Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

Morning Loretta :seeya:

I agree with you regarding the Timer55 not fitting in with the tattoo guy's remark. They can get her on that and smash that lie to smithereens. But the A's will call him a liar, I'm supposing. Everyone who has something to say that will show liar's guilt will be pissed on by them.
Can the A's take the 5th at trial? Will they?

George's drama in court the other day was totally sickening. I hate that he brought the framed picture of Caylee. It reminded me of how in acting school, to get acting students to cry they tell them to think of the saddest moment in their lives... Further more, The child wasn't killed by a stranger so why the picture? What does it prove? It proves to me that they want to evoke sympathy from the court. It didn't. When are those people going to stand up and get some class? They are making fools of themselves.

The fifth amendment can only be invoked to prevent self-incrimination, so if the Ant's try it, it's gonna be something else! The picture and the attempt to evoke sympathy was disgusting during a motion. And there sat Cindy shaking her head "no". Neither one of them have a clue re: the legal reasoning behind the judge's order. Cindy dinna do her homework.

Hope you had weeble fun today!

[BeastofBears]

Aww Dazy, that is so neat! Happy Belated BDay to Lois B! http://i41.tinypic.com/21nljlx.jpg

I love the salute to lost soldiers NG does at the end of each show. A lot of people don't realize that during Viet Nam there was a body count on the front page of many daily papers. Really brings it home. :patriot:

I like how she tells us what they were like. Every one of them is a precious loss.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe George is the one who dressed her.

That's a good point. And since he has now given Caylee breakfast, I'm sure as soon as he reads your post his story will be embellished again.

Kidding! sorta

[lorettalockhorn]

For Spitz to say "there is no evidence of murder" is like Janey Wientraub saying the same about Laci Peterson. Like, Laci Peterson walked the however many miles to the marina (her car was @ home, no one 'fessed up to giving her a ride) and then just walked into the waters of the marina until she drowned. I don't really think little Caylee Anthony could 1) walk to the place where her body was found, 2) manage to put duct tape over her own mouth (heck, she couldn't get it off the roll, let alone tear it, or cut it with scissors,) 3) manage to get herself into the garbage bags and laundry bag. The only other way for this to have happened is---MURDER!!!! :( Heck, she couldn't even have accidentally killed herself w/the duct tape--for the reasons listed above. A two y/o child, even if she is almost 3 can't do the duct tape thing, heck, there's a lot of adults who can't handle duct tape!!!!

And, of course, DR Spitz when YOU observed Caylee's remains, the duct tape was not in place. That is why the ME provided pictures and a report--because OBVIOUSLY the duct tape was on the remains when the ME first examined them. Dr G has no pony in this parade. Her report was BEFORE there was id of the remains, so there would have been no reason for her to try to make the report fit whatever anyone thinks Casey Anthony did to her daughter.

Spitz's comments were an insult to intelligence and to murder victims.

[lorettalockhorn]

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I sent an email to a WESH investigative reporter, Michelle Meredith, and asked this question. She sent me an email back and said it was a good question and she was going to look into it.

Gator

Good deal Gator. Wonder what's gonna be the spin?!?!

[lorettalockhorn]

I like how she tells us what they were like. Every one of them is a precious loss.

So true, Bob. And when you learn how much they like things like bowling or teaching kids to fish, you realize what they've given up to serve us.

[BeastofBears]

That's a good point. And since he has now given Caylee breakfast, I'm sure as soon as he reads your post his story will be embellished again.

Kidding! sorta

Remember when we make a choice, according to some, we create an alternate reality, a parallel dimension, if you will. If the Parallel Worlds theory is correct, nothing is really a lie, since it is true in at least one other dimension. :biggrin:
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[Justice Denied?]

Morning Loretta :seeya:

I agree with you regarding the Timer55 not fitting in with the tattoo guy's remark. They can get her on that and smash that lie to smithereens. But the A's will call him a liar, I'm supposing. Everyone who has something to say that will show liar's guilt will be pissed on by them.
Can the A's take the 5th at trial? Will they?

George's drama in court the other day was totally sickening. I hate that he brought the framed picture of Caylee. It reminded me of how in acting school, to get acting students to cry they tell them to think of the saddest moment in their lives... Further more, The child wasn't killed by a stranger so why the picture? What does it prove? It proves to me that they want to evoke sympathy from the court. It didn't. When are those people going to stand up and get some class? They are making fools of themselves.

I think you can only take the 5th to avoid incriminating YOURSELF, not to avoid telling the truth about someone else.

I remember thinking while watching GA's performance that maybe he brought the picture so he could remember what she looked like. Remember how at first none of them would say her name? It was always "that little girl" or some other cutsey name. I was really offended when, in the ZG testimony GA said, "If you say 'remains' one more time I'' walk out of here. That was all that was left when they finally found Caylee and there is only Casey to blame. JMO, MOO :flamemad:

[Justice Denied?]

For Spitz to say "there is no evidence of murder" is like Janey Wientraub saying the same about Laci Peterson. Like, Laci Peterson walked the however many miles to the marina (her car was @ home, no one 'fessed up to giving her a ride) and then just walked into the waters of the marina until she drowned. I don't really think little Caylee Anthony could 1) walk to the place where her body was found, 2) manage to put duct tape over her own mouth (heck, she couldn't get it off the roll, let alone tear it, or cut it with scissors,) 3) manage to get herself into the garbage bags and laundry bag. The only other way for this to have happened is---MURDER!!!! :( Heck, she couldn't even have accidentally killed herself w/the duct tape--for the reasons listed above. A two y/o child, even if she is almost 3 can't do the duct tape thing, heck, there's a lot of adults who can't handle duct tape!!!!

And, of course, DR Spitz when YOU observed Caylee's remains, the duct tape was not in place. That is why the ME provided pictures and a report--because OBVIOUSLY the duct tape was on the remains when the ME first examined them. Dr G has no pony in this parade. Her report was BEFORE there was id of the remains, so there would have been no reason for her to try to make the report fit whatever anyone thinks Casey Anthony did to her daughter.

Dr. Spitz was technically corect. There was no duct tape or residue ON THE SKULL. Originally it was taped to the flesh of the face and the hair. It was so tight they had to cut the hair to get it off. When they removed it, there was no evidence ON THE SKULL. You have to watch this entire bunch and how they word things. LOL

[Nawny]

The fifth amendment can only be invoked to prevent self-incrimination, so if the Ant's try it, it's gonna be something else! The picture and the attempt to evoke sympathy was disgusting during a motion. And there sat Cindy shaking her head "no". Neither one of them have a clue re: the legal reasoning behind the judge's order. Cindy dinna do her homework.

Hope you had weeble fun today!

I had a wonderful weeble day. We made blueberry muffins and made butterflies with playdough, then looked at funny dog and cat utube videos :) They're coming back tomorrow because their momma has to work in the city. She's a freelance graphic designer. Her latest project is Blue Cross promo ads. The older weebs are coming too! That makes five! I'm prepared. :hat:

[BeastofBears]

I had a wonderful weeble day. We made blueberry muffins and made butterflies with playdough, then looked at funny dog and cat utube videos :) They're coming back tomorrow because their momma has to work in the city. She's a freelance graphic designer. Her latest project is Blue Cross promo ads. The older weebs are coming too! That makes five! I'm prepared. :hat:

LOL! You do that too?! Good luck and have fun tomorrow. Have ice packs ready...for you!

[Nawny]

LOL! You do that too?! Good luck and have fun tomorrow. Have ice packs ready...for you!

LOL!!! Yesterday there was only one casualty. Poppa's beloved plants are on a table in front of the window in his office. Weeble number 2 decided to hide behind his door and when she scampered out of her hiding place, all ass and elbows,, CRASH!!!!!! When she ran I know I didn't see her feet touch the floor. :) I had to comfort her and when poppa came home I had to comfort him.

Keep those ice packs nice and cold. It's raining, so we are going to have to bake lots of muffins, water paint, have story time, and one of them will do time on the Time Out bench. (Guaranteed)

They hate that bench. It's sort of like Loretta's blue chair. One day the littlest one scraped her knee and I put her on that bench to tend to it, and she screamed bloody murder! I said, Aww, its not that bad of a boo boo... she said, But Nawn, Nawn, I'm not a bad girl and I'm on the bench! I don't like this bench Nawn!

I got it right away. :o

[deacon]

LOL!!! Yesterday there was only one casualty. Poppa's beloved plants are on a table in front of the window in his office. Weeble number 2 decided to hide behind his door and when she scampered out of her hiding place, all ass and elbows,, CRASH!!!!!! When she ran I know I didn't see her feet touch the floor. :) I had to comfort her and when poppa came home I had to comfort him.

Keep those ice packs nice and cold. It's raining, so we are going to have to bake lots of muffins, water paint, have story time, and one of them will do time on the Time Out bench. (Guaranteed)

They hate that bench. It's sort of like Loretta's blue chair. One day the littlest one scraped her knee and I put her on that bench to tend to it, and she screamed bloody murder! I said, Aww, its not that bad of a boo boo... she said, But Nawn, Nawn, I'm not a bad girl and I'm on the bench! I don't like this bench Nawn!

I got it right away. :o

That is like the ambulance taking you to jail instead of the ER.:D

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's tattoo artist speaks out
Tattoo artist Danny Knight talked about Casey Anthony in a TV interview.

8:41 AM EDT, June 24, 2009

The owner of the tattoo parlor where Casey Anthony got inked after her daughter went missing, spoke on a national news show recently to discuss his interaction with her.

Danny Knight, owner of Cast Iron Tattoo, told Nancy Grace that Casey Anthony spoke only briefly of Caylee during a visit to his Orlando shop. She told Knight the same story she'd told her parents, boyfriend and friends -- Caylee was with the nanny.

While making an appointment to get a third tattoo, Casey Anthony told Knight she would bring Caylee with her to the next appointment. However, Casey Anthony was jailed and never got the tattoo.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-tattoo-062409,0,4355421.story

[BeastofBears]

Hmmmn...I wonder what tattoo number 3 was going to be?

[deacon]

Hmmmn...I wonder what tattoo number 3 was going to be?

Maybe a big L for loser? Or maybe her new "number" she will, IMO, get? Hmmm

[samanthajane13]

"I think you can only take the 5th to avoid incriminating YOURSELF, not to avoid telling the truth about someone else."

Okay-somebody help e here.

Was I hallucinating when I read that George was formerly LEO??

Was this during THIS life-time or in the prehistoric past???

If he was in fact LEO, he had to have taken some kind of classes about the laws of our country, AND PASSED THEM.

And during his career as LEO, he had to have appeared in a court of law AT LEAST ONCE!

Now-assuming that all those facts are true, he would KNOW about 5th Amendment rights and when they can be used AND how they can be used.

Also-about his and Cindy's behavior-or lack there of-at the Zenaida depos-as LEO, at least HE should know better than to act that way...and you would THINK that he would have warned Cindy about how NOT to act-or Conway should have.

Now-after all that-my questions-

Did George drink the Kool-ade and lose all memory and experience from his LEO days, or did Cindy have a lobotomy performed on him while he was hospitalized, or was it that he WANTS to come across as hostile???

Or maybe this is their version of Ugly Coping...?

They're grieving so much for all their losses that their brains fell out??

Can they seriously slap them with contempt charges if they continue to act out in court while being questioned/or refusing to answer the questions, and do you think they actually will??

I'd like to see the court install an electrical charge to the seat in the witness stand, and let the Judge zap them every time they act out!!!

[BeastofBears]

My theory, SJ13, is that they thought if they acted like they did, Morgan would stop the deposition to ask the court for clarification on the right to ask the questions. This would have given them a chance to have the court rule that the questions were not relevant to the ZFG case and have the questions limited.

All imo, but this the only thing that can explain the inexplicable to me...

[Amy]

My theory, SJ13, is that they thought if they acted like they did, Morgan would stop the deposition to ask the court for clarification on the right to ask the questions. This would have given them a chance to have the court rule that the questions were not relevant to the ZFG case and have the questions limited.

All imo, but this the only thing that can explain the inexplicable to me...

I think, instead of researching the doc dumps, Cindy would have done well to look into exactly what a depo is. She possibly would have learned that the witnesses do not control or lead the depo. The witnesses are there to answer the questions. I really think she tho't she and George could just go in and take charge. After all, they ARE the ANTHONY's !!!!!!

[samanthajane13]

Yes, BoB, I do agree.

I just don't get George going into "stupid mode", and acting so unprofessionally.

Cops, soldiers, and doctors are a lot alike.

Their training doesn't just fly out the window in a crisis.

They DEPEND on that training!!

They kick into "battle mode".

They block out all extraneous data, and JUST DO what they're trained to do.

In George's case, the court room and the streets are his "work" zone, and to see him act so hostile and deranged is completely surreal.

[samanthajane13]

"I think, instead of researching the doc dumps, Cindy would have done well to look into exactly what a depo is. She possibly would have learned that the witnesses do not control or lead the depo. The witnesses are there to answer the questions. I really think she tho't she and George could just go in and take charge. After all, they ARE the ANTHONY's !!!!!!"

Okay-I know that Cindy thinks she's entitled to be Queen, but you'd think that Conway would have prepared his clients for the depos, and warned them that their previous hostility would not fly in a legal proceeding.

This guy is just as stupid as Baez-if not MORE SO!!!

At the rate they're all going, not only is the Skank gonna get the DP, but George, Cindy, and probably Lee, too, are going to end up serving time for contempt charges.

This is all well and good as far as I'm concerned, but DAMN!!! How does this guy justify his fees for (mis-)representing them???

Where the Hell did he get his Law degree???

The University of Pluto???

Even if George isn't capable of acting in professional manner befitting a LEO, Conway isn't doing any of them any favors by letting them act like morons.

He should be dis-barred.

[deacon]

"I think, instead of researching the doc dumps, Cindy would have done well to look into exactly what a depo is. She possibly would have learned that the witnesses do not control or lead the depo. The witnesses are there to answer the questions. I really think she tho't she and George could just go in and take charge. After all, they ARE the ANTHONY's !!!!!!"

Okay-I know that Cindy thinks she's entitled to be Queen, but you'd think that Conway would have prepared his clients for the depos, and warned them that their previous hostility would not fly in a legal proceeding.

This guy is just as stupid as Baez-if not MORE SO!!!

At the rate they're all going, not only is the Skank gonna get the DP, but George, Cindy, and probably Lee, too, are going to end up serving time for contempt charges.

This is all well and good as far as I'm concerned, but DAMN!!! How does this guy justify his fees for (mis-)representing them???

Where the Hell did he get his Law degree???

The University of Pluto???
Even if George isn't capable of acting in professional manner befitting a LEO, Conway isn't doing any of them any favors by letting them act like morons.

He should be dis-barred.

Nope, Walmart.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, BoB, I do agree.

I just don't get George going into "stupid mode", and acting so unprofessionally.

Cops, soldiers, and doctors are a lot alike.

Their training doesn't just fly out the window in a crisis.

They DEPEND on that training!!

They kick into "battle mode".

They block out all extraneous data, and JUST DO what they're trained to do.

In George's case, the court room and the streets are his "work" zone, and to see him act so hostile and deranged is completely surreal.

Maybe George was a lousy cop. What do we know about his history in LE? Or why he left? Besides to start up a business and be rich like the rest of his family at Cindy's behest? Guess that could all be rumor.

[samanthajane13]

"Nope, Walmart."

Thank you, deacon!!!

I completely forgot about the Orlando Campus of Wally-World Community College!!!

I didn't realize they'd expanded to full law degrees, though.

"Maybe George was a lousy cop. What do we know about his history in LE? Or why he left? Besides to start up a business and be rich like the rest of his family at Cindy's behest? Guess that could all be rumor."

Probably right there, Loretta!

And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc.

Maybe that's why he left LE. He just SUCKED at it????

[deacon]

"Nope, Walmart."

Thank you, deacon!!!

I completely forgot about the Orlando Campus of Wally-World Community College!!!

I didn't realize they'd expanded to full law degrees, though.

"Maybe George was a lousy cop. What do we know about his history in LE? Or why he left? Besides to start up a business and be rich like the rest of his family at Cindy's behest? Guess that could all be rumor."

Probably right there, Loretta!

And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc.

Maybe that's why he left LE. He just SUCKED at it????

Actually, he got the smell right. About the only thing he got right but he did get that one right.

I amazes me where you can get a law degree. I think McDonalds' Buger University gives one too. I think that is where the guy in North Carolina a few years ago went. Col. Sander once had a University too. That would have been greasy degree though. Come to think of it some lawyers are a little greasy

[BeastofBears]

Not every cop is good at it. Detective Cain comes to mind...imo.

[Gatordog]

Hmmmn...I wonder what tattoo number 3 was going to be?

Something to do with Tony, I'm sure. JMO

[samanthajane13]

"Not every cop is good at it. Detective Cain comes to mind...imo."

Aaahhh, yes.

Deputy Dawg...living proof that the test to be employed by Mickey D's is more difficult to pass than the OCSD exam.

[Nawny]

"Not every cop is good at it. Detective Cain comes to mind...imo."

Aaahhh, yes.

Deputy Dawg...living proof that the test to be employed by Mickey D's is more difficult to pass than the OCSD exam.

They way they behaved at the dep that day was a great view of their underbellies and their persona's in the home.. and even the rotted out mindless idiot they had for a daughter, had to escape them. That's pretty bad if she couldn't even stand them. She's a POS IMO and yet she was unearthed by the two of them. That house had to be worse than hell to live in.

What I think happened at the dep was, they expected sympathy and soft soaking treatment and they didn't get it. As we know, they want special treatment because they lost a granddaughter. They want to emotionally blackmail everyone and be treated with kit gloves. NOT! So they got hysterical when it didn't happen.

They both have this -HOW DARE YOU- attitude. It serves them well to be the grandparents of a dead child, unlike so many other's we see, like the Coleman mom and her kids' parents. Now the A's cannot trump that card. Now what will they do?

[Marian Paroo]

Not every cop is good at it. Detective Cain comes to mind...imo.

Who s/he?

[DrewBerry]

Nope, Walmart.

Good one, Deacon!
Also, just because George claims to be former LE, have we ever seen anything that proves he was more than a mall cop? (Not that I'm criticizing mall cops---it is one of those jobs that anyone can apply get w/o a degree, and formal LE credentials).
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

"Nope, Walmart."

Thank you, deacon!!!

I completely forgot about the Orlando Campus of Wally-World Community College!!!

I didn't realize they'd expanded to full law degrees, though.

"Maybe George was a lousy cop. What do we know about his history in LE? Or why he left? Besides to start up a business and be rich like the rest of his family at Cindy's behest? Guess that could all be rumor."

Probably right there, Loretta!

And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc.

Maybe that's why he left LE. He just SUCKED at it????

Hi Sam! ITA with you and Loretta. Not sure if we've ever learned if GA was a "real cop," if he was fired, quit, or whatever. Since his meltdown and subsequent time in the hospital for SI, my guess is that he is not that stable. Maybe he never was. . .my impression is that GA is not that bright. The Ants. are a family of secrets and lies. They blame everyone for all that has gone wrong in their lives. Nobody takes responsibility for anything in that bunch.
Cindy and the Liar are both is narcissistic nuts, IMO. GA should have stayed away while he had the chance.
DrewB

[samanthajane13]

Detective Cain is the officer who was sent to respond to Mr. Kronk's report of finding Caylee's body.

He supposedly went out more than once, failed to find anything, was sent out again to meet Kronk, and said he STILL didn't see anything suspicious-like the bag that Kronk spotted.

I believe the first time he went out, this ARMED officer saw a snake-may have been a DEAD snake-and basically high-tailed it out of the woods like a little girl.

"And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc."

I was referring to the fact that he never acted on those instincts and reported what he encountered.

[Marian Paroo]

Detective Cain is the officer who was sent to respond to Mr. Kronk's report of finding Caylee's body.

He supposedly went out more than once, failed to find anything, was sent out again to meet Kronk, and said he STILL didn't see anything suspicious-like the bag that Kronk spotted.

I believe the first time he went out, this ARMED officer saw a snake-may have been a DEAD snake-and basically high-tailed it out of the woods like a little girl.

"And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc."

I was referring to the fact that he never acted on those instincts and reported what he encountered.



Thanks.

And as for little girls, my ex would have been one little girl that would have ran to investigate anything stinkey with a snake around it -- had she been a cat, her curiosity would have killed her before age 6!

[samanthajane13]

"And as for little girls, my ex would have been one little girl that would have ran to investigate anything stinkey with a snake around it -- had she been a cat, her curiosity would have killed her before age 6!"


For the love of God-the man had a GUN!!! If he thought the snake was alive, he could have tossed a rock past it to see if it moved, and then SHOT IT!!!

And I'm an ANIMAL FREAK!

It was probably only a garter snake, too. Or maybe a corn snake.

Probably better that he didn't shoot it...I'd have to fly to Florida just to kick his azz for hurting a non-venomous snake just because he's a flaky wuss.

Anyway-he's a girly-man and I think he's either on administrative leave or he's been fired for blowing off the multiple searches they sent him on for Caylee's remains.

[Nawny]

Hi Sam! ITA with you and Loretta. Not sure if we've ever learned if GA was a "real cop," if he was fired, quit, or whatever. Since his meltdown and subsequent time in the hospital for SI, my guess is that he is not that stable. Maybe he never was. . .my impression is that GA is not that bright. The Ants. are a family of secrets and lies. They blame everyone for all that has gone wrong in their lives. Nobody takes responsibility for anything in that bunch.
Cindy and the Liar are both is narcissistic nuts, IMO. GA should have stayed away while he had the chance.
DrewB

Hey YOU!!! What happened? I read (can't find it now) you ended up in the hospital! See where stress gets ya? I'm so sorry Drew! Take it slow and don't entertain the stress from now on! You have a right to be happy and Nawny says, BE HAPPY! There is so much life and joy to see. It's just about everywhere, yeah! Even the A's are funny if you look hard enough. lol! I hope you're resting and healing. We missed you!

When all else fails, eat pasta! It fixes a lot! :hat:

[Gatordog]

Hi Sam! ITA with you and Loretta. Not sure if we've ever learned if GA was a "real cop," if he was fired, quit, or whatever. Since his meltdown and subsequent time in the hospital for SI, my guess is that he is not that stable. Maybe he never was. . .my impression is that GA is not that bright. The Ants. are a family of secrets and lies. They blame everyone for all that has gone wrong in their lives. Nobody takes responsibility for anything in that bunch.
Cindy and the Liar are both is narcissistic nuts, IMO. GA should have stayed away while he had the chance.
DrewB

What has been stated, but can't be taken as truth (what can? :shrug:) is that George hurt his knee severely while he was an officer and left the force. He had been on disability for a long time before his knee was operated on and was able to work full time. Just what has been said, who knows what is true.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hi Sam! ITA with you and Loretta. Not sure if we've ever learned if GA was a "real cop," if he was fired, quit, or whatever. Since his meltdown and subsequent time in the hospital for SI, my guess is that he is not that stable. Maybe he never was. . .my impression is that GA is not that bright. The Ants. are a family of secrets and lies. They blame everyone for all that has gone wrong in their lives. Nobody takes responsibility for anything in that bunch.
Cindy and the Liar are both is narcissistic nuts, IMO. GA should have stayed away while he had the chance.
DrewB

Hi Drew, hope you are recovering from your surgery. Get well quickly. As to George's meltdown. We have no proof that he actually had one. I never believed he broke down. IMO it was a stall tactic to keep from having to testify at the deposition. Don't you think it odd that when he was finally released, no other hospital would take him? We don't know what is in his medical record. No proof he even took any pills. Anyone could have an empty bottle with them, or take them and then vomit. No, I didn't buy it for a minute. And, he parks his car right in front of the hotel where it can be prominently seen from the street. In the news clip where he's being walked to the police car, he looks impeccably neat, well groomed, and coherent. I've known fastidious people and when they were depressed, you could tell: hair not tended to, not shaven, wears the same clothes day after day, if they even got dressed. Try making a depressed person change from their pajamas or night clothes into street clothes. It's not easy.

Gator

[deacon]

"And as for little girls, my ex would have been one little girl that would have ran to investigate anything stinkey with a snake around it -- had she been a cat, her curiosity would have killed her before age 6!"


For the love of God-the man had a GUN!!! If he thought the snake was alive, he could have tossed a rock past it to see if it moved, and then SHOT IT!!!

And I'm an ANIMAL FREAK!

It was probably only a garter snake, too. Or maybe a corn snake.

Probably better that he didn't shoot it...I'd have to fly to Florida just to kick his azz for hurting a non-venomous snake just because he's a flaky wuss.

Anyway-he's a girly-man and I think he's either on administrative leave or he's been fired for blowing off the multiple searches they sent him on for Caylee's remains.


That would have required him to be able to hit what he was shooting at.:eek: I've seen some policemen shoot. Couldn't hit the road side of a barn with a bass fiddle.

[BeastofBears]

"And as for little girls, my ex would have been one little girl that would have ran to investigate anything stinkey with a snake around it -- had she been a cat, her curiosity would have killed her before age 6!"


For the love of God-the man had a GUN!!! If he thought the snake was alive, he could have tossed a rock past it to see if it moved, and then SHOT IT!!!

And I'm an ANIMAL FREAK!

It was probably only a garter snake, too. Or maybe a corn snake.

Probably better that he didn't shoot it...I'd have to fly to Florida just to kick his azz for hurting a non-venomous snake just because he's a flaky wuss.

Anyway-he's a girly-man and I think he's either on administrative leave or he's been fired for blowing off the multiple searches they sent him on for Caylee's remains.

It might not have been non-venomous-remember Kronk found a big fat rattlesnake there. I bet there was tons of rodent activity drawing tons more snakes.

That said: It was his job to deal with it!!!!!! Even if it was a venom-spitting, 8 foot long King Cobra.

imo

[Nawny]

Hi Drew, hope you are recovering from your surgery. Get well quickly. As to George's meltdown. We have no proof that he actually had one. I never believed he broke down. IMO it was a stall tactic to keep from having to testify at the deposition. Don't you think it odd that when he was finally released, no other hospital would take him? We don't know what is in his medical record. No proof he even took any pills. Anyone could have an empty bottle with them, or take them and then vomit. No, I didn't buy it for a minute. And, he parks his car right in front of the hotel where it can be prominently seen from the street. In the news clip where he's being walked to the police car, he looks impeccably neat, well groomed, and coherent. I've known fastidious people and when they were depressed, you could tell: hair not tended to, not shaved, wears the same clothes day after day, if they even got dressed. Try making a depressed person change from their pajamas or night clothes into street clothes. It's not easy.

Gator

Quite right about depression Gator! Under the cloak of depression, you can barely peek out to go to the store for a gallon of milk, never mind go get a hotel room. If he wasn't faking for media hype, then he was a coward for leaving his fractured family in the lurch. Take a right under that bus Cindy and Lee. I never liked George. I think he's another screaming skull like his soul mate. Not my kinda man, nope.

If you say that one more time I'm walking outta here.
I'm walking outta here.
Please don't' do that to me again sir, or I'm walking right outta here.
YES YOU DID!
I'm not answering that
I'll walk right outta here

How old is he? Five?

[Nawny]

It might not have been non-venomous-remember Kronk found a big fat rattlesnake there. I bet there was tons of rodent activity drawing tons more snakes.

That said: It was his job to deal with it!!!!!! Even if it was a venom-spitting, 8 foot long King Cobra.

imo


Job? Hmmmm, job. Don't get me started on America's work force. There is about a 25% group of sensible, responsible people holding this country together with efficient work performance. Thank you people! That jackass shouldn't even be hired to flip burgers. He's a total example of our problem in this country. Flip off the important stuff.. yep. I'm so glad he's become the icon for poor work performance. He's famous, yayus! lol! A great power of example for our up and coming young adults. The new work force will be aware, I'm sure. That's my hope.

When I was in NYC in October, I was sitting in a coffee shop in Manhattan and noticed a man cleaning the trays at the coffee counter. He was cleaning them repeatedly for some minutes. (Sort of obsessively) It occurred to me that he was grateful for his job, however humble. Times are bad, jobs are scarce. I tell ya, you could have done surgery on those trays.

[BeastofBears]

Job? Hmmmm, job. Don't get me started on America's work force. There is about a 25% group of sensible, responsible people holding this country together with efficient work performance. Thank you people! That jackass shouldn't even be hired to flip burgers. He's a total example of our problem in this country. Flip off the important stuff.. yep. I'm so glad he's become the icon for poor work performance. He's famous, yayus! lol! A great power of example for our up and coming young adults. The new work force will be aware, I'm sure. That's my hope.

When I was in NYC in October, I was sitting in a coffee shop in Manhattan and noticed a man cleaning the trays at the coffee counter. He was cleaning them repeatedly for some minutes. (Sort of obsessively) It occurred to me that he was grateful for his job, however humble. Times are bad, jobs are scarce. I tell ya, you could have done surgery on those trays.

And you know what? Someone will notice and he'll get promoted or hired away. And someone else will think, why not me? We know.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Sam! ITA with you and Loretta. Not sure if we've ever learned if GA was a "real cop," if he was fired, quit, or whatever. Since his meltdown and subsequent time in the hospital for SI, my guess is that he is not that stable. Maybe he never was. . .my impression is that GA is not that bright. The Ants. are a family of secrets and lies. They blame everyone for all that has gone wrong in their lives. Nobody takes responsibility for anything in that bunch.
Cindy and the Liar are both is narcissistic nuts, IMO. GA should have stayed away while he had the chance.
DrewB

Hey Drew! Long time no :seeya:

I've googled around and can't find anything to verify that George is or was former LE. But it looks like if he wasn't we'd have heard about it by now. I'd love to know the details o his leaving, though. Quit? Fired? Or just moving on? I've read that he was a detective. :shrug:

As far as I can tell, George was cooperative and honest with the investigation at the onset (July), but sometime in August is when he first referred to the odor in the car as bad pizza. So whatever happened happened in short order. Can anyone else narrow this down? Maybe G&C's myriad TV appearances will help us suss this out. Was the pizza comment the first clue that we had that George was in denial?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Drew, hope you are recovering from your surgery. Get well quickly. As to George's meltdown. We have no proof that he actually had one. I never believed he broke down. IMO it was a stall tactic to keep from having to testify at the deposition. Don't you think it odd that when he was finally released, no other hospital would take him? We don't know what is in his medical record. No proof he even took any pills. Anyone could have an empty bottle with them, or take them and then vomit. No, I didn't buy it for a minute. And, he parks his car right in front of the hotel where it can be prominently seen from the street. In the news clip where he's being walked to the police car, he looks impeccably neat, well groomed, and coherent. I've known fastidious people and when they were depressed, you could tell: hair not tended to, not shaven, wears the same clothes day after day, if they even got dressed. Try making a depressed person change from their pajamas or night clothes into street clothes. It's not easy.

Gator

Drew, didn't realize that you had surgery. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!

The suicide attempt raises my hinky meter for a couple of reasons, and you're right, his appearance when he was taken into custody was pretty neat for someone on the brink. The other thing that ugs me is that Cindy and Brad waited so long to contact LE, and when they finally did, it was Brad making the call. George had been on his way to a job interview that day; you'd think Cindy would have been all up in his grill trying to find out whether or not he was gainfully employed.

Thanks for the reminder that G had been on disability after injuring his knee.

[deacon]

Quite right about depression Gator! Under the cloak of depression, you can barely peek out to go to the store for a gallon of milk, never mind go get a hotel room. If he wasn't faking for media hype, then he was a coward for leaving his fractured family in the lurch. Take a right under that bus Cindy and Lee. I never liked George. I think he's another screaming skull like his soul mate. Not my kinda man, nope.

If you say that one more time I'm walking outta here.
I'm walking outta here.
Please don't' do that to me again sir, or I'm walking right outta here.
YES YOU DID!
I'm not answering that
I'll walk right outta here

How old is he? Five?

I thought that was called the "terrible twos"

[JLette]

Hey Drew! Long time no :seeya:

I've googled around and can't find anything to verify that George is or was former LE. But it looks like if he wasn't we'd have heard about it by now. I'd love to know the details o his leaving, though. Quit? Fired? Or just moving on? I've read that he was a detective. :shrug:

As far as I can tell, George was cooperative and honest with the investigation at the onset (July), but sometime in August is when he first referred to the odor in the car as bad pizza. So whatever happened happened in short order. Can anyone else narrow this down? Maybe G&C's myriad TV appearances will help us suss this out. Was the pizza comment the first clue that we had that George was in denial?

i don't remember WHERE i heard it exactly but i heard somewhere that George was a cop in Ohio but when Cyndi became pregnant with Casey she decided that it wasn't safe for him to be a police officer anymore and demanded that he go into the car dealership with his family. I believe it was shortly after that that he got into whatever fight with his father and put his father through the glass door and then shortly after THAT i am pretty sure they moved to Florida. Not sure how much of that is true and how much is rumor or speculation, but that is what i heard either online or on tv somewhere lol

[deacon]

i don't remember WHERE i heard it exactly but i heard somewhere that George was a cop in Ohio but when Cyndi became pregnant with Casey she decided that it wasn't safe for him to be a police officer anymore and demanded that he go into the car dealership with his family. I believe it was shortly after that that he got into whatever fight with his father and put his father through the glass door and then shortly after THAT i am pretty sure they moved to Florida. Not sure how much of that is true and how much is rumor or speculation, but that is what i heard either online or on tv somewhere lol

WAYYYYYY back at the begining I remember that too. I think it was discussed or reported here somewhere. If he did that to his father, they didn't need him as a police officer. Emotions like that will get you in big trouble as a police officer.

[DrewBerry]

Hi Drew, hope you are recovering from your surgery. Get well quickly. As to George's meltdown. We have no proof that he actually had one. I never believed he broke down. IMO it was a stall tactic to keep from having to testify at the deposition. Don't you think it odd that when he was finally released, no other hospital would take him? We don't know what is in his medical record. No proof he even took any pills. Anyone could have an empty bottle with them, or take them and then vomit. No, I didn't buy it for a minute. And, he parks his car right in front of the hotel where it can be prominently seen from the street. In the news clip where he's being walked to the police car, he looks impeccably neat, well groomed, and coherent. I've known fastidious people and when they were depressed, you could tell: hair not tended to, not shaven, wears the same clothes day after day, if they even got dressed. Try making a depressed person change from their pajamas or night clothes into street clothes. It's not easy.

Gator

Hey Gator! Thanks for the well wishes. I'm slowly improving---have so missed everyone here and appreciate all the kind words you all have sent.
As for George's "meltdown" etc. ITA with ya, G. He didn't appear to be that despondent, depressed or even the slightest suicidal. These Ants. can fake anything! Look at their daughter (and son for that matter)! The parents have been master role models haven't they? I agree that George staged it, exaggerated it and for the life of me, can't figure out why ANY hospital would keep him THAT long (wasn't he there for over 1 wk.?). He probably had good medical insurance otherwise they discharge asap because of costs, liability, etc.
You and Nawny bring up good points about true depression and feeling hopeless. Remember, George claimed "he wanted to go be with Caylee"?? That was all fabricated to delay the depos. IMO, the whole damn "meltdown" was staged and hope this all comes out in the trial.
I'm so damn sick of George carrying on and rubbing Caylee's photo, and acting all "broken". WTF? How many men do we all know that carry on in public like this idiot? Be a man, George. Grow a pair. Step up and defend that innocent little girl your gorgeous, princess killed. Coward.:flamemad:
DrewB
:biggrin:(Oh, my. . .I'm ranting again. Must be feeling better; the haterade is working!)

[BeastofBears]

imo, Mark Klaas is a MAN, so is John Walsh. Real men are men of action.

[DrewBerry]

Hey YOU!!! What happened? I read (can't find it now) you ended up in the hospital! See where stress gets ya? I'm so sorry Drew! Take it slow and don't entertain the stress from now on! You have a right to be happy and Nawny says, BE HAPPY! There is so much life and joy to see. It's just about everywhere, yeah! Even the A's are funny if you look hard enough. lol! I hope you're resting and healing. We missed you!

When all else fails, eat pasta! It fixes a lot! :hat:

Hey, Nawny! Had the old gall bladder removed. Went to ER; they took me to surgery immediately. Was there for about a week. I'm slowly getting there.
But YOU are sooooo right my dear about stress. Also, Pasta is my favorite comfort food!
Talk later,
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew! Long time no :seeya:

I've googled around and can't find anything to verify that George is or was former LE. But it looks like if he wasn't we'd have heard about it by now. I'd love to know the details o his leaving, though. Quit? Fired? Or just moving on? I've read that he was a detective. :shrug:

As far as I can tell, George was cooperative and honest with the investigation at the onset (July), but sometime in August is when he first referred to the odor in the car as bad pizza. So whatever happened happened in short order. Can anyone else narrow this down? Maybe G&C's myriad TV appearances will help us suss this out. Was the pizza comment the first clue that we had that George was in denial?

Hi Loretta! :seeya: I think you're right about last Aug. when George was ordered by Cindy to change stories about the odor. So, why was George initially cooperative and honest in July but things shifted in Aug. With all the excellent memories and minds here, we'll get it.
I tried to like George in the beginning, but just couldn't do it. I still don't like him. He's creepy. They're all crazies!
DrewB

[old_soul]

Hey Drew! Just saw you had GB surgery..after you heal, you will be better than ever..I was. BTW, any chance you also had a hiatial hernia or problems like that? More later..let me know. (I don't miss mine, you won't either! :))

I'd like to think G was a different man at one time. Living with a controlling person can make someone the way he is. Add in having a troublesome daughter like CMA, the murder of Caylee and it's a recipe for a beaten man...we are seeing the results. Maybe at one time he was just a nice easygoing guy who didn't like conflict. My DH is like that..truly just a nice man....I tell him, "see, you needed someone like Cindy, she'd have you finishing off the projects in this house in one week!" LOL...told him she'd get the whip out and he'd move it hahaha. He gives me that look..:rolleyes:

G is just whipped...2 CMA's will do that to anyone...:eek:

Feel Better!! Good to have you back!

[lorettalockhorn]

i don't remember WHERE i heard it exactly but i heard somewhere that George was a cop in Ohio but when Cyndi became pregnant with Casey she decided that it wasn't safe for him to be a police officer anymore and demanded that he go into the car dealership with his family. I believe it was shortly after that that he got into whatever fight with his father and put his father through the glass door and then shortly after THAT i am pretty sure they moved to Florida. Not sure how much of that is true and how much is rumor or speculation, but that is what i heard either online or on tv somewhere lol

Thanks, J. I'd heard about the plate glass incident and I can believe it having seen his temper (which is only eclipsed by Cindy's. And Casey's.). But didn't realize that it had been so long since he was an officer. Wonder how long he was on the force?

Oh well. Maybe it will be in any number of books that will be written.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Loretta! :seeya: I think you're right about last Aug. when George was ordered by Cindy to change stories about the odor. So, why was George initially cooperative and honest in July but things shifted in Aug. With all the excellent memories and minds here, we'll get it.
I tried to like George in the beginning, but just couldn't do it. I still don't like him. He's creepy. They're all crazies!
DrewB

Drew, so glad you're on the mend. I've heard that getting rid of a bad gallbladder will change your life for the better!

Some night when sleep won't come I'll try to go back and catch G&C's public appearances/statements to narrow down when he was castrated.

[DrewBerry]

Drew, so glad you're on the mend. I've heard that getting rid of a bad gallbladder will change your life for the better!

Some night when sleep won't come I'll try to go back and catch G&C's public appearances/statements to narrow down when he was castrated.

Hey, Loretta! Ha, ha! :beer:I wonder how many times G has been castrated over the years of their marriage?!!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

i don't remember WHERE i heard it exactly but i heard somewhere that George was a cop in Ohio but when Cyndi became pregnant with Casey she decided that it wasn't safe for him to be a police officer anymore and demanded that he go into the car dealership with his family. I believe it was shortly after that that he got into whatever fight with his father and put his father through the glass door and then shortly after THAT i am pretty sure they moved to Florida. Not sure how much of that is true and how much is rumor or speculation, but that is what i heard either online or on tv somewhere lol

Thanks for the info, J!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew! Just saw you had GB surgery..after you heal, you will be better than ever..I was. BTW, any chance you also had a hiatial hernia or problems like that? More later..let me know. (I don't miss mine, you won't either! :))

I'd like to think G was a different man at one time. Living with a controlling person can make someone the way he is. Add in having a troublesome daughter like CMA, the murder of Caylee and it's a recipe for a beaten man...we are seeing the results. Maybe at one time he was just a nice easygoing guy who didn't like conflict. My DH is like that..truly just a nice man....I tell him, "see, you needed someone like Cindy, she'd have you finishing off the projects in this house in one week!" LOL...told him she'd get the whip out and he'd move it hahaha. He gives me that look..:rolleyes:

G is just whipped...2 CMA's will do that to anyone...:eek:

Feel Better!! Good to have you back!

Thanks, OS! It's good to be back. I'm hoping I will be a new woman since having the GB removed.
Very funny! George is double-whipped by CMA's! I agree he is a beaten man but. . .his choice. If a murdered grandbaby doesn't snap the whips back where they belong, nothing will. He's more than whipped; he's a liar just like the other 3.
Good to see ya!:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Quite right about depression Gator! Under the cloak of depression, you can barely peek out to go to the store for a gallon of milk, never mind go get a hotel room. If he wasn't faking for media hype, then he was a coward for leaving his fractured family in the lurch. Take a right under that bus Cindy and Lee. I never liked George. I think he's another screaming skull like his soul mate. Not my kinda man, nope.

If you say that one more time I'm walking outta here.
I'm walking outta here.
Please don't' do that to me again sir, or I'm walking right outta here.
YES YOU DID!
I'm not answering that
I'll walk right outta here

How old is he? Five?

Nawny, dontcha just cringe when you see Georgie Boy throwing his tantrums?! I mean, really. . .George needs to be sent to time out.
I am convinced that BC does not care about his clients or he would have reined them in a long time ago. He's just along for the publicity ride and book deal so he can get himself a "new set of wheels."
DrewB

[Amy]

"I think, instead of researching the doc dumps, Cindy would have done well to look into exactly what a depo is. She possibly would have learned that the witnesses do not control or lead the depo. The witnesses are there to answer the questions. I really think she tho't she and George could just go in and take charge. After all, they ARE the ANTHONY's !!!!!!"

Okay-I know that Cindy thinks she's entitled to be Queen, but you'd think that Conway would have prepared his clients for the depos, and warned them that their previous hostility would not fly in a legal proceeding.

This guy is just as stupid as Baez-if not MORE SO!!!

At the rate they're all going, not only is the Skank gonna get the DP, but George, Cindy, and probably Lee, too, are going to end up serving time for contempt charges.

This is all well and good as far as I'm concerned, but DAMN!!! How does this guy justify his fees for (mis-)representing them???

Where the Hell did he get his Law degree???

The University of Pluto???

Even if George isn't capable of acting in professional manner befitting a LEO, Conway isn't doing any of them any favors by letting them act like morons.

He should be dis-barred.

Bolding mine.

IMO, it wouldn't matter WHAT Conway told the A's about how to act. Perhaps he DID try to prepare them, but THEY felt they knew how to conduct themselves in such a way as to prevent M&M getting ANY info from them.

The reason I don't exactly blame Conway for "allowing" them to act in any particular way is because of NeJames. It seems HE was trying to help the A's in pretty much the same way, likely telling them not to have their faces on the evening news every day and to not appear on every talk show (or @ least trying to guide them in what to say, how to say it, and what not to say.) NeJames threw in the towel, IMO, because the A's are not receptive to any advice (and that's what it boils down to) that doesn't let them do what they want.

That being said, I think Conway would do himself a big favor by following NeJames in firing the A's as clients. To not follow one or two pieces of advice, okay. But, if he advised them against all the things they have been doing and saying, I'd sure take the nearest exit. But, maybe Conway feels like he earns his money advising them, regardless of whether or not they take that advice.:shrug: IMO, he sure looks the fool for going on the shows and giving interviews where he seems to try to defend their actions and words.

[deacon]

Thanks, OS! It's good to be back. I'm hoping I will be a new woman since having the GB removed.
Very funny! George is double-whipped by CMA's! I agree he is a beaten man but. . .his choice. If a murdered grandbaby doesn't snap the whips back where they belong, nothing will. He's more than whipped; he's a liar just like the other 3.
Good to see ya!:seeya:
DrewB

He needs to go for a trail walk like our govenor did. Oh, wait, then he would have to come back. Not if I were him. As I once told my wife longgggggggg time ago, speak like you want me to speak to you. He He. If you are nice to me with the way you talk I will be nice in return. If I were George I feel I would have left long time ago. See ya!

[Amy]

"Nope, Walmart."

Thank you, deacon!!!

I completely forgot about the Orlando Campus of Wally-World Community College!!!

I didn't realize they'd expanded to full law degrees, though.

"Maybe George was a lousy cop. What do we know about his history in LE? Or why he left? Besides to start up a business and be rich like the rest of his family at Cindy's behest? Guess that could all be rumor."

Probably right there, Loretta!

And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc.

Maybe that's why he left LE. He just SUCKED at it????

The police officer (currently Sheriff or Chief of Police, or was when quoted) from Ohio who confirmed that George was a homicide detective stated that George was a good detective. Of course, that is what the fellow said to reporters, but does not have to actually be the truth. Just the truth in this fellow's eyes, or that he wanted to paint a positive picture of the poor grieving grandfather. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

The police officer (currently Sheriff or Chief of Police, or was when quoted) from Ohio who confirmed that George was a homicide detective stated that George was a good detective. Of course, that is what the fellow said to reporters, but does not have to actually be the truth. Just the truth in this fellow's eyes, or that he wanted to paint a positive picture of the poor grieving grandfather. IMO

Thanks, Amy. Good to know.

So if George is around 56 or 57 and he left LE when Casey was born, that would make him mid 30s when he left LE. I wonder how long he was an officer and how long it took him to make detective, what his rank was, etc.

[DrewBerry]

He needs to go for a trail walk like our govenor did. Oh, wait, then he would have to come back. Not if I were him. As I once told my wife longgggggggg time ago, speak like you want me to speak to you. He He. If you are nice to me with the way you talk I will be nice in return. If I were George I feel I would have left long time ago. See ya!

Yeah, take a hike, George!
As for the great governor of SC: I hope his wife doesn't wimp out and hide behind her religion to take him back.Too many women standin' behind their man.
JMO.
DrewB

[deacon]

Yeah, take a hike, George!
As for the great governor of SC: I hope his wife doesn't wimp out and hide behind her religion to take him back.Too many women standin' behind their man.
JMO.
DrewB

If she takes him back (and I ain't betting on it) it won't have anything to do with religion.

[samanthajane13]

"That being said, I think Conway would do himself a big favor by following NeJames in firing the A's as clients. To not follow one or two pieces of advice, okay. But, if he advised them against all the things they have been doing and saying, I'd sure take the nearest exit. But, maybe Conway feels like he earns his money advising them, regardless of whether or not they take that advice. IMO, he sure looks the fool for going on the shows and giving interviews where he seems to try to defend their actions and words."

I agree, Amy!

If I were Conway, I'd have jumped ship the day the RATS TOOK OVER!!

Maybe his career and self-esteem mean nothing to him, and he's just in it for the bucks?

[BeastofBears]

"That being said, I think Conway would do himself a big favor by following NeJames in firing the A's as clients. To not follow one or two pieces of advice, okay. But, if he advised them against all the things they have been doing and saying, I'd sure take the nearest exit. But, maybe Conway feels like he earns his money advising them, regardless of whether or not they take that advice. IMO, he sure looks the fool for going on the shows and giving interviews where he seems to try to defend their actions and words."

I agree, Amy!

If I were Conway, I'd have jumped ship the day the RATS TOOK OVER!!

Maybe his career and self-esteem mean nothing to him, and he's just in it for the bucks?

Is there something in the bar ethics codes that say you can't leave a client in need? Because they have bigger stuff going on now than when Nejames was there, imo...

[lorettalockhorn]

Just wondering if Conway gets any bucks, let alone big ones. Do the Ants really have any income at this point? Seems like I read a whort while back that George had gone for a job interview, but haven't heard the upshot of it. Let alone what the job was. Think I also read that Cindy's nursing license has expired. So is Lee paying the mortgage these days?

Had pretty high hopes for Brad Conway at the beginning of his association with G&C (that he would corral those two), but at this point not so much.

New wheels. Drew. tsk tsk. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Is there something in the bar ethics codes that say you can't leave a client in need? Because they have bigger stuff going on now than when Nejames was there, imo...

Seems like there are instances where attorneys aren't allowed to fire themselves, but since G&C don't have any charges leveled at them what's to stop him from abandoning ship? Maybe he simply doesn't think that their behavior(s) is that outre. :shrug::confused:

[DrewBerry]

"That being said, I think Conway would do himself a big favor by following NeJames in firing the A's as clients. To not follow one or two pieces of advice, okay. But, if he advised them against all the things they have been doing and saying, I'd sure take the nearest exit. But, maybe Conway feels like he earns his money advising them, regardless of whether or not they take that advice. IMO, he sure looks the fool for going on the shows and giving interviews where he seems to try to defend their actions and words."

I agree, Amy!

If I were Conway, I'd have jumped ship the day the RATS TOOK OVER!!

Maybe his career and self-esteem mean nothing to him, and he's just in it for the bucks?


ITA with ya, Sam and Amy. BC sure does look the fool. But he deserves it if he's letting Cindy call all the shots. The Ants. don't take advice. They don't need attorneys; they need psychiatrists. Wonder where slobber-lips Lee has been?! Sure seems like he's staying as far away from parents as possible. Maybe his lawyer is competent? :confused:
DrewB

[tv]

Just wondering if Conway gets any bucks, let alone big ones. Do the Ants really have any income at this point? Seems like I read a whort while back that George had gone for a job interview, but haven't heard the upshot of it. Let alone what the job was. Think I also read that Cindy's nursing license has expired. So is Lee paying the mortgage these days?

Had pretty high hopes for Brad Conway at the beginning of his association with G&C (that he would corral those two), but at this point not so much.

New wheels. Drew. tsk tsk. :hat:

I can't see Conway getting any bucks. I haven't seen any sign of these people working but who knows? Out of curiosity I looked up Cindy's nursing license and it doesn't expire until 4/2011. I was thinking maybe they could use the boat to make money -- use it for tours, scuba diving, become fisherman...? :)

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASINDI.ASP?LicId=94605&ProfNBR=1701

[DrewBerry]

I can't see Conway getting any bucks. I haven't seen any sign of these people working but who knows? Out of curiosity I looked up Cindy's nursing license and it doesn't expire until 4/2011. I was thinking maybe they could use the boat to make money -- use it for tours, scuba diving, become fisherman...? :)

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASINDI.ASP?LicId=94605&ProfNBR=1701

Ha, Ha! Very funny, TV! :beer:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Just wondering if Conway gets any bucks, let alone big ones. Do the Ants really have any income at this point? Seems like I read a whort while back that George had gone for a job interview, but haven't heard the upshot of it. Let alone what the job was. Think I also read that Cindy's nursing license has expired. So is Lee paying the mortgage these days?

Had pretty high hopes for Brad Conway at the beginning of his association with G&C (that he would corral those two), but at this point not so much.

New wheels. Drew. tsk tsk. :hat:

Loretta, I know. . .couldn't help myself on that one. Must be all the haterade I've been drinking since leaving that hospital bed.
Hope I did not offend anyone :o
DrewB

[Nawny]

And you know what? Someone will notice and he'll get promoted or hired away. And someone else will think, why not me? We know.

Interesting that you should say that. I've noticed that those who work anywhere, and do a good job get promoted to manager fast lately. When I was at the Orlando airport a young girl about 20 years old asked me for a cigarette outside on the wait walk. She struck up a conversation with me.

She explained that she worked at the luggage line and after two weeks they promoted her to manager and she was scared, but was glad because she didn't have to break her back anymore. Her new position included helping direct people. I wondered why they promoted that witless wonder to manager... she was a dip! I asked her why she thought they did that. She said, "Um, I worked?"

Blink.

[Nawny]

Nawny, dontcha just cringe when you see Georgie Boy throwing his tantrums?! I mean, really. . .George needs to be sent to time out.
I am convinced that BC does not care about his clients or he would have reined them in a long time ago. He's just along for the publicity ride and book deal so he can get himself a "new set of wheels."
DrewB

I used to feel so much pity for George. But his lack of humility makes me cringe ...yep. I get that his life has been ravaged by Cindy and Casey and I get that the loss of Caylee has to be horrendous (knowing she was murdered)
I still feel for all of them, bad or not. BUT- the more I read and hear, the more I get the sense that George was a real ass/hole before any of this stuff happened.

I remember the comment Lee made when he was being filmed talking to Tony in his car. He implied that George was not so nice. I also remember the in house fighting with his kids and the cheating he did. He's the one who filed for a divorce. He came back and let the Grinch support him, it seems. I no longer see him as a victim. And all his lying didn't help him look any better than the Grinch.

Yes he was supporting LE when the news of Caylee's disappearance was learned, and yes he attacked liar the night after she got home and wouldn't talk. Remember he said, "What have you done with my granddaughter?" Then he did the 180. He's a broken man but he needs to give in to the truth as he knows it. He doesn't seem to trust his future without the one who butters his bread so he agrees with her.

I'm waiting for liar to point the finger at daddy and make him part of the problem.... I predict she is going after him and the Grinch as the reason she ran away.


It wasn't me!
Yes it was, I saw you!
You're mistaken, It wasn't me!
Was too!
Was not!
I saw you!
Was not me!
There is physical evidence that it was you!
Well, maybe it was me.
But....................they.....

JMOO

[Nawny]

Nawny, dontcha just cringe when you see Georgie Boy throwing his tantrums?! I mean, really. . .George needs to be sent to time out.
I am convinced that BC does not care about his clients or he would have reined them in a long time ago. He's just along for the publicity ride and book deal so he can get himself a "new set of wheels."
DrewB

Yeah some w/h/o/r/e's have wheels. He's a jerk.

[Nawny]

imo, mark klaas is a man, so is john walsh. Real men are men of action.

amen!!!!!!!!

[Nawny]

Hey, Nawny! Had the old gall bladder removed. Went to ER; they took me to surgery immediately. Was there for about a week. I'm slowly getting there.
But YOU are sooooo right my dear about stress. Also, Pasta is my favorite comfort food!
Talk later,
DrewB

:) Yes pasta fixes me up right quick. When I am in the hospital I meditate about it. ;) Food is my favorite pastime. I can still hear my mother, "You gotta eat!" But Ma! I'm bleeding to death! Nevah mind that, you gotta eat!
;)

[Nawny]

He needs to go for a trail walk like our govenor did. Oh, wait, then he would have to come back. Not if I were him. As I once told my wife longgggggggg time ago, speak like you want me to speak to you. He He. If you are nice to me with the way you talk I will be nice in return. If I were George I feel I would have left long time ago. See ya!

He can't leave his meal ticket. IMO And meal tickets run the show. No free lunch baby!

[Nawny]

Yeah, take a hike, George!
As for the great governor of SC: I hope his wife doesn't wimp out and hide behind her religion to take him back.Too many women standin' behind their man.
JMO.DrewB

True! But the problem is, there are other woman standing behind their man too! lol!

Remember the Karate Kid? When Mr Miagi said, "Walk on left -good. Walk on Right- Good! Walk in middle; Squish like grape!"

[Native Alien]

So I am sitting out on the back stoop having a cigarette, looking at a piece of trash that one of the birds had dropped that still had some food stuff on it and it hit me.

Had the duct tape not been firmly attached to the skeleton by the hair, birds would have picked it up and carried it off. Or the wind would have gotten it and blown it away.

So for the Anthonys to say that she wasn't there that long is just bs.

[Nawny]

So I am sitting out on the back stoop having a cigarette, looking at a piece of trash that one of the birds had dropped that still had some food stuff on it and it hit me.

Had the duct tape not been firmly attached to the skeleton by the hair, birds would have picked it up and carried it off. Or the wind would have gotten it and blown it away.

So for the Anthony's to say that she wasn't there that long is just bs.

Agree NA. It's amazing that the tape was still firmly attached to the skull. It had to be very tightly wrapped. The A's are treading water aren't they? They are viciously holding on to their killer. I'll say it again and I'll megaflop if I'm wrong.. Liar isn't done with them yet. She has nothing to lose if she blames them for all of this.

[Mojo]

Agree NA. It's amazing that the tape was still firmly attached to the skull. It had to be very tightly wrapped. The A's are treading water aren't they? They are viciously holding on to their killer. I'll say it again and I'll megaflop if I'm wrong.. Liar isn't done with them yet. She has nothing to lose if she blames them for all of this.

I think you are right. She will get up there and say that Cindy is Zanny and she will have everyone testify that the only person to ever watch Caylee was Cindy. 99% of the time. She will be in a pickle then.

[JLette]

I think you are right. She will get up there and say that Cindy is Zanny and she will have everyone testify that the only person to ever watch Caylee was Cindy. 99% of the time. She will be in a pickle then.


is it possible that the jury would believe that? i mean, granted everyone knows that cyndi always watched caylee and as far as anyone else knows no one else did, but does it sound plausible?

"I left Caylee with my mom and told her i was going to work and i went to a party, when i came back Caylee was dead and my mom said if i didn't keep my mouth shut she would....." i just don't buy it. i know cyndi is a lying vindictive bit*h but for gods sake i really don't see her hurting that little girl, maybe her daughter but never caylee...:shrug: i think even if she tries that route the jury isn't going to buy it

[BeastofBears]

is it possible that the jury would believe that? i mean, granted everyone knows that cyndi always watched caylee and as far as anyone else knows no one else did, but does it sound plausible?

"I left Caylee with my mom and told her i was going to work and i went to a party, when i came back Caylee was dead and my mom said if i didn't keep my mouth shut she would....." i just don't buy it. i know cyndi is a lying vindictive bit*h but for gods sake i really don't see her hurting that little girl, maybe her daughter but never caylee...:shrug: i think even if she tries that route the jury isn't going to buy it

One thing I do not doubt is that Cindy loved Caylee, George too. But it actually makes more sense for Casey to lay it at her door than the imaginanny, imo. At least Cindy exists and has admitted taking care of Caylee. But I know CA did not harm her and would not harm her. But Cindy won't look good in those depos to a jury, very defensive and offensive, imo.

[deacon]

One thing I do not doubt is that Cindy loved Caylee, George too. But it actually makes more sense for Casey to lay it at her door than the imaginanny, imo. At least Cindy exists and has admitted taking care of Caylee. But I know CA did not harm her and would not harm her. But Cindy won't look good in those depos to a jury, very defensive and offensive, imo.

Boy, if casey does that I will have to see that on tv. I want to see how many deputies it takes to pull her off of casey's rump.:eek:

[JLette]

One thing I do not doubt is that Cindy loved Caylee, George too. But it actually makes more sense for Casey to lay it at her door than the imaginanny, imo. At least Cindy exists and has admitted taking care of Caylee. But I know CA did not harm her and would not harm her. But Cindy won't look good in those depos to a jury, very defensive and offensive, imo.


quite frankly, i think that Caylee was the only thing in the world besides herself that Cyndi DID love! I wonder if the thought has already crossed her mind that her daughter might be trying to set her up for this, maybe that's part of why she is so freakin loony now. the depos do not look good for either her or George but I don't think they would point to her being guilty of anything except lying to save her daughters azz. maybe she thinks that if she keeps on sticking up for Casey then Casey won't throw her under the bus....which if that is the case then she is more in denial than anyone could imagine.

[lorettalockhorn]

I can't see Conway getting any bucks. I haven't seen any sign of these people working but who knows? Out of curiosity I looked up Cindy's nursing license and it doesn't expire until 4/2011. I was thinking maybe they could use the boat to make money -- use it for tours, scuba diving, become fisherman...? :)

http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/IRM00PRAES/PRASINDI.ASP?LicId=94605&ProfNBR=1701

Thanks TV! This was the source in May.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/cindy-anthony-nurse-license-expired/

I guess Cindy got on the stick and renewed. I think most people keep a license up to date even when on leave. Wondering where the harridan might find a job when/if she decides to go back to work.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, I know. . .couldn't help myself on that one. Must be all the haterade I've been drinking since leaving that hospital bed.
Hope I did not offend anyone :o
DrewB

hehehe Surprised there's enough Haterade to go around.

No offense taken here!

[lorettalockhorn]

I used to feel so much pity for George. But his lack of humility makes me cringe ...yep. I get that his life has been ravaged by Cindy and Casey and I get that the loss of Caylee has to be horrendous (knowing she was murdered)
I still feel for all of them, bad or not. BUT- the more I read and hear, the more I get the sense that George was a real ass/hole before any of this stuff happened.

I remember the comment Lee made when he was being filmed talking to Tony in his car. He implied that George was not so nice. I also remember the in house fighting with his kids and the cheating he did. He's the one who filed for a divorce. He came back and let the Grinch support him, it seems. I no longer see him as a victim. And all his lying didn't help him look any better than the Grinch.

Yes he was supporting LE when the news of Caylee's disappearance was learned, and yes he attacked liar the night after she got home and wouldn't talk. Remember he said, "What have you done with my granddaughter?" Then he did the 180. He's a broken man but he needs to give in to the truth as he knows it. He doesn't seem to trust his future without the one who butters his bread so he agrees with her.

I'm waiting for liar to point the finger at daddy and make him part of the problem.... I predict she is going after him and the Grinch as the reason she ran away.


It wasn't me!
Yes it was, I saw you!
You're mistaken, It wasn't me!
Was too!
Was not!
I saw you!
Was not me!
There is physical evidence that it was you!
Well, maybe it was me.
But....................they.....

JMOO

This whole family seems co-dependent, but I haven't quite figured out what the driving force is aside from all the lying. Or maybe it's the money issues. As for Cindy supporting George, it seems likely to me that that's the way they both want it. Cindy didn't want to be strapped with alimony and didn't want to give up the house to pay him a divorce settlement, so they came to an agreement. He'd be the house husband taken whatever picayune job he could, and she'd wear the pants in the family. That's my simple exchange theory reasoning. They did a cost-benefit analysis and couldn't afford to get rid of each other.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think you are right. She will get up there and say that Cindy is Zanny and she will have everyone testify that the only person to ever watch Caylee was Cindy. 99% of the time. She will be in a pickle then.

I would pay money to see that! Don't think anyone will buy it though. As odious as all of the Ants are, they loved that little girl. And I think the jury will see that they have gone above and beyond to enable Casey while she's in jail just like they did when she was a member of the household. Whether they've broken the law or actually aided and abetted Casey remains to be seen. (And maybe depends on D Casey's phone records.)

[DrewBerry]

I used to feel so much pity for George. But his lack of humility makes me cringe ...yep. I get that his life has been ravaged by Cindy and Casey and I get that the loss of Caylee has to be horrendous (knowing she was murdered)
I still feel for all of them, bad or not. BUT- the more I read and hear, the more I get the sense that George was a real ass/hole before any of this stuff happened.

I remember the comment Lee made when he was being filmed talking to Tony in his car. He implied that George was not so nice. I also remember the in house fighting with his kids and the cheating he did. He's the one who filed for a divorce. He came back and let the Grinch support him, it seems. I no longer see him as a victim. And all his lying didn't help him look any better than the Grinch.

Yes he was supporting LE when the news of Caylee's disappearance was learned, and yes he attacked liar the night after she got home and wouldn't talk. Remember he said, "What have you done with my granddaughter?" Then he did the 180. He's a broken man but he needs to give in to the truth as he knows it. He doesn't seem to trust his future without the one who butters his bread so he agrees with her.

I'm waiting for liar to point the finger at daddy and make him part of the problem.... I predict she is going after him and the Grinch as the reason she ran away.


It wasn't me!
Yes it was, I saw you!
You're mistaken, It wasn't me!
Was too!
Was not!
I saw you!
Was not me!
There is physical evidence that it was you!
Well, maybe it was me.
But....................they.....

JMOO

Hey, Nawny. ITA. She'll use that damn ugly coping defense and point blame to mummy and daddy for neglect/abuse. Can't wait to see her throw that Grinch under the bus and it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Grinch then pulls Georgie right along with her. JMO.
:seeya:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I would pay money to see that! Don't think anyone will buy it though. As odious as all of the Ants are, they loved that little girl. And I think the jury will see that they have gone above and beyond to enable Casey while she's in jail just like they did when she was a member of the household. Whether they've broken the law or actually aided and abetted Casey remains to be seen. (And maybe depends on D Casey's phone records.)

Hi Loretta. Remember the video of Cindy's LE interview early on? She said: "Zanny could be anyone. I believe Zanny could be Jesse or Amy or ?" The Grinch forgot to put herself in that mix. I think you're on to something, my dear. I do believe the Ants. loved Caylee and are not to blame for what the Liar has done. The jury may sympathize with them to a degree. Why should they get any special consideration or treatment for being loving grandparents? That's what grandparents are supposed to do! :flamemad:
DrewB

[Gatordog]

Drew, so glad you're on the mend. I've heard that getting rid of a bad gallbladder will change your life for the better!

Some night when sleep won't come I'll try to go back and catch G&C's public appearances/statements to narrow down when he was castrated.

IIRC, Cindy's brother is the one who spilled all the beans on George's history as a cop, the car dealership and pushing his father through the glass window. Look for brother's emails.

[Gatordog]

Thanks TV! This was the source in May.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/cindy-anthony-nurse-license-expired/

I guess Cindy got on the stick and renewed. I think most people keep a license up to date even when on leave. Wondering where the harridan might find a job when/if she decides to go back to work.

I don't think she's actually worked as a nurse for a long time. She worked for an at-home visiting nursing company. I believe she worked in the office, not as a visiting nurse.

[JLette]

IIRC, Cindy's brother is the one who spilled all the beans on George's history as a cop, the car dealership and pushing his father through the glass window. Look for brother's emails.

AHA!!! i thought that was where i saw that !!! thank you:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Loretta. Remember the video of Cindy's LE interview early on? She said: "Zanny could be anyone. I believe Zanny could be Jesse or Amy or ?" The Grinch forgot to put herself in that mix. I think you're on to something, my dear. I do believe the Ants. loved Caylee and are not to blame for what the Liar has done. The jury may sympathize with them to a degree. Why should they get any special consideration or treatment for being loving grandparents? That's what grandparents are supposed to do! :flamemad:
DrewB

I think G&C had the best of intentions when it came to giving Caylee love and a good life, but they were poorly equipped. It's hard for me not to blame them for not taking some sort of action that would protect her. But they chose to be blind to Casey's lies and behaviors. Even now, Caylee has The State and LE and virtual strangers clamoring for justice on her behalf, but not her blood.

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC, Cindy's brother is the one who spilled all the beans on George's history as a cop, the car dealership and pushing his father through the glass window. Look for brother's emails.

I've read the emails, what I'm looking to narrow down is when George went over to the dark side, and was also wondering what kind of record George had as an officer. Now, I think Shirley is a hoot and a very honest woman (although somewhat blind to Cindy's martyrdom), in fact she's probably the sanest one of the bunch, and I believe whatall Rick had to say about the plate glass incident, but I wonder what the official word is on George's abilities.

[JLette]

I think G&C had the best of intentions when it came to giving Caylee love and a good life, but they were poorly equipped. It's hard for me not to blame them for not taking some sort of action that would protect her. But they chose to be blind to Casey's lies and behaviors. Even now, Caylee has The State and LE and virtual strangers clamoring for justice on her behalf, but not her blood.

ITA with everything you said, but i don't think that them choosing to turn a blind eye to Casey could make them actually responsible for Caylee's death legally, maybe morally they are but i think that Casey can blame mommy and daddy all she wants but it ain't gonna fly in court, JMO

[One2Snoop]

Didn't GA retire from LE due to a knee injury?

[old_soul]

It just doesn't make sense...

IF They are doing all this BSing because they are trying to save what little they have left, why not still be straight up (unlike what they have been doing)...it doesn't make a difference, their daughter is the only suspect, they have mucho evidence of so much, not to mention the time she's going to do for the forgery etc...and

She's still going to prison and the only way to see her will be with acrylic between them. If they didn't play this game and she gets sentenced, what, she is going to turn them away? They are all she has....she already tried to make them feel guilty about 'not bailing her out before' and she still continued speaking to them...anyway,

What not do the right thing? Why this flip flopping lying mis- truth stuff? Same outcome!

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA with everything you said, but i don't think that them choosing to turn a blind eye to Casey could make them actually responsible for Caylee's death legally, maybe morally they are but i think that Casey can blame mommy and daddy all she wants but it ain't gonna fly in court, JMO

Didn't mean to imply or infer that they are legally responsible for Caylee's death. But they failed Caylee just as they did Casey. Either that or she's The Bad Seed. And if that's the case, they had even more responsibility to protect Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

It just doesn't make sense...

IF They are doing all this BSing because they are trying to save what little they have left, why not still be straight up (unlike what they have been doing)...it doesn't make a difference, their daughter is the only suspect, they have mucho evidence of so much, not to mention the time she's going to do for the forgery etc...and

She's still going to prison and the only way to see her will be with acrylic between them. If they didn't play this game and she gets sentenced, what, she is going to turn them away? They are all she has....she already tried to make them feel guilty about 'not bailing her out before' and she still continued speaking to them...anyway,

What not do the right thing? Why this flip flopping lying mis- truth stuff? Same outcome!

Exactly. If they stand for the truth, they will stand for Caylee, and the truth will out as far as Casey is concerned.

[Amy]

"Nope, Walmart."

Thank you, deacon!!!

I completely forgot about the Orlando Campus of Wally-World Community College!!!

I didn't realize they'd expanded to full law degrees, though.

"Maybe George was a lousy cop. What do we know about his history in LE? Or why he left? Besides to start up a business and be rich like the rest of his family at Cindy's behest? Guess that could all be rumor."

Probably right there, Loretta!

And if he ever WAS a cop, he certainly has crappy instincts-re-the decomp smell, all the lies, etc.

Maybe that's why he left LE. He just SUCKED at it????

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/26/case-of-missing-florida-girl-has-local-ties/

==============================
No link, but reference to a Geraldo program

Kimberly Guilfoyle verified Casey Anthony's Father is a retired homicide detective.

SOURCE: Fox, Geraldo At Large, Sunday July 27
==================================
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/508668.html?nav=5021

=====================================

I know there was another one, with the now Sheriff or Chief of Police who worked w/George years ago as an officer or detective. This fellow also confirms George was a homicide detective before leaving the force.

[Amy]

Thanks, Amy. Good to know.

So if George is around 56 or 57 and he left LE when Casey was born, that would make him mid 30s when he left LE. I wonder how long he was an officer and how long it took him to make detective, what his rank was, etc.

The version I heard (or more likely, read) was that either right before or after LEE was born, Cindy told George to get into the family (his family) business because she wasn't going to be widowed and have to raise their children alone. I had also heard (or read) about his throwing his dad thru the plate glass window of the car dealership, which IIRC, was about the time that he no longer worked in the dealership. If there was also information about when that was in relation to the time they moved to FL, I don't recall reading that.

[Amy]

Is there something in the bar ethics codes that say you can't leave a client in need? Because they have bigger stuff going on now than when Nejames was there, imo...

I don't know, but it sure seems to me that a lawyer could disassociate himself with anyone who refuses to take his advice. Now, if he were an appointed public defender, if I understand that relationship, there would have to be a lot of proof about why the pd would be able to leave. And, in the ones I recall, very few pd's were allowed to leave the case. BUT, if it is a relationship that was entered voluntarily, I would think the lawyer could just fire them (NeJames did, and they were in pretty bad shape even then.)

IMO, Conway is getting paid a pretty penny from whatever source all the A money is coming from, or he is doing it pro-bono with an eye to publicity. And, he IS getting the publicity--promoted by himself, I wonder if he is aware how NEGATIVE that publicity is, and who in the world would want to hire him? Well, maybe only people who don't follow this case, and just hear that he is a lawyer associated with a "high profile" case. IMO

[Amy]

I think you are right. She will get up there and say that Cindy is Zanny and she will have everyone testify that the only person to ever watch Caylee was Cindy. 99% of the time. She will be in a pickle then.

Except it was George who watched Caylee 99% of the time--Cindy was working, George not so much. IMO

[Amy]

Thanks TV! This was the source in May.

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/05/01/cindy-anthony-nurse-license-expired/

I guess Cindy got on the stick and renewed. I think most people keep a license up to date even when on leave. Wondering where the harridan might find a job when/if she decides to go back to work.

Many people try to get all their CEU's in order well before the deadline date. When my kids were little, that's what I did. Took all I could from Sept 1 after an August renewal, and sometimes had all I needed by Feb. Depending on what classes taken you might only need to go to a couple of offerings to have the required quota in. That way, no matter what happens either personally or career wise--you have the requirements on hand to renew when the time comes.

If she already had the credits, all she would have to do is send in the paperwork by April 30. IIRC, the renewal app has to be POSTMARKED by the date. In the second link, it does show renewal by 5/1.

[Amy]

I don't think she's actually worked as a nurse for a long time. She worked for an at-home visiting nursing company. I believe she worked in the office, not as a visiting nurse.

Working as the nurse supervisor or manager of a home health agency IS still working "as a nurse." In the ones in our area, even the supervisors or managers have to go on calls periodically--someone didn't make it to work that day, for one. Or, to make the initial assessment for the office about what the needs are, what type of personnel need to be assigned to the job.

IIRC, recently (on this board?) there was a post where the poster had found financial information that included Cindy was paid for "visits."

[Amy]

Didn't GA retire from LE due to a knee injury?

I had read he "retired" from LE in Ohio because Cindy didn't want to take the chance of having to raise her kids without a father. He went into the car dealership business. I don't know that he ever worked in LE after they moved to FL, only that he had been doing security, according to HIS brother.

I can't remember when it was the A's moved to FL. But Cindy did not get her original nursing license until 1990, according to the links that were referring to whether or not she renewed this year. I think in the second link, where it says she DID renew.

Wonder what was going on in their lives that she decided she needed a career, or @ least a different career in 1997 or so (depending on what kind of nursing school she attended.) And what she did prior to 1990?

[lighthousedazy]

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jul/26/case-of-missing-florida-girl-has-local-ties/

==============================
No link, but reference to a Geraldo program

Kimberly Guilfoyle verified Casey Anthony's Father is a retired homicide detective.

SOURCE: Fox, Geraldo At Large, Sunday July 27
==================================
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/508668.html?nav=5021

=====================================

I know there was another one, with the now Sheriff or Chief of Police who worked w/George years ago as an officer or detective. This fellow also confirms George was a homicide detective before leaving the force. George should definitely know a human death smell then, and not confuse it with a rotting pizza. Just my opinion and I know it's been said before. I think the pizza would have dried up pretty fast in Fla. in a hot car and the smell would have nearly disappeared in 3 or 4 days. Oh dear, one of my kids left a wrapped hamburger under the seat of my car once. I didn't drive that car often but I never noticed it until my husband found it a week later. :o

[lorettalockhorn]

Many people try to get all their CEU's in order well before the deadline date. When my kids were little, that's what I did. Took all I could from Sept 1 after an August renewal, and sometimes had all I needed by Feb. Depending on what classes taken you might only need to go to a couple of offerings to have the required quota in. That way, no matter what happens either personally or career wise--you have the requirements on hand to renew when the time comes.

If she already had the credits, all she would have to do is send in the paperwork by April 30. IIRC, the renewal app has to be POSTMARKED by the date. In the second link, it does show renewal by 5/1.

Maybe the renewal was postmarked before the renewal date but hadn't arrived yet, or wasn't entered yet. Or maybe the source of the 5/1/09 post isn't credible and/or fabricated the information. :shrug:

It's hard to imagine Cindy having had much time for any CE classes especially after June and July. She must have gotten hers in early.

I had read he "retired" from LE in Ohio because Cindy didn't want to take the chance of having to raise her kids without a father. He went into the car dealership business. I don't know that he ever worked in LE after they moved to FL, only that he had been doing security, according to HIS brother.

I can't remember when it was the A's moved to FL. But Cindy did not get her original nursing license until 1990, according to the links that were referring to whether or not she renewed this year. I think in the second link, where it says she DID renew.

Wonder what was going on in their lives that she decided she needed a career, or @ least a different career in 1997 or so (depending on what kind of nursing school she attended.) And what she did prior to 1990?

I suppose in '90, Cindy might have been looking forward to Casey starting school and thought going to work would be a good idea if she was a SAHM for instance. Not sure when the Anthony's moved to FL, but it seems like some of Casey's schoolmates spoke of having gone through school including the early years with her. (I could be misremembering!)

[DrewBerry]

Exactly. If they stand for the truth, they will stand for Caylee, and the truth will out as far as Casey is concerned.

ITA with ya, Loretta and OS! G & C want to portray this image as loving, doting grandparents and go on every talk show possible to "tell the truth" why didn't they protect that little girl? Why weren't they out looking for Caylee prior to Cindy's July 15 call to the police? Come, on. GMAFB! 30 days, Cindy! Why did you not track her down for 30 days?! They are just more than in denial, they are outright liars and I'm not sure if it's to save Casey or save their own "image" of being loving, doting parents and grandparents. It stinks. The rotten tail of the fish doesn't fall far from the head (or something like that!).:flamemad:
The real truth will come out and I hope G & C get busted for aiding and covering up for the monster they created. JMO!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I don't know, but it sure seems to me that a lawyer could disassociate himself with anyone who refuses to take his advice. Now, if he were an appointed public defender, if I understand that relationship, there would have to be a lot of proof about why the pd would be able to leave. And, in the ones I recall, very few pd's were allowed to leave the case. BUT, if it is a relationship that was entered voluntarily, I would think the lawyer could just fire them (NeJames did, and they were in pretty bad shape even then.)

IMO, Conway is getting paid a pretty penny from whatever source all the A money is coming from, or he is doing it pro-bono with an eye to publicity. And, he IS getting the publicity--promoted by himself, I wonder if he is aware how NEGATIVE that publicity is, and who in the world would want to hire him? Well, maybe only people who don't follow this case, and just hear that he is a lawyer associated with a "high profile" case. IMO

Hi Amy. ITA. I think Conway is going to ride this publicity train as long as possible. My bet is that the Grinch will fire him soon. He HAS to know how awful they come across to the public. He surely must have advised them to STFU and take his advice. OR, he's simply letting them dig a deeper hole for the Liar's grave because he's got nothing to lose. Still, I think he's sleazy. Don't ya wonder what kind of conversations Bozo and Conway have had? Surely, Bozo must have told Conway to put a muzzle on his clients---they're not helping his case! Or, maybe they all encourage G & C to make asses of themselves on the thing!!
DrewB

[Nawny]

One thing I do not doubt is that Cindy loved Caylee, George too. But it actually makes more sense for Casey to lay it at her door than the imaginanny, imo. At least Cindy exists and has admitted taking care of Caylee. But I know CA did not harm her and would not harm her. But Cindy won't look good in those depos to a jury, very defensive and offensive, imo.

Nah I don't think Casey will lay the murder on Cindy and George, I meant she will blame them for her messed up head, her amnesia about where she left Caylee,, etc. I have a strong feeling she is going to use them in her defense as the "Abuse Excuse" She will point to them as the reasons she was irresponsible and the pressure made her do all those insane things.. it could work to save her from the death penalty. Fight or flight?

We all know she won't confess but if there is physical evidence, hmmm, she will cut mommy and daddy some serious blame for her actions. She has nothing else.

[Nawny]

This whole family seems co-dependent, but I haven't quite figured out what the driving force is aside from all the lying. Or maybe it's the money issues. As for Cindy supporting George, it seems likely to me that that's the way they both want it. Cindy didn't want to be strapped with alimony and didn't want to give up the house to pay him a divorce settlement, so they came to an agreement. He'd be the house husband taken whatever picayune job he could, and she'd wear the pants in the family. That's my simple exchange theory reasoning. They did a cost-benefit analysis and couldn't afford to get rid of each other.


Lookin at choo. That was damn brilliant. :beer: Tilting my head to one side, holding my glass up to ya!

[DrewBerry]

Lookin at choo. That was damn brilliant. :beer: Tilting my head to one side, holding my glass up to ya!

Hey Nawny! Yes, Loretta has got it right, again. :beer:However, I believe the Grinch ALWAYS wore the pants in that family. I know lots of miserable people that cut those deals with each other (spoken or not) and it's almost always about money. I stayed 8 yrs. too long in an abusive marriage because I was sure I couldn't financially care for my 2 boys on my own with no job, no education. Well, I nearly lost my life for staying. Some people can do it; but usually not for very long or very well. Money---not a problem unless you don't have any!
Bottom line: The Ants. were asleep at the wheel when it came to protecting Caylee.
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA with ya, Loretta and OS! G & C want to portray this image as loving, doting grandparents and go on every talk show possible to "tell the truth" why didn't they protect that little girl? Why weren't they out looking for Caylee prior to Cindy's July 15 call to the police? Come, on. GMAFB! 30 days, Cindy! Why did you not track her down for 30 days?! They are just more than in denial, they are outright liars and I'm not sure if it's to save Casey or save their own "image" of being loving, doting parents and grandparents. It stinks. The rotten tail of the fish doesn't fall far from the head (or something like that!).:flamemad:
The real truth will come out and I hope G & C get busted for aiding and covering up for the monster they created. JMO!
DrewB

HAH! Love the rotten tail analogy! :beer:

Okay, I just find it hard to believe that G&C were comfortable with Casey being gone with Caylee (especially since the theft from Mrs. Plesea had just come to light). Even if there wasn't a knockdown drag out, they had to realize that she was desperate. How could they have allowed her to leave the house with her until things were resolved?!

And when Cindy got to the point that she couldn't sleep, why didn't she call LE, express her concerns (even if she didn't tell them about the money. So what if she left out that big part of the equation, it would have only been a half-truth.) Officers could have been watching for her vehicle, checking her haunts, tracking her EZ Pass, something, anything to ensure that Caylee was safe. Of course we now know that she wasn't safe, but it would have nipped most of this BS in the bud.

I really am getting to the point that I despise the Ants and what they stand for. Which is probably quite different from what they think they stand for.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lookin at choo. That was damn brilliant. :beer: Tilting my head to one side, holding my glass up to ya!

Well, I've got a glass of wine going, so I'm toasting you too! Cin Cin! http://i41.tinypic.com/35cla21.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Nawny! Yes, Loretta has got it right, again. :beer:However, I believe the Grinch ALWAYS wore the pants in that family. I know lots of miserable people that cut those deals with each other (spoken or not) and it's almost always about money. I stayed 8 yrs. too long in an abusive marriage because I was sure I couldn't financially care for my 2 boys on my own with no job, no education. Well, I nearly lost my life for staying. Some people can do it; but usually not for very long or very well. Money---not a problem unless you don't have any!
Bottom line: The Ants. were asleep at the wheel when it came to protecting Caylee.
DrewB

Glad you got the hell out of Dodge! Good for you, and lucky boys.

[DrewBerry]

HAH! Love the rotten tail analogy! :beer:

Okay, I just find it hard to believe that G&C were comfortable with Casey being gone with Caylee (especially since the theft from Mrs. Plesea had just come to light). Even if there wasn't a knockdown drag out, they had to realize that she was desperate. How could they have allowed her to leave the house with her until things were resolved?!

And when Cindy got to the point that she couldn't sleep, why didn't she call LE, express her concerns (even if she didn't tell them about the money. So what if she left out that big part of the equation, it would have only been a half-truth.) Officers could have been watching for her vehicle, checking her haunts, tracking her EZ Pass, something, anything to ensure that Caylee was safe. Of course we now know that she wasn't safe, but it would have nipped most of this BS in the bud.

I really am getting to the point that I despise the Ants and what they stand for. Which is probably quite different from what they think they stand for.

Me too! I really do feel hate toward them. Not rage; just regular old, hate. But I would hate anyone who behaved as they do. I hated Ma & Pa Peterson, too but not quite this much. Hate their offspring even more but there's something about the self-righteousness of the Ants. that I just despise. :flamemad:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

Me too! I really do feel hate toward them. Not rage; just regular old, hate. But I would hate anyone who behaved as they do. I hated Ma & Pa Peterson, too but not quite this much. Hate their offspring even more but there's something about the self-righteousness of the Ants. that I just despise. :flamemad:
DrewB

*shudders* The Ants are very reminiscent of the Petersons. Jackie Peterson.

Every once in a while I make the mistake of reading the Peterson website and then want to kick myself. Odious. (To use Mark Klaas' description of Casey Anthony.)

[BeastofBears]

*shudders* The Ants are very reminiscent of the Petersons. Jackie Peterson.

Every once in a while I make the mistake of reading the Peterson website and then want to kick myself. Odious. (To use Mark Klaas' description of Casey Anthony.)

The A's are so much more...active...than the Petersons, it seems to me. But, imo, it is very familiar...

[Nawny]

Hey Nawny! Yes, Loretta has got it right, again. :beer:However, I believe the Grinch ALWAYS wore the pants in that family. I know lots of miserable people that cut those deals with each other (spoken or not) and it's almost always about money. I stayed 8 yrs. too long in an abusive marriage because I was sure I couldn't financially care for my 2 boys on my own with no job, no education. Well, I nearly lost my life for staying. Some people can do it; but usually not for very long or very well. Money---not a problem unless you don't have any!
Bottom line: The Ants. were asleep at the wheel when it came to protecting Caylee.
DrewB

Yes "they were asleep at the wheel!" Too focused on the rottenness in each other. Too consumed with plugging up the holes in that sinking ship. They thought the little innocent child would magically stay safe. Taking care of a family is work. Some people make me laugh when they live such pretentious lives, thinking no one knows they are pretentious. Superficial is so damn obvious.

[Nawny]

Wonder what the A's are doing today. Maybe they're looking for the Nanny,, the TEN one. Besides torturing they're lawyer, I don't' know that they are very busy.

I miss Beemer. I hope she's staying cool in the casino's.

Well as long as it's raining here, I may as well go upstairs and tend to the projects I've been putting off. I have to get my winter clothes back out.. (kidding) I have some work to do with dressers that are coming downstairs that are filled with clothes I no longer wear.

:seeya:

[BeastofBears]

Wonder what the A's are doing today. Maybe they're looking for the Nanny,, the TEN one. Besides torturing they're lawyer, I don't' know that they are very busy.

I miss Beemer. I hope she's staying cool in the casino's.

Well as long as it's raining here, I may as well go upstairs and tend to the projects I've been putting off. I have to get my winter clothes back out.. (kidding) I have some work to do with dressers that are coming downstairs that are filled with clothes I no longer wear.

:seeya:

"But Cindy, I was just looking at her *** because she was a ten-she might be the nanny!"

lol, just kidding...

[DrewBerry]

"But Cindy, I was just looking at her *** because she was a ten-she might be the nanny!"

lol, just kidding...


Good one, BoB! You gave me a good wake-up laugh. G&C are as superficial as they get, aren't they? My question is, WTF is Conway thinking?
Good morning, Nawny!
Well, it's been one week since surgery. I have to say, what a difference a week makes! I'm beginning to feel "almost normal." Nawny, can you send some rain our way? We've set a record here in rainy, ol' Seattle----more than a month without rain! I know. You all think I'm making it up but I've lived here all my life and we never see summer until AFTER July 4.
Going back to work tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
Miss Beemer, too. Where is everyone lately? :seeya:
DrewB

[Nawny]

Good one, BoB! You gave me a good wake-up laugh. G&C are as superficial as they get, aren't they? My question is, WTF is Conway thinking?
Good morning, Nawny!
Well, it's been one week since surgery. I have to say, what a difference a week makes! I'm beginning to feel "almost normal." Nawny, can you send some rain our way? We've set a record here in rainy, ol' Seattle----more than a month without rain! I know. You all think I'm making it up but I've lived here all my life and we never see summer until AFTER July 4.
Going back to work tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
Miss Beemer, too. Where is everyone lately? :seeya:
DrewB


I've never been to Seattle. Maybe someday I'll come see you! I heard it's lovely and there is a lot of coffee there. :)

Hey we lost our hagnoggers because the A's are playing possum. But they'll be back! I check in every day.

Glad you're feeling better. Enjoy work tomorrow. I'll be here doing laundry. I've been busy with weebles and lots of baby graduations. Looking for the 4th to bring me some challenges with the smoking. My latest mantra is.. Cigarettes taste like Chit. Old _soul wasn't kidding when she said, when you see someone smoking your mouth waters. Staying busy helps. It's just a habit at this point. I don't need the nicotine anymore. I feel like someone else. Oh, and food taste like heaven. I think I hear potato chips calling me. :eek:

Stay strong and be happy DrewB :seeya:

[DrewBerry]

I've never been to Seattle. Maybe someday I'll come see you! I heard it's lovely and there is a lot of coffee there. :)

Hey we lost our hagnoggers because the A's are playing possum. But they'll be back! I check in every day.

