Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Native Alien]

The most that CA's attorney can admit is naivete, and there is no need to admit to any drug use unless it can be proven by the prosecution. Any admissions place responsibility back in her lap.

And I think this is exactly why we can read everyone's statement but Annie Dowling's. I think that Annie Dowling, who is on the State's witness lists, both the original and the revised, can go there. I believe that Annie is the one that can testify that she sold Casey Xanax, and for how long she had been selling them to Casey.

[Justice Denied?]

Mostly I hear the A's attorney (probably @ Cindy's behest) going on about Casey getting to go, getting to view, etc etc etc. Has Jose even mentioned this? He seems to be too busy whining about discrimination and Son of Sam deals to actually discuss the case, or Casey. Wonder if Cindy is the one who wants Casey there (or to view) because she thinks every mother should be able to attend/view her daughter's funeral. Or, if she thinks CASEY might be wanting this. Or, if she thinks--you HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!!!!

It seems, when Conway was telling any reporter that would stop him in the street about wanting to have Casey and the A's have a private, in person memorial @ the jail, and making it sound like there has been petitions for it to happen---Orange County says, there had been NO REQUEST for this. So, the spin goes on for days about letting her watch via video, and again,--NO REQUEST has been made--so why make it sound like OCSO is the big bad wolf in this?

Sounds like it's all one-sided on Cindy's part, and Casey really doesn't give a pig's patoot about going, meeting, viewing--ANYTHING to do with laying her baby to rest. IMO

I agree it's all Cindy. She want to do what looks best to the media and the peple outside. Got to keep up apearances after all.

[lorettalockhorn]

And I think this is exactly why we can read everyone's statement but Annie Dowling's. I think that Annie Dowling, who is on the State's witness lists, both the original and the revised, can go there. I believe that Annie is the one that can testify that she sold Casey Xanax, and for how long she had been selling them to Casey.

Yep, I think Xannie Annie is a hold back for The State. Of course if she has a record as long as your arm, it will be her word against Casey's, and if she made a deal with the prosecution the defense will try to make that her motivation for testimony. But in the end everyone's lies added together will never amount to Casey's fabrications.

[SaraSidle]

Hey OS! I put on a splash of Joy, jumped into my land yacht and went to the ciggy store where I paid $39.00/carton, and also bought a bag of Cheetos. (Wish The Liar would go on a DIET!! I'm so easily influenced by y'all making fun of her snack choices!) Man, I hate going to town. I always get stuck in traffic on the bridge and just want to jump out of my car and run. Plus the semis are always pulling out in front of me forcing me to make obscene gestures. Kinda kills my buzz.

So, want some Cheetos?

I will take some cigs loretta

[Justice Denied?]

That was so kind of u Loretta to make an attempt. So if i am understanding u correctly u are making a direct donation to the shelter she is in? if thats the case message me where to send it to. Count me in. And yes i think we should start some public acknowledgment for this poor woman and her children. I will start sending emails to the shows covering the story. Good gawd if the woman who just had now a total of 14 kids gets offers surely to god poor Zaneida can get some help. You dont see her peddaling her story to anyone who will listen. That lady has alot of self respect. Anybody else have any other ideas as to how we can help this woman and her children. It makes me nuts that Liar is noshing on snacks that Zaneida cant even buy for her children. Somebody need to step up to the plate and give that woman a decent job so she can provide for her children. Yes we all need to do this. One more good thing that can come from a bad thing. Good for you Loretta :rose:

I will also send something. If it was sent in care of her attorney, would it go for her personal use? I realize the shelter probably takes what she receives for her support. I would like for her to have the money, not the shelter.

[browneyes106]

Personally I prefer for my donations to be anonymous. But I have wondered if people donate to the Casey Pork Rind Fund just to hear Nancy announce their names on air.

I think they do they just want a little fame. But I wonder why they would give money to someone like Casey just so she can buy snacks and stuff. I have heard of prisons in other countries in which the prisoners only receive 2 meals a day. The U.S. jail and prison systems are stricter than systems in other countries but there are countries that are far more stricter than here.

[browneyes106]

Excellent writing! You need to get offf the computer and start your first novel or TV movie script. Onne thing about these stories, they are both fiction, although I believe the "Fugitive" program was based on a real story.

The Fugitive was largely based on The Sam Sheppard case. In real life many people believed he was innocent. After reading a lot of info on the case I really believe Sheppard was innocent. Linda Kenney Badan is basically trying to compare Casey to Sheppard. At Sheppard's trial he had 18 character witnesses and 2 witnesses that seen a suspicious man near the Sheppard home. I doubt Casey would have even have 1 character witness and so far nobody has meet or seen Zanny. The Fugitve tv shows they based the Richard Kimble character on Sam Sheppard. The character was a doctor that specilalized in pediatrics and other aspects were changed. The character's wife wasn't pregnant and the man who killed her had one arm. The movie followed the same plot too. Back in 2000-2001 there was a remake of the 60's show on CBS.The remake was modernized in a lot of ways. In the remake the Richard Kimble character gained support through websites and
people who believed he was innocent and he would get tips from website about his wife's killer. Episodes of the remake show are on AOL but the AOL video site is undergoing maintainence.

[lorettalockhorn]

I will also send something. If it was sent in care of her attorney, would it go for her personal use? I realize the shelter probably takes what she receives for her support. I would like for her to have the money, not the shelter.

Not sure JD if the donations at the John Morgan site go to her or to her defense. There is a link to click to donate using a credit card or paypal. I suppose you could send cash or check or money order directly to his mailing address c/o Morgan or Mitnik. I don't know what kind of shelter she's in; if she's there for protection, it may not matter what her income is. Other shelters might have some sort of income limit. But since she's not working, surely she doesn't exceed it. Maybe Morgan doles out her donations like an allowance so she is in compliance.

Even if Morgan and Mitnik are charging Zenaida a fee, I guess if she doesn't mind the $$ going to her defense fund, I shouldn't either. I just wish that the link at http://www.forthepeople.com/Zenaida_Gonzalez_Defamation_Suit.htm specified if it's a defense fund.

OS, if Kathy Belich said it's pro bono, I believe it!

[Justice Denied?]

Personally I think KC and Baez are dispicable enough to use 2A. But none of the above will work. They might as well say Caylee was taken by Alliens, KC was high in the Park at night and she saw then come and take Caylee and there was nothing she could do. She was sure no one would believe her because she has a history of lying so she made up the ZFG story thinking that was more believeable. Now this story I am sure the jury will buy, don't you. LOL

I think we have just discovered the perfect defense for Casey with the alien story. With her new lawyer she should get off scott free, or do lwop, one or the other.:D

[Justice Denied?]

I would think that the judge can order future earnings to be placed in escrow to pay damages if ZFG wins her suit.

Loretta,

My thinking was that Casey would get the money right away and use it to pay her attorney. In other words, not FUTURE earnings because she will have them before the ZFG case goes to court. So, could the judge order a "hold" put on the money to prevent Baez getting it?

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta,

My thinking was that Casey would get the money right away and use it to pay her attorney. In other words, not FUTURE earnings because she will have them before the ZFG case goes to court. So, could the judge order a "hold" put on the money to prevent Baez getting it?

Yes, I think the judge can possibly order any of Casey's earnings from "this day forward" into an escrow account. Surely Mitnik will make some sort of motion if it's a possibility.

[Justice Denied?]

The Fugitive was largely based on The Sam Sheppard case. In real life many people believed he was innocent. After reading a lot of info on the case I really believe Sheppard was innocent. Linda Kenney Badan is basically trying to compare Casey to Sheppard. At Sheppard's trial he had 18 character witnesses and 2 witnesses that seen a suspicious man near the Sheppard home. I doubt Casey would have even have 1 character witness and so far nobody has meet or seen Zanny. The Fugitve tv shows they based the Richard Kimble character on Sam Sheppard. The character was a doctor that specilalized in pediatrics and other aspects were changed. The character's wife wasn't pregnant and the man who killed her had one arm. The movie followed the same plot too. Back in 2000-2001 there was a remake of the 60's show on CBS.The remake was modernized in a lot of ways. In the remake the Richard Kimble character gained support through websites and
people who believed he was innocent and he would get tips from website about his wife's killer. Episodes of the remake show are on AOL but the AOL video site is undergoing maintainence.

Thanks, that really refreshed my memory. I could remember the name Sam Sheppard but none of the details. Just been too long and I, like some of the others here have CRS disease.

[Gatordog]

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's fictional employoment, and indeed, of Casey's actual employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to sell pictures of her dead daughter and send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.


That's exactly what I thought. Sounds like the Gypsies took her. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char144.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

So that means Gator is on the outside looking in.................





















































with LP!!!!!!! http://i34.tinypic.com/dcroz.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/984v80.jpg

Seriously, don't you wonder after all this time what Cindy's problem with him is?

LOL Okay by me. Gator and the Man In Black http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-042.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

[Gatordog]

As George says, Cindy has a problem with anyone that doesn't think or believe the way that she does. She has lost her granddaughter and now, as a mother, she is fighting for the life of her daughter.

While as a human being, I don't agree with what she is doing, as a mother, I do understand it to a certain point. But I also know that my daughters both know that I will not lie for them.

My youngest daughter has been asking about the things that are brought up in this case lately. Like she has asked me over the last two days, if as a single parent, the thought of killing either of them ever crossed my mind. I really had to think about it for a minute or two. They are both young adults now.

What I said to her was that as a young ( teenage) mother, I did have thoughts about what my life would have been like had I not had them, as in given them up for adoption or even aborted them both, but not once can I remember thinking about killing either of them.

That's a very honest answer and I give you credit for being so responsible. It's easy to lie, but you teach the wrong thing. Cindy brought up her children in a web of lies. See where that got her.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL Okay by me. Gator and the Man In Black http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-042.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

Looks good to me! :tongue:

[Gatordog]

ITA I watch NG because here in the great white north it's the only way I can watch what's happening, but there are times NG makes me so mad I have to switch the channel. I like Mike and it seems the guests are more at ease when he is on.

Mike lets people talk and explain themselves.

Gator

[Native Alien]

That's a very honest answer and I give you credit for being so responsible. It's easy to lie, but you teach the wrong thing. Cindy brought up her children in a web of lies. See where that got her.

Gator

My dad used to tell other people to ask me if I had done something. They would look at him like he was out of his mind. He told them that if they asked me if I did something that I would be honest about it. Part of that goes to his credit. He always taught us to be honest. We got in less trouble if we did something wrong and owned up to doing it.

As a result it was only natural that I brought up my girls the same way. My youngest used to tell her friends that it really didn't matter what she did, (which it did matter), but the bigger issue was for her to be honest about it.

I think that it is very important to teach self responsibility and self accountability to children. And the way that they learn best is by example.

[Gatordog]

I was just bumbling around this morning online and came across this one.

http://www.leonardpadilla.net/news

Leonard also continues to work on the Anthony case and devotes time in his daily schedule for investigating suspicious information and events in the matter. Leonard has developed an unfortunate lead in the case and is currently working to verify the truth of witness statements made in the media.

Any ideas what lead he is working on?

I know that he talked about ZFG being in a woman's shelter and her plight on NG last evening. I also saw where he said that he is the only one on the can not attend list for Caylee's Memorial Service.

Just a guess but it sounds like missing woman, Jennifer Kresse.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

My dad used to tell other people to ask me if I had done something. They would look at him like he was out of his mind. He told them that if they asked me if I did something that I would be honest about it. Part of that goes to his credit. He always taught us to be honest. We got in less trouble if we did something wrong and owned up to doing it.

As a result it was only natural that I brought up my girls the same way. My youngest used to tell her friends that it really didn't matter what she did, (which it did matter), but the bigger issue was for her to be honest about it.

I think that it is very important to teach self responsibility and self accountability to children. And the way that they learn best is by example.

Your Dad was right!

Which reminds me that once I caught My Little Love in something (don't even remember what); he admitted it after his first finagling didn't pan out. He said "yeah I did it, but don't know why I did it, and I would appreciate it if you didn't explain it to me." I think he was about eight years old. Old enough to dread my armchair psychologist analysis. LOL

[Gatordog]

Hi Gator, I'm bacl the little break did me good. I went to see a really cute movie yesterday, New In Town, with Renee Z and that hunk Harry Conick, Jr. It was uplifting and funny that is what I needed. Murder is heavy stuff espically when it's of a little innocent child.

What I don't understand why she only talks about this case. She could give 15 minutes of each show to this case and then go on to all the other missing children. Their is a little black boy missing in Fl, she could be giving more time to that or Stacy Peterson, putting some pressure on Drew. She is going to Bombshell herself right off the air. JVM is a better show in my opinion, more diverse.

I guess she gives the people what they want. She went off of the Caylee story a while back and I imagine that prople complained. As for the Stacy Peterson case, I could not wait for her to get off of that story. I was sick of it. Sometimes, people put themselves into bad situations knowing full well the consequences.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I'm sure with Lenny on the job, it'll soon be ironed out. (I wonder if LE takes him seriously. It's so hard to tell what's up with him. He seems to know things, or at least think he does. Then again, there's so much hot air there.)

People just want to know the truth.

Perhaps he's following up on George's statement to GVS that he saw Caylee and Casey on the 16th.

Gator

[lissyanne1]

Just to put myself in the Ants' shoes for a minute; I'd be pretty irate simply for the reason that he goes on NG and insists that Lee is Caylee's father. But you've got to admit that it's strange that as irascible as the whole lot of them are, they haven't sued LP for slander/libel.

Popping in from lurking, ITA with your point. I would think that since they obtained Lee's dna and compared to Caylees that Lee or at least someone in the family, having to know that this rumor is swirling around hasn't ask that the police come out and clear him as not being the father. I would certainly do that.

[Gatordog]

Amy, the comparison is that She is Hated like Hitler or OBL, and that is not fair, as she is innocent until proven guilty, and has been tried and considered guilty by the public because of media hype.

Too much Casey kool -aide I guess.

I have a question that someone must have the answer to. Is it "innocent until proven guilty" or "presumed innocent until proven guilty". To me, there's a difference.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Honestly don't know if Morgan and Mitnik are working for no fee. Maybe I can find that somewhere.

Morgan was on local news and stated his office was doing this probono.

Gator

First I typed Probobo, but that would be a Baez case. :tongue:

[Gatordog]

Yeah you're probably right, I want to help to but I was hoping it could go directly to ZG for her and the kids to hopefully help them raise the money to get a place. I don't know how things are run there but here my cousin could only stay for 6 weeks. I'd rather my donation go to that than attorney fees if at all possible.

I bet Leonard Padilla would help in getting the money to her.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a question that someone must have the answer to. Is it "innocent until proven guilty" or "presumed innocent until proven guilty". To me, there's a difference.

Gator

I'll take Presumed for $1000.

INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF - The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/i047.htm

This is interesting:

...According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the presumption of the innocence of a criminal defendant is best described as an assumption of innocence that is indulged in the absence of contrary evidence...

http://law.jrank.org/pages/9362/Presumption-Innocence.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Morgan was on local news and stated his office was doing this probono.

Gator

First I typed Probobo, but that would be a Baez case. :tongue:

Thanks for the heads up!

hehehe Pro Bozo defense=Jose Baez

[lorettalockhorn]

Perhaps he's following up on George's statement to GVS that he saw Caylee and Casey on the 16th.

Gator

Doesn't LP have another online chat coming up? Maybe he will answer some of these questions fully. Still want to know the deelio on the hotel story. Like when was it?!

[lorettalockhorn]

Did I win anything???!!! I just read Loretta's post !

Jello shots all the way around on me!!!

Woohoo! I don't quite understand Jello shots, but can they be vodka and hold the Jello? :hat:

Thats what i was wondering. On monday when i have more time and energy i am going to fire off emails to anyone who covered the story. LP must have a website? All we can do is try.

There's a link up above^^^. It's leonardpadilla.net

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the link Loretta-yes u must give leroy a jello shooter. I've never made them but have had them-they are popular at Stag and Doe's up here. :beer:

I found a link that perfectly describes how to make them. Leroy would prefer to have just Jello, and I would prefer to have just vodka! :hat:

[Twinners]

Evening all! I hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend! I've spent a little time tonight reading some of the earlier stuff from the case and I must admit, I may be more confused now than ever. It's amazing how much info has changed over the course of this investigation.

Anyway, in reading Cindy's initial statement over, I noticed she said Casey's reason for not letting her talk to Caylee is because she was afraid it would upset her (Caylee). Of course, we all know the real reason why she wouldn't now, but I think that simple statement tells a lot about the relationship between Caylee & Cindy. She was obviously very close to her, which probably drove Casey crazy, especially if Caylee asked for her "nan" when Casey had her away from home. IMO, her attachment to her "nan" was probably the one thing Casey hated in her daughter. That attachment and Casey's jealousy over their relationship on the whole is probably why she killed her. I find that so sad!

Oh, I didn't have a chance to mention it in the other thread, but I wanted to say that I'm very much against Casey being allowed to buy anything from the jail commissary. All the evidence I've seen points to her killing her daughter. As such, I don't think she should be afforded ANY of the comforts (or pork rinds!) the commissary (or life) has to offer. IMO, she should have a very basic life. Sometimes I wonder if even that isn't too good for her after all the lives she's destroyed.

Speaking of all the lives that have been destroyed, thanks for all who replied to my ZFG post the other day. I did not realize, until I read the info from all of you, that she had lost so much as a result of what had happened. I guess I thought people would be more sympathetic to her than anything else, simply because they know Casey lied about "the nanny".

In reading through the documents tonight, I saw the guest card from Sawgrass Apartments that was turned over to the police. There are actually two copies of it in there. On one of them, the "Z" is missing from the end of ZFG's last name. Seems odd. I guess it may have inadvertently been whited out one one of them, though I can't imagine why it would be. They are exactly the same otherwise. I also noticed ZFG only has two children. For some reason, I thought she had six. See why I'm reading documents again! LOL.

Anyway, a couple of other things I noticed re: ZFG. The apartment manager said they'd been unable to follow up on the apartment with ZFG because the phone number she'd given them had been disconnected. Then, on the affidavit she gave police on July 16th, ZFG's address is listed as a room at the Motel Six. Not sure why, but that seemed strange to me.

One last thing about ZFG. I realized the guest card doesn't list her full name. It's just Zenaida Gonzalez. I assumed Casey came up with the full name of "the nanny" from the guest card, but I guess not. Has anyone tossed out any ideas on where she may have gotten it from then?

[lighthousedazy]

Evening all! I hope everyone is having a wonderful weekend! I've spent a little time tonight reading some of the earlier stuff from the case and I must admit, I may be more confused now than ever. It's amazing how much info has changed over the course of this investigation.

Anyway, in reading Cindy's initial statement over, I noticed she said Casey's reason for not letting her talk to Caylee is because she was afraid it would upset her (Caylee). Of course, we all know the real reason why she wouldn't now, but I think that simple statement tells a lot about the relationship between Caylee & Cindy. She was obviously very close to her, which probably drove Casey crazy, especially if Caylee asked for her "nan" when Casey had her away from home. IMO, her attachment to her "nan" was probably the one thing Casey hated in her daughter. That attachment and Casey's jealousy over their relationship on the whole is probably why she killed her. I find that so sad!

Oh, I didn't have a chance to mention it in the other thread, but I wanted to say that I'm very much against Casey being allowed to buy anything from the jail commissary. All the evidence I've seen points to her killing her daughter. As such, I don't think she should be afforded ANY of the comforts (or pork rinds!) the commissary (or life) has to offer. IMO, she should have a very basic life. Sometimes I wonder if even that isn't too good for her after all the lives she's destroyed.

Speaking of all the lives that have been destroyed, thanks for all who replied to my ZFG post the other day. I did not realize, until I read the info from all of you, that she had lost so much as a result of what had happened. I guess I thought people would be more sympathetic to her than anything else, simply because they know Casey lied about "the nanny".

In reading through the documents tonight, I saw the guest card from Sawgrass Apartments that was turned over to the police. There are actually two copies of it in there. On one of them, the "Z" is missing from the end of ZFG's last name. Seems odd. I guess it may have inadvertently been whited out one one of them, though I can't imagine why it would be. They are exactly the same otherwise. I also noticed ZFG only has two children. For some reason, I thought she had six. See why I'm reading documents again! LOL.

Anyway, a couple of other things I noticed re: ZFG. The apartment manager said they'd been unable to follow up on the apartment with ZFG because the phone number she'd given them had been disconnected. Then, on the affidavit she gave police on July 16th, ZFG's address is listed as a room at the Motel Six. Not sure why, but that seemed strange to me.

One last thing about ZFG. I realized the guest card doesn't list her full name. It's just Zenaida Gonzalez. I assumed Casey came up with the full name of "the nanny" from the guest card, but I guess not. Has anyone tossed out any ideas on where she may have gotten it from then?My memory is not good, but wasn't the name Fernandez somehow associated with the empty lot where Caylee's remains were found?

[Twinners]

My memory is not good, but wasn't the name Fernandez somehow associated with the empty lot where Caylee's remains were found?

It may have been! That, at least, sounds familiar. I'll see if I can find something on that now.

[lighthousedazy]

Morgan was on local news and stated his office was doing this probono.

Gator

First I typed Probobo, but that would be a Baez case. :tongue:Oh, I love it "probobo", probozo", whatever... :D

[Twinners]

Looks like you were right, lighthousedazy!

I Googled "empty lot", "Caylee Anthony" and "Fernandez" and found a link to a Scared Monkey's page, which shows that a "Zenaida" and a "Fernandez" live near the vacant lot where Caylee's remains were found.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/

[lighthousedazy]

Looks like you were right, lighthousedazy!

I Googled "empty lot", "Caylee Anthony" and "Fernandez" and found a link to a Scared Monkey's page, which shows that a "Zenaida" and a "Fernandez" live near the vacant lot where Caylee's remains were found.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/I remember that now and I thought it was so weird. How did caysee connect all this??? :confused:

[Twinners]

I remember that now and I thought it was so weird. How did caysee connect all this??? :confused:

I don't know. It's all so strange, especially with Richard Grund saying the Zanny story started back in 2006.

The more I read about ZFG and her case against Casey, the more I think she doesn't stand much of a chance of winning her case against them. She'd be better off, IMO, suing the employer who fired her.

[Zingo]

Love your ideas!

