Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[mu8shark]

You're right Amy. The actual application of the DP ongoing at this time, must mean they have more than they're telling us. I'm one to always leave room for doubt and yet I know they didn't just slap the death penaltyon the table on a whim or because they don't like her. I have no doubts that LE was basing their decision on facts they have.

The clues and circumstantial evidence IE, the lies, the jaunts to Sawgrass and Universal, the stink in the car, the lack of a normal reaction while Caylee was missing, as in partying, tattoo, not mentioning her missing while with friends.. all that- speaks also to her guilt. One of the TH's said this trial was going to be largely consumed with scientific stuff. But, that was said at the beginning when they were disputing hairs and decomposition.


I hope they don't' belabor the sciences. I hate that. I want to hear about the fights and things. I'm a voyeur. lol!:hat: Funny you should mention that. My cousin and I have been discussing why the audience for true crime books. clubs , and television shows is mostly women and statistics bear this out. I said that it is because women are way more interested in why people behave or misbehave the way they do, why people get to be sociopaths, etc. I find this in everyday life a lot. Rarely do men wonder why someone dumps them, gets mad at them, acts a certain way, as a general rule I find in my own life, women look for a reason or a motive in most behavior and while I find the forensics somewhat interesting, my favorite true crime books deal with relationships gone sour and why it happened or with people who lead a double life. How do they get that way? Why do they behave that way? What made them kill ? I just don't think men are very interested in why and true crime to me is about human behavior, aberrant or otherwise. I would love to have some of you comment on why true crime is more interesting to women. Any thoughts. My cousin who knows all about this board and I tell her about some of the funny and smart posts told me to come on here and see what some of the good minds thought. So when I saw your post it reminded me of our discussion. So again my theory is women are much more analytical about human behavior than men.

[Amy]

I was thinking about reality shows. Somewhere, there were posts, either jokingly or not, about the next the A's will be wanting a reality show. Now, I don't watch them, am not sure which ones are the reality shows, except Jon and Kate. When I do think of reality shows, I gotta wonder, who in the heck wants to live their lives with a camera always on? And, it really does have to affect how people act and what they say. Some will be saying less than they normally would, and some will be doing and saying things they never would have without the cameras rolling.

Anyway, in a way, the A's HAVE had their own reality show. One for which they aren't getting the same $$$ that people like Jon and Kate are getting. Of course, we aren't seeing the day-to-day in the home stuff (and frankly, I for one am thinking that could be a good thing!!!!:chicken:) Altho I do believe they ARE getting $$$ from somewhere, and maybe it's more than they could get w/a reality show, and they don't have to show all their pimples and bunions.

You got to wonder how the A's would be acting, what they would be saying if the murder of their granddaughter and the (proposed) conviction of their daughter wasn't talked about nightly on national tv shows, the daily coverage in the local papers and news, the weekly coverage in various and sundry tabloids. Now, I KNOW they wanted that @ the beginning, the first couple of days, wanting to get their baby back. But, when they realized WHO killed their grandbaby, things went askew.

If they learned that without the cameras already rolling, if the cameras NEVER rolled, would they have been acting differently? Would they have been doing what "normal" people most likely would be doing--supporting their daughter, loving their daughter, yet cooperating with authorities because they know their daughter has to face the consequences of what she did? Unfortunately, niether they nor us will ever know. And, who knows? Maybe it all would have come down to pretty much the same thing (how they act and talk) but we would have no clue, cuz there would be no coverage about them.

Well, not sure I was able to express what I am thinking. Maybe I should go make a cuppa cawfee as you all say, and wake up before I post again. lol

[lorettalockhorn]

Personally, I think the Ants act pretty much On The Thing like they do in private; they simply don't employ the brakes to what they have to say; it's amazing to me that they go out in the world with lead feet on the accelerator. They may not have been private people before Casey ruined their perfect world, maybe they've always been exhibitionists.

Not positive how I would act, but for sure would not be airing my dirty laundry in public, and would be sure to state the difference between what I think and what I know to be the truth. Especially under oath. (It's so obvious that lying is acceptable behavior to them.) I cannot imagine favoring a child like Casey knowing that she could likely be responsible for such a reprehensible crime over any victim, let alone my murdered family member. If she had had some sort of mental illness or true psychological break it'd be a whole nuther story, but that just doesn't seem to be the case.

[browneyes106]

Has anyone seen that Diane Fanning has a book about this case coming out in November -- called Mommy's Little Girl? Does anyone else think it's a little premature? I've read a few books of Diane Fanning's and I don't have anything against making money but how complete is this book going to be if it's writtien by November? I have a feeling we've only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as the Liar is concerned. Ms. Fanning won't even be able to cover the trial. :shrug:


http://www.amazon.com/Mommys-Little-Girl-Anthony-Daughter/dp/0312365144/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244171888&sr=1-11

I think it's too early for books about the case to come out. Casey hasn't even gone to trial.

[browneyes106]

Personally, I think the Ants act pretty much On The Thing like they do in private; they simply don't employ the brakes to what they have to say; it's amazing to me that they go out in the world with lead feet on the accelerator. They may not have been private people before Casey ruined their perfect world, maybe they've always been exhibitionists.

Not positive how I would act, but for sure would not be airing my dirty laundry in public, and would be sure to state the difference between what I think and what I know to be the truth. Especially under oath. (It's so obvious that lying is acceptable behavior to them.) I cannot imagine favoring a child like Casey knowing that she could likely be responsible for such a reprehensible crime over any victim, let alone my murdered family member. If she had had some sort of mental illness or true psychological break it'd be a whole nuther story, but that just doesn't seem to be the case.

I agree I don't Casey has a mental illness or psychological break either.

[browneyes106]

I was thinking about reality shows. Somewhere, there were posts, either jokingly or not, about the next the A's will be wanting a reality show. Now, I don't watch them, am not sure which ones are the reality shows, except Jon and Kate. When I do think of reality shows, I gotta wonder, who in the heck wants to live their lives with a camera always on? And, it really does have to affect how people act and what they say. Some will be saying less than they normally would, and some will be doing and saying things they never would have without the cameras rolling.

Anyway, in a way, the A's HAVE had their own reality show. One for which they aren't getting the same $$$ that people like Jon and Kate are getting. Of course, we aren't seeing the day-to-day in the home stuff (and frankly, I for one am thinking that could be a good thing!!!!:chicken:) Altho I do believe they ARE getting $$$ from somewhere, and maybe it's more than they could get w/a reality show, and they don't have to show all their pimples and bunions.

You got to wonder how the A's would be acting, what they would be saying if the murder of their granddaughter and the (proposed) conviction of their daughter wasn't talked about nightly on national tv shows, the daily coverage in the local papers and news, the weekly coverage in various and sundry tabloids. Now, I KNOW they wanted that @ the beginning, the first couple of days, wanting to get their baby back. But, when they realized WHO killed their grandbaby, things went askew.

If they learned that without the cameras already rolling, if the cameras NEVER rolled, would they have been acting differently? Would they have been doing what "normal" people most likely would be doing--supporting their daughter, loving their daughter, yet cooperating with authorities because they know their daughter has to face the consequences of what she did? Unfortunately, niether they nor us will ever know. And, who knows? Maybe it all would have come down to pretty much the same thing (how they act and talk) but we would have no clue, cuz there would be no coverage about them.

Well, not sure I was able to express what I am thinking. Maybe I should go make a cuppa cawfee as you all say, and wake up before I post again. lol

I also think the A's are getting money somehow. Maybe they are making deals with people in the entertainment business that we don't know about.

[Justice Denied?]

That's because (unlike the A's) you're not an exhibitionist Amy. :) Personally, I'd be dead or in jail. Where they go, their tails will follow anyway. They don't even seem to realize at this point, that their daughter and Caylee are gone. It's a strong possibility they haven't even begun to imagine that they are going to be arrested as well, and held on obstruction charges. IMO.

I'm getting that those people are mad at the world because the world has laws that differ from Cindy's laws. THe other day, Gator and I were discussing that point. She is clawing at LE to give her back her reins on Casey. IMO Liar seems relieved in some strange way to be out of her control. But CA wants exclusive rights to her daughter and seems to believe no one has rights to discipline or grant immunity to anyone in her Stepford world, or in that mess she calls a family.:mad:

I have always felt that this was Cindy's attitude: "This is a private family matter. Give me my child and I will take her home and handle the matter appropriately." Not sure if it is conscious oe unconscious but I honestly think she believes that what happens inside the family is no one else's business. JMO , MOO

[Amy]

I hear that Jav. When we play devil's advocate, we can try to imagine what we would do in their shoes. Your compassion is front up! I love it. It speaks to my heart. :)

On the temple of Delphi, it is written "Know Thyself" I do. I've been observing me for many years. ;)

With that said, if I were in that situation re the protesters on my front lawn, I'd stay indoors until they dispersed. If the A's stayed inside instead of fanning the flames, they may have left sooner. I believe that. Not to say that their own behaviors inspired the mob mentality.. but I'm just saying.. ya know?

Just like, if they would say "no comment" each and every time they were approached, soon the media would (most likely) know they are wasting their time and breath trying to get any statement from them (or their attorneys.)

If the protesters are ignored, if they get no reaction from those whom they are protesting, they would soon lose interest, most likely. Or, there might have been someone being a little rabid who might have done something that they could not ignore--set the garage on fire, throw a brick thru the window or something. Even that should be followed by a phone call to 911 and a quick exit out the back door. IMO.

[Amy]

I think it's too early for books about the case to come out. Casey hasn't even gone to trial.

There were documentaries about Laci Peterson even before her and Connor's bodies were found. Books, even one by Catherine Crier IIRC came out before the trial. I can't remember the next case I was following, but the books came out before the trial. I've always tho't--how can they write them just by talking to people and reading news articles. The down dirty would come out in the trial, and sometimes that puts to rest some of the rumors and downright lies by people to whom the author talked to.

Me, I wait for a book that is written when much more (because probably not all is ever known) is known after the trial.

But, even if it's too early for a book, there are always advance royalties authors get when promising to write a book. Don't know why the would go for unknown authors which the A's would be, but maybe there are already ghost writers lined up to see that the book is written?

[lorettalockhorn]

The A's are going to write a book about how to deal with it, when child goes missing. I'm going to hurl with Wind.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthony-1.html

...Instead, it will focus on what families should do if their child is missing...

...But do you think anyone with a missing child would want to follow the Anthonys' example or advice? Who would buy their book?...

AMEN, Hal. And shouldn't that read what families should do if they think their grandchild is missing?

[Amy]

The A's are going to write a book about how to deal with it, when child goes missing. I'm going to hurl with Wind.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthony-1.html

Wonder if this is the type of book the publisher planned on the A's to write? Or, is this just a bit of a red herring the A's are putting out to make people think they won't profit on a tell-all book?

I agree w/the author of the blog--who would want to read a book about what to do when a child goes missing by the A's? Well, I guess there are people who haven't heard of this case, or only heard in passing, maybe when Caylee first went "missing." Or, people could by it and use it for info on how NOT to act when a child goes missing. If the A's book says follow path A--you know you'd better be looking for another path--ANY other path to be following!!!! IMO

[BeastofBears]

The A's are going to write a book about how to deal with it, when child goes missing. I'm going to hurl with Wind.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthony-1.html

Just don't hurl INTO the wind, lol!

As for this book...???!!!!?!?!?!???!?! This is April 1st, right?

[applesandorange]

If my child went missing the very first thing I'd do is head to the book store and find a book on what to do and how to deal with it (being sarcastic) I mean who would even have time to read a book with all that chaos going on? Seriously, c'mon people get a clue. Your books going to be as worthless as the "efforts" you put into finding Caylee.

[BeastofBears]

Let's see, what would my checklist be....?
1) call police
2) clean car
3) do laundry
4) bookstore
Maybe not:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Let's see, what would my checklist be....?
1) call police
2) clean car
3) do laundry
4) bookstore
Maybe not:shrug:

HAHAHAHA Don't forget to make a pot of chili!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

When the A's write their book, the title is going to have Caylee's name on the front of it. The tag line on the back cover will break hearts. The pages inside of the book will be good liner on the bottom of a bird cage. They'll make millions!

It won't bring Caylee back and it won't get liar off the hook. But they'll live in incredible style. Money doesn't protect anyone from suffering, :no: but they don't know that yet.

No amount of money will evah buy the dissonANTs style. Incredible or otherwise. Just think how tacky they'll be as nouveau riche.

[DrewBerry]

That's because (unlike the A's) you're not an exhibitionist Amy. :) Personally, I'd be dead or in jail. Where they go, their tails will follow anyway. They don't even seem to realize at this point, that their daughter and Caylee are gone. It's a strong possibility they haven't even begun to imagine that they are going to be arrested as well, and held on obstruction charges. IMO.

I'm getting that those people are mad at the world because the world has laws that differ from Cindy's laws. THe other day, Gator and I were discussing that point. She is clawing at LE to give her back her reins on Casey. IMO Liar seems relieved in some strange way to be out of her control. But CA wants exclusive rights to her daughter and seems to believe no one has rights to discipline or grant immunity to anyone in her Stepford world, or in that mess she calls a family.:mad:

Hi Nawny! Since I'm still w/o internet/cable, I can only jump on intermittently. I so agree with your comment about the Liar being relieved to be out of Cindy's reach/control. I would guess she's more than relieved and been doing her happy dance in her cell (w/o stripper pole, of course!). When I watch her facial expressions in court, Liar appears to be soaking up the attention in her newfound "daddy" JB and "mommy" LKB. I keep watching for her to direct a smile or something towards her parents, but I have not seen any effort there. Stepford world is spot on. I believe much of Cindy's rage is that she IS NO LONGER in control of ANYTHING!! Ha, Ha, Cindy. Go ahead and make an ass out of yourself on the thing!:beer:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Anyone remember this ?
http://www.billwarnerpi.com/2008/09/leonard-padilla-larry-garrison-three.html

I'm bored tonight.. recycling news. LOL!!

We need doc. dump! Going thru withdrawls, here!:)
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

HAHAHAHA Don't forget to make a pot of chili!!!!!

Hi Loretta!:seeya: I might add, keep day spa appointment!
DrewB

[Amy]

If my child went missing the very first thing I'd do is head to the book store and find a book on what to do and how to deal with it (being sarcastic) I mean who would even have time to read a book with all that chaos going on? Seriously, c'mon people get a clue. Your books going to be as worthless as the "efforts" you put into finding Caylee.

And their efforts elsewhere. They didn't put that boat in any of the waters around Sutsama FL looking for Haleigh Cummings--in fact, when George went there, there weren't any pics of him towing his boat.

And, did they tow that boat up to MI to find Nevaeh Buchanan? She was found near the water. Sandra Cantu they get a pass on, as the only water there were the drain off ponds, and not even I would expect they or anyone else would put a boat in one of those. But, there have been several instances of need for a boat right there in the Orlando area, and there was no George and SS off your Azz or whatever name you all decided on (;)) in those waters. That was about the time they were doing the promo picks of them on some other body of water, tho.

I wouldn't buy their books even for the entertainment value. I'd probably by screaming and throwing the book every sentence or so, anyway. :flamemad:

[Amy]

Let's see, what would my checklist be....?
1) call police
2) clean car
3) do laundry
4) bookstore
Maybe not:shrug:

Tad bit out of order, my dear. FIRST, you clean the car. You don't call the police until after you find out your loved one has been missing 31 days. That always comes AFTER finding the car and cleaning it, doncha know? ;)

Maybe, everyone in the world should by a copy of that book. You know, to have on hand in case someone ever goes missing. That way, you can go straight to your bookcase and get it, instead of having to worry about working a trip to the library or bookstore to pick one up.

Let's see. Find car and clean it. Call police. Then, I think you would have to read the book (everyone needs to become speedreaders, cuz you won't have much time, ya know) to know that the next item on the list would be to do laundry.

Wonder if the book will include things like: pick a favorite color, or a color you think you look good in, and be sure to have on hand many blouses or sweaters of that color so you can wear that color every day. Or, pick a symbol that means something to the accused murderer of your loved one, and wear THAT prominently to every hearing or NG interview, or just whenever you might be outside and be interviewed by a tv reporter. (If it's just the newspaper reporters, it's not so important, unless they want pics to go w/the article.)

Oh, and I do think they need to tweak the title somewhat. They don't have answers to what to do when your child goes missing. They have answers (in their own way) about what to do when your grandchild is murdered by your daughter. Unfortunately, there will be more of these. Casey isn't the first and sadly won't be the last mother to kill her own child(ren.) There was a new one just today or yesterday in TX. :flamemad:

[browneyes106]

The A's are going to write a book about how to deal with it, when child goes missing. I'm going to hurl with Wind.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthony-1.html

It's a riot! There is lots and lots of money waiting to be paid for a book by these treacherous people. The human interest story is what sells books. It will sell, and the reviews on Amazon will make this forum look like a compliment to the A's. I wager there will be many books written on this story and if for nothing else, the one the A's write will be bought as part of the collection. Here's the host of authors that will probably cash in:

Padilla
Kronk
Casey
Cindy
Brad
Amy
Grund
Zanny the Nanny
and the beat goes on!

Wonder if this is the type of book the publisher planned on the A's to write? Or, is this just a bit of a red herring the A's are putting out to make people think they won't profit on a tell-all book?

I agree w/the author of the blog--who would want to read a book about what to do when a child goes missing by the A's? Well, I guess there are people who haven't heard of this case, or only heard in passing, maybe when Caylee first went "missing." Or, people could by it and use it for info on how NOT to act when a child goes missing. If the A's book says follow path A--you know you'd better be looking for another path--ANY other path to be following!!!! IMO

Hi A&O!

Yes the book would be worth nothing to the greater good of the world. However, that is not to say it won't sell. It will definitely sell because they have become the icons of awful and because of the story about little Caylee. The curiosity mongers will pay the money for it, then throw it against the wall. Some people need to do that.. so if there are ten million people in NYC, and 1% of them buy the book for 25.00 dollars, and the A's get 6% of the gross sales.... think about it.

Marsha Clark retired after she wrote her stupid book. Ann Rule got famous after her Bundy book (but she's a great writer) It seems we all are attracted to the decadence in the world. We will read a headline that says something horrible before we'll read about the hike in oil prices. The A's are already cashing in on this child, and I expect a book from them and a few others. It's a hottie.

I find it disgusting that George and Cindy plan to write book. Of course there will be people who will buy the book out of curiosity, entertainment etc. The book won't sell well. The only people I can see writing books on dealing with a missing child are people who work in LE or people whose children or relatives actually went missing. But I don't think people whose children go missing would care to spend time reading books on how to deal with it. Many legitimate missing children's organizations have counselors who do pro bono work for them and many of their advisers are former LE people who worked in cases years before. If my child was missing I would rather talk to a counselor or former cop who worked a missing children's case years before than read a stupid book by a couple whose granddaughter was never really missing to begin with. In the end George and Cindy will never meet the ranks of advocates like Mark Klaas, Beth Holloway, John Walsh, Collen Nick or Patty Wetterling.

