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beemer
06-13-2009, 10:34 AM
Nawny just unplugged your telephone and put it in the safe. ;)
Yes our angst is about the death of a little girl who had no choices. All true. She has just about become the mascot for all murdered children. Strange how the A's are angry about that and very strange that they are not soothed about the fact that Caylee is loved by strangers. Why is that? I would be. (I think)
But Then MKlass did say he was"relieved" when the memorial for Polly was taken down. Hmmm. I can see that in a way. The reason why I won't wear a cross around my neck. :shrug:
Nawner's cant i just go to the blue chair? Your taking away my life lines :biggrin: Yes i can understand what Mark said too. I am sure he embraced the outpouring of luv people extended in other ways. Unlike some other folks we know :eek:
BeastofBears
06-13-2009, 10:42 AM
Where have you been discussing the Cummings case?
Not that there has been a lot of criminal case talk on www.gretawire.com , but you can't even write the name proper on her boards, you gotta write something like "Comings" -- her autocensor is a real maroon, you can't even write the word "circumstances"!!!!! :biggrin:
THAT is funny!!!!
BeastofBears
06-13-2009, 10:45 AM
My gawd he was only 25? I had heard of him but not real familiar with his credibility etc. Sorry to speak somewhat ill of one who has passed. Anyone know what kind of cancer so young?
I poked around, but couldn't find the type. Maybe he kept it private:shrug:
I bet he wouldn't mind you "speaking somewhat ill" of him...he seemed like a very opinionated person and did not care if folks didn't like it, so I bet he would appreciate your honest assessment of anything he had to say. His site, after all, was the DailyBS! He said he started it because he was sick of seeing bad guys praised in the media, so he started DBS to combat that...
BeastofBears
06-13-2009, 10:50 AM
Nawny just unplugged your telephone and put it in the safe. ;)
Yes our angst is about the death of a little girl who had no choices. All true. She has just about become the mascot for all murdered children. Strange how the A's are angry about that and very strange that they are not soothed about the fact that Caylee is loved by strangers. Why is that? I would be. (I think)
But Then MKlass did say he was"relieved" when the memorial for Polly was taken down. Hmmm. I can see that in a way. The reason why I won't wear a cross around my neck. :shrug:
The memorial where she was found really commemorated a horrible event, her body being found under a piece of plywood in a dumping area. That last event shouldn't be what was memorialized, imo. I think his work is the best memorial...now Polly's name is forever associated with helping children, instead of being associated with that POS that killed her. I totally get that he has more peace where she was decently laid to rest...of course, she was LAID TO REST, which is a normal response to a death...
all imo.
beemer
06-13-2009, 10:56 AM
Great posts Bob-Yes it must have been a horrible reminder for Mark. I will never ever forget that monsters last words in that courtroom. That is seared in my brain forever.
BeastofBears
06-13-2009, 11:08 AM
Great posts Bob-Yes it must have been a horrible reminder for Mark. I will never ever forget that monsters last words in that courtroom. That is seared in my brain forever.
When that guy goes to their newly redecorated death chamber in San Quentin, I will hold a very vindictive toast to his last gasp, I swear. He is the worst of the worst! At least we can thank him for the three strikes law! When that went through, there was talk he would have to be protected because so many felons got life thanks to him...
beemer
06-13-2009, 11:32 AM
When that guy goes to their newly redecorated death chamber in San Quentin, I will hold a very vindictive toast to his last gasp, I swear. He is the worst of the worst! At least we can thank him for the three strikes law! When that went through, there was talk he would have to be protected because so many felons got life thanks to him...
If i was near i would be outside clinking my glass. What a waste of skin.
BeastofBears
06-13-2009, 11:35 AM
If i was near i would be outside clinking my glass. What a waste of skin.
I think Mark Klass called him that right after sentencing...
JLette
06-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Oh for sure-Hi NA good to see ya-where ya bin? :seeya: They opened themselves up to it :shrug: I really wonder what the trial will be like. Will they be able to sit in the courtroom and not blurt something out when they listen day after day? I wonder. They wont be able to sit there and sigh and roll their eyes and shake their heads. I expect some drama in the courtroom. MOO
a judge can kick out disruptive people from the courtroom yes? that is what i look forward too, seeing cindy's face when the judge tells them both they have to leave if they won't shut the hell up
beemer
06-13-2009, 12:15 PM
a judge can kick out disruptive people from the courtroom yes? that is what i look forward too, seeing cindy's face when the judge tells them both they have to leave if they won't shut the hell up
I can just hear her-how dare the judge speak to ME like that. There is no way in my opine they will get thru this trial with no expressions or an outburst. They may as well just stay away and go boating :shrug:
JLette
06-13-2009, 12:24 PM
I can just hear her-how dare the judge speak to ME like that. There is no way in my opine they will get thru this trial with no expressions or an outburst. They may as well just stay away and go boating :shrug:
hahaha but if they do that then about 1/4 of the entertainment value of this circus act is going to be gone!!! :biggrin: although im sure casey will do at least ONE thing wrong, cindy is the real clown in this family.
i was just a kid when the OJ trial was happening but i do remember watching it everyday with my mom, they called it the trial of the century, well, now we have one for this century too i guess
beemer
06-13-2009, 01:36 PM
hahaha but if they do that then about 1/4 of the entertainment value of this circus act is going to be gone!!! :biggrin: although im sure casey will do at least ONE thing wrong, cindy is the real clown in this family.
i was just a kid when the OJ trial was happening but i do remember watching it everyday with my mom, they called it the trial of the century, well, now we have one for this century too i guess
Yep sure got the OJ trial beat. I taped every single day of it i could not be home to watch. And the really good part is Liar is not a celebrity-at least not in the real world. Juror's wont like her from the get go. ;)
Nawny
06-13-2009, 01:37 PM
Nawner's cant i just go to the blue chair? Your taking away my life lines :biggrin: Yes i can understand what Mark said too. I am sure he embraced the outpouring of luv people extended in other ways. Unlike some other folks we know :eek:
Yes ITA! Mark Klass is a decent human being in all ways. He is normal, that is. THe A's are not able to share Caylee in life or death and that makes no sense. If they had at least let her play with other little children, perhaps she would have enjoyed her little life more. That Klause report about the competition between Casey and Cindy was nauseating wasn't it? Who gave her a better birthday present???? Who does that? It leans more and more toward the possibility that it was a spite murder. Nuts!
Hey you and os are not allowed to hang around together any more! Nawny only has one blue chair and L-lockhorn is usually in it. Phone!!! ;)
Nawny
06-13-2009, 01:42 PM
The memorial where she was found really commemorated a horrible event, her body being found under a piece of plywood in a dumping area. That last event shouldn't be what was memorialized, imo. I think his work is the best memorial...now Polly's name is forever associated with helping children, instead of being associated with that POS that killed her. I totally get that he has more peace where she was decently laid to rest...of course, she was LAID TO REST, which is a normal response to a death...
all imo.
Thank Youuuuuu!!!!!! :rose: Poor Caylee got nothing but a horse and pony show.. and a narcissistic display of despicable showmanship from her grandparents and uncle. Disgusting! No grave for Caylee. No monument, no nothin. May they all get the same when they roll a seven. May they get nothin.
beemer
06-13-2009, 01:46 PM
Yes ITA! Mark Klass is a decent human being in all ways. He is normal, that is. THe A's are not able to share Caylee in life or death and that makes no sense. If they had at least let her play with other little children, perhaps she would have enjoyed her little life more. That Klause report about the competition between Casey and Cindy was nauseating wasn't it? Who gave her a better birthday present???? Who does that? It leans more and more toward the possibility that it was a spite murder. Nuts!
Hey you and os are not allowed to hang around together any more! Nawny only has one blue chair and L-lockhorn is usually in it. Phone!!! ;)
Cant ya just ground us for a week pretty pleeeez. Or get a blue couch? LOL
http://www.wesh.com/news/19728108/detail.html
Thanks for the link! Interesting stuff there.
OH Geez, Bozo advise her how to be bi-polar? Sounds like it to me,l cop a nut job and you get the state hospital instead of the needle?? "Screams in the middle of the night"? Faking nightmares? Getting chummy and chatty with the CO's. Me thinks something stinks here and they can go for an insanity offense, but that does not mean it would ever stick as people and especially potential jurists, are sick to death of this child killing piece of dog s*it already and they want her dead yesterday! And of course Cindy is licking her chops tonight over that bowl of cream, she successfully blocked (FOR NOW) the autopsy report and it has me sitting up wondering what is in it, she does not want the public to know? But if SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY the cameras had better be f&cking on her sorry ass from every angle and I just wish LE could charge this useless camerawhore with something that would put her in prison!!! Hurry up with this trial, I am getting any younger here!!
They can do all the insanity carp they want to @ this point, and it will be useless as to the time that Caylee was murdered, and THAT is when her sanity counts. Besides, if they tho't they were going to go that way, they would have jumped on the bandwagon opportunity Lenamon gave them months ago, IMO. Too little, too late IMO.
And, she did have the psych evals before she was bonded out--IMO, if there was ANYTHING in those evals that would allow for anything insanity related, they would have jumped on it then. IMO, there was nothing in those evals (or was it just one?) that would lend credence for an insanity plea. Don't think she could even be held not stable to stand trial @ this point. She's too much in charge of what's going on, participating in her hearings. If there was anything like that, they would present her as a drooling blunderbus @ the motions she is required to attend. IMO.
I got wrapped up in the Cummings case on another board. But I still come back and post here when I feel that I have something to contribute to the conversation.
I think that they will likely end up being banned from the courtroom before it is all over. I have watched them and I know that Conway has no control over any of the Anthonys. Nor do any of them actually listen to what he has to say to them.
I don't see the judge in this case allowing the type of behavior that we have seen from any of the Anthonys to take place in front of a jury. So I think that there will be a couple of warning and then he will put them out of the courtroom.
I just cannot see Cindy, especially, but George, too, reacting to any testimony being given. Heck, I would certainly expect either of them to jump up and yell "OBJECTION!!!!!!" Not sure so much about Lee. He really seems to make an attempt to distance himself. There were just a couple of times that he was doing anything, like taking down that big cardboard sign when he was telling the people things that I perceive as lies about what the protesters could and could not do. And then, removing memorials in front of the house. All the other stuff was in interviews and depos (well, except the memorial travesty.) IMO
One2Snoop
06-13-2009, 02:32 PM
My gawd he was only 25? I had heard of him but not real familiar with his credibility etc. Sorry to speak somewhat ill of one who has passed. Anyone know what kind of cancer so young?
I don't remember off-hand but I believe it was brain cancer....
http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=292736
beemer
06-13-2009, 02:58 PM
I don't remember off-hand but I believe it was brain cancer....
http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=292736
Thanks Snoop-so sad. Perhaps that explains why his LE interview was hard to follow. Poor guy :rose:
Native Alien
06-13-2009, 03:52 PM
a judge can kick out disruptive people from the courtroom yes? that is what i look forward too, seeing cindy's face when the judge tells them both they have to leave if they won't shut the hell up
I am thinking that in this case they don't even have to be necessarily disruptive, just not being quiet and emotionless while in the courtroom with the jury present.
I have heard judges give instructions without the jury present that the audience has to be quiet and there will be no outward displays of emotions at the evidence or testimony before at trials. People are not usually allowed with food or water or gum into the courtroom either.
So I really get the feeling that the A's won't last long in the courtroom.
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 04:10 PM
Mornin Beemer! I heard or read that is wasn't crushed.
I've read that too per Dr. G, but I don't think it's a sure sign that Caylee wasn't strangled.
Agree! I expect some protesting from the A's in court too. I also expect that they will be mega warned by Baez and Conway and counselors, but as we know.. that doesn't work. They will get their daughter hanged, because they are not able to solicit pity from the jury, I'm thinking. I mean even facial expressions and mime in a jury's view, is not allowed in court. Yes, they'll get put out. IMO. Hell they won't even allow picture buttons of the victim pinned on clothing these days.
I do not think George will be able to endure all the details being spoken day after day. He will have to be drugged. CA won't pay attention to them, and neither will liar, is my guess. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
I don't think G&C either one have the patience or tolerance to sit quietly through day after day of proceedings. Conway better make sure that they're medicated and mind their Ps & Qs. (Although it would be comeuppance for either or both of them to be ousted from the courtroom.)
BeastofBears
06-13-2009, 04:13 PM
I am thinking that in this case they don't even have to be necessarily disruptive, just not being quiet and emotionless while in the courtroom with the jury present.
I have heard judges give instructions without the jury present that the audience has to be quiet and there will be no outward displays of emotions at the evidence or testimony before at trials. People are not usually allowed with food or water or gum into the courtroom either.
So I really get the feeling that the A's won't last long in the courtroom.
Let's see...channeling Strickland...it's coming into focus..."Dear audience, The court system is transparent and you are welcome here. However, please note that the Court will tolerate no outbursts, displays of emotion, skeptical chit-chat, gum chewing, water-bottle brandishing, hammers, hoses, displays of shamrocks, cuddling of urn-teddies, or solicitations for donations. Thank you for your cooperation...oh, and please don't wear puke-green! It hurts the Court's brain."
(yes, that was satire, litigators!)
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 04:16 PM
The memorial where she was found really commemorated a horrible event, her body being found under a piece of plywood in a dumping area. That last event shouldn't be what was memorialized, imo. I think his work is the best memorial...now Polly's name is forever associated with helping children, instead of being associated with that POS that killed her. I totally get that he has more peace where she was decently laid to rest...of course, she was LAID TO REST, which is a normal response to a death...
all imo.
When that guy goes to their newly redecorated death chamber in San Quentin, I will hold a very vindictive toast to his last gasp, I swear. He is the worst of the worst! At least we can thank him for the three strikes law! When that went through, there was talk he would have to be protected because so many felons got life thanks to him...
Two excellent posts. He is as odious a man as Mark Klaas is a fine one. When The State of California drops a dime on Davis, we should toast him with a large Haterade. They should forget to sedate him just for his remarks to MK in the courtroom.
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 04:22 PM
Yes ITA! Mark Klass is a decent human being in all ways. He is normal, that is. THe A's are not able to share Caylee in life or death and that makes no sense. If they had at least let her play with other little children, perhaps she would have enjoyed her little life more. That Klause report about the competition between Casey and Cindy was nauseating wasn't it? Who gave her a better birthday present???? Who does that? It leans more and more toward the possibility that it was a spite murder. Nuts!
Hey you and os are not allowed to hang around together any more! Nawny only has one blue chair and L-lockhorn is usually in it. Phone!!! ;)
Well, we shouldn't be surprised that Caylee didn't have any little playmates now that we know what control freaks all the Ants are. That's a big part of what abusive types do; they isolate their victim(s).
AAAAAAAHHHHAHA Flove it that My Evil Grandmother's blue chair is part of the CL vernacular. :hat:
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 04:26 PM
They can do all the insanity carp they want to @ this point, and it will be useless as to the time that Caylee was murdered, and THAT is when her sanity counts. Besides, if they tho't they were going to go that way, they would have jumped on the bandwagon opportunity Lenamon gave them months ago, IMO. Too little, too late IMO.
And, she did have the psych evals before she was bonded out--IMO, if there was ANYTHING in those evals that would allow for anything insanity related, they would have jumped on it then. IMO, there was nothing in those evals (or was it just one?) that would lend credence for an insanity plea. Don't think she could even be held not stable to stand trial @ this point. She's too much in charge of what's going on, participating in her hearings. If there was anything like that, they would present her as a drooling blunderbus @ the motions she is required to attend. IMO.
Amy, that's so true about Casey's state of mind at the time of the crime. What good does all this acting like a whack job do now? It won't erase the coverup and the lies and the obstruction and she's not going to cop a plea. Not if she plans on soaking up the rays on Miami Beach. Um, did you say blunderbus or bubblebutt? LMAO
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 04:38 PM
Let's see...channeling Strickland...it's coming into focus..."Dear audience, The court system is transparent and you are welcome here. However, please note that the Court will tolerate no outbursts, displays of emotion, skeptical chit-chat, gum chewing, water-bottle brandishing, hammers, hoses, displays of shamrocks, cuddling of urn-teddies, or solicitations for donations. Thank you for your cooperation...oh, and please don't wear puke-green! It hurts the Court's brain."
(yes, that was satire, litigators!)
That would be great! And it's too bad that people can even imagine that the family of the victim ight need to be reminded of cultured behavior in the courtroom. Love Strickland. http://i17.tinypic.com/23lz78k.jpg Bet he runs a tight ship. But would give a pretty penny to hear him chastise the Ants for any of their previously disrespectful behaviors!
I might be behind the times but have you guys seen the Casey Anthony Karma Doll? If you scroll down near the bottom of the link there is a little video demonstation of the doll. :eek: If this is old news I apologize.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d11-Video-The-Casey-Anthony-Karma-Doll
One2Snoop
06-13-2009, 05:31 PM
I might be behind the times but have you guys seen the Casey Anthony Karma Doll? If you scroll down near the bottom of the link there is a little video demonstation of the doll. :eek: If this is old news I apologize.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d11-Video-The-Casey-Anthony-Karma-Doll
:eek: Going a little too far IMO - bizarre!
JLette
06-13-2009, 05:42 PM
I might be behind the times but have you guys seen the Casey Anthony Karma Doll? If you scroll down near the bottom of the link there is a little video demonstation of the doll. :eek: If this is old news I apologize.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d11-Video-The-Casey-Anthony-Karma-Doll
i clicked the link to read about the psychic sisters who claimed to have "seen caylee's last moments".....i don't put a lot of faith in stuff like that on general principle BUT their version of events DOES sound at least like a plausible theory.....poor caylee :(:rose:
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 05:59 PM
I might be behind the times but have you guys seen the Casey Anthony Karma Doll? If you scroll down near the bottom of the link there is a little video demonstation of the doll. :eek: If this is old news I apologize.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d11-Video-The-Casey-Anthony-Karma-Doll
Okay, okay. I'll admit it. I got a little chuckle out of scenario #3. But I wanted her to go out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I've read that too per Dr. G, but I don't think it's a sure sign that Caylee wasn't strangled.
I don't think G&C either one have the patience or tolerance to sit quietly through day after day of proceedings. Conway better make sure that they're medicated and mind their Ps & Qs. (Although it would be comeuppance for either or both of them to be ousted from the courtroom.)
Or, even outside the courtroom--when court is out, and everyone heading home---you KNOW the media will be on them like flies on honey. It would greatly surprise me if, after all this time, they would politely say, "no comment" and walk away.
wind149
06-13-2009, 06:02 PM
She is no more mentally ill than I am, this is all a show, she knows there is so much damming evidence against her and I heard on Jane the other night that she is trying to call the shots and wants the trial moved to Miami so get this, when she is found NOT GUILTY she can go and hang out at the beach and I can't help but wonder what crap Bozo is feeding her, like he has her thinking she will hit that beach instead of a death row cell??? She seriously thinks along with her loser parents that she is going to beat this rap and all will be well, she can go back out crotch dancing and partying the night away, living off her parents and not have the "snotface" around her anymore to drag her down. I can't wait to see her face when the verdict comes in and it is not the one she wants, I predict we will finally see a complete meltdown, and it will be all about her and her life, and then the sentencing when the judge looks at her and says may, God have mercy on your soul and she heads to DR to wallow away the years till an execution date looms on the horizon.
MAYBE even Cindy might shut the f*ck up for once, Did I ask you guys if you thought they would attend her execution? I think yes, they will want to say goodbye to her, and then other people think no, so it could go either way. And as for this new behavior, it is all a pile of crap, and she has no idea it makes her look so much worse because until this new ploy, she has not shown much emotion and now to hear she is having "nightmares" and screaming out Caylee's name? And going from Chatty Casey to shut down Susie is someone who is trying to fake out the system like Kenny Bianchi one of the Hillside Stranglers, tried to fake having multiple personality disorder hoping to avoid the DP and while he had convinced some doctors, a really hip one, that worked in prisons knew he was faking every bit of it and he got a multiple life sentences and will never see freedom SO me thinks either Bozo or a magazine article is giving her info how to be diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and she is gonna try to run with it and this is just another step closer to DR as jurists are gonna see right through this as this case has captivated the nation and unless you live in the wilds of ID in a mountain cabin with no TV, you have heard about this case!
Now I have one thing to share with you and has me seeing red like you would not believe! As you know I found my bio family 3 years ago and have grown close to my beloved Aunt Elizabeth who just turned 85 Monday. On Wed, she worked at her church rummage sale like she has for years, she is very healthy and active. She came home about 8, having had dinner with a friend, had put her pj's on, getting ready to watch Dog, she is avid fan of the show, and about 930, someone banged on her door, she got up to open it, no one was there, and as she went to close the door, a man burst out of the entry hall as she lives near the main exit, and at gun point ordered her back into the apt, he held that gun on her while he went through all her stuff, taking jewelry, some of which belonged to my great grandmother, $80 in cash, her DVD player, a expensive watch, her crystal collection and believe it or not, a box of chocolates she had bought to bring to a friend in the hospital.
He left telling her if she went to the cops he would come back and kill her and at that moment she recognized him despite the hoodie he had on and she told me he is this real loser, he is black and has been crashing at an apt across from her complex and she did call the cops one night to complain that he was beating on some woman in the parking lot and we guess this was in retaliation for her calling the cops. My cousin is one and he responded to the scene and for the last few days, they are sitting on that area, as he is a career criminal, they know who he is for sure, and they think that once he thinks the coast is clear, he will come back and I hope to Christ he does because this scumbag piece of dog crap terrorized someone I love dearly and I want him to go to prison for the rest of his sorry ass life and I called and spoke to the detective on the case yesterday and he assured me that he will be caught and convicted of strong arm robbery, home invasion and holding someone against their will and this all brings life sentences in NJ.
Meanwhile, she is spending the week at my brother's house and trying to regroup and as tough as she is, she has lived in Passaic all her life, this shook her up to the bone and all I got to say is, they better catch him before my 6 foot 5, 285 lb brother does as this little b*tch is a scrawny little dirtbag and he would kill him with one sweep of his giant hand!!! I called this a.m. and they were all in the pool, they are having a party tonight for one of my cousin's graduation from college and boy, I wish I was there so bad, and it is times like this, that I am so poor, I can't afford plane tickets that it makes me so angry to have this lousy disease, because had I been working, I would be there right now and I love her so much and I remember whern we first met she looked at me and said, "you look like your mama' and then said, well you were gone and now you are back where you belong" and this touched me so much because I had so many fantasies about my real family as that b*tch that adopted me never wanted to tell me anything beyond my mother was crazy, a ***** and sold me like I was a couch, which I know now was not the case, mom was probably bi-polar and did prostitute herself out, but she did love us kids as good as she could and thought by giving me up and my other sister and brother that we would be given good homes.
