Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Zingo]

I'm rewatching NG.

Does George have any idea that he has just lost any sympathy people might have had for him by acting like a complete a**hole?

George: "You have to do a better job pronunciating things to not confuse people."

Morgan: "How do you pronounce it?"

George: [sarcastic] "How about Z-A-N-Y? If you can't pronounce an A, there's something wrong with you, sir. The way you're pronunciating it, you're putting an E."

How 'bout George gets an award for best unintended irony? Correcting someone's "pronunciation" by mispronouncing and confusing the verb "pronounce," which means the way someone utters a word, with "enunciate" which means to articulate syllables.

"Pronunciate" is not really a word, George.

Maybe you should go back to English class before correcting someone else's pronunciation.

This family has no class at all.

[One2Snoop]

Baez Files New Court Motion
New Witness Emerges With Phone Records Request

POSTED: Friday, April 10, 2009
UPDATED: 4:01 pm EDT April 11, 2009
Casey Anthony's defense attorney filed new court papers on Friday requesting additional phone records.

Jose Baez has already received more than 5,000 pages of documents, but many of the phone records in those documents are not complete and Baez wants the full records.

Casey Anthony is being held at the Orange County Jail. She is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

In the motion, Baez is asking judge Stan Strickland to order 11 different cell phone companies to turn over certain records to the defense.

Baez wants complete records for meter reader Roy Kronk, the man who found Caylee Anthony's remains; Jesse Grund, Anthony's ex-fiance; Tony Lazzaro, the man Anthony was dating when she was arrested in July on charges of child neglect in the disappearance of her daughter; Richard Cain, the deputy who searched the woods where Caylee's body was later found; Anthony's friend Amy Huizinga; private investigators Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover; and the entire Anthony family.

Another name on the list is not as familiar.

Keith Williams is one of a number of people who walked around the woods off suburban drive months before Caylee was found.

Williams used to live in the same neighborhood as the Anthonys, and when he heard of Caylee’s disappearance, he immediately thought of the woods where Casey Anthony used to hang out.

Williams went to look in the area on Aug. 5. and again on Aug. 18.

“The second time I was out there I actually found a bag of stuffed animals and that was suspicious to me because none of them were damaged,” Williams said. “There were just in a bag thrown in the back woods there.”

Williams called the Orange County Sheriff’s Department thinking his finding might be significant. Cain responded to the call.

The sheriff’s department announced its intent to fire Cain on Friday over the way he handled tips about the wooded area called in by Roy Kronk, the man who eventually located Caylee’s remains.

“I showed him the stuffed animals and he just kind of grabbed and looked at it. He ended up throwing it back into the woods,” Williams said.

That incident occurred five days after Cain responded to Kronk’s call.

“You think about it and you think, ‘Why not?’ Why not put a little more effort into it?” Williams said.

Local 6 News reported that Williams could be a key witness for the defense. Williams was in the woods five times and never found Caylee’s body.

“Man I was close,” Williams said. “I was so close to finding this girl. It hit me like a dagger, but then the more I thought about it then I actually went out there. I said, ‘You know, I did walk around there. I was in that area and I don’t believe I saw a bag there.’”

Williams is referencing the bag in which Caylee’s remains were later found.

Williams could help Casey Anthony’s defense team argue that Caylee’s remains were not in the woods in August, and therefore, she could not have placed them there.

Williams said he did not smell anything while he was looking in the woods in August.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19151346/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Legal Analyst On Anthonys: "Like Mother, Like Daughter"

Posted: 5:25 pm EDT April 10, 2009Updated: 6:48 pm EDT April 10, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- George Anthony may have to face questions under oath again. Lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez say they may force him to answer questions he refused to answer Thursday in the civil case against Casey.

The Anthonys are accusing Gonzalez and her attorneys of jumping on the publicity bandwagon. They want to reduce the case to grandstanding to defend their daughter.

But Gonzalez say she's lost her job and her peace of mind after Casey gave her name to investigators and they questioned her. WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says Zenaida's attorneys were patient and polite, despite the Anthonys' belligerent behavior.

"It makes them look as though there's something to hide," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer watched Cindy and George Anthony's videotaped depositions and told Eyewitness News the Anthonys' behavior is damaging to their daughter Casey's defense against charges she premeditatedly murdered her daughter Caylee two months before her third birthday.

"I'm not gonna answer that," George Anthony told attorneys during his deposition Thursday.

"Very arrogant, very combative," Sheaffer said about George's attitude during the deposition.

Sheaffer told Eyewitness News the Anthonys now appear to be less sympathetic and less believable; if the jury doesn't like them, the jury's not going to like their daughter.

"Can somebody… Uhhhhh! You're not letting me speak," Casey yelled during a video visitation with her parents months ago.

Some comparisons could be drawn to Cindy during her own deposition Thursday.

"I'm answering it and then he cuts me off. That's exactly what the sheriff's office did to my daughter. They never let her speak. You're doing the same thing to me," Cindy told attorneys during her deposition.

But, in fact, investigators let Casey talk for hours and Cindy's deposition was three hours long. They both talk in circles and they both change their stories.

"A jury's gonna look at that quite frankly and say, 'Like mother like daughter. Like father like daughter,'" Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer said it might actually help Casey during the sentencing phase if she's convicted. The jury might feel sorry for her and take her upbringing into consideration.


SHEAFFER ANALYSIS: "ACTS OF DESPERATION"

Casey Anthony said Caylee's mystery nanny, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, who also goes by the name Zanny, disappeared with Caylee. Then, she insinuated Casey's ex-fiance might be involved. Then Casey's mother told investigators Zanny might be him or even one of Casey's friends. Thursday, Cindy didn't back off of that.

"I think Zanny could be Amy or Jesse at this point," Cindy Anthony said during Thursday's deposition.

Cindy Anthony repeated under oath Thursday what she said to investigators in August; she first believed Zanny the nanny was real, then that Zanny could be Casey's good friend Amy Huizenga or even her ex-fiance Jesse Grund and Thursday she let those accusations stand.

Sheaffer says, if she does it at Casey's murder trial, she will make her daughter look bad.

"This is where she gets her attitude and her ability to lie with impunity and to hurt anyone who is innocent in order to advance her own cause," Sheaffer said.

Thursday, Cindy said Jesse Grund was actually the first one to mention the name Zanny. George said under oath Thursday he believes Zanny the nanny took Caylee. Even last summer, he told investigators he asked Caylee about Zanny before all this happened and got no response.

"If you asked her how, did you have a good time with Zanny today, there was never any brightness or anything like that come through her," George previously told investigators.

"There was no recognition on her part?" FBI Special Agent Scott Bolin asked George.

"No, none whatsoever," he replied.

Sheaffer says the Anthonys' inconsistent statements make them look deceitful and desperate, which makes Casey look guilty.

"It looks like acts of desperation. These people will say and do and drag anybody down that they have to," Sheaffer said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19150991/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Deputy Refuses To Accept Firing Over Response To Call

Posted: 4:56 pm EDT April 10, 2009Updated: 8:47 am EDT April 11, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The deputy who investigated a call for service from the man who ended up finding Caylee Anthony's remains was fired by the Orange County Sheriff's Office, but he refused the termination and will keep his job until an appeal is heard.

An investigation of Deputy Richard Cain, regarding his response and investigation of a call for service from Roy Kronk on August 13, 2008, found his response to be "unsatisfactory" and "additional effort should have been expended by him to exhaust the findings of the call," the report released from revealed.

Deputy Cain testified on December 18, 2008 and again on January 14, 2009 and the investigation deemed his testimony to be "untruthful."

The resulting punishment for his actions is two-fold, according to the sheriff's office. Cain is to receive 160 hours suspension without pay for "Unsatisfactory Performance" and termination for being untruthful.

However, Cain didn't accept the termination and is fighting the recommendation. He gets two appeals. If he loses the first appeal, he'll be fired immediately. A second appeal would be heard after his termination.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office told Eyewitness News it could be weeks before a ruling on the first appeal in Cain asks for an extension. If he doesn't, it could be a week or two before a ruling.

Deputy Cain was assigned to the supply section by the sheriff's office pending the appeal he has requested and has no law enforcement powers during that time.

"The information that Deputy Cain lied about the most critical piece of evidence in the case played second fiddle all week. Instead, most people focused on analyzing Casey Anthony’s behavior at various junctures in this tragic case," Marti Mackenzie, spokesperson for Jose Baez, wrote in a statement released early Friday evening. "The defense knows what's relevant, and we are concentrating on that."

Previous Kronk/Cain Related Stories:

* March 17, 2009: Casey Attorneys Question Orange County Deputy
* February 2, 2009: Meter Reader Who Found Caylee Gets New Job
* January 15, 2009: Deputy Reassigned Over Meter Reader Call Response
* January 14, 2009: Deputy Being Investigated For Handling Of Call
* January 13, 2009: Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Denies Involvement


WFTV LEGAL ANALYST REVIEWS ANTHONY DEPOSITIONS

George Anthony may have to face questions under oath again. Lawyers for Zenaida Gonzalez say they may force him to answer questions he refused to answer Thursday in the civil case against Casey.

LEGAL ANALYSIS: Sheaffer Reviews Depos
CINDY DEPO: Part 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Read | Images
GEORGE DEPO: Part 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | Read | Images

The Anthonys are accusing Gonzalez and her attorneys of jumping on the publicity bandwagon. They want to reduce the case to grandstanding to defend their daughter.

But Gonzalez say she's lost her job and her peace of mind after Casey gave her name to investigators and they questioned her. WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer says Zenaida's attorneys were patient and polite, despite the Anthonys' belligerent behavior.

"It makes them look as though there's something to hide," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer watched Cindy and George Anthony's videotaped depositions and told Eyewitness News the Anthonys' behavior is damaging to their daughter Casey's defense against charges she premeditatedly murdered her daughter Caylee two months before her third birthday.

"I'm not gonna answer that," George Anthony told attorneys during his deposition Thursday.

"Very arrogant, very combative," Sheaffer said about George's attitude during the deposition.

Sheaffer told Eyewitness News the Anthonys now appear to be less sympathetic and less believable; if the jury doesn't like them, the jury's not going to like their daughter.

"Can somebody… Uhhhhh! You're not letting me speak," Casey yelled during a video visitation with her parents months ago.

Some comparisons could be drawn to Cindy during her own deposition Thursday.

"I'm answering it and then he cuts me off. That's exactly what the sheriff's office did to my daughter. They never let her speak. You're doing the same thing to me," Cindy told attorneys during her deposition.

But, in fact, investigators let Casey talk for hours and Cindy's deposition was three hours long. They both talk in circles and they both change their stories.

"A jury's gonna look at that quite frankly and say, 'Like mother like daughter. Like father like daughter,'" Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer said it might actually help Casey during the sentencing phase if she's convicted. The jury might feel sorry for her and take her upbringing into consideration.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19150728/detail.html#-

[Native Alien]

I believe that the Anthonys are going to get what they have coming to them. It will happen in the courtroom during the criminal case. They will be treated as hostile witnesses by the prosecutors and it will get really ugly, really fast because they have all told so many lies there is no way they are going to keep them straight.

They won't be allowed the gum in the courtroom. There will be no being combative to the attorneys, and at least two of them are going to get seriously knocked off that high horse they are riding on.

[sharlock]

Hey guys I have a big problem. Can anyone here get in contact with Leonard Padilla for me? This is urgent about a friend of his not Caylee. I really am concerned that his friend has hurt herself and he needs to call her.

[Its just me]

Hey guys I have a big problem. Can anyone here get in contact with Leonard Padilla for me? This is urgent about a friend of his not Caylee. I really am concerned that his friend has hurt herself and he needs to call her.

Sharlock I found this for you: Not sure how updated the info is. I pray his friend is ok. :rose:

816 H Street
Suite 244
Sacramento, CA 95814
ph: 916-558-6915
fax: 916-558-6920
leonardpadillabountyhunter@yahoo.com (leonardpadillabountyhunter@yahoo.com)

http://www.leonardpadilla.net/contact_us

[eatcupcakes]

After seeing C&G give their Depostion I realized that this is a very sick family. I have never seen so much, lying, swearing, disrespect for other people, ( like Cindy telling Zenita she is not a 10) oh and yes that crude gum chewing all the time by Cindy, LOL. The last time I saw anything close was the Chimes, a family of very experienced grifters. The Anthonys seem to also have a lot of experience acting out this behavior. Would u even think to accuse the Attorney of flipping you the bird, or turning the tables and yelling at them and asking them questions, screaming at them to "answer her question". I am known for speaking what I feel but I would never behave like them. It seems like the part of their brains that puts the brakes on certain behavior is not working. They also seem to know that if you lie enough and confuse everything, like Cindy swearing that their was never a fight between her and Casyee), telling the Attorney to go there and make an ass out of himself. She makes it believable to someone who dosen't know that case the way we do, to believe that there was no fiight.

And Lee is right up there with them, with the "CME" at the memorial service, and laughing at inappropriate times when giving his deposition.

One more thing I have to say is that Cindy nor Lee appear to be grieving over Caylee, George maybe. I have never seen Cindy shed a tear for that little girl. All she has been doing from the beginning is fight argure and lie and all for her daughter Casey.

[Amy]

Watching them, you would think they think they are the King and Queen of England, or the President and First Lady of the US of A--only these 4 people have MUCH more class and would not act in such a manner. They think they are so above us mere mortals (the A's, not the K/Q, Pres and First Lady) that they don't have to answer to the law, or to the attorneys. After all, their granddaughter was murdered, I guess she is the first little girl in history to be murdered (no disrespect to Caylee, just the A's attitude) and they should not be confronted on any subject? George, with his chin lift and sneering expression, Cindy with her insolence and condesending attitude. Gee, she read the discovery and I guess she can only answer things that showed up in discovery, that is, if it doesn't show any of the A's in a bad light. Then, nope, won't answer the question.

I suppose, if I were be deposed against my will, I would possibly come up with some of the same answers, but I don't think I could swing the attitude they came up with. It's just so over the top!!!

And, George, after sneering to the attorney about asking who watched Casey--no one watched my daughter and that is what you just asked me, I'm not going to answer that question. And when the attorney restates the question, he says "our child" then corrects himself to "granddaughter." Come on George. The attorney had so much more class to not point out YOUR slip of the tongue.

Seems like they were enjoying their stroll into the courthouse (or wherever they were) with all the cameras on them from the moment they appeared on the horizon. I noticed that they sure dressed down for the occasion. Now, I almost exclusively wear blue jeans, but I put on slacks for things like church, court, receptions, etc. I guess they were trying to make a point about disrespecting the proceedings. And I say this because (in spite of the tank top episode @ the beginning of the case) they have always had on slacks for court, tv shows, etc.

Anyway, their attitude this time round was so over the top, so ANTagonistic, so entitled, there just isn't enough space to enumerate all the adjectives that fit.

[deputydi]

After seeing C&G give their Depostion I realized that this is a very sick family. I have never seen so much, lying, swearing, disrespect for other people, ( like Cindy telling Zenita she is not a 10) oh and yes that crude gum chewing all the time by Cindy, LOL. The last time I saw anything close was the Chimes, a family of very experienced grifters. The Anthonys seem to also have a lot of experience acting out this behavior. Would u even think to accuse the Attorney of flipping you the bird, or turning the tables and yelling at them and asking them questions, screaming at them to "answer her question". I am known for speaking what I feel but I would never behave like them. It seems like the part of their brains that puts the brakes on certain behavior is not working. They also seem to know that if you lie enough and confuse everything, like Cindy swearing that their was never a fight between her and Casyee), telling the Attorney to go there and make an ass out of himself. She makes it believable to someone who dosen't know that case the way we do, to believe that there was no fiight.

And Lee is right up there with them, with the "CME" at the memorial service, and laughing at inappropriate times when giving his deposition.

One more thing I have to say is that Cindy nor Lee appear to be grieving over Caylee, George maybe. I have never seen Cindy shed a tear for that little girl. All she has been doing from the beginning is fight argure and lie and all for her daughter Casey.
I've been out of the loop for a couple of weeks and doing my best to play catch-up. I watched NG last night and am EATING EVERY NICE, SYMPATHETIC WORD I ever said about Cindy.

First of all, I agree with Amy about CAs attire being some sort of a defiant statement. Even though the depo was held in a conference room at atty Morgan's office, a little more respect should have been shown for the proceeding. Chewing her gum like a damned cow chewing its cud was not only very unattractive, it, too, was a statement of defiance. There is something seriously wrong with this woman and her display of arrogance will, in the end, do more to harm her daughter than help.

With each and every question she grew more combative and defensive. She's hiding something and it is becoming more and more obvious -- even to me. She looks scary to me. I guess it is pretty much the same look we've seen throughout this case, but watching her last night gave me the heebie-jeebies.

George gave some pretty stupid answers, refused to address certain issues and made a couple of senseless accusations, but IMO he is still grieving over the loss of his granddaughter. The question he refused to answer about his last day with Caylee was understandable. It's a memory very personal and precious to him and he didn't want to take the chance of his words being taken apart and misconstrued in the press. I understand that and can't see any relevance anyway.

The judge can't ban them from the courtroom unless and until their behavior becomes disruptive. Their atty is in a real pickle right now. Advising them to stay away from the trial will look bad and allowing them to show up knowing how combative they are will look bad. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place . . . sheesh!

Yep --- the only good to come out of any of this for Casey is the jury may just find some sympathy for her because of her parents. Unless the dp is put back on the table, even that won't do her any good. She's going to be convicted of 1st degree and the only punishment options are LWOP or death. If the jury is given the choice, they may save her from the dp because of C & G but she'll still be locked up for the rest of her life. I can live with either decision. I still say ----------- LET THE JURY DECIDE WHAT PUNISHMENT SHE DESERVES.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of weeks and doing my best to play catch-up. I watched NG last night and am EATING EVERY NICE, SYMPATHETIC WORD I ever said about Cindy.

First of all, I agree with Amy about CAs attire being some sort of a defiant statement. Even though the depo was held in a conference room at atty Morgan's office, a little more respect should have been shown for the proceeding. Chewing her gum like a damned cow chewing its cud was not only very unattractive, it, too, was a statement of defiance. There is something seriously wrong with this woman and her display of arrogance will, in the end, do more to harm her daughter than help.

With each and every question she grew more combative and defensive. She's hiding something and it is becoming more and more obvious -- even to me. She looks scary to me. I guess it is pretty much the same look we've seen throughout this case, but watching her last night gave me the heebie-jeebies.

George gave some pretty stupid answers, refused to address certain issues and made a couple of senseless accusations, but IMO he is still grieving over the loss of his granddaughter. The question he refused to answer about his last day with Caylee was understandable. It's a memory very personal and precious to him and he didn't want to take the chance of his words being taken apart and misconstrued in the press. I understand that and can't see any relevance anyway.

The judge can't ban them from the courtroom unless and until their behavior becomes disruptive. Their atty is in a real pickle right now. Advising them to stay away from the trial will look bad and allowing them to show up knowing how combative they are will look bad. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place . . . sheesh!

Yep --- the only good to come out of any of this for Casey is the jury may just find some sympathy for her because of her parents. Unless the dp is put back on the table, even that won't do her any good. She's going to be convicted of 1st degree and the only punishment options are LWOP or death. If the jury is given the choice, they may save her from the dp because of C & G but she'll still be locked up for the rest of her life. I can live with either decision. I still say ----------- LET THE JURY DECIDE WHAT PUNISHMENT SHE DESERVES.

I so wish some of the body language experts, or the Eyes for Lies detector (if you believe in that sort of thing) would pick apart G&C's deposition appearances. I think our armchair observations are dead on.

The judge can't ban G&C from the courtroom, but if Florida is like Arkansas, they could be excluded until their testimony is called for and completed. I say call them first and let 'em in. Since they refuse to stand up for Caylee, let the world see exactly the atmosphere that the little one was raised in and why she's better off now. Let the world see Cindy Sr. prove exactly where and how Cindy Jr. came into being.

Please God, let the harridan be charged with obstruction. And George too. He's had help and treatment and medication and still refuses to take a stand for justice. They are hiding some deep, dark secrets IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Baez Files New Court Motion
New Witness Emerges With Phone Records Request

POSTED: Friday, April 10, 2009
UPDATED: 4:01 pm EDT April 11, 2009
Casey Anthony's defense attorney filed new court papers on Friday requesting additional phone records.

Jose Baez has already received more than 5,000 pages of documents, but many of the phone records in those documents are not complete and Baez wants the full records.

Casey Anthony is being held at the Orange County Jail. She is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

In the motion, Baez is asking judge Stan Strickland to order 11 different cell phone companies to turn over certain records to the defense.

Baez wants complete records for meter reader Roy Kronk, the man who found Caylee Anthony's remains; Jesse Grund, Anthony's ex-fiance; Tony Lazzaro, the man Anthony was dating when she was arrested in July on charges of child neglect in the disappearance of her daughter; Richard Cain, the deputy who searched the woods where Caylee's body was later found; Anthony's friend Amy Huizinga; private investigators Dominic Casey and Jim Hoover; and the entire Anthony family.

Another name on the list is not as familiar.

Keith Williams is one of a number of people who walked around the woods off suburban drive months before Caylee was found.

Williams used to live in the same neighborhood as the Anthonys, and when he heard of Caylee’s disappearance, he immediately thought of the woods where Casey Anthony used to hang out.

Williams went to look in the area on Aug. 5. and again on Aug. 18.

“The second time I was out there I actually found a bag of stuffed animals and that was suspicious to me because none of them were damaged,” Williams said. “There were just in a bag thrown in the back woods there.”

Williams called the Orange County Sheriff’s Department thinking his finding might be significant. Cain responded to the call.

The sheriff’s department announced its intent to fire Cain on Friday over the way he handled tips about the wooded area called in by Roy Kronk, the man who eventually located Caylee’s remains.

“I showed him the stuffed animals and he just kind of grabbed and looked at it. He ended up throwing it back into the woods,” Williams said.

That incident occurred five days after Cain responded to Kronk’s call.

“You think about it and you think, ‘Why not?’ Why not put a little more effort into it?” Williams said.

