Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Wagsy]

if its there it hasn't been released yet, but it would go along with the other computer stuff that they are using to show premeditation yea? since they don't have any COD and the only thing they have to go on in that regard is computer research about neckbreaking and chloroform, there HAS to be something else that would make this first degree murder and make them want the DP.
ITA. I know even under the FL Sunshine Law they aren't required to hand over EVERYTHING to the defense immediately. I don't know if it has to be turned over at some point before the trial. Even as terrible as this crime is, I am glad Casey wasn't so cold-blooded as to put Caylee where alligators could get to her. I still think she had planned to leave FL before she could get caught but just didn't have enough money put aside yet. Then Cindy closed in and we all know what happened from there. There has to be more compelling things to make them so certain that they would qualify this as a DP case - you are so right. Could she have researched that on Jose's computer all those days she went to his office on home confinement? Wasn't she allowed computer access there? I'm not sure on the time line of where this would fit in. JMO's.

[deacon]

Internet Cafes. Publc libraries. Bus stations.

Plenty of anonymous computers to search on.

I don't think that casey is that smart or is "not so smart" that she thought it wouldn't show up. We are not dealing with a rocket scientist here.:hat:

[JLette]

i don't think that LE ever came into her little fantasy about how this would all work out in the end.

i think that any thinking ahead she might have done BEFORE the murder, and any covering up she may have done AFTERWARD were all for Cyndi. i think that Casey thought that it would just stay between their sick little family and she would never have to worry about the cops. and then when she had squirreled enough stolen money away she was gonna split the scene and never look back.

her mom sure did gunk up her plan by calling 911 didn't she.

[lorettalockhorn]

if its there it hasn't been released yet, but it would go along with the other computer stuff that they are using to show premeditation yea? since they don't have any COD and the only thing they have to go on in that regard is computer research about neckbreaking and chloroform, there HAS to be something else that would make this first degree murder and make them want the DP.

Aggravating factors for capital punishment:

Florida-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)
(2) The capital offense was committed during the commission of, attempt of, or escape from a specified felony (such as robbery, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, arson, oral copulation, train wrecking, carjacking, criminal gang activity, drug dealing, or aircraft piracy)
(3) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense
(4) The defendant committed the murder after substantial planning and premeditation
(5) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value
(6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime
(7) The capital offense was committed to interfere with the lawful exercise of any government function or the enforcement of the laws
(8) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony
(9) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment
(10)The defendant was a criminal street gang member
(11)The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age
(12)The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim
(13) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victim’s official duties
(14)The defendant engaged in drug trafficking
(15)The defendant raped a child
(16)The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification
(17)The capital felony was committed by a person designated as a sexual predator or a person previously designated as a sexual predator who had the sexual predator designation removed

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/aggravating-factors-capital-punishment-state

Well, Baez, Kenney-Baden, Lyon, et.al. can bite me, because I don't see how Casey couldn't be facing the death penalty. Cause of death known OR unknown.

[JLette]

wow ok i see now...and ITA about the Liar's Lawyers

thanx for the info Loretta

[beemer]

Internet Cafes. Publc libraries. Bus stations.

Plenty of anonymous computers to search on.

That would be considered work for her :shrug:

[DrewBerry]

Aggravating factors for capital punishment:

Florida-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)
(2) The capital offense was committed during the commission of, attempt of, or escape from a specified felony (such as robbery, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, arson, oral copulation, train wrecking, carjacking, criminal gang activity, drug dealing, or aircraft piracy)
(3) The defendant knowingly created a grave risk of death for one or more persons in addition to the victim of the offense
(4) The defendant committed the murder after substantial planning and premeditation
(5) The murder was committed for pecuniary gain or pursuant to an agreement that the defendant would receive something of value
(6) The murder was committed to avoid or prevent arrest, to effect an escape, or to conceal the commission of a crime
(7) The capital offense was committed to interfere with the lawful exercise of any government function or the enforcement of the laws
(8) The defendant has been convicted of, or committed, a prior murder, a felony involving violence, or other serious felony
(9) The capital offense was committed by a person who is incarcerated, has escaped, is on probation, is in jail, or is under a sentence of imprisonment
(10)The defendant was a criminal street gang member
(11)The victim of the capital felony was a person less than 12 years of age
(12)The victim of the capital felony was particularly vulnerable due to disability, or because the defendant stood in a position of familial or custodial authority over the victim
(13) The victim was an elected or appointed official or former official of the federal government, or local or state government, and the killing intentionally prevented the victim’s official duties
(14)The defendant engaged in drug trafficking
(15)The defendant raped a child
(16)The capital felony was a homicide and was committed in a cold, calculated, and premeditated manner without any pretense of moral or legal justification
(17)The capital felony was committed by a person designated as a sexual predator or a person previously designated as a sexual predator who had the sexual predator designation removed

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/aggravating-factors-capital-punishment-state

Well, Baez, Kenney-Baden, Lyon, et.al. can bite me, because I don't see how Casey couldn't be facing the death penalty. Cause of death known OR unknown.

Yeah, Loretta. Casey's Dream Team can bite me too! Certainly meets criteria for DP. No special treatment for the Liar unless Jose can convince her to confess and go for LWOP. Now, wouldn't that just push the Grinch right over the edge?! Just think, if the Liar finally admitted it, the Grinch's lies may send her to the pokey too!:beer:
Just wishful thinking on my part. Never gonna happen.
DrewB

[SuzDuJour]

Please don't beat me up for this...

It was no coincidence that Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson died on the same day. When Farrah got to Heaven, St. Peter told her what a sweet Angel and good person she was during her life and asked if she would like one final request before she entered the Gates. She said, “I’d like to save the children”…






(Disclaimer…I know MJ was found ‘not guilty’…it’s just a joke…)

[Wagsy]

Aggravating factors for capital punishment:

Florida-
(1)The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, cruel, or depraved (or involved torture)

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/aggravating-factors-capital-punishment-state

Well, Baez, Kenney-Baden, Lyon, et.al. can bite me, because I don't see how Casey [I]couldn't be facing the death penalty. Cause of death known OR unknown.

Ahh, I see, I see. You nailed it Loretta! Excellent post. But...I thought Bozo was saying something to the effect that once we hear their side of it...we would all 'understand' and see that Casey is innocent??? :confused: So, what is their side of it? :rolleyes: Does that include their version of a *cough* "confession" with a plea? "But your Honor......"

[Wagsy]

Please don't beat me up for this...

It was no coincidence that Farrah Fawcett and Michael Jackson died on the same day. When Farrah got to Heaven, St. Peter told her what a sweet Angel and good person she was during her life and asked if she would like one final request before she entered the Gates. She said, “I’d like to save the children”…






(Disclaimer…I know MJ was found ‘not guilty’…it’s just a joke…)
Too funny. ROFL

[beemer]

Ahh, I see, I see. You nailed it Loretta! Excellent post. But...I thought Bozo was saying something to the effect that once we hear their side of it...we would all 'understand' and see that Casey is innocent??? :confused: So, what is their side of it? :rolleyes: Does that include their version of a *cough* "confession" with a plea? "But your Honor......"

Haaaa and we are all here waiting with bated breath to hear their side :rolleyes: Maybe Bozo is hoping we will have forgotten that statement he made by the time trial rolls around :confused:

[Wagsy]

Haaaa and we are all here waiting with bated breath to hear their side :rolleyes: Maybe Bozo is hoping we will have forgotten that statement he made by the time trial rolls around :confused:
Yeah...and we're all gonna' end up with shortness of breath by the time this finally comes to trial!

[beemer]

Yeah...and we're all gonna' end up with shortness of breath by the time this finally comes to trial!
No kidding. We need a doc dump,civil trial,other pending charges. It might tide us over till trial somewhat :shrug:

[Wagsy]

No kidding. We need a doc dump,civil trial,other pending charges. It might tide us over till trial somewhat :shrug:

Does anyone know if the civil trial is going ahead?

[SaraSidle]

Thanks, Sara. I caught that on NG, too. No, Riverboat Lady wasn't me! I think she had a few years on me. Anyway, hope she had a grand b'day.

I was disappointed that NG didn't mention Caylee, too. Still waiting for her 2 part show about Cindy. Whatever happened to that? NG needs to read our posts so she can get updated!
:seeya:
DrewB

Oh DrewB I was just kidding. I was hoping you would watch NG and see her. I figured you were younger.

Yes tonight HG had the first 8 min on the parents murdered. No real new info and now we are back to MJ again. SSSSIIGGGHHHH. I believe you are right about the posts. I wonder if that is how they ever keep up sometimes.

I mean the most attention paid to Caylee is from forums like ours. sara

[SaraSidle]

Had to look up the word immolation! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent041.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

OH Gator. Too funny. I had to look it up too but I do not have the smilies you do. Very cute. It could be another Anthony IMO sara

[BeastofBears]

i don't think that LE ever came into her little fantasy about how this would all work out in the end.

i think that any thinking ahead she might have done BEFORE the murder, and any covering up she may have done AFTERWARD were all for Cyndi. i think that Casey thought that it would just stay between their sick little family and she would never have to worry about the cops. and then when she had squirreled enough stolen money away she was gonna split the scene and never look back.

her mom sure did gunk up her plan by calling 911 didn't she.

Thank you for making that call, Cindy.

[Wagsy]

I'm outta' here - there's a bad lightning/thunderstorm and I don't want to fry! I'll leave that for the jury to decide about Ms. A ;-)

[beemer]

I'm outta' here - there's a bad lightning/thunderstorm and I don't want to fry! I'll leave that for the jury to decide about Ms. A ;-)

Stay safe Wags-here is a bit of info

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/07/casey-anthonys-exboyfriend-hir.html

[SaraSidle]

Yeah...and we're all gonna' end up with shortness of breath by the time this finally comes to trial!

I thought their side was zanny the nanny is a kidnapper. LE has the wrong zanny remember. Casey had to follow her list she got from Zanny. I wonder what she did with that??????? yeah right,. IMO sara

[deacon]

I thought their side was zanny the nanny is a kidnapper. LE has the wrong zanny remember. Casey had to follow her list she got from Zanny. I wonder what she did with that??????? yeah right,. IMO sara

Funny, we haven't heard that from bozo lately. Only from cindy and george. bozo just says we will understand. El Toro poo poo!:biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm outta' here - there's a bad lightning/thunderstorm and I don't want to fry! I'll leave that for the jury to decide about Ms. A ;-)

Me too, me too!!! Count me in!!! No lethal injection!!!

http://i44.tinypic.com/5pq77r.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought their side was zanny the nanny is a kidnapper. LE has the wrong zanny remember. Casey had to follow her list she got from Zanny. I wonder what she did with that??????? yeah right,. IMO sara

It's going to be interesting to see if Casey's dReam Team can come up with something a little more believable than Zanny the Nanny did it.

[BeastofBears]

It's going to be interesting to see if Casey's dReam Team can come up with something a little more believable than Zanny the Nanny did it.

Could they come up with something LESS believable? Picking someone so distinct that the police could show she doesn't exist? I mean, it's hard to prove a negative, but it sure looks like they can here. Why didn't she just go with an undocumented "Maria Ramirez" that she didn't really know very well? THEN I could believe in a nanny that could disappear...

not a rocket scientist is right.

[deacon]

Could they come up with something LESS believable? Picking someone so distinct that the police could show she doesn't exist? I mean, it's hard to prove a negative, but it sure looks like they can here. Why didn't she just go with an undocumented "Maria Ramirez" that she didn't really know very well? THEN I could believe in a nanny that could disappear...

not a rocket scientist is right.

What she said made about as much sense as saying the Minnie Mouse did it. There are thousands of excuses she could have used and she picks this one? The elevator does not go to the top floor. Or as some would say, about 5 fries short of a happy meal.

[SaraSidle]

Could they come up with something LESS believable? Picking someone so distinct that the police could show she doesn't exist? I mean, it's hard to prove a negative, but it sure looks like they can here. Why didn't she just go with an undocumented "Maria Ramirez" that she didn't really know very well? THEN I could believe in a nanny that could disappear...

not a rocket scientist is right.

I believe the Sawgrass apts more than kidnapping in the park. Every time I try to replay the park scene in my head I just cannot comprehend someone believing that. IMO sara

[lighthousedazy]

Funny, we haven't heard that from bozo lately. Only from cindy and george. bozo just says we will understand. El Toro poo poo!:biggrin::biggrin: I don't speak spanish but I know what El toro poo poo means. :D

[DrewBerry]

Oh DrewB I was just kidding. I was hoping you would watch NG and see her. I figured you were younger.

Yes tonight HG had the first 8 min on the parents murdered. No real new info and now we are back to MJ again. SSSSIIGGGHHHH. I believe you are right about the posts. I wonder if that is how they ever keep up sometimes.

I mean the most attention paid to Caylee is from forums like ours. sara

Hi Sara! I knew ya were joking about the Riverboat b'day gal! NG totally forgot me!
More MJ tonight, too. Last week she did spend some time on a missing 10 yr. old girl here in my area---Lindsey Baum. LE has absolutely no leads, no clues, nothing. However, NG hasn't shown anything since then.
I was really surprised when she didn't make any comments about Caylee's case since it was 1 yr. ago yesterday that the Grinch made the 911 call. I was certain she would have. Anyway, good to see ya! :seeya:
DrewB

[lighthousedazy]

Hi Sara! I knew ya were joking about the Riverboat b'day gal! NG totally forgot me!
More MJ tonight, too. Last week she did spend some time on a missing 10 yr. old girl here in my area---Lindsey Baum. LE has absolutely no leads, no clues, nothing. However, NG hasn't shown anything since then.
I was really surprised when she didn't make any comments about Caylee's case since it was 1 yr. ago yesterday that the Grinch made the 911 call. I was certain she would have. Anyway, good to see ya! :seeya:
DrewBI love Nancy, inspite of some of her faults but I am not watching either. I am sorry that Michael Jackson died; he was very talented, etc. some people die before their time, some people live very long lives. Death is the final stage of life. :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Sara! I knew ya were joking about the Riverboat b'day gal! NG totally forgot me!
More MJ tonight, too. Last week she did spend some time on a missing 10 yr. old girl here in my area---Lindsey Baum. LE has absolutely no leads, no clues, nothing. However, NG hasn't shown anything since then.
I was really surprised when she didn't make any comments about Caylee's case since it was 1 yr. ago yesterday that the Grinch made the 911 call. I was certain she would have. Anyway, good to see ya! :seeya:
DrewB

Wasn't the Riverboat Slots Playing Margarita Drinking BDay Girl about 90 years old? I saw a pic of one honoree and she was as cute as she could be!!!

Haven't heard any news that Lindsey Baum has been found, so that's a bummer. But will her father still be deployed?

[SaraSidle]

Hi Sara! I knew ya were joking about the Riverboat b'day gal! NG totally forgot me!
More MJ tonight, too. Last week she did spend some time on a missing 10 yr. old girl here in my area---Lindsey Baum. LE has absolutely no leads, no clues, nothing. However, NG hasn't shown anything since then.
I was really surprised when she didn't make any comments about Caylee's case since it was 1 yr. ago yesterday that the Grinch made the 911 call. I was certain she would have. Anyway, good to see ya! :seeya:
DrewB

Yes Lindsey was a 10 yr old girl who walked 6 blocks to her home from a friends and never made it. very strange. I was upset today that Caylee was not recognized by the media.
You secret is safe with me. I have never been on a riverboat. sara

[Amy]

Good Morning to you, Nawny! :seeya:

You have a wonderful perspective on MJ. I was not so gracious in my thoughts or feelings. You are so right about the best things in life are truly free. I guess most of us would just like to have the big amounts of money to be able to pay the bills and not worry in life about what is coming down the pike for us to pay for next. I wouldn't care to have the fame and recognition either. I can be a recluse without having to!! :tongue: My final thought is that he be able to RIP now wherever he is too. Thanks for giving me new insight.

I don't suppose the world is going to let him rest in peace. There will be specials and tabloid stories and things like that on and on and on and...... He will be "sighted" everywhere you turn. He and Elvis will be walking the streets of the country ad infinitum, never to be able to RIP. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Wasn't the Riverboat Slots Playing Margarita Drinking BDay Girl about 90 years old? I saw a pic of one honoree and she was as cute as she could be!!!

Haven't heard any news that Lindsey Baum has been found, so that's a bummer. But will her father still be deployed?

nope she is still not found. I have not heard about dad. It is so scarey how all these children are ending up missing since Caylee and family is involved. sara

[Nawny]

Many thanks, Wagsy! Good to see ya here!:)
DrewB

Wags, go to tiny pictures and you will find it's user friendly. They have a feature that lets you download pictures of your own that fit here (using the messsage board link from a list on the page..) then browse... or you can do a search for what you're looking for. Like shoes for Beemer or what ever you want. :) It took time for me to figure it out, but it happens.

Hey Beemer, what cha say?

http://i39.tinypic.com/fc7k1l.jpg

Uh oh! Wrong thread! We need a shoe thread! I'll get some more on the Anything You Want to Discuss Thread.... bubyeeee...

[Gatordog]

Now we're finally getting somewhere with the doc dumps -- Baez filed a motion to stop any further information from being released. Padilla and Tracy's police statements are due to be released at the end of this month. Baez said Padilla was working for him and he can't divulge anything due to client priviledge. Padilla working for Baez, right. Padilla is going to like that one. :D

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html


OT - wow, those are some shoes. Perhaps you should ask Mr. Beemer how he likes them. :tongue:

Gator

[Gatordog]

Funny, we haven't heard that from bozo lately. Only from cindy and george. bozo just says we will understand. El Toro poo poo!:biggrin:

He popped up again. Filing all sorts of motions. Cryin Lyon must have him burning the midnight oil. Good thing she's a professor, I hope she reads the motions and corrects the mistakes before they are filed.