I do think LP is most likely to cash in with a book. But I don't see Amy writing a book. I think she is least likely to write a book. I think Jesse would write a book if his dad put him up to it.

[applesandorange]

Hi A&O!

Yes the book would be worth nothing to the greater good of the world. However, that is not to say it won't sell. It will definitely sell because they have become the icons of awful and because of the story about little Caylee. The curiosity mongers will pay the money for it, then throw it against the wall. Some people need to do that.. so if there are ten million people in NYC, and 1% of them buy the book for 25.00 dollars, and the A's get 6% of the gross sales.... think about it.

Marsha Clark retired after she wrote her stupid book. Ann Rule got famous after her Bundy book (but she's a great writer) It seems we all are attracted to the decadence in the world. We will read a headline that says something horrible before we'll read about the hike in oil prices. The A's are already cashing in on this child, and I expect a book from them and a few others. It's a hottie.


Oh I agree with you 100%. The book will sell just because people "need" to know what these idiots are saying next. Everything about this case makes me sick. I think about poor little Caylee who didn't even really matter. I mean yeah she was a fun toy to play with and show off while she was there but now that she's gone her family doesn't really care. Maybe that's judgmental and harsh but IMO if they really cared they would want her murderer punished no matter who it is. It's just not fair. These losers will be profiting off of the death of this child. I hate this case. There are too many nutjobs.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi Nawny! Since I'm still w/o internet/cable, I can only jump on intermittently. I so agree with your comment about the Liar being relieved to be out of Cindy's reach/control. I would guess she's more than relieved and been doing her happy dance in her cell (w/o stripper pole, of course!). When I watch her facial expressions in court, Liar appears to be soaking up the attention in her newfound "daddy" JB and "mommy" LKB. I keep watching for her to direct a smile or something towards her parents, but I have not seen any effort there. Stepford world is spot on. I believe much of Cindy's rage is that she IS NO LONGER in control of ANYTHING!! Ha, Ha, Cindy. Go ahead and make an ass out of yourself on the thing!:beer:
DrewB

You said something there, sister! Maybe she should consider concentrating on Caylee instead of Casey?

ETA: Hope you get your internet back pronto!

[lorettalockhorn]

And their efforts elsewhere. They didn't put that boat in any of the waters around Sutsama FL looking for Haleigh Cummings--in fact, when George went there, there weren't any pics of him towing his boat.

And, did they tow that boat up to MI to find Nevaeh Buchanan? She was found near the water. Sandra Cantu they get a pass on, as the only water there were the drain off ponds, and not even I would expect they or anyone else would put a boat in one of those. But, there have been several instances of need for a boat right there in the Orlando area, and there was no George and SS off your Azz or whatever name you all decided on (;)) in those waters. That was about the time they were doing the promo picks of them on some other body of water, tho.

I wouldn't buy their books even for the entertainment value. I'd probably by screaming and throwing the book every sentence or so, anyway. :flamemad:

Good point about the boat. Don't think I've read a single instance of the aSS on The Thing being used for its intended purpose. Is the upkeep coming out of the foundation budget?

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe they can call their book Ugly Coping. Give the phrase a real definition?

Love it! How to Ugly Cope With a Missing Child for Dummies.

[lorettalockhorn]

I find it disgusting that George and Cindy plan to write book. Of course there will be people who will buy the book out of curiosity, entertainment etc. The book won't sell well. The only people I can see writing books on dealing with a missing child are people who work in LE or people whose children or relatives actually went missing. But I don't think people whose children go missing would care to spend time reading books on how to deal with it. Many legitimate missing children's organizations have counselors who do pro bono work for them and many of their advisers are former LE people who worked in cases years before. If my child was missing I would rather talk to a counselor or former cop who worked a missing children's case years before than read a stupid book by a couple whose granddaughter was never really missing to begin with. In the end George and Cindy will never meet the ranks of advocates like Mark Klaas, Beth Holloway, John Walsh, Collen Nick or Patty Wetterling.

I do think LP is most likely to cash in with a book. But I don't see Amy writing a book. I think she is least likely to write a book. I think Jesse would write a book if his dad put him up to it.

I can imagine Richard Grund writing a book moreso than Jesse just from reading his blog entries. Found an interesting one from a while back. Lemme see if I can find it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sunday, February 15, 2009
Team Caylee from Yuku.com and those affected by them PLEASE READ
Current mood: confident

Good evening!

This will be a multi-part blog that I want EVERYONE to read.. And, I want you to paste it and forward it anywhere TeamCaylee from Yuku.com has left their droppings.

To ALL THE MEMBERS OF TEAM CAYLEE @ YUKU.COM:

First of all, let me say how disgusted and enraged I am that you have attached Caylee's name to your misguided, evil efforts. However, considering your Queen Jezebel, her behavior and her eunuch servant's behavior over the last 6-months I am not surprised at her ability to demean Caylee's name but you WILL NOT demean her legacy!

I've seen your entire members list, followed your screen names to other sites, gathered IP addresses and established identities. I do not believe that ALL OF YOU are a part of this effort to defame, slander and demean others who you do not agree with. I've seen enough to know that there are some of you who are not in agreement with everything that is going on. FOR THOSE OF YOU that have not participated in the libelous attacks going on at the Topix forum I will give you until 5 p.m. tomorrow MONDAY FEBRUARY 16th 2009 to contact me here, give me your name and any information you can offer regarding these activities. I will attach your IP address to your name and REMOVE YOU FROM THE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. That offer ends at 5 p.m. tomorrow. IF YOU DO NOT contact me then you will be included in the legal proceedings that are in process. I will be meeting with the LAWYERS this week and handing over all of the information accumulated on you. Yes, LAWYERS plural. It seems that some of the others you've targeted have their own lawyers who I WILL BE GIVING MY INFORMATION TO THEM AS WELL.

A Texas Judge has ruled against the Topix forum THIS MONTH and 178 anonymous posters will be exposed and possibly prosecuted for their comments on a Topix Forum. A recent bill passed in Congress allows up to TWO YEARS IN JAIL for libelous comments, known as flames. Some of you have gotten caught up in this "game" and followed the wrong people down a wrong road. I am giving you a chance to get off of that road and do the right thing. If you do not take that choice, I will not feel bad for the havoc that rains down on your life. If you've been told there is nothing that can be done about your actions YOU WERE LIED TO. DO NOT TAKE THE FALL FOR THEM!

TO EVERYONE ATTACKED AND DEFAMED BY TEAMCAYLEE @ YUKU.COM:

The names of those involved can be found in a prior blog or at the Topix forum Team Jesse We Support You. If you recognize screen names or identities please contact the various web sites in question you will find that their policies have been violated. Please notify them that information taken from their sites has been used to harass you online. Also, if you wish to participate in the LAWSUIT that is being filed and the INVESTIGATION that is being commenced, please contact me as well with your information, who has harassed you and where this has taken place and I will pass it on to the LAWYERS. If a large enough number of you do so, I believe a COLLECTIVE LAWSUIT against ALL INVOLVED, THEIR BUSINESSES, ASSETS AND WEB SITES USED is in order. At least two of the perpetrators have successful businesses and they will have assets to pay for the judgments. But do not do it for financial gain - do it to set a precedence for others in the future. DO NOT DELAY IF YOU WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS.

AGAIN TO TEAM CAYLEE AND ALL OF IT'S WONDERFUL MEMBERS:

I want to thank you. What was meant for evil God has used for good. Over the last 6-months I've spent all of my time trying to find Caylee. I wasn't working on a cover-up or trying to protect anyone. During that time I fought for Caylee and because of some extremely misguided people had to stand up for my son Jesse. It wasn't that he couldn't stand up for himself. It was just that as a key witness in this case he was limited in what he could say. I wasn't. During that time I was so focused on Caylee and Jesse that I neglected other things that were important to me thinking they were safe. Because of your DIABOLICAL attack on my wife you caused me to shift my focus to her. Caylee has been found and is safe at Home. Jesse is secure and has had his say. Now, I am focused on my home, my wife and my life. Thank you for reminding me what is important. What the devil meant for bad GOD HAS USED FOR GOOD! So, even in that assignment you have failed.

I want to state for the record that I have no pleasure in seeing people go to jail or see lives, marriages and careers destroyed. This was not my choice. As the Judge in the Nevada Court room said to OJ Simpson; she did not know if it was his arrogance or his ignorance that got him to where he is now. I would wonder the same about you. It's too late to delete files and create another web site. Your efforts to destroy the Friends of Caylee web site will not succeed either and just so that your small darkened minds understand - Caylee's ENTIRE NAME was trademarked which means it cannot be used for business reasons. This site is a free site with no profits being made. At no time have I made, sought or intended to seek any profit from her name. Can the same be said for the Queen Jezebel that you follow so blindly and so foolishly?

I am sorry all of you have had to endure this but I will not stand for nor will I allow bullies to succeed. I CANNOT STAND BULLIES. And, that's what you miscreants are - BULLIES. As it always is with BULLIES - as soon as someone stands up to you we find out that you aren't as big, strong or as dangerous as you hoped you'd be.

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=85212505&page=2

Sounds like a man on a mission, and depending on what the defense it, it might be interesting to see if/how Casey/Baez does try to set any or all of the Grunds up.

I used the term Team Caylee a while back to describe us here as supporters of justice for Caylee, but I'm not any part of the people at Yuko.com.

[deacon]

[I]Sunday, February 15, 2009
Team Caylee from Yuku.com and those affected by them PLEASE READ
Current mood: confident


Sounds like a man on a mission, and depending on what the defense it, it might be interesting to see if/how Casey/Baez does try to set any or all of the Grunds up.

I used the term Team Caylee a while back to describe us here as supporters of justice for Caylee, but I'm not any part of the people at Yuko.com.

(Clipped for space)

It gets nastier as we go along. And none of this is needed. I think all of them need to step back and take a look at what they are doing. None of this is honoring Caylee or God, if you ask me. That, of course, would just be MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

(Clipped for space)

It gets nastier as we go along. And none of this is needed. I think all of them need to step back and take a look at what they are doing. None of this is honoring Caylee or God, if you ask me. That, of course, would just be MOO

To be honest deacon, R Grund kinda gives me the heebie jeebies. Strikes me as very vain and somewhat of an attention seeker. But hey. What do I know?

(And that bit about collecting IP addys and whatnot for a lawsuit is kinda whack!)

[JLette]

To be honest deacon, R Grund kinda gives me the heebie jeebies. Strikes me as very vain and somewhat of an attention seeker. But hey. What do I know?

(And that bit about collecting IP addys and whatnot for a lawsuit is kinda whack!)


to be honest, every i have seen him do an interview he seems a little bit self-righteous (right word?) and yes vain as well. i don't think his INTENTIONS are bad as it seems he only got really involved when the finger started getting pointed at HIS son. JMO :shrug:

[Gatordog]

When the A's write their book, the title is going to have Caylee's name on the front of it. The tag line on the back cover will break hearts. The pages inside of the book will be good liner on the bottom of a bird cage. They'll make millions!

It won't bring Caylee back and it won't get liar off the hook. But they'll live in incredible style. Money doesn't protect anyone from suffering, :no: but they don't know that yet.

OJ thought he would make millions on his book. Look what happened there. The publisher caved into the public outcry. It can happen again.

[Gatordog]

I have always felt that this was Cindy's attitude: "This is a private family matter. Give me my child and I will take her home and handle the matter appropriately." Not sure if it is conscious oe unconscious but I honestly think she believes that what happens inside the family is no one else's business. JMO , MOO

JD, excellent opinion. I agree and that's my opinion. I would think that she feels that Caylee was her granddaughter and "possession". If she is willing to look the other way in her death, who's business is it but hers? She probably thinks she is the one who suffered the loss, no one else, so she should be the one to determine the fate of the killer.

Gator

[BeastofBears]

To be honest deacon, R Grund kinda gives me the heebie jeebies. Strikes me as very vain and somewhat of an attention seeker. But hey. What do I know?

(And that bit about collecting IP addys and whatnot for a lawsuit is kinda whack!)

That was kind of weird about "following" screen names to other sites...I know some people have the same nics, but they are not the same person...and what if someone doesn't see this "notice" and get on the no naming list?

That said, I saw the topix board once...it was appalling what was going on there.

All imo!

[deacon]

To be honest deacon, R Grund kinda gives me the heebie jeebies. Strikes me as very vain and somewhat of an attention seeker. But hey. What do I know?

(And that bit about collecting IP addys and whatnot for a lawsuit is kinda whack!)

I read on down the page and yes, he gives me the heebie jeebies too. Vain is putting it nicely, I would totally agree with self righteous. When one says what he does in places he is wearing it as a badge of honor and it isn't. (subject for the religious discussion thread)

[One2Snoop]

[I]Sunday, February 15, 2009
Team Caylee from Yuku.com and those affected by them PLEASE READ
Current mood: confident

Good evening!

This will be a multi-part blog that I want EVERYONE to read.. And, I want you to paste it and forward it anywhere TeamCaylee from Yuku.com has left their droppings.

To ALL THE MEMBERS OF TEAM CAYLEE @ YUKU.COM:

First of all, let me say how disgusted and enraged I am that you have attached Caylee's name to your misguided, evil efforts. However, considering your Queen Jezebel, her behavior and her eunuch servant's behavior over the last 6-months I am not surprised at her ability to demean Caylee's name but you WILL NOT demean her legacy!

I've seen your entire members list, followed your screen names to other sites, gathered IP addresses and established identities. I do not believe that ALL OF YOU are a part of this effort to defame, slander and demean others who you do not agree with. I've seen enough to know that there are some of you who are not in agreement with everything that is going on. FOR THOSE OF YOU that have not participated in the libelous attacks going on at the Topix forum I will give you until 5 p.m. tomorrow MONDAY FEBRUARY 16th 2009 to contact me here, give me your name and any information you can offer regarding these activities. snipped for length..
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=85212505&page=2

Sounds like a man on a mission, and depending on what the defense it, it might be interesting to see if/how Casey/Baez does try to set any or all of the Grunds up.

I used the term Team Caylee a while back to describe us here as supporters of justice for Caylee, but I'm not any part of the people at Yuko.com.

This was posted back in February - what has happened since then? :shrug:

[BeastofBears]

HAHAHAHA Don't forget to make a pot of chili!!!!!

I hear its really good chili!

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking the same thing earlier Gator-rally against the book and gawd forbid if there is ever a movie. Look what got accomplished by the uproar for that convention Ant's were slated to speak at. The world knows where their intentions lie. How is your eye doing? better i hope :beer:

Very true about the power of public persuasion.

Gator, second that about your eye; hope you're painfree!

[lorettalockhorn]

That was kind of weird about "following" screen names to other sites...I know some people have the same nics, but they are not the same person...and what if someone doesn't see this "notice" and get on the no naming list?

That said, I saw the topix board once...it was appalling what was going on there.

All imo!

Blogger + Stalker = Balker? Stogger? :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

This was posted back in February - what has happened since then? :shrug:

That link will take you to all his blogs at myspace. He strikes me as obsessed. But not sure how I would handle it if I really believed that I was being set up by the likes of the psychofANTs.

Speaking of: Cindy said during the ZFG deposition that at this point she thought that Zanny could be Amy or Jesse. Now just how did she mean that? That Casey was lying all along to protect one of those two and they (s)he had the clout to threaten the family? Casey didn't recognize her/him when she got knocked down at JBP and Caylee was taken? Is she admitting (just minutes after describing the real #10 Zanny) that Casey lied about Zanny from the git?

[JLette]

That link will take you to all his blogs at myspace. He strikes me as obsessed. But not sure how I would handle it if I really believed that I was being set up by the likes of the psychofANTs.

Speaking of: Cindy said during the ZFG deposition that at this point she thought that Zanny could be Amy or Jesse. Now just how did she mean that? That Casey was lying all along to protect one of those two and they (s)he had the clout to threaten the family? Casey didn't recognize her/him when she got knocked down at JBP and Caylee was taken? Is she admitting (just minutes after describing the real #10 Zanny) that Casey lied about Zanny from the git?

LOL if she is admitting that than she should come out and say so in so many words and maybe the lawsuit would go away, all they want is to clear their clients name yes?

[Marian Paroo]

To be honest deacon, R Grund kinda gives me the heebie jeebies. Strikes me as very vain and somewhat of an attention seeker. But hey. What do I know?

(And that bit about collecting IP addys and whatnot for a lawsuit is kinda whack!)

to be honest, every i have seen him do an interview he seems a little bit self-righteous (right word?) and yes vain as well. i don't think his INTENTIONS are bad as it seems he only got really involved when the finger started getting pointed at HIS son. JMO :shrug:

I read on down the page and yes, he gives me the heebie jeebies too. Vain is putting it nicely, I would totally agree with self righteous. When one says what he does in places he is wearing it as a badge of honor and it isn't. (subject for the religious discussion thread)

His self-righteous manner made me feel squeamish from day no. 1, and when I said so, like after the first time he was on Greta, on the Greta boards everybody yelled at me.

Nice to be with a buncha cynics like you all!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL if she is admitting that than she should come out and say so in so many words and maybe the lawsuit would go away, all they want is to clear their clients name yes?

BINGO! But you have to admit that the timing was very interesting.

[lorettalockhorn]

His self-righteous manner made me feel squeamish from day no. 1, and when I said so, like after the first time he was on Greta, on the Greta boards everybody yelled at me.

Nice to be with a buncha cynics like you all!!!

I like that label!

[deacon]

His self-righteous manner made me feel squeamish from day no. 1, and when I said so, like after the first time he was on Greta, on the Greta boards everybody yelled at me.

Nice to be with a buncha cynics like you all!!!

I don't think we are being cynical. Just truthful. He seems to pump up his importance with each post on that blog. "I am all right and you are not." That doesn't get it. He seems to be building himself up instead of the God whom he says he believes in. Another time, another thread.:beer:

[BeastofBears]

That link will take you to all his blogs at myspace. He strikes me as obsessed. But not sure how I would handle it if I really believed that I was being set up by the likes of the psychofANTs.

Speaking of: Cindy said during the ZFG deposition that at this point she thought that Zanny could be Amy or Jesse. Now just how did she mean that? That Casey was lying all along to protect one of those two and they (s)he had the clout to threaten the family? Casey didn't recognize her/him when she got knocked down at JBP and Caylee was taken? Is she admitting (just minutes after describing the real #10 Zanny) that Casey lied about Zanny from the git?

