Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[beemer]

Hey all :beer: Cant reach wave guy but beer guys will do its friday night!!!
I just wanna clarify so if anyone misunderstood Runaway Devil is not by Ann Rule-she is a great read Loretta and tons of books out. This one is based on a Canadian case a few years back. Gives a bit of Canadian law and examines the nature/nurture aspect from the brief bit i have read. It appears an easy read and a page turner from reviews. It is by Robert remington and Sherri Zickefoose. Yes Drew i am so thrilled we are reading it together. For sure we can discuss it. I plan to be out in the blazing heat and humidity tomorrow and read it all. Let me know what ya think :beer: Nawny and any of us here i think will find this book and interesting read. Let me know gals and deacon if any of ya's are so inclined. Nawners i luv your pic-you have been cute all your life :rose:

[beemer]

WOo hoo! Thanks girls. I'll get me a copy too! Going to Amazon right now. I need a good book. DrewB Ann Rule is a very good writer. I love her style. Simple plain darn English! That's a good writer to me. I hate those authors who write like they have a long winded wish. My eyes wander off the page once, and I close the book. I'm a bad one that way. Anne Rule keeps you riveted. All her books are true stories too.. Loretta, you will like her.

Hmm is it not a coincidence that we are fascinated by criminal minds? Is that a disorder? Like addiction to shoes? :punch:

Speaking of shoes, I have to go take my shoes off, shower and get into my cotton jammys. Iwas galavanting all day.. I'll be back later.

Did someone say shoes?:D:biggrin:;):hat:

[beemer]

Off i go for my final midnight shift for this month :eek: Yep thats the look i will pretty much have in the morn:D Should be able to grab some zzz's apparently it has been a quiet night. Have fun tonight :beer:

[DrewBerry]

Hey all :beer: Cant reach wave guy but beer guys will do its friday night!!!
I just wanna clarify so if anyone misunderstood Runaway Devil is not by Ann Rule-she is a great read Loretta and tons of books out. This one is based on a Canadian case a few years back. Gives a bit of Canadian law and examines the nature/nurture aspect from the brief bit i have read. It appears an easy read and a page turner from reviews. It is by Robert remington and Sherri Zickefoose. Yes Drew i am so thrilled we are reading it together. For sure we can discuss it. I plan to be out in the blazing heat and humidity tomorrow and read it all. Let me know what ya think :beer: Nawny and any of us here i think will find this book and interesting read. Let me know gals and deacon if any of ya's are so inclined. Nawners i luv your pic-you have been cute all your life :rose:

I hope I didn't confuse anyone with all my talk about Ann Rule, as well. Beemers, I'm holding off reading until tomorrow so as to have something to look forward to! It's heating up here again in Seattle Looks like 90's by Monday. Ugh! Time for some very cold :beer:!!

DrewB

PS: Loretta: Nawny's right. You would love Ann Rule's books if you haven't already discovered.

[Nawny]

Did someone say shoes?:D:biggrin:;):hat:

Listen Amelda, you got enough shoes! :punch:

[Nawny]

Hey all :beer: Cant reach wave guy but beer guys will do its friday night!!!
I just wanna clarify so if anyone misunderstood Runaway Devil is not by Ann Rule-she is a great read Loretta and tons of books out. This one is based on a Canadian case a few years back. Gives a bit of Canadian law and examines the nature/nurture aspect from the brief bit i have read. It appears an easy read and a page turner from reviews. It is by Robert remington and Sherri Zickefoose. Yes Drew i am so thrilled we are reading it together. For sure we can discuss it. I plan to be out in the blazing heat and humidity tomorrow and read it all. Let me know what ya think :beer: Nawny and any of us here i think will find this book and interesting read. Let me know gals and deacon if any of ya's are so inclined. Nawners i luv your pic-you have been cute all your life :rose:

I looked up Runaway Devil and saw a few sites on the story. It's too new to read the reviews but I did see an actual My Page communication with the authors. Seems this book is very hot and reached high ratings within weeks.. I'm getting that the family of this girl was middle class and well respected in a nice neighborhood and that she got herself involved with the Goth movement. According to the teaser she fell in love with a 23 year old guy her parents found unsuitable for her and she was pushing back. Nice huh?
Looks like parents can't use the "NO" word anymore.

Sound familiar Grinch?:rolleyes:

[Nawny]

Hi all. :seeya: Been away for a few days - passed with flying colors (studying paid off) so am happy. :) I've just caught up with the postings going on and will not be able to post nor follow for quite a few days - company coming to stay. Meaning; meals, people overnight, going places during the days with them, etc...BUT, what really struck me was the re-baptism of G&C and it seems like another publicity stunt to try to make them look better in the eyes of the world. IMO :shrug: And the 'Terminal Event' wording. Sheesh. A murder is a murder ~ no ifs, Ants, or buts. It is what it is - period, the end. Thanks to all for explanations, definitions, links, comments and opinions. Keep up the good work - I'll check in and read up as I am able. Hope there will be a link for Friday's hearing. TIA to all for everything! :rose:

Congrats on your success Wags! Working with the elderly is so rewarding and so interesting. Seeing our own future in their eyes, I always treat them kindly, as I want others to treat me when I am very old. I love to listen to their stories and as they speak, I imagine what I will say about my own life, should I live to need permanant care.

There is one thing that is certain, we all get old and sooner or later we will need someone to help us get from a bed to a chair. God bless you for choosing that profession, it is a very, very important one. Your wings might feel cramped sometimes when you observe some who are not there for the right reasons, but carry on and stay hopeful that your work might "stop one bird from falling" Just one is enough to say you made the world a better place.

You go girl!
:beer:

[Nawny]

I'm cawfee'd up! Today poppa has the movers going over to his office to move the office furniture to the Elmwood building and I'm elected to go help organize. Of course I am also the food runner. :) I'm dying to watch him bite heads off the cable people. LOL! His famous last words:
CAN I TALK TO SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN??? :punch: I know it's a hot day already, but he'll have the air conditioner on freeze.


See you all later! Have the best day. :seeya:

[beemer]

Listen Amelda, you got enough shoes! :punch:
K-how bout purses-luv em just as much :shrug::biggrin:

[beemer]

I'm cawfee'd up! Today poppa has the movers going over to his office to move the office furniture to the Elmwood building and I'm elected to go help organize. Of course I am also the food runner. :) I'm dying to watch him bite heads off the cable people. LOL! His famous last words:
CAN I TALK TO SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN??? :punch: I know it's a hot day already, but he'll have the air conditioner on freeze.


See you all later! Have the best day. :seeya:

Good luck with the move Nawny and hurry them up so you can come back here :biggrin: Stay cool-gonna be a cooker here too!!! Hope the cable guys get it right :seeya:

[beemer]

I hope I didn't confuse anyone with all my talk about Ann Rule, as well. Beemers, I'm holding off reading until tomorrow so as to have something to look forward to! It's heating up here again in Seattle Looks like 90's by Monday. Ugh! Time for some very cold :beer:!!

DrewB

PS: Loretta: Nawny's right. You would love Ann Rule's books if you haven't already discovered.

Well Drew looks like we will be doing the same thing in the same climate today :beer: I picked up some of the new Bud Lime beer. It's been chillin since yesterday. So by noonish-the book,sun,heat and:beer: Oh and my salt and vinegar peanuts. Life is good. Oh and for those who read Runaway Devil be sure and read the short Authors note in the front. I know alot of folks skip those but it explains names witheld to clear any confusion. Happy reading.

[Nawny]

Good luck with the move Nawny and hurry them up so you can come back here :biggrin: Stay cool-gonna be a cooker here too!!! Hope the cable guys get it right :seeya:

Ooof! It was a long day. We got back around 5pm and I ran to the shower because I was so filthy! Everything went well, the place looks like a brand new penny. The movers were a funny bunch of guys. A couple of them looked like ax murderers but they were not. (I think)

That building is where poppa started over 30 years ago and it was good to see him set up there again. He sold the agency 5 Years ago and rented the building, so it's been a while since I sat at his desk there.

He thought he'd retire early,, not not not.. he hated being out of that loop in the hood so I talked him into going back into the brokerage business, but his building wasn't available so he rented one on the next street and drove the guy who bought him out, right out of business. (The jerk went on the drugs so bad, it was a walk in the park to drive him out. Although Poppa is a genius with insurance, always was. Now he's back home in his old crib and the big sign outside says HE'S BACK and has his name under that.. it is also written in Spanish because his clientele is 80% Spanish. They love poppa!


ANyway When I got showered and decompressed, I sliced an eggplant, made Eggplant Parm and the drug of choice.. gnocchi with pink sauce again. It's my passion.. ;) I think poppa is very tired. He's in his red chair with his feet up looking like a sleepy child. It was a fun day! I hope you all had a good day too!
:beer:

[Gatordog]

Hey all :beer: Cant reach wave guy but beer guys will do its friday night!!!
I just wanna clarify so if anyone misunderstood Runaway Devil is not by Ann Rule-she is a great read Loretta and tons of books out. This one is based on a Canadian case a few years back. Gives a bit of Canadian law and examines the nature/nurture aspect from the brief bit i have read. It appears an easy read and a page turner from reviews. It is by Robert remington and Sherri Zickefoose. Yes Drew i am so thrilled we are reading it together. For sure we can discuss it. I plan to be out in the blazing heat and humidity tomorrow and read it all. Let me know what ya think :beer: Nawny and any of us here i think will find this book and interesting read. Let me know gals and deacon if any of ya's are so inclined. Nawners i luv your pic-you have been cute all your life :rose:


Hi Beemer - if you don't see all of the smilies on the right side when you are typing a message, look above the white message box and you see a white smilie. If you click on the drop down arrow, you will see the smilies and you can access them from there. :D

Gator

[Amy]

Hey Beemers & Nawners!! Since you mentioned Ann Rule, I thought I'd weigh in. I've been a big fan of hers for years and have read every book she's written. She's got a no-nonsense way of telling the facts and truth. I guess I like her style and she's a "fellow-Seattleite", having been a detective on the force for many years. Luv her books. :beer:
DrewB

Another Ann Rule fan here!!!! Unfortunately, she doesn't write as fast as I read!! I always want another right away. I would love to read books by her in some of the high profile cases, but hers are of little known cases--little known until she has written about them, of course!!! I have seen some of the cases she has written about on forensic files and the like, but probably filmed after her books came out.

[beemer]

Hi Beemer - if you don't see all of the smilies on the right side when you are typing a message, look above the white message box and you see a white smilie. If you click on the drop down arrow, you will see the smilies and you can access them from there. :D

Gator
Thanks Gator i woulda never figured that one out :beer:

[beemer]

Does anyone recall a document discussing a finding of grave wax in Liar's trunk? in the last documents we saw? Much discussion on this on another board. I will try to go thru some of the docs to see what i can find:seeya:

[JLette]

Does anyone recall a document discussing a finding of grave wax in Liar's trunk? in the last documents we saw? Much discussion on this on another board. I will try to go thru some of the docs to see what i can find:seeya:

IIRC i saw the term "grave wax" in the autopsy report talking about the bones and how they lacked this waxy coating. don't remember anything about the car in relation to that though :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone recall a document discussing a finding of grave wax in Liar's trunk? in the last documents we saw? Much discussion on this on another board. I will try to go thru some of the docs to see what i can find:seeya:

See FINDINGS @ 1, B, 2

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:0bMmhmwVG3cJ:i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/19/caylee.anthony.autopsy.pdf+caylee+anthony+autopsy+ adipocere&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[beemer]

IIRC i saw the term "grave wax" in the autopsy report talking about the bones and how they lacked this waxy coating. don't remember anything about the car in relation to that though :shrug:

Thanks J. I had a look and cant find anything in newly released info??? I cant post on that board (as much as i hate too)to ask for a link as its closed again:shrug:

[Marian Paroo]

I'm familiar with the term, but what does it mean if it isn't there?

[lorettalockhorn]

Found this at WS:

Originally Posted by lin
To rephrase Imackon's excellent analysis:

1. Multiple witnesses have given statements regarding the odor, including trained LE officers.

2. KC's text messages acknowledge a smell of death; she tried to give a reasonable explanation of a dead squirrel but the evidence shows no sign of a squirrel or other animal. With her overall lack of credibility and it being only her text that indicates a squirrel rather than a human body...

3. Multiple trained cadaver dogs from different sources hit on the trunk.

4. Hair from deceased Anthony family member (mitochondrial DNA) found in trunk.

5. GA and CA statements regarding the smell, including GA I believe under oath.

6. Air sample tests from Body Farm indicating 2.6 days-ish human decompositional event.

7. Evidence of clean up in the car; coverup -- if trying to "frame" KC, why clean up?

8. Papertowels in trunk contained decomp from Caylee.


And then someone else posted:

BBM-
Number 8 is incorrect.The report says that something like adipocere was found on the paper towels, not that it was definately adipocere (aka gravewax).
There is nothing defintive that proves caylees decomp was on the paper towels, its just a conclusion that we all jumped to when we read the word adipocere and discovered it was associated with decomp.
It could have been any number of things on the paper towel, from soap, to make up etc.
(I'm going to add this in the myths thread).
PS: Its possible that it is caylees decomp, and is actually adipocere, but until they prove it, rather than saying it was 'like' adipocere, it should be taken with a grain of salt.
JMO


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3985071#post3985071

Not finding any links to support anything. (One of the many reasons that WS sucks.)

[BeastofBears]

IIRC i saw the term "grave wax" in the autopsy report talking about the bones and how they lacked this waxy coating. don't remember anything about the car in relation to that though :shrug:

I've lurked a board that has had a lot of excitement about "grave wax" being found on the paper towels in the trunk. iirc, the report said something "like" adipocere was found on paper towels in the trunk, but I've never seen confirmation that it was adipocere. Anyone?

