Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Native Alien]

Excuse me but I don't think that the Jury in the OJ case were the least bit confused. They had reasonable doubt and having watched that whole trial I have to say that I did too. But then a large part of that could have been that I feel like I had knowledge that backed up what the defense team in that case said on more than one occasion.

I also disagree with your statement that the state of Florida wants to deal with a moron. That is the very last thing that they want. That is in and of itself, a case for appeal for ineffective council.

I do believe that if someone with some serious trial experience doesn't get on the defense team and soon, this whole thing is going to be a pretty much wash out as far as the trial goes. It won't matter what is decided with the upcoming trial because she will have grounds for ineffective council and an appeal on it at this rate.

[shadydaisy]

Ooooooh! Nawny just fainted........

:no:

Going over to the Anything you want to discuss board.....

[Native Alien]

NA I want to disagree with you for obvious reasons. But I can't argue about something I don't know enough about. I believe you when you say, ineffective counsel is grounds for appeal and I pray the other seven members of the team will neutralize that. I also hope that the evidence will make the jury rethink the fact that most killers have one attorney, so she seems over protected. Her representation is more than fair. No?

OT
As for OJ, the investigators messed with evidence. Of course he was guilty, but that bad crew of Fungian's supplied plenty of reasonable doubt. The jury was committed to go with a Not Guilty plea. Too many stupid and sloppy mistakes there. But one good thing is, that trial set a president for investigators to be very careful with evidence now.

I don't think the Prosecutors will mess this one up.

Ineffective council is grounds for appeal and with Bozo at the helm that is all the jury is going to see. I hope that someone lets Casey in on the fact that he is not acting in her best interest in my opinion. His courtroom manners and his way of speaking in the courtroom are atrocious at best. His command of the legal system leaves alot to be desired.

I disagree with you that OJ was guilty. It is my personal opinion that he didn't have anything to do with the actual physical attack and yes, like I said, I have personal knowledge that tells me this is the case. But we are in agreement that the prosecution made a mess of that case.

[joekuhl79]

http://i31.tinypic.com/2mpwrvm.jpg

LOL! "Wet noodle"!

[Gatordog]

:eek: Ummmm does that say penis pasta? http://i44.tinypic.com/10e0dvo.jpg

LOL - you read my mind. Hey Nawny and OS - you want alfredo or clam sauce with that pasta?

Gator

[Gatordog]

NA I want to disagree with you for obvious reasons. But I can't argue about something I don't know enough about. I believe you when you say, ineffective counsel is grounds for appeal and I pray the other seven members of the team will neutralize that. I also hope that the evidence will make the jury rethink the fact that most killers have one attorney, so she seems over protected. Her representation is more than fair. No?

OT
As for OJ, the investigators messed with evidence. Of course he was guilty, but that bad crew of Fungian's supplied plenty of reasonable doubt. The jury was committed to go with a Not Guilty plea. Too many stupid and sloppy mistakes there. But one good thing is, that trial set a president for investigators to be very careful with evidence now.

I don't think the Prosecutors will mess this one up.


Nawny, hope you had a wonderful time last night. Happy Anniversary, again.

I agree with your logic on ineffective counsel. If he was the only attorney defending her, then the court would have to evaluate the appeal. But, with seven other attorneys on the team, I don't think there is any possibility of an appeal on those grounds. Plus, during the trial, the other team members might be doing the questioning.

As for OJ, there was no reasonable doubt IMO. It has to be reasonable, there could always be some doubt, but is it reasonable? How much is reasonable? 5% chance, 10% chance? That jury was selected because the defense knew they would not find OJ guilty, not even if he had the knife in his hand and was dripping in blood. There was one hold out juror and they intimidated her into a not guilty verdict. Me, I'd still be holding out if I thought someone was guilty.

Gator

[Mojo]

Ineffective council is grounds for appeal and with Bozo at the helm that is all the jury is going to see. I hope that someone lets Casey in on the fact that he is not acting in her best interest in my opinion. His courtroom manners and his way of speaking in the courtroom are atrocious at best. His command of the legal system leaves alot to be desired.

I disagree with you that OJ was guilty. It is my personal opinion that he didn't have anything to do with the actual physical attack and yes, like I said, I have personal knowledge that tells me this is the case. But we are in agreement that the prosecution made a mess of that case.

Could you elaborate on your personal knowledge? I don't mean to pry but I was just curious. I will admit that I did not watch that trial or get too deep in the case, but wasn't his blood found at the scene? Also, I think I heard that Nicole and Ron's blood was found in OJ's car?

[Mojo]

So much evidence! The car, the glove, the blood, seen fleeing the area, Kato Kalin's hearing a smash against the wall as OJ came running in the dark and hit the AC!, Prior physical abuse BIG time, motive, means, etc etc, but more importantly, this was a CRIME OF PASSION, VERY PERSONAL, so personal. He lied on the stand to get out of it. And those Bruno M uglyass shoes gave him away too! Murderer!

I will agree with you there, OS! From what I remember his DNA was everywhere. I also remember the whole town of LA was going to riot if he was convicted. I sometimes wonder if that's why the jury let him off. It would have been ugly if he was found guilty.

[Mojo]

I was 9 months pregnant on the first day of the car chase...I lived this case, and was horrified at what happened. Even lit candles in Honor of Nic and Ron, because all I could think was about how they saw..... They knew what was going down..and who was doing it. Home videos of my daughter every day (first time mom) show CTV in the background and the case......crazy.

Saw the pics, even still have the copy of the magazine somewhere, I remember shoving it in with some papers and saying a prayer. :(:rose:

So, So Sad.

I wonder too about the kids. I still think they may have seen it.

[deputydi]

Excuse me but I don't think that the Jury in the OJ case were the least bit confused. They had reasonable doubt and having watched that whole trial I have to say that I did too. But then a large part of that could have been that I feel like I had knowledge that backed up what the defense team in that case said on more than one occasion.

I also disagree with your statement that the state of Florida wants to deal with a moron. That is the very last thing that they want. That is in and of itself, a case for appeal for ineffective council.

I do believe that if someone with some serious trial experience doesn't get on the defense team and soon, this whole thing is going to be a pretty much wash out as far as the trial goes. It won't matter what is decided with the upcoming trial because she will have grounds for ineffective council and an appeal on it at this rate.
Maybe I should have worded my OJ statement a little better. Although the man was (and is) guilty as sin, the jury reached the only verdict they could. I've always believed the prosecution blew it when they spent days and days on all that blood evidence. They completely lost the jury at that point and there was no going back. That is what I meant by "confusing the jury". OJ's "Dream Team" did a great job of raising reasonable doubt.

As for the State of FL not wanting to deal with a moron, that adjective is my opinion only. You are only right in that "ineffective counsel" is a case for appeal. You are dead wrong in believing it is successful in a majority of cases. It is THE most common argument for a new trial and the least successful claim. Do you have any idea how hard that claim is to prove? Remember Margaret Rudin's idiotic defense attorney? The man was seen sleeping at the defense table and her claim of ineffective counsel did her absolutely no good. It was also rumored that he came to court drunk on more than one occasion.

[Mojo]

I don't think so...they were found soundly sleeping..but the aftermath, ad the knowledge of how and everything..whew.

Ron Goldman died fighting for his life, he fought like a @#$%*, but was no match for that knife, and a much bigger person. Hard to think about, especially after seeing those pictures.:(

Hope they were both able to rest in peace.:rose:

Might I add, OJ was stalking her, and actually watched her have sex with someone through her window.....and talked about it later.

Sick SOB. Man, I wish I'd known better. I just made the mistake of going over to the OJ thread. aaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! I'm pulling my hair out. There are two posters over there who are obviously the same person. I won't even go into what they are saying. I got so mad I had to post. I'm afraid I might get banned!

[Native Alien]

Could you elaborate on your personal knowledge? I don't mean to pry but I was just curious. I will admit that I did not watch that trial or get too deep in the case, but wasn't his blood found at the scene? Also, I think I heard that Nicole and Ron's blood was found in OJ's car?

I don't mind at all. First of all I live with arthritis every day. I can tell you that it has seriously affected my ability to do certain things and one of them is my kickboxing. Secondly, I have spent a lifetime working with various types of leather and after checking with the manufacturer of the gloves, that glove did not shrink. It was too small for his hands.

I am also very well schooled as a first responder, and I can tell you that to me in my personal experience those two people were killed and left as an example.

The blood was a real problem for me for two reasons. One is that the blood at the scene was recovered until more than 24 hours later, and was degraded and he had two children that were very active that lived at the same address.

Secondly the fact that the blood that was drawn was missing blood and had been carried around for hours by a "detective" that had access to the scene and to the vehicle.

I did some digging on my own and found several murders in an 18 month period that included Nicole and Ron that were done in the same fashion. those murders go unsolved and were ruled to be very drug related.

[Native Alien]

Par for the course! http://i40.tinypic.com/255l76b.jpg What's next????!!!

I want to know just who is running the show in this case. Because it seems to me that this is getting to be the norm rather than the exception.

I am really having a hard time believing that any attorney could make as many screwups as Bozo has and still have a client to defend.

[Native Alien]

Sick SOB. Man, I wish I'd known better. I just made the mistake of going over to the OJ thread. aaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! I'm pulling my hair out. There are two posters over there who are obviously the same person. I won't even go into what they are saying. I got so mad I had to post. I'm afraid I might get banned!

I normally keep my personal opinions to myself on the OJ case, because usually my opinions are not well liked or received.

[lighthousedazy]

I don't mind at all. First of all I live with arthritis every day. I can tell you that it has seriously affected my ability to do certain things and one of them is my kickboxing. Secondly, I have spent a lifetime working with various types of leather and after checking with the manufacturer of the gloves, that glove did not shrink. It was too small for his hands.

I am also very well schooled as a first responder, and I can tell you that to me in my personal experience those two people were killed and left as an example.

The blood was a real problem for me for two reasons. One is that the blood at the scene was recovered until more than 24 hours later, and was degraded and he had two children that were very active that lived at the same address.

Secondly the fact that the blood that was drawn was missing blood and had been carried around for hours by a "detective" that had access to the scene and to the vehicle.

I did some digging on my own and found several murders in an 18 month period that included Nicole and Ron that were done in the same fashion. those murders go unsolved and were ruled to be very drug related.NA, I watched much of the trial and I have always thought OJ was guilty, but you have added a tad of reasonable doubt in my mind. jmo

[Native Alien]

Funny how things will trip a thought to rattle around in my old brain but here goes.

We know that it is said that George attacked his own father, but do we know if there was domestic abuse (physical abuse) in the house as Casey was growing up? Were her and Lee spanked as children?

I believe that there was definitely mental abuse and some emotional abuse. But was there actual hitting that happened?

[deputydi]

<snip> Secondly, I have spent a lifetime working with various types of leather and after checking with the manufacturer of the gloves, that glove did not shrink. It was too small for his hands.<snip>
This display was acting at its best. He was asked to put those leather gloves on over latex gloves which is difficult under any circumstance. Then he hammed it up for the camera.

[deputydi]

Funny how things will trip a thought to rattle around in my old brain but here goes.

We know that it is said that George attacked his own father, but do we know if there was domestic abuse (physical abuse) in the house as Casey was growing up? Were her and Lee spanked as children?

I believe that there was definitely mental abuse and some emotional abuse. But was there actual hitting that happened?
I don't know whether there was or there wasn't, but I don't believe an occasional spanking rises to the level of physical abuse. I know there are those who will disagree with this, but IMO there is a difference between a spanking and a beating. My brother and I were spanked as kids and neither one of us ever murdered anyone.

[Native Alien]

I was spanked a time or two myself and I spanked both of my daughters when they needed it. None of us has murdered anyone either.

But my point with that was the supposed fight that had Cindy choking Casey. I was just wondering if that was a normal thing in the house. The other thing that I wonder about is could there have been parent abuse committed by Casey. I wonder if she ever threatened Cindy with taking Caylee away and not ever letting Cindy see her again.

[Amy]

Maybe I should have worded my OJ statement a little better. Although the man was (and is) guilty as sin, the jury reached the only verdict they could. I've always believed the prosecution blew it when they spent days and days on all that blood evidence. They completely lost the jury at that point and there was no going back. That is what I meant by "confusing the jury". OJ's "Dream Team" did a great job of raising reasonable doubt.

As for the State of FL not wanting to deal with a moron, that adjective is my opinion only. You are only right in that "ineffective counsel" is a case for appeal. You are dead wrong in believing it is successful in a majority of cases. It is THE most common argument for a new trial and the least successful claim. Do you have any idea how hard that claim is to prove? Remember Margaret Rudin's idiotic defense attorney? The man was seen sleeping at the defense table and her claim of ineffective counsel did her absolutely no good. It was also rumored that he came to court drunk on more than one occasion.

Margaret Rudin does get a new trial.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/36463864.html

What I don't get is, even people watching videos and interviews and reading articles about Baez can see he is no more qualified to defend this trial, yet, he is allowed to steamroll on? Isn't there some ruling a judge can make BEFORE the trial that will cause a change in attorney when it is OBVIOUS he is ineffective? I hope, maybe the addition of LKB and this new guy and whichever of the other on the "team" is an attorney would counteract any claim of ineffectiveness.

[deputydi]

Margaret Rudin does get a new trial.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/36463864.html

What I don't get is, even people watching videos and interviews and reading articles about Baez can see he is no more qualified to defend this trial, yet, he is allowed to steamroll on? Isn't there some ruling a judge can make BEFORE the trial that will cause a change in attorney when it is OBVIOUS he is ineffective? I hope, maybe the addition of LKB and this new guy and whichever of the other on the "team" is an attorney would counteract any claim of ineffectiveness.
Thanks for the update. The last I heard her appeal was denied. I hate to say this, but if anyone should get a new trial based on ineffective counsel it is Ms Rudin.

I agree that a judge should be able to step in and recognize that her defense attorney is inadequate, but the reality is he can't. My original point was to applaud the prosecution for having the foresight to identify a potential conflict and eliminate an almost guaranteed reversal. I want Casey to have the fairest trial possible so there will be virtually no chance any verdict will be reversed.

[Gatordog]

Margaret Rudin does get a new trial.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/36463864.html

What I don't get is, even people watching videos and interviews and reading articles about Baez can see he is no more qualified to defend this trial, yet, he is allowed to steamroll on? Isn't there some ruling a judge can make BEFORE the trial that will cause a change in attorney when it is OBVIOUS he is ineffective? I hope, maybe the addition of LKB and this new guy and whichever of the other on the "team" is an attorney would counteract any claim of ineffectiveness.

Just supposed the judge does remove Baez from the team due to the Judge's opinion that he was unept. The Liar is found guilty. Now she really does have a true appeal.

Baez is not court appointed. I would think that most cases which win appeals due to malpractice on the defense attorneys part, would be court appointed attorneys.

[deputydi]

I'm glad you feel comfortable enough on this thread to share a non-majority opinion. It says a good thing about this group. I know how heated some of the threads on this topic can get...
I second that comment! I've been on boards where a simple post disagreeing with the majority leads to name calling and a flurry of pms condemning the poster. I haven't seen that happen here yet and I hope it never does. The posters here don't seem to take a difference of opinion as some kind of personal attack.

[Gatordog]

Margaret Rudin does get a new trial.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/36463864.html

What I don't get is, even people watching videos and interviews and reading articles about Baez can see he is no more qualified to defend this trial, yet, he is allowed to steamroll on? Isn't there some ruling a judge can make BEFORE the trial that will cause a change in attorney when it is OBVIOUS he is ineffective? I hope, maybe the addition of LKB and this new guy and whichever of the other on the "team" is an attorney would counteract any claim of ineffectiveness.

I remember this case now. I watched it on Courttv. Her attorney was a dope, but I thought she was definitely guilty. She'll be found guilty again and it will just waste some tax payer dollars.

Gator

[deputydi]

I remember this case now. I watched it on Courttv. Her attorney was a dope, but I thought she was definitely guilty. She'll be found guilty again and it will just waste some tax payer dollars.

Gator
I completely agree.

[Gatordog]

Speaking of dopes - it reminded me that on WFTV this morning it was reported that the new attorney on the Liar's team may not be able to practice in Florida. He is under investigation in California for writing bad checks from his clents' accounts. :no: When he applied to Florida to be an attorney on this case, he stated he had no past or pending disciplinary actions. Seems like there is a pending sanction. One check was for $108K when there was $1K in the account. Of course, he blamed his staff for making mistakes. This is Todd Macaluso or something like that.


One more gets added to the list of shame thanks to Miss Liar. :punch:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18922244/detail.html

Gator

[Native Alien]

I'm glad you feel comfortable enough on this thread to share a non-majority opinion. It says a good thing about this group. I know how heated some of the threads on this topic can get...

It says a very good thing about this group. It also shows how mature adults truly handle a difference of opinion. I feel that people's opinions are based on their own life experiences. What we live forms who we are and how we think.

It is a great group that can take opinions and discuss them, understanding that we are all different and we base our opinions on where we are in our lives. The other thing that I think that people here keep in mind is to be openminded and that opinions can change as facts are presented in a different light.

[deputydi]

I may be wrong, but I think a defendant is entitled to a defense of their choice. If the judge were to ban a lawyer, she could claim that she was not allowed the defense she chose. Even if there is a conflict of interest with his handling her story or whatever, they are not talking about removing him, just getting her to sign that she knows what he is doing...

No, java, you're not wrong. You and Gator are spot on. The prosecution isn't trying to get Baez removed from the case. They simply want Casey to acknowledge -- in writing -- that she is aware of any deals her attorney may have made with the media for payment of his services.

[deputydi]

It says a very good thing about this group. It also shows how mature adults truly handle a difference of opinion. I feel that people's opinions are based on their own life experiences. What we live forms who we are and how we think.

It is a great group that can take opinions and discuss them, understanding that we are all different and we base our opinions on where we are in our lives. The other thing that I think that people here keep in mind is to be openminded and that opinions can change as facts are presented in a different light.

Well said. :)

[jas72]

I don't mind at all. First of all I live with arthritis every day. I can tell you that it has seriously affected my ability to do certain things and one of them is my kickboxing. Secondly, I have spent a lifetime working with various types of leather and after checking with the manufacturer of the gloves, that glove did not shrink. It was too small for his hands.

So are you saying that your pesonal knowledge with leather is what makes you think he wasn't guilty? I've seen that video of him trying on the gloves. In the first place, he was wearing either latex or vinyl gloves, which would make trying on gloves that might normally fit be a chore to put on in the first place. In the second place, he appeared to my eyes to be exagerating how much difficulty he was having. He was a trained actor, after all.:)
But one of the more telling things to me was, as he turned away from the jury, did you notice how easily he seemed to be able to remove the glove then? I can also fake having a hard time putting on gloves I've worn for years, especially if I'm wearing latex gloves while doing so.
I will never, ever believe that he is innocent.

[One2Snoop]

Sick SOB. Man, I wish I'd known better. I just made the mistake of going over to the OJ thread. aaaarrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! I'm pulling my hair out. There are two posters over there who are obviously the same person. I won't even go into what they are saying. I got so mad I had to post. I'm afraid I might get banned!

LOL there are not two posters that are the same that I'm aware of but they do think alot alike. I stop in and read on occasion, that's about all I can handle.


Wowza! So the newest attorney for Casey is being investigated. I guess that shouldn't come as surprise considering everything that's taken place so far. LOL!

[NMurphy02]

this is just my opinion, but there is nothing wrong w/ the prosecution asking how this HUGE defense team is being paid. And if I hear one more talking head bring up "that's like asking OJ how he paid for his defense" OJ had $. There is NO comparison. This *cough* woman, was stealing $$ from everybody and now suddenly she has this huge team of lawyers? If there's nothing for Baez to hide, then he should say how he's being paid. End of story.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the update. The last I heard her appeal was denied. I hate to say this, but if anyone should get a new trial based on ineffective counsel it is Ms Rudin.

I agree that a judge should be able to step in and recognize that her defense attorney is inadequate, but the reality is he can't. My original point was to applaud the prosecution for having the foresight to identify a potential conflict and eliminate an almost guaranteed reversal. I want Casey to have the fairest trial possible so there will be virtually no chance any verdict will be reversed.

AMEN. There's also the philosophy that if some babykilling dope-smoking scumbag stripper/hooker wannabe can get a fair trial, so can we!

[deputydi]

this is just my opinion, but there is nothing wrong w/ the prosecution asking how this HUGE defense team is being paid. And if I hear one more talking head bring up "that's like asking OJ how he paid for his defense" OJ had $. There is NO comparison. This *cough* woman, was stealing $$ from everybody and now suddenly she has this huge team of lawyers? If there's nothing for Baez to hide, then he should say how he's being paid. End of story.
The only reason this is an issue is because everyone knows Casey has no money and the prosecution is worried that Baez & Co. have struck a deal of some kind with the media or a publisher to get paid for his services. If Casey acknowledges in writing that she is aware of this, there is no problem. If there is no acknowledgement by her, she can claim on appeal that her attorney put his own financial interest in this trial ahead of her Constitutional rights and she wasn't adequately represented.

Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention, but I haven't heard anyone compare Casey's financial situation with OJs.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think another aspect of it is the light hand of moderation. Being able to share personal experiences really helps with understanding different viewpoints, but I know some boards don't allow that. Treating people like children makes them act as such, imo. So thank you, Deepwater!

(it's kind of funny watching trolls come around thinking they will get the firestorm they are looking for like on other boards, and just get disdain, lol!)

Were you here when EffWater had the board set up so that posters could give negative reputation? Lawsy, you wouldn't believe some of the nasty comments that regular posters in troll's clothing would leave.

[lorettalockhorn]

this is just my opinion, but there is nothing wrong w/ the prosecution asking how this HUGE defense team is being paid. And if I hear one more talking head bring up "that's like asking OJ how he paid for his defense" OJ had $. There is NO comparison. This *cough* woman, was stealing $$ from everybody and now suddenly she has this huge team of lawyers? If there's nothing for Baez to hide, then he should say how he's being paid. End of story.

ITA. There is simply no comparison.

[One2Snoop]

Yeah! Do you remember a BoB? I used to go to two boards, and I'm pretty sure this was one of them...I remember people just nailing on the negative reps. The first time I went to give someone props this time around, I thought it was funny that positive was the only option. If you can't say anything nice...:)

FW is the one who finally did away with the negative reps - some people were downright vicious.

[One2Snoop]

Does anyone else note the irony that her newest attorney is being investigated for exactly what she is accused of doing to Amy Huizenga? Takes one to defend one?

Good point java!

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah! Do you remember a BoB? I used to go to two boards, and I'm pretty sure this was one of them...I remember people just nailing on the negative reps. The first time I went to give someone props this time around, I thought it was funny that positive was the only option. If you can't say anything nice...:)

Can't say that I ever knew about Bob, but there were enough crazies in the Nona Dirksmeyer forum to go around. I never gave anyone negative rep; why not just say it on the board? :shrug:

[Amy]

Just supposed the judge does remove Baez from the team due to the Judge's opinion that he was unept. The Liar is found guilty. Now she really does have a true appeal.

Baez is not court appointed. I would think that most cases which win appeals due to malpractice on the defense attorneys part, would be court appointed attorneys.

I guess I do remember a case (can't remember the name, but it was a geek kind of guy who killed a jock kind of guy---I THINK that was the one) where he did get a new trial cuz his original choice was deemed unqualified, but was later found that he WAS qualified. Don't remember if this had anything to do with DP qualified, or supposed conflict of interest or what. But, indeed, the appeal was won because he was denied his counsel of choice.

So, with you all 'splaining some facts for me, slowly but surely, some of these legal type things are sinking into this stubborn ol' brain.

[Justice Denied?]

Haha, Jose can sure pick 'em!

http://www.wftv.com/news/18922244/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- There's another new twist in the case against Casey Anthony. Channel 9 discovered that her newest, high-profile attorney is in some trouble with the California state bar association. Mark Todd Macaluso is accused of writing bad checks from one of his client's accounts.
Eyewitness News' legal expert said that is one of the most serious allegations an attorney can face. The new attorney was in court with Casey Anthony for her most recent hearing. *snip*

Was that the man sitting directly behind Baez who handed Cindy a blue, loose-leaf notebook right before the hearing started? It also looked like, at one point, that he handed Casey a folded note. She kept casting her eyes down without moving her head looking at whatever he handed her. I could not be sure what it was but I wondered if it could be a note from G & C.
JMO, MOO

[Mojo]

Yeah! Do you remember a BoB? I used to go to two boards, and I'm pretty sure this was one of them...I remember people just nailing on the negative reps. The first time I went to give someone props this time around, I thought it was funny that positive was the only option. If you can't say anything nice...:)

I'm a dummy when it comes to profiles. How do you do that?

[One2Snoop]

[/B]

Was that the man sitting directly behind Baez who handed Cindy a blue, loose-leaf notebook right before the hearing started? It also looked like, at one point, that he handed Casey a folded note. She kept casting her eyes down without moving her head looking at whatever he handed her. I could not be sure what it was but I wondered if it could be a note from G & C.
JMO, MOO

Yes, that was him - you can see him in this video...

http://www.wftv.com/video/18920569/index.html

[One2Snoop]

I'm a dummy when it comes to profiles. How do you do that?

To give rep use the scales in the upper right hand of the post.

[Mojo]

To give rep use the scales in the upper right hand of the post.

Thanks, O2S! :beer: Well, lookee there, you guys sent me some nice comments. Goodness, I shouldn't talk bad about Bozo. I feel like the ignorant azz! I had no idea this stuff was there. Thanks, guys!

[Amy]

Thanks, O2S! :beer: Well, lookee there, you guys sent me some nice comments. Goodness, I shouldn't talk bad about Bozo. I feel like the ignorant azz! I had no idea this stuff was there. Thanks, guys!

If there was a computer message board college where you would go for 4+ years to learn all these little things, yeah, we could call you Bozo. Since it's all just kind of on the job, word of mouth, no one can fault you. Baez, OTOH, supposedly went to law school where he should know a tad bit of lawyering 101--so, yep, we can call him a bozo.

[Gatordog]

The only reason this is an issue is because everyone knows Casey has no money and the prosecution is worried that Baez & Co. have struck a deal of some kind with the media or a publisher to get paid for his services. If Casey acknowledges in writing that she is aware of this, there is no problem. If there is no acknowledgement by her, she can claim on appeal that her attorney put his own financial interest in this trial ahead of her Constitutional rights and she wasn't adequately represented.

Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention, but I haven't heard anyone compare Casey's financial situation with OJs.

Also, the concern the prosecution has with payment is that they want to make sure that Baez isn't going to take a dive in order fulfill commitments for payment. They want to make sure she does get a fair trial and that Baez does not have a conflict of interest guiding his decisions or actions.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks, O2S! :beer: Well, lookee there, you guys sent me some nice comments. Goodness, I shouldn't talk bad about Bozo. I feel like the ignorant azz! I had no idea this stuff was there. Thanks, guys!

Don't feel badly, I didn't know how to do it either. As for Bozo, he went to law school, you didn't go to Forum School. ;)

gator

[Gatordog]

If there was a computer message board college where you would go for 4+ years to learn all these little things, yeah, we could call you Bozo. Since it's all just kind of on the job, word of mouth, no one can fault you. Baez, OTOH, supposedly went to law school where he should know a tad bit of lawyering 101--so, yep, we can call him a bozo.

And he spent ten years as a Criminologist. :eek: I wonder how many guilty people walked or innocent people found guilty due to his ignorance.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting that there were no cameras in Richard Cain's deposition today. HAHAHA The talking head attorney on NG says that his information is going to help the defense and sites that the deposition went on for four hours today. Clearly, she is not familiar with Baez's Beating a Dead Horse Style of examination.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't feel badly, I didn't know how to do it either. As for Bozo, he went to law school, you didn't go to Forum School. ;)

gator

It was months and months before I figured out what those green squares were or where they came from!

So is the uniform a toga at forum school? :hat:

[deputydi]

Also, the concern the prosecution has with payment is that they want to make sure that Baez isn't going to take a dive in order fulfill commitments for payment. They want to make sure she does get a fair trial and that Baez does not have a conflict of interest guiding his decisions or actions.

Gator
I hear ya. A full blown trial is worth much more than an ordinary, run of the mill plea.

[deputydi]

I agree and love this group for the same reasons. All that arguing on other groups does nothing for the greater good.
The OJ topic was always hot. I watched that trial from room to room in my house, when I traveled and in hospital rooms. I read all the books, and also thought he was not guilty for several reasons. The sock with the blood that went from one side to the other, as if it went through his foot, then there was Nicole's room mate who was involved with big time drugs... and more. But now I think he's guilty. Reasonable doubt was all over that courtroom. IMO

See, now be sure no one will :punch: me.

Great group!
Don't worry, I'm not going to :punch: you. I really, really wanted him to be innocent. I love football and I loved OJ -- it was almost impossible for me to believe this icon was a murderer. During most of the trial I defended him with every breath I took and my friends knew better than to bring up the subject of his "possible" guilt in my presence. Once I took a step back and tried to see the evidence objectively, I was convinced he was guilty. The jury, however, did what they were sworn to do and I don't think they could have rendered any other verdict. There was reasonable doubt all over the place. None of them had to look very hard to find it. As sad as I think the outcome was, OJs expensive Dream Team did a magnificent job.

[wind149]

I have not posted here much because it has been the same old same old song and dance but those new pictures, most of them taken right after she murdered C, laughing, letting some guy grab her breast, pissing in a parking lot, doing the nasty with the burrito and the chick, having a high old time and there in a swamp, lies her daughter, moldering in a bag. And I don't give a crap what Bozo says, that tape with her reaction to the news the body had been found, clearly, something she thought would not happen, was caught on a camera in the medical wing, not a private moment with Bozo and the jail has the right to release it, it is public knowledge. Remember Hulk tried to get those jail house conversations expunged? Didn't work did it? And he was not successful in suing Pinellas Co either.

I am dying to see that tape and I have a feeling it will be released at some point. As for George's suicide note, not relevant now, but will be introduced as evidence at the trial, it is a crucial piece at that. As for that tool Lee, and the hairs, well, investigators tore that car up but even as I write this, I could be shedding hair and not be aware of it, and possibly that is what these hairs are, from the techs, CSI's whatever. And other stains? People put stuff in their trunk all the time, like laundry soap, groceries, and stuff could leak out. So until I see and hear his whole trip, I am not feeling warm and fuzzy there. There have been rumors about his credibility for years, he apparently can be bought if the price is right is how the story goes and before I moved here, I was following a case featured on a Hartford TV affiliate and he had said that all the evidence pointed to the wife of a murdered doctor, he had been killed with a shotgun, he claimed she had motive, hubby had asked for a divorce as he had "grown tired" of her, there was gun shot residue on her hands and blouse, the blowback from the gun allegedly proved that she had been standing over him when she killed him and this woman gets a life sentence. A few years later she hires this hotshot guy from NYC and he proves that she could have never shot him the way Lee says she did, she was too short, she was not home at the time the ME said was the TOD, and she claimed that from day one, she said she was at a party in New Britain and several people backed her up on that. But he claimed that the TOD was later than the ME said, she said she came home to find him dead, she did touch the gun, and admitted she had, she was clearly distraught, no one is that good of an actor, I watched the trial coverage at night, and I was convinced she did not do it and I was right. It was a nurse the doctor was having an affair with, guess he liked his cake too, and he had broken off the affair and she could not handle it and decided to kill him and make it look like the wife did it. Now Lee was "bought off" by the doctor's family and he looked like an ass when it was finally brought to light and his response was? "Sometimes I am wrong, but not often, all the evidence pointed to her" And the guy from NYC wanted to challenge him in public over this and he refused so I am not buying Henry Lee, and who the hell is paying him? This boy don't do pro bono, not even for celebs!! And he is one who LOVES the CAMERA!!! Now if they had Michael Baden, I would be sitting up straight, that man is never wrong, but if ya notice he is not on board? All the evidence points to CA, and in court, Bozo must have told her to look like upwardly mobile college girl, but those treats are packing some heft on her huh? I can guess this trial is gonna rival Pam Smart and OJ, and I wonder how long it will last, come on Oct 12th!

[Native Alien]

OS, what is EDTA?

Yes calmer minds. Lee didn't help the state either, remember? He's a putanna and so was every member of the dream team. I could go on and on too... but I'll be good and go back to bed. It's 3:22am.

Anyway, OJ knows Karma's a B!tch!

:seeya:

EDTA is the preservative that is used to in the tubes that they draw blood in. IT is commonly seen as that yellow stuff at the bottom of the tube when they draw blood.

[Amy]

Interesting that there were no cameras in Richard Cain's deposition today. HAHAHA The talking head attorney on NG says that his information is going to help the defense and sites that the deposition went on for four hours today. Clearly, she is not familiar with Baez's Beating a Dead Horse Style of examination.

I don't think I have heard Richard Cain before. Is this the civil suit from ZFG? Why would there be no cameras for HIS depostion if there were for Lee's? I am assuming that there would be a court camera, as it seems to me they were saying all depositions are filmed? TIA

[Amy]

Nope, this is the murder trial. Cain is the Kowardly Kop who was rude to Kronk and never found Caylee's body when he met him.http://www.wesh.com/news/18923015/detail.html

Guess that's why I didn't recognize the name, lol. I mostly see him referred to as Kowardly Kop. Guess I need to pay more attention to actual names in articles....

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think I have heard Richard Cain before. Is this the civil suit from ZFG? Why would there be no cameras for HIS depostion if there were for Lee's? I am assuming that there would be a court camera, as it seems to me they were saying all depositions are filmed? TIA

I see Java link you up to the article (Thanks Java!). I have to wonder if the deposition wasn't taped because this guy is LE? Guess we'll have to wait and see if the myriad other deputies and CSIs are videotaped. Or maybe Baez is just making some sort of statement/protest about the use of video. tehee

[Gatordog]

I see Java link you up to the article (Thanks Java!). I have to wonder if the deposition wasn't taped because this guy is LE? Guess we'll have to wait and see if the myriad other deputies and CSIs are videotaped. Or maybe Baez is just making some sort of statement/protest about the use of video. tehee

This deposition was not part of the ZFG defamation trial. This deposition was performed by Baez as part of the murder trial. It was probably filmed, but he is not releasing it to the media. When I saw a clip of Baez which was shown on the news, he was walking into a building and a guy carrying a tripod was following him. The deposition lasted four hours. He will probably depose Kronk next.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

This deposition was not part of the ZFG defamation trial. This deposition was performed by Baez as part of the murder trial. It was probably filmed, but he is not releasing it to the media. When I saw a clip of Baez which was shown on the news, he was walking into a building and a guy carrying a tripod was following him. The deposition lasted four hours. He will probably depose Kronk next.

Gator

??

Yes. I'm familiar with who Officer Wimp is and am aware that he was not deposed in the ZFG case. (I don't think Baez has been in on any of the ZFG case except to advise Casey not to answer questions other than her name, has he?) I'm also aware that the deposition lasted four hours and that it was reported that it wasn't videotaped/recorded.

[Gatordog]

??

Yes. I'm familiar with who Officer Wimp is and am aware that he was not deposed in the ZFG case. (I don't think Baez has been in on any of the ZFG case except to advise Casey not to answer questions other than her name, has he?) I'm also aware that the deposition lasted four hours and that it was reported that it wasn't videotaped/recorded.

I should have replied to the note that you replied to. Have a hagnog on me. :beer:

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I should have replied to the note that you replied to. Have a hagnog on me. :beer:

Gator

We should both have a double while we curse this lazy arse cop who could have done his job and given Caylee a stronger voice. Guess I should be drinking Haterade when it comes to him!

[Gatordog]

We should both have a double while we curse this lazy arse cop who could have done his job and given Caylee a stronger voice. Guess I should be drinking Haterade when it comes to him!

Amen. If that cop would have gone six feet further to actally check out the bag, we might have had fingerprints and other evidence. We could all use a haterade. I'm going to uncork a bottle right now.

Gator

[Native Alien]

There is one thing that I don't understand, and gator if you have an answer please help me out with this one.

I know that the cop saw water and nearly stepped on a rattler. But why did he not call in a search team? I know that for us, and granted this was years ago, if something like this happened, we called in a search team and we were allowed to kill rattlesnakes.

I haven't read the transcripts of the interview with the cop, finals week and all, but I will get around to it.

[Amy]

This deposition was not part of the ZFG defamation trial. This deposition was performed by Baez as part of the murder trial. It was probably filmed, but he is not releasing it to the media. When I saw a clip of Baez which was shown on the news, he was walking into a building and a guy carrying a tripod was following him. The deposition lasted four hours. He will probably depose Kronk next.

Gator

Probably something that could have been accomplished in an hour or so. Wonder how many times he was asked the same question over and over and over? Well, that wouldn't exactly be unique to Baez. That seems to be a technique used by most lawyers. I was on jury on a trial, and just like many aired on CTV and such---I did not know there were so many ways to ask the same question. I wanted to stand up and holler "HE'S ALREADY ANSWERED THAT 6 WAYS FROM SUNDAY, CAN WE GET TO THE NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE!!!!" Or, it was the same question the other side had already asked a dozen ways. I really, really did NOT enjoy jury duty!!!

And, some time ago, folks (not just on message boards, but on shows, etc) were asking what Kronk needed a lawyer for. I think he needed a lawyer just for the publicity thing, but we now see what he REALLY needed a lawyer for. I don't know that I would attend a depostion without a lawyer, but most definitely, with Baez, I would make darn sure I had one sitting @ my side. I'm not @ all sure he really would know how to conduct a deposition, considering all the gaffes he has made in other areas. Oh, maybe depositioning is his forte that the college hired him for!!!!

[Native Alien]

See, this is why I have such antipathy toward the cop. From what Kronk said and some other info, the officer just made a half-hearted attempt, got scared by a snake, then to prove his "manhood" chewed out Kronk for "wasting" his time. Then he dicked around for 45 minutes and reported it as "garbage". Kronk said he was so humiliated he didn't do anything more about it until December because he was afraid he was making a fool of himself. Two other complaints were filed on the cop for the same behavior, and that's why he is now working in a warehouse or something.

I'm not sure the transcripts are out yet? I'm sure he will be uber-defensive...

I am not sure that there are transcripts yet Jave. I just wanted everyone to know that I hadn't read them if there are. I can't imagine a cop with a gun being afraid of a snake of any kind. It isn't like they aren't allowed to shoot them.

[Gatordog]

There is one thing that I don't understand, and gator if you have an answer please help me out with this one.

I know that the cop saw water and nearly stepped on a rattler. But why did he not call in a search team? I know that for us, and granted this was years ago, if something like this happened, we called in a search team and we were allowed to kill rattlesnakes.

I haven't read the transcripts of the interview with the cop, finals week and all, but I will get around to it.

All I can say is that the officer cleared it so he did not see any reason for others to search. I would think that he had a preconceived belief before he arrived at the site that the body was not there so he really did not in tend to do a thorough search.

Gator

[Native Alien]

Ummmm, guys...?

I was on youtube looking to see Perper yell at Geraldo, and found this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

Dr, Baden says they found CHLOROFORM IN CAYLEE'S HAIR!

Do you think that was some pillow-talk being slipped????? Did they find chloroform? I wanna see toxicology!

I have listened to this several times now and I can't make out exactly what he says. It almost sounds to me like Baden said, "Damn chloroform and the baby's hair".

Maybe someone should email Geraldo and ask him exactly what did Doc say. Geraldo was so intensely focused on Anna Nicole that he might have missed it altogether.

[Native Alien]

All I can say is that the officer cleared it so he did not see any reason for others to search. I would think that he had a preconceived belief before he arrived at the site that the body was not there so he really did not in tend to do a thorough search.

Gator

Thank you for the response.

[Native Alien]

If we heard what we think that we heard from the Doc last night, I have visions of Liar singing this one in her cell for years to come.

Oh Mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law
Law man has put an end to my running and I'm so far from my home
The jig is up, the news is out
They finally found me
The renegade who had it made
Retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
This'll be the end today
Of the wanted man

Oh Mama, I've been years on the lam and had a high price on my head
Lawman said 'Get him dead or alive' and it's for sure he'll see me dead
Dear Mama I can hear you cryin', you're so scared and all alone
Hangman is comin' down from the gallows and I don't have very long

The jig is up, the news is out
They finally found me
The renegade who had it made
Retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
The judge'll have revenge today
On the wanted man

Oh Mama, I'm in fear for my life from the long arm of the law
Law man has put an end to my running and I'm so far from my home

The jig is up, the news is out
They finally found me
The renegade who had it made
Retrieved for a bounty
Never more to go astray
This'll be the end today
Of the wanted man

[lorettalockhorn]

All I can say is that the officer cleared it so he did not see any reason for others to search. I would think that he had a preconceived belief before he arrived at the site that the body was not there so he really did not in tend to do a thorough search.

Gator

Good thinking and could very well be true!

[lorettalockhorn]

Ummmm, guys...?

I was on youtube looking to see Perper yell at Geraldo, and found this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

Dr, Baden says they found CHLOROFORM IN CAYLEE'S HAIR!

Do you think that was some pillow-talk being slipped????? Did they find chloroform? I wanna see toxicology!

Oops! That statement by Baden came out of the blue didn't it?! Didn't watch Geraldo until 3am, but didn't want to miss Dr. Perper yelling at Geraldo! :hat: Anyway, wasn't sure what I was hearing, but I'm betting we'll hear all about it, and soon.

[lorettalockhorn]

I tried to find a transcript but its not up yet. Here's what I hear through headphones...(Dr. Baden)

"...yeah, I, I think...where they found chloroform in the baby's hair..."

I think he either blew it or this is some ploy to get the pros to release the toxicology or something...

That's what I heard.

[One2Snoop]

Hey guys, looking for this, I found THIS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fZsd--Y2Hk

Baden says that chloroform was found in Caylee's hair!!!!

This is what I thought he said, "I think they found chloroform in the baby's hair". blah, blah, It's important to (help?) evaluate a history of drug taking"

[Gatordog]

I have listened to this several times now and I can't make out exactly what he says. It almost sounds to me like Baden said, "Damn chloroform and the baby's hair".

Maybe someone should email Geraldo and ask him exactly what did Doc say. Geraldo was so intensely focused on Anna Nicole that he might have missed it altogether.

Sounds to me that he said "where they found chloroform in the Baby's hair.

GATOR

[One2Snoop]

Demings Wants Lid On Leaks In Casey Anthony Case
Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:25:14 AM

ORLANDO -- Orange County sheriff Jerry Demings is telling his personnel to stop leaking information on the Casey Anthony case to the media.

Demings told the Orlando Sentinel, "We’re not going to lose cases because of loose lips."

He said anyone caught leaking information in an active criminal investigation will be treated "seriously."

The edict comes after months of intense publicity in the murder investigation of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony.

Anthony's lawyer, Jose Baez, has complained the leaks are unfair, and prejudicial to his defense.

Demings didn't identify specific leaks in the investigation, but said he's never seen a similar flow of active criminal information reported publicly during his 21-year career at the Orlando Police Department.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/3/14/demings_wants_lid_on_leaks_in_casey_case.html

[One2Snoop]

I definitely heard a "where" there...just as an aside, have I mentioned Geraldo is a jerk? Why would Perper need to prove a known drug addict took drugs? She was, hello, a known addict. It would be like proving a stripper who fell off her stage wore high heels in the past...irrelevant. okay, back on topic, I'm sorry!

OK, listened to it again and this is what "I think" he said LOL...

".......I think, where they found chloroform in the baby's hair"

ITA with you on the rest. :beer:

[Amy]

This article is about the Sunshine Law. But just a bit down, there are some videos. One is Baez speaking about Kronk. Then there is one where LKB is taking in court. When that one went off, anothe popped up where Baez is asked about motions for bench notes. He turns it over to LKB. My, my, my, she does get testy with a reporter. She also says "the judge"--I am assuming @ this point she is referring to Judge Strickland--needs to be educated!!! Ooopsy, daisy, m'lady. I'd be just a bit careful about saying such things about the judge who will be overseeing the murder trial of my client!!!!

Anyway, she is mostly talking about bench notes, and does later say many judges and lawyers DON'T know about bench notes, and need to be educated. The lawyers don't KNOW they can ask for bench notes. I don't know, seems that Judge Strickland has been around for a while, seems to keep up with laws and such, but, I guess if she wants to educate him, power to her. She talks about "all across the country" where she has had cases--well, one thing I have learned since coming to crime message boards is--there is no "all across the country" in many aspects as each state kind of sets their own laws and standards and rules about many things.

Anyway, it was a bit of a hoot to see her get a bit testy, and then "lecture" the media for a bit.

[Native Alien]

Geraldo talked about how the cop changed his story when he was talked to by investigators. He is definitely pro defense.

[tv]

OK, listened to it again and this is what "I think" he said LOL...

".......I think, where they found chloroform in the baby's hair"

ITA with you on the rest. :beer:

O2S, I listened to it several times and I'm pretty sure that's what he said.

[Amy]

O2S, I listened to it several times and I'm pretty sure that's what he said.

I was reading on another message board, and this is what they are saying, too.

[tv]

I was reading on another message board, and this is what they are saying, too.

So, is Dr. Baden letting inside information from LKB out by accident or is he just wrong?

[Amy]

So, is Dr. Baden letting inside information from LKB out by accident or is he just wrong?

They couldn't decide, either. I don't know who else he could get inside information from, but you would think that, both of them being professionals, that they would not discuss the case. Maybe he's just assuming, and making the statement. He has a 50-50 chance of his statement being true.

[tv]

They couldn't decide, either. I don't know who else he could get inside information from, but you would think that, both of them being professionals, that they would not discuss the case. Maybe he's just assuming, and making the statement. He has a 50-50 chance of his statement being true.
Good point. Sometimes Dr. Baden seems a little flustered to me, for lack of a better word, so maybe he just mispoke or assumed like you said.

[tv]

Maybe he DID miss-speak and maybe he would be ill advised to reveal stuff that needs to be kept in the vault until trail time.

Isn't it true that exposing certain information before trial can get her to walk? (I don't know enough about laws, and how exposing information to the public before a trial can mismanage convictions, but I know it happens.)

I think I've heard of that happening but I'm not sure of the circumstances -- just in case, Dr. Baden needs to zip it! As much as I'd love to know all the details I don't want anything to stop justice in this case.

[Gatordog]

They couldn't decide, either. I don't know who else he could get inside information from, but you would think that, both of them being professionals, that they would not discuss the case. Maybe he's just assuming, and making the statement. He has a 50-50 chance of his statement being true.

They are both professionals so that's why I think they would discuss the case. If you were married to one of the top pathologists in the country and you had the autopsy report, wouldn't you give it to him to read to get his opinion on the validity of the report? I would. I would want to know if something was omitted or if more tests should be run or re-performed.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Maybe he DID miss-speak and maybe he would be ill advised to reveal stuff that needs to be kept in the vault until trail time.

Isn't it true that exposing certain information before trial can get her to walk? (I don't know enough about laws, and how exposing information to the public before a trial can mismanage convictions, but I know it happens.)

They sure can't blame LE for this leak! This came from the Defense's side so I can't see any reason why a judge would dismiss with prejudice. Just one more reason why Baez should not get a change of venue. Where the heck are they going to go? Iraq. Yea, let's send the Liar to Abu Grabe prison why she awaits her trial. Maybe Afghanistan. With the butt she's getting, she might prefer to wear a burqua. :D

Gator

[Gatordog]

I heard that there is going to be another hearing this Wednesday. They didn't say the reason for the hearing.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

They sure can't blame LE for this leak! This came from the Defense's side so I can't see any reason why a judge would dismiss with prejudice. Just one more reason why Baez should not get a change of venue. Where the heck are they going to go? Iraq. Yea, let's send the Liar to Abu Grabe prison why she awaits her trial. Maybe Afghanistan. With the butt she's getting, she might prefer to wear a burqua. :D

Gator

Interesting that Baden leaked the chloroform found in the hair on Geraldo (unless no armchair detectives have been able to find it in what has been released to the defense), and last night Faux News is crying foul over the lameass cop's two statements. Deflection.

BUT you do have to wonder why the deputy's statements changed in that six hour period. Kimberly Guilfoyle(sp?) was immediately making comparisons to LE's scheme in the OJS case.

It's always something with this case.

[One2Snoop]

Deputy Deposition In Caylee Case Continues
Deposition May Not Be Completed Until End Of Month

POSTED: 11:53 am EDT March 16, 2009
UPDATED: 1:29 pm EDT March 16, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A source with Casey Anthony's defense team said it will be two weeks before a key deposition is completed in the case.

Timeline | More Inside

The source said the deposition is continuing with a deputy who may have missed a chance to find Caylee Anthony's remains in August.

Caylee was last seen in June, and her remains were found close to the family's home in December. The toddler's mother, Casey Anthony, was jailed on homicide charges and is awaiting trial.

Jose Baez and two other defense attorneys spent more than three hours questioning Deputy Richard Cain.

Because of scheduling conflicts, the source said it will likely take until the end of the month before questioning of Cain is completed.

Cain was reassigned to the Orange County Sheriff's Office evidence section, and an internal investigation is being completed to determine why the remains weren't located earlier.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18940557/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Jail Worker Who Witnessed Anthony During Bone Discovery ID'd
Casey Anthony Remains Jailed In Daughter's Death

POSTED: Monday, March 16, 2009
UPDATED: 2:38 pm EDT March 16, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Local 6 News has learned the identity of the jail employee who escorted Casey Anthony from her cell to a medical common area and witnessed her hyperventilating the day human remains later identified as Caylee Anthony were discovered near the Anthony family home.

Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter, whose remains were found in December.

In a recent court motion filed by Anthony's lead attorney, Jose Beaz, he cites the name Lt. Tammy Uncer, who he claims discussed Anthony's medical details with prosecutors.

Local 6 News has confirmed that Uncer was the corrections employee who escorted Anthony from her cell and observed her reaction to the news, which she watched on TV in the common area. Anthony also asked for a sedative to calm her down, Local 6 News has learned.

Anthony's reaction was captured on jail surveillance cameras, and Baez is trying to keep thee recordings from becoming public through the discovery process.

He's also trying to keep a videotaped statement that Uncer gave to prosecutors from becoming public. Baez alleges that Uncer discusses his client's medical history, including what she observed that day.

Prominent local defense attorney Mark NeJame, who once represented Anthony's parents, said Uncer's statement to prosecutors could be a violation of Anthony's rights. NeJame also said Baez's argument could go either way, specifically in reference to what Uncer may have told prosecutors about Anthony's reaction to the breaking news.

"Can the state question a corrections officer about their observations? Yes. However, if the corrections officer was acting as an arm of law enforcement or the state attorney's office and it was done secretly, there's some real trouble with that," NeJame said.

The state maintains that there has never been any conspiracy or misconduct.

It's not known when a hearing will be held on the issue.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18941559/detail.html#-

[Amy]

Just 5 minutes on Caylee.

Harping about why Lee just didn't say who the dad was, if he died in a car accident? Responder says, well, Lee was saying, as his lawyer cut him off, that he didn't know for 100% who baby daddy is. And I, for one, think it is in the best interest to NOT "accuse" someone if he's not sure. If he has it wrong, the poor fellow would be in the same boat as ZFG--only the civil suit would be against Lee. IMO.

They talk like the lady jailer who was w/Casey when she found out about a body being found would be deposed. I wonder, for what? NeJames says it is possible this officer and the jail CAN be in trouble--not for the tape, but for the jailer talking to prosecution more than she should have. Besides, unless the prosecution has someone to testify about her reaction, non-reaction to the other reports of bodies found, her testimony wouldn't amount to a hill of beans. Cuz, the defense can always say, anyone would react the way she did if a body that could possibly be her baby's was found.

[JLette]

i dont think that casey's reaction to the discovery of remains would make a difference anyway considering the whole world knows now she is a actress down to her very core, everything about her is lies and lies and lies so IMO her reaction, whether good or bad, is meaningless. she could have just been putting on a nifty show for those cameras that she KNOWS DAMN WELL are there, hahaha, anyone in jail at any time knows that there are cameras everywhere, so her saying she didnt know she was being recorded is also.......surprise surprise..........more LIES

[One2Snoop]

O/T...

Possibly sighting of Trenton Duckett. Is it him? - check this out!

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showpost.php?p=9174097&postcount=8

[Its just me]

O/T...

Possibly sighting of Trenton Duckett. Is it him? - check this out!

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showpost.php?p=9174097&postcount=8


I don't think so but I pray I'm wrong and it is Trenton.

I "love" to read here. The sense of humor brings many smiles and sometimes a ROFLMAO. The greatest place to keep up with this case. fep

[Gatordog]

O/T...

Possibly sighting of Trenton Duckett. Is it him? - check this out!

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showpost.php?p=9174097&postcount=8

The boy in the picture looks amazingly like Trenton but I don't think the age is correct. The ears match almost perfectly. I doubted the mother's story immediately because it rained very heavily at that time. I found it hard to believe that any windows would have been left open. The air would have been on.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

I thought this was interesting....

Casey Anthony’s Death Penalty Lawyer Terry Lenamon Has New Blog
March 11, 2009 by: Express

When I was on Nancy Grace last week, talking about the Casey Anthony case….

First of all, let me just take this opportunity to say that I’m always honored to be invited to appear on the Nancy Grace show. Nancy Grace is a true star of the airwaves today, and a heroine to many. It’s very humbling to be appearing before millions in one of those little rectangular talking-head cameo boxes on screen, along with Sue Moss and the rest of the lawyers. I was proud to have been invited once and I’m always thrilled to be asked back again.

And, no – Nancy and I don’t agree on many things. Respecting your colleagues doesn’t mean you necessarily see eye to eye with them. This is especially true among attorneys, and exceedingly true among the criminal bar. Prosecutors and defense attorneys may fight viciously in the courtroom, but we’ll shake hands in the hallway. You know a good lawyer when you see one, even if they’re on the other side.

Now, back to the Casey Anthony case ….

Last week, I was on the Nancy Grace show for a couple of nights, because Nancy was talking about the death penalty as it applies in the Casey Anthony matter. Specifically, the fact that the prosecution had taken the death penalty off the table in the Casey Anthony case and Nancy Grace’s arguments that the “tot mom” should have a jury decide whether or not the death penalty should apply to her.



Now, before this goes any further let me reiterate:

I will not discuss the Casey Anthony case, itself, in any detail or particular. As the attorney who represented Casey Anthony in the death penalty discussions with the Florida state attorney’s office, I cannot do that – it violates my work product privilege, attorney-client privilege … well, you get the idea.

That doesn’t mean that I can’t discuss generalities, and the law regarding the death penalty today. And with that caveat, there are lots of lessons popping up in the Casey Anthony matter.

The Casey Anthony case – it’s revealing many things. Here’s one.

One lesson that I’m learning from all this media coverage of the Casey Anthony case is this: the need to know WHY — why did a beautiful baby, Caylee Anthony, die? Why … why…why? A hundred questions come to mind.

Well, in all this questioning and need to understand, there’s a great many people that are looking at judgment. And that’s good. Our society, as with all successful societies, must have rules and judgments that are assessed against those who break those rules. Without this basic structure, we’d live in chaos.

But along with judgment, there must come mercy. At least, in America, we believe in the consideration of mercy before the imposition of judgment.

That is why we have things like probation and parole and personal recognizance. Mercy.



Mercy is my job

That’s my focus, it’s the raison d’être of my practice. Death penalty considerations come in the sentencing phase of a defendant’s case. Whether or not to impose the death penalty is a decision made only after the defendant has been found guilty of the specific charges that bring with them the possibility of capital punishment.

Judgment and Mercy

In the Casey Anthony case, there’s a tremendous amount of airtime and forum group time (think Websleuths) with energies being placed upon judgment.

I’m not seeing much on mercy. Are there considerations that may explain and mitigate this woman IF (and that’s right: IF) she did the crime of which she has been accused?

Journalists are taught that to get the whole story, you must ask “who, what, where, when, why, and how.”

In the Casey Anthony case, I’m not hearing many people asking that question WHY.

And, to me, that’s the most important question. Why. Why did this death happen? Because that’s the real answer we all want to know, I think, in any crime. And, because that’s where mercy is found.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/03/11/casey-anthonys-death-penalty-lawyer-terry-lenamon-has-new-blog/

[Amy]

So, now I am really confused. Why all the talk of DP off the table, on the table, etc etc etc, if:

Death penalty considerations come in the sentencing phase of a defendant’s case. Whether or not to impose the death penalty is a decision made only after the defendant has been found guilty of the specific charges that bring with them the possibility of capital punishment.

He must not have been listening to the NG show when he wasn't on, or to the GVS show, or LKL. He must not have read any message boards other than WB (did any of THEM ask why?) because WHY, WHY, WHY HAS been a question asked over and over and over. And, plenty of "theories" as we try to understand the question we ask---WHY.

[DrewBerry]

Not so off topic...few people seem more alike to me than Casey and Melinda.

I so agree with you Java! I was thinking the same thing! The similarities are remarkable, huh?

[JLette]

Well it's interesting to hear his point of view. However, my point of view is, I simply do not care "why". Oh, the curious part of me is interested in knowing this, but this is not "where mercy will be found". Caylee Marie Anthony is dead. She was a completely helpless, harmless and dependent child. The person who killed her should die. I would expect to be judged by the same standard, not that I will ever need to be. The "most important question" is not "why", but "who".

YES YES YES i totally agree with you. if someone kills their child that they are supposed to protect and care for then they deserve to die no matter what the circumstances or reason behind it.

[Amy]

But we have asked WHY--why would a mom kill her child? Under what circumstances would a mother think that killing her child is "okay." Not that many (because I have seen some) have said, well, when we know why, we might feel sorry for her, and understand how killing Caylee was the only solution. No, most say, no matter WHY, Casey should get DP or LWOP @ the least. But, most of us HAVE tried to figure out WHY @ some point.

[JLette]

i do agree that knowing why she did it would be nice, i mean, why does any parent do something like this? but i dont think the why should change the punishment at all because the fact still remains that caylee is dead and is never coming back, there are people that will miss her forever because of one persons selfish act, so really while it DOES matter why she did it, it doesn't mean we should go easy on her at all.

[deacon]

Well it's interesting to hear his point of view. However, my point of view is, I simply do not care "why". Oh, the curious part of me is interested in knowing this, but this is not "where mercy will be found". Caylee Marie Anthony is dead. She was a completely helpless, harmless and dependent child. The person who killed her should die. I would expect to be judged by the same standard, not that I will ever need to be. The "most important question" is not "why", but "who".

Why is but a postscript. A footnote. Who is all that has to be proven.

Would that person be as "forgiving" if a father killed his little girl? I really doubt it.

[Gatordog]

But we have asked WHY--why would a mom kill her child? Under what circumstances would a mother think that killing her child is "okay." Not that many (because I have seen some) have said, well, when we know why, we might feel sorry for her, and understand how killing Caylee was the only solution. No, most say, no matter WHY, Casey should get DP or LWOP @ the least. But, most of us HAVE tried to figure out WHY @ some point.

In my opinion, the why is because their hatred of someone else was stronger than the love for their child. In both cases, the mothers did not want the burden of the child any longer but the thought of either the ex-husband or the grandmother getting the child was worse than killing the child. The better option was to kill the child they gave birth to rather than make their "enemy" happy. It had nothing to do with the child and everything to do with hatred of someone else and not wanting that person to "win".

Gator

[JLette]

In my opinion, the why is because their hatred of someone else was stronger than the love for their child. In both cases, the mothers did not want the burden of the child any longer but the thought of either the ex-husband or the grandmother getting the child was worse than killing the child. The better option was to kill the child they gave birth to rather than make their "enemy" happy. It had nothing to do with the child and everything to do with hatred of someone else and not wanting that person to "win".

Gator


exactly, and as we all know in this case she had a HUGE rivalry with her mother over that little girl, if this wasn't at least partly accidental then she did it for the sole purpose of hurting her mother

[lorettalockhorn]

Lenamon's why question/lecture would best be delivered to the Ants, especially George and Cindy. They know the answer and they are culpable to a degree. Casey already has the constitutional right to justice and the presumption of innocence. What about mercy and justice for Caylee? The sycophANThonys have done and are doing their dead level best to see to it that Caylee never has those benefits.

[JLette]

loretta you are completely 100% right about that, they seem to have forgotten that this little soul was ripped away and deserves to see justice done.......i understand casey is their daughter but i know if i was ever in this situation (never happen but for the sake of making a point) my mother would not only throw me under the bus publicly but i would most likely never see or hear from my family again, and they certainly wouldnt sit on my side of the courtroom!!!

[Mojo]

Thanks for this snoop. It all sounds good. But, if a mother kills her precious child, who cares why? There is no "WHY." Let her pay for the deed, other wise there would be no society. There will be dead children and lots of mercy. Mercy doesn't bring back dead kids. It would be misplaced here. My mercy is to the innocent little vulnerable child Caylee who did not harm anyone in her life.

That guy should sell cars.


Amen, Nawny!

[One2Snoop]

State Releases Subpoena List In Anthony Case
List Includes Anthony Family, Nursing Home Employees

POSTED: 11:48 am EDT March 17, 2009
UPDATED: 2:03 pm EDT March 17, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The state of Florida has filed a list of people they've subpoenaed in the case against Casey Anthony.

Some interesting names on the list include members of the Anthony family and their relatives.

The list of those subpoenaed by the state includes Cindy, George and Lee Anthony and Cindy Anthony's mother.

Lee Anthony's girlfriend and employees of a Mount Dora nursing home where the last known videotape of Caylee was taken June 15 are also on the list.

Caylee Anthony's remains were found on Dec. 11 in a wooded area off of Suburban Drive near the Anthony home in East Orange County.

Mother Casey Anthony is in the Orange County Jail charged with murder in Caylee's death.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18949432/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

Small World was my Dad's fav. We are having the same weather-rain,rain and more rain-complete with thunder and a light show. This a.m. cold and windy-this aft. no wind and warmer. And i wonder why i am stuffy,runny eyes etc. etc. Lets all go to San Diego-great climate-maybe Java lives near there? LOL

I am so ready. Let me know the dates............sara

[SaraSidle]

O/T...

Possibly sighting of Trenton Duckett. Is it him? - check this out!

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showpost.php?p=9174097&postcount=8

One2Snoop those pix look a lot alike I am no expert but that is spooky....IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Mike Galanos (Prime News/HLN) is discussing Dr. Michael Baden's slip of the tongue on Geraldo the other night.

One reporter verifies that this was the first we'd heard of the chloroform, it's noted that he's married to LKB and Galanos wonders if she told MB about the chloroform.

Dr. Dupree(?) says that if there was a significant amount of chloroform in the car, the hair could have absorbed it through osmosis. She says chloroform used as a knockout drug is not likely to show up in the hair. A fatal dose of chloroform only if the hair absorbed it.

The FL prosecutor says that Baden may have simply misspoken.

[Amy]

loretta you are completely 100% right about that, they seem to have forgotten that this little soul was ripped away and deserves to see justice done.......i understand casey is their daughter but i know if i was ever in this situation (never happen but for the sake of making a point) my mother would not only throw me under the bus publicly but i would most likely never see or hear from my family again, and they certainly wouldnt sit on my side of the courtroom!!!

I was watching the current trial on InSessions. It is about a girl (she was then, 18) who killed her mother. There was a side video about children killing their parents. One girl killed her mother and set the house on fire-from what I gather it was because the mom was opposed to the girl's choice of suitors. Anyway, she was found guilty, and her dad is on the courthouse steps talking to the press. He said, she is my daughter and I love her--and that made it hard for me to see that she could do this. He said, she did kill her mother. Poor fellow. You could tell his heart was breaking, but @ least he was facing the truth and not railing @ prosecutors, jurors, judge, the system.

[JLette]

I was watching the current trial on InSessions. It is about a girl (she was then, 18) who killed her mother. There was a side video about children killing their parents. One girl killed her mother and set the house on fire-from what I gather it was because the mom was opposed to the girl's choice of suitors. Anyway, she was found guilty, and her dad is on the courthouse steps talking to the press. He said, she is my daughter and I love her--and that made it hard for me to see that she could do this. He said, she did kill her mother. Poor fellow. You could tell his heart was breaking, but @ least he was facing the truth and not railing @ prosecutors, jurors, judge, the system.

wow that would be so hard, i guess it all depends on the family. honestly i dont believe that george is supporting casey anymore, i think its all cyndi now because in george's interview with police he stated very clearly that if he lost his granddaughter then he also lost his daughter, when i read that it stuck with me, i am pretty sure cyndi is wearing the pants in that family tho

[lorettalockhorn]

I was watching the current trial on InSessions. It is about a girl (she was then, 18) who killed her mother. There was a side video about children killing their parents. One girl killed her mother and set the house on fire-from what I gather it was because the mom was opposed to the girl's choice of suitors. Anyway, she was found guilty, and her dad is on the courthouse steps talking to the press. He said, she is my daughter and I love her--and that made it hard for me to see that she could do this. He said, she did kill her mother. Poor fellow. You could tell his heart was breaking, but @ least he was facing the truth and not railing @ prosecutors, jurors, judge, the system.

This is an example of a strong man. I don't believe the unjailed sycophANTs have that much courage all together.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lawsy Prime News and JVM are hot on the breaking news that Lee wasn't Caylee's father. :confused: Um didn't we learn that two weeks ago?

[One2Snoop]

Okay, so Baden is saying he "mis-spoke" now to NG. Ri-i--i-i-i-ight...

And going back to Lee's paternity test...this was from the BIG DOC DUMP! Fire your researchers, girls! We talked about this the day it came out!

And does anyone else find it funny that Lee's dna sample was number...K9?


LOL ~ Too funny!
http://i44.tinypic.com/2cmk9q9.jpg

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's parents to be deposed in April in civil case

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:24 PM EDT, March 17, 2009


George Anthony and Cindy Anthony will be questioned under oath in the defamation case against their daughter Casey Anthony next month, their lawyer said.

The lawyers representing Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, who is suing Casey Anthony, want to depose her parents in the case.

In February, Orange Circuit Court Judge Jose R. Rodriguez postponed the depositions until media outlets could submit documents about why they should be allowed to attend the interviews.

The Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, earlier argued that he doesn't want reporters and cameras allowed in the depositions.

A hearing was scheduled for Wednesday to address the issues before Rodriguez.

But Conway said this afternoon that he has worked things out with Fernandez-Gonzalez' attorney. So there is no need for a hearing Wednesday.

"We'll show up for depositions in April," Conway said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-anthony-zenaida-031709,0,7073525.story

[One2Snoop]

Court Hearing On Anthonys' Depositions Canceled
Casey Anthony Charged With Murder In Daughter's Death

POSTED: Tuesday, March 17, 2009
UPDATED: 4:51 pm EDT March 17, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court hearing pertaining to the depositions of George and Cindy Anthony in connection with a deposition lawsuit filed against their daughter has been canceled.

The Anthonys' daughter, Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter, Caylee, whose remains were discovered in December. Casey Anthony said she left Caylee with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez in mid-June, but the two were gone when she returned to pick up her daughter.

A woman named Zenaida Gonzalez filed a civil lawsuit against Casey Anthony, saying she lost her job and her reputation was damaged because she was linked to the case. She's seeking $15,000 for pain and suffering.

Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, said he and Brad Conway, the attorney representing George and Cindy Anthony, worked out a deal for Casey Anthony's parents to be deposed April 9 -- without the media present.

Lee Anthony, Casey Anthony's brother, was recently deposed in the case and refused to answer two questions which sought Lee Anthony's opinion on whether he thought his sister had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance and who the father of Caylee is.

A judge is being asked to rule on whether Lee Anthony must answer the questions.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18951551/detail.html#-

[Gatordog]

That's why George is the one I feel sorry for...I'm pretty sure he's clear on the situation, but if he is open about it, he loses what's left of his family. He's in the worst situation of the Anthony's who are left alive.

This family is not worth saving. George should leave and try to save what's left of his life. Sometimes, no matter how much you love someone, if you know in your heart that he/she is going to take you down with them, you need to leave and fast. I know from experience.

Gator

[DrewBerry]

This family is not worth saving. George should leave and try to save what's left of his life. Sometimes, no matter how much you love someone, if you know in your heart that he/she is going to take you down with them, you need to leave and fast. I know from experience.

Gator

Hi Gator,
ITA! This family has had plenty of opportunities to "set things straight." Each member of that fam-damly have used and abused people and resources without blinking an eye. They only care about "CMA" and their own image. I have no respect for any of them. JMO.
Drew

[Native Alien]

I have to agree with you Drew and Gator. I think that the best outcome would be for George to distance himself from this mess at this point. I get the distinct feeling that the whole situation is only going to go downhill from here for all of them if they don't get apart from one another. That, and they all need to quit trying to save Casey and worry about themselves.

They all have lost any credibility that they had.

[Native Alien]

:shrug: Who says its the right choice? I don't think he likes his options either, since in the not-so-distant past he would rather have died than stay in the vortex...sucks to be him.

You are so right Javahog. I think it is going to get even suckier to be him in the not so distance future as well. I think that if he waits much longer, his options are going to become even more limited.

I was sitting here listening to NG and supposedly Dr. Baden told NG that he misspoke about the chloroform. Not that I believe that, but that is what she is saying that he said.

Is it possible that LKB is wishing that she had never gotten involved with this case and that is her way of trying to get out of being involved?

[Kendu]

I need some help.
Who and where is the guy that NG had on every night for months with all the inside info, who addmitted loving the spotlight and spoke about the body being in a dumpster? He told Tim about how holding up a skull in the river would be a money maker? He was pushing that vile rumor about LA being the farther and talking about some sort of a Dasie Chain? I think he was a bounty hunter from CA that NG allowed to sprew BS every night without challenge. With all his inside info and source he had, do you think the FBI might have him in the whitness protection program?

[Native Alien]

Run Mallory Run....as fast and as far from these people as you can get.

None of them can tell the truth, none of them can take any responsibility for what they have done.

Sad, just so, so sad.

[Gatordog]

Its not like he's 30 and can "start over". I think he knows he's got two things left: Cindy and Lee. The closest thing he's got to starting over is going to be Lee's kids. But holycow, I just got an image in my head of Cindy as a mother-in-law! Can you even imagine what it'll be like for a girl with Lee's baby?!

All I have to say to Lee's girlfriend is RUN RUN RUN before it's too late. :chicken:

[Gatordog]

Good point. I hadn't thought of that, but he was bordering on slander there huh?

This case (again I say it) has had a negative effect on so many people. Last night Baden's wife caught a bullet. Her reputation is going to sink for that one.

One at a time, this demon Liar is hurting people all around her. THe list is so long it could cover Chicago. Our infamous cowboy is toast, but he's not at the top of the list. Cindy is. Not to mention, Jesse, Amy, Lazaro, Zenaida, Jose, Kronk, Dr. Lee, Tim, and on and on... it's a plague!

People are rushed to HOSPITALS!!!!!!!

The whole family is toxic. So many people have been run into the ground by these poisonous people's schemes to get themselves out of trouble.

Gator

[Gatordog]

This is great. Today's hearing was for the ZFG case and to get the Anthonys to be deposed. The hearing was cancelled because they came to an agreement. The Anthonys are going to answer questions at the deposition but the media will not be in the room. It's the same as Lee's conditions. But John Morgan et al can release the video at any time.

The reason for the change of heart? The Judge has been receiving email upon email from citizens who were saying that the Anthonys went up to Satsuma and George spoke to the media and they said they have been going to Casey's hearings. So, the Ants had to give in rather than have the Judge force them to the depositions.

Let's hear it for the public. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

In my opinion, the why is because their hatred of someone else was stronger than the love for their child. In both cases, the mothers did not want the burden of the child any longer but the thought of either the ex-husband or the grandmother getting the child was worse than killing the child. The better option was to kill the child they gave birth to rather than make their "enemy" happy. It had nothing to do with the child and everything to do with hatred of someone else and not wanting that person to "win".Gator

IMO that statement describes Casey to a "t". She probably thought it was possible that Cindy could get custody of Caylee and she was bound and determined that wasn't going to happen. If she couldn't have Caylee, no one would. JMO

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony's Memorial Site Up For Sale
Some Are Asking If It's Time To Remove Memorial

POSTED: 3:36 pm EDT March 18, 2009
UPDATED: 4:01 pm EDT March 18, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The owner of the land where Caylee Anthony's body was found has put the parcel up for sale, WESH 2 News learned Wednesday.

A real estate agent said the small parcel on Suburban Drive was put on the market by the owner, a resident of Winter Park.

The land quickly became a memorial to Caylee, with dozens of stuffed animals, notes and other mementoes placed along the road in east Orange County, after her body was found in December 2008.

Caylee's remains were found about five months after her mother, Casey Anthony, reported her missing. Anthony is in Orange County jail awaiting trial in October on a charge of first-degree murder in connection with Caylee's death.

The land is less than a mile from the Anthony family home.

The owner has not removed the memorial, which draws a steady stream of visitors. Some said on Wednesday that they think it is time to take it down.

WESH 2's Bob Kealing will take a closer look at the memorial and its possible removal during a special report at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

You can weigh in with your thoughts about the memorial by posting a comment below and taking our poll about whether it is time to remove it.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18960100/detail.html

[DrewBerry]

This is great. Today's hearing was for the ZFG case and to get the Anthonys to be deposed. The hearing was cancelled because they came to an agreement. The Anthonys are going to answer questions at the deposition but the media will not be in the room. It's the same as Lee's conditions. But John Morgan et al can release the video at any time.

The reason for the change of heart? The Judge has been receiving email upon email from citizens who were saying that the Anthonys went up to Satsuma and George spoke to the media and they said they have been going to Casey's hearings. So, the Ants had to give in rather than have the Judge force them to the depositions.

Let's hear it for the public. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

Yeah!! 'bout time the people are heard! :beer:

[DrewBerry]

The whole family is toxic. So many people have been run into the ground by these poisonous people's schemes to get themselves out of trouble.

Gator

Good posts, Dan and Gator! :seeya:They don't care how many people get hurt along the way.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is great. Today's hearing was for the ZFG case and to get the Anthonys to be deposed. The hearing was cancelled because they came to an agreement. The Anthonys are going to answer questions at the deposition but the media will not be in the room. It's the same as Lee's conditions. But John Morgan et al can release the video at any time.

The reason for the change of heart? The Judge has been receiving email upon email from citizens who were saying that the Anthonys went up to Satsuma and George spoke to the media and they said they have been going to Casey's hearings. So, the Ants had to give in rather than have the Judge force them to the depositions.

Let's hear it for the public. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

That is great!

[lorettalockhorn]

Good posts, Dan and Gator! :seeya:They don't care how many people get hurt along the way.

Not even each other.

[One2Snoop]

Prosecutors release e-mails, videos to Casey Anthony's defense

Prosecutors have released more investigative information -- including e-mails and videos -- to Casey Anthony's defense team.

Among the 10 items made available: videos taken by private investigator Jim Hoover; e-mails the Oak Ridge National Laboratory sent the Orange County Sheriff's Office; e-mails Detective Yuri Melich sent to the laboratory; and a photograph of a child's T-shirt.

Evidence collected for prosecutors in criminal trials must be shared with defense lawyers -- a process known as discovery.

After the defense receives the information, it then can be released publicly. It's unclear when the items recently shared with the defense will become public...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-031809,0,787820.story

Oh good more stuff to analyze! I hope they release it before the weekend so we'll have something to pick apart LOL.

[One2Snoop]

Does anyone care? I wonder if Jose will pay her a visit?

Casey Anthony's birthday will be another routine day in jail

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
5:33 PM EDT, March 18, 2009

Casey Anthony won't enjoy a birthday bash when she turns 23 on Thursday.

It will be a routine day for Central Florida's high-profile mother, who has been charged in her 2-year-old daughter's death.

Other than her attorney, Anthony doesn't have any scheduled visitors. If family members did want to visit, they'd have to talk to Anthony from a separate building via a video stream.

She'll start the day off with a cup of oatmeal, gravy and potatoes; and end the day with a dinner of smoked sausage, rice and mixed veggies.

She'll also get one cookie or piece of cake – but that's only because it's already on the jail's planned meal list.

"There is no special treatment for any inmate who has a birthday while in jail," said Allen Moore, spokesman for the Orange County Jail.

For weeks, bloggers and others have been making online pleas for people to send a birthday card to Anthony.

It's unclear if she's received any.

The jail doesn't track mail volume for specific inmates, Moore said, there are no public records that would show if anyone has tried to mail Anthony a gift.

But, Moore added, mail-room staffers say Anthony does receive "a significant amount of mail daily." Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said this through his spokeswoman Marti Mackenzie when asked about Anthony's birthday behind bars:

"Unfortunately many of my clients have spent their birthdays in jail. I will be visiting the jail tomorrow in the capacity as Casey's lawyer to discuss development in her defense."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-birthday-031809,0,1953556.story

[Amy]

"Unfortunately many of my clients have spent their birthdays in jail. I will be visiting the jail tomorrow in the capacity as Casey's lawyer to discuss development in her defense."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,1953556.story

Very professional, Mr Baez. I'm sure they won't let HIM bring her a cake. If they do, wonder if they will check it for the proverbial nail file? :chicken:

[DrewBerry]

Yes, let's hear it for people who think like us! Great minds think alike!
http://i41.tinypic.com/2ep2gjq.gif

I LOVE your clip, OS!! Very funny! Great minds, indeed! I love this group! Here's to us!:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Hmmph. Cake my butt. We all know she'll top off the day with Poptarts and skittles. Or we could all chip in and send her a bunch of licorice!

It does say Jose is visiting...in his capacity as her lawyer...

LOL, ooops I guess it does. I only skimmed the article. I wonder if he'll share licorice with her? yuk! http://i42.tinypic.com/21mw6s3.gif

[Native Alien]

According to WESH Channel 2 Orlando there is talk of 20 discs of discovery by the weekend. That's alot of information to go thru.

[One2Snoop]

According to WESH Channel 2 Orlando there is talk of 20 discs of discovery by the weekend. That's alot of information to go thru.

Bummer. Knowing how Jose works it will probably be weeks before we see anything.

[SuzDuJour]

[B][color=blue][B]Casey Anthony's birthday will be another routine day in jail. Casey Anthony won't enjoy a birthday bash when she turns 23 on Thursday.


We could all send her a card. Her picture with a heart sticker on her mouth. (Maybe over the burrito)

[One2Snoop]

We could all send her a card. Her picture with a heart sticker on her mouth. (Maybe over the burrito)


:eek: :eek: :eek: :tongue:

[SuzDuJour]

You mean... "Burrito"? lol!

At least then everyone could get a look at the naughty picture and decide if its her... (I'm leaning more that it is since it looks like the Naughty girl is wearing the same little card/french maid costume we've seen Casey in...)

I have seen the burrito BURRITO picture, but not the "you know" burrito picture. Not like I'm asking for a link...

[SuzDuJour]

Dang. My wink smiley didn't go at the end there. I WAS asking for a link!!

[One2Snoop]

Not to worry gals..........In honor of Casey's 23rd...

I took the liberty of sending her a Birthday Present AND a Birthday card ~ with all our names signed to it!....Hope ya don't mind...:)


and I Hope she likes it! http://i42.tinypic.com/10mrkg0.jpg



:beer:

LOL! What is that? :eek:

[One2Snoop]

Dang. My wink smiley didn't go at the end there. I WAS asking for a link!!


Third row...

http://images.google.com/images?ndsp=20&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=+site:photobucket.com+casey+anthony++porno

[SuzDuJour]

Not to worry gals..........In honor of Casey's 23rd...

I took the liberty of sending her a Birthday Present AND a Birthday card ~ with all our names signed to it!....Hope ya don't mind...:)


and I Hope she likes it! http://i42.tinypic.com/10mrkg0.jpg



:beer:

Too funny!!!!! I knew we could count on you Old Soul! Dang. Where's the burrito?

[One2Snoop]

Third row...

http://images.google.com/images?ndsp=20&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=+site:photobucket.com+casey+anthony++porno

Too funny!!!!! I knew we could count on you Old Soul! Dang. Where's the burrito?

Take a peek and see what you think. :biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

Snoop, don't make me pee my pants!

It's a male blow up doll......!

Well, I thought of sending her a stripper pole but I knew they wouldn't let her keep it......:tongue:

So......................http://i41.tinypic.com/5lbevt.jpg

LOL - too funny! http://i42.tinypic.com/14xl6bp.jpg

[tv]

Just heard..

Natasha Richardson has died from her injuries in a skiing accident earlier today. Only 45. How sad. She was beautiful and a great actress (mom is Vanessa Redgrave). She leaves behind husband Liam Neeson (sic) and 3 sons...........

:rose: RIP..Prayers to her sons and family. :(

I just heard this too. It's so sad. It's a reminder that our existence is very fragile and we should be grateful for every moment we have with our loved ones. :rose:

[JLette]

ok i heard this Lee Anthony DNA test story for the first time today, where was i when this happened before? lol......and i have thought for a while that he is that baby's daddy, there is something more to that family than we have seen so far, its all too weird and sick to fathom

[DrewBerry]

Not to worry gals..........In honor of Casey's 23rd...

I took the liberty of sending her a Birthday Present AND a Birthday card ~ with all our names signed to it!....Hope ya don't mind...:)


and I Hope she likes it! http://i42.tinypic.com/10mrkg0.jpg



:beer:

Good One, OS!! You crack me up! :beer:

[Native Alien]

Danagher, I think what he likely heard is that there are suppose to be missing pages of the diary that Casey was keeping.

No one has been able to confirm that there were pages or what exactly is on those pages. I know that they talked about it on NG last evening. You might want to check the transcripts of that show and see what was said. You can also read the transcript of JVS if I remember correctly.

[Mojo]

Did anyone here watch Jane VM last night? Poppa said he thinks he heard that Casey implicated herself in Caylee's death in her diary... Something about "mercy killing."

I didn't hear it, and he was walking through the den and wasn't sure. It can't be! :shrug:

Anyone?

I heard something about that at the beginning of NG's show last night. Then she went on to grill Haleigh's mom forever and I fell asleep. I was hoping to hear more about it here today. I'm assuming that this is part of the discovery that will be released this weekend? I'm dying to see what it says.

[Mojo]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

Here's the link to NG's transcript from last night's show. You have to scroll down to the bottom.
They are saying the diary says that she killed Caylee to keep her from Cindy. That she'd be better off dead than be in Cindy's custody.

[One2Snoop]

Uh oh....

Deepwater, I purposely chose that pic of Casey's birthday gift cause it has the black bar..(others didn't). I thought it would be ok.... Hope you aren't mad, as I see you deleted it.
Guess I should have sent her the stripper pole? LOL

Mea culpa.


old_soul

OS, I'm fairly certain DW didn't delete the photo - it has something to do with photobucket - not here. Thats why I like using tinypic.com because your pic won't disappear unless DW does actually delete it.

[Gatordog]

Reported this morning on WFTV news - the defense has received more discovery documents and dvds of the recovery of bones at the burial site. I expect a doc dump could be coming at any time now.

Gator

[Gatordog]

More Evidence Turned Over To Casey's Defense
Posted: 7:55 am EDT March 19, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- More of the prosecution's evidence in the case against Casey Anthony could be revealed as soon as Thursday.

The state attorney's office just handed over more files to the defense. That includes e-mails sent from Orange County investigators to the lab that tested some of the evidence.

The defense will also get to see videotapes of the wooded area near the Anthony home taken a month before Caylee's remains were found. The video shows the Anthony's private investigator Dominic Casey talking on a phone.

Prosecutors have also handed over three-dimensional photos of the scene and a photo of a child's t-shirt with the words "Big Trouble" on it.

Meanwhile, Thursday is Casey Anthony's 23rd birthday. She will spend the day in the Orange County Jail.

Her family and friends are not scheduled to visit her, but she may get a visit from her attorney Jose Baez.


http://www.wftv.com/news/18965023/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Did anyone here watch Jane VM last night? Poppa said he thinks he heard that Casey implicated herself in Caylee's death in her diary... Something about "mercy killing."

I didn't hear it, and he was walking through the den and wasn't sure. It can't be! :shrug:

Anyone?

I think NG had it on last night and the missing diary pages indicate that Casey looked at it as a mercy killing to keep Caylee from being raised by Cindy. But, there is no actual proof that these pages have been found.

If I tore pages out of a diary because they were incriminating, I'd destroy them. But then the Liar doesn't think like an average person. I was going to say "normal" but that would be giving myself liberties that others may not agree with. ;)

Gator

[JLette]

she totally doesn't think like the average person i have ever seen and i would not be surprised if the idiot HAD torn out those pages and kept them, she just seems to do alot of things that just don't make sense at all and that would certainly fit her pattern of idiotic and odd behavior

[JLette]

yea don't believe it till ya see it right? these "pages" seem to convenient to be real, so i won't hold my breath until they are released lol

[Gatordog]

Oh Thank You NA! I knew that couldn't be true because it would be a confession of sorts. He had to have picked up something but it wasn't that. I'm going to flog that man!
;)

I never looked up transcripts. I'll try it now. I guess you just google JaneVM right?

If you flog him, do it with a wet noodle - he heard correctly. The accuracy of the statements are questionable. It was Nancy Grace and if I remember correctly since it was the 1 a.m. show and I was half asleep, it was Kathi Belich from WFTV who gave the details.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0903/18/ng.01.html

Here's the link to NG's transcript from last night's show. You have to scroll down to the bottom.
They are saying the diary says that she killed Caylee to keep her from Cindy. That she'd be better off dead than be in Cindy's custody.

It was hard for me to tell if those pages have actually been discovered. We know pages were removed after sometime in '03. But how many pages? And I wonder how often Casey wrote in her diary. But anyway, Drew P makes it sound like the missing pages have been found, because he mentions entries the day before and the day after Caylee's murder. (Maybe this is another slip of the tongue by Michael Baden.)

And WTH is this?!

GRACE: OK, to Natisha Lance, any history of mental illness at all that we know of?

LANCE: None that has been substantiated but we do have reports from some of her friends who said that Casey had asked to be committed before. Also George Anthony mentioned in an interview that he did have a sister who had had some mental issues, so possibly it had skipped a generation and it had possibly affected Casey.

GRACE: Thank you for the armchair psychiatric evaluation.

What a harridan. Someone get the Midol!

[Gatordog]

From WKMG:

In birthdays past, Internet photographs show Casey Anthony wearing a tiara and celebrating with her brother, Lee Anthony.

At a memorial service for Caylee in February, Anthony's father, George Anthony urged the public to reach out to his daughter.

"She deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. Just say, 'Hi Casey, I'm thinking about you today," George Anthony said.

-------------------------------------

Dear Liar

Per your father's request, I'm sending you a note to let you know I'm thinking of you. Two week's ago, the GIRLS GONE WILD crew and van were at a club on University Blvd and I thought of how much you would have loved to be there and flash your wares. Then I thought of you when I saw a young couple coming out of a church, in tuxedo and bridal gown. You'll never wear one. I saw the sweetest little girl's birthday cake ready to be picked up at the bakery and your daughter will never have another candle to blow out. I thought of you when I went shopping and saw the most beautiful dresses to wear on dates and to clubs, and I thought of your prison blues. I had a great lunch today with friends at a restaurant, it's just an ordinary day for me but it's your birthday. I'm thinking the best you can do is pork rinds and cheetos all alone in 12.5x7 foot cell, and that's better than you deserve.

Gator

[JLette]

LMAO yea isnt natisha her producer? shouldnt she be a little less b/i/t/c/h/y with her bosses?

[JLette]

From WKMG:

In birthdays past, Internet photographs show Casey Anthony wearing a tiara and celebrating with her brother, Lee Anthony.

At a memorial service for Caylee in February, Anthony's father, George Anthony urged the public to reach out to his daughter.

"She deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. Just say, 'Hi Casey, I'm thinking about you today," George Anthony said.

-------------------------------------

Dear Liar

Per your father's request, I'm sending you a note to let you know I'm thinking of you. Two week's ago, the GIRLS GONE WILD crew and van were at a club on University Blvd and I thought of how much you would have loved to be there and flash your wares. Then I thought of you when I saw a young couple coming out of a church, in tuxedo and bridal gown. You'll never wear one. I saw the sweetest little girl's birthday cake ready to be picked up at the bakery and your daughter will never have another candle to blow out. I thought of you when I went shopping and saw the most beautiful dresses to wear on dates and to clubs, and I thought of your prison blues. I had a great lunch today with friends at a restaurant, it's just an ordinary day for me but it's your birthday. I'm thinking the best you can do is pork rinds and cheetos all alone in 12.5x7 foot cell, and that's better than you deserve.

Gator

woohoooo gator *claps* :beer: love that letter

[lorettalockhorn]

From WKMG:

In birthdays past, Internet photographs show Casey Anthony wearing a tiara and celebrating with her brother, Lee Anthony.

At a memorial service for Caylee in February, Anthony's father, George Anthony urged the public to reach out to his daughter.

"She deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. Just say, 'Hi Casey, I'm thinking about you today," George Anthony said.

-------------------------------------

Dear Liar

Per your father's request, I'm sending you a note to let you know I'm thinking of you. Two week's ago, the GIRLS GONE WILD crew and van were at a club on University Blvd and I thought of how much you would have loved to be there and flash your wares. Then I thought of you when I saw a young couple coming out of a church, in tuxedo and bridal gown. You'll never wear one. I saw the sweetest little girl's birthday cake ready to be picked up at the bakery and your daughter will never have another candle to blow out. I thought of you when I went shopping and saw the most beautiful dresses to wear on dates and to clubs, and I thought of your prison blues. I had a great lunch today with friends at a restaurant, it's just an ordinary day for me but it's your birthday. I'm thinking the best you can do is pork rinds and cheetos all alone in 12.5x7 foot cell, and that's better than you deserve.

Gator

Did you have CHILI?????????????

We should all have chili to celebrate the lying narcissistic psycho-hag bubblebutt's birthday.

[deacon]

From WKMG:

In birthdays past, Internet photographs show Casey Anthony wearing a tiara and celebrating with her brother, Lee Anthony.

At a memorial service for Caylee in February, Anthony's father, George Anthony urged the public to reach out to his daughter.

"She deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. Just say, 'Hi Casey, I'm thinking about you today," George Anthony said.

-------------------------------------

Dear Liar

Per your father's request, I'm sending you a note to let you know I'm thinking of you. Two week's ago, the GIRLS GONE WILD crew and van were at a club on University Blvd and I thought of how much you would have loved to be there and flash your wares. Then I thought of you when I saw a young couple coming out of a church, in tuxedo and bridal gown. You'll never wear one. I saw the sweetest little girl's birthday cake ready to be picked up at the bakery and your daughter will never have another candle to blow out. I thought of you when I went shopping and saw the most beautiful dresses to wear on dates and to clubs, and I thought of your prison blues. I had a great lunch today with friends at a restaurant, it's just an ordinary day for me but it's your birthday. I'm thinking the best you can do is pork rinds and cheetos all alone in 12.5x7 foot cell, and that's better than you deserve.

Gator


I love it!

[One2Snoop]

Oh Thank You NA! I knew that couldn't be true because it would be a confession of sorts. He had to have picked up something but it wasn't that. I'm going to flog that man!
;)

I never looked up transcripts. I'll try it now. I guess you just google JaneVM right?

You can find both NG and JVM transcripts at the following link....

CNN
JVM - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ijvm.html

NG - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html


This is the main transcript page to other shows...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

[lighthousedazy]

It was hard for me to tell if those pages have actually been discovered. We know pages were removed after sometime in '03. But how many pages? And I wonder how often Casey wrote in her diary. But anyway, Drew P makes it sound like the missing pages have been found, because he mentions entries the day before and the day after Caylee's murder. (Maybe this is another slip of the tongue by Michael Baden.)

And WTH is this?!

GRACE: OK, to Natisha Lance, any history of mental illness at all that we know of?

LANCE: None that has been substantiated but we do have reports from some of her friends who said that Casey had asked to be committed before. Also George Anthony mentioned in an interview that he did have a sister who had had some mental issues, so possibly it had skipped a generation and it had possibly affected Casey.

GRACE: Thank you for the armchair psychiatric evaluation.

What a harridan. Someone get the Midol!I did all I could to keep from changing the channel when NG was on. That remark was totally uncalled for.
Also when NG apologized after the break to Krystal and her lawyer, I noticed they went to commercial and cut NG off in mid sentence. My guess is that they were about to walk off the set. jmo

[One2Snoop]

Really? Then I might as well have posted the one with the 'pickle'. :biggrin:

Snoop, they do that, delete it after you use it? Why not take the darn thing off thumbnails if that's the case :rolleyes:.

Thanks for the info, m'dear. I feel better...thought I got my hand slapped.

Tinypic here I come...........

Yes, but I'm surprised they didn't give a reason like, "exceeded bandwidth" or "inappropriate content". :shrug: Anyhow, I forgot to mention if Deepwater edits anything here you can usually tell at the bottom of the post, "edited by DW at 7AM and a reason if she puts one.

Hope that helps. :seeya:

[lighthousedazy]

From WKMG:

In birthdays past, Internet photographs show Casey Anthony wearing a tiara and celebrating with her brother, Lee Anthony.

At a memorial service for Caylee in February, Anthony's father, George Anthony urged the public to reach out to his daughter.

"She deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. Just say, 'Hi Casey, I'm thinking about you today," George Anthony said.

-------------------------------------

Dear Liar

Per your father's request, I'm sending you a note to let you know I'm thinking of you. Two week's ago, the GIRLS GONE WILD crew and van were at a club on University Blvd and I thought of how much you would have loved to be there and flash your wares. Then I thought of you when I saw a young couple coming out of a church, in tuxedo and bridal gown. You'll never wear one. I saw the sweetest little girl's birthday cake ready to be picked up at the bakery and your daughter will never have another candle to blow out. I thought of you when I went shopping and saw the most beautiful dresses to wear on dates and to clubs, and I thought of your prison blues. I had a great lunch today with friends at a restaurant, it's just an ordinary day for me but it's your birthday. I'm thinking the best you can do is pork rinds and cheetos all alone in 12.5x7 foot cell, and that's better than you deserve.

GatorI love it too, Gator. You should definitely send it. :)

[One2Snoop]

I did all I could to keep from changing the channel when NG was on. That remark was totally uncalled for.
Also when NG apologized after the break to Krystal and her lawyer, I noticed they went to commercial and cut NG off in mid sentence. My guess is that they were about to walk off the set. jmo


I can't even watch her anymore. I might try again in about year LOL. It never fails though when I do, my hubby comes walking in from work and always asks me the same thing, "why are you watching that angry, bitter woman and her show?" Now when I tell him I want to watch something specific he always says, "don't tell me, Nancy Grace?" I just laugh. :tongue:

[One2Snoop]

woohoooo gator *claps* :beer: love that letter

LOL! Ditto! http://i44.tinypic.com/jhdb9z.gif

Just to rub it in a little more maybe you add a beach picture... :biggrin:

http://i44.tinypic.com/w725qe.gif

[Gatordog]

Did you have CHILI?????????????

We should all have chili to celebrate the lying narcissistic psycho-hag bubblebutt's birthday.

What a wonderful idea. It did bother her to no ends that her mother made chili on Caylee's birthday. Ha! I'm going to have that tonight.

Gator

[Amy]

It was hard for me to tell if those pages have actually been discovered. We know pages were removed after sometime in '03. But how many pages? And I wonder how often Casey wrote in her diary. But anyway, Drew P makes it sound like the missing pages have been found, because he mentions entries the day before and the day after Caylee's murder. (Maybe this is another slip of the tongue by Michael Baden.)

And WTH is this?!

GRACE: OK, to Natisha Lance, any history of mental illness at all that we know of?

LANCE: None that has been substantiated but we do have reports from some of her friends who said that Casey had asked to be committed before. Also George Anthony mentioned in an interview that he did have a sister who had had some mental issues, so possibly it had skipped a generation and it had possibly affected Casey.

GRACE: Thank you for the armchair psychiatric evaluation.

What a harridan. Someone get the Midol!

For Pete's sake!!! She gave NG the answer to her question. She reported what HAS BEEN REPORTED about mental illness in the A family. It's not like Natisha put her own spin on the reports. I think it was Cindy who mentioned to FBI in her interview about George's sister and the skip a generation thing. It's not Natisha's "interpretation." I do have a little aside for Cindy, tho. George and his sister are of the same generation. Casey is of the next generation--so, "skip a generation" doesn't even come into play here. What a dumb remark.

[lorettalockhorn]

For Pete's sake!!! She gave NG the answer to her question. She reported what HAS BEEN REPORTED about mental illness in the A family. It's not like Natisha put her own spin on the reports. I think it was Cindy who mentioned to FBI in her interview about George's sister and the skip a generation thing. It's not Natisha's "interpretation." I do have a little aside for Cindy, tho. George and his sister are of the same generation. Casey is of the next generation--so, "skip a generation" doesn't even come into play here. What a dumb remark.

Some days the Nancy Grace show is just a bully pulpit. Would I sound like a sexist pig if I suggested that someone chart NG's vile outbursts to see if they wax and wane in a 28 day cycle?

[JLette]

Some days the Nancy Grace show is just a bully pulpit. Would I sound like a sexist pig if I suggested that someone chart NG's vile outbursts to see if they wax and wane in a 28 day cycle?

not at all lol and i bet if they DID track it they would find that is the case with her, either that or menopause, it seems to be more frequent of late

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't ask why I just posted here about the Haleigh Cummings case. :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh..Oh... BRAVO! Oh Yeah! Let's send her about 100 postcards of Chili as a belated present! Pictures of nekked men! Pictures of Alcohol! http://i40.tinypic.com/98zi81.gif

Oh man I forgot to eat fricken chili today in her honor!! Tommorrow!

OS, this is the funniest thing I've seen all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't have a clue what magical ingredients Cindy puts in her chili, but we had Cincinnati chili tonight.

http://i43.tinypic.com/30hrf3c.jpg

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CASEY

[DrewBerry]

Don't have a clue what magical ingredients Cindy puts in her chili, but we had Cincinnati chili tonight.

http://i43.tinypic.com/30hrf3c.jpg

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CASEY

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! THis is Golden,Loretta!

[DrewBerry]

From WKMG:

In birthdays past, Internet photographs show Casey Anthony wearing a tiara and celebrating with her brother, Lee Anthony.

At a memorial service for Caylee in February, Anthony's father, George Anthony urged the public to reach out to his daughter.

"She deserves letters. Take the time to write a letter to her. Just say, 'Hi Casey, I'm thinking about you today," George Anthony said.

-------------------------------------

Dear Liar

Per your father's request, I'm sending you a note to let you know I'm thinking of you. Two week's ago, the GIRLS GONE WILD crew and van were at a club on University Blvd and I thought of how much you would have loved to be there and flash your wares. Then I thought of you when I saw a young couple coming out of a church, in tuxedo and bridal gown. You'll never wear one. I saw the sweetest little girl's birthday cake ready to be picked up at the bakery and your daughter will never have another candle to blow out. I thought of you when I went shopping and saw the most beautiful dresses to wear on dates and to clubs, and I thought of your prison blues. I had a great lunch today with friends at a restaurant, it's just an ordinary day for me but it's your birthday. I'm thinking the best you can do is pork rinds and cheetos all alone in 12.5x7 foot cell, and that's better than you deserve.

Gator

Hey,Gator! Love your letter. Must have been fun to write, huh? Love the part about celebrating with pork rinds and cheetos. Maybe her Bozo atty. will bring her a special stripper pole as a b'day present. He can install it in her cell and she can show him how she acted when her daughter went missing!!:biggrin:

[DrewBerry]

I love it too, Gator. You should definitely send it. :)

Yeah, Gator!! Definitely send it! Include the fact that George asked everyone to send letters. Just trying to show our support! HA, HA, HA! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Found these at I forgot where (I'll go back and get a link):

http://i42.tinypic.com/nbdg2a.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/rlkpxh.jpg

ETA: http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/03/19/casey-anthony-birthday-cards-by-coreysmom-hit-national-news/

[lighthousedazy]

Found these at I forgot where (I'll go back and get a link):

http://i42.tinypic.com/nbdg2a.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/rlkpxh.jpg

ETA: http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/03/19/casey-anthony-birthday-cards-by-coreysmom-hit-national-news/Great Loretta. :D

[Native Alien]

WESH is reporting a document dump that started just before 9:00 am this morning but they don't have anything else on it yet.

[Native Alien]

I hope that noone minds me putting the link here for the latest documents to be released.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18974121/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

I hope that noone minds me putting the link here for the latest documents to be released.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18974121/detail.html#-

Of course we don't mind.... :seeya:

READ DOCUMENTS RELEASED 03/20/09
» Dominic Casey Interview Transcript
» Cameron Campina Interview Transcript
» Charles Crittenden Interview Transcript
» Jeffrey Hopkins Interview Transcript
» Shirley Plesea Interview Transcript
» Timothy Monforte Interview Transcript
» Debbie Bennett Interview Transcript
» Melina Calabrese Interview Transcript
» Crime Scene Report, Evidence Forms
» Cell Phone, Text Records Investigative Report

http://www.wftv.com/news/18974121/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Documents: Money Stolen To Buy Caylee's B-Day Cake

Posted: 9:46 am EDT March 20, 2009Updated: 11:43 am EDT March 20, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's Office released several documents Friday morning in the case against Casey Anthony, who turned 23 in jail on Thursday.

Casey Anthony held Caylee in her arms as Caylee blew out her candle shaped like the number two on her second birthday. Friday, in an interview on August 21, 2008 with Casey Anthony's grandmother, Shirley Plesea, it's revealed that Casey used money that she had stolen from her grandmother to buy the birthday cake and other party favors for Caylee's birthday celebration (read Plesea transcript).

Plesea is Cindy Anthony's mother and she told investigators during the August interview that, about a month after Casey's arrest, Casey had stolen $45,000 from her mother Cindy, possibly through taking out credit cards in Cindy's name and that Casey's father George also took out credit cards in Cindy's name.

Casey's grandmother Shirley also wondered aloud whether Casey hated her mother Cindy more than she loved her daughter Caylee.

Also among the documents released is the transcript of detectives interviewing the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, who was recorded on video looking in the area where Caylee's remains were found one month later (read D. Casey transcript).

The sheriff's also released more crime scene reports and evidence forms (read them) as well as transcripts with a man whose wallet happened to be found in the remains area (read Timothy Monforte transcript) and a transcript of an interview with a friend who smoked marijuana with Casey.

Cameron Campina, who was friends with Casey, spoke with investigators on October 6, 2008 (read Campina transcript), and, among other things, told them he would supply marijuana and Zanax to friends. Casey would spend time with him, Campina told investigators, smoking marijuana at his apartment and she would cook food for him and her boyfriend Anthony Lazzaro.