And the fruitless quest of Loretta for logic continues...:)

[lorettalockhorn]

And the fruitless quest of Loretta for logic continues...:)

Now where did I read this? ...I respect other's right to free speech and freedom of thought.... Oh yeah.

And isn't the jury going to wonder the same things we do?

[Amy]

Amy I don't know how you do it but FYI I cant' read when my eyes are watering from laughing and I have to go over it twice.

The assonthething, is the name of the boat. ROTFL! How's your cleaning lady? :beer:

Well, I was being lazy and didn't want to go thru posts to look for the actual name, just remembered some of the words it contained. ;)

Oh, my cleaning GIRL? She's just 19, the kids' neice. So, she was going to come over Saturday. But, DD was asleep. Now, WHY DD has to be awake is beyond me--it's not like DD is going to HELP her, for Pete's sake!!!! So, she shows up about 11:30 or so. The next I know, DD and her bf are going shopping--as is K!!!! I ask, now, are there any cleaning supplies I need to be getting for you? Oh, no, it's all fine (like, how would she know--she didn't even look around.) So, off they go. DD returns about 4--po'd as all get out @ the bf--who dropped her off and went to work. Whatever made her angry, she started hauling his stuff to the porch. "Oh, is he moving out, or are you moving him out?" "He doesn't know it yet, but he's moving out. He'll know when he gets back home." (Shaking head icon goes here.) Anyway, they dropped K off @ her apt. Seems she was hoping from a visit from the bf who has a restriction order on him (and if the neighbors see him, they WILL call the police.) He just got out of jail for beating on her--but "we're a family, you know." Right, she has a girl, they have a baby boy. He has been porking a 17 y/o since K was a few months pregnant, and leaves her every other day to go back to this child. But, but, HE buys the 2 kids' diapers!!! If she doesn't let him see them, or doesn't bail him out before he loses his job, SHE will have to buy diapers out of her gov't issued checks that are to be used FOR THE BABIES!!!!! But, I digress.

So, yesterday, she was coming over. She tells DD she can do all the cleaning in one day. RIGHT. Okay. I take DS to work about 11:30. I get a call from DD saying that K is walking over. Okay. By 2 or 3 o'clock, I figure, well, no cleaning today, for sure, except what I had been doing. Trying to get things sorted out, put up or thrown away so she doesn't have to worry about asking what I want done with whatever is sitting around. DD's bf comes in about 4--K left him a text earlier telling him she wasn't coming over because DD said she wasn't feeling well, and K didn't want to "catch" anything. Again, DD would have been shut in her room, K wasn't going to clean in there---but, any excuse will do, of course.

So, here we are today. K texted DD that she will be over about 2 to clean. Whatever. So, DD texted her back and said she and bf are going fishing, but that I was expecting her. An immediate text back, well, the grandmothers have returned her kids to her---she'll clean next weekend!!! :D Whatever. Heck, by the time she gets here, I will have cleaned enough that the price will be down to $25 a room!!!!

[Amy]

Maybe they can call their book Ugly Coping. Give the phrase a real definition?

Now, that's an idea for sure!!! If Cindy or anyone "helping" her are reading the boards, maybe they will see this, and include it in their list for potential titles!!!!

I'm betting the publisher and the ghostwriter (surely they will have help writing) once they read the info would probably vote for this to be the title.

I just had a tho't about ghostwriters. KFN has experts in many fields (cough cough) on their board and available to them. Wonder if ghostwriter is one of them?? Maybe their former spokesperson--somebody bart? has writing skills under her belt.

[lorettalockhorn]

Now, that's an idea for sure!!! If Cindy or anyone "helping" her are reading the boards, maybe they will see this, and include it in their list for potential titles!!!!

I'm betting the publisher and the ghostwriter (surely they will have help writing) once they read the info would probably vote for this to be the title.

I just had a tho't about ghostwriters. KFN has experts in many fields (cough cough) on their board and available to them. Wonder if ghostwriter is one of them?? Maybe their former spokesperson--somebody bart? has writing skills under her belt.

Isn't Michelle Bart the Milstead's daughter?

[Amy]

Lordy will she next be lobbying for Cindy's Law-ya know since she is so above it in my opine :eek:

Or, even worse--some kind of CASEY's Law!!! Now, wouldn't that be the final kicker, to try to do something "good" in Casey's name:shrug:

[Amy]

Isn't Michelle Bart the Milstead's daughter?

I don't know. I had never heard that. But, you never can tell with them.

[Gatordog]

Okay, now it begins.....

WESH stated that there is new information regarding the casey anthony defense team and they would report on it at 6 pm. They stated that the defense lawyers were going to question George and Cindy for information and would give the details at 6.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks for asking how I'm doing. My eye is much better. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

It heals quickly but it feels like forever.

Gator

[Gatordog]

From WESH News 6 P.M.


The judge entered an order for access to all cell phone records for eight witnesses. The records go back 18 months and includes cell phone internet searches. Baez wants to find out who the detectives was talking to in the woods. The order includes George, Cindy and Lee's records for one and a half years. Everyone else is for one year.

Defense team received 130 pages of evidence docs today. Doc dump is coming.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for asking how I'm doing. My eye is much better. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

It heals quickly but it feels like forever.

Gator

Great news that you're on the mend.

Found this on the WEST site:

No Charges To Be Filed Against Anthonys
Women Said Anthonys Chased Them From Memorial

ORLANDO, Fla. -- George and Cindy Anthony will not face charges in connection with a criminal complaint filed by a pair of local women last week, Orange County Sheriff's Department Corporal Susan Soto said.

The women filed a complaint saying that Cindy Anthony took down their memorial cross to Caylee, then, along with George Anthony, chased them out of the neighborhood.

George and Cindy Anthony are the parents of Casey Anthony, who is at the Orange County Jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area off Suburban Drive last December.

Monday night, Lois Peter and Denise Hill said they staked out the area along Suburban Drive to see who kept taking down their memorial crosses to Caylee. At around 10:30 p.m., they said they snapped a picture of George Anthony waiting in his vehicle while Cindy Anthony took down the cross. After that, the women said, the Anthonys and their friends pursued them out of the neighborhood.

The Anthonys' lawyer, Brad Conway, said the incident did not happen that way at that the women nearly ran over George Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19691148/detail.html

[BeastofBears]

Now where did I read this? ...I respect other's right to free speech and freedom of thought.... Oh yeah.

And isn't the jury going to wonder the same things we do?

The bailiff will need a flat bottomed shovel to scrape their jaws off the floor as they try to suss this out. And for the dandruff from scratching their heads in confusion. imo.

[BeastofBears]

Okay, now it begins.....

WESH stated that there is new information regarding the casey anthony defense team and they would report on it at 6 pm. They stated that the defense lawyers were going to question George and Cindy for information and would give the details at 6.

Gator

You think the worm is turning in their direction now, Gator?

[lorettalockhorn]

The bailiff will need a flat bottomed shovel to scrape their jaws off the floor as they try to suss this out. And for the dandruff from scratching their heads in confusion. imo.

Bailiff doesn't sit in on deliberations to my knowledge. I honestly think that the jury will try to make sense of this cluster. Maybe it's the trial that will be short and the deliberations that will be long!

[BeastofBears]

for heaven's sake! the Caylee Sunshine dollmaker is writing a book!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-doll-maker-book-060809,0,5842889.story

Will the avarice never end in this case?! imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

Still don't see anything at the WESH site about the Ants and the defense, but found this at Orlando Sentinel:

Hear the 911 call from the woman who claimed she was being chased by Casey Anthony's parents Audio

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-parents-no-charges-060809,0,4060688.story

[BeastofBears]

Bailiff doesn't sit in on deliberations to my knowledge. I honestly think that the jury will try to make sense of this cluster. Maybe it's the trial that will be short and the deliberations that will be long!

I wonder if the jury will be sending notes to the judge that just say "wtf?" They could easily go mad in this labyrinth. imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

for heaven's sake! the Caylee Sunshine dollmaker is writing a book!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-doll-maker-book-060809,0,5842889.story

Will the avarice never end in this case?! imo.

We may not know how Caylee died, but by God the knife twists in her back after death.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if the jury will be sending notes to the judge that just say "wtf?" They could easily go mad in this labyrinth. imo.

LMAO

Judge's answer: Beats the hell outta me!

[BeastofBears]

We may not know how Caylee died, but by God the knife twists in her back after death.

There is something so sickening about seeing a dead child used to make money. It's almost like a form of child labor...or slavery...if there's going to be any law to come of this, I would sure like to see a Caylee's law, where a murdered child's image could not be used to make money...for any reason. I just never thought such a law would ever be necessary, but I've never seen anything like this.

I actually fear there may be a copycat out there looking at their little one funny, you know? This has to stop, imo.

[BeastofBears]

OT, but hoo howdy, is NG ever raking Nevaeh's mom over the coals!!!!!

[Amy]

Great news that you're on the mend.

Found this on the WEST site:

No Charges To Be Filed Against Anthonys
Women Said Anthonys Chased Them From Memorial

ORLANDO, Fla. -- George and Cindy Anthony will not face charges in connection with a criminal complaint filed by a pair of local women last week, Orange County Sheriff's Department Corporal Susan Soto said.

The women filed a complaint saying that Cindy Anthony took down their memorial cross to Caylee, then, along with George Anthony, chased them out of the neighborhood.

George and Cindy Anthony are the parents of Casey Anthony, who is at the Orange County Jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area off Suburban Drive last December.

Monday night, Lois Peter and Denise Hill said they staked out the area along Suburban Drive to see who kept taking down their memorial crosses to Caylee. At around 10:30 p.m., they said they snapped a picture of George Anthony waiting in his vehicle while Cindy Anthony took down the cross. After that, the women said, the Anthonys and their friends pursued them out of the neighborhood.

The Anthonys' lawyer, Brad Conway, said the incident did not happen that way at that the women nearly ran over George Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19691148/detail.html

I think it was a draw--Lois Peter would be better off staying @ home keeping an eye on her granddaughter, monitoring her internet use, making sure she isn't being exposed on the internet thru webcam renditions of her acting ability and such. Perhaps, since it is well known by now that someone is going to continue removing things from the "crime scene" memorial, she would be better off finding another place, requesting permission of the owner, and place her memorials there. Continuing the back and forth @ that site isn't going to accomplish anything. IMO

Well, I guess it will keep the A's in the spotlight, and give a bit of a spotlight to Ms Peter, too. I guess if that is what she wants......??????

[Amy]

for heaven's sake! the Caylee Sunshine dollmaker is writing a book!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-doll-maker-book-060809,0,5842889.story

Will the avarice never end in this case?! imo.

I guess all people have different reading interests. But, really, what is the audience for someone detailing inspirations for dolls and toys? Now, if it was something about the history of the Matel corporation and the Barbie and GI Joe dolls and some of their games, I might pick it up and browse thru it @ the bookstore (don't know as I would put out any money to BUY it, tho.)

This is probably (hopefully) going to be one of those books where the majority sits in the authors garage, and he has to give out as Christmas presents to get rid of them.

Too bad there can't be a part of the book added about whether or not there were any monies going to childrens' organizations--and the organizations who declined his offer. Cuz of course he isn't going to put in there about the lawsuits to get his "inspirational" concoctions off the market. Maybe he has to write a book in order to offset the costs of the lawsuits?

[Amy]

Still don't see anything at the WESH site about the Ants and the defense, but found this at Orlando Sentinel:

Hear the 911 call from the woman who claimed she was being chased by Casey Anthony's parents Audio

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-casey-anthony-parents-no-charges-060809,0,4060688.story

:eek::eek::eek:
The poor dispatcher!!! Who could make heads nor tails of that call? Tell them to stop screaming!!!! There were FOUR women in the car? Guess the other 2 didn't want to take part in pressing charges, heck, no one could tell by news reports there were more than 2.

I know this is a high-profile case and all. But, there could be some @ the dispatch office who don't follow it all that closely. To just say George Anthony is in his "black car"??????? Uhmmm, lady, if George Anthony hasn't been doing something in his black car that would put people on the alert, even the police officers aren't just automatically know WHAT his black car is!!!! geeesh!!!!!!

[Amy]

I wonder if the jury will be sending notes to the judge that just say "wtf?" They could easily go mad in this labyrinth. imo.

Hopefully the prosecution will have everything, every timeline neatly chronicled for the jury to follow. I have a feeling, the way Baez presents himself in motions and all that, that the defense is going to be quite disjointed. If I were to listen to an orderly, easy to follow (well, as easy to follow as all this allows) presentation, and then to some mishmash, I'd be more likely to land on the side that I could understand. IMO

[Amy]

I'm a good listener Amy. But you're killin me! LMAO! I giggled more with every sentence! I think your cleaning girl is at a loss as to what the hell to do with housecleaning? Best you call in Merrry Maids and trust me, it will be cheaper. And the little putana's clean real good!

Cind: "Gawhead, go there. Make an ass of yourself on the thing." So Gator baptises the boat assonthething. There, that'll help you remember.


Dear God, make us good, but not yet. :hat:

Sure, and my life is a riot---have to laugh so as not to cry!!!

Sorry this was on this thread, I guess I tho't I was on the anything thread. :o

I'll do better @ remembering. That's a defect I have--kind of remember parts of things, and just make up the rest!!! lol

They still haven't put that boat out for the use it was intended, have they? Well, summer is on us, I am sure there will be opportunities, more people out on the waters? Altho, I guess in FL, people are out on the waters about year round? I wonder, tho. Perhaps, like the one several weeks ago where they (not the A's they, the beach patrol type they) had to rescue some people off a boat and I think one kid drowned....now, that wasn't MISSING children, just a boating accident, so maybe that is why they didn't assist? :flamemad:

[Mojo]

Sure, and my life is a riot---have to laugh so as not to cry!!!

Sorry this was on this thread, I guess I tho't I was on the anything thread. :o

I'll do better @ remembering. That's a defect I have--kind of remember parts of things, and just make up the rest!!! lol

They still haven't put that boat out for the use it was intended, have they? Well, summer is on us, I am sure there will be opportunities, more people out on the waters? Altho, I guess in FL, people are out on the waters about year round? I wonder, tho. Perhaps, like the one several weeks ago where they (not the A's they, the beach patrol type they) had to rescue some people off a boat and I think one kid drowned....now, that wasn't MISSING children, just a boating accident, so maybe that is why they didn't assist? :flamemad:

They didn't assist because there wasn't a bass tournament in the area.

[lorettalockhorn]

They didn't assist because there wasn't a bass tournament in the area.

Well, you can't exactly expect George to go out and make a bass of himself on the thing. :punch:

[deacon]

Well, you can't exactly expect George to go out and make a bass of himself on the thing. :punch:

Oh, I have been waiting for that remark patiently. I knew it would come.

BTW, if the a's can write a book and the "not so smart" bear guy can write a book, then maybe I should write one.

[BeastofBears]

Oh, I have been waiting for that remark patiently. I knew it would come.

BTW, if the a's can write a book and the "not so smart" bear guy can write a book, then maybe I should write one.

Go for it, deacon! (But I'll lay some odds that one of those books will be by a ghost writer and the other will be really bad. I'll let you guess which one I think is which!)

[Gatordog]

You think the worm is turning in their direction now, Gator?

Yup. I think that Casey is not going to rock the boat, but sink it.

[Gatordog]

OT, but hoo howdy, is NG ever raking Nevaeh's mom over the coals!!!!!

She was like a pit bull on a steak bone.

[Gatordog]

:eek::eek::eek:
The poor dispatcher!!! Who could make heads nor tails of that call? Tell them to stop screaming!!!! There were FOUR women in the car? Guess the other 2 didn't want to take part in pressing charges, heck, no one could tell by news reports there were more than 2.

I know this is a high-profile case and all. But, there could be some @ the dispatch office who don't follow it all that closely. To just say George Anthony is in his "black car"??????? Uhmmm, lady, if George Anthony hasn't been doing something in his black car that would put people on the alert, even the police officers aren't just automatically know WHAT his black car is!!!! geeesh!!!!!!

Granddaughter Dakotah was in the car.

[Gatordog]

Jose is still not prepared to discuss why the video tape shpuld not be released. All stall tactics. Enough is enough already.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19701850/detail.html

[deacon]

Jose is still not prepared to discuss why the video tape shpuld not be released. All stall tactics. Enough is enough already.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19701850/detail.html

That really isn't so hard to figure out Jose. We all know why you don't want it released. She didn't act that way when other things were found because she knew where Caylee was and that she had not been found. Now, in this case, again she knew where Caylee was and that she had been found.

[mu8shark]

Lee is so impressive, anyway. His statement about the "stain" in the trunk where he says, "we don't know if that is human or animal decomposition. Scientists can't differentiate on things like that." (paraphrased.) Uh, DR Lee, that is exactly what scientists do!!!! Any scintilla of respect I might have had left for Dr Lee went down the tubes with that most idiotic (IMO) statement. I know this is an older post but I just saw it when catching up. Dr Lee said what? What a boob. I am of course not a scientist but of course they can tell human from animal. He seems to be getting further and further away from the search for the truth in this trial and has turned into a complete media w h o r e who will say whatever for the team that pays him. Truly awful. Even an amateur knows this! Good ear Amy!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Nawny! NG was pretty good tonight. Mark Klaas's remarks were interesting about how much he hated the memorial site for Polly and was glad that it's gone. He's always gracious and understanding. To the best of my recollection he never destroyed any artifacts or harassed anyone for leaving memorials though. Enjoyed the handwriting guy too.

[lighthousedazy]

I know this is an older post but I just saw it when catching up. Dr Lee said what? What a boob. I am of course not a scientist but of course they can tell human from animal. He seems to be getting further and further away from the search for the truth in this trial and has turned into a complete media w h o r e who will say whatever for the team that pays him. Truly awful. Even an amateur knows this! Good ear Amy!
I agree, what an idiotic statement by a "forensic expert". In my simplistic opinion, if cadaver dogs can discern the scent of dead humans from that of dead animals, then expert forensic scientists can perform lab tests that can distinguish the difference. :shrug:

[Marian Paroo]

I loved the handwriting analyses. I love that stuff. He said (for those who didn't watch) that her writing was large, a sign of narcissism and being self absorbed. Also he said the fact that her words were all so close together means that she has no boundaries and doesn't know others have them. Then he said, she had her words uneven, which told him that she was out of control. Well Duh?

I have to go to the NG site and see her chew Buchanan up.
I missed it last night. Then off to crawl up the stairs.

:seeya:

I take handwriting analysis with a big pinch of salt.

Too many amateurs doing it, to many contradictions evern among the more skilled people.

Large handwriting I think is also a sign of childishness. I can see that in a coworker's handwriting, anyway. :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

They should have been arrested JUST FOR THAT ALONE! That screaming in the background was probably her (while they were being chased by the A's.) They're no better than the A's. How much money will they get for the picture of George? I'm already seeing it in my mind on the front page of the N Inquirer at the supermarket. Mission accomplished, I'd say. May karma not come and bite them in the ass. Poor Dakotah.

