Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Mojave]

Here's a link: http://www.local6.com/news/16906125/detail.html

I'm not sure if we're allowed to post the text from links but: This two year-old girl has been missing for over a month but her mother has just now reported it (at the urging of her parents).

Apparently, the mother is also a known pathalogical liar who has come up with a string of stories about where her daughter is. All of her stories have turned out to be false. When asked why she waited so long to report this, she claimed that she wanted to run her own investigation.

This poor little girl. I wonder what the chances are that she could still be alive.

[SaraSidle]

Here's a link: http://www.local6.com/news/16906125/detail.html

I'm not sure if we're allowed to post the text from links but: This two year-old girl has been missing for over a month but her mother has just now reported it (at the urging of her parents).

Apparently, the mother is also a known pathalogical liar who has come up with a string of stories about where her daughter is. All of her stories have turned out to be false. When asked why she waited so long to report this, she claimed that she wanted to run her own investigation.

This poor little girl. I wonder what the chances are that she could still be alive.


I wish Mom was forced to tell the truth in some way. I am very worrked about the girl. IMO

[Mojave]

I should edit this. Casey is apparently the name of the mother. The missing girl is Caylee.

[One2Snoop]

Mojave you'll have to ask admin Deepwater to change it.

What a bizarre story - I'm with you Sara I wish they could somehow make her tell where Caylee is.

[SaraSidle]

Well I would love to know what mom is hiding.
Where is her daughter?
Is her daughter alive?
Is mom keeping daughter from Grandma?
Where is daughters father?
And his family?
Why did mom leave her car abandoned?
Why did she borrow neighbors shovel?
IMO

[SaraSidle]

Well I would love to know what mom is hiding.
Where is her daughter?
Is her daughter alive?
Is mom keeping daughter from Grandma?
Where is daughters father?
And his family?
Why did mom leave her car abandoned?
Why did she borrow neighbors shovel?
IMO

I also do not think Grandmas is being very honest. IMO

[SaraSidle]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/22/missing.florida.girl.ap/index.html

well now they think Mom did it so they made her bail more than she can afford. Found Caylee's hair in her trunk of her abandoned car and the car smells like decomposition. IMO

[Karin]

Well I would love to know what mom is hiding.
Where is her daughter?
Is her daughter alive?
Is mom keeping daughter from Grandma?
Where is daughters father?
And his family?
Why did mom leave her car abandoned?
Why did she borrow neighbors shovel?
IMO

This mother is acting so strange. She is definitely hiding something. I can't imagine what is going on, but I am afraid of what we are going to find out. What a precious little girl! I hope this has a good ending.....

[Livia]

I too am extremely concerned about this little girl. She is such an innocent little thing--just look at that lovely little face, it makes me sick to think that something bad could have happened to her! :(

I admit I'm not privy to all the facts of the case (I guess none of us are!), but it does seem very, very suspicious to me. How could a mother not report her child missing for so long? Also people who know the mom have called her a "pathological liar". No, that doesn't make a person a child abuser, much less a killer--then again, it hardly makes them "mother of the year", either! It also makes searching for this little girl that much harder, when even the mom won't cooperate with the authorities!

I admit I'm kind of leery of the grandmother, too. I saw her on Greta van Susteren's show the other night, and she seemed very unwilling to answer direct questions. She said it's because she's so exhausted and overwhelmed, etc, and while that might be true, it still seemed kind of odd to me. Nancy Grace seemed to feel that the grandmother was pretty evasive when she was a guest on her show, too. I know none of this proves anything, but still....:confused:

And that business about the shovel, added to the cadaver dog's alerting to the trunk of the abandoned car (WHY was it abandoned?!), and finding hairs in the trunk that seem consistent with Caylee's...it all just makes me very, very uneasy. The grandmother even suggested that the dog might have been reacting to an old pizza stored in the trunk!!! :eek: Nancy Grace (I think it was Grace) asked an expert about that, and they said no, cadaver dogs are trained to alert only to the scent of human decomposition, not to spoiled food or anything else. So much for that "theory", I guess! :mad:

I am just so scared for this little girl. I hope and pray I am wrong, but I am so afraid that something terrible has happened to her. I just hope I'm wrong!!

For beautiful little Caylee: :rose: :rose: :rose:

[alisa31235]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/22/missing.florida.girl.ap/index.html

well now they think Mom did it so they made her bail more than she can afford. Found Caylee's hair in her trunk of her abandoned car and the car smells like decomposition. IMO


i bet the family did not know of the evidence the prosecuter had about the dogs,hair and what appeared to be blood in the car imo

[SaraSidle]

i bet the family did not know of the evidence the prosecuter had about the dogs,hair and what appeared to be blood in the car imo

I am quite sure if she is a POI that maybe she abandoned that car for that reason..IMO

[m2kfl]

As of now Casey has not bailed out. The parents need to raise $50,000 in order to purchase the $500,000 bond. The family finances are tight so it will take everything they have to pull this off.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

As of now Casey has not bailed out. The parents need to raise $50,000 in order to purchase the $500,000 bond. The family finances are tight so it will take everything they have to pull this off.

MURT

and there may not be enough for her defense when there is a trial. IMO

[m2kfl]

and there may not be enough for her defense when there is a trial. IMOIf Casey is tried for the current charges, the bail would not increase.

If she is tried for a capitol offence (murder) bail would be unlikely.

MURT

[m2kfl]

The florida prosecuter now says that Caylee may have been murdered. This is a more direct accusation against Casey.

Casey is still in custody. OCSO is still investigating with the possability that Caylee is still alive.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

The florida prosecuter now says that Caylee may have been murdered. This is a more direct accusation against Casey.

Casey is still in custody. OCSO is still investigating with the possability that Caylee is still alive.

MURT

Well either way for whatever charges she could end up with a pro bono lawyer who wants the publicity. IMO

[penguinlady]

So sad, reminds me of poor Trenton. From the mom that "lies" to an alleged sighting at the airport.

Poor Caylee :rose:

K!

(I have been away a long time)

[Notknowingall]

It pains me to think that the only way this is going to get solved is that LE gets "lucky" and finds the forensics to prove that Caylee was murdered. I doubt they will get anything worthwhile from Casey on this and the family seems to be about as evasive as she is.

Sad to say that unless some evidence is found soon she may walk relatively soon. Anyone know what the maximum is for the neglect charge? They may get her with lying to LE as well but not sure what time (if any) is associated with that. At worst i woul dthink she would only do a couple of years based on what evidence is there so far. IMO

[SaraSidle]

It pains me to think that the only way this is going to get solved is that LE gets "lucky" and finds the forensics to prove that Caylee was murdered. I doubt they will get anything worthwhile from Casey on this and the family seems to be about as evasive as she is.

Sad to say that unless some evidence is found soon she may walk relatively soon. Anyone know what the maximum is for the neglect charge? They may get her with lying to LE as well but not sure what time (if any) is associated with that. At worst i woul dthink she would only do a couple of years based on what evidence is there so far. IMO

I totally agree Not. It is very sad and scarey. IMO

[m2kfl]

As of this moment Casey is still in custody. It is highly unlikely that the parents will be able to make bail. They do not have enough collateral.

In order to procure the bond, they will need $50.k cash. This would be from taking out a loan against the house. There would be no equity left to put toward the bond.

The benifits that Cindy would get from her employer would be nowhere near the $450,000 in liquid assets they would have to provide to the bondsman as collateral.

No bondsman gives a bond without having some kind of collateral.
If Casey were to skip out on the bond, the bondsman has to pay the court the $500k.

If that happined the bondsman not only would have to try and recover his loss, but probably have to hire a bounty hunter to track her down.
Bounty hunters are not cheap.

I doubt that Casey is going anywhere anytime soon unless her lawyer can get the bond reduced which will still take time.

MURT

[m2kfl]

The lawyer has stated that there will be no appeal of the bail amount if the Anthony's are able to obtain it at it's current level.

There is now a recording that is going out by a computer generated autodialer made by the grandfather that was made through The Never Lose Hope Foundation.

There is a lot of bickering going on between law enforcement, the lawyer and the family.

Law enforcement is asking the public to call THEM and not the family.

The reason for this is that the airplane tip went to the family who revealed the tip on the air before law enforcement heard of it.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

The lawyer has stated that there will be no appeal of the bail amount if the Anthony's are able to obtain it at it's current level.

There is now a recording that is going out by a computer generated autodialer made by the grandfather that was made through The Never Lose Hope Foundation.

There is a lot of bickering going on between law enforcement, the lawyer and the family.

Law enforcement is asking the public to call THEM and not the family.

The reason for this is that the airplane tip went to the family who revealed the tip on the air before law enforcement heard of it.

MURT

I wondered about that tip. Good for LE. They will argue with Casey and she will argue. what a mess imo

[CVT6702]

Its my opinion from my Psychic Information that Caylee has been killed by someone.
I meditated on this and a little brown haired girl with bangs came in to me from the Spirit World holding the hand of a Guide who looked like a Grandfather who no doubt is with her in the Spirit World.

[m2kfl]

Acording to noon news reports, it has been reported that the Anthony's had a concrete slab poured in their back yard over the july 4th holiday.

I did not hear if Law enforcement will conduct a new search.
Casey is still in custody. Law enforcement has a sketch artist working with the witness who claims to have seen a girl resembling Calyee boarding a flight to Atlanta.

MURT

[m2kfl]

Well, this figgures with the local coverage:

Apparently the concrete slab thing is a rumor.

OCSO states that there is no new concrete slab.

I guess we will have to see where this goes.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

Well, this figgures with the local coverage:

Apparently the concrete slab thing is a rumor.

OCSO states that there is no new concrete slab.

I guess we will have to see where this goes.

MURT

Well of course Most of the case is lies and rumors. Wonderful!!!IMO

[Karin]

Acording to noon news reports, it has been reported that the Anthony's had a concrete slab poured in their back yard over the july 4th holiday.

I did not hear if Law enforcement will conduct a new search.
Casey is still in custody. Law enforcement has a sketch artist working with the witness who claims to have seen a girl resembling Calyee boarding a flight to Atlanta.

MURT

That sorta implies that maybe the grandparents could have been in on the cover up of a murder.....I'm sure that if there was a new concrete slab that the police will eventually have to tear it apart. This case is so depressing.

I live in Atlanta and while I was out at the mall today I found myself looking for Caylee. How crazy is that?

[SaraSidle]

Karin I think it is wonderful you were looking for Caylee. I would have done the same thing. Did you see Nancy Grace tonight? THey played the 911 tape Cindy and Casey made. Then Cindy calls back to say they found the car Casey was drivng and it smelled like a dead body. I saw her in another interview on TV on a Nancy Grace show saying the reason why the cadaver dogs went to the car was because there had been a pizza in the truck for many days. what a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[Karin]

Karin I think it is wonderful you were looking for Caylee. I would have done the same thing. Did you see Nancy Grace tonight? THey played the 911 tape Cindy and Casey made. Then Cindy calls back to say they found the car Casey was drivng and it smelled like a dead body. I saw her in another interview on TV on a Nancy Grace show saying the reason why the cadaver dogs went to the car was because there had been a pizza in the truck for many days. what a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

I did hear the 911 tape on Greta Van Susterns show just a while ago and it was very distrubing. I also heard Dr. Boden, the forensic pathologist say that cadaver dogs don't confuse the smell of pizza with the smell of death. He said that even humans who have smelled decaying bodies, never forget that smell. This is very disturbing! That makes me think that there was something going on in that car that is unmistakeable. I just pray that everyones suspisions are wrong and that little Caylee will be found alive.

[SaraSidle]

I do too Karin and if by the Grace of God she is alive I hope she is not given back to this family. In my mind I do not think they are stable enough. Dr. Baden is right. I used to work in a morgue and every day I had to go in there the smell would permeate my clothes and everything. I kept my uniforms at work to be cleaned and went directly home to shower. Even now when I walk past a morgue in another hospital I can smell it before I know what it is. Very strong distinct disgusting smell. IMO

[INGASON14]

It pains me to think that the only way this is going to get solved is that LE gets "lucky" and finds the forensics to prove that Caylee was murdered. I doubt they will get anything worthwhile from Casey on this and the family seems to be about as evasive as she is.

Sad to say that unless some evidence is found soon she may walk relatively soon. Anyone know what the maximum is for the neglect charge? They may get her with lying to LE as well but not sure what time (if any) is associated with that. At worst i woul dthink she would only do a couple of years based on what evidence is there so far. IMO

There was a case here where I live that the foster parents got 25 years for child neglect for starving a 10 year old girl. She only weighed about 40 pounds when she was finally rescued. She is with another family and thriving.

[SaraSidle]

There was a case here where I live that the foster parents got 25 years for child neglect for starving a 10 year old girl. She only weighed about 40 pounds when she was finally rescued. She is with another family and thriving.

That is great that she is striving Inga. Sometimes I hope this is just a big ploy played by Casey to keep Caylee from Cindy. I can see from the tv shows that she can be a little controlling I think and Casey is rebelling.
she stole Cindy's car
she left Cindy for a month and did not tell her where
she stole Cindy's credit cards and went on a shopping spree. IMO

[m2kfl]

I have just come from the Anthony residence where a press conference was held this evening. Starting at 10:00 p.m. eastern, the local press will start airing the contents. As best as I remember this was what was said by Casey's brother who conducted the press conference:

1: Casey got the impression that the parents and family were against her due to the press coverage. She has been watching tv in jail and has seen the coverage regarding Caylee and her refusal to reveal where she is or her status.

2: Casey's brother stated that Casey maintains that Caylee is in the custody of a "nanny" and that she feels that Caylee is alive and well.

3: At noon tomorrow the famiy will meet with a bailbondsman to negotiate a lower up front fee as well as collateral requirements that should make it easier to get Casey out of custody if they are able to come to an agreement.

4: I maintain a photobucket site. As soon as I am able to upload the photos I took while I was there, I will post the link. Photos will include The Amscot where the car was dropped off, the press conference, photos of the residence and photos of Cindy, George and her son just after the conference ended.

MURT

[m2kfl]

My Photobucket account is now up and running. Excuse the bad photos as I uploaded them in a hurry.


http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYCEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/


This is a sample photo. This was Cindy and her son walking into their house after I spoke to them.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYCEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/Motherandson.jpg

MURT

[SaraSidle]

Murt thank you so much for the pictures!!!!!

[kathmandu]

A child is missing and the mother and Grandmother appear to be suffering from an inability to tell anything with clarity or accuracy. As a matter of fact, the judge who set bail for Casey said that Casey and the truth are "strangers." The same can be said for Grandma Cindy and the truth, imo.

It appears as though the Grandmother, Cindy Anthony,has told numerous versions of stories, appearing to mislead investigators in this case. The various stories contradict each other and something is definitely off with grandma. She appears controlling and rude.

If she really wanted to help find Caylee, she'd come off her high horse and realize she is no better than her lying daughter, who happens to be sitting in jail with $500,000 bond.

The following is from Nancy Grace:
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MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST:
Tell you what, Nancy. She has -- she has she`s given a number of stories to both you, to "Headline Prime" news, to all different people. You know, it doesn`t add up. Her daughter`s not being truthful. You know, the other day, when I was on "Prime News," she was talking about another person that knows where she is. You know, she`s making up so many stories.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html

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Also, I'm not sure if others have heard this or not, but I read in a newspaper article today that the grandmother said Casey and the child, Caylee, lived with her in her home. Where was the nanny employed?
And if they did live in Grandma Cindy's home, why is nobody asking GRANDMA why she didn't notice stolen credit cards for a month? Why didn't she notice her car was stolen for a month?
The following is also from Nancy Grace:

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snipped from same link:

Stunning 911 call released where the grandmother tells police Caylee`s mom stole both money and a car and tells police that the car now smells like a dead body.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html)

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Also, did anyone catch the part where Casey was conducting her own investigation to find her daughter, for a MONTH?

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From 911 tapes released:
CYNTHIA ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html)


GRACE: Well, you know, repeatedly -- out to you, Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Repeatedly, Casey`s mother, the grandmother, keeps telling me that there was nothing wrong, that she was in touch with her daughter throughout those five months (SIC), that she was just out bonding with her daughter. But that night 911 call reveals a completely different story.
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And consider THIS ----> IF Grandma really did speak to Casey during the month Caylee was missing, this means Casey was out in Grandma's car with Grandma's money looking for Caylee? But Grandma pretends not to have known Caylee was missing? Ok. Just like she pretended not to know her car and credit cards were gone? Ok. She's an idiot for thinking anybody is going to buy this crock of bull.

And as if things weren't weird enough, miraculously, Grandma just happens to do her own investigating and happens to find her own stolen car with a dead body smell in it? (unless I misunderstood something?)

Oh, Grandma, what big LIES you tell!
(The better to CONTROL you with, my dear!)

IMO, somebody should squeeze Granny 'till she coughs up the truth!
Maybe Casey is afraid of her own mother? Maybe the person threatening Casey is none other than mommy dearest?

This mother/daughter tag-team (Cindy/Casey) obviously have a disrespect for the law and for Caylee by impeding this investigation.

Here's more confusing info given to 911 operator regarding the car that was stolen. Was it Casey's car or Grandma Cindy's car? Take a look at this from the 911 call:

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911 OPERATOR: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, my mom did.

911 OPERATOR: OK. So is it a vehicle stolen, too?

CASEY ANTHONY: No, this was my vehicle.

911 OPERATOR: What vehicle was stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: It`s a `98 Pontiac Sunfire.

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What kind of double talk is this? Operator asks if a vehicle is stolen too and Casey says NO. Then operator asks what vehicle was stolen, and she tells her! This girl has serious problems.

And is Caylee's daddy really dead?

Grandma Cindy was evasive when asked about the child's father, saying she had never met him, never spoken to him, then saying he was dead?
I'm hard pressed to believe anything she says at this point, but I wonder if Casey even knows who her baby daddy is?



I pray they find baby Caylee alive, but by all appearances, this one is not going to turn out very well unfortunately. I could be wrong, but I just don't feel this child is still alive.

:rose:

[m2kfl]

The car is registered to the mother. Casey has been allowed to have it as her own. From what I gathered, the mother used the auto theft allagation as well as the $700.00 theft as a basis for having her arrested.

While the actions of Cindy have been highly questionable, it is needed to be remembered that it was CINDY who brought Caylee to the attention of authoritys. I beleive, for now, that Cindy was unaware that Caylee was missing even though she had been trying to get Casey to let her speak to or see Caylee. After 30 days of trying to deal with Casey, Cindy had enough and decided getting Casey into custody was the best way to get her to tell where Caylee was or what happined to her.

After Casey's arrest, Lee probably intervened stating that if he had been able to get Casey alone and calmed down, that he might have been able to get her to reveal what Caylee's status was.

He seems to be right. I believe that if Lee is allowed to be alone with Casey, he might find out what we all want to know...Where is Caylee?

JMO

MURT

[kathmandu]

I think Cindy Anthony knows where Caylee is and what happened to her.
Here's why:

Cindy Anthony (Grandmother of missing toddler) claims her own daughter, Casey, 22yrs old, was missing for a month and she was looking for her, but she didn't report her missing. (Fact)

And as bizarre as it is, Casey Anthony claims her own daughter, Caylee, has been missing for a month and she has been looking for her, but she didn't report her missing either! (Fact)
Wow, talk about " like mother, like daughter!"

If Casey was truly missing to the point that Cindy Anthony was really out searching for her, she should have been reported within 24 hours of not being able to find her. But that didn't happen. Was Cindy really concerned about Casey for a month? Doesn't sound like it or a missing persons report would have been made.