If it can be proven that there was human grave wax in the trunk, sure seems like a slamdunk, but can the source be proven?

As for the small amount of adipocere on Caylee's bones, she was small and it doesn't last forever, certainly in the elements. imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm familiar with the term, but what does it mean if it isn't there?

Probably a reference to the presence of insect activity in Caylee's case.

Grave wax, or adipocere, is a crumbly white, waxy substance that accumulates on those parts of the body that contain fat - the cheeks, breasts, abdomen and buttocks. It is the product of a chemical reaction in which fats react with water and hydrogen in the presence of bacterial enzymes, breaking down into fatty acids and soaps. Adipocere is resistant to bacteria and can protect a corpse, slowing further decomposition. Adipocere starts to form within a month after death and has been recorded on bodies that have been exhumed after 100 years. If a body is readily accessible to insects, adipocere is unlikely to form.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

Warning: There is a picture that may not be suitable for the squeamish at link.

[BeastofBears]

Wow! That grave wax rumor is everywhere, isn't it? I was poking around on google and it's everywhere being stated as fact.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've lurked a board that has had a lot of excitement about "grave wax" being found on the paper towels in the trunk. iirc, the report said something "like" adipocere was found on paper towels in the trunk, but I've never seen confirmation that it was adipocere. Anyone?

If it can be proven that there was human grave wax in the trunk, sure seems like a slamdunk, but can the source be proven?

As for the small amount of adipocere on Caylee's bones, she was small and it doesn't last forever, certainly in the elements. imo.

Found a discussion at WS that I posted here, but wasn't surprised that there was no link to an official report.

[beemer]

Thanks Loretta and Bob. I think i will stay away from lurking over there as it just seems to be a rumour mill. The way folks talk about it one would swear it was proven. I could not see any of you sharpies missing that one. Thanks for clearing that up:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Probably a reference to the presence of insect activity in Caylee's case.

Grave wax, or adipocere, is a crumbly white, waxy substance that accumulates on those parts of the body that contain fat - the cheeks, breasts, abdomen and buttocks. It is the product of a chemical reaction in which fats react with water and hydrogen in the presence of bacterial enzymes, breaking down into fatty acids and soaps. Adipocere is resistant to bacteria and can protect a corpse, slowing further decomposition. Adipocere starts to form within a month after death and has been recorded on bodies that have been exhumed after 100 years. If a body is readily accessible to insects, adipocere is unlikely to form.

http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/grave_wax.htm

Warning: There is a picture that may not be suitable for the squeamish at link.

Ahhhh, a "soap mummy"...how delightful! I like my mummies dessicated in the Saharan breeze, thanks!

[BeastofBears]

Thanks Loretta and Bob. I think i will stay away from lurking over there as it just seems to be a rumour mill. The way folks talk about it one would swear it was proven. I could not see any of you sharpies missing that one. Thanks for clearing that up:beer:

We're those suspicious wet-blanket trouble-shooters no one wants around because we ruin a good mob-driven witch-hunt with our silly facts.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ahhhh, a "soap mummy"...how delightful! I like my mummies dessicated in the Saharan breeze, thanks!

And I don't blame you one single bit! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

We're those suspicious wet-blanket trouble-shooters no one wants around because we ruin a good mob-driven witch-hunt with our silly facts.

Better a stick in the http://i41.tinypic.com/8j2h.jpg than a stick up the http://i28.tinypic.com/15ckn7a.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta and Bob. I think i will stay away from lurking over there as it just seems to be a rumour mill. The way folks talk about it one would swear it was proven. I could not see any of you sharpies missing that one. Thanks for clearing that up:beer:

Those brainiacs can't even sniff out a felony child molester in their midst. :eek::rolleyes:

[BeastofBears]

Those brainiacs can't even sniff out a felony child molester in their midst. :eek::rolleyes:

That was classic.

[beemer]

Those brainiacs can't even sniff out a felony child molester in their midst. :eek::rolleyes:

Jayzuz i forgot bout that one Loretta. I guess thats why those boards are so busy-fabrication. Good thing they are not LE. I hope:eek: I like our calm,factual group. So lesson learned for me just cuz 100 peeps are talking bout it doesn't mean it's fact. It's a wonder those boards are so popular:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

That was classic.

Guess if you can't manage classy, classic will just have to do. :eek:

[beemer]

We're those suspicious wet-blanket trouble-shooters no one wants around because we ruin a good mob-driven witch-hunt with our silly facts.

Haaa and i am sure they would be bored with our food talk etc. Splains what they do during the dry spells :D

[BeastofBears]

I guess some folks would rather freak out about non-existent evidence than go off topic into recipes and the state of the economy.

[deacon]

I guess some folks would rather freak out about non-existent evidence than go off topic into recipes and the state of the economy.

Or sumpin. It amazes me how some can get taken out in left field with facts that are not really facts. They read way too much into some things and ignore others.

[lorettalockhorn]

Or sumpin. It amazes me how some can get taken out in left field with facts that are not really facts. They read way too much into some things and ignore others.

Guilty! Well, maybe not guilty of accepting stuff as fact, but believing that the scenario could very well be true. I've seen some criticism of the "link please" types on other boards, but who wants to be chagrined by posting rumor as fact? One of the great things about CL is that people do share news links and even though the blogs are (I guess) generally accepted as op eds, they do provide a springboard for thought, free expression and comments.

[deacon]

Guilty! Well, maybe not guilty of accepting stuff as fact, but believing that the scenario could very well be true. I've seen some criticism of the "link please" types on other boards, but who wants to be chagrined by posting rumor as fact? One of the great things about CL is that people do share news links and even though the blogs are (I guess) generally accepted as op eds, they do provide a springboard for thought, free expression and comments.

That is what I do not find here, someone posting rumor as fact. Some boards I have been on rumor ruled. Even when proven wrong, it was still accepted as fact.

[lorettalockhorn]

That is what I do not find here, someone posting rumor as fact. Some boards I have been on rumor ruled. Even when proven wrong, it was still accepted as fact.

Don't get me wrong. I've made some blunders. Boy have I. But there's a big difference in having a theory (and sticking to it) and insisting that rumor is fact. Personally I'd rather be considered a bit of a nutcase than be considered a liar. And there are a couple of boards where you can't even post a theory without being censored or banned; so glad that's not the case here. I truly think that what goes on in the cases I'm familiar with here at CL is pretty darned close to what goes on in the jury room.

[BeastofBears]

Don't get me wrong. I've made some blunders. Boy have I. But there's a big difference in having a theory (and sticking to it) and insisting that rumor is fact. Personally I'd rather be considered a bit of a nutcase than be considered a liar. And there are a couple of boards where you can't even post a theory without being censored or banned; so glad that's not the case here. I truly think that what goes on in the cases I'm familiar with here at CL is pretty darned close to what goes on in the jury room.

And may it be thus during the televised trial of the State of Florida vs. Casey Marie Anthony :beer:

[Nawny]

K-how bout purses-luv em just as much :shrug::biggrin:

LOL!! I'm with you honey! Shoes too! I've slowed down on the shoes. I only have 2 feet! I haven't worn a third of my collection this summer and bought more. Come here and get your purses, they fall off the truck in NY ya know? I got a great Dolce G leather in beige and tan stripe this round and it feels like whipped cream. Notice the straps are shorter for the shoulder bags lately? I don't understand that look, but I wear it.

Uh Oh!! Wrong board! Forgive me.. :punch:

But we earned our pocketbooks and shoes, I say! :beer:

[Nawny]

Don't get me wrong. I've made some blunders. Boy have I. But there's a big difference in having a theory (and sticking to it) and insisting that rumor is fact. Personally I'd rather be considered a bit of a nutcase than be considered a liar. And there are a couple of boards where you can't even post a theory without being censored or banned; so glad that's not the case here. I truly think that what goes on in the cases I'm familiar with here at CL is pretty darned close to what goes on in the jury room.

ITA!

Wouldn't you love to be the Prosecutor in the courtroom though? I've said this before, but I'd start and end with the mantra: 31 days ladies and gentlemen...31 days.And if I were a juror, hmmmm.. I'd hear nothing else.

As parents, we all know the panic and extraordinary fear that hits when we can't find one of our children for 31 seconds. So, what's the question Jose?

[Nawny]

And may it be thus during the televised trial of the State of Florida vs. Casey Marie Anthony :beer:

Do you think this will be a short trail? If so, why?

[Nawny]

I haven't meandered over to the CA links much. I saw this one today. If it's been posted forgive me. I found it sort of interesting, however old news. She's still a POS. Though I find the similes interesting in that she isn't unique as far as murdering young mother's go.




http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/caseyhelp.htm

[beemer]

Do you think this will be a short trail? If so, why?

I hope it is Nawny. I hope the pro's keep it on task and moving along. They dont need to get the jury all bogged down in science that gets them confused. They can save alot of the junk science details:rolleyes:for when the defense attacks it. Make them look like asshats. There is so much basic stuff that will hang her. Starting with the 31 days. Proof of no Zanny,text messages,no dead squirrel,trunk odour,Pics of how she behaved,video from jail visits,forensic's from the remains showing plant growth proving Caylee was there and only there. So much more. I'm happy;) What the FIRM is gonna say will be classic. Pass the popcorn please:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Do you think this will be a short trail? If so, why?

I think the prosecution's side will be short. The defense will have a lot more work to do, with their "debunking" and all...I can't guess overall how long it will be. Based on the delays so far, I think a certain someone will drag it out as long as possible since he's a ham imo.

all imo, of course.

[Amy]

I haven't meandered over to the CA links much. I saw this one today. If it's been posted forgive me. I found it sort of interesting, however old news. She's still a POS. Though I find the similes interesting in that she isn't unique as far as murdering young mother's go.




http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/caseyhelp.htm

I guess that goes to show you that you can't rely entirely on the content of IM's to analyze a case. Such as, Casey didn't need to worry about Caylee's father not supporting or helping support Caylee. Nope, Caylee's (and many of Casey's) expenses seemed to be covered quite nicely by Cindy Anthony, probably with the help of George, when he was working. I would wager the only thing Casey had to worry about was if Cindy and/or George might have encouraged Casey to take more responsibility of motherhood. But, finances in the upbringing of Caylee Anthony were being handled quite well.

Also, hadn't Casey moved on to TonE L? And was looking to fish in Will Waters' (or whatever his name is) pond. I don't think Riscuso (sp) was her inspiration for killing her baby. He may have been the one to put the statement about not bringing Caylee along into recorded words, but I'm betting that there was probably kudos for Casey when she showed up @ adult functions without Caylee. The others probably felt it was pretty darn inappropriate for her to be there, plus I'm betting Caylee's presence probably put the kibosh on some of their activities.

[Amy]

I think the prosecution's side will be short. The defense will have a lot more work to do, with their "debunking" and all...I can't guess overall how long it will be. Based on the delays so far, I think a certain someone will drag it out as long as possible since he's a ham imo.

all imo, of course.

IMO, the defense will certainly drag it out, do a lot of grand standing. Maybe wanting the trial to last @ least as long as OJ's or Scott Peterson's. You know, once this high profile trial is over, Jose's time in the spotlight, being called a high profile attorney will also be over. So, IMO, he'll certainly want it to last as long as he can possibly make it.

The trouble w/long drawn out trials is, it gets boring and redundant to watch, read about, etc etc etc. Like a trial I sat on--the prosecutor asked the police woman the same question 6 ways from Sunday, and then when the defense started his questioning, he did the same!!! THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED, ALREADY!!!! :flamemad: Get on with something else, for Pete's sake!!!! Let's get the show on the road and get the trial over!!!

[Nawny]

IMO, the defense will certainly drag it out, do a lot of grand standing. Maybe wanting the trial to last @ least as long as OJ's or Scott Peterson's. You know, once this high profile trial is over, Jose's time in the spotlight, being called a high profile attorney will also be over. So, IMO, he'll certainly want it to last as long as he can possibly make it.

The trouble w/long drawn out trials is, it gets boring and redundant to watch, read about, etc etc etc. Like a trial I sat on--the prosecutor asked the police woman the same question 6 ways from Sunday, and then when the defense started his questioning, he did the same!!! THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED, ALREADY!!!! :flamemad: Get on with something else, for Pete's sake!!!! Let's get the show on the road and get the trial over!!!

ITA. I can't imagine how the defense is going to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, the liar did NOT kill that child.

31 days!

[Nawny]

I think the prosecution's side will be short. The defense will have a lot more work to do, with their "debunking" and all...I can't guess overall how long it will be. Based on the delays so far, I think a certain someone will drag it out as long as possible since he's a ham imo.

all imo, of course.

I hope the judge puts a stop to all the planned repetitive garbage. I'm thinking if LE didn't know for sure that she was the killer, her bail would have been set lower. Her trial is not going to be about guilt or innocence, it's going to be about screwing up and getting her out of jail on a technicality. I'm not looking forward to listening to Jose's yada yada because he's not the sharpest tool in the shed and he'll put me to sleep. Unless I laugh myself to the bathroom.

I betcha liar is so orientated to the cell life that she may not function in the world even if they do get her out.. not that she functioned well before her arrest. Anyway, I don't believe her lawyers are about her. They are about Tabloid exposure and fame for more than 15 minutes. If I were a defense lawyer, I wouldn't go near that case. Geragos has been trying to climb back up the rock since Peterson threw him to the sharks with his wife and son.

I expect Jose's whole career to turn into a joke. He'll be flippin burgers on the beach before long and liking it.

[Nawny]

I hope it is Nawny. I hope the pro's keep it on task and moving along. They dont need to get the jury all bogged down in science that gets them confused. They can save alot of the junk science details:rolleyes:for when the defense attacks it. Make them look like asshats. There is so much basic stuff that will hang her. Starting with the 31 days. Proof of no Zanny,text messages,no dead squirrel,trunk odour,Pics of how she behaved,video from jail visits,forensic's from the remains showing plant growth proving Caylee was there and only there. So much more. I'm happy;) What the FIRM is gonna say will be classic. Pass the popcorn please:beer:

ITA! What on earth besides planned confusion will get a win for the defense?

