Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[SuzDuJour]

Wag,

LOVE the descriptions - I was unable to load the video to see what he was wearing. Is a depo really different than a court hearing? My BF is retired LE and he showed up at court once wearing jeans - the judge told him to go home and put a suit on... maybe way more casual in Florida?

Anyway, keep up the colorful descriptions!

[Wagsy]

We can tell he's nervous just like Kathi Belich could. That twisting of the next and straining of the neck muscle as he gives his gum a few quick chops (but much more subtlely and politely than does the wonderful woman whom he is so glad stands beside him--well, not @ that moment, of course :D) A little baring of the teeth. And, of course, he admitted it to Kathi. ;) Really, tho, I would be a bundle of nerves, too. I would hope, however, that it would not be because I told so many versions of the situation, many of which would not coincide with the versions of my husband and son and even daughter.

I tho't he handled the interview really well, even w/the digs about the civil depo. Didn't fly off the handle or get defensive, etc. He really should have even worn blue jeans w/a polo shirt or something, with honest-to-God shoes and socks, tho. His casual was way over the top, IMO. He might be mouthing the words about how professional the state conducts the depo and how he will be answering honestly (DUH, George, that's sort of what under oath is supposed to encourage--honesty) and he hopes it isn't too emotional, etc. But his clothes pretty much say he disrespects the prosecution every bit as much as he disrespects M&M. IMO


I did notice he said he's glad she stands behind him but not that he loved her or that they have a close, loving relationship. He said outright that there are some things they don't talk about. What a shame. Going through such a stressful time in your lives, you'd think it would be made easier to share everything with your spouse, and just 'agree to disagree' when their opinions collide. That would be a form of effective communication.

ITA with your observation of what he said about professionalism verbally but the way he dressed non-verbally said the exact opposite. Nice post. :)

[Wagsy]

Wag,

LOVE the descriptions - I was unable to load the video to see what he was wearing. Is a depo really different than a court hearing? My BF is retired LE and he showed up at court once wearing jeans - the judge told him to go home and put a suit on... maybe way more casual in Florida?

Anyway, keep up the colorful descriptions!

Thanks for the compliments. I'm blushing! Yes, I still do even though I'm no young thing. My understanding of a deposition is answering specific questions under oath that will be used later in court. And a court hearing is standing before a judge but also answering questions under oath. I do know you have to dress up for court (been there with son :() I would dress up for a deposition also since it denotes respect. Ask your BF for clarification! :shrug: He'd probably know better than me about dress protocols.

[lorettalockhorn]

I did notice he said he's glad she stands behind him but not that he loved her or that they have a close, loving relationship. He said outright that there are some things they don't talk about. What a shame. Going through such a stressful time in your lives, you'd think it would be made easier to share everything with your spouse, and just 'agree to disagree' when their opinions collide. That would be a form of effective communication.

ITA with your observation of what he said about professionalism verbally but the way he dressed non-verbally said the exact opposite. Nice post. :)

G&C agree to disagree?!?!?! HHHHHAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHA

"Shut up."

"No. You shut up."

Not everyone reacts to stress in the same way, but sheesh, it's been over a year. You would think that by now they've found a way to talk. Or maybe they realized they could never agree or even agree to disagree so some things are now off limits.

Believe me, Leroy and I have things we don't discuss. And to tell you the truth, if he's as happy about that as I am, then I'm glad for him. Of course I'm talking about his harridan of a sister NOT our murdering narcissistic, liar of a daughter*.

*Disclaimer. We don't have a daughter, narcissistic, etc. or otherwise.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did y'all see this on NG tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4Cg5LZLTM

Gotta say, Nancy was cracking me up ragging on this girl. Dahlia Dippolito may be a match for Casey's narcissism!

[Wagsy]

G&C agree to disagree?!?!?! HHHHHAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHA

"Shut up."

"No. You shut up."

Not everyone reacts to stress in the same way, but sheesh, it's been over a year. You would think that by now they've found a way to talk. Or maybe they realized they could never agree or even agree to disagree so some things are now off limits.

Believe me, Leroy and I have things we don't discuss. And to tell you the truth, if he's as happy about that as I am, then I'm glad for him. Of course I'm talking about his harridan of a sister NOT our murdering narcissistic, liar of a daughter*.

*Disclaimer. We don't have a daughter, narcissistic, etc. or otherwise.


But, but, but.....if you're trying to "save" your daughter from everyone that's out to get her.....doncha' have to talk about things? They've put on the united front for the world to see. So, logically, wouldn't you talk over things as they come up - i.e. new doc dumps and what's in 'em, planning your next thing to keep the public aware of C being wrongfully charged, etc? :shrug: Or maybe they DID try to talk and the neighbors complained about the noise level. :D IDK, Dale and I talk over everything; about our families and how they act, current news, what our day was like, concerns we have about the kids or other things even though we realize we can't fix most of it. There ARE things from his past and mine that we won't ever tell anyone else - not even our kids but that's what makes us closer. Knowing you have that one person you can trust that won't go blab about it. Well, I guess I'm back to the issue of 'trust' and I know I've posted about it before to you. Thanks for listening once again!

I was trying to find the right cartoon pic to post for a "Load of Carp" but nothing fit from all my searches. :biggrin:

[Wagsy]

Did y'all see this on NG tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4Cg5LZLTM

Gotta say, Nancy was cracking me up ragging on this girl. Dahlia Dippolito may be a match for Casey's narcissism!

Transcript of tonight's show isn't up quite yet but that vid was a humdinger! Wow! Doncha' just envy those in LE? NOT.

[SuzDuJour]

Did y'all see this on NG tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4Cg5LZLTM

Gotta say, Nancy was cracking me up ragging on this girl. Dahlia Dippolito may be a match for Casey's narcissism!

I loved how she was screaming "NO, NO" and trying to get the officer to embrace her and he was totally not having any of it.

Did they say why she wanted him killed? I assume insurance?

[lorettalockhorn]

But, but, but.....if you're trying to "save" your daughter from everyone that's out to get her.....doncha' have to talk about things? They've put on the united front for the world to see. So, logically, wouldn't you talk over things as they come up - i.e. new doc dumps and what's in 'em, planning your next thing to keep the public aware of C being wrongfully charged, etc? :shrug: Or maybe they DID try to talk and the neighbors complained about the noise level. :D IDK, Dale and I talk over everything; about our families and how they act, current news, what our day was like, concerns we have about the kids or other things even though we realize we can't fix most of it. There ARE things from his past and mine that we won't ever tell anyone else - not even our kids but that's what makes us closer. Knowing you have that one person you can trust that won't go blab about it. Well, I guess I'm back to the issue of 'trust' and I know I've posted about it before to you. Thanks for listening once again!

I was trying to find the right cartoon pic to post for a "Load of Carp" but nothing fit from all my searches. :biggrin:

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHA

Well,we know they don't talk over everything because they had different descriptions of Zanny the Imaginanny for instance. Agree that they should be talking; just don't think they're capable of agreeing to disagree because they are basically disagreeable folks.

We talk about just about everything too, but using the subject of Leroy's sister as an example, what's the use or the point? She's mental and destructive and full of bile for life in general and me in particular. But he loves her and has very few people left. There is no way that I'm going to put her down or denigrate his relationship with her. It's an exercise in heaping on coals. She's the bad guy here. Does that make sense?

[BeastofBears]

You guys! I didn't see NG and had no idea what this was about, so I was feeling bad for her, and then bad that the man was dead and she might have done it, and had no idea it was a sting and he was fine until I googled...you guys played me!

[lorettalockhorn]

Transcript of tonight's show isn't up quite yet but that vid was a humdinger! Wow! Doncha' just envy those in LE? NOT.

They all knew that she was giving them a load of carp. Had to have been difficult to watch. (I tried to find something cute for load or carp too!!)

I loved how she was screaming "NO, NO" and trying to get the officer to embrace her and he was totally not having any of it.

Did they say why she wanted him killed? I assume insurance?

They're not saying much, but one of NG's guests said that they will be looking at the financial aspect as well as any diaries that DD may have kept to understand the motive.

When they got to the station, they let her see hubby alive in the next room. Now that's the vid I want to see! :hat:

[SaraSidle]

Thanks for the compliments. I'm blushing! Yes, I still do even though I'm no young thing. My understanding of a deposition is answering specific questions under oath that will be used later in court. And a court hearing is standing before a judge but also answering questions under oath. I do know you have to dress up for court (been there with son :() I would dress up for a deposition also since it denotes respect. Ask your BF for clarification! :shrug: He'd probably know better than me about dress protocols.

LOL Never hold back Wagsy............sara

[Wagsy]

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHA

Well,we know they don't talk over everything because they had different descriptions of Zanny the Imaginanny for instance. Agree that they should be talking; just don't think they're capable of agreeing to disagree because they are basically disagreeable folks.

We talk about just about everything too, but using the subject of Leroy's sister as an example, what's the use or the point? She's mental and destructive and full of bile for life in general and me in particular. But he loves her and has very few people left. There is no way that I'm going to put her down or denigrate his relationship with her. It's an exercise in heaping on coals. She's the bad guy here. Does that make sense?


Yep. Lots of sense. Sometimes the things we do for family, eh?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2mfi3gi.jpg

[BeastofBears]

Does an exploding whale qualify as a load of carp? What if you're on the beach when it happens, then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4 (stick with it-the second half is the good stuff)

[SaraSidle]

Did y'all see this on NG tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4Cg5LZLTM

Gotta say, Nancy was cracking me up ragging on this girl. Dahlia Dippolito may be a match for Casey's narcissism!

yes that was pretty good. Loretta.

[lorettalockhorn]

You guys! I didn't see NG and had no idea what this was about, so I was feeling bad for her, and then bad that the man was dead and she might have done it, and had no idea it was a sting and he was fine until I googled...you guys played me!

Sorry BoB, I should have been more clear. :punch:

[SaraSidle]

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHA

Well,we know they don't talk over everything because they had different descriptions of Zanny the Imaginanny for instance. Agree that they should be talking; just don't think they're capable of agreeing to disagree because they are basically disagreeable folks.

We talk about just about everything too, but using the subject of Leroy's sister as an example, what's the use or the point? She's mental and destructive and full of bile for life in general and me in particular. But he loves her and has very few people left. There is no way that I'm going to put her down or denigrate his relationship with her. It's an exercise in heaping on coals. She's the bad guy here. Does that make sense?

yes I love all DH relatives but his closest friends my mouth stays zipped. He knows how I feel and that is enough.........sara

[SaraSidle]

You guys! I didn't see NG and had no idea what this was about, so I was feeling bad for her, and then bad that the man was dead and she might have done it, and had no idea it was a sting and he was fine until I googled...you guys played me!

LOL just how bad do you feel now BOB?

[Wagsy]

They all knew that she was giving them a load of carp. Had to have been difficult to watch. (I tried to find something cute for load or carp too!!)

Looks like someone else wants their time in the spotlight and an Oscar for it too! If I had just taken it on face value, I'd have thought that cop was not very sympathetic for just telling her that her husband was dead :tongue:


When they got to the station, they let her see hubby alive in the next room. Now that's the vid I want to see! :hat:

Me too!




LOL Never hold back Wagsy............sara

Oops. Get carried away sometimes. The thoughts flow and the fingers just type. :o Guess sometimes I'll have to let out how I really feel on things :biggrin:

[Wagsy]

You guys! I didn't see NG and had no idea what this was about, so I was feeling bad for her, and then bad that the man was dead and she might have done it, and had no idea it was a sting and he was fine until I googled...you guys played me!

Bob I about got caught in the same trap except I watched a few other vids that seemed to be about the same thing. From their descriptions I was able to catch on. But I still want to see a vid posted of her face when she is told or sees her husband is alive (whichever came first)! Or both. Was she mad then instead of grief stricken?

[SaraSidle]

Bob I about got caught in the same trap except I watched a few other vids that seemed to be about the same thing. From their descriptions I was able to catch on. But I still want to see a vid posted of her face when she is told or sees her husband is alive (whichever came first)! Or both. Was she mad then instead of grief stricken?

yeah that would be priceless. they should put it on youtube as a deterrent. Don't know if it would work these days..........:)

[Wagsy]

Doctor: Convicted Murderer Had Brain Damage

Posted: 5:29 pm EDT August 6, 2009
Updated: 6:52 pm EDT August 6, 2009

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. -- According to a doctor who testified in court Thursday, a Brevard County man convicted of murdering an entire Titusville family was suffering from brain damage.

Convicted murderer Justin Heyne's attorney tried to convince a jury to recommend life in prison instead of death. The jury could start deliberations Friday.

Thursday they heard a lot of scientific evidence about what might have been going on inside the killer's head. After examining images of his brain, Dr. John Woo told the jury that Justin Heyne appeared to suffer brain damage that could affect impulse control.

His attorneys said that could have been the result of playing football as a child. The researcher is repeatedly hired by the Public Defender's Office to examine brain scans of defendants facing the death penalty.

Heyne is accused of shooting and killing Benjamin Hamilton, Sarah Bucoski and their five-year-old daughter Ivory in March of 2006 over a $300 debt.

Under cross examination, a psychologist testified that Heyne knew what he was doing and knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the shooting.

His defense attorneys are expecting to have Heyne's father and sister address the court Friday in their final appeal to jurors to keep Heyne off death row.

Friday, the jury could also hear from a former employee from the Department of Corrections. The defense will try to show that life in the general population is worse than sitting isolated on death row, because it's survival of the fittest in the state prison system.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20308115/detail.html
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Did Casey play football as a child?

[BeastofBears]

LOL just how bad do you feel now BOB?

Not so bad. I point and laugh at her now!

[BeastofBears]

I played rugby. Do I get one free one?

[SuzDuJour]

I played rugby. Do I get one free one?

Usually you only get a numbskull lawyer who thinks you do...

[BeastofBears]

Usually you only get a numbskull lawyer who thinks you do...

Good luck! One of my teammates was pre-law! After all those hits he MUST be a numskull by now!

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep. Lots of sense. Sometimes the things we do for family, eh?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2mfi3gi.jpg

Yes. And I need the BIG zipper too! :hat:

[BeastofBears]

Yes. And I need the BIG zipper too! :hat:

Don't MAKE me take that outta context :D

[Wagsy]

Don't MAKE me take that outta context :D

I won't MAKE ya' but I double dirty dog dare ya'. :biggrin: (No disrespect to dogs!)

