Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only [Archive] - Page 72

wind149

03-04-2009, 07:59 PM

As you guys know, my beloved cat Nyja died on December 19th of thyroid complications, she was 17 and this can happen with old cats. I felt like I murdered her, I could not stop crying for about 10 days and every day, I wake up without her laying on top of me trying to get Mom out of bed because her tummy is rumbling! She would start by knitting, then it went to licking my face, nice tuna breath, to head butting my ass, and boy, do I miss that! I miss her little face always smiling, a very happy laid back girl she was. Even the vets could do what they will to her! She was a real people cat, she got along very well with other animals, she was a gem! And this b*tch threw her daughter away like she was a bag of trash and I would have given my life to Nyja if that could have saved her! I would have done anything I could, but in the end, I had to let her go and it still is so painful. I now look at pictures of her, including one here on my desk, she is laying in the laundry basket upside down, grinning away and I feel such pain at my loss. I lost her brother in 2004, Rasta, and I am still grieving over him too, he lived to be 22 and died of kidney failure and I miss that little yellow face, so much. These were my children, I cared for them better than some of the slobs care for their kids! They had regular vet care, the best food, they were indoor cats for the most part, they were fixed, and they were my heart and always will be. I have Phaedra Leigh still, she is two, but she is not as affectionate as Nyja and Rasta, she has her moments where she wants Mommy love, she likes talking on the phone, I will be on the couch talking and she will meow into the phone! I did not teach her this, it is her own gig! She does sleep with me though, and that is comforting.

I plan on getting a kitten come spring as I think she needs a companion and Lord Knows I want another baby!! What makes me so pissed with this skank, her lies to her parents on those tapes. "All I want is for Caylee to come home and I feel she is close to home" YEAH! Her parents sit there hopeful, thinking that their daughter is feeling the same pain and she could give a crap less and as much as I dislike them too, for her to sit there and run her s*it spin, knowing fricken well that child is moldering in a trash bag, her face and mouth are duct-taped, in a swamp, mere blocks from her home and has the balls to say that her LIFE IS RUINED BY ZANNY???? How is Bozo gonna spin Zanny versus the decomp in CA's car?? How in f*ck did this here "NANNY" get into CA's car and place C there??? How about the chloroform in the car? How is it this woman was the nanny for over a year and not one soul in the family or her friends ever saw this woman? She claimed she had talked to her via a cell phone, or the home phone, no records ever show any calls made to and from a Zenaida Gonzalez!! I can't wait for the trial and watch this ***** go down on flames.

As for the DP, it can come back on the table and I will agree, if she was black or Hispanic, a welfare mom, a crack addict, and her parents are as bad, the DP would never come off. Now Karla Faye Tucker was white, but white trash, a drug addict, a prostitute, who murdered two people with a pick axe, very gruesome and she got the DP. Now she did change her life behind bars, but my question is this. Has she not been charged and convicted of murder and sent to prison, would she still be doing drugs and selling herself? The answer is a big YES! She actually married a minister and had for the first time, a woman who cared deeply for her like a daughter, I think she was either a lawyer or a writer, her own mom was just like her, she took the Lord into her heart, but how many prisoners do that??? It was too late, the damage was done and there was no changing the fact, that two people were dead and she had to pay with her life, I felt no sympathy for her and I remember watching TV when the warden came out and told the huge crowd that George Bush would not grant an injunction and she was executed. I felt bad for the man she married, and that woman, not her. We won't know until the trial what the DA might do or not do. He has all the cards.

One2Snoop

03-04-2009, 08:21 PM

This isn't the one that I saw. And it looked like the real (albeit ugly) deal, but couldn't swear if it was Casey or not.

Do you remember where you saw it? Was it BH?

One2Snoop

03-04-2009, 08:31 PM

:eek: Never mind I found it via google. Needless to say I'm certain I didn't post it here LOL. 3rd row of pics at the link...

http://images.google.com/images?ndsp=20&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=Casey+Anthony+porn&start=40&sa=N

DrewBerry

03-04-2009, 09:05 PM

I like yours too! It's a good place here. :) You got some true grit there kid!

TVM!
I just finished watching NG. It was good to hear that the state can put the DP back on the table at any time. The DP atty. Lineman (sp.?) was on again tonight talking about a mental illness defense. He thinks the Liar shows tell-tale signs of depression and mania. She sure doesn't look manic while dancing on the stripper pole or shopping at Target. My guess is he's suggesting untreated bipolar disorder. I get sick of attys. trying to play psychiatrist.
AND, now it looks like Bozo's team is going to blame another one of the skank's past lovers.
One of the callers tonight asked if there is a way the state can prove that lying brother Lee perjured himself during the deposition. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? I was hoping Morgan has working on this. There's only one thing I would love to see besides the Liar being convicted and sentenced to death and that would be Lee getting busted for lying under oath and some jail time for him. I would love to see that!!:biggrin:

Justice Denied?

03-04-2009, 09:10 PM

Look at picture #10 at this link - I think that pic you guys are talking about was photoshopped. I remember seeing it being circulated elsewhere a month or two back. I might have even posted it here in this thread. I'll see if I can find it. I could be wrong about the photoshop thing but I remember thats what was being discussed at the time. Sorry I don't remember what site it was - there are so many LOL.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-casey-anthony-trial-case-photos,0,2398805.photogallery

What Casey has in her mouth in #10 is a burrito as in the previous 2 pictures. Look at the color of the tortilla. Also, check out the shirt. It is the same one.

lorettalockhorn

03-04-2009, 09:11 PM

Do you remember where you saw it? Was it BH?

It's the one that links back to that BH post! I thought it looked for real and like Casey. :shrug: I didn't check out the website that was cited.

One2Snoop

03-04-2009, 09:14 PM

What Casey has in her mouth in #10 is a burrito as in the previous 2 pictures. Look at the color of the tortilla. Also, check out the shirt. It is the same one.

LOL I thought it was a banana.

I thought I remember this picture and the porn pic were used to compare to see if it was really her. It was on another site. OK, my memory just aint what it used to be LOL.

lorettalockhorn

03-04-2009, 09:17 PM

TVM!
I just finished watching NG. It was good to hear that the state can put the DP back on the table at any time. The DP atty. Lineman (sp.?) was on again tonight talking about a mental illness defense. He thinks the Liar shows tell-tale signs of depression and mania. She sure doesn't look manic while dancing on the stripper pole or shopping at Target. My guess is he's suggesting untreated bipolar disorder. I get sick of attys. trying to play psychiatrist.
AND, now it looks like Bozo's team is going to blame another one of the skank's past lovers.
One of the callers tonight asked if there is a way the state can prove that lying brother Lee perjured himself during the deposition. Does anyone have any thoughts about this? I was hoping Morgan has working on this. There's only one thing I would love to see besides the Liar being convicted and sentenced to death and that would be Lee getting busted for lying under oath and some jail time for him. I would love to see that!!:biggrin:

Lenamon has pretty much pointed us in the direction of bipolar disorder all along. It's not a defense, but it would explain her behavior to a degree, including her high energy levels (which her phone records seem to verify). Or IMO anyway.

You know, if Morgan can prove one single thing that Lee has sworn to is a lie, he can use that to discredit him. And I'm not sure that Luka would be able to rehabilitate him. Right off the bat, I remember that he told Morgan early in the deposition, that he knew Casey was lying about not being in Orlando, but then shortly after, Lee says that he believes everything that Casey says (said).

DrewBerry

03-04-2009, 09:29 PM

Lenamon has pretty much pointed us in the direction of bipolar disorder all along. It's not a defense, but it would explain her behavior to a degree, including her high energy levels (which her phone records seem to verify). Or IMO anyway.

You know, if Morgan can prove one single thing that Lee has sworn to is a lie, he can use that to discredit him. And I'm not sure that Luka would be able to rehabilitate him. Right off the bat, I remember that he told Morgan early in the deposition, that he knew Casey was lying about not being in Orlando, but then shortly after, Lee says that he believes everything that Casey says (said).

Yeah, Loretta. "I believe everything my sister tells me." and earlier in the deposition he said she lied to LE. Of course, he didn't use the word "lied",I know this is petty, but Lee gives me the creeps. I hate those eyebrows and his evil, inappropriate laugh.

DrewBerry

03-04-2009, 09:44 PM

I see him as arrogant. He thinks he pees perfume. I think California is just a tad smaller than his ego. He and his sister love to show that Ipanna smile, don't they?

Who does he look like anyway? Not George, that's for sure. Maybe Cindy got the wrong baby at the hospital when he was born, or maybe Zanny's mother kidnapped the real son.

Ha, Ha!! Yeah, he's pretty full of himself. I think he's in deep chit just like his precious CMA!!

lorettalockhorn

03-04-2009, 09:55 PM

If i were the prosecution i would fight the bipolar disorder Mach 90-she very well could fall into this but i would point out she had alot of energy cuz she never friggin worked. And from some of the earlier interviews with G if fact he stated he was the one typically prepping and having breakfast with Caylee. I am sure the princess needed her sleep from her late night work hours eh LOL. Thanks for your PM Loretta-your a gem. :hat:

Gem, eh? So speaking of, did you find the family jewels you were looking for?!

Okay, on NG tonight she opened with the BOMBSHELL that the defense is looking to lay the blame on R Morales, but them I didn't hear the details. Anyone? Does the defense think that because RM had that little pic of an old poster "Win her over with chloroform" that that means that he used chloroform on Caylee? Is he a pedophile? Is that why he chloroformed Caylee? To abuse her?

I'm lost!

One2Snoop

03-04-2009, 10:09 PM

What kind of banana? Chiquita? Yellow gold? Turbana? Delmonti?

http://i40.tinypic.com/169nu42.gif http://i43.tinypic.com/2im2s5z.gif http://i40.tinypic.com/21obzfa.gif http://i41.tinypic.com/2j63i1g.jpg

One2Snoop

03-04-2009, 10:55 PM

Can someone explain to me where this 'new addition' fits into the defense? He's from CA, and specializes in planes, trains and automobiles...How does that figure in with intentional murder of a 2 year old child?

http://i40.tinypic.com/jze9f8.gif 15 minutes of fame?

Justice Denied?

03-04-2009, 11:10 PM

LOL I thought it was a banana.

I thought I remember this picture and the porn pic were used to compare to see if it was really her. It was on another site. OK, my memory just aint what it used to be LOL.
That's what I thought at first, until I saw the whole series. Look at the one or two before it. In one of them she has eaten about half the burrito.

Justice Denied?

03-04-2009, 11:15 PM

Can someone explain to me where this 'new addition' fits into the defense? He's from CA, and specializes in planes, trains and automobiles...How does that figure in with intentional murder of a 2 year old child?

Maybr hey feel this case is fast becoming a train wreck. It's for sure going 90 miles an hour down a dead end street.:D

javahog

03-05-2009, 12:45 AM

What Casey has in her mouth in #10 is a burrito as in the previous 2 pictures. Look at the color of the tortilla. Also, check out the shirt. It is the same one.

I think we're talking about different pictures entirely. What I saw was no photoshopped burrito nosh. And it was very professional, lit, professional make-up, costume such as it was, not a cell phone photo someone had fun with. It was definitely a real porn incident, really the only debate is who the girl is. Personally, looked like her to me...

We'll likely know more in 24 hours, that's what they keep talking about for the next dump. Of course, I think we all know it will come when the server is down, no?

javahog

03-05-2009, 12:54 AM

Goodnight fine people :) I'm going to crawl up those stairs now and crash on the sleep numbers bed.

If poppa snores I'll lower his side to 5. That makes him wake up and he can't get out of bed because it's like he's in a coffin. Just a deep flat square with a big dip in the center. Don't ever buy one of those awful things. I hate that bed.

Thanks for all the wit and insights today.

Goodnight all
:seeya:

Me go bye-bye, too...Here's to tomorrow's (I hope) doc dump...:beer:

javahog

03-05-2009, 12:57 AM

Oh lordy-not sure where ya viewed??? Care to share??? LOL So doc dump soon? Good stuff. Darn i work tomorrow! Oh well it's all good. :rose:

aargh, I feel like I'm corrupting everyone! The best I can do on the open board is suggest you go into google "preferences" and turn off the filter, the try her name with some likely words. It will be real obvious which one I mean. You will also get a good look at her lucky shamrock in another photo, btw...

ps, I wouldn't click on any of it-you don't want that anywhere near your computer!

SaraSidle

03-05-2009, 06:50 AM

Nawny i shall still eat my nanners lol- Oh lordy did i do a canadian corruption??? lol Oh well -I am Canadian Aye???? :beer: For the record I really luv the following-green,bedtime,chamomille and Roobois (African tea) luv it!!!

hagnog tootler?????? I could try it........sara

SaraSidle

03-05-2009, 06:57 AM

Ya can only corrupt the corruptable. LOL sleep well-I should be off to soon.

Can I be corrupted? sara

sharlock

03-05-2009, 07:11 AM

Well we all know that but they have to put on a defense. I'm just throwing out maybe's??? Where else would they go with this new guy? I know its rubbish but they are counting on a jury that is not as privy as us who read every tidbit. This case could be still a year away. Can u imagine the faded memories of folks a year from now. Heck many of us here question many details as there are so many cuz we just cant remember all. MOO
I really can't imagine where they could introduce RM as a suspect but I have read some of the spins they were considering chucking JG's way. They are saying JG made a number of phone calls to Universal around the same time as Casey was making her flurry of calls and they are trying to say it can't be that he was calling his mum who worked there because ph records show ihe called her on her mob just before these calls. Desperate imo. For starters how do they have JG's phone calls and why couldn't he be ringing his mum or one of her workmates. He has a reason to call Universal. There is more but it is all as baseless as the above accusatory statement.:rolleyes:

Native Alien

03-05-2009, 07:58 AM

I posted the article in the news thread but has anyone else caught this.

On March 12, the lawyers will present their arguments before Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland.

Some of the issues to be discussed:

* The defense's request for the state and law enforcement to produce all DNA notes and reports and standards used to collect evidence.
* The attorney for Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, wants the judge to stop prosecutors from releasing the letter George Anthony wrote the night he threatened suicide.

eatcupcakes

03-05-2009, 11:32 AM

should be kept private if it is not rellevent to the case. However if it is made public I will be reading it for sure. LOL

Native Alien

03-05-2009, 11:39 AM

Document Dump Story....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-documents-030509,0,558721.story

starlight2000

03-05-2009, 11:51 AM

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=casey+anthony+giving+a+bj+photo%3F&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=qgKwSdaDGpmQsQPVqtSQAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

javahog

03-05-2009, 11:53 AM

Document Dump Story....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-documents-030509,0,558721.story

Well, good for Tony Lazzaro! Going undercover for the cops! Of course, they may have applied pressure...but he sure shriveled toward Casey when he realized what happened, did he not?

javahog

03-05-2009, 11:55 AM

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=casey+anthony+giving+a+bj+photo%3F&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=qgKwSdaDGpmQsQPVqtSQAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

Okay, here's the problem: you can't just post the Google link because they reshuffle the images so its not on there...you would have to post the actual link which I world of don't recommend...

javahog

03-05-2009, 12:05 PM

Nice. When she was arrested on October 14 after they ran the cops off the road, she said it was the first time she had been given her right to council...they are so going to try to get stuff like the Universal trip out of the trial...

javahog

03-05-2009, 12:09 PM

starlight2000

03-05-2009, 12:28 PM

UNLESS she has an identical twin out-there:)... BTW she is wearing that outfit (like a french maid) she has in other pics!

No wonder Baez doesn't want those pics out!

lighthousedazy

03-05-2009, 12:44 PM

UNLESS she has an identical twin out-there:)... BTW she is wearing that outfit (like a french maid) she has in other pics!

No wonder Baez doesn't want those pics out!I agree. It does look exactly like her. imo :eek:

Mojo

03-05-2009, 12:45 PM

Did you guys see that it's alleged that Cindy is having an inappropiate relationship with Domink Casey??!

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 01:00 PM

Naw i think it may take a few days before i can look at my nanners in the same light lol. Anytime from here on any of us eat a burrito or banana caution-chew slowly and dont choke lol :eek:

If you start to choke, you should spit, not swallow. :hat:

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 01:04 PM

Brad Conway made it a point to say the contents had nothing to do with the case (rolling my eyes here) but the pros have seen it, and no word about them using it has been said. So I'm thinking it is probably is like Casey's banana pictures, and they are trying to save face.........too little, too late! He's a tortured soul, who knows what else about them that will come to light? I heard 7-8 pages, either way, that's a lot of gut spilling. Do you think we should be privy to it anyway? I'm definately curious, but I don't know if it's really my business, ya know?

It would seem to me that the probative value of the note would have to outweigh the prejudicial value. And I guess in this case, the prejudice might be anything from self-incrimination (even if only imagined by George, i.e. guilt feelings), or any indications that he is not a good witness for either the prosecution or defense.