[Gatordog]

Do you think this will be a short trail? If so, why?

I'm thinking three weeks. No offense BoB, but Florida doesn't run courtrooms like California. It's fast and the days are long. They will often keep the jury there till 9 p.m. and the trials can go past 6 p.m. I've been shocked to see how often the California trials break and suspend court for a day or two and a trial can last two months. Here, it's snap, crackle and pop and then Fry! Judge Strickland is no Judge Ito. I think he is going to keep it moving.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I hope it is Nawny. I hope the pro's keep it on task and moving along. They dont need to get the jury all bogged down in science that gets them confused. They can save alot of the junk science details:rolleyes:for when the defense attacks it. Make them look like asshats. There is so much basic stuff that will hang her. Starting with the 31 days. Proof of no Zanny,text messages,no dead squirrel,trunk odour,Pics of how she behaved,video from jail visits,forensic's from the remains showing plant growth proving Caylee was there and only there. So much more. I'm happy;) What the FIRM is gonna say will be classic. Pass the popcorn please:beer:

And let's not forget no Birthday presents bought for Caylee. And no record at all of that one minute call the Liar said she received on July 15 when Caylee said "Hi Mommy" and she was talking about her new book. (when she was already dead for one month).

[beemer]

I'm thinking three weeks. No offense BoB, but Florida doesn't run courtrooms like California. It's fast and the days are long. They will often keep the jury there till 9 p.m. and the trials can go past 6 p.m. I've been shocked to see how often the California trials break and suspend court for a day or two and a trial can last two months. Here, it's snap, crackle and pop and then Fry! Judge Strickland is no Judge Ito. I think he is going to keep it moving.

Gator
That would be a good thing gator. Bad for us as ya know they wont televise that long:shrug: Hope your knee is better :seeya:

[beemer]

And let's not forget no Birthday presents bought for Caylee. And no record at all of that one minute call the Liar said she received on July 15 when Caylee said "Hi Mommy" and she was talking about her new book. (when she was already dead for one month).

I know-just so much there. If they methodically plod along the story will tell itself.

[JLette]

[/B]

ITA!

Wouldn't you love to be the Prosecutor in the courtroom though? I've said this before, but I'd start and end with the mantra: 31 days ladies and gentlemen...31 days.And if I were a juror, hmmmm.. I'd hear nothing else.

As parents, we all know the panic and extraordinary fear that hits when we can't find one of our children for 31 seconds. So, what's the question Jose?

ITA Nawny! when i was pregnant with my son 4 years ago, i was watching my nephew who was about 4 at the time. well, he left my sight for a while, i assumed he went to play in his room, i went to check on him and he was GONE :eek: my sister and i looked EVERYWHERE for that kid, i was panicked to the point of either having to call the police or go to the ER for early labor or BOTH. so in tears i go through my moms house again yelling his name as loud as i could and i look in every room again for about the 3rd time and guess what! he had fallen asleep in his bed completely covered up not only with his blankets but his pillows too, like he had been hiding and fell asleep before anyone found his hiding spot. OMG i have never been so freaked out and relieved in my LIFE. all told he was "missing" about 15 minutes. he is not even my son and i was petrified. i cannot imagine ANY parent letting a child be missing for that long, no matter WHO the child belongs too and ESPECIALLY if it is your own. JMO

[JLette]

I'm thinking three weeks. No offense BoB, but Florida doesn't run courtrooms like California. It's fast and the days are long. They will often keep the jury there till 9 p.m. and the trials can go past 6 p.m. I've been shocked to see how often the California trials break and suspend court for a day or two and a trial can last two months. Here, it's snap, crackle and pop and then Fry! Judge Strickland is no Judge Ito. I think he is going to keep it moving.

Gator

YEA thats what im talkin about!!! :beer: that is the way it SHOULD be everywhere, you know....the defendant has a right to a SPEEDY trial, and yet they always try to draaag them out :rolleyes:

[Nawny]

And let's not forget no Birthday presents bought for Caylee. And no record at all of that one minute call the Liar said she received on July 15 when Caylee said "Hi Mommy" and she was talking about her new book. (when she was already dead for one month).

OMG! You just reminded me of that Gator! How sick is sick! No remorse and no concious. There is that and so much more that will hang her. I think Jose is out of his mind defending that case.

[deacon]

OMG! You just reminded me of that Gator! How sick is sick! No remorse and no concious. There is that and so much more that will hang her. I think Jose is out of his mind defending that case.

I thought the jury was still out on whether he had one or not.:rolleyes:

[BeastofBears]

I'm thinking three weeks. No offense BoB, but Florida doesn't run courtrooms like California. It's fast and the days are long. They will often keep the jury there till 9 p.m. and the trials can go past 6 p.m. I've been shocked to see how often the California trials break and suspend court for a day or two and a trial can last two months. Here, it's snap, crackle and pop and then Fry! Judge Strickland is no Judge Ito. I think he is going to keep it moving.

Gator

You don't need to apologize to me for criticizing California! Honestly, with me as the Benevolent Dictator, things would run a lot better out here! *rubs hands malevolently*

Signed,
The Dear Leader, BoB

[BeastofBears]

ITA Nawny! when i was pregnant with my son 4 years ago, i was watching my nephew who was about 4 at the time. well, he left my sight for a while, i assumed he went to play in his room, i went to check on him and he was GONE :eek: my sister and i looked EVERYWHERE for that kid, i was panicked to the point of either having to call the police or go to the ER for early labor or BOTH. so in tears i go through my moms house again yelling his name as loud as i could and i look in every room again for about the 3rd time and guess what! he had fallen asleep in his bed completely covered up not only with his blankets but his pillows too, like he had been hiding and fell asleep before anyone found his hiding spot. OMG i have never been so freaked out and relieved in my LIFE. all told he was "missing" about 15 minutes. he is not even my son and i was petrified. i cannot imagine ANY parent letting a child be missing for that long, no matter WHO the child belongs too and ESPECIALLY if it is your own. JMO

Dude, I was frantic and non-functional when the DOG escaped from the yard. Neighbors ran over hearing me frantically calling him...Hubby had to leave work so I could drive around and trace his likely route. (Found the Idjit trotting toward dog-fighting land in Oakland. He was happy to see me)

But...that was a DOG...how could you even breathe if your CHILD was missing? As a juror, I would always go back to "31 days" and then the pictures of what was happening in those 31 days. Casey was breathing, it appeared.

imo and moo.

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]

ITA!

Wouldn't you love to be the Prosecutor in the courtroom though? I've said this before, but I'd start and end with the mantra: 31 days ladies and gentlemen...31 days.And if I were a juror, hmmmm.. I'd hear nothing else.

As parents, we all know the panic and extraordinary fear that hits when we can't find one of our children for 31 seconds. So, what's the question Jose?

31 days is a good opening argument and just as good a closing. Just those two damning words.

[Nawny]

31 days is a good opening argument and just as good a closing. Just those two damning words.

Ya know Loretta, it's bazaar to look at that little witch and realise that she was out of touch with human emotions for 31 days. As we all have had moments when we were not very nice to someone we love; within hours we have felt remorse and at most a few days come round and we back peddle and apologize and if we don't, we feel dirty inside. Speaking for myself, I have cried tears of guilt for lessor things. MUCH LESSOR!!!!

If I have a go round with a loved one because of a hormone, or a serious offense put toward me, it would take a lot less than 31 days to feel sorry for that person, or at least myself. At the very least, I would feel badly; too badly to run out and go to a party or get a tattoo.

It would seem to me, that she couldn't have loved that child, ever! I hate when the two airheads that raised that low life go on about how well she cared for Caylee. That cannot possibly be true. It won't compute.

Her behavior after her arrest, when LP bailed her out gave no indication that she was feeling anything at all for the kid. Listening to LP, he seemed shocked and seemed to be scratching his head about it all. He was all over the place about it at first, like WTF?? Then he got to thinking he could analyze her,,, eh? But to give the devil his due, he knows there was no love lost for her own child. She hated her, IMO. No one could kill something they loved except Othello.

This trial, or at least the defense team is going to be nauseating. I don't want to hear a word about her love for Caylee or I will have to insure my barf bag. :rolleyes:

[SaraSidle]

Ya know Loretta, it's bazaar to look at that little witch and realise that she was out of touch with human emotions for 31 days. As we all have had moments when we were not very nice to someone we love; within hours we have felt remorse and at most a few days come round and we back peddle and apologize and if we don't, we feel dirty inside. Speaking for myself, I have cried tears of guilt for lessor things. MUCH LESSOR!!!!

If I have a go round with a loved one because of a hormone, or a serious offense put toward me, it would take a lot less than 31 days to feel sorry for that person, or at least myself. At the very least, I would feel badly; too badly to run out and go to a party or get a tattoo.

It would seem to me, that she couldn't have loved that child, ever! I hate when the two airheads that raised that low life go on about how well she cared for Caylee. That cannot possibly be true. It won't compute.

Her behavior after her arrest, when LP bailed her out gave no indication that she was feeling anything at all for the kid. Listening to LP, he seemed shocked and seemed to be scratching his head about it all. He was all over the place about it at first, like WTF?? Then he got to thinking he could analyze her,,, eh? But to give the devil his due, he knows there was no love lost for her own child. She hated her, IMO. No one could kill something they loved except Othello.

This trial, or at least the defense team is going to be nauseating. I don't want to hear a word about her love for Caylee or I will have to insure my barf bag. :rolleyes:

I am sure we will hear about her love for Caylee and what a great Mom she was............get ready........sara IMO (love the avatar) Nawny

[Nawny]

I thought the jury was still out on whether he had one or not.:rolleyes:

He doesn't have one ITA! The only hope for that team is to hope something some where gets screwed up so they can declare a mistrial. This case is chuck full of hostile witnesses, drug abusers, media problems and poor character witnesses. Not to mention liars. This is going to be a circus from hell. I'm hoping Strickland is on top of it all at every turn. This nutcase is a menace to society and no danger to herself at all. She's possessed by her own reflection. No one could have made this crime up. It's too unbelievable.

I hear George: There was a smell but it was the smell of decomposing food!
I hear Cindy: I always say, it smells like a dead body when there is rotten food in my fridge.

All the work the prosecution has with these two.. for one thing I'd say, Isn't George a neat freak? Why would you have rotten food in your home??" here come 40 witnesses to testify to George's OCD about his environment. Drone drone drone..



And on and on..

[Nawny]

I am sure we will hear about her love for Caylee and what a great Mom she was............get ready........sara IMO (love the avatar) Nawny


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SARAH!!!!

I just asked where you were!!! It's so nice to see you!

[lorettalockhorn]

Ya know Loretta, it's bazaar to look at that little witch and realise that she was out of touch with human emotions for 31 days. As we all have had moments when we were not very nice to someone we love; within hours we have felt remorse and at most a few days come round and we back peddle and apologize and if we don't, we feel dirty inside. Speaking for myself, I have cried tears of guilt for lessor things. MUCH LESSOR!!!!

If I have a go round with a loved one because of a hormone, or a serious offense put toward me, it would take a lot less than 31 days to feel sorry for that person, or at least myself. At the very least, I would feel badly; too badly to run out and go to a party or get a tattoo.

It would seem to me, that she couldn't have loved that child, ever! I hate when the two airheads that raised that low life go on about how well she cared for Caylee. That cannot possibly be true. It won't compute.

Her behavior after her arrest, when LP bailed her out gave no indication that she was feeling anything at all for the kid. Listening to LP, he seemed shocked and seemed to be scratching his head about it all. He was all over the place about it at first, like WTF?? Then he got to thinking he could analyze her,,, eh? But to give the devil his due, he knows there was no love lost for her own child. She hated her, IMO. No one could kill something they loved except Othello.

This trial, or at least the defense team is going to be nauseating. I don't want to hear a word about her love for Caylee or I will have to insure my barf bag. :rolleyes:

The FIRM is going to have to do some mighty fine tap dancing to come up with something, anything that won't be laughed out of court. And when they get to the penalty phase Ms. Lyon will really have to ramp it up to convince the jury that at the center or Casey's heart there is anything other than a vacuum.

[SaraSidle]

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SARAH!!!!

I just asked where you were!!! It's so nice to see you!

Thanks Nawny. Darn puter. Never even had a chance to warn anyone. I sure hope Florida was good and you are doing well...... missed you sara

[One2Snoop]

You don't need to apologize to me for criticizing California! Honestly, with me as the Benevolent Dictator, things would run a lot better out here! *rubs hands malevolently*

Signed,
The Dear Leader, BoB

:beer: :patriot: :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

The FIRM is going to have to do some mighty fine tap dancing to come up with something, anything that won't be laughed out of court. And when they get to the penalty phase Ms. Lyon will really have to ramp it up to convince the jury that at the center or Casey's heart there is anything other than a vacuum.

I still cannot see Lyon using the Nanny defense with Casey. She must know how stupid the whole lie is and how it sounds IMO sara

[lighthousedazy]

I still cannot see Lyon using the Nanny defense with Casey. She must know how stupid the whole lie is and how it sounds IMO saraI definitely agree with that statement.
OT: Sara, do you have CCleaner and Spybot on your computer. If not, download and run. They might help with you puter troubles. :) Glad to see you back.

[SaraSidle]

I definitely agree with that statement.
OT: Sara, do you have CCleaner and Spybot on your computer. If not, download and run. They might help with you puter troubles. :) Glad to see you back.