Nite all - back to studying - fun time is over for me.

[Gatordog]

Doctor: Convicted Murderer Had Brain Damage

Posted: 5:29 pm EDT August 6, 2009
Updated: 6:52 pm EDT August 6, 2009

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. -- According to a doctor who testified in court Thursday, a Brevard County man convicted of murdering an entire Titusville family was suffering from brain damage.

Convicted murderer Justin Heyne's attorney tried to convince a jury to recommend life in prison instead of death. The jury could start deliberations Friday.

Thursday they heard a lot of scientific evidence about what might have been going on inside the killer's head. After examining images of his brain, Dr. John Woo told the jury that Justin Heyne appeared to suffer brain damage that could affect impulse control.

His attorneys said that could have been the result of playing football as a child. The researcher is repeatedly hired by the Public Defender's Office to examine brain scans of defendants facing the death penalty.

Heyne is accused of shooting and killing Benjamin Hamilton, Sarah Bucoski and their five-year-old daughter Ivory in March of 2006 over a $300 debt.

Under cross examination, a psychologist testified that Heyne knew what he was doing and knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the shooting.

His defense attorneys are expecting to have Heyne's father and sister address the court Friday in their final appeal to jurors to keep Heyne off death row.

Friday, the jury could also hear from a former employee from the Department of Corrections. The defense will try to show that life in the general population is worse than sitting isolated on death row, because it's survival of the fittest in the state prison system.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20308115/detail.html
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Did Casey play football as a child?

Maybe it's from the extreme heat od that straightening iron that the Nanny gave her. :D

This case was terrible. Father, mother and six year old daughter were all "killed by accident". The little girl "walked in front of the gun when it wenr off".

How can these lawyers say this carp with a straight face???

[Gatordog]

WFTV is waiting for news on a doc dump today!!!:beer:

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks so much! http://i31.tinypic.com/2s1udti.jpg

WFTV says today is the day...just waiting.

[Gatordog]

You asked for it and here goes. The shirt was like nothing I've ever seen before. Guess I'm not in the right part of the country. Are those common in Florida because of the heat or something? Was the color along the lines of the puke green that is supposed to be the color they wear in support of their daughter? And there was a Caylee button on the shirt too. Aaarrggghhhh. Enough already. He's talking about trying to get a job and people recognize him and don't hire him. Well, duh, tone it down buddy!

Then those shorts looked like the plaid curtains I put up in my son's room. Didn't realize men wore them too. My hubby and sons won't go near anything plaid if it's for the legs. Plaid dress shirts are okay. BTW, I'm not putting anyone down here. There are some men who look nice in plaid shorts at the right place (JMO) even though personal taste is different in our family. But then, they were probably fine if he was going to be using his boat after the depo or in case he got a call for a missing child walking on water as others so succinctly put it!! :rolleyes: (Now I'm going to have to do penance)

Going lower to knobby knees and ending up with those flip-flops. Is that so he can snap his sandals when he's upset instead of snapping chewing gum? Help the poor! Okay...the guy can't help God gave him those knees but don't emphasize them by wearing shorts that shout, "Look At Me!"

Gotta back up to the head. Is it normal for men to have perfectly black eyebrows and snow white hair? My hubby is salt n' peppa and he gets gray ones I love to pull! hehe Inflict a little pain...:tongue: But, I'm not that well versed in mens eyebrows so maybe someone can enlighten me there. Seems like the older men I see with mostly gray hair have a lot of gray in their eyebrows. Lordy, we have so much more to worry about than eyebrows...I'll drop the subject now. But please inject feedback on this. TIA

There - that's my http://i39.tinypic.com/333h26r.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/333h26r.jpg and more. Ahh, it feels better now that I let it out! These are my observations, opinions, etc.

See, very colorful and correct. As to that shirt, it's no color that I've seen on any other man in Florida. It must be Liar Green. The shorts, yes I've seen them before, usually on twenty year old guys on their way to the beach or a drinking party off campus.

[Gatordog]

I loved how she was screaming "NO, NO" and trying to get the officer to embrace her and he was totally not having any of it.

Did they say why she wanted him killed? I assume insurance?

They showed this on local news and the officer she was trying to hug, with little success, said she was all hysterical and crying but there wasn't one tear. I also noticed that she managed to hold on to her cell phone and car keys very nicely while being "in the throws of shock and despair".

Married only six months and looking to do her husband in...she's 26 he looks much older. Hey, she has long straightened hair and she appears to think she's a ten. Maybe she's Zanny???

Gator

[beemer]

They showed this on local news and the officer she was trying to hug, with little success, said she was all hysterical and crying but there wasn't one tear. I also noticed that she managed to hold on to her cell phone and car keys very nicely while being "in the throws of shock and despair".

Married only six months and looking to do her husband in...she's 26 he looks much older. Hey, she has long straightened hair and she appears to think she's a ten. Maybe she's Zanny???

Gator
Good catch there gator you found the trickster:biggrin: On the other posts-I would luv to have seen her face when she saw her hubby who was not dead!! That has to be a primo moment in a cops career;) I hope something new in the doc dump. Those lawyers coming up with a brain damage defense-well i am out of words :cuss: Give Nawners a hug from us today :rose:

[beemer]

See, very colorful and correct. As to that shirt, it's no color that I've seen on any other man in Florida. It must be Liar Green. The shorts, yes I've seen them before, usually on twenty year old guys on their way to the beach or a drinking party off campus.

My boys dress like that in summer. Could someone please tell G it just aint working for ya ;) Gawd whats next-G&C in matching outfits and sandals:D

[beemer]

Does an exploding whale qualify as a load of carp? What if you're on the beach when it happens, then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4 (stick with it-the second half is the good stuff)

Now that was a scream :D Gawd getting pelted with whale gut-lordy. Not a well thought out mission. I felt bad for the whale but he was dead so i guess they had to do something. I had hubby come in and have a boo-I already saw that he says. Then i showed him the video of the girl who tried to have her hubby offed. My plan was to see how he viewed it without knowing the story-replied Oh i saw that too and proceeded to tell me the story:(

[BeastofBears]

My boys dress like that in summer. Could someone please tell G it just aint working for ya ;) Gawd whats next-G&C in matching outfits and sandals:D

Oh no, not the Twinsies look...*shudder*

[beemer]

Oh no, not the Twinsies look...*shudder*

Well i guess the only good thing is he didn't go for the socks and sandals look:eek:

[BeastofBears]

Docs on the hoof!

http://www.wftv.com/news/20316176/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/news/20314235/detail.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-080709,0,1967471.story

[BeastofBears]

Cell phone info:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317220.pdf

[lorettalockhorn]

WFTV says today is the day...just waiting.

Thanks, Gator. I've got my pompoms ready. Just in case!

[BeastofBears]

This is weird, you guys...the phone records show Casey wasn't calling the babysitter. Why would that be? :shrug: (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/08/casey-anthony-wftv-notes-that-she-wasnt-phoning-babysitter-.html)

[Wagsy]

Doctor: Convicted Murderer Had Brain Damage

Posted: 5:29 pm EDT August 6, 2009
Updated: 6:52 pm EDT August 6, 2009

BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. -- According to a doctor who testified in court Thursday, a Brevard County man convicted of murdering an entire Titusville family was suffering from brain damage.

Convicted murderer Justin Heyne's attorney tried to convince a jury to recommend life in prison instead of death. The jury could start deliberations Friday.

Thursday they heard a lot of scientific evidence about what might have been going on inside the killer's head. After examining images of his brain, Dr. John Woo told the jury that Justin Heyne appeared to suffer brain damage that could affect impulse control.

His attorneys said that could have been the result of playing football as a child. The researcher is repeatedly hired by the Public Defender's Office to examine brain scans of defendants facing the death penalty.

Heyne is accused of shooting and killing Benjamin Hamilton, Sarah Bucoski and their five-year-old daughter Ivory in March of 2006 over a $300 debt.

Under cross examination, a psychologist testified that Heyne knew what he was doing and knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the shooting.

His defense attorneys are expecting to have Heyne's father and sister address the court Friday in their final appeal to jurors to keep Heyne off death row.

Friday, the jury could also hear from a former employee from the Department of Corrections. The defense will try to show that life in the general population is worse than sitting isolated on death row, because it's survival of the fittest in the state prison system.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20308115/detail.html
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Did Casey play football as a child?

Now which do they want? Death row (which in FL is pretty certain, right?) or general pop??? Too many brain farts lately. Also didn't know this was such a horrible case. (If Casey didn't get brain damage from playing football, are there other ways she could try to use this; like her mother dropped her on her head when she was a baby or she got hit in the head with a beer keg while partying) Me bad!!!

[Wagsy]

WFTV is waiting for news on a doc dump today!!!:beer:

Gator

Docs on the hoof!

http://www.wftv.com/news/20316176/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/news/20314235/detail.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-080709,0,1967471.story

You go girls! Thanks! http://i14.tinypic.com/6hh9aq8.jpg

[Wagsy]

*snip*
and a T-shirt similar to one worn by Anthony's 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony. The T-shirt says "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages."

http://www.wftv.com/news/20316176/detail.html


This isn't even cute especially if it was the tee shirt Caylee was wearing when killed. This really rocks my boat! :flamemad:

And - thinking of you Nawn! :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

This is weird, you guys...the phone records show Casey wasn't calling the babysitter. Why would that be? :shrug: (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/08/casey-anthony-wftv-notes-that-she-wasnt-phoning-babysitter-.html)

Well, natch Casey didn't call ZFG, because her instructions were to complete the items on the Timer 55 Todo List:

1) Keep your big ol mouth shut (except to fellate burritos or any other phallic food item.)

2) Incriminate yourself by watching movies with a theme of kidnapping and child murder. Borrow a shovel with some lame excuse about hardcore yardwork.

3) Write bad checks. But not on your own account hon, stick it to your BFF by ripping her off. Buy beer and a blue hoodie. Do not, I repeat, do NOT buy anything for Caylee.

4) Hide from the rents and lie to them about where Caylee is. Feel free to tell Cindy that Caylee is with me at the beach and don't worry about getting Caylee a new swimsuit or suntan lotion, I'll handle that. So much money, so little time! Or say we're at Disneyworld. Son Ricos!!!!! Act natural because I don't want your mother showing up on my doorstep with a hammer. And BTW, can you sneak into the house and steal Cindy's Little Black Book so she doesn't call or drop by? Never mind, I'll just let myself in with my key.

5) When you get caught tell two diferent stories about how I took Caylee. That'll confuse them. They'll never figure you out. You're too smart for them girl!

6) Contingencies: A) In the presence of your mother this note should self-destruct (much as you do), or Contingency B) In the presence of law enforcement, EAT THESE INSTRUCTIONS!

[BeastofBears]

Well. They didn't detect fluoride offgassing in the trunk. That is one of the markers of human as opposed to animal or other decomp. (I heard way back that is how dogs tell human from animal decomp scent)...They theorize that maybe a small child hasn't absorbed enough fluorinated stuff for it to be detected, but still, Baez can make hay of it, imo...

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317133.pdf

eta: there was a "decomposing" pizza in the trunk it says, but by page 3 says NO pizza. more for Baez to make hay of, imo...

Page 9 has a breakdown: chemicals commonly found with human decomp WERE found. Chemicals commonly found with animal decomp were NOT found.

[BeastofBears]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317108.pdf

What's with the random clear fingerprint on page 2 of this, no explanation or ?

[Wagsy]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317108.pdf

What's with the random clear fingerprint on page 2 of this, no explanation or ?

Is it a fingerprint lifted from somewhere in the trunk or from something in the car? Or is it a sample of Casey's fingerprint to match to ... other?... :shrug: Just says; Casey Evidence at the bottom of the page. :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Well. They didn't detect fluoride offgassing in the trunk. That is one of the markers of human as opposed to animal or other decomp. (I heard way back that is how dogs tell human from animal decomp scent)...They theorize that maybe a small child hasn't absorbed enough fluorinated stuff for it to be detected, but still, Baez can make hay of it, imo...

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317133.pdf

eta: there was a "decomposing" pizza in the trunk it says, but by page 3 says NO pizza. more for Baez to make hay of, imo...

Page 9 has a breakdown: chemicals commonly found with human decomp WERE found. Chemicals commonly found with animal decomp were NOT found.

Isn't this mostly information that we learned in another doc dump? Gotta be, because we were able to learn about the lack of fluoride in children's remains quite some time ago.

Didn't Henry Lee (shockingly) state on NG that there is precious little difference between the decomposition of animals and humans? Gee, I hate to go up against a brainiac like Dr. Lee, but I think he's Full O'Carp.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0807/20317108.pdf

What's with the random clear fingerprint on page 2 of this, no explanation or ?

Hope someone can get LE or the prosecution to leak what that's all about!?!

[Wagsy]

Gator - Or Anyone?

Do you know if the water you use in your home is fluoridated? Is it city water and do they add fluoride? Where I grew up, we had city water and fluoride was added to it.

Also, would you or anyone be able to find out whether Hopespring Drive has city water with fluoride in it? Could it be that Caylee didn't absorb much fluoride during her lifetime because of non-fluoridated water and how often did she brush her teeth with fluoride toothpaste? It's been recommended that those that live in areas with fluoride in the water NOT use a toothpaste with fluoride. JMO's

Could that be why there was not any found in the prelim's report? Just wondering...

[BeastofBears]

Gator - Or Anyone?

Do you know if the water you use in your home is fluoridated? Is it city water and do they add fluoride? Where I grew up, we had city water and fluoride was added to it.

Also, would you or anyone be able to find out whether Hopespring Drive has city water with fluoride in it? Could it be that Caylee didn't absorb much fluoride during her lifetime because of non-fluoridated water and how often did she brush her teeth with fluoride toothpaste? It's been recommended that those that live in areas with fluoride in the water NOT use a toothpaste with fluoride. JMO's

Could that be why there was not any found in the prelim's report? Just wondering...

A friend of Casey's said that Caylee was breastfed as well, so little fluoride there, which might contribute to the lack (is that an oxymoron?)

[BeastofBears]

Isn't this mostly information that we learned in another doc dump? Gotta be, because we were able to learn about the lack of fluoride in children's remains quite some time ago.

Didn't Henry Lee (shockingly) state on NG that there is precious little difference between the decomposition of animals and humans? Gee, I hate to go up against a brainiac like Dr. Lee, but I think he's Full O'Carp.