Mojo

03-05-2009, 01:10 PM

What the hay-who/what/where did u read this? Are u kidding?

It's on the link that Native Alien posted earlier

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-documents-030509,0,558721.story

Also, www.myfoxorlando.com are downloading the documents. We need Gator to read the AL one. He states where he picked up Casey the day she ran out of gas. Maybe Gator can tell us if it's close to where the body was found.

Cindy

03-05-2009, 01:55 PM

Tamarrow

03-05-2009, 02:39 PM

Justice Denied?

03-05-2009, 02:49 PM

I see him as arrogant. He thinks he pees perfume. I think California is just a tad smaller than his ego. He and his sister love to show that Ipanna smile, don't they?

Who does he look like anyway? Not George, that's for sure. Maybe Cindy got the wrong baby at the hospital when he was born, or maybe Zanny's mother kidnapped the real son.

He looks like Cindy. Her hair is probably very dark without the dye. Look at how dark and heavy her eyebrows are. JMO

Justice Denied?

03-05-2009, 02:54 PM

shadydaisy

03-05-2009, 02:55 PM

should be kept private if it is not rellevent to the case. However if it is made public I will be reading it for sure. LOL

I've got to believe it is somehow relevant. The guy was going over the ledge because of his daughter's behavior. Maybe he wrote something really incriminating to Casey.....

Well, good for Tony Lazzaro! Going undercover for the cops! Of course, they may have applied pressure...but he sure shriveled toward Casey when he realized what happened, did he not?

I do have to give him credit; I think he realized what a big mistake he made hooking up with her and he tried to do what he could to make it right. I wonder if Amy did something similar, or anyone else for that matter. Seems like she had lots of "friends" if you look at the picture.

Cindy's relationship with D. Casey certainly adds another twist to this already unbelievable tale.

One2Snoop

03-05-2009, 03:09 PM

Justice Denied?

03-05-2009, 03:29 PM

Yes thanks you lol. Aww jaazez where are they going with this one? Missed N.G. tonight. Well maybe Jesse had an iron clad alibi of his whereabouts so they have moved on to someone new? When Lee kept implying about Jesse i just figured that was an Ant strategy-to take focus off Liar in the public eye. Meaning for those who are not as savvy as us who might make it to the jury? I still think the defense is going for the accidental thing with the newest addendum to the team. I hope there is alot more in the next doc dump that will kill it. As i said in my prior post if juror's can buy into the accidental theory than she does not qualify for a murder 1 charge. Perhaps he is retained at this point if no other evidence comes forth to refute accidental. If they were to go that route-in all honesty i would have some respect for it. Good defense strategy and not something from clown college. MOO

Really great thinking. The problem I see with this is, I don't believe that Casey will ever admit she did it any way, any how. Unless Baez can convince her that it is her only chance, they can't use the "accidental" defense. Perhaps just the penalty phase, AFTER she is found guilty. JMO, MOO

One2Snoop

03-05-2009, 03:33 PM

Hi, :seeya:

I hope ya'll can clear something up for me.. I thought I read somewhere in the last doc dump that Anthony Lazzaro worked with Baez as an intern? I Also think he did some work for the sheriffs office prior to all this Casey stuff.? Do ya'll remember this?

Hey there Tam. :seeya:

Hmmmm, the only thing I remember about Lazzaro was he was attending a technical school of some sort. I think it had something to do with the film industry. I'd have to go back and look. You might be thinking of Jessie Grund but I don't think he ever worked for Baez, but he did work as a police officer for a short while and decided it wasn't for him.

I found the info posted by Gatordog about the school Lazarro was attending..

09-11-2008, 07:52 AM
Gatordog
Senior Member

Full Sail started off a couple of years ago as a small school with classes in film making, sound production, etc. They have grown tremendously but are still a strip mall which they have now taken over. They have degrees in music, art production, animation, etc. You can tell the Full Sail students right away. They are usually the people in baggy clothes and purple hair. Not all, but most.

Tamarrow

03-05-2009, 03:58 PM

I found the info posted by Gatordog about the school Lazarro was attending..

09-11-2008, 07:52 AM
Gatordog
Senior Member

Full Sail started off a couple of years ago as a small school with classes in film making, sound production, etc. They have grown tremendously but are still a strip mall which they have now taken over. They have degrees in music, art production, animation, etc. You can tell the Full Sail students right away. They are usually the people in baggy clothes and purple hair. Not all, but most.

Thank you both.
There has been so much information, it's getting hard to keep it all straight. :shrug:

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 03:59 PM

I've got to believe it is somehow relevant. The guy was going over the ledge because of his daughter's behavior. Maybe he wrote something really incriminating to Casey.....

I do have to give him credit; I think he realized what a big mistake he made hooking up with her and he tried to do what he could to make it right. I wonder if Amy did something similar, or anyone else for that matter. Seems like she had lots of "friends" if you look at the picture.

Cindy's relationship with D. Casey certainly adds another twist to this already unbelievable tale.

I can't help but wonder how many of Casey's friends truly liked her or trusted her or had her lack or motivation and values.

UGH Cindy + D Casey is just ooky. The guy comes off like a blithering idiot in the recorded interview. But maybe that's what she likes. And maybe he's easier to control than George.

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 04:00 PM

Thank you both.
There has been so much information, it's getting hard to keep it all straight. :shrug:

Hey Tamarrow, we better hope that TruTV covers this trial so that we can be reminded of the details that we will have forgotten by the time it gets in front of the judge!

Mojo

03-05-2009, 04:01 PM

If it was accidental, which it wasn't, Casey would probably be convicted of a lesser crime such as 2nd Degree Murder, Manslaughter or Criminally Negligent Homicide. Don't forget they have all those neglect charges and lying to LE also.

If they decide to pick the "accident" defense, wouldn't Casey have to get on the stand and say what happened and admit all her lies?

Tamarrow

03-05-2009, 04:24 PM

Hey Tamarrow, we better hope that TruTV covers this trial so that we can be reminded of the details that we will have forgotten by the time it gets in front of the judge!

Oh my goodness, I sure hope they do. I would be lost without being able to see what is going on.. I'm planning to record it while im at work. :D

Justice Denied?

03-05-2009, 04:26 PM

Well, good for Tony Lazzaro! Going undercover for the cops! Of course, they may have applied pressure...but he sure shriveled toward Casey when he realized what happened, did he not?

This is the man Casey murdered Caylee to be with?

Cindy

03-05-2009, 04:53 PM

If they decide to pick the "accident" defense, wouldn't Casey have to get on the stand and say what happened and admit all her lies?

Exactly....

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 05:44 PM

Or maybe he is a good witness and he'd rather be dead than sit in that witness box?

Not to say that anyone in that family has anything more than shabby morals. I expect them all to lie under oath.

IMO

HAH! I think I'll be shocked if they come out with anything new on the stand, i.e. The Truth. We're so inured to hearing their ridiculous lies. It just seems like the note would be like any other evidence and would have to provide substantive proof of Casey's (or anyone's) involvement in Caylee's death, and that would have to be much stronger evidence than that George wanted to die (for whatever reason).

I'm curious if it would have worked for the admitting physician to claim the note as part of George's hospital records and thereby privileged. Anyone? Amy, can you help us here?

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 06:14 PM

I would like to believe that the Ants will come clean but I don't. Unless, (and that's a big unless,) they are faced with a choice.

I want to think the suicide letter belongs to the author, dead or alive but I suppose in a murder case, it might be evidence.

If he wrote something like "I covered up the hole in the back yard for her, but the dogs still picked up the scent and I know she did it in the house etc, etc..... " That might be considered evidence, right?

There was something said about his loyalty to Casey when the news of it first came out, wasn't there?

Well, the example you cite would certainly be directly connected to the crime and would be considered probative. I wonder if he made some declaration in the note, it might be considered an excited utterance, or similar to a deathbed confession or something.

lighthousedazy

03-05-2009, 06:58 PM

I believe that Casey is capable of making good eyes go blind in men. She's got those bodacious ta ta's and there are not too many men that can look at her face when she's talking. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find DC attracted. Remember what Anne Boleyn (sp) did to King Henry after all. She made him change the course of history, all for sex.

There is one man who didn't find her attractive enough to go blind and that was Lenard P. I know most of us think he's a fool, but he wasn't a fool for her. Women like her, hate men who can't be sexualized by her ta ta's. So, she threw him out.Good point Dani. For some reason I am wondering if actually Bozo was trying to draw attention to these (less than ladylike) pictures by trying to have them blocked. :o I'm not going there though. lol jmo

One2Snoop

03-05-2009, 06:59 PM

One2Snoop

03-05-2009, 07:10 PM

3-5-09 UPDATE: SERVER MIGRATION tonight

Amy

03-05-2009, 07:21 PM

With the DP off the table, that leaves Baez free to bumble around. If/when the DP comes back, someone else has to take first chair since Baez is not death qualified. That kinda makes me think that The State has taken G&C's feelings into consideration and that the death penalty won't come back.

Otherwise, with a non-qualified attorney in charge of the case for most of the pre-trial hoopla, would that be automatic grounds for appeal? (Of course, I realize that there are automatic appeals in the case of a guilty verdict in a death case.)

I would think the way to get around that would be for the defense to (surprise, surprise) request a delay until such time a qualified attorney could be found and "get up to speed." Isn't LKB qualified? She is involved in the defense of the case, even tho she isn't in "the lead." Seems she would not have to take time to "get up to speed," she should be on top of everything by now.

Amy

03-05-2009, 07:27 PM

Well, Richard has ranted aplenty about how the Ants tried to implicate his wife in the kidnapping, and someone posting as him has threatened legal action online. The guy gives me the heebie jeebies, so I haven't kept up with this offshoot of the case.

I must have been asleep @ the wheel when this info came out--didn't see/hear/read Mr Grund talking about his wife, just Jesse. Didn't read anything about it in the papers, or see it on NG or anything--exactly how DID they (or Casey) implicate Mrs Grund?

Amy

03-05-2009, 07:29 PM

Yes.

I think it was in his interview that George said the FBI showed him some really bad photos? I wanted to vomit and I'm not even her dad.

I remember his about to throw up, needing to take a break to get some fresh air, in either the LE or FBI interview. The instance I recall is when he was talking to them about the smell of the car, and what it could mean. IIRC

Amy

03-05-2009, 07:39 PM

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They'll have to, since I know they will be pointing out she wasn't buying anything for Caylee, and the defense is all about Zani telling her to go to Target...wow, what did Zani have against Amy, lol?!

I tho't when it came out that the state, whomever, would not be trying her on the lesser charges (Lying to police, neglect of child, stealing Amy's money, using her checks, etc) until after the murder trial, that the discussion was that, this IS to Casey's advantage. If they held this trial before the murder trial, her "record" could be used against her in the sentencing phase, but as it is, she will go to the murder trial with a "clean record."

If she hasn't been charged and found guilty of the thefts, etc--can they be used in her murder trial? @ this point, since one is innocent until proven guilty, this information can only be used as "alleged" accusations. IMO.

Amy

03-05-2009, 07:50 PM

I guess these aren't all the photo's correct? There are few new ones but we've pretty much seen all the ones at this link. :confused:

I have a question--DD isn't around to ask right now. Exactly what is represented by the hand signals the girls were making in all those pics? TIA

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:15 PM

Yeah, Loretta. "I believe everything my sister tells me." and earlier in the deposition he said she lied to LE. Of course, he didn't use the word "lied",I know this is petty, but Lee gives me the creeps. I hate those eyebrows and his evil, inappropriate laugh.

He has a prissy mouth--very effeminate, IMO. And, a smug, I-know-all attitude. I'm one smart dude, and if I "think" before I answer a question, I will be able to phrase it in such a way that I won't have to tell exactly the truth, just some mistruths (or whatever Cindy says) that would have a little bit of truth, but I won't give away anything that will hurt my sister's case. I'm smarter than all those lawyers and detectives, and will get away with it, cuz they are too dumb to see thru me, too dumb to actually get the facts against my murdering, lying sister.

That's just how he comes across to me. I couldn't stomach watching all of the interview. I had trouble watching his memorial service performance long enough to get to the biting of the wrist part. I was waiting for it, but he all of a sudden, in mid sentence brings his wrist up and smacks. (Which is why I believe what some had posted, that, with the laptop, he might have been waiting for a signal from Jose that Casey was watching.)

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:17 PM

Just watching NG--some of the skull things, like the apple made into a skull--my nephew better watch out. He sent a forward months ago (not related to this case, he isn't following it) that had that exact same pic, along w/some others. Different ways someone made skulls out of different types of materials.

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:25 PM

I just wanted to throw this out for us to kick around if so inclined. Would we surmize from the latest addition to the def. team-the so called "accident" expert lawyer that is the def. focus? Could it be Bozo realizes she is not going to get off based on the evidence. Not even going to go there on the Nanny thingy. So if my thinking is correct the jury cannot convict on a Murder 1 count if they were inclined to believe it was accidental? We all know it's not but if thats the way it works and some hot shot can convince a jury it was accidental-she walks? Am i correct on this? Jeez if i am perhaps Bozo is not as stupid as we think?????

Not according to the th NG had on, I think it was during the weekend reruns. They were saying something along the lines of if it were an "accident" say, she had been using Chloroform routinely to keep Caylee quiet and asleep while she partied, it would be murder while committing another crime, and THAT is a death penalty issue.

Kind of like, the fellow who uses a gun to hold up the 7-11. He doesn't plan on USING the gun, as to shoot the clerk, but he has it and during the robbery, it goes off even accidentally and kills the clerk or a customer, he's in real big deep doodoo. Murder one, because it occurs during the commission of another crime.

I guess, the only question would be, is it a crime (not should it be a crime) on the books in any state to say one cannot use a sedative or sedative-like potion on one's child to put him/her to sleep? That is, without a specific prescription from a physician. I'm not sure there is a law, and, if there isn't, can it be considered a crime until such time it goes into a law? It surely is a moral and ethical issue.

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:30 PM

LOL LOL.... You're a wicked, wicked woman. :patriot:

I like the 4th banannnnnnnnnnnnnna...he's cute.

But bananas 3 and 4 just stand there, they don't do anything. Well, I guess # 3 is LAYING there, not doing anything, lol.

kksback

03-05-2009, 08:34 PM

Goodnight fine people :) I'm going to crawl up those stairs now and crash on the sleep numbers bed.

If poppa snores I'll lower his side to 5. That makes him wake up and he can't get out of bed because it's like he's in a coffin. Just a deep flat square with a big dip in the center. Don't ever buy one of those awful things. I hate that bed.

Thanks for all the wit and insights today.

Goodnight all
:seeya:
Trying to catch up abit, but this post has me so tickled! I want one of these beds if they can stop snoring AND slow them down in the morning.

Also, I've confirmed my "undercarriage" theory. I'm convinced that's a boy on the pole with Casey and he's got a small pickle.

kksback

03-05-2009, 08:38 PM

The most interesting declaration was Hoover's account of an alleged jail incident involving red licorice, Baez and his client, Casey Anthony, as told to him by Dominic Casey.

"He [Baez] started eating on one side and you know, she [Anthony] was eating the other side so it looked like they were kissing through the glass or something," Hoover told investigators. "Yeah, kind of like spaghetti thing."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,558721.story

Said it was like Lady and the Tramp scene.....wonder where the lady is?
OMG. Is this for real? I knew it!
K. I've gotto read and not respond to every post.

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:39 PM

javahog

03-05-2009, 08:45 PM

The most interesting declaration was Hoover's account of an alleged jail incident involving red licorice, Baez and his client, Casey Anthony, as told to him by Dominic Casey.

"He [Baez] started eating on one side and you know, she [Anthony] was eating the other side so it looked like they were kissing through the glass or something," Hoover told investigators. "Yeah, kind of like spaghetti thing."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,558721.story

Said it was like Lady and the Tramp scene.....wonder where the lady is?

That is so not taught in the Boalt School of Law, lol!

What kind of lawyer IS he?!

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:52 PM

Thanks for the canadian Aye. And yes what would make Liar so special in this world to have a young rich Nanny who had no children of her own-who babysat for free-or do i have that one wrong-did Liar not claim that Caylee's fee was included in her co/worker friend Jeff son's nannysitting fee-that would be the friend Jeff that has no children or nanny lol In the grand scheme of life what lesson did she need to learn. I wish she had only asked her own sub. that question before she hatched her murder plan. MOO

1. Nanny nannied for free, because she came from such a rich family she had no need of being paid.

2. Nanny nannied for free, (for Caylee) because she was already watching friend Jeff's son, and so Caylee's fee would be included in Jeff's son's fee, wonder if Jeff had to start paying more when Caylee came along, since HE was paying (according to Nanny via according to Casey) for TWO kids now?

3. Nanny nannied for Caylee for $400 a week. So, maybe THAT would be the "lesson" nanny would be trying to get Casey to learn. Such as, nanny DID NOT agree to nanny for free. Nanny DID NOT add Caylee to Jeff's bill to pay for his son. Perhaps nanny EXPECTED that $400 a week and wasn't getting it, and the lesson would be--"you need to learn to pay your bills, missy!!!!"

Man, I did it again!!!! THERE WAS NO NANNY!!!!! So NONE of these versions are true. Which is probably one reason there are so many "versions"--it's all a made up story, and she couldn't remember what she had said the other times. :punch: My Momma always said--if you tell the truth all the time, you don't have to try to remember what lie you told, and to whom. Cuz, the information is the same everytime, to everyone. Seems that Cindy didn't have the same philosophy as my Mom--or if she did, she didn't find a way to get the point across to Casey. (I think my Mom stressed the point with a few flicks of the fly swatter, to help it stick in my mind, lol.)

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 08:53 PM

The most interesting declaration was Hoover's account of an alleged jail incident involving red licorice, Baez and his client, Casey Anthony, as told to him by Dominic Casey.

"He [Baez] started eating on one side and you know, she [Anthony] was eating the other side so it looked like they were kissing through the glass or something," Hoover told investigators. "Yeah, kind of like spaghetti thing."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,558721.story

Said it was like Lady and the Tramp scene.....wonder where the lady is?

HAHAHA Sounds like a scene from Tramp and the Tramp. I have serious doubts that Jose got licorice in to Casey, and I believe jail personnel that doubt it happened since the attorney visitations are visually supervised.

Wonder if Hoover is lying about this, or D Casey lied to Hoover?

And where is Leonard Padilla these days?

Amy

03-05-2009, 08:54 PM

I think we're talking about different pictures entirely. What I saw was no photoshopped burrito nosh. And it was very professional, lit, professional make-up, costume such as it was, not a cell phone photo someone had fun with. It was definitely a real porn incident, really the only debate is who the girl is. Personally, looked like her to me...

We'll likely know more in 24 hours, that's what they keep talking about for the next dump. Of course, I think we all know it will come when the server is down, no?

The links to both pics are on the page previous to this, cuz I have seen both pics here tonight. And, yes, they ARE 2 entirely different photos!!! Now, I also would NOT be able to swear the "real deal" is really Casey Anthony, looks quite a bit like her, but there's just something different....and I'm not talking about the different things in her mouth, either!!! lol ;)

javahog

03-05-2009, 08:55 PM

I can't help but wonder how many of Casey's friends truly liked her or trusted her or had her lack or motivation and values.

UGH Cindy + D Casey is just ooky. The guy comes off like a blithering idiot in the recorded interview. But maybe that's what she likes. And maybe he's easier to control than George.

I had a "friend" in college who I think was like Casey, fun to go out on the town with, but if she had done this stuff, I would have faded like a wisp of smoke, too. She did get pretty far on Survivor a few years ago, though!

and....ewwww! for c+d. again i say, poor george. testify and run, dude!

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 08:56 PM

Oh my goodness, I sure hope they do. I would be lost without being able to see what is going on.. I'm planning to record it while im at work. :D

I'm kinda hoping that there is at least one short delay that will push the trial into cold weather, so it won't interfere with my outdoor chores!

kksback

03-05-2009, 08:58 PM

I would think the way to get around that would be for the defense to (surprise, surprise) request a delay until such time a qualified attorney could be found and "get up to speed." Isn't LKB qualified? She is involved in the defense of the case, even tho she isn't in "the lead." Seems she would not have to take time to "get up to speed," she should be on top of everything by now.
She IS/WAS on top of eveything. Below, sideways, you name it.

I find it very unlikely that Casey will admit anything. Even an accident. She's too arrogant, self-righteous with that (I'm the victim attitude). IMO, she will go to trial (just like SP) and truely believe that she is going to walk.

I don't think they will bring the death penalty back simple because because some jurors may have young kids like that and find it too difficult to put them to death. I believe the DA thinks he has a much better chance of murder 1 and then put that liar in "general population."

I personally want to see her TRY and strutt that way in general population. She'll get what she deserves for a loooooong time.

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 08:59 PM

javahog

03-05-2009, 08:59 PM

HAHAHA Sounds like a scene from Tramp and the Tramp. I have serious doubts that Jose got licorice into Casey, and I believe jail personnel that doubt it happened since the attorney visitations are visually supervised.

Wonder if Hoover is lying about this, or D Casey lied to Hoover?

And where is Leonard Padilla these days?

Two thoughts on LP: one, he didn't exactly nail those prints on the duct tape. Two, well, that cease and desist letter was pretty clear...

Amy

03-05-2009, 09:00 PM

Yes this judge will certainly find his head doing lots of 360's thru it all. Was the note not something like 10 pages? I remember at the time thinking how lengthy. Wonder if it's full of Liar tidbit's ? Obv. there is something in it. MOO

This is one day he will certainly be earning his keep, as we say!!!! Guess some of the stickier cases make up for days when a judge might be stuck with boring, mundane cases that require more trying to stay awake than using their legal brains.

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 09:01 PM

I must have been asleep @ the wheel when this info came out--didn't see/hear/read Mr Grund talking about his wife, just Jesse. Didn't read anything about it in the papers, or see it on NG or anything--exactly how DID they (or Casey) implicate Mrs Grund?

R Grund talks about the case from time to time at myspace. I'll find the link. (I think he's creepy so I don't read him unless Jesse has come up in the news.)

RG's myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/rjgrund

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:02 PM

That is so not taught in the Boalt School of Law, lol!

What kind of lawyer IS he?! I totally doubt the veracity of Hoovers story as the jail said that they do not have those kinds of visiting rooms anymore and have not had since 2003 so how is this possible? The jail does not back this up at all. Also I find it hard to believe that with people watching and I don;t mean in the room listening because the lawyer communication is privileged but they are watched, I don't believe Jose would jeopardize his career for this kind of shenanigans. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a good lawyer but I don't think he is an idiot.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:05 PM

The Lee/Casey tape played again on NG. I really think she is being truthful when she is saying, all she wants is for Caylee to be home again. NOT necessarily because she would LOVE to have to worry about who would watch Caylee when she (Casey) wanted to party. But, more along the lines that WOW!!! Here I sit in JAIL for pete's sake, and I'm not having fun @ all and I miss the clubs and I miss my cell phone and the texting. Like, she is regretting that she killed Caylee only as it affects HER, Casey, and her freedom @ this moment. Not as it affects her and the A's in missing Caylee, in not having Caylee around, Caylee not being able to grow up, heck to even be THREE!!!! But, just "Dang, if I hadn't killed Caylee, I would still be able to make it to the Fusion somehow." Just how it seems to me.
I couldn't agree more. She's realized that her 'dream' of being a mom with a missing kid is not ever going to come through. I think she really thought she'd be just like one of those pitiful moms on the missingkids websites that she checked out before she killed Caylee.

Also, Just by reading the last few pages, I don't have a clear idea on the suicide note. Are they going to use it in court?

When George did that, I remember hearing that George had confessed his love and belief of innocence for Casey in that note. What am I missing? TIA.

BTW, good to see ya'll. I've escaped some drama and come here to get away from it.:)

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:05 PM

I remember his about to throw up, needing to take a break to get some fresh air, in either the LE or FBI interview. The instance I recall is when he was talking to them about the smell of the car, and what it could mean. IIRC

In one incident, he was talking about the car and he actually threw up on camera.

In the photo incident, he was talking about seeing the pictures and said he wanted to be sick, actually he was sick (to paraphrase).

I'd say George has a weak stomach, but then I think about the context, and I give him the nausea without judgment.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:07 PM

She IS/WAS on top of eveything. Below, sideways, you name it.

I find it very unlikely that Casey will admit anything. Even an accident. She's too arrogant, self-righteous with that (I'm the victim attitude). IMO, she will go to trial (just like SP) and truely believe that she is going to walk.

I don't think they will bring the death penalty back simple because because some jurors may have young kids like that and find it too difficult to put them to death. I believe the DA thinks he has a much better chance of murder 1 and then put that liar in "general population."

I personally want to see her TRY and strutt that way in general population. She'll get what she deserves for a loooooong time. There are statistics that show that jurors are often less likely to convict when the death penalty is on the table. I think Nancy should kind of let it go as she is not the prosecutor on this case and she does not really know all that they know. First of all, it is probably the right decision. They should not overreach and I kind of doubt they have strong forensic proof that this was intentional. I believe it was and I believe there is probably circumstancial evidence to point to it, but to prove it,enough for jurors to be comfortable with the death penalty.?? I think they are doing the right thing. You can't be emotional about the case if you are the prosecutor, you have to look at what will get thrown at you and know what you have to present. Nancy by the way really , really got on my last nerve tonight.

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:08 PM

I totally doubt the veracity of Hoovers story as the jail said that they do not have those kinds of visiting rooms anymore and have not had since 2003 so how is this possible? The jail does not back this up at all. Also I find it hard to believe that with people watching and I don;t mean in the room listening because the lawyer communication is privileged but they are watched, I don't believe Jose would jeopardize his career for this kind of shenanigans. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a good lawyer but I don't think he is an idiot.

Hey, you're right! The booths are all video. Clearly JB has been in the room with her since he got in trouble for snuggling her, but then they wouldn't need separate swizzlers, would they? This seems, off somehow...

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:09 PM

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Two thoughts on LP: one, he didn't exactly nail those prints on the duct tape. Two, well, that cease and desist letter was pretty clear...

This Hoover guy is kind of reminding me of LP. And it's funny, but I think the last I remember hearing from Lenny is when Kronk's attorney moved to put the kibosh on him and the response was "saddle up".

Besides Leonard, we haven't seen Larry Kobilinsky(?) in a while either. Oh! And speaking of Nancy Grace (okay we weren't), not only was Gumby Perper on tonight, but Mark Klaas out and out called for the death penalty for Casey. I'm in loveX2! (Was wishing that NG had tie to ask him about RAD's death penalty appeal.)

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:13 PM

Wow. Hoover. Candid Camera. What a pig.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:14 PM

I totally doubt the veracity of Hoovers story as the jail said that they do not have those kinds of visiting rooms anymore and have not had since 2003 so how is this possible? The jail does not back this up at all. Also I find it hard to believe that with people watching and I don;t mean in the room listening because the lawyer communication is privileged but they are watched, I don't believe Jose would jeopardize his career for this kind of shenanigans. Don't get me wrong I don't think he is a good lawyer but I don't think he is an idiot.
This makes sense. After thinking about it, Jose wouldn't do that in a jail with a client. Hoover is full of it. Like LP, he likes to "embolish" things or perhaps just make stuff up. (So ppl talk about it)IMO.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:14 PM

JVM showed the Casey/Caylee feel good video all warm and fuzzy and ask what effect it will have on the jury. Well, remember Scott and Laci's wedding photos and how beautiful and fairy tale like that looked. I seriously doubt a juror will sit through the whole case with the evidence they have and then all of a sudden see that video and say,"Aha that melts my heart, Casey must be innocent." Courtrooms see warm and fuzzy , loving, sweet photos and videos every day but men and women still kill each other and kill children in those photos. I sometimes think JVM is a bit too warm and fuzzy period for my taste. She talks constantly about criminals as victims, blah, blah, blah. Maybe I am a cynic or a hard ass lol

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:15 PM

This Hoover guy is kind of reminding me of LP. And it's funny, but I think the last I remember hearing from Lenny is when Kronk's attorney moved to put the kibosh on him and the response was "saddle up".

Besides Leonard, we haven't seen Larry Kobilinsky(?) in a while either. Oh! And speaking of Nancy Grace (okay we weren't), not only was Gumby Perper on tonight, but Mark Klaas out and out called for the death penalty for Casey. I'm in loveX2! (Was wishing that NG had tie to ask him about RAD's death penalty appeal.)
LOL. We compared LP and Hoover at the same time. Also, Klass said that Casey deserved the DP more than anyone. That surprised me with his history.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:15 PM

This makes sense. After thinking about it, Jose wouldn't do that in a jail with a client. Hoover is full of it. Like LP, he likes to "embolish" things or perhaps just make stuff up. (So ppl talk about it)IMO.I defended LP but after the prints on the tape statement I am pretty pissed off about that.

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:18 PM

There are statistics that show that jurors are often less likely to convict when the death penalty is on the table. I think Nancy should kind of let it go as she is not the prosecutor on this case and she does not really know all that they know. First of all, it is probably the right decision. They should not overreach and I kind of doubt they have strong forensic proof that this was intentional. I believe it was and I believe there is probably circumstancial evidence to point to it, but to prove it,enough for jurors to be comfortable with the death penalty.?? I think they are doing the right thing. You can't be emotional about the case if you are the prosecutor, you have to look at what will get thrown at you and know what you have to present. Nancy by the way really , really got on my last nerve tonight.

If the Kowardly Kop had done his job back in August, they might have a cause of death.

Without it, as much as I wish it were otherwise...the DP just might not be possible. But until Fusian franchises into prison, its a good place for her.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:21 PM

There are statistics that show that jurors are often less likely to convict when the death penalty is on the table. I think Nancy should kind of let it go as she is not the prosecutor on this case and she does not really know all that they know. First of all, it is probably the right decision. They should not overreach and I kind of doubt they have strong forensic proof that this was intentional. I believe it was and I believe there is probably circumstancial evidence to point to it, but to prove it,enough for jurors to be comfortable with the death penalty.?? I think they are doing the right thing. You can't be emotional about the case if you are the prosecutor, you have to look at what will get thrown at you and know what you have to present. Nancy by the way really , really got on my last nerve tonight.
NG does need to let go of it, but I have a feeling she's gonna harp on it until the trial, at least. NG gets on my nerves every night. I actually flip her the bird and turn the channel sometimes, while muttering bad names.

I think the prosecutor made a very wise decision in not pursuing the DP. I don't think a jury will find it very difficult to stick her in jail, forever.

I just hope there's NO PLEA.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:24 PM

I defended LP but after the prints on the tape statement I am pretty pissed off about that.
I defended him too, he was the only one looking for Caylee at one point. What am I missing about the print? Are there no damn prints?!:cuss:

Amy

03-05-2009, 09:25 PM

Brad Conway made it a point to say the contents had nothing to do with the case (rolling my eyes here) but the pros have seen it, and no word about them using it has been said. So I'm thinking it is probably is like Casey's banana pictures, and they are trying to save face.........too little, too late! He's a tortured soul, who knows what else about them that will come to light? I heard 7-8 pages, either way, that's a lot of gut spilling. Do you think we should be privy to it anyway? I'm definately curious, but I don't know if it's really my business, ya know?

I think it should not be made public. In fact, there is a whole lot about this case that I don't think should be in the public eye. Altho I am as curious as the next person about a lot of stuff, I really, really think most information should be kept for the trial. And, things that do not reflect on her guilt or innocence should not be out there for all the world to see. But, that's just my opinion.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:26 PM

If the Kowardly Kop had done his job back in August, they might have a cause of death.

Without it, as much as I wish it were otherwise...the DP just might not be possible. But until Fusian franchises into prison, its a good place for her.
yep. Couldn't you just choke that cop that didn't do his job.? I've wondered how much evidence was lost because of him. BTW~ Hi Java.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:30 PM

If the Kowardly Kop had done his job back in August, they might have a cause of death.

Without it, as much as I wish it were otherwise...the DP just might not be possible. But until Fusian franchises into prison, its a good place for her.Well Nancy really exagerates when she says if she does not get the Death Penalty she will be a princess in prison. No she won't. After she is convicted , guess what, people will forget about her. They may even stop sending money except for the nuts. And if she does get treat money she won't be living like a princess.It doesn't buy that much. Jail for someone like her is not going to be fun. Think of eating Ramen noodles and skittles and that being your biggest treats for the rest of your life. No more steak, lobster, crab legs,going to movies, fine wine, no dates with rich guys or whatever she does, it is all gone. So I wish Nancy would quit saying she is going to be the princess of the jail. It's absurd. Not to mention she will be thought of as a baby killer.

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 09:31 PM

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:34 PM

yep. Couldn't you just choke that cop that didn't do his job.? I've wondered how much evidence was lost because of him. BTW~ Hi Java. Yeah that guy I gave him the benefit of the doubt. And then I find out he fell on the wet grass and it pissed him off , so he told Kronk he was wasting the counties time, I was really, really mad. That guy should be fired. Finding in the body in August would have been so much better for the case and you are right,we might have a cause of death.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:35 PM

No, your cynicism doesn't make your butt look big! I think that video will have the opposite effect on the jury. They will see Casey for the duplicitous Janus that she is; posing for the camera, pretending in the role of loving mother while hiding her dark side for the moment. Well I heard George 's voice in the background and she was probably playing nice Mommy for him.

