Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Gatordog]

GOOD point! Maybe that is why the "source" was saying yesterday they were still working on the tape? But they say there's no latent prints...hmmmm...

Any one count pages to see how much is missing, yet?

Last night Bob Kealing of WESH said that LE still has 22 disks of evidence and discovery to turn over to the defense. So that hasn't even been dumped yet either. He said that would be coming within a few weeks.

Gator

[shadydaisy]

Could someone post the link to all the documents released? I only see pages 1-90 that Loretta posted. (thanks, Loretta!)

Try this http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4351078/Casey-Anthony-Discovery-Documents-Feb-18-2009

[Gatordog]

Switching gears - Haleigh disappearance - girlfriend under investigation

http://www.wftv.com/news/18738704/detail.html

Gator

[sharlock]

RE: Casey's diary:

...10:58 a.m.: A photo of Casey Anthony’s diary, dated June 21, said, "I hope I made the right decision. I just hope the end justifies the means…This is the happiest I have been in a very long time." The date puts it a few days after Caylee was last seen alive, assuming it was written during 2008.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18738287/detail.html
Other posters on Topix are saying that the diary has a the year 03 written on it in the top cnr. Even if it does I firmly believe this was her afterthought in case anyone read it. She isn't that dumb I guess. Can they prove through ink approx how old it is?

[javahog]

Last night Bob Kealing of WESH said that LE still has 22 disks of evidence and discovery to turn over to the defense. So that hasn't even been dumped yet either. He said that would be coming within a few weeks.

Gator

That must be where the toxicology is...

[Native Alien]

docstore has the page count on there as 215 and there are some 53 photos but that is nowhere near 1100 pages.

There has to be more somewhere.

[Native Alien]

Other posters on Topix are saying that the diary has a the year 03 written on it in the top cnr. Even if it does I firmly believe this was her afterthought in case anyone read it. She isn't that dumb I guess. Can they prove through ink approx how old it is?

If you watch the behind the scenes video on WESH they say that Casey told the detectives that she had been writing in her diary since Caylee went missing. Also if you look at the picture, it looks as if some pages have been ripped out.

They can age the ink, especially in that it is colored ink.

[lorettalockhorn]

Docstoc link (not sure if this is the one previously posted):

http://www.docstoc.com/documents/legal/court-and-cases/

[lorettalockhorn]

Might be that someone stole it and flung it out the window of a car driving by? Purses turn up like that all the time around here...

Java, I read that first batch pretty fast, but I think the wallet was in one of the bags.

[sharlock]

A bag of play sand was found at the crime scene too. She did try to put Caylee in the sandpit and then removed the sand with her tying to remove the smell or trace of dead body from the sand pit.

[javahog]

Java, I read that first batch pretty fast, but I think the wallet was in one of the bags.

busy little beaver, huh?

[javahog]

A bag of play sand was found at the crime scene too. She did try to put Caylee in the sandpit and then removed the sand with her tying to remove the smell or trace of dead body from the sand pit.

Was it still bagged in the original bag or was it like scooped into another bag?

Jeez, if she stored that body in the sandbox, and a grandparent had found her...there are no words for the coldness of that gamble.

[Native Alien]

This is a better link I think for viewing everything including all the documents.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021809_anthony_case_discovery_released

[javahog]

This is a better link I think for viewing everything including all the documents.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/021809_anthony_case_discovery_released

Good link! thanks

[javahog]

Question for all:

Did they actually match the duct tape sticker to a backing in the house?

If so, are they saying it is the one that was photographed sitting on the envelope?

[Gatordog]

Bob Kealing discussing the documents and describing pictures.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18742269/index.html

Gator

[Gatordog]

I'm surprised Jose isn't in ICU.

Maybe she's demon possessed. How come there's never a herd of pigs around when you need 'em?

What more is there to say about ol' Jose - http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen137.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char039.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Drugs, drugs, get some drugs. I sense a new panic attack coming on.

And Ol' Jose must have bleeding ulcers by now. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[javahog]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char039.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Drugs, drugs, get some drugs. I sense a new panic attack coming on.

And Ol' Jose must have bleeding ulcers by now. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

His reaction tells me that the diary entry might not be from 2003...

[javahog]

A pregnancy test was found at the body dump!!!

Remember how Trenton Ducketts baby things were found thrown out? I wonder if this is Casey's pregnancy test from Caylee. I hope they tested it for dna...

[javahog]

Is everyone off reading? seems quiet in here for doc dumping...

[lorettalockhorn]

Remember how Trenton Ducketts baby things were found thrown out? I wonder if this is Casey's pregnancy test from Caylee. I hope they tested it for dna...

I don't think urine can be tested for DNA. Can it?

[lorettalockhorn]

Must be Java. I am sitting patiently as i got totally frustrated trying to read. Puter is being naughty. Freezing up or not openening links at all. :shrug:

Docstoc always freezes me out, but cfnews has their links up now:

Part 1: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3374B%20TO%203463B%20REDO.pdf

Part 2: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3464-3513redacted.pdf

Part 3: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3514-3524redacted.pdf

Part 4: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3525-3535redacted.pdf

Part 5: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3536-3590redacted.pdf

Part 6: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3591-3640.pdf

Part 7: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3641-3669redacted.pdf

Part 8: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3670-3700redacted.pdf

Part 9: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3701-3722propredacted.pdf

Part 10: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3723-3742propertyforms-redacted.pdf

Part 11: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/3743-3801redacted.pdf

[javahog]

I don't think urine can be tested for DNA. Can it?

In theory, yes, as epithelial cells are shed from the bladder and urethra. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-11/974826680.Ge.r.html

Question is, has it been done and used in court?

[lorettalockhorn]

In theory, yes, as epithelial cells are shed from the bladder and urethra. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-11/974826680.Ge.r.html

Question is, has it been done and used in court?

hehehe I couldn't help but laugh a little at the scientist saying cells are "fluffed" off rather than sloughed off.

I read or heard somewhere that urine is rarely tested for DNA. (Or dreamed it.)

[javahog]

So...just a thought on LP...

So, there are no fingerprints on the tape? And Lee ain't "daddy"?

He might want to check his "sources" for which read his http://i33.tinypic.com/2hmem3r.jpg IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

So...just a thought on LP...

So, there are no fingerprints on the tape? And Lee ain't "daddy"?

He might want to check his "sources" for which read his http://i33.tinypic.com/2hmem3r.jpg IMO.

LMAO As much as I can't stand Mr. French Cuffs, he should sue LP for slander and libel.

[javahog]

Must be Java. I am sitting patiently as i got totally frustrated trying to read. Puter is being naughty. Freezing up or not openening links at all. :shrug:

try clearing your cookies. I was having that problem...

[lorettalockhorn]

I have cookies? lol How do i do that? PC illiterate here ;)

If you're using Mozilla Firefox for your browser, go to Tools, then Clear Private Data, and check the cookies box, you can clear your cache too.

If you're using IE, go to Tools, Internet Options, then click cookies. You can delete files too.

[javahog]

I have cookies? lol How do i do that? PC illiterate here ;)

Do like Loretta says, Beemer! Toss those cookies, lol!

[javahog]

Sooo...all the really bad and incriminating stuff came from the Anthony's house, right? Duct tape (I've never even heard of the brand, btw), Pooh blanket, sticker (?), trash bags...etc?

And we don't have fiber analysis yet (have I just not found it?)

She's toast.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks gals-cookies tossed. Ahhhh it's all good. :D

I bet you're in bad company today. I'm sure that Baez and all the Ants have tossed their cookies today too! :hat:

[javahog]

Here's the cookie they tossed (near the end): http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/18/new_documents_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

“The State’s forensic report on duct tape, plastic bags and other items is a one-sided law enforcement-generated report and is biased and speculative. It uses ‘junk science,’ the kind of flawed comparative analysis that the two-year study by National Academy of Sciences released today.”

This is the best they could do? And what's with the last sentence, did Todd Black write it or something? If you go by the grammar, it says that a study by the NAS released flawed comparative analysis today...okay, I'm grammar anal.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's the cookie they tossed (near the end): http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/18/new_documents_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

“The State’s forensic report on duct tape, plastic bags and other items is a one-sided law enforcement-generated report and is biased and speculative. It uses ‘junk science,’ the kind of flawed comparative analysis that the two-year study by National Academy of Sciences released today.”

This is the best they could do? And what's with the last sentence, did Todd Black write it or something? If you go by the grammar, it says that a study by the NAS released flawed comparative analysis today...okay, I'm grammar anal.

Well, it mentions junk science. Maybe Cindy wrote it.

Not good for the scathing comments of the defense to cite a study by the NAS that contains flawed comparative analysis. LMFAO

[Native Alien]

For me it isn't so much what is there as what isn't there.

There is still alot of stuff, Report to follow. or still being completed, or something like that.

No toxicology reports, what isn't on the duct tape, the important stuff.

[javahog]

Well, it mentions junk science. Maybe Cindy wrote it.

Not good for the scathing comments of the defense to cite a study by the NAS that contains flawed comparative analysis. LMFAO

I wonder what kind of flawed analysis is going to prove that Casey didn't report her child missing until forced to, or what junk science was used to show that the Pooh blankie was missing? I wonder what witchdoctory will be cited when the prosecutor takes that heart sticker and fits it neatly into the blank left from its removal? And points out its match on Casey's friend's (was it amy?) phone...

Hell, maybe the body wasn't even Caylee by JB's standard. Science is only science, after all!

[wind149]

Baez is never going to be able to explain a lot of what came out today and if diary entries mention Caylee then we know that it was written in 2008 and not 2003! Also, the duct tape matches duct tape found at the house, and stickers were also found at the house that match the sticker found with the body and the laundry bag to me looks like the type you would find a commercial laundry or an institution, maybe a hospital? Where does Cindy work? The DA has more than enough evidence to put this evil ***** away for LWPOP or he easily can go for the DP.

[javahog]

Baez is never going to be able to explain a lot of what came out today and if diary entries mention Caylee then we know that it was written in 2008 and not 2003! Also, the duct tape matches duct tape found at the house, and stickers were also found at the house that match the sticker found with the body and the laundry bag to me looks like the type you would find a commercial laundry or an institution, maybe a hospital? Where does Cindy work? The DA has more than enough evidence to put this evil ***** away for LWPOP or he easily can go for the DP.

Is the diary entry a solo? I mean are there no other entries of any kind? Or is there more?

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder what kind of flawed analysis is going to prove that Casey didn't report her child missing until forced to, or what junk science was used to show that the Pooh blankie was missing? I wonder what witchdoctory will be cited when the prosecutor takes that heart sticker and fits it neatly into the blank left from its removal? And points out its match on Casey's friend's (was it amy?) phone...

Hell, maybe the body wasn't even Caylee by JB's standard. Science is only science, after all!

Amen, and amen.

Lemme step in and add that Casey's panic attack when Caylee's remains were found but BEFORE she was identified resulted in a panic attack that required medical intervention. Damned telling in my book.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is the diary entry a solo? I mean are there no other entries of any kind? Or is there more?

There are other pages, and pages have been torn out (I think I read that somewhere).

[lorettalockhorn]

Baez is never going to be able to explain a lot of what came out today and if diary entries mention Caylee then we know that it was written in 2008 and not 2003! Also, the duct tape matches duct tape found at the house, and stickers were also found at the house that match the sticker found with the body and the laundry bag to me looks like the type you would find a commercial laundry or an institution, maybe a hospital? Where does Cindy work? The DA has more than enough evidence to put this evil ***** away for LWPOP or he easily can go for the DP.

I haven't read anything that indicates that Caylee has been mentioned. (Big surprise considering what a narcissist Casey is.)

[javahog]

Excellent point. Bozo sure has his work cut out for him. I guess if he wants to stay away from the Nanny saga his only recourse is to attack the evidence. Or try to pin it on one of Liar's friends. :hat:

Maybe he should try for Amy and Lee framing her...

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent point. Bozo sure has his work cut out for him. I guess if he wants to stay away from the Nanny saga his only recourse is to attack the evidence. Or try to pin it on one of Liar's friends. :hat:

The defense can attack the forensic evidence until it harelips every cow in Texas, and I'm sure LKB is as qualified as anyone to do so, but nothing is going to change the fact that the circumstantial evidence points to Casey and no one else.

[javahog]

Question for all:

Did they actually match the duct tape sticker to a backing in the house?

If so, are they saying it is the one that was photographed sitting on the envelope?

BUMP

With an additional question: has anyone found a page that says the sticker was sent to FBI for latent print testing?

[javahog]

You are right about that one. I am so luvin it. Bozo is going too look like a clown college grad. MOO (no pun intended with my moo) lol

From what I've heard about his alma mater...no, I won't go there!

[lorettalockhorn]

BUMP

With an additional question: has anyone found a page that says the sticker was sent to FBI for latent print testing?

Just started reading again and am only on Part 2. I see they gathered ciggy butts and a piece of gum. Looks like those butts might be pretty deteriorated, but I wonder if that gum could be compared to Casey's dental records?

BTW I was thinking that one of my favorite episodes of L&O:CI is the one where they guy who oversees property for private citizens is ripping off their estates to get the money to build his private collection of fabulous cars. He implicated his father by using his foley bag. The old guy was diabetic and had cystitis or a bladder infection and the urine was tested for DNA. Great, great episode!

[wind149]

A talking head on Jane said that CSI's can actually check the paper in the diary and try to trace it back to the manufacturer and also the ink. According to him, ink can be checked for freshness and the IRS requires this because they don't want people doctoring documents. Lab techs can find out how old the ink is and whether it was written in 2003 or 2008 but if you believe it was written in 2008, this is a bombshell that Baez won't be able to explain away much as I know he will try and already says that it is junk science. But the DA before the body was found has ample evidence pointing to her and only her. Notice the nanny story is not his spin of the week.

And what is really damming to me is how she reacted when told the body was found and where and she has an anxiety attack because she knew the jig was up. Other bones had been found, remember the deer bones that were found? She did not bat an eyelash because she knew it was not going to be Caylee's bones. SHE KNEW AT THAT MOMENT THAT SHE WAS SCREWED, when the body had indeed been found and she knew it would be Caylee because she put her there and God do I hate this woman!!! Jealousy seems to be the motive to me, she resented Cindy for giving the kid more attention than her, and then resented the fact that Cindy did pay a lot of attention to the child. I know now that from day one, CA was a problem to her parents and all they did was cover for her and enable her and they still are. Even Scott Peterson's sister finally admitted he was a murderer when she at one time was a staunch supporter of him, but I doubt these morons will finally see the light, they don't want to, but wait till the trial, it will be the trial of the century, and this skank goes to prison for the rest of her miserable life and I hope every day it is miserable.

[javahog]

Someone with better resolution than me...look at photo #11, on the dresser top, a photo frame. Do you see heart shaped stickers on it, the one on top looks like the one from the dump site?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-photos-discovery-casey-anthony-021809,0,6752764.photogallery

[One2Snoop]

Someone with better resolution than me...look at photo #11, on the dresser top, a photo frame. Do you see heart shaped stickers on it, the one on top looks like the one from the dump site?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-photos-discovery-casey-anthony-021809,0,6752764.photogallery

I enlarged it and it looks like part of the picture frame.

http://i41.tinypic.com/t7h6x1.jpg

[DrewBerry]

A talking head on Jane said that CSI's can actually check the paper in the diary and try to trace it back to the manufacturer and also the ink. According to him, ink can be checked for freshness and the IRS requires this because they don't want people doctoring documents. Lab techs can find out how old the ink is and whether it was written in 2003 or 2008 but if you believe it was written in 2008, this is a bombshell that Baez won't be able to explain away much as I know he will try and already says that it is junk science. But the DA before the body was found has ample evidence pointing to her and only her. Notice the nanny story is not his spin of the week.