Hope someone can get LE or the prosecution to leak what that's all about!?!

You must be right: there's gotta be a reason I know about the dog thing, lol!

As for the fingerprint...I know what my dream is...but I would like to know wassup with that! It's so obviously just THERE, you know

[JLette]

Gator - Or Anyone?

Do you know if the water you use in your home is fluoridated? Is it city water and do they add fluoride? Where I grew up, we had city water and fluoride was added to it.

Also, would you or anyone be able to find out whether Hopespring Drive has city water with fluoride in it? Could it be that Caylee didn't absorb much fluoride during her lifetime because of non-fluoridated water and how often did she brush her teeth with fluoride toothpaste? It's been recommended that those that live in areas with fluoride in the water NOT use a toothpaste with fluoride. JMO's

Could that be why there was not any found in the prelim's report? Just wondering...

those are excellent points IMO

the city water where i live does not have fluoride in it and so my sons pediatrician gave him fluoride drops to compensate. as for the toothpaste, if they were buying "starter toothpaste" for Caylee to use then she was not getting it from that at all, and alot of the small childrens toothpaste that i have bought for my son when he was small and had a problem not swallowing the stuff was fluoride free so that it would be safe for children to swallow

[Wagsy]

A friend of Casey's said that Caylee was breastfed as well, so little fluoride there, which might contribute to the lack (is that an oxymoron?)

This may sound really mean but I'm surprised Caylee was or would have been breastfed. That takes patience and dedication not to mention the stretch marks that may appear later. :confused:

[Wagsy]

those are excellent points IMO

the city water where i live does not have fluoride in it and so my sons pediatrician gave him fluoride drops to compensate. as for the toothpaste, if they were buying "starter toothpaste" for Caylee to use then she was not getting it from that at all, and alot of the small childrens toothpaste that i have bought for my son when he was small and had a problem not swallowing the stuff was fluoride free so that it would be safe for children to swallow

My kids didn't get the 'fun' stuff, they had to make do with what Mom & Dad used! :D But I can understand now why they wouldn't put fluoride in those toothpastes because mine didn't always spit it all out either :rolleyes: Not to mention, there was hardly anything left to test on that little angel by the time she was found. :rose:

[BeastofBears]

This may sound really mean but I'm surprised Caylee was or would have been breastfed. That takes patience and dedication not to mention the stretch marks that may appear later. :confused:

I think it was Annie, but bet Loretta knows: she said Casey couldn't have hurt Caylee because she breastfed her. Honestly, I was surprised, too. imo.

[BeastofBears]

Here's more ping tracking and "behavioral analysis" type of thing-similar to what's been released but seems a bit more detailed. Notice when the pings show Casey leaving on the 16th-after 4 pm. Didn't George say they left at around 1 pm that day? iirc.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html

[Wagsy]

I believe I've found the Load O' Carp....:D To see my opinion; look at image below.

http://i31.tinypic.com/1572eyv.jpg

[Wagsy]

I think it was Annie, but bet Loretta knows: she said Casey couldn't have hurt Caylee because she breastfed her. Honestly, I was surprised, too. imo.

Well, it does 'enhance' parts of your anatomy for a while...till you quit, iirc. :tongue: :punch: Don't want to get too technical or plain-spoken.

[JLette]

I think it was Annie, but bet Loretta knows: she said Casey couldn't have hurt Caylee because she breastfed her. Honestly, I was surprised, too. imo.

well, breastfeeding is said to promote stronger bonding between mother and child, and if that is true (which i tend to think it is) and she DID breastfeed Caylee then that just makes what she did that much worse IMO

[Wagsy]

Here's more ping tracking and "behavioral analysis" type of thing-similar to what's been released but seems a bit more detailed. Notice when the pings show Casey leaving on the 16th-after 4 pm. Didn't George say they left at around 1 pm that day? iirc.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html

Aye. I think you're recalling correctly. And if my 'military time' is correct it agrees with your 4pmish time. But, did she leave earlier, NOT USE her cell phone for 3 hours and then come back? Does it track only when you call or text? Not that much into cell phones. :shrug: Would she have gone three hours while awake and not used her cell phone? Or, did she leave it at home charging while out? These are just thingys popping into my head. IMO's

[BeastofBears]

Aye. I think you're recalling correctly. And if my 'military time' is correct it agrees with your 4pmish time. But, did she leave earlier, NOT USE her cell phone for 3 hours and then come back? Does it track only when you call or text? Not that much into cell phones. :shrug: Would she have gone three hours while awake and not used her cell phone? Or, did she leave it at home charging while out? These are just thingys popping into my head. IMO's

COULD she have gone three hours while awake and not use her cell phone?

[Wagsy]

well, breastfeeding is said to promote stronger bonding between mother and child, and if that is true (which i tend to think it is) and she did breastfeed caylee then that just makes what she did that much worse imo
ITA - can socio's bond?

[Wagsy]

COULD she have gone three hours while awake and not use her cell phone?
There's that crux of the biscuit again. (Borrowing from another poster's eloquent language). Not to mention the bewildered look on your avatar's face says it all Bob!

[lorettalockhorn]

Gator - Or Anyone?

Do you know if the water you use in your home is fluoridated? Is it city water and do they add fluoride? Where I grew up, we had city water and fluoride was added to it.

Also, would you or anyone be able to find out whether Hopespring Drive has city water with fluoride in it? Could it be that Caylee didn't absorb much fluoride during her lifetime because of non-fluoridated water and how often did she brush her teeth with fluoride toothpaste? It's been recommended that those that live in areas with fluoride in the water NOT use a toothpaste with fluoride. JMO's

Could that be why there was not any found in the prelim's report? Just wondering...

From what was posted earlier in the thread (when this fluoride information first came out), my takeaway was that children simply don't retain fluoride. Fluoride occurs naturally in addition to being added to the water supply, toothpaste and supplements.

[lorettalockhorn]

This may sound really mean but I'm surprised Caylee was or would have been breastfed. That takes patience and dedication not to mention the stretch marks that may appear later. :confused:

Not to mention laying off the booze!

I nursed My Little Love and the babes of two of my friends and don't have stretch marks. Ya think that's because I went back to being Olive Oyl after everyone was weaned?!?

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's more ping tracking and "behavioral analysis" type of thing-similar to what's been released but seems a bit more detailed. Notice when the pings show Casey leaving on the 16th-after 4 pm. Didn't George say they left at around 1 pm that day? iirc.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20318259/detail.html

Haven't read this link yet, but Georgie did say that she left shorty before 1pm. It looked to me like (from another link or another dump) that Casey might have waited for him to go to work and then circled back. Or was simply nearby rather than "at work".

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it was Annie, but bet Loretta knows: she said Casey couldn't have hurt Caylee because she breastfed her. Honestly, I was surprised, too. imo.

Oops! Got out of order here, sorry. Was thinking that it was the neighbor who babysat Caylee for a while, the one who's on the board of directors of the foundation. Name escapes me.

[lorettalockhorn]

I believe I've found the Load O' Carp....:D To see my opinion; look at image below.

http://i31.tinypic.com/1572eyv.jpg

Would DeepH2O think we're nuts if we had a thread with out favorite smilies and pix? We cannot lose that one again, glad you found it!

[lorettalockhorn]

Gator - Or Anyone?

Do you know if the water you use in your home is fluoridated? Is it city water and do they add fluoride? Where I grew up, we had city water and fluoride was added to it.

Also, would you or anyone be able to find out whether Hopespring Drive has city water with fluoride in it? Could it be that Caylee didn't absorb much fluoride during her lifetime because of non-fluoridated water and how often did she brush her teeth with fluoride toothpaste? It's been recommended that those that live in areas with fluoride in the water NOT use a toothpaste with fluoride. JMO's

Could that be why there was not any found in the prelim's report? Just wondering...

Can't tell if Hopespring is in the service area, but according to this fluoride is added to the water supply (page 2) and the the '08 water quality test results are on P8:

http://www.ouc.com/news/pub/wqr-2009.pdf

[BeastofBears]

Can't tell if Hopespring is in the service area, but according to this fluoride is added to the water supply (page 2) and the the '08 water quality test results are on P8:

http://www.ouc.com/news/pub/wqr-2009.pdf

Dude...now I know more about the water quality, cell tower ranges, local hotels, check-cashing establishments, native plant life, and tow yards for Orlando than I do about my own town. THAT...is sad.

[lorettalockhorn]

Dude...now I know more about the water quality, cell tower ranges, local hotels, check-cashing establishments, native plant life, and tow yards for Orlando than I do about my own town. THAT...is sad.

LMAO I told Leroy something similar not too long ago. I'm like when the heck did we get a Starbucks and how do I get there? But I could probably drive blindfolded from G&C's to JB Park and Suburban and the E Colonial stinkmobile location. :confused:

[BeastofBears]

'night! :seeya:

[Amy]

Now that was a scream :D Gawd getting pelted with whale gut-lordy. Not a well thought out mission. I felt bad for the whale but he was dead so i guess they had to do something. I had hubby come in and have a boo-I already saw that he says. Then i showed him the video of the girl who tried to have her hubby offed. My plan was to see how he viewed it without knowing the story-replied Oh i saw that too and proceeded to tell me the story:(

Sounds like your hubby needs a second job or something, if he has the time to see all this internet stuff before you!!! lol!!!!

[Amy]

I think it was Annie, but bet Loretta knows: she said Casey couldn't have hurt Caylee because she breastfed her. Honestly, I was surprised, too. imo.

I tho't it was Lauren, or whomever the girl was who babysat Caylee for free? Altho, I'd be hard set to find something positive to say about a woman who lied to me, thinking I was doing her a favor by sitting for free whilst she "worked."

[beemer]

Sounds like your hubby needs a second job or something, if he has the time to see all this internet stuff before you!!! lol!!!!
No kidding Amy LOL he saw it on tv-states thats what i do when you are on the puter:shrug:

[beemer]

ITA - can socio's bond?

Nope-only with herself :eek:

[BeastofBears]

Now that the depositions are over, I notice that Conway has not said that the Parents Anthony no longer need legal representation. Yet Lee's attorney said that Lee "spilled" everything and no longer needs his representation.

I still think the Luka resignation is interesting, in the fact it happened, the way it happened, and certainly in the way he worded it...even if he has said he will be available in the future if needed.

[Gatordog]

Gator - Or Anyone?

Do you know if the water you use in your home is fluoridated? Is it city water and do they add fluoride? Where I grew up, we had city water and fluoride was added to it.

Also, would you or anyone be able to find out whether Hopespring Drive has city water with fluoride in it? Could it be that Caylee didn't absorb much fluoride during her lifetime because of non-fluoridated water and how often did she brush her teeth with fluoride toothpaste? It's been recommended that those that live in areas with fluoride in the water NOT use a toothpaste with fluoride. JMO's

Could that be why there was not any found in the prelim's report? Just wondering...

Our water does have fluoride but it also doesn't taste good - a lot of chlorine. Most people either have a water softener or filter or drink bottle water. I hate the feel of softened water so I drink bottled which wouldn't have the fluoride.

[beemer]

This may sound really mean but I'm surprised Caylee was or would have been breastfed. That takes patience and dedication not to mention the stretch marks that may appear later. :confused:
Yeah-I would be interested to know how long she breast fed for-it would require her to drag her sorry azz out of bed night after night. Not to mention how many times a night. I just cant see that happening :shrug:

[Native Alien]

Our water does have fluoride but it also doesn't taste good - a lot of chlorine. Most people either have a water softener or filter or drink bottle water. I hate the feel of softened water so I drink bottled which wouldn't have the fluoride.

Evening everyone.

One point on the water with fluoride is that every time you see the older Anthonys they have a bottle of water in hand. I would think that Caylee had alot of bottled water in her life. It is likely that is all the water that she had. Simply because of the fluoride and chlorine issue.

[BeastofBears]

Yeah-I would be interested to know how long she breast fed for-it would require her to drag her sorry azz out of bed night after night. Not to mention how many times a night. I just cant see that happening :shrug:

Maybe that's what trained her circadian rhythms for all the nights she later spent out :)

[BeastofBears]

Evening everyone.

One point on the water with fluoride is that every time you see the older Anthonys they have a bottle of water in hand. I would think that Caylee had alot of bottled water in her life. It is likely that is all the water that she had. Simply because of the fluoride and chlorine issue.

Yes, but JB will still be all over it. I don't doubt it was human decomp in there, and I know the prosecution can explain the lack of fluoride, but who knows what a juror might think...

I think I am getting glad she never called 911. Because I think that lack of call is the best evidence against her. imo, that is what the jury will take as their final tipping point on the verdict.

all imo

[Amy]

Yes, but JB will still be all over it. I don't doubt it was human decomp in there, and I know the prosecution can explain the lack of fluoride, but who knows what a juror might think...

I think I am getting glad she never called 911. Because I think that lack of call is the best evidence against her. imo, that is what the jury will take as their final tipping point on the verdict.

all imo

I'm betting that, if she had called 911 when Caylee died, this case would be like the one in CA. The mom reported she had been carjacked, and had head "injuries" and woke up in a park and her little girl was gone. When the dust settled, she led LE to her baby's almost final resting place along a highway. "It was an accident." And, there really hasn't been much more word @ all--I can't even remember if this "mom" was arrested.

However Caylee died, she might have been able to pass it off as an accident (she would have to have removed the damn duct tape and heart first, of course.) She might have been able to plea down to involuntary manslaughter or something.

[BeastofBears]

I'm betting that, if she had called 911 when Caylee died, this case would be like the one in CA. The mom reported she had been carjacked, and had head "injuries" and woke up in a park and her little girl was gone. When the dust settled, she led LE to her baby's almost final resting place along a highway. "It was an accident." And, there really hasn't been much more word @ all--I can't even remember if this "mom" was arrested.

However Caylee died, she might have been able to pass it off as an accident (she would have to have removed the damn duct tape and heart first, of course.) She might have been able to plea down to involuntary manslaughter or something.

She was and is being prosecuted. California is just way more quiet about these things because there's no Sunshine Law to fuel the fire (imo)

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/28/local/me-mother28

A main difference is she almost immediately recanted her story and helped to find the body, but still claimed it was an accident.