Gator


http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-update-071609,0,7182649.story

[Gatordog]

OT - regarding Haleigh Cummings - Department of Children and Services has finished their investigation of the Dad. He has been cleared of any wrongdoing and is permitted to keep custody of his son. The only request made by DCF is that he and his childbride take child rearing classes. But no abuse or neglect has been found on Ronald's part.

Gator

[beemer]

I thought their side was zanny the nanny is a kidnapper. LE has the wrong zanny remember. Casey had to follow her list she got from Zanny. I wonder what she did with that??????? yeah right,. IMO sara

I figure she accidently dropped it sara when she was heaving the beer in her cart :beer:

[beemer]

I believe the Sawgrass apts more than kidnapping in the park. Every time I try to replay the park scene in my head I just cannot comprehend someone believing that. IMO sara

I know i hear ya. I tend to agree with J's post back a bit. I dont think Liar expected C to call police. She could run that story across G&C and they would swallow it. She prolly planned to be dust in the wind by the time police where involved and much less of a chance of finding Caylee in her twisted mind. I wonder if they will go with the Zanny defense? What was that famous case where the defense asked a non existent or deceased person to enter the court room. Everyone turned and looked at the door. Defense then said there was a presumtion in everyone's mind that this person existed/alive ? And then they could add that we cant see air but we know it exists. That would be entertaining at best :D

[beemer]

Now we're finally getting somewhere with the doc dumps -- Baez filed a motion to stop any further information from being released. Padilla and Tracy's police statements are due to be released at the end of this month. Baez said Padilla was working for him and he can't divulge anything due to client priviledge. Padilla working for Baez, right. Padilla is going to like that one. :D

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html


OT - wow, those are some shoes. Perhaps you should ask Mr. Beemer how he likes them. :tongue:

Gator
Finally some info coming. Mr. Beemer says I likey :D I may have to print,cut and tape em too my feet if i dont find any :beer:

[JLette]

Could they come up with something LESS believable? Picking someone so distinct that the police could show she doesn't exist? I mean, it's hard to prove a negative, but it sure looks like they can here. Why didn't she just go with an undocumented "Maria Ramirez" that she didn't really know very well? THEN I could believe in a nanny that could disappear...

not a rocket scientist is right.

lol as dumb as the whole thing is that would have been much more believable. she got way to specific with the name...IMO if she wanted a imaginanny to take responsibility then it should have been maria or christina or some other extremely common name, but Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez? for crying out loud!!! but that of course is the downfall of everything she has said, too many details about what DOESN'T matter, not enough information about what DOES

[Mojo]

well for crying out loud, you turn the channel to HLN right now and it just doesn't matter what time it is or what show is on, all you see is Michael effin Jackson!!! do they not realize that all of those shows are playing the same crap? lol :punch: they don't ALL have to tell the same story hour after bloody hour do they?

I know it's so frustrating! I keep hoping NG or one of her crew will notice that her ratings have tanked and figure out it's because we are SICK AND TIRED OF MJ!!! Who cares??!! She needs to get back to her original premis of helping innocent victims. I don't see MJ as innocent or victim really. There are kids going missing that she needs to be putting on her show so the public can be looking for them.

[Gatordog]

Yes Lindsey was a 10 yr old girl who walked 6 blocks to her home from a friends and never made it. very strange. I was upset today that Caylee was not recognized by the media.
You secret is safe with me. I have never been on a riverboat. sara

I have my suspicions about that case but can't put them into words. The bloodhounds picked up no scent whatsoever on the road she supposedly walked back and forth. Bloodhounds can even track the scent of someone who was sitting in a car.

Gator

[JLette]

I know it's so frustrating! I keep hoping NG or one of her crew will notice that her ratings have tanked and figure out it's because we are SICK AND TIRED OF MJ!!! Who cares??!! She needs to get back to her original premis of helping innocent victims. I don't see MJ as innocent or victim really. There are kids going missing that she needs to be putting on her show so the public can be looking for them.

ITA!!! let showbiz tonight handle the MJ stuff, get back with the program Nancy for gods sake!!! same goes for prime news, GET BACK TO THE REAL NEWS ALREADY sheesh :punch:

[Mojo]

I have my suspicions about that case but can't put them into words. The bloodhounds picked up no scent whatsoever on the road she supposedly walked back and forth. Bloodhounds can even track the scent of someone who was sitting in a car.

Gator

I thought it was odd when I watched the dad give the public plea to return her before he deployed. This is just an assumption on my part, but I would think if I was about to be deployed and my baby was missing, I would be an hysterical mess. He seemed awfully calm, cool and collected. JMO

[DrewBerry]

Yes Lindsey was a 10 yr old girl who walked 6 blocks to her home from a friends and never made it. very strange. I was upset today that Caylee was not recognized by the media.
You secret is safe with me. I have never been on a riverboat. sara

Ha, Ha! Sara! I have to admit; I was in New Orleans back in '93 and went on a riverboat ride.

Lindsey Baum was walking home from her friend's house at 9:30 pm which was less than 4 blocks. Nobody has seen here since. Absolutely baffling.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Now we're finally getting somewhere with the doc dumps -- Baez filed a motion to stop any further information from being released. Padilla and Tracy's police statements are due to be released at the end of this month. Baez said Padilla was working for him and he can't divulge anything due to client priviledge. Padilla working for Baez, right. Padilla is going to like that one. :D

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html


OT - wow, those are some shoes. Perhaps you should ask Mr. Beemer how he likes them. :tongue:

Gator

Thanks for the info, Gator. You're always on top of things. :beer:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

lol as dumb as the whole thing is that would have been much more believable. she got way to specific with the name...IMO if she wanted a imaginanny to take responsibility then it should have been maria or christina or some other extremely common name, but Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez? for crying out loud!!! but that of course is the downfall of everything she has said, too many details about what DOESN'T matter, not enough information about what DOES

The girl can't help it!

...Compulsive lying is often a secondary impulse related to other personality disorders. Watch for narcissistic and/or manipulative behavior. Inappropriate emotions and impulsive reactions to situations can be another tip off that something is not quite right...

http://addiction.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Symptoms_of_Compulsive_Liars

[lorettalockhorn]

Now we're finally getting somewhere with the doc dumps -- Baez filed a motion to stop any further information from being released. Padilla and Tracy's police statements are due to be released at the end of this month. Baez said Padilla was working for him and he can't divulge anything due to client priviledge. Padilla working for Baez, right. Padilla is going to like that one. :D

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html


OT - wow, those are some shoes. Perhaps you should ask Mr. Beemer how he likes them. :tongue:

Gator


Interesting. Does that mean that Baez fronted the money to bail Casey out? (Wasn't that a big question early on?) Not sure I understand how Baez can conceivably consider LP was working for him. Let's see that contract, Jose!

Thanks for the update!

[DrewBerry]

I love Nancy, inspite of some of her faults but I am not watching either. I am sorry that Michael Jackson died; he was very talented, etc. some people die before their time, some people live very long lives. Death is the final stage of life. :rose:

ITA with ya Light. I am a fan of NG at times. People either love her or hate her. I usually watch her because of her coverage of missing kids and although she's pretty brutal at times, I think she's sharp and knows her stuff.
This MJ thing is sad but I'm growing weary---it's on every channel.
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

I know it's so frustrating! I keep hoping NG or one of her crew will notice that her ratings have tanked and figure out it's because we are SICK AND TIRED OF MJ!!! Who cares??!! She needs to get back to her original premis of helping innocent victims. I don't see MJ as innocent or victim really. There are kids going missing that she needs to be putting on her show so the public can be looking for them.

Agree. I thought the focus of NG's show was the court system. No doubt the MJ death will turn into a huge couple of cases and they will be interesting for sure, but for every HLN program to reiterate the same information over and over is redundant and repetitive. ;):hat: And it's wearisome.

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA with ya Light. I am a fan of NG at times. People either love her or hate her. I usually watch her because of her coverage of missing kids and although she's pretty brutal at times, I think she's sharp and knows her stuff.
This MJ thing is sad but I'm growing weary---it's on every channel.
DrewB

hehehe Weary is the word of the day when it comes to the Jacksons! Usually hate when Nancy is rude to her guests, but I kinda enjoyed the way she made mincemeat of MJ's cousin last night. That guy should have practiced his spiel before he agreed to talk to her.

[Gatordog]

I thought it was odd when I watched the dad give the public plea to return her before he deployed. This is just an assumption on my part, but I would think if I was about to be deployed and my baby was missing, I would be an hysterical mess. He seemed awfully calm, cool and collected. JMO

If he is career military, maybe that's just his training.

[Gatordog]

Ha, Ha! Sara! I have to admit; I was in New Orleans back in '93 and went on a riverboat ride.

Lindsey Baum was walking home from her friend's house at 9:30 pm which was less than 4 blocks. Nobody has seen here since. Absolutely baffling.
DrewB

Wait a minute!!!! It was 9:30 p.m. Now I really am suspicious. Who in the world let's a 10 year old girl walk four blocks by herself that late? When I was 12 I started babysitting for my next door neighbor and she always came out and watched me walk into my house and it was the very next house, less than 15 feet away. No one let's a little girl walk home, not even at 7 p.m. I cannot believe the mother knew she was going to be by herself that late. Something stinks here.

Gator

[Marian Paroo]

I remember this from when I was back in the USA to do my Masters degree in 80-81.

There was a case when Mama made her daughter get her daughter out her pjs and into clothing to go and get her a pack of ciggies.

Daughter never came back. Stinking drug addict parent.

[lorettalockhorn]

If he is career military, maybe that's just his training.

That was my interpretation.

Wait a minute!!!! It was 9:30 p.m. Now I really am suspicious. Who in the world let's a 10 year old girl walk four blocks by herself that late? When I was 12 I started babysitting for my next door neighbor and she always came out and watched me walk into my house and it was the very next house, less than 15 feet away. No one let's a little girl walk home, not even at 7 p.m. I cannot believe the mother knew she was going to be by herself that late. Something stinks here.

Gator

Lindsey was with her (12-year-old?) brother and they had an argument. He left her to walk alone.

[SaraSidle]

The girl can't help it!

...Compulsive lying is often a secondary impulse related to other personality disorders. Watch for narcissistic and/or manipulative behavior. Inappropriate emotions and impulsive reactions to situations can be another tip off that something is not quite right...

http://addiction.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Symptoms_of_Compulsive_Liars

Must be the Vlasic. She really does not stop. And it is much worse when the story changes. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Must be the Vlasic. She really does not stop. And it is much worse when the story changes. IMO sara

Well, now she's in a pickle. And it's because not only is she a big liar, but she can't keep her fmouth shut!

From O2S post in the news update column:

...Padilla's employees routinely drove her to and from Baez's office. Padilla said Anthony was plenty chatty.

"She would drop little statements when she was being driven back when she was with Tracy," Padilla said...

...Defense lawyer Richard Hornsby said the agreements are worthless because Florida statutes do not allow attorneys and bail bondsmen to enter in to those types of confidentiality arrangements.

"Jose Baez should have never had a reasonable expectation that anything she said would be confidential or fall under the attorney client privilege and that's a big problem," Hornsby said. "He should have advised her right away -- don't say anything to anybody."...

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

Not sure why Padilla, etal would sign an agreement if it's not valid, but I'm eagerly waiting for Strickland to rule on this business.

The motion including the agreement:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0717/20090880.pdf

LMAO@Baez referring to himself as The Firm and the FIRM. Does he think he's Tom Cruz? John Grisham?

[BeastofBears]

Maybe he's trying to slim down: http://www.firmdirect.com/firm/ecs/main/index.html

[DrewBerry]

ITA!!! let showbiz tonight handle the MJ stuff, get back with the program Nancy for gods sake!!! same goes for prime news, GET BACK TO THE REAL NEWS ALREADY sheesh :punch:

I hear ya, J!! Showbiz Tonight & Larry King can keep it going.
NG needs to get back on track!
:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

hehehe Weary is the word of the day when it comes to the Jacksons! Usually hate when Nancy is rude to her guests, but I kinda enjoyed the way she made mincemeat of MJ's cousin last night. That guy should have practiced his spiel before he agreed to talk to her.

Yeah, I saw that too, Loretta. He really did seem tongue-tied. NG doesn't have patience for that. All the relatives, friends, staff, and you name it, will continue to come out of their caves with their new duds on for TV. It is truly a sad circus. But, enough, Nancy!!
DrewB

[beemer]

Maybe Baez invisions himself cruising around Grand Cayman on a nice pleasure craft loaded with $ :shrug: (From the movie the Firm ;))

[DrewBerry]

the girl can't help it!

...compulsive lying is often a secondary impulse related to other personality disorders. Watch for narcissistic and/or manipulative behavior. Inappropriate emotions and impulsive reactions to situations can be another tip off that something is not quite right...

http://addiction.lovetoknow.com/wiki/symptoms_of_compulsive_liars

exactly!!

[beemer]

I am surprised NG is giving the MJ story so much attention. Wait till the results come from the autopsy and then discuss any criminal charges brought forth. Well La Toya confirmed my guess that someone would have a conspiracy theory. I'm just waiting for the Burger King sightings-that wont be for a bit :rolleyes:

[beemer]

I luv the fact that Liar just cant keep her mouth shut. Her life is dependant upon it-pardon that pun. I cant wait to hear more of her lies. I'm just glad there are 2 other folks to back up LP. As much as i got a kick out of him he did lose some credibility.

[DrewBerry]

Wait a minute!!!! It was 9:30 p.m. Now I really am suspicious. Who in the world let's a 10 year old girl walk four blocks by herself that late? When I was 12 I started babysitting for my next door neighbor and she always came out and watched me walk into my house and it was the very next house, less than 15 feet away. No one let's a little girl walk home, not even at 7 p.m. I cannot believe the mother knew she was going to be by herself that late. Something stinks here.

Gator

Hey, Gator. I hear ya. Her curfew was 10:00 PM!! On Lindsey's thread, some of us "reamed" the mother for being so irresponsible with curfew and not walking her child to and from her friend's home. Dumb-ass parents.
What is your theory, Gator. I've got nothing.
I live about an hour from the small town where she disappeared. Local news coverage has dwindled. No clues. Nothing to go on that LE is reporting, anyway. I know the father lives in Tennessee and made a plea for her safe return before he was deployed. There was a rumor that Lindsey had said at one point (not sure how long ago) that she wanted to run away to Tennessee to see her dad. Apparently, the parents have been divorced for about 2 yrs. and Lindsey hasn't seen him in over 1 yr. but they have regular phone contact. :confused:
How can a 10 yr. old be allowed to walk home (even though it was only 4 blocks) so late at night?! I'll say it again, Dumb-ass parents! Let me know what you're thinking. . .:shrug:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I am surprised NG is giving the MJ story so much attention. Wait till the results come from the autopsy and then discuss any criminal charges brought forth. Well La Toya confirmed my guess that someone would have a conspiracy theory. I'm just waiting for the Burger King sightings-that wont be for a bit :rolleyes:

Hi Beemer. I think NG's producers have jumped on the RATINGS wagon and that's why so much MJ coverage.
I also love that sis LaToya can't stop talking!
DrewB

[beemer]

Hi Beemer. I think NG's producers have jumped on the RATINGS wagon and that's why so much MJ coverage.
I also love that sis LaToya can't stop talking!
DrewB

Good day Drew :seeya: Yeah the more they talk the worse they look :D Gawd i just read Snoops update on that thread and i was so sorry to see the defense wants Tim Miller to testify. That must be killing him :mad:

[DrewBerry]

That was my interpretation.



Lindsey was with her (12-year-old?) brother and they had an argument. He left her to walk alone.

From what I understand, the argument happened BEFORE she arrived at her friend's house 4 blocks away. Lindsey was walking along and brother came along on his bike. They had a screaming match and a neighbor came outside and broke it up, telling the brother to head back home on his bike. IIRC, they argued over who could use the bike. I'll have to go back and read again.
This case is just as frustrating as Haleigh's but lacks the colorful characters (as of yet, anyway)!!
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe he's trying to slim down: http://www.firmdirect.com/firm/ecs/main/index.html

LMAO (Can you do that?!?!?!?!? Guess not or I'd be a rail! ) I've fallen asleep with the ubiquitous TV on and been rudely awakened by The Firm infomercials.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe Baez invisions himself cruising around Grand Cayman on a nice pleasure craft loaded with $ :shrug: (From the movie the Firm ;))

tehee Maybe when the jury and the rest of the world understands what happened and Casey is acquitted, G&C will give him the Bass On The Thing as a reward. :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

From what I understand, the argument happened BEFORE she arrived at her friend's house 4 blocks away. Lindsey was walking along and brother came along on his bike. They had a screaming match and a neighbor came outside and broke it up, telling the brother to head back home on his bike. IIRC, they argued over who could use the bike. I'll have to go back and read again.
This case is just as frustrating as Haleigh's but lacks the colorful characters (as of yet, anyway)!!
DrewB

Thanks for the clarification. Why any parent would allow such a late curfew for a young child is beyond me. Why any parent would allow a child to walk the streets alone in this day and age is also beyond me. The sleepover fell through and she was sent home? (Or do I have this confused with an episode of General Hospital?)

[beemer]

tehee Maybe when the jury and the rest of the world understands what happened and Casey is acquitted, G&C will give him the Bass On The Thing as a reward. :tongue:

LOL Yeah and Liar can wave at Baez while sunning herself on that Miami beach ;)

[beemer]

Thats twice today i have posted Baez instead of Bozo :shrug: Whats happening to me :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thats twice today i have posted Baez instead of Bozo :shrug: Whats happening to me :eek:

http://i25.tinypic.com/so1xnd.jpg
SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!!!

[JLette]

Thanks for the clarification. Why any parent would allow such a late curfew for a young child is beyond me. Why any parent would allow a child to walk the streets alone in this day and age is also beyond me. The sleepover fell through and she was sent home? (Or do I have this confused with an episode of General Hospital?)

what i read was that she was SUPPOSED to spend the night but the friend had not yet asked her parents or some such nonsense and the parents said "no". what i want to know is where they get off just sending her home like that. if i was responsible for someone elses child (which when they are at your house you are responsible for them ) i would never just send them off into the night to go home alone, i would drive them all the way. just me i guess :shrug:

[beemer]

http://i25.tinypic.com/so1xnd.jpg
SNAP OUT OF IT!!!!!!!