"How was she when she smoked weed?" Orange County Sheriff's Office Detective Yuri Melich asked Campina during the interview.

"She seemed to like, almost like, I'm trying to think how to explain it. Like your first time, like almost the first time you ever smoked weed. Uh, she would, she'd get high off of very little. She'd always be laughing, smiling, you know, just having a good time. Just watching TV and movies, cooking, cooking food" Campina told investigators.

Investigators spoke to Charles Crittenden, a co-worker of Cindy Anthony at Gentiva Home Health, on November 24, 2008 (read Crittenden transcript). He told investigators that Cindy never mentioned any problems she was having regarding financial issues at home.

"As far as I knew everything was fine you know," he told investigators.

Crittenden told investigators that Cindy was told by Casey that Caylee was in Tampa.

"And you know some of the bizarre stories sounded really bizarre to us," he said, adding that he believed Cindy was accepting what Casey was telling her.

An investigative report among the documents released Friday (read cell records report) analyzes the cellular records of Casey Anthony and her boyfriend, Anthony Lazzaro, reveals a text message sent by Casey that reads, "There was definitely part of a dead animal plastered to the frame of my car." The investigative report comments that text "was believed to possibly be a pre-emptive explanation to the foul smell of decomposing tissue."

WFTV.com is going through the documents now and will have more details posted shortly. Click REFRESH for the latest updates.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18974121/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Documents Show Strained Relationship Between Casey And Her Mother
Forensic Evidence, Interviews Released In New Casey Documents
Friday, March 20, 2009 11:20:18 AM

ORLANDO -- The State Attorney's Office has released hundreds of pages of new documents in the Casey Anthony case.

The documents include forensic evidence and interviews with private investigator Dominic Casey. Detectives also interviewed Casey's grandmother, Shirley Plesea, and coworkers of Cindy Anthony.

Members of Anthony's defense team were pushing to get access to some of these documents. They said the documents were needed to properly defend their client.
Read The New Documents
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* Sheriff’s Office Forensics Reports, Evidence Lists
* Interviews with Cameron Campina, Jeffrey Hopkins, Shirley Pleasea
* Interviews with Charles Crittenden, Debbie Bennett, Melina Calabrese
* Interview with Dominic Casey
* MBI Investigative Report by Agent, Melich Letters, Michele Murphyletter, Interview Timothy Monforte

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/3/20/forensic_evidence_interviews_released_in_new_casey _documents.html

[One2Snoop]

On 5172, Shirley Pleasa says Casey took $45,000 from her parents!!!!!!

:eek: What in the world did she do with all that money?

[Gatordog]

If that miserable Liar liked to cook so much, she should have gone to culinary school. Or at least, gotten a job as a short order cook. I guess she'll learn to do that when she's serving her time. I don't think she'll enjoy it so much when she has 500 lbs of potatoes to peel a night.

Gator

[Mojo]

I hope that noone minds me putting the link here for the latest documents to be released.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18974121/detail.html#-

Are you kidding?! I've been waiting to get this all day! :beer:

[One2Snoop]

SP says she assumed she was treating her friends or something...this is a great lady, it sounds like, very sane.

The last couple of pages is LE and FBI guy trying to get her fuses fixed with Utility Guy, lol!

I'm on page 21 LOL. Funny reading about the cat and the power line down.

Casey took $54 + $354 from her grandma and grandma wanted to press charges. The bank paid back the $354 because they took it out of an account that she couldn't even write checks on. Is that right? It's a little hard to follow with all the interuptions/ activity going on. :tongue:

[One2Snoop]

My head hurts after reading that LOL.

Ok, so grandma says she thinks Casey stole $45,000, but no dollar amount was ever given to her by Cindy. Does anyone recall if there was ever any confirmation from Cindy on the dollar amount?

[javahog]

My head hurts after reading that LOL.

Ok, so grandma says she thinks Casey stole $45,000, but no dollar amount was ever given to her by Cindy. Does anyone recall if there was ever any confirmation from Cindy on the dollar amount?

Would anybody believe Cindy if she denied it?

I think SP decided on that amount as it was on a credit card, because Cindy was saying she didn't have any credit limits that high. And Shirley said Casey might have gotten one in her name. (like George did per SP)

Can you imagine? First George loses a fortune on the Nigerian scam, and then Casey takes up to $45,000, and probably blows CA's credit rating in the process? Wowie, hoo, eeep, glad I'm not Cindy, and that's before any of the rest of this!

[javahog]

In the cellular phone analysis, on page 4967, Casey was near her parents house on June 17 and there was a break in activity from 2:49 pm to 3:47 pm, when she heads off to AL's place.

Sounds like dumping time, perhaps? Or was that when she was trying out the backyard for burial?

[Gatordog]

I am sure you are right Java. I like Shirley-she is a hoot. She stood up to Liar-I like that she told her I love you but i dont like you. I also like that she told Liar not to bother coming around-she did not want her at her house. At least somebody stood up to her in some fashion. MOO

Yes, I give Shirley a lot of credit. She has everyone's number, for sure. She didn't want the liar in her house probably for fear that her granddaughter would steal the shoes right off her feet.

Gator

[javahog]

What is a "pen register and trap and trace device"? (page 4970)

Is this a bugging of their phones?

[JLette]

seems to me that Cindy's mother and George are the only family members who were completely honest with authorities this whole time, not that i am blaming Cindy for anything, i think she was just trying to keep herself from believing the worst and in order to do that she couldn't acknowledge certain things

[javahog]

It's sad reading the Debbie Bennett interview. Cindy kept getting all excited because Casey kept telling her she'd be back with Caylee, and then "something" would come up and she'd be all disappointed. All excited about getting to talk to Caylee and then, not being allowed to talk to her...

evil, nasty, horrid ------ of a daughter. Write her off and let her answer to God for what she did to Caylee and all the rest of you, Cindy!

[One2Snoop]

What is a "pen register and trap and trace device"? (page 4970)

Is this a bugging of their phones?

A pen register is an electronic device that records all numbers dialed from a particular telephone line. The term has come to include any device or program that performs similar functions to an original pen register, including programs monitoring Internet communications.

More at the link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_register

[Mojo]

I was really hoping there would be something about the diary in there. Especially with NG and the others talking about it this week like it was about to come out. grrrr

[javahog]

I was really hoping there would be something about the diary in there. Especially with NG and the others talking about it this week like it was about to come out. grrrr

There must be more on the way, as there are things we were told by official sources were coming (ie the child's shirt photo) that aren't here yet.

Don't hold your breath on the diary...I think that may have been based on a satire...and NG and JVM ran with it. Hope I'm wrong, though...

[javahog]

OT: Natalee news? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509967,00.html

[javahog]

He's B-a-a-a-ack...Leonard Padilla has emerged from his swamp and says he wants to buy the body dumping spot to make a memorial. The neighbors are not happy and say having a Caylee memorial will "burden" the neighborhood.

ttp://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-leonard-padilla-032009,0,7275530.story

It must seriously suck to live there.

[JLette]

hmmm "burden the neighborhood"? thats kinda messed up, i mean, for example a high school girl in my town was murdered last year by a classmate, stabbed to death on the way home from the bus stop and actually died in the street outside her own home, and a year later there is still a memorial of sorts outside her family home, and another girl about 4 years ago was run down in the street while waiting for the bus to come for school and the telephone pole she died next to STILL has flowers, stuffed animals etc. there all year round. so saying that a memorial would burden the neighborhood is like saying that caylee doesn't deserve to be remembered, where else would it make sense to have a little memorial spot for her than the very place where she was found? JMO

[javahog]

hmmm "burden the neighborhood"? thats kinda messed up, i mean, for example a high school girl in my town was murdered last year by a classmate, stabbed to death on the way home from the bus stop and actually died in the street outside her own home, and a year later there is still a memorial of sorts outside her family home, and another girl about 4 years ago was run down in the street while waiting for the bus to come for school and the telephone pole she died next to STILL has flowers, stuffed animals etc. there all year round. so saying that a memorial would burden the neighborhood is like saying that caylee doesn't deserve to be remembered, where else would it make sense to have a little memorial spot for her than the very place where she was found? JMO

I don't think that, beyond the immediate acknowledgment and memorial, the spot where her body was cruelly dumped and torn apart by small animals is a good place to have a permanent memorial. Mind you, I don't think a McDonald's or something should go there, but the unceremonious treatment of her should not be memorialized in the permanent future.

Of course, since she was cremated and likely being worn by the Anthony's, I can't suggest her grave would be a good spot. But I really can't stand Leonard "the Grandstander" Padilla. I feel like he's just looking for a few more minutes now that the Daisy Chain has gotten litigious.

I think the land should be left open except for Gator's sunflowers. It is sacred ground, but Caylee should not be remembered for what happened to her body. imo.

[javahog]

Here's what I'm thinking...........

That plot of land will forever be the talk of that area. It will be a story for years to come, passed down through generations, whispered ~" That's where they found little Caylee Anthony's body in 3 plastic bags! 6 months it was there - Her mother chloroformed, killed her and................." :(:no:

It reminds me of the Tate~ Polanski mansion, Nicole Simpson's home and so many others. Why not have Padilla buy up that property, and make a beautiful Caylee Anthony Memorial Park? (He'd name it that too). Flowers, grass, whatever else... S**t, who's gonna want to build their house on that? It might not even sell, or would pass hands like the others above, because of the connection to her body being found there. It would just remain the way it is, being a weeded overgrown lot.

It could be beautiful. Caylee would have love it....... Filled with lavendar and flowers and plants in her favorite color, and rock gardens...http://i41.tinypic.com/igaslf.gif

Am I nuts? I would like it , and would rather associate it with beauty than death, because that land ain't going nowhere.......:shrug:

I think that a memorial park/garden would be a wonderful idea. I just don't think LP has that kind of subtlety...all I can picture is him having a big unveiling of some big bronze sculpture of her...really, can't you picture the press event for that?

And knowing him, he'd plant daisies! http://i38.tinypic.com/35ddmbr.jpg

[JLette]

I don't think that, beyond the immediate acknowledgment and memorial, the spot where her body was cruelly dumped and torn apart by small animals is a good place to have a permanent memorial. Mind you, I don't think a McDonald's or something should go there, but the unceremonious treatment of her should not be memorialized in the permanent future.

Of course, since she was cremated and likely being worn by the Anthony's, I can't suggest her grave would be a good spot. But I really can't stand Leonard "the Grandstander" Padilla. I feel like he's just looking for a few more minutes now that the Daisy Chain has gotten litigious.

I think the land should be left open except for Gator's sunflowers. It is sacred ground, but Caylee should not be remembered for what happened to her body. imo.

well i agree with you, i was just commenting on what the neighbors said about it being a burden, i mean, in my opinion a murdered child is more important than the convenience of anyone else, i wasn't directing anything at anyone in particular but, aside from the anthony's home itself there is really nowhere else besides where she was found to PUT a memorial, and also i agree that its disgusting that Padilla wants to be the one to do it, that fake cowboy makes me sick with all his puffing and preening for the media, he is just using this poor girl and her family to gain more infamy.

maybe some foundation could get that lot and make it into some kind of.......i don't know Caylee Anthony Memorial Park or something

[One2Snoop]

That's where we come in! ;) Start sending his a** letters, that's what we'll do.

"Hey Lenny,,,You Hear us?!!!!" http://i44.tinypic.com/nvo037.gif We know you read our posts! :tongue:


Too funny OS!

[JLette]

And if anyone tried to put a memorial at the Anthonys house...wait, they did! And Lee ripped it down and Cindy took a baseball bat to the cross while cursing her enemies... http://i43.tinypic.com/x2jdx3.jpgI'm not sure a memorial on Suburban would be safe from them, lol!

yea seriously, you would think that it would hearten them a little to know that SO MANY people care and so many people are sad you know, i know that if anything even remotely like this ever happened to me or my family it would warm my heart a little to see the community and the in fact the whole country outpouring grief and support. but nothing the anthony family does makes sense

[Amy]

:eek: What in the world did she do with all that money?

That sure must have been some birthday cake and party favors!!!!

[Amy]

Actually, I have a theory on why Cindy is backing Casey. Just like so many people here, she blames herself more than Casey for what happened. IF she raised her different, IF she'd confronted her sooner, or IF she never confronted her...the way she is making up for her guilt is backing Casey and trying to save her from what Cindy blames herself for.

But if she did not hold Casey responsible at all, she would have visited on her birthday. No mother who did not blame their child would not visit them in jail on their birthday, no matter the videos.

But she would not have been able to visit her daughter in jail if her daughter did not have her on the visitation list. Which is what has been said for some time now--Casey does not have her family on the visitation list. Cindy could GO, but she probably would not get to see/visit w/Casey if this is the case.

[lorettalockhorn]

And if anyone tried to put a memorial at the Anthonys house...wait, they did! And Lee ripped it down and Cindy took a baseball bat to the cross while cursing her enemies... http://i43.tinypic.com/x2jdx3.jpgI'm not sure a memorial on Suburban would be safe from them, lol!

So very true! (Love that baseball bat smiley.) :hat:

I'm not sure that the Suburban Drive area is zoned for a permanent memorial, and Im not sure if I lived in the neighborhood if I would want a permanent memorial there, and I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't want LP for a neighbor. He's just bad news. What with his Daisy Chain and his false allegations of paternity, etc. ad nauseum.

[JLette]

He preens, he struts, he talks too much and more. But that ol cowboy was one of the few people to use his own $ to find Caylee, a nice chunk of change to be sure. He did more than her own family. He dislikes Casey as much as we do, for obvious reasons, plus a few more of his own...
No reason why it can't be his money that buys that lot and makes a Caylee Park. We often speak of him 'sarcastically ~endearingly'...him and his fricken daisy chain.

:)

hahahaha yea him and his hat just annoy me sometimes

[One2Snoop]

That sure must have been some birthday cake and party favors!!!!

According to Grandma Shirley, Casey wrote a check from Grandma's account for $54 for the birthday party stuff. From what I could get out of the transcript Casey racked up the $45,000 via credit card charges in Cindy's name? On what, :shrug: is what I'd like to know.

[Amy]

I don't think that, beyond the immediate acknowledgment and memorial, the spot where her body was cruelly dumped and torn apart by small animals is a good place to have a permanent memorial. Mind you, I don't think a McDonald's or something should go there, but the unceremonious treatment of her should not be memorialized in the permanent future.

Of course, since she was cremated and likely being worn by the Anthony's, I can't suggest her grave would be a good spot. But I really can't stand Leonard "the Grandstander" Padilla. I feel like he's just looking for a few more minutes now that the Daisy Chain has gotten litigious.

I think the land should be left open except for Gator's sunflowers. It is sacred ground, but Caylee should not be remembered for what happened to her body. imo.

The memorials I have seen are pretty much like JLette. They are @ the scene of where a person was found, many of them actually the scene of the death, whether accident or crime. It even used to be that people would put crosses and flowers along the roads where people died in car wrecks (it was determined that was a distraction and could cause more wrecks.) It does not sound morbid or even unusual to me that a memorial to Caylee would be @ the spot where she was found. IMO, it's to memorialize Caylee and has nothing to do with the condition her body was when found.

[lighthousedazy]

The memorials I have seen are pretty much like JLette. They are @ the scene of where a person was found, many of them actually the scene of the death, whether accident or crime. It even used to be that people would put crosses and flowers along the roads where people died in car wrecks (it was determined that was a distraction and could cause more wrecks.) It does not sound morbid or even unusual to me that a memorial to Caylee would be @ the spot where she was found. IMO, it's to memorialize Caylee and has nothing to do with the condition her body was when found.
I'm living in SC now and I see so many of the crosses/memorials everywhere. I think I read that SC is the 2nd or maybe 4th state in the nation with the highest fatalities but yet we have the cheapest rates on auto insurance. When I drive by these memorials, it reminds me to drive safely and I always have my seat belt on.

About the lot where Caylee's remains were found, I agree with OS, Plant the Lavender, and maybe wild flowers. That would be beautiful, a return to nature. jmo :rose:

[One2Snoop]

I'm living in SC now and I see so many of the crosses/memorials everywhere. I think I read that SC is the 2nd or maybe 4th state in the nation with the highest fatalities but yet we have the cheapest rates on auto insurance. When I drive by these memorials, it reminds me to drive safely and I always have my seat belt on.

About the lot where Caylee's remains were found, I agree with OS, Plant the Lavender, and maybe wild flowers. That would be beautiful, a return to nature. jmo :rose:

LHD I see memorials all over the place - I think it all comes down to the situation involved. I've been to many memorials where kids have experienced horrific deaths and the parents embrace the memorial and make it their own. I guess I find the whole reaction by the Anthony's horrific. Why won't they embrace Caylee's life?

The only way I'd be ok with Padilla buying this property is if he let the Anthony's be involved with the memorial for Caylee. If it only turns out to be wildflowers so be it. If they decide to add a bench that says, "In Memory of Caylee Anthony" I think that would be ok. Anything else would be inappropriate IMO.

I can't help but wonder if this is Padilla's way to redeem himself with the Anthony's? If he's looking for any kind of recognition, I say give it up and shame on you :no: LP JMO.

[sharlock]

That's where we come in! ;) Start sending his a** letters, that's what we'll do.

"Hey Lenny,,,You Hear us?!!!!" http://i44.tinypic.com/nvo037.gif We know you read our posts! :tongue:
LMFAO! Gosh I have missed you guys! I have been to busy of late to do any more than just lurk occasionally. My son celebrated his birthday on the dame day as skanky KC so I banned myself from really looking at the doc dump until after. Don't want my special boys day marred by her horrible memories of what KC did. :seeya:

[sharlock]

LHD I see memorials all over the place - I think it all comes down to the situation involved. I've been to many memorials where kids have experienced horrific deaths and the parents embrace the memorial and make it their own. I guess I find the whole reaction by the Anthony's horrific. Why won't they embrace Caylee's life?

The only way I'd be ok with Padilla buying this property is if he let the Anthony's be involved with the memorial for Caylee. If it only turns out to be wildflowers so be it. If they decide to add a bench that says, "In Memory of Caylee Anthony" I think that would be ok. Anything else would be inappropriate IMO.

I can't help but wonder if this is Padilla's way to redeem himself with the Anthony's? If he's looking for any kind of recognition, I say give it up and shame on you :no: LP JMO.
I really don't think the A's would consent to anything that LP suggested even if it was a good idea and he was offering them control. They hate him and would never deal with him even for the sake of Caylee. I don't think that means he shouldn't go ahead with the idea as long as it is tasteful and doesn't sport his cowboy hat and beaming face alongside Caylee's name. To be truthful I think that after it was built LP would get on with his own life and I think that one day some if not all of the A's will come to really understand what happened to their beloved Caylee and I have no doubt that they will each individually find their way to this spot to mourn her loss. Nothing to showy is name of the day though LP! You hear me lol.

[Native Alien]

That Shirley is truly one of a kind all right. I agree that the cops probably went and got her some fuses and put them in for her. They might even have replaced that kitchen light bulb that popped as well.

As to the property where Caylee was found. I think that one important thing to remember here is that whatever is done with it, there are alot of elementary school children that pass by that site every day. That is the only way into or out of the elementary school. So anything that is done with it would need to be with that thought in mind.

[Amy]

You may be right on snoop. Something is bugging him since the fall out with the Anthonys. Sometimes though, I get the feeling that he is still trying to discredit them by feeding the flames. He's pushing for us to admire his passion for the victim. It may be drama, it may be strategy. (Get even)

I have a problem with his professing to love Caylee. She's a stranger from a strange world. He might be in dire need of a life?

I really don't see any difference in his professing to love Caylee, a stranger from a strange world. I see the same from nearly every poster on every message board. It's just that he is on national tv and the rest of us are posters on message boards.

[Native Alien]

I fear if the Anthonies (read: Cindy) have anything to do with the memorial, there will be a 12 foot high bronze statue of Caylee being hugged by a Smilin' Liar. With a defense donation box in front.

Did anyone else go eeeew when they saw Casey has a shamrock tattooed on her rump that looks just like the shamrock shirt on the Memorial Bear? I say, eeew!

I ain't going to look at Casey's rump that close....ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!

[JLette]

i wouldn't go so far as to say i LOVE Caylee.....but i too am enraged sickened saddened and disgusted by what has happened to her. she was a mere three weeks older than my own son, when this all started its like i could not get Caylee out of my head at all, so i just followed it. but i won't say i love a child i never had the opportunity to meet in life.

[One2Snoop]

Who is Caylee Anthony's
father?

Last Edited: Friday, 20 Mar 2009, 6:00 PM EDT
Created On: Friday, 20 Mar 2009, 4:55 PM EDT

- New documents released Friday shed light on who Caylee’s father may be. For the first time we're hearing from this woman named Melina Calbrese. In an interview with Orange County Sheriff’s Office Captain Yuri Melich on October 9, 2008, she says she's been close friends with Casey since middle school.

Melina says she thought Caylee's father was Jessie Grund, Casey’s former fiancé, until the couple broke up. By then Caylee was 9 months old. Calabrese says that's when Casey told her Caylee's father is "a really hot guy" named Josh from Georgia who she met at Universal Studios. Calabrese says Casey had a one night stand with josh at a hotel near universal studios and caylee was conceived. Josh had a girlfriend he was planning on marrying and already had a child.

Casey Anthony told Calabrese the same story she told her mother.caylee's father is dead, killed in a car accident around the time of caylee's second birthday.

Casey did have a rest in peace memorial to a guy named Josh on her facebook page. But Josh was not from Georgia. Fox 35 did find an obituary for a "Josh". At this point we're still not sure who Caylee's dad is. In sworn testimony last month Casey’s brother lee told lawyers he didn't know with 100 percent certainty who Caylee's dad was and neither do investigators.

FOX 35 has also learned Casey tried to hide her pregnancy and letting people know sometime around her 7th month. Caylee was born in August. Charles Crittenden, one of Cindy Anthony’s coworkers told investigators in an interview November 24, 2008, that some time in June Casey came to see her mom and work and was noticeably pregnant. He said "she had on this big coat was trying to cover it up."

Casey's grandmother told detectives she didn't realize her granddaughter was pregnant until around that time either. The co-worker said quote "I didn't know how Cindy didn't she was pregnant. But I didn’t know how she could not see that."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/032009who_is_caylees_father

[Amy]

Well, I'll say it: I don't love Caylee. How could I? I don't know her and never did. But as a member of society, I am enraged that this fellow member of society, especially a little helpless one, did not get the chance to live and grow up. I think the most any of us could say for a stranger is, we love the concept of them. If caring about missing or murdered children was as capricious as love is, then a lot of them would go unsearched for...if no one were to "fall in love" with their photo, no one would look...and not all missing kids are as cute as Caylee was.

All I'm saying is, there are many, many posters on this and other message boards who have said, "we love you Caylee" and things like that. Which, IMO, is no different than LP saying he loves Caylee. "she has stolen our hearts (which is love)"

[Justice Denied?]

According to Grandma Shirley, Casey wrote a check from Grandma's account for $54 for the birthday party stuff. From what I could get out of the transcript Casey racked up the $45,000 via credit card charges in Cindy's name? On what, :shrug: is what I'd like to know.

And Cindy never noticed until it got to be $45,000. Give me a break. Casey had to be bringing merchandise or something into that house. JMO, MOO

[JLette]

And Cindy never noticed until it got to be $45,000. Give me a break. Casey had to be bringing merchandise or something into that house. JMO, MOO

lol tell you what i take so much as 5 dollars outta my moms purse and she knows, a while back my little sister got a hold of her bank card and charged about 600 dollars (counting overdraft fees) on an online gaming site and our mom was LIVID!!!! there is no way that Cindy didn't notice or realize this theft for so long, i mean, unless she NEVER looked at her bank statements or credit reports

[SaraSidle]

LOL! Ditto! http://i44.tinypic.com/jhdb9z.gif

Just to rub it in a little more maybe you add a beach picture... :biggrin:

http://i44.tinypic.com/w725qe.gif

very cute. makes me jealous............sara

[One2Snoop]

And Cindy never noticed until it got to be $45,000. Give me a break. Casey had to be bringing merchandise or something into that house. JMO, MOO

lol tell you what i take so much as 5 dollars outta my moms purse and she knows, a while back my little sister got a hold of her bank card and charged about 600 dollars (counting overdraft fees) on an online gaming site and our mom was LIVID!!!! there is no way that Cindy didn't notice or realize this theft for so long, i mean, unless she NEVER looked at her bank statements or credit reports

I know it does not make sense-billing had to come to the house? Unless Liar had a PO box and was using cash advances to pay the bill? Or perhaps she did it over time with different cards? I can see C busting her on it then Liar doing it several more times? MOO

If Liar was home during the day when the mail came, she could've easily hid the statments, although collection agencies would be calling night and day after some period of time.

That's why I questioned Grandma Shirley's knowledge of the $45,000. I think she was guessing and it might of actually been George's debt she was thinking of. Old age = confusion. I have to admit my head was spinning after reading her transcript with LE.

[lorettalockhorn]

That's an interesting thought about a line of credit on the house, but don't those transactions require a face to face meeting? I wondered if Cindy had told Shirley four or five thousand and she interpreted it to be $45,000.

Way behind on my Caylee case reading, but I think so far that Shirley is the most sensible person involved in the whole case! Bless her heart. What a thing to happen at this time in her life when she's virtually alone and so is her husband. (Got real tickled when she told LE that she was sitting in the bathroom.)

Thanks for all the links O2S and everyone and the great comments! :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

This is one point that makes me question my theory of how this could have happened...if George was so hammered by the Nigerian scam, you'd think their credit would be affected. For Casey to be able to get $45k in Cindy's name might not have been possible. How pristine could her credit have been. And if George had taken out cards in her name, like Shirley said, same problem.

Whoa...unless she took out a line of credit on the house?! That would explain why it was so big. Shirley did say she almost made them lose the house, didn't she? Or am I confusing Shirley with a posters comments somewhere?

Yes Shirley said that....

Casey Anthony nearly caused parents to lose house, grandmother says

Bianca Prieto and Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writers
1:16 PM EDT, March 20, 2009
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-documents-032009,0,1424670.story

[Gatordog]

hmmm "burden the neighborhood"? thats kinda messed up, i mean, for example a high school girl in my town was murdered last year by a classmate, stabbed to death on the way home from the bus stop and actually died in the street outside her own home, and a year later there is still a memorial of sorts outside her family home, and another girl about 4 years ago was run down in the street while waiting for the bus to come for school and the telephone pole she died next to STILL has flowers, stuffed animals etc. there all year round. so saying that a memorial would burden the neighborhood is like saying that caylee doesn't deserve to be remembered, where else would it make sense to have a little memorial spot for her than the very place where she was found? JMO

It's across the street from an elementary school and children have to pass it everyday. It can be upsetting to some children especially those who are sensitive. Plus it is in a residential subdivision and the neighbors have been very tolerant of having strangers going in and out of their neighborhood. They have put up with enough.

This may be harsh and most of you probably will not agree but, unfortunately and sadly, children die everyday. Why should this case or child be more important or tragic than any one else's loss? I have no answer as to the best use of the land. I just know that I would not want to live in a house built on that property.

gator

[Amy]

It's across the street from an elementary school and children have to pass it everyday. It can be upsetting to some children especially those who are sensitive. Plus it is in a residential subdivision and the neighbors have been very tolerant of having strangers going in and out of their neighborhood. They have put up with enough.

This may be harsh and most of you probably will not agree but, unfortunately and sadly, children die everyday. Why should this case or child be more important or tragic than any one else's loss? I have no answer as to the best use of the land. I just know that I would not want to live in a house built on that property.

gator

If LP bought the land, I would highly doubt that building a house would be on his agenda, tho. Perhaps he already has the idea of, or will read posts to steer him toward just maintaining the area with the wildflowers that grow there--along with your flowers, other seeds that were planted there. Maybe a bench, but nothing flashy. The school children are going to pass there everyday, whether there is a memorial or not. I suppose for years to come, they will be hearing the story about Caylee being found there. Maybe it wouldn't be so "scary" if there were some flowers and a bench.

I wouldn't want to live in a house built there, either.

[Gatordog]

I know it does not make sense-billing had to come to the house? Unless Liar had a PO box and was using cash advances to pay the bill? Or perhaps she did it over time with different cards? I can see C busting her on it then Liar doing it several more times? MOO

The liar didn't work and she probably went through the mail first and removed the statements. She might have opened up a few accounts using Cindy's name and then, with penalty fees and no payments being made, the interest skyrocketted.

[JLette]

It's across the street from an elementary school and children have to pass it everyday. It can be upsetting to some children especially those who are sensitive. Plus it is in a residential subdivision and the neighbors have been very tolerant of having strangers going in and out of their neighborhood. They have put up with enough.

This may be harsh and most of you probably will not agree but, unfortunately and sadly, children die everyday. Why should this case or child be more important or tragic than any one else's loss? I have no answer as to the best use of the land. I just know that I would not want to live in a house built on that property.

gator

i know that children die everyday and that is a terrible fact of the condition of the world we live in now, but IMO i think that EVERY murdered child should get some kind of special memorial in their honor, for lives that are cut short too soon, it's a damn shame that only some of these cases get the media attention and the rest go unnoticed.

i certainly hope that no house is ever built there, i cannot see anyone wanting to live in a home on that property, i think the best thing they could do with that lot is just bulldoze it and plant flowers, grass and trees, make it something less sinister than it is now.

[Gatordog]

I checked with someone who had one, and they said since it was not a new mortgage, just an "activation" of the equity, it was no different than a credit card...We all know Casey had quite the sense of propriety on that house...hey, they were going to "give" it to her, no? lol!

I wonder how Shirley's relationship is with Cindy after this interview came out? I hope she's okay...(did you note she mentioned her chili? Now we know where Cindy's chili recipe comes from!)

Plus, before all this mortgage cr*p hit the fan, I was getting three or four letters a week from banks with home equity loan forms which basically only needed my signature for lines of credit up to $100k.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I checked with someone who had one, and they said since it was not a new mortgage, just an "activation" of the equity, it was no different than a credit card...We all know Casey had quite the sense of propriety on that house...hey, they were going to "give" it to her, no? lol!

I wonder how Shirley's relationship is with Cindy after this interview came out? I hope she's okay...(did you note she mentioned her chili? Now we know where Cindy's chili recipe comes from!)

I immediately thought of Casey snotting and boohooing when Shirley mentioned the chili.

Thanks for the info, I was thinking that Sue Grafton (maybe?) had a home equity scheme plot in one of her books and the check was brought to the owner's home for a signature. And you're right about The Liar's sense of propriety about the house, and I'm surprised that she didn't act on it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Do you think if I sent Shirley some daisies, she'd send me the chili recipe? I mean, anything good enough to make Casey Anthony cry real tears...! Me want!

:hat: OMIGOSH Java! Shirley should give out her chili recipe for a pittance; we could all purchase it and help her and Al out!

Of all the people that Casey has screwed over, besides sweet little Caylee, the Plesea's bother me the most. The video of Caylee and Al sitting quietly and comforting each other gets to me the most too; knowing that in a few hours she'll be gone.

[Native Alien]

Plus, before all this mortgage cr*p hit the fan, I was getting three or four letters a week from banks with home equity loan forms which basically only needed my signature for lines of credit up to $100k.

Gator

We did the same thing here Gator and we are still getting offers for a line of credit based on home equity. All they require is the signature to activate and they send what amounts to a credit card.

But I don't know past that because we have declined all the offers.

[sharlock]

If LP bought the land, I would highly doubt that building a house would be on his agenda, tho. Perhaps he already has the idea of, or will read posts to steer him toward just maintaining the area with the wildflowers that grow there--along with your flowers, other seeds that were planted there. Maybe a bench, but nothing flashy. The school children are going to pass there everyday, whether there is a memorial or not. I suppose for years to come, they will be hearing the story about Caylee being found there. Maybe it wouldn't be so "scary" if there were some flowers and a bench.

I wouldn't want to live in a house built there, either.
Exactly what I was imagining, that plot left as it is will surely become the haunted place for all the neighborhood kids to run by. Wild flowers would be nice and might take away some of that horror.

[sharlock]

Plus, before all this mortgage cr*p hit the fan, I was getting three or four letters a week from banks with home equity loan forms which basically only needed my signature for lines of credit up to $100k.

Gator
OMG, this could be what she did. She is certainly brazen enough and she did think she owned that house. I also thought though that 4 to 5 thousand could easily be mistaken for 45,000 as someone mentioned earlier so I would like to know more.

[sharlock]

Wow, at least if we started a Shirley Plesea Chili Fund, we could be assured she would not ship it to Casey!
Yes indeedy! Hey did anyone els find the comment about Casye keeping her money in a locker at Hard Rock odd? That could be worth looking into.:rolleyes:
MMmmm I feel like chilli!:D

[Gatordog]

We did the same thing here Gator and we are still getting offers for a line of credit based on home equity. All they require is the signature to activate and they send what amounts to a credit card.

But I don't know past that because we have declined all the offers.

I declined too but I know that some of them are like a checking account. They send you a check book with checks and you can cash them anyplace.

Who would think that their daughter would be so devious as to do this? Cindy should have spent $50 a year and had a Credit Report Company monitor her accounts. I do, it's worth it and I don't have a skank for a daughter.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Yes indeedy! Hey did anyone els find the comment about Casye keeping her money in a locker at Hard Rock odd? That could be worth looking into.:rolleyes:
MMmmm I feel like chilli!:D

I wonder if there had been any thefts in employee lockers at the Hard Rock Hotel? Very odd statement. If she did spent $45K, it has to be hidden someplace. She doesn't seem to have any nice jewelry, no new car, certainly didn't buy gasoline, no rent or utility bills, shopped at target, so where's the money? She couldn't have used it all on drinks unless it was on vacation in Paris or Italy. :shrug:

Gator

[JLette]

Oh my gosh, I hadn't thought of this...on another site someone pointed out, what are the odds that George was scammed, and his daughter is a scammer?

What if George losing money in a Nigerian scam and Casey ripping her parents off were one and the same event?

OMG java! that along with so many other theories makes so much sense, when i watched the jailhouse visits it seemed as though George would do anything for his "little girl" and maybe making himself out to look like an idiot who got scammed to keep Casey outta trouble with mom was worth it to him. ALSO he found out that Caylee's college fund that he started had been cleaned out as well, i bet he would have covered that up too if he could have.