That caterwauling in the background may have been Dakota plying her trade. She's probably well indoctrinated to Lois's lifestyle. (Using the term style loosely.) You're so right about the ladies selling that pic; maybe that was part of the plan.

[Gatordog]

That caterwauling in the background may have been Dakota plying her trade. She's probably well indoctrinated to Lois's lifestyle. (Using the term style loosely.) You're so right about the ladies selling that pic; maybe that was part of the plan.

And the Ants took the "bait" so beautifully. It shows they aren't thinking straight, only revengefully. They could have asked the Homeowner's Association to monitor the site and remove any memorials that continue to be placed. Instead of doing it themselves, they could have made arrangements. For people who say they have never been there or seen the memorial, they spend a lot of time on surveillance. Instead of removing it in the dark secretly, they should have asked for help from people to remove it and put something else, such as planting a tree, in it's place. Rash decisions never end up well. When will these people stop and think about their actions before jumping in head first? :shrug:

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

And the Ants took the "bait" so beautifully. It shows they aren't thinking straight, only revengefully. They could have asked the Homeowner's Association to monitor the site and remove any memorials that continue to be placed. Instead of doing it themselves, they could have made arrangements. For people who say they have never been there or seen the memorial, they spend a lot of time on surveillance. Instead of removing it in the dark secretly, they should have asked for help from people to remove it and put something else, such as planting a tree, in it's place. Rash decisions never end up well. When will these people stop and think about their actions before jumping in head first? :shrug:

Gator

Well, I guess that makes Lois and her crew master baiters. Not sure what rights G&C or anyone else have to actually remove any memorials left behind, it's either on private property and they'd be trespassing, or it's on the public right of way. :shrug:

But what is truly amazing to me is that George has stated that he can't bear to be near the memorial, yet he's hyper-vigilant about who places what and when.

It's all just another hideous head that has sprouted from the hydra that is Caylee's murder.

[JLette]

And the Ants took the "bait" so beautifully. It shows they aren't thinking straight, only revengefully. They could have asked the Homeowner's Association to monitor the site and remove any memorials that continue to be placed. Instead of doing it themselves, they could have made arrangements. For people who say they have never been there or seen the memorial, they spend a lot of time on surveillance. Instead of removing it in the dark secretly, they should have asked for help from people to remove it and put something else, such as planting a tree, in it's place. Rash decisions never end up well. When will these people stop and think about their actions before jumping in head first? :shrug:

Gator

you hit the nail on the head there gator, that is obviously where they went wrong raising their kids too IMO

[BeastofBears]

"Anger, fear, aggression...the Dark Side are they..."

[deacon]

you hit the nail on the head there gator, that is obviously where they went wrong raising their kids too IMO

Instead of a "think, do" mentality they seem to have a "do, think" methodology. When one realizes, as they don't, that this mentality gets them in trouble all the need to do is heed the methods, Please, do think. Their tought process seems to stop at the end of their noses.

[old_soul]

Well, I guess that makes Lois and her crew master baiters. Not sure what rights G&C or anyone else have to actually remove any memorials left behind, it's either on private property and they'd be trespassing, or it's on the public right of way. :shrug:

But what is truly amazing to me is that George has stated that he can't bear to be near the memorial, yet he's hyper-vigilant about who places what and when.

It's all just another hideous head that has sprouted from the hydra that is Caylee's murder.

So true, Gumby woman, they lie so much and so well :rolleyes:, now if only they can remember their fricken lies.......we don't go near there, we do go there, don't go there, well sometimes.....pfft.

BTW who all caught E television and their special on Femme Killers?

The top 15, and just guess who's #1 ???? uh huh, Casey Anthony. Who, by the way, and I might add, beat out:

Susan Smith
Andrea Yates
Aileen Wurnos
Karla Holmoka
Betty Broderick

Oooo. No one likes Casey very much. http://i39.tinypic.com/oh4y2p.jpg

[BeastofBears]

No way, OS! There hasn't even been a trial and they named her #1?!

[BeastofBears]

OT there's been a shooting at the US holocaust museum....apparently a guy came in with a shotgun, tried to open fire and the security guards dropped him. gunman shot, one guard shot.

Good work security guys! :beer:

[deacon]

OT there's been a shooting at the US holocaust museum....apparently a guy came in with a shotgun, tried to open fire and the security guards dropped him. gunman shot, one guard shot.

Good work security guys! :beer:

Yep would have a been a bit better if the creep hadn't gotten off a shot first.

[old_soul]

No way, OS! There hasn't even been a trial and they named her #1?!

Yup! I hear you!

I briefly looked for a link, I'll find it... The title did not have 'killer' in it, can't remember the exact wording, Fatal Beauty or something like that, but ...look who's she's in there with, Susan Smith? Karla Holmoka? Karla Fay Tucker? Without saying it, we understand. The story on her wasn't exactly pro Casey....neither was the rest of the killer's stories they featured....
but yes, She's # 1.

Listings: http://www.tvguide.com/detail/tv-show.aspx?id=11209232&more=ucshowairings

A little bit about the 2 hour special ... http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2009/05/pat-brown-diane-fanning-on-e-networks.html

[BeastofBears]

Yep would have a been a bit better if the creep hadn't gotten off a shot first.

They're reporting that the guard who was shot is "grave", we know what that means. :mad:

[One2Snoop]

Officer: Anthony Wanted To See Remains Coverage
Corrections Officer Says Anthony Knew Something Was Happening

POSTED: 12:12 pm EDT June 10, 2009
UPDATED: 12:48 pm EDT June 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An Orange County corrections officer testified under oath that Casey Anthony wanted to watch TV on the day her daughter's remains were found.

Anthony is at the Orange County Jail charged with murder in her daughter, Caylee's death. Caylee's remains were eventually identified late last year. They were found in a wooded area near the Anthony family home.

Officer Billy Richardson said that Anthony knew something was going on that day, even though it was not known at the time that the remains were Caylee.

In his deposition, Richardson said, "When I went down there to get her and told her to go to the clinic, she was listening to the radio."

He claims her reply back was "Good, because there something going on and I want to watch TV to know about it."

Jail guards videotaped her reaction to the news when she told Richardson she felt sick to her stomach.

Her attorney is trying to delay any decision on the potential release of that tape.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19713862/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Officer: Anthony Wanted To See Remains Coverage
Corrections Officer Says Anthony Knew Something Was Happening

POSTED: 12:12 pm EDT June 10, 2009
UPDATED: 12:48 pm EDT June 10, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An Orange County corrections officer testified under oath that Casey Anthony wanted to watch TV on the day her daughter's remains were found.

Anthony is at the Orange County Jail charged with murder in her daughter, Caylee's death. Caylee's remains were eventually identified late last year. They were found in a wooded area near the Anthony family home.

Officer Billy Richardson said that Anthony knew something was going on that day, even though it was not known at the time that the remains were Caylee.

In his deposition, Richardson said, "When I went down there to get her and told her to go to the clinic, she was listening to the radio."

He claims her reply back was "Good, because there something going on and I want to watch TV to know about it."

Jail guards videotaped her reaction to the news when she told Richardson she felt sick to her stomach.

Her attorney is trying to delay any decision on the potential release of that tape.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19713862/detail.html

Okay, so she got her wish and was allowed to watch. She would have been observed whether she was videotaped or not. And if there is not presumption of privacy even in her cell, what expectation does she have outside her cell unless it's attorney/client or physician/patient? How can videotaping her be any more cruel and inhuman (or however Baez categorizes it) than mere visual observance by staff? :shrug:

[deacon]

Okay, so she got her wish and was allowed to watch. She would have been observed whether she was videotaped or not. And if there is not presumption of privacy even in her cell, what expectation does she have outside her cell unless it's attorney/client or physician/patient? How can videotaping her be any more cruel and inhuman (or however Baez categorizes it) than mere visual observance by staff? :shrug:

Defense Lawyer's smoke and mirrors. Some time called fertilizer from a bull.:D

[One2Snoop]

Baez Demands P.I.'s Phone Records
New Motion Calls For Dominic Casey's Personal Phone Records

POSTED: Wednesday, June 10, 2009
UPDATED: 2:18 pm EDT June 10, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- In a new motion, Casey Anthony's defense team is demanding that a private investigator hand over his phone records.

The motion does not specifically accuse private investigator Dominic Casey of wrongdoing, but it does raise questions about his honesty and his repeated visits to the woods where Caylee Anthony's remains were later found, Local 6 reporter Mike DeForest said.

Caylee was reported missing in July and Casey, who was working for Anthony's defense team at the time, visited the woods off Suburban Drive on at least three different occasions in the month before Caylee's body was found nearby. Casey now works for the Anthony family.

Defense attorney Jose Baez filed the new motion Wednesday, which is demanding Casey's private cell phone records. Baez said Casey gave inconsistent statements about who is seen speaking on the phone with in a video recording of one of his searches.

Casey originally told Local 6 he was speaking to his daughter, but the private eye later told detectives he was on the phone with a psychic who allegedly told him where to find Caylee's body.

Another private investigator who worked with Casey, Jim Hoover, claimed Casey knew where Caylee's remains were hidden. Hoover shot the video of Casey on his phone while searching the woods.

Casey's attorney said the motion is a simple dispute over phone records and she hopes Anthony's defense team is not trying to implicate her client in a crime. She said she has worked out an agreement with Baez to turn over phone records.

The Florida Bar is investigating complaints filed against Baez by Casey. Casey said Baez told him not to call 911 if he found Caylee's body. Baez has disputed that claim.

Casey Anthony is being held at the Orange County Jail on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19714691/detail.html

[BeastofBears]

Whoa! Now if that isn't defamation, I don't know what the Hell is!!! They actually listed her amongst killers! No doubt Mark Klass says it almost every night, "She KILLED her daughter" I don't understand the liability BS about opinions and clear cut accusations.

I'm all confused.

Since its all civil, I think people saying such things simply puts the option of suing on the table. It doesn't automatically mean its going to happen. Another thing is, the truth is a defense. So what Mark Klass is saying is fine, IF she is convicted. The fact that he's saying it tells me he's pretty sure that will happen.

All imo.

[BeastofBears]

They're reporting that the guard who was shot is "grave", we know what that means. :mad:

Yep. Stephen Johns :rose:

[deacon]

Baez Demands P.I.'s Phone Records
New Motion Calls For Dominic Casey's Personal Phone Records

POSTED: Wednesday, June 10, 2009
UPDATED: 2:18 pm EDT June 10, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- In a new motion, Casey Anthony's defense team is demanding that a private investigator hand over his phone records.

The motion does not specifically accuse private investigator Dominic Casey of wrongdoing, but it does raise questions about his honesty and his repeated visits to the woods where Caylee Anthony's remains were later found, Local 6 reporter Mike DeForest said.

Caylee was reported missing in July and Casey, who was working for Anthony's defense team at the time, visited the woods off Suburban Drive on at least three different occasions in the month before Caylee's body was found nearby. Casey now works for the Anthony family.

Defense attorney Jose Baez filed the new motion Wednesday, which is demanding Casey's private cell phone records. Baez said Casey gave inconsistent statements about who is seen speaking on the phone with in a video recording of one of his searches.

Casey originally told Local 6 he was speaking to his daughter, but the private eye later told detectives he was on the phone with a psychic who allegedly told him where to find Caylee's body.

Another private investigator who worked with Casey, Jim Hoover, claimed Casey knew where Caylee's remains were hidden. Hoover shot the video of Casey on his phone while searching the woods.

Casey's attorney said the motion is a simple dispute over phone records and she hopes Anthony's defense team is not trying to implicate her client in a crime. She said she has worked out an agreement with Baez to turn over phone records.

The Florida Bar is investigating complaints filed against Baez by Casey. Casey said Baez told him not to call 911 if he found Caylee's body. Baez has disputed that claim.

Casey Anthony is being held at the Orange County Jail on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19714691/detail.html

It would be really bad if he was talking to one of he ant's now wouldn't it

[lorettalockhorn]

It would be really bad if he was talking to one of he ant's now wouldn't it

Bad, yes. Surprising? No.

[deacon]

Bad, yes. Surprising? No.

Oh, I agree. I think they knew where she was. I know casey knew. The evidence is on video.;)

[BeastofBears]

It would be really bad if he was talking to one of he ant's now wouldn't it

Moves are starting to be made. I keep thinking of Cindy all teary at that last hearing.

Does anyone else remember Casey saying something like, 'don't worry mom I didn't tell them anything'? I think I remember that in one of the jail meeting videos, but I could be wrong...

[Nawny]

It would be really bad if he was talking to one of he ant's now wouldn't it

Heh... I do wonder why Jose wants Cindy and George's phone records. Is it to rule out that they were on the phone with D. Casey, or is Jose and Casey preparing to hang Cindy and George? I keep saying this but, I still feel Jose is building a case to defuse the DP by trying to convince the jury/judge that Cindy drove Casey crazy.

Grund did say that there are 2 Caseys/ which means she flipped out somewhere along the line. She can say she went batty and did not know what she was doing... and she went batty because her mother was so tyrannical that she made it impossible for her to continue living there and impossible to leave. She can blame her fight or flight mechanism. I know I keep repeating myself. I don't know any other defense once sentencing time comes. We know they will find her guilty IMO and so they need a counteraction against the DP. I believe Cindy will be IT. And they can compare their thoughts to her behaviors on tape at the depo and lots of others too. She is a control freak, that's apparent.

[Nawny]

She was like a pit bull on a steak bone.

I found the clips of that intervew Gator but there were 8 parts and my computer kept choking up. I was trying to play them and saw the beginning of the video but it wasn't that bad... I know she went off and left, but I didn't see the real reason. I'll try again another time. I wanted to see her go after that steak bone. Grr..

[BeastofBears]

I found the clips of that intervew Gator but there were 8 parts and my computer kept choking up. I was trying to play them and saw the beginning of the video but it wasn't that bad... I know she went off and left, but I didn't see the real reason. I'll try again another time. I wanted to see her go after that steak bone. Grr..

Just jump into part 4 or 5. By that point NG was really going for it. She shredded. imo, lol!

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, I agree. I think they knew where she was. I know casey knew. The evidence is on video.;)

Hayell yes. And Baez says that Casey was denied right to counsel that day; I wanna know why he was tearing his shirt to get to the jail and talk to her.

[BeastofBears]

Hayell yes. And Baez says that Casey was denied right to counsel that day; I wanna know why he was tearing his shirt to get to the jail and talk to her.


Always asking questions to which you already know the answers:D

[Amy]

Granddaughter Dakotah was in the car.

So, four women AND Dakota, or 3 and Dakota? Never mind. I wouldn't put it past them for it to have been the 2 ladies, and Dakota and a friend, you know, to expose her friend to they ways of confrontation. So, Dakota's about 13 now? While allowing her to set a vigil for Caylee was a postive thing for a girl to do, I really don't think putting up crosses and lying in wait to see who will remove them so pics can be taken is really teaching her anything positive.

Better she should be going to a Girl Scout meeting, or swimming @ the Y or something along those lines.

Wonder if the A's and Milsteads go by the memorial site routinely, or if someone tipped them off to the fact that more crosses had been erected? Hmmmm, like one of the four ladies in the group? Seems kind of weird that the A's and Milsteads would meander by in TWO vehicles. One would think, if they were going to check on the site, as in routinely, they would have been in the same vehicle. Methinks they were expecting confrontation of some point, to go in two. IMO

[BeastofBears]

*snip* a postive thing for a girl to do, I really don't think putting up crosses and lying in wait to see who will remove them*snip*

Heehee, makes Dakota sound like Buffy the Vampire Slayer!

[One2Snoop]

Facebook group to hold Caylee Marie Anthony vigil

Willoughby Mariano | Sentinel Staff Writer
7:10 PM EDT, June 10, 2009

A Facebook group formed in memory of slain toddler Caylee Marie Anthony is organizing a vigil to commemorate the one-year anniversary of her disappearance, an organizer said.

The vigil, run by In Memory of Caylee Marie Anthony, will take place 6 p.m. June 16 at Jay Blanchard Park, said Scotti Simpson, the group's organizer.

They hope to meet at a pavilion there, but are still raising money for the $125 rental, Simpson said.

Caylee Marie was reported missing July 2008, but had not been seen at her Hopespring Drive home for more than a month. The girl's remains were found in December, and her mother Casey Anthony faces a murder charge in her death.

Richard Grund, who at one time thought he might be the grandfather of Caylee, is speaking at the event.

The public is welcome.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-facebook-vigil-061009,0,2369525.story

[Gatordog]

Oh, I agree. I think they knew where she was. I know casey knew. The evidence is on video.;)

Did you see NG this weekend? It was the one where she just shows the jailhouse visits. George states that at night, he feels Caylee is close and he looks at the stars like he did every night with her. Doggone right she was close. And he was looking at the stars with her, she was practically there with him. And, he was parking his mobile billboard practically on her.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Facebook group to hold Caylee Marie Anthony vigil

Willoughby Mariano | Sentinel Staff Writer
7:10 PM EDT, June 10, 2009

A Facebook group formed in memory of slain toddler Caylee Marie Anthony is organizing a vigil to commemorate the one-year anniversary of her disappearance, an organizer said.

The vigil, run by In Memory of Caylee Marie Anthony, will take place 6 p.m. June 16 at Jay Blanchard Park, said Scotti Simpson, the group's organizer.

They hope to meet at a pavilion there, but are still raising money for the $125 rental, Simpson said.

Caylee Marie was reported missing July 2008, but had not been seen at her Hopespring Drive home for more than a month. The girl's remains were found in December, and her mother Casey Anthony faces a murder charge in her death.

Richard Grund, who at one time thought he might be the grandfather of Caylee, is speaking at the event.

The public is welcome.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-facebook-vigil-061009,0,2369525.story

I will go and represent us. I'll bring the camera too. I'm not getting too close to that Lois woman though. I don't want to get slugged by mistake when Cindy shows up. :chicken:

[Gatordog]

So, four women AND Dakota, or 3 and Dakota? Never mind. I wouldn't put it past them for it to have been the 2 ladies, and Dakota and a friend, you know, to expose her friend to they ways of confrontation. So, Dakota's about 13 now? While allowing her to set a vigil for Caylee was a postive thing for a girl to do, I really don't think putting up crosses and lying in wait to see who will remove them so pics can be taken is really teaching her anything positive.

Better she should be going to a Girl Scout meeting, or swimming @ the Y or something along those lines.

