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javahog
02-10-2009, 11:34 PM
"Its been so lon since I've seen you and held you" Doesn't sound proper for a sister and certainly not a todler niece. More like a lover. IMO
...its too weird, right? I know Casey claimed incest, but she lies. I know that OCSO took it seriously enough to ask the FBI to check, but maybe they see rumors online. I know that the pages with those results were not released by the doc dump, but none of the dna was released, right?
Why do things keep happening that make me wonder about this weird concept?
lorettalockhorn
02-10-2009, 11:37 PM
Feeling sad tonight. After the memorial I posted, but then later I just started crying over the whole mess...better now, but just sad. You know what I mean.
gator, if you're not sleeping yet, hugs to you for your thoughfulness today at the site. For You:http://i42.tinypic.com/20l4so.jpg Thank You
Danager ~ So good to see you back!
Twinners ~ be careful with those forks m'dear!
Justice ~ I like holy rollers. I really do :)
Wind ~ You're back too! Yea!
Loretta ~ awww. Mwah.
Snoop ~ feel better and eat your chicken soup
Sharlock ~ where are you?
LHD ~ :)
FDinlaw ~:)
java, suz, susie, oh, you all know your names... here: To all of you......http://i40.tinypic.com/vd1xde.jpg
nighty nite all..... you make your mothers proud!!! LOL!
Justice for Caylee. May you rest in peace with the angels. for YOU :rose:
Sweetie pie dreams! That cry was good for you; that Gone Too Soon video is what got me.
javahog
02-10-2009, 11:38 PM
Feeling sad tonight. After the memorial I posted, but then later I just started crying over the whole mess...better now, but just sad. You know what I mean.
gator, if you're not sleeping yet, hugs to you for your thoughfulness today at the site. For You:http://i42.tinypic.com/20l4so.jpg Thank You
Danager ~ So good to see you back!
Twinners ~ be careful with those forks m'dear!
Justice ~ I like holy rollers. I really do :)
Wind ~ You're back too! Yea!
Loretta ~ awww. Mwah.
Snoop ~ feel better and eat your chicken soup
Sharlock ~ where are you?
LHD ~ :)
FDinlaw ~:)
java, suz, susie, oh, you all know your names... here: To all of you......http://i40.tinypic.com/vd1xde.jpg
nighty nite all..... you make your mothers proud!!! LOL!
Justice for Caylee. May you rest in peace with the angels. for YOU :rose:
Night, OS, you're sweet!
Remember, the mess has nothing to do with Caylee anymore.
SuzDuJour
02-10-2009, 11:42 PM
...its too weird, right? I know Casey claimed incest, but she lies. I know that OCSO took it seriously enough to ask the FBI to check, but maybe they see rumors online. I know that the pages with those results were not released by the doc dump, but none of the dna was released, right?
Why do things keep happening that make me wonder about this weird concept?
Here's the thing...imagine you're a 20 something girl and your brother has been molesting you (or worse) since you were 14 and you got pregnant. And your family knows but keeps it real quiet. How are you going to feel about that child and the fact that YOU have to care for her and your brother gets to go about his business...I'm just saying it give Casey a pretty HUGE reason for not being able to bond with the child and to have thoughts of doing harm to that child...and maybe to most of her family. I always thought it was odd to look up neck-breaking and household weapons in order to kill a baby...I wonder if she was going to take out the entire crew.
I don't feel sorry for her and she deserves all she gets for what she did to Caylee...but if the rest of the family played a part in what we're all wondering - they deserve it, too.
SuzDuJour
02-10-2009, 11:46 PM
Thanks for the link, just listened to it. Very hard to understand, and the woman doesn't seem to be able to tell the operator that Haleigh has blonde hair. Or know how tall she is or how much she weighs. Gee, you'd think the Dad would make the call if he knows that. But he's busy freaking out and threatening to kill whoever if he finds them first. But since he's not out looking, that's not going to happen.
Becoming more and more jaded every day. Not only to parents not know how to protect children, they don't seem to know what they look like. :confused:
The 911 operator asks the girl to put him on a few times, when he finally does get on the first thing he says is I WAS AT WORK. She also insisted the door was always locked.
beachbum
02-10-2009, 11:46 PM
Second that! They don't have enough asbestos gloves in that jail to handle the leter I would write.:mad::flamemad:
We should all send Casey a letter --from this board. Tell her what we think of her "story"--tell her we aint buyin' it! She wont be thinking to highly of herself when she is finished reading them. :read: After all her daddy suggested it.
I've tried to find the service today on video but cant. The one at Fox only goes 1/4 of the way and shuts down. Any one
know where else it might be posted?
javahog
02-10-2009, 11:46 PM
Here's the thing...imagine you're a 20 something girl and your brother has been molesting you (or worse) since you were 14 and you got pregnant. And your family knows but keeps it real quiet. How are you going to feel about that child and the fact that YOU have to care for her and your brother gets to go about his business...I'm just saying it give Casey a pretty HUGE reason for not being able to bond with the child and to have thoughts of doing harm to that child...and maybe to most of her family. I always thought it was odd to look up neck-breaking and household weapons in order to kill a baby...I wonder if she was going to take out the entire crew.
I don't feel sorry for her and she deserves all she gets for what she did to Caylee...but if the rest of the family played a part in what we're all wondering - they deserve it, too.
It would explain a lot, but...it just seems so SVU, you know?
I do think that the identity of the father could be important...
javahog
02-10-2009, 11:51 PM
We should all send Casey a letter --from this board. Tell her what we think of her "story"--tell her we aint buyin' it! She wont be thinking to highly of herself when she is finished reading them. :read: After all her daddy suggested it.
I've tried to find the service today on video but cant. The one at Fox only goes 1/4 of the way and shuts down. Any one
know where else it might be posted?
I can't say I'm not tempted, but my stamps are reserved for the Porkulus Package...of course, we could just copy off the pages and send 'em in, she'd get the drift...poor guy must think there is a quiet supportive majority, huh?
SuzDuJour
02-10-2009, 11:54 PM
It would explain a lot, but...it just seems so SVU, you know?...
LOL Java! It's pretty 'out there'...but then again, Lee standing up there repeating I love you CMA over and over was waaaay over the top.
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 12:01 AM
Feeling sad tonight. After the memorial I posted, but then later I just started crying over the whole mess...better now, but just sad. You know what I mean.
gator, if you're not sleeping yet, hugs to you for your thoughfulness today at the site. For You:http://i42.tinypic.com/20l4so.jpg Thank You
Danager ~ So good to see you back!
Twinners ~ be careful with those forks m'dear!
Justice ~ I like holy rollers. I really do :)
Wind ~ You're back too! Yea!
Loretta ~ awww. Mwah.
Snoop ~ feel better and eat your chicken soup
Sharlock ~ where are you?
LHD ~ :)
FDinlaw ~:)
java, suz, susie, oh, you all know your names... here: To all of you......http://i40.tinypic.com/vd1xde.jpg
nighty nite all..... you make your mothers proud!!! LOL!
Justice for Caylee. May you rest in peace with the angels. for YOU :rose:
This was a sad occasion today. Cindy and George are quite dramatic and disfunctional, but I cannot imagine being in their shoes, and I can never understand how a mother can kill her child. I thought Lee was pathetic today too.
Goodnight and hugs to you too. :) For Caylee :rose:
beachbum
02-11-2009, 12:02 AM
The song that gets me the most from Caylee's service is "If I had only known"
:rose:
Has anyone seen anything about Padilla and what was going on over at his neck of the woods?
answer myself..............http://www.wftv.com/news/18681957/detail.html not much said though.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/ LP talks real! (yesterday)
Didn't watch the Padilla thing, but did watch the 4 parts of the service. Okay, so I figured out how to fast forward--and skipped a couple of speeches, but watched most of it.
I see Cindy's cure for the cold--her bottled water. Guess the service was kind of long. And suppose her speech was, and most speakers do have water available. But, what I noticed most of all was George. Very coherent. Didn't even see him nod off during any of the service, so guess the th's who figured how he could not answer (or understand) questions in a deposition, and how he would probably slur his speech and fall asleep were wrong.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 12:42 AM
The 911 operator asks the girl to put him on a few times, when he finally does get on the first thing he says is I WAS AT WORK. She also insisted the door was always locked.
I was confused by the timeline. Does he actually get off work at 3am? Is it him who discovered that the girl was missing? I thought that I read that the GF found that she was missing. :confused: I also thought I read that the door had been left unlocked, but it looks like there have been some updates since I first read about it this morning. Even more :confused:.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 12:44 AM
We should all send Casey a letter --from this board. Tell her what we think of her "story"--tell her we aint buyin' it! She wont be thinking to highly of herself when she is finished reading them. :read: After all her daddy suggested it.
I've tried to find the service today on video but cant. The one at Fox only goes 1/4 of the way and shuts down. Any one
know where else it might be posted?
bb, I actually thought about writing and saying that I was praying for her to tell the truth. tehee
If you look in the news update threads, there are links to all four parts of the video from one of the stations.
Wait, here ya go:
http://www.wftv.com/video/18681483/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18681777/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18682111/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18682515/index.html
I really think the whole family is nuts.
Sorry to say that. Obviously, they are grieving and my heart goes out to them.
It was a beautiful ceremony under the circumstances. I thought all the singers were fantastic. The music that was chosen to honor Caylee was perfect. And thankfully, no protesters.
But as soon as Lee starts saying "CMA ... blah blah CMA" I knew that the gobbledy-gook was beginning.
George certainly seemed the most clear-headed ... ironic given his recent suicide attempt.
Lee and Cindy had some weird body language. They were sitting next to each other, but seemed kinda distant.
I don't know what is wrong, but there is definitely something weird.
Cindy's words about Caylee were beautiful, but I couldn't escape the feeling that Cindy is just not living in reality. She kept saying, "We need to stop the negativity."
Um, Cindy. Occasional negativity is ok. It's denial that is so corrosive to the soul.
I'm not a touchy feely person--don't even ATTEMPT to give me a back or neck rub!!!! I think if someone stood there and rubbed up and down my back or my arm while I was trying to give a speech (even tho I know she was portraying "support") I'd deck that someone!!! Now, to put your hand on my back and just leave it there, I could probably tolerate, but the rubbing would be a distraction, for sure!!!! It is kind of odd--all those interviews and jail videos where they rarely touch @ all, even in comfort, then today have her rubbing their backs.....maybe they are on their way to healing?
were banned? Isn't that nice! Since Cindy accused Jesse Grund of kidnapping Caylee? The Anthony's and their entitlement is amazing to me. I have never seen a more classless group of people in my life.
Maybe it's just a matter of sematics, and maybe in FL "public" means something different than KS. But, a "public" gathering of any sort is just that--open to the public. Now, if you are going to start eliminating the folks you DON'T want to attend a "public" gathering, you INVITE those you DO wish to attend, and call it a PRIVATE gathering. IMO
yeah I watched on my computer here at work--came in just like tv so she watched.
I was @ work, and don't have access--was too dogone busy anyway!!! And, if I had been @ home, wouldn't have had a CLUE how to get live feed. Anyway, it's all on tv channels websites so, even if she DIDN'T watch it live, she could watch it any time Baez brings the lap top in. Heck, even if she DID watch it live, she could re-watch it anytime. Especially on the site I watched, it was in 4 parts, but the family speeches had a video, and the Caylee home video did, too. So, she could just relive the warm fuzzies from her family w/o having to sit thru the accolades to Caylee--with hardly any mention of her.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 01:04 AM
Maybe it's just a matter of sematics, and maybe in FL "public" means something different than KS. But, a "public" gathering of any sort is just that--open to the public. Now, if you are going to start eliminating the folks you DON'T want to attend a "public" gathering, you INVITE those you DO wish to attend, and call it a PRIVATE gathering. IMO
Yes! Jennifer D'Onofrio told NG tonight that security had three pages of people, including some media, who were not allowed to attend (and photographs). And I'd be willing to bet that many of those people have better reputations that Dennis Milford and Dominic Casey (who was apparently in charge of security).
I'm happy to say that I have no knowledge of the attorney interview room. :tongue:
Gator
LOL, you and me, too, Gator!!!!
Can't wait to see how the seeds grow @ Suburban. I want to add my thanks for all the things you have done, the seeds, the flowers, the balloons. You're a good man, Callahan, as we say in these parts.
Hi everyone,
My new laptop came today and I was surprised it allowed me to log on as danagher. I thought I'd have to change my nic because it's a new computer with a different id number. I couldn't get on as danagher on poppa's desk top so, but anyway it's good to have a working keyboard and I'm sure you know my cawffee is far away from it. Go ahead, I can take it! :punch: CAWFFEE:no:
Just wanted to say, I'm baaaaahaaack!
I missed you. Time to catch up. :read:
Welcome back!!! Just as well you can still get on as danagher--with my feeble mind, I'd probably forget half the time that nawny IS danagher!!! Besides, this way you don't lose post count!!!! ;)
In one of the clips that have been shown on the news of the Liar going into Baez' office, she is seen holding a huge white photo album type binder.
Gator
Isn't that the one labeled "media?" I figured she was spending her 6 hours a day in the office clipping articles about her from the newspapers. That would be helpful to Baez, you know, in his quest for COV. Of course, the defense should keep a binder full of all the times (pc w/reporters, talk shows, etc) of BAEZ especially, and even Conway and Luka and all THEIR forays into the media world to make sure this case was ON THE NEWS every single dadblasted day.
If there wasn't anything "new" for the reporters, they had to get out there and bring up garbage like, my client has not done anything wrong but we're asking for immunity. Or, Casey wants to go to the funeral--that got a good week of lawyer interviews--and come to find out, she (nor Baez on her behalf) had REQUESTED her to go. Another couple of weeks to cover the "the family wants to meet w/her privately in jail--no video--to grieve as a family"--to find out she nor Baez had requested THAT, either.
Then, of course, the whining about not getting in the crime scene before or while investigators did, just to say, don't want to now--when they COULD. Nope, let's wait and make a big deal about needing to LATER, when there isn't anything new for the reporters to report on. PFFFFFTTTTTT!!!!!!
Browneyes, I saw part of George's eulogy again and he mentions the relatives and says that he wished his Dad could be there. So I just don't know about any of the Pleseas. Mr. Al Plesea is the only one I would recognize, and I didn't see him. Next to G&C were Lee & Mallory (I guess) on one side and someone about G's&C's age on the other. :shrug:
I was wondering who the fellow next to George was--maybe brother Rick? And, behind them were some elderly folk--AND Dennis Milstead. I'm pretty sure he is the one with his hand on Lee's shoulder after they had returned to their seats. I didn't see Mr Pleasa, either. Cindy was going to visit her MIL during her vacation, nothing was ever said about her FIL. Maybe George's dad is dead? I don't recall any mention one way or the other, but---haven't read every thing ever written, either.
Yeah, we really need a barf icon for Lee's "Ode to CMA."
LP says he thinks Lee is definitely referring to Casey ...
I understand a family sticking together, but this is ridiculous.
"This family is united."
"CMA ... (kissing bracelet)"
"CMA ... It's been so long since I've seen you and hugged you."
Yuck!
That was about the time I figured out how the heck to fast forward on these videos. Was hoping I wouldn't mess the whole thing up, but with that performance, I was willing to have to restart or even give up!!!!
If that well thought out play on the bracelet kissing wasn't totally planned, I'll eat him.
I was watching the video and he's pounding the podium, and all of a sudden, it looked like he'd gone over the edge and started biting his wrist!!! Then I remembered I read posts earlier about his kissing a bracelet, I was getting ready to turn off the computer and hide in a closet!!! ABSOLUTELY WEIRD!!!!
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 01:41 AM
I was wondering who the fellow next to George was--maybe brother Rick? And, behind them were some elderly folk--AND Dennis Milstead. I'm pretty sure he is the one with his hand on Lee's shoulder after they had returned to their seats. I didn't see Mr Pleasa, either. Cindy was going to visit her MIL during her vacation, nothing was ever said about her FIL. Maybe George's dad is dead? I don't recall any mention one way or the other, but---haven't read every thing ever written, either.
I think the obituary that Cindy wrote listed both of George's parents as suvivors. Lee and Ruth? Maybe the other greatgrandparents were there and sat where they wouldn't be on camera?
I don't believe Lee ever even said Caylee's name...I found it beyond odd and was I completely upset when he appeared to have asked for the 'killer' to let their conscience let them come forward...HUH?? Off the charts if you ask me.
Below is an unrelated link to the TV interview of the missing 5 year old girl's father. Although his grief is obvious and his tears are real, I found an Uh-OH moment when he said he'd give his life to have her life back (not to have her back, but her LIFE back). I'm thinking we don't even know if her life is gone at this point. Then another awkward moment when he collapses to the ground in grief, but then pops back up to add a comment. Then again, I remember Marc Lunsford and he had nothing to do with Jessica's kidnapping. (Feel free to move all this to an appropriate thread if it doesn't belong on this discussion).
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html
I suppose there is a thread somewhere. I could only get thru about 1/2 of that video.
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 01:47 AM
Hey guys been working a lot but still following the case every night just not on comp as much. A few comments on this public memorial. I think that not allowing Padilla and the Grunds not to come and others who were perhaps not buddy buddy with the Anthonys is just kind of petty. I understand not wanting the protesters because those guys were idiots, but..... I agree a public memorial should be a public memorial not a way to get back at some people. Also of course Casey did not want a public memorial for Caylee, we can all see where she is coming from. The little girl in death is getting more attention that I am sure Casey ever intended as she could not stand not being the center of attention in life., Remember she broke up with Jesse because he loved Caylee too much. Also way too much talk about the liar at the memorial . Lee's little coded thing was just weird. Why play these little word games and not use his sisters name like an adult? It was just absurd and strange and for them to be praising her is just well. I don't think the Anthonys are ever quite going to get it. I understand it would not be the venue for them to come and talk about whether they believed she was guilty or innocent but it appears part of the memorial was used to drum up support for Casey in my opinion. It would have been better not to mention her, as nasty as I sound about that. But this thing with CMA with Lee is just weird. I can't even find the words quite for it. I missed ya guys and wonder if the document dump that is coming will show us anything more. Last week I heard there was to be another one. Any news on that?
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 01:52 AM
I agree that was weird. Lee Anthony for some reason looks really creppy with a shaved head.Glad someone else noticed this. He looks like one of those Nazi skinhead types. LOL.
I had the chance to hear Lee's words to CMA again on NG tonight. They seemed freakier the second time I heard them. One of NG's callers said she noticed Lee was only wearing one button on his shirt today - the green one for Casey. George and Cindy were wearing three of them, one for Caylee, one for missing children and one for Casey. Based on that alone, I think his comments were for Casey, not Caylee. Given what he said, I might not think that's such a bad thing!
Loved what Nancy said about unconditional love from a mother to her child. I don't always understand Cindy's actions or what comes out of her mouth, but, as a mother myself, I feel like I can understand what is in her heart. I try to keep what must be in her heart in my head when I'm watching and listening to her. It's the only way I can watch or listen to her anymore.
I thought what they said about George maybe being able to save Casey's life if the death penalty goes back on the table was interesting. I completely agree with him. For whatever reason, George is someone I can empathize with without even trying. I think that's because I think he knows and accepts the truth of the situation, yet he isn't one bit shy about saying he misses and loves Casey. He doesn't have to deny or look for an "alternative answer" to what happened to Caylee. He accepts it and loves Casey anyway. That, IMO, is what makes his words seem so genuine and heartfelt.