And what is really damming to me is how she reacted when told the body was found and where and she has an anxiety attack because she knew the jig was up. Other bones had been found, remember the deer bones that were found? She did not bat an eyelash because she knew it was not going to be Caylee's bones. SHE KNEW AT THAT MOMENT THAT SHE WAS SCREWED, when the body had indeed been found and she knew it would be Caylee because she put her there and God do I hate this woman!!! Jealousy seems to be the motive to me, she resented Cindy for giving the kid more attention than her, and then resented the fact that Cindy did pay a lot of attention to the child. I know now that from day one, CA was a problem to her parents and all they did was cover for her and enable her and they still are. Even Scott Peterson's sister finally admitted he was a murderer when she at one time was a staunch supporter of him, but I doubt these morons will finally see the light, they don't want to, but wait till the trial, it will be the trial of the century, and this skank goes to prison for the rest of her miserable life and I hope every day it is miserable.

I agree about her panic attack and requesting medication upon hearing of Caylee's body being discovered. She panicked because she's a pathological liar and was confident she could lie her way out of it. I still believe she thinks her "dream team" is going to save her.
Just got home from work and caught a few min. of NG. Mark Klaas said it best: "Everything released today can only point to one person in that toxic family" You notice there's no mention of Zanny the Nanny in the Liar's diary writing.
PS: If they keep replaying that damn video of Lee kissing his precious "CMA" I'm going to puke. :flamemad:

[SuzDuJour]

Someone with better resolution than me...look at photo #11, on the dresser top, a photo frame. Do you see heart shaped stickers on it, the one on top looks like the one from the dump site?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-photos-discovery-casey-anthony-021809,0,6752764.photogallery

You can see the same photo frame on the next photo shot #12 - it looks more like balloons and seems to be part of the frame. (Good eye, though!)

[One2Snoop]

Baez responds to
discovery

Last Edited: Wednesday, 18 Feb 2009, 5:06 PM EST
Created On: Wednesday, 18 Feb 2009, 5:05 PM EST

- Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez responded to the discover released by the state attorney’s office Wednesday.

Baez released the following statement:

Released February 18, 2009
Regarding discovery released by the State of Florida (State of Fl v. Casey Anthony) . . .
According to defense lawyers for Casey Anthony, the States forensic report on duct tape, plastic bags and other items is a one-sided law enforcement-generated report and is biased and speculative. It uses junk science, the kind of flawed comparative analysis that the two-year study by National Academy of Sciences released today.
This study--"Strengthening Forensic Science in the United States: A Path Forward by its Committee on Identifying the Needs of the Forensic Science Community, released today and the subject of a public briefing scheduled for 1:00 p.m. EST.
The New York Times, CBS 60 Minutes and the Washington Post have all recently weighed in on flawed forensics evidence (see below).
Defense co-counsel Linda Kenney Baden says:
Were looking closely at the NAS report. Comparative forensic analyses like those in this discovery are conducted by law enforcement agencies with no independent oversight. Our defense experts will make sure there is an objective analysis of this biased discovery. The Anthony case may be one to set a precedent in exposing the flaws in evidence that only law enforcement has tested.
See this link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/05forensics.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=solomon%20forencis%20evidence&st=cse

She also notes that:
Not only is this brand of tape the most widely sold in the United States, the State is relying on comparative analysis just like comparisons exposed as flawed in the study of bullet lead in 2004. These chemical studies have put hundreds of innocent people in jail.
Lead defense counsel Jose Baez says: It is just as important to focus on the fact that there are no fingerprints on the duct tape and there never was any red sticker of any shape or size found on the tape.
For More Information: Contact Marti Mackenzie (917) 345-5049
lawyerpr@nyc.rr.com

See the Washington Post and 60 Minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3512453.shtml

Evidence of Injustice: FBI's Bullet Lead Analysis Used Flawed Science to Convict Hundreds of Defendants, Sept. 14, 2008
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051601967.html

CBS 60 Minutes Report Update 9/11/08: Aside from eyewitness testimony, some of the most believable evidence presented in criminal cases in the United States comes from the FBI crime laboratory in Quantico, Va. Part of its job is to test and analyze everything from ballistics to DNA for state and local prosecutors around the country, introducing scientific credibility to often murky cases.But a six-month investigation by 60 Minutes and The Washington Post last November showed that there are hundreds of defendants imprisoned around the country who were convicted with the help of a now discredited forensic tool, and that the FBI never notified them, their lawyers, or the courts, that the their cases may have been affected by faulty testimony.
The National Academy of Sciences Report will be aired during a live audio webcast. Submit questions using an e-mail form at: http://www.national-academies.org

At the time of release, the report will be made available online at: http://www.nap.edu

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021809_baez_responds_to_discovery

[DrewBerry]

Wonder if Baez/Bozo and his team are going to attempt to cut a deal. With the mountain of evidence against her, I'm certain the Pros. will never agree to a deal and I pray they put the DP back on the table. They're sitting pretty, pretty good right now!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Watching NG and there is talk about Casey having read up on temper tantrums in the child development/parenting handbook, and I find it ironic that of what we've seen of Caylee is a charming cheerful caring empathetic child, but what we've seen of Casey is a lying selfish pig who is on the record (video-wise) as having quite the little temper herself.

[javahog]

I enlarged it and it looks like part of the picture frame.

http://i41.tinypic.com/t7h6x1.jpg

thanks!

[mu8shark]

A syringe was found, but I'm not seeing any test results yet. On 12/20 Cindy stated that she had people walk the area where Caylee's remains were found a month ago. Why did Cindy have someone walk this area if she thought Caylee was alive and why did she choose this particular area out of all the cell phone pings. I find that odd, anybody else?It is not like they had two areas to search and she happened to have them look at one of them. Tim Miller said there were over 100 areas to search.

[lighthousedazy]

Watching NG and there is talk about Casey having read up on temper tantrums in the child development/parenting handbook, and I find it ironic that of what we've seen of Caylee is a charming cheerful caring empathetic child, but what we've seen of Casey is a lying selfish pig who is on the record (video-wise) as having quite the little temper herself.This is just an opinion, but I have always noticed that children that age and younger sense the personality of the adult they are with and also things such as anger, nervousness, etc. and the child will react accordingly. My babies were good as gold but when they were around my sister's ex, they would cry and become agitated. ;)

[javahog]

Baez responds to
discovery

Last Edited: Wednesday, 18 Feb 2009, 5:06 PM EST
Created On: Wednesday, 18 Feb 2009, 5:05 PM EST

- Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez responded to the discover released by the state attorney’s office Wednesday.

Baez released the following statement:

Released February 18, 2009
Regarding discovery released by the State of Florida (State of Fl v. Casey Anthony) . . .
According to defense lawyers for Casey Anthony, the States forensic report on duct tape, plastic bags and other items is a one-sided law enforcement-generated report and is biased and speculative. It uses junk science, the kind of flawed comparative analysis that the two-year study by National Academy of Sciences released today.
This study--"Strengthening Forensic Science in the United States: A Path Forward by its Committee on Identifying the Needs of the Forensic Science Community, released today and the subject of a public briefing scheduled for 1:00 p.m. EST.
The New York Times, CBS 60 Minutes and the Washington Post have all recently weighed in on flawed forensics evidence (see below).
Defense co-counsel Linda Kenney Baden says:
Were looking closely at the NAS report. Comparative forensic analyses like those in this discovery are conducted by law enforcement agencies with no independent oversight. Our defense experts will make sure there is an objective analysis of this biased discovery. The Anthony case may be one to set a precedent in exposing the flaws in evidence that only law enforcement has tested.
See this link: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/05forensics.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=solomon%20forencis%20evidence&st=cse

She also notes that:
Not only is this brand of tape the most widely sold in the United States, the State is relying on comparative analysis just like comparisons exposed as flawed in the study of bullet lead in 2004. These chemical studies have put hundreds of innocent people in jail.
Lead defense counsel Jose Baez says: It is just as important to focus on the fact that there are no fingerprints on the duct tape and there never was any red sticker of any shape or size found on the tape.
For More Information: Contact Marti Mackenzie (917) 345-5049
lawyerpr@nyc.rr.com

See the Washington Post and 60 Minutes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/60minutes/main3512453.shtml

Evidence of Injustice: FBI's Bullet Lead Analysis Used Flawed Science to Convict Hundreds of Defendants, Sept. 14, 2008
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/16/AR2007051601967.html

CBS 60 Minutes Report Update 9/11/08: Aside from eyewitness testimony, some of the most believable evidence presented in criminal cases in the United States comes from the FBI crime laboratory in Quantico, Va. Part of its job is to test and analyze everything from ballistics to DNA for state and local prosecutors around the country, introducing scientific credibility to often murky cases.But a six-month investigation by 60 Minutes and The Washington Post last November showed that there are hundreds of defendants imprisoned around the country who were convicted with the help of a now discredited forensic tool, and that the FBI never notified them, their lawyers, or the courts, that the their cases may have been affected by faulty testimony.
The National Academy of Sciences Report will be aired during a live audio webcast. Submit questions using an e-mail form at: http://www.national-academies.org

At the time of release, the report will be made available online at: http://www.nap.edu

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/021809_baez_responds_to_discovery

Good thing she didn't shoot her :rolleyes:


no forensic tool concluded she didn't call 911. and as for jb...i don't recall LE ever claimed a red sticker of any kind or shape was found on the duct tape...has he read this stuff?

[javahog]

Watching NG and there is talk about Casey having read up on temper tantrums in the child development/parenting handbook, and I find it ironic that of what we've seen of Caylee is a charming cheerful caring empathetic child, but what we've seen of Casey is a lying selfish pig who is on the record (video-wise) as having quite the little temper herself.

Maybe Caylee dog-eared those pages

[lighthousedazy]

Why did Cindy have someone walk this area if she thought Caylee was alive and why did she choose this particular area out of all the cell phone pings. I find that odd, anybody else?It is not like they had two areas to search and she happened to have them look at one of them. Tim Miller said there were over 100 areas to search.Just my guess, but high water was still in the area, and it was probably D. Casey that she referred to. jmo
ETA: Mu8, I misread your post, but I really believe that Cindy knew Caylee was dead, but she was so deep in denial, or she at least pretended to be.

[mu8shark]

Nice that Casey is going to try and implicate Jesse Grund. One problem with that is she says he may have accessed the car after she left it in the parking lot. On her text messages while she is still driving the car she references and tries to explain the dead smell so the dead smell was there before she dumped the car. How is she going to explain that? How many have had dead smells in your car like at two week intervals from separate causes? I think if she tries to target Jesse she is going to be screwed.

[mu8shark]

Just my guess, but high water was still in the area, and it was probably D. Casey that she referred to. jmoIt probably was D Casey but that still leaves the question of why did she have him search and tape just that area? She seems to know something or suspect something about this one particular area.

[DrewBerry]

OMG! You're right Loretta. She has had that entire family kissin' her behind for years because of her temper tantrums. I just bet that Cindy and George were more patient and gave Caylee positive discipline when/if Caylee showed outbursts. . . Liar couldn't handle it and most likely threw her own tantrums and got no attention from mom and dad. She did not love that child. She resented the competition. That's why she writes in her diary about "not regretting her decision and feeling happier than she's been in a long time. I"ve made new friends and hope my happiness will grow."
Had to laugh outloud tonghit when NG quoted this part of the diary. NG stated" "Yeah, well you'll be making alot more new friends in prison!" Ha, ha!!

[javahog]

Nice that Casey is going to try and implicate Jesse Grund. One problem with that is she says he may have accessed the car after she left it in the parking lot. On her text messages while she is still driving the car she references and tries to explain the dead smell so the dead smell was there before she dumped the car. How is she going to explain that? How many have had dead smells in your car like at two week intervals from separate causes? I think if she tries to target Jesse she is going to be screwed.

have i mentioned my hubby calls my beetle The Composter?

she's screwed no matter who she targets, imo. To her, Prosecution!

[lorettalockhorn]

Why did Cindy have someone walk this area if she thought Caylee was alive and why did she choose this particular area out of all the cell phone pings. I find that odd, anybody else?It is not like they had two areas to search and she happened to have them look at one of them. Tim Miller said there were over 100 areas to search.

Yeah, wasn't it 11/21 that there was the possible Caylee sighting in a mall? So Cindy is wreaking havoc right and left with honest loving parents having to prove the existence of their children and their own parentage while Cindy has her private dickheads walk the area where Caylee is ultimately found. If you ask me, Cindy is every bit as duplicitous as Casey is.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe Caylee dog-eared those pages

I think they were bookmarked or highlighted somehow.

[lorettalockhorn]

Almost to the end of NG and she asks Susan Moss what she makes of the Ants and when SM starts to talk about how disturbed this family is, Nancy butts in with "don't care, don't care, don't care who's disturbed. I care about who killed Caylee and will it be proven in court".

Well, thanks Nancy for finally letting Susan point out how this crime is tied to the Ants house. Period.

[javahog]

I think they were bookmarked or highlighted somehow.

Oh, I didn't mean by accident, Loretta, lol! Somebody had to be trying to calm Casey down.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, I didn't mean by accident, Loretta, lol! Somebody had to be trying to calm Casey down.

Quit messin' with my head! I'm in uber-literal mode today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lighthousedazy]

It probably was D Casey but that still leaves the question of why did she have him search and tape just that area? She seems to know something or suspect something about this one particular area.
Good question. I edited that I think that she knew deep down that Cayley was dead, but what did make her think of this area in particular, unless she knew full well that caysee killed Caylee and remembered where caysee buried her pets. jmo :confused:

[mu8shark]

The defense can attack the forensic evidence until it harelips every cow in Texas, and I'm sure LKB is as qualified as anyone to do so, but nothing is going to change the fact that the circumstantial evidence points to Casey and no one else.I have been spouting this exactly to my cousins and also mentioned this earlier on on here, because let's say the jury decides that the forensics are a wash and they don't know who to believe. There is still the smell in the trunk that everybody noticed even Casey herself mentioned it. And why did she not call LE or report it for 31 days? And how to explain her partying her ass off. She did not tell her boyfriend or friends or parents. And how about that nanny story? If I am on a jury and I am looking at the forensic evidence and I am trying to decide who is right, I look at the rest of the evidence. Which version fits the rest of the evidence? Her behavior is going to kill her.I could not agree more.

[mu8shark]

Yeah, wasn't it 11/21 that there was the possible Caylee sighting in a mall? So Cindy is wreaking havoc right and left with honest loving parents having to prove the existence of their children and their own parentage while Cindy has her private dickheads walk the area where Caylee is ultimately found. If you ask me, Cindy is every bit as duplicitous as Casey is.I just kind of wonder if this is why she wanted immunity because if it was Dominic C she sent, I bet there are records on that day of who he talked to and that made Cindy nervous that they may read something into that.

[mu8shark]

Good question. I edited that I think that she knew deep down that Cayley was dead, but what did make her think of this area in particular, unless she knew full well that caysee killed Caylee and remembered where caysee buried her pets. jmo :confused:Saw your edit and it could be something that was just a suspicion or something more devious that she found out the truth somehow,.. I know that it far fetched but it is so hard for me to trust Cindy at all.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just kind of wonder if this is why she wanted immunity because if it was Dominic C she sent, I bet there are records on that day of who he talked to and that made Cindy nervous that they may read something into that.

Lord knows when we'll see Dominick Casey's phone records. I'd love to know if the psychic also contacted Cindy.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been spouting this exactly to my cousins and also mentioned this earlier on on here, because let's say the jury decides that the forensics are a wash and they don't know who to believe. There is still the smell in the trunk that everybody noticed even Casey herself mentioned it. And why did she not call LE or report it for 31 days? And how to explain her partying her ass off. She did not tell her boyfriend or friends or parents. And how about that nanny story? If I am on a jury and I am looking at the forensic evidence and I am trying to decide who is right, I look at the rest of the evidence. Which version fits the rest of the evidence? Her behavior is going to kill her.I could not agree more.

1st: Glad to see you back! 2nd: The defense (and that includes LKB) has got to be scrambling at this point. They've got to come up with something better than fake science, or pseudo science, or zombie science. They need a defense; THEN attack the forensics.