Wonder if the A's and Milsteads go by the memorial site routinely, or if someone tipped them off to the fact that more crosses had been erected? Hmmmm, like one of the four ladies in the group? Seems kind of weird that the A's and Milsteads would meander by in TWO vehicles. One would think, if they were going to check on the site, as in routinely, they would have been in the same vehicle. Methinks they were expecting confrontation of some point, to go in two. IMO

It was Lois, her daughter, Dakota and a friend.

[BeastofBears]

I will go and represent us. I'll bring the camera too. I'm not getting too close to that Lois woman though. I don't want to get slugged by mistake when Cindy shows up. :chicken:

:D But DO get close enough to get some action shots!

[Amy]

:D But DO get close enough to get some action shots!

Yes!!! And, maybe a video camera in case something "interesting" goes on.

[Gatordog]

Doc Dump on Friday, 1,000 pages including autopsy results.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19724301/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Yes!!! And, maybe a video camera in case something "interesting" goes on.

Not a problem. :beer:

[Gatordog]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

[beemer]

I will go and represent us. I'll bring the camera too. I'm not getting too close to that Lois woman though. I don't want to get slugged by mistake when Cindy shows up. :chicken:

You are just the best Gator-bless you :rose: We will be there in spirit. No stay away from em all. At least C wont have to worry bout Lois biting her if they do battle :eek:

[beemer]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

And who the hay would force them to read it anyways :cuss: Worried bout there darling daughter again :flamemad: Finally a dump day coming :beer:

[JLette]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

well for god's sake its not as if there is going to be any CAUSE of death anyway right? i mean, with skeletal remains unless there was extensive trauma to the victim no cause would show up on autopsy am i wrong here? i think they just are tired of all these doc dumps airing all their dirty laundry for the public to read at their leisure

[Justice Denied?]

I will go and represent us. I'll bring the camera too. I'm not getting too close to that Lois woman though. I don't want to get slugged by mistake when Cindy shows up. :chicken:

Can't really tell you how much I appreciate ALL you have done to represent those of us at CL that can't be there. Just one question: How could that Lois woman possibly suspect you of looking like Cindy? Is there ANY physical resemblance?

[Justice Denied?]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

While they are experiencing all this anguish, why don't they wake up and realize Casey is the cause of this anguish? Why can't they do something right by Caylee?

[beemer]

What one would think would bother them more is living so close to where their daughter dumped their granddaughter. Also in all likelyhood she was murdered in the house they continue to live in??? Dont buy their explanation one iota. MOO IMO IMHO

[beemer]

Can't really tell you how much I appreciate ALL you have done to represent those of us at CL that can't be there. Just one question: How could that Lois woman possibly suspect you of looking like Cindy? Is there ANY physical resemblance?

Naw gator is HOT Lois is NOT. In case she doesn't duck in time :biggrin:

[Gatordog]

Can't really tell you how much I appreciate ALL you have done to represent those of us at CL that can't be there. Just one question: How could that Lois woman possibly suspect you of looking like Cindy? Is there ANY physical resemblance?

None whatsoever. I was concerned that Cindy would show up and start swinging and hit whoever was closest. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

You are just the best Gator-bless you :rose: We will be there in spirit. No stay away from em all. At least C wont have to worry bout Lois biting her if they do battle :eek:

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Gatordog]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

I like the comments that were written. Read them.

I like the one where G&C are told they need to get a job so they don't have time to watch TV or read the internet to spare them the anguish.

[Gatordog]

And who the hay would force them to read it anyways :cuss: Worried bout there darling daughter again :flamemad: Finally a dump day coming :beer:

I think it's going to be a very informative docdump. Supposedly, I read that Dr. G gives her opinion of how Caylee was killed. Glad it's on a Friday, we can "talk" all night about what is released.

[beemer]

I think it's going to be a very informative docdump. Supposedly, I read that Dr. G gives her opinion of how Caylee was killed. Glad it's on a Friday, we can "talk" all night about what is released.

I sure hope so-and who can dispute the findings of Dr. G. Glad it was her. Dang i have all these days off but work at 4 tomorrow. Usually they start releasing around noonish dont they?

[Amy]

Naw gator is HOT Lois is NOT. In case she doesn't duck in time :biggrin:

Would you be saying Gator is a 10, but Lois is more like a 2? (If that's how Cindy compared the 2 ZFG's) :biggrin:

[Amy]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

I like the comments that were written. Read them.

I like the one where G&C are told they need to get a job so they don't have time to watch TV or read the internet to spare them the anguish.

I agree, on both accounts. Having a job would not only pay the bills (but, I guess, if someone else is, or the money is coming in some other way, why bother?) but getting up and going to work every day would take their minds off of their situation @ least for a time. Or, it should, if they pay attention to the work they would be doing.

And, it's quite unreasonable that nothing would be shown on tv or written in the papers, so it would be best to not watch channels that will be carrying the case, or @ least specific shows. The same w/going to message boards. If they have ever posted on message boards, they know what kinds of things are posted....speculations on what happened, who was involved, what is in the lives of the people that are being speculated about. If they have never been, best if they find a message board, they should scoot out as soon as they come across it. Someone surely must be directing families of victims and/or suspects if they have never been on the boards prior. Otherwise, one would think they would be too wrapped up in the case in person to sit down and browse the internet to "accidently" find message boards that cover crimes. IMO

[Amy]

I think it's going to be a very informative docdump. Supposedly, I read that Dr. G gives her opinion of how Caylee was killed. Glad it's on a Friday, we can "talk" all night about what is released.

Not all of us--vacation is over. I start the first of three 12 hours shifts tonight.
:mad: Hope I get called off!!!

[beemer]

Would you be saying Gator is a 10, but Lois is more like a 2? (If that's how Cindy compared the 2 ZFG's) :biggrin:

Yep that would be the definition :biggrin:Cindyism

[lorettalockhorn]

Always asking questions to which you already know the answers:D

Hey, who you calling obsessed?! :hat:

Wouldn't it be funny if Baez keeps on ragging about the tape and Casey being denied her right to counsel until if becomes obvious that Baez also knew where Caylee was and was trying to get Casey out of view before she found out? Well, I think it would be hilarious.

[lorettalockhorn]

I will go and represent us. I'll bring the camera too. I'm not getting too close to that Lois woman though. I don't want to get slugged by mistake when Cindy shows up. :chicken:

Thanks, Gator! Bet G&C won't deign to go, but you should probably steer clear of Lowest just in case.

[lorettalockhorn]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

Gee, maybe G&C should have thought about raising their malignant narcissist daughter in a state without a sunshine law. It's disgusting to me that they are making Caylee's death about them. THEY don't HAVE to read the autopsy report. But they will just so they can complain and so Cindy can memorize page numbers for Mr. Morgan.

[lorettalockhorn]

You are just the best Gator-bless you :rose: We will be there in spirit. No stay away from em all. At least C wont have to worry bout Lois biting her if they do battle :eek:

Oh no you dint! :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it's going to be a very informative docdump. Supposedly, I read that Dr. G gives her opinion of how Caylee was killed. Glad it's on a Friday, we can "talk" all night about what is released.

Dr. G's opinion might be the most interesting part.

[lorettalockhorn]

Would you be saying Gator is a 10, but Lois is more like a 2? (If that's how Cindy compared the 2 ZFG's) :biggrin:

You're killing me here! :tongue:

[Amy]

Thanks, Gator! Bet G&C won't deign to go, but you should probably steer clear of Lowest just in case.

Oh, I can see them going. To protest that THEY are the only ones who can set up and authorize a vigil or memorial or anything else for their Caylee!!!! (But, you know, people surely need to donate to them, so they can fund one!!!!) IMO

[BeastofBears]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

The "anguish" will be in "having" to read all of the posts on certain sites where people might speak the painful truth, imo.

And I guess they read it already since they know there is something anguishing in it, imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, I can see them going. To protest that THEY are the only ones who can set up and authorize a vigil or memorial or anything else for their Caylee!!!! (But, you know, people surely need to donate to them, so they can fund one!!!!) IMO

That'd be like them. I'm waiting for them to copyright Caylee's name so that no one can utter it without paying a licensing fee.

[BeastofBears]

So, no autopsy report: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-autopsy-documents-61109,0,5615388.story

Does anyone else love this quote like I do? "For reasons unknown to the court the motion was served only upon the State Attorney's Office," Strickland wrote in the order. "The real party in interest in this matter is the various news media." (Strickland's got the snark on!)

Or this from the motion? "Releasing the autopsy report to the media at this point in time causes endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums, such as the Internet. "

Heaven forbid people exercise their right to freedom of thought and speech.

IMO, MOO, etc.

[lorettalockhorn]

The "anguish" will be in "having" to read all of the posts on certain sites where people might speak the painful truth, imo.

And I guess they read it already since they know there is something anguishing in it, imo.

I thought we had had some toxicology results before, but the click Orlando article says the documents could include toxicology. It seems to me that LE seized Cindy's medications, maybe she's worried those will show up. It would make her look bad if Caylee had been dosed with her own prescription meds and she didn't notice and/or put a stop to it.

[BeastofBears]

I thought we had had some toxicology results before, but the click Orlando article says the documents could include toxicology. It seems to me that LE seized Cindy's medications, maybe she's worried those will show up. It would make her look bad if Caylee had been dosed with her own prescription meds and she didn't notice and/or put a stop to it.

Remember her crying at the last hearing? Could she have seen the discovery just before the hearing, I wonder? moo.

[lorettalockhorn]

So, no autopsy report: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-autopsy-documents-61109,0,5615388.story

Does anyone else love this quote like I do? "For reasons unknown to the court the motion was served only upon the State Attorney's Office," Strickland wrote in the order. "The real party in interest in this matter is the various news media." (Strickland's got the snark on!)

Or this from the motion? "Releasing the autopsy report to the media at this point in time causes endless comment and speculation in the media and public forums, such as the Internet. "

Heaven forbid people exercise their right to freedom of thought and speech.

IMO, MOO, etc.

Mark Eiglarsh (sp?) had some interesting comments on Prime News regarding release of documents and the sunshine laws. Basically he was saying that the public has a right to know exactly how the court/justice system functions. To me it also goes to the efficacy of elected officials. Tax dollars at work and all.

Does the judge think that the autopsy results will be any different from anything else that's discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum? Should it be? Before Al Gore invented the internet ;) people discussed cases at coffee klatches. How is that different?

[BeastofBears]

Mark Eiglarsh (sp?) had some interesting comments on Prime News regarding release of documents and the sunshine laws. Basically he was saying that the public has a right to know exactly how the court/justice system functions. To me it also goes to the efficacy of elected officials. Tax dollars at work and all.

Does the judge think that the autopsy results will be any different from anything else that's discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum? Should it be? Before Al Gore invented the internet ;) people discussed cases at coffee klatches. How is that different?

Exactly. I look on this as a long-distance cafe kvetch, with people at the other tables possibly eavesdropping.

I bet this will be included in a hearing along with the video release, since its all media related, and both will be released. IMO. Unless Stall King finds another way to put it all off. IMO, MOO, IMHO. bleh.

[beemer]

I thought we had had some toxicology results before, but the click Orlando article says the documents could include toxicology. It seems to me that LE seized Cindy's medications, maybe she's worried those will show up. It would make her look bad if Caylee had been dosed with her own prescription meds and she didn't notice and/or put a stop to it.

Do you remember a pic of a vanity area in the Ant's bedroom? I remember it vividly but i cant remember when the photo was taken. What i do remember is there being ALOT of pills on that counter. At least i thought it was alot.

[beemer]

Now what could that autopsy report contain that would be so upsetting? We know that poor child was skeletonized by then????? Hmmmmm :confused:

[BeastofBears]

Now what could that autopsy report contain that would be so upsetting? We know that poor child was skeletonized by then????? Hmmmmm :confused:

Although they cannot prove a COD, apparently the coroner offered a very strong opinion of what the cause was. per WESH or Orlando Sentinel, can't remember which. But that could be upsetting. But the motion implies that more than the information IN the report, its the fact that people will talk about it that's the problem, is how I read it. all moo.

[Nawny]

I will go and represent us. I'll bring the camera too. I'm not getting too close to that Lois woman though. I don't want to get slugged by mistake when Cindy shows up. :chicken:

Wear a big straw hat and big sunglasses. :-) The cement head will recognise you!

[Nawny]

George and Cindy don't want the autopsy results released prior to the trial because of the great anguish it will cause them. What? They don't already know she was murdered? How about the anguish poor Caylee suffered? How could this be more difficult than the days when she was thought missing? Let's be honest here, seems like they are more concerned about the publicity it will bring to their daughter's case. Just more wood to the fire. :punch:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html


Is anyone tired of what the Anthony's WANT? Jesus lord above us! Will they ever shut the eff up?

[beemer]

Is anyone tired of what the Anthony's WANT? Jesus lord above us! Will they ever shut the eff up?
Oh yeah-Its all about ME and WE :cuss::cuss: Cant WE the public sue them for pain and suffering :flamemad:

[Nawny]

well for god's sake its not as if there is going to be any CAUSE of death anyway right? i mean, with skeletal remains unless there was extensive trauma to the victim no cause would show up on autopsy am i wrong here? i think they just are tired of all these doc dumps airing all their dirty laundry for the public to read at their leisure

I think you're right about them trying to save face. But the real issue maybe is, there will be a serious mob mentality. These people are going to get tarred and feathered by the fanatics who hate them if more comes out to prove liar's guilt. They could be in some danger. I hope they have police protection. There are some dangerous whack jobs out there and one of them is apt to go postal. They'd better either move, or lay low. It's a crazy world.

THe other thing that bugs me is Dr G's take on Caylee's death. She said, the death was caused by homicide. Well, hello? Her bones were found in a bag in the mud. She wouldn't have been found there if her death was caused by the measles. :mad:

I just threw my hand up. Is there a throw your hand up smiley?

[Nawny]

Mark Eiglarsh (sp?) had some interesting comments on Prime News regarding release of documents and the sunshine laws. Basically he was saying that the public has a right to know exactly how the court/justice system functions. To me it also goes to the efficacy of elected officials. Tax dollars at work and all.

Does the judge think that the autopsy results will be any different from anything else that's discussed ad nauseum, ad infinitum? Should it be? Before Al Gore invented the internet ;) people discussed cases at coffee klatches. How is that different?


Thank Youuuuuuu! :beer:

[Gatordog]

Is anyone tired of what the Anthony's WANT? Jesus lord above us! Will they ever shut the eff up?

Another beautiful painting.

Yes, it seems the world revolves around Cindy, or she thinks it does. The motion was filed against the State. I think the judge is getting tired of all these attorneys making mistakes. The State releases these docs as per the law.

[Nawny]

Exactly. I look on this as a long-distance cafe kvetch, with people at the other tables possibly eavesdropping.

I bet this will be included in a hearing along with the video release, since its all media related, and both will be released. IMO. Unless Stall King finds another way to put it all off. IMO, MOO, IMHO. bleh.

LMAO!!!! I can't stop laughing at .. bleh... I know exactly how you feel.. LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!!!! You are too funny!

[Gatordog]

I think you're right about them trying to save face. But the real issue maybe is, there will be a serious mob mentality. These people are going to get tarred and feathered by the fanatics who hate them if more comes out to prove liar's guilt. They could be in some danger. I hope they have police protection. There are some dangerous whack jobs out there and one of them is apt to go postal. They'd better either move, or lay low. It's a crazy world.

THe other thing that bugs me is Dr G's take on Caylee's death. She said, the death was caused by homicide. Well, hello? Her bones were found in a bag in the mud. She wouldn't have been found there if her death was caused by the measles. :mad:

I just threw my hand up. Is there a throw your hand up smiley?

:shrug:

[DrewBerry]

Is anyone tired of what the Anthony's WANT? Jesus lord above us! Will they ever shut the eff up?

Hi Nawny! :seeya:WTF! Here we go again. . .and no, they will never shut the F up! Remember when they had to delay the depos because they were "too distressed?" These Ants. need a judge to shut them up.They've already been given enough free passes. NOBODY CARES WHAT THEY WANT! It all goes back to Cindy's need for control. She has George and Brad and Lee whipped! Bet she can't do the same to the judge. That's what Cindy and the Liar have in common: they both think they are smarter than everyone else.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Now what could that autopsy report contain that would be so upsetting? We know that poor child was skeletonized by then????? Hmmmmm :confused:

Good evening, Beemers! If you ask me, nothing seems to upset Cindy. Her affect remains flat at all times except when she's raging about protecting her murderer daughter. I have never seen her cry for Caylee. I have never seen her break down and sob when the body was found. Even before Caylee's body was found, she was in Caylee's bedroom doing a video for Greta (I think). She never smiled, laughed, cried, or broke down. Her facial expression remained flat. This is hogwash about being upset about autopsy report. She has no feelings except rage that her daughter is making her look like a bad parent. :flamemad:JMO.
DrewB

[Nawny]

Another beautiful painting.

Yes, it seems the world revolves around Cindy, or she thinks it does. The motion was filed against the State. I think the judge is getting tired of all these attorneys making mistakes. The State releases these docs as per the law.

Ooo,no, no painting.. that's a picture of Federal Hill the little Italy area in Providence. That's a fountain where all the mob money gets thrown in for wishes. ;) There are a few restaurants in that piazza and the one we go to all the time is called, Dolce Vita. LOL! Of all things. I'll take you there Gator. I'll take all of you there if you come to nawny's house :) Come on! I got cookies and I got meatballs! You come, I feed you!

I'm working on two paintings and when they are finished I'll put them up. You inspired both my friend. :)

[beemer]

Hi Nawny! :seeya:WTF! Here we go again. . .and no, they will never shut the F up! Remember when they had to delay the depos because they were "too distressed?" These Ants. need a judge to shut them up.They've already been given enough free passes. NOBODY CARES WHAT THEY WANT! It all goes back to Cindy's need for control. She has George and Brad and Lee whipped! Bet she can't do the same to the judge. That's what Cindy and the Liar have in common: they both think they are smarter than everyone else.
DrewB
Hey Drew :seeya: Ready for the doc dump? Finally. It's kinda neat that their shared trait is what will eventually destroy them. We know Brad's back is better so what is holding up the civil ??????

[BeastofBears]

Oh yeah-Its all about ME and WE :cuss::cuss: Cant WE the public sue them for pain and suffering :flamemad:

How long is it going to take everyone to realize it's all about ME?

[beemer]

How long is it going to take everyone to realize it's all about ME?

No No it's all about ME ME ME :D Ok Ok now that we wont get a look at the autopsy report tomorrow its only going to get the wheels spinning and yes we will continue to chat and prolly speculate. Spinning as i type.