[beemer]

Maybe that's what trained her circadian rhythms for all the nights she later spent out :)

You may be right Bob-down the road night time seemed to be the time she did her best "work" :eek:

[DrewBerry]

[QUOTE=Wagsy;9209652]ITA - can socio's bond?[/QUOTE

Good ? Wag. IMHO, NO! I'm sure Casey just went thru the motions. Another act.

DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Yeah-I would be interested to know how long she breast fed for-it would require her to drag her sorry azz out of bed night after night. Not to mention how many times a night. I just cant see that happening :shrug:

Hey Beemer! I'm with you. Can't see it happening, either. It would require bonding, closeness, what's in the best interest of the infant. Casey possesses none of the above qualities. JMO.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9209637]Isn't this mostly information that we learned in another doc dump? Gotta be, because we were able to learn about the lack of fluoride in children's remains quite some time ago.

Didn't Henry Lee (shockingly) state on NG that there is precious little difference between the decomposition of animals and humans? Gee, I hate to go up against a brainiac like Dr. Lee, but I think he's Full O'Carp.



Hope someone can get LE or the prosecution to leak what that's all about!?!

Hi Loretta.:seeya: Dr. Lee has made some pretty far-fetched statements in the past few years. But, he's the expert, not me. I've lost a lot of respect for him as he seems to be luvin' the media attention. And, yes. He is full of crap when comparing human/animal decomp. JMO.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

well, breastfeeding is said to promote stronger bonding between mother and child, and if that is true (which i tend to think it is) and she DID breastfeed Caylee then that just makes what she did that much worse IMO

Totally agree with ya, JLette.

DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Well, natch Casey didn't call ZFG, because her instructions were to complete the items on the Timer 55 Todo List:

1) Keep your big ol mouth shut (except to fellate burritos or any other phallic food item.)

2) Incriminate yourself by watching movies with a theme of kidnapping and child murder. Borrow a shovel with some lame excuse about hardcore yardwork.

3) Write bad checks. But not on your own account hon, stick it to your BFF by ripping her off. Buy beer and a blue hoodie. Do not, I repeat, do NOT buy anything for Caylee.

4) Hide from the rents and lie to them about where Caylee is. Feel free to tell Cindy that Caylee is with me at the beach and don't worry about getting Caylee a new swimsuit or suntan lotion, I'll handle that. So much money, so little time! Or say we're at Disneyworld. Son Ricos!!!!! Act natural because I don't want your mother showing up on my doorstep with a hammer. And BTW, can you sneak into the house and steal Cindy's Little Black Book so she doesn't call or drop by? Never mind, I'll just let myself in with my key.

5) When you get caught tell two diferent stories about how I took Caylee. That'll confuse them. They'll never figure you out. You're too smart for them girl!

6) Contingencies: A) In the presence of your mother this note should self-destruct (much as you do), or Contingency B) In the presence of law enforcement, EAT THESE INSTRUCTIONS!

You are hysterical, Loretta~ Can't stop laughing. :DThe entire saga is so f'ing absurd!!!
DrewB

[beemer]

You are hysterical, Loretta~ Can't stop laughing. :DThe entire saga is so f'ing absurd!!!
DrewB
Hey Drew:beer: Gawd loretta how did i miss that post. I agree with Drew LMFAO. That was just classic:biggrin::hat::D Still LMFAO:beer:

[lighthousedazy]

Hey Drew:beer: Gawd loretta how did i miss that post. I agree with Drew LMFAO. That was just classic:biggrin::hat::D Still LMFAO:beer: I agree with you girls. It wouldn't be so funny if it weren't soooo true. :biggrin:

[Justice Denied?]

Is it a fingerprint lifted from somewhere in the trunk or from something in the car? Or is it a sample of Casey's fingerprint to match to ... other?... :shrug: Just says; Casey Evidence at the bottom of the page. :confused:

Maybe it is from the duct tape and was labeled Casey evidence to keep the Defense from realizing what the Prosecution had. We know they have to put all their evidence into discovery. Just hoping.

[Justice Denied?]

COULD she have gone three hours while awake and not use her cell phone?

I think it is quite possible, if she was in the process of murdering her child, getting rid of evidence and disposing of the body. She made good time accomplishing all that. Sorry, I'm being ugly.

[lorettalockhorn]

You are hysterical, Loretta~ Can't stop laughing. :DThe entire saga is so f'ing absurd!!!
DrewB

hehehe I almost hope that The FIRM comes into court with the whole imaginanny story, complete with the Timer 55 saga.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe it is from the duct tape and was labeled Casey evidence to keep the Defense from realizing what the Prosecution had. We know they have to put all their evidence into discovery. Just hoping.

I wish, but

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources told Local 6 News Monday that no fingerprints were located on the duct tape found wrapped around the skull of Caylee Anthony...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18728295/detail.html

I think Blink reported that she had a source who says fingerprints were found. Was her source Leonard Padilla??

Just not sure how the prosecution would be able to keep something like that out of discovery for this length of time.

[Justice Denied?]

Yes, but JB will still be all over it. I don't doubt it was human decomp in there, and I know the prosecution can explain the lack of fluoride, but who knows what a juror might think...

I think I am getting glad she never called 911. Because I think that lack of call is the best evidence against her. imo, that is what the jury will take as their final tipping point on the verdict.

all imo

Well, I don't know what convinced everyone else that Casey was guilty, but for me it was the evidence from the car. Up until that point I thought it was possible that Casey had Caylee stashed somewhere just to spite Cindy and then her lies caused her to get in over her head. I still think it's some of the most important evidence despite the floride evidence. JMO, MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, I don't know what convinced everyone else that Casey was guilty, but for me it was the evidence from the car. Up until that point I thought it was possible that Casey had Caylee stashed somewhere just to spite Cindy and then her lies caused her to get in over her head. I still think it's some of the most important evidence despite the floride evidence. JMO, MOO

The lack of the presence of fluoride doesn't deter me from voting GUILY either!

ETA: I thought Caylee was dead when it came out that Casey had waited 31 days to "come clean" and then only at Cindy's insistence.

[Amy]

She was and is being prosecuted. California is just way more quiet about these things because there's no Sunshine Law to fuel the fire (imo)

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/apr/28/local/me-mother28

A main difference is she almost immediately recanted her story and helped to find the body, but still claimed it was an accident.

Thanks. It was on another board, but even the folks posting from out there had a hard time finding any info. If ya remember when the trial comes about, it they have any particulars, hope you can post in here (or on the anything board.)

I think both things made a difference--the fact that she reported her baby missing right away, and the Sunshine Law. Plus, don't think her parents were on every talk show in town, either. I do remember a statement from grandpa--a reminence really--but nothing else. If they are supporting their daughter, it is quietly.

[Justice Denied?]

I wish, but

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources told Local 6 News Monday that no fingerprints were located on the duct tape found wrapped around the skull of Caylee Anthony...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18728295/detail.html

I think Blink reported that she had a source who says fingerprints were found. Was her source Leonard Padilla??

Just not sure how the prosecution would be able to keep something like that out of discovery for this length of time.

IIRC, at one point the THs were saying that the results from all the pieces of tape hadn't been in the doc dumps, or maybe I read that here. Speculation was the ones with the prints were being held til closer to court date. Like I said, probably NOT, but I keep hoping.

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC, at one point the THs were saying that the results from all the pieces of tape hadn't been in the doc dumps, or maybe I read that here. Speculation was the ones with the prints were being held til closer to court date. Like I said, probably NOT, but I keep hoping.

Not sure if all the tape is accounted for, but maybe, just maybe some outfit has a newfangled test that will produce a print. It does seem that if the prosecution hangs on to evidence for too long that the defense will ask for delays for independent testing.

[BeastofBears]

Well, I don't know what convinced everyone else that Casey was guilty, but for me it was the evidence from the car. Up until that point I thought it was possible that Casey had Caylee stashed somewhere just to spite Cindy and then her lies caused her to get in over her head. I still think it's some of the most important evidence despite the floride evidence. JMO, MOO

True. I held out that she might have run afoul of druggies or who knows who in her activities...but the car evidence proved to me Caylee was dead. Once that was proven, then going back, to me her most suspicious act was her first: not calling. And even then I still held out "hope" that Caylee was accidently overdosed. Then came the body and the duct tape...

The jury will know Caylee is dead from the start of the trial, so they will have a lot less time to mull over the many possibilities we have over this.

imo, moo, and all that good stuff.

[BeastofBears]

IIRC, at one point the THs were saying that the results from all the pieces of tape hadn't been in the doc dumps, or maybe I read that here. Speculation was the ones with the prints were being held til closer to court date. Like I said, probably NOT, but I keep hoping.

I remember that...iirc I counted 4 pieces of tape in the evidence "roster", but only 3 pieces were submitted to the FBI for latent print testing. There is faint hope for that...

[DrewBerry]

hehehe I almost hope that The FIRM comes into court with the whole imaginanny story, complete with the Timer 55 saga.

Ha! Me too! Loretta. :beer:
Wouldn't that be THE BEST!! I can see Bozo now. . .with his flip charts, maps, flow charts including Timer 55 and how it ALL MAKES SENSE to a young, vulnerable, frightened little mother of a toddler. I bet he even goes into how a 22 yr. old's brain isn't mature enough to think to call 911 and 31 days is a normal response to an immature, overwhelmed mommie!!
Whoa, here I go.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Well, I don't know what convinced everyone else that Casey was guilty, but for me it was the evidence from the car. Up until that point I thought it was possible that Casey had Caylee stashed somewhere just to spite Cindy and then her lies caused her to get in over her head. I still think it's some of the most important evidence despite the floride evidence. JMO, MOO

Hey JD. The evidence in the car is overwhelming. However, I was convinced prior to that when I heard the tape when Cindy calls 911 and puts Casey on the phone with the dispatcher. Casey states in a very matter-of-fact way, "My daughter's been missing 31 days." Period. That sealed it for me. No emotion, no frantic plea, nothing.
DrewB

[Gatordog]

I wish, but

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources told Local 6 News Monday that no fingerprints were located on the duct tape found wrapped around the skull of Caylee Anthony...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18728295/detail.html

I think Blink reported that she had a source who says fingerprints were found. Was her source Leonard Padilla??

Just not sure how the prosecution would be able to keep something like that out of discovery for this length of time.

It is permissible to omit information from sunshine law discovery which is ongoing in the investigation.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/sunmanual/1BB05D142D8E4724852566F3006C7A1A

[lorettalockhorn]

It is permissible to omit information from sunshine law discovery which is ongoing in the investigation.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/sunmanual/1BB05D142D8E4724852566F3006C7A1A

I understand, just think the problem with that is that it will give the defense an edge when asking the judge for a delay in order to allow their own experts time to examine the evidence. And you know that if Casey's prints are anywhere, that is going to happen. As it should.

Not likely that Casey is going to avoid arrest or prosecution here.

[deacon]

On Dr. Lee, his testimony is going to have to go up against the hallmark of labs who do this type of work. There will be another Dr. Expert on the stand for the prosecution who, IMO, will tear him apart. Remember, Dr. Lee is not held in nearly as high a regard as he once was. There is cause to think he may withhold or change what he calls evidence and I am sure that will come out or is already known.

[beemer]

I remember the first thought that popped into my head when i heard this case and that Liar had not called police-that poor child is dead. Everything that came after that just bolstered it. Lots of evidence in this one that supports it is more likely than not that Liar did it. I think she will go down without a juror batting an eye lash. As long as they are sensible and normal :D Its the sum of it all but i think the fact that she did not call and how she behaved will be a huge downfall for Liar in opening:beer:

[beemer]

The "Firm" can attack the fluoride issue all they want in my opine-dont forgot there is the hair with the death band to sipport the findings. Not to mention details we still dont know.

[deacon]

The "Firm" can attack the fluoride issue all they want in my opine-dont forgot there is the hair with the death band to sipport the findings. Not to mention details we still dont know.

I feel like the scientists from the Body Farm will shoot their attack full of holes large enough to fit the guilty verdict through. That and the rope.

[lorettalockhorn]

The "Firm" can attack the fluoride issue all they want in my opine-dont forgot there is the hair with the death band to sipport the findings. Not to mention details we still dont know.

Good point! :seeya:

[beemer]

Lordy-I think i need some zzzzz's meant support not sipport:shrug::seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Lordy-I think i need some zzzzz's meant support not sipport:shrug::seeya:

S'ok. We just read your mind. http://i7.tinypic.com/2db5nab.jpg

[Amy]

The "Firm" can attack the fluoride issue all they want in my opine-dont forgot there is the hair with the death band to sipport the findings. Not to mention details we still dont know.

And, wasn't that hair determined to be from a female in the A family, and since Cindy and Casey are both alive, that it would belong to the one "missing" @ the time of the testing, and later to be found dead?

Despite George's protestations that someone put another dead body in that trunk.

[Amy]

I feel like the scientists from the Body Farm will shoot their attack full of holes large enough to fit the guilty verdict through. That and the rope.

Let's hope there aren't people on the panel who would consider this "junk science" which the defense is surely going to with. @ least, they have mentioned "junk science" for about everything--including DNA....have they been living under a dadblasted rock for the last 20 years?????" :punch:

I worry about Dr Lee's practice--if he is of the impression that scientists have no way of telling whether decomp might be from a human or animal, I certainly don't want to entrust him for investigation. He used to have a show on probably CTV, maybe A&E, where he was a top-notch go-to guy for forensic medicine. Then, he started showing up in trials and spitting ketchup or planting (or was that removing) evidence. Wonder, where DID he get that fingernail? :biggrin:

If he is put on the stand, it shouldn't take the prosecution long to discredit him to the jury, with just those 2 instances should make them take their listening ears off when he does talk. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Let's hope there aren't people on the panel who would consider this "junk science" which the defense is surely going to with. @ least, they have mentioned "junk science" for about everything--including DNA....have they been living under a dadblasted rock for the last 20 years?????" :punch:

I worry about Dr Lee's practice--if he is of the impression that scientists have no way of telling whether decomp might be from a human or animal, I certainly don't want to entrust him for investigation. He used to have a show on probably CTV, maybe A&E, where he was a top-notch go-to guy for forensic medicine. Then, he started showing up in trials and spitting ketchup or planting (or was that removing) evidence. Wonder, where DID he get that fingernail? :biggrin:

If he is put on the stand, it shouldn't take the prosecution long to discredit him to the jury, with just those 2 instances should make them take their listening ears off when he does talk. IMO

I think in the Spector trial, Lee removed evidence. And that's why I cannot believe that LKB wants to work with him. Hope The State of Florida rips him a new one if he even tries his courtroom hijinx.

