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Woostock
03-08-2009, 08:07 AM
Wow Snoop
the resemblance sure is there once the photos are side by side.
I wont even get into my DH's family tree LOL He is Danish. Came over on the Stockholm in 57. He and our sons are very dark skin color,brown eyed and brown hair. He has alot of gypsy in him. I know from the bit of his family tree there was raping and pillaging. I think it's interesting- he just does not wanna go there? I dont get it LOLSmall world! My grandfather worked on the Stockholm to pay for his passage to America the second time he immigrated. My father's family is Swedish but some of have light hair and some dark.
eatcupcakes
03-08-2009, 09:12 AM
I agree and I really wish that we had more Sheriffs like that one in Arizona.
What we need is more Prison Wardens that think like Sheriff Joe. He is only in charge of the County Jail, in which we have mostly offenders of DUI, Child Support issures and petty crime. He is very popular here in AZ but the people who do not support him are very vocal also. I don't like him because he is so Cocky but I like what he does in the Jail.
eatcupcakes
03-08-2009, 09:13 AM
You know if I was a man and father of Caylee it would sure be my right to know that she is no longer alive. just my point but I mean it. IMO sara
I think he knows she is no longer alive, everyone does. However I don't think he cares, He didn't care about her when she was alive.
eatcupcakes
03-08-2009, 09:15 AM
Wow Snoop
the resemblance sure is there once the photos are side by side.
I don't know what this guy you are referring to looks like but I always thought Caylee was the spitting image of Cindy.
Woostock
03-08-2009, 10:09 AM
eatcupcakes
Look at the two photos One2Snoop posted a while back.
Gatordog
03-08-2009, 05:08 PM
If this were China or the Middle East, Ms Anthony would be a dim memory soon after they found the evidence in the car.
I hate all this hoop la la where they spend millions to prove what is blasted obvious. Lawyers get famous and tax payers get the shaft, while killers get the pork rinds. If I ruled the world, she'd be toasted on a slow fire for what she OBVIOUSLY did to the child entrusted to her care.
This justice system is good sometimes but they spend too much and talk too much to get to the justice. I'm so tired of these media addicted lawyers. They are 10 cent horses I don't care how they dress them up and put make up on them. A 10 cent horse is still a 10 cent horse. No amount of air brushed photos in People's magazine is going to make them any more than that, and Casey Anthony is a menace to anyone worth a cent more. She has destroyed a lot of damn people. And she killed a baby. IMO
:flamemad:
I work with a lot of people from the ME. When they come here, their families do not want to go back. Women are not allowed to drive a car, eat in a restaurant or go to the mall with a man. ME law would not even prosecute a man for killing or disfiguring his wife or daughter. If a man stole from a man the penalty would be severe but if he stole from a woman, it wouldn't count. Our justice system has flaws but remember it is the jury that decides and in most cases, they get it right.
gator
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 05:25 PM
Just bumping since it came up. Dude's a ringer. They both have very distinctive philtrums, and they are the same. None of the Anthonys have that exact same philtrum, imo...
Learn something new everyday LOL. :o I had to go look that one up! :read: It's been awhile since I've attended an A&P class.
The philtrum also known as the infranasal depression is the vertical groove in the upper lip, formed where the nasomedial and maxillary processes meet during embryonic development.
Speaking of fairy tales, can someone help me with Lee's explanation of Timer 55? He explained that there were 55 days between June 14th and Caylee's BDay on August 9th. But did something supposedly happen on the 14th? Why would the 14th be significant to Zani? Now when I look at the 2008 calendar and count back 55 days from 8/9, I get the 15th as Day One. That is the day of the big blow up between Cindy and Casey, and if you don't believe that George saw Casey on the 16th, it's the last time that she was seen alive. So how/why is 6/14 important?
Help me understand! Or is understanding hopeless in this case?
Another red herring? Wonder if, even now, the A's are trying to keep away from the big fight on the 15th--even tho Lee had reported it in the interview(s) w/authorities. Not, Cindy, tho, according to her, it was a nice, normal, relaxed evening @ the A residence on the 15th. Lee talked about it-as related to him from, I guess Casey. And the neighbor confirms it.
I don't know where their brains are tho. June 9, June 14, both days which do not seem to have anything significant to the case going on. Let's not mention the 15th, mention any other day!!!!!
eatcupcakes
Look at the two photos One2Snoop posted a while back.
IIRC, she didn't meet this roommate of whomever til after she was pregnant, like she didn't strike up a relationship w/Jesse until after she was pregnant. Even tho there is some resemblance--the cheekbones in particular, I also think she is the spitting image of Cindy.
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 06:14 PM
Casey calls Dr. Phil...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeELS_fv5ec
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 06:31 PM
IIRC, she didn't meet this roommate of whomever til after she was pregnant, like she didn't strike up a relationship w/Jesse until after she was pregnant. Even tho there is some resemblance--the cheekbones in particular, I also think she is the spitting image of Cindy.
Here's info on JP Chatt from the Who's who list. I don't think he's the father...
Chatt, JP (John Philip) – Roommate of Ricardo Morales (Casey's ex) and Amy Huizenga (Casey's friend). He bears striking resemblance to Caylee, but not sure when he met Casey. He disliked her, according to Amy.
lorettalockhorn
03-08-2009, 08:50 PM
Casey calls Dr. Phil...
What a scream! (And that's coming from someone who dislikes Dr. Phil almost as much as I dislike Casey.) :hat:
Here's info on JP Chatt from the Who's who list. I don't think he's the father...
Chatt, JP (John Philip) – Roommate of Ricardo Morales (Casey's ex) and Amy Huizenga (Casey's friend). He bears striking resemblance to Caylee, but not sure when he met Casey. He disliked her, according to Amy.
Hmmm Hate sex?
(Didn't think they knew each other before she was pregnant?)
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 09:05 PM
What a scream! (And that's coming from someone who dislikes Dr. Phil almost as much as I dislike Casey.) :hat:
Hmmm Hate sex?
(Didn't think they knew each other before she was pregnant?)
Summer 2005 Casey tells ex-fiance Jesse Grund that she is pregnant with his baby. Jesse is willing to accept responsiblity, but requests a DNA test at Caylee's birth.
August 2005 DNA tests show Jesse could not possibly be Caylee's father.
June 2007 there-about, Casey met Ricardo Morales and Amy Huizenga and their pals at a birthday party. Amy left for six months to work a cruise ship and when she came back in December, Casey was hanging with her people. (Note about Amy: she hired-on in the entertainment dept of the cruise line and ended up just setting-up and breaking-down for various bands.)
August 2007 Ricardo Morales moved from Jacksonville FL to Orlando for employment reasons
http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2008/08/casey-anthony-timeline-tentative.html
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 09:44 PM
Do you know who invited Casey to the party?
No, sorry I don't recall - I'll look around and see if I can find anything.
Brainstorm
03-08-2009, 10:00 PM
Maine??? Holy crap! No wonder you can still buy 10 acres for 10K there. You do mean Maine right?
Anyway, everybody loves Orlando baby! No one wants to go home from there. I wish I wass there right now. It's 55 degrees and muddy.
I thought she meant the Middle East?
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 10:22 PM
And also, do you know if LE released an interview with him? I haven't found one, but everyone but him in that circle has an interview transcript out there...
Ricardo Morales interview?
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf
ETA: He talks about meeting Casey at the Birthday Party but doesn't say who she came with.
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 10:53 PM
no, i meant jp, sorry...but i haven't found an interview with JP at least that's been released. Surely they interviewed him? Maybe I'm just stupid tired tonight...
I noticed that troy brown in his interview said there was tension because Casey came with Ricardo and tony didn't enjoy that....or vice versa...
I don't recall but was he even interviewed by the police? :shrug: I've not been able to find anything.
One2Snoop
03-08-2009, 10:56 PM
Here's another good website that lists Who's Who and has transcripts/interviews linked below each name...
http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/people_of_interest.html
browneyes106
03-09-2009, 01:48 AM
I could have sworn he was on a "to do" list of sorts for police interviews, but I can't find jack...I simply can't imagine why he would not have been interviewed. Roommate, on the PR trip, part of the circle, he's even made videos with these folks if you look at youtube.
Could they have interviewed him and sealed it?
Are you talking about JP Chatt? I think they interviewed JP because it was mentioned by others that he didn't like Casey and Casey didn't like him. I remember reading somewhere that JP's family is very wealthy and that he, Ricardo and Amy stayed at their home in PR.
Gatordog
03-09-2009, 08:38 AM
Maine??? Holy crap! No wonder you can still buy 10 acres for 10K there. You do mean Maine right?
Anyway, everybody loves Orlando baby! No one wants to go home from there. I wish I wass there right now. It's 55 degrees and muddy.
Nobody I know wants to leave Maine. I have it on my list of places to visit. I mean the Middle East. The laws there are written for men. Women basically have no rights.
Anyone planning on visiting Florida soon should make sure to bring their allergy meds. I had to go to the mini clinic on Sunday morning because I looked like Quasimodo. My eyes were swollen almost shut. The nurse practicioner said that's all she's been seeing - severe allergies. Orlando is in the red zone due to no rain.
Gator
Can he (or anyone else) refuse a DNA test request by LE? This guy might have a private life, or be in a good relationship. Will he be another victim of this devil liar?
She has intruded on so many lives... If he spent time with her in bed, it could be exposed and destroy his life.. not that the truth would do too much harm in the long run. But for the sake of the innocent ones, this investigation can do a lot of damage.
He sure does look like Caylee though.
Of course, it takes 2 to tango. Men (and women) should think about their "good relationships" or potential good relationships, their private lives, etc before they jump in the sack willy nilly. IF LE has taken his DNA, (if they are looking for Caylee's dad) and IF that DNA is negative match, and IF the "encounter" if there was one occured before a current relationship---his reputation and private life should do just fine, IMO.
joekuhl79
03-09-2009, 11:50 AM
That is funny - I'll be passing it along to a couple of people but not to my sheep. I have 14 lambs this year.
Oh come on now!! Even the sheep know that one's funny!
shadydaisy
03-09-2009, 02:10 PM
Nobody I know wants to leave Maine. I have it on my list of places to visit. I mean the Middle East. The laws there are written for men. Women basically have no rights.
Anyone planning on visiting Florida soon should make sure to bring their allergy meds. I had to go to the mini clinic on Sunday morning because I looked like Quasimodo. My eyes were swollen almost shut. The nurse practicioner said that's all she's been seeing - severe allergies. Orlando is in the red zone due to no rain.
Gator
The only good thing is I know that when my allergies start up winter is coming to an end! As long as it's warm and things start to grow I'm ok with the sneezing and watery eyes. I am highly allergic to the process when the leaves start to change in the fall. I have to wear a mask when I rake. Then I'm depressed because I know we're back to winter....
Oh come on now!! Even the sheep know that one's funny!
Well, they can hear a grain bucket from an acre away! I've gotta say, and I've had a lot of animals through the years, sheep really don't have much of a personality. When they talk about people having a sheep mentality, they are not kidding. Even the one's that I've hand-raised in the house are great until they get out in the fields with the flock, and then they fall right in line with the others.
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 03:21 PM
Okay, I went back to the calendar and counted like a first-grader :hat: and if June 16th is Day One, then August 9th is Day 55. So now I'm wondering when did Zani tell Casey about Timer 55 being the Lesson Plan? Didn't this whole thing start out as having occurred 6/9? Did that come from Cindy only, or was Casey also using that date? (Thought she was.) Wouldn't Zani have used Timer 62 for the password? Was Casey as slow to catch on as I was? :eek:
I have to laugh at the thought of Baez carrying code messages to and from Casey and the sycophANTs.
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 03:25 PM
That could very well be Java-is he not the one who disliked Liar? Maybe he had good reason-or was just smart enough to see thru her. It must have killed her that here was a guy coming from money that she could not latch on to. MOO
It's frightening that people either didn't see through Casey or just didn't care and accepted her friendship despite the fact that she's a theiving liar.
So, didn't JP meet Casey the same time that she met Tony at the party with Amy? Is there some notion that he actually knew her back in '04 when she got pregnant? I guess to know her is to dislike/loathe her.
One2Snoop
03-09-2009, 03:55 PM
It's frightening that people either didn't see through Casey or just didn't care and accepted her friendship despite the fact that she's a theiving liar.
So, didn't JP meet Casey the same time that she met Tony at the party with Amy? Is there some notion that he actually knew her back in '04 when she got pregnant? I guess to know her is to dislike/loathe her.
Thats what I'm assuming, June 2007. I've not found anything that indicates he knew her in 2004. :shrug:
June 2007 there-about, Casey met Ricardo Morales and Amy Huizenga and their pals at a birthday party. Amy left for six months to work a cruise ship and when she came back in December, Casey was hanging with her people. (Note about Amy: she hired-on in the entertainment dept of the cruise line and ended up just setting-up and breaking-down for various bands.)
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 03:56 PM
Good catch there Loretta!!!! I know u were hard pressed to listen to Lee's depo-the world according to Lee on his depo was that Liar told him that Zanny created the Timer 55 password. So yes that would mean Zanny was a screwed up as they were on the dates. I think i am following this correctly? Whew this is just so many details.
Well, it always seemed odd to me that none of the Ants could hang the date of Caylee's disappearance on Father's Day. Casey never said she was taken the day after FD, and George never said he last saw her the day after FD; they started out using the 9th. And I'm pretty sure Casey used that date too, although during the 911 call, she did tell the operator that it had been 31 days since she last saw Caylee. Just can't help but think that there's something contrived about the dates. But can't figure out what the benefit would be.
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 03:57 PM
Thats what I'm assuming, June 2007. I've not found anything that indicates he knew her in 2004. :shrug:
Me neither. So I'm wondering why some people* are so insistent that JPC must be Caylee's father (now that Lee has been ruled out).
ETA: *Not talking about here necessarily. But maybe it's possible and that's why we don't see an interview in the dumps.
lighthousedazy
03-09-2009, 04:34 PM
Comeon you guys, we haven't heard a word out of her mouth whether she met him earlier or not. This is all our supersleuthing. So this possibility that they could have hooked up is just as viable as the poor guy who was killed in the car accident who didn't make it to Caylee's birthday party.
Question is why did he dislike her so much? She's personable enough, the sneak. Can carry on a halfway decent conversation. Loves to party and hang out. Everyone else thought she was ok...what was JP's problem with her? Usually it would be a girl saying "I don't know, there's just something about her I don't like"...not a guy. Guys couldn't give a rat's a**, they might just find her amusing and easy on the eyes, though ditzy.
Somethings just fishy about it, and I could be way off..but that resemblance is uncanny........
The question cannot be answered anyway, she won't talk and he has done the chicken (probably) :chicken: (another reason for him to stay away from this situation ~ his family's $.Maybe there's a chance she insulted him, etc. and he saw through her. jmo :confused: I think the resemblance is amazing too, the shape of the eyes, lips, nose, etc.
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 04:43 PM
Comeon you guys, we haven't heard a word out of her mouth whether she met him earlier or not. This is all our supersleuthing. So this possibility that they could have hooked up is just as viable as the poor guy who was killed in the car accident who didn't make it to Caylee's birthday party.
Question is why did he dislike her so much? She's personable enough, the sneak. Can carry on a halfway decent conversation. Loves to party and hang out. Everyone else thought she was ok...what was JP's problem with her? Usually it would be a girl saying "I don't know, there's just something about her I don't like"...not a guy. Guys couldn't give a rat's a**, they might just find her amusing and easy on the eyes, though ditzy.
Somethings just fishy about it, and I could be way off..but that resemblance is uncanny........
The question cannot be answered anyway, she won't talk and he has done the chicken (probably) :chicken: (another reason for him to stay away from this situation ~ his family's $.
Yeah, sometimes (in some pix) I think Caylee does look an awful lot like JPC, but it looks like by now, someone would have connected the two back in 2004. I mean, Orlando seems like just a big small town with plenty full of blabbermouths!
I don't personally find her to be that personable; too much of a show off and narcissist and irresponsible. But maybe most of her crowd is that way. They sure seemed to join right in when she was posing for the camera. I suppose that depending on how much money the Chats have, and how old it is, he has been groomed to avoid people like Casey like the plague.
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 05:31 PM
Way to funny lol. Weather is nuts. I just stepped out on the deck to check my meat on the barbie-sun shining,blue sky and about 45???? Yes i always wondered about the Mark guy out in Cali. (army guy). Perhaps she had no funds to get out there. Nobody left to rip off. Yes they must feel "Impotent" yes i meant to spell it that way. With their code talk. Oh lordy. MOO
I read somewhere the LE traveled to Cali to interview Mark Hawkins, but haven't seen that interview turn up yet either.
Sorry to hear u are suffering Gator-I use an eye drop i find really works-I know i dont have the name quite right as it is has worn of the bottle-Panthanol or something to that effect-Eye Dr. also told me ice wraps on the eyes 10 min a day times 2 or more. Very effective. Good luck and i would be happy to send you some of our 3 day downpour we had. lol
When y'all get a chance check out the video's Snoop posted on the no discussion board. Makes Liar look even more foolish. If Timer 55 password was so important to when Caylee would be returned why is it she cant remember such an important fact when C asks for her password? Hmmmmm
The password change confuses me. From what I got from Lee, it seems someone other than Casey changed that password. He doesn't know who did change it, but, by golly, that Jesse Grund had the ablility to do that (how? Because he knew her old password, and got on and changed it?)
Then, in the FBI interview, Cindy tells them that she is trying to piece things together on the "clues" that Casey has given to her, and she goes into the Timer55 thing--but from THAT conversation, it really sounds like Cindy thinks CASEY changed the password.
Anyway, if someone other than Casey or one of the A's changed the password, just HOW did the A's come up with Timer55? I could see, in their count from the 15th to Caylee's birthday, coming up with 55. But TIMER? How did they happen up on THAT word? Cuz, it doesn't sound like Jesse beat a path to her door to tell Casey what the new password was (if he was the one who changed it --cough, cough) or Zanny or whomever. She wouldn't have a password to get an email to get that information.:confused:
I read somewhere the LE traveled to Cali to interview Mark Hawkins, but haven't seen that interview turn up yet either.
It seems that was to occur about the time Yuri had his unfortunate motorcycle ride. I'm thinking he is one of them who was to go, but he obviously didn't. There was more reporting on him than whether or not other detectives made the trip. But, I do remember it was scheduled to happen, for sure.
Gatordog
03-09-2009, 07:25 PM
Tonight on WKMG or Fox 35 it was reported that the state's attorney filed papers to investigate "How Casey Anthony went went from Pauper to Princess". They said that the family practically claimed destitution in the beginning and now Casey has over eight attorneys and experts. They want to look into what Bozo Baez has cooked up to have her go "from rags to riches".
Forgive me if I misspelled or typed anything incorrectly. I just went to my first visit at a gym and had a trainer work with me. I think he tried to kill me. he's lucky I didn't call 911 for attempted murder. My mother asked me if I was going to keep using a trainer. I said hel* no - my youngest brother would happily torture me for free, why should I pay anyone?
Gator
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 07:31 PM
Tonight on WKMG or Fox 35 it was reported that the state's attorney filed papers to investigate "How Casey Anthony went went from Pauper to Princess". They said that the family practically claimed destitution in the beginning and now Casey has over eight attorneys and experts. They want to look into what Bozo Baez has cooked up to have her go "from rags to riches".
Forgive me if I misspelled or typed anything incorrectly. I just went to my first visit at a gym and had a trainer work with me. I think he tried to kill me. he's lucky I didn't call 911 for attempted murder. My mother asked me if I was going to keep using a trainer. I said hel* no - my youngest brother would happily torture me for free, why should I pay anyone?
Gator
Gator, that program sounds interesting; hope they give us the lowdown online!
Have you ever seen the personal data thingies (sorry to be so technical!) that show your workout progress? Maybe once you iron out the details of your workout routine, that would be better than paying or your own assassin. :hat:
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 07:41 PM
I find the resemblance amazing, myself. But I know it is unlikely, as hello, he has money. Why would she not go for the gold? But...the resemblance...
Gee, if you just look at the OC property website and get a gander at his apartment/condo and the value, you'd think she'd want to get the hell out of G&C's place and move in and court JP. Then when their marriage cracked up, she could sue for half of his half.
javahog
03-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Java! Are you home???? We're coming over. :-) Ca is just beautiful! I never saw San Diego though. I saw Salinas, San Fran and Monterey. Unreal!
I couldn't afford to live in California. Actually I couldn't afford a hut in California. The sea is so blue and so beautiful. I'd love to live there. WOW! What a world!
So put on the Cawffee Jav!:hat:
Ha! You are always welcome in my hut, Danagher! And these days, nobody can afford to live in California! San Diego is nice, my bff went to grad school down there...much better than LA (no offense to Angelinos....)
javahog
03-09-2009, 08:00 PM
Oh my gawd-thats barbaric. I hope those 40 lashes aren't caneing-she wont survive that. Prolly not or they would have said caneing. Well Liar should count her blessings she does not live there-she would have been executed by prolly age 18? MOO
Sorry it's spelled caning-DH just reminded me only done in Singapore
May not survive this anyway...they use hide whips there for this.
The punishments for various crimes differ according to local interpretation of sharia law. In Saudi, it can be death, or as little as 1 year in prison (based on an Indonesian woman who was found to be pregnant, was sentenced to death, and then her embassy arranged an appeal, and no doubt, pressure...)
Gatordog
03-09-2009, 08:30 PM
May not survive this anyway...they use hide whips there for this.
The punishments for various crimes differ according to local interpretation of sharia law. In Saudi, it can be death, or as little as 1 year in prison (based on an Indonesian woman who was found to be pregnant, was sentenced to death, and then her embassy arranged an appeal, and no doubt, pressure...)
Yes, in Saudi a woman who get raped brings disgrace to her family. She can go to jail or worse, and the perp rarely gets in any trouble other than maybe paying some money to the father.
Gator
Gatordog
03-09-2009, 08:43 PM
Gator, that program sounds interesting; hope they give us the lowdown online!
Have you ever seen the personal data thingies (sorry to be so technical!) that show your workout progress? Maybe once you iron out the details of your workout routine, that would be better than paying or your own assassin. :hat:
http://www.wftv.com/news/18890190/detail.html
Report on Prosecutors asking for hearing on how Baez is getting paid.
Gator
Gatordog
03-09-2009, 08:49 PM
Thank you doll. ;) Ya know I wanted to go to LA just to see the Simpson residences. Didn't they knock his house down? I'm such the porch monkey. (Nosey) :hat:
:seeya: Hi nawny.
Did you see the list of commisary items the Liar has ordered? Gee if I go to the Marquis de Sade trainer and lose weight, maybe I should send my old pants to the Liar. I'll send her one of my Lane Bryant catalogs too, just for fun. ;) She has candy bars, chips, beef sticks, all sorts of stuff and red lipstick. I guess you can put lipstick on a pig.
Gator
deputydi
03-09-2009, 08:51 PM
HAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Scream laffin!!!!
OH NO! No worries ma, they drive better than boys! That's why their insurance is lower. (That's what Poppa does for a living, he is an Insurance Broker..)
We know all about boys. Trust that! :eek: And, driving lessons gets you a break on car insurance, as do alarms and garages. FYI don't buy red cars. They cost more to insure. Accident ratio is higher, believe it or not.
Hey OS, are you in NY, really? I get confused with you chics all over the map!
and, people driving red cars are ticketed more. This is statistically a fact believe it or not.
lorettalockhorn
03-09-2009, 09:39 PM
Good points Amy! The probability that LE will find out the password anyway, is what this is all about. Forensics can tell what password is used, was used and they knew this. So if it was changed by someone else, they actually think this frittata story is believable.. So they stupidly tell LE that they know the password was changed. THEN THEY GO TELL THEM THEY KNOW THE PASSWORD IS TIMER55.
I think initially Cindy knew Casey did something awful and she had lose lips. She is back peddling now.
So, if someone changes a password you use ESP to learn what it is???? Casey changed it IMO ,, all day long! She's got ca ca for brains thinking someone will believe Zanny did it, or Jesse did it.
:no:
This is what I've been wondering all along. How did Zani notify Casey that the PW had changed? Or did Casey just find out when she tried to log in to her acct(s)? And if these messages were left on the public part of the myspace or whatever, wouldn't someone else have seen them? And since they didn't, doesn't that mean that Casey had to learn the PW to get the messages? When/how did Zani give her the new password? And how did Zani get Casey's old PW to be able to change it?
So many questions. So little time.
Brainstorm
03-09-2009, 10:30 PM
:seeya: Hi nawny.
Did you see the list of commisary items the Liar has ordered? Gee if I go to the Marquis de Sade trainer and lose weight, maybe I should send my old pants to the Liar. I'll send her one of my Lane Bryant catalogs too, just for fun. ;) She has candy bars, chips, beef sticks, all sorts of stuff and red lipstick. I guess you can put lipstick on a pig.
Gator LMAO!!!Maybe she'll get FAT.Serve her right,IMO.Blow up like a balloon.Someone should take a balloon,paint some BIG red lips on it and send it to her.Ah,go ahead and give her some eyes,ears too..........
dont forget to add a tattoo on the back.It should say "Moooooo"and "Oink,Oink"
Hi Gator!! :)
LOL!! Marquis de Sade trainor... rotfl!! Yes you can put lip stick on a pig but, it's still a ppppppig ;)
Are we bad? :punch:yeh, but an eye for an eye,IMO......, so a pig deserves to be the butt of jokes.
One2Snoop
03-09-2009, 11:22 PM
Whats prariechicken? Never heard anything bout what was in the letter. "If" that were true G is a lost cause. Oh and C said she was Mother of the Year,not daughter of the Year :tongue:
It's a blog site I posted yesterday because of the timeline where she mentioned when Casey and Ricardo Morales met. Google's led me to all sorts of interesting places LOL. :chicken:
One2Snoop
03-09-2009, 11:40 PM
Come back snoop ~ I like what the 'owner' of the PC blog says, don't you?
Sounds like one of us.
Also interesting thing that Shelly aka Momtective is from webslueths, dontchathink?
You trying to get me riled up or what? http://i40.tinypic.com/xnet5c.gif
http://i44.tinypic.com/34htp8o.gif Don't get me started! http://i42.tinypic.com/6y172c.jpg
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 12:11 AM
Yeah, did you heard her tonite, she's saying they are 'armchair' detectives trying to help (OH ?WTH ?) solve cases...................only NG would give her the 15 min of fame...:rolleyes:
with pedophiles leading the way!!! :punch: :biggrin:
It was bad enough forcing myself to watch NG but the combo of NG and WS in the same sentence makes me http://i43.tinypic.com/wv1ow2.gif
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 12:25 AM
It's was bad enough forcing myself to watch NG but the combo of NG and WS in the same sentence makes me http://i43.tinypic.com/wv1ow2.gif
Didn't watch NG tonight. Did I miss anything?
So I guess this video pirating may have backfired on momtective; some legal pundits are saying that the particular video that was being shown over the weekend humanizes Casey and shows what a good mother she was.
(I'll beg to differ and insist that it proves what a fake she is.)
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 12:39 AM
Didn't watch NG tonight. Did I miss anything?
So I guess this video pirating may have backfired on momtective; some legal pundits are saying that the particular video that was being shown over the weekend humanizes Casey and shows what a good mother she was.
(I'll beg to differ and insist that it proves what a fake she is.)
No you didn't miss anything on NG, IMO.
ITA with you regarding how it shows what a fake she is.
Please forgive me for the rest of my babble tonight - I'm freaking ready to tear my hair out - teens! arrrrghhhh!!!!! :cuss:
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 01:01 AM
Nancy feels it's not going to make a schitt of difference. I agree with you, and since she has shown her true colors by partying about etc, I wouldn't believe any 'loving mom' video. Duct tape. Chloroform. Driving around with body in trunk...Hello.
She's got court on Friday. Looking forward to seeing her use of her new items, courtesy of the SOB's who are sending her fricken $$$$$. Nancy was PMSing again tonite, blowing everyone off left and right, talkin over them, or just plain cutting them off. It was good for a laugh...a little levity, ya know. LOL!
I am so tired, darlin, think it's time for ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz land. Sweet dreams, I look forward to bashing (oops, I mean posting) tommorrow! I'm sending over really nice weather, hope you get it in time for sunrise!
Ciao! :rose:
LOL I flove your recap! I'll check out the rerun during the Forensic Files commercials.
We've had beautiful days here and warm, but way to windy to get out and do much. All I did today was pick up some deadfall and windfall. Supposed to be nice again tomorrow, but stormy in the afternoon and tomorrow night. Seems like it's tornado season twelve months out of the year.
Sweet dreams! :seeya:
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 01:03 AM
No you didn't miss anything on NG, IMO.
ITA with you regarding how it shows what a fake she is.
Please forgive me for the rest of my babble tonight - I'm freaking ready to tear my hair out - teens! arrrrghhhh!!!!! :cuss:
LMAO Just switched over to hear her ranting introduction. CHA CHINGGGGGG!!!!!! Love it when she says that. :hat:
We'll love you when you're bald. But it won't happen or most of us here would be bald too! :seeya:
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 01:13 AM
Snoop! You do not tear Your hair out...You tear Their hair out! Always works for me!!! ;)
Take a deep breath....................
Nite, chicklets......<<<<.hugs>>>>
LMAO Just switched over to hear her ranting introduction. CHA CHINGGGGGG!!!!!! Love it when she says that. :hat:
We'll love you when you're bald. But it won't happen or most of us here would be bald too! :seeya:
Off topic - If there's any lesson to be learned here tonight, keep your daughters and granddaughters as far away as you can with anyone involved in law enforcement. Breaking up is so hard to do but it shouldn't cost you your life savings because a cop has it in for you! I'm f'ing pissed. :cuss: :flamemad:
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 01:30 AM
From momtective 3/6/09:
...they will remain public in an attempt to prevent them from being sold and the proceeds being funneled into Casey Anthony’s defense fund....
http://momtective.wordpress.com/2009/03/06/my-response-to-the-caylee-anthony-videos-on-my-youtube/
and 3/10/09:
...I did not download these videos to prevent them from being sold...
http://momtective.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/in-response-to-jvm/
javahog
03-10-2009, 01:48 AM
Anyone else not believe Casey about how she got Baez as her lawyer? Since she didn't call mommy and daddy for help, who'd she call?
If they find out about who's paying the bills pending selling something, and its related to the case, is it admissible from this hearing?
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 02:07 AM
Anyone else not believe Casey about how she got Baez as her lawyer? Since she didn't call mommy and daddy for help, who'd she call?
If they find out about who's paying the bills pending selling something, and its related to the case, is it admissible from this hearing?
The story has always been she got Baez's name from"her roommates at the dorm" and George wasn't happy with it. I've not heard anything different. Not sure about the rest of your question.
Anyone else know???? :shrug:
Native Alien
03-10-2009, 04:03 AM
The story has always been she got Baez's name from"her roommates at the dorm" and George wasn't happy with it. I've not heard anything different. Not sure about the rest of your question.
Anyone else know???? :shrug:
Same story I have heard repeated several times. She asked someone that was in the holding tank with her and they recommended him and I agree with you that George isn't happy about him being her lawyer.
Yes it is admissible, in both the criminal and civil trials if ZFG can win her civil trial. I am wondering if that didn't play into the state's asking for this information. The fact that they can prove that Casey made deals for money will allow the civil judge to attach that money and if ZFG wins her civil case she gets first dibs on it.
Brainstorm
03-10-2009, 08:47 AM
Only that she LOVES attention and can put on a s/h/i/t/faced grin for the camera,IMO.
lighthousedazy
03-10-2009, 10:49 AM
Sorry I didn't pass on the recap (you know you wanted to watch NG anywho :tongue:) I was posting last night, and getting more and more tired..closed my eyes for a sec and almost fell asleep... ah so you noticed Shelly talking out of the side of her mouth, eh? Well either she did download to prevent them or not...she should make up her fricken mind...at the time, IMO, she just downloaded them just to Have 'em.
It's true, I'm sure there are lovely pictures of every single murderer and serial killer with 'loved ones', smiling away. Dahmer, Bundy, Ramirez, Davis, BTK, Hernandez Bros..we could go on and on. They hide the face of Evil well. Though, I'm sure her defense will try to present them to the jury in a 'loving' light :rolleyes:.but the evidence doesn't lie.I truly believe what Mark Klaas said on NG. These "loving" videos will be like a drop of water in the desert ending the drought and causing a lush green garden. I think this probably is the only good thing put out about caysee. jmo
joekuhl79
03-10-2009, 11:24 AM
Thanks for that link Gator. Did anyone notice Lazzaro's handwriting? You can tell a lot from handwriting. What's he hiding from?
