Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[beemer]

Most stores here in Canada have signs posted they do not accept cheques. So here ya just really never think about writing one. Wonderful world of debit.

[One2Snoop]

Who cares??? :shrug:

Casey's ex-jailmate back
in trouble

Updated: Friday, 19 Jun 2009, 11:50 AM EDT
Published : Friday, 19 Jun 2009, 11:50 AM EDT

Teri Narsesian told her story to the National Enquirer, claiming that she witnessed Casey Anthony flip out after learning the state was seeking the death penalty.

Now a local vet told his story to cops. How Anthony's ex-jailmate stiffed him out of hundreds of dollars.

FOX 35 Investigator Tom Sussi has the details.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/investigative/061909exjailmate_back_in_trouble

[SuzDuJour]

Sorry if I missed it, but is she going to trial for the fraud/theft charges before next year, or has that been delayed too? Will Jose be her lawyer for that stuff or do we know?

[SuzDuJour]

Oh this is interesting:

A foster family will get custody of Haylee Donathan instead of her grandma when she returns to Ohio (she's the girl whose mom took her across the country with the pedaphile...).

I had wondered why the grandma would get custody, when she has a son is a pedaphile as well...just seemed to be a wrong choice for the little girl. I hadn't realized she isn't back home to Ohio yet - is she in a hospital? Anyone know?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Suz! :seeya: Haven't heard much in about a week or so, but found this article:

Haylee headed to foster care upon her return

MANSFIELD — Haylee Donathan will be placed with a foster family — not with her grandmother — when she returns from California.

The 4-year-old has been at the Polinsky Children’s Center in San Diego since June 23, when her mother, Candace Watson, and her mother’s fugitive sex offender boyfriend, Robbi Potter, were arrested.


Polinsky Children’s Center is a 24-hour facility for the temporary emergency shelter of children who must be separated from their families for their own safety or when parents cannot provide care.


Potter, 27, and Watson, 24, were the subjects of a month-long nationwide manhunt. Potter was sentenced in 2006 to three years in prison for two counts of sexual battery involving 7- and 9-year-old victims. He was arrested on a state warrant for a parole violation and on a federal warrant for a probation violation.

Watson was charged with complicity to escape. Last week, she also was charged with harboring a federal fugitive. Both Potter and Watson await extradition.


Mary Watson, Haylee’s grandmother, was granted emergency custody on June 19.


Richland County Children Services since has gotten involved in the case.


“We are currently coordinating Haylee’s return with San Diego County,” said Edith Gilliland, an attorney for Children Services. “She will be placed with a foster family in order for her to be in a safe environment at this time.”


Gilliland said she didn’t know when Haylee would be back. She declined further comment.

Local attorneys Charles Lynch and Heather Cockley took Mary Watson’s case pro bono to help her get emergency custody.

“This case is sort of in two parts,” Cockley said. “The first part is the filing of the emergency custody to get the Missing Child Alert. The second part is determining what’s in the best interest of the child now that she’s been found.

“Richland County Juvenile Court has assumed jurisdiction of the case. They’ll be determining what’s in the best interest of the child.”

Cockley said she had spoken to Mary Watson, who talks to Haylee daily by phone. “She’s just anxious to see Haylee,” Cockley said.

Two of Mary Watson’s children have been in trouble with the law.

While Candace Watson faces possible prison time, Cyle Watson, Mary’s son, was sentenced June 23 to eight years in prison for a probation violation. He previously was sentenced to three years in prison for rape and violated probation by having marijuana brought to the Volunteers of America. Cyle Watson also has a pending case for his alleged involvement in helping Potter escape the VOA.

http://www.lancastereaglegazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200990702023

Not sure what's up with Mrs. Watson not retaining custody since it looks like both Candace and Cyle will be out of the picture for a while (if that was an issue in the past).

[SuzDuJour]

Thanks, Lo!!! Good info!!

[Nawny]

I know it seems as long as their name gets out there it's all good. Even if attached to the bad and ugly. I dont get it. Then again i guess most of us dont have the mindset of such defense atty's. I was shocked at Mark Geragos's strategy during the Scooter trial. Lordy :shrug:

Which strategy Beem? As for Jose, since the last rash of stupidness on his part, it started looking like he wanted to hang his client.

[Nawny]

I bet that the Liar was brought up just like Caylee - very loved and adored. It was when she turned 18 that the tides seemed to have turned. Even after that, before she was pregnant, they protected her and didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to do. I had to get a job while I was in High School. I had to be home at a certain time. I had to account for my whereabouts. She didn't have to do any of these things and never paid any consequences for stealing or lying.

Also, in order for her to tell these lies, she has to take the stand. Who is going to tell how mentally abused she was? Teachers who saw G&C attend parent teacher conference night? Grandma Shirley who admits to not liking her granddaughter? Lee who would have to say he attempted statuatory rape and incest? George can't lie very well. He gets angry if he has to lie. The jury won't buy it because what child hasn't been under some sort of control from their parents? If anything, they will think G&C were way to easy on her. I hope my mom is on that jury. She once threatened to "break both my legs" if I wasn't home on time. And I was only going next door to the neighbor's house. ;)
JMO

Stop it you! ROTFLMAO!!!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Nawny]

yea i thought so, thanks for confirming what i pretty much KNEW :beer:

i am not working right now but all my work experience in my life has to do with cashier work, so i had a feeling that something was amiss....just a side thought but i hope that the cashier's who allowed her to make all those purchases are fired, there are so many people that should be punished in this case

That cashier was in LA LA land. :rolleyes:

[Nawny]

Thats an excellent point Gator-who would confirm it? I just wonder where they are going to go with this. Or will their main focus be provide a defense she is entitled to by law and fight like hay against a DP? Other than that the only thing i can think of is to try to create a reasonable doubt that some other dude did it? Lame but what else could they come up with?

Alright you guys.. I just trashed my own theory. :confused: If those stupids try to use the some other dude did it, she's going to go out with the needle for sure. I really wanted them to go after the grinch for abuse. She is the most horrible human being I've seen in ages. That SOB sitting in that depo snapping her gum, being sarcastic was unreal. Her underbelly is rotten to the core. I didn't think they'd blame her for the actual murder,, just thought they might blame her for the skank's motives.

If I were stupid enough to be her lawyer, I'd lay it all on the grinch and then watch her fry.

[Nawny]

"Quit crying or I'll give you something to cry about!!!""If you don't quit, I'm going to knock your block off!!!" "Quit sassing me or I'lll shake your brain loose!!!!" Of course, none of these things ever happened, and can you imagine anyone getting away with these kinds of threats these days? My Momma would have been in jail, and someone else would have been raising us kids! Of course, I guess there are people who really did carry out these kinds of threats. Me, I didn't push the limits to find out if she was serious or not.

That is hysterical,, looking back now. ;)

[Marian Paroo]

I may be bopped for saying this, but given the family chain, little Caylee might well have been as bad as mom and grandma had she lived to grow up.

Dysfunctional families are like that. Hard chain to break.

[JLette]

I may be bopped for saying this, but given the family chain, little Caylee might well have been as bad as mom and grandma had she lived to grow up.

Dysfunctional families are like that. Hard chain to break.

unfortunately you are probably right about that :(

its a vicious cycle, maybe if caylee had been a boy the cycle could have ended but the vindictive mother daughter cycle tends to keep going from what i have seen personally

[SaraSidle]

unfortunately you are probably right about that :(

its a vicious cycle, maybe if caylee had been a boy the cycle could have ended but the vindictive mother daughter cycle tends to keep going from what i have seen personally

I thought the same thing..... IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

I may be bopped for saying this, but given the family chain, little Caylee might well have been as bad as mom and grandma had she lived to grow up.

Dysfunctional families are like that. Hard chain to break.

From the videos and photos, Caylee struck me as cheerful and caring (that video with Mr. Plesea!) and unusually bright for her age (very different from Casey and Cindy). But I have a picture of the Anthony household as a battleground and with two such foul role models and seemingly no contact outside the family, you have to wonder if Caylee could survive without becoming quite the little games player. School would have been her earliest hope to even observe normalcy.

[lorettalockhorn]

unfortunately you are probably right about that :(

its a vicious cycle, maybe if caylee had been a boy the cycle could have ended but the vindictive mother daughter cycle tends to keep going from what i have seen personally

Anecdotal evidence is far from scientific, but My Sainted Mother couldn't have been more different from her harridan of a mother. That woman made Cindy look like Mother Teresa. I think Casey enjoyed the way that she was and had no motivation to be any different. Bad seed, that one.

[beemer]

Anecdotal evidence is far from scientific, but My Sainted Mother couldn't have been more different from her harridan of a mother. That woman made Cindy look like Mother Teresa. I think Casey enjoyed the way that she was and had no motivation to be any different. Bad seed, that one.

I agree Loretta. I luv that word harridan. It says soooo much. Apparently i had a grandmother like that too on my Dad's side. She passed before i was old enough to realize. I listen to horror stories of things said to my brother and sister who are 8 and 10 years older than I. Glad i missed it. Yep ya cant take the socio out of the socio. I think she was a bad seed from the get go. Throw her into that enviroment and oh Lordy-her enviroment just fed it. As i have said nature/nurture debatable till the end of time. In my opine she is a result of both.

[beemer]

It horrifies me to think of the language and the arguments that child overhead that was just deemed acceptable in the Ant household. Yes school would have been Caylee's shot at realizing that is not acceptable and how most live. It is seared in my brain Liar saying to her father here is your effing gas cans and thats just how life went in that house-just a bad moment in the day. Good gawd :shrug: We here in our house are far from perfect but for me growing up in a house where parents whispered when they argued. Not normal. We have tried to instill here that yes people and couples do argue. There is constructive arguing but children must see there is resolution and that is part of it as well. Children often hear the argument but never hear the parent say i was wrong and I'm sorry yadayada. Not that I am ever wrong :biggrin::tongue:

[Nawny]

It horrifies me to think of the language and the arguments that child overhead that was just deemed acceptable in the Ant household. Yes school would have been Caylee's shot at realizing that is not acceptable and how most live. It is seared in my brain Liar saying to her father here is your effing gas cans and thats just how life went in that house-just a bad moment in the day. Good gawd :shrug: We here in our house are far from perfect but for me growing up in a house where parents whispered when they argued. Not normal. We have tried to instill here that yes people and couples do argue. There is constructive arguing but children must see there is resolution and that is part of it as well. Children often hear the argument but never hear the parent say i was wrong and I'm sorry yadayada. Not that I am ever wrong :biggrin::tongue:

LMAO!!!!!

I believe children are so much wiser than adults. I guess I was wise once too. Though we try not to show the weebles when we don't agree.. ahem..

More than a year ago I snapped at poppa for snapping at one of the weebs. She was in his den being rowdy and ran into the end table where one of his favorite tiffany lamps almost fell over. When he raised his voice, it shocked her and she cried. I went after him for it and she still remembers it, and now and then she comments, "Ah Nawny, you got mad at my poor poppa." I felt like a heel. :o She was only 4 years old when the incident happened and she will never forget it. I defended her and she defended him. Her personality is already carved.

She's one of the Flying Wallenda twins. (My Sagittarians) Her foot prints are usually next to the door knobs. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree Loretta. I luv that word harridan. It says soooo much. Apparently i had a grandmother like that too on my Dad's side. She passed before i was old enough to realize. I listen to horror stories of things said to my brother and sister who are 8 and 10 years older than I. Glad i missed it. Yep ya cant take the socio out of the socio. I think she was a bad seed from the get go. Throw her into that enviroment and oh Lordy-her enviroment just fed it. As i have said nature/nurture debatable till the end of time. In my opine she is a result of both.

Ugh My evil grandmother used to say the most unspeakable things, and my sister would never stand up to her, but I told her when I was ten or eleven that if she ever again came out of her mouth with garbage about my parents, I would never see or speak to her again. She told me she would cut me out of her will (a favorite and frequent threat!). That was A-OK with me. Turns out she wrote me in for double. LMAO Guess she thought my mouth meant I had chutzpah or something. Well, come to think of it, I did spend a lot of time in The Blue Chair in the back bathroom.

It horrifies me to think of the language and the arguments that child overhead that was just deemed acceptable in the Ant household. Yes school would have been Caylee's shot at realizing that is not acceptable and how most live. It is seared in my brain Liar saying to her father here is your effing gas cans and thats just how life went in that house-just a bad moment in the day. Good gawd :shrug: We here in our house are far from perfect but for me growing up in a house where parents whispered when they argued. Not normal. We have tried to instill here that yes people and couples do argue. There is constructive arguing but children must see there is resolution and that is part of it as well. Children often hear the argument but never hear the parent say i was wrong and I'm sorry yadayada. Not that I am ever wrong :biggrin::tongue:

That is so true! We don't argue around here very often, but when we do it's not pretty. Prolly a good thing we don't have weebles. My smart cat is used to me muttering under my breath, but she no likey the shouting match!

[lorettalockhorn]

LMAO!!!!!

I believe children are so much wiser than adults. I guess I was wise once too. Though we try not to show the weebles when we don't agree.. ahem..

More than a year ago I snapped at poppa for snapping at one of the weebs. She was in his den being rowdy and ran into the end table where one of his favorite tiffany lamps almost fell over. When he raised his voice, it shocked her and she cried. I went after him for it and she still remembers it, and now and then she comments, "Ah Nawny, you got mad at my poor poppa." I felt like a heel. :o She was only 4 years old when the incident happened and she will never forget it. I defended her and she defended him. Her personality is already carved.

She's one of the Flying Wallenda twins. (My Sagittarians) Her foot prints are usually next to the door knobs. :)

Ya big meanie!! :tongue:

[beemer]

Well of course Nawny-grandparents never argue LOL. Loretta it aint pretty cuz ya can LOL I dont cuss cuz my kids hate it. So if their away at school. It comes out now and again. I like a healthy debate. Husband not so much. He walks away. I have learned over the years not to follow him and keep yapping. Cuz then i get the look :eek: Which tells me this is only going to go south so each take a corner and cool off. debates happen enough at work this year so i get my fill there. Our contract is up a year from now Hmmmm I see a year of suck up coming. Not on our part either LOL Oh and the boss came in yesterday to the air blasting away and apologized to us. Union was all over it right down to human rights. Luv those people but i guess thats why i pay hefty union dues :shrug:

[beemer]

Wrong thread :shrug: sleep dep.:punch:

[DrewBerry]

Anecdotal evidence is far from scientific, but My Sainted Mother couldn't have been more different from her harridan of a mother. That woman made Cindy look like Mother Teresa. I think Casey enjoyed the way that she was and had no motivation to be any different. Bad seed, that one.

Hey Loretta. ITA. The Liar had absolutely no reason to change because she has never been held accountable for ANYTHING. Never suffered any consequences until now. Daddy and Dear Brother tip-toed around her and babied her, put her on a pedestal just to avoid a conflict. All the energy in that family was spent on making the Liar happy. As far as the Grinch, I believe she tip-toed as well but when Caylee came along, all her attention (and I suspect George did too) went to Caylee and Casey's pathology intensified until she killed her own daughter so she could, again, become the center of attention. I truly believe she did not think she'd ever get caught and everyone would fall all over her again. JMO.
Hope there's some action on this case soon. I've grown weary of the MJ case.
Good to see you!:seeya:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

Drew! :seeya: How's every little thing?

Isn't there a hearing coming up on Morgan's motion to compel the Ants to answer questions in the ZFG suit? That should be interesting. And I guess the three ring circus that is the murder defense should start filing motion after motion soon. And wasn't there another document dump scheduled? We need fodder here! (At least until the MJ case turns into a murder or manslaughter case and the child custody issue turns into the war of the roses.)

[Wagsy]

I've been a 'lurker' for quite a long time. I have never posted on any forum before and am taking the plunge here. Please be patient with me and I know I'll need lots of help along the way. I have visited other message boards and have never seen one so friendly, polite and funny as this one. I come back day after day to see what's new and enjoy laughs.

I wanted to just make a comment on the last video I viewed per a link at this board. It was the one of the Anthony's plea to not release Caylee's autopsy report. I totally agree with what I've read so far on your comments about that video. I did notice that after the verdict was read, George seemed very angry while Cindy was shaking her head 'no'. At one point, she reached over and laid a hand on his arm and it looked to me as if he jerked it away from her and actually physically leaned his entire body away from her also. Did anyone else notice that? I wish I could remember which news channel I watched it on so I could reference it for you. That's another one of my 'learning to do' thingies.

The point I wanted to make was that they were on a morning show in New York before that hearing and during the video, the question was asked, "Are you closer now since this has happened to your granddaughter?" They both were staunch in their replies that it had drawn them closer. Body language can speak volumes even without a person being a specialist in the field!

[lorettalockhorn]

I've been a 'lurker' for quite a long time. I have never posted on any forum before and am taking the plunge here. Please be patient with me and I know I'll need lots of help along the way. I have visited other message boards and have never seen one so friendly, polite and funny as this one. I come back day after day to see what's new and enjoy laughs.

I wanted to just make a comment on the last video I viewed per a link at this board. It was the one of the Anthony's plea to not release Caylee's autopsy report. I totally agree with what I've read so far on your comments about that video. I did notice that after the verdict was read, George seemed very angry while Cindy was shaking her head 'no'. At one point, she reached over and laid a hand on his arm and it looked to me as if he jerked it away from her and actually physically leaned his entire body away from her also. Did anyone else notice that? I wish I could remember which news channel I watched it on so I could reference it for you. That's another one of my 'learning to do' thingies.

The point I wanted to make was that they were on a morning show in New York before that hearing and during the video, the question was asked, "Are you closer now since this has happened to your granddaughter?" They both were staunch in their replies that it had drawn them closer. Body language can speak volumes even without a person being a specialist in the field!

Hey Wag! :seeya: Hmmm Verry intrresting. http://i28.tinypic.com/wjfiw0.jpg

[Wagsy]

I wondered if anyone else was on here. Thanks for a reply!

[lorettalockhorn]

In and out Wag, just wondering what to miracle onto the table (besides a bottle of wine!).

G&C at odds is a sad thought when you think of Caylee's short life. But G&C being close makes me think of a snakepit. :eek: Kinda horrifying if you think of it in the context of what they're willing to do to save their nogoodnik daughter from paying for her crime.

And of course it's hard to forget Cindy's comments re: what happened to them. ATTN: Cindy. Now hear this: This happened to Caylee. You are just collateral damage.

[DrewBerry]

Drew! :seeya: How's every little thing?

Isn't there a hearing coming up on Morgan's motion to compel the Ants to answer questions in the ZFG suit? That should be interesting. And I guess the three ring circus that is the murder defense should start filing motion after motion soon. And wasn't there another document dump scheduled? We need fodder here! (At least until the MJ case turns into a murder or manslaughter case and the child custody issue turns into the war of the roses.)

I think you're correct, Loretta. I thought that hearing was sometime this next week? :confused: As for the doc. dump . . . WTF? We've been waiting, people!! Throw us a frickin' bone here so we can discuss amongst ourselves!
Wonder if NG will have something on this case Wed. the anniversary of the Grinch's call to 911. It's also my b'day so perhaps I'll e-mail NG to be sure to include b'day wishes to me!! HA, HA!! :)
DrewB

[Wagsy]

In and out Wag, just wondering what to miracle onto the table (besides a bottle of wine!).

G&C at odds is a sad thought when you think of Caylee's short life. But G&C being close makes me think of a snakepit. :eek: Kinda horrifying if you think of it in the context of what they're willing to do to save their nogoodnik daughter from paying for her crime.

And of course it's hard to forget Cindy's comments re: what happened to them. ATTN: Cindy. Now hear this: This happened to Caylee. You are just collateral damage.

:seeya: I'm popping in and out too as there really isn't anything new at the moment but I sure hope Morgan wins whenever that comes before the judge! They have their *ahem* lawyer present during the depos to deflect questions that are not pertinent so they should have to answer all the rest!

I hear ya! Don't you sometimes wish we could just as magically have the dishes do themselves after all the prep work put into the meal?

ITA that their being at odds is sad but whooeeee! what a much worse scenario if they are working together :eek: I agree with others who think G was upfront and honest in the very beginning but I see C as a boa constrictor who squeezes the life out of anyone around her. I truly don't understand the lengths they are going to to try and convince the world their daughter is innocent when there is SO much evidence to the contrary. I'm not by any means a smart sleuth but since when do the freedoms of living in America allow you to rewrite the laws to suit your case to your advantage?

My heart was wrenched from the first when I heard the news about Caylee's death but since then it's been no respect from G&C that a person has died - let alone their granddaughter! Is that poor little colleen even truly at rest or still handy for them to use as a prop to try to get sympathy? Ugh!