I can't speak for them because we have been unable to locate them, but I know I had a lousy child hood where it was thrown in my face every day how grateful I should be, because I was a "chosen child" I wish I had found everyone earlier, before I got sick because we could have spent a lot of time together because back then I lived in NE and NJ is five hours away and now I live here and I have to fly and I can't afford the damm ticker and I don't want anyone from the family buying me one either as I have always taken care of myself and it was hard enough to swallow pride and go on SS, food stamps and Medicare and this still bothers me, and today, it is awesome out and I am all achy and my sister is camping, something I always enjoyed and I tried to always live right, be kind to others, work hard and I can't for the life of me begin to understand why this disease was handed out to me as I planned on working clear into my 60's before retiring and it is hard to be in the moment sometimes and here is this B*tch, healthy as a horse, who murders her own child, why can't she be struck with Lupus??
I might be behind the times but have you guys seen the Casey Anthony Karma Doll? If you scroll down near the bottom of the link there is a little video demonstation of the doll. :eek: If this is old news I apologize.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m5d11-Video-The-Casey-Anthony-Karma-Doll
I had seen an article about the doll, but hadn't seen the video.
On the side is a slide show of mothers who kill. I see where Dena Schlosser (sp) is already out of the mental hospital, now, THAT is just all wrong. And, the final pic is that of Casey Anthony. One of the few times I have seen the scenario stated correctly --she was reported missing by her grandmother. Even on the boards, we slip into the "Casey didn't report Caylee missing for 31 days." But we also do say, well, CASEY didn't report Caylee missing @ all!!!.
lorettalockhorn
06-13-2009, 06:43 PM
She is no more mentally ill than I am, this is all a show, she knows there is so much damming evidence against her and I heard on Jane the other night that she is trying to call the shots and wants the trial moved to Miami so get this, when she is found NOT GUILTY she can go and hang out at the beach and I can't help but wonder what crap Bozo is feeding her, like he has her thinking she will hit that beach instead of a death row cell??? She seriously thinks along with her loser parents that she is going to beat this rap and all will be well, she can go back out crotch dancing and partying the night away, living off her parents and not have the "snotface" around her anymore to drag her down. I can't wait to see her face when the verdict comes in and it is not the one she wants, I predict we will finally see a complete meltdown, and it will be all about her and her life, and then the sentencing when the judge looks at her and says may, God have mercy on your soul and she heads to DR to wallow away the years till an execution date looms on the horizon.
MAYBE even Cindy might shut the f*ck up for once, Did I ask you guys if you thought they would attend her execution? I think yes, they will want to say goodbye to her, and then other people think no, so it could go either way. And as for this new behavior, it is all a pile of crap, and she has no idea it makes her look so much worse because until this new ploy, she has not shown much emotion and now to hear she is having "nightmares" and screaming out Caylee's name? And going from Chatty Casey to shut down Susie is someone who is trying to fake out the system like Kenny Bianchi one of the Hillside Stranglers, tried to fake having multiple personality disorder hoping to avoid the DP and while he had convinced some doctors, a really hip one, that worked in prisons knew he was faking every bit of it and he got a multiple life sentences and will never see freedom SO me thinks either Bozo or a magazine article is giving her info how to be diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and she is gonna try to run with it and this is just another step closer to DR as jurists are gonna see right through this as this case has captivated the nation and unless you live in the wilds of ID in a mountain cabin with no TV, you have heard about this case!
Now I have one thing to share with you and has me seeing red like you would not believe! As you know I found my bio family 3 years ago and have grown close to my beloved Aunt Elizabeth who just turned 85 Monday. On Wed, she worked at her church rummage sale like she has for years, she is very healthy and active. She came home about 8, having had dinner with a friend, had put her pj's on, getting ready to watch Dog, she is avid fan of the show, and about 930, someone banged on her door, she got up to open it, no one was there, and as she went to close the door, a man burst out of the entry hall as she lives near the main exit, and at gun point ordered her back into the apt, he held that gun on her while he went through all her stuff, taking jewelry, some of which belonged to my great grandmother, $80 in cash, her DVD player, a expensive watch, her crystal collection and believe it or not, a box of chocolates she had bought to bring to a friend in the hospital.
He left telling her if she went to the cops he would come back and kill her and at that moment she recognized him despite the hoodie he had on and she told me he is this real loser, he is black and has been crashing at an apt across from her complex and she did call the cops one night to complain that he was beating on some woman in the parking lot and we guess this was in retaliation for her calling the cops. My cousin is one and he responded to the scene and for the last few days, they are sitting on that area, as he is a career criminal, they know who he is for sure, and they think that once he thinks the coast is clear, he will come back and I hope to Christ he does because this scumbag piece of dog crap terrorized someone I love dearly and I want him to go to prison for the rest of his sorry ass life and I called and spoke to the detective on the case yesterday and he assured me that he will be caught and convicted of strong arm robbery, home invasion and holding someone against their will and this all brings life sentences in NJ.
Meanwhile, she is spending the week at my brother's house and trying to regroup and as tough as she is, she has lived in Passaic all her life, this shook her up to the bone and all I got to say is, they better catch him before my 6 foot 5, 285 lb brother does as this little b*tch is a scrawny little dirtbag and he would kill him with one sweep of his giant hand!!! I called this a.m. and they were all in the pool, they are having a party tonight for one of my cousin's graduation from college and boy, I wish I was there so bad, and it is times like this, that I am so poor, I can't afford plane tickets that it makes me so angry to have this lousy disease, because had I been working, I would be there right now and I love her so much and I remember whern we first met she looked at me and said, "you look like your mama' and then said, well you were gone and now you are back where you belong" and this touched me so much because I had so many fantasies about my real family as that b*tch that adopted me never wanted to tell me anything beyond my mother was crazy, a ***** and sold me like I was a couch, which I know now was not the case, mom was probably bi-polar and did prostitute herself out, but she did love us kids as good as she could and thought by giving me up and my other sister and brother that we would be given good homes.
I can't speak for them because we have been unable to locate them, but I know I had a lousy child hood where it was thrown in my face every day how grateful I should be, because I was a "chosen child" I wish I had found everyone earlier, before I got sick because we could have spent a lot of time together because back then I lived in NE and NJ is five hours away and now I live here and I have to fly and I can't afford the damm ticker and I don't want anyone from the family buying me one either as I have always taken care of myself and it was hard enough to swallow pride and go on SS, food stamps and Medicare and this still bothers me, and today, it is awesome out and I am all achy and my sister is camping, something I always enjoyed and I tried to always live right, be kind to others, work hard and I can't for the life of me begin to understand why this disease was handed out to me as I planned on working clear into my 60's before retiring and it is hard to be in the moment sometimes and here is this B*tch, healthy as a horse, who murders her own child, why can't she be struck with Lupus??
Wind, what your auntie had to say that first meeting is all you need to remember. Hope you're continuing on the road to health, just do whatever it takes! We'll say a prayer for Elizabeth. Hope they catch that sumb!tch ASAP.
beemer
06-13-2009, 09:59 PM
Hi Wind-Sorry to hear ya have had a bit of a go. So sorry bout your Aunt how frightening. I shall keep you in my prayer's and sending good thoughts your way. I know sometimes life is not how we planned or fair. :rose:
beemer
06-13-2009, 10:54 PM
I wont ask my redundant question again as to where the tox reports are LOL Part of the autopsy report DUH!!!!! I hate KRAFT disease lordy.
Nawny
06-14-2009, 12:34 AM
Thanks Snoop-so sad. Perhaps that explains why his LE interview was hard to follow. Poor guy :rose:
He was only visiting Beemer. It's all okay. He followed Caylee and I'm sure they're both home and having fun in heaven making funny with our loved ones. :rose: At least he got a few shots in with the kooky narcissistic CA . He had some true grit!
Did he say, Casey spent 8 hours a day in front of her mirror, quote Cindy?
Nawny
06-14-2009, 12:36 AM
I've read that too per Dr. G, but I don't think it's a sure sign that Caylee wasn't strangled.
I don't think G&C either one have the patience or tolerance to sit quietly through day after day of proceedings. Conway better make sure that they're medicated and mind their Ps & Qs. (Although it would be comeuppance for either or both of them to be ousted from the courtroom.)
Atsa fa shur!
Nawny
06-14-2009, 12:39 AM
Well, we shouldn't be surprised that Caylee didn't have any little playmates now that we know what control freaks all the Ants are. That's a big part of what abusive types do; they isolate their victim(s).
AAAAAAAHHHHAHA Flove it that My Evil Grandmother's blue chair is part of the CL vernacular. :hat:
I love that blue chair story. It was so real and so perfect. She knew about time outs way before this new age generation thought they invented it.
Nawny
06-14-2009, 07:48 AM
She is no more mentally ill than I am, this is all a show, she knows there is so much damming evidence against her and I heard on Jane the other night that she is trying to call the shots and wants the trial moved to Miami so get this, when she is found NOT GUILTY she can go and hang out at the beach and I can't help but wonder what crap Bozo is feeding her, like he has her thinking she will hit that beach instead of a death row cell??? She seriously thinks along with her loser parents that she is going to beat this rap and all will be well, she can go back out crotch dancing and partying the night away, living off her parents and not have the "snotface" around her anymore to drag her down. I can't wait to see her face when the verdict comes in and it is not the one she wants, I predict we will finally see a complete meltdown, and it will be all about her and her life, and then the sentencing when the judge looks at her and says may, God have mercy on your soul and she heads to DR to wallow away the years till an execution date looms on the horizon.
MAYBE even Cindy might shut the f*ck up for once, Did I ask you guys if you thought they would attend her execution? I think yes, they will want to say goodbye to her, and then other people think no, so it could go either way. And as for this new behavior, it is all a pile of crap, and she has no idea it makes her look so much worse because until this new ploy, she has not shown much emotion and now to hear she is having "nightmares" and screaming out Caylee's name? And going from Chatty Casey to shut down Susie is someone who is trying to fake out the system like Kenny Bianchi one of the Hillside Stranglers, tried to fake having multiple personality disorder hoping to avoid the DP and while he had convinced some doctors, a really hip one, that worked in prisons knew he was faking every bit of it and he got a multiple life sentences and will never see freedom SO me thinks either Bozo or a magazine article is giving her info how to be diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and she is gonna try to run with it and this is just another step closer to DR as jurists are gonna see right through this as this case has captivated the nation and unless you live in the wilds of ID in a mountain cabin with no TV, you have heard about this case!
Now I have one thing to share with you and has me seeing red like you would not believe! As you know I found my bio family 3 years ago and have grown close to my beloved Aunt Elizabeth who just turned 85 Monday. On Wed, she worked at her church rummage sale like she has for years, she is very healthy and active. She came home about 8, having had dinner with a friend, had put her pj's on, getting ready to watch Dog, she is avid fan of the show, and about 930, someone banged on her door, she got up to open it, no one was there, and as she went to close the door, a man burst out of the entry hall as she lives near the main exit, and at gun point ordered her back into the apt, he held that gun on her while he went through all her stuff, taking jewelry, some of which belonged to my great grandmother, $80 in cash, her DVD player, a expensive watch, her crystal collection and believe it or not, a box of chocolates she had bought to bring to a friend in the hospital.
He left telling her if she went to the cops he would come back and kill her and at that moment she recognized him despite the hoodie he had on and she told me he is this real loser, he is black and has been crashing at an apt across from her complex and she did call the cops one night to complain that he was beating on some woman in the parking lot and we guess this was in retaliation for her calling the cops. My cousin is one and he responded to the scene and for the last few days, they are sitting on that area, as he is a career criminal, they know who he is for sure, and they think that once he thinks the coast is clear, he will come back and I hope to Christ he does because this scumbag piece of dog crap terrorized someone I love dearly and I want him to go to prison for the rest of his sorry ass life and I called and spoke to the detective on the case yesterday and he assured me that he will be caught and convicted of strong arm robbery, home invasion and holding someone against their will and this all brings life sentences in NJ.
Meanwhile, she is spending the week at my brother's house and trying to regroup and as tough as she is, she has lived in Passaic all her life, this shook her up to the bone and all I got to say is, they better catch him before my 6 foot 5, 285 lb brother does as this little b*tch is a scrawny little dirtbag and he would kill him with one sweep of his giant hand!!! I called this a.m. and they were all in the pool, they are having a party tonight for one of my cousin's graduation from college and boy, I wish I was there so bad, and it is times like this, that I am so poor, I can't afford plane tickets that it makes me so angry to have this lousy disease, because had I been working, I would be there right now and I love her so much and I remember whern we first met she looked at me and said, "you look like your mama' and then said, well you were gone and now you are back where you belong" and this touched me so much because I had so many fantasies about my real family as that b*tch that adopted me never wanted to tell me anything beyond my mother was crazy, a ***** and sold me like I was a couch, which I know now was not the case, mom was probably bi-polar and did prostitute herself out, but she did love us kids as good as she could and thought by giving me up and my other sister and brother that we would be given good homes.
I can't speak for them because we have been unable to locate them, but I know I had a lousy child hood where it was thrown in my face every day how grateful I should be, because I was a "chosen child" I wish I had found everyone earlier, before I got sick because we could have spent a lot of time together because back then I lived in NE and NJ is five hours away and now I live here and I have to fly and I can't afford the damm ticker and I don't want anyone from the family buying me one either as I have always taken care of myself and it was hard enough to swallow pride and go on SS, food stamps and Medicare and this still bothers me, and today, it is awesome out and I am all achy and my sister is camping, something I always enjoyed and I tried to always live right, be kind to others, work hard and I can't for the life of me begin to understand why this disease was handed out to me as I planned on working clear into my 60's before retiring and it is hard to be in the moment sometimes and here is this B*tch, healthy as a horse, who murders her own child, why can't she be struck with Lupus??
Your story is sad Wind, and yet it proves again that great people are people who have suffered greatly. Your posts are always worth a good read and do inspire. We here all seem to be part of the change we want to see in the world. Everything is in divine order baby... its all good. Keep up the good fight for the children. It (for sure) is your calling! :rose:
Good wishes to your aunti.:rose: She made it through!
:eek: Going a little too far IMO - bizarre!
I have to agree it's weird but it's kind of like watching a train wreck...you can't help but look at it! :o :)
Okay, okay. I'll admit it. I got a little chuckle out of scenario #3. But I wanted her to go out of the frying pan and into the fire. I thought the sizzling was a nice touch. :tongue:
beemer
06-14-2009, 10:09 AM
He was only visiting Beemer. It's all okay. He followed Caylee and I'm sure they're both home and having fun in heaven making funny with our loved ones. :rose: At least he got a few shots in with the kooky narcissistic CA . He had some true grit!
Did he say, Casey spent 8 hours a day in front of her mirror, quote Cindy?
I think he did say that Nawny-I can believe it with all the hair and clothing straightening we have witnessed.
BeastofBears
06-14-2009, 04:10 PM
He was only visiting Beemer. It's all okay. He followed Caylee and I'm sure they're both home and having fun in heaven making funny with our loved ones. :rose: At least he got a few shots in with the kooky narcissistic CA . He had some true grit!
Did he say, Casey spent 8 hours a day in front of her mirror, quote Cindy?
Even more shocking, he thought 2 hours was NORMAL! :eek:
beemer
06-14-2009, 04:28 PM
I thought the sizzling was a nice touch. :tongue:
I gotta admit i had some shats and giggles over it too :punch:
lorettalockhorn
06-14-2009, 07:26 PM
I thought the sizzling was a nice touch. :tongue:
Yeah, it was great when Casey was pressed with the spatula and the skillet smoked.
Shame on me.
lorettalockhorn
06-14-2009, 07:29 PM
Interesting comments at Blogger News Network about the Showdown at the Makeshift Memorial Site (what I like to think of as iconoclasm at Cindy's worst):
http://www.bloggernews.net/121182
beemer
06-14-2009, 07:38 PM
Yeah, it was great when Casey was pressed with the spatula and the skillet smoked.
Shame on me.
No i had a good chuckle too :punch: I like how they sprayed it with pam so she would not stick :punch:
lorettalockhorn
06-14-2009, 07:39 PM
No i had a good chuckle too :punch: I like how they sprayed it with pam so she would not stick :punch:
LMAO Not so necessary now that she has put the lard on. :tongue:
BeastofBears
06-14-2009, 08:17 PM
Interesting comments at Blogger News Network about the Showdown at the Makeshift Memorial Site (what I like to think of as iconoclasm at Cindy's worst):
http://www.bloggernews.net/121182
Hmmmmn, that photo of George in his car...he's on the correct side of the road. The picture-takers were on the wrong side of the road.
This implies to me that George was being pursued, not vice versa.
I can't believe I just defended them, but it seems logical, unless it was a two lane road.
beemer
06-14-2009, 09:01 PM
LMAO Not so necessary now that she has put the lard on. :tongue:
Haaaaaa :beer:
beemer
06-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Hmmmmn, that photo of George in his car...he's on the correct side of the road. The picture-takers were on the wrong side of the road.
This implies to me that George was being pursued, not vice versa.
I can't believe I just defended them, but it seems logical, unless it was a two lane road.
Considering all parties involved with the exception of Dakota it is plausible. Their all friggin nuts :eek:
Native Alien
06-14-2009, 10:24 PM
If this is a repost then I apologize but there is going to be a vigil in Blanchard Park.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d11-Facebook-group-to-hold-vigil-for-Caylee-Anthony
beemer
06-14-2009, 10:26 PM
No worries NA thanks for the reminder-Gator is going to go and represent. :rose:
lorettalockhorn
06-14-2009, 10:45 PM
Hmmmmn, that photo of George in his car...he's on the correct side of the road. The picture-takers were on the wrong side of the road.
This implies to me that George was being pursued, not vice versa.
I can't believe I just defended them, but it seems logical, unless it was a two lane road.
It's hard to tell what/when/where that pic represents, but supposedly it was taken before the chase and may be what instigated it. What I can't figure is why they didn't get a snappy of Cindy and the cross. Or mabe they did and they're holding out for the highest bid.
Whack. All of 'em.
lorettalockhorn
06-14-2009, 10:46 PM
If this is a repost then I apologize but there is going to be a vigil in Blanchard Park.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m6d11-Facebook-group-to-hold-vigil-for-Caylee-Anthony
Thanks for the reminder! :seeya:
deacon
06-14-2009, 10:50 PM
It's hard to tell what/when/where that pic represents, but supposedly it was taken before the chase and may be what instigated it. What I can't figure is why they didn't get a snappy of Cindy and the cross. Or mabe they did and they're holding out for the highest bid.
Whack. All of 'em.
IMO that is one of the problems. Too many wackos. Need to let the law take care of this one now.
BeastofBears
06-14-2009, 11:03 PM
IMO that is one of the problems. Too many wackos. Need to let the law take care of this one now.
iirc, they gave up and decided to ignore it? I can't blame them. Sounds like they all cancelled each other out on crazy.
lorettalockhorn
06-14-2009, 11:07 PM
iirc, they gave up and decided to ignore it? I can't blame them. Sounds like they all cancelled each other out on crazy.
I realize this never made it to court, but our district used to have a very wise chancery judge, who when faced with a clusterf like this one, would hold everyone in contempt. Find it kinda hard to believe that LE didn't consider charging all of them to see if it didn't put the kibosh on some of the outre behavior. (Or maybe they did at least consider it.) It may have come down to the fact that nothing was actually witnessed.
deacon
06-15-2009, 05:18 AM
iirc, they gave up and decided to ignore it? I can't blame them. Sounds like they all cancelled each other out on crazy.
Oh, I mean in the total way. Let the pot settle, the law will handle it now. If not, I am afraid someone else is going to get hurt that doesn't need to.
beemer
06-15-2009, 09:34 AM
I was just pondering the book due out in Nov. on Liar. Wonder how it ends :shrug: I dont like the title-Mommy's Little Girl :flamemad:
I was just pondering the book due out in Nov. on Liar. Wonder how it ends :shrug: I dont like the title-Mommy's Little Girl :flamemad:
I don't like the idea of the book being written until the trial is over with and she's sentenced and I think there could have been a better title. I'm sure this wonn't be the only book written about the case but maybe the first.
Gatordog
06-15-2009, 10:04 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-anniversary-061509,0,6260536.story
Yeah, it was great when Casey was pressed with the spatula and the skillet smoked.
Shame on me.
LOL, Beemer and Loretta. At least we're talking about a doll and not a precious little girl! Okay, shame on me too. :)
Gatordog
06-15-2009, 10:24 AM
Wind,
I am so sorry to hear of your aunt's experience. I am thinkful that she wasn't harmed or killed during that experience. Luckily, she has your brother to help her through this. Listen, if your family wants to help you with airfare, take it. It's not charity or a helping hand. They probably want to see you. It would do your aunt good. Sometimes, a hand out is really just a hand up. I am sure if you were in a better position, you would do it for them. It would make them feel good if they were able to make you feel good for a while.
Gator
Gatordog
06-15-2009, 10:25 AM
I was just pondering the book due out in Nov. on Liar. Wonder how it ends :shrug: I dont like the title-Mommy's Little Girl :flamemad:
Perhaps Mommy's little girl doesn't refer to Caylee, maybe it's Casey. She was Mommy's little girl also and turned into Mommy's Sociopath.
beemer
06-15-2009, 10:54 AM
Perhaps Mommy's little girl doesn't refer to Caylee, maybe it's Casey. She was Mommy's little girl also and turned into Mommy's Sociopath.
So true Gator :beer:
deacon
06-15-2009, 10:58 AM
Perhaps Mommy's little girl doesn't refer to Caylee, maybe it's Casey. She was Mommy's little girl also and turned into Mommy's Sociopath.
Created by mommy or at least enabled by mommy.:cuss:
BeastofBears
06-15-2009, 11:02 AM
Oh, I mean in the total way. Let the pot settle, the law will handle it now. If not, I am afraid someone else is going to get hurt that doesn't need to.
Seems to me if they weren't all having fun, there would be restraining orders out. But I don't think there are? The last I heard, Lois tried and failed to get one against Cindy Anthony...I wonder why the Anthonies don't get one on her if they think she's chasing them around and trying to run over George?
imo.
BeastofBears
06-15-2009, 11:03 AM
Created by mommy or at least enabled by mommy.:cuss:
Maybe they should have titled it Mommy's Little Mirror.
imo.
deacon
06-15-2009, 11:34 AM
Seems to me if they weren't all having fun, there would be restraining orders out. But I don't think there are? The last I heard, Lois tried and failed to get one against Cindy Anthony...I wonder why the Anthonies don't get one on her if they think she's chasing them around and trying to run over George?
imo.
Because that would be the smart thing to do. On top of with this type of person, a restraining order doesn't mean much. Then they have to go through several warnings before anything really gets done.:shrug:
lorettalockhorn
06-15-2009, 12:08 PM
I don't like the idea of the book being written until the trial is over with and she's sentenced and I think there could have been a better title. I'm sure this wonn't be the only book written about the case but maybe the first.