[Gatordog]

I understand, just think the problem with that is that it will give the defense an edge when asking the judge for a delay in order to allow their own experts time to examine the evidence. And you know that if Casey's prints are anywhere, that is going to happen. As it should.

Not likely that Casey is going to avoid arrest or prosecution here.

I don't think it causes a delay in information given to the defense, it just isn't released publically under sunshine law. It is given to the defense in a timely fashion during discovery.

[beemer]

I think in the Spector trial, Lee removed evidence. And that's why I cannot believe that LKB wants to work with him. Hope The State of Florida rips him a new one if he even tries his courtroom hijinx.

I cant for the life of me figure out why they want Wee oops Lee either :punch: Maybe they had to take whomever they could get. This could be a career ender depending on the defense angle and what theories Lee expects us to swallow. Can Lee's credibility be brought up? If they can attack a forensic lab why not him? What did Lee do with the ketchup in court? I really never heard exactly. Anyone?

[BeastofBears]

I cant for the life of me figure out why they want Wee oops Lee either :punch: Maybe they had to take whomever they could get. This could be a career ender depending on the defense angle and what theories Lee expects us to swallow. Can Lee's credibility be brought up? If they can attack a forensic lab why not him? What did Lee do with the ketchup in court? I really never heard exactly. Anyone?

IIRC, he spewed ketchup out of his mouth to demonstrate blood spatter. Maybe this time he can carry a slice of pizza under his shirt for a few weeks and whip it out on the stand to demonstrate pizza decomp.

My dealbreaker on Lee was watching the Spector trial and the whole deal with the fingernail. Jeez Louise!

imo, moo.

[Gatordog]

Anthony Hearing set for August 21!!!

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20339410/detail.html

[jas72]

Hey Beemer! I'm with you. Can't see it happening, either. It would require bonding, closeness, what's in the best interest of the infant. Casey possesses none of the above qualities. JMO.
DrewB

It wouldn't surprise me if she breastfed. It is cheaper than buying formula. Plus, I don't think that Casey had the strong feelings of resentment against Caylee until later, most likely after she had been weaned, and she and her mother began the tug-of-war for Caylee's affection, or whatever triggered their intense feelings against one another, for which Caylee suffered the most, obviously.

[beemer]

IIRC, he spewed ketchup out of his mouth to demonstrate blood spatter. Maybe this time he can carry a slice of pizza under his shirt for a few weeks and whip it out on the stand to demonstrate pizza decomp.

My dealbreaker on Lee was watching the Spector trial and the whole deal with the fingernail. Jeez Louise!

imo, moo.
Thanks Bob-now u know i am going to ask bout the fingernail? LOL on the pizza-but remember there was no pizza right? Only a pizza box? Maybe he will prove stench from a used pizza box. Oh Lordy this is gonna get good. It sickens me from gators link that once again Tim Miller is subjected to the Ant camp.

[beemer]

It wouldn't surprise me if she breastfed. It is cheaper than buying formula. Plus, I don't think that Casey had the strong feelings of resentment against Caylee until later, most likely after she had been weaned, and she and her mother began the tug-of-war for Caylee's affection, or whatever triggered their intense feelings against one another, for which Caylee suffered the most, obviously.

You may be right jas. I am sure Caylee was a novelty for Liar at first and even better when she figured out it secured her a spot in that house. I do see the hard work and demand tho of breast feeding getting old very quickly for Liar. Perhaps she used a pump thru the day and made G or C get up in the night:eek:

[BeastofBears]

Thanks Bob-now u know i am going to ask bout the fingernail? LOL on the pizza-but remember there was no pizza right? Only a pizza box? Maybe he will prove stench from a used pizza box. Oh Lordy this is gonna get good. It sickens me from gators link that once again Tim Miller is subjected to the Ant camp.

Okay, this is recollection from watching the trial, so google will give you something better, but Lee was on the scene, literally, the crime scene, very early, while they were still investigating. A (former Spector lawyer? I believe) said she saw Lee pick up a fingernail and tuck it somewhere, and the fingernail was unaccounted for. This mattered because if there was a defensive wound on Lana (fingernail shot off attempting to thwart her murder), it could have proved murder rather than suicide. Lee denied this, but iirc, the judge hammered him and gave the jury some instructions on the matter. I never thought he'd work again, the whole thing was so serious. imo moo, etc.

[beemer]

Wonder how liar spent Sunday-bet she didn't even give it a thought being Caylee's 4th birthday. Or if she did-look at how much trouble the little snot head has caused me. (Remember her snot head comment in a text):cuss:

[beemer]

Thanks Bob-suprised anyone would wanna have him in their corner. Maybe we should be happy bout this. Whats one more clown in the car :shrug: I think the term assonthething is going to pertain to many :D

[BeastofBears]

Thanks Bob-suprised anyone would wanna have him in their corner. Maybe we should be happy bout this. Whats one more clown in the car :shrug: I think the term assonthething is going to pertain to many :D

Found brief article. The sich was even harsher than I remembered. The judge flat-out ruled he removed something from the crime scene and instructed the jury that he did. I'm glad the defense didn't end up all over the Suburban scene.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275404,00.html

[beemer]

Found brief article. The sich was even harsher than I remembered. The judge flat-out ruled he removed something from the crime scene and instructed the jury that he did. I'm glad the defense didn't end up all over the Suburban scene.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275404,00.html
Thanks again Bob-wow that is so damaging to one's career and credibility. I like it :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

It wouldn't surprise me if she breastfed. It is cheaper than buying formula. Plus, I don't think that Casey had the strong feelings of resentment against Caylee until later, most likely after she had been weaned, and she and her mother began the tug-of-war for Caylee's affection, or whatever triggered their intense feelings against one another, for which Caylee suffered the most, obviously.

Not really surprised either, it's a heckuva lot less trouble to get up in the middle of the night and nurse than it is to prepare a bottle, even if all you have to do is heat it up. And since Cindy wasn't lactating (or maybe she took prolactin!), that would give Casey an edge over Cindy's buttinski-ness that she perceived to begin in the delivery room.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Bob-now u know i am going to ask bout the fingernail? LOL on the pizza-but remember there was no pizza right? Only a pizza box? Maybe he will prove stench from a used pizza box. Oh Lordy this is gonna get good. It sickens me from gators link that once again Tim Miller is subjected to the Ant camp.

I would imagine that having to testify comes with the territory for Miller and the prosecution can strike any points that the defense makes with the jury. What I do wonder about is that one of the searchers claimed to have pix made with her phone (against TES' TOS) that showed the area in question wasn't under water. Am I remembering that correctly? Anyone remember this?

[lorettalockhorn]

Wonder how liar spent Sunday-bet she didn't even give it a thought being Caylee's 4th birthday. Or if she did-look at how much trouble the little snot head has caused me. (Remember her snot head comment in a text):cuss:

She prolly just lolled around. Maybe gave herself a Brazilian in preparation for Miami Beach. http://i26.tinypic.com/2jxf94.jpg

[beemer]

I would imagine that having to testify comes with the territory for Miller and the prosecution can strike any points that the defense makes with the jury. What I do wonder about is that one of the searchers claimed to have pix made with her phone (against TES' TOS) that showed the area in question wasn't under water. Am I remembering that correctly? Anyone remember this?

Yes that is a good point. I hope he can get in what a warm welcome he got;) I do remember conversation bout the water/area. IIRC i believe i heard also that she was talking of the wrong spot? Anyone? Snoop?

[beemer]

She prolly just lolled around. Maybe gave herself a Brazilian in preparation for Miami Beach. http://i26.tinypic.com/2jxf94.jpg

HaaaHaaa that was good:beer: Best get the industrial size and strength :eek: liar aint getting any smaller. Me bad :punch: Wonder if she pictures Bozo on the beach just waiting for her :hat:

[beemer]

I just came across this. Old blog of Lee's for your reading pleasure. Lee really likes that F bomb.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about18007-0-asc-0.html

[beemer]

G&C were re-baptized?:eek:
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I just came across this. Old blog of Lee's for your reading pleasure. Lee really likes that F bomb.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about18007-0-asc-0.html

Always thought Lee sounded like a psycho in those posts, and don't you just love how he's critical of the guy's appearance and has a death wish or the woman who had enough sense to get the hayell away from him, and then quotes scripture?!?! Freakazoid!

And it's like he and Casey swapped partners with the other couple. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

G&C were re-baptized?:eek:
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

Never heard of that, must be a Baptist thing. The first one didn't take?

[shadydaisy]

G&C were re-baptized?:eek:
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

That's disgusting. If I were a member of their church I would participate in a memorial birthday observance for Caylee. I would not want to see C&G being baptized, again, I presume. Does this possibly mean they may start telling the truth about what they know? And why do they always have to steal the spotlight?

[beemer]

Always thought Lee sounded like a psycho in those posts, and don't you just love how he's critical of the guy's appearance and has a death wish or the woman who had enough sense to get the hayell away from him, and then quotes scripture?!?! Freakazoid!

And it's like he and Casey swapped partners with the other couple. :eek:
I hear ya:eek: First i have seen this and sounds like he has more issues than first thought. Now this whole Mark thing got me thinking. Was it not stated that Liar and he were talking daily? Or frequently? Why have we not seen an interview with him yet? Surely LE would have talked to anyone Liar had contact with then? Wonder if thats info held back? If it did not amount to anything i think we would have seen it by now?

[beemer]

Never heard of that, must be a Baptist thing. The first one didn't take?
HaaaHaaa;) Somebody forgot to tell them the second one wont help them either:shrug:

[beemer]

That's disgusting. If I were a member of their church I would participate in a memorial birthday observance for Caylee. I would not want to see C&G being baptized, again, I presume. Does this possibly mean they may start telling the truth about what they know? And why do they always have to steal the spotlight?

I was shocked too shady. It's all about them. They dont get they are just not people who fall into a pile of shat and come out smelling like a rose. They come out looking shattier(new word;))

[lorettalockhorn]

I hear ya:eek: First i have seen this and sounds like he has more issues than first thought. Now this whole Mark thing got me thinking. Was it not stated that Liar and he were talking daily? Or frequently? Why have we not seen an interview with him yet? Surely LE would have talked to anyone Liar had contact with then? Wonder if thats info held back? If it did not amount to anything i think we would have seen it by now?

Didn't LE go out to Cali to talk to him? I'm with you, his interview shoulda surfaced by now, so maybe it's like the 4th piece of duct tape evidence and will show up later than sooner. :shrug:

I was shocked too shady. It's all about them. They dont get they are just not people who fall into a pile of shat and come out smelling like a rose. They come out looking shattier(new word;))

LMAO The cANTankerous family could fall into a pile of roses and still come out smelling like sh!t.

[deacon]

HaaaHaaa;) Somebody forgot to tell them the second one wont help them either:shrug:

Baptism is only an outward sign of something that has happened inside. Nothing magical in the water. I know, I have turned on the tap that puts city water in ours and believe me, there is nothing magical in that water.

[beemer]

Loretta i do believe there was an interview now that you say that. Was it not Yuri who was supposed to go and something happened that someone else went? Too many details in this case. Little pieces do come back now and again. Cant wait to see that interview or hear it at trial. I'm still reeling from the connection with Liar,Lee,Mark and Tara. I guess i shouldn't be but then we live in the world of the norm:shrug:

[beemer]

Baptism is only an outward sign of something that has happened inside. Nothing magical in the water. I know, I have turned on the tap that puts city water in ours and believe me, there is nothing magical in that water.

Time will tell if the Ant's have made that change. I would be very surprised but then who am I to judge:shrug: They confuse me with their religion they all like to spout off about now and again. Copout to hide behind it.

[deacon]

Time will tell if the Ant's have made that change. I would be very surprised but then who am I to judge:shrug: They confuse me with their religion they all like to spout off about now and again. Copout to hide behind it.

Hypocrite- from the Greek for actor. One who plays the part without the inward change. If there were an inward change we would know it by now. There is a lot that can be said about this subject but not here.

[beemer]

Hypocrite- from the Greek for actor. One who plays the part without the inward change. If there were an inward change we would know it by now. There is a lot that can be said about this subject but not here.

For sure-and I'll eat my hat if we see change. I think the diff is they may believe they have changed ;)

[beemer]

The more we banter about info we have not yet seen the more excited i get about watching Liar go down and the Ant's standing by with egg on their face. Still professing her innocence. This is going to be one hell of a trial and i cant wait to see the defense strategy;)

[deacon]

For sure-and I'll eat my hat if we see change. I think the diff is they may believe they have changed ;)

Nope, don't think so. Another way to put on a show.

[beemer]

Nope, don't think so. Another way to put on a show.

Thats why i offered to eat my hat;) I wonder if it was a full body immersion-I woulda gladly gone down and done it myself:)

[deacon]

Thats why i offered to eat my hat;) I wonder if it was a full body immersion-I woulda gladly gone down and done it myself:)

Baptist? Yep. Hold them under until they bubble. That is the Greek root of the word baptism.:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thats why i offered to eat my hat;) I wonder if it was a full body immersion-I woulda gladly gone down and done it myself:)

LMAO Reading your mind again. http://i5.tinypic.com/2db5nab.jpg

:D:):biggrin::tongue::hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Baptist? Yep. Hold them under until they bubble. That is the Greek root of the word baptism.:beer:

http://i32.tinypic.com/35crbbd.jpg

[Amy]

Anthony Hearing set for August 21!!!

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20339410/detail.html

Now, I know I didn't go to lawyer school, but I'm pretty sure a person who is not a lawyer hired by a suspect can't have a lawyer-client relationship. I really, really think that ONE of the parties involved would have to be a dadgum lawyer!!!! I don't believe bounty hunter extraordinaire is a lawyer, nor is his sidekick Rob and body guard Tracey. Maybe I missed reading their credentials somewhere, but I don't recall any of them being a lawyer. Ergo--no lawyer-client relationship. Besides, I don't recall LP being "hired" by anyone. Didn't he kind of take it upon himself to bond Casey out, in hopes of getting her to spill her guts? And, he and Rob and Tracey were @ the A's to protect his vested interest in his bail money.