[mu8shark]

1st: Glad to see you back! 2nd: The defense (and that includes LKB) has got to be scrambling at this point. They've got to come up with something better than fake science, or pseudo science, or zombie science. They need a defense; THEN attack the forensics. Also think of this, the duct tape matches some found at the Anthony house,so I guess the defense will claim, coincidence other people have it, also the laundry bag, coincidence other people might have it, heart sticker exact size linked to Anthony house, well perhaps that is also a coincidence. Blanket the one that was missing, oh but she had two. That is another coincidence, As a juror would that not strike you as too many coincidences. Who else had a smelly car and dumped it? Who else's cell phone ping put her at the dump site on the 18th? Who else was really, really panicky about her father looking in the trunk on the 24th? And what a coincidence she borrowed a shovel? There are just too many coincidences to buy for a reasonable jury. And even if you get one lone nut juror, there will be 12 to acquit.

[lighthousedazy]

2003 was six years ago. She was 16 years old then. She wouldn't know what "end justify means" ---means... at that age. Considering she's not the brightest light on the xmas tree at 22. It can't be 2003. Can it? Nah..I agree Dani. I remember Joan Lunden showing a segment about the FBI on a show a few years ago and stating they could not even show all the stuff on their labs., but she did state that they had thousands of ink samples, etc. IMO, this is not junk science as Bozo idiot claims and if this page were written in 2003, it would not be in this doc. dump. jmo Gosh, the gall of a lawyer stating evidence is junk science. Why did he check himself in to the hospital. In his eyes maybe medicine is junk science. :flamemad:

[Justice Denied?]

I wonder what kind of flawed analysis is going to prove that Casey didn't report her child missing until forced to, or what junk science was used to show that the Pooh blankie was missing? I wonder what witchdoctory will be cited when the prosecutor takes that heart sticker and fits it neatly into the blank left from its removal? And points out its match on Casey's friend's (was it amy?) phone...

Hell, maybe the body wasn't even Caylee by JB's standard. Science is only science, after all!

I was just wondering why Cindy didn't let LE know that a Winnie the Pooh blanket was missing until after Caylee's body was found?

This may not be what you are thinking of, but Casey supposedly place a heart sticker on Stacy's (LP's assistant) laptop computer while she was staying there. (Just remember the source here).

[lorettalockhorn]

Also think of this, the duct tape matches some found at the Anthony house,so I guess the defense will claim, coincidence other people have it, also the laundry bag, coincidence other people might have it, heart sticker exact size linked to Anthony house, well perhaps that is also a coincidence. Blanket the one that was missing, oh but she had two. That is another coincidence, As a juror would that not strike you as too many coincidences. Who else had a smelly car and dumped it? Who else's cell phone ping put her at the dump site on the 18th? Who else was really, really panicky about her father looking in the trunk on the 24th? And what a coincidence she borrowed a shovel? There are just too many coincidences to buy for a reasonable jury. And even if you get one lone nut juror, there will be 12 to acquit.

I know very few people who actually believe in coincidences at all. Imagine a jury who believes in a string of them!

[lorettalockhorn]

Mu, you forgot that there is no coincidence in the fact that she forgot to tell anyone Caylee was missing, for 31 days, including her friends at Fusion and her bed fellow. Oh! And she forgot to use the stolen money or credit cards to by her little girl anything and that there were no Caylee clothes or toys in her stuff at the boyfriend's apartment and, of course no diapers.


Then of course there was that pesky shovel.

Dana that shovel will dig Casey's grave!

[lorettalockhorn]

Goodnight my brilliant friends... Nawny had along day with her weebles today. I'm going to crawl up those steep stairs of mine and hit the sack.

See you tomorrow. Day off!


Muuuwaaah!:seeya:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2mnln3r.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

Someone with better resolution than me...look at photo #11, on the dresser top, a photo frame. Do you see heart shaped stickers on it, the one on top looks like the one from the dump site?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-photos-discovery-casey-anthony-021809,0,6752764.photogallery

They look identical to me but my resolution is not the greatest either. Look at #76. Could that possibly be a little denim skirt like the one George reported Caylee wearing the last time he saw her?

[Justice Denied?]

Wonder if Baez/Bozo and his team are going to attempt to cut a deal. With the mountain of evidence against her, I'm certain the Pros. will never agree to a deal and I pray they put the DP back on the table. They're sitting pretty, pretty good right now!!

Drew,

First, let me say welcome and that I have been enjoying your posts.

One of the THs on JVM tonight said that the prosecution only had 45 days to decide whether to pursue the death penalty. They decided not to. Now that the time is up, they can't go back and change it. However, no one else is saying that, so am no sure.

[Amy]

Yeah, I bet she hyperventilated. . .overcome with fear the truth has been discovered and she will have to give up her pole dancing career. She was so sure she could lie her way out of this. Wonder if Cindy hyperventilated? Not likely.

Yep, she KNEW when the body was FOUND (as opposed to ID'd) @ that site, they had found Caylee. She never blinked an eye or missed a beat the other time bones were found during a search for Caylee.

[lighthousedazy]

They look identical to me but my resolution is not the greatest either. Look at #76. Could that possibly be a little denim skirt like the one George reported Caylee wearing the last time he saw her?That definately looks like denim to me. moo

[mu8shark]

Here is the thing on the FBI labs, do they make mistakes. I am sure they do. Will a jury buy that they made mistakes on every single piece of forensic evidence? No way

[mu8shark]

Now pardon me for not reading the doc dumps yet but when Cindy said she noticed the blanket was missing in December, is she going to try and say that it was there prior to December so as to indicate the body was put there much later than June? I don't quite get that.

[Amy]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18739816/detail.html

Jose & Marti need to stop it already about Todd Black--when's the last time anyone has heard from him? We got it already, Marti. YOU are the spokesperson. To keep bringing it up, trying to change the focus from the evidence--it isn't working, ya know?

[Justice Denied?]

I agree with you re Cindy. There had to be a short circuit there in her brain. There had to be magical thinking or at least shock. Shock puts humans in near madness.

She knew the night she found Casey because she yelled, "What have you done!" She stone knew. What she did with that knowing, is another matter.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have said since the very beginning that George and Cindy knew Caylee was dead from the time they got the ccar home and then found Casey was alright. George asked LE to let him know firast if it went in that direction so he could tell Cindy. Annd how about Cindy saying to George, "It was pizza, wasn't it?". They both knew. Never doubt it.

[Amy]

Monforte may be this guy:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/3/770/35b

Wonder how Casey got hold of his CC and if she used it.

Bumping up against someone in Fusion like setting? Going thru pockets when everyone has had a bit much to drink (or smoke?)

[lighthousedazy]

Bumping up against someone in Fusion like setting? Going thru pockets when everyone has had a bit much to drink (or smoke?)
Could be possible. I wouldn't put it past caysee to do this. Several years ago, where I lived, there was a guy in church going through ladies purses when the prayers were said and he was stealing money. Luckily he was caught. :D

[DrewBerry]

Drew,

First, let me say welcome and that I have been enjoying your posts.

One of the THs on JVM tonight said that the prosecution only had 45 days to decide whether to pursue the death penalty. They decided not to. Now that the time is up, they can't go back and change it. However, no one else is saying that, so am no sure.

Hi JD, thanks for the greeting. I believe that 45 day limit was PRIOR to finding Caylee's remains and the forensics seems to point to premeditation, i.e., duct tape on mouth. Sooooo, maybe someone else can shed some light on this. :confused:
I've been back on forth on between here and the Haleigh thread. Fascinating perspectives from a great group?
I'm on the west coast so I'm obviously getting info much later than most of you. Takes me awhile to catch up and by then most have turned in for the night.

[Amy]

Here's the cookie they tossed (near the end): http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/2/18/new_documents_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

“The State’s forensic report on duct tape, plastic bags and other items is a one-sided law enforcement-generated report and is biased and speculative. It uses ‘junk science,’ the kind of flawed comparative analysis that the two-year study by National Academy of Sciences released today.”

This is the best they could do? And what's with the last sentence, did Todd Black write it or something? If you go by the grammar, it says that a study by the NAS released flawed comparative analysis today...okay, I'm grammar anal.

Yep, Jose, that makes a LOT of sense. The State of FL, the OSCO, in one of the highest profile cases, are gonna use "junk science." Like, they really want to have this case go into the cropper. They've had Casey Anthony in jail (or on house arrest which still costs $$$) for 7 months now, wasting financial resources for the heck of it. Yep, that sounds about right--NOT!!!!!

[Amy]

Why did Cindy have someone walk this area if she thought Caylee was alive and why did she choose this particular area out of all the cell phone pings. I find that odd, anybody else?It is not like they had two areas to search and she happened to have them look at one of them. Tim Miller said there were over 100 areas to search.

Probably never happened---just an effort to murk the waters by saying she had someone look. Or, SHE is the one talking on the phone to HER PI, Dominic Casey. Regardless, the skull had been there for quite a while. Her PI looked in the wrong place. She had to go by what Casey told her, or Lee told her, or she "guessed" from the "clues" Casey was giving her during the jail visits.

[DrewBerry]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have said since the very beginning that George and Cindy knew Caylee was dead from the time they got the ccar home and then found Casey was alright. George asked LE to let him know firast if it went in that direction so he could tell Cindy. Annd how about Cindy saying to George, "It was pizza, wasn't it?". They both knew. Never doubt it.

Sure they knew!! Especially, Cindy. At one time, I some sympathy for Cindy but over the course of the past several months, her actions clearly exhibit a serious disconnect from truth and reality. It's more than a strong case of denial; she's gone out of her way to lie and lie again. That is one highly mentally disturbed family. I get it that you still love your kids and that you'll stand by them as best you can but they cover up, lie and blame others. It's all about protecting their own image. They have cultivated their relationships based on secrets and shame and because it's too hard to face the truth about how F'd Up they all are. Sadly, poor little Caylee paid the ultimate price for their toxic behaviors.:flamemad:

[Amy]

Almost to the end of NG and she asks Susan Moss what she makes of the Ants and when SM starts to talk about how disturbed this family is, Nancy butts in with "don't care, don't care, don't care who's disturbed. I care about who killed Caylee and will it be proven in court".

Well, thanks Nancy for finally letting Susan point out how this crime is tied to the Ants house. Period.

If she doesn't care who's disturbed, she shouldn't have bothered to ASK Susan Moss what she thinks about the A's, for Pete's sake!!!!

[Amy]

I have been spouting this exactly to my cousins and also mentioned this earlier on on here, because let's say the jury decides that the forensics are a wash and they don't know who to believe. There is still the smell in the trunk that everybody noticed even Casey herself mentioned it. And why did she not call LE or report it for 31 days? And how to explain her partying her ass off. She did not tell her boyfriend or friends or parents. And how about that nanny story? If I am on a jury and I am looking at the forensic evidence and I am trying to decide who is right, I look at the rest of the evidence. Which version fits the rest of the evidence? Her behavior is going to kill her.I could not agree more.

And how to explain the LIES--evident quite clearly in the interviews. And by the investigation that found some of the people Casey referenced never existed or, if they did exist, they had no relationship to her @ all, or hadn't for quite some years.

[lorettalockhorn]

If she doesn't care who's disturbed, she shouldn't have bothered to ASK Susan Moss what she thinks about the A's, for Pete's sake!!!!

Nancy carries her victim advocacy to a ridiculous level.

[Amy]

I agree Dani. I remember Joan Lunden showing a segment about the FBI on a show a few years ago and stating they could not even show all the stuff on their labs., but she did state that they had thousands of ink samples, etc. IMO, this is not junk science as Bozo idiot claims and if this page were written in 2003, it would not be in this doc. dump. jmo Gosh, the gall of a lawyer stating evidence is junk science. Why did he check himself in to the hospital. In his eyes maybe medicine is junk science. :flamemad:

I remember they used ink aging/dating in outing the guy who was forging Mormon documents. And to prove that some guy was really one of the top Nazi leaders with Hitler. I know I have seen other cases relating to it, too.

[lorettalockhorn]

I remember they used ink aging/dating in outing the guy who was forging Mormon documents. And to prove that some guy was really one of the top Nazi leaders with Hitler. I know I have seen other cases relating to it, too.

Isn't that (in part) what hung Martha Stewart's arse out to dry?

ETA: Maybe it wasn't the ink, but the type of pen.

[mu8shark]

Probably never happened---just an effort to murk the waters by saying she had someone look. Or, SHE is the one talking on the phone to HER PI, Dominic Casey. Regardless, the skull had been there for quite a while. Her PI looked in the wrong place. She had to go by what Casey told her, or Lee told her, or she "guessed" from the "clues" Casey was giving her during the jail visits.Well a few comments here. I am reading the documents and Cindy says she had someone search that area and you are probably right. It does not particulary ring true. It sounds like her covering again for Casey as if to say it could not be Casey that body was dumped much later. Secondly, I answered my own question about the blanket . Cindy did not say when she first noticed the blanket was missing. I think I misintepreted that she said she noticed in December when she only reported it when they came by the house with a search warrant. She just then mentioned it. And finally on the meter reader I was right on one thing and wrong on another. I had said the reason the meter probably dropped the whole thing in Aug was because in Aug after the 11th there was lots of noise in the media about the pings around the airport. LE seemed kind of obsessed with that and indeed in his interview he points out it was one of the reasons he thought he was probably wrong was because in the media LE was really focused on another area. So that explains that. Who would keep on calling after the media fuss about pings? But what i was wrong about was I kind of excused the deputy or gave him the benefit of the doubt and turns out he was a lazy, rude, azzhole. Kronk says the deputy slipped and fell and was so annoyed with him, he did not check it out and he told Kronk he was wasting his time. So I blame the damned deputy for not following up . And I now think he should be disciplined. If I had called to help and the policeman had that screw off attitude I would probably let it go . He said he felt belittled.

[javahog]

I have been spouting this exactly to my cousins and also mentioned this earlier on on here, because let's say the jury decides that the forensics are a wash and they don't know who to believe. There is still the smell in the trunk that everybody noticed even Casey herself mentioned it. And why did she not call LE or report it for 31 days? And how to explain her partying her ass off. She did not tell her boyfriend or friends or parents. And how about that nanny story? If I am on a jury and I am looking at the forensic evidence and I am trying to decide who is right, I look at the rest of the evidence. Which version fits the rest of the evidence? Her behavior is going to kill her.I could not agree more.

And that is the truly beautiful thing: even if all the forensic evidence can be seen two ways, it is her own reprehensible behavior that will demolish the possibility of reasonable doubt. She destroyed any defense a lawyer could come up with. Couldn't happen to a nicer girl. (all imo)

[javahog]

*snip*

If NG comes down with the Casey plague, they need to shoot her or at least hold a cross up when they're near her.

I think a lot of people already do that when Nancy's around...

[javahog]

I know very few people who actually believe in coincidences at all. Imagine a jury who believes in a string of them!

At this point the Anthonys would have to have dopplegangers since its the whole darn house. And could they have more Target merchandise? Musta lived there, I tell ya.