Sometimes sloppy writing is just sloppy writing!
I'm curious as to what George wrote in his 'suicide note' that Bozo BS Baez wants so badly to keep hidden.
javahog
03-10-2009, 11:31 AM
Last night I was watching NG shoot her opinions about the new videos showing Casey performing for the camera while she played with Caylee. Those videos are at least a year old. She doesn't think they will matter on the side of the defense and neither do I.
Loving mothers do a lot more than perform circus acts on the living room floor with their babies. They work, keep house, read to their kids, bath, dress and feed them and a thousand other things. They don't go dirty dancing at Fusion. These tapes are moot. :cuss: They don't prove anything.
Hey OS, don't forget the Zapala's!
When I see those videos, they just remind me that Caylee was physically very small and completely dependent for protection.
IMO, these videos will actually hurt her. Same creepy feeling as when you'd see happy photos of Scott and Lacy...
javahog
03-10-2009, 11:34 AM
Sometimes sloppy writing is just sloppy writing!
I'm curious as to what George wrote in his 'suicide note' that Bozo BS Baez wants so badly to keep hidden.
I'm with you on that. Normally, I'd say, oooh, private...but it was what? 8 pages? Chances are something interesting is in there, and the fact they want to smoosh it pretty much confirms it...
It would be pretty sweet if George planned on leaving a big fat revelation for someone else to clean up, you know?
javahog
03-10-2009, 11:37 AM
It's a blog site I posted yesterday because of the timeline where she mentioned when Casey and Ricardo Morales met. Google's led me to all sorts of interesting places LOL. :chicken:
See? My seeming random questions serve a good purpose!
beachbum
03-10-2009, 12:25 PM
When I see those videos, they just remind me that Caylee was physically very small and completely dependent for protection.
IMO, these videos will actually hurt her. Same creepy feeling as when you'd see happy photos of Scott and Lacy...
Caylee trusted her mom to take care of her not murder her. Can you just imagine Sweet little innocent Caylee looking into Casey's eyes for the last time-I hope that is a look that Casey will be haunted with 4-ever.
browneyes106
03-10-2009, 03:08 PM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0305/18862057.pdf
She had so many people fooled. I thought these texts between Amy and others were amusing...they felt like a**wipes over their being hoodwinked by her personality..unfortunately, it wasn't their fault, she conned them. They wanted the 'old' Casey back.
I liked page 4943.....scroll through.....
I have been in the same position as Amy, Ricardo and Casey's other friends. I have been friends with people that are neglectful parents and I found recently that an old friend of mine lost custody of her daughter because her of DUI arrests and other issues.
Ahhhhhhhhhh meatloaf and mashed taters.........comfort food..............mmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! Mine don't like it, but I do!
I have an excellent Italian Meatloaf receipe. I will put it on the other topic thread. It's nice and fattening!
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 05:12 PM
Now, remind us again, where is the evidence that Casey ever suffered from PPD? Now who is this man who killed Caylee? Is Zani a tranny?
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 05:21 PM
Now, remind us again, where is the evidence that Casey ever suffered from PPD? Now who is this man who killed Caylee? Is Zani a tranny?
http://i44.tinypic.com/971q8p.jpg
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 05:52 PM
See? My seeming random questions serve a good purpose!
:beer:
One2Snoop
03-10-2009, 05:53 PM
It doesn't matter....it's about the jury. The jury is key. imo
Do you live in Florida?
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 05:55 PM
It doesn't matter....it's about the jury. The jury is key. imo
Florida keys?
Do you really think that either the prosecution or the defense wants anyone as stupid as you try to portray on the jury? Or is playing up the lesbian aspect just your personal pipe/wet dream?
Sheesh
javahog
03-10-2009, 06:05 PM
Do you live in Florida?
Note to self: don't visit Florida...
javahog
03-10-2009, 06:07 PM
Florida keys?
Do you really think that either the prosecution or the defense wants anyone as stupid as you try to portray on the jury? Or is playing up the lesbian aspect just your personal pipe/wet dream?
Sheesh
I wonder how one goes about achieving an all-lesbian jury pool? Sounds like a Star Trek episode...
javahog
03-10-2009, 06:12 PM
http://www.wesh.com/news/18889797/detail.html
javahog
03-10-2009, 06:16 PM
Baez is claiming that the motion to find to find out where his filthy lucre is coming from is based on the prosecution trying to distract people from the fact they videotaped him meeting with Casey.
Maybe there is a video of the Lady and the Tramp moment, eh?
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 07:06 PM
Baez is claiming that the motion to find to find out where his filthy lucre is coming from is based on the prosecution trying to distract people from the fact they videotaped him meeting with Casey.
Maybe there is a video of the Lady and the Tramp moment, eh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BLQr_pnpaA&NR=1
javahog
03-10-2009, 07:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BLQr_pnpaA&NR=1
In DUTCH?! lol
lorettalockhorn
03-10-2009, 07:10 PM
In DUTCH?! lol
LMAO The one that I was trying to embed was in Italian! :hat:
javahog
03-10-2009, 10:19 PM
Okay, so on NG tonight, as I ran by the tv...does NG think Casey has a licensing fee for the Caylee Sunshine doll?!
javahog
03-10-2009, 11:42 PM
Okay, so Casey and Jose were taped "crying together" after Caylee was found. Not identified, mind you, but found. No crying over Plan Charred Park or the Mickey Dress Find, right? Guess this means Jose knew where Caylee had been dumped, too? Wow.
If they taped this, they taped other stuff too. I bet they have all kinds of misconduct on tape, like maybe the funeral issue...Jose was meeting with her in classrooms with security cameras...
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18901068/detail.html
Whats prariechicken? Never heard anything bout what was in the letter. "If" that were true G is a lost cause. Oh and C said she was Mother of the Year,not daughter of the Year :tongue:
ROFLMAO!!!!
I also hadn't heard any excerpts from George's note. I don't tune in much right now to NG and the others. Work seems to interfere--and then, gotta sleep some, too!!!!
Didn't watch NG tonight. Did I miss anything?
So I guess this video pirating may have backfired on momtective; some legal pundits are saying that the particular video that was being shown over the weekend humanizes Casey and shows what a good mother she was.
(I'll beg to differ and insist that it proves what a fake she is.)
And the part of the video that I saw wasn't recent (like in June of '08) Caylee seemed much younger on the one I saw than she was on the "You tired PaPa?" video on June 15. So, things very well could have changed in Casey's feelings about Caylee from the time that video was taken.
From momtective 3/6/09:
...they will remain public in an attempt to prevent them from being sold and the proceeds being funneled into Casey Anthony’s defense fund....
http://momtective.wordpress.com/2009/03/06/my-response-to-the-caylee-anthony-videos-on-my-youtube/
and 3/10/09:
...I did not download these videos to prevent them from being sold...
http://momtective.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/in-response-to-jvm/
Seems like another person who needs to get her stories straight, make up one and stick to it. I guess the problem is, when you make up stories, you do have to change them as circumstances (or evidence) prove the other versions aren't just quite right.
A perfect analogy, don't you think. Too little , too late.
Yesterday AM, A&E had on the Polly Klass story. It was heartbreaking to watch, especially after not watching/seeing the story for so long.
He went through hell, (Mark), truly a victim, unlike that piece of crap sitting in jail eating bon bons and goodies.
When someone is innocent, they would tell everyone, anyone, they would even try shouting from rooftops at the injustice of being a PO...not a peep out of Scott Peterson or Casey....what does that say?
That they didn't want to be known as LIARS, which they surely would be if they hollered their innocence. :biggrin:
I think that the defense will go with the blame the man defense. They will insinuate that a guy killed Caylee (boyfriend or other) and that Casey is a " victim" . The key to the case for the defense will be to get some feminist jurors or borderline if not lesbian women on the panel. This will help Casey sell the version that a " man" killed Caylee and it will be actually good for them when the borderline lesbian ,dancing with other women photos that Casey is shown in is revealed . Even if she is found guilty of something it will likely be a " manslaughter" because the jury might even buy a " post partum" or depression defense of some type of " accident" so they can let her go outright or with a sweetheart Mary Winkler type of conviction where she realistically gets off really light. It must be a defense lawyers dream case. imo
I must have been asleep longer than I tho't. When did a man come into the pic? There hasn't been any talk about a man, just Zanny the Nanny (and her sister if they go with scenario in Jay Blanchard park.)
Even the defense has to be smart enough to figure out that PPD doesn't rear its ugly head after 2 1/2 years--it would take 2 seconds for an expert to debunk that. "Depression" doesn't get ya off the hook, either. I think most women, feminist or lesbian or not--would NOT give this POS a break on anything.
The only way this could even compare to Mary Winkler type of conviction would be if Caylee was abusing her mom, making her wear those high heels and dressing in flags and partying @ fusion---and I just don't think Caylee was up to that.
Avad1228
03-11-2009, 09:29 AM
I still think they will continue with the nanny story. There is still no real evidence linking Casey to the grave as far as I know. They can prove stuff came from Anthony house but can they link Casey? A Jury I think may not be the way to go since I cant think of anywhere in this state she could get an unbiased jury pool. I am amazed that she has not broken yet. I guess she really thinks if she says nothing she will get off and stranger things have happened. If she did get off there is no rock big enough for her to crawl under. Maybe she will write a book called "if I did kill my daughter" and put out a reward to find "the real killer".
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 09:43 AM
Now, remind us again, where is the evidence that Casey ever suffered from PPD? Now who is this man who killed Caylee? Is Zani a tranny?
Zanni the tranny nanny! That's why they can't find 'her'...she's a man, baby!
Ughh...I hope this doesn't give the defense any ideas...
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 09:47 AM
I think that the defense will go with the blame the man defense. They will insinuate that a guy killed Caylee (boyfriend or other) and that Casey is a " victim" . The key to the case for the defense will be to get some feminist jurors or borderline if not lesbian women on the panel. This will help Casey sell the version that a " man" killed Caylee and it will be actually good for them when the borderline lesbian ,dancing with other women photos that Casey is shown in is revealed . Even if she is found guilty of something it will likely be a " manslaughter" because the jury might even buy a " post partum" or depression defense of some type of " accident" so they can let her go outright or with a sweetheart Mary Winkler type of conviction where she realistically gets off really light. It must be a defense lawyers dream case. imo
This is just SO out there!
While I agree that she may get a lesser conviction if LE has no hard evidence (fingerprint on the duct tape, etc), it will be because of that.
I'm curious as to what so brutally jaded you...
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 09:51 AM
I wonder how one goes about achieving an all-lesbian jury pool? Sounds like a Star Trek episode...
I saw that episode...it was pretty good!
Hah hah: "...to boldly go where no man has gone before"! It works so perfectly!
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 10:43 AM
Video shows Casey Anthony, attorney meeting the day remains were found
Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:25 AM EDT, March 11, 2009
The Orlando Sentinel has learned Casey Anthony's attorney appeared to cry and wipe his eyes while meeting with her on Dec. 11 at the jail - the day the remains of a small child were found near the Anthony home.
The remains were later identified as those of Anthony's missing daughter, 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.
Casey Anthony, however, seemed angry and had her arms crossed and looked away during the meeting, a source told the Sentinel.
The Orange County Sheriff's Office acknowledged a video tape exists.
"There is a video," spokesman Deputy Carlos Padilla said. "Baez has referenced that video in his motions."
Orange County Jail spokesman Allen Moore confirmed that many areas of the jail are under constant video surveillance, including areas where Baez could meet with Anthony such as small interview rooms or the classroom.
Moore said the surveillance is visual only and no audio is collected in order to respect attorney-client privilege.
Attorneys would not meet with their clients in the medical clinic, Moore said.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jail-video-031109,0,937095.story
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 10:49 AM
Casey Claims Innocence In Sworn Affidavit
Posted: 5:17 pm EDT March 10, 2009Updated: 5:39 am EDT March 11, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony and her attorney Jose Baez responded to questions Tuesday regarding where his team of high profile attorneys is getting the money to defend their client.
Casey submitted a sworn affidavit (Read Sworn Affidavit) with seven points saying that Jose Baez does not have the right to sell her story or that of Caylee Anthony's. She added in her own handwriting. Writing, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I did not commit."
VIDEO REPORT: Casey Signs Affidavit
DOCUMENT: Casey's Sworn Affidavit
At the link...
Jose Baez entered a motion to strike the prosecution's request to look into a conflict of interest. He denies the allegation and says the prosecution is trying to embarrass him. Baez says the prosecution has no evidence of a conflict of interest.
HEARING MAY REVEAL SOURCE OF DEFENSE TEAM FUNDING
Prosecutors requested a special hearing to find out where the money is coming from, and they have several money-related questions for Anthony's lead defense attorney.
Prosecutors want Judge Stan Strickland to find out what financial agreements are behind the hiring of high profile, nationally known defense expert Linda Kenney Baden and pathologist Henry Lee.
The state filed a motion, (Read Motion) Monday afternoon, saying eight different lawyers and numerous experts have been hired by Casey Anthony. The motion outlines exactly what prosecutors are hoping the judge will find out. Where is the money coming from?
There is a concern that Baez is managing her only assets, which include photos and videos of Caylee, for the wrong reasons.
Prosecutors are worried Anthony could ask for a new trial, arguing that Baez steered her in the wrong direction for the wrong reasons.
For example, Casey did not go from pauper to princess before her arrest. She's in no position to be managing her only assets, photos and videos of Caylee, so her defense attorney Jose Baez must be doing it.
"If she says, 'I'm aware of that. I'm aware there might be some conflict there, I don't believe there is but if there is, I waive that conflict.' End of story," said WFTV Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer.
Prosecutors would insist she do it in writing. There have been concerns that Baez might steer the case toward a trial because it would make a more dramatic story. But as Casey stated in past documents, she is willing to do whatever it takes to defend herself and is determined not to let someone trick her into a confession.
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http://www.wftv.com/news/18900881/detail.html#-
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 11:46 AM
That video is powerful. Here again Liar cant even fake an appropriate response. She's not even that good at being sociopathic. Did she not ever have a good role model for faking tears and empathy? Here we have a man who never met the child wiping tears. Then we have Liar who of course is angry cuz they found Caylee. Speaks volumes in my opine. I think Bozo knew it was Caylee before confirmation simply due to the close proximity to the house. Of course we all know how Liar knew. MOO
This is a little odd...so, when Liar first hears that LE has found 'a body'...due to the location, she KNOWS it's Caylee...she hyperventilates, is upset, presumably shedding tears and whatnot because she knows she's got a major problem with her story/alibi.
When Bozo BS Baez finally gets to her, he's tearing up and wiping his eyes. Why? Should we presume that he assumes based on the location, and the odds of it being someone else?
Also, by the time he gets there, Liar is pissed. At what? At who? She can't be pissed at LE or anyone that found the body...what did she expect? That no one would look for a body? That because she claimed Caylee was kidnapped, they'd have to ONLY look for a live kid? Hmmm...that sounds familiar. The only person she should be pissed at then is herself for getting herself in this position.
If she's pissed at Jose, that would mean he 'knows' for a fact. But Liar does not seem the type to come clean to ANYONE.
I wonder how one goes about achieving an all-lesbian jury pool? Sounds like a Star Trek episode...
I've read of many confused men in Miami that after being homosexual for much of their life, became aware that they are sexually attracted to women. They now think of themselves as Lesbians.
NMurphy02
03-11-2009, 12:56 PM
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony and her attorney Jose Baez responded to questions Tuesday regarding where his team of high profile attorneys is getting the money to defend their client.
Casey submitted a sworn affidavit (Read Sworn Affidavit) with seven points saying that Jose Baez does not have the right to sell her story or that of Caylee Anthony's. She added in her own handwriting. Writing, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I did not commit."
If Casey swears to it, it must be a lie. Give me a break. I don't care what she 'swore to' she's a liar!
javahog
03-11-2009, 01:04 PM
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony and her attorney Jose Baez responded to questions Tuesday regarding where his team of high profile attorneys is getting the money to defend their client.
Casey submitted a sworn affidavit (Read Sworn Affidavit) with seven points saying that Jose Baez does not have the right to sell her story or that of Caylee Anthony's. She added in her own handwriting. Writing, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I did not commit."
If Casey swears to it, it must be a lie. Give me a break. I don't care what she 'swore to' she's a liar!
Well, now they can call her to the stand, huh? Of course, she can still take the fifth when she gets there, but they can ask her about it, lol! Do we think she can stay silent on the stand in front of an audience? I don't think so. Her tongue has a tan.
And what is Baez thinking? He is letting her block off all avenues of defense, like say, accident? Unless the Brainiac is forcing him to let her do this, like the speech before the memorial, thinking she is smarter than LE. I swear, if that's it, Brainiac will insist on taking the stand. Pass the popcorn!
NMurphy02
03-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Pass the popcorn!
Now that's funny!:beer:
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 01:39 PM
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony and her attorney Jose Baez responded to questions Tuesday regarding where his team of high profile attorneys is getting the money to defend their client.
Casey submitted a sworn affidavit (Read Sworn Affidavit) with seven points saying that Jose Baez does not have the right to sell her story or that of Caylee Anthony's. She added in her own handwriting. Writing, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I did not commit."
If Casey swears to it, it must be a lie. Give me a break. I don't care what she 'swore to' she's a liar!
The allusion to a plea agreement is what I find most interesting here; all that we know of is the limited immunity option from very early on in the investigation that Casey passed on. Did she just misspeak here? And if she did, why did Baez let it slip in a sworn affadavit?
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 01:50 PM
What confuses me is when she is on the stand for civil and if she takes the fifth she already stated this Zanny was not the Nanny when LE showed her a pic. So if she refuses to even answer that???? Lordy this has me so confused. The only thing i can come up with is if she confirms in Civil no this is not Zanny then she is confirming in court that Zanny does exist? Which could hurt her in the murder trial??? I would luv to see Zaneida's Lawyer just pound at her on the stand and let her true self shine thru. Too bad civil could not be televised. MOO
If Casey takes the fifth, she'll have to drop her countersuit. (Still trying to figure out why Baez ever filed one to begin with knowing that she would be subject to "the sword and the shield" rule. I think she will be forced to drop her action against ZFG.
Wow-now if Lee is compelled by the court to answer those questions and refuses-would that mean move over Liar cuz brother lee is moving in?
I think Lee will answer that he doesn't know who Caylee's father is/was. :shrug:
javahog
03-11-2009, 01:53 PM
The allusion to a plea agreement is what I find most interesting here; all that we know of is the limited immunity option from very early on in the investigation that Casey passed on. Did she just misspeak here? And if she did, why did Baez let it slip in a sworn affadavit?
I am shocked by this handwritten note. I cannot come up with an explanation of what JB was thinking for so many reasons...
or...is he telling her things that are not true and getting her riled up? Is this an example of what the SA is concerned about? If HE had been telling her there was a "deal" being offered but she had to admit to something he knew she would not admit to, he sure couldn't stop her from writing her note, now, could he?
Something is wrong in this attorney/client relationship, imo.
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 01:55 PM
I hate to assist her in any way, but I honestly feel that they should not allow the civil trial to go forward until after the murder trial, as it could compromise her defense...I know that ZG has the right to get her good name back, but when compared to a murder trial...bad for her, but it is less serious.
And no way Casey can be quiet on the stand, imo...civil can't be televised?
Has there been a court date set? If the civil trial doesn't go forward, wouldn't ZFG have the right to up the amount that she's suing for considerably?
I think she has every right to want to be publicly exonerated. Not only is there the uncanny coincidences (there's no such thing as a coincidence!) with Morgan's ZFG, but Cindy's big yap going on and on and on about Zani The Nanny up until the time that Caylee was found and identified.
javahog
03-11-2009, 01:58 PM
Has there been a court date set? If the civil trial doesn't go forward, wouldn't ZFG have the right to up the amount that she's suing for considerably?
I think she has every right to want to be publicly exonerated. Not only is there the uncanny coincidences (there's no such thing as a coincidence!) with Morgan's ZFG, but Cindy's big yap going on and on and on about Zani The Nanny up until the time that Caylee was found and identified.
I've never seen a situation like this before, with concurrent discovery going on.
Since Casey says that is not THE ZFG...why doesn't JB just take some of the ill-gotten gains and pay the woman? That would end the whole problem, wouldn't it? Or does he think he needs to keep the door open that she IS the nanny?
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 02:01 PM
I am shocked by this handwritten note. I cannot come up with an explanation of what JB was thinking for so many reasons...
or...is he telling her things that are not true and getting her riled up? Is this an example of what the SA is concerned about? If HE had been telling her there was a "deal" being offered but she had to admit to something he knew she would not admit to, he sure couldn't stop her from writing her note, now, could he?
Something is wrong in this attorney/client relationship, imo.
I can't imagine why Baez would allow himself to act in such a way considering how much scrutiny he is under as to tell Casey there's a phony deal on the table. And I can't imagine that Casey wouldn't want to hear it straight from the horse's mouth or see it in writing, or discuss it with any of her other attorneys.
Had to laugh when Baez said something very recently about his conduct with regard to the prosecution's request for the source of the defense funds. Does he really, really think that we've forgotten about the hugging incidents at the jail? And despite the fact that he knows that there is no expectation of privacy in lock up, he has the gall to carp about being video taped while crying. PUHLEEZ
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 02:02 PM
I've never seen a situation like this before, with concurrent discovery going on.
Since Casey says that is not THE ZFG...why doesn't JB just take some of the ill-gotten gains and pay the woman? That would end the whole problem, wouldn't it? Or does he think he needs to keep the door open that she IS the nanny?
LOL He knows she's not the nanny. And neither is anyone else. Otherwise, ZFG would be listed as the Number One Witness for the Defense.
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 02:07 PM
That would be Lee's best response and i had not thought of that. Judging from his depo response in my opine he does know or has a pretty good idea. I guess in the end what the hay does it matter who Caylee's father is-pertaining only to the trail. That is something we may never know. In my opine i think Liar made up the story about the father dying simply cuz she was doing so much serial sleeping she is not sure herself. She may have a few in mind.... Something that confused me a bit on that was why would she not name a father in order to obtain monies. On the flip side of that i have concluded she was better off sticking with the deceased father. Had their been a dad contributing with $ it would have made some complications perhaps? Especially with her using Caylee as a meal ticket and leverage with her parents. MOO
Not naming Caylee's father (from the beginning) was probably a combination of selfishness and simply not knowing. And it really did work for the whole family. It gave G&C leverage and made it so they didn't have to share Caylee with anyone other than Casey. And Caylee was Casey's meal ticket.
For Caylee's father to become known at this point would leave all the sycophANThonys liable to civil action; Casey for the murder, and G&C for failure to protect. I would love to see her father step up in the name of justice for Caylee.
javahog
03-11-2009, 02:25 PM
LOL He knows she's not the nanny. And neither is anyone else. Otherwise, ZFG would be listed as the Number One Witness for the Defense.
I wonder why ZFG isn't listed even though they haven't "found" her yet...it would be a good showman device...
Nice. Jose shed more tears for Caylee than her mom. Or was that for his career? In either case, nice to know it made her mad...no Swizzlers for him!
And...how'd he know it was Caylee?
I guess this explains why Bozo doesn't want the tape to be released.
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 02:37 PM
Sounds like the hyena is going back to the stand...
http://www.wesh.com/news/18906812/detail.html
Attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez filed a motion Wednesday to compel Lee Anthony, brother of Casey Anthony, to answer some tough questions he dodged during his deposition 10 days ago.
Gonzalez is suing for defamation because, she said, her reputation was ruined when Casey Anthony, who is charged with murder in her daughter Caylee's death, used her name as the nanny who kidnapped Caylee.
Among the questions Gonzalez's team is trying to get Lee Anthony to answer is who the father of Caylee is and if he thinks his sister, Casey Anthony, had anything to do with his niece's slaying.
I wonder if he thinks it is going to be as funny and amusing to him as the first time.
Gator
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 02:46 PM
Not naming Caylee's father (from the beginning) was probably a combination of selfishness and simply not knowing. And it really did work for the whole family. It gave G&C leverage and made it so they didn't have to share Caylee with anyone other than Casey. And Caylee was Casey's meal ticket.
For Caylee's father to become known at this point would leave all the sycophANThonys liable to civil action; Casey for the murder, and G&C for failure to protect. I would love to see her father step up in the name of justice for Caylee.
I don't think George is every going to step up and do the right thing for Caylee. I'm not expecting him to look for the death penalty for his daughter, but I would think that he would want to see her own up to her actions, take a plea and serve her time.
There have been so many people put in the unfortunate position of having a child in their family murdered and they have handled it with grace and dignity regardless of their station in life. They have stood by their child, grieving and yet being there for others when they end up in that same unfortunatel situation. If something tragic happened in my family, the last person I would want to see is George Anthony. Let Mark Klass or John Walsh lend their support, George can stay home and package up pork rinds for his daughter.
Gator
javahog
03-11-2009, 02:47 PM
Not naming Caylee's father (from the beginning) was probably a combination of selfishness and simply not knowing. And it really did work for the whole family. It gave G&C leverage and made it so they didn't have to share Caylee with anyone other than Casey. And Caylee was Casey's meal ticket.
For Caylee's father to become known at this point would leave all the sycophANThonys liable to civil action; Casey for the murder, and G&C for failure to protect. I would love to see her father step up in the name of justice for Caylee.
I would, too. Also, then Casey couldn't cash in on Caylee as easily or well, since there would be another "heir"...I think.
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Nice. Jose shed more tears for Caylee than her mom. Or was that for his career? In either case, nice to know it made her mad...no Swizzlers for him!
And...how'd he know it was Caylee?
Priceless!
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 02:51 PM
This handwritten note is awesome. I'm not a lawyer, but I think it means she can be called to the stand for cross-examination in the murder trial-she opened the door by making a statement on the case under oath. Yeah, she can take the fifth, but imagine the questions she will be taking the fifth to..."Did you kill your daughter? I am invoking my right to avoid self-incrimination." Nice. Good work, Jose.
WHY did he let that note happen????
Because he is a #1 moron. IMO
Remember the law school where he was teaching a class? Reported this morning on the news: it turns out that none of the students may be able to take the Bar Exam because it's not accredited properly. I said that a while back. Everyone attending is going to be out of luck when there is no JD license. What can you expect from a school that hires Bozo and it isn't a clown school?
Gator
javahog
03-11-2009, 02:53 PM
I know Loretta it would be a good thing. I do hate the fact that it may never be known. As long as Liar goes down which i know in my heart she will MOO.I wish there was somebody sitting on that side of the court in the name of that little girl. And i agree if G&C are going to remain in the Liar world i would luv to see them accountable as well. Will we see it??? I hold them accountable for a couple of things-enabling Liar-they had to know as she grew older that things would just get bigger?? And as they did they still excused her. The flip side is for the granddaughter they say they luv so much they had no clue who was watching her even when they suspected Liar was not working. Most people would not allow that with a family pet let alone a child. Just sickening on their part. MOO
There is somebody. Unfortunately, it is the State. I don't know about Canada, but crimes are not considered here to be against a person, but against the State, as in, the State of Florida vs. Casey Marie Anthony. It is only recently that victim's impact statements even became part of the proceedings.
But I wish there was someone sitting on the prosecution's side of the courtroom for her from the family.
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 02:57 PM
The allusion to a plea agreement is what I find most interesting here; all that we know of is the limited immunity option from very early on in the investigation that Casey passed on. Did she just misspeak here? And if she did, why did Baez let it slip in a sworn affadavit?
State's Attorney said that all that was offered was the limited immunity for the location of the body, no plea bargain or deals.
Guess Baez doesn't know the difference.
Gator
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 02:59 PM
There is somebody. Unfortunately, it is the State. I don't know about Canada, but crimes are not considered here to be against a person, but against the State, as in, the State of Florida vs. Casey Marie Anthony. It is only recently that victim's impact statements even became part of the proceedings.
But I wish there was someone sitting on the prosecution's side of the courtroom for her from the family.
When the trial starts, I am sure the people who care about Caylee will be sitting on that side. Meaning, people who are not her family. Strangers care more about that child than her own family. Maybe Cindy's brother will show up and sit there.
Gator
javahog
03-11-2009, 03:06 PM
When the trial starts, I am sure the people who care about Caylee will be sitting on that side. Meaning, people who are not her family. Strangers care more about that child than her own family. Maybe Cindy's brother will show up and sit there.
Gator
I sure saw TL in a new light after the information that he wore a wire. He sure ripped Casey one in those texts about not telling him Caylee was missing when he's someone who loved her...he sure put his money where his mouth was by wearing that wire. Nice someone who knew her put themselves out for her.
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 03:06 PM
I can't imagine why Baez would allow himself to act in such a way considering how much scrutiny he is under as to tell Casey there's a phony deal on the table. And I can't imagine that Casey wouldn't want to hear it straight from the horse's mouth or see it in writing, or discuss it with any of her other attorneys.
Had to laugh when Baez said something very recently about his conduct with regard to the prosecution's request for the source of the defense funds. Does he really, really think that we've forgotten about the hugging incidents at the jail? And despite the fact that he knows that there is no expectation of privacy in lock up, he has the gall to carp about being video taped while crying. PUHLEEZ
Talking of expectation of privacy - Mark Nejame was on the news this morning. You could see a little smirk when he talked about Baez using the excuse of expectation of privacy in his reasoning for the video to not be released. Nejame said that for 28 years he's been going on jail visits and not once did he expect not to be filmed. He said everytime he meets with a client, it's filmed and there is no expectation of privacy in jail. He said the conversation is not taped, but you know the visit is being filmed.
Gator
javahog
03-11-2009, 03:08 PM
Anyone know when there will be a hearing on the boohoo jail video? Or when we get to see it?
javahog
03-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Talking of expectation of privacy - Mark Nejame was on the news this morning. You could see a little smirk when he talked about Baez using the excuse of expectation of privacy in his reasoning for the video to not be released. Nejame said that for 28 years he's been going on jail visits and not once did he expect not to be filmed. He said everytime he meets with a client, it's filmed and there is no expectation of privacy in jail. He said the conversation is not taped, but you know the visit is being filmed.
Gator
LOL! The prosecution is taking JB to SCHOOL!
Can you believe he's teaching? The college was probably like, ooh, we scored a big case lawyer.
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 03:09 PM
I sure saw TL in a new light after the information that he wore a wire. He sure ripped Casey one in those texts about not telling him Caylee was missing when he's someone who loved her...he sure put his money where his mouth was by wearing that wire. Nice someone who knew her put themselves out for her.
And he had only met Caylee and spent just a few different occassions with her. I know his parents are sighing a big breath of relief that the relationship did not go any further than it did. Can you imagine if she had gotten pregnant again and the two sets of grandparents had to fight for the child.
Gator
lighthousedazy
03-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Because he is a #1 moron. IMO
Remember the law school where he was teaching a class? Reported this morning on the news: it turns out that none of the students may be able to take the Bar Exam because it's not accredited properly. I said that a while back. Everyone attending is going to be out of luck when there is no JD license. What can you expect from a school that hires Bozo and it isn't a clown school?
GatorWhat a waste of time for the students who probably put a lot of money into this school for tuition, books, and fees. :(
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 03:18 PM
Talking of expectation of privacy - Mark Nejame was on the news this morning. You could see a little smirk when he talked about Baez using the excuse of expectation of privacy in his reasoning for the video to not be released. Nejame said that for 28 years he's been going on jail visits and not once did he expect not to be filmed. He said everytime he meets with a client, it's filmed and there is no expectation of privacy in jail. He said the conversation is not taped, but you know the visit is being filmed.
Gator
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I just figured out why Jose was crying! He was trying to teach Casey how (without poking herself in the eye)!
deacon
03-11-2009, 03:19 PM
My idea? bozo is setting himself up to "write a book" when this is over so he is playing his client against the state in every way he can
lighthousedazy
03-11-2009, 03:21 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I just figured out why Jose was crying! He was trying to teach Casey how (without poking herself in the eye)!So funny. ROTFL :D
javahog
03-11-2009, 03:23 PM
So...this new video description and Lee's depo is making a theory crystalize in my head...
DC was sent out by CA to look over the Zone area. He found nothing. After that, they really ran with the hunt for Caylee.
When the material, first reported to be bones and toys, were found in Blanchard Park, Casey reacted not at all, Cindy and George ran right over to pick a fight, and JB did nothing, right? And that was, as we know from Lee, the last place she told the family she had seen Caylee. It makes no sense that there would be this reaction or lack thereof.
When Caylee was found but before she was identified, Casey freaked out, Geroge and Cindy rush back from California and into seclusion, and JB runs to the jail. Once there, JB meets with Casey, who seems angry with him, and he cries.
Could Casey have told at least Cindy and Jose what really happened and where she was, hence their incongruous reactions? Could they have had DC give the Zone a look-see to make sure no one could find Caylee and then they were comfortable with the hunt for Caylee and going strong with limiting the defense to ZFG? And Casey was mad at Jose for either not moving the body, or trusting that the body would not be found, thus locking in the ZFG defense?
javahog
03-11-2009, 03:31 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I just figured out why Jose was crying! He was trying to teach Casey how (without poking herself in the eye)!
Once Upon a Time in Orlando...
"Can't I use my finger?"
"No. Everyone can see that."
"So what?"
"Think of a time when a puppy died..."
"I am"
"You're not crying..."
"Yeah, big effing deal. Everything dies."
"Okay, let's try something else. Pretend your mother died..."
"Did I kill her?"
"No, just go with this. You're still not crying."
*shrug*
"She died and didn't leave you the house."
*waaaaaaaaa, booooo, waterworks*
The End
Kendu
03-11-2009, 03:51 PM
NG has the nerve to talk about someone making money from this tragedy.
Her and her network (HLN)have beat this story to death for nine months.
I've never seen a network give this much covarge to a story. Between her, Prime Time News and JVM it's damm near two hours every night.
Their the one's that profits by turning this into a nightly sopa opara. None of their ratings have ever been as high as they are now.
They have outdone GVS with the NH and Scott Peterson. It's to the point that it's a joke and more people are begaining to realize it.
At least she's seems to have got rid of her man on the inside, the phony bounty hunter, media w---e LP
javahog
03-11-2009, 03:56 PM
I've seen a ton of cases where if you flipped the genders it would be an easy slam dunk conviction . Example....If Matthew Winkler shot Mary in bed, they would call him a sociopath and he'd get death. Mary walks because of high heels? ...makes sense. Andrea Yates drowns 5 kids one by one in Texas...No murder conviction No death. If Rusty did that than they would've found a way to kill him 5 times. Every woman teacher that molests a students gets probation and no jail (unless they violated the probation) a male teacher gets about 15 years....it's a joke. It is more likely that an 11 or 12 year old boy is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law than a woman is in America today. She can go in and weep and watch her lawyer work magic because she holds all the cards....serve up some " depression" or " abuse" or whatever else...all things that no guy could get away with. Even if you get a conviction in this case, it won't be death....a man kills Caylee ( two year old girl) he's getting death. It will be lucky if the prosecution can even get a first degree murder on a woman....will likely have to settle for a " manslaughter" or some kinda female only compromised verdict. Happens all the time. Every once in a while a woman tries the " I didn't do it defense" and gets burned by the evidence and yes those moments are sweet for a guy ( ie Melanie Macguire) ....you know she had a good chance to say she did it but was " abused" and some juror would let her off because she's a woman.All in all time and time again women either get off or get a lesser sentence when a man gets death. imo
Not for the guy she killed.
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 04:09 PM
Not naming Caylee's father (from the beginning) was probably a combination of selfishness and simply not knowing. And it really did work for the whole family. It gave G&C leverage and made it so they didn't have to share Caylee with anyone other than Casey. And Caylee was Casey's meal ticket.
For Caylee's father to become known at this point would leave all the sycophANThonys liable to civil action; Casey for the murder, and G&C for failure to protect. I would love to see her father step up in the name of justice for Caylee.
Just thinking out loud at how expensive that might get with all the DNA testing they'd have to do. How many times can Maury say in a one hour episode, "You're Not The Father". I could see this going on for days LOL.
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 04:15 PM
There is somebody. Unfortunately, it is the State. I don't know about Canada, but crimes are not considered here to be against a person, but against the State, as in, the State of Florida vs. Casey Marie Anthony. It is only recently that victim's impact statements even became part of the proceedings.
But I wish there was someone sitting on the prosecution's side of the courtroom for her from the family.
Perhaps extended family?
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 04:16 PM
Hey Snoop- I posed that from the get go but then a saavy poster pointed out Maury show would prolly take a week to figure out "Who's your Daddy"
LOL! :beer: Just a week?
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 04:17 PM
So...this new video description and Lee's depo is making a theory crystalize in my head...
DC was sent out by CA to look over the Zone area. He found nothing. After that, they really ran with the hunt for Caylee.
When the material, first reported to be bones and toys, were found in Blanchard Park, Casey reacted not at all, Cindy and George ran right over to pick a fight, and JB did nothing, right? And that was, as we know from Lee, the last place she told the family she had seen Caylee. It makes no sense that there would be this reaction or lack thereof.
When Caylee was found but before she was identified, Casey freaked out, Geroge and Cindy rush back from California and into seclusion, and JB runs to the jail. Once there, JB meets with Casey, who seems angry with him, and he cries.
Could Casey have told at least Cindy and Jose what really happened and where she was, hence their incongruous reactions? Could they have had DC give the Zone a look-see to make sure no one could find Caylee and then they were comfortable with the hunt for Caylee and going strong with limiting the defense to ZFG? And Casey was mad at Jose for either not moving the body, or trusting that the body would not be found, thus locking in the ZFG defense?
Casey should have logically reacted to the JBP fiasco, exactly because that's where Caylee was "last seen". And who knows, if there had been a camera on her, maybe she would have. I've always kind of wondered if G&C acting out at the park had something to do with LP's declaration to Tim Miller that they would be rich and famous if they found Caylee in the river and could hold up her skull for the media. UGH Even though the Ants didn't support the TES searches and wouldn't provide any of Caylee's belongings, you know they probably hate Padilla's guts for taking attention away from them and their own exhaustive search for live Caylee. :rolleyes:
Don't know who, but I truly believe that someone in the Ants' camp sent D Casey to The Zone, NOT some psychic. NOT his sick daughter. NOT his Spidey Senses.
G&C had to have felt pretty secure about the ZFG defense, or they wouldn't have continued to spew about her having Caylee and those people who had her being under surveillance. (Has LE seen any of this so-called surveillance?)
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 04:19 PM
Once Upon a Time in Orlando...
"Can't I use my finger?"
"No. Everyone can see that."
"So what?"
"Think of a time when a puppy died..."
"I am"
"You're not crying..."
"Yeah, big effing deal. Everything dies."
"Okay, let's try something else. Pretend your mother died..."
"Did I kill her?"
"No, just go with this. You're still not crying."
*shrug*
"She died and didn't leave you the house."
*waaaaaaaaa, booooo, waterworks*
The End
:D:biggrin::hat:
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 04:21 PM
So...this new video description and Lee's depo is making a theory crystalize in my head...
DC was sent out by CA to look over the Zone area. He found nothing. After that, they really ran with the hunt for Caylee.
When the material, first reported to be bones and toys, were found in Blanchard Park, Casey reacted not at all, Cindy and George ran right over to pick a fight, and JB did nothing, right? And that was, as we know from Lee, the last place she told the family she had seen Caylee. It makes no sense that there would be this reaction or lack thereof.
When Caylee was found but before she was identified, Casey freaked out, Geroge and Cindy rush back from California and into seclusion, and JB runs to the jail. Once there, JB meets with Casey, who seems angry with him, and he cries.
Could Casey have told at least Cindy and Jose what really happened and where she was, hence their incongruous reactions? Could they have had DC give the Zone a look-see to make sure no one could find Caylee and then they were comfortable with the hunt for Caylee and going strong with limiting the defense to ZFG? And Casey was mad at Jose for either not moving the body, or trusting that the body would not be found, thus locking in the ZFG defense?
This all seems probable, with one exception: Liar 100% will NOT admit the truth to ANYONE. She's invested in her story, and she will not budge.
I believe that if LE had fingerprints on the duct tape, the death penalty on the table, and offered her a deal for a confession, she'd stick with her story. She really thinks she can outsmart everyone.
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 04:22 PM
You only need a couple to prevent a conviction.
A lesbian couple?
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 04:23 PM
Once Upon a Time in Orlando...
"Can't I use my finger?"
"No. Everyone can see that."
"So what?"
"Think of a time when a puppy died..."
"I am"
"You're not crying..."
"Yeah, big effing deal. Everything dies."
"Okay, let's try something else. Pretend your mother died..."
"Did I kill her?"
"No, just go with this. You're still not crying."
*shrug*
"She died and didn't leave you the house."
*waaaaaaaaa, booooo, waterworks*
The End
"Your boyfriend doesn't like you and is not coming back from his trip to New York."
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 04:25 PM
Just thinking out loud at how expensive that might get with all the DNA testing they'd have to do. How many times can Maury say in a one hour episode, "You're Not The Father". I could see this going on for days LOL.
LMAO Maury could save the state of FL a pretty penny if he would pay for the paternity testing. If only he could cough up enough money to interest the Ants.
joekuhl79
03-11-2009, 04:32 PM
I've seen a ton of cases where if you flipped the genders it would be an easy slam dunk conviction . Example....If Matthew Winkler shot Mary in bed, they would call him a sociopath and he'd get death. Mary walks because of high heels? ...makes sense. Andrea Yates drowns 5 kids one by one in Texas...No murder conviction No death. If Rusty did that than they would've found a way to kill him 5 times. Every woman teacher that molests a students gets probation and no jail (unless they violated the probation) a male teacher gets about 15 years....it's a joke. It is more likely that an 11 or 12 year old boy is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law than a woman is in America today. She can go in and weep and watch her lawyer work magic because she holds all the cards....serve up some " depression" or " abuse" or whatever else...all things that no guy could get away with. Even if you get a conviction in this case, it won't be death....a man kills Caylee ( two year old girl) he's getting death. It will be lucky if the prosecution can even get a first degree murder on a woman....will likely have to settle for a " manslaughter" or some kinda female only compromised verdict. Happens all the time. Every once in a while a woman tries the " I didn't do it defense" and gets burned by the evidence and yes those moments are sweet for a guy ( ie Melanie Macguire) ....you know she had a good chance to say she did it but was " abused" and some juror would let her off because she's a woman.All in all time and time again women either get off or get a lesser sentence when a man gets death. imo
Why I'm wasting my time responding is beyond me, because you'll never see reason. You must be a blast at parties.
I can't comment on Winkler because I am not familiar with the case.
Yates - the woman was CLEARLY mentally disturbed. Period. If it were a man in the same position, the fact that he's a man would have no bearing. Same result, same outcome.
It would seem you have some deep-seeded issues, and it would be a good idea to see a therapist or something.
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 04:51 PM
snip...
In a motion filed Tuesday, Casey Anthony said her attorney, Jose Baez, does not have the rights to sell her story. Casey also said she would not "take a plea agreement for a crime that I DID NOT commit."
Several motions in the case are set to be heard in a hearing at 3:30 p.m. Thursday. You can watch it LIVE on News 13 when it happens.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/3/11/casey_refuses_plea_deal_returns_to_court_thursday. html
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 04:55 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/20tp8hf.jpg
Gatordog
03-11-2009, 07:58 PM
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I just figured out why Jose was crying! He was trying to teach Casey how (without poking herself in the eye)!
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 08:50 PM
Updated: 6:20 p.m.
Casey Anthony's attorney wants jail to stop monitoring meetings with client
Jose Beaz has learned a corrections officer told investigators about a conversation Baez had with Casey
Sarah Lundy and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:20 PM EDT, March 11, 2009
Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez wants the Orange County Jail to stop monitoring meetings between himself and Anthony. And he wants those who observe these meeting to stop talking about them.
He's asking a judge to bar the state from releasing any videos, audio tapes and interviews with correctional officers who may have heard any conversations.
He also wants the judge to find out who ordered the monitoring at the Orange County Jail.
Baez said this violates his client's Constitutional rights.
Jail officials would not comment about the latest motion, saying the specific issues would be addressed in court.
Spokesman Allen Moore said there are security cameras - without audio - set up throughout the jail.
Security cameras do record meetings between attorneys and inmates - for the protection of the attorney and to ensure jail policies are followed, he said.
The jail has no duty to visitors to inform them they are being recorded on security cameras, Moore said.
He would not discuss an interview Baez mentioned in his motion. The lawyer wrote that Lt. Tammy Uncer relayed a conversation between Baez and Anthony to investigators. She also told investigators about Anthony's medical history at the jail.
Baez learned this from recent investigative documents released to him. The documents will eventually become public record unless the judge stops them from being released.
This motion comes on the same day the Orlando Sentinel learned about a video of Anthony and Baez meeting at the jail on Dec. 11 - the day the remains of a small child were found near the Anthony home.
The remains were later identified as those of Anthony's missing daughter, 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony.
Casey Anthony, appeared angry and had her arms crossed and looked away during the meeting, a source told the Sentinel.
The Orange County Sheriff's Office acknowledged a videotape exists.
"There is a video," spokesman Deputy Carlos Padilla said. "Baez has referenced that video in his motions."
Baez's latest motion, filed yesterday, referred to the video, "...Defense counsel was videotaped by law enforcement meeting with his client."
Another video was taken earlier that same day when Anthony first learned of the discovery of remains. In that tape, Anthony was taken to the jail clinic. Sources say the video shows Anthony hyperventilating.
Investigators and prosecutors have copies of the video, but it's unclear whether the state will use it against her at trial.
Last week, Judge Stan Strickland allowed Baez to watch the video and decide within 15 days whether he will ask the judge again to bar the state from releasing it to the public. Baez has until next week to decide.
Orange County Jail spokesman Allen Moore confirmed that many areas of the jail are under constant video surveillance, including areas where Baez could meet with Anthony such as small interview rooms or the classroom.
Moore said the surveillance is visual only and no audio is collected in order to respect attorney-client privilege.
Attorneys would not meet with their clients in the medical clinic, Moore said.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jail-video-031109,0,937095.story
One2Snoop
03-11-2009, 08:56 PM
Baez Files Motion Asking Judge Not To Hold Hearing
Posted: 3:26 pm EDT March 11, 2009Updated: 3:55 pm EDT March 11, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's Attorney Jose Baez filed an objection and motion to strike the state’s motion to determine potential conflict of interest (Read Motion), which means he's asking the judge not to hold a hearing on the state's motion.
Baez' motion was filed with the clerk Tuesday.
Prosecutors want Judge Stan Strickland to find out what financial agreements are behind the hiring of high profile, nationally known defense expert Linda Kenney Baden and pathologist Henry Lee.
Prosecutors requested a special hearing to find out where the money is coming from and they have several money-related questions for Anthony's lead defense attorney.
The state filed a motion, (Read Motion) Monday afternoon, saying eight different lawyers and numerous experts have been hired by Casey Anthony. The motion outlines exactly what prosecutors are hoping the judge will find out.
Last summer, profits from the sale of home videos of Caylee brought in almost $200,000.
Casey Anthony will be back in court on Thursday for another hearing scheduled at 3:30pm. Her lawyer, Jose Baez wants access to all notes and reports on any DNA testing, along with evidence taken from the computer of Casey's ex-boyfriend, Ricardo Morales.
The defense team also plans to ask the judge to keep George Anthony's suicide note from being released.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18908486/detail.html#-
Justice Denied?
03-11-2009, 09:00 PM
State's Attorney said that all that was offered was the limited immunity for the location of the body, no plea bargain or deals.
Guess Baez doesn't know the difference.
Gator
It really makes you wonder whether Baez is being completely honest with Casey or is he telling her just what he wants her to know or believe. I would put nothing past him. JMO,MOO
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 09:12 PM
It really makes you wonder whether Baez is being completely honest with Casey or is he telling her just what he wants her to know or believe. I would put nothing past him. JMO,MOO
I think if I was Strickland, I would be finding out exactly what Casey meant by the statement.
Justice Denied?
03-11-2009, 09:21 PM
I wonder why ZFG isn't listed even though they haven't "found" her yet...it would be a good showman device...
That would be great! She can come in and testify that she kidnapped and killed Caylee and then ask for the death penalty. Since she is imaginary, the injection shouldn't hurt.:D:biggrin::D
Justice Denied?
03-11-2009, 09:56 PM
I think if I was Strickland, I would be finding out exactly what Casey meant by the statement.
I totally agree. Someone needs to get to the botom of Baez's representation of Casey and check into what sort of personal relationship they might have. I definitely do want her to get a new trial based on ineffective representation of counsel. JMO, MOO
lorettalockhorn
03-11-2009, 11:44 PM
I totally agree. Someone needs to get to the botom of Baez's representation of Casey and check into what sort of personal relationship they might have. I definitely do want her to get a new trial based on ineffective representation of counsel. JMO, MOO
I don't see why Strickland doesn't call Baez into his chambers and simply ask him these questions; no need for the defense to be present or for it to be on the record (don't think so anyway), and if the questions are answered to his satisfaction, he can simply stipulate for the record.
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony and her attorney Jose Baez responded to questions Tuesday regarding where his team of high profile attorneys is getting the money to defend their client.
Casey submitted a sworn affidavit (Read Sworn Affidavit) with seven points saying that Jose Baez does not have the right to sell her story or that of Caylee Anthony's. She added in her own handwriting. Writing, "I believe that Mr. Ashton is angry because I have refused to take a plea agreement for a crime that I did not commit."
If Casey swears to it, it must be a lie. Give me a break. I don't care what she 'swore to' she's a liar!
So, has there been a plea offer of late that I haven't heard? I would think that, if there was, that would be as big news as the video. Or, is she still talking about the plea offer from ages ago--which would be for the charges she KNOWS she doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hades to be found innocent of THOSE charges!!!!
Sounds like the hyena is going back to the stand...
http://www.wesh.com/news/18906812/detail.html
Attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez filed a motion Wednesday to compel Lee Anthony, brother of Casey Anthony, to answer some tough questions he dodged during his deposition 10 days ago.
Gonzalez is suing for defamation because, she said, her reputation was ruined when Casey Anthony, who is charged with murder in her daughter Caylee's death, used her name as the nanny who kidnapped Caylee.
Among the questions Gonzalez's team is trying to get Lee Anthony to answer is who the father of Caylee is and if he thinks his sister, Casey Anthony, had anything to do with his niece's slaying.
Maybe it's just me, but I sure think the lawsuit against CASEY ANTHONY re:her "defaming" Zenaida FERNANDEZ Gonzales should pretty much keep to just that. Seems Lee Anthony (who is not party to the lawsuit) has answered plenty of questions--and I don't see anytime soon he would alter or elaborate on his answers. But, all this about who is Caylee's daddy and does Lee think Casey killed Caylee---that has not a whit to do with the civil suit. And, if I were Lukas (whomever) I would tell Mr Morgan he's gotten all he's gonna get. Let the state attorneys do the murder trial questions--@ the murder trial. And, if the prosecution doesn't think that "who is Caylee's daddy" is relevant to the murder trial, that might just be a question not answered.
What confuses me is when she is on the stand for civil and if she takes the fifth she already stated this Zanny was not the Nanny when LE showed her a pic. So if she refuses to even answer that???? Lordy this has me so confused. The only thing i can come up with is if she confirms in Civil no this is not Zanny then she is confirming in court that Zanny does exist? Which could hurt her in the murder trial??? I would luv to see Zaneida's Lawyer just pound at her on the stand and let her true self shine thru. Too bad civil could not be televised. MOO
The only thing she would be confirming, IMO, is that THIS ZFG is NOT the ZFG who was Caylee's Nanny. That would not segue right to "there is no nanny." (Altho the whole world knows there was no nanny.) THIS is not "her" Zanny the Nanny, who, of course, has skipped the country since her kidnapping of Caylee turned into a fiasco.
What a waste of time for the students who probably put a lot of money into this school for tuition, books, and fees. :(
Surely they knew the accreditation status of the school before they applied--and if they didn't inquire, that would be their fault for not knowing. IIRC, this school has APPLIED for accreditation--it's not like they were accredited and lost it recently.
I don't see why Strickland doesn't call Baez into his chambers and simply ask him these questions; no need for the defense to be present or for it to be on the record (don't think so anyway), and if the questions are answered to his satisfaction, he can simply stipulate for the record.
It seems to me that, if the lawyers and experts are happy with whatever compensation they are getting, that is what matters in the long run. Why should the state or anyone else worry about how they are getting paid? The son of sam law got shot down---is there any law on the books about paying one's lawyers from monies received from book deals, etc? If there isn't, or if the A's sell videos and have deals in the works and choose to use the money for Casey's defense--don't have to like it, maybe even be outraged about it, but if it isn't against current law, it really isn't any of our business how they are being paid, if they are. Cuz I still think some of them are along for the ride only cuz it gets their names and/or mugs on NG or LKL shows for all the nation to see. With all the work they must be getting because they are well-known, well-respected (or formerly well-respected) people in their profession, they can occasionally take on a case probono. I'm sure LKB got enough compensation from her work for Spector to allow her to go pro-bono on this one.
Native Alien
03-12-2009, 04:04 AM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0311/18909551.pdf
Ummm...is this typical legal terminology for a motion(on #10): "Recently a judge in Broward County...booted a whole prosecutors office off a murder case..." and then he refers to a Miami Herald article rather than case law...isn't there some kind of reference book for that? Is it normal to refer to media instead of law? And shouldn't he find the Latin word for "booted"?
This wouldn't fly writing a site report, I can't imagine its okay for law?
No it isn't normal and you are completely correct that instead of giving the web address of the article, there should have been a proper citation for proper case law done on that motion.
Native Alien
03-12-2009, 04:06 AM
Okay, I'm canceling my question. Have you guys read this thing? #3 has such poor grammar you can't even understand what he's actually saying. There are sentence fragments throughout. And #19-he threatens years worth of federal lawsuits...and #23-that one lectures the Court!
I am not a lawyer. Is this normal, or is that a stupid question considering who we are talking about?
All he is going to succeed in doing with briefs and/or motions like this is making the judge mad. I agree that this one poorly written piece of supposed legal work.
Native Alien
03-12-2009, 04:09 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I sure think the lawsuit against CASEY ANTHONY re:her "defaming" Zenaida FERNANDEZ Gonzales should pretty much keep to just that. Seems Lee Anthony (who is not party to the lawsuit) has answered plenty of questions--and I don't see anytime soon he would alter or elaborate on his answers. But, all this about who is Caylee's daddy and does Lee think Casey killed Caylee---that has not a whit to do with the civil suit. And, if I were Lukas (whomever) I would tell Mr Morgan he's gotten all he's gonna get. Let the state attorneys do the murder trial questions--@ the murder trial. And, if the prosecution doesn't think that "who is Caylee's daddy" is relevant to the murder trial, that might just be a question not answered.
Those questions do have direct relevance to the civil case. It gives the jury or judge someone else to look at rather than ZFG as being someone that took Caylee from Casey. Casey blames ZFG, is it possible that the child's father took her? Can't know the answer to that one until we know who the father is.
Native Alien
03-12-2009, 04:12 AM
It seems to me that, if the lawyers and experts are happy with whatever compensation they are getting, that is what matters in the long run. Why should the state or anyone else worry about how they are getting paid?
Because the method of payment could in this case prevent the attorney from acting in the best interest of his client, and that could lead to an appeal based on ineffective council. If Bozo has been offered and/or paid for deals then he will do what is in the best interest of those deals, not what is in the best interest of Casey.
shadydaisy
03-12-2009, 08:59 AM
"Your boyfriend doesn't like you and is not coming back from his trip to New York."
Bingo! I think that was the straw that broke Casey. He was playing with her and said that he wasn't coming back from his visit back home to NY. He claims that she started to cry. Seems to be the only time I've heard mention of her having that kind of an emotional reaction.
deacon
03-12-2009, 09:26 AM
I was listening to one of the George interviews with LE last night and came up with an interesting thought. He said that casey was the one who came up with bozo. Now how did she pick him? I am sure he wasn't the first lawyer she came accross in the phone book. It would seem she knew him from somewhere. Now, we can not seem to put a handle on who is the father os Caylee. Is it bozo? Could that have been one of her "flings" from the past?
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 10:09 AM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0311/18909551.pdf
Ummm...is this typical legal terminology for a motion(on #10): "Recently a judge in Broward County...booted a whole prosecutors office off a murder case..." and then he refers to a Miami Herald article rather than case law...isn't there some kind of reference book for that? Is it normal to refer to media instead of law? And shouldn't he find the Latin word for "booted"?
This wouldn't fly writing a site report, I can't imagine its okay for law?
Okay, I'm canceling my question. Have you guys read this thing? #3 has such poor grammar you can't even understand what he's actually saying. There are sentence fragments throughout. And #19-he threatens years worth of federal lawsuits...and #23-that one lectures the Court!
I am not a lawyer. Is this normal, or is that a stupid question considering who we are talking about?
WOW!!! I'm no legal expert either, but this really looks like a fourth-grade level material.
I think Bozo Baez is grasping at all straws possible! "One of these will work!"
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 10:25 AM
It seems to me that, if the lawyers and experts are happy with whatever compensation they are getting, that is what matters in the long run. Why should the state or anyone else worry about how they are getting paid? The son of sam law got shot down---is there any law on the books about paying one's lawyers from monies received from book deals, etc? If there isn't, or if the A's sell videos and have deals in the works and choose to use the money for Casey's defense--don't have to like it, maybe even be outraged about it, but if it isn't against current law, it really isn't any of our business how they are being paid, if they are. Cuz I still think some of them are along for the ride only cuz it gets their names and/or mugs on NG or LKL shows for all the nation to see. With all the work they must be getting because they are well-known, well-respected (or formerly well-respected) people in their profession, they can occasionally take on a case probono. I'm sure LKB got enough compensation from her work for Spector to allow her to go pro-bono on this one.
I'm no legal expert, but...
What's at issue here is that if there is a deal for Liars defense to get paid from a book or movie deal.
Bozo Baez could have committed to selling this story, and Liar doesn't know about it. If (when) Liar is convicted, she could claim a mistrial due to her attorney not acting in her best interests - instead, he was acting in his own best interest, prolonging the case and creating as much drama as possible to have a better story to tell.
He'd be manipulating his client and the court and the law.
This trial will cost the Florida taxpayers MILLIONS! Prosecutors want to avoid going through that and then a retrial which would also cost millions.
Either Bozo has to say "I don't have the rights to sell this story, and will not sell this story now or in the future" or Liar has to say "I've given Bozo the rights to this story as payment for services, and I realize there could be a conflict of interest"
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 10:45 AM
Can I analyze this handwriting?
All the end letters are pointing downward, like her mood. Hiding.
The word crime has an almost closed C. That's a clue that she doesn't like that word or didn't want to write it.
Her writing is inconsistent. Some words are complete script, some are fractured script/lower case/capitals (some connected, some not.) The T in the word "NOT" which precedes the word, "commit" is not capitalized as the others are, so the word doesn't belong there.
The word DID, in the sentence, "I DID NOT COMMIT" has a tall I, and is crooked, so she was either shaking when she wrote it or it was dictated to her. Also, the two words connect, DIDNOT. That is a clue also.
In any event she was getting attention at the moment and she manages to make her writing look important and pretty. She still wrote in a way that exposed her.
I tell ya, handwriting tells a lot! Honest ta Gawd!
If she was innocent her writing would be much more consistent and fluid. Maybe smaller. But then again, it's the Liar we're talking about here, and she wrote big and enigmatic - with her narcissistic hand.
Hey maybe it's code! Casey Liar Code! ?
IMOO
Forgive me, I Love to analyse handwriting and pictures too!
LOL, I think I'd be in serious trouble if I ever let you analyze my handwriting. :tongue: I'm just lazy I guess.
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 10:48 AM
#5 - I thought jail officials said there was no audio with the video. ???
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0311/18909551.pdf
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 10:53 AM
Is it my imagination and it took Baez 8 pages to say basically the same thing over and over again. I wonder if he conferred with Toskala. :eek:
deacon
03-12-2009, 11:17 AM
Hi Deacon!
If I remember correctly, she was told about Bozo after her first arrest, by some of the other inmates. ? I think.
I guess you understand my point though. They sure are "friendly" to not have known each other for some time.
Imagine being Jose? He's listening to his client! Strickland will cut to the chase, I have faith.
Maybe Cindy was right when she said that Casey is smart, she gives her attorney advice!!! And, maybe Jose listens to and takes that advice? :chicken:
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 12:30 PM
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0311/18909551.pdf
Ummm...is this typical legal terminology for a motion(on #10): "Recently a judge in Broward County...booted a whole prosecutors office off a murder case..." and then he refers to a Miami Herald article rather than case law...isn't there some kind of reference book for that? Is it normal to refer to media instead of law? And shouldn't he find the Latin word for "booted"?
This wouldn't fly writing a site report, I can't imagine its okay for law?
Yikes! That was painful to read! I would think that an attorney would simply reference the above entitled cause, list the grievances, and cite case law, such as The State v Joe Blow for Strickland to consider (or maybe he doesn't have to bring his legal citations until he actually argues his motion before the court.
Sheesh Jose sounds like he's from The Department of Redundancy Department, and it really doesn't matter if he wrote that piece of crap or not, he signed his name to it. Looks to me like he would use the brainpower of some of the expert attorneys here.
Jail officials have stated that there is no audio on the tape, and the cameras are stationary. How did Baez not know that they were being recorded?
All he is going to succeed in doing with briefs and/or motions like this is making the judge mad. I agree that this one poorly written piece of supposed legal work.
He is succeeding in one other thing--proving he is not up to a high profile murder case, he does not seem to know what is proper to make motions on, and looks foolish in how they are worded--to say nothing of looking foolish when he stumble-bums thru his presentations.
I would venture to say that he is not up to even a murder case that is NOT high profile. If I were his client, or his client's family, I'd be thinking--this guy hasn't a clue, and I need an EXPERIENCED lawyer!!!!
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 12:36 PM
So, has there been a plea offer of late that I haven't heard? I would think that, if there was, that would be as big news as the video. Or, is she still talking about the plea offer from ages ago--which would be for the charges she KNOWS she doesn't have the chance of a snowball in hades to be found innocent of THOSE charges!!!!
The prosecution stated yesterday(?) that they have no record of any deal being offered. Why they didn't unequivocally deny that there has been a plea deal offered is interesting. How can they not know without having to check records? Looks like whoever is sitting first chair for The State would have to approve such a thing.
It seems to me that, if the lawyers and experts are happy with whatever compensation they are getting, that is what matters in the long run. Why should the state or anyone else worry about how they are getting paid? The son of sam law got shot down---is there any law on the books about paying one's lawyers from monies received from book deals, etc? If there isn't, or if the A's sell videos and have deals in the works and choose to use the money for Casey's defense--don't have to like it, maybe even be outraged about it, but if it isn't against current law, it really isn't any of our business how they are being paid, if they are. Cuz I still think some of them are along for the ride only cuz it gets their names and/or mugs on NG or LKL shows for all the nation to see. With all the work they must be getting because they are well-known, well-respected (or formerly well-respected) people in their profession, they can occasionally take on a case probono. I'm sure LKB got enough compensation from her work for Spector to allow her to go pro-bono on this one.
The issue is simply whether or not Baez has a conflict of interest here and if he does is he putting CA's best interest ahead of his own. It's a fair question, but if Strickland can be satisfied with the answer, I don't see that there is any need to make the information public.
I'm no legal expert, but...
What's at issue here is that if there is a deal for Liars defense to get paid from a book or movie deal.
Bozo Baez could have committed to selling this story, and Liar doesn't know about it. If (when) Liar is convicted, she could claim a mistrial due to her attorney not acting in her best interests - instead, he was acting in his own best interest, prolonging the case and creating as much drama as possible to have a better story to tell.
He'd be manipulating his client and the court and the law.
This trial will cost the Florida taxpayers MILLIONS! Prosecutors want to avoid going through that and then a retrial which would also cost millions.
Either Bozo has to say "I don't have the rights to sell this story, and will not sell this story now or in the future" or Liar has to say "I've given Bozo the rights to this story as payment for services, and I realize there could be a conflict of interest"
Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Casey Anthony expected in court this afternoon
Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:09 AM EDT, March 12, 2009
Casey Anthony is expected to appear in court this afternoon to attend a motions hearing where a judge could rule to keep her father's suicide note out of the public eye.
The hearing will start at 3:30 p.m. at the Orange County Courthouse. Circuit Judge Stan Strickland will preside over the hearing.