And, quash ex-boyfriend Tony L's subpeona? On what grounds? It's not like they had a marital relationship. What is Jose afraid that TonE might reveal in any testimony? Why doesn't Jose ask that all the expert witnesses be barred from testifying? :shrug:

[Amy]

I would imagine that having to testify comes with the territory for Miller and the prosecution can strike any points that the defense makes with the jury. What I do wonder about is that one of the searchers claimed to have pix made with her phone (against TES' TOS) that showed the area in question wasn't under water. Am I remembering that correctly? Anyone remember this?

IIRC, it was somebody named Joy? And there have been posts about her on various boards and blogs, etc, that would make one question her credibility. Like, where the pictures were actually taken, or when they were taken, etc etc etc.

[Amy]

G&C were re-baptized?:eek:
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

I've heard of people renewing their wedding vows on an anniversary, but hadn't heard of being re-baptised on your murdered granddaughter's birthday. I guess we can be glad they didn't do it on the anniversary of her murder.

[lorettalockhorn]

Now, I know I didn't go to lawyer school, but I'm pretty sure a person who is not a lawyer hired by a suspect can't have a lawyer-client relationship. I really, really think that ONE of the parties involved would have to be a dadgum lawyer!!!! I don't believe bounty hunter extraordinaire is a lawyer, nor is his sidekick Rob and body guard Tracey. Maybe I missed reading their credentials somewhere, but I don't recall any of them being a lawyer. Ergo--no lawyer-client relationship. Besides, I don't recall LP being "hired" by anyone. Didn't he kind of take it upon himself to bond Casey out, in hopes of getting her to spill her guts? And, he and Rob and Tracey were @ the A's to protect his vested interest in his bail money.

And, quash ex-boyfriend Tony L's subpeona? On what grounds? It's not like they had a marital relationship. What is Jose afraid that TonE might reveal in any testimony? Why doesn't Jose ask that all the expert witnesses be barred from testifying? :shrug:

LP went to law school and graduated and is on the board of directors of the law school. But no clue if he passed the bar or is a practicing attorney. I'm with you, I don't see the privilege here, his function was exactly as you put it.

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC, it was somebody named Joy? And there have been posts about her on various boards and blogs, etc, that would make one question her credibility. Like, where the pictures were actually taken, or when they were taken, etc etc etc.

You have THE best memory! :beer:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

[BeastofBears]

G&C were re-baptized?:eek:
http://www.wesh.com/news/20338300/detail.html

Maybe this is why they've been relatively quiet. They've been having a religious epiphany? You never know...

[BeastofBears]

Nope, don't think so. Another way to put on a show.

It's making that old hymn, "washed in the blood of the lamb" run in my head, and not necessarily in a good way :( That might be uncharitable of me, but there it is...

[BeastofBears]

I've heard of people renewing their wedding vows on an anniversary, but hadn't heard of being re-baptised on your murdered granddaughter's birthday. I guess we can be glad they didn't do it on the anniversary of her murder.

Zanny hasn't told them when she did that yet, Amy.

[beemer]

LMAO Reading your mind again. http://i5.tinypic.com/2db5nab.jpg

:D:):biggrin::tongue::hat:

:beer: Glub Glub :D

[DrewBerry]

Didn't LE go out to Cali to talk to him? I'm with you, his interview shoulda surfaced by now, so maybe it's like the 4th piece of duct tape evidence and will show up later than sooner. :shrug:



LMAO The cANTankerous family could fall into a pile of roses and still come out smelling like sh!t.

LMAO too!!! Loretta, you're on another roll tonight! :biggrin::beer::biggrin:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

HaaaHaaa;) Somebody forgot to tell them the second one wont help them either:shrug:

Hey Beemer! :seeya: LMAO! Good one. :biggrin:
What a couple of idiots.
Drew

[DrewBerry]

Zanny hasn't told them when she did that yet, Amy.

Hey BoB. That is tooooo funny! :beer:
Damn Ants. just gotta keep their mugs in the spotlight, don't they?!

Drew

[Amy]

You have THE best memory! :beer:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

Partial memory, lol!!!! I can come up w/enough memory for someone to put on a search and find the info, even tho I such pretty much suck @ the searching part (as it seems Ms Wray did, too, lol.)

I hadn't read that interview before. She sounds a bit disjointed, but I must say, w/officers butting in with questions and words before one finishes one's sentence, I think most of the interviews I have read sound a bit disjointed.

[Marian Paroo]

To me, publicly going religious is a sign of guilt if there ever was one.

If one is honest and really believes, there is no need to issue a press release.

[deacon]

To me, publicly going religious is a sign of guilt if there ever was one.

If one is honest and really believes, there is no need to issue a press release.

I know what you mean. That takes me back to the Greek word thing.

[Gatordog]

You are not alone in your thoughts of the Ants Baptism. Hal Boedeker gives his opinion.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/caylee_and_casey_anthony/index.html

[Gatordog]

Found brief article. The sich was even harsher than I remembered. The judge flat-out ruled he removed something from the crime scene and instructed the jury that he did. I'm glad the defense didn't end up all over the Suburban scene.

http://origin.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275404,00.html

Judge Strickland is a very wise man. I don't think there could be a more intelligent or fair judge on this trial. He knows his beans. ;)

Can't wait for Fridays hearing.

Gator

[beemer]

Anyone heard of Caylee's murder being described as a Terminal Event? I was reading it on another board. Several folks upset The Firm's use of this terminology. Lordy hope they dont use it during trial. One poster stated yeah it was a terminal event with a capital C. I agree gator-I dont think they could have a better judge preside. He is fair and sensible.

[shadydaisy]

I was shocked too shady. It's all about them. They dont get they are just not people who fall into a pile of shat and come out smelling like a rose. They come out looking shattier(new word;))

I'm liking shattier. It is a very useful adjective and used appropriately in your sentence.

Baptism is only an outward sign of something that has happened inside. Nothing magical in the water. I know, I have turned on the tap that puts city water in ours and believe me, there is nothing magical in that water.

To me, publicly going religious is a sign of guilt if there ever was one.

If one is honest and really believes, there is no need to issue a press release.

You both summed up my sentiment nicely. It just made the A's look shattier.

[beemer]

Thanks shady:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Anyone heard of Caylee's murder being described as a Terminal Event? I was reading it on another board. Several folks upset The Firm's use of this terminology. Lordy hope they dont use it during trial. One poster stated yeah it was a terminal event with a capital C. I agree gator-I dont think they could have a better judge preside. He is fair and sensible.

Wow! I've only heard that used reading the reports on the Columbia shuttle disaster.

[Amy]

Anyone heard of Caylee's murder being described as a Terminal Event? I was reading it on another board. Several folks upset The Firm's use of this terminology. Lordy hope they dont use it during trial. One poster stated yeah it was a terminal event with a capital C. I agree gator-I dont think they could have a better judge preside. He is fair and sensible.

I get so disgusted with namby pamby politically correct terminology. For God's sake, if it's a murder, call it a murder. If it's terrorism, call it terrorism. Using words that soften the blow to the perpetrators, or trying to make it seem less threatening or sickening or horrible to the public is pure idiocy. IMO.

A rose is a rose is a rose--I'm sure someone will come up with the correct thing, lol. Or, a rose by any other name is a rose just the same. When are people going to get it? Calling it something else is NOT going to change what it is.

[beemer]

I get so disgusted with namby pamby politically correct terminology. For God's sake, if it's a murder, call it a murder. If it's terrorism, call it terrorism. Using words that soften the blow to the perpetrators, or trying to make it seem less threatening or sickening or horrible to the public is pure idiocy. IMO.

A rose is a rose is a rose--I'm sure someone will come up with the correct thing, lol. Or, a rose by any other name is a rose just the same. When are people going to get it? Calling it something else is NOT going to change what it is.
For sure Amy. If anything it just irks the hay out of most people. So maybe they should use it in court. The jury is not going to like Liar or any of the Ants for that matter so may as well throw the defense team into the mix ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

You are not alone in your thoughts of the Ants Baptism. Hal Boedeker gives his opinion.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/caylee_and_casey_anthony/index.html

Doncha just love Hal? Not being familiar with rebaptism I looked it up and it's a controversial topic on it's own and I didn't find a lot of references to it being something that the Baptists do, seems like it's embraced by the Pentecostals and Church of Christ. Also looked at the Eastside Baptist Church website and apparently they cater to blended families. I wouldn't have considered the Ants to be blended; wonder how they ended up there. (And when?)

Whatever rebaptism means and no matter why it's done, it looks like the mordANTs could have chosen another day for the ceremony. Guess they just couldn't resist the attention. ASWs!

[lorettalockhorn]

Anyone heard of Caylee's murder being described as a Terminal Event? I was reading it on another board. Several folks upset The Firm's use of this terminology. Lordy hope they dont use it during trial. One poster stated yeah it was a terminal event with a capital C. I agree gator-I dont think they could have a better judge preside. He is fair and sensible.

Haven't read about this, where did The Firm use this term?

Found this:

terminal event
Forensic pathology A complication of an underlying cause of death, which is uniformly fatal if not immediately reversed. See Mechanism of death.


http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/terminal+event

mechanism of death
Forensic medicine '…the process that causes one or more vital organs or organ systems to fail when a fatal disease, injury, abnormality, or chemical insult occurs; it is the functional–physiologic or structural change that makes independent life no longer possible after a lethal event has occurred Examples Hemorrhage, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, alkalosis, asystole, V fib, respiratory depression and paralysis, cardiac tamponade, sepsis with profound bacterial toxemia, etc; MODs are divided into terminal events and nonspecific physiological–functional derangements. Cf Immediate cause of death, Underlying cause of death.

immediate cause of death
'…the disease, injury, or complication that directly precedes death', which is the ultimate consequence of the underlying cause of death. Cf Underlying cause of death.

underlying cause of death
Primary cause of death, proximate cause of death Forensic medicine '…the disease or injury that initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death, or the circumstances or violence that produced the fatal injury.' Cf Immediate cause of death.


What nits is The FIRM planning to pick?

[BeastofBears]

Haven't read about this, where did The Firm use this term?

Found this:

terminal event
Forensic pathology A complication of an underlying cause of death, which is uniformly fatal if not immediately reversed. See Mechanism of death.


http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/terminal+event

mechanism of death
Forensic medicine '…the process that causes one or more vital organs or organ systems to fail when a fatal disease, injury, abnormality, or chemical insult occurs; it is the functional–physiologic or structural change that makes independent life no longer possible after a lethal event has occurred Examples Hemorrhage, hypovolemic shock, acidosis, alkalosis, asystole, V fib, respiratory depression and paralysis, cardiac tamponade, sepsis with profound bacterial toxemia, etc; MODs are divided into terminal events and nonspecific physiological–functional derangements. Cf Immediate cause of death, Underlying cause of death.

immediate cause of death
'…the disease, injury, or complication that directly precedes death', which is the ultimate consequence of the underlying cause of death. Cf Underlying cause of death.

underlying cause of death
Primary cause of death, proximate cause of death Forensic medicine '…the disease or injury that initiated the train of morbid events leading directly to death, or the circumstances or violence that produced the fatal injury.' Cf Immediate cause of death.


What nits is The FIRM planning to pick?

Thanks for the definitions, Loretta!

[beemer]

I'll see if i can find a link when home from work tonight. Found it on another board where folks where trying to remember who all had used it. LKB being one of them. I will see what i can find tonight. I hope i can remember what thread it was on:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'll see if i can find a link when home from work tonight. Found it on another board where folks where trying to remember who all had used it. LKB being one of them. I will see what i can find tonight. I hope i can remember what thread it was on:eek:

Thanks Beem, guess it makes sense for LKB to use the term in the forensics sense. Still wanna know what kind of web the defense is weaving considering a cause of death hasn't been put forward.

[lorettalockhorn]

While looking for the Terminal Event language, found this:

Casey Anthony case: Simon & Schuster says no book deal with George and Cindy Anthony

Earlier in the week, it was reported that George and Cindy Anthony, the private investigator they hired to find their missing granddaughter and their attorney may have a book deal with publishing giant Simon & Schuster.

Simon & Schuster informed the Crime Examiner, “Please be advised that Simon & Schuster DOES NOT and WILL NOT have a book deal with George and Cindy Anthony, or anybody else associated with this case. Any reports to the contrary are inaccurate.”

Additionally, the Orlando Sentinel reports that Simon & Schuster Vice President, Adam Rothberg wrote, “Simon & Schuster does not have a book deal with the Anthony’s or anybody else associated with the case.”

Kathy Belich of WFTV said on Wednesday that a source gave her the information about a book deal and the “tipster” had “been right before.” This time, however, the source was wrong and there is no book deal in the works—at least not with Simon & Schuster.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m8d7-Casey-Anthony-case-Simon--Schuster-says-no-book-deal-with-George-and-Cindy-Anthony

[lorettalockhorn]

Found this post at IS, but haven't found the source of the original discussion, I'll look for it:

Originally Posted by Deannalynn View Post
So, who thought this "terminal event" up?
Caylee was just terminated. Her life was terminated. That sounds so rediculous and no one will refer to Caylee as that. They will try and use it in court and they (The state) will put a stop to that.
These Anthony's are not civilized. JMO (la la land of the tinker bells of the world)
JMHO

I think Linda Baden called it that.
__________________


IMO - I would say that all of us should start refering to the likely punishment of the Death Penalty that is waiting for their baby killing daughter if she is found guilty as "Casey's Terminal Event" - It would not be any more crass than this statement from the defense.

Everyone of them wants to say that Casey was a loving mother, yada yada - but no one cares that her reactions showed (and continue to show) someone who selfishly thinks only of themselves first, and Caylee as an after thought when she is trying to force out a tear, (or in any other way show the actions of a human being).

Her phone call the night she was arrested said it all, "All the family cares about is Caylee...and she herself said it all, "waste...total waste." So on the day they carry out her sentence, I think it should be called "Casey's Terminal Event" in the next day's newspapers. How dare there be dramatic headlines for her last appearance...just Terminal Event - share that one thing with your daughter.

I think about this little girl a lot. Caylee was a lot like the character "Vincent" in the song by Don McClean, when he sang: - "We would have told you, (Caylee) - This world was never meant for one as beautiful as you." You have no idea the effect you have had on the people who continue to cry out for justice in your name. We stand with you, Caylee. We know you are watching. Rest in Peace, little one.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13357145#post13357145

I think people are misinterpreting LKB's usage of the term.

