Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[beemer]

I tend to lean towards the fact that most folk:chicken:from the Ants. They strike me as those folk who 5 minutes in your radar is up and ya just know. Not to mention there was prolly word around a bit that Liar was a Liar. Lord knows what the neighbours have heard over the years. The language they used as just everyday communication:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure where a lot of the pics we had of Caylee came from ---maybe off Casey's my space before it was all deleted and made private and all that? Cuz I'm pretty sure those pics weren't put out by the A's--they weren't into the selling @ the very beginning when those came out.

I would think that, even if they came from Casey's MySpace, that she surely would have included pics of other kids Caylee played with, or attended bd parties. So, I really don't think there could have been any other kids than Casey's imaginary friend's imaginary kids.

I think you're exactly right, but I've spent the day trying not to be a hard ass about the advAntageous ones.

[beemer]

I think you're exactly right, but I've spent the day trying not to be a hard ass about the advAntageous ones.

Haaa Haaa why i ask LOL:D:biggrin::tongue: Didn't somebody-one of Liars friends sell some pics to a rag mag? I thought that was in a doc dump?

[beemer]

Nite all :seeya:

[Wagsy]

Nite all :seeya:
I'm outta here too. Nite everyone!

[lighthousedazy]

I'm outta here too. Nite everyone!Good night friends.

[Gatordog]

Heard this morning on WFTV that the Judge in the civil trial has denied Morgan's request to move up a hearing. There is a hearing set for September regarding the ZFG civil suit. Has to do with the Liar not answering questions, George not answering questions and something else - perhaps the trial date.

[Gatordog]

Casey Anthony: Could 'spiteful *****' comment catch up with her?
posted by halboedeker on Jul 30, 2009 7:27:52 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/07/casey-anthony--1.html

[deacon]

Casey Anthony: Could 'spiteful *****' comment catch up with her?
posted by halboedeker on Jul 30, 2009 7:27:52 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/07/casey-anthony--1.html

Keep on digging that hole casey/cindy/george. It will get deep enough in a while.

[Justice Denied?]

With all the "spin" she should have been a lawyer. Well, maybe not she does have trouble even saying a half-truth.

I beleve she could do as well or better than Jose Baez. JMO, MOO

[Justice Denied?]

I think the talking head has not been following this story like we have, imo. We know the many permutations that have happened, and if you ask me, they will all cancel out anything Cindy has to say on the stand. If I were on a jury and had several versions played and read to me, that witness would no longer be credible to me.

I just know I don't want any pizza a la squirrel from Orlando...I mean, if the local pizza can be confused with decomp, I'm pretty sure it didn't come out of Gator's kitchen...

Believe me, CA knows the difference. My next door neighbor & I shre an entryway into our apartments. This week there has been a strong odor of "something dead". We looked and looked. Last night we finally found a dead horned toad. Isn't it strange that both of us knew it wsn't garbage or pizza. It can't be explained but you just know.

[BeastofBears]

Believe me, CA knows the difference. My next door neighbor & I shre an entryway into our apartments. This week there has been a strong odor of "something dead". We looked and looked. Last night we finally found a dead horned toad. Isn't it strange that both of us knew it wsn't garbage or pizza. It can't be explained but you just know.

I know. Believe me, when I mummified the Cornish game hen...the whole apartment building knew. worst stink I've ever created, and it was less than 1 pound of decomp. I can only imagine what a hotboxed car smelled like. I'm amazed they survived.

In spite of what's happened since, I still feel sorry for George when he describes it to the cops and basically admits knowing it was Caylee :( They have come apart at the seams from what Casey has done to them, imo. How could anyone destroy their entire family like this? and continue to do so?

moo and imo and al that good stuff.

[BeastofBears]

Yes putting this case together must be a friggin nightmare to sift thru. Wonder how much more there is we have not even layed eyes on yet. I can only imagine:shrug:

Yeah, can you believe it? How do you create the "storyline" for the jury when you have no idea, literally, who is lying or telling the truth about any single thing at any time? This has to be one of the most convoluted cases ever...like that whole analytical portion of the GRE...you know, with Chef Pierre and his %@*!@ soup schedule?

[Gatordog]

Good post! In answer to your question, the doc dump has a statement from Cindy saying she "remembered Casey saying Zanny had given her the hair straightener". So, she still never met the nanny. Err...what nanny? IMO

And during a jail house visit, the Liar told her mother that Zanny "gave her a hair straightener, Remember!". I guess that's why Cindy was so upset when she realized that the visit was taped. I guess it didn't sink in at the time.

[Gatordog]

You make me laugh all the time with your remarks. I still laugh when I remember the one where your mom accidentally hit your dad in the head with her purse when trying to use it on you children. These are the reasons I chose this place to make my adventure into posting on boards about a subject.

My sister came home after working 2nd shift and closed the bedroom door except about 8 inches to my parents room. We were laughing and giggling when we heard "BOOM...BOOM" in rapid succession then Dad hollering, "It wasn't me, it wasn't me!"

Thanks Wagsy! :seeya: I try in this tragedy to lighten up the situation some. As to the purse to the head. I think someone else also wrote the same thing either happened to him by his wife, or his dad. I guess a lot of dad's have unintentional lumps on their heads from purses.

Gator

[Gatordog]

The only playmate(s) I've ever heard referred to were the little boy & girl that Zanny was supposedly taking care of along with Caylee. Other than that, her playmates were probably the dogs at home!

I agree with you ~ there's so much info to this case that I can't even begin to imagine the amount of storage space needed to hold it all. And, I wouldn't want to have the job of deciding what to use and what not to use! :chicken: Where in the world would you start????

Yeah Wagsy, in other words, the playmates were all in the Liar's head. Must be crowded in there with all these imaginary people. It's like when the Japanese get on a train and it's so crowded that they have these "pushers" who try to get everyone in one car.


http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy039.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[BeastofBears]

And during a jail house visit, the Liar told her mother that Zanny "gave her a hair straightener, Remember!". I guess that's why Cindy was so upset when she realized that the visit was taped. I guess it didn't sink in at the time.

Well, that caps it for me. If there's a hair straightener, there must be a nanny!
Think about the description Casey gave of the nanny-remember that she said she had curly hair but she straightened it? All the weird little details, all weave together...but it won't convince a jury any more than it convinces me...

imo and moo.

[Gatordog]

Buy that boy a razor and some Oxy-10! I see that in #9 he's checking his wrist for a hickey.

Forget the razor, just give him a bag. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/paperbag.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gee, you think someone should tell him he's "no 10 and he's not even cute". JMO

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think the talking head has not been following this story like we have, imo. We know the many permutations that have happened, and if you ask me, they will all cancel out anything Cindy has to say on the stand. If I were on a jury and had several versions played and read to me, that witness would no longer be credible to me.

I just know I don't want any pizza a la squirrel from Orlando...I mean, if the local pizza can be confused with decomp, I'm pretty sure it didn't come out of Gator's kitchen...

HA! Pizza doesn't even have a chance to get cold in my house nevermind rotten. I laugh (although it isn't funny) at the thought of George driving home in the stink car with all the windows open, his head out of the window, in the pouring rain.

Gator

[BeastofBears]

HA! Pizza doesn't even have a chance to get cold in my house nevermind rotten. I laugh (although it isn't funny) at the thought of George driving home in the stink car with all the windows open, his head out of the window, in the pouring rain.

Gator

Yeah, there is dark humor in this...I always picture a dog hanging out the window when I hear the story...

I would have called AAA and had it towed to a detailers or something. I can't imagine driving in it...that's one thing that get my antennae up, though it may really mean nothing. After paying, what?, over $500? to get the car out of the lot, maybe they were saving money by doing it themselves, so I understand that too...I guess the whole situation so mystifies me I don't know what to believe any more...moo

[BeastofBears]

Weird. Lee Anthony's attorney just quit, says Lee no longer needs an attorney :shrug:

http://www.wesh.com/news/20222439/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

I know. Believe me, when I mummified the Cornish game hen...the whole apartment building knew. worst stink I've ever created, and it was less than 1 pound of decomp. I can only imagine what a hotboxed car smelled like. I'm amazed they survived.

In spite of what's happened since, I still feel sorry for George when he describes it to the cops and basically admits knowing it was Caylee :( They have come apart at the seams from what Casey has done to them, imo. How could anyone destroy their entire family like this? and continue to do so?

moo and imo and al that good stuff.

Okay I have to ask here. I have never seen a mummified cornish hen. Is that how you cook them?

[BeastofBears]

Okay I have to ask here. I have never seen a mummified cornish hen. Is that how you cook them?

No, I was teaching Intro to Egyptology and I required everyone to mummify something as an experiment to figure out the ancient "recipe" (I had several different formulations to try an mimic natron salt). Appallingly smelly, gangrenous.

[SaraSidle]

No, I was teaching Intro to Egyptology and I required everyone to mummify something as an experiment to figure out the ancient "recipe" (I had several different formulations to try an mimic natron salt). Appallingly smelly, gangrenous.

Of course. I should have known. You must have a great career and interesting jobs. sara

Another thing I do not understand is why Lee was given immunity. I am very suspicious especially on the coded phone call at the Jail. It was pretty obvious. :shrug: sara

[BeastofBears]

Of course. I should have known. You must have a great career and interesting jobs. sara

Another thing I do not understand is why Lee was given immunity. I am very suspicious especially on the coded phone call at the Jail. It was pretty obvious. :shrug: sara

iirc, someone said way back that in Florida, if someone is subpoena'd, they automatically get use immunity, which means that things said in the depo cannot be used against them, but they could still be in trouble if there's other evidence, so it is not total immunity. I don't recall the source or I'd put up the link. Maybe Gator knows...

all iirc...

[SaraSidle]

iirc, someone said way back that in Florida, if someone is subpoena'd, they automatically get use immunity, which means that things said in the depo cannot be used against them, but they could still be in trouble if there's other evidence, so it is not total immunity. I don't recall the source or I'd put up the link. Maybe Gator knows...

all iirc...

It sure would be nice to know what they were saying to each other. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Casey Anthony: Could 'spiteful *****' comment catch up with her?
posted by halboedeker on Jul 30, 2009 7:27:52 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/07/casey-anthony--1.html

...he's worried the defense will twist the information to attack his son.

"If I was a parent out there watching this story, I'd be thankful it wasn't my son that fell in love with Casey Anthony," Richard Grund said...

Understatement.

...Defense attorney Jose Baez denied withholding evidence, saying, "Any assertion of that would be totally false and ridiculous." ...

Oh for the love of Mike, why say anything? Yet he whines and snivels about the speed of discovery from the prosecution.

...but when the defendant hands it to you on a silver platter, you don't ignore it...

Preach it, Bill Sheaffer!

[lorettalockhorn]

Forget the razor, just give him a bag. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/paperbag.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gee, you think someone should tell him he's "no 10 and he's not even cute". JMO

Gator

http://i16.tinypic.com/6hgilwy.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, there is dark humor in this...I always picture a dog hanging out the window when I hear the story...

I would have called AAA and had it towed to a detailers or something. I can't imagine driving in it...that's one thing that get my antennae up, though it may really mean nothing. After paying, what?, over $500? to get the car out of the lot, maybe they were saving money by doing it themselves, so I understand that too...I guess the whole situation so mystifies me I don't know what to believe any more...moo

Don't you think that after George knew what the odor was it became a necessary DIY project? Even if they could afford the impound fee, they couldn't afford to let anyone else detail the car. That's why I think they knowingly aided and abetted.

ETA: That's sort of a rhetorical "don't you think?". I realize we all have different ways of looking at behaviors and motivations. :tongue:

[Gatordog]

iirc, someone said way back that in Florida, if someone is subpoena'd, they automatically get use immunity, which means that things said in the depo cannot be used against them, but they could still be in trouble if there's other evidence, so it is not total immunity. I don't recall the source or I'd put up the link. Maybe Gator knows...

all iirc...

That was explained on the Nancy Grace show. From what I remember, you explained it very clearly.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much for the links today! Still playing catch up. And it's kinda hard to do when your internet connection is intermittent, and more off than on. Can't they get up here with something more effective than bubblegum to repair my link to The Real World?!?!

[lorettalockhorn]

That was explained on the Nancy Grace show. From what I remember, you explained it very clearly.

Sounds about right, it's similar to fifth amendment rights. No one can be forced to implicate themselves under oath, but in this instance it's more important to have the information brought to light.

[BeastofBears]

Don't you think that after George knew what the odor was it became a necessary DIY project? Even if they could afford the impound fee, they couldn't afford to let anyone else detail the car. That's why I think they knowingly aided and abetted.

ETA: That's sort of a rhetorical "don't you think?". I realize we all have different ways of looking at behaviors and motivations. :tongue:

I cannot say that is not door #3 in my mind. The fact that they can see the stain but get no analytical results from it (dna etc.) also implies to me that a very thorough cleaning was done. Now, we know the A's are neat freaks, but they also have the know-how if it was intentional...I mean, if there was decomposition, wouldn't there also be shed cells, and therefor some dna? There are ways to destroy dna. Whether that was done accidently or...? That makes me go hmmm.

all moo and etc. and I'm no CSI.

[BeastofBears]

Thanks so much for the links today! Still playing catch up. And it's kinda hard to do when your internet connection is intermittent, and more off than on. Can't they get up here with something more effective than bubblegum to repair my link to The Real World?!?!

I wondered where you've been!

[lorettalockhorn]

I wondered where you've been!

HAH! Well you know I didn't go out and get a job. Or a life. Piano tuner was here this morning, an old bud of ours. We had lots of catching up to do since last time. And I couldn't get online! I've never gone as long as a week without an outage. Poor poor pitiful me.

So these links and docs really make it more and more clear that the arrogANTs are so far the only parties who have refused a lie detector. Don't most family members beat a hot trail to have themselves cleared so LE can focus on bona fide suspects?

[DrewBerry]

Hi Drew :seeya: To be honest with you, I've never seen what I would term REAL GRIEF ever in any videos posted throughout since this came down last July from G&C. Now, I know people grieve differently but at some time we all go through the 5 major stages of grief.