Thanks lhd. It is so good to be back. Like I am addicted LOL
I had to get a new computer because no one could fix the old one.
I have many securitys on the new one. I will not go through that one again. sara

Last time it broke they found Caylee and it took 2 months to get it fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sara

[Amy]

ITA Nawny! when i was pregnant with my son 4 years ago, i was watching my nephew who was about 4 at the time. well, he left my sight for a while, i assumed he went to play in his room, i went to check on him and he was GONE :eek: my sister and i looked EVERYWHERE for that kid, i was panicked to the point of either having to call the police or go to the ER for early labor or BOTH. so in tears i go through my moms house again yelling his name as loud as i could and i look in every room again for about the 3rd time and guess what! he had fallen asleep in his bed completely covered up not only with his blankets but his pillows too, like he had been hiding and fell asleep before anyone found his hiding spot. OMG i have never been so freaked out and relieved in my LIFE. all told he was "missing" about 15 minutes. he is not even my son and i was petrified. i cannot imagine ANY parent letting a child be missing for that long, no matter WHO the child belongs too and ESPECIALLY if it is your own. JMO

One time my niece fell asleep in her toy box in her closet. Fear and panic til we found her. DD was playing hide and seek next door. The mom came over, asking if she had come home. We were looking every place imaginable--and there she was, hiding in the boy's toy box!!! I just don't see how anyone can not be worried about where their little (or even bigger) child is!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I still cannot see Lyon using the Nanny defense with Casey. She must know how stupid the whole lie is and how it sounds IMO sara

Not sure how Lyon will be utilized during the trial; I picture her as working mostly behind the scenes and then handling the penalty phase (PLEASE let there be one!). It doesn't make sense for an attorney to argue a not guilty plea/defense and then turn around and admit that while the client is guilty or has been found guilty that (s)he has such redeeming qualities that her life should be spared. But I could be way off base.

[BeastofBears]

:beer: :patriot: :seeya:

Well, with a response like that, I am more than happy to accept a Co-Dear-Leader, neighbor!

[beemer]

Oh my gawd-go to Youtube videos. Type in- Casey Anthony brag letter to George and Cindy. Break out the depends for this one:biggrin::D

[One2Snoop]

Oh my gawd-go to Youtube videos. Type in- Casey Anthony brag letter to George and Cindy. Break out the depends for this one:biggrin::D


Here's the link.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWb636tAxM

[applesandorange]

I haven't meandered over to the CA links much. I saw this one today. If it's been posted forgive me. I found it sort of interesting, however old news. She's still a POS. Though I find the similes interesting in that she isn't unique as far as murdering young mother's go.




http://im.about.com/od/resources/a/caseyhelp.htm




I read the IMs and I had some intersting thoughts. Casey had said in one of the IMs that Caylee has to come first and her job a close second. Now we know she never had a job but she did mention Caylee by name a few times. She also called her the little snot head. When I read it in the context it was written I don't really think Casey meant that in a mean way. The guy she was talking to however was constantly referring to Caylee as "the offspring" and constantly pushing for Casey to come over without Caylee. He was also persistant in asking where the nanny was. Casey at one point said to him that he should be more willing to come see her since he was more mobile. He responded to that by saying that he wants to get Casey out of her "elements" he was meaning away from Caylee. He was really pushing for Casey to be a party girl and not a mother. IMO. He even threatened that he was losing feelings for her because they barely saw each other. Now remember people saying that Casey changed when she started hanging out with this new group of friends? I really think Casey became what those friends wanted her to be. She was afraid to lose this guy so she killed Caylee. After reading the IMs I believe she killed her more to be with this guy than out of spite for Cindy. I really do. The 2 probably played hand in hand and Caylee's murder was the end result BUT she didn't kill Caylee just to spite Cindy. There were lots of other things going on. Casey even sticks up for Cindy saying Cindy can't babysit because she can't even move her neck. These IMs were written, I think the last one was in May. When again were the chloroform searches done? Casey probably thought about ways to get rid of Caylee but she never acted on it until everything came to a head. Just my MO. I'm not saying Casey is any less guilty by any means.

[beemer]

Here's the link.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWb636tAxM

Thanks Snoop-I'm still a work in progress :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh my gawd-go to Youtube videos. Type in- Casey Anthony brag letter to George and Cindy. Break out the depends for this one:biggrin::D

OMG what a scream!!!!!! Every cliche in this case is in there. :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

I read the IMs and I had some intersting thoughts. Casey had said in one of the IMs that Caylee has to come first and her job a close second. Now we know she never had a job but she did mention Caylee by name a few times. She also called her the little snot head. When I read it in the context it was written I don't really think Casey meant that in a mean way. The guy she was talking to however was constantly referring to Caylee as "the offspring" and constantly pushing for Casey to come over without Caylee. He was also persistant in asking where the nanny was. Casey at one point said to him that he should be more willing to come see her since he was more mobile. He responded to that by saying that he wants to get Casey out of her "elements" he was meaning away from Caylee. He was really pushing for Casey to be a party girl and not a mother. IMO. He even threatened that he was losing feelings for her because they barely saw each other. Now remember people saying that Casey changed when she started hanging out with this new group of friends? I really think Casey became what those friends wanted her to be. She was afraid to lose this guy so she killed Caylee. After reading the IMs I believe she killed her more to be with this guy than out of spite for Cindy. I really do. The 2 probably played hand in hand and Caylee's murder was the end result BUT she didn't kill Caylee just to spite Cindy. There were lots of other things going on. Casey even sticks up for Cindy saying Cindy can't babysit because she can't even move her neck. These IMs were written, I think the last one was in May. When again were the chloroform searches done? Casey probably thought about ways to get rid of Caylee but she never acted on it until everything came to a head. Just my MO. I'm not saying Casey is any less guilty by any means.

A&O, great interpretation that makes plenty of sense. Great post!

The chloroform searches on the Ants' computer were in mid-March or thereabouts. Pretty sure.

[beemer]

OMG what a scream!!!!!! Every cliche in this case is in there. :beer:

I know. Think it will show up at trial ;)

[SaraSidle]

I guess that goes to show you that you can't rely entirely on the content of IM's to analyze a case. Such as, Casey didn't need to worry about Caylee's father not supporting or helping support Caylee. Nope, Caylee's (and many of Casey's) expenses seemed to be covered quite nicely by Cindy Anthony, probably with the help of George, when he was working. I would wager the only thing Casey had to worry about was if Cindy and/or George might have encouraged Casey to take more responsibility of motherhood. But, finances in the upbringing of Caylee Anthony were being handled quite well.

Also, hadn't Casey moved on to TonE L? And was looking to fish in Will Waters' (or whatever his name is) pond. I don't think Riscuso (sp) was her inspiration for killing her baby. He may have been the one to put the statement about not bringing Caylee along into recorded words, but I'm betting that there was probably kudos for Casey when she showed up @ adult functions without Caylee. The others probably felt it was pretty darn inappropriate for her to be there, plus I'm betting Caylee's presence probably put the kibosh on some of their activities.


I am thinking Amy Casey did not feel it would last with Tone because of what she had done with Caylee and was looking for a back up plan in California.
after all Caylee has been kidnapped and she needs to start a new life.:rolleyes:
IMO sara

[beemer]

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

[lorettalockhorn]

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

Thanks Beem, hope we get to see this one, took forever to find part of the Cummings presser.

[Gatordog]

I am thinking Amy Casey did not feel it would last with Tone because of what she had done with Caylee and was looking for a back up plan in California.
after all Caylee has been kidnapped and she needs to start a new life.:rolleyes:
IMO sara

Do we have a time frame of when she contacted that Marine in California. I'm thinking it might have been before Tony and also, she might just have been trying to scam him to give her money for a supposed airline ticket. It sticks with me that when Tony was in NY and told her jokingly that he was staying there, she started to cry and begged him to come back to Florida. She was really nuts for Tony (Tony who didn't want daughters). I bet that little phrase keeps him awake some nights.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Here's the link.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gWb636tAxM

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Maybe this has been keeping Old Soul busy. She would love it. OS....come back. You have to see this.

[Gatordog]

I read the IMs and I had some intersting thoughts. Casey had said in one of the IMs that Caylee has to come first and her job a close second. Now we know she never had a job but she did mention Caylee by name a few times. She also called her the little snot head. When I read it in the context it was written I don't really think Casey meant that in a mean way. The guy she was talking to however was constantly referring to Caylee as "the offspring" and constantly pushing for Casey to come over without Caylee. He was also persistant in asking where the nanny was. Casey at one point said to him that he should be more willing to come see her since he was more mobile. He responded to that by saying that he wants to get Casey out of her "elements" he was meaning away from Caylee. He was really pushing for Casey to be a party girl and not a mother. IMO. He even threatened that he was losing feelings for her because they barely saw each other. Now remember people saying that Casey changed when she started hanging out with this new group of friends? I really think Casey became what those friends wanted her to be. She was afraid to lose this guy so she killed Caylee. After reading the IMs I believe she killed her more to be with this guy than out of spite for Cindy. I really do. The 2 probably played hand in hand and Caylee's murder was the end result BUT she didn't kill Caylee just to spite Cindy. There were lots of other things going on. Casey even sticks up for Cindy saying Cindy can't babysit because she can't even move her neck. These IMs were written, I think the last one was in May. When again were the chloroform searches done? Casey probably thought about ways to get rid of Caylee but she never acted on it until everything came to a head. Just my MO. I'm not saying Casey is any less guilty by any means.

I think she only saw this guy once or twice and was stringing him along. She met the other Tony right after meeting him and he's the one she told a friend that she was falling hard for, not Cop Tony. It's all phoney baloney as far as Cop Tony goes; she didn't want to see him because of new TonE (who said he didn't want daughters).

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Do we have a time frame of when she contacted that Marine in California. I'm thinking it might have been before Tony and also, she might just have been trying to scam him to give her money for a supposed airline ticket. It sticks with me that when Tony was in NY and told her jokingly that he was staying there, she started to cry and begged him to come back to Florida. She was really nuts for Tony (Tony who didn't want daughters). I bet that little phrase keeps him awake some nights.

Gator

It was a thought I had Gator after reading all the information last year. I am sure there is a link somewhere. You are probably right since you have been a lot more involved. I wondered about it is all..........IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

I read the IMs and I had some intersting thoughts. Casey had said in one of the IMs that Caylee has to come first and her job a close second. Now we know she never had a job but she did mention Caylee by name a few times. She also called her the little snot head. When I read it in the context it was written I don't really think Casey meant that in a mean way. The guy she was talking to however was constantly referring to Caylee as "the offspring" and constantly pushing for Casey to come over without Caylee. He was also persistant in asking where the nanny was. Casey at one point said to him that he should be more willing to come see her since he was more mobile. He responded to that by saying that he wants to get Casey out of her "elements" he was meaning away from Caylee. He was really pushing for Casey to be a party girl and not a mother. IMO. He even threatened that he was losing feelings for her because they barely saw each other. Now remember people saying that Casey changed when she started hanging out with this new group of friends? I really think Casey became what those friends wanted her to be. She was afraid to lose this guy so she killed Caylee. After reading the IMs I believe she killed her more to be with this guy than out of spite for Cindy. I really do. The 2 probably played hand in hand and Caylee's murder was the end result BUT she didn't kill Caylee just to spite Cindy. There were lots of other things going on. Casey even sticks up for Cindy saying Cindy can't babysit because she can't even move her neck. These IMs were written, I think the last one was in May. When again were the chloroform searches done? Casey probably thought about ways to get rid of Caylee but she never acted on it until everything came to a head. Just my MO. I'm not saying Casey is any less guilty by any means.

wonderful post as usual A&O. I am glad you are back. sara

[Gatordog]

It was a thought I had Gator after reading all the information last year. I am sure there is a link somewhere. You are probably right since you have been a lot more involved. I wondered about it is all..........IMO sara

It is a good thought and might be accurate. I mean how can any of us think of a justification for killing a child? We are grasping at straws here trying to make reason out of this horrible act and what followed it.

Gator

[beemer]

Do we have a time frame of when she contacted that Marine in California. I'm thinking it might have been before Tony and also, she might just have been trying to scam him to give her money for a supposed airline ticket. It sticks with me that when Tony was in NY and told her jokingly that he was staying there, she started to cry and begged him to come back to Florida. She was really nuts for Tony (Tony who didn't want daughters). I bet that little phrase keeps him awake some nights.

Gator
I'm sure it does Gator. I remember her having Tony's jeep too when he was in NY did she not. I am very interested in the Marine cuz i find it very interesting his interview we have not seen as of yet. Is there something in that interview? All the tame stuff we have seen. Then the connection with Mark's ex-wife and Lee. Maybe Liar has known him awhile?

[beemer]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Maybe this has been keeping Old Soul busy. She would love it. OS....come back. You have to see this.

OS was the first thing i thought of when i saw this. Looks like her handy work eh? Yes i wish she would get back here:rose:

[beemer]

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

[lorettalockhorn]

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/8/20/nejame_miller_reveal_all_in_anthony_case.html

>>News 13 will broadcast Friday's hearing live.

Thanks Beem!

[beemer]

>>News 13 will broadcast Friday's hearing live.

Thanks Beem!
Your welcome-now get a load of this one-we need the video of this


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

[beemer]

Perhaps the re-baptism didn't take if the Ant's are up to their ole ways :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

It is a good thought and might be accurate. I mean how can any of us think of a justification for killing a child? We are grasping at straws here trying to make reason out of this horrible act and what followed it.

Gator

you know that is so true Gator. I can get over the crazy part of the mind when that happens but a sociopath with a clear mind.........it is over my head. i even understand that a sociopath is what he/she is. but it is not enough. I look at precious baby's and children and cannot think about it. Robert 8 yr old in Idaho cute little boy missing,murdered and his mom and her husband are arrested. wth. it just tears at my heart. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Perhaps the re-baptism didn't take if the Ant's are up to their ole ways :shrug:

Poor Brad! George musta just gone off and left him behind. Barging and demanding after Bozo got him all riled up. Makes you wonder what in the world he could have told the Ants that would cause such an overreaction.