[beemer]

If ya didnt catch NG tonight re: this case be sure to read the transcript. It was classic. If the reports are true. Liar is screaming Caylee's name,doing jumping jacks,quietly reading her law books etc. etc. She wants the trial moved to Miami so when it's over she can go to the beach to work on her tan. Liar could not hang herself anymore if we handed her a noose. Sue Moss-gotta luv her thinks that there is some very important info in that autopsy report. MOO

[mu8shark]

Now what could that autopsy report contain that would be so upsetting? We know that poor child was skeletonized by then????? Hmmmmm :confused: I completely disagree with Susan Moss saying there will be major bombshells from that autopsy report. The ME already said there was no cause of death and it stands to reason as you say the body was skeltonized. Short of something shocking in the toxicology reports they are not going to be able to suddenly come up with a cause of death. It is my prediction it will be a major nonbombshell, at least for most of us who will end up saying, Yeah we knew that, we heard that, etc. I think rather that the Anthonys and Baez have all become somewhat obstinate on every single point in the case and media interest. I mean really about that makeshift memorial, does it really matter in the scheme of things if someone is leaving a few stuffed animals? With all that is going on and all they have to worry about they are spending their time on stealing the memorial gifts. It is idiotic and a real sign of Cindy'/s need to control EVERYTHING! And Baez is showing signs of focusing on too many side shows, that damned jail tape could cut either way I think and is not the whole case, yet Baez is acting like it is the only major evidence. It may not be evidence at all depending on what the jurors think. Some may see it as grief, others as guilt, some even may see it is just a video with no real tell. He also was going to sue the guards for talking and even at one time mentioned how some in the media would be dealt with, It might behoove him to focus on the case itself.

[mu8shark]

If ya didnt catch NG tonight re: this case be sure to read the transcript. It was classic. If the reports are true. Liar is screaming Caylee's name,doing jumping jacks,quietly reading her law books etc. etc. She wants the trial moved to Miami so when it's over she can go to the beach to work on her tan. Liar could not hang herself anymore if we handed her a noose. Sue Moss-gotta luv her thinks that there is some very important info in that autopsy report. MOOYeah I saw it and you know what I am glad Nancy and Leonard both pointed out that an insanity defense can;t even be introduced in the guilt or innocence phase unless she admits she did it If she keeps insisting she did not do it, then her insanity will not even be an issue in the guilt or innocence phase unless they intend to say she did not grieve properly because she is crazy and that is a stretch. It is a little f ing late of Casey to be playing crazy now. I mean, while a few of her friends talked about her having a breakdown or saying she was going to, the day after she was fine and dandy. Nobody seems to have observed her having delusions or psychotic breaks so all of a sudden she behaves crazy in jail. Wow that is new! NOT! A jury will not buy that. And she will not say she did it, so she is wasting her time acting crazy if that is what she is trying to do. I personally hope she is being haunted every f ing night in her dreams and in her daydreams by that adorable child. Surely if she is reading law books and can comprehend them at all she realizes she can't go for a defense where she says Okay jury, I did not do it or I am crazy and maybe I did it and let the jury choose those options. . She has to admit she did it period to make all this insanity stuff even relevant . I wonder if maybe she knows how this will all go down and is just boning up on crazy behavior for the penalty phase.

[mu8shark]

I think you're right about them trying to save face. But the real issue maybe is, there will be a serious mob mentality. These people are going to get tarred and feathered by the fanatics who hate them if more comes out to prove liar's guilt. They could be in some danger. I hope they have police protection. There are some dangerous whack jobs out there and one of them is apt to go postal. They'd better either move, or lay low. It's a crazy world.

THe other thing that bugs me is Dr G's take on Caylee's death. She said, the death was caused by homicide. Well, hello? Her bones were found in a bag in the mud. She wouldn't have been found there if her death was caused by the measles. :mad:

I just threw my hand up. Is there a throw your hand up smiley? Well to be fair to Dr G , lots of ME's have to come out and say this rather obvious conclusion. In the Peterson case it was much the same, Laci and Connor were determined homicides but no cause of death. Unfortunately, that damned deputy messed up or they may have been able to really find a cause in August.

[beemer]

I completely disagree with Susan Moss saying there will be major bombshells from that autopsy report. The ME already said there was no cause of death and it stands to reason as you say the body was skeltonized. Short of something shocking in the toxicology reports they are not going to be able to suddenly come up with a cause of death. It is my prediction it will be a major nonbombshell, at least for most of us who will end up saying, Yeah we knew that, we heard that, etc. I think rather that the Anthonys and Baez have all become somewhat obstinate on every single point in the case and media interest. I mean really about that makeshift memorial, does it really matter in the scheme of things if someone is leaving a few stuffed animals? With all that is going on and all they have to worry about they are spending their time on stealing the memorial gifts. It is idiotic and a real sign of Cindy'/s need to control EVERYTHING! And Baez is showing signs of focusing on too many side shows, that damned jail tape could cut either way I think and is not the whole case, yet Baez is acting like it is the only major evidence. It may not be evidence at all depending on what the jurors think. Some may see it as grief, others as guilt, some even may see it is just a video with no real tell. He also was going to sue the guards for talking and even at one time mentioned how some in the media would be dealt with, It might behoove him to focus on the case itself.

I agree with alot of your points Mu and by the way good to see you :beer: I cant reach wave guy. Having said that G&C have no authority in asking for this to be suppressed per Conway. In my opine there has to be a reason. Yes she was skeletonized but there may be something. There is just so much we still dont know. When LE put the DP back on the table i think they had all the ducks they needed by then in a row. G&C have always supported Liar over their granddaughter. That makes me wonder what is there that can hurt Liar??? Who knows and i very well may be wrong but i find this move very telling. Bozo threatens alot of things-hoping for a stupid juror. Blames LE for media leaks when it just happens to be the sunshine law. I find it interesting-no opine just interesting if true this motion and now Liar is flipping out in jail periodically. I am sure somewhere in her deluded mind and case law reads she feels she fits into some psych defense. There all loose cannons right down to the defense team. Seems like they all have their own agenda. This judge is going to have to corall them all in and get everyone on task. MOO

[beemer]

The insanity defense of course would never fly from way way back when. So much evidence of her planning. Too late to admit-not that i thought she would. That alone would not even let it fly. It is so rarely used. Totally moot point. She is far from insane. I say let her fly with it-knock yourself out Liar. Make an assofyourself on the thing. Nothing new and entertaining at best. Interesting also that she is doing this now-coming up on a year. Thinking about the beach and a tan. Maybe in H/E/L/L

[mu8shark]

Although they cannot prove a COD, apparently the coroner offered a very strong opinion of what the cause was. per WESH or Orlando Sentinel, can't remember which. But that could be upsetting. But the motion implies that more than the information IN the report, its the fact that people will talk about it that's the problem, is how I read it. all moo. Not to be argumentative but I checked both the Sentinel and Wesh articles and could find no mention that the doctor had a very strong opinion of what the cause was. In fact on WESH it says this." In a new motion, George and Cindy Anthony's lawyer, Brad Conway, said making public Caylee's autopsy report will cause the family great anguish as they continue to struggle with their only granddaughter's loss.

Garavaglia announced her initial findings as Caylee's cause of death being a homicide by unknown means. She added that there were more tests to be done.

Now, her assistant confirmed to WESH 2 that toxicology and anthropology tests on the remains are back and are part of Garavaglia's 20-to-30-page autopsy report.

It was unclear what effect, if any, the test results had on Garavaglia's findings. However, because Caylee's body was so badly decomposed, Garavaglia said in December that she didn't expect to ever determine an exact cause of death."I could be wrong and I am at times but I bet that the Anthonys are just fighting tooth and nail to keep everything out of the public period. I just don't see it all of a sudden causing Dr G to have a suddenly strong opinion, unless as I said they have something strong in tox reports like chloroform or poison or a narcotic that contributed to her death. And somehow I suspect there could not be much tissue really.

[mu8shark]

I agree with alot of your points Mu and by the way good to see you :beer: I cant reach wave guy. Having said that G&C have no authority in asking for this to be suppressed per Conway. In my opine there has to be a reason. Yes she was skeletonized but there may be something. There is just so much we still dont know. When LE put the DP back on the table i think they had all the ducks they needed by then in a row. G&C have always supported Liar over their granddaughter. That makes me wonder what is there that can hurt Liar??? Who knows and i very well may be wrong but i find this move very telling. Bozo threatens alot of things-hoping for a stupid juror. Blames LE for media leaks when it just happens to be the sunshine law. I find it interesting-no opine just interesting if true this motion and now Liar is flipping out in jail periodically. I am sure somewhere in her deluded mind and case law reads she feels she fits into some psych defense. There all loose cannons right down to the defense team. Seems like they all have their own agenda. This judge is going to have to corall them all in and get everyone on task. MOO Hey ya Beem! Here is what I wonder. Have the Anthonys even seem the autopsy report? I mean maybe since Baez obviously has access to it then Conway can probably talk to him about it and reveal it to the Ants. . But even if the child was say choked or smothered and Dr G's opinion was that why would that be suddenly harmful to Casey? She did not do it, right? I mean that is their theory. I think it could be that there are hairs and fibers that were found on Caylees body that maybe tied into the Anthony home or specifically Casey, rather than a sudden realization that there is a new cause of death, now that would be something that would be harmful to Caseys case and something I can see the Anthonys not wanting released. Didn't they take all of Caseys clothes. I mean what if a fiber found on Caylee was tied to a shirt that Casey owned? I wonder if it has to do with something like that..... hmm

[lorettalockhorn]

Not to be argumentative but I checked both the Sentinel and Wesh articles and could find no mention that the doctor had a very strong opinion of what the cause was. In fact on WESH it says this." In a new motion, George and Cindy Anthony's lawyer, Brad Conway, said making public Caylee's autopsy report will cause the family great anguish as they continue to struggle with their only granddaughter's loss.

Garavaglia announced her initial findings as Caylee's cause of death being a homicide by unknown means. She added that there were more tests to be done.

Now, her assistant confirmed to WESH 2 that toxicology and anthropology tests on the remains are back and are part of Garavaglia's 20-to-30-page autopsy report.

It was unclear what effect, if any, the test results had on Garavaglia's findings. However, because Caylee's body was so badly decomposed, Garavaglia said in December that she didn't expect to ever determine an exact cause of death."I could be wrong and I am at times but I bet that the Anthonys are just fighting tooth and nail to keep everything out of the public period. I just don't see it all of a sudden causing Dr G to have a suddenly strong opinion, unless as I said they have something strong in tox reports like chloroform or poison or a narcotic that contributed to her death. And somehow I suspect there could not be much tissue really.

The blurb about Dr. G's opinion is in the click Orlando article:

...Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia said the results contain her "strong opinion" about what happened to Caylee. The toddler's death has already been publicly ruled a homicide, but Garavaglia said it would be impossible to determine how the toddler died...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

RE: Conway's motion for G&C, there was a TH on either JVM or NG tonight who stated there is a provision in Florida law that provides for autopsy reports to be withheld until trial. If that's so, why didn't Strickland cite it instead of using the (fat, have no life, blogger meanies) internet excuse?

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey ya Beem! Here is what I wonder. Have the Anthonys even seem the autopsy report? I mean maybe since Baez obviously has access to it then Conway can probably talk to him about it and reveal it to the Ants. . But even if the child was say choked or smothered and Dr G's opinion was that why would that be suddenly harmful to Casey? She did not do it, right? I mean that is their theory. I think it could be that there are hairs and fibers that were found on Caylees body that maybe tied into the Anthony home or specifically Casey, rather than a sudden realization that there is a new cause of death, now that would be something that would be harmful to Caseys case and something I can see the Anthonys not wanting released. Didn't they take all of Caseys clothes. I mean what if a fiber found on Caylee was tied to a shirt that Casey owned? I wonder if it has to do with something like that..... hmm

If the autopsy report only contains Dr. G's opinion about cause of death, I don't see how that could cause any more anguish than all the speculation that has gone on and will go on before, during and after the trial. The problem seems (to me) to likely be more of an affront to the deep denial that the Anthonys live in. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

The insanity defense of course would never fly from way way back when. So much evidence of her planning. Too late to admit-not that i thought she would. That alone would not even let it fly. It is so rarely used. Totally moot point. She is far from insane. I say let her fly with it-knock yourself out Liar. Make an assofyourself on the thing. Nothing new and entertaining at best. Interesting also that she is doing this now-coming up on a year. Thinking about the beach and a tan. Maybe in H/E/L/L I totally agree even if she admitted she did it and tried to go for insanity there is just too much evidence otherwise that she knew right from wrong. I was just watching something on the attempt on Reagans life and at the end of the program they said that when Hinckley was judged not guilty due to insanity people were so outraged that most state legislatures made it harder to prove the insanity defense. Thus, no more twinkie defenses or abuse excuses as child could get people off anymore. You are right it suceeds like in 1 per cent or less of the cases where it is attempted. Casey will not see any beach. And is she living in fantasy land, does she think she will get out and just live in luxury???

[mu8shark]

The blurb about Dr. G's opinion is in the click Orlando article:

...Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia said the results contain her "strong opinion" about what happened to Caylee. The toddler's death has already been publicly ruled a homicide, but Garavaglia said it would be impossible to determine how the toddler died...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19724459/detail.html

RE: Conway's motion for G&C, there was a TH on either JVM or NG tonight who stated there is a provision in Florida law that provides for autopsy reports to be withheld until trial. If that's so, why didn't Strickland cite it instead of using the (fat, have no life, blogger meanies) internet excuse? Okay I stand corrected sort of. Is she saying I can't even speculate as to actual cause of death but she has determined for instance that someone close to the child killed her? Or that it was not a knife , gun or strangling so it must be some kind of suffocation? To me the two statements in her quote are confusing. I don't quite get it. I mean somewhere i heard the hyoid bone was intact so that rules out strangling probably in a small child and you can't tell smothering on bones, so what could her strong opinion be? Do you have a strong opinion on her strong opinion Loretta?

[BeastofBears]

Not to be argumentative but I checked both the Sentinel and Wesh articles and could find no mention that the doctor had a very strong opinion of what the cause was. In fact on WESH it says this." In a new motion, George and Cindy Anthony's lawyer, Brad Conway, said making public Caylee's autopsy report will cause the family great anguish as they continue to struggle with their only granddaughter's loss.

Garavaglia announced her initial findings as Caylee's cause of death being a homicide by unknown means. She added that there were more tests to be done.

Now, her assistant confirmed to WESH 2 that toxicology and anthropology tests on the remains are back and are part of Garavaglia's 20-to-30-page autopsy report.

It was unclear what effect, if any, the test results had on Garavaglia's findings. However, because Caylee's body was so badly decomposed, Garavaglia said in December that she didn't expect to ever determine an exact cause of death."I could be wrong and I am at times but I bet that the Anthonys are just fighting tooth and nail to keep everything out of the public period. I just don't see it all of a sudden causing Dr G to have a suddenly strong opinion, unless as I said they have something strong in tox reports like chloroform or poison or a narcotic that contributed to her death. And somehow I suspect there could not be much tissue really.

Hi Mu, I found it, it was kind of hidden: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-autopsy-findings-wont-be-released-tomorrow.html

*snip*
"At 6, WKMG-Channel 6's Mike DeForest had the story that Strickland had issued the temporary stay. "The Orange County medical examiner cannot prove how Caylee Anthony died, but Dr. Jan Garavaglia tells Local 6 she has a strong opinion about what happened to the toddler," DeForest said. "That information would have likely been included among the hundreds of pages of evidence to be released tomorrow."
*snip*

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I stand corrected sort of. Is she saying I can't even speculate as to actual cause of death but she has determined for instance that someone close to the child killed her? Or that it was not a knife , gun or strangling so it must be some kind of suffocation? To me the two statements in her quote are confusing. I don't quite get it. I mean somewhere i heard the hyoid bone was intact so that rules out strangling probably in a small child and you can't tell smothering on bones, so what could her strong opinion be? Do you have a strong opinion on her strong opinion Loretta?

Not sure what to think of her statement. Suppose it could lie in the toxicology and the ME suspects that Caylee was ODed or asphyxiated on vomit, for instance, or maybe it could go to the tool expert. There's just no telling. I don't regularly watch Dr. G, but do know that she does dig for answers and does have a lot of experience.

[mu8shark]

From the WKMG article Loretta found, this." The toxicology results, which could reveal whether Caylee had been exposed to chloroform, could be included in the release. A previous discovery release included Internet searches for chloroform from Casey Anthony's computer." Do you think that maybe traces of chloroform were found on the hair or clothing that may have given Dr G a clue that Casey employed chloroform. I mean even if they did not find in toxicology in the body what if they found it on something else at the scene. I know that ME's look at other info besides the actual autopsy to try and determine cause of death, at least according to Dr Perper they do more investigation. Could this be a clue?

[BeastofBears]

From the WKMG article Loretta found, this." The toxicology results, which could reveal whether Caylee had been exposed to chloroform, could be included in the release. A previous discovery release included Internet searches for chloroform from Casey Anthony's computer." Do you think that maybe traces of chloroform were found on the hair or clothing that may have given Dr G a clue that Casey employed chloroform. I mean even if they did not find in toxicology in the body what if they found it on something else at the scene. I know that ME's look at other info besides the actual autopsy to try and determine cause of death, at least according to Dr Perper they do more investigation. Could this be a clue?

That makes sense! And with competing experts saying that chloroform can be a natural product of decomposition, maybe there wasn't a clear enough concentration to call it COD, yet the other stuff added together told her this is probably what happened?

I wonder if we might get enough tomorrow to read round it and figure it out? I hope this really IS a 1000 page dump-a lot of pages have been unreleased so far...mooimo

[BeastofBears]

Night all! :seeya: To our morning dump :beer:

[mu8shark]

Hi Mu, I found it, it was kind of hidden: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-autopsy-findings-wont-be-released-tomorrow.html

*snip*
"At 6, WKMG-Channel 6's Mike DeForest had the story that Strickland had issued the temporary stay. "The Orange County medical examiner cannot prove how Caylee Anthony died, but Dr. Jan Garavaglia tells Local 6 she has a strong opinion about what happened to the toddler," DeForest said. "That information would have likely been included among the hundreds of pages of evidence to be released tomorrow."
*snip*Thanks guys for doing all that digging. Her statement intrigues me.

[Nawny]

Thanks guys for doing all that digging. Her statement intrigues me.

Me too mu! As for the finding of chloroform, or drugs, maybe in the marrow of those teeny bones, or in her hair roots, if it walks like a duck theory based on consensus or what ever; I believe the A's know more than we do and they want that autopsy off the table while making a monkey of Conway in the process.

As for the bloggers and the media, do humans have choices? Are they reading the blogs? Are they focusing on the news? They should chose not to. And yet, they are USUALLY IN the news, because they like to MAKE news, so they need to see themselves aye?