Since Baez has already started the ball rolling on #2, you may as well stick with it. The Death Car reeked too much for Casey to drive it? fuhgeddaboudit! Her friends were no doubt crunk low life bong smoking baby brokers unbeknownst to her. As soon as she parked the car, they took over wearing construction masks and breathers to combat the odor.

Of course ZFG is an alias. The woman's real name is Jane Doe, but she knew Casey wouldn't fall for that, so she stole Zenaida's identity long ago. Being well-to-do with no job other than working for the baby brokers to lure unsuspecting mothers, she has no better way to spend her time than sneaking in and out of The Anthony home, using their computer, stealing items, and laughing maniacally as she develops a script for Casey to follow for thirty days after the kidnapping.

All kidding aside, Casey knew when she abandoned that car (and probably hoped that it would be stolen) that it would take some of the heat off of her. BUT having it out of her possession for all those days may create the doubt that is needed.

The most that CA's attorney can admit is naivete, and there is no need to admit to any drug use unless it can be proven by the prosecution. Any admissions place responsibility back in her lap.

Right! No drug use admission. But even if Baez goes for naivete, won't he have to let Casey testify? How else is he going to overcome the strong state evidence, and Casey's prior false statements to LE? How does he introduce Casey's state of mind? If there is no ZFG, and Baez sees that as a losing argument, how else will Casey come clean to that unless she testifies?

Letting her testify will be malpractice ... but frankly, taking this case to trial in the first place may be malpractice. How can you NOT plea this case out? There is no reasonable doubt here, unless you're pinning your hopes on one single juror falling in love with Casey and empathizing with her. You're pinning your hopes on a juror disregarding all the facts and the law, to acquit Casey the Liar.

[Twinners]

Can anyone tell me if there have been more than one set of documents released in ZFG's case against Casey? I read the ones filed on 9/24 (I think), but can't tell if there were others that came after those. The ones I read didn't mention anything about her case being about the Anthony's not profiting from book, movie or television deals, yet I read some news reports that said that is what she wanted. I also read they want a settlement, part of which can be paid out of the Anthony's homeowners insurance. I wonder how that works?

Zenaida Gonzalez says she has had enough. The civil suit was filed Wednesday afternoon. She wants Casey Anthony to pay for her lies.

T-shirts reading "The Nanny Did It" and "Zanny the Nanny" are just some one of the reasons why Zenaida Gonzales is suing Casey Anthony. Gonzales has never shown her face, but says thousands of people believe she either kidnapped or killed Caylee Anthony. "What we want to make sure is that Casey Anthony does not profit for throwing Zenaida Gonzalez under the bus. They are out there talking about movie deals, book deals. There are t-shirts being sold," attorney John Morgan told Eyewitness News (watch full interview).

High-profile attorney John Morgan is seen on TV ads and has a firm of 130 attorneys. He is representing Gonzalez in the defamation lawsuit.

After Caylee was reported missing, Casey told detectives she dropped off the child at Zenaida Gonzalez's apartment off Conway Road and now has no idea where the child is. Gonzalez says she's never met Casey and wants her name cleared.

"We know this is the right one. They not only knew she was the right Zenaida, gave the names of her two children and type of car she drove. They knew the color of the car she drove. All given to them allegedly by Casey Anthony," Morgan said.

Morgan said his client's private life has been turned upside down. They want a settlement that could be partly paid out of the Anthony homeowner's insurance policy.

"She never asked for this. Casey Anthony asked that she be brought in to deflect her own issues," Morgan said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17553419/detail.html

Gonzalez has hired prominent attorney John Morgan of Orlando and said she wants to be sure Casey Anthony and her family do not profit from any movie, television or book deals. Gonzalez is suing for slander.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17550744/detail.html

I'm confused. I know ZFG's suit is for "in excess" of $15,000, not including interest, attorney fee's and so forth, but if she wins her suit, does that mean all the money Casey (or anyone else) may be getting from Caylee videos and the like will go to her instead?

[javahog]

It may have been! That, at least, sounds familiar. I'll see if I can find something on that now.

It is so weird. The two house at the end of Hopespring Dr. (at Suburban)-one was occupied by a "Zenaida" and the other was owned by a "Gonzalez". If you follow the property line out Caylee's body was found on the plane of the property line. So in a way, she was with Zenaida/Gonzalez. Twisted.

But the problem is, I think one of the two incidents has to simply be a coincidence. Is it the ZFG at Sawgrass, or this property line thing? I'm gonna guess the property line, though maybe Casey got the Z name from this resident...

[javahog]

I don't know. It's all so strange, especially with Richard Grund saying the Zanny story started back in 2006.

The more I read about ZFG and her case against Casey, the more I think she doesn't stand much of a chance of winning her case against them. She'd be better off, IMO, suing the employer who fired her.

I think Richard Grund misremembers this. He's told the story two different ways, so...end of 2007 is likely incontrovertable. Did ZFG just fall like manna from heaven into Casey's lap at Sawgrass? makes you believe in black magic, if so...

I don't really think she can win a case against the Anthony's, though Casey is a maybe. If it came down to it, they have the "she told us!" defense, but would they use it? I wonder what the thought is on collecting from the homeowners insurance? Casey as a resident of the home was covered?

[javahog]

Can anyone tell me if there have been more than one set of documents released in ZFG's case against Casey? I read the ones filed on 9/24 (I think), but can't tell if there were others that came after those. The ones I read didn't mention anything about her case being about the Anthony's not profiting from book, movie or television deals, yet I read some news reports that said that is what she wanted. I also read they want a settlement, part of which can be paid out of the Anthony's homeowners insurance. I wonder how that works?



http://www.wftv.com/news/17553419/detail.html



http://www.wesh.com/news/17550744/detail.html

I'm confused. I know ZFG's suit is for "in excess" of $15,000, not including interest, attorney fee's and so forth, but if she wins her suit, does that mean all the money Casey (or anyone else) may be getting from Caylee videos and the like will go to her instead?

I'm no lawyer, but one thing I would think is fair is anything that mentioned ZFG and made money, the money should go to ZFG. For example, IF the rights to the story were sold, say through Gil C, then if ZFG is mentioned, profits to ZFG. If they were to change the name, that would be tantamount to an admission that there was no ZFG, right?

[javahog]

Cindy has written an obituary and funeral announcement...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-cayleeobit0809feb08,0,6952778.story

[One2Snoop]

Cindy has written an obituary and funeral announcement...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-cayleeobit0809feb08,0,6952778.story

Thanks for the link java - It actually made me cry :(

IN HER OWN WORDS: Cindy Anthony says Caylee 'will be watching over so many other children'
February 8, 2009

Cindy Anthony wrote this eulogy to her slain granddaughter Caylee Marie Anthony for publication in the Orlando Sentinel — her first public comments since the toddler's death was confirmed in December. A public memorial service is Tuesday.

Caylee Marie Anthony has captivated the hearts of so many people over the course of the last several months. Many feel a great loss for a beautiful child that they never had the opportunity to meet. They quickly fell in love with her beauty and her charming ways, as she read a story to her ailing great-grandfather, whom she loved very much.

For those who fell in love with Caylee Marie on national TV, their grief is only temporary, their hearts will soon mend, and their memory of her may eventually fade. But for those who actually had the honor to meet Caylee Marie, it will be much more difficult for them to say goodbye, and their hearts may never heal.

On Aug.9, 2005, God blessed this Earth with one of his most beautiful children. Caylee Marie was born at 7:14a.m. in an Orlando hospital. From the moment she was born she forever stole the hearts of her family. Caylee was not only a beautiful baby, but she had a beautiful spirit that will live on in those that truly knew her and loved her.

She is survived by her mother, Casey Marie Anthony; her grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony; her uncle Lee Anthony; and her great-grandparents, Alex and Shirley Plesea and Ruth and Lee Anthony.

Caylee's life will be honored in a memorial service open to the public Tuesday at the First Baptist Church of Orlando beginning at 10a.m.

The family is requesting that those with only the purest of hearts and truly honorable intentions attend the service for their beloved child. This service will be a tribute to her life and a time for her family and friends to finally be together to openly express and share their love for her.

The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.

Because of Caylee, so many other children have been the recipient of the kindness and generosity from those who have donated on her behalf. Donations have been made to numerous organizations such as Toys for Tots, Shriners, St. Jude's Hospital, Make-a-Wish Foundation, Boys and Girls Clubs of America, Orlando Rescue Mission and Kid Finders Network. Another child will receive a new smile after receiving multiple reconstructive surgeries to repair a cleft palate.

Because of this outpouring of compassion, the family will continue to honor Caylee's memory by establishing the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation. The foundation's purpose will be to continue to generate awareness for missing children and to establish programs to assist in the well-being of those children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times.

Caylee's life may have been short-lived on this earth, but her life will not have ended without a purpose. She will be sadly missed but never forgotten. Caylee Marie Anthony now has her angel wings and will be watching over so many other children.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-cayleeobit0809feb08,0,6952778.story

[Twinners]

I think Richard Grund misremembers this. He's told the story two different ways, so...end of 2007 is likely incontrovertable. Did ZFG just fall like manna from heaven into Casey's lap at Sawgrass? makes you believe in black magic, if so...

I don't really think she can win a case against the Anthony's, though Casey is a maybe. If it came down to it, they have the "she told us!" defense, but would they use it? I wonder what the thought is on collecting from the homeowners insurance? Casey as a resident of the home was covered?

Thanks for letting me know about Richard! I didn't know he'd told the story both ways. So, even going with the end of 2007, instead of 2006, we know Casey was using Zenaida as the nanny's name long before Caylee's death. Taking that into account and adding in the fact that the "Fernandez-" was missing from ZFG's guest card at Sawgrass, as crazy as it sounds, I think it does seem more likely that ZFG being at Sawgrass around the time of Caylee's death was purely coincidental. Casey getting the nanny's name from her just doesn't make sense when you look at what we know. At least not IMO.

I doubt George or Cindy would use the defense you mentioned, but thinking back, I'm not sure if they've ever said Casey told them Zanny's last name prior to them discovering Caylee was missing. Then once she did tell them, she gave them additional information about Zanny, none of which points to the ZFG we now know, at least not that I can recall.

I really have no idea how they could receive money from the homeowners insurance. I guess Casey "slandering" ZFG while she was in the home may be reason enough, but I wouldn't think it would be. I don't know. That part has me baffled.

[Twinners]

Thanks for the link java - It actually made me cry :(

Me too! I'm glad I'm not the only one. LOL.

I hope everyone who attends remembers this service is for Caylee. I'd hate to see or hear of people behaving inappropriately at a time when her short life is being honored.

[Twinners]

I had an online chat with John Morgan's office earlier and asked if donations to Zenaida go to her directly, and the on-site operator said that she couldn't comment. I told her that I understand, but would like to know that ZFG has some control over the donations. Again, the "no comment" comment. When I added that I wish that people would contribute to Zenaida instead of CA's commissary fund I got no answer. Period. But that's okay because I do understand.

I can't stand that ZFG is in a shelter (the only one around here has strict guidelines for admission AND length of stay so she might be worse off than we imagine). I'll make a contribution with the thought that Zenaida has agreed that if they don't go directly to her, she is satisfied with how they are spent.

I'm guessing ZFG's attorney has advised her not to accept any donations and so forth until after a judgment in her case against Casey and/or the Anthony's has been issued. The whole point of that case is to show that her life has been negatively affected by Casey's lies. Receiving money, or any other kind of support/generosity, from people who know her only through Casey's case would show it has also had a positive effect on her life. I doubt that is something they would want.

For my part, I'd like to know a little more about ZFG. The fact that she was looking at a Sawgrass apartment in June tells me her housing situation may have been in question prior to the time Caylee was reported missing. The fact that Motel Six was listed in the residence address box on her affidavit to the police on July 16th has me curious too. She was also said to be sitting in a hotel room in one of the interviews she gave around the time her lawsuit was filed in September. Believing she was staying at a hotel in July and then again in September has me curious as to where she may have been staying in August.

I guess my general line of thinking on this is that all we know of ZFG right now is that she is a mother who lost her job and house presumably because of Casey's lies. That's it and that's all, that I can remember anyway. IMO, that alone isn't enough to know what kind of person she is. She could be the kind of person who deserves all the good that comes her way OR she could be the kind of person who would willingly do without a job and a home now in order to have something better later, like when she receives a judgment from her case against Casey. I really hate saying that. I really do. But, if there is anything that has been drilled into my head from this case, it's that people aren't always what they seem. I'm worried that ZFG may not be all she seems and I think I will be until we know more about her.

[Kendu]

Actually Natisha Lance is a producer, she is a field producer for the NG Show.

I normally wouldn't do this but I think I would like to ask you Kendu, if you ever have anything good to say about anyone? Because I went back and check the posts that you have made and I can honestly tell you, I think that you are a troll, at the very least.


Yea you got me, i'm a troll and have nothing nice to say about a nasty,rude,
arrogant, belligerent woman (she was really rude to the black female lawyer Thursday night) or a phoney, smug, Dog the Bounty Hunter want-a-bee, admitted Media W---e that are profitting from that child's death and her familey's grief.
As for you --if you dont like my post just skip over them. This is not the NG show. I get to say what i want and i call them as i see them.

[Native Alien]

Thanks for letting me know about Richard! I didn't know he'd told the story both ways.

Apologies for taking just this snippet but this was something that I didn't know either. I can remember hearing that at one time Jesse and family would watch Caylee when Casey was supposedly at work.

I am wondering if this could be the lead that LP is following up on?

[Native Alien]

Is anyone else seeing a page 450 and 451 but can't access them, or is it just me?

[sharlock]

Apologies for taking just this snippet but this was something that I didn't know either. I can remember hearing that at one time Jesse and family would watch Caylee when Casey was supposedly at work.

I am wondering if this could be the lead that LP is following up on?
Yes he said that she told him about Zanny when he asked her if she had found a babysitter yet but he said the story was so involved and she went into such detail that wasn't needed that thinking back it should have been a red flag iirc

[sharlock]

Is anyone else seeing a page 450 and 451 but can't access them, or is it just me?
Same here Native, I thought it was just me:eek:.

[SaraSidle]

Same here Native, I thought it was just me:eek:.


wow thanks you guys. I thought it was just me too. very strange

[Amy]

Right! No drug use admission. But even if Baez goes for naivete, won't he have to let Casey testify? How else is he going to overcome the strong state evidence, and Casey's prior false statements to LE? How does he introduce Casey's state of mind? If there is no ZFG, and Baez sees that as a losing argument, how else will Casey come clean to that unless she testifies?

Letting her testify will be malpractice ... but frankly, taking this case to trial in the first place may be malpractice. How can you NOT plea this case out? There is no reasonable doubt here, unless you're pinning your hopes on one single juror falling in love with Casey and empathizing with her. You're pinning your hopes on a juror disregarding all the facts and the law, to acquit Casey the Liar.

There is no malpractice associated w/the defendant testifying. The final decision is up to the defendant. The attorney can advise, scream, stomp his feet, threated to fire her as a client, etc etc etc, but the if the defendant is determined to testify, the defendant testifies.

I think the same goes for a plea--if the defendant refuses a plea in spite of advise of the attorney, the plea goes by the wayside. Now, if the attorney is a bozo (pun intended) and does NOT advise the defendant to take a plea in a case like this, I'd think there might be some consequences.

[Amy]

Can anyone tell me if there have been more than one set of documents released in ZFG's case against Casey? I read the ones filed on 9/24 (I think), but can't tell if there were others that came after those. The ones I read didn't mention anything about her case being about the Anthony's not profiting from book, movie or television deals, yet I read some news reports that said that is what she wanted. I also read they want a settlement, part of which can be paid out of the Anthony's homeowners insurance. I wonder how that works?



http://www.wftv.com/news/17553419/detail.html



http://www.wesh.com/news/17550744/detail.html

I'm confused. I know ZFG's suit is for "in excess" of $15,000, not including interest, attorney fee's and so forth, but if she wins her suit, does that mean all the money Casey (or anyone else) may be getting from Caylee videos and the like will go to her instead?

It's not stated as such in any filings in any civil case, that I know of. They put the number "in excess of....." which, when you get to the bottom of the case, usually is such that, the person would have to fork over monies made from tv, movies and books in order to satisfy the judgement. Kind of a way around the Son of Sam law being unconstitutional. Okay, let the murderer "make" a lot of money, but s/he will not GET any of it--someone else will. In this case, someone whose life was extremely negatively affected by the murderer, or in other cases, the "estate" of the murder victim. Don't know what Ron Goldman did with (or plans to do with--did he get anything yet?) the money from OJ, but Sharon Rocha's plans for money is to set up foundations in Laci's name.

[Amy]

Cindy has written an obituary and funeral announcement...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/orl-cayleeobit0809feb08,0,6952778.story

Very nice. I do notice Cindy "puts people in their place" a couple of times, but a very nice tribute. And, no offense to Caylee, but I think any donations I make would be in her name to Shriners or one of the other well-known organizations rather than to a fund that the A's would have any say-so over, or KFN.

[Amy]

I think Richard Grund misremembers this. He's told the story two different ways, so...end of 2007 is likely incontrovertable. Did ZFG just fall like manna from heaven into Casey's lap at Sawgrass? makes you believe in black magic, if so...

I don't really think she can win a case against the Anthony's, though Casey is a maybe. If it came down to it, they have the "she told us!" defense, but would they use it? I wonder what the thought is on collecting from the homeowners insurance? Casey as a resident of the home was covered?

And, listening to her LE interview, Casey tells the detective she has known Zanny since Christmas "four years ago." Hmmmm......2004. Quite some time before Caylee was even a twinkle in Casey's eye. Of course, maybe Zanny was working @ Universal the same time Casey worked the kiosk? (altho, I would think, if she came form a rich family in 2008, she would have been from a rich family in 2004. I guess that woman just WANTS to work!!!!

[Amy]

Is anyone else seeing a page 450 and 451 but can't access them, or is it just me?

They don't work for me, either. And, all my posts are here @ the end of 449. I didn't count the # of posts, to see if there were 50 for it to go to the next page.

Just checked, and this is only the 27th post. Wonder why they have the next 2 pages ready? Or, was it up to 451, but some earlier posts deleted? I'd think, tho, that the page number would go down accordingly.

[sharlock]

wow thanks you guys. I thought it was just me too. very strange
The pages have been removed and all of the posts now are back on the page before like Amy said. Wow I think they were removed but for what purpose? Did anyone post something they can't see? I do know that someone is suing 179 Topix posters (the judge ruled that these anonymous posters names can be found and cases made against them)for badmouthing a woman after she was cleared in court and I wonder if this could be a reflex to that? OK probably far fetched but strange in any case.

[deputydi]

I don't know. It's all so strange, especially with Richard Grund saying the Zanny story started back in 2006.

The more I read about ZFG and her case against Casey, the more I think she doesn't stand much of a chance of winning her case against them. She'd be better off, IMO, suing the employer who fired her.
This may have been said before, but I believe the Zanny story may have started long before Caylee's disappearance. It probably came from the Xanax theory because I don't believe the last time Caylee was drugged was the first. I think she had been using Xanax (and probably other stuff to knock Caylee out while she partied) and "Zanny" was just a convenient euphamism.

When Caylee died (probably from a chloroform overdose) Casey needed a "real" name and a story to explain her disappearance. The name Zanny had already been thrown out to different people over the years or months, so she needed a legit name to go along with it. I think she saw the name Zenaida Gonzales and initially intended to use only the first name simply because it fit the "nanny name". She put Fernandez to it probably because it was a common name and was familiar with it. Now, she's got Zenaida (Zanny) Fernandez and for whatever reason, as an afterthought decided to add Gonzales. She had a month to think this through and although she didn't do that very well, I don't think she ever considered that her fictitional Zenaida Gonzales would ever be traced to a real person. As far as I know, the real Zenaida's middle or maiden name is not Fernandez and Casey probably believed that was her ace in the hole -- just in case. . . .

[Gatordog]

Me too! I'm glad I'm not the only one. LOL.

I hope everyone who attends remembers this service is for Caylee. I'd hate to see or hear of people behaving inappropriately at a time when her short life is being honored.

It would be nice if her grandmother remembered that it is for caylee.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Yea you got me, i'm a troll and have nothing nice to say about a nasty,rude,
arrogant, belligerent woman (she was really rude to the black female lawyer Thursday night) or a phoney, smug, Dog the Bounty Hunter want-a-bee, admitted Media W---e that are profitting from that child's death and her familey's grief.
As for you --if you dont like my post just skip over them. This is not the NG show. I get to say what i want and i call them as i see them.

NG is nasty to everyone, she doesn't pick and choose. Padilla may like the media attention but he did something to try to find Caylee's body and correct his mistake of bailing out the Liar. What have you done?

Gator

[Gatordog]

Is anyone else seeing a page 450 and 451 but can't access them, or is it just me?

Yes, me too. Also my replies are posting to the bottom of page 449, so this must be the end.

Gator

[sharlock]

This may have been said before, but I believe the Zanny story may have started long before Caylee's disappearance. It probably came from the Xanax theory because I don't believe the last time Caylee was drugged was the first. I think she had been using Xanax (and probably other stuff to knock Caylee out while she partied) and "Zanny" was just a convenient euphamism.

When Caylee died (probably from a chloroform overdose) Casey needed a "real" name and a story to explain her disappearance. The name Zanny had already been thrown out to different people over the years or months, so she needed a legit name to go along with it. I think she saw the name Zenaida Gonzales and initially intended to use only the first name simply because it fit the "nanny name". She put Fernandez to it probably because it was a common name and was familiar with it. Now, she's got Zenaida (Zanny) Fernandez and for whatever reason, as an afterthought decided to add Gonzales. She had a month to think this through and although she didn't do that very well, I don't think she ever considered that her fictitional Zenaida Gonzales would ever be traced to a real person. As far as I know, the real Zenaida's middle or maiden name is not Fernandez and Casey probably believed that was her ace in the hole -- just in case. . . .
It is interesting though that ZG's ex has the surname Fernandez.

[deputydi]

There is no malpractice associated w/the defendant testifying. The final decision is up to the defendant. The attorney can advise, scream, stomp his feet, threated to fire her as a client, etc etc etc, but the if the defendant is determined to testify, the defendant testifies.

I think the same goes for a plea--if the defendant refuses a plea in spite of advise of the attorney, the plea goes by the wayside. Now, if the attorney is a bozo (pun intended) and does NOT advise the defendant to take a plea in a case like this, I'd think there might be some consequences.