Strickland is expected to rule on three motions including an amended motion to compel information about DNA reports, another motion to compel copies of the screenshots and printouts of the forensic exam performed on Anthony's ex-boyfriend Ricardo Morales' computer.
snip...
Check back for updates.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-031209,0,3756392.story
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 12:43 PM
Those questions do have direct relevance to the civil case. It gives the jury or judge someone else to look at rather than ZFG as being someone that took Caylee from Casey. Casey blames ZFG, is it possible that the child's father took her? Can't know the answer to that one until we know who the father is.
Agree that it's relevant, but when Lee started to answer the question, he said that he wasn't 100% sure, and I don't see him elaborating if he goes back on the record. I can't imagine that Strickland would order him to list Casey's sex partners, for instance. Unless Lee was in the room (Ewwwww), he wouldn't know who they are anyway.
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 01:24 PM
It is relevant, but I don't think they will get anything more out of him on the subject....he actually answered it already! So he can spit out a name, but it will be the guy in the car accident!
What happens if he doesn't answer whether he thinks Casey is guilty, (which we all know he'll say no to anyway)..can the judge compell him to answer if the question is reworded, ie "did your sister tell you there was an accident?"
He seems like a worthless witness to me anyway; he's already on the record as believing that Casey is a liar, and on the record as saying that he believes her, that he has to believe her. MEH
(Not to mention that he comes off like Looney Toons with that inappropriate laughter.)
Justice Denied?
03-12-2009, 01:37 PM
Still questionable....maybe he's generalizing?
This looks to be written by a newbie paralegal. He probably just read over for typos and signed on the dotted line. LKB should be ashamed IMO, to be lumped in with this case! Misspelling, run on, unprofessional crap. This is embarrassing! Where is Todd Big Man, pound my chest, atty?
Ridiculous!:rolleyes:
"Newbie paralegal"??? I was thinking Baez must have fired all his paralegals and secretaries in order to pay attorneys and experts. Apparantly there is no one left who can spell or write correctly. JMO, MOO
Justice Denied?
03-12-2009, 02:08 PM
Casey Anthony expected in court this afternoon
Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:09 AM EDT, March 12, 2009
Casey Anthony is expected to appear in court this afternoon to attend a motions hearing where a judge could rule to keep her father's suicide note out of the public eye.
The hearing will start at 3:30 p.m. at the Orange County Courthouse. Circuit Judge Stan Strickland will preside over the hearing.
Strickland is expected to rule on three motions including an amended motion to compel information about DNA reports, another motion to compel copies of the screenshots and printouts of the forensic exam performed on Anthony's ex-boyfriend Ricardo Morales' computer.
snip...
Check back for updates.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-031209,0,3756392.story
HLN ( the station that carries NG) is broadcasting the hearing live at 3:30 EDT, 2:30 CDT for those who want to watch.
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 02:14 PM
HLN ( the station that carries NG) is broadcasting the hearing live at 3:30 EDT, 2:30 CDT for those who want to watch.
hehehe HeadLineNancy
Thanks!
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 02:15 PM
Yikes! That was painful to read! I would think that an attorney would simply reference the above entitled cause, list the grievances, and cite case law, such as The State v Joe Blow for Strickland to consider (or maybe he doesn't have to bring his legal citations until he actually argues his motion before the court.
Sheesh Jose sounds like he's from The Department of Redundancy Department, and it really doesn't matter if he wrote that piece of crap or not, he signed his name to it. Looks to me like he would use the brainpower of some of the expert attorneys here.
Jail officials have stated that there is no audio on the tape, and the cameras are stationary. How did Baez not know that they were being recorded?
LOL, glad to know I'm not the only one who noticed that! http://i42.tinypic.com/eikpp2.gif
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 02:16 PM
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Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:22 PM
Yikes! That was painful to read! I would think that an attorney would simply reference the above entitled cause, list the grievances, and cite case law, such as The State v Joe Blow for Strickland to consider (or maybe he doesn't have to bring his legal citations until he actually argues his motion before the court.
Sheesh Jose sounds like he's from The Department of Redundancy Department, and it really doesn't matter if he wrote that piece of crap or not, he signed his name to it. Looks to me like he would use the brainpower of some of the expert attorneys here.
Jail officials have stated that there is no audio on the tape, and the cameras are stationary. How did Baez not know that they were being recorded?
When I was in the sixth grade I could have done a better job of composing this motion.
How could he not know he was being videotaped when every other attorney has stated they know full well that there are cameras in almost every location?
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:25 PM
Casey Anthony expected in court this afternoon
Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:09 AM EDT, March 12, 2009
Casey Anthony is expected to appear in court this afternoon to attend a motions hearing where a judge could rule to keep her father's suicide note out of the public eye.
The hearing will start at 3:30 p.m. at the Orange County Courthouse. Circuit Judge Stan Strickland will preside over the hearing.
Strickland is expected to rule on three motions including an amended motion to compel information about DNA reports, another motion to compel copies of the screenshots and printouts of the forensic exam performed on Anthony's ex-boyfriend Ricardo Morales' computer.
snip...
Check back for updates.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-031209,0,3756392.story
O2S, you are always so good at keeping us informed of dates, times and reports. Thank you.
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:29 PM
"Newbie paralegal"??? I was thinking Baez must have fired all his paralegals and secretaries in order to pay attorneys and experts. Apparantly there is no one left who can spell or write correctly. JMO, MOO
Maybe it was assigned to his legal students at FAMU. Maybe each student took one point and they compiled them all together to make one, incoherent document. They may as well do something since they are probably not going to be taking the bar exam due to improper accreditation.
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:37 PM
rotflmao!!!!
The more I read of Baez' motion, the more pathetic it becomes. It is truly sad that this document was provided to a judge from an attorney.
It is totally ridiculous that he states that there was no knowledged that the tape wouldn't be destroyed. His client and he knew since August that the jail visits between the Anthonys and the Liar were made public so why would they presume any privacy in a common area? Also, as Mark Nejame said yesterday, in jail, you always presume you are being taped.
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:42 PM
A lesbian couple?
http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 02:46 PM
http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
I FLOVE him! Reminds me of Muttley.
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 02:47 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!! How did you do that????? Don't lie to me! LOL! LOL! LOL!!!
It's those geniuses at tinypics!
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:49 PM
Just thinking out loud at how expensive that might get with all the DNA testing they'd have to do. How many times can Maury say in a one hour episode, "You're Not The Father". I could see this going on for days LOL.
As all the men filed into the studio they would have to take a number like when you go to the butcher. Number 35 next.
Gator
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 02:56 PM
As all the men filed into the studio they would have to take a number like when you go to the butcher. Number 35 next.
Gator
http://i26.tinypic.com/swtp4p.jpg
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 02:58 PM
Surely they knew the accreditation status of the school before they applied--and if they didn't inquire, that would be their fault for not knowing. IIRC, this school has APPLIED for accreditation--it's not like they were accredited and lost it recently.
To me it still shows the quality of the students applying for admittance. It's like me walking into a car dealership and they say, this car is great, it's going to cost you $35,000 but when you actually get it, but it may or may not have an engine.
Gator
deacon
03-12-2009, 03:15 PM
We all have to remember that Jose has said he did not have the rights to CAYLEE's story, not that he would not write a book on the case afterward. I am sure he would not answer that question truthfully. He has been around a liar too long. And way too close.
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 03:24 PM
He seems like a worthless witness to me anyway; he's already on the record as believing that Casey is a liar, and on the record as saying that he believes her, that he has to believe her. MEH
(Not to mention that he comes off like Looney Toons with that inappropriate laughter.)
I agree that Lee is worthless. In the deposition, he said that he believes everything his sister has told him. Yet, just a bit later he also said he knew she was lying.
is it my imagination and it took baez 8 pages to say basically the same thing over and over again. I wonder if he conferred with toskala. :eek:
roflmao!
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 03:34 PM
We all have to remember that Jose has said he did not have the rights to CAYLEE's story, not that he would not write a book on the case afterward. I am sure he would not answer that question truthfully. He has been around a liar too long. And way too close.
You KNOW he'll write a book. An excerpt:
Casey camed into my office and sitted down on a chair that she sat down on. She smiled a sly smile when I axed her how she was going to pay for mine services. As she was sitting in the chair she smiled when I axed her how she would pay my fee.
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 03:39 PM
Live Stream on now!
http://www.wesh.com/video/18916982/index.html
I'm sitting here watching the live coverage and can't get over the Liar. She is sitting there acting like she is one of the attorneys. I guess that is her new delusion. She is a high powered attorney in a major case. This is her latest version of the "event coordinator at Universal" job.
lighthousedazy
03-12-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm sitting here watching the live coverage and can't get over the Liar. She is sitting there acting like she is one of the attorneys. I guess that is her new delusion. She is a high powered attorney in a major case. This is her latest version of the "event coordinator at Universal" job.
I noticed that Jose's and her hand movements were almost identical. I saw Jose with a quirky smile every now and then, plus in my opinion, he looks like he is lost. :confused:
you know he'll write a book. An excerpt:
Casey camed into my office and sitted down on a chair that she sat down on. She smiled a sly smile when i axed her how she was going to pay for mine services. As she was sitting in the chair she smiled when i axed her how she would pay my fee.
roflamo!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahah! Too good!
I noticed that Jose's and her hand movements were almost identical. I saw Jose with a quirky smile every now and then, plus in my opinion, he looks like he is lost. :confused:
Did you see his face when they panned to him when LKB was talking? He had a look of wonder. Like "Wow! That's how you are supposed to do it!".
I also liked how at the beginning he would just stand up and talk over the judge. Hello! Might want to sit down until the Judge is finished speaking. Ignorant azz.
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:07 PM
I'm sitting here watching the live coverage and can't get over the Liar. She is sitting there acting like she is one of the attorneys. I guess that is her new delusion. She is a high powered attorney in a major case. This is her latest version of the "event coordinator at Universal" job.
"Casey Anthony, Legal Coordinator"
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 04:08 PM
Is there no sound? I wanna know what their talking about!
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:09 PM
Watching the stream.... I love it! Bozo wants the prosecutors to do his leg work!!
Talk about amateur hour! I tell you, if there were three celebrities sitting in front of a gong!!!
Dang it!! The live feed dropped when Bozo started quizzing that guy about the trunk of the car. What the heck is the questioning for?
"Casey Anthony, Legal Coordinator"
She should make herself a little badge out of a pork rind bags and candy box cardboard.
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 04:21 PM
OMG what is Baez trying to do? He's aimlessly asking questions about the fricken garbage...GEEZ Louise, this hurts to watch.
Baez is trying to get him to acknowledge that he wasn't told about the garbage being there prior, and wants to know if the spot was wet ~ it wasn't.
Is this the trial???? LOL! :shrug:
OMG what is Baez trying to do? He's aimlessly asking questions about the fricken garbage...GEEZ Louise, this hurts to watch.
Baez is trying to get him to acknowledge that he wasn't told about the garbage being there prior, and wants to know if the spot was wet ~ it wasn't.
What? Why is the judge letting him ask these questions? Shouldn't this be left for the trial? Is this why the woman prosecutor said she was basically ok with letting him hang himself if he felt like it. Or what she said was that he would be showing his cards but if he wants to, she's ok with it?
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:28 PM
I see Bozo Baez' strategy...he plans on boring the jury to sleep so that they'll miss all the evidence.
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:29 PM
Does Bozo think that THIS is THE trial?!?!
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:44 PM
lmao!!!
This is not good..even the people in the diner next door fell asleep watching it................http://i39.tinypic.com/2ekuhhz.jpg
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz
rotflmoa!!
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 04:46 PM
Is Baez whining about having to bring Henwee Lee back? For cripes sakes. :rolleyes:
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:47 PM
Okay, Bozo is trying to prove that LE did not disclose where the garbage bag was, though the CSI says they did and told Henry Lee exactly where it was.
So is Bozo trying to suggest that the evidence was tampered with? Contaminated?
Bozo is trying to discredit CSI....Dr Lee found hairs and stains that CSI did not.
Why is he bringing this up now? Shouldn't this come up at THE TRIAL??
Maybe he's practicing.
Okay, Bozo is trying to prove that LE did not disclose where the garbage bag was, though the CSI says they did and told Henry Lee exactly where it was.
So is Bozo trying to suggest that the evidence was tampered with? Contaminated?
Bozo is trying to discredit CSI....Dr Lee found hairs and stains that CSI did not.
Why is he bringing this up now? Shouldn't this come up at THE TRIAL??
Maybe he's practicing.
That's what I'm wondering. What the heck is going on?? Why are they going through this now?
joekuhl79
03-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Surprise!!! She didn't even LOOK at her parents on the way out, did she?
(Video dropped off as she was walking away...)
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 04:58 PM
The judge has restricted George's suicide note from being disclosed (ah ha moment: Without predjudice). No surprise. That's not saying the media can't step up and shout "We wanna see it!", in which case.....
Jose and defense want the pros to do their work and get info they want..
BRB
I see Casey is wearing her new Maybelline mascara and makeup. Wearing an updo.... Told ya she'd get all dolled up today. Some things are so important, don'tyaknow.
BRB
I'm surprised that no media outlets had legal representation at the hearing today.
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 05:03 PM
Dang it!! The live feed dropped when Bozo started quizzing that guy about the trunk of the car. What the heck is the questioning for?
He's trying to get the CSI to admit that Henwee Wee was left out of the loop about the garbage bag/maggots and that the prosecution erred in not adding Dr. Bug to the witness list.
And I guess this all boils down to the defense wanting The State to foot the bill for Lee's airfare and accommodations (and maybe also pay for computer forensics on Morales' puter in the next motion). Sheesh Casey can afford a dream team only if Florida pays for the defense investigation? Cheapskates!!
(And didn't HenweWee tell Nancy he's pro bono?)
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 05:05 PM
I see Bozo Baez' strategy...he plans on boring the jury to sleep so that they'll miss all the evidence.
My God. He's the Dean of The Department of Redundancy Department!
If it wasn't so early in the day, I was thinking about taking a shot every time he said "on top of" blah blah blah.
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 05:09 PM
That's what I'm wondering. What the heck is going on?? Why are they going through this now?
He wants sanctions against the prosecution. To wit: for them to have to pay for Lee's trip to Florida and time away from his schedule, and for a deposition re: R Morales' computer.
Motion denied. *nanny nanny boo boo*
Justice Denied?
03-12-2009, 05:39 PM
hehehe HeadLineNancy
Thanks!
Oh, PULEEESEEE! I thought it was Breaking NNews Nancy
Justice Denied?
03-12-2009, 05:48 PM
We all have to remember that Jose has said he did not have the rights to CAYLEE's story, not that he would not write a book on the case afterward. I am sure he would not answer that question truthfully. He has been around a liar too long. And way too close.
How do all these people learn to answer a question without answering the question? Casey does it, Cindy does it, Lee does it, Jose does it..... It would take me forever to get good at something like that.
Theyu can also talk and talk without saying anything. JMO, MOO
When I was in the sixth grade I could have done a better job of composing this motion.
How could he not know he was being videotaped when every other attorney has stated they know full well that there are cameras in almost every location?
Gator
Are we surprised? He seems to not know a lot of other things most other attorneys state is routine. He did not seem to know how to make motions from the get-go, in fact, it seems he was going to sit back and have the prosecution do all his leg work, until Judge Strickland informed him he had to prepare for the case himself (paraphrased.) He didn't seem to know that hugging your client was inappropriate behaviour when all the other attorneys knew that (and, it wouldn't even take law school ethics 101 for any noodle head to figure that out on common sense alone!!!) Really, from his actions and interviews we have seen to date, I am surprised he has even 3 years experience under his belt. I think we would see better actions from someone who passed the bar yesterday, embarking upon his first case of his career.
We all have to remember that Jose has said he did not have the rights to CAYLEE's story, not that he would not write a book on the case afterward. I am sure he would not answer that question truthfully. He has been around a liar too long. And way too close.
Yep, all they would have to do is call it the CASEY Anthony story. And, they did not purjure themselves @ all.
The judge has restricted George's suicide note from being disclosed (ah ha moment: Without predjudice). No surprise. That's not saying the media can't step up and shout "We wanna see it!", in which case.....
Jose and defense want the pros to do their work and get info they want..
BRB
I see Casey is wearing her new Maybelline mascara and makeup. Wearing an updo.... Told ya she'd get all dolled up today. Some things are so important, don'tyaknow.
BRB
Well, when you only get out for hearings, you do want to make the most of the moment.
Watching the stream.... I love it! Bozo wants the prosecutors to do his leg work!!
Talk about amateur hour! I tell you, if there were three celebrities sitting in front of a gong!!!
Second verse, same as the first. Isn't this what happened in one of the first hearings when the judge pretty much told him HE had to do his own work?
:eek:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo. He bad cross examiner. He need Lessons. OOOOOOOOOoooooo.
Good thing he's not teaching cross examination @ that college. Oh, wait, he's teaching preparation to present your case? The people who hire "professors" there should watch him in action before hiring. It sure doesn't seem like trial preparation is his strong point.
Okay, Bozo is trying to prove that LE did not disclose where the garbage bag was, though the CSI says they did and told Henry Lee exactly where it was.
So is Bozo trying to suggest that the evidence was tampered with? Contaminated?
Bozo is trying to discredit CSI....Dr Lee found hairs and stains that CSI did not.
Why is he bringing this up now? Shouldn't this come up at THE TRIAL??
Maybe he's practicing.
Wasn't finding things @ the crime scene that LE didn't one of Dr Lee's problems in the Spector case? I'm thinking he "found" a fingernail that had been "missed" by LE and investigators? If I were Henwweee Lee, I'd think twice about saying there something missed by CSI or any one else.
I would certainly question Henwee long and hard about anything he "found." I wouldn't just take his word on it.
First of all, someone tell LKB to stop breathing so heavy ~ this isn't 1800-call me. Secondly, so what if they found 17 hairs, and they only used 4 ...those 4 were banded...the others (probably were old).
Ricardo's computer...they have the fricken hard drive...why do they need the computer analyst's notes? Why would they need to put into evidence stuff that is non detrimental to the case..they took what they needed from it...makes no sense. They are nitpicking, saying they will have to depo the analyst if no notes are produced.
But, golly, old_soul--they would have to PAY someone to analyse that hard drive that was turned over to them!!! That would HURT!!!! He'd rather have the work that is already paid for by the state, doncha know?
I wonder if he realizes that, if he uses the notes from the state's analyst, he will have to go with whatever that guy came up with. He can't sit there and tell this guy his analysis is all wrong, missed something, whatever, if HE DOESN'T HAVE HIS OWN ANALYST CHECK IT OUT.
How do all these people learn to answer a question without answering the question? Casey does it, Cindy does it, Lee does it, Jose does it..... It would take me forever to get good at something like that.
Theyu can also talk and talk without saying anything. JMO, MOO
I don't have the answering a question with a question down pat, but some people DO say I can go on and on without saying anything, lol. :shrug:
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 06:21 PM
Wasn't finding things @ the crime scene that LE didn't one of Dr Lee's problems in the Spector case? I'm thinking he "found" a fingernail that had been "missed" by LE and investigators? If I were Henwweee Lee, I'd think twice about saying there something missed by CSI or any one else.
I would certainly question Henwee long and hard about anything he "found." I wouldn't just take his word on it.
How lucky is that? To have your defense expert on the scene? The judge ruled that either hid or destroyed that piece of evidence and that he lied under oath.
Which is one of the reasons that I find it strange that LKB would want to work with him again.
Kinda disappointed in LKB today. She doesn't know how to go about getting evidence from the FBI? Or just wanted to have a snit in court?
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 06:25 PM
I don't have the answering a question with a question down pat, but some people DO say I can go on and on without saying anything, lol. :shrug:
Uh oh. I think you're organized and have a great memory. You better tell "some people" that the pre-Altzheimer's lady on the message board says they are wrong!
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 06:40 PM
"Casey Anthony, Legal Coordinator"
Hey JoeK :cool:, you're on a roll today. You're coming up with some great lines today. LOL
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 06:44 PM
I see Bozo Baez' strategy...he plans on boring the jury to sleep so that they'll miss all the evidence.
Bada Bing! there's another one. LOL
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 06:54 PM
Okay, Bozo is trying to prove that LE did not disclose where the garbage bag was, though the CSI says they did and told Henry Lee exactly where it was.
So is Bozo trying to suggest that the evidence was tampered with? Contaminated?
Bozo is trying to discredit CSI....Dr Lee found hairs and stains that CSI did not.
Why is he bringing this up now? Shouldn't this come up at THE TRIAL??
Maybe he's practicing.
Lord knows he needs all the practice he can get. Now the State Attorneys know what tactics he will use and will be properly prepared. I noticed the male State's Attorney was doing all he could to keep from laughing out loud.
Gator
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 07:00 PM
I think Liar looked like a totally different person. I couldn't help remembering the dark haired smiling beauty we've all come to know; you know, the one with the push up bra and the heavy eye do, and the big toothy grin! Where'd she go?
I guess they had a little sit down with her about her presentation in court. Cardigan sweater??? She looks like Mary Kate Danagher back in Innisfree, on the farm. She looks dreadful and no smile appeared. I guess they want her to look dreadful like she's playing the part of a saint, Part two act 1.
Ya know lawyers really think people are stupid. Every murderer I've ever seen in court dresses much differently than they do on the street when they committed the crime. She can pull her hair back and wear cheap cardigan sweaters all day long, she's a murdering sack of poo. She needs a push up noose, not a push up bra. :cuss:
Sorry... for the rant. I hate the sight of her. She's a consummate actress.
I noticed that she's starting to get a neck roll. By the time this comes to trial, she's could be on "The World's Biggest Loser" in more ways than one.
Gator
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:02 PM
Lord knows he needs all the practice he can get. Now the State Attorneys know what tactics he will use and will be properly prepared. I noticed the male State's Attorney was doing all he could to keep from laughing out loud.
Gator
LOL you noticed that too? I was trying to get a screen shot of it but for some reason the live feed wouldn't let me do it, even when I tried pausing. I also tried to get one of George sniffling - I know there has to be a way but when I tried to paste the screen shot in paint it kept playing the live feed. At one point I was able to get it to paste but the screen was black??? :shrug:
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Here's a recap for those of you who missed live feed today....
Casey Anthony's defense fails to win sanctions against state
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
5:17 PM EDT, March 12, 2009
5:17 p.m. After today's hearing, Casey Anthony's defense attorneys said they plan on contacting the FBI and asking for various notes from the agency.
The defense also said one thing they plan to follow-up with at trial is the fact that Orange County Sheriff's Office crime-scene investigators destroy their notes once they write their reports.
4:58 p.m. Judge Strickland has heard all the motions scheduled for today. He said that if the investigator who reviewed the ex-boyfriend's computer has notes, he or she needs to turn them over.
4:54 p.m. Judge Strickland denied the defense's request for sanctions.
They are now discussing the final motion, which is about screen shots from the computer belonging to one of Casey Anthony's ex-boyfriends.
Prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick said they are asking investigators to turn over all the contents.
The defense team already has the computer hard-drive, so the judge is asking why they actually need the screen shots.
Defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden said the defense wants to know if there are notes from the computer examiner.
4:47 p.m. Prosecutor Linda Drane Burdick told Judge Stan Strickland that Jose Baez is trying to argue something he hasn't proven. She said Baez is trying to insinuate some type of police misconduct.
4:40 p.m. Defense attorney Jose Baez was going to call another witness but changed his mind. He is now addressing Judge Strickland.
4:30 p.m. The crime scene investigator was at the Sheriff's Office when Dr. Henry Lee -- one of Jose Baez's experts -- arrived to inspect evidence. Lee was going to inspect the car and other evidence.
4:12 p.m. Defense attorney Jose Baez is now questioning a crime scene investigator who processed Anthony's car July 16.
4:00 p.m.The judge has called the attorneys to the bench and is talking to them now.
3:55 p.m. Judge Strickland has found the defense's request for DNA and evidence gathering is moot. Strickland wants the defense to request the information from the FBI and private labs.
3:40 p.m. Judge Stan Strickland granted Conway's motion. Conway asked the judge to block prosecutors from releasing a note George Anthony wrote in January when he threatened suicide.
3:35 p.m. A hearing in the case against Casey Anthony, the 22-year-old accused of killing her daughter, is about to start in Orange County courtroom 19D.
Anthony - who is required to attend all hearings - is sitting next to her attorney Jose Baez and co-counsel Linda Kenney Baden. She was seated before the public was allowed in the courtroom. Her hair is pulled back and she appears to be wearing a white cardigan atop a dark shirt and dark pants.
The courtroom is packed with reporters and onlookers. Anthony's parents - George Anthony and Cindy Anthony are sitting in the first row, behind their daughter. Orange County detectives John Allen and Yuri Melich are also in attendance.
Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland will hear arguments on four motions, including one filed by lawyer Brad Conway, who is representing George Anthony and Cindy Anthony.
Conway wants to stop prosecutors from releasing a note George Anthony wrote in January when he threatened suicide.
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The letter may be part of investigative documents that could be released to the public under Florida's open record laws.
Distraught over his granddaughter's death and his daughter's arrest, George Anthony threatened suicide in January.
He penned the note Jan. 23, before police found him in a Daytona Beach motel. He was taken to a nearby hospital where he stayed several days.
In paperwork filed in court, Conway argued that the note contains personal information that is not relevant to the criminal investigation. Releasing it would be embarrassing for the family, he wrote.
Another topic on the list of motions involve the defense's request for prosecutors and law enforcement to produce all DNA notes and reports and standards used to collect evidence.
Baez also wants the state to turn over computer screen shots or printout from a computer that belonged to Ricardo Morales, one of Anthony's former boyfriends. At one point, he had a picture of a woman on his MySpace page - a social networking Web site - that stated "win her over with chloroform."
Investigators examined Morales' computer and found "nothing incriminating." Baez wrote in his motion that the defense is entitled to know what the state felt was "not incriminating" so the defense can compare it to their own computer analysis.
The last issue scheduled today is Baez's request to have prosecutors sanctioned because a defense expert who examined Anthony's car was not informed about all the evidence removed from the vehicle.
Investigators removed trash from the trunk before criminalist Henry Lee inspected the car for the defense.
Authorities failed to tell him it was taken out. Now, the defense must request notes and opinions by the state's two experts, according to the motion.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-hearing-031209,0,6839833.story
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 07:09 PM
Did anyone notice George blew his nose in a handkerchief, examined his "handywork" and showed it to Cindy? What the heck? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:09 PM
Dis anyone notice George blew his nose in a handkerchief, examined his "handywork" and showed it to Cindy? What the heck? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
I thought he was crying? LOL!
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 07:11 PM
I noticed that she's starting to get a neck roll. By the time this comes to trial, she's could be on "The World's Biggest Loser" in more ways than one.
Gator
And muffin top and backfat. She better lay of the pork rinds, or she's going to look like LKB before she goes to trial. :eek:
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 07:18 PM
Are we surprised? He seems to not know a lot of other things most other attorneys state is routine. He did not seem to know how to make motions from the get-go, in fact, it seems he was going to sit back and have the prosecution do all his leg work, until Judge Strickland informed him he had to prepare for the case himself (paraphrased.) He didn't seem to know that hugging your client was inappropriate behaviour when all the other attorneys knew that (and, it wouldn't even take law school ethics 101 for any noodle head to figure that out on common sense alone!!!) Really, from his actions and interviews we have seen to date, I am surprised he has even 3 years experience under his belt. I think we would see better actions from someone who passed the bar yesterday, embarking upon his first case of his career.
Amy, you are 100 percent correct.
Loretta and OS - do you have a noodle head character in your supply of funnies?
Gator
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:19 PM
Motion To Compel Copies Of The Screen Shots or Printouts Concerning the Forensic Examination Done on the Computer of Ricardo Morales
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Copies%20of%20the%20Screen% 20Shots%20or%20Pintouts%20Concerning%20the%20Foren sic%20Examination%20Done%20on%20the%20Computer%20o f%20Ricardo%20Morales%20March%204.pdf
Motion for Sanctions.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20for%20Sanctions%20March%204.pdf
Amended Motion To Compel DNA Bench Notes - Reports and Standards
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Amended%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20DNA%20Bench%20Not es-Reports%20and%20Standards%20March%204.pdf
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:32 PM
Photo Gallery from today's hearing - March 12, 2009 -
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/031209caseyanthonymotionhearing/indexGallery.htm
Gatordog
03-12-2009, 07:33 PM
What is really amazing regarding Baez' questioning of the CSI guy, is that Baez has a degree in Criminology and spent years as a forensic invstgator in Miami. You would think he would have been clear and concise in his questioning. Also, why would he need LKB since he was a forensics guy himself. :shrug:
Gator
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:42 PM
Adam Longo of WKMG Television news reporter on Twitter. He made a few funny comments about Baez....
http://twitter.com/adamlongo
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 07:45 PM
Amy, you are 100 percent correct.
Loretta and OS - do you have a noodle head character in your supply of funnies?
Gator
http://i31.tinypic.com/2mpwrvm.jpg
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 07:51 PM
:eek: Ummmm does that say penis pasta? http://i44.tinypic.com/10e0dvo.jpg
lighthousedazy
03-12-2009, 07:51 PM
Did anyone notice George blew his nose in a handkerchief, examined his "handywork" and showed it to Cindy? What the heck? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
GatorGross....Maybe he wants to know if it's an infection or allergy. :D Still gross.
lighthousedazy
03-12-2009, 07:53 PM
And muffin top and backfat. She better lay of the pork rinds, or she's going to look like LKB before she goes to trial. :eek:
Great, At least she want influence those in the jury pool that think "she is too cute" to commit a crime. Hopefully.....:biggrin:
deputydi
03-12-2009, 08:27 PM
I see Bozo Baez' strategy...he plans on boring the jury to sleep so that they'll miss all the evidence.
:eek:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo. He bad cross examiner. He need Lessons. OOOOOOOOOoooooo.
My God. He's the Dean of The Department of Redundancy Department!
If it wasn't so early in the day, I was thinking about taking a shot every time he said "on top of" blah blah blah.
Does anyone think (as I do) this is exactly why the pros decided against the DP? If they put the DP back on the table, someone else would have to try the case. We all know certain qualifications have to be met before an attorney can try a death case and we also know (as does the prosecution) that Jose doesn't meet those qualifications. I believe they WANT Baez to represent Casey at trial 'cause that practically guarantees them a conviction.
One2Snoop
03-12-2009, 09:15 PM
OH,...........a little reverse psychology, eh? <a href="http://media.photobucket.com/video/winking/cabinfeverconst/PIGS.flv?o=9" target="_blank"><embed width="448" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" src="http://i247.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid247.photobucket.com/albums/gg132/cabinfeverconst/PIGS.flv&sr=1"></a>
:eek: What is that OS?
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 09:28 PM
Does anyone think (as I do) this is exactly why the pros decided against the DP? If they put the DP back on the table, someone else would have to try the case. We all know certain qualifications have to be met before an attorney can try a death case and we also know (as does the prosecution) that Jose doesn't meet those qualifications. I believe they WANT Baez to represent Casey at trial 'cause that practically guarantees them a conviction.
From what we saw today, Casey would have an appeal on ineffective counsel! I think the prosecution has enough circumstantial evidence to get a conviction, and Baez knows it or he wouldn't be picking nits by asking for CV from State witnesses.
Besides, going up against Jose is like having a battle of the wits with an unarmed opponent. No fun! They're probably just hoping that LKB and the top guns will handle the trial.
lorettalockhorn
03-12-2009, 09:30 PM
The label cartoon does have the same smirk, oddly enough...
Looks JUST like Baez!
deputydi
03-12-2009, 09:39 PM
OH,...........a little reverse psychology, eh? http://i40.tinypic.com/i6cktt.gif
Yep, and some pretty smart strategy. Think about it -- statistically, women murderers aren't sentenced to death very often. I think the pros has thought this through very carefully and they believe the jury, even if they are given a choice, will most likely come back with a sentence of LWOP anyway. An experienced defense attorney could very well pull an OJ and confuse the jury to the point where they come back with an acquittal. By letting Baez stay in control, they will be locking horns with an inexperienced moron and Casey will still get what she deserves.
I am impressed with the forward thinking of the prosecution. Their motion to compel Baez to reveal his financial agreement with Casey was great. Even if the public doesn't get to hear what it is, it guarantees she won't be able to use that as an appeal issue. If the pros hadn't looked ahead to the obvious implications, she would have had perfect grounds for a reversal.
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