Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

Web Extra: Richard Grund On Casey Hearing

http://www.wesh.com/video/19592145/index.html

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Interesting article including some Andrea Lyon quotes:

http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1063&context=csls

[lorettalockhorn]

Well? HAVE you ever seen them together?

LMAO No, but I've never seen Frank Zappa and Father Guido Sarducci together either. :hat:

OKay, I take it back. Gumby would look far better in a dress...

Hey. So would Ron Perlman.

[Zingo]

Maybe this will be the DP case Lyon does lose. Yes they all looked so frumpy. Extreme makeovers needed and lyon has no ability to accessorize. She needs to lose the hair barrettes too!!!

Lyon strikes me as a typical bleeding heart liberal. (Sorry if that offends anyone). Her long hair is straight out of the Woodstock festival. She needs a good wash, dye job and cut. She is quite a large woman. Casey looked like a midget next to her. That being said, large ladies can still dress very nicely when they're inclined. Lyon is obviously not into appearance.

I imagine that Lyon will attempt to play on the jurors sympathies about how the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment, and that it won't bring Caylee back, and that it only makes us as a society barbaric. She may break out a Neil Young song or a poem by Maya Angelou. She may even call Joan Baez (Bobo's great aunt ...LOL) as a special musical witness.

Maybe Obama can pardon Casey, huh? Heck, if she'd only chosen to murder Caylee three years earlier, she wouldn't have been punished with a baby in the first place.

(Sorry, it's late, I've been away for awhile, and I'm snarky ...)

[Marian Paroo]

Here the judge/s, attorneys, and prosecutors all wear knee length robes, and most of the women choose pants over skirts.

No fashion shows or beauty contests in the courts.

When the accused play games with their clothing, it is usually to dress as conservatively and "religiously" as possible.

Amazing how many of the accused suddenly find god, and display it in their dress.

Oh, no jury trials here. Which distressed me when I arrived in the 70s, but now I am quite relieved by that.

[samanthajane13]

"How's she gonna kill herself? Besides OD-ing on pork rinds?!?!"

Think about it-all the crappy food, lack of sunlight, and lack of exercise.

By the time all the appeals are spent and they rig up the rusty needle and the sulphuric acid, The Skank is gonna be looking like Jabba The Hutt.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/samanthajane13/stuff/jabba.jpg


They're gonna have to do a central line or a cut-down to find a vein.

I want a front row seat!!! I'll even bring the wine and the paper cups!!

[eatcupcakes]

Dude! That looks like Joshua Perper in drag!!!!!!

It really does looke like Perper. The wig would cover his lopsided head.

[eatcupcakes]

The Liar is really packing on the pounds, someone should tell her that Bulimic's are not skinny people. She needs to be anorixic then she can look like Tori Spelling. Her hair is very dull don't they have good shampoo that she can buy in Jail. She better take notice of her new attorneys' style. She might be her twin in a few years, just shorter, LOL

[deacon]

If support for the DP is barbaric, count me in! http://i40.tinypic.com/2pt88zc.jpg

You know I have been thinking about the line at the bottom of all your posts and wonder why the heck didn't the lawyer ask her after she said that, "so, your telling me that what you say is not to be trusted? Tell me, how often and how much do you lie, now that we have determined that you do? Another question I would like to ask is are you the one that taught casey that?"

[Zingo]

Hi Zingo! Good to see you back, lol!

I always thought bleeding heart liberals were more of a passive group, this'n looks aggressive! But you may be right, we could be hearing some acoustical guitar in these closing arguments...having gone to Cal, I can hear it all now. It was well-stocked with Lyon ladies...I don't know why you have to look unkempt to protest whatever it is you have issues with...I guess shampoo is the dominant paradigm now...created as a subjugation method by evil males...bad, bad men! They made high heels, too. And pantyhose.:no:

Hey Java ... Oh, yeah, I almost forgot you were a Cal Gal. Ha ha ha. So, you know what I'm talking about! Let's burn all the pantyhose. Ha! I used to be one of 'em, and in my experience, bleeding heart activists are usually passive-aggressive. Their compassion with other people's money knows no ends. Their sense of justice stops with the perpetrators of crime.

I have no problem with someone who actually sits around smoking dope and singing peace songs. It just seems like those who are "protesting" wars and the death penalty are the most angry people on the planet. Ironic ...

[shadydaisy]

Where did you find my picture?? ;)

Gator

We must be twins!

Maybe she had just heard about the rumor that Casey said she would commit suicide before she would let them execute her.

Honestly, As much as I would like to see her executed, in reality the odds are in her favor of living to a ripe old age, in jail. Now that this rumor is circulating the DOC will put her on suicide watch. If she did commit suicide her parents would sue and would win their case. Don't hope for this.

[lorettalockhorn]

Or Itzak Perlman.

LOL At least Itzak looks good with a bow! OS's version of Lyon, not so much. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Lyon strikes me as a typical bleeding heart liberal. (Sorry if that offends anyone). Her long hair is straight out of the Woodstock festival. She needs a good wash, dye job and cut. She is quite a large woman. Casey looked like a midget next to her. That being said, large ladies can still dress very nicely when they're inclined. Lyon is obviously not into appearance.

I imagine that Lyon will attempt to play on the jurors sympathies about how the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment, and that it won't bring Caylee back, and that it only makes us as a society barbaric. She may break out a Neil Young song or a poem by Maya Angelou. She may even call Joan Baez (Bobo's great aunt ...LOL) as a special musical witness.

Maybe Obama can pardon Casey, huh? Heck, if she'd only chosen to murder Caylee three years earlier, she wouldn't have been punished with a baby in the first place.

(Sorry, it's late, I've been away for awhile, and I'm snarky ...)

So true. Which makes you wonder what in the world could have been her motive other than to punish her biggest supporter, Cindy. :cuss:

Good to see you! :seeya: Snark is good.

[lorettalockhorn]

"How's she gonna kill herself? Besides OD-ing on pork rinds?!?!"

Think about it-all the crappy food, lack of sunlight, and lack of exercise.

By the time all the appeals are spent and they rig up the rusty needle and the sulphuric acid, The Skank is gonna be looking like Jabba The Sl*t.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/samanthajane13/stuff/jabba.jpg


They're gonna have to do a central line or a cut-down to find a vein.

I want a front row seat!!! I'll even bring the wine and the paper cups!!

Hey, if Casey was to actually get the chair or the needle, I'd bring crystal stemware!

[Gatordog]

Now and then, and today, something I read here or see here makes the fact that Casey killed that beautiful doll, sink in.

I know its true, obviously true, but most days I don't want it to be true, or just don't think about it. Maybe it was the sight of her that made me get that dismal ache in my heart. Or maybe it was something someone here said.

But to not be able to imagine it, and know its true is like a slap in the heart because anyone who has gone over the evidence and the behaviors knows, liar murdered her daughter. And that Caylee was scared and no one was there for her. Now she's dead and no one is there for her but the pros team, us and God. The A's are there for one person only. The Liar. Cry me a F river Cindy. In the meantime, get a clue.

Nawny, the saddest part is that, IMO, Caylee was killed just to hurt Cindy. It's one of those "if I can't have her no one will, especially you". I can only imagine that smug look on the Liar's face as her daughter, with that tape on her face, was gasping to breathe. If you ask me, they should all be in jail because they all had a hand in her death.

[deacon]

Nawny, the saddest part is that, IMO, Caylee was killed just to hurt Cindy. It's one of those "if I can't have her no one will, especially you". I can only imagine that smug look on the Liar's face as her daughter, with that tape on her face, was gasping to breathe. If you ask me, they should all be in jail because they all had a hand in her death.

That statement just sent a light on for me. I wonder if the tape was over her mouth and nose. If so she sufficated. I would not have taken any substance. with duct tape over both mouth and nose she would not have been able to breathe.

[Gatordog]

Lyon strikes me as a typical bleeding heart liberal. (Sorry if that offends anyone). Her long hair is straight out of the Woodstock festival. She needs a good wash, dye job and cut. She is quite a large woman. Casey looked like a midget next to her. That being said, large ladies can still dress very nicely when they're inclined. Lyon is obviously not into appearance.

I imagine that Lyon will attempt to play on the jurors sympathies about how the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment, and that it won't bring Caylee back, and that it only makes us as a society barbaric. She may break out a Neil Young song or a poem by Maya Angelou. She may even call Joan Baez (Bobo's great aunt ...LOL) as a special musical witness.

Maybe Obama can pardon Casey, huh? Heck, if she'd only chosen to murder Caylee three years earlier, she wouldn't have been punished with a baby in the first place.

(Sorry, it's late, I've been away for awhile, and I'm snarky ...)

Perhaps she was taught about abstinence. Just like Palin's daughter, we see how well that worked. And, by the way, some people do think of a baby as a burden, not everyone thinks of a baby as a gift. Never wanted one and never will. So perhaps, keeping politics out is the best way to go. If you want to blame someone, blame the whole frigging family.

[Gatordog]

Kathi Belich of WFTV had a report yesterday on Lyon's statement. Lyon made a statement that she thought that Florida could not use the death penalty in this case. Belich said she is wrong. Even if someone else murdered Caylee, the death penalty is applicable to any accomplices. It is totally allowable under Florida law.

This morning on the radio, they said that Judge Strickland could not render an opinion yesterday regarding the video because the defense had only given him their written arguments late the night before. The Judge could not grant a decision regarding the phone records, because the Defense was not clear in their requests and Prof. Lyon could not speak at the hearing because the Defense did not file the paperwork in time. Lyon has not been given approval to defend this case yet.

Seems to me that Judge Strickland is bending over backwards to make sure that all of the mistakes the defense (bozo) has made are being judged without error. He could easily have ruled against the defense because they were not prepared or did not give proper reason. Looks like Judge Strickland is making sure that even though Baez appears to be ineffectual counsel, the Judge is making sure all of his mistakes are being corrected on the record and judged properly.

Thank goodness that a judge with the patience of a saint is presiding over this case.

[Marian Paroo]

Was it ever suggested why Casey didn't have an abortion (a lot has been said about why she didn't put the child up for adoption)?

I know she hid her pregnancy from others, but I haven't heard that she wasn't aware of it herself.

[Marian Paroo]

Already think of selling the commodity?

[Marian Paroo]

Apparently she did want a friend of hers to adopt the baby, but Cindy vetoed it, and Casey didn't have the balls to go through with it.

But was I was thinking here was that she deliberately got pregnant with plans to sell the baby.

[One2Snoop]

The thing that gets me, and I think needs to be dealt with eventually, is every act of apparent incompetence stalls out every hearing with re-scheduling...how long can this go on? The trial will be in 2012 at this rate of each hearing being cancelled and re-scheduled for a month later...and why should Baez stop doing this? Its working for him quite nicely.

But I don't know what else Strickland can do, except give himself an ulcer...

You think we can hang on that long? What will we talk about for the next 2 years? :shrug: :eek:

[One2Snoop]

Just a couple of comments about this article....
Is Baez f'ing serious that this is cruel? :eek: :cuss: Cruel is Casey killing Caylee.

It appears the new attorney will fit right in but at least she said please.....
"Please get that out of my face," Lyon replied.



Casey's Attorney Says Video Release Would Be "Cruel"

Posted: 7:15 am EDT May 28, 2009Updated: 6:30 pm EDT May 28, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. --snip

Casey's attorney told Judge Stan Strickland the jailhouse video should be sealed permanently because making it public would be "cruel" and "inhumane." However, Baez will get access to two private investigators and her family's phone records because they did not contest the motion.

Baez will not get the phone records from Casey's ex-fiancé, Jesse Grund, Casey's former friend Amy Huizenga and meter reader Roy Kronk, because they contested the motion to release the records.

Jose Baez may have tipped his hand on his defense strategy while fighting for access to the phone records of Casey's ex-fiancé.

"Mr. Grund was for all intense and purposes a suspect in this case," Baez stated in Court.

However, the sheriff's office never named Grund as a suspect in Caylee's disappearance or murder.

Kronk is the man who reported seeing a suspicious bag in a wooded area, which eventually was identified as Caylee Anthony's remains.

Kronk's attorney, as well as attorneys for the other witnesses, told the judge that the request was too broad and amounted to a "fishing expedition." The judge asked Anthony's attorneys to re-file their motion for the phone records so that the timeframe of the information they're requesting is more narrowly focused.

Cindy and George Anthony, along with their attorney Brad Conway, were in attendance. Kronk was also in the courtroom. Also in attendance were WFTV legal analyst Bill Shaeffer and Casey Anthony's new death penalty-qualified attorney Professor Andrea D. Lyon.

Casey's defense team argued that their client's rights were violated when she was videotaped. The video in question reportedly shows Anthony doubling over and hyperventilating after learning her daughter's remains were found as she watched Channel 9.

Defense attorney Todd Macaluso told the judge that releasing the surveillance video would violate Anthony's right to privacy since it was filmed while she was in a medical office at the Orange County Jail, seeking medical treatment. Anthony's attorneys have alleged that her jailers worked with the Orange County Sheriff's Office to have the television news on in the medical office so Anthony's reaction could be recorded.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office has said there was no orchestration with the jail.

"This is cruel. This is inhumane. This is illegal. This is unconstitutional," Macaluso said. "This defies any common sense of what law enforcement should and should not do."

"Why is it so critical for Baez's team to keep that video away from the media? Well, the saying is, 'A picture is worth a thousand words,'" Eyewitness News legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.

Baez claims the videotape was staged. He says Anthony was brought in front of the camera and told Caylee's remains were found just to see her reaction.

"Look, where is she? She's in jail. Does she have a right to privacy, in the jail? And the answer to that is no, she does not," Sheaffer explained.

Baez claims releasing the video could create more problems in getting a fair trail by tainting the jury pool.

Judge Strickland has to decide whether to accept Lyons as the death penalty attorney in the case. The judge also gave the media a week to decide whether they want to fight to get a copy of the jail video.

The jail has a week to respond to allegations it violated Casey's civil rights when it recorded her reaction to a child's remains being found.

Casey was charged with murdering her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, and Orlando prosecutors have filed notice they intend to seek the death penalty. Caylee Anthony disappeared last June and Casey Anthony has pleaded not guilty to her murder.


NEW DEATH QUALIFIED ATTORNEY ATTENDS HEARING

Casey's attorney Jose Baez introduced Professor Andrea D. Lyon to Judge Stan Strickland at a Thursday morning court hearing.

Professor Lyon has extensive experience trying death penalty cases and before walking into the hearing, she was not interested in talking to Eyewitness News.

"Is it going to take someone like you to get Casey off the hook?" asked WFTV reporter Mark Boyle.

"My comments will come out, we have no comments right now," replied Lyons.

"Is there any reason you took on this case," asked Boyle.

"Please get that out of my face," Lyon replied.

However, after the hearing, Lyon did comment on the case.
snip

http://www.wftv.com/news/19587979/detail.html

[eatcupcakes]

Was it ever suggested why Casey didn't have an abortion (a lot has been said about why she didn't put the child up for adoption)?

I know she hid her pregnancy from others, but I haven't heard that she wasn't aware of it herself.

from what I have read I get the impression that the Liar did not know she was PG until she was about 7 months. Has anyone else heard this.

[Marian Paroo]

i heard that she knew at that point, but I don't know when she did realise it, but her parents only caught on at that point.

I think she realised it much early -- she would be aware of every ounce that she put on.

[Gatordog]

You know, I hear a lot of stories about women who "didn't know" they were pregnant, but I'm going to bet this isn't one of them. There is an ultrasound of Caylee around that house, so she must have gotten prenatal care. Jesse Grund was told Caylee was his long before Cindy even knew Casey was pregnant, so he knew...

I have no idea why...maybe she thought she would love her? Maybe she wanted to fill a hole in her life, have a little ready-made family to harness Jesse to the plow with? Maybe she was just too lazy to make an appointment in her window of opportunity?

I know some people say Cindy wouldn't let her get an abortion, but she apparently didn't know until after 7 months, when for all intents and purposes abortion is not an option...

Perhaps she was just too afraid to tell Cindy. I had a friend who was pregnant and afraid to tell he parents, specifically her mother. She stole her sister's college ID and had the procedure. Perhaps this was the case. She waited so long thinking that she was just late, but then it was too long to do anything about the pregnancy. Let's face it, this woman has a habit of ignoring the truth and making up fantasies.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I believe this was a no win situation, and always would be. There would always be dissention between Casey and Cindy, and Caylee would always have been caught up in the middle. For Caylee, it started from the moment she was born, and the tug of war ensued....but she had a right to live, to be, and that brings it all right back to Cindy. In not allowing Casey to become her own person, and enabling the selfishness that she so wonderfully cultivated ~ she created the monster.

Even Nancy Grace was able to say straight up, she could never be a defense atty because she wouldn't be able to sleep at night. All those on the defense team, with the exception of Lyons, I have no respect for. Lyons only gripe (from what she puts out there) is that she is anti DP, and you know I've said it, I wouldn't care if she rots in jail eating pork rinds for the rest of her life. I rather like the idea of that lifestyle switch...

The rest...they have sold their souls to the devil, in the name of justice. That is even dooubtful...I think it's more for the love of the almighty dollar and an easier job. More of the bad guys than the good guys running around.

Casey was never taught that Caylee wasn't a burden, but a piece of her, an extension of herself...how does one kill That?

Strickland is making sure this case does not come back around again. It's all good.

Very well said OS. I think that when a woman decides to have a baby, that baby comes first. Baby shoes come before handbags, school books come before partying, etc., bedtime stories are more important than dates. The trouble is young girls think having a baby to love is like having a doll you dress up and carry around. It's a living, breathing person who needs it's mother for survival and love. When you have a baby, you should put yourself second and too many kids are too selfish. And grandmas who make their daughters keep the babies aren't doing anyone, especially the baby, a favor. I see so many abused children, so many injured children - mentally as well as physically. It shouldn't happen. And to all those people who insist that everyone has a right to life, then they have a moral obligation to make sure that child has a decent life. Just because a child is born doesn't make everything ok. Someone, whether it's grandma, an aunt, the father, or grandpa needs to see that the child is happy and healthy. Just giving birth to a child is not fulfilling his or her needs.

[Gatordog]

Apparently she did want a friend of hers to adopt the baby, but Cindy vetoed it, and Casey didn't have the balls to go through with it.

But was I was thinking here was that she deliberately got pregnant with plans to sell the baby.

Jesse Grund wanted to put the baby up for adoption but the Liar said no way was she going to have a baby and give it to someone else. She teased the friend with the thought of having Caylee only because the friend could not have her own children. It was cruel.

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9194160]Just a couple of comments about this article....
Is Baez f'ing serious that this is cruel? :eek: :cuss: Cruel is Casey killing Caylee.

It appears the new attorney will fit right in but at least she said please.....
"Please get that out of my face," Lyon replied.



Casey's Attorney Says Video Release Would Be "Cruel"

Posted: 7:15 am EDT May 28, 2009Updated: 6:30 pm EDT May 28, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. --snip

Casey's attorney told Judge Stan Strickland the jailhouse video should be sealed permanently because making it public would be "cruel" and "inhumane." However, Baez will get access to two private investigators and her family's phone records because they did not contest the motion.

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You want to talk cruel and inhumane - making us have to watch those four beasties at the defense table - that was cruel and inhumane. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Between the popping shirt and greasy skin, the corset suit and frizzy hair, the green handkerchief and well everything, the barettes and grey roots, I thought I would have to darken the picture on the tv and just listen to the sound. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Marian Paroo]

Jesse Grund wanted to put the baby up for adoption but the Liar said no way was she going to have a baby and give it to someone else. She teased the friend with the thought of having Caylee only because the friend could not have her own children. It was cruel.

I didn't know that about her teasing the friend for spite -- I thought she was really planning to arrange an adoption with the friend 'til Cindy stepped in.

I'm not going to say amazing that Caylee has any friends at all, because I knew someone who would cruelly play her friends (heck I was one of her victims) with a "poor little me" act and she could get away with it for very long periods of time.

[Amy]

I read an article today that said she dealt with 30 potential DP cases and was successful on 19 of them...the stats were weird, though, I will look for links...

eta: try this: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony-what-are-they-saying-about-new-defense-attorney.html

I don't get why she was on 30 dp cases, but was only with 19 (all of which she won) by penalty phase. Does she quit if she sees a lost cause?

First, I would say I don't know why the discrepancy. But, I figure that, when lawyers give out their information (to media, or on their Websites) they figure folks to just take their word on what their accomplishments were. I don't think they expect folks to actually look further, to check some of the actual cases, etc. To wonder why the numbers don't add up, as you note.

Such as, Jose's (non-functioning) website would have you to believe he was the lawyer in ever so many cases (dp and otherwise) but investigation of the "story" showed that he was "a" lawyer, or as was most often the case, an intern on the cases he was "involved" with. I don't think he tho't people would look past what he wrote.

As with Mark Geragos, @ the time the SP trial was going on, his win record (the numbers) was on HIS website, but when some posters investigated, he was including cases where the attorney of note was HIS DAD, and I'm not sure he was even "an" attorney on all those case.

Just more double talk from silver tongued devil attorneys, IMO. I'm sure, when someone comes up w/the reason for the discrepancy, there will be a layerese explanation--pointing out that we read it wrong in the first place.

[Amy]

So the phone numbers and addresses for Zanny that Cindy has, do they match up to Jesse's information? :tongue:

OMG, don't give her any ideas. The next thing we know, she will go thru that bottomless drawer where the baby daddy's obit was tossed, along w/the paperwork from the lawyer she says she consulted about Cindy/Casey being the only ones ever in charge of Caylee (keeping her from baby daddy and/or his relatives.) She'll probably pretend to dig thru that drawer and come up Zanny contact info. (Geesh, I hope this page of message board slips by her.) What else information has she tossed into that elusive drawer?

[tv]

You think we can hang on that long? What will we talk about for the next 2 years? :shrug: :eek:

Unfortunately, some other evil creature will come along and do something equally horrendous and give us something to talk about. It's just a matter of time. :(

[browneyes106]

I find the part about Kiomarie Torres wanting to adopt Caylee to be really weird. If she is the same age as Casey would a 19 year or 20 year old be so ready to adopt.

[browneyes106]

Is Casey wondering if she will look like this after a few years in jail? No more ingenue I bet after a few years of pork rinds and pop tarts. If Casey is lucky after a few years the only sex she will have is with a woman known as Big Bertha.

Probably. I don't think Casey is pretty at all. Too much of gums show. Too bad she won't be in gen pop because usually inmates who get their teeth knocked are fitted with horrible dentures.

[Amy]

George Anthony says he is glad Caylee memorial is gone
The makeshift memorial for Caylee Anthony, daughter of Casey Anthony, has been removed.


Where there were once mounds of teddy bears and hundreds of flowers to mark the spot where the remains of Caylee Marie Anthony were found, there are now only remnants.

It is not clear who removed the makeshift memorial to the slain 2-year-old on Suburban Drive, just a short walk from where she lived with her mother, Casey Anthony, and her grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, in east Orange County.

George Anthony told the Orlando Sentinel that a neighbor told him Tuesday the lot was cleared. He didn't know who did it.

"To be honest, I'm glad it's been cleaned up," said Anthony. "I, deep inside, appreciate how people care for Caylee. There are no words inside I can express for the people who have come to love her. But her body and spirit aren't there. They're gone. She's with God. She's with Jesus."...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-052709,0,6943476.story

Methinks George isn't exactly up on what a memorial is. Of course, George, EVERYONE knows her body and spirit aren't there---DUH. OTOH, it is noce to see that he is acknowledging that there are people other than Cindy's select few who care for Caylee.

I think, whomever removed the memorial things probably was on the right track. It has to be getting to smell, attract bugs and other creatures, etc and would only get worse, as hotter weather and hurricanes come along. IMO. Sure hope the flowers all bloom, and people like whomever removed the teddy bears would maybe go by and weed it, kind of keep it a tad bit groomed.

[Amy]

ITA. If any one of her boyfriends should be going thru anything, it should be the one who sent her the Chloroform (not funny) joke via email. Forgot his name. That wasn't Lazzaro was it? I don't see Jesse as a problem in any way. If they keep pushing that envelope, they should be sued to high heaven! Unless of course Jesse is not the person we know him to be and they prove to me with some hard evidence, that he was capable of this crime. I don't expect that to happen.

IIRC, Jesse Grund was the person who sent the chloroform joke. Which, IMO, is one of the reasons Cindy tries to keep him front and center as the possible nanny.

I don't see ANY of the people who they are trying to throw under the bus as being the nanny. But, her relationship w/Jesse was somewhat distant--2 boyfriends ago? Except to take him by the pool to show off--was that TonE L? Or the Tony R?---that she had a new beau, I didn't think they spent much time together @ all. And, IMO, if she was getting Jesse to babysit Caylee when she couldn't convince Cindy to, I'm thinking she'd be texting that all over the place. "Hey, my ex-boyfriend is sitting @ home baby sitting Caylee while I go out and have fun!!!" Most girls would think that would be pretty cool, IMO.

[eatcupcakes]

Only if you're calling Cindy the Liar. Casey was telling Jesse Grund he was the father way earlier, I think...

I guess this is a den of liars. Cindys telling her brother KC was not PG at his wedding and KC telling Jesse he was the father and it goes on and on. I guess they should just call the book and movie "Liar Liar" oh that name was already used for a Comedy. Well I guess we can call this a Black Comedy.

By the way anyone know what Lee has been up to.

[lorettalockhorn]

here's a fun read: more on Lyon. Note a common thread in all we've read of her so far: she likes the abuse excuse. The A's are going to be roasted, imo...

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2005/11/behind_the_musi.html

Lyon can quote the Ten Commandments until it harelips the Pope and I won't be convinced that capital punishment isn't part of God's plan; Jesus died on the cross without divine intervention or intercession.

Something else struck me while I was pulling weeds. (I do my best thinking in the dirt!) Baez claims that the OCSO duped Casey and circumvented her right to due process by taking her to sick bay on the day of he discovery of Caylee's remains, but just what exactly was he rushing to the jail for that day at that time? Was he by her side each time there was a sighting of a live Caylee? Was he with her each time there was any scare that Caylee had been found alive or dead? Or could it be that he knew that she would react the way she did? Because he also knew that the remains were Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

OMG, don't give her any ideas. The next thing we know, she will go thru that bottomless drawer where the baby daddy's obit was tossed, along w/the paperwork from the lawyer she says she consulted about Cindy/Casey being the only ones ever in charge of Caylee (keeping her from baby daddy and/or his relatives.) She'll probably pretend to dig thru that drawer and come up Zanny contact info. (Geesh, I hope this page of message board slips by her.) What else information has she tossed into that elusive drawer?

GOOD! And once again there will be evidence that she has lied, obstructed, obfuscated, etc. ad nauseum, ad infinitum. She never had Zanny's information; she just can't help but lie. The tree don't grow far from the nut. Go to jail, Cindy. Directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do collect a strip search.

[lorettalockhorn]

So if thats Lyons MO to go with sexual abuse this could get beyond ugly. I could see it totally destroying G. C may be portrayed as the controlling psycho b/i/t/c/h on wheels. Thus result being Liar. What else is there that she could use to spare the DP? As i stated above Liar had told jesse a bit ago bout lee coming on to her. This could get soooooooo ugly. MOO

Well, it would be interesting to see how Cindy's unconditional love theory is put to work here. Let's see. G&C don't advocate for Caylee because they luvvvvv Casey so much they have to support her and can't figure out how to both love Casey, wish her the best AND want justice for their granddaughter. So if Lyon uses the abuse excuse and it includes Lee's attempt to sex up Casey, who are they going to choose to support in that instance?

[Gatordog]

IIRC, Jesse Grund was the person who sent the chloroform joke. Which, IMO, is one of the reasons Cindy tries to keep him front and center as the possible nanny.

I don't see ANY of the people who they are trying to throw under the bus as being the nanny. But, her relationship w/Jesse was somewhat distant--2 boyfriends ago? Except to take him by the pool to show off--was that TonE L? Or the Tony R?---that she had a new beau, I didn't think they spent much time together @ all. And, IMO, if she was getting Jesse to babysit Caylee when she couldn't convince Cindy to, I'm thinking she'd be texting that all over the place. "Hey, my ex-boyfriend is sitting @ home baby sitting Caylee while I go out and have fun!!!" Most girls would think that would be pretty cool, IMO.

Wasn't it Ricardo who sent the chloroform joke?

[Gatordog]

I am more convinced than ever that C was crying. She met Lyon,she is not a 10. Perhaps thinking she is gunning for G,Lee and me mach 90 :D Brad has looked pretty glum also last two times in court. The noose is tightening :beer:

Hi Beem, I agree with what you wrote. Perhaps Lyon set the record straight with cindy and told her that her job will be to avoid the death penalty, the guilty verdict is set in stone. I still find it very interesting that Brad was sitting alone and very far from the Ants. He has also been exceptionally quiet. He used to be on local news almost everday. I think his eyes were opened at the depo regarding the character of his clients.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

jav, thank you so much for this link! Hate to say it, but I like her. Her ideals, and her reasons for doing what she does...commendable. There are so many parts of the piece I wanted to quote here...I guess I'll go back andjust grab a few sentences out of it...She is vehemently against the DP, no matter what happened.
This definately might be the reason for Cindy being so upset ~ the full impact is coming to light, and I'm sure Ms. Lyons had a chat with the Anthony's when they met.......Andrea is like a bulldog when she gets into a case, and doesn't **** around. I think she told them straight up what's on the line here. Finally. I don't think LKB bothered, if you know what I mean........

Agree with her work being commendable and she seems like an awesome force to be reckoned with. I respect that. Who the heck wants a half-assed attorney? Not sure how I see where Casey fits into the demographics of her regular clientele. And Lyon's courtroom demeanor (just from what I've read) sounds overly theatrical, maybe from her own mother's influence. It's going to be interesting to see how much we see of Lyon during the guilt phase if at all, or if she only pipes in during the penalty phase.

[lorettalockhorn]

Casey. That is part of the pathology. Poor Lee.

Here's a question: would they have the cojones to ask Lee to cop to an unnatural affection for his sister? Would he do it to save her?

Yes.

Gawd, I hope not! Despite his maniacal laughter at inappropriate times, he has a chance of being a normal human being. Well, except for making an ass of himself on the thing when he tore up the Caylee memorial.

[Gatordog]

Yes.

Gawd, I hope not! Despite his maniacal laughter at inappropriate times, he has a chance of being a normal human being. Well, except for making an ass of himself on the thing when he tore up the Caylee memorial.

Woo-Hoo http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) - that was brilliant Loretta. He really did make an ass of himself on the thing!

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry Loretta i misread your post with the question. Prolly Liar since it's her life on the line.

S'okay. Y'all are right, but it's going to make Cindy look like AAOTT if she doesn't love Lee unconditionally and throws him under the bus (with Caylee). And if it's worse to have hots for moocher than to commit murder.

[One2Snoop]

Wasn't it Ricardo who sent the chloroform joke?

Yes, it was Ricardo....

Jose Baez-The Casey Anthony Attorney Seeks Chloroform Information on Richardo Morales
January 25, 2009

Baez, the attorney for Casey Anthony filed a motion late Friday afternoon seeking more information about an ex-boyfriend of Casey Anthony, who posted a picture on MySpace. That Picture showed a man and woman with the title “win her over with chloroform.”
snip


http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/jose-baez-the-casey-anthony-attorney-seeks-chloroform-information-on-richardo-morales/

[lorettalockhorn]

Woo-Hoo http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) - that was brilliant Loretta. He really did make an ass of homself on the thing!

And the way he was dressed. :eek: Not even a 2!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if that might not actually have been kind of a normal response given the situation...can you imagine the us vs. them talk that was going on in that house? A poster who hit and ran another board said that the memorial had a Caylee is Missing t-shirt hanging on it, and someone had scrawled "disbelief" across it, and that set him off according to the poster (who some think was CA)

She probably does drive bys on all the boards! So Lee could read that from inside the house? hmmm And here we thought all the Ants were blind. :hat:

[Its just me]

I seriously doubt anyone who knows anything about this case believes Casey is innocent including the defense team. I just can't imagine someone killing their own child and I have often wondered if Caylee's death could possibly have been an accident.... but since it doesn't appear to be a part of the defense I’ve become fully convinced that Casey cold hearted murdered little Caylee. I also fully believe that anyone who is willing to twist the truth to point to some other reason for Caylee's death in order to defend the real killer has lost their sense of reality and lives in a world of stupor without a conscience. IMHOO that is a very sad dilemma to be in and I consider them just one step above the murderer. My dad told me many times “there is such a thing as an educated fool” and going to the extreme to argue every knowledgeable concept to pled for Casey’s life when she didn’t give a ratz ass about her own child’s life looks downright foolish to me.

“Thank You” to each of you for never forgetting Caylee deserves justice.

:rose: For Caylee

[Native Alien]

Like I said before, this case is going to get ugly, very ugly, and it is going to do so very fast.

[Gatordog]

Cindy-if your cruising on thru :seeya:

Hi Cindy, just to let you know I didn't forget you. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-024.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Marian Paroo]

Like I said before, this case is going to get ugly, very ugly, and it is going to do so very fast.

Good. So maybe Greta van Sustern will get back to it, instead of pretending that she can do politics.:mad:

[Gatordog]

i cant come up with one???? I caught the could not finish school. Should read she chose not to finish school. Good gawd.

Beem, that's exactly the line that stuck out at me. She was already a drop out before she was pregnant. She made no attempt to go to college.

[deacon]

i cant come up with one???? I caught the could not finish school. Should read she chose not to finish school. Good gawd.

Can you imagine cindy's reaction if the use the abuse excuse and use her as one of the verbal abusers? You talk about snap, crackle, pop! She will go nuts!

[samanthajane13]

Okay.

I'm totally frustrated.

I scoured Cindy's depos-line by line-till I thought my eyes would bleed and I'd lose my mind from all her BS, obfuscation, "That's not relevant to this case" (paraphrasing here, folks) crap and double talk.

I had to stop reading or risk my sanity.

I can't believe the typos!! And yeah-I realize it was the raw-unedited copy-but some of the stuff in there couldn't have been English words-even if taken with a LARGE grain of salt.

I couldn't believe how many times Z's attorney had to rephrase most of the questions just to get a simple yes or no!!!

When the Skank comes up for trial, I'm convinced that Cindy is going to continue with this crap, and I seriously believe that the court will see her as a hostile witness and slap her butt in the slammer right next to The Skank on contempt charges.

And she deserves everything they can nail her with-and probably MUCH MORE.

Now-my question...

Where the Hell did the "ass on the thing" quote come from???

Got a link???

I mean other than the whole raw transcript of the depo???

Pretty please???

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay.

I'm totally frustrated.

I scoured Cindy's depos-line by line-till I thought my eyes would bleed and I'd lose my mind from all her BS, obfuscation, "That's not relevant to this case" (paraphrasing here, folks) crap and double talk.

I had to stop reading or risk my sanity.

I can't believe the typos!! And yeah-I realize it was the raw-unedited copy-but some of the stuff in there couldn't have been English words-even if taken with a LARGE grain of salt.

I couldn't believe how many times Z's attorney had to rephrase most of the questions just to get a simple yes or no!!!

When the Skank comes up for trial, I'm convinced that Cindy is going to continue with this crap, and I seriously believe that the court will see her as a hostile witness and slap her butt in the slammer right next to The Skank on contempt charges.

And she deserves everything they can nail her with-and probably MUCH MORE.

Now-my question...

Where the Hell did the "ass on the thing" quote come from???

Got a link???

I mean other than the whole raw transcript of the depo???

Pretty please???

Page 176,lines 2 and 3.

http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

Funniest thing evah!

[samanthajane13]

Loretta, YOU ROCK!!!!

:biggrin:

I WORSHIP YOU, BABE!!!

[Amy]

Okay.

I'm totally frustrated.

I scoured Cindy's depos-line by line-till I thought my eyes would bleed and I'd lose my mind from all her BS, obfuscation, "That's not relevant to this case" (paraphrasing here, folks) crap and double talk.

I had to stop reading or risk my sanity.

I can't believe the typos!! And yeah-I realize it was the raw-unedited copy-but some of the stuff in there couldn't have been English words-even if taken with a LARGE grain of salt.

I couldn't believe how many times Z's attorney had to rephrase most of the questions just to get a simple yes or no!!!

When the Skank comes up for trial, I'm convinced that Cindy is going to continue with this crap, and I seriously believe that the court will see her as a hostile witness and slap her butt in the slammer right next to The Skank on contempt charges.

And she deserves everything they can nail her with-and probably MUCH MORE.

Now-my question...

Where the Hell did the "ass on the thing" quote come from???

Got a link???

I mean other than the whole raw transcript of the depo???

Pretty please???

I don't know where it was ever mentioned in mainstream media, but it was a whole lot on message boards. All I know it was when Morgan (or whomever was asking questions @ the time) brought up the fight on the night of the 15th. I guess, not wanting to make an ass of himself on the thing, he didn't persue that line of questioning. I don't know how far into her depo that came up, and my stomach is too weak to listen to it to find it.

[Amy]

Page 176,lines 2 and 3.

http://www.forthepeople.com/CAnthony-Depo.pdf

Funniest thing evah!

Thanks for the link. I do notice that, on page 175, she says there was a fight. Just, a couple of questions later, the fight wasn't w/her. I wonder, exactly WHO Casey had a fight w/that night? It seems that George was @ work, Lee wasn't around. That left Cindy and Caylee in the house w/Casey. So, does that mean that the fight would have been between CAYLEE and Casey? I realize that Caylee was one smart little girl, but I don't see a "loud arguement" or fight between a 2 y/o and her mother. Unless, the mother who put her hands around her daughter's neck during that fight, wasn't Cindy. Hmmmm......

[samanthajane13]

OMG!!!!

Thank you so much, Loretta!!!

Do you think they have any idea that Cindy totally screwed The Skank???

And probably crucified the whole family, to boot!!!

DAMN, is she STUPID!!!

At least I could read this copy without needing a Pig Latin/Klingon/English translator!!!

Yup-I think they're ALL goin' down for this!!

What an idiotic, argumentative psycho!!!

:biggrin:

[Amy]

I'm laughing again! How did they keep a straight face and keep going?

A few lines down, she says to Mitnik "No, answer the question..." Control issues, hahahaha!

I was reading that, too. And remembering from what of the depo I could sit still for. WHO did she think was in charge of the depo. I guess Brad didn't warn her ahead of time that HER position was to ANSWER the questions asked, not to question the lawyer!!! Of course, he might not have had a clue that they would try to run the show. (Someone, I think, has his head in the sand much of the time. I sure don't think I would have lasted as long as he has, that's for sure.)

I do hope that, by the time the trial comes around, that someone has been able to school the A's in courtroom proceedings, up to and including how one would best be conducting one's self on the witness stand. And to remind them of the little things like, the JUDGE is in charge, and the attorneys are a tad bit higher on the courtroom totem pole than the witnesses, regardless of the relationship between witness and defendant (or victim.)

BTW, if it was ever discussed, either I missed it or zoned it out--exactly HOW did Brad Conway become the A's lawyer? Did they go thru the yellow pages? Did NeJames give them some names to look @? Or did Jose recommend names? I wonder if BC rues the day he hooked up w/the A's? Well, not enough to extricate himself from the deal. He always has the same choice NeJames did--if the client(s) does not seem to accept any of his advice, the relationship should be severed.

[Amy]

best deposition ever!

The weird typos and stuff, I was told by a court reporter, is caused by the use of a voice recognition program, it does it automatically and then it is checked by a human. One more way to put people out of work :(

I would think it would take the human a lot longer to go thru the voice activated document and spruce it up than it would be to have a court reporter there during the proceedings. Much more accurate, too, cuz the person checking the document would supposedly have to contact someone who was there to clear up some of the stuff. Or, putting his/her own spin something that isn't quite clear, which isn't a good idea @ all. IMO

That would be scary, if the human checker would go to the source (the person speaking what can't be deciphered) and go to Cindy or George---they would likely change what was said or meant, just cuz they could, or they might realize the point in question didn't put them in a very good light.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, YOU ROCK!!!!

:biggrin:

I WORSHIP YOU, BABE!!!

Aww everyone here on Team Caylee is the best! :tongue:

And that deposition was MUST See TV! Does anyone recall when the judge makes a decision on the uncooperativeness of the tyrANTs? (It didn't already happen did it?)

[lorettalockhorn]

I cannot wait for the criminal trial depos. I just hope they don't come to their senses and take the fifth.

Sometimes sympathy for Conway rises in my throat like bile.

I would FLOVE it if G or C took the fifth, it would confirm my suspicions that they were involved on some level at some point. Conway is a fool. It was obvious what G&C were all about before he hooked up with them. I really think at some point he's going to have to decide between them which one he'll represent.

[samanthajane13]

"I do hope that, by the time the trial comes around, that someone has been able to school the A's in courtroom proceedings, up to and including how one would best be conducting one's self on the witness stand. And to remind them of the little things like, the JUDGE is in charge, and the attorneys are a tad bit higher on the courtroom totem pole than the witnesses, regardless of the relationship between witness and defendant (or victim.)"

I would think that of all the players in this little game, that George would have a VERY GOOD IDEA of how to conduct himself in a court room, ESPECIALLY since he's former LEO, but he wasn't MUCH better than Cindy!!!

But maybe he never had to testify for one of his cases??? Do we know how long he was in LE???

And the bit about the attorney giving him the finger...for cryin' out loud!!!

I ALWAYS use my middle finger to adjust my glasses, too!!! Always have!!! I guess it's just the way I'm wired.

NOBODY ever accused me of giving them the finger when do that, though!!!

Only George could find something insulting in it.

What a-holes!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the link. I do notice that, on page 175, she says there was a fight. Just, a couple of questions later, the fight wasn't w/her. I wonder, exactly WHO Casey had a fight w/that night? It seems that George was @ work, Lee wasn't around. That left Cindy and Caylee in the house w/Casey. So, does that mean that the fight would have been between CAYLEE and Casey? I realize that Caylee was one smart little girl, but I don't see a "loud arguement" or fight between a 2 y/o and her mother. Unless, the mother who put her hands around her daughter's neck during that fight, wasn't Cindy. Hmmmm......

I don't get it. Who in her right mind fights with a two year old?!

You know a weird thing I've noticed?

Look on page 175 line 3. Cindy says the civil trial is important to her because it affects her "granddaughter" (not daughter). Elsewhere, she said that Casey is still protecting the family and Caylee.

How does this affect Caylee or how can she be protected? She's dead! I think its also telling Cindy doesn't say this affects Casey...I think Casey's jealousy was well-founded. I bet that's why she got all weird about Jesse loving Caylee...she already had that problem with her mother, so she saw it in him, whether it existed or not.

Its all just weird...

I don't get it. And like Grinchy gives a rat's patoot about Caylee anyway. She blew it when it was time to protect her. :cuss:

[samanthajane13]

"I know-I hope its taking it's toll"

Well-I guess she'd better get used to it that way. :biggrin:

What NORMAL guy OR girl would want her???

I'm not talking about the jail-house groupies.

[lorettalockhorn]

O/T-Octo mom inked a deal for her reality show :eek:

Can you put OctoMom and reality in the same sentence? :rolleyes::shrug::confused::biggrin::hat::D

[samanthajane13]

"O/T-Octo mom inked a deal for her reality show"

WTF??? Just shoot me...:(

[samanthajane13]

Can I just SLAP HER???

[samanthajane13]

OT-Larry King just sang take Me Out To The Ballgame at the Cubs/Dodgers game!!!

Gotta LOVE the Larry!!

[samanthajane13]

Wasn't expecting him to be Pavoratti, and he wasn't.

He was Larry and he did admirably!!!

[Justice Denied?]

Is Casey wondering if she will look like this after a few years in jail? No more ingenue I bet after a few years of pork rinds and pop tarts. If Casey is lucky after a few years the only sex she will have is with a woman known as Big Bertha.

After a few years in jail, Casey may BE Big Bertha. LOL MOO

[Gatordog]

Wow, I wonder how he would choose...and if THEY end up in an adversarial position, would he have to recuse himself from being their attorney as he may know stuff from each of them?

How did this turn into such a circus...

Bozo the Clown is the Ringmaster.

[Justice Denied?]

The article posted on this thread only referred to her winning life for 19 out of 20 death penalty cases, not an acquittal rate. If you find an article that says she gets straight out acquittals , I think you can go ahead and post it. As far as I can tell, the winning of cases does not point to an acquittal rate. But I have not read everything out there obviously, so I am open to any new stuff! I am editing to add what Loretta found referring to her success rate and it only mentions her winning record in relation to getting life sentences for clients." In her more than three decades of criminal-defense work, which began in 1976, when she joined only a handful of women in the public defender’s office, Lyon has tried 132 murder cases and defended more than 30 potential capital cases.She has a perfect record of winning life sentences in each of the capital cases she has taken through the penalty phase — 19 to date...." I could not find anything on WESH or really anywhere else that refers to her high acquittal rate. I think in this case the best she can hope for is a hung jury if that. I just don't see 12 people letting Casey walk. You may get one lone juror as a holdout on something but no way you will get 12 to acquit her. I think she may have been brought aboard for after the the conviction and because Jose can't legally try the case without a qualified DP lawyer. I bet Jose will never let go of the case and he will still try to be head cheese. JMO

You are totally correct. I definitely used the wrong word when I said " Acquital". Shoul of said " getting life sentences" or something similar. That was what I meant. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for correcting the erronious information.

[Gatordog]

I should make clear those were my words in the last paragraph...what AL might say...

Nope, she doesn't fit into her usual clientele, but I believe defense definitely contacted Her to help, and she didn't say in the Chicago Tribute interview she takes on 2 outside cases when she can to (sharpen her claws LOLOLOL my words)....I think she also said pro bono (ah hem) or is that just for people who truly don't have a pot to piss in? Cause....apparently Casey and the Ant's have $ from the sales of everything Caylee, so I'm sure she is going to charge 'em!

They needed someone to get her off DP and that's why AL is on board....if Strickland allows her to be!


We can only hope Strickland doesn't allow her to be.

She's a brilliant woman, from what I've read. I'm on the fence about the death penalty. (I see death as peaceful) But as far as pro bono is concerned, these people are not impoverished. I respect her generosity, but go help a 13 year old charged with murder who comes from the projects and never drove a car, or danced at Fusion, or someone who doesn't know what a house in the burbs looks like inside. Maybe she could find more hope in some young poverty stricken kid who's parents made him crawl thru glass to get a decent winter jacket, with horrible abuse as a fringe benefit, instead of having a closet full of nice clothes, 35 (?) pairs of shoes and free room and board, plus meals.

Why the Hell is she throwing her pearls before the Anthony's? AL should put a lean on the cars, boat and house before she speaks one word in defense of a murdering, self absorbed, spoiled rotten POS.

I hope Strickland refuses her on the grounds that liar has gotten enough freebies. For the luv a pete, she's not from the Royal family! And she killed a very precious child! :cuss: What's with the special treatment? If I can't afford Lyons, neither can she! Fongool!:cuss:

(Makes you wonder about that 15 minutes of fame feature don't it?):rolleyes:

Did she say she was doing this pro bono? My understanding is that the tax payers are going to foot the bill for the experts and DP attorney. I hope I am wrong especially since she has more "specialists" on her team than a hospital.

[Justice Denied?]

Well? HAVE you ever seen them together?

That is too, too funny. Haven't laughed out loud in a while. Thanks!

[Gatordog]

java it is a circus. I luv loretta's phrase clown car (another topic) So far we have aboard Bozo,fierce lyon,agitated ant's and i think the car is really going to get crowded. If all of em had shut their mouths and liar had lawyered up much earlier we would not have so much entertainment. There would have been no civil perhaps. They created the mess all of em way before the crime was committed. I am glad they talk way too much cuz it's whats gonna sink em all. MOO

Don't forget Henry Lee and Dr. Kobeleski.

[Justice Denied?]

Was it ever suggested why Casey didn't have an abortion (a lot has been said about why she didn't put the child up for adoption)?

I know she hid her pregnancy from others, but I haven't heard that she wasn't aware of it herself.

Knowing the Anthony family and haviing seen Casey'd behavior, I'm guessing she was in denial the first 6 months.

[mu8shark]

So if thats Lyons MO to go with sexual abuse this could get beyond ugly. I could see it totally destroying G. C may be portrayed as the controlling psycho b/i/t/c/h on wheels. Thus result being Liar. What else is there that she could use to spare the DP? As i stated above Liar had told jesse a bit ago bout lee coming on to her. This could get soooooooo ugly. MOO The whole abuse excuse can only be used in the penalty phase as we all know there is no law that says if you were abused you are allowed one free kill... Did that sound weird? I guess, so I bet it is occuring to Cindy that the defense is not too confident in acquittal , only now trying to circle the wagons to keep her from the ultimate penalty. And frankly with Caseys history of out and out lying all the time, even if she was abused, short of someone witnessing that abuse, who the F will believe her? That is the problem when you lie, even when you tell a truth, people go oh yeah right whatever, there she goes again!

[mu8shark]

What are the conditions that Strickland can allow or disallow her??? Anyone??? The court has to allow Casey a death qualified lawyer period. So it might as well be this woman and I bet that there aren't many reasons he would deny her, esp the whole cost thing. The judge really can't interfere and say that this woman can't do this pro bono. It is just my opinion he will allow her to represent Casey.

[mu8shark]

You are totally correct. I definitely used the wrong word when I said " Acquital". Shoul of said " getting life sentences" or something similar. That was what I meant. Thank you for bringing this to my attention and for correcting the erronious information.
No sweat it is good to see ya and you are right Casey may indeed be Big Bertha in a few years LOL!

[mu8shark]

She'll do well in prison. Unfortunately. She'll find a couple of people to manipulate, a couple of people to steal from...she's got the right mindset. User. imo
Aw but think of the quality of her jailhouse friends and think of all the stuff she will miss in prison, no home cooking, no restaurants, no bubble bath, no shopping, no traveling, no going to the beach. How in the world did she think she would get away with this? It has always been my theory that part of the reason she killed Caylee was she wanted her freedom and now look at her, ,could it be more ironic??

[mu8shark]

Don't forget Henry Lee and Dr. Kobeleski.I really wonder if all the experts hired will be aboard by the time the trial happens. I said early on I thought some would fall by the wayside depending on the direction they are going and I esp believe Kobi may bow out. Lee is a big media w h o r e, so he will stay on for sure.

[Marian Paroo]

The way she was a "chameleon", as Jesse put it, I think she'll simply become what she is around. I kind of wonder if there IS a Casey, other than what she puts on...

I knew a woman who was that kind of "chameleon" type. Aside of getting out of depts to the government (which we the taxpayers covered) by playing poor little mommie who's ex didn't pay child support she hadn't commited any other crimes.

Yet.

[Justice Denied?]

Let's start a mock trial thread:) That ought to keep us out of trouble!

I really like the idea of this. Opening statements, anyone?

[Justice Denied?]

First, I would say I don't know why the discrepancy. But, I figure that, when lawyers give out their information (to media, or on their Websites) they figure folks to just take their word on what their accomplishments were. I don't think they expect folks to actually look further, to check some of the actual cases, etc. To wonder why the numbers don't add up, as you note.

Such as, Jose's (non-functioning) website would have you to believe he was the lawyer in ever so many cases (dp and otherwise) but investigation of the "story" showed that he was "a" lawyer, or as was most often the case, an intern on the cases he was "involved" with. I don't think he tho't people would look past what he wrote.

As with Mark Geragos, @ the time the SP trial was going on, his win record (the numbers) was on HIS website, but when some posters investigated, he was including cases where the attorney of note was HIS DAD, and I'm not sure he was even "an" attorney on all those case.

Just more double talk from silver tongued devil attorneys, IMO. I'm sure, when someone comes up w/the reason for the discrepancy, there will be a layerese explanation--pointing out that we read it wrong in the first place.

Maybe I am readingsomething into what was said that wasn't there, but the way I understood it is there were 30 POTENTIAL Death Penalty cases. the prosecution did NOT go for the DP in ten, but that Lyon won all 20 that did. Bear in mind Lyon does not specialize in the Guilt or innocence phase of a trial, but the DP phase, which is usually a diferent attorney entirely from the lead attorney in the guilt or innocence phase. After all, it would be pretty stupid for a lawyer to say, "my client didn't do it", then turn around and say "Okay, he did but spare his life."

[Justice Denied?]

Well, it would be interesting to see how Cindy's unconditional love theory is put to work here. Let's see. G&C don't advocate for Caylee because they luvvvvv Casey so much they have to support her and can't figure out how to both love Casey, wish her the best AND want justice for their granddaughter. So if Lyon uses the abuse excuse and it includes Lee's attempt to sex up Casey, who are they going to choose to support in that instance?

Who will G & C support if George is accused of incest? Surely they won't go that far, even to save Casey's life.

[Justice Denied?]

Could be a family melt down before our eyes. It might all be sinking in for C. I can see it being every man for himself. Oh and lets not forget ALL of Liars pole dancing and promiscuity WILL be a result of sexual abuse. The only thing I'm gonna hate bout it is we know its a lie and it seems disrespectful to true victims.

Speaking of poles, you can now buy one thru a TV ad. I thought of buying one and having it sent to Casey at the jail so she can stay in shape. You know, after all the pig rinds and pop tarts.

[lorettalockhorn]

Who will G & C support if George is accused of incest? Surely they won't go that far, even to save Casey's life.

Well, who supports them now?!? Yeah, yeah. I know. Cindy get thousands of letters from non-bloggers who understand unconditional love.

I don't imagine that incest is going to be part of the abuse excuse; more likely The Grinch's trying to take Caylee away from her pathetic excuse of a young hardworking daughter :rolleyes: but anything is possible during The Greatest Showboat on Earth.

[Justice Denied?]

I'm laughing again! How did they keep a straight face and keep going?

A few lines down, she says to Mitnik "No, answer the question..." Control issues, hahahaha!

Wonder what will happen if she acts like that in the criminal trial? Strickland may have alot of patience, but she may stretch it too far.

[Its just me]

Sure JD.

"Ladies and gentleman, why would a mother wait 31 days to report her child missing?"

Yea, and add that it was reported on day 31 "only" because the grandmother tracked her down living it up with her new bud and the grandmother is the person who made the 911 call. The mother wanted the grandmother to give her another day to produce the child or so she said.

(IIRC)

[Justice Denied?]

Aww everyone here on Team Caylee is the best! :tongue:

And that deposition was MUST See TV! Does anyone recall when the judge makes a decision on the uncooperativeness of the tyrANTs? (It didn't already happen did it?)

No, it is still floating around out there somewhere. I think it may be delayed because of the mess Jose made on that motion Thur. and a new lawyer coming on board. the Change of Venue is also still out there. Maybe some others I've forgotten.

[Justice Denied?]

solo

Not in CASEY'S fantasy world. Her guys reach all the way to Denver. They don't call her liar for nothing.

[Justice Denied?]

Yer right jav.

But, (there's always that but, huh jav? lol!)

Though I've had my moments when I understood their obsession with defending their daughter... sometimes I'm too angry with them for stuttering all over the tube like bleating lambs, it's too pathetic. I am certain that they are suffering transferred hysteria. They won't let the real bonafide grief have its way with them because they refuse to accept what happened.

"Arm Chair Shrink" for a minute? :hat:

That river in Egypt is powerful. De-nile. (It's also polluted, as you know) Their denial is contaminated with the blood of a beautiful innocent child. If they look at the fate of that child, they will have to see the fate of their daughter too. They know she killed Caylee. They stone, stone know.

Because Liar has been charged they've lost honor. If they can possibly taint the jury, or achieve sympathy from the public, they can get her off and life will go on, except they will be seen only as, "Those poor people who lost their granddaughter." Which is a lot better than the most likely alternative.

Don't ask Nawny what she would do if that situation happened in my life. There would be 2 dead people.

I would be in jail with 3 hots and a cot. HANDS DOWN. Finute'.

Nawny,

.That is what my sister said. She would have choked Casey to death for sure. Only she would have made it look like self-defense so she didn't go to jail herself.

[Justice Denied?]

Aw but think of the quality of her jailhouse friends and think of all the stuff she will miss in prison, no home cooking, no restaurants, no bubble bath, no shopping, no traveling, no going to the beach. How in the world did she think she would get away with this? It has always been my theory that part of the reason she killed Caylee was she wanted her freedom and now look at her, ,could it be more ironic??

She actually thought she would get away with it and go live the "beautiful life." MOO I also believe she thinks she will be acquitted and go back to doing the things she enjoyed. IMO

[Justice Denied?]

Ahhh yup!

Casey had better be careful who she tries to manipulate or steal from in prison. People have been killed over a cigarette or candy bar. I'll bet she'll be in protective custody for years.

[Justice Denied?]

sure jd.

"ladies and gentleman, why would a mother wait 31 days to report her child missing?"

go for it!!!!!!!

[Justice Denied?]

What I don't get is how this will work out if they go for innocent defense. If she's found guilty, how then can anyone say she did it because she was abused? How will they corroborate it without Casey testifying?

And what would all that do to appeals?

Now you've got me thinking. The defense cannot get abuse in unless Casey testifies. Anything else would be heresay. And Casey cannnot be allowed to testify because of failing to report Caylee missing and all the lies she told LE. JMO
Don't know about the appeal process. I have heard of one case where the defendant got a new trial because her attorney told her not to testify.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yea, and add that it was reported on day 31 "only" because the grandmother tracked her down living it up with her new bud and the grandmother is the person who made the 911 call. The mother wanted the grandmother to give her another day to produce the child or so she said.

(IIRC)

And speaking of Cindy using Amy's information to track Casey down; why didn't she do the same with Zanny's information that she keeps in her little black book and save Caylee? Oopsie! :punch:

[Amy]

[QUOTE=Danagher;9194435]

Did she say she was doing this pro bono? My understanding is that the tax payers are going to foot the bill for the experts and DP attorney. I hope I am wrong especially since she has more "specialists" on her team than a hospital.

So, if she is "indigent" doesn't she get the services of a public defender like the rest of us mortals would have to settle for? Or, in the least, those on her "team" would only be reimbursed the amount that is allotted for public defenders? It is my understanding that SOMEONE, whether it be an anonymous benefactor or from funds for selling Caylee memorabilia, advances for books and movies, etc etc etc is paying for all services so far. Either that or some or all the the "team" is doing this pro bono. Wasn't that what one of the hearings was about? Trying to determine exactly who is paying for this defense?

I would think, if the taxpayers are paying for the defense, reporters would have been running w/this info as soon as it was found out. All the remarks about the cost of the case that I have heard Baez mention is that it would cost the taxpayers a great deal more if DP is on the table, and for a COV, as in monies spent on court personnel, time having to be put in by the state attorneys, money for transport to another venue, etc etc etc.

I can't remember the case, (FL, I think one where Roy Black took on the defense, and didn't he do his share of pro bono?) but the defense wanted more experts of their choice (altho the bill was footed by the state.) They were allotted a certain amount of experts, but weren't allowed to have dozens--well, they could have dozens, but the state was only going to pay for a certain number. The rest would be pro bono or the family would have to have found way to pay them.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, it is still floating around out there somewhere. I think it may be delayed because of the mess Jose made on that motion Thur. and a new lawyer coming on board. the Change of Venue is also still out there. Maybe some others I've forgotten.

Is Judge Rodriguez setting his calendar based on Strickland's schedule? I loved it when Cindy told Morgan/Mitnik that she'd take her chances with the judge. (And he may rule in her favor. It's just her nasty snarling superior attitude that is outrageous.)

What a harridan.

[Amy]

She'll do well in prison. Unfortunately. She'll find a couple of people to manipulate, a couple of people to steal from...she's got the right mindset. User. imo

But I'm thinking she's going to meet up with a lot of women just like her--it will be interesting to see who will come out to be the top dog. I don't think her charm and manipulation will get her far, once she is amongst her own kind. And, she will be the newcomer on the block, a small fish in the big sea. And her "celebrity" status might not go to her advantage, either. Bet there's plenty of women waiting for her to meet her comeupance once she hits their cell block. Altho, I do imagine her "high profile, celebrity status" might just get her a special place where she can't be bothered by the other inmates. @ least for a while. And, if she DOES get the DP, don't they usually have their own cells, and when let out for exercise and such, other inmates aren't around?

[Amy]

Aw but think of the quality of her jailhouse friends and think of all the stuff she will miss in prison, no home cooking, no restaurants, no bubble bath, no shopping, no traveling, no going to the beach. How in the world did she think she would get away with this? It has always been my theory that part of the reason she killed Caylee was she wanted her freedom and now look at her, ,could it be more ironic??

Bolding mine:

Just like in the spouse murder cases, some of which are current cases. Wanting their freedom, no responsibilities of family, etc etc etc. Well, the no family responsibilities, or even job responsibilities came true. But, what don't they get about the probability of getting caught, and their freedom is kaput!!!!

And, for Casey, no phone, no texting, and NO FUSION!!!! I wonder if there is someway to do pole dances in prison?

[Amy]

I really wonder if all the experts hired will be aboard by the time the trial happens. I said early on I thought some would fall by the wayside depending on the direction they are going and I esp believe Kobi may bow out. Lee is a big media w h o r e, so he will stay on for sure.

I was thinking, especially if this case goes on forever before reaching trial, some may go by the wayside. But, when I really got to thinking, most of these folks seem to be names on a paper, and while they may be doing something on the case, surely it is part time, and they are able to go on with their own businesses, whatever those may be. Kind of funny, too, that all the "other" people on the "team" are very low profile, don't hear much about them @ all. Wonder if they have on their websites about their involvement w/the defense of Casey Anthony. Wonder if that would be a positive or a negative to draw business?

Haven't heard from Kobi or Lee for a long time now. Wonder what they are up to? Actually, seems to me that most of their usefulness has been done. Lee won't need to show up again until LKB has something for him to check into. I'm not exactly sure what Kobi's usefulness was, he and Lee seemed to be doing the same thing--both doctors interpreting forensics?

[Amy]

Lee is so impressive, anyway. His statement about the "stain" in the trunk where he says, "we don't know if that is human or animal decomposition. Scientists can't differentiate on things like that." (paraphrased.) Uh, DR Lee, that is exactly what scientists do!!!! Any scintilla of respect I might have had left for Dr Lee went down the tubes with that most idiotic (IMO) statement.

[Amy]

Now you've got me thinking. The defense cannot get abuse in unless Casey testifies. Anything else would be heresay. And Casey cannnot be allowed to testify because of failing to report Caylee missing and all the lies she told LE. JMO
Don't know about the appeal process. I have heard of one case where the defendant got a new trial because her attorney told her not to testify.

I tho't most defense attorneys advise their clients to not testify, altho the final decision is up to the defendant? Wonder how she could get a new trial on this--and wouldn't that set up for every defendant who did NOT testify (and I am sure on advise of the attorney) to get a new trial?

[Amy]

I thought is was G who had the side dish? Lord only knows. Yes now i am confused as to have this will play out-meaning the defense and the penalty phase. Who the hay would they even find on the planet to come in and say something nice about her (DP phase) All her so called friends must hate her now for all the lies,the murder and dragging them into this mess. Maybe a grade school teacher? That will mean alot :D She is so going down. Yes i cant wait and i do hope they open with the 31 day span. Then all the great pics etc. of what she was doing while following the script-this will be classic. MOO

I can't remember for sure, but it seemed that it was in someone's interview w/LE or the FBI, or was it in one of the Pleasa (Shirley or Uncle Rick) emails that I had read that, whilst George had moved out, Cindy did have a boyfriend who went by the wayside when George returned. That would be interesting (altho nothing to do w/Casey murdering Caylee) about the particulars of his leaving and returning. And what "deals" were made, such as, did Cindy give up the bf, or is he lurking somewhere in the background to pick up the pieces? Actually, bet he's glad he's not in the picture @ all!!!!

For SPeterson's case, the people who spoke up for him were all people from his childhood, teenage years, except one professor from college who hadn't been in contact w/him for about 5 years. He was the most "current" person to talk on SP's behalf besides some of his family. IIRC.

[Gatordog]

Jiminy Cricketts, looks like we may have another high profile child death trial in Orlando. Billy Bob Thornton's oldest daughter arrested for murdering her best friend's one year old daughter, whom she was baby sitting.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19617716/detail.html

[deacon]

Maybe...... that is what the defense is going to go for...mental abuse with psychological problems that followed...then adding in that it runs in the family...and That's why Cindy was crying! To get her daughter off Death Row, this is the only way it's going to work! (Lyons specialty!)

Cindy's facade is crumbling around her! Perfect family NOPE Perfect Life NOPE Perfect Children NOPE Pefect Grandbaby.....GONE.

Uh Oh.

If they go there she will have to admit to killing Caylee. Think she will do it?

[lighthousedazy]

No. I just don't think she can. And I bet she thinks she can testify and win, too.I agree. She probably does think that she will be believed, that some others "just distort what she says."
(paraphrased from one of the jail interviews with her parents). jmo

[lighthousedazy]

Ok Ok having a lucid moment here :D Perhaps thats all Lyon is going to argue-how cruel and inhumane the DP is? Nothing more nothing less. Perhaps that will be the DP phase. Maybe just to spare the needle and it's about the needle? You are probably right.

Beem, it will be some trial if they choose to go that way...those pics of her at Fusian will come into evidence, her texts with Amy and friends about meeting up and partying ~ hey, HTF can she explain Bella Vita OMG, there is no amount of BS they can throw at us or the jury to explain that one away...31 days and you don't tell your family? Explain THAT to a jury. Etc etc etc etc :D

Otherwise, I'm thinking the first year of the trial will be Baez's motions to supress almost everything we know up until now! Oh Lordy!! LOLOLOLOh goodness, I think or hope the trial will not go on that long. I am not sure, but I believe the following trial only lasted a couple of weeks. If you can find anything on the Teresa Fargason case where she smothered her beautiful little 6 yr old Taylor in the early 1990's in Macon, Ga. Lots of hype in the local media (before we had much CNN), the trial was moved to Valdosta GA, and Teresa was found guilty. She was much like Casey, no remorse, no regret, had a new boyfriend that didn't want children. On the night of Taylor's death, Teresa went into a Kroger in East Macon and in a few minutes she started screaming that her daughter was missing. The security cameras at Kroger showed her entering the store alone. Her daughter was found west of Macon beside a road dead with a tire mark on her arm. Teresa Fargason lived on this side of town.

I just posted about this case because it reminds me of caysee anthony and susan smith. One of the jurors stated after the trial that Teresa just sat there like a stoic and never stated or cried that she was innocent or didn't do this. And, I must state that Teresa had one of the best lawyers in Macon, GA., not like Bozo. jmo :tongue:

[deacon]

[/B]

After reading you two, I'm pretty clear on that. This case is a slammer dunker. She's toast, so the Lyon lady is well worth a go if liar is to continue breathing. From the look on liars face last round, she seems to know it. Beem? You work with the off kilt minds, what say you? Can you read the expressions of a socio?

It will be interesting to see if she keeps her record together. Florida seems to use the DP a bit. The difference in them and other states is they really do it. Some just let them rot on death row.

[Amy]

LOL!! This is fun JD!

Opening stement continued:

Ladies and gentlemen, as I Give you my opening statement, there will be times when I have to excuse myself to go puke. The reason.. this woman inspires bile within the deepest part of my anatomy because the idea, the very idea, that a mother could literally snuff out the life of such a beautiful little child, is too far beyond evil for me to imagine, so my body kinda turns on me. :(

Thank you for your patience ladies and gentlemen. Please join me, all of you, in my earnest mission to defend a child, so new, so innocent and so dead. :flamemad:

My mission is opposed to the mission of the defense. Their mission is to defend a woman, so callous, so vile and so unworthy of life. :no:

Perhaps the court should have a big supply of barf bags on hand, be sure there are some in the jury box, in the audience, and don't forget the court reporter, the attorneys, and the judge. Better make sure the bailiffs can get to some, too. :chicken:

[deacon]

No I don't think she will admit it deacon. I think she will claim she was in a severe black out and has no recall of that time period due to the mental abuse she suffered under Cindy's rein. So that means all the evidence to the fact that she did kill her baby, will be news to her. So whether she gets the DP or Life without P she is taking everyone in her family with her. Good Socio eh? "The winner takes it all" baby!

Control freaks should rethink their agendas using this story as a basic format. No one serves one better than one self. That's my motto. ;)

This is the problem I have. We ALL go through mental abuse at some time in our lives. Bosses, family, DS's(I was in the Army. Basic Training was all about mental abuse but the called toughness). The vast majority of us got over or learned to live with it, therefore, I don't see that as a reason that is viable in these cases. It is an excuse, not a reason. We, as a society, tend to accept excuses when we need to accept no less than a reason. For the proper medical fee a doctor can be found that will attest to her "mental problems" so I tend not to believe them on the witness stand no matter who is sitting at the defence table.:flamemad:

[browneyes106]

I don't think a mental illness or abuse defense will work in Casey's favor. I think Casey is a sociopath. Some people theorize she is bipolar but I don't believe that she no real history of depression parts of BP. Sure she partied and stole a lot which is often symptoms of the mania part of BP but she has no history of depression periods. Also people with BP rarely make up elaborate lies about having jobs. I think Casey is a sociopath and has no other forms of mental illness. Very are many people with mental illness who have sucessful lives and would not harm another human being. Often people with mental illness are more likely to hurt themselves.

[Marian Paroo]

I have a good friend who is biopolar. He has problems, mostly social.

He is holding down a very important job and has top security clearance.

Not saying that every person who is bipolar is so fortunate (relatively speaking), but I don't think it's a condition usually associated with violence.

[browneyes106]

I have a good friend who is biopolar. He has problems, mostly social.

He is holding down a very important job and has top security clearance.

Not saying that every person who is bipolar is so fortunate (relatively speaking), but I don't think it's a condition usually associated with violence.

I have a mild form of bp where I deal more with depression and often I get irritated easily. Even the severe forms of bp are rarely associated with violence. I have known a few people with the severe form who have ended up in jail or a mental hospital.

[Justice Denied?]

Very good! Next I would add,

Please tell me the answer, ANY ANSWER that comes to your mind, to that question. WHY would a mother wait 31 days?

Now, ladies and gentlemen, the defense attorneys here would like to have you believe that Ms Anthony was consumed with fear, for her daughter's life, for her family member's lives, but think about it ladies and gentlemen, while she was dirty dancing on stage wearing the blue dress, while she was getting Bella Vita tattoo'd on her body, while she was consumed with putting ghoulish pictures on her face book account- she was not in fear or even doing a poor imitation of fear. 31 days ladies and gentlemen.

31 days is a long time. She was too lazy, is what I'd say, too lazy to get off her ass long enough to deal with her missing daughter. Now I'm going to ask another question. Who had access to heart stickers and Winnie the poo blankets?

Excuse me ladies and gentlemen, I have to go puke now.

Good job! Now add all the evidence from the car.

[Justice Denied?]

LOL!! This is fun JD!

Opening stement continued:

Ladies and gentlemen, as I Give you my opening statement, there will be times when I have to excuse myself to go puke. The reason.. this woman inspires bile within the deepest part of my anatomy because the idea, the very idea, that a mother could literally snuff out the life of such a beautiful little child, is too far beyond evil for me to imagine, so my body kinda turns on me. :(

Thank you for your patience ladies and gentlemen. Please join me, all of you, in my earnest mission to defend a child, so new, so innocent and so dead. :flamemad:

My mission is opposed to the mission of the defense. Their mission is to defend a woman, so callous, so vile and so unworthy of life. :no:

Pretty good, but you can't stop there. You have to tell the juryabout what you are going to prove and the evidence you will use to prove it, Remember opening statement are looooong, usually 90 min to 2 hrs.

Someone suggested starting a separate thread for a mock trial. I think it would be a lot of fun and something to do until the real trial.

[Justice Denied?]

I wonder if she would have to testify if they go for abuse,, I mean mental abuse. Couldn't they put a picture together with witnesses testifying to her behaviors, tears, confusion?? If witnesses saw the depression and erratic behaviors that might make a statement to her problem with mommy dearest ,,,, no?

Remember when Jesses Grund said, "Cindy acted like Caylee was hers. She made her call her mommy in front of Casey" Stuff like that, ya know?
Well, that may fall under Hearsay.. true. :confused:

That's going to be the problem. Of course there may be some who are willing to testify to SEEING Casey's change in behavior.

[Gatordog]

Jiminy Cricketts, looks like we may have another high profile child death trial in Orlando. Billy Bob Thornton's oldest daughter arrested for murdering her best friend's one year old daughter, whom she was baby sitting.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19617716/detail.html

On the news they said the charge was murder now I heard that it was child neglect.

[samanthajane13]

Oh, sure!!!

I'm literally up all night tracking a UPS package, and the minute I log off, you come in...

Go figure!!!

[Justice Denied?]

You're probably right on most of your thinking, because nothing you said is fiction, or theory actually. I'm not sure what I think regarding the A's being tossed to the lions. They are not popular with the media or the public already. Cindy slandered Amy and Grund on International media. In the depo, she said Zanni could have been Amy or Jesse. So she's already ****ted up for that, along with the civil zanni suit and lots more. That aside:

Part of me calls her/it, an oppressed sociopath-narcissist. She was in a pressure cooker, and Cindy mishandled this mentally sick daughter of hers. I don't categorize Cindy's treatment of her under mental and emotional abuse. I call it sheer stupidity on Cindy's part.

However, it caused liar's reaction. IMO. I don't know how to say this but, I see Cindy spoiling liar then expecting her to behave responsibly. When Casey acted out in ways that embarrassed Cindy, she covered up for her, (She's not pregnant) then she went to war, using the baby as a pawn. (She calls ME mommy, not YOU) Not one family member defended the sick B!tch and she stopped caring about any of them.... if she ever did to begin with.

When her trampish behavior wasn't enough to intimidate her mother/enemy and her pretentious veneer of the classy upscale lifestyle...Casey kills Caylee. She shot into the crowd and got a few others along the way. IMO. Now the war is over, liar won. (In her eyes) George keeps cleaning his car. Cleaning obsessively is a huge statement to that family's penchant for hiding the real dirt.

"WHERE CAN THE DEFENSE GO WITHOUT SAYING SHE DID THIS HEINOUSLY?"

I agree. The DP is what they are focusing on now, not freedom or innocence. They have no case for that.
Just the DP.
IMOO

I disagree. I think the defense will fight tooth and nail for reasonable doubt during the guilt or innocence phase. They will say the prosecution can't prove how she was killed, when she was killed or that Casey was even in the county at the time it happened. IMO, JMO

I believe that Baez will handle most of the G or I phase of the trial if he hasn't been sanctioned by the bar association before then. At the rate he is going, he may not even be allowed to practice law by that time. JMO, MOO

I believe that Lyon is only there for the DP to sae Casey's life, if needed. I really think thereis a good chance she can get Casey LWOP. After all, she is very young and no prior criminal record. JMO, MOO

[Justice Denied?]

Whoops,, I am still stuck on the 31 days. It is echoing in my brain like a Swiss yodelling for Nest lee's chocolate... :hat:

I just hope it will resonate in the minds of the jurors in the same way. I honestly believe she would never have reported it. Cindy finally caught up to her and did it herself. Otherwise no one would have known. That's what I want the jury to understand.

Cindy has a lot to feel guilty about between the fight where she choked Casey and calling the police. JMO, MOO

[Amy]

I disagree. I think the defense will fight tooth and nail for reasonable doubt during the guilt or innocence phase. They will say the prosecution can't prove how she was killed, when she was killed or that Casey was even in the county at the time it happened. IMO, JMO

I believe that Baez will handle most of the G or I phase of the trial if he hasn't been sanctioned by the bar association before then. At the rate he is going, he may not even be allowed to practice law by that time. JMO, MOO

I believe that Lyon is only there for the DP to sae Casey's life, if needed. I really think thereis a good chance she can get Casey LWOP. After all, she is very young and no prior criminal record. JMO, MOO

I remember discussion about why not going to trial already (before she was charged w/murder) about all the other charges. And it was said then, if those charges are tried AFTER a murder trial, it would be better for her in the mitigation for the reasons you note.

I do hope Baez gets his act together and can put together a cogent sentence (or question) by the time the trial starts or the witnesses won't have a clue what they are being asked about!!! I do think he will have plenty of time to practice, cuz I don't see this trial happening this year, heck, maybe not even next year!!!!

I wonder, if the trial isn't for a year or so--won't Baez then meet the conditions of years of practice to be DP qualified? Of course, if he is working only on this case, he won't get any more participation in DP trials, so he wouldn't qualify on that part, IMO.

I can't see where he would have the time to work on any other case--what w/the amount of time he spends @ the jail, in front of the cameras, making motions, etc etc etc.

[JLette]

I just hope it will resonate in the minds of the jurors in the same way. I honestly believe she would never have reported it. Cindy finally caught up to her and did it herself. Otherwise no one would have known. That's what I want the jury to understand.

Cindy has a lot to feel guilty about between the fight where she choked Casey and calling the police. JMO, MOO

i still think myself that casey was going to skip outta florida and go to cali as soon as she could steal enough money and secure a nice sucker to take her in once she got there. once she did that she could just pretend like her family was dead and never have to confront her mother ever again. i really believe her plan was for Caylee AND her to be missing forever, never to be seen again

[applesandorange]

I was just doing some snooping-check after 5 p.m. on wesh. Report that Ant's were taking down a new cross from Caylee Memorial in the night? G&C chased the observer who snapped a photo out of the neighbourhood at a high rate of speed. Person was going to file a report with LE. This is just a report i read and was unable to view the video report so we can check on this later.


Casey Anthony: Did George, Cindy chase two mourners at high speed?
posted by halboedeker on Jun 2, 2009 4:58:33 PM
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Two mourners say George and Cindy Anthony chased them out of the Anthonys' neighborhood last night, WESH-Channel 2 reported this afternoon.

WESH anchor Jim Payne billed the report as "an exclusive story" and highlighted a photo "that could lead to a criminal complaint against the Anthony family."

WESH's Bob Kealing reported that the women wanted to see who was removing their tributes to Caylee Anthony, George and Cindy's granddaughter. (The women erected the cross at a memorial site that was cleaned up last week.)

So the women waited last night and found out. They said they saw Cindy Anthony take down a cross they had erected and put it in George's car.

The women snapped a photo of George in his car at the site. And that evidently precipitated the chase through the neighborhood.


The women "say they were actually chased out of the Anthonys' neighborhood last night at a high rate of speed by George and Cindy Anthony and another couple," Kealing said. The other couple are Dennis and Sherri Milstead of Kid Finders Network, the women said.

Denise Hill, one of the mourners, said the two couples tried to corner her and her friend and came walking toward them. (Her friend was no identified in the WESH report.) "Thank God for my friend's good driving, because she got us out of there," Hill said. "Our lives were in danger. They were chasing us. We weren't chasing them."

The two women were talking to detectives and filling out a complaint, Kealing said outside the Orange County Sheriff's Office. The Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, said he didn't know anything about the incident last night. Conway said last week that the Anthonys had nothing to do with clearing the memorial site, Kealing added.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/06/casey-anthony-did-george-cindy-chase-two-mourners-at-high-speed.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I disagree. I think the defense will fight tooth and nail for reasonable doubt during the guilt or innocence phase. They will say the prosecution can't prove how she was killed, when she was killed or that Casey was even in the county at the time it happened. IMO, JMO

I believe that Baez will handle most of the G or I phase of the trial if he hasn't been sanctioned by the bar association before then. At the rate he is going, he may not even be allowed to practice law by that time. JMO, MOO

I believe that Lyon is only there for the DP to sae Casey's life, if needed. I really think thereis a good chance she can get Casey LWOP. After all, she is very young and no prior criminal record. JMO, MOO

This is pretty much how I predict the trial too. And I think they'll use the SODDI defense. (Jesse Grund seems to be the lastest most likely target of Cirque du Démenti.

RE: Jose being sanctioned and/or not being allowed to handle so much as doggie poo, we can work it that way too!

[applesandorange]

ORLANDO, Fla -- Two women said they have filed a criminal complaint against George and Cindy Anthony after the Anthonys and another couple allegedly chased them out of the neighborhood where the remains of Caylee Anthony were found.

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Lois Peter and Denise Hill said two memorial signs to Caylee they've erected at the Suburban Drive site have disappeared since Friday. Monday, they said they waited around in the dark to see if they could spot who was taking the signs.

At about 10:30 p.m., they said they saw Caylee Anthony's grandparents George and Cindy Anthony removing the signs.

"I saw Cindy last night taking the cross and putting the cross in George's car, no doubt whatsoever," Peter said.

The said they two took a picture of a dark vehicle with a white haired man resembling George Anthony on the driver's side. After they took the picture, the women said they were pursued out of the neighborhood by the Anthonys and their friends from the group Kidfinders, Dennis and Sherry Milstead.

Hill said the two couples finally cornered them at the entrance of a nearby gated community.

"The Milsteads and the Anthonys blocked us in, got out of the car and came over to our car. We called 911," she said.

Tuesday afternoon they went to the sheriff's office to fill out sworn statements. The sheriff's department confirms there is a call to 911, but would not honor a request by WESH 2 to release the tape.

The Anthony's attorney Brad Conway said he is not aware of any incident involving the Anthonys.

Last week, when all the toys and signs disappeared from the impromptu memorial site, Conway said the Anthonys were not involved.

Casey Anthony is Orange County Jail awaiting trial on a first-degree murder charge in connection with her daughter Caylee Anthony’s death.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19636880/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I just hope it will resonate in the minds of the jurors in the same way. I honestly believe she would never have reported it. Cindy finally caught up to her and did it herself. Otherwise no one would have known. That's what I want the jury to understand.

Cindy has a lot to feel guilty about between the fight where she choked Casey and calling the police. JMO, MOO

We don't know that the fight occurred. Supposedly Casey told Lee, but where's the reliability there? And they neighbor(s) have not nailed down the date on screaming matches at the Ant's house.

The 31 days is going to be as difficult for the jury to comprehend as it is for anyone else. Not exactly the unconditional love that Cindy preaches. Guess Casey missed those lessons and Bible verses.

[lorettalockhorn]

i still think myself that casey was going to skip outta florida and go to cali as soon as she could steal enough money and secure a nice sucker to take her in once she got there. once she did that she could just pretend like her family was dead and never have to confront her mother ever again. i really believe her plan was for Caylee AND her to be missing forever, never to be seen again

Didn't we read that detectives went to Cali to interview Casey's Marine Corps(?) buddy? Have we seen that information in any document dumps yet? Speaking of which, aren't we due for another one?

[applesandorange]

Thanks A&O i just finished viewing the interview on you tube-stated an update at 6 p.m. Thet just never learn do they those Ant's. Good to know they are hanging out with the Milsteads-I guess they do have friends :rolleyes:


NP. It seems to me they like drama. I mean really, what is it hurting to have a cross put at the site as a memorial? Why would they want to take it down? Their actions only make them look even worse if that's possible. And the KF people too.

[lorettalockhorn]

ORLANDO, Fla -- Two women said they have filed a criminal complaint against George and Cindy Anthony after the Anthonys and another couple allegedly chased them out of the neighborhood where the remains of Caylee Anthony were found.

Watch The Story

Lois Peter and Denise Hill said two memorial signs to Caylee they've erected at the Suburban Drive site have disappeared since Friday. Monday, they said they waited around in the dark to see if they could spot who was taking the signs.

At about 10:30 p.m., they said they saw Caylee Anthony's grandparents George and Cindy Anthony removing the signs.

"I saw Cindy last night taking the cross and putting the cross in George's car, no doubt whatsoever," Peter said.

The said they two took a picture of a dark vehicle with a white haired man resembling George Anthony on the driver's side. After they took the picture, the women said they were pursued out of the neighborhood by the Anthonys and their friends from the group Kidfinders, Dennis and Sherry Milstead.

Hill said the two couples finally cornered them at the entrance of a nearby gated community.

"The Milsteads and the Anthonys blocked us in, got out of the car and came over to our car. We called 911," she said.

Tuesday afternoon they went to the sheriff's office to fill out sworn statements. The sheriff's department confirms there is a call to 911, but would not honor a request by WESH 2 to release the tape.

The Anthony's attorney Brad Conway said he is not aware of any incident involving the Anthonys.

Last week, when all the toys and signs disappeared from the impromptu memorial site, Conway said the Anthonys were not involved.

Casey Anthony is Orange County Jail awaiting trial on a first-degree murder charge in connection with her daughter Caylee Anthony’s death.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19636880/detail.html

Buy a clue, will ya Brad?! Your clients are loose cannons.

Thanks so much A&O! Good to see you. :seeya:

We've seen G&C all riled up with their baseball bat in hand, and Dennis Milstead acting like a horse's ass at JBP. Can you imagine the three of them +Sherry coming after you?!? :eek: Something tells me that G&C need to up the dosage on their meds.

[applesandorange]

Didn't we read that detectives went to Cali to interview Casey's Marine Corps(?) buddy? Have we seen that information in any document dumps yet? Speaking of which, aren't we due for another one?


Yep we for sure read that. And nope we haven't seen anything about it in any doc dumps that I remember. Hey.... yeah..... wasn't there supposed to be another one soon? That's what I thought anyway.

[applesandorange]

Buy a clue, will ya Brad?! Your clients are loose cannons.

Thanks so much A&O! Good to see you. :seeya:

We've seen G&C all riled up with their baseball bat in hand, and Dennis Milstead acting like a horse's ass at JBP. Can you imagine the three of them +Sherry coming after you?!? :eek: Something tells me that G&C need to up the dosage on their meds.


Good to see you too :)

If Brad was smart he would get as far as he could away from the A's and this whole case. That is of course IF HE WAS SMART. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks A&O i just finished viewing the interview on you tube-stated an update at 6 p.m. Thet just never learn do they those Ant's. Good to know they are hanging out with the Milsteads-I guess they do have friends :rolleyes:

With friends like the Milsteads, who needs a pit bull? (And the Milsteads prolly feel the same way about Cindy. :hat: )

[lorettalockhorn]

hmmm Lois Peter. Isn't she Dakota's grandmother? The one who's all hooked up with Murt? She and Cindy have bad blood. Truth be told, if I saw that woman in my neighborhood, I might chase her away too.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah!!! I'm part of the link club-how lazy was i that was just to easy :beer:

Siwwy Wabbit! :tongue:

[Justice Denied?]

hmmm Lois Peter. Isn't she Dakota's grandmother? The one who's all hooked up with Murt? She and Cindy have bad blood. Truth be told, if I saw that woman in my neighborhood, I might chase her away too.

I KNEW I had heard that name before but couldn't remember in what context. It was driving me crazy. Thanks, Loretta!

[lorettalockhorn]

Is Dakota the little girl who was writing to Liar waaaay back when????

I KNEW I had heard that name before but couldn't remember in what context. It was driving me crazy. Thanks, Loretta!

Yep. Pretty sure. IMO Lois has an unusual interest in Caylee. In the meantime I'm thinking that she's a slacker when it comes to providing a good home for her granddaughter considering her relationship with Murt and her management of Dakota's modeling career. But hey. That's just my opinion.

[lorettalockhorn]

Released by the defense so it could be old news. I havent had a chance to read it.

http://wdbo.com/localnews/2009/06/casey-anthonys-defense-makes-i.html

It's dated today, but I think we've read the gist of it before:

WDBO Local News
Casey Anthony's defense makes interviews with jail workers public
By
Drew Petrimoulx
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Casey Anthony's defense team made public Tuesday interviews with two corrections officers at the Orange County Jail.

The nearly 300 pages of interview transcripts detail how jail staff was instructed by the sheriff's office to record Casey's reaction to TV news coverage that a child's remains had been found near her home.

Lt. Tammy Uncer said she recorded her observations on a paper towel. Sergeant Billy Richardson said staff used a camcorder to film a surveillance video that was then delivered to the sheriff's office for evidence.

Both Uncer and Richardson objected to letting Casey watch in agony with out medical treatment as the news coverage continued for 30 to 45 minutes.

Tuesday, Casey defense refiled a motion asking a judge to block the release of the video taken that day.
Read the full transcripts below.

Link to transcripts.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks I thought he was in the army.. Marines! Okay! I don't think I saw in the dd's but I remember the email between them. She was shommzin for his affections. She must have had plans to get outta Dodge!

He might be in the Army. (I'm afraid I've forgotten more than I remember!) Honestly, I think if Casey could have gotten to Cali to spend some time with the guy and not think about Caylee and G&C and the drab life that was harshing her mellow, she would have. She knew that sooner or later it would all catch up with her. She was just going for as much time as possible. (Still cannot believe that she didn't go so far as to write herself instructions for how to [mis]behave during Timer 55.)

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]

Agree! I think she was planning a Shawshank Redemption. Crawling through the chit to get out of town. Sounds like more magical thinking but she seems famous for wagging the dog aye Beemer!?

Lord knows how long it would have taken for the world to learn that Caylee was gone. I'm going to venture to guess that Cindy would have called LE to find her though and only God knows if they would have found Caylee's remains and did the DNA thing anyway. There was no logical way liar would have gotten away with it. IMOO

Honestly, I cannot help but blame Cindy for not calling LE for a welfare check much sooner. Casey apparently had never been gone for so long. G&C didn't have any reason to believe that there was a job or nanny, etc. (unless you count Zanny's information in her little black book). Oh WAIT! She didn't check on Caylee with Zanny either!

[applesandorange]

hmmm Lois Peter. Isn't she Dakota's grandmother? The one who's all hooked up with Murt? She and Cindy have bad blood. Truth be told, if I saw that woman in my neighborhood, I might chase her away too.


You're kidding right? I thought that lady went back to where she came from or crawled under a rock somewhere. Hasn't she caused enough trouble? She's as bad as Cindy IMO.

[applesandorange]

When the media interviewed George about the clean up, he said, (after thanking those who put things on the site,) that he was glad they cleaned it up? And didn't he say, clearly, that he never goes down there to the site, because he can't handle it?


Yep, for sure that's what he said. He said he never goes down there because it's too hard on him. He's been saying that ever since the remains were found and the memorial was brand new. He said back then that he never even seen the memorial because it was too hard for him.

[applesandorange]

Okay. I watched the video and didn't like what i heard either way. Those people are really pushing F buttons. The Anthony's were out of line, but I believe those two people were acting irresponsibly too. JMOO.

The A's are losing it, why pour vinegar on the wounds? If someone wants to pay their respects" they should act respectable. Leave flowers! Go light a candle in their church! What's with the wooden signs they even took the trouble to paint. It's ghoulish. Then they hammer it in the ground and go hide in a dark corner like a couple of immature teen agers so they can take pictures.. Grow up!

GMAFB! I hate this story! The Anthony's are not alright, why go to the police and whine bag about how they feared for their lives. (After they initiated the problem?) They have no F lives or they'd be doing something for the greater good and for Caylee's memory. :rose:

They stuck their own heads in the monster's mouth. :flamemad:

WHOOPS! Two more Media Wh0res commin up! Maybe their story will get them 20K from the Enquirer and the older woman can go get her teeth fixed?



I'm used to seeing those wooden crosses all over the place here in PA. When someone dies in a car accident people put one of those crosses in the place they died. To me that isn;t unusual. It's marking the spot where the person died. I'm fairly certain that if a child got murdered by their mother and nobody from the family was sticking up for the child, there would be a wooden cross is the place the remains were found here too.

I agree with you that after watching the video and finding out who the lady was, Dakota's grandmother; she did this for the publicity. She wanted a picture to sell. She knows which buttons to push with A's. They've had bad blood for quite some time now. This lady is as bad as Cindy. I wish both of them would crawl under a rock some where.

[Amy]

Didn't we read that detectives went to Cali to interview Casey's Marine Corps(?) buddy? Have we seen that information in any document dumps yet? Speaking of which, aren't we due for another one?

All I can remember off hand about that is that Yuri Melick (sp) was one of the detectives slated to go, but he had that motorcycle accident. I don't remember reading about if anyone went, but surely someone did. You'd think that would be an interview that would be in some of the doc dumps by now.

[Amy]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-anthony-chase-060209,0,389982.story

I did it-finally. I just needed to take the time to read how to do the link thingy. Now i will post and see if i did do it right.

Hmmm......now, who do I believe is probably telling the truth. The A's, or two women trying to find out who is removing things from the memorial? Oh, gosh, it's just SOOOO hard to decide...NOT!!!!! The sad thing is, even if the A's ARE telling the truth, who's gonna believe them? If one of them said the sky is blue, I'd be looking up to check for myself!!!!

[Amy]

hmmm Lois Peter. Isn't she Dakota's grandmother? The one who's all hooked up with Murt? She and Cindy have bad blood. Truth be told, if I saw that woman in my neighborhood, I might chase her away too.

OHHHHH!!!!! Maybe I really WOULD have to think about who to believe!!! That name didn't even ring a bell. Wonder why neither party, when speaking to reporters tho't to bring that up? Why wouldn't Conway say, It was a suspicous car w/the lights off, and when George confronted them, he realized it was a "former friend" etc etc etc.

[Amy]

Is Dakota the little girl who was writing to Liar waaaay back when????

Yes, the one who ended up in the hospital w/stress related problems. And the grandmother complained that Cindy and/or Casey continued to email Dakota even after she asked them to stop--the one who didn't have the sense to BLOCK the emails, or even to supervise the granddaughter when she checked her email, and delete them before the girl could read them.

[eatcupcakes]

Honestly, I cannot help but blame Cindy for not calling LE for a welfare check much sooner. Casey apparently had never been gone for so long. G&C didn't have any reason to believe that there was a job or nanny, etc. (unless you count Zanny's information in her little black book). Oh WAIT! She didn't check on Caylee with Zanny either!

I thought Cindy did not know where Casey was. It that is true how could the police do a welfare check? Wouldn't they need an address. This whole case stinks to high heaven and the fact that C&G are going out and taking down Memorial's to Kaylee is very odd. I just don't get how these people think.

[browneyes106]

I'm used to seeing those wooden crosses all over the place here in PA. When someone dies in a car accident people put one of those crosses in the place they died. To me that isn;t unusual. It's marking the spot where the person died. I'm fairly certain that if a child got murdered by their mother and nobody from the family was sticking up for the child, there would be a wooden cross is the place the remains were found here too.

I agree with you that after watching the video and finding out who the lady was, Dakota's grandmother; she did this for the publicity. She wanted a picture to sell. She knows which buttons to push with A's. They've had bad blood for quite some time now. This lady is as bad as Cindy. I wish both of them would crawl under a rock some where.

I'm used to those crosses too. They are pretty common here too in NM. A lot of people put little memorials around the Albuquerque park where Tyrus Toribio was murdered by his mother Tiffany a couple of weeks ago. The crosses are more common with car accidents but once in awhile here crosses will be put up near murder sites. Almost ten years ago a teen couple was shot and killed while doing a Good Friday pilgrimage to the Santuario church in Chimayo. They were killed about a mile from the church there are still two crosses on the side of the road for them.

[browneyes106]

I wonder if Dakota Skii Coffey was holding vigils or contacting the Ants just to get publicity for her acting career.

http://dakotacoffey.starsearchcasting.com/

[browneyes106]

That is very scary Browneyes-all that info on a little girl :(

I agree it seems like the Grandma is trying to make money off her and that's why she was performing in bars. I wonder where her parents are. I thought it was weird that Grandmother was allowing to community with Casey.

[Gatordog]

Don't have time to read posts so if this has been posted - apologies

This was on WFTV and MYFOXORLANDO this morning. Only WFTV has the report on line at this point. If this is true, it looks as if the Ants have been to the memorial site.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19637576/detail.html

Gator

[Gatordog]

I agree with those here who are used to seeing white crosses at accident sights and, well yeah, murder sites. I've seen that here too.. I also feel the A's should leave things alone. Unfortunately, the A's are not ordinary folks. And this situation isn't ordinary either. THe whole world knows Cindy is losing it. Those two women were trying for exactly what happened. They wanted to incite her. SHe most likely knew who was leaving those crosses.
They wanted her to go balistic! In that sense, they are dead wrong. They should be arrested for harassment. They are trying to exploit the dead child and give the picture to the National Inquirer. It's sickening. It's overkill.IMO

Isn't it always about money? :mad:

I guess it has been posted already. I'm very far behind no cable for six days and then lots of issues at my house. Gator is not well. But I digress. In my opinion, those items were not their's to remove. If anyone had the right to remove them it would have been the land owner. And I don't think he was probably happy with the memorial being moved as it was actually a selling point on ebay. The memorial was to go to the new owners to do with as they pleased. They could have sold it piece by piece and made a lot of money on ebay. Not that it would be the right thing to do, but it is on someone's property and they would have the right to do with as they please.

Gator

[Amy]

I thought Cindy did not know where Casey was. It that is true how could the police do a welfare check? Wouldn't they need an address. This whole case stinks to high heaven and the fact that C&G are going out and taking down Memorial's to Kaylee is very odd. I just don't get how these people think.

You do have a point. She didn't find out where Casey was, even with sending Lee out to try to track her down. I wonder if LE would have made an investigation into finding Casey and Caylee, if Cindy told them she was in contact w/Casey everyday? As Cindy said, Casey is an adult, and the person in charge of her daughter Caylee. I know the way Cindy has acted since July 15 (well, the acting out didn't start for a couple of days) would make me think she would never admit to there being trouble in the A household. But, if she had contacted LE prior to July 15, would she have painted a not so pretty picture of Casey in order to get LE to try to find her? I think she would have had to made some heavy accusations about Casey's lying and (lack of) parenting skills.

[browneyes106]

I dont recall ever hearing anything about Dakota's parents. That is just asking for trouble displaying that child on the net and in bars. :no:

It does seem that grandma is a stage grandma. I remember a few years back when Law and Order:SVU did an episode based on the Michael Jackson the plot twist in the story was a woman who had custody of granddaughter and used the child in various scams to make money. This could be happening with Dakota's grandma.

[shadydaisy]

I guess it has been posted already. I'm very far behind no cable for six days and then lots of issues at my house. Gator is not well. But I digress. In my opinion, those items were not their's to remove. If anyone had the right to remove them it would have been the land owner. And I don't think he was probably happy with the memorial being moved as it was actually a selling point on ebay. The memorial was to go to the new owners to do with as they pleased. They could have sold it piece by piece and made a lot of money on ebay. Not that it would be the right thing to do, but it is on someone's property and they would have the right to do with as they please.

Gator

It's the real Gator Dog that is not well, correct? I know how you take care of him - I hope he feels better soon.

Roadside memorials are becoming an issue in my area. Some are very elaborate. The problem is when someone dies on a country road, on private property, like in front of your house. This happened to friends on mine. Horrible accident, 3 teenagers joyriding, hit a telephone poll in front of her house - about 4 feet from her driveway. 2 died and the other critically injured. It was very awkward. At what point can you remove the memorial from your own property?

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought Cindy did not know where Casey was. It that is true how could the police do a welfare check? Wouldn't they need an address. This whole case stinks to high heaven and the fact that C&G are going out and taking down Memorial's to Kaylee is very odd. I just don't get how these people think.

Cindy could have given LE the plate number of the vehicle and they could have put out a BOLO. They also could have checked the EZ Pass system (or whatever it's called; we have no such thing here in BFE).

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if Dakota Skii Coffey was holding vigils or contacting the Ants just to get publicity for her acting career.

http://dakotacoffey.starsearchcasting.com/

This profile (or another one very similar) once stated that she would pose nude or semi-nude. If you ask me, granny's not much better than a ****. I've read that Dakota has been a part of some of Murt's chats and that they're pretty racy/filthy. Not to mention near psychotic.

[Marian Paroo]

It was very awkward. At what point can you remove the memorial from your own property?

Why should this be a problem at all -- it is your property.

Roadside memorials are getting too common here. Haven't seen them in the city, but they are starting to appear more and more on roads going through the countryside and the desert, and to a certain extent on major highways, although there the road authorities have a better handle on it. They are all for traffic accidents and generally aren't too tacky -- just a plaque or the like, but still not legal.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't have time to read posts so if this has been posted - apologies

This was on WFTV and MYFOXORLANDO this morning. Only WFTV has the report on line at this point. If this is true, it looks as if the Ants have been to the memorial site.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19637576/detail.html

Gator

>>"They were in pursuit of us in high speed. KidFinders had his strobe lights on like he was trying to pull us over," Hill said.

Hmmm Hasn't DM been convicted of impersonating an officer before?

And what's up with Cindy and her penchant/proclivity to destroy crosses??? She preaches unconditional love while she practices iconoclasm. Fhypocrite.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess it has been posted already. I'm very far behind no cable for six days and then lots of issues at my house. Gator is not well. But I digress. In my opinion, those items were not their's to remove. If anyone had the right to remove them it would have been the land owner. And I don't think he was probably happy with the memorial being moved as it was actually a selling point on ebay. The memorial was to go to the new owners to do with as they pleased. They could have sold it piece by piece and made a lot of money on ebay. Not that it would be the right thing to do, but it is on someone's property and they would have the right to do with as they please.

Gator

Gator, sorry to hear things aren't going well, but we're pulling for you! :seeya:

I agree that anyone has the right to leave memorials as long as they're placed in the public right of way. Isn't that what gave the protesters the right to act like jackasses in front of G&C's home? Now we've got G&C apparently being hypervigilant (nice word for paranoid, eh?) so that they run out and act like even bigger asshats. Lois is baiting them and they're falling for it hook, line and sinker. AND once again demonstrating to the public that they don't give a damn about Caylee and the fact that some people want to pay their respects. But I still think Peters' interest in this case is unusual. Baez should think about making her the Other Dude who Did It.

[shadydaisy]

Why should this be a problem at all -- it is your property.

Roadside memorials are getting too common here. Haven't seen them in the city, but they are starting to appear more and more on roads going through the countryside and the desert, and to a certain extent on major highways, although there the road authorities have a better handle on it. They are all for traffic accidents and generally aren't too tacky -- just a plaque or the like, but still not legal.



It becomes a problem when people are hanging around on your property, placing stuffed animals, balloons and crosses. She didn't want to come across as cruel - they were high school kids who died and high school kids were grieving (and the families). She gave it three weeks. Stuff was blowing all over the place, and she was picking it up off the road and her property. We don't have local police where we are, only State Police. It really didn't seem like a matter for them to handle. THEN the kids starting coming at night, after dark, with candles. The police were called and the memorial was removed for safety issues.

We have a tremendous amount of memorials around me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Dan, I think the women who went through the Ant's trash was identified as Lorraine, (a nasty blogger no doubt).

p/i/m/p is a forbidden word?!? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmm,"a nasty blogger :eek:)

okay. I didn't know that, thanks Lor. These other people are acquaintances then right? I don't know how I missed this bunch of stuff. I've been here a while... Well there are nutcases all around them eh? I love the old adage, - What's within ya, surrounds ya!

I also love the saying, "When the shoe fits , buy it in every color", but we won't go OT today Nawny... I just like "sayings"

:hat:

Dakota Skii was the girl who sponsored some vigils for Caylee and Casey befriended her with emails and some small gifts (a Caylee bracelet and teddy bear?). IIRC, when Casey had gone to jail, Cindy continued to email her and she was later hospitalized due to stress over Caylee's likely death. Granny Lois was at the Jay Blanchard Park fiasco and she hooked up with Murt (who was doing some filming/videotaping) and has since allowed Dakota to sit it on the live chats that Murtard (nicknamed by the late Sean Krause) hosted. If you didn't/don't read The Daily BS it would be easy for a lot of this Pure D Old garbage to have escaped you. Lois is just another hag (of the oh so many) trying to capitalize on Caylee's death.

ETA: If I mis-remembering any of this, will someone set me straight?

[lorettalockhorn]

Not quite sure how to put this into words, but it occurred to me (while digging in the dirt as per the usual), that once Caylee was dead and disposed of, Casey could have become just as sympathetic as she is now reviled, by coming forward with the kidnapping story. She would have had attention and airtime and compassion and empathy and probably some bucks to boot. She could have fleshed out the nanny's backstory and figured out a better plan with the stinkmobile. There has to be something about the way that Caylee was killed or dumped that absolutely pins the murder on Casey. It could be something that LE has discovered that we don't know about, like fingerprints on the duct tape; isn't there still a piece that hasn't been reported on yet? Or it could be something that will never be discovered, but I truly believe there is something that would be a nail in Casey's coffin. And whatever it is, I think Cindy and Baez are aware of it.

If and when Casey is convicted, I think AL should probably touch on the idea that Cindy wanted Caylee to herself. She can cite the testimony of Cindy's co-workers that she was considering custody, and possibly the testimony of whomever Cindy discussed the issue with professionally (if it happened). There is at least one firsthand account of how Cindy tried to take over Caylee's BDay party, for instance and that Casey thought she was going crazy. As far as we know, Caylee had no playmates or playdates, not so much as a pic of her in the park with other kids or at a party or any other kids at her own parties. This could be interpreted as Cindy wanting to isolate Caylee in order to maintain control. Casey could have perceived this as Cindy's way of cutting her out and that was a huge threat to her self-preservation.

[One2Snoop]

Dakota Skii was the girl who sponsored some vigils for Caylee and Casey befriended her with emails and some small gifts (a Caylee bracelet and teddy bear?). IIRC, when Casey had gone to jail, Cindy continued to email her and she was later hospitalized due to stress over Caylee's likely death. Granny Lois was at the Jay Blanchard Park fiasco and she hooked up with Murt (who was doing some filming/videotaping) and has since allowed Dakota to sit it on the live chats that Murtard (nicknamed by the late Sean Krause) hosted. If you didn't/don't read The Daily BS it would be easy for a lot of this Pure D Old garbage to have escaped you. Lois is just another hag (of the oh so many) trying to capitalize on Caylee's death.

ETA: If I mis-remembering any of this, will someone set me straight?

Sounds about right to me. :beer:

[One2Snoop]

Photos Of Caylee Taken 1 Year Ago
Casey Anthony Charged With Murder In Daughter's Death

POSTED: Tuesday, June 2, 2009
UPDATED: 8:35 pm EDT June 2, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Local 6 News reporter Tony Pipitone continued his look into the last year of the Casey Anthony case, saying photos of her daughter, Caylee, could play a role in her trial.

VIDEO: Photos Of Caylee
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19638398/index.html

Anthony, 23, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Caylee, whose remains were found in December. Caylee was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July.

Two of the last photos ever taken of Caylee were captured on June 2, 2008, at the Sutton Place Apartments, Pipitone reported. The pictures were taken by Anthony's then-boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro, and law enforcement looked into whether the photos showed evidence of possible child abuse.

"She came over the 2nd?" an Orange County sheriff's investigator asked Lazzaro in a released interview.

"Yes," he replied.

"OK. Tell me, was the child with her?" the investigator said.

"Yes, the child was with her. For what I remember, we went down to the pool, from what I have on the photo on my phone," Lazzaro said.

Pipitone said the photo shows an apparent bruise or scrape under Caylee's right eye.

http://i39.tinypic.com/ab4evp.jpg

The blemish came up in July 2008 when Anthony was seeking bond.

Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, said at a hearing last year that Caylee bumped into a table and that caused the apparent bruise or scrape. But that incident happened in January 2008, according to police records.

The photos in question were taken a year ago, exactly two weeks before Caylee was last seen alive. She was then reported missing about a month later.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19637691/detail.html#

[One2Snoop]

Women Say They Saw Couple Removing Caylee Memorial Signs

POSTED: 5:01 pm EDT June 2, 2009
UPDATED: 3:21 pm EDT June 3, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla -- Two women said they have filed a criminal complaint against George and Cindy Anthony after the Anthonys and another couple allegedly chased them out of the neighborhood where the remains of Caylee Anthony were found.

Lois Peter and Denise Hill said two memorial signs to Caylee they've erected at the Suburban Drive site have disappeared since Friday. Monday, they said they waited around in the dark to see if they could spot who was taking the signs.

"We don't know how she died or where she died," said Hill. "This is all we have."

At about 10:30 p.m., they said they saw Caylee Anthony's grandparents George and Cindy Anthony removing the signs.

"I saw Cindy last night taking the cross and putting the cross in George's car, no doubt whatsoever," Peter said.

"It just hurts really bad Caylee's grandparents would do this," said Hill. "We're allowed to love her too."

The said they two took a picture of a dark vehicle with a white haired man resembling George Anthony on the driver's side. After they took the picture, the women said they were pursued out of the neighborhood by the Anthonys and their friends from the group Kidfinders, Dennis and Sherry Milstead.

Hill said the two couples finally cornered them at the entrance of a nearby gated community.

"The Milsteads and the Anthonys blocked us in, got out of the car and came over to our car. We called 911," she said.

Tuesday afternoon they went to the sheriff's office to fill out sworn statements. The sheriff's department confirms there is a call to 911, but would not honor a request by WESH 2 to release the tape.

The Anthony's attorney Brad Conway said he is not aware of any incident involving the Anthonys.

Last week, when all the toys and signs disappeared from the impromptu memorial site, Conway said the Anthonys were not involved.

Casey Anthony is Orange County Jail awaiting trial on a first-degree murder charge in connection with her daughter Caylee Anthony’s death.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19636880/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

EBay Seller Offers Yearbook With Anthony Photos :rolleyes:
Colonial High Yearbook On Sale For $179.99

POSTED: 12:38 pm EDT June 3, 2009
UPDATED: 1:10 pm EDT June 3, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A Colonial High School yearbook featuring Casey Anthony is up for sale on eBbay at a collector's item price.

The yearbook is being sold for $179.99 or you can make an offer to the seller. As of Wednesday afternoon, there were no bids listed.

According to the seller, Anthony is pictured at least twice inside, and although there are signatures from other students, there is none from Anthony.

It was Anthony's junior year at Colonial High.

Others have tried to sell items associated with the case, such as a Casey Anthony voodoo doll and a doll called Caylee Sunshine.

snip
http://www.wesh.com/news/19645818/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Updated: 28 minutes ago

CASEY ANTHONY CASE
eBay seller trying to make $280 off yearbook with Casey Anthony photos
A yearbook showing Casey Anthony at Colonial High School is for sale on eBay.

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
4:15 PM EDT, June 3, 2009

There are countless pictures of Casey Anthony floating around on the Web that you can view for free.

But an eBay seller is hoping someone is willing to fork over about $280 for an old high school yearbook with Anthony's pictures inside.

Earlier today, the asking price was about $180. This afternoon, the seller bumped it up to $279.99.

According to the eBay listing, Anthony is pictured as a junior at Colonial High, and as a member of the travel and tourism club.

The listing doesn't say who the yearbook once belonged to, but it states there are autographs inside. There are no autographs from Anthony.

An Orlando Sentinel reporter e-mailed the seller asking why they would sell a yearbook with old photos of Anthony, when there are hundreds of free pics on the Web.

This is the response the seller just sent the reporter:

"Dear aledwardsosc,

If you had done your homework, you would have found we currently have 109 yearbooks listed. Included are yearbooks with Daunte Culpepper, Deion Sanders, Vail Bloom, Kevin Lewis, Eric Powell, Jeff Conine, Jermile Weeks, Chris Johnson, Maurice Price, Bucky Dent, Kevin Eakin, Drayton Florence, Deanna Wright and Senator John Connally.

Most yearbooks we have listed do not have anyone famous or infamous.

We have sold yearbooks with Casey Kasem and even notorious murderer Mark David Chapman, who killed John Lennon. No complaints or questions on that one.

We acquire these yearbooks randomly from estate auction lots. We list every one we get. If there is anyone - ANYONE - of note in the yearbook, we mention it.

We do not appreciate the accusation that we are simply trying to make money off the tragedy surrounding the Anthony family. We sell yearbooks. Period. We have ONE yearbook, we are not reprinting them or making voodoo dolls to sell. One officially published yearbook. Also, this yearbook has been listed since May 15.

Again, we mention ANY public figure in our listings.

Perhaps you'd like to contact Mr. Seth Poppel at 206-709-4628 or sethpoppel@aol.com of the Yearbook Library. We contacted him first regarding his interest in this yearbook, which he passed on because he'd prefer the 2004 yearbook. He can explain the collectibility of yearbooks to you.

Must be a slow news day, huh?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-photo-060309,0,4477288.st

[One2Snoop]

P.I. To Stop Casey's Attorneys From Getting Phone Records

Posted: 3:45 pm EDT June 3, 2009Updated: 4:21 pm EDT June 3, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Anthonys' private investigator Dominic Casey has decided to prevent Casey's defense team from getting his cell phone records, even though he's posted them on his website.

Dominic Casey was on his cell phone while private investigator Jim Hoover shot video of Dominic Casey, on November 15 and 16 at the scene where Caylee's remains were discovered a month later on December 11. He had several calls, but with whom is still a mystery.

The private eye posted partial phone records from November on his company website, but the defense wants to know about the other calls.

Casey Anthony's Attorney, Jose Baez, was originally granted access to the private investigator's phone records, because Dominic Casey did not contest a motion that was filed by Baez.

Casey was charged with murdering her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony and Orlando prosecutors have filed notice they intend to seek the death penalty.

Caylee Anthony disappeared last June and Casey Anthony has pleaded not guilty to her murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19647738/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

P.I. To Stop Casey's Attorneys From Getting Phone Records

Posted: 3:45 pm EDT June 3, 2009Updated: 4:21 pm EDT June 3, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Anthonys' private investigator Dominic Casey has decided to prevent Casey's defense team from getting his cell phone records, even though he's posted them on his website.

Dominic Casey was on his cell phone while private investigator Jim Hoover shot video of Dominic Casey, on November 15 and 16 at the scene where Caylee's remains were discovered a month later on December 11. He had several calls, but with whom is still a mystery.

The private eye posted partial phone records from November on his company website, but the defense wants to know about the other calls.

Casey Anthony's Attorney, Jose Baez, was originally granted access to the private investigator's phone records, because Dominic Casey did not contest a motion that was filed by Baez.

Casey was charged with murdering her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony and Orlando prosecutors have filed notice they intend to seek the death penalty.

Caylee Anthony disappeared last June and Casey Anthony has pleaded not guilty to her murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19647738/detail.html

Found this, which shows calls to Winterpark, but nothing to Orlando:

http://dgator.com/Documents/Telephone%20Records%2011.15.08.pdf

Don't remember seeing calls posted on Casey's website, but just noticed today that the claim is that D&A Investigations has been in the employ of the Ants since July '08:

Caylee Marie Anthony disappeared sometime after June 16, 2008. D&A have been Investigating the circumstances surrounding Caylee Marie's disappearance since July of 2008 at the request of the Family. If you have any information about Caylee Marie's disappearance or death . . .

http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx

Thought the original claim was that Casey's information was protected as work product with Baez. Am I forgetting something?

[Gatordog]

I know-I truly do give this round to the Ant's as i said. Do these idiots not realize it just supports C's theory bout us fat blogger/poster peeps who have no life or friends? Sheesh. Stop it already :shrug:

If a cross was placed there, it was up to the land owner to remove it. Perhaps if something of some dignity was put there, then maybe people wouldn't feel the need to put their own tribute on the land. Snatching it in the cover of darkness seems :chicken:

Gator

[DrewBerry]

I guess it has been posted already. I'm very far behind no cable for six days and then lots of issues at my house. Gator is not well. But I digress. In my opinion, those items were not their's to remove. If anyone had the right to remove them it would have been the land owner. And I don't think he was probably happy with the memorial being moved as it was actually a selling point on ebay. The memorial was to go to the new owners to do with as they pleased. They could have sold it piece by piece and made a lot of money on ebay. Not that it would be the right thing to do, but it is on someone's property and they would have the right to do with as they please.

Gator

Hi GATOR AND EVERYONE ELSE! I've also been w/o cable and internet for over a week so I am very behind on the story. Borrowing a friend's computer for now but I moved out of my mother's last week due to her drama and mental instability. Long story, short: I have a new place to live that I love and I have distance between mother dearest.
It's taking me awhile to catch up on all your posts. I so miss interacting with all of you. Sounds like the Ants. continue to be the Liar's worst advocates. Toxic people.
Gator, hope you're feeling better. Hope everyone is doing well. GAWD, I miss my computer! See you all soon.:seeya:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

If a cross was placed there, it was up to the land owner to remove it. Perhaps if something of some dignity was put there, then maybe people wouldn't feel the need to put their own tribute on the land. Snatching it in the cover of darkness seems :chicken:

Gator

I may need to do a mea culpa, but I had assumed that the memorial was set up on the public right-of-way and that it was protected under the same provision as the haters who were congregating in front of the Ant's house. In other words, the land owner may not have had the right to remove a cross or anything else. G&C removing any earnest memorial is a :chicken:sh!t action, especially in light of the fact that George claims that he can't even stand to drive past the place. Steaming pile of lies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi GATOR AND EVERYONE ELSE! I've also been w/o cable and internet for over a week so I am very behind on the story. Borrowing a friend's computer for now but I moved out of my mother's last week due to her drama and mental instability. Long story, short: I have a new place to live that I love and I have distance between mother dearest.
It's taking me awhile to catch up on all your posts. I so miss interacting with all of you. Sounds like the Ants. continue to be the Liar's worst advocates. Toxic people.
Gator, hope you're feeling better. Hope everyone is doing well. GAWD, I miss my computer! See you all soon.:seeya:
DrewB

Drew! :seeya: How do you do it (without the cable and puter!)? Congrats on your new digs and we wish the very best to you and your Mother. Not much news. Where is our doc dump?!?!?!

[Amy]

Updated: 28 minutes ago

CASEY ANTHONY CASE
eBay seller trying to make $280 off yearbook with Casey Anthony photos
A yearbook showing Casey Anthony at Colonial High School is for sale on eBay.

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
4:15 PM EDT, June 3, 2009

There are countless pictures of Casey Anthony floating around on the Web that you can view for free.

But an eBay seller is hoping someone is willing to fork over about $280 for an old high school yearbook with Anthony's pictures inside.

Earlier today, the asking price was about $180. This afternoon, the seller bumped it up to $279.99.

According to the eBay listing, Anthony is pictured as a junior at Colonial High, and as a member of the travel and tourism club.

The listing doesn't say who the yearbook once belonged to, but it states there are autographs inside. There are no autographs from Anthony.

An Orlando Sentinel reporter e-mailed the seller asking why they would sell a yearbook with old photos of Anthony, when there are hundreds of free pics on the Web.

This is the response the seller just sent the reporter:

"Dear aledwardsosc,

If you had done your homework, you would have found we currently have 109 yearbooks listed. Included are yearbooks with Daunte Culpepper, Deion Sanders, Vail Bloom, Kevin Lewis, Eric Powell, Jeff Conine, Jermile Weeks, Chris Johnson, Maurice Price, Bucky Dent, Kevin Eakin, Drayton Florence, Deanna Wright and Senator John Connally.

Most yearbooks we have listed do not have anyone famous or infamous.

We have sold yearbooks with Casey Kasem and even notorious murderer Mark David Chapman, who killed John Lennon. No complaints or questions on that one.

We acquire these yearbooks randomly from estate auction lots. We list every one we get. If there is anyone - ANYONE - of note in the yearbook, we mention it.

We do not appreciate the accusation that we are simply trying to make money off the tragedy surrounding the Anthony family. We sell yearbooks. Period. We have ONE yearbook, we are not reprinting them or making voodoo dolls to sell. One officially published yearbook. Also, this yearbook has been listed since May 15.

Again, we mention ANY public figure in our listings.

Perhaps you'd like to contact Mr. Seth Poppel at 206-709-4628 or sethpoppel@aol.com of the Yearbook Library. We contacted him first regarding his interest in this yearbook, which he passed on because he'd prefer the 2004 yearbook. He can explain the collectibility of yearbooks to you.

Must be a slow news day, huh?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-photo-060309,0,4477288.st

I can't imagine what I would do w/a yearbook full of strangers. Even if one is a notorious baby killer. I can do w/o pics of a baby killer in my house. But, I guess there are some people who would buy it, and some would pay a pretty penny. Better that kind of money should be sent to a legitimate missing children's organization, something like Mark Klass' organization or TES. Or, even send it to some organization that helps the homeless, or something useful.

[Amy]

Found this, which shows calls to Winterpark, but nothing to Orlando:

http://dgator.com/Documents/Telephone%20Records%2011.15.08.pdf

Don't remember seeing calls posted on Casey's website, but just noticed today that the claim is that D&A Investigations has been in the employ of the Ants since July '08:

Caylee Marie Anthony disappeared sometime after June 16, 2008. D&A have been Investigating the circumstances surrounding Caylee Marie's disappearance since July of 2008 at the request of the Family. If you have any information about Caylee Marie's disappearance or death . . .

http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx

Thought the original claim was that Casey's information was protected as work product with Baez. Am I forgetting something?

YOU aren't forgetting anything. Baez is. Or, more likely, he doesn't KNOW what the law is. Such as, it had clearly been published that D Casey's contract with him, or w/Casey, or however the contract read, EXPIRED, can't remember the date, but @ the time, it was some time before Casey was wandering in the wooded area.

I tho't he was hired by the Casey's pretty soon after the association w/Baez disolved, but guess not. The bottom line is, Casey was not working for/with Baez @ the time he was in the wooded area. I guess Baez thinks that he has the rights to any info discovered by the PI, no matter WHEN the info is discovered--just because he ONCE had hired him. Just another Baez not understanding the law, is what it looks like to me.

[DrewBerry]

WOW! Good for you girl! I love guts! Walk that walk baby! Avoid what vexes your spirit, we just can't pick our darn relatives!! High Five lady! Go get um!
:beer:


Good to hear from you Nawny & Loretta! Your well wishes are so appreciated and needed at this time. You guys are the best! Sounds like I haven't missed too much. Was afraid I missed the doc. dump. I'll be checking in when possible. In the meantime, all you girls keep up the good work. Look foward to "seeing" you soon! Be well all!:rose:
DrewB

[lighthousedazy]

WOW! Good for you girl! I love guts! Walk that walk baby! Avoid what vexes your spirit, we just can't pick our darn relatives!! High Five lady! Go get um!
:beer:I agree with you Danagher and Drew. Sometimes you have to make those tough love decisions for you and everyone else. :rose:

[DrewBerry]

I agree with you Danagher and Drew. Sometimes you have to make those tough love decisions for you and everyone else. :rose:

Good evening, Light. You are absolutely right. Also, I so appreciate that we have each been able to share w/each other personal experiences and what's going on in each of our lives. I have always felt welcomed and safe to share here. Thanks for your insights. See you soon
Take care,
DrewB:seeya:

[DrewBerry]

Hey Drew :seeya: Glad u are back. Good you are doing some self care as well. Happy to hear u like your new digs. Not alot of new info-yet.

Hi Beem! Love hearing from you. I can't wait to participate more frequently soon. I've miss you guys.
See you soon.
DrewB

[deacon]

Nite all :seeya: golfed today and i am tard. See ya tomorrow. Maybe something tomorrow???? Sleep tight all :rose:

Don't rub it in. How did you do? You can answer in the other thread.:D

[NMurphy02]

Caylee looks so tired in that picture. The one with the cut under her eye. So sad. Her mother is a real piece of work.

[NMurphy02]

Yeah Mom looked estatic in the photo. I thought Caylee looked sad,something in her eyes. Maybe she was tired etc. and just that the photo was snapped at a moment that did not capture the real Caylee. Was just such a contrast side by side.

This is the first picture I've seen of Caylee where she doesn't have that bright, cute smile. She doesn't look happy at all. Of course you're right the psychopath looks just fine. ARGHHHHHH

[deacon]

Hey, I just came up with a new rhyme.

"Guilty as sin now do her in."

Oh, that was bad.

[Marian Paroo]

Question I asked in a number of other places:

A lot of people believe that Casey was regularly using the trunk of the car as a "babysitter."

If so, there would have been airholes, right?

Never heard anything about airholes.

[deacon]

Question I asked in a number of other places:

A lot of people believe that Casey was regularly using the trunk of the car as a "babysitter."

If so, there would have been airholes, right?

Never heard anything about airholes.

Not necessarily. Trunks are not air tight. Not the best place to be but there would be plenty of oxygen in a trunk.

[browneyes106]

Not necessarily. Trunks are not air tight. Not the best place to be but there would be plenty of oxygen in a trunk.

I do wonder if the Pontiac had a pull down back seat. Maybe if it had it maybe Casey pulled it down and covered with sheet to hide Caylee.

[deacon]

I do wonder if the Pontiac had a pull down back seat. Maybe if it had it maybe Casey pulled it down and covered with sheet to hide Caylee.

Could have. I haven't totally accepted the idea of Caylee being hidden in the trunk for "party time". Now I have after she was dead. Sad.

[One2Snoop]

Anthony Yearbook Fetches $500 Bid
Mom Faces Murder Charges In Death Of Caylee Anthony

POSTED: Thursday, June 4, 2009
UPDATED: 8:44 am EDT June 4, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An unnamed buyer has shelled out $500 for a copy of a high school yearbook that contains pictures of Casey Anthony, who is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

The 2003 Colonial High School yearbook was sold Wednesday on eBay.com for $499.99, plus shipping and handling. The book didn't belong to Anthony, who was a junior in 2003.

Caylee disappeared last June and her remains were not found until last December. Anthony has pleaded not guilty.

Prosecutors have filed notice they intend to seek the death penalty in Anthony's case, which has garnered national attention.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19654121/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Could have. I haven't totally accepted the idea of Caylee being hidden in the trunk for "party time". Now I have after she was dead. Sad.

George told investigators that the gas gauge was broken or some such and that Casey regularly carried around a gas can just in case. Doesn't it seem like there would have been some noticeable aftereffects if Caylee had had long term exposure to gasoline fumes? :shrug: Or maybe she did and no one noticed.

[browneyes106]

Anthony Yearbook Fetches $500 Bid
Mom Faces Murder Charges In Death Of Caylee Anthony

POSTED: Thursday, June 4, 2009
UPDATED: 8:44 am EDT June 4, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An unnamed buyer has shelled out $500 for a copy of a high school yearbook that contains pictures of Casey Anthony, who is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

The 2003 Colonial High School yearbook was sold Wednesday on eBay.com for $499.99, plus shipping and handling. The book didn't belong to Anthony, who was a junior in 2003.

Caylee disappeared last June and her remains were not found until last December. Anthony has pleaded not guilty.

Prosecutors have filed notice they intend to seek the death penalty in Anthony's case, which has garnered national attention.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19654121/detail.html

I agree that is a waste. The person who bought it is probably some serial killler groupie type person. I think it's dumb to want a year book that has small pictures of a baby killer.

[deacon]

George told investigators that the gas gauge was broken or some such and that Casey regularly carried around a gas can just in case. Doesn't it seem like there would have been some noticeable aftereffects if Caylee had had long term exposure to gasoline fumes? :shrug: Or maybe she did and no one noticed.

GAs fumes would have been long term and probably not noticed for years to come. That must have been george's excuse for the gas can problem they had.

[lorettalockhorn]

GAs fumes would have been long term and probably not noticed for years to come. That must have been george's excuse for the gas can problem they had.

Hmmm I could always tell when my former BIL was high on rocket fuel and it wasn't just from the odor. Inhalation of gasoline fumes in a closed in space would/could have caused Caylee to appear to be inebriated, rash, chemical burns to the skin or lungs, nausea and/or vomiting and she would smell like gasoline. But I suppose that Casey might have always cleaned and sobered her up.

[deacon]

Hmmm I could always tell when my former BIL was high on rocket fuel and it wasn't just from the odor. Inhalation of gasoline fumes in a closed in space would/could have caused Caylee to appear to be inebriated, rash, chemical burns to the skin or lungs, nausea and/or vomiting and she would smell like gasoline. But I suppose that Casey might have always cleaned and sobered her up.


I vote for george's lie to cover the argument over the gas cans myself.
:(

[shadydaisy]

I agree that is a waste. The person who bought it is probably some serial killler groupie type person. I think it's dumb to want a year book that has small pictures of a baby killer.

Even my own high school yearbook holds little interest for me. I don't get the fascination of having Casey's high school yearbook. She never graduated, correct?

[deacon]

deacon!!! :punch:

How about "Guilty as sin now go lock her in." Is that better?

[lorettalockhorn]

How about "Guilty as sin now go lock her in." Is that better?

I like that one too! How's about Guilty as sin; plug her in?

http://i43.tinypic.com/5pq77r.jpg

[deacon]

I like that one too! How's about Guilty as sin; plug her in?

http://i43.tinypic.com/5pq77r.jpg

That would work.

[lorettalockhorn]

You guys are too funny-miss your calling writing jingles??? LOL Everytime i look at that pic i LMAO. Between the smile and the pencil legs oh Lordy too funny :D

It's not just the pencil legs, it's that even in the electric chair she can't seem to put her knees together. LMAO

[DrewBerry]

George told investigators that the gas gauge was broken or some such and that Casey regularly carried around a gas can just in case. Doesn't it seem like there would have been some noticeable aftereffects if Caylee had had long term exposure to gasoline fumes? :shrug: Or maybe she did and no one noticed.

Excellent point, Loretta. If she regularly carried a gas can with her, why did she steal from George's shed? Didn't he report them stolen? They have all LIED so much about everything I doubt everything any of that damn family reports. The truth will come out and they won't be able to lie their way out in a court of law. :flamemad:
DrewB

[One2Snoop]

Olah java :seeya: I wish somebody would look into this grandmother. This child is not in good hands what so ever :flamemad:

There have been message boards dedicated to the cause - I've not checked them lately but child services is fully aware.

[DrewBerry]

I like that one too! How's about Guilty as sin; plug her in?

http://i43.tinypic.com/5pq77r.jpg

Love it! LMAO! You are so quick Loretta!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

It's not just the pencil legs, it's that even in the electric chair she can't seem to put her knees together. LMAO

I caught that too, Loretta! Also, she still has that big chit-eatin' grin on her mug!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I was sure i read that too-after the ya know high speed chase thats where they are cornered. The whole lot of em involved are friggin nut bars. One no better than the other. Seems as tho the Ant's were baited a bit but they fell for it. I dont excuse what the Ant's did but I think this grandmother wants to attach herself again. Cant remember who the stunt driver was. If i had C coming after me with those facial expressions i would need some sedation and therapy-she is scary :confused:

Hi Beemer! I'm way behind. Could you give me a quick summary about this car chase episode? :confused:
DrewB

[tv]

Has anyone seen that Diane Fanning has a book about this case coming out in November -- called Mommy's Little Girl? Does anyone else think it's a little premature? I've read a few books of Diane Fanning's and I don't have anything against making money but how complete is this book going to be if it's writtien by November? I have a feeling we've only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as the Liar is concerned. Ms. Fanning won't even be able to cover the trial. :shrug:


http://www.amazon.com/Mommys-Little-Girl-Anthony-Daughter/dp/0312365144/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244171888&sr=1-11

[One2Snoop]

Has anyone seen that Diane Fanning has a book about this case coming out in November -- called Mommy's Little Girl? Does anyone else think it's a little premature? I've read a few books of Diane Fanning's and I don't have anything against making money but how complete is this book going to be if it's writtien by November? I have a feeling we've only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as the Liar is concerned. Ms. Fanning won't even be able to cover the trial. :shrug:


http://www.amazon.com/Mommys-Little-Girl-Anthony-Daughter/dp/0312365144/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244171888&sr=1-11

Exactly - I'll wait. Quite honestly what more can these author's say that we don't already have posted here? Between articles/photo's, documents and our opinions, I can't see how they'd have that much more to say. :shrug:

[DrewBerry]

I just wanna throw a couple of things out on this one-as we know so much info we all get bogged down. Something that drove me crazy from the get go-we all know how G always seemed to be taking care of the lawn,yard,cleaning vehicles etc. Just seemed to be keeping things in order and seemed to know his way around cars. So if he knew the gas gauge was not working and Liar having Caylee with her-why would he let that go? My next point-did i dream it or was it stated that when the car was picked up at the tow yard G or somebody noted there was nothing wrong with the gas gauge? My guess she stole the gas cans as she had no monies and lord knows where she drove when she was supposed to be at work. I think at that point everything was closing in-her supply of folks to rip off was almost nil. I truly think G thought they were stolen from the shed as Liar had so many other money sources then but they eventually dried up.

Good points, Beemers! I too questioned why George hadn't taken the car to get the gas gauge repaired. As you noted, he was meticulous about his vehicles, yard, etc. IIRC, the car belonged to G & C and they simply let her have it because she needed transportation to "work" and the "nanny", etc.
I know damn well the Liar never bought that car and never maintained that car. Daddy and Mommy did it for her. I suppose you're right about her stealing the gas cans but, come on, George, if your daughter constantly needed gas cans, why report them stolen? He had to know the Liar took them. You're right Beemers, there are so many details that we've all re-hashed over and over and trying to put the pieces together that there are too many details to remember. But I'm sure about one thing, we girls make a good investigative team, don't we? :)
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Has anyone thought about all the hours of sleep deprivation combined once this trial starts? If not apparently i really need a doc dump :tongue:

Yes, I can't wait. We should synchronize our time together on the boards and get our snacks and haterade ready! :beer:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

LOL! I hate to sound like ghoulish Nancy Grace.. but I wonder how she will handle it if she gets the death sentence. I don't even know why I want to know that :shrug: I don't know what socio's think when they run out of world .

NG is on now.. she's already on my nerves and I have even watched her program yet. She's been awful this week.. wanted to know how a 4 month fetus felt when its mother was stabbed to death. Gumby ignored the question. I thought of throwing my shoe at the TV.


I missed you guys today.. I went out for the day to the stores.. I hate shopping but I was loving the weather and it felt good to get out. I did a few bads. Great summer stuff at Macy's.

'evening Nawny! Missed you tonight! Glad you treated yourself to a trip to Macy's. Summer stuff is always fun. Here in Seattle we've had several days of record heat for this time of year---90 today!! Mount Rainier was in all her glory today! I love, love, love Seattle in the summer! :seeya:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

Good points, Beemers! I too questioned why George hadn't taken the car to get the gas gauge repaired. As you noted, he was meticulous about his vehicles, yard, etc. IIRC, the car belonged to G & C and they simply let her have it because she needed transportation to "work" and the "nanny", etc.
I know damn well the Liar never bought that car and never maintained that car. Daddy and Mommy did it for her. I suppose you're right about her stealing the gas cans but, come on, George, if your daughter constantly needed gas cans, why report them stolen? He had to know the Liar took them. You're right Beemers, there are so many details that we've all re-hashed over and over and trying to put the pieces together that there are too many details to remember. But I'm sure about one thing, we girls make a good investigative team, don't we? :)
DrewB

Something I don't get is that from descriptions about George we figure that he's somewhere between neat and absolutely OCD. So why would he allow Casey to drive around with a broken gas gauge and/or a gas container in the trunk? Not exactly safe, especially with a little passenger. And don't remember that any type of gasoline receptacle was found when the car was recovered. Could he have been lying about the gas gauge? Don't remember reading anything about that either.

And not sure how this fits in to this particular discussion, but I'm reminded that Cindy likened the smell of the car to things that go bad in the refrigerator. Do we really, really think that George allowed spoiled food to reach the point of the smell of decomposition in the Frigidaire?

[lorettalockhorn]

Good for Gumby-he's our man-or should i say Loretta's. She will share i know she will. I think socio's never run out world Nawny. They just adapt to their enviroment. Can you imagine going thru life basically viewing people as an object-say a table-emotion wise. That pretty much sums up Liar. Good to hear ya got out. I had a book deck day and here- did little else. We had good weather too. Said only a high of 69-oh so wrong it was mid 70's YEAH It's comin Nawny It's comin :biggrin:

Of course I'll share my Gumby. Well, he's OS's Gumby too, and she won't mind! Not sure what's crazier what with the Ants chasing Granny Lois at high speed with Dakota in the car, or them trying to get away at high speed with Dakota in the car. Whack.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow Loretta we posted almost the same thoughts at almost the same time???? :cool:

Great Minds Syndrome! :beer:

[DrewBerry]

Something I don't get is that from descriptions about George we figure that he's somewhere between neat and absolutely OCD. So why would he allow Casey to drive around with a broken gas gauge and/or a gas container in the trunk? Not exactly safe, especially with a little passenger. And don't remember that any type of gasoline receptacle was found when the car was recovered. Could he have been lying about the gas gauge? Don't remember reading anything about that either.

And not sure how this fits in to this particular discussion, but I'm reminded that Cindy likened the smell of the car to things that go bad in the refrigerator. Do we really, really think that George allowed spoiled food to reach the point of the smell of decomposition in the Frigidaire?

EXACTLY! Loretta. OCD, maybe but I believe Cindy ruled that house and George was given strict orders for his daily chores. ALSO, the Ants. have proven they are all about image and making things look good from the outside so you know they were consumed with EVERYTHING giving the appearance of perfection. Cindy was so quick to remove the Liar's from clothing from her car and making sure the clothes didn't "smell like there's a dead body in the damn car!" :flamemad: GMAFB, Cindy!
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

Off i go :chicken: Nite all :beer: Cant reach wave guy :)

Sweet dreams from Mr. Seeya. :seeya:

[Gatordog]

Hi everyone :seeya:

It's been a while since I have been able to spend quality time on the boards. Hopefully, my life is getting back to normal. I have a satellite dish now which I absolutely love over cable. Man they really ticked me off. When you mess with the bull, you get the horns! Right Nawny, Taurus doesn't mess around. I cut my bill in half by switching and the reception is so much better.

Yesterday: I have this scratched cornea and it's hurting like heck because of the bright lights at work so at noon, I tell the boss, I'm going home. But I make a detour past Suburban Drive (a 30 minute detour!). There is absolutely nothing where the memorial was. Not even a potted flower or anything. I would think that if the memorial was torn down, the people who tore it down would have put something in its place. So, I mosey on along down the street to the Ants' house. Low and behold! There is George wearing only shorts (he is that red tan color all over!) He was digging up the old grass and laying down new sod at his house. Glad that his house will have new sod and there is nothing but dirt where Caylee was left. I thought about asking if he would be okay with me putting more flower seed in the "dirt". Then I thought about that big shovel in his hands and I :chicken:.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I truly think the gas can story was some back peddaling from G once it all came down. He reports them stolen. He knows Liars history.He then realizes good gawd my daughter took them. Then Caylee is MIA. Once all the shat hit the fan and was out in the public G comes up with the story my daughter drove around with a gas can. I dont buy it. He would not let his princess drive around in Fla. heat with a gas can in her trunk transporting his granddaughter. He had a knowledge of cars and would not let a broken gas gauge happen transporting a child. Yes there sure are some great minds here that really let us banter eh?

I think she ran out of gas only one other time and then she had the excuse of having two flat tires. I don't think it was ever confirmed that the gas gauge was broken. I don't think George would think it was safe to drive with filled gas cans in the trunk and Caylee in the back seat. Doesn't make sense, especially here in Florida in June/July.

[Gatordog]

EXACTLY! Loretta. OCD, maybe but I believe Cindy ruled that house and George was given strict orders for his daily chores. ALSO, the Ants. have proven they are all about image and making things look good from the outside so you know they were consumed with EVERYTHING giving the appearance of perfection. Cindy was so quick to remove the Liar's from clothing from her car and making sure the clothes didn't "smell like there's a dead body in the damn car!" :flamemad: GMAFB, Cindy!
DrewB

George is out there right now replacing the sod on his front lawn. It has to be perfect.

[Amy]

You were smart, Gator!!! I'd be skeered of getting near them WITHOUT them having any weapons!!!

So, does that mean the sunflowers are gone, too? Wonder if someone could take a handful of seeds of wildflowers and nonchalantly fling them into the space as s/he is strolling by the area. If it seemed that it was just some natural growth going on, no one would be the wiser and let the flowers be? Of course, if it is quite the mixture of wild flowers that aren't usual in that place, someone might get suspicious, lol.

Well, that might not work. Someone might have left a webcam there to capture the activities of anyone coming by. But, that would probably be pointed INTO the area, not on the sidewalk. If the camera owner is just looking for people, s/he might not notice a shower of seeds flying by, or would just chalk it up to the wind blowing stuff around.

[Gatordog]

Well girls, I see you're not here so I'm going upstairs and do some treadmill struttin. Then I'm going to go finish up that sunflower painting, then dinner, then I may go find a lover who likes women over 40, because poppa is being a pill. Wish me luck!

:cool:Maybe I'll find a pole.

Maybe you need to dab a little balsamic behind your ears and sprinkle the bed with oregano. Men don't react well to rose petals. But they listen to their food senses. :D

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi everyone :seeya:

It's been a while since I have been able to spend quality time on the boards. Hopefully, my life is getting back to normal. I have a satellite dish now which I absolutely love over cable. Man they really ticked me off. When you mess with the bull, you get the horns! Right Nawny, Taurus doesn't mess around. I cut my bill in half by switching and the reception is so much better.

Yesterday: I have this scratched cornea and it's hurting like heck because of the bright lights at work so at noon, I tell the boss, I'm going home. But I make a detour past Suburban Drive (a 30 minute detour!). There is absolutely nothing where the memorial was. Not even a potted flower or anything. I would think that if the memorial was torn down, the people who tore it down would have put something in its place. So, I mosey on along down the street to the Ants' house. Low and behold! There is George wearing only shorts (he is that red tan color all over!) He was digging up the old grass and laying down new sod at his house. Glad that his house will have new sod and there is nothing but dirt where Caylee was left. I thought about asking if he would be okay with me putting more flower seed in the "dirt". Then I thought about that big shovel in his hands and I :chicken:.

Gator

It's all about appearances for this family of defiANTs. (And I'm not talking about acting like asses on the thing!)

[lorettalockhorn]

OMG! Those people are very strange. I don't even understand why they still live there. How much exposure do those idiots need? I want a talking shrink to give me the skinny on that!

Dammit!

Well, not to get too technical, but they ain't right in the head. Truly believe they all have bad hardwiring.

[Gatordog]

HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! Oh you're not whistlin Dixie baby! Especially Sicilian men!!! Oh boy! ;) Well since that post he's come a long way, I must say. There is a solution to every problem. :hat:

Hey glad to hear the dish is doing good for ya. I can't put a dish on this place, though I've thought about it. I can just about get a contractor to go on the roof to fix a leak.

:( And I'm also glad Gator is feeling better, I was ready to fly out there so you'd have someone there to help you worry. We Italians are Worry Contractors. We wrote the book! And we do it soooo well. LOL!

How did you scratch your eye? Give me more worry material. I'm lost without it. ;)

Scratched my eye about six years ago. Every now and then when I wake up, the cells stick to the lid of my eye and then they come off again. So it has to heal all over again. The eye doctor said it would happen every now and then, if my eye gets too dry at night.

The dish isn't on the roof, it's located on the side of my house on a tripod pole.

You are not kidding about us worrying. If I don't have something to worry about, I have to find something. Gator is not good today. I guess there will be good days and bad days for now.

[One2Snoop]

New Anthony Attorney To Formally Enter Case
Defense Needed Lyon To Try Death Penality Case

POSTED: 12:24 pm EDT June 5, 2009
UPDATED: 12:44 pm EDT June 5, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- This week, the new member of Casey Anthony's defense team filed paperwork asking permission to enter the case.

In a motion, Chicago attorney Andrea Lyon included a copy of her bar certificate from the state of Michigan.

Lyon said her first priority will be to prove the evidence against Casey Anthony does not warrant the state seeking the death penalty.

Casey Anthony is in the Orange County Jail charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area off Suburban Drive near the Anthony family home last December.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19668661/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys To Be Questioned Regarding Complaint
Women Say George, Cindy Chased Them Away From Caylee Memorial

POSTED: 4:50 pm EDT June 4, 2009
UPDATED: 6:28 pm EDT June 4, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Orange County investigators are questioning George and Cindy Anthony in connection with a criminal complaint filed by a pair of local women Tuesday.

It all stems from an incident where the women claim Cindy Anthony took down their memorial cross to Caylee then, along with George Anthony ,chased them out of the neighborhood.

George and Cindy Anthony are the parents of Casey Anthony, who is at the Orange County Jail charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area off Suburban Drive last December.

A sheriff's spokesman said they either have questioned the Anthonys or they plan to in connection with this case, but they are still not releasing a 911 call made by the women during the alleged pursuit.

Monday night, Lois Peter and Denise Hill said they staked out the area along Suburban Drive to see who kept taking down their memorial crosses to Caylee. At around 10:30 p.m., they said they snapped a picture of George Anthony waiting in his vehicle while Cindy Anthony took down the cross. After that, the women said the Anthonys and their friends pursued them out of the neighborhood.

The Anthonys' lawyer, Brad Conway, told a different version of events and claims the women nearly ran over George Anthony.

Given the sensitivity of the situation, a sheriff's spokesman said they want to move slowly and be thorough in their investigation. He wanted to be clear that just because the Anthonys are being questioned does not mean any charges will result.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19660011/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Anthonys To Be Questioned Regarding Complaint
Women Say George, Cindy Chased Them Away From Caylee Memorial

POSTED: 4:50 pm EDT June 4, 2009
UPDATED: 6:28 pm EDT June 4, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Orange County investigators are questioning George and Cindy Anthony in connection with a criminal complaint filed by a pair of local women Tuesday.

It all stems from an incident where the women claim Cindy Anthony took down their memorial cross to Caylee then, along with George Anthony ,chased them out of the neighborhood.

George and Cindy Anthony are the parents of Casey Anthony, who is at the Orange County Jail charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee. Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area off Suburban Drive last December.

A sheriff's spokesman said they either have questioned the Anthonys or they plan to in connection with this case, but they are still not releasing a 911 call made by the women during the alleged pursuit.

Monday night, Lois Peter and Denise Hill said they staked out the area along Suburban Drive to see who kept taking down their memorial crosses to Caylee. At around 10:30 p.m., they said they snapped a picture of George Anthony waiting in his vehicle while Cindy Anthony took down the cross. After that, the women said the Anthonys and their friends pursued them out of the neighborhood.

The Anthonys' lawyer, Brad Conway, told a different version of events and claims the women nearly ran over George Anthony.

Given the sensitivity of the situation, a sheriff's spokesman said they want to move slowly and be thorough in their investigation. He wanted to be clear that just because the Anthonys are being questioned does not mean any charges will result.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19660011/detail.html

But, but, but George was in the car. Does Brad mean they tried to ram his vehicle? Or was George out of the car on foot patrol? :confused: Thought he never goes to the memorial site.

[JLette]

But, but, but George was in the car. Does Brad mean they tried to ram his vehicle? Or was George out of the car on foot patrol? :confused: Thought he never goes to the memorial site.

:shrug: i cannot make heads or tails of anything around this case anymore, things keep happening and a circus seems to be in progress. honestly i hadn't heard of dakota or her granny until now, if i have i don't remember.............:confused::shrug::rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

:shrug: i cannot make heads or tails of anything around this case anymore, things keep happening and a circus seems to be in progress. honestly i hadn't heard of dakota or her granny until now, if i have i don't remember.............:confused::shrug::rolleyes:

Lois and Dakota are just two of many sideshow freaks who have attached themselves to the Three Ring Circus that is Caylee's murder and the ANTithetical search for justice by her family.

[browneyes106]

Even my own high school yearbook holds little interest for me. I don't get the fascination of having Casey's high school yearbook. She never graduated, correct?

Nope she didn't. She lacked a credit or something that kept her from graduating.

[browneyes106]

Dakota was the kid that organized a vigil for Caylee. I did news footage of her at the vigil holding hands with Cindy and George. Dakota and Lois are people that always want attention. Little Dakota is hoping to become an actress and she thinks she is a look like of Carrie Underwood. Her grandma seems like a **** or stage grandma.

[lorettalockhorn]

Scratched my eye about six years ago. Every now and then when I wake up, the cells stick to the lid of my eye and then they come off again. So it has to heal all over again. The eye doctor said it would happen every now and then, if my eye gets too dry at night.

The dish isn't on the roof, it's located on the side of my house on a tripod pole.

You are not kidding about us worrying. If I don't have something to worry about, I have to find something. Gator is not good today. I guess there will be good days and bad days for now.

Gator, hope everything is back to normal for you ASAP! :seeya: We have DISH network and love the technology, the satellite isn't very visible since it's on the backside of the deck. Every once in the while a storm knocks it out, but not for very long. Even then, you can watch whatever is recorded on the DVR.

Anyway, best wishes with your cornea.

[Amy]

Who isn't at this point? Well, besides we of the pure hearts:read:<--Holy Book

Just speaking as an OCD sufferer (never formally diagnosed as a caveat-I function and don't need any quackery)...the less control I feel about something, the more stress I have, the more likely I am to alphabetize the food in the Fridgidaire. You vent in another direction if that makes sense...

Like my boss--whenever her workload gets overwhelming for her, she comes to the unit AND REARRANGES OUR SUPPLY CLOSET for Pete's sake!!! Says she needs to do something where she doesn't have to use her brain. It might relieve HER stress, but we spend the next week trying to get it back to the way it works best for us. ;)

[lorettalockhorn]

A psychometrist knows.. spill Beemer! :hat:

As a layperson, it's clear to me that the Ants are not ordinary people. But I always want to know why!

...egotistical, lying, hypocritical bigot*.

That's why!!

*Judy Bernly; Nine to Five

[lorettalockhorn]

Who isn't at this point? Well, besides we of the pure hearts:read:<--Holy Book

Just speaking as an OCD sufferer (never formally diagnosed as a caveat-I function and don't need any quackery)...the less control I feel about something, the more stress I have, the more likely I am to alphabetize the food in the Fridgidaire. You vent in another direction if that makes sense...

Undiagnosed OCD here, but I don't suffer. I mean it pays to have things organized and alphabetized, but I haven't gotten around to the Fridgidaire. (No, my books are not arranged by Dewey Decimal System. Yet. :hat: ) It saves time when list making, and if I ever go blind I'll be able to help Leroy find things around the place.

[Amy]

Undiagnosed OCD here, but I don't suffer. I mean it pays to have things organized and alphabetized, but I haven't gotten around to the Fridgidaire. (No, my books are not arranged by Dewey Decimal System. Yet. :hat: ) It saves time when list making, and if I ever go blind I'll be able to help Leroy find things around the place.

My LP's, on the shelf alphabetized. Sometimes by first name, sometimes by last name. Always in order of publication or whatever they call putting out a record, lol. Altho it has been YEARS since I've touched them. Other things, not done up so much. And certainly not in the last 5 or so years--no energy to worry about it, let alone do it. ;) I guess, since it doesn't bother me, I'm either not so much OCD, or I've "gotten better."

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent response to my never ending need to know answers that only God can answer. :-) "The sum of it all" ,, hmmm. I like that. :beer:Thank you Beem.

But, but, can you put your hat on for one sec and tell me why George seems to wear the pink panties in the family?
Never mind Beemer! :chicken:

Agree with Beemy on the sum observation. In this case, the sum may be more than the total of the parts.

As for the pink panties, George wears them because Cindy wears boxers; she needs the ball room.

[lighthousedazy]

Crying laughing!!!! You got me twice tonight! :)

Gosh if we didn't laugh we'd all go insane! :beer:
Exactly. Laughter is definately the best medicine. :)

[lighthousedazy]

LOL! Poppa is OCD, type A personality and the most incredible mircro manager ever. My filing system is the bane of his existance.

"Where did you put the number of the dentist.?"
Under D, where else would I put it?Mine is a type A also, but he doesn't have a filing system. He leaves that up to me. lol And I am not an organized person either. :biggrin:

[Spider]

I have been a bit behind lately. Was Cindy's Mother Shirley at the Memorial? I remember that I noticed that her Brother Rick was NOT listed as a surviving family member in the obit

[Amy]

I caught a bit of NG last night. as she's been quite a lullaby for me this past few nights.. before my eyes closed, I heard her interviewing a nice looking guy (don't know his status) and among other things, he said, "There has to be more than 99% proof before the DP can be applied." (paraphrasing) That made me think of liar. So our suspicions that LE has more than they're telling us, must be true.

Anyone else hear him say that? I may have dreamed it, but I don't think so because it helped me sleep better.

PS: Doing good with the smoking. I went yesterday for another session. Heaven! I'm amazed!

99% proof of what? I mean, once the jury has determined that the defendant is the one who committed a murder beyond REASONABLE doubt what else is necessary? A bunch of double speak, if you ask me. That's like Lyons saying--no way is this a DP case. Well, just the fact that the victim was less then 12 years of age qualifies it. Period. Add to that, the person charged w/her murder was a person of trust, however that is worded.

I can't remember which astute person on this board found information on the sunshine law (and I do thank him/her, altho I don't remember all of what it said.) According to how I read that information, NOT ALL of the evidence amassed in a murder case has to be released to the public. The prosecution DOES get to keep some information underwraps for use @ the trial. I can't remember how it is determined, and whether or not they still have to provide discovery of this to the defense, altho I would think they would have to, but it definitely said that not all evidence is up for release to the public.

Altho, I must say, there is a heck of a lot of garbage (and some useful info) in the doc dumps. Mostly a bunch of stuff that is not quite so important to the prosecution, IMO. Things that establish timelines and such. But I'm betting the really, really important things that will be used @ trial will not be seen by the public eye until the trial occurs. IMO

[Amy]

I have been a bit behind lately. Was Cindy's Mother Shirley at the Memorial? I remember that I noticed that her Brother Rick was NOT listed as a surviving family member in the obit

Were the other great aunts and uncles listed by name? I know, around here, it is parents, grandparents, ggrands, etc. But not usually aunts and uncles, and certainly not great a&u, which is the categorie Uncle Rick would come under. If I ever read the obit, I have forgotten.

[Amy]

Maybe they're going to sell it. I can't imagine they aren't sick of all this. Maybe the car chase was the clincher...

Ohhh,,,, that is a tho't!!! Something I would probably do, especially if I wasn't a part of a tight knit community, which George and Cindy did not seem to be. I'd be for heading closer to family, or somewhere where hopefully tv reception, even dish and satellite and all that, is pretty non-existant, so I would hopefully be able to live my life out in total obscurity. :chicken:

[lorettalockhorn]

No sweat: archaeology is a sub-field of anthropology. I have taught archaeology, cultural anth, phys anth, and the American cultures req. from anthro...so I can claim both...

Java, My Little Love told me the other day that he is considering teaching in the anthro field rather than working as a shovel bum. Shocking.