Local 6 News reported that Williams could be a key witness for the defense. Williams was in the woods five times and never found Caylee’s body.

“Man I was close,” Williams said. “I was so close to finding this girl. It hit me like a dagger, but then the more I thought about it then I actually went out there. I said, ‘You know, I did walk around there. I was in that area and I don’t believe I saw a bag there.’”

Williams is referencing the bag in which Caylee’s remains were later found.

Williams could help Casey Anthony’s defense team argue that Caylee’s remains were not in the woods in August, and therefore, she could not have placed them there.

Williams said he did not smell anything while he was looking in the woods in August.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19151346/detail.html#-

Thanks for the link, would have thought that these phone records would have already been requested (at least for the most part), or is Baez trying to speed up the discovery process here?

Gee, as if we didn't already disdain Cain for being lazy, lame and a skeerdy cat, he's a litterbug too?! :shrug:

We've heard the THs claim that Cain's actions or lack thereof will help the defense, but he's a liar, so if Williams is going to help the defense whether purposely or haplessly, he better be squeaky clean. But is there such a thing in this case?

[lorettalockhorn]

Found you one, Loretta!

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/4/10/body_language_reveals_george_cindy_anthony39s_emot ions.html

Thanks Java, I had read that one. I'm not sure that I agree with Constantine that George has had enough. His attitude almost guarantees that he'll have to come back and be re-examined. If so, he asked for it. Was hoping that Linda Glass would have more airtime on NG the other night; she started in on the disrespect exhibited by Cindy, but only got a couple of sentences in. Eyes for Lies hasn't analyzed the depositions.

Aside: I wonder if the judges have seen these videos and what they think.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes that defense is going to be so weak. I wish we knew the timelines of the visits to the dumping ground and when there was water. I am sure LE has that. If it doesn't coincide with the visits they will still have to explain the plant growth etc. stuff. Whatever they call those guys.

It seems like when the forensic evidence was first released that the botanists gave a time frame, but not a specific/explicit time for Caylee to have been dumped. But it was summer and it does seem like the estimate was before Casey's final arrest.

[Gatordog]

She's going to have to buy them shoes. They both have bodacious ta ta's. That's where their brains are.

They need shoes! LOL http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Hey Nawny, you think we can "get em cement shoes"?

Gator

[samanthajane13]

Loretta-

Don't know if you saw this one, but it wqas on David Lohr's blog-

"ID Exclusive: Criminal Profiler Calls Casey Anthony "Dark Damsel"

In an effort to understand the psyche of Casey Anthony, Investigation Discovery enrolled the help of Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, a renowned criminal profiler who has over 20 years experience in profiling everything from serial murders to aberrant sex crimes. In 1999, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin profiled the BTK serial killer. Years later, when Dennis Rader was arrested for the crimes, the profile proved to be a shockingly accurate reflection of the killer.

According to Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, Casey Anthony is a "dark damsel" who is seemingly ignoring the disappearance of her 2-year-old child, Caylee Anthony.

"The hallmark of a good predator is that she constantly tells lies. If you clutter the truth with enough of what's false, no one can tell what is real," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "This is why the female offender keeps everyone guessing with deception. Keep people chasing their tails, and they don't have the time to fight you. You will often find female offenders are remarkably good at making people do what they want. They are especially skilled at manipulating men. Women know there is more than one way to make a man wild. She can seduce him. She can lead him in circles. When that fails, she can kill. Seduce-circle-kill."

By examining Anthony's behavioral patterns, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that her true self will become visible and it will become easier to predict her actions.

"In her eyes, those close to her are mere things that can be tossed in the trash when they get in the way. Follow her men, and you will follow her thinking. What that means is female predators are especially driven by their need to feel sexual and appealing. They need their men more than they need their families. Male attention is exciting, while family is judgmental. Men build her ego, but their children tear it down. What feeds her ego? If you figure this out, you figure her out. Seduce-circle-kill."

In regards to the trail of lies surrounding the case, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that they suggest Anthony is desperate for attention.

"She went toward excitement and lied when it suited her," she said, adding, "Lies surround her. Truth looks very hard to find here."

Unfortunately, determining what happened to Caylee is not as clear-cut.

"It is unclear at this point what happened to Caylee. However, what is clear is that Ms. Anthony did not put Caylee first when the child disappeared," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "She did not do her best to help police find the responsibility [child] that had taken so much of her life. There have been rumors that she partied while her child faded into the night. Finally, she comes across as angry that people care more for her missing child than her. Her pattern comes across very clear. She put herself first, at least when it came to her disappearing baby."

In summary, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that if Anthony's patter of behaviors is followed, the truth behind Caylee's disappearance will be revealed.

Visit Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin's Website at: www.drdsk.com"


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/id-exclusive-cr.html


Hope it helps!

[sharlock]

Sharlock I found this for you: Not sure how updated the info is. I pray his friend is ok. :rose:

816 H Street
Suite 244
Sacramento, CA 95814
ph: 916-558-6915
fax: 916-558-6920
leonardpadillabountyhunter@yahoo.com (leonardpadillabountyhunter@yahoo.com)

http://www.leonardpadilla.net/contact_us

Thankyou!

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta-

Don't know if you saw this one, but it wqas on David Lohr's blog-

"ID Exclusive: Criminal Profiler Calls Casey Anthony "Dark Damsel"

In an effort to understand the psyche of Casey Anthony, Investigation Discovery enrolled the help of Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, a renowned criminal profiler who has over 20 years experience in profiling everything from serial murders to aberrant sex crimes. In 1999, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin profiled the BTK serial killer. Years later, when Dennis Rader was arrested for the crimes, the profile proved to be a shockingly accurate reflection of the killer.

According to Dr. Schurman-Kauflin, Casey Anthony is a "dark damsel" who is seemingly ignoring the disappearance of her 2-year-old child, Caylee Anthony.

"The hallmark of a good predator is that she constantly tells lies. If you clutter the truth with enough of what's false, no one can tell what is real," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "This is why the female offender keeps everyone guessing with deception. Keep people chasing their tails, and they don't have the time to fight you. You will often find female offenders are remarkably good at making people do what they want. They are especially skilled at manipulating men. Women know there is more than one way to make a man wild. She can seduce him. She can lead him in circles. When that fails, she can kill. Seduce-circle-kill."

By examining Anthony's behavioral patterns, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that her true self will become visible and it will become easier to predict her actions.

"In her eyes, those close to her are mere things that can be tossed in the trash when they get in the way. Follow her men, and you will follow her thinking. What that means is female predators are especially driven by their need to feel sexual and appealing. They need their men more than they need their families. Male attention is exciting, while family is judgmental. Men build her ego, but their children tear it down. What feeds her ego? If you figure this out, you figure her out. Seduce-circle-kill."

In regards to the trail of lies surrounding the case, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that they suggest Anthony is desperate for attention.

"She went toward excitement and lied when it suited her," she said, adding, "Lies surround her. Truth looks very hard to find here."

Unfortunately, determining what happened to Caylee is not as clear-cut.

"It is unclear at this point what happened to Caylee. However, what is clear is that Ms. Anthony did not put Caylee first when the child disappeared," Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said. "She did not do her best to help police find the responsibility [child] that had taken so much of her life. There have been rumors that she partied while her child faded into the night. Finally, she comes across as angry that people care more for her missing child than her. Her pattern comes across very clear. She put herself first, at least when it came to her disappearing baby."

In summary, Dr. Schurman-Kauflin said that if Anthony's patter of behaviors is followed, the truth behind Caylee's disappearance will be revealed.

Visit Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin's Website at: www.drdsk.com"


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/07/id-exclusive-cr.html


Hope it helps!

Lohr had a couple of articles citing DSK's analysis last summer. I love reading what the shrink types have to say about demeanor and behavior and wish/hope they'll take a crack at G&C. (Especially after the depositions. Whack. Whack I tell you!)

[Amy]

Found you one, Loretta!

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/4/10/body_language_reveals_george_cindy_anthony39s_emot ions.html

I can think of one solution for these people who are near their breaking point. It is really a simple one, but I suppose hard to get to that place--and that would be to come absolutely clean. Cut to the chase, get rid of the half-truths and mistruths. Forget what "clues" Casey was giving in their convo's and just tell the whole unvarnished truth. (And I'm betting, in spite of Cindy saying that they did not talk when Casey was out on bail--I'm betting they did, they probably have some info right there--the question would be whether or not Casey was truthful @ that point.)

[deacon]

For sure Amy-the truth shall set u free. I held out that G might-especially after his suicide attempt-not sure what to call it these day's. Once again G chose to stick with the Liar's. I am sure C probably pounded Liar with questions but I'll bet Liar pounded back with anger and her usual word salad talk. Or perhaps a clue that would send C away to ponder and leave her alone. These people cant handle the truth. Trial will take care of that but i am sure G&C will go to their grave's proclaiming Liar's innocence. Makes ya kinda wanna beat the truth outa folks like these doesn't it. MOO

I am beginning to doubt that was a true attempt. Normally, men who really want to end their life don't mess it up. We tend to use fire arms and the bullet normally goes to the head.

I really, honestly think it was an attention, excuse to not do the deposition thing. Of course, it didn't work but I truely believe it was that.:mad:

[deacon]

Did your computer start smoking when you put CASEY and TRUTHFUL in the same sentence?

Mine would have revolted and refused to do it.:beer:

[Gatordog]

Okay, we need to unite in this cause. Oprah is going to have the Ants on her show. I am going to write and say it's not a good idea. these people are nothing but liars and trying to frame others for their daughter's crimes.


http://www.wftv.com/news/19166427/detail.html

https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220

[deacon]

I agree Deacon-just not sure what to call it. Yes men tend to pick a more man method of suicide-for lack of better words. As i said before-if he wanted to do it-he would have done it-then i thought perhaps a cry for help-I dont even buy that one now. They are all nutbars so full of drama. MOO

I tend to lean toward thinking that would get them out of the deposition. A kind of "cover your rear" thing. The attitiude at the deposition is what makes me lean that way. He got on the stand obnoxious. He never had any intention of testifying in an adult manner. They seem to think they can show their rear ends and people will leave them alone. Not going to happen and I am sort of tired of seeing their rear ends.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, we need to unite in this cause. Oprah is going to have the Ants on her show. I am going to write and say it's not a good idea. these people are nothing but liars and trying to frame others for their daughter's crimes.


http://www.wftv.com/news/19166427/detail.html

https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220

YEA! Another reason not to watch Oprah! (As if that's necessary.) Hope she and Cindy don't get all tangled up trying to pat themselves on the back. :rolleyes: Someone should call ahead and notify the producer to have the shoulder immobilizers ready.

[Gatordog]

I sent my email. I wrote that Cindy and George did not deserve the airtime. They lied to police, tried to throw them off course, tried to frame others, and are just horrible people. I suggested they use the time for the families of true missing children. These people know who murdered their granddaughter but are covering up or framing others. I also said Texas Equus search deserved the time as they are a wonderful organization whose only goal is to help families; not lie to police.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hey Nawny, I'm still laughing over those shoes!

Gator

[Amy]

Did your computer start smoking when you put CASEY and TRUTHFUL in the same sentence?

Come to think of it....it did start acting strange, but I didn't really notice smoke. :biggrin:

[Amy]

Okay, we need to unite in this cause. Oprah is going to have the Ants on her show. I am going to write and say it's not a good idea. these people are nothing but liars and trying to frame others for their daughter's crimes.


http://www.wftv.com/news/19166427/detail.html

https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220

I don't watch Oprah. Wonder if she is sympathetic to the A's and their situation, (she would certainly have to let them think so, in order for them to agree to be on, I would think.) Or, if she is going to push their buttons and let their normal ugly selves be seen on national television once again?

[deputydi]

Okay, we need to unite in this cause. Oprah is going to have the Ants on her show. I am going to write and say it's not a good idea. these people are nothing but liars and trying to frame others for their daughter's crimes.


http://www.wftv.com/news/19166427/detail.html

https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220

Just sent my email.

[lorettalockhorn]

I hope folks who have tickets to her show in May will boycott the whole d/a/m month. What the hay is wrong with Oprah-resorting to Spingerism and Mauryism :cuss: Can u just imagine it-you can ask us this but not that and yadayadayada. First class air,penthouse suite and lobster awaiting. :flamemad: They have nothing to add we have not already heard-what the hay are they going to discuss for an hour-C rambling???? :flamemad:

I think Oprah has some sort of Messiah complex, but you're right, it could easily turn into Springer, Maury or The Three Stooges.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2elb62d.jpg
You shut up! No! YOU shut up!!

[deacon]

I think Oprah has some sort of Messiah complex, but you're right, it could easily turn into Springer, Maury or The Three Stooges.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2elb62d.jpg
You shut up! No! YOU shut up!!

That must be cindy in the middle.:biggrin:

[shadydaisy]

I tend to lean toward thinking that would get them out of the deposition. A kind of "cover your rear" thing. The attitiude at the deposition is what makes me lean that way. He got on the stand obnoxious. He never had any intention of testifying in an adult manner. They seem to think they can show their rear ends and people will leave them alone. Not going to happen and I am sort of tired of seeing their rear ends.

I wonder if it was C's idea. She thinks he's weak and will break under pressure and thought he might get out of the deposition because of the "attempt". I agree, men who commit suicide generally tend to be thorough. They don't take a couple of pills and text people. I think it may have been a play for sympathy. C has always been obnoxious and G equalled her in his depo.

I sent my email to Oprah, too.

[Native Alien]

My email is off to Oprah. Let's hope that she or her staff listens.

[lorettalockhorn]

That must be cindy in the middle.:biggrin:

Yes, she's the one choking the peewaddle&doo out of Curly/Casey. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if it was C's idea. She thinks he's weak and will break under pressure and thought he might get out of the deposition because of the "attempt". I agree, men who commit suicide generally tend to be thorough. They don't take a couple of pills and text people. I think it may have been a play for sympathy. C has always been obnoxious and G equalled her in his depo.

I sent my email to Oprah, too.

Men are much more likely to eat a gun. I'd give a pretty penny to know what George's tox screen and BAL was. Knowing what a trickster he is, he probably put most of his beer and pills down the drain.

[deacon]

Men are much more likely to eat a gun. I'd give a pretty penny to know what George's tox screen and BAL was. Knowing what a trickster he is, he probably put most of his beer and pills down the drain.

Pills, yes, beer, no. That was to escape the reality of having to go back home one day.:D

[One2Snoop]

Looking at the past videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r-fEk_pdo0&feature=related

Now that was a trip down memory lane :seeya:

:eek: Sure was! And to think, George even thought his daughters behavior back then was bizarre. What happened George? :punch:

[One2Snoop]

Okay, we need to unite in this cause. Oprah is going to have the Ants on her show. I am going to write and say it's not a good idea. these people are nothing but liars and trying to frame others for their daughter's crimes.


http://www.wftv.com/news/19166427/detail.html

https://www.oprah.com/plugform.jsp?plugId=220

Oh Gag! http://i44.tinypic.com/2cpvn8h.gif I predict we'll see a lot of this going on... http://i43.tinypic.com/2qncb5i.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/11jvlu8.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/j8jif7.gif

[Gatordog]

I think Oprah has some sort of Messiah complex, but you're right, it could easily turn into Springer, Maury or The Three Stooges.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2elb62d.jpg
You shut up! No! YOU shut up!!

Holy Moley! Cindy does look a little like Moe!

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Oprah's Harpo productions is associated with ABC, who were so darn nice to the Anthony's with the Ritz and all. (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117955810.html?categoryid=14&cs=1 ; http://www.orlandosentinel.com/community/news/southofdowntown/orl-anthonys2009feb20,0,1265151.story )

Follow the money...its all about the money for them all...

Yeah, instead of taking blood money, maybe the adamANTly innocent G&C will spend time in hotels and restaurANTs on ABC's nickel.

[lorettalockhorn]

Holy Moley! Cindy does look a little like Moe!

Gator

It's the eyebrows! (And the chokehold.)

[Gatordog]

I wonder if it was C's idea. She thinks he's weak and will break under pressure and thought he might get out of the deposition because of the "attempt". I agree, men who commit suicide generally tend to be thorough. They don't take a couple of pills and text people. I think it may have been a play for sympathy. C has always been obnoxious and G equalled her in his depo.

I sent my email to Oprah, too.

Let's not forget that he also vomited which means he probably did not absorb much of the drugs at all.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Yeah, instead of taking blood money, maybe the adamANTly innocent G&C will spend time in hotels and restaurANTs on ABC's nickel.

Probably have more pictures and videos to sell for licensing fees. Maybe she's finished her book and wants to get it on Oprah's list.

Gator

[Zingo]

And when you add the fact that he's correcting the pronunciation of an imaginary nickname for a non-existent person, welcome to Planet Boggle. Oh, and George? Casey spells it Zani.

http://i2.tinypic.com/52crwqu.jpg
Or should that be...Harvi?

Happy Easter, everyone!


You said it, Java! LOL.

The attorney should have said: "Mr. Anthony, I'm sorry. It's just hard for me to pronounce the imaginary nickname of someone who doesn't exist."

Can you "imagine" the look on George's face?

[deacon]

You said it, Java! LOL.

The attorney should have said: "Mr. Anthony, I'm sorry. It's just hard for me to pronounce the imaginary nickname of someone who doesn't exist."

Can you "imagine" the look on George's face?

People seem to nit pick when they only have lies to tell.

[deacon]

It's on another thread-HLN-did anyone else hear-DP for Casey?

Just read it on Fox Orlando. About time.

[Amy]

Thanx for confirming. Hope the Ant's dont react publicly-I may puke :tongue:

They will--if not before their Oprah airing, they will then. Unless, of course, the email protest gets that little segment canceled. Wonder if it's already been taped? Is Oprah live or taped?

[One2Snoop]

State To Seek Death Penalty In Casey Anthony Case

Posted: 4:30 pm EDT April 13, 2009Updated: 5:17 pm EDT April 13, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony could be put to death for the murder of her daughter Caylee. Late Monday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned the State Attorney's Office will be pursuing the death penalty in the case against Casey.

READ: State's Notice Of Intent To Seek Death Penalty
http://www.wftv.com/blank/19169222/detail.html

The State Attorney's Office filed a notice of intent stating the decision Monday. The state had previously decided not to pursue the death penalty, but that was before Caylee's remains were found.

"Based upon additional information that has become available since the waiver of intent to seek the penalty of death filed on December 5, 2008, sufficient aggravating circumstances exist to justify the imposition of the Death Penalty," the filed letter stated.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Baez Not Qualified To Defend In Death Penalty Case

http://www.wesh.com/news/19168682/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

State To Seek Death Penalty In Casey Anthony Case

Posted: 4:30 pm EDT April 13, 2009Updated: 5:17 pm EDT April 13, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony could be put to death for the murder of her daughter Caylee. Late Monday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned the State Attorney's Office will be pursuing the death penalty in the case against Casey.

READ: State's Notice Of Intent To Seek Death Penalty
http://www.wftv.com/blank/19169222/detail.html

The State Attorney's Office filed a notice of intent stating the decision Monday. The state had previously decided not to pursue the death penalty, but that was before Caylee's remains were found.

"Based upon additional information that has become available since the waiver of intent to seek the penalty of death filed on December 5, 2008, sufficient aggravating circumstances exist to justify the imposition of the Death Penalty," the filed letter stated.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html#-

http://i26.tinypic.com/35bxf1s.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

She is scary looking thats for sure especially when she gets all wide eyed,smirking and those terrible looking brows all knitted. Her gum smacking makes me totally crazed. She is even uglier inside. Nasty Nasty MOO :hat:

Sometimes, I think she is totally, absolutely insane. She gets a look in her eyes that reminds me of Charles Manson. Mad as a hatter, IMO. JMO

[Gatordog]

It's on another thread-HLN-did anyone else hear-DP for Casey?

YES - YES - WFTV just reported the DEATH PENALTY IS BACK!

The State's Attorney has filed motions for the death penalty.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

That was my instinct, too. Morgan and his fine crew must just be enjoying their Easter. Casey has nothing to get (maybe, depending on how the money is hidden) But Cindy, now...Zenaida has more payback options after that depo, imo.

Could you believe how arrogant she was while implicating herself? clueless as to what she was doing...

That was one thing that made me want to slap that smug look off her face and snatch her bald headed. Her high-handed arrogance infuriates me. How can she forget that a precious 2 year old child died and was left to rot in a field? Somebody needs to pay.

[Native Alien]

I have a feeling that they took it off the table to give her a chance to plea bargain and when she hasn't they put it back on. I wouldn't look for the prosecution to accept any deals from her now.

On another note in the Candu case they are now saying that the child was possibly raped.

[Justice Denied?]

Yes, I agree Gonzale was written by the Sawgrass employee. Yes I saw her face she looked crazed Gator! Absolutely crazed!! Yes and she herself warned someone (forgot who) to stay away from Casey because she is a sociopath! Remember that?

I heard last night, (you probably did too) when Jane asked the lawyer who questioned Cindy if this was over yet. He said no, George has to come back. George was a real jerk too! His mocking the attorney was making me so mad! He was making faces like Cindy makes. He was a bit dramatic too wasn't he? He was looking for a free ticket with all that "Don't do that to me" stuff. Who does this sh!t? When a person is in grief, the usual action is sad and very quiet. Yes, no answers... not too much communication. We all know what grief looks like and I didn't see it in them. God forgive me, I know they are in pain but they using it to hurt others. Not good.

They were both acting. You could see it was all fake. Neither of them was as mad as they pretended and neither of them was feeling the amount of grief or sorrow they pretended. It was like a script and G didn't know his part very well. He would start to answer questions and then realize he wasn't supposed to. Cindy thinks she can outsmart LE and the lawyers, but if she is not careful, she is going to end up facing charges herself. Disgusting!

[Native Alien]

I think that this is a case of it isn't what we know that is important, it is what we don't know that is important.

For instance we don't have all the toxicology back, we don't have all the physical evidence reports back, and I still think that there is also interviews out there that we don't know about.

The toxicology would include the contents of the syringe that they found in the bottle, physical evidence would include the duct tape evidence.

[browneyes106]

I just read about the Ants being on Oprah. I will send email in awhile. I think maybe if Oprah's staff does the research deeply into this case the Ants might not be on the show. I think the research staff will probably find out about Casey's lies and how the nanny doesn't exist.

[Amy]

Wonder if Liar's commissary order will go up or down based on today's news. Hmmmm :eek:

I would say up or @ the least remain the same. Seems there are some people who are for the underdog, no matter the underdog's participation in a crime of any sort.

[Justice Denied?]

I'll bet you a pack of Salem Full FLavor they are chewing Nicoret gum. It is very addictive. However, chewing it in court is a sign of exreme disrespect, according to the talking shrink on NG last night. I'd say so! They are baby boomers and they were taught that in school, church, and almost everywhere else. Those people are ignorant to the max.

The only reason I stopped chewing it is, I couldn't light it up.

I'm going to go crawl up those stairs now. Honest! ;)

When I was a young girl, we were told, "Ladies don't chew gum". Period. No questions! Of course, we were also told we should only smoke in the privacy of our own homes. This was just before Women's Lib, when everything when KaPluey. No more hats and white gloves!

[browneyes106]

Wonder if Liar's commissary order will go up or down based on today's news. Hmmmm :eek:

I just read a recent article about Casey have over $400 dollars in her jail account. I wish the strangers giving her money would donate their money instead to food banks or organizations that help people who have lost jobs in this bad economy. A law abiding citizen deserves more money for basic food and drinks more than a child murderer who spends her commissary money on ponytail holders, candy, pastries, snacks and other little things.

From 2003 to 2005 I had one cousin and two friends from high school who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are no longer in the military but during their deployments I would send them bimonthly care packages. I did this mainly because I was inspired by my father who served in Vietnam. My father grew up in a small community in New Mexico and during the time of tour in Vietnam the town was having financial struggles. My father said that almost monthly he received care packages from townspeople. His care packages consisted mostly of baked goods but my father appreciated everything he got. When my cousin and friends were deployed I made it a habit of sending them packages. I bought them their favorite candies, batteries, magazines, books, and small toys. I did this because they were serving me and the citizens of this country and I wanted them to enjoy something despite their surroundings. A few months ago I found treatsfortroops.com in which soldiers place ads saying what kind of stuff interests them and people can shop for carepackages for them. TFT then packs the goods and ships them to the troops. I bought packages for three soldiers from my state. These men and women serving our country should be given snacks, and small items. Also with the economy in our country many need and deserve help.
$400 could have the done following
-4 financially struggling families could have used $100 each to help feed their families
-20 DVD's could have been purchased for U.S. military groups to watch and enjoy some entertainment during their deployments
-4 jobless men could have purchased used suits for job interviews with $400
-$400 could have purchased many calling cards for U.S. troops to call home
These are a just few examples of what the amount of money placed in a baby killer's account could have been used for instead of being placed in a jail account.

The only people I could see having a commissary accounts are people in jail for misdemeanor cases or non homicide/death cases.

[sharlock]

It's on another thread-HLN-did anyone else hear-DP for Casey?
Wow I just read that too. this changes the ballgame so to speak. I can't get excited about this because I am personally against the DP but still there needs to be justice done for Caylee.

[browneyes106]

They are talking about it on NG

[sharlock]

I just read a recent article about Casey have over $400 dollars in her jail account. I wish the strangers giving her money would donate their money instead to food banks or organizations that help people who have lost jobs in this bad economy. A law abiding citizen deserves more money for basic food and drinks more than a child murderer who spends her commissary money on ponytail holders, candy, pastries, snacks and other little things.

From 2003 to 2005 I had one cousin and two friends from high school who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are no longer in the military but during their deployments I would send them bimonthly care packages. I did this mainly because I was inspired by my father who served in Vietnam. My father grew up in a small community in New Mexico and during the time of tour in Vietnam the town was having financial struggles. My father said that almost monthly he received care packages from townspeople. His care packages consisted mostly of baked goods but my father appreciated everything he got. When my cousin and friends were deployed I made it a habit of sending them packages. I bought them their favorite candies, batteries, magazines, books, and small toys. I did this because they were serving me and the citizens of this country and I wanted them to enjoy something despite their surroundings. A few months ago I found treatsfortroops.com in which soldiers place ads saying what kind of stuff interests them and people can shop for carepackages for them. TFT then packs the goods and ships them to the troops. I bought packages for three soldiers from my state. These men and women serving our country should be given snacks, and small items. Also with the economy in our country many need and deserve help.
$400 could have the done following
-4 financially struggling families could have used $100 each to help feed their families
-20 DVD's could have been purchased for U.S. military groups to watch and enjoy some entertainment during their deployments
-4 jobless men could have purchased used suits for job interviews with $400
-$400 could have purchased many calling cards for U.S. troops to call home
These are a just few examples of what the amount of money placed in a baby killer's account could have been used for instead of being placed in a jail account.

The only people I could see having a commissary accounts are people in jail for misdemeanor cases or non homicide/death cases.

You are sooo right. I am amazed that people choose to send Casey, who has never gone without anything in her entire life, money to buy candy and treats; while families are struggleing to feed their children. Priorities here are all mixed up imo.

[SuzDuJour]

I keep seeing Jose at the last hearing for Casey, with that smug Cindy-smirk on his face leaning over to the DA asking, "Are you okay"...and the FURIOUS DA answering "no".

Death penalty is back...he's clearly saying, "I'm OKAY now, Jose..."

[browneyes106]

You are sooo right. I am amazed that people choose to send Casey, who has never gone without anything in her entire life, money to buy candy and treats; while families are struggleing to feed their children. Priorities here are all mixed up imo.

I agree priorities are definitely mixed up and people can be pretty ignorant to those who really need help. My family struggled at times when I was growing up but we always had food, clothes and basic stuff. But I have seen some people in really bad situations like the families living in the tent city in California and sometime back in my city there was a single dad and his five children were living in a friend's old RV and there are families in homeless shelters. The company I work for is doing weekly food collections for food banks. I would rather spend any extra money to help give families a few food items.

[browneyes106]

Now this is one post i will never forget reading-thank you for that. So true. Yes why should people who commit such crimes be allowed such things. When my nephew was in the U.S. Navy he always wanted chips ahoy cookies and white tube socks-I forget why the tube socks. Sometimes no matter how well i packed them the cookies would arrive very crumbled-he ate them and appreciated them anyway. No better folk than the fine men and women who serve their country :rose:

Your welcome. Your post really made me think about the article I read about the jail account and how I felt the other day when I thought about struggling families and the men and women serving in Iraq. One time I sent my cousin some of my mom's homemade bizcochito cookies and they arrived crumbled too but he said he loved a having a taste of home. People serving the U.S. military forces deserve more treats and items than Casey does.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree priorities are definitely mixed up and people can be pretty ignorant to those who really need help. My family struggled at times when I was growing up but we always had food, clothes and basic stuff. But I have seen some people in really bad situations like the families living in the tent city in California and sometime back in my city there was a single dad and his five children were living in a friend's old RV and there are families in homeless shelters. The company I work for is doing weekly food collections for food banks. I would rather spend any extra money to help give families a few food items.

Great posts today BE, and God bless you for your caring. When I see that people are contributing to Casey I like to think that it's in addition to what they may be contributing to actual worthy cause(s).

[Justice Denied?]

Your welcome. Your post really made me think about the article I read about the jail account and how I felt the other day when I thought about struggling families and the men and women serving in Iraq. One time I sent my cousin some of my mom's homemade bizcochito cookies and they arrived crumbled too but he said he loved a having a taste of home. People serving the U.S. military forces deserve more treats and items than Casey does.

I also am fed up with hearing about Casey's commissary account.

Just a hint for those who send cookies to troops. If you pack them in pringles cans, they do pretty well. O/T, I know.

[deputydi]

State To Seek Death Penalty In Casey Anthony Case

Posted: 4:30 pm EDT April 13, 2009Updated: 5:17 pm EDT April 13, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony could be put to death for the murder of her daughter Caylee. Late Monday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned the State Attorney's Office will be pursuing the death penalty in the case against Casey.

READ: State's Notice Of Intent To Seek Death Penalty
http://www.wftv.com/blank/19169222/detail.html

The State Attorney's Office filed a notice of intent stating the decision Monday. The state had previously decided not to pursue the death penalty, but that was before Caylee's remains were found.

"Based upon additional information that has become available since the waiver of intent to seek the penalty of death filed on December 5, 2008, sufficient aggravating circumstances exist to justify the imposition of the Death Penalty," the filed letter stated.

http://www.wftv.com/news/19169044/detail.html#-
I don't want to sound bloodthirsty, but this is the news I think we have all been waiting for. Let the jury decide the punishment!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone remember who the DP lawyer was brought on board the team if needed way back when? Was he not somewhat of a mystery in that they wouldn't give his name? Something to that effect. Way too much here to remember for this gal.

Lenemen? Mark Eiglarsh seemed to thing Team Baez will bring him back in to sit first chair.

ETA: Leneman?

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't want to sound bloodthirsty, but this is the news I think we have all been waiting for. Let the jury decide the punishment!!!

S'ok. I don't mind sounding bloodthirsty for all of us. Agree that the jury can make the learned decision. (And I don't agree with whichever TH stated that only conservatives are pro-death.)

[deputydi]

S'ok. I don't mind sounding bloodthirsty for all of us. Agree that the jury can make the learned decision. (And I don't agree with whichever TH stated that only conservatives are pro-death.)
Hey, I'm a liberal (although not as militant as I was in the '70s) and I do believe the death penalty has its place in certain circumstances. This case -- definitely -- and another one is the guy in Pgh who ambushed and killed three police officers. Oh, and for the Sunday School teacher who murdered little Sandra Cantu.

[DrewBerry]

Sometimes, I think she is totally, absolutely insane. She gets a look in her eyes that reminds me of Charles Manson. Mad as a hatter, IMO. JMO

Hi JD: She is one piece of work isn't she? I would love to hear one of the body language experts address that damn gum chewing and the rage she spews at everyone but the Liar and murderer.Her viciousness and self-righteousness is disgusting. I can't believe Oprah is actually going to allow these people to get more air time. I'm disappointed in the big O!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

S'ok. I don't mind sounding bloodthirsty for all of us. Agree that the jury can make the learned decision. (And I don't agree with whichever TH stated that only conservatives are pro-death.)

I'm with all the rest of bloodthirsty folks! Couldn't have heard better news and I'm not conservative in the least.
Finally, the prosecutor's got some balls! Can't wait to see these sychophANTS go down! The entire family are liars, liars, liars!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Maybe she'll shock us all and go for the jugular. I haven't watched her in over 10 years-does she ever rough guests up?

Hey, Java. Hope you're right and maybe, just maybe, Oprah will actually ask the right questions and put the Liars in the hot-seat!
DrewB

[DrewBerry]

Just heard Sue Moss on NG. Re: Jose Baez not qualified to try a DP case. "Outta the way, Jose!" She doesn't speak nearly enough but when she does, she comes up with some spot-on remarks! She cracks me up.

[DrewBerry]

Uh-Huh! Thumbs Up!http://i41.tinypic.com/2dm78g6.jpg

Hi OS! Good one. This is quite the news day isn't it?!

[DrewBerry]

Come on, who's not going to miss Jose? I for one am sad that the sun is setting on his career, I mean, involvement in this case.

Can you imagine what its going to be like for an outside lawyer to step in and try to unravel what is going on here?!

OMG! How are the Ants going to afford any lawyer that would take this mess on? I don't get it.

[Amy]

OMG! How are the Ants going to afford any lawyer that would take this mess on? I don't get it.


I guess it depends on whether or not there really is a Casey defense fund, and how much there might be in it--but the A's don't have to be responsible to pay for her defense--she can be declared indigent and have a court appointed attorney take it on, IMO. (Court appointed attorneys don't have a choice in the matter, unless they can find an issue relating to conflict of interest.)

[lorettalockhorn]

??? Conservatives are a pesky bunch but I don't think they're pro death. I'll go call my conservative friend in Ca.
I am more than sure he'll answer me. LOL!!! He's so annoying.

Nawny may look like a Republican, and drive a Republican car, but she is a die hard Democrat. :patriot:

HAHAHA I'm a yellow dog Democrat and drive an Escalade, but support mostly liberal causes (at least according to our snooty CPA!). :hat:

[Native Alien]

I haven't gone back and read the page before this one, having said that,
ya'll might want to read the transcript of Larry King Live from last evening.

That redhaired woman Joy, I think it is, was subbing for him and she was talking about the Candu case among others.

[shadydaisy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515397,00.html

I'm guessing they have a lot more information than has been released. I hope so, and good for them.

[deacon]

Do you suppose that this is a little pay-back? Bozo tried to recuse(sp) the prosecutor and they know that he isn't qualified to try a DP case?

Maybe a new lawyer with undamaged eyes will see that he doesn't have a chance and talk her into a plea deal.

Die Hard redneck here. Neither a donkey or an elephant. I decide on the issures not what some dishonest politician tells me. I really don't think I need a TH tell me what to believe. There are some liberal issues I believe in and there are some conservative issues I believe in. I guess that puts me in the "undecided" category?:biggrin:

[Avad1228]

The comments I have seen are that they put this on the table to force a plea deal from the liar/killer. I hope that is not so since I dont think she will break. I am concerned that Florida has only put a couple of woman on death row--the strategy could backfire and she could walk. That would be tragic. I am hoping they have far better evidence than they have released and will put life in prison as an option at trial. Casey is till young and a jury may have a hard time giving her death.

[NMurphy02]

I'm so bad I wish they would charge the Anthony's with something. I can't stand those people. They should be punished just for being them!

[deputydi]

The comments I have seen are that they put this on the table to force a plea deal from the liar/killer. I hope that is not so since I dont think she will break. I am concerned that Florida has only put a couple of woman on death row--the strategy could backfire and she could walk. That would be tragic. I am hoping they have far better evidence than they have released and will put life in prison as an option at trial. Casey is till young and a jury may have a hard time giving her death.
Just because the dp is back as an option for the jury doesn't mean they have to sentence her to death or let her walk. She's going to be convicted and the jury will now have the choice of LWOP or putting her to sleep permanently. I have no problem with either and I'm glad the pros is letting the jury decide her fate.

[Amy]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515397,00.html

I'm guessing they have a lot more information than has been released. I hope so, and good for them.

So, wonder if Baez is saying they are going to try to get the DP off the table prior to the trial (and not in a plea, still going to trial) or is he saying, during the trial they will prove to the jury it's not a DP case? And, who the heck is he kidding? It's been a DP eligible case from the beginning!!!

[eatcupcakes]

The the most reasonable reason is because the proscution has something really damming against Casey. All other BS is just so the Cable TV shows have something to talk about. JVM is stealing NG thunder every night, they don't need both of these shows. They talk about the same news items but just have different guest. I only watch the first 4 minutes of each and then I am out of there. Its done for entertainment folks. They are TV shows after all.

I got news for the talking heads no one is gonna force this Liar to plea. U can tell by all of their behaviosr from, Lee, Mom, Dad and Liar that they feel they are better then everyone else and above the law. I don't really get steamed up when I see the Liar or Bozo because I know she is gonna be found guilty but her Mom and Dad really get me angry. WHo do they think they are. They think they should be treated special and not made to give a deposition. And they are now lying and saying they had ZG phone number. They think everyone is stupid, if they had the phone number why didn't they call it, Hello. I have had it up to here with Cindy and George.

Oprah allowing them to be on her show gives them another platform to sway the viewers with their lies. What is wrong with her. She should know better. I am going to send her an email right now.

[Amy]

Do you suppose that this is a little pay-back? Bozo tried to recuse(sp) the prosecutor and they know that he isn't qualified to try a DP case?

Maybe a new lawyer with undamaged eyes will see that he doesn't have a chance and talk her into a plea deal.

Die Hard redneck here. Neither a donkey or an elephant. I decide on the issures not what some dishonest politician tells me. I really don't think I need a TH tell me what to believe. There are some liberal issues I believe in and there are some conservative issues I believe in. I guess that puts me in the "undecided" category?:biggrin:

Conservative redneck here. But I don't always agree with the Republicans, nor the Democrats. I decide by issues, too. I HATE the so-called analyses after any kind of speech by a President or other high-ranking politician. I HEARD the speech. I don't need every syllable of every word "explained" to me by someone who has his/her own agenda on the subject.

[Amy]

The comments I have seen are that they put this on the table to force a plea deal from the liar/killer. I hope that is not so since I dont think she will break. I am concerned that Florida has only put a couple of woman on death row--the strategy could backfire and she could walk. That would be tragic. I am hoping they have far better evidence than they have released and will put life in prison as an option at trial. Casey is till young and a jury may have a hard time giving her death.

Surely the DP will be one of the options of the sentencing, the jury would still have to option of LWOP, I imagine even life WITH parole, or something like, 40 to life or 25 to live. Usually, there isn't just one sentencing option.

Just like there is usually (but not always) more than one option of degree of murder.

[NMurphy02]

The the most reasonable reason is because the proscution has something really damming against Casey. All other BS is just so the Cable TV shows have something to talk about. JVM is stealing NG thunder every night, they don't need both of these shows. They talk about the same news items but just have different guest. I only watch the first 4 minutes of each and then I am out of there. Its done for entertainment folks. They are TV shows after all.

I got news for the talking heads no one is gonna force this Liar to plea. U can tell by all of their behaviosr from, Lee, Mom, Dad and Liar that they feel they are better then everyone else and above the law. I don't really get steamed up when I see the Liar or Bozo because I know she is gonna be found guilty but her Mom and Dad really get me angry. WHo do they think they are. They think they should be treated special and not made to give a deposition. And they are now lying and saying they had ZG phone number. They think everyone is stupid, if they had the phone number why didn't they call it, Hello. I have had it up to here with Cindy and George.

Oprah allowing them to be on her show gives them another platform to sway the viewers with their lies. What is wrong with her. She should know better. I am going to send her an email right now.


Ditto, ditto and ditto! Last night I wanted to call in (though I can never make it through) and tell those stupid defense attorney's, Scott Peterson anyone? HELLOOOO..the same was being said about him. And where is he now?

[NMurphy02]

They are, every day. Just not in a way that we find satisfying!

True, just not enough for me. Of course when all this is said and done, they get to live themselves.

[browneyes106]

I also am fed up with hearing about Casey's commissary account.

Just a hint for those who send cookies to troops. If you pack them in pringles cans, they do pretty well. O/T, I know.

I can't stand to hear about it either but it keeps popping up on NG and news articles. Back in October when people started putting money in the account I was bugged by in the recent months with people losing jobs, homes and money it makes me mad that there are people who choose to give money to a person in jail that is charged with a sick crime. I wish I knew about pringles can when I sent the cookies. Good tip though I will pass to anyone I know who is sending care packages.

[browneyes106]

Just heard Sue Moss on NG. Re: Jose Baez not qualified to try a DP case. "Outta the way, Jose!" She doesn't speak nearly enough but when she does, she comes up with some spot-on remarks! She cracks me up.

That was pretty funny.

[browneyes106]

I'm so bad I wish they would charge the Anthony's with something. I can't stand those people. They should be punished just for being them!

They should definitely be charged with something that have lied to LE a bunch of times. I can sort of see Amy Huizienga and Jesse Grund suing them in the future.

[NMurphy02]

They should definitely be charged with something that have lied to LE a bunch of times. I can sort of see Amy Huizienga and Jesse Grund suing them in the future.


Even if they don't get anything, it would be worth it for people in the future to keep their mouths shut. Plus I'd love to see George and Cindy choking on their stupid accusations.

[browneyes106]

Yes great tip!! It seems those stupid news items come up when news is slow. Maybe it will go away now that there is something else for the TH's to discuss. I am just going to sit back and have faith that this will play out as it should. I try to take the defense spin with a grain of salt. We have not to date heard all of their evidence. I think they have some hard stuff we just dont know about yet. Liar will never plead cuz she would have to admit. Didn't take the bait last time. She can either fry or just die in prison-whatever the jury decides. I'm good with that. I think during the sentencing phase tho we are going to see the defense go after C to gain some sympathy for Liar. Lord knows what accusations may be made against lee and G. Isn't Karma wonderful? MOO

The news shows and the Florida newspapers basically need to focus on other things or they should give the case a break and not cover it soo much. There are couple of cases I wish NG would feature on her show one is the Travis Alexander murder case in Mesa, AZ and the other Pietrzak murders in San Diego. I think Casey's defense time will fail. I think instead of having the death penalty people like Casey should be sentenced to life and they be forced to have all four limbs in casts and be confined to a hospital bed wearing a diaper and cathether and they should be fed through nasal feeding tubes.

[browneyes106]

Even if they don't get anything, it would be worth it for people in the future to keep their mouths shut. Plus I'd love to see George and Cindy choking on their stupid accusations.

I agree they should do it even if they know they might not get anything. Cindy was a major moron to say that Amy or Jesse were the ones babysitting Caylee. Amy and Jesse probably have work records to dispell that.

[Gatordog]

I'm not very good with the LE system and its fits and starts regarding the laws. (Why I read this board, thank you)

I felt a little concerned tonight while watching NG. When one of the TH's mentioned the Williams guy being perhaps a "scape goat" as NG tagged him, and went on to say he will be used to provoke reasonable doubt. Then he went on to say he believed the DP was put back on the table to force liar to plead. And Lenard said as much. He said, that stuff the defense has could more or less, hurt the prosecution, so the DP might be being used to prevent more of that coming up.

NG was asking throughout the program why the DP was put back. This looks like we know less then LE is giving out. They must know for certain that she killed Caylee. But anything can be turned around.

The shoes with the dirt samples...? At first I was glad and thought it proved something. But then I thought how even that could be turned around. After all, her car broke down near the grave site. She called her boyfriend and might have been walking around and dirt from the site could have gotten on her shoes there. After all Caylee was only 15 feet from the street.

Even though a jury might want her to fry, they are committed to give a not guilty verdict if reasonable doubt is clearly defined and pointed out by the judge, right? Tell me I'm wrong.

I'm not happy.

Morning Nawny,

Reasonable doubt doesn't mean any doubt what so ever. When you consider the smell in the car, no one has seen a nanny, friends don't exist, lies, lies and more lies, matching duct tape on gas cans, same laundry bags and garbages bags as in the house, possible choloroform in car, Caylee never reported missing by the Liar, maggots in the car, dogs hitting on smell in back yard near pool, Body Farm reports, more evidence not yet released. There is no reasonable doubt.

Gator

[deputydi]

The the most reasonable reason is because the proscution has something really damming against Casey. All other BS is just so the Cable TV shows have something to talk about. JVM is stealing NG thunder every night, they don't need both of these shows. They talk about the same news items but just have different guest. I only watch the first 4 minutes of each and then I am out of there. Its done for entertainment folks. They are TV shows after all.

I got news for the talking heads no one is gonna force this Liar to plea. U can tell by all of their behaviosr from, Lee, Mom, Dad and Liar that they feel they are better then everyone else and above the law. I don't really get steamed up when I see the Liar or Bozo because I know she is gonna be found guilty but her Mom and Dad really get me angry. WHo do they think they are. They think they should be treated special and not made to give a deposition. And they are now lying and saying they had ZG phone number. They think everyone is stupid, if they had the phone number why didn't they call it, Hello. I have had it up to here with Cindy and George.

Oprah allowing them to be on her show gives them another platform to sway the viewers with their lies. What is wrong with her. She should know better. I am going to send her an email right now.
I'm doubling Murphy's ditto!!!

NO ONE is going to force the Queen of Makebelieve to admit anything. It is possible the pros will try to use this to bargain, but they won't get anywhere and I think they know that. It is definitely not their main motivation. They IMO have an airtight case against Casey and should never have taken away the dp in the first place.

Let the defense try to blame this on Amy or Jesse or anyone else she can think of -- it won't work and will just make her look more desperate and silly. Let them try to come up with some stupid explanation for all of the evidence the investigators have compiled. There is too much pointing directly at Casey and trying to convince the jury someone else planned this to implicate her is simply preposterous. The jury will see right through all of it. Remember Scott Peterson folks???

It is statistically true that juries don't convict women to death at the same rate they do men, but I think they just might make an exception here. One can hope.

[Gatordog]

I wish they would go after them too. Maybe they will yet?
It seems even if there is fact to exonerate G&C still spout off. Facts and evidence seem to elude these two. I wonder if maybe now that the DP is back it will shut them up??? Damage they have done is done and no amount of backpeddaling will garner any sympathy from anyone. It will be interesting to see G back for the depo-what his demeanor will be. They may have thought they were in control of the last one but it came back to bite them in the azzz-people despise them even more. Did anyone else catch this on NG last night-I had to chuckle. Woman calls in with a question and as per usual has to mention something about the twins-Nancy launches into a monologue about them and the woman cuts her off to ask her question. How refreshing is that? MOO

I wonder if the States's Attorney's decision to go for the Death Penalty has anything to do with G&C's discipable behavior at the deposition hearing? I thought that the DP might have been removed because C&G would have to testify against their daughter and they wanted to make it easy on them. Now I think LE's attitude is to hell with them. They are not cooperating, never have, never will. If anything, they need to face some charges of their own. It makes me wonder how the Judge is going to feel about moving the trial after the Ants have gone on Oprah and spilled their guts? If you ask me, the Judge need to put a stop to them appearing on national shows. You don't see any of the police officers or attorneys talking on local or nationa media. Only the defense is blabbing uncontrollably and shooting themselves in the foot in the process. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked019.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Gatordog]

I'm doubling Murphy's ditto!!!

NO ONE is going to force the Queen of Makebelieve to admit anything. It is possible the pros will try to use this to bargain, but they won't get anywhere and I think they know that. It is definitely not their main motivation. They IMO have an airtight case against Casey and should never have taken away the dp in the first place.

Let the defense try to blame this on Amy or Jesse or anyone else she can think of -- it won't work and will just make her look more desperate and silly. Let them try to come up with some stupid explanation for all of the evidence the investigators have compiled. There is too much pointing directly at Casey and trying to convince the jury someone else planned this to implicate her is simply preposterous. The jury will see right through all of it. Remember Scott Peterson folks???

It is statistically true that juries don't convict women to death at the same rate they do men, but I think they just might make an exception here. One can hope.

Juries in Florida have often recommended dealth penalties for women, it's after that they get overturned either by the Judge not giving it or it gets turned over on appeal. Just last month a woman on death row had the sentence changed to life in prison by the appeals court. :shrug:

Gator

[Amy]

I wonder if the States's Attorney's decision to go for the Death Penalty has anything to do with G&C's discipable behavior at the deposition hearing? I thought that the DP might have been removed because C&G would have to testify against their daughter and they wanted to make it easy on them. Now I think LE's attitude is to hell with them. They are not cooperating, never have, never will. If anything, they need to face some charges of their own. It makes me wonder how the Judge is going to feel about moving the trial after the Ants have gone on Oprah and spilled their guts? If you ask me, the Judge need to put a stop to them appearing on national shows. You don't see any of the police officers or attorneys talking on local or nationa media. Only the defense is blabbing uncontrollably and shooting themselves in the foot in the process. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked019.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

The official explanation is that the evidence they found since they found Caylee was enough to put the DP back on--and I don't have any reason to doubt them on that.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if the States's Attorney's decision to go for the Death Penalty has anything to do with G&C's discipable behavior at the deposition hearing? I thought that the DP might have been removed because C&G would have to testify against their daughter and they wanted to make it easy on them. Now I think LE's attitude is to hell with them. They are not cooperating, never have, never will. If anything, they need to face some charges of their own. It makes me wonder how the Judge is going to feel about moving the trial after the Ants have gone on Oprah and spilled their guts? If you ask me, the Judge need to put a stop to them appearing on national shows. You don't see any of the police officers or attorneys talking on local or nationa media. Only the defense is blabbing uncontrollably and shooting themselves in the foot in the process. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked019.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Can't imagine the prosecution acting in such a way that could be perceived as being so punative. I think they're taking note of the civil case, especially when Cindy drops tidbits like having several phone numbers and addresses for The Real Zanny, but it's more likely that after weighing the probative vs prejudicial evidence they have systematically arrived at the decision to ask for the death penalty.

I find it hard to believe that The State thinks that Casey will plea at this point; before the other half of the story is made known. I can imagine that they'll be glad to be shed of Baez and his ridiculous courtroom and public/media behavior.

ETA: The more G&C scramble and rewrite history and make false claims, the more guilty it makes Casey and themselves look.

[shadydaisy]

ETA: The more G&C scramble and rewrite history and make false claims, the more guilty it makes Casey and themselves look.

Loretta, you are right! C&G look guilty of hindering the investigation and still are hindering. Never mind all the false claims. Things might get interesting soon!

[deputydi]

Can't imagine the prosecution acting in such a way that could be perceived as being so punative. I think they're taking note of the civil case, especially when Cindy drops tidbits like having several phone numbers and addresses for The Real Zanny, but it's more likely that after weighing the probative vs prejudicial evidence they have systematically arrived at the decision to ask for the death penalty.

I find it hard to believe that The State thinks that Casey will plea at this point; before the other half of the story is made known. I can imagine that they'll be glad to be shed of Baez and his ridiculous courtroom and public/media behavior.

ETA: The more G&C scramble and rewrite history and make false claims, the more guilty it makes Casey and themselves look.
Agreed. I can't help but wonder why they dropped the dp in the first place. It is my understanding that in FL you only need one aggravating circumstance and they had that with Caylee's age. Any thoughts?

Cindy claiming to have Zanny's address and phone numbers made me nearly fall out of my chair. Don't these people think before they speak? She never called the number(s) and never drove to the address during the period she was frantic to know where Caylee was. She never told LE she knew where the babysitter lived. She won't be charged, but this lie IMO constitutes obstruction at the very least !!! I know this is redundant, but she perjured herself UNDER OATH and should be penalized for it.

If we are to believe Cindy, Zanny's address and several phone numbers are in an address book. Did she conveniently lose it after Caylee's little body was found or did she deliberately get rid of it? She admitted she never saw Zanny, talked to her or attempted to call her. Is that the action of a grandmother who is sick with worry about her 3 yr old granddaughter who hasn't been seen in weeks/months?

For this lie alone, Cindy should be her daughter's next door neighbor.

[lorettalockhorn]

Agreed. I can't help but wonder why they dropped the dp in the first place. It is my understanding that in FL you only need one aggravating circumstance and they had that with Caylee's age. Any thoughts?

Cindy claiming to have Zanny's address and phone numbers made me nearly fall out of my chair. Don't these people think before they speak? She never called the number(s) and never drove to the address during the period she was frantic to know where Caylee was. She never told LE she knew where the babysitter lived. She won't be charged, but this lie IMO constitutes obstruction at the very least !!! I know this is redundant, but she perjured herself UNDER OATH and should be penalized for it.

If we are to believe Cindy, Zanny's address and several phone numbers are in an address book. Did she conveniently lose it after Caylee's little body was found or did she deliberately get rid of it? She admitted she never saw Zanny, talked to her or attempted to call her. Is that the action of a grandmother who is sick with worry about her 3 yr old granddaughter who hasn't been seen in weeks/months?

For this lie alone, Cindy should be her daughter's next door neighbor.

G&C are FOS. George says they left the search for Zanny to LE, but didn't give them the phone numbers and addresses to assist, then carp that LE didn't give Casey a chance to help them locate Zanny, instead arrested her right away. Then claimed that their investigators had the baby snatchers under surveillance until Morgan had him under oath. So which is it? Well, bottom line is, it doesn't matter. Because what they did was nothing.

And I can guarandamntee you that if Cindy had ever possessed a phone number or address for Zanny the Kidnapper she wouldn't need to look it up in her magical address book, she'd have it memorized just like she did the page number of discovery issues.

[One2Snoop]

So far, survey results at Wesh - Casey deserves the DP....

Do you agree with the decision to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony?
Choice Votes Percentage of 2019 Votes
Yes, the evidence supports it 1762 87%
No, the evidence doesn't support it. 125 6%
I don't support death penalty for anyone. 132 7%

http://www.wesh.com/news/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Baez: Forces Out To Get Casey Anthony
State To Seek Death Penalty In Case

POSTED: Tuesday, April 14, 2009
UPDATED: 8:48 am EDT April 14, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lead attorney called the state's decision to seek the death penalty against his client a "sad day for justice" and said she's "aware of the forces that are out to get her."

Jose Baez spoke with Local 6 News late Monday night after spending about 30 minutes with Anthony inside the Orange County Jail. The visit took place after the state announced that it would be seeking the death penalty against Anthony, who is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

The remains of Caylee, who was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July, were discovered in a wooded lot near the Anthony family home in December. Anthony has claimed that she left her daughter with a baby sitter in June, and the pair was gone when she returned to pick up Caylee.

Baez said the state's announcement was not a surprise to his client.

"She was fully aware that this was a strong possibility. She's aware of the forces that are out to get her," said Baez, who is a strong opponent of the death penalty. "If they think that this is going to make her plea, they're sadly mistaken. They've been trying to intimidate Casey Anthony from day 1 and it didn't work then, and it's not going to work now."

Noted defense attorney Cheney Mason said the state has a lot to prove.

"They don't know the cause of death. They don't know when the death was caused. They don't know who caused the death. They don't know how it happened. This is a far reach. They better have something real strong in their bag of tricks," said Mason, who is not involved in the case.

Mason also said the start of Anthony's trial -- currently scheduled for Oct. 12 -- will likely be pushed back.

"I would say it would be remarkable if this case could get to trial within the next year and a half to two years," Mason said.

"Will it affect the trial? Yes, it may delay it. It certainly will make the costs to the taxpayers to the state of Florida at least triple," said Baez, who is not qualified to be lead counsel on a death-penalty case.

"It changes absolutely nothing. For people to be out there saying I'm going to be off the case or I'm going to be in the background, they really don't know what they're talking about," Baez said.

There are currently eight known attorneys on the Anthony defense team, and three are death-penalty qualified, Local 6 News reported. Also, three other attorneys working behind the scenes for the defense are also death-penalty qualified, sources told Local 6 News.

The jury in the case will now also have to be "death-qualified," which means jurors will be asked if they could vote for death in the case.

Anthony's reaction to the news was not disclosed by the jail or Baez.

Anthony claims she was offered a plea deal earlier in the case, which she rejected because she said she is not guilty.

It's not known if a new deal will be offered.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19174406/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Baez's Reaction - Video

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19174398/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Death-penalty possibility changes much in Casey Anthony case, experts say

By Amy L. Edwards and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:29 AM EDT, April 14, 2009

Prosecutors raised the stakes in the Casey Anthony murder case Monday, announcing they will seek the death penalty for the single mother accused of killing her child.

The State Attorney's Office previously declared that it hoped to send Anthony to prison for life. Prosecutors announced that decision Dec. 5 — less than a week before investigators found the bones of 2-year-old Caylee Marie in woods near her family home.

Since then, sheriff's investigators have gathered additional evidence and "sufficient aggravating circumstances exist to justify the imposition of the Death Penalty" if Anthony is found guilty, according to the notice filed late Monday by prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick.

Anthony, 23, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Caylee, who disappeared last summer. Anthony maintains that the child was taken by a baby sitter who has not been found. Prosecutors in murder cases are required to declare before trial whether they will seek the death penalty.

Her lawyers criticized the state's change of plan.

"This is not a death-penalty case. We will do whatever is necessary to defend Casey Anthony from the state trying to take her life," said Marti Mackenzie, spokeswoman for defense lawyer José Baez.

Baez visited Anthony in the jail for about an hour Monday night, according to records released Tuesday morning. He was Anthony's first visitor in nearly a week.

Some legal experts characterized the state's move as unusual and said it could be a sign of potential weakness.

Bob Jarvis, who teaches legal ethics and law and popular culture at Nova Southeastern University in Fort Lauderdale, said there are two reasons why prosecutors would put the death penalty on the table.

One reason — the one he thinks is most likely in this case — is that prosecutors are frustrated because Anthony has refused to accept a plea.

If Anthony is convicted, a Florida jury is not likely to recommend she be executed, Jarvis said.

Of the 392 prisoners on the state's death row, only one is a woman. That woman, Tiffany Cole, was convicted last year of taking part in the murder of a Jacksonville couple who were buried alive, according to Florida Department of Corrections.

"Juries find it very difficult to send young women to death row," Jarvis said.

If they found Anthony guilty of first-degree murder, jurors then would have to consider whether there are "aggravating circumstances" that justify execution. Those factors could include whether the homicide was committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner.

They would have to weigh those reasons against any "mitigating circumstances" — also outlined in state law — such as whether the defendant acted under extreme duress.

Jurors recommend the penalty to a judge, who has final say.

Because of Monday's announcement, Anthony's defense team must have a lawyer who is certified to handle death-penalty cases. Lead attorney Baez, who was admitted to The Florida Bar in 2005, is not certified.

Mackenzie, his spokeswoman, said that is not a problem:

"We already have death-qualified defense lawyers on our team and are prepared for a vigorous defense."

Terence Lenamon, a Miami attorney who was once part of Anthony's team, gave prosecutors a report in November outlining why the mother should not receive the death penalty.

His report cited Anthony's erratic behavior after her daughter's birth, suggesting signs of emotional or mental distress. It also mentioned that she lacked a criminal history.

"I'm greatly disappointed that the State Attorney's Office has decided to take this route," he said Monday after hearing the news.

He said this may be a sign that prosecutors are worried about a conviction. They may want "death-qualified jurors" — jurors who are willing to sentence someone to death. Those jurors also are more likely to convict defendants, Lenamon said.

"It changes the dynamics of everything," he said.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-14041409apr14,0,1582095.story

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's death penalty lawyer Terry Lenamon has new blog

http://swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/

Casey Anthony -
http://swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/five-questions-to-ask-yourself-about-the-casey-anthony-case

http://swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/category/casey-anthony-case

[deacon]

Casey Anthony's death penalty lawyer Terry Lenamon has new blog

http://swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/

Casey Anthony -
http://swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/five-questions-to-ask-yourself-about-the-casey-anthony-case

http://swartzlenamon.com/deathpenaltyblog/category/casey-anthony-case

Interesting that lawyers hide behind the statement, "research shows". Research only shows what "was", not what "is". There are more and more murders of both sexes that we are seeing that do not "fit the research." They don't fit the mold. Now, it is quite a stretch IMO to finish that off with, "so they are not guilty." Know what I mean? Just because a murder doesn't fit the mold does not equal they did not murder.

[Justice Denied?]

Come on, who's not going to miss Jose? I for one am sad that the sun is setting on his career, I mean, involvement in this case.

Can you imagine what its going to be like for an outside lawyer to step in and try to unravel what is going on here?!

Someone on TV was saying it may be possible for Baez to stay on for the guilt or innocence phase and just use a death-qualified attorney for the penalty phase. Not sure I understand that exactly.

I would hate to be any attorney that tries to straighten out the mess Jose has made of this case so far.

[deacon]

:) True Casey doesn't fit the mold. Most murderers are smarter than that. What kind of stuck on stupid idiot would throw her shoes in her trunk after she dumped her dead victim's body, then forget them there?

Duhhhh. One whose mother washed the clothes that very well could have put her on death row?:eek:

[One2Snoop]

Death Penalty For Women Rare In Fla.
Baez: Casey's Not A Serial Killer

The prosecution announced Monday its intent to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony, but historically the state of Florida has been hesitant to put a woman to death.

The state attorney's office initially said it would not seek the death penalty, but changed that decision with a court filing Monday afternoon.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

In nearly 100 years, a Florida jury has sentenced only 16 women to death, and most of those sentences were later thrown out for various legal reasons.

"Very few women are put to death in Florida," defense attorney Jose Baez said. "She's not a serial killer."

There are 392 people sitting on Florida's death row, and only one, Tiffany Cole, is a woman.

Cole was convicted of kidnapping a husband and wife from Duval County and burying them alive.

Two women have been executed in the state of Florida in the past 85 years, serial killer Eileen Wurenos and Judy Buenoano.

Buenoano earned the nickname "The Black Widow" for poisoning her husband with arsenic in 1971. She later drowned her paralyzed son in a lake and tried to blow up her boyfriend with a car bomb.

Anthony is charged with murdering a child, a crime that juries rarely find worth of capital punishment.

A South Carolina jury rejected the death penalty for Susan Smith in 1995. She was convicted of murdering her two young sons.

Andrea Yates was given a life sentence by a Houston jury for drowning her five children in a bath tub. Texas executes more people than any other state.

Orange County prosecutors did not seek the death penalty against Kenya Hill. While already on probation for child abuse, authorities found the body of hill's four-year-old daughter decomposing in a South Orange Blossom Trail motel room that was covered in trash and soaked with urine.

The child's skull had been fractured and she had contusions on her neck.

Hill was convicted of second-degree murder.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19179372/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Baez Tells Casey State's Seeking Death Penalty
Anthony Attorney To Depose 2 Law Enforcement Officers

POSTED: 11:47 am EDT April 14, 2009
UPDATED: 4:45 pm EDT April 14, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Jail records Tuesday show that defense lawyer Jose Baez has notified Casey Anthony of the state's decision to seek the death penalty.

Baez spent more than an hour Monday night with his client at the Orange County Jail where Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

Caylee's remains were found in a wooded area near the Anthonys' East Orange County home last December.

Meanwhile, in the wake of Monday's stunning about-face by the state attorney's office to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony, Baez is scheduling more depositions.

On Tuesday, Baez filed a notice to depose two law enforcement officers. One is a Corrections Lt. Tammy Unser, who said she witnessed Casey Anthony hyperventilate upon seeing TV coverage of a child's remains discovered along Suburban Drive, which was later revealed to be her daughter.

Both will be deposed on May 5.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19176124/detail.html

[mu8shark]

I wonder if the States's Attorney's decision to go for the Death Penalty has anything to do with G&C's discipable behavior at the deposition hearing? I thought that the DP might have been removed because C&G would have to testify against their daughter and they wanted to make it easy on them. Now I think LE's attitude is to hell with them. They are not cooperating, never have, never will. If anything, they need to face some charges of their own. It makes me wonder how the Judge is going to feel about moving the trial after the Ants have gone on Oprah and spilled their guts? If you ask me, the Judge need to put a stop to them appearing on national shows. You don't see any of the police officers or attorneys talking on local or nationa media. Only the defense is blabbing uncontrollably and shooting themselves in the foot in the process. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked019.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)I know they are saying the decision was prior to the depos but I wonder about that. I think the depos help show premeditation, that she is talking about a fake nanny so far in advance and I got a look at the searches and I could be wrong but it looks like she did them all on the same day, so chloroform, neck breaking and the 100th episode of ONe Tree Hill where the nanny kidnaps the baby. I think this really shows premeditation and the fact her parents are confirming she talked about it far in advance makes it even worse. Also on Cindy having the numbers and addresses of Nanny, um gee that is pure BS. The number one thing any of us would do is call those numbers and park our little or big asses in front of the address. And if you hired a PI and you really believed the story, where would you send your PI? Um to park his big or little ass in front of that address, am I right? And Cindy and George have surely shown a willingness to get involved in the investigation themselves. If I were a prosecutor I would ask her if she believed the story, believed in the nanny story why did she not call these numbers or go to that address or why did she send her PI's there immediately? She admits she did not do either thing. As a juror I do not need to know much more to tell me that George and Cindy are covering for her after the fact.

[mu8shark]

I agree they should do it even if they know they might not get anything. Cindy was a major moron to say that Amy or Jesse were the ones babysitting Caylee. Amy and Jesse probably have work records to dispell that. Oh and the idea that zanny was code for these two?? Um why would she need a code? It is not a CIA operation, it is a babysitter, right? And why would Casey need to hide the fact that Amy or Jesse were watching her? There is no info out there that Jesse or Amy are some big drug dealers or pedophiles that would anger Cindy if Casey admitted they were watching her. Why would there be a need for a code , why could she not just say, Amy or Jesse is watching her.? You can't tell me CIndy would be more comfortable with a mystery woman she knew absolutely nothing about, who she had never met so she could approve of the woman. Her explanations are ludicrous and how come in her interview with police she said she knew there was no nanny or suspected there was no nanny for at least a year and so she just let that go the whole time. BS.

[mu8shark]

And a by the way, I am going to say it, I believe by the time they found the body on Dec 11, Cindy and George knew long ago that Caylee was dead and her body was probably out in that area. I do not believe for one second that the November PI search was not done with Cindy and George's knowledge. I just don't believe it. And after seeing those depos, I think the reason they were eating crab puffs and an expensive meal with no reaction is because her being dead was old news to them. I think the started the stories, oh that was her at the mall, at the airport, in the restaurant in CA were all undertaken the moment they knew she was dead. There I said it! I notice that the family of Melissa Huckaby just came out and made a statement that they were upset and shocked and left it at that, they did not start trying to cover up for her in the media or to try and distract people from the legal process. My hats are off to them and I can't help but think if Cindy and George had taken this route , even if they said, we support our daughter and are saddened and not all this other BS, there credibility would be so much better at trial. They have opened their mouths so much and so wide that if the depos should one single theme, it is that they can't keep their lies straight and anything they have to offer in Casey's defense will not be believed. And oh on Lee how come in his depo he said he believes every word his sister said and yet privately to A Lazzaro on tape he says Casey lies just to lie? Kind of a contradiction don't you think?

[mu8shark]

Agreed. I can't help but wonder why they dropped the dp in the first place. It is my understanding that in FL you only need one aggravating circumstance and they had that with Caylee's age. Any thoughts?

Cindy claiming to have Zanny's address and phone numbers made me nearly fall out of my chair. Don't these people think before they speak? She never called the number(s) and never drove to the address during the period she was frantic to know where Caylee was. She never told LE she knew where the babysitter lived. She won't be charged, but this lie IMO constitutes obstruction at the very least !!! I know this is redundant, but she perjured herself UNDER OATH and should be penalized for it.

If we are to believe Cindy, Zanny's address and several phone numbers are in an address book. Did she conveniently lose it after Caylee's little body was found or did she deliberately get rid of it? She admitted she never saw Zanny, talked to her or attempted to call her. Is that the action of a grandmother who is sick with worry about her 3 yr old granddaughter who hasn't been seen in weeks/months?

For this lie alone, Cindy should be her daughter's next door neighbor. Um this has to rank as the most absurd thing she has said, it almost ranks right up there with maybe somebody put a body in the car after it was at the tow yard and there was a pizza in the trunk. It's totally unbelieveable she would not call these numbers or go to the address.

[Gatordog]

The official explanation is that the evidence they found since they found Caylee was enough to put the DP back on--and I don't have any reason to doubt them on that.

I don't doubt that they have the evidence, but the timing is suspicious. JMO

Gator

[Gatordog]

G&C are FOS. George says they left the search for Zanny to LE, but didn't give them the phone numbers and addresses to assist, then carp that LE didn't give Casey a chance to help them locate Zanny, instead arrested her right away. Then claimed that their investigators had the baby snatchers under surveillance until Morgan had him under oath. So which is it? Well, bottom line is, it doesn't matter. Because what they did was nothing.

And I can guarandamntee you that if Cindy had ever possessed a phone number or address for Zanny the Kidnapper she wouldn't need to look it up in her magical address book, she'd have it memorized just like she did the page number of discovery issues.

Bravo Lotetta. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy091.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Can you move to Orlando and try to get on the jury? You'd make a great Forewoman.

Gator

[mu8shark]

Bravo Lotetta. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy091.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Can you move to Orlando and try to get on the jury? You'd make a great Forewoman.

GatorI have a question since I do not have sound on comp and can't watch videos. Did George then admit under oath that they did not have anybody under surveillance at all? Or did he stick to that when Morgan asked him about that? If he did.

[Gatordog]

ABSOLUTELY true, and the numbers show it to be true. I would not like to believe that GA did that with a motive to mess things up but I am seeing more and more how they are with method to their madness. Planned confusion was evident at the latest dep. Having a desire to go on national TV (Oprah etc) also gives me the thought that they want to taint jurors to the point that the trial can't be held on the planet!

But seeing as much of George as we have, I get that he isn't a mentally strong person to begin with. He's just weak of character; period. I'd say he wanted out but he didn't want to die. He's looking for a way out, that's clear.

I'm willing to bet that Cindy gave him a huge ration of crap for that episode at the motel. HUGE! She had to have gone after him for being a wimp; unless of course, they were both in on it. Nah.. that's just too nuts. (Or is it?)

Casey is their product and it's faulty. I hate to be mean but he and Cindy made her by design. The only important matter here is, there is a dead child. Not them, they're not important.

IMO

Think about the scenario - After three days in the hospital, he was able to check himself out but didn't. No other hospital would take him when he did leave almost two weeks later. JMO, but maybe his records showed deception rather than true depression. Cindy is a nurse, she could have told him how many pills to take without it being fatal. He left his cell phone on and his car parked right outside the hotel room, visible from the street. Why did he leave his suicide note in the car instead of his hotel room? He misses two appointments during the day and his attorney called the police at 9:30 pm.

Gator

[mu8shark]

I think this will be a soft touch interview and probably in advance they have agreed on things she can't ask. Oprah tends to suck up to all the showbiz types and I don't see this as being any different. On the plus side, I am sure if the Anthonys open their mouths at all, another lie will come out , maybe even a new lie.! And these interviews tend to be scrutinzed by the prosecution and I am sure they will be able to use some of what they say against their daughter, unless of course it is just a memorial to Caylee again and or a little rage on interview about LE. Either way I think we can rely on them to tell a lie. After all these interviews how can they keep their stories straight? My father used to say a lie is hard to remember but the truth always stays the truth.

[mu8shark]

Think about the scenario - After three days in the hospital, he was able to check himself out but didn't. No other hospital would take him when he did leave almost two weeks later. JMO, but maybe his records showed deception rather than true depression. Cindy is a nurse, she could have told him how many pills to take without it being fatal. He left his cell phone on and his car parked right outside the hotel room, visible from the street. Why did he leave his suicide note in the car instead of his hotel room? He misses two appointments during the day and his attorney called the police at 9:30 pm.

GatorIt may have been a cry for help but not a genuine suicide attempt at all. At the time I wondered if it was just a way for him to get away from the wicked witch for a while. I know that is awful but she is an atrocious b if you ask me.

[Amy]

Agreed. I can't help but wonder why they dropped the dp in the first place. It is my understanding that in FL you only need one aggravating circumstance and they had that with Caylee's age. Any thoughts?

Cindy claiming to have Zanny's address and phone numbers made me nearly fall out of my chair. Don't these people think before they speak? She never called the number(s) and never drove to the address during the period she was frantic to know where Caylee was. She never told LE she knew where the babysitter lived. She won't be charged, but this lie IMO constitutes obstruction at the very least !!! I know this is redundant, but she perjured herself UNDER OATH and should be penalized for it.

If we are to believe Cindy, Zanny's address and several phone numbers are in an address book. Did she conveniently lose it after Caylee's little body was found or did she deliberately get rid of it? She admitted she never saw Zanny, talked to her or attempted to call her. Is that the action of a grandmother who is sick with worry about her 3 yr old granddaughter who hasn't been seen in weeks/months?

For this lie alone, Cindy should be her daughter's next door neighbor.

Well, Cindy for sure lied to either LE/FBI or to Morgan. It was in her interview(s) w/either LE or FBI where she specifically stated that she did not have a number or address for Zany. Even according to what George said in the depo--HE (@ least, he can't/won't talk for Cindy, of course) said he never heard anything but the name Zany, no last name, until after Caylee disappeared. Come to think of it, I think in her interview(s) Cindy did NOT have a last name before July 15, either.

And, if indeed Cindy had this info on Zany, and she admits she never used that info, why in the name of all that is Holy, didn't she give that info to LE/FBI? You know, the ones who could help her find Caylee? AND, I agree, IF she had that information, just from who I have seen her to be--she would have used that information in a heart beat--not on July 3, but on the very first day that Casey told her she couldn't talk to Caylee because Caylee was with Zany. I don't believe for one minute that the wrath of Casey would deter Cindy from trying to get what she wanted---time with Caylee. The only thing stopping Cindy was that she didn't have a clue in the world who this Zany is, so therefore could not find her, could not call her.

[Amy]

Baez: Forces Out To Get Casey Anthony
State To Seek Death Penalty In Case

POSTED: Tuesday, April 14, 2009
UPDATED: 8:48 am EDT April 14, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lead attorney called the state's decision to seek the death penalty against his client a "sad day for justice" and said she's "aware of the forces that are out to get her."

Jose Baez spoke with Local 6 News late Monday night after spending about 30 minutes with Anthony inside the Orange County Jail. The visit took place after the state announced that it would be seeking the death penalty against Anthony, who is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

The remains of Caylee, who was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July, were discovered in a wooded lot near the Anthony family home in December. Anthony has claimed that she left her daughter with a baby sitter in June, and the pair was gone when she returned to pick up Caylee.

Baez said the state's announcement was not a surprise to his client.

"She was fully aware that this was a strong possibility. She's aware of the forces that are out to get her," said Baez, who is a strong opponent of the death penalty. "If they think that this is going to make her plea, they're sadly mistaken. They've been trying to intimidate Casey Anthony from day 1 and it didn't work then, and it's not going to work now."

Noted defense attorney Cheney Mason said the state has a lot to prove.

"They don't know the cause of death. They don't know when the death was caused. They don't know who caused the death. They don't know how it happened. This is a far reach. They better have something real strong in their bag of tricks," said Mason, who is not involved in the case.

Mason also said the start of Anthony's trial -- currently scheduled for Oct. 12 -- will likely be pushed back.

"I would say it would be remarkable if this case could get to trial within the next year and a half to two years," Mason said.

"Will it affect the trial? Yes, it may delay it. It certainly will make the costs to the taxpayers to the state of Florida at least triple," said Baez, who is not qualified to be lead counsel on a death-penalty case.

"It changes absolutely nothing. For people to be out there saying I'm going to be off the case or I'm going to be in the background, they really don't know what they're talking about," Baez said.

There are currently eight known attorneys on the Anthony defense team, and three are death-penalty qualified, Local 6 News reported. Also, three other attorneys working behind the scenes for the defense are also death-penalty qualified, sources told Local 6 News.

The jury in the case will now also have to be "death-qualified," which means jurors will be asked if they could vote for death in the case.

Anthony's reaction to the news was not disclosed by the jail or Baez.

Anthony claims she was offered a plea deal earlier in the case, which she rejected because she said she is not guilty.

It's not known if a new deal will be offered.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19174406/detail.html#-

The reporters should know enough that the plea back in the beginning of the case had not one thing to do with the murder or the DP. That plea had to do with the child neglect charges, lying to authorities, etc. She hadn't even been arrested or charged for murder @ the time of the plea offer.

[Amy]

Baez's Reaction - Video

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19174398/index.html

Well, they have 8 known attorneys working on this case for how long? Months and months. 3 of them DP qualified, PLUS 3 other DP qualified attorneys who have been working on this case whose names are not known. So, it's not like any of these attorneys will have to "get up to speed" on the case, they've all been working on it for months now.

I would think the prosecution and the defense would present their cases the same way--put out the evidence, have the witnesses testify. It should all be the same, no matter the possible sentencing.

The prosecution just has to prove guilt--of all the charges, or even of just the murder charge. Like a post upthread--just the age of Caylee makes it a DP case. If they are prepared to ask for the DP, they should surely have all their ducks in a row and be ready to go by Oct 18.

And, the defense should be prepared to pull out all stops to provide reasonable doubt, or even to prove not guilty-and they would be doing that regardless of the possible sentence. So, all these lawyers have already been working on the defense for months, the defense should be the same regardless of penalty, so they should also be ready for Oct 18.

Of course, either side or both sides might just be comfortable having more time to prepare. Baez worrying about a DP case will cost triple--well Mr. Baez I think the good folks of FL are more worried about getting the murderer convicted and sentenced than how much it is going to cost the state. Of course, no one wants to spend billions, but if the tax money has to go some place, this seems to be a good cause to me. (Of course, I don't pay taxes in FL.) Certainly a better use of the $$ than throwing it @ a ficticious foundation that looks to be set up only so some people would not have to actually work for a living any more. Or maybe bogus foundation is what I am trying to say.

So, I don't see why there should be any delay. They could still start Oct 18, all that is going to change is it will probably take longer to seat a death qualified jury.

[Amy]

Death Penalty For Women Rare In Fla.
Baez: Casey's Not A Serial Killer

The prosecution announced Monday its intent to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony, but historically the state of Florida has been hesitant to put a woman to death.

The state attorney's office initially said it would not seek the death penalty, but changed that decision with a court filing Monday afternoon.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

In nearly 100 years, a Florida jury has sentenced only 16 women to death, and most of those sentences were later thrown out for various legal reasons.

"Very few women are put to death in Florida," defense attorney Jose Baez said. "She's not a serial killer."

There are 392 people sitting on Florida's death row, and only one, Tiffany Cole, is a woman.

Cole was convicted of kidnapping a husband and wife from Duval County and burying them alive.

Two women have been executed in the state of Florida in the past 85 years, serial killer Eileen Wurenos and Judy Buenoano.

Buenoano earned the nickname "The Black Widow" for poisoning her husband with arsenic in 1971. She later drowned her paralyzed son in a lake and tried to blow up her boyfriend with a car bomb.

Anthony is charged with murdering a child, a crime that juries rarely find worth of capital punishment.

A South Carolina jury rejected the death penalty for Susan Smith in 1995. She was convicted of murdering her two young sons.

Andrea Yates was given a life sentence by a Houston jury for drowning her five children in a bath tub. Texas executes more people than any other state.

Orange County prosecutors did not seek the death penalty against Kenya Hill. While already on probation for child abuse, authorities found the body of hill's four-year-old daughter decomposing in a South Orange Blossom Trail motel room that was covered in trash and soaked with urine.

The child's skull had been fractured and she had contusions on her neck.

Hill was convicted of second-degree murder.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19179372/detail.html#-

That is sooo wrong. Why in the world would juries not find the murder of a child worth the death penalty? Who decided on the terms of what qualifies a crime to be worthy of the death penalty? Well, some legislators probably WROTE the terms, but didn't people in each state have to vote on it? It seems that there are 2 groups of people whose murder opens the possibility of DP---children (usually under the age of 12, or is it 6? Maybe it depends on the state) and police officers. So, why would jurors not think the murder of a child to be worthy of the DP?

Or, maybe times are changing. Now, I know the whole world does not chime in on these message boards, but there are sure a lot of people who do who type of the need for the DP in the cases on the murders of children. Maybe, just maybe, people are getting tired of all the children being murdered, and will get more hard nosed about the sentencing of the murderers.

[Justice Denied?]

I bet Liar is really really mad at Mommy right now :beer:

Speaking of which, why didn't Casey give the trunk of that car a good scrubbing instead of throwing a bag of garbage and some fabric softener sheets back there?

[Amy]

If they get away with these "contradictions", I will assume we all have impunity on lies to LE.

That reminds me. I haven't heard Luka or Conway going on about immunity for their clients. Whatever happened to that road they were going down? Used to be we heard one or the other or both blathering on about immunity altho, of course, Cindy, George and Lee had done nothing to NEED immunity for. Geesh!!! These people (the lawyers) confuse me almost as much as the A's and the whole darn case!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Amy]

They know there was no zanny. What Cindy was doing there was fanning the lie for two reasons. 1. To make sure Zenaida lost her case. 2. To make Casey look credible.

IMO


She's horrid.

And stupid. I don't think it worked. It only made her look stupid, like she would think the lawyers, let alone the john and jane q publics (because they knew this would be made public) would actually believe a word, since it contradicts so much of all that she has said before. Like Judge Judy and Judge Marilyn Moline say--if you lie to me once, I'm not going to believe a word you say. So, actually, she has NO credibility, neither does George. You can't trust which statements might actually be the truth. Of course, their ACTIONS belie their STATEMENTs especially about the search and the nanny.

[Amy]

Speaking of which, why didn't Casey give the trunk of that car a good scrubbing instead of throwing a bag of garbage and some fabric softener sheets back there?

WHAT????? WORK????? That would certainly take some time and effort, physical exertion. The only physical exertion she was interested wasn't in cleaning efforts, from what I have seen.

[Amy]

You know how Cindy said Zanny might have been Jesse or Amy?

Here's George on the Zanny topic:

A I just answered that. Besides my wife and I, one other person who was watching my granddaughter is Zanny.
Q So the answer would be to your knowledge no one --
A No one else besides the three of us were watching my child -- watching our granddaughter.

Do they even talk to each other?

Guess maybe that is one question they didn't anticipate, so didn't have a concerted answer for? ;)

[One2Snoop]

I have a question since I do not have sound on comp and can't watch videos. Did George then admit under oath that they did not have anybody under surveillance at all? Or did he stick to that when Morgan asked him about that? If he did.

Here's the article where George talks about Caylee's Kidnappers being watched - http://www.wftv.com/news/17169161/detail.html

Here's the transcript - Morgan drills him on whether or not he looked for Zanny starting at the end of page 29 through page 38. He never asks anything about having the kidnappers under surveillance and I don't remember reading anything specific about it - still looking though in case I missed it.

http://www.wftv.com/blank/19139582/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Well they are hell bent on trying to convince someone that LE is doing them dirty. Maybe Baez is training them to see things that way, as he was clearly expressing that on the news today. Or perhaps the other way around? He may be buying into the fact that who ever disagrees with Cindy Anthony is OUT. And he needs them right now. His name is almost a household word.

Cindy is lawsuit happy. She's got a list most likely of people she will sue. She's playing victim, so is George. If the universe is awake, this entire saga is going to implode and they either won't live through it or they will go into their hidey hole forever. Cause and effect. Action and reaction. Physics. Or brainwashed by their own daughter...

(Just thinking out loud. I may be all wet but for this moment, it makes sense to me.)

NG cracked me up (for once!) when she commented tonight about the forces against Casey swirling around her. :hat: Helllllloooooooo If lamoid LE had been able to intercept The Real Zanny's evil plot and rescue Caylee, would the inelegANTs be screaming conspiracy?

But WTH was her comment about Cindy's attempts to gain custody of Caylee all about? Has that been confirmed and I missed it?

[lorettalockhorn]

Bravo Lotetta. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy091.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Can you move to Orlando and try to get on the jury? You'd make a great Forewoman.

Gator

What? Bozo won't know that I'm part of The Forces Against Casey?!?!?!

Meet me in the OT thread, I HAVE to tell you something. :tongue:

[mu8shark]

Here's his basic answer (yet Cindy says they are STILL watching a ZFG in Puerto Rico)

Q Okay. Why 24 hours a day every single day up to the time her remains were found, once she went missing while you were searching for her, did you not once try to find this Zanny that your daughter was saying had her?
A No, sir, because I put every bit of effort that I thought was the best for the sheriff's department and private investigators to do their job.

There are pdfs at http://marinadedave.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/george-deposition2.pdf, but they really don;t do the dual freak-outs justice...Another blatant contradiction. They said they had the kidnapper under surveillance, it is on tape, so now George is saying they left it all to LE, which begs the question, why not give LE the supposed phone number and address. Oh sorry I forgot, there is no phone number or address and a previous poster is right in one of the LE interviews Cindy denies having contact info. What a pack of liars. Thanks guys for setting me straight on that and finding his answer. As always you are the best

[mu8shark]

What? Bozo won't know that I'm part of The Forces Against Casey?!?!?!

Meet me in the OT thread, I HAVE to tell you something. :tongue: She actually is right about that. LE is out to get her because she killed her child. Just like every single sociopath I have ever known who commited a crime and lied about it. I mean isn't always the way in these cases, these sociopaths are so used to lying and charming friends and acquantainces and never getting really called on it. And yet they don't seem to realize when the police think you have murdered someone they will look everywhere but up your arse and sometimes even there! Why did she not know that the police would look into every single detail of her story.?? And that on a kidnapping the FBI would be brought into it.? For the life of me I can't figure how after she had 31 days she could not come up with a better story. Not to be crass but I think of a few just off the top of my head and I did not even hurt anybody. Was she just too lazy to spend time on a believable story!? Don't get me wrong, I am glad they caught her, it just amazes me these people are so stupid . That includes her parents giving all these BS interviews, we can all see right through.

[mu8shark]

:eek: That's a nasty little visual mu! LOL!

Welcome back. I've missed you!

Goodnight everyone, Nawny's knackered. I'm going to crawl up those stairs now. Save me some haterade for tomorrow!

:seeya: Right back at ya! Hello!

[Native Alien]

I've been sitting here reading and watching for two days now since the state announced that it was putting the DP back on the table, and I only have one question.

Given the amount of lying that the Anthonys have done and given that so much of it is caught on video, why are the lawyers not running in the opposite direction? They have to know how this looks to everyone else.

[deacon]

Speaking of which, why didn't Casey give the trunk of that car a good scrubbing instead of throwing a bag of garbage and some fabric softener sheets back there?

In a word. LAZY. I don't see her working that hard. The only thing she likes to work is............ never mind.:eek:

[Native Alien]

I'll bet anything that both Conway and Baez had a nice little sit down with them both, and warned them to stop the attitudes or they would be lacing up their running shoes.

Truely what I saw at the dep (after seeing it ten times or so,) was two very tortured souls. Taking that into consideration, I felt extreme sympathy for them. Of course their anger and their lack of control over it didn't make me like them, but some part of me understood.

I think that if Conway and Baez are going to continue to represent these people they need to really lay down the rules of engagement for them. I don't see any of the Anthonys letting anyone tell them what to do.

[eatcupcakes]

I think that if Conway and Baez are going to continue to represent these people they need to really lay down the rules of engagement for them. I don't see any of the Anthonys letting anyone tell them what to do.

You are right, the Ants are not going to listen to anyone espically Cindy. So good luck to whoever is representing them because it is gonna be an uphill battle. I am not referring to Casey, I don't wish anyone who represents her luck. And I have no symphathy for anyone if this family except the poor little girl who was murdered by her mother the Liar.

[Amy]

I think that if Conway and Baez are going to continue to represent these people they need to really lay down the rules of engagement for them. I don't see any of the Anthonys letting anyone tell them what to do.

It didn't seem to work for NeJames--seems he went on board initially to help the A's with their pr, and while they sure needed someone to guide them along the way, it seems they just wanted to do what they wanted to do.

[Gatordog]

I'll bet anything that both Conway and Baez had a nice little sit down with them both, and warned them to stop the attitudes or they would be lacing up their running shoes.

Truely what I saw at the dep (after seeing it ten times or so,) was two very tortured souls. Taking that into consideration, I felt extreme sympathy for them. Of course their anger and their lack of control over it didn't make me like them, but some part of me understood.

Nawny, say it ain't so....

They were angry for the wrong reasons. They weren't angry over the loss of Caylee. They were angry because someone had the nerve to question them about the way they live. They were angry because they could not manipulate the Morgan team. They were angry because they did not want to face facts and admit they had raised a sociopath. They were not missing their granddaughter, they are trying to save her killer. Not just save her from the death penalty but from a guilty verdict and jail. Nawny, do not look into the light....:chicken:

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think that if Conway and Baez are going to continue to represent these people they need to really lay down the rules of engagement for them. I don't see any of the Anthonys letting anyone tell them what to do.

How can Baez tell them to be quiet when he can't? He doesn't help his client. They are all putting nails into her coffin. I can see supporting your client or daughter, but by making statements that are ridiculous or obvious lies, it just make it clear that there is no defense.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Does anyone remember when Padilla sent his divers into the Little Econ and they came up with the bag of little toys? The supposed connection to the Liar was that there was something bright green that was mistaken for a Shamrock. When it was brought up to Cindy that a shamrock was found she stated that there was no connection at all between Casey and shamrocks. Well, why has she been wearing that Shamrock pin to all events? Chalk up another "mistruth".

Gator

[Mojo]

Agreed. I can't help but wonder why they dropped the dp in the first place. It is my understanding that in FL you only need one aggravating circumstance and they had that with Caylee's age. Any thoughts?

Cindy claiming to have Zanny's address and phone numbers made me nearly fall out of my chair. Don't these people think before they speak? She never called the number(s) and never drove to the address during the period she was frantic to know where Caylee was. She never told LE she knew where the babysitter lived. She won't be charged, but this lie IMO constitutes obstruction at the very least !!! I know this is redundant, but she perjured herself UNDER OATH and should be penalized for it.

If we are to believe Cindy, Zanny's address and several phone numbers are in an address book. Did she conveniently lose it after Caylee's little body was found or did she deliberately get rid of it? She admitted she never saw Zanny, talked to her or attempted to call her. Is that the action of a grandmother who is sick with worry about her 3 yr old granddaughter who hasn't been seen in weeks/months?

For this lie alone, Cindy should be her daughter's next door neighbor.

Bozo probably peed his pants with joy when he heard her say that. Now he can go after Cindy. Cindy is now Zanny. Casey was trying to protect Cindy. Cindy just made a colosal mistake.

[NMurphy02]

Everytime the Anthony's open their mouths I like them less & less. Lashing out during those depo's was out of line. Lee didn't do it & he lost a niece. Just answer the questions and quit making it all about YOU! (and I don't like Lee either, but at least he was mature during the deposition he took, even though he lied as much as his parents did) Threatening to walk out? All I kept thinking was "we are sooo spunky" Whateva...

An another thing, Jose Baez and his statement, there is no eye witness and there is no confession, blah blah..Again I say SCOTT PETERSON! There was no eye witness and no confession. They are both lying murderes and he is sitting on death row. Hopefully Casey will be too.

[deacon]

Bozo probably peed his pants with joy when he heard her say that. Now he can go after Cindy. Cindy is now Zanny. Casey was trying to protect Cindy. Cindy just made a colosal mistake.

From what has been said so far there are 100 people who could be zanny

[Amy]

Nawny, say it ain't so....

They were angry for the wrong reasons. They weren't angry over the loss of Caylee. They were angry because someone had the nerve to question them about the way they live. They were angry because they could not manipulate the Morgan team. They were angry because they did not want to face facts and admit they had raised a sociopath. They were not missing their granddaughter, they are trying to save her killer. Not just save her from the death penalty but from a guilty verdict and jail. Nawny, do not look into the light....:chicken:

Gator

They were angry because the fact that they are in "mourning" and, after only 8 1/2 months were still required to make a depo AT ALL. IMO, they think that "mourning" should get them out of the depo, out of police interviews, and by gollies, get them out of testifying @ trial--no matter how far down the line the trial is.

If the accused were anyone but their daughter, they would be hoofing it to the nearest le precinct to give any and all info they could come up with. They would have been demanding the civil suit (if against someone other than their daughter) to be held soonest, and be angry with every little delay. They would be chomping @ the bit for the trial to take place so they could get up and testify in behalf of their precious little grandbaby.

And, mostly, IMO, if they tho't their daughter were innocent, they would still be going for all the depos and police interviews to catch the real killer. The fact that they never (according to George's depo) looked for Caylee OR her "abductor" says a lot. There was no need to look anywhere beyond the OC jail where their daughter sat all that time.

[Amy]

I wonder how they are making out with the Zanny still being watched in Puerto Rico-good lord do they not realize how insane they sound?

I'm wondering if they ever gave LE the info about the 9 places the abductors took Caylee--now, was that "PI" Dominic Casey or Lee? Just amazing. THEY wanted a LIVE Caylee found, but they keep their purported info on a live Caylee to themselves? Oh, yeah. Guess they probably were smart enough to know that LE could follow up on the information and find it bogus. That would get them into hotter water. Wonder what the reaction of the detectives were when they heard George spout that out @ to a reporter?

[Amy]

I dont even like Lee but at least i can give him this much-he knows when to shut his mouth and fade into the woodwork. Yes and Peterson was convicted on much less evidence. The majority of the time there is no confession or eye witness-perhaps Bozo was sick for that class??? LOL

I wonder if he understands there was no eye witness to anyone else killing Caylee, either. I always shake my head on that one. Murderers really try to make as sure as they can that there are no witnesses, Baez. Why would Casey be any different than another person on that?

[Amy]

I know-it's almost scary :shrug: It's probably a good thing he is out of that house and on his own.

He moved out again? The last I had read of living arrangements was that after Caylee was found, he had given up his house and moved in w/the A's. Being as how finances were tight as none were able to work too much. I can't tell if Lee was working--the A's said so, but then he also was doing his detecting. Wonder if he could juggle a full time job with all the detecting he was doing.

[lorettalockhorn]

They were angry because the fact that they are in "mourning" and, after only 8 1/2 months were still required to make a depo AT ALL. IMO, they think that "mourning" should get them out of the depo, out of police interviews, and by gollies, get them out of testifying @ trial--no matter how far down the line the trial is.

If the accused were anyone but their daughter, they would be hoofing it to the nearest le precinct to give any and all info they could come up with. They would have been demanding the civil suit (if against someone other than their daughter) to be held soonest, and be angry with every little delay. They would be chomping @ the bit for the trial to take place so they could get up and testify in behalf of their precious little grandbaby.

And, mostly, IMO, if they tho't their daughter were innocent, they would still be going for all the depos and police interviews to catch the real killer. The fact that they never (according to George's depo) looked for Caylee OR her "abductor" says a lot. There was no need to look anywhere beyond the OC jail where their daughter sat all that time.

Exactly. And that might make sense if they were actually in mourning. But I don't think it has even begun. Certainly not when they were at the Ritz living it up on ABC's dime. Certainly not at the memorial; it was about Casey. Certainly not while they babble on about having to protect Caylee's remains from the hordes or heinous graverobbers who would spirit her away from her final resting place.

Disgusting. I'm so thankful that LE and the prosecution isn't distracted by all this garbage and are dedicated to Caylee.

[One2Snoop]

With Casey Anthony's life at stake, court costs will soar

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
April 15, 2009

When prosecutors decided this week to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony, they set the stage for what could turn out to be a pricey case for the state and the defense.

Death penalty cases are not cheap. Because the stakes are so high, attorneys file more motions, conduct more research and interview more witnesses. The trials also take more time.

For Anthony, the young mother charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter, the possibility of execution promises to prolong and complicate the trial, scheduled tentatively for October in Orlando.

"It can make the case 10 times more expensive. It's a very complex issue that has to be litigated by both sides," said Kevin McNally, a Kentucky-based death penalty attorney who is director of the Federal Death Penalty Project, which collects information on federal cases.

Jurors face tough scrutiny
Capital punishment cases need a special jury, and the case comes in two parts: the guilt-innocence phase and the penalty phase — all adding days or weeks to the process.

The first hurdle is selecting a jury. A juror on a death penalty case must be willing to sentence someone to die if needed. That shrinks a potential jury pool, eliminating people who say they can't vote for the death penalty no matter the circumstances.

Unlike other cases where jurors are questioned in groups, jurors in death penalty cases are interviewed individually.

"It is a battle over each one," said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center. "It can take weeks. ... That doesn't happen in regular cases."

Veteran defense attorney Cheney Mason said it took three weeks to pick a jury in the first-degree murder case against his client, Nelson Ivan Serrano, who was sentenced to death in 2007 for the murders of four people in Polk County.

Once a jury is picked, the trial begins with the guilt-innocence phase, like most trials. Prosecutors present their evidence, and the defense tries to poke holes in the case.

The jury then decides whether the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. If the jury finds the person guilty, the trial moves to stage two: the penalty phase.

Prosecutors present "aggravating factors" — outlined by law — that add weight to the argument that the person should be sentenced to death. Those factors could include whether the killing was committed in a cold, calculated and premeditated manner.

The defense then puts on its case, presenting "mitigating circumstances" why the defendant's life should be spared, such as the defendant acted under extreme duress.

"It's a second trial within a trial," Mason said.

That's where much of the cost starts to ratchet up.

snip
more at the link...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-15041509apr15,0,2958354.story

[One2Snoop]

Rep. Grayson wants to launch missing-child program named after Caylee Anthony

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
12:44 PM EDT, April 15, 2009

U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson wants $500,000 from Congress to establish a missing child program in Orlando named in memory of Caylee Marie Anthony.

If granted, the funds would be given to the Ft. Lauderdale-based "A Child is Missing" organization, which helps law-enforcement across the country search for missing children, elderly or disabled people.

ACIM uses a rapid-response telephone system to alert communities when someone is missing. The nonprofit can place 1,000 calls in 60 seconds, can process multiple cases simultaneously, and works without jurisdictional boundaries.

Grayson's request requires the money be spent in the 8th District, which includes Orange and Lake counties.

"I have five children. Every parent's worst nightmare is to lose a child," Grayson said Wednesday morning. "We need to do everything we can to prevent that."

Grayson has not spoken to Caylee's family about his federal funding request, but thought naming the program after the slain toddler would honor her memory.

"We're naming the center after her because she has become a symbol of love lost," he said.

Sherry Friedlander, executive director of ACIM, said if the funding request is granted, her group will be able to establish numerous programs in Central Florida, including awareness programs on bullying and sexual-predator awareness. The funding would also be used to help train law enforcement officers.

"This program is the only program of its kind in the country," she said. "We appreciate [Grayson's] acknowledgment in wanting to safeguard the children and adults in his area."

None of the funds would be given to members of Caylee's family, who established a foundation to help families of missing, abused or exploited children.

On Wednesday, the lawyer representing Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said he hasn't had an opportunity to talk to Grayson.

But he said the funding request "sounds promising and we want to contact Mr. Grayson's team and see what we can do to help."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-funding-041509,0,7402230.story

[shadydaisy]

Does anyone remember when Padilla sent his divers into the Little Econ and they came up with the bag of little toys? The supposed connection to the Liar was that there was something bright green that was mistaken for a Shamrock. When it was brought up to Cindy that a shamrock was found she stated that there was no connection at all between Casey and shamrocks. Well, why has she been wearing that Shamrock pin to all events? Chalk up another "mistruth".

Gator

I remember, and I am so tired of it. You don't get a shamrock tattooed on you butt if it isn't significant to you. I can't even commit to a hair color! Cindy and Company don't do "mistruth", they are merely rewriting history to suit their agenda.

[deacon]

I remember, and I am so tired of it. You don't get a shamrock tattooed on you butt if it isn't significant to you. I can't even commit to a hair color! Cindy and Company don't do "mistruth", they are merely rewriting history to suit their agenda.

OUCH!! that had to hurt!:eek:

[browneyes106]

Okay, I'm relieved that it would not go to the Anthony family, and the guys heart is in the right place, but wouldn't it be more appropriate to direct the program to "Children in Danger from their Caregivers" awareness, rather than bullying or sexual abuse?

I agree the guy's heart is in the right place but he shouldn't associate Caylee with missing children. Caylee was never missing to begin with.

[eatcupcakes]

I never thought I would dislike parents of a killer more than Scott Petersons parents but the Ant's are getting close.

[Amy]

I remember, and I am so tired of it. You don't get a shamrock tattooed on you butt if it isn't significant to you. I can't even commit to a hair color! Cindy and Company don't do "mistruth", they are merely rewriting history to suit their agenda.

And they really don't seem to mind rewriting the same history numerous times. Each time the wind changes direction, they rewrite.

[shadydaisy]

Why a Shamrock? Is she part Irish? I know George is Italian, right? Don't tell me Cindy is Irish.

I don't Casey are Irish at all. I was under the impression that she just liked shamrocks. My mom likes Mickey Mouse, so maybe if she got a tattoo it would be Mickey on her butt. There's a visual I didn't need.

[deacon]

Why a Shamrock? Is she part Irish? I know George is Italian, right? Don't tell me Cindy is Irish.

By gosh and by darn, I hope not. I will claim some other country.:chicken:

Some see the shamrock as a good luck symbol but that is a weird place to put it.

[shadydaisy]

And they really don't seem to mind rewriting the same history numerous times. Each time the wind changes direction, they rewrite.

I wonder if they keep a spreadsheet going so they can keep track of which scenario they are sticking to for the day/hour. They would lie about what they ate for breakfast. Hostile witnesses, anyone?

[shadydaisy]

By gosh and by darn, I hope not. I will claim some other country.:chicken:

Some see the shamrock as a good luck symbol but that is a weird place to put it.

Me, too! I'm leaning toward shamrock on butt being sacrilegious.

[Native Alien]

If anyone hasn't seen Bill Sheaffer on WFTV talking about the Phone records and sleep patterns along with the death penalty in this case, I would respectfully suggest that you do so. It is a real eye opener.

[deacon]

ROtflmho!!!!!!!!! INDEED!? Father O'Malley won't like that attall!

I just wouldn't want to be the tatoo artist. I don't really wouldn't want to look at her bare butt for that long.

Father O'Malley may need a "nip and a sip" after hearing that.:beer:

[Amy]

I wonder if they keep a spreadsheet going so they can keep track of which scenario they are sticking to for the day/hour. They would lie about what they ate for breakfast. Hostile witnesses, anyone?

They NEED a spreadsheet, and should make sure everyone has the same one when they walk out the door in the morning. Otherwise, their stories don't match.:biggrin:

[Amy]

OK lets be really really honest here-how many of ya's will watch the Oprah interview-I can honestly say i will tune in-just to see if they are asshat's. If they are i will shut it off. If she asks some hard ?'s maybe i will stick around.

I think I will wait for the message board revues.;)

[deacon]

If I know Father O'Malley he's been nippin since he arrived from Ireland! He was caught in the conffeshinal with Mary Kate last week minus his white collar. :hat:

She's a Jackeen anyway! :D:D

:D The Father seems to have a prolem.

[Amy]

I wasn't sure Jav. I didn't actually see the link. I skip around ya know! Today I went looking for the first lawyer the A's had and wanted to read why exactly he quit and there it was and I was horrified! What on God's green earth is going on with these people? This adds a new dimension to insanity. I have to watch this. I can't stand Oprah, but I'll white knuckle it.

Oh, and I wasn't surprised to read why the first Lawyer quit the case. He is a very wise man Mark Nejame is, yep. And a classy man too. I guess he doesn't need that kind of 15 minutes of fame.

IMO, he saw the A's weren't really handling their PR very well, and really wanted to help out the grieving grandparents of a "missing" child. Guess he figured them out pretty soon, and realized that NO ONE, whether they are hired or they volunteered, will tell the A's how to act and what to say. If they had only listened to NeJames in the beginning.

[Mojo]

OK lets be really really honest here-how many of ya's will watch the Oprah interview-I can honestly say i will tune in-just to see if they are asshat's. If they are i will shut it off. If she asks some hard ?'s maybe i will stick around.

I've got a feeling this will turn out like the Larry King interview. Oprah will trow them softballs and they will do what they do best. Lie, lie, lie, lie.
If they really wanted to go on a show they should go on Dr. Phil. He's the only one that might actually ask them something tough. Then he can explain "delusional" to them.

[Native Alien]

Do u have a link to direct me?

http://www.wftv.com/news/19179078/detail.html#-

Scroll down and look for anything that is a video with Bill Shaeffer's name attached to it.

[Gatordog]

Yes Gator i do remember that as i saw it on CNN then came here and told everyone to quickly get to their tv's. Lesson learned eh? Yes C did have a shamrock pin on during the depo's did she not? There are just sooooo many lies here i cant keep track. Sorting all this out must be a nighmare for LE. Or not?

Beem, she has the bad taste to also wear it to the public memorial. I guess each of these recorded lies will be used to discredit them during the trial. If they were smart, they would make like monks and take a vow of silence. Lucky foe us, they are not smart.;)

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I never thought I would dislike parents of a killer more than Scott Petersons parents but the Ant's are getting close.

Ugh Jackie Peterson gave me the heebie jeebies. She could have opened her blouse in court to nurse Scott and I wouldn't have been in the least surprised.

[lorettalockhorn]

OK lets be really really honest here-how many of ya's will watch the Oprah interview-I can honestly say i will tune in-just to see if they are asshat's. If they are i will shut it off. If she asks some hard ?'s maybe i will stick around.

Cannot STAND that self-congratulatory, self-aggrandizing woman and have never watched her show. Not going to start now. (But you guys better give me a recap!!)

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wftv.com/news/19179078/detail.html#-

Scroll down and look for anything that is a video with Bill Shaeffer's name attached to it.

Thanks for the link. I believe everything this guy has to say like it's gospel. He's hawt!

I mean, he's very learned and authoritative.

[One2Snoop]

Anthony Family Reacts To Death Penalty
State To Seek Death Penalty Against Casey Anthony

POSTED: Wednesday, April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 4:59 pm EDT April 15, 2009

The Anthony family has released an official statement regarding the recent announcement that the state would seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony.

VIDEO: Baez's Reaction To Death Penalty

The statement was released through George and Cindy Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway.

"The states decision to seek the death penalty will not change the support and love the Anthony's have for Casey. Casey Anthony, like all other defendants, is entitled to the presumption of innocence. If the state can overcome that presumption before a jury of 12 of Casey's peers, the Anthonys will then begin to deal with the potential sentence."

Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, reacted to the new development on Monday.

Baez said the state's announcement was not a surprise to his client.

"She was fully aware that this was a strong possibility. She's aware of the forces that are out to get her," said Baez, who is a strong opponent of the death penalty. "If they think that this is going to make her plea, they're sadly mistaken. They've been trying to intimidate Casey Anthony from day 1 and it didn't work then, and it's not going to work now."

Casey Anthony is being held at the Orange County Jail. She is charged with murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19189806/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys Hopeful Death Penalty Wouldn't Be Imposed
Sources Say Family Surprised, Not Surprised Over Monday's News

POSTED: 4:20 pm EDT April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 5:59 pm EDT April 15, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- After speaking with a number of sources from within the Anthony camp, the family is in shock but not completely surprised at this week's decision by prosecutors to seek the death penalty against Casey Anthony.

They're resigned to seeing the process through to the finish. The Anthony family is also hopeful that, even if Casey Anthony is convicted, that the death penalty will not be imposed.

The Anthonys' spokesman e-mailed a statement to WESH 2 News: "The state's decision to seek the death penalty will not change the support and love the Anthonys have for Casey."

Casey Anthony is at the Orange County Jail charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

The attorney for Lee Anthony, Casey's brother, said he did not expect the state attorney's office to make this move given the evidence that's been made public. He described what his client is going through.

"He is probably in shock and horror as is the rest of his family that the state is prosecuting the case to this level," Thomas Luka said.

Luka is a former prosecutor who has tried a death penalty case. He's expecting it to take up to two months just to pick a jury now that it's a death penalty case. That would be twice the amount of time prosecutors originally estimated the entire trial would last.

http://www.wesh.com/news/19189900/detail.html

[Amy]

Oh, for goodness sake!!! 2 months to pick a jury. These supposedly educated people are throwing out doom and gloom left and right. I have faith that there are plenty of people in the good state of FL, even right there in Orange County and Orlando who can sit on this trial, even knowing this is a death penalty case. To hear these guys go on, you would think there are less than 12 people on the planet who would agree to be on a death penalty case. They certainly underestimate the people of OC.

[DrewBerry]

I never thought I would dislike parents of a killer more than Scott Petersons parents but the Ant's are getting close.

You got that right, cupcakes. Unfortunately, these 2 sets of parents helped create the narcissistic sociopaths that killed their loved ones w/o one single drip of remorse. I'm not blaming the parents for their adult child's behavior, however, these people seem to think the law doesn't apply to them. The ANTS and the Peterson's are delusional, dysfunctional, and toxic. IMO.
DrewB

[mu8shark]

Thankyou! A double thank you to whoever found a contact address online for Padilla. I have been trying to call on Nancy Grace to ask about his claim about the duct tape and the fact that none of the document dumps reflect his statement. I tried not to be too combative as he probably ignores any negative junk and may even ignore it anyways but I ask him if he misspoke, or his sources were wrong or if he had another explanation as I had defended him previously, so I will let you know although it is probably a dead end.