[SaraSidle]

Your welcome-now get a load of this one-we need the video of this


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

oh beem..........no photographers should ever go near the A's. Has to be all video video video. they should know better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 sara

[beemer]

Poor Brad! George musta just gone off and left him behind. Barging and demanding after Bozo got him all riled up. Makes you wonder what in the world he could have told the Ants that would cause such an overreaction.

I know-did Bozo want G all riled up? I know i could be reaching here. So G today will it be C tomorrow? That Nejame is one classy guy i must say. And i did like the night he went up against NG. That was quite a bit ago. He sure held his own and really is well spoken. Had something to say to all of her remarks. I saw a pic of G barging-on another board. No idea where it came from but G is in hid formal wear-plaid shorts again :shrug:

[beemer]

Oh and yes that sense of entitlement. I know darn well i have seen/heard that elsewhere. I just cant put my finger on who that person was. Hmmmm:rolleyes:

[beemer]

oh beem..........no photographers should ever go near the A's. Has to be all video video video. they should know better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 sara

I know!!! I wonder where C was:shrug: Practising for tomorrow? Or maybe behind G pushing and prodding him?

[SaraSidle]

Do we have a time frame of when she contacted that Marine in California. I'm thinking it might have been before Tony and also, she might just have been trying to scam him to give her money for a supposed airline ticket. It sticks with me that when Tony was in NY and told her jokingly that he was staying there, she started to cry and begged him to come back to Florida. She was really nuts for Tony (Tony who didn't want daughters). I bet that little phrase keeps him awake some nights.

Gator

You think so??? I wonder if he is even dating yet. my memory has really gone down hill on this stuff. btw your nephew can save me anytime. LOL sara

[SaraSidle]

I know!!! I wonder where C was:shrug: Practising for tomorrow? Or maybe behind G pushing and prodding him?

this is a good point. maybe their attorney would not let her come. Or maybe she knew she would lose control and G told her to stay home. It is a mystery for sure. I would have expected her more than him actually. Not his normal style. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

this is a good point. maybe their attorney would not let her come. Or maybe she knew she would lose control and G told her to stay home. It is a mystery for sure. I would have expected her more than him actually. Not his normal style. sara

I can just hear it now:

"You stay home."

"NO, YOU stay home!"

[beemer]

I can just hear it now:

"You stay home."

"NO, YOU stay home!"

Haaaaaa LMFAO - well i found one pic. Kinda looks like he mighta had a set to with Spindy. I saw Spindy on another board and i had to steal it :biggrin:


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

[beemer]

One of the links-i have looked at so many states Liar will be in the court room tomorrow. Never thought bout that. Wow wonder if G&C can hold it together. Been awhile. Wonder what tomorrow's fashion statement will be. I'm bettin on casual boat wear.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haaaaaa LMFAO - well i found one pic. Kinda looks like he mighta had a set to with Spindy. I saw Spindy on another board and i had to steal it :biggrin:


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

What the heck is George pointing at?

He apologizes, and Mark NeJame shows what a class act he is:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=8703b84f-215f-454c-8083-084c7aadc4f8&cat=1f9c86f3-9038-4144-b367-e59d339e9e50&src=front&title=Casey%20Anthony%27s%20father%20barges%20into %20news%20conference

[Gatordog]

Poor Brad! George musta just gone off and left him behind. Barging and demanding after Bozo got him all riled up. Makes you wonder what in the world he could have told the Ants that would cause such an overreaction.

My take on it could be that Nejame once represented the Ants and now he's representing TES and released photos today that prove how the area was flooded. George might have felt that Nejame was not at liberty to release anything or say anything due to attorney client priviledge. Trouble is...during a hearing which was televised, George and Cindy released Nejame from any conflict of interest. Judge Strickland specifically asked the Ants about their relationship with Nejame and they had no problem. :no: JMO

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

One of the links-i have looked at so many states Liar will be in the court room tomorrow. Never thought bout that. Wow wonder if G&C can hold it together. Been awhile. Wonder what tomorrow's fashion statement will be. I'm bettin on casual boat wear.

Makes sense for her to be there, it would be outrageous if Strickland had to have her hauled in against her will.

http://i30.tinypic.com/nqedzk.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

My take on it could be that Nejame once represented the Ants and now he's representing TES and released photos today that prove how the area was flooded. George might have felt that Nejame was not at liberty to release anything or say anything due to attorney client priviledge. Trouble is...during a hearing which was televised, George and Cindy released Nejame from any conflict of interest. Judge Strickland specifically asked the Ants about their relationship with Nejame and they had no problem. :no: JMO

Gator

Yep. Makes sense in the real world. Makes me wonder what Baez told George to get him all riled up.

[Gatordog]

I can just hear it now:

"You stay home."

"NO, YOU stay home!"

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Loretta, you always know what to say.

[beemer]

Mark is one classy guy for sure. One of the articles i read today stated Jose called G to tell him of the Presser. It was speculated that G was told of the presser and that Mark would be telling what he knew re: Ants case. I think it was a mis-communication as the headlines did blow it up a bit. Yes Mark and Tim will tell what they know in due time. Not today in a press release. I cant help but wonder if Jose intentionally:shrug: Dont know if i can find the link as they kept updating the story.

[beemer]

Makes sense for her to be there, it would be outrageous if Strickland had to have her hauled in against her will.

http://i30.tinypic.com/nqedzk.jpg

LMFAO Look out Bozo she bites :D

[beemer]

Not sure what G is pointing at gator? Maybe Mark-YOU in my office now :shrug:

[beemer]

Soooo G&C wanna know what happened to their granddaughter. Whats left to know? Grisly details that only Liar knows :shrug: Wow if no sense of reality has hit as of yet they best strap in.

[lorettalockhorn]

Mark is one classy guy for sure. One of the articles i read today stated Jose called G to tell him of the Presser. It was speculated that G was told of the presser and that Mark would be telling what he knew re: Ants case. I think it was a mis-communication as the headlines did blow it up a bit. Yes Mark and Tim will tell what they know in due time. Not today in a press release. I cant help but wonder if Jose intentionally:shrug: Dont know if i can find the link as they kept updating the story.

Well, Mark isn't going to be telling anyone anything. He's not a witness and George knows their convos are protected by attorney client privilege, anything the Ants told him will go to the grave. But George said it was a miscommunication, so you really have to wonder not only what Baez told him but for what reason. Like G&C don't read the paper, watch the news, have internet? You just gotta wonder.

[lorettalockhorn]

Not sure what G is pointing at gator? Maybe Mark-YOU in my office now :shrug:

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

Soooo G&C wanna know what happened to their granddaughter. Whats left to know? Grisly details that only Liar knows :shrug: Wow if no sense of reality has hit as of yet they best strap in.

Brad says it's going to be rough or get worse or however he phrased it. I almost feel sorry for them. WHY don't they get some grief counseling? Whatever happens in court is going to be public for pity's sake, they need to be prepared.

[beemer]

Well, Mark isn't going to be telling anyone anything. He's not a witness and George knows their convos are protected by attorney client privilege, anything the Ants told him will go to the grave. But George said it was a miscommunication, so you really have to wonder not only what Baez told him but for what reason. Like G&C don't read the paper, watch the news, have internet? You just gotta wonder.

I took it meant Mark would relay about searches Tim had made. Papers headliners dont specify that. Maybe Bozo relayed that and thats what got G all riled? I truly wonder why bozo wanted G to react:shrug:

[beemer]

Headline News-Part 1
BRB with part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVf4M7BJcjs&feature=channel_page

[beemer]

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-v0gd1Lxck&feature=channel_page2

[lorettalockhorn]

Headline News-Part 1
BRB with part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVf4M7BJcjs&feature=channel_page

Thanks so much, missed most of Prime News due my addiction to my favorite curmudgeon Becker.

[beemer]

Thanks so much, missed most of Prime News due my addiction to my favorite curmudgeon Becker.

Your welcome-luv chicken little:beer: I wonder if that is going to be the defense tactic. If it is i can respect it at the end of the day. It is the only sensible thing they can do. Yeah G almost sounded desperate in that video. Like I know but i dont wanna know but i need to know. I hope that reality starts to sink in before the trial or its just gonna be one bad meltdown. Maybe it will as evidence-hard evidence starts to be released. Yes you are right those folks are in dire need of counselling. Maybe they have declined? I cant wait to see Liar tomorrow i totally forgot she would be there ;)

[Gatordog]

Your welcome-luv chicken little:beer: I wonder if that is going to be the defense tactic. If it is i can respect it at the end of the day. It is the only sensible thing they can do. Yeah G almost sounded desperate in that video. Like I know but i dont wanna know but i need to know. I hope that reality starts to sink in before the trial or its just gonna be one bad meltdown. Maybe it will as evidence-hard evidence starts to be released. Yes you are right those folks are in dire need of counselling. Maybe they have declined? I cant wait to see Liar tomorrow i totally forgot she would be there ;)

If G doesn't know by know it's not out of a lack of info - it's denial. Where is Wagsy's ostrich with it's head in the hole? It could be replaced with G.

[Gatordog]

Headline News-Part 1
BRB with part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVf4M7BJcjs&feature=channel_page

If you watch this - the photos show two wooded areas. They are across the street from each other on suburban drive. The area to focus on is on the right side. You will see a long wooden fence in the shape of a "V". At the point of the "V" is where the remains were found scattered. Actually maybe beginning 20 feet past the "V" end of the fence.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

If G doesn't know by know it's not out of a lack of info - it's denial. Where is Wagsy's ostrich with it's head in the hole? It could be replaced with G.

We need our OS! Hope she's okay and just busy. She can give the ostrich George's head and put Casey's face on Hannibal Lecter's body being wheeled into the courtroom on a handtruck.

[beemer]

If G doesn't know by know it's not out of a lack of info - it's denial. Where is Wagsy's ostrich with it's head in the hole? It could be replaced with G.

For sure-It's like they are gonna have to be hit in the face with something huge before they will accept it enough to start processing.

[beemer]

We need our OS! Hope she's okay and just busy. She can give the ostrich George's head and put Casey's face on Hannibal Lecter's body being wheeled into the courtroom on a handtruck.

Haaaaa:D:biggrin::hat: Now how bout Spindy? and Oh Oh Bozo???

[lorettalockhorn]

Haaaaa:D:biggrin::hat: Now how bout Spindy? and Oh Oh Bozo???

We can't forget http://i41.tinypic.com/2v0nbcy.jpg and http://i34.tinypic.com/ws19io.jpg!!!!!

[beemer]

We can't forget http://i41.tinypic.com/2v0nbcy.jpg and http://i34.tinypic.com/ws19io.jpg!!!!!

Spot on :beer:

[BeastofBears]

Soooo G&C wanna know what happened to their granddaughter. Whats left to know? Grisly details that only Liar knows :shrug: Wow if no sense of reality has hit as of yet they best strap in.

I like in the video how George says he needs to know what happened, Cindy needs to know what happened, Lee needs to know what happened...Notice who is missing from that list?

[beemer]

[QUOTE=BeastofBears;9211988]I like in the video how George says he needs to know what happened, Cindy needs to know what happened, Lee needs to know what happened...Notice who is missing from that list?[/QUOTE

Yeah the only one who will truly ever know exactly what happened :cuss:
Check this out. If true Bozo really is an asshat:hat: As much as i have said bout G&C it was down right mean:cuss:



http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/08/casey-anthony-defense-team-was-behind-georges-storming-news-conference-wkmg-reports.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I like in the video how George says he needs to know what happened, Cindy needs to know what happened, Lee needs to know what happened...Notice who is missing from that list?

Yeah, the naughty finger. Casey. http://i34.tinypic.com/w9g0mh.jpg Oh wait, she's the only one who does know. Hopefully Caylee wasn't aware.

[BeastofBears]

I wonder how much of the stuff that has made people angry at them comes from a source other than their own minds...:shrug: jmhwondering opinion...

[BeastofBears]

If a press conference brings this on, what'll a trial do? This case is so whack!

[lorettalockhorn]

If a press conference brings this on, what'll a trial do? This case is so whack!

Conway or their pastor would be doing them a huge favor if they could get them into counseling. Of counsel. Pastoral care. These people need help.

[BeastofBears]

Conway or their pastor would be doing them a huge favor if they could get them into counseling. Of counsel. Pastoral care. These people need help.

And block phone calls from JB's office, imo.

[SaraSidle]

One of the links-i have looked at so many states Liar will be in the court room tomorrow. Never thought bout that. Wow wonder if G&C can hold it together. Been awhile. Wonder what tomorrow's fashion statement will be. I'm bettin on casual boat wear.

I totally agree Bree. boat clothes again. thanks for the video too. sara

[SaraSidle]

My take on it could be that Nejame once represented the Ants and now he's representing TES and released photos today that prove how the area was flooded. George might have felt that Nejame was not at liberty to release anything or say anything due to attorney client priviledge. Trouble is...during a hearing which was televised, George and Cindy released Nejame from any conflict of interest. Judge Strickland specifically asked the Ants about their relationship with Nejame and they had no problem. :no: JMO

Gator

I bet they agreed to not cause problems and then became all paranoid again. You are right gator. they are panicking now...........sara

[BeastofBears]

I totally agree Bree. boat clothes again. thanks for the video too. sara

flip-flops or shoes? and will GA be in plaid again?

[SaraSidle]

If you watch this - the photos show two wooded areas. They are across the street from each other on suburban drive. The area to focus on is on the right side. You will see a long wooden fence in the shape of a "V". At the point of the "V" is where the remains were found scattered. Actually maybe beginning 20 feet past the "V" end of the fence.