If this is the way my children turn out, I'll shoot 'em before allowing them to take the attitude that 'the world owes them a living'. It's called get-off-your-butt-and-go-do-honest-labor-like-everyone-else. :mad:

[DrewBerry]

Hi Wagsy. :seeya:Welcome to the boards! You will like this group; lots of savvy and witty peeps here.
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

I think you're correct, Loretta. I thought that hearing was sometime this next week? :confused: As for the doc. dump . . . WTF? We've been waiting, people!! Throw us a frickin' bone here so we can discuss amongst ourselves!
Wonder if NG will have something on this case Wed. the anniversary of the Grinch's call to 911. It's also my b'day so perhaps I'll e-mail NG to be sure to include b'day wishes to me!! HA, HA!! :)
DrewB

Drew, that'd be great if NG wished you HBD! Those segments along with her salute to fallen soldiers is one of the best elements of her show. And Happy BDay, BTW!! :tongue: We still haven't seen her two-part program about Cindy, maybe that'll finally be on tap with this "anniversary" coming up.

Did we get the last doc dump that was promised? Gosh, can't even remember.

[lorettalockhorn]

:seeya: I'm popping in and out too as there really isn't anything new at the moment but I sure hope Morgan wins whenever that comes before the judge! They have their *ahem* lawyer present during the depos to deflect questions that are not pertinent so they should have to answer all the rest!

I hear ya! Don't you sometimes wish we could just as magically have the dishes do themselves after all the prep work put into the meal?

ITA that their being at odds is sad but whooeeee! what a much worse scenario if they are working together :eek: I agree with others who think G was upfront and honest in the very beginning but I see C as a boa constrictor who squeezes the life out of anyone around her. I truly don't understand the lengths they are going to to try and convince the world their daughter is innocent when there is SO much evidence to the contrary. I'm not by any means a smart sleuth but since when do the freedoms of living in America allow you to rewrite the laws to suit your case to your advantage?

My heart was wrenched from the first when I heard the news about Caylee's death but since then it's been no respect from G&C that a person has died - let alone their granddaughter! Is that poor little colleen even truly at rest or still handy for them to use as a prop to try to get sympathy? Ugh!

If this is the way my children turn out, I'll shoot 'em before allowing them to take the attitude that 'the world owes them a living'. It's called get-off-your-butt-and-go-do-honest-labor-like-everyone-else. :mad:

Oh yeah, I used every pot and pan and skillet in the house tonight, but I'm extremely OCD and clean as I go, so it wasn't too bad.

Hope Morgan wipes up the floor with Cindy. And Flove your categorizing her as a boa constrictor! :hat: Perfect!

As for childrearing, I have a couple of philosophies. 1) When it comes to what needs to be done, I'll ask once, tell you the second time, and kick your arse up between your shoulder blades the third time; and 2) If you get into trouble once I'll be there to support you doing the right thing, mess up again and I break your plate. Period.

[deacon]

:punch:Oh yeah, I used every pot and pan and skillet in the house tonight, but I'm extremely OCD and clean as I go, so it wasn't too bad.

Hope Morgan wipes up the floor with Cindy. And Flove your categorizing her as a boa constrictor! :hat: Perfect!

As for childrearing, I have a couple of philosophies. 1) When it comes to what needs to be done, I'll ask once, tell you the second time, and kick your arse up between your shoulder blades the third time; and 2) If you get into trouble once I'll be there to support you doing the right thing, mess up again and I break your plate. Period.

I look for her to be anassonthething again. Something deep down inside tells me she will not be anything else until there is a judge sitting on the bench where she is testifying and then that judge will have to verbally have to :punch: her to get her to talk. That said, what she says will probably not be the truth anyway.

[lorettalockhorn]

:punch:

I look for her to be anassonthething again. Something deep down inside tells me she will not be anything else until there is a judge sitting on the bench where she is testifying and then that judge will have to verbally have to :punch: her to get her to talk. That said, what she says will probably not be the truth anyway.

Wonder who she'll blame for making her be an AOTT?!?! :confused::no::rolleyes::shrug:

[deacon]

Wonder who she'll blame for making her be an AOTT?!?! :confused::no::rolleyes::shrug:

My bet is on georgie. She seems to blame him for everything.:hat:

[DrewBerry]

Drew, that'd be great if NG wished you HBD! Those segments along with her salute to fallen soldiers is one of the best elements of her show. And Happy BDay, BTW!! :tongue: We still haven't seen her two-part program about Cindy, maybe that'll finally be on tap with this "anniversary" coming up.

Did we get the last doc dump that was promised? Gosh, can't even remember.

I know, what ever happened to NG's 2 part special where she rips the Grinch a new one?! I do appreciate her effort to remind everyone not to forget the sacrifice our troops are making. I do believe she is very sincere about the loss of life and keeping it in the news. Puts a lot of things in perspective, doesn't it?
DrewB

[One2Snoop]

:seeya: I'm popping in and out too as there really isn't anything new at the moment but I sure hope Morgan wins whenever that comes before the judge! They have their *ahem* lawyer present during the depos to deflect questions that are not pertinent so they should have to answer all the rest!

I hear ya! Don't you sometimes wish we could just as magically have the dishes do themselves after all the prep work put into the meal?

ITA that their being at odds is sad but whooeeee! what a much worse scenario if they are working together :eek: I agree with others who think G was upfront and honest in the very beginning but I see C as a boa constrictor who squeezes the life out of anyone around her. I truly don't understand the lengths they are going to to try and convince the world their daughter is innocent when there is SO much evidence to the contrary. I'm not by any means a smart sleuth but since when do the freedoms of living in America allow you to rewrite the laws to suit your case to your advantage?

My heart was wrenched from the first when I heard the news about Caylee's death but since then it's been no respect from G&C that a person has died - let alone their granddaughter! Is that poor little colleen even truly at rest or still handy for them to use as a prop to try to get sympathy? Ugh!

If this is the way my children turn out, I'll shoot 'em before allowing them to take the attitude that 'the world owes them a living'. It's called get-off-your-butt-and-go-do-honest-labor-like-everyone-else. :mad:

LOL @ Boa constrictor - I love it! :beer: Welcome to CL Wagsy!!! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

I know, what ever happened to NG's 2 part special where she rips the Grinch a new one?! I do appreciate her effort to remind everyone not to forget the sacrifice our troops are making. I do believe she is very sincere about the loss of life and keeping it in the news. Puts a lot of things in perspective, doesn't it?
DrewB

I'm interested to find out what take Nancy Schmancy actually has on Cindy at this point. She supported her for a long time, to the point that she pooh poohed Leonard Padilla and just about anyone else who disparaged her behaviors and Cindy-isms. Wondering if her attitude has changed. Of all the talking heads, it seems like Lisa Bloom is the strongest and/or most outspoken G&C supporter at this point.

Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but found this casualty count re: The War on Terror:

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

I grew up during the Vietnam War and there was a body count on the front page of our state paper every day. It was numbing. Over 50,000 US killed in action and the wounded and MIA numbers are astounding. I think the lasting effects of the Middle East and Afghanistan may be even worse. :(

[lighthousedazy]

I'm interested to find out what take Nancy Schmancy actually has on Cindy at this point. She supported her for a long time, to the point that she pooh poohed Leonard Padilla and just about anyone else who disparaged her behaviors and Cindy-isms. Wondering if her attitude has changed. Of all the talking heads, it seems like Lisa Bloom is the strongest and/or most outspoken G&C supporter at this point.

Not sure how accurate these numbers are, but found this casualty count re: The War on Terror:

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

I grew up during the Vietnam War and there was a body count on the front page of our state paper every day. It was numbing. Over 50,000 US killed in action and the wounded and MIA numbers are astounding. I think the lasting effects of the Middle East and Afghanistan may be even worse. :(Vietnam - http://www.landscaper.net/statewall.h I hear you Loretta, sad, I think WW2 was much worse estimates of 50 to 70 million. I hate war as much as anyone, and I grew up during Vietnam too, but then again I have to remind my sweet ultra liberal daughter that freedom is not free either. I don't have the answer either, but sometimes I do wonder if we stick our nose in others affairs a little too much. But the historians and the football players will tell you a good offense is the best defense. jmo :patriot:

[lorettalockhorn]

Vietnam - http://www.landscaper.net/statewall.h I hear you Loretta, sad, I think WW2 was much worse estimates of 50 to 70 million. I hate war as much as anyone, and I grew up during Vietnam too, but then again I have to remind my sweet ultra liberal daughter that freedom is not free either. I don't have the answer either, but sometimes I do wonder if we stick our nose in others affairs a little too much. But the historians and the football players will tell you a good offense is the best defense. jmo :patriot:

So true! The allies really took a hit in WWII compared to the axis, and I guess nothing compares to the losses the US suffered in the civil war. (But self-centered as I am, I mostly only relate to what I can (sort of) remember.) I guess my point was that considering how shrill and repetitive and (also) self-centered Nancy Grace can seem, I can appreciate that she does remember those who died for us. Really in perspective after all the MJ whoopla. Of course, she was a big part of that herself! All the networks were, but she's the only pundit who I regularly watch that shines a light on our military heros.

[lighthousedazy]

So true! The allies really took a hit in WWII compared to the axis, and I guess nothing compares to the losses the US suffered in the civil war. (But self-centered as I am, I mostly only relate to what I can (sort of) remember.) I guess my point was that considering how shrill and repetitive and (also) self-centered Nancy Grace can seem, I can appreciate that she does remember those who died for us. Really in perspective after all the MJ whoopla. Of course, she was a big part of that herself! All the networks were, but she's the only pundit who I regularly watch that shines a light on our military heros.So true. I get flustered at Nancy too, but she knows what is going on. jmo :)

[deacon]

Vietnam - http://www.landscaper.net/statewall.h I hear you Loretta, sad, I think WW2 was much worse estimates of 50 to 70 million. I hate war as much as anyone, and I grew up during Vietnam too, but then again I have to remind my sweet ultra liberal daughter that freedom is not free either. I don't have the answer either, but sometimes I do wonder if we stick our nose in others affairs a little too much. But the historians and the football players will tell you a good offense is the best defense. jmo :patriot:

That combined with how we do what we do. War is war, what we are doing now and what we did in Vietnam was not and is not war. It is a policing action. Nothing simular between the two. We have not fought a true war since WWII. Korea was the same way. Sit and wait to be attacked. It is what causes or folks to be killed in a lot to instances. We train our people to be soldiers and fight a war and then we try to make them police and then prosecute them when they do what they are trained to do because we want them to be police. It makes me sick. We insist that they be fired on before they fire back and watch out for civilians. Do you, for a minute, think those people care and would not shoot civilians if they were over here? If so, I have a bridge in NY I will sell you. They use civilians a shields.

Either we need to fight the war or come home. We haven't fought a war in decades.

[Nawny]

Ya big meanie!! :tongue:

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lol!

[Nawny]

So true! The allies really took a hit in WWII compared to the axis, and I guess nothing compares to the losses the US suffered in the civil war. (But self-centered as I am, I mostly only relate to what I can (sort of) remember.) I guess my point was that considering how shrill and repetitive and (also) self-centered Nancy Grace can seem, I can appreciate that she does remember those who died for us. Really in perspective after all the MJ whoopla. Of course, she was a big part of that herself! All the networks were, but she's the only pundit who I regularly watch that shines a light on our military heros.

Okay I'll give NG one cookie. Just one though. :hat:

[Nawny]

I've been a 'lurker' for quite a long time. I have never posted on any forum before and am taking the plunge here. Please be patient with me and I know I'll need lots of help along the way. I have visited other message boards and have never seen one so friendly, polite and funny as this one. I come back day after day to see what's new and enjoy laughs.

I wanted to just make a comment on the last video I viewed per a link at this board. It was the one of the Anthony's plea to not release Caylee's autopsy report. I totally agree with what I've read so far on your comments about that video. I did notice that after the verdict was read, George seemed very angry while Cindy was shaking her head 'no'. At one point, she reached over and laid a hand on his arm and it looked to me as if he jerked it away from her and actually physically leaned his entire body away from her also. Did anyone else notice that? I wish I could remember which news channel I watched it on so I could reference it for you. That's another one of my 'learning to do' thingies.

The point I wanted to make was that they were on a morning show in New York before that hearing and during the video, the question was asked, "Are you closer now since this has happened to your granddaughter?" They both were staunch in their replies that it had drawn them closer. Body language can speak volumes even without a person being a specialist in the field!

Welcome Wag!

I always look at the body language. We here were also checking out the new program called, "Lie to Me." It was a good season and very informative. The body doesn't lie. IMO George and Cindy are a divorce, looking for a place to happen.

[Nawny]

Well of course Nawny-grandparents never argue LOL. Loretta it aint pretty cuz ya can LOL I dont cuss cuz my kids hate it. So if their away at school. It comes out now and again. I like a healthy debate. Husband not so much. He walks away. I have learned over the years not to follow him and keep yapping. Cuz then i get the look :eek: Which tells me this is only going to go south so each take a corner and cool off. debates happen enough at work this year so i get my fill there. Our contract is up a year from now Hmmm I see a year of suck up coming. Not on our part either LOL Oh and the boss came in yesterday to the air blasting away and apologized to us. Union was all over it right down to human rights. Luv those people but i guess that's why i pay hefty union dues :shrug:

You're right aways and poppa's never argue bit that day, when I was done with him, he wanted to throw away his favorite end table and Tiffany. He's been collecting antiques for years. He never expected to have 8 grandchildren lol!

I grew up in an environment where children were not really considered people. There was no tender understanding of the antics of the miniature people. Poppa knows how I defend and I had to remind him that tables and lamps can be replaced. When ever he frowns at the things little children do, I say TEACH, do NOT yell.

I sat down with all of the weebles and told them the story about treasures. Treasures are important to people. That's a nice thing and if you break them you'll get a bop and a time out. So no running in the house. Now they ask at least once a week, "Is this a treasure Nawn?" I remind them that there are no treasures in the play room. I made that room for them because I don't want them to dread coming to nawny's house and I respect poppa's antiques. I just hate when anyone yells at a kid.

I love kids. :)

[Nawny]

Uh oh! Wrong thread again! Beem, are you in time out? I am. :punch:

[Nawny]

Hey Loretta. ITA. The Liar had absolutely no reason to change because she has never been held accountable for ANYTHING. Never suffered any consequences until now. Daddy and Dear Brother tip-toed around her and babied her, put her on a pedestal just to avoid a conflict. All the energy in that family was spent on making the Liar happy. As far as the Grinch, I believe she tip-toed as well but when Caylee came along, all her attention (and I suspect George did too) went to Caylee and Casey's pathology intensified until she killed her own daughter so she could, again, become the center of attention. I truly believe she did not think she'd ever get caught and everyone would fall all over her again. JMO.
Hope there's some action on this case soon. I've grown weary of the MJ case.
Good to see you!:seeya:
DrewB

DrewB I'm getting more and more to thinking that you are very right about the liar. It took forever for me to wrap my head around your theory. I do understand the concept of peace keeping with personalities like hers in a family setting. I should, after all, because I have a sister who controlled my parents with her fits. Actually 2 sisters. I can still hear my mother when I protested their behaviors, saying, "Shhh if you love me keep peace. Say nothing." I grew up that way.

When I was 34 years old, my father died. My lair sister lived with my mother and father forever.. had 2 kids that they raised while she did her thing. We all lived in the same neighborhood. Each morning my children went to her house before school to join their cousins, as they all walked to school together. During my mother's grief my sister decides to fall in love with some idiot and took him home. She was in la la land in love again. My mother's grief was irritating her.

One morning my oldest who was 15 at the time ran home crying because her aunty was, "hurting grandma's feelings." She wanted her to to get back on track and stop making everyone miserable. I flipped. Had enough. Couldn't keep peace anymore. I went to my mother's house still wet from the shower.

When I was done with her, my mother accused me of being a trouble maker. Sigh~~ Later that day she called me and admonished me for telling my sister off. I was livid. My liar sis refused to respect her and thought my mother wasn't allowed to mourn her own husband of 45 years. My mother begged me to understand that she'd rather deal with her demands than deal with her wrath.

Until the day my mother died, I could not get her to stop being afraid of her. I never was and never will be. She's a Grinch who has turned into a very nasty alcoholic. But that Grinch won't mess with Nawny. Not in this lifetime!

After my mother died, she didn't even attend her wake. That's what my mother got for being afraid and cowering to a lying fit throwing selfish socio. My mother waited on her hand and foot her entire life. She took her to the cleaners financially too.

My mother raised 7 children and buried 3. That sister isn't allowed on my planet. My other siblings are still walking on eggshells around her. Not Nawny! Nope!

Be afraid sis, be very afraid. :flamemad:

So Cindy can defend the liar all day long, it won't amount to anything but more hell.

[Nawny]

Drew! :seeya: How's every little thing?

Isn't there a hearing coming up on Morgan's motion to compel the Ants to answer questions in the ZFG suit? That should be interesting. And I guess the three ring circus that is the murder defense should start filing motion after motion soon. And wasn't there another document dump scheduled? We need fodder here! (At least until the MJ case turns into a murder or manslaughter case and the child custody issue turns into the war of the roses.)

What does the crystal ball say about the doctors behind bars? MJ is taking a few people with him aye?

[Nawny]

:seeya: I'm popping in and out too as there really isn't anything new at the moment but I sure hope Morgan wins whenever that comes before the judge! They have their *ahem* lawyer present during the depos to deflect questions that are not pertinent so they should have to answer all the rest!

I hear ya! Don't you sometimes wish we could just as magically have the dishes do themselves after all the prep work put into the meal?

ITA that their being at odds is sad but whooeeee! what a much worse scenario if they are working together :eek: I agree with others who think G was upfront and honest in the very beginning but I see C as a boa constrictor who squeezes the life out of anyone around her. I truly don't understand the lengths they are going to to try and convince the world their daughter is innocent when there is SO much evidence to the contrary. I'm not by any means a smart sleuth but since when do the freedoms of living in America allow you to rewrite the laws to suit your case to your advantage?

My heart was wrenched from the first when I heard the news about Caylee's death but since then it's been no respect from G&C that a person has died - let alone their granddaughter! Is that poor little colleen even truly at rest or still handy for them to use as a prop to try to get sympathy? Ugh!

If this is the way my children turn out, I'll shoot 'em before allowing them to take the attitude that 'the world owes them a living'. It's called get-off-your-butt-and-go-do-honest-labor-like-everyone-else. :mad:

I don't understand why or how George allowed that boa constrictor to squeeze his life out of him. :confused: Why would anyone? The boa constrictor is a weakling. "Gentleness can only be expected from the strong"
STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK GEORGE! Be a MAN!

Chuckling at my own words. Okay then, BE A WOMAN? Mark her absent George. She's nothing at all. Drop her on her head. Bully the bully and she'll :chicken: Get a night job, don't sell out! Be strong? :shrug:

Rewrite the laws to Cindy's laws? Baaahaaaaaaa!!!!!!! Aint happenin! :beer:

[beemer]

Something tells me Nawny and has told me if G was going to see the light and up and leave he would have done so by now. It boggles my mind what those two talk about. One would think at some point most couples would look at each other and feel some guilt and ask where did we go wrong. That would be a normal progression. I highly doubt these two would even entertain such convo and I wonder if they still believe she is innocent. They are so quiet now. I guess the fact that dont look at Liars guilt keeps them from looking at themselves. Thanks for sharing your story Nawny. So sad what some families do to each other to keep the peace :rose: Your the one that can hold your head high.

[DrewBerry]

DrewB I'm getting more and more to thinking that you are very right about the liar. It took forever for me to wrap my head around your theory. I do understand the concept of peace keeping with personalities like hers in a family setting. I should, after all, because I have a sister who controlled my parents with her fits. Actually 2 sisters. I can still hear my mother when I protested their behaviors, saying, "Shhh if you love me keep peace. Say nothing." I grew up that way.

When I was 34 years old, my father died. My lair sister lived with my mother and father forever.. had 2 kids that they raised while she did her thing. We all lived in the same neighborhood. Each morning my children went to her house before school to join their cousins, as they all walked to school together. During my mother's grief my sister decides to fall in love with some idiot and took him home. She was in la la land in love again. My mother's grief was irritating her.

One morning my oldest who was 15 at the time ran home crying because her aunty was, "hurting grandma's feelings." She wanted her to to get back on track and stop making everyone miserable. I flipped. Had enough. Couldn't keep peace anymore. I went to my mother's house still wet from the shower.