And equally so, Casey wasn't really concerned about her daughter Caylee for a whole month because she didn't report her missing either!
Uncanny, isn't it?

Then, Cindy Anthony calls 911 on July 15 to report a stolen car, except the car was no longer stolen......because Cindy Anthony had already found it and had it towed. (Fact)

(Another bizarre twist is that ironically, Cindy Anthony was looking for her daughter and her "stolen car" for a month and found them both on the same day.)

Cindy Anthony calmly tells the 911 operator that she is reporting a stolen car and money and wants police to arrest her daughter for this. (Fact)

She NEVER SAYS THAT SHE WANTS CASEY ARRESTED BECAUSE CASEY WON'T TELL HER WHERE HER GRANDCHILD IS AND SHE IS WORRIED THAT CAYLEE IS IN DANGER. (Fact)

She does just happen to mention calmly that Caylee is not with her, but there is NO emphasis on Caylee's lack of presence at that time, nor does Cindy Anthony say anything about a dead body smell in the car she had already located and had towed. (Fact)

If she had already located it herself and had it towed, where was it towed? (a) to her home? OR (b) to a towing yard full of other cars?

If it was towed to her home, had she not already looked in the car or opened the car? It's understandable if she didn't open it, but it's important to know where the car went.

Here's why:

Cindy Anthony made her 2nd call to 911 about an hour later, crying, and claimed her daughter told her that she hadn't seen Caylee in a month. (31 days to be exact.)

This 2nd call to 911 was to report her missing grandchild. It's during this phone call that the repeats the information about finding the car that day, but this time, she adds some very interesting information.....

Quote from Cindy Anthony on July 15, 2008 to 911 Operator:

"There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony told the dispatcher. "I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."

So, she had ONE HOUR between the 1st 911 call and the 2nd 911 call.

At what point did she smell the dead body smell?

Was it when she found the car and had it towed earlier that day, or
was it between call #1 and call #2?

If there was a dead body smell in the car when she found it, it seems like she would have already pressed Casey to explain it and when Casey couldn't explain the smell and couldn't produce Caylee, it seems like THAT should have been the 1st and only 911 call!

There appears to be a lot more going on here than meets the eye.

I hate to see Casey released from jail, for her own safety.
I really think she would be safer to stay in jail under a very close suicide watch. We all are fearful for little Caylee, but I'm equally fearful that this mother will die before we get any answers out of anyone. In a similiar case, Trenton Duckett still has not been located and his mother died of suicide before giving any information on his whereabouts.

This mother needs to stay in jail.

Cindy Anthony said earlier this week that Casey knows who has Caylee but doesn't know where she is. So, she needs to tell investigators the truth, let them find Caylee and THEN she can be released, but she should be held until the baby is located.

In my honest opinion.

[kathmandu]

http://www.wftv.com/video/16989413/index.html

This is a link to a phone call made from Casey Anthony (in jail) to her mother's home. She speaks with her mom, her brother and then her friend.
It appears her reason for calling is to get her boyfriend's phone number from her brother. When questioned, she maintains she does not know where Caylee is, but still claims she was last seen with the woman she calls her nanny. It's interesting.

[SaraSidle]

I truly believe Cindy is not innocent in this by any means. imo

[Karin]

Maybe I am just nieve, but is it possible that Cindy is just freaking out because she is afraid of what Casey has done with Caylee?
It sounds like she hasn't had much control over Casey and spent some time trying to figure out where she was. Maybe she thought that Casey was messing around with drugs or something, but didn't suspect that she would do harm to Caylee. She knew Casey took the car and money, but she wasn't going to report it because she wanted to keep it a family affair. She may not have thought Casey was capable of harming Caylee.........I don't know. I just hate to think that Grandma was involved with any malice with her own grandchild. That just does not compute!
In some way I think she sounds so crazy because she wants to protect her daughter, but on the other hand, she wants to know what happened to her granddaughter..........Somebody help me with this, cuz it is just to much to absorb

[kathmandu]

Casey Anthony says Caylee's father was killed in a traffic accident one year ago. (She refuses to give his name.)

Either his last name was Anthony, or he didn't claim Caylee by giving her his last name.

From my findings, there is no evidence to show Casey went to a funeral, or shared such information with anyone regarding the father of her child being killed.

Also, if this alleged dead father of Caylee only passed away one year ago, this would mean he may have been in Caylee's life in some capacity? If so, where is his family in all of this? If his family is not aware that Caylee exists, why not?

Was the father of Caylee at her birth? Seems like if he WAS, Cindy would have met him there, but.....

Cindy Anthony, when first asked in an interview about Caylee's father, she responded:
"I've never met him."

Then, upon further inquiry, she responded:
"I've never spoken to him."

Then, upon being asked something further to clear up the confusion, she seemed to give an answer that would stop all questions. She responded:
"He's dead."

So why didn't she say he was dead to begin with? Why not simply respond that unfortunately he was killed in a traffic accident one year ago?

Is there some reason she is evasive about the father of the child? I wonder if Casey really knows who the father is, or perhaps she was a victim of a crime which resulted in pregnancy?

If there is a man out there who believes he may be Caylee's father, I wonder how he feels to watch the news coverage?

Also, speaking of being evasive, in the first call to Orange County Sheriff's Department, Cindy Anthony calmly asks where she should bring someone in that she has sitting in her car with her.

The deputy asks what she is bringing someone in for and she says something like "theft."

There is some confusion for about 2 minutes regarding which department/precinct she should go to.

Cindy Anthony is asked WHERE THE CRIME TOOK PLACE and she says: she stole a car and money. (She didn't answer the question.)

The deputy then spends more time than necessary to get her to tell him WHERE this happened. She said : we live in Orlando. (Duhh--she's calling Orange County Sheriff's Dept....but still doesn't tell him WHERE.

He tells her he needs a physical address. Cindy Anthony then replies:
Well that would be my residence, I guess.

What is the problem with Cindy Anthony saying where the car and money were stolen, if that was true? According to m2kfl in a post above, the car was registered to Cindy Anthony, but she allowed Casey to use it. Casey even tells the 911 dispatcher that the car is hers.

If the car was really stolen, Cindy should have made a police report when she first believed it to be stolen. She never reported it stolen while it was alleged to be GONE from her home. She only reported it stolen once it was BACK in her control? Makes NO SENSE to report something stolen if you already have it back!

And, another thing that Cindy Anthony may not realize is that
if she was really looking for Casey for a month, she didn't try too hard because even I can find some things that show she was in contact with others, including friends on June 12, apparently planned to attend a hip-hop party on June 13th with friends, communicated with her own brother on June 23rd, an ex-boyfriend, who is a police officer on June 24th, and on June 25th, she asked someone to come drink with her at a club in Orlando.


Oh, and as if this weren't bad enough...If Casey truly had not seen her daughter in 31 days, (counting back from July 15th, the day that the report is made) that really really really looks bad for Cindy Anthony, considering she had Caylee with HER on June 15th, which was Father's Day.

If Casey had not seen her in 31 days, this means she last saw her daughter on Saturday, June 14th......the day before Grandma Cindy took her on a trip to see Great-Grandpa for Father's Day.

I wonder which car Grandma drove to take Caylee on this trip?

(And by the way, the ex-boyfriend of Casey's who is reported to be a police officer, claims to have spoken with Casey on the 24th and says he thinks he recalls hearing Caylee in the background, but honestly,imo, unless he SAW Caylee, he may have only heard the TV.)

If Grandma did something with Caylee, this would explain why Casey has such an obvious resentment for her mother, clearly evident in her first words of her mouth to her mother by phone after being arrested, which were: "I just saw your nice little cameo on TV."

Cindy replies, "which one?"

Neither one of them are acting as grief stricken family members of a missing child and it's a disgrace to those who have lost children and desperately want them found and have spent hours speaking to police and cooperating with every hope in the world of helping to find their child.


:rose:

[kathmandu]

I wanted to add something about the possible bio father of Caylee being deceased, as reported by Cindy Anthony.

It is possible he was the young hispanic man referred to as Jesse, a former boyfriend of Casey's. This young man did pass away in mid 2007.

[INGASON14]

I have been following this case and in my opinion, mom and grandma are hiding something. I have raised 5 children and I have 6 grandbabies and let me say that if I don't see or hear from my kids on a weekly basis, I am on the phone with them. My daughter and granddaughter live with me and I would go out of my mind even one day of not seeing my NaNa (Natalia). Hubby and I went away for the weekend and I was going nuts could not wait to see her and when we got home she crawled out to greet us.

Point is as a parent I am still very involved in kids lives but not to the point of being controlling just concerned. I talk and try to see them once a week even if 5 minutes just to make sure all is well.

Grandma I think needs to be in a cell like daughter. In my opinion alot of things make no sense, the lies, the initial reason for arrest, and the attitude of all parties concerned.

***This is my opinion::(

[SaraSidle]

I have been following this case and in my opinion, mom and grandma are hiding something. I have raised 5 children and I have 6 grandbabies and let me say that if I don't see or hear from my kids on a weekly basis, I am on the phone with them. My daughter and granddaughter live with me and I would go out of my mind even one day of not seeing my NaNa (Natalia). Hubby and I went away for the weekend and I was going nuts could not wait to see her and when we got home she crawled out to greet us.

Point is as a parent I am still very involved in kids lives but not to the point of being controlling just concerned. I talk and try to see them once a week even if 5 minutes just to make sure all is well.

Grandma I think needs to be in a cell like daughter. In my opinion alot of things make no sense, the lies, the initial reason for arrest, and the attitude of all parties concerned.

***This is my opinion::(

great post Inga. I totally agree with you. Whole thing is hinky. IMO

[SaraSidle]

I wanted to add something about the possible bio father of Caylee being deceased, as reported by Cindy Anthony.

It is possible he was the young hispanic man referred to as Jesse, a former boyfriend of Casey's. This young man did pass away in mid 2007.

I sure wish there was more information Kath. This missing part is strange. It is strange we do not know more about him. imo

[INGASON14]

I had to flip thru the channels when listening to the tapes from prison between Casey, her mom and Christina. Casey could care less about her daughter. Mom (Cindy) had some concern but in my opinion not enough. I would have been on my daughter like a pig in slop. I would have continued to ask her where her daughter was and been relentless. My grandbabies are so precious to me that I would give my life to make sure they stay safe. As a mother I am having a hard time handling Casey's attitude.


***This is my opinion

[kathmandu]

I sure wish there was more information Kath. This missing part is strange. It is strange we do not know more about him. imo

For the record, I have no solid info that this person is the bio father of the child, only the information regarding an accident and it is likely he is the one Cindy Anthony is speaking of when she says Caylee's father is dead. (Casey may have told her the father is dead, and we all know how reliable Casey's info has been up to this point.)

It is my understanding that the name of the man suspected of being the one referred to by Anthony is alleged to be a young man by the name of Jesus E. Ortiz. (No proof of this being the bio father -this is only assumed at this time.)

(It's hispanic, so it's pronounced this way: Hay-suz)

He was 21 years old and lived in Orlando. The accident took place in May of 2007, I believe.

Some friends called him Jesus "Escobar."

From the information I have, there was a female passenger in the car with him, but as you know, many things are coming in on this case and some things could easily require an update on a daily basis.

At this time, I'm still trying to learn more about the family of this deceased young man and if I can determine anything helpful or interesting, I will post.

It's also very interesting to note that when Casey Anthony originally created the myspace page for Caylee a long time ago, she chose this url address to identify her page:
www.myspace.com/kayleeomaree (http://www.myspace.com/kayleeomaree)


Notice the initial O. between the name.

[kathmandu]

Cindy Anthony gives public statement tonight on Fox News:
She says police haven't spoken to them since last Monday when they told the family they were going to testify against Casey Anthony.
She says they haven't spoken to them since.

She says that until the Sheriff's Dept. comes out and does something, it feels like they are doing nothing.

She says police didn't want receipts or to go through any personal belongings of Casey Anthony removed from the apartment she had moved to with her friend.

And shockingly, she sends message to investigators: "It's too late guys, I've already put it away." She says she doesn't have those receipts anymore, but then she says she'll give them to a private investigator who is willing to help them.

Again, come on Cindy....either you have them or you don't.

She threatens the people who are harasing her son and calls for the firing of people responsible for certain actions she calls harassment.

Also, Casey Anthony speaks to her brother in a recorded call regarding any proof she may have on her phone about this nanny. Casey says she lost the phone and last had it when she was visiting friends at Universal.

Her brother asks Casey if she remembers anything about the phone number the Zenaida Gonazalez may have called from and she says she thinks it started with 954, which is Ft. Lauderdale area according to her. She says she knows this because her friend Amy also calls with a number from that area. She also thinks she may have rec'd calls from a 321 area code.

[Karin]

For the record, I have no solid info that this person is the bio father of the child, only the information regarding an accident and it is likely he is the one Cindy Anthony is speaking of when she says Caylee's father is dead. (Casey may have told her the father is dead, and we all know how reliable Casey's info has been up to this point.)

It is my understanding that the name of the man suspected of being the one referred to by Anthony is alleged to be a young man by the name of Jesus E. Ortiz. (No proof of this being the bio father -this is only assumed at this time.)

(It's hispanic, so it's pronounced this way: Hay-suz)

He was 21 years old and lived in Orlando. The accident took place in May of 2007, I believe.

Some friends called him Jesus "Escobar."

From the information I have, there was a female passenger in the car with him, but as you know, many things are coming in on this case and some things could easily require an update on a daily basis.

At this time, I'm still trying to learn more about the family of this deceased young man and if I can determine anything helpful or interesting, I will post.

It's also very interesting to note that when Casey Anthony originally created the myspace page for Caylee a long time ago, she chose this url address to identify her page:
www.myspace.com/kayleeomaree (http://www.myspace.com/kayleeomaree)


Notice the initial O. between the name.

Does Caylee look hispanic?

[Karin]

Cindy Anthony gives public statement tonight on Fox News:
She says police haven't spoken to them since last Monday when they told the family they were going to testify against Casey Anthony.
She says they haven't spoken to them since.

She says that until the Sheriff's Dept. comes out and does something, it feels like they are doing nothing.

She says police didn't want receipts or to go through any personal belongings of Casey Anthony removed from the apartment she had moved to with her friend.

And shockingly, she sends message to investigators: "It's too late guys, I've already put it away." She says she doesn't have those receipts anymore, but then she says she'll give them to a private investigator who is willing to help them.

Again, come on Cindy....either you have them or you don't.

She threatens the people who are harasing her son and calls for the firing of people responsible for certain actions she calls harassment.

Also, Casey Anthony speaks to her brother in a recorded call regarding any proof she may have on her phone about this nanny. Casey says she lost the phone and last had it when she was visiting friends at Universal.

Her brother asks Casey if she remembers anything about the phone number the Zenaida Gonazalez may have called from and she says she thinks it started with 954, which is Ft. Lauderdale area according to her. She says she knows this because her friend Amy also calls with a number from that area. She also thinks she may have rec'd calls from a 321 area code.

I just saw that too, very bizarre!

[SaraSidle]

that family is so conspiring that it will get them confused to the point where one of them tells the truth. wishful thinking IMO

[kathmandu]

Does Caylee look hispanic?
No, she really doesn't. She appears 100% caucasion and nothing about her appearance hints to any other race. I will add that appearance alone is not always reliable. A lot of men deny being the father of a child based on the idea that the child doesn't look anything like them or anybody in their family, but many DNA tests have proven them wrong.

The paternity of Caylee is truly unknown to me and really makes me nervous because this is such a personal thing for the public to discuss, however, the child is missing and any possibility of where she may be is wide open for discussion.

If the father is dead, she really could be with his family if they had watched Casey and felt she was not being the best mother.

If the father is not dead and the family won't name him, that's fine to keep out of the public, but police need to know so they can find him and see if he has her. Telling them he's dead if he's not would not be helpful in finding Caylee.

[SaraSidle]

No, she really doesn't. She appears 100% caucasion and nothing about her appearance hints to any other race. I will add that appearance alone is not always reliable. A lot of men deny being the father of a child based on the idea that the child doesn't look anything like them or anybody in their family, but many DNA tests have proven them wrong.

The paternity of Caylee is truly unknown to me and really makes me nervous because this is such a personal thing for the public to discuss, however, the child is missing and any possibility of where she may be is wide open for discussion.

If the father is dead, she really could be with his family if they had watched Casey and felt she was not being the best mother.

If the father is not dead and the family won't name him, that's fine to keep out of the public, but police need to know so they can find him and see if he has her. Telling them he's dead if he's not would not be helpful in finding Caylee.

ITA Kath

[grneyes]

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that this little girl will not be found. :-(

[INGASON14]

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that this little girl will not be found. :-(

I agree and it is so sad. My heart goes out to this child. I feel that the daughter needs to be honest and deal with whatever happens. She needs to cooperate and find this child or tell where the body is for closure.


***This is my opinion

[SaraSidle]

I am impressed with her brother Lee. On the taped conversations it sounds like he is really trying to help Casey and Caylee. I am glad we can still hear the tapes. Someone may hear something that will help. Otherwise LE would probably not tell us a thing. IMO

[rph3664]

So sad, reminds me of poor Trenton. From the mom that "lies" to an alleged sighting at the airport.

Poor Caylee :rose:

K!

(I have been away a long time)

I just hope this isn't another Trenton where the mother commits suicide and takes her secrets to the grave.

:rose:

[penguinlady]

I just hope this isn't another Trenton where the mother commits suicide and takes her secrets to the grave.

:rose:

That is exactly why I hope they don't reduce her bail. I am afraid that is what will happen. Especially now after the photos of her out at the club partying have come out. I hope Caylee is safe, but I know that if MY child had been "kidnapped" I wouldn't be able to be out at a club. :no:

Karyn

[The R]

if there ever was a clear cut case for using the waterboard for interrogations this would be it IMO. Go ahead Sheriff, you won't hear any complaints from me.

ALLMO,
R

[iluvmua]

Video of Caylee's Father Jesse talking to Reporter about Arrest of Casey:

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914802/index.html

Seems like ANOTHER lie our of Casey's mouth

[penguinlady]

Video of Caylee's Father Jesse talking to Reporter about Arrest of Casey:

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914802/index.html

Seems like ANOTHER lie our of Casey's mouth



That didn't say that he was Caylee's father. Just that he is Casey's former fiance.


JMO

K!

[rph3664]

Does Caylee look hispanic?

Not all Hispanics have dark skin, hair, and eyes. Puerto Ricans are often classified as Hispanic, and some of them are blonde.

[SaraSidle]

Where are all her night club friends? can they visit the Jail? Have they seen Caylee in the last month?

[kathmandu]

I agree that it's not 100% reliable to use appearance alone to determine whether someone has a parent that may be hispanic, african american, etc.
However, it is my opinion that hispanic genes are very strong and generally, there is something visible. I dont' see anything hispanic at all about Caylee. Although Cindy Anthony states Caylee's father is dead, and some suspect the young hispanic man, J**us O**iz, who was killed in a car accident to be Caylee's dad, it's also been reported that Cindy said Jesse Grund is Caylee's dad. We really have no way to know.
(The link in above post shows his interview w/reporter.) The police report gives a little info on Grund, saying he is a friend of Casey's. He called investigators after seeing Caylee's story on the news. Cindy Anthony claims Jesse Grund took Casey to the hospital earlier in the year when she had a seizure. He said Casey is a habitual liar. He also stated that Casey called him on June 25th, trying to cheer him up over his job loss.