*Denial
*Anger
*Bargaining
*Depression
*Acceptance

I've noticed a lot of denial & anger and maybe that's where they're stuck. But, throughout grieving, at any or all stages, there are real tears. I've seen fake ones produced by them when they didn't want the autopsy report released, maybe there were even a few at the memorial service but none seemed genuine to me. JMO's Sometimes you're numb, exhausted, in shock, feeling like you're in the spotlight and can't break down like you'd really want to, whatever; but usually there is crying at some point. Maybe it's been all contained and only done in the house on Hopespring Drive. As public as they've made themselves, you'd think something would trigger the REAL THING. Haven't observed it from my perspective. Just my thoughts and opinions for what they're worth!! :tongue:

U R correct, my friend. :beer:I have never seen ANY real tears. I've never seen any real emotion from any of them except anger and rage. No heartfelt, gutwrenching, sadness. No wonder they raised a sociopath. JMO. Good to see ya. :seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew:seeya: You still in the sweltering heat wave?


Hey Beemer! Yes. Wed. set a new all time Seattle record of 104 degrees. Yesterday cooled down to 99. Today we are in a gradual cool down to 90. I took today off just to enjoy the cool weather and get some yard work done. How's it going? I haven't been on the boards much lately so I try to catch up here and there. Sounds like there's a little action, finally. :seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Believe me, CA knows the difference. My next door neighbor & I shre an entryway into our apartments. This week there has been a strong odor of "something dead". We looked and looked. Last night we finally found a dead horned toad. Isn't it strange that both of us knew it wsn't garbage or pizza. It can't be explained but you just know.

Hi JD. Good to see ya! Yes, the average person can tell the difference between something dead and rotting food. The Grinch's backtracking lie about pizza is just plain stupid. WTF! She has convinced herself that she's smarter than everyone else. She is an expert liar and she created a daughter in her own image.
:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Don't you think that after George knew what the odor was it became a necessary DIY project? Even if they could afford the impound fee, they couldn't afford to let anyone else detail the car. That's why I think they knowingly aided and abetted.

ETA: That's sort of a rhetorical "don't you think?". I realize we all have different ways of looking at behaviors and motivations. :tongue:

Loretta, ITA!:beer: They ALL knowingly covered up and their lies will be exposed. I simply can't wait! :mad:
DrewB

[beemer]

Hey Beemer! Yes. Wed. set a new all time Seattle record of 104 degrees. Yesterday cooled down to 99. Today we are in a gradual cool down to 90. I took today off just to enjoy the cool weather and get some yard work done. How's it going? I haven't been on the boards much lately so I try to catch up here and there. Sounds like there's a little action, finally. :seeya:
DrewB
Oh gawd Drew stay cool sweetie. Yes you must be sleepless in Seattle:eek: Here have a cold one on me:beer:

[beemer]

Loretta, ITA!:beer: They ALL knowingly covered up and their lies will be exposed. I simply can't wait! :mad:
DrewB

Ya and G&C are still lawyered up. Unlike Lee who apparently now does not need one:D

[DrewBerry]

Oh gawd Drew stay cool sweetie. Yes you must be sleepless in Seattle:eek: Here have a cold one on me:beer:

Here's to us, Beemer! :beer::beer:

Drew

[beemer]

Here's to us, Beemer! :beer::beer:

Drew

Yee Haw:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Yee Haw:beer:

Yeah, yeah, enjoy your beer summit! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Yee Haw:beer:

I'm in if there's room! :beer:

OT: I've read some of the Jesse Grund stuff (egads that personnel info is public. yikes!). Kinda surprised with what the criticisms were that he really wanted to be in LE. Any idea what his personal reason for leaving was? Just bad review(s), the need for remedial training, too many "brain farts"?

[BeastofBears]

I'm in if there's room! :beer:

OT: I've read some of the Jesse Grund stuff (egads that personnel info is public. yikes!). Kinda surprised with what the criticisms were that he really wanted to be in LE. Any idea what his personal reason for leaving was? Just bad review(s), the need for remedial training, too many "brain farts"?

I'll bet it just turned out it wasn't a good fit, and hence the little problems. Hard to be sharp when your heart isn't in something anymore (caveat: I only read summaries. It's way too personal for me to read his job performance stuff, grades, etc. I mean, where are Gorgeous' grades, if you know what I mean?)

[One2Snoop]

I'll bet it just turned out it wasn't a good fit, and hence the little problems. Hard to be sharp when your heart isn't in something anymore (caveat: I only read summaries. It's way too personal for me to read his job performance stuff, grades, etc. I mean, where are Gorgeous' grades, if you know what I mean?)

You have a good memory BoB - that is exactly what I remember reading as to why he quit LE.

[BeastofBears]

You have a good memory BoB - that is exactly what I remember reading as to why he quit LE.

Yeah...I vaguely remember him on NG (?) with his dad and someone asked, right? Do you know what he's doing now? Not that its any of my business, but I hope he's okay after being sucked into the vortex...

[One2Snoop]

Yeah...I vaguely remember him on NG (?) with his dad and someone asked, right? Do you know what he's doing now? Not that its any of my business, but I hope he's okay after being sucked into the vortex...

I don't remember if I read it in an article or it was on NG - suffering from old timers disease here. :tongue:

I haven't heard what he's been up to and I ditto your sentiment. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'll bet it just turned out it wasn't a good fit, and hence the little problems. Hard to be sharp when your heart isn't in something anymore (caveat: I only read summaries. It's way too personal for me to read his job performance stuff, grades, etc. I mean, where are Gorgeous' grades, if you know what I mean?)

Thanks BoB.

It's just hard to believe that this tihs is public information, I know that in Arkiesauce it's like pulling hens' teeth to find our what went on in personnel sessions even where laws were (most likely) broken (like that sumb!tch Lou Hardin who is now President of some yahoo college in Florida thanks to Mike Huckabee after being rode out on a rail here). I just can't tell from the 20% or so of what I've read why in the world Jesse signed up for LE, considering that he seemingly went in with an off attitude. I know tons of guys (that's a unisex term, right?), and they are hoots just about everywhere but on the job. I've even called 911 to make a report, gotten hold of someone I know, and there is zero familiarity (not that I would expect it any other way). This is serious business.

As for Gorgeous' grades, maybe they don't record numbers so low they fall off the scale? Don't publish scores for people who rank below special ed? (NO Offense to special ed students implied here.) Public schools can't touch that thang with a ten foot pole?

[lorettalockhorn]

OT from Jesse Grund, but I find it interesting that Luka would announce that he is no longer LA's attorney. There's just no telling what could come up between now and the time of the trial, not to mention this supposedly leaves Lee without an attorney at the time of the trial. Wju not just stay on board just in case? Anyone else fine this strange to not stick with a client until the case in question is settled?

[BeastofBears]

OT from Jesse Grund, but I find it interesting that Luka would announce that he is no longer LA's attorney. There's just no telling what could come up between now and the time of the trial, not to mention this supposedly leaves Lee without an attorney at the time of the trial. Wju not just stay on board just in case? Anyone else fine this strange to not stick with a client until the case in question is settled?

Doesn't it remind you of Nejame going bye-bye? I wonder what really happened in the deposition, honestly. Antennae are up...

[DrewBerry]

I'm in if there's room! :beer:

OT: I've read some of the Jesse Grund stuff (egads that personnel info is public. yikes!). Kinda surprised with what the criticisms were that he really wanted to be in LE. Any idea what his personal reason for leaving was? Just bad review(s), the need for remedial training, too many "brain farts"?

Here's to you too, :beer:!!!!


Haven't read the docs. yet about Jesse. It is a shame that his private info is out there for all to see because of crazy casey. She's caused so much damage to so many. . . :flamemad:
Drew

[DrewBerry]

OT from Jesse Grund, but I find it interesting that Luka would announce that he is no longer LA's attorney. There's just no telling what could come up between now and the time of the trial, not to mention this supposedly leaves Lee without an attorney at the time of the trial. Wju not just stay on board just in case? Anyone else fine this strange to not stick with a client until the case in question is settled?

I do, Loretta!! Like the way ya think, girl! When I first read it, my gut told me that Luka flat quit--that perhaps he no longer wanted to represent Slobber-Lips for "whatever reason." Call me a cynic but maybe, just maybe, Luka wanted out while he was ahead. OR, maybe he was fired?? I think it is odd that an attorney would remove himself when he could remain on the "payroll" so to speak. JMO. I wouldn't be surprised if another lawyer surfaces for Brother Dearest before the trial begins.
Hmmmmm. :confused:
Drew

[DrewBerry]

Doesn't it remind you of Nejame going bye-bye? I wonder what really happened in the deposition, honestly. Antennae are up...

YES! Bob. ITA. Sumthin's fishy.:no:

DrewB

[Amy]

Weird. Lee Anthony's attorney just quit, says Lee no longer needs an attorney :shrug:

http://www.wesh.com/news/20222439/detail.html

Seems that getting the immunity, "use immunity" whatever that means would have been his role, and now that that has been accomplished, that Lee really wouldn't still need a lawyer? I dunno. I think I'd kind of keep him til after the trial is over. And, perhaps that is what Lee is doing....having given his depo for the civil trial and the criminal trial, that he will probably not need the services of an attorney til the trial starts. Instead of paying a lawyer the whole time, save up the money to use to rehire when needed?

[Gatordog]

I do, Loretta!! Like the way ya think, girl! When I first read it, my gut told me that Luka flat quit--that perhaps he no longer wanted to represent Slobber-Lips for "whatever reason." Call me a cynic but maybe, just maybe, Luka wanted out while he was ahead. OR, maybe he was fired?? I think it is odd that an attorney would remove himself when he could remain on the "payroll" so to speak. JMO. I wouldn't be surprised if another lawyer surfaces for Brother Dearest before the trial begins.
Hmmmmm. :confused:
Drew

Heard this morning that Luka might be back to represent LA in the civil trial, if necessary.

[beemer]

Yeah, yeah, enjoy your beer summit! :beer:
Well ya can join us Bob:beer:;)

[beemer]

I'm in if there's room! :beer:

OT: I've read some of the Jesse Grund stuff (egads that personnel info is public. yikes!). Kinda surprised with what the criticisms were that he really wanted to be in LE. Any idea what his personal reason for leaving was? Just bad review(s), the need for remedial training, too many "brain farts"?

Always room for ya :beer: Come everyone:beer: I have to admit it did get the best of me and i did peek a bit. Didn't read enough to form any opines. Maybe he realized it just was not for him?

[Gatordog]

I was reported this morning that today is George's turn at the State's deposition.

I hope they have tissues and a barf bag on hand.

Gator

[Gatordog]

George's Depo delayed

http://www.wesh.com/news/20261769/detail.html

Wonder why the dep has been postponed? Just thinking out loud - maybe he doesn't remember the facts as well as Cindy and Lee and needs a little reminding. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) Lot's of different versions of things out there. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Always room for ya :beer: Come everyone:beer: I have to admit it did get the best of me and i did peek a bit. Didn't read enough to form any opines. Maybe he realized it just was not for him?

It's five o'clock somewhere! :beer:

Didn't read the whole report, but JG seemed to have attitude problems, in that he just didn't seem serious about the job from day one. That's what made me wonder why he even started the process.

[lorettalockhorn]

George's Depo delayed

http://www.wesh.com/news/20261769/detail.html

Wonder why the dep has been postponed? Just thinking out loud - maybe he doesn't remember the facts as well as Cindy and Lee and needs a little reminding. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) Lot's of different versions of things out there. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

Love those gossip smileys! Seems to me that George applied for a job a while back but I'll be darned if I can find a link except in conjunction with the suicide attempt. Maybe his work schedule is the reason for the delay?

Or maybe Cindy is still teaching him what he remembers. ;)

[beemer]

Love those gossip smileys! Seems to me that George applied for a job a while back but I'll be darned if I can find a link except in conjunction with the suicide attempt. Maybe his work schedule is the reason for the delay?

Or maybe Cindy is still teaching him what he remembers. ;)
HaaaHaaa:beer::hat: Well maybe he just didn't get those pages and page numbers memorized in timely fashion;)

[beemer]

Wow it just hit me-G is job hunting???? well must be drying up:shrug: Now that they appear normal they are old news. Except to us fat poster blogger people with no lives:D

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow it just hit me-G is job hunting???? well must be drying up:shrug: Now that they appear normal they are old news. Except to us fat poster blogger people with no lives:D

Maybe he's trying to set an example for us fpbp!

Wish I could remember where I read that, if it was a news item or blog or what. Usually I can remember exactly what the page looked like, but it's not coming to me this time.

Maybe the well's not dry, but he's working to pay off his Nigerian Prince Debt to Cindy. :punch:

[beemer]

Maybe he's trying to set an example for us fpbp!

Wish I could remember where I read that, if it was a news item or blog or what. Usually I can remember exactly what the page looked like, but it's not coming to me this time.

Maybe the well's not dry, but he's working to pay off his Nigerian Prince Debt to Cindy. :punch:

Excellent point Loretta;) we all can pretty much gather C will never let G live that one down-cant say as i blame her for that one tho-dumbass:eek: I'll bet LE looked into that one to see if the money trail stopped at Liar. It will be interesting to see if it does come out as to just what happened to that money:shrug: Former LE falling for that scam??? I'll bet everyone here has rec'd that email at some point. I have had it several times. Bad George:punch: So i hope down the road we are privy to the truth:shrug: I guess somebody needs to foot the bill since C is upon occasion styling:biggrin:

[Wagsy]

Sheesh! Had to be offline for a few days and looky all the things that happen! Thanks to all for keeping me filled in with the posts. So Lee loses his lawyer (whether by intent or else he's another casualty of the Case), Bozo is said to have withheld evidence and his spokesperson said it was 'good defense strategy' (me thinks he doth protest too much - why add those accusations are "ridiculous"?) and I want to know who got ahold of my picture when they're posting about fpbp's? ;)

And now Georgies depo is delayed...hmmm. A lot of the math these past few days is not adding up. 2 + 2 is not equaling 4 in a lot of instances, IMO.

I'll be in and out here and there this week. Have a LOT of :read: to do for an exam that's critical. Keep up the good work all! I'll pop in when I can! :seeya:

[Marian Paroo]

I'll be in and out here and there this week. Have a LOT of :read: to do for an exam that's critical. Keep up the good work all! I'll pop in when I can! :seeya:

Whatcha studying? Good luck on your exam!