When I was done with her, my mother accused me of being a trouble maker. Sigh~~ Later that day she called me and admonished me for telling my sister off. I was livid. My liar sis refused to respect her and thought my mother wasn't allowed to mourn her own husband of 45 years. My mother begged me to understand that she'd rather deal with her demands than deal with her wrath.

Until the day my mother died, I could not get her to stop being afraid of her. I never was and never will be. She's a Grinch who has turned into a very nasty alcoholic. But that Grinch won't mess with Nawny. Not in this lifetime!

After my mother died, she didn't even attend her wake. That's what my mother got for being afraid and cowering to a lying fit throwing selfish socio. My mother waited on her hand and foot her entire life. She took her to the cleaners financially too.

My mother raised 7 children and buried 3. That sister isn't allowed on my planet. My other siblings are still walking on eggshells around her. Not Nawny! Nope!

Be afraid sis, be very afraid. :flamemad:

So Cindy can defend the liar all day long, it won't amount to anything but more hell.

Hi Nawny. On my way to work but wanted to post a quick reply after reading your touching post. Your story is more common than not. My family of origin included to some degree. One of the main reasons I chose to become a family therapist. Had to work through my own stuff for many years during grad. school. Anyway, it must have been gut-wrenching to watch all that happen day in and day out. May your mother rest in peace.
Since I began following this case a year ago, I've wrestled with many theories, trying to keep an open mind, but I always come back to my gut. Cindy and Casey have always had a very toxic, violent relationship. And not to blame Cindy entirely, but I wonder what Cindy's mental state was when Casey was born and normal bonding apparently did not happen. In this family, it seems that there is a pattern between mothers and daughters not forming healthy attachments in their relationships. Cindy with Casey and then Casey with Caylee. I would guess that Cindy's mother (Shirley?) and Cindy have a dysfunctional relationship as well. Then I look at Cindy & George: Toxic. Then look at Lee and Casey: Toxic. It is fascinating to me but of course, JMO.
Have a great day! See you tonight. :seeya:
DrewB

[beemer]

Happy Birthday on Wed. Drew :beer:

[SaraSidle]

Happy Birthday on Wed. Drew :beer:

Happy Birthday Drew

Welcome to the board Wagsy. I am always learning things here. CL is great. sara:biggrin:

[shadydaisy]

Does anyone know if C&G have visited Casey in jail yet? Seems like it's been a long, long time since their last visit. Um.

[DrewBerry]

Happy Birthday on Wed. Drew :beer:

Hey Beemer! You are so sweet to remember. :)Thank you! It will be no. 55 for me this year and I think and act like 25! Forever young in my head, I guess.
Good to see ya!:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Happy Birthday Drew

Welcome to the board Wagsy. I am always learning things here. CL is great. sara:biggrin:


Hey Sara. Thanks for the wishes! :)I'm hoping that NG or JVM will have something new since it will be the anniversary of the call to 911. . ."my daughter's car smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!" Missing 31 frickin' days and NOBODY in that damn family cared for 31 days! :flamemad: It is just beyond my comprehension.
Have a great day!
DrewB

[SaraSidle]

Hey Sara. Thanks for the wishes! :)I'm hoping that NG or JVM will have something new since it will be the anniversary of the call to 911. . ."my daughter's car smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car!" Missing 31 frickin' days and NOBODY in that damn family cared for 31 days! :flamemad: It is just beyond my comprehension.
Have a great day!
DrewB

I know what you mean. If I see one more MJ on her show I will scream. There are so many other stories and missings out there!!!!!!!!! Not to mention the CA show and Caylee. sara

[beemer]

Hey Beemer! You are so sweet to remember. :)Thank you! It will be no. 55 for me this year and I think and act like 25! Forever young in my head, I guess.
Good to see ya!:seeya:
DrewB

Good to see you too :beer: Any special plans? Or keeping it low key? Ah yes forever young-good for you :rose:

[beemer]

Does anyone know if C&G have visited Casey in jail yet? Seems like it's been a long, long time since their last visit. Um.
I would guess no daisy. There excuse i remember from way back is that it will be taped and released to the public. It is my feeling that Liar moved on and had no interest in seeing them as well. If they had we would have seen the video.

[Amy]

I would guess no daisy. There excuse i remember from way back is that it will be taped and released to the public. It is my feeling that Liar moved on and had no interest in seeing them as well. If they had we would have seen the video.

I believe that part of the no visit does have something to do w/the visits being taped and released, altho they COULD visit w/out going into details about the murder, etc. I'm not sure how long a visit would be, there being nothing else in particular to talk about. "How are you doing, gorgeous?" "Do you have enough $$ in your commisary account?" "We have a list of folks who want to help, and will keep money in there." "You look like you are holding up as well as can be expected. Gotta go now, gorgeous."

I also don't think I would care to have a conversation of any substance in this case, because of the release to the public. Who in their right mind would answer her parents' questions about the murder? Whatever the question (which might reveal the parents' tho'ts of guilt or innocence) she couldn't answer truthfully.

That being said, I really think the bottom line is that Casey doesn't want to face her parents. She doesn't want to have to even consider their questions, what the truthful answer might be. AND, I also think there is the little issue of throwing people under the bus, and she doesn't want to give them any notice of that tactic being in the works, that the throwees will include them. I think she is probably sitting in her cell, feeling smug about it, laughing @ what their reactions will be when it comes to light in trial. Imagining the expressions on their faces, and seeing their reactions is probably a part of what keeps her getting up in the morning to face another day. That, and her pork rinds and bikini wax, looking forward to the next unsupervised visit from Jose.

All IMO, of course.

[beemer]

I believe that part of the no visit does have something to do w/the visits being taped and released, altho they COULD visit w/out going into details about the murder, etc. I'm not sure how long a visit would be, there being nothing else in particular to talk about. "How are you doing, gorgeous?" "Do you have enough $$ in your commisary account?" "We have a list of folks who want to help, and will keep money in there." "You look like you are holding up as well as can be expected. Gotta go now, gorgeous."

I also don't think I would care to have a conversation of any substance in this case, because of the release to the public. Who in their right mind would answer her parents' questions about the murder? Whatever the question (which might reveal the parents' tho'ts of guilt or innocence) she couldn't answer truthfully.

That being said, I really think the bottom line is that Casey doesn't want to face her parents. She doesn't want to have to even consider their questions, what the truthful answer might be. AND, I also think there is the little issue of throwing people under the bus, and she doesn't want to give them any notice of that tactic being in the works, that the throwees will include them. I think she is probably sitting in her cell, feeling smug about it, laughing @ what their reactions will be when it comes to light in trial. Imagining the expressions on their faces, and seeing their reactions is probably a part of what keeps her getting up in the morning to face another day. That, and her pork rinds and bikini wax, looking forward to the next unsupervised visit from Jose.

All IMO, of course.

I agree with ya Amy i think there are of a ton of complex reasons. And very few if any for the right reasons :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

DrewB I'm getting more and more to thinking that you are very right about the liar. It took forever for me to wrap my head around your theory. I do understand the concept of peace keeping with personalities like hers in a family setting. I should, after all, because I have a sister who controlled my parents with her fits. Actually 2 sisters. I can still hear my mother when I protested their behaviors, saying, "Shhh if you love me keep peace. Say nothing." I grew up that way.

When I was 34 years old, my father died. My lair sister lived with my mother and father forever.. had 2 kids that they raised while she did her thing. We all lived in the same neighborhood. Each morning my children went to her house before school to join their cousins, as they all walked to school together. During my mother's grief my sister decides to fall in love with some idiot and took him home. She was in la la land in love again. My mother's grief was irritating her.

One morning my oldest who was 15 at the time ran home crying because her aunty was, "hurting grandma's feelings." She wanted her to to get back on track and stop making everyone miserable. I flipped. Had enough. Couldn't keep peace anymore. I went to my mother's house still wet from the shower.

When I was done with her, my mother accused me of being a trouble maker. Sigh~~ Later that day she called me and admonished me for telling my sister off. I was livid. My liar sis refused to respect her and thought my mother wasn't allowed to mourn her own husband of 45 years. My mother begged me to understand that she'd rather deal with her demands than deal with her wrath.

Until the day my mother died, I could not get her to stop being afraid of her. I never was and never will be. She's a Grinch who has turned into a very nasty alcoholic. But that Grinch won't mess with Nawny. Not in this lifetime!

After my mother died, she didn't even attend her wake. That's what my mother got for being afraid and cowering to a lying fit throwing selfish socio. My mother waited on her hand and foot her entire life. She took her to the cleaners financially too.

My mother raised 7 children and buried 3. That sister isn't allowed on my planet. My other siblings are still walking on eggshells around her. Not Nawny! Nope!

Be afraid sis, be very afraid. :flamemad:

So Cindy can defend the liar all day long, it won't amount to anything but more hell.

Good for you J! Just as you would innoculate yourself from disease, you have to protect your mental well-being.

[/B]

What does the crystal ball say about the doctors behind bars? MJ is taking a few people with him aye?

HAH! Can't wait until I dream about the MJ case. (NOT!) I just can't imagine that Mikey bought Diprivan on the street or had a script for it, and I can't imagine him injecting himself in the neck and/or back. Especially with IV drugs. Surely the surgical drugs can be tracked by lot number. I think someone's going down. And should.

[Gatordog]

ok, so here is another thought. she couldn't possibly get off on the fraud charges or the theft charges because the cashiers didn't make the connection could she?? it sounds like a long shot but it seems like her lawyers are interested in nothing BUT long shots with her

I don't think it has anything to do with the cashier, it's the check. She used checks which she did not have permission to use. She didn't lie about her identity but she stole the funds out of the checking account.

[Gatordog]

I've been a 'lurker' for quite a long time. I have never posted on any forum before and am taking the plunge here. Please be patient with me and I know I'll need lots of help along the way. I have visited other message boards and have never seen one so friendly, polite and funny as this one. I come back day after day to see what's new and enjoy laughs.

I wanted to just make a comment on the last video I viewed per a link at this board. It was the one of the Anthony's plea to not release Caylee's autopsy report. I totally agree with what I've read so far on your comments about that video. I did notice that after the verdict was read, George seemed very angry while Cindy was shaking her head 'no'. At one point, she reached over and laid a hand on his arm and it looked to me as if he jerked it away from her and actually physically leaned his entire body away from her also. Did anyone else notice that? I wish I could remember which news channel I watched it on so I could reference it for you. That's another one of my 'learning to do' thingies.

The point I wanted to make was that they were on a morning show in New York before that hearing and during the video, the question was asked, "Are you closer now since this has happened to your granddaughter?" They both were staunch in their replies that it had drawn them closer. Body language can speak volumes even without a person being a specialist in the field!

Hi Wag, nice to meet you. :seeya: You are 100 percent right about Cindy reaching out to touch George on the hand and he yanked his arm away from her. I don't know what was behind that but it sure was evident to me.

Gator

[Gatordog]

QUOTE=Nawny;9202903]You're right aways and poppa's never argue bit that day, when I was done with him, he wanted to throw away his favorite end table and Tiffany. He's been collecting antiques for years. He never expected to have 8 grandchildren lol!

I grew up in an environment where children were not really considered people. There was no tender understanding of the antics of the miniature people. Poppa knows how I defend and I had to remind him that tables and lamps can be replaced. When ever he frowns at the things little children do, I say TEACH, do NOT yell.

I sat down with all of the weebles and told them the story about treasures. Treasures are important to people. That's a nice thing and if you break them you'll get a bop and a time out. So no running in the house. Now they ask at least once a week, "Is this a treasure Nawn?" I remind them that there are no treasures in the play room. I made that room for them because I don't want them to dread coming to nawny's house and I respect poppa's antiques. I just hate when anyone yells at a kid.

I love kids. :)[/QUOTE]

I can remember way back to when I was about six and my brother two. My father had a 1962 Ford Galaxy which he inherited. On the visor he had a postcard taped so we could see it - it said "Children should be seen and not heard". Oh, we were definintely heard - "Ma, he's on my side". Ma she won't give me the book". Ma he's looking at me." Parents have a lot of patience. One time my mother took her purse to swing it at us and ended up hitting my dad on the head instead. :eek: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy075.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

gator

[beemer]

Hi Wag, nice to meet you. :seeya: You are 100 percent right about Cindy reaching out to touch George on the hand and he yanked his arm away from her. I don't know what was behind that but it sure was evident to me.

Gator
Nice catch there you two. I totally missed that one. I can only imagine those two or totally dysfunctional in dysfunctional times. You know what i mean :shrug:;)

[beemer]

I don't think it has anything to do with the cashier, it's the check. She used checks which she did not have permission to use. She didn't lie about her identity but she stole the funds out of the checking account.
You may be spot on as if the cheques did not have Amy's name printed on them nobody would be the wiser. I know anytime in the past i ordered cheques they always gave me some which did not have my name imprinted on them to get by until my cheques came in.

[Wagsy]

Hi Wagsy. :seeya:Welcome to the boards! You will like this group; lots of savvy and witty peeps here.
DrewB

:seeya: Hi DrewBerry! Thanks for the welcome. I have already come to love the group just from reading the posts; serious and light-hearted at the same time.

[Wagsy]

Oh yeah, I used every pot and pan and skillet in the house tonight, but I'm extremely OCD and clean as I go, so it wasn't too bad.

Hope Morgan wipes up the floor with Cindy. And Flove your categorizing her as a boa constrictor! :hat: Perfect!

As for childrearing, I have a couple of philosophies. 1) When it comes to what needs to be done, I'll ask once, tell you the second time, and kick your arse up between your shoulder blades the third time; and 2) If you get into trouble once I'll be there to support you doing the right thing, mess up again and I break your plate. Period.

LOL Love your childrearing philosophies! Seems to work with my kiddies even though they are young adults now.

[Wagsy]

LOL @ Boa constrictor - I love it! :beer: Welcome to CL Wagsy!!! :seeya:

Thanks for the warm welcome. Love to follow all your posts and links.:seeya:

[Wagsy]

[/B]

Welcome Wag!

I always look at the body language. We here were also checking out the new program called, "Lie to Me." It was a good season and very informative. The body doesn't lie. IMO George and Cindy are a divorce, looking for a place to happen.

Thanks for the welcome! I've often quoted you and others here to my husband and we see things as yous do. I believe you're known for your rolling pin and blue chair. :confused:;) I've been watching all the episodes of "Lie to Me" on the Net and found them very interesting and informative. Like the analogy of G&C being a divorce looking for a place to happen! So true!

[Wagsy]

I don't understand why or how George allowed that boa constrictor to squeeze his life out of him. :confused: Why would anyone? The boa constrictor is a weakling. "Gentleness can only be expected from the strong"
STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK GEORGE! Be a MAN!

Chuckling at my own words. Okay then, BE A WOMAN? Mark her absent George. She's nothing at all. Drop her on her head. Bully the bully and she'll :chicken: Get a night job, don't sell out! Be strong? :shrug:

Rewrite the laws to Cindy's laws? Baaahaaaaaaa!!!!!!! Aint happenin! :beer:

I got a good chuckle from this one. Ahh, but the eggshell path is easiest for those who've been manipulated and bullied too long. Georgie would have to WANT to change his life from dependency to Manly. Doesn't look like he wants to. I could send him a book called "Stop Walking On Eggshells"!

What? No Cindy's laws??? That's what's been 'in the family' for decades! Why not elsewhere? She won't understand this!:D

[Wagsy]

Something tells me Nawny and has told me if G was going to see the light and up and leave he would have done so by now. It boggles my mind what those two talk about. One would think at some point most couples would look at each other and feel some guilt and ask where did we go wrong. That would be a normal progression. I highly doubt these two would even entertain such convo and I wonder if they still believe she is innocent. They are so quiet now. I guess the fact that dont look at Liars guilt keeps them from looking at themselves. Thanks for sharing your story Nawny. So sad what some families do to each other to keep the peace :rose: Your the one that can hold your head high.

I've often wondered what it's like inside that house now that it is just the two of them (or is Lee living back at home?). It must be either very quiet or one voice doing all the barking.:shrug: For G's reputation of having quite a temper, it seems he's awfully meek when it comes to wifie. Maybe it's bottled up rage against her taken out elsewhere :shrug: Had to smile at 'normal progression'. As noted by just about everyone here, nothing with this couple is normal. I do find it hard to believe that they can still think their daughter is innocent. Denial is a safe place for them until a trial smacks them in the faces with truth.

[Wagsy]

Happy Birthday Drew

Welcome to the board Wagsy. I am always learning things here. CL is great. sara:biggrin:

Thank you for the welcome. Am looking forward to continuing my education.

[Wagsy]

Hi Wag, nice to meet you. :seeya: You are 100 percent right about Cindy reaching out to touch George on the hand and he yanked his arm away from her. I don't know what was behind that but it sure was evident to me.

Gator

Glad others noticed it too. Thanks for your welcome!

[SaraSidle]

Thank you for the welcome. Am looking forward to continuing my education.

LOL that will be easy Wagsy. thanks for the info on G&C. I missed that video but I can just imagine of course. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL that will be easy Wagsy. thanks for the info on G&C. I missed that video but I can just imagine of course. IMO sara

Missed it too, but it's easy to imagine anyone recoiling from the boa. :hat:

[deacon]

Missed it too, but it's easy to imagine anyone recoiling from the boa. :hat:

Maybe he does have some.:rolleyes:

[SuzDuJour]

Welcome Wags!

I'm usually a lurker, too - I work at night, and by the time I get in here and read, my thoughts have already been written by someone else! I can't keep away and am drawn here for the same reasons you are. What a funny, smart and caring group of people here!

Suz

[deacon]

Welcome Wags!

I'm usually a lurker, too - I work at night, and by the time I get in here and read, my thoughts have already been written by someone else! I can't keep away and am drawn here for the same reasons you are. What a funny, smart and caring group of people here!

Suz

Welcome folks!

[Nawny]

Something tells me Nawny and has told me if G was going to see the light and up and leave he would have done so by now. It boggles my mind what those two talk about. One would think at some point most couples would look at each other and feel some guilt and ask where did we go wrong. That would be a normal progression. I highly doubt these two would even entertain such convo and I wonder if they still believe she is innocent. They are so quiet now. I guess the fact that dont look at Liars guilt keeps them from looking at themselves. Thanks for sharing your story Nawny. So sad what some families do to each other to keep the peace :rose: Your the one that can hold your head high.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug012.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[SaraSidle]

Missed it too, but it's easy to imagine anyone recoiling from the boa. :hat:

Well it just hit me the other day Loretta. I bet she made him lie in the beginning about the smell in the car. with his past employment record he had to have know what that was. Probably went against everything he believes in but she convinced him to lie so Casey would not go to jail. Didn
t work........IMO sara

[Nawny]

Hi Nawny. On my way to work but wanted to post a quick reply after reading your touching post. Your story is more common than not. My family of origin included to some degree. One of the main reasons I chose to become a family therapist. Had to work through my own stuff for many years during grad. school. Anyway, it must have been gut-wrenching to watch all that happen day in and day out. May your mother rest in peace.
Since I began following this case a year ago, I've wrestled with many theories, trying to keep an open mind, but I always come back to my gut. Cindy and Casey have always had a very toxic, violent relationship. And not to blame Cindy entirely, but I wonder what Cindy's mental state was when Casey was born and normal bonding apparently did not happen. In this family, it seems that there is a pattern between mothers and daughters not forming healthy attachments in their relationships. Cindy with Casey and then Casey with Caylee. I would guess that Cindy's mother (Shirley?) and Cindy have a dysfunctional relationship as well. Then I look at Cindy & George: Toxic. Then look at Lee and Casey: Toxic. It is fascinating to me but of course, JMO.
Have a great day! See you tonight. :seeya:
DrewB

Youre a smart woman DrewB! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug012.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I learn a lot from people like you. My take on the abnormal relationship between mother and daughter is what I always preached to my own mother: "You put her on this earth. She didn't put you on this earth. Never, ever fear your own child. Kick her in the ass." She would nearly faint when I said that. SHe was terrified of her own daughter.

My mother tolerated her and me, she called me Fedenda. (Devil) :shrug: I was the only one who told the truth in that house. Everyone else played pretend. One time I asked another sister why no one said anything to the nutcase. She said, "Stay out of it Jo, it's like a marriage. They both depend on each other, just stay out of it."