I noticed Lee had only one little button while EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE else had a BIG Caylee button!!! Until you mentioned it, I did not realize it was a CASEY button, but now, I do remember Cindy pointing out all her "jewelry" and when she touched the green button, she said "Casey." Now, EVEN IF you are in complete support of your sister, you'd think you'd wear a button for the person the memorial is FOR!!!! I'm sure there's some good explanation--maybe they ran out of buttons and one of the speakers or singers wouldn't get one, so Lee gallantly offered HIS. It just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't have a Caylee button, even if he didn't wear one for all missing children. IMO
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 01:55 AM
Just re-read that faux hoity toity monstrosity of a eulogy that Cindy wrote, and noticed that the donations are going to the other church where they had their vigils:
The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.
You know, it disgusts me that they would continue to fund that Milford cretin's scam, but Tim Miller spent tens of thousands of dollars looking for Caylee to bring her home dead or alive. Was Miller on the list of those not of the "purest of hearts"? TM's heart is purer than all those vultures' hearts combined. Sorry if that sounds like a left-handed compliment.
And what is up with the foundation business?
Because of this outpouring of compassion, the family will continue to honor Caylee's memory by establishing the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation. The foundation's purpose will be to continue to generate awareness for missing children and to establish programs to assist in the well-being of those children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times.
Hasn't that already been done? Isn't that the foundation that Lee allegedly ripped off?
These people reek.
Oh, guess what? I actually found someone who doesn't think Casey killed Caylee. Guess what else? They were sitting at my dinner table this evening. We were sitting there talking about our day and I mentioned that I'd watched Caylee's memorial, which led this person to say they thought Casey was guilty of a lot of things, but killing her daughter wasn't one of them. I sat there, shocked beyond words, and thought, did I invite one of the Anthony's to dinner without realizing it? :eek: Then, I realized I hadn't. Those words had come out of my own father's mouth! :eek:
I could NOT believe it. I still can't. How could anyone not think she did it? I asked him why he didn't. He babbled on something about thinking she had help, someone who took care of it for her. I then went on a big tangent about how all the evidence points to her doing it and so forth. He then said something about me not knowing everything, how I'm not a detective and some other mumbo jumbo, which I, in true child fashion, didn't pay one bit of attention to. ;) When all was said and done, I really did have the feeling her looks affected his opinion of her. That's bad, IMO, because if it colors his opinion, it may color some of the juror's opinions too.
Needless to say, I'm not inviting him back for dinner tomorrow evening. I love him, but I just can't have that level of stress and anger in my life on a regular basis. At least not when I have a fork in my hand. :biggrin:
I asked my 18 y/o DS and his 18 y/o friend to look @ a pic of Casey. It was the one with the blue shirt that the buttons were about to pop, and a skimpy denim skirt. Their eyes popped out!!! They were ga-ga!!!! They asked who she is, and I said, a girl who killed her little girl. That turned them off pretty quickly. She was good lookin', but not so much after they heard that.
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 02:10 AM
Just re-read that faux hoity toity monstrosity of a eulogy that Cindy wrote, and noticed that the donations are going to the other church where they had their vigils:
The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.
You know, it disgusts me that they would continue to fund that Milford cretin's scam, but Tim Miller spent tens of thousands of dollars looking for Caylee to bring her home dead or alive. Was Miller on the list of those not of the "purest of hearts"? TM's heart is purer than all those vultures' hearts combined. Sorry if that sounds like a left-handed compliment.
And what is up with the foundation business?
Because of this outpouring of compassion, the family will continue to honor Caylee's memory by establishing the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation. The foundation's purpose will be to continue to generate awareness for missing children and to establish programs to assist in the well-being of those children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times.
Hasn't that already been done? Isn't that the foundation that Lee allegedly ripped off?
These people reek. Kid Finders oh yuck. They seemed so disreputable to me. I hope this money is tightly controlled. Am beginning to wonder if Lee used initials so if he gets too much criticism he can say "I was not talking about Casey, it was meant for Caylee."
Native Alien
02-11-2009, 02:10 AM
Everyone should read the Nancy Grace transcript for last night's show. Leonard Padilla provides some information on the CMA thing. I am not saying that it is the truth, only that there is something there.
I can understand Bozo not wanting Casey to watch the memorial where she could be seen by someone else. Her reaction or maybe lack of reaction could be used in court.
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 02:14 AM
Maybe this has already been discussed if so I apologize but was Cindys brother Rick there or was he on the do not allow list I wonder?
Native Alien
02-11-2009, 02:26 AM
Maybe this has already been discussed if so I apologize but was Cindys brother Rick there or was he on the do not allow list I wonder?
I don't remember where I read or heard it but he wasn't there and the so called " banned list" was three pages long. I will have to see if I can find a link to a reputable source for that statement
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 02:28 AM
Kid Finders oh yuck. They seemed so disreputable to me. I hope this money is tightly controlled. Am beginning to wonder if Lee used initials so if he gets too much criticism he can say "I was not talking about Casey, it was meant for Caylee."
Good to see you back!
Yeah, like slobbering kisses on Caylee's going to set our minds at ease. What in the world possessed him to behave in such a bizarre and macabre way? There is not way that that wouldn't be misinterpreted. (Cindy is CMA too. Ick.)
ATTN: George, share your meds with Lee. STAT
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 02:30 AM
I don't remember where I read or heard it but he wasn't there and the so called " banned list" was three pages long. I will have to see if I can find a link to a reputable source for that statement
Jennifer D'Onofrio told either NG or JVM that tonight (Tuesday).
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 02:36 AM
You know I just read about the other service where about a 100 including the banned ones gathered and it said that there was no mention really of anyone else but Caylee. Nobody slobbered on about the 'compassionate Casey' and did cutesy things with initials and said Casey deserved love and support and there were not tons of songs and speeches and back rubbing and forgive me for saying this but perhaps that one was a bit more dignified and on topic than the big overblown public one. I have been thinking about the public memorial and the more I think about it, the more I think it was ruined by how Caseys name kept coming up and also there was just something too staged about it. I am not saying the Anthonys are not grieving but there is a part of me that thinks some of it was done to drum up support for the liar. And for Cindy to refer to Caseys compassion makes me want to puke. There is just something kind of sickening about mentioning Caseys pain at that memorial. WFTV also said there were a lot fewer people than they expected at the Public memorial. I may be wrong but I think I read a few hundred and not a thousand as tv said.
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 02:38 AM
CMA is also initials for one of Cindys favorite things CONTROLLING MEDIA ATTENTION!
Native Alien
02-11-2009, 02:45 AM
One of the bloggers that was there said that they heard the number of 1100 bantered about in the crowd. Someone else posted that there were an awful lot of empty seats.
I personally think that Lee is cracking up. I look for him to become a blubbering idiot before this over. I think that he knows that Casey is guilty and yet he can't tell his mother that.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 03:10 AM
CMA is also initials for one of Cindys favorite things CONTROLLING MEDIA ATTENTION!
And Cover My Ass
mu8shark
02-11-2009, 03:12 AM
And Cover My Ass Yeah another one of Cindys favorite things to do. LOL. Nite to all! Hope to pop on a little more often as I get some time off Friday and don't have to work as late the rest of the week. I heard last week another doc dump expected. :seeya:
Just the way he was overcome, dropped to the ground, then "popped" back up again to make another comment. And how he said, "I was at work trying to make an honest living."
Who but a crook makes it a point to say they are "making an honest living"????
My hubby is a psychiatrist. He definitely thinks something was "whacked" (professional terminology) with the distraught father. He seemed a little "too distraught."
One thing I noticed, and I was really looking closely is that, for all the sobbing that was going on, I did not see TEARS falling from the eyes. I looked for them on the cheeks, etc, too and just did not see them. Could have been the lighting or something, maybe? The making an honest living thing was kind of....different. I didn't make it all the way thru the tape, just too weird for me to follow.
Not sure who was who in the clip I watched, but I just noticed this at a story on myfoxorlando: Merchant did say that investigators are identifying and talking to registered sex offenders in the area.
Authorities say at least 25 registered sex offenders live near the missing girl's home.
And these people don't lock the effing door. :cuss:
Not sure when Casey's next court date is. Baez has been saying that he expects to file a motion for change of venue soon.
BTW One of the attorneys on NG, Raymond Dzudicek(sp?) says that there should be another attorney at the helm; that Baez isn't qualified and has made too many missteps.
I tho't the girlfriend said on the 911 tape that the door had been locked.
I'd think Baez would wait til closer to an actual trial date to file the COV. After all, he doesn't want the new location (if granted) to be known too soon, as THAT city would be a focus and the potential jurors there would become more aware of the case.
Casey (since the A's don't have a say-so) should pick up that Baez isn't exactly the best attorney for the job, altho I am pretty sure he assures her he is. Even posters on message boards have been saying for MONTHS that a different attorney should be the lead on this case, that Baez doesn't always act as tho he knows what he should be doing, and how.
Thanks for the reply Loretta!
Did you hear the 911 call on this link?
http://www.news4jax.com/news/18680086/detail.html
Sounds like the fellow has a heck of a temper!!! I can understand a parent being beside him/herself to find a child missing, but the dispatcher DOES need to get some basic info. And, she could weigh 40 to 60 pounds? That is quite a span. I do hope they find her soon--alive.
I was confused by the timeline. Does he actually get off work at 3am? Is it him who discovered that the girl was missing? I thought that I read that the GF found that she was missing. :confused: I also thought I read that the door had been left unlocked, but it looks like there have been some updates since I first read about it this morning. Even more :confused:.
Don't know the type of work he does, but there are places with weird shifts. @ one time, some of our staff chose the 3am to 3pm (and vice versa) shift over the more traditional 7 to 7 one. And, when I worked 3-11, if there was a lot going on, it might be 3am before I got off. I tho't it sounded like the everyone was in the bed and when the gf went to the bathroom, the child was gone when she got back.
Yes! Jennifer D'Onofrio told NG tonight that security had three pages of people, including some media, who were not allowed to attend (and photographs). And I'd be willing to bet that many of those people have better reputations that Dennis Milford and Dominic Casey (who was apparently in charge of security).
I was thinking the other day....there are to be no purses, cameras, phones, etc. So, all these people come to the church--are they expected to have their drivers licenses, ID's @ the ready? Cuz the security force isn't going to know all these people by sight. Maybe Tim Miller and LP and local reporters, but all the others? That means, I guess, that everyone needed to wear something with a pocket to have the ID in. It would be awkward to sit thru the service holding your driver's license--and too easily to drop something like that. And, what about the car keys? Surely they would be locking the cars, what with all the purses and phones having to be left in them. Keys can be a weapon pretty easily, to say nothing of the noise of 1000 sets of keys jingling in pockets.
THREE pages? I'd think, even if they went thru the police reports to get names of protesters, there wouldn't be THREE pages, and, not all the protesters were involved in actions that got their names in police reports.
Just re-read that faux hoity toity monstrosity of a eulogy that Cindy wrote, and noticed that the donations are going to the other church where they had their vigils:
The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.
You know, it disgusts me that they would continue to fund that Milford cretin's scam, but Tim Miller spent tens of thousands of dollars looking for Caylee to bring her home dead or alive. Was Miller on the list of those not of the "purest of hearts"? TM's heart is purer than all those vultures' hearts combined. Sorry if that sounds like a left-handed compliment.
And what is up with the foundation business?
Because of this outpouring of compassion, the family will continue to honor Caylee's memory by establishing the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation. The foundation's purpose will be to continue to generate awareness for missing children and to establish programs to assist in the well-being of those children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times.
Hasn't that already been done? Isn't that the foundation that Lee allegedly ripped off?
These people reek.
Even if they had to disband (not the right word, but you get what I mean) the original foundation, you would think a DIFFERENT one would have a different name. Like I said before, I'd be more likely to donate to TES or a major, well-known (altho I don't know the name, lol) missing childrens organization IN CAYLEE's NAME than I would be to donate to a fund that had ANYTHING to do w/the A's. Not donating to KFN whether in Caylee's name of not. I can't see donating to paint non-working phone numbers on mobile bill boards.
Maybe this has already been discussed if so I apologize but was Cindys brother Rick there or was he on the do not allow list I wonder?
George was thanking family for their support, he didn't name his or Cindy's siblings by name, but I think he mentioned brothers and sisters. There were older people behind them, which I was wondering might be the parents. But, not having a clue what any of them look like, it's hard to tell. I was wondering who the fellow between George and Brad Conway was-might that have been a brother?
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the link, just listened to it. Very hard to understand, and the woman doesn't seem to be able to tell the operator that Haleigh has blonde hair. Or know how tall she is or how much she weighs. Gee, you'd think the Dad would make the call if he knows that. But he's busy freaking out and threatening to kill whoever if he finds them first. But since he's not out looking, that's not going to happen.
Becoming more and more jaded every day. Not only to parents not know how to protect children, they don't seem to know what they look like. :confused:
Fox 35 reported this morning that the girlfriend is 17 years old.
Gator
sharlock
02-11-2009, 09:32 AM
Originally Posted by old_soul http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9163460#post9163460)
Feeling sad tonight. After the memorial I posted, but then later I just started crying over the whole mess...better now, but just sad. You know what I mean.
gator, if you're not sleeping yet, hugs to you for your thoughfulness today at the site. For You:http://i42.tinypic.com/20l4so.jpg Thank You
Danager ~ So good to see you back!
Twinners ~ be careful with those forks m'dear!
Justice ~ I like holy rollers. I really do :)
Wind ~ You're back too! Yea!
Loretta ~ awww. Mwah.
Snoop ~ feel better and eat your chicken soup
Sharlock ~ where are you?
LHD ~ :)
FDinlaw ~:)
java, suz, susie, oh, you all know your names... here: To all of you......http://i40.tinypic.com/vd1xde.jpg
nighty nite all..... you make your mothers proud!!! LOL!
Justice for Caylee. May you rest in peace with the angels. for YOU :rose:
I am here Old Soul, I hope that you felt better after having a cry, this case is so draining I think releasing of emotions should be mandatory to maintain sanity! Hugs to you!:rose:
There is another rude pic of Casey making the rounds and it came from theat Toilet Bowl site we were discussing the other night. I had thought this site was connected to Baez but I am not so sure now.
WARNING very graphic!!
http://www.toiletbowlmedia.com/images/caseynaked001.jpg
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 09:33 AM
Here's the thing...imagine you're a 20 something girl and your brother has been molesting you (or worse) since you were 14 and you got pregnant. And your family knows but keeps it real quiet. How are you going to feel about that child and the fact that YOU have to care for her and your brother gets to go about his business...I'm just saying it give Casey a pretty HUGE reason for not being able to bond with the child and to have thoughts of doing harm to that child...and maybe to most of her family. I always thought it was odd to look up neck-breaking and household weapons in order to kill a baby...I wonder if she was going to take out the entire crew.
I don't feel sorry for her and she deserves all she gets for what she did to Caylee...but if the rest of the family played a part in what we're all wondering - they deserve it, too.
This whole thing makes my head hurt thinking about it.
My childhood best friend had two older sisters and two older brothers. The oldest brother held a grudge against his mother. Turns out to get even with the mother, he was raping the middle sister since she was 12 years old to about 17. At 17 she tried to kill herself, (she could have been pregnant but that part I was never told). She may have done it to protect her younger sister, my friend. The parents found out about the whole thing and covered it up. The brother who was married and had a son, had to go to counseling and he was never permitted to any gatherings if the sister was there and they never left him alone with any girls. Families cover up, they don't punish. If you would have seen them together, you would have thought you were in the Father Knows Best show, not the Twilight Zone.
Gator
Zingo
02-11-2009, 09:36 AM
I'm still trying to wrest the image of Lee smacking on that bracelet out of my mind. :eek:
Something just seems very wrong with his awkward tribute to "CMA" ...
And Cindy relating her joy at discovering her unwed daughter was pregnant. :confused:
I have two young daughters, and believe me, finding out one of them was pregnant without being married, would not be JOYFUL. "Somber" or "bittersweet" might be the words I'd use. I'd be supportive, but recognize how this would change their lives forever, and force them to grow up faster than we'd want.
And I would love my grandchildren, but I would NEVER refer to one of them as my "child" -- unless I had legally adopted them.
If I were a trained psychologist, I think that memorial would yield a case study of family dynamics and dysfunction. From Cindy's three-children reference, and invoking murderous Casey's compassion, to the three-page "banned list."
Poor George ... he wants people to write to Casey. But I think he knows the truth. He says even Casey "deserves prayer."
And as a Christian, I realize that Jesus did forgive murderers.
Obviously, I'm not Jesus. :rolleyes:
deacon
02-11-2009, 09:37 AM
I still cant wrap my brain around the squeeking,sloppy, lip smacking by Lee. That was bizzare to say the least. If Lee did not want anyone to intepret the use of intials incorrectly-then why use them? Hmmmm... I thought/think its just plain disrespectful to refer to the deceased by initials. Could he not have ironed his shirt for the occasion? Perhaps it was the lighting but sure looked rumpled to me. Stuff like that bugs me-can ya tell :hat: I am surprised at how well G spoke-not talkin content here. He looked a mess in the pews and thought he did well to speak. I am still digesting what all the Ant's said. I did release some balloons and that made me feel better. Glad to see folks are back here. Gator thanks for going by the Memorial.
MOO
George spoke well. His son. not so good. Where has all that emotion been in times before this? My opinion? Very well rehearsed. I could imagine a script being handed to him, cry here, kiss bracelet here, you know what I mean. It was a beautiful service until then.
One thing I would remind cindy of, Caylee is NOT an angel. If she is so religious, she would have known that. Angels and humans are two different types of beings and people do not "turn into angels" when they go to Heaven. Sorry, they don't. The other thing IMO and only IMO, Caylee knows exactly what casey did to her and that casey meant to kill her. Ain't that scarey? It was no mistake. If it were a mistake, she would have said so by now. Cruel, cold hearted murder. A murder to prove she was "in charge" not cindy.
Edited to add: If you read the Bible, read in the New Testament what Jesus said about children and how much he loved them. It is full of statements and things He did specifically for children who were sick or just wanted to be around Him. He also had some really harsh things to say about people who hurt them.
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 09:38 AM
One of the bloggers that was there said that they heard the number of 1100 bantered about in the crowd. Someone else posted that there were an awful lot of empty seats.
I personally think that Lee is cracking up. I look for him to become a blubbering idiot before this over. I think that he knows that Casey is guilty and yet he can't tell his mother that.
From what I saw on TV of the parking lot and a report on a news channel, it was closer to 500 at the church. Where NG got 2,000 people from is beyond me. Maybe she was counting the people at the jail since it is so close. I have come to the conclusion that you can't trust anything that NG says. She is still harping about protestors and making it worse than it was. She says they were there to fight with George. They were there to harass the Liar and George came out of the house to confront them. I am not excusing the protestors, only that they weren't there to confront the family, only the Liar. For her to say there were thousands at the church is ridiculous.
I wish NG would stick to getting the facts of the cases and not give us her interpretation of things or what her twins had for breakfast.
Gator
Native Alien
02-11-2009, 09:39 AM
I tho't the girlfriend said on the 911 tape that the door had been locked.
The girlfriend who is 17 had woken up and went to the bathroom and when she got back the little girl was gone. She stated that she had locked the doors and that the back door wide open and there was a brick on the floor.
The father was crying and there were tears, and different people react to things in different ways. Chances are good that LE doesn't want the family searching yet. They want to clear them all first.
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 09:42 AM
I was thinking the other day....there are to be no purses, cameras, phones, etc. So, all these people come to the church--are they expected to have their drivers licenses, ID's @ the ready? Cuz the security force isn't going to know all these people by sight. Maybe Tim Miller and LP and local reporters, but all the others? That means, I guess, that everyone needed to wear something with a pocket to have the ID in. It would be awkward to sit thru the service holding your driver's license--and too easily to drop something like that. And, what about the car keys? Surely they would be locking the cars, what with all the purses and phones having to be left in them. Keys can be a weapon pretty easily, to say nothing of the noise of 1000 sets of keys jingling in pockets.
