Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Nawny]

As they say--Out of the mouths of babes. It is so true. They see things simplistically, and probably most of the ills of the world COULD be solved by following how they see things, and their ideas of how to do it. We just get more complicated as we age, put too many variables in the equation. God forbid if we just came up with the simple and logical ways to take care of things.

I'm not exactly looking forward to becoming a grandma--but sure hope when the time comes, I am as lucky as Nawny to be close enough to have them over often--heck, maybe even babysit!!! At least that would mean my kids had doggone JOBS!!!! lol


LMAO!!! My mother used to say, "Don't cry when your children leave. They always come back and bring more"

[Nawny]

I wonder if Nancy will bring a tazer!
This should be interesting. Watch Larry King? no. Watch Nancy Grace? oh yeah!

I would venture a guess that CA would rather see NG swing off a live wire in the rain, than interview her.

[Nawny]

Ain't it the truth?!?!! My Little Love wants kid(s) and thinks he's ready as soon as he finds a suitable mother for the child, but he's a fgypsy; in grad school and travels back and forth across the country as a whitewater raft guide and ski guide. :rolleyes::confused: I'm thinking he should settle down, go to work, start a retirement fund, and get married. :hat:

Aww that is so great! His life sounds fantastic! I know these young people of today make great parents after they've seen a bit of the world. We're not in their league. We had kids before we saw the next town. (Speaking for myself)
I had wanted my sons to settle down, get married and do the retirement fund too. They both brought me some seriously frightening females first round. I stopped wishing for them to get married. LOL! I was so afraid I'd be a monster in law!

[Nawny]

Now that we have heard just about every darn bombshell that could possibly be, I wish, just once ~

That every single thing that really should be addressed to Cynthia Anthony ~ be addressed! Enough of this crap! Time for the real questions, and will NG do it? Nah. Certain 'media' types are still babying the grandparents because of their loss, and it won't look right. :rolleyes: The only one who addressed anything close was Morgan. Meanwhile, they have done irrepairable damage by not being truthful (the dog/cindy brush), lying about the stealing, etc, etc...LE has gone around in circles at times because of these three.

Time to send NG some e mails again to offer and/or suggest to ask the hard questions, and see what the Grinch will say once she is cornered.

Hey Cindy, if you had the nanny's addresss and number, why didn't you call her?
Hey Cindy, what do you make of Casey's newest tattoo, and why would Casey get that one after Caylee disappeared?
Hey Cindy, who had the fight with her, you or Georgie Porgie?
Hey Cindy...wanna buy a t shirt?...http://i39.tinypic.com/ayul8y.jpg



Bravo OS! :beer:

[beemer]

Excellent OS (clapping) Nawny i will have a caesar salad with a squirt of lemon if you are so inclined :beer:

[Nawny]

Excellent OS (clapping) Nawny i will have a caesar salad with a squirt of lemon if you are so inclined :beer:

Ah I love cesar salad! :) Yes lemon for the lady. :)

Hope you're feeling rested and glad to be home!:beer:

[old_soul]

Excellent OS (clapping) Nawny i will have a caesar salad with a squirt of lemon if you are so inclined :beer:

LMAOROTFPMP!!! http://i42.tinypic.com/r2ulia.jpg

Then... I found this someone hiding at the A & P..http://i41.tinypic.com/157srl.jpg which one of you is this? I'll be darned, all you fricken lettuce heads look alike!


Oh, This was my crowning glory at work yesterday! http://i44.tinypic.com/2r2n88j.jpg Don't be jealous, biotchs! :tongue:

Yes, a squirt of lemon too, please!

[beemer]

Ah I love cesar salad! :) Yes lemon for the lady. :)

Hope you're feeling rested and glad to be home!:beer:

Thanks Nawny-yep but cant sleep-may still be on pacific time lol

[beemer]

Waaaay too funny OS-you need to give some of us a tutorial on all the cool stuff you do :seeya:

[beemer]

Jaysuz we is on the wrong thread again-lettuce pray :eek:

[old_soul]

Jaysuz we is on the wrong thread again-lettuce pray :eek:

Oh Lordy beem..http://i42.tinypic.com/f27xmp.jpg hope I will be forgiven... http://i44.tinypic.com/2pyditi.jpg

:eek:

[beemer]

Oh Lordy beem..http://i42.tinypic.com/f27xmp.jpg hope I will be forgiven... http://i44.tinypic.com/2pyditi.jpg

:eek:

For sure-I'll claim KRAFT disease :D

[Nawny]

for sure-i'll claim kraft disease :d

lol!

[sharlock]

Hio guys! I miss you guys but I still peek in whenever I can. Thought this might interest you all I saw it in a topix thread.
Here is an excellent article on a study of factors that point to a 911 callers guilt or innocence. I am going to post the first time Casey spoke to anyone outside of her family about what had happened to Caylee (the third 911 call) and I tell you when you look at it side by side with this report it is eery!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/i... (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386/?tag=content;col1)
Casey: Hello.
Dispatch: Hello.
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: Hi. What can you… can you tell me what’s going on a little bit?
Casey: I’m sorry?
Dispatch: Can you tell me a little bit what’s going on?
Casey: My daughter’s been missing for the last 31 days.
Dispatch: And you know who has her?
Casey: I know who has her. I’ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today. Now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment. About a minute.
Dispatch: Okay, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?
Casey: Um. Yes, my mom did.
Dispatch: Okay. So is the vehicle stolen too?
Casey: No. This is my vehicle.
Dispatch: What vehicle was stolen?
Casey: Um, it’s a 98 Pontiac Sunfire.
Dispatch: Okay, I have deputies on the way to you right now for that. So now your 3 year old daughter is missing? Caylee Anthony?
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: White female?
Casey: Yes. White female.
Dispatch: Three years old? 8-9-2005 is her date of birth?
Casey: Yes.
Dispatch: And you last saw her a month ago?
Casey: Thirty-one days… been 31 days.
Dispatch: Who has her? Do you have a name?
Casey: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales.
Dispatch: Who is that? Babysitter?
Casey: She’s been my nanny for about a year and a half. Almost two years.
Dispatch: Why… why are you calling now? Why didn’t you call 31 days ago?
Casey: I’ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid.
Dispatch: Can you… can you give me the name of the nanny again? Like spell it out for me?
Casey: Zenaida. Z-E-N-A-I-D-A.
Dispatch: Last name?
Casey: Fernandez.
Dispatch: Fernandez?
Casey: Hyphen Gonzales. I think the officers are here.
Dispatch: The officers are there?
Casey: Yes.
Take care all!

[Gatordog]

Jaysuz we is on the wrong thread again-lettuce pray :eek:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Drove by the Ants House today. No activity, no Assonthething either.

Only one small red,white and blue silk flower bunch at the Surburban site, nothing else. No sunflowers but at least there are no more dirt patches. Kudzu has grown on everything.

[JLette]

Drove by the Ants House today. No activity, no Assonthething either.

Only one small red,white and blue silk flower bunch at the Surburban site, nothing else. No sunflowers but at least there are no more dirt patches. Kudzu has grown on everything.


wonder if they are out "searching" for missing people on their boat for the 4th weekend. :rolleyes:

[beemer]

wonder if they are out "searching" for missing people on their boat for the 4th weekend. :rolleyes:

Thats exactly what i was thinking :beer: Except for the looking part as well :D

[lorettalockhorn]

Now that we have heard just about every darn bombshell that could possibly be, I wish, just once ~

That every single thing that really should be addressed to Cynthia Anthony ~ be addressed! Enough of this crap! Time for the real questions, and will NG do it? Nah. Certain 'media' types are still babying the grandparents because of their loss, and it won't look right. :rolleyes: The only one who addressed anything close was Morgan. Meanwhile, they have done irrepairable damage by not being truthful (the dog/cindy brush), lying about the stealing, etc, etc...LE has gone around in circles at times because of these three.

Time to send NG some e mails again to offer and/or suggest to ask the hard questions, and see what the Grinch will say once she is cornered.

Hey Cindy, if you had the nanny's addresss and number, why didn't you call her?
Hey Cindy, what do you make of Casey's newest tattoo, and why would Casey get that one after Caylee disappeared?
Hey Cindy, who had the fight with her, you or Georgie Porgie?
Hey Cindy...wanna buy a t shirt?...http://i39.tinypic.com/ayul8y.jpg

hmmm Wonder if the Grinch is now wishing she had thought of a covercharge for Caylee's memorial.

[lorettalockhorn]

Aww that is so great! His life sounds fantastic! I know these young people of today make great parents after they've seen a bit of the world. We're not in their league. We had kids before we saw the next town. (Speaking for myself)
I had wanted my sons to settle down, get married and do the retirement fund too. They both brought me some seriously frightening females first round. I stopped wishing for them to get married. LOL! I was so afraid I'd be a monster in law!

MyLL brings around some pretty neat girls and they all seem to dote on him and (literally) look up to him. So cute! Don't get me wrong, I'm in no hurry for a wedding OR weebles, I just hope when it does happen, it happens in that order!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Jaysuz we is on the wrong thread again-lettuce pray :eek:

HAHAHA If you get to OT, someone may ask you to leaf. :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hio guys! I miss you guys but I still peek in whenever I can. Thought this might interest you all I saw it in a topix thread.
Here is an excellent article on a study of factors that point to a 911 callers guilt or innocence. I am going to post the first time Casey spoke to anyone outside of her family about what had happened to Caylee (the third 911 call) and I tell you when you look at it side by side with this report it is eery!
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/i... (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_6_77/ai_n27504386/?tag=content;col1)

[snipped]

Take care all!

:seeya: Thanks for the link Sharlock; not sure I processed all of that, but Casey def had a HUH? moment. And it's hard for me to ever forget that Cindy reported the car stolen before mentioning that Caylee was missing or that she hadn't seen her in a month. Oh, and how fractious she was about the smell of a dead body in the damned car.

I mean rotten pizza. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

wonder if they are out "searching" for missing people on their boat for the 4th weekend. :rolleyes:

Or missing bass. http://i39.tinypic.com/6ymyb9.jpg

[SaraSidle]

lol! The unit director who was doing that disappeared for 3 days and said he woke up by the Dead Sea, no idea how he got there! Could have been an alibi for heaven know's what, but that is some strong stuff. Tastes so nice, but huge kick! The Israeli team just pointed at us and laughed. They could have warned us, lol!

what does it taste like? I hope he had fun that 3 days.

I am waiting for Casey's financial trial to start. Very anxious for her real trial to begin!!!!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

I would venture a guess that CA would rather see NG swing off a live wire in the rain, than interview her.

I so totally agree Nawny. I am still kind of confused why it is happening?:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Or missing bass. http://i39.tinypic.com/6ymyb9.jpg

I just love those fish Loretta. so cute

[JLette]

I so totally agree Nawny. I am still kind of confused why it is happening?:shrug:

maybe cindy and george can't get anymore spots on tv right now since MJ died. and you KNOW nancy has been chomping at the bit since last year for this...maybe their need for attention has once again gone before the real NEED to shut the hell up:rolleyes:

[Nawny]

:seeya: Thanks for the link Sharlock; not sure I processed all of that, but Casey def had a HUH? moment. And it's hard for me to ever forget that Cindy reported the car stolen before mentioning that Caylee was missing or that she hadn't seen her in a month. Oh, and how fractious she was about the smell of a dead body in the damned car.

I mean rotten pizza. :rolleyes:

Wow Shar! That was very good reading. Thanks! After reading that stuff, it's clear to me that Ms Liar did the deed.

Yeah Pizza! "In the damn car!" or was that damned Pizza?

[Marian Paroo]

what does it taste like? I hope he had fun that 3 days.

I am waiting for Casey's financial trial to start. Very anxious for her real trial to begin!!!!!!!!!!!

Licorice.

It's 50%.

I've had vodka that had more alcohol.:shrug:

Nothing like it on a hot summer night with a handful of pistachio nuts.

[SaraSidle]

maybe cindy and george can't get anymore spots on tv right now since MJ died. and you KNOW nancy has been chomping at the bit since last year for this...maybe their need for attention has once again gone before the real NEED to shut the hell up:rolleyes:

You are right JLette. Must be a withdrawal thing. MJ is pretty hard to compete with these days.............IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

Licorice.

It's 50%.

I've had vodka that had more alcohol.:shrug:

Nothing like it on a hot summer night with a handful of pistachio nuts.

I love licorice. Have you had vodka from Poland Marian? sara

Nancy Grace will need some if she interviews Cindy.

[Marian Paroo]

I love licorice. Have you had vodka from Poland Marian? sara

Nancy Grace will need some if she interviews Cindy.

Never had Polish vokda. Not a big vodka fan, 'cept in Bloody Marys and Cosmos.

At least NG is sticking to crime. Just heard that Greta van Sustern's sweetie pie Palin is stepping down or announcing that she is not running for for reelection to kick start her presidential campaign for 2012:biggrin:

Looks like so much for crime coverage on Fox, and CNN International, as I said before, doesn't pick up NG. :(

[DrewBerry]

Now that we have heard just about every darn bombshell that could possibly be, I wish, just once ~

That every single thing that really should be addressed to Cynthia Anthony ~ be addressed! Enough of this crap! Time for the real questions, and will NG do it? Nah. Certain 'media' types are still babying the grandparents because of their loss, and it won't look right. :rolleyes: The only one who addressed anything close was Morgan. Meanwhile, they have done irrepairable damage by not being truthful (the dog/cindy brush), lying about the stealing, etc, etc...LE has gone around in circles at times because of these three.

Time to send NG some e mails again to offer and/or suggest to ask the hard questions, and see what the Grinch will say once she is cornered.

Hey Cindy, if you had the nanny's addresss and number, why didn't you call her?
Hey Cindy, what do you make of Casey's newest tattoo, and why would Casey get that one after Caylee disappeared?
Hey Cindy, who had the fight with her, you or Georgie Porgie?
Hey Cindy...wanna buy a t shirt?...http://i39.tinypic.com/ayul8y.jpg

Hi OS! Love your post! Excellent questions. The T-shirt is perfect. You always crack me up! Have a great weekend! :beer:
DrewB

[SaraSidle]

Never had Polish vokda. Not a big vodka fan, 'cept in Bloody Marys and Cosmos.

At least NG is sticking to crime. Just heard that Greta van Sustern's sweetie pie Palin is stepping down or announcing that she is not running for for reelection to kick start her presidential campaign for 2012:biggrin:

Looks like so much for crime coverage on Fox, and CNN International, as I said before, doesn't pick up NG. :(

That is too bad for you. NG can be overbearing but I am always entertained and I know she lives for justice. I also think she scared off Cindy or mad her so mad she would never come back. I love Bloody Marys also. A co-worker who lived in Poland who used to swear by it. He also always wanted to trade a fifth of Polish vodka (he traveled home once a year) for a fifth of Mexican tequilla( I used to travel there once a year). I was afraid I would not like it. I find it very interesting Palin is stepping down and I would like to know the real reason.

[DrewBerry]

:seeya: Thanks for the link Sharlock; not sure I processed all of that, but Casey def had a HUH? moment. And it's hard for me to ever forget that Cindy reported the car stolen before mentioning that Caylee was missing or that she hadn't seen her in a month. Oh, and how fractious she was about the smell of a dead body in the damned car.

I mean rotten pizza. :rolleyes:



Hi Loretta. :seeya:Yeah, me too. I've done over and over that crazy call. The Grinch certainly had her priorities straight, huh? First report the stolen car and then, oh by the way, my granddaughter's been missing for 31 days. I still can't get over the Liar making that "31 days" statement to 911. She didn't say, a month or over a month. She obviously had counted EVERY SINGLE day that child had been dead! I think that tells volumes. A true sociopath. No tears, no panic, no nothin'. :flamemad:
DrewB

[BeastofBears]

Hi Loretta. :seeya:Yeah, me too. I've done over and over that crazy call. The Grinch certainly had her priorities straight, huh? First report the stolen car and then, oh by the way, my granddaughter's been missing for 31 days. I still can't get over the Liar making that "31 days" statement to 911. She didn't say, a month or over a month. She obviously had counted EVERY SINGLE day that child had been dead! I think that tells volumes. A true sociopath. No tears, no panic, no nothin'. :flamemad:
DrewB

I still think CA thought Casey was holding out on her about Caylee, so she was using 911 to threaten her with grand theft auto so she would hand Caylee over. But she didn't realize until she overheard Casey tell Lee Casey was missing that she had no Caylee to hand over...

imo, no way CA was ever going to press charges on the car thing, she just wanted to "tough love" Casey to get Caylee. Then she panicked. Then she got over her panic...imo...

But I may be wrong. Applying logic to this family could be quite futile.

[Nawny]

maybe cindy and george can't get anymore spots on tv right now since MJ died. and you KNOW nancy has been chomping at the bit since last year for this...maybe their need for attention has once again gone before the real NEED to shut the hell up:rolleyes:

Very observant of you J! :beer:

[Nawny]

Hi Loretta. :seeya:Yeah, me too. I've done over and over that crazy call. The Grinch certainly had her priorities straight, huh? First report the stolen car and then, oh by the way, my granddaughter's been missing for 31 days. I still can't get over the Liar making that "31 days" statement to 911. She didn't say, a month or over a month. She obviously had counted EVERY SINGLE day that child had been dead! I think that tells volumes. A true sociopath. No tears, no panic, no nothing'. :flamemad:
DrewB


Hey DrewB! Damn scary that liar huh? Either she was anesthetized with street drugs or she is missing a few brain cells. That conversation with the 911 operator was like something out of a horror flick. She was completely devoid of any emotion and definitely saying more than she needed to say. She was over explaining. I agree with BoB re Cindy's motives and panic and 180 turn.

[Gatordog]

What a huge disappointment - NG dosn't have the Cindy Anthony special. It had been advertised for two weeks. More on Michael Jackson. Nothing new there - just rehashing the same garbage. Enough already on MJ. :cuss:

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I still think CA thought Casey was holding out on her about Caylee, so she was using 911 to threaten her with grand theft auto so she would hand Caylee over. But she didn't realize until she overheard Casey tell Lee Casey was missing that she had no Caylee to hand over...

imo, no way CA was ever going to press charges on the car thing, she just wanted to "tough love" Casey to get Caylee. Then she panicked. Then she got over her panic...imo...

But I may be wrong. Applying logic to this family could be quite futile.

Well, like Cindy's attempt to get tough with Morgan & Mitkin, she fell short with Casey. Everything that Cindy has done since she found out that Casey ripped off Al has been too little, too late.

(And she's probably bashing a cross somewhere over the fact that not only did NG not feature her tonight, Nancy Schmancy didn't even show up.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Loretta. :seeya:Yeah, me too. I've done over and over that crazy call. The Grinch certainly had her priorities straight, huh? First report the stolen car and then, oh by the way, my granddaughter's been missing for 31 days. I still can't get over the Liar making that "31 days" statement to 911. She didn't say, a month or over a month. She obviously had counted EVERY SINGLE day that child had been dead! I think that tells volumes. A true sociopath. No tears, no panic, no nothin'. :flamemad:
DrewB

That "31 days" thing has always bothered me, because like you say, it could have been a month or even about four weeks, or since June 15th or whatever.

FOS All of 'em.