[mu8shark]

More comments on docu dumps. First of all in the doc dump there is a statement that something that was discovered on the body made them believe it was not an accident but intentional. .Are they referring to the duct tape or something not yet released? And I notice not one of her friends seems to recall any mention of a nanny before July which makes me wonder if when her parents mention that she mentioned it before to them, before Caylee went missing if they are lying to cover for her. If she indeed did string her parents along a few months before the murder then she was laying a plan down pretty early on to blame the nanny. Also on this story where she tells friends she is going crazy and wanted to be commited.(Too bad they did not take her up on that.) I do not believe Casey really meant it at all. She had just found out her mother was told she was pregnant for a second time and Cindy was fuming mad. Casey strikes me as the type who is histronic and would tell her friends and Mom that I am feeling crazy story for sympathy. Both friends say when they next talked to her she kind of blew it off and said everything is okay I talked to my Mom. I think this was one of the ways she manipulated Cindy I can see her telling her Mom she wants to be commited and Cindy getting unmad and saying, "Casey sweetheart things will be okay maybe I have been hard on you. " I can totally hear that happening. Also what i find shocking is when Lee tells a friend of Caseys on his myspace page that Caylee is missing I believe in early July and they can't find Caylee and when the friend contacts Casey she says"Lee is crazy. Everything is okay." Now come on would this not be the perfect time to tell a friend whom you hung out a lot with, "Something happened, Caylee was taken by a nanny." But no, Casey is totally through with that subject and it is like Caylee never existed and just carry on. . She never says a thing. And finally the deception of the Anthonys is just amazing. Cindy . Cindy told the FBI and a morning program that Casey was reliable and responsible . Yet in the documents several friends say that George and Cindy had talked about getting custody of Caylee several times already and her mother was constantly berating her for not taking care of Caylee. Also in 2007 she had already stolen money from her parents on a credit card. So for Cindy to actually say the words reliable and responsible , that is such a lie and she is so covering. No wonder George was stunned in his interview when LE told him what Cindy said.

[Zingo]

Yep, she KNEW when the body was FOUND (as opposed to ID'd) @ that site, they had found Caylee. She never blinked an eye or missed a beat the other time bones were found during a search for Caylee.

Good point, Amy. I wonder if the state will bring that in as evidence to her state of mind (or whatever that legal term is) since she was panicking BEFORE Caylee was ID'd if I'm understanding that correctly.

[javahog]

More comments on docu dumps. First of all in the doc dump there is a statement that something that was discovered on the body made them believe it was not an accident but intentional. .Are they referring to the duct tape or something not yet released? And I notice not one of her friends seems to recall any mention of a nanny before July which makes me wonder if when her parents mention that she mentioned it before to them, before Caylee went missing if they are lying to cover for her. If she indeed did string her parents along a few months before the murder then she was laying a plan down pretty early on to blame the nanny. Also on this story where she tells friends she is going crazy and wanted to be commited.(Too bad they did not take her up on that.) I do not believe Casey really meant it at all. She had just found out her mother was told she was pregnant for a second time and Cindy was fuming mad. Casey strikes me as the type who is histronic and would tell her friends and Mom that I am feeling crazy story for sympathy. Both friends say when they next talked to her she kind of blew it off and said everything is okay I talked to my Mom. I think this was one of the ways she manipulated Cindy I can see her telling her Mom she wants to be commited and Cindy getting unmad and saying, "Casey sweetheart things will be okay maybe I have been hard on you. " I can totally hear that happening. Also what i find shocking is when Lee tells a friend of Caseys on his myspace page that Caylee is missing I believe in early July and they can't find Caylee and when the friend contacts Casey she says"Lee is crazy. Everything is okay." Now come on would this not be the perfect time to tell a friend whom you hung out a lot with, "Something happened, Caylee was taken by a nanny." But no, Casey is totally through with that subject and it is like Caylee never existed and just carry on. . She never says a thing. And finally the deception of the Anthonys is just amazing. Cindy . Cindy told the FBI and a morning program that Casey was reliable and responsible . Yet in the documents several friends say that George and Cindy had talked about getting custody of Caylee several times already and her mother was constantly berating her for not taking care of Caylee. Also in 2007 she had already stolen money from her parents on a credit card. So for Cindy to actually say the words reliable and responsible , that is such a lie and she is so covering. No wonder George was stunned in his interview when LE told him what Cindy said.

In her texts to Tony she referred to Zani taking care of Caylee, I think May 8ish. R Grund said way earlier, but, well, I got concerns about that source...

And, I wonder if George has moments where he gets vertigo from the rug being pulled out from under him. Reliable! He is one case where I consider a total breakdown to be a reasonable reaction.

[lorettalockhorn]

At this point the Anthonys would have to have dopplegangers since its the whole darn house. And could they have more Target merchandise? Musta lived there, I tell ya.

Ya know, not having better resolution or eyesight or magnifying glass than you (the pic you asked about), all I could think of was the utter stuff/crap in that room. It's everywhere inside and outside that house.

[javahog]

Good point, Amy. I wonder if the state will bring that in as evidence to her state of mind (or whatever that legal term is) since she was panicking BEFORE Caylee was ID'd if I'm understanding that correctly.

Hoo, yeah! There's a reason they sent a couple of investigators out to the jail to interview staff who saw the scene. she's an idjit.

[Amy]

On Cindy saying Casey is reliable and responsible--she had already talked ON AIR about Casey being a liar and a thief. Sure, Cindy, I have ALWAYS use liars and thieves in the same sentence as reliable and responsible. I guess I could probably rely on them to be responsible for stealing my money and lying about it!!! There!!! That works!!!!:biggrin:

[javahog]

Ya know, not having better resolution or eyesight or magnifying glass than you (the pic you asked about), all I could think of was the utter stuff/crap in that room. It's everywhere inside and outside that house.

I like to think of it as suburban camouflage, Loretta.

[javahog]

On Cindy saying Casey is reliable and responsible--she had already talked ON AIR about Casey being a liar and a thief. Sure, Cindy, I have ALWAYS use liars and thieves in the same sentence as reliable and responsible. I guess I could probably rely on them to be responsible for stealing my money and lying about it!!! There!!! That works!!!!:biggrin:

Ah consistency! Casey's good trait!

[Zingo]

More comments on docu dumps. First of all in the doc dump there is a statement that something that was discovered on the body made them believe it was not an accident but intentional. .Are they referring to the duct tape or something not yet released? And I notice not one of her friends seems to recall any mention of a nanny before July which makes me wonder if when her parents mention that she mentioned it before to them, before Caylee went missing if they are lying to cover for her. If she indeed did string her parents along a few months before the murder then she was laying a plan down pretty early on to blame the nanny. Also on this story where she tells friends she is going crazy and wanted to be commited.(Too bad they did not take her up on that.) I do not believe Casey really meant it at all. She had just found out her mother was told she was pregnant for a second time and Cindy was fuming mad. Casey strikes me as the type who is histronic and would tell her friends and Mom that I am feeling crazy story for sympathy. Both friends say when they next talked to her she kind of blew it off and said everything is okay I talked to my Mom. I think this was one of the ways she manipulated Cindy I can see her telling her Mom she wants to be commited and Cindy getting unmad and saying, "Casey sweetheart things will be okay maybe I have been hard on you. " I can totally hear that happening. Also what i find shocking is when Lee tells a friend of Caseys on his myspace page that Caylee is missing I believe in early July and they can't find Caylee and when the friend contacts Casey she says"Lee is crazy. Everything is okay." Now come on would this not be the perfect time to tell a friend whom you hung out a lot with, "Something happened, Caylee was taken by a nanny." But no, Casey is totally through with that subject and it is like Caylee never existed and just carry on. . She never says a thing. And finally the deception of the Anthonys is just amazing. Cindy . Cindy told the FBI and a morning program that Casey was reliable and responsible . Yet in the documents several friends say that George and Cindy had talked about getting custody of Caylee several times already and her mother was constantly berating her for not taking care of Caylee. Also in 2007 she had already stolen money from her parents on a credit card. So for Cindy to actually say the words reliable and responsible , that is such a lie and she is so covering. No wonder George was stunned in his interview when LE told him what Cindy said.

Good observations, Mu. I have so opened my eyes to Cindy in the last month. I hadn't been following all her lies that closely, and naturally, I just assumed she was in denial. But I think it's more than that. Your point about her saying Casey is "reliable and responsible" is Exhibit 1.

Kinda like at the memorial when Cindy said Caylee got her compassion from Casey.

Uh huh :rolleyes:

[Native Alien]

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I have said since the very beginning that George and Cindy knew Caylee was dead from the time they got the ccar home and then found Casey was alright. George asked LE to let him know firast if it went in that direction so he could tell Cindy. Annd how about Cindy saying to George, "It was pizza, wasn't it?". They both knew. Never doubt it.

I have a memory of I think it was George that was talking to, I think it was the FBI, recounting the tale of what happened when he went to the towyard to get the car. He could smell it ( the car) before he even got to it. He said something to the guy that took him to the car about his daughter and granddaughter being missing and the guy asked him if George wanted the guy to look inside the car first.

Anyone that has even been around a body that has decomposed in an enclosed area knows that smell. It is different than any other smell. If the smell of smoke offended George and Cindy then George knew that smell the very minute he approached that car.

[Native Alien]

More comments on docu dumps. First of all in the doc dump there is a statement that something that was discovered on the body made them believe it was not an accident but intentional. .Are they referring to the duct tape or something not yet released?

There is talk of a bottle, I believe a blue gatorade bottle, that had a toilet paper roll in it with what looked to be a syringe wrapped inside the toilet paper roll. There was liquid at the bottom of the bottle. I am wondering if they analyzed what was in the syringe and that is what actually killed Caylee. If so it would have Casey's fingerprints on it because it was enclosed and protected from the weather. There is also the fact that the fingerprint report on the duct tape doesn't exclude Casey.

One other thing while I am thinking about it. In one of the photos, in one of the bins in the garage you can see a sheet of heart shaped stickers with some of the stickers missing.

[mu8shark]

There is talk of a bottle, I believe a blue gatorade bottle, that had a toilet paper roll in it with what looked to be a syringe wrapped inside the toilet paper roll. There was liquid at the bottom of the bottle. I am wondering if they analyzed what was in the syringe and that is what actually killed Caylee. If so it would have Casey's fingerprints on it because it was enclosed and protected from the weather. There is also the fact that the fingerprint report on the duct tape doesn't exclude Casey.

One other thing while I am thinking about it. In one of the photos, in one of the bins in the garage you can see a sheet of heart shaped stickers with some of the stickers missing. Well when did Jose make the statement that fingerprint evidence is not always reliable. Was that a while back or today, because if it was today why is he rebutting that ahead of time if Casey's fingerprints are not on anything. I mean if she is in the clear on that note why come out and dismiss fingerprint evidence? I know I read it on here but not sure when he made the statement. Anyone know?

[mu8shark]

On Cindy saying Casey is reliable and responsible--she had already talked ON AIR about Casey being a liar and a thief. Sure, Cindy, I have ALWAYS use liars and thieves in the same sentence as reliable and responsible. I guess I could probably rely on them to be responsible for stealing my money and lying about it!!! There!!! That works!!!!:biggrin: That is pretty funny it almost sounds like Cindyspeak. Hopefully a prosecutor will challenge her on that.

[Native Alien]

Well when did Jose make the statement that fingerprint evidence is not always reliable. Was that a while back or today, because if it was today why is he rebutting that ahead of time if Casey's fingerprints are not on anything. I mean if she is in the clear on that note why come out and dismiss fingerprint evidence? I know I read it on here but not sure when he made the statement. Anyone know?

He made the statement about the "junk science" and there was something about fingerprints in that statement yesterday afternoon.

[mu8shark]

He made the statement about the "junk science" and there was something about fingerprints in that statement yesterday afternoon. Well yesterday would have been when he and his super team got the documents. So why would he be suddenly doing a preemptive strike. I wonder if because it says Cindy, George and Lee's fingerprints are not on the tape if he anticipates bad news later on Casey. Also did anyone else read the thing where someone sent an email or letter to the forensics team that was addressed to Lee. They do not say the content of the letter or email so far. Is it later in the documents that they reveal the specifics? It makes me curious. Thanks for the answer on that Native Alien.

[Native Alien]

Well yesterday would have been when he and his super team got the documents. So why would he be suddenly doing a preemptive strike. I wonder if because it says Cindy, George and Lee's fingerprints are not on the tape if he anticipates bad news later on Casey. Also did anyone else read the thing where someone sent an email or letter to the forensics team that was addressed to Lee. They do not say the content of the letter or email so far. Is it later in the documents that they reveal the specifics? It makes me curious. Thanks for the answer on that Native Alien.

I have read thru the documents that are out in this bunch and it isn't what is here that catches my attention but what isn't here that gets me. Take Annie Downing's actual interview. That is supposedly still being transcribed. Why is it that we have everyone else's interviews but not hers?

Or why do we not have all the toxicology back yet? There is still hair and fiber evidence results that are not released. There are just alot of unanswered questions that I thought would be answered with this bunch of documents.

[Kendu]

LMAO As much as I can't stand Mr. French Cuffs, he should sue LP for slander and libel.

I would love for LA or GA to slap the taste out of his mouth.
What NG has allowed this clown to say and do every night is down right sinfull. No fingerprints on the tape, Lee is not the farther and it goes on and on.
When you hear him or them say "our inside sources tell us" to me that means they are making things up, missing leading us or out and out lieing. The date on the diary clearly say's 03 but nasty Nancy is playing it up as if it says 08.
She is as big a phony and as low as her main man LP. Some of the talking head lawyers are starting speak out and see this man for what he is.

Bombshell--if LP was a baseball player, his batting avarge would be zero.
He need's to go back to CA and catch some bail jumpers.

[Native Alien]

I believe that there is alot that we aren't going to see until just before this goes to trial, if it goes to trial.

[shadydaisy]

I believe that there is alot that we aren't going to see until just before this goes to trial, if it goes to trial.

From what I've heard, the thinking is the trial won't happen for a year. The lawyers I was talking to yesterday said they would go for a plea deal. Unless there is some info out there that we don't know of, Casey is an extremely unsympathetic character. They didn't think a jury would be swayed by her.

They had all thought that Lee was the dad (because of the way Baez was handling the case) and that would have changed the entire complexion of the case. A jury could have possibly been influenced by a bunch of psychiatrists saying incest drove her to her actions. Now that they know that's not the case, they say go for the plea deal.

[Gatordog]

Why did Cindy have someone walk this area if she thought Caylee was alive and why did she choose this particular area out of all the cell phone pings. I find that odd, anybody else?It is not like they had two areas to search and she happened to have them look at one of them. Tim Miller said there were over 100 areas to search.

That's the first thing I thought of myself. Why did she send Dominic to look the area over if the nanny had Caylee and she was still alive? She was on LK stating that Caylee was alive.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Do like Loretta says, Beemer! Toss those cookies, lol!

Everytime I see Lee moaning CMA, I just about toss my cookies!

Gator

[Gatordog]

I have read thru the documents that are out in this bunch and it isn't what is here that catches my attention but what isn't here that gets me. Take Annie Downing's actual interview. That is supposedly still being transcribed. Why is it that we have everyone else's interviews but not hers?

Or why do we not have all the toxicology back yet? There is still hair and fiber evidence results that are not released. There are just alot of unanswered questions that I thought would be answered with this bunch of documents.

I heard yesterday that Annie's interview was fairly recent. I don't remember when they said it was but it was either mid January or early this month. I think that the police have to hold on to the documents a certain length of time before they go public. There's still 22 disks left which will go out in a few weeks.

[Gatordog]

Regarding Haleigh - finally, LE is searching a car for evidence. I said days ago that they needed to search Misti's car.

Gator

[shadydaisy]

Regarding Haleigh - finally, LE is searching a car for evidence. I said days ago that they needed to search Misti's car.

Gator

ITA - 'bout time. You think LE in FL, with all that's gone on, would have just gone ahead and done this immediately.

[Justice Denied?]

Hi JD, thanks for the greeting. I believe that 45 day limit was PRIOR to finding Caylee's remains and the forensics seems to point to premeditation, i.e., duct tape on mouth. Sooooo, maybe someone else can shed some light on this. :confused:
I've been back on forth on between here and the Haleigh thread. Fascinating perspectives from a great group?
I'm on the west coast so I'm obviously getting info much later than most of you. Takes me awhile to catch up and by then most have turned in for the night.

That is one advantage to having posters here who are in FL. They get the news on their local stations first. Gator and some of the others are really good about keeping us up to date.

I am in Texas but usually go to bed early. Sorry.

[Justice Denied?]

If she doesn't care who's disturbed, she shouldn't have bothered to ASK Susan Moss what she thinks about the A's, for Pete's sake!!!!