[Wagsy]

ITA These folks seem to have no shame in airing their dirty laundry/bad behavior. Why go to such lengths to hids what's real? Unless what we've seen is real and that's all there is.

I asked myself today if G&C were to straighten up and fly right, i.e. tell the truth, would I give them the benefit of the doubt? And yes, I would. I'd give them at least another chance. But then I'm putting conditions on them and I don't even know them. Sooooooooo I guess no matter how you look at it, I'm judging them. But when people are in your life, you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to jerking you around. :shrug:

Okay Lor, I know I'm going back a few days here but this post of yours has stuck in my head over the weekend. So you'd give them the benefit of the doubt. You're a very generous person. :rose: I say they'd have to re-gain my TRUST again. How? Don't know the answer to that since I'm never sure if or when they're telling the truth. And I think we are all judging them but then they're given themselves so much exposure and tried to jerk us (the public) around that I've drawn a line and said, "To here and no further". So, I probably wouldn't give them much credit even if they DID straighten up and fly right...JMO's :)

[Wagsy]

Whatcha studying? Good luck on your exam!

Just Certified Nurse Assistant exam at this point...maybe going on to nurse at some point if it works out. Thanks - I'll need all the help I can get! Already took and passed the CPR course for health workers. :seeya: I've heard the real money is in working in prisons. *shudder* no-thank-you!!! :chicken: Especially if I had to encounter the likes of CMA. 'Course, there are lots of those every where in the world, too, no matter where you work, I suppose! *sigh*

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent point Loretta;) we all can pretty much gather C will never let G live that one down-cant say as i blame her for that one tho-dumbass:eek: I'll bet LE looked into that one to see if the money trail stopped at Liar. It will be interesting to see if it does come out as to just what happened to that money:shrug: Former LE falling for that scam??? I'll bet everyone here has rec'd that email at some point. I have had it several times. Bad George:punch: So i hope down the road we are privy to the truth:shrug: I guess somebody needs to foot the bill since C is upon occasion styling:biggrin:

I hope that LE is following the money too! (And if not, I recommend it.) I've never received that email, but it's so ubiquitous that it was a Jeopardy clue a couple of weeks ago!

[Marian Paroo]

Just Certified Nurse Assistant exam at this point...maybe going on to nurse at some point if it works out. Thanks - I'll need all the help I can get! Already took and passed the CPR course for health workers. :seeya: I've heard the real money is in working in prisons. *shudder* no-thank-you!!! :chicken: Especially if I had to encounter the likes of CMA. 'Course, there are lots of those every where in the world, too, no matter where you work, I suppose! *sigh*

We don't have those here, nor do we have PAs.

What kind of training is involved? And no nurse is "just"!

I'm a librarian at a university med school here. We got a lot of access to ejournals and ebooks. Lemme know if I can help you.

[Wagsy]

And during a jail house visit, the Liar told her mother that Zanny "gave her a hair straightener, Remember!". I guess that's why Cindy was so upset when she realized that the visit was taped. I guess it didn't sink in at the time.

Guess that's the real reason they have not visited her in jail since October. What other information might they accidentally reveal? ;)

Thanks Wagsy! :seeya: I try in this tragedy to lighten up the situation some. As to the purse to the head. I think someone else also wrote the same thing either happened to him by his wife, or his dad. I guess a lot of dad's have unintentional lumps on their heads from purses.


Gator

Haven't tried that one yet...may need to use my purse as a weapon sometime. Lord knows it could really hurt if it even connected. My aim's not that great!


Yeah Wagsy, in other words, the playmates were all in the Liar's head. Must be crowded in there with all these imaginary people. It's like when the Japanese get on a train and it's so crowded that they have these "pushers" who try to get everyone in one car.


http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy039.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


Gator

And, I'd wager, the majority of those Japanese getting on the train are skinny, not like us fpbp's!!! :patriot:

[Wagsy]

We don't have those here, nor do we have PAs.

What kind of training is involved? And no nurse is "just"!

I'm a librarian at a university med school here. We got a lot of access to ejournals and ebooks. Lemme know if I can help you.

We're the ones that clean up the messes for the nurses but work most directly with the clients/residents/patients. I prefer it to nursing at this point since it deals compassionately with people directly instead of passing meds, admitting/discharging patients, etc. (I am not implying that nurses do not work directly with patients nor that they are not compassionate! I know they do and are!! No offense meant to anyone.) I had to take a course and do clinical and pay for it out of my own pocket. Used to do it years ago when there was no certification needed and loved it then. Still do; it's my niche in life.

Your job sounds interesting! I'd love to have access to all those journals and books. I may take you up on your offer sometime. :read:

For now my question is; our family was politely disagreeing what 'narcissistic' actually is as we were trying to describe the actions of a relative. Anybody? TIA

[Wagsy]

Yeah, there is dark humor in this...I always picture a dog hanging out the window when I hear the story...


Snipped quote. So G is another one of C's dogs to be pulled around on a leash? :tongue: :D :biggrin:

http://i30.tinypic.com/35at9x1.jpg

[Wagsy]

Wow it just hit me-G is job hunting???? well must be drying up:shrug: Now that they appear normal they are old news. Except to us fat poster blogger people with no lives:D

Ahhh...and how did you get a picture of me? I don't recall sending you one! :D

[lorettalockhorn]

We're the ones that clean up the messes for the nurses but work most directly with the clients/residents/patients. I prefer it to nursing at this point since it deals compassionately with people directly instead of passing meds, admitting/discharging patients, etc. (I am not implying that nurses do not work directly with patients nor that they are not compassionate! I know they do and are!! No offense meant to anyone.) I had to take a course and do clinical and pay for it out of my own pocket. Used to do it years ago when there was no certification needed and loved it then. Still do; it's my niche in life.

Your job sounds interesting! I'd love to have access to all those journals and books. I may take you up on your offer sometime. :read:

For now my question is; our family was politely disagreeing what 'narcissistic' actually is as we were trying to describe the actions of a relative. Anybody? TIA

Sometimes in families it's better to eschew politeness and go with what is generally accepted in practice, JMO. Of course that can go over the heads of some.

Here's a definition of narcissistic personality disorder:

DSM IV definition: Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
requires excessive admiration
has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/dsm_iv.html

[Marian Paroo]

Your job sounds interesting! I'd love to have access to all those journals and books. I may take you up on your offer sometime. :read:




People don't realise that not everything is on the 'net, and even if it is, a single article from a medical journal can cost, $30, $60 or more to read (and get a pdf copy of).

That's why they still need libraries, so they can go in and read them there for free. Like books.

Even the guide to nursing literature, CINHAL, is pay per view unless you go into a friendly library that has a subscription!

End of public service annoucement. It's 23.45 and I gotta get some shut-eye!

[Wagsy]

Sometimes in families it's better to eschew politeness and go with what is generally accepted in practice, JMO. Of course that can go over the heads of some.

Here's a definition of narcissistic personality disorder:

DSM IV definition: Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
requires excessive admiration
has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/dsm_iv.html


Aha! I hit the nail on the head! This was a much better description (and very apt) than the one given last night. Thanks for the DSM version! Truly helpful. And yes, what's generally accepted in practice IS better when discussing family!! ;) Mucho thanks!!!!!!!!!!

[Wagsy]

People don't realise that not everything is on the 'net, and even if it is, a single article from a medical journal can cost, $30, $60 or more to read (and get a pdf copy of).

That's why they still need libraries, so they can go in and read them there for free. Like books.

Even the guide to nursing literature, CINHAL, is pay per view unless you go into a friendly library that has a subscription!

End of public service annoucement. It's 23.45 and I gotta get some shut-eye!


I did not realize that! Very educational! Thanks for all - sleep well!!

[Wagsy]

Those hearings will deal with three issues: trying to get Casey to identify Gonzalez as the woman she claimed was her nanny, getting George Anthony to answer questions he refused to answer during his first deposition and getting private investigator, Dominic Casey to answer questions under oath.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20263548/detail.html


And why doesn't Cindy have to be made to answer questions she refused during the first deposition? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Aha! I hit the nail on the head! This was a much better description (and very apt) than the one given last night. Thanks for the DSM version! Truly helpful. And yes, what's generally accepted in practice IS better when discussing family!! ;) Mucho thanks!!!!!!!!!!

YW, Wagsy. Don't always recommend skipping the amenities with family, but in some cases if you go with what's medically or legally accepted, you have a better understanding of how the issue is professionally viewed if God forbid someone ends up in court. And that's very possible with narcissists. Good luck to ya.

[lorettalockhorn]

Those hearings will deal with three issues: trying to get Casey to identify Gonzalez as the woman she claimed was her nanny, getting George Anthony to answer questions he refused to answer during his first deposition and getting private investigator, Dominic Casey to answer questions under oath.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20263548/detail.html


And why doesn't Cindy have to be made to answer questions she refused during the first deposition? :shrug:

All right, finally getting to the crux of the biscuit! Thanks!

[Gatordog]

Guess that's the real reason they have not visited her in jail since October. What other information might they accidentally reveal? ;)



Haven't tried that one yet...may need to use my purse as a weapon sometime. Lord knows it could really hurt if it even connected. My aim's not that great!




And, I'd wager, the majority of those Japanese getting on the train are skinny, not like us fpbp's!!! :patriot:

And the ones in the Liar's head are all 10's!

Gator

[BeastofBears]

All right, finally getting to the crux of the biscuit! Thanks!

You know, if the time ever comes when I have trials and depositions and stuff, I'm going to act like this and cite precedent from State of Florida vs. Anthony. How do you think that'll work out for me?

[Gatordog]

You know, if the time ever comes when I have trials and depositions and stuff, I'm going to act like this and cite precedent from State of Florida vs. Anthony. How do you think that'll work out for me?

To make it work, you will need the magic charm. A mouthful of gum.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, if the time ever comes when I have trials and depositions and stuff, I'm going to act like this and cite precedent from State of Florida vs. Anthony. How do you think that'll work out for me?

To make it work, you will need the magic charm. A mouthful of gum.

http://i10.tinypic.com/3y2h3ti.jpg

[deacon]

http://i10.tinypic.com/3y2h3ti.jpg

That was a good one.

[applesandorange]

That was a good one.


LoL!! Again I agree with Deacon!

Hi Wagsy I didn't get the opportunity to welcome you to the board. Welcome! I hope you're enjoying yourself. This is the friendliest place to be. :beer:

You guys posted so many links..... I am soooo grateful! I think I'll go read some now.

[SaraSidle]

You know, if the time ever comes when I have trials and depositions and stuff, I'm going to act like this and cite precedent from State of Florida vs. Anthony. How do you think that'll work out for me?

I do not think you can use terminology such as crux of the biscuit. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

That was a good one.

Yes Loretta very cute

[Wagsy]

LoL!! Again I agree with Deacon!

Hi Wagsy I didn't get the opportunity to welcome you to the board. Welcome! I hope you're enjoying yourself. This is the friendliest place to be. :beer:

You guys posted so many links..... I am soooo grateful! I think I'll go read some now.

:seeya: Hi A & O. Thanks for the welcome. I am enjoying this experience and it surely it so friendly. So here's one for you :beer: Always enjoy reading your posts and hope I'm not overstepping my bounds by using the A&O shortcut! ;)

[Wagsy]

You know, if the time ever comes when I have trials and depositions and stuff, I'm going to act like this and cite precedent from State of Florida vs. Anthony. How do you think that'll work out for me?

Plllleeeeaaaassssseeeeee....save us! :eek: There's only so much we can take in one lifetime!!! :D

[Wagsy]

I do not think you can use terminology such as crux of the biscuit. IMO sara

I thought we were adding to legal terms, new abbreviations for words, exercising our minds and enlightening the world as we post. Hah!! :tongue:

[applesandorange]

:seeya: Hi A & O. Thanks for the welcome. I am enjoying this experience and it surely it so friendly. So here's one for you :beer: Always enjoy reading your posts and hope I'm not overstepping my bounds by using the A&O shortcut! ;)


LoL! There are very few bounds with me. I'm so glad to see you on here! I'm glad you are having fun here. It feels like a family here.

Dontcha just wish there was more juicy news to discuss? More doc dumps need to come and fast. So of course you think Casey is guilty. What do you think of G&C? Think they had anything to do with the cover up? Just wondering. I like hearing other peoples opinions

[lorettalockhorn]

That was a good one.

See how G&C share their bounty (of bubblegum)? Gives me warm fuzzies. :tongue:

[Wagsy]

http://i10.tinypic.com/3y2h3ti.jpg

Love it! Superb! Fantastic! Way to go!

[lorettalockhorn]

I do not think you can use terminology such as crux of the biscuit. IMO sara

But, but, but the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe!!!

Okay, okay, so maybe only Frank Zappa can get away with such terminology. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

LoL!! Again I agree with Deacon!

Hi Wagsy I didn't get the opportunity to welcome you to the board. Welcome! I hope you're enjoying yourself. This is the friendliest place to be. :beer:

You guys posted so many links..... I am soooo grateful! I think I'll go read some now.

Hey, long time no! :seeya: Good to see you back.

[SaraSidle]

I thought we were adding to legal terms, new abbreviations for words, exercising our minds and enlightening the world as we post. Hah!! :tongue:

Well LOL that was from Loretta and I know she is a wonderful cook IMO In fact I forgot all about the law and was thinking warm biscuit with honey. sara

[SaraSidle]

But, but, but the crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe!!!

Okay, okay, so maybe only Frank Zappa can get away with such terminology. :hat:

too bad he is not around to help BOB sara

[applesandorange]

Hey, long time no! :seeya: Good to see you back.


Yes it seems like forever! I feel like I've been living here forever and it's only been a week. Good to see you held down the fort while I was gone lol ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought we were adding to legal terms, new abbreviations for words, exercising our minds and enlightening the world as we post. Hah!! :tongue:

Yes ma'am, we do that. And when we can't, we make up stuff. ;):hat::beer:

[Wagsy]

LoL! There are very few bounds with me. I'm so glad to see you on here! I'm glad you are having fun here. It feels like a family here.