You are absolutely right on all points. However, if she has confessed her guilt to her attorney, he is limited as to what he can ask her under oath. He cannot suborne perjury -- that is, he can't ask her under oath, if she killed Caylee knowing she will deny it and he knows otherwise. It's a very slippery slope for him. This is why defense attorneys do not want to know whether their client is actually guilty as charged. No matter how strong the evidence is against the defendant, defense attorneys have to go under the assumption that he/she is innocent.

[deputydi]

It is interesting though that ZG's ex has the surname Fernandez.
Well, so much for my theory. I didn't know that but how on earth would Casey have known it? Does the real Zenaida use the hyphenated Fernandez-Gonzales or do you think it was just a fluke?

[Gatordog]

I read the tribute and what struck me was the repeated reference to Caylee's physical beauty. I believe this was the way they brought Casey up, valuing her more as a trophy instead of giving her a sense of self worth due to kindness and intelligence. If Cindy and George had paid less attention to "Gorgeous" because of her looks and more attention paid to what impact she could make on the environment, or medicine or education, she may have made better choices in her life. Things could have been very different. The Liar seems to be intelligent and creative; if her parents had given those traits more importannce than a mirror's reflection, maybe she would have been a better person and an asset to society. She is a very ugly person in the inside. JMO

Gator

[deputydi]

I read the tribute and what struck me was the repeated reference to Caylee's physical beauty. I believe this was the way they brought Casey up, valuing her more as a trophy instead of giving her a sense of self worth due to kindness and intelligence. If Cindy and George had paid less attention to "Gorgeous" because of her looks and more attention paid to what impact she could make on the environment, or medicine or education, she may have made better choices in her life. Things could have been very different. The Liar seems to be intelligent and creative; if her parents had given those traits more importannce than a mirror's reflection, maybe she would have been a better person and an asset to society. She is a very ugly person in the inside. JMO

Gator
There were also references in the same sentences to her beautiful spirit and her endearing charm. She was a beautiful child and that shouldn't be ignored, but I didn't feel it was the focus of the eulogy. I was very moved by Cindy's words and I believe they were sincere.

I do get your point, though. I think you are right about the Casey connection. She seems to be a spoiled little brat who expected everyone to dote on her and, instead of being proud of her beautiful little girl, became jealous of the attention that Caylee took from her.

[deputydi]

My memory is not good, but wasn't the name Fernandez somehow associated with the empty lot where Caylee's remains were found?
Yep. IIRC, there was a woman named Zenaida and someone with the surname of Gonzales who lived on Hopespring Dr.

[Zingo]

I read the tribute and what struck me was the repeated reference to Caylee's physical beauty. I believe this was the way they brought Casey up, valuing her more as a trophy instead of giving her a sense of self worth due to kindness and intelligence. If Cindy and George had paid less attention to "Gorgeous" because of her looks and more attention paid to what impact she could make on the environment, or medicine or education, she may have made better choices in her life. Things could have been very different. The Liar seems to be intelligent and creative; if her parents had given those traits more importannce than a mirror's reflection, maybe she would have been a better person and an asset to society. She is a very ugly person in the inside. JMO

Gator

Good post, Gator. I think perhaps the family is quite superficial, not focused on education and intellectual development. I agree with you that the obituary did seem focused on Caylee's beauty. But I can't fault someone for an obituary written in obvious pain and grief.

[Zingo]

You are absolutely right on all points. However, if she has confessed her guilt to her attorney, he is limited as to what he can ask her under oath. He cannot suborne perjury -- that is, he can't ask her under oath, if she killed Caylee knowing she will deny it and he knows otherwise. It's a very slippery slope for him. This is why defense attorneys do not want to know whether their client is actually guilty as charged. No matter how strong the evidence is against the defendant, defense attorneys have to go under the assumption that he/she is innocent.

Interesting points, Di. I've always wondered how defense attorneys can defend someone they think is guilty. I suppose that happens everyday, and they can still present their case without actually "lying" to the jury. But how do defense attorneys advise their clients to "plea" if they presume they are innocent? I suppose the defendant is presented with the options, and makes the ultimate decision about whether to accept the offer. It seems very shady being a defense attorney when your duty is to defend someone who is guilty.

My grandpa was an attorney (mostly corporate defense work) but early in his career he had briefly been a public defender. He said he resigned from a murder case when he believed his client was guilty. He didn't last long as a public defender.

[eatcupcakes]

I read the tribute and what struck me was the repeated reference to Caylee's physical beauty. I believe this was the way they brought Casey up, valuing her more as a trophy instead of giving her a sense of self worth due to kindness and intelligence. If Cindy and George had paid less attention to "Gorgeous" because of her looks and more attention paid to what impact she could make on the environment, or medicine or education, she may have made better choices in her life. Things could have been very different. The Liar seems to be intelligent and creative; if her parents had given those traits more importannce than a mirror's reflection, maybe she would have been a better person and an asset to society. She is a very ugly person in the inside. JMO

Gator

She was a pretty little child and we all like to look at pretty things. I love all my dogs for example, but I find myself being attracted to the pretty little one more. I think her prettyness made everyone fall in love with her even if they didn't know her and that is what Cindy was saying. I remember the pics of Lacy Peterson, everyone was saying what a pretty lady she was and the great smile she had. It has been going on for century's that pretty people get more attention and are liked more. Right or wrong it is the way it is. Are they always nicer and more trust worthy, heck no. The liar is good looking and looked what she did. Ted Bundy was good looking and that helped him get his prey time and time again. It is true that beauty is only skin deep but little Caylee Marie was to young to have developed much more of an in depth personality but she does seem to have been a smart and friendly child as well. For Caylee:rose:

[Gatordog]

She was a pretty little child and we all like to look at pretty things. I love all my dogs for example, but I find myself being attracted to the pretty little one more. I think her prettyness made everyone fall in love with her even if they didn't know her and that is what Cindy was saying. I remember the pics of Lacy Peterson, everyone was saying what a pretty lady she was and the great smile she had. It has been going on for century's that pretty people get more attention and are liked more. Right or wrong it is the way it is. Are they always nicer and more trust worthy, heck no. The liar is good looking and looked what she did. Ted Bundy was good looking and that helped him get his prey time and time again. It is true that beauty is only skin deep but little Caylee Marie was to young to have developed much more of an in depth personality but she does seem to have been a smart and friendly child as well. For Caylee:rose:

Oh I'm not denying that she was a beautiful little girl, just that the family seems to place that as the most important feature of the child. To me, she seemed to be so loving. She asks "are you tired Papa?" She was tender and kind. That is what is number one to me.

gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know. It's all so strange, especially with Richard Grund saying the Zanny story started back in 2006.

The more I read about ZFG and her case against Casey, the more I think she doesn't stand much of a chance of winning her case against them. She'd be better off, IMO, suing the employer who fired her.

Doesn't the employer have the right to fire her if her employment is causing problems for his business? Since people assumed that Morgan's Zenaida is THE Zenaida and she was harassed and threatened, etc., she has a right to take legal action.

[lorettalockhorn]

Right! No drug use admission. But even if Baez goes for naivete, won't he have to let Casey testify? How else is he going to overcome the strong state evidence, and Casey's prior false statements to LE? How does he introduce Casey's state of mind? If there is no ZFG, and Baez sees that as a losing argument, how else will Casey come clean to that unless she testifies?

Letting her testify will be malpractice ... but frankly, taking this case to trial in the first place may be malpractice. How can you NOT plea this case out? There is no reasonable doubt here, unless you're pinning your hopes on one single juror falling in love with Casey and empathizing with her. You're pinning your hopes on a juror disregarding all the facts and the law, to acquit Casey the Liar.

Baez doesn't have to put Casey on the stand (and he would be crazy if he did, but she may insist); he can simply assert that she was naive in that she truly believed that Zani was a good person who took great care of Caylee, and the fact that she never had anything but praise for her will serve as proof of that. Witnesses will verify that.

Not sure why Casey doesn't simply answer Morgan's question about whether or not his Zenaida is the same woman as Zani. Maybe the defense simply wants to obfuscate during court proceedings and hope that ZFG will create some kind of doubt. Which is not going to happen, unless the jury is a clueless bunch. (ZFG isn't on the defense witness list. Don't remember if she's on the prosecution's witness list.) You have to wonder just how far the defense will go to prove that there was a nanny. And the harder that they try to prove she existed regardless of her name or alias, the more idiotic it looks for the defense. Why would she need a nanny?

[lorettalockhorn]

I really have no idea how they could receive money from the homeowners insurance. I guess Casey "slandering" ZFG while she was in the home may be reason enough, but I wouldn't think it would be. I don't know. That part has me baffled.

I've never read the fine print of my homeowner's policy, but I'm assuming that this sort of thing might be covered under the liability section, and since Casey was a full-time resident of the home, she was acting as an agent of G&C when she libeled/slandered ZFG. (Not to mention that G&C chimed right in with Casey.)

I'm guessing ZFG's attorney has advised her not to accept any donations and so forth until after a judgment in her case against Casey and/or the Anthony's has been issued. The whole point of that case is to show that her life has been negatively affected by Casey's lies. Receiving money, or any other kind of support/generosity, from people who know her only through Casey's case would show it has also had a positive effect on her life. I doubt that is something they would want.

For my part, I'd like to know a little more about ZFG. The fact that she was looking at a Sawgrass apartment in June tells me her housing situation may have been in question prior to the time Caylee was reported missing. The fact that Motel Six was listed in the residence address box on her affidavit to the police on July 16th has me curious too. She was also said to be sitting in a hotel room in one of the interviews she gave around the time her lawsuit was filed in September. Believing she was staying at a hotel in July and then again in September has me curious as to where she may have been staying in August.

I guess my general line of thinking on this is that all we know of ZFG right now is that she is a mother who lost her job and house presumably because of Casey's lies. That's it and that's all, that I can remember anyway. IMO, that alone isn't enough to know what kind of person she is. She could be the kind of person who deserves all the good that comes her way OR she could be the kind of person who would willingly do without a job and a home now in order to have something better later, like when she receives a judgment from her case against Casey. I really hate saying that. I really do. But, if there is anything that has been drilled into my head from this case, it's that people aren't always what they seem. I'm worried that ZFG may not be all she seems and I think I will be until we know more about her.

No clue what Morgan has advised ZFG, but if you look at his site, you will see that he has a link to accept donations. It could be that he doles them out to her on an allowance type basis, or as needed (for the children's needs, for example).

What little that I know of ZFG satifies me that she's at least got a work ethic, she cleaned up after other people for God's sake. That's not something I can barely make myself do for a couple/few hours a day, let alone as a full-time job. She's reportedly been threatened and harassed because of Casey's lies, and I somehow find it hard to believe that if she's a malingerer looking for a ride that she would have chosen this case as some sort of windfall; why not slip and fall at Hellmart?

[lorettalockhorn]

It is interesting though that ZG's ex has the surname Fernandez.

I thought Fernandez is her maiden name?

[Zingo]

Doesn't the employer have the right to fire her if her employment is causing problems for his business? Since people assumed that Morgan's Zenaida is THE Zenaida and she was harassed and threatened, etc., she has a right to take legal action.

Yeah, if someone is a suspected child kidnapper, it's hard to keep her employed. The employer would lose customers.

[Twinners]

I found this a little bit ago when trying to find ZFG's middle or maiden name. I can't hear the interview for myself, so I'm not sure how valid it is.

ZENAIDA GONZALEZ: EXPOSED

Krause is all about truth. It’s when I’m lied to I turn all green & get really pissed off. Now, we have found damaging information against Zenaida Gonzalez. Where do we begin? I suggest listening to the interviews first, then maybe you can understand this better.

This is timeline of Zenaida Gonzalez’s court dockets, provided with docket numbers, which can be accessed here should you want to look at the court documents.

In her defamation lawsuit against Casey Anthony, she filed the lawsuit under “Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez” as you can see from the picture below. That is NOT her name.

Problem is, this same ZG that was interviewed and questioned by police is not Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, in fact, she is really Zenaida C. Gonzalez. So, it’s going to look very stupid on her part for filing under that name and committing perjury to herself, as she signed onto the court docket.

Second, she went on the record to discuss she is broke, she has no money. That’s odd, she is collecting child support payments and getting Social Security benefits, again, thanks to these nice pictures below.

Third, she claims she is broke. OK, let’s try to understand why that is broke. Not only has she been sued by Chase Manhattan, she has a habit of NOT paying her credit card bills & various other bills, period.

Forth, she has been evicted numerous times.

Five, she claims she’s never been paid for an interview, purportedly, the network paid for her rent, food, etc. Furthermore, she propositioned me for this very interview to the tune of $1,500. I told her she is fudrukius, I don’t pay anyone for an interview, but she became receptive, once I told her that if she is legit, we would post her PayPal information.

I find it amazing that Zenaida’s claim that she is a victim, however, she drives around in a Hummer, real cool.

So, what have we really learned out all of this? Gonzalez has put herself into jeopardy by lying to the American people, making people feel sorry for her, and in the process, collecting child support from two different guys (reminds me of a bad Maury episode, I tell you) & collecting money from the government, on top of her lies in the interview.

I am a seeker of the truth and look at everyone in this case, Anthony’s & Gonzalez’s. I don’t take sides, by default, it works out for Casey Anthony. We were giving her an opportunity to present her story, she lied, and as a result, after learning the truth, I felt that she lied to me. I would’ve provided her PayPal information had she had been honest, however, it’s her own fault, not anyone elses.

My suggestion to Zenaida is that she get off her ass & drop the lawsuit, we’ve already busted you for the con artist you are, and only continuing it will make you look like an ass.

KRAUSE’S POINTS TO PONDER

ZG knew that prior to the interview, I would fact check her statements. When the truth came out that she lied, I was pissed. She has done this to herself, that she would be held accountable for her actions. She came on my interview and gave the same spiel and she had an opportunity to prove herself, she did not.

In the interview, we asked her why her attorney the lawsuit filed as Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. She never claimed that her name was Fernandez-Gonzalez, and brushed it off to John Morgan, her attorney. She signed it to benefit herself.

I was willing to help her out. She’s complaining that her life has been divistated because of this, all I did was point out evidence that shows she lied. Anyone can see that she has been in this indingent status for years, should she be compensated? In my opinion, no. She’s lied to everyone in America and needs to come forward & respond to damaging evidence against her.

At the end of the interview & even now, I agree that she has gone through a horrific ordeal. It doesn’t give you the right to take oppertunity to take advantage of the situation. When you put yourself out there as victim, I take your story and will check your statements to make sure everything is accurate.

I am not judging her, she was the one who told people that she was broke. It’s not acceptable for to lie to someone and I am putting my foot down. Period.


http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

This was posted last September. What do you all make of it?

ETA: On her police affidavit in July, she did not sign her name as "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez". It was just "Zenaida Gonzalez".

[Zingo]

Baez doesn't have to put Casey on the stand (and he would be crazy if he did, but she may insist); he can simply assert that she was naive in that she truly believed that Zani was a good person who took great care of Caylee, and the fact that she never had anything but praise for her will serve as proof of that. Witnesses will verify that.

Not sure why Casey doesn't simply answer Morgan's question about whether or not his Zenaida is the same woman as Zani. Maybe the defense simply wants to obfuscate during court proceedings and hope that ZFG will create some kind of doubt. Which is not going to happen, unless the jury is a clueless bunch. (ZFG isn't on the defense witness list. Don't remember if she's on the prosecution's witness list.) You have to wonder just how far the defense will go to prove that there was a nanny. And the harder that they try to prove she existed regardless of her name or alias, the more idiotic it looks for the defense. Why would she need a nanny?

Yeah, I think they will have to sell the nanny story -- if they conceded that Casey made her up, Casey would have to testify to that. Who else would be able to assert that?

They're stuck with "the Nanny did it" ... and overcoming the state's evidence that a nanny never existed. Iuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuiii
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[lorettalockhorn]

Very nice. I do notice Cindy "puts people in their place" a couple of times, but a very nice tribute. And, no offense to Caylee, but I think any donations I make would be in her name to Shriners or one of the other well-known organizations rather than to a fund that the A's would have any say-so over, or KFN.

UGH This essay doesn't seem the proper place for Cindy to put people in their place. (Not to mention that it's hypocritical for her to be the one to try.) But somehow she couldn't resist. Poor Caylee. I could just cry. And just what is up with The Anthonys setting up a foundation blah blah blah. Haven't they already done that?

Still not getting any warm fuzzies about the whole public memorial thing. Poor Caylee. I could just cry.

[lorettalockhorn]

The pages have been removed and all of the posts now are back on the page before like Amy said. Wow I think they were removed but for what purpose? Did anyone post something they can't see? I do know that someone is suing 179 Topix posters (the judge ruled that these anonymous posters names can be found and cases made against them)for badmouthing a woman after she was cleared in court and I wonder if this could be a reflex to that? OK probably far fetched but strange in any case.

Interesting. Do the courts not have anything better to do than quash the first amendment rights of people who may find fault with the justice system??

[lorettalockhorn]

You are absolutely right on all points. However, if she has confessed her guilt to her attorney, he is limited as to what he can ask her under oath. He cannot suborne perjury -- that is, he can't ask her under oath, if she killed Caylee knowing she will deny it and he knows otherwise. It's a very slippery slope for him. This is why defense attorneys do not want to know whether their client is actually guilty as charged. No matter how strong the evidence is against the defendant, defense attorneys have to go under the assumption that he/she is innocent.

This is something that we absolutely agree on in theory and in practice. And if I was Baez, the very last thing that I would ask Casey would be "if she did it". If I was an attorney, I would rarely, if ever ask.

[Spider]

I noticed in the obit that Cindy's brother ws left out of the surviving family.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh I'm not denying that she was a beautiful little girl, just that the family seems to place that as the most important feature of the child. To me, she seemed to be so loving. She asks "are you tired Papa?" She was tender and kind. That is what is number one to me.

gator

Caylee had somehow developed more empathy for others in less than three years than the rest of her clan combined in a lifetime. IMO That one gesture of kindness to Al Plesea is what breaks my heart the most about her murder.

[lorettalockhorn]

I found this a little bit ago when trying to find ZFG's middle or maiden name. I can't hear the interview for myself, so I'm not sure how valid it is.



http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

This was posted last September. What do you all make of it?

ETA: On her police affidavit in July, she did not sign her name as "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez". It was just "Zenaida Gonzalez".

I take Sean with a (large) grain of salt; his time might be well spent in a Composition 101 course. Bear in mind that SK paints ZFG as a grifter (which she may very well be), but he's on the record on his site asking his fans/readers to buy him a laptop. Hypocrite much?

[Twinners]

I take Sean with a (large) grain of salt; his time might be well spent in a Composition 101 course. Bear in mind that SK paints ZFG as a grifter (which she may very well be), but he's on the record on his site asking his fans/readers to buy him a laptop. Hypocrite much?

Ummm, yeah! I'd definitely say that makes him a hypocrite!

I'm listening to the interview now. Sean does the introduction for the interview, but it's the Kitchen's lady that is interviewing Zenaida by phone, at least so far. It seems Zenaida has asked them to set up some kind of account for her to accept donations through. Kitchen's is talking to her about it now.

ETA: Sean's interview starts at about the 13 minute mark.

[javahog]

I thought Fernandez is her maiden name?

Out of curiosity, do Puerto Ricans do the same thing with names as Mexicans, where the pattern is (personal name) (father's name) (mother's name), but usually the mother's name is abbreviated. For example Jose Ramirez Torres is Jose Ramirez T. ?

[javahog]

I found this a little bit ago when trying to find ZFG's middle or maiden name. I can't hear the interview for myself, so I'm not sure how valid it is.



http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

This was posted last September. What do you all make of it?

ETA: On her police affidavit in July, she did not sign her name as "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez". It was just "Zenaida Gonzalez".

Krause can't spell.

[javahog]

Interesting. Do the courts not have anything better to do than quash the first amendment rights of people who may find fault with the justice system??

This is why imo and moo are so important

[javahog]

I know your laws are different down there. In Canada you would be suspended with pay if the crime was not commited in the workplace or on work time. If a work related crime-suspension without pay until proven guilty. If an employer ever tried to fire prior to a conviction they would be sued Mach 90. So it is not a common thing up here. Our unions are so strong up here that if u are unionized u can get away with alot-you just have to claim stress made u steal or show up drunk to work etc. etc. You are provided with re-hab,counselling whatever needed. Your job is held for you. Makes it bad for the honest guy but unions do have their place. My Dad was management and trying to fire a federal gov. employee typically took about 2 years with lots of documentation and good reason. This guy would leave about 2 hrs before his til midnight shift ended amongst other employee bad acts.. A buddy would punch out his time card for him. My Dad caught wind of it so every couple of months he would stop by after 10 p.m. to try to bust the guy. Never seemed to hit the right nights. Dad knew where he was but would never step foot in the sleazy local peeler bar. One day Dad arrives at wok at his usual 6 a.m. to be informed said guy was killed the night prior. Hit by a train at 11:00 p.m. One hr. before his shift was suppose to end. What a way to get busted. :no:

It depends on the state and the job. Unionized workplaces are basically no-fire zones. There was one guy when I was working for the city who wrecked a brand-new truck. No repercussions. But non-union jobs in California are "at-will" which means the employee and employer can call off the relationship for any reason (or no reason) at any time, unless there's a contract...However, if let go without cause, you get unemployment.

Is Zenaida getting unemployment?

[lorettalockhorn]

Ummm, yeah! I'd definitely say that makes him a hypocrite!

I'm listening to the interview now. Sean does the introduction for the interview, but it's the Kitchen's lady that is interviewing Zenaida by phone, at least so far. It seems Zenaida has asked them to set up some kind of account for her to accept donations through. Kitchen's is talking to her about it now.

ETA: Sean's interview starts at about the 13 minute mark.

I haven't listened to the interview. I find his beginning thesis insulting. Zenaida's living a queen's life on child support and social security? Puhleez It's so very likely that he's never been a single parent. Zenaida drives a Hummer? Whatever. I'm thinking if she does, it was loaned to her so that she won't have to drive around in the car that Casey practically pointed out in her description. Maybe Morgan & Morgan is providing it.

I'll admit that what makes me believe ZFG from the outset is the fact that Morgan and Mitnik support her. Morgan didn't build his reputation on the back of frivolous lawsuits.