[lorettalockhorn]

Always right on with your posts, Pru!

"Guise' is a great description. They say it's all about Caylee but it's really all about Casey. CMA!!! CMA!!!!

For them to acknowledge Caylee was murdered they'd also have to come to terms with the fact that their Daughter is THE MURDERER.

Caylee, the missing child, later suffering from a 'terminal event', is what they want her to be remembered as. SICK!!!!!


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=13356826#post13356826

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, I'm back from moving my gargantuan fridge and unjamming the icemaker all by myself :rolleyes: and found this at scared monkeys from back in March:

This is disturbing considering what Dominic Casey was caught doing in the woods at the bequest of Cindy & whatever information they received, by whom & when. He is reportedly working on the Haleigh case "by the request of a family member."

http://dgator.com/HaleighAnnMarieCummings.aspx

I have a real problem with this, considering he's canceled a deposition feeling the need to "lawyer up." I'm not from Florida nor familiar with their State guidelines & ethics for licensed PI's offhand but I'm wondering if that video of him digging & probing in the Suburban Drive woods & sworn statement enough to maybe lodge a complaint for consideration that his license get pulled?

While I visited his site I went back to the Caylee page...look at the way he lists Caylee's murder:

If you have any information about Caylee Marie's disappearance and Terminal Event, WTH!

If you click on the remembering Caylee link, it takes you to the page that will be The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation, copyrighted. Then look at the contact link...pic of Caylee with Casey (appaulling) read on to who to contact for what but no contact about the foundation itself...this is so wrong

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4757.msg743441#msg743441

But when you go to dcasey's site, the statement has been changed:

Caylee Marie Anthony disappeared sometime after June 16, 2008. D&A have been Investigating the circumstances surrounding Caylee Marie's disappearance since July of 2008 at the request of the Family. If you have any information about Caylee Marie's disappearance or death . . .

http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx

(If you ask me, Casey's playing kind of fast and loose with the phrase "disappeared sometime after June 16......)

[deacon]

Doncha just love Hal? Not being familiar with rebaptism I looked it up and it's a controversial topic on it's own and I didn't find a lot of references to it being something that the Baptists do, seems like it's embraced by the Pentecostals and Church of Christ. Also looked at the Eastside Baptist Church website and apparently they cater to blended families. I wouldn't have considered the Ants to be blended; wonder how they ended up there. (And when?)

Whatever rebaptism means and no matter why it's done, it looks like the mordANTs could have chosen another day for the ceremony. Guess they just couldn't resist the attention. ASWs!

I'll give explanation a try. Normally, it is a public admission that you have not been leading the life you should have been. The most I have seen (2) were done by people who had been out of church for a really long time and returned. It is a rededication of one's self to follow God.

[beemer]

I'll give explanation a try. Normally, it is a public admission that you have not been leading the life you should have been. The most I have seen (2) were done by people who had been out of church for a really long time and returned. It is a rededication of one's self to follow God.
That makes sense and i totally get that. With the Ants they prolly view it as something they invented-ChristiANTHONY:eek:

[beemer]

Thanks Beem, guess it makes sense for LKB to use the term in the forensics sense. Still wanna know what kind of web the defense is weaving considering a cause of death hasn't been put forward.

Loretta you have been busy here and with your icemaker while i was at work:) I was on IS and WS today flipping back and forth. Next time i will make note before i bring a question here. Yes i cant wait for the defense to tip their hand.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'll give explanation a try. Normally, it is a public admission that you have not been leading the life you should have been. The most I have seen (2) were done by people who had been out of church for a really long time and returned. It is a rededication of one's self to follow God.

Thanks deacon, I did some reading and it just seems completely foreign to me. My personal relationship with God and my Lord and Savior is well, personal. No need to make a big deal or notify the media.

But maybe it is for the Ants and maybe there will be a difference. Gotta say that I'm awfully glad that (none of) the lies I've told in life have been broadcast on television!

[lorettalockhorn]

That makes sense and i totally get that. With the Ants they prolly view it as something they invented-ChristiANTHONY:eek:

:hat:

Loretta you have been busy here and with your icemaker while i was at work:) I was on IS and WS today flipping back and forth. Next time i will make note before i bring a question here. Yes i cant wait for the defense to tip their hand.

Didn't quite get the fridge back where it belongs, so tomorrow I have to take all that junk of the top again. :cuss: Hope your work was more productive! Never could find terminal event used by the defense, but can see how people would take its use by DCasey out of context and be offended.

It's so hard for me to believe that Casey's defense will be Zanny.

[BeastofBears]

:hat:



Didn't quite get the fridge back where it belongs, so tomorrow I have to take all that junk of the top again. :cuss: Hope your work was more productive! Never could find terminal event used by the defense, but can see how people would take its use by DCasey out of context and be offended.

It's so hard for me to believe that Casey's defense will be Zanny.

Look on the bright side, Loretta...pop up the corn and chill the martinis...it'll be televised! (It will be, right????) I personally cannot wait to see this story in a courtroom! Sure hope no one lets me down.

[SuzDuJour]

:hat:
=
It's so hard for me to believe that Casey's defense will be Zanny.

ITA! And my biggest worry was that someone in the jury pool would've seen just enough on TV to think there WAS a nanny... The 3D flyover will do a tremendous job of dispelling that. It was pretty clear that some time had to have happened between the Terminal Event and the scattering of those tiny bones. No 'nanny drop off' while Casey was incarcerated. At least, I hope it shows that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Look on the bright side, Loretta...pop up the corn and chill the martinis...it'll be televised! (It will be, right????) I personally cannot wait to see this story in a courtroom! Sure hope no one lets me down.

Cannot wait. Guess I should decline that Pentagon appointment so I can be home to watch! ;) To heck with soap operas.

[One2Snoop]

To me, publicly going religious is a sign of guilt if there ever was one.

If one is honest and really believes, there is no need to issue a press release.

I totally agree with you Marion - wow - I've been out of the loop a bit lately but this stuck out like a sore thumb so to speak.

[beemer]

Sorry guys i must have taken what i took from the posts i read. Re: terminal event. I pop in other boards to read a bit now and again. I think u may be right on that one Loretta-D Casey may have used it and it spread like a rumour.

[Gatordog]

ITA! And my biggest worry was that someone in the jury pool would've seen just enough on TV to think there WAS a nanny... The 3D flyover will do a tremendous job of dispelling that. It was pretty clear that some time had to have happened between the Terminal Event and the scattering of those tiny bones. No 'nanny drop off' while Casey was incarcerated. At least, I hope it shows that.

The best thing the prosecution can do is take the jury on a field trip to Suburban Drive. Two things will be accomplished. One - they will immediately see, as I did, how that bag could have been under water for months. As I said after a recent visit to Suburban Drive, there is a big dip in the landscape about 15 to 20 feet from the street. You have to walk into the woods and down the slope in order to see something that would be under water. Mr. Fraidy Cop did not do that, but Kronk did.

Two - when the jury sees just how close the dumping ground was to the Ants house, they will be shocked. As I said, you don't even cross one street. Just walk to the end of the block, a long block, and make a turn and there you are.

Remember the Liar's own words spoken to her parents while on a jail visit "She's close, I can feel it in my gut, I know she's not far". Nuf Said!

[BeastofBears]

The best thing the prosecution can do is take the jury on a field trip to Suburban Drive. Two things will be accomplished. One - they will immediately see, as I did, how that bag could have been under water for months. As I said after a recent visit to Suburban Drive, there is a big dip in the landscape about 15 to 20 feet from the street. You have to walk into the woods and down the slope in order to see something that would be under water. Mr. Fraidy Cop did not do that, but Kronk did.

Two - when the jury sees just how close the dumping ground was to the Ants house, they will be shocked. As I said, you don't even cross one street. Just walk to the end of the block, a long block, and make a turn and there you are.

Remember the Liar's own words spoken to her parents while on a jail visit "She's close, I can feel it in my gut, I know she's not far". Nuf Said!

And we wonder why no family visits are being allowed now? Talk about a loose cannon...imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

And we wonder why no family visits are being allowed now? Talk about a loose cannon...imo.

G&C know (as does The FIRM) that there's just no telling what Casey's might say if she has another meltdown.

[beemer]

Anyone heard if fridays court hearings will be televised?

[lorettalockhorn]

Anyone heard if fridays court hearings will be televised?

Checked wesh, wftv and fox and none of them commented about coverage. :shrug: The headlines on those sites are just nightmares. Makes me glad to live in Podunk.

[beemer]

Checked wesh, wftv and fox and none of them commented about coverage. :shrug: The headlines on those sites are just nightmares. Makes me glad to live in Podunk.

Thanks Loretta. I guess we will know the morning of. Yes i have seen some of those headlines. Scary stuff :eek:

[beemer]

http://www.wesh.com/news/20357984/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Friday's hearing will begin at 9:30 a.m. No news yet on whether it will be televised. I am sure that www.myfoxorlando.com will carry it over the internet.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wesh.com/news/20357984/detail.html

One of the media sites had a drawing of the tat this morning. Lemme see if I can find it.

[Marian Paroo]

One of the media sites had a drawing of the tat this morning. Lemme see if I can find it.

Drawing? Like good old fashioned courtroom artist drawings?

[beemer]

Thanks Gator and Loretta :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Drawing? Like good old fashioned courtroom artist drawings?

tehee It's the drawing that the tat artist used as a guide or stencil or whatever. Can't find it at the news site, but found it somewhere else:

http://i25.tinypic.com/21etc2p.jpg

My power keeps going out! :eek: Usually only happens on really hot days. :confused:

[beemer]

Thanks Loretta-Wonder if she still thinks life is so beautiful :D She just might tho in her twisted little world. Dreaming of better day's ahead-taking a tumble on the Miami beach with Bozo :shrug:

[DrewBerry]

Thanks Loretta-Wonder if she still thinks life is so beautiful :D She just might tho in her twisted little world. Dreaming of better day's ahead-taking a tumble on the Miami beach with Bozo :shrug:

Oh, Beemers. . .what an awful image!! :D
That tat has undoubtedly been stretched to the max to cover that bubble butt she's packed on! I know. I'm not very nice tonight.:no::D
Drew

[SuzDuJour]

I'm trying to imagine the SICKEST mind and cannot begin to understand how you could kill your own baby child and then go get a tattoo to celebrate it. Unimaginable. Only evil explains it.

[beemer]

Oh, Beemers. . .what an awful image!! :D
That tat has undoubtedly been stretched to the max to cover that bubble butt she's packed on! I know. I'm not very nice tonight.:no::D
Drew

Hey Drew-Your just saying what we are all thinking ;)

[beemer]

I'm trying to imagine the SICKEST mind and cannot begin to understand how you could kill your own baby child and then go get a tattoo to celebrate it. Unimaginable. Only evil explains it.

I know-hard to wrap your head around :shrug:

[deacon]

I know-hard to wrap your head around :shrug:

Sad part is, this is getting more, and more common.:shrug:

[beemer]

Sad part is, this is getting more, and more common.:shrug:

I know deacon-I just ordered a book called Runaway Devil-true Canadian murder case-her family. Girl was 12 at the time. She will be out in a couple of years :eek:

[DrewBerry]

Sad part is, this is getting more, and more common.:shrug:

It is sad, isn't deacon? Every night there is a new story. So many cases that never get solved as well.

DrewB

[BeastofBears]

It is sad, isn't deacon? Every night there is a new story. So many cases that never get solved as well.

DrewB

Did you see the story I posted about missing Hassani Campbell in the missing children folder? I'm afraid it'll be a bad ending, too :(

[deacon]

It is sad, isn't deacon? Every night there is a new story. So many cases that never get solved as well.

DrewB

Yes. If you don't want a child there are any number of things you can do to prevent it from happening. Why go through the problems of preg. and pain of childbirth/after pain, and then kill the little one you brought into the world? I do not agree with abortion (personal feelings) but my goodness, there are so many ways to prevent it from happening in the first place. Just plain "felony stupid."

[lorettalockhorn]

Did you see the story I posted about missing Hassani Campbell in the missing children folder? I'm afraid it'll be a bad ending, too :(

That one is a nightmare because it's so hard to imagine that Hassani could have wandered very far in such a short time. :(

[Marian Paroo]

tehee It's the drawing that the tat artist used as a guide or stencil or whatever. Can't find it at the news site, but found it somewhere else:

http://i25.tinypic.com/21etc2p.jpg

My power keeps going out! :eek: Usually only happens on really hot days. :confused:

Oh, tat, as in tattoo!

Sorry, wasn't making the connection. It's too d@mn hot.

That being said I still love court artists, I think they express things that the camera misses.

I remember them during the Alice Crimmins murder trial of the 60s in New York.

[Marian Paroo]

I'm trying to imagine the SICKEST mind and cannot begin to understand how you could kill your own baby child and then go get a tattoo to celebrate it. Unimaginable. Only evil explains it.

Did you ever hear about the souvenirs the people who lynched African-Americans kept on their mantelpieces for all to see? Soldiers who wore necklaces of enemy ears? Lampshapes made of tattooed skin?

Miss Anthony would not be the first nor the last to celebrate a murder.

[BeastofBears]

trophies. uggh. serial killers take trophies, too.

[Wagsy]

Hi all. :seeya: Been away for a few days - passed with flying colors (studying paid off) so am happy. :) I've just caught up with the postings going on and will not be able to post nor follow for quite a few days - company coming to stay. Meaning; meals, people overnight, going places during the days with them, etc...BUT, what really struck me was the re-baptism of G&C and it seems like another publicity stunt to try to make them look better in the eyes of the world. IMO :shrug: And the 'Terminal Event' wording. Sheesh. A murder is a murder ~ no ifs, Ants, or buts. It is what it is - period, the end. Thanks to all for explanations, definitions, links, comments and opinions. Keep up the good work - I'll check in and read up as I am able. Hope there will be a link for Friday's hearing. TIA to all for everything! :rose:

[Amy]

Hi all. :seeya: Been away for a few days - passed with flying colors (studying paid off) so am happy. :) I've just caught up with the postings going on and will not be able to post nor follow for quite a few days - company coming to stay. Meaning; meals, people overnight, going places during the days with them, etc...BUT, what really struck me was the re-baptism of G&C and it seems like another publicity stunt to try to make them look better in the eyes of the world. IMO :shrug: And the 'Terminal Event' wording. Sheesh. A murder is a murder ~ no ifs, Ants, or buts. It is what it is - period, the end. Thanks to all for explanations, definitions, links, comments and opinions. Keep up the good work - I'll check in and read up as I am able. Hope there will be a link for Friday's hearing. TIA to all for everything! :rose:

Congratulations!!! Have fun with your company.