Ahhhh thanks Loretta I'm much better now. Musta zoned out or something :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

what i read was that she was SUPPOSED to spend the night but the friend had not yet asked her parents or some such nonsense and the parents said "no". what i want to know is where they get off just sending her home like that. if i was responsible for someone elses child (which when they are at your house you are responsible for them ) i would never just send them off into the night to go home alone, i would drive them all the way. just me i guess :shrug:

Not just you at all! I'm sure there are plenty of folks who are appalled, especially in light of the outcome. Just irresponsible and unforgivable (in my book).

[lorettalockhorn]

Ahhhh thanks Loretta I'm much better now. Musta zoned out or something :beer:

We've got to stay on task here! :patriot:

[One2Snoop]

I am surprised NG is giving the MJ story so much attention. Wait till the results come from the autopsy and then discuss any criminal charges brought forth. Well La Toya confirmed my guess that someone would have a conspiracy theory. I'm just waiting for the Burger King sightings-that wont be for a bit :rolleyes:


MJ and Elvis have already been spotted shopping together at Home Depot. ;) :patriot:

[Wagsy]

It's going to be interesting to see if Casey's dReam Team can come up with something a little more believable than Zanny the Nanny did it.

I do wonder what they're cooking up on the defense side now that they have a DP qualified lawyer/professor to bring in some new perspectives?!? IMO, I think all possible scenarios have already been covered by those on this board. :)

[SaraSidle]

Well, now she's in a pickle. And it's because not only is she a big liar, but she can't keep her fmouth shut!

From O2S post in the news update column:

...Padilla's employees routinely drove her to and from Baez's office. Padilla said Anthony was plenty chatty.

"She would drop little statements when she was being driven back when she was with Tracy," Padilla said...

...Defense lawyer Richard Hornsby said the agreements are worthless because Florida statutes do not allow attorneys and bail bondsmen to enter in to those types of confidentiality arrangements.

"Jose Baez should have never had a reasonable expectation that anything she said would be confidential or fall under the attorney client privilege and that's a big problem," Hornsby said. "He should have advised her right away -- don't say anything to anybody."...

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html

Not sure why Padilla, etal would sign an agreement if it's not valid, but I'm eagerly waiting for Strickland to rule on this business.

The motion including the agreement:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0717/20090880.pdf

LMAO@Baez referring to himself as The Firm and the FIRM. Does he think he's Tom Cruz? John Grisham?


Well I enjoyed JVM pickling me with 45 minutes of MJ and 15 of the Billings and no Casey.............sara and then NG (Who is not on) started with MJ so I am watching chopping block!!!!!!!!!

[Wagsy]

Thank you for making that call, Cindy.

Amen. What would things be like today for the Ants if not for that 911 call made in an emotional moment!

[JLette]

Amen. What would things be like today for the Ants if not for that 911 call made in an emotional moment!

Casey would be long gone....G and C would not have a boat, a daughter, a granddaughter, or a clue.....geez the thought is horrendous

[Wagsy]

What she said made about as much sense as saying the Minnie Mouse did it. There are thousands of excuses she could have used and she picks this one? The elevator does not go to the top floor. Or as some would say, about 5 fries short of a happy meal.


Of course, to the ones who are not familiar with things LE can use to find out truth or lies, her original story - not the park nabbing one - sounded pretty good until it was able to be picked apart. Now, with a daddy who was in LE, and a detective no less, wouldn't she have known to try to use a better alibi? Love your analogies of the elevator and happy meal. :D

[Wagsy]

Casey would be long gone....G and C would not have a boat, a daughter, a granddaughter, or a clue.....geez the thought is horrendous

Hi JLette :seeya:,

That thought is horrendous! But, I'm optimistic that crimes do catch up with those who commit them sometime or other. Maybe I spend too much time with my head in the sand...like my avatar! But do you suppose that with enough time, Cindy still might have been like a dog with a bone and not given up with not seeing her granddaughter ever again? Then things would have still panned out as they should have? Appreciate all thoughts and opinions - this is just mine!

[Gatordog]

what i read was that she was SUPPOSED to spend the night but the friend had not yet asked her parents or some such nonsense and the parents said "no". what i want to know is where they get off just sending her home like that. if i was responsible for someone elses child (which when they are at your house you are responsible for them ) i would never just send them off into the night to go home alone, i would drive them all the way. just me i guess :shrug:

That's exactly what I'm thinking. Who let's a child leave their house alone at that time? Two and two isn't coming up to four here. Reminds me of little Sandra from California. That woman who "allegedly" killed her also said she left her house. Yea, she left alright, inside a suitcase. :flamemad:

Gator

[beemer]

MJ and Elvis have already been spotted shopping together at Home Depot. ;) :patriot:

God Bless em Snoop-Elvis musta realized a steady diet of Burger King will kill ya :beer: Good to see ya pop in :seeya:

[beemer]

We've got to stay on task here! :patriot:
I am glad i can always count on you to bring me back to reality :D Whew i was worried for a minute :tongue:

[Wagsy]

I don't suppose the world is going to let him rest in peace. There will be specials and tabloid stories and things like that on and on and on and...... He will be "sighted" everywhere you turn. He and Elvis will be walking the streets of the country ad infinitum, never to be able to RIP. IMO

Amy,

I do so appreciate your insights into situations. I think you are so right about those who are 'stars' living on in the minds of the public in all kinds of forms. Does this mean that Casey will be a 'star' in her own right? It seems that C & G try to keep her in the limelight (yes, that puke green color ;)). Sorry, my puns aren't always the greatest! :cool:

[JLette]

Hi JLette :seeya:,

That thought is horrendous! But, I'm optimistic that crimes do catch up with those who commit them sometime or other. Maybe I spend too much time with my head in the sand...like my avatar! But do you suppose that with enough time, Cindy still might have been like a dog with a bone and not given up with not seeing her granddaughter ever again? Then things would have still panned out as they should have? Appreciate all thoughts and opinions - this is just mine!

well, it depends, if Casey had been able to make a clean break from all things Florida and started over in a different state then there would not have been much that Cyndi could do. she could have probably pulled it off completely given the distance between her and her mother. its scary but i think that she could have even kept Cyndi from calling police if Cyndi knew that she wasn't anywhere near her anymore, if Casey "had Caylee" out of state and just kept making excuses as to why grandma could not speak to her but she didn't tell her mom where she was, or if she did she gave her a different location as she was wont to do from time to time, then what would Cyndi have been able to tell police aside from "my ADULT daughter has left home with her child and won't let me talk to her anymore....this is where she said she is....." and when the police checked it out, either Casey was not even there or she was living under a different name or something.


wow, i think it is apparent i spend WAY TOO MUCH time thinking about this case, it just sticks right in my brain

[Wagsy]

I know i hear ya. I tend to agree with J's post back a bit. I dont think Liar expected C to call police. She could run that story across G&C and they would swallow it. She prolly planned to be dust in the wind by the time police where involved and much less of a chance of finding Caylee in her twisted mind. I wonder if they will go with the Zanny defense? What was that famous case where the defense asked a non existent or deceased person to enter the court room. Everyone turned and looked at the door. Defense then said there was a presumtion in everyone's mind that this person existed/alive ? And then they could add that we cant see air but we know it exists. That would be entertaining at best :D

:eek::eek::eek: Haaaa! Wouldn't that be something. As you can see, I'm playing catch-up and responding to back posts!!!

[Wagsy]

well, it depends, if Casey had been able to make a clean break from all things Florida and started over in a different state then there would not have been much that Cyndi could do. she could have probably pulled it off completely given the distance between her and her mother. its scary but i think that she could have even kept Cyndi from calling police if Cyndi knew that she wasn't anywhere near her anymore, if Casey "had Caylee" out of state and just kept making excuses as to why grandma could not speak to her but she didn't tell her mom where she was, or if she did she gave her a different location as she was wont to do from time to time, then what would Cyndi have been able to tell police aside from "my ADULT daughter has left home with her child and won't let me talk to her anymore....this is where she said she is....." and when the police checked it out, either Casey was not even there or she was living under a different name or something.


wow, i think it is apparent i spend WAY TOO MUCH time thinking about this case, it just sticks right in my brain
Wow - I think you have a good mind!!! Maybe I also spend too much time thinking about this case. But I do have questions so I throw them out there! I believe you are right in that Casey probably could have kept this from Cindy forever. I had forgotten that she is of a legal age and could come and go at will. Good answer!!

[JLette]

Wow - I think you have a good mind!!! Maybe I also spend too much time thinking about this case. But I do have questions so I throw them out there! I believe you are right in that Casey probably could have kept this from Cindy forever. I had forgotten that she is of a legal age and could come and go at will. Good answer!!

i have said before that i feel close to this case both because my family dynamic was much like Casey's and i believe that under the right circumstances i or one of my sisters could have been Casey, also Caylee was only 3 weeks older than my son, which touched me from the first

[Wagsy]

Maybe Baez invisions himself cruising around Grand Cayman on a nice pleasure craft loaded with $ :shrug: (From the movie the Firm ;))

Do you mean the assonthething with the A's aboard so Casey can go 'beaching' as soon as the trial is over? :punch:

[Wagsy]

i have said before that i feel close to this case both because my family dynamic was much like Casey's and i believe that under the right circumstances i or one of my sisters could have been Casey, also Caylee was only 3 weeks older than my son, which touched me from the first
Okay, now I understand your position better. Since I'm a newbie, I don't know a lot of these things. Thanks for the heads up. How many families these days are dsyfunctional like the A's and try to hide it too? We may never know.

[SaraSidle]

Maybe he's trying to slim down: http://www.firmdirect.com/firm/ecs/main/index.html

He might just do that on the stress alone of what he has gotten himself into. IMO sara

[JLette]

Okay, now I understand your position better. Since I'm a newbie, I don't know a lot of these things. Thanks for the heads up. How many families these days are dsyfunctional like the A's and try to hide it too? We may never know.

hahaha i have no idea, the very thought of that is staggering. my mother would rather the world explode in a firey ball than let the outside world in on her real side. i have known from a very young age that my mom is completely two faced. my younger sister as well, and we both play her sides in our favor when we can, because its all there is to do with her, my son even sees that she really doesn't care for him at all, and he uses her two sidedness to get things from her. we never would treat our father that way, but we also KNOW that he loves us as his children, not as something to show off or be ashamed of in public and ignore or berate in private

[SaraSidle]

I do wonder what they're cooking up on the defense side now that they have a DP qualified lawyer/professor to bring in some new perspectives?!? IMO, I think all possible scenarios have already been covered by those on this board. :)

after all the media I do not know how they can come up with anything else that would not sound suspicious if different from Zanny. Unless it is even more dark and secretive and Casey is still protecting her family.......sara imo

[Wagsy]

hahaha i have no idea, the very thought of that is staggering. my mother would rather the world explode in a firey ball than let the outside world in on her real side. i have known from a very young age that my mom is completely two faced. my younger sister as well, and we both play her sides in our favor when we can, because its all there is to do with her, my son even sees that she really doesn't care for him at all, and he uses her two sidedness to get things from her. we never would treat our father that way, but we also KNOW that he loves us as his children, not as something to show off or be ashamed of in public and ignore or berate in private

Oh how this hits home for me also. We knew Dad loved each one of us unconditionally but Mom had her favorites and I wasn't one of them so I guess I can claim a bit of understanding of how things might have been in the Anthony house too. My children knew who she liked and didn't like and couldn't understand it and I'm sorry they had to experience that when they were young (like Caylee) but now that they are both gone, the children are older and see that all humans have faults and failings and that they are not perfect themselves. I do really wish things had turned out so differently for little Caylee. :rose:

[Wagsy]

after all the media I do not know how they can come up with anything else that would not sound suspicious if different from Zanny. Unless it is even more dark and secretive and Casey is still protecting her family.......sara imo

Okay, care to expand on that? They've tried the different story of the kidnapping in the park and that didn't fly...what dark secrets are hiding and waiting to be exposed? Maybe I don't really want to know :chicken:

[SaraSidle]

Oh how this hits home for me also. We knew Dad loved each one of us unconditionally but Mom had her favorites and I wasn't one of them so I guess I can claim a bit of understanding of how things might have been in the Anthony house too. My children knew who she liked and didn't like and couldn't understand it and I'm sorry they had to experience that when they were young (like Caylee) but now that they are both gone, the children are older and see that all humans have faults and failings and that they are not perfect themselves. I do really wish things had turned out so differently for little Caylee. :rose:

You know for a while I thought it would have been good for Cindy to get custody but the more I see and read I am afraid little Caylee would have turned out to be just like Casey. Poor baby girl........IMO sara

[JLette]

Oh how this hits home for me also. We knew Dad loved each one of us unconditionally but Mom had her favorites and I wasn't one of them so I guess I can claim a bit of understanding of how things might have been in the Anthony house too. My children knew who she liked and didn't like and couldn't understand it and I'm sorry they had to experience that when they were young (like Caylee) but now that they are both gone, the children are older and see that all humans have faults and failings and that they are not perfect themselves. I do really wish things had turned out so differently for little Caylee. :rose:

exactly. there are many families like this our there i am sure, but not all of them are the right factors to create a Casey thank god

[BeastofBears]

Do you mean the assonthething with the A's aboard so Casey can go 'beaching' as soon as the trial is over? :punch:

Did someone say "beaching"? http://i26.tinypic.com/2cr37tw.png
durned pork rinds...

[lorettalockhorn]

well, it depends, if Casey had been able to make a clean break from all things Florida and started over in a different state then there would not have been much that Cyndi could do. she could have probably pulled it off completely given the distance between her and her mother. its scary but i think that she could have even kept Cyndi from calling police if Cyndi knew that she wasn't anywhere near her anymore, if Casey "had Caylee" out of state and just kept making excuses as to why grandma could not speak to her but she didn't tell her mom where she was, or if she did she gave her a different location as she was wont to do from time to time, then what would Cyndi have been able to tell police aside from "my ADULT daughter has left home with her child and won't let me talk to her anymore....this is where she said she is....." and when the police checked it out, either Casey was not even there or she was living under a different name or something.


wow, i think it is apparent i spend WAY TOO MUCH time thinking about this case, it just sticks right in my brain

It's hard not to think about this case what with Caylee being such an angel and the Ants being such conundrums. Then add the remoras and attention seeking wh0res who have attached themselves to the proceedings.

I do think at some point, Cindy would have asked LE to do a welfare check, but if Casey had made it out of state, it might have been impossible to perform, especially if Casey was only using her cellphone and had assumed a new identity, let's say maybe using the name Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. (kidding!)

And for the umpteenth time I've got to say that I will never understand why Cindy didn't involve LE earlier. I mean, sheesh. The woman couldn't sleep!

[Wagsy]

Did someone say "beaching"? http://i26.tinypic.com/2cr37tw.png
durned pork rinds...

I see I'm going to have to be more careful with my wording! So hilarious! Casey will probably want us to save that website quoted earlier for slimming down (in reference to Bozo). I noticed it even has a lapping ocean in the background! :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Do you mean the assonthething with the A's aboard so Casey can go 'beaching' as soon as the trial is over? :punch:

http://i28.tinypic.com/96axxu.jpg
Dateline Miami: Casey Anthony enjoys the beach after jury votes Not Guilty!

[JLette]

lmao :beer:

[BeastofBears]

I see I'm going to have to be more careful with my wording! So hilarious! Casey will probably want us to save that website quoted earlier for slimming down (in reference to Bozo). I noticed it even has a lapping ocean in the background! :biggrin:

I can't get over that news report (Enquirer, then NG iirc?) that Casey wanted the trial moved to Miami so she could go straight to the beach after her acquittal...wow, if true, someone is in a happy place.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did someone say "beaching"? http://i26.tinypic.com/2cr37tw.png
durned pork rinds...

LMAO I dragged in here late and thought the same thing you did! :beer:

[BeastofBears]

http://i28.tinypic.com/96axxu.jpg
Dateline Miami: Casey Anthony enjoys the beach after jury votes Not Guilty!

Hey Loretta!!!! Your Shamu is bigger than my Shamu! hahhahahhahahha!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Loretta!!!! Your Shamu is bigger than my Shamu! hahhahahhahahha!

Gulp. Prolly cause I'm retired and don't get enough exercise.

:D:hat::biggrin:

[Wagsy]

I can't get over that news report (Enquirer, then NG iirc?) that Casey wanted the trial moved to Miami so she could go straight to the beach after her acquittal...wow, if true, someone is in a happy place.
Wonder what all Bozo is carrying in his briefcase on visits to CA in jail? She seems to be in a happy place!

http://i32.tinypic.com/29d92de.jpg

Gotta' go...need to be up early in the mornin'. I'll go visit my "happy place" in my dreams. Nite! I'll see what's new on the CA thread tomorrow.

[wind149]

I caught a moment or two of Mike's show and Leonard was on there via broadband and apparently there is some crap going around that Bozo wants whatever conversations that he had with CA to be considered privledged info??? Since when does a chat with a bounty hunter who took it upon himself to bail her sorry ass out because he really thought if she was out of jail, she might tell where Caylee is, a matter of privacy?? I tell you that Bozo is bad news, and he is a lousy lawyer and I think down the road we are gonna see him disbarred and he is feeding her the idea that she is going to walk on the murder charge and be as free as a bird and I think it is gonna hit her hard when that jury says guilty and then the penalty phase where they say death sentence??? I do not want somewhere down the road, on an appeal, that a new lawyer finds some loophole or something Bozo did or did not do and uses it to set her free??? We all know this happens and in MI it just did.