[Twinners]

Still listening to the interview. I'm starting to think it will NEVER end! LOL.

Sean just asked her about her place of employment prior to all of this. Zenaida says she won't say the name. She says she and her boss sat down and had a long talk when all of this first started. She says she understands her part and that it is a small company. She talks about working and supporting her kids. She says the boss wasn't mean about it when she got terminated. She says she told her that whenever this was over and done with, she always has a position there. She mentions people coming to the places the company had contracts with at that time. She then says something about him knowing how the media is, they'll find you anywhere. She says they don't care if you are working. They'll find you and harass you.

That part starts around the 24 minute mark.

All of what I typed above is paraphrased. It isn't word for word.

[lorettalockhorn]

Out of curiosity, do Puerto Ricans do the same thing with names as Mexicans, where the pattern is (personal name) (father's name) (mother's name), but usually the mother's name is abbreviated. For example Jose Ramirez Torres is Jose Ramirez T. ?

I'm clueless on that. I have read that Fernandez is Zenaida's father's surname, so when she uses the ZFG moniker, she's likely going by American customs. To be honest, I'm not sure if she was born in PR and moved to the mainland, or is simply PR by birth and never lived there at all.

PS Just watched part of The Naked Archeologist. mmmm Simcha. hotchacha!

[lorettalockhorn]

This is why imo and moo are so important

That always amuses me somewhat. Why would anyone be in the habit of posting the opinions of others without providing a link?

[Twinners]

Sean mentions people wondering why she doesn't go after her employer if she was wrongfully terminated. Zenaida says it's because she has an opportunity to go back there. She then talks about loving her job. She would like to go back to it when this is all done. She isn't going to hurt them. That's the whole point. She wants her life back. Again, she mentions not hurting the company because they helped her out a lot and had her back, like when her kids were sick, they understood that. She says she has open doors there and that she doesn't want to close it.

Again, all paraphrased.

[Twinners]

That was my first thought-why would such a reputable lawyer represent her pro-bono if this was going to be thrown out. Good to know living in a shelter on S.S. and child support is the equivelent of living like a Queen. Good to know. :no:

The lawsuit asks for an amount in excess of $15,000, excluding interest, attorney fees and so forth. If he was doing it pro-bono, would attorney fees even be mentioned? IMO, it sounds like he will receive money if she wins a settlement, but he won't if she doesn't win anything at all.

JMO.

[Twinners]

I'm clueless on that. I have read that Fernandez is Zenaida's father's surname, so when she uses the ZFG moniker, she's likely going by American customs. To be honest, I'm not sure if she was born in PR and moved to the mainland, or is simply PR by birth and never lived there at all.

PS Just watched part of The Naked Archeologist. mmmm Simcha. hotchacha!

But that's just the thing Loretta. It doesn't seem like she has used the "Fernandez-" part of her name anywhere but the lawsuit. Even in the interview I'm listening to now, she always just says "Zenaida Gonzalez", at least up to the point where I am now. She hasn't mentioned "Fernandez" once yet.

[lorettalockhorn]

But that's just the thing Loretta. It doesn't seem like she has used the "Fernandez-" part of her name anywhere but the lawsuit. Even in the interview I'm listening to now, she always just says "Zenaida Gonzalez", at least up to the point where I am now. She hasn't mentioned "Fernandez" once yet.

Whether she actually uses the name or not, doesn't mean that it isn't her name. I think one of the 29 questions JM included in the deposition has something to do with a statement made by Casey or the defense about ZFGs in the phone book. You really have to wonder how many Zenaida Gonzalezes there are in the Orlando area with children whose names appear in Casey's fantasy, who drive a car like the one described with NY plates, who had a connection to Sawgrass apartments, etc. etc. etc.

Aside: I know plenty of women who don't use any part of her maiden name, and plenty of women who when they are divorced are stuck with some guy's name whose guts they hate. LMAO When I was divorced from My Little Love's father, the judge refused to restore my maiden name and I was actually held in contempt of court because I started using my middle name for my last name. MEH I vowed then and there to never use a name other than my father's. If it was good enough for My Sainted Mother, it was good enough for me, and it's on my diplomas. But I don't correct people when they call me Mrs. Lockhorn. However ZFG wants to refer to herself is A-OK with me.

[Twinners]

Okay, I'm done listening to the interview for now.

Of note, Zenaida repeatedly says the only thing she wants to do is clear her name, something I certainly don't blame her for. She talks about receiving phone calls at all hours of the night (she is doing the interview from her cell phone), hate mail (mostly by email, I think) and threats against her life and the lives of her daughters.

At one point during the interview, she says she doesn't babysit for anyone, not even her grandkids. Sean also mentions something about her daughter going to the same tattoo place as Casey. Zenaida says no, that her daughter only does tattoos for their family.

In the last part of the interview I heard, Sean mentions Zenaida being cleared of any wrongdoing by police. She said that she has been cleared by detectives, the police and so forth.

I'm off until tonight. Have a great Sunday afternoon everyone!

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, I'm done listening to the interview for now.

Of note, Zenaida repeatedly says the only thing she wants to do is clear her name, something I certainly don't blame her for. She talks about receiving phone calls at all hours of the night (she is doing the interview from her cell phone), hate mail (mostly by email, I think) and threats against her life and the lives of her daughters.

At one point during the interview, she says she doesn't babysit for anyone, not even her grandkids. Sean also mentions something about her daughter going to the same tattoo place as Casey. Zenaida says no, that her daughter only does tattoos for their family.

In the last part of the interview I heard, Sean mentions Zenaida being cleared of any wrongdoing by police. She said that she has been cleared by detectives, the police and so forth.

I'm off until tonight. Have a great Sunday afternoon everyone!

RE: Zenaida suing her employer for firing her, I don't think any laws were broken there. Casey and the Ants did break the law by slandering and/or libeling ZFG.

Thanks for the synopsis!! :seeya:

[Zingo]

I know your laws are different down there. In Canada you would be suspended with pay if the crime was not commited in the workplace or on work time. If a work related crime-suspension without pay until proven guilty. If an employer ever tried to fire prior to a conviction they would be sued Mach 90. So it is not a common thing up here. Our unions are so strong up here that if u are unionized u can get away with alot-you just have to claim stress made u steal or show up drunk to work etc. etc. You are provided with re-hab,counselling whatever needed. Your job is held for you. Makes it bad for the honest guy but unions do have their place. My Dad was management and trying to fire a federal gov. employee typically took about 2 years with lots of documentation and good reason. This guy would leave about 2 hrs before his til midnight shift ended amongst other employee bad acts.. A buddy would punch out his time card for him. My Dad caught wind of it so every couple of months he would stop by after 10 p.m. to try to bust the guy. Never seemed to hit the right nights. Dad knew where he was but would never step foot in the sleazy local peeler bar. One day Dad arrives at wok at his usual 6 a.m. to be informed said guy was killed the night prior. Hit by a train at 11:00 p.m. One hr. before his shift was suppose to end. What a way to get busted. :no:

Wow, what a story. Karma is a B***C!!!

[Amy]

I noticed in the obit that Cindy's brother ws left out of the surviving family.

Aunts and uncles as a rule aren't listed in the obits in this area. Don't know the practice in FL. Here, it's parents, siblings, grandparents, greatgrands if they are around (sometimes even listed as "the late.....") SOMETIMES, but not usually, "several aunts and uncles and cousins" is written. For some, they might list "several nieces and nephews." But these are rarely by name.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, I'm done listening to the interview for now.

Of note, Zenaida repeatedly says the only thing she wants to do is clear her name, something I certainly don't blame her for. She talks about receiving phone calls at all hours of the night (she is doing the interview from her cell phone), hate mail (mostly by email, I think) and threats against her life and the lives of her daughters.

At one point during the interview, she says she doesn't babysit for anyone, not even her grandkids. Sean also mentions something about her daughter going to the same tattoo place as Casey. Zenaida says no, that her daughter only does tattoos for their family.

In the last part of the interview I heard, Sean mentions Zenaida being cleared of any wrongdoing by police. She said that she has been cleared by detectives, the police and so forth.

I'm off until tonight. Have a great Sunday afternoon everyone!

Just wanted to add that I've looked at the Orange County court records, and while there are several cases involving a Zenaida Gonzalez, it is difficult to ascertain if they are all the same ZG without a DOB listed. (One case does list DOB.) There are many Zenaida Gonzalezes listed in the Orlando area.

[Amy]

The lawsuit asks for an amount in excess of $15,000, excluding interest, attorney fees and so forth. If he was doing it pro-bono, would attorney fees even be mentioned? IMO, it sounds like he will receive money if she wins a settlement, but he won't if she doesn't win anything at all.

JMO.

From Wikipedia:

Pro bono legal counsel

Pro bono legal counsel may assist an individual or group on a legal case by filing government applications or petitions. A judge may occasionally determine that the loser should compensate a winning pro bono counsel.

[edit] United States

Lawyers in the United States are recommended under American Bar Association (ABA) ethical rules to contribute at least fifty hours of pro bono service per year.[1] Some state bar associations, however, may recommend fewer hours. The New York State Bar Association, for example, recommends just twenty hours of pro bono service annually,[2] while the New York City Bar promulgates the same recommendation as the ABA.[3]

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I know there are lawyers who advertise looking for people who want to sue (usually over auto accidents) and they say, you pay our fees only if you win. In some of the stuff I was trying to read, it seems this is how pro-bono works. Especially if the amount won is big, big bucks.

Since there is a question of HOW Casey would pay when she loses, Mr Morgan might very well not collect a cent, if his intention is to be paid from the lawsuit. Or, if ZFG wins the profits of all the selling of pics and videos and stories, he could very well be getting a percentage of that.

IMO, tho, if there is already the selling and such, Baez will @ the least tie up any funds due by putting forth motion after motion after motion about how these deals were done before the suit, etc (which could be why he is stalling the suit, get the money before she loses.) Sure hope Mr Morgan gets a ruling to put all monies in escrow until the suit is over, and some accounting that Baez and/or whomever is acting as the agent to keep the money to be not listed in Casey's or Baez' names has to be legally bound to so the money doesn't go to the defense team or Casey or the A's in any way.

[deputydi]

I found this a little bit ago when trying to find ZFG's middle or maiden name. I can't hear the interview for myself, so I'm not sure how valid it is.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

This was posted last September. What do you all make of it?

ETA: On her police affidavit in July, she did not sign her name as "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez". It was just "Zenaida Gonzalez".
I don't know who this clown is, but it doesn't matter how broke ZG is or isn't! Maybe she is collecting some sort of disability and/or child support -- how does that have anything to do with a civil suit against Casey? Does he think that her disability or unemp or child support payments are going to support her in an opulent life style? For that matter, any monetary judgment she is awarded in this suit will probably be uncollectable. I have no doubt that she filed the lawsuit primarily to clear her name. The woman has gotten death threats for cryin' out loud. I believe she has had trouble finding employment. Is there an employer anywhere that wouldn't be hesitant about hiring someone with such an infamous name? I don't know what line of work she was in pre-Casey, but I would imagine even a resume giving that as her name wouldn't get past the first set of eyes.

Can anyone find a link to somewhere that identifies her as Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales? I've been looking, but I've only seen her referred to as Zenaida Gonzales -- period.

[deputydi]

The lawsuit asks for an amount in excess of $15,000, excluding interest, attorney fees and so forth. If he was doing it pro-bono, would attorney fees even be mentioned? IMO, it sounds like he will receive money if she wins a settlement, but he won't if she doesn't win anything at all.

JMO.
In civil matters it's called a contingency. Any money she is awarded would include the attorney's fee which is an agreed upon percentage (usually 33% but it can go higher). It is possible that he is waiving his contingency fee.

[Gatordog]

Doesn't the employer have the right to fire her if her employment is causing problems for his business? Since people assumed that Morgan's Zenaida is THE Zenaida and she was harassed and threatened, etc., she has a right to take legal action.

You're absolutely right Loretta. Plus Florida is an Employment at Will state and can fire at will. I worked in our HR department and learned this pretty quickly.

"An at-will employee can be fired at any time, for any reason except for a few illegal reasons. If the employer decides to let you go, that's the end of your job -- and you have very limited legal rights to fight your termination."


Gator

[Gatordog]

I found this a little bit ago when trying to find ZFG's middle or maiden name. I can't hear the interview for myself, so I'm not sure how valid it is.



http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=942

This was posted last September. What do you all make of it?

ETA: On her police affidavit in July, she did not sign her name as "Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez". It was just "Zenaida Gonzalez".

I think that John Morgan might be suiing a few more people. I'd be careful about spreading false information

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

From Wikipedia:

Pro bono legal counsel

Pro bono legal counsel may assist an individual or group on a legal case by filing government applications or petitions. A judge may occasionally determine that the loser should compensate a winning pro bono counsel.

[edit] United States

Lawyers in the United States are recommended under American Bar Association (ABA) ethical rules to contribute at least fifty hours of pro bono service per year.[1] Some state bar associations, however, may recommend fewer hours. The New York State Bar Association, for example, recommends just twenty hours of pro bono service annually,[2] while the New York City Bar promulgates the same recommendation as the ABA.[3]

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I know there are lawyers who advertise looking for people who want to sue (usually over auto accidents) and they say, you pay our fees only if you win. In some of the stuff I was trying to read, it seems this is how pro-bono works. Especially if the amount won is big, big bucks.

Since there is a question of HOW Casey would pay when she loses, Mr Morgan might very well not collect a cent, if his intention is to be paid from the lawsuit. Or, if ZFG wins the profits of all the selling of pics and videos and stories, he could very well be getting a percentage of that.

IMO, tho, if there is already the selling and such, Baez will @ the least tie up any funds due by putting forth motion after motion after motion about how these deals were done before the suit, etc (which could be why he is stalling the suit, get the money before she loses.) Sure hope Mr Morgan gets a ruling to put all monies in escrow until the suit is over, and some accounting that Baez and/or whomever is acting as the agent to keep the money to be not listed in Casey's or Baez' names has to be legally bound to so the money doesn't go to the defense team or Casey or the A's in any way.

That could look particularly despicable: for Baez and Casey to have made deals before Caylee's remains were found. Weren't all the Anthonys on the record as believing Caylee was still alive and that when she was returned, their lives would return to normal?

Thanks for the infomation about the pro bono business!

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know who this clown is, but it doesn't matter how broke ZG is or isn't! Maybe she is collecting some sort of disability and/or child support -- how does that have anything to do with a civil suit against Casey? Does he think that her disability or unemp or child support payments are going to support her in an opulent life style? For that matter, any monetary judgment she is awarded in this suit will probably be uncollectable. I have no doubt that she filed the lawsuit primarily to clear her name. The woman has gotten death threats for cryin' out loud. I believe she has had trouble finding employment. Is there an employer anywhere that wouldn't be hesitant about hiring someone with such an infamous name? I don't know what line of work she was in pre-Casey, but I would imagine even a resume giving that as her name wouldn't get past the first set of eyes.

Can anyone find a link to somewhere that identifies her as Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales? I've been looking, but I've only seen her referred to as Zenaida Gonzales -- period.

The suit:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3962607/Questionnare-To-Casey-Anthony-from-Zenaida-Gonzalezs-attorneys

She is also identified as ZFG by many news sources. It doesn't matter whether or not she uses Fernandez as part of her name. It would still be part of her name. I don't often use my middle name, but it's still my middle name. If fact, I rarely spell out my first name, but use my initial instead. But it's still my first name.

[Twinners]

The suit:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3962607/Questionnare-To-Casey-Anthony-from-Zenaida-Gonzalezs-attorneys

She is also identified as ZFG by many news sources. It doesn't matter whether or not she uses Fernandez as part of her name. It would still be part of her name. I don't often use my middle name, but it's still my middle name. If fact, I rarely spell out my first name, but use my initial instead. But it's still my first name.

I totally understand what you are saying, Loretta, but I think the situation with Zenaida is different because it is her last name that is in question. I think, and I could be way off base on this one, her last name has to be either Gonzalez or Fernandez-Gonzalez. It can't be both because a person can't just switch between two different last names, one hyphenated and one not, at least I don't think so.

[Twinners]

I think that John Morgan might be suiing a few more people. I'd be careful about spreading false information

Gator

Thanks, Gator.

That could look particularly despicable: for Baez and Casey to have made deals before Caylee's remains were found. Weren't all the Anthonys on the record as believing Caylee was still alive and that when she was returned, their lives would return to normal?

Thanks for the infomation about the pro bono business!

If Baez made any deals (and I feel certain he did), he probably made them in more general terms, like saying Casey would sell the rights to her story, whatever it may turn out to be.

JMO.

[Twinners]

Thanks for the reminder-Someone did post that info earlier-I forgot. Kraft disease. Kant remember an effing thing lol :hat:

LMAO! I guess I have it too then because I can't remember anything either!

RE: Zenaida suing her employer for firing her, I don't think any laws were broken there. Casey and the Ants did break the law by slandering and/or libeling ZFG.

Thanks for the synopsis!! :seeya:

After listening to her interview, I get the sense that Zenaida wasn't fired in the traditional sense of the word. Therefore, there would be no grounds for her to sue her former employer.

IMO, just going by what I heard on the interview, it sounds more like the owner put Zenaida on unpaid leave until the publicity surrounding her and/or this case died down because her job is still there waiting for her once it does.

ETA: By the way, you're welcome! ;)

[deputydi]

The suit:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3962607/Questionnare-To-Casey-Anthony-from-Zenaida-Gonzalezs-attorneys

She is also identified as ZFG by many news sources. It doesn't matter whether or not she uses Fernandez as part of her name. It would still be part of her name. I don't often use my middle name, but it's still my middle name. If fact, I rarely spell out my first name, but use my initial instead. But it's still my first name.
I agree that it doesn't matter. I just have only seen her referred to as Zenaida Gonzales and in cases like this so many rumors are taken as fact, I just wanted to know where she was called all three names other than news accounts.

Back to my question -- did she sign her Sawgrass app with all three names and if she didn't, how did Casey know about the Fernandez part? I'm not ready to believe it was just a coincidence but it's starting to look that way.

[eatcupcakes]

Yes every time I see that clip I think it is so sweet. And the way she is snuggling up to her Papa and hugging him. It is hard to think that this sweet child is not getting a chance to grow up. It think of the Liar as the Wicked Witch in Sleeping Beauty, she was jealous and tired of her little girl. I think after the Liar was in jail, she was enjoying being the center of attention from her family. How can she stand herself.

Don't know why this is on here 3 times, I must have done something wrong.

I thought Pro Bono means they don't get paid at all. Contingency is when they get paid if they win the case, isen't that how this works.

[lorettalockhorn]

I totally understand what you are saying, Loretta, but I think the situation with Zenaida is different because it is her last name that is in question. I think, and I could be way off base on this one, her last name has to be either Gonzalez or Fernandez-Gonzalez. It can't be both because a person can't just switch between two different last names, one hyphenated and one not, at least I don't think so.

Yes, I believe a person can. At least in Arkansas and where the IRS is concerned. For example, I don't even have a Social Security card with Leroy's last name on it, but our CPA last year mistakenly filled out our tax forms and typed in My Name-Leroy'sSurname. I didn't notice and signed My Name and the upshot was that I am who I am and the IRS agrees. Which is great, because I don't want a card with his name on it; I want to be My Name.

The thing is; Casey may have pulled "Fernandez" out of her arse just for grins. But Morgan's ZFG is the one who suffered, lost her job, lost her job, and has the children who have been harassed and ostracized. Which begs the question: Why won't Casey simply answer the question that Morgan's ZFG is not the ZFG who kidnapped Caylee?

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks, Gator.



If Baez made any deals (and I feel certain he did), he probably made them in more general terms, like saying Casey would sell the rights to her story, whatever it may turn out to be.

JMO.

I was referring to Amy's specific noodling about the deals having been made before the suit was filed which was well before Caylee's remains had been discovered and the Ants were certain that she would be returned and their lives restored. I hardly think that would be possible for Caylee if her mother had used her as chattel while she was "missing" and being moved from pillar to post.

JMO

[eatcupcakes]

Yes, I believe a person can. At least in Arkansas and where the IRS is concerned. For example, I don't even have a Social Security card with Leroy's last name on it, but our CPA last year mistakenly filled out our tax forms and typed in My Name-Leroy'sSurname. I didn't notice and signed My Name and the upshot was that I am who I am and the IRS agrees. Which is great, because I don't want a card with his name on it; I want to be My Name.

The thing is; Casey may have pulled "Fernandez" out of her arse just for grins. But Morgan's ZFG is the one who suffered, lost her job, lost her job, and has the children who have been harassed and ostracized. Which begs the question: Why won't Casey simply answer the question that Morgan's ZFG is not the ZFG who kidnapped Caylee?

Very good point, since she has told LE that this is not the right ZFG. I am sure she has been told by BOZO to just take the 5th or not testify at all. I think Zenita is gonna win her case. I would sure be in her corner. I would not have wanted to be in her shoes in Fl when this case broke. It a lucky she wasn't hurt by someone phyically.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree that it doesn't matter. I just have only seen her referred to as Zenaida Gonzales and in cases like this so many rumors are taken as fact, I just wanted to know where she was called all three names other than news accounts.

Back to my question -- did she sign her Sawgrass app with all three names and if she didn't, how did Casey know about the Fernandez part? I'm not ready to believe it was just a coincidence but it's starting to look that way.

I don't believe in coinky dinks either, but I really think that Casey probably used a name that would be inflammatory as far as garnering Cindy's support, and Fernandez fit the bill being Hispanic/Latina and all.

I think the Sawgrass app was signed ZG, but LP had some scenario that he reeled off the other night on NG, and it seems like he thought that the manager had referred to her as ZFG and Casey overheard.

Aside: I feel certain that Morgan and Mitnik have vetted ZFG's name before they filed the suit using Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez as the plaintiff.

[deputydi]

Don't know why this is on here 3 times, I must have done something wrong.

I thought Pro Bono means they don't get paid at all. Contingency is when they get paid if they win the case, isen't that how this works.
Yes. Pro Bono is used in criminal cases when the defense atty agrees to waive his/her fee. The full phrase in latin is "pro bono publico" which translated means "for the public good". Defense attorneys are urged by the bar to take on a certain percentage of pro bono cases.