Dontcha just wish there was more juicy news to discuss? More doc dumps need to come and fast. So of course you think Casey is guilty. What do you think of G&C? Think they had anything to do with the cover up? Just wondering. I like hearing other peoples opinions

Oy! I surely do think Miss Casey is guilty. My opines of G&C...where to start and where to finish? G seemed like a decent fella' at the beginning but somewhere he has lost his way. I feel he had a part in cleaning out the car that Casey was using and may have tainted evidence there but then he seemed sincere in his statement to the officers and when he testified before the grand jury even though it put Casey in a bad light. Cindy, however, I believe knew from the get go what truly happened to Caylee and I believe she washed those pants in Casey's car purposefully. From then on, she tried in every way she could to make everyone else think Casey was innocent. With all that has happened since last July 2008, I have come to really question how human beings can be so odd. Evidence staring them in the face, public opinion and outcry, her daughter's stories torn apart and shown to be lies...yet they go on proclaiming her innocent. They produce nothing that stands up as concrete evidence to prove otherwise. I truly don't understand this couple nor their family. So, in the end, "what goes around, comes around" and I think they'll get their comeuppance for anything they have done that's wrong. :shrug:

Nothing new here that yous haven't already covered!

[lorettalockhorn]

too bad he is not around to help BOB sara

Ain't it the truth! Fine guitarist he was. Saw him in concert once and was just in awe. Of course, he was wearing an Uncle Heavy's Hoghat, so he was quite a visual spectacle.

And you know, I cannot make a biscuit to save my soul. But in case you have Scwan's in your area, their cheese biscuits are just like those yummy ones at Red Lobster.

[DrewBerry]

Sometimes in families it's better to eschew politeness and go with what is generally accepted in practice, JMO. Of course that can go over the heads of some.

Here's a definition of narcissistic personality disorder:

DSM IV definition: Someone who suffers from Narcissistic Personality disorder (NPD) has at least 5 of the following characteristics:

has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
requires excessive admiration
has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

http://www.narcissism101.com/Beginning/dsm_iv.html

Hey Loretta. My co-worker (also a family therapist) is writing a book about the prevalence of NPD in our society and the new generation of kids growing up with such an inflated sense of self and entitlement and grandiose expectations, attitudes. ANYWAY, the red flags that go up for me when I'm diagnosing is the blatant lack of empathy for others and the genuine inability to identify with the feelings and needs of others: Casey for sure. That character defect signals my hinky meter immediately. I also believe the Grinch has several of the above criteria.
As we all know, personality disorders are not treatable.They will never acknowledge they have a problem. They are a nightmare in therapy, especially when I see what they do to their kids. :eek:Attachment issues all over again. JMO.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Hey, where's Nawny lately??
DrewB

[Wagsy]

Hey, where's Nawny lately??
DrewB
Death in the family - see 'anything' thread.
Wags

[Wagsy]

Okay. I'm outta' here. Nite all. Catch up with yous when I can. :seeya:

[BeastofBears]

I do not think you can use terminology such as crux of the biscuit. IMO sara

I actually sounds like a British euphemism for something anatomical, does it not? As in, I saw the paparazzi followed Britney and got a photo of the crux of the bisquit? :tongue:

[SaraSidle]

Ain't it the truth! Fine guitarist he was. Saw him in concert once and was just in awe. Of course, he was wearing an Uncle Heavy's Hoghat, so he was quite a visual spectacle.

And you know, I cannot make a biscuit to save my soul. But in case you have Scwan's in your area, their cheese biscuits are just like those yummy ones at Red Lobster.

My brothers and I just loved Zappa. my DH even knows some words I have forgotten. my one brother has all the albums. sigh.
Hey Loretta I found a recipe using bisquick for the recipe on the ones at red lobster. It was on a board that has recipes from resturants. If I can find it again I will email it. I think Zappy would be a wonderful attorney in this case. sara

[SaraSidle]

I actually sounds like a British euphemism for something anatomical, does it not? As in, I saw the paparazzi followed Britney and got a photo of the crux of the bisquit? :tongue:

Yes actually a British euphemism that calls for the mention of tea also. and maybe even crumpets. Loretta you have me on a roll now........get it.

yes Britney was definitely showing her biscuit. LOL sara

[SaraSidle]

Oy! I surely do think Miss Casey is guilty. My opines of G&C...where to start and where to finish? G seemed like a decent fella' at the beginning but somewhere he has lost his way. I feel he had a part in cleaning out the car that Casey was using and may have tainted evidence there but then he seemed sincere in his statement to the officers and when he testified before the grand jury even though it put Casey in a bad light. Cindy, however, I believe knew from the get go what truly happened to Caylee and I believe she washed those pants in Casey's car purposefully. From then on, she tried in every way she could to make everyone else think Casey was innocent. With all that has happened since last July 2008, I have come to really question how human beings can be so odd. Evidence staring them in the face, public opinion and outcry, her daughter's stories torn apart and shown to be lies...yet they go on proclaiming her innocent. They produce nothing that stands up as concrete evidence to prove otherwise. I truly don't understand this couple nor their family. So, in the end, "what goes around, comes around" and I think they'll get their comeuppance for anything they have done that's wrong. :shrug:

Nothing new here that yous haven't already covered!

nice summary. Have a good sleep.......sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Loretta. My co-worker (also a family therapist) is writing a book about the prevalence of NPD in our society and the new generation of kids growing up with such an inflated sense of self and entitlement and grandiose expectations, attitudes. ANYWAY, the red flags that go up for me when I'm diagnosing is the blatant lack of empathy for others and the genuine inability to identify with the feelings and needs of others: Casey for sure. That character defect signals my hinky meter immediately. I also believe the Grinch has several of the above criteria.
As we all know, personality disorders are not treatable.They will never acknowledge they have a problem. They are a nightmare in therapy, especially when I see what they do to their kids. :eek:Attachment issues all over again. JMO.
DrewB

Drew, that sounds like a good read. I'm thinking that most of us have episodes of smidgens of narcissism, but when it's such a prevailing part of the personality, it's toxic for everyone involved. The Grinch def has grandiose attitudes and an inflated sense of entitlement IMO. The Morgan & Mitnik deposition is a prime example. George's behavior was just as bad.

[lorettalockhorn]

I actually sounds like a British euphemism for something anatomical, does it not? As in, I saw the paparazzi followed Britney and got a photo of the crux of the bisquit? :tongue:

OMG! Are you talking about the string? OMG!

[BeastofBears]

OMG! Are you talking about the string? OMG!

I would prefer to remain a cypher. :)

[lighthousedazy]

Oy! I surely do think Miss Casey is guilty. My opines of G&C...where to start and where to finish? G seemed like a decent fella' at the beginning but somewhere he has lost his way. I feel he had a part in cleaning out the car that Casey was using and may have tainted evidence there but then he seemed sincere in his statement to the officers and when he testified before the grand jury even though it put Casey in a bad light. Cindy, however, I believe knew from the get go what truly happened to Caylee and I believe she washed those pants in Casey's car purposefully. From then on, she tried in every way she could to make everyone else think Casey was innocent. With all that has happened since last July 2008, I have come to really question how human beings can be so odd. Evidence staring them in the face, public opinion and outcry, her daughter's stories torn apart and shown to be lies...yet they go on proclaiming her innocent. They produce nothing that stands up as concrete evidence to prove otherwise. I truly don't understand this couple nor their family. So, in the end, "what goes around, comes around" and I think they'll get their comeuppance for anything they have done that's wrong. :shrug:

Nothing new here that yous haven't already covered!
Wagsy, I do hope you are right. I was always told that "what goes around comes around" too, and I hope they do get their comeuppance. Sometimes it seems that is not happening though. If this were my granddaughter and child that killed granddaughter, I would not show my face in front of a camera and I would not support the baby killer one bit. We never saw a peep out of Susan Smith's or Teresa Fargason's parents during the trials, etc. of these baby killers. jmo :flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes actually a British euphemism that calls for the mention of tea also. and maybe even crumpets. Loretta you have me on a roll now........get it.

yes Britney was definitely showing her biscuit. LOL sara

I FLOVE rolls!

http://i43.tinypic.com/ilegjq.jpg

Er uh rolls.

http://i36.tinypic.com/bc5zn.jpg

I mean rolls.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2d779xy.jpg

[SaraSidle]

I FLOVE rolls!

http://i43.tinypic.com/ilegjq.jpg

Er uh rolls.

http://i36.tinypic.com/bc5zn.jpg

I mean rolls.

http://i32.tinypic.com/2d779xy.jpg

You are just such a cute muffin!!! IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

I would prefer to remain a cypher. :)

cypher - a person of no influence


sounds like JB. sara

[applesandorange]

Oy! I surely do think Miss Casey is guilty. My opines of G&C...where to start and where to finish? G seemed like a decent fella' at the beginning but somewhere he has lost his way. I feel he had a part in cleaning out the car that Casey was using and may have tainted evidence there but then he seemed sincere in his statement to the officers and when he testified before the grand jury even though it put Casey in a bad light. Cindy, however, I believe knew from the get go what truly happened to Caylee and I believe she washed those pants in Casey's car purposefully. From then on, she tried in every way she could to make everyone else think Casey was innocent. With all that has happened since last July 2008, I have come to really question how human beings can be so odd. Evidence staring them in the face, public opinion and outcry, her daughter's stories torn apart and shown to be lies...yet they go on proclaiming her innocent. They produce nothing that stands up as concrete evidence to prove otherwise. I truly don't understand this couple nor their family. So, in the end, "what goes around, comes around" and I think they'll get their comeuppance for anything they have done that's wrong. :shrug:

Nothing new here that yous haven't already covered!


Well put! I think most of us are in total agreement. When you think back to the begining of this case there is just too much evidence. Makes you wonder why JB is even sticking with it. I mean common sense tells everyone there is no way CA could be innocent. And then looking at her parents.... IMO they are just as bad as her. Anyone who covers up for a murderer is just as bad IMO.

[DrewBerry]

Death in the family - see 'anything' thread.
Wags

Many thanks, Wags for letting me know. :rose:

Drew

[SaraSidle]

You are just such a cute muffin!!! IMO sara

I sent you and bob a link in your pm's


This case has me so tired I am going to have to go to bed now........have a good night.....sara

[beemer]

Ahhh...and how did you get a picture of me? I don't recall sending you one! :D

I would describe us as the best poster blogger people with really big hearts and very rich lives;) Cindy would never believe us tho. Yeah those were Cindy's words. So.... I guess we are to surmise she doesn't think any of us are 10's:D

[beemer]

Good luck with your exam wags-you will do well :seeya:

[Gatordog]

My brothers and I just loved Zappa. my DH even knows some words I have forgotten. my one brother has all the albums. sigh.
Hey Loretta I found a recipe using bisquick for the recipe on the ones at red lobster. It was on a board that has recipes from resturants. If I can find it again I will email it. I think Zappy would be a wonderful attorney in this case. sara

Just about anyone would be a wonderful attorney on this case except the one already on it, IMO. Thank goodness for small favors. I would have hated to see an F. Lee Bailey or Jerry Spence as the defense attorney.

[Gatordog]

Well put! I think most of us are in total agreement. When you think back to the begining of this case there is just too much evidence. Makes you wonder why JB is even sticking with it. I mean common sense tells everyone there is no way CA could be innocent. And then looking at her parents.... IMO they are just as bad as her. Anyone who covers up for a murderer is just as bad IMO.

I guess I see this case as a challenge for the talents of a defense attorney. The way to get her off would be on technicalities and having evidence thrown out. A top notch attorney would be challenging as much of the evidence and statements made by the liar so that they are thrown out. I think the only chance the defense has is to discredit witness and have evidence omitted. Only a good defense attorney with years of experience can do this, or an exceptionally bright young attorney. :D

[applesandorange]

I guess I see this case as a challenge for the talents of a defense attorney. The way to get her off would be on technicalities and having evidence thrown out. A top notch attorney would be challenging as much of the evidence and statements made by the liar so that they are thrown out. I think the only chance the defense has is to discredit witness and have evidence omitted. Only a good defense attorney with years of experience can do this, or an exceptionally bright young attorney. :D


You're right! Caseys already dead. Her defense can do nothing to save her. They're just not that talented. And you know what? I'm okay with that :D

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess I see this case as a challenge for the talents of a defense attorney. The way to get her off would be on technicalities and having evidence thrown out. A top notch attorney would be challenging as much of the evidence and statements made by the liar so that they are thrown out. I think the only chance the defense has is to discredit witness and have evidence omitted. Only a good defense attorney with years of experience can do this, or an exceptionally bright young attorney. :D

I guess that's why LKB is on board.

And hey! Maybe Henry Lee can work a little magic for the prosecution too!

[Justice Denied?]

Weird. Lee Anthony's attorney just quit, says Lee no longer needs an attorney :shrug:

http://www.wesh.com/news/20222439/detail.html

I am still way behind and was hoping someone could help me. When and why is Lee being granted immunity? What is meant by "use immunity? Is he going to be a prosecution witness? Any word yet on when George will be deposed?

Any guesses on hy this is being kept so quiet and the press are not over it? Is it possible that they are tring to quite all the publicity down in hopes of avoiding a change of venue.

Now a commment: I am not suppried that Baez has been hiding evidence. It's my guess that, with the way he keeps goofing up, Kaycie will be lucky if he is still on her case when it goes to court.

all IMO, JMO.

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks so much for the links today! Still playing catch up. And it's kinda hard to do when your internet connection is intermittent, and more off than on. Can't they get up here with something more effective than bubblegum to repair my link to The Real World?!?!

Re: ISP connection Have you tried using a bobby pin or duct tape? LOL

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks so much for the links today! Still playing catch up. And it's kinda hard to do when your internet connection is intermittent, and more off than on. Can't they get up here with something more effective than bubblegum to repair my link to The Real World?!?!

Re: ISP connection Have you tried using a bobby pin or duct tape? Maybe that is why CA chews so much gum. She uses it for repairs around the house. Oe sdoes she just have bad breath from having to eat her words?

[lorettalockhorn]

I am still way behind and was hoping someone could help me. When and why is Lee being granted immunity? What is meant by "use immunity? Is he going to be a prosecution witness? Any word yet on when George will be deposed?

Any guesses on hy this is being kept so quiet and the press are not over it? Is it possible that they are tring to quite all the publicity down in hopes of avoiding a change of venue.