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 09:36 PM

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:38 PM

I think it should not be made public. In fact, there is a whole lot about this case that I don't think should be in the public eye. Altho I am as curious as the next person about a lot of stuff, I really, really think most information should be kept for the trial. And, things that do not reflect on her guilt or innocence should not be out there for all the world to see. But, that's just my opinion. I am really confused about the Sunshine Law in FLorida. I keep hearing that if the media goes to court they can get by law anything that is discoverable and yet I have heard that some stuff can be withheld. So I wonder what the truth of the matter is.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:38 PM

Well Nancy really exagerates when she says if she does not get the Death Penalty she will be a princess in prison. No she won't. After she is convicted , guess what, people will forget about her. They may even stop sending money except for the nuts. And if she does get treat money she won't be living like a princess.It doesn't buy that much. Jail for someone like her is not going to be fun. Think of eating Ramen noodles and skittles and that being your biggest treats for the rest of your life. No more steak, lobster, crab legs,going to movies, fine wine, no dates with rich guys or whatever she does, it is all gone. So I wish Nancy would quit saying she is going to be the princess of the jail. It's absurd. Not to mention she will be thought of as a baby killer.
I'm thinking the same thing. I can't wait to see her taken out of that protective cell and put with hundreds of ppl that WOULD kill to SEE their babies. When/if she makes it to general population, she's just gonna get her big butt kicked all the time.

I thought the ramen noodle with skittles was abit harsh.:shrug:

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:41 PM

Yeah that guy I gave him the benefit of the doubt. And then I find out he fell on the wet grass and it pissed him off , so he told Kronk he was wasting the counties time, I was really, really mad. That guy should be fired. Finding in the body in August would have been so much better for the case and you are right,we might have a cause of death.
Last I heard, he was off the street and behind a desk.

Amy

03-05-2009, 09:41 PM

Document Dump Story....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-court-documents-030509,0,558721.story

Kronk's statement seems to show that the bag he saw in August (light color, grey, looked like a skull beside it, or coming out of it) is NOT the bag he saw in December. It's a dark bag. He says it was closed. He hit the bag with his work stick and it "thudded," sounded like plastic or something hollow. Then he says he had to tug @ the bag two times before a skull came loose. IMO, a bag might FADE, as in a dark bag in August, a lighter bag in December, but they don't DARKEN in color. And, the skull that is IN the bag in December would not be OUTSIDE the bag in August. I could see if it were reversed, no skull in August, but by December, animals and such maybe having worked it out.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:41 PM

NG does need to let go of it, but I have a feeling she's gonna harp on it until the trial, at least. NG gets on my nerves every night. I actually flip her the bird and turn the channel sometimes, while muttering bad names.

I think the prosecutor made a very wise decision in not pursuing the DP. I don't think a jury will find it very difficult to stick her in jail, forever.

I just hope there's NO PLEA. Tonight she jumped Mike Brooks because he was saying what was in Rihanna's statement and so she started off on a tirade that he did not believe her story, which was not what he was saying at all! I like him as a host so much better than her. I wish she would take a few more days off. Every night I find something to tell Nancy to shut up about. So I hear ya.

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:43 PM

I think it should not be made public. In fact, there is a whole lot about this case that I don't think should be in the public eye. Altho I am as curious as the next person about a lot of stuff, I really, really think most information should be kept for the trial. And, things that do not reflect on her guilt or innocence should not be out there for all the world to see. But, that's just my opinion.
OK. So the issue is whether it will be made public. I don't think it should. George has the right to get it back and burn it, if he pleases, IMO.

When a cop described the letter on TV it made me uncomfortable. I don't think he should have done that, either.

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:45 PM

yep. Couldn't you just choke that cop that didn't do his job.? I've wondered how much evidence was lost because of him. BTW~ Hi Java.

Hi KK!

I just saw that Lee was so upset about giving fingerprints he pulled over on the side of the road and cried. Waaaaaaaaahhhhh! (pg.3954 of Hoover interview). And they totally talk about Nancy Grace. Talk about getting into the story...

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:46 PM

I defended him too, he was the only one looking for Caylee at one point. What am I missing about the print? Are there no damn prints?!:cuss: Well that is kind of my confusion too because is this all the discovery period? Can they in fact withhold something that important or not? I am confused. I know that they sent off some of the tape and there was supposedly no prints and then someone said it just said there were no prints of Cindy, George or Lee, so I guess we may have to wait till trial

Amy

03-05-2009, 09:47 PM

Just finished checking out the link Native posted (thx)..

Click the link underneath the story to see the photobucket pics they released.
My, Miss Casey 'do love herself'...107 pics and what, like 6 of Caylee.

Hey, she's 22 years old, but there's not much shock value in what she had on there, compared to what I've seen from others her age, putting stuff out on the internet...Whew, there are some piggy girls out there. Anyway, that brings me to the comment in the story (linked) about checking out any connection to the prostitution stuff........but they came to a dead end. You can also believe they are checking out the pic WE SAW for any possible connections.
I still say, yes, it does look like her, but I'm not bettin any money on it. Those brows are bothering me, and her eyes are bluer, but it could just be the pic. I'm very interested in finding out about the licorice stuff with Baez (but Dominick's a BS'er too so who knows...........:shrug:

And this Hoover story about Cindy getting close with DC................Maybe that's why she had him around????? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Wicked stuff!;)

Mr Allan @ the jail doesn't believe that story as it is told by Mr Casey, or was it Mr Hoover? The description does not match the practice @ the jail, according to Mr Allan. The glass partition used in the description of the story has not been in use since 2003, he says. Inmates and attorneys are in a room without partitions, watched thru the window by guards. Unless Baez was able to get Casey out of the conference area to where the partitions are for a little funny stuff. He might have done some kinky things, but I think even Mr Baez wouldn't be dumb enough to pull that.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 09:51 PM

I'm thinking the same thing. I can't wait to see her taken out of that protective cell and put with hundreds of ppl that WOULD kill to SEE their babies. When/if she makes it to general population, she's just gonna get her big butt kicked all the time.

I thought the ramen noodle with skittles was abit harsh.:shrug:Harsh? No all I meant was that Nancy makes it sound like the treats she is ordering are high dollar great things and as long as she gets these she can live like a princess. Frankly if all I had to look forward to was junk food like that , forget it, just kill me. LOL.

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:52 PM

Amy

03-05-2009, 09:53 PM

This is the man Casey murdered Caylee to be with?

It wasn't TonE, altho she DID seem to write Mrs TonE Lazzaro and things like that. Remember, whilst he was in NY, she was "shopping around" with William Willie or Walter William, some name like that. So, it would be more for being free to look around for the lifestyle she wanted, or to look around for "the right guy" which probably wasn't TonE. His apartment was a place to roost for a while, but she seems to have a history of "moving on."

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:54 PM

Well that is kind of my confusion too because is this all the discovery period? Can they in fact withhold something that important or not? I am confused. I know that they sent off some of the tape and there was supposedly no prints and then someone said it just said there were no prints of Cindy, George or Lee, so I guess we may have to wait till trial
We have the same confusion! My common sense tells me that the public will not know ALL of the 'very' damning details, because of jury bias. But then..the sunshine law. And then NOT excluding Casey's prints? I hope Java is right and some tape was not sent to the FBI and it is being held close to the vest. Surely the DA can withhold something...I'm keeping the faith.:)

IMO, there will be more discovery.

javahog

03-05-2009, 09:56 PM

No more Cindy's Chili!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hat:

Cindy's chili must be da bomb! I want some Cindy's chili!

kksback

03-05-2009, 09:56 PM

Harsh? No all I meant was that Nancy makes it sound like the treats she is ordering are high dollar great things and as long as she gets these she can live like a princess. Frankly if all I had to look forward to was junk food like that , forget it, just kill me. LOL.
Honey I was being cynical. I hope ramen noodles mixed with skittles is the best meal she ever has again.

DrewBerry

03-05-2009, 09:58 PM

This Hoover guy is kind of reminding me of LP. And it's funny, but I think the last I remember hearing from Lenny is when Kronk's attorney moved to put the kibosh on him and the response was "saddle up".

Besides Leonard, we haven't seen Larry Kobilinsky(?) in a while either. Oh! And speaking of Nancy Grace (okay we weren't), not only was Gumby Perper on tonight, but Mark Klaas out and out called for the death penalty for Casey. I'm in loveX2! (Was wishing that NG had tie to ask him about RAD's death penalty appeal.)

ITA, Loretta. I LOVED Mark K. tonight!! That man "knows one when he sees one." I would love to see him confront Cindy and Lee at some point! (I know, it will never happen but I can fantasize!) :rolleyes:

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:00 PM

Hi KK!

I just saw that Lee was so upset about giving fingerprints he pulled over on the side of the road and cried. Waaaaaaaaahhhhh! (pg.3954 of Hoover interview). And they totally talk about Nancy Grace. Talk about getting into the story...
For some reason I think Lee knew he was being watched. He's a fake, IMO.

I have so much to read.:book:.........:read:

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:01 PM

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:02 PM

There were no latent prints found on the sample referred to so far, consisting of 3 pieces of duct tape, which was submitted to the FBI.
But...isn't there a chance that the FBI wasn't given ALL the samples?

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:05 PM

My gosh. If you read the investigative report, there is all this identifying information about totally innocent people and CHILDREN who were reported as possible Caylee Anthony's!

If I were one of these parents I would be terrorized right now!!! I would feel like I had to move out of state!!!!
Really...I would be really pissed. Don't seem right...

My 22 yo daughter has a 2 yo. For example~ her myspace page is 90% of her daughter. I admit I have wondered if there's another page I don't know about. lol

Amy

03-05-2009, 10:05 PM

HAH! I think I'll be shocked if they come out with anything new on the stand, i.e. The Truth. We're so inured to hearing their ridiculous lies. It just seems like the note would be like any other evidence and would have to provide substantive proof of Casey's (or anyone's) involvement in Caylee's death, and that would have to be much stronger evidence than that George wanted to die (for whatever reason).

I'm curious if it would have worked for the admitting physician to claim the note as part of George's hospital records and thereby privileged. Anyone? Amy, can you help us here?

My area is newborns, and they don't often write such letters and notes. ;) Really, tho, I would think if it could be proven to be relevant, I mean REALLY relevant to the case, if it were privileged information, prosecution could subpeopna for it. But LE had it, I don't know if a psychiatrist could force the issue to get it away from them. It seems it's part of a police record already, in addition to being a part of his medical record. But, that is all JMO.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:05 PM

There were no latent prints found on the sample referred to so far, consisting of 3 pieces of duct tape, which was submitted to the FBI. Thanks for clarifying that but is it possible that they can publicly withhold info on other samples as long as they provide it to the defense in discovery. Because someone whose cousin worked at the State Attorneys office posted on here a long time ago saying it was not true that every single piece of evidence had to be made public as long as the defense got it. So I guess that is what I am confused about. Do they really have to release every single thing.? Nobody seems to be able to find that out, including me because I looked it up and not much to explain it. :shrug:

Amy

03-05-2009, 10:08 PM

3-5-09 UPDATE: SERVER MIGRATION tonight

No, no, they said FRIDAY or SATURDAY night!!! I work those nights, so no problem, but I planned on being on all night tonight!!!! Please say it isn't so!!!! (Why isn't there a crying icon? Or @ the least, a tantrum one, lol?)

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:08 PM

But...isn't there a chance that the FBI wasn't given ALL the samples? There is a way for them to get around it and hold onto that info for a while longer. If they do not do a written report on it and just verbally report the results then it is not discoverable till it is on paper. This is a prosecution trick , however of course, they can't just spring it on them a week before, they do have to put it in a report in a timely manner but because the trial is not at least until Oct perhaps they are sitting on that.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:10 PM

Honey I was being cynical. I hope ramen noodles mixed with skittles is the best meal she ever has again.Got it! That would be a nice thought wouldn't it:beer:

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 10:11 PM

My area is newborns, and they don't often write such letters and notes. ;) Really, tho, I would think if it could be proven to be relevant, I mean REALLY relevant to the case, if it were privileged information, prosecution could subpeopna for it. But LE had it, I don't know if a psychiatrist could force the issue to get it away from them. It seems it's part of a police record already, in addition to being a part of his medical record. But, that is all JMO.

The probative vs. prejudicial value has been brought up, but I thought you might have some idea about the medical records aspect of the note. For The State to want to use it makes me think that there may be something important in the note. I highly doubt that the prosecution wants to embarrass George.

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:13 PM

We have the same confusion! My common sense tells me that the public will not know ALL of the 'very' damning details, because of jury bias. But then..the sunshine law. And then NOT excluding Casey's prints? I hope Java is right and some tape was not sent to the FBI and it is being held close to the vest. Surely the DA can withhold something...I'm keeping the faith.:)

IMO, there will be more discovery.

There better be. Where's the toxicology? Other print info, etc?

Amy

03-05-2009, 10:14 PM

Honestly don't know if LKB is death qualified, but it would take some time for her to get up to speed on the case I would imagine. If The State reinstates the DP, I think it will have be in time for the defense to get up to speed without a big delay.

I don't know why it would take LKB time to get up to speed, she has been part of the defense team since @ least December 11, 2008. She may not have been "the lead" but she has been participating in motions and things. I can't believe she hasn't been keeping up w/things all along. I must say tho, if she is advising Jose, or he has been consulting her, either she gives him crappy advice, or he ignores her if she gives good advice.

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:14 PM

But...isn't there a chance that the FBI wasn't given ALL the samples?

Of course. There were at least 4 pieces of duct tape entered into the evidence log.

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 10:15 PM

Thanks for clarifying that but is it possible that they can publicly withhold info on other samples as long as they provide it to the defense in discovery. Because someone whose cousin worked at the State Attorneys office posted on here a long time ago saying it was not true that every single piece of evidence had to be made public as long as the defense got it. So I guess that is what I am confused about. Do they really have to release every single thing.? Nobody seems to be able to find that out, including me because I looked it up and not much to explain it. :shrug:

Someone posted a link about the Sunshine Law(s), but I've already forgotten what I read, but my understanding is that the information becomes available to the public upon The State's release of evidence to the defense. I don't think anything can be held up until the last minute, and the only thing discoverable in the courtroom is what is literally new information exposed during testimony.

And I'm still holding out/hoping/praying that Casey left behind patent or plastic prints (if no latent prints exist), and we'll find out in due time.

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:16 PM

Really...I would be really pissed. Don't seem right...

My 22 yo daughter has a 2 yo. For example~ her myspace page is 90% of her daughter. I admit I have wondered if there's another page I don't know about. lol

Mine won't be. No pervs will be seeing my kids online, so I will technically have a more "me" oriented site than Casey *shudder*

One2Snoop

03-05-2009, 10:18 PM

~Just bumping for those who may have missed it~

3-5-09 UPDATE: SERVER MIGRATION tonight

No, no, they said FRIDAY or SATURDAY night!!! I work those nights, so no problem, but I planned on being on all night tonight!!!! Please say it isn't so!!!! (Why isn't there a crying icon? Or @ the least, a tantrum one, lol?)

Here ya go http://i42.tinypic.com/35zmf.gif

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 10:18 PM

I don't know why it would take LKB time to get up to speed, she has been part of the defense team since @ least December 11, 2008. She may not have been "the lead" but she has been participating in motions and things. I can't believe she hasn't been keeping up w/things all along. I must say tho, if she is advising Jose, or he has been consulting her, either she gives him crappy advice, or he ignores her if she gives good advice.

You could be right. Heck, for all I know, she's moved to FL and is camped out in Baez's office reading documents this very minute. (Or on the Orlando Sentinel website!)

SaraSidle

03-05-2009, 10:18 PM

Hey Tamarrow, we better hope that TruTV covers this trial so that we can be reminded of the details that we will have forgotten by the time it gets in front of the judge!

Oh loretta you are so right. I have gotten to the point that my brain hurts when I think about details.........glad I am not LE,Pros and judge.......sara

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:20 PM

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:24 PM

Someone posted a link about the Sunshine Law(s), but I've already forgotten what I read, but my understanding is that the information becomes available to the public upon The State's release of evidence to the defense. I don't think anything can be held up until the last minute, and the only thing discoverable in the courtroom is what is literally new information exposed during testimony.

And I'm still holding out/hoping/praying that Casey left behind patent or plastic prints (if no latent prints exist), and we'll find out in due time.No nothing can be left till the last minute at all, but it is only discoverable when it is put in a written report or document, so it is common in most jurisdictions that prosecutors put off a written report for a time, but you are right they can't do that indefinitely. So it is possible that purposely are holding onto that little tidbit for a while longer.

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:24 PM

Mine won't be. No pervs will be seeing my kids online, so I will technically have a more "me" oriented site than Casey *shudder*
Ah ,I have warned and warned her. She's gives me that famous line "Everybody does it!"

I've heard that line since 7th grade. When does it stop?

If I could, I would delete everything she has. My other daughter will NOT put anything online and is way more responsible...go figure.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:26 PM

Of course. There were at least 4 pieces of duct tape entered into the evidence log.Another thing they sent off a long, long time ago was referred to in the first batch of documents released. It was that they sent the bag in the trash retrieved from the dumpster at the tow yard, maggots and all off for testing and I have seen nothing on the results of that. That makes me kind of curious, unless I missed it in later documents. Anybody remember seeing those results?

lorettalockhorn

03-05-2009, 10:27 PM

No nothing can be left till the last minute at all, but it is only discoverable when it is put in a written report or document, so it is common in most jurisdictions that prosecutors put off a written report for a time, but you are right they can't do that indefinitely. So it is possible that purposely are holding onto that little tidbit for a while longer.

Yes, and that could very likely be why we haven't seen any toxicity results. And if it is, I hope that means they found something. (That sounds gruesome, but Caylee can't be hurt anymore, and cause of death would be a beautiful thing!)

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:27 PM

Trying to catch up abit, but this post has me so tickled! I want one of these beds if they can stop snoring AND slow them down in the morning.

Also, I've confirmed my "undercarriage" theory. I'm convinced that's a boy on the pole with Casey and he's got a small pickle.

eeep! how'd you confirm it? no, don't tell me!

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:31 PM

Let me rant about Janie Weintraub on Headlines news. The most telling thing in her opinion in all the documents is that Ricardo put up a joke photo saying Win her over with chloroform which led Janie to believe, maybe Ricardo was the one who did all those searches on Casey's computer.And I guess the next step is he killed Caylee. Good luck with that . I mean a jury is going to want to be shown a little more evidence than that to believe Ricardo did it. Duh. Also she does not see it as problematic that Casey did not report Caylee missing for 31 days and had to be forced to. She keeps saying, the prosecution has the burden of proof, like that is her answer for everything. Uh Janie , you do have to put on some defense that makes some common sense to a jury though. She is so unrealistic. The defense is going to have to answer that and why Casey got a Beautiful Life tattoo a few weeks after her child was kidnapped, allegedly. Unless she is suggesting that after the prosecution rests their case , the defense just puts nothing on. I also had to hear her say she thinks the Supreme Court will come up with a finding that there was not enough evidence to even indict Scott Peterson. Bizarre. I assume she is talking about the CA Supreme Court. Anyways the male defense attorney on headline news makes a lot more sense. He does see that there are huge problems for in store for Caseys attorneys at least .
OMG. Jane the bulldog. (no offense to dogs) I'm glad I'm not her kid. That nut has pissed me off since the King boys were convicted in Fla. Years ago. She is crazy if she thinks SP will EVER have another day in court.She actually believes 'someone' kept laci's body and when they heard Scott's alibi, they dumped her body there. She constantly says things that gets ppl riled up. She loves to be hated, IMO.Last time I saw her she was due for more plastic surgery.

Amy

03-05-2009, 10:31 PM

If the Kowardly Kop had done his job back in August, they might have a cause of death.

Without it, as much as I wish it were otherwise...the DP just might not be possible. But until Fusian franchises into prison, its a good place for her.

I don't think Kowardly Kop would have found the bag Caylee was in, if he was looking for the bag and skull described by Kronk in his August calls. He would have been looking for a light bag with a skull outside of it, and Caylee was found in a dark bag, and the skull did not come out of the bag until after Kronk had pulled on it twice with his work stick, according to the docs put out today. IF he had seen the dark bag, the skull was not visible, so he probably would have passed over it to look for the light bag described by Kronk. IMO

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:35 PM

eeep! how'd you confirm it? no, don't tell me!
I saw a small pickle! Confirmation. It's in one photo where he's leaning back..look at the legs and thats another sign. In other photo's, his legs are intentionally pulled tight together...I just know he's sqeezing his peas, ok? I don't know why this matters..

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:35 PM

Yes, and that could very likely be why we haven't seen any toxicity results. And if it is, I hope that means they found something. (That sounds gruesome, but Caylee can't be hurt anymore, and cause of death would be a beautiful thing!) I sort of wonder if the toxicology will be a bust because unless something was being given over a period of time and is in the hair, I can't see a big blockbuster there. And actually, when I look at the forensic evidence in the S Peterson case and realize there was really hardly anything and they still got a conviction, I feel better. There was one tiny hair in a pair of pliers with Laci's mitro dna found in the boat and Scott bled in the his own truck and that was it. The jury did not even mention it, they talked about his behavior and his lies.

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:37 PM

No nothing can be left till the last minute at all, but it is only discoverable when it is put in a written report or document, so it is common in most jurisdictions that prosecutors put off a written report for a time, but you are right they can't do that indefinitely. So it is possible that purposely are holding onto that little tidbit for a while longer.
Thats what I'm hoping. If they let that out now,(if there are prints) no way would she get a fair trial.

mu8shark

03-05-2009, 10:38 PM

OMG. Jane the bulldog. (no offense to dogs) I'm glad I'm not her kid. That nut has pissed me off since the King boys were convicted in Fla. Years ago. She is crazy if she thinks SP will EVER have another day in court.She actually believes 'someone' kept laci's body and when they heard Scott's alibi, they dumped her body there. She constantly says things that gets ppl riled up. She loves to be hated, IMO.Last time I saw her she was due for more plastic surgery. Her theories and arguments are so illogical and I wonder is she , I mean does she win cases with these kinds of bs arguments?

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:38 PM

Ah ,I have warned and warned her. She's gives me that famous line "Everybody does it!"

I've heard that line since 7th grade. When does it stop?

If I could, I would delete everything she has. My other daughter will NOT put anything online and is way more responsible...go figure.

It's even beyond protecting your kids. When we'd hire, hr would look up people's names on these sites. If they saw a drunken Bacchanalian binge, guess what? Next person on the list looked real good, might not miss a lot of Mondays if you know what I mean.

The kid thing is so worrisome, too many people put pictures and towns on one site, then they yelp schools and favorite parks, then their homes can be found through zaba etc. Kids can totally get tracked if their parents let them be...yikes.

javahog

03-05-2009, 10:40 PM

No, no, they said FRIDAY or SATURDAY night!!! I work those nights, so no problem, but I planned on being on all night tonight!!!! Please say it isn't so!!!! (Why isn't there a crying icon? Or @ the least, a tantrum one, lol?)

Of course it was changed, because there was a doc dump. The Universe knows, I tell you!

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:46 PM

It's even beyond protecting your kids. When we'd hire, hr would look up people's names on these sites. If they saw a drunken Bacchanalian binge, guess what? Next person on the list looked real good, might not miss a lot of Mondays if you know what I mean.

The kid thing is so worrisome, too many people put pictures and towns on one site, then they yelp schools and favorite parks, then their homes can be found through zaba etc. Kids can totally get tracked if their parents let them be...yikes.
I totally agree. I had a puter in the dining room when they lived at home. Now...I have no say so. It kills me that I can't control them, even if they are grown. Which, out of 3, only 1 gives me abit of a hard time, so I do count my blessings.

Our friend owns the internet server here, and it's scary how fast he can tell where someone is. He's nice, but I've always wondered how many other ppl can do that.

kksback

03-05-2009, 10:48 PM

Her theories and arguments are so illogical and I wonder is she , I mean does she win cases with these kinds of bs arguments?
Not that I've seen. She tried to help 2 boys in Fla and lost miserably. I'm sure she's won things, but I think they put her mug on TV just because they know she ruffles feathers.

SaraSidle

03-05-2009, 10:52 PM

Amy

03-05-2009, 10:52 PM

Well Nancy really exagerates when she says if she does not get the Death Penalty she will be a princess in prison. No she won't. After she is convicted , guess what, people will forget about her. They may even stop sending money except for the nuts. And if she does get treat money she won't be living like a princess.It doesn't buy that much. Jail for someone like her is not going to be fun. Think of eating Ramen noodles and skittles and that being your biggest treats for the rest of your life. No more steak, lobster, crab legs,going to movies, fine wine, no dates with rich guys or whatever she does, it is all gone. So I wish Nancy would quit saying she is going to be the princess of the jail. It's absurd. Not to mention she will be thought of as a baby killer.

Princess of the prison? I don't think so..after all she will be one of hundreds of her type (not all killed their babies, but I doubt they are there for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their families.) AND, I'm betting a few who, when they find out Casey is coming to THEIR home, will have some "welcome" parties in mind for her. She starts strutting her stuff like she is "all that" and there are those who think THEY are the only "all that's" who will take her down a peg or two. She might have a way w/men, but I'm betting the women in prison won't be so taken in by her "charms." Well, I guess they would probably USE her charms for their own jollies, but I'm betting none of them will be calling her BFF. Just IMO.

Amy

03-05-2009, 10:59 PM

Tonight she jumped Mike Brooks because he was saying what was in Rihanna's statement and so she started off on a tirade that he did not believe her story, which was not what he was saying at all! I like him as a host so much better than her. I wish she would take a few more days off. Every night I find something to tell Nancy to shut up about. So I hear ya.

Surely her little ones need her @ home more and more, as they are mobile, and will be beginning to talk (sorry, I don't follow them, so don't know if that has already happened, or is yet to come) and need her influence, guidance and protection 24/7. Now, I am NOT saying that unkindly, there are ever so many mothers that would like to be stay-at-home moms, and ever so many others who have that opportunity. I'm just saying, perhaps it would be in her babies' best interest for HER to be there for them. @ least a few days a week more, and then perhaps Mike Brooks could fill in more. The problem with that, of course, is that she would probably see the light on the wall that is he more well-liked, and she might get jealous and ban him forever and either be on more herself, or get a sub no one can stand.

javahog

03-05-2009, 11:02 PM

You know how we rag on Casey's fake crying? on page 3879 Tony said the same thing, and says he's actually seen her cry, and that wasn't it!

But when he caught her watching video of Caylee with Grandpa, she was crying the same way, and no one even knew she was missing yet...she even fake cried for herself?!

Amy

03-05-2009, 11:11 PM

Let me rant about Janie Weintraub on Headlines news. The most telling thing in her opinion in all the documents is that Ricardo put up a joke photo saying Win her over with chloroform which led Janie to believe, maybe Ricardo was the one who did all those searches on Casey's computer.And I guess the next step is he killed Caylee. Good luck with that . I mean a jury is going to want to be shown a little more evidence than that to believe Ricardo did it. Duh. Also she does not see it as problematic that Casey did not report Caylee missing for 31 days and had to be forced to. She keeps saying, the prosecution has the burden of proof, like that is her answer for everything. Uh Janie , you do have to put on some defense that makes some common sense to a jury though. She is so unrealistic. The defense is going to have to answer that and why Casey got a Beautiful Life tattoo a few weeks after her child was kidnapped, allegedly. Unless she is suggesting that after the prosecution rests their case , the defense just puts nothing on. I also had to hear her say she thinks the Supreme Court will come up with a finding that there was not enough evidence to even indict Scott Peterson. Bizarre. I assume she is talking about the CA Supreme Court. Anyways the male defense attorney on headline news makes a lot more sense. He does see that there are huge problems for in store for Caseys attorneys at least .

I miss her every time!!! My heart breaks NOT!!!! Has she ever come up w/the winning quote of saying that there is no proof that Caylee was murdered? That's what she kept saying about Laci Peterson. Like, Laci just walked to the marina or maybe hitchhiked there, and walked out into the bay and drowned herself!!!! Just like, it is most unlikely that Caylee walked to the woods near grandma's help and tied herself into a plastic garbage bag, but I'm betting Janie W would say, because they have not determined a cause of death (that we are aware of) they can't SAY it was MURDER. :flamemad:

The few times I ever watched her, she goes berzerk on the defense angle, so much so that she doesn't make sense. I even get embarrassed for her saying some of the things she did--they just made her look like---well, even worse than Baez, IMO.

kksback

03-05-2009, 11:13 PM

kksback

03-05-2009, 11:15 PM

I miss her every time!!! My heart breaks NOT!!!! Has she ever come up w/the winning quote of saying that there is no proof that Caylee was murdered? That's what she kept saying about Laci Peterson. Like, Laci just walked to the marina or maybe hitchhiked there, and walked out into the bay and drowned herself!!!! Just like, it is most unlikely that Caylee walked to the woods near grandma's help and tied herself into a plastic garbage bag, but I'm betting Janie W would say, because they have not determined a cause of death (that we are aware of) they can't SAY it was MURDER. :flamemad:

The few times I ever watched her, she goes berzerk on the defense angle, so much so that she doesn't make sense. I even get embarrassed for her saying some of the things she did--they just made her look like---well, even worse than Baez, IMO.
lol...she did say those things. In her world, no one does nothing.

javahog

03-05-2009, 11:54 PM

Uggh. So in the orlando sentinel article, it says the prosecutors are not releasing all the images now. They will dribble them out as they review them. Only a couple hundred are out there right now.

It seems like there's hundreds of more pages that should be here...is it just taking a long time for the press to post them?

javahog

03-05-2009, 11:58 PM

Fake crying for yourself...so she knows how she SHOULD feel, acts it out. She says all the right things (or use too) and does the opposite of what she says. sounds about right.

Man, sitting in jail must be hell for her and her type of personality.

I wonder if she knows something is wrong with her? Like, she was doing that to "try it out" if you will, see if she could figure it out if she tried it, like "I know I'm supposed to feel something"? I'm not a psych, beats me...just trying to make sense of the crazy stuff...

mu8shark

03-06-2009, 12:26 AM

Just went and read some of the documents and a few comments. First of all, the plant guy is a wash, he can sound good to the defense and good to the prosecution. He says that the leafs on top of the bag were there probably in early fall and that some of the roots growing through the bag could have been there from 3-6 months and the big roots at least 4 months. Not definitive enough to say aha! So count that out. Also there is the matter of this guy Williams who was cited for trepassing by the school on Hopespring on OCt 21. He went into the woods with a shovel and said he was looking for Caylee Anthony because a psychic told him to look there. The defense will try to make this into something meaty you can bet. If this guy has any kind of record or any little tiny thing , they will exploit it. Never mind, he would have no access to Caylee or Casey's car, the defense will throw this up as a red herring. Was he putting a body in the woods? What did he know? Finally, there are at least 8 calls to Sheriffs Office from Anthony home from 2003 to up to the kidnapping call and one is for rescue which I am sure is George when he thought he was having a stroke. The others look to me like verbal arguments or domestic calls, that is just my guess. I kind of think that is a lot, given that I live in an apartment building where there is always crap going on and I have called like once in 4 years because guys were fighting in the hallway. I don't know it just seems like a lot to me and I think there was probably lots of fighting going on at the house. The other call says stove, so I guess I don't know maybe it caught fire or something.

mu8shark

03-06-2009, 12:30 AM

Fake crying for yourself...so she knows how she SHOULD feel, acts it out. She says all the right things (or use too) and does the opposite of what she says. sounds about right.

Man, sitting in jail must be hell for her and her type of personality. Funny you should mention fake crying and acting stuff out, because that is my theory on the heart on the tape and the blankie and toy, To me it is Casey showing herself she is a concerned, caring person , like this was just something that was meant to be and she is not a horrible person, it just happened and she is still warm and fuzzy, loving Mommy. Sociopaths do a lot of acting out in front of people and I suspect in private they even get caught lying to themselves. Does that make sense?:eek:

mu8shark

03-06-2009, 12:33 AM

I miss her every time!!! My heart breaks NOT!!!! Has she ever come up w/the winning quote of saying that there is no proof that Caylee was murdered? That's what she kept saying about Laci Peterson. Like, Laci just walked to the marina or maybe hitchhiked there, and walked out into the bay and drowned herself!!!! Just like, it is most unlikely that Caylee walked to the woods near grandma's help and tied herself into a plastic garbage bag, but I'm betting Janie W would say, because they have not determined a cause of death (that we are aware of) they can't SAY it was MURDER. :flamemad:

The few times I ever watched her, she goes berzerk on the defense angle, so much so that she doesn't make sense. I even get embarrassed for her saying some of the things she did--they just made her look like---well, even worse than Baez, IMO.There was one defense lawyer during Laci trial that actually threw it out there that Laci commited suicide. I am not sure who it was, but it kind of sounds like a Janie theory.

javahog

03-06-2009, 02:00 AM

You know...

If LE had Tony Lazzaro wear a wire...might they have had others wear wires? Could we hear about others?

Who would you like to have been wired, and what do you think they would have recorded?

NMurphy02

03-06-2009, 08:35 AM

Let me rant about Janie Weintraub on Headlines news. The most telling thing in her opinion in all the documents is that Ricardo put up a joke photo saying Win her over with chloroform which led Janie to believe, maybe Ricardo was the one who did all those searches on Casey's computer.And I guess the next step is he killed Caylee. Good luck with that . I mean a jury is going to want to be shown a little more evidence than that to believe Ricardo did it. Duh. Also she does not see it as problematic that Casey did not report Caylee missing for 31 days and had to be forced to. She keeps saying, the prosecution has the burden of proof, like that is her answer for everything. Uh Janie , you do have to put on some defense that makes some common sense to a jury though. She is so unrealistic. The defense is going to have to answer that and why Casey got a Beautiful Life tattoo a few weeks after her child was kidnapped, allegedly. Unless she is suggesting that after the prosecution rests their case , the defense just puts nothing on. I also had to hear her say she thinks the Supreme Court will come up with a finding that there was not enough evidence to even indict Scott Peterson. Bizarre. I assume she is talking about the CA Supreme Court. Anyways the male defense attorney on headline news makes a lot more sense. He does see that there are huge problems for in store for Caseys attorneys at least .

I cannot STAND that woman! Her voice drives me crazy and when she starts yammering over people I have to change the channel. I'm sure she's there to be devil's advocate and she does it well, but I can't watch her. JVM is starting to irk me too. If I never see another story on "Octomom" I'll die a happy woman. Quit giving her publicity JANE and move on to other stories. Geesh.

shadydaisy

03-06-2009, 10:02 AM

Princess of the prison? I don't think so..after all she will be one of hundreds of her type (not all killed their babies, but I doubt they are there for stealing a loaf of bread to feed their families.) AND, I'm betting a few who, when they find out Casey is coming to THEIR home, will have some "welcome" parties in mind for her. She starts strutting her stuff like she is "all that" and there are those who think THEY are the only "all that's" who will take her down a peg or two. She might have a way w/men, but I'm betting the women in prison won't be so taken in by her "charms." Well, I guess they would probably USE her charms for their own jollies, but I'm betting none of them will be calling her BFF. Just IMO.

You are correct. There is a social dynamic in prisons. It is acceptable to kill your husband/boyfriend - respected. Crime committed involving drugs - ok. Child abuse - not so good. Killing a child - bottom rung. She won't be with what we would consider general population. I don't know much about FL female prisons, but generally child abusers/killers are housed together. If convicted of murder she'll be sent to a maximum security facility.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 10:06 AM

I would have loved to be a fly or a recorder on the wall in the Anthony house. I think whey would have recorded a come ta jeeezis meeting with Cindy George and Lee. Cindy would have chaired the meeting and began it with::cuss:

Listen you A hole's,,, stop talking stupid in public!:cuss: The next jack ass who shoots his foot is going down by my wrath. :flamemad:I want you to say, "Casey is perfect! She is incapable of deception, Perfect! Ya hear!" :cuss:

:flamemad:You're both on the time out bench for saying things that will hang our perfect child! :flamemad: Starting with YOU George, with the interview and you know what I am talking about, Now ZIP IT! :cuss:

Remember, I got the goods on both of you, so if you don't want your skeletons jumping all over Nancy G, shut the eff up!:flamemad:

:cuss:

Speaking of Come to Jesus and bat sh!t crazy; what about Cindy taking a baseball bat to the cross (the one that Lee snatched up out of the front yard?) and destroying it while screaming out investigators' names? :eek:

If any of what Hoover has to say that is damaging (and to be believed) that's got to be it!

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 10:16 AM

He has a prissy mouth--very effeminate, IMO. And, a smug, I-know-all attitude. I'm one smart dude, and if I "think" before I answer a question, I will be able to phrase it in such a way that I won't have to tell exactly the truth, just some mistruths (or whatever Cindy says) that would have a little bit of truth, but I won't give away anything that will hurt my sister's case. I'm smarter than all those lawyers and detectives, and will get away with it, cuz they are too dumb to see thru me, too dumb to actually get the facts against my murdering, lying sister.

That's just how he comes across to me. I couldn't stomach watching all of the interview. I had trouble watching his memorial service performance long enough to get to the biting of the wrist part. I was waiting for it, but he all of a sudden, in mid sentence brings his wrist up and smacks. (Which is why I believe what some had posted, that, with the laptop, he might have been waiting for a signal from Jose that Casey was watching.)

I haven't watched all of Lee's interview yet either; his freakazoid laughter is too unnerving and so inappropriate.

I think he's lying about when he heard about Zenaida. Was it when Cindy brought Casey home and he started working on the case, or was it back in the day when a Zenaida used to hang out at the house? Why didn't he ask Casey if ZFG was the same Zenaida?

Mojo

03-06-2009, 10:18 AM

Well that is kind of my confusion too because is this all the discovery period? Can they in fact withhold something that important or not? I am confused. I know that they sent off some of the tape and there was supposedly no prints and then someone said it just said there were no prints of Cindy, George or Lee, so I guess we may have to wait till trial

My theory is that the pros are using some strategy. They are saying that the DP is off the table "for now". I think right before trial they are going to do a dock dump with some major evidence. Then come out and say now we want the DP. Try and make Bozo pee his pants and beg Liar to plead.

kksback

03-06-2009, 10:57 AM

Good Morning Chicklets!

Wasn't home last night, so I caught JVM when I woke up around 3AM :rolleyes:. Interesting thing, this video popping up now (of Casey and Caylee on youtube). Looks like Momtective has 20 videos of Caylee, and has been putting them up since Sept 15th, when she signed on. In the past 6 hours, she has put on 5 more, readily admitting they were illegally obtained. She claims she is just another person who was touched by the Caylee story. There are approximately 500 videos of Caylee, some redundant, but I'm wondering where many originated from, because not all were actually put out from the Anthonys. Who is doing this?

JVM alluded that it is someone sympathetic to Casey, ie Cindy or the defense, to show her as a loving mom, not just a picture with Caylee. Many are posting to this new one especially, reaming Lee or Cindy, saying "we know it's you, #$%&* Your daughter/sister should be killed in prison"..etc etc.

Have you guys gone on and checked this newer stuff out?

One other thing, while I was waiting in the Dr.'s office for my daughter, I checked out the People with the newest Caylee info. They pictured a peice of the duct tape, and also the cardboard with the heart sticker. Since we discussed this recently, and I hadn't seen anything of the duct tape in photos, I wanted to know who had seen this (from here). It's obviously a piece cut from the strip that was left, with what looks to be tissue substance and possibly a bit of hair (?). Just looking at it and wondering how they could get a print from the edges....whew.....God Bless 'em.

If you haven't seen it I can try to scan it and post it. (I say try because I really am puter illiterate, but I can try!)

:)
I think it is Cindy or Lee. After the way Casey treated them in court...I'm sure she gave them the feeling that they have betrayed her, and have done absolutely nothing for her. I also believe Casey blames her parents for what she HAD to do to Caylee. So, they've done something to perhaps make her not so mad. :cuss:

In the one video I saw on JVM, it looks like it could have been the summer before? That's also around the time some of those horrible pics were taken, she has short hair in them. I guess C was watching Caylee during those times, enabling Casey to be a neglectful parent.

I haven't seen any more video's...where are they? TIA and GM all.

kksback

03-06-2009, 11:03 AM

Now that would be SWEET!!!! I have heard alot of good things not only about LE but Pro's involved. Very experienced and respected. I like that. It almost seems as tho they are just moving thru this methodically-not releasing any bombshells to date but i believe yet to come. It would not suprise me in the least if your theory is not spot on Mojo.
Hi Bee~Do you want the DP? I have mixed feelings. When SP was sentenced to death, I was abit dissapointed that he wouldn't be going into general pop at the prison. I don't think it's fair that he's so protected. Even though Casey deserves the DP, I feel that LIFE would be the worse for her, because then she be with people she can't fool. People that would love to be with their kids and people that would just love that strutt she has going on.

kksback

03-06-2009, 11:06 AM

Yeah, beem, her hair is short, so it's before Caylee became so 'problematic' :rolleyes:. Sometimes she can even look pretty, but as we all know from killers you've mentioned, to many more ~ looks are deceiving. Like I told my kids, the bad man doesn't look like a piece of crap , he looks like 'anyone, anybody'...nothing stamped on their forehead (though that's an idea way past it's time!!!)

I DID IT ~ I DID IT!!!.... though I think the page is upside down (sorry) for those who didn't see this piece of duct tape...from People mag, March 9, 2009.

http://i39.tinypic.com/71tmpi.jpg Sorry, I don't know how to turn it around...I'm lucky I even got it on here!
You done good. I could never do it. I've never seen those pics and they're disturbing.

Justice Denied?

03-06-2009, 11:10 AM

I've got to believe it is somehow relevant. The guy was going over the ledge because of his daughter's behavior. Maybe he wrote something really incriminating to Casey.....

I do have to give him credit; I think he realized what a big mistake he made hooking up with her and he tried to do what he could to make it right. I wonder if Amy did something similar, or anyone else for that matter. Seems like she had lots of "friends" if you look at the picture.

Cindy's relationship with D. Casey certainly adds another twist to this already unbelievable tale.

IIRC there was a brief clip where the group was coming out of the court house or jail and Cindy put her arms around DC's neck and kissed him on the cheek. I remember thinking it was strange and wondering who the guy was. Then later it was stated it was their PI. May be wrong about the guy's identity and certainly don't have a link. JMO,MOO

kksback

03-06-2009, 11:11 AM

Funny you should mention fake crying and acting stuff out, because that is my theory on the heart on the tape and the blankie and toy, To me it is Casey showing herself she is a concerned, caring person , like this was just something that was meant to be and she is not a horrible person, it just happened and she is still warm and fuzzy, loving Mommy. Sociopaths do a lot of acting out in front of people and I suspect in private they even get caught lying to themselves. Does that make sense?:eek:
Makes alot of sense and I totally agree with you. She knows how she's "suppose" to act. I wonder if she ever just gets tired of having to put on an act every minute of every day. It seems like these type of ppl actually believe the lies they've told. Maybe that's the only way they can handle themselves.

kksback

03-06-2009, 11:18 AM

You done good. I could never do it. I've never seen those pics and they're disturbing.
I wanted to add that I told my kids the same thing when they were little. I might of overdone it, though. One day, while shopping, this old man sitting on a bench in a store ask my son if he liked fishing. My son wouldn't answer and I was embarrassed because he was rude. He was about 7. Well, about 10 minutes later, in the check out lane, this old man says something about playing to my daughter and my son starts screamimg "HES GOING TO TAKE HER MOM!!! MOM!!!MOM!!!! HES GOING TO KILL HER!!! MOM!!!!!....

I was horrified and feel sorry for that old man in the overalls to this day.

DrewBerry

03-06-2009, 11:18 AM

I cannot STAND that woman! Her voice drives me crazy and when she starts yammering over people I have to change the channel. I'm sure she's there to be devil's advocate and she does it well, but I can't watch her. JVM is starting to irk me too. If I never see another story on "Octomom" I'll die a happy woman. Quit giving her publicity JANE and move on to other stories. Geesh.

ITA, N. JW is the worst! I've noticed that NG doesn't have her as a guest anymore. I wonder why?;) We need more stable, intelligent women on TV. JW is a loon. Susan Moss is great. She always has something profound to say and tells it like it is! JMO.
DrewB

Justice Denied?

03-06-2009, 11:21 AM

Not according to the th NG had on, I think it was during the weekend reruns. They were saying something along the lines of if it were an "accident" say, she had been using Chloroform routinely to keep Caylee quiet and asleep while she partied, it would be murder while committing another crime, and THAT is a death penalty issue.

Kind of like, the fellow who uses a gun to hold up the 7-11. He doesn't plan on USING the gun, as to shoot the clerk, but he has it and during the robbery, it goes off even accidentally and kills the clerk or a customer, he's in real big deep doodoo. Murder one, because it occurs during the commission of another crime.

I guess, the only question would be, is it a crime (not should it be a crime) on the books in any state to say one cannot use a sedative or sedative-like potion on one's child to put him/her to sleep? That is, without a specific prescription from a physician. I'm not sure there is a law, and, if there isn't, can it be considered a crime until such time it goes into a law? It surely is a moral and ethical issue.

IMO that would be child abuse, at the very least. JMO

kksback

03-06-2009, 11:22 AM

Hey KK- I really have mixed feelings with the DP and it has nothing to do with the fact i am Canadian and we dont have the DP. Having said that i guess the only opine i can support at this point is-I alway's respect the jurors decision-death or not. I would truly like to see Liar spend her days in prison due to the type of criminal she is. I guess my views are dependant on the crime. I want her to suffer and i think the rest of her life in prison with no men,Fusion, etc etc. will be tough for her. I like that. Now sexual predator's different story-I say fry em. I hate the thoughts of them re-living their sick crime over and over in their heads and deriving great pleasure from it. They are all a waste of skin and air space but i want them to experience a lack of the pleasures they held so valuable. So there again it's crime dependant.
I agree. Child predators/rapist/killers should be hung on the lawn at the courthouse for everyone to see. I don't believe in any rehad for these animals and they ARE a total waste. IMO.

BTW~ My dad wants to live in Canada. I get a speech about once a week about how we should ALL move to Canada. He says that's his dream.

DrewBerry

03-06-2009, 11:23 AM

Speaking of Come to Jesus and bat sh!t crazy; what about Cindy taking a baseball bat to the cross (the one that Lee snatched up out of the front yard?) and destroying it while screaming out investigators' names? :eek:

If any of what Hoover has to say that is damaging (and to be believed) that's got to be it!

Holy Bat Chit, Robin!! I love that footage of Cindy walking around with that damn baseball bat! Demonstrates what a nutcase she is. The more I read the docs, the more I believe we're just getting a glimpse of the tip of the iceberg.
Little Caylee didn't stand a chance in that nut-house. JMO.

kksback

03-06-2009, 11:27 AM

I have to get to work and reorganize 6 file cabinets. :(

Ya'll have a great day.

Mojo

03-06-2009, 11:42 AM

Hi Bee~Do you want the DP? I have mixed feelings. When SP was sentenced to death, I was abit dissapointed that he wouldn't be going into general pop at the prison. I don't think it's fair that he's so protected. Even though Casey deserves the DP, I feel that LIFE would be the worse for her, because then she be with people she can't fool. People that would love to be with their kids and people that would just love that strutt she has going on.

From what I understand, a person with this much notoritity will always but put in a secluded area. Whether they get life or death. It's for their own protection. I think even if Scot had gotten life he would have been put in an isolated area to keep the other inmates away from him. I'm sure someone know if this is true or not. This is just what I've heard.

javahog

03-06-2009, 11:42 AM

I would luv for C to have been recorded. I think G is wrong-Liar is not the CEO of the finger family C is. If that is true about her and DC-good gawd how much worse can this get. It certainly says alot in my mind about her state of mind at the time. At a time of heartache and grieving??? What the hay is up with that. I have lots of reading to do hopefully over the weekend. MOO

You know, the more I think about it the more sure I am more wore wires. Amy on the sleepover?

Remember when they had the house swept for bugs? I bet they were being asked questions that convinced them they were being secretly recorded!

javahog

03-06-2009, 11:46 AM

Speaking of Come to Jesus and bat sh!t crazy; what about Cindy taking a baseball bat to the cross (the one that Lee snatched up out of the front yard?) and destroying it while screaming out investigators' names? :eek:

If any of what Hoover has to say that is damaging (and to be believed) that's got to be it!

Yeah, I haven't commented on it yet because I've been relishing the purity of the image in my head. And screaming out Jose Baez, too. Wonder what that's about, lol!

Wow. Using Jesus as a pinata. That's a special kind of Moonbat.

Justice Denied?

03-06-2009, 11:47 AM

There are statistics that show that jurors are often less likely to convict when the death penalty is on the table. I think Nancy should kind of let it go as she is not the prosecutor on this case and she does not really know all that they know. First of all, it is probably the right decision. They should not overreach and I kind of doubt they have strong forensic proof that this was intentional. I believe it was and I believe there is probably circumstancial evidence to point to it, but to prove it,enough for jurors to be comfortable with the death penalty.?? I think they are doing the right thing. You can't be emotional about the case if you are the prosecutor, you have to look at what will get thrown at you and know what you have to present. Nancy by the way really , really got on my last nerve tonight.

There was a lawyer on JVM last night (Thursday) who says the prosecution doesn't have a case, much less a death penalty case. They cannot prove how Caylee died, they just have suspicions. They can't prove when she died, either the date or the time. They don't know where she died. And they can't place Casey at a location, at a certain time with the means to murder her child. All they have is a bunch of circumstantial evidence that doesn't add up to a murder conviction. That was his opinion, not mine but just in case IMO,JMO.

javahog

03-06-2009, 11:55 AM

Yeah, beem, her hair is short, so it's before Caylee became so 'problematic' :rolleyes:. Sometimes she can even look pretty, but as we all know from killers you've mentioned, to many more ~ looks are deceiving. Like I told my kids, the bad man doesn't look like a piece of crap , he looks like 'anyone, anybody'...nothing stamped on their forehead (though that's an idea way past it's time!!!)

I DID IT ~ I DID IT!!!.... though I think the page is upside down (sorry) for those who didn't see this piece of duct tape...from People mag, March 9, 2009.

*snip* Sorry, I don't know how to turn it around...I'm lucky I even got it on here!

Good Job, OS!!!
I hadn't seen it, thank you! I don't see prints coming off that duct tape. Thanks to the latent print lab for at least finding the sticker print!

Now, if the Kowardly Kop had found her when Kronk called...I bet there would be big fat Grinch prints all over it. I usually support police, but this one? No. Hope he logs in a warehouse forever, where he never needs to work with the public again.

NMurphy02

03-06-2009, 11:59 AM

ITA, N. JW is the worst! I've noticed that NG doesn't have her as a guest anymore. I wonder why?;) We need more stable, intelligent women on TV. JW is a loon. Susan Moss is great. She always has something profound to say and tells it like it is! JMO.
DrewB

LOVE SUSAN MOSS!!:rose:

javahog

03-06-2009, 12:02 PM

I wanted to add that I told my kids the same thing when they were little. I might of overdone it, though. One day, while shopping, this old man sitting on a bench in a store ask my son if he liked fishing. My son wouldn't answer and I was embarrassed because he was rude. He was about 7. Well, about 10 minutes later, in the check out lane, this old man says something about playing to my daughter and my son starts screamimg "HES GOING TO TAKE HER MOM!!! MOM!!!MOM!!!! HES GOING TO KILL HER!!! MOM!!!!!....

I was horrified and feel sorry for that old man in the overalls to this day.

It is so hard to know what to do. I have a friendly outgoing son. I am so proud he is polite to people. But then, I need to set boundaries...my biggest problem right now is he hears a knock on the door and runs to open it. I finally did it, told him there might be Bad Guys out there who might take him away :(

I don't want him to be scared all the time like I was, but these freaks are out there! One tried for me when I was 3 or 4...

javahog

03-06-2009, 12:03 PM

IMO that would be child abuse, at the very least. JMO

And child endangerment.

javahog

03-06-2009, 12:06 PM

Well that is nice to hear. I do luv Canada but have to say we spend most of our time travelling in the States or Caribbean. We really like Arizona. We are golf nuts here and love the climate-their winter climate lol. I just zone out when there and become a Zony. I say bring in caning (SP) for minor punishment lol or send them to Sheriff Joe in Maricopa County Az. Neither is a great exp. lol What part of Canada does he like? We have done a bit of travel here but not alot. It is so expensive to fly here. We cottage here in northern Ont. in the summer so when we winter the last place we want to go is here-too cold. I want my bones warmed.

Oooh, is it up by Muskoka? I love it up there. *sigh*

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 12:26 PM

Yeah, I haven't commented on it yet because I've been relishing the purity of the image in my head. And screaming out Jose Baez, too. Wonder what that's about, lol!

Wow. Using Jesus as a pinata. That's a special kind of Moonbat.

If there is a single thing that can be proved from Hoover's testimony/interview, I wish it would be this account. Something tells me iconoclasm won't go over well with the jury, and I haven't been able to stand Cindy since Day One. Her fractious comment to the 911 operator about a dead body in the damned car made me very suspicious of her vile nature. And in retrospect, thinking that she had to have some idea of just whose body it was, I loathe her attitude more and more every day.

Justice Denied?

03-06-2009, 01:32 PM

I wonder if she knows something is wrong with her? Like, she was doing that to "try it out" if you will, see if she could figure it out if she tried it, like "I know I'm supposed to feel something"? I'm not a psych, beats me...just trying to make sense of the crazy stuff...

I figure she was rehearsing for when she had to do it in front of someone who mattered. JMO, MOO

shadydaisy

03-06-2009, 01:57 PM

From what I understand, a person with this much notoritity will always but put in a secluded area. Whether they get life or death. It's for their own protection. I think even if Scot had gotten life he would have been put in an isolated area to keep the other inmates away from him. I'm sure someone know if this is true or not. This is just what I've heard.

I'm repeating myself but.... Casey would not be put in general population because the DOC is mandated to protect her (and all inmates) from harm. Baby/child killers are not well received in prison, she is extremely well known and easily recognizable. Someone already serving a life sentence for killing someone would think nothing of making an attempt on Casey. A lot of it depends on what her actual sentence is. They could possibly place her in a facility with less violent inmates who would be less likely to physically harm her, but would verbally abuse her. Honestly, the women who end up in prison are a tough group.

Justice Denied?

03-06-2009, 02:07 PM

If there is a single thing that can be proved from Hoover's testimony/interview, I wish it would be this account. Something tells me iconoclasm won't go over well with the jury, and I haven't been able to stand Cindy since Day One. Her fractious comment to the 911 operator about a dead body in the damned car made me very suspicious of her vile nature. And in retrospect, thinking that she had to have some idea of just whose body it was, I loathe her attitude more and more every day.

I personally believe that once Cindy found Casey and brought her home, she knew [B]exactly [B] whose body had been in the trunk. Remember george telling about Cindy asking him if the scent was the pizza and because he didn't want to upset her he said that it was. IMO they both knew from the moment they smelled that car that either Casey, Caylee or both were dead. Wen they found Casey alive, it had to be Caylee. And Lee reported that Cindy asked Casey, "What have you done?". I believe both G & C knew from the very beginning. JMO, MOO

lighthousedazy

03-06-2009, 02:16 PM

One2Snoop

03-06-2009, 03:12 PM

Anthony's Newest Lawyer Discusses Case
Macaluso Says Casey Anthony Shouldn't Be In Jail

POSTED: Thursday, March 5, 2009
UPDATED: 11:57 am EST March 5, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A defense team has been put in place for the trial of Casey Anthony, who is facing charges that she murdered her daughter, Caylee Anthony.

Eight attorneys will strategize over the next few months to defend Casey Anthony, and at least one of them -- Todd Macaluso -- is already openly saying the defendant is innocent.

"She should not be in jail right now," said Macaluso, who met Casey Anthony for the first time Monday.

Macaluso is a high-powered California attorney who handles a lot of civil case litigation. He's previously represented professional baseball players and the families of Marines. According to his biography, he's settled cases for a total of about $200 million for his clients and he said he has a 92 percent win rate in jury cases.

Now Macaluso will bring his talents to the eight-lawyer defense team for Casey Anthony.

"The more people and the more talent and different experience that we have on the case will certainly contribute to the best case being put on," Macaluso said. "I think everyone adds a different dimension to a very good trial team."

This is a combination that Macaluso thinks will be successful.

"I'm confident that we can win this case," Macaluso said, who said he wouldn't have joined the team if he didn't think they could win.

Part of Macaluso's confidence is based on his opinion of the state's case against Casey Anthony.

"Putting aside the quote 'junk science,' the prosecution has no evidence in this case," Macaluso said.

The "junk science" that Macaluso mentioned refers to the forensic tests that have been done in this case, including those on hair in Anthony's car and alleged evidence of decomposition.

"We just want you to wait until the evidence is presented at trial. There's an explanation for everything," said Macaluso, whose expertise is in the technical aspects of a trial and in cross-examining witnesses.

One area where the defense knows it's not winning is the battle of public opinion. Macaluso urged people to wait until the trial before making a judgment.

"The evidence is going to be very surprising to a lot of people in this community," Macaluso said.

While representing Casey Anthony could be considered a career risk for Macaluso, the attorney isn't concerned.

"If I thought she was guilty, I wouldn't be sitting here right now. I'd be in San Diego enjoying the good weather," Macaluso said.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18861050/detail.html#-

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 03:35 PM

I personally believe that once Cindy found Casey and brought her home, she knew [B]exactly [B] whose body had been in the trunk. Remember george telling about Cindy asking him if the scent was the pizza and because he didn't want to upset her he said that it was. IMO they both knew from the moment they smelled that car that either Casey, Caylee or both were dead. Wen they found Casey alive, it had to be Caylee. And Lee reported that Cindy asked Casey, "What have you done?". I believe both G & C knew from the very beginning. JMO, MOO

And when George came home that day and she was pacing and told him that we've lost her, and George asked who and she said Caylee; are we really, really supposed to believe that she meant "lost" like wandered away from the merry-go-round at the park? I think not! This woman's denial is unfathomable.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 03:38 PM

This guy Macaluso sounds like a real gem. First he challenges Florida law for no bail on first degree murder charges, then bashes Florida weather. :hat:

lighthousedazy

03-06-2009, 03:42 PM

This guy Macaluso sounds like a real gem. First he challenges Florida law for no bail on first degree murder charges, then bashes Florida weather. :hat:
The jerk sounds like a complete idiot to me. jmo. :eek: I think they would have to pick a jury that is senseless to get a not guilty verdict. This is making me so depressed. Why does this ***** get special treatment and who is paying for it? :flamemad:

Mojo

03-06-2009, 04:06 PM

The jerk sounds like a complete idiot to me. jmo. :eek: I think they would have to pick a jury that is senseless to get a not guilty verdict. This is making me so depressed. Why does this ***** get special treatment and who is paying for it? :flamemad:

I would love to know who's footing the bill for all this mess. What this says to me is that there is going to be a whole lot of chit thrown all over that courtroom when it goes to trial. I predict we will be hearing some whoppers.

Mojo

03-06-2009, 04:40 PM

Insulting is what is. Like people are a**wipes and have no judgement when it comes to
being in a courtroom. Even if the technical aspects of DNA are not totally understandable to the layman, Common Sense and what we have seen to date of her mindset and actions tell a whole lotta story already.

Hey, who IS footing the bills for 8 lawyers? Has she sold more pictures or videos recently? Oh, that's right, they are doing it because they believe she is innocent, right?
UH HUH, Sure.....................

I think I read in the Hoover interview that C&G have already signed on the dotted line for book and movie deals. I guess they figure they can't bring her back so might as well make a buck. (sick azzh*&*&!) So in essence, Caylee will be paying for her murderer's defense.

shadydaisy

03-06-2009, 04:50 PM

I think I read in the Hoover interview that C&G have already signed on the dotted line for book and movie deals. I guess they figure they can't bring her back so might as well make a buck. (sick azzh*&*&!) So in essence, Caylee will be paying for her murderer's defense.

I'd have a better time accepting this if C&G faced reality right at the beginning of the saga. I guess the book and movie will be a work of fiction. The story as they want you to believe it.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 05:20 PM

I think I read in the Hoover interview that C&G have already signed on the dotted line for book and movie deals. I guess they figure they can't bring her back so might as well make a buck. (sick azzh*&*&!) So in essence, Caylee will be paying for her murderer's defense.

You make an excellent point if it's true, but it's disgusting if by signing over the rights to Caylee's story or whatever, Casey will profit. If you can call the cost of defense being free a profit.

Man, just when you think you cannot stand these people anymore, there's a new twist. I hope it's not true, and these people are working for Casey to put feathers in their caps.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 05:21 PM

...and the push for a change of venue continues. "Rent-a-Jerk" will ensure offense to all segments of the local jury pool. Oh, and ps Rent-a-Jerk? San Diego today, 60 degrees. Orlando today: 73 degrees.

Moron.

HAHAHA What an asshat! It's even nicer in BFE today than in San Diego!

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 05:23 PM

Amy

03-06-2009, 05:30 PM

I haven't watched all of Lee's interview yet either; his freakazoid laughter is too unnerving and so inappropriate.

I think he's lying about when he heard about Zenaida. Was it when Cindy brought Casey home and he started working on the case, or was it back in the day when a Zenaida used to hang out at the house? Why didn't he ask Casey if ZFG was the same Zenaida?

Funny about that Zenaida that used to hang around the house. He seems to be the only one who saw her there. Casey has said she has known her for (insert whichever version of years you want here) years but never, that I heard of, talked about her "hanging around the house." And, seems that George and Cindy have been consistent and adamant about never having seen nor talked to Zenaida. So, what is this, she only hung around the house when Lee was there alone? :shrug:

And, don't ya think that some of the friends who DID used to hang around the house would have mentioned about Zenaida hanging there, too, if she had? (Not Morgan's Zanny, of course, nor even Casey's Zenaida, but ANY Zenaida.)

Amy

03-06-2009, 05:45 PM

There was a lawyer on JVM last night (Thursday) who says the prosecution doesn't have a case, much less a death penalty case. They cannot prove how Caylee died, they just have suspicions. They can't prove when she died, either the date or the time. They don't know where she died. And they can't place Casey at a location, at a certain time with the means to murder her child. All they have is a bunch of circumstantial evidence that doesn't add up to a murder conviction. That was his opinion, not mine but just in case IMO,JMO.

Maybe Janie W's twin brother, lol!!! Actually we do hear a lot of that from the defense th's. Didn't see this guy, well, didn't see JW either, but going by the past times I've seen her, she kind of goes over the edge when she is a defense th.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 06:00 PM

Funny about that Zenaida that used to hang around the house. He seems to be the only one who saw her there. Casey has said she has known her for (insert whichever version of years you want here) years but never, that I heard of, talked about her "hanging around the house." And, seems that George and Cindy have been consistent and adamant about never having seen nor talked to Zenaida. So, what is this, she only hung around the house when Lee was there alone? :shrug:

And, don't ya think that some of the friends who DID used to hang around the house would have mentioned about Zenaida hanging there, too, if she had? (Not Morgan's Zanny, of course, nor even Casey's Zenaida, but ANY Zenaida.)

What in the world possessed him to tell that particular lie?!?! Just habit?

Amy

03-06-2009, 06:26 PM

Did he say this in his taped thing with Tony?

It was in his deposition to Morgan in Zenaida's lawsuit. Pretty much toward the beginning, I would think, cuz like I said, I couldn't watch much of it.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 07:22 PM

yeah. blecch. i can only stomach the transcript because of the laughter.

One of the stations had a sort of summary or some key notes, too. I have watched very little of the interview and am way behind on my reading. (Bet Team Casey is inundated too!) I'll see if I can find it again.

Page 12 of the PDF:

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18863600/detail.html

kksback

03-06-2009, 07:37 PM

It is so hard to know what to do. I have a friendly outgoing son. I am so proud he is polite to people. But then, I need to set boundaries...my biggest problem right now is he hears a knock on the door and runs to open it. I finally did it, told him there might be Bad Guys out there who might take him away :(

I don't want him to be scared all the time like I was, but these freaks are out there! One tried for me when I was 3 or 4...
My son is 23 now. I worried my over protection of him would come back to haunt me/him.
BUT...he finished College in May with a Business degree and the place where he's been banking at approached HIM for a position that was open in the bank.(he grabbed it) I've talked to his boss and she told me that he had such a polite, outgoing, mannerable attitude that he really stuck out from the other kids that came into the bank, so much so that she offered him a job.

So, I was proud as punch.

I meant to add that I'm sorry about your experience at such a young age. A man grabbed for me when I was 13, it's a long story, but he had a record and should have NEVER been out on the streets.

kksback

03-06-2009, 07:50 PM

I personally believe that once Cindy found Casey and brought her home, she knew [B]exactly [B] whose body had been in the trunk. Remember george telling about Cindy asking him if the scent was the pizza and because he didn't want to upset her he said that it was. IMO they both knew from the moment they smelled that car that either Casey, Caylee or both were dead. Wen they found Casey alive, it had to be Caylee. And Lee reported that Cindy asked Casey, "What have you done?". I believe both G & C knew from the very beginning. JMO, MOO
I agree that C&G knew...but somehow G got his hopes up and I do consider him a little more innocent in the way Casey behaves. C had complete contol of casey and deserves the hell her daughter has/will put her through.

I will NEVER forget when GVS was at their house, doing an interview and Cindy said.."When people realize what Casey's been through to protect her child they will want to give her the mother of the year award."

C had a dream, and that's what it was. Caylee would come home and Casey would look like a hero. I really think this family is dillusional(sp) sometimes.

kksback

03-06-2009, 07:58 PM

Aww, that's wonderful! You should be so proud of him, and you for pulling that off!

And yeah, I was so little, but I remember the officer at the police station telling my mom they knew the guy was "funny". So they knew, but nobody took it seriously back then. There goes Quirky Bill (or whatever) trying to grab another kid. ha ha.
Now don't that just piss you off. How horrible. No tellin how many kids suffered because of him.

I am very proud of my son. I was afraid that because I demanded to go on every boyscout trip hewould be scarred for life because no one else's mommies went!

OK. On topic, that new lawyer...Maca...sounds just like Geragos did when he took on SP case. He talked about how everything could/would be explained away at trial, when they had their turn. He warned ppl not to prejudge. He worked like crazy before trial, then when it came his turn, he did absolutely nothing. I actually thought it was intentional so that SP could get a new trial. ****ty defense.lol.