(I read that Jesse Grund RESIGNED from Orlando Police Department on June 24th, flew to New York and returned on July 5th. ) If he resigned on the 24th from a job in law enforcement, why? And if he did leave the state, was his trip planned? And how did Casey know about this in order to try to "cheer him up" over his job loss? Had she spoken to him prior, perhaps to ask him WHY he resigned. Seems like you ask WHY before you try to cheer somebody up over it?)

It's still early in this case, but it may be too late for Caylee. Regardless of whether she is dead or alive, she needs to be found.

Right now, I'm looking at the angle the grandparents are involved in the disappearance of Caylee and threatened Casey, telling her what to say, which is why the June 9th date is given by both Cindy and Casey at first, then as proof is found on the videotape of Caylee with Cindy on June 15th, I'm sure sh*t hit the fan, in Cindy's mind. This blew their little story about that date she was last seen with babysitter right outta the water, imo.)

As her own mother's child, Casey is an experienced liar and is quick on her feet with bogus explanations and also very experienced in not answering the question asked of her, instead trying to divert attention to something else. IMO, Cindy Anthony suffers from more than the depression that she admitted this in an interview, and asked if that means she has mental issues?

And, in case Cindy reads here........
(Well, um, Cindy, it can indicate a lot of things and yes, mentally & chemically, people are sometimes unstable in depression. Doesn't mean they kill, but they can. We hear of depressed people being suicidal all the time, but most of the time, these things are kept quiet and unless a depressed person snaps and does something that requires attention, we generally don't hear about it. Many criminals acted out during a time when they were suffering from depression, so yes, after seeing you in the media and getting a feeling of what kind of woman you are, I would say you have mental issues! I'm entitled to my opinion, but I can assure you I'm not alone. Most of America does have you pegged as a bi-polar, depressed, lying, manipulative bit*h and you should be waterboarded right along with your daughter. I really think you convinced Casey to lie for you. I think you kicked her out of the house around June 14th...agreeing to keep Caylee for a month while she figured out what she was going to do with her life. (You gave her a month to figure things out...hence the statement in the car where you told her....."I've given you a month, I'm not giving you one more day." I think you ran a con game on your daughter out of desperation, knowing you were the last person to SEE Caylee ALIVE. I think you may have put Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car at some point and then removed her to set her up. If Casey came to see Caylee at some point during this 31 days, perhaps it was YOU, Grandma Cindy, who refused to allow her to see her, maybe because she was already dead and you couldn't produce her?

And let's not forget about that dead body smell in "the car." How in the world did you smell that smell BEFORE you ever called 911 and fail to mention the dead body smell on the 1st 2 calls you made to them?

If you were given info from Amy on July 15th as to where to find Casey and you located Casey around 7pm on July 15th, and you sat in the car and talked with her, making that 1st call where you asked which precinct you needed to take somebody to if you wanted to bring them in, then you need to tell America what date and what time you smelled the car. You found Casey around 7pm.......you made the 1st call to Orange County shortly after that, but you made the first call to 911 at 8:44pm and then called 911 again at 9:41, which was only 56 minutes later.

Tell me, Cindy Anthony, between 7pm and 9:41pm on the 15th, when did you go to that car and sniff it?

I read that you went and picked the car up from impound on July 16th, so you must have been around that car BEFORE the 16th at some point to smell it, because you told 911 operator the car smelled like a dead body!

Also, when did you find Casey's purse in the car? Wow. That's really interesting to me too.

Oh, and let's not forget that myspace blog you posted on July 3rd.......it was on your myspace and you chose to title the blog.......

caylee is missing

Sure, I realize you say you really didn't know she was missing then, but you also told authorities that you last saw her on June 7th, so how credible is your word at this point?

And to say that the media is to blame if Caylee is not returned to her by her 3rd birthday? Come on, delusional woman! Your daughter is where she is because of the role model you are for her and if Caylee doesn't come home to you by August 9th, don't kid yourself by blaming it on the media. It's typical of your behavior to expect you not to accept responsibility for your own actions. And I'm afraid you taught your daughter to operate in the same way. I can't wait to see you in handcuffs for ruining so many lives with your lies.

And I don't think for one minute Casey posted the Diary of Days....which ends with this:
Everybody lies.....Everybody dies.

You forgot to add the word OR between that threat. It's obvious that Casey followed through because she has passed the lying test with flying colors!

I hope she doesn't get out of jail. I'm worried you will cause her to disappear, too!

Enjoy your freedom because the walls are closing in on you and your problems.

That's all for now. I'm sure as this unfolds, there will be more to say.
:flamemad:

[Karin]

I agree that it's not 100% reliable to use appearance alone to determine whether someone has a parent that may be hispanic, african american, etc.
However, it is my opinion that hispanic genes are very strong and generally, there is something visible. I dont' see anything hispanic at all about Caylee. Although Cindy Anthony states Caylee's father is dead, and some suspect the young hispanic man, J**us O**iz, who was killed in a car accident to be Caylee's dad, it's also been reported that Cindy said Jesse Grund is Caylee's dad. We really have no way to know.
(The link in above post shows his interview w/reporter.) The police report gives a little info on Grund, saying he is a friend of Casey's. He called investigators after seeing Caylee's story on the news. Cindy Anthony claims Jesse Grund took Casey to the hospital earlier in the year when she had a seizure. He said Casey is a habitual liar. He also stated that Casey called him on June 25th, trying to cheer him up over his job loss.

(I read that Jesse Grund RESIGNED from Orlando Police Department on June 24th, flew to New York and returned on July 5th. ) If he resigned on the 24th from a job in law enforcement, why? And if he did leave the state, was his trip planned? And how did Casey know about this in order to try to "cheer him up" over his job loss? Had she spoken to him prior, perhaps to ask him WHY he resigned. Seems like you ask WHY before you try to cheer somebody up over it?)

It's still early in this case, but it may be too late for Caylee. Regardless of whether she is dead or alive, she needs to be found.

Right now, I'm looking at the angle the grandparents are involved in the disappearance of Caylee and threatened Casey, telling her what to say, which is why the June 9th date is given by both Cindy and Casey at first, then as proof is found on the videotape of Caylee with Cindy on June 15th, I'm sure sh*t hit the fan, in Cindy's mind. This blew their little story about that date she was last seen with babysitter right outta the water, imo.)

As her own mother's child, Casey is an experienced liar and is quick on her feet with bogus explanations and also very experienced in not answering the question asked of her, instead trying to divert attention to something else. IMO, Cindy Anthony suffers from more than the depression that she admitted this in an interview, and asked if that means she has mental issues?

And, in case Cindy reads here........
(Well, um, Cindy, it can indicate a lot of things and yes, mentally & chemically, people are sometimes unstable in depression. Doesn't mean they kill, but they can. We hear of depressed people being suicidal all the time, but most of the time, these things are kept quiet and unless a depressed person snaps and does something that requires attention, we generally don't hear about it. Many criminals acted out during a time when they were suffering from depression, so yes, after seeing you in the media and getting a feeling of what kind of woman you are, I would say you have mental issues! I'm entitled to my opinion, but I can assure you I'm not alone. Most of America does have you pegged as a bi-polar, depressed, lying, manipulative bit*h and you should be waterboarded right along with your daughter. I really think you convinced Casey to lie for you. I think you kicked her out of the house around June 14th...agreeing to keep Caylee for a month while she figured out what she was going to do with her life. (You gave her a month to figure things out...hence the statement in the car where you told her....."I've given you a month, I'm not giving you one more day." I think you ran a con game on your daughter out of desperation, knowing you were the last person to SEE Caylee ALIVE. I think you may have put Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car at some point and then removed her to set her up. If Casey came to see Caylee at some point during this 31 days, perhaps it was YOU, Grandma Cindy, who refused to allow her to see her, maybe because she was already dead and you couldn't produce her?

And let's not forget about that dead body smell in "the car." How in the world did you smell that smell BEFORE you ever called 911 and fail to mention the dead body smell on the 1st 2 calls you made to them?

If you were given info from Amy on July 15th as to where to find Casey and you located Casey around 7pm on July 15th, and you sat in the car and talked with her, making that 1st call where you asked which precinct you needed to take somebody to if you wanted to bring them in, then you need to tell America what date and what time you smelled the car. You found Casey around 7pm.......you made the 1st call to Orange County shortly after that, but you made the first call to 911 at 8:44pm and then called 911 again at 9:41, which was only 56 minutes later.

Tell me, Cindy Anthony, between 7pm and 9:41pm on the 15th, when did you go to that car and sniff it?

I read that you went and picked the car up from impound on July 16th, so you must have been around that car BEFORE the 16th at some point to smell it, because you told 911 operator the car smelled like a dead body!

Also, when did you find Casey's purse in the car? Wow. That's really interesting to me too.

Oh, and let's not forget that myspace blog you posted on July 3rd.......it was on your myspace and you chose to title the blog.......

caylee is missing

Sure, I realize you say you really didn't know she was missing then, but you also told authorities that you last saw her on June 7th, so how credible is your word at this point?

And to say that the media is to blame if Caylee is not returned to her by her 3rd birthday? Come on, delusional woman! Your daughter is where she is because of the role model you are for her and if Caylee doesn't come home to you by August 9th, don't kid yourself by blaming it on the media. It's typical of your behavior to expect you not to accept responsibility for your own actions. And I'm afraid you taught your daughter to operate in the same way. I can't wait to see you in handcuffs for ruining so many lives with your lies.

And I don't think for one minute Casey posted the Diary of Days....which ends with this:
Everybody lies.....Everybody dies.

You forgot to add the word OR between that threat. It's obvious that Casey followed through because she has passed the lying test with flying colors!

I hope she doesn't get out of jail. I'm worried you will cause her to disappear, too!

Enjoy your freedom because the walls are closing in on you and your problems.

That's all for now. I'm sure as this unfolds, there will be more to say.
:flamemad:


I wonder if something more sinister is going on here? Is it possible that Casey is being threatened by someone who has Caylee? Maybe Casey has something being held against her and if she gives out any information, then Caylee would be killed. The fact that her child is missing and she is not cooperating is so crazy! Maybe something else is up.............? Whack -O
stuff going on here

[Karin]

One more thing.......this whole thing is making me want to vomit.....

I hate that this little precious girl is out there somewhere and no one finds her important enough to look for her. Even the Orange County PD is not looking for her. Whatever is really going on down in central Florida, the fact that Caylee is out there somewhere is enough to make you want to do whatever it takes to find her, dead or alive. I am to the point to where I do not want to listen to the news anymore. Find Caylee, for God's sake!

Something else is going on here, but what is it?

[SaraSidle]

I thought the same thing Karin. What if Casey is protecting her family by not saying where Caylee is? It is a possiblity, And there is something wrong here that we are not allowed to see. definitely weird. IMO

[ButterflyDragon]

One more thing.......this whole thing is making me want to vomit.....

I hate that this little precious girl is out there somewhere and no one finds her important enough to look for her. Even the Orange County PD is not looking for her. Whatever is really going on down in central Florida, the fact that Caylee is out there somewhere is enough to make you want to do whatever it takes to find her, dead or alive. I am to the point to where I do not want to listen to the news anymore. Find Caylee, for God's sake!

Something else is going on here, but what is it?

Where would you suggest they look?

The police tried to go to a beginning point to start searching. The problem was that it was all based on lies. The apartment hadn't been occupied since February, no leads on Zenaida Gonzalez. Pulled up every Zenaida Gonzalez in the state that had ever gotten a DL or ID card in Florida, Casey said none of them were her.

So, where do they begin searching?

[kathmandu]

So, where do they begin searching?


They started their search for Caylee on July 15th, which carried over into July 16th when they asked Casey to take them to the place she had last seen Caylee and she led the way to The Sawgrass Apartments. She claimed to have dropped her off there to Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez on June 9th, 2008.

(The police report states Casey Anthony lived in her parents home until the same date.....June 9th, which is very interesting.




Investigators attempting to find Caylee at this apartment complex were met with much confusion because the babysitter was not at that apartment and the maintenance man let the detective inside and it was confirmed the apartment was empty.


Still searching for Caylee, they asked for information on the tenant in the office of the apartment complex. I'm not sure WHO lived there previously, but nobody had lived in that apartment for 142 days according to records.


Still searching for Caylee, they asked apartment complex manager to run the name of Zenaida Gonzalez. It was confirmed that a Zenaida Gonzalez DID come to look at an apartment on April 17th, but she was never a tenant. Zenaida Gonzalez had filled out a guest card while she was at the complex and it was provided to investigators. It included her cell phone number.

Casey said she knew of 2 co-workers who could confirm the existence of Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, and she gave the names of Jeffrey Hopkins, (which is the man Cindy Anthony said Casey went to Jacksonville with on a mini-vacation,) and she gave the name of Juliette Lewis.


Still searching for Caylee by trying to find the person Casey named as the nanny Caylee was dropped off with, the investigator then visited Universal, from what I can infer from police report.
The employment database showed Jeffrey Hopkins was employed there and fired on May 13, 2002. Casey was fired on 4/24/06. Juliette Lewis was not found to be a current of past employee, nor was Zenaida Gonzalez found to be a current or former employee, although Casey claimed Zenaida was a seasonal employee there.

After realizing Casey had lied to them about being employed there, and finding out that a Zenaida Gonzalez appeared to have never been an employee at Universal, Melich called Casey on his cell phone and put her on speaker. She confirmed she did work there as an event coordinator.
She gave her work extension and it was not valid.
She said her supervisor was Tom Manley. There was a Tom who was the head of events department, but his last name was Mattson, not Manley.

Casey claimed to have her own office, but couldn't tell them a building number or location, nor could she find her ID.

Still giving her the benefit of the doubt, they arranged to go back and pick her up and see if she would agree to come to Universal. She agreed. Melich met with Casey, Sgt. Allen and Detective Wells. She explained to security that she was an employee and lost her ID. When asked the name of her supervisor, she said Tom Manley, but was told nobody by that name worked there. Casey said nothing.

Still on the search for Caylee, which requires the TRUTH, they escorted her to where she said she worked. She led them down a hallway and eventually told them she lied. She said she was not a current employee.

They spoke to her privately, recording the conversation. They confronted her on all her inconsistencies and

she admitted she lied about the apartment at 301 N. Hillside being one of Zenaida's.
she admitted she lied about where she worked
she admitted her EX-boyfriend (Ricardo Morales)lived across the street from 301 N. Hillside and she failed to mention him or his address
she admitted she should have called the police the day the child went missing, but
she maintained the story about dropping Caylee off with Zenaida on June 9th at The Sawgrass Apartments at 2863 S. Conway Road.
Still trying to follow up on things, even though Casey had lied about other things, Melich says he called the Zenaida Gonzalez that had visited the apartment complex on April 24th to view an apartment and left her cell phone number on a guest card. She denied knowing Casey, Caylee, or babysitting for anyone at all. She gave a sworn statement. She was later shown photos of Casey and Caylee and denied knowing either of them.


Still trying to find Caylee, Sgt. Allen pulled up all the Zenaida Gonzalez in the system. Casey could not identify any of them based on this, as stated in the police report. He pulled up the photo of the Zenaida that he had spoken with and Casey said she didn't recognize her.
It is interesting and very important to note that at this point, the search for Caylee was not getting very far, directly due to the lies Casey had told them. They were doing everything they felt necessary at that time because at that point, Casey was a mother of a missing child who had made a bad decision not to report her missing and they had no reason to disbelieve her. But, after she admitted she lied about several things, she was no longer very credible and she impeded the investigation into this child's disappearance. The search was obviously not going to be helped by Casey, who appeared to show no emotion for the loss of her child. She did not cry. She remained stoic and monotone during a majority of their contacts, as reported in police report.

Melich did receive calls from several people claiming she is a habitual liar and has been known to steal from friends.

[kathmandu]

Amy Huizenga loaned Casey her car from July 8- July 15, 2008. Casey drove Amy to the airport and left in Amy's car. Casey picked Amy up around 2:30pm on July 15th in Amy's car. Amy claimed Casey stole some checks and $700 cash. **Amy lives with Ricardo Morales at 232 Glenwood Drive. (Ricardo is said to be an ex-boyfriend of Casey's and he is the one who lives across the street from the address she gave as one of Zenaida's, which was 301 N. Hillside.


Casey admitted she had stayed at Ricardo's since the child went missing, but didn't mention that when investigators were right there in front of his home.

Amy cannot recall the last time she saw Caylee.

Amy lives with Ricardo, but I'm unsure if she's the new girlfriend, or if she's just a friend living there.

Amy called Cindy Anthony and told her where to find Casey on the evening of July 15th. Cindy found Casey around 7pm on July 15th.

Cindy made a series of 3 calls, with the first being just after 7pm while Casey was sitting in the car with her. She was threatening Casey, telling her she was going to turn her in for stealing a car and money.

She made the call, never saying Casey was missing for a month.
She made the call, never saying Caylee was missing.
She made the call, never mentioning smelling a dead body smell in her car.
She simply wanted to know where to bring Casey to have her arrested for theft.

It was during this call that Cindy is being transfered and she may not have realized she could be heard.
**She tells Casey that they can go to the child (service) thing and get a court order and she would never.......(I'm assuming she was going to say.....Casey would never see her again????)
and she tells Casey if that's the way she wants to play it....and Casey says it's NOT the way she wants to play it, she just needs one more day.
Cindy says -(on July 15th!)-" I've given you one month, I'm not giving you one more day. "

Important: On July 15th, Cindy had given her one month......for what?

One month prior to July 15th would be June 14th (31 days before!) and June 15th would have been Father's Day when CINDY HAD HER LAST!!

Cindy gave Casey one month---to do what?
Somebody please ask her this question in an interview!

Cindy Anthony, what did you mean when you said you had given Casey a month, you weren't giving her one more day?

[mev]

Was a car seat found in the Sunbird?
Did Casey go on a 45K shopping spree w/stolen credit cards?
Did Casey leave Caylee in the car while shopping?
Where is the father in all of this, (Casey), he seems just to be sitting in the back ground holding Cindy's shoulder.
Obivously Cindy is the master controller of the house.
I have a married 24 year old daughter that I speak to everyday. It was just as much Cindy's responsibility to call and report her missing.
Did I just hear that they found the apartment where Casey was staying and said there was not a sign a toddler lived there.
Did Casey become fed up with her mothers controlling ways? Have a fight, Caylee was probably upset, Casey loses control?
Working married couples have Nannys, not unemployed 20 somethings, that live at home.
I think once the grandmother figured it out, she has done everything to cover it up. Sightings at airports, forgeting the date she left, is she was so attached to her she would remember the last time she saw her.
Possibly Cindy would not allow her to leave, and there was a struggle and a accident happened
Why wont the police charge her?
Would be interested to see Casey's juvie records, and would like to see her medical history now, she is obivously
ill, flat affect, no remorse, and the way she speaks with the tone.
Daddy needs to go have a one on one with his daughter and get to the bottom of this.
IMO:cuss:

[Bonnie]

Anyone else hear about CSI showing up at the Anthony home this morning ? I so hope they are finally on to something.

I do NOT trust the granny at all. I think she is behind all of it, that unstable Casey is in it too or covering it up for Mommy Dearest and that George is trying hard not to tell authorities exactly what happened....he knows.

As for Lee, maybe he really is as clueless as he seems to be.

[kathmandu]

According to something I read, Cindy Anthony allegedly testified that they rec'd a notice from post office telling them they had a registered letter on July 11th, which was a Friday. Because it was the weekend, they had to wait to pick up the letter.

She says her husband picked up the letter on July 14th from post office and they went and picked up the car on the 15th.