Glad you're feeling better. Enjoy work tomorrow. I'll be here doing laundry. I've been busy with weebles and lots of baby graduations. Looking for the 4th to bring me some challenges with the smoking. My latest mantra is.. Cigarettes taste like Chit. Old _soul wasn't kidding when she said, when you see someone smoking your mouth waters. Staying busy helps. It's just a habit at this point. I don't need the nicotine anymore. I feel like someone else. Oh, and food taste like heaven. I think I hear potato chips calling me. :eek:

Stay strong and be happy DrewB :seeya:

Hey Nawny,
I'm very pleased you're still a non-smoker. For me, the only time I really felt the urge to smoke was when I was stressed out---which was much of the time. OS is right---most people just see someone smoking and they start craving. When that happened, I just reframed it in my mind as I'm sorry they still have that disgusting, dirty habit. I didn't envy them.
Don't ya just love tasting and smelling everything again? Keep going, my dear. The payoffs will be immense.
You've got to make the trek to Seattle someday. It is breathtaking, especially in the summer. I'll buy the coffee.
DrewB

[tv]

*shudders* The Ants are very reminiscent of the Petersons. Jackie Peterson.

Every once in a while I make the mistake of reading the Peterson website and then want to kick myself. Odious. (To use Mark Klaas' description of Casey Anthony.)

Have you ever seen that program Deadliest Warrior? They've had Spartan vs.Knight, Apache vs. Gladiator, Pirate vs. Ninja, etc...can you imagine Jackie vs. Cindy? My bet's on Cindy! :D

[Nawny]

Hey Nawny,
I'm very pleased you're still a non-smoker. For me, the only time I really felt the urge to smoke was when I was stressed out---which was much of the time. OS is right---most people just see someone smoking and they start craving. When that happened, I just reframed it in my mind as I'm sorry they still have that disgusting, dirty habit. I didn't envy them.
Don't ya just love tasting and smelling everything again? Keep going, my dear. The payoffs will be immense.
You've got to make the trek to Seattle someday. It is breathtaking, especially in the summer. I'll buy the coffee.
DrewB

Thanks for the help Drew. Yes the food,, and the smells.. I've been cleaning with bleach, Simple Green and Orange cleaner all week. LOL! I think I can eat off my woodwork.
Live and let eat!

The trek? What is that DrewB?

[Gatordog]

Hey Nawny,
I'm very pleased you're still a non-smoker. For me, the only time I really felt the urge to smoke was when I was stressed out---which was much of the time. OS is right---most people just see someone smoking and they start craving. When that happened, I just reframed it in my mind as I'm sorry they still have that disgusting, dirty habit. I didn't envy them.
Don't ya just love tasting and smelling everything again? Keep going, my dear. The payoffs will be immense.
You've got to make the trek to Seattle someday. It is breathtaking, especially in the summer. I'll buy the coffee.
DrewB

Me too Nawny. I am so happy that you are succeeding in ending your smoking addiction. I can only imagine how difficult it is to stop, but when you look at the weebles, you know it's all worth it. You need to be here for them as long as possible; they love you too much to let you continue to do harm to yourself by smoking.

Gator

[Gatordog]

The news reports have dwindled to nothing in the last week or so. The Ants are laying low. No articles in the newspaper. Now that we're pratically in July, I imagine that in two weeks there will be a flurry of activity again with the anniversary of the case. I hope the state attorney gets the ok from the judge to proceed with the fraud trial now.

Gator

[Nawny]

The news reports have dwindled to nothing in the last week or so. The Ants are laying low. No articles in the newspaper. Now that we're pratically in July, I imagine that in two weeks there will be a flurry of activity again with the anniversary of the case. I hope the state attorney gets the ok from the judge to proceed with the fraud trial now.

Gator

Yes I expect a rewind when the anniversary comes. The date is July 15th right? Jeeze those people had us entertained all year! I am guessing the last round up with the memorial shenanigans taught them something. They must have figured out that the world isn't going to adjust itself to their program. I mean really! They might learn a lot more by the time the trial comes. Who knows, they might even act civilized. Dang! ;)
But the liar will still get convicted is my prediction. If she didn't do it, then Ten will show up and confess and the Easter Bunny will ride his bike into the jury box.


Thanks Jo... I know I had to stop the smoking, though I did enjoy it. For all the years I smoked, I never thought of it as an addiction until I tried to stop. OUCH! After many attempts, this one is sticking. God love acupuncture! I go Thursday again for the 6th time and he still puts the tacks inside my ear. It's magic. I still think I have to reach for the cigs though.. then I laugh when I remember they are not there. I have been using a Gripmaster. It's a thing you hold in your hand and squeeze. It helps.

Are you sure you can't smoke macaroni? :punch:me.

[DrewBerry]

Thanks for the help Drew. Yes the food,, and the smells.. I've been cleaning with bleach, Simple Green and Orange cleaner all week. LOL! I think I can eat off my woodwork.
Live and let eat!

The trek? What is that DrewB?

Nawny,
Just my way of saying make the trip to Seattle. If/when you do, I'll buy the cawfee!
Still no rain in the forecast.
DrewB

[Nawny]

Nawny,
Just my way of saying make the trip to Seattle. If/when you do, I'll buy the cawfee!
Still no rain in the forecast.
DrewB

I'm sorry DrewB.. LOL!LOL!!! I re read it and realize what you meant. I'm a stoop sometimes. :punch: I thought it was a place.

You have no rain????? In Seattle????? Lord, it's actually raining here again! This is getting scary! I haven't had my car washed in two months!

[BeastofBears]

I'm sorry DrewB.. LOL!LOL!!! I re read it and realize what you meant. I'm a stoop sometimes. :punch: I thought it was a place.

You have no rain????? In Seattle????? Lord, it's actually raining here again! This is getting scary! I haven't had my car washed in two months!

It's funny how its doing what the Farmer's Almanac said it would. How does that thing work?

[Nawny]

It's funny how its doing what the Farmer's Almanac said it would. How does that thing work?

I think its a planetary thing.

[DrewBerry]

It's funny how its doing what the Farmer's Almanac said it would. How does that thing work?

Hi Bob. I haven't read the Almanac in years but it's usually pretty accurate.
Glad to export our rain to you, Nawny! :beer:
Still no word on the Ants.? I'm dying for some news. The July 15 anniversary will certainly stir things up. It's also my birthday so I wish for Cindy to make (again) an ass of herself on the thing!
DrewB

[Nawny]

Hi Bob. I haven't read the Almanac in years but it's usually pretty accurate.
Glad to export our rain to you, Nawny! :beer:
Still no word on the Ants.? I'm dying for some news. The July 15 anniversary will certainly stir things up. It's also my birthday so I wish for Cindy to make (again) an ass of herself on the thing!
DrewB

Hey you're a Cancerian! No wonder we get along so well.. LOL! Water signs do that. I get such a kick out of astrology!


Okay I'm leaving now... :chicken:

[JLette]

Hey you're a Cancerian! No wonder we get along so well.. LOL! Water signs do that. I get such a kick out of astrology!


Okay I'm leaving now... :chicken:

lol mine is the 19th, woohoo cancers! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

"But Cindy, I was just looking at her *** because she was a ten-she might be the nanny!"

lol, just kidding...

:hat: You made me laugh my ass OFF the thing! :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Have you ever seen that program Deadliest Warrior? They've had Spartan vs.Knight, Apache vs. Gladiator, Pirate vs. Ninja, etc...can you imagine Jackie vs. Cindy? My bet's on Cindy! :D

I've never seen that program, but I'm here to tell ya, I'd pay money to see those two go at each other. Psst Don't tell anyone, but I'd like to see JP win that one. SOMEONE needs to put Cindy in her lowlife place.

[deacon]

:hat: You made me laugh my ass OFF the thing! :hat:

Maybe casey told him what her a__ looked like. I am sure she would know given some of the pictures.:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Me too Nawny. I am so happy that you are succeeding in ending your smoking addiction. I can only imagine how difficult it is to stop, but when you look at the weebles, you know it's all worth it. You need to be here for them as long as possible; they love you too much to let you continue to do harm to yourself by smoking.

Gator

Me three; congratulations Nawny! :beer:

The news reports have dwindled to nothing in the last week or so. The Ants are laying low. No articles in the newspaper. Now that we're pratically in July, I imagine that in two weeks there will be a flurry of activity again with the anniversary of the case. I hope the state attorney gets the ok from the judge to proceed with the fraud trial now.

Gator

The Ants probably hate that MJ died and took them out of the headlines on HLN.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Bob. I haven't read the Almanac in years but it's usually pretty accurate.
Glad to export our rain to you, Nawny! :beer:
Still no word on the Ants.? I'm dying for some news. The July 15 anniversary will certainly stir things up. It's also my birthday so I wish for Cindy to make (again) an ass of herself on the thing!
DrewB

Cancerian here reporting for duty! Used to read TFA all the time back when I had a garden. If it's not a sure thing, at least you have a guide for when to do things. (Personally, I believe in planting by the signs.)

We could use some rain here too, even after all those spring deluges. Crazy weather.

[samanthajane13]

"You made me laugh my ass OFF the thing!"

Hey Loretta!!!

My question to you is-

Are YOU a 10???? And if so, do you have a KEY???

Alert, gang!!!

We MAY have found the real ZANNY!!!

[DrewBerry]

Me three; congratulations Nawny! :beer:



The Ants probably hate that MJ died and took them out of the headlines on HLN.

You got that right, Loretta, my fellow Cancerian! I bet The Grinch is fuming she's not the big news story of late. I hope we get some news soon---miss the entertainment. :seeya:
DrewB

[BeastofBears]

"You made me laugh my ass OFF the thing!"

Hey Loretta!!!

My question to you is-

Are YOU a 10???? And if so, do you have a KEY???

Alert, gang!!!

We MAY have found the real ZANNY!!!

You know what they say, "hide in plain sight, highest possible profile"

[lorettalockhorn]

"You made me laugh my ass OFF the thing!"

Hey Loretta!!!

My question to you is-

Are YOU a 10???? And if so, do you have a KEY???

Alert, gang!!!

We MAY have found the real ZANNY!!!

hehehe I'm only a 9.2 ;) and I ain't got no key!

[lorettalockhorn]

You know what they say, "hide in plain sight, highest possible profile"

Does big hair count as a high profile?!? http://i39.tinypic.com/bfnkfb.jpg

[BeastofBears]

Does big hair count as a high profile?!? http://i39.tinypic.com/bfnkfb.jpg

Okay, your avatar: addictive! Like I need another online addiction!

[BeastofBears]

Me three; congratulations Nawny! :beer:



The Ants probably hate that MJ died and took them out of the headlines on HLN.

Did you know there's a nanny involved in that situation, too? Brings a whole new meaning to Nanny 911.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, your avatar: addictive! Like I need another online addiction!

It's very appealing to the inner linguist! :tongue:

Did you know there's a nanny involved in that situation, too? Brings a whole new meaning to Nanny 911.

Omigosh. So many conflicting reports. Rowe does and doesn't give a rat's patoot about the kids. Rowe never sees the kids. Rowe has regular visitation. Katherine Jackson files for custody alone. MJ couldn't stomach Joe's abusive tendencies, but died intestate without so much as naming a guardian. An attorney will present a will to the court.

This will go on forevah. And the bottom line could be that Michael Jackson may be worth more dead than alive and his advisors may have not encouraged him to make provisions for his children.

So for now, give the kids to the nanny!

[deacon]

It's very appealing to the inner linguist! :tongue:



Omigosh. So many conflicting reports. Rowe does and doesn't give a rat's patoot about the kids. Rowe never sees the kids. Rowe has regular visitation. Katherine Jackson files for custody alone. MJ couldn't stomach Joe's abusive tendencies, but died intestate without so much as naming a guardian. An attorney will present a will to the court.

This will go on forevah. And the bottom line could be that Michael Jackson may be worth more dead than alive and his advisors may have not encouraged him to make provisions for his children.

So for now, give the kids to the nanny!

And get it out of the news. I have heard enought of that drama but I am sure it will go on for ever.

[samanthajane13]

"hehehe I'm only a 9.2 and I ain't got no key!"

But you know we love you like you're a 10!!!

Just thought we could solve this nanny conundrum and give you an alibi!!

We KNOW you weren't there taking Caylee!!!

You were probably posting here when she went missing!!!

[Nawny]

lol mine is the 19th, woohoo cancers! :beer:

Hey Crabbies! :-) I'm a fish and we have water in common! But Crab's middle name is MOTHER! You guys mother everybody.. lol! Bless your hearts. Love ya during the full moon! You have very infectious giggles!:)

[Nawny]

Cancerian here reporting for duty! Used to read TFA all the time back when I had a garden. If it's not a sure thing, at least you have a guide for when to do things. (Personally, I believe in planting by the signs.)

We could use some rain here too, even after all those spring deluges. Crazy weather.

Wow! Another moon child!!! No wonder you're involved with saving kids. No surprise! The main theme for Cancerians is "Mother" and of course, art, moods, history, privacy, and so much more. God gave me a moon child and she is the light and the voice of reason when I am in the darkness. :) We Fish get to wondering often and we need a claw to pull us back! :hat:

[Nawny]

And get it out of the news. I have heard enought of that drama but I am sure it will go on for ever.

It will be in the news for years to come, as is Elvis to this day.

[deacon]

It will be in the news for years to come, as is Elvis to this day.

I ran into a little saying this morning that fits both of these cases:

Some people are like slinkies. They are not worth much but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

:punch:Bad boy.

[jas72]

lol mine is the 19th, woohoo cancers! :beer:

My birthday is tomorrow, July 1st!

[Mojo]

I ran into a little saying this morning that fits both of these cases:

Some people are like slinkies. They are not worth much but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

:punch:Bad boy.

HAHAHAHAHHA! Good one!

[BeastofBears]

my birthday is tomorrow, july 1st!

happy birthday manana, jas!

[deacon]

My birthday is tomorrow, July 1st!

Happy birthday.

[lorettalockhorn]

"hehehe I'm only a 9.2 and I ain't got no key!"

But you know we love you like you're a 10!!!

Just thought we could solve this nanny conundrum and give you an alibi!!

We KNOW you weren't there taking Caylee!!!

You were probably posting here when she went missing!!!

LMAO Yesssssssssssssss!!!!!!!! Because like so many of Cindy's detractors, I have no life and am a slave to my computer. http://i43.tinypic.com/2d8p2li.jpg

Of course that means that I can alibi everyone else here too!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Crabbies! :-) I'm a fish and we have water in common! But Crab's middle name is MOTHER! You guys mother everybody.. lol! Bless your hearts. Love ya during the full moon! You have very infectious giggles!:)

Crabby is right! http://i4.tinypic.com/2ivy1op.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

I ran into a little saying this morning that fits both of these cases:

Some people are like slinkies. They are not worth much but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

:punch:Bad boy.

I wanna bumper sticker like that!

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ztdbu0.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

My birthday is tomorrow, July 1st!

http://i40.tinypic.com/35mfb41.jpg

[Gatordog]

Yes I expect a rewind when the anniversary comes. The date is July 15th right? Jeeze those people had us entertained all year! I am guessing the last round up with the memorial shenanigans taught them something. They must have figured out that the world isn't going to adjust itself to their program. I mean really! They might learn a lot more by the time the trial comes. Who knows, they might even act civilized. Dang! ;)
But the liar will still get convicted is my prediction. If she didn't do it, then Ten will show up and confess and the Easter Bunny will ride his bike into the jury box.


Thanks Jo... I know I had to stop the smoking, though I did enjoy it. For all the years I smoked, I never thought of it as an addiction until I tried to stop. OUCH! After many attempts, this one is sticking. God love acupuncture! I go Thursday again for the 6th time and he still puts the tacks inside my ear. It's magic. I still think I have to reach for the cigs though.. then I laugh when I remember they are not there. I have been using a Gripmaster. It's a thing you hold in your hand and squeeze. It helps.

Are you sure you can't smoke macaroni? :punch:me.

IMO, they won't learn. It's easy when they are laying low, out of the public's eye, but once CA is confronted with a situation that isn't of her choosing or liking, then she becomes rude and indignant. She won't change. It's her nature. IMO

Gator

[Gatordog]

It's very appealing to the inner linguist! :tongue:



Omigosh. So many conflicting reports. Rowe does and doesn't give a rat's patoot about the kids. Rowe never sees the kids. Rowe has regular visitation. Katherine Jackson files for custody alone. MJ couldn't stomach Joe's abusive tendencies, but died intestate without so much as naming a guardian. An attorney will present a will to the court.

This will go on forevah. And the bottom line could be that Michael Jackson may be worth more dead than alive and his advisors may have not encouraged him to make provisions for his children.

So for now, give the kids to the nanny!

Just read that Rowe gave birth to the two older children but is not their biological mother - donor sperm and eggs. I guess that is a safer way to try to prevent Rowe from wanting custody.

Gator

[Gatordog]

http://i40.tinypic.com/35mfb41.jpg

Happy Birthday!

Now I want cake.

Gator

[beemer]

Happy Birthday to all :seeya: :beer:

[Amy]

It will be in the news for years to come, as is Elvis to this day.

I wonder if all the Elvis sightings will now include MJ, or if they will be seen @ different times, different places? Boggles the mind!!! lol

[Amy]

Just read that Rowe gave birth to the two older children but is not their biological mother - donor sperm and eggs. I guess that is a safer way to try to prevent Rowe from wanting custody.

Gator

I usually switch the channel or the radio station when MJ stuff comes on. TMI once we get past the part where he died. BUT, one day I couldn't change the channel, so heard that Rowe hadn't decided if she wanted to go for custody, or perhaps continue as is--just be allowed visitation. That sounds like a good deal to me. Would be less confusing, I would think, if the kids were w/their grandmother.

Of course, since I don't listen to celebrity crap (my blood pressure is high enough without listening to their "problems" lol) I couldn't tell---are MJ's parents divorced? IMO, the kids could stay with their grandmother, but I don't think they need to be exposed much to their grandfather--I'd be afraid he would treat them like he did MJ. We don't need second verse, same as the first, you know?