I did for the most part, but when I was in the room she knew she'd be told off if she was nasty to my mother. Marriage or no marriage, my verbal guns were always loaded. Why I watch Casey Anthony like a hawk; Big trigger. The only difference is, CA is nothing like my own mother (except for the part where she was raising Caylee.) My mother was my sister's slave. Maybe they were married in a past life. :shrug:

As for normal bonding; I was not wanted at all when I was born my mother refused to see me until the next day. She was furious because I was not a boy. I was supposed to be Joseph. She had to have gone through some kind of postpartum and certainly being the 5th child with siblings all 2 years apart in age, life had to be very hard for her. Then she had 4 more after me. 2 of them died. I have no idea why I idolized my mother. I felt responsible for her happiness. I was the funny kid.

I'm still the funny kid. LOL! :seeya:

[Nawny]

I believe that part of the no visit does have something to do w/the visits being taped and released, altho they COULD visit w/out going into details about the murder, etc. I'm not sure how long a visit would be, there being nothing else in particular to talk about. "How are you doing, gorgeous?" "Do you have enough $$ in your commisary account?" "We have a list of folks who want to help, and will keep money in there." "You look like you are holding up as well as can be expected. Gotta go now, gorgeous."

I also don't think I would care to have a conversation of any substance in this case, because of the release to the public. Who in their right mind would answer her parents' questions about the murder? Whatever the question (which might reveal the parents' tho'ts of guilt or innocence) she couldn't answer truthfully.

That being said, I really think the bottom line is that Casey doesn't want to face her parents. She doesn't want to have to even consider their questions, what the truthful answer might be. AND, I also think there is the little issue of throwing people under the bus, and she doesn't want to give them any notice of that tactic being in the works, that the throwees will include them. I think she is probably sitting in her cell, feeling smug about it, laughing @ what their reactions will be when it comes to light in trial. Imagining the expressions on their faces, and seeing their reactions is probably a part of what keeps her getting up in the morning to face another day. That, and her pork rinds and bikini wax, looking forward to the next unsupervised visit from Jose.

All IMO, of course.


BINGO! Great post! :beer:

[Nawny]

QUOTE=Nawny;9202903]You're right aways and poppa's never argue bit that day, when I was done with him, he wanted to throw away his favorite end table and Tiffany. He's been collecting antiques for years. He never expected to have 8 grandchildren lol!

I grew up in an environment where children were not really considered people. There was no tender understanding of the antics of the miniature people. Poppa knows how I defend and I had to remind him that tables and lamps can be replaced. When ever he frowns at the things little children do, I say TEACH, do NOT yell.

I sat down with all of the weebles and told them the story about treasures. Treasures are important to people. That's a nice thing and if you break them you'll get a bop and a time out. So no running in the house. Now they ask at least once a week, "Is this a treasure Nawn?" I remind them that there are no treasures in the play room. I made that room for them because I don't want them to dread coming to nawny's house and I respect poppa's antiques. I just hate when anyone yells at a kid.

I love kids. :)

I can remember way back to when I was about six and my brother two. My father had a 1962 Ford Galaxy which he inherited. On the visor he had a postcard taped so we could see it - it said "Children should be seen and not heard". Oh, we were definintely heard - "Ma, he's on my side". Ma she won't give me the book". Ma he's looking at me." Parents have a lot of patience. One time my mother took her purse to swing it at us and ended up hitting my dad on the head instead. :eek: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy075.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

gator[/QUOTE]

HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! DOn't make me pee my pants!!!!!

[Nawny]

I got a good chuckle from this one. Ahh, but the eggshell path is easiest for those who've been manipulated and bullied too long. Georgie would have to WANT to change his life from dependency to Manly. Doesn't look like he wants to. I could send him a book called "Stop Walking On Eggshells"!

What? No Cindy's laws??? That's what's been 'in the family' for decades! Why not elsewhere? She won't understand this!:D

I agree completely! She seems to have no idea why the world won't let her daughter kill a baby or take money that doesn't belong to her. Darn it! She's very mad. :mad: She is a clueless wonder. I believe she will never give up her stupidity even when the bell tolls for her production of a killer.

[Nawny]

Thanks for the welcome! I've often quoted you and others here to my husband and we see things as yous do. I believe you're known for your rolling pin and blue chair. :confused:;) I've been watching all the episodes of "Lie to Me" on the Net and found them very interesting and informative. Like the analogy of G&C being a divorce looking for a place to happen! So true!

Yes I have the rolling pin but the blue chair originated with Loretta last year when she told us that's where she sat when she got a time out as a child. I just stole it.
:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

I agree completely! She seems to have no idea why the world won't let her daughter kill a baby or take money that doesn't belong to her. Darn it! She's very mad. :mad: She is a clueless wonder. I believe she will never give up her stupidity even when the bell tolls for her production of a killer.

I agree with both of you. So scarey to know someone so controlling. I had a boyfriend like that once. Never again. no compromising. living in her own world. raging. IMO sara

Gator that was too funny and cute. I bet you will never forget that scene

[Nawny]

I've often wondered what it's like inside that house now that it is just the two of them (or is Lee living back at home?). It must be either very quiet or one voice doing all the barking.:shrug: For G's reputation of having quite a temper, it seems he's awfully meek when it comes to wifie. Maybe it's bottled up rage against her taken out elsewhere :shrug: Had to smile at 'normal progression'. As noted by just about everyone here, nothing with this couple is normal. I do find it hard to believe that they can still think their daughter is innocent. Denial is a safe place for them until a trial smacks them in the faces with truth.

I am going to venture a guess that they will not see the elephant in the court room. They've been peeing on the feet of the public and trying to convince them it's raining for a year! Well it kinda did rain in RI for a year, or it seems that way. :hat:

As for George, I think he figures it's he and grinch against the world. It must be a strange psychology, sort of like, we must bond and destroy! Yeeeha! Come on world, I dare ya, let's go, come on, put up yer dukes!
Ya know? Makes him feel like a man, sort of. He's really in a terrible position in that he wants to run away but it would make him look like a real loser. Not that he's looking like a winner...

I think I'll shut up now. :punch:

[lighthousedazy]

[/B]

I am going to venture a guess that they will not see the elephant in the court room. They've been peeing on the feet of the public and trying to convince them it's raining for a year! Well it kinda did rain in RI for a year, or it seems that way. :hat:

As for George, I think he figures it's he and grinch against the world. It must be a strange psychology, sort of like, we must bond and destroy! Yeeeha! Come on world, I dare ya, let's go, come on, put up yer dukes!
Ya know? Makes him feel like a man, sort of. He's really in a terrible position in that he wants to run away but it would make him look like a real loser. Not that he's looking like a winner...

I think I'll shut up now. :punch:I think I see what you are saying. But imo, it might make him look more manly if he did run from the Cindy. :chicken: :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

QUOTE=Nawny;9202903]You're right aways and poppa's never argue bit that day, when I was done with him, he wanted to throw away his favorite end table and Tiffany. He's been collecting antiques for years. He never expected to have 8 grandchildren lol!

I grew up in an environment where children were not really considered people. There was no tender understanding of the antics of the miniature people. Poppa knows how I defend and I had to remind him that tables and lamps can be replaced. When ever he frowns at the things little children do, I say TEACH, do NOT yell.

I sat down with all of the weebles and told them the story about treasures. Treasures are important to people. That's a nice thing and if you break them you'll get a bop and a time out. So no running in the house. Now they ask at least once a week, "Is this a treasure Nawn?" I remind them that there are no treasures in the play room. I made that room for them because I don't want them to dread coming to nawny's house and I respect poppa's antiques. I just hate when anyone yells at a kid.

I love kids. :)

I can remember way back to when I was about six and my brother two. My father had a 1962 Ford Galaxy which he inherited. On the visor he had a postcard taped so we could see it - it said "Children should be seen and not heard". Oh, we were definintely heard - "Ma, he's on my side". Ma she won't give me the book". Ma he's looking at me." Parents have a lot of patience. One time my mother took her purse to swing it at us and ended up hitting my dad on the head instead. :eek: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy075.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

gator[/QUOTE]

Omigosh! I had a beeyootifull 1961 Ford Galaxie Starliner. Black with RED interior. Gawd, I loved that car. And it was easy to pack about ten people into it. My roomie who had a cute foreign convertible sarcastically referred to my ride as Black Beauty.

LMAO@your mother whacking your Dad with her handbag. OUCH LAMO@Ma he's looking at me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes I have the rolling pin but the blue chair originated with Loretta last year when she told us that's where she sat when she got a time out as a child. I just stole it.
:seeya:

I'm picturing you chasing those lying asses into The Blue Chair with your rolling pin! I pity them, though. They won't have Maddie (she was one of the three sisters who worked for my evil grandmother) to sit and make faces and laugh and pass the time. I would love it if Maddie could wash all the Ants' mouths out with soap! :hat:

[lighthousedazy]

I can remember way back to when I was about six and my brother two. My father had a 1962 Ford Galaxy which he inherited. On the visor he had a postcard taped so we could see it - it said "Children should be seen and not heard". Oh, we were definintely heard - "Ma, he's on my side". Ma she won't give me the book". Ma he's looking at me." Parents have a lot of patience. One time my mother took her purse to swing it at us and ended up hitting my dad on the head instead. :eek: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy075.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

gator

Omigosh! I had a beeyootifull 1961 Ford Galaxie Starliner. Black with RED interior. Gawd, I loved that car. And it was easy to pack about ten people into it. My roomie who had a cute foreign convertible sarcastically referred to my ride as Black Beauty.

LMAO@your mother whacking your Dad with her handbag. OUCH LAMO@Ma he's looking at me.[/QUOTE]OMG, this is too much nostalgia, girls. :biggrin: I learned to drive in a 63 Ford galaxy, and a 3 on the column 65 ford truck. Later on in college I met the future Mr. lighthousedazy and he drove a 62 Falcon. Back to the present, Gator, times don't change much. My grandkids will get in the car and find something to argue about, just what you said, "mom he's looking at me!!!", etc. so funny :D
Sorry to be o/t but so funny.

[Wagsy]

Welcome Wags!

I'm usually a lurker, too - I work at night, and by the time I get in here and read, my thoughts have already been written by someone else! I can't keep away and am drawn here for the same reasons you are. What a funny, smart and caring group of people here!

Suz

Thanks for another warm welcome! :seeya: I agree, as I would lurk and read all the posts, someone always came up with my thoughts or feelings first but decided to join anyway this late in the game and add my 2 cents on my observation of George's behavior when I hadn't read it yet. I prolly won't have much new to add but appreciate the warm welcome from everyone. :patriot:

[Wagsy]

Welcome folks!

And a warm thank you to you also for a welcome.:seeya:

[Nawny]

I'm picturing you chasing those lying asses into The Blue Chair with your rolling pin! I pity them, though. They won't have Maddie (she was one of the three sisters who worked for my evil grandmother) to sit and make faces and laugh and pass the time. I would love it if Maddie could wash all the Ants' mouths out with soap! :hat:

Maddie.. Poor Loretta.. :( I'm sure you gave Maddie a run for her money! ;)

Here's one for Maddie! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-finger007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Wagsy]

Youre a smart woman DrewB! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug012.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I learn a lot from people like you. My take on the abnormal relationship between mother and daughter is what I always preached to my own mother: "You put her on this earth. She didn't put you on this earth. Never, ever fear your own child. Kick her in the ass." She would nearly faint when I said that. SHe was terrified of her own daughter.

My mother tolerated her and me, she called me Fedenda. (Devil) :shrug: I was the only one who told the truth in that house. Everyone else played pretend. One time I asked another sister why no one said anything to the nutcase. She said, "Stay out of it Jo, it's like a marriage. They both depend on each other, just stay out of it."

I did for the most part, but when I was in the room she knew she'd be told off if she was nasty to my mother. Marriage or no marriage, my verbal guns were always loaded. Why I watch Casey Anthony like a hawk; Big trigger. The only difference is, CA is nothing like my own mother (except for the part where she was raising Caylee.) My mother was my sister's slave. Maybe they were married in a past life. :shrug:

As for normal bonding; I was not wanted at all when I was born my mother refused to see me until the next day. She was furious because I was not a boy. I was supposed to be Joseph. She had to have gone through some kind of postpartum and certainly being the 5th child with siblings all 2 years apart in age, life had to be very hard for her. Then she had 4 more after me. 2 of them died. I have no idea why I idolized my mother. I felt responsible for her happiness. I was the funny kid.

I'm still the funny kid. LOL! :seeya:

Ha! I'm the black sheep in my family. The nutcase, yada, yada, yada. Scairt silly of my mother. You didn't back talk her like Casey must have to Cindy. I'd have been beaten silly. :eek: I know my mother detested me because 1) I was a girl and therefore "competition" for Dad's attention and affection in HER eyes (skewed, I know! but you can imagine what their marriage was like in the first place for her to think that) 2) I was the opposite of her personality and that was another black mark against me 3) my only sister was her pet since she was just like mom. The first one was very loved, the second tolerated because he had epilepsy, the third her pet, the fourth - me - despised, and the fifth she never could control. By the time she died, I was able to forgive her and she did apologize one time and I can say I truly loved her when she passed away. Just wish it could have been a lot more years of peace between us but better than none.

Do you figure that Cindy truly has the capacity to love? I mean control is her thing and those in her life are things to be controlled. So, can she even have the emotion of love? I see she has hate!!!! I still can only see her as a boa constrictor who squeezes the life out of everyone then devours them. Maybe I'm being too harsh. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Maddie.. Poor Loretta.. :( I'm sure you gave Maddie a run for her money! ;)

Here's one for Maddie! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-finger007.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Noooooooooooo! Of the three, Maddie was THE Best! She was so much fun and while she was supposed to be washing my mouth out with soap, we just laughed and did our best to make it sound like crying. :hat: Her sisters, Bennie and Nellie were sticks in the mud and if their job had been to punish me, they would have. Probably gladly. LOL

ETA: Flove the naughty finger smiley!!

[Wagsy]

Yes I have the rolling pin but the blue chair originated with Loretta last year when she told us that's where she sat when she got a time out as a child. I just stole it.
:seeya:

Okay! Gotcha! At any rate, I don't want to tangle with you! ;)

[Wagsy]

I'm picturing you chasing those lying asses into The Blue Chair with your rolling pin! I pity them, though. They won't have Maddie (she was one of the three sisters who worked for my evil grandmother) to sit and make faces and laugh and pass the time. I would love it if Maddie could wash all the Ants' mouths out with soap! :hat:

Flove it! (To borrow your word) :hat:

[Marian Paroo]

. I felt responsible for her happiness. I was the funny kid.



We were only two, and home was nothing like yours in any way, but I always felt responsible for my mother's happiness also.

Long story.

Best heard over some :beer: (well, wine, actually for me - but there's no smilie for that)

[DrewBerry]

Youre a smart woman DrewB! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug012.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I learn a lot from people like you. My take on the abnormal relationship between mother and daughter is what I always preached to my own mother: "You put her on this earth. She didn't put you on this earth. Never, ever fear your own child. Kick her in the ass." She would nearly faint when I said that. SHe was terrified of her own daughter.

My mother tolerated her and me, she called me Fedenda. (Devil) :shrug: I was the only one who told the truth in that house. Everyone else played pretend. One time I asked another sister why no one said anything to the nutcase. She said, "Stay out of it Jo, it's like a marriage. They both depend on each other, just stay out of it."

I did for the most part, but when I was in the room she knew she'd be told off if she was nasty to my mother. Marriage or no marriage, my verbal guns were always loaded. Why I watch Casey Anthony like a hawk; Big trigger. The only difference is, CA is nothing like my own mother (except for the part where she was raising Caylee.) My mother was my sister's slave. Maybe they were married in a past life. :shrug:

As for normal bonding; I was not wanted at all when I was born my mother refused to see me until the next day. She was furious because I was not a boy. I was supposed to be Joseph. She had to have gone through some kind of postpartum and certainly being the 5th child with siblings all 2 years apart in age, life had to be very hard for her. Then she had 4 more after me. 2 of them died. I have no idea why I idolized my mother. I felt responsible for her happiness. I was the funny kid.

I'm still the funny kid. LOL! :seeya:

You are still the funny kid! I love it. I can relate to your life story in many ways, Nawn. While my family is much smaller, I am the oldest and "the only one that got out." My mother didn't want me or my younger sister and made sure we heard that every single day while growing up. My younger brother came along and "only boy, only joy"! He continues to be the perfect child and my sister & I are worthless in her eyes. When my father took his own life this past March, I moved in briefly to take care of my mother. It was ONE of the worst choices I've made in my life. Living in my childhood home with the woman who beat me daily was more than I could mentally tolerate. My intentions were noble and I truly thought I had worked through the abuse and trauma from childhood during my 3 years of therapy so told myself: "You are past this now and can handle anything that comes your way." I simply couldn't. Even after all these years. It was re-traumatizing to me living there with mother dearest. She behaved the same way toward me as she did when I was a little girl: verbal and physical attacks. She is mentally unstable and has dependent personality; completely unable to function without someone taking care of her. I got out as quickly as possible and headed straight to my therapist to get a "tune up." Now, I make sure I keep my distance from my mother and brother as they are still practicing alcoholics and being around them only triggers horrific memories. They are who they are and it is not healthy for me to be in a relationship with them. I have never idolized my mother as you stated about yours. However, even at age 54, I have always hoped that my mother would finally accept me for who I am. That's not going to happen so detachment is the best solution for me.
Our stories may be quite different but as women and mothers we are similar. I knew from a very young age that I would NEVER physically, verbally, or emotionally harm my sons. I promised myself I would not become my mother.
I know I'm off topic, but by examining our own life experiences, we can try to understand what happened in the Anthony's household that would create such a monster as Casey.
We learn from each other. :)
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

You are still the funny kid! I love it. I can relate to your life story in many ways, Nawn. While my family is much smaller, I am the oldest and "the only one that got out." My mother didn't want me or my younger sister and made sure we heard that every single day while growing up. My younger brother came along and "only boy, only joy"! He continues to be the perfect child and my sister & I are worthless in her eyes. When my father took his own life this past March, I moved in briefly to take care of my mother. It was ONE of the worst choices I've made in my life. Living in my childhood home with the woman who beat me daily was more than I could mentally tolerate. My intentions were noble and I truly thought I had worked through the abuse and trauma from childhood during my 3 years of therapy so told myself: "You are past this now and can handle anything that comes your way." I simply couldn't. Even after all these years. It was re-traumatizing to me living there with mother dearest. She behaved the same way toward me as she did when I was a little girl: verbal and physical attacks. She is mentally unstable and has dependent personality; completely unable to function without someone taking care of her. I got out as quickly as possible and headed straight to my therapist to get a "tune up." Now, I make sure I keep my distance from my mother and brother as they are still practicing alcoholics and being around them only triggers horrific memories. They are who they are and it is not healthy for me to be in a relationship with them. I have never idolized my mother as you stated about yours. However, even at age 54, I have always hoped that my mother would finally accept me for who I am. That's not going to happen so detachment is the best solution for me.
Our stories may be quite different but as women and mothers we are similar. I knew from a very young age that I would NEVER physically, verbally, or emotionally harm my sons. I promised myself I would not become my mother.
I know I'm off topic, but by examining our own life experiences, we can try to understand what happened in the Anthony's household that would create such a monster as Casey.
We learn from each other. :)
DrewB

Exactly why it's not really OT. Many of us here had actual struggles and roadblocks to overcome to become the best parents we could be. Casey just didn't give a rat's ass, and G&C have made it easy to see where she gets her superiority complex.

[Gatordog]

I've often wondered what it's like inside that house now that it is just the two of them (or is Lee living back at home?). It must be either very quiet or one voice doing all the barking.:shrug: For G's reputation of having quite a temper, it seems he's awfully meek when it comes to wifie. Maybe it's bottled up rage against her taken out elsewhere :shrug: Had to smile at 'normal progression'. As noted by just about everyone here, nothing with this couple is normal. I do find it hard to believe that they can still think their daughter is innocent. Denial is a safe place for them until a trial smacks them in the faces with truth.

It's my guess that Lee is still living with them. The last three times I've "patrolled" the house, his car was in the driveway.

Gator

[DrewBerry]

Exactly why it's not really OT. Many of us here had actual struggles and roadblocks to overcome to become the best parents we could be. Casey just didn't give a rat's ass, and G&C have made it easy to see where she gets her superiority complex.


You are so right, Loretta. I love the way you write. No BS. Just bottom line. :cool:
DrewB

[beemer]

It's my guess that Lee is still living with them. The last three times I've "patrolled" the house, his car was in the driveway.

Gator
My gawd i cant even imagine living there. I wonder if Mallory is still around? Man i would :chicken: so fast all their heads would spin. I just could not handle them as in-laws no matter how much i felt for Lee. Nor would i want them anywhere near my offspring.