Don't mind the book being written, but don't like the title. Too nebulous, and if it refers to Caylee being mothered by any member of the Anthony family it's inflammatory. :cuss:
lorettalockhorn
06-15-2009, 12:18 PM
Because that would be the smart thing to do. On top of with this type of person, a restraining order doesn't mean much. Then they have to go through several warnings before anything really gets done.:shrug:
Well, like the author at BNN, I won't to know about Milstead's flashing lights; he already has a conviction for impersonating a police officer. Can't these shenanigans be considered pretty much the same? LE or the courts need to put that scumbag out of business and it looks like a restraining order or some sort of cease and desist order would be a start.
lorettalockhorn
06-15-2009, 12:35 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-anniversary-061509,0,6260536.story
The scenes of Caylee with great-grandfather are almost agonizingly poignant knowing what lies in store. Condolences to Mr. Plesea, it must be particularly heartbreaking for him. RIP Caylee.
beemer
06-15-2009, 01:05 PM
The scenes of Caylee with great-grandfather are almost agonizingly poignant knowing what lies in store. Condolences to Mr. Plesea, it must be particularly heartbreaking for him. RIP Caylee.
I know i was worried it might take them both down. I wonder what the status is of C's relationship with them? Hard to believe a year. :rose:
One2Snoop
06-15-2009, 02:22 PM
Maybe they should have titled it Mommy's Little Mirror.
imo.
Even better!
Interesting comments at Blogger News Network about the Showdown at the Makeshift Memorial Site (what I like to think of as iconoclasm at Cindy's worst):
http://www.bloggernews.net/121182
The blogger mentions that there is no mention of the Milsteads. I find it also interesting that even this blogger, and the media have not reported on the "relationship" of sorts between Lois Peters and the A's. You know, the woman whose granddaughter set up a vigil for Caylee, met the A's, there was a "warm" relationship, IIRC, the A's attended that vigil. Ms. Peters' granddaughter had an email penpal thing w/Casey Anthony.
Then, the grandmother is on national tv claiming that email communication (that she did not stop by blocking, once she saw that the A's--can't remember if it was Cindy and/or Casey) were going to continue to contact the granddaughter, and the emotional trauma caused the granddaughter to be hospitalized. And that there was a confrontation between George and Lois over a poster that George tore off a car that Lois was in.
IMO, I gotta wonder who was baiting whom? So, were the A's in the vicinity to remove the cross because someone (who might like the limelight a bit herself) tipped them off that there were more crosses? Or, do the A's and the M's have a habit of cruising the neighborhood in separate vehicles on a routine basis, and just "happen" to see the new crosses and decide to take them down?
Of course, George and his attorney seem to make the claim that George has never been @ the memorial site. Well, I guess, in lawyer/legalese double speak technicality---perhaps he has never been AT the memorial site--leaving that up to Cindy to go in and remove articles, and he is only NEAR the site, waiting in his vehicle for Cindy to return?
Anyway, I find it rather peculiar that no one has reported on the past relationship of the A's and Lois, in addition to the fact that the M's were left out of the report altogether.
I was just pondering the book due out in Nov. on Liar. Wonder how it ends :shrug: I dont like the title-Mommy's Little Girl :flamemad:
I guess I missed this--who is the author of this book?
I also don't think a book that comes before a trial with testimony and evidence and such would be a very good read. Of course, there could be actual documents, the interviews w/LE and FBI of various people, but what else would there be? Those types of things would be about CASEY and her dilemma, not about little Caylee. Pics of Caylee with various members of the A family? Surely a book entitled Mommy's Little Girl (I am assuming this is Caylee/Casey and not Casey/Cindy) would not included a great number of the pics of Casey when she is out "working" or partying. So, what would be in the book? I want one with details about the murder, the testimony, what happened and why. Don't think a book before the trial is even set for absolute sure would have info I'm interested in. Especially, depending on who would be penning this book. Ann Rule? Yeah, I'd read that!!! lol (I know, Ann Rule writes books on cases that didn't make it into the big time.)
One2Snoop
06-15-2009, 07:28 PM
Some funny pictures of Casey. Be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom to see all the pics....
http://basementdwellers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=websleuths&action=display&thread=403
deacon
06-15-2009, 07:33 PM
Some funny pictures of Casey. Be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom to see all the pics....
http://basementdwellers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=websleuths&action=display&thread=403
Made my day, thanks
One2Snoop
06-15-2009, 07:48 PM
I guess I missed this--who is the author of this book?
I also don't think a book that comes before a trial with testimony and evidence and such would be a very good read. Of course, there could be actual documents, the interviews w/LE and FBI of various people, but what else would there be? Those types of things would be about CASEY and her dilemma, not about little Caylee. Pics of Caylee with various members of the A family? Surely a book entitled Mommy's Little Girl (I am assuming this is Caylee/Casey and not Casey/Cindy) would not included a great number of the pics of Casey when she is out "working" or partying. So, what would be in the book? I want one with details about the murder, the testimony, what happened and why. Don't think a book before the trial is even set for absolute sure would have info I'm interested in. Especially, depending on who would be penning this book. Ann Rule? Yeah, I'd read that!!! lol (I know, Ann Rule writes books on cases that didn't make it into the big time.)
Bump for Amy....
Book About Casey Anthony Case To Be Released
Posted: 12:18 pm EDT June 12, 2009Updated: 4:59 pm EDT June 12, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The first book about the Casey Anthony case is available for preorder months before its release. Eyewitness News found a book online called "Mommy's Little Girl" (see Amazon listing)
The book was written by Diane Fanning, a true crime author with no connection to the case. It is scheduled to be released in early November.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19735957/detail.html
Bump for Amy....
Thanks. Well, if it's by Diane Fanning, it might be something interesting to read. I still think tho, just like Catherine Crier in the Peterson case, the book would be a much more interesting read if it was written after the trial.
lorettalockhorn
06-15-2009, 07:55 PM
Some funny pictures of Casey. Be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom to see all the pics....
http://basementdwellers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=websleuths&action=display&thread=403
OMG! Don't eat the pizza!
SuzDuJour
06-15-2009, 08:54 PM
Hi Everyone!
I read all the posts daily, but rarely comment - seems like someone always posts my exact thoughts before I can get finished reading! Which means you're a special group of terribly smart people!!
So I've been thinking a lot about Dr. G's report - the only thing I can think of that she could comment on with any real accuracy concerning the cause of death would be the duct tape. I'm thinking she found enough tape across that little babie's face to cover BOTH the nose and mouth and therefore thinks suffocation might be a great possibility. She could come to this conclusion without bone marks or crushed bones, etc... I hate to think it, but that's what comes to mind. It also would explain Casey's nightmares IMO.
wind149
06-15-2009, 09:19 PM
Thanks to all of you guys, I knew if I posted about how blue I was and angry, that you would make me feel better and I have awesome news! They caught that dirtbag that robbed my aunt, and sure enough, true to form, he showed back up at the complex last night about 8 and a cop took him down and my aunt got to see him go down and she went over and told him off but good called him a few choice names and believe me, she knows them all and put her foot right on his back, she said she wanted to kick him, but she did not want to be charged later that she as a white woman, assaulted a black man, you get why, I am sure because if she had kicked his ass, you know he would whine to his public defender that he was "racially profiled" He is being held without bail, he is charged with strong armed robbery, home invasion, assault, and he violated a restraining order and he is looking at about 60 years and I hope he gets his ass beat every day because the jail he is being held at is a hell hole where 5-10 people share a cell and hopefully some white dude will hear what he is charged with and stick something his face, like a fist, a mop handle???
The cops have recovered some of the jewelry, he gave some to his mama and the loser woman did not question as to why he gives her rings that have my aunt and uncle's names inscribed on them? And he tried to pawn some of it, but the pawn shop knew him and would not take the items, so maybe this POS will give up the rest of the stuff and I wish my brother had been there to see him go down, but he had gone out to get Chinese Food and by the time he got back, that scum was already heading to the jail. I plan on writing a letter to the prosecutor and the judge about him, I want him gone from society.
Can you all dig it has been a year since Caylee went missing? And all that we know about this loser family? How dysfunctional they are, how the truth escapes them and how Queenie rules the roost?? I am betting that from the day she married Lap Dog Georgie, she came first, even before her children and I am betting at an early age, Casey started harboring resentment towards her mother and I can understand that rage, I felt it at a young age towards that woman who adopted me. Now I also understand how pissed off and hurt she was when Cindy took it upon herself to be the first to hold Caylee, I can see her doing it, and that took some joy out of her moment, however, I feel that she did not want to have the child and Cindy made her keep her because SHE wanted to have another child, it had been all about Cindy till the night Casey murders Caylee, I do not have a shingle that dictates I have a doctorate, but I think something happened that day that this family is not giving up, possibly the fight that Cindy denies ever happened and while I do not feel she was insane, or she snapped, she was harboring deep anger towards Cindy and she was also jealous of the attention her mother was giving Caylee and not her, but yet, she also was jealous of the relationship they had and I think the motive is pure spite and I believe she really hates Cindy and by taking Caylee from her, she dealt the ultimate punishment her way.
I think she planned it, if those Google searches are to be believed, however, Bozo and the "Dream Team" will try to either get that tossed at trial or tell the jury that no one knows for sure that it was Casey. I told you guys about my friend whose mother took it upon herself to put a different name on the birth certificate because she did not like the name we all had picked out which was Rhiannon and we were pissed off because she had no right to do that and she too, meddled, Sue was a good mother, and we all loved this child, we took her everywhere, she was full off life and Lord, she is now 30 and has kids of her own. One reason I never had kids is because of the b*tch and I think that Casey should have stood up to Queenie and had an abortion, but I get that no one crosses the QUEEN! And she is so stupid she has no idea that she messed up her own daughter's head and has done her no favors by her actions and words, she acted like such an asshole during those depos, I can't wait to see her at the trial, the questions will not be APPROVED by her first like they were on LK and other shows she has been on, the DA and surely the jury will not be impressed one bit if she throws a hissy because she does not like the question and the DA is going to fire away and I predict that she will throw a hissy, she can't help herself, she is so used to being the Queen and everything her own way. And because of her own bad self, her daughter is going to be executed about 12 years from now and she will still not see why her child ended up murdering her own child and she will never blame herself, it will be everyone else's fault.
Nawny
06-15-2009, 09:21 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-anniversary-061509,0,6260536.story
Jeesuzzz did you read those comments? We're angels here.
It did occur to me, and a bit late, that when liar took the cops to Sawgrass, she thought someone, of not Zenaida lived in that apartment! Can you imagine the hell on earth Zanieda would have gone through if she had really rented that apartment? She would have been arrested! Talk about throwing an innocent stranger under the bus! WOW!
I never gave that much thought before.
deacon
06-15-2009, 09:28 PM
Jeesuzzz did you read those comments? We're angels here.
It did occur to me, and a bit late, that when liar took the cops to Sawgrass, she thought someone, of not Zenaida lived in that apartment! Can you imagine the hell on earth Zanieda would have gone through if she had really rented that apartment? She would have been arrested! Talk about throwing an innocent stranger under the bus! WOW!
I never gave that much thought before.
I did. That to me is why if I was on the jury, if there is one, I would hang her rear. She did enough damage but it could have been worse, much worse.
Nawny
06-15-2009, 09:28 PM
I read some of the happenings on this anniversary of Caylee's disappearance. So sad.. that little darling is the icon and sort of a spokesperson for all the kids who went missing. It seems that way.I mean every one seems to love this little girl and I expect Cindy hates that there will be a memorial held without them tomorrow.
It would be redeeming if they showed up and paid some respects to the Caylee... but that's like asking for an ocean to appear in the Sahara. If they had any class, any heart, any compassion for Caylee, they'd show up quietly, lower their heads, shut their mouths, pray with the crowd, thank them for caring about Caylee, and leave quietly. But they are not going to dooooo that. :mad:
BeastofBears
06-15-2009, 09:46 PM
Jeesuzzz did you read those comments? We're angels here.
It did occur to me, and a bit late, that when liar took the cops to Sawgrass, she thought someone, of not Zenaida lived in that apartment! Can you imagine the hell on earth Zanieda would have gone through if she had really rented that apartment? She would have been arrested! Talk about throwing an innocent stranger under the bus! WOW!
I never gave that much thought before.
Wow, it never occurred to me that she did NOT know Zenaida didn't rent that apartment! How much more differently this would have unfolded if they had found Zanny where she said she was...?
BeastofBears
06-15-2009, 09:52 PM
Hi Wind-
I am SO glad your aunt got a chance to chew that guy out! I bet having her moment was very psychologically beneficial, and to see him cuffed, too...good! And getting some things back, too. Being robbed is such an invasion...
BeastofBears
06-15-2009, 09:53 PM
Hi Everyone!
I read all the posts daily, but rarely comment - seems like someone always posts my exact thoughts before I can get finished reading! Which means you're a special group of terribly smart people!!
So I've been thinking a lot about Dr. G's report - the only thing I can think of that she could comment on with any real accuracy concerning the cause of death would be the duct tape. I'm thinking she found enough tape across that little babie's face to cover BOTH the nose and mouth and therefore thinks suffocation might be a great possibility. She could come to this conclusion without bone marks or crushed bones, etc... I hate to think it, but that's what comes to mind. It also would explain Casey's nightmares IMO.
That's a good point. And nothing would show in tox, either, but looking at the tape, she could get an opinion...
Native Alien
06-16-2009, 07:07 AM
Anthony's on the Early Show this morning discussing new evidence released by prosecutors and year anniversary. That would be CBS
Anthony's on the Early Show this morning discussing new evidence released by prosecutors and year anniversary. That would be CBS
Thanks. I'm up, channel surfing, am usually either @ work or not up @ this time of day. Will see if I can stomach something like this so early in the am. Oh, I see that I have about an hour to prepare myself for the adventure!!! :eek:
deacon
06-16-2009, 07:16 AM
That's a good point. And nothing would show in tox, either, but looking at the tape, she could get an opinion...
One of the THs last night brought up a point that I talked about some time back. If the tape coverd the mouth and nose area they pretty much know how she died. I am betting on that.:flamemad:
Native Alien
06-16-2009, 08:40 AM
Video Link to this morning's interview.
This one bares watching because I believe that George lied again in it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0
OMG!!!! Butter wouldn't melt in CA's mouth this am. All the people who helped look, etc. I guess, anyone who is seeing the A's, hearing about Caylee Anthony for the first time would believe these people welcomed any and all help offered to find their grandbaby. Maybe they are hoping people will forget all their antagonism toward people like TES (by the way, whom CA drove off, didn't want around) and others who were out looking for Caylee Anthony.
"When your child is missing, you take all the help you can, you don't turn anyone away." Cindy's response to Ronald Cummings telling the A's he didn't want their help, they had their own agenda. George says, that's okay, he understands.
According to CA, SHE is the one who got national attention for Haleigh Cummings. It was HER phone call (the day of Caylee's memorial when she should have been home worring about herself) that got Haleigh's story national attention. She made frantic phone calls to get this story out there. Ok, Cindy, sure.
George NOW says, on the last day he saw Caylee, emphasizing June 16, he got up w/her as usual @ 7:30, got breakfast, etc etc etc. Hmmmm.......I seem to remember about 11 months ago, he was saying the first time he saw Caylee and Casey that day was as they were leaving. Ok, George. I guess with time, your memory has sharpened.
Actually, a pretty short interview, with no fireworks. Of course, no hard questions. I would assume the A's or @ least Cindy gave the anchor/reporter/whomever the "script" for the interview. They did get in a plug about being available for parents and family of children who are missing. CA made sure to say that, for her and George, Caylee was MISSING for 5 months.
Video Link to this morning's interview.
This one bares watching because I believe that George lied again in it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0
My goodness, how did you do that? As I'm watching and typing, you have a link already!!!! Having a link to watch beats my reporting, lol. Really, it wasn't a hard watch @ all. I didn't even yell @ George when he lied (IMO) or even CA for her wanting the world to think that Haleigh is national news only because of her efforts. (Wonder if she invented the internet, too? :biggrin:)
deacon
06-16-2009, 09:31 AM
OMG!!!! Butter wouldn't melt in CA's mouth this am. All the people who helped look, etc. I guess, anyone who is seeing the A's, hearing about Caylee Anthony for the first time would believe these people welcomed any and all help offered to find their grandbaby. Maybe they are hoping people will forget all their antagonism toward people like TES (by the way, whom CA drove off, didn't want around) and others who were out looking for Caylee Anthony.
"When your child is missing, you take all the help you can, you don't turn anyone away." Cindy's response to Ronald Cummings telling the A's he didn't want their help, they had their own agenda. George says, that's okay, he understands.
According to CA, SHE is the one who got national attention for Haleigh Cummings. It was HER phone call (the day of Caylee's memorial when she should have been home worring about herself) that got Haleigh's story national attention. She made frantic phone calls to get this story out there. Ok, Cindy, sure.
George NOW says, on the last day he saw Caylee, emphasizing June 16, he got up w/her as usual @ 7:30, got breakfast, etc etc etc. Hmmmm.......I seem to remember about 11 months ago, he was saying the first time he saw Caylee and Casey that day was as they were leaving. Ok, George. I guess with time, your memory has sharpened.
Actually, a pretty short interview, with no fireworks. Of course, no hard questions. I would assume the A's or @ least Cindy gave the anchor/reporter/whomever the "script" for the interview. They did get in a plug about being available for parents and family of children who are missing. CA made sure to say that, for her and George, Caylee was MISSING for 5 months.
My, they have acheived their PHD. Piled Higher and Deeper.:biggrin:
Native Alien
06-16-2009, 10:24 AM
My goodness, how did you do that? As I'm watching and typing, you have a link already!!!! Having a link to watch beats my reporting, lol. Really, it wasn't a hard watch @ all. I didn't even yell @ George when he lied (IMO) or even CA for her wanting the world to think that Haleigh is national news only because of her efforts. (Wonder if she invented the internet, too? :biggrin:)
She can't take credit for inventing the internet, Al Gore already did that one....lol
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 10:25 AM
OMG!!!! Butter wouldn't melt in CA's mouth this am. All the people who helped look, etc. I guess, anyone who is seeing the A's, hearing about Caylee Anthony for the first time would believe these people welcomed any and all help offered to find their grandbaby. Maybe they are hoping people will forget all their antagonism toward people like TES (by the way, whom CA drove off, didn't want around) and others who were out looking for Caylee Anthony.
"When your child is missing, you take all the help you can, you don't turn anyone away." Cindy's response to Ronald Cummings telling the A's he didn't want their help, they had their own agenda. George says, that's okay, he understands.
According to CA, SHE is the one who got national attention for Haleigh Cummings. It was HER phone call (the day of Caylee's memorial when she should have been home worring about herself) that got Haleigh's story national attention. She made frantic phone calls to get this story out there. Ok, Cindy, sure.
George NOW says, on the last day he saw Caylee, emphasizing June 16, he got up w/her as usual @ 7:30, got breakfast, etc etc etc. Hmmmm.......I seem to remember about 11 months ago, he was saying the first time he saw Caylee and Casey that day was as they were leaving. Ok, George. I guess with time, your memory has sharpened.
Actually, a pretty short interview, with no fireworks. Of course, no hard questions. I would assume the A's or @ least Cindy gave the anchor/reporter/whomever the "script" for the interview. They did get in a plug about being available for parents and family of children who are missing. CA made sure to say that, for her and George, Caylee was MISSING for 5 months.
Thank you for the synopsis, Amy! This saves me from having to watch it.
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 12:22 PM
Video Link to this morning's interview.
This one bares watching because I believe that George lied again in it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5091216n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0
What the???? Since when did George fix Caylee's breakfast?
UGH Lying POS. And Cindy is responsible for getting Haleigh national exposure? Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.
Gatordog
06-16-2009, 12:24 PM
What the???? Since when did George fix Caylee's breakfast?
UGH Lying POS. And Cindy is responsible for getting Haleigh national exposure? Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.
And he put her in the car? I thought he was sitting on the couch watching his cooking show when they walked out the door?
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 12:28 PM
OMG!!!! Butter wouldn't melt in CA's mouth this am. All the people who helped look, etc. I guess, anyone who is seeing the A's, hearing about Caylee Anthony for the first time would believe these people welcomed any and all help offered to find their grandbaby. Maybe they are hoping people will forget all their antagonism toward people like TES (by the way, whom CA drove off, didn't want around) and others who were out looking for Caylee Anthony.
"When your child is missing, you take all the help you can, you don't turn anyone away." Cindy's response to Ronald Cummings telling the A's he didn't want their help, they had their own agenda. George says, that's okay, he understands.
According to CA, SHE is the one who got national attention for Haleigh Cummings. It was HER phone call (the day of Caylee's memorial when she should have been home worring about herself) that got Haleigh's story national attention. She made frantic phone calls to get this story out there. Ok, Cindy, sure.
George NOW says, on the last day he saw Caylee, emphasizing June 16, he got up w/her as usual @ 7:30, got breakfast, etc etc etc. Hmmmm.......I seem to remember about 11 months ago, he was saying the first time he saw Caylee and Casey that day was as they were leaving. Ok, George. I guess with time, your memory has sharpened.
Actually, a pretty short interview, with no fireworks. Of course, no hard questions. I would assume the A's or @ least Cindy gave the anchor/reporter/whomever the "script" for the interview. They did get in a plug about being available for parents and family of children who are missing. CA made sure to say that, for her and George, Caylee was MISSING for 5 months.
Great synopsis Amy! Nope, the Qs weren't tough, but I loved it that CBS showed G&C in less than favorable light with the videos. And loved it that George possibly lied about eating breakfast with Caylee and that Cindy put the spotlight on herself re: Haleigh Cummings disappearance. AND mentioned that yesterday was tough. I bet it was. The 15th was the day that Cindy became the straw that broke the camel's back for Casey.
This anniversary would have been the perfect time for G&C to straighten up and fly right, tell the truth, start over by showing support for The State and asking for justice for Caylee. But noooooooo. Leopards don't change their spots.
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 12:29 PM
And he put her in the car? I thought he was sitting on the couch watching his cooking show when they walked out the door?
Yeah. That hour long news/cooking show in Food Network. Ahem.
How many times have we heard that he watched them go out the door?
deacon
06-16-2009, 12:34 PM
That is what tell a lie will do for you. Once you have told a lie one must rememer which lie they told to which person. Then add not telling the truth to the public and another problem comes up. Everything they said is a matter of public record. I can hear the question now... This time you told us this and that time you told us that, now, which time were you not telling the truth? Nothing good can come from that question. You see, either way they have proven they will lie.
Liar, liar, pants on fire! ( sorry, I just couldn't help myself):no:
JLette
06-16-2009, 12:36 PM
And he put her in the car? I thought he was sitting on the couch watching his cooking show when they walked out the door?
they really need to consider NOT TALKING ANYMORE before the trial. every time they open their mouths they tell another lie, maybe they are doing this on purpose, maybe they WANT to hang their daughter and themselves, lol, they can't really be ignorant enough to think they are doing any good.................................can they? :shrug:
RIP CAYLEE :rose::rose::rose:
deacon
06-16-2009, 12:40 PM
they really need to consider NOT TALKING ANYMORE before the trial. every time they open their mouths they tell another lie, maybe they are doing this on purpose, maybe they WANT to hang their daughter and themselves, lol, they can't really be ignorant enough to think they are doing any good.................................can they? :shrug:
RIP CAYLEE :rose::rose::rose:
Wanna bet? I have a powered sugar doughnut that says they are just that ignorant.