[mu8shark]

I re-visited the depo's yesterday. C best sharpen her pencil on the homework thing. When questioned about the events of the night when she and Amy went to Tony's apt. C stated when all 3 of them left they had gone back to the Anthony home. C stated that Liar would not take her to Zanny's to get Caylee so they went to the house. She then much later goes on to say she had different addresses and numbers. She goes on to explain how frantic she was-so C if ya had some numbers and were so frantic would it not be logical to get in your own car and check out all those addresses. She really boxed herself in on that one. Her own word's proves her lies. Never seen anything like this family-sheesh. I agree she really boxed herself in and this is going to come back to bite her. in the ass hard. If I were a prosecutor listening to her say she had numbers and addresses, I would be salivating. It proves to most normal people there is no nanny and the Anthonys do not believe there is a nanny. . As involved as Cindy was in every single detail of Caylees life or at least she tried to be, she would have called that number even before July 15 and you know it and I know it and the jury will know it. And she never went to the address or sent the PI's there? Please,..........

[mu8shark]

Cannot STAND that self-congratulatory, self-aggrandizing woman and have never watched her show. Not going to start now. (But you guys better give me a recap!!)The way she smoozes the celebrities, I can't see her actually asking any hard or difficult questions. It will be a total platform for the Anthonys to lie and relie and for Oprah to look sympathetic. If it turns out different, I would be shocked.

[Amy]

The way she smoozes the celebrities, I can't see her actually asking any hard or difficult questions. It will be a total platform for the Anthonys to lie and relie and for Oprah to look sympathetic. If it turns out different, I would be shocked.

I haven't watched her for ages, and pretty much ignore any "news" about her. What I remember @ the time I quit watching (altho I really didn't watch her much, even then) was her blowing her own horn about all the good she does. That's pretty much why I quit watching Dr Phil, too. It got to where all he was doing was bragging on himself. I was pretty much taught that you do good deeds because you do--but you don't go around making sure everyone in the world knows it was YOU. Now, if someone wants to report on what they do, that's one thing. But THEIR making sure the world knows just puts me off.

[Native Alien]

I just checked the Oprah site and so far there are 24 pages of reasons why she should not have the Anthonys on her show. I am hoping this is enough to convince someone on her staff that they need to change the programming that day.

[eatcupcakes]

I just checked the Oprah site and so far there are 24 pages of reasons why she should not have the Anthonys on her show. I am hoping this is enough to convince someone on her staff that they need to change the programming that day.

I sent an email telling her that I thought she was imposing herself right in the middle of this case. She should not be giving the Anthony's a platform that will reach all over this country and others so that Biaz can later say that Casey can not get a fair trial because of all the publicity. Oprah should stay out of it and leave it to the State of Florida and the Prosicution. I will not be watching the show.

How did you find 24 pages of reasons, I had a hard time finding a way to contact her. Thanks

[Amy]

I sent an email telling her that I thought she was imposing herself right in the middle of this case. She should not be giving the Anthony's a platform that will reach all over this country and others so that Biaz can later say that Casey can not get a fair trial because of all the publicity. Oprah should stay out of it and leave it to the State of Florida and the Prosicution. I will not be watching the show.

How did you find 24 pages of reasons, I had a hard time finding a way to contact her. Thanks

Not Native Alien here, but.....When I put my 2cents worth in, there were only 5 pages. Some addressed why she should not have them on the show, but some were more like the postings on message boards, lol. My input was that the A's might belong on Springer or Pauvich, but certainly not on a legitmate show like hers (altho I don't care for her show and don't watch it, but I left that part out.)

I was on another board and a link led to I guess her website (or the show's) and that was something about the A's being slated to be on, and what did folks have to say about that.

[deacon]

LOL! Yeah, Mary Kate is his problem. Especially when she goes to confession and wakes him up. ;)

You know I'm kidding Deacon. Don't you? :hat: The gudfaddah is an inside joke amongst me and me Irish pal in NJ. We have a blast with Father O'Malley fun making. It's all invented, based however on some truth. The funniest part is, I'm Italian and he's Irish. So it keeps him off the wop mafia jokes.

May the wind always be at your back Irish deacon. :)

Here's a good ole Irish prayer:

Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you fight with your neighbour. It makes you shoot at your landlord-- and it makes you miss him

:seeya:

Oh, I know about the jokes. I may be Irish but there is some Scotch and a little English in there too so I am pretty messed ur I mean mixed up. (not Catholic either):seeya:

[deacon]

I haven't watched her for ages, and pretty much ignore any "news" about her. What I remember @ the time I quit watching (altho I really didn't watch her much, even then) was her blowing her own horn about all the good she does. That's pretty much why I quit watching Dr Phil, too. It got to where all he was doing was bragging on himself. I was pretty much taught that you do good deeds because you do--but you don't go around making sure everyone in the world knows it was YOU. Now, if someone wants to report on what they do, that's one thing. But THEIR making sure the world knows just puts me off.

"Do not let your right hand know what your left hand is doing."

[lorettalockhorn]

Textbook narcissism...as long as Loretta gets what she wants :tongue:

Am I the only one who caught on NG that Casey has gone bulimic in jail, all busy ralfing up her pork rinds...

That cracked me up; she wants to keep her figure for court. Heelllllllllllloooooooooo She's going to have to get it back before she can keep it.

http://i19.tinypic.com/r2kdvt.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

I hear ya! Being on Oprah will do some serious damage. I really feel sorry for their attorney Conway. I'm thinking this news about the DP will derail that idea, though they are hell bent on screwing up this trial.

Here's the thing. Oprah is supposed to be all about the truth. And that's not G&C, so it simply doesn't behoove the Queen of Daytime to give them a forum. Period.

Don't feel sorry for Conway either, he's aiding and abetting them. And interestingly, I saw Morgan on one of the HLN programs remarking that as Casey's attorney wasn't present during the depositions, Conway was overstepping his role as G&C's attorney; his business is to object to privileged information only.

OT: Since G&C are giving different accounts, and refuting each other, I think they need separate attorneys. Are there any left?

[browneyes106]

I just checked the Oprah site and so far there are 24 pages of reasons why she should not have the Anthonys on her show. I am hoping this is enough to convince someone on her staff that they need to change the programming that day.

I hope so too. I hope her staff does in depth research on this case. To me it seemed that Larry King's staff didn't do much research. Maybe if they go on Oprah maybe Oprah will question a lot of things like Casey's work history and the fact that nobody has ever met the nanny. I sort of hope that at some point Tony Lazzaro goes on TV and tells his side of the story.

[browneyes106]

lol! Did you know there's a town here named Manteca? And a Los Banos?

Just on the Oprah thing, as someone who's bff works in tv, and for Harpo Productions, no less, they are loving the controversy, imo! They know their base will not quit watching, and those non-watchers who protest? Most will watch, if only to complain some more...May Sweeps! Oprah will get more commercial revenue for the quarter! Its just throwing gasoline on the fire...

The Ants WILL appear on Oprah.


My uncle lives in that town lol. I always tease him about living in Lardtown. I agree a lot of people won't stop watching Oprah because the Ants.

[browneyes106]

Ugh Jackie Peterson gave me the heebie jeebies. She could have opened her blouse in court to nurse Scott and I wouldn't have been in the least surprised.

Jackie always gave me bad vibes. I really disliked her more after reading her daughter Ann Bird's book Blood Brother.

[Justice Denied?]

Textbook narcissism...as long as Loretta gets what she wants :tongue:

Am I the only one who caught on NG that Casey has gone bulimic in jail, all busy ralfing up her pork rinds...

I heard it, but find it hard to believe that jail personell would permit such behavior. Aren't they supposed to prevent prisoners from harming themselves? What was the sourse of this info? The way it was stated it sounded like they didn't even know about it. Said something like they hadn't noticed it but would check it out.

[shadydaisy]

I agree DB. Not only do they love and support the child they raised who thought eliminating the baby they loved "more than her," they might be the ones she points the finger at-as the reason Caylee had to go. Sick all of them!
Since they have not been physically there for her with visits, something tells me she's plotting against them. Don't you think there is something wrong with the NON visit thing? Furthermore, The A's might be staying away from the visits because they are recorded. Why would that be a problem to them? If they are all innocent, why not bring on the cameras? Screw it, that's the daughter that they love and support! What can be wrong with love and support on tape? I'm thinking both sides have something to hide; Her AND her family. I, for one, smell a rat.

I'm also thinking one of them moved the body even though the Equisearch guy stated it was always there.

I think it's really, really weird that there hasn't been any visits and I think it's Casey who doesn't want to be visited. I maintain that Casey is going to blame her actions on her parents - they drove her to it - it's not her fault, blah, blah.

C&G are going on Oprah to prove how nice and normal they are. It's a theory.

[Native Alien]

Here is the link to where you can find the thread on Oprah's forum.

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/105790

I haven't read anything on there since last evening but I do see that there are more pages than there were yesterday when I looked.

[Native Alien]

On the fact that George and Cindy aren't visiting Casey, I think that is a combination of things.

Beaz doesn't want them visiting because it is recorded and he knows that he can't control Cindy and he has very limited control of Casey when her and Cindy go at it. Mail is better because it won't be recorded and it is usually not checked for anything.

[One2Snoop]

P.I. Never Paid By Anthony Family
Dominic Casey's Past Includes Financial, Legal Issues

POSTED: Wednesday, April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 1:56 pm EDT April 16, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- More has been revealed about a private investigator whose name has been brought up numerous times in the case against Casey Anthony.

Dominic Casey said he searched the woods where the remains of Caylee Anthony were later found numerous times while working for the Anthony family.

Casey has been accused of knowing the body was there and not telling anyone, but he has maintained he was sent there by a tip from a psychic and never found any evidence that Caylee's body was there.

Casey's name came up again earlier this month when the Florida Bar revealed Casey filed a complaint against Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez. Casey claimed that Baez told him not to tell anyone if he found Caylee's body.

Baez denied the claim.

"That is a ridiculous assertion," Baez said.

Casey is also entangled in the civil case against Anthony.

Lawyers representing Zenaida Gonzalez have asked a judge to find Casey in contempt of court for failing to show up for a deposition.

Anthony initially told investigators she left Caylee with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez.

Gonzalez is suing Anthony for damages to her reputation.

According to state records, the England-native has been in the construction and consulting business since at least the mid-80s.

Casey's Web site claims he and his team have more than 20 years experience with civil and criminal investigations.

Casey told investigators that Baez contracted him to help look for Caylee less than two weeks after the toddler was reported missing.

A spokeswoman for Baez said the defense never paid Casey for his services.

Casey's colleague, Jim Hoover, said Baez and Casey parted ways over a money issue.

"He and Mr. Baez had had a run-in, or a blow-out, or whatever. He stopped working for him, I guess sometime in September or October over the money issue," Hoover said.

Money was an issue for Casey at the time. He was behind on his mortgage by three months and his homeowners association said he owed over $1,000 in fees.

After ending his work with Baez, the Anthony family contracted Casey in October. Both Cindy and George Anthony, Casey Anthony's parents, have admitted under oath to having a contract with the private investigator.

"Dominic did whatever we asked him to," Cindy Anthony said during a deposition.

Cindy Anthony said the family asked him to help look for Caylee by following up on possible sighting and looking for the missing toddler.

In December, Caylee's remains were found in the wooded area where Casey searched. The defense is expected to use Casey's search to prove that Caylee's remains were placed there after Casey Anthony was already in jail.

George Anthony said the family has not paid Casey for his services.

Casey also had legal troubles. He was arrested in 2003 on domestic abuse charges. He was accused of verbally abusing and pushing a female family member, but the state attorney's office later decided not to prosecute him.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19191289/detail.html#-

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Casey also had legal troubles. He was arrested in 2003 on domestic abuse charges. He was accused of verbally abusing and pushing a female family member, but the state attorney's office later decided not to prosecute him.

Hmmm D Casey and Cindy Anthony. Match made in hell.

[deacon]

>>Casey also had legal troubles. He was arrested in 2003 on domestic abuse charges. He was accused of verbally abusing and pushing a female family member, but the state attorney's office later decided not to prosecute him.

Hmmm D Casey and Cindy Anthony. Match made in hell.

You could probably sell tickets to that one.:biggrin: WWE Style!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

You could probably sell tickets to that one.:biggrin: WWE Style!!!

LMAO What a way for the tyrANTs to raise money for the defense. But we have to draw the line at calling Cindy a Gorgeous Girl. Of course, George has already given that title to Casey. :hat:

[browneyes106]

Here is the link to where you can find the thread on Oprah's forum.

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/105790

I haven't read anything on there since last evening but I do see that there are more pages than there were yesterday when I looked.

Thanks for posting that link.

[One2Snoop]

You could probably sell tickets to that one.:biggrin: WWE Style!!!

http://i39.tinypic.com/2vnjl8h.jpg

[eatcupcakes]

Jackie always gave me bad vibes. I really disliked her more after reading her daughter Ann Bird's book Blood Brother.

You know the apple didn't fall far from the tree as Scott's is as looney as his parents. Jackie was sickening. G & C both have issues and Cindy seems to have a personality problem of some sort but not being a physcharist I am only guessing. Although it may not be quite appropriate to blame the parents for the crimes the children commit, they are responsible in some part because of the way they (Scott and Casey) turned out. It seems both set of these parents gave these children grandoise ideas about themselves. They covered for them when they should have been making them take the punishment for their bad behavior. I don't know if sociopaths are born or created by their environment but perhaps it plays some roll. Does anyone know the answer to this question.

[browneyes106]

There are a lot of great posts on the Oprah forum.

[browneyes106]

You know the apple didn't fall far from the tree as Scott's is as looney as his parents. Jackie was sickening. G & C both have issues and Cindy seems to have a personality problem of some sort but not being a physcharist I am only guessing. Although it may not be quite appropriate to blame the parents for the crimes the children commit, they are responsible in some part because of the way they (Scott and Casey) turned out. It seems both set of these parents gave these children grandoise ideas about themselves. They covered for them when they should have been making them take the punishment for their bad behavior. I don't know if sociopaths are born or created by their environment but perhaps it plays some roll. Does anyone know the answer to this question.

I haven't read the book in awhile but I remember Jackie was described as a money hungry obsessed person. I think Cindy fits that profile as well. The only big differences is that the Peterson's actually made good money unlike the Ants who lived above their means. Cindy's brother said in his topix posts that back when the Ants lived in Ohio. Cindy didn't work as a nurse and she was jealous of George's relatives' auto businesses. She was really jealous of George's sister whose husband owned a business in another town. My theory is that George was content in his LE career but Cindy's greed pushed him to work with his dad and later George pushed his dad through a window and because of that incident George couldn't pursue another LE career. I think with sociopaths environment can play a huge part. I think George and Cindy have always been a dysfunctional couple.

[eatcupcakes]

I haven't read the book in awhile but I remember Jackie was described as a money hungry obsessed person. I think Cindy fits that profile as well. The only big differences is that the Peterson's actually made good money unlike the Ants who lived above their means. Cindy's brother said in his topix posts that back when the Ants lived in Ohio. Cindy didn't work as a nurse and she was jealous of George's relatives' auto businesses. She was really jealous of George's sister whose husband owned a business in another town. My theory is that George was content in his LE career but Cindy's greed pushed him to work with his dad and later George pushed his dad through a window and because of that incident George couldn't pursue another LE career. I think with sociopaths environment can play a huge part. I think George and Cindy have always been a dysfunctional couple.

No doubt about them being dysfunctional, I just could not believe their behavior at the DP. Poor little Caylee did not have a chance being raised with this group. It is such ashamed that she wasn't put up for adoption. She appeared to be so bright and sweet she could have made some couple very happy. However it does not seem like Cindy is in the business of making others happy, she only cares about what makes Cindy happy.

[browneyes106]

No doubt about them being dysfunctional, I just could not believe their behavior at the DP. Poor little Caylee did not have a chance being raised with this group. It is such ashamed that she wasn't put up for adoption. She appeared to be so bright and sweet she could have made some couple very happy. However it does not seem like Cindy is in the business of making others happy, she only cares about what makes Cindy happy.


I agree Cindy seems extremely self centered. I She should have respected Casey's wishes and let Caylee be adopted. I wonder if George would have been ok with Caylee being adopted. I think at the time of Casey's pregnancy she should went to an adoption center or somewhere and made arrangements for Caylee to be adopted. She was over 18 at the time of the pregnancy. I think Caylee's paternity would have kept the adoption from happening. They would wanted her father tracked down to sign away his rights. I have a theory that Cindy somehow broke up Casey and Jesse because she figured they would have gotten married and Jesse would have been raising Caylee as his own. I think Cindy didn't want to share Caylee wit the Grunds. In the end it was just a bad situation.

[One2Snoop]

Nancy Grace
Tot mom texting all night! 3:56
In newly released phone records, Casey Anthony is text messaging friends of hers after Caylee goes missing!

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/04/16/ng.mom.texting.cnn

[Amy]

I heard it, but find it hard to believe that jail personell would permit such behavior. Aren't they supposed to prevent prisoners from harming themselves? What was the sourse of this info? The way it was stated it sounded like they didn't even know about it. Said something like they hadn't noticed it but would check it out.

I think it would kind of hard to prevent her from sticking her finger down her throat, unless someone is staring @ her toilet 24/7. I think they would not even be allowed a camera to be focused on her toilet--even tho people do give up some rights when they break the law, I don't think the privacy of relieving oneself would be one of them.

[Amy]

P.I. Never Paid By Anthony Family
Dominic Casey's Past Includes Financial, Legal Issues

POSTED: Wednesday, April 15, 2009
UPDATED: 1:56 pm EDT April 16, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- More has been revealed about a private investigator whose name has been brought up numerous times in the case against Casey Anthony.

Dominic Casey said he searched the woods where the remains of Caylee Anthony were later found numerous times while working for the Anthony family.

Casey has been accused of knowing the body was there and not telling anyone, but he has maintained he was sent there by a tip from a psychic and never found any evidence that Caylee's body was there.

Casey's name came up again earlier this month when the Florida Bar revealed Casey filed a complaint against Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez. Casey claimed that Baez told him not to tell anyone if he found Caylee's body.

Baez denied the claim.

"That is a ridiculous assertion," Baez said.

Casey is also entangled in the civil case against Anthony.

Lawyers representing Zenaida Gonzalez have asked a judge to find Casey in contempt of court for failing to show up for a deposition.

Anthony initially told investigators she left Caylee with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez.

Gonzalez is suing Anthony for damages to her reputation.

According to state records, the England-native has been in the construction and consulting business since at least the mid-80s.

Casey's Web site claims he and his team have more than 20 years experience with civil and criminal investigations.

Casey told investigators that Baez contracted him to help look for Caylee less than two weeks after the toddler was reported missing.

A spokeswoman for Baez said the defense never paid Casey for his services.

Casey's colleague, Jim Hoover, said Baez and Casey parted ways over a money issue.

"He and Mr. Baez had had a run-in, or a blow-out, or whatever. He stopped working for him, I guess sometime in September or October over the money issue," Hoover said.

Money was an issue for Casey at the time. He was behind on his mortgage by three months and his homeowners association said he owed over $1,000 in fees.

After ending his work with Baez, the Anthony family contracted Casey in October. Both Cindy and George Anthony, Casey Anthony's parents, have admitted under oath to having a contract with the private investigator.

"Dominic did whatever we asked him to," Cindy Anthony said during a deposition.

Cindy Anthony said the family asked him to help look for Caylee by following up on possible sighting and looking for the missing toddler.

In December, Caylee's remains were found in the wooded area where Casey searched. The defense is expected to use Casey's search to prove that Caylee's remains were placed there after Casey Anthony was already in jail.

George Anthony said the family has not paid Casey for his services.

Casey also had legal troubles. He was arrested in 2003 on domestic abuse charges. He was accused of verbally abusing and pushing a female family member, but the state attorney's office later decided not to prosecute him.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19191289/detail.html#-

When I read the headline, it sounded like, he wasn't ever paid by the A's, therefore was not in their employ.

But, I do see where there was a contract but the A's have not paid Casey for work done. I still think he was "in their employ" @ the time of the woods search. And, I'm betting his search was the result of some conference they all had @ one point, discussing where Caylee's body could be. Trying to get into Casey's mind to figure out where she might have put Caylee. IMO.

[Amy]

I agree Cindy seems extremely self centered. I She should have respected Casey's wishes and let Caylee be adopted. I wonder if George would have been ok with Caylee being adopted. I think at the time of Casey's pregnancy she should went to an adoption center or somewhere and made arrangements for Caylee to be adopted. She was over 18 at the time of the pregnancy. I think Caylee's paternity would have kept the adoption from happening. They would wanted her father tracked down to sign away his rights. I have a theory that Cindy somehow broke up Casey and Jesse because she figured they would have gotten married and Jesse would have been raising Caylee as his own. I think Cindy didn't want to share Caylee wit the Grunds. In the end it was just a bad situation.

I don't think the bio mom not giving the info about the bio dad prevents adoptions. I am sure the mom would be encouraged to give that info, and I'm sure the agencies would rather have the dad sign away his rights, too. But here, anyway, adoptions go thru whether there is bio dad info, signed rights or not.

I think that Cindy probably never pushed Casey for the bio-dad info. Like, she says she suspected that Casey was pregnant (different story than Uncle Rick's, but who would I believe?) but that she didn't push Casey to tell her, blah, blah, blah. Probably didn't push her about any lies. Probably couldn't have believed what Casey would say, anyway. But, my point, and I DO have one---is I agree that Cindy most likely did NOT want to share Caylee with the Grunds. And, I don't think she WANTED to know the bio dad--because there would be a problem of having to share Caylee with not only the bio dad, but HIS parents and whatever else family there might be.

[Amy]

Here's the thing. Oprah is supposed to be all about the truth. And that's not G&C, so it simply doesn't behoove the Queen of Daytime to give them a forum. Period.

Don't feel sorry for Conway either, he's aiding and abetting them. And interestingly, I saw Morgan on one of the HLN programs remarking that as Casey's attorney wasn't present during the depositions, Conway was overstepping his role as G&C's attorney; his business is to object to privileged information only.

OT: Since G&C are giving different accounts, and refuting each other, I think they need separate attorneys. Are there any left?

If there are, I am sure they are scurrying for the nearest exit ramp out of Orlando!!!! Probably making sure their caller ID's work, so as to no answer any calls from anyone named Anthony. (Hope there aren't others in OC with that name who are looking for the services of an attorney!!!)

[Amy]

I think you hit it on the head my dear! No way Okra is going to get down on these 'loving grandparents who have lost their Caylee'. Even in the court of public opinion it would make Okra look bad, getting on the grieving victims.
She will ask questions and leet them speak BS as usual. I'd like to submit a few ?'s she can ask them...........if anyone cares to add on a few, go for it.

Why does the evidence prove your daughter was not looking for Caylee, but partying, during the months of June into July?

Why is there not one phone call from Casey to Zani OR Zani to Casey..Not One. Ever.

Why did Caylee not recognize the name Zani when your husband brought it up to her?

How do you think the items that match items from your home were found with Caylee?

Why did you lie about your fight with Casey on the 15th of June? You had just found out about the money she stole from Poppa.

Did you know your daughter has a shamrock tattoo on her posterior? Why did Casey get a tattoo after her daughter went missing, with the words; Beautiful Life. What could be so beautiful when your child has been 'kidnapped'?

You guys continue, my blood pressure is going up!:flamemad:

If you, Cindy, had the phone number and address of Zany as you put out in your depo in the civil case, why did YOU not try to call or contact Zany? And don't give me the crap about protecting Caylee or the family, you did not know the need for that until AFTER July 15--so why did you not use that number and address to be in contact w/Caylee?

[browneyes106]

I don't think the bio mom not giving the info about the bio dad prevents adoptions. I am sure the mom would be encouraged to give that info, and I'm sure the agencies would rather have the dad sign away his rights, too. But here, anyway, adoptions go thru whether there is bio dad info, signed rights or not.

I think that Cindy probably never pushed Casey for the bio-dad info. Like, she says she suspected that Casey was pregnant (different story than Uncle Rick's, but who would I believe?) but that she didn't push Casey to tell her, blah, blah, blah. Probably didn't push her about any lies. Probably couldn't have believed what Casey would say, anyway. But, my point, and I DO have one---is I agree that Cindy most likely did NOT want to share Caylee with the Grunds. And, I don't think she WANTED to know the bio dad--because there would be a problem of having to share Caylee with not only the bio dad, but HIS parents and whatever else family there might be.

Awhile ago on NG they played a recording of Rick's interview and he talked about how Cindy was denying Casey was pregnant. I agree with you I don't think Cindy ever wanted to know the info about Caylee's bio dad because she would have share Caylee with another family. I do wonder if Caylee missed out on great grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunts and most of all a good father.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree Cindy seems extremely self centered. I She should have respected Casey's wishes and let Caylee be adopted. I wonder if George would have been ok with Caylee being adopted. I think at the time of Casey's pregnancy she should went to an adoption center or somewhere and made arrangements for Caylee to be adopted. She was over 18 at the time of the pregnancy. I think Caylee's paternity would have kept the adoption from happening. They would wanted her father tracked down to sign away his rights. I have a theory that Cindy somehow broke up Casey and Jesse because she figured they would have gotten married and Jesse would have been raising Caylee as his own. I think Cindy didn't want to share Caylee wit the Grunds. In the end it was just a bad situation.

No clue about FL, but in AR the requirement is for a notice of intent for adoption to be placed in newspapers naming the father or putative father or unknown father of... if that's the case. No answer is considered to be relinquishment of parental rights.

NG is showing clips of the deposition where Cindy says that where Casey stayed and what she did and that Caylee's care (paraphrased) was none of her business. :rolleyes:

Nancy is really ramping up her Ant hate. But I wonder if Casey's going to be knocked out of her Most Fhated Child Killer position by Melissa Huckaby.

[lorettalockhorn]

Dude, I got room in my heart for both...

HAHAHA With room for the many more who are out there.

It's just amazing to me that THs want us to believe that the prosecution wants to paint a picture of a bad mother or ruin Casey's rep. Helllllllooooo she did a damn good job of that herself! I am so hoping and praying that the reason this in-depth phone/text log was mapped out is to purport that Caylee had been babysat by chloroform more than once and that The State has the tox evidence to prove it.

And keep lying G&C. Because not only does it make you look like the biggest dumbarses this side of Bill and Ted, it makes you look desperate to cover not only for Casey but for yourselves. If George Anthony saw Casey AND Caylee ALIVE on 6/16 after noon, I'll eat my hat.

[deputydi]

No clue about FL, but in AR the requirement is for a notice of intent for adoption to be placed in newspapers naming the father or putative father or unknown father of... if that's the case. No answer is considered to be relinquishment of parental rights.

NG is showing clips of the deposition where Cindy says that where Casey stayed and what she did and that Caylee's care (paraphrased) was none of her business. :rolleyes:

Nancy is really ramping up her Ant hate. But I wonder if Casey's going to be knocked out of her Most Fhated Child Killer position by Melissa Huckaby.
It's pretty much the same in PA also. A good faith attempt to determine the father must be made even if it is only newspaper notification. If a potential father steps forward, DNA testing is done to determine parenthood. If there is no response, that can be considered relinquishment of rights.

This method is pretty risky for the adoptive parents because someone can come forward at any point in the future and say he never saw the notification and would never have signed away parental rights. Then it is up to a judge.

For whatever reason :shrug: courts tend to favor the bio parents. Seems a bit unfair to me -- especially when the child has been raised from infancy by the adoptive parents and is now 4 or 5 yrs old.

[deputydi]

No clue about FL, but in AR the requirement is for a notice of intent for adoption to be placed in newspapers naming the father or putative father or unknown father of... if that's the case. No answer is considered to be relinquishment of parental rights.

NG is showing clips of the deposition where Cindy says that where Casey stayed and what she did and that Caylee's care (paraphrased) was none of her business. :rolleyes:

Nancy is really ramping up her Ant hate. But I wonder if Casey's going to be knocked out of her Most Fhated Child Killer position by Melissa Huckaby.
There is a real good chance Casey is going to have to share the title with Melissa. Sorry, Casey -- you lose again. Dang -- isn't there ANYTHING she can claim for her very own?

[tv]

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that Cindy looks a little maniacal in the deposition video? She has a strange look in her eye...it's scary. :eek:

[Amy]

HAHAHA With room for the many more who are out there.

It's just amazing to me that THs want us to believe that the prosecution wants to paint a picture of a bad mother or ruin Casey's rep. Helllllllooooo she did a damn good job of that herself! I am so hoping and praying that the reason this in-depth phone/text log was mapped out is to purport that Caylee had been babysat by chloroform more than once and that The State has the tox evidence to prove it.

And keep lying G&C. Because not only does it make you look like the biggest dumbarses this side of Bill and Ted, it makes you look desperate to cover not only for Casey but for yourselves. If George Anthony saw Casey AND Caylee ALIVE on 6/16 after noon, I'll eat my hat.

The white haired defense lawyer (sorry, she has such long introductions of these people, I don't even listen to there names so much) sounded like Bambino or something. Anyway, he sure got his dander up about the dead body smell. Who made the A's "experts" on that? Uh, he's former LE, she's a nurse. (NG could have pointed out that George even said in his interview you guys know it's a smell you never forget. Yep, George knows what a dead body in a damn car smells like. Plus OTHER LE said that, and the tow yard guy who ALSO has smelled that dead body smell before.

Then the lawyer was going on about how it won't be proven a dead HUMAN body smell until the state's experts have been cross examined by the defense!!!! Geeesh!!!! He's way, way off in la-la land, IMO. Baez and company better not get him on "the team" he's as delusional as the others about some of this stuff.

[tv]

Nope-she is very scary looking :chicken:

There seemed to be so much hatred in her -- I know they're in a bad situation but geez...she's going to have to face the truth sooner or later. Actually, I think she's already faced it; she just needs to admit that she's known it since she smelled the odor in the car.

As far as Oprah goes -- I hope it's not going to be a softball interview. Does anyone know if the Ants have set conditions for appearing? Such as questions they won't answer?

[Native Alien]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/04/oprah-winfrey-shes-not-paying-the-anthonys-got-it.html

According to the above link Oprah is not paying the Ants anything but then I would bet that she is paying their expenses while they are there for her show.

I also read somewhere that she doesn't allow any restrictions on her interviews. I just can't remember where I read it at.

[One2Snoop]

Hmmm, thanks snoop. Am I wrong to say that Lee visited Casey in jail before the body was found and that they were talking in code "before" the body was found?

Didn't he ask her a lot of questions and mention something in his questioning like, :Is it a place we are familiar with? or that mom is familiar with?

I seem to recall but I'm not sure I'm recalling correctly, that he appeared to be asking her where Caylee was.

(Oh and wasn't she enjoying the hell out of Lee's struggle to get her to answer him.)

Absolutely what I recall. Danagher you should never question your ability to recall things. I believe your memory has always been spot on. . :beer:

[loveslife]

Watched excerpts of the Anthony's depostion. Talk about hostile! I don't know if anyone who has watched that get the impression that they're actions could seriously hurt their daughters case and the public look less favorably upon them. The brother/son depostion was also detremental to Casey also. And what was with those little laughs!?:shrug:

Didn't envy the person that was questiong the Anthonys. All I can say is the whole family puts the dys in dysfuntional. Can't wait for the trial.

I'm not for giving Casey the death penalty. Put her away for the rest of her life. My reasoning is this: she is all about having fun and having men fawn over her. Put her butt in prison for the rest of her life where she has absolutely nothing to look forward to. No parties, no drinking and no men. She may end up as some butch ****'s girlfriend.:eek:

Know that the DP has been put back on the table but its still going to be a bumpy ride to her and her family. You reap what you sow.

[One2Snoop]

Watched excerpts of the Anthony's depostion. Talk about hostile! I don't know if anyone who has watched that get the impression that they're actions could seriously hurt their daughters case and the public look less favorably upon them. The brother/son depostion was also detramental to Casey also. And what was with those little laughs!?:shrug:

Didn't envy the person that was questiong the Anthonys. All I can say is the whole family puts the dys in dysfuntional. Can't wait for the trial.

I'm not for giving Casey the death penalty. Put her away for the rest of her life. My reasoning is this: she is all about having fun and having men fawn over her. Put her butt in prison for the rest of her life where she has absolutely nothing to look forward to. No parties, no drinking and no men. She may end up as some butch ****'s girlfriend.:eek:

Know that the DP has been put back on the table but its still going to be a bumpy ride to her and her family. You reap what you sow.



ITA! Welcome to CL, loveslife. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

Yeah, but you put it up against Jane Velez-Mitchell's mullet...who wins?

Just to clarify: I am no job snob! I was bugged by LP's assumption that any woman who cleans houses dreams of becoming a babysitter. It also implied that housecleaning was a lower level of work than babysitting. I actually don't think there is any low level of work, and I don't know why people push the college education to the exclusion of other options. I have learned from experience that many college degrees will get you less pay than a good construction position (for example, way back when I was painting a gallery for $12.00 and hour-position required at least a BA since it was "museum". The union painters came over and laughed at us- they were being paid $27 per by the same employer. No BA needed. We felt stupid. And then we went home and paid our student loans, too, lol!)

Did someone say mullet?

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[eatcupcakes]

As Java pointed out May is sweeps-so i am sure the Ant's will be on despite the emails etc. I am going to keep sending them tho-maybe O will read some of em to the Ant's-that would be cool eh? :biggrin:

Good for you, I will do the same.

[Amy]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/04/oprah-winfrey-shes-not-paying-the-anthonys-got-it.html

According to the above link Oprah is not paying the Ants anything but then I would bet that she is paying their expenses while they are there for her show.

I also read somewhere that she doesn't allow any restrictions on her interviews. I just can't remember where I read it at.

I'm betting that she makes exceptions for people she really, really wants on her show, tho. If she wants them bad enough, she will make exceptions, IMO. The ratings matter more to her than to the A's.

And a fuly paid for trip--don't have to have pocket change for meals, don't have to worry about the taxi fare to get around, don't have to worry about the hotel bill, and probably will have something "extra" in order to see whatever famous sights are available there (where the heck is this show taped, anyway?) Yep, doesn't cost the A's anything, even if they aren't going to get paid. And it's not like they will be losing any wages for the time away from home.

[eatcupcakes]

ROTFLMHO!!!!! Dummy! :hat:


Goodnight Pisces! Stay strong and happy!



Yes and as far as Educations go there are many successfull people who don't even have high school educations, John Trovolta and Nicole Kidman are two that come to mind.

[Amy]

Yes and as far as Educations go there are many successfull people who don't even have high school educations, John Trovolta and Nicole Kidman are two that come to mind.

Bill Gates. Was he a high school drop-out or a college drop-out?

[eatcupcakes]

Hey Beemer! What time is it over there? You're still up!

I remember the James Fry book interview. That book was a best seller because of him, not her. Unfortunately new writers don't know all the rules. He forgot to put in a small disclaimer. His publishers should have done that. He continued to write, published another book and suffered losses because of Oprah. I would have sued her for that. It was uncalled for, but that show got high ratings for Okra Wimpy. ;)

I stopped needing to watch Oprah after she got perfect. I liked her when she was depressed, poor, fat and humble. Her followers are needy for icons. Groupies? Is that the right word?


nawny is starting on Oprah now. :cuss: She's hungry for blood tonight! I drank the haterade.

I stopped watching her show when she started having all these self help specialist on all the time. I had the feeling she was so into that because she needed it herself. I could not stand Dr. Phil either and she had him on evey week then gave him a show of his own. I don't like perfect people LOL.

[lorettalockhorn]

I didn't have a problem with what he said about her work. When times were hard, shortly after ending a 20 year marriage, I cleaned houses for a while and was grateful for my humble career. :) Things changed, thankfully. But, I did have a problem with his insistence that he knows when, where, why, and what time Caylee was murdered and by whom! How the frick does he know that and seem so sure of it? NG 'd like to chew him up and make him road kill. She isn't going to make him the NG show's mascot any time soon.

I think Padilla is sheer entertainment. He's smug, but that's his worst sin IMO. I wouldn't leave home for him though. :hat:

Danagher can't go on NG. She's incognito. An Italian with an Irish screen name? It won't work. I am 100% Italian. Besides, I'd tell NG that I hate her hair.

Padilla is a pig; his claim that he knows what is in ZFG's heart and mind and what her aspirations and abilities are and where she is going in life is every bit as ridic as his "knowing" every detail of the murder scenario and all about the Daisy Chain and knowing all about the fingerprint on the duct tape. If he knows these things he should publish them. For now he's just along for whatever benefits he can reap by being like a remora; he's attached himself to this case and isn't going to let go. He could very well be correct with his theories but it's interesting that he never spills what he knows.

And even though attorneys get a bad rap, it's interesting that LP is only a bounty hunter; many people probably consider that to be a much lower position than an officer of the court. Or maybe he lost his privilege to practice law (if he ever passed the bar) after being in prison.

[lorettalockhorn]

Watched excerpts of the Anthony's depostion. Talk about hostile! I don't know if anyone who has watched that get the impression that they're actions could seriously hurt their daughters case and the public look less favorably upon them. The brother/son depostion was also detremental to Casey also. And what was with those little laughs!?:shrug:

Didn't envy the person that was questiong the Anthonys. All I can say is the whole family puts the dys in dysfuntional. Can't wait for the trial.

I'm not for giving Casey the death penalty. Put her away for the rest of her life. My reasoning is this: she is all about having fun and having men fawn over her. Put her butt in prison for the rest of her life where she has absolutely nothing to look forward to. No parties, no drinking and no men. She may end up as some butch ****'s girlfriend.:eek:

Know that the DP has been put back on the table but its still going to be a bumpy ride to her and her family. You reap what you sow.

Hey Loveslife! :seeya:

Interesting how disrespectful G&C were to Morgan and Mitnik compared to how they behaved toward LE during the investigation. They lied and gave conflicting statements and Cindy stuck her foot in her mouth regarding the fact that she did not seize the opportunity to clear Morgan's ZFG. She should be added to the lawsuit. One thing that I'm glad to see is that NG now seems to be more supportive of her (ZFG).

Really think that G&C have hurt Casey more than helped her. They make it seem absolutely necessary to lie. One of the reasons that Casey deserves the death penalty IMO is because it's so obvious how far G&C are willing to go for her benefit, yet it was not enough. Nothing is enough.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did someone say mullet?

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HAHA I had watched JVM religiously for about two weeks before I figured out that's what her hairstyle is. Can you believe she's 53?! She looks like she's in her thirties.

[Justice Denied?]

And don't forget that they get a daily stipend for expenses, meals, etc. I wonder how much flexibility they have on how much is given?

There are many ways that this could be sweetened without anyone being "paid" for their appearance.

How about a licensing fee for pictures of Caylee or Casey that haven't been shown before? That's usually a favorite to hide appearance fees.

[lorettalockhorn]

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OK...Who Wins?

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LMAO!!!!!!!!! Jane and Carol B win for wholesomeness.

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wins for catapulting the mullet to it's own level of repulsiveness.

[Justice Denied?]

Aww thank you snoop. But you know I have that CRS thing sometimes and more often, I don't have all the facts.
I have a real creepy feeling that Casey got someone in that family to help her. I hope I'm wrong! The passion Cindy has for thwarting the facts is making me very nervous. It wreaks of some kind of guilt or cover up. It's too obvious and so difficult to prove. Liars love to play with facts that are difficult to prove.

I just don't believe that C & G were involved in the death or disposal of the body, based on the way they acted when the car was discovered and when it was discovered Caylee was missing. They were honest then, talking about the decomposition. Then they changed their minds and started covering up. JMO, MOO

[Zingo]

Does anybody worry that having the death penalty might make a jury less likely to convict? It certainly will add to the length of the trial, and the cost to taxpayers, due to the extra layers of voir dire, and then automatic appeals.

I am so nervous that Casey will get away with this crime!

I worry about an O.J.-type jury situation.

Casey and Baez are so smug. They talk of the "powers that are out to get" her.

They're really trying to turn this into an O.J.-type conspiracy, where jurors who are suspicious of LE are sympathetic to this cretin, Casey Anthony.

Already, we see people who are sympathic to her: sending her money for her commissary account.

I really want justice for Caylee.

Everytime I see Casey smiling, and acting like the belle of the ball, I want to puke.

She is the lowest form of life. I can't bear to look at her or her family anymore. They are worse than the mafia to me. They think society should not prosecute Casey for killing her own.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow-good genes or botox-either way it's working for her. Yes i do think her hair is in a 70's time warp. LOL Glad to hear your back on the chips again-we gals need our carbs :tongue:

Oh boy, am I ever back on the chips! That was a loonnnnnngggg 46 days.

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anybody worry that having the death penalty might make a jury less likely to convict? It certainly will add to the length of the trial, and the cost to taxpayers, due to the extra layers of voir dire, and then automatic appeals.

I am so nervous that Casey will get away with this crime!

I worry about an O.J.-type jury situation.

Casey and Baez are so smug. They talk of the "powers that are out to get" her.

They're really trying to turn this into an O.J.-type conspiracy, where jurors who are suspicious of LE are sympathetic to this cretin, Casey Anthony.

Already, we see people who are sympathic to her: sending her money for her commissary account.

I really want justice for Caylee.

Everytime I see Casey smiling, and acting like the belle of the ball, I want to puke.

She is the lowest form of life. I can't bear to look at her or her family anymore. They are worse than the mafia to me. They think society should not prosecute Casey for killing her own.

Hey Zingo, long time no!

The jury won't be obligated to impose the death penalty.

So funny that Baez considers that there are powers out to get Casey. What? LE should just ignore her crimes against The State? And don't you just have to wonder WHY Cindy didn't whip out that book with all those Zanny phone numbers and addresses so that the Po Po could track her down and retrieve Caylee before the 55 (or fifty) days were up?

LE and the prosecution have done a great job of piecing together the puzzle and gathering forensic and circumstantial evidence here despite the fact that Casey did her damnedest to pretend that Caylee didn't exist and despite the fact that G&C have turned their backs on Cindy's third child.

[deputydi]

Does anybody worry that having the death penalty might make a jury less likely to convict? It certainly will add to the length of the trial, and the cost to taxpayers, due to the extra layers of voir dire, and then automatic appeals.
<snip>
Absolutely not. Death qualified jurors are MORE likely to convict. My personal opinion, however -- while I do believe she will be convicted, she won't be sentenced to death. LWOP is my prediction.

[lorettalockhorn]

HAHAHAHA LMAO!

OOOH, doesn't he just want to make you run your fingers through his hair??

Joe Dirt is my fave mullet, but Jane is packin a close second! It ain't Phil's real do, so that doesn't count, eh?

LOLOLOL!

LMAO I wouldn't run run someone else's fingers through Dog's hair!

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Joe Dirt Wants YOU!!

[Zingo]

Hey Zingo, long time no!

The jury won't be obligated to impose the death penalty.

So funny that Baez considers that there are powers out to get Casey. What? LE should just ignore her crimes against The State? And don't you just have to wonder WHY Cindy didn't whip out that book with all those Zanny phone numbers and addresses so that the Po Po could track her down and retrieve Caylee before the 55 (or fifty) days were up?

LE and the prosecution have done a great job of piecing together the puzzle and gathering forensic and circumstantial evidence here despite the fact that Casey did her damnedest to pretend that Caylee didn't exist and despite the fact that G&C have turned their backs on Cindy's third child.

Good points, Loretta.

I'm sure Cindy has already concluded those were phony numbers and addresses, or ones belonging to Casey's friends.

C&G are so desperate to not lose their "ring finger," Casey, that they will do or say ANYTHING, regardless of the illogic or outright deceit of what they're saying.

They know in their hearts Casey did it. They try to convince the world that Casey is covering for someone else. But they cannot explain away the obvious question: If they suspect someone else besides their daughter, why aren't they doing everything they can to bring that person to justice???

Finding the real killer would solve all their problems wouldn't it?

But it's so much easier to blame law enforcement for a conspiracy to get Casey than to go after a non-existant nanny.