I also read somewhere that she claimed they had to "air it out."


I'm curious to hear from others on something regarding the postal service and how many times they try to deliver a registered a letter to you before they finally keep it at the post office and tell you to come get it.

It's been my experience that they try to deliver 2 times and then they will not continue to try. After 2 failed attempts to deliver, they sent a notice telling me there was something I needed to come sign for. I was out of town during the time of attempted deliveries, so this is how I know.

Did the Anthony's leave town, returning on July 11th, the date they rec'd notice?

You know, when Cindy Anthony said she was "looking for her daughter," what exactly did she mean?

She claims that she and Casey had communication every single day, either by phone, text messages or instant messages. How "lost" could Casey have been?

Casey left a myspace message for her own brother on June 23rd, in which she makes mention of Chicago, asking if it's really so windy that it is called the windy city? the comment ends with this: "I've always wondered."

Were her parents in Chicago? Was her brother, Lee, in Chicago?

Who was in Chicago? Whatever his comment was TO her was deleted, so we don't know what he said to her, but her comment is about Chicago.

So, (1)does post office attempt to deliver 2 times and if failed, they send notice? If so, where were Casey's parents during those 2 failed attempts?

(2) Anybody know anything about a reference to Chicago by Casey on June 23, 2008 and what it could mean?

[kathmandu]

Although I realize the young man, J. Ortiz, passed away in May 2007 and may not be related to this Caylee in any way, other than just a friend connection with Casey, I found this story on him to be interesting and very sad, indeed.
He was a doorman at the Hyatt Regency working his way through college, which is very admirable! It's tragic his life was taken so soon. A young woman was also involved in this horrible accident and miraculously survived. The story includes links to updates on her condition.

I felt it appropriate to put this here for others to read simply because he's been discussed as a possible bio father to Caylee, although nobody really knows who the bio father is.
The whole ordeal is so disturbing. I hope answers are provided soon.


06/17/07


One bad turn, two altered lives

* '04 Lemon Bay grad recovering in Indiana hospital from brain injuries


Jesus "Emy" Ortiz, 20, was a business major at the University (http://www.sun-herald.com/Newsstory.cfm?pubdate=061707&story=tp5ew2.htm&folder=NewsArchive2#) of Central Florida working his way through college as a Hyatt Regency doorman.
Friends said the Orlando native had an entrepreneurial magnetism, "a kind heart, a good head on his shoulders, and could brighten up anyone's day."
Sarah Rogers, 21, was a student government senator, president of the Society of Women Engineers, a member of the Chi Omega Sorority, and an intern at Lockheed Martin.
The 2004 Lemon Bay High School graduate was studying audio engineering. Her passion was music and her goal was to be a top-flight disc jockey.
Just after sunset on May 8, one bad turn changed everything in the blink of an eye.
Ortiz was killed instantly when his 1999 Honda Accord was broadsided by a 2007 Mazda.
He'd pulled into traffic from the parking lot of the apartment he shared with Rogers. They were going to dinner.
Just like that -- in the snap of a finger -- he was dead.
And just like that, Sarah was left with traumatic head injuries.
Doctors had to perform plastic surgery on her broken jaws to insert a tube so she could swallow. She was in a coma at Orlando Regional Medical Center for eight days.
She was airlifted to the Rehabilitation Hospital of Indiana in Indianapolis on May 30 to be closer to her parents -- Mary Rogers of New Richmond, Ind., and Max Howe of Kokomo, Ind.
Mary Rogers, a former Englewood resident, owned and operated Mary's Taxi for years, said Bonnie Douglas, a family friend.
"Anyone who ever did business with Mary's Taxi in Englewood will remember young Sarah, who grew up in Englewood and returned there to graduate from Lemon Bay High School," she said.
Doctors were initially not optimistic Sarah would make a full recovery. But since her arrival in Indianapolis, she's made remarkable progress.
Yet, she still faces a grueling and painful road ahead.
Max Howe updates a daily blog dedicated to his daughter's recovery on his myspace.com Web site.
According to her father, on June 4, Sarah took her first steps -- 12 -- with the help of parallel bars and "made noise."
On June 6, she wrote an 'X' on a piece of paper. Then, in "shaky handwriting," Sarah added, "This sucks."
"She voices 'no' and shakes her head yes and no," Howe writes. "Basically, she can stand up and walk, but her balance is very poor."
On Wednesday, Sarah stacked, sorted, and counted play money in assorted denominations; answered multiplication problems; and passed sequencing tests.
"She continues to drink a little from a straw," Howe wrote. "The big question is, will she be able to drink or eat enough calories when her jaws are unwired?"
Her father says Sarah is losing weight. Unless she can feed herself soon, doctors may insert a feeding tube directly into her stomach.
Although her recovery is remarkable, it is taking physical, emotional and financial toll on her parents, Douglas said.
Mary Rogers must drive more than 120 miles a day roundtrip to see her daughter, she said.
"In addition to Sarah's ongoing medical expenses, the gas required for these daily trips is a huge burden on the family," Douglas said.
Fellow disc jockeys raised more than $1,300 for Sarah's medical expenses during a June 2 benefit in Cocoa Beach, Fla.
Lockheed Martin has made a donation while friends and family have staged fundraisers at the University of Central Florida and in Indiana.
Now, Douglas said, it's time for Sarah's friends in Englewood -- many who may not even know of her injuries -- to pitch in.
"Any assistance that can be generated in Sarah's 'hometown' will be greatly appreciated," she said.
Sarah may need time and money to recover, but she isn't lacking true grit.
On her myspace.com profile, she writes: "When I want something, I do whatever it takes to get it, and don't stop until I succeed."


Donations for Sarah's ongoing care can be mailed to:
The Sarah Rogers Fund
745 South Oxford Drive
Englewood, FL 34223

To read daily updates on Sarah's recovery, go to:
www.myspace.com/purduemax or
www.myspace.com/prayforsarah2007 You can e-mail John Haughey (haughey@sun-herald.com) at jhaughey@sun-herald.com.



:rose:For Caylee and other families affected by her disappearance

[Bonnie]

http://a11news.com/380/casey-marie-anthony/

Can someone make out what that stamp is on Caylees hand ? ( 3rd pic from top)

I'm just curious if that is a logo or image of something specific.

[Vera]

http://a11news.com/380/casey-marie-anthony/

Can someone make out what that stamp is on Caylees hand ? ( 3rd pic from top)

I'm just curious if that is a logo or image of something specific.

It doesn't appear to be a logo or an image, but more like something written. It appears the first letter is "C" and the last letter is "P", both capitalized. It also looks as though the letter "t" is in there too.

IMO

[Bonnie]

I thought that,too. What the heck does it mean though? Any ideas folks ?

[Vera]

I thought that,too. What the heck does it mean though? Any ideas folks ?

Looking at it closer, with magnification, it looks like "Calee P" (or Caylee without a long tail on the letter "y"). Above that, it looks like "J" and either the letter "O" or a symbol. I have no idea what it means. I wonder when that photo was taken? Perhaps the timeframe might offer a clue.

[Notknowingall]

It looks to me more like a temporary tatoo. Nothing more. IMO

[SaraSidle]

It looks to me more like a temporary tatoo. Nothing more. IMO

me too. Like and ink stamp IMO

[INGASON14]

It doesn't appear to be a logo or an image, but more like something written. It appears the first letter is "C" and the last letter is "P", both capitalized. It also looks as though the letter "t" is in there too.

IMO

Also could be a tattoo. My granddaughters get them all the time. You wet your haand and then place the tattoo there. It comes off in a couple of days.

[grneyes]

It looks to me more like a temporary tatoo. Nothing more. IMO

I agree. It looks like the kind that comes on bubble gum or in Cracker Jacks. (At least they did when I was a kid. Many, many moons ago. ;-) )

[rosejustrose]

Formal State Criminal Charges Filed in Missing Florida Toddler Case, DNA Tests Complete

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398005,00.html

It also state that the DNA tests came back today. Any idea if something big is about to break? I hope Caylee is coming home soon.


They expect to release the DNA results by the end of the week. Have you all listened to the tapes of the phone calls Casey had with her mother and brother? Unbelievable, IMO. This woman really doesn't care about this child. Apparently, her family knows she's lying and her brother tells her the truth of what is happening will be found out so she might as well talk now. What is wrong with these people? IMO.

[Vera]

Formal State Criminal Charges Filed in Missing Florida Toddler Case, DNA Tests Complete

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398005,00.html

It also state that the DNA tests came back today. Any idea if something big is about to break? I hope Caylee is coming home soon.

Since the results from the evidence collected were handed to the investigators today, and Casey was subsequently formally charged with the same offenses, what does this mean? Did the tests reveal foul play but LE didn't charge Casey with more serious offenses because they want her to lead them to Caylee/her remains? Or did the tests fail to prove evidence of foul play and someone does indeed have Caylee and LE needs Casey to tell them who this person is? I want to believe the latter is true, but the cadaver dogs alerting to the trunk and areas in the Anthonys' yard diminish my optimism.

[Karin]

Since the results from the evidence collected were handed to the investigators today, and Casey was subsequently formally charged with the same offenses, what does this mean? Did the tests reveal foul play but LE didn't charge Casey with more serious offenses because they want her to lead them to Caylee/her remains? Or did the tests fail to prove evidence of foul play and someone does indeed have Caylee and LE needs Casey to tell them who this person is? I want to believe the latter is true, but the cadaver dogs alerting to the trunk and areas in the Anthonys' yard diminish my optimism.

My understanding is that there was some kind of a deadline to officially charge Casey with something. I think that they needed to find some reason to continue to keep her and so they charged her with child neglect. It may have been coincidental that the DNA came in at the same time. On the other hand, the DNA may have shown something and they are just trying to work out some kind of immunity deal. It seems to me that if the DNA showed some conclusive evidence that we would know that by now. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe they still don't have anything on her and just needed to make sure she stays in jail until they do know something.....She is certainly guilty of making herself look like she doesn't care and that is definitely child neglect to say the least!

[SaraSidle]

My understanding is that there was some kind of a deadline to officially charge Casey with something. I think that they needed to find some reason to continue to keep her and so they charged her with child neglect. It may have been coincidental that the DNA came in at the same time. On the other hand, the DNA may have shown something and they are just trying to work out some kind of immunity deal. It seems to me that if the DNA showed some conclusive evidence that we would know that by now. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe they still don't have anything on her and just needed to make sure she stays in jail until they do know something.....She is certainly guilty of making herself look like she doesn't care and that is definitely child neglect to say the least!

I thought the DNA results they got today were from what they took from the house. IMO

[Vera]

My understanding is that there was some kind of a deadline to officially charge Casey with something. I think that they needed to find some reason to continue to keep her and so they charged her with child neglect. It may have been coincidental that the DNA came in at the same time. On the other hand, the DNA may have shown something and they are just trying to work out some kind of immunity deal. It seems to me that if the DNA showed some conclusive evidence that we would know that by now. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe they still don't have anything on her and just needed to make sure she stays in jail until they do know something.....She is certainly guilty of making herself look like she doesn't care and that is definitely child neglect to say the least!

I thought they had until at least the 18th to charge Casey or release her?

I think the test results being handed to investigators today, and Casey being formally charged, aren't coincidental and that they are either being used to persuade Casey to lead them to Caylee's remains or to the person who has Caylee.

[CindyB]

I don't know what the hell to think about this case anymore....I simply pray that Caylee is safe. (Though I have my doubts.)

[michelle1]

Okay, enough of her demeanor. She knows what happened and we probably know Caylee's fate already. The grandparents aren't helping in this at all. I pray though that Caylee is ok. When growing up, my parents were in the telecommunications business. They talked openly about things, how to do this how to get around this etc....and I listened and learned. Now Casey was raised in that same type of environment except in a Law enforment type envirmonment. Do you suppose she listened and learned too? I believe she is a product of that and is using it for all she has. She is very conditioned. Now looking at the report, (which wasn't all that detailed IMO) they briefly mention about the car being abandoned and towed but there is no details of WHERE. Where was the car?

My other questions are probably typish but was the milage being looked at? Did they pull credit/debit card reciepts. Where they able to track her whereabouts based on her purchases? Did they pull phone records? Cell? What about Amy's car, where all did she go that entire week she had the car. Where is her (Casey's) source of income? How was she able to pay for the Nanny? Or was it free? Did she ever answer for the need for a shovel?My questions are endless. Someone please shed some light!

[Vera]

Without a doubt, I believe Casey knows where Caylee is, or is either directly or indirectly responsible for her daughter's fate. I believe the family and LE both know this and are handling the situation in a way which will lead to Caylee.

I know many are condemning Casey's family for their inconsistent statements, but I am not ready to do so because they might be doing this to win Caylee's confidence because she had once accused them of being against her. Since Casey is the only person who knows the answer to Caylee's/or her remains whereabouts, and Casey is behaving narcissistically, making this all about her, her family must go along with her, and might be using psychology to achieve this. After all, her father is former LE and knows how to retrieve info from suspects, and behaving judgmentally isn't one of them.

If Cindy were enabling Casey, she would not have called LE to arrest her daughter for vehicle theft and credit card theft, nor would she have held Casey accountable for lying and being in jail because of it.

Casey's family is in an unenviable position, and one which I hope to never find myself in. They are confronted with Casey perhaps being responsible for Caylee's disappearance; two people they likely love equally.

In my opion

[michelle1]

On another board there is talk that she (Casey) actually posed as the babysitter on Jul 17th. This is so sick and twisted.

[Vera]

On another board there is talk that she (Casey) actually posed as the babysitter on Jul 17th. This is so sick and twisted.

Casey might have posed as Zenaida Gonzalez on June 17th, If so, this is a huge piece of circumstantial evidence if more serious charges are filed against Casey, inasmuch as I believe Caylee was last seen on June 15th. If true, this points to Casey trying to establish the existence of ZG.

This is the article which contains a reference to someone using the name Zenaida Gonzalez to view an apartment on June 17th, formerly believed to have been April 17th.

http://www.local6.com/news/17108143/detail.html

EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE:

Casey Anthony maintains the last time she saw her daughter was the day she dropped her off with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez at the Sawgrass Apartments in Orlando.

According to the original arrest report from July 15, someone by the name of Zenaida Gonzalez looked at an apartment on April 17, 2008.

Local 6 has confirmed with apartment managers that the incident didn't happen in April but on June 17.

The date is important because Caylee was last seen two days before on June 15, Local 6's Lauren Rowe said.

Sawgrass managers said on June 17, someone came to inquire about an apartment.

Investigators said the person filled-out a guest card using the name Zenaida Gonzalez and the person who wrote it had sloppy handwriting.

Someone misread the date when filing out an original arrest record, Local 6 reported.

Sources told Local 6 that when apartment managers tried to follow up with the woman after June 25, the phone number she gave was no longer valid.

And the apartment where Anthony said she left Caylee had been vacant for about six months, Local 6 has learned.

Investigators said they located a woman named Zenaida Gonzales but she said she'd never heard of Caylee or Casey.

[grneyes]

This sounds worse everyday for that baby. :(

[odette]

. . . http://i38.tinypic.com/34q8rp5.jpg

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/

[odette]

MySpace - Caylee Is Missing!

. . . http://i37.tinypic.com/140xdza.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

[dcrc]

The case reminds me of the Susan Smith case, she claimed that a black man kidnapped her two sons. Smith even described the man and a composite drawing was released to the public of a man who didn't exist. Smith stuck to her story until the police pieced her story together and knew that Smith was lying. When confronted with her lies, she finally admitted that she murdered her two sons. This case does remind me of the Smith case.

I feel sorry for the grandparents. If they admit that their daughter might have killed their granddaughter then there is no hope of ever seeing their granddaughter alive. I think they are clinging to hope and want to believe the daughter because it gives them hope that their grandbaby might still be alive.

[FDInLaw]

I don't know what the hell to think about this case anymore....I simply pray that Caylee is safe. (Though I have my doubts.)
My thoughts too. :rose:

[minga]

Without a doubt, I believe Casey knows where Caylee is, or is either directly or indirectly responsible for her daughter's fate. I believe the family and LE both know this and are handling the situation in a way which will lead to Caylee.

I know many are condemning Casey's family for their inconsistent statements, but I am not ready to do so because they might be doing this to win Caylee's confidence because she had once accused them of being against her. Since Casey is the only person who knows the answer to Caylee's/or her remains whereabouts, and Casey is behaving narcissistically, making this all about her, her family must go along with her, and might be using psychology to achieve this. After all, her father is former LE and knows how to retrieve info from suspects, and behaving judgmentally isn't one of them.

If Cindy were enabling Casey, she would not have called LE to arrest her daughter for vehicle theft and credit card theft, nor would she have held Casey accountable for lying and being in jail because of it.

Casey's family is in an unenviable position, and one which I hope to never find myself in. They are confronted with Casey perhaps being responsible for Caylee's disappearance; two people they likely love equally.

In my opion


Not only is she behaving narcissistically, she is also behaving sociopathically. The parents behavior as far as turning her in may have been because they've simply had enough of her behavior. A child who has those tendencies is a definite trial and challenge to parents. At some point they simply have enough and will call LE when they can't abide the behavior any longer. Yet the strong steps they've taken to call LE about vehicle and credit card theft, are only a step. They would not be ready to go as far as to give her up for murder. This has to be a co-dependant and enabling relationship of long standing. Finally someone has to take a step to break it. Only they can't go so far as to sever it. Enabling isn't broken quite that easily.

I believe they couldn't bring themselves to believe or accept it, but deep inside they know. They couldn't not know, if they have any concept of what their daughter is. If they didn't they are learning.

And I doubt they think this is the way to get answers from Casey, I believe they are in extreme denial or covering. There is no way to get answers from a pathological liar, someone has to break her. That kind will lie all day long, every conceivable way. Wheedling answers, never. IMO

[CindyB]

As always, Odette, thank you for the updates....It's GREAT to have you here! :)

[odette]

As always, Odette, thank you for the updates....It's GREAT to have you here! :)

Awwww ty Cindy! .. Nice to be here. :)

[SaraSidle]

Not only is she behaving narcissistically, she is also behaving sociopathically. The parents behavior as far as turning her in may have been because they've simply had enough of her behavior. A child who has those tendencies is a definite trial and challenge to parents. At some point they simply have enough and will call LE when they can't abide the behavior any longer. Yet the strong steps they've taken to call LE about vehicle and credit card theft, are only a step. They would not be ready to go as far as to give her up for murder. This has to be a co-dependant and enabling relationship of long standing. Finally someone has to take a step to break it. Only they can't go so far as to sever it. Enabling isn't broken quite that easily.

I believe they couldn't bring themselves to believe or accept it, but deep inside they know. They couldn't not know, if they have any concept of what their daughter is. If they didn't they are learning.

And I doubt they think this is the way to get answers from Casey, I believe they are in extreme denial or covering. There is no way to get answers from a pathological liar, someone has to break her. That kind will lie all day long, every conceivable way. Wheedling answers, never. IMO

Nice post Minga!

[FDInLaw]

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1100742c1.jpg


Hoping and praying for the best. . . :rose:

[INGASON14]

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC1100742c1.jpg


Hoping and praying for the best. . . :rose:

Same here, she is a beautiful child and my thoughts and prayers are for her safe return home.

[Ruzzty]

I find it very telling that the car was found close to where they live. It tells me that someone wanted the "smell" to go away without neighbors noticing. It also tells me the child is probably "close" as in within a 5mile radius of the home.

There are many areas of thick brush and drainage canals. If Casey was alone in anything criminal, I doubt she's the type of person who would get her feet dirty.