[Gatordog]

Yes. If you don't want a child there are any number of things you can do to prevent it from happening. Why go through the problems of preg. and pain of childbirth/after pain, and then kill the little one you brought into the world? I do not agree with abortion (personal feelings) but my goodness, there are so many ways to prevent it from happening in the first place. Just plain "felony stupid."

Deacon, I could not have said it better myself. Sad part is these women and men are old enough to know the consequences of their actions and choose not to be safe.

[SuzDuJour]

Did you ever hear about the souvenirs the people who lynched African-Americans kept on their mantelpieces for all to see? Soldiers who wore necklaces of enemy ears? Lampshapes made of tattooed skin?

Miss Anthony would not be the first nor the last to celebrate a murder.

Oh, I know there are killers that celebrate murder...it's just hard to imagine killing ones own little girl and celebrating it. I really was thinking in terms of mother/daughter and without significant history of mental illness...

[Nawny]

I know deacon-I just ordered a book called Runaway Devil-true Canadian murder case-her family. Girl was 12 at the time. She will be out in a couple of years :eek:

I used to read a lot of Ann Rule's books. All true murder cases and they were not as bad as this Liar's case. I want to understand, I think, what kind of sickness does she have and "sociopath" doesn't cut it for me. They don't always murder, though the lying and the emotional manipulation fits her. This seems (as well as a few others who kill their children) to be based on some demonic persona. It's all I can come up with to make sense of it. Then of course add a couple of quarts of stupidity.

I get locked up in her disorder when I try to make sense of it, until I come to the part where she (obviously) didn't contemplate getting caught. ??????
She's a mystery to me at that point. It's scary to listen to her talk. She seems intelligent enough to get by, not extremely intelligent but, average and some might call her articulate. The giggle seems to be a nervous laugh and the ego centered projections are at least par for her age group. Her obsession with the mirror lends itself to narcissism, true. But she didn't appear to be aggressive outwardly; or violent. Though there is evidence that she was passive aggressive or at least subtle in her ability to be mentally abusive (at least toward Cindy.) That kind of abuse is horrible.

IMO Cindy was fighting back with the wrong weapon: CAYLEE. Not to say that Cindy was wired in any normal fashion either. :shrug:

Okay, I got it! It's inherited. :punch:

[deacon]

I used to read a lot of Ann Rule's books. All true murder cases and they were not as bad as this Liar's case. I want to understand, I think, what kind of sickness does she have and "sociopath" doesn't cut it for me. They don't always murder, though the lying and the emotional manipulation fits her. This seems (as well as a few others who kill their children) to be based on some demonic persona. It's all I can come up with to make sense of it. Then of course add a couple of quarts of stupidity.

I get locked up in her disorder when I try to make sense of it, until I come to the part where she (obviously) didn't contemplate getting caught. ??????
She's a mystery to me at that point. It's scary to listen to her talk. She seems intelligent enough to get by, not extremely intelligent but, average and some might call her articulate. The giggle seems to be a nervous laugh and the ego centered projections are at least par for her age group. Her obsession with the mirror lends itself to narcissism, true. But she didn't appear to be aggressive outwardly; or violent. Though there is evidence that she was passive aggressive or at least subtle in her ability to be mentally abusive (at least toward Cindy.) That kind of abuse is horrible.

IMO Cindy was fighting back with the wrong weapon: CAYLEE. Not to say that Cindy was wired in any normal fashion either. :shrug:

Okay, I got it! It's inherited. :punch:

Oh, she shows anger and agressive behavior. The only thing that seems to bring it out though is when she isn't the center of attention.

[beemer]

Yes Nawny i luv Ann Rule too. What caught my attention to this book i mention above is the author attempts to look at the psych involved. Apparently a very good family. No history of abuse etc. etc. There are many who support nature and some argue nurture. For me it depends on the the case and case history. With Liar i lean towards both. Nature and Nurture. I always say if anyone can find an answer they will with the Nobel Peace Prize. Having said that i believe Liar was born somewhat of a "bad seed" and it was enabled and nurtured in that envirement. I question-Would she be a socio that murders had she been accountable for her beh. from day 1? Her sense of entitlement was so encouraged. She is typical in that she doesn't think beyond 10 minutes and views the world different. She does not see how stupid her story is and cant get why we dont believe her. If we look at her families response to Liar. My gawd can you imagine what else she has gotten away with that we will never know of. Thankfully it is their own beh. that nails them in the end.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes Nawny i luv Ann Rule too. What caught my attention to this book i mention above is the author attempts to look at the psych involved. Apparently a very good family. No history of abuse etc. etc. There are many who support nature and some argue nurture. For me it depends on the the case and case history. With Liar i lean towards both. Nature and Nurture. I always say if anyone can find an answer they will with the Nobel Peace Prize. Having said that i believe Liar was born somewhat of a "bad seed" and it was enabled and nurtured in that envirement. I question-Would she be a socio that murders had she been accountable for her beh. from day 1? Her sense of entitlement was so encouraged. She is typical in that she doesn't think beyond 10 minutes and views the world different. She does not see how stupid her story is and cant get why we dont believe her. If we look at her families response to Liar. My gawd can you imagine what else she has gotten away with that we will never know of. Thankfully it is their own beh. that nails them in the end.

I so agree about Casey's sense of entitlement, we saw that she comes by it honestly during the Morgan&Mitnik depositions.

[lorettalockhorn]

If only Cindy Anthony had employed Alice Mitchell's disciplinary techniques:

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[BeastofBears]

If only Cindy Anthony had employed Alice Mitchell's disciplinary techniques:

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lol!

Casey woulda just tacked a mirror into that corner, I think.

[Gatordog]

Had a doctor appointment this morning (changing lifestyle shows - major improvement in numbers!!) and rushed home to see a few minutes of the hearing. Man was I angry when I didn't see it on any of the local channels - so I rushed to working thinking it would be on the web.

Wrong - nothing on any of the local channels on the internet either. So as I was getting crazed I looked at the calendar and then I realized :o the hearing is next Friday. :punch:

gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Beemer & Gator, as if this summer (and year!) hasn't flown by so fast that I have motion sickness, I though today was the 21st. At least y'all know what the heck day it is!!!!!!! :hat:

[BeastofBears]

Had a doctor appointment this morning (changing lifestyle shows - major improvement in numbers!!) and rushed home to see a few minutes of the hearing. Man was I angry when I didn't see it on any of the local channels - so I rushed to working thinking it would be on the web.

Wrong - nothing on any of the local channels on the internet either. So as I was getting crazed I looked at the calendar and then I realized :o the hearing is next Friday. :punch:

gator

Me, too! Well, not the rushing around and appointments...but I had my Peet's Italian roast all brewed, the chocolate croissants fresh out of the oven...then...:confused:

At least I can eat away the pain!

But, good for you on the changing lifestyle numbers improvement! It is good to know it works! Next week is my new leaf...

[beemer]

Too funny loretta and Bob ^ ;) Nope i was in the same boat. I have had to answer the phone 9 TIMES this a.m. cuz hubby and boy's have their azzonthething today!!!!! When he takes a day off to fish i have to field the calls as cell will not always pick up out on the water. I ask are you a Brain Surgeon on call or Homeland Security? So no nappy this a.m. I was all set here with my cawfee and english muffin and cursing everytime the phone rang. Searched all the Fla. papers for video feed. I was worried this case was drifting into the sunset. Then i tried to turn that into a positive-Oh no coverage,princess will hate that. I am relieved it's next Friday and am glad i am in such good company with kraft disease:shrug:;)

[lorettalockhorn]

Me, too! Well, not the rushing around and appointments...but I had my Peet's Italian roast all brewed, the chocolate croissants fresh out of the oven...then...:confused:

At least I can eat away the pain!

But, good for you on the changing lifestyle numbers improvement! It is good to know it works! Next week is my new leaf...

FLOVE chocolate croissants, but no one around here makes them. There's a great French bakery on Estero Island that makes them fresh every day. And Williams-Sonoma sells some frozen ones that are delish. Do you make your own? If you do, I'm Jealous! :tongue:

Can hardly wait to see if there is a change in demeanor or improvement in behavior by the Ants and I'm really interested in how Strickland will handle the defense motion to obtain TES records out of jurisdiction.

[beemer]

Way to go gator :beer: I luv green tea-it does not luv me :confused: I drink Chamomille,Bedtime and Roobois-Roobois must be Tetley. Other brands of it taste funky. It's an African tea. Mostly in winter tho

[BeastofBears]

FLOVE chocolate croissants, but no one around here makes them. There's a great French bakery on Estero Island that makes them fresh every day. And Williams-Sonoma sells some frozen ones that are delish. Do you make your own? If you do, I'm Jealous! :tongue:

Can hardly wait to see if there is a change in demeanor or improvement in behavior by the Ants and I'm really interested in how Strickland will handle the defense motion to obtain TES records out of jurisdiction.

I cheat and make them with nutella...mmmmm...good to know about Williams-Sonoma, thanks!

I know there is alot of concern about the TES issue on another board I was lurking on. Some of those folks had volunteered and were appalled that their info could come out, since not all the info has been redacted. Not to mention having to be in the same room with JB! iirc, one person there had called in a possible tip and was identified in the most recent doc dump. This sort of thing could really stop people from either volunteering or calling in tips. At least I trust Strickland to make a fair balanced judgment on this...but its not good. I've thought about it. Not that I can go looking for Hassani with the herd in tow, but if I did...I don't want my everything potentially out there!

[beemer]

That is scary on the TES issue. It will give folks second thoughts. If anyone should write a book it should be all the people whose lives have been upset by this. I hate that Liar has this power-for now- cuz we all know she is luving it. Oh well at least pay back is a b/i/t/c/h :eek:

[DrewBerry]

Yes Nawny i luv Ann Rule too. What caught my attention to this book i mention above is the author attempts to look at the psych involved. Apparently a very good family. No history of abuse etc. etc. There are many who support nature and some argue nurture. For me it depends on the the case and case history. With Liar i lean towards both. Nature and Nurture. I always say if anyone can find an answer they will with the Nobel Peace Prize. Having said that i believe Liar was born somewhat of a "bad seed" and it was enabled and nurtured in that envirement. I question-Would she be a socio that murders had she been accountable for her beh. from day 1? Her sense of entitlement was so encouraged. She is typical in that she doesn't think beyond 10 minutes and views the world different. She does not see how stupid her story is and cant get why we dont believe her. If we look at her families response to Liar. My gawd can you imagine what else she has gotten away with that we will never know of. Thankfully it is their own beh. that nails them in the end.

Hey Beemers & Nawners!! Since you mentioned Ann Rule, I thought I'd weigh in. I've been a big fan of hers for years and have read every book she's written. She's got a no-nonsense way of telling the facts and truth. I guess I like her style and she's a "fellow-Seattleite", having been a detective on the force for many years. Luv her books. :beer:
DrewB

[beemer]

Hey Drew:beer: I am reading a book i cant put down. Runaway Devil-true crime. It arrived today and i was saving it for tomorrow :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Beemers & Nawners!! Since you mentioned Ann Rule, I thought I'd weigh in. I've been a big fan of hers for years and have read every book she's written. She's got a no-nonsense way of telling the facts and truth. I guess I like her style and she's a "fellow-Seattleite", having been a detective on the force for many years. Luv her books. :beer:
DrewB

Hey you and Nawny too! :seeya:

I've never read any Ann Rule, wonder if she's in any of my umpteen book clubs? Gonna look. Beemy, thanks for bringing her up.

[BeastofBears]

That is scary on the TES issue. It will give folks second thoughts. If anyone should write a book it should be all the people whose lives have been upset by this. I hate that Liar has this power-for now- cuz we all know she is luving it. Oh well at least pay back is a b/i/t/c/h :eek:


oh, I'm sure the senior Anthonies will come through. That book is sure to be about all those who have truly suffered.

*snork*

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew:beer: I am reading a book i cant put down. Runaway Devil-true crime. It arrived today and i was saving it for tomorrow :shrug:

Hey-Back Beemer! I know it's OT for this thread but I just bought that book tonight!! I'll start tomorrow then we can discuss!! :beer:
DrewB

[Nawny]

Hey-Back Beemer! I know it's OT for this thread but I just bought that book tonight!! I'll start tomorrow then we can discuss!! :beer:
DrewB

WOo hoo! Thanks girls. I'll get me a copy too! Going to Amazon right now. I need a good book. DrewB Ann Rule is a very good writer. I love her style. Simple plain darn English! That's a good writer to me. I hate those authors who write like they have a long winded wish. My eyes wander off the page once, and I close the book. I'm a bad one that way. Anne Rule keeps you riveted. All her books are true stories too.. Loretta, you will like her.

Hmm is it not a coincidence that we are fascinated by criminal minds? Is that a disorder? Like addiction to shoes? :punch:

Speaking of shoes, I have to go take my shoes off, shower and get into my cotton jammys. Iwas galavanting all day.. I'll be back later.

[DrewBerry]

WOo hoo! Thanks girls. I'll get me a copy too! Going to Amazon right now. I need a good book. DrewB Ann Rule is a very good writer. I love her style. Simple plain darn English! That's a good writer to me. I hate those authors who write like they have a long winded wish. My eyes wander off the page once, and I close the book. I'm a bad one that way. Anne Rule keeps you riveted. All her books are true stories too.. Loretta, you will like her.

Hmm is it not a coincidence that we are fascinated by criminal minds? Is that a disorder? Like addiction to shoes? :punch:

Speaking of shoes, I have to go take my shoes off, shower and get into my cotton jammys. Iwas galavanting all day.. I'll be back later.


I know whatcha mean, Nawny. Ann Rule has a special way of telling the true story without dressing it up. She tells it like it is and she brialliantly integrates the psychological questions I always seem to ask myself. Fascinating stuff isn't it? I'm not sure what that says about us, girls?!
I know that's what draws me to Caylee's case. Trying to figure out what drives human behavior and wanting answers to the question, "Why?" All the while knowing that we most likely will never get answers.
So you were out galavanting today, huh? Hope you had a grand day!
:seeya:
DrewB