NG is getting to where she disgusts me more and more. She exagerates everything and twists it to her point of view. Did y'all notice that she never mentions the "03" on the opposite page when talking about the diary?

[Justice Denied?]

More comments on docu dumps. First of all in the doc dump there is a statement that something that was discovered on the body made them believe it was not an accident but intentional. .Are they referring to the duct tape or something not yet released? And I notice not one of her friends seems to recall any mention of a nanny before July which makes me wonder if when her parents mention that she mentioned it before to them, before Caylee went missing if they are lying to cover for her. If she indeed did string her parents along a few months before the murder then she was laying a plan down pretty early on to blame the nanny. Also on this story where she tells friends she is going crazy and wanted to be commited.(Too bad they did not take her up on that.) I do not believe Casey really meant it at all. She had just found out her mother was told she was pregnant for a second time and Cindy was fuming mad. Casey strikes me as the type who is histronic and would tell her friends and Mom that I am feeling crazy story for sympathy. Both friends say when they next talked to her she kind of blew it off and said everything is okay I talked to my Mom. I think this was one of the ways she manipulated Cindy I can see her telling her Mom she wants to be commited and Cindy getting unmad and saying, "Casey sweetheart things will be okay maybe I have been hard on you. " I can totally hear that happening. Also what i find shocking is when Lee tells a friend of Caseys on his myspace page that Caylee is missing I believe in early July and they can't find Caylee and when the friend contacts Casey she says"Lee is crazy. Everything is okay." Now come on would this not be the perfect time to tell a friend whom you hung out a lot with, "Something happened, Caylee was taken by a nanny." But no, Casey is totally through with that subject and it is like Caylee never existed and just carry on. . She never says a thing. And finally the deception of the Anthonys is just amazing. Cindy . Cindy told the FBI and a morning program that Casey was reliable and responsible . Yet in the documents several friends say that George and Cindy had talked about getting custody of Caylee several times already and her mother was constantly berating her for not taking care of Caylee. Also in 2007 she had already stolen money from her parents on a credit card. So for Cindy to actually say the words reliable and responsible , that is such a lie and she is so covering. No wonder George was stunned in his interview when LE told him what Cindy said.

What about Cindy telling Casey, "you can't be crazy! What would the neighbors think? We have to keep up appearances at all costs!"?

[Native Alien]

I found this to be a good video to watch.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18748451/index.html

[DrewBerry]

Everytime I see Lee moaning CMA, I just about toss my cookies!

Gator

:beer:I'm with you, Gator. His GF needs to run fast and not look back!!

[DrewBerry]

I believe that there is alot that we aren't going to see until just before this goes to trial, if it goes to trial.

ITA. I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. The trial will happen. The Liar will never admit to anything. Unfortunately, we will have to wait at least a year. Bozo may try to cut a deal but there's no way the pros. will deal. JMO.

[DrewBerry]

Looks to me like MR BAEZ better start taking that 'lil purple pill' because if he thinks he's got stomach problems or GERD or Hiatal Hernia or Ulcer or whateverTF..... wait till we get to trial. All evidence isn't in, and the defense can spout all they want to to the public. They should call it the Casey Spin.

Tell me that the beginning of this story, where Caylee disappears and mommie dearest does not call Mr. Policeman, and grandma does 31 days later isn't going to set the tone for this case............The pics from Fusian, half naked Flag Party (where supposedly, didn't Caylee sleep right through in the other room??!!) will need to come into evidence, so that the prosecution can show just what she Wasn't doing during that time ~ looking for Caylee.

Yes, a lot of circumstancial evidence in this case...and that's just fine, MR BAEZ. Take your pills, dearie.

AND ~~~~~~~ To think that Cindy Anthony KNEW that Winnie the Pooh blanket was missing, and waited till THEY came to do another search on the house on the 20th...what a damn shame. She should be ashamed of herself for playing this game instead of helping in ANY Way. We can see why SHE needed immunity. This pissed me off to no end! :flamemad:

That journal entry is a ? until we find out the correct year. Though, it does sound questionable since there is not a peep about Caylee...and what new friends did she make at 15? :confused: NG should not have reported anything like that as fact. You guys are right about that..we don't know the correct year of that posting in the journal.

Hi OS. . Yes, Bozo's recent medical problems could be directly related to the fact that he's full of chit!!.
As far as Cindy goes, she will never feel any shame for her actions/inactions. She'll do anything to paint a rosy picture of herself and her family. She will never be able to admit that she contributed to this tragedy. Remember, Cindy blames everyone else but herself and her own kin for what has happened. No wonder the Liar grew into the monster she has become. Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming Cindy for Liar murdering her own daughter. I've got some sympathy for poor ol' George because I think he knows the truth. But Cindy. . . none left for her.:flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

So Bozo will rely on non junk science to challenge? Can hardly wait. ;)

Baez got this batch of discovery sometime last week and his team and new spin doctor couldn't come up with anything better than the junk science comment? Junk science is the "other half of the story"? He'd be so much better off not commenting at all.

[DrewBerry]

Wecome DrewBerry, to the hallowed halls of supersleuths! You now probably know there are great minds at work here, (I think some have missed their calling), but I'm glad they are here!

We all agree to disagree at times, but we have respect for each other. A great place to say what's on you mind without really (;)) getting your head bit off!

well, maybe sometimes............Nah, but we are a LiTtLe CrAzY :D!

Thanks, OS. This is a smart group and I so enjoy the honest exchanges. I also appreciate the humor from time to time. Without a few laughs now and then we wouldn't get through some of these tragedies. :o

[Woostock]

This a great group. I usually don't get to read the posts until I get home from school but we have this week off !!
I am always amazed at the wealth of info and brain power here and in spite of some differences in opinions we are respectful of others. I have learned a lot especially in this case....a very heartbreaking case, indeed.

[Mojo]

This a great group. I usually don't get to read the posts until I get home from school but we have this week off !!
I am always amazed at the wealth of info and brain power here and in spite of some differences in opinions we are respectful of others. I have learned a lot especially in this case....a very heartbreaking case, indeed.

Hey guys, go to

www.myfoxorlando.com

They just released the Dominic Casey interview.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey guys, go to

www.myfoxorlando.com

They just released the Dominic Casey interview.

Thanks for the link! Started reading and had to run into town, but D Casey sounds like a blithering idiot. And John Allen and Nick Savage are great interviewers.

[One2Snoop]

Anthony P.I. Gave Conflicting Statements To Investigators

Thursday, February 19, 2009 – updated: 1:04 pm EST February 19, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Anthony family's private eye, Dominic Casey, gave conflicting statements to investigators under oath (read transcript) about what he was doing at the scene a month before Caylee Anthony's remains were found there and he was being represented at the time by the

Dominic Casey first told investigators what he first told Eyewitness News, that he had gone to the scene on November 15 merely to determine whether it was a teen hangout as one of Casey's old friends had said. But Dominic Casey could not explain what relevance that would have, since it had been years since Casey was a teenager.

Then, Dominic Casey told investigators he got a call from a psychic the same morning he'd planned to go there that Caylee's remains were in the woods.

Dominic Casey also gave conflicting reports as to who he was talking to on the phone. First it was a psychic, then, when he was asked about talking to his sick daughter, which is what he first told Eyewitness News, he added his daughter to the list of people he was talking to at the scene.

Dominic Casey also told investigators he went to a house nearby based on the psychic tip to look in the culvert, but the video does not show him at the culvert; it shows him digging and poking right next to the house.

The Anthonys' private eye also told investigators, under oath, that he did not know he was being videotaped by another private investigator, Jim Hoover, although at times it looks as though he's being videotaped from close up. Mr. Casey called Hoover a "sneaky devil."

The statement was the first Dominic Casey gave to investigators. There's a second one that the judge hasn't decided whether to release yet.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18751052/detail.html#-

[Mojo]

Thanks for the link! Started reading and had to run into town, but D Casey sounds like a blithering idiot. And John Allen and Nick Savage are great interviewers.

You are right on both counts. Half way through I thought this would be hilarious if it wasn't so disgusting. I'm amazed the Ant's have surrounded themselves with these vultures. You have to read the end. It got really interesting. They asked him if there was anybody that had ever told him not to call 911 if he found a body. He said yes but then they cut the tape off so he could confer with the attorney. He didn't answer who it was. This may be the answer to the immunity question.

[One2Snoop]

Here's the transcript for those of you who don't have sound...

Transcript of interview with Dominic Casey on January 7, 2009

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021909dominiccaseytranscript/indexGallery.htm

[tv]

Everytime I see Lee moaning CMA, I just about toss my cookies!

Gator
I've been looking for a word to describe Lee saying CMA and moaning is perfect! I was so embarrassed for him when he was doing the CMA thing and what was he kissing?

[lorettalockhorn]

You are right on both counts. Half way through I thought this would be hilarious if it wasn't so disgusting. I'm amazed the Ant's have surrounded themselves with these vultures. You have to read the end. It got really interesting. They asked him if there was anybody that had ever told him not to call 911 if he found a body. He said yes but then they cut the tape off so he could confer with the attorney. He didn't answer who it was. This may be the answer to the immunity question.

I'm only on page seventeen and he's already made a laughingstock of himself. So I'm guessing that it wasn't the psychic, the sick daughter, or Hoover who told him not to call 911. LMAO But 11/15 sure does tie into the date "a month ago" that Cindy mentioned to detectives on 12/20. I'm beginning to see where Casey got her lying and downright evil traits.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've been looking for a word to describe Lee saying CMA and moaning is perfect! I was so embarrassed for him when he was doing the CMA thing and what was he kissing?

He was frenching his cuff! :hat:

(It was a (find Caylee?) bracelet.)

[tv]

He was frenching his cuff! :hat:

(It was a (find Caylee?) bracelet.)

Thanks, Loretta. I can see kissing the bracelet (sort of) but he did it a little too icky for lack of a better word. Is that who you guys are calling French Cuffs...lol, I was away for a few days.

[Gatordog]

Let me tell you about my wonderful meeting with Cindy Anthongy. I'll try not to be long winded. Saturday 2:30 p.m. I drove down Goldenrod and saw the tent. There were no visitors there only six or seven volunteers. I stopped because I felt that their comments regarding the publics lack of interest and not wanting to find a live Caylee were unwarranted. I didn't see the Anthonys there. I spoke to the woman of Kidfinders and asked what they wanted the public to do - knock on every door and demand entrance to examine the house for Caylee? I said that if I'm at the mall or restaurant, and I see a little girl, I look but I'm not going to call the police everytime I see a child. What they are asking of the public seems unreasonable. Well we're talking for a while and she says to me, here are two people I want you to meet and there they were. I was kind of surprised. Mrs. Milstadt told them that I stopped because I feel the public has been insulted due to comments about us not caring and that what are we supposed to do? First thing I said was how sorry I was for their situation. Well Cindy starts telling me that the media is only interested in searching for a dead child. She's going on and on and then, she grabbed my hand. Don't ask me why but I immediately pulled it back and said don't touch me. It was like being touched by a rat or something. I said pointing to Mr. Anthony he's okay, but I don't want you to touch me. Well, she went ballistic. Yelling at me that I wanted that child to be dead that I wasn't interested in Caylee being alive. She really was getting scarey. So I said to don't yell at me. I want Caylee to come home. Everyone wants Caylee to come home. Then she went on that I should look good at that picture because I'm wishing her dead. I started to cry. I said that's the last thing I want and everyone wants her to come home. She just wouldn't listen and kept screaming. I tried to talk calmly to her but she was acting just like she did to the people outside her house. Mr. Anthony was standing back and just looked at my so sadly and then looked to the ground. I tried again to tell her she was wrong and then I looked at him and said "You can't get through to her. She doesn't listen". He just slightly shook his head and then walked away. Cindy was going on and on about their information that she's alive and that they have details why she's alive. I was so upset I couldn't say anything because I didn't want to get George upset by me saying anything that was negative about his rotten daughter. I was angry at the KidFinders people because they treated me like I did something wrong. I told them I did nothing wrong. I go to George and tell him that I was sorry for his situation and that everyone want Caylee to come home. I told him that so many people are praying for her and for him. I did tell him that I thought he was a good man and that I would do anything to help him get her back but that because of his wife, no one wants to help. He nodded his head in understanding and I left it at that.

I went to my car and was followed by the news spokesperson. She really wanted to talk to me and I told her point blank, that Cindy doesn't help her cause. She is alienating the people who can help her. I said I wouldn't lift a finger to help that woman. She said she understood how things have been and that she's there to help. I said I felt so sorry for the situation they are in considering everything that is involved and all and that I wouldn't want to trade places with then for $10 million. Then the spokeswoman told me that they were supposed to be on Nancy Grace but they backed out because of all the negative publicity and that there is going to be a press conference on Monday where they will give all the details as to why Caylee is alive and what they have been doing to find her. She said "Caylee is going to come home and Casey is going to come home too". At that I said, "Don't even go there. I purposely didn't bring her up. She is where she belongs if for nothing more than her stealing."

So now I hear that there won't be a press conference afterall and that they are going to do it later in the week. Now all you people who are surprised by that, raise your hands. Umph, thought so.;)

I started reading Dominic's statement and he talked of a meet and greet. It is the same one that I went to when Cindy tore me a new one because I questioned what they want the public to do since she was saying that we needed to look for Caylee. So here she is yelling at me saying that I wanted Caylee to be dead when she was alive and out there and Cindy secretly sends Dominic Casey out to the woods to look for a body at the same time. What a joke.

Gator

[Gatordog]

WESH news showed Bozo Baez and LKB at a conference in Denver. WESH is also going to report who paid the Anthony's bill when they stayed at the Ritz Carlton. I'll let you know when I hear.

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

Hi OS. . Yes, Bozo's recent medical problems could be directly related to the fact that he's full of chit!!.
As far as Cindy goes, she will never feel any shame for her actions/inactions. She'll do anything to paint a rosy picture of herself and her family. She will never be able to admit that she contributed to this tragedy. Remember, Cindy blames everyone else but herself and her own kin for what has happened. No wonder the Liar grew into the monster she has become. Don't get me wrong. I'm not blaming Cindy for Liar murdering her own daughter. I've got some sympathy for poor ol' George because I think he knows the truth. But Cindy. . . none left for her.:flamemad:

In this day an age it is not easy to get admitted to a hospital unless you are really sick and tests like MRI's, CAt Scans, etc prove it. Was Bozo admitted to the hospital? I would not be surprised if he has a bleeding ulcer. He should drop out of this case. When the fire is to hot you need to get out of the kitchen. THis case is not gonna make him famous in a good way, infamous maybe. I remember Mark Garagos, thinking he was such a big shot when he got hired to represent Scott Peterson, when he lost the case he disappeared for several years, embarassed I am sure. However, he got paid up front, don't think that is happening with BOZO. There is to much curcumstanal evidence for any jury to find the Liar anything but guilty. By the way did anyone pick up on the statement the Liar made when talking to her parents the first time she was in Jail. She said BOZO was in New York doing business for her. What ya think, Book or Movie deal????LOL

[Gatordog]

There is talk of a bottle, I believe a blue gatorade bottle, that had a toilet paper roll in it with what looked to be a syringe wrapped inside the toilet paper roll. There was liquid at the bottom of the bottle. I am wondering if they analyzed what was in the syringe and that is what actually killed Caylee. If so it would have Casey's fingerprints on it because it was enclosed and protected from the weather. There is also the fact that the fingerprint report on the duct tape doesn't exclude Casey.

One other thing while I am thinking about it. In one of the photos, in one of the bins in the garage you can see a sheet of heart shaped stickers with some of the stickers missing.

Bob Kealing of WESH news talked about that bottle. He said the contents were being analyzed but the results are either not in yet or not being released now. He summized that it could have contained chloroform.

Gator

[Gatordog]

WESH states that Dominic Casey said that WABC News paid for the Anthony's stay at the ritz Carlton.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Bob Kealing of WESH news talked about that bottle. He said the contents were being analyzed but the results are either not in yet or not being released now. He summized that it could have contained chloroform.