JLette
06-16-2009, 12:47 PM
Wanna bet? I have a powered sugar doughnut that says they are just that ignorant.
until this case came out i had a lot more faith in human intelligence, some of this crap is just ridiculous, they should change their names and move to another country and just start over, all they are doing is screwing crap up worse than their daughter ever could have hoped to do on her own
One2Snoop
06-16-2009, 12:59 PM
What the???? Since when did George fix Caylee's breakfast?
UGH Lying POS. And Cindy is responsible for getting Haleigh national exposure? Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.
Why did I waste my time and watch that utter BS. :punch: Ugggghhhhhhh!
One2Snoop
06-16-2009, 01:03 PM
Debate Continues Over Anthony Jail Video
Prosecutors File Response Saying Baez Wasting Time Over Video
POSTED: 4:03 pm EDT June 15, 2009
UPDATED: 5:13 pm EDT June 15, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors in the case against Casey Anthony argued Monday that her attorney, Jose Baez, is building what amounts to a propaganda campaign accusing the state of prosecutorial conduct without any evidence to prove it.
Tony Lazarro, Anthony’s former boyfriend, was the latest key state witness to come forward and file court papers Monday asking to be shielded from a subpoena. Baez is seeking to find out who Lazarro talked to and when.
Lazarro has cooperated with investigators and provided phone records to detectives. But, Baez wants to go back more than a year of phone records and Lazarro argued that would be an invasion of his privacy.
Prosecutors on Monday also filed a response saying Baez is wasting time over the jail video of Anthony watching news coverage of a child's remains being found near her home.
Casey Anthony is in the Orange County jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found last December in a wooded area off Suburban Drive near the Anthony family home.
In a response to recent statements from Baez, prosecutors said he's trying to deflect attention from the evidence in the case and focus on bogus claims of government "misconduct." They asked the judge to make a decision on whether or not to seal the video without having another hearing.
Prosecutors said it's time to move forward and out of the "quagmire" Baez has created over the issue.
Meanwhile, Judge Stan Strickland has issued an order granting Andrea Lyon admission in to the case. Lyon is a Chicago law school professor, who will lead the defense efforts against prosecutor's attempts to seek the death penalty. Lyon is a veteran of more than 100 homicide cases.
http://www.wesh.com/news/19759604/detail.html
One2Snoop
06-16-2009, 01:14 PM
Anthonys' Attorney Appears On GMA
Posted: 11:47 am EDT June 16, 2009Updated: 12:03 pm EDT June 16, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George and Cindy's attorney, Brad Conway, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday. However, Conway did not clear up any of the suspicion that Casey had something to do with her daughter, Caylee Anthony's death.
RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway On GMA
http://www.wftv.com/video/19767094/index.html
"But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?" asked GMA reporter Chris Cuomo.
"I do not, no. I don't," responded Conway.
But Conway does think someone else may have been involved with the crime.
"I think there's reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?" asked Conway.
Conway went on to say that he and his clients are trying to take control over the information that the public gets to see. They want to make sure Casey gets a fair trial.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19767180/detail.html
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 02:22 PM
Anthonys' Attorney Appears On GMA
Posted: 11:47 am EDT June 16, 2009Updated: 12:03 pm EDT June 16, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George and Cindy's attorney, Brad Conway, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday. However, Conway did not clear up any of the suspicion that Casey had something to do with her daughter, Caylee Anthony's death.
RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway On GMA
http://www.wftv.com/video/19767094/index.html
"But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?" asked GMA reporter Chris Cuomo.
"I do not, no. I don't," responded Conway.
But Conway does think someone else may have been involved with the crime.
"I think there's reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?" asked Conway.
Conway went on to say that he and his clients are trying to take control over the information that the public gets to see. They want to make sure Casey gets a fair trial.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19767180/detail.html
Do you get the feeling everybody's not on the same page of the script?
Maybe they think if they muddy the waters enough, Casey will be un-convictable:shrug:
imo...
And... how can you take control of the information with the sunshine law in place? Isn't that the whole purpose of it, to NOT control it? (I understand why no autopsy photos, of course) imo again...
Gatordog
06-16-2009, 02:36 PM
Debate Continues Over Anthony Jail Video
Prosecutors File Response Saying Baez Wasting Time Over Video
POSTED: 4:03 pm EDT June 15, 2009
UPDATED: 5:13 pm EDT June 15, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors in the case against Casey Anthony argued Monday that her attorney, Jose Baez, is building what amounts to a propaganda campaign accusing the state of prosecutorial conduct without any evidence to prove it.
Tony Lazarro, Anthony’s former boyfriend, was the latest key state witness to come forward and file court papers Monday asking to be shielded from a subpoena. Baez is seeking to find out who Lazarro talked to and when.
Lazarro has cooperated with investigators and provided phone records to detectives. But, Baez wants to go back more than a year of phone records and Lazarro argued that would be an invasion of his privacy.
Prosecutors on Monday also filed a response saying Baez is wasting time over the jail video of Anthony watching news coverage of a child's remains being found near her home.
Casey Anthony is in the Orange County jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found last December in a wooded area off Suburban Drive near the Anthony family home.
In a response to recent statements from Baez, prosecutors said he's trying to deflect attention from the evidence in the case and focus on bogus claims of government "misconduct." They asked the judge to make a decision on whether or not to seal the video without having another hearing.
Prosecutors said it's time to move forward and out of the "quagmire" Baez has created over the issue.
Meanwhile, Judge Stan Strickland has issued an order granting Andrea Lyon admission in to the case. Lyon is a Chicago law school professor, who will lead the defense efforts against prosecutor's attempts to seek the death penalty. Lyon is a veteran of more than 100 homicide cases.
http://www.wesh.com/news/19759604/detail.html
Seems to me that Baez is fishing for information to discredit witnesses. Lazzaro met the Liar in May. Why go back one year prior to meeting her unless it is to get some dirt on the witnesses. The Judge shouild limit the phone records to June and July.
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 02:39 PM
Anthonys' Attorney Appears On GMA
Posted: 11:47 am EDT June 16, 2009Updated: 12:03 pm EDT June 16, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George and Cindy's attorney, Brad Conway, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday. However, Conway did not clear up any of the suspicion that Casey had something to do with her daughter, Caylee Anthony's death.
RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway On GMA
http://www.wftv.com/video/19767094/index.html
"But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?" asked GMA reporter Chris Cuomo.
"I do not, no. I don't," responded Conway.
But Conway does think someone else may have been involved with the crime.
"I think there's reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?" asked Conway.
Conway went on to say that he and his clients are trying to take control over the information that the public gets to see. They want to make sure Casey gets a fair trial.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19767180/detail.html
Brad: http://i18.tinypic.com/42n3ja0.jpg
And speaking of conspiracies, daisy chains, and pipedreams, maybe just maybe if Cindy had provided Tim Miller with an item of Caylee's clothing, his scent dogs could have picked up Caylee's trail and the lazy deputy wouldn't be the only one taking the fall for Caylee's remains not having been found until December.
One2Snoop
06-16-2009, 02:47 PM
Brad: http://i18.tinypic.com/42n3ja0.jpg
And speaking of conspiracies, daisy chains, and pipedreams, maybe just maybe if Cindy had provided Tim Miller with an item of Caylee's clothing, his scent dogs could have picked up Caylee's trail and the lazy deputy wouldn't be the only one taking the fall for Caylee's remains not having been found until December.
Seriously!!! I wonder if CA has baked brownies for Brad recently.
shadydaisy
06-16-2009, 02:51 PM
This article is kind of nauseating, pay attention to the 2nd paragraph. Pot calling the kettle black?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/16/earlyshow/main5091256.shtml
deacon
06-16-2009, 03:04 PM
Anthonys' Attorney Appears On GMA
Posted: 11:47 am EDT June 16, 2009Updated: 12:03 pm EDT June 16, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George and Cindy's attorney, Brad Conway, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday. However, Conway did not clear up any of the suspicion that Casey had something to do with her daughter, Caylee Anthony's death.
RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway On GMA
http://www.wftv.com/video/19767094/index.html
"But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?" asked GMA reporter Chris Cuomo.
"I do not, no. I don't," responded Conway.
But Conway does think someone else may have been involved with the crime.
"I think there's reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?" asked Conway.
Conway went on to say that he and his clients are trying to take control over the information that the public gets to see. They want to make sure Casey gets a fair trial.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19767180/detail.html
Not a chance, they are simply trying to take control period!:no:
deacon
06-16-2009, 03:08 PM
This article is kind of nauseating, pay attention to the 2nd paragraph. Pot calling the kettle black?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/16/earlyshow/main5091256.shtml
glad you warned me. I almost puked. Those two helping someone is like being caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. I'll take the deep blue sea every time.
Now, they could help him by telling him some lies they think are working.
deacon
06-16-2009, 03:09 PM
Brad: http://i18.tinypic.com/42n3ja0.jpg
And speaking of conspiracies, daisy chains, and pipedreams, maybe just maybe if Cindy had provided Tim Miller with an item of Caylee's clothing, his scent dogs could have picked up Caylee's trail and the lazy deputy wouldn't be the only one taking the fall for Caylee's remains not having been found until December.
I think they must sit in the offices and play pass the pipe. I wonder where they get their crack from. Hmmm I bet somewhere near in Fl.
Nawny
06-16-2009, 05:55 PM
Anthonys' Attorney Appears On GMA
Posted: 11:47 am EDT June 16, 2009Updated: 12:03 pm EDT June 16, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George and Cindy's attorney, Brad Conway, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday. However, Conway did not clear up any of the suspicion that Casey had something to do with her daughter, Caylee Anthony's death.
RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway On GMA
http://www.wftv.com/video/19767094/index.html
"But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?" asked GMA reporter Chris Cuomo.
"I do not, no. I don't," responded Conway.
But Conway does think someone else may have been involved with the crime.
"I think there's reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?" asked Conway.
Conway went on to say that he and his clients are trying to take control over the information that the public gets to see. They want to make sure Casey gets a fair trial.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19767180/detail.html
If here was someone else involved wih Caylee's murder, Casey would have sang like a canary by now. She would do anything to get out of jail or drag someone in there with her.
deacon
06-16-2009, 06:24 PM
If here was someone else involved wih Caylee's murder, Casey would have sang like a canary by now. She would do anything to get out of jail or drag someone in there with her.
Some people refuse to accept that a woman can kill like that. Don't know why but they do. Make her a mother and they absolutely refuse to accept that she coul hurt her child. They need to read the news.
Gatordog
06-16-2009, 08:42 PM
:rose:
I went to the memorial at Jay Blanchard Park. It started with about 30 people and ended with about 50. All the networks were there including CNN. It actually was very nice and focused on Caylee's life. Richard Grund did all the speaking as he said there were supposed to be others but they couldn't make it. Mark Klass sent a beautiful note. He said one year ago today, Caylee climbed the highest summit and is sitting with Polly. He signed it, Polly's Dad. He said too many innocents are becoming victims.
Richard Grund said similar comments. He stated that too many children are going missing and being killed. He said some people claim it is the economy, but he said that our parents and grandparents went through worse in the depression. It brought families together, not tore them apart. Tough times make you realize that all you have is your family and you hold them tight. He said to keep your children close, hold them and love them.
They had purple and lavender balloons which had Caylee's name and the name of another missing child written on them and the names were read aloud and the ballons released one at a time. Then they released butterflies and one flew right to the flower arrangement that they had put there. It was very beautiful, pinl roses and white flowers.
Lois was there and so was Dakotah. Dakotah looks very much like Kirstin Dunst when she was younger. I think Murt was there.
It was very poignant when Richard Grund was talking about what a happy child Caylee was and always laughing and just behind him were children on the playground that Caylee loved. He asked everyone to sing "You are my sunshine". The police drove by quite a few times and two Guardian Angels were there.
No sooner did it it end and the skies opened up. I just made it home when a terrible storm came through. It was sunny throughout the whole service and five minutes later is was pouring.
I couldn't get on my computer for an hour until the lightning stopped. I'll post the photos as soon as I download them.
Gator
deacon
06-16-2009, 08:54 PM
:rose:
I went to the memorial at Jay Blanchard Park. It started with about 30 people and ended with about 50. All the networks were there including CNN. It actually was very nice and focused on Caylee's life. Richard Grund did all the speaking as he said there were supposed to be others but they couldn't make it. Mark Klass sent a beautiful note. He said one year ago today, Caylee climbed the highest summit and is sitting with Polly. He signed it, Polly's Dad. He said too many innocents are becoming victims.
Richard Grund said similar comments. He stated that too many children are going missing and being killed. He said some people claim it is the economy, but he said that our parents and grandparents went through worse in the depression. It brought families together, not tore them apart. Tough times make you realize that all you have is your family and you hold them tight. He said to keep your children close, hold them and love them.
They had purple and lavender balloons which had Caylee's name and the name of another missing child written on them and the names were read aloud and the ballons released one at a time. Then they released butterflies and one flew right to the flower arrangement that they had put there. It was very beautiful, pinl roses and white flowers.
Lois was there and so was Dakotah. Dakotah looks very much like Kirstin Dunst when she was younger. I think Murt was there.
It was very poignant when Richard Grund was talking about what a happy child Caylee was and always laughing and just behind him were children on the playground that Caylee loved. He asked everyone to sing "You are my sunshine". The police drove by quite a few times and two Guardian Angels were there.
No sooner did it it end and the skies opened up. I just made it home when a terrible storm came through. It was sunny throughout the whole service and five minutes later is was pouring.
I couldn't get on my computer for an hour until the lightning stopped. I'll post the photos as soon as I download them.
Gator
Thanks:rose:
wind149
06-16-2009, 09:00 PM
Oh Christ, anyone catch Queenie on the Early Show? Same old blather, same old song and dance, must be the questions were once again PRE-APPROVED by her and as much as I despise Ron Cummings, I have to give him a tad of credit for not wanting the A's to be involved in his daughter's plight and as usual Cindy runs her mouth and says that THEY WERE THE ONES WHO TOLD THE MEDIA ABOUT HALEIGH? Did I miss something here? That morning I got up like I always do about 8 a.m. and turned on HLN and heard that a 5 year old girl was missing from Satsuma FL and possibly had been abducted and then awhile later, they played the 911 tape and then all day with updates and then saw the family being interviewed and not once did I hear that these morons were sending the media their way, not one word did I hear about the A's and their involvement in contacting the media????
Damm, this woman does not know how to shut the f*ck up and I thought what she said about Ron was despicable, as far as we know, he had no involvement and while I point the finger at Misti, I don't think he thinks she did it just like these assholes think CA is as pure as snow on a VT mountaintop and yet, because Ron, and he has that right, does not want to have anything to do with them, now puts him down and insists they still would want to help him like they want to help other parents? Yeah, All Queenie wants is the photo ops, she don't give a sheep's ass if my kid was missing tonight, unless she can come up here to Hope MI and have our local and the networks out in my front lawn! Now Lap Dog was talking a tad today and not really agreeing with her,. he probably paid for it later though huh?
I almost did not watch this as I try not to unless there is something I really want to hear about because it is the same old s*it different day with Queenie at the helm and she true to form milked it for all it was worth and the autopsy results are possibly gonna be released despite the fact she does not want to go public and FL dictates thank God, that info like this CAN be released despite objections, but it will be a moot point as if they do win the battle, it will still be brought forth during the trial. Now I watched bits and pieces of OJ's trial and certainly Pam Smart's as we all did not see any ABC's shows as we only had one ABC in that area of NH at that time and I did not see my soap, but the trial was more important and I taped it because I worked weird hours back then. Now I watched Smth's and Couey's and that was hard on me, to hear the horror, the pain that those beautiful girls went through at the hands of those scumbags and what sucks, is they are still BREATHING, sucking up tax dollars till finally their appeals will exhaust, years yet.
I plan on watching every second of this trial, I predict that this will be the 21st century's trial of the century and anyone wanna guess how long it will last? OJ's lasted damm near 9 months and I hope this one does not drag on like his and do you all think the jury will be sequestered? I think so, but hopefully, people will not be made to be away from their lives too long as I think the jury in OJ's trial was sick of being caged up 24/7 and that is why when they went to deliberate, they wanted to go home that day!!! And this trial will be a doozy, the networks will wet themselves the day the verdict comes down trying to get the story out! As for Bozo, I think he took this case hoping to polish his resume and he is not a good attorney and I think he is giving false hope to CA, she really thinks he is gonna get her a walk down the beach instead of the green mile and possibly might find his ass disbarred when it is all over and done. A question just got posed on NG. Do you think that CA will take the stand??? And as I said with glee, I admit it, I can't wait to see how C&G conduct themselves on the stand seeing as they won't have any control over the questions the DA puts forth, if the depos are any indication, they will really look like assholes if they pull that crap seeing as it is the fight for their daughter's life.
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 09:38 PM
Gator, thanks so much for the rundown on the memorial. Sounds lovely, and God bless Mark Klaas. Saw a pic of the flower arrangement on another site and they were beautiful.
Tonight on NG, Natisha(sp?) Lance said that Casey may take the stand. :eek: I think she credited this bombshell to Brad Conway, but my reception was sketchy and I may have missed something. Will check the transcript when it's up.
Wind, I can't imagine NOT watching this trial either!
ETA: Mark Eiglarsh made an interesting comment on Prime News tonight: The State's evidence when taken as a whole is very convincing even though largely circumstantial, but the defense will pick each element apart one by one to cast doubt. This is what happened in the OJ trial and he gave credit to Henry Lee for successfully accomplishing this. (Paraphrased.)
Of course as far as we know, the prosecution doesn't have any racist framing bad guys in the woodwork.
deacon
06-16-2009, 09:51 PM
Gator, thanks so much for the rundown on the memorial. Sounds lovely, and God bless Mark Klaas. Saw a pic of the flower arrangement on another site and they were beautiful.
Tonight on NG, Natisha(sp?) Lance said that Casey may take the stand. :eek: I think she credited this bombshell to Brad Conway, but my reception was sketchy and I may have missed something. Will check the transcript when it's up.
Wind, I can't imagine NOT watching this trial either!
ETA: Mark Eiglarsh made an interesting comment on Prime News tonight: The State's evidence when taken as a whole is very convincing even though largely circumstantial, but the defense will pick each element apart one by one to cast doubt. This is what happened in the OJ trial and he gave credit to Henry Lee for successfully accomplishing this. (Paraphrased.)
Of course as far as we know, the prosecution doesn't have any racist framing bad guys in the woodwork.
But Dr. wee's reputation isn't what it once was and I really don't think he or the other guy can stand up to cross in this case. It will be brutal. I think that was one of the things missing in the oj case. Too much Mr. nice guy. One thing I always wondered about the oj case. He has arth. in his hands. If he does not take his meds. his hands swell. Hmmm do you suppose he was off of his meds? I tend to think so. Also, he was wearing latex gloves on his hands when he tried to put the glove on. Try that one day and see how it works out for you. You will not be able to get leather gloves on over latex gloves. They will stick every time. Besides, casey isn't a hall of shame er I mean fame football player.
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 10:11 PM
But Dr. wee's reputation isn't what it once was and I really don't think he or the other guy can stand up to cross in this case. It will be brutal. I think that was one of the things missing in the oj case. Too much Mr. nice guy. One thing I always wondered about the oj case. He has arth. in his hands. If he does not take his meds. his hands swell. Hmmm do you suppose he was off of his meds? I tend to think so. Also, he was wearing latex gloves on his hands when he tried to put the glove on. Try that one day and see how it works out for you. You will not be able to get leather gloves on over latex gloves. They will stick every time. Besides, casey isn't a hall of shame er I mean fame football player.
imo, trying to pull an OJ would be a mistake, not that Baez could ever make a mistake or anything...police misconduct, tainted evidence, and Henry Lee are SO last century, if you ask me...
seriously, everybody knows those tricks and they won't be effective as a defense, imo.
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 10:23 PM
But Dr. wee's reputation isn't what it once was and I really don't think he or the other guy can stand up to cross in this case. It will be brutal. I think that was one of the things missing in the oj case. Too much Mr. nice guy. One thing I always wondered about the oj case. He has arth. in his hands. If he does not take his meds. his hands swell. Hmmm do you suppose he was off of his meds? I tend to think so. Also, he was wearing latex gloves on his hands when he tried to put the glove on. Try that one day and see how it works out for you. You will not be able to get leather gloves on over latex gloves. They will stick every time. Besides, casey isn't a hall of shame er I mean fame football player.
Oh, ITA about HL's reputation these days especially due to his testimony and whatever the heck he did at the Spector trial. Can the prosecution use the fact that the judge ruled that he removed evidence from the scene?
Nawny
06-16-2009, 10:23 PM
:rose:
I went to the memorial at Jay Blanchard Park. It started with about 30 people and ended with about 50. All the networks were there including CNN. It actually was very nice and focused on Caylee's life. Richard Grund did all the speaking as he said there were supposed to be others but they couldn't make it. Mark Klass sent a beautiful note. He said one year ago today, Caylee climbed the highest summit and is sitting with Polly. He signed it, Polly's Dad. He said too many innocents are becoming victims.
Richard Grund said similar comments. He stated that too many children are going missing and being killed. He said some people claim it is the economy, but he said that our parents and grandparents went through worse in the depression. It brought families together, not tore them apart. Tough times make you realize that all you have is your family and you hold them tight. He said to keep your children close, hold them and love them.
They had purple and lavender balloons which had Caylee's name and the name of another missing child written on them and the names were read aloud and the ballons released one at a time. Then they released butterflies and one flew right to the flower arrangement that they had put there. It was very beautiful, pinl roses and white flowers.
Lois was there and so was Dakotah. Dakotah looks very much like Kirstin Dunst when she was younger. I think Murt was there.
It was very poignant when Richard Grund was talking about what a happy child Caylee was and always laughing and just behind him were children on the playground that Caylee loved. He asked everyone to sing "You are my sunshine". The police drove by quite a few times and two Guardian Angels were there.
No sooner did it it end and the skies opened up. I just made it home when a terrible storm came through. It was sunny throughout the whole service and five minutes later is was pouring.
I couldn't get on my computer for an hour until the lightning stopped. I'll post the photos as soon as I download them.
Gator
Gator I'm speechless! That story went right to my heart! I speaks volumes to who you are! :)
Muuuwaahh! And a big hug!
mu8shark
06-16-2009, 10:25 PM
What the???? Since when did George fix Caylee's breakfast?
UGH Lying POS. And Cindy is responsible for getting Haleigh national exposure? Riiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttttt.What the H is right? I got on here to address that. Did George ever mention this before? Now all of a sudden he is elaborating on his story. I don't recall him ever saying that and now he knows they had breakfast at 7:30 what time does Cindy leave for work? Wasn't she there at 7:30. How could he remember a month later what time they ate unless they ate at the same time every single day as a matter of routine. This is just BS. Pretty soon he will add Zenaida to the breakfast table. And Cindy is now the heroine in the Cummings story? She did not bring attention to this story, the family did.
mu8shark
06-16-2009, 10:35 PM
Gator, thanks so much for the rundown on the memorial. Sounds lovely, and God bless Mark Klaas. Saw a pic of the flower arrangement on another site and they were beautiful.