THREE pages? I'd think, even if they went thru the police reports to get names of protesters, there wouldn't be THREE pages, and, not all the protesters were involved in actions that got their names in police reports.
Jessica showed the pages on the news and there were about 20 names but there were pictures of those people on the pages which brought it to three pages. Nancy Grace was one of the people on the list.
deacon
02-11-2009, 09:44 AM
I'm still trying to wrest the image of Lee smacking on that bracelet out of my mind. :eek:
Something just seems very wrong with his awkward tribute to "CMA" ...
And Cindy relating her joy at discovering her unwed daughter was pregnant. :confused:
I have two young daughters, and believe me, finding out one of them was pregnant without being married, would not be JOYFUL. "Somber" or "bittersweet" might be the words I'd use. I'd be supportive, but recognize how this would change their lives forever, and force them to grow up faster than we'd want.
And I would love my grandchildren, but I would NEVER refer to one of them as my "child" -- unless I had legally adopted them.
If I were a trained psychologist, I think that memorial would yield a case study of family dynamics and dysfunction. From Cindy's three-children reference, and invoking murderous Casey's compassion, to the three-page "banned list."
Poor George ... he wants people to write to Casey. But I think he knows the truth. He says even Casey "deserves prayer."
And as a Christian, I realize that Jesus did forgive murderers.
Obviously, I'm not Jesus. :rolleyes:
I am not a grandparent........ yet. But as much as I love my son, and as much as I would love a grandchild, I really doubt I would refer to a grandchild and my child. Two totally different relationships.
Parents raise children, Grandparents spoil Grandchildren:D
Edited to add: Having a weird morning. Jesus still forgives murders. BUT, they have to ask for forgiveness. One important part of the asking is admitting you have done wrong. I don't see that in her. She seems just as self righteous as ever. BTW, even when forgiven, they were held to account for what they had done on earth.
sharlock
02-11-2009, 09:47 AM
I still cant wrap my brain around the squeeking,sloppy, lip smacking by Lee. That was bizzare to say the least. If Lee did not want anyone to intepret the use of intials incorrectly-then why use them? Hmmmm... I thought/think its just plain disrespectful to refer to the deceased by initials. Could he not have ironed his shirt for the occasion? Perhaps it was the lighting but sure looked rumpled to me. Stuff like that bugs me-can ya tell :hat: I am surprised at how well G spoke-not talkin content here. He looked a mess in the pews and thought he did well to speak. I am still digesting what all the Ant's said. I did release some balloons and that made me feel better. Glad to see folks are back here. Gator thanks for going by the Memorial.
MOO
Ithought he did well too! I have a weird idea about Cindy's speech and this idea comes from seeing how one of my family tends to deal with our own litlle sociopath. The idea behind it is to maintain the higher ground while still making your point. It allows fro deniability and stops others from deciding that she is just as bad as the the socio lol! She prob is but still she is only diabolical the other is a socio and there is no comparison really.
Here goes.
I felt Cindy's speech was somewhat directed towards Casey. I think Cindy made a huge point to Casey today. I am wondering about the first song I heard, the "So glad you are a child of mine" one. I can't decide if it was for Casey or Caylee. I initially thought Caylee and it was another dig about Cindy raising her like her own but it had something in the lyrics about I know that even if you can't be kind you will be honest, and that made me wonder if it wasn't directed to Casey in sort of a black humour kind of way. I just don't know.
#You will not get me to look bad by baiting me and you have not ruined me no matter what you hoped. Notice I can stand here and smile and see I have found friends old and new and also added strength in God. I am here to let you know that we stand united as a family and you have not torn us apart and the best bit is that I know you know exactly what I am saying to you (just in case I will throw in 2 points about holding Caylee first and having 3 children) but everyone else will believe that I am here defending you. I think Cindy realises that to show her honest feelings for Casey openly now would cause trouble as Casey does have stuff on them and she could still be spiteful with it(not to mention she doesn't want people thinking she raised a murderer). However I think that Cindy sees herself as having the upperhand more now because even if Casey knows how she feels (which is angry enough to send her the half of an outfit that she thinks Casey killed her daughter in and fugly unmatching pants) as long as Cindy shows outward support Casey is better off not starting an all out war. Not to mention she is behind bars so what's she gonna do about it? Hit her.
If I am right (which is probably highly unlikely lol) then it will be interesting to see what happens next and if Jose can keep his little ward in control of herself. If not Casey could very well slit her own throat just out of anger and spite and a determination not to let Cindy get away with anything.
Zingo
02-11-2009, 09:48 AM
The gum? It's gotta go. :no: Please Somebody send them some manners.
I can't take it.
Night detectives. ;)
Yeah, I noticed the gum chewing also. Gum is just so low class. Why on God's green earth would you chew gum at your granddaughter's funeral, even while you're speaking??? :confused: I can see maybe breath mints. Those are always appropriate at church, and funerals, even weddings.
The only time gum makes sense is if you're playing baseball, IMO.
Zingo
02-11-2009, 09:57 AM
I am not a grandparent........ yet. But as much as I love my son, and as much as I would love a grandchild, I really doubt I would refer to a grandchild and my child. Two totally different relationships.
Parents raise children, Grandparents spoil Grandchildren:D
Edited to add: Having a weird morning. Jesus still forgives murders. BUT, they have to ask for forgiveness. One important part of the asking is admitting you have done wrong. I don't see that in her. She seems just as self righteous as ever. BTW, even when forgiven, they were held to account for what they had done on earth.
Good point, Deacon. Jesus forgives the penitant. Casey is not the least bit penitant. And I don't think her family is either. I sensed a lot of "entitlement" in the memorial yesterday, not a lot of true humility, except for George.
What I would have liked to have seen yesterday ...
-- more thanking of volunteers and the community
-- no references to Casey
-- more asking God for forgiveness if they had "failed" Caylee
-- some acknowledgement of their feelings of guilt
Yeah, I know it's hoping too much that they might say:
"We feel so awful that ultimately we didn't protect Caylee from her sad fate. We feel like we failed her. And we pray the Lord will forgive us. Children need protection."
The way it was, if you knew nothing of the case, you might assume this child died of natural causes.
sharlock
02-11-2009, 10:12 AM
Good to see you back!
Yeah, like slobbering kisses on Caylee's going to set our minds at ease. What in the world possessed him to behave in such a bizarre and macabre way? There is not way that that wouldn't be misinterpreted. (Cindy is CMA too. Ick.)
ATTN: George, share your meds with Lee. STAT
Why not he has obviously shared with Cindy why not lee too?:D
You know I just read about the other service where about a 100 including the banned ones gathered and it said that there was no mention really of anyone else but Caylee. Nobody slobbered on about the 'compassionate Casey' and did cutesy things with initials and said Casey deserved love and support and there were not tons of songs and speeches and back rubbing and forgive me for saying this but perhaps that one was a bit more dignified and on topic than the big overblown public one. I have been thinking about the public memorial and the more I think about it, the more I think it was ruined by how Caseys name kept coming up and also there was just something too staged about it. I am not saying the Anthonys are not grieving but there is a part of me that thinks some of it was done to drum up support for the liar. And for Cindy to refer to Caseys compassion makes me want to puke. There is just something kind of sickening about mentioning Caseys pain at that memorial. WFTV also said there were a lot fewer people than they expected at the Public memorial. I may be wrong but I think I read a few hundred and not a thousand as tv said.
I'm wondering, how did people know they were on the banned list? Did someone contact each of the people listed in the three pages and tell them? I didn't hear of any commotion @ the entry of the church, so assume that either none of those listed came, or their rejection was handled discreetly by both the security and the banned person. The media might not have been IN the church, but I'm betting there were SOME reporters outside, @ the ready to get on tape a scoop about anyone being turned away. Cuz you KNOW some people were expecting (hoping for) some ruckus on this issue.
It would be interesting to know how many didn't attend because they were notified they were not welcome, how many didn't go because they tho't there would be a chance they wouldn't be let in? I know they didn't show the entire church, but even in the center area where there were cameras, there were a fair number of empty seats in the back.
Fox 35 reported this morning that the girlfriend is 17 years old.
Gator
I am having trouble figuring out who all was there. Hopefully, there will be more that starts from the beginning and gets it straight. I tho't--the girlfriend and a 3 y/o boy and the 5 y/o girl. Then, one article mentions a 17 y/o (I think, nephew, maybe cousin) male and the others. And a mention of a 2 y/o belonging to the girlfriend. Then, it seems the first count was correct, and the 17 y/o was actually the girlfriend. In the video I saw, must have been his mom or someone, I didn't see any 17 y/o, nor anyone close to his age that could be the little girl's mom. Unless she is older, or just looks older.
deacon
02-11-2009, 10:22 AM
I'm wondering, how did people know they were on the banned list? Did someone contact each of the people listed in the three pages and tell them? I didn't hear of any commotion @ the entry of the church, so assume that either none of those listed came, or their rejection was handled discreetly by both the security and the banned person. The media might not have been IN the church, but I'm betting there were SOME reporters outside, @ the ready to get on tape a scoop about anyone being turned away. Cuz you KNOW some people were expecting (hoping for) some ruckus on this issue.
It would be interesting to know how many didn't attend because they were notified they were not welcome, how many didn't go because they tho't there would be a chance they wouldn't be let in? I know they didn't show the entire church, but even in the center area where there were cameras, there were a fair number of empty seats in the back.
Remember, that church holds close to 5,000 people. With only 1,000 there it would look somewhat empty. Or at least, not so full.
Jessica showed the pages on the news and there were about 20 names but there were pictures of those people on the pages which brought it to three pages. Nancy Grace was one of the people on the list.
AHA....NOT three pages of NAMES of banned people. But with the pictures to IDENTIFY those people banned, it took 3 pages. Why make it seem so dramatic? That's as bad as Cindy's dramatics. If Jessica had the pages, she could count and say---[B]20 people were on the banned list[B]. Thanks for the info.
Twinners
02-11-2009, 10:29 AM
I asked my 18 y/o DS and his 18 y/o friend to look @ a pic of Casey. It was the one with the blue shirt that the buttons were about to pop, and a skimpy denim skirt. Their eyes popped out!!! They were ga-ga!!!! They asked who she is, and I said, a girl who killed her little girl. That turned them off pretty quickly. She was good lookin', but not so much after they heard that.
That's the way it should be Amy! My granny always said that being pretty on the outside doesn't do a person a bit of good if they are ugly on the inside. IMO, Casey is definitely ugly on the inside. I just hope the jurors can see that.
NMurphy02
02-11-2009, 10:32 AM
is why I have a hard time feeling sorry for any of these nutjobs. They do and say the strangest things. As much as Leonard Padilla irks me, he was right this was the Cindy show. And Lee is weird. And while I feel the most for George, SEND CASEY LETTERS??? WTH? These people are just plain weird. And let me add that the Rocha's were thrust into a media spotlight and they handled it with so much more class. Even Scott Peterson's family weren't as annoying as the Anthony's are. And that's saying a lot.
Twinners
02-11-2009, 10:38 AM
Yeah, I noticed the gum chewing also. Gum is just so low class. Why on God's green earth would you chew gum at your granddaughter's funeral, even while you're speaking??? :confused: I can see maybe breath mints. Those are always appropriate at church, and funerals, even weddings.
The only time gum makes sense is if you're playing baseball, IMO.
I'm normally against chewing gum in situations like that one, but I'm giving George a pass on it. I think his nerves and/or his medication may have caused his mouth to be unusually dry yesterday. The gum probably helped.
Twinners
02-11-2009, 10:47 AM
I have to sign off for a bit. Big hugs to everyone! I hope you all have a wonderful afternoon! :seeya:
ETA: Before I forget, I saw something dripping off the missing 5-year old's father's nose in the video. I hope it was tears! :eek:
...its too weird, right? I know Casey claimed incest, but she lies. I know that OCSO took it seriously enough to ask the FBI to check, but maybe they see rumors online. I know that the pages with those results were not released by the doc dump, but none of the dna was released, right?
Why do things keep happening that make me wonder about this weird concept?
I know exactly what you mean. I don't honestly think he's the dad but when he comes out like yesterday and starts blathering on about "CMA" and kissing his wrists, I seriously got the hibbie jibbies. That family is sick. Every last one of them. I had to turn it off the first time they mentioned Casey. She should have never been brought up at all. The whole day should have been ONLY about CAYLEE. You know, the only one of the bunch is the actual victim.
browneyes106
02-11-2009, 11:15 AM
Not sure who was who in the clip I watched, but I just noticed this at a story on myfoxorlando: Merchant did say that investigators are identifying and talking to registered sex offenders in the area.
Authorities say at least 25 registered sex offenders live near the missing girl's home.
And these people don't lock the effing door. :cuss:
Not sure when Casey's next court date is. Baez has been saying that he expects to file a motion for change of venue soon.
BTW One of the attorneys on NG, Raymond Dzudicek(sp?) says that there should be another attorney at the helm; that Baez isn't qualified and has made too many missteps.
I kind of remember either Raymond or one of the other lawyers saying that Baez isn't qualified. It has been mentioned on other news shows and articles. Based Baez's background he doesn't seem qualified or have enough experience. Baez was a criminologist prior to going to law school. The law school he attended is a bottom tier school that is affiliated with a Catholic university. I looked up info on the St Thomas Law School in Miami and there are several articles saying that a majority of the students had low LSAT scores. I think probably a lot of people who go to that school go there because they can't get into higher ranked state or private law schools. The school has been known to have adminstration problems and low percent of bar passage. The school has been sued for various reasons over the years. There are a lot of school ABA accredited that are poorly run and basically keep running because there are people who don't have the GPA or LSAT score to attend higher ranking schools. My cousin who hopes to become a sports agent is currently attending Ave Maria School of Law in Michigan which has a similar reputation as St. Thomas University. Also according to several sites it took Baez eight years to pass the bar. I read on another site that Baez lied about trial victories in the 90's. According to the site Baez was simply an assistant to a public defender and he basically just observed these trials. I think Baez maybe got into law for different reasons but in reality he isn't cut out for it. I think after Casey's trial and her convicton. Baez will either get out of law or he will never take a murder case again. If you read the "Where are they now?" articles about defense lawyers associated with high profile cases. You find that a lot of them get out of law pracitice or they focus on other pracitice areas. The lawyers who defended the Texas cadets Diane Zamora and David Graham today don't work on murder cases. My prediction is once Casey is convicted Baez's career is tanked.
javahog
02-11-2009, 11:16 AM
I'm still trying to wrest the image of Lee smacking on that bracelet out of my mind. :eek:
Something just seems very wrong with his awkward tribute to "CMA" ...
And Cindy relating her joy at discovering her unwed daughter was pregnant. :confused:
I have two young daughters, and believe me, finding out one of them was pregnant without being married, would not be JOYFUL. "Somber" or "bittersweet" might be the words I'd use. I'd be supportive, but recognize how this would change their lives forever, and force them to grow up faster than we'd want.
And I would love my grandchildren, but I would NEVER refer to one of them as my "child" -- unless I had legally adopted them.
If I were a trained psychologist, I think that memorial would yield a case study of family dynamics and dysfunction. From Cindy's three-children reference, and invoking murderous Casey's compassion, to the three-page "banned list."
Poor George ... he wants people to write to Casey. But I think he knows the truth. He says even Casey "deserves prayer."
And as a Christian, I realize that Jesus did forgive murderers.
Obviously, I'm not Jesus. :rolleyes:
I agree George knows. When he said for people not to judge, he wasn't referring to Casey, he was referring to himself saying he missed her.
As for forgiveness, I can forgive someone for killing me (if asked for forgiveness), but not for killing someone else. If we were all required to forgive crimes against OTHERS there would be no justice. That's not Biblical.
javahog
02-11-2009, 11:22 AM
Yeah, I noticed the gum chewing also. Gum is just so low class. Why on God's green earth would you chew gum at your granddaughter's funeral, even while you're speaking??? :confused: I can see maybe breath mints. Those are always appropriate at church, and funerals, even weddings.
The only time gum makes sense is if you're playing baseball, IMO.
I think George's gum was a nervous habit...did you notice that every time Cindy was going off about how wonderful Casey is he chewed faster and more intensely, lol!
Just re-read that faux hoity toity monstrosity of a eulogy that Cindy wrote, and noticed that the donations are going to the other church where they had their vigils:
The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.
You know, it disgusts me that they would continue to fund that Milford cretin's scam, but Tim Miller spent tens of thousands of dollars looking for Caylee to bring her home dead or alive. Was Miller on the list of those not of the "purest of hearts"? TM's heart is purer than all those vultures' hearts combined. Sorry if that sounds like a left-handed compliment.
And what is up with the foundation business?
Because of this outpouring of compassion, the family will continue to honor Caylee's memory by establishing the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation. The foundation's purpose will be to continue to generate awareness for missing children and to establish programs to assist in the well-being of those children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times.
Hasn't that already been done? Isn't that the foundation that Lee allegedly ripped off?
These people reek.
I was wondering that myself. After the poor man almost went broke looking for their granddaughter, they don't bother to list him as a beneficiary?! That is some evil shiz. Tim Miller looks for lost children his foundation needs that money. I can't even think of the words to express my disgust for Cindy.
I have to sign off for a bit. Big hugs to everyone! I hope you all have a wonderful afternoon! :seeya:
ETA: Before I forget, I saw something dripping off the missing 5-year old's father's nose in the video. I hope it was tears! :eek:
Raven has started a thread for her on the missing and found children forum:
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=292593
Too bad we can't move the posts relating to her over there. @ least, move w/o losing the Caylee info.
javahog
02-11-2009, 11:33 AM
From what i recall Browneyes Bozo was just not qualified to do a death penalty case. He did not meet the requirement standard. I also remember reading he had retained someone on the team if needed. He does strike me as a low end bottom feeder. MOO
I am not a Casey fan by any means...but she should have a lawyer who knows what he's doing. If for no other reason than appealable mistakes...but I do also feel that even the most heinous deserve to be protected by the law properly applied. Not have a lawyer who makes them more hated than they have managed themselves...
Didn't someone on NG last night say the state should step in and remove him from the case?
From what i recall Browneyes Bozo was just not qualified to do a death penalty case. He did not meet the requirement standard. I also remember reading he had retained someone on the team if needed. He does strike me as a low end bottom feeder. MOO
I was thinking the requirement for a capital murder was 5 years, and he has only 3--wonder if the trial is put off long enough, he will meet the 5 year requirement? But, there was also a murder trial requirement which he didn't seem to meet, either. It just seems to me that the ABA or the FL Bar should be able to step in and correct the situation BEFORE the trial, so qualifications can't be an appeal issue. If he has someone retained "if needed" he'd best get that lawyer up and running the case, IMO.
I was wondering that myself. After the poor man almost went broke looking for their granddaughter, they don't bother to list him as a beneficiary?! That is some evil shiz. Tim Miller looks for lost children his foundation needs that money. I can't even think of the words to express my disgust for Cindy.
Which is EXACTLY why my donation in Caylee's name would be going to TES. ABSOLUTELY NOT to KFN!!!!! Or any Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation established and run by the A's or anyone associated w/them or KFN. Just isn't gonna happen!!!!
javahog
02-11-2009, 11:47 AM
How come when I Google Earth Jose Baez' Kissimmee office, I get an empty field? Is that a GE quirk, or is his office there amidst the cows?
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 12:03 PM
Did anyone else notice that Lee Anthony brought his laptop and had it open when he was supposed to be eulogizing Caylee? My opinion was he wasn't reading anything, he was waiting for Jose Baez' email stating that his sister was listening on then he went on his CMA rant. And why the heck was Cindy smiling when he said that he never forgot his promise?