[Nawny]

Hey Drew :seeya: Ready for the doc dump? Finally. It's kinda neat that their shared trait is what will eventually destroy them. We know Brad's back is better so what is holding up the civil ??????

Hey Drew! GOod to see ya! :)

Yep, they're making themselves and Conway immortal. They simply want more than 15 minutes to make asses of themselves. They have succeeded and they took poor Conway with them.

I'm going to miss the doc dump. I have a preschool end of year show to go see at 1pm. Now that's worth a billion smiles to me. They're going to sing , "Glad to Be an American!" lol! :patriot:

[Nawny]

Hi Nawny! :seeya:WTF! Here we go again. . .and no, they will never shut the F up! Remember when they had to delay the depos because they were "too distressed?" These Ants. need a judge to shut them up.They've already been given enough free passes. NOBODY CARES WHAT THEY WANT! It all goes back to Cindy's need for control. She has George and Brad and Lee whipped! Bet she can't do the same to the judge. That's what Cindy and the Liar have in common: they both think they are smarter than everyone else. DrewB

How'd ya like to be their family counselor DrewB? You have clearly defined the sum total of what's really wrong in that house. Where do you go from there? Where do they? :( Like all dictators, I expect the sky to fall on them when all is said and done. Like Mussolini, like Hitler, like Jim Jones, like King Henry, like all control freaks... yes?

Worst problem I see and the VERY worst one is, CA has no respect for the law. Were she in another country, not America, she'd have been in jail months ago.
IMO

[Gatordog]

The Doc Dump has taken place. The news reporters have the documents now and are reviewing them. I imagine in a little while they will have them scanned and available.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19734095/detail.html

Oh, I read Baez' latest motion for Dominic Casey's phone records. Someone really needs to explain to him the difference between "its and it's". So many grammatical errors. He should be embarrassed.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hey Drew :seeya: Ready for the doc dump? Finally. It's kinda neat that their shared trait is what will eventually destroy them. We know Brad's back is better so what is holding up the civil ??????

IIRC, when Mitnik showed up in court upon the Judge's request, they were looking for a common date and the first date the Judge had available was June 17.

Hey Baez, notice the proper use of "apostrophe s".

[Gatordog]

Wear a big straw hat and big sunglasses. :-) The cement head will recognise you!

Some pepper spray wouldn't hurt either. Not me anyway. :D It might cool down some of those "hot heads".

[Gatordog]

I completely disagree with Susan Moss saying there will be major bombshells from that autopsy report. The ME already said there was no cause of death and it stands to reason as you say the body was skeltonized. Short of something shocking in the toxicology reports they are not going to be able to suddenly come up with a cause of death. It is my prediction it will be a major nonbombshell, at least for most of us who will end up saying, Yeah we knew that, we heard that, etc. I think rather that the Anthonys and Baez have all become somewhat obstinate on every single point in the case and media interest. I mean really about that makeshift memorial, does it really matter in the scheme of things if someone is leaving a few stuffed animals? With all that is going on and all they have to worry about they are spending their time on stealing the memorial gifts. It is idiotic and a real sign of Cindy'/s need to control EVERYTHING! And Baez is showing signs of focusing on too many side shows, that damned jail tape could cut either way I think and is not the whole case, yet Baez is acting like it is the only major evidence. It may not be evidence at all depending on what the jurors think. Some may see it as grief, others as guilt, some even may see it is just a video with no real tell. He also was going to sue the guards for talking and even at one time mentioned how some in the media would be dealt with, It might behoove him to focus on the case itself.

From what I've read and heard on tv, Dr. G. does give her opinion on the manner of death. It isn't a statement of fact but it is her opinion of how death occurred. Perhaps the tox screens show some evidence of drugs or chemicals. The longer they delay the report from being released, the more speculation and theories occur.

It could be seen as grief except, why didn't she show any signs of grief when the Little Econ was being searched and there was a report of small bones and toys being found? She stated that Caylee was taken in Jay Blanchard Park, so why no concern that a body might have been found?

[Gatordog]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-ocasio-equusearch-061209,0,5667301.story

Texas EquuSearch is coming back to Orlando to help search for missing Tracy Ocasio and other possible victims. Just a thought, if someone has an "Extreme" Search Boat and ATV that are not being used, perhaps he would like to donate their use to people who are actually searching for missing people! :rolleyes:

Gator

[beemer]

Thanks Gator for all your info. Yeah whats up with the idle assonthething :shrug:

[Nawny]

Hey Drew! GOod to see ya! :)

Yep, they're making themselves and Conway immortal. They simply want more than 15 minutes to make asses of themselves. They have succeeded and they took poor Conway with them.

I'm going to miss the doc dump. I have a preschool end of year show to go see at 1pm. Now that's worth a billion smiles to me. They're going to sing , "Glad to Be an American!" lol! :patriot:

UH OH! I mean they are going to sing, PROUD to be an American! lol!

I did forensics on my kitchen this morning. I even did the tile grout with Orange cleaner. :eek: I had one cig left from the pack I started 2 days ago. I waited and waited until I finished cleaning and after I did some F-laundry. I opened the kitchen window near my table where the computer is, it is damp and dismal out there. I leaned on the sill and lit up my last Salem cigarette. Very ceremoniously lit it and watched it burn.

I looked up to the sky and said, "I don't smoke anymore" When it cooled off, I put the burnt out thing in a little baggy and wrote a note. My last cigarette 6-12-09 Watch me get hit by a car or sumthin now :rolleyes: or struck by lightening!

Ah Nawny is a fool, isn't she! :hat:

[Nawny]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-ocasio-equusearch-061209,0,5667301.story

Texas EquuSearch is coming back to Orlando to help search for missing Tracy Ocasio and other possible victims. Just a thought, if someone has an "Extreme" Search Boat and ATV that are not being used, perhaps he would like to donate their use to people who are actually searching for missing people! :rolleyes:

Gator

Ah those people are tortured souls. They have nothing to give. They're empty. I don't know what they're trying to prove with that assonthething, but it aint happening. They are probably coveting the boat because it belongs to them and reps Caylee, and nothing or no one else does belong to them. They got a boat to control.

[Gatordog]

http://www.wesh.com/news/19728108/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

She stated that Caylee was taken in Jay Blanchard Park, so why no concern that a body might have been found?

Perfect example of why the reaction to the actual discovery can be considered consciousness of guilt. If the reaction was one of genuine concern, it seems off to me. Tears would seem normal, but not a panic attack.

Thanks for links today!

Thanks Gator for all your info. Yeah whats up with the idle assonthething :shrug:

If they don't get that boat out sooner than later, it's going to be a fatass on the thing!

[BeastofBears]

UH OH! I mean they are going to sing, PROUD to be an American! lol!

I did forensics on my kitchen this morning. I even did the tile grout with Orange cleaner. :eek: I had one cig left from the pack I started 2 days ago. I waited and waited until I finished cleaning and after I did some F-laundry. I opened the kitchen window near my table where the computer is, it is damp and dismal out there. I leaned on the sill and lit up my last Salem cigarette. Very ceremoniously lit it and watched it burn.

I looked up to the sky and said, "I don't smoke anymore" When it cooled off, I put the burnt out thing in a little baggy and wrote a note. My last cigarette 6-12-09 Watch me get hit by a car or sumthin now :rolleyes: or struck by lightening!

Ah Nawny is a fool, isn't she! :hat:

Good for you, Nawn!

[lorettalockhorn]

UH OH! I mean they are going to sing, PROUD to be an American! lol!

I did forensics on my kitchen this morning. I even did the tile grout with Orange cleaner. :eek: I had one cig left from the pack I started 2 days ago. I waited and waited until I finished cleaning and after I did some F-laundry. I opened the kitchen window near my table where the computer is, it is damp and dismal out there. I leaned on the sill and lit up my last Salem cigarette. Very ceremoniously lit it and watched it burn.

I looked up to the sky and said, "I don't smoke anymore" When it cooled off, I put the burnt out thing in a little baggy and wrote a note. My last cigarette 6-12-09 Watch me get hit by a car or sumthin now :rolleyes: or struck by lightening!

Ah Nawny is a fool, isn't she! :hat:

Congrats on The Last Ciggie! :beer: And cleaning the tile. Every once in a while I clear the decks and wipe everything down with ammonia water. Just love that sheen. Wish we all lived closer and we could swap chores. I'd do your flaundry in a heartbeat! :tongue:

[BeastofBears]

The Sean Krause interview is worth the read, so don't think "blogger" and overlook him. He was first hand dealing with all of them, including "Todd Black", who he said acted like he had a "license to thrill", lol! And even way back when, CA was making him take videos off his site because he said she wanted to make a video herself and sell it. (imo based on SK's interview)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47469272.pdf

[beemer]

Baker Act/Fla.
http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm

[DrewBerry]

UH OH! I mean they are going to sing, PROUD to be an American! lol!

I did forensics on my kitchen this morning. I even did the tile grout with Orange cleaner. :eek: I had one cig left from the pack I started 2 days ago. I waited and waited until I finished cleaning and after I did some F-laundry. I opened the kitchen window near my table where the computer is, it is damp and dismal out there. I leaned on the sill and lit up my last Salem cigarette. Very ceremoniously lit it and watched it burn.

I looked up to the sky and said, "I don't smoke anymore" When it cooled off, I put the burnt out thing in a little baggy and wrote a note. My last cigarette 6-12-09 Watch me get hit by a car or sumthin now :rolleyes: or struck by lightening!

Ah Nawny is a fool, isn't she! :hat:

Way to go, Nawny! I hereby declare you a NON-SMOKER! So, when you looked up at the sky and said, "I don't smoke anymore" sounds like you meant it. We humans need such rituals. You are doing great. Day by day, my dear. Don't get caught up in counting hours, days, etc. until you have hit a 3-4 week mark. Until then, keep your hands busy! Chew on a straw or toothpick. I used those little plastic dental flossers that you can actually use with one hand.
No, you will not be hit by a car or lightening, or gawd-forbid, Cindy Anthony's baseball bat!!
I am very proud of your quit!! Celebrate each day you don't smoke. :beer:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Congrats on The Last Ciggie! :beer: And cleaning the tile. Every once in a while I clear the decks and wipe everything down with ammonia water. Just love that sheen. Wish we all lived closer and we could swap chores. I'd do your flaundry in a heartbeat! :tongue:

Hi Loretta! :seeya:Wish we all lived closer too. . .I have some flaundry for ya! Boy have I missed you guys. I've got some down time at work right now so I had to jump on to see what's been happening. Haven't had a chance to read much of the doc. dump. But I am disappointed that the judge ordered a stay of the autopsy reports. Damn Ants. anyway!
I have 72 hours to go before internet and cable will be installed in my new place!! Yippee!
DrewB

[BeastofBears]

So, I was gone all day, expected to come back to the good stuff...is that it? No more? Cause this is like nada...imo.

[BeastofBears]

Its funny how quiet the board gets on doc dump days. I think at this point they are so disappointing none of us want to talk about it!

[Justice Denied?]

I completely disagree with Susan Moss saying there will be major bombshells from that autopsy report. The ME already said there was no cause of death and it stands to reason as you say the body was skeltonized. Short of something shocking in the toxicology reports they are not going to be able to suddenly come up with a cause of death. It is my prediction it will be a major nonbombshell, at least for most of us who will end up saying, Yeah we knew that, we heard that, etc. I think rather that the Anthonys and Baez have all become somewhat obstinate on every single point in the case and media interest. I mean really about that makeshift memorial, does it really matter in the scheme of things if someone is leaving a few stuffed animals? With all that is going on and all they have to worry about they are spending their time on stealing the memorial gifts. It is idiotic and a real sign of Cindy'/s need to control EVERYTHING. And Baez is showing signs of concetrating on too many side shows, that damned jail tape could cut either way I think and is not the whole case, yet Baez is acting like it is the only major evidence. It may not be evidence at all depending on what the jurors think. Some may see it as grief, others as guilt, some even may see it is just a video with no real tell. He also was going to sue the guards for talking and even at one time mentioned how some in the media would be dealt with, It might behoove him to focus on the case itself.

ITA with your entire post. I sometimes wonder if it is not the Prosecution's intent to release just enough discovery at a time to keep Baez running in circles. He concentrates on every little thing, not knowing if the Pros will use it or not. And he is not concentrating on building a strong defense for Casey. Hopefully, the new lawyer will be able to rein him in.

[Justice Denied?]

The insanity defense of course would never fly from way way back when. So much evidence of her planning. Too late to admit-not that i thought she would. That alone would not even let it fly. It is so rarely used. Totally moot point. She is far from insane. I say let her fly with it-knock yourself out Liar. Make an assofyourself on the thing. Nothing new and entertaining at best. Interesting also that she is doing this now-coming up on a year. Thinking about the beach and a tan. Maybe in H/E/L/L

What was said on NG about Casey asking what was going on at clubs (Fusion)? I just got a few words of that. TIA

[BeastofBears]

What was said on NG about Casey asking what was going on at clubs (Fusion)? I just got a few words of that. TIA

I think the transcript is up, but it seems the National Enquirer has a story about Casey in Jail...she wants the trial moved to Miami so that she can go straight to the beach and work on her tan as soon as "its all over", and one of her favorite things to talk about is the goings-on in the clubs. (has to stay current, I guess, since she'll be back any day...)

imo.

[Justice Denied?]

Hey ya Beem! Here is what I wonder. Have the Anthonys even seem the autopsy report? I mean maybe since Baez obviously has access to it then Conway can probably talk to him about it and reveal it to the Ants. . But even if the child was say choked or smothered and Dr G's opinion was that why would that be suddenly harmful to Casey? She did not do it, right? I mean that is their theory. I think it could be that there are hairs and fibers that were found on Caylees body that maybe tied into the Anthony home or specifically Casey, rather than a sudden realization that there is a new cause of death, now that would be something that would be harmful to Caseys case and something I can see the Anthonys not wanting released. Didn't they take all of Caseys clothes. I mean what if a fiber found on Caylee was tied to a shirt that Casey owned? I wonder if it has to do with something like that..... hmm

That's a really good theory, but hairs and fibers wouldn't be part of an autopsy woud they? What could possibly be in an autopsy report that would add up to 30-40 pages?

[Justice Denied?]

The insanity defense of course would never fly from way way back when. So much evidence of her planning. Too late to admit-not that i thought she would. That alone would not even let it fly. It is so rarely used. Totally moot point. She is far from insane. I say let her fly with it-knock yourself out Liar. Make an assofyourself on the thing. Nothing new and entertaining at best. Interesting also that she is doing this now-coming up on a year. Thinking about the beach and a tan. Maybe in H/E/L/L

I have a feeling Casey will never see another sunrise or sunset, much less be outside long enough to get a tan. Add that to the list of things she'll miss.

[Marian Paroo]

I think the transcript is up, but it seems the National Enquirer has a story about Casey in Jail...she wants the trial moved to Miami so that she can go straight to the beach and work on her tan as soon as "its all over", and one of her favorite things to talk about is the goings-on in the clubs. (has to stay current, I guess, since she'll be back any day...)

imo.

She's not buying spray on tan in the commisary? I gotta go get some sleep. It's 01:38 Saturday morning here!

[Justice Denied?]

I totally agree even if she admitted she did it and tried to go for insanity there is just too much evidence otherwise that she knew right from wrong. I was just watching something on the attempt on Reagans life and at the end of the program they said that when Hinckley was judged not guilty due to insanity people were so outraged that most state legislatures made it harder to prove the insanity defense. Thus, no more twinkie defenses or abuse excuses as child could get people off anymore. You are right it suceeds like in 1 per cent or less of the cases where it is attempted. Casey will not see any beach. And is she living in fantasy land, does she think she will get out and just live in luxury???

I think that is exactly what she thinks. I believe that she has convinced hersel, and Baez has convinced her, that she will be found not guilty. She honestly believes that she is smarter than everyone else and can outwit everyone. JMO, MOO

[Justice Denied?]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-ocasio-equusearch-061209,0,5667301.story

Texas EquuSearch is coming back to Orlando to help search for missing Tracy Ocasio and other possible victims. Just a thought, if someone has an "Extreme" Search Boat and ATV that are not being used, perhaps he would like to donate their use to people who are actually searching for missing people! :rolleyes:

Gator

Especially since the A's and Tim get along so well. Besides, isn't Tracy an adult? That boat is only for hunting children in areas where the bass are biting. LOL, JMO

[wind149]

OH Geez, Bozo advise her how to be bi-polar? Sounds like it to me,l cop a nut job and you get the state hospital instead of the needle?? "Screams in the middle of the night"? Faking nightmares? Getting chummy and chatty with the CO's. Me thinks something stinks here and they can go for an insanity offense, but that does not mean it would ever stick as people and especially potential jurists, are sick to death of this child killing piece of dog s*it already and they want her dead yesterday! And of course Cindy is licking her chops tonight over that bowl of cream, she successfully blocked (FOR NOW) the autopsy report and it has me sitting up wondering what is in it, she does not want the public to know? But if SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY the cameras had better be f&cking on her sorry ass from every angle and I just wish LE could charge this useless camerawhore with something that would put her in prison!!! Hurry up with this trial, I am getting any younger here!!

[JLette]

*sigh* this doc dump was a freakin joke!!! transcripts of the depositions?? i thought those came out last month for crying out loud. DAMMIT!!! i wanted something juicy, oh well, maybe we will get lucky next time and get the video AND the autopsy report!!! we can only hope right?

[One2Snoop]

Garavaglia: No Change In Caylee's Cause Of Death
Interviews Released In Case Against Casey Anthony

POSTED: 5:28 pm EDT June 11, 2009
UPDATED: 5:35 pm EDT June 12, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Orange County medical examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia said Friday that the autopsy report on the remains of Caylee Anthony draws no new conclusions as to her cause of death.

Garavaglia reported in December that the toddler's death was a homicide of unknown origin. However, she added that she included a summary in her 30-page report that draws some conclusions about what happened to Caylee based on tests and other evidence gathered since she made her initial findings.

That autopsy report was to be included in the hundreds of pages of new evidence released by the state attorney's office in the case against Casey Anthony Friday morning. However, George and Cindy Anthony succeeded in the effort to at least temporarily block the release of their granddaughter's autopsy report.

Casey Anthony remains in the Orange County Jail charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. The toddler's remains were discovered in December in a wooded area off Suburban Drive near the Anthony family's home.

The Anthonys argued that the release of the autopsy results would cause the family great distress.

Judge Stan Strickland is expected to hold a hearing on the matter next week.

The document released included an interview with an Anthony family friend who said she was concerned about Caylee's safety during an incident 15 months before her disappearance.

Michelle Murphy is a friend of the Anthony family who has known Lee Anthony, Casey's brother, since the first grade. In her interview with police, she described a phone call between her and Casey Anthony 15 months before Caylee vanished in which Anthony said she was "feeling crazy." Murphy said she feared Caylee was in danger and offered to come and pick her up.

In the documents, Murphy said Anthony told her she felt like she wasn't being a very good mother and was considering committing herself for psychological reasons. Murphy said she wasn't sure if it was a ploy for sympathy or a reaction to Anthony's stormy relationship with her parents.

Murphy detailed a tumultuous relationship between Casey and Cindy Anthony regarding Caylee -- and said that during Caylee's second birthday the two competed over gifts.

Murphy also said that George and Cindy Anthony had often spoken of gaining custody of Caylee, and that during a vigil held after the toddler went missing he speculated as to what would have happened if they had gotten custody instead of just discussing it.

Murphy said Casey Anthony had lied about being pregnant with Caylee -- saying doctors believed she may have a tumor. The next day, Murphy said Anthony appeared overjoyed to be carrying a baby.

Finally, Murphy said Anthony had at one point said she was pregnant again and that Cindy Anthony was furious. She said Casey Anthony later said she had miscarried.

A deposition from Internet blogger Sean Krause was also included in Friday's release. Krause had a crime blog called The Daily BS, and, one point, had daily phone conversations with Cindy Anthony.

Krause told investigators that on the day that bounty hunter Leonard Padilla was searching Blanchard Park for signs of Caylee, Cindy Anthony called him, crying.

He said he took that opportunity to say to her, "You know, I really strongly believe that you know your daughter murdered Caylee."

Krause said that on that particular day, it "was the first time that she agreed that she actually really believed that her daughter, you know, actually did something to Caylee." The next day, according to Krause, Cindy Anthony "retracted her statement."

"That kind of irked me," Krause told investigators, "You go from one extreme to the other. You want sympathy, but then you retract your own statement. Then you tell people "No, you can't use that because I believe my granddaughter is still alive."

Krause said he felt like he "really, really hit a nerve."

Krause said he asked Cindy Anthony about a rumor he heard that Casey Anthony worked for an escort service called Universal, and he said that she responded that she "knew nothing of it."

In his interview, Krause also told investigators that he and Cindy Anthony got into a dispute over videos and pictures sent to him anonymously of Caylee and Casey Anthony.

"She wanted these videos," Krause told investigators. He said he gathered that Cindy Anthony wanted to "release some videos of Caylee for profit -- maybe to pay for Casey's defense fund."

A copy of Universal Orlando's Web site was also among the 1,000 pages of evidence released.

Earlier in the case, Casey Anthony led investigators to the theme park after identifying it as her place of employment. Investigators said she did an about-face in the hallway and admitted she was lying. The pages appeared to list and contain photos of former or current employees.

Also among the documents released Friday were interviews with George and Cindy Anthony, Lee Anthony, James Hoover and Zenaida Gonzalez in regards to a civil lawsuit filed by Gonzalez. She filed a defamation lawsuit against Casey Anthony, claiming that Anthony naming her as the nanny who kidnapped Caylee ruined her good name.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19728108/detail.html

[lighthousedazy]

OH Geez, Bozo advise her how to be bi-polar? Sounds like it to me,l cop a nut job and you get the state hospital instead of the needle?? "Screams in the middle of the night"? Faking nightmares? Getting chummy and chatty with the CO's. Me thinks something stinks here and they can go for an insanity offense, but that does not mean it would ever stick as people and especially potential jurists, are sick to death of this child killing piece of dog s*it already and they want her dead yesterday! And of course Cindy is licking her chops tonight over that bowl of cream, she successfully blocked (FOR NOW) the autopsy report and it has me sitting up wondering what is in it, she does not want the public to know? But if SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY the cameras had better be f&cking on her sorry ass from every angle and I just wish LE could charge this useless camerawhore with something that would put her in prison!!! Hurry up with this trial, I am getting any younger here!!
Sorry Jose. A day late and a dollar short to go crazy now. Maybe a little stir crazy from being in that cell and realizing she may never get out. jmo.

[Nawny]

Congrats on The Last Ciggie! :beer: And cleaning the tile. Every once in a while I clear the decks and wipe everything down with ammonia water. Just love that sheen. Wish we all lived closer and we could swap chores. I'd do your flaundry in a heartbeat! :tongue:

:) Thank you Loretta! I sure wish we did live closer. I love the humor and wit of women over 40. We might be too busy laughing and drinking cawffee to do laundry. I love ammonia too. It works well on the tiles, and I see that the Orange cleaner left the tiles a little sticky. I'll have to go over it again tomorrow.

What's with this Doc dump? I guess C&G rule the court system eh?

[Nawny]

Baker Act/Fla.
http://www.psychlaws.org/PressRoom/faqonbakeract.htm

Thank you Beemer! That was very interesting!:seeya:

[BeastofBears]

*sigh* this doc dump was a freakin joke!!! transcripts of the depositions?? i thought those came out last month for crying out loud. DAMMIT!!! i wanted something juicy, oh well, maybe we will get lucky next time and get the video AND the autopsy report!!! we can only hope right?

You said it!

[beemer]

Hi all i just got home from work :beer: So nothing really exciting eh? Gawd i raced home. There was one part totally confusing ne i read just before leaving for work. It was the interview with Ricardo-they seem to be looking at his laptop at this point. Detectives make reference to the effect of Letting Caylee do something and he responded something to the effect that Liar let her a few times cuz she liked it-something like that. Did i misread as i had no idea what the hay they were talking about. Congrats Nawny-way to go!!!

[Nawny]

The Sean Krause interview is worth the read, so don't think "blogger" and overlook him. He was first hand dealing with all of them, including "Todd Black", who he said acted like he had a "license to thrill", lol! And even way back when, CA was making him take videos off his site because he said she wanted to make a video herself and sell it. (imo based on SK's interview)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-06/47469272.pdf


JAYYYZUZZZ!!! My head is swimming from reading Krause's answers! Are you trying to make Nawny go batty!?!? That was brutal! :eek:

[beemer]

I thought we were to get tox reports today???

[Nawny]

Way to go, Nawny! I hereby declare you a NON-SMOKER! So, when you looked up at the sky and said, "I don't smoke anymore" sounds like you meant it. We humans need such rituals. You are doing great. Day by day, my dear. Don't get caught up in counting hours, days, etc. until you have hit a 3-4 week mark. Until then, keep your hands busy! Chew on a straw or toothpick. I used those little plastic dental flossers that you can actually use with one hand.
No, you will not be hit by a car or lightening, or gawd-forbid, Cindy Anthony's baseball bat!!
I am very proud of your quit!! Celebrate each day you don't smoke. :beer:
DrewB


Thank you pal! :) I'm getting the urge to light up when i am near the computer. It was my place to smoke. I bought two herbs that seem to help with the cravings. One is called TOBAC-OFF and the other is called JittersAway.. they are put out by a company called PacificBiologic. What ever it takes!

I'm not going to be too hard on myself. I'll most likely fail time and again. It's not anything like the times I've tried before though. This auriculotherapy seems easier.

I do need ritual.. definitely! I am a very free spirit! :tongue: There is a good poem by Rumi for when I fail, and I use it.

"Come whoever you are
Wanderer worshiper, lover of leaving
It does not matter
Ours is not a caravan of dispair
Come, even if you have broken your vow a hundred times
Come, come again"

[beemer]

New personal policy-never get excited when their is a doc dump again. No disappointment and when there is the good stuff-even sweeter :shrug:

[Nawny]

That's a really good theory, but hairs and fibers wouldn't be part of an autopsy woud they? What could possibly be in an autopsy report that would add up to 30-40 pages?

I'm not at all qualified to even guess what would make an autopsy 30 or 40 pages long, but I did hear NG say the ordinary autopsy is around 8 pages. I would venture a guess that it is filled with scientific information that I would never understand. I also doubt that strangulation or smothering would be determined by examining the remains. It has to be about info gotten from the bones or hair.
IMO

[beemer]

I have a feeling Casey will never see another sunrise or sunset, much less be outside long enough to get a tan. Add that to the list of things she'll miss.

Maybe she can order some of that cheap lotion that turns ya orange-slather up in that. Crush up her pork rinds and scatter them on the floor-sand. Grab her law book and stretch out on that hard bed. Yep that will be her day at the beach. Oh and she has a radio-a little calypso music ;)

[beemer]

I'm not at all qualified to even guess what would make an autopsy 30 or 40 pages long, but I did hear NG say the ordinary autopsy is around 8 pages. I would venture a guess that it is filled with scientific information that I would never understand. I also doubt that strangulation or smothering would be determined by examining the remains. It has to be about info gotten from the bones or hair.
IMO
I agree Nawny but i wonder if the hyoid bone was crushed-strangulation?

[Nawny]

OH Geez, Bozo advise her how to be bi-polar? Sounds like it to me,l cop a nut job and you get the state hospital instead of the needle?? "Screams in the middle of the night"? Faking nightmares? Getting chummy and chatty with the CO's. Me thinks something stinks here and they can go for an insanity offense, but that does not mean it would ever stick as people and especially potential jurists, are sick to death of this child killing piece of dog s*it already and they want her dead yesterday! And of course Cindy is licking her chops tonight over that bowl of cream, she successfully blocked (FOR NOW) the autopsy report and it has me sitting up wondering what is in it, she does not want the public to know? But if SHE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY the cameras had better be f&cking on her sorry ass from every angle and I just wish LE could charge this useless camerawhore with something that would put her in prison!!! Hurry up with this trial, I am getting any younger here!!


I'm ROTFLMAO! Dammit Wind, you're unbelievable!!! LOL!!
And you haven't said a single thing we are not thinking!!!

[Nawny]

Maybe she can order some of that cheap lotion that turns ya orange-slather up in that. Crush up her pork rinds and scatter them on the floor-sand. Grab her law book and stretch out on that hard bed. Yep that will be her day at the beach. Oh and she has a radio-a little calypso music ;)

Ya know, we are hard on that bunch, but every time I see them hear them, read the manure they sputter, ya can't help it. They are the scum of the earth and a bunch of pigs and liars. That entire family is beyond pitiful. Reading the LE interview with Krause and how one of them was so pissed about his blog and said, "Maybe you had something to do with Caylee's death" I felt no guilt for bashing those SOB's.

And Cindy threatening to sue him for posting pics and videos anonymous folks sent of Caylee on a memorial site he created, made me sick. She wanted those videos to sell. The poor guy ended up trashing something the LE could have used. She's all over throwing wrenches in the engine of justice for Caylee. She's satan! :flamemad:

[Nawny]

So Casey Anthony is whinebaggin in her cell.. hmmm. She shoud be pooping her pants soon enough. She's not getting her way huh? Is she, how you say, having a tantrum? She may be trying for some nice meds.. :cool:

Night for now everyone. It's Friday night, do you know where your hagnog is? :)

[beemer]

So Casey Anthony is whinebaggin in her cell.. hmmm. She shoud be pooping her pants soon enough. She's not getting her way huh? Is she, how you say, having a tantrum? She may be trying for some nice meds.. :cool:

Night for now everyone. It's Friday night, do you know where your hagnog is? :)
Hagnog? I think it's locked in your cupboard. if ya hear any noise in the night it's just us OS leading the pack picking the lock :D Sleep well my friend. I am off soon too just unwinding from work for a bit :seeya:
P.S. I have no bash guilt either-I have never been so nasty. They never have stood up for that little angel. So i feel justified. Animals have better instinct that these folks. MOO

[BeastofBears]

I agree Nawny but i wonder if the hyoid bone was crushed-strangulation?

Not Nawny, but a broken hyoid only appears in a percentage of strangulations http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WHN-4D157K0-H&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=15e525797bbaf4479d32cffa72

But in a 2 year old, I'd be surprised...much of the hyoid is not ossified yet, making it very flexible. To fracture the parts of the hyoid that are ossified, would, I think, require great force and violence. It's shaped like a horseshoe, with the arch to the front. You can imagine how the would snap in a manual strangulation of an adult. But if the "arch" were just cartilage and flexible, much harder, since it is the sides of the arch that would break...to see ossification centers: http://www.bartleby.com/107/45.html

[BeastofBears]

Ya know, we are hard on that bunch, but every time I see them hear them, read the manure they sputter, ya can't help it. They are the scum of the earth and a bunch of pigs and liars. That entire family is beyond pitiful. Reading the LE interview with Krause and how one of them was so pissed about his blog and said, "Maybe you had something to do with Caylee's death" I felt no guilt for bashing those SOB's.

And Cindy threatening to sue him for posting pics and videos anonymous folks sent of Caylee on a memorial site he created, made me sick. She wanted those videos to sell. The poor guy ended up trashing something the LE could have used. She's all over throwing wrenches in the engine of justice for Caylee. She's satan! :flamemad:

And now he's dead at 25. I wonder if stress hurried him along? imo, moo, bleh.

[BeastofBears]

Hagnog? I think it's locked in your cupboard. if ya hear any noise in the night it's just us OS leading the pack picking the lock :D Sleep well my friend. I am off soon too just unwinding from work for a bit :seeya:
P.S. I have no bash guilt either-I have never been so nasty. They never have stood up for that little angel. So i feel justified. Animals have better instinct that these folks. MOO

I'm usually the Defender of All, lol! I remember mixing it up with folks for defending Howard K. Stern. But this! I've never seen the like...

[Native Alien]

I'm usually the Defender of All, lol! I remember mixing it up with folks for defending Howard K. Stern. But this! I've never seen the like...

I don't believe that anyone has ever seen the likes of this one. I watched the OJ trial and even it pales in comparison to this mess.

[beemer]

Not Nawny, but a broken hyoid only appears in a percentage of strangulations http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WHN-4D157K0-H&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=15e525797bbaf4479d32cffa72

But in a 2 year old, I'd be surprised...much of the hyoid is not ossified yet, making it very flexible. To fracture the parts of the hyoid that are ossified, would, I think, require great force and violence. It's shaped like a horseshoe, with the arch to the front. You can imagine how the would snap in a manual strangulation of an adult. But if the "arch" were just cartilage and flexible, much harder, since it is the sides of the arch that would break...to see ossification centers: http://www.bartleby.com/107/45.html

Thanks so much for the info-very interesting info. Glad someone is still up LOL

[beemer]

I don't believe that anyone has ever seen the likes of this one. I watched the OJ trial and even it pales in comparison to this mess.

Oh for sure-Hi NA good to see ya-where ya bin? :seeya: They opened themselves up to it :shrug: I really wonder what the trial will be like. Will they be able to sit in the courtroom and not blurt something out when they listen day after day? I wonder. They wont be able to sit there and sigh and roll their eyes and shake their heads. I expect some drama in the courtroom. MOO

[beemer]

And now he's dead at 25. I wonder if stress hurried him along? imo, moo, bleh.

My gawd he was only 25? I had heard of him but not real familiar with his credibility etc. Sorry to speak somewhat ill of one who has passed. Anyone know what kind of cancer so young?

[Marian Paroo]

Thanks so much for the info-very interesting info. Glad someone is still up LOL

Well, here it is morning.... 10:36 to be exact.

[Native Alien]

Oh for sure-Hi NA good to see ya-where ya bin? :seeya: They opened themselves up to it :shrug: I really wonder what the trial will be like. Will they be able to sit in the courtroom and not blurt something out when they listen day after day? I wonder. They wont be able to sit there and sigh and roll their eyes and shake their heads. I expect some drama in the courtroom. MOO

I got wrapped up in the Cummings case on another board. But I still come back and post here when I feel that I have something to contribute to the conversation.

I think that they will likely end up being banned from the courtroom before it is all over. I have watched them and I know that Conway has no control over any of the Anthonys. Nor do any of them actually listen to what he has to say to them.

I don't see the judge in this case allowing the type of behavior that we have seen from any of the Anthonys to take place in front of a jury. So I think that there will be a couple of warning and then he will put them out of the courtroom.

[Marian Paroo]

Where have you been discussing the Cummings case?

Not that there has been a lot of criminal case talk on www.gretawire.com , but you can't even write the name proper on her boards, you gotta write something like "Comings" -- her autocensor is a real maroon, you can't even write the word "circumstances"!!!!! :biggrin:

[beemer]

Where have you been discussing the Cummings case?

Not that there has been a lot of criminal case talk on www.gretawire.com , but you can't even write the name proper on her boards, you gotta write something like "Comings" -- her autocensor is a real maroon, you can't even write the word "circumstances"!!!!! :biggrin:

Thats just crazy-not NA but i will answer in case she is not back for a bit. The Haleigh case is listed right below this one on the main page. Listed as Haleigh Cummings below Caylee Anthony :seeya:

[Nawny]

I agree Nawny but i wonder if the hyoid bone was crushed-strangulation?

Mornin Beemer! I heard or read that is wasn't crushed.

[Nawny]

I got wrapped up in the Cummings case on another board. But I still come back and post here when I feel that I have something to contribute to the conversation.

I think that they will likely end up being banned from the courtroom before it is all over. I have watched them and I know that Conway has no control over any of the Anthonys. Nor do any of them actually listen to what he has to say to them.

I don't see the judge in this case allowing the type of behavior that we have seen from any of the Anthonys to take place in front of a jury. So I think that there will be a couple of warning and then he will put them out of the courtroom.

Agree! I expect some protesting from the A's in court too. I also expect that they will be mega warned by Baez and Conway and counselors, but as we know.. that doesn't work. They will get their daughter hanged, because they are not able to solicit pity from the jury, I'm thinking. I mean even facial expressions and mime in a jury's view, is not allowed in court. Yes, they'll get put out. IMO. Hell they won't even allow picture buttons of the victim pinned on clothing these days.

I do not think George will be able to endure all the details being spoken day after day. He will have to be drugged. CA won't pay attention to them, and neither will liar, is my guess. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Nawny]

Hagnog? I think it's locked in your cupboard. if ya hear any noise in the night it's just us OS leading the pack picking the lock :D Sleep well my friend. I am off soon too just unwinding from work for a bit :seeya:
P.S. I have no bash guilt either-I have never been so nasty. They never have stood up for that little angel. So i feel justified. Animals have better instinct that these folks. MOO

Nawny just unplugged your telephone and put it in the safe. ;)

Yes our angst is about the death of a little girl who had no choices. All true. She has just about become the mascot for all murdered children. Strange how the A's are angry about that and very strange that they are not soothed about the fact that Caylee is loved by strangers. Why is that? I would be. (I think)

But Then MKlass did say he was"relieved" when the memorial for Polly was taken down. Hmmm. I can see that in a way. The reason why I won't wear a cross around my neck. :shrug:

[beemer]

Mornin Beemer! I heard or read that is wasn't crushed.
Morning Nawny-skipped out for coffee-now i am back with coffee LOL Yeah i guess that thought was a moot point :shrug: I'm sure it will be public soon anyways. I thought we were supposed to get a tox report?