Gator

thank you very much. I would not have known. have you been there since you planted the flowers?

[SaraSidle]

I like in the video how George says he needs to know what happened, Cindy needs to know what happened, Lee needs to know what happened...Notice who is missing from that list?

Too True BOB too true............no denial there..........I think he said it like an afterthought at the end but I cannot be sure.........sara

[SaraSidle]

flip-flops or shoes? and will GA be in plaid again?

sandals and stripes. is there money on this?????????

[DrewBerry]

Conway or their pastor would be doing them a huge favor if they could get them into counseling. Of counsel. Pastoral care. These people need help.

Hi Loretta. ITA. If they don't encourage counseling, they are doing a disservice. The Ants. don't live in reality. That will require intensive counseling which, I am sure, they will NEVER agree to. JMO.
:seeya:
DrewB

[Justice Denied?]

ITA. I can't imagine how the defense is going to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, the liar did NOT kill that child.

31 days!

I was just wondering the other day - did LE EVER have another suspect or even a person of interest? I sure don't remember one. Casey was arrested the day after the disappearance was reported and no one else was ever suspected.

[beemer]

I cant imagine living in a state of perpetual whatever for over a year??? I guess most would call it denial but that just sounds way too normal for this :shrug:

[Justice Denied?]

He doesn't have one ITA! The only hope for that team is to hope something some where gets screwed up so they can declare a mistrial. This case is chuck full of hostile witnesses, drug abusers, media problems and poor character witnesses. Not to mention liars. This is going to be a circus from hell. I'm hoping Strickland is on top of it all at every turn. This nutcase is a menace to society and no danger to herself at all. She's possessed by her own reflection. No one could have made this crime up. It's too unbelievable.

I hear George: There was a smell but it was the smell of decomposing food!
I hear Cindy: I always say, it smells like a dead body when there is rotten food in my fridge.

All the work the prosecution has with these two.. for one thing I'd say, Isn't George a neat freak? Why would you have rotten food in your home??" here come 40 witnesses to testify to George's OCD about his environment. Drone drone drone..



And on and on..

JOKE

Have y'all noticed that the squirrel is back on the internet? Turns out he wasn't dead after all. Casey's car knocked him unconscious, causing amnesia.
In a statement to police ( see BoB's avitar) The squirrel stated that he most certainly was not dead, that absolutely WAS NOT his body odor in Casey's car. He will appear on Larry King later to discuss the matter.

[Justice Denied?]

Not sure how Lyon will be utilized during the trial; I picture her as working mostly behind the scenes and then handling the penalty phase (PLEASE let there be one!). It doesn't make sense for an attorney to argue a not guilty plea/defense and then turn around and admit that while the client is guilty or has been found guilty that (s)he has such redeeming qualities that her life should be spared. But I could be way off base.

In almost all death penalty cases I have watched or heard about, there are two separate lawyers, one for guilt/innocence and one for penalty phase. The penalty phase lawyer is called the Keenan council. I feel that Baez will handle the guilt phase as much as possible and Lyon won't be involved (except behind the scene) 'til penalty phase. JMO

[SaraSidle]

I was just wondering the other day - did LE EVER have another suspect or even a person of interest? I sure don't remember one. Casey was arrested the day after the disappearance was reported and no one else was ever suspected.

yes JD she was arrested but I think it was more for Child Negligence or something similar. the murder charge came later............sara

[SaraSidle]

JOKE

Have y'all noticed that the squirrel is back on the internet? Turns out he wasn't dead after all. Casey's car knocked him unconscious, causing amnesia.
In a statement to police ( see BoB's avitar) The squirrel stated that he most certainly was not dead, that absolutely WAS NOT his body odor in Casey's car. He will appear on Larry King later to discuss the matter.

I saw a video early today and the squirrel has been everywhere......sara

[BeastofBears]

sandals and stripes. is there money on this?????????

hmmm. I haven't seen a Hawaiian shirt in court yet. I'm gonna go with white bermudas, a panel Hawaiian, and sandals.

Did he add Casey? I must have seen an edited version before he added that.

moo...

[beemer]

I saw a video early today and the squirrel has been everywhere......sara

Too funny you guy's :beer: Well thats good that the squirrel has been seen and on tape so we do know he does exist. I wonder if Tony will be in the courtroom? Or just his lawyer? Somebody brought that up on another board. I guess we will find that out tomorrow. How weird would that be for him :eek:

[SaraSidle]

hmmm. I haven't seen a Hawaiian shirt in court yet. I'm gonna go with white bermudas, a panel Hawaiian, and sandals.

Did he add Casey? I must have seen an edited version before he added that.

moo...

no it could have been me. I will recheck. hawaiian in court?? that will look wonderful. I wonder what she is going to wear?

[beemer]

no it could have been me. I will recheck. hawaiian in court?? that will look wonderful. I wonder what she is going to wear?
Liar-a Moooo Moooo-I cant take credit for that one-read it elsewhere. C will be in lotsa bling and some casual attire. Maybe matching shirts? Something say in a green :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Liar-a Moooo Moooo-I cant take credit for that one-read it elsewhere. C will be in lotsa bling and some casual attire. Maybe matching shirts? Something say in a green :shrug:

LOL that sounds about right. I wonder what Casey looks like. sara

[Marian Paroo]

yes JD she was arrested but I think it was more for Child Negligence or something similar. the murder charge came later............sara

That was it.

They may well have suspected and were trying to make her stay put 'til they could get the evidence for a murder charge.

Smarter than the LE in charge of Haleigh's case :(

[deacon]

Conway or their pastor would be doing them a huge favor if they could get them into counseling. Of counsel. Pastoral care. These people need help.

That only works if you realize that you need help and ask for it. You can not help someone who refuses to admit or doesn't know that they need couseling

[Gatordog]

I like in the video how George says he needs to know what happened, Cindy needs to know what happened, Lee needs to know what happened...Notice who is missing from that list?

Wow - good observation. You get a gold star for that one. Slipped right by me. In other words, he should have said, I need to know how my daughter killed her baby and why.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Beemer, here's the popcorn you requested for today. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink033.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

You know, I feel like a frigging ghoul http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil03.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) because of the entertainment value of such a tragic and sad event. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-ashamed002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) But it's not going to stop me. :punch:

Gator

[Gatordog]

thank you very much. I would not have known. have you been there since you planted the flowers?

Yes, there's a picture in here of a sunflower and then the following week, another sunflower was in the newspaper and shown on TV.

Gator

[Gatordog]

LOL that sounds about right. I wonder what Casey looks like. sara

And....will Cindy wear green?

[Gatordog]

LIVE feed from courtroom

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

[Gatordog]

George = yellow long sleeve oxford shirt.

[Gatordog]

It's 9:30 a.m. - no defense attorneys at their table. :no:

[Gatordog]

So help me ---it looks like Cindy is wearing a sleeveless tank with - SHAMROCKS. Hope they pull in close. :eek:

[Gatordog]

http://www.wftv.com/video/20489932/index.html

this feed might be better

[shadydaisy]

JOKE

Have y'all noticed that the squirrel is back on the internet? Turns out he wasn't dead after all. Casey's car knocked him unconscious, causing amnesia.
In a statement to police ( see BoB's avitar) The squirrel stated that he most certainly was not dead, that absolutely WAS NOT his body odor in Casey's car. He will appear on Larry King later to discuss the matter.

Have you all seen the picture of the squirrel that walked into the frame of a couple who set the camera on a timer, posed for a photo, and the squirrel walked in for the photo? That's the squirrel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/2774851/Photo-crashing-squirrel-the-latest-web-fad

[lorettalockhorn]

That only works if you realize that you need help and ask for it. You can not help someone who refuses to admit or doesn't know that they need couseling

Part of the job of the pastor and the attorney is to encourage counseling. Maybe Reverend ? and Conway are doing that and are being met at every turn with refusals. Maybe the Ants are in counseling and it isn't working. Who knows? It's going to be interesting to see if the denials and outright lies persist.

[Gatordog]

Best feed but low sound

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wftv.com/video/20489932/index.html

this feed might be better

Thanks for the links. Ghouls just wanna have fun. Pass that popcorn!

[lorettalockhorn]

Have you all seen the picture of the squirrel that walked into the frame of a couple who set the camera on a timer, posed for a photo, and the squirrel walked in for the photo? That's the squirrel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/2774851/Photo-crashing-squirrel-the-latest-web-fad

http://i27.tinypic.com/2crsvif.jpg

[Nawny]

After listening to George I tell ya, he can rip my heart out. I wish he had more brain than nerve, but he's got to be in hell and high water! His main problem is blindness and conditioning I think. It has to be pretty near impossible for him to wrap his head around liar's probably actions, (hell we can't even wrap OUR heads around it) but hell, he has to face the bear sooner or later. It has to hurt more to struggle with the obvious than to face it and know his life will never be the same. His main battle is trying to get the world to agree with his fantasy.. let it go George.. move on. It can't be any worse than what you're trying to sell.

Sad... Caylee's death is sadder. :rose:

[shadydaisy]

http://i27.tinypic.com/2crsvif.jpg

Loretta - Boy, are you good!

[Gatordog]

Wrong about George's shirt. Now I can see it's a short sleeve golf shirt.

Gosh, is it too much trouble to wear a real shirt, tucked into the slacks?

[Gatordog]

Only comment:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char048.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[Gatordog]

1700 sq feet? HAH! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[BeastofBears]

Did you guys hear JB talking about how he tried his best to make a good privacy agreement and went through every law library and manual? (paraphrased)

[BeastofBears]

The white-haired SA at the left of the table keeps flat out laughing as JB talks.

[Gatordog]

Judge Strickland.....http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-love017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[deacon]

Part of the job of the pastor and the attorney is to encourage counseling. Maybe Reverend ? and Conway are doing that and are being met at every turn with refusals. Maybe the Ants are in counseling and it isn't working. Who knows? It's going to be interesting to see if the denials and outright lies persist.

They probably have but as stubborn as those two are they are going to have to be faced with the reality of casey going to jail forever or to death row before it sinks in.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta - Boy, are you good!

Love how you can squirrelize ANYthing on that site! Thanks so much for the link! :tongue:

[Marian Paroo]

Just clicked on.

What is this hearing for?

[lorettalockhorn]

Wrong about George's shirt. Now I can see it's a short sleeve golf shirt.

Gosh, is it too much trouble to wear a real shirt, tucked into the slacks?

Exactly what I just said to Leroy. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

They probably have but as stubborn as those two are they are going to have to be faced with the reality of casey going to jail forever or to death row before it sinks in.

As much as I dislike and have no respect for those two, I do NOT want to see them have a meltdown in court. Of course, the trial is so far away that maybe they will get some professional counseling in time to be prepared.

[BeastofBears]

Just clicked on.

What is this hearing for?

Whether Padilla and others can testify or whether they are privileged, whether the check fraud case goes on before or after the murder case...

[BeastofBears]

Poor Amy H. She's done a victim impact statement asking that the check trial move forward because it's just sitting there is causing her mental stress and the publicity is making it hard to get a job. So many people were sucked into this mess. (paraphrased)

[lorettalockhorn]

Poor Amy H. She's done a victim impact statement asking that the check trial move forward because it's just sitting there is causing her mental stress and the publicity is making it hard to get a job. So many people were sucked into this mess. (paraphrased)

So true. When you look at the potential for everyone's business to be all over the internet (in the case o the TES volunteers) also, it really puts into perspective how widespread Casey's toxic soup has spread.

[BeastofBears]

Wow...Lyons is quoting case law, citing examples, and reading off statutes! It's kind of refreshing...and as a sartorial aside, she looks lovely. Really! flowered skirt, heels and hose, a nice blazer. Looks like she lost some weight as well. Good for her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow...Lyons is quoting case law, citing examples, and reading off statutes! It's kind of refreshing...

I liked the suggestion of a bench trial for the check fraud case and thought the attorney's argument that Baez and Lyon seem to have plenty of time for other cases, teaching, etc made sense, but Lyon drones on. It IS refreshing that she doesn't stumble through impossible to untangle pronouns like Baez does.

[Gatordog]

Poor Amy H. She's done a victim impact statement asking that the check trial move forward because it's just sitting there is causing her mental stress and the publicity is making it hard to get a job. So many people were sucked into this mess. (paraphrased)

Yup, poor thing, she was working when all this started. I think after the trial, she might have to change her last name if she wants to have a life.

[BeastofBears]

I liked the suggestion of a bench trial for the check fraud case and thought the attorney's argument that Baez and Lyon seem to have plenty of time for other cases, teaching, etc made sense, but Lyon drones on. It IS refreshing that she doesn't stumble through impossible to untangle pronouns like Baez does.

If you don't have time for a case, you should refer the accused to another attorney, imo. If a person's life is so important, shouldn't that take priority over other obligations? But she actually sounds like a real attorney. If there was more boring droning, case law citation, and less random weird incidents, this case would be like all the others, and be of just vague interest for most people. imo, of course...

[Gatordog]

Wow...Lyons is quoting case law, citing examples, and reading off statutes! It's kind of refreshing...and as a sartorial aside, she looks lovely. Really! flowered skirt, heels and hose, a nice blazer. Looks like she lost some weight as well. Good for her.

Yup, 95 degrees will do that to you....

[Gatordog]

I liked the suggestion of a bench trial for the check fraud case and thought the attorney's argument that Baez and Lyon seem to have plenty of time for other cases, teaching, etc made sense, but Lyon drones on. It IS refreshing that she doesn't stumble through impossible to untangle pronouns like Baez does.

Did you see Baez break into a big grin when the bench trial was suggested? His thought: Yeah, like that's ever going to happen.

[BeastofBears]

Yup, poor thing, she was working when all this started. I think after the trial, she might have to change her last name if she wants to have a life.

It would be a consideration if I was hiring. I wouldn't blame her, but I would worry about how much time she would have to take off work to do statements, preparation, testify...with all the delays so far, she could spend a week on the stand or just waiting to take it...imo

[lorettalockhorn]

Pretty sure I see the naughty finger in #7:

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20492438/detail.html

[BeastofBears]

Yup, 95 degrees will do that to you....

Well, I have high hopes then! Hubby will be in Miami soon, maybe he'll come back a hottie!

ps, thanks for the links!

[BeastofBears]

Pretty sure I see the naughty finger in #7:

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/20492438/detail.html

:eek: was that when George was on the stand?

At the end, did you see CA frantically trying to make contact with Casey? she was hopping up and down and swinging around trying to call out around the people near Casey, and it looked like Casey moved to make sure there was no line of sight. (imo)

[beemer]

Beemer, here's the popcorn you requested for today. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink033.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

You know, I feel like a frigging ghoul http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil03.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) because of the entertainment value of such a tragic and sad event. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-ashamed002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) But it's not going to stop me. :punch:

Gator
I hear ya. And thanks for the popcorn. Mmmmm good-passing some to you:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Is TL all lawyered up? It sure sounds to me like he needs it. For those who didn't see the hearing, the defense wanted his phone records and pings, saying something about him having been in the dumping area after meeting with Lee. paraphrased and iirc.

[beemer]

:eek: was that when George was on the stand?

At the end, did you see CA frantically trying to make contact with Casey? she was hopping up and down and swinging around trying to call out around the people near Casey, and it looked like Casey moved to make sure there was no line of sight. (imo)

I did note that Bob and thats how it appeared to me from our angle. It will be interesting to get the reporters take on that. I cant remember at which point it was said but i did LMFAO when Bozo pointed out-I'm a lawyer. Glad he clarified otherwise we may not have known. Way to cute with Mark asking to be up first in order to be available for his daughter's first day of school.

[BeastofBears]

I did note that Bob and thats how it appeared to me from our angle. It will be interesting to get the reporters take on that. I cant remember at which point it was said but i did LMFAO when Bozo pointed out-I'm a lawyer. Glad he clarified otherwise we may not have known. Way to cute with Mark asking to be up first in order to be available for his daughter's first day of school.

Yeah, interesting that JB and AL are too busy to get on with the one day check trial because of everything they have to do, but Nejame managed to be there his daughter's first day of school:shrug:

And yeah, I swung by sm and someone was saying maybe he should wear a button that says "I'm a lawyer", it might help, lol!

[beemer]

That was way too funny. Wonder if thats how he intro's himself at social gatherings:eek: I thought Liar looked like hay:) I must say she looks a bit better on the poundage side. However bags and circles under her eyes. What a glum look too. I wonder if her canteen acct. is not being topped up anymore. Maybe thats what she looked so pizzed about today at times. Poor Tony best strap in cuz it looks like they are gonna have a go at him.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yup, 95 degrees will do that to you....

Damn, it's only been 94 here. :cuss: :hat:

[BeastofBears]

That was way too funny. Wonder if thats how he intro's himself at social gatherings:eek: I thought Liar looked like hay:) I must say she looks a bit better on the poundage side. However bags and circles under her eyes. What a glum look too. I wonder if her canteen acct. is not being topped up anymore. Maybe thats what she looked so pizzed about today at times. Poor Tony best strap in cuz it looks like they are gonna have a go at him.

It feels like they are going to work their way through everyone she knows until something sticks.

Casey's aspect was totally different today, very serious, and she actually looked like she was paying attention. Maybe its sinking in? I have a feeling AL has been quite a wet blanket on Casey's gaiety...

all moo.

[lorettalockhorn]

:eek: was that when George was on the stand?

At the end, did you see CA frantically trying to make contact with Casey? she was hopping up and down and swinging around trying to call out around the people near Casey, and it looked like Casey moved to make sure there was no line of sight. (imo)

Yeah, and I missed that segment. Hope they clip Cindy, I want to see that.

[BeastofBears]

Damn, it's only been 94 here. :cuss: :hat:

foggy and cold as a witch's patoot out here.

[Marian Paroo]

Wow...Lyons is quoting case law, citing examples, and reading off statutes! It's kind of refreshing...and as a sartorial aside, she looks lovely. Really! flowered skirt, heels and hose, a nice blazer. Looks like she lost some weight as well. Good for her.

Here lawyers on all sides appear in knee length robes. No wigs, though.

Keeps down the distractions.

[beemer]

I do hope the fact that Liar will not even look at G&C will make them look at reality. They gotta be asking themselves why. C looked like she was making every visible attempt to catch Liar's attention. It was almost sad. I agree with Loretta that these folks best get on a reality page cuz the courtroom is gonna bring out alot of stuff. No place for a meltdown. Wait a minute tho-can they be in the courtroom since they are on the witness list????

[BeastofBears]

Yeah, and I missed that segment. Hope they clip Cindy, I want to see that.

I wonder if the naughty finger popped up when George was insisting Padilla and his folks only provided security. No lawyer here, but that did not sound helpful to the defense...

There was a really pathetic frenzy about it. It was one of those moments that makes me feel for her in spite of everything.

Who is that bald guy who is always with them? The one that looks like muscle? He was even in the background when George stormed the presser yesterday, I think.

[BeastofBears]

Here lawyers on all sides appear in knee length robes. No wigs, though.

Keeps down the distractions.

That is how it should be done, imo. Like school uniforms. Do the work, don't waste time worrying about clothes, don't run the risk of affecting the jury somehow with your clothes.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, interesting that JB and AL are too busy to get on with the one day check trial because of everything they have to do, but Nejame managed to be there his daughter's first day of school:shrug:

And yeah, I swung by sm and someone was saying maybe he should wear a button that says "I'm a lawyer", it might help, lol!

http://i25.tinypic.com/jf9g9h.jpg

[beemer]

Too funny Loretta :beer:

[BeastofBears]

lol!

[beemer]

K-guess my compassion is gone now-shoulda known better. G lied again for the skank. He states he has/had no idea who put up the $ for Liar's bail???? H/e/l/l even we knew where the 50 grand came from. Gimme a break G

[Marian Paroo]

That is how it should be done, imo. Like school uniforms. Do the work, don't waste time worrying about clothes, don't run the risk of affecting the jury somehow with your clothes.

Actually, all trials are bench trials here, the number of judges depends on the severity of the case.

But it still is so much more professional.

[applesandorange]

Darn it I missed all the courtroom action today. So what was the outcome? Are there any articles up yet? Sorry I'm being a PITA today but I got lots to do and little time to do it. My 4 year old got his tooth pulled yesterday and we have football and cheerleading practices this evening along with making dinner and taking care of the 4 year old. TIA! I really apprciate all the links you guys have been posting.

[BeastofBears]

Darn it I missed all the courtroom action today. So what was the outcome? Are there any articles up yet? Sorry I'm being a PITA today but I got lots to do and little time to do it. My 4 year old got his tooth pulled yesterday and we have football and cheerleading practices this evening along with making dinner and taking care of the 4 year old. TIA! I really apprciate all the links you guys have been posting.

you're not a pita! I don't think there are any rulings yet...

[BeastofBears]

K-guess my compassion is gone now-shoulda known better. G lied again for the skank. He states he has/had no idea who put up the $ for Liar's bail???? H/e/l/l even we knew where the 50 grand came from. Gimme a break G

He said that?! I was busy trying to get a good feed early on...

I got a thought. You know how the defense seems to be saying they needed TL phone records and pings to show he went to the Suburban area after meeting with Lee (emphasis mine). And it was also said they had compelling new evidence that the body had ben placed there while Casey was incarcerated? (am I following all this right? I was hunting a good feed early on...)

I have GOT to wonder what, in his attorney's words, Lee "spilled" in his deposition...I think there's a link, imo, moo, etc...

[Gatordog]

Is TL all lawyered up? It sure sounds to me like he needs it. For those who didn't see the hearing, the defense wanted his phone records and pings, saying something about him having been in the dumping area after meeting with Lee. paraphrased and iirc.

Yup, that's paraphrased pretty good. Now having been in the area shouldn't mean anything to a logical person because he doesn't live that far away and the tower is probably either on Goldenrod or Lee Vista. Is the defense going to make him Zanny? I can hear it now. This young man was madly in love with this woman but he himself said he did not want girls, only sons.......Uh Oh. She was madly in love with him and wanted to protect him....:rolleyes:

Beemer, keep your boys away from all women until they are old enough to think logically. :no:

[Gatordog]

I did note that Bob and thats how it appeared to me from our angle. It will be interesting to get the reporters take on that. I cant remember at which point it was said but i did LMFAO when Bozo pointed out-I'm a lawyer. Glad he clarified otherwise we may not have known. Way to cute with Mark asking to be up first in order to be available for his daughter's first day of school.

When he was the Ants attorney, I saw him with his daughter in Whole Foods. What a beautiful little girl. Mark is very petite, as you can probably tell and so is his daughter who long black curly hair and huge eyes. Beautiful. I could not comprehend how he could be involved in this case with such an adorable little girl. Now I know why, his concern was to find Caylee.

[Gatordog]

I wonder if the naughty finger popped up when George was insisting Padilla and his folks only provided security. No lawyer here, but that did not sound helpful to the defense...

There was a really pathetic frenzy about it. It was one of those moments that makes me feel for her in spite of everything.

Who is that bald guy who is always with them? The one that looks like muscle? He was even in the background when George stormed the presser yesterday, I think.

Don't know who he is...wondered the same thing. There was a big guy also at the defense table, sitting in the back. Looked like he was trying to shield the Liar from her parent's view.

Re Padilla...the only security he was providing was protecting his $500K. He wasn't there to protect the family. Looked foolish trying to deny that Padilla was protecting his investment and not the family. If I were the State Attorney, I would have asked "if you were so afraid for your safety, why were you and your wife always outside arguing with the protestors?" Hmmm?

gator

Uh oh - big storm here now lots of thunder and lightning :eek:

[Gatordog]

http://i25.tinypic.com/jf9g9h.jpg

:biggrin:

Difference is, Loretta spelled Lawyer correctly. ;)

[Gatordog]

Thanks for the links. Ghouls just wanna have fun. Pass that popcorn!

:biggrin:

Very Clever

[Justice Denied?]

Well, I have high hopes then! Hubby will be in Miami soon, maybe he'll come back a hottie!

ps, thanks for the links!

Don't get your hopes up too high. We have had 60+ days of 100 degree days in '09 and I haven't losdt an ounce. Of course, running from my air conditioned house to my air conditioned car to another air conditioned location isn't much exercise. LOL

[Justice Denied?]

I wonder if the naughty finger popped up when George was insisting Padilla and his folks only provided security. No lawyer here, but that did not sound helpful to the defense...

There was a really pathetic frenzy about it. It was one of those moments that makes me feel for her in spite of everything.

Who is that bald guy who is always with them? The one that looks like muscle? He was even in the background when George stormed the presser yesterday, I think.

Also, could someone please identify the man in the pink shirt and bright tie who was sitting next to Casey at one point, also the African-American man right behind them? TIA

[SaraSidle]

That was it.

They may well have suspected and were trying to make her stay put 'til they could get the evidence for a murder charge.

Smarter than the LE in charge of Haleigh's case :(

I believe that is true because the bond was huge Marian.

[applesandorange]

you're not a pita! I don't think there are any rulings yet...


Well thank you! Soonce again a fruitless hearing. Great.... just great. What's the point of having a hearing if nothing gets ruled on anyway?

[SaraSidle]

Yes, there's a picture in here of a sunflower and then the following week, another sunflower was in the newspaper and shown on TV.

Gator

Oh gator that is wonderful. thank you again. I have not read through all the posts so I will look for it. I am still trying to catch up.....sara

[SaraSidle]

Have you all seen the picture of the squirrel that walked into the frame of a couple who set the camera on a timer, posed for a photo, and the squirrel walked in for the photo? That's the squirrel.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/2774851/Photo-crashing-squirrel-the-latest-web-fad

yes I saw it this morning. what a squirrel. lookin good

[SaraSidle]

He said that?! I was busy trying to get a good feed early on...

I got a thought. You know how the defense seems to be saying they needed TL phone records and pings to show he went to the Suburban area after meeting with Lee (emphasis mine). And it was also said they had compelling new evidence that the body had ben placed there while Casey was incarcerated? (am I following all this right? I was hunting a good feed early on...)

I have GOT to wonder what, in his attorney's words, Lee "spilled" in his deposition...I think there's a link, imo, moo, etc...

that idea takes me back to the phone call from jail to Lee and all the wierd stuff they said to each other. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Don't get your hopes up too high. We have had 60+ days of 100 degree days in '09 and I haven't losdt an ounce. Of course, running from my air conditioned house to my air conditioned car to another air conditioned location isn't much exercise. LOL

there is absolutely no way I could handle that JD even with the air conditioning.

[wind149]

Well well well. Ms Casey has that jailhouse pallor going on big time and yes, she has gained weight, all that good starchy slop they feed them!! And the tears today, I think for the first time that they were real as I think it is finally getting to her, that she is going to be locked up for the rest of her life and I am sure that being in solitary confinement day after day, not seeing anyone but probably Bozo at times and the CO's is taking it's toll and she deserves nothing less for what she did to her beautiful child. And you all picked up on the fact that she did not want to make eye contact with Mommy too? Now she kinda acknowledged George and he does that throw a kiss crap, but whatever is going on internally between her and Cindy came slightly to the surface today. And scarily enough, she was subdued when she spoke to the media, something I have not seen in a long time, usually she is a drama queen, and today, completely deadpan. She did comment that it was good to see her daughter, but me thinks her daughter was not over joyed to see her at all!!!