Gator
I'm like everyone else. When you hear that speech, you feel as if you need a shower, with bleach! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores029.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
gator
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 12:06 PM
I kind of remember either Raymond or one of the other lawyers saying that Baez isn't qualified. It has been mentioned on other news shows and articles. Based Baez's background he doesn't seem qualified or have enough experience. Baez was a criminologist prior to going to law school. The law school he attended is a bottom tier school that is affiliated with a Catholic university. I looked up info on the St Thomas Law School in Miami and there are several articles saying that a majority of the students had low LSAT scores. I think probably a lot of people who go to that school go there because they can't get into higher ranked state or private law schools. The school has been known to have adminstration problems and low percent of bar passage. The school has been sued for various reasons over the years. There are a lot of school ABA accredited that are poorly run and basically keep running because there are people who don't have the GPA or LSAT score to attend higher ranking schools. My cousin who hopes to become a sports agent is currently attending Ave Maria School of Law in Michigan which has a similar reputation as St. Thomas University. Also according to several sites it took Baez eight years to pass the bar. I read on another site that Baez lied about trial victories in the 90's. According to the site Baez was simply an assistant to a public defender and he basically just observed these trials. I think Baez maybe got into law for different reasons but in reality he isn't cut out for it. I think after Casey's trial and her convicton. Baez will either get out of law or he will never take a murder case again. If you read the "Where are they now?" articles about defense lawyers associated with high profile cases. You find that a lot of them get out of law pracitice or they focus on other pracitice areas. The lawyers who defended the Texas cadets Diane Zamora and David Graham today don't work on murder cases. My prediction is once Casey is convicted Baez's career is tanked.
When he's finished with this case, he'll probably have his own show on Telemundo or Univision. That's his goal. Judge Bozo or Judge Juan Bobo.
Gator
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 12:10 PM
How come when I Google Earth Jose Baez' Kissimmee office, I get an empty field? Is that a GE quirk, or is his office there amidst the cows?
There's more in Kissimmee than just cows. There are vultures and skunks too.
Gator
http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
javahog
02-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Did anyone else notice that Lee Anthony brought his laptop and had it open when he was supposed to be eulogizing Caylee? My opinion was he wasn't reading anything, he was waiting for Jose Baez' email stating that his sister was listening on then he went on his CMA rant. And why the heck was Cindy smiling when he said that he never forgot his promise?
Gator
I'm like everyone else. When you hear that speech, you feel as if you need a shower, with bleach! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores029.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
gator
Yeah, weird smile, I did notice it, too. Too happy he said that...
Gator, have you ever seen JB's Kissimmee office? In Google Earth and Street view I keep getting an empty lawn with a random mailbox in the middle of it...
javahog
02-11-2009, 12:16 PM
There's more in Kissimmee than just cows. There are vultures and skunks too.
Gator
http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Awwm is it the Castro Valley of Florida!?
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 12:16 PM
I tho't the girlfriend said on the 911 tape that the door had been locked.
I'd think Baez would wait til closer to an actual trial date to file the COV. After all, he doesn't want the new location (if granted) to be known too soon, as THAT city would be a focus and the potential jurors there would become more aware of the case.
Casey (since the A's don't have a say-so) should pick up that Baez isn't exactly the best attorney for the job, altho I am pretty sure he assures her he is. Even posters on message boards have been saying for MONTHS that a different attorney should be the lead on this case, that Baez doesn't always act as tho he knows what he should be doing, and how.
Yes, GF did say the door was locked during the 911 call, however the article that I read yesterday morning said that it had been left unlocked. (Thought I posted that the article had since been updated.) There is plenty of confusion in this case (at least in my mind), that might be cleared up by a timeline. So the Dad got off work and got home right when the GF got up to go to the bathroom? I guess that's why she didn't call him at work to notify him.
And just what are the laws regarding minors shacking up with adults in FL? :eek:
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 12:19 PM
I know exactly what you mean. I don't honestly think he's the dad but when he comes out like yesterday and starts blathering on about "CMA" and kissing his wrists, I seriously got the hibbie jibbies. That family is sick. Every last one of them. I had to turn it off the first time they mentioned Casey. She should have never been brought up at all. The whole day should have been ONLY about CAYLEE. You know, the only one of the bunch is the actual victim.
EXACTLY. If the Ants want to send Casey a message, they should send her a MESSAGE. Write it down, put it in a stamped envelope and mail it, or have it hand delivered. OR go to the jail and deliver it in person. But leave the public and the media and the mourners out of it.
javahog
02-11-2009, 12:22 PM
Yes, GF did say the door was locked during the 911 call, however the article that I read yesterday morning said that it had been left unlocked. (Thought I posted that the article had since been updated.) There is plenty of confusion in this case (at least in my mind), that might be cleared up by a timeline. So the Dad got off work and got home right when the GF got up to go to the bathroom? I guess that's why she didn't call him at work to notify him.
And just what are the laws regarding minors shacking up with adults in FL? :eek:
there are laws, and then there's enforcement...two very different things in our brave new world.
javahog
02-11-2009, 12:23 PM
EXACTLY. If the Ants want to send Casey a message, they should send her a MESSAGE. Write it down, put it in a stamped envelope and mail it, or have it hand delivered. OR go to the jail and deliver it in person. But leave the public and the media and the mourners out of it.
Well, like Che in Evita..." Its her funeral, too!"
javahog
02-11-2009, 12:43 PM
Its funny how many songs from Evita run through my head on this case..."oh what a circus" "and the money kept rolling in...", goodnight and thank you, whoever"...
deputydi
02-11-2009, 01:22 PM
Lee said "I will never forget what I promised you". frankly, I have a hard time picturing an uncle promising his less than 3 yr old niece anything. May just be me.
Not just you, JD. Didn't his little tribute to CMA sound like he was saying that his psycho sister confessed to him what happened to Caylee and he promised her he would keep her murderous secret? It did to me.
One2Snoop
02-11-2009, 01:23 PM
Awwm is it the Castro Valley of Florida!?
:eek: :eek:
shadydaisy
02-11-2009, 01:29 PM
Did anyone else notice that Lee Anthony brought his laptop and had it open when he was supposed to be eulogizing Caylee? My opinion was he wasn't reading anything, he was waiting for Jose Baez' email stating that his sister was listening on then he went on his CMA rant. And why the heck was Cindy smiling when he said that he never forgot his promise?
Gator
I'm like everyone else. When you hear that speech, you feel as if you need a shower, with bleach! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores029.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
gator
He could have been carrying on a conversation with Casey via IMing. At a minimum an email - too bizarre. I saw most of the service last night on tivo - which I'm thankful for, I did a lot of fast forward. I really couldn't stand to see much of it.
Thanks to you all I knew where to slow down and pay attention. Your updates yesterday were great!
Saga with Lee is not over..... something is going to come out.
deputydi
02-11-2009, 01:30 PM
George was thanking family for their support, he didn't name his or Cindy's siblings by name, but I think he mentioned brothers and sisters. There were older people behind them, which I was wondering might be the parents. But, not having a clue what any of them look like, it's hard to tell. I was wondering who the fellow between George and Brad Conway was-might that have been a brother?
Good question, but my guess is Rick was at the top of the banned list.
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 01:31 PM
Not just you, JD. Didn't his little tribute to CMA sound like he was saying that his psycho sister confessed to him what happened to Caylee and he promised her he would keep her murderous secret? It did to me.That's what I thought when he said, "I'll keep my promise to you forever." I thought he may be saying for her to confess. Seeing that family yesterday, I don't know what I really thought. :o IMO Lee needs to be questioned more thoroughly by LE.
Zingo
02-11-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm normally against chewing gum in situations like that one, but I'm giving George a pass on it. I think his nerves and/or his medication may have caused his mouth to be unusually dry yesterday. The gum probably helped.
True. I'll give George a pass because he seems the only "sane" one of the bunch. Frankly, trying to kill yourself to get away from your freak show family seems like the most sensible thing for George to have done. Can you imagine living with Cindy?
And, now I'm thinking about Lee's girlfriend ... RUN, MALLORY, RUN!
Zingo
02-11-2009, 01:39 PM
I agree George knows. When he said for people not to judge, he wasn't referring to Casey, he was referring to himself saying he missed her.
As for forgiveness, I can forgive someone for killing me (if asked for forgiveness), but not for killing someone else. If we were all required to forgive crimes against OTHERS there would be no justice. That's not Biblical.
Exactly. I recall that Jesus did say ... "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" ... He proclaimed a higher law, but didn't do away with all civic structure and legal requirements. He even said, "My kingdom is not of this world."
Casey may find forgiveness from God if she begs for it, but she, nor her family, should not expect forgiveness from society. I don't think God would expect it, as you say, because it would defeat justice.
I think all the references to faith and hope yesterday left a slightly bad taste in my mouth. It's fine and well to rely on your faith in difficult times, and to derive hope from your relationship with God.
But did anyone make ANY reference to JUSTICE for Caylee????
There is no hope or faith without justice!
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 01:43 PM
Yeah, weird smile, I did notice it, too. Too happy he said that...
Gator, have you ever seen JB's Kissimmee office? In Google Earth and Street view I keep getting an empty lawn with a random mailbox in the middle of it...
No, I have never seen it but it appears to be a new building. Could be that Google Earth has an older satellite photo.
Java - I found a Smiley for you since you are an archeologist. I couldn't wait to use it: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char168.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
browneyes106
02-11-2009, 01:44 PM
I think maybe some of Cindy's coworkers or the neighbors could have been on the banned list. I remember reading somewhere that Cindy had issues with some of the neighbors. Other people that could be banned are Casey's friends. But I doubt Ricardo, Amy or any of them would want to go to the service. I wonder if Kalani Bowles was at the service. He claims to be good friends with the Ant's.
Zingo
02-11-2009, 01:47 PM
I think maybe some of Cindy's coworkers or the neighbors could have been on the banned list. I remember reading somewhere that Cindy had issues with some of the neighbors. Other people that could be banned are Casey's friends. But I doubt Ricardo, Amy or any of them would want to go to the service. I wonder if Kalani Bowles was at the service. He claims to be good friends with the Ant's.
I think it's a real sign of dysfunction when you have so many "enemies."
Why does Cindy not get along with people?
Might be due to her controlling, manipulative ways.
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 01:48 PM
I was watching the video and he's pounding the podium, and all of a sudden, it looked like he'd gone over the edge and started biting his wrist!!! Then I remembered I read posts earlier about his kissing a bracelet, I was getting ready to turn off the computer and hide in a closet!!! ABSOLUTELY WEIRD!!!!
Your post had he laughing aloud. :D He might as well had been biting his wrist. :biggrin:
Welcome back Danagher.
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 01:50 PM
Awwm is it the Castro Valley of Florida!?
Yes, when Hurricane Andrew hit south Dade County years ago, a lot of people moved up to the Poinciana/Kissimmee area.
Gator
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 01:56 PM
I was wondering that myself. After the poor man almost went broke looking for their granddaughter, they don't bother to list him as a beneficiary?! That is some evil shiz. Tim Miller looks for lost children his foundation needs that money. I can't even think of the words to express my disgust for Cindy.
Not to mention he had to be hospitalized with bleeding ulcers. Same as Zenaida, everyone gets bleeding ulcers from this Addams Family.
Gator
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 02:04 PM
That's what I thought when he said, "I'll keep my promise to you forever." I thought he may be saying for her to confess. Seeing that family yesterday, I don't know what I really thought. :o IMO Lee needs to be questioned more thoroughly by LE.
There must have been some heavy duty whispering going on in that bedroom on June 15th between the liar and her brother.
What I would like to know, if anyone is a lawyer out there (Where is Peachallie when we need her?) is can Jose transport messages to people from the Liar? In other words, if he can his computer with him yesterday and the Liar was with him, can he email her comments to other people?
The closest knowledge I have is from Law and Order, so I really don't know. But it seems to me that if he is giving out messages to people and circumventing LE and the jail officers, that's a no-no. :no:
Gator
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 03:31 PM
Padilla has offered a $25k reward for the safe return of Haleigh. Caylee, Haleigh, I'm all confused with these spellings.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted
Gator
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 03:36 PM
What the hay-good catch gator i missed that. Well he did look bored when sitting in the pew. Or lacking in emotion should i say. I guess the promise is an inside joke(for lack of a better word). That lip smacking sound is forever etched in my brain. I hope i dont have to resort to head banging to remove it. Gawd the poor GF having to suck face with hoover. I am going to officially refer to him as hoover (as in vacuum). I'm surprised her head has not disappeared. I know me bad-having a vent. MOO :eek:
Poor Beem: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry032.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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Gator
when he's finished with this case, he'll probably have his own show on telemundo or univision. That's his goal. judge bozo or judge juan bobo.
gator
lmao!!
Padilla has offered a $25k reward for the safe return of Haleigh. Caylee, Haleigh, I'm all confused with these spellings.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted
Gator
Good for LP! Even though he has irritated me some with this case, I truly believe his heart is in the right place.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 04:11 PM
There must have been some heavy duty whispering going on in that bedroom on June 15th between the liar and her brother.
What I would like to know, if anyone is a lawyer out there (Where is Peachallie when we need her?) is can Jose transport messages to people from the Liar? In other words, if he can his computer with him yesterday and the Liar was with him, can he email her comments to other people?
The closest knowledge I have is from Law and Order, so I really don't know. But it seems to me that if he is giving out messages to people and circumventing LE and the jail officers, that's a no-no. :no:
Gator
I would think that Jose would be permitted to pass non-privileged information orally; as for transmitting other communications by computer for instance, or allowing Casey to use his, according to at least one of the talking heads on NG last night, that would not be permitted because if would be circumventing jailhouse rules and regs.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 04:13 PM
Padilla has offered a $25k reward for the safe return of Haleigh. Caylee, Haleigh, I'm all confused with these spellings.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted
Gator
That is great news! Godspeed
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 04:22 PM
Here is the clip of Lee's (Hoover) eulogy. If you can stomach it, watch at least the first 1.5 minutes of it. In the very beginning as the family is walking towards to podium, check out the professional photographer behind the pews angling for good shots. Probably for Cindy's book. :rolleyes:
Second, watch for Lee's laptop. He keeps looking down but then when he starts on CMA, he's not looking at the laptop anymore. He received his message. JMO
Gator
http://www.wesh.com/video/18681856/index.html
browneyes106
02-11-2009, 04:34 PM
I know and I wondered for a bit when lee was out of the spotlight if Mallory was still in the picture. Oh man i would so :chicken:
There rumors on other sites that they had broken up back in October.
beachbum
02-11-2009, 04:42 PM
You all gotta remember and know that Caseys' friends loved Caylee too---dont you know they freaked out to find out Casey killed her. Who could not love this little Angel-Caylee. Not sure they would attempt to go to her funeral or not. Just a very sad story.
beachbum
02-11-2009, 04:54 PM
Here is the clip of Lee's (Hoover) eulogy. If you can stomach it, watch at least the first 1.5 minutes of it. In the very beginning as the family is walking towards to podium, check out the professional photographer behind the pews angling for good shots. Probably for Cindy's book. :rolleyes:
Second, watch for Lee's laptop. He keeps looking down but then when he starts on CMA, he's not looking at the laptop anymore. He received his message. JMO
Gator
http://www.wesh.com/video/18681856/index.html
Who is going to want to read Cindys book:read: about the Mother of the Year! Yeah the one that killed her daughter....it wont be making the best seller list by no means.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 05:26 PM
All the music was nice, imo...there, i said something nice about Cindy...
And it's snowng down below. Never thought it wuld happen. LOL
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 05:36 PM
Okay , that's it for you. No more liquids at all while at the computer. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Or we get you a plastic drop sheet like the painters use.
Gator
Thet used to have plastic covers that fit real tightly over typewriters and you could still type through it. Do they have those for keyboards? Could we please get Nawny one?
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 05:41 PM
Unless it's that he will see that whoever killed her will pay, so do I.
Hadn't thought of that. Good thinking and VERY GOOD point!:beer:
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 05:49 PM
So interesting your ministry! Amen to that debt.
It really was and I met a lot of people who really turned their lives around. Hated to give it up, but moved to a different town for a much better job.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 05:54 PM
hehehe Nobody at my church even wears a hat. I'm tellin' ya, we've got sticks You Know Where! But still take joy in it all.
I just want to say I am so proud to live in a country where each can worship as they choose or not at all if we prefer. And we know God loves each and every one of us, his children.:patriot::patriot:
eatcupcakes
02-11-2009, 05:57 PM
There rumors on other sites that they had broken up back in October.
Who is Malory and does anyone know if the lady sitting next to Lee is his girlfriend. Was Cindy's mother and brother at the services?
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 06:05 PM
I agree that was weird. Lee Anthony for some reason looks really creppy with a shaved head.
I think he looks like a convict. Maybe he is getting prepared for what is to come.
Seriously, now that the memorial has been held, let's get on with requestioning the A's.
eatcupcakes
02-11-2009, 06:05 PM
I agree George knows. When he said for people not to judge, he wasn't referring to Casey, he was referring to himself saying he missed her.
As for forgiveness, I can forgive someone for killing me (if asked for forgiveness), but not for killing someone else. If we were all required to forgive crimes against OTHERS there would be no justice. That's not Biblical.
I think what is going on with this family is that they "hate the crime but they love the sinner". You just don't stop loving your children no matter what they have done. One attorney said on one of the shows last night is that it happens time and time again that the immediately family always stands behind the criminal and are the last ones there for them.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 06:14 PM
I'm not a touchy feely person--don't even ATTEMPT to give me a back or neck rub!!!! I think if someone stood there and rubbed up and down my back or my arm while I was trying to give a speech (even tho I know she was portraying "support") I'd deck that someone!!! Now, to put your hand on my back and just leave it there, I could probably tolerate, but the rubbing would be a distraction, for sure!!!! It is kind of odd--all those interviews and jail videos where they rarely touch @ all, even in comfort, then today have her rubbing their backs.....maybe they are on their way to healing?
Bullsh_t! That was Cindy's way of telling Casey she has George and Lee and she doesn't.
Native Alien
02-11-2009, 06:24 PM
Who is Malory and does anyone know if the lady sitting next to Lee is his girlfriend. Was Cindy's mother and brother at the services?
The lady sitting next to Lee in the black and white patterned top was Mallory, Lee's girlfriend.
I don't believe that Cindy's mother and brother were there.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 06:36 PM
Even if they had to disband (not the right word, but you get what I mean) the original foundation, you would think a DIFFERENT one would have a different name. Like I said before, I'd be more likely to donate to TES or a major, well-known (altho I don't know the name, lol) missing childrens organization IN CAYLEE's NAME than I would be to donate to a fund that had ANYTHING to do w/the A's. Not donating to KFN whether in Caylee's name of not. I can't see donating to paint non-working phone numbers on mobile bill boards.
The best organization I know of is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I have no idea of the address or phone number but sure they have a web site.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 06:48 PM
This whole thing makes my head hurt thinking about it.
My childhood best friend had two older sisters and two older brothers. The oldest brother held a grudge against his mother. Turns out to get even with the mother, he was raping the middle sister since she was 12 years old to about 17. At 17 she tried to kill herself, (she could have been pregnant but that part I was never told). She may have done it to protect her younger sister, my friend. The parents found out about the whole thing and covered it up. The brother who was married and had a son, had to go to counseling and he was never permitted to any gatherings if the sister was there and they never left him alone with any girls. Families cover up, they don't punish. If you would have seen them together, you would have thought you were in the Father Knows Best show, not the Twilight Zone.