Civil cases are taken on "contingency" which means the attorney doesn't get paid if he loses. If the award is high, the attorney reaps a bonanza but when the award is low or non-existant, he has to eat it.

The ZFG suit is civil and Atty Morgan probably took it on contingency. I think he agreed to waive his contingent fee.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't know why this is on here 3 times, I must have done something wrong.

I thought Pro Bono means they don't get paid at all. Contingency is when they get paid if they win the case, isen't that how this works.

Missed your post earlier about Caylee with Mr. Plesea. What gets to me is that we know that most likely between twelve and 24 hours later she is dead. And the last thing that we see of her is an act of caring and comfort to her Papa.

Amy's article explains that even if a case is handled pro bono, the judge can still award $$ to go toward legal fees and the cost of putting on the case. (At least that's how I interpreted it.)

[deputydi]

I don't believe in coinky dinks either, but I really think that Casey probably used a name that would be inflammatory as far as garnering Cindy's support, and Fernandez fit the bill being Hispanic/Latina and all.

I think the Sawgrass app was signed ZG, but LP had some scenario that he reeled off the other night on NG, and it seems like he thought that the manager had referred to her as ZFG and Casey overheard.

Aside: I feel certain that Morgan and Mitnik have vetted ZFG's name before they filed the suit using Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez as the plaintiff.
I know Casey mentioned "Zanny" to several of her friends prior to Caylee going missing, but did anyone say they had ever heard the full name?

[lorettalockhorn]

I know Casey mentioned "Zanny" to several of her friends prior to Caylee going missing, but did anyone say they had ever heard the full name?

dd, I really don't think anyone has said that she used Zenaida, let alone Gonzalez or Fernandez-Gonzalez. There's no telling when she came up with it. Or how. Or if it relates to the neighbors names combined. It'll be interesting if Morgan's lawsuit poses a theory of that and if it matches the theory that the prosecution presents during the criminal trial.

[deputydi]

Missed your post earlier about Caylee with Mr. Plesea. What gets to me is that we know that most likely between twelve and 24 hours later she is dead. And the last thing that we see of her is an act of caring and comfort to her Papa.

Amy's article explains that even if a case is handled pro bono, the judge can still award $$ to go toward legal fees and the cost of putting on the case. (At least that's how I interpreted it.)
Your interpretation is correct and I'd love to see that happen!!! What sweet justice it would be.

[Twinners]

I agree that it doesn't matter. I just have only seen her referred to as Zenaida Gonzales and in cases like this so many rumors are taken as fact, I just wanted to know where she was called all three names other than news accounts.

Back to my question -- did she sign her Sawgrass app with all three names and if she didn't, how did Casey know about the Fernandez part? I'm not ready to believe it was just a coincidence but it's starting to look that way.

That's really all I want to know too. Had she ever used the name Fernandez-Gonzalez prior to Caylee being reported missing? From all I have seen so far, I just don't think she did. That changes everything, IMO.

[Twinners]

Yes, I believe a person can. At least in Arkansas and where the IRS is concerned. For example, I don't even have a Social Security card with Leroy's last name on it, but our CPA last year mistakenly filled out our tax forms and typed in My Name-Leroy'sSurname. I didn't notice and signed My Name and the upshot was that I am who I am and the IRS agrees. Which is great, because I don't want a card with his name on it; I want to be My Name.

The thing is; Casey may have pulled "Fernandez" out of her arse just for grins. But Morgan's ZFG is the one who suffered, lost her job, lost her job, and has the children who have been harassed and ostracized. Which begs the question: Why won't Casey simply answer the question that Morgan's ZFG is not the ZFG who kidnapped Caylee?

You're starting to wear me down, Loretta! LOL. That, of course, doesn't mean my opinion has changed. I just might be running out of things to say! LOL.

By the way, I have to say this before I get into the other stuff. When you call your "little love" your "little love", my heart absolutely melts. I think that is one of the sweetest, most endearing endearments I have ever heard from parent to child and my heart just turns to mush each time you say it. :rose:

Okay, back to the other stuff. I think what your accountant typed didn't matter as much because a) they had your SSN and b) you signed your actual legal name. That, IMO, made a difference.

Now, if we are to believe Zenaida signed her actual legal name on say, legal or other important documents, then I think the signature on her affidavit shows that Fernandez-Gonzalez is not her legal name because all she signed was Gonzalez. She also only signed Gonzalez on the paper w/the picture of Caylee and the one on the picture of Casey.

I know you don't think that makes a difference, but I do. If no one knew her as Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez prior to Caylee's disappearance, then there is no way Casey could have meant her, IMO. That, IMO, is what could make her lawsuit against Casey invalid. Casey never said, that I can recall, that she is the Zenaida she mentioned. Neither did the police. In fact, the police questioned her and determined she isn't the Zenaida. That, IMO, should have been enough to clear her name, which is all Zenaida said she wanted.

JMO.

ETA: And, I think what Casey said in the third (I think!) call to 911 is relevant to this case as well. IIRC, she spelled Zenaida's first name to the operator and mentioned the hyphen between Fernandez and Gonzalez.

[lorettalockhorn]

You're starting to wear me down, Loretta! LOL. That, of course, doesn't mean my opinion has changed. I just might be running out of things to say! LOL.

By the way, I have to say this before I get into the other stuff. When you call your "little love" your "little love", my heart absolutely melts. I think that is one of the sweetest, most endearing endearments I have ever heard from parent to child and my heart just turns to mush each time you say it. :rose:

Okay, back to the other stuff. I think what your accountant typed didn't matter as much because a) they had your SSN and b) you signed your actual legal name. That, IMO, made a difference.

Now, if we are to believe Zenaida signed her actual legal name on say, legal or other important documents, then I think the signature on her affidavit shows that Fernandez-Gonzalez is not her legal name because all she signed was Gonzalez. She also only signed Gonzalez on the paper w/the picture of Caylee and the one on the picture of Casey.

I know you don't think that makes a difference, but I do. If no one knew her as Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez prior to Caylee's disappearance, then there is no way Casey could have meant her, IMO. That, IMO, is what could make her lawsuit against Casey invalid. Casey never said, that I can recall, that she is the Zenaida she mentioned. Neither did the police. In fact, the police questioned her and determined she isn't the Zenaida. That, IMO, should have been enough to clear her name, which is all Zenaida said she wanted.

JMO.

ETA: And, I think what Casey said in the third (I think!) call to 911 is relevant to this case as well. IIRC, she spelled Zenaida's first name to the operator and mentioned the hyphen between Fernandez and Gonzalez.

HAH! My Little Love is what Mame Dennis called her nephew in Auntie Mame by Patrick Dennis (and the movie by the same name). She wasn't um er uh the most conventional parental unit by any means, but I loved that book from the first time I read it, and the movie when I finally saw it. I've always referred to my now 32 year old that way!

Casey may very well have not meant Morgan's ZFG when she started this business, but Morgan's ZFG has the car that matched Casey's description, was at the Sawgrass apartments, has children with names the same as Casey has woven into her Ffantasy, and is the ZFG who has been defamed by Casey. I do think she somehow got Zenaida's name from the card or possibly even overheard it as LP has proposed. And the intent at the onset of the fable doesn't matter to me. What does matter is the damage done to this woman and her children.

Let's just say that if you and I were on the jury together, there might likely be a hung jury! Because Casey (and G&C) have caused harm to Morgan's ZFG. And at this point the intent is to not clear her name by refusing to be deposed.

[SaraSidle]

Interesting points, Di. I've always wondered how defense attorneys can defend someone they think is guilty. I suppose that happens everyday, and they can still present their case without actually "lying" to the jury. But how do defense attorneys advise their clients to "plea" if they presume they are innocent? I suppose the defendant is presented with the options, and makes the ultimate decision about whether to accept the offer. It seems very shady being a defense attorney when your duty is to defend someone who is guilty.

My grandpa was an attorney (mostly corporate defense work) but early in his career he had briefly been a public defender. He said he resigned from a murder case when he believed his client was guilty. He didn't last long as a public defender.

I have always thought all the same things above Zingo. my grandfather was also an attorney in NY but when they started making deals with guily defendants he quit and went into politics. I guess I cannot blame him. the only time I see deals worthwhile is too bring home the missing dead or alive. I wanted to be an attorney at one point but I am not proud of the position now. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

You're absolutely right Loretta. Plus Florida is an Employment at Will state and can fire at will. I worked in our HR department and learned this pretty quickly.

"An at-will employee can be fired at any time, for any reason except for a few illegal reasons. If the employer decides to let you go, that's the end of your job -- and you have very limited legal rights to fight your termination."


Gator

Gator would one of the illegal reasons be age discrimination?

[Justice Denied?]

And, listening to her LE interview, Casey tells the detective she has known Zanny since Christmas "four years ago." Hmmmm......2004. Quite some time before Caylee was even a twinkle in Casey's eye. Of course, maybe Zanny was working @ Universal the same time Casey worked the kiosk? (altho, I would think, if she came form a rich family in 2008, she would have been from a rich family in 2004. I guess that woman just WANTS to work!!!!

I am confused about Casey's employment (or lack thereof.) She supposedly worked for Universal until April '06, then a Colorivsion/Kodak kiosk on the Universal lot at some point. She also claims to have worked at Sports Authority. Can someone explain this and give some dates?

[deputydi]

<snip>I know you don't think that makes a difference, but I do. If no one knew her as Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez prior to Caylee's disappearance, then there is no way Casey could have meant her, IMO. <snip>
I hope you guys don't mind if I step in here. Loretta is right -- Zenaida can legally use her name as Fernandez-Gonzales or just Gonzales. If she has ever used the hyphenated version -- even just once -- it becomes part of her identity. Just read the legal notices in the paper. You will see in the estate notices different versions of a person's name. They read "Mary Smith-Jones", aka Mary Jones, aka Mary S Jones, aka Mary Smith" and any other version of the name that person has ever used. It's common in bankruptcy notices also.

[javahog]

That always amuses me somewhat. Why would anyone be in the habit of posting the opinions of others without providing a link?

People misuse it for that. If you say, "Jane Doe is a murderer", versus "Jane Doe is a murderer, in my opinion", well, one is covered by the 1st Amendment, while the other may not be. Imo (:D), it shouldn't be used to say whatever you want without back-up as a lazy thing...( PS, if you "Yelp", watch out! Businesses are going after people who express opinions as facts)

[deputydi]

I have always thought all the same things above Zingo. my grandfather was also an attorney in NY but when they started making deals with guily defendants he quit and went into politics. I guess I cannot blame him. the only time I see deals worthwhile is too bring home the missing dead or alive. I wanted to be an attorney at one point but I am not proud of the position now. IMO sara
My best friend is an ADA so she prosecutes the bad guys. Defense attorneys are a necessary evil, but she says she can't do it. She has played with the notion of going into private practice, but she has said she doesn't have the stomach needed to defend these scumbags. Private practice is way more lucrative but you have to leave your conscience at home.

BTW, sounds to me like grandpa jumped from the frying pan into the fire. I know first hand that politics isn't much better.

[SaraSidle]

I agree that it doesn't matter. I just have only seen her referred to as Zenaida Gonzales and in cases like this so many rumors are taken as fact, I just wanted to know where she was called all three names other than news accounts.

Back to my question -- did she sign her Sawgrass app with all three names and if she didn't, how did Casey know about the Fernandez part? I'm not ready to believe it was just a coincidence but it's starting to look that way.

DD I have been following this from day one. I am the second post here. there is something very strange about where Casey got the full name and I have not seen an explanation since I started. not even the paperowork from the apartments or the fact that the houses Caylee was found by had the same names. there is something hinky about this. I still believe Casey is guilty but among all the bizarre coincidences on this case I find this the strangest. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

Yes, I believe a person can. At least in Arkansas and where the IRS is concerned. For example, I don't even have a Social Security card with Leroy's last name on it, but our CPA last year mistakenly filled out our tax forms and typed in My Name-Leroy'sSurname. I didn't notice and signed My Name and the upshot was that I am who I am and the IRS agrees. Which is great, because I don't want a card with his name on it; I want to be My Name.

The thing is; Casey may have pulled "Fernandez" out of her arse just for grins. But Morgan's ZFG is the one who suffered, lost her job, lost her job, and has the children who have been harassed and ostracized. Which begs the question: Why won't Casey simply answer the question that Morgan's ZFG is not the ZFG who kidnapped Caylee?

loretta you know I have been out of touch for a while but in the beginning of this case I do believe that Casey and Zenaida were both shown pictures of each other and neither one recognized the other. I do not know the link or anything just something I remember Maybe from NG.....IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

I hope you guys don't mind if I step in here. Loretta is right -- Zenaida can legally use her name as Fernandez-Gonzales or just Gonzales. If she has ever used the hyphenated version -- even just once -- it becomes part of her identity. Just read the legal notices in the paper. You will see in the estate notices different versions of a person's name. They read "Mary Smith-Jones", aka Mary Jones, aka Mary S Jones, aka Mary Smith" and any other version of the name that person has ever used. It's common in bankruptcy notices also.

When my Evil Grandmother died many years after my divorce, she hadn't updated my name with her attorney. When it came time to sign for service and receipt of my portion of her estate, I signed My Name AKA Mrs. Ben Dover Sh!tarse and that was perfectly legal.

You know, it occurs to me that ZFG must have used Fernandez as part of her name somewhere recently in order for people to have been able to single her out for the threats and harassment. Or maybe people just zabasearched every Zenaida Gonzalez in Orlando and called and asked if this was ZFG they were speaking to, and if she answered that she was, they continued with the threat.

[lorettalockhorn]

loretta you know I have been out of touch for a while but in the beginning of this case I do believe that Casey and Zenaida were both shown pictures of each other and neither one recognized the other. I do not know the link or anything just something I remember Maybe from NG.....IMO sara

How's it going? :seeya:

I fully believe that they don't know each other, and I fully believe that Zenaida had never seen Casey before. As to whether or not Casey would actually tell the truth about recognizing Zenaida, it's not hard for me to believe that she would lie. I've read that she claim not to recognize her, but I don't know in what context she was shown the picture.

[SaraSidle]

People misuse it for that. If you say, "Jane Doe is a murderer", versus "Jane Doe is a murderer, in my opinion", well, one is covered by the 1st Amendment, while the other may not be. Imo (:D), it shouldn't be used to say whatever you want without back-up as a lazy thing...( PS, if you "Yelp", watch out! Businesses are going after people who express opinions as facts)

I am at big fault for this. there has been so many links on so many message boards not to mention document downloads that I have lost track and I am too sick and tired to research right now.. I will throw in a memory now and then to help but I can no longer give a link. this is one of the reasons I do not post anymore...I am sorry.........sara

[Justice Denied?]

That was my first thought-why would such a reputable lawyer represent her pro-bono if this was going to be thrown out. Good to know living in a shelter on S.S. and child support is the equivelent of living like a Queen. Good to know. :no:

Before you pack your bags, I wanted to tell you I worked in a shelter for many years and it is no picnic for the women. The one where I worked is the oldest established shelter and has the newest facilities, a 4.5 mil complex.
Howver it is very primative, bunk beds, concrete floors etc. If you come in with nothing, you are dependent on the shelter for everything - food, clothing, sheets, towels, medications, even diapers and sanitary napkins.
You share a kitchen and living area with 4 other families. The only privacy is your bedroom. It's not easy, believe me.

[SaraSidle]

My best friend is an ADA so she prosecutes the bad guys. Defense attorneys are a necessary evil, but she says she can't do it. She has played with the notion of going into private practice, but she has said she doesn't have the stomach needed to defend these scumbags. Private practice is way more lucrative but you have to leave your conscience at home.

BTW, sounds to me like grandpa jumped from the frying pan into the fire. I know first hand that politics isn't much better.
Actually he ruled. became the mayor of Peekskill NY and loved it. then my cousin our age went into law. Litigaition and lawsuits. She gave it up to be a nurse. what can I say? honest genes????? LOL

[SaraSidle]

How's it going? :seeya:

I fully believe that they don't know each other, and I fully believe that Zenaida had never seen Casey before. As to whether or not Casey would actually tell the truth about recognizing Zenaida, it's not hard for me to believe that she would lie. I've read that she claim not to recognize her, but I don't know in what context she was shown the picture.

as my poor memory tells me it was a one picture deal not multiple. still having problems with the coincidences tho. Casey is not that smart IMO sara

[javahog]

I am confused about Casey's employment (or lack thereof.) She supposedly worked for Universal until April '06, then a Colorivsion/Kodak kiosk on the Universal lot at some point. She also claims to have worked at Sports Authority. Can someone explain this and give some dates?

I thought she only worked for the Kodak kiosk at Universal...4-24-06 is the date she got fired.

Sports Authority never happened per George etc.. After she claimed to have been robbed there to explain why she couldn't giver her parents the money she owed them George went there to check her story out. No job.http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=291265

[deputydi]

When my Evil Grandmother died many years after my divorce, she hadn't updated my name with her attorney. When it came time to sign for service and receipt of my portion of her estate, I signed My Name AKA Mrs. Ben Dover Sh!tarse and that was perfectly legal.

You know, it occurs to me that ZFG must have used Fernandez as part of her name somewhere recently in order for people to have been able to single her out for the threats and harassment. Or maybe people just zabasearched every Zenaida Gonzalez in Orlando and called and asked if this was ZFG they were speaking to, and if she answered that she was, they continued with the threat.

I like your style!!!

The biggest mystery in this whole danged saga is the ZFG connection as far as I'm concerned. Just when I think I have it figured out, some poster comes up with a fact that blows my theory to pieces.

[javahog]

I am at big fault for this. there has been so many links on so many message boards not to mention document downloads that I have lost track and I am too sick and tired to research right now.. I will throw in a memory now and then to help but I can no longer give a link. this is one of the reasons I do not post anymore...I am sorry.........sara

Aww, Sara, I didn't mean you! I've seen people flat out give a detailed fact that turned out to not be true, and them they cover with "well its my opinion". In boards that get touchy you see "Link, please!" That always cracks me up. I've never seen you misuse anything!

[javahog]

DD I have been following this from day one. I am the second post here. there is something very strange about where Casey got the full name and I have not seen an explanation since I started. not even the paperowork from the apartments or the fact that the houses Caylee was found by had the same names. there is something hinky about this. I still believe Casey is guilty but among all the bizarre coincidences on this case I find this the strangest. IMO sara

I agree with you. There is something so truly weird about the ZFG past in particular. I switch between "she's a nefarious mastermind who plots like the Zodiac" to "lazy-ass lucky heifer". oh, imo.

[SaraSidle]

Aww, Sara, I didn't mean you! I've seen people flat out give a detailed fact that turned out to not be true, and them they cover with "well its my opinion". In boards that get touchy you see "Link, please!" That always cracks me up. I've never seen you misuse anything!

I appreciate that java. I used to be pretty good about it but lately I have not been up to it. I am also pretty burnt out on this case but still read the posts and if I remember something I feel sure about in docs I will say something. Just to save the rest of you time if I can. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

as my poor memory tells me it was a one picture deal not multiple. still having problems with the coincidences tho. Casey is not that smart IMO sara

I don't think it required any smarts, like maybe she just chose a stereotypical Hispanic name that she knew would inflame Cindy and win her support. Or maybe it does have something to do with the houses in the neighborhood. But def not smarts. Look where it's gotten her!

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes i know what you are saying JD I am a board member at our local womans shelter. It is not the greatest place to be but it is a start. Sad as it is. It was insulting for whats his name to insinuate she lived like a Queen.

Sean's got Issues, if you ask me. And if y'all go to the Orange County clerk's site, you will see that one of the cases involving (a) Zenaida Gonzalez is a domestic case. If it's Morgan's ZFG, it's very likely that she has lived in a battering situation, and now she's in a shelter. That seems like an awful way to live if she's the hoochie mama slacker that some people paint her to be. Still think it would have been easier and much more money to slip and fall at Hellmart.

[javahog]

The ZFG thing might be Casey and her premonitions in action. Maybe she used Zani for Xanax and then kept crossing paths with the name Zenaida. The people on Hopespring, Zenaida of Sawgrass, the doves of Puerto Rico...It was like a sign from God or something...

Maybe ALL the theories are correct.

I'm sure this has been around before, but if anyone hasn't seen the "traffic court theory", here it is too: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing’s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/

[lorettalockhorn]

Aww, Sara, I didn't mean you! I've seen people flat out give a detailed fact that turned out to not be true, and them they cover with "well its my opinion". In boards that get touchy you see "Link, please!" That always cracks me up. I've never seen you misuse anything!

I use Link Please for a screenname on another board! :hat:

I guess I'm just a Doubting Thomas, I figure people are expressing opinions unless they say they read such and such or post a link. I'll try to be more careful (or less opinionated).

Wait. Scratch that opinionated thing.

[lorettalockhorn]

The ZFG thing might be Casey and her premonitions in action. Maybe she used Zani for Xanax and then kept crossing paths with the name Zenaida. The people on Hopespring, Zenaida of Sawgrass, the doves of Puerto Rico...It was like a sign from God or something...

Maybe ALL the theories are correct.

I'm sure this has been around before, but if anyone hasn't seen the "traffic court theory", here it is too: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing’s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/

It's going to be interesting to see what theories the prosecution or Mitnik have about the whole ZFG thing.

[Gatordog]

Gator would one of the illegal reasons be age discrimination?

Yes, age discrimination, sexual harrassment, the biggies can be challanged.

[Amy]

Don't know why this is on here 3 times, I must have done something wrong.

I thought Pro Bono means they don't get paid at all. Contingency is when they get paid if they win the case, isen't that how this works.

From the Wikipedia thing, it sounded like, after a pro bono case is won, the judge can award attorney fees from the amount awarded. In one article, the amount was awarded from the losing party, tho. I don't know, this is confusing, but since the whole case is, don't know why this part wouldn't be.;)

[SaraSidle]

Yes, age discrimination, sexual harrassment, the biggies can be challanged.

Interesting. old enough to be let go and old enough not to hire. thank you

[One2Snoop]

Aww, Sara, I didn't mean you! I've seen people flat out give a detailed fact that turned out to not be true, and them they cover with "well its my opinion". In boards that get touchy you see "Link, please!" That always cracks me up. I've never seen you misuse anything!

That's what I like about this board. We've not had the dysfunction here for the most part and if a disagreement pursues, proof has been asked for in a respectful way. I know some of us have a difference of opinion on certain subjects but that's "normal" IMO .