[Amy]

Something tells me Nawny and has told me if G was going to see the light and up and leave he would have done so by now. It boggles my mind what those two talk about. One would think at some point most couples would look at each other and feel some guilt and ask where did we go wrong. That would be a normal progression. I highly doubt these two would even entertain such convo and I wonder if they still believe she is innocent. They are so quiet now. I guess the fact that dont look at Liars guilt keeps them from looking at themselves. Thanks for sharing your story Nawny. So sad what some families do to each other to keep the peace :rose: Your the one that can hold your head high.

But, he did leave @ one time. Before his gambling episode? After his gambling episode? Did he have a girl friend or two before he left? After he left? Why in the world did he come back, if he was out from under? Did he leave or did Cindy send him packing?

I understand the possible motive for Cindy to let him back--the fact that she was the wage earner and most of their possessions were probably bought w/her money--and yet, in a divorce, she would have to divide even-steven w/George. But, they wouldn't have had to go thru a divorce--there wouldn't have been any division of property if they were just perpetually separated.

I guess there was some kind of hold Cindy had over George to get him to come back. Or, was it something that George had on Cindy that compelled her to take him back? I remember reading that Cindy's friend who lived in her house had to move out to allow George to move back in. Guess maybe he wasn't as pliable as George, so it wasn't a big deal to let him go?

I guess all this really has nothing to do w/who murdered Caylee and why. But it sure would be an interesting aspect of the family dynamics to find out what was going on. I do remember Cindy saying in one of her interviews that Lee and Casey were "on her side" in whatever was going on, and that they didn't have much of a relationship w/George during the separation. And, in one of the jail videos, Casey did mention that she was asking that George be the one who could see her alone. In addition to the statement that "Mom and Lee just ask the same questions over and over" Casey mentioned it was because they hadn't had time to be close or something along that line. But, Caylee was almost 3 y/o--and IIRC, it was about the time she was born that George "returned" to the family fold. Would seem like they could have built some type of father/daughter relationship in 2 1/2 years!!!!

IMO

[Wagsy]

You are still the funny kid! I love it. I can relate to your life story in many ways, Nawn. While my family is much smaller, I am the oldest and "the only one that got out." My mother didn't want me or my younger sister and made sure we heard that every single day while growing up. My younger brother came along and "only boy, only joy"! He continues to be the perfect child and my sister & I are worthless in her eyes. When my father took his own life this past March, I moved in briefly to take care of my mother. It was ONE of the worst choices I've made in my life. Living in my childhood home with the woman who beat me daily was more than I could mentally tolerate. My intentions were noble and I truly thought I had worked through the abuse and trauma from childhood during my 3 years of therapy so told myself: "You are past this now and can handle anything that comes your way." I simply couldn't. Even after all these years. It was re-traumatizing to me living there with mother dearest. She behaved the same way toward me as she did when I was a little girl: verbal and physical attacks. She is mentally unstable and has dependent personality; completely unable to function without someone taking care of her. I got out as quickly as possible and headed straight to my therapist to get a "tune up." Now, I make sure I keep my distance from my mother and brother as they are still practicing alcoholics and being around them only triggers horrific memories. They are who they are and it is not healthy for me to be in a relationship with them. I have never idolized my mother as you stated about yours. However, even at age 54, I have always hoped that my mother would finally accept me for who I am. That's not going to happen so detachment is the best solution for me.
Our stories may be quite different but as women and mothers we are similar. I knew from a very young age that I would NEVER physically, verbally, or emotionally harm my sons. I promised myself I would not become my mother.
I know I'm off topic, but by examining our own life experiences, we can try to understand what happened in the Anthony's household that would create such a monster as Casey.
We learn from each other. :)
DrewB

I think you've made a good choice to help yourself by keeping a distance and I give you a lot of credit for trying to help but I do understand the re-traumatizing. It happened every year for too many years on our annual visit back to see our families. You'd think we'd have learned but kept going back for more. :punch: Shows you have matured and moved on, IMO. I, too, vowed I was not going to repeat the abuse on my children and Casey must have just enjoyed the good life so much that she didn't care that the abuse was being doubled upon poor Caylee with the pulling from both directions to see who would win her affections. So sad for Caylee in her short life. No wonder that in a lot of her photos her eyes seem sad the older she got.

And, thanks Gator for being the eyes for all. I've so appreciated your input.

[Wagsy]

But, he did leave @ one time. Before his gambling episode? After his gambling episode? Did he have a girl friend or two before he left? After he left? Why in the world did he come back, if he was out from under? Did he leave or did Cindy send him packing?

I understand the possible motive for Cindy to let him back--the fact that she was the wage earner and most of their possessions were probably bought w/her money--and yet, in a divorce, she would have to divide even-steven w/George. But, they wouldn't have had to go thru a divorce--there wouldn't have been any division of property if they were just perpetually separated.

I guess there was some kind of hold Cindy had over George to get him to come back. Or, was it something that George had on Cindy that compelled her to take him back? I remember reading that Cindy's friend who lived in her house had to move out to allow George to move back in. Guess maybe he wasn't as pliable as George, so it wasn't a big deal to let him go?

I guess all this really has nothing to do w/who murdered Caylee and why. But it sure would be an interesting aspect of the family dynamics to find out what was going on. I do remember Cindy saying in one of her interviews that Lee and Casey were "on her side" in whatever was going on, and that they didn't have much of a relationship w/George during the separation. And, in one of the jail videos, Casey did mention that she was asking that George be the one who could see her alone. In addition to the statement that "Mom and Lee just ask the same questions over and over" Casey mentioned it was because they hadn't had time to be close or something along that line. But, Caylee was almost 3 y/o--and IIRC, it was about the time she was born that George "returned" to the family fold. Would seem like they could have built some type of father/daughter relationship in 2 1/2 years!!!!

IMO

Super post!!! :beer:

[JLette]

But, he did leave @ one time. Before his gambling episode? After his gambling episode? Did he have a girl friend or two before he left? After he left? Why in the world did he come back, if he was out from under? Did he leave or did Cindy send him packing?

I understand the possible motive for Cindy to let him back--the fact that she was the wage earner and most of their possessions were probably bought w/her money--and yet, in a divorce, she would have to divide even-steven w/George. But, they wouldn't have had to go thru a divorce--there wouldn't have been any division of property if they were just perpetually separated.

I guess there was some kind of hold Cindy had over George to get him to come back. Or, was it something that George had on Cindy that compelled her to take him back? I remember reading that Cindy's friend who lived in her house had to move out to allow George to move back in. Guess maybe he wasn't as pliable as George, so it wasn't a big deal to let him go?

I guess all this really has nothing to do w/who murdered Caylee and why. But it sure would be an interesting aspect of the family dynamics to find out what was going on. I do remember Cindy saying in one of her interviews that Lee and Casey were "on her side" in whatever was going on, and that they didn't have much of a relationship w/George during the separation. And, in one of the jail videos, Casey did mention that she was asking that George be the one who could see her alone. In addition to the statement that "Mom and Lee just ask the same questions over and over" Casey mentioned it was because they hadn't had time to be close or something along that line. But, Caylee was almost 3 y/o--and IIRC, it was about the time she was born that George "returned" to the family fold. Would seem like they could have built some type of father/daughter relationship in 2 1/2 years!!!!

IMO

IIRC George had moved out for a period of time before Caylee was born, but when they "found out" that Casey was pregnant in her final trimester he came back to be close to his first grandchild. at least thats what i read or heard somewhere at some point. :shrug:

[shadydaisy]

My gawd i cant even imagine living there. I wonder if Mallory is still around? Man i would :chicken: so fast all their heads would spin. I just could not handle them as in-laws no matter how much i felt for Lee. Nor would i want them anywhere near my offspring.

No Mallory updates recently. I wonder if she bailed out on the family. At some point she had to come to her senses, didn't she? I can only hope. It's hard to keep making excuses for that family; I can only hope that maybe she saw the light and beat feet.

[SaraSidle]

IIRC George had moved out for a period of time before Caylee was born, but when they "found out" that Casey was pregnant in her final trimester he came back to be close to his first grandchild. at least thats what i read or heard somewhere at some point. :shrug:

My memory is not the best but I thought George had been gambling on line and they lost a lot of money. I think C kicked him out but eventually asked him to come back due to financial reasons. I also think that is why they moved to Florida to be near her parents. I could be totally wrong. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]

You are so right, Loretta. I love the way you write. No BS. Just bottom line. :cool:
DrewB

Thanks, Babe. I think despite the fact that we have differing opinions around here, we are similar philosophically. We believe in love, family, work ethic, and communication. I'm not sure which values the Anthonys possess that I can relate to.

[lorettalockhorn]

My gawd i cant even imagine living there. I wonder if Mallory is still around? Man i would :chicken: so fast all their heads would spin. I just could not handle them as in-laws no matter how much i felt for Lee. Nor would i want them anywhere near my offspring.

Mallory was on the board of directors of the foundation, I'll check and see if she's still in good standing there. Can't imagine the Ants allowing her to remain in the fold if she wasn't still drinking the Casey Koolaid.

[lorettalockhorn]

But, he did leave @ one time. Before his gambling episode? After his gambling episode? Did he have a girl friend or two before he left? After he left? Why in the world did he come back, if he was out from under? Did he leave or did Cindy send him packing?

I understand the possible motive for Cindy to let him back--the fact that she was the wage earner and most of their possessions were probably bought w/her money--and yet, in a divorce, she would have to divide even-steven w/George. But, they wouldn't have had to go thru a divorce--there wouldn't have been any division of property if they were just perpetually separated.

I guess there was some kind of hold Cindy had over George to get him to come back. Or, was it something that George had on Cindy that compelled her to take him back? I remember reading that Cindy's friend who lived in her house had to move out to allow George to move back in. Guess maybe he wasn't as pliable as George, so it wasn't a big deal to let him go?

I guess all this really has nothing to do w/who murdered Caylee and why. But it sure would be an interesting aspect of the family dynamics to find out what was going on. I do remember Cindy saying in one of her interviews that Lee and Casey were "on her side" in whatever was going on, and that they didn't have much of a relationship w/George during the separation. And, in one of the jail videos, Casey did mention that she was asking that George be the one who could see her alone. In addition to the statement that "Mom and Lee just ask the same questions over and over" Casey mentioned it was because they hadn't had time to be close or something along that line. But, Caylee was almost 3 y/o--and IIRC, it was about the time she was born that George "returned" to the family fold. Would seem like they could have built some type of father/daughter relationship in 2 1/2 years!!!!

IMO

I don't remember reading this before, got any details?

[JLette]

My memory is not the best but I thought George had been gambling on line and they lost a lot of money. I think C kicked him out but eventually asked him to come back due to financial reasons. I also think that is why they moved to Florida to be near her parents. I could be totally wrong. IMO sara

i am pretty sure that they moved to Florida long long before the marital problems started, casey and lee were both very young, even attended elementary school at the school near which casey eventually dumped caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

According to this, Mallory and her mother are still listed as directors, and Lee's address is still the old homeplace:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

Annual report (with the same info):

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2009/0430/53757431.tif

[lorettalockhorn]

i am pretty sure that they moved to Florida long long before the marital problems started, casey and lee were both very young, even attended elementary school at the school near which casey eventually dumped caylee.

I kinda had the impression that Casey and George have never gotten along, and that the gambling thing happened after FL. Seems like that's was preceded the separation and the divorce was filed in Orange County court.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if LE has confirmed that the loss of money occurred as George reported.

[beemer]

I do remember in IIRC an email or interview with Shirley (Cindy's mom) a reference to G&C gettting back together when C realized G would be entitled to half of what C worked for. And yes Loretta now i do remember Mallory was on that board-was Mallory's mother not as well? I do remember thinking at the time would a mother not want to distance themselves and her daughter from the Ants and not encourage contact :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

I do remember in IIRC an email or interview with Shirley (Cindy's mom) a reference to G&C gettting back together when C realized G would be entitled to half of what C worked for. And yes Loretta now i do remember Mallory was on that board-was Mallory's mother not as well? I do remember thinking at the time would a mother not want to distance themselves and her daughter from the Ants and not encourage contact :confused:

The separation and property settlement was a big topic of discussion in Shirley's emails. And I'm telling you, if Cindy didn't figureatively castrate George, MIL would have!

[beemer]

I kinda had the impression that Casey and George have never gotten along, and that the gambling thing happened after FL. Seems like that's was preceded the separation and the divorce was filed in Orange County court.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if LE has confirmed that the loss of money occurred as George reported.

Yes i always wondered about the $ thing too. I think as a former LE i would rather admit to a gambling addiction rather than falling for a Nigerian scam. Yes and my impression of G's relationship with Liar was not good. I think he was the one she could talk to and manipulate any ole way she pleased. When Liar wanted to talk to him from jail i concluded it was because C as nuts as she is still asked questions. G just seemed to feed her ego and talk her language-word salad :D

[SaraSidle]

i am pretty sure that they moved to Florida long long before the marital problems started, casey and lee were both very young, even attended elementary school at the school near which casey eventually dumped caylee.

thanks JLette. I read about that so long ago some of the stories just meld together in my mind. I used to keep track of everything but then I gave up after Caylee was found. long story. I appreciate the update. sara

Interesting I did read something on another thread a while back. When Caylee was being searched for, a female police officer and Casey's child hood friend Kiomarie went to the place Caylee's body was so Kio could show the police officer one of the places they used to hang out as kids. very strange if true.......IMO I think it was in the summer. prolly a rumor.

[Wagsy]

The separation and property settlement was a big topic of discussion in Shirley's emails. And I'm telling you, if Cindy didn't figureatively castrate George, MIL would have!

IMO it's a no-win situation either way. Can't live together or separate.

[shadydaisy]

According to this, Mallory and her mother are still listed as directors, and Lee's address is still the old homeplace:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

Annual report (with the same info):

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2009/0430/53757431.tif

Has this not for profit organization actually done anything beside buying a boat?

[beemer]

welcome Wagsy i have been meaning to do so :beer: We are growing folks:beer:

[DrewBerry]

I think you've made a good choice to help yourself by keeping a distance and I give you a lot of credit for trying to help but I do understand the re-traumatizing. It happened every year for too many years on our annual visit back to see our families. You'd think we'd have learned but kept going back for more. :punch: Shows you have matured and moved on, IMO. I, too, vowed I was not going to repeat the abuse on my children and Casey must have just enjoyed the good life so much that she didn't care that the abuse was being doubled upon poor Caylee with the pulling from both directions to see who would win her affections. So sad for Caylee in her short life. No wonder that in a lot of her photos her eyes seem sad the older she got.

And, thanks Gator for being the eyes for all. I've so appreciated your input.


ITA with ya, Wagsy. I noticed that Caylee's smile often seemed "forced" in some of the more recent pics. That tells volumes, IMO.
Thanks for the kind words. Good to see you here!:)
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

According to this, Mallory and her mother are still listed as directors, and Lee's address is still the old homeplace:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

Annual report (with the same info):

http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2009/0430/53757431.tif

Thanks for the links, Loretta.
Isn't it odd that there hasn't been any Lee and Mallory sightings? Hopefully, Mallory ran fast and far after seeing her BF slobbering all over his wrist at Caylee's memorial!!
DrewB

[Gatordog]

My memory is not the best but I thought George had been gambling on line and they lost a lot of money. I think C kicked him out but eventually asked him to come back due to financial reasons. I also think that is why they moved to Florida to be near her parents. I could be totally wrong. IMO sara

Remember that George told the police that he didn't gamble the money away but lost it in an internet Nigerian scheme. I don't buy either story. JMO

gator

[SaraSidle]

Remember that George told the police that he didn't gamble the money away but lost it in an internet Nigerian scheme. I don't buy either story. JMO

gator

Oh my Gator I do not remember that one at all. In fact the first thing I heard was porn and then I heard the gambling no Nigeria. Between my bad memory and I did not read posts for a few months I guess I am kinda out of it. I would hope he knew better than to post about Nigeria being a police person. Who knows? Who knows about anything?:shrug: I sure wish she would tell all. Cold day in heck.........IMO

You certainly seem to be getting a lot of rain. I hope you are not water-logged yet!!!!!!!! sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Remember that George told the police that he didn't gamble the money away but lost it in an internet Nigerian scheme. I don't buy either story. JMO

gator

Thanks for the reminder, I guess it was a gamble to post money in order to claim money. Duh George! They're all such a pack of liars, for all I know, it was Casey who got scammed and George bailed her out.

[Gatordog]

Has this not for profit organization actually done anything beside buying a boat?

Bought beer?

[beemer]

Thanks for the reminder, I guess it was a gamble to post money in order to claim money. Duh George! They're all such a pack of liars, for all I know, it was Casey who got scammed and George bailed her out.
Thats what i really think it was. C was the only one with a work ethic-Sorry i gotta give her that from the info we do know. I think they likely scammed C alot with money and that was the goods to manipulate each other to keep quiet.

[beemer]

Bought beer?
And just sat their assonthething :D

[Wagsy]

Bought beer?

Or was that bought do's at hair salons, paid the mortgage payments...:chicken:

[Gatordog]

thanks JLette. I read about that so long ago some of the stories just meld together in my mind. I used to keep track of everything but then I gave up after Caylee was found. long story. I appreciate the update. sara

Interesting I did read something on another thread a while back. When Caylee was being searched for, a female police officer and Casey's child hood friend Kiomarie went to the place Caylee's body was so Kio could show the police officer one of the places they used to hang out as kids. very strange if true.......IMO I think it was in the summer. prolly a rumor.

Just my observation of the Suburban drive site - right behind the private fence, the landscape is level and flat (where I put the sunflower seeds). A little further down, about 50 feet, it's not level at all. When you look at it from the street, abbout 15 feet into the woods is level but just beyond that, it takes about a 3 foot dip. This is why it flooded. If a bag was dumped there, it would be hard to see. If it was covered with swamp water or leaves, it would be impossible to see unless you walked directly to it and pushed around with a stick. Kronk said he walked into the woods. Also, if it was placed within ten feet of the street it would be seen, but when it rained. it could very well have been pushed further into the woods, down into the pit.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Tomorrow will be one year since this made the news....poor Caylee. The liar was partying hard right about now - then she fell hard. In my memory I can see her in hand cuffs, in that stolen blue hoodie and that sh*t eating "everyone is looking at me smirk" when they arrested her. She was so thrilled with herself, strutting her stuff for the TV cameras.

Gator

[BeastofBears]

Tomorrow will be one year since this made the news....poor Caylee. The liar was partying hard right about now - then she fell hard. In my memory I can see her in hand cuffs, in that stolen blue hoodie and that sh*t eating "everyone is looking at me smirk" when they arrested her. She was so thrilled with herself, strutting her stuff for the TV cameras.

Gator

Well, who wouldn't be thrilled with herself? Young, sexy, free and under arrest. Talk about having the world as your oyster...

[lorettalockhorn]

Tomorrow will be one year since this made the news....poor Caylee. The liar was partying hard right about now - then she fell hard. In my memory I can see her in hand cuffs, in that stolen blue hoodie and that sh*t eating "everyone is looking at me smirk" when they arrested her. She was so thrilled with herself, strutting her stuff for the TV cameras.

Gator

http://i38.tinypic.com/2i9coh.jpg
Shoulders back. Show the rack.

http://i35.tinypic.com/28jjupx.jpg
RIP Caylee

[deacon]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2i9coh.jpg
Shoulders back. Show the rack.

http://i35.tinypic.com/28jjupx.jpg
RIP Caylee


At least there seems to be someone who really loved her. Too bad she didn't see him anymore.

I hope she likes girls. Or maybe I don't.

[SaraSidle]

Just my observation of the Suburban drive site - right behind the private fence, the landscape is level and flat (where I put the sunflower seeds). A little further down, about 50 feet, it's not level at all. When you look at it from the street, abbout 15 feet into the woods is level but just beyond that, it takes about a 3 foot dip. This is why it flooded. If a bag was dumped there, it would be hard to see. If it was covered with swamp water or leaves, it would be impossible to see unless you walked directly to it and pushed around with a stick. Kronk said he walked into the woods. Also, if it was placed within ten feet of the street it would be seen, but when it rained. it could very well have been pushed further into the woods, down into the pit.

Gator

Thanks Gator. It may have been after the hurricane. sara

I still think it was wonderful for you to plant flowers.

[deacon]

Thanks Gator. It may have been after the hurricane. sara

I still think it was wonderful for you to plant flowers.