Gator

You know, when I first read about that (and the syringe), it occurred to me that Casey may have injected Caylee with chloroform, or even air, and that seemed so much more horrible than smothering her or making her breathe chloroform. Definitely more premeditated.

[lorettalockhorn]

WESH states that Dominic Casey said that WABC News paid for the Anthony's stay at the ritz Carlton.

Gator

Speaking of Dom, I've made it to page 44 of his interview with LE. Someone puhleez tell me that he is playing dumb!!!!!!!!

[Native Alien]

I don't think that he is playing dumb. I think that he is trying to cover his a** and someone else's too.

As to the contents of the bottle, I am more concerned about what was in the syringe that was in the bottle.

[deacon]

I don't think that he is playing dumb. I think that he is trying to cover his a** and someone else's too.

As to the contents of the bottle, I am more concerned about what was in the syringe that was in the bottle.

You know what just confuses me, the duct tape. If she used chloroform and she had done this before the Caylee would be use to it a bit. Why the flippin' duct tape? Now, if she injected Caylee with something I could see it. No noise from Caylee when she was injected and no noise as she died. But then, why the chloroform searches? Was she "not smart" enough to not be able to get the chloroform made? (I could see that as a problem) This gets deeper all the time. I think the "end story" will shock us and be really ugly.

"junk science" indeed. "Jose Jalopeno on a stick" is digging his own grave. Many have tried that approach only to get slapped down in court. What they are using is far from "junk science." Even if it were new and somewhat unproven, I would believe the science before the liar. That is if I were on the jury.

[Gatordog]

Bob Kealing has just reported that they have the Liar's reaction to the news that a child's body was found on Suburban Drive on video tape. Seems that the Liar was deliberately taken from her cell and brought to the nurses station. A video camera had been placed to film her. She was taken to a chair which had a view of a television. It was set to a channel showing the news report of the search of Suburban Drive. When she saw what was on the tv, she doubled over twice and started gasping. They wanted this reaction on tape because there were other times when she saw news reports where they were looking for a body and she had no reaction at all. can't wait to see this video.

Kudos to the officers to trick the Liar. :beer:

Gator

[Gatordog]

Speaking of Dom, I've made it to page 44 of his interview with LE. Someone puhleez tell me that he is playing dumb!!!!!!!!

I'm trying (emphasize trying) to read it and he keeps losing me. He can't put together one coherent thought.

gator

[wind149]

The only new friends she is gonna have when she goes to the Big House, on DR she will only see CO's and if she does get LWPOP. she will probably end up in PC because women who kill their kids are at the bottom of the food chain she would be beaten up or worse the minute she hits gen pop, same as a SO in a male prison, she will become prey. Baez better start praying now even though a trial date has not been set, leaves the DA plenty of time to round it all up. And her words are gonna haunt her in that diary, she was so jealous of that child, she resented her, in her teeny mind, killing her was the only way she felt she could live her life, why in hell did she even have the child? Birth control is pretty damm cheap and available, you don't want kids you use something, I always was on the pill, worked for me!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm trying (emphasize trying) to read it and he keeps losing me. He can't put together one coherent thought.

gator

Did a few more chores (to wake myself up) and now I've made it to P68. You know, the transcript would only be fifty pages long if Dominick hadn't repeated every thing the detectives said. :rolleyes:

[Native Alien]

You know what just confuses me, the duct tape. If she used chloroform and she had done this before the Caylee would be use to it a bit. Why the flippin' duct tape? Now, if she injected Caylee with something I could see it. No noise from Caylee when she was injected and no noise as she died. But then, why the chloroform searches? Was she "not smart" enough to not be able to get the chloroform made? (I could see that as a problem) This gets deeper all the time. I think the "end story" will shock us and be really ugly.

"junk science" indeed. "Jose Jalopeno on a stick" is digging his own grave. Many have tried that approach only to get slapped down in court. What they are using is far from "junk science." Even if it were new and somewhat unproven, I would believe the science before the liar. That is if I were on the jury.

That is just it. I don't see her making chloroform. I don't think that she would have had the patience or the ability to do it. She doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in the box. Don't get me wrong it isn't that hard to make, but it can be quite really dangerous to make and use. I have a feeling that she did do an injection and the duct tape was there to make sure that Caylee didn't vomit or foam at the mouth and make a mess.

Sorry I probably should have posted a spew alert on this post.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ha Ha! :beer: http://i42.tinypic.com/2dcadz4.jpg

HAHAHA Casey in the naughty/dunce chair!

[Gatordog]

I don't think that he is playing dumb. I think that he is trying to cover his a** and someone else's too.

As to the contents of the bottle, I am more concerned about what was in the syringe that was in the bottle.

Well then, he is dumb because history has provn that it isn't the deed that gets you in trouble, but the cover up.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Ha Ha! :beer: http://i42.tinypic.com/2dcadz4.jpg

OS, thanks for making me laugh. That was funny.

Gator

[lighthousedazy]

That is just it. I don't see her making chloroform. I don't think that she would have had the patience or the ability to do it. She doesn't strike me as the brightest bulb in the box. Don't get me wrong it isn't that hard to make, but it can be quite really dangerous to make and use. I have a feeling that she did do an injection and the duct tape was there to make sure that Caylee didn't vomit or foam at the mouth and make a mess.

Sorry I probably should have posted a spew alert on this post.I had that thought also NA, about the injection. Warning; if she did vomit with the duct tape on her mouth, she would have suffocated. I'm not a medically trained person, but I have heard that a person could also die if there is an air bubble in a syringe. :( jmo

[lighthousedazy]

Did a few more chores (to wake myself up) and now I've made it to P68. You know, the transcript would only be fifty pages long if Dominick hadn't repeated every thing the detectives said. :rolleyes:
Wow, amazing Loretta, page 68... I made it to page 39, and thought I have got to be near the end, when will this be over? :confused: One thing I noticed in the transcripts, Dominic tries to act like he did not want to find the remains, that he would be so upset. If that is true,in the video why was he tearing at the bags and digging like a ravenous animal looking for its prey. I think he had one thing in mind, the REWARD. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow, amazing Loretta, page 68... I made it to page 39, and thought I have got to be near the end, when will this be over? :confused: One thing I noticed in the transcripts, Dominic tries to act like he did not want to find the remains, that he would be so upset. If that is true,in the video why was he tearing at the bags and digging like a ravenous animal looking for its prey. I think he had one thing in mind, the REWARD. jmo

I read the entire interview and the guy just comes off like a complete and total idiot. You have to wonder why the Anthonys surround themselves with the likes of him and the KidFinder people and Michelle Bart when there have been so many upstanding intelligent good hearted honest people who wanted to help them find the truth.

Oh wait. I answered myself with the word truth.

[javahog]

Thanks for the link! Started reading and had to run into town, but D Casey sounds like a blithering idiot. And John Allen and Nick Savage are great interviewers.

Yes, and...he was in the Tip Toe nail salon in Sanford when he heard the news that Caylee had been found? ho-kay...

[javahog]

Speaking of Dom, I've made it to page 44 of his interview with LE. Someone puhleez tell me that he is playing dumb!!!!!!!!

I love the part where he didn't want to say who paid for the hotel, and Conway I think told him to go ahead and say it was ABC, and the cops obviously felt sorry for DC and his lack of smarts, and told him tat they were just asking questions they already knew the answers to...you could hear him get less miserable instantly.

Fascinating how at the end he was saying someone told him not to call 911 or authorities if he found Caylee, but the recorder was shut off and it was apparently privileged!

[javahog]

You are right on both counts. Half way through I thought this would be hilarious if it wasn't so disgusting. I'm amazed the Ant's have surrounded themselves with these vultures. You have to read the end. It got really interesting. They asked him if there was anybody that had ever told him not to call 911 if he found a body. He said yes but then they cut the tape off so he could confer with the attorney. He didn't answer who it was. This may be the answer to the immunity question.

But he said it wasn't anyone in the Anthony house...who was it? I wanna know!

[Justice Denied?]

I love the part where he didn't want to say who paid for the hotel, and Conway I think told him to go ahead and say it was ABC, and the cops obviously felt sorry for DC and his lack of smarts, and told him tat they were just asking questions they already knew the answers to...you could hear him get less miserable instantly.

Fascinating how at the end he was saying someone told him not to call 911 or authorities if he found Caylee, but the recorder was shut off and it was apparently privileged!

When I think of everything Cindy has done to cover up, I get purely disgusted. Starting with washing the clothes found in the car, then the wrong hairbrush. Why didn't she mentionthen that a blanket was missing? Now this with D. Casey.

Did Cindy ever once, even once say, "my granddaughter has been murdered and I want the person responsible found and punished"? No, it's all about saving Casey. That poor, poor baby.:rose::rose::rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Only just now reading Part five of yesterday's dump (tehee), and noticed on the property sheet items taken on 12/11 include a table cloth, furniture covers and a rug from the porch. Also seized were pull-ups and the Winnie The Pooh from the guest room. There were also pull-ups in Caylee's room, but I wonder why the bedding and other pull-ups were not in Caylee's room. Was the guest room closet maybe used for linen and storage?

Oh never mind, I see that the bedding was in a drawer and in Part six they took another set of bedding off Caylee's bed.

[DrewBerry]

I read the entire interview and the guy just comes off like a complete and total idiot. You have to wonder why the Anthonys surround themselves with the likes of him and the KidFinder people and Michelle Bart when there have been so many upstanding intelligent good hearted honest people who wanted to help them find the truth.

Oh wait. I answered myself with the word truth.

Ha, Ha! :beer:[I]Truth[I] is not in their vocabulary.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ha, Ha! :beer:[I]Truth[I] is not in their vocabulary.

Funny how before all this happened Casey was a lying sociopath. Now, she's only guilty of mis-truths according to Cindy. :rolleyes:

[Zingo]

Bob Kealing has just reported that they have the Liar's reaction to the news that a child's body was found on Suburban Drive on video tape. Seems that the Liar was deliberately taken from her cell and brought to the nurses station. A video camera had been placed to film her. She was taken to a chair which had a view of a television. It was set to a channel showing the news report of the search of Suburban Drive. When she saw what was on the tv, she doubled over twice and started gasping. They wanted this reaction on tape because there were other times when she saw news reports where they were looking for a body and she had no reaction at all. can't wait to see this video.

Kudos to the officers to trick the Liar. :beer:

Gator

Wow, those officers are pretty darn smart. A set up :D

[sharlock]

But he said it wasn't anyone in the Anthony house...who was it? I wanna know!
I think it was Jose!

[javahog]

Funny how before all this happened Casey was a lying sociopath. Now, she's only guilty of mis-truths according to Cindy. :rolleyes:

You know, I would not protect my children from the consequences of a crime...but I don't know for sure what instinct would kick in if the death penalty were in play...its ironic the lengths Cindy has apparently gone to to protect her child, and then you think of what Casey (allegedly) did to hers...

[javahog]

I think it was Jose!

I've been trying to think of who else it could be...not knowing the date it happened is a handicap...but Jose or a minion is the best bet...sounds like him, too, imo!

[One2Snoop]

First I was sick and now I've just been busy trying to catch up with everything while I was gone LOL. Thanks to those of you who took the time to read the transcripts. I just wasn't sure I could stomach anymore bullchit from the Ant camp. Unbelievable! :cuss:

[Amy]

I've been trying to think of who else it could be...not knowing the date it happened is a handicap...but Jose or a minion is the best bet...sounds like him, too, imo!

I have a guess!!! Todd Black!!! The infamous "voice on the phone." Maybe that is why his firm was really, really fired this time! lol

[One2Snoop]

You know, I would not protect my children from the consequences of a crime...but I don't know for sure what instinct would kick in if the death penalty were in play...its ironic the lengths Cindy has apparently gone to to protect her child, and then you think of what Casey (allegedly) did to hers...

I'm sure that would be a tough call for any parent.
If I knew my child had wronged another human being I would never cover for them, ever. Call me callous but I just couldn't do it. :no:
Cindy not only lied but she convinced people/organizations etc... to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to continue looking for a live Caylee when she knew full well Caylee was no longer living. To lie and mislead on purpose that's totally wrong and unconscionable to me. :mad:

[javahog]

I'm sure that would be a tough call for any parent.
If I knew my child had wronged another human being I would never cover for them, ever. Call me callous but I just couldn't do it. :no:
Cindy not only lied but she convinced people/organizations etc... to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to continue looking for a live Caylee when she knew full well Caylee was no longer living. To lie and mislead on purpose that's totally wrong and unconscionable to me. :mad:

Do prosecutors ever cut deals where a witness will tell them/give them everything if the DP is taken off the table? (not that I'm saying that is going on here-clearly if it was CA reneged on the deal if it existed...)

[javahog]

First I was sick and now I've just been busy trying to catch up with everything while I was gone LOL. Thanks to those of you who took the time to read the transcripts. I just wasn't sure I could stomach anymore bullchit from the Ant camp. Unbelievable! :cuss:

I'm glad you're feeling better!

I particularly enjoyed the "Oh, by the way, that Pooh blanket has been missing since, oh, Caylee went missing" moment in December(!). Amazing. No wonder she wants immunity, when you look at the number of things done...

[One2Snoop]

Do prosecutors ever cut deals where a witness will tell them/give them everything if the DP is taken off the table? (not that I'm saying that is going on here-clearly if it was CA reneged on the deal if it existed...)

Test - I'm trying to post a response and it won't let me - I keep getting an error. :eek:

ETA: I'm glad that post went thru - now I'll try to post my post again. If it doesn't go thru I'll try sending it to you via pm.

[Native Alien]

Yes, and...he was in the Tip Toe nail salon in Sanford when he heard the news that Caylee had been found? ho-kay...

I had that very same thought.....

[Native Alien]

I had that thought also NA, about the injection. Warning; if she did vomit with the duct tape on her mouth, she would have suffocated. I'm not a medically trained person, but I have heard that a person could also die if there is an air bubble in a syringe. :( jmo

The vomiting with the duct tape over her mouth statement is true, but if that is what happened I don't think that Casey would have cared at that point. It would also explain the method of death, when there is no blunt trauma seen.

The whole air bubble scenario would require a certain set of things to happen and I am not so sure that Casey is capable of causing them to happen.

[One2Snoop]

Test - I'm trying to post a response and it won't let me - I keep getting an error. :eek:

ETA: I'm glad that post went thru - now I'll try to post my post again. If it doesn't go thru I'll try sending it to you via pm.

Java - I keep getting a "method not implemented error" so I sent my response via pm and it went thru. Not sure what's up with that but if you want to post my response here thats fine with me. :seeya:

[Amy]

Do prosecutors ever cut deals where a witness will tell them/give them everything if the DP is taken off the table? (not that I'm saying that is going on here-clearly if it was CA reneged on the deal if it existed...)

I have only heard of or read about deals that involve the one person. That is, the defendant can make a deal about his/her fate. And a witness would make a deal that would affect his or her own fate. But, as usual, this case is so odd, and who could tell if they might want to make a deal w/Cindy that would affect Casey's sentencing.

[Native Alien]

Do prosecutors ever cut deals where a witness will tell them/give them everything if the DP is taken off the table? (not that I'm saying that is going on here-clearly if it was CA reneged on the deal if it existed...)

I have to agree with Amy on this one. I have only heard of deals like that where the defendant is the one making the deal. I don't know that it is unheard of, or that it has never been done. I just know that I have never heard of anything like it.

[One2Snoop]

I have to agree with Amy on this one. I have only heard of deals like that where the defendant is the one making the deal. I don't know that it is unheard of, or that it has never been done. I just know that I have never heard of anything like it.

I was trying to post to Java earlier that I thought it was rare. Not sure why my post wouldn't go through? Just want you to know I'm on the same wave length as you and Amy. :beer:


g'night all.... :seeya:

[sharlock]

I love the part where he didn't want to say who paid for the hotel, and Conway I think told him to go ahead and say it was ABC, and the cops obviously felt sorry for DC and his lack of smarts, and told him tat they were just asking questions they already knew the answers to...you could hear him get less miserable instantly.