Gator
I just had a horrible, horible thought while reading your post. This is so much like the A's. If Casey had told Cindy a little sooner that Caylee was missing, would the even have reported her missing? Or if Casey had confessed all would they have tried some way to hide it and cover up? Gives me shivers wondering.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 06:51 PM
I just want to say I am so proud to live in a country where each can worship as they choose or not at all if we prefer. And we know God loves each and every one of us, his children.:patriot::patriot:
JD, we take an awful lot for granted don't we? I was mightily reminded of that on inauguration day.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 06:54 PM
The best organization I know of is the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. I have no idea of the address or phone number but sure they have a web site.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US
Two thumbs up!
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 06:54 PM
From what I saw on TV of the parking lot and a report on a news channel, it was closer to 500 at the church. Where NG got 2,000 people from is beyond me. Maybe she was counting the people at the jail since it is so close. I have come to the conclusion that you can't trust anything that NG says. She is still harping about protestors and making it worse than it was. She says they were there to fight with George. They were there to harass the Liar and George came out of the house to confront them. I am not excusing the protestors, only that they weren't there to confront the family, only the Liar. For her to say there were thousands at the church is ridiculous.
I wish NG would stick to getting the facts of the cases and not give us her interpretation of things or what her twins had for breakfast.
Gator
As far as I can tell, the 1100+ number is the most accurate. Heard it from several different sources.
javahog
02-11-2009, 07:11 PM
:eek: :eek:
The wildlife, not the lawyers! I would never make THAT comparison!:punch:
javahog
02-11-2009, 07:14 PM
No, I have never seen it but it appears to be a new building. Could be that Google Earth has an older satellite photo.
Java - I found a Smiley for you since you are an archeologist. I couldn't wait to use it: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char168.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
Tutankhsmiley rocks!!!!!
javahog
02-11-2009, 07:20 PM
There must have been some heavy duty whispering going on in that bedroom on June 15th between the liar and her brother.
What I would like to know, if anyone is a lawyer out there (Where is Peachallie when we need her?) is can Jose transport messages to people from the Liar? In other words, if he can his computer with him yesterday and the Liar was with him, can he email her comments to other people?
The closest knowledge I have is from Law and Order, so I really don't know. But it seems to me that if he is giving out messages to people and circumventing LE and the jail officers, that's a no-no. :no:
Gator
What if he had her on that laptop in a video conference call, like Skype? I have a built in camera on my laptop. JB had his laptop for her, Lee was carrying his around like a purse puppy...What if the Smackopulator was performing directly for her? It would explain why Cindy glanced at the podium and broke into a big smile...
I think LE should ban JB from bringing a laptop with an aircard in there...
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 07:27 PM
What if he had her on that laptop in a video conference call, like Skype? I have a built in camera on my laptop. JB had his laptop for her, Lee was carrying his around like a purse puppy...What if the Smackopulator was performing directly for her? It would explain why Cindy glanced at the podium and broke into a big smile...
I think LE should ban JB from bringing a laptop with an aircard in there...I am not surprised at things these people do. :cuss: I think LE should do something about it too.
javahog
02-11-2009, 07:30 PM
Here is the clip of Lee's (Hoover) eulogy. If you can stomach it, watch at least the first 1.5 minutes of it. In the very beginning as the family is walking towards to podium, check out the professional photographer behind the pews angling for good shots. Probably for Cindy's book. :rolleyes:
Second, watch for Lee's laptop. He keeps looking down but then when he starts on CMA, he's not looking at the laptop anymore. He received his message. JMO
Gator
http://www.wesh.com/video/18681856/index.html
I just watched it again, I am more sure he had her on a video hook-up. George was looking at the screen as well as Cindy. Naughty, naughty.
There's a reason that laptop was there. He could have printed his "speech" ("insert creepy pulse kiss here ****"?), but he did not.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 07:33 PM
I think George's gum was a nervous habit...did you notice that every time Cindy was going off about how wonderful Casey is he chewed faster and more intensely, lol!
While George was speaking, at one point Cindy put her hand on his arm and appeared to be trying to get him to move from the podium. Then she put her hand over his notes. Does anyone recall what he was saying when this occured?
lissyanne1
02-11-2009, 07:36 PM
I think what is going on with this family is that they "hate the crime but they love the sinner". You just don't stop loving your children no matter what they have done. One attorney said on one of the shows last night is that it happens time and time again that the immediately family always stands behind the criminal and are the last ones there for them.
I believe that no matter how you stand on this issue, there is a time and a place for voicing your support of a relative accused of murder and the victim's memorial service or funeral is not that place. JMO
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 07:42 PM
I just watched it again, I am more sure he had her on a video hook-up. George was looking at the screen as well as Cindy. Naughty, naughty.
There's a reason that laptop was there. He could have printed his "speech" ("insert creepy pulse kiss here ****"?), but he did not.
While George was speaking, at one point Cindy put her hand on his arm and appeared to be trying to get him to move from the podium. Then she put her hand over his notes. Does anyone recall what he was saying when this occured?
I am not nearly as observant as you folks. It is getting creepy what these people are doing. jmo I do feel sorry for their loss and pain, but...
There was a baby killer in our city in 1992 and I don't remember ever seeing her parents on tv or newspaper. I don't think we had CNN then. They even had a change of venue to a town about 150 miles south of there. She had an excellent lawyer and was convicted.
Zingo
02-11-2009, 07:43 PM
While George was speaking, at one point Cindy put her hand on his arm and appeared to be trying to get him to move from the podium. Then she put her hand over his notes. Does anyone recall what he was saying when this occured?
I don't remember exactly what he was saying at the time, but I recall Cindy doing that. I thought she was trying to move his hand. My first thought was she was trying to get him to read from a script?? Or maybe she was trying to get him to back up so she could see Casey on Lee's computer? :shrug:
I don't want to have to watch it again ... so if anyone knows.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 07:44 PM
JVM reported that LP is going to be deposed by the defense in the ZFG case. Has anyone seen a link for this? Guess he'll tell NG all about it.
BTW Did Leonard have another live chat recently? Anyone?
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 07:45 PM
There's more in Kissimmee than just cows. There are vultures and skunks too.
Gator
http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
:biggrin: That is no way to speak about Bozo - a vulture and a snake? Really. He is nothing more than a rat.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 07:52 PM
Well, like Che in Evita..." Its her funeral, too!"
Applause! Applause! Applause! And only too true. As far as the world she knew and lived in, Casey is dead. This may be the only funeral she gets until she dies when she is so old, no one left alive remembers her.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 07:55 PM
Not just you, JD. Didn't his little tribute to CMA sound like he was saying that his psycho sister confessed to him what happened to Caylee and he promised her he would keep her murderous secret? It did to me.
That's what I'm thinking ot the secret he was Caylee's father.
javahog
02-11-2009, 07:56 PM
Applause! Applause! Applause! And only too true. As far as the world she knew and lived in, Casey is dead. This may be the only funeral she gets until she dies when she is so old, no one left alive remembers her.
Wow. She may have her supporters now, but they will slowly peel away to join Caylee.
javahog
02-11-2009, 08:10 PM
I would think that Jose would be permitted to pass non-privileged information orally; as for transmitting other communications by computer for instance, or allowing Casey to use his, according to at least one of the talking heads on NG last night, that would not be permitted because if would be circumventing jailhouse rules and regs.
wouldn't be the first flouting of jailhouse rules if he does let her...
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 08:18 PM
I just watched it again, I am more sure he had her on a video hook-up. George was looking at the screen as well as Cindy. Naughty, naughty.
There's a reason that laptop was there. He could have printed his "speech" ("insert creepy pulse kiss here ****"?), but he did not.
Did you notice that when Lee finished speaking George moved over and looked at the computer? Then Lee closed it.
Justice Denied?
02-11-2009, 08:22 PM
I don't remember exactly what he was saying at the time, but I recall Cindy doing that. I thought she was trying to move his hand. My first thought was she was trying to get him to read from a script?? Or maybe she was trying to get him to back up so she could see Casey on Lee's computer? :shrug:
I don't want to have to watch it again ... so if anyone knows.
Maybe that was it - George got off the script that Cindy had written for him.
Gatordog
02-11-2009, 08:34 PM
What if he had her on that laptop in a video conference call, like Skype? I have a built in camera on my laptop. JB had his laptop for her, Lee was carrying his around like a purse puppy...What if the Smackopulator was performing directly for her? It would explain why Cindy glanced at the podium and broke into a big smile...
I think LE should ban JB from bringing a laptop with an aircard in there...
Wow that's a possibility. George and Cindy did get closer to him. Now I've got to watch that disgusting display again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/slaphead.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
javahog
02-11-2009, 08:38 PM
Wow that's a possibility. George and Cindy did get closer to him. Now I've got to watch that disgusting display again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/slaphead.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
I just tried. I can not only do a video call, I can open another window and watch tv too. No wonder she didn't ask to watch.
javahog
02-11-2009, 09:21 PM
Oooo, I wonder if nawny's new baby laptop can do those things?? Maybe I should read the directions.
oooh, Nawny! maybe now we can watch you say what you think!
Does it have a built in camera? Mine is dead center above my screen... (hmm, this might be what the OT thread is for, lol!)
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 09:51 PM
wouldn't be the first flouting of jailhouse rules if he does let her...
I'd love to see the Baeztard sanctioned if he's bypassing jail rules.
javahog
02-11-2009, 09:59 PM
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial.
wind149
02-11-2009, 10:00 PM
One talking head on JVM said a mouthful, "this case has turned into a circus" and is he right! Now we have talking heads comparing the OJ and MJ trials with CA's trial, aka the next "trial of the century" and this makes me sick to my stomach. Now Baez the tool, wants to have the DA removed from the case because some broad comes forward 13 years later and claims she was coerced into lying about a subject that later was convicted of murder and got life by said prosecutor and I am curious about something. Why would she do this? Baez looking up his prior caseload? Trying to find dirt under the rug? My speculation, I would not put it past him, he oozes sleaze in his Armani suits and $100 haircut, he is gonna play dirty pool and I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass and he ends up disbarred!!! A lot of lawyers always dream of the "big case" that puts them on the map and he is one of them, he loves the camera, and he is no F. Lee Bailey much as he thinks he is.
I hope that his sleaziness does not let this skank get a lesser sentence than LWPOP or DP, I do not want this ***** to ever get out, I want her to rot in PC, or on death row till they flip a switch or she dies 60 years from now in her cell. And tonight on NG, fingerprints found on duct tape is possibly hers and I am thinking they are probably hers and how is Baez gonna spin that one? Her actions, words and lack of anything but herself is gonna hang her and her parents have to get their head out of their asses and refuse to stand behind her, maybe if they did that, and she finds herself totally alone and nobody believing the crap that spewed from her mouth, maybe she would come clean and tell the truth, but as long as Baez and C&G continue to enable her, she is loving every minute of the attention most sociopaths do, even being in jail does not faze her, she is getting creature comforts, canteen, able to watch TV, has a radio, can read magazines and books, drink designer water and eat snacks and content to let everyone do her dirty work for her.
I have a feeling Baez is convinced she is innocent despite how she is and for all we know he might have a crush on her, they sure spend a lot of time together and the trial is months or a year down the pike. As for C&G they are lost causes despite the fact the child is confirmed dead, found just down the road in an area CA played as a child, the remains were in bags the way she used to bury pets, items found were confirmed to be C's like the Winnie the Pooh blanket which came as a set, I remember buying a similar one for my goddaughter, from the sheets to the mobile in her crib it came as a set even with curtains and the blanket was not in the house when they searched the first time and then it is found with C, so Baez is gonna have a lot to disprove and also this is beyond circumstantial evidence, they have the body, they have the car, they have the duct tape, they have the jailhouse tapes, statements from several people, FBI and Orange County interview tapes, where I am sitting she is going down.
How come when I Google Earth Jose Baez' Kissimmee office, I get an empty field? Is that a GE quirk, or is his office there amidst the cows?
It wouldn't surprise me @ all--even his web site goes NO WHERE!!!! Wouldn't that be weird--a lawyer's office address that is NO WHERE!!! But, there is MUCH that is just so weird in this case. I keep thinking nothing else would surprise me, but the players do seem to be able to come up with something!!!!
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 10:08 PM
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial. This brought tears to my eyes. :rose:
javahog
02-11-2009, 10:13 PM
This brought tears to my eyes. :rose:
Its sad isn't it, to think of anyone needing something like this and having to choose one...
Good question, but my guess is Rick was at the top of the banned list.
Jessica seemed to have the 3 page list (with 20 names and their pics for identification.) Wonder why she didn't say who was on the list?
Zingo
02-11-2009, 10:20 PM
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial.
Especially made for your loved one
or beloved pet.
Yuck! I wouldn't put it past Cindy. And we know that Caylee had already been taken to the "pet cemetery" by Mother of the Year.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 10:21 PM
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial.
Interesting! I thought maybe in the locket that George mentioned that someone had put on him.
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 10:27 PM
One talking head on JVM said a mouthful, "this case has turned into a circus" and is he right! Now we have talking heads comparing the OJ and MJ trials with CA's trial, aka the next "trial of the century" and this makes me sick to my stomach. Now Baez the tool, wants to have the DA removed from the case because some broad comes forward 13 years later and claims she was coerced into lying about a subject that later was convicted of murder and got life by said prosecutor and I am curious about something. Why would she do this? Baez looking up his prior caseload? Trying to find dirt under the rug? My speculation, I would not put it past him, he oozes sleaze in his Armani suits and $100 haircut, he is gonna play dirty pool and I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass and he ends up disbarred!!! A lot of lawyers always dream of the "big case" that puts them on the map and he is one of them, he loves the camera, and he is no F. Lee Bailey much as he thinks he is.
I hope that his sleaziness does not let this skank get a lesser sentence than LWPOP or DP, I do not want this ***** to ever get out, I want her to rot in PC, or on death row till they flip a switch or she dies 60 years from now in her cell. And tonight on NG, fingerprints found on duct tape is possibly hers and I am thinking they are probably hers and how is Baez gonna spin that one? Her actions, words and lack of anything but herself is gonna hang her and her parents have to get their head out of their asses and refuse to stand behind her, maybe if they did that, and she finds herself totally alone and nobody believing the crap that spewed from her mouth, maybe she would come clean and tell the truth, but as long as Baez and C&G continue to enable her, she is loving every minute of the attention most sociopaths do, even being in jail does not faze her, she is getting creature comforts, canteen, able to watch TV, has a radio, can read magazines and books, drink designer water and eat snacks and content to let everyone do her dirty work for her.
I have a feeling Baez is convinced she is innocent despite how she is and for all we know he might have a crush on her, they sure spend a lot of time together and the trial is months or a year down the pike. As for C&G they are lost causes despite the fact the child is confirmed dead, found just down the road in an area CA played as a child, the remains were in bags the way she used to bury pets, items found were confirmed to be C's like the Winnie the Pooh blanket which came as a set, I remember buying a similar one for my goddaughter, from the sheets to the mobile in her crib it came as a set even with curtains and the blanket was not in the house when they searched the first time and then it is found with C, so Baez is gonna have a lot to disprove and also this is beyond circumstantial evidence, they have the body, they have the car, they have the duct tape, they have the jailhouse tapes, statements from several people, FBI and Orange County interview tapes, where I am sitting she is going down.
Oh good Lord. She lied thirteen years ago and she's just now coming forward?
Baez is going to have to do some fancy footwork to explain away Casey's prints on that duct tape (if it's true)! Or LKB. Surely she won't let him handle anything this important. No way, Jose. :no:
I don't remember exactly what he was saying at the time, but I recall Cindy doing that. I thought she was trying to move his hand. My first thought was she was trying to get him to read from a script?? Or maybe she was trying to get him to back up so she could see Casey on Lee's computer? :shrug:
I don't want to have to watch it again ... so if anyone knows.
I think the computer left w/Lee. Altho I didn't even NOTICE the laptop when I watched the first time, when I watched the one from the recent link, I did see him close the laptop as he was leaving.
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 10:37 PM
Oh good Lord. She lied thirteen years ago and she's just now coming forward?
Baez is going to have to do some fancy footwork to explain away Casey's prints on that duct tape (if it's true)! Or LKB. Surely she won't let him handle anything this important. No way, Jose. :no:I sort of trust Padilla, and he said that his source said the prints of caysee were on the duct tape. If that is true, I don't see how even LKB can change that around, at least I hope she can't.
If there is a change of venue, I do hope it is north Florida. It's an extension of south Georgia, and they don't like baby killers there. jmo ;)
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial.
WOW!!!! That sure is a possibility!!! Another thing about Lee--he did not get up to place kisses on the teddy bear like George and Cindy did. He wears ONLY a Casey pin. You wonder why he even bothered to go to the memorial? To be the "pillar of strength" for the family? OH, no, I guess it was to get a message to Casey. Still, you'd think he'd wear a Caylee pin, or tell her good by like Grandma and Grandpa did.
Zingo
02-11-2009, 10:47 PM
I think the computer left w/Lee. Altho I didn't even NOTICE the laptop when I watched the first time, when I watched the one from the recent link, I did see him close the laptop as he was leaving.
You are right. Lee took it with him, so George and Cindy didn't have it during their euologies. I have no idea if Lee had a web cam connection with Casey. Why is it that this family leaves itself wide opn for this kind of endless speculation? On the other hand we have someone on NG last nite claiming that Baez wouldn't have been able to have an internet connection in his meeting with Case, because they have to keep a log of her communications. That makes sense.
Still, it's odd that Lee would need his laptop. Why lug that around when you can print off your eulogy?
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 11:10 PM
I sort of trust Padilla, and he said that his source said the prints of caysee were on the duct tape. If that is true, I don't see how even LKB can change that around, at least I hope she can't.
If there is a change of venue, I do hope it is north Florida. It's an extension of south Georgia, and they don't like baby killers there. jmo ;)
I find it very hard to believe that LP would go on the record with something this big if he wasn't pretty sure of his source.
You are right. Lee took it with him, so George and Cindy didn't have it during their euologies. I have no idea if Lee had a web cam connection with Casey. Why is it that this family leaves itself wide opn for this kind of endless speculation? On the other hand we have someone on NG last nite claiming that Baez wouldn't have been able to have an internet connection in his meeting with Case, because they have to keep a log of her communications. That makes sense.
Still, it's odd that Lee would need his laptop. Why lug that around when you can print off your eulogy?
Maybe his printer wasn't working, or it ran out of ink? (j/k)
lighthousedazy
02-11-2009, 11:28 PM
You are right. Lee took it with him, so George and Cindy didn't have it during their euologies. I have no idea if Lee had a web cam connection with Casey. Why is it that this family leaves itself wide opn for this kind of endless speculation? On the other hand we have someone on NG last nite claiming that Baez wouldn't have been able to have an internet connection in his meeting with Case, because they have to keep a log of her communications. That makes sense.
Still, it's odd that Lee would need his laptop. Why lug that around when you can print off your eulogy?Is there any chance that she would ever have access to a computer and maybe he saved all this to disc and emailed the ceremony or at least the gobbledy gook message to her? jmo :shrug:
I find it very hard to believe that LP would go on the record with something this big if he wasn't pretty sure of his source.
I had to leave the room when someone was on NG talking about the duct tape. (Not that I was disgusted about the th, I had to leave for other reasons.) A defense lawyer, for sure. He was saying that it COULD BE that Casey was the last to have used that roll of tape (for whatever) BEFORE Caylee was abducted, and of course her fingerprints would be on that end of the tape. Maybe she was using it for some innocent enterprise like---oh, maybe her cell phone broke and needed taping (this is my speculation.) Now, it there is a finger print on BOTH ends (or any place between, she is duck soup!!!!)
I say, if that girl didn't have bad luck, she'd have no luck @ all!!!! Just like in other cases, you can take each little piece of evidence and come up with a POSSIBLE reason, but when you put ALL of the pieces of evidence together--it just does NOT look good for the perp!!!!
lorettalockhorn
02-11-2009, 11:30 PM
You are right. Lee took it with him, so George and Cindy didn't have it during their euologies. I have no idea if Lee had a web cam connection with Casey. Why is it that this family leaves itself wide opn for this kind of endless speculation? On the other hand we have someone on NG last nite claiming that Baez wouldn't have been able to have an internet connection in his meeting with Case, because they have to keep a log of her communications. That makes sense.
Still, it's odd that Lee would need his laptop. Why lug that around when you can print off your eulogy?
Nothing this family does makes sense. And none of these attorneys seem to be able to corral them.
I really don't get why Lee made his "unified" speech. He doesn't seem to give a rat's patootie about Caylee. Did he even say her name? How is the family unified if all that matters to him is Casey? While he was speaking, Mallory was nodding in agreement. Glad she gets him. :confused: I sure don't.
Zingo
02-12-2009, 12:08 AM
Nothing this family does makes sense. And none of these attorneys seem to be able to corral them.
I really don't get why Lee made his "unified" speech. He doesn't seem to give a rat's patootie about Caylee. Did he even say her name? How is the family unified if all that matters to him is Casey? While he was speaking, Mallory was nodding in agreement. Glad she gets him. :confused: I sure don't.
Yah, I don't get it either, cause I know Lee was working with LE early on. But was he just working with them to try to prove Casey's innocence??? He has to know the nanny story is bunk.
I would have loved to have someone in the Anthony family talk about JUSTICE.
Best line of the memorial could have been: "If it's the last thing we do, we want the person who did this to Caylee to be brought to justice. Caylee deserves to rest in peace. And we will not rest until her murderer is convicted and punished to the fullest extent of the law."
That would have put the fear of God in Casey on her little Bobo web cam ... ha!!!
Zingo
02-12-2009, 12:14 AM
I had to leave the room when someone was on NG talking about the duct tape. (Not that I was disgusted about the th, I had to leave for other reasons.) A defense lawyer, for sure. He was saying that it COULD BE that Casey was the last to have used that roll of tape (for whatever) BEFORE Caylee was abducted, and of course her fingerprints would be on that end of the tape. Maybe she was using it for some innocent enterprise like---oh, maybe her cell phone broke and needed taping (this is my speculation.) Now, it there is a finger print on BOTH ends (or any place between, she is duck soup!!!!)
I say, if that girl didn't have bad luck, she'd have no luck @ all!!!! Just like in other cases, you can take each little piece of evidence and come up with a POSSIBLE reason, but when you put ALL of the pieces of evidence together--it just does NOT look good for the perp!!!!
No matter what happens, jurors will not be able to escape the simplest facts that are not explainable in an innocent way:
Her finger prints on duct tape across Caylee's mouth = Casey screwed
SIMILAR TO:
Wife's body turning up where he went fishing = Scott Peterson screwed
It's case closed if the prints are there.
:beer:
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 12:14 AM
Agree... I watched him probably five times and each time the thought that he was there to defend his sister got stronger. They were all there to defend Casey. (With the slight exception of George) But he also made a defensive move for Casey. That memorial was for Caylee, right?
Nawny has a pootanna of a flu.. my whole face is leaking.
:(
Soooooooo sorry to hear about your flu. I NEVER get sick, and had my first cold ever a while back and the first flu in about fifteen or twenty years. :eek: Nyquil, baby.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 12:21 AM
Yah, I don't get it either, cause I know Lee was working with LE early on. But was he just working with them to try to prove Casey's innocence??? He has to know the nanny story is bunk.
I would have loved to have someone in the Anthony family talk about JUSTICE.
Best line of the memorial could have been: "If it's the last thing we do, we want the person who did this to Caylee to be brought to justice. Caylee deserves to rest in peace. And we will not rest until her murderer is convicted and punished to the fullest extent of the law."
That would have put the fear of God in Casey on her little Bobo web cam ... ha!!!
For sure about justice for Caylee. Lee can blather about compassion until it harelips the Pope, but you know damned good and well that if LE came up with a viable case against a kidnapper, there would be zero compassion from the Ants.
browneyes106
02-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Jessica seemed to have the 3 page list (with 20 names and their pics for identification.) Wonder why she didn't say who was on the list?
She probably did it for privacy reasons or maybe some of those people will be witnesses at the trial. Rick, LP, and The Grunds have been confirmed as being banned from the service. I think the others could be coworkers of Cindy, neighbors or some Casey's former friends.
browneyes106
02-12-2009, 12:49 AM
I think he looks like a convict. Maybe he is getting prepared for what is to come.
Seriously, now that the memorial has been held, let's get on with requestioning the A's.
I agree maybe he is trying to look tough. I don't think someone like Lee would survive prison.
javahog
02-12-2009, 01:14 AM
You are right. Lee took it with him, so George and Cindy didn't have it during their euologies. I have no idea if Lee had a web cam connection with Casey. Why is it that this family leaves itself wide opn for this kind of endless speculation? On the other hand we have someone on NG last nite claiming that Baez wouldn't have been able to have an internet connection in his meeting with Case, because they have to keep a log of her communications. That makes sense.
Still, it's odd that Lee would need his laptop. Why lug that around when you can print off your eulogy?
Yeah, but who's gonna keep the log? Jose?
When she's in with her attorney, they may be visible(since he was busted for hugification), but since he's been officially allowed to bring his laptop to these privileged meetings...if he's willing to do it and has airport, easy. Who would know? And there's a reason JB and CMA met during the memorial. And a reason Lee had a laptop (I mean come on, Lee...it wasn't there for a "eulogy"-he wasn't reading!)
Nope, Denmark is stinky, and LE better get better at tech stuff. I mean, I'm an archaeologist. If I can figure out how, does anyone think a techno-skank can't?
javahog
02-12-2009, 01:18 AM
No matter what happens, jurors will not be able to escape the simplest facts that are not explainable in an innocent way:
Her finger prints on duct tape across Caylee's mouth = Casey screwed
SIMILAR TO:
Wife's body turning up where he went fishing = Scott Peterson screwed
It's case closed if the prints are there.
:beer:
Umm, Zingo, crazed bands of hippies fish, too. I think we can all admit there was a grave miscarriage of justice in that case...
hahahahahhahahahahaha!
Zingo
02-12-2009, 01:30 AM
Umm, Zingo, crazed bands of hippies fish, too. I think we can all admit there was a grave miscarriage of justice in that case...
hahahahahhahahahahaha!
Yeah, I'm sure Garagos used that old "hippies fish, too" line ... But juries know: "Hippies are too lazy and stoned to fish." Ha!
Kinda like this jury is gonna know: "Casey was too lazy to competantly frame her non-existant nanny so she left her prints on the damn duct tape."
javahog
02-12-2009, 01:31 AM
Yeah, I'm sure Garagos used that old "hippies fish, too" line ... But juries know: "Hippies are too lazy and stoned to fish." Ha!
Kinda like this jury is gonna know: "Casey was too lazy to competantly frame her non-existant nanny so she left her prints on the damn duct tape."
Maybe...but boy are they hungry!
Zingo
02-12-2009, 01:56 AM
Maybe...but boy are they hungry!
:beer: LOL
She probably did it for privacy reasons or maybe some of those people will be witnesses at the trial. Rick, LP, and The Grunds have been confirmed as being banned from the service. I think the others could be coworkers of Cindy, neighbors or some Casey's former friends.
Just because they might be witnesses @ the trial is a reason to not say they were banned from the memorial? I'm not sure I follow that.
I'm pretty sure one other name on the list would be Lois. Cindy publicly told her she couldn't come. Another would probably be Murt, as he and Lois were pretty around the A's together.
Native Alien
02-12-2009, 04:16 AM
Just because they might be witnesses @ the trial is a reason to not say they were banned from the memorial? I'm not sure I follow that.
I'm pretty sure one other name on the list would be Lois. Cindy publicly told her she couldn't come. Another would probably be Murt, as he and Lois were pretty around the A's together.
I believe that Leonard Padilla was informed by Cindy thru either his nephew or Robert that works with him. Cindy didn't want people there that she considered negative, or that doesn't agree that Casey didn't murder Caylee.
The people that were banned all have one thing in common and that is that they don't believe that Casey is innocent.
SaraSidle
02-12-2009, 04:23 AM
Maybe...but boy are they hungry!
I think Jeffery McDonald used Hippies too as suspects. Poor hippies-fish or not.
I am glad you are back Danagher but I am so sorry about your cold. Maybe One2Snoop gave hers to you to welcome you back.........not......:seeya:sara
mu8shark
02-12-2009, 04:28 AM
I find it very hard to believe that LP would go on the record with something this big if he wasn't pretty sure of his source. I totally agree, this is not one of those theories of his. It would look really, really bad if he just made this up. Somebody told him obviously who is in the know. And just a few things about this duct tape. She better start conserving her treat money because she is going to be in there a long , long time. I sometimes play a little game of play the defense attorney with some of the evidence. And I guess you could make a case, pretty far fetched , but that the blankie, the horse, the sticker was in the back pack and fake nanny had it or that someone got in the trunk and put Caylees body in there. Don't get me wrong I am not saying I believe that at all or that a 12 panel jury would buy that, just thinking of the rogue, wild ass juror that Jose may try to get to. But the duct tape with Casey's fingerprints. Where do you go with that? Option one, she just handled the duct tape and moved the roll from point A to point B. Nope, you can bet the fingerprints are on the inside of the tape, the sticky side, because water would have washed the fingerprints off of the outside but not likely the inside. So that does not fly at all. Nobody unrolls a piece of tape and puts it back and uses it later. Option two, LE does not know how to read or interpret fingerprints. They will smash them on rebuttal if they do that because if local LE is doubted for whatever crazy reason, on rebuttal some FBI tech will get up there who has done thousands upon thousands of fingerprint comparisons and concur. After all, Fingerprint technology is not exactly new science.. Option three, somebody planted her fingerprints, oh yeah right, in what spy novel??? LOL! Too , too far fetched. Final option she put duct tape on after death, yeah but you have to admit she did kill her to go forward and say it was not intentional, You can't say well we think she is innocent but in case she is not, it was an accident. You can't have it both ways so she will have to admit culpability and there is no way. I guess what I am saying is that Jose or LKB will have a helluva time with fingerprints on the tape. You add that to other evidence and man I don't see a way out for her. Just a comment on this jail memorial service, I am against it. First of all, if it is not monitored at all, you can't trust this family not to use the time to coordinate some story. I hate to say that but after the memorial where they used compassion and Casey in the same sentence and Lee played that little initial game which was just beyond weird,I don't trust this family. Secondly, why should Casey get favors others don't? I say no , no and no..
mu8shark
02-12-2009, 04:38 AM
I think Jeffery McDonald used Hippies too as suspects. Poor hippies-fish or not.
I am glad you are back Danagher but I am so sorry about your cold. Maybe One2Snoop gave hers to you to welcome you back.........not......:seeya:sara Funny you should mention that because I am rereading that book now, Fatal Vision and three out of the four hippies passed lie detector tests. Helena the girl was inconclusive but I think it was due to her mental state. No way that three people could all fool a lie detector test. Anyways was just thinking of that, sorry if it is off topic.
SaraSidle
02-12-2009, 05:27 AM
Funny you should mention that because I am rereading that book now, Fatal Vision and three out of the four hippies passed lie detector tests. Helena the girl was inconclusive but I think it was due to her mental state. No way that three people could all fool a lie detector test. Anyways was just thinking of that, sorry if it is off topic.
well it just seems so easy to blame hippies I think. Must be the Charlie Manson thing. this case is so obvious now I cannot believe it will not end up with guilty of murder 1st degree. IMO.........sara
Kendu
02-12-2009, 07:04 AM
I find it very hard to believe that LP would go on the record with something this big if he wasn't pretty sure of his source.
I dont, this guy will/can say anything knowing he wont be held accountable.
It's amazing that so many people are fooled be this phoney con man. It's shamefull that they (HLN) bring this guy on night after night. How is his nightly apperance helping get justice for Caylee? His 15 minutes are long up and he need's to crawl back under the rock he came from.
Bombshell--theres another missing little white girl so i guess that 6 yo little black boy will really get kicked to the curb.
Maybe HLN, NG, JVM and the rest will leave the Anthony's alone and let them grieve the death of their grandchild without the glare of the meida.
Native Alien
02-12-2009, 10:03 AM
I totally agree, this is not one of those theories of his. It would look really, really bad if he just made this up. Somebody told him obviously who is in the know. And just a few things about this duct tape. She better start conserving her treat money because she is going to be in there a long , long time. I sometimes play a little game of play the defense attorney with some of the evidence. And I guess you could make a case, pretty far fetched , but that the blankie, the horse, the sticker was in the back pack and fake nanny had it or that someone got in the trunk and put Caylees body in there. Don't get me wrong I am not saying I believe that at all or that a 12 panel jury would buy that, just thinking of the rogue, wild ass juror that Jose may try to get to. But the duct tape with Casey's fingerprints. Where do you go with that? Option one, she just handled the duct tape and moved the roll from point A to point B. Nope, you can bet the fingerprints are on the inside of the tape, the sticky side, because water would have washed the fingerprints off of the outside but not likely the inside. So that does not fly at all. Nobody unrolls a piece of tape and puts it back and uses it later. Option two, LE does not know how to read or interpret fingerprints. They will smash them on rebuttal if they do that because if local LE is doubted for whatever crazy reason, on rebuttal some FBI tech will get up there who has done thousands upon thousands of fingerprint comparisons and concur. After all, Fingerprint technology is not exactly new science.. Option three, somebody planted her fingerprints, oh yeah right, in what spy novel??? LOL! Too , too far fetched. Final option she put duct tape on after death, yeah but you have to admit she did kill her to go forward and say it was not intentional, You can't say well we think she is innocent but in case she is not, it was an accident. You can't have it both ways so she will have to admit culpability and there is no way. I guess what I am saying is that Jose or LKB will have a helluva time with fingerprints on the tape. You add that to other evidence and man I don't see a way out for her. Just a comment on this jail memorial service, I am against it. First of all, if it is not monitored at all, you can't trust this family not to use the time to coordinate some story. I hate to say that but after the memorial where they used compassion and Casey in the same sentence and Lee played that little initial game which was just beyond weird,I don't trust this family. Secondly, why should Casey get favors others don't? I say no , no and no..
If you are talking about the family asking for a private meeting with Casey, it is just that a private meeting. The only thing is that they don't want the video tape to be released to the public. I don't see how that is going to be accomplished and I don't believe that the jail or sheriff can honor that request. I know that at one time early on there was suppose to be a face to face between Casey and George but the sheriff said that he couldn't do that because it would have to be videotaped and that it would be public information.
I have to agree with you on the whole issue of Leonard Padilla and what he said as well. He has a certain reputation to maintain and if he gets caught lying it will harm that reputation. So he can't afford to be wrong.
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 10:14 AM
Here is the clip of Lee's (Hoover) eulogy. If you can stomach it, watch at least the first 1.5 minutes of it. In the very beginning as the family is walking towards to podium, check out the professional photographer behind the pews angling for good shots. Probably for Cindy's book. :rolleyes:
Second, watch for Lee's laptop. He keeps looking down but then when he starts on CMA, he's not looking at the laptop anymore. He received his message. JMO
Gator
http://www.wesh.com/video/18681856/index.html
I'm pretty certain that this theory is quite a stretch! I watched the video yesterday, and I'll say it was uncomfortable to watch...strange and creepy. WTF is with 'CMA'? Say a name dumbass! Kissing a bracelet? What spectacle!
Anyway, I watched again after reading your theory...I have to disagree with you. It looks like he wrote his speech on his laptop. Why didn't he print it out? Who knows. But he continues to look at the screen until the end when he closes it.
Cindy looking at the screen and smiling? To me it looks like she glances at it every now and then, but also is looking down a lot. It seems that occasionally she smiles in response to what creepLee says.
If Casey was on videoconference with Lee...what about the people standing behind Lee? Are they in on it too?
I think Casey...err...Liar wants nothing to do with any of this. She's done with it. It's over. Caylee is gone and she's already moved on. Watching or even attending any memorial would be a waste of her time.
Lee wouldn't be able to even set anything up with her as far as making arrangements for what software, what time, etc. He'd have to go through Bozo BS Baez and I don't see any cooperation there...and if there was I'm sure Liar would NOT participate, and would later tell Lee some big convoluted story about why Bozos laptop couldn't get a signal or something...
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 10:24 AM
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial.
Is it just me? I can see keeping an urn of ashes, or even a teddy bear urn of ashes - but to carry it around and hug it or play with it?
NMurphy02
02-12-2009, 10:29 AM
was reading from his laptop. I think he's an idiot and didn't want to print it out for some reason. The whole family is nuts and are now going through a nutty situation. I agree Casey is all about her! This memorial wasn't about her, so she wasn't interested. And Baez is an idiot that loves the publicity and thinks this case is going to make him a huge star. I think we all know what's going to happen there.
Just try her, and fry her and then I can move on to the next case that has me obsessed. I'm truly sick of the Anthony's, Jose Baez, and Crazy Casey. But I can't help myself. This must be how a drug addict feels.
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 10:31 AM
How come when I Google Earth Jose Baez' Kissimmee office, I get an empty field? Is that a GE quirk, or is his office there amidst the cows?
It wouldn't surprise me @ all--even his web site goes NO WHERE!!!! Wouldn't that be weird--a lawyer's office address that is NO WHERE!!! But, there is MUCH that is just so weird in this case. I keep thinking nothing else would surprise me, but the players do seem to be able to come up with something!!!!
Someone did mention already that Google (or any map site) uses satellite pictures that can be a few years old.
A friend of mine that I showed GoogleEarth to when it first came out thought it was a live feed (it's not).
It's pretty expensive to take satellite picture of the entire world!
shadydaisy
02-12-2009, 10:34 AM
Is it just me? I can see keeping an urn of ashes, or even a teddy bear urn of ashes - but to carry it around and hug it or play with it?
If she was cremated it would be a small amount of ashes. Really small. Sometimes people who are having a difficult time dealing with a loss do, shall we say, unusual and unconventional things with the ashes. I may not approve, but I would not be surprised by Cindy doing it.
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 10:36 AM
I dont, this guy will/can say anything knowing he wont be held accountable.
It's amazing that so many people are fooled be this phoney con man. It's shamefull that they (HLN) bring this guy on night after night. How is his nightly apperance helping get justice for Caylee? His 15 minutes are long up and he need's to crawl back under the rock he came from.
Bombshell--theres another missing little white girl so i guess that 6 yo little black boy will really get kicked to the curb.
Maybe HLN, NG, JVM and the rest will leave the Anthony's alone and let them grieve the death of their grandchild without the glare of the meida.
I disagree with you...he will be held accountable, if only by his reputation.