Do any of you remember the Sharee Miller case? The piece of white trailer trash that marries a man who owned a salvage yard by the name of Bruce Miller? She only married him for money and because she is such a slutpuppy, she gets bored with him, but not his money and she knows if she just divorces him she will get nothing so she sets out to find a perfect patsy to help her get rid of Bruce, but not the money and she find one in Reno when she goes there on a Mary Kay convention, by the name of Jerry Cassaday a pit boss at a casino and they start this on-line romance and then it turns into a affair and she sends him porn videos starring herself and then she hatches this plan to tell Jerry she is pregnant with his baby and even sends an old sonogram of one of her kids and this man thinks he hit the lottery as this woman would do anything, and I mean anything in the bedroom and now she is having his baby???

Then she ruins that illusion by telling this foolish man that Bruce kicked her in the stomach and she lost their baby and sends him pics of her with bruises on her chest and stomach and all it is is makeup and then when she has him hooked, game, set and match, she tells him she is preggers again with twins, but that Bruce knows they are not his and he get this, "rapes her so bad, she loses these babies too" Now old Jerry goes berserk!!! And she sets the trap by telling him that Bruce has got even more abusive and that he threatened to kill her if she left him and this guy Bruce was one of the nicest guys around, he took this slampig and her kids in, gives the kids the first stable home they ever had because mama was too much of a slutbag to care for them properly and now she wants him dead for his money and poor, poor sucker Jerry, drives to MI, goes to Bruce's yard and shoots him dead. Now this was planned right out and then the skank calls Bruce's brother claiming she can't reach him and he goes there and finds his brother dead. Now the Mt Morris PD thinks it is a robbery gone bad as money was taken but that was all a ruse to make the cops think that and now Jerry here thinks he can now have his "little princess" to himself and nothing could be further than the truth. She gets all of Bruce's money, house and business because this naive trusting man really thought she loved him and then refuses to take Jerry's calls and tells him not to come out to MI and he moves to Kansas City and realizes that he has been played.

Within weeks of the murder this slutbucket has hooked up with a delivery man and he is sharing her bed and all that money!! Jerry commits suicide by eating his gun and this man, at one time was a cop and he figured out that he would get life in prison and that he was never going to have Sharee and blew his brains out. He left behind in a briefcase a confession letter which his brother finds when he goes to get his personal effects and calls the KCPD and they call MSP and they fly out to KC and get the letter and they arrest **** coming off a plane and she is tried for second degree murder and conspiracy and is found guilty and was sentenced to life plus 52 years and this happened in 2000 and all of a sudden this piece of dog crap is getting a new trial because she conned her male lawyer into doing her bidding, this ugly b*tch has one hell of an effect on men and he got a female federal judge to say that Jerry's suicide note should never have been entered as evidence in her first trial and she was due to walk out of Scott prison today, but the DA of Genessee County was not about to let this slutpuppy out free and she was moved to their jail, and he formally re-charged her today with the same charges and it does not look like she will be out on bail and guess what!

Last year, this not too very bright guy saw an episode of "SNAPPED" and thought she just looked so sad and he loved her eyes and this moron wrote her a letter and of course she let this guy come see her, her type all the way, older and stupid and he marries this skank!!! Now we all know this loser totally believes she is as innocent as a lamb, and when asked about what she did, especially those slutty videos she took of herself masturbating, he said that,. that was her then, she had to do what she did because Bruce was hurting her??? Bruce never even raised his voice at her, allowed her to be a Mary Kay representative even when she traveled and gave her and the kids anything they wanted and if I had met Bruce I would have thought I died and went to heaven! Not this loser trailer trash, she only saw dollar signs and how to get it without having to stay with him and I am confident that she will be sent back for the rest of her life again because this case horrified all of MI and across the country! The lengths she went through to get rid of Bruce, like he did not matter, his life meant nothing to her so why the F*CK should she be able to get out and be with the new hubby?

She would use him too if she got free and I don't think this fool has money, but she would find something she can use him for on the outside. I imagine he sends her (GAG) love letters, and you know he sends her money, and he is a big fool, but I hope she does not do to him what she did when she destroyed two men who really loved this slutbucket but he is a big boy. I loathe her with all I am because of how she just devious she was, she convinced a man who used to be a cop, that her husband abused her and beat a baby out of her and then told him Bruce raped her and that is how she lost the two? This skank had her tubes tied, THANK GOD! She is as bad as Pam Smart and like Pam she should never get out and I pray that the jury this time around will see her for the loser piece of trash that she is and send her back to the pokey. As it stands, her earliest parole date is 2055 when she is 83 and her hubby is 103 so they will never live together, but apparently it is OK with that moron, he LIVES for visiting day!!! Some people are their own downfalls and this guy is headed for a fall! I am willing to bet he ain't the only man in her life, she probably has other suckers to send her stuff and this idiot does not have a clue!!

[Amy]

Now we're finally getting somewhere with the doc dumps -- Baez filed a motion to stop any further information from being released. Padilla and Tracy's police statements are due to be released at the end of this month. Baez said Padilla was working for him and he can't divulge anything due to client priviledge. Padilla working for Baez, right. Padilla is going to like that one. :D

http://www.wesh.com/news/20079093/detail.html


OT - wow, those are some shoes. Perhaps you should ask Mr. Beemer how he likes them. :tongue:

Gator

Jose needs to pay attention to detail, if you ask me (I know you didn't, but I'll spout off anyway, lol.) Padilla posting bond for Casey does NOT mean he works for anyone, not even Casey. If the A's had posted bond, would that have made THEM working for Jose?

Just like the D Casey thing. D Casey was poking about in the woods several months AFTER his contract with Jose had expired or was closed, whatever it was called. So, whatever D Casey was doing and whatever he found was NOT "work product" for Jose, for pete's sake!!!! I caught that one when he first said it, and I'm not a lawyer and have never played one on TV. I've never even read a darn law book--it just takes a few chips of common sense.

[lorettalockhorn]

I caught a moment or two of Mike's show and Leonard was on there via broadband and apparently there is some crap going around that Bozo wants whatever conversations that he had with CA to be considered privledged info??? Since when does a chat with a bounty hunter who took it upon himself to bail her sorry ass out because he really thought if she was out of jail, she might tell where Caylee is, a matter of privacy?? I tell you that Bozo is bad news, and he is a lousy lawyer and I think down the road we are gonna see him disbarred and he is feeding her the idea that she is going to walk on the murder charge and be as free as a bird and I think it is gonna hit her hard when that jury says guilty and then the penalty phase where they say death sentence??? I do not want somewhere down the road, on an appeal, that a new lawyer finds some loophole or something Bozo did or did not do and uses it to set her free??? We all know this happens and in MI it just did.

Do any of you remember the Sharee Miller case?

...she probably has other suckers to send her stuff and this idiot does not have a clue!!

Wind, if you read the motion you'll see that it also sports Andrea Lyon's name, although only Bozo signed it. I guess everything from here on out will have her John Hancock on it, but I'll assume that despite information to the contrary, she thinks this "contract" with Padilla is going to constitute privilege.

Just recently heard of the Miller case. Chilling! She's manipulative just like Casey. Or worse. And I guess collects the commissary bucks, just like Casey.

[lorettalockhorn]

Jose needs to pay attention to detail, if you ask me (I know you didn't, but I'll spout off anyway, lol.) Padilla posting bond for Casey does NOT mean he works for anyone, not even Casey. If the A's had posted bond, would that have made THEM working for Jose?

Just like the D Casey thing. D Casey was poking about in the woods several months AFTER his contract with Jose had expired or was closed, whatever it was called. So, whatever D Casey was doing and whatever he found was NOT "work product" for Jose, for pete's sake!!!! I caught that one when he first said it, and I'm not a lawyer and have never played one on TV. I've never even read a darn law book--it just takes a few chips of common sense.

From what I could tell reading the contract, it only specifies that Padilla and Co. can't record Casey, keep her from having contact with The Firm, etc. There is nothing that even resembles a privileged relationship or that Padilla is in his employ. Baez is a bozo.

[beemer]

Do you mean the assonthething with the A's aboard so Casey can go 'beaching' as soon as the trial is over? :punch:
Oh yeah and beer-they need beer :beer:

[beemer]

I can't get over that news report (Enquirer, then NG iirc?) that Casey wanted the trial moved to Miami so she could go straight to the beach after her acquittal...wow, if true, someone is in a happy place.
I know and i cant wait for another Grrrrrr moment when she is sentenced and reality hits. She will shat herself :D Luv the beached whale bob ;)

[lighthousedazy]

I know and i cant wait for another Grrrrrr moment when she is sentenced and reality hits. She will shat herself :D Luv the beached whale bob ;)And I definitely hope she is going to be the beached whale. No insult to these beautiful animals is intended. :rose:

[One2Snoop]

God Bless em Snoop-Elvis musta realized a steady diet of Burger King will kill ya :beer: Good to see ya pop in :seeya:

ITA! Just an FYI...

I have a serious problem with ADD (no lie) and if I'm not engaged on a daily basis I lose interest in the conversation, not necessarily the case. I get burned out long before everyone else - ask me a research question and most likely I'll know where to find it or I'll spend the time to find it for you. That's just me!


I don't want you guys to think I've abandoned you because that's not the case. I read everyone's posts every single day whether I agree with it or not and you'll certainly hear from me if I don't agree, guaranteed...

Wooohooo keep up the good conversations - Just stopping in to say hello :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Good to see you One! http://i40.tinypic.com/ir5axe.jpg

[Nawny]

Finally some info coming. Mr. Beemer says I likey :D I may have to print,cut and tape em too my feet if i dont find any :beer:

Roaring laughing!!!!!!!!!!! :seeya:

[Nawny]

Wow - I think you have a good mind!!! Maybe I also spend too much time thinking about this case. But I do have questions so I throw them out there! I believe you are right in that Casey probably could have kept this from Cindy forever. I had forgotten that she is of a legal age and could come and go at will. Good answer!!

You're both right IMO. Cindy foiled her plan. She should have gotten out of Dodge, but she couldn't resist partying that month. Besides the fact that she's lazy and had zero survival skills.

[Marian Paroo]

wow, i think it is apparent i spend WAY TOO MUCH time thinking about this case, it just sticks right in my brain

I understand the part about having a case on the brain -- mine is the Haleigh Cummings case. :(

[Nawny]

Good Morning to you, Nawny! :seeya:

You have a wonderful perspective on MJ. I was not so gracious in my thoughts or feelings. You are so right about the best things in life are truly free. I guess most of us would just like to have the big amounts of money to be able to pay the bills and not worry in life about what is coming down the pike for us to pay for next. I wouldn't care to have the fame and recognition either. I can be a recluse without having to!! :tongue: My final thought is that he be able to RIP now wherever he is too. Thanks for giving me new insight.

Hi Wags! Its really nice to have you here! :seeya:

I'm just a nobody but I'm a somebody to those I love and who love me. I have a firm belief that we don't really die. No matter how much fan fare goes on here about MJ or anyone, after death they are free and aware but unaffected by the sorrows they lived with. Hell is often paved with fame and fortune. But I believe hell is inside of people, not outside. He was quite broken. The world thanks him for the entertainment, but did they really care about him? I suppose the world is desperate for an icon lately. :shrug:


Anyway, he didn't pay his bills either. ;)

[beemer]

ITA! Just an FYI...

I have a serious problem with ADD (no lie) and if I'm not engaged on a daily basis I lose interest in the conversation, not necessarily the case. I get burned out long before everyone else - ask me a research question and most likely I'll know where to find it or I'll spend the time to find it for you. That's just me!


I don't want you guys to think I've abandoned you because that's not the case. I read everyone's posts every single day whether I agree with it or not and you'll certainly hear from me if I don't agree, guaranteed...

Wooohooo keep up the good conversations - Just stopping in to say hello :seeya:

You are sooooo good at research too-I wish i had your nack. I am glad u are here with us everyday Snoop. Thanks for all your good work. Your the best :seeya:

[beemer]

I understand the part about having a case on the brain -- mine is the Haleigh Cummings case. :(

I followed that one too Marion. It got so convoluted for me my brain hurt. I think about the time the Nay Nay and the whomever else came on the scene LOL I still pop in and follow as best i can. I hope they solve it but it sure aint looking good :rose:

[beemer]

Hi Wags! Its really nice to have you here! :seeya:

I'm just a nobody but I'm a somebody to those I love and who love me. I have a firm belief that we don't really die. No matter how much fan fare goes on here about MJ or anyone, after death they are free and aware but unaffected by the sorrows they lived with. Hell is often paved with fame and fortune. But I believe hell is inside of people, not outside. He was quite broken. The world thanks him for the entertainment, but did they really care about him? I suppose the world is desperate for an icon lately. :shrug:


Anyway, he didn't pay his bills either. ;)
We love you here too Nawny-your a mentor :rose: Good post :beer:

[BeastofBears]

I understand the part about having a case on the brain -- mine is the Haleigh Cummings case. :(

Somebody's getting away with murder, there:(

[BeastofBears]

Here's a similar scenario: woman asphyxiated with duct tape, a crucifix taped to her mouth! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533680,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r4:c0 .178062:b26515422:z0

I wonder if there's some kind of special pathology for killers who suffocate with tape, then stick a momento of some kind to the mouth? Creepy.

[beemer]

Here's a similar scenario: woman asphyxiated with duct tape, a crucifix taped to her mouth! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533680,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r4:c0 .178062:b26515422:z0

I wonder if there's some kind of special pathology for killers who suffocate with tape, then stick a momento of some kind to the mouth? Creepy.
I agree Bob-I believe it to be very symbolic to the killer. Certainly tells one from the get go it's not a random kill. Personal relationship between the killer and victim.

[SaraSidle]

You are sooooo good at research too-I wish i had your nack. I am glad u are here with us everyday Snoop. Thanks for all your good work. Your the best :seeya:

What she said O2S. thank you for everything......sara

[SaraSidle]

Here's a similar scenario: woman asphyxiated with duct tape, a crucifix taped to her mouth! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533680,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r4:c0 .178062:b26515422:z0

I wonder if there's some kind of special pathology for killers who suffocate with tape, then stick a momento of some kind to the mouth? Creepy.

I agree. this cannot be a coincidence. Only 2 times I have heard of now. I wonder what a forensic psych would say??? sara

[BeastofBears]

This might be a dumb question, but does the fact that Baez paid off the Amy Huizenga fraud money to B of A mean that there will be no prosecution of that?

[BeastofBears]

I agree. this cannot be a coincidence. Only 2 times I have heard of now. I wonder what a forensic psych would say??? sara

It almost feels to me like replacing the victim's words or thoughts with something else...if that makes sense.

[SaraSidle]

It almost feels to me like replacing the victim's words or thoughts with something else...if that makes sense.

What about controlling them or stopping them with something the victims care about? Anger there.........IMo sara

[Marian Paroo]

Didn't Casey used to put a sticker like that on the pets she buried?

I see the killer with the cross more of someone with religious mania than a perp of a hate crime. Although that is a possibility. Like the way some goons leave nooses in African American neighborhoods.

[Nawny]

well, it depends, if Casey had been able to make a clean break from all things Florida and started over in a different state then there would not have been much that Cyndi could do. she could have probably pulled it off completely given the distance between her and her mother. its scary but i think that she could have even kept Cyndi from calling police if Cyndi knew that she wasn't anywhere near her anymore, if Casey "had Caylee" out of state and just kept making excuses as to why grandma could not speak to her but she didn't tell her mom where she was, or if she did she gave her a different location as she was wont to do from time to time, then what would Cyndi have been able to tell police aside from "my ADULT daughter has left home with her child and won't let me talk to her anymore....this is where she said she is....." and when the police checked it out, either Casey was not even there or she was living under a different name or something.


wow, i think it is apparent i spend WAY TOO MUCH time thinking about this case, it just sticks right in my brain

J you're a normal minded individual and for you, this skank's actions are unprocessable (is that a word?) IMO. You can't imagine the scenario that probably took place. She was a young energetic mother, not crippled (literally anyway) She could have gotten out of the situation Cindy had her in, left the state, raised her child and Cindy could do nothing about it. I agree with you. There is a solution to every problem and any good mother with a normal brain could have found the solution. So many mothers have found new ways of saving themselves and their children from horrific control freaks. Some had more than one child and the majority had no man to help them. Casey found Caylee dispensable. Cindy found out no one controls another human being. Fact.

The only thing that saves the day in any situation is LOVE. None there. All ego driven behaviors in that house. IMO

[Nawny]

It's hard not to think about this case what with Caylee being such an angel and the Ants being such conundrums. Then add the remoras and attention seeking wh0res who have attached themselves to the proceedings.

I do think at some point, Cindy would have asked LE to do a welfare check, but if Casey had made it out of state, it might have been impossible to perform, especially if Casey was only using her cellphone and had assumed a new identity, let's say maybe using the name Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. (kidding!)

And for the umpteenth time I've got to say that I will never understand why Cindy didn't involve LE earlier. I mean, sheesh. The woman couldn't sleep!

I hear that loretta! Somehow, deep inside perhaps Ms Cindy knew there was no more Caylee very early on. She is a Denial Pro. What ever did happen that night dummy left that house, had to be very bad. I'm still confused as to when she left the house. Not sure if she left that Father's day night, or the next day or both.

[Nawny]

I caught a moment or two of Mike's show and Leonard was on there via broadband and apparently there is some crap going around that Bozo wants whatever conversations that he had with CA to be considered privledged info??? Since when does a chat with a bounty hunter who took it upon himself to bail her sorry ass out because he really thought if she was out of jail, she might tell where Caylee is, a matter of privacy?? I tell you that Bozo is bad news, and he is a lousy lawyer and I think down the road we are gonna see him disbarred and he is feeding her the idea that she is going to walk on the murder charge and be as free as a bird and I think it is gonna hit her hard when that jury says guilty and then the penalty phase where they say death sentence??? I do not want somewhere down the road, on an appeal, that a new lawyer finds some loophole or something Bozo did or did not do and uses it to set her free??? We all know this happens and in MI it just did.