Now a commment: I am not suppried that Baez has been hiding evidence. It's my guess that, with the way he keeps goofing up, Kaycie will be lucky if he is still on her case when it goes to court.

all IMO, JMO.

My interpretation of the article that BoB linked, is that the immunity was granted at the time Lee gave testimony to the prosecution.

Use immunity
Definition
: immunity granted to a witness in a criminal case that prevents the use of the witness's compelled testimony against that witness in a criminal prosecution
Transactional and use immunity are granted to preserve the constitutional protection against self-incrimination. The states grant either form of this immunity, while the federal government grants only use immunity. A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
2 : a usu. statutory prohibition that excludes specific documents or information from discovery

http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/use-immunity.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Re: ISP connection Have you tried using a bobby pin or duct tape? Maybe that is why CA chews so much gum. She uses it for repairs around the house. Oe sdoes she just have bad breath from having to eat her words?

LMAO Conway did claim that G&C were having computer problems. Guess she smacked enough gum to get that printer back in service!

[Justice Denied?]

You know, if the time ever comes when I have trials and depositions and stuff, I'm going to act like this and cite precedent from State of Florida vs. Anthony. How do you think that'll work out for me?

Let's just say we will miss you while you are serving your time. LOL

[Justice Denied?]

Oy! I surely do think Miss Casey is guilty. My opines of G&C...where to start and where to finish? G seemed like a decent fella' at the beginning but somewhere he has lost his way. I feel he had a part in cleaning out the car that Casey was using and may have tainted evidence there but then he seemed sincere in his statement to the officers and when he testified before the grand jury even though it put Casey in a bad light. Cindy, however, I believe knew from the get go what truly happened to Caylee and I believe she washed those pants in Casey's car purposefully. From then on, she tried in every way she could to make everyone else think Casey was innocent. With all that has happened since last July 2008, I have come to really question how human beings can be so odd. Evidence staring them in the face, public opinion and outcry, her daughter's stories torn apart and shown to be lies...yet they go on proclaiming her innocent. They produce nothing that stands up as concrete evidence to prove otherwise. I truly don't understand this couple nor their family. So, in the end, "what goes around, comes around" and I think they'll get their comeuppance for anything they have done that's wrong. :shrug:

Nothing new here that yous haven't already covered!

I have always wondered exactly when and where G & C changed their stories and why. To me, it appeared to be approximately the time she came out of the jail the first time. I've always wondered if Casey was blackmailing them in some way like maybe revealing a secret or something like that. At that time I thought Lee might be Caylee's dad but that got shot out of the water. Now I don't know what it could be unless it is their involvment. I sometime think they know the whole truth and that is why it is difficult for them to lie and why they sound so rediculous. Anyone else have an opinion?

[Justice Denied?]

Well put! I think most of us are in total agreement. When you think back to the begining of this case there is just too much evidence. Makes you wonder why JB is even sticking with it. I mean common sense tells everyone there is no way CA could be innocent. And then looking at her parents.... IMO they are just as bad as her. Anyone who covers up for a murderer is just as bad IMO.

Exactly! Especially the murder of their supposed beloved granddaughter.

[Justice Denied?]

My interpretation of the article that BoB linked, is that the immunity was granted at the time Lee gave testimony to the prosecution.

Use immunity
Definition
: immunity granted to a witness in a criminal case that prevents the use of the witness's compelled testimony against that witness in a criminal prosecution
Transactional and use immunity are granted to preserve the constitutional protection against self-incrimination. The states grant either form of this immunity, while the federal government grants only use immunity. A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
2 : a usu. statutory prohibition that excludes specific documents or information from discovery

http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/use-immunity.html

Thanks, Loretta. That cleared up a lot of confusion in my mind.

[beemer]

Hi JD:seeya: I am of the mindset G&C probably had a bad feeling when Liar would not let them talk to Caylee etc-when Liar was out road trippin with Zanny and work:D I think C knew and G knew something had gone horribly wrong when they smelled the smell. I believe they know and have known from the get go. They believe Liar cuz they want to. It saves them from looking at themselves. That seems important to them-especially C. Their actions from then on spell out exactly who they really are:eek:

[BeastofBears]

Let's just say we will miss you while you are serving your time. LOL

http://i27.tinypic.com/28hmrfs.png
I'm innocent, I tells ya!!!!!

[BeastofBears]

My interpretation of the article that BoB linked, is that the immunity was granted at the time Lee gave testimony to the prosecution.

Use immunity
Definition
: immunity granted to a witness in a criminal case that prevents the use of the witness's compelled testimony against that witness in a criminal prosecution
Transactional and use immunity are granted to preserve the constitutional protection against self-incrimination. The states grant either form of this immunity, while the federal government grants only use immunity. A witness with use immunity may still be prosecuted, but only based on evidence not gathered from the protected testimony.
2 : a usu. statutory prohibition that excludes specific documents or information from discovery

http://research.lawyers.com/glossary/use-immunity.html

You know what would be smart for anyone testifying under this law...to list out every bit of incriminating evidence of any kind in the depo, including the kitchen sink. Heck, list things that aren't incriminating. List every item in your house, garage, or car. Put the burden on the state to prove they would have found it anyway, lol! How come criminals aren't as smart as me?

[applesandorange]

You know what would be smart for anyone testifying under this law...to list out every bit of incriminating evidence of any kind in the depo, including the kitchen sink. Heck, list things that aren't incriminating. List every item in your house, garage, or car. Put the burden on the state to prove they would have found it anyway, lol! How come criminals aren't as smart as me?


Because if criminals were as smart as you they'd never be charged ;):D

[beemer]

You know what would be smart for anyone testifying under this law...to list out every bit of incriminating evidence of any kind in the depo, including the kitchen sink. Heck, list things that aren't incriminating. List every item in your house, garage, or car. Put the burden on the state to prove they would have found it anyway, lol! How come criminals aren't as smart as me?

Bob-then they would never get caught:D I luv the pic of the bear LOL-I'll bring bail monies:beer: Yep i would:beer:

[beemer]

Ha too funny A&O-we posted same thought at same time:beer:

[BeastofBears]

Bob-then they would never get caught:D I luv the pic of the bear LOL-I'll bring bail monies:beer: Yep i would:beer:

Coming from you that means something! I think maybe you are more discerning than Padilla!

[BeastofBears]

You know what would be smart for anyone testifying under this law...to list out every bit of incriminating evidence of any kind in the depo, including the kitchen sink. Heck, list things that aren't incriminating. List every item in your house, garage, or car. Put the burden on the state to prove they would have found it anyway, lol! How come criminals aren't as smart as me?


Because if criminals were as smart as you they'd never be charged ;):D

*sigh* I know crime doesn't pay...but how do I make a lack of crime pay?

[deacon]

[QUOTE=applesandorange;9208867]

*sigh* I know crime doesn't pay...but how do I make a lack of crime pay?

It has its own rewards.

[BeastofBears]

[QUOTE=BeastofBears;9208881]

It has its own rewards.

Clean hands and an empty purse right here, lol!

[deacon]

[QUOTE=deacon;9208884]

Clean hands and an empty purse right here, lol!

And a clean heart.:D

[lorettalockhorn]

Coming from you that means something! I think maybe you are more discerning than Padilla!

Man. Talk about a left-handed compliment!!

[applesandorange]

Ha too funny A&O-we posted same thought at same time:beer:


IIRC we have a habit of doing that lol. You know what they say about great minds :beer:

[beemer]

IIRC we have a habit of doing that lol. You know what they say about great minds :beer:

For sure:beer:

[Wagsy]

I would describe us as the best poster blogger people with really big hearts and very rich lives;) Cindy would never believe us tho. Yeah those were Cindy's words. So.... I guess we are to surmise she doesn't think any of us are 10's:D

All anyone has to do is look at all the cute avatars and there will be no doubt as to whether we are 10's or not!

Good luck with your exam wags-you will do well :seeya:

Thanks, I'll need a lot of luck and studying.

[Wagsy]

I guess I see this case as a challenge for the talents of a defense attorney. The way to get her off would be on technicalities and having evidence thrown out. A top notch attorney would be challenging as much of the evidence and statements made by the liar so that they are thrown out. I think the only chance the defense has is to discredit witness and have evidence omitted. Only a good defense attorney with years of experience can do this, or an exceptionally bright young attorney. :D

Gator, for goodness sake -- you're letting the defense know how to put up an intelligent case for their client! :punch: So, instead, I'm nominating you to be that exceptionally bright young attorney. :D You've talked your way into this one with such excellent logic...:tongue:

[Wagsy]

You know what would be smart for anyone testifying under this law...to list out every bit of incriminating evidence of any kind in the depo, including the kitchen sink. Heck, list things that aren't incriminating. List every item in your house, garage, or car. Put the burden on the state to prove they would have found it anyway, lol! How come criminals aren't as smart as me?

Awright! Now you're nominated to assist Gator as the two new young brilliant attorneys for CA. Yous are running circles around Bozo and his gang. :hat: See, if you'ns wasn't so smart and logical in you're thinking, you wouldn't be in this position!! ;)

[Wagsy]

Bob-then they would never get caught:D I luv the pic of the bear LOL-I'll bring bail monies:beer: Yep i would:beer:

Beem - me thinks you must be rich (bringing the bail monies) and slightly tipsy from all the :beer:s you are always sharing!!! :tongue: Are you gonna spread that wealth around and share with the A's? hehehehhe

[Wagsy]

[QUOTE=BeastofBears;9208886]

And a clean heart.:D

I'll add a clean conscience to it too. You're squeaky clean! :)

[BeastofBears]

Awright! Now you're nominated to assist Gator as the two new young brilliant attorneys for CA. Yous are running circles around Bozo and his gang. :hat: See, if you'ns wasn't so smart and logical in you're thinking, you wouldn't be in this position!! ;)

My advice might only help an accomplice...I suspect that once you tell the police your daughter was missing for 31 days and you didn't call them...they can prove that ANYTHING and everything would have eventually been discovered, heehee...

So Gator can be lonely on her new precipice...

[SaraSidle]

My advice might only help an accomplice...I suspect that once you tell the police your daughter was missing for 31 days and you didn't call them...they can prove that ANYTHING and everything would have eventually been discovered, heehee...

So Gator can be lonely on her new precipice...

not too mention you are too "clean" for it anyway now. sara :seeya:

[Wagsy]

My advice might only help an accomplice...I suspect that once you tell the police your daughter was missing for 31 days and you didn't call them...they can prove that ANYTHING and everything would have eventually been discovered, heehee...

So Gator can be lonely on her new precipice...

Poor Gator...she's out there in her 'situation of great peril' all alone and she's probably asleep as we post and blissfully unaware of where we've put her. I have a feeling if I get time to check in tomorrow, she'll have a good comeback that will get herself safely off that precipice! :) So, it looks like no ones going to come to the rescue of that poor Liar who is Gorgeous and obviously not guilty according to her parents. :( I'm not going to!! :tongue:

[Wagsy]

not too mention you are too "clean" for it anyway now. sara :seeya:

Too true Sara. To be included in that gang you have to be tainted or dirty in some way. IMO

[beemer]

Beem - me thinks you must be rich (bringing the bail monies) and slightly tipsy from all the :beer:s you are always sharing!!! :tongue: Are you gonna spread that wealth around and share with the A's? hehehehhe

They would never wanna experience what i would luv to share with them-especially Liar:D:beer: I like the beer guys:shrug:

[Nawny]

Awright! Now you're nominated to assist Gator as the two new young brilliant attorneys for CA. Yous are running circles around Bozo and his gang. :hat: See, if you'ns wasn't so smart and logical in you're thinking, you wouldn't be in this position!! ;)

I'm so glad you decided to join us and finally post. You are such a good addition to this clan of fine detectives, lawyers and golden girls! I love this place and this group because there is no negative, no attacks and we all hate the liar and her cluster fck of a family. Like BoB says, Caylee shouldn't be dead. Let's stay in touch so the trial can be analyzed here with us. You got the goods on the liar real fine. :) I'm thinking the stupid team players are underground for a slew of reasons and none of them are good.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Bozo. I've been the recipient of liars and they are so believable. I get that when they talk, we are unable to detect the lies because we are not capable of lying that way. In this case there are so many facts that negate her stories. I am proud of the judge who knew she and the truth were strangers. I guess he's met the lies many times. Good on him!



That liar is not going to get off the hook..but the trial should be a real fine play.

IMO.

[BeastofBears]

It's sad. My son was born just a few weeks apart from Caylee, so when the news broke they were like at the same point developmentally. But now, I see him advancing and changing, and she never will. I wonder if her killer will ever realize what she has truly lost? :(

[Gatordog]

Gator, for goodness sake -- you're letting the defense know how to put up an intelligent case for their client! :punch: So, instead, I'm nominating you to be that exceptionally bright young attorney. :D You've talked your way into this one with such excellent logic...:tongue:

Hi Wags, as for being young, that ship has sailed. ;)

These attorneys all have big egos and I don't see any of them working together in unison with Baez. There are too many cooks in that kitchen. I hope they all end up embarrassed in the trial.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Poor Gator...she's out there in her 'situation of great peril' all alone and she's probably asleep as we post and blissfully unaware of where we've put her. I have a feeling if I get time to check in tomorrow, she'll have a good comeback that will get herself safely off that precipice! :) So, it looks like no ones going to come to the rescue of that poor Liar who is Gorgeous and obviously not guilty according to her parents. :( I'm not going to!! :tongue:

Holy Mackeral what a mess I've gotten myself into - defending the Liar. :eek:

Good thing I have new niece and nephew in-laws who are criminal attorneys. One for the state and one for the defense. :no: So, I will have to think up how I would go about defending this Piece of S**t.