There are still a few people who come here and sign up under new nics and try to cause drama. The sooner they realize they won't get away with the attention seeking drama they want the better off they (all of us) will be! :beer:

[Amy]

dd, I really don't think anyone has said that she used Zenaida, let alone Gonzalez or Fernandez-Gonzalez. There's no telling when she came up with it. Or how. Or if it relates to the neighbors names combined. It'll be interesting if Morgan's lawsuit poses a theory of that and if it matches the theory that the prosecution presents during the criminal trial.

I agree. The only thing I have read/heard any others say was that she had said "Zanny." Even Cindy didn't say, in her interviews with LE/FE "Zenaida." She said "Zanny." And no last name, hyphenated or not. But, for a grandmother who didn't have a clue what the phone # or address was of the nanny, I don't suppose she bothered with what the nanny's last name was, either. (There I go again!!! OF COURSE she didn't---THERE WAS NO NANNY!!!!) I wonder exactly when it was that the A's actually first heard the name, tho. Cuz George, in one of HIS interviews says that Caylee had no reaction to the name Zanny when he would talk to her. So, she had to have told them SOMETHING prior to the first part of June, for George to be asking Caylee about Zanny.

[Amy]

Gator would one of the illegal reasons be age discrimination?

Not Gator here, but it is age, sex, race, religion.

[Amy]

I am confused about Casey's employment (or lack thereof.) She supposedly worked for Universal until April '06, then a Colorivsion/Kodak kiosk on the Universal lot at some point. She also claims to have worked at Sports Authority. Can someone explain this and give some dates?

She never worked FOR Universal. Her job was the Colorvision/Kodak kiosk on Universal grounds. That is the job that ended in 2006. I can't remember who mentioned it George? Lee? LP?) but it seems it "ended" for poor work attendance?

She told her dad some cock and bull story about working @ Sports Authority and getting robbed, and when he checked it out (being the good ex-LE dad) he found she did NOT work there. I don't recall if he mentioned the dates she claimed to have worked there--he did talk about this in either the LE or the FBI interview. What would be interesting is--wonder if he ever confronted her about THAT lie? (Or, if he did and mentioned it in the interview, I have forgotten.)

[Twinners]

Just found a news article that mentions Casey being shown a picture of the Zenaida we are discussing and saying she didn't recognize her.



Thursday, August 7, 2008

Police: Gonzalez Not Involved

Meanwhile, investigators said Gonzalez has no involvement in the case.

"We don't know how exactly how it is her (name came up)," Orange County Deputy Carlos Padilla said. "Was it a coincidence? We don't think she is involved at all."

Padilla said Casey Anthony was shown a photo of Gonzalez and she did not recognize her.

"My understanding is that this person has come forward and she said she doesn't want to be bothered anymore," Padilla said. "She is sick and tired of people mentioning her name."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17122200/detail.html

I thought I read something to that effect in the documents I read yesterday. I'll try to find it again and post it.

[Amy]

I hope you guys don't mind if I step in here. Loretta is right -- Zenaida can legally use her name as Fernandez-Gonzales or just Gonzales. If she has ever used the hyphenated version -- even just once -- it becomes part of her identity. Just read the legal notices in the paper. You will see in the estate notices different versions of a person's name. They read "Mary Smith-Jones", aka Mary Jones, aka Mary S Jones, aka Mary Smith" and any other version of the name that person has ever used. It's common in bankruptcy notices also.

I had forgotten that. It gets confusing here, with the Mexican population. Because husband and wife might be Carlos Hernandez-Munoz and his wife is Maria Martinez-Hernandez (am not sure which place the name both have is used in either name.) I know part of it has to do with her maiden name, do NOT have a clue what the names represent for him. Mostly they would be known as Carlos and Maria Hernandez.

[Amy]

loretta you know I have been out of touch for a while but in the beginning of this case I do believe that Casey and Zenaida were both shown pictures of each other and neither one recognized the other. I do not know the link or anything just something I remember Maybe from NG.....IMO sara

That is in a report of the investigation by I think Yuri. It is in the documents somewhere. I came across this again when looking for something a couple of weeks ago.

[javahog]

That's what I like about this board. We've not had the dysfunction here for the most part and if a disagreement pursues, proof has been asked for in a respectful way. I know some of us have a difference of opinion on certain subjects but that's "normal" IMO .

There are still a few people who come here and sign up under new nics and try to cause drama. The sooner they realize they won't get away with the attention seeking drama they want the better off they (all of us) will be! :beer:

But isn't it fun seeing us all turn on the trolls like a pack of rabid orcs?

[Amy]

How's it going? :seeya:

I fully believe that they don't know each other, and I fully believe that Zenaida had never seen Casey before. As to whether or not Casey would actually tell the truth about recognizing Zenaida, it's not hard for me to believe that she would lie. I've read that she claim not to recognize her, but I don't know in what context she was shown the picture.

I don't remember if the investigator said there was more than one pic, or just this Zenaida's pic. Anyway, I do remember one of Cindy's tirades, probably to reporters in front of her house, or as she and George were going to/from the jail. She claims the picture shown to Casey was all wrong--she had told the detective she was early 20's, NO CHILDREN, and that wavy-straight hair, dark, I think. And, of course, THIS Zenaida is a few years past early 20's, has children, and her hair is light.

I don't know if she was shown SEVERAL pictures and Cindy was carrying on because this is the only Zenaida who has gone public with the situation, or if she was the only one w/the Fernandez link and this was the only pic they showed.

[One2Snoop]

But isn't it fun seeing us all turn on the trolls like a pack of rabid orcs?

LMAO :beer:

[Amy]

The ZFG thing might be Casey and her premonitions in action. Maybe she used Zani for Xanax and then kept crossing paths with the name Zenaida. The people on Hopespring, Zenaida of Sawgrass, the doves of Puerto Rico...It was like a sign from God or something...

Maybe ALL the theories are correct.

I'm sure this has been around before, but if anyone hasn't seen the "traffic court theory", here it is too: http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing’s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/

Thanks for the link!! I remembered reading somewhere about the traffic court, and whether or not there was stolen ID involved, but just couldn't remember where!!!!

[Twinners]

Page 30 – Casey's handwritten statement says Zenaida is 25 years old, birthday in September

Guest Card – Page 46

Statement – ZG – Page 47

Copy of Casey’s drivers license, with signed note from ZG saying she didn’t know her. – Page 48

Copy of Caylee’s picture w/signed note from ZG saying she didn’t know her. – Page 49

Guest Card (Second Copy) – Page 50

Look at the way ZG’s name is written on the card. Doesn’t it almost look like there is an initial before the name Zenaida? FYI, As per the guest services guys statement, he was the one who filled out ZG’s card.

Then there is some info on the last known tenants of apt. 210.

Part of an Interview w/Casey – Page 54

Guest Card (Third Copy) – Page 56

Statements from Sawgrass people – 57 – 60

Transcripts of the 911 calls come next.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

[Amy]

I use Link Please for a screenname on another board! :hat:

I guess I'm just a Doubting Thomas, I figure people are expressing opinions unless they say they read such and such or post a link. I'll try to be more careful (or less opinionated).

Wait. Scratch that opinionated thing.

LOL on the nic. And, it doesn't SHOW that you are opinionated!!! ;)

I do not always have the link @ hand, such as in the gazillion newspaper articles, or the bazillion show transcripts, but do try to give a time frame and where I think I read/heard it. Probably not kosher, but I don't have a clue where to look for some of the stuff. And, usually when I head off to look, it's HOURS before I get back, the subject has changed, and I'm 4 pages behind!!! :eek:

[Twinners]

And, usually when I head off to look, it's HOURS before I get back, the subject has changed, and I'm 4 pages behind!!! :eek:
Ditto! That kind of thing happens to me all the time. I get lost trying to find something, then when I head back, what I found isn't even relevant to the conversation anymore!

:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Yes, age discrimination, sexual harrassment, the biggies can be challanged.

I'm just wondering how well this will be received concerning the current economic situation? :shrug: I know quite a few people who are college educated in their field of interest that are taking jobs at Home Depot and Starbucks. :eek: Scary times. IMO.

[Twinners]

Page 239

The detectives did talk to another Zenaida Gonzalez.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

ETA: Info Lee gave the police about Zenaida is on page 276.

[Amy]

I'm just wondering how well this will be received concerning the current economic situation? :shrug: I know quite a few people who are college educated in their field of interest that are taking jobs at Home Depot and Starbucks. :eek: Scary times. IMO.

This isn't a new thing, really. It also happens when certain markets are oversaturated. Say, when everyone and their twin brother became lawyers, and after a couple of years, newly graduated, bar-passing lawyers couldn't get the jobs they wanted, and usually were same as lawclerks if they wanted to work in that field. Happened w/MBA's, and with computer stuff. About the only careers not affected seemed to be in the medical professions.

[javahog]

I'm just wondering how well this will be received concerning the current economic situation? :shrug: I know quite a few people who are college educated in their field of interest that are taking jobs at Home Depot and Starbucks. :eek: Scary times. IMO.

Ain't that the truth...ot, sorry, but I did hear from a neighbor in construction that he's seen a big pick-up in projects in the last month after a devastating few months, and now he's as busy as he wants to be...good sign for a recovery soon?

[javahog]

This isn't a new thing, really. It also happens when certain markets are oversaturated. Say, when everyone and their twin brother became lawyers, and after a couple of years, newly graduated, bar-passing lawyers couldn't get the jobs they wanted, and usually were same as lawclerks if they wanted to work in that field. Happened w/MBA's, and with computer stuff. About the only careers not affected seemed to be in the medical professions.

Here in California, its everybody in every field. Even the staple of government work is off-state employees just got a 10% pay cut and furloughs. Its not new grads, its experienced professionals. Its broad-based and devastating. I've lived here my whole life and this is the worst since the Carter years.

[Twinners]

Sean's got Issues, if you ask me. And if y'all go to the Orange County clerk's site, you will see that one of the cases involving (a) Zenaida Gonzalez is a domestic case. If it's Morgan's ZFG, it's very likely that she has lived in a battering situation, and now she's in a shelter. That seems like an awful way to live if she's the hoochie mama slacker that some people paint her to be. Still think it would have been easier and much more money to slip and fall at Hellmart.

My own personal opinion of Sean is that he is a blowhard who likes to hear himself speak. ;) I felt the "article" I posted pieces of this morning was more of an opinion piece than anything else. Although I do think his opinions seemed to be formed by what Zenaida said in her interview, I felt his article was more or less an attempt to try to sway people into having that same opinion too. That's the reason I listened to the interview myself. I prefer to make my opinion on the actual information, not his opinion of said information. Not sure if that makes any sense. I may be more tired than I thought. :eek:

I don't necessarily think Zenaida is a hoochie mama slacker, or someone who lives like a queen. I do, however, think she is someone who has chosen to use this situation to her advantage. That's something I don't much care for, especially when you consider that there are other ZG's out there who may be able to do the same thing, but have chosen not to do so.

[One2Snoop]

Ain't that the truth...ot, sorry, but I did hear from a neighbor in construction that he's seen a big pick-up in projects in the last month after a devastating few months, and now he's as busy as he wants to be...good sign for a recovery soon?

We can only hope! :beer:

[One2Snoop]

Here in California, its everybody in every field. Even the staple of government work is off-state employees just got a 10% pay cut and furloughs. Its not new grads, its experienced professionals. Its broad-based and devastating. I've lived here my whole life and this is the worst since the Carter years.

I just assumed every state was experiencing the same sort of situations that California was - at least the news depicts the economic situation is bad all over. My teens can't even find part time jobs because professionals are taking anything they can get even at the local fast food restaurants. :shrug:

[Twinners]

I finally found the info on when Casey was shown the picture(s) of Zenaida(s). It looks like it happened at or around the same time she was interviewed at Universal. A detective showed her pictures of all the Zenaida Gonzalez's in the state's drivers license and info database. She didn't recognize any of them. Photos of the Zenaida from Sawgrass were specifically pulled up. Casey said she didn't recognize her and said, "she's too old."

That info, along with the info on Zenaida giving her statement, can be found on page 15 of the timeline document. Here's the link.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

It looks to me like Morgan's ZFG and Casey both said they didn't recognize the other on the exactly the same day, one right after the other, not that it makes any difference. LOL.

So, if Casey has already said Morgan's ZFG is not "the" ZFG, why does he need her to say it again?

[sharlock]

Sean's got Issues, if you ask me. And if y'all go to the Orange County clerk's site, you will see that one of the cases involving (a) Zenaida Gonzalez is a domestic case. If it's Morgan's ZFG, it's very likely that she has lived in a battering situation, and now she's in a shelter. That seems like an awful way to live if she's the hoochie mama slacker that some people paint her to be. Still think it would have been easier and much more money to slip and fall at Hellmart.

I think he has issues myself Loretta and I find his reporting very hypocritical and childish. There are so many egs. of this but I will only name a few. Sean totally whips anyone who he thinks is trying to gain from Caylee but it is obvious that he too was trying to get inside scoops and was prepared to to do whatever he had too, no matter how questionable, to do so.

When he was cultivating the friendship with Cindy his emails revealed that he sucked up to her in every way possible and it is very clear if you read his article that she never said Casey killed Caylee and that he decided the fact that she said nothing was the equivalent of her saying everything lol. I wonder if he ever considered that Cindy was speechless that he even had the balls to ask this after he had consistently told her that he respected her right to believe Casey was innocent even though he didn't agree. She never said it and he LIED so by Krauses standards he should now become the subject of an ambush of the same magnitude that he pulled on Zenaida.

He admits in his emails to Cindy that he thinks ZG is trash for suing as well as spoon feeding her this rubbish from his so called investigation to her and imo this was simply another means to try and get Cindy to trust him and give him the interview he so desperately wanted. It was obvious too that it was sour grapes, that Cindy did not, that turned Sean against her.

When he and Rachael interviewed Zenaida they both were leading in the questions and agreed and cooed over everything she said; and then after she got off the line he proceeded to bash her and her rep as if Casey hadn't already done a good enough job of that. He made a huge deal of the fact she was recieving a measly soc security payment, he tried to say that a hummer was the car that ZG drove when it was not, he tried to say that her name was ZCG not ZFG and never once mentioned that as a hispanic it is very common to use the children's father in your name and he certainly never mentioned that the fathers name was Fernandez because that didn't suit the story he wanted to tell.

He admits right from the get-go that he asked Rachael to interview first because he hoped she might be more open with her and he would have a better chance of trying to catch her out then after some posters called him on this in the comments he tried to say that he never intended to catch her in a lie and he only found out she was lying later that night...hmmm.

He sits there and talks about his integrity and how he won't tolerate liars but what I witnessed was more revealing of Sean's own character. He himself has requested assistance and money from his followers to buy a new laptop but he vilified ZG for not even doing that.

She never asked and only after they used leading questions to get her to address the fact he WANTED to put up a paypal account and Rachael said things like"you certainly deserve it" after Zenaida said she didn't really care about that, she only wanted to clear her name and stated that if people wanted to help her that was fine but that she would live and survive with or without this assistance.

I think that if she truly only did the interview for a paypal link then she would have made an appeal for people to send money to it and that did not happen. Sean claimed that she only agreed to the interview because he had told her he MIGHT put up a link if he believed her story~ what a joke. It is sooo obvious that he is lying because ZG does have a story to tell that people do want to hear and she could provide a pic of a rattler at an interview like Kronk and get $20, 000 for it too if she wanted to so why would she be so desperate for a stupid paypal link. She sounded sincere and upset for her kids on that interview and Rachael and he initially sounded caring and encouraging only to show their true colours when ZG could no longer reply to defend herself.:cuss:

Wow..(Shar takes a breath) I hadn't realised just how upset I had been by that interview, I apologise for the length of my rant.

[sharlock]

When my Evil Grandmother died many years after my divorce, she hadn't updated my name with her attorney. When it came time to sign for service and receipt of my portion of her estate, I signed My Name AKA Mrs. Ben Dover Sh!tarse and that was perfectly legal.

You know, it occurs to me that ZFG must have used Fernandez as part of her name somewhere recently in order for people to have been able to single her out for the threats and harassment. Or maybe people just zabasearched every Zenaida Gonzalez in Orlando and called and asked if this was ZFG they were speaking to, and if she answered that she was, they continued with the threat.
Fernandez is her children's Fathers surname and that shows when you look her up on the database I believe. I will try to find the link for this but I do remember looking at this and interestingly enough it also showed among relatives a Gloria. In my mind hyphenated surnames are predominantly a mixture of the mother and father's surnames so it seems a completely reasonable assumption to think that ZG would use his name with hers.
Also iirc noone ever heard Casye use a last name in relation to Zenaida prior to Caylee going missing. Feel free to correcct me if I am wrong it is late and I am tired lol.

[sharlock]

I don't remember if the investigator said there was more than one pic, or just this Zenaida's pic. Anyway, I do remember one of Cindy's tirades, probably to reporters in front of her house, or as she and George were going to/from the jail. She claims the picture shown to Casey was all wrong--she had told the detective she was early 20's, NO CHILDREN, and that wavy-straight hair, dark, I think. And, of course, THIS Zenaida is a few years past early 20's, has children, and her hair is light.

I don't know if she was shown SEVERAL pictures and Cindy was carrying on because this is the only Zenaida who has gone public with the situation, or if she was the only one w/the Fernandez link and this was the only pic they showed.
I believe that this ZG was singled out because she was the only one that could be linked to the apartment she supposedly lived in at Sawgrass Apt. Casey was adamant that was where ZG lived and then during that very month a ZG does go there? Wow what a coinkydink. Not to mention the car with LA plates. The implication whether or not Casey id'd her from a pic is that this ZG must have been involved~ she allowed someone to use her Id to trick Casey and was at the apartment for nefarious purposes. Casey was never going to match a photo to the name or she would have got herself in too deep but she had to have used this ZG when planning her story and that link alone made ZG a POI. If the police were initially being open minded regardless of Caseys lies then they could only think that this ZG somehow was mixed up in all of this and that imo is what Casey wanted them to think which is a good enough reason for a lawsuit imo.

[sharlock]

Just found a news article that mentions Casey being shown a picture of the Zenaida we are discussing and saying she didn't recognize her.



http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17122200/detail.html

I thought I read something to that effect in the documents I read yesterday. I'll try to find it again and post it.
I finally found the info on when Casey was shown the picture(s) of Zenaida(s). It looks like it happened at or around the same time she was interviewed at Universal. A detective showed her pictures of all the Zenaida Gonzalez's in the state's drivers license and info database. She didn't recognize any of them. Photos of the Zenaida from Sawgrass were specifically pulled up. Casey said she didn't recognize her and said, "she's too old."

That info, along with the info on Zenaida giving her statement, can be found on page 15 of the timeline document. Here's the link.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...00606.htmlpage (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage)

It looks to me like Morgan's ZFG and Casey both said they didn't recognize the other on the exactly the same day, one right after the other, not that it makes any difference. LOL.

So, if Casey has already said Morgan's ZFG is not "the" ZFG, why does he need her to say it again?
IMO the reason is the one I mentioned earlier. Like Kronk the police can say they don't suspect her all they want but that did not take him out of the hot-seat in any way. The implication from such a huge coincidence imo is that Casey was trying to implicate her while also giving herself an out by describing her beautiful, young, rich, loving and reliable ZG at the same time. Through confusion Casey hoped to bamboozle LE enough to have them chasing their tails and leaving her alone. IMO she wanted them to see that it was too much of a coincidence that a ZG shows up a the very Sawgrass Apt. where her imaginary friend was supposed to live at in a car extremely close to the given description (I also think it was an error on Caseys part because she seemed to intend to give the correct make and model but accidentally gave a car make and model that was nearly identical to ZG's) with LA plates. By doing this the implication if you had felt Casey to be trustworthy(gag) would be that this ZG was somehow involved. That she had allowed someone else to use her ID and gain Casey's trust so that they could not be identified by Casey, as they would obviously have a different name and this was in order to steal Caylee while leaving the mother high and dry with only the lies told to her by this extremely cunning and sophisticated crime syndicate. By hving this ZG she could not id she was hoping to give herself some credibility because if she was lying how would this ZG show up at the exact place around the time her daughter went missing? In her twisted mind she wanted ZG implicated just enough to raise doubt but not enough for the police to ever be able to prove that she had no part in it.
I know this kind of sounds wacky but I really think this is what Casey was thinking and lets face it the girl is NOT all there lol.:tongue:
Oh also this is enough for AG to sue and win imo because people were linking her to the crime on b;ogs and such early on even after the police said they thought she was innocent and like Kronk the ramifications effected her badly.

[Twinners]

IMO the reason is the one I mentioned earlier. Like Kronk the police can say they don't suspect her all they want but that did not take him out of the hot-seat in any way. The implication from such a huge coincidence imo is that Casey was trying to implicate her while also giving herself an out by describing her beautiful, young, rich, loving and reliable ZG at the same time. Through confusion Casey hoped to bamboozle LE enough to have them chasing their tails and leaving her alone. IMO she wanted them to see that it was too much of a coincidence that a ZG shows up a the very Sawgrass Apt. where her imaginary friend was supposed to live at in a car extremely close to the given description (I also think it was an error on Caseys part because she seemed to intend to give the correct make and model but accidentally gave a car make and model that was nearly identical to ZG's) with LA plates. By doing this the implication if you had felt Casey to be trustworthy(gag) would be that this ZG was somehow involved. That she had allowed someone else to use her ID and gain Casey's trust so that they could not be identified by Casey, as they would obviously have a different name and this was in order to steal Caylee while leaving the mother high and dry with only the lies told to her by this extremely cunning and sophisticated crime syndicate. By hving this ZG she could not id she was hoping to give herself some credibility because if she was lying how would this ZG show up at the exact place around the time her daughter went missing? In her twisted mind she wanted ZG implicated just enough to raise doubt but not enough for the police to ever be able to prove that she had no part in it.
I know this kind of sounds wacky but I really think this is what Casey was thinking and lets face it the girl is NOT all there lol.:tongue:
Oh also this is enough for AG to sue and win imo because people were linking her to the crime on b;ogs and such early on even after the police said they thought she was innocent and like Kronk the ramifications effected her badly.