I totally agree, this is not one of those theories of his. It would look really, really bad if he just made this up. Somebody told him obviously who is in the know. And just a few things about this duct tape. She better start conserving her treat money because she is going to be in there a long , long time. I sometimes play a little game of play the defense attorney with some of the evidence. And I guess you could make a case, pretty far fetched , but that the blankie, the horse, the sticker was in the back pack and fake nanny had it or that someone got in the trunk and put Caylees body in there. Don't get me wrong I am not saying I believe that at all or that a 12 panel jury would buy that, just thinking of the rogue, wild ass juror that Jose may try to get to. But the duct tape with Casey's fingerprints. Where do you go with that? Option one, she just handled the duct tape and moved the roll from point A to point B. Nope, you can bet the fingerprints are on the inside of the tape, the sticky side, because water would have washed the fingerprints off of the outside but not likely the inside. So that does not fly at all. Nobody unrolls a piece of tape and puts it back and uses it later. Option two, LE does not know how to read or interpret fingerprints. They will smash them on rebuttal if they do that because if local LE is doubted for whatever crazy reason, on rebuttal some FBI tech will get up there who has done thousands upon thousands of fingerprint comparisons and concur. After all, Fingerprint technology is not exactly new science.. Option three, somebody planted her fingerprints, oh yeah right, in what spy novel??? LOL! Too , too far fetched. Final option she put duct tape on after death, yeah but you have to admit she did kill her to go forward and say it was not intentional, You can't say well we think she is innocent but in case she is not, it was an accident. You can't have it both ways so she will have to admit culpability and there is no way. I guess what I am saying is that Jose or LKB will have a helluva time with fingerprints on the tape. You add that to other evidence and man I don't see a way out for her. Just a comment on this jail memorial service, I am against it. First of all, if it is not monitored at all, you can't trust this family not to use the time to coordinate some story. I hate to say that but after the memorial where they used compassion and Casey in the same sentence and Lee played that little initial game which was just beyond weird,I don't trust this family. Secondly, why should Casey get favors others don't? I say no , no and no..
And about the blankie, horse and sticker--Cindy was prompting Casey about "you gave a key to Zanny?" Or was she saying Zenaida by then? (Cindy.) IMO, laying the groundwork for someone else having access to the house to get these things.
And, the tape. I think the th was saying that, when you tear off a piece of tape, your prints will be on the the end of the part that becomes the first part of the tape next time you use it. I hear "fingerprint." Wonder if it's fingerprint(s) and/or the print was not found on the "beginning" or the "end," but somewhere inbetween. AND--if the part with the fingerprint(s) can be matched up with the end of the tape still on the roll, that would show Casey was the one who put the tape on Caylee.
I don't really hear Baez or Casey talking about the private, in person meeting w/Casey--it's still BRAD, @ least on the ones I have read/heard. And, until CASEY (or Baez or one of the "team") requests the meeting, it isn't going to happen, I don't think. Everytime this has come up, or the going to the memorial/funeral or watching it on tv, the jail spokesperon says CASEY has not requested anything on these matters. Making me think, it has to come from CASEY, not from the family or their attorneys. I don't think Casey is wanting to face the family so much, regardless of their fervent messages to her via the memorial. I don't think the meeting would be a hug and kiss and this is the new story type of thing would occur--and Casey might not believe it, either. It would probably be a 3 against 1--not telling her to 'fess up, but to ream her a new one themselves. I could be wrong, but that's what I think would happen. I am with the folks who say--no, no way, it's a "special" priveledge not afforded to any other inmate, and OSCO says she gets NO SPECIAL treatment.
I dont, this guy will/can say anything knowing he wont be held accountable.
It's amazing that so many people are fooled be this phoney con man. It's shamefull that they (HLN) bring this guy on night after night. How is his nightly apperance helping get justice for Caylee? His 15 minutes are long up and he need's to crawl back under the rock he came from.
Bombshell--theres another missing little white girl so i guess that 6 yo little black boy will really get kicked to the curb.
Maybe HLN, NG, JVM and the rest will leave the Anthony's alone and let them grieve the death of their grandchild without the glare of the meida.
They can try, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Baez @ the least, and Conway will make sure this keeps in the headlines as much as they can....after all, for Baez, he needs the constant exposure (because he thinks he's "all that") so that there is reason for a COV when the trial comes up. If nothing is reported until time for the trial, the tainting of the jury pool lessens. IMO
If you are talking about the family asking for a private meeting with Casey, it is just that a private meeting. The only thing is that they don't want the video tape to be released to the public. I don't see how that is going to be accomplished and I don't believe that the jail or sheriff can honor that request. I know that at one time early on there was suppose to be a face to face between Casey and George but the sheriff said that he couldn't do that because it would have to be videotaped and that it would be public information.
I have to agree with you on the whole issue of Leonard Padilla and what he said as well. He has a certain reputation to maintain and if he gets caught lying it will harm that reputation. So he can't afford to be wrong.
IIRC, it wasn't the sheriff or the jail that nixed the one-on-one with George. In fact, George allegedly was AT the jail, ready for the meeting when BAEZ nixed it--probably for the reason you mentioned--that it WOULD be videotaped. But the meeting had been scheduled, according to the reports @ the time.
I think LP gets a little carried away with some of his theories, but I don't think he is going to do or say anything that lands him as defendant in some law suit. I guess it's like everything else. When something comes on the tv that someone doesn't like, the choice is there to turn the channel or turn the tv off.
Is it just me? I can see keeping an urn of ashes, or even a teddy bear urn of ashes - but to carry it around and hug it or play with it?
The pic of Cindy and the bear was taken a long time ago, about the time of the pics (for People mag?) with her sitting by the bed. The ashes wouldn't have been in it back then, Caylee hadn't even been found.
If one of my children's ashes was in a teddy bear, or even an urn, I can certainly see myself holding on to it, hugging it close, crying, whatever--it's as close as I would ever be to that child. Not that I would necessarily be doing that in public, but certainly in my own home.
eatcupcakes
02-12-2009, 11:28 AM
I believe that no matter how you stand on this issue, there is a time and a place for voicing your support of a relative accused of murder and the victim's memorial service or funeral is not that place. JMO
It is amazing what people can read into what your are saying. Did I say it was okay for them to support Casey at the memorial? I did not. I was just commenting that after I saw what they did during the Memorial this is what I thought is going on with them. They loved Kaylee with all there hearts and for them to be able to show support for KC I was trying to sum up their feelings. Hate the sin love the sinner. Personaly I think this is a crazy bunch of people. Can't understand anything they do. Did Lee think he was fooling anyone with CMA, we all know who he was talking to. If you ask me he seems over the top in love with his sister. :eek:
javahog
02-12-2009, 11:39 AM
Someone did mention already that Google (or any map site) uses satellite pictures that can be a few years old.
A friend of mine that I showed GoogleEarth to when it first came out thought it was a live feed (it's not).
It's pretty expensive to take satellite picture of the entire world!
I don't know, Big Brother, I mean Google is pretty dedicated on my house. They have updated the satellite view of my area 3 times in the past year. (yeah, I know its not a live feed for heaven's sake)
The thing with the Kissimmee location is, the address doesn't really exist in Google earth, even with street view. It is between two buildings, one of which appears to be a house for sale (unless that is a no trespassing sign) and the other is a bail bonds business. Neither of them have the same address as Baez. The mailbox between them is on a semicircular patch of landscaped lawn that does not appear to have proper dimensions to be built upon. Just curious because I heard his other office was a strip mall and it looked better than that...then I couldn't find the other office...
javahog
02-12-2009, 11:44 AM
And about the blankie, horse and sticker--Cindy was prompting Casey about "you gave a key to Zanny?" Or was she saying Zenaida by then? (Cindy.) IMO, laying the groundwork for someone else having access to the house to get these things.
And, the tape. I think the th was saying that, when you tear off a piece of tape, your prints will be on the the end of the part that becomes the first part of the tape next time you use it. I hear "fingerprint." Wonder if it's fingerprint(s) and/or the print was not found on the "beginning" or the "end," but somewhere inbetween. AND--if the part with the fingerprint(s) can be matched up with the end of the tape still on the roll, that would show Casey was the one who put the tape on Caylee.
I don't really hear Baez or Casey talking about the private, in person meeting w/Casey--it's still BRAD, @ least on the ones I have read/heard. And, until CASEY (or Baez or one of the "team") requests the meeting, it isn't going to happen, I don't think. Everytime this has come up, or the going to the memorial/funeral or watching it on tv, the jail spokesperon says CASEY has not requested anything on these matters. Making me think, it has to come from CASEY, not from the family or their attorneys. I don't think Casey is wanting to face the family so much, regardless of their fervent messages to her via the memorial. I don't think the meeting would be a hug and kiss and this is the new story type of thing would occur--and Casey might not believe it, either. It would probably be a 3 against 1--not telling her to 'fess up, but to ream her a new one themselves. I could be wrong, but that's what I think would happen. I am with the folks who say--no, no way, it's a "special" priveledge not afforded to any other inmate, and OSCO says she gets NO SPECIAL treatment.
Just one point on that talking head and his claim that the duct tape would have a print on both the used and unused portion...When I tear duct tape my fingers only touch the sticky part on the piece I use. I only touch the part that remains on the roll on the non-sticky part and that with my thumb, so I wouldn't necessarily buy that argument if on a jury.
javahog
02-12-2009, 11:50 AM
The judge should impose a gag order to stop all of the nonsense. And then we could stop gagging at every presser.
That said, I hope he doesn't. These folks are just the gifts that keep on giving.
javahog
02-12-2009, 11:58 AM
was reading from his laptop. I think he's an idiot and didn't want to print it out for some reason. The whole family is nuts and are now going through a nutty situation. I agree Casey is all about her! This memorial wasn't about her, so she wasn't interested. And Baez is an idiot that loves the publicity and thinks this case is going to make him a huge star. I think we all know what's going to happen there.
Just try her, and fry her and then I can move on to the next case that has me obsessed. I'm truly sick of the Anthony's, Jose Baez, and Crazy Casey. But I can't help myself. This must be how a drug addict feels.
He wasn't reading. He was off the cuff. (Or on the cuff going to second base with it, lol!) Whatever the laptop was there for it wasn't a teleprompter. I hold with my opinion that Casey was "present" and his wrist-macking was in person.
I say again, the jail should not permit a laptop with an aircard in with any attorney unless a prisoner is allowed that kind of access. If a prisoner can't make private phone calls or have unlogged meetings with people, this makes that far too easy to bypass.
browneyes106
02-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Is it just me? I can see keeping an urn of ashes, or even a teddy bear urn of ashes - but to carry it around and hug it or play with it?
If she was cremated it would be a small amount of ashes. Really small. Sometimes people who are having a difficult time dealing with a loss do, shall we say, unusual and unconventional things with the ashes. I may not approve, but I would not be surprised by Cindy doing it.
The pic of Cindy and the bear was taken a long time ago, about the time of the pics (for People mag?) with her sitting by the bed. The ashes wouldn't have been in it back then, Caylee hadn't even been found.
If one of my children's ashes was in a teddy bear, or even an urn, I can certainly see myself holding on to it, hugging it close, crying, whatever--it's as close as I would ever be to that child. Not that I would necessarily be doing that in public, but certainly in my own home.
I agree it would be a small amount. It is sort of common for keep ashes in diferent ways. I have known families who have divided a loved ones ashes and put small amounts in necklace capsules. My friend's stepmom keeps a bag of her son's ashes in his football helmet that is in his room. But most people I know do that those sort of things in private and at home.
browneyes106
02-12-2009, 12:43 PM
He wasn't reading. He was off the cuff. (Or on the cuff going to second base with it, lol!) Whatever the laptop was there for it wasn't a teleprompter. I hold with my opinion that Casey was "present" and his wrist-macking was in person.
I say again, the jail should not permit a laptop with an aircard in with any attorney unless a prisoner is allowed that kind of access. If a prisoner can't make private phone calls or have unlogged meetings with people, this makes that far too easy to bypass.
I agree the jail shouldn't allow a laptop with an aircard in.
NMurphy02
02-12-2009, 12:52 PM
I agree the jail shouldn't allow a laptop with an aircard in.
on JVM, one of the attornies said the jail would not have wireless access. This is why you have to use a pay phone and that there was no way Casey was watching the memorial.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 01:02 PM
I dont, this guy will/can say anything knowing he wont be held accountable.
It's amazing that so many people are fooled be this phoney con man. It's shamefull that they (HLN) bring this guy on night after night. How is his nightly apperance helping get justice for Caylee? His 15 minutes are long up and he need's to crawl back under the rock he came from.
Bombshell--theres another missing little white girl so i guess that 6 yo little black boy will really get kicked to the curb.
Maybe HLN, NG, JVM and the rest will leave the Anthony's alone and let them grieve the death of their grandchild without the glare of the meida.
I don't like LP either, especially after what he did to TES and how he and Rob handled their scam and the aftermath, but I do think someone in LE must trust him enough to leak information to him. He has gotten better about eating crow when he's wrong. And I do think it's somewhat pathetic that he hung around when he was no longer involved. Then again, according to JVM last night, he (and the private investigators) have been "dragged into" the ZFG civil suit. (Wish we had some details.)
As for the Anthonys and the "glare of the media", they asked for it and they love it. Liars and obfuscators and turncoats that they are. They could have not had a public memorial. They could have not attended the public memorial. They could have made the public memorial ALL about Caylee. But to con as many people as possible (and apparently it worked on a few), they behaved the way that they did.
Gatordog
02-12-2009, 01:52 PM
I dont, this guy will/can say anything knowing he wont be held accountable.
It's amazing that so many people are fooled be this phoney con man. It's shamefull that they (HLN) bring this guy on night after night. How is his nightly apperance helping get justice for Caylee? His 15 minutes are long up and he need's to crawl back under the rock he came from.
Bombshell--theres another missing little white girl so i guess that 6 yo little black boy will really get kicked to the curb.
Maybe HLN, NG, JVM and the rest will leave the Anthony's alone and let them grieve the death of their grandchild without the glare of the meida.
There's the old saying, "the squeeky wheel gets the oil". You can't blame the media for not focusing on Adji because the family is not pushing it. These two missing girls had the media's attention because the family pushed for it. Nobody in Adji's family has been pushing and I haven't seen any of them take to the airwaves or newspapers. It's not right, but that's the way it is. If you don't get aggressive, you won't get the notices. JMO
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Gatordog
02-12-2009, 01:55 PM
on JVM, one of the attornies said the jail would not have wireless access. This is why you have to use a pay phone and that there was no way Casey was watching the memorial.
All states are different. Florida allows attorneys to bring laptops into the jail now. With an aircard, you can pick up the internet. She should have the warden of the jail on if she wants the correct info given out.
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Gatordog
02-12-2009, 01:58 PM
I agree it would be a small amount. It is sort of common for keep ashes in diferent ways. I have known families who have divided a loved ones ashes and put small amounts in necklace capsules. My friend's stepmom keeps a bag of her son's ashes in his football helmet that is in his room. But most people I know do that those sort of things in private and at home.
My ears perked up when George said he had a locket placed on him a few days ago. They make lockets which hold the ashes of the cremated person. Probably put some of the ashes into lockets for everyone. They said that the ashes are not in the house because they're afraid someone would steal them. :shrug:
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Gatordog
02-12-2009, 02:04 PM
I'm pretty certain that this theory is quite a stretch! I watched the video yesterday, and I'll say it was uncomfortable to watch...strange and creepy. WTF is with 'CMA'? Say a name dumbass! Kissing a bracelet? What spectacle!
Anyway, I watched again after reading your theory...I have to disagree with you. It looks like he wrote his speech on his laptop. Why didn't he print it out? Who knows. But he continues to look at the screen until the end when he closes it.
Cindy looking at the screen and smiling? To me it looks like she glances at it every now and then, but also is looking down a lot. It seems that occasionally she smiles in response to what creepLee says.
If Casey was on videoconference with Lee...what about the people standing behind Lee? Are they in on it too?
I think Casey...err...Liar wants nothing to do with any of this. She's done with it. It's over. Caylee is gone and she's already moved on. Watching or even attending any memorial would be a waste of her time.
Lee wouldn't be able to even set anything up with her as far as making arrangements for what software, what time, etc. He'd have to go through Bozo BS Baez and I don't see any cooperation there...and if there was I'm sure Liar would NOT participate, and would later tell Lee some big convoluted story about why Bozos laptop couldn't get a signal or something...
Baez was in the client attorney room for two hours with his laptop and the Liar. She was watching. I am sure that Baez has been passing information on to the family. She may not have been on the screen, but I am very confident that she watched it and that Lee received an email from Baez stating that it was working, which is when he kissed that damn bracelet and started is CMA cr*p. JMO.
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Native Alien
02-12-2009, 02:32 PM
George is in Putnam County now to give support to Hailey's family.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131173&catid=17
Native Alien
02-12-2009, 02:51 PM
The Cummings and the Anthonys are only about 77 miles apart if memory serves me right so they didn't have to travel far. I get the distinct feeling that George might finally be getting his head screwed by on straight. Which would be a good thing for him.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 03:19 PM
Oppps! I forgot to mention the rift between Ted Miller and LP. I read about Miller's terrible ordeal when his daughter went missing. He took it so hard, he wanted to commit suicide and went on a bad bender.
Because of him and people like Walsh and Klass, things have changed regarding LE and missing kids.
Miller waited 3 years for his daughter's remains to be returned. He blames LE for a lot of his pain. Seems they refused to help him when he reported her missing and treated the case as a run away case. So much happened to that man. Google Ted Miller.. unbelievable! It turns out there was a serial killer who abducted a few girls at the same phone booth where he daughter was last seen.
He became an alcoholic, got divorced and in order to go on with his life, he became dedicated to help find missing people. He's no shrinking violet however, and when the Cindy told him to stop looking for Caylee, he said, That isn't happening...he fought her, then ignored her.
Does anyone know why he and LP parted ways? I don't see Miller as the good guy there. He's pretty tuff.
Yes, Miller is the good guy here with not only the good guy reputation, but a track record for reuniting loved ones dead or alive. According to Tim, LP wanted him to help search the Little Econ River so that they would both become media darlings posing with Caylee's skull when she was found. (Paraphrased) Also, LP had a donation link for TES on his website through Paypal. That meant two things: Percentages of donations would be collected for the Paypal transaction, and the donations would not be tax deductible. I'm sure that people realize that payments made through Paypal have a fee deducted, but no where on LP's site was it stated that the donations would not be tax deductible. After that was exposed, Rob (Leonard's partner) made a big stink about refunding peoples' donations, but swore that they would never pay TES a penny of what had been donated.
I don't see finances as Padilla's forte; he spent time in prison for income tax evasion.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 03:20 PM
George is in Putnam County now to give support to Hailey's family.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131173&catid=17
Good for George! (Hope you don't mind if I steal your link for the News Update thread.) Thanks for posting!
Native Alien
02-12-2009, 03:23 PM
I hope you don't mind that I posted it there. I didn't copy any of the article but I did put a title to it.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 03:26 PM
I hope you don't mind that I posted it there. I didn't copy any of the article but I did put a title to it.
No problem! Knowing me, it could have taken days for me to find it online (IF at all)! :seeya:
Native Alien
02-12-2009, 03:35 PM
No problem! Knowing me, it could have taken days for me to find it online (IF at all)! :seeya:
I so know that feeling.
I just figured with snoop off sick that if I can do anything to help I should do it.
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 04:09 PM
The pic of Cindy and the bear was taken a long time ago, about the time of the pics (for People mag?) with her sitting by the bed. The ashes wouldn't have been in it back then, Caylee hadn't even been found.
If one of my children's ashes was in a teddy bear, or even an urn, I can certainly see myself holding on to it, hugging it close, crying, whatever--it's as close as I would ever be to that child. Not that I would necessarily be doing that in public, but certainly in my own home.
My comments on this pertained to their website...they show an infant clutching a bear (presumably filled with ashes)...and a woman hugging one.
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 04:16 PM
I don't know, Big Brother, I mean Google is pretty dedicated on my house. They have updated the satellite view of my area 3 times in the past year. (yeah, I know its not a live feed for heaven's sake)
The thing with the Kissimmee location is, the address doesn't really exist in Google earth, even with street view. It is between two buildings, one of which appears to be a house for sale (unless that is a no trespassing sign) and the other is a bail bonds business. Neither of them have the same address as Baez. The mailbox between them is on a semicircular patch of landscaped lawn that does not appear to have proper dimensions to be built upon. Just curious because I heard his other office was a strip mall and it looked better than that...then I couldn't find the other office...