[lorettalockhorn]

Just read that Rowe gave birth to the two older children but is not their biological mother - donor sperm and eggs. I guess that is a safer way to try to prevent Rowe from wanting custody.

Gator

Yikes! It never stops! I read somewhere that DR said (in an old interview?) that MJ wasn't the sperm donor. Such a crying shame that he has possibly left this world with his children's world in such a shambles.

Happy Birthday!

Now I want cake.

Gator

Hey, we don't have any cake, but I make a fresh peach pie/cobbler today. Get on over heah!

[lorettalockhorn]

I usually switch the channel or the radio station when MJ stuff comes on. TMI once we get past the part where he died. BUT, one day I couldn't change the channel, so heard that Rowe hadn't decided if she wanted to go for custody, or perhaps continue as is--just be allowed visitation. That sounds like a good deal to me. Would be less confusing, I would think, if the kids were w/their grandmother.

Of course, since I don't listen to celebrity crap (my blood pressure is high enough without listening to their "problems" lol) I couldn't tell---are MJ's parents divorced? IMO, the kids could stay with their grandmother, but I don't think they need to be exposed much to their grandfather--I'd be afraid he would treat them like he did MJ. We don't need second verse, same as the first, you know?

Amy, I'm with you; there's just TMI out there, although I don't mind getting a good synopsis. (Yenta that I am!) The Jacksons are still married to the best of my understanding, but Katherine asked for custody and listed a different address from Joe Jackson. In fact, I think HLN reported that she listed his address as unknown.

Wouldn't it just be the drizzlins if MJ died and his father ended up raising those kids? Please God, tell me that he did have a will complete with a request for a guardian in case of his untimely death.

[Gatordog]

Yikes! It never stops! I read somewhere that DR said (in an old interview?) that MJ wasn't the sperm donor. Such a crying shame that he has possibly left this world with his children's world in such a shambles.



Hey, we don't have any cake, but I make a fresh peach pie/cobbler today. Get on over heah!

How did you know that peach pie is my all time favorite. I can just taste the peaches and buttery crumb topping. :D

Gator

[beemer]

Ahhh peach cobbler-on my way...... I dont have a link by either heard/read that MJ's parents have not resided together for several years now. No mention of a divorce so i gather they are just gone their separate ways. MOO

[Nawny]

My birthday is tomorrow, July 1st!

Happy Birthday Crabby! ;)

:beer:

[Nawny]

How did you know that peach pie is my all time favorite. I can just taste the peaches and buttery crumb topping. :D

Gator

All right you guys,,, cut it out! You know I have empty hand syndrom! I want to smoke a peach cobbler now!

WHaaaahhhH!

[lorettalockhorn]

How did you know that peach pie is my all time favorite. I can just taste the peaches and buttery crumb topping. :D

Gator

Well. Let me just tell you my tale of woe. These were cling peaches, not freestone, so I was going to spice/pickle them. But NOOOOOOooooooooo Leroy wanted a cobbler made with pie crust and a lattice top. What you describe is what I call peach crisp and would have been my preference. But no. So I made the thing to order and what did he do when I served him dessert? In bed no less?! He said he just had to have some sugar to sprinkle on the top. :flamemad::cuss::flamemad::cuss: And disarranged my baking cabinet to find it.

Men.

Rude.

[lorettalockhorn]

All right you guys,,, cut it out! You know I have empty hand syndrom! I want to smoke a peach cobbler now!

WHaaaahhhH!

LMAO Thanks for the laugh. :hat: Don't feel so honked off now.

[SaraSidle]

Amy, I'm with you; there's just TMI out there, although I don't mind getting a good synopsis. (Yenta that I am!) The Jacksons are still married to the best of my understanding, but Katherine asked for custody and listed a different address from Joe Jackson. In fact, I think HLN reported that she listed his address as unknown.

Wouldn't it just be the drizzlins if MJ died and his father ended up raising those kids? Please God, tell me that he did have a will complete with a request for a guardian in case of his untimely death.

Okay. what I heard on JVM and NG is that Rowe played the surrogate for the oldest 2 with Michael's plastic surgeon's sperm and we do not know where the eggs came from. the youngest boy we have no idea on eggs,sperm and surrogate. Joe Jackson has been living in Nevada for a while. In his will from 2002 he leaves his children to his Mother. IMO sara

I am so glad the Anthony's are being quiet!!!

[eatcupcakes]

Then way are we talking about MJ. Don' they have a board for him. This is Tru Crime, no crime was comitted in MJ death. He ws over 18 and if he chose to abuse prescription drugs so be it.

[jas72]

Thanks to one and all for the birthday wishes. What a friendly board we have here.

[eatcupcakes]

Thanks to one and all for the birthday wishes. What a friendly board we have here.

Are you a man or a woman. I wanted to ask your age but you never, never, never ask a woman her age. Happy Happy Birthday to you I hope you get to spend it with the people you love and totally enjoy your day. :beer::rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Then way are we talking about MJ. Don' they have a board for him. This is Tru Crime, no crime was comitted in MJ death. He ws over 18 and if he chose to abuse prescription drugs so be it.

Do we know that no crime was committed in MJ's death? Could be similar to the Anna Nicole situation. :shrug: But thanks for putting us in our place(s).

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks to one and all for the birthday wishes. What a friendly board we have here.

Your day's half over and I was having withdrawals trying to get here. Hope it's the best ever. :tongue:

[Gatordog]

Then way are we talking about MJ. Don' they have a board for him. This is Tru Crime, no crime was comitted in MJ death. He ws over 18 and if he chose to abuse prescription drugs so be it.

What else is there to talk about? Should we all just shut our computers until something comes up?

[Gatordog]

No news on Anthony case in the newspaper or local news channel. Orange County agreed to pay Kronk's attorney another $2500 to represent Kronk. That's it, nada, nothing else to report. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy120.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

[deacon]

No news on Anthony case in the newspaper or local news channel. Orange County agreed to pay Kronk's attorney another $2500 to represent Kronk. That's it, nada, nothing else to report. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy120.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Gator

Thanks Gator:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Casey Anthony case: 'Mommy's Little Girl' author defends title, book
Hal Boedeker | Sentinel TV Critic
3:06 PM EDT, June 25, 2009
Author Diane Fanning says she has heard from people who aren't happy that she has written a book about the Caylee Anthony case. "Mommy's Little Girl" from St. Martin's Press will be published in November.

Among the most-frequent complaints:

1. A book is premature before Casey Anthony's murder trial.

"Maybe we shouldn't have any news stories, either," Fanning said today from her home in Texas. "If it's wrong to do this, then it's wrong to have newspaper stories, magazine stories and TV reports. You can't wait on the vagaries of the justice system."

Fanning notes that her book on astronaut Lisa Nowak was released in November 2007 and that trial is set for December.

Fanning said when she agreed to write about Casey Anthony, who is charged with daughter Caylee's murder, the trial was set for January, then pushed to March. The earliest the trial could start now is next year.

"There is a point in the public world when things get in place and you can't stop that train," Fanning said. "It was supposed to be a post-trial book. This case is so different. There is so much available. Will I write a sequel? It's up to the publisher."

2. The Anthonys will profit from the book.

"A lot of people in the general public seem to believe to write a book like this, you have to purchase rights," Fanning said. "Not true. It's no more true of writers who work for newspapers. People make the assumption I put money in the Anthonys' pocket. It's not true, and it's not ethical. There were enough people to talk to. I could round out what was available from documentation."

3. The title is disrespectful to Caylee.

"Some people are upset by the title," Fanning said. "I didn't pick the title, but I thought it was a good title. No matter how horrendous a mother might be, that child is always mommy's little girl. Children love without any limitation."

The subtitle is "Casey Anthony and Her Daughter Caylee's Tragic Fate."

"She didn't have a long life," Fanning said of the toddler. "I couldn't fill the whole book with Caylee."

4. She is profiting off the tragedy.

"I'm making my living," Fanning said. "That's it. This is what I do to get my paycheck. I write books."

The Anthony saga is her 10th true-crime book, and St. Martin's Press is one of the most respected publishers in that field.

Fanning said readers should expect the Anthony discovery information presented in story form along with anecdotes about Caylee and other people connected to the Anthony family.

"There are stories and anecdotes that have never been published before -- not earth-shattering, but I think it adds another texture to the story," Fanning said.

Fanning started the book on the day after Casey Anthony was arrested in the murder in October. The author finished the more than 300-page work May 15.

The constant outpouring of documents made this book easier to write than others, Fanning said. "What was more difficult, I have never seen another case, except Lisa Nowak, where everyone had a lawyer and a publicist," the author said. "It's very strange to me, and it is odd to me that both cases happened in Orlando. I don't think it says anything about Orlando."

She also couldn't interview some of the major players, such as George and Cindy Anthony.

Fanning said she couldn't discuss her conclusion because lawyers are looking over the book before its publication.

"In all my books, there's an afterword, and I give my opinion," she said. "And it's there in this book."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-book-author-062509,0,7673530.story

[deacon]

Casey Anthony case: 'Mommy's Little Girl' author defends title, book
Hal Boedeker | Sentinel TV Critic
3:06 PM EDT, June 25, 2009
Author Diane Fanning says she has heard from people who aren't happy that she has written a book about the Caylee Anthony case. "Mommy's Little Girl" from St. Martin's Press will be published in November.

Among the most-frequent complaints:

1. A book is premature before Casey Anthony's murder trial.

"Maybe we shouldn't have any news stories, either," Fanning said today from her home in Texas. "If it's wrong to do this, then it's wrong to have newspaper stories, magazine stories and TV reports. You can't wait on the vagaries of the justice system."

Fanning notes that her book on astronaut Lisa Nowak was released in November 2007 and that trial is set for December.

Fanning said when she agreed to write about Casey Anthony, who is charged with daughter Caylee's murder, the trial was set for January, then pushed to March. The earliest the trial could start now is next year.

"There is a point in the public world when things get in place and you can't stop that train," Fanning said. "It was supposed to be a post-trial book. This case is so different. There is so much available. Will I write a sequel? It's up to the publisher."

2. The Anthonys will profit from the book.

"A lot of people in the general public seem to believe to write a book like this, you have to purchase rights," Fanning said. "Not true. It's no more true of writers who work for newspapers. People make the assumption I put money in the Anthonys' pocket. It's not true, and it's not ethical. There were enough people to talk to. I could round out what was available from documentation."

3. The title is disrespectful to Caylee.

"Some people are upset by the title," Fanning said. "I didn't pick the title, but I thought it was a good title. No matter how horrendous a mother might be, that child is always mommy's little girl. Children love without any limitation."

The subtitle is "Casey Anthony and Her Daughter Caylee's Tragic Fate."

"She didn't have a long life," Fanning said of the toddler. "I couldn't fill the whole book with Caylee."

4. She is profiting off the tragedy.

"I'm making my living," Fanning said. "That's it. This is what I do to get my paycheck. I write books."

The Anthony saga is her 10th true-crime book, and St. Martin's Press is one of the most respected publishers in that field.

Fanning said readers should expect the Anthony discovery information presented in story form along with anecdotes about Caylee and other people connected to the Anthony family.

"There are stories and anecdotes that have never been published before -- not earth-shattering, but I think it adds another texture to the story," Fanning said.

Fanning started the book on the day after Casey Anthony was arrested in the murder in October. The author finished the more than 300-page work May 15.

The constant outpouring of documents made this book easier to write than others, Fanning said. "What was more difficult, I have never seen another case, except Lisa Nowak, where everyone had a lawyer and a publicist," the author said. "It's very strange to me, and it is odd to me that both cases happened in Orlando. I don't think it says anything about Orlando."

She also couldn't interview some of the major players, such as George and Cindy Anthony.

Fanning said she couldn't discuss her conclusion because lawyers are looking over the book before its publication.

"In all my books, there's an afterword, and I give my opinion," she said. "And it's there in this book."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-book-author-062509,0,7673530.story

Not one I will buy.:no:

[Gatordog]

Not one I will buy.:no:

What's left to learn that would be in the book that we don't already know?

Gator

[beemer]

What's left to learn that would be in the book that we don't already know?

Gator

Yep thats for sure :beer:

[deacon]

What's left to learn that would be in the book that we don't already know?

Gator

Nothing. She is just trying to make money from an incomplete story.

[beemer]

Nothing. She is just trying to make money from an incomplete story.

Oh gawd there will prolly be a sequel :eek:

[deacon]

Oh gawd there will prolly be a sequel :eek:

And I will not buy that one either.:no::no:

[lorettalockhorn]

What else is there to talk about? Should we all just shut our computers until something comes up?

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooo

Already had flop sweat when I couldn't get on Crime Library all day. http://i34.tinypic.com/4jn79i.jpg

[deacon]

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooo

Already had flop sweat when I couldn't get on Crime Library all day. http://i34.tinypic.com/4jn79i.jpg

Yea, what was that all about?

[JLette]

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooo

Already had flop sweat when I couldn't get on Crime Library all day. http://i34.tinypic.com/4jn79i.jpg

oh good it wasn't just me then lol

[deacon]

oh good it wasn't just me then lol

Nope. I tried at lunch and couldn't either.:shrug:

[Nawny]

Then way are we talking about MJ. Don' they have a board for him. This is Tru Crime, no crime was comitted in MJ death. He ws over 18 and if he chose to abuse prescription drugs so be it.


http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil14.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)


Ouch?

[Nawny]

Thanks to one and all for the birthday wishes. What a friendly board we have here.

Yeth we is! You aint seen nuthin yet crabby. Stick wit us, we'll put cha name in lights wit da net cops! :hat:

[Nawny]

Well. Let me just tell you my tale of woe. These were cling peaches, not freestone, so I was going to spice/pickle them. But NOOOOOOooooooooo Leroy wanted a cobbler made with pie crust and a lattice top. What you describe is what I call peach crisp and would have been my preference. But no. So I made the thing to order and what did he do when I served him dessert? In bed no less?! He said he just had to have some sugar to sprinkle on the top. :flamemad::cuss::flamemad::cuss: And disarranged my baking cabinet to find it.

Men.

Rude.


MEN! DO it to him! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil20.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[lorettalockhorn]

MEN! DO it to him! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil20.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

hehehe

Speaking of groin injuries, did you see Saving Grace last night? :eek: she whupped up on a perp big time.

[Nawny]

What else is there to talk about? Should we all just shut our computers until something comes up?

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-merv/chaplin.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Whoops, forgot to tell you, Casey Anthony's been arrested for first degree murder of her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony! She said Zannie the Nanny did it! In case you didn't hear, she's up for the death penalty? And, her lawyer is a putz! ;)

[Nawny]

hehehe

Speaking of groin injuries, did you see Saving Grace last night? :eek: she whupped up on a perp big time.

Oooo noooo! I missed it. I was unwinding from two days with my weebles, sitting here catching up. Poppa told me if NG went on about MJ, he wouldn't call me into the den. (I'm in the kitchen) He just came in and told me he turned her off... :( Now he's off to bed.

What perp?

[lorettalockhorn]

Oooo noooo! I missed it. I was unwinding from two days with my weebles, sitting here catching up. Poppa told me if NG went on about MJ, he wouldn't call me into the den. (I'm in the kitchen) He just came in and told me he turned her off... :( Now he's off to bed.

What perp?

Now, I'm talking about Saving Grace (Holly Hunter), not Nancy Schmancy. I really had mixed emotions seeing tiny HH/Grace kicking the bomber in the family jewels and ribs over and over.

Glad you had enough fun with your Weebles to need unwinding! :beer: Leroy tolerates NG, but it's mostly because he's deaf as a post, not because of he's magnanimous.

[Nawny]

Now, I'm talking about Saving Grace (Holly Hunter), not Nancy Schmancy. I really had mixed emotions seeing tiny HH/Grace kicking the bomber in the family jewels and ribs over and over.

Glad you had enough fun with your Weebles to need unwinding! :beer: Leroy tolerates NG, but it's mostly because he's deaf as a post, not because of he's magnanimous.

LMAO!!!! I don't watch Saving Grace.. I thought, ,, ya know! :)

I had a great time with my energy packed weebs. I had all 5 of them for two days, and over night. They are delightfully funny, sweet and so full of information about exactly how it is that the world operates. I am a staunch follower of their philosophies. :) I think they should run the country!

However, they taught me today, that I am not as young as I used to be LOL!

[lorettalockhorn]

LMAO!!!! I don't watch Saving Grace.. I thought, ,, ya know! :)

I had a great time with my energy packed weebs. I had all 5 of them for two days, and over night. They are delightfully funny, sweet and so full of information about exactly how it is that the world operates. I am a staunch follower of their philosophies. :) I think they should run the country!

However, they taught me today, that I am not as young as I used to be LOL!

Yeah, I know. But it's okay because hey, you know. :hat: And BTW, I love you! :tongue:

Children have a profound philosophy. Just because their logic can't be explained by adults or in incomprehensible terms doesn't mean that it isn't every bit as verifiable as their jaded counterparts'.

[Nawny]

Yeah, I know. But it's okay because hey, you know. :hat: And BTW, I love you! :tongue:

Children have a profound philosophy. Just because their logic can't be explained by adults or in incomprehensible terms doesn't mean that it isn't every bit as verifiable as their jaded counterparts'.

Absolutely! Anything you want to know about life, ask a kid! Believe it!

Nawny loves you too! :)

GOodnight, sleep tight !

[Justice Denied?]

Ahhh peach cobbler-on my way...... I dont have a link by either heard/read that MJ's parents have not resided together for several years now. No mention of a divorce so i gather they are just gone their separate ways. MOO

Don't have a link either, but on the CNN program that comes on mid-afternoon it was reported that Katherine and Joe have not lived together in about 10 years. She lives at the family compound they are showing on tv. He lives in Las Vegas. I believe I had heard that somewhere before. So the kids should be safe at the compound, especially if Grace, the nanny is there.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't have a link either, but on the CNN program that comes on mid-afternoon it was reported that Katherine and Joe have not lived together in about 10 years. She lives at the family compound they are showing on tv. He lives in Las Vegas. I believe I had heard that somewhere before. So the kids should be safe at the compound, especially if Grace, the nanny is there.