LMAO! That is so, so true about Casey! IMO, of course. ;)

Thanks for giving me your thoughts about Zenaida. I completely understand what you're saying, but after reading all the stuff I did the last couple of days, I really do believe Morgan's Zenaida showing up at Sawgrass was just complete coincidence. I don't think Casey ever saw her or knew she was there. Futhermore, IIRC, the manager of Sawgrass Apts said she didn't recognize Casey or Caylee. That, to me, means Casey had not been to the managers office, meaning there is no way she could have seen Morgan's ZFG's guest card.

I have a few things to do this morning, but here are some things I think are worth remembering where Zenaida Gonzalez is concerned.

- Morgan's ZFG was not the only Zenaida Gonzalez police interviewed. They also interviewed at least one other one. Her name, IIRC, is Zenaida Gonzalez Rosario. She works, I think, at the USPS. The police spoke with her at work, showing her pictures of Casey and Caylee, just as they did with Morgan's ZFG.

- In Casey's "original" story, the one police were going on when they interviewed Morgan's ZFG, Zanny had no children, a mother named Gloria and a sister named Samantha. Morgan's ZFG said she doesn't have a sister named Samantha and we know she has at least four children (and some grandkids too!).

- We do not know for certain where the "Fernandez" part of Morgan's ZFG comes from yet. Lots of people seem to think it's from her child's fathers name. My only question on that is if she wasn't married to her child's father, would she be able to use his name? FWIW, I have NO idea if she was or not, nor do I know if all of her children are from the same father. That is something she never mentioned in the parts of the interview I heard.

- We know Morgan's ZFG only signed her name as ZG on her police affidavit. Again, in her original story, Casey stated Zenaida's full name was Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. She mentioned the "hypen" part of her name on more than one occasion. LOL.

- Morgan's ZFG has a job waiting for her at the company she was fired from when all of this is over. I have never been fired, but I have never known anyone who was welcome to take their old job back at some point in the future after they've been fired. Have any of you?

- In the interview with Sean, Morgan's ZFG said that all she wants is for her name to be cleared. Well, I can't imagine the name ZG ever not being a well-known name, thanks to Casey. But here is the thing. It isn't just Morgan's ZFG's name. There are other people with the same name. IOW, it isn't just her that has been hurt by it. IMO, anyone with the first name of Zenaida has been. That part of the name, IMO, is what people will always remember.

- Although the name Zenaida name may never be cleared, she, Morgan's ZFG, along with at least one other ZG, has been cleared by police as having no involvement. Shouldn't that be enough?

- If Morgan's ZFG uses a cell phone, how did people get her number to call & harass her?

- If Morgan's ZFG was looking for an apartment in June and living in a hotel at the time she gave her statement to police, when was she evicted from her home?

Those are all things I can think of right now that stick out for me. Doesn't anyone else find any of it strange?

ETA: One last thing. On the guest card, doesn't it look like there is another letter, as in possibly an initial, before Zenaida's first name?

[eatcupcakes]

I know Casey mentioned "Zanny" to several of her friends prior to Caylee going missing, but did anyone say they had ever heard the full name?

Xaney is the nic or street name for Xanax. When she used that name befor Caylee went missing I believe she was referring to the drug. Xaney the Nanny, she was drugging Caylee to sleep. MOO

[eatcupcakes]

Xaney is the nic or street name for Xanax. When she used that name befor Caylee went missing I believe she was referring to the drug. Xaney the Nanny, she was drugging Caylee to sleep. MOO

The names the Liar used ZFG are common in Fl. She had a month to think about this and put the names together. She used Xaney a lot in the past so coming up with Zanieta was not that much of a streetch. The FG part of the name are very common as well. Maybe not together as she put them but it sounds more convincing. When Cindy showed up at the boyfriends apt and made the Liar leave with her she had to say something to Cindy about where Caylee was because Cindy was pressuring her to tell her or she was calling the police. So the Liar started spinning her story and then when Cindy did call the police the Liar had to tell them the same story.

What gets me is she stayed so calm. I would have been so nervous it would have been obvious to everyone. She just stuck to her story and never showed any emotion. She had no heart, MO.

[Gatordog]

Ain't that the truth...ot, sorry, but I did hear from a neighbor in construction that he's seen a big pick-up in projects in the last month after a devastating few months, and now he's as busy as he wants to be...good sign for a recovery soon?

Oh, from your lips to God's ears.

I'm pretty secure, but no one is 100%. I am such an empathetic person that if I just hear of a stranger in trouble, I come to tears. But then I cry at good things too. I usually blame it on my allergies. Years ago, when I was only making about $150 a week, I joined a program at a local hospital to lose weight. I cost me about $400. On the third meeting, one man was sitting there and he broke out into tears. He said his wife left him and he lost his job that day. I could not go back because I would tear up thinking of him.

Gator

[javahog]

Xaney is the nic or street name for Xanax. When she used that name befor Caylee went missing I believe she was referring to the drug. Xaney the Nanny, she was drugging Caylee to sleep. MOO

BUT...she spelled it "Zani". Why?

You know why I have a problem with her calling Zani for Xanax? Because it wouldn't be a private joke-it would be the most obvious thing in the world. Everyone knows Xanax is called Zanny. It would be akin to me calling my nanny "Ms. Duct Tape". I mean, "Hey, Ginger, where are your kids? Oh, they're with Ms. Duct Tape." Even in the group she was running with, someone would be appalled. moo

[eatcupcakes]

BUT...she spelled it "Zani". Why?

You know why I have a problem with her calling Zani for Xanax? Because it wouldn't be a private joke-it would be the most obvious thing in the world. Everyone knows Xanax is called Zanny. It would be akin to me calling my nanny "Ms. Duct Tape". I mean, "Hey, Ginger, where are your kids? Oh, they're with Ms. Duct Tape." Even in the group she was running with, someone would be appalled. moo

I didn't know it until I got interested in this case. Also I really don't know how they spell it, I spelled it the way I thought it should be spelled. She was not using it regarding a drug, she was using it in a frame of reference as Zanny the Nanny, and maybe the way she spelled it also threw them off. I don't know it's just MOO.

[Twinners]

BUT...she spelled it "Zani". Why?

You know why I have a problem with her calling Zani for Xanax? Because it wouldn't be a private joke-it would be the most obvious thing in the world. Everyone knows Xanax is called Zanny. It would be akin to me calling my nanny "Ms. Duct Tape". I mean, "Hey, Ginger, where are your kids? Oh, they're with Ms. Duct Tape." Even in the group she was running with, someone would be appalled. moo

LMAO @ your Mrs. Duct Tape comment!

To be honest, I had no idea whatsoever that Xanax even had a nickname, let alone Zanny or Xani or whatever being it.

JMO, but I think the reason people never suspected that Zanny the Nanny was a pill and not a person is because when Caylee was with Zanny, she wasn't there, leading people to believe she was with an actual person and not just knocked out somewhere.

[RaVeN71806]

I can't get to the last page either...:shrug:

[Twinners]

No worries, ladies. None of us can get to the last page! It's just not there. LOL. :beer:

[javahog]

No worries, ladies. None of us can get to the last page! It's just not there. LOL. :beer:

The confession is on the last page. It's been embargoed until trial.


Just kidding! Its like the 13th floor! No matter what we do, there is never a last page!

[eatcupcakes]

The confession is on the last page. It's been embargoed until trial.


Just kidding! Its like the 13th floor! No matter what we do, there is never a last page!

ROTFLMAO. I thought I was losing it, no last page but there was a number for it, I thought I must be having a senior moment. Happy to know it wasn't just me.

[javahog]

BUT...she spelled it "Zani". Why?

You know why I have a problem with her calling Zani for Xanax? Because it wouldn't be a private joke-it would be the most obvious thing in the world. Everyone knows Xanax is called Zanny. It would be akin to me calling my nanny "Ms. Duct Tape". I mean, "Hey, Ginger, where are your kids? Oh, they're with Ms. Duct Tape." Even in the group she was running with, someone would be appalled. moo

Answering myself here...apparently references use the spelling zani for the street name, go figure!

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:vrQpXpFCmhIJ:www.drugs.indiana.edu/publications/factline/bennies.pdf+%22drugs%22+%22street+names%22+xanax+z ani&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

[Gatordog]

Hi guys! Been trying since saturday nite to get past page 452, but it's a no go. Tried rebooting, etc, but it will not let me go to the last page. I've been able to go to the fun thread, and other threads, but..............

So now I'm trying by posting, to bring me to the newest page. I don't know if you will even see this post if I can't get there! From what I can see, the last page you are on is ending with a 9.

Wish me luck ~ or throw me a life preserver! LOL

We all see extra pages. Don't worry about it. Your post is here.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I didn't know it until I got interested in this case. Also I really don't know how they spell it, I spelled it the way I thought it should be spelled. She was not using it regarding a drug, she was using it in a frame of reference as Zanny the Nanny, and maybe the way she spelled it also threw them off. I don't know it's just MOO.

I had no idea of the zani, Xanax connection either. Maybe us more "seasoned" folks aren't in the know about that.

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

I had no idea of the zani, Xanax connection either. Maybe us more "seasoned" folks aren't in the know about that.

Gator

I like the term more "seasoned" sounds better than the alternative. If you don't buy street drugs how would you know? Do they all have nic names, say for instance Oxycodone, does it have a street name or Vicadine. Before all this happened I did not know Xanax was so popular that it even had a nic name. Years ago I was taking it for a year or so and then stopped. I didn't think it did much for me. THe only thing I take now an only occasionally when my back is really bad is Percacet. Does it have a street name, maybe Perki, thats kinda cute.

[Gatordog]

Oh no, here they come - those nasty people from the church in Kansas are coming to Orlando. See, if Leonard Padilla and his crew could be there at the service, he'd knock them into next month.

I hope they just stay home. They protested a soldier's funeral here last year. It was disgraceful.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-church-020909,0,4163141.story

Gator

[Native Alien]

As long as you don't ask how I know this Xanax is referred on the street by
Zani.

Here is a link where you can look up other street terms for drugs and most have more than one.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/streetterms/default.asp

[javahog]

I like the term more "seasoned" sounds better than the alternative. If you don't buy street drugs how would you know? Do they all have nic names, say for instance Oxycodone, does it have a street name or Vicadine. Before all this happened I did not know Xanax was so popular that it even had a nic name. Years ago I was taking it for a year or so and then stopped. I didn't think it did much for me. THe only thing I take now an only occasionally when my back is really bad is Percacet. Does it have a street name, maybe Perki, thats kinda cute.

Hey, I don't use street drugs!!!! :no:!

I went to Berkeley. Its amazing the things you learn there.

[javahog]

Oh no, here they come - those nasty people from the church in Kansas are coming to Orlando. See, if Leonard Padilla and his crew could be there at the service, he'd knock them into next month.

I hope they just stay home. They protested a soldier's funeral here last year. It was disgraceful.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-church-020909,0,4163141.story

Gator

I absolutely hate those "people"!

[eatcupcakes]

Hey, I don't use street drugs!!!! :no:!

I went to Berkeley. Its amazing the things you learn there.

And I now know too.

[Gatordog]

No request yet to watch the memorial service in jail.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18673423/index.html

gator

[javahog]

No request yet to watch the memorial service in jail.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18673423/index.html

gator

I guess her dance card is full.

Do you think maybe JB is so tone deaf he isn't even thinking about how bad it looks, or is he trying to further contaminate the jury pool?

[Zingo]

Have you ever thought about how this tragic case might have had a different outcome? I'm a big sports fan, and sometimes I replay games in my head thinking how my favorite team might have won, had just a few things gone differently. (I know it's probably a sign I have too much time on my hands).

Anyway here's my "things could have been different" list ... Each of these actions, individually, would have led to a different result for precious little Caylee. Feel free to add.

1. After convincing her mother this is for the best, Casey gives newborn Caylee up for adoption so she can have a loving father and a mother ... (I'm adopted, and that worked out great for me). It's the most selfless and compassionate choice.

OR

2. Casey marries Jesse Grund, who by all accounts would have been a caring father, and provided Casey with a home away from Cindy, allowing Casey to eventually "grow up" and become a responsible mother.

OR

3. Tony Lazzaro tells Casey he'd love to have a daughter like Caylee someday. He's not ready for a serious relationship yet, but if he ever was, he'd love a little girl just like her, and maybe she might just convince him he's ready. Casey agrees that it's best for Caylee not to spend too much time around Tony's apartment because of all the partying.

OR

4. Casey starts attending "Liars Anonymous" meetings after her friends and family hold an intervention at the Anthony home in late May, after catching her in her lies about working at Universal, and having no nanny named Zanny.
She commits herself to telling the truth and being more responsible.

OR

5. After many weeks of somber deliberation, Casey decides to allow Cindy & George to assume custody of Caylee. Casey realizes she was never ready to be a full-time mom and knows Caylee deserves better. George decides to be a stay-at-home grand-dad for Caylee. Casey becomes like a big sister or aunt to Caylee, and they have a close relationship.

OR

6. Casey gets a part-time job; George offers to babysit Caylee while she works; Casey pays her parents a nominal amount for rent and groceries, while saving some money out of her paycheck to eventually move out into an apartment.

OR

7. Casey enrolls at a community college to take business courses, and to eventually transfer to Florida State as an "events management" major. She receives grants/loans for her schooling, takes advantage of the discounted child care for single mother returning students, and takes portraits on weekends to support herself and Caylee.

OR

8. Casey answers Cindy's call on 6/16 at 7:45 a.m. ... Cindy apologizes for the fight the prior night, and for choking Casey. She approaches Casey about getting family counseling to resolve their difficulties and resentments. Cindy admits that she has a lot of anger inside her because she feels everyone takes advantage of her. She realizes that her anger issues have turned her into a controlling person who belittles her husband, and contributes to her daughter's recklessness. In taking responsibility for everyone else, Cindy has been unwittingly providing Casey with a convenient "scapecoat" for all these years. Cindy has never faced her own life, and tries to blame others for her unhappiness. She commits to work on herself and "let go" of her controlling ways. Casey says," No mom, it's my fault. You've done so much for me and Caylee. I'm the one who has been lying and stealing. I'm sorry."

OR

9. In a moment of truth, despite the violent rage seething within her, Casey just decides on 6/16/08: "I'm not going to kill Caylee." And, she checks herself into a psychiatric hospital for help with her rage issues. Through talk therapy, medication, and interacting with friends, family and her pastor, she realizes that she has been a selfish person, full of self-pity, harboring anger toward her family. She commits to being a better mom, a better daughter, and to cherishing each day with her beautiful, sweet Caylee.

[Twinners]

Caylee Anthony Investigation - New Lead Released

Hollywood P.I. Releases New Leads

Los Angeles 2/08/2009 05:26 PM GMT (TransWorldNews)

I can't get the article to copy/paste correctly. Maybe someone else will have more luck!

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=75669&cat=14

[Twinners]

Family Prepares For Caylee's Memorial Service
Casey Anthony Has Not Asked To Watch Service

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Family members of Caylee Anthony will say their final goodbyes to the slain toddler on Tuesday.

Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, is expected to speak at the 10 a.m. service at First Baptist Church of Orlando.

Thousands are expected to attend the memorial service.

In a written eulogy, Cindy Anthony mentioned people across the country whose lives were touched by her granddaughter and who now mourn her.

"For those who actually had the honor to meet Caylee Marie, it will be much more difficult for them to say goodbye, and their hearts may never heal.

"Caylee's life may have been short-lived on this Earth, but her life will not have ended without a purpose. She will be sadly missed but never forgotten. Caylee Marie Anthony now has her angel wings and will be watching over so many other children," Cindy Anthony said in the eulogy.

Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, is in the Orange County Jail, and so far has not asked for permission to watch her daughter's memorial service on television.

Corrections spokesman Allen Moore said there's nothing in its policy to prevent Casey Anthony from watching the memorial Tuesday, but she has to ask for that access. Moore said Casey Anthony also has access to a radio and could listen to a simulcast in her protective custody cell.

Doors for the service will open at 8 a.m. Those planning to attend should expect tight security.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18670857/detail.html

[shadydaisy]

I don't think having Cindy speak at the service is a really good idea. There is the potential for train wreck every time she opens her mouth. I would have thought someone would have advised her against it. I don't think she adds anything to the memorial. http://www.wesh.com/news/18670857/detail.html

What do you think?

[Twinners]

Caylee Anthony service: Will focus be on the victim?

Will the Caylee Anthony memorial Tuesday morning offer a respite from the media circus surrounding the murder case?

Possibly not, if this weekend's reporting is an indication. Hard feelings bubbled up Saturday night in a report on WKMG-Channel 6. Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla said that grandmother Cindy Anthony wants him to stay away, WKMG's Ramin Khalili reported.

Padilla said he hasn't spoken with the family, but that Cindy Anthony told his nephew that he was not supposed to be present at the First Baptist Church of Orlando.

Padilla has never been shy about sharing his views in the case, and he remained true to form in the WMKG report. Padilla predicted the memorial will be "a Cindy show," and he said the defense team is looking for a patsy to blame instead of Casey Anthony, who is charged with daughter Caylee's murder.

"I don't believe that any of this stuff is real," Padilla told WKMG. "What's real is Caylee is dead and somebody has to pay for it."

Khalili noted that the Anthonys might not want Padilla, but attorneys for Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez do. Padilla met with them last week about her defamation suit against Casey Anthony.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/caylee-anthony-service-will-focus-be-on-the-victim.html

Interesting news about Padilla, IMO. I had no idea he was involved in that case too.

[Twinners]

I don't think having Cindy speak at the service is a really good idea. There is the potential for train wreck every time she opens her mouth. I would have thought someone would have advised her against it. I don't think she adds anything to the memorial. http://www.wesh.com/news/18670857/detail.html

What do you think?

It's her granddaughter's memorial service. I think she has the right to speak if she wants too. I know I certainly would if I were her, regardless of what anyone else thought about it.

[Twinners]

Blogger attending Caylee Anthony memorial will give family your condolences

A Web page has been set up for those who would like to give the Anthony family their condolences during the Caylee Anthony public memorial service scheduled for Tuesday, Feb. 10, 2009, at 10 a.m.

“Marinade Dave” is a blogger who lives in the Orlando area and will be attending the service at First Baptist Church of Orlando on Tuesday. On his site, Dave says, “All messages will be hand delivered by me.” Click here to go to Dave's Blog and leave a message.

Dave also indicates, “Please, comments are for condolences only. All others will be deleted. This is a time to remember Caylee.”

Anyone who wants to leave a message of condolence must do so by 7:00 a.m. on Tuesday, Feb. 10, 2009.

Link to story: http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m2d7-Blogger-attending-Caylee-Anthony-memorial-will-give-family-your-condolences

Dave's blog: http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/02/06/caylee-marie-anthony-condolences/

[eatcupcakes]

Have you ever thought about how this tragic case might have had a different outcome? I'm a big sports fan, and sometimes I replay games in my head thinking how my favorite team might have won, had just a few things gone differently. (I know it's probably a sign I have too much time on my hands).

Anyway here's my "things could have been different" list ... Each of these actions, individually, would have led to a different result for precious little Caylee. Feel free to add.

1. After convincing her mother this is for the best, Casey gives newborn Caylee up for adoption so she can have a loving father and a mother ... (I'm adopted, and that worked out great for me). It's the most selfless and compassionate choice.

OR

2. Casey marries Jesse Grund, who by all accounts would have been a caring father, and provided Casey with a home away from Cindy, allowing Casey to eventually "grow up" and become a responsible mother.

OR

3. Tony Lazzaro tells Casey he'd love to have a daughter like Caylee someday. He's not ready for a serious relationship yet, but if he ever was, he'd love a little girl just like her, and maybe she might just convince him he's ready. Casey agrees that it's best for Caylee not to spend too much time around Tony's apartment because of all the partying.

OR

4. Casey starts attending "Liars Anonymous" meetings after her friends and family hold an intervention at the Anthony home in late May, after catching her in her lies about working at Universal, and having no nanny named Zanny.
She commits herself to telling the truth and being more responsible.

OR

5. After many weeks of somber deliberation, Casey decides to allow Cindy & George to assume custody of Caylee. Casey realizes she was never ready to be a full-time mom and knows Caylee deserves better. George decides to be a stay-at-home grand-dad for Caylee. Casey becomes like a big sister or aunt to Caylee, and they have a close relationship.

OR

6. Casey gets a part-time job; George offers to babysit Caylee while she works; Casey pays her parents a nominal amount for rent and groceries, while saving some money out of her paycheck to eventually move out into an apartment.

OR

7. Casey enrolls at a community college to take business courses, and to eventually transfer to Florida State as an "events management" major. She receives grants/loans for her schooling, takes advantage of the discounted child care for single mother returning students, and takes portraits on weekends to support herself and Caylee.

OR

8. Casey answers Cindy's call on 6/16 at 7:45 a.m. ... Cindy apologizes for the fight the prior night, and for choking Casey. She approaches Casey about getting family counseling to resolve their difficulties and resentments. Cindy admits that she has a lot of anger inside her because she feels everyone takes advantage of her. She realizes that her anger issues have turned her into a controlling person who belittles her husband, and contributes to her daughter's recklessness. In taking responsibility for everyone else, Cindy has been unwittingly providing Casey with a convenient "scapecoat" for all these years. Cindy has never faced her own life, and tries to blame others for her unhappiness. She commits to work on herself and "let go" of her controlling ways. Casey says," No mom, it's my fault. You've done so much for me and Caylee. I'm the one who has been lying and stealing. I'm sorry."

OR

9. In a moment of truth, despite the violent rage seething within her, Casey just decides on 6/16/08: "I'm not going to kill Caylee." And, she checks herself into a psychiatric hospital for help with her rage issues. Through talk therapy, medication, and interacting with friends, family and her pastor, she realizes that she has been a selfish person, full of self-pity, harboring anger toward her family. She commits to being a better mom, a better daughter, and to cherishing each day with her beautiful, sweet Caylee.

I like number 1, it would have gotten the baby away from the Ant's, not that they are bad people they just had to many problems.

Also since we are playing this what if. What if there is a movie. Who do you think should play these people.

George - George Clooney

Cindy - Joy Behar (she can be pretty nasty)

The Liar - Ginnifer Goodwin (Big Love)

Lee -

BOZ0 (Baez) -

Jesse Grund - Justin Timberlake

Brad Conway - Bill Paxton

I am having trouble with Lee and Baez, who would you pick Oh and NG can play herself no one can do her better than her.