Tonight on NG, Natisha(sp?) Lance said that Casey may take the stand. :eek: I think she credited this bombshell to Brad Conway, but my reception was sketchy and I may have missed something. Will check the transcript when it's up.
Wind, I can't imagine NOT watching this trial either!
ETA: Mark Eiglarsh made an interesting comment on Prime News tonight: The State's evidence when taken as a whole is very convincing even though largely circumstantial, but the defense will pick each element apart one by one to cast doubt. This is what happened in the OJ trial and he gave credit to Henry Lee for successfully accomplishing this. (Paraphrased.)
Of course as far as we know, the prosecution doesn't have any racist framing bad guys in the woodwork. Two comments on this, yes Casey is a middle class white girl so no racist police theories need apply here. Also Lee's reputation was somewhat pristine back then commpared to what it is now. Also on Headline news the defense attorneys were saying the best defense for Casey or one of the best points is that there is no official cause of death. It worked for Scott Peterson right? Didn't it? Oh I forgot the jury in that case did not reward him for disposing of the body for a while. If that is their best shot that because there is no cause of death it will get her off, they better go back to the drawing board. In some cases they don't even find a fricking body.
mu8shark
06-16-2009, 10:38 PM
Oh, ITA about HL's reputation these days especially due to his testimony and whatever the heck he did at the Spector trial. Can the prosecution use the fact that the judge ruled that he removed evidence from the scene?It is my understanding that as soon as you present an experts credentials and reveal they have testified in other cases, any hanky panky in another trial would be fair game for the prosecutor. Henry Lee has become a joke. He said experts can't determine the difference between human and animal decomposition. Uh, Henry yes they can , it happens all the time.
Nawny
06-16-2009, 10:42 PM
Oh, ITA about HL reputation these days especially due to his testimony and whatever the heck he did at the Spector trial. Can the prosecution use the fact that the judge ruled that he removed evidence from the scene?
Lots of people were paid lots of schoolies to say what they said under oath. Dr Wee did a bad. :no: God got him in the career, as karma does well with liars and thieves. Those who got OJ off were shameless. As the A's are shameless. I dread the trial because I dread watching the liar poop herslef in public and her wicked mother melt into the floor.
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 11:08 PM
[/B] Two comments on this, yes Casey is a middle class white girl so no racist police theories need apply here. Also Lee's reputation was somewhat pristine back then commpared to what it is now. Also on Headline news the defense attorneys were saying the best defense for Casey or one of the best points is that there is no official cause of death. It worked for Scott Peterson right? Didn't it? Oh I forgot the jury in that case did not reward him for disposing of the body for a while. If that is their best shot that because there is no cause of death it will get her off, they better go back to the drawing board. In some cases they don't even find a fricking body.
I wonder if they might try to point out she was "dating" several LE people, and maybe Baez could try for Lover's Quarrel revenge as being the source of the "conspiracy" to frame Casey. That would be a new one. imo.
lorettalockhorn
06-16-2009, 11:28 PM
I wonder if they might try to point out she was "dating" several LE people, and maybe Baez could try for Lover's Quarrel revenge as being the source of the "conspiracy" to frame Casey. That would be a new one. imo.
Sounds kinda worky for Baez. He'll need to hire Conway to help him with that theory!
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 11:32 PM
Sounds kinda worky for Baez. He'll need to hire Conway to help him with that theory!
It might explain why he wants the phone records for such an extended period of time, to see if he can link anyone up going way back. He would need more than June/July for that...hmmmm. There actually is an odd amount of LE and former LE mingled here...but then, why her parents? THAT is so odd, imo.
Nawny
06-16-2009, 11:39 PM
I wonder if they might try to point out she was "dating" several LE people, and maybe Baez could try for Lover's Quarrel revenge as being the source of the "conspiracy" to frame Casey. That would be a new one. imo.
OMG! That's brilliant BoB! You think like a criminal defense lawyer! Jeeeze! It's not just a great lifetime movie script, it's better! :beer:
Night Gombalina's! Time to crawl up those stairs :seeya:
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 11:44 PM
OMG! That's brilliant BoB! You think like a criminal defense lawyer! Jeeeze! It's not just a great lifetime movie script, it's better! :beer:
Night Gombalina's! Time to crawl up those stairs :seeya:
LOL! There seems to be so many "lovers" she could have "quarreled" with, I got an image of Murder on the Orient Express in my head...!
But i would make sense for the defendant to project her motives on any scapegoats so it would make sense in her mind. In this case, vengeance...(conjecture on my part)
BeastofBears
06-16-2009, 11:47 PM
they really need to consider NOT TALKING ANYMORE before the trial. every time they open their mouths they tell another lie, maybe they are doing this on purpose, maybe they WANT to hang their daughter and themselves, lol, they can't really be ignorant enough to think they are doing any good.................................can they? :shrug:
RIP CAYLEE :rose::rose::rose:
We will know when the verdict comes in and we see if Cindy smirks or not, depending on the result...moo
Yeah. That hour long news/cooking show in Food Network. Ahem.
How many times have we heard that he watched them go out the door?
Found the info I wanted on another board about the cooking shows. I'm thinking someone here (Gator, maybe?) had also looked into the cooking show. I'm pretty sure he had mentioned AN HOUR LONG show, but can't find that quote. Anyway:
Well, dang, I copied the wrong information!!! The information was that @ 12.00am to 1.00 am is Iron Chef which is an hour long show, listed for June 16, 2008. On June 16, 2008 from 12.00 pm to 12.30 pm was (now I can't remember, lol) and from 12.30pm to 1.00pm was Unwrapped. So, if George was watching an hour long cooking show, that would mean that Casey and Caylee left just after midnight on the 15th (my theory, except I was figuring it was the news he was watching, as he attempted to say news before Cindy pinched his leg.) Even Scott Peterson NAMED the show Laci was supposedly watching as he left their home. Wonder why George wouldn't just say, I was watching "whatever" instead of stumbling around then saying a cooking show?
That is what tell a lie will do for you. Once you have told a lie one must rememer which lie they told to which person. Then add not telling the truth to the public and another problem comes up. Everything they said is a matter of public record. I can hear the question now... This time you told us this and that time you told us that, now, which time were you not telling the truth? Nothing good can come from that question. You see, either way they have proven they will lie.
Liar, liar, pants on fire! ( sorry, I just couldn't help myself):no:
I was also viewing other videos. One was when Cindy threw her tantrum in the front yard. She is hammering a sign and speaking (angrily, whatelse?) to reporters, this is the one where she calles them maggots and termites? No, not termites, but other derogatory names. Anyway, she grabs the sign she was just pounding into the lawn, stalks off and picks up another sign, pounds it, picks it up, etc. My impression was that she was enjoying the limelight, otherwise she would have stalked back into the house until reporters left, or sent Lee or someone out to put the dang signs up (Casey was home, some of LP's fellows standing around probably would have put those signs up for Cindy.)
Anyway, speaking of lies. She also says "If I tho't Casey's life was in danger, I wouldn't have her in my house." "Threats? We haven't received any threats!!!!" And says, unless we hear it from LE or from the mouths of the A's, we are not to take any information as the truth. And, she says "When have I ever lied to you?" I remember another video, they are walking out of a hearing, and Cindy is telling how they receive (I think she said thousands of) threats "all the time--by email, by letter, by voice mail and cell phones." Well, Cindy ONE of those statement has to be a lie. Either you received threats, or you didn't.
they really need to consider NOT TALKING ANYMORE before the trial. every time they open their mouths they tell another lie, maybe they are doing this on purpose, maybe they WANT to hang their daughter and themselves, lol, they can't really be ignorant enough to think they are doing any good.................................can they? :shrug:
RIP CAYLEE :rose::rose::rose:
I think they are making it where neither the prosecution nor the defense will find it productive to have them on the stand. Once the jury finds that they have a minimum of 2 versions of EVERYTHING, what can they believe about anything the A's say on the stand? Sure, and they are under oath, but they have made statements under oath in the LE/FBI interviews that conflict with statements made under oath in the ZF-G depo.
IMO, all that will come out of having the A's on the stand is to prove that they are not above lying under oath. Any information about the murder of their granddaughter Caylee will be useless, except that which can be verified by the testimony of someone else.
OTOH, perhaps that will give the court the opportunity to charge them w/perjury, and what consequences can that hold? And, perhaps to lay the ground work for obstruction of justice charges? Unless, of course, the statute limitation on that charge would be up before this case gets to trial. :flamemad:
Anthonys' Attorney Appears On GMA
Posted: 11:47 am EDT June 16, 2009Updated: 12:03 pm EDT June 16, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George and Cindy's attorney, Brad Conway, appeared on Good Morning America Tuesday. However, Conway did not clear up any of the suspicion that Casey had something to do with her daughter, Caylee Anthony's death.
RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway On GMA
http://www.wftv.com/video/19767094/index.html
"But do you know of any theory that rules out Casey as being under the umbrella of suspicion here?" asked GMA reporter Chris Cuomo.
"I do not, no. I don't," responded Conway.
But Conway does think someone else may have been involved with the crime.
"I think there's reason to believe that other people were involved. The question is what was their involvement? How deep was it? Was it minimal or was it actually bordering on conspiracy?" asked Conway.
Conway went on to say that he and his clients are trying to take control over the information that the public gets to see. They want to make sure Casey gets a fair trial.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19767180/detail.html
Yep, better be careful what you say, Mr Conway. There are people other than you who think perhaps Casey did not act alone. Unfortunately for your clients, many of these people think the accomplices might be your very own clients. Wouldn't that be a hoot--for him to be saying that, and, if true, it would be determined it was his own clients?
And, wouldn't that set a presidense for a defendant's family to be the ones to determine what information would be release to the public? What arrogance, to think that THEY could take over for the legal system to make those decisions!!!! :biggrin: I guess, when the fraudations lose their effect (because, WHO will contact the A's for help? And, those who do--won't get it) they can make their attempt to get some sort of Caylee's law into effect to allow families of defendants to control information. Oh, wait. That would be CASEY's Law, wouldn't it? Caylee swept under the rug again.
Oh, ITA about HL's reputation these days especially due to his testimony and whatever the heck he did at the Spector trial. Can the prosecution use the fact that the judge ruled that he removed evidence from the scene?
And, spitting ketchup @ the Peterson East trial probably didn't have a positive effect on his reputation, either.
I think, when the opposition is questioning an expert about his credentials and background and experience, they should be able to bring up the Spector stuff. Not the Peterson, of course, that was just his "exhibit." They can ask about any censures or whatever the judge handed down to him was. It points to his credibility, I would think and would be admissible. Of course, JMO.
What the H is right? I got on here to address that. Did George ever mention this before? Now all of a sudden he is elaborating on his story. I don't recall him ever saying that and now he knows they had breakfast at 7:30 what time does Cindy leave for work? Wasn't she there at 7:30. How could he remember a month later what time they ate unless they ate at the same time every single day as a matter of routine. This is just BS. Pretty soon he will add Zenaida to the breakfast table. And Cindy is now the heroine in the Cummings story? She did not bring attention to this story, the family did.
In one of the videos (I think Greta otr on utube, or it could have been just a Greta video) he says Caylee generally got up about 10, he fixed her breakfast, they watched tv, etc. So, if he's saying Caylee got up about 7:30 that morning, that would be a bit unusual, and you would think he would have mentioned something unusual before now. PLUS, in this morning's interview, he says he "had the chance" to have breakfast w/Caylee. That sounds like they did not have breakfast together very often @ all, but other interviews he indicates he was the one who usually got Caylee her breakfast.
Now, don't you go and take the wind out of Cindy's sails. You know how she should have been worrying about herself when she took the time to call her national news friends to tell them to carry this story on their national news programs. Altho, she "heard" about Haleigh--that would make me think that she would have heard it on tv--would Satsuma news be on Orlando local stations unless it was picked up by a national service?
deacon
06-17-2009, 05:22 AM
I was also viewing other videos. One was when Cindy threw her tantrum in the front yard. She is hammering a sign and speaking (angrily, whatelse?) to reporters, this is the one where she calles them maggots and termites? No, not termites, but other derogatory names. Anyway, she grabs the sign she was just pounding into the lawn, stalks off and picks up another sign, pounds it, picks it up, etc. My impression was that she was enjoying the limelight, otherwise she would have stalked back into the house until reporters left, or sent Lee or someone out to put the dang signs up (Casey was home, some of LP's fellows standing around probably would have put those signs up for Cindy.)
Anyway, speaking of lies. She also says "If I tho't Casey's life was in danger, I wouldn't have her in my house." "Threats? We haven't received any threats!!!!" And says, unless we hear it from LE or from the mouths of the A's, we are not to take any information as the truth. And, she says "When have I ever lied to you?" I remember another video, they are walking out of a hearing, and Cindy is telling how they receive (I think she said thousands of) threats "all the time--by email, by letter, by voice mail and cell phones." Well, Cindy ONE of those statement has to be a lie. Either you received threats, or you didn't.
That pesky old truth will get you every time.
deacon
06-17-2009, 05:28 AM
I think they are making it where neither the prosecution nor the defense will find it productive to have them on the stand. Once the jury finds that they have a minimum of 2 versions of EVERYTHING, what can they believe about anything the A's say on the stand? Sure, and they are under oath, but they have made statements under oath in the LE/FBI interviews that conflict with statements made under oath in the ZF-G depo.
IMO, all that will come out of having the A's on the stand is to prove that they are not above lying under oath. Any information about the murder of their granddaughter Caylee will be useless, except that which can be verified by the testimony of someone else.
OTOH, perhaps that will give the court the opportunity to charge them w/perjury, and what consequences can that hold? And, perhaps to lay the ground work for obstruction of justice charges? Unless, of course, the statute limitation on that charge would be up before this case gets to trial. :flamemad:
It also will show that anything they say to cover her rear is a lie. Their excuses will be seen for what they are. Bunk
Gatordog
06-17-2009, 08:25 AM
Found the info I wanted on another board about the cooking shows. I'm thinking someone here (Gator, maybe?) had also looked into the cooking show. I'm pretty sure he had mentioned AN HOUR LONG show, but can't find that quote. Anyway:
Well, dang, I copied the wrong information!!! The information was that @ 12.00am to 1.00 am is Iron Chef which is an hour long show, listed for June 16, 2008. On June 16, 2008 from 12.00 pm to 12.30 pm was (now I can't remember, lol) and from 12.30pm to 1.00pm was Unwrapped. So, if George was watching an hour long cooking show, that would mean that Casey and Caylee left just after midnight on the 15th (my theory, except I was figuring it was the news he was watching, as he attempted to say news before Cindy pinched his leg.) Even Scott Peterson NAMED the show Laci was supposedly watching as he left their home. Wonder why George wouldn't just say, I was watching "whatever" instead of stumbling around then saying a cooking show?
Loretta is the one who came up with the info on the one hour long food show which did not appear to exist.
Gatordog
06-17-2009, 08:31 AM
In one of the videos (I think Greta otr on utube, or it could have been just a Greta video) he says Caylee generally got up about 10, he fixed her breakfast, they watched tv, etc. So, if he's saying Caylee got up about 7:30 that morning, that would be a bit unusual, and you would think he would have mentioned something unusual before now. PLUS, in this morning's interview, he says he "had the chance" to have breakfast w/Caylee. That sounds like they did not have breakfast together very often @ all, but other interviews he indicates he was the one who usually got Caylee her breakfast.
Now, don't you go and take the wind out of Cindy's sails. You know how she should have been worrying about herself when she took the time to call her national news friends to tell them to carry this story on their national news programs. Altho, she "heard" about Haleigh--that would make me think that she would have heard it on tv--would Satsuma news be on Orlando local stations unless it was picked up by a national service?
Amy, that's what I remember; he said they got up at 10 ish in the morning. I think he said it on the Greta interview.
Also, the food show was one he said he watched everday and liked. I can tell you the exact names of shows that I watch on a frequent basis.
Nawny
06-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Amy, that's what I remember; he said they got up at 10 ish in the morning. I think he said it on the Greta interview.
Also, the food show was one he said he watched everyday and liked. I can tell you the exact names of shows that I watch on a frequent basis.
I never met a two year old who slept till 10am. Maybe liar slept till 10:00 but I would bet money that Caylee didn't. Every mother on earth would love it if their toddler slept till 10am. Another lie if my name is Nawny!
(Unless of course you put a child that young to bed after midnight.)
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 10:39 AM
Found the info I wanted on another board about the cooking shows. I'm thinking someone here (Gator, maybe?) had also looked into the cooking show. I'm pretty sure he had mentioned AN HOUR LONG show, but can't find that quote. Anyway:
Well, dang, I copied the wrong information!!! The information was that @ 12.00am to 1.00 am is Iron Chef which is an hour long show, listed for June 16, 2008. On June 16, 2008 from 12.00 pm to 12.30 pm was (now I can't remember, lol) and from 12.30pm to 1.00pm was Unwrapped. So, if George was watching an hour long cooking show, that would mean that Casey and Caylee left just after midnight on the 15th (my theory, except I was figuring it was the news he was watching, as he attempted to say news before Cindy pinched his leg.) Even Scott Peterson NAMED the show Laci was supposedly watching as he left their home. Wonder why George wouldn't just say, I was watching "whatever" instead of stumbling around then saying a cooking show?
I looked that up way back when (hard to believe it's been almost a year!) and there was no hour-long show at noon on FN that I could find, but I honestly don't remember the two thirty minute programs that were in that slot. His stumbling around with the specifics and the fact that he described in such detail what Caylee was wearing made me suspicious from the git.
ETA: Found this, but still can't remember what I found to be the two programs. Think one of them was Paula Deen:
I never quite understood George's statement regarding how he knew the time 1) Food Network doesn't have hour long programs during the day (but maybe they did mid-2008), and 2) FNW doesn't have news programs.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 10:42 AM
I was also viewing other videos. One was when Cindy threw her tantrum in the front yard. She is hammering a sign and speaking (angrily, whatelse?) to reporters, this is the one where she calles them maggots and termites? No, not termites, but other derogatory names. Anyway, she grabs the sign she was just pounding into the lawn, stalks off and picks up another sign, pounds it, picks it up, etc. My impression was that she was enjoying the limelight, otherwise she would have stalked back into the house until reporters left, or sent Lee or someone out to put the dang signs up (Casey was home, some of LP's fellows standing around probably would have put those signs up for Cindy.)
Anyway, speaking of lies. She also says "If I tho't Casey's life was in danger, I wouldn't have her in my house." "Threats? We haven't received any threats!!!!" And says, unless we hear it from LE or from the mouths of the A's, we are not to take any information as the truth. And, she says "When have I ever lied to you?" I remember another video, they are walking out of a hearing, and Cindy is telling how they receive (I think she said thousands of) threats "all the time--by email, by letter, by voice mail and cell phones." Well, Cindy ONE of those statement has to be a lie. Either you received threats, or you didn't.
AHA! Now we know why she wears that gosh awful green color. :hat:
The woman would rather lie than eat.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 10:55 AM
Amy, that's what I remember; he said they got up at 10 ish in the morning. I think he said it on the Greta interview.
Also, the food show was one he said he watched everday and liked. I can tell you the exact names of shows that I watch on a frequent basis.
Well, exactly! He remembers Caylee's denim skirt that she wore every once in a while, but doesn't remember his favorite TV shows by name? :shrug:
deacon
06-17-2009, 11:05 AM
Well, exactly! He remembers Caylee's denim skirt that she wore every once in a while, but doesn't remember his favorite TV shows by name? :shrug:
Maybe he is suffering from mental pause.:punch:
JLette
06-17-2009, 11:17 AM
I think they are making it where neither the prosecution nor the defense will find it productive to have them on the stand. Once the jury finds that they have a minimum of 2 versions of EVERYTHING, what can they believe about anything the A's say on the stand? Sure, and they are under oath, but they have made statements under oath in the LE/FBI interviews that conflict with statements made under oath in the ZF-G depo.
IMO, all that will come out of having the A's on the stand is to prove that they are not above lying under oath. Any information about the murder of their granddaughter Caylee will be useless, except that which can be verified by the testimony of someone else.
OTOH, perhaps that will give the court the opportunity to charge them w/perjury, and what consequences can that hold? And, perhaps to lay the ground work for obstruction of justice charges? Unless, of course, the statute limitation on that charge would be up before this case gets to trial. :flamemad:
http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0837.html
i was going to copy and paste this info but it is really long, but it appears to be a complete chapter from florida penal code, chapter 837 on perjury, have not found the penalties yet but im sure that they are hefty, especially if the person perjuring themselves is doing so during a MURDER trial....JMO
JLette
06-17-2009, 11:24 AM
I never met a two year old who slept till 10am. Maybe liar slept till 10:00 but I would bet money that Caylee didn't. Every mother on earth would love it if their toddler slept till 10am. Another lie if my name is Nawny!
(Unless of course you put a child that young to bed after midnight.)
ITA Nawny!! the last time i got to sleep till 10 was when my son was about 8 months old, and that was only half sleep as he was in his crib next to me cooing and whatnot, so i wasn't actually SLEEPING!!!! and another thing, my son has been up as late as 12:30 before when sick, or when he just could not sleep and he STILL gets up at 7 every morning, no matter when he fell asleep the night before, its like he is not capable of sleeping past his internal alarm. so unless caylee was habitually staying up most of the night then why was she such a late sleeper?
BeastofBears
06-17-2009, 11:56 AM
ITA Nawny!! the last time i got to sleep till 10 was when my son was about 8 months old, and that was only half sleep as he was in his crib next to me cooing and whatnot, so i wasn't actually SLEEPING!!!! and another thing, my son has been up as late as 12:30 before when sick, or when he just could not sleep and he STILL gets up at 7 every morning, no matter when he fell asleep the night before, its like he is not capable of sleeping past his internal alarm. so unless caylee was habitually staying up most of the night then why was she such a late sleeper?
I wonder how whacked her schedule was, with all the partying and sleeping on couches...I mean, it's possible, but I sure doubt it. Daylight is our trigger, no matter what. :D But it was cloudy yesterday, and mine slept until 9 am. I could not believe my luck! yippee!
I think I like this Global Cooling.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 12:22 PM
Maybe he is suffering from mental pause.:punch:
tehee
I looked up the '08 schedule back when this came up for discussion, but now I cannot find it. Anyway, it seems to me that in that time slot was P Deen, or S Lee, or G de Laurentiis or some combination.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 12:23 PM
http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0837.html
i was going to copy and paste this info but it is really long, but it appears to be a complete chapter from florida penal code, chapter 837 on perjury, have not found the penalties yet but im sure that they are hefty, especially if the person perjuring themselves is doing so during a MURDER trial....JMO
Great link, thanks! Looks like the statute of limitations for perjury depends on whether the charge is a misdemeanor or felony.