Now here is this for a scenario. Her lawyers are trying to argue that Casey could not have put Caylee's body where it was found because she was in jail and that their strong argument seems to be about Tim Miller and the claim that that area was searched and her body was not there. Now a forensic botanist claims and I believe him, that the plant matter and vegetation found around and under the body had been there for months as long as Caylee had lain there, and that body fluids were present so that argument should go right out the window the minute he is on the stand and I think they want that squashed NOW before the trial so that he will not be called to testify and I hope the judge does not rule against it because that in itself is compelling evidence!!! And the ploy to keep LP from testifying too and I think they are worried about him, he is not a dumb man and he spent time with Casey and her dysfunctional family and Bozo is afraid of him, if he wasn't, he would not be trying so hard to get him eliminated from the pool of witnesses??? He could just shine him on and claim he is nothing more than a loud mouthed bounty hunter who has nothing valid to offer and IMO he does have a lot to offer!!!

And Bozo with his lawyer claim, me doth protest too much there!!! I think he is a lousy lawyer, the only reason he took this case is the high profile status and how much prestige he thinks he is going to get out of it!! And who is the large lady with the long hair? I did not catch her name and when did she hook up with the "Dream Team"??? Yes, I would say and with great satisfaction, that things are not going well for the Ice Princess, her color was terrible, she looked sickly and people do with the jailhouse look and it is not a good one for her, but she better get used to it, when she goes to death row, she will only have an hour out in a dog kennel, but I heard that she does not get to go outside at Orange CO?? And the prison food and the junk food she consumes is also taking a toll on her, but what else does she have to do in her cell but eat and read magazines??? God, that would so suck if I could not watch TV and go on my computer, but I never have to worry that I will land on the other side of the bars, I will be on the outside looking in !!!

I lost my train of thought due to my motor mouth, going back to the scenario. It is pretty clear that Caylee might have been in her car for at least a week for decomp to become at a horrible stench stage and then she was placed in the woods. Now, CA went to jail shortly after this all hit the media and then was bailed out briefly by LP, could it be possible that Cindy put Caylee in the woods? Now George is an emotional guy, prone to weeping, but Cindy has always struck me as being a very cold, unemotional person unless she gets pissed off, and do you think she could be cold enough to do that to her granddaughter??? I say this, because after today's obvious snub by CA towards Cindy, do you think they are getting close to turning on each other??? And I do think they left George out of the loop on this, because it is clear that he deeply loved Caylee and also deeply loves CA, if this is what went down, he was not privy to this at all and if it is true, he surely will lose it!!! I predicted a year ago, that they would probably get divorced over this and I stand behind it today, that whatever the outcome is for CA, it is going to be George that ends up devastated.

[lorettalockhorn]

George throwing that kiss to Casey was so pitiful, wonder if it was a response to her tears, which could have been just another manipulation. I found it pathetic since George seems to be in such denial. Sounds like the forensic botanists are going to have to go toe to toe on the flora evidence.

I missed a lot of today's hearing and will have to look for a video, but something that struck me odd (if I heard it right) was that Mark NeJame commented that Brad Conway had reviewed the TES records. Does that strike anyone else as unusual? I realize Conway's not part of The FIRM, but the Ants sure seem to be taking the party line re: Casey's innocence. What's up with their attorney reviewing information that the defense seems desperate to get hold of?

[SaraSidle]

George throwing that kiss to Casey was so pitiful, wonder if it was a response to her tears, which could have been just another manipulation. I found it pathetic since George seems to be in such denial. Sounds like the forensic botanists are going to have to go toe to toe on the flora evidence.

I missed a lot of today's hearing and will have to look for a video, but something that struck me odd (if I heard it right) was that Mark NeJame commented that Brad Conway had reviewed the TES records. Does that strike anyone else as unusual? I realize Conway's not part of The FIRM, but the Ants sure seem to be taking the party line re: Casey's innocence. What's up with their attorney reviewing information that the defense seems desperate to get hold of?

Loretta I have no idea about the TES records. I have not seen or heard about them at all. I did see part of the hearing though.
Cindy looks very tired and stressed. amost flat emotionally but I know that is not true. IMO sara

[Justice Denied?]

Well well well. Ms Casey has that jailhouse pallor going on big time and yes, she has gained weight, all that good starchy slop they feed them!! And the tears today, I think for the first time that they were real as I think it is finally getting to her, that she is going to be locked up for the rest of her life and I am sure that being in solitary confinement day after day, not seeing anyone but probably Bozo at times and the CO's is taking it's toll and she deserves nothing less for what she did to her beautiful child. And you all picked up on the fact that she did not want to make eye contact with Mommy too? Now she kinda acknowledged George and he does that throw a kiss crap, but whatever is going on internally between her and Cindy came slightly to the surface today. And scarily enough, she was subdued when she spoke to the media, something I have not seen in a long time, usually she is a drama queen, and today, completely deadpan. She did comment that it was good to see her daughter, but me thinks her daughter was not over joyed to see her at all!!!

Now here is this for a scenario. Her lawyers are trying to argue that Casey could not have put Caylee's body where it was found because she was in jail and that their strong argument seems to be about Tim Miller and the claim that that area was searched and her body was not there. Now a forensic botanist claims and I believe him, that the plant matter and vegetation found around and under the body had been there for months as long as Caylee had lain there, and that body fluids were present so that argument should go right out the window the minute he is on the stand and I think they want that squashed NOW before the trial so that he will not be called to testify and I hope the judge does not rule against it because that in itself is compelling evidence!!! And the ploy to keep LP from testifying too and I think they are worried about him, he is not a dumb man and he spent time with Casey and her dysfunctional family and Bozo is afraid of him, if he wasn't, he would not be trying so hard to get him eliminated from the pool of witnesses??? He could just shine him on and claim he is nothing more than a loud mouthed bounty hunter who has nothing valid to offer and IMO he does have a lot to offer!!!

And Bozo with his lawyer claim, me doth protest too much there!!! I think he is a lousy lawyer, the only reason he took this case is the high profile status and how much prestige he thinks he is going to get out of it!! And who is the large lady with the long hair? I did not catch her name and when did she hook up with the "Dream Team"??? Yes, I would say and with great satisfaction, that things are not going well for the Ice Princess, her color was terrible, she looked sickly and people do with the jailhouse look and it is not a good one for her, but she better get used to it, when she goes to death row, she will only have an hour out in a dog kennel, but I heard that she does not get to go outside at Orange CO?? And the prison food and the junk food she consumes is also taking a toll on her, but what else does she have to do in her cell but eat and read magazines??? God, that would so suck if I could not watch TV and go on my computer, but I never have to worry that I will land on the other side of the bars, I will be on the outside looking in !!!

I lost my train of thought due to my motor mouth, going back to the scenario. It is pretty clear that Caylee might have been in her car for at least a week for decomp to become at a horrible stench stage and then she was placed in the woods. Now, CA went to jail shortly after this all hit the media and then was bailed out briefly by LP, could it be possible that Cindy put Caylee in the woods? Now George is an emotional guy, prone to weeping, but Cindy has always struck me as being a very cold, unemotional person unless she gets pissed off, and do you think she could be cold enough to do that to her granddaughter??? I say this, because after today's obvious snub by CA towards Cindy, do you think they are getting close to turning on each other??? And I do think they left George out of the loop on this, because it is clear that he deeply loved Caylee and also deeply loves CA, if this is what went down, he was not privy to this at all and if it is true, he surely will lose it!!! I predicted a year ago, that they would probably get divorced over this and I stand behind it today, that whatever the outcome is for CA, it is going to be George that ends up devastated.

Wind,

I hate to disagree with you but I don't think Casey was really crying. I did not see a single tear even when the camera got really close. Her eyes were not watery and her eyelashes were not wet.

As far as Cindy disposing of the body - I don't think she knew at the time she called police what Casey had done but her tune changed about the time LP bailed her out of jail. Maybe she talked Cindy into doing something to cover up for her. Maybe she is afraid to look at Cindy for fear someone will figure it out. JMO, MOO

[SaraSidle]

Wind,

I hate to disagree with you but I don't think Casey was really crying. I did not see a single tear even when the camera got really close. Her eyes were not watery and her eyelashes were not wet.

As far as Cindy disposing of the body - I don't think she knew at the time she called police what Casey had done but her tune changed about the time LP bailed her out of jail. Maybe she talked Cindy into doing something to cover up for her. Maybe she is afraid to look at Cindy for fear someone will figure it out. JMO, MOO

Or maybe she is afraid Cindy's anger. I heard one of the TH say tonight that sociopaths can bring on the tears in a second. Or can be real while facing death if that has even sunk in yet..........IMO sara

[old_soul]

Loretta I have no idea about the TES records. I have not seen or heard about them at all. I did see part of the hearing though.
Cindy looks very tired and stressed. amost flat emotionally but I know that is not true. IMO sara

Hi Sara, thanks for the welcome back!

To all my goombalina's who pooped out early tonight...HEY, WTH?! Didn't you see CMA and her bountiful booty faking it today in the courtroom? This is something we need to discuss!

A woman of few words I am (:rolleyes::tongue:)....but................

let's order these t shirts!!! (nuff said) Get on with it already!!!!
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:seeya::beer:
Caylee:rose:

[One2Snoop]

George throwing that kiss to Casey was so pitiful, wonder if it was a response to her tears, which could have been just another manipulation. I found it pathetic since George seems to be in such denial. Sounds like the forensic botanists are going to have to go toe to toe on the flora evidence.

I missed a lot of today's hearing and will have to look for a video, but something that struck me odd (if I heard it right) was that Mark NeJame commented that Brad Conway had reviewed the TES records. Does that strike anyone else as unusual? I realize Conway's not part of The FIRM, but the Ants sure seem to be taking the party line re: Casey's innocence. What's up with their attorney reviewing information that the defense seems desperate to get hold of?

You can watch the entire thing here....

http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/CaseyAnthony/Video/Aug21Hearing.aspx

[Nawny]

I didn't see much but I saw enough to know there is something very fishy about Liar not wanting to connect with mother dearest. I've been thinking from the beginning that she is going to play the Mommy drivemecrazy card. She abused me mentally and emotionally boo hoo hooo, she's a bad person!

tic tic tic.. time will tell.:mad:


Thank you for all the great links and haterade theories and info. You are the finest of the finest!!! I was out all day today and missed the bada bing's.

[beemer]

Yup, that's paraphrased pretty good. Now having been in the area shouldn't mean anything to a logical person because he doesn't live that far away and the tower is probably either on Goldenrod or Lee Vista. Is the defense going to make him Zanny? I can hear it now. This young man was madly in love with this woman but he himself said he did not want girls, only sons.......Uh Oh. She was madly in love with him and wanted to protect him....:rolleyes:

Beemer, keep your boys away from all women until they are old enough to think logically. :no:

Haaaa well at this point one kinda just serial dates and one has a girlfriend but they only see each other every few weeks. Sports come first and gals must like sports :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Hi Sara, thanks for the welcome back!

To all my goombalina's who pooped out early tonight...HEY, WTH?! Didn't you see CMA and her bountiful booty faking it today in the courtroom? This is something we need to discuss!

A woman of few words I am (:rolleyes::tongue:)....but................

let's order these t shirts!!! (nuff said) Get on with it already!!!!
http://i31.tinypic.com/ri81ht.jpg


:seeya::beer:
Caylee:rose:

LOL only you OS only you.........love it

[beemer]

Thanks Snoop-I need to go back and review G on the stand. I dont remember the exact words but he said something to the effect of not knowing where the 50 G's was exactly coming from:mad: Those few tears Liar shed today. I do believe i did spot a few and her foul mood. Tears were for her. Foul mood is all about her. Perhaps she had to wake early. Maybe court interupted her submitting a canteen order. Maybe whomever supplies her with the dreadful court clothes sent her big girl panties. Whatever the case she sure looked like she had em in a knot :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Or maybe she is afraid Cindy's anger. I heard one of the TH say tonight that sociopaths can bring on the tears in a second. Or can be real while facing death if that has even sunk in yet..........IMO sara

Yep. Even though it appeared that Casey might actually have been paying attention and cogitating today, I think those tears were for herself. And I know what I saw, she flipped off Mr. Thumb of the Finger Family!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Sara, thanks for the welcome back!

To all my goombalina's who pooped out early tonight...HEY, WTH?! Didn't you see CMA and her bountiful booty faking it today in the courtroom? This is something we need to discuss!

A woman of few words I am (:rolleyes::tongue:)....but................

let's order these t shirts!!! (nuff said) Get on with it already!!!!
http://i31.tinypic.com/ri81ht.jpg


:seeya::beer:
Caylee:rose:

Great to see you! We've missed your photoshopping self. :tongue:

[One2Snoop]

Thanks Snoop-I need to go back and review G on the stand. I dont remember the exact words but he said something to the effect of not knowing where the 50 G's was exactly coming from:mad: Those few tears Liar shed today. I do believe i did spot a few and her foul mood. Tears were for her. Foul mood is all about her. Perhaps she had to wake early. Maybe court interupted her submitting a canteen order. Maybe whomever supplies her with the dreadful court clothes sent her big girl panties. Whatever the case she sure looked like she had em in a knot :shrug:

The only problem is you can't fast forward to where you left off. I was 35 minutes into it and no George yet. If anyone has a link that allows you to fast forward and stop to view the parts of the hearing you want to see, please post it. Thanks. :seeya:

[beemer]

OS-I want one in every color :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

You can watch the entire thing here....

http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/CaseyAnthony/Video/Aug21Hearing.aspx

Thanks so much! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

The only problem is you can't fast forward to where you left off. I was 35 minutes into it and no George yet. If anyone has a link that allows you to fast forward and stop to view the parts of the hearing you want to see, please post it. Thanks. :seeya:

You tube has several segments. You can pause and restart and jump ahead. Not sure what happened to Part 3 from InSessions. Some other videos also.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=casey+anthony+8%2F21%2F09&search_type=