First thing, tell her to shut up. I can't defend what I know to be a lie, which is probably everything other than her name. Second, I would investigate G&C and their past problems. Third, I would get her mentally evaluated by a forensic psychiatrist of my choosing not the state's. Then, I would claim that she has been a victim of a controlling mother all her life. I would say that she herself stated that she was "petrified of her mother". I would claim that my client has had to manufacture a life for herself that her mother would approve and lost herself in the lies. I would try to get all her statement to the police thrown out saying she was in a confused state with her mother present and didn't know what she was saying. Then I would claim that her fear of her mother's threats to take Caylee away caused her to go into a fugue state and from there on she has no actual memory until she saw Cindy 31 days later. I would say that Caylee died in an accident as a resulf of the fight between Grandmother and mother. I would claim that they had no where to go and didn't want Cindy to know they were in the yard so the Liar covered Caylee's mouth with tape so she would be quiet and she accidentally smothered. After that, not much memory and then as a safety mechanism her psyche didn't admit that Caylee was dead and she became the fake person she always led her mother to believe was true. If she hadn't been dominated all her life and forced to live lies, she would be a happily married young mother and wife. Instead nothing she did was good enough for her mother, the man she fell in love with wasn't good enough, her child wasn't good enough, no job was good enough, she was not good enough. Everything was a competition and my client always lost so she started to live a fake life that was acceptable.

I would also stipulate to the majority of the forensice findings since they really don't prove anything other than Caylee's bones were found. I would try to keep the jury from hearing the evidence over and over by agreeing to it once and be done with it. I would say it doesn't prove murder or anything other than accidental death. The crime was in not reporting a death (out of fear). The defense rests.

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Today is Georgie's day for deposition.

Sunday would have been Caylee's fourth birthday. :rose:

Gator

[BeastofBears]

Holy Mackeral what a mess I've gotten myself into - defending the Liar. :eek:

Good thing I have new niece and nephew in-laws who are criminal attorneys. One for the state and one for the defense. :no: So, I will have to think up how I would go about defending this Piece of S**t.

First thing, tell her to shut up. I can't defend what I know to be a lie, which is probably everything other than her name. Second, I would investigate G&C and their past problems. Third, I would get her mentally evaluated by a forensic psychiatrist of my choosing not the state's. Then, I would claim that she has been a victim of a controlling mother all her life. I would say that she herself stated that she was "petrified of her mother". I would claim that my client has had to manufacture a life for herself that her mother would approve and lost herself in the lies. I would try to get all her statement to the police thrown out saying she was in a confused state with her mother present and didn't know what she was saying. Then I would claim that her fear of her mother's threats to take Caylee away caused her to go into a fugue state and from there on she has no actual memory until she saw Cindy 31 days later. I would say that Caylee died in an accident as a resulf of the fight between Grandmother and mother. I would claim that they had no where to go and didn't want Cindy to know they were in the yard so the Liar covered Caylee's mouth with tape so she would be quiet and she accidentally smothered. After that, not much memory and then as a safety mechanism her psyche didn't admit that Caylee was dead and she became the fake person she always led her mother to believe was true. If she hadn't been dominated all her life and forced to live lies, she would be a happily married young mother and wife. Instead nothing she did was good enough for her mother, the man she fell in love with wasn't good enough, her child wasn't good enough, no job was good enough, she was not good enough. Everything was a competition and my client always lost so she started to live a fake life that was acceptable.

I would also stipulate to the majority of the forensice findings since they really don't prove anything other than Caylee's bones were found. I would try to keep the jury from hearing the evidence over and over by agreeing to it once and be done with it. I would say it doesn't prove murder or anything other than accidental death. The crime was in not reporting a death (out of fear). The defense rests.

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Gator

Do you think the defense will have either the guts or brains to try this?

This is the moment I would love to see on the stand, yes, with Casey on the stand. "We agreed I would take the blame thinking no one would believe I would intentionally hurt Caylee." Do I think that happened? No. But I feel the defense is going in that direction...

just imo.

[Gatordog]

Holy cr*p. Wait till you see how George arrived for his depostion.

Yoo Hoo, Loretta........you gotta see this.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

[Gatordog]

Do you think the defense will have either the guts or brains to try this?

This is the moment I would love to see on the stand, yes, with Casey on the stand. "We agreed I would take the blame thinking no one would believe I would intentionally hurt Caylee." Do I think that happened? No. But I feel the defense is going in that direction...

just imo.

Oh yeah. Definitely. I think the only option is to agree that there was a death, just try to either pin it on someone else or try to get a manslaughter verdict.

[BeastofBears]

Oh yeah. Definitely. I think the only option is to agree that there was a death, just try to either pin it on someone else or try to get a manslaughter verdict.

I wonder if the waters can get so muddied the jury will be too confused to have anything but reasonable doubt no matter what.

[deacon]

Holy cr*p. Wait till you see how George arrived for his depostion.

Yoo Hoo, Loretta........you gotta see this.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

If that ain't class there ain't a dog in Georgia! He made anassofhimselfincourt.

[beemer]

If that ain't class there ain't a dog in Georgia! He made anassofhimselfincourt.

Haaa Haaa-now that was something. I viewed both Bozo and G arriving. Holy shamolly that is pretty relaxed court attire:confused: G looks like he is ready to dash out on the assonthething after his depo-good gawd even sandals:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Holy cr*p. Wait till you see how George arrived for his depostion.

Yoo Hoo, Loretta........you gotta see this.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

Thanks for the link! I see it's casual Wednesday. :rolleyes:

Okay, I noticed that the caption reads: Anthonys' attorney. As in all the Ants? If it was referring to Casey only, it should have read Anthony's attorney. What does this mean? Or am I being the grammar/spelling/usage police?

[lorettalockhorn]

Haaa Haaa-now that was something. I viewed both Bozo and G arriving. Holy shamolly that is pretty relaxed court attire:confused: G looks like he is ready to dash out on the assonthething after his depo-good gawd even sandals:eek:

UGH Mandals. Oughta be a law. :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

Holy Mackeral what a mess I've gotten myself into - defending the Liar. :eek:

Good thing I have new niece and nephew in-laws who are criminal attorneys. One for the state and one for the defense. :no: So, I will have to think up how I would go about defending this Piece of S**t.

First thing, tell her to shut up. I can't defend what I know to be a lie, which is probably everything other than her name. Second, I would investigate G&C and their past problems. Third, I would get her mentally evaluated by a forensic psychiatrist of my choosing not the state's. Then, I would claim that she has been a victim of a controlling mother all her life. I would say that she herself stated that she was "petrified of her mother". I would claim that my client has had to manufacture a life for herself that her mother would approve and lost herself in the lies. I would try to get all her statement to the police thrown out saying she was in a confused state with her mother present and didn't know what she was saying. Then I would claim that her fear of her mother's threats to take Caylee away caused her to go into a fugue state and from there on she has no actual memory until she saw Cindy 31 days later. I would say that Caylee died in an accident as a resulf of the fight between Grandmother and mother. I would claim that they had no where to go and didn't want Cindy to know they were in the yard so the Liar covered Caylee's mouth with tape so she would be quiet and she accidentally smothered. After that, not much memory and then as a safety mechanism her psyche didn't admit that Caylee was dead and she became the fake person she always led her mother to believe was true. If she hadn't been dominated all her life and forced to live lies, she would be a happily married young mother and wife. Instead nothing she did was good enough for her mother, the man she fell in love with wasn't good enough, her child wasn't good enough, no job was good enough, she was not good enough. Everything was a competition and my client always lost so she started to live a fake life that was acceptable.

I would also stipulate to the majority of the forensice findings since they really don't prove anything other than Caylee's bones were found. I would try to keep the jury from hearing the evidence over and over by agreeing to it once and be done with it. I would say it doesn't prove murder or anything other than accidental death. The crime was in not reporting a death (out of fear). The defense rests.

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Gator

Great post!

Go ahead and wash your mouth out with soap just cause.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did anyone happen to see the Forensic Files episode Bagging a Killer last night? Really good episode that dealt with a child's death, but one thing that really caught my attention was that the father/murderer knew in picayune detail what his daughter was wearing when she disappeared, and the reason was that he was the one who had dressed her. I instantly thought of George.

[beemer]

UGH Mandals. Oughta be a law. :cuss:

They must relax the dress code in the summer heat:shrug: I always wondered if it was a rebellion/statement with the Ants-especially C in her jeans at the depo. Now Bozo dressing so casual. Maybe Bozo and G are gonna take a little go around on the assonthething :D

[lorettalockhorn]

They must relax the dress code in the summer heat:shrug: I always wondered if it was a rebellion/statement with the Ants-especially C in her jeans at the depo. Now Bozo dressing so casual. Maybe Bozo and G are gonna take a little go around on the assonthething :D

Is that boat big enough for both their egos?!

[Gatordog]

They must relax the dress code in the summer heat:shrug: I always wondered if it was a rebellion/statement with the Ants-especially C in her jeans at the depo. Now Bozo dressing so casual. Maybe Bozo and G are gonna take a little go around on the assonthething :D

This was no relaxed dress code. We have cotton and linen slacks and shirts. The buildings are all air conditioned. I hope he freezes his azz off. This was a slap in the face to the state attorneys. IMO proper attire would be office casual at a minumum. We are not allowed to wear jeans, tees, tanks, sneakers, polos and men cannot wear sandals or go without socks.

I wish Old Soul was here to post her pic of G & C relaxing on the Assonthething.

Gator

[JLette]

It's sad. My son was born just a few weeks apart from Caylee, so when the news broke they were like at the same point developmentally. But now, I see him advancing and changing, and she never will. I wonder if her killer will ever realize what she has truly lost? :(

BoB that is what got me right in my heart when this all first started. less than a month seperated caylee and my son in age.

unfortunately i think casey IS sorry that caylee is gone, but only because her ticket to a free ride went with her. i don't believe she ever felt real feelings for that girl

[Justice Denied?]

I wonder if the waters can get so muddied the jury will be too confused to have anything but reasonable doubt no matter what.

That is what I worry about. There is so much info. As we were discussing earlier, how do decide what to keep and what to dispose of. If you keep going on and on, you end up with a bunch of glassy eyed jurors who aren't even comprehending what you are saying. They are just wanting it to be over.

This is a difficult case anyway since they have no cause of death, do not know the time, location etc. I keep thinking they can't even prove Casey was even in the county at the time Kaylee was killed.

This case needs to be presented in a very concise, tight and quick manner or we'll have another OJ. Who is the lead prosecutor and who is assisting? Do we know anything about them?

Re: George's attire. I realize that it is FL in the summer time and the depo is being held in the DA's office. I know it's not court. He could at least try for business casual. George gives the impression they are interrupting his more important leisure activities.

All the above is JMO, MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

This was no relaxed dress code. We have cotton and linen slacks and shirts. The buildings are all air conditioned. I hope he freezes his azz off. This was a slap in the face to the state attorneys. IMO proper attire would be office casual at a minumum. We are not allowed to wear jeans, tees, tanks, sneakers, polos and men cannot wear sandals or go without socks.

I wish Old Soul was here to post her pic of G & C relaxing on the Assonthething.

Gator

Searched OS's posts and didn't find the AOTT, but I did see that she hasn't been here in almost a month. Hope she's A-OK!

[SaraSidle]

It's sad. My son was born just a few weeks apart from Caylee, so when the news broke they were like at the same point developmentally. But now, I see him advancing and changing, and she never will. I wonder if her killer will ever realize what she has truly lost? :(

sorry to say Bob but in my opinion they really arent thinking about that. I do. I have a 3 yr old niece and my DH and I would do anything to keep her safe. All of our nieces and nephews. It is not fathomable to look at our loved ones and imagine Casey doing something like that to hers. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

Do you think the defense will have either the guts or brains to try this?

This is the moment I would love to see on the stand, yes, with Casey on the stand. "We agreed I would take the blame thinking no one would believe I would intentionally hurt Caylee." Do I think that happened? No. But I feel the defense is going in that direction...

just imo.

You know bob I was thinking that also. It would be the closest they could come to mental defect but I am sure there are some specialists out there the prosecutor as already line up to say "that theory holds no water". IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

That is what I worry about. There is so much info. As we were discussing earlier, how do decide what to keep and what to dispose of. If you keep going on and on, you end up with a bunch of glassy eyed jurors who aren't even comprehending what you are saying. They are just wanting it to be over.

This is a difficult case anyway since they have no cause of death, do not know the time, location etc. I keep thinking they can't even prove Casey was even in the county at the time Kaylee was killed.

This case needs to be presented in a very concise, tight and quick manner or we'll have another OJ. Who is the lead prosecutor and who is assisting? Do we know anything about them?

Re: George's attire. I realize that it is FL in the summer time and the depo is being held in the DA's office. I know it's not court. He could at least try for business casual. George gives the impression they are interrupting his more important leisure activities.

All the above is JMO, MOO

Even if the jury is lulled into a coma with all the forensics (and ensuing arguments about what they mean), they will surely never forget the first thing; Caylee was missing 31 days before Casey was forced to report the "kidnapping". And her addiction to her cell phone puts her right smack dab in Orange Coundy and pretty much proves that Zanny never existed. Add that to the fact that G&C are flip flopping like dead fish on the deck of the AOOT and lying like big dogs to protect her is probably going to indicate that even Mommy and Daddy think she's guilty. Reasonable doubt doesn't stand a chance in light of the circumstantial evidence.

Of course, we've only heard the prosecution's side o this. We may be totally wowed by The Firm.

[SaraSidle]

Holy cr*p. Wait till you see how George arrived for his depostion.

Yoo Hoo, Loretta........you gotta see this.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

Gator what am I missing? All I saw was Baez in a fancy white shirt. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Gator what am I missing? All I saw was Baez in a fancy white shirt. sara

Sara, try this one:

http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html

This isn't the entire vid that I saw this morning, but I found it linked on the homepage at WFTV.

Duh me, here it is:

http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html

(I think.)

Well, duh. Those are the same. Just go to that page and chose which vid you want to watch. There are two featuring George.

[SaraSidle]

Gator what am I missing? All I saw was Baez in a fancy white shirt. sara

whoa never mind I found it :punch: nice shorts too. sara

[shadydaisy]

People don't realise that not everything is on the 'net, and even if it is, a single article from a medical journal can cost, $30, $60 or more to read (and get a pdf copy of).

That's why they still need libraries, so they can go in and read them there for free. Like books.
Even the guide to nursing literature, CINHAL, is pay per view unless you go into a friendly library that has a subscription!

End of public service annoucement. It's 23.45 and I gotta get some shut-eye!

I still like the feel of the library. I go, even though I don't really have to, and just look around. I always find some book to take out that I wouldn't have known existed if I hadn't stumbled on it.

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Oh Gator - It was worth it, wasn't it. I'll pitch in a couple rosaries your way. Is there a praying smilie anywhere?

[Amy]

I'm so glad you decided to join us and finally post. You are such a good addition to this clan of fine detectives, lawyers and golden girls! I love this place and this group because there is no negative, no attacks and we all hate the liar and her cluster fck of a family. Like BoB says, Caylee shouldn't be dead. Let's stay in touch so the trial can be analyzed here with us. You got the goods on the liar real fine. :) I'm thinking the stupid team players are underground for a slew of reasons and none of them are good.

Sometimes I feel sorry for Bozo. I've been the recipient of liars and they are so believable. I get that when they talk, we are unable to detect the lies because we are not capable of lying that way. In this case there are so many facts that negate her stories. I am proud of the judge who knew she and the truth were strangers. I guess he's met the lies many times. Good on him!



That liar is not going to get off the hook..but the trial should be a real fine play.

IMO.

Bolding mine.

I second that emotion!!!! Plus, I am learning a whole new language here--but I'm not real sure the meaning of some of those Italian words being bandied about--and haven't actually used them in a RL conversation, but I'm working my way up to it!!!! PLUS, if I cooked, there's a whole new world of recipes over on the anything board I could be using!!!! Yep, this is a fine, fine place, with some mighty fine, fine people!!!!

I would think that, once the evidence (oh, sorry Brad, that would be discovery) started showing up in the docs given to the defense, that even Jose would, by now, see the writing on the wall. I guess he has to keep up the innocence posture for show, but if he actually presents her defense as something so stupid as the nanny theory, and then have to try to convince the jury that the nanny is actually one of Casey's innocent friends---he's gonna look as foolish as Geragos did in many people's opinion.

[Amy]

Holy Mackeral what a mess I've gotten myself into - defending the Liar. :eek:

Good thing I have new niece and nephew in-laws who are criminal attorneys. One for the state and one for the defense. :no: So, I will have to think up how I would go about defending this Piece of S**t.

First thing, tell her to shut up. I can't defend what I know to be a lie, which is probably everything other than her name. Second, I would investigate G&C and their past problems. Third, I would get her mentally evaluated by a forensic psychiatrist of my choosing not the state's. Then, I would claim that she has been a victim of a controlling mother all her life. I would say that she herself stated that she was "petrified of her mother". I would claim that my client has had to manufacture a life for herself that her mother would approve and lost herself in the lies. I would try to get all her statement to the police thrown out saying she was in a confused state with her mother present and didn't know what she was saying. Then I would claim that her fear of her mother's threats to take Caylee away caused her to go into a fugue state and from there on she has no actual memory until she saw Cindy 31 days later. I would say that Caylee died in an accident as a resulf of the fight between Grandmother and mother. I would claim that they had no where to go and didn't want Cindy to know they were in the yard so the Liar covered Caylee's mouth with tape so she would be quiet and she accidentally smothered. After that, not much memory and then as a safety mechanism her psyche didn't admit that Caylee was dead and she became the fake person she always led her mother to believe was true. If she hadn't been dominated all her life and forced to live lies, she would be a happily married young mother and wife. Instead nothing she did was good enough for her mother, the man she fell in love with wasn't good enough, her child wasn't good enough, no job was good enough, she was not good enough. Everything was a competition and my client always lost so she started to live a fake life that was acceptable.

I would also stipulate to the majority of the forensice findings since they really don't prove anything other than Caylee's bones were found. I would try to keep the jury from hearing the evidence over and over by agreeing to it once and be done with it. I would say it doesn't prove murder or anything other than accidental death. The crime was in not reporting a death (out of fear). The defense rests.

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Gator

Oh, geeze, I hope this is one thread Cindy doesn't go reading!!! Or, George or Lee or any of the "worker bees" in "THE LAW OFFICE" so they can't get any freaking ideas!!! One little thing wouldn't work so well--I think most of her conversations with LE, and for sure with the detectives were without Cindy being there. So, she has to stand alone on that, I think.

NOW, go wash your mouth out with soap and get going on saying those rosaries. How long you think that will take? Will you be thru in time to be back on the board yet today? ;)

[Amy]

Holy cr*p. Wait till you see how George arrived for his depostion.

Yoo Hoo, Loretta........you gotta see this.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

Jose was actually making intelligent remarks. And, for all that George was dressed down, or whatever that garb was, he was calm and talkative and didn't really make any outlandish statements. But, of course, both of them make sure to get in digs about the civil depos--the state depos are dignified. I;m guessing neither of them have come to terms with the reason the civil depo was a big circus was because of the actions of George and Cindy, it had nothing to do with the lawyers doing the depo!!!! :shrug:

[deacon]

BoB that is what got me right in my heart when this all first started. less than a month seperated caylee and my son in age.

unfortunately i think casey IS sorry that caylee is gone, but only because her ticket to a free ride went with her. i don't believe she ever felt real feelings for that girl

IMO, the only sorrow scasey feels is sorrow she got caught. Nothing more.

[Amy]

They must relax the dress code in the summer heat:shrug: I always wondered if it was a rebellion/statement with the Ants-especially C in her jeans at the depo. Now Bozo dressing so casual. Maybe Bozo and G are gonna take a little go around on the assonthething :D

I think that first day, she and Jose both were dressed for court, but Brad was wearing blue jeans. And the next day Cindy and Jose both relaxed pretty much. I can't remember for sure, but I think Luka was in a suit when Lee went in, but Lee was in his beach bum mode--forgetting to shave and all. At least he was wearing jeans. George was a little over the top, IMO. @ least Jose had on britches and not bermuda shorts!!!! Wonder how Brad was dressed when he "rolled in" after his early morning commitments?

[deacon]

That is what I worry about. There is so much info. As we were discussing earlier, how do decide what to keep and what to dispose of. If you keep going on and on, you end up with a bunch of glassy eyed jurors who aren't even comprehending what you are saying. They are just wanting it to be over.

This is a difficult case anyway since they have no cause of death, do not know the time, location etc. I keep thinking they can't even prove Casey was even in the county at the time Kaylee was killed.

This case needs to be presented in a very concise, tight and quick manner or we'll have another OJ. Who is the lead prosecutor and who is assisting? Do we know anything about them?

Re: George's attire. I realize that it is FL in the summer time and the depo is being held in the DA's office. I know it's not court. He could at least try for business casual. George gives the impression they are interrupting his more important leisure activities.

All the above is JMO, MOO

That IMO was just a lack of class. Total lack of class. Sloppy, disrespectful, classless crap. But I would not expect any more.

[Amy]

BoB that is what got me right in my heart when this all first started. less than a month seperated caylee and my son in age.

unfortunately i think casey IS sorry that caylee is gone, but only because her ticket to a free ride went with her. i don't believe she ever felt real feelings for that girl

I think that she's only sorry because the end result wasn't exactly what she was striving for. For sure, she's free of the responsibility of motherhood, but that is the only freedom in her corner today. I'm betting she was envisioning freedom to dance when she wanted, go where and when she wanted, try to live off whatever fellow she can glom onto for the moment, before he realizes she just wants a meal and party ticket. IMO

[Gatordog]

Gator what am I missing? All I saw was Baez in a fancy white shirt. sara

Sorry Sara, try this one

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

[Gatordog]

Reported tonight on WFTV by Kathi Belich

George, Cindy, Brad Conway and Dominck casey all went to NYC and met with Simon and Schuster regarding a book deal.

The caylee foundation received its 5013c status this year so it won't be until next year that we learn where the money is going.

Gator

[deacon]

Reported tonight on WFTV by Kathi Belich

George, Cindy, Brad Conway and Dominck casey all went to NYC and met with Simon and Schuster regarding a book deal.

The caylee foundation received its 5013c status this year so it won't be until next year that we learn where the money is going.

Gator

Like I said above, total lack of class.

[lorettalockhorn]

Reported tonight on WFTV by Kathi Belich

George, Cindy, Brad Conway and Dominck casey all went to NYC and met with Simon and Schuster regarding a book deal.

The caylee foundation received its 5013c status this year so it won't be until next year that we learn where the money is going.

Gator

Thanks for the heads up, this is a really good article:

...he talked with Eyewitness News about facing prosecutors' questions under oath.

"Hopefully I keep the emotion in check and do the best I can. I can't guarantee what's gonna happen when I get up there," George said Wednesday morning before being questioned (watch interview).

George was carrying what appeared to be transcripts of his prior statements. He said he brought them to refresh his memory.

"Little things just to help, 'cause after a while all of us tend to forget some things after a while," he said.

If the former law enforcement officer contradicts what he most likely told a grand jury last year, about smelling a dead body in Casey's trunk and that less than two weeks after Caylee's disappearance Casey would not let him near that trunk, WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says George could face possible perjury charges; it would probably do more harm to the defense than good.

"It's gonna cause a jury to say, 'You know what? He's now lying or fudging to protect his daughter.' And it actually will reinforce his earlier statements to the grand jury," Sheaffer said (watch interview)...

http://www.wftv.com/news/20295323/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Remember how we all contacted the Oprah Winfrey Show when the Ants were going to be on and then they were canceled? Hmmm..

gator

[beemer]

Reported tonight on WFTV by Kathi Belich

George, Cindy, Brad Conway and Dominck casey all went to NYC and met with Simon and Schuster regarding a book deal.

The caylee foundation received its 5013c status this year so it won't be until next year that we learn where the money is going.

Gator

Dam it (pardon my french) I knew it :cuss: No wonder the Ants have nothing to say-they are waiting for all their idiotic comments to show up in print. I wanna kick something really,really hard right now :flamemad: It's all about the $. May they rot in hell :flamemad:

[beemer]

Remember how we all contacted the Oprah Winfrey Show when the Ants were going to be on and then they were canceled? Hmmm..

gator

Simon and Schuster-here we come :D:flamemad:

[BeastofBears]

Holy cr*p. Wait till you see how George arrived for his depostion.

Yoo Hoo, Loretta........you gotta see this.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/video/20289501/index.html

How...is this possible?!

They...aren't even board shorts. I think they are exactly the same ones I got my hubby at Target. Oh great. We're dressing like the Anthonies. But at Disneyland, not depositions...and flip-flops...:eek:

[beemer]

How...is this possible?!

They...aren't even board shorts. I think they are exactly the same ones I got my hubby at Target. Oh great. We're dressing like the Anthonies. But at Disneyland, not depositions...and flip-flops...:eek:

No No Bob-its all good :D The Ants are trying to dress like us-to be normal. They just dont know when to wear it :biggrin:

[BeastofBears]

Simon and Schuster-here we come :D:flamemad:

I cannot imagine why anyone in their right mind would pen this book before a trial has taken place. Is this why Baez fought the gag order? Because there SHOULD BE a gag order on this case. If this book gets published and Casey is found guilty, it can be one other tick in the appeals issues column, the book might have affected the jury/judge/prosecutors/press etc.

Good grief, how is this permissable? However, let 'em write if someone will pay them. Look at the civil depos. You never know what useful thing might come of the Anthonies talking...

all imo, I'm not a lawyer or anything, it just seems like a bad idea to me...

[lorettalockhorn]

No No Bob-its all good :D The Ants are trying to dress like us-to be normal. They just dont know when to wear it :biggrin:

HAHAHAHA They're fpod fpeople!

Um Maybe I should re-think that trip to Kohl's to buy me some plaid.

[applesandorange]

Dam it (pardon my french) I knew it :cuss: No wonder the Ants have nothing to say-they are waiting for all their idiotic comments to show up in print. I wanna kick something really,really hard right now :flamemad: It's all about the $. May they rot in hell :flamemad:


You read my mind! We should have known that the A's keeping their mouths shut meant they were getting something in return. It's all about THEM. F them! This should be about Caylee and dignity for her. These people grow more disgusting by the day

[SaraSidle]

Reported tonight on WFTV by Kathi Belich

George, Cindy, Brad Conway and Dominck casey all went to NYC and met with Simon and Schuster regarding a book deal.

The caylee foundation received its 5013c status this year so it won't be until next year that we learn where the money is going.

Gator

I sure am glad they are not wasting time here. :rolleyes: sara

[SaraSidle]

I sure am glad they are not wasting time here. :rolleyes: sara

you know they could write 2 books. one pretrial and one for later. IMO sara

[beemer]

you know they could write 2 books. one pretrial and one for later. IMO sara

Hey sara :seeya: Maybe the first book will be- How to Search for Dead Children Who Walk On Water. Man just when i thought they could stoop no lower:rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

you know they could write 2 books. one pretrial and one for later. IMO sara

Ooh, ooh. Don't forget the prequel. If She Did It, Here's How It Happened That We Taught Her to Lie Like a Cheap Rug.

[SaraSidle]

Hey sara :seeya: Maybe the first book will be- How to Search for Dead Children Who Walk On Water. Man just when i thought they could stoop no lower:rolleyes:

no kidding Bree.........just thinking of possible titles is giving me chills......

[SaraSidle]

Ooh, ooh. Don't forget the prequel. If She Did It, Here's How It Happened That We Taught Her to Lie Like a Cheap Rug.

how about

If She Did It we hepped

[beemer]

Good ones sara and loretta :beer: I guess i am not surprised but the reality of a book deal just sent me. They did not deserve to even have had that beautiful little girl in their life:rose: Liar used Caylee for a meal ticket and now G&C :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

how about

If She Did It we hepped

LMAO I'm beginning to believe that they literally did hep. :(

[SaraSidle]

Good ones sara and loretta :beer: I guess i am not surprised but the reality of a book deal just sent me. They did not deserve to even have had that beautiful little girl in their life:rose: Liar used Caylee for a meal ticket and now G&C :cuss:

I had a feeling this was going to happen a while ago. I kept seeing dollars go out and nothing come in. ex bail,lawyers,unemployment etc. I really do not think the Anthony's have that kind of money. I kept waiting for book/movie. :shrug: sara

[Wagsy]

Holy Mackeral what a mess I've gotten myself into - defending the Liar. :eek:

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Gator


*snipped quote*
Gator - after such a beautific, splendorous summation I'll take the fall for your 'going off the cliff '. After all, I did put you out there all by your lonesome.

Soo, how many rosaries does that make for me to say? And, I'll recommend Ivory since it's the mildest! I know from experience that Dial Gold is blechhh! :)

Oh, and P.S., sorry if I hurt you when I used that 'smack on the head' icon. I just whacked lightly - really, I did!!

[DrewBerry]

Holy Mackeral what a mess I've gotten myself into - defending the Liar. :eek:

Good thing I have new niece and nephew in-laws who are criminal attorneys. One for the state and one for the defense. :no: So, I will have to think up how I would go about defending this Piece of S**t.

First thing, tell her to shut up. I can't defend what I know to be a lie, which is probably everything other than her name. Second, I would investigate G&C and their past problems. Third, I would get her mentally evaluated by a forensic psychiatrist of my choosing not the state's. Then, I would claim that she has been a victim of a controlling mother all her life. I would say that she herself stated that she was "petrified of her mother". I would claim that my client has had to manufacture a life for herself that her mother would approve and lost herself in the lies. I would try to get all her statement to the police thrown out saying she was in a confused state with her mother present and didn't know what she was saying. Then I would claim that her fear of her mother's threats to take Caylee away caused her to go into a fugue state and from there on she has no actual memory until she saw Cindy 31 days later. I would say that Caylee died in an accident as a resulf of the fight between Grandmother and mother. I would claim that they had no where to go and didn't want Cindy to know they were in the yard so the Liar covered Caylee's mouth with tape so she would be quiet and she accidentally smothered. After that, not much memory and then as a safety mechanism her psyche didn't admit that Caylee was dead and she became the fake person she always led her mother to believe was true. If she hadn't been dominated all her life and forced to live lies, she would be a happily married young mother and wife. Instead nothing she did was good enough for her mother, the man she fell in love with wasn't good enough, her child wasn't good enough, no job was good enough, she was not good enough. Everything was a competition and my client always lost so she started to live a fake life that was acceptable.

I would also stipulate to the majority of the forensice findings since they really don't prove anything other than Caylee's bones were found. I would try to keep the jury from hearing the evidence over and over by agreeing to it once and be done with it. I would say it doesn't prove murder or anything other than accidental death. The crime was in not reporting a death (out of fear). The defense rests.

And now I have to say about 41 rosaries and wash my mouth out with soap.

Gator

Excellent post, Gator. :seeya:
DrewB

[Wagsy]

Thanks for the link! I see it's casual Wednesday. :rolleyes:

Okay, I noticed that the caption reads: Anthonys' attorney. As in all the Ants? If it was referring to Casey only, it should have read Anthony's attorney. What does this mean? Or am I being the grammar/spelling/usage police?

Good catch! You know what? I had to go look up that misplaced apostrophe and it's the same on the caption for Conway coming into court too!! I could see it being okay on Bozo's as he's Casey's attorney - as in the possessive use of the apostrophe to mean one persons attorney = Casey. But I think it's definitely wrongly placed in the case of BC since he represents both G&C that we know of. Okay...my OCD is getting out of hand here. Time I quit for tonight!!! These are JMO's and all that good stuff. BTW, I'm not an English teacher no matter how you try to frame it...that's just what I remember from HS. It's been so long ago though, that you shouldn't take my word for what is correct or not!! I'm so tired I'm probably delusional. :cool: So, since I'm obviously not into what's hip for state attorney office depositions, I'll refrain from commenting on G's getup he wore today (technically yesterday as it's after 1 am). :seeya:

[Wagsy]

I cannot imagine why anyone in their right mind would pen this book before a trial has taken place. Is this why Baez fought the gag order? Because there SHOULD BE a gag order on this case. If this book gets published and Casey is found guilty, it can be one other tick in the appeals issues column, the book might have affected the jury/judge/prosecutors/press etc.

Good grief, how is this permissable? However, let 'em write if someone will pay them. Look at the civil depos. You never know what useful thing might come of the Anthonies talking...

all imo, I'm not a lawyer or anything, it just seems like a bad idea to me...

BoB, I took the liberty of bolding the pertinent comment in your post. They aren't in their right minds.................:)

[Wagsy]

Excellent post, Gator. :seeya:
DrewB

:seeya: Hi and bye :seeya: DrewB. Have a good night.

[DrewBerry]

If that ain't class there ain't a dog in Georgia! He made anassofhimselfincourt.

Good one, Deacon! He's a walking contradiction; looks cool, casual but we all know he's a bundle of nerves because he has to attempt to keep his lies straight. His attire is not only lazy, it's disrespectful. JMO.
Drew

[DrewBerry]

:seeya: Hi and bye :seeya: DrewB. Have a good night.

Same to you, Wagsy! Good night and good luck with your studies~ :seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

[QUOTE=deacon;9209153]Like I said above, total lack of class.[/QUO

EXACTLY, Deacon. Makes me ill just thinking that these A-holes are using their granddaughter for their own financial gain. Wonder what they can write about when their little princess is found guilty and given the DP?!! :flamemad:
DrewB

[Marian Paroo]

There already have been books and movies about crimes yet unsolved or cases not yet brought to court.

I'm thinking of the two part movie about the murder of Jon-Benet Ramsey and the movie about Lacie Peterson, but there musta been more, too.

[Gatordog]

Good catch! You know what? I had to go look up that misplaced apostrophe and it's the same on the caption for Conway coming into court too!! I could see it being okay on Bozo's as he's Casey's attorney - as in the possessive use of the apostrophe to mean one persons attorney = Casey. But I think it's definitely wrongly placed in the case of BC since he represents both G&C that we know of. Okay...my OCD is getting out of hand here. Time I quit for tonight!!! These are JMO's and all that good stuff. BTW, I'm not an English teacher no matter how you try to frame it...that's just what I remember from HS. It's been so long ago though, that you shouldn't take my word for what is correct or not!! I'm so tired I'm probably delusional. :cool: So, since I'm obviously not into what's hip for state attorney office depositions, I'll refrain from commenting on G's getup he wore today (technically yesterday as it's after 1 am). :seeya:

Wagsy, you're hip enough for me so please, feel free to express yourself. You are usually very colorful and I would enjoy reading it. Afterall, it did look like he was going to the beach to hang ten instead of attending a deposition regarding his murdered grandchild.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Excellent post, Gator. :seeya:
DrewB

Thanks, I can still taste the Palmolive!

Gator

[Gatordog]

OT - but, Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, was arrested last night on burglary and assault or battery charges.

Gator

[beemer]

OT - but, Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, was arrested last night on burglary and assault or battery charges.

Gator

OMG :eek:

[Marian Paroo]

OT - but, Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, was arrested last night on burglary and assault or battery charges.

Gator

Link?!

[Amy]

Good one, Deacon! He's a walking contradiction; looks cool, casual but we all know he's a bundle of nerves because he has to attempt to keep his lies straight. His attire is not only lazy, it's disrespectful. JMO.
Drew

We can tell he's nervous just like Kathi Belich could. That twisting of the next and straining of the neck muscle as he gives his gum a few quick chops (but much more subtlely and politely than does the wonderful woman whom he is so glad stands beside him--well, not @ that moment, of course :D) A little baring of the teeth. And, of course, he admitted it to Kathi. ;) Really, tho, I would be a bundle of nerves, too. I would hope, however, that it would not be because I told so many versions of the situation, many of which would not coincide with the versions of my husband and son and even daughter.

I tho't he handled the interview really well, even w/the digs about the civil depo. Didn't fly off the handle or get defensive, etc. He really should have even worn blue jeans w/a polo shirt or something, with honest-to-God shoes and socks, tho. His casual was way over the top, IMO. He might be mouthing the words about how professional the state conducts the depo and how he will be answering honestly (DUH, George, that's sort of what under oath is supposed to encourage--honesty) and he hopes it isn't too emotional, etc. But his clothes pretty much say he disrespects the prosecution every bit as much as he disrespects M&M. IMO

[Amy]

There already have been books and movies about crimes yet unsolved or cases not yet brought to court.

I'm thinking of the two part movie about the murder of Jon-Benet Ramsey and the movie about Lacie Peterson, but there musta been more, too.

Dianne Fanning is already writing a book about the case. Nothing for the A's in it, tho. As she says, she writes on true crime for a living. I can't see her giving even a small chunk to the A's. Anyway, can't remember which board I was on when this was discussed. She says she has gotten her info from interviewing many people--Casey and the A's and their enterauge (sp) were not among them--and going thru all the same docs message board posters, er, uh, fat bloggers and defense have privy to.

I might look @ it--many of the docs written out where I could look them up without having to pop up this box and downsize that and all the manipulations it takes to find them on the computer. But I think any true crime book is best written after the trail, where all the prosecution info has been put out to the public--@ least that which they will be using. Well, I guess there are some unsolved cases that can be written about, but those that are going to trial, I really would rather wait and read about it to it's conclusion.

Altho, I have never read an SP book. I have looked @ his sister's book.

[Amy]

OT - but, Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, was arrested last night on burglary and assault or battery charges.

Gator

I'm surprised Putman Co would arrest a "grieving" father, they seem to have handled him w/kid gloves even way before Haleigh went missing, IMO. I sure don't expect anything to come of this arrest, any more than any of the others on his record. Thanks for the heads up.

[BeastofBears]

There already have been books and movies about crimes yet unsolved or cases not yet brought to court.

I'm thinking of the two part movie about the murder of Jon-Benet Ramsey and the movie about Lacie Peterson, but there musta been more, too.

Yeah, but written by people who are, at best, important witnesses? I recall in the OJ trial, someone was asked if they were paid for a story by the National Enquirer or some such, and when the answer was "yes" their testimony was considered suspect. (can't remember the details, forgive if it was another trial...)

Here, you have a (I'm guessing) 6 figure paycheck coming. Picture Baez or the prosecution, whomever is being hurt by their testimony, implying that affected what they have to say. This is 8 ways south of wrong, imo. I really think that they are doing everything possible to make their testimony moot, imo, its the only thing that makes sense.

[BeastofBears]

Link?!

THIS...is one heck of a read! http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-06/story/ronald_cummings_arrested_for_burglary_battery_invo lving_brother_in

[Gatordog]

Possible Doc Dump is coming....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-discovery-080509,0,6864172.story

[Gatordog]

Link?!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-haleigh-cummings-dad-arrested-080609,0,5795791.story

[lorettalockhorn]

Possible Doc Dump is coming....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-discovery-080509,0,6864172.story

Thanks so much! http://i31.tinypic.com/2s1udti.jpg

[BeastofBears]

Thanks so much! http://i31.tinypic.com/2s1udti.jpg

Don't get too excited. Boy have these last few been duds.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't get too excited. Boy have these last few been duds.

LMAO So true. But even if it's a dud, it'll give us the opportunity to carp about it being a dud.

[BeastofBears]

LMAO So true. But even if it's a dud, it'll give us the opportunity to carp about it being a dud.

http://i34.tinypic.com/imjwck.jpg
carp.

PS: I think this is the British carp that was the victim of foul play this week...

[shadydaisy]

THIS...is one heck of a read! http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-08-06/story/ronald_cummings_arrested_for_burglary_battery_invo lving_brother_in

That is an interesting twist to the tale. I really can't say I'm surprised, but I thought it might take a little while longer before this kind of thing happened.

I would like a doc dump that contained something noteworthy.

[BeastofBears]

Conway on teevee this morning. Nothing new, really...http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32312161#32312161

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i34.tinypic.com/imjwck.jpg
carp.

PS: I think this is the British carp that was the victim of foul play this week...

What a loada carp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Conway on teevee this morning. Nothing new, really...http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32312161#32312161

Speaking of Loads O'Carp, Conway categorizes the M&M deposition as a publicity stunt and adds that G&C have cooperated with and told the truth in the investigation to date. :eek: Now which truth, Brad?!

[SuzDuJour]

Hi Guys,

Since it’s kind of slow here right now, and I missed the earlier bash-fest about Hillary, I’d like to add that (even though I grew to dislike her during the last campaign against Obama) she has a long, long, long way to go to embarrass herself or me to the degree that Barbara Bush did following hurricane Katrina:

“What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, (she chuckles) so this is working very well for them.”

Or on the war in Iraq:

“Why should we hear about body bags and deaths,” Barbara Bush said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” on March 18, 2003. “Oh, I mean, it’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”

Just sayin’…

[Wagsy]

Wagsy, you're hip enough for me so please, feel free to express yourself. You are usually very colorful and I would enjoy reading it. Afterall, it did look like he was going to the beach to hang ten instead of attending a deposition regarding his murdered grandchild.

Gator

You asked for it and here goes. The shirt was like nothing I've ever seen before. Guess I'm not in the right part of the country. Are those common in Florida because of the heat or something? Was the color along the lines of the puke green that is supposed to be the color they wear in support of their daughter? And there was a Caylee button on the shirt too. Aaarrggghhhh. Enough already. He's talking about trying to get a job and people recognize him and don't hire him. Well, duh, tone it down buddy!

Then those shorts looked like the plaid curtains I put up in my son's room. Didn't realize men wore them too. My hubby and sons won't go near anything plaid if it's for the legs. Plaid dress shirts are okay. BTW, I'm not putting anyone down here. There are some men who look nice in plaid shorts at the right place (JMO) even though personal taste is different in our family. But then, they were probably fine if he was going to be using his boat after the depo or in case he got a call for a missing child walking on water as others so succinctly put it!! :rolleyes: (Now I'm going to have to do penance)

Going lower to knobby knees and ending up with those flip-flops. Is that so he can snap his sandals when he's upset instead of snapping chewing gum? Help the poor! Okay...the guy can't help God gave him those knees but don't emphasize them by wearing shorts that shout, "Look At Me!"

Gotta back up to the head. Is it normal for men to have perfectly black eyebrows and snow white hair? My hubby is salt n' peppa and he gets gray ones I love to pull! hehe Inflict a little pain...:tongue: But, I'm not that well versed in mens eyebrows so maybe someone can enlighten me there. Seems like the older men I see with mostly gray hair have a lot of gray in their eyebrows. Lordy, we have so much more to worry about than eyebrows...I'll drop the subject now. But please inject feedback on this. TIA

There - that's my http://i39.tinypic.com/333h26r.jpg http://i39.tinypic.com/333h26r.jpg and more. Ahh, it feels better now that I let it out! These are my observations, opinions, etc.

[Wagsy]

OT - but, Ronald Cummings, Haleigh's father, was arrested last night on burglary and assault or battery charges.

Gator

Ei-yi-yi...this don't looka' good. :no: