Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Native Alien]

Did you hear at the very end of the third one? I thought they were under attack from rabid media or something from all the yelling and screaming, and then I realized it was on the move! (I am referring to the roach)

Yea I heard all that and I thought the same thing. That media was trying to run them off the road or something.

Then like you I realized that the roach was on the move and moving towards the dashboard.

I like what the one cop said about keeping things clean too....

[Native Alien]

I never met a native Floridian! LOL!! They're mostly all from someplace else, so the trial couldn't be in a better place.
Just show the jury the pictures on her My space site. All those skeletons and death pictures ought to give them a clue. And of course her party pictures after Caylee went missing. She made Scott Peterson look like a staunch conservative. ;)

:seeya:

I am not a native but I spent a good many years there, enough so that I got the slow southern drawl way of speaking and I still talk Floridian. I will say something and people will look at me funny and ask what I am talking about.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think that the thing with Kronk is that there could be a question of did he have prior knowledge and was that knowledge obtained illegally.

In other words, his girlfriend at the time was working at the jail. Did she overhear a conversation between Casey and Bozo in which Casey told Bozo where the body was and then Kronk's girlfriend passed that information on to Kronk. All in hopes of claiming the reward for Kronk and the girlfriend.

That is the infamous Daisy Chain that LP has been trying to sell to NG.

[browneyes106]

That is the infamous Daisy Chain that LP has been trying to sell to NG.

I remember one time on NG LP said that Kronk was apart of the Daisy chain because one of his supervisors was the Anthony's neighbor.

[browneyes106]

Have these been out there, before? They are audio recordings said to be of Casey Anthony in the car with the police. She is all demando!Casey on why they didn't release an Amber alert in the first one. Sure sounds like her...arrogant, playing gotcha, just a you-know...aaargh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMgidLf8D5U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJQhxuWr_qo&feature=related

Thanks for posting those. I don't think they have been posted here before. I will also try to find transcripts of those. Do you have a link to transcripts?

[Gatordog]

I was sitting here laughing out loud when I heard that one. I can't believe that a person that lives in Florida could be that afraid of a roach.

Native, there's no one in Florida who isn't afraid of them. They are gigantic and they fly. If you go outside during warm months at around 8 p.m, you are bound to hear screaming from someplace, "Get it off me". I've touched rats, snakes, frogs, lizards without a problem. I see a palmetto, I :chicken:

You want me to spill my guts, admit to anything, just threaten to put one on my hair. :eek:

Gator

[Gatordog]

There's a cockroach loose inside the car, and it keeps harassing them as they drive! too funny.

Is it trying to drive the car? They're almost big enough. :D

[Gatordog]

Part 2 of Baez story. He doesn't pay his bills either.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-jose-baez-casey-anthony-profile-050409,0,6717896.story?page=1

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, if the location of the body was obtained illegally, I think they should put her back. Only fair!

Am I right that if the information was obtained illegally, then none of the evidence at the dump scene, including the body, can be admitted, unless it can be shown it would have been found anyway?

Fruit of the poisonous tree:

Fruit Of The Poisonous Tree
(n) The phrase Fruit of Poison is used to represent the evidences, testimonials etc gathered by using illegitimate methods. It means when the method 'the tree' is poisonous its fruit 'the evidence collected' is also poisonous. Eg. Evidence collected in illegal search of a premises will not be allowed as a legitimate evidence.

http://www.legal-explanations.com/definitions/fruit-of-the-poisonous-tree.htm

Anyone remember when The Andy Griffith Show did an episode where Opie eavesdropped on a prisoner?

[Amy]

Me too! Light, I can't wait for the next court date so we can see Liar's "transformation" i.e., side effects from pork rinds. :D
DrewB

If the reports of her bulimia are true, she just might not pack as much as we think. :chicken:

[Amy]

Have these been out there, before? They are audio recordings said to be of Casey Anthony in the car with the police. She is all demando!Casey on why they didn't release an Amber alert in the first one. Sure sounds like her...arrogant, playing gotcha, just a you-know...aaargh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMgidLf8D5U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJQhxuWr_qo&feature=related

I just don't get it about their going on about an Amber Alert. HELLOOOO!!!! Amber Alerts put out @ the time of abduction!!!! CASEY is the one who screwed up about getting an Amber Alert out by waiting 31 days before being forced to tell her mother that her baby was "kidnapped." And it would have been a he)) of a lot longer if the carp about the car hadn't come down. If Casey and George want to whine about no Amber Alert, they need to blame the right person!!!!

[Amy]

Part 2 of Baez story. He doesn't pay his bills either.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-jose-baez-casey-anthony-profile-050409,0,6717896.story?page=1

"I've been doing this a lot longer than he, and I could recognize that he does have a lot of God-given talent. He is quite quick-witted, has an excellent ability to communicate," Gross said. "He did a very good job considering his relatively short time as an attorney."


So, I wonder what happened to his "excellent abiltiy to communicate" that Gross attributed to him? Good grief, when he presents motions in court, he mumbles and fumbles and crumbles.

I also remember from really early on, when he was complaining that the prosecution wouldn't give him some stuff he wanted, THEY had the stuff ready for him, it was just HE hadn't put forth the $$$ (700+?) to GET the stuff. What it cost to copy reports, tapes, CD's etc.

I see where his "success rate" of winning cases wasn't because of HIS work entirely--he was an INTERN in most of those cases. The ATTORNEY of note in those cases "won" those cases. One could assume that some of the success might have been because of some work he did, but HE did NOT win those cases!!! Lying or embellishing in the truth WILL come back to bite you in the keister, Jose. Sooner or later.

And, he now has FOUR years of being a lawyer under his belt. He complains that people question his not being a lawyer long enough--well, JOSE, that seems to be a BAR ASSOCIATION thing--it clearly says that to qualify for a DP case, the defense attorney has to have been practicing for FIVE years, plus whatever the number of cases he has to have under his belt. He needn't act like it is the PUBLIC or the MEDIA who is saying he isn't qualified.

[Native Alien]

Native, there's no one in Florida who isn't afraid of them. They are gigantic and they fly. If you go outside during warm months at around 8 p.m, you are bound to hear screaming from someplace, "Get it off me". I've touched rats, snakes, frogs, lizards without a problem. I see a palmetto, I :chicken:

You want me to spill my guts, admit to anything, just threaten to put one on my hair. :eek:

Gator

Oh I know that they fly, and they are crunchy when you step on them. The first house we lived in had them bad unknown to us. Like the second night we were in the house they showed themselves. First thing next morning an exterminator was called and the house tented for them. That continued every third year until the house was sold.

[Native Alien]

Well, if the location of the body was obtained illegally, I think they should put her back. Only fair!

Am I right that if the information was obtained illegally, then none of the evidence at the dump scene, including the body, can be admitted, unless it can be shown it would have been found anyway?

You are 100% correct in that if the information were illegally obtained them all the evidence would be thrown out. That is why kronk's phone records are so important to Baez. If he can prove that someone gave Kronk information as to where the body was based on a conversation that person overheard between Casey and Baez then it would all be thrown out.

[lorettalockhorn]

You are 100% correct in that if the information were illegally obtained them all the evidence would be thrown out. That is why kronk's phone records are so important to Baez. If he can prove that someone gave Kronk information as to where the body was based on a conversation that person overheard between Casey and Baez then it would all be thrown out.

I heard that Kronk lives (or lived) with this woman, so the information could have been passed down in general conversation or pillow talk and not necessarily by phone. But if the friendship/relationship is close, they probably did talk by phone.

I thought that all areas where attorney and client discussions are held are not wired for audio, making it impossible for privileged information to be overheard. :shrug:

[eatcupcakes]

Here you go....

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/#30557759

Hope this answers your question.

Thank you. I don't like what I heard.

[Native Alien]

I remember there was a big dust-up about if JAB (I love the new initials!) and CMA had a convo in a known non-secured jail location, it was their problem and it was okey-dokey if someone overheard them...

Did that ever get resolved? If Kronk's honey heard them yapping in a hallway...then it would be okay? (I note that Kronk mentioned he talked to his girlfriend's mom who is a psychic...I sure hope this isn't some form of cover...)

I don't think that the whole issue has ever been resolved and it likely won't be until this case goes to trial in my opinion. I don't think that it matters where the attorney and client are, if they are together then client-attorney privilege is in place I believe.

[Native Alien]

Friends and Neighbors of the Anthonys????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=channel_page

Check this out.

[DrewBerry]

If the reports of her bulimia are true, she just might not pack as much as we think. :chicken:

Good point, Amy. Do you recall where and when she is reported being bulimic? This is first time I heard of her being diagnosed with BD.
DrewB :chicken:

[Justice Denied?]

Am I understanding corectly? Ae they saying that Cindy had a boyfriend during the time they were separated? I thought George was the one having an affair. ??? Also said George hadn't said 7 words since they reconciled (3 years). I would like to know the real reason they reconciled, it's sure not love.

[Amy]

Friends and Neighbors of the Anthonys????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSBGyYFwtTk&feature=channel_page

Check this out.

Now, THAT was worth listening to!!! @ the beginning, I was thinking, that old man needs to shut his trap and quit interrupting the lady. Glad he didn't, that was a lot of information, confirming a lot of other stuff we have heard/read about. So, even back on 7/22, there seemed to be a fair number of folks who tho't 1) that Casey did something to Caylee and 2) that Caylee would be found near the Hidden Oaks Elementary.

I see the neighbors (@ least these neighbors) had no love or even friendly neighborliness for Cindy. And she had a boyfriend after George moved out? Hmmmm!!!!! Wonder where that fellow went and when. He probably saw the lay of the land and hightailed it out of there!!!! Cindy was the wage earner in that family--George couldn't seem to keep a job. Heard that before. And, confirmed that Casey was rarely seen taking care of Caylee, Caylee was seen w/the A's. 3 or 4 times, he said "Casey liked to party." I had to laugh at the statement about Casey's line of bf's would reach clear to Toledo!!! And Cindy and George never saw the lines of fellows.

And, the part about Cindy not liking Casey's PR friends. If that is true, I'm betting SHE is fried that Casey's high-power attorney is (gasp) PUERTO RICAN!!!!!!

[Amy]

Good point, Amy. Do you recall where and when she is reported being bulimic? This is first time I heard of her being diagnosed with BD.
DrewB :chicken:

It's been a couple of weeks maybe (don't ask me time, I think Tuesday is Sunday, and Friday is Thursday, and Easter was a couple of months ago!!!) Anyway, I do think there was a discussion on NG when it came out. It was in a newspaper link--and, of course, the headlines scream that Casey is bulemic, but when you read the article, it is "alleged" or someone "saw" her throwing up. No official proclamation of bulimia, that I recall. But, it was in the paper and on NG. (Cuz that's where I get my info.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Here you go....

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/#30557759

Hope this answers your question.

Thanks for the link. Didn't catch what was said about Kronk, but Lawsy, LKB cites Susan Smith when defending the ugly groping, er uh, coping method of grieving/reacting to the kidnapping?! http://i40.tinypic.com/8xu52h.jpg

[Native Alien]

Cindy' s brother Rick also brought up the point that he thought that Casey made up the story about Jose being Caylee's father because Casey knew that it would really fry Cindy's butt.

So that lets me know that Cindy doesn't like PRs.

[DrewBerry]

Nancy Grace was all over this a couple of weeks ago. You can imagine her joy, I'm sure...


Java, I rarely miss a NG episode but this one I did.
Has anyone on the Defense team been trying to associate BD with his "ugly coping" theory?! I'll try to find it on the docs. link.:cuss:
DrewB

[lorettalockhorn]

Cindy' s brother Rick also brought up the point that he thought that Casey made up the story about Jose being Caylee's father because Casey knew that it would really fry Cindy's butt.

So that lets me know that Cindy doesn't like PRs.

Whut the fack? How did I miss that? Spill!!

Gee. Just when you thought you couldn't hate the players more. Can you imagine the Baby Daddy defending the Baby Mama for murder while the GPRents stand nobly for her acquittal and throwing the baby under the bus?!?!

Talk about odious.

[DrewBerry]

I caught that too (snicker) How in the world are they going to account for her ugly coping prior to Caylee missing? She still lied,stole and partied:eek: And gawd knows what else :shrug:

Excellent post, Beem!! How is her dream-team of lawyers going to explain why she was partying while Caylee went "missing?" WTF?! OK, Bozo, give us the "real reason" she's out at bars and hanging on stripper poles. All the while, her daughter has been taken by the nanny/babysitter? :flamemad:
DrewB

[Amy]

Thanks for the link. Didn't catch what was said about Kronk, but Lawsy, LKB cites Susan Smith when defending the ugly groping, er uh, coping method of grieving/reacting to the kidnapping?! http://i40.tinypic.com/8xu52h.jpg


Well for sure, and see where Susan Smith's ugly coping got her--right where she belonged, that's for sure. Ugly coping didn't seem to be an effective defense, and I don't see where it will be an effective defense for this one, either. Wonder if LKB knows the outcome of the Susan Smith case? :chicken:

[Amy]

Cindy' s brother Rick also brought up the point that he thought that Casey made up the story about Jose being Caylee's father because Casey knew that it would really fry Cindy's butt.

So that lets me know that Cindy doesn't like PRs.

Is there a Jose other than Baez? I'm sure there must be, I haven't read the name (except as in Baez) for so long, I don't have a clue which party he is.

[Amy]

Java, I rarely miss a NG episode but this one I did.
Has anyone on the Defense team been trying to associate BD with his "ugly coping" theory?! I'll try to find it on the docs. link.:cuss:
DrewB

I must not have gotten enough sleep today. So, I'm trying to figure out who BD is? TIA

[Native Alien]

Is there a Jose other than Baez? I'm sure there must be, I haven't read the name (except as in Baez) for so long, I don't have a clue which party he is.

Yea he is the guy that committed suicide. The surfer dude if I am not mistaken.

[Native Alien]

There's a rumor that JAB is Caylee's father?!

No the surfer guy that committed suicide. I misspelled the name apparently because several people have asked that same question.

[Native Alien]

This guy

Ortiz, Jesus

I might be wrong about him being the surfer dude.

He is the one that Casey had the obit for and he is the one that was killed in the accident.

[browneyes106]

I saw this earlier, it is worth every one of the 11 minutes, such a hoot! I love the guy, keeps calling Cindy EVIL! And something like "queen b**** of the neighborhood" and Casey had "a string of boyfriends to Ohio and back" (para)! CA must just be a neighbor the likes of which legends are written.

But it is good too in that it makes clear that Kio was telling people she thought Caylee was buried in those woods even before she told the police that...

Now, THAT was worth listening to!!! @ the beginning, I was thinking, that old man needs to shut his trap and quit interrupting the lady. Glad he didn't, that was a lot of information, confirming a lot of other stuff we have heard/read about. So, even back on 7/22, there seemed to be a fair number of folks who tho't 1) that Casey did something to Caylee and 2) that Caylee would be found near the Hidden Oaks Elementary.

I see the neighbors (@ least these neighbors) had no love or even friendly neighborliness for Cindy. And she had a boyfriend after George moved out? Hmmmm!!!!! Wonder where that fellow went and when. He probably saw the lay of the land and hightailed it out of there!!!! Cindy was the wage earner in that family--George couldn't seem to keep a job. Heard that before. And, confirmed that Casey was rarely seen taking care of Caylee, Caylee was seen w/the A's. 3 or 4 times, he said "Casey liked to party." I had to laugh at the statement about Casey's line of bf's would reach clear to Toledo!!! And Cindy and George never saw the lines of fellows.

And, the part about Cindy not liking Casey's PR friends. If that is true, I'm betting SHE is fried that Casey's high-power attorney is (gasp) PUERTO RICAN!!!!!!

I started to listen to the interview earlier this evening but I got a phone call. I just finished listening to it. Bailey reminds me of one of my former bosses. A few years ago I worked at a medical supply store and my boss was a southern guy who was like that. Very blunt but cool to be around. I laughed how he mentioned Kio's 400 pound bf. I wonder if the Dickens' son knew Casey well or not. Cindy has always had an unfriendly vibe and the Dickens and the other neighbors probably caught on it. I laughed at the "evil" and queen biotch" comments. It has been known that George filed for divorce around the time Caylee was born but I never knew about him getting booted out. Also I find it funny that in the jailhouse tapes Cindy and Casey both reffered Kio as Tia Torres who said that Cindy spent time in a psych wardhAlso in the jailhouse tapes Casey said something about not knowing the people in the neighborhood.. It sounded like the detetive said "oh jesus" when the Dickens brought up the psych ward story.
I'm glad the Dickens' came forward and they sound like an adorable couple from the video.

Does know if Ricardo Morales is Puerto Rican or Cuban ? I wonder if there are any other known PR bf's of Casey's.

[DrewBerry]

I think its an abbreviation for bulimia...Drew and I were talking about that...

Thanks, Java. Sorry---it means Bulimic Disorder.

I still want to know when she developed bulimia before she allegedly killed Caylee or after. Just curious. I believe she is doing quite well in jail. Looks as if she's put on a few lbs. Also, she's been unable to get her nightly exercise routine: clubbing, stripper pole dancing; and drinking contests. :flamemad:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

I thought it a hoot how they reminded me of the nosey neighbors like in Bewitched! Funny them saying they didn't want to 'talk over' Kio's comments (before she even spoke to them)~ then went right ahead and did just that! LMAO!
Looks like Cindy should have been a bit more friendly with the neighbors, huh, then maybe they could have fudged a wee little bit on the comments.....EVIL came up pretty quick and so did controlling..or was it domineering...? They had her pegged real good. :D (Maybe it was good they didn't become friendly..Casey might have blamed it on poor Joyce or Bailey, just like Amy and Jesse :rolleyes:).

I swear, it seems like all of this and more (JAB) is just crawling out of the frickin woodwork and scattering like bugs on a wall! A soap opera can't compare to the CMA Show!

OMG! That Gladys Cravetts from Bewitched! Boy, that sure does date me, OS. Speaking of neighbors; it sounds like the Ants. won't qualify for Neighbors of the Year or the CMA award. Ha, ha, ha.
DrewB

[browneyes106]

I thought it a hoot how they reminded me of the nosey neighbors like in Bewitched! Funny them saying they didn't want to 'talk over' Kio's comments (before she even spoke to them)~ then went right ahead and did just that! LMAO!
Looks like Cindy should have been a bit more friendly with the neighbors, huh, then maybe they could have fudged a wee little bit on the comments.....EVIL came up pretty quick and so did controlling..or was it domineering...? They had her pegged real good. :D (Maybe it was good they didn't become friendly..Casey might have blamed it on poor Joyce or Bailey, just like Amy and Jesse :rolleyes:).

I swear, it seems like all of this and more (JAB) is just crawling out of the frickin woodwork and scattering like bugs on a wall! A soap opera can't compare to the CMA Show!

I agree they do remind me of nosy neighbors I think they probably always looked out their windows every time George or Cindy strolled Caylee around. They probably went to the garage sale and I price all the baby clothes the Ant's were selling. It seems like they got a lot of info from Kio or the Burners. They seemed to know about George's job troubles. I also remember on a topix board a couple of months in which a poster claimed that George worked as a security guard at her workplace for a few months. It does seem he bounced around from a security guard jobs. I agree it was good they didn't become friendly or get to know the Ant's better they might have ended up being blamed for something.

[DrewBerry]

Holy Chit and Shineola! These people are saying Kio heard a baby in the background when she was talking by phone to Liar on July 9th?? This means Caylee wasn't missing for 31 days, right?? My head is spinning..

I'm going to go tolerate NG now.. :seeya:

Hey, Nawny---my head is spinning too from listening to this conversation w/neighbors. Without seeing the transcript, I'm not sure what to make of it. How can Kio know for certain who, where, or when the Liar was at the time of the cell call. There are too many people crawling out of the woodworks, huh?!
The truth will come out. Just like it did for Scott P. :flamemad:
DrewB

[Amy]

So, there's a quite the chit-chat about the request for a change of venue that Jose is pushing.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony--2.html

He of course, is upset about all the coverage he has generated and now wants to flee from it since he has apparently dirtied his own nest. Not only that, he probably wants to replace Strickland since he reported him and clearly disdains him. Of course, he also has listed out his desire for new prosecutors, right?...So a new venue would be perfect-he could replace everybody but himself and have a nice tabula rasa.

Of course, since Strickland is the one who decides, I'm going to guess he gets a "no" to the request...unless Strickland decides he doesn't the ulcer...

In the Scott Peterson case, the only change was the change of cities. The Judge and the prosecutors went with the package.

[Twinners]

Have these been out there, before? They are audio recordings said to be of Casey Anthony in the car with the police. She is all demando!Casey on why they didn't release an Amber alert in the first one. Sure sounds like her...arrogant, playing gotcha, just a you-know...aaargh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiq6BEW7ygA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMgidLf8D5U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJQhxuWr_qo&feature=related

It sounds like Casey to me too, but I think the male voice sounds like LP.

[eatcupcakes]

So, there's a quite the chit-chat about the request for a change of venue that Jose is pushing.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/05/casey-anthony--2.html

He of course, is upset about all the coverage he has generated and now wants to flee from it since he has apparently dirtied his own nest. Not only that, he probably wants to replace Strickland since he reported him and clearly disdains him. Of course, he also has listed out his desire for new prosecutors, right?...So a new venue would be perfect-he could replace everybody but himself and have a nice tabula rasa.

Of course, since Strickland is the one who decides, I'm going to guess he gets a "no" to the request...unless Strickland decides he doesn't the ulcer...

That was Bozo's plan. Generate a lot of media coverage and then ask for a change of Venue. If he gets that the next thing he's gonna do is ask for Bail for his client. Don't know that he will get it but he will ask. Espically because the discovery released last week had no Smoking Gun. This case is starting to get me really interested. Did you hear LP last night on NG saying maybe Caylee is innocent, innocent until proved guilty. When words like that come out of his mouth, even if he is just speculating on what others think, it makes me think anything is possible in the case.

[eatcupcakes]

That was Bozo's plan. Generate a lot of media coverage and then ask for a change of Venue. If he gets that the next thing he's gonna do is ask for Bail for his client. Don't know that he will get it but he will ask. Espically because the discovery released last week had no Smoking Gun. This case is starting to get me really interested. Did you hear LP last night on NG saying maybe Caylee is innocent, innocent until proved guilty. When words like that come out of his mouth, even if he is just speculating on what others think, it makes me think anything is possible in the case.

I must have dozed off when LP said that. I fell asleep on the couch before NG ended. If he said that, it can only mean he's vying for some one's approval. Maybe he has the hots for Cindy? I hate when that cowboy says stupid things. That is a horrendous contradiction to everything he's said so far. The Jack-ass. :punch:



waiting for my weebles :seeya:



LP is a jerk, can't understand his 180 last night. He even said something to the effect that someone else could have kill Caylee. Not exact words but something like that. He was very mellow on the show last night, which is not like him. I don't get it but something was not right with him.

[browneyes106]

I can't help wondering what would have happened if Cindy did not confront liar about the stolen money that terrible night. Why did she think that the irresponsible life liar led, would suddenly become a life lived in honesty and integrity with one confrontation? I doubt she thought that. I believe she was out for punishment, not restitution. She really threw a cog in the wheel with that fight because she let her get away with bad behavior forever, then suddenly there was a contingency! Now she wants the world to let her get away murder." Sorry Cindy, that only worked in YOUR house!

Everything we've learned about Cindy tells me, she threatened to take Caylee away from her that night, throw her out and, that confrontation had more to do with revenge than with teaching liar how to employ proper values.

Cindy was IMO, jealous of her own daughter. She took Caylee on as her own daughter because the beautiful little girl flattered her, made her look important. Cindy was (is)superficial. According to the neighbor, she bought thousands of dollars worth of clothes for Caylee and they both walked her in the stroller on their street. Casey never did. Many facts point to Cindy's idea that Caylee was hers. Even Jesse Grund mentioned Cindy insisting that Caylee call her Mommy.

Some mother's have been known to compete with their daughters, however sick that is. I believe Cindy had it out for Casey because she Did NOT make her look good. She was insubordinate to the queen! They were having a spite war over Caylee. Looks like Casey won and lost. She was willing to die and let Caylee die, to get Cindy off her back. That only tells me how very bad the war was, or how literally controlling Cindy is. I don't think liar is done destroying the queen. This relationship is going to be part of the defense. IMO.

Of course there is a solution to every problem, and liar's problem could have been well solved if she had moved out of state with her child when it was born. That would have been my strategy. Find a place far away, get a job, find a baby sitter or day care and build a life. That doesn' take too much money and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to mind your own life. Young mothers do it every day.

I remember very well, when I was 24 years old, had three kids, aged 2, 4 and 6. My husband was drinking too much and things were not good for my children. With $200. dollars, a coupla hefty bags full of clothes and a volkswagen, I drove to the next state. I found a motel, drove the next day to the welfare office in that county. I told my story. I was embarrassed but I had to go there for my kids.

I left with $78 dollars in food stamps and an application for an apartment. They paid the first months security and rent and I found a job in a restaurant the next day, and a babysitter who lived in the building. I interviewed her and her parents. I contacted no one in my family for 3 months. During that 3 months I found second hand beds, a kitchen table and chairs, a couch and a TV. The place looked great!

When I was on my feet, I opted off welfare and my (now) ex husband cleaned up his act because I made him understand what I was capable of and what wasn't going to be tolerated in my life. I also made him wait a year before we reconciled. It worked and we stayed married for 20 years total. I call it standing up for your children. Was it hard? You betcha! But it was worth it. I did it with 3 kids! Liar could have easily done it with one. She didn't have to kill Caylee, she could have escaped.

All my own opinion.

I have known people were in the same situation as you Danagher some were single dads. I commend you and them for escaping and making lives for them and their children.

[DrewBerry]

I was thinking about other cases where someone was murdered. The reactions of so many, (even stupid OJ) who wanted to die. It bothers me that George and Cindy (supposedly) wanted to commit suicide. What does that speak to? Guilt, I'd think. On some level, George felt culpable for Caylee's death IMO. Cindy may have felt responsible for lighting the wick the night liar left with that kid. Or maybe, they both knew more than they're saying about what really happened to Caylee?

That is an interesting point, Nawny. I agree it speaks to the Ants. feeling guilty but not enough for Cindy. . .Perhaps she wants people to think she was suicidal to feel sorry for her (as people did when George made his desperate/lame attempt). I'm not convinced Cindy has any more remorse than the Liar has at this time. She is sooooo over-the-top rageful towards others; even her own husband and their atty. JMHO.
DrewB

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[Gatordog]

Whut the fack? How did I miss that? Spill!!

Gee. Just when you thought you couldn't hate the players more. Can you imagine the Baby Daddy defending the Baby Mama for murder while the GPRents stand nobly for her acquittal and throwing the baby under the bus?!?!

Talk about odious.

I think the Jose they are talking about is a young man who knew Casey and he died in a car crash after Caylee was born. There were rumors that he was the father because he died in a car crash and the Liar said that Caylee's father died in a car crash.

[Gatordog]

Thanks, Java. Sorry---it means Bulimic Disorder.

I still want to know when she developed bulimia before she allegedly killed Caylee or after. Just curious. I believe she is doing quite well in jail. Looks as if she's put on a few lbs. Also, she's been unable to get her nightly exercise routine: clubbing, stripper pole dancing; and drinking contests. :flamemad:
DrewB

They said it was after being in jail for a while. She started gaining weight from lack of exercise and the junk food so she started throwing up at night. The cell she is in has a glass wall so the guards can see into it and I think they would have put her in some sort of medical ward if that was the case.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think the Jose they are talking about is a young man who knew Casey and he died in a car crash after Caylee was born. There were rumors that he was the father because he died in a car crash and the Liar said that Caylee's father died in a car crash.

Thanks Gator! http://i40.tinypic.com/2myqi9v.jpg

Hose Baez Baby Daddy would have made a great story for Law & Order!

OT: I read somewhere that the deceased Jose's parents have an attorney. I've wondered if they have done or will do a DNA test to determine if Caylee was actually their granddaughter.

[JLette]

Is there a Jose other than Baez? I'm sure there must be, I haven't read the name (except as in Baez) for so long, I don't have a clue which party he is.

i believe the other jose was the one who allegedly died in a car crash on his way to caylee's 2nd birthday party. jose orozco i believe

[JLette]

This guy

Ortiz, Jesus

I might be wrong about him being the surfer dude.

He is the one that Casey had the obit for and he is the one that was killed in the accident.

THAT'S who i was thinking of!! where did i get jose orozco from i wonder lol

[JLette]

Well, this sure unravels the mystery! That so called brilliant defense lawyer compared Casey to Susan Smith and made one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard. So where was she going with this?


1. Susan Smith looked for her daughter and she was the one who killed her.

2. Casey Anthony did not look for her daughter, this means she was NOT the one who killed her.

Or, was she simply trying to say that Casey's partying did not point to guilt? Or maybe being involved with Casey in any way, makes the average person's brain fall out of their ass.

Another one bites the dust! Bada Bing!

i really don't think that lawyer actually KNOWS what happened in the Susan Smith case at all. if she did then she is just as DUMB as Jose for making comparisons about her client like that. THE LAWYERS ARE THE ONES TAINTING THE JURY POOL AND I HOPE THE JUDGE SHOVES THAT MOTION RIGHT DOWN JOSE'S THROAT!!!!! :cuss::flamemad::mad:

[Amy]

Well, this sure unravels the mystery! That so called brilliant defense lawyer compared Casey to Susan Smith and made one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard. So where was she going with this?


1. Susan Smith looked for her daughter and she was the one who killed her.

2. Casey Anthony did not look for her daughter, this means she was NOT the one who killed her.

Or, was she simply trying to say that Casey's partying did not point to guilt? Or maybe being involved with Casey in any way, makes the average person's brain fall out of their ass.

Another one bites the dust! Bada Bing!

Either I'm confused or LKB is. 1. Susan Smith had no daughter--she had 2 sons. 2. Susan Smith didn't look for her 2 sons after she let her car with them in it roll into the lake. She told her cockamamey story about their being abducted in a car jacking, but she never went any where to look for her boys. She did, tho, try to drop some crocodile tears on some tv shows, and failed miserably @ that.

[NMurphy02]

The only Susan Smith I know of, had two sons that she drowned. Is there another Susan Smith?

[Amy]

I can't help wondering what would have happened if Cindy did not confront liar about the stolen money that terrible night. Why did she think that the irresponsible life liar led, would suddenly become a life lived in honesty and integrity with one confrontation? I doubt she thought that. I believe she was out for punishment, not restitution. She really threw a cog in the wheel with that fight because she let her get away with bad behavior forever, then suddenly there was a contingency! Now she wants the world to let her get away murder." Sorry Cindy, that only worked in YOUR house!

Everything we've learned about Cindy tells me, she threatened to take Caylee away from her that night, throw her out and, that confrontation had more to do with revenge than with teaching liar how to employ proper values.

Cindy was IMO, jealous of her own daughter. She took Caylee on as her own daughter because the beautiful little girl flattered her, made her look important. Cindy was (is)superficial. According to the neighbor, she bought thousands of dollars worth of clothes for Caylee and they both walked her in the stroller on their street. Casey never did. Many facts point to Cindy's idea that Caylee was hers. Even Jesse Grund mentioned Cindy insisting that Caylee call her Mommy.

Some mother's have been known to compete with their daughters, however sick that is. I believe Cindy had it out for Casey because she Did NOT make her look good. She was insubordinate to the queen! They were having a spite war over Caylee. Looks like Casey won and lost. She was willing to die and let Caylee die, to get Cindy off her back. That only tells me how very bad the war was, or how literally controlling Cindy is. I don't think liar is done destroying the queen. This relationship is going to be part of the defense. IMO.

Of course there is a solution to every problem, and liar's problem could have been well solved if she had moved out of state with her child when it was born. That would have been my strategy. Find a place far away, get a job, find a baby sitter or day care and build a life. That doesn' take too much money and it doesn't take a genius to figure out how to mind your own life. Young mothers do it every day.

I remember very well, when I was 24 years old, had three kids, aged 2, 4 and 6. My husband was drinking too much and things were not good for my children. With $200. dollars, a coupla hefty bags full of clothes and a volkswagen, I drove to the next state. I found a motel, drove the next day to the welfare office in that county. I told my story. I was embarrassed but I had to go there for my kids.

I left with $78 dollars in food stamps and an application for an apartment. They paid the first months security and rent and I found a job in a restaurant the next day, and a babysitter who lived in the building. I interviewed her and her parents. I contacted no one in my family for 3 months. During that 3 months I found second hand beds, a kitchen table and chairs, a couch and a TV. The place looked great!

When I was on my feet, I opted off welfare and my (now) ex husband cleaned up his act because I made him understand what I was capable of and what wasn't going to be tolerated in my life. I also made him wait a year before we reconciled. It worked and we stayed married for 20 years total. I call it standing up for your children. Was it hard? You betcha! But it was worth it. I did it with 3 kids! Liar could have easily done it with one. She didn't have to kill Caylee, she could have escaped.

All my own opinion.

I love to hear success stories, and yours is a great one!!! Wish there was some way to that point across to girls and women everywhere!!!

Meantime, IIRC, Casey wasn't big on keeping Caylee in the first place. I would image it would easier (not easy, mind you, but easier) to give your baby up for adoption before taking her home and living w/her. Casey was an "adult" and no matter HOW MUCH pressure HER parents put on her, she should have stood her ground and given Caylee up for adoption, ESPECIALLY if the relationship was already broken to no end. Even if she WASN'T an adult, she could have gone to a Children's Service, even Planned Parenthood and received assistance in adopting her baby out. They could even have sheltered her, protected her against contact and coercion from Cindy.

I would imagine that she would had to have given up living with (mooching off) her parents, for sure, if she bucked Cindy on the issue. But, if it was just her, maybe she could have made it on her own. (Altho she COULD have made it on her own WITH her baby, but I dont think she has the gumption or fortitude to work THAT hard.)

[Amy]

So here's a Miami Herald story on the change of venue:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/story/1032415.html


I just gotta throw out another mangled grammar statement from JAB: ''Moving this trial to a location far enough away from the local media will not end the coverage, but it will have a chilling effect on the barrage of media coverage that a local trial will bring,'' Baez stated.

I know I am a grammar jerk, but come on, Mr. High-Powered Lawyer, learn to diagram a sentence if it comes down to it, because you are not saying what you think you are saying!

Yeah, and the prosector in the other child murder case (which he lost) says he is articulate. I must say, he must have had some kind of head injury or an illness that affected that part of his brain since then, because articulate and Baez don't belong in the same sentence since he started speaking out about this case.

[Amy]

They said it was after being in jail for a while. She started gaining weight from lack of exercise and the junk food so she started throwing up at night. The cell she is in has a glass wall so the guards can see into it and I think they would have put her in some sort of medical ward if that was the case.

That is the version I had read about. Not that she was bulimic before (that wasn't addressed) or even that she has officially been diagnosed with anything....but the jail personnel have said to someone who said to someone that she was making herself throw up in jail. (Bet, IF it's true, and they can trace the origin, someone in the jail should/will lose his/her job!!!!)

[lorettalockhorn]

LMAO!! I was reading those sames posts, and thinking 'hold on little doggies, where the hey did someone slip in it was JAB as Baby Daddy??' Then you posted Whut the Fack (still LMAO here!) So we went from Jesus Ortiz to Jose Orozco to Jose Conseco :eek: to Jose Baez.....

But what I really want to know is about your OT comment (about the deceased Jose's parents)....say it ain't so!!!!!!! Try to remember where you heard that one....cause that's really something interesting!

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Hey OS, I guess my imagination just went into overdrive.

This is from ages (seems like, anyway) ago:

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=86&num=163160

[eatcupcakes]

If u ask me and know one has, LOL, is that Cindy and Casey were co-dependent that is why Casey never moved out. It is what happens in dsyfunctional relationships. They love to hate each other and they feed off of each others dsyfunctions. Just like an alcholic. Many who are married get divorced once they stop drinking. Its because the dsyfunction that kept them together is gone. When a person is "screwed up" the other person in the relationship feels needed. Lets face it Casey could have moved out and could have gotten Welfare because she had a child with no one to support it. She wanted to stay even though she seem to hate her mother. Sick relationship, MOO

[Gatordog]

i really don't think that lawyer actually KNOWS what happened in the Susan Smith case at all. if she did then she is just as DUMB as Jose for making comparisons about her client like that. THE LAWYERS ARE THE ONES TAINTING THE JURY POOL AND I HOPE THE JUDGE SHOVES THAT MOTION RIGHT DOWN JOSE'S THROAT!!!!! :cuss::flamemad::mad:

JL, that's what I have been thinking all along. The defense is the one flapping gums about everything. I think Baez is deliberately doing everything he can to get the trial moved to Miami. If the judge does move it - it should go to Tampa or Jacksonville.

[Justice Denied?]

Hey OS, I guess my imagination just went into overdrive.

This is from ages (seems like, anyway) ago:

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=86&num=163160

In one of the articles on the above web site, the writer is wondering if George Anthony could be the father. I know Lee's DNA was tested. Wonder if they ever did George to check for paternity???

[Native Alien]

So, the word is that there is a doc dump of 700 or so pages, but not for a week or two (!)

As an aside, I am not a body language expert, of course, but the way Casey keeps rubbing her hands together in court, and allegedly when the body was found...doesn't that mean she did something bad with her hands and is subconsciously trying to clean them? I would think it meant someone accused of murder did it with their own hands if I saw that...rather than something long-distance, like an accidental trunk overdose, you know?

They said that about the last document dump, and there is no way it was the amount of pages that they said it was going to be.

The hand scrubbing thing caught my attention when I saw her in what I think was her second court appearance. Doctors will tell you that it is a sign of a guilty conscious where they did something that caused their hands to be dirty and now they can't seem to get them clean.

[mu8shark]

These photos, the story about him finding the bag of stuff and telling Cindy...

Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up, and it's giving me the creeps.

The question is not 'what has Casey done' (answered), but "what has Cindy done?!" I have a question about these two photos of Caylee on the pink towel and the one of the stuff found at Blanchard Park. Were both of these or one of these from the document dumps or were they just photos you found someone else online and compared. Good find I admit.! What I am getting at is if this is from the document dump then it might suggest police may have already put these two photos together and made the connection. I can't help but think of Casey saying,"They have not even found the clothes " because I think she planted that towel to get police to focus on Blanchard, so I would be curious if you know if these are from the document dumps . Anyhow thanks in advance for trying to answer my question. LOL.

[mu8shark]

I have another question for those who watched JVM. On there a lawyer was saying that in one of the stories Casey told LE she said that she was blindfolded at JB Park and was told not to call the police until Zenaida was gone with the baby. First of all, where is that statement to LE? I don't recall that one . I thought this was a similiar story she through out to her parents and Leonard. Also this story is rather contradictory to Lee's account that Casey told him she did not scream or anything because she was so shocked. In that story does Lee mention a blindfold? I don't recall that. Secondly and more importantly, if they said don't call police until we leave then why didn't she? So in one account presumbly the reason she did not call LE for a month and would of waited longer is because she was threatened by Zanny or whoever phantom kidnapper is. So someone told her not to call police or tell anyone at all, but in this other version on JVM they only told her to wait till they had driven away. So which is it? And please refresh my memory where is the LE interview where she told the Jay Blanchard story at all? I thought with LE she stayed with the Zanny, Sawgrass story.

[Amy]

JL, that's what I have been thinking all along. The defense is the one flapping gums about everything. I think Baez is deliberately doing everything he can to get the trial moved to Miami. If the judge does move it - it should go to Tampa or Jacksonville.

I wish he would go to court like tomorrow for one of his trumped up motions, and let Judge Strickland remind him in no uncertain terms exactly WHO is tainting the jury pool!!! I'm sure the Judge could say it in a pretty scathing, entertaining way that would have all of us clapping and laughing. Trouble is, I'm not sure Jose would "get it" if ya know what I mean.

[mu8shark]

Thanks for sharing! I just went back and read through parts of Cindy's mother's interview and according to her, she decided not to press charges against Casey at some point around the time she discovered the money was missing. She said she told the bank they could if they wanted, but that she wasn't going to do it for Cindy and Caylee's sake. I think she said that was between April and May.

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I'm not sure what to make of Cindy's brother, but just from what Cindy's mom had to say, I don't think the argument Cindy & Casey were supposed to have had had anything to do with Cindy and her mom discussing her pressing charges against Casey that day. In fact, I'm no longer sure I believe they had an argument at all the day before Casey took Caylee and left. I think, just based on all the stuff neighbors and so forth have said, the big fight was probably at some point before then. IOW, I don't think the supposed fight was the catalyst for Casey leaving. I think she'd been planning to do what she did for some time. It wasn't a spur of the moment thing, IMO.I agree there is reason to suspect that a fight took place.I am not saying it absolutely didn't but I have my suspicions it did not. Remember that Jesse says Lee told him, not because Lee witnessed but the paragon of truth told him there was fight, Casey. The only source is Casey. And the tons of neighbors heard it is not true if you read their interviews. One neighbor references a fight in May, Another is not sure at all. IF anyone can prove me wrong and find the interview where a neighbor or tons of neighbors assert they heard a specific fight on the 16th , I am all ears. But I think we need to look at that scenario in a different light. Here is what i think, her wanting to go spend the night and some time with new boyfriend Tony is what prompted it. She had been thinking about it for a while, ie the March searches. Tony told her she could stay but he was not comfortable with Caylee staying the night. According to co workers Cindy told them she and Casey had been fighting prior , not on June 16 exactly but in May and early June. Remember she was saying she and George probably did not have the money to go for custody . Now with this in mind if Cindy had been on her ass for a while, and even if she mentioned a custody battle, Casey was not about to ask her Mom to watch Caylee that night so she could go shack up with her boyfriend, so I think she may have just decided now was the time, as she needed to concentrate on a new boyfriend. That is my theory, maybe there was no fight at all. Casey told Lee that to put the onus on Cindy for why she took off and stayed away for a full month. Right? I mean poor Casey and her , mean wild , controlling Mom choking her. Who wouldn't disappear for a month? After all when Lee ask why she would not let her Mom see Caylee or why she disappeared for a month, she could not exactly answer "Well I dumped the body and I needed time for it to decompose" Casey did not want that search to happen at all, so she prolonged it as long as she could.

[mu8shark]

Thanks Gator- I have never seen an Enquirer reference come up on anything that I have googled. No wonder I couldn't find it. I think it's probably a good thing that Lee told Jesse about it then. That may carry more weight with a jury than a neighbor who sold an interview to Enquirer.I doubt anyone would talk to Enquirer for free. LOLAgain this is problematic because Lee was not there for the fight. Casey told him about the fight and Lee told Jesse. The source so far as I can see for the fight is only Casey. Either Cindy or Casey is lying and while I certainly think they both lie in this case I think Casey made it up. There are no neighbor interviews that say a fight happened on the 16th that i can see.

[Amy]

When all is over and said and done, and Casey has her date with Ol' Sparky--Please tell me Sparky is back in service!!!!---we will still never, ever know exactly what went on, how little Caylee died, or even WHY she died. Because, even if Casey "talked" (and I don't think for a nanosecond she would) she would still come up with half a dozen versions. Even if she were to slip the truth in there somewhere, we will never know it, cuz with all the lies she tells, how are we going to know WHAT to believe?

I really wonder what the A's learned whilst Casey was out on bail. Now, I know there was a bond plant (Tracy?) there most of the time, and there was a lot of time that the A's were out on their lawn interacting (snicker) w/the protesters. But, I'm thinking there was possibly a moment here and there that Tracey could be distracted by one, and the other attempt to get some info from Casey.

@ first, when Cindy says they didn't talk about Caylee because Jose told them not to I tho't oh, right, Cindy. And we're sure you sit quietly and take your orders from Jose Baez. But then, I get to thinking. Whether Baez told them or not I'm betting Casey took quite the advantage, Nope, Mom, not gonna talk to you. Not gonna answer your questions. Jose said no-no. When are you going to cook some mac 'n cheese for supper? I'll do up the brownies for dessert.

[mu8shark]

You're kind of missing the point...how do we KNOW what it is or whose it is? Who is the source on its not being Caylee's? On any of the JBP stuff being not Caylee's? As opposed to using the zoom function and playing around... I showed this photo to three different people and all three think it looks very similiar, two even see the same swirl pattern on it like I think I saw. I think Casey maybe had a few alternate stories planned, I means she had a month. And even if she was planning to use the Zenaida Sawgrass one , why not plant stuff at Blanchard to get cops looking at the wrong place? Maybe she put the stuff there early on and when the Sawgrass story did not pan out she thought Well I dumped that stuff at Blanchard, why not have a new story at Blanchard?

[Justice Denied?]

I have another question for those who watched JVM. On there a lawyer was saying that in one of the stories Casey told LE she said that she was blindfolded at JB Park and was told not to call the police until Zenaida was gone with the baby. First of all, where is that statement to LE? I don't recall that one . I thought this was a similiar story she through out to her parents and Leonard. Also this story is rather contradictory to Lee's account that Casey told him she did not scream or anything because she was so shocked. In that story does Lee mention a blindfold? I don't recall that. Secondly and more importantly, if they said don't call police until we leave then why didn't she? So in one account presumbly the reason she did not call LE for a month and would of waited longer is because she was threatened by Zanny or whoever phantom kidnapper is. So someone told her not to call police or tell anyone at all, but in this other version on JVM they only told her to wait till they had driven away. So which is it? And please refresh my memory where is the LE interview where she told the Jay Blanchard story at all? I thought with LE she stayed with the Zanny, Sawgrass story.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the speaker on JVM was mistaken. That was the first time I ever heard anyone say anything about a blindfold or "don't call the police until we leave". the story I remember was they knocked her down after giving her a script to follow for 30 days.

[mu8shark]

I gather Jose is the one who thinks Casey should sue for having her privacy violated. In jail? Jose, come on! And in one of his other interviews he talked about untruths by the media and how they will be dealt with later. Can he not focus on the task at hand? He needs to stop worrying about all this other stuff and concentrate on the evidence and the case at hand. And tipping his hand by revealing ugly coping, which by the way never worked in the first place in the other case, His inexperience is really showing. PS Why did LKB compare Casey to Susan Smith? What a terrible comparison to make pubicly. That whole thing did not make sense. While the defense loves the national coverage it is because the national media on those morning shows do not follow up or challenge anything. At least the local media knows the cases well enough to ask the right follow up questions.

[mu8shark]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the speaker on JVM was mistaken. That was the first time I ever heard anyone say anything about a blindfold or "don't call the police until we leave". the story I remember was they knocked her down after giving her a script to follow for 30 days.Well I won't correct you because I don't think the talking head got the story right either. . Maybe some of us should go on JVM, at least we can get the details right!! LOL.

[mu8shark]

I swear her hips were like THIS before she got arrested!

http://i41.tinypic.com/f9oc9u.pngYou guys are just funny and that is my theory!Loretta and Java love the funny caption photos. Boy does she deserve it.Way too many pork rinds and pop tarts. Maybe she should go back to just tongueing burritos

[lighthousedazy]

I gather Jose is the one who thinks Casey should sue for having her privacy violated. In jail? Jose, come on! And in one of his other interviews he talked about untruths by the media and how they will be dealt with later. Can he not focus on the task at hand? He needs to stop worrying about all this other stuff and concentrate on the evidence and the case at hand. And tipping his hand by revealing ugly coping, which by the way never worked in the first place in the other case, His inexperience is really showing. PS Why did LKB compare Casey to Susan Smith? What a terrible comparison to make pubicly. That whole thing did not make sense. While the defense loves the national coverage it is because the national media on those morning shows do not follow up or challenge anything. At least the local media knows the cases well enough to ask the right follow up questions.As NG and the other lawyers said, there is no privacy in jail. They can even watch you take a poopy. NG's words not mine. JAB is a fool if he thinks she can sue for violation of privacy. :)

[lighthousedazy]

I showed this photo to three different people and all three think it looks very similiar, two even see the same swirl pattern on it like I think I saw. I think Casey maybe had a few alternate stories planned, I means she had a month. And even if she was planning to use the Zenaida Sawgrass one , why not plant stuff at Blanchard to get cops looking at the wrong place? Maybe she put the stuff there early on and when the Sawgrass story did not pan out she thought Well I dumped that stuff at Blanchard, why not have a new story at Blanchard?
I agree and I mentioned it a while back. The 2 pink things looked to be the same to me. The one at JBP was weathered and sun bleached. And I can see her planting these things there. jmo Justice for Caylee :rose:

[mu8shark]

Well, if the location of the body was obtained illegally, I think they should put her back. Only fair!

Am I right that if the information was obtained illegally, then none of the evidence at the dump scene, including the body, can be admitted, unless it can be shown it would have been found anyway?
You are talking about fruit from the poison tree and this would not apply thanks goodness in this situation. . That rule stipulates that if you search an area, a house, a car, etc without a proper search warrant or probable cause then anything you find can not be used. It also applies to if you do not properly mirandize someone and you get info improperly you can't use any info obtained, , however, if Roy Kronk who is not a LE employee does something sneaky or illegal or even gets info from a LE girlfriend , all info found there would still be able to come in as he is not even a LE employee.

[mu8shark]

You are 100% correct in that if the information were illegally obtained them all the evidence would be thrown out. That is why kronk's phone records are so important to Baez. If he can prove that someone gave Kronk information as to where the body was based on a conversation that person overheard between Casey and Baez then it would all be thrown out. I hate to be argumentative but that is not correct. If Kronk got the info illegally he is a private citizen and LE and the prosecution can't be punished for what a private citizen does. Even if a deputy overheard it and gave the info out, it would not make the search of the area illegal and none of the evidence would be thrown out. The deputy who overheard it and passed on the info might be fired but it would not preclude all info found at the site. This rule applies to evidence illegally obtained because of a faulty search with a bad warrant or no warrant or no probable cause. None of the defense lawyers have even suggested that evidence from the body site would be thrown out because Kronk is not LE and so him finding the body , even if info was given to him illegally has nothing to do with a search warrant or probable cause by LE.LE had probable cause as soon as the body was found and I am sure a search warrant was affected and that is all that matters. And anyhow, the more and more I think about it the more I think Casey would never have told a soul where that body was, as it would point to her guilt or involvement , and Casey does not even want her lawyer to know the truth.

[mu8shark]

Whut the fack? How did I miss that? Spill!!

Gee. Just when you thought you couldn't hate the players more. Can you imagine the Baby Daddy defending the Baby Mama for murder while the GPRents stand nobly for her acquittal and throwing the baby under the bus?!?!

Talk about odious.Am I getting this right that Jose Baez is rumored on some site to be the baby daddy, of Caylee? Or am i getting this screwed up?> How could that be when she did not know Jose Baez. Geesh!Sound far fetched to me unless I just misunderstood the point.

[mu8shark]

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LP is a jerk, can't understand his 180 last night. He even said something to the effect that someone else could have kill Caylee. Not exact words but something like that. He was very mellow on the show last night, which is not like him. I don't get it but something was not right with him.I did not take it as him saying he thought she might be innocent or someone else did it, i took it he was arguring others in the community may believe that and there was no reason for the change of venue. I don't think he has changed his position one iota, he just is a pretty poor communicator sometimes and he is not articulate enough to make his point. .

[mu8shark]

Hi Mu...I found it elsewhere, someone thinking that the shape next to the pink thing at Blanchard was a dead puppy. (it's, of course, not). But the pink thing caught my eye...I think it is either the same thing or from the same (Target?) line, myself.

I think that the bathing suit photo was from a photobucket, so police should have it...if she planted false evidence, she goes up a tick in my estimation of her intellect, but only a small notch. She had after all 31 days. Alas, if she had only had 32! I wonder where the photo of the junk at the park came from if the police have that as well. Do you think the guy who took that photo, the Williams guy has a site or posted it somewhere on the internet because where could someone get that photo of the stuff except in police files or from the person presumably Williams who took the photo.

[mu8shark]

I just finished rereading Vincent Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter and found this passage particulary relevant to this case and really most true crime cases. "In literature, a murder is often likened to a picture puzzle. If one is patient and keeps trying, eventually all the pieces will fit into place. A much better analogy would be two picture puzzles or three or more, none of which is complete. Even after a solution emerges there will always be leftover pieces, evidence that does not fit and some pieces will always be missing." I think about that when I get frustrated because in this case , some things just don't make sense, particulary when all the Anthonys constantly lie. A toast to Vincent and hopefully finding most of the truth in this case. :beer:

[Native Alien]

Am I getting this right that Jose Baez is rumored on some site to be the baby daddy, of Caylee? Or am i getting this screwed up?> How could that be when she did not know Jose Baez. Geesh!Sound far fetched to me unless I just misunderstood the point.

No not Jose Baez. It was Jesus Ortiz that I was thinking of and the neighbors mentioned it that is how it came up.

[Native Alien]

You know, I poked around to try and find the original source, but only saw that many others have noted the similarity as well...The hunt for Photographer Zero I think will have to wait for morning for me, but I am now curious as to whether this is something the police have noted, too. I like to think they check up on these crime sites as so many people looking over the evidence (oh, sorry, JAB, the "discovery") are bound to find some good stuff, you know?

I do remember there was some sort of scandal involving some folks on another site taking photos during a TES search, and that is strictly forbidden, I guess...

The photos originated with the Volunteer Caylee Search Team. So if you search for that it should take you to a Scared Monkey thread. There is alot more to if I have the right picture and I think that I do.

I am going to check out one more website and see what comes of that as well.

[Amy]

Am I getting this right that Jose Baez is rumored on some site to be the baby daddy, of Caylee? Or am i getting this screwed up?> How could that be when she did not know Jose Baez. Geesh!Sound far fetched to me unless I just misunderstood the point.

There was a post earlier today about Jose, the baby daddy. The poster in fact was referring to a player I, for one, had forgotten about. The poster was referring to a Jose mentioned early on--wasn't the guy who died in the car accident named Jose? Anyway, it sure did liven up the board there for a while, cuz you and I weren't the only ones who tho't the post meant Jose Baez.

[Amy]

Yes, a toast to Vincent :beer:

What I find incredible but not surprising is, she really thought lying to the police initially and dragging them around Sawgrass and Universal would work. That only worked in her house and someone forgot to tell her. Her habit of lying and getting away with it, got her arrested. See how home training doesn't always prepare kids for the real world? What mommy and daddy tolerate isn't necessarily what the real world tolerates.

What I found incredible was that, once confronted by LE that she is lying, and her ADMITTING she was lying, she just segued right back into the story without blinking an eye!!!

[Gatordog]

This makes my blood boil. Take note of the very last sentence. My brother lives north of Miami in Broward County and when he goes to Miami, he can't even order a cheese sandwich because no one speaks English - it's all Spanish. So, if someone gets a summons to appear for jury duty and they can't speak English well, can the State's Attorney dismiss then because of a language barrier or is Bozo going to call that discrimination. Can you just see it now - the jury is going to need translators! That is not a jury of her peers nor is it justice for the victim.

:flamemad:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19379532/detail.html

[Gatordog]

I wonder where the photo of the junk at the park came from if the police have that as well. Do you think the guy who took that photo, the Williams guy has a site or posted it somewhere on the internet because where could someone get that photo of the stuff except in police files or from the person presumably Williams who took the photo.

The Williams guy found the toys at Suburban Drive. It was a different search party who found the stuff at Jay Blanchard. I remember him as being tall, thin and dark whereas the Williams guy is more blond. I live close to Jay Blanchard so I paid extra attention at the time. It was a group of about five people or so who went on numerous trips to the park to search.

[Gatordog]

[/B]

Very interesting! I'm going to look that up! It sounds right.

Hey Nawny, this morning on WFTV they said the docs that were recently turned over to the defense and will be released soon is all old stuff, previously released.

Hope you're having your morning cawfee with your princesses!

Gator

[Gatordog]

You know, right away on page one of this: http://www.wftv.com/blank/19374401/detail.html

I notice a problem. Why would they re-iterate that June 9 was the last day Casey saw Caylee? I tell you, betcha Cindy better watch her back!

Wow, I only read the first few paragraphs and have found numerous errors. First, the one you mention about Caylee not being seen after June 9 and then it states that she was arrested on June 15 which is incorrect. The 911 calls were made the evening of June 15 and she was arrested on June 16. With these major mistakes, how can we trust any of the other information provided in the motion? Good lord, I pity those students that Bozo taught and I'm sort of relieved that so far, they are not accredited. Who needs to have more Bozos running around, trying to defend people when they don't know what they are doing?

As to the televison shows, he's been on most of them and the Anthony's staged the Nancy Grace show in the beginning, The Today Show, Good Morning America, Larry King, etc. I haven't seen one program which had any of the State's Attorneys. Bozo certainly orchestrated this three ring circus for his advantage and I hope it blows up in his face. He states Pensacola has a lower media rating than Miami. I'm good with Pensacola. :)

[DrewBerry]

This makes my blood boil. Take note of the very last sentence. My brother lives north of Miami in Broward County and when he goes to Miami, he can't even order a cheese sandwich because no one speaks English - it's all Spanish. So, if someone gets a summons to appear for jury duty and they can't speak English well, can the State's Attorney dismiss then because of a language barrier or is Bozo going to call that discrimination. Can you just see it now - the jury is going to need translators! That is not a jury of her peers nor is it justice for the victim.

:flamemad:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19379532/detail.html

ITA with ya, Gator! I can just see Bozo playing that card. . .:flamemad:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

My second cuppa cawffee just ignited my brain cells. But at best, I'm not as with it as all of you here.

My mind still wonders around the possible defense platform. What will it consist of? I feel he is doing a litmus test when Baez leaks his strategies. The latest reaction regarding ugly coping got a bad review. He may tuck that away eh? Of course we know Zani got a terrible review. At this point I'm going for the "Cindy caused the problem" defense.

ARM CHAIR

It might go like this: Cindy caused liar extraordinary stress. She was suffering from PTS to the point where she couldn't respond appropriately to the kidnapping. She was unable to cope with the loss of her daughter because she was continuously pressured by her mother to the point where she lost all concept of time.

She lived in fear all of her life and her life was akin to a hostage situation. When she asked for help for mental distress, her mother refused to address it, refused to help her because she was terribly afraid of what the "people" would think of their faux perfect family. Casey was losing her mind while Cindy Anthony continued to abuse her, causing liar's auto flight or flight mechanism to kick in, and this is why she ran to the party scenes.

She began to hallucinate and truly believed Zenaida Gonzalez took her baby. When her mind snapped, she didn't know what the truth was anymore.

My argument is, the truth destroyed two lives, my client's and her daughter Caylee's and she doesn't know who took her baby because her mind was trapped in the worst case of dissociative posture possible, due to Cindy Anthony's abuse. IMO


Howz dat? :confused:


Maybe I'll figure it out with the 3rd cup of coffee. ;)

You're forgetting the part about George's attempt to leave and later his attempted suicide?! "More proof of the stress the entire family was exposed to but most importantly, my client suffered intense trauma caused directly by her CRAZY MOTHER!:"
Watcha think?
DrewB

[Native Alien]

Thanks, NA! I think SM must be where I originally found this image...If you happen to know, did the original searcher confirm that the pink thing is a towel?

No didn't confirm but if you look thru the pictures, I think that it is on page 2 of the thread, you can see it again and looks like it is actually a drawstring type bag. Looks like they put some of the other stuff in it to move the other stuff.

[DrewBerry]

Nawny, you should get a job working for Jose...at least then someone could edit his mish-mashed prose!

Good one, Java! I agree, Nawny, you really could help the clown with his ongoing circus act!!
Java, I love your quote about Cindy. . ."chomp, chomp, snap!" :D
Simply brilliant!
DrewB

[Native Alien]

Original Scared monkeys Front page.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/16/caylee-anthony-still-missing-independent-volunteer-caylee-search-team-find-possible-evidence-clothing-backpack/

Link to the picture thread on SM.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3276.0

[jas72]

And again, "chilling effect", "barrage"...aren't these just a little informal?

His wording is just awful. It makes my eyes bleed. :(

I didn't have a problem with it. A "chilling effect" to me means that something has the effect of cooling off something, or slowing it down in some manner. So for the trial to be located elsewhere would have the effect of diminishing the onslaught (barrage) of media coverage.
I don't agree with that assessment, but he seems to think it would somehow decrease the media circus.

[Justice Denied?]

Hi JD :seeya: Not going there-nope,nope, nope :confused: MOO

Hello, Beem!

Okay, won't go there, but I'd still like to know if they tested. My belief is that Casey had so many boyfriends even she doesn't know who the dad is. MOO, JMO

[Justice Denied?]

I gather Jose is the one who thinks Casey should sue for having her privacy violated. In jail? Jose, come on! And in one of his other interviews he talked about untruths by the media and how they will be dealt with later. Can he not focus on the task at hand? He needs to stop worrying about all this other stuff and concentrate on the evidence and the case at hand. And tipping his hand by revealing ugly coping, which by the way never worked in the first place in the other case, His inexperience is really showing. PS Why did LKB compare Casey to Susan Smith? What a terrible comparison to make pubicly. That whole thing did not make sense. While the defense loves the national coverage it is because the national media on those morning shows do not follow up or challenge anything. At least the local media knows the cases well enough to ask the right follow up questions.

I think JAB's inexperience is really costing him. My personal belief is that the prosecution is dumping everything on Baez that they are not going to use in court and they will hold all the really good stuff back until they absolutely have to reveal it. I keep picture Baez running around from one issue to another trying to put the fires out. For example, the contents of the trunk, to Casey's reaction when he body was discovered, to the bullet found at the sight, etc., etc. I don't think he has the foggiest notion how to prepare a cohesive defense.

[JLette]

i just read the motion for the change of venue and i am left almost speechless. first of all, defense attorney's cannot just DEMAND anything from a judge, and MR BAEZ seems to think that he is holding all the cards for this case, what is he thinking??? i really hope the Judge looks at this motion and wipes his a** with it!! that is all it is good for imo.

[JLette]

I don't blame Strickland for anything he does in the privacy of his bathroom to deal with working with him. You watch: Strickland will say no, JAB will then insist that Strickland recuse himself, Strickland will say no...it's going to be a fiasco.

I am looking forward to seeing/reading the depositions JAB is taking. Can you imagine being deposed by him?

lmao there are NO WORDS for me to describe how ridiculous and hilarious i find this guy. i still don't see how he passed law school OMG, what a piece of work.

i just hope that he isn't practicing incompetence in order to get casey a good appeal after her conviction.

[Justice Denied?]

My second cuppa cawffee just ignited my brain cells. But at best, I'm not as with it as all of you here.

My mind still wonders around the possible defense platform. What will it consist of? I feel he is doing a litmus test when Baez leaks his strategies. The latest reaction regarding ugly coping got a bad review. He may tuck that away eh? Of course we know Zani got a terrible review. At this point I'm going for the "Cindy caused the problem" defense.

ARM CHAIR

It might go like this: Cindy caused liar extraordinary stress. She was suffering from PTS to the point where she couldn't respond appropriately to the kidnapping. She was unable to cope with the loss of her daughter because she was continuously pressured by her mother to the point where she lost all concept of time.

She lived in fear all of her life and her life was akin to a hostage situation. When she asked for help for mental distress, her mother refused to address it, refused to help her because she was terribly afraid of what the "people" would think of their faux perfect family. Casey was losing her mind while Cindy Anthony continued to abuse her, causing liar's auto flight or flight mechanism to kick in, and this is why she ran to the party scenes.

She began to hallucinate and truly believed Zenaida Gonzalez took her baby. When her mind snapped, she didn't know what the truth was anymore.

My argument is, the truth destroyed two lives, my client's and her daughter Caylee's and she doesn't know who took her baby because her mind was trapped in the worst case of dissociative posture possible, due to Cindy Anthony's abuse. IMO


Howz dat? :confused:


Maybe I'll figure it out with the 3rd cup of coffee. ;)

Excellent assessment! That would be my defense - that Casey has some sort of dissociative disorder that prevents her from telling reality from fantasy. And I would use the jail house tape of when the body was discovered to prove it, where Casey says, "this is not real. This is not happening." Then she starts talking about football. JMO, MOO

[Justice Denied?]

I showed this photo to three different people and all three think it looks very similiar, two even see the same swirl pattern on it like I think I saw. I think Casey maybe had a few alternate stories planned, I means she had a month. And even if she was planning to use the Zenaida Sawgrass one , why not plant stuff at Blanchard to get cops looking at the wrong place? Maybe she put the stuff there early on and when the Sawgrass story did not pan out she thought Well I dumped that stuff at Blanchard, why not have a new story at Blanchard?

You know how it's said that there is always a grain of truth in everything Casey says? What if Blanchard Park is the location where she actually killed Caylee, instead of the house? Just a theory, I still think it happened at the house. JMO, MOO

[browneyes106]

I know-prolly take at least 2 weeks of Maury-Who's your daddy and maybe still not know. In my opine i think she rather the Ant's did not know. Caylee was her meal ticket and with no daddy in the picture to take her for weekends and make child support payments-it just made Caylee much more dependant on the Ant's. Therefore securing Liar a spot in that house. And the Ant's very attached to Caylee. No outside interference-especially if there were ever any custody or money issues. Liar would not want herself exposed as a deadbeat Mom. She may have been able to pull the job issue over her parent's but certainly not a court. MOO

A few years ago I worked at a car auto repair shop and my coworker and I watched Maury almost daily in the lobby. I remember there was woman who had 10 men tested in three different shows and none were the father of her child. After the last tests were done Maury felt sorry for them and gave the woman and her son a trip to a Disneyland.

Good point if there was a dad in the picture The Ants wouldn't have supported Casey that much. The Ants might not have spent 2 grand on baby clothes or bought Caylee expensive toys. Based on a lot of the pics of the inside of the house it seemed like Caylee had a lot of expensive toys and even her room looked like it had been custom decorated. If there had been a dad involved and lets say he lived in the Orlando area he might have gotten more than weekends with Caylee. Also good point on custody hearings. Usually in a lot of custody hearings both parents turn in work records like pay stubs and tax stuff. I would how Casey would have explained having a job with no records.

There are theories on other online message boards that it is possible that Casey and the Ants knew who Caylee's father was but they kept her from them. I sort of think maybe Cindy became obessed with Caylee and she probably couldn't bear the thought of having to share Caylee with a man and his family. Or if there is truth of Jesus Ortiz being Caylee's dad maybe they didn't want Caylee around his family. Cindy's brother Rick insists in his emails and topix posts that Jesus can't be the father because Caylee has no Hispanic traits. I have seen many mixed Hispanic/White children that look white. Also many Hispanic/Latinos have light features. I still think it is possible that Jesus was Caylee's father.

[browneyes106]

You very well may be right on the parentage. It worked to everyone's advantage to keep the Dad out of the picture. I always wondered also if Caylee was C's project-I screwed up with my daughter-maybe this time i can get it right. MOO

That could have been the case. I have known people who have done stuff like that with grandchildren and sometimes they have managed to save their grandchildren. But I think George and Cindy's dysfunctional marriage would have hurt Caylee at some point.

[Gatordog]

I don't blame Strickland for anything he does in the privacy of his bathroom to deal with working with him. You watch: Strickland will say no, JAB will then insist that Strickland recuse himself, Strickland will say no...it's going to be a fiasco.

I am looking forward to seeing/reading the depositions JAB is taking. Can you imagine being deposed by him?

I would imagine that they would have to at least try to seat a jury before making the decision one year in advance to move the trial. How can you trust any "consultant" that Baez has used. It's probably just an alias for his own company as we know as happened before and the numbers are probably false.

[Gatordog]

Excellent assessment! That would be my defense - that Casey has some sort of dissociative disorder that prevents her from telling reality from fantasy. And I would use the jail house tape of when the body was discovered to prove it, where Casey says, "this is not real. This is not happening." Then she starts talking about football. JMO, MOO

I wonder how many books on psychology she has read in prison. I can see Baez' next motion for invasion of privacy when the State asks for a list of books she has borrowed from the jail library. Hey, if the Feds can see what I'm borrowing from the public library, what makes her books more private?

[Gatordog]

You know how it's said that there is always a grain of truth in everything Casey says? What if Blanchard Park is the location where she actually killed Caylee, instead of the house? Just a theory, I still think it happened at the house. JMO, MOO

Every time I drive past the park which is almost everyday, I can't help but remember that white car that I saw parked in a very secluded place. It had a black bra. It was parked in between the two walls of a bridge which led down an embankment to the river, and were not visible.

[Gatordog]

Scroll to see the Survey on moving the trial to another location.

I like the question. It hits the nail right on the head. I wish it could hit the attorney right on the head too. :punch: It's almost a sin to call Baez an attorney considering his record. Hey do you think any of our posts have made it to his motion?

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/index.html

[Gatordog]

True Jas, it's pretty clear why he used the words "chilling effect" But that metaphore is normally used to define fear. Example: The sight of blood on the floor had a "chilling effect" on Mr. Jones because he knew something dreadful had taken place there.

He is bilingual and often that causes a misuse of the English language. He should have kept it simple and said, Moving to a location where there is less media attention, would lend my client the chance for a fair trial. MOO.

:shrug:

I agree with your definition. To me, it means to have fear. It would make me shiver out of fear or apprehension. Bozo likes to speak in riddles and circles. I think he believes it makes him appear intelligent. It makes him appear as confused.

[Amy]

Here's a link to the SM article: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/16/caylee-anthony-still-missing-independent-volunteer-caylee-search-team-find-possible-evidence-clothing-backpack/

Good for them! I didn't know about this somehow...

The pink thing in the pic (and this is clearer, I think than the one I saw earlier) looks more to me like a tie-died t-shirt. That's what I tho't in the pic being posted last week (or whenever.) The only thing is, it seems to be bigger than what one would expect a tiny to be wearing. But still, does not look so much like a towel to me, even considering being out in the elements and all.

[Amy]

Maybe his only hope is a confused jury! :tongue:

Unless Baez returns to the "articulate" state he was in during his previous child murder defense case, he's going to confuse the jury no matter WHAT language he has to use.

I can see the jury w/puzzled looks on their faces as Baez examines his witness and cross exams the prosecution witness. Hell, I can see looks of puzzlement on the faces of the WITNESSES as they struggle to figure out how to answer bumbling, unorganized questions!!!!

Then, they just have to sort out the evidence as provided by the state to figure out what went on. "Hey, Mr Foreman, we can't make a lick of sense out of the defense presentations, so we're going to concentrate on the understandable stuff from the state." BINGO!!!!! Buh Bye, Casey!!!

IMO, no matter the majority of the "culture" of wherever the trial may be held, there are few cultures whose members are "okay" in any way for a mother to kill her 2 1/2 year old child. They wouldn't even understand it if the child was of ANY age. I figure his best hope is a jury of 19 y/o's--all party type girls would possibly think--hey, I know it is hard to get grandma to watch the baby even 3 times a week so I can go party, and how expensive it would be to pay someone to watch her--especially if I don't really have a job. Yeah, I can see where she had no choice. Don't know if they would identify so much killing a baby to get back @ the grandma, tho. The one who paid for everything, who probably had the care of the baby except when she was @ work. OTOH--some of them might be in such a relationship w/their own mothers.

[Amy]

Original Scared monkeys Front page.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/08/16/caylee-anthony-still-missing-independent-volunteer-caylee-search-team-find-possible-evidence-clothing-backpack/

Link to the picture thread on SM.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3276.0

In the second link, in the last pic from Channel 6, it does look like the tie-died pink article is a drawstring bag.

[Amy]

His grammar is whack. I really don't consider it appropriate for a court doc. We shouldn't have to translate what he's saying in our heads to understand what he's actually saying. It's bad enough when he does that in the press. And chilling a barrage is mixing metaphors...unless maybe he plans on hosing down the incoming...

polite request...if you edit my posts, could you note it by *snipping*? I'm okay with snipping for relevance, but it's better if its noted...thanks :)

I did not think that lawyers presented motions in common language--usually it is full of legalese that you need a dictionary to figure out what is being requested. But, Jose, even when he tries to present something in common talk, he butchers it big time. I could probably understand legalese better than his version of common. ;)

[Amy]

I don't blame Strickland for anything he does in the privacy of his bathroom to deal with working with him. You watch: Strickland will say no, JAB will then insist that Strickland recuse himself, Strickland will say no...it's going to be a fiasco.

I am looking forward to seeing/reading the depositions JAB is taking. Can you imagine being deposed by him?

I can't imagine trying to make head or tails of his questions, if his approach is anything like his pc's or motions. Perhaps that is why it is taking his depo's so long, the people can't figure out what he's asking, so they have to go over the same thing 6 different ways from Sunday. It would be a hoot to have a look @ the transcripts. Probably even more of a hoot if it was on video so we could hear all the uhmms, er, no, ahh, what I mean is......

[Amy]

I know-prolly take at least 2 weeks of Maury-Who's your daddy and maybe still not know. In my opine i think she rather the Ant's did not know. Caylee was her meal ticket and with no daddy in the picture to take her for weekends and make child support payments-it just made Caylee much more dependant on the Ant's. Therefore securing Liar a spot in that house. And the Ant's very attached to Caylee. No outside interference-especially if there were ever any custody or money issues. Liar would not want herself exposed as a deadbeat Mom. She may have been able to pull the job issue over her parent's but certainly not a court. MOO

I see Caylee as a pawn in 2 ways. For Casey, as you say, a meal ticket. Didn't have to put out a cent or even much effort in support of Caylee. An occasional bag of groceries (paid for, I'm sure, on her mom's account, or money she stole from them) so just had to pay for HER pleasure, her clothes and make up. Heck, the A's even provided the vehicle and I am sure, when she needed gas, she just had to put her hand out. (But Dad/Mom, I need gas to get to work so I can support Caylee.)

The second was Cindy. A hold over Casey, a way to keep her (Cindy) in control of Casey. I am sure George and Cindy loved Caylee (good grief, who wouldn't, she was ADORABLE) but she was also a trophy of sorts to parade around the neighborhood. Whether Cindy ever knew who Caylee's daddy was, IMO, she did NOT want to share Caylee w/the daddy, w/his parents and other family. No, she wanted Caylee to be HERS, without any influence from other grandparents. Caylee would be able to tell the difference in the lives of those around her, and Cindy wouldn't want there to ever be a chance that Caylee would prefer her paternal side of the family over Cindy. Or for Caylee to LOVE anyone other than Cindy--well, I imagine she tolerated Caylee loving her mom, her grandpa and of course Grandma Shirley and Poppa.

[Amy]

I wonder how many books on psychology she has read in prison. I can see Baez' next motion for invasion of privacy when the State asks for a list of books she has borrowed from the jail library. Hey, if the Feds can see what I'm borrowing from the public library, what makes her books more private?

Well, you know those accused, even those convicted of crimes, no matter how serious, how heinous, have rights that are to be held to a higher standard than for a law abiding citizen. Maybe we have it all wrong. We should all go about breaking the law so WE can have rights!!!!!

[browneyes106]

I see Caylee as a pawn in 2 ways. For Casey, as you say, a meal ticket. Didn't have to put out a cent or even much effort in support of Caylee. An occasional bag of groceries (paid for, I'm sure, on her mom's account, or money she stole from them) so just had to pay for HER pleasure, her clothes and make up. Heck, the A's even provided the vehicle and I am sure, when she needed gas, she just had to put her hand out. (But Dad/Mom, I need gas to get to work so I can support Caylee.)

The second was Cindy. A hold over Casey, a way to keep her (Cindy) in control of Casey. I am sure George and Cindy loved Caylee (good grief, who wouldn't, she was ADORABLE) but she was also a trophy of sorts to parade around the neighborhood. Whether Cindy ever knew who Caylee's daddy was, IMO, she did NOT want to share Caylee w/the daddy, w/his parents and other family. No, she wanted Caylee to be HERS, without any influence from other grandparents. Caylee would be able to tell the difference in the lives of those around her, and Cindy wouldn't want there to ever be a chance that Caylee would prefer her paternal side of the family over Cindy. Or for Caylee to LOVE anyone other than Cindy--well, I imagine she tolerated Caylee loving her mom, her grandpa and of course Grandma Shirley and Poppa.

I agree Caylee was a trophy to the Ants. I mentioned the theory of Cindy wanting Caylee all to herself in one of my above posts. Many people on different forums have these theories. I also have a theory that Cindy somehow sabotaged Casey and Jesse's engagement. Jesse said on Dateline that Casey called off their engagement suddenly. I think Cindy had something to do with that. She probably didn't want Casey and Jesse to marry and Jesse to either adopt or raise Caylee as his own.

[Justice Denied?]

Unless Baez returns to the "articulate" state he was in during his previous child murder defense case, he's going to confuse the jury no matter WHAT language he has to use.

I can see the jury w/puzzled looks on their faces as Baez examines his witness and cross exams the prosecution witness. Hell, I can see looks of puzzlement on the faces of the WITNESSES as they struggle to figure out how to answer bumbling, unorganized questions!!!!

Then, they just have to sort out the evidence as provided by the state to figure out what went on. "Hey, Mr Foreman, we can't make a lick of sense out of the defense presentations, so we're going to concentrate on the understandable stuff from the state." BINGO!!!!! Buh Bye, Casey!!!

IMO, no matter the majority of the "culture" of wherever the trial may be held, there are few cultures whose members are "okay" in any way for a mother to kill her 2 1/2 year old child. They wouldn't even understand it if the child was of ANY age. I figure his best hope is a jury of 19 y/o's--all party type girls would possibly think--hey, I know it is hard to get grandma to watch the baby even 3 times a week so I can go party, and how expensive it would be to pay someone to watch her--especially if I don't really have a job. Yeah, I can see where she had no choice. Don't know if they would identify so much killing a baby to get back @ the grandma, tho. The one who paid for everything, who probably had the care of the baby except when she was @ work. OTOH--some of them might be in such a relationship w/their own mothers.

Well, the law does say "a jury of her peers". LOL

[friggie]

In the second link, in the last pic from Channel 6, it does look like the tie-died pink article is a drawstring bag.


That actually makes even more sense. Haven't you all seen the beach towels that come in the matching drawstring bags? That would account for the articles in the two pictures looking slightly different color and size because rather than being the same towel we see in the one picture, we are seeing the matching bag in the other photo. Just something to ponder on.

[JLette]

That actually makes even more sense. Haven't you all seen the beach towels that come in the matching drawstring bags? That would account for the articles in the two pictures looking slightly different color and size because rather than being the same towel we see in the one picture, we are seeing the matching bag in the other photo. Just something to ponder on.

yea i agree because personally i honestly thought they were one and the same item every time i looked, only now that i saw that picture of the person carrying what it obviously a bag of that pattern and color did i realize that there were two different things.

[Gatordog]

Wow, it looks like we're not the only ones who don't want the trial moved Gator, huh?

Questions: Maybe a stupid question; If they move the trial, do they move the liar to a jail near it? And doesn't it mean there will be a financial burden to the state and to the A's?And, doesn't that mean it will put the A's to task having to drive there every day? And while I'm asking questions, who is paying Joey B?
I have a feeling Jose and liar want the A's as far away from them as possible. They are planning to attack. IMO

It would cost a fortune to move to Miami. Miami hotels are expensive and having to pay for the prosecution team will cost a bundle. I would expect that the defense would pay its own way but it wouldn't surprise me if Bozo tried to write a motion for the state to pay even though his big mouth put them in that position. It would be improbable that the Ants would drive everyday - it's a minimum 4 hr trip each way depending on where the courthouse is located. Maybe even close to five hours due to morning rush hour traffic. The Ants would most likely have to stay at a hotel. Jose's logic for Miami was the airport. I guess he doesn't realize that Jacksonville, Tampa, W. Palm Beach, and Daytona all have major International Airports and the hotel cost would be about half as expensive as Miami.

[Gatordog]

As long as there's a Ritz, the A's will always have a home, Danagher!

Very good Java, but not paid by ABC unless they stay at a Motel 6. ;)

[Gatordog]

lol! I wondered if I might be immortalized in Attachment C! Guess they can't move the trial to Alameda County because I am here.

I could keep a secret. :beer:

[Gatordog]

Creepy as all get out, isn't it? I remember when Scott Peterson was staying with his sister up the street from me...the hairs on my neck raised.

It's like having someone walk on your grave when evil crosses your path...

See, now that's chilling.

[DrewBerry]

CA Absolutely used Caylee as a family mascot - pawn - trophy. And she had a brand new soul to control! Her OCD control issue was planted on the kid from birth. My problem mainly is, she was about to create another Casey. (But the angel escaped)
:rose:

Ahhhh, yes, Nawny. The little angel escaped. The guilt and shame Cindy must be feeling---KNOWING her own daughter committed this awful crime. The guilt George must feeling---KNOWING he didn't protect that child.
DrewB

[beachbum]

Just visiting today. I've been out of it. Diagnosed with non invasive BC a couple weeks ago. Had surgery last Friday but the tissue is still showing cells. That prob means more surgery. Its going to be a long summer for me.
I will try to get on here when I can...still watching Nancy Grace to keep up with the case. You all keep up the good work on here.

[DrewBerry]

Just visiting today. I've been out of it. Diagnosed with non invasive BC a couple weeks ago. Had surgery last Friday but the tissue is still showing cells. That prob means more surgery. Its going to be a long summer for me.
I will try to get on here when I can...still watching Nancy Grace to keep up with the case. You all keep up the good work on here.

Beach,
I am so sorry to hear about your illness. It is good you came on this board and shared with us. You know there are lots of good people here to help you get through the tough times. I send you healing thoughts and prayers.
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

He's a stoonodd! I can write a little memo to the A's and tell them not to bother going to trial because it will be on every TV from there to the UK. Unless of course they are to testify, in which case they will have to dip into their received donations and pay for the Ritz. Poppa and I ate at a place on the water in Miami. The drinks averaged 10 bucks each. Miami is expensive, you're right!

Nawny, you are on a roll tonight! Very funny, my dear! :) HA HA!
DrewB

[beachbum]

Thanks peeps I need all the thoughts and prayers I can get. I go tomorrow for more options. I will check in when I can. You all just keep me laughing. Thanks again.

[Justice Denied?]

http://i41.tinypic.com/105txc3.png

Would this qualify? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...

Suits me all to He--! 12 jurors and one alternate. Of course, you would probably get a not guilty or hung jury. LOL

[Justice Denied?]

CA Absolutely used Caylee as a family mascot - pawn - trophy. And she had a brand new soul to control! Her OCD control issue was planted on the kid from birth. My problem mainly is, she was about to create another Casey. (But the angel escaped)
:rose:

Which leads you to believe that maybe Casey actually did believe that Caylee was better off dead than being raised under Cindy's influence.

[DrewBerry]

Only speaking for myself here but I believe each and every one of the Ant's operated with their own agenda. One being sociopathic in a toxic enviroment-odd's are the outcome is not going to be good. For me-the finger family are just a bunch of nutbars in their own right who just happen to live under the same roof. MOO


Beem, I so agree with your post. What a bunch of crazies only concerned with their individual "agenda." The F'ng finger family! ha ha. I have lost all pity and respect for the Ants. Especially G & C. They keep digging themselves deeper, and deeper into that dark hole at dysfunction junction. Poor Caylee never had a chance. :rose:
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Nawny! I can't believe you said that! I was going to post earlier, but got sidetracked........
Where is Loretta?
Where is snoop?
Isn't today Wind's surgery?

Well, Good night to all you lovely ladies..........http://i44.tinypic.com/qyilnq.jpg

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Hi OS! I was wondering where everyone was tonight. Loretta? Snoop? Wind? Oh, well I guess I'm the last to say good night since I'm on the west coast. Still early here. See you all tomorrow.
DrewB

[browneyes106]

Just visiting today. I've been out of it. Diagnosed with non invasive BC a couple weeks ago. Had surgery last Friday but the tissue is still showing cells. That prob means more surgery. Its going to be a long summer for me.
I will try to get on here when I can...still watching Nancy Grace to keep up with the case. You all keep up the good work on here.

I'm sorry about your illness. I will keep you in my prayers.:rose:

[browneyes106]

No Way!! That SOB was hitting on the babysitter...meanwhile he could look out over the water with that smug bucky smile, knowing he put Laci and Conner in it! Must've got a thrill outta that, the SOB! Did the neighborhood know he was there? (I can't remember).

You didn't run into him and his orange hair did you?! Truly scary stuff him being so close! Revenge was sweet for his sister at least..she like Laci and his actions at her house sealed the deal for her! Imagine finding your 'long lost family' ~ only to find your half brother is a scumbag killer. I liked her book. she was 'straight up'!

I read that book a few times. I liked a lot Anne was straight up and she saw through Scott. I really feel for her she is a good person with blood ties to a bad family. I kind of think she is probably glad that Jackie gave her up for adoption. I lost my copy of Blood Brother last year when I was moving into my uncle's triplex. I will probably buy another one at some point.

[eatcupcakes]

Where's Loretta Lockhorn today? We need her take on liar's latest statement. "I'm going to dedicate my life to helping to find missing children." She outta love that one!

Hope all is well Loretta!


Goodnight all! Nawny is tired. :)

:seeya:

Yeah and until he was sent to prison OJ was searching every Golf Course in Fla looking for Nicoles killer. LOL They are all going to do something admirable until they are free then they go right back to their old ways.

[eatcupcakes]

I'm sorry about your illness. I will keep you in my prayers.:rose:

If it is non invasive you wil be fine. It should not be going any where. They do need clear margins so yes u will have to have more surgery. I had invasive ductal breast ca nine years ago. Lumpectomy and radiation was all it took because I had no lymp node invovlment. It was scary but it will pass and you will think back and wonder why was I so worried. Hope this ruff time passes quickly and you go on with your life. For you:rose:

[browneyes106]

It would cost a fortune to move to Miami. Miami hotels are expensive and having to pay for the prosecution team will cost a bundle. I would expect that the defense would pay its own way but it wouldn't surprise me if Bozo tried to write a motion for the state to pay even though his big mouth put them in that position. It would be improbable that the Ants would drive everyday - it's a minimum 4 hr trip each way depending on where the courthouse is located. Maybe even close to five hours due to morning rush hour traffic. The Ants would most likely have to stay at a hotel. Jose's logic for Miami was the airport. I guess he doesn't realize that Jacksonville, Tampa, W. Palm Beach, and Daytona all have major International Airports and the hotel cost would be about half as expensive as Miami.

He's a stoonodd! I can write a little memo to the A's and tell them not to bother going to trial because it will be on every TV from there to the UK. Unless of course they are to testify, in which case they will have to dip into their received donations and pay for the Ritz. Poppa and I ate at a place on the water in Miami. The drinks averaged 10 bucks each. Miami is expensive, you're right!

~~~~~~

H*ll Yeah! Add a couple of those portable stripper poles, and everyone can start doing their thing! http://i39.tinypic.com/2zj9mic.jpg
Bring your http://i40.tinypic.com/33a76yp.jpg It's a Party!

She's a very kinky girl.....
the kind you don't take home to Mother...
she will never let your spirits down
once you get her off the street...
Oh Girl..
She's a Super Freak, Super Freak ~ she's super freaky YOWWWWWWWWWW!
:tongue:

I visited Miami a few years back with my parents. The company my dad worked for gave him a bonus which was a 5 day vacation. We stayed at a Best Western and we paid off our hotel and the company paid the other half but it was still expensive. We went to a Miami Heat game and a Dolphins game and stuff was still really expensive. Baez is a moron for not mentioning or thinking about other cities in Florida. The Ants will probably dip into the Caylee foundation money to pay for their hotel. I also wouldn't be surprised if manly looking Cindy got a makeover before the trial.

I agree with others Baez wants the trial to be moved to Miami so he could get a jury of Casey's "peers". Miami is filled with a party girls but a lot of times party girls are college students or have jobs. They might not necessarily have sympathy for Casey. Many party girls will avoid being friends with people who have kids.

Casey did have friends that were in college. I think Casey had various groups of friends. She had friends who weren't attending college or anything but had jobs. I think these were the friends she partied with on the weekends. I think Troy, Amy, Ricardo and Annie were in this group. I think Casey had friends that were college students and she partied with these people during the week. There are a lot of college students that work weekends and take afternoon classes. They partied weeknights until 1 am and then go to class or work the next afternoon. Also Casey lied to a lot of her friends about being a Valencia student. She probably just wanted to fit in or impress people. Also in Tony's police interview he said that on Facebook that she was listed as a Valencia student. I do wonder if Casey somehow found a way to make to look like she was attending Valencia. Casey probably had her self listed that way just so she could party with some college kids during the week and I also think she was always hoping to land a wealthy guy attending college or somebody who had a good future ahead of him just so she could mooch off of him. Tony was attending to Full Sail U to studying recording arts and music business. Maybe Casey saw dollar signs in that.

[jas72]

His grammar is whack. I really don't consider it appropriate for a court doc. We shouldn't have to translate what he's saying in our heads to understand what he's actually saying. It's bad enough when he does that in the press. And chilling a barrage is mixing metaphors...unless maybe he plans on hosing down the incoming...

polite request...if you edit my posts, could you note it by *snipping*? I'm okay with snipping for relevance, but it's better if its noted...thanks :)

I'm relatively new to all this, so do you mean to actually type the word "snipping" somewhere in the post? I've seen some posters just put "......" before the quoted passage to indicate that the quoted text isn't the entire post being quoted. Heck, I thought I did fairly well in my "snipping" efforts as it was and not having the entire post show up when I really wanted to show my response to a portion of your post.
Anyway, I appreciate the lesson on quoting etiquette and your polite way of educating me.

[lorettalockhorn]

So here's a Miami Herald story on the change of venue:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/story/1032415.html


I just gotta throw out another mangled grammar statement from JAB: ''Moving this trial to a location far enough away from the local media will not end the coverage, but it will have a chilling effect on the barrage of media coverage that a local trial will bring,'' Baez stated.

I know I am a grammar jerk, but come on, Mr. High-Powered Lawyer, learn to diagram a sentence if it comes down to it, because you are not saying what you think you are saying!

That usage of chilling effect drove me batty (I kept thinking of it as meaning something like spine-tingling or eerie), but it's actually a legal term. *gasp* Bozo used a legal term!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:Chilling+effect+&ei=4-sCSo-nI9LEmQeT6IHtBA&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

My pea brain can't remember how long Hose lived in PR (wasn't he born there?), but I wonder if the reason that his speech patterns seem so odd is because of a Spanish speaking background; an idiomatic vs. syntactical structure.

Personally, I don't think it matters where the trial is held. The issue is going to be whether or not the court can find jurors who haven't formed an opinion. :shrug: But the thought of the defense adding so much expense and dislocating the witnesses is infuriating.

[lorettalockhorn]

No didn't confirm but if you look thru the pictures, I think that it is on page 2 of the thread, you can see it again and looks like it is actually a drawstring type bag. Looks like they put some of the other stuff in it to move the other stuff.

Looks like a bag to me too. Part of a set maybe?

[lorettalockhorn]

A few years ago I worked at a car auto repair shop and my coworker and I watched Maury almost daily in the lobby. I remember there was woman who had 10 men tested in three different shows and none were the father of her child. After the last tests were done Maury felt sorry for them and gave the woman and her son a trip to a Disneyland.

Good point if there was a dad in the picture The Ants wouldn't have supported Casey that much. The Ants might not have spent 2 grand on baby clothes or bought Caylee expensive toys. Based on a lot of the pics of the inside of the house it seemed like Caylee had a lot of expensive toys and even her room looked like it had been custom decorated. If there had been a dad involved and lets say he lived in the Orlando area he might have gotten more than weekends with Caylee. Also good point on custody hearings. Usually in a lot of custody hearings both parents turn in work records like pay stubs and tax stuff. I would how Casey would have explained having a job with no records.

There are theories on other online message boards that it is possible that Casey and the Ants knew who Caylee's father was but they kept her from them. I sort of think maybe Cindy became obessed with Caylee and she probably couldn't bear the thought of having to share Caylee with a man and his family. Or if there is truth of Jesus Ortiz being Caylee's dad maybe they didn't want Caylee around his family. Cindy's brother Rick insists in his emails and topix posts that Jesus can't be the father because Caylee has no Hispanic traits. I have seen many mixed Hispanic/White children that look white. Also many Hispanic/Latinos have light features. I still think it is possible that Jesus was Caylee's father.

I find it hard to believe that G&C would not hound Casey until they knew who Caylee's father was, especially Cindy. (And you would think that George would want to know who did this to Gorgeous!) Which makes me wonder if she told them that Jesus Ortiz was the father and then by some coincidence he ended up dead. No, not talking about any kind of conspiracy or anything, but what dumb luck that if he was the Baby Daddy, that he would end up out of their lives. Permanently.

Well, on second thought, maybe we need to take a second look at how JO died. Brake lines intact? (I mean no disrespect to the Ortiz family here.)

[Gatordog]

Whoa - Stop the presses. I just had an idea. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Instead of bringing the trial to Miami, the Judge can bring the jury to Orlando!

It would be a lot less expensive to pick the jury in Miami and have them stay in a hotel in downtown Orlando rather than move the Judge, the court reporters, bailiffs, lawyers, witnesses, attornies and the Liar to Miami. Plus the people in Central Florida have the right to attend the trial of someone within their community. Most likely, the jury would have to be sequestered in Miami anyway.

Gator

[JLette]

Whoa - Stop the presses. I just had an idea. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Instead of bringing the trial to Miami, the Judge can bring the jury to Orlando!

It would be a lot less expensive to pick the jury in Miami and have them stay in a hotel in downtown Orlando rather than move the Judge, the court reporters, bailiffs, lawyers, witnesses, attornies and the Liar to Miami. Plus the people in Central Florida have the right to attend the trial of someone within their community. Most likely, the jury would have to be sequestered in Miami anyway.

Gator


gator!!!! that is a great idea, and it seems so much more simple than moving EVERYONE to Miami!! i like it :beer:

[browneyes106]

CA Absolutely used Caylee as a family mascot - pawn - trophy. And she had a brand new soul to control! Her OCD control issue was planted on the kid from birth. My problem mainly is, she was about to create another Casey. (But the angel escaped)
:rose:

I dont doubt that C would interfere-C would want Caylee for herself. Another shot at raising a daughter-not that she would have done it in a healthy manner being a nutbar herself. I also think Liar may have realized-Oh gawd sex with the same man forever or forever long i stay-I'm outta here. Liar was realizing just how far her ta ta's and woohoo could take her. It's kinda interesting these Ant's-they are all very different in their self serving way. Yet they compliment and need each other to fulfill their sick needs. Interesting dynamic as sick as it is. MOO

Remember Caylee was the pinky. I honestly believe Cindy wouldn't have raised Caylee well. I think she would have overcompensated for Caylee all the time. Caylee even though she was angel was also very spoiled. The Ants spent $2000 on baby clothes for her and it seem like she have many very expensive toys. I have known people who raised their grandchildren or had a big part in raising them and the end result is never good.

My sister's boyfriend sort of fits that category. He and his four siblings were abandoned by their mother when he was a teenager. But even before the abandonment he and the siblings lived primiarly with his maternal grandparents. My sister's bf never knew his dad and the mom probably doesn't even know who it was. Three of his younger siblings have the same dad but their father walked out on them and never paid child support. The paternity of the youngest child is unknown. Anway my sister's bf and his siblings lived with the grandparents but the grandparents were pretty neglectful and never disciplined the children well or taught them the value of money.

My sis's bf was never spoiled material wise but his granparents basically allowed him and his siblings to do whatever they wanted. The grandmother is a gambling addict and often she just would fed the kids cannded spaghetti just so she could go to the Indian casinos to play bingo and gamble. The grandfather was never a good male role model. The funny thing he was a former military man but he never taught his grandchildren work ethic or discpline. One of my sis's bf's brothers spent time in a juvie facility for armed robbery. Three of his siblings never hold down jobs for long. One of his sisters works at an Indian casino but since she is Indian she pretty much gets away with going to work late or lying about stuff to avoid going to work. The other sister lives a few hours away but she has been in trouble with the law for various things. Here in New Mexico teens have to go through driver's ed and three stage license system in order to get a full license at the age of 16 and half. Driver's ed courses can range $300-500. The grandmother who constantly gambles never cared about getting the daughter into DE so when the girl turned 17 she got pregnant and Grandma threw her out. The sister went to live with her bf and one day she was driving and caused an accident. Because she had no form of driver's license or DE she got thrown in jail for two months. She was released before she had the baby. The grandma dodged responsibility for the granddaughter.

My sister's bf is not a good person at all. He has the attitude that the world owes him and he dogdes responsbility for himself. He always cries racism because he is a Navajo Indian. He and my sister have lived together for about 10 years and have a five year old son. He is constantly quitting jobs and he and my sister and their son live in a one bedroom apartment. He was never spoiled material wise but he has no sense of discpline or respect.

My paternal grandmother and one of my aunts is a sort of like Cindy Anthony. My dad's youngest brother got out of bad marriage 5 years ago. He has an 11 year old son from that union. His ex wife jets back and forth between the States and England because she has a boyfriend there and she has a child with him. For the past five years my grandma and my aunt who has never been married or had children have spoiled my cousin rotten. Every month they buy him expensive Nintendo Wii and DS games. My aunt pays for my cousin to have a cell phone. My uncle also doesn't know how discpline his son at all. My cousin has very hateful and spoiled attitude.

I hate to say it but Caylee could have ended growing up to be like some of the people I have mentioned. We will never know what kind of person Caylee would have been but there is a still big chance the end result wouldn't have been good.

Two things always made me wonder about people like them. People who put no equity in living a good life, becoming the best they can be, never bother to plan for the day when the money and the youth run out. What are they thinking? How many doors can those ta ta's open for pete's sake!?

I wonder the same things too. Eventually Casey's youth would have faded away. I have never thought that Casey is pretty or attractive. She jaw and mouth area are odd looking and so is her nose.But eventually her youth would have faded. I think most of her friends will eventually settled down and would have stopped partying at some point.

[Gatordog]

Our minds have all the information on things our eyes have seen. I didn't realize there was a river and a bridge over there Gator. God knows how many times you passed those pigs on the road aye? I wonder how much traffic this case has generated in your area. Pretty soon there will be a tour bus bringing people by Hopespring to see the boat. ;)

Funny you mention that...back in the fall a bus group from an assisted living facility asked where they wanted to go for their outing, and they picked the Ants' house. A bus with a group of senior citizens toured the street. :D

I guess they are lucky that Cindy didn't come running out of the house with her bat or hammer.

[Gatordog]

Just visiting today. I've been out of it. Diagnosed with non invasive BC a couple weeks ago. Had surgery last Friday but the tissue is still showing cells. That prob means more surgery. Its going to be a long summer for me.
I will try to get on here when I can...still watching Nancy Grace to keep up with the case. You all keep up the good work on here.

Hi Beach, Our thoughts and prayers are with you. You're going to be just fine. Just take it easy and check in every now and then.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Beachbum, I am sending prayers and good thoughts your way ~ we all are! You have to take care of yourself and No Stress, ok, we'll do that for you... (yes,yelling, screaming and cursing CMA out!) Stick around, it's good to laugh, ok...

Here's one for ya!..............http://i42.tinypic.com/htzdk4.jpg

:rose:

Holy @*@&, I had to take a good look at that one. Is that funny or what. I guess those are the only "motions" he knows how to get right. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs113.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/lol.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[lorettalockhorn]

Just visiting today. I've been out of it. Diagnosed with non invasive BC a couple weeks ago. Had surgery last Friday but the tissue is still showing cells. That prob means more surgery. Its going to be a long summer for me.
I will try to get on here when I can...still watching Nancy Grace to keep up with the case. You all keep up the good work on here.

Beachbum, great to see you. Take care, babe!

http://i33.tinypic.com/288b7z6.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=Justice Denied?;9188979]Which leads you to believe that maybe Casey actually did believe that Caylee was better off dead than being raised under Cindy's influence.[/QUOT

That would require Liar to have some semblance of a heart-we know she does not have one-at least one that feels emotion. Her's acts as a pump-a piece of machinery-nothing more nothing less. MOO

She's a clone of her mother.

You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.
You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Grinch.

You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Mr. Grinch.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Grinch.

I wouldn't touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

You're a vile one, Mr. Grinch.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Grinch.

Given the choice between the two of you
I'd take the seasick crockodile.

You're a foul one, Mr. Grinch.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your soul is full of gunk.
Mr. Grinch.

The three words that best describe you,
are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."

You're a rotter, Mr. Grinch.
You're the king of sinful sots.
Your heart's a dead tomato splot
With moldy purple spots,
Mr. Grinch.

Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Mr. Grinch.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You're a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Grinch.

You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich
With arsenic sauce.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nawny! I can't believe you said that! I was going to post earlier, but got sidetracked........
Where is Loretta?
Where is snoop?
Isn't today Wind's surgery?

Well, Good night to all you lovely ladies..........http://i44.tinypic.com/qyilnq.jpg

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

OS, I hope we hear from Wind soon and that she sailed through her procedure!

Got way behind on my reading, but not sure why. It's sure as heck not because I was out working in my waterlogged yard. Over 6.5" of rain so far this month. :eek: Washed away part of one of my azalea beds. (So much for my landscaping abilities!) :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

hey browneyes :seeya: I agree and would like to add that bozo is also looking for a jury of his own peer's. Moo

bingo!

[lorettalockhorn]

Whoa - Stop the presses. I just had an idea. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Instead of bringing the trial to Miami, the Judge can bring the jury to Orlando!

It would be a lot less expensive to pick the jury in Miami and have them stay in a hotel in downtown Orlando rather than move the Judge, the court reporters, bailiffs, lawyers, witnesses, attornies and the Liar to Miami. Plus the people in Central Florida have the right to attend the trial of someone within their community. Most likely, the jury would have to be sequestered in Miami anyway.

Gator

I've read of instances of that. The jury might resent being moved away from home, but if they would be sequestered anyway it doesn't seem like a new location would be that much more of a hassle.

[Mojo]

I don't know if these people are reacting normally. I certainly believe they have some suffering going on, especially George, but Cindy, I have a problem with her.

It appears that she is angry with the world instead of with herself or her daughter. I'm not sure she knows shame. She's ego driven, and her anger is for things like, public opinion, appearances, how it looks, and things like beauty, upper crust life style and the landscaping in front of their house. She's a bit of the snob. IMO anyway.

What is in their hearts seems as superficial as what's in the value of their living room drapes.

If you go back to the memorial, you'll see the horse and pony show and how that staged grief feast left the world disgusted.

I think grief is a private sort of torment, not a public one. Grief isn't something that needs a stage, or a camera fiasco. It is a long drawn out process, perhaps like a separate entity that reaches for understanding and acceptance. That entity has no mercy on your desperation for healing. It beats the hell out of us day after day until we let go and accept. The last thing we want to do is go on TV, or go fishing. We want to crawl under the covers and die. Grief is cold and lonely. Sometimes its selfish, but it's definitely not gregarious. It is more horrific than the worst imaginable sorrow. And it takes time to face the world again. Mostly, it is silent.

They seemed to try to convince the world via the media that they are worthy of something more than being the parents of a troubled daughter, and they tried to sell her to us during a service for a baby they seemed to want to give up in ransom for the cause. Not because they love Casey, but because they wanted to mend the farce they lived, but like Humpty Dumpty, they can't. "All the kings horses and all the king's men" can't put that mess back together again...

All My Opinion.


Truly excellent post:rose:

[Gatordog]

I've read of instances of that. The jury might resent being moved away from home, but if they would be sequestered anyway it doesn't seem like a new location would be that much more of a hassle.

The trial might actually run quicker since most of the witnesses would be readily available. Move it to Miami and it's hurry up and wait. I mean, can you actually see Baez being coordinated enough to have his witnesses on hand and available? He's going to be real slow in his cross examinations. He's going to ask the same question six different times hoping to get a different answer each time. Until the Judge stops him from asking, he'll spend a whole day on one witness with only three questions. He spent hours on the deposition of the jail guard only to say he needs to bring her back and ask more questions.

[Gatordog]

I'm surprised that Baez isn't jumping up and down like Koko the monkey. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-016.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

The Liar doesn't have bond because there is no bond for First degree murder.

Well, after 20 years, a 60ish teacher has been arrested and charged with First degree murder of her husband. Her adopted son finally told police that when he and he sister were kids, she made them drag the father's body to the garage to make it look like a break in and she took off with the kids for the day to Ocala as an alibi.

When she was arraigned, they said there would be no bond due to it being First Degree Murder. A few weeks later, the judge let her out because she wasn't a flight risk.

If Jose was a good attorney, he be in front of the Judge right now stating a precedence has been set for letting someone charged with FD Murder, out of jail, without any bond no less.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/news/18959723/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/19140805/detail.html

[Gatordog]

OMG, I read your post and started cracking up laughing..A bus full of senior citizens oogling the house! (there's your jury pool! Let 'em at her!) I have to ask my mama if she snuck on that bus........!

Now I understand the internet buzz about this pic http://i39.tinypic.com/zvpouo.jpg taken by the Anthony's pool ~ by a kindly white haired gentleman!

Still laughing over their choice as an outing....LOLOLOL

I personally think you should contact Strickland about your idea to bring the jury to Orlando..they can also go to Disney or Universal when they have time in between! Courtesy of the Anthony's, of course!:D

I'm sure they will go to Universal after all, they have to see the office where she didn't work and had her invisible phone stolen. And, where Melich's response to the Liar's statement that she wanted to look for Caylee at Universal, Melich said "Was Caylee supposed to have hailed a cab and gotten there by herself." http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-042.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Gatordog]

Okay, this is less than 20 minutes from the Ants house. Is George still waxing that stupid boat? What a waste of $30K. Maybe they have it in the backyard next to their pool and Cindy is using it to sun bathe.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19395482/detail.html

[eatcupcakes]

I just had mine done last month. I'd rather have a garage door slammed on my boobies. Jaysuz!

;)

Good for you. I know a lot women find them uncomfortable but they do save lives. I had one every year so they had something to compare it to when mine came back supiscious. It was found very early, and that is why I had a good outcome. Otherwise I might have been dead by now because it was invasive. Mamograms save lives. Early detection is the key to cure. And it is time for me to schedule mine. Thanks for reminding me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, this is less than 20 minutes from the Ants house. Is George still waxing that stupid boat? What a waste of $30K. Maybe they have it in the backyard next to their pool and Cindy is using it to sun bathe.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19395482/detail.html

Maybe he spent all his money on the Casey Anthony Pork Rind & Chador Fund and can't afford a license. :hat:

ETA: Good luck and hats off to the searchers.

[eatcupcakes]

I'm surprised that Baez isn't jumping up and down like Koko the monkey. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-016.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

The Liar doesn't have bond because there is no bond for First degree murder.

Well, after 20 years, a 60ish teacher has been arrested and charged with First degree murder of her husband. Her adopted son finally told police that when he and he sister were kids, she made them drag the father's body to the garage to make it look like a break in and she took off with the kids for the day to Ocala as an alibi.

When she was arraigned, they said there would be no bond due to it being First Degree Murder. A few weeks later, the judge let her out because she wasn't a flight risk.


If Jose was a good attorney, he be in front of the Judge right now stating a precedence has been set for letting someone charged with FD Murder, out of jail, without any bond no less.

Gator

http://www.wftv.com/news/18959723/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/19140805/detail.html

It so nice of you to help out Bozo with this tip. He now can go look the case up and use it to get CK out on bail. LOL. That is ofcourse if he reads this board. I think he will be asking for bail soon.

[lorettalockhorn]

Good for you. I know a lot women find them uncomfortable but they do save lives. I had one every year so they had something to compare it to when mine came back supiscious. It was found very early, and that is why I had a good outcome. Otherwise I might have been dead by now because it was invasive. Mamograms save lives. Early detection is the key to cure. And it is time for me to schedule mine. Thanks for reminding me.

Great news and glad you had a good aftermath.

[Justice Denied?]

[QUOTE=beemeup;9188986]

She's a clone of her mother.

You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.
You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Grinch.

You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.

You're a monster, Mr. Grinch.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Grinch.

I wouldn't touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

You're a vile one, Mr. Grinch.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Grinch.

Given the choice between the two of you
I'd take the seasick crockodile.

You're a foul one, Mr. Grinch.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your soul is full of gunk.
Mr. Grinch.

The three words that best describe you,
are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."

You're a rotter, Mr. Grinch.
You're the king of sinful sots.
Your heart's a dead tomato splot
With moldy purple spots,
Mr. Grinch.

Your soul is an apalling dump heap overflowing
with the most disgraceful assortment of deplorable
rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.

You nauseate me, Mr. Grinch.
With a nauseaus super-naus.
You're a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Grinch.

You're a three decker saurkraut and toadstool
sandwich
With arsenic sauce.


I love the idea of Cindy as the Grinch. Hadn't noticed the resemblance until someone posted that video last week. No question, she's cold. cruel and heartless. MOO, JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah i think the credit for the C/Grinch comp. goes to Loretta. Uncanny when she scrunches up her face with those brows-they could be twins. I think G has brought about a new meaning for the word drydock :)

I KNOW there's a dirty joke in there. :hat:

[Amy]

I agree Caylee was a trophy to the Ants. I mentioned the theory of Cindy wanting Caylee all to herself in one of my above posts. Many people on different forums have these theories. I also have a theory that Cindy somehow sabotaged Casey and Jesse's engagement. Jesse said on Dateline that Casey called off their engagement suddenly. I think Cindy had something to do with that. She probably didn't want Casey and Jesse to marry and Jesse to either adopt or raise Caylee as his own.

And, of what heritage is Jesse Grund? Hmmmm???? Perhaps, in addition to not wanting to share Caylee with others, there was also another issue? I am pretty sure the Grunds are Americans but IIRC, their skin tone was a bit darker than Cindy's. Correct me if I am wrong. And, w/Cindy trying to throw Jesse and Amy under the bus, does one think that also might be because of their heritage? "They" are expendable?

[Amy]

It would cost a fortune to move to Miami. Miami hotels are expensive and having to pay for the prosecution team will cost a bundle. I would expect that the defense would pay its own way but it wouldn't surprise me if Bozo tried to write a motion for the state to pay even though his big mouth put them in that position. It would be improbable that the Ants would drive everyday - it's a minimum 4 hr trip each way depending on where the courthouse is located. Maybe even close to five hours due to morning rush hour traffic. The Ants would most likely have to stay at a hotel. Jose's logic for Miami was the airport. I guess he doesn't realize that Jacksonville, Tampa, W. Palm Beach, and Daytona all have major International Airports and the hotel cost would be about half as expensive as Miami.

I was wondering, what does an airport have to do w/the trial. Then, :punch:people flying to and from the trial. Takes me a while to catch on to some things, lol.

Maybe the A's could garner some sympathy--there was a Marriot in CA who gave the Peterson's free lodging for a time. Until Mrs. P. made disparaging remarks about something--and the management realized the P's weren't grateful @ all @ the gesture. Pretty much they were like they expected someone to put them up, and treat them like royalty and provide for above and beyond free lodging.

Bet, it any hotel in Miami or anywhere else offered the same to the A's. the deal would be off a lot quicker than it took for the P's deal to be off.

[Amy]

http://i41.tinypic.com/105txc3.png

Would this qualify? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...

LOL!!!! Don't show this to Jose--he might go around looking for them, to get them in the selection group!!!

[Amy]

Just visiting today. I've been out of it. Diagnosed with non invasive BC a couple weeks ago. Had surgery last Friday but the tissue is still showing cells. That prob means more surgery. Its going to be a long summer for me.
I will try to get on here when I can...still watching Nancy Grace to keep up with the case. You all keep up the good work on here.

What a bummer!!! Sure hope things go good for you, and you are back to your old self, and able to spend MUCH time right here!!!! Prayers.

[Amy]

Suits me all to He--! 12 jurors and one alternate. Of course, you would probably get a not guilty or hung jury. LOL

Should I say it?????? Oh, heck, why not!!!! Looks like some of this jury is already hung!!!! :eek:

[Amy]

Beachbum, I am sending prayers and good thoughts your way ~ we all are! You have to take care of yourself and No Stress, ok, we'll do that for you... (yes,yelling, screaming and cursing CMA out!) Stick around, it's good to laugh, ok...

Here's one for ya!..............http://i42.tinypic.com/htzdk4.jpg

:rose:

Only in Jose's wildest dreams!!!! :biggrin:

[JLette]

And, of what heritage is Jesse Grund? Hmmmm???? Perhaps, in addition to not wanting to share Caylee with others, there was also another issue? I am pretty sure the Grunds are Americans but IIRC, their skin tone was a bit darker than Cindy's. Correct me if I am wrong. And, w/Cindy trying to throw Jesse and Amy under the bus, does one think that also might be because of their heritage? "They" are expendable?


it certainly seems that way doesn't it. yes the Grunds are slightly darker than cindy and her perfectly bred family, AND while Amy is blonde and white, her last name IS Huizenga!!!!

[Amy]

Whoa - Stop the presses. I just had an idea. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-think004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Instead of bringing the trial to Miami, the Judge can bring the jury to Orlando!

It would be a lot less expensive to pick the jury in Miami and have them stay in a hotel in downtown Orlando rather than move the Judge, the court reporters, bailiffs, lawyers, witnesses, attornies and the Liar to Miami. Plus the people in Central Florida have the right to attend the trial of someone within their community. Most likely, the jury would have to be sequestered in Miami anyway.

Gator

This should go in the Judge's suggestion box, for sure!!!!

[Amy]

I just had mine done last month. I'd rather have a garage door slammed on my boobies. Jaysuz!

;)

I think it must depend on the technician, and probably the machine. I really dreaded my first mammo--but it went quite well. The tech and I have worked together many years. She had great technique, the was a little pressure, but not the pain I was expecting hearing from others. OTOH, some co-workers have theirs done @ the women's clinic and ALWAYS complain about the pain.

[lorettalockhorn]

Should I say it?????? Oh, heck, why not!!!! Looks like some of this jury is already hung!!!! :eek:

Yep. Well hung. ;) :hat:

Look people. There's a dirty joke everywhere.

[Justice Denied?]

According to JVM, Drew Peterson just arrested for murder of 3rd wife, Cathleen Savio.

[One2Snoop]

According to JVM, Drew Peterson just arrested for murder of 3rd wife, Cathleen Savio.

It's about damn time! :cuss: Ok, going back on my break LOL...

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Drew-Peterson-in-Custody-of-State-Police-Kathleen-Savio.html

[browneyes106]

According to JVM, Drew Peterson just arrested for murder of 3rd wife, Cathleen Savio.

The beginning of end of Drew's freedom.

[lorettalockhorn]

The beginning of end of Drew's freedom.

*fingers crossed*

Holy sheep shat-bout time-thats the best darn news since Liar was nabbed :beer:

AMEN And before he kills again.

[DrewBerry]

Thanks Mo. I love this quote by ole Liz Kubler Ross. She is a legend for her work with grief. It speaks volumes to the profile of grief. It doesn't fit the Anthony's in any way. Sadly, they're not the average sad people. I've too often heard TH's and others say that people grieve differently. But I don't see grief, only hysterics and for the wrong reasons.

Quote Lizzy:

"The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen." Elizabeth Kubler Ross


Me too, Nawny. I love this quote and I love Liz and her extraoridinary contribution she has made with her work on loss and grief, etc. :rose:
DrewB

[Justice Denied?]

Woo-hoo! hee-hee! check this out!

http://www.wesh.com/news/19399204/detail.html

The JAB-meister isn't DP qualified, and he no longer seems to have anyone who is on his "team"!

What happened to Linda Kenny-Baden? Isn't she death qualified?

[DrewBerry]

ROTFL!!!! Hey you saw me testing avatars! LOL!!! I decided on this one, so the shuffle ended. :)

Yes I heard about the ultra sound for B exams but there is some controversy about it being risky because it exposes us to too much radiation, or what ever the hell...
Also very expensive and Ins providers don't' like it.

I've had the bad surgery on both and, I'd rather stick pens in my ears. The prelude to those surgeries was unreal. They do the press using a panel with a small opening, insert a long needle at the sight, wheel you down to surgery with the needle still in. There has to be a better way.

I'd like a test called phallic smashing. Nice visual there huh? They should start with the inventors of mammys. I just know they were men. :cuss:

Damn straight, Nawny!I'm with you---Let women invent the phallic smashing procedure. You know the mammy's were invented by men. A-holes!!:D
DrewB

[eatcupcakes]

Oh noooo! These people are desperate. They're going to get their faces on the logo for cow crap fertilizer. Or at least the Planter's Peanuts box. I cannot believe they are stupid enough to go back on the tube. Is their attorney still representing them or did he move to Delphi? If not, he'd better start packing! Talk about tainting the jury, they must really want liar injected!


Jeeeze!!!

If they cancelled Oprah for intregrity reasons, why didn't they cancel LKL as well? I must have missed something, did the Ants buy a boat? What Jerks, really mourning their grand daughter. Regarding ugly grieving or whatever Bozo is calling it, why would KC be grieving at that time when she did not know her daughter was dead, so she says. The kids was only missing at that time. I don't think this defense is gonna fly. You don't grieve for someone you don't know is dead. The girl, can't remember her name, whose case they are referring to knew her husband was dead when she was bar hopping.
,

[Amy]

Woo-hoo! hee-hee! check this out!

http://www.wesh.com/news/19399204/detail.html

The JAB-meister isn't DP qualified, and he no longer seems to have anyone who is on his "team"!

Not a very well written article, as it does not address any other attorneys on the case. I sure tho't the LKB was DP qualified?

[DrewBerry]

ROTFLMAO!!! We got you to swear DrewB!!!!! :tongue: Too funny!

Hey Nawny. . . don't get me started!! :beer: I've got a few choice ones for that scum bag Drew Peterson on the Stacy Peterson thread! Doing my happy dance now!!:seeya:
DrewB

[eatcupcakes]

Hey Nawny. . . don't get me started!! :beer: I've got a few choice ones for that scum bag Drew Peterson on the Stacy Peterson thread! Doing my happy dance now!!:seeya:
DrewB

I am with you Berry, I have been doing that dance since I heard the news last night. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, the evil cocky SOB.

[DrewBerry]

Now if someone would just put Joran in the pokey, imo...

Just makes you think of how many cases get no publicity and how many families will never get justice.

Yeah, Java. Maybe there will be a "dominoe effect" and they'll all start falling!!
ITA, think of the millions of families that don't get this kind of attention and never get justice for their loved ones. :rose:
DrewB

[joekuhl79]

Wow...I've been so busy I haven't even been able to keep up on this...but I came across an interesting NG clip...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkrK30R_mMM&feature=related

[lorettalockhorn]

Not a very well written article, as it does not address any other attorneys on the case. I sure tho't the LKB was DP qualified?

Thought the Lenamon guy was DP qualified? Isn't he back on the case?

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow...I've been so busy I haven't even been able to keep up on this...but I came across an interesting NG clip...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkrK30R_mMM&feature=related

MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[Amy]

Thought the Lenamon guy was DP qualified? Isn't he back on the case?

He only wrote that first motion about why the DP should not be on the table in the first place. Occasionally I had read (usually a post, not necessarily a news article) that he was 1) still on the case or, 2) came back on the case--I think I heard this one after the DP went back on. But, I don't remember anything official about his being back on. I had read something official--from Lenamon--that he was only there to do the motion, then was off.

I guess it would be helpful if we had an up-to-date roster of who's on her case, and in what capapcity. It would be interesting to have a listing of all who HAVE been on her case, in what capacity and when they left. Why they left would be good, too, lol. But, I am sure Jose would say this is some violition of some right Caylee and all other murderers have.

[lorettalockhorn]

Found this:

Casey Anthony and her high-powered dream team
January 14, 8:32 PM

Casey Anthony, 22, who has been charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee, has amassed a powerful legal "dream team" for her upcoming trial.

On Wednesday, it was announced that Dr. Scott Fairgrieve will be assisting the Anthony defense crew. Fairgrieve is a forensic anthropologist with the Northeastern Regional Forensic Pathology Unit in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. He has been involved in a number of high-profile murder cases.

Fairgrieve is just one of a number of powerful attorneys and forensic experts Anthony will have at her disposal.

Jose Baez has been Anthony's lead attorney and has a reputation of being a tough adversary. During his time in the Miami-Dade County Public Defender's office as an intern paired with other attorney's, he won 32 out of 34 jury trials. He also taught law students, lawyers, and judges about using the Internet as a valuable investigation tool when he worked for Lexis-Nexis.

Linda Kenney-Baden, wife of famed forensic pathologist, Michael Baden, has joined the Anthony legal team. Her specialty is forensic evidence, a field she has worked in for over two decades. Kenney-Baden was Phil Spector's attorney during his 2007 murder trial, in which a mistrial was declared due to a hung jury.

Dr. Henry Chang-Yu Lee has also been retained by Anthony's defense. Lee has been involved in several high-profile criminal cases, including the 1995 O.J. Simpson murder trial. Lee has over 40 years of forensic experience and is the Chief Emeritus for Scientific Services for the State of Connecticut.

Dr. Temperance 'Bones' Brennan, the lead female character in the FOX television show "Bones," was modeled on Dr. Kathy Reichs, who has also been recruited by Baez. She is a forensic anthropologist and author who has taught FBI agents how to detect and properly recover human remains.

A frequent guest on Nancy Grace's show, Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky will assist the defense as well. His expertise is in DNA and he is an Associate Provost of the Interdisciplinary Forensics Science Department at John Jay College. Kobilinsky has also authored several books and serves as a television consultant.

Terence Lenamon is a Miami criminal defense attorney who has been involved in several high profile cases. He recently joined the Anthony team and is experienced in death penalty cases.

Jose Luis Garcia has also recently jumped on board this high-powered team, with experience in criminal and family law.

One of the most experienced forensic pathologists around, Dr. Werner Spitz is another powerful player. He is a professor of pathology at Wayne State University School of Medicine and testified in the wrongful death suit against O.J. Simpson in 1997.

This group of experts is highly education, extremely experienced, and very successful in their respective fields.

Casey Anthony had been unemployed when arrested and had been borrowing money and writing bad checks for survival, so it is not likely she is paying for this multi-million dollar crew. Her family has also indicated they have no money and could not afford such a legal defense.

Anthony is guaranteed a fair trial under the law, however, one can only wonder whether this experienced and knowledgeable group of individuals is interested in justice or their main goal in defending Anthony is publicity. Those who believe Casey Anthony is guilty would likely choose the latter.


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d14-Casey-Anthony-and-her-highpowered-dream-team

[lorettalockhorn]

Lenamon biography:

http://www.swartzlenamon.com/attorneys_tlenamon.php

[JLette]

He only wrote that first motion about why the DP should not be on the table in the first place. Occasionally I had read (usually a post, not necessarily a news article) that he was 1) still on the case or, 2) came back on the case--I think I heard this one after the DP went back on. But, I don't remember anything official about his being back on. I had read something official--from Lenamon--that he was only there to do the motion, then was off.

I guess it would be helpful if we had an up-to-date roster of who's on her case, and in what capapcity. It would be interesting to have a listing of all who HAVE been on her case, in what capacity and when they left. Why they left would be good, too, lol. But, I am sure Jose would say this is some violition of some right Caylee and all other murderers have.

yea even tho Mr. Baez has no problem violating the right to privacy for countless people involved in this case by demanding all phone records be turned over to the defense, HA

[Amy]

Found this:

Casey Anthony and her high-powered dream team
January 14, 8:32 PM

Casey Anthony, 22, who has been charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee, has amassed a powerful legal "dream team" for her upcoming trial.

On Wednesday, it was announced that Dr. Scott Fairgrieve will be assisting the Anthony defense crew. Fairgrieve is a forensic anthropologist with the Northeastern Regional Forensic Pathology Unit in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. He has been involved in a number of high-profile murder cases.

Fairgrieve is just one of a number of powerful attorneys and forensic experts Anthony will have at her disposal.

Jose Baez has been Anthony's lead attorney and has a reputation of being a tough adversary. During his time in the Miami-Dade County Public Defender's office as an intern paired with other attorney's, he won 32 out of 34 jury trials. He also taught law students, lawyers, and judges about using the Internet as a valuable investigation tool when he worked for Lexis-Nexis.

Linda Kenney-Baden, wife of famed forensic pathologist, Michael Baden, has joined the Anthony legal team. Her specialty is forensic evidence, a field she has worked in for over two decades. Kenney-Baden was Phil Spector's attorney during his 2007 murder trial, in which a mistrial was declared due to a hung jury.

Dr. Henry Chang-Yu Lee has also been retained by Anthony's defense. Lee has been involved in several high-profile criminal cases, including the 1995 O.J. Simpson murder trial. Lee has over 40 years of forensic experience and is the Chief Emeritus for Scientific Services for the State of Connecticut.

Dr. Temperance 'Bones' Brennan, the lead female character in the FOX television show "Bones," was modeled on Dr. Kathy Reichs, who has also been recruited by Baez. She is a forensic anthropologist and author who has taught FBI agents how to detect and properly recover human remains.

A frequent guest on Nancy Grace's show, Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky will assist the defense as well. His expertise is in DNA and he is an Associate Provost of the Interdisciplinary Forensics Science Department at John Jay College. Kobilinsky has also authored several books and serves as a television consultant.

Terence Lenamon is a Miami criminal defense attorney who has been involved in several high profile cases. He recently joined the Anthony team and is experienced in death penalty cases.

Jose Luis Garcia has also recently jumped on board this high-powered team, with experience in criminal and family law.

One of the most experienced forensic pathologists around, Dr. Werner Spitz is another powerful player. He is a professor of pathology at Wayne State University School of Medicine and testified in the wrongful death suit against O.J. Simpson in 1997.

This group of experts is highly education, extremely experienced, and very successful in their respective fields.

Casey Anthony had been unemployed when arrested and had been borrowing money and writing bad checks for survival, so it is not likely she is paying for this multi-million dollar crew. Her family has also indicated they have no money and could not afford such a legal defense.

Anthony is guaranteed a fair trial under the law, however, one can only wonder whether this experienced and knowledgeable group of individuals is interested in justice or their main goal in defending Anthony is publicity. Those who believe Casey Anthony is guilty would likely choose the latter.


http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d14-Casey-Anthony-and-her-highpowered-dream-team

Thanks for the roster!!! I know there was someone who was "added" just lasts month or so? And, I'm pretty sure Lenamon has distanced himself from this case since then, he only authored the motion to not consider the DP.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the roster!!! I know there was someone who was "added" just lasts month or so? And, I'm pretty sure Lenamon has distanced himself from this case since then, he only authored the motion to not consider the DP.

The attorney from Cali (whose name escapes me) was recently approved. He was the one under fire for mishandling client funds. I really did think Lenamon was back. :shrug: I've forgotten more than I remember! He should update his website, he lists Casey as a client and pats himself on the back for successfully arguing against the implementation of the death penalty. Oops.

http://i39.tinypic.com/5pq77r.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry to answer one post twice, but in the motion it says the state was told by Baez there was no more Lenamon.

Not a problem! Sometimes you have to hit me over the head with it!

Baez To Bring Aboard Capital-Qualified Attorney
New Member Of Anthony's Defense Team To Be Announced

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A battle is forming in the case against Casey Anthony surrounding the state's motion to find out who will defend her.

Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's primary attorney, does not have anyone qualified on his team to try a capital case, but newly filed court papers say he will soon. But an Orlando defense attorney said Casey Anthony's defense has already suffered because of this issue.

In a new filing, Baez is trying to minimize prosecutor's concerns that right now he has no death penalty certified defense lawyer on his team.

Baez writes that the defense has been in constant contact with the prosecution, and he has never been asked about this issue by any of them.

According to Baez, he'll be announcing a new death qualified attorney at a hearing later this month.

According to defense lawyer Richard Hornsby, during recent depositions of key witnesses in the case, Baez had no death qualified attorney asking the questions and that is a mistake.

"If you don't have a death penalty certified attorney conducting those depositions it usually affects the quality of those depositions and under Florida law you can't do a second deposition of a witness," Hornsby said.

Baez is asking the judge to strike the state's motion for a hearing on the issue.

Judge Stan Strickland has not yet issued a ruling or hearing date.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19408974/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

OMG!! That is the most incredible thing I've ever read! I had to read it twice!!! This is insane Jav! These people are exploiting a murdered child! Did they not hear Dr G? Homicide, not missing! How dare they associate their foundation with Adam Walsh! :cuss:Those *&^%@!! freaks! That was sickening! They want money, is all. Imagine, how are they going to offer help to people with missing children? :rolleyes:How are they going to help teach others how to deal with media? How are they going to offer help on how to protect children.

I'm going to puke! :cuss::(:eek:


PS: "Non profit pending" Won't happen! If it does, they'll screw it up..

I'll hold your hair if you'll hold mine. :rolleyes:

[browneyes106]

Yes that bad bad george and his messed up genetics :D I always found it interesting from day1-no friends or family support-very telling. We have all come across folks that just raise a red flag and ya just know they are people ya wanna stay away from. Gawd not to even have any family member's show up with a casserole???? MOO

I agree the people that support the Ants have questionable backgrounds and motives. Something seems off with Holly Gagne and also Kalani Bowles seems to be an attention ***** who just wanted to just his face in papers and on tv. I think George and Cindy's families are pretty much done with them. George's relatives in Ohio will keep their distance. Also according to Hopespring neighbor Bailey Pickens Cindy is the queen ***** of the neighborhood. Several other neighbors have said that Cindy was never friendly to them. I don't think Cindy was friendly relationships with her coworkers. George bounced around jobs. I honestly think Mallory Parker and her mom are just sticking around because of Mallory's relationship with Lee.

[Gatordog]

And, of what heritage is Jesse Grund? Hmmmm???? Perhaps, in addition to not wanting to share Caylee with others, there was also another issue? I am pretty sure the Grunds are Americans but IIRC, their skin tone was a bit darker than Cindy's. Correct me if I am wrong. And, w/Cindy trying to throw Jesse and Amy under the bus, does one think that also might be because of their heritage? "They" are expendable?

I could be wrong, but I think I remember something about Richard Grund being from an Italian background.

[lorettalockhorn]

In the hope of bringing more joy to Danagher:

http://www.extremesearchandrescue.com/picturegallery.html

My favorite is the SS Caylee Marie and...Boba Fett?!

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[browneyes106]

OMG!! That is the most incredible thing I've ever read! I had to read it twice!!! This is insane Jav! These people are exploiting a murdered child! Did they not hear Dr G? Homicide, not missing! How dare they associate their foundation with Adam Walsh! :cuss:Those *&^%@!! freaks! That was sickening! They want money, is all. Imagine, how are they going to offer help to people with missing children? :rolleyes:How are they going to help teach others how to deal with media? How are they going to offer help on how to protect children.

I'm going to puke! :cuss::(:eek:


PS: "Non profit pending" Won't happen! If it does, they'll screw it up..

If anybody gets bored, this is interesting to poke around on.

http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.biz/cayleemarieanthonyfoundation/index.html

Not just because of the rampant misspellings but fun stuff, like George accidentally left his personal e-mail posted on one page...and I wonder if the "Caylee Bears" they are talking about will have shamrocks on them? And, all the info on missing kids...Caylee was never really missing. And, to contact them? Yep, CMA@-------.net

It is really disgusting that Ants continuing to associate themselves with missing children and John Walsh. We all know that Caylee was never missing to begin with. The Caylee bear program also disgusts me I'm sure many cops and firefighters wouldn't not want to have stuffed animals from a organization that protects a child murderer. I have a friends that are cops, firefighters and EMT's. Different organizations sometimes provide them with stuffed animals. One of my friend who is a cop never used to carry stuffed animals in patrol car until after seeing a few bad incidents of child abuse and neglect. He told me one night when we were taking on the phone and he told me that he planning to buy some teddy bears. The next day I was in Target and I saw some and I bought 5 of them. I took them over and my friend was really happy that I bought some for him. He occasionally buys teddy bears on his own when his car supply is going down but he has received a few donations from friends and family. I doubt my friend would like accepting teddy bears from people like the Anthonys.

[samanthajane13]

What else can these psychos possibly do to obfuscate this trial???

[lorettalockhorn]

Who is the treasurer? If they mess with that money they are jail bound. I'm still thinking the donations are paying the cost of their overhead at the house they live in. After all they don't work. When they mess with that money, they're going to get the book thrown at them twice.

Those jerks are a burden to us whether they live at home or they go to jail. I can think of a hundred things I'd rather do with my money. I worked hard all of my life and I don't want to support those creeps.

Looks like Jody Parker (Mallory's mommy) is the treasurer. Wasn't there an issue with disbursement of funds to Lee in another Anthony scam, er uh non-profit?

...Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, GEORGE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, LEE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
PARKER, MALLORY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839
Title TD
PARKER, JODY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839
Title D
BLACK, BRENDA
1202 CARLSON DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32804
...

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[Native Alien]

Speaking of Milstead...this guy isn't related to him is he?: http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Questions-surround-poisoning-at-Sonnys/jdHz_NnQU02uV0L-EGhXMA.cspx

Who looks at an odd substance on their plate and goes, gee, I better taste that and see if its poison or not?!

Is there anything that these folks and their friends won't do to get attention? Geeze, I have seen 5 year olds act with more class and maturity.

[deacon]

That part bothered me so much!! John Walsh is a giant of a man and he paid his dues for years! He didn't' jump off his son's coffin and run out there waving flags. It took him years to process his son's death before he was able to help others. And he got off his ass and worked like ten men to achieve anything for the greater good and he did. He fought congress, he traveled all over the map and gave his heart, his time, his energy. He wasn't out there collecting money for a boat he spent more time shining up on his front lawn than using to find missing children. Walsh is devoted to children. I read his book and saw him weep genuine tears for the sorrow other people were dealing with. Same with Klass. These people cry! They care! I remember when they wanted to take him off the air because he was calling the killers of children bad names. He laughed at them and said, People who kill children are scum. They are garbage in human clothing, and they are creeps. He is right!
Mark Klass also gave his daughter the respect of grieving her for years before he was able to stand up and fight for children. These kooks haven't even given Caylee a decent burial and they are acting like they know how to help others deal with missing children. Hello Ants, Caylee isn't missing anymore!! She's not your daughter either! She's TOT MOM'S daughter and liar put her where she is. Are you TOT MOM? Is anybody home? You need to hide now. Sweep around your own back door, not anyone else's.

The only thing the A's used a Teddy Bear for is an ashtray. Cute.

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Have fun in heaven watching this Caylee. No one can hurt you now. :rose:

Boy, that was a mouthful and all true. Mr. Walsh is a man among men that will do what ever he has to to put scum behind bars. He calls em like he sees em and that is one of the reason's I respect him so much. People who grieve IMO do not put themselves in the lime light. They, at least most of them, do this in private at least for a time. If they want time in the lime light during the time of grief then "it is all about them" and not the person they grieve. Sadly enough, I am afraid we have a very large number of people like that now. When my mother died (dementia) my wife learned how I temd to process grief. I want to be by myself. No one around, even the love of my life. I have to process it alone. It took weeks for me to process my mother's passing and she wasn't murdered. If a family member were to be murdered, well, I can't say how I would act, but I know my temper and it would not be defending the person who had killed them.

I hope God keeps this from Caylee's eyes. MOO.
I need more cawfee.

[deacon]

to all you Mothers out there!

[deacon]

I'm with you there. I talked about this with my bff, and we were on the same page: anyone, including a family member, killed one of the children in the family, we would do anything necessary to get justice. She said specifically, her brother did anything to her nephew, she would even support the DP. She'd still visit him in prison, but he would have it coming.

I honestly do not know how more parents don't go after their children's killers in the courtroom. I really don't. I know I would make the attempt. I know I would fail because the deputies would stop me, but I think it would be my responsibility to try, you know? Not that I blame them for not doing it, I've never been there...

My problem is that I would be a little more sneaky than to try anything in a court room. IF they got off or were out on bail....... Oh, well, open season. I know me, I would let my temper get the best of me. The part of me that is Irish would jump put and it wouldn't be pretty.

[deacon]

Thank you! I'll go change another diaper now...:D


Been there and done that. I did as many as my wife did. I had a son and had to duck a bit too.:eek:

[deacon]

Thanks Deacon-extend wishes for a great mother's day to your other half.

I will. She is helping her brother at his florist shop today. He whole family is going to be over here tomorrow for Mother's Day. So, I am reading between working. Let's see, yard cleaned, grass cut, vacuming and dusting done, I only have one more bathroom to do and I can watch TV for a while.

[Justice Denied?]

Okay, here's the cma foundation mission statement:

The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will prevent child abduction through the creation of awareness of child safety measures and the missing child epedemic; will provide support to families and law enforcement during child recovery efforts; and will assist in the well-being of children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressfull times.

Since apparently Cindy does the website...a NURSE can't spell EPIDEMIC????

And on this page: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.biz/cayleemarieanthonyfoundation/id9.html
Kidfinders and Extreme search and rescue are both listed as separate resources. BUT! The phone numbers are the same, but one is given as numbers, and the other is words, ie ONE-LOST. But they are the same number, since of course, they are the same exact people. How many non-profits can people have at one time?!

Notice there is not one word about helping to FIND lost or missing children.
"Assist in the well-being of children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times". Over my dead body! Touch my child and pull back a bloody nub!

[browneyes106]

That part bothered me so much!! John Walsh is a giant of a man and he paid his dues for years! He didn't' jump off his son's coffin and run out there waving flags. It took him years to process his son's death before he was able to help others. And he got off his ass and worked like ten men to achieve anything for the greater good and he did. He fought congress, he traveled all over the map and gave his heart, his time, his energy. He wasn't out there collecting money for a boat he spent more time shining up on his front lawn than using to find missing children. Walsh is devoted to children. I read his book and saw him weep genuine tears for the sorrow other people were dealing with. Same with Klass. These people cry! They care! I remember when they wanted to take him off the air because he was calling the killers of children bad names. He laughed at them and said, People who kill children are scum. They are garbage in human clothing, and they are creeps. He is right!

Mark Klass also gave his daughter the respect of grieving her for years before he was able to stand up and fight for children. These kooks haven't even given Caylee a decent burial and they are acting like they know how to help others deal with missing children. Hello Ants, Caylee isn't missing anymore!! She's not your daughter either! She's TOT MOM'S daughter and liar put her where she is. Are you TOT MOM? Is anybody home? You need to hide now. Sweep around your own back door, not anyone else's.

The only thing the A's used a Teddy Bear for is an ashtray. Cute.

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IMO


Have fun in heaven watching this Caylee. No one can hurt you now. :rose:

Boy, that was a mouthful and all true. Mr. Walsh is a man among men that will do what ever he has to to put scum behind bars. He calls em like he sees em and that is one of the reason's I respect him so much. People who grieve IMO do not put themselves in the lime light. They, at least most of them, do this in private at least for a time. If they want time in the lime light during the time of grief then "it is all about them" and not the person they grieve. Sadly enough, I am afraid we have a very large number of people like that now. When my mother died (dementia) my wife learned how I temd to process grief. I want to be by myself. No one around, even the love of my life. I have to process it alone. It took weeks for me to process my mother's passing and she wasn't murdered. If a family member were to be murdered, well, I can't say how I would act, but I know my temper and it would not be defending the person who had killed them.

I hope God keeps this from Caylee's eyes. MOO.
I need more cawfee.

I have always respected John Walsh. I really got to know about Mark Klaass after the Danielle Van Dame murder. Both are very respectable people. As some of you may have checked out the link in my sig. Colleen Nick also fits in that category. Her foundation in honor of her missing daughter Morgan is very respectable and Colleen travels often around the country to speak at various organizations. She also appeared on the E channel specials THS Investigates Kidnapping. I bet the Ants probably checked out all the missing children's foundations and stole ideas from them. I have a theory that since Casey was checking out missing children back in March '08 she probably came across a few foundation websites and that's why she's saying she wants work to help find missing children. The Ants will never be like Mark, John or Colleen. The Caylee Marie foundation will fail. I hope the boat gets taken away and given to Texas Equusearch.

[browneyes106]

Okay, here's the cma foundation mission statement:

The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation will prevent child abduction through the creation of awareness of child safety measures and the missing child epedemic; will provide support to families and law enforcement during child recovery efforts; and will assist in the well-being of children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressfull times.

Since apparently Cindy does the website...a NURSE can't spell EPIDEMIC????

And on this page: http://cayleemarieanthonyfoundation.biz/cayleemarieanthonyfoundation/id9.html
Kidfinders and Extreme search and rescue are both listed as separate resources. BUT! The phone numbers are the same, but one is given as numbers, and the other is words, ie ONE-LOST. But they are the same number, since of course, they are the same exact people. How many non-profits can people have at one time?!

Maybe Cindy didn't pay too much attention in nursing school. The Ant's website is laughable. I feel sorry for the tool that is singing that song that starts playing when you enter the site

[lorettalockhorn]

Speaking of Milstead...this guy isn't related to him is he?: http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Questions-surround-poisoning-at-Sonnys/jdHz_NnQU02uV0L-EGhXMA.cspx

Who looks at an odd substance on their plate and goes, gee, I better taste that and see if its poison or not?!

HAH! He probably dosed himself.

Found an old corporation (now dissolved) at sunbiz that lists Dennis and David A. Milstead:

...Registered Agent Name & Address
MILSTEAD, DENNIS
2209 E ROAD
LOXAHATCHEE FL 33470
Name Changed: 06/11/1986
Address Changed: 06/11/1986
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title PD
MILSTEAD, WILLIAM D.
14218 24TH COURT NORTH
LOXAHATCHEE FL
Title STD
MILSTEAD, LUCILLE
14218 24TH COURT NORTH
LOXAHATCHEE FL
Title D
MILSTEAD, DAVID A.
2207 E ROAD
LOXAHATCHEE FL
...

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[JLette]

My problem is that I would be a little more sneaky than to try anything in a court room. IF they got off or were out on bail....... Oh, well, open season. I know me, I would let my temper get the best of me. The part of me that is Irish would jump put and it wouldn't be pretty.

that makes me think of that movie with Sally Field based on a true story called an Eye for an Eye.......if someone were to bring harm to my child in any way i don't know as they would live to see trial at all

[lorettalockhorn]

And who is D+A investigations?

D & A Investigations
2735 W. State Rd. 434
Longwood, FL. 32779
407-865-7152
www.dgator.com

Notice its dgator.com, just like that Cindy e-mail...she's not a PI now, is she? The reverse phone look-up says its Dominic Casey's number. So I guess they're still tight.

Wonder if Dominic has a son; found another Dominic Anthony Casey, age 37 in Florida at veromi.com. The sunbiz site has ten businesses registered to a Dominic A. Casey. He probably shuffles money from one business to another. Suppose the D&A could stand for Dominic & Associates. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

that makes me think of that movie with Sally Field based on a true story called an Eye for an Eye.......if someone were to bring harm to my child in any way i don't know as they would live to see trial at all

Omigosh Sally Field is always ferocious in every role. Why can't Cindy emulate her even a little?!?!

[eatcupcakes]

Cupcakes-i forgot to add that the Ant's stated they cancelled due to integrity-we all know different-I believe Oprah cancelled as she was to have the exclusive. The Ant's went on the today show so O no longer had first dibs thus the cancellation. We got the Ant's version-they all lie :( MOO Hmmm integrity-I wonder if they had to look up the meaning of the word :shrug:

Beem I was just being sarcastic, I am pretty sure Oprah cancelled them. They don't know the meaning of Honesty, either.

[Gatordog]

Look on the bright side, we don't live in Florida: when JAB declares Casey indigent, Gator will be the one paying for her defense!

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Woostock]

Gatordog
I am just catching up on some posts and read yours about holding the trial in Miami. You are right about speaking español there! When school gets out we are heading to Miami to visit relatives. While there I eat in the Spanish restaurants and buy Spanish books, and Spanish CDs.that I can't find in Boston and get to speak Spanish. (None of the relatives speak Spanish, they live there bec. husband and sons are all pilots out of Miami International Airport)Certainly the majority of people there speak Spanish. Of course that is what José is counting on. They would need translators that's for sure.

[Justice Denied?]

Nice catch! And did you see the "Extreme" photo page? Not one photo of people actually searching, or even a staged shot of people searching. If you donate, are you paying for rental of a Boba Fett costume?

I really don't know but I'll tell you one thing: I don't believe very many people will donate, certainly not enough to pay the exorbitant salaries of the "officers" of the foundation. HA!

[Amy]

Speaking of Milstead...this guy isn't related to him is he?: http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Questions-surround-poisoning-at-Sonnys/jdHz_NnQU02uV0L-EGhXMA.cspx

Who looks at an odd substance on their plate and goes, gee, I better taste that and see if its poison or not?!

Don't know if he's related, but seems he doesn't want to work for an honest living, either.

[Woostock]

Dan
I don't think the result would be any different if the trial were held in Miami. The evidence will be the same no matter where the trial is. Certainly the expense of traveling or staying in Miami would be a consideration.
Happy Mothers Day to all mothers!

[JLette]

It's true that he would like that, but they could hold the whole trial in mime form and she'd still be convicted. A deaf and dumb jury would hang her, actually. What part of, Caylee's blanket was found with her remains, DNA in the trunk, sticky heart found on duct tape, no report of missing Caylee for 31 days, no Zani, took police on goose chase, beautiful life tattoo, partying hardy while child is missing, never mentioned missing baby to friends, stinky car, won't they understand?


heh, Happy Mother's day liar! You SOB!:cuss:


AMEN NAWNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! couldn't have said it better in a million years

[samanthajane13]

"heh, Happy Mother's day liar! You SOB!"

I hate to be naughty, but in the Skank's case, shouldn't it be Happy Mo-Fo's Day, and shouldn't the date actually be the last day that Caylee was seen alive???

[browneyes106]

Hi everyone and Happy Mother's Day to the moms here.

[browneyes106]

Casey was just an egg donor. There are no holidays for egg donors.

[Native Alien]

George and Cindy are suppose to be on Larry King Live again.

Here is the link to send in your questions/comments to Larry. I already sent an email with my questions in it.

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.lkl.comment.asklarry.html

Maybe someone should send him the link to this thread.

[lorettalockhorn]

Happy Mothers Day, CL!

http://i37.tinypic.com/9qjiw2.jpg

Happy Mothers Day, Casey & Cindy!

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[browneyes106]

I'll guess I'll watch LKL. I won't have anything to watch before the American Idol results show.

[browneyes106]

I love the finger picture.

[Native Alien]

Sigh. The webmaster apparently figured it all out and most of the good stuff disappeared, so don't bother looking for "don"...

Someone posted the question as to what happened to some of the comments. That must have been the ones that were deleted.

[eatcupcakes]

Do you think that LK is gonna ask questions that C&G won't like. Heck no, he never asks questions like that to anyone. That is why they all go on his show. And CNN is owned by Time Warner, the company I am sure C&G made a deal with and got a big advance from when they went out to CA. In their contract I bet they have to go on LKL and do the Morning Show and that is why they were on their best behavior. They will act the same way on LKL. It would be a lot more interesting and entertaining if Cindy acted the same way on Larry King as she did with the Depo but thats not gonna happen. No gum, no yelling no swearing, boaring. I bet they have a deal with Time Warner for a book and movie when the trial is over. Mark my words.

[eatcupcakes]

Happy Mothers Day, CL!

http://i37.tinypic.com/9qjiw2.jpg

Happy Mothers Day, Casey & Cindy!

http://i37.tinypic.com/qqaaac.jpg

Very good pictures, both of them say a lot. Your good at this. You go girl.

By the way are we friends now. :)

[browneyes106]

[/B]

She's a lose cannon alright! I hope every shrink, every body language expert and every member of the prosecution is watching that show. Cindy might just jump up and snap Larry's suspenders and it could turn into the most famous thing ever seen on TV! It could make the most horrendous Jerry Springer show look like nothing at all.

Someone might want to suggest putting their picture under the definition of INSANE in Websters dictionary. Can someone write a Wikipedia paragraph on those people?

Weigh in! :confused:

I love you Danagher. I agree with javahog if LK asked a capable question somone would blow. I could see Cindy pointing her finger in LK's face the way she did at the ZFG depo.

[browneyes106]

I saw two comments from Don. feh... :rolleyes:

THis is what I would want LK to ask the A's.

Larry? Are you there? If so, please ask the Anthony's the hard questions.

1. Why are you defending Casey and not Caylee?

2. You said she didn't report Caylee missing because she was scared of Zani the nanny, but so far there seems to be no Zani the nanny, what's your take on that?

3. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE REAL KILLER? If so, how are you going about that?

4. So clear this up for me, did anyone else have access to your house besides Casey, while they were not living with you?

5. Did anyone else have access to her car?

6. By what financial means are you both covering your living expenses?

7. People are wondering what it is you are doing or have done with the 34K boat sitting in your yard. Have you used it to help find missing children?

8. You seem to have lost your composure at the deposition, we are wondering why you bold-faced lied on the stand. DO you have an answer for us?

9. Can it be possible that you can accept that Casey may have actually killed Caylee? And why would she do that, in your opinion? Was Caylee cramping her style, or did she do that to get even with you Cindy? Seems to be the general consensus.

10. What would make you think she did not kill Caylee?

11. Who else would want to harm that child and why?

12. If Casey confessed, what would you do? Would you continue to defend her?

13. It appears that Casey has not wanted visits from you, are you still feeling that she needs you to go on national and International TV to defend her? Er, um, what is it that you are really defending?

14. Did Casey take Caylee's bedding with her when she left?

15. Why do you think she abandoned her car with her pocketbook sitting in the front seat?

16. Is anyone supporting your campaign to defend Casey?

17. Is your family behind Casey?

18. Both of you worked in careers that made you experience the smell of dead bodies, why did you change your story from the smell of a dead body to rotting potato's, pizza, squirrels?

19. George? Why did they have to pull you off Casey when she came home from jail the first time? And why did you ask her "What have to done with my granddaughter?


20. What is your take on the fact that the duct tape found on Caylee was from the roll used to mark your gas cans?


21. Do you get the sense that she is going to hold you two responsible for what happened to Caylee?

If not, you'd better hold on to your azz. :punch:

Those are very good questions but I don't think they will get asked. Some of the questions really made me think.

2. You said she didn't report Caylee missing because she was scared of Zani the nanny, but so far there seems to be no Zani the nanny, what's your take on that?

Have the Anthony's ever explained how Zani the nanny was paid and where are the records of payment? I guess they will just say Casey paid her cash.

6. By what financial means are you both covering your living expenses?

We are all wondering that. Neither George or Cindy have worked since August. I kind of remember hearing something that the Eastside Baptist Church was helping them cover their bills. I doubt Grandma Pleasea is able to help them financially. George's relatives in Ohio who have auto businesses could be helping them but I think there is a big chance that they aren't helping them.

14. Did Casey take Caylee's bedding with her when she left?

I have missed a lot of nights of NG the past couple of months. But I do wonder if Cindy noticed the bedding missing but kept her mouth shut. I don't remember LP saying anything about the bedding or if Tracey the female bounty hunter said anything about the bedding. Also if Casey keeps claiming that" Zani" took Caylee why would "Zani" go back and take the bedding off.

15. Why do you think she abandoned her car with her pocketbook sitting in the front seat?

There have been theories that Casey simply abandoned the car in hopes that it would be stolen by someone and that the auto thief would be blamed for the murder somehow. This has really got me thinking. Caylee's car seat was in the back and visible to anyone. A few years ago one of the news stations in my area did a special on car theft and how criminals target certain people or cars. A few ex cons and convicts were interviewed. They said they regretted their crimes but they sometimes tried to have some sort of standard when it came to stealing. They all said they mostly target areas where wealthier people would be. They said that often hung around golf courses, resort areas, casinos and similar places in hopes of stealing an expensive car. One ex con said he that if he saw a baby or child car seat in a car he wouldn't steal the car because he didn't like the idea of stealing from a family. I think maybe the main reason nobody attempted to steal Casey's car is because they saw the car seat.

[JLette]

Those are very good questions but I don't think they will get asked. Some of the questions really made me think.

2. You said she didn't report Caylee missing because she was scared of Zani the nanny, but so far there seems to be no Zani the nanny, what's your take on that?

Have the Anthony's ever explained how Zani the nanny was paid and where are the records of payment? I guess they will just say Casey paid her cash.

6. By what financial means are you both covering your living expenses?

We are all wondering that. Neither George or Cindy have worked since August. I kind of remember hearing something that the Eastside Baptist Church was helping them cover their bills. I doubt Grandma Pleasea is able to help them financially. George's relatives in Ohio who have auto businesses could be helping them but I think there is a big chance that they aren't helping them.

14. Did Casey take Caylee's bedding with her when she left?

I have missed a lot of nights of NG the past couple of months. But I do wonder if Cindy noticed the bedding missing but kept her mouth shut. I don't remember LP saying anything about the bedding or if Tracey the female bounty hunter said anything about the bedding. Also if Casey keeps claiming that" Zani" took Caylee why would "Zani" go back and take the bedding off.

15. Why do you think she abandoned her car with her pocketbook sitting in the front seat?

There have been theories that Casey simply abandoned the car in hopes that it would be stolen by someone and that the auto thief would be blamed for the murder somehow. This has really got me thinking. Caylee's car seat was in the back and visible to anyone. A few years ago one of the news stations in my area did a special on car theft and how criminals target certain people or cars. A few ex cons and convicts were interviewed. They said they regretted their crimes but they sometimes tried to have some sort of standard when it came to stealing. They all said they mostly target areas where wealthier people would be. They said that often hung around golf courses, resort areas, casinos and similar places in hopes of stealing an expensive car. One ex con said he that if he saw a baby or child car seat in a car he wouldn't steal the car because he didn't like the idea of stealing from a family. I think maybe the main reason nobody attempted to steal Casey's car is because they saw the car seat.


or maybe it wasn't stolen because of the awful smell coming from it. i know that if i were a car thief i certainly wouldn't want to drive away in a car that smelled like THAT

[browneyes106]

I saw two comments from Don. feh... :rolleyes:

THis is what I would want LK to ask the A's.

Larry? Are you there? If so, please ask the Anthony's the hard questions.

1. Why are you defending Casey and not Caylee?

2. You said she didn't report Caylee missing because she was scared of Zani the nanny, but so far there seems to be no Zani the nanny, what's your take on that?

3. ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THE REAL KILLER? If so, how are you going about that?

4. So clear this up for me, did anyone else have access to your house besides Casey, while they were not living with you?

5. Did anyone else have access to her car?

6. By what financial means are you both covering your living expenses?

7. People are wondering what it is you are doing or have done with the 34K boat sitting in your yard. Have you used it to help find missing children?

8. You seem to have lost your composure at the deposition, we are wondering why you bold-faced lied on the stand. DO you have an answer for us?

9. Can it be possible that you can accept that Casey may have actually killed Caylee? And why would she do that, in your opinion? Was Caylee cramping her style, or did she do that to get even with you Cindy? Seems to be the general consensus.

10. What would make you think she did not kill Caylee?

11. Who else would want to harm that child and why?

12. If Casey confessed, what would you do? Would you continue to defend her?

13. It appears that Casey has not wanted visits from you, are you still feeling that she needs you to go on national and International TV to defend her? Er, um, what is it that you are really defending?

14. Did Casey take Caylee's bedding with her when she left?

15. Why do you think she abandoned her car with her pocketbook sitting in the front seat?

16. Is anyone supporting your campaign to defend Casey?

17. Is your family behind Casey?

18. Both of you worked in careers that made you experience the smell of dead bodies, why did you change your story from the smell of a dead body to rotting potato's, pizza, squirrels?

19. George? Why did they have to pull you off Casey when she came home from jail the first time? And why did you ask her "What have to done with my granddaughter?


20. What is your take on the fact that the duct tape found on Caylee was from the roll used to mark your gas cans?


21. Do you get the sense that she is going to hold you two responsible for what happened to Caylee?

If not, you'd better hold on to your azz. :punch:

My take on the questions part 2. I had to run some errands earlier so here is my take on some other questions.

2. You said she didn't report Caylee missing because she was scared of Zani the nanny, but so far there seems to be no Zani the nanny, what's your take on that?

Good questions there have never been any clear explanations to why Casey felt threatened by "Zani". According to the released documents and such there has never been any mention of "Zani" of what Zani threatened to do the Anthony's. All we have heard is the list of instructions that LP said that Casey told him about.


7. People are wondering what it is you are doing or have done with the 34K boat sitting in your yard. Have you used it to help find missing children?

I wish someone would call out toolbag George on this. Seriously a foundation dedicated would not need to have a boat on hand full time. Law enforcement agencies are always volunteering boats for searches. Also how does the Caylee foundation plan to pay for maintenance costs.

16. Is anyone supporting your campaign to defend Casey?

They would just name the usuals like Mallory, Jodi, Holly and few of the other groupies. But I would ask them how well they know a lot of the Casey supporters. They would probably say they have only known them for a few months.

17. Is your family behind Casey?

They would probably piss at this question. All Cindy has her mommy and daddy who Casey stole from. George has a bad history with his family including pushing his dad through a window

18. Both of you worked in careers that made you experience the smell of dead bodies, why did you change your story from the smell of a dead body to rotting potato's, pizza, squirrels?

I would ask Cindy and George how much they encountered dead bodies in their careers. Based on Rick's topix' posts and articles Cindy has worked mostly in ortho clinics and home health care offices. She would probably say "oh well I'm a nurse who doesn't smell much dead bodies so I realized after smelling the trunk it wasn't a dead body". Many people who are nurses have told me that they were required to cadaver work in nursing school. George would also say something about how he hasn't been around dead bodies since his Ohio LE career and how he realized that he was unsure if there had been a dead body in the trunk before. Both would various excuses for them changing their stories about the smell. I would also question how they know the smell of rotting potatoes, pizza and squirrels. Unless they live like snobs and they walk a lot on highways and streets smelling animal carcasses.

[Native Alien]

I looked on the LKL site earlier this morning and there were over 800 comments most of them from what I could see asking him not to waste the airtime on the Anthonys. Many people gave specific examples of what lies they have told. It is the comment section of his blog that interesting reading.

[eatcupcakes]

People asking LK not to waste time with the Anthony's will get nowhere. He is no Oprah who owns her own show LKL is owned by Time Warner and they call the shots. As for questions for him to ask the Ants I have a question I email to him regarding why no other family members or neighbors have come forward or said anything postive about them or Casey?

Personally I find that very interesting, usually when someone is accused of a crime, such as the Craig List Killer, people come forward and say how shocked they are because this was such a nice person who was certainly a person who they would never supect of commiting such a terrible crime.

No neighbor or family member, except for Cindy, George and Lee have anything nice to say about Casey or the Anthony's themselves.

[Native Alien]

On NG, Terrence Lenamon said that prior to the body being found, he and Baez had a big disagreement with the case, so he quit. Then the body was found.

I wonder if it was Lenamon that was pushing for Casey to plea to a lesser sentence and tell where the body was.

[mu8shark]

On NG, Terrence Lenamon said that prior to the body being found, he and Baez had a big disagreement with the case, so he quit. Then the body was found.

I wonder if it was Lenamon that was pushing for Casey to plea to a lesser sentence and tell where the body was.I heard Nancy ask him if the disagreement was to do with him maybe wanting a mental defense for Casey which you know means she would have to admit she did it but was somehow mentally impaired or insane. My take is that the key to the disagreement is in this guys plea to the state not to ask for the death penalty because if she was guilty it was probably an accident. So you know this guy being a very saavy , experienced lawyer probably advised Jose that was the direction to go in, say it was an accident, say she panicked, have her tell where the body was and then go for some kind of mental defense to combat the penalty or even the guilt phase. But Jose being an inexperienced boob probably wanted to go for the nanny did it or some other dude did it defense or the police did not conduct the investigation properly angle. And really I should give him I suppose the benefit of the doubt because even if Jose wisened up and told Casey he thought she should plead, she probably would say 'Are you kidding me?'. If they signed on a new lawyer the best thing Jose could do is turn over the reins to the new , more experienced lawyer because no way, no how is Jose qualified and frankly although I am digressing here, I think Jose is a bit bewitched by his client.

[mu8shark]

I also found it interesting that on NG Ray the defense lawyer on her panel said that if he were Jose he would be watching NG to see what the callers were saying because they were probably a good indication of what a jury would not believe or accept. And he is absolutely right! In all the time I have watched NG not one person has called in to offer that perhaps the nanny story is credible. All the calls relating to the nanny relate that there are nothing but holes and incredulity directed at this nanny story. Jose should really think about that if he is planning on going with that story still. Personally, because I want her convicted, i hope he is that stupid. I also found it interesting that other than crazy Janie Weintraub , really not that many defense laywers on the panel are defending Casey or even finding many good ways to defend her. So when the talking head defense lawyers are folding, I would say Jose has problems out the wazoo.

[mu8shark]

I was just lurking on another board. C has been responding to some of the posters thru the Caylee site. She called one who spoke of the truth the devil and feels Kidfinder has been portrayed unfairly in the news. Apparently the guy who wrote/ sang ? the Caylee song will be on LKL along with the Ant's. So are we going to get puppies and pig tails? :shrug: Hepefully Lee will show up and kiss or slobber on his watch again. LOL

[mu8shark]

I'm not so sure that Lenamon would expect a confession. He is pretty much a high profile DP lawyer. He would know a socio thru and thru. I personally think the disagreement came about with Bozo possibly intoducing to him the ugly coping-Lenamon eluded to what was out in the press as to what he did not agree with.. MOO They know this as slam dunk and they are grasping. It just so warmed my heart to listen to that inmate who apparently viewed them strapping her down as such a violation. If she saw it who knows and i really could care less. However it could come in thru the penalty phase-so maybe i do care :beer: I guess though I was thinking of the brief he wrote saying it was probably an accident, maybe indicating he thought she did it and would be convicted. . And also that he did indicate he wanted to go in the direction of a mental defense on NG tonight. . In order to do that you have to say you did it. You can't get up there and say we want you to think she is not guilty but if you find her guilty it is because she is crazy. So in order to present a mental defense that mitigates her culpability she would have to come forward. I think the ugly coping may be a strategy Jose recently drummed up , but of course I can't be sure. One thing is for sure, it will be an uphill battle for Jose. And as a complete side note unrelated, I wish Janie Weintraub on JVM would quit raking Kronk over the coals for taking the 5,000 grand to pay his legal bills. It is just shameful the way she is trying to shift blame to this guy. I just reread your post Beem and I agree he probably realizes that Casey will not ever come clean. So maybe a mental defense is totally pointless because Casey won't ever tell the truth.

[mu8shark]

Good to see you Mu-you have been missed :rose: I luv that avatar-beautiful face on that dog. Good to see you too. My dog is so gentle and kind, it kind of show in the picture, doesn't it?

[browneyes106]

Did anyone think the fellow inmate's story was true?

[mu8shark]

Baaahaaa-I have to confess i had a postal moment and went all jiggy and sent C a scathing email. Having said that best thing i ever did and I am all good with it. I guess it was a menopausal cleansing moment. If i get a response i will be sure to let ya all know-after she responds to the 8 thousand ahead of me :biggrin: You know who I wrote? Padilla. I wanted to know why he said there were fingerprints and so far none of the documents released bear that out. But alas, he did not write me back. Hmmm....

[mu8shark]

Did anyone think the fellow inmate's story was true? I was just about to ask that. Well NG surely wants you to believe it. She won't hear of any dissent on that it seems. She is so rude to berate her reporters and producers. The jail said no one could see in her cell where it was situated. And somehow, I don't know why the jail would care if it got released if she threw a fit and they had to restrain her. So what? It is not like they beat her or something. Also it kind of seems weird, even for Casey to be yelling "I'm pissed " over and over. While the woman is certainly articulate and seems to be calmly telling her story, I don't know , I guess I tend to believe the jailers. Also about her photos, in most county jails you can't bring a bunch of stuff from home, photos and magazines and such. Where did she get the photos for this shrine? I have my doubts about the story. Most county jails and other jails let you get magazines as a subscription but don't let people bring them in from the outside. Anyone else have an opinion on this story?

[DrewBerry]

Well now, how would she know the devil? Is she on his payroll? That woman can't shut up. She just can't leave a tender moment alone. She needs a hand grenade and a blow torch to get the point. Hello Cindy?!!!!! Your daughter is in jail on a MURDER ONE CHARGE! Knock knock! Your granddaughter is now a pile of REMAINS! ANYBODY HOME?!? Why are you online bantering with people? Shouldn't you be in a grief group or at the very least, medicated and crying under the covers on your bed? Maybe you should go look at the Homes for Sale on another globe somewhere! The war is over and you LOST! It is what it is and no amount of fighting is going to change that! Yooo hooo! Helloooooo,, Death Penalty?!Do you get it yet?

No fighting Cin-drama...go home, lick your wounds, fold um, count your losses. The more you fight with people the guiltier she looks. Oy Vey!!! :punch:

Aww, Nawny you wrote my exact thoughts about Cinderdrama. I must admit you are more of a lady than I, as my choice or words would border on swearing at her. Tha Ants. are going down and I believe the weakest link in this family chain is GEORGE. Whatcha all think about that for a min.??!! Just curious how everyone perceives the current situation.
DrewB:shrug:

[mu8shark]

I was just lurking on another board. C has been responding to some of the posters thru the Caylee site. She called one who spoke of the truth the devil and feels Kidfinder has been portrayed unfairly in the news. Apparently the guy who wrote/ sang ? the Caylee song will be on LKL along with the Ant's. So are we going to get puppies and pig tails? :shrug: What is the url for that site that Cindy is replying on? I have forgotten. Thanks!