One2Snoop
06-17-2009, 12:25 PM
Crowd Gathers For Caylee Memorial At Blanchard Park
The memorial at Blanchard Park is to commemorate one year since Caylee was last seen alive. (06/16/09)
http://www.wftv.com/video/19771472/index.html
One2Snoop
06-17-2009, 12:28 PM
Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
The video showed Casey Anthony's reaction after she learned a child's remains were found near her home.
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:55 AM EDT, June 17, 2009
The public will not see the video of Casey Anthony the day she learned a child's remains were found less than a mile from her home.
Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland ordered today that the video taken at the Orange County Jail on Dec. 11 be sealed.
"While the court is loathe to shield any public record, an argument can certainly be made that the contents of the video are highly inflammatory," Strickland wrote in his three-page order.
In making his decision, he watched the video and applied a legal three-part test, which included whether the video could impact a potential jury pool.
"Given the nature and scope of the pretrial publicity, it is not unreasonable to assume that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt," he wrote.
Anthony's defense team didn't want the video released and argued it would taint a potential jury pool and it violated her Constitutional rights. Media, including the Orlando Sentinel, had filed legal papers to persuade the judge to release the video.
Anthony, 23, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie. An Orange County meter reader found the 2-year-old's bones in December in woods a few blocks from the east Orange County home the girl shared with Anthony and her grandparents.
Hours after the discovery, jail officials moved Anthony from her cell and to the medical facility where a TV was showing reports of the find.
The video showed her reaction while watching the TV report. At that point, investigators had not confirmed the remains were Caylee but everyone believed it was the child.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story
deacon
06-17-2009, 12:40 PM
Casey Anthony jail video will not be released
The video showed Casey Anthony's reaction after she learned a child's remains were found near her home.
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:55 AM EDT, June 17, 2009
The public will not see the video of Casey Anthony the day she learned a child's remains were found less than a mile from her home.
Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland ordered today that the video taken at the Orange County Jail on Dec. 11 be sealed.
"While the court is loathe to shield any public record, an argument can certainly be made that the contents of the video are highly inflammatory," Strickland wrote in his three-page order.
In making his decision, he watched the video and applied a legal three-part test, which included whether the video could impact a potential jury pool.
"Given the nature and scope of the pretrial publicity, it is not unreasonable to assume that many persons in the potential jury pool might view this video and develop a 'hardened' attitude in reference to the defendant's guilt," he wrote.
Anthony's defense team didn't want the video released and argued it would taint a potential jury pool and it violated her Constitutional rights. Media, including the Orlando Sentinel, had filed legal papers to persuade the judge to release the video.
Anthony, 23, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie. An Orange County meter reader found the 2-year-old's bones in December in woods a few blocks from the east Orange County home the girl shared with Anthony and her grandparents.
Hours after the discovery, jail officials moved Anthony from her cell and to the medical facility where a TV was showing reports of the find.
The video showed her reaction while watching the TV report. At that point, investigators had not confirmed the remains were Caylee but everyone believed it was the child.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-news-061709,0,7936902.story
This is one nail in the coffin. It was not confirmed that this was Caylee and she goes off the deep end when other "findings" had not bothered her a bit.
I do agree with the ruling though. The state does not need to give reasons for appeals. It will come out in the trial you can bet on that.
Loretta is the one who came up with the info on the one hour long food show which did not appear to exist.
Thanks to Loretta, then!! For some reason I tho't it was someone local who had checked into it.
In the other info, the hour long food show was 12am to 1am. Wonder if that is in fact the show George was talking about? Perhaps Casey and Caylee were seen by George @ 10 to 1 in the morning and he changes it to afternoon? Of course, making up the little tidbit about Casey's going to work, unless they are used to her going to work @ that time of night, with Caylee in tow. Altho I would think George and Cindy would put their foot down about dragging the baby out that time of night. Which is why I think she was leaving because of a tiff, however loud and physical, between Cindy and Casey. I still think he was starting to say news show, tho, and I have always tho't it was the night of the 15th after he got off work that they left.
Regardless of when the time was that they left, the 15th or the 16th, wonder if anyone was up when George got home, and if he was let in on the controversy that allegedly took place that evening? Did either Cindy or Casey give him an earful of the events of the "pleasant" evening?
http://law.justia.com/florida/codes/TitleXLVI/ch0837.html
i was going to copy and paste this info but it is really long, but it appears to be a complete chapter from florida penal code, chapter 837 on perjury, have not found the penalties yet but im sure that they are hefty, especially if the person perjuring themselves is doing so during a MURDER trial....JMO
So, the punishments are listed under the 775 stuff. Wonder what the statute of limitations are? Of course, I don't think we need to worry about them getting away with perjury, because if they get on the stand, by the time the trial comes around, I'm betting they have new and improved versions of whatever they would be testifying about. I can't imagine them coming up w/the truth by then, unless they come to see the light and just decide, the truth is the best way to go, that their daughter has to face the music for killing their granddaughter.
Come on!!!! They will have how many years before the trial actually starts? Miracles do happen, ya know!!!! ;)
ETA-guess I need to go back and read more carefully about the statute of limitations, lol.
Thanks for the link.
deacon
06-17-2009, 01:16 PM
So, the punishments are listed under the 775 stuff. Wonder what the statute of limitations are? Of course, I don't think we need to worry about them getting away with perjury, because if they get on the stand, by the time the trial comes around, I'm betting they have new and improved versions of whatever they would be testifying about. I can't imagine them coming up w/the truth by then, unless they come to see the light and just decide, the truth is the best way to go, that their daughter has to face the music for killing their granddaughter.
Come on!!!! They will have how many years before the trial actually starts? Miracles do happen, ya know!!!! ;)
ETA-guess I need to go back and read more carefully about the statute of limitations, lol.
Thanks for the link.
I am sure that the prosecuter will remind them before they start what the consequences of not telling the truth on the stand are. I would almost be willing to bet they (pro) know what the truth is and are just not saying. You know "give them enough rope and they will hang themselves."
I looked that up way back when (hard to believe it's been almost a year!) and there was no hour-long show at noon on FN that I could find, but I honestly don't remember the two thirty minute programs that were in that slot. His stumbling around with the specifics and the fact that he described in such detail what Caylee was wearing made me suspicious from the git.
ETA: Found this, but still can't remember what I found to be the two programs. Think one of them was Paula Deen:
Whoa!!! I didn't look @ this info as closely as I tho't. I knew one of the 1/2 hour noon programs was unwrapped, but:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/prog...08_EST,00.html
June 16, 2008 - 12:00 a.m. - 1:00 a.m. - Iron Chef America
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/prog...08_EST,00.html
June 16, 2008 - 12:00 p.m. - 12:30 p.m. - Unwrapped
June 16, 2008 - 12:30 p.m. - 1:00 p.m. - Unwrapped
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Looks like, on June 16, 2008, BOTH half hour programs were unwrapped, which, technically I guess, could be considered an hour long program. :o
Still, tho, one would think that one would remember the name of a "favorite" cooking show. "Unwrapped" does NOT start with the sound of "ne---" and doesn't seem to be a word that one would need to stumble over.
I don't know how I missed that last night about both of the noon shows being the same, except that I did keep nodding off, just wasn't reading carefully.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 02:22 PM
Whoa!!! I didn't look @ this info as closely as I tho't. I knew one of the 1/2 hour noon programs was unwrapped, but:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/prog...08_EST,00.html
June 16, 2008 - 12:00 a.m. - 1:00 a.m. - Iron Chef America
http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/prog...08_EST,00.html
June 16, 2008 - 12:00 p.m. - 12:30 p.m. - Unwrapped
June 16, 2008 - 12:30 p.m. - 1:00 p.m. - Unwrapped
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Looks like, on June 16, 2008, BOTH half hour programs were unwrapped, which, technically I guess, could be considered an hour long program. :o
Still, tho, one would think that one would remember the name of a "favorite" cooking show. "Unwrapped" does NOT start with the sound of "ne---" and doesn't seem to be a word that one would need to stumble over.
I don't know how I missed that last night about both of the noon shows being the same, except that I did keep nodding off, just wasn't reading carefully.
I think this is the link that I used before, but it's broken too: http://www.allyourtv.com/schedules.html
You're right, two thirty minute programs would add up to an hour of TV, but at this point I have to disagree with George that Unwrapped is a cooking show. Maybe he's just lying. I mean, ya think?
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 02:32 PM
And he put her in the car? I thought he was sitting on the couch watching his cooking show when they walked out the door?
Okay, I've got it now. There was no fight the night of the 15th. Just a regular quiet evening at home. In the morning, George followed his usual routine of giving Caylee breakfast. Just a normal family morning. He even took her out and put her in the car. Then Casey dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass Apts. to be babysa by Zanaida or zanny and her sister met her in Blanchard park, knocked her down and took Caylee. Okay, I get the Anthony Time Line perfectly. Now, tell us what really happened!
deacon
06-17-2009, 02:36 PM
Okay, I've got it now. There was no fight the night of the 15th. Just a regular quiet evening at home. In the morning, George followed his usual routine of giving Caylee breakfast. Just a normal family morning. He even took her out and put her in the car. Then Casey dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass Apts. to be babysa by Zanaida or zanny and her sister met her in Blanchard park, knocked her down and took Caylee. Okay, I get the Anthony Time Line perfectly. Now, tell us what really happened!
I think everyone know what happened. The how it happened is the question. Tape over mouth and nose or chloroform. Either way would get the same results just one would take longer and would be worse.
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 02:37 PM
Wanna bet? I have a powered sugar doughnut that says they are just that ignorant.
Deacon,
Could I just get a powdered sugar doughnut without betting? They are my favorite and I hate loosing. LOL
deacon
06-17-2009, 02:53 PM
Deacon,
Could I just get a powdered sugar doughnut without betting? They are my favorite and I hate loosing. LOL
Dang. I just ate the last one. No one would bet me so........*burp* They were good too.:beer:
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 02:58 PM
until this case came out i had a lot more faith in human intelligence, some of this crap is just ridiculous, they should change their names and move to another country and just start over, all they are doing is screwing crap up worse than their daughter ever could have hoped to do on her own
One thing about Casey: when Baez told her to shut up and not say anything to anyone, she did it. It's too bad G & C don't have that much chance. She might have had some small chance of getting off. They have pretty much sealed her fate. They should both go to jail for perjury, but that probably won't happen.
Maybe this IS their way of making sure Casey pays for what she did to Caylee. They are that messed up.
JLette
06-17-2009, 03:01 PM
I wonder how whacked her schedule was, with all the partying and sleeping on couches...I mean, it's possible, but I sure doubt it. Daylight is our trigger, no matter what. :D But it was cloudy yesterday, and mine slept until 9 am. I could not believe my luck! yippee!
I think I like this Global Cooling.
wow lucky you LOL i have been waking up no later than 7:30 for about a year, before that it was about 8 which was (i realize this now) very nice
it just seems to me that grampa george over there just don't want to let that go, and i think he is mostly trying to convince HIMSELF that its the truth more than the media or LE. i still believe that he is just a sad broken man who is in over his head
JLette
06-17-2009, 03:06 PM
So, the punishments are listed under the 775 stuff. Wonder what the statute of limitations are? Of course, I don't think we need to worry about them getting away with perjury, because if they get on the stand, by the time the trial comes around, I'm betting they have new and improved versions of whatever they would be testifying about. I can't imagine them coming up w/the truth by then, unless they come to see the light and just decide, the truth is the best way to go, that their daughter has to face the music for killing their granddaughter.
Come on!!!! They will have how many years before the trial actually starts? Miracles do happen, ya know!!!! ;)
ETA-guess I need to go back and read more carefully about the statute of limitations, lol.
Thanks for the link.
at this point i think that no matter how long it takes for the trial they WILL be charged with perjury because just like you said they will have BRAND NEW stories to tell!! these people can not just stick with one lie at a time, it seems like they just have to have 14 possible stories to tell to different people, maybe they think if they keep playin this game then everyone will just be too damned confused by the time it gets to gameday to bother with them, perhaps its all a ploy to keep themselves off the stand when it counts :shrug:
at this point i think that no matter how long it takes for the trial they WILL be charged with perjury because just like you said they will have BRAND NEW stories to tell!! these people can not just stick with one lie at a time, it seems like they just have to have 14 possible stories to tell to different people, maybe they think if they keep playin this game then everyone will just be too damned confused by the time it gets to gameday to bother with them, perhaps its all a ploy to keep themselves off the stand when it counts :shrug:
Bolding mine:
That's one of the scenarios I have been thinking. Neither side is going to want them on the stand, they have too many versions of every little thing. Heaven only knows WHAT version either would use for whatever the question is, or if they would come up with a new version.
deacon
06-17-2009, 03:11 PM
at this point i think that no matter how long it takes for the trial they WILL be charged with perjury because just like you said they will have BRAND NEW stories to tell!! these people can not just stick with one lie at a time, it seems like they just have to have 14 possible stories to tell to different people, maybe they think if they keep playin this game then everyone will just be too damned confused by the time it gets to gameday to bother with them, perhaps its all a ploy to keep themselves off the stand when it counts :shrug:
Good luck to them on that one. Either side can call them and I am guessing one side (pro) will. They will show that they are hostile witnesses and that will not be a nice experience for either of them.
BeastofBears
06-17-2009, 03:13 PM
wow lucky you LOL i have been waking up no later than 7:30 for about a year, before that it was about 8 which was (i realize this now) very nice
it just seems to me that grampa george over there just don't want to let that go, and i think he is mostly trying to convince HIMSELF that its the truth more than the media or LE. i still believe that he is just a sad broken man who is in over his head
Yeah, imo, they are both freaking out because of the situation, publicly rather than privately. I suspect that is why LE has been apparently easy on them is they think that, too. That won't last into the trial, though, imo.
deacon
06-17-2009, 03:25 PM
Deacon,
Could I just get a powdered sugar doughnut without betting? They are my favorite and I hate loosing. LOL
http://com/.../Cinnamon-Doughnuts-163434.jpg
I tried. I think I found a couple.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 03:44 PM
Good luck to them on that one. Either side can call them and I am guessing one side (pro) will. They will show that they are hostile witnesses and that will not be a nice experience for either of them.
I'm sure there are plenty who think otherwise, but G&C's lies point to Casey's guilt in my eyes, and possibly to their own collusion. Otherwise they would feel very secure in the truth, even if that means saying they don't know the answer to something. But God forbid that Cindy not be an expert on every little thing. The State gets first crack at them and I think they'll call them.
JLette
06-17-2009, 03:47 PM
I'm sure there are plenty who think otherwise, but G&C's lies point to Casey's guilt in my eyes, and possibly to their own collusion. Otherwise they would feel very secure in the truth, even if that means saying they don't know the answer to something. But God forbid that Cindy not be an expert on every little thing. The State gets first crack at them and I think they'll call them.
yea what you said :biggrin: i think that Cyndi has to be right about ALL in the universe and if George does not back her up then the world falls to pieces. this situation has probably magnified her previous issues with this and now she is a complete maniac with her own little lap dog to back her up in everything
deacon
06-17-2009, 03:59 PM
I'm sure there are plenty who think otherwise, but G&C's lies point to Casey's guilt in my eyes, and possibly to their own collusion. Otherwise they would feel very secure in the truth, even if that means saying they don't know the answer to something. But God forbid that Cindy not be an expert on every little thing. The State gets first crack at them and I think they'll call them.
And then she can make herself an assonthething.:hat:
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 04:03 PM
Oh Christ, anyone catch Queenie on the Early Show? Same old blather, same old song and dance, must be the questions were once again PRE-APPROVED by her and as much as I despise Ron Cummings, I have to give him a tad of credit for not wanting the A's to be involved in his daughter's plight and as usual Cindy runs her mouth and says that THEY WERE THE ONES WHO TOLD THE MEDIA ABOUT HALEIGH? Did I miss something here? That morning I got up like I always do about 8 a.m. and turned on HLN and heard that a 5 year old girl was missing from Satsuma FL and possibly had been abducted and then awhile later, they played the 911 tape and then all day with updates and then saw the family being interviewed and not once did I hear that these morons were sending the media their way, not one word did I hear about the A's and their involvement in contacting the media????
Damm, this woman does not know how to shut the f*ck up and I thought what she said about Ron was despicable, as far as we know, he had no involvement and while I point the finger at Misti, I don't think he thinks she did it just like these assholes think CA is as pure as snow on a VT mountaintop and yet, because Ron, and he has that right, does not want to have anything to do with them, now puts him down and insists they still would want to help him like they want to help other parents? Yeah, All Queenie wants is the photo ops, she don't give a sheep's ass if my kid was missing tonight, unless she can come up here to Hope MI and have our local and the networks out in my front lawn! Now Lap Dog was talking a tad today and not really agreeing with her,. he probably paid for it later though huh?
I almost did not watch this as I try not to unless there is something I really want to hear about because it is the same old s*it different day with Queenie at the helm and she true to form milked it for all it was worth and the autopsy results are possibly gonna be released despite the fact she does not want to go public and FL dictates thank God, that info like this CAN be released despite objections, but it will be a moot point as if they do win the battle, it will still be brought forth during the trial. Now I watched bits and pieces of OJ's trial and certainly Pam Smart's as we all did not see any ABC's shows as we only had one ABC in that area of NH at that time and I did not see my soap, but the trial was more important and I taped it because I worked weird hours back then. Now I watched Smth's and Couey's and that was hard on me, to hear the horror, the pain that those beautiful girls went through at the hands of those scumbags and what sucks, is they are still BREATHING, sucking up tax dollars till finally their appeals will exhaust, years yet.
I plan on watching every second of this trial, I predict that this will be the 21st century's trial of the century and anyone wanna guess how long it will last? OJ's lasted damm near 9 months and I hope this one does not drag on like his and do you all think the jury will be sequestered? I think so, but hopefully, people will not be made to be away from their lives too long as I think the jury in OJ's trial was sick of being caged up 24/7 and that is why when they went to deliberate, they wanted to go home that day!!! And this trial will be a doozy, the networks will wet themselves the day the verdict comes down trying to get the story out! As for Bozo, I think he took this case hoping to polish his resume and he is not a good attorney and I think he is giving false hope to CA, she really thinks he is gonna get her a walk down the beach instead of the green mile and possibly might find his ass disbarred when it is all over and done. A question just got posed on NG. Do you think that CA will take the stand??? And as I said with glee, I admit it, I can't wait to see how C&G conduct themselves on the stand seeing as they won't have any control over the questions the DA puts forth, if the depos are any indication, they will really look like assholes if they pull that crap seeing as it is the fight for their daughter's life.
From what I understood on NG, they are saying it is very likely Casey will take the stand. They ae not that stupid, are they. The prosecution would destroy her on cross examination. There is no way she can explain away the lies she's told.
Speaking of which, Sean Krause said in his statement that it was rumored that Casey worked for Universal Entertainment, which is an escort service. Don't know if it is true or not. But it did remind me of the fact thereis always a bit of truth in all Casey's statements. She may have worked for Universal Entertainment and people automatically thought Universal Studios. Any comments?
What is the significance of Joy Wray's statement and pictures? They said she had been Baker Acted 5 times. Why bring that up? I can't make the connection.
Can anyone provide a link to Michelle Murphy's actual testimony? I have read the articles stating what she said but can't locate the actual article. TIA
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 04:14 PM
Lots of people were paid lots of schoolies to say what they said under oath. Dr Wee did a bad. :no: God got him in the career, as karma does well with liars and thieves. Those who got OJ off were shameless. As the A's are shameless. I dread the trial because I dread watching the liar poop herslef in public and her wicked mother melt into the floor.
Thanks, Nawny, best laugh I've had in a while. And I needed one.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 04:25 PM
From what I understood on NG, they are saying it is very likely Casey will take the stand. They ae not that stupid, are they. The prosecution would destroy her on cross examination. There is no way she can explain away the lies she's told.
Speaking of which, Sean Krause said in his statement that it was rumored that Casey worked for Universal Entertainment, which is an escort service. Don't know if it is true or not. But it did remind me of the fact thereis always a bit of truth in all Casey's statements. She may have worked for Universal Entertainment and people automatically thought Universal Studios. Any comments?
What is the significance of Joy Wray's statement and pictures? They said she had been Baker Acted 5 times. Why bring that up? I can't make the connection.
Can anyone provide a link to Michelle Murphy's actual testimony? I have read the articles stating what she said but can't locate the actual article. TIA
Thanks for jogging my memory about the Casey on the witness stand bombshell last night:
...To Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer, I want to ask you, Brad Conway also commented on Casey taking the stand? Yes?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, he did comment on that saying that based on Jose Baez`s assertions he would not be surprised if Casey Anthony did take the stand in her own defense. ..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html
Not sure what to think of Joy's information. She seems honest, but off. Haven't seen the actual pix (I think it's against TES' TOS for searchers to take photos) and haven't seen LE's response to her interview. I'm sure that G&C would refute anything that she reported about their conversations. The Baker Act may have been mentioned to qualify Wray's reliability.
MM transcript:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19736296/detail.html
BeastofBears
06-17-2009, 04:45 PM
I'm sure there are plenty who think otherwise, but G&C's lies point to Casey's guilt in my eyes, and possibly to their own collusion. Otherwise they would feel very secure in the truth, even if that means saying they don't know the answer to something. But God forbid that Cindy not be an expert on every little thing. The State gets first crack at them and I think they'll call them.
But, hey, she does her homework!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case , Page 132:19, so that's not an imo, lol!
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 04:55 PM
But, hey, she does her homework!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case , Page 132:19, so that's not an imo, lol!
LMFAO And Morgan and Mitnik didn't do theirs. Right, Cindy. That's why you and Georgie Porgie kept threatening to walk out.
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 04:56 PM
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I tried. I think I found a couple.
Yum~ Yum! Smack! Smack! Thanks!
BeastofBears
06-17-2009, 05:01 PM
From what I understood on NG, they are saying it is very likely Casey will take the stand. They ae not that stupid, are they. The prosecution would destroy her on cross examination. There is no way she can explain away the lies she's told.
Speaking of which, Sean Krause said in his statement that it was rumored that Casey worked for Universal Entertainment, which is an escort service. Don't know if it is true or not. But it did remind me of the fact thereis always a bit of truth in all Casey's statements. She may have worked for Universal Entertainment and people automatically thought Universal Studios. Any comments?
What is the significance of Joy Wray's statement and pictures? They said she had been Baker Acted 5 times. Why bring that up? I can't make the connection.
Can anyone provide a link to Michelle Murphy's actual testimony? I have read the articles stating what she said but can't locate the actual article. TIA
imo, I think Casey will insist on it. This is a girl who did not admit to not working at Universal until she ran out of hallway. She has the cojones to think she could pull it off on the stand, imo.
As for the Universal question...I guess he had said that the entertainment company was based out of Sawgrass. If true, that would be huge, but I have not been able to find proof of that. If anyone else has seen the evidence of that, I would love to see it.
As for the Joy (and Krause) statement, I just came away with a sense of how people have insinuated themselves into the Anthonies and vice versa. imo, they had few friends before this happened, and the people who have come into their lives since are no friends to them. When they act like everyone is their enemy, you can see where they might be that way, since it seems true. I mean, its not paranoia if they are really out to get you?
moo, moo, moo...