ZFG - Salma Hayek

[SaraSidle]

okay 454 is off limits now. I have been away too long. Who is Sean and wasn't there a car accident that was really wierd in June or July involving Casey? the memory is going........... sara

[Twinners]

Caylee Anthony memorial: Here are coverage plans
posted by halboedeker on Feb 6, 2009 4:43:24 PM

Local television stations plan to offer extended coverage of the Caylee Anthony memorial that starts at 10 a.m.

Here's what stations were saying Friday afternoon:

WESH-Channel 2: Coverage starts at 10 a.m. on the station and on WESH.com. The plan is to carry the memorial service in its entirety.

WKMG-Channel 6: Coverage starts at 9 a.m. on the station and on ClickOrlando.com. Jacqueline London will anchor. The coverage will include reporting and commentary by Tony Pipitone, Jessica D'Onofrio, Mike DeForest, Louis Bolden and Adam Longo.

WFTV-Channel 9: Coverage starts at 10 a.m. on TV and on WFTV.com. Anchor Martie Salt promised "respectful coverage."

WOFL-Channel 35: Coverage starts at 10 a.m. on TV and on MyFoxOrlando.com.

Central Florida News 13: The cable channel plans to cover the public event in its entirety. There won't be any commentary during the event.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/caylee-anthony-memorial-here-are-coverage-plans.html

[Zingo]

I like number 1, it would have gotten the baby away from the Ant's, not that they are bad people they just had to many problems.

Also since we are playing this what if. What if there is a movie. Who do you think should play these people.

George - George Clooney

Cindy - Joy Behar (she can be pretty nasty)

The Liar - Ginnifer Goodwin (Big Love)

Lee -

BOZ0 (Baez) -

Jesse Grund - Justin Timberlake

Brad Conway - Bill Paxton

I am having trouble with Lee and Baez, who would you pick Oh and NG can play herself no one can do her better than her.

ZFG - Salma Hayek

Casey - Ashley Tesoro (Bold and Beautiful, Saved by the Bell)

Lee - Chris Evans (Fantastic Four -- "fire")

Jose - Jimmy Smits (would need to gain a paunch belly)

[lorettalockhorn]

LMAO! That is so, so true about Casey! IMO, of course. ;)

Thanks for giving me your thoughts about Zenaida. I completely understand what you're saying, but after reading all the stuff I did the last couple of days, I really do believe Morgan's Zenaida showing up at Sawgrass was just complete coincidence. I don't think Casey ever saw her or knew she was there. Futhermore, IIRC, the manager of Sawgrass Apts said she didn't recognize Casey or Caylee. That, to me, means Casey had not been to the managers office, meaning there is no way she could have seen Morgan's ZFG's guest card.

I have a few things to do this morning, but here are some things I think are worth remembering where Zenaida Gonzalez is concerned.

- Morgan's ZFG was not the only Zenaida Gonzalez police interviewed. They also interviewed at least one other one. Her name, IIRC, is Zenaida Gonzalez Rosario. She works, I think, at the USPS. The police spoke with her at work, showing her pictures of Casey and Caylee, just as they did with Morgan's ZFG.

- In Casey's "original" story, the one police were going on when they interviewed Morgan's ZFG, Zanny had no children, a mother named Gloria and a sister named Samantha. Morgan's ZFG said she doesn't have a sister named Samantha and we know she has at least four children (and some grandkids too!).

- We do not know for certain where the "Fernandez" part of Morgan's ZFG comes from yet. Lots of people seem to think it's from her child's fathers name. My only question on that is if she wasn't married to her child's father, would she be able to use his name? FWIW, I have NO idea if she was or not, nor do I know if all of her children are from the same father. That is something she never mentioned in the parts of the interview I heard.

- We know Morgan's ZFG only signed her name as ZG on her police affidavit. Again, in her original story, Casey stated Zenaida's full name was Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. She mentioned the "hypen" part of her name on more than one occasion. LOL.

- Morgan's ZFG has a job waiting for her at the company she was fired from when all of this is over. I have never been fired, but I have never known anyone who was welcome to take their old job back at some point in the future after they've been fired. Have any of you?

- In the interview with Sean, Morgan's ZFG said that all she wants is for her name to be cleared. Well, I can't imagine the name ZG ever not being a well-known name, thanks to Casey. But here is the thing. It isn't just Morgan's ZFG's name. There are other people with the same name. IOW, it isn't just her that has been hurt by it. IMO, anyone with the first name of Zenaida has been. That part of the name, IMO, is what people will always remember.

- Although the name Zenaida name may never be cleared, she, Morgan's ZFG, along with at least one other ZG, has been cleared by police as having no involvement. Shouldn't that be enough?

- If Morgan's ZFG uses a cell phone, how did people get her number to call & harass her?

- If Morgan's ZFG was looking for an apartment in June and living in a hotel at the time she gave her statement to police, when was she evicted from her home?

Those are all things I can think of right now that stick out for me. Doesn't anyone else find any of it strange?

ETA: One last thing. On the guest card, doesn't it look like there is another letter, as in possibly an initial, before Zenaida's first name?

I'm anxious to learn what all Morgan alleges when this case goes to trial. In the meantime I'm not bothered by most of this minutia.

Zenaida or anyone else in the US can use any name they so choose (to my understanding) as long as the purpose is not to defraud. It doesn't matter if it's a husband, father, boyfriend, one night stand, etc.

Sure there are other ZGs and ZFGs and I'm sure that Casey knows that better than anyone. How many of them lost her job or were threatened? How many of them actually have a case against Casey and the Ants? I have read that ZFG lost her home, but I have no idea if it was an actualy house with rent and/or a mortgage, or if she was kicked out of her hotel or motel.

Gator (I think it was) gave us some detail about Florida's hiring and firing practices, and according to her explanation, I don't find it hard to believe that Zenaida's former employer is willing to take her back once the dust has settled.

I think it's very possible that Casey saw and learned about ZFG while she was hanging around Sawgrass. Just because the management doesn't recognize her means little to me. And why in the world would anyone take Casey's statement that she had never seen Morgan's AFG for the truth out of all the lies that she has told? It behooves her to say that she doesn't recognize ZFG because it's obfuscating.

[Native Alien]

okay 454 is off limits now. I have been away too long. Who is Sean and wasn't there a car accident that was really wierd in June or July involving Casey? the memory is going........... sara

The page thing is because some posts were deleted.

I think that they are talking about Sean Kruase.

The car wreck that you might be referring to is the one that Zannie the Nannie supposedly had while Casey and Caylee, Juilet Lewis and her daughter Annabelle and Zanie were all suppose to be in Tampa staying at the Hard Rock Hotel for an "Event" that supposedly Casey and the non existent Juliet Lewis were working. This was during the time that Casey and Caylee were not staying at the Anthony's house.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi guys! Been trying since saturday nite to get past page 452, but it's a no go. Tried rebooting, etc, but it will not let me go to the last page. I've been able to go to the fun thread, and other threads, but..............

So now I'm trying by posting, to bring me to the newest page. I don't know if you will even see this post if I can't get there! From what I can see, the last page you are on is ending with a 9.

Wish me luck ~ or throw me a life preserver! LOL

Hey OS! Looks to me like maybe Deepy has been deleting some posts, although I can't tell what's missing. I noticed the same thing on another thread. Can't the IT people could at least delete those page numbers so we won't feel like we're being locked out of something? :hat:

[javahog]

okay 454 is off limits now. I have been away too long. Who is Sean and wasn't there a car accident that was really wierd in June or July involving Casey? the memory is going........... sara

You might be thinking of this one , Sara http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing’s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/

[javahog]

Hey OS! Looks to me like maybe Deepy has been deleting some posts, although I can't tell what's missing. I noticed the same thing on another thread. Can't the IT people could at least delete those page numbers so we won't feel like we're being locked out of something? :hat:

Were we...naughty?

[Gatordog]

I don't think having Cindy speak at the service is a really good idea. There is the potential for train wreck every time she opens her mouth. I would have thought someone would have advised her against it. I don't think she adds anything to the memorial. http://www.wesh.com/news/18670857/detail.html

What do you think?

Cindy is like one of those Japanese Bullet Trains, anything that stands in it's way gets pulverized. I am sure she has been advised. It's like I told George, "she doesn't stop, you can't get through to her".

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

You might be thinking of this one , Sara http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing’s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/

But isn't the witness in this case Annie Dowling, not Annie Downing?

[lighthousedazy]

I can't get the article to copy/paste correctly. Maybe someone else will have more luck!

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=75669&cat=14Thanks for the link Twinners. The story goes to this link when you click read more: http://toiletbowlmedia.com/cayleetips.html

Quote:
Source confirms he saw Casey Anthony and Roy Kronk together on a casino cruise
line ship in 2007. [verified] [Update] > Tipster is former Sterling Casino Cruise Line
employee who states he can place Casey Anthony, Lee Anthony and Roy Kronk on
one of the ships at the same time in 2007. Actually sitting and talking at the same
gambling table. He further states he heard Casey mention getting a tattoo on her
back and the name Zaneida. Tipster is reporting his information to Law Enforcement.

Two possible sightings of Caylee in airports with similar woman, possibly Crystal
Kronk, "Meter Reader's" ex-wife. [pending investigation]

Sources close to the investigation reveal Kronk being photographed in mysterious
vehicle at the crime scene where the body was found in September. [pending
investigation]

Kronk is said to have been staying with his supervisor or his ex-wife just houses
down from the Anthony's before and after Caylee's disappearance.

I have a hard time believing this. jmo :o

[lorettalockhorn]

Were we...naughty?

Naaaaahhhhhhhhh http://i34.tinypic.com/2ufr801.jpg

Then again it may depend on who you mean by "we". :hat:

[Gatordog]

I guess her dance card is full.

Do you think maybe JB is so tone deaf he isn't even thinking about how bad it looks, or is he trying to further contaminate the jury pool?

It doesn't look any worse than not turning over Caylee for a proper burial yet. I have to wonder if they decided to go ahead with the public service now in order to get people to stop asking for the defense to turn over the remains. Maybe they think people will think it's been done.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think having Cindy speak at the service is a really good idea. There is the potential for train wreck every time she opens her mouth. I would have thought someone would have advised her against it. I don't think she adds anything to the memorial. http://www.wesh.com/news/18670857/detail.html

What do you think?

She's got every right to speak; it's her shindig. I just am not sure why she wants to even go, let alone speak. Honestly, I'd be seriously thinking of watching on TV or from the batcave or something.

If she's got a script (hopefully written by someone else;, I mean look at the eulogy she wrote. Can you say inflammatory?), she'll do fine.

[Gatordog]

Thanks for the link Twinners. The story goes to this link when you click read more: http://toiletbowlmedia.com/cayleetips.html

Quote:
Source confirms he saw Casey Anthony and Roy Kronk together on a casino cruise
line ship in 2007. [verified] [Update] > Tipster is former Sterling Casino Cruise Line
employee who states he can place Casey Anthony, Lee Anthony and Roy Kronk on
one of the ships at the same time in 2007. Actually sitting and talking at the same
gambling table. He further states he heard Casey mention getting a tattoo on her
back and the name Zaneida. Tipster is reporting his information to Law Enforcement.

Two possible sightings of Caylee in airports with similar woman, possibly Crystal
Kronk, "Meter Reader's" ex-wife. [pending investigation]

Sources close to the investigation reveal Kronk being photographed in mysterious
vehicle at the crime scene where the body was found in September. [pending
investigation]

Kronk is said to have been staying with his supervisor or his ex-wife just houses
down from the Anthony's before and after Caylee's disappearance.

I have a hard time believing this. jmo :o

Twinners, why do you post things that are so defamatory and not check first? Kronk's wife was dying of cancer at the time he was supposed to be on that ship and he didn't even live in Florida then. I want to know information, but I want it to be at least somewhat accurate and not just titillating. I don't want to read nasty things about people that somone made up and is passing it on for kicks.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18319337/index.html

Gator

[lighthousedazy]

Twinners, why do you post things that are so defamatory and not check first? Kronk's wife was dying of cancer at the time he was supposed to be on that ship and he didn't even live in Florida then. I want to know information, but I want it to be at least somewhat accurate and not just titillating. I don't want to read nasty things about people that somone made up and is passing it on for kicks.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18319337/index.html

GatorDW, if you want to remove my post, please do so. :o

[Twinners]

Twinners, why do you post things that are so defamatory and not check first? Kronk's wife was dying of cancer at the time he was supposed to be on that ship and he didn't even live in Florida then. I want to know information, but I want it to be at least somewhat accurate and not just titillating. I don't want to read nasty things about people that somone made up and is passing it on for kicks.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18319337/index.html

Gator

I don't know Gator. Maybe for the same reason you posted that response to me without checking to see who actually posted that first?

FYI, I only posted the link. See below.
I can't get the article to copy/paste correctly. Maybe someone else will have more luck!

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=75669&cat=14

FYI, I would have posted the full article had I been able to get it to copy and paste here correctly.

FYI, if you have a problem with me and/or my posts, then please either PM me or the moderator. There is really no need to bring it up here on the board.

All, IMO.

ETA: Also, I don't think anyone who posts articles or news blurbs about the case here should be required to fact check it first. I simply Googled Caylee's name and posted stuff from the results I was given.

[javahog]

Awww, poor Casey feels so left out...she doesn't like the memorial plans:
http://www.wftv.com/index.html
Doesn't it just make you well up?

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know Gator. Maybe for the same reason you posted that response to me without checking to see who actually posted that first?

FYI, I only posted the link. See below.


FYI, I would have posted the full article had I been able to get it to copy and paste here correctly.

FYI, if you have a problem with me and/or my posts, then please either PM me or the moderator. There is really no need to bring it up here on the board.

All, IMO.

ETA: Also, I don't think anyone who posts articles or news blurbs about the case here should be required to fact check it first. I simply Googled Caylee's name and posted stuff from the results I was given.

psst Spread the word. :rolleyes:

[javahog]

LP is holding a memorial where the body was found at 10 am. Is that when you'll be there? I wonder if the sunflowers are sprouting yet...too cold still?

[lorettalockhorn]

Awww, poor Casey feels so left out...she doesn't like the memorial plans:
http://www.wftv.com/index.html
Doesn't it just make you well up?

Casey Anthony's Statement On Caylee's Memorial

Monday, February 9, 2009 – updated: 4:50 pm EST February 9, 2009
The following is the transcript of a news conference held by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, on Monday, February 9. He is the only person who spoke and read a statement from Casey.

This is a statement by my client and she's authorized me to a make a statement to the public with regards to tomorrow's memorial.

I miss Caylee every day and every minute of every day. I can't be there for Caylee's funeral, but some day I want to go and visit her grave and tell her how much I miss her.

I allowed my parents to be in charge for the funeral for Caylee. I told them I wanted her buried in a casket and I wanted there to be a gravestone so I could go and visit her. I asked them if there could only be a private funeral for just the family.

I know they cremated her. I still don't want a public event with cameras and everybody around for Caylee's service, but I can't stop my parents from doing what they want. I truly hope that it will help them.



http://www.wftv.com/news/18675431/detail.html#-

Caylee is cremated? I thought her remains hadn't been released as yet??

Interesting that Casey got what she wanted for the private funeral, but not the public memorial. Can't tell if we're talking compromise here, or if Casey is getting her digs in.

[javahog]

Casey Anthony's Statement On Caylee's Memorial

Monday, February 9, 2009 – updated: 4:50 pm EST February 9, 2009
The following is the transcript of a news conference held by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, on Monday, February 9. He is the only person who spoke and read a statement from Casey.

This is a statement by my client and she's authorized me to a make a statement to the public with regards to tomorrow's memorial.

I miss Caylee every day and every minute of every day. I can't be there for Caylee's funeral, but some day I want to go and visit her grave and tell her how much I miss her.

I allowed my parents to be in charge for the funeral for Caylee. I told them I wanted her buried in a casket and I wanted there to be a gravestone so I could go and visit her. I asked them if there could only be a private funeral for just the family.

I know they cremated her. I still don't want a public event with cameras and everybody around for Caylee's service, but I can't stop my parents from doing what they want. I truly hope that it will help them.



http://www.wftv.com/news/18675431/detail.html#-

Caylee is cremated? I thought her remains hadn't been released as yet??

Interesting that Casey got what she wanted for the private funeral, but not the public memorial. Can't tell if we're talking compromise here, or if Casey is getting her digs in.

doesn't quite add up does it?

check out the raw video, Loretta. JB stutters over the Spanish and then knocks over all the mics...

[javahog]

"This service is something close to this woman's heart"-jb

right. just like that sticker was close to Caylee's mouth, JB should know to never use the word 'heart' after that doc drop, imo.

[javahog]

Casey Anthony's Statement On Caylee's Memorial

Monday, February 9, 2009 – updated: 4:50 pm EST February 9, 2009
The following is the transcript of a news conference held by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, on Monday, February 9. He is the only person who spoke and read a statement from Casey.

This is a statement by my client and she's authorized me to a make a statement to the public with regards to tomorrow's memorial.

I miss Caylee every day and every minute of every day. I can't be there for Caylee's funeral, but some day I want to go and visit her grave and tell her how much I miss her.

I allowed my parents to be in charge for the funeral for Caylee. I told them I wanted her buried in a casket and I wanted there to be a gravestone so I could go and visit her. I asked them if there could only be a private funeral for just the family.

I know they cremated her. I still don't want a public event with cameras and everybody around for Caylee's service, but I can't stop my parents from doing what they want. I truly hope that it will help them.



http://www.wftv.com/news/18675431/detail.html#-

Caylee is cremated? I thought her remains hadn't been released as yet??

Interesting that Casey got what she wanted for the private funeral, but not the public memorial. Can't tell if we're talking compromise here, or if Casey is getting her digs in.

A satirical idea of what Jose might have translated into "human"...

I wish someday to go visit her grave because that means I'll have beaten this rap. I generously allowed my parents to be in charge of the funeral, and look what a waste that was. Can't they get one f*****ing thing right? I wanted a coffin and I wanted a gravestone, and instead they f****ing cremated her. I mean, as long as someone else is footing the bill and doing the heavy lifting, why not step up? And I wanted a private funeral for the family, I mean, I know how to quietly take care of business, don't they? More cameras, here comes Mom's next cameo! Can't we just let this all die down? This isn't doing me any good, I sure hope it helps them.

You watch. They'll probably have chili, too. What a waste.

[lorettalockhorn]

Before I go crazy looking, LINK PLEASE!!!! and hurry! (raw video?)

:beer:

Just fixing to watch:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18675729/index.html

[javahog]

Before I go crazy looking, LINK PLEASE!!!! and hurry! (raw video?)

:beer:

Its in the raw video in Spanish, I think the second Spanish question...

[lorettalockhorn]

A satirical idea of what Jose might have translated into "human"...

I wish someday to go visit her grave because that means I'll have beaten this rap. I generously allowed my parents to be in charge of the funeral, and look what a waste that was. Can't they get one f*****ing thing right? I wanted a coffin and I wanted a gravestone, and instead they f****ing cremated her. I mean, as long as someone else is footing the bill and doing the heavy lifting, why not step up? And I wanted a private funeral for the family, I mean, I know how to quietly take care of business, don't they? More cameras, here comes Mom's next cameo! Can't we just let this all die down? This isn't doing me any good, I sure hope it helps them.

You watch. They'll probably have chili, too. What a waste.

anuncie escritura: Jose, yo mejor no le agarro comiendo chili con mis padres o ese idiota Sr. Conway. Y toma algunas clases de ballet o algo, le hace!

[Gatordog]

I don't know Gator. Maybe for the same reason you posted that response to me without checking to see who actually posted that first?

FYI, I only posted the link. See below.


FYI, I would have posted the full article had I been able to get it to copy and paste here correctly.

FYI, if you have a problem with me and/or my posts, then please either PM me or the moderator. There is really no need to bring it up here on the board.

All, IMO.

ETA: Also, I don't think anyone who posts articles or news blurbs about the case here should be required to fact check it first. I simply Googled Caylee's name and posted stuff from the results I was given.

You posted the link but you couldn't get it to open up and paste so you asked someone else to do it. I was fully aware. But you were the one who wanted that document posted.

If you think it is perfectly acceptable to pass on lies and inflammatory comments about people, then I guess we come from two different worlds. I guess that's why your nic is Twinners.

Gator

[javahog]

You know, of all the things that have occurred to make a statement about, to choose to complain about a memorial service?! And her parents efforts to take care of Caylee's last arrangements?! They should be looking for a good preschool instead of crematoria...

[lorettalockhorn]

I can't hear the questions. Can anyone else?

Heck yeah, she wishes she could be at the funeral. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

You posted the link but you couldn't get it to open up and paste so you asked someone else to do it. I was fully aware. But you were the one who wanted that document posted.

If you think it is perfectly acceptable to pass on lies and inflammatory comments about people, then I guess we come from two different worlds. I guess that's why your nic is Twinners.

Gator

Agree. I detest seeing Pure D Old Garbage posted as fact or alongside information that has been vetted by the mainstream media.

(That doesn't mean that I don't read all kinds of crap, but not everything has to be posted.)

[javahog]

anuncie escritura: Jose, yo mejor no le agarro comiendo chili con mis padres o ese idiota Sr. Conway. Y toma algunas clases de ballet o algo, le hace!

estoy rodando en el piso!

[javahog]

I can't hear the questions. Can anyone else?

Heck yeah, she wishes she could be at the funeral. :rolleyes:

naw, i thought it was just me. maybe todd black should teach jb to repeat questions at news conferences.

[Gatordog]

I can't hear the questions. Can anyone else?

Heck yeah, she wishes she could be at the funeral. :rolleyes:

Try this link - Fox 35 had a lot of info on the statement.

Gator

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/020609Casey_Funeral

[lorettalockhorn]

estoy rodando en el piso!

Estoy reír mi asno lejos!

naw, i thought it was just me. maybe todd black should teach jb to repeat questions at news conferences.

Jose should not show his face, should answer in writing, and answer in all caps. At least then he wouldn't be practically assaulting the media with a bank of microphones.

[javahog]

But isn't the witness in this case Annie Dowling, not Annie Downing?

Indeed! it has been typo'd into many an online witness list, so as fun as this one is, it probably means nada...

[javahog]

Estoy reír mi asno lejos!



Jose should not show his face, should answer in writing, and answer in all caps. At least then he wouldn't be practically assaulting the media with a bank of microphones.

Que dolor on both counts!