I'm willing to bet she parked close to where she dumped her child.

I also suspect she wants out of jail to commit suicide (per.. Belinda Duckett)

[SaraSidle]

I find it very telling that the car was found close to where they live. It tells me that someone wanted the "smell" to go away without neighbors noticing. It also tells me the child is probably "close" as in within a 5mile radius of the home.

There are many areas of thick brush and drainage canals. If Casey was alone in anything criminal, I doubt she's the type of person who would get her feet dirty.

I'm willing to bet she parked close to where she dumped her child.

I also suspect she wants out of jail to commit suicide (per.. Belinda Duckett)

I am leaning that way too Ruzzty. with all the decomp smells in the area and all the lies I do wish LE would look by where the car was parked. I am sure glad they are now checking all the water areas. I am thinking even a 3 mile radius with the so close statement. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Ruzzty do you know this area at all?

[cookiewench]

Hi, Sara.

Didn't Casey leave the keys in the car?

I thought that maybe she left it there in the hope that someone would steal it - and when it was eventually located with the cadaver scent in it, Casey could claim that she had lent the car to the "nanny", who took Caylee to the beach.

[SaraSidle]

Hi, Sara.

Didn't Casey leave the keys in the car?

I thought that maybe she left it there in the hope that someone would steal it - and when it was eventually located with the cadaver scent in it, Casey could claim that she had lent the car to the "nanny", who took Caylee to the beach.

Yes cookie and her purse. I am thinking she was going to say the car had been hijacked with Caylee in it. I think she was hoping someone would steal it to make it look true. When it was found and towed I think GP started to doubt her somewhat too. IMO

[cookiewench]

Yes cookie and her purse. I am thinking she was going to say the car had been hijacked with Caylee in it. I think she was hoping someone would steal it to make it look true. When it was found and towed I think GP started to doubt her somewhat too. IMO

Hijacked. That would explain the purse being left there (although someone said that it was an old purse with nothing important in it -no sense in wasting one of your good purses on something like this, eh?).

Reminds me of Scott Peterson leaving the dog out with his leash on - only the dog got found too soon.

[Ruzzty]

Ruzzty do you know this area at all?

I live off Goldenrod which runs North/South as does Chickasaw Tr.

I live basically due West of the grandparents house (> 1mile)

I even reported a suspicious vehicle that I saw in a large field (where cows used to roam just a year ago) that has been 1/2 developed with homes and the northern half still sits vacant with a few lakes. They built a large Super Walmart thats located across the street from this area. I noticed the car a few weeks back before this became a news story so I reported it last Friday when they asked for any possible leads.

[Ruzzty]

1. If she did kill her child, will she plead insanity.

2. If a person kills their child by accident (which is not an easy feat) then a 911 call should be made immediately. Any delay should be viewed as suspicious and no amount of leeway should be acceptable.

3. A radio station should be built around the premise of discussing cases, law and education of law. Basically, talk radio w/out the standard 24/7 politics.

[michelle1]

I recall reading a day or so ago on one of the news sites where Casey's Father said Casey also took a tool for rotating tires. If she rotated her tires would it be enough to change the tread or enough to throw off LE if they found tire tracks that would lead to Caylee? I wonder if they took soil samples from the vehicle tires.

This may sound stupid but do alligators eat dead things?

[SaraSidle]

Hijacked. That would explain the purse being left there (although someone said that it was an old purse with nothing important in it -no sense in wasting one of your good purses on something like this, eh?).

Reminds me of Scott Peterson leaving the dog out with his leash on - only the dog got found too soon.

I agree cookiewench. I think there was covering up then and now. More than I have ever seen actually. I think Mom may have a personality disorder and be sociopathic between the lying and emotions and morality. IMO

[Ruzzty]

I recall reading a day or so ago on one of the news sites where Casey's Father said Casey also took a tool for rotating tires. If she rotated her tires would it be enough to change the tread or enough to throw off LE if they found tire tracks that would lead to Caylee? I wonder if they took soil samples from the vehicle tires.

This may sound stupid but do alligators eat dead things?

Yes, alligators eat dead things. They basically pull their kill under water to drown them. I believe Gatorland feeds their gators w/ dead, skinned chickens.

[SaraSidle]

I live off Goldenrod which runs North/South as does Chickasaw Tr.

I live basically due West of the grandparents house (> 1mile)

I even reported a suspicious vehicle that I saw in a large field (where cows used to roam just a year ago) that has been 1/2 developed with homes and the northern half still sits vacant with a few lakes. They built a large Super Walmart thats located across the street from this area. I noticed the car a few weeks back before this became a news story so I reported it last Friday when they asked for any possible leads.

Have you seen them search it? Have you searched it?

[SaraSidle]

1. If she did kill her child, will she plead insanity.

2. If a person kills their child by accident (which is not an easy feat) then a 911 call should be made immediately. Any delay should be viewed as suspicious and no amount of leeway should be acceptable.

3. A radio station should be built around the premise of discussing cases, law and education of law. Basically, talk radio w/out the standard 24/7 politics.

Hard to say Ruzzty but I would guess #2 and probably some leeway. such as the child was already deceased and could not be saved. IMO

[SaraSidle]

I recall reading a day or so ago on one of the news sites where Casey's Father said Casey also took a tool for rotating tires. If she rotated her tires would it be enough to change the tread or enough to throw off LE if they found tire tracks that would lead to Caylee? I wonder if they took soil samples from the vehicle tires.

This may sound stupid but do alligators eat dead things?

I do not know if they did or not. I asked my DH who watches a lot of wild animal shows and he thinks it would depend on the decomposition probably. IMO

[FDInLaw]

Yes, alligators eat dead things. They basically pull their kill under water to drown them. I believe Gatorland feeds their gators w/ dead, skinned chickens.
Thank you. . . I was about to answer but happy to find that you did first! :seeya:

[michelle1]

Thanks for the response on the alligator. What about the tire rotation issue? Anyone familiar with that?

[SaraSidle]

Thanks for the response on the alligator. What about the tire rotation issue? Anyone familiar with that?

I am not knowledgable about that although I can change a tire if the lugnuts are not to tight.

[SaraSidle]

Published: Aug 7, 2008

Jesus Ortiz MySpace, Photos: Caylee Anthony "Dad" Never Told Family?

• Continued
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212163160.shtml

I am watching Nancy Grace and it is looking worse and worse.

[odette]

i am watching nancy grace and it is looking worse and worse.

. . . :(

[SaraSidle]

Odette these links are great Thank you

[odette]

Odette these links are great Thank you

Glad to help Sara! :)

[SaraSidle]

Glad to help Sara! :)

I cannot believe GM called LE and asked them to come over for evidence and then she gave them Casey's clothes....... IMO

[minga]

I cannot believe GM called LE and asked them to come over for evidence and then she gave them Casey's clothes....... IMO

Maybe they got smart. Figured they better cooperate instead of being implicated in something they don't want to go down for. I think they know Caylee is dead and Casey is bad news. It's hard to give your daughter up, but it's better than going down with her.

I could be entirely wrong, but I really believe they know.

[SaraSidle]

Maybe they got smart. Figured they better cooperate instead of being implicated in something they don't want to go down for. I think they know Caylee is dead and Casey is bad news. It's hard to give your daughter up, but it's better than going down with her.

I could be entirely wrong, but I really believe they know.

I agree. When GP implied on tv yesterday that it was his daughter who stole the gas cans I started to wonder. Interesting that GM washed Casey's pants that smelled like decomp before she turned them over to LE. It is like they are starting to accept things.........IMO

[Its just me]

Maybe they got smart. Figured they better cooperate instead of being implicated in something they don't want to go down for. I think they know Caylee is dead and Casey is bad news. It's hard to give your daughter up, but it's better than going down with her.

I could be entirely wrong, but I really believe they know.

I agree. When GP implied on tv yesterday that it was his daughter who stole the gas cans I started to wonder. Interesting that GM washed Casey's pants that smelled like decomp before she turned them over to LE. It is like they are starting to accept things.........IMO

A very sad story. The grandparents have not been perfect during this investigation and they are in a horrible situation. I can understand them wanting to believe Casey because that was about all the real hope they had to believe Caylee was still alive. I think they are finally fully accepting Caylee is most likely gone and Casey is responsible. I can't imagine being in their shoes and I would expect them to look back and see where maybe they went wrong. I don't know but by all reports Casey was a problem and it appears they didn't do much about it. FWIW I certainly don't blame the grandparents for Caylee death is this is what has happened but I do blame them for allowing Casey to speak to them in the manner she did to Cindy on the phone from jail. I feel sure it did not start that day.
After Zenaida Gonzalez has been located and she did visit the appartment complex and signed a guest card on June 17 IIRC and has denied knowing Casey, Caylee, anyone in the family or ever seeing them this should raise a red flag for somebody. Casey is a liar but she did not just pull this name and appartment complex from thin air. How Casey managed to get Gonzalez's name and the name of the complex is unknown but if Gonzalez is telling the truth....Casey was laying the foundation for some kind of coverup when she obtained this information...I'd like to know how she got it. fep

[SaraSidle]

A very sad story. The grandparents have not been perfect during this investigation and they are in a horrible situation. I can understand them wanting to believe Casey because that was about all the real hope they had to believe Caylee was still alive. I think they are finally fully accepting Caylee is most likely gone and Casey is responsible. I can't imagine being in their shoes and I would expect them to look back and see where maybe they went wrong. I don't know but by all reports Casey was a problem and it appears they didn't do much about it. FWIW I certainly don't blame the grandparents for Caylee death is this is what has happened but I do blame them for allowing Casey to speak to them in the manner she did to Cindy on the phone from jail. I feel sure it did not start that day.
After Zenaida Gonzalez has been located and she did visit the appartment complex and signed a guest card on June 17 IIRC and has denied knowing Casey, Caylee, anyone in the family or ever seeing them this should raise a red flag for somebody. Casey is a liar but she did not just pull this name and appartment complex from thin air. How Casey managed to get Gonzalez's name and the name of the complex is unknown but if Gonzalez is telling the truth....Casey was laying the foundation for some kind of coverup when she obtained this information...I'd like to know how she got it. fep


Real good quote and Point Fep. I am not sure if that is what of the things we will ever know about the zenaida-Casey team. like a lot of other stuff we may never find out.

[Ruzzty]

The chances of her pulling this name out of a hat is very rare. Why not just use a more common name? She probably has someone who works at that apartment who gave her the name. Did she visit this apartment and saw the name on the guest form (if they have guest forms)?

The fact that no one by that name even lives there.... tells us Caylee is lying.

Who introduced her to this person? Let me guess, it was a random chance meeting in a laundry mat. /rolleyes

Its becoming obvious the goal is to pull any attention away from Caylee and onto other persons of interest. We need to find Caylee (dead or alive).

No, I haven't seen anyone search the area I mentioned. I will check this weekend if I don't see any activity out there. I am concerned that it may be private property even though its a large overgrown(brush) patch of land.

[INGASON14]

A very sad story. The grandparents have not been perfect during this investigation and they are in a horrible situation. I can understand them wanting to believe Casey because that was about all the real hope they had to believe Caylee was still alive. I think they are finally fully accepting Caylee is most likely gone and Casey is responsible. I can't imagine being in their shoes and I would expect them to look back and see where maybe they went wrong. I don't know but by all reports Casey was a problem and it appears they didn't do much about it. FWIW I certainly don't blame the grandparents for Caylee death is this is what has happened but I do blame them for allowing Casey to speak to them in the manner she did to Cindy on the phone from jail. I feel sure it did not start that day.
After Zenaida Gonzalez has been located and she did visit the appartment complex and signed a guest card on June 17 IIRC and has denied knowing Casey, Caylee, anyone in the family or ever seeing them this should raise a red flag for somebody. Casey is a liar but she did not just pull this name and appartment complex from thin air. How Casey managed to get Gonzalez's name and the name of the complex is unknown but if Gonzalez is telling the truth....Casey was laying the foundation for some kind of coverup when she obtained this information...I'd like to know how she got it. fep

As a mother of a 22 year old daughter who has a daughter 11 months old, this is just tearing me up. I love my NaNa (Natalia). I think if she ever went missing I would be beside myself. My daughter is a wonderful mom and loves that baby to death. She lives with me so I get to see NaNa everyday. When they are not at my house I am on the phoe with my daughter asking how the baby is and if all is well. So if NaNa ever went missing I would now for sure when the last time I saw her was. My heart is going out to Cindy, she seems very torn trying to believe her daughter but with all the lies, you can also see the disdain for her daughter as well. Casey needs to come clean and deal with this like an adult not the spoiled child is is

***This is my opinion

[Its just me]

As a mother of a 22 year old daughter who has a daughter 11 months old, this is just tearing me up. I love my NaNa (Natalia). I think if she ever went missing I would be beside myself. My daughter is a wonderful mom and loves that baby to death. She lives with me so I get to see NaNa everyday. When they are not at my house I am on the phoe with my daughter asking how the baby is and if all is well. So if NaNa ever went missing I would now for sure when the last time I saw her was. My heart is going out to Cindy, she seems very torn trying to believe her daughter but with all the lies, you can also see the disdain for her daughter as well. Casey needs to come clean and deal with this like an adult not the spoiled child is is

***This is my opinion

Thanks I totally agree Casey is a spoiled child and IIRC Cindy is not talking or visiting with Casey right now. I'm a mother and grandmother also and this case has captured my heart. I think probably the parents have had problems with Casey for a long time and it took them a while to realize something was really wrong and when they did they reported it. I think the way Cindy handled things was because she was trying to scare Casey into telling what had happened to her grandbaby. I've also lost a child and I stongly feel Cindy is hanging on by the ropes to any hope that Caylee is alive and will come home..I can't see totally giving up until it is determined Caylee is no longer alive or Casey comes clean. My heart goes out to the parents living this nightmare...my mind can't comprehend being in their shoes. Maybe there will be a break in the case today. MHOO.

I'm glad you get to enjoy your daughter and NaNa....My grandkids call me a very Southern "NaNa".

[Its just me]

The chances of her pulling this name out of a hat is very rare. Why not just use a more common name? She probably has someone who works at that apartment who gave her the name. Did she visit this apartment and saw the name on the guest form (if they have guest forms)?

The fact that no one by that name even lives there.... tells us Caylee is lying.

Who introduced her to this person? Let me guess, it was a random chance meeting in a laundry mat. /rolleyes

Its becoming obvious the goal is to pull any attention away from Caylee and onto other persons of interest. We need to find Caylee (dead or alive).

No, I haven't seen anyone search the area I mentioned. I will check this weekend if I don't see any activity out there. I am concerned that it may be private property even though its a large overgrown(brush) patch of land.

To my understanding Gonzalez did sign a guest card on the 17th. None of this connection makes any sense. I have not researched to see if it has been said when Casey started using Gonzalez's name. I am most likely wrong but for some reason I'm questioning if it was before the 17th. ?? I doubt it will help find the child but it will show what we already think..Casey has serious problems.
Gonzales was interviewed and seemed to have NO knowledge of Casey. fep

[Its just me]

Friday, 08 Aug 2008

DNA Evidence Taken From Casey Anthony In Jail

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7163330&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7163330&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Thanks Odette...the article stated that Casey did not reconize Gonzalez from photos but that's not a surprise. I'd love to give her a shot or something to make us fess up. This is disgusting. fep

[rosejustrose]

Thanks Odette...the article stated that Casey did not reconize Gonzalez from photos but that's not a surprise. I'd love to give her a shot or something to make us fess up. This is disgusting. fep


ITA. It is disgusting to think a mother would be so uninterested in their small child's welfare. Casey needs to tell the truth about Caylee and end her family's pain. IMO.

And, thank you Odette for always being there posting the latest news and links. It's much appreciated.:rose:

[rosejustrose]

The chances of her pulling this name out of a hat is very rare. Why not just use a more common name? She probably has someone who works at that apartment who gave her the name. Did she visit this apartment and saw the name on the guest form (if they have guest forms)?

The fact that no one by that name even lives there.... tells us Caylee is lying.

Who introduced her to this person? Let me guess, it was a random chance meeting in a laundry mat. /rolleyes

Its becoming obvious the goal is to pull any attention away from Caylee and onto other persons of interest. We need to find Caylee (dead or alive).

No, I haven't seen anyone search the area I mentioned. I will check this weekend if I don't see any activity out there. I am concerned that it may be private property even though its a large overgrown(brush) patch of land.


I agree. Casey has lied over and over again. And, she doesn't even blink when confronted with her lies. I just watched a video of her mother talking from Caylee's room. I think she realizes that Caylee is gone and that Casey knows what happened and where she is. Casey is so sociopathic it's frightening. God bless that little girl. I prayer she is found safe and sound.

JMO

[Notknowingall]

I have heard it said repeatedly by Casey that she says that Caylee will be home before her birthday on Aug. 9 (tomorrow). I wonder if she is going to be true to her word on that one and come clean with everything then? If her mind is that twisted; she may be planning on such a thing.

[rosejustrose]

I have heard it said repeatedly by Casey that she says that Caylee will be home before her birthday on Aug. 9 (tomorrow). I wonder if she is going to be true to her word on that one and come clean with everything then? If her mind is that twisted; she may be planning on such a thing.


We can only hope and pray that Casey does the right thing and tells the truth. She's proven herself to be a pathological liar and her cryptic comments about Caylee being "close" and coming home before her birthday are down right scary. IMO, she's as crazy as a loon!

For Caylee:rose:

[Ruzzty]

Out of curiosity I typed in the name Zenaida Gonzalez.

www.howmanyofme.com

15 People in America have this name. Sure, its not 100% accurate (the website), but interesting none the less.

[Its just me]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0717/16910180.pdf


This is the arrest warrant affidavit for Casey. To me it helps shed some light on the parents etc....One of the charges is obstruct of "criminal" investigation.

The officers decription of Casey on Page 5 IIRC is an eye opener to the real Casey. Sick.

[rosejustrose]

Out of curiosity I typed in the name Zenaida Gonzalez.

www.howmanyofme.com

15 People in America have this name. Sure, its not 100% accurate (the website), but interesting none the less.


Interesting, Ruzzty! I entered my name and there's only 1 in the US, I guess that would be me:)

[SaraSidle]

Ruzzty I was not implying you should search for her. If you are not comfortable about it don't do it. I am the type of person who would go run right out there and look. That is me. I can be impulsive. I am hoping this confusion will be straightened out with the DNA and finding Caylee. The Casey/Zenaida part is very very confusing. I think the GP are starting to give more and more info to LE finally. I also think the Lawyer has told Casey to stop talking to visitors and all communications must go through him. I think they may be working on some kind of insanity defense. IMO only

[rosejustrose]

Ruzzty I was not implying you should search for her. If you are not comfortable about it don't do it. I am the type of person who would go run right out there and look. That is me. I can be impulsive. I am hoping this confusion will be straightened out with the DNA and finding Caylee. The Casey/Zenaida part is very very confusing. I think the GP are starting to give more and more info to LE finally. I also think the Lawyer has told Casey to stop talking to visitors and all communications must go through him. I think they may be working on some kind of insanity defense. IMO only


IMO an insanity defense would be very difficult. IIRC, Casey has no history of mental illness or a criminal background. But I guess if you figure into the insanity part her pathological lying, stealing, and apparent deceit where Caylee is concerned you could say she is crazy. JMO.

[odette]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0717/16910180.pdf


This is the arrest warrant affidavit for Casey. To me it helps shed some light on the parents etc....One of the charges is obstruct of "criminal" investigation.

The officers decription of Casey on Page 5 IIRC is an eye opener to the real Casey. Sick.

Thanks for posting that link fep .. hadn't read it before in such detail .. oh my, the lies she told that LE Officer!

imo

[INGASON14]

Thanks I totally agree Casey is a spoiled child and IIRC Cindy is not talking or visiting with Casey right now. I'm a mother and grandmother also and this case has captured my heart. I think probably the parents have had problems with Casey for a long time and it took them a while to realize something was really wrong and when they did they reported it. I think the way Cindy handled things was because she was trying to scare Casey into telling what had happened to her grandbaby. I've also lost a child and I stongly feel Cindy is hanging on by the ropes to any hope that Caylee is alive and will come home..I can't see totally giving up until it is determined Caylee is no longer alive or Casey comes clean. My heart goes out to the parents living this nightmare...my mind can't comprehend being in their shoes. Maybe there will be a break in the case today. MHOO.

I'm glad you get to enjoy your daughter and NaNa....My grandkids call me a very Southern "NaNa".

I am grandma and the hubby is poppop. My oldest grandaughter named him that and if I told the story behind it, it would take awhile because I would be laughing too hard roflmao

[SaraSidle]

IMO an insanity defense would be very difficult. IIRC, Casey has no history of mental illness or a criminal background. But I guess if you figure into the insanity part her pathological lying, stealing, and apparent deceit where Caylee is concerned you could say she is crazy. JMO.

That is exactly what I was thinking rose. just a possiblity IMO

[SaraSidle]

I am sure the vigil tonight will be on NG. Cindy says she is going to it. I am wondering what today and tomorrow will bring yet. I am totally confused now about the Casey/Zenaida thing. the more I hear and read the worse I am confused. IMO

[Notknowingall]

I am sure the vigil tonight will be on NG. Cindy says she is going to it. I am wondering what today and tomorrow will bring yet. I am totally confused now about the Casey/Zenaida thing. the more I hear and read the worse I am confused. IMO

I can only imagine how frustrated LE must be feeling.

[rosejustrose]

I can only imagine how frustrated LE must be feeling.


IMO it's a darn shame that someone can't throttle Casey until she finally tells one iota of truth. LE must be totally frustrated knowing that the one person with the real answers is in custody and not talking. :cuss:

[rosejustrose]

Thanks for posting that link fep .. hadn't read it before in such detail .. oh my, the lies she told that LE Officer!

imo

After reading the officer's report, I really dread the outcome of this case. Poor little Caylee.

[Notknowingall]

IMO it's a darn shame that someone can't throttle Casey until she finally tells one iota of truth. LE must be totally frustrated knowing that the one person with the real answers is in custody and not talking. :cuss:

I am in full agreement with you there. I think it is time to take the gloves with this girl and treat her as if this were a murder investigation.

[SaraSidle]

I would just like to give her some truth serum. I cannot even imagine how frustrated LE is. I mean they may have the POI in custoday but may have to let her go free??????? :cuss:

[Notknowingall]

I would just like to give her some truth serum. I cannot even imagine how frustrated LE is. I mean they may have the POI in custoday but may have to let her go free??????? :cuss:

The good thing here Sara is that they did finally file formal charges against her that will allow them to keep her locked up until she goes to trial or posts bond (unlikely). IIRC they had until the 18th to do that or set her free.

[SaraSidle]

The good thing here Sara is that they did finally file formal charges against her that will allow them to keep her locked up until she goes to trial or posts bond (unlikely). IIRC they had until the 18th to do that or set her free.

I know Notknowingall If she did more that what she is charged with I want LE to be able to prove it and arrest her. And for her to get LWOP. We need some really compelling DNA evidence or for someone in the family to break. JMHO

[rosejustrose]

I know Notknowingall If she did more that what she is charged with I want LE to be able to prove it and arrest her. And for her to get LWOP. We need some really compelling DNA evidence or for someone in the family to break. JMHO

IMO, the family doesn't know anymore than LE and I think they have the same suspicions as LE. If it weren't for Cindy Anthony, I seriously doubt Casey would have ever reported Caylee missing. Both parents have voiced their doubts about Casey's "stories". Her father went as far as telling LE he thought she was withholding information. IMO, the Anthony family is just as frustrated as LE; knowing Casey has the needed information to find this little girl. Also, IMO, I think another of Casey's lies will be exposed tomorrow when Caylee isn't home for her birthday.

[SaraSidle]

IMO, the family doesn't know anymore than LE and I think they have the same suspicions as LE. If it weren't for Cindy Anthony, I seriously doubt Casey would have ever reported Caylee missing. Both parents have voiced their doubts about Casey's "stories". Her father went as far as telling LE he thought she was withholding information. IMO, the Anthony family is just as frustrated as LE; knowing Casey has the needed information to find this little girl. Also, IMO, I think another of Casey's lies will be exposed tomorrow when Caylee isn't home for her birthday.

I think that is true rose. especially when GM offers LE evidence and GP says Casey stole the gas and the gas cans. I am wondering if Caylee drowned in the pool accidentally if LE may be looking for pool chemicals in Casey's clothes?

[grneyes]

After reading the officer's report, I really dread the outcome of this case. Poor little Caylee.

I know what you mean, I'm afraid of what I might see every time I click on the link to this thread. :(

[SaraSidle]

I know what you mean, I'm afraid of what I might see every time I click on the link to this thread. :(

And tomorrow is her birthday!!!!!!!!! NG said the results of the DNA tests taken from the trunk will be done any minute. IMO

[One2Snoop]

August 8, 2008

Theory Suggests Caylee Anthony Drowned In Family Pool

http://www.wftv.com/news/17136493/detail.html

If drowing in the pool is the case, it seems to me Casey would be in alot less trouble legally had she fessed up in the beginning, but something tells me there's more to this - why back the car up to the garage and why borrow the neighbors shovel? :shrug:

From reading the article, it appears the dive teams are wasting their time and should be looking for a shallow grave somewhere instead. IMO. :confused:

[rosejustrose]

If drowing in the pool is the case, it seems to me Casey would be in alot less trouble legally had she fessed up in the beginning, but something tells me there's more to this - why back the car up to the garage and why borrow the neighbors shovel? :shrug:

From reading the article, it appears the dive teams are wasting their time and should be looking for a shallow grave somewhere instead. IMO. :confused:


ITA. Accidental drownings of young, curious children happen all too often, but, they usually get written up as a tragic accident. IMO, those flurry of unanswered calls to her parents were seeking their help. Casey just doesn't seem like the type of person who would own up to their mistakes. IMO, she couldn't get her parents and panicked, concocting the series of lies she's told since. I also agree that FDLE/FBI should be looking for a shallow grave somewhere else but not too far. One hour isn't a lot of time to travel, dig, bury, and return. This whole situation is just so frustrating. JMO.

[Its just me]

:rose: Happy Birthday to Caylee where ever she is...Happy Birthday to my grandson and I'm so humbly thankful I know where he is. Sincere Prayers Caylee will be found soon. fep

[SaraSidle]

ITA. Accidental drownings of young, curious children happen all too often, but, they usually get written up as a tragic accident. IMO, those flurry of unanswered calls to her parents were seeking their help. Casey just doesn't seem like the type of person who would own up to their mistakes. IMO, she couldn't get her parents and panicked, concocting the series of lies she's told since. I also agree that FDLE/FBI should be looking for a shallow grave somewhere else but not too far. One hour isn't a lot of time to travel, dig, bury, and return. This whole situation is just so frustrating. JMO.

I totally agree rose. but she also could have been weighed down in the water near her house if she was going to use the carjacking story. what I am confused about is the decomp smell and the time line?!?!?!?!??

Happy Birthday Caylee:rose:

[grneyes]

Happy Birthday Caylee. Wherever you are I just hope you aren't in any pain.

[rosejustrose]

Are there any updates out of Florida today? Seems like it would be the perfect time for Casey to give her daughter the most precious of birthday gifts - - the truth.

For each year, Caylee :rose::rose::rose:

[SaraSidle]

Are there any updates out of Florida today? Seems like it would be the perfect time for Casey to give her daughter the most precious of birthday gifts - - the truth.

For each year, Caylee :rose::rose::rose:

rose I have been watching cnn all day and have not seen a thing. You know about the show that comes on tonight at 9pmest with Greta?

[rosejustrose]

rose I have been watching cnn all day and have not seen a thing. You know about the show that comes on tonight at 9pmest with Greta?

No, Sara, I didn't know about that. I'll check it out. I just wish that evil witch of a mom would tell the truth. This is truely heartbreaking.

For little Caylee:rose::rose::rose:

[SaraSidle]

No, Sara, I didn't know about that. I'll check it out. I just wish that evil witch of a mom would tell the truth. This is truely heartbreaking.

For little Caylee:rose::rose::rose:

ITA rose. If you watch let me know what happens if it is new please. My DH and his nephew are watching DIE HARD

[Karin]

ITA rose. If you watch let me know what happens if it is new please. My DH and his nephew are watching DIE HARD

does DH mean dumb husband?

[Its just me]

does DH mean dumb husband?

Hi Karin...For me...at times DH may mean dumb husband...and other times it means dear husband. ;) It just depends. A time or two I think I remember it meaning dumbass husband but on the flip side I remember Darling husband. :) My interpatation anyway and trust me I've gotten some very wrong. Good night. fep

[SaraSidle]

Hi Karin...For me...at times DH may mean dumb husband...and other times it means dear husband. ;) It just depends. A time or two I think I remember it meaning dumbass husband but on the flip side I remember Darling husband. :) My interpatation anyway and trust me I've gotten some very wrong. Good night. fep

What fep said Karin exactly!!!!!!!! thanks fep

[Its just me]

rose I have been watching cnn all day and have not seen a thing. You know about the show that comes on tonight at 9pmest with Greta?

I missed all but a tad of Greta tonight but there may be a transcript or video on the Fox website. Will look tomorrow.
It may have been on the tad I saw of Greta ?? but I did hear it explained that Casey was not "seen" by the family after June 16th until Cindy couldn't get any sense out of Casey on the phone about the where abouts of Caylee so Cindy went out and found Casey. After Casey was found and still nothing clear about the location of Caylee...Cindy made the first 911 call.
I'm sorry I don't have a link and this is only from my memory of what I was half watching. I welcome any corrections. fep

[SaraSidle]

I missed all but a tad of Greta tonight but there may be a transcript or video on the Fox website. Will look tomorrow.
It may have been on the tad I saw of Greta ?? but I did hear it explained that Casey was not "seen" by the family after June 16th until Cindy couldn't get any sense out of Casey on the phone about the where abouts of Caylee so Cindy went out and found Casey. After Casey was found and still nothing clear about the location of Caylee...Cindy made the first 911 call.
I'm sorry I don't have a link and this is only from my memory of what I was half watching. I welcome any corrections. fep

Thanks fep. I did not know the above and that is helpful.

[One2Snoop]

Hi Karin...For me...at times DH may mean dumb husband...and other times it means dear husband. ;) It just depends. A time or two I think I remember it meaning dumbass husband but on the flip side I remember Darling husband. :) My interpatation anyway and trust me I've gotten some very wrong. Good night. fep

I always thought it meant "darling husband" but I guess it would all depend on the context of what was being discussed. LOL :biggrin: :tongue:

[Karin]

Hi Karin...For me...at times DH may mean dumb husband...and other times it means dear husband. ;) It just depends. A time or two I think I remember it meaning dumbass husband but on the flip side I remember Darling husband. :) My interpatation anyway and trust me I've gotten some very wrong. Good night. fep

I guess me thinking DH means dumb husband can easily describe my frame of mind right now...haha!

[Its just me]

Thanks fep. I did not know the above and that is helpful.

I hope I have that right and I think I do about them not seeing Casey. I'm also pretty sure it said Casey was living most of the time with a guy?? from the 16th until Cindy found her and brought her home. I'm also thinking he never saw Caylee. I'm too sleepy to hunt for this information to put what is what together. I'm running on memory and posted in case others can help with the time line. Good night Sara. fep

[Its just me]

I guess me thinking DH means dumb husband can easily describe my frame of mind right now...haha!

Too Too funny. I know my frame of mind depends on what it means. :D but there are more Dear and Darlings..I think. HaHa. He is a sweetheart most of the time. fep

[grneyes]

I always thought it meant "darling husband" but I guess it would all depend on the context of what was being discussed. LOL :biggrin: :tongue:

There are a few other words that can replace my dear husband sometimes. Depends on if he makes me mad or not. ;)

[SaraSidle]

I hope I have that right and I think I do about them not seeing Casey. I'm also pretty sure it said Casey was living most of the time with a guy?? from the 16th until Cindy found her and brought her home. I'm also thinking he never saw Caylee. I'm too sleepy to hunt for this information to put what is what together. I'm running on memory and posted in case others can help with the time line. Good night Sara. fep

Good night fep and thanks again.

Karin and One2Snoop I always used to think it meant Darling Husband until tonight. Here they are saying they want to watch Die Hard and they talk men stuff non stop through the whole movie. I am quite sure they have no idea what they watched. LOL so I ignored them and burned up the keyboard

[Its just me]

I always thought it meant "darling husband" but I guess it would all depend on the context of what was being discussed. LOL :biggrin: :tongue:

Your still young Snoop...when you get old it means dumb husband some days no matter what is being said. Hahaha JK JK :D

[dcrc]

Does anyone know if pinging Casey cell phone while she was missing has been done by the police? I thought that the police could get records from the cell phone provided to trace a person whereabouts from pinging a cell phone. I haven't heard anything about this.

I thought in the Melissa Duckett case that the police were about to trace where she has been just days after her son went missing by pinging her cell phone. Not that it helped to find her little son.

I think that Casey had a cell phone with her because she sent txt and called her mother.

[SaraSidle]

Does anyone know if pinging Casey cell phone while she was missing has been done by the police? I thought that the police could get records from the cell phone provided to trace a person whereabouts from pinging a cell phone. I haven't heard anything about this.

I thought in the Melissa Duckett case that the police were about to trace where she has been just days after her son went missing by pinging her cell phone. Not that it helped to find her little son.

I think that Casey had a cell phone with her because she sent txt and called her mother.

dcrc Welcome to the thread. This is a very good question and I have wondered about it quite a few times but I have never seen it on NG or GVS or read about it in a link. I would think that would be very important. IMO

[dcrc]

dcrc Welcome to the thread. This is a very good question and I have wondered about it quite a few times but I have never seen it on NG or GVS or read about it in a link. I would think that would be very important. IMO

Thank you for the welcome. I hope that NG or GVS will answer this question.

Personally, if Casey did murder her child then disposed of her little body, I don't think she will be found in a shallow grave. Casey would have had to dig a shallow grave with her hands and I just don't believe she did, not in the middle of summer. I think she went to an isolated area then carried the child a short distance and left her, IMO. I'm still praying little Caylee will be found alive and well. Bless her sweet little heart:rose:

[rosejustrose]

ITA rose. If you watch let me know what happens if it is new please. My DH and his nephew are watching DIE HARD

I missed all but a tad of Greta tonight but there may be a transcript or video on the Fox website. Will look tomorrow.
It may have been on the tad I saw of Greta ?? but I did hear it explained that Casey was not "seen" by the family after June 16th until Cindy couldn't get any sense out of Casey on the phone about the where abouts of Caylee so Cindy went out and found Casey. After Casey was found and still nothing clear about the location of Caylee...Cindy made the first 911 call.
I'm sorry I don't have a link and this is only from my memory of what I was half watching. I welcome any corrections. fep


I was watching but I had some company so I was half paying attention. ItsJustMe has it right. That's what I came away with, too. Her parents had been trying to find her since June 16th. She was evasive with her mother about where Caylee was. Her mother finally contacted one of her friends who knew where Casey was and her mother went and got her. That's when she finally told her mother Caylee had been "taken" by the "nanny". Her mother then called LE. The guy that Casey had been staying with said that at no time did Casey indicate that Caylee was endangered and made up stories about her being at the beach and such. It was made pretty clear that Caylee was gone over one month by the time LE was notified. It is not looking very good for that sweet baby. IMO.

[rosejustrose]

Does anyone know if pinging Casey cell phone while she was missing has been done by the police? I thought that the police could get records from the cell phone provided to trace a person whereabouts from pinging a cell phone. I haven't heard anything about this.

I thought in the Melissa Duckett case that the police were about to trace where she has been just days after her son went missing by pinging her cell phone. Not that it helped to find her little son.

I think that Casey had a cell phone with her because she sent txt and called her mother.

Welcome! I think the police have her phone records because they did release information that the call Casey claims to have received from the nanny and Caylee on July 15th never happened. IMO, Casey disposed of Caylee on or about June 16th. I believe that Caylee will not be found until Casey starts telling the truth. Some said earlier that waterboard torture would be acceptable in this case and I totally agree. That woman Casey is heartless. JMO.

[Its just me]

Saturday, August 09, 2008

Caylee Marie Anthony Disappearance Timeline

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/17/caylee_marie_anthony_disappearance_timeline.html (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/17/caylee_marie_anthony_disappearance_timeline.html)

Thanks Odette. Below is a witness saying he heard Caylee in the background while talking to Casey. If this is true it kind of shoots a hole in the theory that Caylee drowned in the pool on the 16th. The last time Caylee was at the home of the grandparent. IIRC. I want to find when Casey returned home without Caylee and the dad found the gas cans in the car. I had posted that neither Caylee or Casey had been back home after he 16th but I was not thinking about the gas can incident. ?? My computer is acting ugly and Greta doesn't want to load.

June 24 or June 25: Detective Corp. Yuri Melich testified during Casey Anthony's bond hearing that a witness came forward who said he had talked to Casey on the phone on either June 24 or June 25 and that he heard Caylee in the background. The witness said that at one point in the conversation Casey told Caylee to get down from the table.

[dan_uk]

hi,im a first time poster from over here in the uk,

been trying to follow this on fox news when its been on tv and through the updates on here so thanks for the updates.
i was wondering is it possible that casey dumped caylee at alligator alley?
i dont know florida at all so dont know how far it is from caylees home to alligator alley and i heard about alligator alley from another case

[rosejustrose]

Thanks Odette. Below is a witness saying he heard Caylee in the background while talking to Casey. If this is true it kind of shoots a hole in the theory that Caylee drowned in the pool on the 16th. The last time Caylee was at the home of the grandparent. IIRC. I want to find when Casey returned home without Caylee and the dad found the gas cans in the car. I had posted that neither Caylee or Casey had been back home after he 16th but I was not thinking about the gas can incident. ?? My computer is acting ugly and Greta doesn't want to load.

June 24 or June 25: Detective Corp. Yuri Melich testified during Casey Anthony's bond hearing that a witness came forward who said he had talked to Casey on the phone on either June 24 or June 25 and that he heard Caylee in the background. The witness said that at one point in the conversation Casey told Caylee to get down from the table.

What I've been wondering is where did Casey's parents think she worked. Her father said he last saw her on the 16th of June when she claimed to be dropping Caylee off with a sitter and then heading to work. Her parents have also said she took gas before because she never had any money. WTH, did she work or not, did they believe she had a job? I feel for her parents because I think they are in denial. They want to believe the best of their daughter but even they have to realize what a habitual liar she is and that she most likely is responsible for Caylee's disappearance. Such a frustrating case. Why won't she just reveal the truth? JMHO.

[Brainstorm]

What I've been wondering is where did Casey's parents think she worked. Her father said he last saw her on the 16th of June when she claimed to be dropping Caylee off with a sitter and then heading to work. Her parents have also said she took gas before because she never had any money. WTH, did she work or not, did they believe she had a job? I feel for her parents because I think they are in denial. They want to believe the best of their daughter but even they have to realize what a habitual liar she is and that she most likely is responsible for Caylee's disappearance. Such a frustrating case. Why won't she just reveal the truth? JMHO.


Good points, rose, ITA.

This little self centered b/i/t/c/h needs to be fessing up.
I believe there should be some truth serum used, in cases like this,when a child is missing under such strange circumstances.IMO, she has NO RIGHTS, till the child is found.IMOO

[Its just me]

. . . http://i36.tinypic.com/2lm1bb5.jpg (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/09/caylee-anthony-timeline/)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/09/caylee-anthony-timeline/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/09/caylee-anthony-timeline/)


Notes taken while watching video of Greta's timeline.

June 18th. Neighbor saw Casey back car up in the driveway. Borrowed a shovel

June 24th. Casey comes home without Caylee and Dad sees the gas cans in the trunk of car. IIRC the dad stated at some point there was no smell in the car when he recovered the gas cans which had been reported stolen.

June 27th: The car was abandoned at a business by Casey.

June 30th: The car was towed.

July 15th: The parents receive a registered letter about the car being towed. The go get the car. They track down Casey and bring her home. Casey had not been seen by the parents since June 24th when Dad found the gas cans. Cindy can not get information for Casey about Caylee's where abouts and there is the smell in the car...Cindy begins the 3 911 calls.
__________________

I have 2 questions: When did Casey go partying and pictures were made. Is the witness who came forward telling the truth about hearing Caylee June 24/25 in the background when he spoke with Casey on the phone. fep

[rosejustrose]

Notes taken while watching video of Greta's timeline.

June 18th. Neighbor saw Casey back car up in the driveway. Borrowed a shovel

June 24th. Casey comes home without Caylee and Dad sees the gas cans in the trunk of car. IIRC the dad stated at some point there was no smell in the car when he recovered the gas cans which had been reported stolen.

June 27th: The car was abandoned at a business by Casey.

June 30th: The car was towed.

July 15th: The parents receive a registered letter about the car being towed. The go get the car. They track down Casey and bring her home. Casey had not been seen by the parents since June 24th when Dad found the gas cans. Cindy can not get information for Casey about Caylee's where abouts and there is the smell in the car...Cindy begins the 3 911 calls.
__________________

I have 2 questions: When did Casey go partying and pictures were made. Is the witness who came forward telling the truth about hearing Caylee June 24/25 in the background when he spoke with Casey on the phone. fep


Those are great questions, Its Just Me. Who knows what Casey did between 16 June and the time her mother outed her. IMO, the poor little child was dead before the 17th of June and only the sick b/i/t/c/h (as Brainstorm so aptly put it) that she called mom can solve this case. I truly believe we are dealing with a mentaly challenged individual. Not insane. Just unbelievable. Her lies, her sense of self and everything about her scream guilty. I only hope there's one shred of decency left in her that will tell the truth. I'd give my eye teeth to be in a room with her for five minutes no holds barred. JMHO.

[rosejustrose]

Your still young Snoop...when you get old it means dumb husband some days no matter what is being said. Hahaha JK JK :D

Let's not add humor to this thread or it's likely to be moved, if you know what I mean.:patriot:

[Its just me]

Notes taken while watching video of Greta's timeline.

June 18th. Neighbor saw Casey back car up in the driveway. Borrowed a shovel

June 24th. Casey comes home without Caylee and Dad sees the gas cans in the trunk of car. IIRC the dad stated at some point there was no smell in the car when he recovered the gas cans which had been reported stolen.

June 27th: The car was abandoned at a business by Casey.

June 30th: The car was towed.

July 15th: The parents receive a registered letter about the car being towed. The go get the car. They track down Casey and bring her home. Casey had not been seen by the parents since June 24th when Dad found the gas cans. Cindy can not get information for Casey about Caylee's where abouts and there is the smell in the car...Cindy begins the 3 911 calls.
__________________

I have 2 questions: When did Casey go partying and pictures were made. Is the witness who came forward telling the truth about hearing Caylee June 24/25 in the background when he spoke with Casey on the phone. fep

Notes taken while watching video of Greta's timeline.

June 18th. Neighbor saw Casey back car up in the driveway. Borrowed a shovel

Adding June 20th to time line
June 20th: Casey was out partying with friends when photo's were taken

June 24th. Casey comes home without Caylee and Dad sees the gas cans in the trunk of car. IIRC the dad stated at some point there was no smell in the car when he recovered the gas cans which had been reported stolen.

June 27th: The car was abandoned at a business by Casey.

June 30th: The car was towed.

July 15th: The parents receive a registered letter about the car being towed. The go get the car. They track down Casey and bring her home. Casey had not been seen by the parents since June 24th when Dad found the gas cans. Cindy can not get information for Casey about Caylee's where abouts and there is the smell in the car...Cindy begins the 3 911 calls.
__________________

I have question: Is the witness who came forward telling the truth about hearing Caylee June 24/25 in the background when he spoke with Casey on the phone. fep

[Its just me]

Let's not add humor to this thread or it's likely to be moved, if you know what I mean.:patriot:

Yea.... You coming in loud and clear rose. ;)
Wonder where this one might go. I think it was just one or two mad ol' sour puss' that don't have any humor in their entire soul that caused the other thread to be moved. :biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

fep thanks for all the information. I believe that person who said he heard Caylee backtracked and admitted he thought Caylee was with Casey because he heard Casey tell Caylee to get off the table.he says as he recalls he never did hear her voice. Now I do not have a link because I have been glue to NG and GVS all last week on the tube and it looks like I will be again this week so a lot of information is only in my head. I am sorry I cannot give you links and I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I had company all day. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Hello dan-uk. Welcome to Crime Library and the Caylee thread.

dan at this point it is anybody's theory where Caylee is;
she may have drowned in the pool
she may have been buried
she may have been murdered
she may be alive.

your best bet is to watch fox (that is what I do) and lurk at websites. Or join them like this one. Any opinion you have is good to post because we are all reaching to find something tangible. The DNA evidence that is being tested may or may not solve this. I do not believe Casey will tell us what she knows. I agree with Brainstorm on the truth serum wholehearedly. IMO

[dan_uk]

casey has turned down another visit from her family

[dan_uk]

Hello dan-uk. Welcome to Crime Library and the Caylee thread.

dan at this point it is anybody's theory where Caylee is;
she may have drowned in the pool
she may have been buried
she may have been murdered
she may be alive.

your best bet is to watch fox (that is what I do) and lurk at websites. Or join them like this one. Any opinion you have is good to post because we are all reaching to find something tangible. The DNA evidence that is being tested may or may not solve this. I do not believe Casey will tell us what she knows. I agree with Brainstorm on the truth serum wholehearedly. IMOthanks for the welcome sara

could casey of killed her by accident and is to scared to admit what shes done

[SaraSidle]

thanks for the welcome sara

could casey of killed her by accident and is to scared to admit what shes done

most definitely dan. and she panicked. one on of the shows it was mentioned there was a flurry of calls to mom and dad at work and their cell phone with no answers and they stopped for two hours and started up again. I believe that was June 16. Many think something bad had happened to Caylee and Casey was calling mom and dad in a panic instead of 911 IMO:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

thanks for the info dan. I am wondering if Casey's brother or parents are going to start giving us more information the less they see of her and the more time goes on. I think for a few days they were counting on her coming home yesterday her birthday cause that is what Casey told them. THey have got to be heartbroken at this stage. IMO

[dan_uk]

bet caseys keeping her mouth shut and hoping this will all go away and people will forget about it

[dan_uk]

thanks for the info dan. I am wondering if Casey's brother or parents are going to start giving us more information the less they see of her and the more time goes on. I think for a few days they were counting on her coming home yesterday her birthday cause that is what Casey told them. THey have got to be heartbroken at this stage. IMOi think the grandparents know more than they are saying

[SaraSidle]

i think the grandparents know more than they are saying

I agree but I do not think they know the whole thing just by their composure. IMO

[dan_uk]

just wish the police would hurry up with the dna results and lets see casey try and lie her way out it then

[SaraSidle]

Many of us feel that way dan. This has become quite the national story and is on 2 news shows a night. fox and cnn. I am watching CNN and no news yet except the cancelled visit. LE cancelled it this afternoon and the visit was for 9 pm. I think Casey is very angry at Dad for telling about the gas cans and mom for giving LE the clothes. Just a guess. I am also wondering if the lawyer told her not to talk to family any more. ???? IMO

[Its just me]

Glad to see you posting Dan and thanks for the info that the visits have been cancelled.

Thank you Sara for the info on the witness retracting he heard Caylee in the background while he was talking to Casey. Things certainly makes better sense if that didn't happen. I think the calls to the mom and dad with no answer could be a clue to when something happened to Caylee..and if it happened before the calls started it makes more sense for it to have been some kind of accident..which I'm thinking drowning in the pool from neglect of Casey keeping a close watch on her. Sad and just a thought of a possibility. This is gross but I'm wondering how a death on the 16th would fit in with the smell in the car that had to have gotten in the car between the 24 when gas cans were found in trunk by Dad and 27th when Casey abandoned the car.

It's clear Casey has some kind of problem..Lying is the worst. If there is not some kind of (serious) mental disorder...she needs her spirit broken and not allowed to be in control. After she cancelled my visits I'd play her game and she would be begging before she heard from me again. The parents and brother are in a difficult situation but sometimes Parents have to practice Tuff love. The only way to break a wild horse is to gain control of it. MHOO fep

[lighthousedazy]

Fep, you are so right about the tough love. I was watching Nancy Grace Weekend tonight and they reported that Casey may have posed as the baby sitter when she went to look at those apartments. They said the Sheriff Dept. went back to the Anthony home today for a 3rd time collecting forensic evidence. (I feel sort of dumb, sometimes Nancy is a repeat on the weekends, but they seemed to be live tonight.) :confused:

[One2Snoop]

This is gross but I'm wondering how a death on the 16th would fit in with the smell in the car that had to have gotten in the car between the 24 when gas cans were found in trunk by Dad and 27th when Casey abandoned the car.

Is it possible she took the gas cans in hopes of covering up the decomposing smell? Just taking the caps off would emit enough gas smell in my opinion. Maybe she decided that wasn't working out and thats when she decided to dump the car? :shrug:

When her father reported the gas cans missing, did he say if they were full or not? And what about when he found them, were they empty, full?

[lighthousedazy]

Is it possible she took the gas cans in hopes of covering up the decomposing smell? Just taking the caps off would emit enough gas smell in my opinion. Maybe she decided that wasn't working out and thats when she decided to dump the car? :shrug:

When her father reported the gas cans missing, did he say if they were full or not? And what about when he found them, were they empty, full?My son accidently spilled gasoline on the leather seat of a Buick and in the trunk. With all the cleaning and airing out that gas smell is still there after one year, but imo gas would not mask the smell of decomp. In my opinion that is what Casey was trying for. :(

[SaraSidle]

Glad to see you posting Dan and thanks for the info that the visits have been cancelled.

Thank you Sara for the info on the witness retracting he heard Caylee in the background while he was talking to Casey. Things certainly makes better sense if that didn't happen. I think the calls to the mom and dad with no answer could be a clue to when something happened to Caylee..and if it happened before the calls started it makes more sense for it to have been some kind of accident..which I'm thinking drowning in the pool from neglect of Casey keeping a close watch on her. Sad and just a thought of a possibility. This is gross but I'm wondering how a death on the 16th would fit in with the smell in the car that had to have gotten in the car between the 24 when gas cans were found in trunk by Dad and 27th when Casey abandoned the car.

It's clear Casey has some kind of problem..Lying is the worst. If there is not some kind of (serious) mental disorder...she needs her spirit broken and not allowed to be in control. After she cancelled my visits I'd play her game and she would be begging before she heard from me again. The parents and brother are in a difficult situation but sometimes Parents have to practice Tuff love. The only way to break a wild horse is to gain control of it. MHOO fep

fep I think you are really close. Some think the cans were used to burn the body if there was one to make an identity harder. And there is the smell theory or set the car on fire theory to hide the smell. I wish we knew if the cans were empty when found in the trunk. And fep the decomposition smell is my biggest problem with the time line. it really has me stuck.

Lighthousedazy I watched Greta also and I am thinking it was live also. but it was hard to tell I agree. Lots of rehashing IMO

[SaraSidle]

I forgot to add to the above post I think someone in the family is going to start to crack very soon especially with no visits. I think your idea is good fep and I am thinking that the lawyer does not her to talk to them anyways with all the publicity. Also I have heard the theory that Casey left her in the hot car too long while she was shopping. unk if any above is true IMO

[Its just me]

Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:45:32 PM

Casey Cancels Parents' Visit

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/10/casey_anthony39s_parents_plan_another_jail_visit.h tml


Thanks Odette for all the links...they are extremely helpful putting things together.

The lawyer may have told Casey to cancel the visits because it seems every time she opens her mouth another incriminating lie pops out. If she keeps talking she may eventually solve the case herself.

I can't remember the words but I had the impression the gas cans were empty when discovered in the car. There was some mention that Casey had run out of gas because the gas gauge did not work. :shrug: Could be another lie but it does point to the cans being empty. IIRC one was a
2-1/2 gallon and the other was 1 plus gallon. If the Dad is telling the truth there was no decomp smell in the trunk on June 24th when he got the cans. Just trying to piece things together. fep

[dan_uk]

thanks for the welcome ijm,

heard she only gets 3 visits aweek so you would think she would make the most of the visits and not cancel them.the smell in the car came from moving the body and she used the gas to burn the body but that didnt work so buried the body instead and thats where the spade comes in

[ladybugg1]

Casey Marie Anthony
mother of Caylee Marie Anthony
daughter of Cindy Anthony & George Anthony [ x-sheriff of Warren ohio]

Brother Lee Anthony
Cindy's dad lives in the nursing home that Caylee had a video made of her.


:chicken:
Ok so far;

Casey says
"She is close to home"
"I don't know where the F she is"
"She is Safe"

" Zenaida Fernando Gonzalez her babysitter stole her"

"I've been trying to find her myself ,that was stupid'

"I dropped her off at the babysitters "

The apartment has not been used for many months ,
so how could she have done that?

She swiped her mother's credit cards used them, & drank and partied for a month?

She left a smelly fly infested car in a lot hoping somebody would steal it .

her mom Cindy blamed the horrible stinky smell on rotted PIZZA.

My thought is that the body[ IF there was one] was at some point on the pizza and garbage bag making it attract flies.

So contrary to belief in that case I think flies would lay maggots on the stuff on the pizza.
But pizza alone?
I have had flies land on a piece of pizza and I threw it away.
they never infested it?

The father has been off with his last saw them together dates?

No pals have come forward to say yes I saw her putting Caylee down for a nap.Or I saw her getting her ready for a bath.
I saw her feeding her or any motherly things.
Somebody has to come forward who helped her watch Caylee.
THERE never was a babysitter,
if there was
it was the car.
The PONTIAC where Caylee was no doubt stashed.

This car is not " Christine "

Casey made her live in the car while she did her partying.
So if anything happened it happened in the car.
Was Caylee potty trianed?

If not I think Casey had a short fuse and not wanting to get messed up cleaning her up.
Or potty training her.
plus Caylee was very close to Cindy so Casey was jealous maybe?

So many lies!

[ladybugg1]

thanks for the welcome sara

could casey of killed her by accident and is to scared to admit what shes done



I doubt this CASEY is afraid of anybody or anything.

[INGASON14]

Thanks Odette for all the links...they are extremely helpful putting things together.

The lawyer may have told Casey to cancel the visits because it seems every time she opens her mouth another incriminating lie pops out. If she keeps talking she may eventually solve the case herself.

I can't remember the words but I had the impression the gas cans were empty when discovered in the car. There was some mention that Casey had run out of gas because the gas gauge did not work. :shrug: Could be another lie but it does point to the cans being empty. IIRC one was a
2-1/2 gallon and the other was 1 plus gallon. If the Dad is telling the truth there was no decomp smell in the trunk on June 24th when he got the cans. Just trying to piece things together. fep

Now that is a good point. If dad did get the gas cans out of the trunk snd did not smell decomp, then were was Caylee at this time. Was she still safe and then when Cindy found the car, the smell of decomp in the car then. This tells me that Caylee may not be alive no matter how much I want her to be.


***this is my opinion

[SaraSidle]

Now that is a good point. If dad did get the gas cans out of the trunk snd did not smell decomp, then were was Caylee at this time. Was she still safe and then when Cindy found the car, the smell of decomp in the car then. This tells me that Caylee may not be alive no matter how much I want her to be.


***this is my opinion

I am wondering if there was no smell when GP got the gas cans out of the truck -after that maybe Casey moved Caylee somewhere else causing the car to smell. IMO

[dan_uk]

a psychic is joining the search

[applesandorange]

Hi I am a new poster but have read this thread entirely. I agree that Casey is the cause of what happened to Caylee. Either directly or indirectly. The point of the car being used as a babysitter is most likely true. What if Caylee somehow got out of the car while Casey was partying and Casey doesn't know exactly what happened to her? Casey would have been afraid to tell anyone because she would be in trouble for leaving Caylee alone.

Something else that I have wondered about is why none of the family has made pleas to the kidapper for the return of Caylee. Usually when a child goes missing there are pleas made for the return. I haven't seen the family do this. Maybe I missed it. It just seems strange to me that they didn't do that. Almost like they knew nobody took her or has her.

ITA truth serum should be used in this case.

[applesandorange]

a psychic is joining the search



Psychics have been used to solve some cold cases. I hope they can help with this. IMO I wouldn't waste a psychics time. I would get the truth from Casey by any mean necessary.

[dan_uk]

theres nothing to lose by trying the psychic and it could work

[applesandorange]

Yes you are right Dan. At this point anything is worth a try. I hope it is a legitimate pshychic and not someone who already has their own theory of what has happened.

[Its just me]

Hi I am a new poster but have read this thread entirely. I agree that Casey is the cause of what happened to Caylee. Either directly or indirectly. The point of the car being used as a babysitter is most likely true. What if Caylee somehow got out of the car while Casey was partying and Casey doesn't know exactly what happened to her? Casey would have been afraid to tell anyone because she would be in trouble for leaving Caylee alone.

Something else that I have wondered about is why none of the family has made pleas to the kidapper for the return of Caylee. Usually when a child goes missing there are pleas made for the return. I haven't seen the family do this. Maybe I missed it. It just seems strange to me that they didn't do that. Almost like they knew nobody took her or has her.

ITA truth serum should be used in this case.

Hi A/O Welcome and thanks for postings. I don't recall the family making a plea for Caylee to be returned either but I have missed a lot of coverage too. Your post make me think....To my knowledge not one person has come forward to say they baby sat during the time frame from June 16th until the mom found Casey. Where was Caylee when Casey come by to pick up some things and the Dad found the gas cans..July 24th. I think they are doing a new kind of test on the car...it has to do with gases that a decomp body will leave. I wonder if this could be because the first test of the material found in the car didn't show any results.

Good point about something happening if Caylee was left alone in the car and if she did not die soon after the last time she was reported seen, June 16th, I feel she was left in the car some. I'm sorry but the girl doesn't seem to have a brain in her head and the case is so confussing I don't think I have one either.

The Mom made a statement at the end of week-end interview with Greta that people were thinking bad things about Casey now but when the truth comes out Casey will be admired by being willing to go thru what she did to protect Caylee. :shrug: I thought "Drama" but maybe... just maybe there is some truth there but I don't believe it right now.