Do any of you remember the Sharee Miller case? The piece of white trailer trash that marries a man who owned a salvage yard by the name of Bruce Miller? She only married him for money and because she is such a slutpuppy, she gets bored with him, but not his money and she knows if she just divorces him she will get nothing so she sets out to find a perfect patsy to help her get rid of Bruce, but not the money and she find one in Reno when she goes there on a Mary Kay convention, by the name of Jerry Cassaday a pit boss at a casino and they start this on-line romance and then it turns into a affair and she sends him porn videos starring herself and then she hatches this plan to tell Jerry she is pregnant with his baby and even sends an old sonogram of one of her kids and this man thinks he hit the lottery as this woman would do anything, and I mean anything in the bedroom and now she is having his baby???

Then she ruins that illusion by telling this foolish man that Bruce kicked her in the stomach and she lost their baby and sends him pics of her with bruises on her chest and stomach and all it is is makeup and then when she has him hooked, game, set and match, she tells him she is preggers again with twins, but that Bruce knows they are not his and he get this, "rapes her so bad, she loses these babies too" Now old Jerry goes berserk!!! And she sets the trap by telling him that Bruce has got even more abusive and that he threatened to kill her if she left him and this guy Bruce was one of the nicest guys around, he took this slampig and her kids in, gives the kids the first stable home they ever had because mama was too much of a slutbag to care for them properly and now she wants him dead for his money and poor, poor sucker Jerry, drives to MI, goes to Bruce's yard and shoots him dead. Now this was planned right out and then the skank calls Bruce's brother claiming she can't reach him and he goes there and finds his brother dead. Now the Mt Morris PD thinks it is a robbery gone bad as money was taken but that was all a ruse to make the cops think that and now Jerry here thinks he can now have his "little princess" to himself and nothing could be further than the truth. She gets all of Bruce's money, house and business because this naive trusting man really thought she loved him and then refuses to take Jerry's calls and tells him not to come out to MI and he moves to Kansas City and realizes that he has been played.

Within weeks of the murder this slutbucket has hooked up with a delivery man and he is sharing her bed and all that money!! Jerry commits suicide by eating his gun and this man, at one time was a cop and he figured out that he would get life in prison and that he was never going to have Sharee and blew his brains out. He left behind in a briefcase a confession letter which his brother finds when he goes to get his personal effects and calls the KCPD and they call MSP and they fly out to KC and get the letter and they arrest **** coming off a plane and she is tried for second degree murder and conspiracy and is found guilty and was sentenced to life plus 52 years and this happened in 2000 and all of a sudden this piece of dog crap is getting a new trial because she conned her male lawyer into doing her bidding, this ugly b*tch has one hell of an effect on men and he got a female federal judge to say that Jerry's suicide note should never have been entered as evidence in her first trial and she was due to walk out of Scott prison today, but the DA of Genessee County was not about to let this slutpuppy out free and she was moved to their jail, and he formally re-charged her today with the same charges and it does not look like she will be out on bail and guess what!

Last year, this not too very bright guy saw an episode of "SNAPPED" and thought she just looked so sad and he loved her eyes and this moron wrote her a letter and of course she let this guy come see her, her type all the way, older and stupid and he marries this skank!!! Now we all know this loser totally believes she is as innocent as a lamb, and when asked about what she did, especially those slutty videos she took of herself masturbating, he said that,. that was her then, she had to do what she did because Bruce was hurting her??? Bruce never even raised his voice at her, allowed her to be a Mary Kay representative even when she traveled and gave her and the kids anything they wanted and if I had met Bruce I would have thought I died and went to heaven! Not this loser trailer trash, she only saw dollar signs and how to get it without having to stay with him and I am confident that she will be sent back for the rest of her life again because this case horrified all of MI and across the country! The lengths she went through to get rid of Bruce, like he did not matter, his life meant nothing to her so why the F*CK should she be able to get out and be with the new hubby?

She would use him too if she got free and I don't think this fool has money, but she would find something she can use him for on the outside. I imagine he sends her (GAG) love letters, and you know he sends her money, and he is a big fool, but I hope she does not do to him what she did when she destroyed two men who really loved this slutbucket but he is a big boy. I loathe her with all I am because of how she just devious she was, she convinced a man who used to be a cop, that her husband abused her and beat a baby out of her and then told him Bruce raped her and that is how she lost the two? This skank had her tubes tied, THANK GOD! She is as bad as Pam Smart and like Pam she should never get out and I pray that the jury this time around will see her for the loser piece of trash that she is and send her back to the pokey. As it stands, her earliest parole date is 2055 when she is 83 and her hubby is 103 so they will never live together, but apparently it is OK with that moron, he LIVES for visiting day!!! Some people are their own downfalls and this guy is headed for a fall! I am willing to bet he ain't the only man in her life, she probably has other suckers to send her stuff and this idiot does not have a clue!!

I do remember that one Wind! Think she was a bit narcissistic??? The only thing she loved was her own reflection. IMO That was one of the most horrible crimes I've ever seen. She murdered two people by proxy. But the thing that gets me is: Her lover left information before he killed himself which means to me that he was suspicious of her. That stuff got her hung. He wasn't as dumb as she thought. Her husband was a workaholic. She had all the toys but he wasn't paying attention to her. Boooo hoooo. When in a relationship with a narcissist, you WILL PAY ATTENTION! YAYUS! He should have married a grown up.

[Nawny]

We love you here too Nawny-your a mentor :rose: Good post :beer:

Awww,, blushing.. we love you too dolly face. I look for your words every day! You are the one who reminds me that everything is good! :)


Here here! :beer:

[Nawny]

Somebody's getting away with murder, there:(

Planned confusion I think!

[Nawny]

Here's a similar scenario: woman asphyxiated with duct tape, a crucifix taped to her mouth! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533680,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r4:c0 .178062:b26515422:z0

I wonder if there's some kind of special pathology for killers who suffocate with tape, then stick a momento of some kind to the mouth? Creepy.

Whoa!!! Nothing is safe anymore? She was a cleaning lady for Pete's sake! Can't work, use an elevator, make a living? Sheesh! (Hmmm, unless of course they were involved somehow with each other) Maybe she cracked a joke he didn't like? Maybe he was a racist?

Ya never know who you're talking to in NYC. :eek: I saw a man talking to a garbage can in Manhattan. But I also see a guy walk past my house who sings. He sings good too! I just don't know who he's singing to. Well I can't see the person anyway. I am positive he does. :)

[Nawny]

I agree Bob-I believe it to be very symbolic to the killer. Certainly tells one from the get go it's not a random kill. Personal relationship between the killer and victim.

Yep! I didn't see this post befoer I wrote the same thing. They had to know each other.IMO

[Nawny]

hahaha i have no idea, the very thought of that is staggering. my mother would rather the world explode in a firey ball than let the outside world in on her real side. i have known from a very young age that my mom is completely two faced. my younger sister as well, and we both play her sides in our favor when we can, because its all there is to do with her, my son even sees that she really doesn't care for him at all, and he uses her two sidedness to get things from her. we never would treat our father that way, but we also KNOW that he loves us as his children, not as something to show off or be ashamed of in public and ignore or berate in private

Most of us understand to some degree what dysfunctional is. I want to know what FUNCTIONAL is. The only way to repair the damage done to us in childhood is to not let history repeat itself in our own little families. There is hope there. Like a scripture reminds us, "Forgive them, they know not what they do" The most difficult obstacle in the lives of those who have been hurt by the one they adore the most, is the feeling they give you that you are worthless. Our children know that is not true.

When we become mothers ourselves, there are little people who need us desperately and love us unconditionally as they grow to be adults who find us very worthy. That's the bottom line for me and the most important line. Old tapes; Eff that noise!

The central lie is that we have no value. That is sickness put upon us by someone who felt worthless herself. It took me years to understand that and accept it. It's a small mountain, I climbed it.


Let's rock and roll! Life is beautiful and love is beautiful! :) :rose: And ya know what else? It isn't raining here in New England today! YET! :seeya:

[BeastofBears]

What about controlling them or stopping them with something the victims care about? Anger there.........IMo sara

good thought!

[beemer]

Yes good thought there Sara. In my mind seal it with a kiss-the kiss of death if that makes any sense :shrug: For some reason i picture Liar smiling after putting that heart sticker on the tape. The final act :flamemad:

[Nawny]

Yes good thought there Sara. In my mind seal it with a kiss-the kiss of death if that makes any sense :shrug: For some reason i picture Liar smiling after putting that heart sticker on the tape. The final act :flamemad:

Ah! I thought it was me Beemer! I had the same thought about that final act, that brain zap moment when she felt very justified in deleting her kid. Not to say she ever didn't feel justified. I do think that when she saw that they found Caylee's remains, she got a jolt of reality and her reaction was not grief either. It was concern for herself. My problem is, How did she not know they would find the child so close to home? Why did she believe it was never going to be brought out that the items from the house would pin it on her? And last but not least, who the hell believes they can get away with murder?

I surmise that she is blaming her arrest on mommy dearest. All the way! And is furious that they didn't bail her out. Well, actually if Cindy didn't call the police that night.. heh.

[beemer]

[QUOTE=Nawny;9204474]Ah! I thought it was me Beemer! I had the same thought about that final act, that brain zap moment when she felt very justified in deleting her kid. Not to say she ever didn't feel justified. I do think that when she saw that they found Caylee's remains, she got a jolt of reality and her reaction was not grief either. It was concern for herself. My problem is, How did she not know they would find the child so close to home? Why did she believe it was never going to be brought out that the items from the house would pin it on her? And last but not least, who the hell believes they can get away with murder?

I surmise that she is blaming her arrest on mommy dearest. All the way! And is furious that they didn't bail her out. Well, actually if Cindy didn't call the police that night.. heh.[/QUOTE
Well in my opine sara thats the beauty of a socio-everyone will believe ME nobody will find the body etc. etc. Remember way back it was u and i that had the opine that G&C might be next? Liar is really off the charts with her beliefs-even for a socio. I think that is due partly to being such an accomplished Liar that was nutrured by those who let her off with her lies.

[SaraSidle]

Whoa!!! Nothing is safe anymore? She was a cleaning lady for Pete's sake! Can't work, use an elevator, make a living? Sheesh! (Hmmm, unless of course they were involved somehow with each other) Maybe she cracked a joke he didn't like? Maybe he was a racist?

Ya never know who you're talking to in NYC. :eek: I saw a man talking to a garbage can in Manhattan. But I also see a guy walk past my house who sings. He sings good too! I just don't know who he's singing to. Well I can't see the person anyway. I am positive he does. :)

I am thinking maybe he was spurned by her. Rejection maybe.
Nawny I lived in a house near halfway houses for schizophrenics and a man walked by our house every day repeating "fik" "fik" "fik". I met his social worker and she said he does that to keep the voices in his head away. LOL
whatever works.

I know some think that Caylee's mouth was taped to keep her quiet and maybe the heart was some kind of sick representation of love. :shrug:sara

[SaraSidle]

Yes good thought there Sara. In my mind seal it with a kiss-the kiss of death if that makes any sense :shrug: For some reason i picture Liar smiling after putting that heart sticker on the tape. The final act :flamemad:

Yeah beemer. And that sticker is one of the biggest reasons I left the computer for a while before I got sick. It bothers me know but not like it did. It is almost like something a serial killer would do in my mind. They like rituals. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

[QUOTE=Nawny;9204474]Ah! I thought it was me Beemer! I had the same thought about that final act, that brain zap moment when she felt very justified in deleting her kid. Not to say she ever didn't feel justified. I do think that when she saw that they found Caylee's remains, she got a jolt of reality and her reaction was not grief either. It was concern for herself. My problem is, How did she not know they would find the child so close to home? Why did she believe it was never going to be brought out that the items from the house would pin it on her? And last but not least, who the hell believes they can get away with murder?

I surmise that she is blaming her arrest on mommy dearest. All the way! And is furious that they didn't bail her out. Well, actually if Cindy didn't call the police that night.. heh.[/QUOTE
Well in my opine sara thats the beauty of a socio-everyone will believe ME nobody will find the body etc. etc. Remember way back it was u and i that had the opine that G&C might be next? Liar is really off the charts with her beliefs-even for a socio. I think that is due partly to being such an accomplished Liar that was nutrured by those who let her off with her lies.

And I still hold that thought as a possibility that had entered her mind at some point as part of her plan. Making room for Amy in that big house with G&C gone. what a fantasy there..........IMO sara

[beemer]

I know it was hard on ya sara. Glad you took the time to re-group. Sorry that you had to do it while sick. Yeah i have a client who says pussy-really loud-man i hate that word!!! It took me a long time of reminding but he did learn to finally attach the word cat to it :eek:

[SaraSidle]

I know it was hard on ya sara. Glad you took the time to re-group. Sorry that you had to do it while sick. Yeah i have a client who says pussy-really loud-man i hate that word!!! It took me a long time of reminding but he did learn to finally attach the word cat to it :eek:

Oh no Beemer That is bad. I went to our psych ward at the state facility and there was a man saying f all the time but it did not bother me since I was just taking a tour and not working there thank goodness. I cannot believe you got the cat word in there. That would be very difficult and I am impressed !!!!:) The smilies are back too.... sara

[DrewBerry]

[/B]

I hear that loretta! Somehow, deep inside perhaps Ms Cindy knew there was no more Caylee very early on. She is a Denial Pro. What ever did happen that night dummy left that house, had to be very bad. I'm still confused as to when she left the house. Not sure if she left that Father's day night, or the next day or both.


Hello you two!
I will always struggle with the fact that Ms. Grinch waited, worried, and lost sleep but DID NOT CALL POLICE!! Denial may help avoid feeling guilty for only so long. I don't want to let ol' Georgie off the hook, either. If he is in fact former LE, why DIDN"T HE CALL POLICE! Oh, we know the answer to that one. Cindy wouldn't LET him!! What a bunch of sorry ass people. :flamemad:
I think she left early morning.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Most of us understand to some degree what dysfunctional is. I want to know what FUNCTIONAL is. The only way to repair the damage done to us in childhood is to not let history repeat itself in our own little families. There is hope there. Like a scripture reminds us, "Forgive them, they know not what they do" The most difficult obstacle in the lives of those who have been hurt by the one they adore the most, is the feeling they give you that you are worthless. Our children know that is not true.

When we become mothers ourselves, there are little people who need us desperately and love us unconditionally as they grow to be adults who find us very worthy. That's the bottom line for me and the most important line. Old tapes; Eff that noise!

The central lie is that we have no value. That is sickness put upon us by someone who felt worthless herself. It took me years to understand that and accept it. It's a small mountain, I climbed it.


Let's rock and roll! Life is beautiful and love is beautiful! :) :rose: And ya know what else? It isn't raining here in New England today! YET! :seeya:

Ah, Nawny. You hit the nail on the head, again. Shame-based messages we receive very early on are crazy makin'! Took me 40+ years to climb that mountain. Glad you did, too!

OT: By the way, still no rain in sunny Seattle! It's been record heat and dry since May. From my back yard, I can see beautiful Mount Rainier in all her glory today. Check out pics online when you get a min.
Have a great Sunday!:seeya:
DrewB

[Gatordog]

Hello you two!
I will always struggle with the fact that Ms. Grinch waited, worried, and lost sleep but DID NOT CALL POLICE!! Denial may help avoid feeling guilty for only so long. I don't want to let ol' Georgie off the hook, either. If he is in fact former LE, why DIDN"T HE CALL POLICE! Oh, we know the answer to that one. Cindy wouldn't LET him!! What a bunch of sorry ass people. :flamemad:
I think she left early morning.
DrewB

In no way am I defending anyone but what would the police do? The Liar was of age, she had sole custody of her child. She was communicating and didn't seem to be in distress. What should have been done was that G&c should have gone to the Department of Children's Services and request temporary guardianship and have them investigate their daughter.

[deacon]

Here's a similar scenario: woman asphyxiated with duct tape, a crucifix taped to her mouth! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533680,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r4:c0 .178062:b26515422:z0

I wonder if there's some kind of special pathology for killers who suffocate with tape, then stick a momento of some kind to the mouth? Creepy.

A very cruel way of murder. Very personal too. Horror in the eyes as they die, I would imagine. That alone should be special cricumstances.

[deacon]

I agree. this cannot be a coincidence. Only 2 times I have heard of now. I wonder what a forensic psych would say??? sara

It happened in SC a long time ago. A young girl kidnapped and killed with duct tape over the mouth and nose. Killer's name, Larry Gene Bell. He will not kill again. He was one of the last to sit in "sparky" here.

[deacon]

J you're a normal minded individual and for you, this skank's actions are unprocessable (is that a word?) IMO. You can't imagine the scenario that probably took place. She was a young energetic mother, not crippled (literally anyway) She could have gotten out of the situation Cindy had her in, left the state, raised her child and Cindy could do nothing about it. I agree with you. There is a solution to every problem and any good mother with a normal brain could have found the solution. So many mothers have found new ways of saving themselves and their children from horrific control freaks. Some had more than one child and the majority had no man to help them. Casey found Caylee dispensable. Cindy found out no one controls another human being. Fact.

The only thing that saves the day in any situation is LOVE. None there. All ego driven behaviors in that house. IMO

I really don't think this is a brain problem as much as a attitude problem. She believes that the world revolves around her and bows to her beck and call. She did not and still does not want to be responsible for anyone including herself. Someone else is suppose to be responsible for her and her happiness. Therefore, she could not leave because she would have had to work. Both to support herself and to take care of Caylee. She could BS her way through taking care of herself by using the nearest male but that did not take care of Caylee. Using her sociopath thinking, she got rid of what was holding her back. Caylee.:rose:

[deacon]

[/B]

I hear that loretta! Somehow, deep inside perhaps Ms Cindy knew there was no more Caylee very early on. She is a Denial Pro. What ever did happen that night dummy left that house, had to be very bad. I'm still confused as to when she left the house. Not sure if she left that Father's day night, or the next day or both.

I think cindy has a tendency to be sociopathic like her daughter. She thinks about what she wants only. Apple/tree.