[JLette]

Hey DrewB! Damn scary that liar huh? Either she was anesthetized with street drugs or she is missing a few brain cells. That conversation with the 911 operator was like something out of a horror flick. She was completely devoid of any emotion and definitely saying more than she needed to say. She was over explaining. I agree with BoB re Cindy's motives and panic and 180 turn.

if you go through and read ALL of Casey's interviews with LE you will notice that she makes quite a habit of over explaining things that have no relevance. and while doing all this bizarre story telling for the cops, she is completely robotic in her demeanor....it is really weird because for all i can read about psychos on crime library it seems that when they are devoid of emotion and disassociated from the event this way they are either EXTREMELY good criminals or traumatized from other events or completely PSYCHOTIC. Casey is too stupid be good at being a criminal and i don't believe she has anything to be traumatized about and she really doesn't exhibit signs of psychosis, so what the hell is the story? its stuff like this that keeps me following this case long after disgust and upset would have caused me to let it go

[lorettalockhorn]

if you go through and read ALL of Casey's interviews with LE you will notice that she makes quite a habit of over explaining things that have no relevance. and while doing all this bizarre story telling for the cops, she is completely robotic in her demeanor....it is really weird because for all i can read about psychos on crime library it seems that when they are devoid of emotion and disassociated from the event this way they are either EXTREMELY good criminals or traumatized from other events or completely PSYCHOTIC. Casey is too stupid be good at being a criminal and i don't believe she has anything to be traumatized about and she really doesn't exhibit signs of psychosis, so what the hell is the story? its stuff like this that keeps me following this case long after disgust and upset would have caused me to let it go

It's like she's oblivious to the reality, but definitely not psychotic. Just detached (from the truth). :confused:

[Nawny]

if you go through and read ALL of Casey's interviews with LE you will notice that she makes quite a habit of over explaining things that have no relevance. and while doing all this bizarre story telling for the cops, she is completely robotic in her demeanor....it is really weird because for all i can read about psychos on crime library it seems that when they are devoid of emotion and disassociated from the event this way they are either EXTREMELY good criminals or traumatized from other events or completely PSYCHOTIC. Casey is too stupid be good at being a criminal and i don't believe she has anything to be traumatized about and she really doesn't exhibit signs of psychosis, so what the hell is the story? its stuff like this that keeps me following this case long after disgust and upset would have caused me to let it go

Yes J. That kind of behavior is a huge human interest story. It frightens us and it fascinates us at the same time IMO. She is either very sick or very drugged. We all seem to agree that she's a socio. I think at times, that she was the appropriate age to turn skitzo too. According to some reports, she was not always as bad as she got in 2008. But bad she was and I remember Cindy telling someone that Casey was a socio.. also warning on e of her boyfriends to stay away from her. So Cindy knew she was nuts. Why she let that nut leave the house with Caylee is my question.

When they can't see the elephant in the living room, they have no brain. Like loretta says, the whole bunch of them are FOS. They stone knew she was incompetent which makes them responsible and guilty by proxy. When people can't face the truth, they have no integrity.

Integrity is; having the courage to face the truth.
Having the courage to say no
Doing the right thing, because it is right.

Add Nawny's rolling pin and use it appropriately. :)

[Nawny]

What a huge disappointment - NG dosn't have the Cindy Anthony special. It had been advertised for two weeks. More on Michael Jackson. Nothing new there - just rehashing the same garbage. Enough already on MJ. :cuss:

Gator

AGREE! There is enough online and in the rag mags about MJ. If people want to know they can know instantly what's going on with his estate, like who cares?

However, I'm wondering if the grinch didn't pull the plug on that. Poppa said if that happened NG would have been all over it. But :shrug:

[Nawny]

i love licorice. Have you had vodka from poland marian? Sara

nancy grace will need some if she interviews cindy.

haaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[JLette]

Yes J. That kind of behavior is a huge human interest story. It frightens us and it fascinates us at the same time IMO. She is either very sick or very drugged. We all seem to agree that she's a socio. I think at times, that she was the appropriate age to turn skitzo too. According to some reports, she was not always as bad as she got in 2008. But bad she was and I remember Cindy telling someone that Casey was a socio.. also warning one of her boyfriends to stay away from her. So Cindy knew she was nuts. Why she let that nut leave the house with Caylee is my question.

When they can't see the elephant in the living room, they have no brain. Like loretta says, the whole bunch of them are FOS. They stone knew she was incompetent which makes them responsible and guilty by proxy. When people can't face the truth, they have no integrity.

Integrity is; having the courage to face the truth.
Having the courage to say no
Doing the right thing, because it is right.

Add Nawny's rolling pin and use it appropriately. :)


IIRC that was Jesse that she said that too. i am pretty sure it was something to the effect of "you need to stay the hell away from my daughter, she is a psycho!" i am almost positive it was Jesse who told LE about that

[DrewBerry]

if you go through and read ALL of Casey's interviews with LE you will notice that she makes quite a habit of over explaining things that have no relevance. and while doing all this bizarre story telling for the cops, she is completely robotic in her demeanor....it is really weird because for all i can read about psychos on crime library it seems that when they are devoid of emotion and disassociated from the event this way they are either EXTREMELY good criminals or traumatized from other events or completely PSYCHOTIC. Casey is too stupid be good at being a criminal and i don't believe she has anything to be traumatized about and she really doesn't exhibit signs of psychosis, so what the hell is the story? its stuff like this that keeps me following this case long after disgust and upset would have caused me to let it go

Hey JLette. She's a classic sociopath. Pathological liar who obviously rehearsed her story, therefore, the over-explaining. Very tangential, talks in circles (I call it word salad). She can't shut the hell up because she's convinced herself she's smarter than everyone else. Narcissistic to the Nth degree! Think of Scott Peterson. He did the same thing; all his detailed stories and lies didn't make sense to normal people. But he was convinced he could outsmart everyone because he was able to fool Laci and all those closest to him for years!
These people are personality disordered and it is my belief, stems from serious attachment problems with their primary caregiver as an infant and as they develop. Devoid of emotion, empathy towards others, grandiosity. They are sick but not insane. JMO.:seeya:
DrewB

[BeastofBears]

Well, like Cindy's attempt to get tough with Morgan & Mitkin, she fell short with Casey. Everything that Cindy has done since she found out that Casey ripped off Al has been too little, too late.

(And she's probably bashing a cross somewhere over the fact that not only did NG not feature her tonight, Nancy Schmancy didn't even show up.)

Maybe there are still negotiations going on...I wonder if any money is involved? :chicken:

[Nawny]

Hey JLette. She's a classic sociopath. Pathological liar who obviously rehearsed her story, therefore, the over-explaining. Very tangential, talks in circles (I call it word salad). She can't shut the hell up because she's convinced herself she's smarter than everyone else. Narcissistic to the Nth degree! Think of Scott Peterson. He did the same thing; all his detailed stories and lies didn't make sense to normal people. But he was convinced he could outsmart everyone because he was able to fool Laci and all those closest to him for years!
These people are personality disordered and it is my belief, stems from serious attachment problems with their primary caregiver as an infant and as they develop. Devoid of emotion, empathy towards others, grandiosity. They are sick but not insane. JMO.:seeya:
DrewB


I agree DrewB but the unanswerable questions is, why some people who have been tormented and disregarded don't run out that way. We all know someone who had it rough as kids, thrown to the dogs even, but are the nicest people. Needless to say, we know pretty things, lots of money, getting everything you want is not a replacement for love. And I don't care much about the fact that the liar was spoiled disgracefully but this sickness vs insanity still irks me. If someone who is "sick" can kill a child, but she has to be "insane" (legally) to be considered mentally ill, why isn't "sick socio" enough to define her as mentally ill?

I get that they want her to be put to death for this crime but insane mothers who kill their children should be put to death anyway! Who ever is capable of killing another human being should be dismissed from life. I'm tired of supporting these pigs. There are good people going hungry. Government should help them eat. Feed the children! Screw these killers.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe there are still negotiations going on...I wonder if any money is involved? :chicken:

Nancy's been MIA a lot lately so I wonder if something's up. Missed the intro tonight, so don't know if there was a promise of The Cindy Show in the near future.

It's just as nuts to devote the entire hour to MJ and say the same thing over and over as it ever was to do the same with Casey.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey JLette. She's a classic sociopath. Pathological liar who obviously rehearsed her story, therefore, the over-explaining. Very tangential, talks in circles (I call it word salad). She can't shut the hell up because she's convinced herself she's smarter than everyone else. Narcissistic to the Nth degree! Think of Scott Peterson. He did the same thing; all his detailed stories and lies didn't make sense to normal people. But he was convinced he could outsmart everyone because he was able to fool Laci and all those closest to him for years!
These people are personality disordered and it is my belief, stems from serious attachment problems with their primary caregiver as an infant and as they develop. Devoid of emotion, empathy towards others, grandiosity. They are sick but not insane. JMO.:seeya:
DrewB

Agree! Not sure exactly what kind of quality emotional support Cindy was capable of giving, considering what she's like now.


I agree DrewB but the unanswerable questions is, why some people who have been tormented and disregarded don't run out that way. We all know someone who had it rough as kids, thrown to the dogs even, but are the nicest people. Needless to say, we know pretty things, lots of money, getting everything you want is not a replacement for love. And I don't care much about the fact that the liar was spoiled disgracefully but this sickness vs insanity still irks me. If someone who is "sick" can kill a child, but she has to be "insane" (legally) to be considered mentally ill, why isn't "sick socio" enough to define her as mentally ill?

I get that they want her to be put to death for this crime but insane mothers who kill their children should be put to death anyway! Who ever is capable of killing another human being should be dismissed from life. I'm tired of supporting these pigs. There are good people going hungry. Government should help them eat. Feed the children! Screw these killers.

I think Casey could very well be mentally ill; hope they'll share her MMPI and the rest of her evaulation at trial (I vote attachment disorder!), but there's no way that she came claim insanity as a defense.

[BeastofBears]

Nancy's been MIA a lot lately so I wonder if something's up. Missed the intro tonight, so don't know if there was a promise of The Cindy Show in the near future.

It's just as nuts to devote the entire hour to MJ and say the same thing over and over as it ever was to do the same with Casey.

Or no more nuts...

OT, yeah, but I cannot believe after the whole Anna Nicole thing, docs were still enthusiastically writing prescriptions in pseudonyms...Go Jerry Brown, get 'em. imo.

[BeastofBears]

I love licorice. Have you had vodka from Poland Marian? sara

Nancy Grace will need some if she interviews Cindy.

lol!

If you want to try arak, BevMo has it, at least out here. But be warned, for all it tastes sweet and easy, it is real alcohol, so don't do like I did and down 5 teacups full!

[DrewBerry]

Agree! Not sure exactly what kind of quality emotional support Cindy was capable of giving, considering what she's like now.




I think Casey could very well be mentally ill; hope they'll share her MMPI and the rest of her evaulation at trial (I vote attachment disorder!), but there's no way that she came claim insanity as a defense.

ITA, Loretta. Hope we get a peek at psych. evals. You know Bozo has probably hired someone to say she's mentally ill --ugly coping skills, etc.!!
DrewB

[Nawny]

Agree! Not sure exactly what kind of quality emotional support Cindy was capable of giving, considering what she's like now.




I think Casey could very well be mentally ill; hope they'll share her MMPI and the rest of her evaluation at trial (I vote attachment disorder!), but there's no way that she came claim insanity as a defense.

I argue this all the time.. :( I want her to hang, but I just don't like the law's definition of insane. What would cause a legally sane person to kill an innocent little child? Was Liar high? Did she have a brain zap moment? Did she get a visit from Satan? Is it possible that she is genetically composed of the same mental disorder as her parents? Are they disordered as well? And if so, then Cindy must have put some extraordinary pressure on her to make her snap that way.

Jealousy is a dangerous thing. IMO they were both jealous. Cindy was jealous of Liar's youth and freedoms and Liar was jealous of little Caylee. So maybe the problem started with the grinch's childhood. Also after seeing the grinch in court at the depo, I never saw a sane person behave that way either.. snapping gum, yelling in a courtroom, pointing fingers and being disgustingly sarcastic. What part of her is able to do that and claim to be a good person at a vigil for a missing child? This is going to be one hell of a historic trial IMO.


If the psych evaluation comes across with a diagnosed narcissism complex and sociopath disorder, then what? Will the jury see her as mentally incompetent on that level? And, if they do will they spare her the DP?

[JLette]

I argue this all the time.. :( I want her to hang, but I just don't like the law's definition of insane. What would cause a legally sane person to kill an innocent little child? Was Liar high? Did she have a brain zap moment? Did she get a visit from Satan? Is it possible that she is genetically composed of the same mental disorder as her parents? Are they disordered as well? And if so, then Cindy must have put some extraordinary pressure on her to make her snap that way.

Jealousy is a dangerous thing. IMO they were both jealous. Cindy was jealous of Liar's youth and freedoms and Liar was jealous of little Caylee. So maybe the problem started with the grinch's childhood. Also after seeing the grinch in court at the depo, I never saw a sane person behave that way either.. snapping gum, yelling in a courtroom, pointing fingers and being disgustingly sarcastic. What part of her is able to do that and claim to be a good person at a vigil for a missing child? This is going to be one hell of a historic trial IMO.


If the psych evaluation comes across with a diagnosed narcissism complex and sociopath disorder, then what? Will the jury see her as mentally incompetent on that level? And, if they do will they spare her the DP?

i am going out on a limb here, because again i am using my knowledge of my own mother's behavior to compare to cyndi because they have striking similarities in my mind.

Cindy is a person who thinks that she is everything to everyone. what i mean by that is.....CAYLEE wasn't murdered, CYNDI lost her granddaughter, if you get what i mean. the only pressure i can see her putting on Casey at that point was about the money, possibly they had an argument about how Cyndi was DONE handing her everything if she was just going to turn around and steal from her own grandparents. maybe she also threatened to kick Casey out of the house altogether if she didn't get the dreaded J O B. so Casey leaves, probably with her panties in a major KNOT at that point because mommy wants to cut her off and take away her leverage (Caylee), so she is driving around or maybe parked somewhere and she is thinking of REVENGE.

so she sits in her car for a while, probably listening to Caylee crying for gramma in the backseat and she is sitting there thinking "how can i get back at that bit*h" and that is probably when the actual PLAN to kill Caylee happened. i believe that she had been thinking of ways to rid herself of the child for a long time before this but on that night she decided the best thing she could do is KILL her because not only would she not have Caylee anymore, but her MOTHER would not have her either.

JUST A THEORY of course, but i know how people like them operate as my family is almost their clones. also, Casey was raised by Cyndi and Cyndi would never in a million years admit to having any mental issues because if she did it would change the way people look at her. i believe that Casey is the same way, she would never try to use insanity as a defense because then people would think she was crazy, and you know, your guilt or innocence, hell you very LIFE, is not as important as your image right?

[JLette]

grrr it wouldn't let me edit that last one.

so....

i don't think that Cyndi really believed that Casey was capable of anything this extreme. i think that she knew she was spiteful enough to keep Caylee from her, but i don't believe that she had an inkling that her daughter was capable of actually HURTING Caylee, because if she had i really believe she would have called the cops the day - no the very minute that she walked out of that house with that little girl.

[lorettalockhorn]

I argue this all the time.. :( I want her to hang, but I just don't like the law's definition of insane. What would cause a legally sane person to kill an innocent little child? Was Liar high? Did she have a brain zap moment? Did she get a visit from Satan? Is it possible that she is genetically composed of the same mental disorder as her parents? Are they disordered as well? And if so, then Cindy must have put some extraordinary pressure on her to make her snap that way.

Jealousy is a dangerous thing. IMO they were both jealous. Cindy was jealous of Liar's youth and freedoms and Liar was jealous of little Caylee. So maybe the problem started with the grinch's childhood. Also after seeing the grinch in court at the depo, I never saw a sane person behave that way either.. snapping gum, yelling in a courtroom, pointing fingers and being disgustingly sarcastic. What part of her is able to do that and claim to be a good person at a vigil for a missing child? This is going to be one hell of a historic trial IMO.


If the psych evaluation comes across with a diagnosed narcissism complex and sociopath disorder, then what? Will the jury see her as mentally incompetent on that level? And, if they do will they spare her the DP?

I think the answer to why Casey murdered Caylee is probably simplistic rather than complicated. She was selfish and self-centered, the world should revolve around her. It's all about her.

On the MMPI, I think she scores high on the Lie, Psychopathic Deviate, and Hypomania scales and maybe the Hysteria and Paranoia scales with that superlative self-presentation thing going on. She's just screwed up!

[BeastofBears]

grrr it wouldn't let me edit that last one.

so....

i don't think that Cyndi really believed that Casey was capable of anything this extreme. i think that she knew she was spiteful enough to keep Caylee from her, but i don't believe that she had an inkling that her daughter was capable of actually HURTING Caylee, because if she had i really believe she would have called the cops the day - no the very minute that she walked out of that house with that little girl.

I totally agree with you. I don't think Cindy would have knowingly let Caylee be risked. I think she thought they were playing a familiar game. The times she told people her daughter was a "sociopath" and the "Caylee is missing" posting: that was hyperbole that I suspect she frequently used to garner sympathy to her "side"...I don't think she knew it was real, if that makes sense. All imo, of course.

[lorettalockhorn]

i am going out on a limb here, because again i am using my knowledge of my own mother's behavior to compare to cyndi because they have striking similarities in my mind.

Cindy is a person who thinks that she is everything to everyone. what i mean by that is.....CAYLEE wasn't murdered, CYNDI lost her granddaughter, if you get what i mean. the only pressure i can see her putting on Casey at that point was about the money, possibly they had an argument about how Cyndi was DONE handing her everything if she was just going to turn around and steal from her own grandparents. maybe she also threatened to kick Casey out of the house altogether if she didn't get the dreaded J O B. so Casey leaves, probably with her panties in a major KNOT at that point because mommy wants to cut her off and take away her leverage (Caylee), so she is driving around or maybe parked somewhere and she is thinking of REVENGE.

so she sits in her car for a while, probably listening to Caylee crying for gramma in the backseat and she is sitting there thinking "how can i get back at that bit*h" and that is probably when the actual PLAN to kill Caylee happened. i believe that she had been thinking of ways to rid herself of the child for a long time before this but on that night she decided the best thing she could do is KILL her because not only would she not have Caylee anymore, but her MOTHER would not have her either.

JUST A THEORY of course, but i know how people like them operate as my family is almost their clones. also, Casey was raised by Cyndi and Cyndi would never in a million years admit to having any mental issues because if she did it would change the way people look at her. i believe that Casey is the same way, she would never try to use insanity as a defense because then people would think she was crazy, and you know, your guilt or innocence, hell you very LIFE, is not as important as your image right?

Agree that Cindy thinks this crime happened to her. She has said as much in her pathetic attempts to garner sympathy. Disgusting.

[lorettalockhorn]

grrr it wouldn't let me edit that last one.

so....

i don't think that Cyndi really believed that Casey was capable of anything this extreme. i think that she knew she was spiteful enough to keep Caylee from her, but i don't believe that she had an inkling that her daughter was capable of actually HURTING Caylee, because if she had i really believe she would have called the cops the day - no the very minute that she walked out of that house with that little girl.

I'm not so sure about whether or not Cindy believed Casey was capable of murder, and we'll probably never know since it seems to be beyond her ability to tell the truth. But I wonder if truth be told, was Casey's behavior escalating (other than the dollar amounts of her thievery)? Had she ever made threats to harm anyone? According to Casey, Cindy tried to throttle her on 6/15, but you have to wonder if maybe it was the other way around. Even if that situation never happened outside of Casey's mind, you really have to wonder after even a mild confrontation over the theft from the Pleseas, why Cindy would allow Casey to take Caylee from the house. And at what time? Honestly, I don't remember what her exact account of that night.

[lorettalockhorn]

I totally agree with you. I don't think Cindy would have knowingly let Caylee be risked. I think she thought they were playing a familiar game. The times she told people her daughter was a "sociopath" and the "Caylee is missing" posting: that was hyperbole that I suspect she frequently used to garner sympathy to her "side"...I don't think she knew it was real, if that makes sense. All imo, of course.

I think Cindy has a tendency to be histrionic herself, so for her to downplay whatever danger Caylee was in seems foreign somehow, but yeah I can see her frequently using hyperbole to get attention from her co-workers and friends (if she has any) where Casey was concerned.

[DrewBerry]

I argue this all the time.. :( I want her to hang, but I just don't like the law's definition of insane. What would cause a legally sane person to kill an innocent little child? Was Liar high? Did she have a brain zap moment? Did she get a visit from Satan? Is it possible that she is genetically composed of the same mental disorder as her parents? Are they disordered as well? And if so, then Cindy must have put some extraordinary pressure on her to make her snap that way.

Jealousy is a dangerous thing. IMO they were both jealous. Cindy was jealous of Liar's youth and freedoms and Liar was jealous of little Caylee. So maybe the problem started with the grinch's childhood. Also after seeing the grinch in court at the depo, I never saw a sane person behave that way either.. snapping gum, yelling in a courtroom, pointing fingers and being disgustingly sarcastic. What part of her is able to do that and claim to be a good person at a vigil for a missing child? This is going to be one hell of a historic trial IMO.


If the psych evaluation comes across with a diagnosed narcissism complex and sociopath disorder, then what? Will the jury see her as mentally incompetent on that level? And, if they do will they spare her the DP?

Hey Nawny! Excellent post, my dear. As we all know, having a diagnosis of a mental illness does not mean insanity. This includes antisocial disorder. Bozo will have a hard time finding a psychiatrist to testify that she is insane or was insane "in the moment." I totally agree with your assessment and would even go as far to say bipolar disorder is in the mix. Still doesn't mean she's insane. She'll never admit her guilt, show remorse or sadness that her daughter is dead. She is unable to feel (anything but rage, that is). I agree that Grinch & Liar were extremely jealous of each other --but for different reasons, of course.
I would even bet that the Grinch has been suffering from some untreated mental illness. I really doubt she would EVER seek help or admit she has a problem. EVER.
DrewB

OT: Nawny, just thought I'd let you know---still no rain here! For the past week it's been 90 degrees here in rainy Seattle. Today will be the hottest day of the year so far. Going to my sister's for bbq to celebrate our b'days. She's the 5th and I'm the 15th. We are the SAME age for 10 days!! :seeya:

[samanthajane13]

I think that Cindy is just as sociopathic as the Skank.

And just as jealous.

I think that the big pressure on the Skank went back to Cindy insisting that the Skank carry the pregnancy to term and keep Caylee.

I think if she had a way, she would have aborted Caylee, sold her to the highest bidder, or simply given her to anyone on the street who would take her.

"Baby! Free to good home-or not"

If she gave her away, Caylee wouldn't have been her problem anymore. She would have ceased to exist-just like she did during the 31 days that passed before anyone other than the Skank knew she was gone.

I don't think that there's any way that the Skank wanted her, nor do I think that the Skank was emotionally equipped to care for her.

She didn't WANT her-PERIOD.

She was a meal-ticket as long as she was living with Cindy and George, so she allowed her to live.

She was just keeping up appearances until she could hook up with...WHOMEVER.

It didn't matter who-just as long as she could do what she wanted-on their dime.

And when the guy she set her sights on didn't want Caylee, she HAD to go.

If she didn't have Caylee, she could have gone on and done what she damn well pleased.

Puerto Rico...screwing every guy with a pulse...drinking and getting high...not working...stealing...the list goes on and on.

Caylee was in the way of all the things the Skank wanted to do.

But it was Cindy that forced her into that position.

I'm not saying that the Skank was innocent in this, but Cindy should be right next to her in jail, for putting Caylee in danger from the time she was conceived.

It was just a matter of time before the Skank found a way to get rid of her-one way or another.

Had Cindy allowed her to abort or give Caylee up for adoption, NONE of this would have happened.

To Cindy-it's all about what SHE wants...

To the Skank-it's all about what SHE wants.

What we have been witness to for the past year is what happens when the wants and needs of two sociopaths CONFLICTS.

[DrewBerry]

Hey Sam! Good points. I remember reading that the Skank hid her pregnancy for a long time (7 mos.?). . .so, did she intentionally do that so it would be too late for abortion and she could pin it on some guy who would support her? Then as you say, he dumped her and she had no choice but to go to Mommy. :confused:
It should all come out in the trial.
DrewB

[samanthajane13]

"I argue this all the time.. I want her to hang, but I just don't like the law's definition of insane."


Paralytic agent-with a rusty needle.

Slow wood-chipper-feet first.

Burn the remains at the nearest cross-roads.

Sing "Dong Dong The Witch Is Dead".

Say a prayer for Caylee.

Go home and get drunk.

[BeastofBears]

It's so frustrating to know that we will never really know, since literally no two stories match up:( Poor Caylee. This should have been a fun day for her.

[DrewBerry]

I think Cindy has a tendency to be histrionic herself, so for her to downplay whatever danger Caylee was in seems foreign somehow, but yeah I can see her frequently using hyperbole to get attention from her co-workers and friends (if she has any) where Casey was concerned.

Hi Loretta. Good call.
I can just hear her at work talking non-stop to co-workers about the Liar being a problem, etc. I can't wait to hear from them at trial.
Happy 4th everyone!:patriot:
DrewB

[SaraSidle]

lol!

If you want to try arak, BevMo has it, at least out here. But be warned, for all it tastes sweet and easy, it is real alcohol, so don't do like I did and down 5 teacups full!

It sounds like Absinthe to me. If I do see it I will be careful if I indulge.

I am so tired of every talk show this week having the same thing. there are other happenings in the world. I mean CNN every host had the same theme all week. spread the topics around please. I would like to see NG do some Caylee and some other missing and not devote an entire show to one thing. now I am being biotchy. 4th of July and it is going to rain and was not supposed to. whine whine whine...........sara

[Marian Paroo]

It sounds like Absinthe to me. If I do see it I will be careful if I indulge.

I am so tired of every talk show this week having the same thing. there are other happenings in the world. I mean CNN every host had the same theme all week. spread the topics around please. I would like to see NG do some Caylee and some other missing and not devote an entire show to one thing. now I am being biotchy. 4th of July and it is going to rain and was not supposed to. whine whine whine...........sara

No, not like absinthe at all. Real absinthe can be deadly and is illegal :no: in most places, including France where I think it originated, or at least flourished in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

It is available in some of the former Soviet satellite nations, I know people who have brought it back.:eek: I'll stick with the imitation stuff, thank you.

So MJ has replaced everything else? When is the service set for? Do they have a final date yet?

[lorettalockhorn]

It's so frustrating to know that we will never really know, since literally no two stories match up:( Poor Caylee. This should have been a fun day for her.

Oh, BoB. I was just puttering in the kitchen and it occurred to me that if Caylee was alive, Cindy would probably make her one of those kitschy Fourth of July cakes. Poor baby.

http://i40.tinypic.com/1238aoi.jpg

HAPPY 4TH!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

It sounds like Absinthe to me. If I do see it I will be careful if I indulge.

I am so tired of every talk show this week having the same thing. there are other happenings in the world. I mean CNN every host had the same theme all week. spread the topics around please. I would like to see NG do some Caylee and some other missing and not devote an entire show to one thing. now I am being biotchy. 4th of July and it is going to rain and was not supposed to. whine whine whine...........sara

LMAO@your whining. We need rain here badly, I've been whining the opposite! Watered my hostas and azaleas this morning, so if we get any, I get the credit. :hat: Hope you have a great 4th!

Leroy gave me a bottle of absinthe last year for my BDay. I didn't like the taste much, but wasn't about to not drink it. There's a lot that man will never understand about me, but he totally gets my wanting to try alcoholic drinks! :tongue:

[BeastofBears]

No, not like absinthe at all. Real absinthe can be deadly and is illegal :no: in most places, including France where I think it originated, or at least flourished in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

It is available in some of the former Soviet satellite nations, I know people who have brought it back.:eek: I'll stick with the imitation stuff, thank you.

So MJ has replaced everything else? When is the service set for? Do they have a final date yet?

MJ everything, even on Nancy Grance. uggh. They will be planting him on Tuesday at Forest Lawn, with a public memorial at Staples Pavilion in LA. Then hopefully we can get back to news that matters. Best thing that ever happened for the Iranian ayatollahs, that's for sure. And Mark Sanford, and Palin could slip her whatever she's up to into the maelstrom. Now the news cycle has moved on...

[SaraSidle]

MJ everything, even on Nancy Grance. uggh. They will be planting him on Tuesday at Forest Lawn, with a public memorial at Staples Pavilion in LA. Then hopefully we can get back to news that matters. Best thing that ever happened for the Iranian ayatollahs, that's for sure. And Mark Sanford, and Palin could slip her whatever she's up to into the maelstrom. Now the news cycle has moved on...

I also heard there would be no parade traffic for the memorial. That will help for your BFF cousin in traffic. I also wish we could see more news about US too. sara

[SaraSidle]

LMAO@your whining. We need rain here badly, I've been whining the opposite! Watered my hostas and azaleas this morning, so if we get any, I get the credit. :hat: Hope you have a great 4th!

Leroy gave me a bottle of absinthe last year for my BDay. I didn't like the taste much, but wasn't about to not drink it. There's a lot that man will never understand about me, but he totally gets my wanting to try alcoholic drinks! :tongue:

oh my goodness Loretta I am so sorry You just had your birthday. Happy Birthday to you and FDI. I have been telling our rain to go to where you are at but it does not listen and keeps Nawny company. Thank goodness we did not have any tonight. Good for Leroy. I like trying new things within reason myself. Did you hallucinate? I heard that you do so I did not have any since my DH nephew brought it over. I did not want to seem any more goofy than I am...........sara

[SaraSidle]

No, not like absinthe at all. Real absinthe can be deadly and is illegal :no: in most places, including France where I think it originated, or at least flourished in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

It is available in some of the former Soviet satellite nations, I know people who have brought it back.:eek: I'll stick with the imitation stuff, thank you.

So MJ has replaced everything else? When is the service set for? Do they have a final date yet?

I did not have any. smelled like licorice to me. I do not know how real it was anyways. sara

[Nawny]

i am going out on a limb here, because again i am using my knowledge of my own mother's behavior to compare to cyndi because they have striking similarities in my mind.

Cindy is a person who thinks that she is everything to everyone. what i mean by that is.....CAYLEE wasn't murdered, CYNDI lost her granddaughter, if you get what i mean. the only pressure i can see her putting on Casey at that point was about the money, possibly they had an argument about how Cyndi was DONE handing her everything if she was just going to turn around and steal from her own grandparents. maybe she also threatened to kick Casey out of the house altogether if she didn't get the dreaded J O B. so Casey leaves, probably with her panties in a major KNOT at that point because mommy wants to cut her off and take away her leverage (Caylee), so she is driving around or maybe parked somewhere and she is thinking of REVENGE.
so she sits in her car for a while, probably listening to Caylee crying for gramma in the backseat and she is sitting there thinking "how can i get back at that bit*h" and that is probably when the actual PLAN to kill Caylee happened. i believe that she had been thinking of ways to rid herself of the child for a long time before this but on that night she decided the best thing she could do is KILL her because not only would she not have Caylee anymore, but her MOTHER would not have her either. JUST A THEORY of course, but i know how people like them operate as my family is almost their clones. also, Casey was raised by Cyndi and Cyndi would never in a million years admit to having any mental issues because if she did it would change the way people look at her. i believe that Casey is the same way, she would never try to use insanity as a defense because then people would think she was crazy, and you know, your guilt or innocence, hell you very LIFE, is not as important as your image right?

This is my thinking also J. You're right on! But the qquestion still hangs in the fact that normal people could not think that way and act out that way. So the state's definition of insane is on thin ice. IMO

[Nawny]

I think the answer to why Casey murdered Caylee is probably simplistic rather than complicated. She was selfish and self-centered, the world should revolve around her. It's all about her.

On the MMPI, I think she scores high on the Lie, Psychopathic Deviate, and Hypomania scales and maybe the Hysteria and Paranoia scales with that superlative self-presentation thing going on. She's just screwed up!

Your conclusion is very simple and most likely true. Will the jury wrap it up that way though... I lean toward her self centeredness and agree she most likely "just screwed up" as opposed to killing what was in her way, and deliberately killed her to spite the Grinch, but that brings us back to - she is simply STUPID.

I mean, she lost her patience and taped her mouth shut so she could go party. That would mean IMO she did not kill her in the house. I keep seeing her doing it outside the house, putting her in the trunk for a time and finding her dead when she went to retrieve her.. but that doesn't work.

If the dogs smelled her scent in the back yard... I'm left with, She killed her in the house. That brings me back to, murder for spite.

If she was charged with premeditated murder, which she was (wasn't she?) That must mean she planned it because she wanted to escape the Grinch and planned to make it look like kidnapping so she could get out from under Grinch, go on to live her life ala via Bella Vita. It stands to reason after seeing the persona of Grinch all over the tube, that Grinch was the bane of her existence. At the end of the day, Loretta's take on her is as correct as can be. And yet, this is still not sane behavior to me on her part or Grinch's. IMO.

[Nawny]

I totally agree with you. I don't think Cindy would have knowingly let Caylee be risked. I think she thought they were playing a familiar game. The times she told people her daughter was a "sociopath" and the "Caylee is missing" posting: that was hyperbole that I suspect she frequently used to garner sympathy to her "side"...I don't think she knew it was real, if that makes sense. All imo, of course.

I like your way of thinking; so out of the box. I do know what you mean. After watching her employ so much magical thinking in her speeches, I can understand that she cannot entertain that her daughter is capable of murder. She wanted exclusive rights to bash her, character assassinate her and control her life. But she saw liar as her property, as so many have suggested here. I believe that.

I also believe that she totally believed she was indispensable to liar and that she would not stay away from her for more than a day or two. Because she wanted to stay indispensable, she forced her to keep that baby and Caylee was used from day one, as a prop for her own control issues. Grinch may have had a huge abandonment complex.

(I can't figure out how to double quote.. when I click that thing, it doesn't work on my LT :(

[Nawny]

Agree that Cindy thinks this crime happened to her. She has said as much in her pathetic attempts to garner sympathy. Disgusting.

BADA BING! Bulls eye!:beer:

[Nawny]

Hey Nawny! Excellent post, my dear. As we all know, having a diagnosis of a mental illness does not mean insanity. This includes antisocial disorder. Bozo will have a hard time finding a psychiatrist to testify that she is insane or was insane "in the moment." I totally agree with your assessment and would even go as far to say bipolar disorder is in the mix. Still doesn't mean she's insane. She'll never admit her guilt, show remorse or sadness that her daughter is dead. She is unable to feel (anything but rage, that is). I agree that Grinch & Liar were extremely jealous of each other --but for different reasons, of course.
I would even bet that the Grinch has been suffering from some untreated mental illness. I really doubt she would EVER seek help or admit she has a problem. EVER.
DrewB

OT: Nawny, just thought I'd let you know---still no rain here! For the past week it's been 90 degrees here in rainy Seattle. Today will be the hottest day of the year so far. Going to my sister's for bbq to celebrate our b'days. She's the 5th and I'm the 15th. We are the SAME age for 10 days!! :seeya:

I love to analyze nut cases. If I could live my life over, I'd formally study them. Probably because of the dysfunctional world I grew up in. The theories are endless but the sorrow, I've learned, can end with abstinence.

While I was the 5th child out of seven surviving children in my big family, I got away somehow. I have one sister who could be an understudy for the Grinch with a little more flavor. ;) I remember the quote someone made to me when I was under her guns (one of the many times) "Get rid of the source." It took me many years to employ that because I believed in family. Then the puppet master (my mother) passed away and everything changed.

I believe now, that some people cannot change. I am no longer a people pleaser, I've grown very selective about who is in my world. Life is better, but the scars are there.

For many years I thought I was defective and my main concern was, I am part of them, so I must be like them. A counselor said, "In big families that are geared toward dysfunction and negativity, one always gets away. Through my tears I said, "God please let it be me!" That counselor advised me not to argue with them. He said , when you're with them you have to enter their world and respond on their level. :eek: I worried that I might get stuck in their world and not be able to come out. lol! But I didn't. Whew! So now I see this case and in some screwy way, I understand those people and I vote for the state to win. I used to make excuses for bad people. Caylee paid for their rottenness. That saddens me deeply. Justice needs to be served. To hell with them all.

It didn't rain yesterday! We had a great time and I ate myself stupid. It's not raining now either.. But I don't trust the sky. ;) Yay! The sun is out! :)

[beemer]

Nawny you were the strong one-kudos to you. We never stop learning or growing from life experience. So many toxic people out there. My DH grew up in a dysfuntional home. He is the youngest. He took the same from his experience-he was never going to be like his Dad. He sought out counselling when he was about 18 to rid himself of anger and resentment. At the end of his counselling it was suggested he confront his father and tell him how his abuse made him feel. He did that and by then his Dad was a mellow man. His father made amends and they became very close. When i would hear the odd story over the years it was so hard to wrap my head around it from the man i came to know when i came into the picture. Two of his siblings are not abusive but they are certainly warped in their thought process-the world owes them,poor me,yadayada. So we limit our contact and it's all good.

[Amy]

Now that we have heard just about every darn bombshell that could possibly be, I wish, just once ~

That every single thing that really should be addressed to Cynthia Anthony ~ be addressed! Enough of this crap! Time for the real questions, and will NG do it? Nah. Certain 'media' types are still babying the grandparents because of their loss, and it won't look right. :rolleyes: The only one who addressed anything close was Morgan. Meanwhile, they have done irrepairable damage by not being truthful (the dog/cindy brush), lying about the stealing, etc, etc...LE has gone around in circles at times because of these three.

Time to send NG some e mails again to offer and/or suggest to ask the hard questions, and see what the Grinch will say once she is cornered.

Hey Cindy, if you had the nanny's addresss and number, why didn't you call her?
Hey Cindy, what do you make of Casey's newest tattoo, and why would Casey get that one after Caylee disappeared?
Hey Cindy, who had the fight with her, you or Georgie Porgie?
Hey Cindy...wanna buy a t shirt?...http://i39.tinypic.com/ayul8y.jpg

Been off a couple of days. But, the way I read the promo for NG's program is that she is going to be looking @ and comparing interviews and tapes and such, and pointing out contradictory statements (and mistruths, half-truths, etc) I didn't get the idea that she was actually going to have Cindy on the show (and I don't believe for one minute that Cindy would agree to be on her show--NG has been on her bad list since about the beginning.)

So, when is this special to be aired? I suppose, being out of the loop, I missed it already? lol

[JLette]

Been off a couple of days. But, the way I read the promo for NG's program is that she is going to be looking @ and comparing interviews and tapes and such, and pointing out contradictory statements (and mistruths, half-truths, etc) I didn't get the idea that she was actually going to have Cindy on the show (and I don't believe for one minute that Cindy would agree to be on her show--NG has been on her bad list since about the beginning.)

So, when is this special to be aired? I suppose, being out of the loop, I missed it already? lol

i think it was supposed to air on friday and again on monday but on friday it was nothing but Michael effin Jackson sooo......:shrug:

[Amy]

I still think CA thought Casey was holding out on her about Caylee, so she was using 911 to threaten her with grand theft auto so she would hand Caylee over. But she didn't realize until she overheard Casey tell Lee Casey was missing that she had no Caylee to hand over...

imo, no way CA was ever going to press charges on the car thing, she just wanted to "tough love" Casey to get Caylee. Then she panicked. Then she got over her panic...imo...

But I may be wrong. Applying logic to this family could be quite futile.

I also had the impression (mostly from Lee's LE interview) that the first calls were made BEFORE Casey admitted that Caylee had been "missing" for 31 days.

[JLette]

I also had the impression (mostly from Lee's LE interview) that the first calls were made BEFORE Casey admitted that Caylee had been "missing" for 31 days.

yea i think that during the first 911 call all cyndi had to go on was the stinky car, she thought something had happened to one or both of them IMO, then the second 911 call was cyndi trying to threaten casey into turning over caylee, and the third 911 call was when it all came out into the light

[Amy]

lol!

If you want to try arak, BevMo has it, at least out here. But be warned, for all it tastes sweet and easy, it is real alcohol, so don't do like I did and down 5 teacups full!

When I was in college, a roommate I had sloe gin once. In 7-up. Couldn't even tell I was drinking alcohol. The guys we were with were real gentlemen. I don't know how much we had, but they took us back to the dorm when they could have probably had their way w/us. That's when I realized I'd had a bit much, scrawled my name really big on the sign in sheet, couldn't control my hand!!!

[Amy]

I'm not so sure about whether or not Cindy believed Casey was capable of murder, and we'll probably never know since it seems to be beyond her ability to tell the truth. But I wonder if truth be told, was Casey's behavior escalating (other than the dollar amounts of her thievery)? Had she ever made threats to harm anyone? According to Casey, Cindy tried to throttle her on 6/15, but you have to wonder if maybe it was the other way around. Even if that situation never happened outside of Casey's mind, you really have to wonder after even a mild confrontation over the theft from the Pleseas, why Cindy would allow Casey to take Caylee from the house. And at what time? Honestly, I don't remember what her exact account of that night.

Cindy's account of the night of the 15th was that they had all spent a quiet night @ home. There was something about the pool, can't remember the particulars, but Cindy seemed to have "corrected" a statement (from whom?) about who had been in the pool that evening. I don't recall there being any specific statements about what time they had all gone to bed or anything. Just that it was a normal, quiet evening. Whatever normal means in that household. IMO

[JLette]

Cindy's account of the night of the 15th was that they had all spent a quiet night @ home. There was something about the pool, can't remember the particulars, but Cindy seemed to have "corrected" a statement (from whom?) about who had been in the pool that evening. I don't recall there being any specific statements about what time they had all gone to bed or anything. Just that it was a normal, quiet evening. Whatever normal means in that household. IMO

that's interesting, casey used those same words to describe when she "first realized" caylee was missing. she told LE that she left "work" and drove to sawgrass to pick up caylee "just like any other NORMAL day" and no one was their.

not sure where my thoughts are headed with this, but it seems that this family all have the same UNtalent for lying

[lorettalockhorn]

I also had the impression (mostly from Lee's LE interview) that the first calls were made BEFORE Casey admitted that Caylee had been "missing" for 31 days.

Skeptic that I am, I just don't know if I believe the any of the Anthonys' timeline (whether under oath or not).

Cindy's account of the night of the 15th was that they had all spent a quiet night @ home. There was something about the pool, can't remember the particulars, but Cindy seemed to have "corrected" a statement (from whom?) about who had been in the pool that evening. I don't recall there being any specific statements about what time they had all gone to bed or anything. Just that it was a normal, quiet evening. Whatever normal means in that household. IMO

Cindy probably has at least two versions of every statement and every point. I think she knew, just as George did, that there had been a dead body in the damned car, and that it was Caylee since it obviously wasn't Casey. When she told George that "we've lost her", or however it was worded, I think she knewthat there was no kidnapping. No Timer 55. No Zanny the Nanny. What's normal at the Anthonys' house is lies.

[SaraSidle]

Skeptic that I am, I just don't know if I believe the any of the Anthonys' timeline (whether under oath or not).



Cindy probably has at least two versions of every statement and every point. I think she knew, just as George did, that there had been a dead body in the damned car, and that it was Caylee since it obviously wasn't Casey. When she told George that "we've lost her", or however it was worded, I think she knewthat there was no kidnapping. No Timer 55. No Zanny the Nanny. What's normal at the Anthonys' house is lies.

I totally agree Loretta. I do not even try to figure it out any more and I am sure we will not every know the truth about Caylee's last days. I make myself satisfied that she was found and is at peace. And her odious mother is locked up forever. IMO sara

[Justice Denied?]

Well, like Cindy's attempt to get tough with Morgan & Mitkin, she fell short with Casey. Everything that Cindy has done since she found out that Casey ripped off Al has been too little, too late.

(And she's probably bashing a cross somewhere over the fact that not only did NG not feature her tonight, Nancy Schmancy didn't even show up.)

I think that NG special is going to be a pre-recorded thing using Cindy's comments from the Zanny deposition. That's the way it sounds in the ads. I figured they did that so NG could have the Friday before the 4th off.

She won't go live on NG because NG would treat her like she does most of her other guests. (which I would pay to see, by the way) JMO

[BeastofBears]

I think that NG special is going to be a pre-recorded thing using Cindy's comments from the Zanny deposition. That's the way it sounds in the ads. I figured they did that so NG could have the Friday before the 4th off.

She won't go live on NG because NG would treat her like she does most of her other guests. (which I would pay to see, by the way) JMO

Yep, a pre-packaged thing so she can take more fuzzy photos of the twins to subject us to next week...too bad, because I know just what you mean about being willing to pay...

[lorettalockhorn]

I think that NG special is going to be a pre-recorded thing using Cindy's comments from the Zanny deposition. That's the way it sounds in the ads. I figured they did that so NG could have the Friday before the 4th off.

She won't go live on NG because NG would treat her like she does most of her other guests. (which I would pay to see, by the way) JMO

This is the post about NG featuring and scrutinizing Cindy:

Nancy Grace to feature Cindy Anthony in upcoming 2-part special

On the upcoming Friday and Monday episodes of Nancy Grace's HLN show, she will scrutinize Cindy Anthony, mother of accused murderer, Casey Anthony.

Cindy Anthony is no stranger to media and public scrutiny. She and her husband George have appeared on numerous television shows unabashedly supporting their daughter, Casey, accused of murdering their granddaughter, 2-year-old Caylee.

Casey is charged with killing her daughter and dumping the body, enclosed in trash bags, in a wooded area near the Anthony family home. Caylee’s skull was found with duct tape wrapped around the nose and mouth area.

Casey told authorities the last time she saw her little girl was around June 16, 2008, when she dropped her off with a babysitter. Police investigated Casey’s story, but found the babysitter did not exist and the address Casey had given them for the sitter was an apartment that had not been occupied for months.

Cindy Anthony contacted authorities to report Caylee missing when Casey could not produce her granddaughter for over a month.

Grace’s special is entitled, “Nancy Grace Investigates: Raw & Uncensored Cindy Anthony Caught on Tape!”

Hal Boedecker reports the show is billed by HLN as “a special inside look at the mother of accused killer Casey Anthony.” The two-part program will examine moments from Cindy’s deposition in the Zenaida Gonzalez defamation lawsuit against Casey. To see the complete video of Cindy's deposition, click here.

Part 1 is scheduled to air Friday and Part 2 on Monday. You can watch live streaming of both parts when they air, by clicking here.

Casey’s murder trial is tentatively scheduled for Oct. 12, but due to legal complexities, will likely be delayed until sometime in 2010.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d30-Nancy-Grace-to-feature-Cindy-Anthony-in-upcoming-2part-special

This doesn't say anything about Cindy actually appearing and I'd faint and fall back in it if she did; there's no love lost there. Haven't seen any ads this weekend, but it was originally set to air 7/3 and 7/6. Guess they'll have to figure out how to work it in with Michael Jackson's lying in state. :confused::rolleyes::shrug:

[deacon]

Well, if one thinks that casey is insane by the legal definition then there are others out there that were just as insane.

Jeffery Dahmer, Dennis Radar, Ted Bundy and the list goes on. That is why there is a very narrow definition of insane where the law is concerned. IMO, no one who kills another unless it is self defense is crazy. However, that does not make them legally insane. These people, including casey, knew what they were doing was wrong. If not, they would no try to hide it. Or hide themselves.

Death penalty? That has become a joke in this country.

[Nawny]

Well, if one thinks that casey is insane by the legal definition then there are others out there that were just as insane.

Jeffery Dahmer, Dennis Radar, Ted Bundy and the list goes on. That is why there is a very narrow definition of insane where the law is concerned. IMO, no one who kills another unless it is self defense is crazy. However, that does not make them legally insane. These people, including casey, knew what they were doing was wrong. If not, they would no try to hide it. Or hide themselves.

Death penalty? That has become a joke in this country.

I figure they have their reasons for shaving down the definition of insane deacon, but I'd love to know those reasons. Knoowing it is wrong to kill another human being is why they are not classified as insane?

Okay lemme try to explain my problem with it. Say, someone knows the laws and decides to kill anyway, and they plot, then exicute their plan and that plan is to drive to the mall and kill 20 people; how is that sane? Is that kind of person sane only because they planned it and found a way to make it manifest?

I read a book about twin brothers, both intelligent, both well educated. One of them went skitzo in college, sort of like the mathematician in "A Beautiful Mind" movie/book.

THe sick twin became the dependent of the normal twin. He took care of him until he couldn't any longer and the sick twin ended up institutionalized. While on a day trip to a public library with his fellow patients and a caretaker, he took out a steak knife and in the middle of the library he screamed obscenities at some imaginary government threat and proceeded to cut off his left hand. (He eventually committed suicide)

But that day, even with the help of meds, he was absolutely, without question, INSANE. I get that Casey is not insane in that manner.

How about we classify levels of insanity, like that's something new. :shrug:

[Nawny]

Nawny you were the strong one-kudos to you. We never stop learning or growing from life experience. So many toxic people out there. My DH grew up in a dysfunctional home. He is the youngest. He took the same from his experience-he was never going to be like his Dad. He sought out counselling when he was about 18 to rid himself of anger and resentment. At the end of his counselling it was suggested he confront his father and tell him how his abuse made him feel. He did that and by then his Dad was a mellow man. His father made amends and they became very close. When i would hear the odd story over the years it was so hard to wrap my head around it from the man i came to know when i came into the picture. Two of his siblings are not abusive but they are certainly warped in their thought process-the world owes them,poor me,yadayada. So we limit our contact and it's all good.

Thank you Bree. I am strong yes and I thank GOd all the time for that bit of extra even when I'm down. But if I go near the regime, I suffer, never fails. I am glad your DH got away and that he even had the courage to question the powers that be. That took a great lot of guts. There but for the grace of God go he and he survived with the love you gave him! Love is all there is, after all the searching.

[deacon]

I figure they have their reasons for shaving down the definition of insane deacon, but I'd love to know those reasons. Knoowing it is wrong to kill another human being is why they are not classified as insane?

Okay lemme try to explain my problem with it. Say, someone knows the laws and decides to kill anyway, and they plot, then exicute their plan and that plan is to drive to the mall and kill 20 people; how is that sane? Is that kind of person sane only because they planned it and found a way to make it manifest?

I read a book about twin brothers, both intelligent, both well educated. One of them went skitzo in college, sort of like the mathematician in "A Beautiful Mind" movie/book.

THe sick twin became the dependent of the normal twin. He took care of him until he couldn't any longer and the sick twin ended up institutionalized. While on a day trip to a public library with his fellow patients and a caretaker, he took out a steak knife and in the middle of the library he screamed obscenities at some imaginary government threat and proceeded to cut off his left hand. (He eventually committed suicide)

But that day, even with the help of meds, he was absolutely, without question, INSANE. I get that Casey is not insane in that manner.

How about we classify levels of insanity, like that's something new. :shrug:

If you knew what you were doing is wrong then, by law, you are not insane. If, on the other hand, you do not realize that what you are doing is wrong, then you are legally insane under the law.

If not, it would be entirely too easy to kill someone and claim insanity. Whether it was a child, a wife, a husband what ever. If you know it is wrong and do it anyway, it is murder. You may have a personality disorder but legally you are sane. I really do agree with the way it is. If not, too many murders like the ones mentioned before could successfully plead insanity and walk free in a year or less.

[Nawny]

oh my goodness Loretta I am so sorry You just had your birthday. Happy Birthday to you and FDI. I have been telling our rain to go to where you are at but it does not listen and keeps Nawny company. Thank goodness we did not have any tonight. Good for Leroy. I like trying new things within reason myself. Did you hallucinate? I heard that you do so I did not have any since my DH nephew brought it over. I did not want to seem any more goofy than I am...........sara


HAPPY BIRTHDAY LORETTA!!!!!

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Sorry, Nawny loves chocolate tee hee..

[Nawny]

If you knew what you were doing is wrong then, by law, you are not insane. If, on the other hand, you do not realize that what you are doing is wrong, then you are legally insane under the law.

If not, it would be entirely too easy to kill someone and claim insanity. Whether it was a child, a wife, a husband what ever. If you know it is wrong and do it anyway, it is murder. You may have a personality disorder but legally you are sane. I really do agree with the way it is. If not, too many murders like the ones mentioned before could successfully plead insanity and walk free in a year or less.


Got it.

Except for one thing; why do they let them walk free after they are classified insane?

:chicken:

[Marian Paroo]

Got it.

Except for one thing; why do they let them walk free after they are classified insane?

:chicken:

Well, what's his name (brain fog moment) who shot Reagan is still incarcerated in his deluxe mental insitution.

[beemer]

Well, what's his name (brain fog moment) who shot Reagan is still incarcerated in his deluxe mental insitution.

Yes he is but read about his supervised and unsupervised visits home. Now thats insane to me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley

[Marian Paroo]

Yes he is but read about his supervised and unsupervised visits home. Now thats insane to me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley

Familiar with that, but thanks for the link. Best justice that money can buy.

[Nawny]

Well, what's his name (brain fog moment) who shot Reagan is still incarcerated in his deluxe mental insitution.

Indeed :) Deluxe indeed. We love to support those sickies here while the homeless innocents die in alcoves in the dark city back streets. Aren't we nice? :cuss: What's wrong with that picture?
I say we make them insanes crawl over glass for a cup of warm dirty water daily. :mad: Including Casey Anthony. Screw her and her pork rinds and eye liner.

[Nawny]

Yes he is but read about his supervised and unsupervised visits home. Now thats insane to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinckley

Me too!

[beemer]

What is insane to me is the fact that this was so high profile and look at the privileges-a drivers license??? I mean how much more high profile can u get than trying to kill the President. What about the guy we never hear about who does fall into this 2%. Psychosis in remission-what the hay is that? It's not cancer. We have a friend who pushed his wife after finding her in bed with someone else. No more than a push-not that thats right either but charge was assault and he cant even get his fishing license back???

[samanthajane13]

"HAPPY BIRTHDAY LORETTA!!!!!"

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Hope it was WONDERFUL, Loretta, just like YOU!!!

[beemer]

Too cute Sam-luv the pink cake-we got chocolate from Nawny and this one. I say lets have a PARTAY:beer:

[Gatordog]

One year ago.... party.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19940518/detail.html

[deacon]

Got it.

Except for one thing; why do they let them walk free after they are classified insane?

:chicken:

because some Dr. will say that they are "under control taking the meds they are on" and the problem with that is when they get out from under the daily care of the Dr. most stop taking the meds.:shrug:

[samanthajane13]

Hey Beemer-check your PMs.

[Nawny]

One year ago.... party.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19940518/detail.html

That son of a (@*@&@^!%!$!~&%~@_)(***##&@

:cuss:

[Nawny]

because some Dr. will say that they are "under control taking the meds they are on" and the problem with that is when they get out from under the daily care of the Dr. most stop taking the meds.:shrug:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I can't take it.

[deacon]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I can't take it.

There have been numerous cases of that. The only way to stop it is with a guilty but mentally ill verdict that is avaiable in some states. THEN they must stay in a mental facility until they are declared sane and then go to jail.:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

From what I know there are many kinds of mental illness. Treatable are depression,obsessive-compulsive,manic depressive and psychosises such as Schizophrenia. A small percentage of the above is violent but most of them are not. The problem is most of these drugs have such terrible side affects or no longer are effective after a certain period of time and the patient stops taking the meds and is sick again. But while on meds these patients have controlled thinking and know right from wrong. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain. The meds for OCD and Manic-Depressive(bipolar) are becoming very successful now a days. Some for depression are good but many have bad side effects.

The other mental illnesses cannot be fixed with medicine such as sociopaths. Now the thinking is sociopaths know right from wrong on meds or not. They have no guilt or morals to speak of. No one knows if they are born that way or if it is the way they are raised or both. serial killers fit into this category.

I firmly believe Caylee was murdered because of Casey's rage. Her thoughts were clearly organized and she knew right from wrong. I say DP and I hate DP but this is how I feel IMO...............sara

[lorettalockhorn]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LORETTA!!!!!

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Sorry, Nawny loves chocolate tee hee..

No apologies necessary, FLOVE me some chocolate too! Yes, those are my teeth marks on the semi-sweet baking chocolate in the cabinet. :hat:

THANKS!! :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Indeed :) Deluxe indeed. We love to support those sickies here while the homeless innocents die in alcoves in the dark city back streets. Aren't we nice? :cuss: What's wrong with that picture?
I say we make them insanes crawl over glass for a cup of warm dirty water daily. :mad: Including Casey Anthony. 1) Screw her and her 2) pork rinds and 3) eye liner.

Three of Casey's favorite things.

[lorettalockhorn]

"HAPPY BIRTHDAY LORETTA!!!!!"

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Hope it was WONDERFUL, Loretta, just like YOU!!!

Thanks Sammy! Pink is just about my fave color! It was pretty low key; in '03 I gave my birthday to my nieces and nephews. We cook out and eat and swim. Sort of a family reunion.

[lorettalockhorn]

From what I know there are many kinds of mental illness. Treatable are depression,obsessive-compulsive,manic depressive and psychosises such as Schizophrenia. A small percentage of the above is violent but most of them are not. The problem is most of these drugs have such terrible side affects or no longer are effective after a certain period of time and the patient stops taking the meds and is sick again. But while on meds these patients have controlled thinking and know right from wrong. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain. The meds for OCD and Manic-Depressive(bipolar) are becoming very successful now a days. Some for depression are good but many have bad side effects.

The other mental illnesses cannot be fixed with medicine such as sociopaths. Now the thinking is sociopaths know right from wrong on meds or not. They have no guilt or morals to speak of. No one knows if they are born that way or if it is the way they are raised or both. serial killers fit into this category.

I firmly believe Caylee was murdered because of Casey's rage. Her thoughts were clearly organized and she knew right from wrong. I say DP and I hate DP but this is how I feel IMO...............sara

Yes'm. Amen. Ditto.

[BeastofBears]

No apologies necessary, FLOVE me some chocolate too! Yes, those are my teeth marks on the semi-sweet baking chocolate in the cabinet. :hat:

THANKS!! :tongue:

Oh, yes, Loretta, happy belated birthday!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks BoB! :seeya:

Watching NG and her special Cindy Show isn't on AGAIN! :cuss: It's all Mikey, Mikey, Mikey. But I had a thought about how the State of Florida can pay for the Anthony trial: hold it in a large auditorium or sports arena, have a lottery for admission, and charge a cover fee! They could sell T shirts too. Like Liar Palooza '09 (or '10 or '11 or whenever). OS, can you photoshop that for us? :hat:

[SaraSidle]

Thanks BoB! :seeya:

Watching NG and her special Cindy Show isn't on AGAIN! :cuss: It's all Mikey, Mikey, Mikey. But I had a thought about how the State of Florida can pay for the Anthony trial: hold it in a large auditorium or sports arena, have a lottery for admission, and charge a cover fee! They could sell T shirts too. Like Liar Palooza '09 (or '10 or '11 or whenever). OS, can you photoshop that for us? :hat:

You know I think he was very very talented but sooner or later we have to stop and show some news somewhere. Way too much........sara

[lighthousedazy]

You know I think he was very very talented but sooner or later we have to stop and show some news somewhere. Way too much........saraI agree. He was extremely talented and I am sorry for his loss, but there is other news, such as the violence in China where hundreds have lost their lives, etc. Fox is covering a little of other news. A journalist on CNN the other day said this extreme coverage was the case when Elvis died, but I don't think it was quite as extensive. Sad in both cases that drugs (prescription) were probably involved. Just my opinion, but I don't think the doctors should be 100% responsible for this either. :(

[Nawny]

From what I know there are many kinds of mental illness. Treatable are depression,obsessive-compulsive,manic depressive and psychosises such as Schizophrenia. A small percentage of the above is violent but most of them are not. The problem is most of these drugs have such terrible side affects or no longer are effective after a certain period of time and the patient stops taking the meds and is sick again. But while on meds these patients have controlled thinking and know right from wrong. It is a chemical imbalance in the brain. The meds for OCD and Manic-Depressive(bipolar) are becoming very successful now a days. Some for depression are good but many have bad side effects.

The other mental illnesses cannot be fixed with medicine such as sociopaths. Now the thinking is sociopaths know right from wrong on meds or not. They have no guilt or morals to speak of. No one knows if they are born that way or if it is the way they are raised or both. serial killers fit into this category.

I firmly believe Caylee was murdered because of Casey's rage. Her thoughts were clearly organized and she knew right from wrong. I say DP and I hate DP but this is how I feel IMO...............sara


Good information Sara. Thank you.

From what I've read about socio's you're right on about them not knowing exactly why they get that way. It's like they have no soul. As for anti depressants, I am seeing that it seems to be the latest craze among prescribing physicians. There is a lot of news about them and some doctors (mostly foreign) are on a campaign to stop doctors from prescribing them needlessly. Now days you can tell the doctor you have a splinter in your toe and he'll prescribe Zoloft!

I don't understand why they can't do some blood work or find a way to prove you are suffering from serotonin deficiency before they prescribe an antidepressant. SO many people are on them and stay on them for years. Lately they are prescribing more than one. They're giving people these cocktails along with an anti anxiety med like Klonopin or xanax. It's debilitating in my opinion. In Europe they refuse to prescribe anti depressants for more than 6 months. Makes sense. Personally, I'd rather go with herbs. They've been using Saint Johns Wort for hundreds of years and it works fine. Ask me.

My cousin is on a different one every few months and she's still depressed! Now she's on 4 meds. 2 antidepressants, klonopin and an ADD med. She's a mess.

When I talk with her it is so clear to me that all she needs is a little talk therapy. She needs to polish up her coping skills. We all have stress and we all cope differently but sometimes we need to pick up a few tips and tools and use them to cope. OF course there are crisis situations that might make you need a little pharmacological help temporarily. The truth is, these meds only address the symptoms. The base problem doesn't go away. We have no choice but to cope.

IF a socio cannot be helped with meds and they go round killing people, they should employ the DP. Absolutely!

[Nawny]

No apologies necessary, FLOVE me some chocolate too! Yes, those are my teeth marks on the semi-sweet baking chocolate in the cabinet. :hat:

THANKS!! :tongue:

Laughing :) Teeth marks, well lemme tell ya, you got me on potato chips! LMAO!!!

[Nawny]

I agree. He was extremely talented and I am sorry for his loss, but there is other news, such as the violence in China where hundreds have lost their lives, etc. Fox is covering a little of other news. A journalist on CNN the other day said this extreme coverage was the case when Elvis died, but I don't think it was quite as extensive. Sad in both cases that drugs (prescription) were probably involved. Just my opinion, but I don't think the doctors should be 100% responsible for this either. :(

I agree LHD! There is only one person who can put a pill in his mouth and swallow it. I'm real tired of these entertainers blaming people, places of things. Hello?! How old are you Michael? Sure it's not good that the Dr's feed the addictions in their patints, but no SOB could make me an addict. I'd have to swallow the pill myself aye?

If I were to try drugs, which I've never done, it would be LSD actually. I've always wondered what that would be like. Seriously. I want to come back in my next life as a hippy. But I'll probably come back with the recipe for meatballs tattooed on the soles of my feet.

Who needs drugs, nawny was born high. ;)
:beer:

[DrewBerry]

I agree LHD! There is only one person who can put a pill in his mouth and swallow it. I'm real tired of these entertainers blaming people, places of things. Hello?! How old are you Michael? Sure it's not good that the Dr's feed the addictions in their patints, but no SOB could make me an addict. I'd have to swallow the pill myself aye?

If I were to try drugs, which I've never done, it would be LSD actually. I've always wondered what that would be like. Seriously. I want to come back in my next life as a hippy. But I'll probably come back with the recipe for meatballs tattooed on the soles of my feet.

Who needs drugs, nawny was born high. ;)
:beer:

Hey Nawny! :beer:You crack me up! I tried but failed to fit into the hippy group when I was growing up just because I wouldn't participate in drug use. Oh, well. Now I'm just an aging baby-boomer.

Hopefully, things will ease up after MJ's memorial tomorrow.
I want some CA news. Something should be covered next week with the 1 yr. anniversary of the "call."
DrewB

[BeastofBears]

Hey Nawny! :beer:You crack me up! I tried but failed to fit into the hippy group when I was growing up just because I wouldn't participate in drug use. Oh, well. Now I'm just an aging baby-boomer.

Hopefully, things will ease up after MJ's memorial tomorrow.
I want some CA news. Something should be covered next week with the 1 yr. anniversary of the "call."
DrewB

Funny! I hung with the goths...most they did was have me tattoo them with india ink and razor blades. Talk about misspent youth...No "bella vita" among gothage, btw:tongue:

[Marian Paroo]

Funny! I hung with the goths...most they did was have me tattoo them with india ink and razor blades. Talk about misspent youth...No "bella vita" among gothage, btw:tongue:

I've always thought that at the end of the day most Goths were less of a problem, for want of a better word, than the great looking crowd at HS.

[deacon]

Good information Sara. Thank you.

From what I've read about socio's you're right on about them not knowing exactly why they get that way. It's like they have no soul. As for anti depressants, I am seeing that it seems to be the latest craze among prescribing physicians. There is a lot of news about them and some doctors (mostly foreign) are on a campaign to stop doctors from prescribing them needlessly. Now days you can tell the doctor you have a splinter in your toe and he'll prescribe Zoloft!

I don't understand why they can't do some blood work or find a way to prove you are suffering from serotonin deficiency before they prescribe an antidepressant. SO many people are on them and stay on them for years. Lately they are prescribing more than one. They're giving people these cocktails along with an anti anxiety med like Klonopin or xanax. It's debilitating in my opinion. In Europe they refuse to prescribe anti depressants for more than 6 months. Makes sense. Personally, I'd rather go with herbs. They've been using Saint Johns Wort for hundreds of years and it works fine. Ask me.

My cousin is on a different one every few months and she's still depressed! Now she's on 4 meds. 2 antidepressants, klonopin and an ADD med. She's a mess.

When I talk with her it is so clear to me that all she needs is a little talk therapy. She needs to polish up her coping skills. We all have stress and we all cope differently but sometimes we need to pick up a few tips and tools and use them to cope. OF course there are crisis situations that might make you need a little pharmacological help temporarily. The truth is, these meds only address the symptoms. The base problem doesn't go away. We have no choice but to cope.
IF a socio cannot be helped with meds and they go round killing people, they should employ the DP. Absolutely!

We don't teach people to cope anymore. We teach them to swallow pills. A better life through chemistry. Not really but we think so. It is the easy way out. Or so we think. The "easy" way is not always the correct way or the way that is best for us.

[samanthajane13]

"A journalist on CNN the other day said this extreme coverage was the case when Elvis died, but I don't think it was quite as extensive."

Of course not!

I was a teen when Elvis died, and we have ONE thing now that we didn't have back then.

The INTERNET! And add cell-phones, Twitter, blogging, etc, and the news is circling the Earth at near-light-speed.

Back then, we had to rely on TV, radio and newspapers for the news, and nobody back then had instant access to ALL the newspapers, TV stations, etc, like we do now.

We had network TV stations and a very basic cable TV format in it's infancy.

[samanthajane13]

"I agree LHD! There is only one person who can put a pill in his mouth and swallow it. I'm real tired of these entertainers blaming people, places of things."

That's all well and good for PILLS, but doctors were seen taking IV equipment in and out of the house.

I'm sure MJ wasn't trained in phlebotomy or nursing in order to use an IV himself.

I think whoever was administering these drugs should be charged with murder, along with the prescriber.

He didn't get this crap off a street corner.

And I'm not even a big fan. There were songs of his that I liked, but I didn't follow his music religiously.

I just think it's wrong that he-or ANYONE-has their life snuffed out this way.

[deacon]

"I agree LHD! There is only one person who can put a pill in his mouth and swallow it. I'm real tired of these entertainers blaming people, places of things."

That's all well and good for PILLS, but doctors were seen taking IV equipment in and out of the house.

I'm sure MJ wasn't trained in phlebotomy or nursing in order to use an IV himself.

I think whoever was administering these drugs should be charged with murder, along with the prescriber.
He didn't get this crap off a street corner.

And I'm not even a big fan. There were songs of his that I liked, but I didn't follow his music religiously.

I just think it's wrong that he-or ANYONE-has their life snuffed out this way.

They could have always said "no". It is a really easy word to form. A simple "no" would stop so many deaths in these type of people. You know, the ones we put on a pedestal and seem to treat like they can do no wrong. Actors, musicians, professional atheletes those type of people There are a multitude of "prescription" drugs that are abused every day by people like this and by normal citizens and this has to stop. It is just a wrong to give a prescription to a person who is not in need of these drugs as it is to sell crack or meth on the street corner. They are both drug pushers just one hides behind a degree and the law.

[samanthajane13]

Exactly, Deacon!!!

[jas72]

They could have always said "no". It is a really easy word to form. A simple "no" would stop so many deaths in these type of people. You know, the ones we put on a pedestal and seem to treat like they can do no wrong. Actors, musicians, professional atheletes those type of people There are a multitude of "prescription" drugs that are abused every day by people like this and by normal citizens and this has to stop. It is just a wrong to give a prescription to a person who is not in need of these drugs as it is to sell crack or meth on the street corner. They are both drug pushers just one hides behind a degree and the law.

I think that many of these doctors are star-struck just like many other people. I think it's an ego trip to be able to say that they are the personal physician of so-and-so movie star, athlete, or whomever is famous. Many of them are paid well beyond their normal fee to be at the beck and call of these celebrities. Let's face it, they're on the gravy train and they don't want to be kicked off. If they do say "no", they're dismissed and the celeb will keep searching until they do find someone to give in to their demands. Doctors are intelligent people when it comes to medicine, but they're also still just folks who can't resist the temptation of big bucks and rubbing elbows with celebs.

[samanthajane13]

You've got that right, Deacon.

Nobody wants to be booted from the Inner Circle, so they'll do whatever it takes to please the one paying the BIG BUCKS.

[lorettalockhorn]

Good information Sara. Thank you.

From what I've read about socio's you're right on about them not knowing exactly why they get that way. It's like they have no soul. As for anti depressants, I am seeing that it seems to be the latest craze among prescribing physicians. There is a lot of news about them and some doctors (mostly foreign) are on a campaign to stop doctors from prescribing them needlessly. Now days you can tell the doctor you have a splinter in your toe and he'll prescribe Zoloft!

I don't understand why they can't do some blood work or find a way to prove you are suffering from serotonin deficiency before they prescribe an antidepressant. SO many people are on them and stay on them for years. Lately they are prescribing more than one. They're giving people these cocktails along with an anti anxiety med like Klonopin or xanax. It's debilitating in my opinion. In Europe they refuse to prescribe anti depressants for more than 6 months. Makes sense. Personally, I'd rather go with herbs. They've been using Saint Johns Wort for hundreds of years and it works fine. Ask me.

My cousin is on a different one every few months and she's still depressed! Now she's on 4 meds. 2 antidepressants, klonopin and an ADD med. She's a mess.

When I talk with her it is so clear to me that all she needs is a little talk therapy. She needs to polish up her coping skills. We all have stress and we all cope differently but sometimes we need to pick up a few tips and tools and use them to cope. OF course there are crisis situations that might make you need a little pharmacological help temporarily. The truth is, these meds only address the symptoms. The base problem doesn't go away. We have no choice but to cope.

IF a socio cannot be helped with meds and they go round killing people, they should employ the DP. Absolutely!

Agree about the talk therapy. That is what changes thought patterns, the meds only change the reaction to the thought patterns.

[BeastofBears]

I've always thought that at the end of the day most Goths were less of a problem, for want of a better word, than the great looking crowd at HS.

Thank you! hence my choice of friends. They were far more interesting, too, than the "popular kids"...or the Casey-like ones! Interesting that there is a higher percentage of college grads among my goth friends than the other groups...

[lorettalockhorn]

Laughing :) Teeth marks, well lemme tell ya, you got me on potato chips! LMAO!!!

If you ever get disgusted about how many PCs you eat, grab a bag of Cheetos to console yourself!

[lorettalockhorn]

"A journalist on CNN the other day said this extreme coverage was the case when Elvis died, but I don't think it was quite as extensive."

Of course not!

I was a teen when Elvis died, and we have ONE thing now that we didn't have back then.

The INTERNET! And add cell-phones, Twitter, blogging, etc, and the news is circling the Earth at near-light-speed.

Back then, we had to rely on TV, radio and newspapers for the news, and nobody back then had instant access to ALL the newspapers, TV stations, etc, like we do now.

We had network TV stations and a very basic cable TV format in it's infancy.

Technology has created a buncha babbling & blogging bloviates!

[BeastofBears]

Agree about the talk therapy. That is what changes thought patterns, the meds only change the reaction to the thought patterns.

Did you ever see the Bob Newhart "stop it!" skit from MadTV? Best ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

[lorettalockhorn]

They could have always said "no". It is a really easy word to form. A simple "no" would stop so many deaths in these type of people. You know, the ones we put on a pedestal and seem to treat like they can do no wrong. Actors, musicians, professional atheletes those type of people There are a multitude of "prescription" drugs that are abused every day by people like this and by normal citizens and this has to stop. It is just a wrong to give a prescription to a person who is not in need of these drugs as it is to sell crack or meth on the street corner. They are both drug pushers just one hides behind a degree and the law.

ITA. And if Jackson died due to Diprivan usage, that is just beyond the pale. I think there was information on HLN that the Jackson family had attempted an intervention, but (obviously) it was not successful, and I wonder how serious they were. Obviously not enough to have him committed. These docs who succumb to the whims of the rich and famous need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The drug problem in this country/world isn't bad enough that now enablers are the most trusted with regard to health? Hang 'em high.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did you ever see the Bob Newhart "stop it!" skit from MadTV? Best ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

HAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!! I'd never seen that before! :hat:

Love it when Bob Newhart comes out of his Milquetoast persona. :hat:

[JLette]

Good information Sara. Thank you.

From what I've read about socio's you're right on about them not knowing exactly why they get that way. It's like they have no soul. As for anti depressants, I am seeing that it seems to be the latest craze among prescribing physicians. There is a lot of news about them and some doctors (mostly foreign) are on a campaign to stop doctors from prescribing them needlessly. Now days you can tell the doctor you have a splinter in your toe and he'll prescribe Zoloft!

I don't understand why they can't do some blood work or find a way to prove you are suffering from serotonin deficiency before they prescribe an antidepressant. SO many people are on them and stay on them for years. Lately they are prescribing more than one. They're giving people these cocktails along with an anti anxiety med like Klonopin or xanax. It's debilitating in my opinion. In Europe they refuse to prescribe anti depressants for more than 6 months. Makes sense. Personally, I'd rather go with herbs. They've been using Saint Johns Wort for hundreds of years and it works fine. Ask me.

My cousin is on a different one every few months and she's still depressed! Now she's on 4 meds. 2 antidepressants, klonopin and an ADD med. She's a mess.

When I talk with her it is so clear to me that all she needs is a little talk therapy. She needs to polish up her coping skills. We all have stress and we all cope differently but sometimes we need to pick up a few tips and tools and use them to cope. OF course there are crisis situations that might make you need a little pharmacological help temporarily. The truth is, these meds only address the symptoms. The base problem doesn't go away. We have no choice but to cope.

IF a socio cannot be helped with meds and they go round killing people, they should employ the DP. Absolutely!

that is so funny nawny, my hubby and i were just last night talking about this same thing. i saw a commercial for yet ANOTHER new anti depressant on TV (which is also wrong IMO) and my hubby said depression is not something that can be helped with a pill. depression is something that in order to fix it you need to change something about your life. have you noticed that in the past 5 years everyone and their mother are bipolar? its become almost comical, everyone thinks that they are crazy and everyone wants a pill a take it seems

[BeastofBears]

that is so funny nawny, my hubby and i were just last night talking about this same thing. i saw a commercial for yet ANOTHER new anti depressant on TV (which is also wrong IMO) and my hubby said depression is not something that can be helped with a pill. depression is something that in order to fix it you need to change something about your life. have you noticed that in the past 5 years everyone and their mother are bipolar? its become almost comical, everyone thinks that they are crazy and everyone wants a pill a take it seems

Its crazy. If we're all so depressed our culture should just give up now. Sad thing is, it trivializes people who really do have a neurochemical condition and need the help.

We should all just...stop it!:hat:

[deacon]

Its crazy. If we're all so depressed our culture should just give up now. Sad thing is, it trivializes people who really do have a neurochemical condition and need the help.

We should all just...stop it!:hat:

What they prescribe now does not seem to help the neurochemical condition like meds normally help a physical condition. They just hide the symptoms. Treating the sysmptoms is not the answer treat the problem that is causing the condition. "Feel good" meds do not help but that is the answer because they develop a dependancy on those meds which lead to other meds which lead to other meds, none of which fix the problem only make Drs money writing prescriptions.

Some of the people who get these meds are not really sick they just have not been taught to face reality. My parents taught me how to face reality. Not what I want to be my reality but what is reality. In my life the reality that I wanted was to be a professional baseball player. The reality was, I was not good enough. That reality disappointed me but never depressed me because I was taught to deal with it at a young age. When parents live off of 125% of their income to buy kids the latest toys and never say "no" they are not teaching reality. They are setting these kids up to fail in life because the "cold cruel" world will tell them no. Then they do not know how to deal with anything that they do not like. Then the meds start.

A better life through chemistry.:no:

[JLette]

What they prescribe now does not seem to help the neurochemical condition like meds normally help a physical condition. They just hide the symptoms. Treating the sysmptoms is not the answer treat the problem that is causing the condition. "Feel good" meds do not help but that is the answer because they develop a dependancy on those meds which lead to other meds which lead to other meds, none of which fix the problem only make Drs money writing prescriptions.

Some of the people who get these meds are not really sick they just have not been taught to face reality. My parents taught me how to face reality. Not what I want to be my reality but what is reality. In my life the reality that I wanted was to be a professional baseball player. The reality was, I was not good enough. That reality disappointed me but never depressed me because I was taught to deal with it at a young age. When parents live off of 125% of their income to buy kids the latest toys and never say "no" they are not teaching reality. They are setting these kids up to fail in life because the "cold cruel" world will tell them no. Then they do not know how to deal with anything that they do not like. Then the meds start.

A better life through chemistry.:no:


ITA kids need to learn about disappointment at some point. my son has a lot of stuff, he is probably spoiled by some standards, but when we are at a store and he wants something and we don't have the money or i just don't think he needs it i tell him " no honey, you don't need that" or " no we don't have the money for that"

i hate disappointing him but i know that if he gets whatever he wants he is going to grow up to be just like every other cry baby in the world.

[deacon]

ITA kids need to learn about disappointment at some point. my son has a lot of stuff, he is probably spoiled by some standards, but when we are at a store and he wants something and we don't have the money or i just don't think he needs it i tell him " no honey, you don't need that" or " no we don't have the money for that"
i hate disappointing him but i know that if he gets whatever he wants he is going to grow up to be just like every other cry baby in the world.

My son is 24, almost 25 and I still have to remind him the difference between a "want" and a "need". There is a big difference.

[samanthajane13]

"When parents live off of 125% of their income to buy kids the latest toys and never say "no" they are not teaching reality. They are setting these kids up to fail in life because the "cold cruel" world will tell them no. Then they do not know how to deal with anything that they do not like. Then the meds start.

A better life through chemistry."


A Different World
Bucky Covington

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AlrFOBmdVI


We were born to mothers who smoked and drank
Our cribs were covered in lead based paint
No child proof lids no seat belts in cars
Rode bikes with no helmets and still here we are, still here we are
We got daddy’s belt when we misbehaved
Had three TV channels you got up to change
No video games and no satellite
All we had were friends and they were outside, playin’ outside

Chorus
It was a different life
When we were boys and girls
Not just a different time
It was a different world

School always started the same every day
The pledge of allegiance then someone would pray
Not every kid made the team when they tried
We got disappointed and that was all right, we turned out all right

Chorus

Bridge
No bottled water, we drank from a garden hose
And every Sunday, all the stores were closed

Chorus

Chorus

It was a different world

[SaraSidle]

I agree. He was extremely talented and I am sorry for his loss, but there is other news, such as the violence in China where hundreds have lost their lives, etc. Fox is covering a little of other news. A journalist on CNN the other day said this extreme coverage was the case when Elvis died, but I don't think it was quite as extensive. Sad in both cases that drugs (prescription) were probably involved. Just my opinion, but I don't think the doctors should be 100% responsible for this either. :(

I know these doctors did not force those drugs down the star's throats. I do not like the idea of a surgery drug only being used as a sedative yet I do not know much about the surgery drug. I was traveling out East when Elvis died so I do not remember the coverage at all. But you are right. There are things happening all over the world and yet even today all I see on TV is MJ. maybe if we had just one show dedicated to him a day.... I would almost rather hear Nancy saying "breaking news on missing tot". sara

[SaraSidle]

Did you ever see the Bob Newhart "stop it!" skit from MadTV? Best ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

Bob Newhart is so funny in everything. I love his sense of humor. thanks for the laugh BOB. sara

[deacon]

Bob Newhart is so funny in everything. I love his sense of humor. thanks for the laugh BOB. sara

My favorite is Ron White. "You can't fix stupid."

[SaraSidle]

http://www.wftv.com/news/19979145/detail.html.

Well we knew this was coming. Casey's trial in 2010.

[deacon]

http://www.wftv.com/news/19979145/detail.html.

Well we knew this was coming. Casey's trial in 2010.

I doubt anyone is suprised but the reason given does sort of shock me. One would have to ask one's self, is she a teacher (prof.) or a trial lawyer. I just think that is a very weak excuse for delaying a trial. Or, has her defense been sipping the casey koolaide and think that the world revolves around them?

[BeastofBears]

I doubt anyone is suprised but the reason given does sort of shock me. One would have to ask one's self, is she a teacher (prof.) or a trial lawyer. I just think that is a very weak excuse for delaying a trial. Or, has her defense been sipping the casey koolaide and think that the world revolves around them?

Too bad Casey wasn't really a student: she could have claimed finals!

[deacon]

Too bad Casey wasn't really a student: she could have claimed finals!

If she keeps going she can claim mental stress from having to appear in court fat.:cool:

[Nawny]

We don't teach people to cope anymore. We teach them to swallow pills. A better life through chemistry. Not really but we think so. It is the easy way out. Or so we think. The "easy" way is not always the correct way or the way that is best for us.

I never met an antidepressant that worked :eek:

First one makes you sleep too much. The second one makes you numb. The third one makes you get high blood pressure. The fourth one makes you calm but stupid as a box of rocks. The fifth one makes you think you need more, less, none. The sixth one works for a few weeks and then Poop Out Period. The seventh one makes you think you should take the entire bottle. The eighth one makes you imagine you're awake when you're asleep and the nightmares and daymares make you ask for more milligrams which make the nightmares and the day mares worse. The ninth one makes you not care if the house burned down with you in it. The tenth one makes you lose weight and the eleventh one makes you gain weight and the rest of them are poison. There IS NO MAGIC pill. Just Cope. Unless you are certifiably crazy and need to be pinned to your seat because you are a danger to yourself or others, there is no way anyone should put a pill in their mouths.

Now ask me how I really feel about antidepressants. :cuss:


No disrespect intended. I've seen them all and I'm happy to report I never needed antidepressants to begin with. I figured it out when I was diagnosed with clinical depression while on 100 mg's of Zoloft for over a year. When that happened, they offered me a cocktail of Klonopin, Lexapro and serzone. I guess they were trying legal murder. I threw them in the toilet and saved my own life. A life worth saving, as my weebles need me. :seeya: They are better antidepressants :) I also take St John's Wort.. good clean natural relief from ordinary stress.

I got caught in the rind with western medical pill pushers. Never again! I am here by the grace of God. They almost killed me.

:seeya:

[Nawny]

If you ever get disgusted about how many PCs you eat, grab a bag of Cheetos to console yourself!

HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You stop it Loretta! LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!

[deacon]

I never met an antidepressant that worked :eek:

First one makes you sleep too much. The second one makes you numb. The third one makes you get high blood pressure. The fourth one makes you calm but stupid as a box of rocks. The fifth one makes you think you need more, less, none. The sixth one works for a few weeks and then Poop Out Period. The seventh one makes you think you should take the entire bottle. The eighth one makes you imagine you're awake when you're asleep and the nightmares and daymares make you ask for more milligrams which make the nightmares and the day mares worse. The ninth one makes you not care if the house burned down with you in it. The tenth one makes you lose weight and the eleventh one makes you gain weight and the rest of them are poison. There IS NO MAGIC pill. Just Cope. Unless you are certifiably crazy and need to be pinned to your seat because you are a danger to yourself or others, there is no way anyone should put a pill in their mouths.

Now ask me how I really feel about antidepressants. :cuss:


No disrespect intended. I've seen them all and I'm happy to report I never needed antidepressants to begin with. I figured it out when I was diagnosed with clinical depression while on 100 mg's of Zoloft for over a year. When that happened, they offered me a cocktail of Klonopin, Lexapro and serzone. I guess they were trying legal murder. I threw them in the toilet and saved my own life. A life worth saving, as my weebles need me. :seeya: They are better antidepressants :) I also take St John's Wort.. good clean natural relief from ordinary stress.

I got caught in the rind with western medical pill pushers. Never again! I am here by the grace of God. They almost killed me.

:seeya:

A lady that is direct. Not a bad way to be. I guess I am just blessed with the upbringing and ability to cope with whatever comes my way. Oh, the stress is there but I change the things I can and refuse to worry about the things I can't do anything about.

I guess the closest I ever came to being depressed was about 4years ago. I was the Safety Engineer at a plant in my home town. Part of that job was first response to any accidents/medical emergencies. The morning I hate to remember is the morning that I had to respond to a friend of mine that I had know since the first grade. He had no history of heart problems but had a massive heart attack sitting at a desk reading the paper and complaining about what was in the news. I worked on him for 20 minutes, CPR/AED the whole number. He died anyway. That hurt. If ever I came close to depression that was it. I was in a daze for three weeks until it hit me that he would kick my butt if he were still here. I did everything I could, it was just time I guess. Anyway, all of that to say this. I did it without pills, shots anything but soul searching. My parents taught me how to cope with life's situations.

[Nawny]

Did you ever see the Bob Newhart "stop it!" skit from MadTV? Best ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLMTvxOaeE

ROTFLMAOPMP!!! That was great!! I can't see because the tears are clouding my vision!!! Everyone I know will get that one! Haaa!! :beer:

[Nawny]

A lady that is direct. Not a bad way to be. I guess I am just blessed with the upbringing and ability to cope with whatever comes my way. Oh, the stress is there but I change the things I can and refuse to worry about the things I can't do anything about.

I guess the closest I ever came to being depressed was about 4years ago. I was the Safety Engineer at a plant in my home town. Part of that job was first response to any accidents/medical emergencies. The morning I hate to remember is the morning that I had to respond to a friend of mine that I had know since the first grade. He had no history of heart problems but had a massive heart attack sitting at a desk reading the paper and complaining about what was in the news. I worked on him for 20 minutes, CPR/AED the whole number. He died anyway. That hurt. If ever I came close to depression that was it. I was in a daze for three weeks until it hit me that he would kick my butt if he were still here. I did everything I could, it was just time I guess. Anyway, all of that to say this. I did it without pills, shots anything but soul searching. My parents taught me how to cope with life's situations.


I understand why you felt depressed deacon. That is called "Situational Depression" and the doctors would have been so happy to endow you with their brand of relief. Glad you are of a childhood where coping was natural. I found myself hard pressed to understand why I was prescribed pills to do what had always came natural to me. I had raised four children, worked like a dog, stayed behind the breakdown lane for 40 years and suddenly my life seemed oddly unbearable. I guess it was a culmination of the years and years of stress. I gave the doctors the benefit of the doubt and took the pills. That made things worse.

So we live and learn. I am a very strong person. I have a son on the other side and I gave him the job to be my guardian angel. :rose: If I can survive that, I figure I can survive anything. :) We all have sorrow. We all have damned situational depression. It's true that sometimes those meds work very well for people but more often they are over prescribed.

When poppa sold his business after 35 years, thinking he was ready to be retired, he sunk into a blue mood. His doctor prescribed antidepressants and he was acting weird. I thought he was going through something because his mother has alzheimer's and he was her main contact. We cared for her for 14 years but it was time to place her in a nursing home. It was devastating for him.

After a few months on those meds he was worse. Acting very depressed. Showed no interest in anything. Finally I realized he was not a good candidate for those pills. I told his doctor to get a new day job and threw them away. A week later he was back to his old self. I sent him back to work. lol! One day I said, come with me we are going for a ride. He asked where. I said get in the car, we are going to find you a new office. He asked, For what? I said, for your new business and for your sanity. We talked about it for a while and both agreed that was the solution!

Well, we did find one and later that year his tenant who bought his business got stupid on drugs and he evicted him, so he's back in his own place doing fine.
He opened a new agency and is busy being who he is. (besides the love of my life) He is a great business man. :) He will never retire, it isn't in him to be home with nawny 24/7. He was a pain in the ass.

:hat:

[Nawny]

I know these doctors did not force those drugs down the star's throats. I do not like the idea of a surgery drug only being used as a sedative yet I do not know much about the surgery drug. I was traveling out East when Elvis died so I do not remember the coverage at all. But you are right. There are things happening all over the world and yet even today all I see on TV is MJ. maybe if we had just one show dedicated to him a day.... I would almost rather hear Nancy saying "breaking news on missing tot". sara

True Sara. I was tired of all the MJ stuff in the news but today for brief times, I'd catch a bit of the memorial and each time, I cried like a baby. :shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

True Sara. I was tired of all the MJ stuff in the news but today for brief times, I'd catch a bit of the memorial and each time, I cried like a baby. :shrug:
I know exactly what you mean Nawny. I cried when I saw the little girl saying that he was such a great dad, and I know in her eyes that was so true.

[Nawny]

I know exactly what you mean Nawny. I cried when I saw the little girl saying that he was such a great dad, and I know in her eyes that was so true.

Me too Sara and I know I'm way off topic but, did you notice there was no color barrier? His kids are white. I don't think anyone noticed. I don't know what I think of MJ or that service, but it was something to see.

[beemer]

I know i feel so sorry for the children-Paris broke my heart. At the end of the day it's the children left behind. I hope they continue to do well. :rose:

[BeastofBears]

I know i feel so sorry for the children-Paris broke my heart. At the end of the day it's the children left behind. I hope they continue to do well. :rose:

Such a brave girl, going up there to say something for her dad

[Gatordog]

I don't know if you noticed but in yesterday's chamber hearing with the Defense and the Judge, Judge Strickland ruled that the media will be allowed to come back and argue to permit the sealed video tape of the Liar watching the breaking news report to be openly viewed. That must have put an Alka Selzer or two into Jose's water. Also, Kathi Belich reported that Jose was very quiet in the hearing and that Lyons did most of the talking. Also, it seems they call her Cryin Lyon because of her theatrics during closing arguements. Belchi reported that it might work on Chicago juries, but in Orlando, they won't buy it and it will work against her if she starts in with any waterworks for the Liar.

Gator

[BeastofBears]

I don't know if you noticed but in yesterday's chamber hearing with the Defense and the Judge, Judge Strickland ruled that the media will be allowed to come back and argue to permit the sealed video tape of the Liar watching the breaking news report to be openly viewed. That must have put an Alka Selzer or two into Jose's water. Also, Kathi Belich reported that Jose was very quiet in the hearing and that Lyons did most of the talking. Also, it seems they call her Cryin Lyon because of her theatrics during closing arguements. Belchi reported that it might work on Chicago juries, but in Orlando, they won't buy it and it will work against her if she starts in with any waterworks for the Liar.

Gator

I read that...do you agree with Belich on the waterworks in Orlando?

[deacon]

I don't know if you noticed but in yesterday's chamber hearing with the Defense and the Judge, Judge Strickland ruled that the media will be allowed to come back and argue to permit the sealed video tape of the Liar watching the breaking news report to be openly viewed. That must have put an Alka Selzer or two into Jose's water. Also, Kathi Belich reported that Jose was very quiet in the hearing and that Lyons did most of the talking. Also, it seems they call her Cryin Lyon because of her theatrics during closing arguements. Belchi reported that it might work on Chicago juries, but in Orlando, they won't buy it and it will work against her if she starts in with any waterworks for the Liar.

Gator

And a good time was had by all. I guess he should buy stock in an antacid company before this is over. I think a better name for her would be lyin' cryin'.

[beemer]

I read that...do you agree with Belich on the waterworks in Orlando?

I know if i was a juror it would make me beyond :flamemad: Only tears should be for Caylee :rose:

[One2Snoop]

Anthony Trial Delayed Until At Least 2010
Judge Rules To Allow News Outlets To Argue For Anthony Jail Video

POSTED: 11:48 am EDT July 7, 2009
UPDATED: 1:18 pm EDT July 7, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Oct. 12 trial date for Casey Anthony has been canceled.

A status hearing on when the trial will go forward is scheduled for Jan. 21.

In other news in the case, the judge in the case against Casey Anthony Tuesday ruled he will allow news organizations to argue against sealing a video made of Anthony in jail.

Casey Anthony, 23, is in the Orange County Jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

Local news organizations argue that the video is a public document and should be released along with hundreds of other items of evidence in the case.

Anthony's defense team has argued that the video's release could poison the pool of potential jurors.

The video reportedly shows Anthony's strong emotional reaction to news coverage of a child's remains found near the Anthony home..

http://www.wesh.com/news/19979715/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

INTERVIEW: Analyst Bill Sheaffer On Casey Trial Date Change

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked about Casey's murder trial date being changed. (07/07/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/19983221/index.html

[One2Snoop]

WDBO Local News
Casey Anthony's ex-boyfriend hires lawyer
By
Drew Petrimoulx
@ July 6, 2009 2:26 PM

The man who was Casey Anthony's boyfriend at the time of her arrest has hired a lawyer.

Tony Lazzaro(pictured) told investigators he met Casey on the social networking website Facebook.com and that she regularly stayed at his apartment in the weeks leading up to her arrest.

Attorney William R. Jay tells WDBO that he's been told by lawyers for Zenaida Gonzales that Lazarro will soon be deposed in Casey's civil case - though nothing had been filed in court as of Monday.

Lazzaro was previously deposed by lawyers for Casey in her criminal case, and Jay said he expects his client to again by questioned in that case "now that they have a death penalty qualified lawyer" - referring to the addition of Dr. Andrea Lyon to the defense team.

Jay said he will represent Lazzaro in both cases.

We're also awaiting word from the judge on Casey fraud case. She accused of stealing money and checks from her friend Amy Huizenga.

Casey's lawyers want to stave off that case until her capital murder trail is completed, but state's attorneys have asked that it be held within two months.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/07/casey-anthonys-exboyfriend-hir.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Such a brave girl, going up there to say something for her dad

It was almost a jolt to hear one of MJ's children say the word Daddy after all these years. Thank God (whoever) allowed the little ones to have a part in expressing their grief.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know if you noticed but in yesterday's chamber hearing with the Defense and the Judge, Judge Strickland ruled that the media will be allowed to come back and argue to permit the sealed video tape of the Liar watching the breaking news report to be openly viewed. That must have put an Alka Selzer or two into Jose's water. Also, Kathi Belich reported that Jose was very quiet in the hearing and that Lyons did most of the talking. Also, it seems they call her Cryin Lyon because of her theatrics during closing arguements. Belchi reported that it might work on Chicago juries, but in Orlando, they won't buy it and it will work against her if she starts in with any waterworks for the Liar.

Gator

I've read that the prosecution in at least one case has filed a motion re: Lyon's crying. If there's any crying going on, it needs to be for Caylee. Not Casey.

[lorettalockhorn]

I know if i was a juror it would make me beyond :flamemad: Only tears should be for Caylee :rose:

Agree Beemy. With apparently no one but The State of Florida and a bunch of strangers seeking justice for Caylee, it would be disgusting to see the DP attorney trying to evoke sympathy for a convicted murderess by using theatrics.

[lorettalockhorn]

From the news update thread:

Also during Tuesday's conference the defense told the judge it has no objection to investigators photographing Casey's tattoo, as long as a defense representative is present. The tattoo reads, "La Vita Bella", which means "the beautiful life," in Italian. Casey got the tattoo on her back after Caylee disappeared. It is unclear why investigators want the pictures.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19979145/detail.html

Just think. That tattoo used to read La Vita Bella. Now it reads L a V i t a B e l l a.

[deacon]

WDBO Local News
Casey Anthony's ex-boyfriend hires lawyer
By
Drew Petrimoulx
@ July 6, 2009 2:26 PM

The man who was Casey Anthony's boyfriend at the time of her arrest has hired a lawyer.

Tony Lazzaro(pictured) told investigators he met Casey on the social networking website Facebook.com and that she regularly stayed at his apartment in the weeks leading up to her arrest.

Attorney William R. Jay tells WDBO that he's been told by lawyers for Zenaida Gonzales that Lazarro will soon be deposed in Casey's civil case - though nothing had been filed in court as of Monday.

Lazzaro was previously deposed by lawyers for Casey in her criminal case, and Jay said he expects his client to again by questioned in that case "now that they have a death penalty qualified lawyer" - referring to the addition of Dr. Andrea Lyon to the defense team.

Jay said he will represent Lazzaro in both cases.

We're also awaiting word from the judge on Casey fraud case. She accused of stealing money and checks from her friend Amy Huizenga.

Casey's lawyers want to stave off that case until her capital murder trail is completed, but state's attorneys have asked that it be held within two months.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/07/casey-anthonys-exboyfriend-hir.html

Business for lawyers in that area is looking up. Everyone but the dog has a lawyer.

[lorettalockhorn]

Business for lawyers in that area is looking up. Everyone but the dog has a lawyer.

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!

Dog hires attorney in Florida case!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6o66q.jpg
HELP!!

[SaraSidle]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!

Dog hires attorney in Florida case!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6o66q.jpg
HELP!!

LOL Loretta. You are too funny.

I cannot believe Lyons is crying. this is going to be such a dramatic ordeal. IMO sara

[deacon]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!

Dog hires attorney in Florida case!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6o66q.jpg
HELP!!

Dang, now the dog has one. No lawyers left. I guess the cat is in trouble

[lorettalockhorn]

Surely to goodness a cattorney will represent The Finger Family Feline For no Fee. Not sure what's up with the dog; at least Cindy took him from the home. It was the cat(s) who was left behind. ;)

[deacon]

Surely to goodness a cattorney will represent The Finger Family Feline For no Fee. Not sure what's up with the dog; at least Cindy took him from the home. It was the cat(s) who was left behind. ;)

I'm with the cats. They probably enjoyed the vacation away from those people making anassofthemselvesonthething.

[beemer]

From the news update thread:

Also during Tuesday's conference the defense told the judge it has no objection to investigators photographing Casey's tattoo, as long as a defense representative is present. The tattoo reads, "La Vita Bella", which means "the beautiful life," in Italian. Casey got the tattoo on her back after Caylee disappeared. It is unclear why investigators want the pictures.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19979145/detail.html

Just think. That tattoo used to read La Vita Bella. Now it reads L a V i t a B e l l a.

Haaaaaaa Pretty soon the screen wont be big enough :beer:

[Nawny]

THere are so many lies in this case that it will be like untangling a hundred pound ball of string to get any semblance of truth. No wonder it is taking so long to get their acts together. Jose will be working a lot of overtime for the bubble-head. This delay in justice for Caylee is sickening. I'm so aggravated about this delay! Grrr. The three stooges could have made more sense of this defense.

What part of ***the stuff in the bags with Caylee came from the A's house.. and she didn't report her missing for a month and under pressure, at that...*** doesn't the defense team understand?

There is no defense. Also there is no Caylee. The longer this trial is delayed, the less chance the defense has of making any statement worth a damn. Time clouds a lot, but it won't cloud her guilt. IMO She's going to get more pork rinds and completely forget why she's in jail. Maybe they want more time to get the public off the heat of the moment. Maybe Jose wants a dumb to the facts, jury? Is this delay deliberate? Strategy?

[deacon]

THere are so many lies in this case that it will be like untangling a hundred pound ball of string to get any semblance of truth. No wonder it is taking so long to get their acts together. Jose will be working a lot of overtime for the bubble-head. This delay in justice for Caylee is sickening. I'm so aggravated about this delay! Grrr. The three stooges could have made more sense of this defense.

What part of ***the stuff in the bags with Caylee came from the A's house.. and she didn't report her missing for a month and under pressure, at that...*** doesn't the defense team understand?

There is no defense. Also there is no Caylee. The longer this trial is delayed, the less chance the defense has of making any statement worth a damn. Time clouds a lot, but it won't cloud her guilt. IMO She's going to get more pork rinds and completely forget why she's in jail. Maybe they want more time to get the public off the heat of the moment. Maybe Jose wants a dumb to the facts, jury? Is this delay deliberate? Strategy?

Of course it is. I really don't think it will work but it would be the only chance they may have. I wonder though, how long it will be allowed to go on. I would think long enough to help squelch the appeals saying they were not given enough time to prepare.

[JLette]

From the news update thread:

Also during Tuesday's conference the defense told the judge it has no objection to investigators photographing Casey's tattoo, as long as a defense representative is present. The tattoo reads, "La Vita Bella", which means "the beautiful life," in Italian. Casey got the tattoo on her back after Caylee disappeared. It is unclear why investigators want the pictures.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19979145/detail.html

Just think. That tattoo used to read La Vita Bella. Now it reads L a V i t a B e l l a.

i was thinking about that and maybe it has something to do with the fraud trial? because she got the tattoo on July 2nd or sometime near there, when she OBVIOUSLY had no money that wasn't stolen, so maybe they are putting together a display of the things she bought with stolen money? and then of course they can use the same pics of the tattoo in the criminal trial later on down the road. JMO

[Nawny]

i was thinking about that and maybe it has something to do with the fraud trial? because she got the tattoo on July 2nd or sometime near there, when she OBVIOUSLY had no money that wasn't stolen, so maybe they are putting together a display of the things she bought with stolen money? and then of course they can use the same pics of the tattoo in the criminal trial later on down the road. JMO

Hmmm, good point. That tattoo was a stupid move on her part. Not that she's a Harvard grad or anything but her mental status was screaming after Caylee went missing. It seems like she blocked out the fact that her child was ever alive. I'm wondering still, why she had counted the 31 days and more than that, I am wondering why that is the only truth she told. Is it the truth? Did they ever figure out "time of death?"

I'm thinking of my own theory again. Since the defense has no case, I still say they will claim the grinch drove her to lose her mind. The mental/emotional abuse excuse. IMO that's all they have. IMO.

[browneyes106]

I do wonder how much that tattoo costed. I think it was said she stole about $700 from Amy. Tattoos are bit expensive. I also remember Casey tried to pay a cell phone bill that was $300 with Amy's bank account but there wasn't any money. I agree with other posters the prosecution wants to put together a list and display of items bought with the stolen money and in the murder trial it will be brought up.

I also really wonder how Casey was going to explain the stolen to Amy or she planning to have Cindy pay back Amy. I think Amy needs justice and I hope the check fraud/theft trial happens soon.

[beemer]

I do wonder how much that tattoo costed. I think it was said she stole about $700 from Amy. Tattoos are bit expensive. I also remember Casey tried to pay a cell phone bill that was $300 with Amy's bank account but there wasn't any money. I agree with other posters the prosecution wants to put together a list and display of items bought with the stolen money and in the murder trial it will be brought up.

I also really wonder how Casey was going to explain the stolen to Amy or she planning to have Cindy pay back Amy. I think Amy needs justice and I hope the check fraud/theft trial happens soon.
Yes tattoo's are not cheap-unless Liar had it done on trade :eek: More stolen monies in her pocket. She prolly would have blamed Zanny ;) I hope the video of her shopping in Target comes up-I mean that is just beyond belief that she was just following the script. If i was a juror and this not a child murder case I know i would be in such hysterics from laughter I'd be kicked off the jury.

[SaraSidle]

THere are so many lies in this case that it will be like untangling a hundred pound ball of string to get any semblance of truth. No wonder it is taking so long to get their acts together. Jose will be working a lot of overtime for the bubble-head. This delay in justice for Caylee is sickening. I'm so aggravated about this delay! Grrr. The three stooges could have made more sense of this defense.

What part of ***the stuff in the bags with Caylee came from the A's house.. and she didn't report her missing for a month and under pressure, at that...*** doesn't the defense team understand?

There is no defense. Also there is no Caylee. The longer this trial is delayed, the less chance the defense has of making any statement worth a damn. Time clouds a lot, but it won't cloud her guilt. IMO She's going to get more pork rinds and completely forget why she's in jail. Maybe they want more time to get the public off the heat of the moment. Maybe Jose wants a dumb to the facts, jury? Is this delay deliberate? Strategy?

I wonder how long it is going to take Lyons and Baez to learn to work together. I also wonder if this stalling is to cloud time as you said. I mean we cannot possibly find anymore evidence. Maybe a witness will forget or change their story but we have evidence if that happens. We have lots of evidence. Maybe they are trying to find out if Cindy and George and Lee had more involvement. I have no idea IMO:shrug: sara

[beemer]

I think the delay's are part tactical and part when the DP was put back on the table-then you have Lyon on board who i think has to re-interview everyone. I guess it's good in a way so there are no slip ups and room for appeals-justifiable ones.

[SaraSidle]

I think the delay's are part tactical and part when the DP was put back on the table-then you have Lyon on board who i think has to re-interview everyone. I guess it's good in a way so there are no slip ups and room for appeals-justifiable ones.

I think you are right Beemer. I think Lyons is getting started. And it is more time away from the DP. sara

[One2Snoop]

Yes tattoo's are not cheap-unless Liar had it done on trade :eek: More stolen monies in her pocket. She prolly would have blamed Zanny ;) I hope the video of her shopping in Target comes up-I mean that is just beyond belief that she was just following the script. If i was a juror and this not a child murder case I know i would be in such hysterics from laughter I'd be kicked off the jury.

Just a refresher of her Target shopping trip - she looks like she's really stressed out there huh? :rolleyes: So much so she had to go back 2 days later....

Enter/Exits Target -July 8
Part 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/17660840/index.html


Checkout counter/writing check - July 8
Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/17660816/index.html

Enters/Exits Target - July 10
Part 1
http://www.wftv.com/video/17660789/index.html

Checkout counter - July 10
Part 2
http://www.wftv.com/video/17660819/index.html

[beemer]

Thanks soooo much Snoop that made my day-that alone will take her down. Too bad she was not bright enough to pull a piece of paper out of her purse and pretend to conceal the script. I suppose she claimed Zanny told her what to buy :shrug:

[samanthajane13]

Maybe the Skank heard that Caylee was seen wandering around the lingerie section, and figured she didn't succeed in killing her, so she went back to finish what she started??

You know how sneaky those three-year-olds are. :rolleyes:

Maybe she thought Caylee got away and hitch-hiked over to the store, and just HAD to be punished...:eek:

Dumb azz...

[beemer]

Maybe the Skank heard that Caylee was seen wandering around the lingerie section, and figured she didn't succeed in killing her, so she went back to finish what she started??

You know how sneaky those three-year-olds are. :rolleyes:

Maybe she thought Caylee got away and hitch-hiked over to the store, and just HAD to be punished...:eek:

Dumb azz...

Gawd that was good :beer: What i really looked at was how calm she was writing those checks. My gawd my knees would be knocking together so hard you would hear it. Not to mention my shaky handwriting. What a pro. Asshat :hat: Loretta gave me rights to her word :D

[Gatordog]

WDBO Local News
Casey Anthony's ex-boyfriend hires lawyer
By
Drew Petrimoulx
@ July 6, 2009 2:26 PM

The man who was Casey Anthony's boyfriend at the time of her arrest has hired a lawyer.

Tony Lazzaro(pictured) told investigators he met Casey on the social networking website Facebook.com and that she regularly stayed at his apartment in the weeks leading up to her arrest.

Attorney William R. Jay tells WDBO that he's been told by lawyers for Zenaida Gonzales that Lazarro will soon be deposed in Casey's civil case - though nothing had been filed in court as of Monday.

Lazzaro was previously deposed by lawyers for Casey in her criminal case, and Jay said he expects his client to again by questioned in that case "now that they have a death penalty qualified lawyer" - referring to the addition of Dr. Andrea Lyon to the defense team.

Jay said he will represent Lazzaro in both cases.

We're also awaiting word from the judge on Casey fraud case. She accused of stealing money and checks from her friend Amy Huizenga.

Casey's lawyers want to stave off that case until her capital murder trail is completed, but state's attorneys have asked that it be held within two months.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/07/casey-anthonys-exboyfriend-hir.html

The Bar Association in Orlando should send the Liar roses or at least some Cheetos and Pork Rinds. There is no recession in the Legal world here in Central Florida.

Gator

[beemer]

Lyon is going to have to give up her teaching job one would think? Can u imagine telling the judge i cant be in court i have class-especially on a DP case. Lordy :eek:

[Gatordog]

I read that...do you agree with Belich on the waterworks in Orlando?

Agree. I cannot remember one case tried here where the person was not found guilty regardless of how difficult the upbringing or environment. Lyon will have a difficult time trying to convince anyone that the Liar had anything but a Princess Life. I mean, what hardship did she ever have growing up? Lack of attention, lack of food, beatings, assult. No, No, No and No. When the State starts showing the jury photographs of the Liar as a child with Christmas presents, school photos, beach vacations. What is she going to cry about? Sunburns? Is Lyon going to say that the Liar doesn't deserve the death penalty because in 1990 she received a bicycle for Christmas instead of an electric Barbie Car?

Gator

[Gatordog]

And a good time was had by all. I guess he should buy stock in an antacid company before this is over. I think a better name for her would be lyin' cryin'.

Perfect!

:D

[JLette]

i have a question about the checks....in the july 10 checkout counter video she shows an ID...was she using a fake ID or did she actually use her OWN? and if she used her own ID why did they allow the purchase with checks that had a different name.

[beemer]

Agree. I cannot remember one case tried here where the person was not found guilty regardless of how difficult the upbringing or environment. Lyon will have a difficult time trying to convince anyone that the Liar had anything but a Princess Life. I mean, what hardship did she ever have growing up? Lack of attention, lack of food, beatings, assult. No, No, No and No. When the State starts showing the jury photographs of the Liar as a child with Christmas presents, school photos, beach vacations. What is she going to cry about? Sunburns? Is Lyon going to say that the Liar doesn't deserve the death penalty because in 1990 she received a bicycle for Christmas instead of an electric Barbie Car?

Gator
Hey Gator :seeya: No kidding eh? it's going to sound so lame. If thats the route they go they will look like idiots. Other than that the only other route i can see is some other dude did it. That will be even lamer. I think :shrug:

[Gatordog]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!

Dog hires attorney in Florida case!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2a6o66q.jpg
HELP!!

Oh Lord, the tears are pouring down my face from laughing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy119.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[beemer]

i have a question about the checks....in the july 10 checkout counter video she shows an ID...was she using a fake ID or did she actually use her OWN? and if she used her own ID why did they allow the purchase with checks that had a different name.
I do remember seeing a photo copy of a cheque way back when and i am sure she signed by her own name. I am sure those cashier's caught heck but they likely just checked the signature against the I.D. and never bothered to look at the name printed on the cheque in the upper corner. I am assuming that the cheques had Amy's name on them. I will see if i can find it but not as savvy as others.

[Gatordog]

Yes tattoo's are not cheap-unless Liar had it done on trade :eek: More stolen monies in her pocket. She prolly would have blamed Zanny ;) I hope the video of her shopping in Target comes up-I mean that is just beyond belief that she was just following the script. If i was a juror and this not a child murder case I know i would be in such hysterics from laughter I'd be kicked off the jury.

You mean the video where she is walking in and picking her nose? Hah, couldn't resist. They have so many videos of her at Target. But, there isn't one video of her shopping for something for Caylee. Not a diaper, not a dress, not a hat. After all, if she was coming home in "55" days, she'd need something, at least a new book as a coming home present.

Gator

[Gatordog]

i have a question about the checks....in the july 10 checkout counter video she shows an ID...was she using a fake ID or did she actually use her OWN? and if she used her own ID why did they allow the purchase with checks that had a different name.

I think she used her own. If I recall, she signed the checks using her actual name even though Amy' name was printed on the checks.

Gator

[JLette]

it seems like Casey had a pretty easy run of it when it came to just TAKING things from people. why is it people like her have enablers at every damn corner :shrug:

[Gatordog]

Regarding not buying anything for Caylee in those 31 days. Caylee's birthday is in early August. She didn't buy one gift for her during that time even though her birthday was in three weeks. I don't know about you, but I have bought presents for my nieces and nephews a month or two in advance, if not longer, if I saw something perfect for them. I have my mother's Christmas present already because I knew it would be exactly what she would like. So, as far as kids go, I can't believe a mother wouldn't buy her child's present a few weeks before the birthday.

Gator

[beemer]

it seems like Casey had a pretty easy run of it when it came to just TAKING things from people. why is it people like her have enablers at every damn corner :shrug:
I know the sense of entitlement is maddening. Sorry i could not find the photo copy of the cheque. I know it seems folks like these can fall into a pile of chit and come out smelling like a rose. Well not this time for Liar :beer: It eventaully catches up with them.

[samanthajane13]

"So, as far as kids go, I can't believe a mother wouldn't buy her child's present a few weeks before the birthday."

This is just more evidence that there was no Caylee left to celebrate a birthday for!!

[One2Snoop]

I think she used her own. If I recall, she signed the checks using her actual name even though Amy' name was printed on the checks.

Gator

That's what I remember too. Checks Casey wrote - charges filed by Amy. Page 14 gives specifics and says Casey signed her own name (middle of page)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/42806501.pdf

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks soooo much Snoop that made my day-that alone will take her down. Too bad she was not bright enough to pull a piece of paper out of her purse and pretend to conceal the script. I suppose she claimed Zanny told her what to buy :shrug:

HAH! you read my mind! We all want to see that script and its subsequent shopping list.

Kidding aside. If the defense is going to stick to the ImagiNanny did it, they need to issue a subpoena for her to appear in court. ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

Regarding not buying anything for Caylee in those 31 days. Caylee's birthday is in early August. She didn't buy one gift for her during that time even though her birthday was in three weeks. I don't know about you, but I have bought presents for my nieces and nephews a month or two in advance, if not longer, if I saw something perfect for them. I have my mother's Christmas present already because I knew it would be exactly what she would like. So, as far as kids go, I can't believe a mother wouldn't buy her child's present a few weeks before the birthday.

Gator

Excellent points!

[beemer]

HAH! you read my mind! We all want to see that script and its subsequent shopping list.

Kidding aside. If the defense is going to stick to the ImagiNanny did it, they need to issue a subpoena for her to appear in court. ;)

Haaaaa For sure and i wanna see Zanny in court-we will judge if she is a 10 or not. C's standard of perfection could be just a tad off :D I am dying to know what Liar told LE when she changed her stories as to what she did with the script and the email directions she received. That answer alone may require sedation to calm my hysterical outburst. I'm not sure which will affect me more-the answer or the fact that G&C bought it :shrug:

[samanthajane13]

"Haaaaa For sure and i wanna see Zanny in court-we will judge if she is a 10 or not."

Okay-what's all this CRAP about 10s???

Are they so bigoted and biased that none of them would be caught dead in the presence of anyone who wasn't superlatively physically attractive??

I mean Cindy sounds like Paris Flockin' Hilton, for God's sake!!!

And personally, I don't see Cindy as being any more than a 3, George, a 4 or 5, Lee as about a 2 (that damned Neanderthal brow just doesn't do it for me...), and Casey MAYBE a 5-on a good day before her arrest...and fully made up.

And they're ALL uglier than sin on the INSIDE-where it REALLY counts!!!

And they're picking on Zanny??

Who the flock do they think they ARE??

Go ahead and sue me for saying you and your hyena-pack are ugly, Cindy!!

The only one who was beautiful-inside and out-was MURDERED by your sociopathic be-otch daughter!!

[beemer]

You could not of said it any better Sam :beer: I wonder if they still place such importance on appearance? My guess-prolly YES :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

"Haaaaa For sure and i wanna see Zanny in court-we will judge if she is a 10 or not."

Okay-what's all this CRAP about 10s???

Are they so bigoted and biased that none of them would be caught dead in the presence of anyone who wasn't superlatively physically attractive??

I mean Cindy sounds like Paris Flockin' Hilton, for God's sake!!!

And personally, I don't see Cindy as being any more than a 3, George, a 4 or 5, Lee as about a 2 (that damned Neanderthal brow just doesn't do it for me...), and Casey MAYBE a 5-on a good day before her arrest...and fully made up.

And they're ALL uglier than sin on the INSIDE-where it REALLY counts!!!

And they're picking on Zanny??

Who the flock do they think they ARE??

Go ahead and sue me for saying you and your hyena-pack are ugly, Cindy!!

The only one who was beautiful-inside and out-was MURDERED by your sociopathic be-otch daughter!!

D, you said a mouthful! And so did Cindy in the Morgan/Mitnik deposition when she bashed Morgan's Zenaida on the Ten Scale. Or course, you speak the truth and well, you know. She was being her typical AOTT self.

BTW I had a dream last night that Cindy chews nicotine gum. Anyone know if she's a smoker and smacks her big ole mouth in public just to keep from ruining her image by dragging on a ciggy?

[Gatordog]

"Haaaaa For sure and i wanna see Zanny in court-we will judge if she is a 10 or not."

Okay-what's all this CRAP about 10s???

Are they so bigoted and biased that none of them would be caught dead in the presence of anyone who wasn't superlatively physically attractive??

I mean Cindy sounds like Paris Flockin' Hilton, for God's sake!!!

And personally, I don't see Cindy as being any more than a 3, George, a 4 or 5, Lee as about a 2 (that damned Neanderthal brow just doesn't do it for me...), and Casey MAYBE a 5-on a good day before her arrest...and fully made up.

And they're ALL uglier than sin on the INSIDE-where it REALLY counts!!!

And they're picking on Zanny??

Who the flock do they think they ARE??

Go ahead and sue me for saying you and your hyena-pack are ugly, Cindy!!

The only one who was beautiful-inside and out-was MURDERED by your sociopathic be-otch daughter!!

"Hyena Pack" http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Poor Hyenas - that's a blow to that animal for sure.

[SaraSidle]

"Hyena Pack" http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Poor Hyenas - that's a blow to that animal for sure.

Seem like tazmanian devils to me. have you noticed they bare their teeth when it is even implied that they lied about something? I mean the females. and then they fly into a rage.........how nice. Hyenas is good though. sara:beer:

[beemer]

D, you said a mouthful! And so did Cindy in the Morgan/Mitnik deposition when she bashed Morgan's Zenaida on the Ten Scale. Or course, you speak the truth and well, you know. She was being her typical AOTT self.

BTW I had a dream last night that Cindy chews nicotine gum. Anyone know if she's a smoker and smacks her big ole mouth in public just to keep from ruining her image by dragging on a ciggy?

Gawd i hope she is not a smoker-gives folks like us a bad name :D Maybe she once was and quit. You know how one addiction replaces another. Maybe thats when lying and stupidity set in :punch:

[Nawny]

Agree. I cannot remember one case tried here where the person was not found guilty regardless of how difficult the upbringing or environment. Lyon will have a difficult time trying to convince anyone that the Liar had anything but a Princess Life. I mean, what hardship did she ever have growing up? Lack of attention, lack of food, beatings, assault. No, No, No and No. When the State starts showing the jury photographs of the Liar as a child with Christmas presents, school photos, beach vacations. What is she going to cry about? Sunburns? Is Lyon going to say that the Liar doesn't deserve the death penalty because in 1990 she received a bicycle for Christmas instead of an electric Barbie Car?

Gator

She's going to claim the abuse was emotional and psychological. Watch... betcha :( She is going to claim that Cindy held her emotionally hostage and she refused to let her go on with her life. She's going to say daddy molested her and that Lee was on their team . She is going to claim the pressure got so bad she had to escape and then she had a mental breakdown and has no recall of where she left Caylee. She is going to say she was terrified and suffered PTSD and blocked out who took Caylee which she couldn't report her missing because she was TERRIFIED of her mother. All of it was Cindy's fault, she will say because Cindy was a control freak and threatened to take Caylee away. She had Stockholm syndrome too! She stayed because she had to live there or be de-mothered. Her life was horrible, she'll say. But of course that's relative. She doesn't know what its like to be homeless or hungry, so when Cindy says, Stay home and take care of your kid, that equates with HORRIBLE to liar.

That will be a real tear jerker. Booooo hooooo. :rolleyes:

[Justice Denied?]

THere are so many lies in this case that it will be like untangling a hundred pound ball of string to get any semblance of truth. No wonder it is taking so long to get their acts together. Jose will be working a lot of overtime for the bubble-head. This delay in justice for Caylee is sickening. I'm so aggravated about this delay! Grrr. The three stooges could have made more sense of this defense.

What part of ***the stuff in the bags with Caylee came from the A's house.. and she didn't report her missing for a month and under pressure, at that...*** doesn't the defense team understand?

There is no defense. Also there is no Caylee. The longer this trial is delayed, the less chance the defense has of making any statement worth a damn. Time clouds a lot, but it won't cloud her guilt. IMO She's going to get more pork rinds and completely forget why she's in jail. Maybe they want more time to get the public off the heat of the moment. Maybe Jose wants a dumb to the facts, jury? Is this delay deliberate? Strategy?

Of course, it's strategy. Was it F. Lee Bailey or Johnny Cochran who said when you have a guilty client, the defense strategy should always be Delay, delay, delay, deny, deny, deny. It was meant as a joke at the time but it's all too true.

[Nawny]

Gawd i hope she is not a smoker-gives folks like us a bad name :D Maybe she once was and quit. You know how one addiction replaces another. Maybe thats when lying and stupidity set in :punch:

lol,lol,lol,...Yes the Nicorette addicts spend over60 dollars a week on gum! It's still nicotine going through their livers. I always thought they were chewing Nicorette gum. No one chews that much gum. They are totally addicted to the stuff IMO. They should chew something! Their kid is in jail for murdering their grandchild! Maybe they should smoke the gum.

[Justice Denied?]

Agree. I cannot remember one case tried here where the person was not found guilty regardless of how difficult the upbringing or environment. Lyon will have a difficult time trying to convince anyone that the Liar had anything but a Princess Life. I mean, what hardship did she ever have growing up? Lack of attention, lack of food, beatings, assult. No, No, No and No. When the State starts showing the jury photographs of the Liar as a child with Christmas presents, school photos, beach vacations. What is she going to cry about? Sunburns? Is Lyon going to say that the Liar doesn't deserve the death penalty because in 1990 she received a bicycle for Christmas instead of an electric Barbie Car?

Gator

I really don't know but I'll bet with Cindy as a mother, Casey had something to cry about more than a few times. JMO

[Nawny]

it seems like Casey had a pretty easy run of it when it came to just TAKING things from people. why is it people like her have enablers at every damn corner :shrug:

Remember the old Indian saying, "When you steal another man's food, your hunger is never satisfied"

No matter how good her life looked, enablers get tired and eventually the Casey Anthony's run out of world. They ALWAYS end up with nothing, J.

When you care about someone, you don't give them a fish. You don't even teach them how to fish, just show them the pond and let them earn self respect and integrity. The greatest gift you can give your children is, show them the way to be self sufficient. That's love. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I really don't know but I'll bet with Cindy as a mother, Casey had something to cry about more than a few times. JMO

AMEN. I'm thinking Cindy's as much a piece of work as Casey.

[samanthajane13]

"BTW I had a dream last night that Cindy chews nicotine gum. Anyone know if she's a smoker and smacks her big ole mouth in public just to keep from ruining her image by dragging on a ciggy?"

I thought she was chewing her cud!!!

[Nawny]

D, you said a mouthful! And so did Cindy in the Morgan/Mitnick deposition when she bashed Morgan's Zenaida on the Ten Scale. Or course, you speak the truth and well, you know. She was being her typical AOTT self.

BTW I had a dream last night that Cindy chews nicotine gum. Anyone know if she's a smoker and smacks her big ole mouth in public just to keep from ruining her image by dragging on a ciggy?

Cancerians are so darn psychic! :beer:

[Nawny]

i have a question about the checks....in the july 10 checkout counter video she shows an ID...was she using a fake ID or did she actually use her OWN? and if she used her own ID why did they allow the purchase with checks that had a different name.

Not sure if that was an ID J. It looks as if the cashier swiped it. Notice the cashier's mannerisms? She didn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed. In a hurry, she was already cashing out the next customer before liar got the last bag in her carriage. They don't pay much attention sometimes.

I've had a few things to say to cashiers at those kinds of stores. Like: Ahhh, excuse me, do you want to pay attention to what you're doing here, you just scanned that item twice. How about you stop talking to your pal and do your job? Then they give me the hairy eyeball; like it's their money that's going to go into that draw.

[Nawny]

Lyon is going to have to give up her teaching job one would think? Can u imagine telling the judge i cant be in court i have class-especially on a DP case. Lordy :eek:

Really beemer... I'd like to know how these lawyers can afford to spend all this time working for the liar. Are they independently wealthy? This is charity work. Unless they see it as pure promo. Fame? It doesn't look like a good idea to immerse your career in a sinking ship though. :shrug:

[Nawny]

AMEN. I'm thinking Cindy's as much a piece of work as Casey.

I agree. Can you imagine Liar's life with that witch? See IMO this mother and daughter team was wrought with control issues, but in the end the grinch controlled nothing at all. And while raising a daughter to be a ten, she forgot to teach her how to survive. If she had that skill, she'd be living in another state, Caylee would be in day care, she'd be working to support her, and grinch would have been out of the picture. Grinch made Liar lazy and bitter. THe only thing she used her God given brain for was to hate her captor, party and steal.

There's Haterade in my coffee this morning. ;)

[beemer]

Really beemer... I'd like to know how these lawyers can afford to spend all this time working for the liar. Are they independently wealthy? This is charity work. Unless they see it as pure promo. Fame? It doesn't look like a good idea to immerse your career in a sinking ship though. :shrug:

I know it seems as long as their name gets out there it's all good. Even if attached to the bad and ugly. I dont get it. Then again i guess most of us dont have the mindset of such defense atty's. I was shocked at Mark Geragos's strategy during the Scooter trial. Lordy :shrug:

[Gatordog]

She's going to claim the abuse was emotional and psychological. Watch... betcha :( She is going to claim that Cindy held her emotionally hostage and she refused to let her go on with her life. She's going to say daddy molested her and that Lee was on their team . She is going to claim the pressure got so bad she had to escape and then she had a mental breakdown and has no recall of where she left Caylee. She is going to say she was terrified and suffered PTSD and blocked out who took Caylee which she couldn't report her missing because she was TERRIFIED of her mother. All of it was Cindy's fault, she will say because Cindy was a control freak and threatened to take Caylee away. She had Stockholm syndrome too! She stayed because she had to live there or be de-mothered. Her life was horrible, she'll say. But of course that's relative. She doesn't know what its like to be homeless or hungry, so when Cindy says, Stay home and take care of your kid, that equates with HORRIBLE to liar.

That will be a real tear jerker. Booooo hooooo. :rolleyes:


I bet that the Liar was brought up just like Caylee - very loved and adored. It was when she turned 18 that the tides seemed to have turned. Even after that, before she was pregnant, they protected her and didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to do. I had to get a job while I was in High School. I had to be home at a certain time. I had to account for my whereabouts. She didn't have to do any of these things and never paid any consequences for stealing or lying.

Also, in order for her to tell these lies, she has to take the stand. Who is going to tell how mentally abused she was? Teachers who saw G&C attend parent teacher conference night? Grandma Shirley who admits to not liking her granddaughter? Lee who would have to say he attempted statuatory rape and incest? George can't lie very well. He gets angry if he has to lie. The jury won't buy it because what child hasn't been under some sort of control from their parents? If anything, they will think G&C were way to easy on her. I hope my mom is on that jury. She once threatened to "break both my legs" if I wasn't home on time. And I was only going next door to the neighbor's house. ;)

JMO

[beemer]

Thats an excellent point Gator-who would confirm it? I just wonder where they are going to go with this. Or will their main focus be provide a defense she is entitled to by law and fight like hay against a DP? Other than that the only thing i can think of is to try to create a reasonable doubt that some other dude did it? Lame but what else could they come up with?

[JLette]

Not sure if that was an ID J. It looks as if the cashier swiped it. Notice the cashier's mannerisms? She didn't look like the sharpest tool in the shed. In a hurry, she was already cashing out the next customer before liar got the last bag in her carriage. They don't pay much attention sometimes.

I've had a few things to say to cashiers at those kinds of stores. Like: Ahhh, excuse me, do you want to pay attention to what you're doing here, you just scanned that item twice. How about you stop talking to your pal and do your job? Then they give me the hairy eyeball; like it's their money that's going to go into that draw.

i try not to write checks at all, i prefer to use cash or a card, but a few times i have written checks at Wal-Mart and they have swiped my ID through some weird machine that looks like a credit card swiper.....so far Wal-Mart is the only store i have ever seen do that, not exactly even sure what they did LOL, maybe its something that can tell if it is a fake ID or not? :shrug:

and then on top of swiping my ID for whatever reasons they also write the NUMBER from my ID on the check itself....i don't think i have ever been to a Target before, we don't have any near where i live, but at Wal-Mart here that is how they do it. she was just lucky she didn't get nabbed right then and there....why are bad people always so lucky? grrr :cuss:

[Amy]

I bet that the Liar was brought up just like Caylee - very loved and adored. It was when she turned 18 that the tides seemed to have turned. Even after that, before she was pregnant, they protected her and didn't force her to do anything she didn't want to do. I had to get a job while I was in High School. I had to be home at a certain time. I had to account for my whereabouts. She didn't have to do any of these things and never paid any consequences for stealing or lying.

Also, in order for her to tell these lies, she has to take the stand. Who is going to tell how mentally abused she was? Teachers who saw G&C attend parent teacher conference night? Grandma Shirley who admits to not liking her granddaughter? Lee who would have to say he attempted statuatory rape and incest? George can't lie very well. He gets angry if he has to lie. The jury won't buy it because what child hasn't been under some sort of control from their parents? If anything, they will think G&C were way to easy on her. I hope my mom is on that jury. She once threatened to "break both my legs" if I wasn't home on time. And I was only going next door to the neighbor's house. ;)

JMO

"Quit crying or I'll give you something to cry about!!!""If you don't quit, I'm going to knock your block off!!!" "Quit sassing me or I'lll shake your brain loose!!!!" Of course, none of these things ever happened, and can you imagine anyone getting away with these kinds of threats these days? My Momma would have been in jail, and someone else would have been raising us kids! Of course, I guess there are people who really did carry out these kinds of threats. Me, I didn't push the limits to find out if she was serious or not.

[Amy]

i try not to write checks at all, i prefer to use cash or a card, but a few times i have written checks at Wal-Mart and they have swiped my ID through some weird machine that looks like a credit card swiper.....so far Wal-Mart is the only store i have ever seen do that, not exactly even sure what they did LOL, maybe its something that can tell if it is a fake ID or not? :shrug:

and then on top of swiping my ID for whatever reasons they also write the NUMBER from my ID on the check itself....i don't think i have ever been to a Target before, we don't have any near where i live, but at Wal-Mart here that is how they do it. she was just lucky she didn't get nabbed right then and there....why are bad people always so lucky? grrr :cuss:

The checks are scanned and you sign a receipt just as if you had used a credit card @ our local WallyWorld, and the one in Wichita. Then, they return your check to you right then and there. Sometimes they ask for you license or an ID, sometimes not. Maybe depending on the amount of money spent?

[JLette]

"Quit crying or I'll give you something to cry about!!!""If you don't quit, I'm going to knock your block off!!!" "Quit sassing me or I'lll shake your brain loose!!!!" Of course, none of these things ever happened, and can you imagine anyone getting away with these kinds of threats these days? My Momma would have been in jail, and someone else would have been raising us kids! Of course, I guess there are people who really did carry out these kinds of threats. Me, I didn't push the limits to find out if she was serious or not.

haha i heard all of those and more that i can't even remember anymore. of course the worst i ever got was spanked with my dads belt and that stopped when i was about 7 or 8 i think, but they sure were scary things to hear, especially when i knew i was wrong LOL that and that "i am going to count to three.....1......2.......3" whew i would be running to do what i was told before they got to three. :)

[samanthajane13]

"i try not to write checks at all, i prefer to use cash or a card, but a few times i have written checks at Wal-Mart and they have swiped my ID through some weird machine that looks like a credit card swiper"

Okay-they do the exact same thing at my Target for checks.

It reads your name, address, license number, I don't know if it an read your traffic infraction history, but everything related to your license and your driving record are embedded int hat strip on the back.

It records the sales transaction, the check info that comes from feeding the check into another scanner, and the license id info.

You'd THINK it would COMPARE that info, too.

".....so far Wal-Mart is the only store i have ever seen do that, not exactly even sure what they did LOL, maybe its something that can tell if it is a fake ID or not?"

Target, Wally World, KlubMartha, to name just a few in WNY.

If there is no hologram (new ones only) on the NY license, it WILL pick that up, and then they want a credit/debit card to back the check up.

"and then on top of swiping my ID for whatever reasons they also write the NUMBER from my ID on the check itself...."

Yep-along with your phone number.

Next, they're going to want your IQ, blood type, shoe size and bra size.

"i don't think i have ever been to a Target before, we don't have any near where i live, but at Wal-Mart here that is how they do it. she was just lucky she didn't get nabbed right then and there....why are bad people always so lucky? grrr"

Yeah all that stuff is pretty standard for check use in NY State.

Damned NAZIS!!

She's damned lucky the store security didn't haul her azz of THAT DAY!!

Basically, she SHOP-LIFTED.

If the technology or the cashier had been more on the ball, she'd be in DEEP GUANO, and never would have made it out of the store that day.

She would have been in jail, Cindy would have asked where Caylee was, and it all would have hit the fan a LOT earlier.

[JLette]

yea i thought so, thanks for confirming what i pretty much KNEW :beer:

i am not working right now but all my work experience in my life has to do with cashier work, so i had a feeling that something was amiss....just a side thought but i hope that the cashier's who allowed her to make all those purchases are fired, there are so many people that should be punished in this case

[lorettalockhorn]

"i try not to write checks at all, i prefer to use cash or a card, but a few times i have written checks at Wal-Mart and they have swiped my ID through some weird machine that looks like a credit card swiper"

Okay-they do the exact same thing at my Target for checks.

It reads your name, address, license number, I don't know if it an read your traffic infraction history, but everything related to your license and your driving record are embedded int hat strip on the back.

It records the sales transaction, the check info that comes from feeding the check into another scanner, and the license id info.

You'd THINK it would COMPARE that info, too.

".....so far Wal-Mart is the only store i have ever seen do that, not exactly even sure what they did LOL, maybe its something that can tell if it is a fake ID or not?"

Target, Wally World, KlubMartha, to name just a few in WNY.

If there is no hologram (new ones only) on the NY license, it WILL pick that up, and then they want a credit/debit card to back the check up.

"and then on top of swiping my ID for whatever reasons they also write the NUMBER from my ID on the check itself...."

Yep-along with your phone number.

Next, they're going to want your IQ, blood type, shoe size and bra size.

"i don't think i have ever been to a Target before, we don't have any near where i live, but at Wal-Mart here that is how they do it. she was just lucky she didn't get nabbed right then and there....why are bad people always so lucky? grrr"

Yeah all that stuff is pretty standard for check use in NY State.

Damned NAZIS!!

She's damned lucky the store security didn't haul her azz of THAT DAY!!

Basically, she SHOP-LIFTED.

If the technology or the cashier had been more on the ball, she'd be in DEEP GUANO, and never would have made it out of the store that day.

She would have been in jail, Cindy would have asked where Caylee was, and it all would have hit the fan a LOT earlier.

Oops. I'll have "insufficient funds". :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

yea i thought so, thanks for confirming what i pretty much KNEW :beer:

i am not working right now but all my work experience in my life has to do with cashier work, so i had a feeling that something was amiss....just a side thought but i hope that the cashier's who allowed her to make all those purchases are fired, there are so many people that should be punished in this case

Prolly do 90% of my shopping online, but it always honks me off when a cashier doesn't actually look at my ID or my signature, especially my siggy; it could probably only be forged by a caligrapher. :shrug:

[samanthajane13]

"but it always honks me off when a cashier doesn't actually look at my ID or my signature, especially my siggy; it could probably only be forged by a caligrapher."

Yeah-tell me about it.

When I went to the Dept. of Morons & Vegetables (NY DMV) to renew my license in January, they gave me flack because my sig didn't match from the last license.

The lady said "How do I know it's YOU if the sigs don't match?"

I told her that I only write in heirglyphics, and it changes DAILY, and to compare my picture with MY FACE, and all the 10 miliion pieces of ID that I had to provide.

She said NONE of my sigs matched...and had to call her supervisor over.

He finally told her that even HE could see that the picture matched my FACE, and to disregard the sigs.

To steal Loretta's word...FIDIOTS!!!

[browneyes106]

I have wondered a lot how Casey managed to pass those checks at the stores. Some stores are high on techonology while other stores aren't. I have never seen machines at stores that do scans on drivers licenses. It does seem to be fault on the cashiers. But maybe with so many people paying with cards these days maybe the cashiers sort of forgot about how to deal with check payments.

[Amy]

"but it always honks me off when a cashier doesn't actually look at my ID or my signature, especially my siggy; it could probably only be forged by a caligrapher."

Yeah-tell me about it.

When I went to the Dept. of Morons & Vegetables (NY DMV) to renew my license in January, they gave me flack because my sig didn't match from the last license.

The lady said "How do I know it's YOU if the sigs don't match?"

I told her that I only write in heirglyphics, and it changes DAILY, and to compare my picture with MY FACE, and all the 10 miliion pieces of ID that I had to provide.

She said NONE of my sigs matched...and had to call her supervisor over.

He finally told her that even HE could see that the picture matched my FACE, and to disregard the sigs.

To steal Loretta's word...FIDIOTS!!!

I guess some places only hire people who go "by the book" and don't think for themselves. If the lady had to have a supervisor to approve a non-signature verification, she should have just called him over the first time you mentioned comparing the pic to your face. I'm surprised she tho't of calling the supervisor over, that it didn't get to the point that YOU would have demand that she call the supervisor!!!

[samanthajane13]

"I guess some places only hire people who go "by the book" and don't think for themselves. If the lady had to have a supervisor to approve a non-signature verification, she should have just called him over the first time you mentioned comparing the pic to your face. I'm surprised she tho't of calling the supervisor over, that it didn't get to the point that YOU would have demand that she call the supervisor!!!"

Actually, it only took her about a minute before she realized she needed the supervisor.

Had she refused my license, or taken too long arguing with me, I WOULD have asked for the supervisor.

One of the BIG THINGS that were going on at the time was the beginning of the "enhanced" licenses to be used to cross into Canada and Mexico-since we're in Buffalo, and just a stone's throw from the border bridges.

So the workers were advised to be "extra vigilant" with ID's.

I can understand that to a point, but I was just going for a regular renewal-NOT conversion to the "enhanced" license.

It did all work out in the end-no thanks to the robotic worker.

:D

[JLette]

ok, so here is another thought. she couldn't possibly get off on the fraud charges or the theft charges because the cashiers didn't make the connection could she?? it sounds like a long shot but it seems like her lawyers are interested in nothing BUT long shots with her

[samanthajane13]

I doubt it.

Amy and bank found it, got to Target/other stores for the videos, etc. after they found out where the checks were cashed and Amy's account was empty.

The bank can contact the police about the Skank issuing a forged bank instrument, and the management of the shops can go after her for theft, since the checks were basically no good.