From what I understood on NG, they are saying it is very likely Casey will take the stand. They ae not that stupid, are they. The prosecution would destroy her on cross examination. There is no way she can explain away the lies she's told.
Speaking of which, Sean Krause said in his statement that it was rumored that Casey worked for Universal Entertainment, which is an escort service. Don't know if it is true or not. But it did remind me of the fact thereis always a bit of truth in all Casey's statements. She may have worked for Universal Entertainment and people automatically thought Universal Studios. Any comments?
What is the significance of Joy Wray's statement and pictures? They said she had been Baker Acted 5 times. Why bring that up? I can't make the connection.
Can anyone provide a link to Michelle Murphy's actual testimony? I have read the articles stating what she said but can't locate the actual article. TIA
Bolding mine:
I can't begin to count the times that, on these types of shows, the host and/or various th's declare that the defense will HAVE to put the defendant on the stand. Rarely happens. Don't they ever read up on other cases, other trials and see that the defendants, @ least in many of the cases they have discussed over the years, DO NOT get on the stand. And, when they DO, it is almost always against the advice of the lawyer!!!! And, the defendant DOES have the option of not following the lawyer's advice, whether it is to testify against advice, or refuse to get on the stand against advice.
You'd think they would give it a rest. Most defendants (not all) are not going to get on the stand. Cross-examination gets too risky, if indeed the defendant is guilty. Maybe he will be found guilty, maybe of a lesser charge, or maybe found not guilty, standing on the testimony of everyone except the defendant. And, there is that sweet little instruction that the jury cannot consider his not testifying in deciding his fate.
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 06:37 PM
Thanks for jogging my memory about the Casey on the witness stand bombshell last night:
...To Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer, I want to ask you, Brad Conway also commented on Casey taking the stand? Yes?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, he did comment on that saying that based on Jose Baez`s assertions he would not be surprised if Casey Anthony did take the stand in her own defense. ..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html
Not sure what to think of Joy's information. She seems honest, but off. Haven't seen the actual pix (I think it's against TES' TOS for searchers to take photos) and haven't seen LE's response to her interview. I'm sure that G&C would refute anything that she reported about their conversations. The Baker Act may have been mentioned to qualify Wray's reliability.
MM transcript:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19736296/detail.html
Thanks for all the info. Melissa's statement was interesting. I had not heard about a second pregnacy. Kaycie seems rather fixated on gettng married, doesn't she? Maybe that's one reason she got rid of Caylee asTony didn't want kids.
deacon
06-17-2009, 06:47 PM
MM transcript:
[url]http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19736296/detail.html
I read this one and part of it made me say hmmmm and the other part just made me sick.
The hmmm part, it seems she is saying it was daddyo that casey argued with all the time and not the queen b. Interesting because of the dynamics of this weird group. I wonder if daddyo just has anger management problems as demonstrated on his front lawn or if the queen b just drives him to that. You see, arguments are emotional things. If one argues with someone, they tend to lose control of their emotions. Now, it is normal to discuss things with family but when we argue we get no where. The only thing an argument will get you is mad.
Now to the sickening part. This young lady spoke about Caylee's reaction when ever casey would leave the room. Now, sometimes that means that the child has been left alone or somewhere they didn't want to be before and are afraid that it will happen again. This whole process leads me to believe that mommy b had left her somewhere alone before and Caylee was afraid she would do it again. It also leads me to believe that the tape was to make sure no one heard her crying. I'll stop now before I say something I don't want to. Once before I posted this and I will again, there are thousands of families that would have taken this little girl and loved her as their own. If they could not find anyone else my family would have taken her before we let her die like this.:cuss:
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 07:05 PM
I read this one and part of it made me say hmmmm and the other part just made me sick.
The hmmm part, it seems she is saying it was daddyo that casey argued with all the time and not the queen b. Interesting because of the dynamics of this weird group. I wonder if daddyo just has anger management problems as demonstrated on his front lawn or if the queen b just drives him to that. You see, arguments are emotional things. If one argues with someone, they tend to lose control of their emotions. Now, it is normal to discuss things with family but when we argue we get no where. The only thing an argument will get you is mad.
Now to the sickening part. This young lady spoke about Caylee's reaction when ever casey would leave the room. Now, sometimes that means that the child has been left alone or somewhere they didn't want to be before and are afraid that it will happen again. This whole process leads me to believe that mommy b had left her somewhere alone before and Caylee was afraid she would do it again. It also leads me to believe that the tape was to make sure no one heard her crying. I'll stop now before I say something I don't want to. Once before I posted this and I will again, there are thousands of families that would have taken this little girl and loved her as their own. If they could not find anyone else my family would have taken her before we let her die like this.:cuss:
deacon, I shudder to think of the tenor of the "home" where Caylee was raised. Something tells me there were arguments all the livelong day.
And glad that you mentioned Caylee's "separation anxiety". It would be easy to mistake this behavior as proof out how close the mother daughter relationship was between Casey and Caylee, but an abused child will often clamor to be in the company of and put up a rumpus to seek the attention and approval of her abuser.
deacon
06-17-2009, 07:16 PM
deacon, I shudder to think of the tenor of the "home" where Caylee was raised. Something tells me there were arguments all the livelong day.
And glad that you mentioned Caylee's "separation anxiety". It would be easy to mistake this behavior as proof out how close the mother daughter relationship was between Casey and Caylee, but an abused child will often clamor to be in the company of and put up a rumpus to seek the attention and approval of her abuser.
Specially if they have been or think they have been abandoned at some time.:mad:
Justice Denied?
06-17-2009, 07:31 PM
imo, I think Casey will insist on it. This is a girl who did not admit to not working at Universal until she ran out of hallway. She has the cojones to think she could pull it off on the stand, imo.
As for the Universal question...I guess he had said that the entertainment company was based out of Sawgrass. If true, that would be huge, but I have not been able to find proof of that. If anyone else has seen the evidence of that, I would love to see it.
As for the Joy (and Krause) statement, I just came away with a sense of how people have insinuated themselves into the Anthonies and vice versa. imo, they had few friends before this happened, and the people who have come into their lives since are no friends to them. When they act like everyone is their enemy, you can see where they might be that way, since it seems true. I mean, its not paranoia if they are really out to get you?
moo, moo, moo...
Surely, Casey will not be that stupid. How could she possibly explain that the apartment where she dropped Caylee was vacant, that she didn't work at Universal Studios, why she never reported Caylee missing, why her car smelled like decomposition, etc? Of course, it may be that Baez will have to put her on the stand to tell "the other half of the story".
deacon
06-17-2009, 07:47 PM
Surely, Casey will not be that stupid. How could she possibly explain that the apartment where she dropped Caylee was vacant, that she didn't work at Universal Studios, why she never reported Caylee missing, why her car smelled like decomposition, etc? Of course, it may be that Baez will have to put her on the stand to tell "the other half of the story".
I wouldn't bet on it.:eek:
JLette
06-17-2009, 07:51 PM
so i googled universal entertainment and found a few links including one for a site that appears to cater to DJ's and agents.
so then i googled "orlando escort universal adult entertainment" and several links for different agencies came up, and one of the things that popped up was the hard rock hotel.....iirc there was something about some "event" at the hard rock hotel at some point either last may or june where casey was supposedly working all night, maybe she wasn't techincally lying, if she was working for some escort service.........there was also this one http://www.rawdoggirls.com/
where they talk about how they do private parties and any other event you can imagine along with outcalls as well.....this actually is not that far fetched at all. and consider this if you will.....perhaps one of these agencies was employing casey, and perhaps they offered "child care" of a sort, and perhaps it was a "child care" that was less than desirable, and maybe that would explain caylee never wanting to let casey out of her sight, AND perhaps on the 16th casey WAS going to work and when she got there she left caylee with the "child care" people and when her shift was over she went to pick her up and discovered something horrible had happened (insert theory here) and she took the child or the body (again insert theory here) and put her in the trunk until she could think of something to do with her later. that would also possibly explain how casey always had money BEFORE and then had to resort to stealing even more often than usual AFTER....because maybe she was avoiding going back to that place or something.................just some hairbrained ideas but something to ponder i think....JMO
ALSO there is statements on these sites about "adult party planners" and casey just loved telling people she was an event planner for universal even though there is no way she was one!
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 07:55 PM
so i googled universal entertainment and found a few links including one for a site that appears to cater to DJ's and agents.
so then i googled "orlando escort universal adult entertainment" and several links for different agencies came up, and one of the things that popped up was the hard rock hotel.....iirc there was something about some "event" at the hard rock hotel at some point either last may or june where casey was supposedly working all night, maybe she wasn't techincally lying, if she was working for some escort service.........there was also this one http://www.rawdoggirls.com/
where they talk about how they do private parties and any other event you can imagine along with outcalls as well.....this actually is not that far fetched at all. and consider this if you will.....perhaps one of these agencies was employing casey, and perhaps they offered "child care" of a sort, and perhaps it was a "child care" that was less than desirable, and maybe that would explain caylee never wanting to let casey out of her sight, AND perhaps on the 16th casey WAS going to work and when she got there she left caylee with the "child care" people and when her shift was over she went to pick her up and discovered something horrible had happened (insert theory here) and she took the child or the body (again insert theory here) and put her in the trunk until she could think of something to do with her later. that would also possibly explain how casey always had money BEFORE and then had to resort to stealing even more often than usual AFTER....because maybe she was avoiding going back to that place or something.................just some hairbrained ideas but something to ponder i think....JMO
Nothing. I repeat nothing can be considered any more harebrained than what Baez and the miscreANTs have put forth to date.
OT: Didn't catch the entire segment, but the THs on Prime News made it sound like Judge Strickland found the video of Casey in sickbay to be more prejudicial than probative and the defense attorney speaking with Mike Galanos thinks for that reason it may not be introduced at trial. (If I understood correctly.)
deacon
06-17-2009, 08:11 PM
Nothing. I repeat nothing can be considered any more harebrained than what Baez and the miscreANTs have put forth to date.
OT: Didn't catch the entire segment, but the THs on Prime News made it sound like Judge Strickland found the video of Casey in sickbay to be more prejudicial than probative and the defense attorney speaking with Mike Galanos thinks for that reason it may not be introduced at trial. (If I understood correctly.)
The answer to the reason. Defense attornies are very good at grasping for straws. I think they take those shows as advertisements and try to their "best foot foward" in a sense. You know, let crooks know they can come up with an excuse for anything
BeastofBears
06-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Surely, Casey will not be that stupid. How could she possibly explain that the apartment where she dropped Caylee was vacant, that she didn't work at Universal Studios, why she never reported Caylee missing, why her car smelled like decomposition, etc? Of course, it may be that Baez will have to put her on the stand to tell "the other half of the story".
imo, she is sitting in that cell, day after day, knitted the tale of a lifetime. Hey, what else does she have to do? I truly believe she intends to go on the stand. Whether she can be stopped by Baez, I do not know. moo.
eatcupcakes
06-17-2009, 08:40 PM
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Thanks, Nawny, best laugh I've had in a while. And I needed one.
She'll melt into the floor saying "What a world, what a world" I can just see it, all that will be left is George holding her broom.
JLette
06-17-2009, 08:44 PM
She'll melt into the floor saying "What a world, what a world" I can just see it, all that will be left is George holding her broom.
hehehe you think he will start up a chorus line of "ding dong the witch is dead!"? :biggrin:
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 10:27 PM
The answer to the reason. Defense attornies are very good at grasping for straws. I think they take those shows as advertisements and try to their "best foot foward" in a sense. You know, let crooks know they can come up with an excuse for anything
Don't disagree with you at all about the media attorneys, but for the first time ever tonight, I found myself disagreeing somewhat with Bill Schaeffer. I think it's possible that Judge Strickland might actually suppress the video.
I know. Shocking that I would go astray of that bald, suspender wearing, cufflink adorned hottie.
lorettalockhorn
06-17-2009, 10:30 PM
hehehe you think he will start up a chorus line of "ding dong the witch is dead!"? :biggrin:
She's Melting!!
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JLette
06-17-2009, 10:36 PM
She's Melting!!
http://i36.tinypic.com/2ir5637.jpg
:biggrin::D:biggrin:
Nawny
06-17-2009, 11:12 PM
ITA Nawny!! the last time i got to sleep till 10 was when my son was about 8 months old, and that was only half sleep as he was in his crib next to me cooing and whatnot, so i wasn't actually SLEEPING!!!! and another thing, my son has been up as late as 12:30 before when sick, or when he just could not sleep and he STILL gets up at 7 every morning, no matter when he fell asleep the night before, its like he is not capable of sleeping past his internal alarm. so unless caylee was habitually staying up most of the night then why was she such a late sleeper?
I understand completely J. I've been around babies all of my life and I seldom saw one sleep till 10am. Liar probably kept Caylee in her room and duct taped her mouth so liar could sleep late. IMO
lighthousedazy
06-18-2009, 01:18 AM
I understand completely J. I've been around babies all of my life and I seldom saw one sleep till 10am. Liar probably kept Caylee in her room and duct taped her mouth so liar could sleep late. IMOI agree Nawny. With 3 kids and 3 grandkids, babys and toddlers usually don't sleep past 8 am. Not the case when they get to be teens. In my 58 years and with everyone gone from the house, I still don't sleep till 10 am that often. jmo but the little ones are early to rise.
BeastofBears
06-18-2009, 02:15 AM
Don't disagree with you at all about the media attorneys, but for the first time ever tonight, I found myself disagreeing somewhat with Bill Schaeffer. I think it's possible that Judge Strickland might actually suppress the video.
I know. Shocking that I would go astray of that bald, suspender wearing, cufflink adorned hottie.
Hearing the depositions of the jail guards regarding this, my gut was it will never see the light of day...it DID feel to me like she was brought there to tape her reaction, imo. Now I would love to see it, but if Strickland even sniffs that this is what happened, I think he will vote no.
(clearly opinion!)
lorettalockhorn
06-18-2009, 02:40 AM
BoB, I'm resolved to never seeing it, and that's okay. It's inflammatory according to Strickland, which means that it either clearly shows consciousness of guilt or isn't probative, or His Honor simply doesn't want to risk the case at appeal. I don't fault LE for recording the incident because the investigation doesn't simply stop once an arrest is made.
But prisoners need to realize that the is never a presumption of privacy in jail (with the exception of attorney/client privilege or doctor/patient privilege).
deacon
06-18-2009, 05:26 AM
BoB, I'm resolved to never seeing it, and that's okay. It's inflammatory according to Strickland, which means that it either clearly shows consciousness of guilt or isn't probative, or His Honor simply doesn't want to risk the case at appeal. I don't fault LE for recording the incident because the investigation doesn't simply stop once an arrest is made.
But prisoners need to realize that the is never a presumption of privacy in jail (with the exception of attorney/client privilege or doctor/patient privilege).
Well, I still think it will make the trial. You do not have privacy in jail and that is what I think dummie will argue. I think it leads to prove guilt and will be allowed. That would be like saying you have a video of the crime but the judge will not allow it because it is inflammatory
Nawny
06-18-2009, 09:33 AM
And then she can make herself an assonthething.:hat:
LOL!! That is going to be some kinda drama! She's a damn science project alright. He entire rein has been a soap opera.
Nawny
06-18-2009, 09:36 AM
But, hey, she does her homework!
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5345644/Casey-Anthony-Cindy-Anthony-deposition-in-the-ZFG-civil-case , Page 132:19, so that's not an imo, lol!
OMG! I can't take it! This is going to be a flash of lightening at that trial. I hope she knows she'll be standing in water leaning against a steel post.
Nawny
06-18-2009, 09:46 AM
Thanks for jogging my memory about the Casey on the witness stand bombshell last night:
...To Natisha Lance, NANCY GRACE producer, I want to ask you, Brad Conway also commented on Casey taking the stand? Yes?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, he did comment on that saying that based on Jose Baez`s assertions he would not be surprised if Casey Anthony did take the stand in her own defense. ..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/16/ng.01.html
Not sure what to think of Joy's information. She seems honest, but off. Haven't seen the actual pix (I think it's against TES' TOS for searchers to take photos) and haven't seen LE's response to her interview. I'm sure that G&C would refute anything that she reported about their conversations. The Baker Act may have been mentioned to qualify Wray's reliability.
MM transcript:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19736296/detail.html
Whoa, waitaminute! This Conway guy is talking out of school, don't you think? He did some harm to the defense IMO. But I'm nobody.. I just get the feeling he should keep it down. He's sort of revealing the defense's strategy. No? Another goat chewin on this tin can. Maybe he had a bad day with the Stardust twins and wants to help them crucify the liar. Where's that armchair?
Nawny
06-18-2009, 09:58 AM
deacon, I shudder to think of the tenor of the "home" where Caylee was raised. Something tells me there were arguments all the livelong day.
And glad that you mentioned Caylee's "separation anxiety". It would be easy to mistake this behavior as proof out how close the mother daughter relationship was between Casey and Caylee, but an abused child will often clamor to be in the company of and put up a rumpus to seek the attention and approval of her abuser.
That poor baby.. I have no idea why they forced her to keep Caylee. She absolutely did not want her and that in itself tells us that what Casey wanted/needed never mattered. They were abusing her with control, and the abused often (not always) abuses.. Tyranny in any form is always on a collision course.
Didn't Mussolini hang from his toes? That basturd was known for visiting schools and admiring children. One woman told me she remembered him touching her head and saying, "lovely child" and she was honored. So they can show all the pictures of the LOVE for Caylee they want to... tyranny, dictaorship and emotional abuse is unphotographable.
Nawny
06-18-2009, 10:03 AM
Nothing. I repeat nothing can be considered any more harebrained than what Baez and the miscreANTs have put forth to date.
OT: Didn't catch the entire segment, but the THs on Prime News made it sound like Judge Strickland found the video of Casey in sickbay to be more prejudicial than probative and the defense attorney speaking with Mike Galanos thinks for that reason it may not be introduced at trial. (If I understood correctly.)
WHOA!! What's wrong with evidence at trial? Is liar a member of luminati? Is she exempt from legal action? What the Eff?? Poor Caylee!!!:rose: More and more I say it. That video must be shown at trial. I can see why is shouldn't be shown now, before a jury is selected.. but it's better than finger prints at trial IMO.
Gatordog
06-18-2009, 10:20 AM
That poor baby.. I have no idea why they forced her to keep Caylee. She absolutely did not want her and that in itself tells us that what Casey wanted/needed never mattered. They were abusing her with control, and the abused often (not always) abuses.. Tyranny in any form is always on a collision course.
Didn't Mussolini hang from his toes? That basturd was known for visiting schools and admiring children. One woman told me she remembered him touching her head and saying, "lovely child" and she was honored. So they can show all the pictures of the LOVE for Caylee they want to... tyranny, dictaorship and emotional abuse is unphotographable.
Maybe she did want her. Don't young girls who feel neglected or lonely get pregant because they want someone to love them? Perhaps, if there was a major fight, Caylee was scared and ran to Cindy instead of her mother. That would have infuriated the Liar and she would no longer feel the love she craved and instead it went to her rival, Cindy. Then, Caylee was of no value. JMO.
Gator
Nawny
06-18-2009, 10:44 AM
Maybe she did want her. Don't young girls who feel neglected or lonely get pregant because they want someone to love them? Perhaps, if there was a major fight, Caylee was scared and ran to Cindy instead of her mother. That would have infuriated the Liar and she would no longer feel the love she craved and instead it went to her rival, Cindy. Then, Caylee was of no value. JMO.
Gator
Absolutely true of some young girls. I remember wanting a baby to love me so I had 4 of them, more love :) I never have nor will I ever regret that decision! My life was always richer for it!
Agree Caylee was of no value to liar and she was fed up with not being loved. She had a short circuit in her brain. Cindy is the kind of person that when she woke up and put her feet on the floor, the devil said, "Oh chit, she's up!"
browneyes106
06-18-2009, 10:53 AM
I just read some of the posts on the rumors of Casey working for an escort service. Also evidence of computer searches for escorts were found on the Anthony's computers. I think there is a strong possiblility Casey did work for escort services. She had to have a way to have money over the past 2 years for gas, clothes and other stuff she had. Unless she was always stealing from friends and relatives which is a strong possibility. It was mentioned in documents that she got Anthonys into credit card debts totatling around $40,000. But I think maybe Casey did do work with escort services at times. But maybe because wasn't overly attractive she wasn't given much work. I know several men who have said that they don't find Casey really attractive. Also several of Casey's ex bf's aren't extremly good looking either. Maybe Casey was called in by a service once a week for job that only paid a couple of hundred dollars. I also think Casey could have a "friends with extra benefits" setup with someone. She could have gotten together with someone for occasional sex and maybe this person gave her money or took her to stores where she picked out clothes and stuff and he paid for it. I think Casey found others way to have money in addition to stealing from people.
JLette
06-18-2009, 11:48 AM
Well, I still think it will make the trial. You do not have privacy in jail and that is what I think dummie will argue. I think it leads to prove guilt and will be allowed. That would be like saying you have a video of the crime but the judge will not allow it because it is inflammatory
ITA Deacon......just because its not going to come out BEFORE trial doesn't mean we will NEVER see it, i think the judge just wisely doesn't want to muddy the jury pool too much more than it already has been, which means that tape must be good
deacon
06-18-2009, 12:30 PM
ITA Deacon......just because its not going to come out BEFORE trial doesn't mean we will NEVER see it, i think the judge just wisely doesn't want to muddy the jury pool too much more than it already has been, which means that tape must be good
Yep. I really can't see how he could keep it out. We will see. I can see him laughing at the privacy thing right now. DA's seem to want to believe that people in jail have privacy rights. Right, that is why the front of their cell is open and the potty is in full view. Privacy.:shrug:
eatcupcakes
06-18-2009, 01:20 PM
I just read some of the posts on the rumors of Casey working for an escort service. Also evidence of computer searches for escorts were found on the Anthony's computers. I think there is a strong possiblility Casey did work for escort services. She had to have a way to have money over the past 2 years for gas, clothes and other stuff she had. Unless she was always stealing from friends and relatives which is a strong possibility. It was mentioned in documents that she got Anthonys into credit card debts totatling around $40,000. But I think maybe Casey did do work with escort services at times. But maybe because wasn't overly attractive she wasn't given much work. I know several men who have said that they don't find Casey really attractive. Also several of Casey's ex bf's aren't extremly good looking either. Maybe Casey was called in by a service once a week for job that only paid a couple of hundred dollars. I also think Casey could have a "friends with extra benefits" setup with someone. She could have gotten together with someone for occasional sex and maybe this person gave her money or took her to stores where she picked out clothes and stuff and he paid for it. I think Casey found others way to have money in addition to stealing from people.
I would not put it past her, as a matter I wouldn't put anything past her. But what does it matter how she got money, the poor little girl she killed is still dead and will remain that way for eternity. If is really a sad story about, a disfuctional family who lie, cheat, steal and kill. There are no winners in this story and no happy ending. The trial will start, finish KC will be found guilty and spend the rest of her life in prison and C&G will not live happily ever after.
jas72
06-18-2009, 01:35 PM
I have little doubt that Casey killed her daughter. What I keep having a problem with, though, is if she killed her on purpose, then why wait so long before inventing the Zanny the Nanny story? Keep in mind, also, that she came up with the story only after her mother made the 9-1-1 call to police about the odor in the car. I have no idea how long she would have been able to keep up the charade that Caylee was with the phantom nanny.