[beemer]

Good posts Deacon. Did ya all cook those burgers and homemade fries? Did ya watch the British? I am sad :( You can answer in the off topic thread if inclined :beer:

[wind149]

Nawny, yeah, I talked to my cousin in Vt and she said all it has done was rain and thunderstorms and today, a year ago is when Epsom NH and surrounding towns got nailed with an F-3 tornado and one woman was killed when she tried to shield her 3 month old grandson from the debris flying when their home took a direct hit and the baby was found in a crevice in the one wall still standing and the woman was killed when another wall fell on her. The hood is still bearing scars and some people still suffer from what I would say is PTSD as a result because while tornadoes do occur in NH, they are usually not as strong as that one was and that one was on the ground they figure for 50 miles and was about 2 miles wide!! We get them here too, but usually the really strong ones hit south of me, in the Fenton and Saginaw and Flint areas and last year, they had an F-3 in Fenton and wiped out half the town, but luckily no one killed. But the weather is so wacky here, yesterday, 42 freaking degrees when I woke up, I put the heat on a tad, which is a waste of money seeing as I have the AC in the window!! Today, was nice and it should be warming up middle of this coming week. Now I have liked some days here, we had a whole week of really good weather, low 70's and no humidity, 4th of July was awesome!! SO I guess everyone is experiencing some weird weather all over.

[deacon]

Good posts Deacon. Did ya all cook those burgers and homemade fries? Did ya watch the British? I am sad :( You can answer in the off topic thread if inclined :beer:

Yep, yep.

[beemer]

Yep, yep.

Then you had one great weekend :)

[lorettalockhorn]

In no way am I defending anyone but what would the police do? The Liar was of age, she had sole custody of her child. She was communicating and didn't seem to be in distress. What should have been done was that G&c should have gone to the Department of Children's Services and request temporary guardianship and have them investigate their daughter.

DCS wouldn't be able to investigate if Casey wasn't showing up at home, the most that could have been done while Caylee was "missing" or not being produced would have been a homestudy and that wouldn't have been completed without interviews of the entire family. What the po po could have done was put out a BOLO on the car to do a welfare check on Caylee; presumably Casey was driving all over the place and using her EZ pass, so it looks like sooner or later an alert officer would have spotted her in traffic. (But not Richard Cain. He prolly wouldn't have bothered.)

Sure, Caylee was already dead by the time Cindy started having hot flashes and wakefulness, but it would have sped up the process, possibly leading to having found Caylee's body sooner. All water under the bridge and doesn't matter EXCEPT: Caylee was G&C's life. How could they NOT do something?

[deacon]

DCS wouldn't be able to investigate if Casey wasn't showing up at home, the most that could have been done while Caylee was "missing" or not being produced would have been a homestudy and that wouldn't have been completed without interviews of the entire family. What the po po could have done was put out a BOLO on the car to do a welfare check on Caylee; presumably Casey was driving all over the place and using her EZ pass, so it looks like sooner or later an alert officer would have spotted her in traffic. (But not Richard Cain. He prolly wouldn't have bothered.)

Sure, Caylee was already dead by the time Cindy started having hot flashes and wakefulness, but it would have sped up the process, possibly leading to having found Caylee's body sooner. All water under the bridge and doesn't matter EXCEPT: Caylee was G&C's life. How could they NOT do something?

I really have to doubt that she was their life. If so, they sure didn't and don't act like it. It looks more like casey is their life and they will do what ever to protect her. Not so much Caylee. I have to doubt them on that one.

[lorettalockhorn]

I really have to doubt that she was their life. If so, they sure didn't and don't act like it. It looks more like casey is their life and they will do what ever to protect her. Not so much Caylee. I have to doubt them on that one.

Agree. Not doubting that they loved her and mourn for her in their own way, but I think they also mourn what they (in part) caused to be lost. Seems like G&C have both stated that Caylee was their life. Maybe that just means that she was the easiest thing in their lives to control and manipulate.

[deacon]

Agree. Not doubting that they loved her and mourn for her in their own way, but I think they also mourn what they (in part) caused to be lost. Seems like G&C have both stated that Caylee was their life. Maybe that just means that she was the easiest thing in their lives to control and manipulate.

All for the camera. All for appearance.

[Justice Denied?]

Not exactly how I would put it but I agree with the most of it.

MJ is still in the news for the same reason he was in the news to begin with. I does wonders for ratings (which these "news shows" work overtime to get) and because people worshiped him. A very large part is to be "politically correct." He was simply a man who could sing (some think, me not) and dance. Nothing more, nothing less. We really need for this nation to get a life and quit worshiping celebrities. It means nothing. They are no better nor any worse than any of us and I would much rather banter back and forth here with you folks than to see any of them in person. Most of their egos are so big you couldn't get in the same room with them.:rolleyes:

I could not agree with you more. It was the same when Anna Nicole Smith died. There was something about her every 3 minutes. Then Lady Bird Johnson died right after and it was barely mentioned. Not one network or cable news station carried her funeral live, just a few local stations. When we look at he people that we glorify, is it any wonder our kids don't choose the right heros to emulate? JMO, MOO

[deacon]

I could not agree with you more. It was the same when Anna Nicole Smith died. There was something about her every 3 minutes. Then Lady Bird Johnson died right after and it was barely mentioned. Not one network or cable news station carried her funeral live, just a few local stations. When we look at he people that we glorify, is it any wonder our kids don't choose the right heros to emulate? JMO, MOO

No wonder. Money talks and good people are ignored.:flamemad:

[Justice Denied?]

WOW! A year ago is when Cindy made that infamous 911 call that started this whole case off and got picked up by all the networks where it has played out for the past year. I wonder if she regrets now saying that CA's car smells like there was a damm dead body in it?? Right there, she implicated her daughter as it was her car and I know at that moment she knew Caylee was dead, but you will never hear her admit it because this woman is a sociopath just like her daughter and to think I actually used to feel sympathy for her and Lap Dog, and now I feel nothing but contempt and hatred towards all of them, especially CINDY! I guess, like him or not, Padilla called that one right and while he is not a board scholar, that man is street smart to the max and don't forget he knows when he is being played or lied to, kinda like me, I could tell right off when one of our low lifes were trying to pull a fast one, like they are wasted, crash their car right through a building and then have the balls to call me from a bar and tell me his car was STOLEN????

And he was identified by a passerby who saw the whole thing and he ran from the scene whereas he went to the local bar and then when the guys go in and grab him, he says to me when they brought him in, "How did you find me"?? I said, "well you little moron, we have this new modern thing called CALLER ID and that someone fingered you" and without missing a beat, he says, "was that the guy in the black Ford"???? So you know Padilla has stared down many a low life in his day, but I bet at first, Cindy and for sure CA, threw him a curve because they appear to be just a middle class family unit and nothing could be further from the truth. He probably has heard more honesty from a junkie! I was surprised that the networks EVEN remembered that today was the day we knew Caylee was lost forever because that famous JUNKIE has overshadowed everything else going on in the US and I could give a crap less. Now I want this scumbag b*tch to go to trial and be sent to the death house. Do you all think the DA will be ready by Oct to take her to trial or is this going to be years from now??? I just want this over with and for her to get what is coming to her and then we should never hear from her low life family either except for the night of the execution.

I am way behind reading posts but I noticed something I had not paid particular attention to at the time. On the 911 call, Cindy says her daughter had been missing for a month but they had found her that day but the granddaughter is still missing. Then she goes on to say the car smells like a dead body. Didn't Cindy say later that she talked to Casey every day or so during that 30 days? She commented that Casey always had a story aout why she couldn't talk to Caylee. Now I am thinking she probably was not in touch with Casey during that time because I think these phone calls was one time she told the truth. Has anyone checked the phone records?

[Justice Denied?]

Does anyone know if the civil trial is going ahead?

I don't know but I was wondering if they ever had the hearing on whether George and Cindy would have to be reinterviewed in the Zenaida case.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am way behind reading posts but I noticed something I had not paid particular attention to at the time. On the 911 call, Cindy says her daughter had been missing for a month but they had found her that day but the granddaughter is still missing. Then she goes on to say the car smells like a dead body. Didn't Cindy say later that she talked to Casey every day or so during that 30 days? She commented that Casey always had a story aout why she couldn't talk to Caylee. Now I am thinking she probably was not in touch with Casey during that time because I think these phone calls was one time she told the truth. Has anyone checked the phone records?

I think we've only seen Casey's calls for the period around the supposed time of the murder. Anyone?

I don't know but I was wondering if they ever had the hearing on whether George and Cindy would have to be reinterviewed in the Zenaida case.

Not yet, but not sure when the hearing is scheduled. Couldn't find it on Rodriguez' calendar. :shrug:

[Nawny]

I don't know but I was wondering if they ever had the hearing on whether George and Cindy would have to be reinterviewed in the Zenaida case.

Ya know the murder trial is going to be based mainly on circumstantial evidence ie, 31 days to report her child missing. No one on that jury or anywhere else will be able to deal with their child missing for 31 seconds..IMO
I see the guilty verdict being based on that alone. Other physical evidence such as the Winnie the poo blanket found with the remains, etc.. can be argued. "How many of those blankets were sold in Florida yada yada..

But Cindy's lies are all on tape. THe Zenieda case is going to great lengths to make the defamation case stick because of all the living proof that the A's said what they are being accused of saying.

I think the hearing was not in Cindy and George's favor and they will be forced to answer the questions. There was more on that but I can't remember how it went. I think there was something said about their lawyer would filter any questions that he feels do not pertain to the lawsuit. (Or that could taint a jury in the murder trail, or some such.)

Anyone?

[Nawny]

I think we've only seen Casey's calls for the period around the supposed time of the murder. Anyone?



Not yet, but not sure when the hearing is scheduled. Couldn't find it on Rodriguez' calendar. :shrug:

I thought it was set to go and the A's had to come back in.. maybe I misunderstood.

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought it was set to go and the A's had to come back in.. maybe I misunderstood.

I could have easily missed it. Hope you're exactly right!

[beemer]

For some reason i thought that hearing was scheduled for the end of this month? I could be wrong ;) Where is Snoop our fact checker? I hope Brad's back recovered nicely (sorry but LMFAO) :punch: Remember that joke? I forget who said it but it was dang funny :punch:

[beemer]

Yeah either way they need to get on with it. Civil and all the other charges. I say bring em on and quit stalling. It's going to happen anyways. Heck she may as well serve a little time that counts towards a sentence before the murder conviction ;)

[BeastofBears]

Yes good thought there Sara. In my mind seal it with a kiss-the kiss of death if that makes any sense :shrug: For some reason i picture Liar smiling after putting that heart sticker on the tape. The final act :flamemad:

Like a stamp? "Return to sender"?

[beemer]

Like a stamp? "Return to sender"?

Yeah that is for sure eh?

[BeastofBears]

I could not agree with you more. It was the same when Anna Nicole Smith died. There was something about her every 3 minutes. Then Lady Bird Johnson died right after and it was barely mentioned. Not one network or cable news station carried her funeral live, just a few local stations. When we look at he people that we glorify, is it any wonder our kids don't choose the right heros to emulate? JMO, MOO

Honestly, having fiends who do "packages" for media, its simply easier to do celebs as opposed to real 3 dimensional people. Picture how easy it is to get footage of Anna Nicole together, edit it, and "tell" a story. Then picture the work and research needed to Lady Bird Johnson, not to mention even dealing with the legals, the getting permission to use the footage. (I could not believe some of the stories she had about "clearing" some footage in her packages-who owns it after companies change hands and merge and are sold?)

imo, its laziness. I mean, when NG does Caylee, notice she always has the same footage? Its been cleared and canned, no work at all...The media has changed since Walter Cronkite. You'd think with 24 hour news, they would have MORE time to do better, now they spend less...imo.

[Amy]

Ya know the murder trial is going to be based mainly on circumstantial evidence ie, 31 days to report her child missing. No one on that jury or anywhere else will be able to deal with their child missing for 31 seconds..IMO
I see the guilty verdict being based on that alone. Other physical evidence such as the Winnie the poo blanket found with the remains, etc.. can be argued. "How many of those blankets were sold in Florida yada yada..

But Cindy's lies are all on tape. THe Zenieda case is going to great lengths to make the defamation case stick because of all the living proof that the A's said what they are being accused of saying.

I think the hearing was not in Cindy and George's favor and they will be forced to answer the questions. There was more on that but I can't remember how it went. I think there was something said about their lawyer would filter any questions that he feels do not pertain to the lawsuit. (Or that could taint a jury in the murder trail, or some such.)

Anyone?

I was thinking the hearing occurred, and they were supposed to be re-deposed (or whatever.) Wasn't that about the time Brad Conway's back trouble came about and the depo was postponed? Geesh!!! You'd think there would be reports about this, even if we had to look on page 2 or something. Maybe, with all the hoopla about MJ, the depo went on without any notice or fanfare? Surely Kathi Belich would keep us updated.

[Amy]

Honestly, having fiends who do "packages" for media, its simply easier to do celebs as opposed to real 3 dimensional people. Picture how easy it is to get footage of Anna Nicole together, edit it, and "tell" a story. Then picture the work and research needed to Lady Bird Johnson, not to mention even dealing with the legals, the getting permission to use the footage. (I could not believe some of the stories she had about "clearing" some footage in her packages-who owns it after companies change hands and merge and are sold?)

imo, its laziness. I mean, when NG does Caylee, notice she always has the same footage? Its been cleared and canned, no work at all...The media has changed since Walter Cronkite. You'd think with 24 hour news, they would have MORE time to do better, now they spend less...imo.

I haven't tuned in to NG for some time now. I swear, after almost a year of the same intro (even the same incorrect info) on her opening, I pretty much cringed to watch the beginning of her show. Has she changed it any? I know, I know, tune her in one day and see, lol.

[Amy]

This might be a dumb question, but does the fact that Baez paid off the Amy Huizenga fraud money to B of A mean that there will be no prosecution of that?

I tho't all the return of monies were by Cindy and her 401? I don't think repaying the money (no matter by whom) would cancel prosecution of a fraud. But, I'm no lawyer, so that is JMO.

[deacon]

I tho't all the return of monies were by Cindy and her 401? I don't think repaying the money (no matter by whom) would cancel prosecution of a fraud. But, I'm no lawyer, so that is JMO.

That works only if you are a politician. If you are one of the common folks you still have to go to trial. I think. Only govenors can sweep things like that under the rug.:shrug:

[Amy]

That works only if you are a politician. If you are one of the common folks you still have to go to trial. I think. Only govenors can sweep things like that under the rug.:shrug:

I didn't even think about all the "impotent" folks who DO get away with fraud. I would think, even tho this is a "high profile" case, and Casey IS rather infamous, that surely the governor wouldn't sweep this under the rug. I would guess that the prosecution might have the power to not go thru w/charges, make some kind of deal, but these prosecutors don't seem to be the type to just let it go. @ least, I hope they don't.

[Nawny]

That works only if you are a politician. If you are one of the common folks you still have to go to trial. I think. Only govenors can sweep things like that under the rug.:shrug:

That's right deacon. When someone embezzles monies in the Insurance industry, for one, they make the front page here, restitution must be made and then jail! White collar crime is a bad thing but it goes on every day. They get caught, they pay it back, then they do time~So I am sure Cindy's efforts were futile.

[deacon]

I didn't even think about all the "impotent" folks who DO get away with fraud. I would think, even tho this is a "high profile" case, and Casey IS rather infamous, that surely the governor wouldn't sweep this under the rug. I would guess that the prosecution might have the power to not go thru w/charges, make some kind of deal, but these prosecutors don't seem to be the type to just let it go. @ least, I hope they don't.

A prosecutor in our state was charged with DUI the other week and before it came to trial they allowed a plea deal. The charges he pleaded to were nothing to do with DUI. They dropped that part.:shrug:

[beemer]

A prosecutor in our state was charged with DUI the other week and before it came to trial they allowed a plea deal. The charges he pleaded to were nothing to do with DUI. They dropped that part.:shrug:

Thats terrible!!! Great life lessons today eh? Wanna be a criminal-run for office :shrug: it is my understanding that Liar would still be prosecuted. Often a judge-here anyway-will make restitution part of the sentence. If possible. Liar didn't even pay it back herself. Once again somebody other than Liar had to come good for it. And she has all those other charges. Lying to police etc. etc. I cant remember :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking the hearing occurred, and they were supposed to be re-deposed (or whatever.) Wasn't that about the time Brad Conway's back trouble came about and the depo was postponed? Geesh!!! You'd think there would be reports about this, even if we had to look on page 2 or something. Maybe, with all the hoopla about MJ, the depo went on without any notice or fanfare? Surely Kathi Belich would keep us updated.

It was the actual hearing that was postponed in May, don't think it's been rescheduled, I didn't find it on Rodriguez's docket:

Civil Case Hearing Postponed
The civil case against Casey Anthony was expected to move forward Thursday, but instead it is now postponed.

The judge was supposed to decide whether to order Cindy, George and Lee Anthony to answer questions they originally refused to answer during depositions. However, Brad Conway, the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, hurt his back and had to cancel.

Attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez said they are frustrated, but will have to wait. They said they want George and Cindy to answer questions about Casey possibly stealing money. They say that could prove if she really did ever know a Zenaida Gonzalez.

Casey told investigators a woman by the same name kidnapped Caylee in June 2008.

The hearing may be rescheduled in June.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/5/21/motion_hearing_in_zenaidas_civil_suit_against_case y_expected_today.html?cid=rss

Pretty sure it didn't occur in June.

[Gatordog]

I tho't all the return of monies were by Cindy and her 401? I don't think repaying the money (no matter by whom) would cancel prosecution of a fraud. But, I'm no lawyer, so that is JMO.

Those payments from the 401K were made prior to all this happening. It was to the credit card companies when the Liar racked up over $40K of charges, not the bad checks.