Point taken...I checked my addy out of curiosity...the satellite picture is at least three years old...the street view? That was taken over the summer or early fall.
...and about the street view? Wow! I hadn't looked at GE lately, and I'm impressed - and/or worried - that they have a street-level view!
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 04:27 PM
Point taken...I checked my addy out of curiosity...the satellite picture is at least three years old...the street view? That was taken over the summer or early fall.
...and about the street view? Wow! I hadn't looked at GE lately, and I'm impressed - and/or worried - that they have a street-level view!
Google Earth and Google Maps both have my address wrong, which is okay with me. (Just in case any whack job frenemies are looking for me. :hat: ) None of my neighborhood shows "street view". Which is either a benefit or drawback of living in BFE, depending on how you look at it.
joekuhl79
02-12-2009, 04:30 PM
He wasn't reading. He was off the cuff. (Or on the cuff going to second base with it, lol!) Whatever the laptop was there for it wasn't a teleprompter. I hold with my opinion that Casey was "present" and his wrist-macking was in person.
I say again, the jail should not permit a laptop with an aircard in with any attorney unless a prisoner is allowed that kind of access. If a prisoner can't make private phone calls or have unlogged meetings with people, this makes that far too easy to bypass.
Come On!!!
He reads a line, looks down...reads a line, looks down...
Now, I don't know for sure, but if LE at the jail would not let an inmate use a cell phone, they are not going to allow (or be ignorant of) a laptop that's online. To do that, Liar or Beaz would have to configure the wireless to hookup to the jails network, and I'm sure the jails routers are secured, and I'm sure that they are not going to give an inmate the key! The other option would be an aircard or whatnot, and that is pretty obvious sticking out of the PCCard slot or even a USB port.
Bottom line is I don't think the jail would allow it or be oblivious to it...
Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 05:10 PM
Hey, somebody on another site pointed this out...
You know that big teddy bear that Cindy has been carrying around and the bear that was next to the candle and photo of Casey and Caylee at the memorial? ........
http://www.huggableurns.com/gallery.htm
I think Caylee might have been at the memorial.
Of all things! I think you may be right! What a sweet, beautiful thing for a child's ashes.
Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 05:18 PM
One talking head on JVM said a mouthful, "this case has turned into a circus" and is he right! Now we have talking heads comparing the OJ and MJ trials with CA's trial, aka the next "trial of the century" and this makes me sick to my stomach. Now Baez the tool, wants to have the DA removed from the case because some broad comes forward 13 years later and claims she was coerced into lying about a subject that later was convicted of murder and got life by said prosecutor and I am curious about something. Why would she do this? Baez looking up his prior caseload? Trying to find dirt under the rug? My speculation, I would not put it past him, he oozes sleaze in his Armani suits and $100 haircut, he is gonna play dirty pool and I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass and he ends up disbarred!!! A lot of lawyers always dream of the "big case" that puts them on the map and he is one of them, he loves the camera, and he is no F. Lee Bailey much as he thinks he is.
I hope that his sleaziness does not let this skank get a lesser sentence than LWPOP or DP, I do not want this ***** to ever get out, I want her to rot in PC, or on death row till they flip a switch or she dies 60 years from now in her cell. And tonight on NG, fingerprints found on duct tape is possibly hers and I am thinking they are probably hers and how is Baez gonna spin that one? Her actions, words and lack of anything but herself is gonna hang her and her parents have to get their head out of their asses and refuse to stand behind her, maybe if they did that, and she finds herself totally alone and nobody believing the crap that spewed from her mouth, maybe she would come clean and tell the truth, but as long as Baez and C&G continue to enable her, she is loving every minute of the attention most sociopaths do, even being in jail does not faze her, she is getting creature comforts, canteen, able to watch TV, has a radio, can read magazines and books, drink designer water and eat snacks and content to let everyone do her dirty work for her.
I have a feeling Baez is convinced she is innocent despite how she is and for all we know he might have a crush on her, they sure spend a lot of time together and the trial is months or a year down the pike. As for C&G they are lost causes despite the fact the child is confirmed dead, found just down the road in an area CA played as a child, the remains were in bags the way she used to bury pets, items found were confirmed to be C's like the Winnie the Pooh blanket which came as a set, I remember buying a similar one for my goddaughter, from the sheets to the mobile in her crib it came as a set even with curtains and the blanket was not in the house when they searched the first time and then it is found with C, so Baez is gonna have a lot to disprove and also this is beyond circumstantial evidence, they have the body, they have the car, they have the duct tape, they have the jailhouse tapes, statements from several people, FBI and Orange County interview tapes, where I am sitting she is going down.
I would say he comes a lot closer to Beetle Bailey, but don't want to insult Beetle.:D:biggrin::D
Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 05:29 PM
Nothing this family does makes sense. And none of these attorneys seem to be able to corral them.
I really don't get why Lee made his "unified" speech. He doesn't seem to give a rat's patootie about Caylee. Did he even say her name? How is the family unified if all that matters to him is Casey? While he was speaking, Mallory was nodding in agreement. Glad she gets him. :confused: I sure don't.
I agree. I have tried to analyze it and still don't get it. He says the family is unified and they deserve the truth. Did you notice he said, "those of US who know the truth..."? So, I decided he's demanding Casey tell the truth.
Then, he starts with, "Our family is incomplete", and goes into that crazy CMA speech, which with what G & C said, sounds like they are all behind her.
So, who knows? He just seems so horribly angry and his eyes look so dead.
I just cant see Liar viewing the service without Bozo wanting it out there in the press. It only made her look worse in the public eye but not making an official request. It's my guess Bozo advised her to make the request but we all know Liar is in the driver's seat and does what she wants. She has moved on and could care less about a memorial. She could have easily viewed it and turned on the tears etc. She just chose not to. MOO
I can see Baez not wanting in known that he provided the access for Casey to watch the memorial--if he did. Cuz the court order was for him to be able to take his laptop in because of all the information already there, I am assuming in Words or Office or Documents or whatever. NOT to have internet access to anything. It makes sense that she didn't ask to watch TV for that time if Baez already had it planned to provide it for her. But, I'm betting they didn't ASK, and people @ the jail probably didn't think about it. I don't know air card from sims card except one must be computer, and the other is cell phone. Like someone said, the people running the jail should probably keep updated on knew technology to prevent prisoners and attorneys to do things like this--things that haven't been addressed yet.
That being said, Casey very well might have told Mr Baez to turn off the computer, or used it play games, or whatever--who knows if she really wanted to see the memorial? Unless someone got word to her that the family would be "talking to her" during it. That might raise her curiosity, it being about HER, afterall.
Zingo
02-12-2009, 05:45 PM
George is in Putnam County now to give support to Hailey's family.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131173&catid=17
Thanks for posting this, N.A. I briefly saw George on CNN. I am so proud of him for doing this. He is amazing. God forbid I would ever have to go through anything close to the pain the Anthony's have suffered. But I would pray to have the kind of strength to rise above my own tragedy and reach out to others in similar situations, just as George is doing in this other sad missing child case. (I pray they find little Haleigh soon.)
But God bless George. I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't finding a life path for himself, in the same vein as Klaas and Walsh??? Obviously, the details in little Caylee's case are different: being that she wasn't abducted by a stranger, I wonder if that will hinder George's ability or willingness to be a victim's rights' advocate? And if Casey is convicted, how can George continue his advocacy for missing children? Maybe he could support causes that provide assistance and education for young, single mothers????
Whatever happens, I have gained great respect for someone who just weeks ago thought about ending his life ... and who is now using his notoreity to help another family. I would hope he could also help little Adji's family.
Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 05:48 PM
Is it just me? I can see keeping an urn of ashes, or even a teddy bear urn of ashes - but to carry it around and hug it or play with it?
Well, I can see it as being a little macabe (sp) but I look at it as something to fill those empty, empty arms.
Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 05:58 PM
The pic of Cindy and the bear was taken a long time ago, about the time of the pics (for People mag?) with her sitting by the bed. The ashes wouldn't have been in it back then, Caylee hadn't even been found.
If one of my children's ashes was in a teddy bear, or even an urn, I can certainly see myself holding on to it, hugging it close, crying, whatever--it's as close as I would ever be to that child. Not that I would necessarily be doing that in public, but certainly in my own home.
When one of my friend's husband died, she kept his urn on her bedside table and talked to it like he was there. It brought her a lot of comfort. We all grieve in our own way.
Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 06:07 PM
Hopefully the next doc. dump will be soon. I think we will see some activity on LE's part after the private funeral. MOO
Speaking of which, wasn't there a request for Lee's DNA to be compared to Caylee's in the last dump? IIRC no results were there. There may not be a private funeral since the remains were cremated. If the ashes arein that bear, they may keep it in the home.
I have all 4 of my cats in a beautiful japanese urn..My dad wanted to be sprinkled over my grandma & grandpa graves ~ so that's what he got.
It's messed up when there's no one to talk to though,you know?
According to some of my sisters, Daddy wants to be cremated. That's because he is worried about costs, and this is the cheapest way to go. I don't know what he wants DONE with his ashes, if he has even tho't about it.
I was thinking, if either of my kids died, I think something like a teddy bear, something soft and warm, would be wonderful--I just can't imagine never getting to hold and hug them ever again--and while it wouldn't be the same, it'd be far more comforting than to hug an urn, or sit @ a headstone in a cemetery.
eatcupcakes
02-12-2009, 06:15 PM
My ears perked up when George said he had a locket placed on him a few days ago. They make lockets which hold the ashes of the cremated person. Probably put some of the ashes into lockets for everyone. They said that the ashes are not in the house because they're afraid someone would steal them. :shrug:
Gator
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Justice Denied?
02-12-2009, 06:20 PM
FANTASTIC! Thanks, NA.
WOW! Good for him!
I am so proud of George. This is just what he needs - to feel needed!
beachbum
02-12-2009, 06:23 PM
I have read several things on cremation and cremation for children. I have been trying to convince my husband that is what I want but he disagrees but that is why I have spent alot of time reading articles and etc and its been noted that when children are cremated-it allows the family to keep the remains with them(maybe even to a degee of feeling safe)--or in case they move they can take the urn with them(by the way I love the little bear urn). Otherwise if they are buried, they cant take them with them. It still allows them to be close is what I guess Im trying to say. But good Lord I hope they do not let Casey have her to keep in her jail cell. Surely they wouldnt.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 06:45 PM
I would say he comes a lot closer to Beetle Bailey, but don't want to insult Beetle.:D:biggrin::D
LMAO So Baez went to St. Thomas U because he couldn't pass the IQ test to get into the military?
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 06:48 PM
Thanks for posting this, N.A. I briefly saw George on CNN. I am so proud of him for doing this. He is amazing. God forbid I would ever have to go through anything close to the pain the Anthony's have suffered. But I would pray to have the kind of strength to rise above my own tragedy and reach out to others in similar situations, just as George is doing in this other sad missing child case. (I pray they find little Haleigh soon.)
But God bless George. I'm beginning to wonder if he isn't finding a life path for himself, in the same vein as Klaas and Walsh??? Obviously, the details in little Caylee's case are different: being that she wasn't abducted by a stranger, I wonder if that will hinder George's ability or willingness to be a victim's rights' advocate? And if Casey is convicted, how can George continue his advocacy for missing children? Maybe he could support causes that provide assistance and education for young, single mothers????
Whatever happens, I have gained great respect for someone who just weeks ago thought about ending his life ... and who is now using his notoreity to help another family. I would hope he could also help little Adji's family.
I hope George remains under the care of a physician and some sort of psychotherapist. With all the questions in Caylee's case, I can see that he could easily be overwhelmed. But I can also see him wanting to have a therapeutic outlet. Godspeed
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 06:53 PM
Uh Oh!!! Nawny stands corrected! THank you for that info. :beer:
That bastid!
I'm such a gullible fool.
Not trying to say that LP is a bad guy. (Not totally anyway.) But Miller is on the record (Nancy Grace show, not sure of the date) with his allegations about the sideshow that Leonard proposed. David Lohr investigated the TES donation link and reported at thedailybs.com. Rob Dick (aptly named) made comments in several venues.
lorettalockhorn
02-12-2009, 06:56 PM
I have all 4 of my cats in a beautiful japanese urn..My dad wanted to be sprinkled over my grandma & grandpa graves ~ so that's what he got.
It's messed up when there's no one to talk to though,you know?
My mother is buried down in the valley about two miles as the crow flies. I stand at the kitchen sink, wash dishes, and talk to her all the time!
SaraSidle
02-12-2009, 08:06 PM
I have read several things on cremation and cremation for children. I have been trying to convince my husband that is what I want but he disagrees but that is why I have spent alot of time reading articles and etc and its been noted that when children are cremated-it allows the family to keep the remains with them(maybe even to a degee of feeling safe)--or in case they move they can take the urn with them(by the way I love the little bear urn). Otherwise if they are buried, they cant take them with them. It still allows them to be close is what I guess Im trying to say. But good Lord I hope they do not let Casey have her to keep in her jail cell. Surely they wouldnt.
Good point beachbum. We as a family talked about how we should not take up so much space as a decompsing body at such a high rate and cremation is so much easier and cheaper and you can travel with the ashes. IMO sara
deacon
02-12-2009, 08:39 PM
I also want to be cremated. I told my husband to find me a nice urn like the cats. I want to be above the fireplace. This way, I could be close and Watch everything that's going on.............never know when you might need to step back in and straighten someone/thing out, if you know what I mean! ;)
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Hah, I told my wife to have me scattered in a place I love dearly. Sparkleberry Swamp. I loved to fish in that place. Looks like the Everglades. One of the most beautiful places I have ever been and listen.............. Not a sound to be heard but the bull frogs and birds. Cool
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beachbum
02-12-2009, 08:55 PM
Hah, I told my wife to have me scattered in a place I love dearly. Sparkleberry Swamp. I loved to fish in that place. Looks like the Everglades. One of the most beautiful places I have ever been and listen.............. Not a sound to be heard but the bull frogs and birds. Cool
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My parents died when I was in my early 20's a couple years apart. Do you know how hard it is on kids to go make those decisions? Well it was very hard for me--the casket, the clothing, the service.....but the clothing and casket were the hardest for me---that is why I dont want my family to have to go thru that with me. I also fear the bugs and worms that will over take my decomposing body. I think cremation is cleaner. JMO
deacon
02-12-2009, 09:04 PM
My parents died when I was in my early 20's a couple years apart. Do you know how hard it is on kids to go make those decisions? Well it was very hard for me--the casket, the clothing, the service.....but the clothing and casket were the hardest for me---that is why I dont want my family to have
to go thru that with me. I also fear the bugs and worms that will over take my decomposing body. I think cremation is cleaner. JMO
Yes I do. I've had to do it twice. When my dad died my sister and mother were so broken up they couldn't even go in the room to pick out the casket. I had to do it by myself at the ripe old age of 21. Boy, did that hurt. but someone had to do it and i know my dad would have wanted me to do it for them.
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:26 PM
Baez was in the client attorney room for two hours with his laptop and the Liar. She was watching. I am sure that Baez has been passing information on to the family. She may not have been on the screen, but I am very confident that she watched it and that Lee received an email from Baez stating that it was working, which is when he kissed that damn bracelet and started is CMA cr*p. JMO.
Gator
ITA, Gator! At the very least she was watching. And who knows what other shenanigans she's been up to through e-mail and stuff on other laptop-assisted visits. I personally am sure she has been in personal contact with Lee.
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:31 PM
Point taken...I checked my addy out of curiosity...the satellite picture is at least three years old...the street view? That was taken over the summer or early fall.
...and about the street view? Wow! I hadn't looked at GE lately, and I'm impressed - and/or worried - that they have a street-level view!
Its creepy! You can see one of my kids in the window. But at least it is low res enough you can't read my license plates. But still...creepy knowing some Beetle was out trolling our neighborhood with a camera array...
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:37 PM
Come On!!!
He reads a line, looks down...reads a line, looks down...
Now, I don't know for sure, but if LE at the jail would not let an inmate use a cell phone, they are not going to allow (or be ignorant of) a laptop that's online. To do that, Liar or Beaz would have to configure the wireless to hookup to the jails network, and I'm sure the jails routers are secured, and I'm sure that they are not going to give an inmate the key! The other option would be an aircard or whatnot, and that is pretty obvious sticking out of the PCCard slot or even a USB port.
Bottom line is I don't think the jail would allow it or be oblivious to it...
Dude, I drive around and get access to random wifi. I have a built-in aircard, its not visible at all. Who needs the jail's network? I sat down at a cafe this afternoon and had my pick of 5 unsecured airport connections. I picked the one with the cutest name. I think they are oblivious, but if they are not...what are they going to do, subpoena JBs internet activity and computers? Its privileged.
No computers with wireless should be allowed in the jail. Who's it going to hurt if they stop it? Violators. If no ones violating, who cares?
deacon
02-12-2009, 09:37 PM
Man, you know I keep on seeing him (in my head) saying that and doing that kissing the bracelet s**t, that is so hinky dammit, and C & G are stading there looking like 'yes, yes Lee' .
I don't know what part of Lee's actions was worse ~ him not saying Caylee's name once or that s**t he spouted.
I hope that LE knows something we don't when it comes to that brother & sister, something they can use, because it is sickening.
I read on another board that some results were put out today and casey's prints were found on the stuff from the burial site.
Has anyone else heard that or did I just miss something today? I have been traveling so I may have missed it, or it is full of *bunk*
deacon
02-12-2009, 09:40 PM
Dude, I drive around and get access to random wifi. I have a built-in aircard, its not visible at all. Who needs the jail's network? I sat down at a cafe this afternoon and had my pick of 5 unsecured airport connections. I picked the one with the cutest name. I think they are oblivious, but if they are not...what are they going to do, subpoena JBs internet activity and computers? Its privileged.
No computers with wireless should be allowed in the jail. Who's it going to hurt if they stop it? Violators. If no ones violating, who cares?
actually, if they suspect it, they could monitor his ACCESS, not CONTENT, but ACCESS. His access is not privileged. (I think)
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:41 PM
Speaking of which, wasn't there a request for Lee's DNA to be compared to Caylee's in the last dump? IIRC no results were there. There may not be a private funeral since the remains were cremated. If the ashes arein that bear, they may keep it in the home.
Yes, the request was there. And no, the results weren't released. There were about 40 (?) pages missing from the release, so it may have been in that section, or maybe they weren't done yet.
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:47 PM
My parents died when I was in my early 20's a couple years apart. Do you know how hard it is on kids to go make those decisions? Well it was very hard for me--the casket, the clothing, the service.....but the clothing and casket were the hardest for me---that is why I dont want my family to have to go thru that with me. I also fear the bugs and worms that will over take my decomposing body. I think cremation is cleaner. JMO
My dad died on a February 13. It was a Friday 13th too. I spent Valentine's Day shopping for clothes to bury him in. I don't like Valentine's Day. I prefer cremation, I think. Less hard stuff for the family to deal with. Except for what to do with the ashes.
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:49 PM
actually, if they suspect it, they could monitor his ACCESS, not CONTENT, but ACCESS. His access is not privileged. (I think)
Good point. I hope they are on top of it.
javahog
02-12-2009, 09:53 PM
What the...!?
Baez fired "Todd Black" and hired a new media representative...but "Todd Black's" people refuse to stop representing Baez??????
This is freaking insane. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-jose-baez-spokesman-021209,0,7645989.story
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