This is interesting; that MJ owns/owned "the family compound" that we hear so much about. Maybe he had some sayso as to whom actually lived there:

http://realestalker.blogspot.com/2007/12/more-real-estate-woes-for-michael.html

http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/40232/

[One2Snoop]

Hmmm.... this is interesting. I wonder if NG was only allowed to ask certain questions.


Nancy Grace to feature Cindy Anthony in upcoming 2-part special

On the upcoming Friday and Monday episodes of Nancy Grace's HLN show, she will scrutinize Cindy Anthony, mother of accused murderer, Casey Anthony.

Cindy Anthony is no stranger to media and public scrutiny. She and her husband George have appeared on numerous television shows unabashedly supporting their daughter, Casey, accused of murdering their granddaughter, 2-year-old Caylee.

Casey is charged with killing her daughter and dumping the body, enclosed in trash bags, in a wooded area near the Anthony family home. Caylee’s skull was found with duct tape wrapped around the nose and mouth area.

Casey told authorities the last time she saw her little girl was around June 16, 2008, when she dropped her off with a babysitter. Police investigated Casey’s story, but found the babysitter did not exist and the address Casey had given them for the sitter was an apartment that had not been occupied for months.

Cindy Anthony contacted authorities to report Caylee missing when Casey could not produce her granddaughter for over a month.

Grace’s special is entitled, “Nancy Grace Investigates: Raw & Uncensored Cindy Anthony Caught on Tape!”

Hal Boedecker reports the show is billed by HLN as “a special inside look at the mother of accused killer Casey Anthony.” The two-part program will examine moments from Cindy’s deposition in the Zenaida Gonzalez defamation lawsuit against Casey. To see the complete video of Cindy's deposition, click here.

Part 1 is scheduled to air Friday and Part 2 on Monday. You can watch live streaming of both parts when they air, by clicking here.

Casey’s murder trial is tentatively scheduled for Oct. 12, but due to legal complexities, will likely be delayed until sometime in 2010.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d30-Nancy-Grace-to-feature-Cindy-Anthony-in-upcoming-2part-special

[Marian Paroo]

Are you a man or a woman. I wanted to ask your age but you never, never, never ask a woman her age. Happy Happy Birthday to you I hope you get to spend it with the people you love and totally enjoy your day. :beer::rose:

You can ask me my age anytime!

I'm all woman and don't have anything to hide!

[SaraSidle]

Hmmm.... this is interesting. I wonder if NG was only allowed to ask certain questions.

WOW that will be quite the show. I am surprised they have agreed to it. :chicken:

[jas72]

Are you a man or a woman. I wanted to ask your age but you never, never, never ask a woman her age. Happy Happy Birthday to you I hope you get to spend it with the people you love and totally enjoy your day. :beer::rose:

I'm at a loss as to how I shoud react to that question. Either I'm an effeminate-looking man or one masculine-looking woman. For the record, I'm a man who just turned 59 years old yesterday.

[deacon]

WOW that will be quite the show. I am surprised they have agreed to it. :chicken:

Wonder if they will bring the "boat"?:D

[Gatordog]

Hmmm.... this is interesting. I wonder if NG was only allowed to ask certain questions.

I wonder if it's new stuff or just compiling all the previous clips into one special. There may be a lot of tape that wasn't shown. I cannot believe the CA would actually sit down with NG and answer questions again. This should be interesting.

Gator

[beemer]

You can ask me my age anytime!

I'm all woman and don't have anything to hide!

Me either-I am happy to claim a number :beer:

[old_soul]

I'm at a loss as to how I shoud react to that question. Either I'm an effeminate-looking man or one masculine-looking woman. For the record, I'm a man who just turned 59 years old yesterday.



LMAO! Well Jas, if that is your pic, you look like a movie star..no one would have thought your avi was really you! BTW, hardly effeminate, rest assured...sure you're not a movie star?? Belated birthday wishes, it's all good! Hey, you're as young as you want to be, ;).

I think you look like Peter Fonda...:)

[beemer]

Wonder if they will bring the "boat"?:D

Thats all they may have left to drive or the ATV when the money pit stops :eek:

[Nawny]

I'm at a loss as to how I shoud react to that question. Either I'm an effeminate-looking man or one masculine-looking woman. For the record, I'm a man who just turned 59 years old yesterday.

Haaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Good answer! Happy birthday again! Aye you look good for 59. Is that over a hundred? It might be because I'm 59 and it feels like over a hundred. I used to be so strong. :hat: I used to smoke too, until the people on this board made me quit. :no: They're very controlling here. :hat:

BTW, you don't look like a woman. ;)

[old_soul]

Haaaaa!!!!!!!!!!! Good answer! Happy birthday again! Aye you look good for 59. Is that over a hundred? It might be because I'm 59 and it feels like over a hundred. I used to be so strong. :hat: I used to smoke too, until the people on this board made me quit. :no: They're very controlling here. :hat:

BTW, you don't look like a woman. ;)

Na Na Na Na Na! :tongue:

Hey, let's not go there..I'm feeling old as dirt right about now meeeeeeeeself...If Jas counts his Bday's like I do, at 50 you just start counting back a year...or jump back five...or...Good Lord, he just might be more close to that hundred than we thought! :hat:

Nawn, we have saved you from yourself...http://i41.tinypic.com/23ihu37.jpg:beer:

If only we could have saved bebe Caylee.

[Gatordog]

Na Na Na Na Na! :tongue:

Hey, let's not go there..I'm feeling old as dirt right about now meeeeeeeeself...If Jas counts his Bday's like I do, at 50 you just start counting back a year...or jump back five...or...Good Lord, he just might be more close to that hundred than we thought! :hat:

Nawn, we have saved you from yourself...http://i41.tinypic.com/23ihu37.jpg:beer:

If only we could have saved bebe Caylee.

OS, you are just a laugh a minute. I love people who make me laugh unlike those who make me :mad: If everytime you laugh, you would go back a day in age, I bet you would be 18 again. ;)

Gator

[Amy]

Not one I will buy.:no:

Me either. I like the books I read to have the ending in the book. Some people like sequals (sp) I don't so much. I didn't buy nor read Catherine Crier's book about Scott Peterson that was written before the trial, either. I did watch a documentary that came out about the time he was arrested. And it contained even quite a bit of misinformation even then. And, in all the times it has been shown since, there is never any corrections, not even any updates on the case. So people are left with misinformation that years later they will still offer as fact. The authors could certainly start writing their books, gathering their information from the get-go of a case, but they should wait till the fat lady sings to publish it--hopefully with corrections to any misinformation found @ the first, and information that comes out of the trial, and, of course, the verdict and sentencing. But that's just me.

[Amy]

What's left to learn that would be in the book that we don't already know?

Gator

Exactly. We have all had access to the same documents she seems to include in her book. And we have all discussed the hundred different theories. And read the interviews, or even watched them on national tv of all the players except Casey Anthony. Wonder what more information any of the ones she interviewed would give that they didn't give to NG or JVM or Geraldo? Especially if her interviews were about the same time they were on those shows?

[Amy]

Yeah, I know. But it's okay because hey, you know. :hat: And BTW, I love you! :tongue:

Children have a profound philosophy. Just because their logic can't be explained by adults or in incomprehensible terms doesn't mean that it isn't every bit as verifiable as their jaded counterparts'.

As they say--Out of the mouths of babes. It is so true. They see things simplistically, and probably most of the ills of the world COULD be solved by following how they see things, and their ideas of how to do it. We just get more complicated as we age, put too many variables in the equation. God forbid if we just came up with the simple and logical ways to take care of things.

I'm not exactly looking forward to becoming a grandma--but sure hope when the time comes, I am as lucky as Nawny to be close enough to have them over often--heck, maybe even babysit!!! At least that would mean my kids had doggone JOBS!!!! lol

[Amy]

Hmmm.... this is interesting. I wonder if NG was only allowed to ask certain questions.

The way I read the blurb, it seems NG will be using footage already in place of Cindy Anthony in various interviews and such. I do believe that, every time CA went on a show she provided a list of what COULD be asked, and if it wasn't on the list, don't even go there. From day one. I did notice in all the interviews she gave, if the host started asking any hard questions, Cindy shut down, going back to, I am only here to keep Caylee's face in the news. And I notice that NG has been out of grace w/Cindy Anthony for a long, long time. I can't remember when was the last time Cindy or George were on her program, or even how many times.

[Amy]

Then way are we talking about MJ. Don' they have a board for him. This is Tru Crime, no crime was comitted in MJ death. He ws over 18 and if he chose to abuse prescription drugs so be it.

I don't know, cuz I quit watching anything MJ after the first day or so. But, does not daddy Joe seem to think there might be more going on, demanding a second autopsy and all. And, the little bit I did listen to, there seemed to be conversations amongst show hosts and th's about the amount of prescription drugs, and how many doctors might be involved and all that, pretty much on the same line as Anna Nicole Smith--and didn't that all turn into a foul play scenario?

[deacon]

I don't know, cuz I quit watching anything MJ after the first day or so. But, does not daddy Joe seem to think there might be more going on, demanding a second autopsy and all. And, the little bit I did listen to, there seemed to be conversations amongst show hosts and th's about the amount of prescription drugs, and how many doctors might be involved and all that, pretty much on the same line as Anna Nicole Smith--and didn't that all turn into a foul play scenario?

I think the second autopsy is "damage control." They want to continue to ride the gravy train or start back riding the gravy train and think that if his reputation is messed up by the knowledge of drug abuse the train will stop.

[Mojo]

**WARNING OT***

I thought I'd put the warning in before I got verbally smacked! Just saw this and am scratching my head.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529837,00.html?test=latestnews

Why is this on fox news?? This doesn't seem like anything that news worthy. That is until I saw where. No one reported the smell and the cops just showed up. Then waited for search warrant. I'm sure I'm reaching here but my first thought was Haleigh??

[Mojo]

Wait a minute. I'm an idiot. Just ignore my post. I need to start drinking!

[SaraSidle]

Exactly. We have all had access to the same documents she seems to include in her book. And we have all discussed the hundred different theories. And read the interviews, or even watched them on national tv of all the players except Casey Anthony. Wonder what more information any of the ones she interviewed would give that they didn't give to NG or JVM or Geraldo? Especially if her interviews were about the same time they were on those shows?

there are actually a lot of people I know that did not really follow the case. just headlines in and on the news. I know cause even DH would look at me like" when are you going to stop talking about this??". And there might be those that are not crime posters but love to read books. Personally I cannot go through that whole thing again. The first time wore me out emotionally and mentally.......IMO sara

[Marian Paroo]

Me either-I am happy to claim a number :beer:

54. 55 in November.

The thought of retiring in 12 year is :eek:

[beemer]

Wait a minute. I'm an idiot. Just ignore my post. I need to start drinking!

No worries-bin there done dat LOL

[Zingo]

I wonder if it's new stuff or just compiling all the previous clips into one special. There may be a lot of tape that wasn't shown. I cannot believe the CA would actually sit down with NG and answer questions again. This should be interesting.

Gator

That's how I interpreted it. NG will likely splice together all the little video/audio moments we've seen of Cindy over the last year. What will be interesting is to try to get a better sense of when exactly Cindy turned into an obstructor, after initially telling police: I don't care about my daughter. All I care about is finding my grand-daughter.

[SaraSidle]

That's how I interpreted it. NG will likely splice together all the little video/audio moments we've seen of Cindy over the last year. What will be interesting is to try to get a better sense of when exactly Cindy turned into an obstructor, after initially telling police: I don't care about my daughter. All I care about is finding my grand-daughter.

I think it started at pizza box IMO sara

[Marian Paroo]

Wait a minute. I'm an idiot. Just ignore my post. I need to start drinking!

I'm just finishing a shot of Jordanian arack, with a splash of water and some ice. Peace is good.

Made fresh popcorn, on the stove, not microcr@p, to go with it.

[BeastofBears]

Wonder if they will bring the "boat"?:D

I wonder if Nancy will bring a tazer!

This should be interesting. Watch Larry King? no. Watch Nancy Grace? oh yeah!

[BeastofBears]

I'm just finishing a shot of Jordanian arack, with a splash of water and some ice. Peace is good.

Made fresh popcorn, on the stove, not microcr@p, to go with it.

Arak is scary. Bad memories here!

[Marian Paroo]

Arak is scary. Bad memories here!

What can I tell you?

Good arak rocks.

So does Raki. I ordered Raki at a bar in Istanbul, and the bartender hesitantly told me, "you know, that isn't a lady's drink." I told him that I was from Israel and drank arak. He said, "Well, that's okay then" and poured me a double.

Didn't have the nerve to order the Turkish equivalent of a boilermaker: beer and arak chaser.

[lorettalockhorn]

As they say--Out of the mouths of babes. It is so true. They see things simplistically, and probably most of the ills of the world COULD be solved by following how they see things, and their ideas of how to do it. We just get more complicated as we age, put too many variables in the equation. God forbid if we just came up with the simple and logical ways to take care of things.

I'm not exactly looking forward to becoming a grandma--but sure hope when the time comes, I am as lucky as Nawny to be close enough to have them over often--heck, maybe even babysit!!! At least that would mean my kids had doggone JOBS!!!! lol

Ain't it the truth?!?!! My Little Love wants kid(s) and thinks he's ready as soon as he finds a suitable mother for the child, but he's a fgypsy; in grad school and travels back and forth across the country as a whitewater raft guide and ski guide. :rolleyes::confused: I'm thinking he should settle down, go to work, start a retirement fund, and get married. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Na Na Na Na Na! :tongue:

Hey, let's not go there..I'm feeling old as dirt right about now meeeeeeeeself...If Jas counts his Bday's like I do, at 50 you just start counting back a year...or jump back five...or...Good Lord, he just might be more close to that hundred than we thought! :hat:

Nawn, we have saved you from yourself...http://i41.tinypic.com/23ihu37.jpg:beer:

If only we could have saved bebe Caylee.

hmmm That's looks suspiciously like my new DL pic. :eek:

Wait a minute. I'm an idiot. Just ignore my post. I need to start drinking!

I think we're all brilliant and observant. BUT you should still have a drink. :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

That's how I interpreted it. NG will likely splice together all the little video/audio moments we've seen of Cindy over the last year. What will be interesting is to try to get a better sense of when exactly Cindy turned into an obstructor, after initially telling police: I don't care about my daughter. All I care about is finding my grand-daughter.

It's going to be interesting what tenor NG takes when it comes to Cindy. I'm hoping that the questions that we have about just when G&C went to the dark side will be answered. Agree with Sara that that rotten pizza fabrication stinks.

[Gatordog]

**WARNING OT***

I thought I'd put the warning in before I got verbally smacked! Just saw this and am scratching my head.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529837,00.html?test=latestnews

Why is this on fox news?? This doesn't seem like anything that news worthy. That is until I saw where. No one reported the smell and the cops just showed up. Then waited for search warrant. I'm sure I'm reaching here but my first thought was Haleigh??

This is about five hours south of where Haleigh went missing. From what I heard locally, the man who lives there had not been seen since, I think, last Thursday and he was reported missing.

[BeastofBears]

What can I tell you?

Good arak rocks.

So does Raki. I ordered Raki at a bar in Istanbul, and the bartender hesitantly told me, "you know, that isn't a lady's drink." I told him that I was from Israel and drank arak. He said, "Well, that's okay then" and poured me a double.

Didn't have the nerve to order the Turkish equivalent of a boilermaker: beer and arak chaser.

lol! The unit director who was doing that disappeared for 3 days and said he woke up by the Dead Sea, no idea how he got there! Could have been an alibi for heaven know's what, but that is some strong stuff. Tastes so nice, but huge kick! The Israeli team just pointed at us and laughed. They could have warned us, lol!

[old_soul]

Now that we have heard just about every darn bombshell that could possibly be, I wish, just once ~

That every single thing that really should be addressed to Cynthia Anthony ~ be addressed! Enough of this crap! Time for the real questions, and will NG do it? Nah. Certain 'media' types are still babying the grandparents because of their loss, and it won't look right. :rolleyes: The only one who addressed anything close was Morgan. Meanwhile, they have done irrepairable damage by not being truthful (the dog/cindy brush), lying about the stealing, etc, etc...LE has gone around in circles at times because of these three.

Time to send NG some e mails again to offer and/or suggest to ask the hard questions, and see what the Grinch will say once she is cornered.

Hey Cindy, if you had the nanny's addresss and number, why didn't you call her?
Hey Cindy, what do you make of Casey's newest tattoo, and why would Casey get that one after Caylee disappeared?
Hey Cindy, who had the fight with her, you or Georgie Porgie?
Hey Cindy...wanna buy a t shirt?...http://i39.tinypic.com/ayul8y.jpg

[Nawny]

Na Na Na Na Na! :tongue:

Hey, let's not go there..I'm feeling old as dirt right about now meeeeeeeeself...If Jas counts his Bday's like I do, at 50 you just start counting back a year...or jump back five...or...Good Lord, he just might be more close to that hundred than we thought! :hat:

Nawn, we have saved you from yourself...http://i41.tinypic.com/23ihu37.jpg:beer:

If only we could have saved bebe Caylee.


Yes little Libra... you and Gator helped. It was one thing I had not tried -- Auriculotherapy. I went again today to get some of RI's version of it and I told him to put the tacs in both ears this time because I was starting to panic. I took a few drags off poppa marlboro and I hate those.. but I was concerned because I wanted to smoke. It is so amazing.. I still can't believe it. I tried so very, very hard to stop for the past few years. Now, if I didn't' read these boards, I'd have never known about this. I took the CHantix for 6 months.. bad stuff.

I read an article about Chantix today and it talked about putting a warning on the drug because of the high rate of suicide and the psychotic reactions. Horrible!

Uh oh, this is not the anything board. I'm off topic. Lettuce anyone?

:chicken: