Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Gatordog]

Defense says it was cruel to tape her without her knowing?! How cruel was it that she put @#%&* duct tape over her daughters mouth while killing her, and left her dead in the trunk for days. Pffftt.

Speaking of the duct tape, we are not being told something here. If there are no fingerprints, some kind of fibers from cloth gloves would be on there. If they were latex or rubber gloves, that tape would have trace of that. No way, no how, to leave traces of NOTHING.

So, what is it? They are keeping something real quiet.

She's in jail - there is no expectation of privacy. There are cameras everywhere. It's not like she's staying at a Marriott. The defense are idiots.

I did hear yesterday that pieces of latex were being examined.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think the tattoo and the timing of the tattoo are very likely to totally inflame the jury.

Me too. When I first heard of that tattoo, i thought of it as a tribute to Caylee. I think it's a tribute, but to the life that she gave and then took away.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I have a question for anybody would read the whole D Casey interview. Cindy says that she sent someone out there prior to Dec 11 to look at that area and there was no body. Yet nowhere in D Caseys interview does he admit it was him, in fact he points to Kiomaries interview and the psychic and denies Cindy sent him out there. Do you think he is lying and Cindy told him to go there or do you think she is lying to get Casey off? Or do you think she sent someone else out there and if so , who?

Only person I can think of is Dennis Milsted of Kidfinders.

Gator

[mu8shark]

She's in jail - there is no expectation of privacy. There are cameras everywhere. It's not like she's staying at a Marriott. The defense are idiots.

I did hear yesterday that pieces of latex were being examined.

Gator I totally agree and sometimes JVM and some of her lawyers exagerate. JVM ask the lawyer on there if this case could be hurt by them videotapping Casey and then trying to bring it in as evidence and the defense lawyer said it could be a gaping hole in their case. Now look if they did something improper the tape won't come in, plain and simple , he made it sound like it will derail the whole case. Also why does Nancy continually ask questions and then answer over people? She just gets worse and worse from her really rude treatment of Mike Brooks who is an excellent investigator and moderator on her show to her laying into that female lawyer on her show last night. I am so sick of her rude, mean spiritied , sometimes misleading coverage. That diary entry is very important and as much as I want them to prove that is from 08 and not 03, the other night she did not even really present it as it could possibly be from 03. I tend more towards Casey or Cindy doctored that and tore the other pages out, because the other pages referred to things that could obviously be placed in 08 but can she just present things and let us decide what we think as opposed to leaving things out. Also I agree Nancy goes too far in her victims advocacy she defends every single thing a victims family does, even if some family member pooped on the steps of the police station to voice their displeasure, I swear Nancy would defend that by saying something like I would do that too or you don't know how they feel, you have not been through it.

[mu8shark]

Only person I can think of is Dennis Milsted of Kidfinders.

GatorYeah could be although that guy could not find his ass in the shower with two hands.

[javahog]

Defense says it was cruel to tape her without her knowing?! How cruel was it that she put @#%&* duct tape over her daughters mouth while killing her, and left her dead in the trunk for days. Pffftt.

Speaking of the duct tape, we are not being told something here. If there are no fingerprints, some kind of fibers from cloth gloves would be on there. If they were latex or rubber gloves, that tape would have trace of that. No way, no how, to leave traces of NOTHING.

So, what is it? They are keeping something real quiet.

I've been contemplating my butter-soft leather gardening gloves. Playing with them and some duct tape, I couldn't see any trace of cross-transfer on either even with a magnifying glass. I wonder if Cindy has more callouses than usual?

[javahog]

Okay I just finished reading the interview and what a boob. I just don't believe the psychic is the only one who led him there. Also, I am kind of intrigued because he says at the end of interview someone gave him contrary instructions not to call 911 but he specifically says it was not anyone in the Anthony family and all of a sudden he is worried about privilege. That could only be Jose Baez or someone on the defense team because as an experienced PI and I use that term loosely he knows that Cindy and George or Lee or the psychic would have no privilege, the only one whose conversation could be privileged is Jose or someone on the defense team. :shrug:

On who sent him flat out he contradicts himself. He said that tips came into the tipline and Cindy and George decided which had merit. Someone passed that psychic on to him, and since Cindy said she sent someone out in November, hello! We have a match, imo...

[javahog]

Has it been confirmed that there were absolutely no fingerprints? All I heard was George, Cindy and Lee's not on tape. Where is the actual confirmation that Caseys were absolutey not on there? It makes the source for People magazine and Leonards source look like a liar.

The FBI reported no latent prints.

[javahog]

My cousin and I discussed this very issue last night at length and I am kind of baffled because at first I thought being Casey she was too lazy to sit there and do the job. She wanted to put a washcloth or something with chloroform on it and she used the tape to secure so she could go in the other room and eat and watch tv and other stuff while she was dying. I know that sounds crass but I can accuse this girl of nothing less. But here is the rub if that is the case wouldn't there be fibers from the washcloth or even part of the washcloth at the scene ? I mean fabric would not just melt away would it? My cousin said what if it was a paper towel of some type or something thin, water, the elements etc might completely destroy it and carry it away. Nonetheless I am still confused about why she used duct tape. Also I am curious about that syringe, What would happen if you injected chloroform? Would that cause death? I know this sounds dumb but..... I just wonder if the syringe is unrelated or not,.

I noticed that there was something like a square handkerchief at the scene. There a photo of it in that group...it looks like it was folded.

[javahog]

The only problem that I have with Kronk is the statement about the skull rolling out of the bag. Didn't happen if we are to believe that there was flora growth on the skull and that it had been in situ for some time when discovered. (Don't remember where I read that about the skull's position. Anyone?)

This won't help, but in the most recent doc dump the police said that it did not roll out-there was some chat on scene about whether it had rolled or the bag had lifted when Kronk poked it with his stick, and based on what it looked like, they concluded the bag moved, not the skull. Puh-lease don't ask me for a page number though-I've been doing research for my comp illiterate mom all afternoon!

[beachbum]

Exactly getting that tattoo does not point to innocence . There is no good explanation for that tattoo at that point in time.

I dont have a tatoo myself but I am an artist and love to see the beautiful work of the artists on the tatoo shows and I often wondered why people get them and on Miami Ink one night-they explained that most of the time people get tatoos for many reasons-to remember someone that has passed, a very special person or occasion in their life, pets--etc. Well I think this was Casey's tatoo of freedom that life was now starting a new and it was now going to be beautiful.

[mu8shark]

I dont have a tatoo myself but I am an artist and love to see the beautiful work of the artists on the tatoo shows and I often wondered why people get them and on Miami Ink one night-they explained that most of the time people get tatoos for many reasons-to remember someone that has passed, a very special person or occasion in their life, pets--etc. Well I think this was Casey's tatoo of freedom that life was now starting a new and it was now going to be beautiful.Exactly no more kid to burden her.! No more fights and threats from Cindy, her Mom take that! There is not really a different interpretation that a defense attorney can come up with that makes sense to me.

[javahog]

I totally agree and sometimes JVM and some of her lawyers exagerate. JVM ask the lawyer on there if this case could be hurt by them videotapping Casey and then trying to bring it in as evidence and the defense lawyer said it could be a gaping hole in their case. Now look if they did something improper the tape won't come in, plain and simple , he made it sound like it will derail the whole case. Also why does Nancy continually ask questions and then answer over people? She just gets worse and worse from her really rude treatment of Mike Brooks who is an excellent investigator and moderator on her show to her laying into that female lawyer on her show last night. I am so sick of her rude, mean spiritied , sometimes misleading coverage. That diary entry is very important and as much as I want them to prove that is from 08 and not 03, the other night she did not even really present it as it could possibly be from 03. I tend more towards Casey or Cindy doctored that and tore the other pages out, because the other pages referred to things that could obviously be placed in 08 but can she just present things and let us decide what we think as opposed to leaving things out. Also I agree Nancy goes too far in her victims advocacy she defends every single thing a victims family does, even if some family member pooped on the steps of the police station to voice their displeasure, I swear Nancy would defend that by saying something like I would do that too or you don't know how they feel, you have not been through it.

Nooooo, don't give Cindy any ideas!!!!

I really don't get how often LE went back to the house. So much was left so long that could be altered or destroyed by the family if they so desired...

[mu8shark]

The FBI reported no latent prints. There sure seems to be a debate about this in the media about what the docs said on that? Not to be a pain in the butt but does somebody have a page number on that?

[mu8shark]

This debate about the fingerprints going on in other board and I am posting a reply that someone put on there "Sentinel current article says no finger prints found on duct tape. Reports do not state this fact. The report only states that there were no latent prints matching George, Cindy, or Lee on the duct tape. Thought it odd that the report does not address elimination of Casey's latent prints from the duct tape. Could this omission of facts be deliberate? Will it be addressed at a later date? " This is why I want to see exact page on report but it is so crucial if they are maybe withholding this.

[javahog]

There sure seems to be a debate about this in the media about what the docs said on that? Not to be a pain in the butt but does somebody have a page number on that?

Page 3781

do i rock or what?

"The requested latent print examinations were conducted, but no latent prints were detected."

[mu8shark]

Nooooo, don't give Cindy any ideas!!!!

I really don't get how often LE went back to the house. So much was left so long that could be altered or destroyed by the family if they so desired...Here is my take on that. I get it because search warrants are not open ended , they are specific usually and they could not have seized trash bags, laundry bag, stickers, etc before they found the body because what reason was there to seize those items before they knew Caylee was found in a trash bag inside of a laundry bag with duct tape and stickers. You would not just routinely seize anything in the house that a body could be put in. You would have nothing to compare it too or a legal reason to take it in the search warrant. Only after they found the body did they have a reason to seize those items.

[beachbum]

NG was on Dr Phil in the AM yesterday... Topic of the moment was OctoMom. Nancy starts ranting about how changing her childrens diapers is her job, no matter how tired, busy etc. That it's no ones responsibility but the moms and how dare she/octo put this on the grandmother or anyone else to help her blah blah blah. (sorry run on!)

She goes on to say how Exhausting it is, getting up, feeding her two, going to work and coming home and feeding, baths, playtime ~ why she even goes to work soaking wet from just giving john david his bath, that she is totally burnt and exhausted.

OK. I understand . I know. I was 7 when my mom had twins, so guess who was little mommy? But if you can't take the heat, Nancy get out of the fricken kitchen. ok. You don't take it out on your Guests. Mike Brooks was the recipient of that yesterday, big time. If it's not Susan, it's Richard Herman (:rose:), who she can't abuse right now. If not them it's someone else.

Time for a time out, Nancy. You are abusive. If you mom hasn't told you so, your husband should. Aint right, lady. Take a chill pill and pass the torch.


It really surprises me that NG has her children's pictures on her show. I know she has alot of admirers and she is a proud mother but she also has a lot of people that do not like her. If I was in her position I would NOT have my childrens photos on tv. I would say that is as scary as having childrens photos on the net. I believe we are advised as parents to keep our kids pictures off the net yet night after night she is showing her kiddo's on the tube. I dont know it just scares me as a mother. JMO

[javahog]

Here is my take on that. I get it because search warrants are not open ended , they are specific usually and they could not have seized trash bags, laundry bag, stickers, etc before they found the body because what reason was there to seize those items before they knew Caylee was found in a trash bag inside of a laundry bag with duct tape and stickers. You would not just routinely seize anything in the house that a body could be put in. You would have nothing to compare it too or a legal reason to take it in the search warrant. Only after they found the body did they have a reason to seize those items.

I guess if they could convince a judge it was a primary crime scene then they could have sealed the residence?

[javahog]

It really surprises me that NG has her children's pictures on her show. I know she has alot of admirers and she is a proud mother but she also has a lot of people that do not like her. If I was in her position I would NOT have my childrens photos on tv. I would say that is as scary as having childrens photos on the net. I believe we are advised as parents to keep our kids pictures off the net yet night after night she is showing her kiddo's on the tube. I dont know it just scares me as a mother. JMO

She's nuts. I briefly had my baby as my avatar, but my hubby wisely objected. But on this mommy board I go to, they all have these elaborate signatures with names, dates of birth, nice photos, cities of residence. Then they decided to do a gift exchange with real addresses. Yikes! I finally said, how do you know I'm a mommy? I could be a 50 year old male trucker on his way to Reno getting some jollies for all you know!

[Native Alien]

This debate about the fingerprints going on in other board and I am posting a reply that someone put on there "Sentinel current article says no finger prints found on duct tape. Reports do not state this fact. The report only states that there were no latent prints matching George, Cindy, or Lee on the duct tape. Thought it odd that the report does not address elimination of Casey's latent prints from the duct tape. Could this omission of facts be deliberate? Will it be addressed at a later date? " This is why I want to see exact page on report but it is so crucial if they are maybe withholding this.

What I have seen so far is that there was a request to do a comparison on latent prints with Cindy, George and Lee. That tells me that they put the request to do a latent print comparison for Casey on a separate request, which would make sense. That way they can hold just that one report up until they are ready for it to hit the defense.

[javahog]

What I have seen so far is that there was a request to do a comparison on latent prints with Cindy, George and Lee. That tells me that they put the request to do a latent print comparison for Casey on a separate request, which would make sense. That way they can hold just that one report up until they are ready for it to hit the defense.

:shrug: They said flat out that there were no latent prints detected. Not that they found none that matched those folks. It looks clear to me that they had nothing to compare to, there were simply no prints. And that means no casey prints either. Unless there is another piece of duct tape where there are Casey prints and they were so clear there was no need to ask FBI for that comparison (we have yet to see all the evidence remember). but the samples they provided-no latent prints detected.

[mu8shark]

I guess if they could convince a judge it was a primary crime scene then they could have sealed the residence?Well that is kind of the point, they did not have anything to lead them back to the Anthony house per se till they found the body and as soon as they did they got another search warrant. As far as sealing it, I am not sure that would be really worth it 6 months after the fact. Also I went to the document dump on fox and it only goes to 3722, does someone have the direct link to that page somewhere? I would really like to look at it.

[javahog]

Totally agree with you guys about putting it all out there. Whether you are John Q public or whoever, this world is crazy. People don't seem to even need a reason to hurt another. Nuts.

A site you all might enjoy is crimerants.com, hosted by Nathan Hale and M. William Phelps. If you don't know them by name, you'll recognize their faces. They have a funny poll one might want to join in on, and it's all about current cases and cold cases..check it out. (type in Casey Anthony in search)


Java..........http://i40.tinypic.com/2jaxj0o.jpg


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[javahog]

Well that is kind of the point, they did not have anything to lead them back to the Anthony house per se till they found the body and as soon as they did they got another search warrant. As far as sealing it, I am not sure that would be really worth it 6 months after the fact. Also I went to the document dump on fox and it only goes to 3722, does someone have the direct link to that page somewhere? I would really like to look at it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18760259/detail.html

On the left hand side, "FBI submissions" one has the page in question.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a question for anybody would read the whole D Casey interview. Cindy says that she sent someone out there prior to Dec 11 to look at that area and there was no body. Yet nowhere in D Caseys interview does he admit it was him, in fact he points to Kiomaries interview and the psychic and denies Cindy sent him out there. Do you think he is lying and Cindy told him to go there or do you think she is lying to get Casey off? Or do you think she sent someone else out there and if so , who?

I read the whole thing too(Zzzzzzzz), and considering that Dom was on his way to check out Kiomarie's story (for WHAT possible reason?) when the psychic called him (DAYUM, she's good!), I'm hung up on that huge contradiction and/or the fact that he's a liar. Although he doesn't seem to understand that it is a contradiction. Cindy openly tells detectives on 12/20 that she sent someone to trespass and look for Caylee at The Zone a month earlier, but hasn't owned up to sending anyone else to any other location. D Casey talks to detectives about other leads that he followed up, but doesn't talk about actually searching any other location. More circumstance, IMO.

[mu8shark]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18760259/detail.html

On the left hand side, "FBI submissions" one has the page in question.Thanks for trying to help but I will have to find some other way to look at it, I dumped my pdf adobe reader trying to conserve space. Wonder why Fox did not have it.

[DrewBerry]

It's hard to stop rolling my eyes whenever someone suggests that Casey's defense ought to be insanity. She does not - DOES NOT - meet the LEGAL definition of insanity, even if she is mentally ill.

Think of it this way... Would Casey have killed Caylee, in whatever way she did, if someone was in the room standing next to her. Nope. She wouldn't have. Because she KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG. She took great pains to cover up the murder. Because she knew what she was doing was wrong.

See? Not knowing the difference between right and wrong is a legal defense. Killing your baby and hiding it cuz you're jealous or abused or sick and tired of her is not.

Suz (lawyer's daughter)

Hi Suz, You're right. A lot of people believe mental illness is synonymous with insanity. She's mentally ill alright but not insane. Narcisstic Personality Disorder and perhaps untreated Bipolar disorder but no post-partum depression. More like poor-me-depression.

[Amy]

I think that Casey may go with the " I was sexually abused" defense in this case and link it to a " post partum" defense to get off. imo

Sexual abuse doesn't usually get someone off. It might be a factor considered in sentencing, but doesn't have anything to do with murdering your 2 y/o baby. I don't think post partum will be brought up by the defense--post partum is evident in the early days and months after delivery--not something that shows up almost 3 years later. And, there certainly weren't any signs of a depression, especially in the days after her daughter was murdered. A depressed person might be able to go to the occasional social function and act "normal" but I don't think s/he would be able to party hardy often like Casey did.

[Amy]

Has it been confirmed that there were absolutely no fingerprints? All I heard was George, Cindy and Lee's not on tape. Where is the actual confirmation that Caseys were absolutey not on there? It makes the source for People magazine and Leonards source look like a liar.

And the National Enquirer or Globe--a big headline on the front of whichever tabloid I saw. Said that Casey's fingerprints are on the tape. The checkout line was too short for me to read the article, tho. I'm sure it would have had a lot of allegedlies in the article, anyway. :chicken:

[Amy]

I have been thinking about that tatoo. Let me set up a scenario for you because I don't have children . I can use this as a frame of reference. On another board someone reamed me for using this reference because dogs are not kids but here goes..... I adore my two dogs , they are part of my family. If one of them was taken or got loose and I could not find them and lets just say I could not tell anyone for some absurd reason., I would be so full of anxiety and depressed and worried. I mean lets just say I accept that Casey could not tell anyone for arguments sake (I don't) wouldn't she just be a bag of horrible negative emotions. I would be. I would be wondering were my dogs hungry or hurt or abused, would I see them again? Now cut to two weeks after they are missing . I would go out and get a Beautiful Life, tattoo??????? How does that compute? No matter what you are trying to hide or keep to yourself your inner emotions would not be or should not be Woo hoo time to get a Beautiful Life tattoo. And I think this may be one of the things that a jury will not be able to understand. After all most of us, child or dog missing would be thinking at that point Life sucks. And it will be the little things that get Casey, stuff like this

It is true that a dog is not a kid, but I see on boards and people I know in real life--their pets are every bit as much a part of family as children and spouses, and their reactions ARE the same for a missing pet as for a missing human family member. And most that I know would be a bundle of fears and anxiety and most certainly would not go out partying as much as possible, and probably wouldn't even THINK of a tatoo until much, much later. Say, if the family member or pet is found dead--maybe to get a tatoo in memory--but I don't think Beautiful Life would be the choice, and not just days after the "disappearance."

[Amy]

I have a question for anybody would read the whole D Casey interview. Cindy says that she sent someone out there prior to Dec 11 to look at that area and there was no body. Yet nowhere in D Caseys interview does he admit it was him, in fact he points to Kiomaries interview and the psychic and denies Cindy sent him out there. Do you think he is lying and Cindy told him to go there or do you think she is lying to get Casey off? Or do you think she sent someone else out there and if so , who?

I think Cindy has picked up on the--D Casey was in that area prior to Dec 11, and no Caylee. Kronk was in that area in Aug and no Caylee. Altho it seems neither of these fellows was in the exact that Caylee was found. So, why not make that THREE people were in the area? I don't think she sent anyone out there @ all, it just seems like adding another person "there" who did not find Caylee would sweeten the defense stance. Just IMO, tho.

[Amy]

NG was on Dr Phil in the AM yesterday... Topic of the moment was OctoMom. Nancy starts ranting about how changing her childrens diapers is her job, no matter how tired, busy etc. That it's no ones responsibility but the moms and how dare she/octo put this on the grandmother or anyone else to help her blah blah blah. (sorry run on!)

She goes on to say how Exhausting it is, getting up, feeding her two, going to work and coming home and feeding, baths, playtime ~ why she even goes to work soaking wet from just giving john david his bath, that she is totally burnt and exhausted.

OK. I understand . I know. I was 7 when my mom had twins, so guess who was little mommy? But if you can't take the heat, Nancy get out of the fricken kitchen. ok. You don't take it out on your Guests. Mike Brooks was the recipient of that yesterday, big time. If it's not Susan, it's Richard Herman (:rose:), who she can't abuse right now. If not them it's someone else.

Time for a time out, Nancy. You are abusive. If you mom hasn't told you so, your husband should. Aint right, lady. Take a chill pill and pass the torch.

"Celebrity" moms just crack me up. Sure, and you're going to tell me there is NO NANNY in the picture? So, maybe mom changes the diapers, gives the bath, but does she pick up and dispose of the dirty diapers, pick up the wet towels and clean the bathroom after the bath?

Even if celeb moms take care of the children when they are not on set--most have someone else mopping the kitchen floors, loading the dishwasher, doing the laundry, vacuuming the living room, running errands, going to the grocery store, doing the cooking, etc.

Some (altho most likely not Nancy) DO have someone in the home who are going to be either taking care of or helping to take care of the kiddlies even when the moms are @ home.

[Native Alien]

"Celebrity" moms just crack me up. Sure, and you're going to tell me there is NO NANNY in the picture? So, maybe mom changes the diapers, gives the bath, but does she pick up and dispose of the dirty diapers, pick up the wet towels and clean the bathroom after the bath?

Even if celeb moms take care of the children when they are not on set--most have someone else mopping the kitchen floors, loading the dishwasher, doing the laundry, vacuuming the living room, running errands, going to the grocery store, doing the cooking, etc.

Some (altho most likely not Nancy) DO have someone in the home who are going to be either taking care of or helping to take care of the kiddlies even when the moms are @ home.

I am so in agreement with you Amy. Sometimes you wonder what would they do if they actually had to change a diaper, or get up at night with a cranky, colicky baby.

[Native Alien]

I am posting this as a alternative theory that Casey actually injected Caylee with something. Because of the Gatorade bottle and syringe that was found in the bag with the remains.

What if Casey instead of Injecting something into Caylee, forced a toxic substance into her mouth and used the duct tape to keep her from spitting it out or throwing it up?

Seeing as there was no signs of trauma to the body, ( as far as they can tell), this would be another method of killing the baby.

[Native Alien]

OMG! I'm behind here. They found a syringe in the bag?? Ah, maybe that is what they were preparing the Anthonys about. (not fingerprints) Forgive me, I did not know this.

Wouldn't there be evidence of the drug or what ever, in the bone marrow? That SOB! It just gets worse.

Note: Why is the time wrong on this board? My time is okay,,, I think. Please put up with me, I'm just an old nawny. ;)

Inside the Disney bag with Mickey Mouse on it, there was a Gatorade bottle with the cap on it. Inside the Gatorade bottle was what appears to be a toilet paper roll, and inside the toilet paper roll is what looks to be a syringe of some sort. There was white resident and some moisture inside the Gatorade bottle.

There very well could be traces of the chemicals or drugs in the bone marrow, but I didn't see any toxicology reports in this last bunch of documents.

[shadydaisy]

Inside the Disney bag with Mickey Mouse on it, there was a Gatorade bottle with the cap on it. Inside the Gatorade bottle was what appears to be a toilet paper roll, and inside the toilet paper roll is what looks to be a syringe of some sort. There was white resident and some moisture inside the Gatorade bottle.

There very well could be traces of the chemicals or drugs in the bone marrow, but I didn't see any toxicology reports in this last bunch of documents.

I'm wondering if she dosed the gaterade with something. I have heard of mothers (using that term loosely) spiking a bottle with Dimetap or something else to make a baby sleepy. I don't know if occasional dosing would show up in bone marrow - hair samples maybe? The syringe add a whole new element. They don't say if it has a needle or not. I know with babies and animals there is a syringe that you can shoot liquid medicine in their mouth.

[DrewBerry]

Morning!

I'm one who thinks the word "Insane" should have a broader definition. Before you hit me, I don't believe Casey should be set free or put into a nut house. She should absolutely get the DP. My problem is, if she isn't classified insane, that means there are people walking the streets with her kind of head and that scares the crap out of me. :shrug:

Hi Dan. . .Thanks for the comments. I agree Liar deserves DP if the Pros. will push for it. If not, she deserves LWOP. She is not insane. And yes, there are all kinds of people like her living amongst the rest of us. Most likely to be suicidal rather than homicidal but this is JMO.

[Tamarrow]

I dont have a tatoo myself but I am an artist and love to see the beautiful work of the artists on the tatoo shows and I often wondered why people get them and on Miami Ink one night-they explained that most of the time people get tatoos for many reasons-to remember someone that has passed, a very special person or occasion in their life, pets--etc. Well I think this was Casey's tatoo of freedom that life was now starting a new and it was now going to be beautiful.

I agree. This tattoo is a celebration of her life without Caylee.

[Justice Denied?]

Hi,
I have been thinking about the duct tape too. I was thinking she would do something to make little caylee sleep while she was partying, be it chloroform or by other means. (since she didnt have anyone to babysit) She used the duct tape to keep her quite just in case Caylee woke up. This time she gave her too much causing her death. She then stuffed her in bags in the trunk. I think she started out with 1 bag and when the smell grew she added more.
She wanted her party life with her new boyfriend and friends. In reading the texts with Anthony they hadnt been able to see each other for a long period of time. (3 weeks I think). Maybe this was the catalist that started it. Because after Caylee was gone what did she do? Party and spend time with her boyfriend.


Just a couple of thoughts :shrug:

I really do not think that Casey had used duct tape before. It's too hard to get off. Bear in mind they had to cut her hair this time. And if she tried to get it off Caylee's face it would take a couple layers of skin with it. JMO

[Justice Denied?]

It's hard to stop rolling my eyes whenever someone suggests that Casey's defense ought to be insanity. She does not - DOES NOT - meet the LEGAL definition of insanity, even if she is mentally ill.

Think of it this way... Would Casey have killed Caylee, in whatever way she did, if someone was in the room standing next to her. Nope. She wouldn't have. Because she KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG. She took great pains to cover up the murder. Because she knew what she was doing was wrong.

See? Not knowing the difference between right and wrong is a legal defense. Killing your baby and hiding it cuz you're jealous or abused or sick and tired of her is not.

Suz (lawyer's daughter)

Excellent description, very clear. Keep up the good work!:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

And the National Enquirer or Globe--a big headline on the front of whichever tabloid I saw. Said that Casey's fingerprints are on the tape. The checkout line was too short for me to read the article, tho. I'm sure it would have had a lot of allegedlies in the article, anyway. :chicken:

I hate when that happens! :hat:

I think the fingerprint evidence on Casey may be a hold back, and may come out when the DVDs that have been mentioned are made public.

[Justice Denied?]

"Celebrity" moms just crack me up. Sure, and you're going to tell me there is NO NANNY in the picture? So, maybe mom changes the diapers, gives the bath, but does she pick up and dispose of the dirty diapers, pick up the wet towels and clean the bathroom after the bath?

Even if celeb moms take care of the children when they are not on set--most have someone else mopping the kitchen floors, loading the dishwasher, doing the laundry, vacuuming the living room, running errands, going to the grocery store, doing the cooking, etc.

Some (altho most likely not Nancy) DO have someone in the home who are going to be either taking care of or helping to take care of the kiddlies even when the moms are @ home.

we know she has a "baby nurse". She has introduced her on the show and wished her 'happy birthday' and 'happy anniversary.' As to other help, bet she has but not for sure.

[Tamarrow]

I really do not think that Casey had used duct tape before. It's too hard to get off. Bear in mind they had to cut her hair this time. And if she tried to get it off Caylee's face it would take a couple layers of skin with it. JMO

You're right, I so didnt think about how hard it would be to take it off her little face. I just can't get my head around her using duct tape on this little baby. Think she was trying to make it look like a kidnapping? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

NG was on Dr Phil in the AM yesterday... Topic of the moment was OctoMom. Nancy starts ranting about how changing her childrens diapers is her job, no matter how tired, busy etc. That it's no ones responsibility but the moms and how dare she/octo put this on the grandmother or anyone else to help her blah blah blah. (sorry run on!)

She goes on to say how Exhausting it is, getting up, feeding her two, going to work and coming home and feeding, baths, playtime ~ why she even goes to work soaking wet from just giving john david his bath, that she is totally burnt and exhausted.

OK. I understand . I know. I was 7 when my mom had twins, so guess who was little mommy? But if you can't take the heat, Nancy get out of the fricken kitchen. ok. You don't take it out on your Guests. Mike Brooks was the recipient of that yesterday, big time. If it's not Susan, it's Richard Herman (:rose:), who she can't abuse right now. If not them it's someone else.

Time for a time out, Nancy. You are abusive. If you mom hasn't told you so, your husband should. Aint right, lady. Take a chill pill and pass the torch.

Sorry I missed this great post last night! Man, NG needs a time out! And are we supposed to think that John David and Lucy sit in dirty diapers waiting for her to get home from work? PUHLEEZ

Don't get me wrong, I like Nancy's zeal. But she is beyond rude lately, off base far too often and her tunnel vision is not becoming. I think her treatment of Mike Brooks was just about the last straw for me. This is a guy who keeps her show going while she's out touching up her roots or whatever she does on her days off.

And for the record, Nancy. I don't watch the slideshows of your little darlings, because I think it's disgusting that you flaunt them in public. BLECCH

[lorettalockhorn]

I am posting this as a alternative theory that Casey actually injected Caylee with something. Because of the Gatorade bottle and syringe that was found in the bag with the remains.

What if Casey instead of Injecting something into Caylee, forced a toxic substance into her mouth and used the duct tape to keep her from spitting it out or throwing it up?

Seeing as there was no signs of trauma to the body, ( as far as they can tell), this would be another method of killing the baby.

I haven't seen any details about the syringe, but I'm curious as to what size it is and whether or not there was actually a needle also found. Personally, I think it would be a heckuva lot easier to kill someone with an injection of air than it would be to manufacture chloroform (and expose myself to it in the process).

I'm interested in knowing if the source of the syringe can be found by manufacturer and batch number also.

[lorettalockhorn]

You're right, I so didnt think about how hard it would be to take it off her little face. I just can't get my head around her using duct tape on this little baby. Think she was trying to make it look like a kidnapping? :shrug:

Yes! And to me that is more proof of the premeditation.

[browneyes106]

I also think that "Beautiful Life" has nothing to do with Caylee. It's the new life she is having without her. (or was until she got caught)

I agree. I too think that is the reason she got that tattoo.

[Native Alien]

I haven't seen any details about the syringe, but I'm curious as to what size it is and whether or not there was actually a needle also found. Personally, I think it would be a heckuva lot easier to kill someone with an injection of air than it would be to manufacture chloroform (and expose myself to it in the process).

I'm interested in knowing if the source of the syringe can be found by manufacturer and batch number also.

I know that it was logged into evidence but I am not sure of the size. Again this is one of things that they are still "testing". As far as the injection of air, why do that when you have pool chemicals around? Especially given that one of the ingredients of Chloroform is Shock, which is a pool chemical.

[javahog]

we know she has a "baby nurse". She has introduced her on the show and wished her 'happy birthday' and 'happy anniversary.' As to other help, bet she has but not for sure.

I think she was from their hospital stay in NICU, but I'm not totally sure about that.

[lorettalockhorn]

I know that it was logged into evidence but I am not sure of the size. Again this is one of things that they are still "testing". As far as the injection of air, why do that when you have pool chemicals around? Especially given that one of the ingredients of Chloroform is Shock, which is a pool chemical.

Well, air is always around. And when Casey was researching how to make chloroform, surely she saw how dangerous it would be to expose her precious self to the stuff! Of all the ways to kill someone, chloroforming would NOT be at the top of my list. I'm not quite as narcissistic as Casey, and I'm always very careful around my pool chems.

Nothing this girl has done makes any sense.

[javahog]

"Celebrity" moms just crack me up. Sure, and you're going to tell me there is NO NANNY in the picture? So, maybe mom changes the diapers, gives the bath, but does she pick up and dispose of the dirty diapers, pick up the wet towels and clean the bathroom after the bath?

Even if celeb moms take care of the children when they are not on set--most have someone else mopping the kitchen floors, loading the dishwasher, doing the laundry, vacuuming the living room, running errands, going to the grocery store, doing the cooking, etc.

Some (altho most likely not Nancy) DO have someone in the home who are going to be either taking care of or helping to take care of the kiddlies even when the moms are @ home.

They don't crack me up, they p*ss me off. My hubby sees them talking about how wonderful it is, and says if they can do it so easy, how come you complain you're tired? Umm, no nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, and personal shoppers here, dumb*ss. Can you tell the kind of day I've had so far, LOL?!

[lorettalockhorn]

They don't crack me up, they p*ss me off. My hubby sees them talking about how wonderful it is, and says if they can do it so easy, how come you complain you're tired? Umm, no nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, and personal shoppers here, dumb*ss. Can you tell the kind of day I've had so far, LOL?!

Java, you need a wife! Someone who can do everything!

[javahog]

Well, air is always around. And when Casey was researching how to make chloroform, surely she saw how dangerous it would be to expose her precious self to the stuff! Of all the ways to kill someone, chloroforming would NOT be at the top of my list. I'm not quite as narcissistic as Casey, and I'm always very careful around my pool chems.

Nothing this girl has done makes any sense.

I'm going to vote for no way Casey made chloroform. It took work. Casey, as we all know, was allergic to work. She did something else. Caylee couldn't have fought back, so why break a sweat?

I think she researched chloroform for her mom. It must have been a mental horse race as to who was going to buy the Anthony Farm. Caylee lost. (my lawyer makes me add, this is all alleged)

[javahog]

Java, you need a wife! Someone who can do everything!

Plural marriage, here I come!:chicken:

[wind149]

Yeah, I noticed NG has been more caustic than she usually is and let's not forget she is what 48? Not a spring chicken to be caring for twin babies, but surely with all her money, she needs a break, can't afford a nanny? I also think her treatment of Mike was uncalled for, he is a great guy and did not deserve that ass chewing he got from her!!! I notice at times if you do not agree with her she goes off on a rant and we know here that people disagree all the time, hell I get flak on here from people who think I am a jerk for calling it the way I see it, and most of the time I am not wrong, but if I am I will admit it. However, with some of what we hash over here, especially this case and certainly the Haleigh case has opened up feelings people including me that are not holding back how you feel, and why should you have to? NG hates Casey with all she has and I remember in the beginning she was nasty to LP, thinking just like I did, what was his agenda? Why would a bounty hunter from CA come all the way to FL to bail this broad out? Now we all know that he did it because he actually has a big heart, hell he spent his own nickel on the bail, the searches, and to have Cindy snub him and Tim Miller I thought was disgusting. Both of these men cared enough to try to help her family find Caylee and I agree with LP, I don't have much use for Cindy either. I think the service was her grandstanding, Christ, the thing was even shown on Telemundo!!! I would have had a private service. She moaned so much about the media and then pulls that off, please!!!! There was cameras from every angle of that church!!!!

[Amy]

They don't crack me up, they p*ss me off. My hubby sees them talking about how wonderful it is, and says if they can do it so easy, how come you complain you're tired? Umm, no nannies, housekeepers, gardeners, and personal shoppers here, dumb*ss. Can you tell the kind of day I've had so far, LOL?!

I guess the difference is, I don't have a man @ the house to make comparisons, lol!!! When he does make comments, I get po'd @ HIM---he isn't around to know what does or doesn't go on in my house!! :D

Hope your day gets better. ;)

[javahog]

Yeah, I noticed NG has been more caustic than she usually is and let's not forget she is what 48? Not a spring chicken to be caring for twin babies, but surely with all her money, she needs a break, can't afford a nanny? I also think her treatment of Mike was uncalled for, he is a great guy and did not deserve that ass chewing he got from her!!! I notice at times if you do not agree with her she goes off on a rant and we know here that people disagree all the time, hell I get flak on here from people who think I am a jerk for calling it the way I see it, and most of the time I am not wrong, but if I am I will admit it. However, with some of what we hash over here, especially this case and certainly the Haleigh case has opened up feelings people including me that are not holding back how you feel, and why should you have to? NG hates Casey with all she has and I remember in the beginning she was nasty to LP, thinking just like I did, what was his agenda? Why would a bounty hunter from CA come all the way to FL to bail this broad out? Now we all know that he did it because he actually has a big heart, hell he spent his own nickel on the bail, the searches, and to have Cindy snub him and Tim Miller I thought was disgusting. Both of these men cared enough to try to help her family find Caylee and I agree with LP, I don't have much use for Cindy either. I think the service was her grandstanding, Christ, the thing was even shown on Telemundo!!! I would have had a private service. She moaned so much about the media and then pulls that off, please!!!! There was cameras from every angle of that church!!!!

Not that I'm a CA fan or anything, but to be fair, Polly Klaas didn't have a private memorial, or a lot of other found missing children. If lots of people look, if lots of people care, then having a memorial for the public is reasonable. I mean, Joan Baez and Linda Ronstadt sang at Polly Klaas' funeral...

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess the difference is, I don't have a man @ the house to make comparisons, lol!!! When he does make comments, I get po'd @ HIM---he isn't around to know what does or doesn't go on in my house!! :D

Hope your day gets better. ;)

I'm married to The Absentminded Professor. He's around (underfoot) but still doesn't have a clue what does or doesn't go on in my house. tehee

Oops! Our house.

[javahog]

I guess the difference is, I don't have a man @ the house to make comparisons, lol!!! When he does make comments, I get po'd @ HIM---he isn't around to know what does or doesn't go on in my house!! :D

Hope your day gets better. ;)

Thanks, but...I just opened a cupboard and my kitchen looks like this:http://i13.tinypic.com/47b7viu.jpg

aargh. Now I really have issues with the Ants, lol!

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks, but...I just opened a cupboard and my kitchen looks like this:http://i13.tinypic.com/47b7viu.jpg

aargh. Now I really have issues with the Ants, lol!

Honey, just about everyone in this thread has issue with the Ants! :beer::tongue::hat:

[javahog]

Just a thought on the flip side. Was it clarified as to where the bag was found containing the bottle/syringe etc? Was it inside the bags where Caylee's remains were or found in the vicinity of the remains? I was just thinking it may have just settled there with all the water and once it had dried. I certainly hope its one more strike against the Liar however......

I'm off to commit some serious ant-icide, but I just gotta sympathize with the investigators who have to sort through all of the "zone" garbage. If this is a teenage hangout, I can imagine a lot more than just syringes are in the morass. I wouldn't be surprised if the syringe turns out to be unrelated.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just a thought on the flip side. Was it clarified as to where the bag was found containing the bottle/syringe etc? Was it inside the bags where Caylee's remains were or found in the vicinity of the remains? I was just thinking it may have just settled there with all the water and once it had dried. I certainly hope its one more strike against the Liar however......

IIRC the Gatorade bottle, syringe, etc were in the Disney bag found near Caylee's remains. Not sure exactly what "near" means since the remains were scattered, and I haven't digested the map and lane designations.

[DrewBerry]

Yeah, I noticed NG has been more caustic than she usually is and let's not forget she is what 48? Not a spring chicken to be caring for twin babies, but surely with all her money, she needs a break, can't afford a nanny? I also think her treatment of Mike was uncalled for, he is a great guy and did not deserve that ass chewing he got from her!!! I notice at times if you do not agree with her she goes off on a rant and we know here that people disagree all the time, hell I get flak on here from people who think I am a jerk for calling it the way I see it, and most of the time I am not wrong, but if I am I will admit it. However, with some of what we hash over here, especially this case and certainly the Haleigh case has opened up feelings people including me that are not holding back how you feel, and why should you have to? NG hates Casey with all she has and I remember in the beginning she was nasty to LP, thinking just like I did, what was his agenda? Why would a bounty hunter from CA come all the way to FL to bail this broad out? Now we all know that he did it because he actually has a big heart, hell he spent his own nickel on the bail, the searches, and to have Cindy snub him and Tim Miller I thought was disgusting. Both of these men cared enough to try to help her family find Caylee and I agree with LP, I don't have much use for Cindy either. I think the service was her grandstanding, Christ, the thing was even shown on Telemundo!!! I would have had a private service. She moaned so much about the media and then pulls that off, please!!!! There was cameras from every angle of that church!!!!

Hi Wind. . .ITA re: Cindy's behavior and the grandstanding. She loves the opportunity to shoot of her mouth. No class. She's done nothing but blame everyone else for what her "sweetheart daughter" has done. She eats up attention as much as her lying daughter. How dare she snub those who have stepped up, sacrificed there own time and resources to help find little Caylee. If she hasn't had a psych. eval. she needs one. She's definitely personality disordered. JMO.

[DrewBerry]

I've read a bit about Bi Polar disorder and yes, you're correct; the suicide rate is huge. Sociopaths do kill though, and I'm not sure how to diagnose this evil young woman.

I think we ran the gamut on which disorder she suffers from. There's also narsissitic personality disorder, which may fit in between.

Her jealousy was terminal for someone or other. Caylee got the wick lit, it appears. She was cuter and needed more attention. I think we all agree she's nuts. Normal people don't do things like that, but insane, she is not.

(I was thinking maybe she went into Schizophrenia. The age is right) but they are usually unable to fix up to go dirty dance on stage.

It's a messy case and I believe if someone wrote this book, submitted it for publication it wouldn't make it. It's too impossible to believe. Even if it were in fiction genre.

:seeya: nice to see you here drew.

Dan. . .Liar has all the criteria of NPD. Totally incapable of having empathy for others or caring how her behaviors affect others.They are empty shells that do not experience normal emotions. Not blaming the parents for her actions, but she was obviously raised to believe she was "the princess and could do no wrong. Has a totally enmeshed relationship with Cindy.It does not appear that Cindy or George ever held her accountable for anything. Then little Caylee comes along and "princess" is no longer in the spotlight. NPD is directly related to anti-social (sociopathic), criminal behaviors. Scott Peterson classic: NPD. Look at the strange relationship he has with his parents. The golden boy who could do no wrong.

[Native Alien]

Just a thought on the flip side. Was it clarified as to where the bag was found containing the bottle/syringe etc? Was it inside the bags where Caylee's remains were or found in the vicinity of the remains? I was just thinking it may have just settled there with all the water and once it had dried. I certainly hope its one more strike against the Liar however......

It is my understanding that it was found inside the Red Disney bag that was inside one of the other bags that contained the remains. I could be wrong on that but that is how I took it.

[wind149]

Drew no doubt huh? I can't stand Cindy, she has some serious mental health issues herself and as much as Al Sharpmouth does, she loves the camera and all the attention she has gotten as well as her daughter. Poor innocent Caylee to have been born into this family unit, maybe it is a blessing that she will stay 2 forever and not be raised by these cretins. God only knows how she would have turned out! Jealousy and resentment abounded between CA and Cindy the minute that Caylee was born and I think the seed of resentment started the minute Cindy held her before Casey did and ya know what, sorta kinda I can relate to that. I had a really good friend that had a baby girl in 1980. She went into labor on New Year's Eve and there was me and another friend there and her mother and Sue did have a rough labor and the minute Shells was cleaned up, the tool of a nurse hands her to Sue's mom instead of her!!! Sue was pissed!!!

And if you think that was bad, we all wanted to name her Rhiannon especially Sue because she liked that name and instead, when Sue finally gets some rest and we take off to go celebrate her birth, Mom takes it upon herself to name the baby Shelly and goes so far as to put it on the birth certificate!!! I thought that was ****ty and very underhanded, she liked the name and did not like the other name, so she thought that she would just do what she wanted to do and she and Sue battled over it for ages. Sue was a very good mother, but her mother would interfere all the time and it drove her nuts and I would be like, just tell her to butt out, and she did sometimes and now Shelly has children of her own, I lost touch with Sue which is a shame because we were best friends since high school. I think Casey, not sticking up for her here, resented that Cindy got to hold Caylee first and it just took off from there and just festered in Casey and she also began I think, to resent Caylee too, because Cindy paid more attention to her than Casey. I do not think that Casey is mentally ill in the sense where Bozo could use the insanity defense, she planned on killing the child, she looked up neck breaking and how to make chloroform and that is written in stone on the hard drive. I would like to see her get the DP, but we are a long way away from knowing exactly what the DA plans to do.

[STLcardfan]

And the National Enquirer or Globe--a big headline on the front of whichever tabloid I saw. Said that Casey's fingerprints are on the tape. The checkout line was too short for me to read the article, tho. I'm sure it would have had a lot of allegedlies in the article, anyway. :chicken:


They stretch the truth the latest headline in the NE is KC confessed in her journal and we all know that the journal entry most likely was made in 2003 but they claim its only 5 days after she killed caylee. :shrug:

[DrewBerry]

yeah, wind. She is not insane. Personality disordered---yes (and there's no clear tx or rehabilitation for personality disorders) but she does not meet criteria for insanity.

Your friend's mother sounds disturbed. Too bad you lost touch.

I'm not always in favor of DP, but in this case I am. CA planned to murder her child and truly believes she'll get away with it. Bozo may attempt to plea insanity due to whatever mental illness she's been diagnosed with. But it won't fly. Nice "talking" with you. Drew

[mandi3020]

Drew no doubt huh? I can't stand Cindy, she has some serious mental health issues herself and as much as Al Sharpmouth does, she loves the camera and all the attention she has gotten as well as her daughter. Poor innocent Caylee to have been born into this family unit, maybe it is a blessing that she will stay 2 forever and not be raised by these cretins. God only knows how she would have turned out! Jealousy and resentment abounded between CA and Cindy the minute that Caylee was born and I think the seed of resentment started the minute Cindy held her before Casey did and ya know what, sorta kinda I can relate to that. I had a really good friend that had a baby girl in 1980. She went into labor on New Year's Eve and there was me and another friend there and her mother and Sue did have a rough labor and the minute Shells was cleaned up, the tool of a nurse hands her to Sue's mom instead of her!!! Sue was pissed!!!

And if you think that was bad, we all wanted to name her Rhiannon especially Sue because she liked that name and instead, when Sue finally gets some rest and we take off to go celebrate her birth, Mom takes it upon herself to name the baby Shelly and goes so far as to put it on the birth certificate!!! I thought that was ****ty and very underhanded, she liked the name and did not like the other name, so she thought that she would just do what she wanted to do and she and Sue battled over it for ages. Sue was a very good mother, but her mother would interfere all the time and it drove her nuts and I would be like, just tell her to butt out, and she did sometimes and now Shelly has children of her own, I lost touch with Sue which is a shame because we were best friends since high school. I think Casey, not sticking up for her here, resented that Cindy got to hold Caylee first and it just took off from there and just festered in Casey and she also began I think, to resent Caylee too, because Cindy paid more attention to her than Casey. I do not think that Casey is mentally ill in the sense where Bozo could use the insanity defense, she planned on killing the child, she looked up neck breaking and how to make chloroform and that is written in stone on the hard drive. I would like to see her get the DP, but we are a long way away from knowing exactly what the DA plans to do.

Definitely wrong move on Cindy's part to hold Caylee first. I don't blame Casey for being upset over that. Also, Cindy trying to get Caylee to call her mom instead of grand-mom. What's up with that? I think Cindy did that stuff to "egg Casey on," meaning that she knew it got under Casey's skin and she liked that it did. I'm not excusing Casey at all--she's whacko for sure but her mother has definitely got "issues," too. I've said it before and will say it again, Caylee never had a chance with that crew. God bless her....

[javahog]

Delaney in Texas , successfully avoided a convicton altogether for bashing her two sons heads in with a rock and Yates succesfully drowned 4 boys and 1 girl by using this type of defense . Neither got a murder one conviction let alone death that the husband surely would've got if you reversed the genders. imo

11 women are on death row for killing their children: http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm

But it doesn't matter, does it? Its too much fun to pound on how women can get away with anything. Oh, the poor downtrodden men killers! My heart bleeds. boohoo.

[Amy]

Definitely wrong move on Cindy's part to hold Caylee first. I don't blame Casey for being upset over that. Also, Cindy trying to get Caylee to call her mom instead of grand-mom. What's up with that? I think Cindy did that stuff to "egg Casey on," meaning that she knew it got under Casey's skin and she liked that it did. I'm not excusing Casey at all--she's whacko for sure but her mother has definitely got "issues," too. I've said it before and will say it again, Caylee never had a chance with that crew. God bless her....

Where I work, when the baby is ready to go to mom, if dad is there, he usually carries the baby to her. If dad isn't there, usually it is grandma (or whomever the support person is) who carries the baby to her. So, the nurses handing Caylee to Cindy to carry to Casey would seem quite the norm. From where I am.

[javahog]

Where I work, when the baby is ready to go to mom, if dad is there, he usually carries the baby to her. If dad isn't there, usually it is grandma (or whomever the support person is) who carries the baby to her. So, the nurses handing Caylee to Cindy to carry to Casey would seem quite the norm. From where I am.

I think the problem was she didn't manage the second half of that, the "take her to the mother" part...

[Amy]

If u are void of feeling emotion why would u care? I think as i said it was just something Liar used to manipulate. MOO

Or, could be something Cindy threw in her face on occasion, too. I agree with you on who probably was up in the night w/Caylee when she was a wee one needing fed. Probably was the one up with her in the night when she woke up scared. Probably even if Caylee was sleeping in the same room/bed as Casey. The girl @ my house, her little one was in the same room, and HER method of dealing w/a crying 2 y/o in the middle of the night was for her to yell "Shut the f up!!!" Of course, it does seem that, even while living with the A's, Casey's "work" was evening--probably late into the night. SO, the A's would be tending to Caylee then. And, if Casey didn't get in til the wee hours of the am after "work" of course the A's would get up with Caylee so poor mommy could get her beauty sleep. A least, that seems to be the way it was.

I can hear it---"MOM!!!! DAD!!!!! Someone better come get this crying snotnosed brat so I can sleep!!!!"

[javahog]

If u are void of feeling emotion why would u care? I think as i said it was just something Liar used to manipulate. MOO

I think she is capable of emotion if it relates to her and her situation. "Jealousy" she is capable of, imo. "Want" is also something she is capable of. And, is "Mine!" an emotion? Cause I think she has that, too. We have seen she is capable of anger, and she has been "happy" at times, so she's got some.

If it relates to her wants and needs, she's got emotions, just not normal ones, and certainly not empathic ones, it appears.

[javahog]

11 is too tiny a number. They are either serial killers or some who went with the " I didn't do it defense" and got burned. Most of the female killers get a lesser sentence thus keeping even their murderer stats down. Example....Yates and Delaney aren't listed as being " murderers" where as a man would be if it were the husband. The law is suppose to be equal and blind justice....so You should be upset that the women who murder get a lesser conviction thus lowering their stats as " murderers" . If you stop and think about it....You will see. I think the problem is that women really don't mind if women get a lesser charge because They can Identify with women but the problem is that " Justice" shouldn't matter what your sex is. imo

You have got to be kidding me.

If women are treated differently by the system, it is because males have some kind of illusory protective daddy complex for women and under-charge them. Women are out for blood for baby killers.

And if you think I "identify" with baby-killers...!

[javahog]

Oh i agree with ya there java. I just dont think in my opine that Caylee fit in other than as a pawn to keep G&C right where she wanted them. Enabling her all the way to the bank-pardon the pun. I think the jealousy grew over time as Liar realized she was running out of options,attention was given to Caylee etc. etc. I pic. liar after giving birth-you know all her hard work- as sleeping for days and pawning her on anybody who would feed and care for her. She viewed her as an object that if she was going to lose her certainly C was not going to have her either. MOO

I think another aspect is image. How people saw her clearly mattered (and still does, based on her victim comment). Fine to be mommy with her old group of friends, but when she shifted to the clubbers, new image needed, and not "mommy". Caylee seems to have been a prop she no longer needed...imo

[javahog]

For sure: The more she insinuated her importance to others-the better she felt. We saw the same with S. Peterson. If u followed that case remember the phone calls with Amber where he was in Paris on N.Y? He describes in detail the fireworks etc. right down to tripping over cobblestone. Meanwhile he was in his yard at his missing wife's vigil. Delusions of grandeur.lol

Good old Scott! That phone call was awesome (thank you, Amber, for making it possible!). You could almost smell the croissants! ...and at the vigil no less. Oh, the cojones they have...

[Gatordog]

11 is too tiny a number. They are either serial killers or some who went with the " I didn't do it defense" and got burned. Most of the female killers get a lesser sentence thus keeping even their murderer stats down. Example....Yates and Delaney aren't listed as being " murderers" where as a man would be if it were the husband. The law is suppose to be equal and blind justice....so You should be upset that the women who murder get a lesser conviction thus lowering their stats as " murderers" . If you stop and think about it....You will see. I think the problem is that women really don't mind if women get a lesser charge because They can Identify with women but the problem is that " Justice" shouldn't matter what your sex is. imo

I can't agree with you on the women understanding or excusing women theory. If I was on the jury for that pastor's wife, I'd have found her guilty of murder. In my opinion, men are less apt to find women guilty of higher charges. Seems to me that men are more forgiving towards women criminals than women.

Gator

[Amy]

I can't agree with you on the women understanding or excusing women theory. If I was on the jury for that pastor's wife, I'd have found her guilty of murder. In my opinion, men are less apt to find women guilty of higher charges. Seems to me that men are more forgiving towards women criminals than women.

Gator

I'm with you on that one. When one kills a sleeping person, that would be MURDER, NOT self-defense or manslaughter or anything else. Murder. I didn't follow that case on any message board, but I'm betting there were a whole lot of folks on the side to call it murder---altho I do know there are those who think other wise.

[javahog]

So Jose noticed the '03 on the diary on GR tonight.

And Baden is jumping all over the National Academy of Sciences report, more "junk science" comments. "Still don't have an autopsy report, still don;t have a cause of death"

And I think Geraldo is hitting on Guilfoyle.

[javahog]

Ha!

Guilfoyle said that KC should throw herself not only at the mercy of the court but the mercy of God.

And Jose is so flippin' smug. ug.

[javahog]

Jose no trial date, if not this year then next.

And then they were interrupted by Obama, who apparently hasn't been getting enough press recently.

[lorettalockhorn]

What the hayell? Jose says there was no heart sticker on the duct tape?

[lorettalockhorn]

HAHAHHA Jose Baez the opening act for Obama.

[javahog]

What the hayell? Jose says there was no heart sticker on the duct tape?

page 3168 of the doc dump says that the latent print lab noticed it while looking for prints.

Jose can read, can he not? Or does he just refuse to believe it because OCSO said it?

[lorettalockhorn]

page 3168 of the doc dump says that the latent print lab noticed it while looking for prints.

Jose can read, can he not? Or does he just refuse to believe it because OCSO said it?

He must think it was found using junk science.

[javahog]

He must think it was found using junk science.

Aka eyeballs.

I should feel sorry for him. He has a tough row to hoe.

[Amy]

What the hayell? Jose says there was no heart sticker on the duct tape?

He's been saying that for days. I can't remember if the first time I saw it in a report was right before, or right after the doc dump. I think it was before he hit the hospital, cuz there was the "pr" blub from Marti saying this wasn't stress related, and then under that was the comment that Baez says--no fingerprints, no sticker. I tho't WTH?

[Native Alien]

I can't remember where I read it now but I read somewhere that there is the possibility that Bozo will be stepping down as lead attorney due to "health reasons' and that KLB might be taking the case over as lead.

I am going to have to find that report and read it to understand why all the evidence is "junk science". If they are going to use that as a defense I think that they have a tough row to hoe in front of them.

[shadydaisy]

I can't remember where I read it now but I read somewhere that there is the possibility that Bozo will be stepping down as lead attorney due to "health reasons' and that KLB might be taking the case over as lead.
I am going to have to find that report and read it to understand why all the evidence is "junk science". If they are going to use that as a defense I think that they have a tough row to hoe in front of them.

It wouldn't surprise me. MOO he may have realized that he is in way over his head and his health issues are a prefect way to get out of being the lead attorney. Coincidence that he was hospitalized just when the documents were released? Could he have really thought she wasn't involved, only guilty of bad judgement?

It has also been rumored that Baez has not gone to visit Casey in quite awhile. I'll see if I can find a source. That would certainly be a change since their daily, long visits.

[DrewBerry]

I didn't know that about NPD. Thank you for the info. Things are starting to make more sense now. Are you saying that sociopaths all have this? I basically know what a sociopath is. I wasn't aware of the other symptom being related.

Hi Danagher,
Not all people with NPD become criminals BUT most sociopaths meet most criteria of NPD. I am just a little ol' master's level mental health therapist but I've had the unfortunate experience of working with a few sociopaths. Along with other diagnoses, NPD is common with this group. Remember, this is JMO.
If you get a chance look up Dr. Sam Vankin on-line. He has NPD himself and has written several fascinating books and articles about his illness and what he has done to destroy the lives around him. He spent many years in prison for embezzlement, forgery (I think). :confused:

[javahog]

Apparently, Kronk is sick of being implicated in Padilla's "Daisy Chain"

I was wondering when someone would lawyer up on that LPBS...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775504/detail.html

[javahog]

Here's the letter itself:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0223/18775668.pdf

Note on the second page, the not so subtle shot at Padilla's Caylee hunting skills! Sharp letter. I smell lawsuit. There goes the black hat fund.

[lorettalockhorn]

Apparently, Kronk is sick of being implicated in Padilla's "Daisy Chain"

I was wondering when someone would lawyer up on that LPBS...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775504/detail.html

Surprised that Evans has waited so long to make an attempt to gag LP; he's been on the Daisy Chain Conspiracy for months. What I've read is that Kronk lived/lives with a woman who has a position in the OC jail (as a jailer maybe?), and she may have given Kronk information about where to find Caylee's remains. (How she got the information is a mystery to me. Why would Casey tell her?)

Dumbarse response from LP.

[javahog]

Surprised that Evans has waited so long to make an attempt to gag LP; he's been on the Daisy Chain Conspiracy for months. What I've read is that Kronk lived/lives with a woman who has a position in the OC jail (as a jailer maybe?), and she may have given Kronk information about where to find Caylee's remains. (How she got the information is a mystery to me. Why would Casey tell her?)

Dumbarse response from LP.

And the list of people on the Caylee gravy train grows...

The "former relatives" mentioned must be in-laws. I guess LP needs fresh news for NG. He's gonna dig himself in deep, I think, because I don't think he has an off button. If he keeps it up after this, he's going to be out some money, imo.

I hope he clams up so he can continue to show the good heart he has in there and offer rewards for missing kids. Unless his theory is true, of course.

[javahog]

O/T but IF ANYONE IS IN MARION COUNTY MisS. YOU NEED TO LOCK YOUR DOORS DUE TO A MASS ESCAPE OF PRISONERS!

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9889268

[lorettalockhorn]

And the list of people on the Caylee gravy train grows...

The "former relatives" mentioned must be in-laws. I guess LP needs fresh news for NG. He's gonna dig himself in deep, I think, because I don't think he has an off button. If he keeps it up after this, he's going to be out some money, imo.

I hope he clams up so he can continue to show the good heart he has in there and offer rewards for missing kids. Unless his theory is true, of course.

I'm hard-pressed to understand why LP ever inserted himself into this case to begin with and why he persists in being a hanger on. And is the celebrity bounty hunting business so bad that he is forced to work as a private eye? His track record isn't so great in the Anthony case, is he on to something here? The rumors have been around for a while. :shrug:

[Mojo]

I dont have a tatoo myself but I am an artist and love to see the beautiful work of the artists on the tatoo shows and I often wondered why people get them and on Miami Ink one night-they explained that most of the time people get tatoos for many reasons-to remember someone that has passed, a very special person or occasion in their life, pets--etc. Well I think this was Casey's tatoo of freedom that life was now starting a new and it was now going to be beautiful.

This is why I think it's very important to find out if the diary entry is from 08. If so, the pros can say read this diary entry and then Liar please stand and show the jury your tatoo that you got when exactly??? The diary and tatoo together show that her mental state was that now she's living the beautiful life. AFTER her daughter had been missing.

[Mojo]

"Celebrity" moms just crack me up. Sure, and you're going to tell me there is NO NANNY in the picture? So, maybe mom changes the diapers, gives the bath, but does she pick up and dispose of the dirty diapers, pick up the wet towels and clean the bathroom after the bath?

Even if celeb moms take care of the children when they are not on set--most have someone else mopping the kitchen floors, loading the dishwasher, doing the laundry, vacuuming the living room, running errands, going to the grocery store, doing the cooking, etc.

Some (altho most likely not Nancy) DO have someone in the home who are going to be either taking care of or helping to take care of the kiddlies even when the moms are @ home.

THANK YOU!! ITA I get so sick and tired of hearing these celebrities call themselves parents of the year when they have 5 nannies on the payroll.

[One2Snoop]

I'm hard-pressed to understand why LP ever inserted himself into this case to begin with and why he persists in being a hanger on. And is the celebrity bounty hunting business so bad that he is forced to work as a private eye? His track record isn't so great in the Anthony case, is he on to something here? The rumors have been around for a while. :shrug:

ITA! I'm tired of the guy - he should've disappeared months ago.

[lorettalockhorn]

From the news update thread (GOOOOOO O2S!!!)

>>Conway and the family "have cut out" ABC out to show their displeasure that the network had paid a licensing fee to meter reader Roy Kronk, Longo added. Kronk found Caylee's remains.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case--6.html

Despite the poor wording of this sentence, I'm understanding that the Ants are spiting ABC because of a connection to Kronk who found their granddaughter when no one else could. Why aren't they thanking him and on their knees thanking God that she was found at all?

These people are pathetic.

[One2Snoop]

I'd posted comments here previously that were written by Sean/The Daily BS regarding the Anthony case. Thought you all might want to know he lost his battle with Cancer - at such a young age too! RIP Sean! :rose:


David Lohr
February 23, 2009

True Crime Community Mourns Loss of Writer Sean Krause
The true crime community feels lost today with the passing of one of its most outspoken writers, 25-year-old Sean Krause.

Today has been no easy day for me. It started out well – I was informed that I won the In Cold Blog award for Best Crime Blogger of 2008, but quickly took a turn for the worse when I learned that a fellow writer and close friend had passed on.

Sean Krause was, in the words of fellow writer Sloane Reed, "informative yet blunt."

In a November interview with Reed, Sean described what drove him to start his Web site, Thedailybs.com.

"I got tired of seeing bad people get praised," he said. "The mainstream media wants people to feel remorseful for murderers; I don't. The news was never honest, so TDBS was born. People think it's the worst name, but never understand the meaning. To define it: BS is in the news every day; I report on it."

Sean was very outspoken, perhaps more blunt than he should have been at times. He was, of course, aware of this trait, yet it didn't bring him down.

"I like to make people laugh; it's a gift," he wrote on his MySpace profile. "Some may not like my risqué humor; I understand."

Regardless of how people felt about his humor, I can attest that Sean Krause was a good man with a heart of gold, who, despite his own illness, often put others first.

Many people were aware of Sean's three-year battle with cancer; however, he kept most of the actual details of his condition to himself. He often referred to it as an "evil entity." He told me on more than one occasion, "It will rob you and rape you when you least suspect it." Nevertheless, he was hopeful that he could win the fight, and he continued his work, often writing entries to his blog while suffering the effects of high fevers and draining chemotherapy.


Sean was a close friend of mine who touched my life in many ways. I last saw him in November 2008 in Buffalo, New York. I was there investigating the disappearance of Corrie Anderson, so we met at one of Sean's favorite nightspots, the Dome Stadium. The photo to the right was taken that night.

Some of you might not know that one of Sean's favorite hobbies was karaoke. He sung a dozen or more songs at the Dome that night. He was actually quite good at it and always managed to insert his unique brand of humor into every song.

When all was said and done, we made plans to meet again. Unfortunately, that was not to be.

Sean was also a friend to Texas EquuSearch. Thanks to his posts during the Caylee Anthony search, the organization received many donations, which helped them purchase much-needed supplies during the search effort. Sean was also anxious to get involved in the search for Corrie Anderson. Despite his own condition, he desperately volunteered to assist in any way possible.

"It's very difficult for me to believe that a light as bright as Sean's has now dimmed and gone out," said Barbie Tarr, a volunteer with Texas EquuSearch. "As controversial as Sean could sometimes be, what was never in controversy was his love for children and his belief that they should be loved and protected at all costs. I spent a great deal of time talking to Sean and always loved his sense of humor and his zest for life. I will miss him greatly and keep his spirit close to me always as a beacon of hope for missing and abused children. God speed, my dear friend; may we meet again someday!"

I received word late last night that Sean had taken a turn for the worse and that his organs were shutting down. Unfortunately, his cell phone was out of service, and I was unable to get the contact information for the hospice until it was too late. By the time I did, I was told that he had passed away at 2:55 this morning.

I never got to say goodbye to Sean, and it is not easy for me to accept that. He did, however, say goodbye in a message that he left for me just before he passed on. When I first started this article, I was thinking that I would not share the message; however, after giving it some thought, I decided to anyway, as I found his message to be very heartfelt and touching. Those of you who never read his blog won't understand the meaning of it, but those who did will understand the "joke" he was referring to.

"David, I know the joke about you being my uncle may have gone a bit too far, but I really wish I had an uncle like you. Actually, I consider you a brother."

I too considered him a brother.

While I appreciate everyone who voted for me as Best Crime Blogger of 2008, I have to bow down and pass the award on to Sean Krause. In my mind, he was the best.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_...an-krause.html

[javahog]

From the news update thread (GOOOOOO O2S!!!)

>>Conway and the family "have cut out" ABC out to show their displeasure that the network had paid a licensing fee to meter reader Roy Kronk, Longo added. Kronk found Caylee's remains.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case--6.html

Despite the poor wording of this sentence, I'm understanding that the Ants are spiting ABC because of a connection to Kronk who found their granddaughter when no one else could. Why aren't they thanking him and on their knees thanking God that she was found at all?

These people are pathetic.

Hey, if they wanted 20 grand, they could have killed a rattlesnake, too. Its never too late to try!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey, if they wanted 20 grand, they could have killed a rattlesnake, too. Its never too late to try!

None of the Ants should have to look too far to find a snake.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'd posted comments here previously that were written by Sean/The Daily BS regarding the Anthony case. Thought you all might want to know he lost his battle with Cancer - at such a young age too! RIP Sean! :rose:

RIP Sean.

Condolences to the Krause family.

[Woostock]

RIP Sean

[Gatordog]

From the news update thread (GOOOOOO O2S!!!)

>>Conway and the family "have cut out" ABC out to show their displeasure that the network had paid a licensing fee to meter reader Roy Kronk, Longo added. Kronk found Caylee's remains.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case--6.html

Despite the poor wording of this sentence, I'm understanding that the Ants are spiting ABC because of a connection to Kronk who found their granddaughter when no one else could. Why aren't they thanking him and on their knees thanking God that she was found at all?

These people are pathetic.

The Anthony's thank no one. The only person they have ever thanked is Dennis Milstead of KidFinders. KidFinders provided that rolling billboard which George attached to his car and drove around the neighborhood and parked each night about 100 feet from Caylee's body.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

The Anthony's thank no one. The only person they have ever thanked is Dennis Milstead of KidFinders. KidFinders provided that rolling billboard which George attached to his car and drove around the neighborhood and parked each night about 100 feet from Caylee's body.

Gator

Pathetic.

[Gatordog]

Your sentence is good. Thanks for the link and ITA, those people are "pathetic." Why on God's green earth would they be angry with Kronk. Who cares if he got paid? They need to stop and remember how blessed they were to have Caylee for just a little while. She was a blessing in their awful lives.

I don't want to judge these people, they're in hell already. but God dammit, they need a clue! When will they ever stop going on about money, who got it, who didn't...

They have got to know their granddaughter is dead, right? They must know their daughter killed her, right? What's with the $$$ issue? Why? Who cares?

:flamemad:

I guess it was okay for them to get a $200k licensing fee for videotape and photos of Caylee when all they wanted to do was get the public to see her face.

gator

[Gatordog]

Cindy, George and Lee are scheduled for their depositions this week.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Cindy, George and Lee are scheduled for their depositions this week.

Gator

Looks like Conway wants to block Cindy's and George's subpoenas per a link that )2S posted. He says that Lee will tell Morgan that he has no knowledge of ZFG.

[wind149]

Oh these morons are gonna want to cough up every dime they can get their hands on for her defense fund, they might be living in hell, but they put themselves there by raising their evil daughter the way they did, I no longer have any sympathy for any of them. If Kronk got money, he deserves it, there was reward money was there not?? He found the body in August to begin with and told LE what was out there and it wasn't till he went back out there and actually looked in the bag that Caylee was found and identified. These people are never going to wake up and smell the coffee and I can't wait till the trial.

[DrewBerry]

I guess it was okay for them to get a $200k licensing fee for videotape and photos of Caylee when all they wanted to do was get the public to see her face.

gator

ITA, Gator. And I guess it was OK that Liar stole thousands from them, her elderly grandparents, her friend Amy and who knows how many others. The Ants blame everyone but the Liar. Wind is right. They will NEVER get it because they are all "victims." Ungrateful asses.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's defense attorney at center of another Florida Bar inquiry
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:43 PM EST, February 23, 2009
The Florida Bar has another inquiry open into Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez.

A Bar spokeswoman couldn't disclose details about the inquiry, but said it pertains to Baez's relationship with his now former media-relations company.

Since fall, Baez's law firm referred news reporters to a spokesman named Todd Black with Press Corps Media.

Black never agreed to in-person interviews with reporters, would not provide his photograph and did not reveal his true identity.

Press Corps Media later confirmed that three people used the Todd Black name.

And recently, the company confirmed that one of the people who called himself Todd Black was Gil Cabot. Cabot was sentenced to five years in a California prison in 1990 after he was convicted of attempting to extort television journalist Jann Carl.

In October, The Florida Bar initiated an investigation into Baez after the State Attorney's Office faxed the Bar several news releases Black had sent to media outlets.

The Bar closed its file in January and found that no disciplinary proceedings against the Kissimmee lawyer were appropriate.

Two of those news releases criticized State Attorney Lawson Lamar.

Timothy Chinaris, an attorney representing Baez in that inquiry, told the Bar that Press Corps Media was retained by a Connecticut family.

Chinaris said his client had not paid and will not pay "any part" of Press Corps Media's fees or expenses.

Baez has since hired Marti Mackenzie as his new spokeswoman. In an e-mail statement, Mackenzie said this afternoon: "The circumstances of Mr. Baez's now severed association with Press Corps Media have not changed; as Timothy Chinaris, an ethics attorney representing Baez in the first Bar inquiry, told the Bar, Press Corps Media claimed that it was retained by a Connecticut family. We expect that the Bar will again close the file and find that no disciplinary proceedings are appropriate."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-baez-bar-022309,0,3694212.story

[Native Alien]

Oh these morons are gonna want to cough up every dime they can get their hands on for her defense fund, they might be living in hell, but they put themselves there by raising their evil daughter the way they did, I no longer have any sympathy for any of them. If Kronk got money, he deserves it, there was reward money was there not?? He found the body in August to begin with and told LE what was out there and it wasn't till he went back out there and actually looked in the bag that Caylee was found and identified. These people are never going to wake up and smell the coffee and I can't wait till the trial.

Actually there was reward money but that isn't what Kronk got. Nejames gave him $5,000.00 and that was it other than what he has gotten paid for interviews.

[DrewBerry]

Ah hah! Veddy interdestink! I will go read that. I read a book a few years ago, called, the Sociopath Next Door. It horrified me because I saw a family member in there somewhere. Those people scare the bejesus outta me! I'm quite a mush ball and when I run into anyone without love in their hearts, I ask questions.

I don't know how (even) therapists can deal with those types. There has to be a burn out feature in that career. It must be very draining. From what I've learned, those sociopaths cannot be fixed. What does society do with them? Of course we know what happens to them when they kill. (When they get caught)

The problem I have with Casey A. (on the list of many) is, she fits the profile of a sociopath, but she's so damn stupid. She must have wanted to get caught very badly. She seems to have the mental capacity of a child. Is that the norm with these types?

People like Liar don't think society's rules apply to them. They think and behave in grandiose terms. Arrested development (emotionally she's probably about 14).They believe they are entitled to everyone's attention and adoration. In Liar's case that all changed when Caylee was born. As far as wanting to be caught, I don't think she ever thought she would be caught because "she's the real victim." Yeah, she's not very smart but BELIEVES she is because mommy and daddy and brother have told her she can do no wrong. Victim, my ass!!

[Amy]

I can't remember where I read it now but I read somewhere that there is the possibility that Bozo will be stepping down as lead attorney due to "health reasons' and that KLB might be taking the case over as lead.

I am going to have to find that report and read it to understand why all the evidence is "junk science". If they are going to use that as a defense I think that they have a tough row to hoe in front of them.

But, it wouldn't have to do anything with stomach problems not related to the stress of the case, huh? :D

That's as good as anything I guess, to find a way to step down without admitting that perhaps he isn't up to the job? Wonder why he didn't say anything to Geraldo?

[Amy]

It wouldn't surprise me. MOO he may have realized that he is in way over his head and his health issues are a prefect way to get out of being the lead attorney. Coincidence that he was hospitalized just when the documents were released? Could he have really thought she wasn't involved, only guilty of bad judgement?

It has also been rumored that Baez has not gone to visit Casey in quite awhile. I'll see if I can find a source. That would certainly be a change since their daily, long visits.

I don't remember which article it was (newspaper, tho) where NO ONE, not one attorney had seen her in 8 days.

[Amy]

Apparently, Kronk is sick of being implicated in Padilla's "Daisy Chain"

I was wondering when someone would lawyer up on that LPBS...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18775504/detail.html

I haven't been watching NG lately--he's still talking about Kronk or the Daisy chain? What other "national" venues has he been talking on? TIA

[DrewBerry]

I agree that she has the emotional mentality of a 14 year old. I picked that up when I watched the videos at the jail visits. I saw that she was also cunning. "I love you guys and I miss you so much." This was extremely confusing for the parents to hear, and it showed.

Then I noticed that she was trying to get them off Caylee and on her. "I want to come home too!" (14 years old there) Then she was able to speak pretty intelligently, i.e. regarding the police and the code talk with Lee. Then again she went into 14 years old when she had that brat attack, "No one is listening to me, come on!!" Is she going in and out of herself? It's incredible and damn interesting to watch her peel off layers of her personality. Do you see schizophrenia out of that mess?

I know, I know, just asking.

Hi Dan,
No to the schizophrenia. It's often misunderstood. Primary characteristics of schizophrenia include 2 or more of these: delusions (voices, usually pursecatory), hallucinations, flat affect, and/or incoherent speech.
IMO, Liar is personality disordered. She's a real mess alright, a murderer who took her own daughter's life so she could be the focus again.
Thanks for the exchange. I enjoy your posts.

[Amy]

From the news update thread (GOOOOOO O2S!!!)

>>Conway and the family "have cut out" ABC out to show their displeasure that the network had paid a licensing fee to meter reader Roy Kronk, Longo added. Kronk found Caylee's remains.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case--6.html

Despite the poor wording of this sentence, I'm understanding that the Ants are spiting ABC because of a connection to Kronk who found their granddaughter when no one else could. Why aren't they thanking him and on their knees thanking God that she was found at all?

These people are pathetic.

Exactly!!!! What in the world is going on? No one wants anyone else to get any attention, no one (in the A family) wants to THANK the man who found their granddaughter. So, what do they have to crap about? Isn't that like the pot calling the kettle black? Are they going to try to have the public believe THEY never received any licensing fees for THEIR pictures? GMAB

Don't suppose ABC had any plans to bring them back, anyway. There isn't much more to do or say until the trial.

[Amy]

Thanks for sharing that letter with us snoop.

Have fun in heaven Sean... :rose: Give Caylee a hug from me.

I didn't read a lot of his stuff, but what I read, some I liked, some I didn't so much. But, I would guess he must have been a good enough fellow--to have the admiration of David Lohr, and of Barbie of TES.

May he rest in peace. :rose:

[Amy]

The Anthony's thank no one. The only person they have ever thanked is Dennis Milstead of KidFinders. KidFinders provided that rolling billboard which George attached to his car and drove around the neighborhood and parked each night about 100 feet from Caylee's body.

Gator

With a disconnected number on it for months--how was anyone to REACH the hotline? I guess the people who were going to provide the "tips" they wanted knew their cell numbers, their house number if they have a landline.

[javahog]

I haven't been watching NG lately--he's still talking about Kronk or the Daisy chain? What other "national" venues has he been talking on? TIA

I'm not sure, I only heard him say it on NG. but the lawyer did say plural...I think he's done a web "conversation" with another crime board-would that count?

[Amy]

Casey Anthony's defense attorney at center of another Florida Bar inquiry
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:43 PM EST, February 23, 2009
The Florida Bar has another inquiry open into Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez.

A Bar spokeswoman couldn't disclose details about the inquiry, but said it pertains to Baez's relationship with his now former media-relations company.

Since fall, Baez's law firm referred news reporters to a spokesman named Todd Black with Press Corps Media.

Black never agreed to in-person interviews with reporters, would not provide his photograph and did not reveal his true identity.

Press Corps Media later confirmed that three people used the Todd Black name.

And recently, the company confirmed that one of the people who called himself Todd Black was Gil Cabot. Cabot was sentenced to five years in a California prison in 1990 after he was convicted of attempting to extort television journalist Jann Carl.

In October, The Florida Bar initiated an investigation into Baez after the State Attorney's Office faxed the Bar several news releases Black had sent to media outlets.

The Bar closed its file in January and found that no disciplinary proceedings against the Kissimmee lawyer were appropriate.

Two of those news releases criticized State Attorney Lawson Lamar.

Timothy Chinaris, an attorney representing Baez in that inquiry, told the Bar that Press Corps Media was retained by a Connecticut family.

Chinaris said his client had not paid and will not pay "any part" of Press Corps Media's fees or expenses.

Baez has since hired Marti Mackenzie as his new spokeswoman. In an e-mail statement, Mackenzie said this afternoon: "The circumstances of Mr. Baez's now severed association with Press Corps Media have not changed; as Timothy Chinaris, an ethics attorney representing Baez in the first Bar inquiry, told the Bar, Press Corps Media claimed that it was retained by a Connecticut family. We expect that the Bar will again close the file and find that no disciplinary proceedings are appropriate."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-baez-bar-022309,0,3694212.story

IF it's true that "a Connecticut family" hired Todd Black or the company to be the spokesperson(s) for Baez and/or Casey--the company is stupid as heck. So, was the pr that Black put out the opinion of the people who paid them? Weird. But, why should I be surprised that something "weird" popped up in this case?

[javahog]

Casey Anthony's defense attorney at center of another Florida Bar inquiry
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:43 PM EST, February 23, 2009
The Florida Bar has another inquiry open into Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez.

A Bar spokeswoman couldn't disclose details about the inquiry, but said it pertains to Baez's relationship with his now former media-relations company.

Since fall, Baez's law firm referred news reporters to a spokesman named Todd Black with Press Corps Media.

Black never agreed to in-person interviews with reporters, would not provide his photograph and did not reveal his true identity.

Press Corps Media later confirmed that three people used the Todd Black name.

And recently, the company confirmed that one of the people who called himself Todd Black was Gil Cabot. Cabot was sentenced to five years in a California prison in 1990 after he was convicted of attempting to extort television journalist Jann Carl.

In October, The Florida Bar initiated an investigation into Baez after the State Attorney's Office faxed the Bar several news releases Black had sent to media outlets.

The Bar closed its file in January and found that no disciplinary proceedings against the Kissimmee lawyer were appropriate.

Two of those news releases criticized State Attorney Lawson Lamar.

Timothy Chinaris, an attorney representing Baez in that inquiry, told the Bar that Press Corps Media was retained by a Connecticut family.

Chinaris said his client had not paid and will not pay "any part" of Press Corps Media's fees or expenses.

Baez has since hired Marti Mackenzie as his new spokeswoman. In an e-mail statement, Mackenzie said this afternoon: "The circumstances of Mr. Baez's now severed association with Press Corps Media have not changed; as Timothy Chinaris, an ethics attorney representing Baez in the first Bar inquiry, told the Bar, Press Corps Media claimed that it was retained by a Connecticut family. We expect that the Bar will again close the file and find that no disciplinary proceedings are appropriate."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-baez-bar-022309,0,3694212.story

"Claimed..." right. Not "was", "claimed".

I think we all get what's being said.

[javahog]

IF it's true that "a Connecticut family" hired Todd Black or the company to be the spokesperson(s) for Baez and/or Casey--the company is stupid as heck. So, was the pr that Black put out the opinion of the people who paid them? Weird. But, why should I be surprised that something "weird" popped up in this case?

Many New York media people live in Connecticut. And Gil Cabot's "other" company specialized in selling true stories, like Laci Peterson's.

imho, something untoward is up in THIS daisy chain...

[Native Alien]

As to the Anthonys being deposed this week, I believe that will happen. I can't see any judge telling an attorney that he can't depose witnesses in a case.

In this case it would Cindy that I would think would be the one that counted the most because as far as I have seen and read, she has been the one the most vocal in the whole telling of the story.

She and Lee were the ones that were questioning Casey the most.

[javahog]

Thanks Drew. I keep forgetting about the "voices" thing. I want to understand (I guess everyone does) how a sociopath can disregard a human life for the spotlight. She had to have exhibited signs of her problem before Caylee was born. I always say mother's are not trained to see mental disorders, but that had to be hard to miss. I get the sense that Cindy was getting off on spiting Casey and that would be dangerous knowing Casey was not right in the head. (?)



I know a young woman who started commanding her family at age six. She fits the profile of a sociopath at age 21, now. But I watched her literally control her family for all those years and I was aghast at the reactions of her parents and brother. She got what she wanted.

There was a time that she couldn't stand hearing certain songs. She also went through a thing when she refused to acknowledge her own name. She wanted to be called some other name. She would hit her mother when she was called by her proper name. At her present age, she dresses very uninhibited. It's scary.


I once mentioned to them that they had to get control of the household, and the young lady had a fit. She tightened up her fists stretched her arms out and turned red in the face. (Just like Casey A.) Her mother ushered her out of my house. She was very young, probably eight or nine. I had to categorize her mentally ill. No one got her help until she was a teen. Now she's on antidepressants but they barely take the edge off. She still rules the roost. Her mother is constantly doing noise control and obliges the girl continuously. Do I think this young l lady could kill? Yes.

I enjoy your posts too, Drewberry :)

Has anyone thought about Asperger's syndrome, both with this girl and Casey? It might explain the lack of empathy and the odd aspect, among other things...(many are noise sensitive, btw...)

We recently had a guy with Asperger's kill his wife, and his lawyer argued he was innocent but looked guilty because of his Asperger's. Then he led them to the body after the trial. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser). http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2008/03/hans_reiser_and_the_geek_defense.html

[lorettalockhorn]

As to the Anthonys being deposed this week, I believe that will happen. I can't see any judge telling an attorney that he can't depose witnesses in a case.

In this case it would Cindy that I would think would be the one that counted the most because as far as I have seen and read, she has been the one the most vocal in the whole telling of the story.

She and Lee were the ones that were questioning Casey the most.

I hope you're right that the judge will deny Conway's motion (Morgan has stated that he would be willing to give George a later date to be deposed). I have sympathy for ZFG and this issue needs to be resolved. And it's time for Cindy to get right with the courts. This suit seems like a good enough place to start.

In my opine i dont think Liar fits into Asperger's. It is an autism spectrum disorder. I dont think the Liar had a problem with social interaction. In fact that seemed to be her main focus. I realize they lack in empathy however i just dont think the right fit. There are a couple of other traits that stand out in my mind with this asp. disorder and that is ocd and clumsiness. My armchair guess would be a nar. socio. MOO

Agree, Aspies do exhibit selfishness and tunnel vision, but can be very poorly socialized and that isn't Casey. And she doesn't strike me as tidy enough to be considered OCD.

[Gatordog]

Looks like Conway wants to block Cindy's and George's subpoenas per a link that )2S posted. He says that Lee will tell Morgan that he has no knowledge of ZFG.

That's okay because when the Lair's trial comes up, and they are asked and they say Zenaida took Caylee, the DA can say you already said you didn't know anything about a Zenaida. How can Cindy say that every day Caylee would tell her about her day and never, ever mention the nanny by name? Oh, there was no nanny.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I'm not sure, I only heard him say it on NG. but the lawyer did say plural...I think he's done a web "conversation" with another crime board-would that count?

Not national, but he's done a lot of yacking on local media channels, which are then put on their website which go national.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I don't remember which article it was (newspaper, tho) where NO ONE, not one attorney had seen her in 8 days.

I know he was in Colorado for a while. He's probably doing a media circuit in addition to conventions. They probably are going through the documents line by line. It takes a long time to write down all those lies so they can be addressed later.

Gator

[NMurphy02]

Oh these morons are gonna want to cough up every dime they can get their hands on for her defense fund, they might be living in hell, but they put themselves there by raising their evil daughter the way they did, I no longer have any sympathy for any of them. If Kronk got money, he deserves it, there was reward money was there not?? He found the body in August to begin with and told LE what was out there and it wasn't till he went back out there and actually looked in the bag that Caylee was found and identified. These people are never going to wake up and smell the coffee and I can't wait till the trial.


And this is exactly why I have NO sympathy for this family! Where is the justice for their granddaughter? I am so sick of hearing how they are in denial, they lost their granddaughter and are about to lose their daughter..blah blah, yada yada. And if George is well enough to help look for Haleigh Cummings, he should be well enough to be deposed. Give me a break would ya Conway?

[DrewBerry]

And this is exactly why I have NO sympathy for this family! Where is the justice for their granddaughter? I am so sick of hearing how they are in denial, they lost their granddaughter and are about to lose their daughter..blah blah, yada yada. And if George is well enough to help look for Haleigh Cummings, he should be well enough to be deposed. Give me a break would ya Conway?

ITA. I have NO sympathy left and get disgusted every time I hear someone say "how hard it must be to lose their granddaughter and now they're losing their daughter." Puhleez people. Who caused all this pain? Who destroyed their lives? I agree---if George can pull it together enough to travel and support the Cummings family, he can pull it together to help his own family by TELLING THE TRUTH!!! :flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA. I have NO sympathy left and get disgusted every time I hear someone say "how hard it must be to lose their granddaughter and now they're losing their daughter." Puhleez people. Who caused all this pain? Who destroyed their lives? I agree---if George can pull it together enough to travel and support the Cummings family, he can pull it together to help his own family by TELLING THE TRUTH!!! :flamemad:

Most of the sound bites that I've heard are George talking about himself and his loss. They're in a club. He knows what this feels like, etc. The best thing about George going to Satsuma may be that he's away from Toxic Cindy for a while.

[Amy]

Has anyone thought about Asperger's syndrome, both with this girl and Casey? It might explain the lack of empathy and the odd aspect, among other things...(many are noise sensitive, btw...)

We recently had a guy with Asperger's kill his wife, and his lawyer argued he was innocent but looked guilty because of his Asperger's. Then he led them to the body after the trial. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser). http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2008/03/hans_reiser_and_the_geek_defense.html

Casey would be one in which the noise factor wouldn't be an issue--I haven't been to too many clubs where the music and other noises were very quiet. @ least, the type of clubs that Casey seemed to frequent.

[Amy]

And this is exactly why I have NO sympathy for this family! Where is the justice for their granddaughter? I am so sick of hearing how they are in denial, they lost their granddaughter and are about to lose their daughter..blah blah, yada yada. And if George is well enough to help look for Haleigh Cummings, he should be well enough to be deposed. Give me a break would ya Conway?

I was thinking last night when I was reading Conway's statements. Then, I got to thinking (yes, it's dangerous!! ;)) but, perhaps the depostions should be taking place sooner than later. If their "mental status" is rocky now, think how rocky it's gonna be as the trial looms, and during the trial. And, their mental status could be even MORE rocky after the conviction and sentencing of their daughter (even tho they gotta know--she did it and WILL be convicted.) Heck, the depositions could be put off FOREVER if they are waiting for an optimal mental health moment for the A's. Do it now, do it while they are lucid and not in straight jackets somewhere.

Heck, one would think that just getting this done and over would take a load off their minds. They wouldn't have to worry, will this be the day? What will the judge's ruling be this time? JUST DO IT!!!! Get it over and done with, and THEN concentrate on your daughter's trial (which may go a bit better than I first tho't, if in fact Mr Jose steps down--for health reasons or whatever the REAL reason is.)

[Gatordog]

From WFTV.com

This is a very compassionate young man. I think life will be difficult for him as he is very sensitive, but he is a treasure among teenagers.



Strangers Donate Hundreds Of Dollars To Casey Anthony
Monday, February 23, 2009 – updated: 6:26 pm EST February 23, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Who are the strangers who keep sending money to Casey Anthony in jail? The money comes from all over the country and in Central Florida, so Eyewitness News set out to find out who's doing it and why.

Casey has received more than $1,000, mostly from strangers. More than $1,200 has been deposited into Casey's jail account since October. Twenty-five dollars came from a Cypress Creek High School student from Hunters Creek, just down the road from the jail.


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VIDEO REPORT: Teen Explains Why He Donated
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Andrew Miller told Eyewitness News he really did it for Casey's father George. The 15-year-old gifted high school freshman said he doesn't have much money, but gave a substantial part of it to Casey Anthony.

Miller said he knows she's been criticized for buying snacks and beauty products with strangers' donations, but said he did it more for her father George, because George's plea at the memorial service that Caylee would have wanted compassion for her mother really got to him.

"He really identified with Caylee and by doing something that Caylee would want would make him feel better," Miller said.

Miller said George's comments at the service tugged at his emotions. He's a teenager, but he's very sensitive. Even at his age, he said he understands George's struggle with depression because it's his struggle, too.

Miller's interest in the case took a deeper turn when George's depression bottomed out last month during an apparent attempted suicide.

"Me and my mom cried up there in the living room watching the news stories," Miller said.

Miller said he needed to go to the memorial service to offer support and said it helped him as much as he hopes it helped George.

"Giving any sort of charity, be it psychological or real like money, it really just makes you feel better inside, helps your psyche a lot," he said.

The Anthony family is having financial difficulties, but George did manage to deposit $125 into Casey's jail account.

[One2Snoop]

I think that once Casey's lawyer tells the jury that she was likely depressed or had some post partum and maybe even allege a bit of sexual molestation,at the very most she will get a manslaughter conviction which will likely get her 7 - 10 years. I think it's more likely that her brother will do more time on an " obstruction of justice " charge than Casey will ever do. imo. I think we will see the waterworks and it will be another Mary Winkler situation where she gets off. imo

I don't agree with you at all but then again you've been posting negative chit all over CL about how women have it easier than men. I don't agree with that either. Whatever.

[Native Alien]

One only needs look at cases like Andrea Yates and Mary Winkler to understand that I am right. If Rusty Yates drowned 5 kids in Texas...he'd get death and if Matthew Winkler shot Mary in bed with a shotgun and went to the beach ..they would say he's a " sociopath" and he'd get death . He would not get off. Casey can say she was also depressed and had some post partum...she can play the gender card too. imo

Toskala, if what you say is true, then exactly why it is that neither the Doctor, who was male, nor Mr. Yates were held accountable for their parts in the death of those children?

I personally find your comdemnation of women more than a little offensive and somewhat tiresome.

[Native Alien]

I have a question and it is honestly because I don't remember. Did I read or hear somewhere that they are expecting another evidence dump this week?

[One2Snoop]

I have a question and it is honestly because I don't remember. Did I read or hear somewhere that they are expecting another evidence dump this week?

The TV Guy Blog that I posted yesterday said there was supposed to be another dump this week. I also read it may not happen until Wed or Friday. Supposed to be another 1,000 pages.

[One2Snoop]

Toskala, if what you say is true, then exactly why it is that neither the Doctor, who was male, nor Mr. Yates were held accountable for their parts in the death of those children?

I personally find your comdemnation of women more than a little offensive and somewhat tiresome.


Amen! :beer:

[One2Snoop]

Caylee's Law is so that no parent or family member of a missing or murdered child can profit in any form. This includes, sales of video, pictures, etc. also included is movies, books, magazine, tabloid or any other form of media.

Caylee's Law should also include a specific timeline that is required for a parent, caregiver is required to report the child missing to Law Enforcement.

This petition is for your ideas of what we can include in Caylees Law and when complete will be forwarded to The congress and Senate for endorsement.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/caylees-law--a-law-to-protect-children?This%20is%20from%20your%20b

[One2Snoop]

Updated: 4:59 p.m.

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez seeks more than $15,000 in damages from Casey Anthony

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
4:59 PM EST, February 24, 2009

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, the woman suing Casey Anthony in a defamation case, wants more than $15,000 in punitive damages, according to papers filed by her attorney, Keith Mitnik.

According to the request, she deserves it for what she has suffered since Anthony told investigators that a nanny named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez at Sawgrass Apartments disappeared with her daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, in June.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Caylee, whose remains were discovered less than a mile from her family home Dec. 11.

A motion filed today requested that Fernandez-Gonzalez, a Kissimmee woman who once looked at an apartment at Sawgrass, receive punitive damages for the damage to her reputation, loss of job, public humiliation and severe emotional distress -- all brought on by Anthony.

The motion was filed with her response to Anthony's efforts to get the lawsuit dismissed.

A hearing is set May to hear arguments on the matter.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-zenaida-022409,0,7027502.story?track=rss

[javahog]

Amen! :beer:

To invoke Churchill via Loretta:

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Nails it.

[javahog]

Updated: 4:59 p.m.

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez seeks more than $15,000 in damages from Casey Anthony

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
4:59 PM EST, February 24, 2009

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, the woman suing Casey Anthony in a defamation case, wants more than $15,000 in punitive damages, according to papers filed by her attorney, Keith Mitnik.

According to the request, she deserves it for what she has suffered since Anthony told investigators that a nanny named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez at Sawgrass Apartments disappeared with her daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, in June.

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Caylee, whose remains were discovered less than a mile from her family home Dec. 11.

A motion filed today requested that Fernandez-Gonzalez, a Kissimmee woman who once looked at an apartment at Sawgrass, receive punitive damages for the damage to her reputation, loss of job, public humiliation and severe emotional distress -- all brought on by Anthony.

The motion was filed with her response to Anthony's efforts to get the lawsuit dismissed.

A hearing is set May to hear arguments on the matter.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-zenaida-022409,0,7027502.story?track=rss

I don't get it. Mind you, I support her, but Casey has no dinero, the whole world knows not only is she not the nanny, there is no nanny...why go through the stress?

Maybe she is just so mad she wants to help nail C. through depos, etc...

[javahog]

Just more lawyer dancing

http://www.wesh.com/news/18786804/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I don't get it. Mind you, I support her, but Casey has no dinero, the whole world knows not only is she not the nanny, there is no nanny...why go through the stress?

Maybe she is just so mad she wants to help nail C. through depos, etc...


Since Cindy and George were supporting her and she was living at home can't Zenaida get money out of them somehow?

[javahog]

Since Cindy and George were supporting her and she was living at home can't Zenaida get money out of them somehow?

I honestly don't think so since relatives are not held for others debts except by marriage. I wonder if they are going for intentional complicity by the 'rents so they can get a lien on the house-I can't imagine they won't sell and be done with it...

I do hope ZFG can take anything donated to the treat fund, though (sorry, nice teenage boy!)

[browneyes106]

I honestly don't think so since relatives are not held for others debts except by marriage. I wonder if they are going for intentional complicity by the 'rents so they can get a lien on the house-I can't imagine they won't sell and be done with it...

I do hope ZFG can take anything donated to the treat fund, though (sorry, nice teenage boy!)


I agree ZFG should get the treat fund money too. I think the teenage boy should have donated money to another charity.

[browneyes106]

Surprised that Evans has waited so long to make an attempt to gag LP; he's been on the Daisy Chain Conspiracy for months. What I've read is that Kronk lived/lives with a woman who has a position in the OC jail (as a jailer maybe?), and she may have given Kronk information about where to find Caylee's remains. (How she got the information is a mystery to me. Why would Casey tell her?)

Dumbarse response from LP.

I remember one time on NG LP said that one of Anthony's neighbors was Kronk's supervisor and was apart of the Daisy Chain.

[javahog]

I remember one time on NG LP said that one of Anthony's neighbors was Kronk's supervisor and was apart of the Daisy Chain.

I would be so flippin' outraged if I were these guys! Imagine just tooling along, doing your "good enough for government work" job, and then you get sucked into LP's fantasy land.

(unless its true, of course...)

[javahog]

Interesting that Lee is going ahead with deposition. Does he have Conway, too? Or his own lawyer?

Of course, if he can say "I have no idea" to everything, why not answer? So CA and GA, can't you say that, too?

And on NG, they are complaining that a doll on ebay based on Casey in a flag was pulled off. Why is it ok to sell a casey "voodoo" doll and not an "anything but clothes" doll? Both are ok or both are wrong imo...

[javahog]

Somebody enlighten me-did i see right??? I had company and NG on but no volume-did i see right-something about the Caylee doll still for sale. Oh lordy.

yes. yes.

[javahog]

Lettuce pray. LMAO

http://i29.tinypic.com/oaoznt.jpg !!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Lettuce pray. LMAO

http://i29.tinypic.com/oaoznt.jpg !!!

http://i10.tinypic.com/2cfzkmh.jpg

[One2Snoop]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2cfzkmh.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/n2l7iu.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i43.tinypic.com/n2l7iu.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/16jh9pw.jpg

[Native Alien]

Somebody enlighten me-did i see right??? I had company and NG on but no volume-did i see right-something about the Caylee doll still for sale. Oh lordy.

I stand corrected. I thought that they were talking about the Casey (Barbie doll) doll that was on ebay but apparently not.

Now it is a whole collection of Sunshine dolls.

http://www.cayleedoll.com/

[beachbum]

O/T but IF ANYONE IS IN MARION COUNTY MisS. YOU NEED TO LOCK YOUR DOORS DUE TO A MASS ESCAPE OF PRISONERS!

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9889268

Newsflash--I was just watching the news and they caught 3 of those escapees in North Little Rock, Arkansas last night and two not far from they caught those 3. They caught another one in Hattiesburg MS in a motel. I believe there still maybe one on the run.

http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9889268

[NMurphy02]

I think that once Casey's lawyer tells the jury that she was likely depressed or had some post partum and maybe even allege a bit of sexual molestation,at the very most she will get a manslaughter conviction which will likely get her 7 - 10 years. I think it's more likely that her brother will do more time on an " obstruction of justice " charge than Casey will ever do. imo. I think we will see the waterworks and it will be another Mary Winkler situation where she gets off. imo


Another woman that made me sick!!!!!! Ohhh boo hoo he made me wear a wig and have S*X with him!!!

Whateva...

[tv]

Not that it matters, but I think Beth looked better before the surgery. The nose and the mouth just look weird to me. I don't understand having a missing child and being able to care enough about my appearance to do something as drastic as have plastic surgery. It could have been her way of distracting herself and coping -- it just wouldn't be me. :shrug:

[javahog]

Yes, she got away with murder. Hasn't anyone in the throws of hysterical murder of a spouse ever heard the word, "DIVORCE"?

Yeah, I don't get how spouse murderers get off. Unless you are actively being assaulted, making it self-defense, it is reprehensible. Worse than regular murder, imo, because one PARENT is killing another. Shooting a sleeping man in the back? Should have gotten the firing squad herself, imo. And never custody. She didn't like the wig and shoes so she shot her husband? Well what happens if she catches a kid surfing a porn site? Shoot them too? Dangerously unbalanced, imo.

[javahog]

Kronk owes back child support and just paid $5000 of it...what was the amount of the reward he was given? was it 5 or 8?

Anyway, not that it relates to this case at all and is really nobody's business but the exes and the employer who has to garnish...http://www.wftv.com/news/18787063/detail.html

You know, after thinking some more about it. why the H is this news??? Is anyone who reports something to the police a public figure now??? and anything going on in their lives is public fodder??? This is ridiculous. Next time I see a dead body, I will be very tempted to keep on walking and let the next guy find it. Forget ever being a witness. Between this sort of thing and the Daisy Chain, many crimes will go unsolved because witnesses do NOT COME FORWARD. And who can blame them?

[One2Snoop]

Kronk owes back child support and just paid $5000 of it...what was the amount of the reward he was given? was it 5 or 8?

Anyway, not that it relates to this case at all and is really nobody's business but the exes and the employer who has to garnish...http://www.wftv.com/news/18787063/detail.html

You know, after thinking some more about it. why the H is this news??? Is anyone who reports something to the police a public figure now??? and anything going on in their lives is public fodder??? This is ridiculous. Next time I see a dead body, I will be very tempted to keep on walking and let the next guy find it. Forget ever being a witness. Between this sort of thing and the Daisy Chain, many crimes will go unsolved because witnesses do NOT COME FORWARD. And who can blame them?

I agree Java. I saw that article yesterday and decided not to post it here for the same reasons you posted above. The media just doesn't know when to quit IMO.

[javahog]

I agree Java. I saw that article yesterday and decided not to post it here for the same reasons you posted above. The media just doesn't know when to quit IMO.

Yeah, I thought about taking it out, but since I'd already made the mistake...it is good to read the comments that people made about it on the site. The vast majority are reaming them for reporting it. Maybe they will think twice. I should put my rant there, not here...

[Amy]

One only needs look at cases like Andrea Yates and Mary Winkler to understand that I am right. If Rusty Yates drowned 5 kids in Texas...he'd get death and if Matthew Winkler shot Mary in bed with a shotgun and went to the beach ..they would say he's a " sociopath" and he'd get death . He would not get off. Casey can say she was also depressed and had some post partum...she can play the gender card too. imo

Some post partum what? Depression? Psychosis? What? If one would follow even ONE of the links on post partum depression or psychosis, one would learn that it doesn't just pop up after 2 1/ to 3 years after delivery. Surely the defense team has researched the post partum fiction and would not be so foolish as to present that as part of the defense. And, that would fit under the category of "guilty but insane" defense--and as has been posted often here, very few believe that Casey would admit to killing Caylee, which she would have to do in order to apply the imaginary post partum defense.

[Amy]

Just more lawyer dancing

http://www.wesh.com/news/18786804/detail.html

"the family has no money" for her to win. Well, Mr Conway, dearie--as I read the lawsuit, it is not against "the family" but against one Miss Casey Anthony. So, whether or not "the family" has any money is quite beside the point. And ON the point, it does seem that Casey (thru Baez) IS or HAS come into some money, what with all the talk about selling pics and videos and such. Which brings me to ANOTHER point--and that would be "the family," the A's in particular receving monies for the same. And, don't forget book and movie deals and such.

Even as a lay person, I understand that civil suits can be as much as PREVENTING the criminal or even the family from profiting from the murder. Either they will forego such deals as they wouldn't get the money anyway (and that, IMO, would be a rather big disappointment to this ZFG, cuz I think she really does want the money) OR, they go thu w/the deals, but the money goes to the plaintiff (if she wins the suit) instead of to the defendant.

IMO IMO IMO

[Amy]

Since Cindy and George were supporting her and she was living at home can't Zenaida get money out of them somehow?

I don't think so. She is not a minor. I would think the suit would have to include the A's as defendants for them to be held responsible for any of the money "won."

[Amy]

Wow Gator!! Good link.

It is very sad that most likely, the Anthony's don't feel the same compassion as that young man. I agree that "Hate hurts most, the one who hates" , and that his kindness was medicinal for him. (Which is a good thing) But I doubt the Anthony's feel the same kind of compassion for anyone. Sadly, they are oblivious to kind people. I do salute that kid though.

I wonder if any of the A's ever send a thank you note to people who donate to the fund who are not "anonymous?" Oh, yeah, forget that. Casey, no way, no how, I am sure she feels she is entitled to the funds, no thanks necessary. And, the A's barely thanked some of those who spent their time and money to search for Caylee, don't suppose they would take the time to actually thank people who donate to any of their "funds."

[Tamarrow]

I don't get it. Mind you, I support her, but Casey has no dinero, the whole world knows not only is she not the nanny, there is no nanny...why go through the stress?

Maybe she is just so mad she wants to help nail C. through depos, etc...

I would think she would be able to get any future money Casey could make from all this ie.. book deals, movie deals and such. Casey named Zeniada as the nanny and said she took her child. Casey ruined her name, Zeniada lost her job and several other things due to this fiasco. Even if Casey and the family don't have money if I were Zeniada I would want my name cleared. I would also demand that Casey make public statements that I did not take her child. Casey didn't mind tossing Zeniadas name out there when it got down to the nitty gritty.

[One2Snoop]

Judge To Decide If Cindy, George Must Testify

Wednesday, February 25, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- There will be a court hearing Wednesday afternoon so Casey Anthony's parents can try to get out of answering questions under oath Thursday morning in Zenaida Gonzalez's lawsuit.

Zenaida Gonzalez of Kissimmee is suing Casey for blaming a nanny by the same name of kidnapping Caylee Anthony, Casey's 2-year-old daughter who was found dead in December.

The Anthonys had previously agreed to answer questions, but now they're claiming they're too emotionally fragile.

Casey's brother Lee is scheduled to answer questions in the defamation lawsuit on Friday morning.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html#-

[wind149]

This woman is not going to get a walk, or a pass even if Johnny Cockroach came back from the dead, she is going to be in prison for the rest of her life or she will die on a gurney, this much I am sure of and Baez is far from a member of the "Dream Team" As for Kronk paying his child support, why in hell did the media feel compelled to make this newsworthy??? He got reward money for finding Caylee, he deserves it, he did what nobody else was able to accomplish and even went so far as to advise authorities about the bag in August and that was their fault for not following through like they should have, and if a cop is afraid of a little ole snake, then he should not wear a uniform, I mean, he carries a firearm for Christ's sakes!!

As for the depo, I know why they don't want to be there, they are still in denial, their daughter named that poor innocent mother of six, whose biggest "crime" was to fill out an application form for an apartment as the one who was the nanny and kidnapper of Caylee and they will have to face her in court, and because their heads are so far up their ass over Casey, they feel that they should not have to give a depo and yet, they too, ran this poor woman's name through the mud on every network and while I have doubt that ZG with ever see any money out of this, at least she can hold her head up high, but I do hope she will be awarded a settlement and the Anthony's be made to pony up the money, they want to stand behind their witch of a daughter, then they can pay ZG some coin out of the search fund, oh, wait a minute, they probably blew most of that for that grand memorial service where they were center stage, I have grown to hate these people. As for people sending her money, there is a sucker born every minute, the kid sure liked his 15 minutes of fame, surely others want to follow suit? Gee, they might get to meet her, wow!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Anything is possible after Mary Winkler. I never would've thought that even a woman could shoot her spouse in bed with a shotgun and go to the beach ....and get off. Now I believe it's definitely possible for any woman to beat any charge. jmo

Isn't there a Mary Winkler thread somewhere?!

[lorettalockhorn]

Andrea murdered them. Not the doctor or Mr. Yates. imo

Isn't there an Andrea Yates thread somewhere?!

[One2Snoop]

Isn't there an Andrea Yates thread somewhere?!

Yes there is....

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=290555

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes there is....

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=290555

Good to know.

Hint hint.

[One2Snoop]

Isn't there a Mary Winkler thread somewhere?!

Sorry I missed this post. There are several threads in the "Women Who Kill" forum....

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=479

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry I missed this post. There are several threads in the "Women Who Kill" forum....

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=479

Shouldn't that be the "Women Who Kill and Get Away With It Making The Rest of Us Law-abiding Non-killer Female Types Suffer at the Hands of a Bitter Misogynist" forum?

[DrewBerry]

Judge To Decide If Cindy, George Must Testify

Wednesday, February 25, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- There will be a court hearing Wednesday afternoon so Casey Anthony's parents can try to get out of answering questions under oath Thursday morning in Zenaida Gonzalez's lawsuit.

Zenaida Gonzalez of Kissimmee is suing Casey for blaming a nanny by the same name of kidnapping Caylee Anthony, Casey's 2-year-old daughter who was found dead in December.

The Anthonys had previously agreed to answer questions, but now they're claiming they're too emotionally fragile.

Casey's brother Lee is scheduled to answer questions in the defamation lawsuit on Friday morning.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html#-

Yeah, they weren't too "emotionally fragile" to go on Today Show, Larry King, etc. GMAFB!!:flamemad:

[wind149]

Mary Winkler is no better than OJ. I did not believe for a minute that he abused her as bad as she claimed, surely, the children would have heard something if he was beating on her? I don't know too many women that have been wailed on will just lay there and take it without screaming and the abuse that she claimed had to have hurt and I have a real problem with the fact she shot him in the back, he was running from her and she dropped him like a chicken. It was the mousy, schoolmarm look that won her sympathy from the jury, she looked so tiny and frail on the stand, weeping over the hooker shoes, answering in that mousy voice, man, she laid it on thick, didn't she??? Now she kills him and splits, if she was so innocent, why did she not pick up a phone, and call 911 and say she was attacked by her husband and shot him in self-defense??? The night Ken wailed on me, I grabbed my cats, and went to the department, sporting a nice black eye and swollen lips. The dispatcher on duty, freaked when she saw my face. Now we lived in NH, so I had to contact the department there, and as a courtesy to me they came to me, and took me to the hospital and photo'd my injuries and then arrested him for aggravated domestic assault and he was held till the next day on $10,000 bail. I never went back to him. I filed for divorce and 5 months later it was granted. He was given probation and had to attend Anger Management classes and fined $1,000, that was it. NH could not use his past record in VT to get a conviction, I was his only victim in NH so he GOT A PASS!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, they weren't too "emotionally fragile" to go on Today Show, Larry King, etc. GMAFB!!:flamemad:

Maybe the court should offer them a apeaking fee. :rolleyes:

If you ask me, they are rationally/logically fragile. Emotionally bereft maybe.

[lorettalockhorn]

Anthonys Avoid Questions In Civil Suit Against Casey

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The civil case against Casey Anthony was fought in court Wednesday afternoon. Casey's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, tried to get out of answering questions under oath in a defamation lawsuit filed against their daughter Casey and they were successful, at least for a now.

The day before the Anthonys were supposed to be questioned about their public comments naming Zenaida Gonzalez as the woman who took Caylee, the Anthonys' attorney told the judge it wouldn't be fair to force them to face depositions with cameras rolling.

George Anthony testified against his daughter Casey on October 14 of last year before a grand jury for first-degree murder. He and Cindy testified at Casey's bond hearing in July when they wanted to get her out of jail, only days after George said he believed that Caylee's body had been in Casey's car trunk

But Wednesday, their attorney went to court telling a judge that they are not emotionally able to handle testifying in the defamation lawsuit against their daughter Casey...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html

[Justice Denied?]

http://i10.tinypic.com/2cfzkmh.jpg

Look who is telling who to behave - Ms. Never do nothin' wrong. HAAAA! You lost your angel wings a long time ago. Y'all remember do as she says not as she does. LOL

[Molly3]

Can't wait to see Casey Anthony get what she deserves for the cold blooded
murder of her little girl. Makes me sick to this day what she did to that child.

Have no use for the Anthony's. I've never held a victim's family is such low
esteem as I do them. Horrible, horrible.

[Justice Denied?]

Judge To Decide If Cindy, George Must Testify

Wednesday, February 25, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- There will be a court hearing Wednesday afternoon so Casey Anthony's parents can try to get out of answering questions under oath Thursday morning in Zenaida Gonzalez's lawsuit.

Zenaida Gonzalez of Kissimmee is suing Casey for blaming a nanny by the same name of kidnapping Caylee Anthony, Casey's 2-year-old daughter who was found dead in December.

The Anthonys had previously agreed to answer questions, but now they're claiming they're too emotionally fragile.

Casey's brother Lee is scheduled to answer questions in the defamation lawsuit on Friday morning.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18792577/detail.html#-

Does this indicate a split in the anthony ranks? Maybe the As are not as united as they claim.

[lorettalockhorn]

You missed some posts. The argument was about how Casey can get off ...in comparison to other cases where female murderers got off. imo

Haven't missed any posts.

[lorettalockhorn]

Look who is telling who to behave - Ms. Never do nothin' wrong. HAAAA! You lost your angel wings a long time ago. Y'all remember do as she says not as she does. LOL

LMAO I've never claimed that I don't misbehave. You may have missed what was going on there, but in the future, I'll try to be just like you. :rolleyes:

(I've never had angel wings to lose. Can you tell me where you got yours? Please, pretty please?)

[lorettalockhorn]

Does this indicate a split in the anthony ranks? Maybe the As are not as united as they claim.

Maybe you missed where it was reported that Lee is more than willing to be deposed and answer that he doesn't know anything.

[Molly3]

I don't really blame the grandparents only because that would have to be a tough spot to be in. I think that the power of denial would be very strong , although I think it has diminished over time. imo.


I think it was a very disfunctional family. The stress between Cindy and Casey is apparent even to a tv audience, like me. From all accounts, Cindy
tried to control Casey's behavior thru Caylee. Jealousy, prima donnas, money problems, irresponsible behavior and a control freak in Cindy to boot.

Now ole George, I have mixed emotions. Life in that house with 2 screaming women must have been difficult. Then I feel he should have been less a Casper Milquetoast.
imho

[Molly3]

Old Soul, all I could think of when he was spouting that trash was CMA usta
mean cover my arse. Thought that was mighty appropriate.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Chicklets, looks like Cindy got herself another 20 days to compose herself for the deposition.:rolleyes: WTH, there's never going to be a good time to fess up about Zenaida.... Why don't they just do the right thing and this part will finally go away for them. For their daughter, now that's another story.
Florida law enables it to be done publicly. If they continue to play this game and have Brad fight the public videotaping of this, the media can and will file whatever they need to (to be there). Wanna bet the judge will let it through? There is no getting out of this. So far, not a peep out of Lee pulling any crap to get out of this...ooooooh, what's CMA,CMA going to think when he has to admit he never heard of this woman before approximately July 3rd or later?

Is she going to be proud of him then?

I'm confuzzled. Is Conway saying that the Anthonys aren't psychologically ready to be deposed because of the cameras? Morgan is telling Mike Galanos that he doesn't care if the media is there or not, he just wants to depose them. Period. He says he has emails from the public expressing outrage.

[javahog]

Isn't there an Andrea Yates thread somewhere?!

silly you! there aren't enough goats crossing that bridge for it to be fun.

[lorettalockhorn]

Gee, NG isn't coddling G&C tonight, wondering how twenty days will restore then to emotional stability. And some attorney says that G&C aren't party to this defamation case. Gee, how many times did they implicate Zanny in public? How can they not be party?

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony case: How fragile are George and Cindy?
posted by halboedeker on Feb 25, 2009 6:27:14 PM

George and Cindy Anthony won one Wednesday, but probably not in the long run.

They don't have to give depositions on Thursday in a defamation suit against their daughter, Casey Anthony, who is charged with murdering her daughter, Caylee. A judge delayed the depositions for at least 20 days.

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez alleges that Casey Anthony defamed her by linking her to Caylee's disappearance. But George and Cindy's emotional health was the big issue Wednesday night.

"Their attorney went to court telling a judge they are not emotionally able to handle testifying in the defamation lawsuit against their daughter," WFTV-Channel 9's Kathi Belich said. Then she added, "But he did not bring any evidence to court today that would legally prevent them from testifying."

Fernandez-Gonzalez's lawyers say that Cindy Anthony didn't avoid the media during the stressful time that Caylee Anthony was reported missing, Bob Kealing of WESH-Channel 2 reported.

"The question at the end of the day here is whether the Anthonys truly are too grief-stricken to go through what could be a public process of giving sworn testimony under oath or is it simply a question they have gotten cold feet," Kealing said.

Judge Jose Rodriguez questioned whether the media have a right to attend the depositions, WKMG-Channel 6's Mike DeForest reported. The 20-day delay will give him time to research the matter and let the media make their case to be present.

"We're not inviting anyone to this," Fernandez-Gonzalez attorney Keith Mitnik said of the depositions. "It's a high-profile matter that everyone is interested in. And I'm not going to stand in the way of the media."

Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, has said the media's presence would add to the couple's stress.

But WFTV's Belich explored the Anthonys' history with the media. "The Anthonys have never been media shy," she said. "Even after Caylee's remains were found and George Anthony's apparent suicide attempt, they've made very public appearances at Caylee's memorial service this month and the Anthonys have shown up more than once in Putman County, interjecting themselves for some reason into the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings."

WKMG's DeForest noted that even if the media are barred, videotaped versions of the depositions are likely to become public record. The deposition of Lee Anthony, Casey's brother, is still scheduled for Friday.

"Once the media show up, will Lee Anthony's attorneys allow Lee to actually answer the questions or will they walk out?" DeForest asked.

Another possible reason for the deposition delay? Belich speculated that Casey's criminal defense team could want to hold on to the Zenaida theory to create reasonable doubt at the murder trial. "That is exactly what Zenaida Gonzalez is worried about," Belich said.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/casey-anthony-case-how-fragile-are-george-and-cindy.html

[Justice Denied?]

LMAO I've never claimed that I don't misbehave. You may have missed what was going on there, but in the future, I'll try to be just like you. :rolleyes:

(I've never had angel wings to lose. Can you tell me where you got yours? Please, pretty please?)

Now, I have been known to mispeak on ocassion. What did I miss? Don't emulate me. You will end up in more trouble than you can get out of. I got my wings at Wally World, doesn't everyone?

[DrewBerry]

Hey Chicklets, looks like Cindy got herself another 20 days to compose herself for the deposition.:rolleyes: WTH, there's never going to be a good time to fess up about Zenaida.... Why don't they just do the right thing and this part will finally go away for them. For their daughter, now that's another story.
Florida law enables it to be done publicly. If they continue to play this game and have Brad fight the public videotaping of this, the media can and will file whatever they need to (to be there). Wanna bet the judge will let it through? There is no getting out of this. So far, not a peep out of Lee pulling any crap to get out of this...ooooooh, what's CMA,CMA going to think when he has to admit he never heard of this woman before approximately July 3rd or later?

Is she going to be proud of him then?

OS, did you see Mark Klaas on NG tonight? He's the best! Re: the Ants being too emotionally fragile to give deps. Mark said We all have to go through stressful times and and emotionally draining situations. They've always been right there in front of the cameras.
Yeah, CMA is waiting for another slobbery kiss. Wasn't that gross? Lee better cover his arse!

[DrewBerry]

Right! Far be it from me to fan the fire but that woman and her two younger children are now living in a shelter, because of Ms Casey and her lies... so I've read. (Sorry, no link) She wouldn't know what that's like, being as privileged as she always was.. but I suppose shelters are better than jail eh?
Everything is fair. I hope Zenaida gets her money.

Me too, Dan. I hope she gets some monetary compensation. The Ants. seem to think they are soooo special---they don't care about anyone. Emotionally fragile my ass. Zenaida has had to rearrange her whole life with her children because of Liar.

[wind149]

This really sucks to know that Z is living in a shelter and I wish there was a way I could help her, she was caught up in something that by no means her fault .I am still so curious as to how CA got her name. I know she had friends living at those apts, but how she able to access that info? Surely the office did not give it to her? I have a theory, among the many men this skank apparently banged wasn't one of them an Orange County Deputy that was canned for lying about dating her? I wonder if she saw Z at those apts in her car, copped the plate # and decided to ask boyfriend to run the plate for her??? And I am really hating Cindy at this point, she is as bad as her daughter and I really hate her for trashing Z on every freaking show, I agree, can't handle going to a depo, but could not wait to be on the Today Show, Larry King, GMA, Early Show, hell were they on Dr. Phil too??? These people are trash too, maybe a different income bracket, but no better than the Cummings/Sheffield clan, the truth seems to escape them all. But the one difference between them, actually in favor more so towards C/S is they are not hogging the camera, they don't want to appear on every show, Cindy can't wait. I am wondering really how much she really loved Caylee, I truly am. I thought that memorial service was just disgusting. She has to pick the biggest damm church in the town, blows off two people who spent their own money searching for HER GRANDDAUGHTER, one of which bailed out her sorry ass DAUGHTER, 10,000 freaking volunteers came with one of them, I am surprised she did not have Celine Dion or Kenny Rogers or Beyonce singing at that damm thing!!! I was appalled at the whole thing. A private service just wouldn't do, can't have 102 cameras in a small church, the damm thing was even on Telemundo!!! So my feelings are this, these people are asswipes, their daughter is just as bad as Susan Smith and I hope she spends a miserable life behind bars or she gets a needle in her arm 14 years from now and that will be the one time that Cindy and George can't have 2,000 people in attendance and 102 cameras and God will not have mercy on her soul.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, I'm pretty sure that when/if any officer runs a plate through the NCIC system, (s)he has to log in; Casey's deputy's query would have showed up on their logs, and I'm guessing (for now at least) that it didn't.

You have to love the irony here; Cindy was practically intoning Zanny's name, but now that she has the chance to tell Morgan under oath what she knows about her she's too Femotionally Ffragile. GMAB

(My laptop fell on it's little head the other day and wouldn't you just know that it's the F key that barely works? What's that going to do to my vocabulary?!)

[lighthousedazy]

Watching NG tonight something occurred to me when they re-played the tapes of the liar. In one of them, as she was talking about Zanaida, she said, "She's been my nanny for a year and a half, um, to two years... I sat up straight in my chair..hmm, that means Zanny has been taking care of Caylee since she was only a few months old? My mind went to the Anthonys who supposedly raised Caylee. And, they didn't know liar had been out of work for five years either. *Though George did question it when she called to tell him zanny was in a car accident and he asked her why she wasn't working..*

The shrink on NG wasn't sure what she thought. (?) This business about the A's not wanting to testify got covered pretty well. The elephant really is in the living room!

They are too emotionally fragile to confront the media.

To quote Drewberry, "MY ASS"Exactly. It is my opinion that maybe they are thinking they are above the law and that they can just get out of all of this by the lawyers finagling to eternity and it seems they also think caysee can just get off. argh!! :cuss: The Ants are as selfish and "me first" as caysee is. jmo

[mu8shark]

Exactly. It is my opinion that maybe they are thinking they are above the law and that they can just get out of all of this by the lawyers finagling to eternity and it seems they also think caysee can just get off. argh!! :cuss: The Ants are as selfish and "me first" as caysee is. jmo They should just get it over with and tell what they know. They just don't want to tell the truth, that there is no nanny and never was one., Also very , very interesting what someone just pointed out that if Zanny was watching Caylee for about two years then Caylee was about two months old when she began watching her and Cindy knew nothing about her, never met her.... pffft..... the number one reason there is no nanny, because Cindy would the controller would know every single detail about a nanny for her granddaughter. And the way Casey has been I don't particulary blame her, but seriously they need to just cooperate for f ing once.

[Amy]

They should just get it over with and tell what they know. They just don't want to tell the truth, that there is no nanny and never was one., Also very , very interesting what someone just pointed out that if Zanny was watching Caylee for about two years then Caylee was about two months old when she began watching her and Cindy knew nothing about her, never met her.... pffft..... the number one reason there is no nanny, because Cindy would the controller would know every single detail about a nanny for her granddaughter. And the way Casey has been I don't particulary blame her, but seriously they need to just cooperate for f ing once.

Just like my momma told me, I tell my dd--just GET IT OVER WITH!!!! The longer you put off an unpleasant task, the harder it gets to do--PLUS, you spend so much time dreading it that you can't enjoy anything until you get it over with.

I guess, tho, if the A's get the deposition over with, what will they (Conway) use to keep them front and center in the news? And, what will they use to distract from "the trial" that is looming?

[Native Alien]

Here is what I see, and mind you, this is just my opinion.

The judge is doing everything by the book. He is giving the media time to present it's arguments as to why it should be allowed to tape or do live video of the depositions. He is giving the Anthonys time to prove to him why they shouldn't be deposed at this time. This way he is doing his best to make sure that there are no reversals based on anything that the court does.

What I see him doing in 20 days is this. I believe that he will tell them to buck up and do the depositions in 20 days. He will allow video, ( they do alot of videotaping of depositions here in Ohio), but no media. Once those tapes are turned over to the defense then they can be released to the public. Sunshine law and all.

To me, this is the solution that makes the most sense. Depositions are videotaped all the time. Just not by the mass media. I think this will be his way of taking care of all of this mess.

[DrewBerry]

You may be right NA. And maybe the A's are the reason their kids have a sense of entitlement. I get the feeling (and I've seen this) that they will use their Caylee button as a free pass for the rest of their lives, for everything they want or don't want to do.

Poor Caylee it seems, was used, for one reason or another all of her little life.I wish someone would stand up and rally for her.

These people refuse to understand they are protecting a murderer. Caylee is gone and they are focused on Casey, no matter what she did. When George mentioned at the memorial that Casey needs our prayers and compassion, he wanted to come off like some highly spiritual man, who had a grip on the depth of consciousness and the benevolence of God. (impossible) Cindy put on her sensitive kind face at that memorial and the world knows she's a screaming skull. It was all theatrical jargon. We won't talk about Mr. CMA. They seemed pleased with themselves as the camera's rolled because they were feigning integrity.

Now they are being asked to go to court to do something right for someone else and they are too fragile. They won't fess up to "ANYTHING" their daughter did wrong; From killing Caylee to ruining Zanaida's life. Not a thing. So they find Caylee dispensable, and Casey worthy of their support. There is no integrity in that.

If she were my daughter, I'd throw her under the bus and drive it right over her myself. She did it, and they know why. I think their support is shot full of guilt for not fixing what they saw as a problem when she was five years old. It was lazy parenting IMO.

From my armchair to your ears.


:confused:

I couldn't have said it better, Dan! They intentionally turned the memorial for their murdered granddaughter into a CMA CIRCUS!! I, too, thought George needs to grow a pair! WTF asking everyone to pray for the Liar. He should have been asking for everyone to pray for his innocent granddaughter. What a bunch of BS!

(PS: If it seems that my anger level has risen, I just lost my job this week due to cutbacks and we had NO warning!! Yes, I am furious but I know it is the sign of the times:()

[Tamarrow]

Watching NG tonight something occurred to me when they re-played the tapes of the liar. In one of them, as she was talking about Zanaida, she said, "She's been my nanny for a year and a half, um, to two years... I sat up straight in my chair..hmm, that means Zanny has been taking care of Caylee since she was only a few months old? My mind went to the Anthonys who supposedly raised Caylee. And, they didn't know liar had been out of work for five years either. *Though George did question it when she called to tell him zanny was in a car accident and he asked her why she wasn't working..*

The shrink on NG wasn't sure what she thought. (?) This business about the A's not wanting to testify got covered pretty well. The elephant really is in the living room!

They are too emotionally fragile to confront the media.

To quote Drewberry, "MY ASS"

I think I read somewhere that Casey knew Z for a total of 4 years ? If this is true wouldn't Mom, Dad and Lee at least have heard her name. She lived in the house surely she mentioned her "friend" Zanny, then when she started watching Caylee seems she would have talked about the childs day at the Nannys with Cindy. If Cindy was so into Caylee's life wouldn't she have wanted to meet the woman taking care of her or at the very least speak with her on the phone. I think when Casey started using Zeniada the Anthonys were like.. Who?? And how can Lee honestly go to be deposed and say he doesn't know Zeniada or ever heard of her before this? :shrug:

Because Casey is a Liar. The Anthonys had to have known since the start of all this Casey was not telling the truth about Zeniada.

[DrewBerry]

Awwwwwwwwww Drew ~ sorry to hear about your job status....Listen up, girl, now you Know that when one door closes, another one opens ~ just 'go for it' (you Will find another job) and you have our prayers ..and blessings!

:beer:

As for the memorial.....Uh Huh.

Thanks for the kind words and prayers, OS! I need good energy sent my way right now. :)

[Gatordog]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-asec-casey-anthony-evidence-022609,0,1156694.story

Gator

[Gatordog]

I couldn't have said it better, Dan! They intentionally turned the memorial for their murdered granddaughter into a CMA CIRCUS!! I, too, thought George needs to grow a pair! WTF asking everyone to pray for the Liar. He should have been asking for everyone to pray for his innocent granddaughter. What a bunch of BS!

(PS: If it seems that my anger level has risen, I just lost my job this week due to cutbacks and we had NO warning!! Yes, I am furious but I know it is the sign of the times:()

I'm sorry for your job loss. I hope that it won't be for long.

Joanne

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm not seeing it here. Do you really think this man molested his daughter? Coming from her (if it did) is totally nuts IMO. Now, if you said that he had a torrid love affair with a local waitress, that, I'd believe. ( Rightfully so), when you have this controlling wife and daughter running the house, berating you a every level....we read those e mails.

Her actions, even on a psychological level if you were to look at that, don't point to molestation. Even a skank like Casey would not leave Caylee with George if that were the case ~ she would use that as leverage against him. They were all supposedly pissed at him at one time, when they seperated.
Was it because of the money he lost? Was it because of an affair? Then I could see Casey and Lee having one up on him, him cheating on their mother. (All the other dysfunctions in their house aside). In the jail visit, she said she missed seeing and talking to him the most, because despite what happened with him and Cindy and her being mad at him, he was still treating her as innocent, and his' beautiful girl'.

Everything out of her mouth is lies, and for attention. I don't believe that story if she said it.

I just don't see it. There would be other signs also, but they are not there.

From what I've read, George had an affair and of course, he has admitted to losing the money in the email scam. What I find interesting, is that when he and Cindy were separated, he is the one who filed for divorce. That took some balls. It tells me that at that time, he was ready to try and make something of his life by getting away from the two shrews at home. Bet it was Caylee that brought him back. He probably couldn't bear for her to be in that toxic environment alone.

[DrewBerry]

I think I read somewhere that Casey knew Z for a total of 4 years ? If this is true wouldn't Mom, Dad and Lee at least have heard her name. She lived in the house surely she mentioned her "friend" Zanny, then when she started watching Caylee seems she would have talked about the childs day at the Nannys with Cindy. If Cindy was so into Caylee's life wouldn't she have wanted to meet the woman taking care of her or at the very least speak with her on the phone. I think when Casey started using Zeniada the Anthonys were like.. Who?? And how can Lee honestly go to be deposed and say he doesn't know Zeniada or ever heard of her before this? :shrug:

Because Casey is a Liar. The Anthonys had to have known since the start of all this Casey was not telling the truth about Zeniada.

Hey, Tam. Of course they knew.Each and every one of them have lied for CA, covered for her and slobbered for her (insert Lee moaning CMA!). Cindy is up to her neck in her own lies. Can't wait to find out what she has to say when deposed. Oh, yeah. She needs 20 more days to get her stories together. After watching her in old videos when the detectives were interviewing her, it is clear she's doing her best to confuse LE. Word salad. Just like her daughter. They speak gobbly-gook!

[lorettalockhorn]

I couldn't have said it better, Dan! They intentionally turned the memorial for their murdered granddaughter into a CMA CIRCUS!! I, too, thought George needs to grow a pair! WTF asking everyone to pray for the Liar. He should have been asking for everyone to pray for his innocent granddaughter. What a bunch of BS!

(PS: If it seems that my anger level has risen, I just lost my job this week due to cutbacks and we had NO warning!! Yes, I am furious but I know it is the sign of the times:()

Drew, so sorry to hear about your job. We'll keep our fingers crossed for you to get back to work soon. (We're really good finger crossers here!)

I wasn't one bit surprised by Cindy's comments at the memorial service, but I was disappointed in George; that he's hooked on the Casey Koolaid.

[Gatordog]

Watching NG tonight something occurred to me when they re-played the tapes of the liar. In one of them, as she was talking about Zanaida, she said, "She's been my nanny for a year and a half, um, to two years... I sat up straight in my chair..hmm, that means Zanny has been taking care of Caylee since she was only a few months old? My mind went to the Anthonys who supposedly raised Caylee. And, they didn't know liar had been out of work for five years either. *Though George did question it when she called to tell him zanny was in a car accident and he asked her why she wasn't working..*

The shrink on NG wasn't sure what she thought. (?) This business about the A's not wanting to testify got covered pretty well. The elephant really is in the living room!

They are too emotionally fragile to confront the media.

To quote Drewberry, "MY ASS"

It's difficult keeping those lies straight when you have based your whole life on them. I blame the parents, they probably thought it was cute when she was young and we know Cindy also buys into that lifestyle as well.

In that family, beauty comes first, honesty falls way behind.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-asec-casey-anthony-evidence-022609,0,1156694.story

Gator

That's a really good summary, thanks!

Besides the death band hair sample and the decomposition air samples, is there anything else that y'all can think of that the defense is calling junk science?

[lorettalockhorn]

It's difficult keeping those lies straight when you have based your whole life on them. I blame the parents, they probably thought it was cute when she was young and we know Cindy also buys into that lifestyle as well.

In that family, beauty comes first, honesty falls way behind.

Gator

HAH! Apparently they're not familiar with Mr. Keats: "Truth is beauty; and beauty is truth".

[Justice Denied?]

This really sucks to know that Z is living in a shelter and I wish there was a way I could help her, she was caught up in something that by no means her fault .I am still so curious as to how CA got her name. I know she had friends living at those apts, but how she able to access that info? Surely the office did not give it to her? I have a theory, among the many men this skank apparently banged wasn't one of them an Orange County Deputy that was canned for lying about dating her? I wonder if she saw Z at those apts in her car, copped the plate # and decided to ask boyfriend to run the plate for her??? And I am really hating Cindy at this point, she is as bad as her daughter and I really hate her for trashing Z on every freaking show, I agree, can't handle going to a depo, but could not wait to be on the Today Show, Larry King, GMA, Early Show, hell were they on Dr. Phil too??? These people are trash too, maybe a different income bracket, but no better than the Cummings/Sheffield clan, the truth seems to escape them all. But the one difference between them, actually in favor more so towards C/S is they are not hogging the camera, they don't want to appear on every show, Cindy can't wait. I am wondering really how much she really loved Caylee, I truly am. I thought that memorial service was just disgusting. She has to pick the biggest damm church in the town, blows off two people who spent their own money searching for HER GRANDDAUGHTER, one of which bailed out her sorry ass DAUGHTER, 10,000 freaking volunteers came with one of them, I am surprised she did not have Celine Dion or Kenny Rogers or Beyonce singing at that damm thing!!! I was appalled at the whole thing. A private service just wouldn't do, can't have 102 cameras in a small church, the damm thing was even on Telemundo!!! So my feelings are this, these people are asswipes, their daughter is just as bad as Susan Smith and I hope she spends a miserable life behind bars or she gets a needle in her arm 14 years from now and that will be the one time that Cindy and George can't have 2,000 people in attendance and 102 cameras and God will not have mercy on her soul.

Don't forget that running the plates on her car would not give the names of her daughters, which Casey claimed were Zani's roommates. She has to have gotten access to that card some way.

Cindyand George were not too distraught to appear on Geraldo after the remains were found, but I don't think they have done any since George's breakdown. My question is: If they loved Caylee so much they are this distraught, why don't they want to see the person ressponsible tried and punished. I just feel so sorry for Caylee.

[DrewBerry]

From what I've read, George had an affair and of course, he has admitted to losing the money in the email scam. What I find interesting, is that when he and Cindy were separated, he is the one who filed for divorce. That took some balls. It tells me that at that time, he was ready to try and make something of his life by getting away from the two shrews at home. Bet it was Caylee that brought him back. He probably couldn't bear for her to be in that toxic environment alone.

Unfortunately, George wasn't able to save his granddaughter from that toxic mess of a family. He was outnumbered by the two shrews! I've often wondered what George and Lee's relationship is like. . .just my observations but it appears the two males are not close at all and I can bet why.

[Justice Denied?]

Wind, I'm pretty sure that when/if any officer runs a plate through the NCIC system, (s)he has to log in; Casey's deputy's query would have showed up on their logs, and I'm guessing (for now at least) that it didn't.

You have to love the irony here; Cindy was practically intoning Zanny's name, but now that she has the chance to tell Morgan under oath what she knows about her she's too Femotionally Ffragile. GMAB

(My laptop fell on it's little head the other day and wouldn't you just know that it's the F key that barely works? What's that going to do to my vocabulary?!)

Oh my goodness! You could end up mute! How horrible!

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't forget that running the plates on her car would not give the names of her daughters, which Casey claimed were Zani's roommates. She has to have gotten access to that card some way.

Cindyand George were not too distraught to appear on Geraldo after the remains were found, but I don't think they have done any since George's breakdown. My question is: If they loved Caylee so much they are this distraught, why don't they want to see the person ressponsible tried and punished. I just feel so sorry for Caylee.

Didn't Mr. Morgan tell a news type that the car was actually registered in Zenaida's daughter's name, or in both their names?

George hasn't been too distraught to be in the media talking about the "exclusive club" he's in while in Satsuma.

It's a crying shame that Caylee continues to be re-victimized by her grandparents. The memorial was nothing short of shabby.

[DrewBerry]

Drew, so sorry to hear about your job. We'll keep our fingers crossed for you to get back to work soon. (We're really good finger crossers here!)