[Its just me]

Now that is a good point. If dad did get the gas cans out of the trunk snd did not smell decomp, then were was Caylee at this time. Was she still safe and then when Cindy found the car, the smell of decomp in the car then. This tells me that Caylee may not be alive no matter how much I want her to be.


***this is my opinion

That is what the Mom and Dad told..there was no smell when the Dad removed the gas cans from the trunk on June 24th. I don't know what to think...the cavadar dogs hit/alerted (there is a difference but I can't explain) in the back yard. A second team of dogs were brought in to go over the back yard also. No doubt the LE considered Caylee being buried there at some point or maybe I should say it was something they could not rule out and was normal to bring in the dogs. Prayers Caylee will be found what ever the circumstance she is gone. fep

[INGASON14]

Hi A/O Welcome and thanks for postings. I don't recall the family making a plea for Caylee to be returned either but I have missed a lot of coverage too. Your post make me think....To my knowledge not one person has come forward to say they baby sat during the time frame from June 16th until the mom found Casey. Where was Caylee when Casey come by to pick up some things and the Dad found the gas cans..July 24th. I think they are doing a new kind of test on the car...it has to do with gases that a decomp body will leave. I wonder if this could be because the first test of the material found in the car didn't show any results.

Good point about something happening if Caylee was left alone in the car and if she did not die soon after the last time she was reported seen, June 16th, I feel she was left in the car some. I'm sorry but the girl doesn't seem to have a brain in her head and the case is so confussing I don't think I have one either.

The Mom made a statement at the end of week-end interview with Greta that people were thinking bad things about Casey now but when the truth comes out Casey will be admired by being willing to go thru what she did to protect Caylee. :shrug: I thought "Drama" but maybe... just maybe there is some truth there but I don't believe it right now.

Good post and I can agree with that. Maybe that is why Casey is cancelling the meetings with family. She is being watched and anything she says and does could put Caylee in danger. I would love to see a happy ending but I am having doubts.


***This is my opinion

[applesandorange]

Hi A/O Welcome and thanks for postings. I don't recall the family making a plea for Caylee to be returned either but I have missed a lot of coverage too. Your post make me think....To my knowledge not one person has come forward to say they baby sat during the time frame from June 16th until the mom found Casey. Where was Caylee when Casey come by to pick up some things and the Dad found the gas cans..July 24th. I think they are doing a new kind of test on the car...it has to do with gases that a decomp body will leave. I wonder if this could be because the first test of the material found in the car didn't show any results.

Good point about something happening if Caylee was left alone in the car and if she did not die soon after the last time she was reported seen, June 16th, I feel she was left in the car some. I'm sorry but the girl doesn't seem to have a brain in her head and the case is so confussing I don't think I have one either.

The Mom made a statement at the end of week-end interview with Greta that people were thinking bad things about Casey now but when the truth comes out Casey will be admired by being willing to go thru what she did to protect Caylee. :shrug: I thought "Drama" but maybe... just maybe there is some truth there but I don't believe it right now.


Thanks for the welcome :) I have been wondering why LE hasn't told us the resluts to the DNA tests. We know the results are in. Maybe they are now believing what Casey is saying and trying to protect Caylee by not telling the public too much information. I hope that is the case but my gut says no. I think Casey is lying some more in the hopes of no evidence being found and she would get out of jail with minimal time.

[Ruzzty]

I'm sorry but I don't buy the drowning (accident) theory. If a parent finds their child in a pool, they will react. They will call 911 in hopes of getting the child breathing. They won't go and call their friends or family. Its drilled into every one of us that in an emergency, you dial 911. She had to eventually reach someone and they would tell her to dial 911. Its so basic and to use the excuse that she panicked and didn't think to dial 911 is unrealistic.

Look, we all would like to give a mother the benefit of the doubt (when possible) but we also must expect a small amount of responsibility from those entrusted with children. You don't just go and dispose of your child if harm has fallen upon them. You seek out help... neighbors, 911, anyone within earshot!!!

Whatever happened was no accident imo.

The grandparents get the cold shoulder and they blame themselves for their daughters behavior. (i.e. making excuses for the daughter - /sight)

[rosejustrose]

Thanks for the welcome :) I have been wondering why LE hasn't told us the resluts to the DNA tests. We know the results are in. Maybe they are now believing what Casey is saying and trying to protect Caylee by not telling the public too much information. I hope that is the case but my gut says no. I think Casey is lying some more in the hopes of no evidence being found and she would get out of jail with minimal time.

Welcome! I love your nic:)

Maybe they're not releasing the DNA results because they're working with the DA's office to file more severe charges against her based on those results:shrug: At this point, who knows. I can't imagine that Casey has such secretive, dangerous information that she won't tell LE. IMO, if someone Casey knows has her daughter, who better than LE to get her back. It makes absolutely no sense at all. If, and that's a big if at this point, someone does have Caylee, Casey's own actions put her in danger by waiting 31 days to report her missing, IMO. If she had notified LE immediately, there probably wouldn't be all the media drama there is. JMO.

[rosejustrose]

I'm sorry but I don't buy the drowning (accident) theory. If a parent finds their child in a pool, they will react. They will call 911 in hopes of getting the child breathing. They won't go and call their friends or family. Its drilled into every one of us that in an emergency, you dial 911. She had to eventually reach someone and they would tell her to dial 911. Its so basic and to use the excuse that she panicked and didn't think to dial 911 is unrealistic.

Look, we all would like to give a mother the benefit of the doubt (when possible) but we also must expect a small amount of responsibility from those entrusted with children. You don't just go and dispose of your child if harm has fallen upon them. You seek out help... neighbors, 911, anyone within earshot!!!

Whatever happened was no accident imo.

The grandparents get the cold shoulder and they blame themselves for their daughters behavior. (i.e. making excuses for the daughter - /sight)


I agree with you about calling 911 being an automatic action especially from the child of former LE. That makes me suspicious that is wasn't accidental. I think she hurt that child in anger or maybe she did leave her in the car in the heat. I just don't know what to make of Casey's actions. They are beyond belief just as every other word she utters is unbelievable. IMO, she's not taking visitors because she doesn't want to be video taped and she'll have no control over what is said or asked by the visitor. JMO.

[soccermom]

:seeya:Hello and I am new here :) Glad to find this amazing site and to have others to discuss about crimes/missing children etc... this going to be great.:D

I been following this story (On Nancy Grace) and this makes me so sick.


So i am curious any lastest news

[Its just me]

Hi Soccermom, Welcome. I have followed the 30 year old Tara Grinstead case since soon after she went missing Oct 2005. Things are slow with no information coming in so I've found myself attached to Caylee. I post on 3 boards for Tara and on one I read some of the Caylee board. This may be against the rules here at CL but I could not resist stealing the message Cindy posted on Myspace from someone's post...I believe it was KIO and the board has some great posts..I just don't have the time to join them. The message sheds some light on Casey's relationship with her Mom at the time she left with Caylee. Very sad and not surprising. fep

July 3 Cindy posted this on Myspace
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

[Its just me]

Welcome! I love your nic:)

Maybe they're not releasing the DNA results because they're working with the DA's office to file more severe charges against her based on those results:shrug: At this point, who knows. I can't imagine that Casey has such secretive, dangerous information that she won't tell LE. IMO, if someone Casey knows has her daughter, who better than LE to get her back. It makes absolutely no sense at all. If, and that's a big if at this point, someone does have Caylee, Casey's own actions put her in danger by waiting 31 days to report her missing, IMO. If she had notified LE immediately, there probably wouldn't be all the media drama there is. JMO.

Rose the last news article posted on the site I stole from :) said the DNA test results are not in yet and the LE are debating if they are going to make them public when they do get them. That was good news and getting the new tech testing does not mean the first tests did not confirm anything as I earlier suggested.

[dan_uk]

caseys myspace site is not going to be updated by her brother anymore because hes fed up with the abuse on there

[rosejustrose]

Hi Soccermom, Welcome. I have followed the 30 year old Tara Grinstead case since soon after she went missing Oct 2005. Things are slow with no information coming in so I've found myself attached to Caylee. I post on 3 boards for Tara and on one I read some of the Caylee board. This may be against the rules here at CL but I could not resist stealing the message Cindy posted on Myspace from someone's post...I believe it was KIO and the board has some great posts..I just don't have the time to join them. The message sheds some light on Casey's relationship with her Mom at the time she left with Caylee. Very sad and not surprising. fep

July 3 Cindy posted this on Myspace
Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?


She posted this on July 3, 2008. IIRC the police weren't notified Caylee was missing until July 15. If those dates are correct than Cindy knew or suspected something was dreadfully wrong two weeks before calling LE. In Cindy's posting she mentioned Casey was jealous - of who, her mom or her daughter? Thanks for posting this here ItsJustMe, it's very telling of the family dynamics. JMO.

[dan_uk]

found this from caylees dads mum

Here is a comment posted Submitted by zenaida ortiz, May 7, 2007 16:18
I respect the wishes of those parents who don't wish their children to have any contact with their grandparents. In some cases it is good. But for others like me, who only wants to see her grandchild but is constantly impeded by the other grandparent who has custody--it is not fair. And laws are to protect all grandparents. We cannot pick and chose who will benefit from grandparents rights or not. My situation is unique. The mother of my grandchild is mentally incapacited and her mother (the other grandmother) is a Jehova Witness and for some reason does not particularly want me to see my grandchild on a regular basis. There have been issues relating to the safety of the child because of the parent's emotional state and she has been violent and is under a doctor's care. I had the occasion of speaking with Child Welfare Bureau agency staff and so has my son who currently resides in Florida. I want to be a part of this child's life. She does know me and tells me she loves me. This relationship should not be taken away. My religion is different and I do not hold it against them. I feel I should be in her life so I can keep track of her and see for myself that she is being provided for in a loving, healthy manner. My grandchild needs to know she is also loved by the family of her father even though he cannot physically live in the area.

[dan_uk]

could caylees dads mum took caylee?

[SaraSidle]

Welcome Applesandorange!!!!!!!!!

[INGASON14]

could caylees dads mum took caylee?

Dan, I was under the impression that the other grandparents didn't even know they were grandparents.

[rosejustrose]

found this from caylees dads mum

Here is a comment posted Submitted by zenaida ortiz, May 7, 2007 16:18
I respect the wishes of those parents who don't wish their children to have any contact with their grandparents. In some cases it is good. But for others like me, who only wants to see her grandchild but is constantly impeded by the other grandparent who has custody--it is not fair. And laws are to protect all grandparents. We cannot pick and chose who will benefit from grandparents rights or not. My situation is unique. The mother of my grandchild is mentally incapacited and her mother (the other grandmother) is a Jehova Witness and for some reason does not particularly want me to see my grandchild on a regular basis. There have been issues relating to the safety of the child because of the parent's emotional state and she has been violent and is under a doctor's care. I had the occasion of speaking with Child Welfare Bureau agency staff and so has my son who currently resides in Florida. I want to be a part of this child's life. She does know me and tells me she loves me. This relationship should not be taken away. My religion is different and I do not hold it against them. I feel I should be in her life so I can keep track of her and see for myself that she is being provided for in a loving, healthy manner. My grandchild needs to know she is also loved by the family of her father even though he cannot physically live in the area.

Hi Dan! Where did you find this posted? Just curious because I thought Caylee's father was unknown. Also, the family of the dead ex-BF says that he never told them he had a child. Didn't I read somewhere that Casey has no history of mental illness and the CWB said they've never had any complaints or calls about Casey. JMHO.

[dan_uk]

Hi Dan! Where did you find this posted? Just curious because I thought Caylee's father was unknown. Also, the family of the dead ex-BF says that he never told them he had a child. Didn't I read somewhere that Casey has no history of mental illness and the CWB said they've never had any complaints or calls about Casey. JMHO.on here
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/TV8NHF2H0UT1ITEFJ

[dan_uk]

Dan, I was under the impression that the other grandparents didn't even know they were grandparents.not sure if they know or not

[dan_uk]

one of caseys myspace friends

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=687570

[loulou58]

My thoughts on this case change daily. At first I believed that she had harmed her child or even killed her...however, now I tend to think that she may have sold her or traded her. I think that the police were so SURE that Casey had harmed Caylee, and if there was evidence of Caylee being deceased in the trunk of that car they would have announced it immediately or charged her with murder. I am sure they have the DNA already, and I believe they did not get the results they expected so now it's a hush hush. With that being said and the fact that no one seen Caylee for several days before it was announced she was missing makes me think she sold her. I also think thats why she is so quite now. She seems quite sure that Cayless safe. And how could a mother feel so sure? Only if she knows who has her. It is illegal to sell or trade a child, so should they find out what really happened, she would be charged anyway. But if she sticks to her story and says nothing more that there is no proof that she was not kidnapped. Plus, I really think that if she was in the trunk of the car, she may have caved after they took DNA knowing she would be found out. And how else could she have money to shop and take vacations etc? People will pay big bucks for children. She probably kept it all a secret because she knew her parents would have a fit. Also if this is what happened, then the person who has her probably told her that if it gets out she would regret it or something. Seems logical to me, but doesnt explain the shovel, etc> So hopefully we will find something out soon?

[One2Snoop]

My thoughts on this case change daily. At first I believed that she had harmed her child or even killed her...however, now I tend to think that she may have sold her or traded her. I think that the police were so SURE that Casey had harmed Caylee, and if there was evidence of Caylee being deceased in the trunk of that car they would have announced it immediately or charged her with murder. I am sure they have the DNA already, and I believe they did not get the results they expected so now it's a hush hush. With that being said and the fact that no one seen Caylee for several days before it was announced she was missing makes me think she sold her. I also think thats why she is so quite now. She seems quite sure that Cayless safe. And how could a mother feel so sure? Only if she knows who has her. It is illegal to sell or trade a child, so should they find out what really happened, she would be charged anyway. But if she sticks to her story and says nothing more that there is no proof that she was not kidnapped. Plus, I really think that if she was in the trunk of the car, she may have caved after they took DNA knowing she would be found out. And how else could she have money to shop and take vacations etc? People will pay big bucks for children. She probably kept it all a secret because she knew her parents would have a fit. Also if this is what happened, then the person who has her probably told her that if it gets out she would regret it or something. Seems logical to me, but doesnt explain the shovel, etc> So hopefully we will find something out soon?

Hmmm, thats an interesting thought loulou about Casey selling Caylee.
And you're right it doesn't explain the shovel or the gas cans. Casey is in so much hotwater now I don't know why she doesn't just fess up? And since Casey hasn't fessed up to anything this is why I believe something bad happened to Caylee. Just my thoughts though.

[loulou58]

I dont think she would want to tell that she sold her because the person who has her would go down as well. If Casey is affraid of that person then thats all the reason in the world (in her mind) as to why she cant tell it, plus as long as the investigators don't find her out they really can't charge her with much, but in hopes that Caylee is found before Casey breaks, then Casey can stay with her story that she was kidnapped. Caylee will be found and more than likely go back to the family, but if Casey admits she sold her she will lose custody for sure and go to prison. I think she is hoping that Caylee will be found and she can look like she was telling the truth. If this is the case, Caylee could be in another country by now and never be found. I think that if this is what happened, I think it more than likely happened pretty quick after Casey moved from her parents house. Especially since no one remembers seeing Caylee. No friends, the boyfriend , etc. And if she sold her then WHY would she report her missing????? The missing story came about after Cindy demanded she tell her where Caylee was. HHmmm... makes me wonder.

[dcrc]

My thoughts on this case change daily. At first I believed that she had harmed her child or even killed her...however, now I tend to think that she may have sold her or traded her. I think that the police were so SURE that Casey had harmed Caylee, and if there was evidence of Caylee being deceased in the trunk of that car they would have announced it immediately or charged her with murder. I am sure they have the DNA already, and I believe they did not get the results they expected so now it's a hush hush. With that being said and the fact that no one seen Caylee for several days before it was announced she was missing makes me think she sold her. I also think thats why she is so quite now. She seems quite sure that Cayless safe. And how could a mother feel so sure? Only if she knows who has her. It is illegal to sell or trade a child, so should they find out what really happened, she would be charged anyway. But if she sticks to her story and says nothing more that there is no proof that she was not kidnapped. Plus, I really think that if she was in the trunk of the car, she may have caved after they took DNA knowing she would be found out. And how else could she have money to shop and take vacations etc? People will pay big bucks for children. She probably kept it all a secret because she knew her parents would have a fit. Also if this is what happened, then the person who has her probably told her that if it gets out she would regret it or something. Seems logical to me, but doesnt explain the shovel, etc> So hopefully we will find something out soon?

But what about the smell from the trunk? Casey's mother said it smelled like a dead body. Two cadaver dogs made hits on the car trunk and police detectives said the smell was that of a dead body.

There is no doubt for me that either little Caylee accidentally drowned in the pool or she was murdered by Casey then Casey got rid of the body.

[applesandorange]

Welcome Applesandorange!!!!!!!!!


Thanks Sara!!

[loulou58]

But what about the smell from the trunk? Casey's mother said it smelled like a dead body. Two cadaver dogs made hits on the car trunk and police detectives said the smell was that of a dead body.

There is no doubt for me that either little Caylee accidentally drowned in the pool or she was murdered by Casey then Casey got rid of the body.




I think that Cindy was extremely upset and scared. I myself am a very negative person and tend to always think the worst. Being put it the situation she was, I don't know how exactly I would have reacted, but if I smelled something even close to the smell of a dead body, I know the thought would probably cross my mind. I can't explain the smell, but for Caylees sake I sure hope that was not what she smelled. But I do think that if DNA showed a dead body was in there, Casey would have already been charged with more. As far as her backing the car up to the garage that day, Isn't that about the time she moved out? Maybe she was loading clothes or something she was moving.... The shovel...? ....I have no idea. And the dogs were not consistant with hits in the back yard so I have lost all faith in them.

[dan_uk]

judging by caseys photobucket albums she does like to party so i reckon casey killed caylee because caylee got in the way of caseys partying life style

[rosejustrose]

I dont think she would want to tell that she sold her because the person who has her would go down as well. If Casey is affraid of that person then thats all the reason in the world (in her mind) as to why she cant tell it, plus as long as the investigators don't find her out they really can't charge her with much, but in hopes that Caylee is found before Casey breaks, then Casey can stay with her story that she was kidnapped. Caylee will be found and more than likely go back to the family, but if Casey admits she sold her she will lose custody for sure and go to prison. I think she is hoping that Caylee will be found and she can look like she was telling the truth. If this is the case, Caylee could be in another country by now and never be found. I think that if this is what happened, I think it more than likely happened pretty quick after Casey moved from her parents house. Especially since no one remembers seeing Caylee. No friends, the boyfriend , etc. And if she sold her then WHY would she report her missing????? The missing story came about after Cindy demanded she tell her where Caylee was. HHmmm... makes me wonder.

The thought of Casey selling/trading Caylee crossed my mine when I read what Cindy posted on her myspace about jealousy. But, as far as I have read, no one has mentioned anything a large sum of money being found or in Casey's bank account. IMO, Casey accidentally let Caylee die either in a heated car or in the pool. I also think whatever happened happened on June 16th. She may have left Caylee in the trunk while she tried to figure out what to do with her and that's where the decomp came from. Last night on Nancy Grace a forensic expert spoke about the DNA not being complete yet because they most likely are dealing with degraded DNA and will have to run more sensitive, timely tests to get a profile. So, I believe the FDLE does not have the results yet. I do think they should go ahead and prosecute on the felony child abuse charge and keep her in prison for at least 6 years. JMO.