Has this attorney took this case pro bono?

kksback

03-06-2009, 08:05 PM

I think I read in the Hoover interview that C&G have already signed on the dotted line for book and movie deals. I guess they figure they can't bring her back so might as well make a buck. (sick azzh*&*&!) So in essence, Caylee will be paying for her murderer's defense.
geez...never thought of it this way. It actually makes me sick. I wish there was somebody that could bring a civil suit,but that is a moot point since there is no one even pulling for Caylee in the courtroom besides the DA. I'd even be tickled to see ole Padilla sitting over there at this point.(I wish he would)

kksback

03-06-2009, 08:10 PM

She also ratted his a** out, and didn't she testify for the prosecution? She was lucky enough not to actually have Jackie as a 'mother'...except for the biological part. Jackie got rid of her early on...have 'em and get rid of 'em. All except for Golden Bucky Boy, of course.

Remember how she talked about him hitting on the babysitter? Whooooooeeeeeeeeee. Balls.
Ann? Yes, she did. Her husband saw through Scott and they started having maritial problems because of him. I like her. I thought she was the most genuine out of that whole bunch.

Please don't let me be the thread killer again.:(

Zingo

03-06-2009, 08:14 PM

Ok, so I read the post about the San Diego attorney proclaiming Casey's innocence and saying the prosecution has no case ... he must be smokin' some that green stuff from Mexico ... And it must be pretty darn good! :beer:

Justice Denied?

03-06-2009, 09:00 PM

I agree that C&G knew...but somehow G got his hopes up and I do consider him a little more innocent in the way Casey behaves. C had complete contol of casey and deserves the hell her daughter has/will put her through.

I will NEVER forget when GVS was at their house, doing an interview and Cindy said.."When people realize what Casey's been through to protect her child they will want to give her the mother of the year award."

C had a dream, and that's what it was. Caylee would come home and Casey would look like a hero. I really think this family is dillusional(sp) sometimes.

It does seem that both Cindy and Casey make up these fairy tales about these perfect fantasy worlds and then try to go live in those worlds. Casey is probably having a great time right now living in the dream world of all the things she will do when she gets out. No reality anywhere. I honestly wonder what they think about at 3am when they wake up and can't sleep.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 09:44 PM

SaraSidle

03-06-2009, 09:47 PM

Makes alot of sense and I totally agree with you. She knows how she's "suppose" to act. I wonder if she ever just gets tired of having to put on an act every minute of every day. It seems like these type of ppl actually believe the lies they've told. Maybe that's the only way they can handle themselves.

KK I was thinking the heart was a guilt thing. but I have no idea. You might be right. IMO sara

SaraSidle

03-06-2009, 09:52 PM

Yes Yes thats her name-Susan Moss-I really like her-yes she yells and her voice is something that has to grow on ya. I really do like what she says-she is a voice of reason and sounds like most of what us here think. NG is about on my last nerve. I would like to see Mike Brooks and Susan Moss take it over. Voices of reason. MOO

I agree Beem. seems like I always believe in Susan Moss when I watch. IMO sara

SaraSidle

03-06-2009, 10:01 PM

Good Job, OS!!!
I hadn't seen it, thank you! I don't see prints coming off that duct tape. Thanks to the latent print lab for at least finding the sticker print!

Now, if the Kowardly Kop had found her when Kronk called...I bet there would be big fat Grinch prints all over it. I usually support police, but this one? No. Hope he logs in a warehouse forever, where he never needs to work with the public again.

does this make you sick as it does me?? how much more evidence would we have if either of them had been persistent???????? imo sara

SaraSidle

03-06-2009, 10:16 PM

Speaking of fairy tales, can someone help me with Lee's explanation of Timer 55? He explained that there were 55 days between June 14th and Caylee's BDay on August 9th. But did something supposedly happen on the 14th? Why would the 14th be significant to Zani? Now when I look at the 2008 calendar and count back 55 days from 8/9, I get the 15th as Day One. That is the day of the big blow up between Cindy and Casey, and if you don't believe that George saw Casey on the 16th, it's the last time that she was seen alive. So how/why is 6/14 important?

Help me understand! Or is understanding hopeless in this case?

Gosh Loretta I am so with you here. this totally confuses me. must be I am getting old. would like to know. IMO sara

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 10:19 PM

Gosh Loretta I am so with you here. this totally confuses me. must be I am getting old. would like to know. IMO sara

Hey Sara! Meant to say that the 15th was the last time Caylee was seen alive (discounting George's report).

(Is it so wrong at this point to wish that the 15th was the last time Casey was seen alive? Must have been a Freudian slip.)

http://i36.tinypic.com/2zho681.jpg

Native Alien

03-06-2009, 10:24 PM

Speaking of fairy tales, can someone help me with Lee's explanation of Timer 55? He explained that there were 55 days between June 14th and Caylee's BDay on August 9th. But did something supposedly happen on the 14th? Why would the 14th be significant to Zani? Now when I look at the 2008 calendar and count back 55 days from 8/9, I get the 15th as Day One. That is the day of the big blow up between Cindy and Casey, and if you don't believe that George saw Casey on the 16th, it's the last time that she was seen alive. So how/why is 6/14 important?

Help me understand! Or is understanding hopeless in this case?

I think that understanding is hopeless.

I don't think that any of this is really significant because it was again, just a story that Casey supposedly cooked up to try and explain things. Once she started the fairy tale then she had to come up with the rest of the story.

SaraSidle

03-06-2009, 10:35 PM

Hey Sara! Meant to say that the 15th was the last time Caylee was seen alive (discounting George's report).

(Is it so wrong at this point to wish that the 15th was the last time Casey was seen alive? Must have been a Freudian slip.)

http://i36.tinypic.com/2zho681.jpg

Loretta what a handsome guy. Is that Leroy? I am still confused on the June 15th or 16th date. It would be nice to know the truth. IMO sara

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 10:43 PM

I think that understanding is hopeless.

I don't think that any of this is really significant because it was again, just a story that Casey supposedly cooked up to try and explain things. Once she started the fairy tale then she had to come up with the rest of the story.

You're probably exactly right, but didn't Detective Lee wonder what the significance of the 14th is/was? Why would someone with his ace investigative skills buy into this lie from his lying sister to the point that he could re-tell it with such aplomb? And under oath?

Whack. They're all whack.

lorettalockhorn

03-06-2009, 10:45 PM

Loretta what a handsome guy. Is that Leroy? I am still confused on the June 15th or 16th date. It would be nice to know the truth. IMO sara

It's Sigmond! In his Freudian slip!! :hat:

SaraSidle

03-06-2009, 11:01 PM

It's Sigmond! In his Freudian slip!! :hat:

Of course it is. how could I miss that??????????? sara

lorettalockhorn

03-07-2009, 12:05 AM

Quirky Bill? We had Chester the Molester here. They must be related. They should just put them in a cell with some straw on the floor and throw them a sheep or a goat to keep them company. Those pervs would fk a keyhole. They don't need to take our children.
:flamemad:

I object on behalf of the sheep or goat. Just give them a keyhole!

One2Snoop

03-07-2009, 12:08 AM

lorettalockhorn

03-07-2009, 12:12 AM

LMAO - Detective Lee...

http://i44.tinypic.com/vnm4qd.jpg

BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHA Maybe when this is all over, he can go to work with D Casey. :D:hat::biggrin:

lighthousedazy

03-07-2009, 01:32 AM

Yes i agree-leave those poor animals alone LOL If they cant find a keyhole i am sure they could find a snake somewhere.
I agree, but if America got back to the basics of justice such as the caning in China, and in the Middle East, if you steal you lose a hand, or if you rape you lose a ???, and all the criminals were not protected by the bleeding heart liberals, then maybe there would be less crime in this great country of ours. My problem is when the guilty can walk free or get by with a little slap on the wrist, but I will be the first to stand up for the wrongly accused also, so I do think we may have a good justice system. May caysee reap what she has sewn. jmo :flamemad:

shadydaisy

03-07-2009, 07:11 AM

My Scottish-Canadian brother in law told me a joke: Why do Scotsmen wear kilts?........Because a sheep can hear a zipper at 50 yards!

And before anyone objects-told by a Scot to a person who is part Scot who passed it on to you. The sheep can feel free to object, as they don't think its funny.

That is funny - I'll be passing it along to a couple of people but not to my sheep. I have 14 lambs this year.

Native Alien

03-07-2009, 07:17 AM

You're probably exactly right, but didn't Detective Lee wonder what the significance of the 14th is/was? Why would someone with his ace investigative skills buy into this lie from his lying sister to the point that he could re-tell it with such aplomb? And under oath?

Whack. They're all whack.

Personally I think that you answered your own question with the whack remark there.

I best guess is that not one of them actually took the time to use a calendar and count the days back. Everything had to fit the fact that George saw Caylee on the 16th, and they were just guessing on everything else.

Native Alien

03-07-2009, 07:28 AM

I agree, but if America got back to the basics of justice such as the caning in China, and in the Middle East, if you steal you lose a hand, or if you rape you lose a ???, and all the criminals were not protected by the bleeding heart liberals, then maybe there would be less crime in this great country of ours. My problem is when the guilty can walk free or get by with a little slap on the wrist, but I will be the first to stand up for the wrongly accused also, so I do think we may have a good justice system. May caysee reap what she has sewn. jmo :flamemad:

I happen to agree with you. The only problem is that you will get the innocent mixed in with the guilty. Here in Ohio we have had several men that were convicted of rape set free due to project innocence. There is another one that is scheduled for this coming week.

Native Alien

03-07-2009, 07:30 AM

Based on my travels, fear will prevent many criminal acts. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to live under sharia...but bring back when criminals were breakin' rocks in the hot sun. We're all out here losing houses and they get molly-coddled. No wonder so many re-offend just to go back...

I agree and I really wish that we had more Sheriffs like that one in Arizona.

Zingo

03-07-2009, 09:45 AM

Well, the 14th was a Saturday, making the day before...Friday the 13th! Clearly Jason of Camp Crystal Lake is Caylee's father, and Casey was encoding the message to Lee to look into his batty mother. The lesson that Casey was supposed to learn was to give up her wanton ways, as we all know what happens to the bad girls at CCL...

That is IT, Java! You've cracked this case WIDE open! :beer:
I can't believe we mised the Friday the 13th clues previously. Caylee went missing in the days just after Jason's birthday. It's so obvious now. ;)

(Incidentally, my wedding anniversary is June 14th. It will be 12 years.)

lorettalockhorn

03-07-2009, 12:46 PM

Well, the 14th was a Saturday, making the day before...Friday the 13th! Clearly Jason of Camp Crystal Lake is Caylee's father, and Casey was encoding the message to Lee to look into his batty mother. The lesson that Casey was supposed to learn was to give up her wanton ways, as we all know what happens to the bad girls at CCL...

Now see? I'm clueless about Jason and all that!

You know, I wish Caylee's father, whoever the heck he is, would/could step up at this point and be a spokesman for her. The sycophANThonys aren't going to do it; someone needs to. The poor sap probably doesn't even know that he had a daughter. I never thought it was all that important for Caylee to have a father, but who'da thunk that The Finger Family would betray Caylee the way that they have?

One2Snoop

03-07-2009, 05:07 PM

Casey Anthony case: Where did video of Caylee playing come from?
posted by halboedeker on Mar 7, 2009 3:06:25 PM

If you've been wondering about the source of that footage of Casey Anthony playing with daughter Caylee, we have someone speaking up.

I've heard from Momtective, who says, "Simply put I AM NOT CINDY ANTHONY."

Momtective says the video was found Sept. 19 and she downloaded it and put it in a public YouTube account. The footage received heavy play on Friday.

I was struck by this line from Momtective: "I do know right from wrong and profiting from the death of a 2 year old baby is wrong."

Momtective's full statement is at http://www.momtective.wordpress.com/

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/03/casey-anthony-case-where-did-video-of-caylee-playing-come-from.html

Woostock

03-07-2009, 06:24 PM

do any of you think casey knows who the father is? And does he know?
I suspect her messing around days are over!!!! But I wonder if she realizes that?????There is a part of me that wonders if José has led her to believe this is a temporary situation...you know, the dream team....

SaraSidle

03-07-2009, 07:43 PM

One2Snoop

03-07-2009, 08:08 PM

I'm leaning toward 75%+ (:D) that Casey does NOT know who the father of Caylee is. I could be wrong.

Reason #1...If she did, she would have hit him up for $$. Believe that.

Reason # 2...If she really did know who he was and he is DEAD, she would have claimed his Social Security for Caylee. No one to get flack from if she could have proved it, huh.

Reason # 3...she would have gladly shared the parenting with him to put it up Cindy's a**. Plus, more freedom. We know now, she wasn't That attached to Caylee.

Reason 4...Do we believe she is capable of a one night stand, not really knowing who he is? Yep.

There just might be some guy walking around that was with her, that is questioning this whole thing...

but he ain't steppin one foot near THIS case. It's too late anyway. Caylee's gone.

I forget the one guys name now, but someone posted his pic side by side with Caylee, and that was the best resemblance out of anyone ever. Who knows who I mean?

That would be JP Chatt that you're thinking of OS...

http://i43.tinypic.com/mwulgj.jpg

Native Alien

03-07-2009, 08:41 PM

That would be JP Chatt that you're thinking of OS...

http://i43.tinypic.com/mwulgj.jpg

Snoop I would almost positively say that you got it right. That resemblance is almost uncanny when you see them side by side like that. Wasn't he a roommate of Lee's at one time?

Gatordog

03-07-2009, 09:02 PM

TeeeeeeeeeHeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Wondering what George put in that suicide note that can be so embarrassing to the family? I'm sure this judge is sorry he got up that morning and was assigned thiiiiiiiisssssssss case.........

Whew.

What else can be made public that can cause more embarrassment to this family?

Gator

Gatordog

03-07-2009, 09:23 PM

I would like to believe that the Ants will come clean but I don't. Unless, (and that's a big unless,) they are faced with a choice.

I want to think the suicide letter belongs to the author, dead or alive but I suppose in a murder case, it might be evidence.

If he wrote something like "I covered up the hole in the back yard for her, but the dogs still picked up the scent and I know she did it in the house etc, etc..... " That might be considered evidence, right?

There was something said about his loyalty to Casey when the news of it first came out, wasn't there?

If i recall correctly, the Chief of Police in Daytona found the letter in George's car. He was a cop and knows how the letter could be use. I think he would be very aware of what he was writing and wrote to exhonerate his daughter.

Gator

SaraSidle

03-07-2009, 10:58 PM

Quirky Bill? We had Chester the Molester here. They must be related. They should just put them in a cell with some straw on the floor and throw them a sheep or a goat to keep them company. Those pervs would fk a keyhole. They don't need to take our children.
:flamemad:

that does not mean we should give them our animals either IMO sara:eek:

SaraSidle

03-07-2009, 11:01 PM

SaraSidle

03-07-2009, 11:05 PM

SaraSidle

03-07-2009, 11:08 PM

I wont even get into my DH's family tree LOL He is Danish. Came over on the Stockholm in 57. He and our sons are very dark skin color,brown eyed and brown hair. He has alot of gypsy in him. I know from the bit of his family tree there was raping and pillaging. I think it's interesting- he just does not wanna go there? I dont get it LOL

beem. I got the same story from my mom. she had black hair and her family was from Ireland. when I asked her what was up with that since her 3 sons were blond and 2 daughters were redhaired and she said it was because the Spainiards had raided Ireland and raped all the women. whatever........ never heard of that.....lol IMO sara

SaraSidle

03-07-2009, 11:11 PM

Yep, we told our parents and they stayed silent. (Been there)

I remember my parents talking about the little girl across the street from our house back in the 60's when I was a kid. The child told her mother that the man next door (a single teacher) took her in his house and exposed himself to her. This brave mother called the police and stayed on it. Eventually it went to court and they tore that little girls story apart. She had to be ten years old. I even remember his name. Even my parents didn't believe the girl. She had a short leg from Polio too!

This (I think) may have been the reason parents kept it hushed up when a child squealed on the perp. The child would be raked over the news and no one believed children. So we didn't get a good body count on perps then. I'm glad they changed the laws.

I went to a rally/seminar at our state university a few years ago and the speakers were the four men who exposed the priest, Father Porter, who molested them as children when they went to Catholic school. They wrote and sang a song called, "Lying Perpetrator's Syndrom"

They won a lawsuit against the diocese for millions and the train began to roll. Good for them! The story was in the news for a while and a few documentaries stated how one of them started his search for others who were molested by the kinky priest and they all learned how it contaminated their lives with depression, alcoholism, etc. Bad stuff!

Not that money will fix the wrong that was done, but it validates them and that's good.

Danagher that is such a wonderful post. happened to me by a lawyer's son and was hidden under the rug. so true and it still is true. wish more would come out.............IMO sara