Yes and I'll bet Caylee looked down and loved them and you for putting them there.:rose:

[SaraSidle]

Well it was so nice to see MJ on NG. I have not seen that in quite a while.
I wonder if she will ever bring up Caylee again. IMO sara:rolleyes:

[wind149]

Deacon, I see your letter did not make it on to NG's show and it probably won't because she was in a frenzy tonight for the two seconds I gave her to feature some other topic other than MJ so she lost a fan in me because I could give a sheep's ass what is the latest gossip being touted with bated breath!!! I am so sick of hearing about him and his addictions and his madness and look, in the 80's he was really on his game and he was good at what he did, but fade to the late 90's and he was doing nothing but drugs and spending money and then he molested a child and only married Lisa Marie for damage control and then in 2003 he is charged with many counts of molestation and went on trial and he was found not guilty and since then, he has done nothing but drugs and spend money he no longer had and I wonder just how much time he did spend with his kids when there are claims, he took those drugs where he would be spaced out for days, typical addict behavior, don't come back to the real world very often and then he died and oh well, so did Elvis and a host of other people that died by their own demons. And I read today where the mayor of LA is insisting that the town foot the bill for that charade to the tune of 3.5 million and I can name 1,000 other things they could have done with that money. They claim they have a serious homeless population in LA, why not build more affordable housing? NOOOO can't do that, MJ comes first over a guy who went to war, came back messed up and is living on the streets, a broken man,. but he wouldn't be if he could afford a home. but a dead addict comes before him and the other lost souls and not all of them are bums and addicts and hookers. So I guess NG has lost a fan and so has Jane.

[deacon]

Well it was so nice to see MJ on NG. I have not seen that in quite a while.
I wonder if she will ever bring up Caylee again. IMO sara:rolleyes:

I turned the channel. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I doubt if President Obama would get that much coverage if he died.

I have nothing against him. He was a drug abuser and was accused of all sorts of other things but that isn't my problem with all of this. He was a man, nothing more. A man who could sing and dance. So. That doesn't mean he needs all this hooplah. The ones I really feel sorry for are the kids. They didn't have much of a chance with him as a father figure but they have none at all now. I really doubt that those kids know what a real father is.

[lorettalockhorn]

At least there seems to be someone who really loved her. Too bad she didn't see him anymore.

I hope she likes girls. Or maybe I don't.

The pic of Caylee with Mr. Plesea is one of my faves. It's haunting that she looks so pensive considering it's so near to the time she likely died. Poor baby. It's sad too what this has probably done to Al and Shirley and their health. God bless 'em.

[SaraSidle]

The pic of Caylee with Mr. Plesea is one of my faves. It's haunting that she looks so pensive considering it's so near to the time she likely died. Poor baby. It's sad too what this has probably done to Al and Shirley and their health. God bless 'em.

I think the same thing when I look at that pic. It is so sweet and so sad.IMO sara

[deacon]

Deacon, I see your letter did not make it on to NG's show and it probably won't because she was in a frenzy tonight for the two seconds I gave her to feature some other topic other than MJ so she lost a fan in me because I could give a sheep's ass what is the latest gossip being touted with bated breath!!! I am so sick of hearing about him and his addictions and his madness and look, in the 80's he was really on his game and he was good at what he did, but fade to the late 90's and he was doing nothing but drugs and spending money and then he molested a child and only married Lisa Marie for damage control and then in 2003 he is charged with many counts of molestation and went on trial and he was found not guilty and since then, he has done nothing but drugs and spend money he no longer had and I wonder just how much time he did spend with his kids when there are claims, he took those drugs where he would be spaced out for days, typical addict behavior, don't come back to the real world very often and then he died and oh well, so did Elvis and a host of other people that died by their own demons. And I read today where the mayor of LA is insisting that the town foot the bill for that charade to the tune of 3.5 million and I can name 1,000 other things they could have done with that money. They claim they have a serious homeless population in LA, why not build more affordable housing? NOOOO can't do that, MJ comes first over a guy who went to war, came back messed up and is living on the streets, a broken man,. but he wouldn't be if he could afford a home. but a dead addict comes before him and the other lost souls and not all of them are bums and addicts and hookers. So I guess NG has lost a fan and so has Jane.

Didn't look. It was some what sickening. I really doubt that they even gave it a second thought. It isn't the story of the day for ratings

[deacon]

The pic of Caylee with Mr. Plesea is one of my faves. It's haunting that she looks so pensive considering it's so near to the time she likely died. Poor baby. It's sad too what this has probably done to Al and Shirley and their health. God bless 'em.

The look on his face is priceless. And you can not fool a child. They know deep down who really loves them.:rose:

[DrewBerry]

And just sat their assonthething :D

Hey Gator and Beemer! You two are hysterical! LMAO (not on the thing)! :beer:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

The pic of Caylee with Mr. Plesea is one of my faves. It's haunting that she looks so pensive considering it's so near to the time she likely died. Poor baby. It's sad too what this has probably done to Al and Shirley and their health. God bless 'em.

I love this pic, too, Loretta. First time I saw it, it brought tears to my eyes. So precious, so sad. What a waste.

By the way, I couldn't help but crack up when I read your comment shoulders back . . .! How DO you come up with those?! :D

DrewB

[lighthousedazy]

I turned the channel. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I doubt if President Obama would get that much coverage if he died.

I have nothing against him. He was a drug abuser and was accused of all sorts of other things but that isn't my problem with all of this. He was a man, nothing more. A man who could sing and dance. So. That doesn't mean he needs all this hooplah. The ones I really feel sorry for are the kids. They didn't have much of a chance with him as a father figure but they have none at all now. I really doubt that those kids know what a real father is.I feel sorry for the children, they cannot help their happenstance, (I may have used the wrong word here). I feel that they were manufactured, molded, etc. unaturally by Michael for the purpose of his benefit. I do agree they probably don't know what a real father is. It is almost the same with Elvis. It is sad that these idols were so talented, unhappy and damaged their bodies with drugs. JMO, if you are not happy with yourself, don't produce children. moo :rose:

[lighthousedazy]

At least there seems to be someone who really loved her. Too bad she didn't see him anymore.

I hope she likes girls. Or maybe I don't.The picture with her great grandfather is extremely sad. I think Caylee was probably killed within 24 to 30 hours after this pic was made. jmo :(

[Nawny]

Noooooooooooo! Of the three, Maddie was THE Best! She was so much fun and while she was supposed to be washing my mouth out with soap, we just laughed and did our best to make it sound like crying. :hat: Her sisters, Bennie and Nellie were sticks in the mud and if their job had been to punish me, they would have. Probably gladly. LOL

ETA: Flove the naughty finger smiley!!

Oooo I'm sorry. I messed up. I thought Maddie was the baddie. Okay I have to find two other fingers. ;)

Your childhood should be a book Lor! LOL!

[Nawny]

We were only two, and home was nothing like yours in any way, but I always felt responsible for my mother's happiness also.

Long story.

Best heard over some :beer: (well, wine, actually for me - but there's no smilie for that)

I hear ya Marian! It's too bad we all don't live in Desperate housewives-ville. We could gather for some chit chat and clink our glasses to the past! It made us all stronger, for sure!

[Nawny]

You are still the funny kid! I love it. I can relate to your life story in many ways, Nawn. While my family is much smaller, I am the oldest and "the only one that got out." My mother didn't want me or my younger sister and made sure we heard that every single day while growing up. My younger brother came along and "only boy, only joy"! He continues to be the perfect child and my sister & I are worthless in her eyes. When my father took his own life this past March, I moved in briefly to take care of my mother. It was ONE of the worst choices I've made in my life. Living in my childhood home with the woman who beat me daily was more than I could mentally tolerate. My intentions were noble and I truly thought I had worked through the abuse and trauma from childhood during my 3 years of therapy so told myself: "You are past this now and can handle anything that comes your way." I simply couldn't. Even after all these years. It was re-traumatizing to me living there with mother dearest. She behaved the same way toward me as she did when I was a little girl: verbal and physical attacks. She is mentally unstable and has dependent personality; completely unable to function without someone taking care of her. I got out as quickly as possible and headed straight to my therapist to get a "tune up." Now, I make sure I keep my distance from my mother and brother as they are still practicing alcoholics and being around them only triggers horrific memories. They are who they are and it is not healthy for me to be in a relationship with them. I have never idolized my mother as you stated about yours. However, even at age 54, I have always hoped that my mother would finally accept me for who I am. That's not going to happen so detachment is the best solution for me.
Our stories may be quite different but as women and mothers we are similar. I knew from a very young age that I would NEVER physically, verbally, or emotionally harm my sons. I promised myself I would not become my mother.
I know I'm off topic, but by examining our own life experiences, we can try to understand what happened in the Anthony's household that would create such a monster as Casey.
We learn from each other. :)
DrewB

Yes dear friend. I've done the counseling therapy too and it was like trying to run away from the disappointment with a ton of bricks on your back! But we come full circle, don't we? There is nowhere to run except back to the truth that hurts so much.

By virtue of the the word MOTHER, we are hard pressed to accept that they are all not Mrs Cleaver. With great respect for the icon that the mother of Christ represents, I know they are only people. I'm not religious, but I know a mother when I see one.

We all enjoy a good drink now and then but some.... you know the drill.

I've dealt with so many alcoholics for so many years I deserve a PhD in the subject. It's hard to make the break, but dammit, it's wonderful without them. :) I'm so happy you found the strength to know you can't retrofit a childhood. I know exactly why you went back home. Sadly, detaching is the only alternative sometimes.

You go girl! Tune ups are good, yes. :seeya:

[Nawny]

bought beer?

haaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.caylee.anniversary/index.html


this was posted at CNN today. sara

[Amy]

Deacon, I see your letter did not make it on to NG's show and it probably won't because she was in a frenzy tonight for the two seconds I gave her to feature some other topic other than MJ so she lost a fan in me because I could give a sheep's ass what is the latest gossip being touted with bated breath!!! I am so sick of hearing about him and his addictions and his madness and look, in the 80's he was really on his game and he was good at what he did, but fade to the late 90's and he was doing nothing but drugs and spending money and then he molested a child and only married Lisa Marie for damage control and then in 2003 he is charged with many counts of molestation and went on trial and he was found not guilty and since then, he has done nothing but drugs and spend money he no longer had and I wonder just how much time he did spend with his kids when there are claims, he took those drugs where he would be spaced out for days, typical addict behavior, don't come back to the real world very often and then he died and oh well, so did Elvis and a host of other people that died by their own demons. And I read today where the mayor of LA is insisting that the town foot the bill for that charade to the tune of 3.5 million and I can name 1,000 other things they could have done with that money. They claim they have a serious homeless population in LA, why not build more affordable housing? NOOOO can't do that, MJ comes first over a guy who went to war, came back messed up and is living on the streets, a broken man,. but he wouldn't be if he could afford a home. but a dead addict comes before him and the other lost souls and not all of them are bums and addicts and hookers. So I guess NG has lost a fan and so has Jane.

WTF????? Is someone ousting the mayor as we post? S/he (sorry, have NO CLUE who the mayor is) should be recalled for even THINKING the city should pay one red cent about the hoopla. Well, I am sure there was an economic effect (good one) from all the millions of people who flocked to LA and nearby places to say goodby to their "hero" or whatever he was to them. I'm sure there was some serious money laid out to pay for motels, gas, food, etc by the fans. IMO, not only the $$ the mayor would be spending on this, but also all the $$ brought in by the fans should be spend on the important things the city faces in this time of economic distress.

I don't know how well MJ's coffers were lined @ the time of his death, but it seems his estate and his family should foot the bill for all the hoopla. Us mere mortals must make do for the funerals of our loved ones with what money we have. The cities don't foot the bill for anything. And, you know, if paying for his fabulous farewell party was an issue, perhaps they should have placed him in a less gaudy coffin, one that would cost a couple of thousand bucks, and spend the rest of the $26,000 on the festivities.

Or, God forbid, forego ALL the hoopla and donate ALL that money to various charities--most notably ones who care for children, in honor of his children who, I'm betting, are going to be in the need of some kind of services themselves.

[beemer]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.caylee.anniversary/index.html


this was posted at CNN today. sara

Thanks Sara-hard to believe and here we still are :rose:

[BeastofBears]

WTF????? Is someone ousting the mayor as we post? S/he (sorry, have NO CLUE who the mayor is) should be recalled for even THINKING the city should pay one red cent about the hoopla. Well, I am sure there was an economic effect (good one) from all the millions of people who flocked to LA and nearby places to say goodby to their "hero" or whatever he was to them. I'm sure there was some serious money laid out to pay for motels, gas, food, etc by the fans. IMO, not only the $$ the mayor would be spending on this, but also all the $$ brought in by the fans should be spend on the important things the city faces in this time of economic distress.

I don't know how well MJ's coffers were lined @ the time of his death, but it seems his estate and his family should foot the bill for all the hoopla. Us mere mortals must make do for the funerals of our loved ones with what money we have. The cities don't foot the bill for anything. And, you know, if paying for his fabulous farewell party was an issue, perhaps they should have placed him in a less gaudy coffin, one that would cost a couple of thousand bucks, and spend the rest of the $26,000 on the festivities.

Or, God forbid, forego ALL the hoopla and donate ALL that money to various charities--most notably ones who care for children, in honor of his children who, I'm betting, are going to be in the need of some kind of services themselves.

imo, Villaraigosa is crazy. But that seems to be a prerequisite for being a big city mayor in California.

[lorettalockhorn]

The picture with her great grandfather is extremely sad. I think Caylee was probably killed within 24 to 30 hours after this pic was made. jmo :(

I think so too. Guess it's that bit of subjective thinking that makes the pic so haunting.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oooo I'm sorry. I messed up. I thought Maddie was the baddie. Okay I have to find two other fingers. ;)

Your childhood should be a book Lor! LOL!

LMAO Maddie was the nice one, and she was the first person I ever allowed to babysit for my little man, that's how much I trusted her. :tongue:

Hmmm My life as a book. Ramona Quimby meets Trixie Beldon? :hat:

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony case began one year ago today
Casey Anthony's daughter, Caylee Anthony, was reported missing one year ago today.


Bianca Prieto Sentinel Staff Writer
7:32 AM EDT, July 15, 2009

One year ago today police and the public were introduced to what would become one of the most strange and bizarre cases to rock Central Florida in years -- it's the day Caylee Marie Anthony was finally reported missing.

A frantic and sobbing Cindy Anthony made two very different 911 calls that night. First to report her daughter Casey Anthony for stealing the family car and money. About an hour later, she called deputies again -- this time frantic and panic stricken to report that her granddaughter Caylee Anthony had been stolen.

She told a dispatcher it "smelled like there's been a dead body" in the car driven by her daughter, Casey Anthony. The toddler hadn't been seen in a month.

Casey Anthony told deputies, friends and her parents that she'd dropped her brown-haired daughter off with a nanny named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez in June and never saw them again. Instead of reporting Caylee Anthony missing then, she waited and partied and did her own "investigation" to find her daughter, she told deputies.

Since that day the case has twisted and turned, drawn a bizarre national following and landed Casey Anthony with a first-degree murder charge in her daughter's slaying. The nanny, who deputies believe doesn't exist, has never been found.

The local and national media descended on the family's Lee Vista area home and picked their lives apart.

Five months later, the skeletal remains of missing Caylee Anthony were found in a wooded lot less than a mile from the Anthony family home by an Orange County employee. The medical examiner determined the child had been murdered.

The first-degree murder trial is slated to begin next January, however a check fraud case (Casey Anthony is also accused of stealing money from her friend) may start before then.

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony sits alone in an Orange County Jail cell with no visitors and no phone calls. People from around the country keep a balance in her commissary account and the snacks, candy bars and junk food stocked in her cell.

The case is far from over.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-anniversary-071509,0,6588217.story

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.caylee.anniversary/index.html


this was posted at CNN today. sara

Good summary, thanks!

[Nawny]

Found this on my CNN home page!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.caylee.anniversary/index.html

Happy anniversary A's! May you have many more like it.


For Caylee that precious angel :rose:

[browneyes106]

I wonder if NG will split her show tonight between MJ and Caylee. A year ago today was the beginning of the end for Casey and hopefully by next year she will be in a Florida prison.

[DrewBerry]

Yes dear friend. I've done the counseling therapy too and it was like trying to run away from the disappointment with a ton of bricks on your back! But we come full circle, don't we? There is nowhere to run except back to the truth that hurts so much.

By virtue of the the word MOTHER, we are hard pressed to accept that they are all not Mrs Cleaver. With great respect for the icon that the mother of Christ represents, I know they are only people. I'm not religious, but I know a mother when I see one.

We all enjoy a good drink now and then but some.... you know the drill.

I've dealt with so many alcoholics for so many years I deserve a PhD in the subject. It's hard to make the break, but dammit, it's wonderful without them. :) I'm so happy you found the strength to know you can't retrofit a childhood. I know exactly why you went back home. Sadly, detaching is the only alternative sometimes.

You go girl! Tune ups are good, yes. :seeya:

Nawny, you are truly one of the wisest women I know. Yes, it is wonderful without them---very liberating and peaceful. And, yes, you do deserve several PhD's!!
Thank you, friend.
DrewB

[friggie]

Well it was so nice to see MJ on NG. I have not seen that in quite a while.
I wonder if she will ever bring up Caylee again. IMO sara:rolleyes:



Yes I think we're all getting a little tired of the MJ news. Only comfort I get in it is thinking how it probably gripes their (Anthony's) assonthething that they are not in the news everyday and were overshadowed by MJ. Sorry Casey, you are not the rock star you think you are !


IMHO, of course

friggie

[Mojo]

Deacon, I see your letter did not make it on to NG's show and it probably won't because she was in a frenzy tonight for the two seconds I gave her to feature some other topic other than MJ so she lost a fan in me because I could give a sheep's ass what is the latest gossip being touted with bated breath!!! I am so sick of hearing about him and his addictions and his madness and look, in the 80's he was really on his game and he was good at what he did, but fade to the late 90's and he was doing nothing but drugs and spending money and then he molested a child and only married Lisa Marie for damage control and then in 2003 he is charged with many counts of molestation and went on trial and he was found not guilty and since then, he has done nothing but drugs and spend money he no longer had and I wonder just how much time he did spend with his kids when there are claims, he took those drugs where he would be spaced out for days, typical addict behavior, don't come back to the real world very often and then he died and oh well, so did Elvis and a host of other people that died by their own demons. And I read today where the mayor of LA is insisting that the town foot the bill for that charade to the tune of 3.5 million and I can name 1,000 other things they could have done with that money. They claim they have a serious homeless population in LA, why not build more affordable housing? NOOOO can't do that, MJ comes first over a guy who went to war, came back messed up and is living on the streets, a broken man,. but he wouldn't be if he could afford a home. but a dead addict comes before him and the other lost souls and not all of them are bums and addicts and hookers. So I guess NG has lost a fan and so has Jane.

Well said, Wind!! ITA :beer:

[Nawny]

Yes I think we're all getting a little tired of the MJ news. Only comfort I get in it is thinking how it probably gripes their (Anthony's) assonthething that they are not in the news everyday and were overshadowed by MJ. Sorry Casey, you are not the rock star you think you are !


IMHO, of course

friggie

friggie? How do you pronounce that? ? :eek: Sorry I come from NE. Nice to meetcha!

:)

Nope she's not at all what she thinks she is. I read a blurb today that struck me funny. It was a quote by Jose B. He said people will understand that she didn't do it when the truth comes out. (paraphrased)

WHAT TRUTH? She doesn't know how to spell the damn word! :cuss: The Easter Bunny did it I said, That's right, that's the ticket! That bad Easter Bunny, YETH HE IS BAD! :tongue:

[Nawny]

Yooooo hooooo!!!! Old_Soul!!! Where are yoooooooo????

Come out and play with us! It's ANNIVERSARY TIME! Come tell us what you're doing! At least come and tell me what to do with this mop of hair on my head! I'm cloooo lessss! It's a mess! I need a new idea!

Love ya, miss ya!
:seeya:

PS: I got my hair cut in NYC last fall. The hairdresser said, You're from RI huh? I said yeah, how'd ya know? She said I gave lectures at hair dresser conventions or some such there and happened to meet a few high end beauticians. They always cut the sides shorter than the back. You have a typical RI cut. Hmmmm. So I told her to cut it right. I hated it. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

friggie? How do you pronounce that? ? :eek: Sorry I come from NE. Nice to meetcha!

:)

Nope she's not at all what she thinks she is. I read a blurb today that struck me funny. It was a quote by Jose B. He said people will understand that she didn't do it when the truth comes out. (paraphrased)

WHAT TRUTH? She doesn't know how to spell the damn word! :cuss: The Easter Bunny did it I said, That's right, that's the ticket! That bad Easter Bunny, YETH HE IS BAD! :tongue:

hehehe The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers.

Natisha Lance told Mike Galanos on Prime News that the prosecution hopes to release more discovery at the end of the month, mostly photographs. She also spoke with the OCSO who is still working with the prosecution and asked if this is still an open case to determine cause of death, but got no definitive answer.

[lorettalockhorn]

I love this pic, too, Loretta. First time I saw it, it brought tears to my eyes. So precious, so sad. What a waste.

By the way, I couldn't help but crack up when I read your comment shoulders back . . .! How DO you come up with those?! :D

DrewB

DrewB, that was from Drop Dead Dive on Lifetime the other night. Cute show!

[SaraSidle]

DrewB, that was from Drop Dead Dive on Lifetime the other night. Cute show!

I cannot wait to see it. I cannot believe I missed it. sara:no:

I can see where you would get that shoulder's back for Divas. Casey reminds me of one. IMO sara

[DrewBerry]

DrewB, that was from Drop Dead Dive on Lifetime the other night. Cute show!

I'll have to remember that one, shoulders back, show your rack! Cracks me up.
I'm sure Casey's gone up a few bra sizes by now with all the pork rinds she's been snacking on. Bet she can't wait to be in front of the cameras again!

Well, my July/Cancer friend, today's my 55th b'day. Hope I get home in time to watch NG send me b'day wishes! Not! Anyway, 55 isn't so bad. Same as 54minus my gall bladder. Ha, Ha!

Wonder what Cindy's thinking today. Bet she's regretting her "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement.
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

I'll have to remember that one, shoulders back, show your rack! Cracks me up.
I'm sure Casey's gone up a few bra sizes by now with all the pork rinds she's been snacking on. Bet she can't wait to be in front of the cameras again!

Well, my July/Cancer friend, today's my 55th b'day. Hope I get home in time to watch NG send me b'day wishes! Not! Anyway, 55 isn't so bad. Same as 54minus my gall bladder. Ha, Ha!

Wonder what Cindy's thinking today. Bet she's regretting her "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement.
DrewB

Congratulations on #55 my fellow crab!!

http://i42.tinypic.com/35mfb41.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/118qekn.jpg

Let's see, when I was 55 last year, I was telling people I was 62 so they'd tell me just how FABU I look. ;)

[SaraSidle]

I'll have to remember that one, shoulders back, show your rack! Cracks me up.
I'm sure Casey's gone up a few bra sizes by now with all the pork rinds she's been snacking on. Bet she can't wait to be in front of the cameras again!

Well, my July/Cancer friend, today's my 55th b'day. Hope I get home in time to watch NG send me b'day wishes! Not! Anyway, 55 isn't so bad. Same as 54minus my gall bladder. Ha, Ha!

Wonder what Cindy's thinking today. Bet she's regretting her "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement.
DrewB

LOL good one Drew I am minus my appendix! sara

[deacon]

I'll have to remember that one, shoulders back, show your rack! Cracks me up.
I'm sure Casey's gone up a few bra sizes by now with all the pork rinds she's been snacking on. Bet she can't wait to be in front of the cameras again!

Well, my July/Cancer friend, today's my 55th b'day. Hope I get home in time to watch NG send me b'day wishes! Not! Anyway, 55 isn't so bad. Same as 54minus my gall bladder. Ha, Ha!

Wonder what Cindy's thinking today. Bet she's regretting her "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement.
DrewB

Happy Birthday

[lorettalockhorn]

I cannot wait to see it. I cannot believe I missed it. sara:no:

I can see where you would get that shoulder's back for Divas. Casey reminds me of one. IMO sara

You know they're going to rerun it into the ground, but it was cute. Let's see, it's on tonight at 7pm CDT, and tomorrow at 4, Friday at noon. In other words, you're going to get to see it! :tongue:

[DrewBerry]

Found this on my CNN home page!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.caylee.anniversary/index.html

Happy anniversary A's! May you have many more like it.


For Caylee that precious angel :rose:

Good one, Nawny. Here's to Cindy making an assonthething!!:beer:
DrewB

[SaraSidle]

You know they're going to rerun it into the ground, but it was cute. Let's see, it's on tonight at 7pm CDT, and tomorrow at 4, Friday at noon. In other words, you're going to get to see it! :tongue:

You are right. I will see a rerun. Guess who started her show with MJ? Nothing about Caylee yet. sara

[Nawny]

You are right. I will see a rerun. Guess who started her show with MJ? Nothing about Caylee yet. sara

I haven't watched NG on TV in over a week. I was watching her online today though re the murdered FLorida couple who adopted all those kids. She was grinding her ax with next to no information. :shrug:

I expect something on the A's tonight. No? I don't get to see it until 10pm.

[Gatordog]

I'll have to remember that one, shoulders back, show your rack! Cracks me up.
I'm sure Casey's gone up a few bra sizes by now with all the pork rinds she's been snacking on. Bet she can't wait to be in front of the cameras again!

Well, my July/Cancer friend, today's my 55th b'day. Hope I get home in time to watch NG send me b'day wishes! Not! Anyway, 55 isn't so bad. Same as 54minus my gall bladder. Ha, Ha!

Wonder what Cindy's thinking today. Bet she's regretting her "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement.
DrewB

Hmmm, maybe she's thinking of marking the aniversary with her special chili. :rolleyes:

Happy birthday Drewberry,

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Running behind so just started watching NG, but I have to wonder off the bat, why is MJ still getting so much airtime? No autopsy report yet, no tox report yet, so no COD and no one's been arrested yet for murder or manslaughter. Not to mention Debbie Rowe's sale of her children isn't finalized. Can't this go on the back burner? Despite the rude guest on JVM tonight who wouldn't STHU, the NATION is NOT in mourning over Jackson's death.

There. I feel better.

Prime News did give some airtime to Caylee's murder tonight. And HLN also spent some time on Neveah's autopsy. Goddamned SOB buried her alive. :flamemad:

[DrewBerry]

Thank you, Deacon!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Hmmm, maybe she's thinking of marking the aniversary with her special chili. :rolleyes:

Happy birthday Drewberry,

Gator

Hey Gator. Ha, Ha! That would explain why she's full of chit!! :D
Thanks for the b'day wishes! Good to see ya Gator.
DrewB

[deacon]

Running behind so just started watching NG, but I have to wonder off the bat, why is MJ still getting so much airtime? No autopsy report yet, no tox report yet, so no COD and no one's been arrested yet for murder or manslaughter. Not to mention Debbie Rowe's sale of her children isn't finalized. Can't this go on the back burner? Despite the rude guest on JVM tonight who wouldn't STHU, the NATION is NOT in mourning over Jackson's death.

There. I feel better.

Prime News did give some airtime to Caylee's murder tonight. And HLN also spent some time on Neveah's autopsy. Goddamned SOB buried her alive. :flamemad:

Not exactly how I would put it but I agree with the most of it.

MJ is still in the news for the same reason he was in the news to begin with. I does wonders for ratings (which these "news shows" work overtime to get) and because people worshiped him. A very large part is to be "politically correct." He was simply a man who could sing (some think, me not) and dance. Nothing more, nothing less. We really need for this nation to get a life and quit worshiping celebrities. It means nothing. They are no better nor any worse than any of us and I would much rather banter back and forth here with you folks than to see any of them in person. Most of their egos are so big you couldn't get in the same room with them.:rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

Not exactly how I would put it but I agree with the most of it.

MJ is still in the news for the same reason he was in the news to begin with. I does wonders for ratings (which these "news shows" work overtime to get) and because people worshiped him. A very large part is to be "politically correct." He was simply a man who could sing (some think, me not) and dance. Nothing more, nothing less. We really need for this nation to get a life and quit worshiping celebrities. It means nothing. They are no better nor any worse than any of us and I would much rather banter back and forth here with you folks than to see any of them in person. Most of their egos are so big you couldn't get in the same room with them.:rolleyes:

Well, I'm FFing Mikey. Flove my DVR. And flove your post.

[deacon]

Well, I'm FFing Mikey. Flove my DVR. And flove your post.

We all have anger attacks from time to time. Shows you really care about people.:D

[wind149]

One sick f*ck just like Couey, buries Naveah alive, am I surprised or shocked? No, because I am willing to bet that he emulated Couey, with the exception of the cement, that is his own sick twist, but these pukes either network with each other or hold their "heros" in high regard and Couey being one of the worst there ever was, this POS wants to be like him and I think that is either Kennedy or Smith, or both. What I want to hear from LE is that they have a DNA match either to semen or the beer can that was found in the "grave", but this was just a poor child from a poor town, she does not rate the lighting speed of test results or tox screens as "WACKO JACKO" so us mere mortals have to wait to find out which sick POS did this to that little angel and my money is on them because they both knew that low life Mommy was not a good one and let the child go outside to a park that was not very close to the complex they lived in and it was an easy snatch because the child trusted Kennedy and I think he lured her to the van with the promise of a treat and he probably told her that Mommy said it was OK to go with him and since this child was taught to obey him, she went to her death. It was reported that neighbors in the hood have not seen Mommy lately and my take is, who gives a sheep's ass what happens to her? She is probably shacking up with some other low life, could even be a SO, she seems to dig them, and smoking crack.

Yesterday here, and this is graphic you guys, a scumbag from Gladwin County which is only up the road from my house, a 2 year old girl was brought into the ER by her loser mother and her scum boyfriend. The child was bleeding heavily from her vaginal area and had been raped and sodomized severely, enough where she underwent 911 surgery to repair her rectum and torn vagina and I just went crazy with anger when I heard this on the am news!! The dumb broad, instead of calling the cops, she goes to the ER and brings the rapist with her??? He was taken into custody after the child told a policewoman that "Trent had hurt me in my bum and my bug" This from a TWO YEAR OLD!!!!! He is originally from OK and momma met him on the net and he comes out here and moved right in, this stupid loser woman does not know this POS has a record there for molestation and rape and instead of checking him out, she invites him to come live with her and the child!!

What a loser, I hate this broad with all I have!!!!! He is being held on a 2 million dollar bond which he won't raise and all I want is for him to get sodomized by 30 Bubba's and have his ass and intestines ripped right out of him, then I would feel justice has been served. The one consolation here, is they will put this puke away, possibly for life, unlike VT where he would get 4 months to a year if not probation!! Please all of you, keep this little angel in your prayers and hope that she can recover and maybe being so young, that she won't have to have nightmares for the rest of her life and can get past it. But these women out here, so hard up for a man, they drag any loser home they can find and this dumb low life, just bought his life story as he told it and let him just move right in on her child!! I would have called the cops the minute I saw her injuries and this loser comes to the ER with him, what the f*ck did she expect?

On our local forum, people hate her guts and one loser from OK claims he knows this puke and says she does not believe that he did this because he never hurt her girls????? If you want to read about this yourselves it is Midland Daily News.com. No matter how many of these scumbags are caught, 25 more come out of the woodwork the next day and it seems to me an epidemic and in VT because they know they get little time, they don't care how much they hurt kids, with the exception of the raper and murderer of Brooke Bennet, Michael Jacques who is facing the DP, most of these POS's get walks or a slap on the wrist and people in VT are fed up with the system and just last week, they finally decided that they need to get "tougher" with SO's???? Makes me want to be a one woman vigilante, but I would be the one getting the jail time if I blew one of these pukes away.

[deacon]

Yesterday here, and this is graphic you guys, a scumbag from Gladwin County which is only up the road from my house, a 2 year old girl was brought into the ER by her loser mother and her scum boyfriend. The child was bleeding heavily from her vaginal area and had been raped and sodomized severely, enough where she underwent 911 surgery to repair her rectum and torn vagina and I just went crazy with anger when I heard this on the am news!! The dumb broad, instead of calling the cops, she goes to the ER and brings the rapist with her??? He was taken into custody after the child told a policewoman that "Trent had hurt me in my bum and my bug" This from a TWO YEAR OLD!!!!! He is originally from OK and momma met him on the net and he comes out here and moved right in, this stupid loser woman does not know this POS has a record there for molestation and rape and instead of checking him out, she invites him to come live with her and the child!!



He doesn't need to last long enough to give bubba a chance. He needs to hang tonight. Slowly.:flamemad:

[beemer]

He doesn't need to last long enough to give bubba a chance. He needs to hang tonight. Slowly.:flamemad:

I'm opting to nail his ba..s to a stump and light it up. Not sure what to do with the mother :flamemad::cuss:

[beemer]

Happy Birthday Drew i hope you had a great day :rose: Thanks for the slice of cake Nawny on the other thread. Noshing as i type :biggrin:

[wind149]

WOW! A year ago is when Cindy made that infamous 911 call that started this whole case off and got picked up by all the networks where it has played out for the past year. I wonder if she regrets now saying that CA's car smells like there was a damm dead body in it?? Right there, she implicated her daughter as it was her car and I know at that moment she knew Caylee was dead, but you will never hear her admit it because this woman is a sociopath just like her daughter and to think I actually used to feel sympathy for her and Lap Dog, and now I feel nothing but contempt and hatred towards all of them, especially CINDY! I guess, like him or not, Padilla called that one right and while he is not a board scholar, that man is street smart to the max and don't forget he knows when he is being played or lied to, kinda like me, I could tell right off when one of our low lifes were trying to pull a fast one, like they are wasted, crash their car right through a building and then have the balls to call me from a bar and tell me his car was STOLEN????

And he was identified by a passerby who saw the whole thing and he ran from the scene whereas he went to the local bar and then when the guys go in and grab him, he says to me when they brought him in, "How did you find me"?? I said, "well you little moron, we have this new modern thing called CALLER ID and that someone fingered you" and without missing a beat, he says, "was that the guy in the black Ford"???? So you know Padilla has stared down many a low life in his day, but I bet at first, Cindy and for sure CA, threw him a curve because they appear to be just a middle class family unit and nothing could be further from the truth. He probably has heard more honesty from a junkie! I was surprised that the networks EVEN remembered that today was the day we knew Caylee was lost forever because that famous JUNKIE has overshadowed everything else going on in the US and I could give a crap less. Now I want this scumbag b*tch to go to trial and be sent to the death house. Do you all think the DA will be ready by Oct to take her to trial or is this going to be years from now??? I just want this over with and for her to get what is coming to her and then we should never hear from her low life family either except for the night of the execution.

[BeastofBears]

So, Wind...I take it you WON'T be outside the penitentiary holding a candle and singing Blowing in the Wind that night?

[DrewBerry]

Happy Birthday Drew i hope you had a great day :rose: Thanks for the slice of cake Nawny on the other thread. Noshing as i type :biggrin:

Thank you, Beemer! You guys are so nice! I really do consider many of you my friends even though we've never met. Such a great group. :)
DrewB

[SaraSidle]

Thank you, Beemer! You guys are so nice! I really do consider many of you my friends even though we've never met. Such a great group. :)
DrewB

DrewB There was a birthday girl on NG tonight but I did not get her name. There was a picture however. She loves to gamble on the Riverboat and drink Margueritas. I am not sure if this is you or not. Hope you had a great day. sara :beer:

NG did MJ again instead of Caylee even though this is the anniversary.

[Nawny]

So, Wind...I take it you WON'T be outside the penitentiary holding a candle and singing Blowing in the Wind that night?

LOL!!LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!!!!! Your'e a very funny bear! :tongue:

[Marian Paroo]

NG did MJ again instead of Caylee even though this is the anniversary.

And I assume that Greta did politics?

[Wagsy]

http://i38.tinypic.com/2i9coh.jpg
Shoulders back. Show the rack.

http://i35.tinypic.com/28jjupx.jpg
RIP Caylee

Hilarious and sad. You're right on the mark about Casey's picture and a wonderful tribute to Caylee in the second. May she RIP :rose: To think that no one knew her little life would be snuffed out in such a short time. :( Love your posts!

[Wagsy]

I turned the channel. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I doubt if President Obama would get that much coverage if he died.

I have nothing against him. He was a drug abuser and was accused of all sorts of other things but that isn't my problem with all of this. He was a man, nothing more. A man who could sing and dance. So. That doesn't mean he needs all this hooplah. The ones I really feel sorry for are the kids. They didn't have much of a chance with him as a father figure but they have none at all now. I really doubt that those kids know what a real father is.

I depend on all yous to keep me up to date with NG. Don't have a TV - choose not to at this point in life but do watch clips on YouTube. I agree, Deacon, he's just a man and now in death it seems he could have done nothing wrong. HA! Just as human as the rest of us. And I too, feel for the children. It's one thing to have children because we love them and another to have them just for the sake of being able to produce them.

[Nawny]

Thank you, Beemer! You guys are so nice! I really do consider many of you my friends even though we've never met. Such a great group. :)
DrewB

You're nice too DrewB! Isn't this a nice safe place to vent, laugh, learn and just be you? No threats, no passive agressive BS and no abuse! It's like reading the newspaper everday but it talks back to ya! And, it makes you laugh at times till tears come down your face! :hat: And, you don't have to feed it or pour it cawffee.

[Wagsy]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.caylee.anniversary/index.html


this was posted at CNN today. sara


Good post Sara! It was an interesting article. Worded very carefully. Thanks.

[Wagsy]

Nawny,

OT: Did I do the invite thingy right? Want to answer yes and invite you also? Verrrry new at this!

[Nawny]

I depend on all yous to keep me up to date with NG. Don't have a TV - choose not to at this point in life but do watch clips on YouTube. I agree, Deacon, he's just a man and now in death it seems he could have done nothing wrong. HA! Just as human as the rest of us. And I too, feel for the children. It's one thing to have children because we love them and another to have them just for the sake of being able to produce them.

Morning Wags! :seeya:


Michael Jackson was a strange one. I've seen all the psych evaluations and certainly his life was out of the mainstream of normal to any extent. But I see all of life as a classroom.

He is an example of fame and fortune for the most part. It makes me wonder why anyone would want it, but most people do want it. On the other side of the coin, the best things in life are really free! To be able to walk across the street, go into a sandwich shop, buy a bag of potato chips, or walk along the beach searching for beautiful shells, or even very simple things like, sitting in central park watching your dog romp around your feet are freedoms he never knew. He would have had to buy a park, and he did buy a park so he could enjoy a park!!!

Am I sad about this? I don't know. Our price for his fame was minimal I suppose, compared to his price. If Michael Jackson is the epitome of fame, I don't want it. May he RIP and have fun where ever he is. :rose:

My two cents.

[Wagsy]

WTF????? Is someone ousting the mayor as we post? S/he (sorry, have NO CLUE who the mayor is) should be recalled for even THINKING the city should pay one red cent about the hoopla. Well, I am sure there was an economic effect (good one) from all the millions of people who flocked to LA and nearby places to say goodby to their "hero" or whatever he was to them. I'm sure there was some serious money laid out to pay for motels, gas, food, etc by the fans. IMO, not only the $$ the mayor would be spending on this, but also all the $$ brought in by the fans should be spend on the important things the city faces in this time of economic distress.

I don't know how well MJ's coffers were lined @ the time of his death, but it seems his estate and his family should foot the bill for all the hoopla. Us mere mortals must make do for the funerals of our loved ones with what money we have. The cities don't foot the bill for anything. And, you know, if paying for his fabulous farewell party was an issue, perhaps they should have placed him in a less gaudy coffin, one that would cost a couple of thousand bucks, and spend the rest of the $26,000 on the festivities.

Or, God forbid, forego ALL the hoopla and donate ALL that money to various charities--most notably ones who care for children, in honor of his children who, I'm betting, are going to be in the need of some kind of services themselves.

ITA. Great thinking behind all this! "When my time comes, just put me in a pine box and put it in the ground" is what I've told my family. Why do we have this fascination with stars, entertainers, call them what you will? They are humans who have to use the restroom just like we do!?! Never cared for him myself JMO. But Caylee is a whole 'nother case at the opposite end of the spectrum. :flamemad:

[Nawny]

Nawny,

OT: Did I do the invite thingy right? Want to answer yes and invite you also? Verrrry new at this!

I'll check my friend status. I invited you and though I'm not really new at this, technology and me are strangers. lol! I'll message you and when you look up on the top right you will see the number one, just click it.

Opps, in order to message someone, just go to their name on top of the post and you'll see the option wags.

[Wagsy]

Morning Wags! :seeya:


Michael Jackson was a strange one. I've seen all the psych evaluations and certainly his life was out of the mainstream of normal to any extent. But I see all of life as a classroom.

He is an example of fame and fortune for the most part. It makes me wonder why anyone would want it, but most people do want it. On the other side of the coin, the best things in life are really free! To be able to walk across the street, go into a sandwich shop, buy a bag of potato chips, or walk along the beach searching for beautiful shells, or even very simple things like, sitting in central park watching your dog romp around your feet are freedoms he never knew. He would have had to buy a park, and he did buy a park so he could enjoy a park!!!

Am I sad about this? I don't know. Our price for his fame was minimal I suppose, compared to his price. If Michael Jackson is the epitome of fame, I don't want it. May he RIP and have fun where ever he is. :rose:

My two cents.

Good Morning to you, Nawny! :seeya:

You have a wonderful perspective on MJ. I was not so gracious in my thoughts or feelings. You are so right about the best things in life are truly free. I guess most of us would just like to have the big amounts of money to be able to pay the bills and not worry in life about what is coming down the pike for us to pay for next. I wouldn't care to have the fame and recognition either. I can be a recluse without having to!! :tongue: My final thought is that he be able to RIP now wherever he is too. Thanks for giving me new insight.

[Wagsy]

LMAO Maddie was the nice one, and she was the first person I ever allowed to babysit for my little man, that's how much I trusted her. :tongue:

Hmmm My life as a book. Ramona Quimby meets Trixie Beldon? :hat:

Ah Loretta, yer makin' me laugh already this morning about to tears! We have some great witty people on this thread. How yous ever come up with these treasures are a mystery to me! :)

[Wagsy]

hehehe The truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers.

Natisha Lance told Mike Galanos on Prime News that the prosecution hopes to release more discovery at the end of the month, mostly photographs. She also spoke with the OCSO who is still working with the prosecution and asked if this is still an open case to determine cause of death, but got no definitive answer.

I'll have to remember that one, shoulders back, show your rack! Cracks me up.
I'm sure Casey's gone up a few bra sizes by now with all the pork rinds she's been snacking on. Bet she can't wait to be in front of the cameras again!

Well, my July/Cancer friend, today's my 55th b'day. Hope I get home in time to watch NG send me b'day wishes! Not! Anyway, 55 isn't so bad. Same as 54minus my gall bladder. Ha, Ha!

Wonder what Cindy's thinking today. Bet she's regretting her "smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" statement.
DrewB

Loretta - think I've figured out how you quote two and reply in one! Just wondering if there are ANY definitive answers to this whole case!

And to DrewB - I wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday yesterday but couldn't get online and get it done. So, Happy Belated Birthday!

http://msp220.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/ila64/happy-birthday.jpg

This is the best I could do for now on figuring out how to put in a picture! Hopefully someone who is more computer saavy than I will help me figure it out!!

[SaraSidle]

And I assume that Greta did politics?

I gave up on Greta a long time ago Marian. sara

[Wagsy]

Yesterday here, and this is graphic you guys, a scumbag from Gladwin County which is only up the road from my house, a 2 year old girl was brought into the ER by her loser mother and her scum boyfriend. The child was bleeding heavily from her vaginal area and had been raped and sodomized severely, enough where she underwent 911 surgery to repair her rectum and torn vagina and I just went crazy with anger when I heard this on the am news!! The dumb broad, instead of calling the cops, she goes to the ER and brings the rapist with her??? He was taken into custody after the child told a policewoman that "Trent had hurt me in my bum and my bug" This from a TWO YEAR OLD!!!!! He is originally from OK and momma met him on the net and he comes out here and moved right in, this stupid loser woman does not know this POS has a record there for molestation and rape and instead of checking him out, she invites him to come live with her and the child!!


This is a sick world we live in. It sometimes seems the bad outweighs the good.

[Wagsy]

I'm opting to nail his ba..s to a stump and light it up. Not sure what to do with the mother :flamemad::cuss:

I'll bring the hammer and nail(s) and whatever's needed whenever you decide what to do with the mother!! :D Oh, also gasoline and a lighter!

[Marian Paroo]

I gave up on Greta a long time ago Marian. sara

Unfortunately, she's all I got.

CNN International doesn't pick up Nancy Graceless.

This place and some others are my only sources for US crime news.

[beemer]

I'll bring the hammer and nail(s) and whatever's needed whenever you decide what to do with the mother!! :D Oh, also gasoline and a lighter!

Then we are good to go Wagsy :beer: Still thinking on the mother. Not sure if i should bit.. slap her or test her IQ? Maybe both :shrug: Or worse :shrug:

[beemer]

Thank you, Beemer! You guys are so nice! I really do consider many of you my friends even though we've never met. Such a great group. :)
DrewB

Yep the Ya Ya Sisterhood. Deacon is an honorary member :beer:

[deacon]

Yep the Ya Ya Sisterhood. Deacon is an honorary member :beer:

And it is an honor.:cool:

[beemer]

And it is an honor.:cool:

Back at ya :beer:

[BeastofBears]

And I assume that Greta did politics?

Yep! Senator Kyl being threatened by the Obama Administration about the Porkulus. How'd you guess?

[lorettalockhorn]

One sick f*ck just like Couey, buries Naveah alive, am I surprised or shocked? No, because I am willing to bet that he emulated Couey, with the exception of the cement, that is his own sick twist, but these pukes either network with each other or hold their "heros" in high regard and Couey being one of the worst there ever was, this POS wants to be like him and I think that is either Kennedy or Smith, or both. What I want to hear from LE is that they have a DNA match either to semen or the beer can that was found in the "grave", but this was just a poor child from a poor town, she does not rate the lighting speed of test results or tox screens as "WACKO JACKO" so us mere mortals have to wait to find out which sick POS did this to that little angel and my money is on them because they both knew that low life Mommy was not a good one and let the child go outside to a park that was not very close to the complex they lived in and it was an easy snatch because the child trusted Kennedy and I think he lured her to the van with the promise of a treat and he probably told her that Mommy said it was OK to go with him and since this child was taught to obey him, she went to her death. It was reported that neighbors in the hood have not seen Mommy lately and my take is, who gives a sheep's ass what happens to her? She is probably shacking up with some other low life, could even be a SO, she seems to dig them, and smoking crack.

Yesterday here, and this is graphic you guys, a scumbag from Gladwin County which is only up the road from my house, a 2 year old girl was brought into the ER by her loser mother and her scum boyfriend. The child was bleeding heavily from her vaginal area and had been raped and sodomized severely, enough where she underwent 911 surgery to repair her rectum and torn vagina and I just went crazy with anger when I heard this on the am news!! The dumb broad, instead of calling the cops, she goes to the ER and brings the rapist with her??? He was taken into custody after the child told a policewoman that "Trent had hurt me in my bum and my bug" This from a TWO YEAR OLD!!!!! He is originally from OK and momma met him on the net and he comes out here and moved right in, this stupid loser woman does not know this POS has a record there for molestation and rape and instead of checking him out, she invites him to come live with her and the child!!

What a loser, I hate this broad with all I have!!!!! He is being held on a 2 million dollar bond which he won't raise and all I want is for him to get sodomized by 30 Bubba's and have his ass and intestines ripped right out of him, then I would feel justice has been served. The one consolation here, is they will put this puke away, possibly for life, unlike VT where he would get 4 months to a year if not probation!! Please all of you, keep this little angel in your prayers and hope that she can recover and maybe being so young, that she won't have to have nightmares for the rest of her life and can get past it. But these women out here, so hard up for a man, they drag any loser home they can find and this dumb low life, just bought his life story as he told it and let him just move right in on her child!! I would have called the cops the minute I saw her injuries and this loser comes to the ER with him, what the f*ck did she expect?

On our local forum, people hate her guts and one loser from OK claims he knows this puke and says she does not believe that he did this because he never hurt her girls????? If you want to read about this yourselves it is Midland Daily News.com. No matter how many of these scumbags are caught, 25 more come out of the woodwork the next day and it seems to me an epidemic and in VT because they know they get little time, they don't care how much they hurt kids, with the exception of the raper and murderer of Brooke Bennet, Michael Jacques who is facing the DP, most of these POS's get walks or a slap on the wrist and people in VT are fed up with the system and just last week, they finally decided that they need to get "tougher" with SO's???? Makes me want to be a one woman vigilante, but I would be the one getting the jail time if I blew one of these pukes away.

Fcockroaches!

It sounds from your report that the child didn't suffer serious internal/intestinal injuries, and I pray not. I share your hopes that she will survive the emotional trauma.

[lorettalockhorn]

I depend on all yous to keep me up to date with NG. Don't have a TV - choose not to at this point in life but do watch clips on YouTube. I agree, Deacon, he's just a man and now in death it seems he could have done nothing wrong. HA! Just as human as the rest of us. And I too, feel for the children. It's one thing to have children because we love them and another to have them just for the sake of being able to produce them.

Wags, link to NG transcript site:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

Congrats on not being a boobtuber!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm opting to nail his ba..s to a stump and light it up. Not sure what to do with the mother :flamemad::cuss:

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wish I could find an immolation smiley!

[Marian Paroo]

Yep! Senator Kyl being threatened by the Obama Administration about the Porkulus. How'd you guess?

Is her prescription drug abuser buddy still on every day?

Does she still have the hots for Mrs. Palin?

[Wagsy]

I'll bring the hammer and nail(s) and whatever's needed whenever you decide what to do with the mother!! :D Oh, also gasoline and a lighter!

My bad :punch: Just re-read the TOS for the forum and I'm lucky I'm not kicked off. :no: I'll be more careful in the future. Sorry everyone!!! :(

[Wagsy]

Wags, link to NG transcript site:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

Congrats on not being a boobtuber!


Thank you! :read: I'll bookmark it and be able to get the skinny on it every day even without the boobtube! You're a treasure! :rose:

[BeastofBears]

My bad :punch: Just re-read the TOS for the forum and I'm lucky I'm not kicked off. :no: I'll be more careful in the future. Sorry everyone!!! :(

No need to apologize to me! imo, immolation of any kind or region is too good for child molesters.

[Wagsy]

Thanks BoB. I'll try to not let my vivid imagination carry over into my typing and just agree with the poster (in this case, Beemer).

[beemer]

Thanks BoB. I'll try to not let my vivid imagination carry over into my typing and just agree with the poster (in this case, Beemer).
Oh yeah blame the beemer :D It's pretty chillaxed in here Wagsy-or i would be long gone. Not to say deepy might not decide enough. If i disappear you folks will know why. I'll just blame Zanny the trickster :biggrin:

[beemer]

I still wanna see your shoe collection Bob. Dont make me use my free round trip ticket :D First wedding a week from Sat. still no shoes :(

[beemer]

Sorry-wrong thread :beer:

[Wagsy]

Oh yeah blame the beemer :D It's pretty chillaxed in here Wagsy-or i would be long gone. Not to say deepy might not decide enough. If i disappear you folks will know why. I'll just blame Zanny the trickster :biggrin:

Oh dear! :( After hitting submit post I just KNEW I should have gone back and edited that last part out! If the mods don't throw me off, I'll have yous so honked off at me that you'll do it yourselves!!! :o :eek:

[Gatordog]

AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wish I could find an immolation smiley!

Had to look up the word immolation! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent041.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[beemer]

Oh dear! :( After hitting submit post I just KNEW I should have gone back and edited that last part out! If the mods don't throw me off, I'll have yous so honked off at me that you'll do it yourselves!!! :o :eek:

Never :beer: It's all good. We is a happy bunch here ;)

[Wagsy]

Whew! Thanks Beemer! ;-}

[Wagsy]

Had to look up the word immolation! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent041.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I looked up the word too but your icons are adorable! :hat:

[Wagsy]

Associated Press Release 1 day ago

Death of Fla. girl Caylee Anthony still captivates

By MIKE SCHNEIDER – 1 day ago

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — It's easy to forget 2-year-old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony was slain after all the plot twists and turns in her story.

There are the grandparents, George and Cindy. The phantom baby sitter. The bounty hunter. The meter reader.

At the center of it all is Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, the petite 23-year-old charged in her daughter's death. It's been one year since the toddler was reported missing, and while her remains were found six months ago, authorities still don't know exactly how she died.

That's one of the many unknowns that has kept the public's interest over the last year. Viewers tune in to the cable television news show hosted by Nancy Grace, who dubbed Casey the "Tot Mom," to find out about every development. People chat on parenting Web sites about her chances of a fair trial and debate over her innocence or guilt has filled talk radio.

"It certainly has the makings of a made-for-TV movie or a soap opera," said Bob Longo, news director of WESH, which like other Orlando television news stations has relentlessly covered the case. "I think people have opinions on the characters in the saga. They identify with them or against them."

The story started as a mystery, centered on finding out what happened to Caylee. But soon, Casey Anthony became the chief suspect and the image of a sympathetic mother morphed into that of a party-loving club-hopper. The stories she told detectives and her parents about where she worked and where she had dropped off Caylee with a baby sitter were lies, police said.

It turned out Caylee had been missing more than a month before Casey Anthony told her family. After her arrest, she told police she had been conducting her own investigation into her daughter's whereabouts.

George and Cindy Anthony, the grandparents, were used to seeing the little girl almost every day. But beginning about mid-June 2008, Casey and Caylee just weren't around.

When the grandparents inquired, Casey said she was traveling with Caylee around central Florida. Cindy began to worry, though, and called her daughter frequently, demanding to know Caylee's whereabouts. There were always excuses: Caylee was with the baby sitter or at the beach with friends.

In mid-July, George and Cindy picked up their daughter's car from a towing lot and noticed a stench from the trunk. Cindy Anthony confronted her daughter, who initially said Caylee was with the phantom baby sitter. Then, Casey finally admitted the little girl had been missing for a month.

"There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony said in a 911 call. "I found my daughter's car today and it smelled like there's been a dead body in the damn car."

Casey Anthony was arrested the next day on charges of child neglect and providing false information to authorities. She continued to tell law enforcement that Caylee had been left with a baby sitter, whom she identified as Zenaida Gonzalez.

That's when the story switched from a private drama of domestic tensions between parents and a daughter to a very public tale. Reporters camped outside the Anthony home for weeks and protesters with "Baby Killer" signs picketed their street.

Casey Anthony maintained her innocence throughout.

"I'm not in control of this because I don't know what the hell is going on," she tearfully told her parents during a jailhouse visit last summer. "My entire life has been taken from me. Everything has been taken from me."

Leonard Padilla, a cowboy-hat-wearing, California-based bounty hunter became part of the narrative by posting her bond last year. He thought having her out of jail would aid in finding Caylee, but he turned on her when she proved uncooperative. He made frequent appearances on television talk shows in the following months, offering unflattering commentary.

Meanwhile, hundreds of volunteers scoured woods in south Orlando in search of clues to Caylee's disappearance.

In mid-October, a grand jury indicted Anthony on first-degree murder charges, even though Caylee's remains hadn't been found. She has been in jail ever since.

Prosecutors didn't have the toddler's remains until meter reader Roy Kronk became involved. In August, Kronk thought he had seen a bag in the woods near a road where he had stopped to take a break. He called authorities three times over the next three days, but when they finally came, they found nothing.

It wasn't until December, when Kronk returned to the woods, that he discovered a bag with Caylee's remains inside. Detectives said residue of a heart-shaped sticker was found on duct tape over the mouth of her skull.

Along the way, there have been other subplots. A despondent George Anthony attempted suicide in a Daytona Beach motel room in January and then was committed to a hospital for several days.

A spokesman for the Anthony family was dismissed after the family accused him of taking payments for booking their television appearances. Another spokesman who never showed his face to reporters turned out to be a fictitious creation of the public relations firm used by Casey Anthony's attorney.

As much as Casey Anthony's story has transfixed viewers, Lezlie Laws, a professor of nonfiction writing at Rollins College in suburban Orlando, worries that the discourse about the case hasn't been constructive.

"What is it about us as a society that would cultivate a human being that would be capable of doing that? What are we doing wrong? Where do we need to put our time, attention, money and social services?" she said.

"I don't see that being raised," Laws said. "Instead, it's just a sensational, spilled guts on the concrete, kind of 'Look at this, isn't this gross?' story."

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gSCB_oxlbv95mfQuS7sW3xgOZCVQD99EUTO80

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Nothing new - just a day late and a dollar short plus someone else's views on the anniversary date.

[DrewBerry]

DrewB There was a birthday girl on NG tonight but I did not get her name. There was a picture however. She loves to gamble on the Riverboat and drink Margueritas. I am not sure if this is you or not. Hope you had a great day. sara :beer:

NG did MJ again instead of Caylee even though this is the anniversary.

Thanks, Sara. I caught that on NG, too. No, Riverboat Lady wasn't me! I think she had a few years on me. Anyway, hope she had a grand b'day.

I was disappointed that NG didn't mention Caylee, too. Still waiting for her 2 part show about Cindy. Whatever happened to that? NG needs to read our posts so she can get updated!
:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Loretta - think I've figured out how you quote two and reply in one! Just wondering if there are ANY definitive answers to this whole case!

And to DrewB - I wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday yesterday but couldn't get online and get it done. So, Happy Belated Birthday!

http://msp220.photobucket.com/albums/dd228/ila64/happy-birthday.jpg

This is the best I could do for now on figuring out how to put in a picture! Hopefully someone who is more computer saavy than I will help me figure it out!!

Many thanks, Wagsy! Good to see ya here!:)
DrewB

[Wagsy]

Thanks, Sara. I caught that on NG, too. No, Riverboat Lady wasn't me! I think she had a few years on me. Anyway, hope she had a grand b'day.

I was disappointed that NG didn't mention Caylee, too. Still waiting for her 2 part show about Cindy. Whatever happened to that? NG needs to read our posts so she can get updated!
:seeya:
DrewB


To Everyone:

When/if NG runs her 2 part show on Cindy, would you please be so kind as to post it? Hope she goes ahead with it soon. TIA

[Mojo]

Thanks, Sara. I caught that on NG, too. No, Riverboat Lady wasn't me! I think she had a few years on me. Anyway, hope she had a grand b'day.

I was disappointed that NG didn't mention Caylee, too. Still waiting for her 2 part show about Cindy. Whatever happened to that? NG needs to read our posts so she can get updated!
:seeya:
DrewB

Here's the link to her Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

Read some of the comments on there and you will see were are not alone. Everyone is ticked off at the constant MJ coverage. I'm thinking of posting my 2 cents on there.

[lorettalockhorn]

Had to look up the word immolation! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent041.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Love it!

(Not to be confused with self-immolation)

http://i26.tinypic.com/e7m8hk.jpg

[JLette]

Here's the link to her Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

Read some of the comments on there and you will see were are not alone. Everyone is ticked off at the constant MJ coverage. I'm thinking of posting my 2 cents on there.

well for crying out loud, you turn the channel to HLN right now and it just doesn't matter what time it is or what show is on, all you see is Michael effin Jackson!!! do they not realize that all of those shows are playing the same crap? lol :punch: they don't ALL have to tell the same story hour after bloody hour do they?

[lighthousedazy]

Here's the link to her Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

Read some of the comments on there and you will see were are not alone. Everyone is ticked off at the constant MJ coverage. I'm thinking of posting my 2 cents on there.
There is an update note about the Haleigh case, but it seems as though they are saying "case closed" :confused:

Quote: (from the NG facebook page)
"A lot of you have asked for an update on Florida tot Haleigh Cummings. Sadly, Haleigh is still missing and there have been no new leads or developments. However, the DCF investigation into her father Ronald Cummings is now closed with no factual finding of abuse against him..."

[JLette]

i was just thinking, the whole Timer 55 thing.....is it possible that Casey could have researched how long it would take for a body to decompose in that climate and was waiting until it would be a guarantee that Caylee was just bones so that no one would know was happened?

[Wagsy]

i was just thinking, the whole Timer 55 thing.....is it possible that Casey could have researched how long it would take for a body to decompose in that climate and was waiting until it would be a guarantee that Caylee was just bones so that no one would know was happened?
Would that have shown up on the confiscated computer? Is that evidence they haven't released in doc dumps? Could she have researched it on someone else's computer? This is a good point about the Timer 55 thing. Brings up more questions.

[JLette]

Would that have shown up on the confiscated computer? Is that evidence they haven't released in doc dumps? Could she have researched it on someone else's computer? This is a good point about the Timer 55 thing. Brings up more questions.

if its there it hasn't been released yet, but it would go along with the other computer stuff that they are using to show premeditation yea? since they don't have any COD and the only thing they have to go on in that regard is computer research about neckbreaking and chloroform, there HAS to be something else that would make this first degree murder and make them want the DP.

[Marian Paroo]

Would that have shown up on the confiscated computer? Is that evidence they haven't released in doc dumps? Could she have researched it on someone else's computer? This is a good point about the Timer 55 thing. Brings up more questions.

Internet Cafes. Publc libraries. Bus stations.

Plenty of anonymous computers to search on.