If she had planned on killing her, wouldn't she have also come up with the alibi at that time as well, rather than just going about her life as if everything was OK? Didn't she even state that she had talked to Caylee on the phone during the time she was supposedly with Zanny? We're all fairly certain that that conversation never took place.
I just think that she accidentally killed Caylee and then had to invent the cockamamy story of Zanny the Nanny, otherwise, if it had been planned before time, I think we would have heard about her Zanny story a lot sooner, rather than after the 9-1-1 call her mother made.
deacon
06-18-2009, 01:58 PM
I have little doubt that Casey killed her daughter. What I keep having a problem with, though, is if she killed her on purpose, then why wait so long before inventing the Zanny the Nanny story? Keep in mind, also, that she came up with the story only after her mother made the 9-1-1 call to police about the odor in the car. I have no idea how long she would have been able to keep up the charade that Caylee was with the phantom nanny.
If she had planned on killing her, wouldn't she have also come up with the alibi at that time as well, rather than just going about her life as if everything was OK? Didn't she even state that she had talked to Caylee on the phone during the time she was supposedly with Zanny? We're all fairly certain that that conversation never took place.
I just think that she accidentally killed Caylee and then had to invent the cockamamy story of Zanny the Nanny, otherwise, if it had been planned before time, I think we would have heard about her Zanny story a lot sooner, rather than after the 9-1-1 call her mother made.
I really don't think we are dealing with a mental giant here. Planning also is not one of her strong suites. She is of the "do, think" group. She does something and then thinks about it.
I also think that if it were an accident she would be screaming her head off that it was an accident and wouldn't be sitting in jail. She had used the "nanny" thing with people before. Some people that is, just not all people. It made her feel important that her daughter was cared for by a nanny(that was not) rather than a baby sitter.
Nope, don't think she can use the accident excuse now. Much too late.
deacon
06-18-2009, 02:12 PM
I wonder if LE ever uses satelite imagery in their investigation? If you use google earth you can select picture mode as an option and it will bive you very clear pictures of certain places. Now the version I use is the freebie version and they do not save a bunch of the pictures. However, if they have those on file wouldn't it be interesting to look at the pictures of the memorial site say, the day before the last day Caylee was last seen until say 6 days ofer that date. Hmmmmmmm:cool:
lorettalockhorn
06-18-2009, 03:20 PM
Well, I still think it will make the trial. You do not have privacy in jail and that is what I think dummie will argue. I think it leads to prove guilt and will be allowed. That would be like saying you have a video of the crime but the judge will not allow it because it is inflammatory
Absolutely agree that there is no expectation of privacy outside the attorney/client or doctor/patient privilege inside the jail, but as I understand prejudicial vs probative value of evidence in this instance, the video doesn't prove anything, but could be construed as so inflammatory as to be self-incriminating.
Something I had not heard before last night was that the male officer who gave testimony spoke of the fact that this was a fixed video camera in place 24/7/365, but when he was dubbing the tape he noticed that the lens had been zoomed in to catch the details of (anyone's) reaction(s). To me that indicates whoever's brainstorm this was anticipated that Casey would have a strong or possibly negative reaction. We've heard that she was listening to news of the discovery on her radio, but at what point was this plan put into action?
At any rate, I can see this going either way, but won't be surprised if the video is sealed from the jury simply because it doesn't establish anything. We have already seen plenty of THs state that the interpretation could easily be that Casey isn't the ice queen that she's been portrayed as. (Not that Baez seems to view it that way.)
lorettalockhorn
06-18-2009, 03:22 PM
I wonder if LE ever uses satelite imagery in their investigation? If you use google earth you can select picture mode as an option and it will bive you very clear pictures of certain places. Now the version I use is the freebie version and they do not save a bunch of the pictures. However, if they have those on file wouldn't it be interesting to look at the pictures of the memorial site say, the day before the last day Caylee was last seen until say 6 days ofer that date. Hmmmmmmm:cool:
Great thought! :beer: Seems like there is an episode of Forensic Files where the prosecution went to NASA to obtain satellite photos to prove their case, so it's surely not outside the realm of possibility in a case that appears to be tied up in a neat little package as far as The State's preparation.
Justice Denied?
06-18-2009, 04:57 PM
so i googled universal entertainment and found a few links including one for a site that appears to cater to DJ's and agents.
so then i googled "orlando escort universal adult entertainment" and several links for different agencies came up, and one of the things that popped up was the hard rock hotel.....iirc there was something about some "event" at the hard rock hotel at some point either last may or june where casey was supposedly working all night, maybe she wasn't techincally lying, if she was working for some escort service.........there was also this one http://www.rawdoggirls.com/
where they talk about how they do private parties and any other event you can imagine along with outcalls as well.....this actually is not that far fetched at all. and consider this if you will.....perhaps one of these agencies was employing casey, and perhaps they offered "child care" of a sort, and perhaps it was a "child care" that was less than desirable, and maybe that would explain caylee never wanting to let casey out of her sight, AND perhaps on the 16th casey WAS going to work and when she got there she left caylee with the "child care" people and when her shift was over she went to pick her up and discovered something horrible had happened (insert theory here) and she took the child or the body (again insert theory here) and put her in the trunk until she could think of something to do with her later. that would also possibly explain how casey always had money BEFORE and then had to resort to stealing even more often than usual AFTER....because maybe she was avoiding going back to that place or something.................just some hairbrained ideas but something to ponder i think....JMO
ALSO there is statements on these sites about "adult party planners" and casey just loved telling people she was an event planner for universal even though there is no way she was one!
Maybe she was an "event planner" for Universal Entertainment, picking out the right girls for each party, etc.
lorettalockhorn
06-18-2009, 05:21 PM
Maybe she was an "event planner" for Universal Entertainment, picking out the right girls for each party, etc.
AHA! So that's what the Ugly Groping was all about!
Gatordog
06-18-2009, 06:12 PM
News reports there will be a hearing tomorrow regarding the release of the autopsy results. The liar will not be there.
Gator
SuzDuJour
06-18-2009, 07:25 PM
I have little doubt that Casey killed her daughter. What I keep having a problem with, though, is if she killed her on purpose, then why wait so long before inventing the Zanny the Nanny story? Keep in mind, also, that she came up with the story only after her mother made the 9-1-1 call to police about the odor in the car. I have no idea how long she would have been able to keep up the charade that Caylee was with the phantom nanny.
If she had planned on killing her, wouldn't she have also come up with the alibi at that time as well, rather than just going about her life as if everything was OK? Didn't she even state that she had talked to Caylee on the phone during the time she was supposedly with Zanny? We're all fairly certain that that conversation never took place.
I just think that she accidentally killed Caylee and then had to invent the cockamamy story of Zanny the Nanny, otherwise, if it had been planned before time, I think we would have heard about her Zanny story a lot sooner, rather than after the 9-1-1 call her mother made.
I truly think she thought she could just talk her way out of it - that always worked with her parents... I can't imagine putting duct tape on a dead child's mouth, no need to keep her quiet at that point.
One2Snoop
06-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Judge To Decide On Release Of Caylee's Autopsy
Hearing Scheduled For Friday In Casey Anthony Case
POSTED: 11:03 am EDT June 18, 2009
UPDATED: 5:37 pm EDT June 18, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The next legal battle looming in the case against Casey Anthony is over the release of Caylee Anthony's final autopsy report.
A day after a judge ordered that a controversial jail video be sealed, a hearing on a new motion over the autopsy was scheduled.
Attorney Brad Conway, an attorney for the Anthony family, told WESH 2 the Anthonys are asking to have the autopsy report sealed until trial only to spare Caylee's grandparents the anguish of having to hear all of the details discussed over and over.
According to the motion, the autopsy's release now "will cause great anguish to the Anthony family, still struggling with the loss of their only granddaughter."
The motion also says that the release would cause "endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums, such as the internet." (PDF: Read The Complete Motion)
But Al Tompkins, an instructor at the Poynter Institute, said the Anthonys' argument that the release of information would make them uncomfortable does not justify cutting off the free flow of information in Florida otherwise known as the public's right to know.
The Poynter Institute is a nonprofit think tank for professional journalists.
"We have a very open system and have worked really hard to keep it that way," Tompkins said. "Those in the media are going to have to show some restraint or we put a big target on us."
Without restraint, Tompkins said it will get easier and easier for judges to justify withholding information.
"If we release autopsy photos, the media would go crazy with this," he said. "You could almost hear the judge's reasoning and it's very hard to argue against it."
Medical examiner Jan Garavaglia told WESH 2 last week that her initial findings on the cause of death have not changed in the final report. She ruled that Caylee Anthony died as a result of homicide by unknown means.
Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland is scheduled to hear the motion at 11 a.m. Friday in the Orange County Courthouse. He has issued a temporary stay of the autopsy report's release until that hearing.
Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 when she was reported missing in June 2008. Caylee's remains were found in woods not far from the Anthony family's home in Orange County.
Strickland on Wednesday sealed a jail video that was taken of Casey Anthony in December 2008 when the media reported a child's remains were found near her home. Those remains eventually were identified as Caylee's.
Casey Anthony is in Orange County Jail on no bond awaiting trial, which isn't expected to start until October at the earliest.
http://www.wesh.com/news/19788891/detail.html
BeastofBears
06-18-2009, 09:54 PM
This hearing should actually be very interesting from a legal point of view, for example, on what basis the grandparents think they have standing...that is, if the right questions get asked, which I hope so...and I am so grateful Larry Seidlin is not the presiding judge!
eta: it's not in camera, is it? I mean, please, no!
jas72
06-19-2009, 10:49 AM
I truly think she thought she could just talk her way out of it - that always worked with her parents... I can't imagine putting duct tape on a dead child's mouth, no need to keep her quiet at that point.
I bolded and italicized your last point, which is what would leave me to believe it was an accidental death. If Caylee was dead, there would be no need to place duct tape over her mouth. Perps put duct tape over victims' mouths to keep them quiet. Dead people are already quiet, so no need to place duct tape on them.
JLette
06-19-2009, 11:27 AM
I bolded and italicized your last point, which is what would leave me to believe it was an accidental death. If Caylee was dead, there would be no need to place duct tape over her mouth. Perps put duct tape over victims' mouths to keep them quiet. Dead people are already quiet, so no need to place duct tape on them.
someone had a theory a couple days ago...i cannot find the post but i will paraphrase as much as i can....
perhaps casey was preparing to leave the house to visit one of her boyfriends and caylee was throwing a tantrum about her leaving and casey "lost it" and either smothered her with a pillow to keep her quiet or put the tape over her mouth and accidently covered her nose as well, when she went back to check on caylee she was surprised to see her not moving or breathing and that is when she panicked and stuffed the body in the bags and stashed her in the trunk............
i am sure i missed some stuff but that was the jist of what somebody else had said....but if caylee didn't die with that duct tape on her mouth then i cannot see the point in taping her up after the fact, it just seems like too much work for miss lazy casey
Gatordog
06-19-2009, 11:32 AM
Yeah to Judge Strickland. He ruled against the Anthonys. The autopsy results get released today. I am not happy about the autopsy, but I am happy that the Anthonys were shot down. They are not the Ringmasters of this Circus without a Tent! I am sick and tired of what they want. They don't rule the world. As horrible as things may be, there is trial procedures which must be followed and all their antics can't change that.
Gator
JLette
06-19-2009, 11:35 AM
Yeah to Judge Strickland. He ruled against the Anthonys. The autopsy results get released today. I am not happy about the autopsy, but I am happy that the Anthonys were shot down. They are not the Ringmasters of this Circus without a Tent! I am sick and tired of what they want. They don't rule the world. As horrible as things may be, there is trial procedures which must be followed and all their antics can't change that.
Gator
YES!!!! finally Miss Queen B*tch doesn't get her way....
does this report include photos as well? because i don't care how public the records are i don't think photos of a childs bones should be public, but i will be reading the report as soon as i see it
HURRAY FOR SHOOTING DOWN THE ANTHONY'S :beer:
and for caylee who deserved none of this :rose:
beemer
06-19-2009, 11:35 AM
Yeah to Judge Strickland. He ruled against the Anthonys. The autopsy results get released today. I am not happy about the autopsy, but I am happy that the Anthonys were shot down. They are not the Ringmasters of this Circus without a Tent! I am sick and tired of what they want. They don't rule the world. As horrible as things may be, there is trial procedures which must be followed and all their antics can't change that.
Gator
:beer:
beemer
06-19-2009, 11:40 AM
Just my opine on the accidental thing. It just does not fly with me. Remember the computer searches prior to her death. I just dont buy Caylee was unlucky enough to have a sociopathic mother who was unlucky enough to have accidently killed her. MOO
JLette
06-19-2009, 11:46 AM
Just my opine on the accidental thing. It just does not fly with me. Remember the computer searches prior to her death. I just dont buy Caylee was unlucky enough to have a sociopathic mother who was unlucky enough to have accidently killed her. MOO
i agree beemer....just too much of a coincidence....i think maybe at one point she did love caylee in her own way, as much as a psycho can love a child, but the minute caylee became more attached to gramma than mommy it became a competition and she had to eliminate her competitor
old_soul
06-19-2009, 11:50 AM
This is a great lesson to the family..they are now learning the law/justice system does not think their croc tears or talk is going to be first and foremost over the evidence. They chose to live in the Sunshine State and (supposedly) abide by the Sunshine Laws..perhaps they should have groomed their daughter to understand what that means...cough, cough.
I have lost the sound on my puter... checked all the wires to my speakers, all Aok..suddenly now, the sound icon disappeared too! WTH?! I couldn't hear todays hearing...thanks for the info, all!
I need my audio for my music ! Any ideas? Any puter geeks here? :mad:
Gatordog
06-19-2009, 11:56 AM
I have little doubt that Casey killed her daughter. What I keep having a problem with, though, is if she killed her on purpose, then why wait so long before inventing the Zanny the Nanny story? Keep in mind, also, that she came up with the story only after her mother made the 9-1-1 call to police about the odor in the car. I have no idea how long she would have been able to keep up the charade that Caylee was with the phantom nanny.
If she had planned on killing her, wouldn't she have also come up with the alibi at that time as well, rather than just going about her life as if everything was OK? Didn't she even state that she had talked to Caylee on the phone during the time she was supposedly with Zanny? We're all fairly certain that that conversation never took place.
I just think that she accidentally killed Caylee and then had to invent the cockamamy story of Zanny the Nanny, otherwise, if it had been planned before time, I think we would have heard about her Zanny story a lot sooner, rather than after the 9-1-1 call her mother made.
She was having too much of a good time being childless to invent a story. She didn't think she would be found. She went 30 days without being discovered and she forgot Amy's resume in her car. One small mistake brings down the house of cards. I feel it was a deliberate murder. It only takes one second for a murder to be premeditated. She killed that child out of anger towards her mother.
Gator
Gatordog
06-19-2009, 11:58 AM
YES!!!! finally Miss Queen B*tch doesn't get her way....
does this report include photos as well? because i don't care how public the records are i don't think photos of a childs bones should be public, but i will be reading the report as soon as i see it
HURRAY FOR SHOOTING DOWN THE ANTHONY'S :beer:
and for caylee who deserved none of this :rose:
No photos or x-rays. Florida law prohibits the release of those items from the report.
JLette
06-19-2009, 12:08 PM
No photos or x-rays. Florida law prohibits the release of those items from the report.
well good...that would have been too much, quite honestly i thought that was the issue with releasing this stuff....but if its just a paper report then the anthonys can just NOT READ IT.....not like anyone is twisting their arm into looking at it all right?
Zingo
06-19-2009, 12:46 PM
She was having too much of a good time being childless to invent a story. She didn't think she would be found. She went 30 days without being discovered and she forgot Amy's resume in her car. One small mistake brings down the house of cards. I feel it was a deliberate murder. It only takes one second for a murder to be premeditated. She killed that child out of anger towards her mother.
Gator
Good post, Gator.
I didn't know anything about the resume, however. What was that?
My reasoning for thinking it was a deliberate murder are the following points:
1) Casey's diary entry just days after the murder that talked about "her decision" and that she knows she did the right thing.
2) The MySpace account that had a countdown number. What was it? Like 56 days or something? She was counting down until Caylee's birthday when she knew that the jig would be up, and her mother would totally demand to see Caylee.
3) The duct tape. Just no explanation for it, if there was an accident.
4) The fight on the 15th where Cindy threatened custody.
5) Going to Blockbuster w/ Tony the night of Caylee's death. If it were an accident, she wouldn't be so calm that night. But she planned to kill Casey and be a "free woman."
The only thing that would tend to support the accident theory were:
1) "flurry of phone calls" on the 16th.
But what if she was trying to get her parents to babysit for her, couldn't reach them on the phone, and that's what ultimately caused her to snap and kill Caylee. She just decided she would "act out" her longtime fantasy and in doing so, punish her mother.
That's my theory.
JLette
06-19-2009, 12:52 PM
Good post, Gator.
I didn't know anything about the resume, however. What was that?
My reasoning for thinking it was a deliberate murder are the following points:
1) Casey's diary entry just days after the murder that talked about "her decision" and that she knows she did the right thing.
2) The MySpace account that had a countdown number. What was it? Like 56 days or something? She was counting down until Caylee's birthday when she knew that the jig would be up, and her mother would totally demand to see Caylee.
3) The duct tape. Just no explanation for it, if there was an accident.
4) The fight on the 15th where Cindy threatened custody.
5) Going to Blockbuster w/ Tony the night of Caylee's death. If it were an accident, she wouldn't be so calm that night. But she planned to kill Casey and be a "free woman."
The only thing that would tend to support the accident theory were:
1) "flurry of phone calls" on the 16th.
But what if she was trying to get her parents to babysit for her, couldn't reach them on the phone, and that's what ultimately caused her to snap and kill Caylee. She just decided she would "act out" her longtime fantasy and in doing so, punish her mother.
That's my theory.
ITA....if an accident occurred then why the tape?
and i have been wondering about those calls this entire time, why was she so frantic to reach someone, it looked like she was dialing, getting no answer and just dialing again, i have done that and let me tell ya, she must have REALLY wanted something to keep calling like that. just another thing we the public will probably never know.
i also agree with another statement someone else made, if this was an accident or someone else was involved (meaning someone who actually exists) then casey would be singing like a lil jail bird by now. there is no way she would allow herself to sit in jail for an accident, she is too self centered for that.
One2Snoop
06-19-2009, 01:07 PM
This is a great lesson to the family..they are now learning the law/justice system does not think their croc tears or talk is going to be first and foremost over the evidence. They chose to live in the Sunshine State and (supposedly) abide by the Sunshine Laws..perhaps they should have groomed their daughter to understand what that means...cough, cough.
I have lost the sound on my puter... checked all the wires to my speakers, all Aok..suddenly now, the sound icon disappeared too! WTH?! I couldn't hear todays hearing...thanks for the info, all!
I need my audio for my music ! Any ideas? Any puter geeks here? :mad:
Check your wall outlets to make sure its plugged in. :shrug: I know I sometimes kick mine loose by accident or the dog or cat get under the desk and jiggle things loose. Hope that works.
:seeya:
One2Snoop
06-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Yeah to Judge Strickland. He ruled against the Anthonys. The autopsy results get released today. I am not happy about the autopsy, but I am happy that the Anthonys were shot down. They are not the Ringmasters of this Circus without a Tent! I am sick and tired of what they want. They don't rule the world. As horrible as things may be, there is trial procedures which must be followed and all their antics can't change that.
Gator
:beer:
Gatordog
06-19-2009, 01:17 PM
Video of today's hearing:
http://cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=AUTOPSYHEARING_061920091153&cat=Local&title=Caylees%20Autopsy%20Hearing
George went on about how difficult all this has been to his family and the intrusion of the media into his life.
The attorney for the Orlando Sentinel asked him: How many TV shows have you been on so far. George: I haven't counted. Attorney: How many times have you been on Larry King? GA: Twice. Attorney: You were on the morning shows this week: GA: Yes
Kudos to the Attorney.
Gator
One2Snoop
06-19-2009, 01:21 PM
Caylee Autopsy Report Will Be Released
George Anthony Makes Emotional Plea To Judge
http://www.wesh.com/news/19800528/detail.html
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The family of Caylee Anthony gathered in an Orange County courtroom on Friday to try to seal the autopsy results of their slain granddaughter, but a judge turned down the motion.
George Anthony delivered an emotional plea to Judge Stan Strickland asking that the results of the autopsy be held until the Casey Anthony trial begins. He said the public could misinterpret and sensationalize the findings.
"Please give us some peace and show us some dignity by keeping this report sealed," George Anthony said. "Thank you, judge, for giving me this brief moment. It's all for her. This is for her today."
Cindy Anthony, the grandmother of Caylee, was also in the courtroom for the hearing and appeared to be crying during the testimony, holding her head in her hands.
Casey Anthony did not attend the hearing Friday. She is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 years old when she was reported missing in June 2008. Caylee's remains were found in woods not far from the Anthony family's home in Orange County.
Attorneys for the defense asked George Anthony about the numerous TV appearances he's made regarding the investigation before the attorney for the family, Brad Conway, addressed Strickland.
Conway said he saw no reason for the autopsy results to be released, saying the information would cause needless additional pain and suffering to his clients.
But Strickland said the results contained only factual information, and while he wished he could assist the Anthonys in the matter, he found no legal reason to stop the release of the autopsy findings.
"Legally, the anguish that they feel is just not the test for whether or not this information should be released," Strickland said. "I think it is information that the public has a right to see."
Cindy Anthony shook her head back and forth as the ruling was announced.
"I'm not happy to make the ruling. In fact, I wish I didn't have to, but it's something that I legally have to do," Strickland said.
Some X-ray images that were included in the autopsy report will be withheld.
Jose Baez, the defense attorney for Casey Anthony, asked that the release of the report be delayed for 48 hours to allow the defense team time to prepare. Strickland denied the request.
The defense made another request to remove descriptions of the X-ray images, but Strickland said both sides would have to agree on their removal before it would be considered by the court.
George Anthony's Plea
http://www.wesh.com/video/19800997/index.html
Hearing Images
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Judge Stan Strickland's Ruling
http://www.wesh.com/video/19801101/index.html
Special Section
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/
One2Snoop
06-19-2009, 01:23 PM
Video of today's hearing:
http://cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=AUTOPSYHEARING_061920091153&cat=Local&title=Caylees%20Autopsy%20Hearing
George went on about how difficult all this has been to his family and the intrusion of the media into his life.
The attorney for the Orlando Sentinel asked him: How many TV shows have you been on so far. George: I haven't counted. Attorney: How many times have you been on Larry King? GA: Twice. Attorney: You were on the morning shows this week: GA: Yes
Kudos to the Attorney.
Gator
Priceless!! :beer:
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