I wasn't one bit surprised by Cindy's comments at the memorial service, but I was disappointed in George; that he's hooked on the Casey Koolaid.

Thanks for "the crossing of the fingers" everyone! I've been frantically sending out resumes this week. Here in Seattle, we are starting to feel the jobless rate catch up to the rest of the country. There is one advantage to being home all day now---I have more time to spend on these boards with such great company!:)

Yeah, Loretta. I was soooo disappointed in George, not to mention "slobber-lips". Casey Koolaid!! (good one!). Lee is drunk on it.

[Gatordog]

Wind, I'm pretty sure that when/if any officer runs a plate through the NCIC system, (s)he has to log in; Casey's deputy's query would have showed up on their logs, and I'm guessing (for now at least) that it didn't.

You have to love the irony here; Cindy was practically intoning Zanny's name, but now that she has the chance to tell Morgan under oath what she knows about her she's too Femotionally Ffragile. GMAB

(My laptop fell on it's little head the other day and wouldn't you just know that it's the F key that barely works? What's that going to do to my vocabulary?!)

Uh-Oh, the "F" is a real problem. If it get's real bad, use the K, we'll know what you mean. :tongue:

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm not seeing it here. Do you really think this man molested his daughter? Coming from her (if it did) is totally nuts IMO. Now, if you said that he had a torrid love affair with a local waitress, that, I'd believe. ( Rightfully so), when you have this controlling wife and daughter running the house, berating you a every level....we read those e mails.

Her actions, even on a psychological level if you were to look at that, don't point to molestation. Even a skank like Casey would not leave Caylee with George if that were the case ~ she would use that as leverage against him. They were all supposedly pissed at him at one time, when they seperated.
Was it because of the money he lost? Was it because of an affair? Then I could see Casey and Lee having one up on him, him cheating on their mother. (All the other dysfunctions in their house aside). In the jail visit, she said she missed seeing and talking to him the most, because despite what happened with him and Cindy and her being mad at him, he was still treating her as innocent, and his' beautiful girl'.

Everything out of her mouth is lies, and for attention. I don't believe that story if she said it.

I just don't see it. There would be other signs also, but they are not there.

I was sort of wondering about George myself. Now that we know Lee is not the father, could George be? Then I decided not, because I don't think Cindy would be taking up for her. But remember that scene at the jail whereCiny leaned over on George like, "I've got him and you don't" to Casey? I agree George doesn't seem the type, but it makes you wonder.

[Justice Denied?]

I couldn't have said it better, Dan! They intentionally turned the memorial for their murdered granddaughter into a CMA CIRCUS!! I, too, thought George needs to grow a pair! WTF asking everyone to pray for the Liar. He should have been asking for everyone to pray for his innocent granddaughter. What a bunch of BS!

(PS: If it seems that my anger level has risen, I just lost my job this week due to cutbacks and we had NO warning!! Yes, I am furious but I know it is the sign of the times:()

I am so sorry to hear of your job loss. I will pray that you get an even better one and soon. God bless you.

[DrewBerry]

Thanks JD. I appreciate your kindness.

[wind149]

Loretta, There is a way to run 10-27L (license) or 10-28 (plate) without having to log it in NCIC. When the deputy would call in a plate number, he would give a reason why he either stopping the car or possibly running it to see if it was valid and if everything came back OK and he was not issuing a ticket or written warning the query I made through Motor Vehicle would not be logged onto the state audit file and I would just log in the in-house that 143 had a MV check or a stop with no action taken so it is possible that is what might have happened. Now of course she could have gotten access to the application, I don't have a clue how, but with this skank who knows??

As for George, after that performance at the memorial, where he begged people not to judge her, please write to her and just feel the love, I hurled and right then I started going from feeling compassion because I think he had been left out of the loop, to disliking him as much as I do C&C. And for a man who worked in LE, he has no balls whatsoever, Cindy leads him around by the nose and that selfish murdering dirtbag of a daughter has him by what is left and no amount of therapy, probably not even watching her being strapped to a gurney with a hep-lock in her arm, would ever convince this stupid man that his supposed beloved granddaughter was murdered by that skank. Both of them will never accept it because they are so convinced by her that she is innocent, they will go to their graves in deep denial. And they all ruined the life of an innocent mother who lives in a homeless shelter and that is not right. I wish there was a way we all could help her, I would kick in a few bucks, no one should be homeless in this country except for maybe these aswipes,I hope they end up broke and unable to find work, and they end up in a shelter, see how they like it. I can't wait for the trial to start, these morons will have to testify under oath and it will be interesting to see how Bozo spins the Zanny Nanny when it turns out not one soul was ever found after it was revealed that the woman who bears that name, had never met them, never mind babysit. And yeah, Caylee was two when she died, I picked up on the oh it was over a year, and yet, no one in this trash family or her friends ever met the woman??? I hope he gets disbarred too. Another one who digs the camera, his Armani suits and $100 haircuts, who does he think he is? He is doing this because every lawyer dreams of the BIG ONE that puts them on the map and their name in lights, like Cockroach did and I tell you F. Lee Bailey, he ain't.

[Gatordog]

From what I've read, George had an affair and of course, he has admitted to losing the money in the email scam. What I find interesting, is that when he and Cindy were separated, he is the one who filed for divorce. That took some balls. It tells me that at that time, he was ready to try and make something of his life by getting away from the two shrews at home. Bet it was Caylee that brought him back. He probably couldn't bear for her to be in that toxic environment alone.

From what I've read in the past, he came back for financial reasons. They couldn't afford a divorce. George was suing Cindy for half of the house and for alimony. She didn't want to give it up, so she took him back. He wasn't working so she was going to have to pay him monthly.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-asec-casey-anthony-evidence-022609,0,1156694.story

Gator

Thanks for posting this article. I was suprised in a way. I thought it was mostly an open and shut case and it still is in my mind.

[Justice Denied?]

Didn't Mr. Morgan tell a news type that the car was actually registered in Zenaida's daughter's name, or in both their names?

George hasn't been too distraught to be in the media talking about the "exclusive club" he's in while in Satsuma.

It's a crying shame that Caylee continues to be re-victimized by her grandparents. The memorial was nothing short of shabby.

If it was stated that Zani's car was in her daughter's name, I missed it. That would definitely add a new slant to things. HMM.....

[Mojo]

Andrea murdered them. Not the doctor or Mr. Yates. imo

I assume you do not live in Houston. Well I do. Yes, Andrea did murder them. Her husband IMO was just as culpable. He left her there alone with those kids knowing her mental state. He kept her barefoot and pregant for years, again knowing her mental state. Everyone in Houston was ready for him to be next in line for the chair right after her. And going back to facts, she was convicted the first time. The verdict was thrown out because of her lawyer bringing in an episode of Law & Order which did not exist. She was then retried and found not guilty by reason of insanity.

[NMurphy02]

Right Shady! They don't live on this planet. They live in la la caseyland. She destroyed a beautiful life and they were part of that. I tried everything my compassionate heart could imagine but the truth is stranger than fiction. Those people are past the shock factor. They need to fess up and deal now.

They are obsessed with cameras and everyone in their right mind knows it. This business with Zanny the nanny is about someone who doesn't acquiesce to Ms Casey. Just because they always did, doesn't mean the rest of society will. They need to come forward and remove the slander so Zenaida can move on with her life. She didn't do anything to hurt them. She wants what liar took away from her; Her damn name.

This stuff definitely speaks volumes about them. I was about to say that the only one in the family that is normal is Lee, but I just remembered his CMA routine. I guess he's a nutcase too.

I posted earlier about Lacey Peterson's family. What tremendous class they showed during the horrible nightmare they suffered. The Anthony's are not the only people who have suffered greatly. They have no excuses for this crap they act out.

I vividly remember the day Lacy's mother Sharon R said she wanted the baby to be in the same coffin with Lacey because she wanted her to be buried with her arms around baby Conner. The coroner told her that wouldn't be possible because, Lacey had no arms.

She still stood tall and never attacked the man who killed her daughter. That's a real lady right there.

God bless those strong people. :rose:

Sharon Rocha is an awesome woman and you're right, that whole family showed a lot of class. Scott Peterson's family may not be my favorites, but even they were and are not as obnoxious as the Anthony family.

[Lodi]

That's a really good summary, thanks!

Besides the death band hair sample and the decomposition air samples, is there anything else that y'all can think of that the defense is calling junk science?

I believe the defense is referring to the similar duct tape, trash bags, clothes bag, blanket, and heart sticker as junk science. Using these as evidence in place of dna, fingerprints, ect., might be considered unscientific.

[DrewBerry]

Thanks for the kind words, Joanne.

Drew

[lorettalockhorn]

From what I've read in the past, he came back for financial reasons. They couldn't afford a divorce. George was suing Cindy for half of the house and for alimony. She didn't want to give it up, so she took him back. He wasn't working so she was going to have to pay him monthly.

Gator

Yeah, I've read that he would be eligible for alimony and of course half the value of the house, but I don't see how coming back to Cindy benefitted him financially any more than going through with the divorce would have.

But if he had gone through with the divorce, Casey might never have let him see Caylee again. He was probably damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

[shadydaisy]

The weirdest part of this case is that Casey could've just gave Caylee to her parents and walked away....but I suspect she wanted her parents to herself. imo.

Since we know that Casey won't get death and we assume that she can be convicted of murder one.....is there any prisons in Florida that are as harsh as a man's or is it like the Martha Stewart type for women where they hang in dorm rooms and stuff?

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/annual/0607/facil.html This is what Florida has for women inmates.

Martha's prison was in the minority. Female prisons are tough places to be and to work.

[wind149]

Florida's women's prisons especially the death house is far from Camp Cupcake, these are max prisons, I saw a show on WE about one woman who is on death row, and just like the men, they are locked down 23/7/ A shower every other day, no visits unless you are close to your execution date, 13 inch B&W TV's are the only ones permitted and Gee, I guess all the prisons who do not have cable on DR, come June, those inmates are SOL, and they should be. NO TV or radio, mail, visits, phone, nothing, the four walls is all they need. I am sure as I ever have been that CA will never be set free, now I know she thinks she has the next "dream team" but the DA has way more than enough to convict her of first degree murder and he is the one to decide whether to go for the DP and I hope to God he does, this skank killed that child in cold blood because she resented her and she was a buzz kill, she liked grabbing women's crotches on dance floors more than she wanted to be a mommy.

[One2Snoop]

Hearing scheduled in
Anthony case

Last Edited: Thursday, 26 Feb 2009, 5:44 PM EST
Created On: Thursday, 26 Feb 2009, 5:42 PM EST

* By Greg Engle, FOX 35 NEWS

- A hearing in the Casey Anthony case will be held Monday afternoon to hear a motion by the defense that would prevent the public release of thousands of photos of Anthony.

The defense said Wednesday they were given two discs containing hundreds if not thousands of photos of Anthony by the state attorney’s office.

Judge Stan Strickland will hear arguments from defense attorney Jose Baez that the photos are irrelevant to the murder case against his client and that the release of the photos to the media would be embarrassing and could constitute harassment.

Casey Anthony’s 2 year old daughter Caylee was reported missing last June, nearly a month after she was last seen. Her remains were found in December.

In the motion Baez claims that releasing the photos, some of which were taken long before her daughter went missing, would serve to only sensationalize the case and paint the Anthony in a negative light.

Baez also attached a copy of a Fox News story about a Casey Anthony doll being sold on Ebay. The doll is wearing a flag draped dress similar to a photo of Anthony that was obtained by the media. Baez said this is proof of what could happen if other photos are released.

The hearing is scheduled for 4:15 Monday afternoon and Casey Anthony is expected to attend.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/022509Anthony_Hearing_Scheduled

[One2Snoop]

A little to late isn't it?


Casey Anthony's legal team wants to stop the release of embarrassing pictures
Casey Anthony's legal team doesn't want some pictures from Photobucket.com released to media.

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:24 PM EST, February 26, 2009

Casey Anthony's defense lawyer asked a judge Thursday to block release of personal photos he says could embarrass the 22-year-old murder suspect.

Attorney Jose Baez filed the request to keep the pictures from being released with other evidence to reporters. Calling the images irrelevant to the case, he proposed that prosecutors release only those photos they intend to use at trial and keep the remainder under wraps.

Casey Anthony is charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie, whose remains were found near her family's home in December.

The request comes after the defense team received two computer discs from the state that contained hundreds of pictures from Anthony's account on Photobucket.com, an online photo-sharing Web site.

Under Florida's public record laws, the media is entitled to the information unless a judge intervenes. Baez did not describe the photos, but images that could be viewed on Photobucket.com last fall included dozens of pictures of Anthony partying and drinking with her friends.

"The images on the Photobucket Website were created over a year before her daughter Caylee Anthony went missing in June 2008," Baez's spokeswoman, Marti Mackenzie, said in an e-mail.

"These images are irrelevant to her case. If they were to be disseminated, they will only sensationalize the life of a young woman and may be used to attempt to paint her in a negative light."

Orange Circuit Judge Stan Strickland scheduled a hearing Monday to discuss the issue. Baez sent the judge an example of what he said can happen if such pictures are distributed to the public: an online story about a Barbie-type "Casey Anthony" doll offered on eBay.

The doll was dressed in an American flag, similar to a widely distributed photo showing Casey Anthony wearing a flag at a party.

Baez wrote that the example was "proof that the release of photographs which are unrelated to this case, are forming a biased opinion of the defendant, and her persona, as evidenced by the creation of said doll."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-pictures-022609,0,4238136.story

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys Have 20 Days To Prove Emotional Distress

Thursday, February 26, 2009 – updated: 9:06 am EST February 26, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Cindy and George Anthony were supposed to give depositions Thursday morning, but a judge is giving them more time. The Anthonys have 20 days to turn over medical records to prove they're emotionally unable to answer questions in the suit.

The civil case against Casey Anthony was fought in court Wednesday afternoon. Casey's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, tried to get out of answering questions under oath in a defamation lawsuit filed against their daughter Casey and they were successful, at least for a now.

The day before the Anthonys were supposed to be questioned about their public comments naming Zenaida Gonzalez as the woman who took Caylee, the Anthonys' attorney told the judge it wouldn't be fair to force them to face depositions with cameras rolling.

VIDEO REPORT: Judge Puts Off Questioning

George Anthony testified against his daughter Casey on October 14 of last year before a grand jury for first-degree murder. He and Cindy testified at Casey's bond hearing in July when they wanted to get her out of jail, only days after George said he believed that Caylee's body had been in Casey's car trunk

But Wednesday, their attorney went to court telling a judge that they are not emotionally able to handle testifying in the defamation lawsuit against their daughter Casey.

"They believed that they had a murder case, but they didn't have a body. Now they do and you can see what it's done to this family," attorney Brad Conway said Wednesday.

The Anthonys' attorney said both are under a doctor's care as they grieve for their granddaughter Caylee, who disappeared eight months ago and whose remains were found more than two months ago, but he did not bring any evidence to court Wednesday to show that would legally prevent them from testifying.

"To spend three hours and answer questions for my client, who kind of gets lost in all of this and her rights, is probably the least painful thing they're gonna have to do in the next month," attorney Keith Mitnik said.

Mitnik, Zenaida Gonzalez's attorney, says she has a right to clear her name, she was sucked into the case through no actions of her own and the Anthonys have actually perpetuated the accusations that have ruined her reputation, such as a statement Cindy made in July about Casey forgiving Zenaida for taking off with Caylee.

"She forgives her and wants her to bring Caylee back to us safely," Cindy said in July.

"It is frustrating. She needs to move forward. We're gonna get 'em under oath. I wish tomorrow, but it's coming," Mitnik said.

It could boil down to whether the defense wants to use Zenaida Gonzalez as an option for creating "reasonable doubt" in the case, which is exactly what Zenaida is worried about.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18800480/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Media Cameras Welcome At Lee Anthony Deposition
Gonzalez Looks Into Legally Changing Her Name

POSTED: 3:17 pm EST February 26, 2009
UPDATED: 6:23 pm EST February 26, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A lawyer for Casey Anthony's brother Lee said his client will give sworn testimony Friday morning in connection with the defamation suit brought by Zenaida Gonzalez.

Gonzalez has the same name as the person Casey Anthony named as her daughter Caylee's nanny. Casey Anthony said Caylee's nanny kidnapped the toddler last summer.
Casey Anthony is currently being held on murder charges at the Orange County Jail.

Gonzalez said she is looking to have her name legally changed.

Television cameras will be invited into the downtown courtroom Friday, according to attorney John Morgan.

Morgan said Gonzalez's name was taken in a public forum, so it should not be cleared behind closed doors.

Lee Anthony's attorney said Anthony wants to get the deposition over with. He said he knows nothing about Gonzalez.

Gonzalez's lawyer said his client may claim not to know much, but they still have plenty of questions to ask.

The deposition is slated for 9 a.m.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18803648/detail.html

[Gatordog]

The weirdest part of this case is that Casey could've just gave Caylee to her parents and walked away....but I suspect she wanted her parents to herself. imo.

Since we know that Casey won't get death and we assume that she can be convicted of murder one.....is there any prisons in Florida that are as harsh as a man's or is it like the Martha Stewart type for women where they hang in dorm rooms and stuff?

Eileen Wournos was on death row in Starke just like a man would serve his time until death. She admitted her crimes and said she deserved death. How many men do that?

Gator

[Gatordog]

Yeah, I've read that he would be eligible for alimony and of course half the value of the house, but I don't see how coming back to Cindy benefitted him financially any more than going through with the divorce would have.

But if he had gone through with the divorce, Casey might never have let him see Caylee again. He was probably damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

I guess the house really had no equity since it was refinanced so often. If they had to sell it, they would both be left with nothing except more debt.

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[Gatordog]

Well said Dan-and good gawd Ant clones-scary thought. There is still a tiny thought tucked way back in my mind from the get-go. Sara and I kicked it around a bit. When she talked to Amy about moving in as C was taking a condo (or G&C- kraft disease lol) I always wondered if the parents were also on the hit list. I remember at the time another poster pointing out that Lee would be entitled to half. Having said that i think the Liar would be ok with that. Half is better than ziltch. Certainly we will never be privy but since when has the Liar done anything that makes sense. It just caught my attention with the different type of searches she did for methods of kill. And as i stated her invitation to Amy to move in. MOO

Beem, she probably thought she could sweet talk the Moaner into giving her everything. I believe he would do it too.

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[Gatordog]

Hey did your parents know my parents? Mine had a jewelry business and I worked since I was 11 years old. When my sibs and I got older we were given that same choice.

This sense of entitlement the liar's generation has goes up my craw a mile and a half. *MOST* of them underqualified to work at Dunkin. Can't get a cup of coffee order right to save my life! But they're smart enough to get the most by doing the least. Our future leaders... sigh ~~~~

Ditto on that Cawfee Nawney. ;)

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[lorettalockhorn]

I guess the house really had no equity since it was refinanced so often. If they had to sell it, they would both be left with nothing except more debt.

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I hadn't even thought about second or third mortages, and George isn't listed on the mortgage according to Orange County records. I just assumed that FL is a state where if Cindy stayed in the house, she would have to pay George half the value. (I can't remember what that's called.) I guess selling the place would be one way to fix his little red wagon!

[Gatordog]

Guess I' here all by myself. Lately were all on at different times. I miss you guys. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

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[Gatordog]

Love it! :beer:

Thanks Nawny. I was getting lonely here. I see that Loretta snuck in for a minute. Maybe she's on another thread.

Did you see JVM tonight or NG? I wonder if there really is evidence or a body in that dumpster. I was surprised to see the investigators go into that garbage dumpster in their street clothes and not coveralls. If not for evidence, but to protect their own clothing.

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[lorettalockhorn]

Guess I' here all by myself. Lately were all on at different times. I miss you guys. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

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We miss you too! :tongue: And MU8, where is MU8?