Fascinating how at the end he was saying someone told him not to call 911 or authorities if he found Caylee, but the recorder was shut off and it was apparently privileged!
LOL Exactly like something that Jose would not want repeated imo.;)

[Mojo]

Bob Kealing has just reported that they have the Liar's reaction to the news that a child's body was found on Suburban Drive on video tape. Seems that the Liar was deliberately taken from her cell and brought to the nurses station. A video camera had been placed to film her. She was taken to a chair which had a view of a television. It was set to a channel showing the news report of the search of Suburban Drive. When she saw what was on the tv, she doubled over twice and started gasping. They wanted this reaction on tape because there were other times when she saw news reports where they were looking for a body and she had no reaction at all. can't wait to see this video.

Kudos to the officers to trick the Liar. :beer:

Gator

I saw NG mention the tape last night. I'm dying to see it. I also want to see how bad she's acting and how long it takes before she asks for meds.

[eatcupcakes]

I saw NG mention the tape last night. I'm dying to see it. I also want to see how bad she's acting and how long it takes before she asks for meds.

I really would love to see that tape as well. Can they air it if they are going to use it in court?

[Mojo]

I really would love to see that tape as well. Can they air it if they are going to use it in court?

I would assume so since all the other evidence they have released will be used in court. I haven't seen it but I'm sure Bozo will spin it "oh look how upset she is. This is not the reaction of a mother that killed her chile". Bunch of bs.

[Justice Denied?]

But he said it wasn't anyone in the Anthony house...who was it? I wanna know!

I also want to know what they were gonna do - move the body where it wouldn't be found? I still think it is too big a coincidence that Roy Krunk found the body in almost the same spot. We have all learned there is rarely a coincidence in a criminal case.

Cindy is in this coverup up to her eyeballs. Until the body was found, she did everything she could to keep LE looking in other directions. It is all about saving Casey. What about Caylee, whom she claimed to love so much?

[Justice Denied?]

I'm sure that would be a tough call for any parent.
If I knew my child had wronged another human being I would never cover for them, ever. Call me callous but I just couldn't do it. :no:
Cindy not only lied but she convinced people/organizations etc... to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to continue looking for a live Caylee when she knew full well Caylee was no longer living. To lie and mislead on purpose that's totally wrong and unconscionable to me. :mad:

I would try to love and stand by my child, try being the key word here. But I would expect that child to tell the whole truth and face the consequences.
My sister says she would be first in line demanding the death penalty if her daughter killed her grandchild. I don't know if I could go that far.

[javahog]

Any theories as to why all the shoes were taken by LE. Both Liar's and Caylee's?

I suspect to see if there was soil from the dump site on her and Caylee's shoes...

Were shoes found with the body? I don't remember. If not, and they find little shoes with Zone dirt, that's probably the murder scene.

[lorettalockhorn]

Java - I keep getting a "method not implemented error" so I sent my response via pm and it went thru. Not sure what's up with that but if you want to post my response here thats fine with me. :seeya:

Hey O2S! Great to see you. :tongue:

I got that error in the Haleigh thread when I tried to embed a video. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it was Jose!

Great guess! If Jose gave that instruction to Dick Casey while he was working for him, it might be construed as priveleged. Maybe? And that's why it was off the record. Maybe??

[lorettalockhorn]

I would assume so since all the other evidence they have released will be used in court. I haven't seen it but I'm sure Bozo will spin it "oh look how upset she is. This is not the reaction of a mother that killed her chile". Bunch of bs.

The State can argue that it goes to "consciousness of guilt", especially in light of the fact that 1) she had never had this response to any sightings or other leads, and 2) that Caylee had not yet been identified.

[javahog]

Great guess! If Jose gave that instruction to Dick Casey while he was working for him, it might be construed as priveleged. Maybe? And that's why it was off the record. Maybe??

Probably they went off mic to run the dates, and then the subject was dropped...unless it was Casey herself who told him to do something when he worked for her...but that can't be since he said he was sure Caylee was alive, right?

So it must be Wrong Way Jose...

[lorettalockhorn]

I also want to know what they were gonna do - move the body where it wouldn't be found? I still think it is too big a coincidence that Roy Krunk found the body in almost the same spot. We have all learned there is rarely a coincidence in a criminal case.

Cindy is in this coverup up to her eyeballs. Until the body was found, she did everything she could to keep LE looking in other directions. It is all about saving Casey. What about Caylee, whom she claimed to love so much?


This is exactly the point that chaps my arse.

[javahog]

The State can argue that it goes to "consciousness of guilt", especially in light of the fact that 1) she had never had this response to any sightings or other leads, and 2) that Caylee had not yet been identified.

I wonder if her reaction was similar to Jose's after seeing the discovery? Let's see, doubling over twice, hyperventilating...medication...sounds about right!

[lorettalockhorn]

Probably they went off mic to run the dates, and then the subject was dropped...unless it was Casey herself who told him to do something when he worked for her...but that can't be since he said he was sure Caylee was alive, right?

So it must be Wrong Way Jose...

I just don't know what to think; D Casey comes off as such an idiot in that interview. I can't imagine that even he would go very far to follow Casey's instructions if he would later be slapped with charges of aiding and abetting, abuse of a corpse, lying to officials, or any of the things that could come back to bite him.

[javahog]

I just don't know what to think; D Casey comes off as such an idiot in that interview. I can't imagine that even he would go very far to follow Casey's instructions if he would later be slapped with charges of aiding and abetting, abuse of a corpse, lying to officials, or any of the things that could come back to bite him.

I tend believe him that he would have called 911. In spite of his, uh, mis-truths in this interview. I think he's behind the 8 ball, but he had time to consider what he'd do if he found her after getting whatever instruction...and of course, there is always the reward which would explain his enthusiasm on the tape...

[javahog]

I dont believe there was any mention of shoes found with Caylee's body. Yes that is what is confusing me. The dogs hit on the backyard. Evidence in the trunk. I keep being led back to the house as the murder scene.

Well, she could have been killed elsewhere and "stored" in the backyard. They found play sand at the dump site, right?

I lean toward the house, too, though. I really think the cops are trying to figure out where the killing happened, hence their amazing number of searches of the house,,,

[javahog]

now the board is off by 3 pages!!!

[Gatordog]

I am so busy at work, I haven't had time to read any postings so if this is repetative, I am sorry. Just updates from WFTV. WFTV has requested the video of the Liar's reaction to the news of the found bones, be made available for broadcast. Also, WFTV is putting Dominic's police interview out on audio. I guess they realized how difficult it is to make sense of the written transcript.

Darn - email shows I have more invoices coming in. I'm going to be at this desk forever. Loretta, where's that decomposing person sitting at the computer that you've used before? That's going to be me soon. Too much work, not enough time for posting and camera work. I guess I shouldn't complain. There are too many people without work. :(

Gator

[shadydaisy]

now the board is off by 3 pages!!!

It's annoying; I think I have so much to catch up on, hit the next page and I'm still on the same page! Groundhog Day.

Are there more docs coming out? I'd like to know more about the syringe.

[Gatordog]

I saw NG mention the tape last night. I'm dying to see it. I also want to see how bad she's acting and how long it takes before she asks for meds.

WFTV has requested it be made available. Also, this time, I don't think she's acting. She wasn't aware that anyone was watching her or that she was being videotaped. She was reacting to all the evidence that she dumped along with the body, being found.

Gator

[Gatordog]

It's annoying; I think I have so much to catch up on, hit the next page and I'm still on the same page! Groundhog Day.

Are there more docs coming out? I'd like to know more about the syringe.

LE still has 22 disks which will be released over the next few weeks. This was according to Bob Kealing of WESH.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

I dont believe there was any mention of shoes found with Caylee's body. Yes that is what is confusing me. The dogs hit on the backyard. Evidence in the trunk. I keep being led back to the house as the murder scene.

I am assuming you are correct, but I believe that LE will have a hard time proving as Cindy has probably cleaned and cleaned and cleaned. No telling how much evidence she destroyed.

[eatcupcakes]

I would assume so since all the other evidence they have released will be used in court. I haven't seen it but I'm sure Bozo will spin it "oh look how upset she is. This is not the reaction of a mother that killed her chile". Bunch of bs.

Thanks Mojo, Do you think there are other tapes of bones being found in a different area that the Liar watch and did not have the same reaction that she did for the one she knew was Caylee. If they do then they can show the Jury the difference in her reactions and BOZO won't be able to us the upset mother thing. I sure hope they have others.

[javahog]

I am assuming you are correct, but I believe that LE will have a hard time proving as Cindy has probably cleaned and cleaned and cleaned. No telling how much evidence she destroyed.

That's something that popped to mind ready Dom's interview. He said how every time the LE came to do a search the place was trashed and it took so long to clean it up-that was why George was so mad the last time. So every time they came and searched for evidence, they were creating a situation where more evidence, or different evidence, was destroyed. Did you notice he said they had just cleaned the carpets again?

Hey, maybe that's why the vacuum herd went after the last search: LE realized the rugs had just been done....hmmmn.
edit: hey, beemer, we had the same idea!

[lorettalockhorn]

I am so busy at work, I haven't had time to read any postings so if this is repetative, I am sorry. Just updates from WFTV. WFTV has requested the video of the Liar's reaction to the news of the found bones, be made available for broadcast. Also, WFTV is putting Dominic's police interview out on audio. I guess they realized how difficult it is to make sense of the written transcript.

Darn - email shows I have more invoices coming in. I'm going to be at this desk forever. Loretta, where's that decomposing person sitting at the computer that you've used before? That's going to be me soon. Too much work, not enough time for posting and camera work. I guess I shouldn't complain. There are too many people without work. :(

Gator

Thanks for the heads up. You work too hard, but we're glad you have a job!

[javahog]

LOL Cant wait for more info. Yeah just like Cindy washing the pants. She knew it was a death smell-not rotting pizza as she now claims. And if the Ant's are so sure of Liar's innocence why are they not begging and pleading for help to find the real killer? Nothing,Nada,Zip since Caylee was found. Shade's of O.J. MOO

And that's telling, isn't it? The Anthonys aren't hunting for Zani, OJ only paid lipservice to avenging his ex-wife, and, um, who was it that killed Columbo's wife? Says it all.

[javahog]

You know, watching NG last night, it was pretty amazing as all the moments where Casey was shown she had been replaced, completely replaced, by her own daughter and was being frozen out of the family. Of course she did what she did after being told she would be cut off, kicked out, and Caylee would be taken away...making a narcissist jealous, not a good result.

[lorettalockhorn]

Audio Released Of Detectives Interviewing Anthonys' P.I.


Part 1: http://www.wftv.com/video/18760256/index.html

Part 2: http://www.wftv.com/video/18760645/index.html

Part 3: http://www.wftv.com/video/18760832/index.html

[Mojo]

Audio Released Of Detectives Interviewing Anthonys' P.I.


Part 1: http://www.wftv.com/video/18760256/index.html

Part 2: http://www.wftv.com/video/18760645/index.html

Part 3: http://www.wftv.com/video/18760832/index.html

My goodness, you can pratically hear the wheels turning as he takes a 10 second pause between each word. He's trying to think what to say that won't be the truth and also won't make him look like an ass. too late!

[lorettalockhorn]

My goodness, you can pratically hear the wheels turning as he takes a 10 second pause between each word. He's trying to think what to say that won't be the truth and also won't make him look like an ass. too late!

Is that what that rusty creaking noise is?!

[shadydaisy]

LE still has 22 disks which will be released over the next few weeks. This was according to Bob Kealing of WESH.

Gator

Good. I'd rather read the transcripts than listen to any of the video interviews. I want to just hurry them along. I talk to fast to listen to them. I want to finish their sentences.

LOL Cant wait for more info. Yeah just like Cindy washing the pants. She knew it was a death smell-not rotting pizza as she now claims. And if the Ant's are so sure of Liar's innocence why are they not begging and pleading for help to find the real killer? Nothing,Nada,Zip since Caylee was found. Shade's of O.J. MOO

I don't even know why she washed the pants and just didn't throw them away. Something smells that bad, you just toss it. It's not like clothes from Target cost all that much. Side note - I have found forgotten ham sandwiches, pizza bagels, etc. left in swim bags for ages (gotta love kids!) and they really don't smell that horrible or strong. You can tell the difference between death and old, rotten food.

[shadydaisy]

We've been talking about Casey's reaction to the discovery of Caylee's remains. Here's what the defense thinks of her being videotaped.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18759221/detail.html

[beachbum]

We've been talking about Casey's reaction to the discovery of Caylee's remains. Here's what the defense thinks of her being videotaped.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18759221/detail.html

Why didnt they got the insanity route. I think she is totally insane.

[lorettalockhorn]

We've been talking about Casey's reaction to the discovery of Caylee's remains. Here's what the defense thinks of her being videotaped.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18759221/detail.html

Crime Library to the rescue!!!!!!!!1

http://i33.tinypic.com/1418shh.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

I think that Casey may go with the " I was sexually abused" defense in this case and link it to a " post partum" defense to get off. imo

She suddenly developed PPD when Caylee was two+ years old? Don't think that's going to fly.

[mu8shark]

I'm only on page seventeen and he's already made a laughingstock of himself. So I'm guessing that it wasn't the psychic, the sick daughter, or Hoover who told him not to call 911. LMAO But 11/15 sure does tie into the date "a month ago" that Cindy mentioned to detectives on 12/20. I'm beginning to see where Casey got her lying and downright evil traits.Okay I just finished reading the interview and what a boob. I just don't believe the psychic is the only one who led him there. Also, I am kind of intrigued because he says at the end of interview someone gave him contrary instructions not to call 911 but he specifically says it was not anyone in the Anthony family and all of a sudden he is worried about privilege. That could only be Jose Baez or someone on the defense team because as an experienced PI and I use that term loosely he knows that Cindy and George or Lee or the psychic would have no privilege, the only one whose conversation could be privileged is Jose or someone on the defense team. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

WFTV has requested it be made available. Also, this time, I don't think she's acting. She wasn't aware that anyone was watching her or that she was being videotaped. She was reacting to all the evidence that she dumped along with the body, being found.

Gator Yes she knew that whole "Oh she is at the mall, was seen at the airport, blah, blah story was if you will excuse the pun, dead.. No more avenues that it was possible Caylee was alive and she could get off that way and she knew what she dumped there, tape from the house, trash bags she got from the house, the laundry bag, all of it.

[Tamarrow]

You know what just confuses me, the duct tape. If she used chloroform and she had done this before the Caylee would be use to it a bit. Why the flippin' duct tape? Now, if she injected Caylee with something I could see it. No noise from Caylee when she was injected and no noise as she died. But then, why the chloroform searches? Was she "not smart" enough to not be able to get the chloroform made? (I could see that as a problem) This gets deeper all the time. I think the "end story" will shock us and be really ugly..

Hi,
I have been thinking about the duct tape too. I was thinking she would do something to make little caylee sleep while she was partying, be it chloroform or by other means. (since she didnt have anyone to babysit) She used the duct tape to keep her quite just in case Caylee woke up. This time she gave her too much causing her death. She then stuffed her in bags in the trunk. I think she started out with 1 bag and when the smell grew she added more.
She wanted her party life with her new boyfriend and friends. In reading the texts with Anthony they hadnt been able to see each other for a long period of time. (3 weeks I think). Maybe this was the catalist that started it. Because after Caylee was gone what did she do? Party and spend time with her boyfriend.


Just a couple of thoughts :shrug:

[SuzDuJour]

It's hard to stop rolling my eyes whenever someone suggests that Casey's defense ought to be insanity. She does not - DOES NOT - meet the LEGAL definition of insanity, even if she is mentally ill.

Think of it this way... Would Casey have killed Caylee, in whatever way she did, if someone was in the room standing next to her. Nope. She wouldn't have. Because she KNEW WHAT SHE WAS DOING WAS WRONG. She took great pains to cover up the murder. Because she knew what she was doing was wrong.

See? Not knowing the difference between right and wrong is a legal defense. Killing your baby and hiding it cuz you're jealous or abused or sick and tired of her is not.

Suz (lawyer's daughter)

[mu8shark]

I think that Casey may go with the " I was sexually abused" defense in this case and link it to a " post partum" defense to get off. imoBut she has to confess to use this defense, they can't go with, she is innocent and did not do it , but if you believe she did, believe it was post partum. And being sexually abused which would be hard to prove does not excuse you in the guilt or innocent phase. It could get a juror to be sympathetic in the penalty phase but not in the guilt phase. Also I am willing to bet that they will have trouble getting an expert to say she had post partum almost three years after her delivery, sounds like junk science to me.

[mu8shark]

Defense says it was cruel to tape her without her knowing?! How cruel was it that she put @#%&* duct tape over her daughters mouth while killing her, and left her dead in the trunk for days. Pffftt.

Speaking of the duct tape, we are not being told something here. If there are no fingerprints, some kind of fibers from cloth gloves would be on there. If they were latex or rubber gloves, that tape would have trace of that. No way, no how, to leave traces of NOTHING.

So, what is it? They are keeping something real quiet.Has it been confirmed that there were absolutely no fingerprints? All I heard was George, Cindy and Lee's not on tape. Where is the actual confirmation that Caseys were absolutey not on there? It makes the source for People magazine and Leonards source look like a liar.

[mu8shark]

Why didnt they got the insanity route. I think she is totally insane.To do that she has to say Yes I did it but I am crazy and the legal defintion of insanity is very tough to secure a not guilty. You have to prove your client had no idea it was wrong to kill that child. The lying nanny story completely negates that. There is just no way to use the insanity defense. It could help her in the penalty phase but I don't see it as way to get her off. Keep in mind in the US it works in about 1 per cent or a little bit less of the cases.

[mu8shark]

Hi,
I have been thinking about the duct tape too. I was thinking she would do something to make little caylee sleep while she was partying, be it chloroform or by other means. (since she didnt have anyone to babysit) She used the duct tape to keep her quite just in case Caylee woke up. This time she gave her too much causing her death. She then stuffed her in bags in the trunk. I think she started out with 1 bag and when the smell grew she added more.
She wanted her party life with her new boyfriend and friends. In reading the texts with Anthony they hadnt been able to see each other for a long period of time. (3 weeks I think). Maybe this was the catalist that started it. Because after Caylee was gone what did she do? Party and spend time with her boyfriend.


Just a couple of thoughts :shrug:My cousin and I discussed this very issue last night at length and I am kind of baffled because at first I thought being Casey she was too lazy to sit there and do the job. She wanted to put a washcloth or something with chloroform on it and she used the tape to secure so she could go in the other room and eat and watch tv and other stuff while she was dying. I know that sounds crass but I can accuse this girl of nothing less. But here is the rub if that is the case wouldn't there be fibers from the washcloth or even part of the washcloth at the scene ? I mean fabric would not just melt away would it? My cousin said what if it was a paper towel of some type or something thin, water, the elements etc might completely destroy it and carry it away. Nonetheless I am still confused about why she used duct tape. Also I am curious about that syringe, What would happen if you injected chloroform? Would that cause death? I know this sounds dumb but..... I just wonder if the syringe is unrelated or not,.

[mu8shark]

I have been thinking about that tatoo. Let me set up a scenario for you because I don't have children . I can use this as a frame of reference. On another board someone reamed me for using this reference because dogs are not kids but here goes..... I adore my two dogs , they are part of my family. If one of them was taken or got loose and I could not find them and lets just say I could not tell anyone for some absurd reason., I would be so full of anxiety and depressed and worried. I mean lets just say I accept that Casey could not tell anyone for arguments sake (I don't) wouldn't she just be a bag of horrible negative emotions. I would be. I would be wondering were my dogs hungry or hurt or abused, would I see them again? Now cut to two weeks after they are missing . I would go out and get a Beautiful Life, tattoo??????? How does that compute? No matter what you are trying to hide or keep to yourself your inner emotions would not be or should not be Woo hoo time to get a Beautiful Life tattoo. And I think this may be one of the things that a jury will not be able to understand. After all most of us, child or dog missing would be thinking at that point Life sucks. And it will be the little things that get Casey, stuff like this

[mu8shark]

NG is getting to where she disgusts me more and more. She exagerates everything and twists it to her point of view. Did y'all notice that she never mentions the "03" on the opposite page when talking about the diary? She was unbelievably rude to the woman prosecutor on her show last night who tried to explain the defenses possible objections to that reaction tape coming in, she talked over her, belittled her and I really wanted to hear her explanations and answer . I mean I was yelling at the tv. I just can't stand Nancy anymore. She needs to just interview herself because then we would not have to put up with her rudeness. I used to love Gretas coverage of this case, but now when she covers it she has incredibly bad info.

[Tamarrow]

I have been thinking about that tatoo. Let me set up a scenario for you because I don't have children . I can use this as a frame of reference. On another board someone reamed me for using this reference because dogs are not kids but here goes..... I adore my two dogs , they are part of my family. If one of them was taken or got loose and I could not find them and lets just say I could not tell anyone for some absurd reason., I would be so full of anxiety and depressed and worried. I mean lets just say I accept that Casey could not tell anyone for arguments sake (I don't) wouldn't she just be a bag of horrible negative emotions. I would be. I would be wondering were my dogs hungry or hurt or abused, would I see them again? Now cut to two weeks after they are missing . I would go out and get a Beautiful Life, tattoo??????? How does that compute? No matter what you are trying to hide or keep to yourself your inner emotions would not be or should not be Woo hoo time to get a Beautiful Life tattoo. And I think this may be one of the things that a jury will not be able to understand. After all most of us, child or dog missing would be thinking at that point Life sucks. And it will be the little things that get Casey, stuff like this


I have to agree with you. But we are about talking Casey, at first I think there was a sense of "Oh my what did I do?" But then she is a very self centerd person.
This girls thought process is not like normal peoples. After she hid the body in the trunk, then came the I'm going to let my hair down and do things I haven't been allowed to do for 2 1/2 years. And what better way to celebrate than get a new tattoo. I really think she had a since of a burden lifted off her shoulders. Until she had to start answering questions.

[mu8shark]

I also want to know what they were gonna do - move the body where it wouldn't be found? I still think it is too big a coincidence that Roy Krunk found the body in almost the same spot. We have all learned there is rarely a coincidence in a criminal case.

Cindy is in this coverup up to her eyeballs. Until the body was found, she did everything she could to keep LE looking in other directions. It is all about saving Casey. What about Caylee, whom she claimed to love so much? Well if you are saying it is too coincidental that D Casey went to search and poke around where Kronk found the body, I agree, because something else sent him there besides the psychic. But I read some of the dumps on Kronk and the other meter readers who were with him and I think he is totally legitimate. I don't think anyone tipped Kronk off to where the body was. Can you imagine how destructive that would be to the case if Kronk called the police and said.Lee Anthony or Cindy Anthony or the investigator of Baez's office told me to look there?? It would really be bad,bad news to tell a stranger to go look there and so far no connection to the Anthonys. I think in August he got curious and called the police until they came out and when they did and told him he was wasting their time , he got fed up. Also he does say he stopped looking because right after that the media was reporting police were mighty interested , really almost obsessed with the pings by the airport. Only when he got reassigned did he bother to go recheck. It makes sense to me.

[mu8shark]

I have to agree with you. But we are about talking Casey, at first I think there was a sense of "Oh my what did I do?" But then she is a very self centerd person.
This girls thought process is not like normal peoples. After she hid the body in the trunk, then came the I'm going to let my hair down and do things I haven't been allowed to do for 2 1/2 years. And what better way to celebrate than get a new tattoo. I really think she had a since of a burden lifted off her shoulders. Until she had to start answering questions.Exactly getting that tattoo does not point to innocence . There is no good explanation for that tattoo at that point in time.

[Tamarrow]

Exactly getting that tattoo does not point to innocence . There is no good explanation for that tattoo at that point in time.

I also think that "Beautiful Life" has nothing to do with Caylee. It's the new life she is having without her. (or was until she got caught)

[wind149]

WTF! Bozo is now claiming it is cruel to have taped her moment of realization?? But apparently it was not cruel to murder her child in cold blood?? That Baez, he is such a moron, hello, the jail is allowed to tape anything they want anytime they want, there are no sacred places in the pokey!!! And I am sooo glad they taped it and what pleases me if you call it that, is her reaction and they have an iron clad documentation, she freaked and cried out for a happy pill!! Was it a "ZANNY WHAMMY"??? She knew damm well even though not one soul had confirmed it was indeed C, and she knew at that moment she was F****D!!! No one else knew for sure but we all know it had to be her, she is found three blocks away from her home, who else could it be?? I think at that moment she knew that she was never gonna hit the Fusion Bar again for a little more crotch dancing. That the Nanny thing was not ever gonna work, and that she could no longer spin her web of lies, she was caught in that web and the Orange County Sheriff's snared her reaction and I can't wait till they release that tape, I hope it can be uploaded, I want a copy of that!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I just finished reading the interview and what a boob. I just don't believe the psychic is the only one who led him there. Also, I am kind of intrigued because he says at the end of interview someone gave him contrary instructions not to call 911 but he specifically says it was not anyone in the Anthony family and all of a sudden he is worried about privilege. That could only be Jose Baez or someone on the defense team because as an experienced PI and I use that term loosely he knows that Cindy and George or Lee or the psychic would have no privilege, the only one whose conversation could be privileged is Jose or someone on the defense team. :shrug:

That's what I figure. Even though Dick Casey wasn't working for Baez at the time of his search (and how amazing is it that she called while he was on his way out the door!), he may have been referring back to when he did work for Baez, and Baez's instruction not to call 911 if/when Caylee was found.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi,
I have been thinking about the duct tape too. I was thinking she would do something to make little caylee sleep while she was partying, be it chloroform or by other means. (since she didnt have anyone to babysit) She used the duct tape to keep her quite just in case Caylee woke up. This time she gave her too much causing her death. She then stuffed her in bags in the trunk. I think she started out with 1 bag and when the smell grew she added more.
She wanted her party life with her new boyfriend and friends. In reading the texts with Anthony they hadnt been able to see each other for a long period of time. (3 weeks I think). Maybe this was the catalist that started it. Because after Caylee was gone what did she do? Party and spend time with her boyfriend.


Just a couple of thoughts :shrug:

:seeya: Hey Tamarrow, I think you hit the nail on the head with Casey's needs and wants being what motivates Casey. Period.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been thinking about that tatoo. Let me set up a scenario for you because I don't have children . I can use this as a frame of reference. On another board someone reamed me for using this reference because dogs are not kids but here goes..... I adore my two dogs , they are part of my family. If one of them was taken or got loose and I could not find them and lets just say I could not tell anyone for some absurd reason., I would be so full of anxiety and depressed and worried. I mean lets just say I accept that Casey could not tell anyone for arguments sake (I don't) wouldn't she just be a bag of horrible negative emotions. I would be. I would be wondering were my dogs hungry or hurt or abused, would I see them again? Now cut to two weeks after they are missing . I would go out and get a Beautiful Life, tattoo??????? How does that compute? No matter what you are trying to hide or keep to yourself your inner emotions would not be or should not be Woo hoo time to get a Beautiful Life tattoo. And I think this may be one of the things that a jury will not be able to understand. After all most of us, child or dog missing would be thinking at that point Life sucks. And it will be the little things that get Casey, stuff like this

I think the tattoo and the timing of the tattoo are very likely to totally inflame the jury.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well if you are saying it is too coincidental that D Casey went to search and poke around where Kronk found the body, I agree, because something else sent him there besides the psychic. But I read some of the dumps on Kronk and the other meter readers who were with him and I think he is totally legitimate. I don't think anyone tipped Kronk off to where the body was. Can you imagine how destructive that would be to the case if Kronk called the police and said.Lee Anthony or Cindy Anthony or the investigator of Baez's office told me to look there?? It would really be bad,bad news to tell a stranger to go look there and so far no connection to the Anthonys. I think in August he got curious and called the police until they came out and when they did and told him he was wasting their time , he got fed up. Also he does say he stopped looking because right after that the media was reporting police were mighty interested , really almost obsessed with the pings by the airport. Only when he got reassigned did he bother to go recheck. It makes sense to me.

The only problem that I have with Kronk is the statement about the skull rolling out of the bag. Didn't happen if we are to believe that there was flora growth on the skull and that it had been in situ for some time when discovered. (Don't remember where I read that about the skull's position. Anyone?)

[lorettalockhorn]

Right, Mu ~ my point exactly. Why not say Casey's name too? But, why not not announce her prints WERE on it. I'm just trying to see where they are going with this.

MOO No source is going to confirm either, because I believe this is something that is going to be used as part of the evidence that will give them DP, and it won't come out till they needed to absolutely show their hand.....

Methinks they are tying this all together nicely with this newest video of her hyperventilating.....putting all their ducks in a row, they are
http://i43.tinypic.com/2wqfvuu.jpg Uh Huh! Gotta Love It!

FLOVE the ducks in a row! There are still 20+ discs that have not been released. Casey's fingerprint information could be something that is being held back for leverage, or the tests may not be completed.

[mu8shark]

The only problem that I have with Kronk is the statement about the skull rolling out of the bag. Didn't happen if we are to believe that there was flora growth on the skull and that it had been in situ for some time when discovered. (Don't remember where I read that about the skull's position. Anyone?) Well in the documents it says it could not have fallen out but was under the bag and he could have thought that when he poked it with his stick it fell out when in reality it was underneath it. It could be that or a misstatement on his part. Either way if the defense thinks they are going to be able to pin something on this guy, they better have more than that as a fallback position. It also would not be to their benefit to try and connect this daisy chain because it would have to eventually come back to an Anthony which would be eventually an Anthony would knew the spot from Casey.

[mu8shark]

FLOVE the ducks in a row! There are still 20+ discs that have not been released. Casey's fingerprint information could be something that is being held back for leverage, or the tests may not be completed.I just read a book about a month back about a case where there were no latent fingerprints but another kind of fingerprints that had to be found by more sophisticated equipment and it took some time to reveal them. I can't recall off the top of my head what the name of the fingerprints were called but they said in the beginning there were no latent fingerprints and later found another type of fingerprints. It was case of a girl who was an exotic dancer who was an aspiring actress in NY and she was killed by a boyfriend. It was one of those CBS 48 hours books.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well in the documents it says it could not have fallen out but was under the bag and he could have thought that when he poked it with his stick it fell out when in reality it was underneath it. It could be that or a misstatement on his part. Either way if the defense thinks they are going to be able to pin something on this guy, they better have more than that as a fallback position. It also would not be to their benefit to try and connect this daisy chain because it would have to eventually come back to an Anthony which would be eventually an Anthony would knew the spot from Casey.

Completely agree!

[mu8shark]

I have a question for anybody would read the whole D Casey interview. Cindy says that she sent someone out there prior to Dec 11 to look at that area and there was no body. Yet nowhere in D Caseys interview does he admit it was him, in fact he points to Kiomaries interview and the psychic and denies Cindy sent him out there. Do you think he is lying and Cindy told him to go there or do you think she is lying to get Casey off? Or do you think she sent someone else out there and if so , who?

[Gatordog]

Thanks Mojo, Do you think there are other tapes of bones being found in a different area that the Liar watch and did not have the same reaction that she did for the one she knew was Caylee. If they do then they can show the Jury the difference in her reactions and BOZO won't be able to us the upset mother thing. I sure hope they have others.

When Padilla was searching the Little Econ River in Jay Blanchard Park, she watched some of that. She was just sitting there watching the report and then the corrections officers made her go to her "dorm" room. I am sure they must have cameras in that room.

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