[Gatordog]

I am way behind reading posts but I noticed something I had not paid particular attention to at the time. On the 911 call, Cindy says her daughter had been missing for a month but they had found her that day but the granddaughter is still missing. Then she goes on to say the car smells like a dead body. Didn't Cindy say later that she talked to Casey every day or so during that 30 days? She commented that Casey always had a story aout why she couldn't talk to Caylee. Now I am thinking she probably was not in touch with Casey during that time because I think these phone calls was one time she told the truth. Has anyone checked the phone records?

It was brought up during the bond hearings back in July 2008. Cindy was on the witness stand and stated that her daughter wasn't actually missing and that they were in contact via cell phone and emails. She stated that although she hadn't seen her for that time, she did have contact and that there was never a "convenient" time for Casey to bring Caylee home. I am sure the state's attorney would have jumped all over her then if they doubted the phone records.

[Gatordog]

I was thinking the hearing occurred, and they were supposed to be re-deposed (or whatever.) Wasn't that about the time Brad Conway's back trouble came about and the depo was postponed? Geesh!!! You'd think there would be reports about this, even if we had to look on page 2 or something. Maybe, with all the hoopla about MJ, the depo went on without any notice or fanfare? Surely Kathi Belich would keep us updated.

There hasn't been any reports at all on the case on any of the local channels.

[Gatordog]

Where has it been reported that Baez paid the bad checks? I hadn't heard that anyplace but here. Do we have documentation? Just curious.

You know now that I think of it, this is the price that the Ants have to pay for letting their daughter get away with these crimes for years. Stealing money from friends, stealing from them, stealing from Grandma. There was never any consequence or repayment on her part. It just escalated because they looked the other way every time and covered her debts. Well now there is one debt that can never be paid. You cannot bring back a life. The very first time they caught her stealing, they should have taken back the car and sold it for repayment. What a life of luxury that Liar had. :no:

Gator

[wind149]

A lot of this case is documented either by phone calls or interview tapes and a lot of what they all said or lied about has been recorded by the media and don't think for one second when Cindy is up to bat on the witness stand that the DA won't be punching big holes in her testimony by asking her say, about the 911 tape. "Why did you tell the detective that your daughter and granddaughter were missing and that you said it had been 30 days since you talked to your daughter, when now you say you were in constant contact via phone and e-mails"?? Can't wait to watch her squirm her away out of that one, except on the stand at a criminal trial, you take an oath to tell the truth, (something that escapes all of them) you can't throw a hiss fit and refuse to answer the questions because the judge can order her to jail for contempt, but ya know what kids? She is gonna pull this crap like she did at the depos and it is gonna send her daughter one step closer to the death house and she is so self centered, she will not even see this even if a lawyer were to tell her to shut up!!!

Like when she calls and leaves a message implicating her daughter on the detective's voice mail??? Now you know she is gonna deny that is her voice, or some other sh*t, and what would be pure entertainment if a sweet innocent child was not dead, because I am gonna enjoy watching Cindy on that stand. To say she would be a hostile witness is an understatement???? Do you all think the trial will start in Oct?? I think the DA has it in the bag, but watch Bozo try to drag it out, another camerawhore, and he loves to grandstand, me thinks he stands in front of a mirror every morning, trying out different poses, probably changes suits, ties and shirts, for every pose, can you see him wear a vest, a pocket watch and hooks his thumbs in his lapels?? He is another one who likes to flash it up with the $300 haircuts and Armani suits, he looks like a hood and if he were not of Spanish descent, he could pass for a mafia hood!! And he is a terrible lawyer, and like I said, I hope he does not screw anything up, so that some other lawyer who might be working her appeals, as I feel he will be disbarred, finds something he did not do or do right, or something he did that was not legal, or some other legal loophole and she walks!!! I have seen this happen!!!

It will be the trial of this century for sure, but I hope it is not dragged on for months, the state of FL, or should I say the taxpayer's will be footing a massive bill! As for her "dream team" Bozo is doing it for personal gain, I don't know about Baden, she certainly does not need to toot her own horn and she is married to the best forensic, medical examiner that ever lived, Michael, and there is a man who I deeply admire. unlike Henry Lee who I think is a conceited buffoon. But in the end, it won't matter., there is so much overwhelming evidence that points to CA, and let's not forget the many photos of her, the conversations she had with her parents, it will be hard even for a woman who lies to her own self and everyone else to try to do damage control for her daughter, her boat is already sunk.

[One2Snoop]

Where has it been reported that Baez paid the bad checks? I hadn't heard that anyplace but here. Do we have documentation? Just curious.

You know now that I think of it, this is the price that the Ants have to pay for letting their daughter get away with these crimes for years. Stealing money from friends, stealing from them, stealing from Grandma. There was never any consequence or repayment on her part. It just escalated because they looked the other way every time and covered her debts. Well now there is one debt that can never be paid. You cannot bring back a life. The very first time they caught her stealing, they should have taken back the car and sold it for repayment. What a life of luxury that Liar had. :no:

Gator

This was posted by a blogger.....

By their way of thinking they say that since Amy Huizenga, Casey’s ex-friend has been compensated by her bank and Baez’s firm reimbursed the bank for more than $600 there should be no harm in delaying it.

My question here is why should Casey get this delay at the expense of Amy Huizenga’s justice for what has happened to her? Bowing down to Jose Baez and his demands doesn’t seem to be quite fair to Amy. She is the victim here and I know if it were me in her shoes I would be expressing my rights to a speedy trial and make them go to a trial now. Casey has had enough privileges set for her. She thinks she is a dam princess enough now anyway. It is time to take her damn crown away and bring her back to reality, where if you put yourself in this position you must pay for it.

http://www.bloggernews.net/121608

Still looking....

[One2Snoop]

Attorneys for Casey Anthony ask judge to put off check fraud trial

Willoughby Mariano Sentinel Staff Writer
6:56 PM EDT, July 16, 2009

Lawyers for accused child killer Casey Anthony filed a slew of motions in Orange County Circuit Court today, including one asking a judge to put off trial in her check fraud case.

Attorneys Jose Baez and Andrea Lyon argued that they're too busy preparing for Anthony's first-degree murder case to handle a fraud trial. Anthony faces the death penalty in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony. Trial is delayed until next year at the earliest.

Prosecutors asked Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland in a June 22 motion to set a date for the fraud trial within the next two months.

Anthony, 23, faces more than a dozen fraud counts, including fraudulent use of personal identification information and forgery of a check. Investigators said she used her friend's checkbook to buy clothes and other items.

snip
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-update-071609,0,7182649.story

It appears the blogger news link above and another site called "the examiner" have inserted that tidbit in about the checks being paid by Baez law firm. I've not been able to find an actual news source stating that.

Jose Baez wants to delay fraud case against Casey Anthony
July 19, 5:39 PM

Casey Anthony’s attorneys have asked Judge Stan Strickland to delay her fraud trial until her murder trial is over.

According to a motion filed Thursday afternoon by Casey’s defense team, “The complexity of the capital case necessitates a delay in the check forgery case.”

Casey is charged with stealing her former friend, Amy Huizenga’s, checkbook and writing over $400 worth of checks, including using the checks for a shopping spree at Target.

Two of Casey’s attorneys, Jose Baez and Dr. Andrea Lyon argue the defense cannot afford to waste time on a fraud case with the death penalty hanging over their client’s head.

They also argue there will be no harm in delaying the fraud case because Amy has already been compensated for her losses by her bank and Baez’s firm has reimbursed the bank with what is reported to be more than $600. snip
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d19-Jose-Baez-wants-to-delay-fraud-case-against-Casey-Anthony

[Wagsy]

Where has it been reported that Baez paid the bad checks? I hadn't heard that anyplace but here. Do we have documentation? Just curious.

You know now that I think of it, this is the price that the Ants have to pay for letting their daughter get away with these crimes for years. Stealing money from friends, stealing from them, stealing from Grandma. There was never any consequence or repayment on her part. It just escalated because they looked the other way every time and covered her debts. Well now there is one debt that can never be paid. You cannot bring back a life. The very first time they caught her stealing, they should have taken back the car and sold it for repayment. What a life of luxury that Liar had. :no:

Gator


Okay, so IF the bank DID reimburse Amy H for those checks was that under the FDIC regulations of a bank? Does that mean our monies covered that fraud in a round-about way? Not sure if yous know what I mean...but is it the taxpayer's money that covers the Federal Insurance for banks? Anyway, I guess, the point really is that someone else had to cover the debt and not Liar.

I agree about the escalation in stealing by Casey all because there was no consequence to her and she, HERSELF, was not made to pay for all of it. Good thing Cindy paid from her 401K BEFORE it took the hits from the stock market drops! Those creditors may have never seen their money again. I realize Cindy took a hit for dipping into her 401K before retirement but I guess I have to give her credit *unwillingly* for covering those debts.

BTW, there've been a lot of good posts here over the past day. :seeya:

[Wagsy]

Yeah either way they need to get on with it. Civil and all the other charges. I say bring em on and quit stalling. It's going to happen anyways. Heck she may as well serve a little time that counts towards a sentence before the murder conviction ;)

I agree with ya' beemer! Andrea Lyons can keep on working on the DP case while Bozo covers these other 'minor' things (or maybe he can't handle these things by himself - needs another lawyer to guide him through - hehehe). If the reason they really want to stall is that she would have a criminal record when she goes to trial for murdering her child, then they had better worry about much larger things...like how to defend her from herself and her parents?!? :)

[JLette]

I agree with ya' beemer! Andrea Lyons can keep on working on the DP case while Bozo covers these other 'minor' things (or maybe he can't handle these things by himself - needs another lawyer to guide him through - hehehe). If the reason they really want to stall is that she would have a criminal record when she goes to trial for murdering her child, then they had better worry about much larger things...like how to defend her from herself and her parents?!? :)

lol i have been wondering why they are making such a big deal of this. she has a small township of lawyers working for her, there is no way that some of them don't have time to work on something right now. does Jose think that he is gonna get her acquitted of murder and they are gonna go straight to the beach or something, PUH-LEEZE lmao

[Wagsy]

A prosecutor in our state was charged with DUI the other week and before it came to trial they allowed a plea deal. The charges he pleaded to were nothing to do with DUI. They dropped that part.:shrug:

Why wouldn't this surprise me?!?! We, common folk have to live by the laws of the land but it doesn't seem to apply to others.

Now, in our state, they are trying to level a tax on the rich and it's not going over at all. Whoever said "money speaks" knew what they were talking about!

So, if enough money is thrown around in Casey's Case, does this mean some charges will be dropped? I hope not.

[Wagsy]

lol i have been wondering why they are making such a big deal of this. she has a small township of lawyers working for her, there is no way that some of them don't have time to work on something right now. does Jose think that he is gonna get her acquitted of murder and they are gonna go straight to the beach or something, PUH-LEEZE lmao

Well, now, JLette, we were discussing this 'beaching' issue a little while back in posts because someone wants the trial to be moved to Miami and there was even a little bit of joshing that one poster's Shamu wasn't as large as anothers...:tongue: rofl With her Dream Team (note TEAM), I agree that she has plenty on board who would/could/should be able to handle these other matters that come up.

Another question that has popped into my head: Were Casey's answers to her depo from Morgan okayed? IIRC she took the 5th on about every answer except her name. Can't remember. There are so many different facets and angles to this case it all gets blurry. Anyone? TIA

[Wagsy]

A lot of this case is documented either by phone calls or interview tapes and a lot of what they all said or lied about has been recorded by the media and don't think for one second when Cindy is up to bat on the witness stand that the DA won't be punching big holes in her testimony by asking her say, about the 911 tape. "Why did you tell the detective that your daughter and granddaughter were missing and that you said it had been 30 days since you talked to your daughter, when now you say you were in constant contact via phone and e-mails"?? Can't wait to watch her squirm her away out of that one, except on the stand at a criminal trial, you take an oath to tell the truth, (something that escapes all of them) you can't throw a hiss fit and refuse to answer the questions because the judge can order her to jail for contempt, but ya know what kids? She is gonna pull this crap like she did at the depos and it is gonna send her daughter one step closer to the death house and she is so self centered, she will not even see this even if a lawyer were to tell her to shut up!!!

Like when she calls and leaves a message implicating her daughter on the detective's voice mail??? Now you know she is gonna deny that is her voice, or some other sh*t, and what would be pure entertainment if a sweet innocent child was not dead, because I am gonna enjoy watching Cindy on that stand. To say she would be a hostile witness is an understatement???? Do you all think the trial will start in Oct?? I think the DA has it in the bag, but watch Bozo try to drag it out, another camerawhore, and he loves to grandstand, me thinks he stands in front of a mirror every morning, trying out different poses, probably changes suits, ties and shirts, for every pose, can you see him wear a vest, a pocket watch and hooks his thumbs in his lapels?? He is another one who likes to flash it up with the $300 haircuts and Armani suits, he looks like a hood and if he were not of Spanish descent, he could pass for a mafia hood!! And he is a terrible lawyer, and like I said, I hope he does not screw anything up, so that some other lawyer who might be working her appeals, as I feel he will be disbarred, finds something he did not do or do right, or something he did that was not legal, or some other legal loophole and she walks!!! I have seen this happen!!!

It will be the trial of this century for sure, but I hope it is not dragged on for months, the state of FL, or should I say the taxpayer's will be footing a massive bill! As for her "dream team" Bozo is doing it for personal gain, I don't know about Baden, she certainly does not need to toot her own horn and she is married to the best forensic, medical examiner that ever lived, Michael, and there is a man who I deeply admire. unlike Henry Lee who I think is a conceited buffoon. But in the end, it won't matter., there is so much overwhelming evidence that points to CA, and let's not forget the many photos of her, the conversations she had with her parents, it will be hard even for a woman who lies to her own self and everyone else to try to do damage control for her daughter, her boat is already sunk.

I believe the trial is postponed till next year. And my sympathies to those who reside in the sunny state for their taxpayer share of this fiasco!

[Wagsy]

Like a stamp? "Return to sender"?


Unfortunately, all too true. Seems like someone still plays with stickers. ;)

[beemer]

Well, now, JLette, we were discussing this 'beaching' issue a little while back in posts because someone wants the trial to be moved to Miami and there was even a little bit of joshing that one poster's Shamu wasn't as large as anothers...:tongue: rofl With her Dream Team (note TEAM), I agree that she has plenty on board who would/could/should be able to handle these other matters that come up.

Another question that has popped into my head: Were Casey's answers to her depo from Morgan okayed? IIRC she took the 5th on about every answer except her name. Can't remember. There are so many different facets and angles to this case it all gets blurry. Anyone? TIA

Hi Wags :seeya: I believe she did take the 5th as well. I'm not sure where all that stands now. I would think the legal team is much more afraid of the civil trial since it will happen before the murder trial. Unusual. And it hits closer to home with where the defense may be going than the cheque charges. It will be interesting thats for sure.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, now, JLette, we were discussing this 'beaching' issue a little while back in posts because someone wants the trial to be moved to Miami and there was even a little bit of joshing that one poster's Shamu wasn't as large as anothers...:tongue: rofl With her Dream Team (note TEAM), I agree that she has plenty on board who would/could/should be able to handle these other matters that come up.

Another question that has popped into my head: Were Casey's answers to her depo from Morgan okayed? IIRC she took the 5th on about every answer except her name. Can't remember. There are so many different facets and angles to this case it all gets blurry. Anyone? TIA

Morgan filed a motion to compel in February, but not sure that the judge has ruled on it:

http://www.forthepeople.com/Zenaida_Gonzalez_Interrogatories.pdf

The Morgan website:

http://www.forthepeople.com/

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=Wagsy;9204776]Okay, so IF the bank DID reimburse Amy H for those checks was that under the FDIC regulations of a bank? Does that mean our monies covered that fraud in a round-about way? Not sure if yous know what I mean...but is it the taxpayer's money that covers the Federal Insurance for banks? Anyway, I guess, the point really is that someone else had to cover the debt and not Liar.

I agree about the escalation in stealing by Casey all because there was no consequence to her and she, HERSELF, was not made to pay for all of it. Good thing Cindy paid from her 401K BEFORE it took the hits from the stock market drops! Those creditors may have never seen their money again. I realize Cindy took a hit for dipping into her 401K before retirement but I guess I have to give her credit *unwillingly* for covering those debts.

BTW, there've been a lot of good posts here over the past day. :seeya:[/Q
QUOTE]

I guess she had to pay since they were in her name. The only other recourse would be to claim the cards were stolen and used fraudulently and the banks would have investigated and prosecuted their daughter... and Caylee would be looking forward to her fourth birthday.

[Gatordog]

A lot of this case is documented either by phone calls or interview tapes and a lot of what they all said or lied about has been recorded by the media and don't think for one second when Cindy is up to bat on the witness stand that the DA won't be punching big holes in her testimony by asking her say, about the 911 tape. "Why did you tell the detective that your daughter and granddaughter were missing and that you said it had been 30 days since you talked to your daughter, when now you say you were in constant contact via phone and e-mails"?? Can't wait to watch her squirm her away out of that one, except on the stand at a criminal trial, you take an oath to tell the truth, (something that escapes all of them) you can't throw a hiss fit and refuse to answer the questions because the judge can order her to jail for contempt, but ya know what kids? She is gonna pull this crap like she did at the depos and it is gonna send her daughter one step closer to the death house and she is so self centered, she will not even see this even if a lawyer were to tell her to shut up!!!

Like when she calls and leaves a message implicating her daughter on the detective's voice mail??? Now you know she is gonna deny that is her voice, or some other sh*t, and what would be pure entertainment if a sweet innocent child was not dead, because I am gonna enjoy watching Cindy on that stand. To say she would be a hostile witness is an understatement???? Do you all think the trial will start in Oct?? I think the DA has it in the bag, but watch Bozo try to drag it out, another camerawhore, and he loves to grandstand, me thinks he stands in front of a mirror every morning, trying out different poses, probably changes suits, ties and shirts, for every pose, can you see him wear a vest, a pocket watch and hooks his thumbs in his lapels?? He is another one who likes to flash it up with the $300 haircuts and Armani suits, he looks like a hood and if he were not of Spanish descent, he could pass for a mafia hood!! And he is a terrible lawyer, and like I said, I hope he does not screw anything up, so that some other lawyer who might be working her appeals, as I feel he will be disbarred, finds something he did not do or do right, or something he did that was not legal, or some other legal loophole and she walks!!! I have seen this happen!!!

It will be the trial of this century for sure, but I hope it is not dragged on for months, the state of FL, or should I say the taxpayer's will be footing a massive bill! As for her "dream team" Bozo is doing it for personal gain, I don't know about Baden, she certainly does not need to toot her own horn and she is married to the best forensic, medical examiner that ever lived, Michael, and there is a man who I deeply admire. unlike Henry Lee who I think is a conceited buffoon. But in the end, it won't matter., there is so much overwhelming evidence that points to CA, and let's not forget the many photos of her, the conversations she had with her parents, it will be hard even for a woman who lies to her own self and everyone else to try to do damage control for her daughter, her boat is already sunk.

I wish you could have seen the bond hearing. It was a preview of things to come. The State's Attorney brought up many inconsistencies and you should have seen Cindy tap dance her way around them. You could tell she was making it all up as she was talking. That was when the stink of death became a rotten pizza and Casey wasn't missing because she was communicating through text messages.

Gator

[deacon]

I wish you could have seen the bond hearing. It was a preview of things to come. The State's Attorney brought up many inconsistencies and you should have seen Cindy tap dance her way around them. You could tell she was making it all up as she was talking. That was when the stink of death became a rotten pizza and Casey wasn't missing because she was communicating through text messages.

Gator

That may have worked in the bond hearing but I doubt they will be "nice" to her at trial.:D

[Gatordog]

Hi Wags :seeya: I believe she did take the 5th as well. I'm not sure where all that stands now. I would think the legal team is much more afraid of the civil trial since it will happen before the murder trial. Unusual. And it hits closer to home with where the defense may be going than the cheque charges. It will be interesting thats for sure.

They don't want the civil trial first because they don't want her convicted of a crime before the murder trial. I guess maybe they can't bring those crimes into the murder trial if she is only charged. And, baez had said that his client had never been convicted of any crimes in her life so she was being overcharged in the indictments.

[Gatordog]

That may have worked in the bond hearing but I doubt they will be "nice" to her at trial.:D

They weren't nice at all. They pretty much discredited everything she said and showed her to be lying. Every question was answered differently and she had that nasty expression and snide smirk thinking she made a fool of the S.A. when it was the other way around. I wish that was out on video someplace.

[beemer]

They don't want the civil trial first because they don't want her convicted of a crime before the murder trial. I guess maybe they can't bring those crimes into the murder trial if she is only charged. And, baez had said that his client had never been convicted of any crimes in her life so she was being overcharged in the indictments.

I know and i flove it :D Civil before the murder trial. Very unusual. Everything in this case is so off the charts :shrug: Bozo or should i say The Firm :D would not wanna see that conviction in the public or in the courtroom. Too bad so sad. I truly believe the civil will happen prior to the murder trial despite the delays :beer:

[Gatordog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqccQJpuKVU

[deacon]

They weren't nice at all. They pretty much discredited everything she said and showed her to be lying. Every question was answered differently and she had that nasty expression and snide smirk thinking she made a fool of the S.A. when it was the other way around. I wish that was out on video someplace.

It will get worse at trial.:beer: She isn't going to play the grieving grandma very well at trial. Her attitude will jump out. Trial testimony will be much longer and much more pointed.

[Gatordog]

Judge Strickland's determination on bond. Hsaid the cadaver dog hits are going to keep him up that night. He has real problems with the defendant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjK7FSZV38&NR=1

[Gatordog]

Det. Melich answering questions on the stink car during bond hearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLb0RYC1q5o&NR=1

[Gatordog]

It will get worse at trial.:beer: She isn't going to play the grieving grandma very well at trial. Her attitude will jump out. Trial testimony will be much longer and much more pointed.

Oh yes, I believe after three questions the state will ask the judge if they can treat the witness as hostile.

[deacon]

Oh yes, I believe after three questions the state will ask the judge if they can treat the witness as hostile.

Yep and in three questions she will be hostile.:eek: It is her nature. When she doesn't get her way she lays on the floor and throws a tantrum like the child she is. She does not appear to have ever learned to control her emotions or take "no" for an answer.:mad:

[beemer]

Yep and in three questions she will be hostile.:eek: It is her nature. When she doesn't get her way she lays on the floor and throws a tantrum like the child she is. She does not appear to have ever learned to control her emotions or take "no" for an answer.:mad:

Gawd i just know we have seen that from someone other than C Hmmmm ;):D

[deacon]

Gawd i just know we have seen that from someone other than C Hmmmm ;):D

Apple/tree.:hat:

[BeastofBears]

Where has it been reported that Baez paid the bad checks? I hadn't heard that anyplace but here. Do we have documentation? Just curious.

You know now that I think of it, this is the price that the Ants have to pay for letting their daughter get away with these crimes for years. Stealing money from friends, stealing from them, stealing from Grandma. There was never any consequence or repayment on her part. It just escalated because they looked the other way every time and covered her debts. Well now there is one debt that can never be paid. You cannot bring back a life. The very first time they caught her stealing, they should have taken back the car and sold it for repayment. What a life of luxury that Liar had. :no:

Gator

Sorry! http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html There's a letter acknowledging receipt of a money order from JB's office.

[BeastofBears]

Yep and in three questions she will be hostile.:eek: It is her nature. When she doesn't get her way she lays on the floor and throws a tantrum like the child she is. She does not appear to have ever learned to control her emotions or take "no" for an answer.:mad:

That deposition still leaves me speechless. I am sure Conway wishes it had made her speechless. imo.

[deacon]

That deposition still leaves me speechless. I am sure Conway wishes it had made her speechless. imo.

I am afraid nothing would leave her speechless.:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqccQJpuKVU

The fidgeting, fidgeting, fidgeting. :eek: I've seen part of that before and didn't remember that she had a wad of cud in her mouth.

Rude.

[wind149]

Wow!Just was flipping the channels and found NG covering CA for a change and WTF ????? How stupid is Bozo now??? Wants her to go to trial for the bad checks that she wrote on her own granny and friends??? Is he freaking nuts??? This loser broad is facing the DP and for all intent and purposes will get it and usually a lawyer tries to run the spin that his client is the nicest, most wonderful human being on the planet that would not kill a fly, they sometimes make them dress like complete school marms when usually they dress like hookers, they have 100 plus people get up on the stand for character witnesses and what is this moron trying to pull? She goes to trial first on these charges especially ripping off her own grandmother and her best friend and that jury is gonna want to send her to jail for life just for that???? Does he think that by doing this, that the murder trial will be delayed for many moons? This is what I think and I just caught the part where Bozo is trying to run the spin that LP was working for the defense when he bailed her sorry ass out of jail?? That he provided SECURITY?? No, he was keeping his beady eye on his $500,000 client and that is not security, that is insurance!!!

And he revoked said bail when she was arrested for the check charges and that was part of the bail contract, if she were to be arrested AGAIN, that bail would be revoked and he is well within his rights to do so and I am betting the minute he met her, he regretted bailing her out because his focus was to get her to cop where Caylee was, and she wouldn't so when she was re-arrested, he had his out and he took it and this too was on the contract. I told you all that Bozo is doing a horrible job for his client and she is too dumb to know that, he has her believing that she will walk free and that the ZANNY THE NANNY will cop to it??? He is bamboozled by her and I would not be surprised to find out that he has the hots for her, everyone knows she is a slampig, those pics of her speak volume, letting some dude in a bar grab her breast, she grabbing women's breasts and crotches, anything goes with her. But if he wants to place his client in a further bad light, who are we to argue??? Take it to trial and let that jury hang her for stealing from her own grandmother, will just show the murder trial jury, that this b*tch would do anything for herself, even murder her own daughter, it will be a slam dunk, the jury would already know that she ripped off her own granny, her parents, and her best friend and had no qualms doing it, so murdering the daughter that she claimed to have cramped her partying lifestyle is another self centered act ,it is all about her and what she wants at any cost.

SO she should pay with her life, it is over anyway, she is never going to boogie down at Fusions again, her whole life will be about an 8x10 cell, a dog kennel and then a gurney. But she truly thinks that Bozo is gonna get her off these charges, why not? When everyone else in her life has covered her ass, paid her bills, took care of her daughter, they bought her food and clothes, paid her cell phone bill, her car insurance, because her moron parents did this, she thinks that she can anyone to do her bidding, including lawyers and I can't wait to see the shocked look on her face when the jury says guilty of capital murder, she is going flip, she asked for meds the day Caylee was found, she gonna want 40 of them pills!!! This is will be the day of reckoning for her, she is gonna know that moment, that she will never be free again, and that the jury is going to sentence her to death and this is what it will take for this scum to finally see that some people don't live for Casey Anthony and the ones that did, cant' fix it for her ever again.

[BeastofBears]

I am afraid nothing would leave her speechless.:eek:

I dunno...been real quiet recently...do you think Lyons has something to do with that? Did reality hit? Or something more nefarious?

[Amy]

They don't want the civil trial first because they don't want her convicted of a crime before the murder trial. I guess maybe they can't bring those crimes into the murder trial if she is only charged. And, baez had said that his client had never been convicted of any crimes in her life so she was being overcharged in the indictments.

That is what I had understood from discussions @ the time that the fraud and neglect charges were put on the back burner because of the murder charge. It would come under mitigating factors in her sentencing, too. If she had no convictions of any kind, perhaps the sentencing would be less severe. Defense, for sure, doesn't want previous convictions (even if "previous" is just by a couple of months) to rear their ugly heads for the trial OR for the sentencing phase. IMO

[Amy]

Sorry! http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html There's a letter acknowledging receipt of a money order from JB's office.

Thanks for the link. So, it was payment on ---but not full restitution? And, if I read it right, it indeed says this payment does not void prosecution.

[Amy]

I dunno...been real quiet recently...do you think Lyons has something to do with that? Did reality hit? Or something more nefarious?

Somebody got the them. Maybe there is no more $$ coming in for interviews--oh, excuse me, license on exclusive photos---so they have nothing to say? I can't believe that all of a sudden they are listening to cautions from Brad Conway. I gotta believe that, @ least initially, he tried to do right by them, most likely telling them to shut their mouths. And, seemed he went so far as to conduct the pc's to keep them out of the limelight in person. Too bad he had to say such idiotic things for them, tho.

And, I'm betting Baez had tried to get them to see that they weren't helping Casey's case @ all, from way back when, and if so, they ignored that, just as they allegedly ignored advice from Mr NeJames. They didn't shut up when Linda Baden came into the pic. The only recent addition to Casey's team (of note) is Ms Lyons. So, maybe she was the one who actually got them to see the light?

Cuz I also don't see the scenario--"George, you know, I'm just so tired of all the travel, and going over the same things over and over and over. And, even when people quote our statements directly from videos as we speak them, they just get it all mixed up. I think I'm just going to get a bunch of books and groceries and hole up in the house til time for the trial." Nope, don't see that would happen @ all. They appeared to have liked the travel and the limelight--so someone else convinced them to lay low.

OR, none of the networks are asking them to be on--and/or turning them down if they try to get on. And, maybe no reporters are bothering with them, even if they see the A's on the street. Not that I see the latter happening.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry! http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090214/detail.html There's a letter acknowledging receipt of a money order from JB's office.

Some might perceive payment by The FIRM as an admission of guilt by The CLIENT.

ETA: Thanks for the link!

[lorettalockhorn]

somebody got the them. Maybe there is no more $$ coming in for interviews--oh, excuse me, license on exclusive photos---so they have nothing to say? I can't believe that all of a sudden they are listening to cautions from brad conway. I gotta believe that, @ least initially, he tried to do right by them, most likely telling them to shut their mouths. And, seemed he went so far as to conduct the pc's to keep them out of the limelight in person. Too bad he had to say such idiotic things for them, tho.

And, i'm betting baez had tried to get them to see that they weren't helping casey's case @ all, from way back when, and if so, they ignored that, just as they allegedly ignored advice from mr nejames. They didn't shut up when linda baden came into the pic. The only recent addition to casey's team (of note) is ms lyons. So, maybe she was the one who actually got them to see the light?

Cuz i also don't see the scenario--"george, you know, i'm just so tired of all the travel, and going over the same things over and over and over. And, even when people quote our statements directly from videos as we speak them, they just get it all mixed up. i think i'm just going to get a bunch of books and groceries and hole up in the house til time for the trial." nope, don't see that would happen @ all. They appeared to have liked the travel and the limelight--so someone else convinced them to lay low.

Or, none of the networks are asking them to be on--and/or turning them down if they try to get on. And, maybe no reporters are bothering with them, even if they see the a's on the street. Not that i see the latter happening.

lmao

[Nawny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqccQJpuKVU

Thanks Gator. Ooofah! The liar is such an emotionally empty bucket huh?

[Nawny]

It will get worse at trial.:beer: She isn't going to play the grieving grandma very well at trial. Her attitude will jump out. Trial testimony will be much longer and much more pointed.

I expect her attitude to get smeared all over her LIE TO ME face.

[Native Alien]

They don't want the civil trial first because they don't want her convicted of a crime before the murder trial. I guess maybe they can't bring those crimes into the murder trial if she is only charged. And, baez had said that his client had never been convicted of any crimes in her life so she was being overcharged in the indictments.

Am I wrong in remembering that they rolled the check charges into the murder charge? Because I thought that was what they did.

I have to agree that Baez wants to be able to walk into court and say that she has never been charged with or convicted of any crime.

[Gatordog]

I am afraid nothing would leave her speechless.:eek:

Not even the pounds of gum she must go through in a day.

[Gatordog]

The fidgeting, fidgeting, fidgeting. :eek: I've seen part of that before and didn't remember that she had a wad of cud in her mouth.

Rude.

Unfortunately, that was only a small clip, she was on the stand about one hour. The gum never stopped and the hostility grew. The glaring eyes are what crack me up. Oh yeah, the Grinch Eyes!

[Gatordog]

I dunno...been real quiet recently...do you think Lyons has something to do with that? Did reality hit? Or something more nefarious?

She's probably busy writing her book. She wants to get it published while interest is still high.

[Gatordog]

I expect her attitude to get smeared all over her LIE TO ME face.

Remember how on LIE TO ME that said that when a person lies, they usually touch their ear, hair or face. It was as if she had fleas she touched, scratched and moved so much. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-016.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks Gator. Ooofah! The liar is such an emotionally empty bucket huh?

Except when it comes to herself. Remember the tears when "everything has been taken from me" and "I want to go home". All about her. And when she sees her mother " Why is she crying already?" And one of my favorites - she says to Cindy, "You had me arrested on a f----g whim."

Gator

[Amy]

Am I wrong in remembering that they rolled the check charges into the murder charge? Because I thought that was what they did.

I have to agree that Baez wants to be able to walk into court and say that she has never been charged with or convicted of any crime.

IIRC, the check charges were just put on hold after the murder charge was leveled. My understanding was that the check charges weren't going to go away, they just weren't going to bother w/them til after the murder trial. Guess they decided to get on w/them, as long as the "team" was going to put the murder trial off for as long as they can get away with it.

[samanthajane13]

OT-Party in the Lounge!!

It's Deepwater's Birthday!!!

Let's show some love for our Grand Pooh-bah!!!

[SaraSidle]

Does anything think the defense trying to squelch the Leonard Pedilla from testifying? I mean what could they know except the change in story of kidnapping??? Does Baez even know what the bounty hunter knows? imo sara

[Gatordog]

Does anything think the defense trying to squelch the Leonard Pedilla from testifying? I mean what could they know except the change in story of kidnapping??? Does Baez even know what the bounty hunter knows? imo sara

I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. ;) But, I've watched a lot of tv and from what I've seen, an attorney cannot use a line of defense if he knows it is a lie. As an officer of the court, they are sworn to be honest. At least I think so anyway.

Gator

[Amy]

Does anything think the defense trying to squelch the Leonard Pedilla from testifying? I mean what could they know except the change in story of kidnapping??? Does Baez even know what the bounty hunter knows? imo sara

The trouble w/Padilla, IMO, is that all of his info comes from another party, whether it be Cindy, George, his FBI buddy, Tracey, etc etc etc. The people from whom he got his "inside info" would be the ones who would testify to what they told him, IMO. He got nothing, nada, zilch from Casey Anthony. Which, IMO, would be the only thing he would be able to testify to. Otherwise, all his "stuff" is hearsay from other parties. Just IMO, of course.

[SaraSidle]

The trouble w/Padilla, IMO, is that all of his info comes from another party, whether it be Cindy, George, his FBI buddy, Tracey, etc etc etc. The people from whom he got his "inside info" would be the ones who would testify to what they told him, IMO. He got nothing, nada, zilch from Casey Anthony. Which, IMO, would be the only thing he would be able to testify to. Otherwise, all his "stuff" is hearsay from other parties. Just IMO, of course.

they seem pretty strong and definite about the whole thing. If it was hearsay couldn't Baez just object in court?

[SaraSidle]

I'm not an attorney nor do I play one on TV. ;) But, I've watched a lot of tv and from what I've seen, an attorney cannot use a line of defense if he knows it is a lie. As an officer of the court, they are sworn to be honest. At least I think so anyway.

Gator

LOL bold is mine. too cute.
I sure would like to know the defense they are going to use.......sara

[Wagsy]

Thanks for the link. So, it was payment on ---but not full restitution? And, if I read it right, it indeed says this payment does not void prosecution.

Hi Amy :seeya:,

I read the linked documents also and I got out of the payment that it was for the full amount owed. It was an exact amount; $664.25. But, I didn't see anything that pointed to the payment voiding any prosecution either.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Amy :seeya:,

I read the linked documents also and I got out of the payment that it was for the full amount owed. It was an exact amount; $664.25. But, I didn't see anything that pointed to the payment voiding any prosecution either.

If anything, the payment points to CA's guilt. Way to go Bozo Baez! :hat: