Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Native Alien]

I really don't think that if Liar admitted that wasn't the ZFG that she knew that it would all be over. That would just open the door to other questions and that is why noone is wanting to answer any of the questions.

The lawyer for ZFG knows that Casey told everyone else about the Nanny. So at that point it unbecomes hearsay and is first hand knowledge of putting together the facts as presented by Liar.

Civil and Criminal cases often have different time lags between filing and getting in front of the judge. As for putting everything off until after the criminal trial, if I were in ZFG's shoes or her attorney, I wouldn't want to wait one day more than absolutely necessary to get these people on the record to clear ZFG's name.

[shadydaisy]

None of it makes sense (to those of us who live in and face reality). Why is it that we so badly want to know where the heck Casey was going everyday and why she needed a nanny? But G&C don't?!

As for Dazy's comment about Lee; don't you really, really want to know when exactly he is going to talk? Is he going to take the fifth when and if this goes to trial?

Dazy, you work too hard; take a day off!

First off, you all post too much while I'm away! I finally caught up on my 2nd cup of coffee.

I think Lee could be the one to bring Casey down if he has knowledge of various things and just didn't mention it earlier. Or he could still remain silent - we'll have to wait and see how this plays out. I hope he's fed up and just starts vomiting incriminating info.

As for George, I think there is a possibility that being on medication would make him more likely to tell the truth and less able to clutter his mind with *stories* given to him by Cindy and Casey. The defense would then try and say that because of the medication, George's memory is skewed. Time will tell.

George certainly could have been admitted to a facility somewhere is Florida. I don't but the story that it would disrupt other patients. Of course, maybe their medical plan would not cover him at a higher priced facility that would be able to accommodate a high profile person.

I save my time off for the summer when I can get out in the garden. I'm suffering in the snow and dreaming of weeding. Anyone want some Jersey tomatoes? There must be a gardening smiley somewhere.

[eatcupcakes]

So Fwhat? Maybe I'm a very superficial person.

If George is lying about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, whether it's because he was browbeaten or providing an alibi for Casey, etc, it's important. Don't believe me? Look at Casey's indictment which includes charges of lying to investigators.

Why do you care what I concentrate on? Have I not posted enough about manner and method of death to your satisfaction? Because that is what I strive for. :rolleyes: Good Lord.

Miss Loretta, I guess you do like to lock horns but I don't so this is the last time I will answer you for awhile. The reason I care is because I was hoping we would be talking about important issues revelant to this case. Not the outfit KC was wearing until it is plain sickening. And as far as G is concerned I have not heard anyone else saying he is lying about the date he last saw Caylee except right hear on this board. The forencis will give the time of death so why beat a dead horse. And does it really matter if it was 24 hours later the fact is she is dead. I was hoping for more serious investigative discussions. The truth is that currently there is not much to discuss regarding this case so I am leaving this board until such ime that there is. :seeya:

[eatcupcakes]

I totally agree with you. I've had to step away from this case for a few days because I don't see any point in trying to figure out what makes this family tick. They are dysfunctional with a capital D and trying to understand them is an exercise in futility.

I would rather talk about the legal points of the case and not what may or may not be a hidden reason for the suit Casey wore to her hearing.

I think Loretta's response to your post was kind of nasty and undeserved.


:beer: I'll drink to that. But I forgive her. With all due respect to her I think she has got herself hooked on this case, like alot of us but can't stop posting when there is nothing else new to discuss.

[Gatordog]

Do you really believe George deliberately lied about seeing Casey and Caylee? I admit I haven't completely caught up on the postings, so maybe I have misunderstood something. I believe that Casey and Cindy had the argument on the 15th and Cindy probably went for her daughter's throat when confronting her about the theft. Casey may or may not have stormed out that night (does anyone really know?). I believe George did see Casey and Caylee the next day and that was the day Caylee died.

The facts are not all that complicated and not really hard to believe. A whole lot more than that is needed to prove Casey murdered her baby. What happened the night of the 15th probably won't even make it into evidence cause it proves nothing. From what I've read and heard, Casey and Cindy have had a pretty volatile relationship for a long time and these fights were nothing unusual.

If any of this information makes it into trial, it will be through police reports and not through the testimony of either Cindy or George. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe right now -- given what we know at this point.

If Lee has to testify as to what Cindy told him, I think that it is hearsay but sometimes hearsay is admitted if it is to prove state of mind. If Cindy threatened to take Caylee away and throw Casey out into the street, and also physically attacked her, it could go to Casey's state of mind and her hatred of Caylee at the moment. If Casey actually dispised her mother so much, would she rather see her daughter dead than given to Cindy? The fight proves motive and opportunity.

Would George lie? Yes I think he would if Cindy asked him to. Cindy doesn't want it made public that she threatened to take Caylee and that Casey ran out of the house, and Caylee wasn't seen again. It would put the weight of guilt on Cindy's shoulders. I'm not saying that Cindy is responsible for Caylee's death, but we do carry burdens of guilt even when it's someone else's deed. We always think was it something I did. In this case, the answer is yes but she's not guilty of causing Caylee's death, the Liar did it.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Miss Loretta, I guess you do like to lock horns but I don't so this is the last time I will answer you for awhile. The reason I care is because I was hoping we would be talking about important issues revelant to this case. Not the outfit KC was wearing until it is plain sickening. And as far as G is concerned I have not heard anyone else saying he is lying about the date he last saw Caylee except right hear on this board. The forencis will give the time of death so why beat a dead horse. And does it really matter if it was 24 hours later the fact is she is dead. I was hoping for more serious investigative discussions. The truth is that currently there is not much to discuss regarding this case so I am leaving this board until such ime that there is. :seeya:

That's because we are smarter than everyone else! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char145.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) ;)

Cupcakes, I only hope that you are taking a break and not leaving. I am one of those people who likes to discuss everything. I see a meaning in everything. While you may think it's wise to only discuss the actual murder, I like to reason why things happened and what people were thinking and does a choice of a jacket have relevance. Now someone suggested that the jacket may belong to the "stink" pants. If that's so, don't you see some hidden meaning in Cindy's choice of that jacket?

Sometimes we just like to add a little humor to a sad situation and the pants provided that humor.

See you around soon I hope. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

First off, you all post too much while I'm away! I finally caught up on my 2nd cup of coffee.

I think Lee could be the one to bring Casey down if he has knowledge of various things and just didn't mention it earlier. Or he could still remain silent - we'll have to wait and see how this plays out. I hope he's fed up and just starts vomiting incriminating info.

As for George, I think there is a possibility that being on medication would make him more likely to tell the truth and less able to clutter his mind with *stories* given to him by Cindy and Casey. The defense would then try and say that because of the medication, George's memory is skewed. Time will tell.

George certainly could have been admitted to a facility somewhere is Florida. I don't but the story that it would disrupt other patients. Of course, maybe their medical plan would not cover him at a higher priced facility that would be able to accommodate a high profile person.

I save my time off for the summer when I can get out in the garden. I'm suffering in the snow and dreaming of weeding. Anyone want some Jersey tomatoes? There must be a gardening smiley somewhere.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

The one thing we can't get decent down here are tomatoes. My dad grew tomatoes when we lived in NY and they were just delicious. The only good tomatoes in Florida are the Ugli tomatoes.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Could be, but getting it in might be a problem. I truly do not believe that C or G will be called as a prosecution witness -- the DA won't take the chance on being seen as a bully. The only other way to get it in is through police reports. How much did they reveal about that night to the authorities?

Bully Cindy? No way, No How. If anything it will prove that she has a temper and that the fight took place. That lady is one tough woman. Believe me she would bully the prosecution and make them look good. You should have seen her during the bond hearing. She went toe to toe with the prosecutor and glared like her eyes were glowing.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I don't know, if my name came up even remotely anywhere near this case, I think having an attorney until it's all over would not be a bad idea @ all. There are still those who hint @ what role he might really have in all this other than just happening to find Caylee's remains. I'd have my behind covered.

Man, I'm thinking everyone in Orlando, including me, should have an attorney on retainer just in case.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I also think it’s important to realize that if George lied about the 16th, it’s because he (and probably Cindy) already realized AT THAT POINT that their daughter was probably involved in the disappearance of their granddaughter and chose to hinder the investigation. I also wonder about the call “placed from the Anthony house to Casey’s cell phone at 7:45AM the morning of the 16th…cuz, according to George, she and Caylee were home, weren’t they?

Very good SuzDuJour. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char145.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I didn't know about that 7:45 a.m. phone call. Interesting.

It's little points like that which come out through general discussion. I like that observation - she's home yet they call her on her cell phone.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

First off, you all post too much while I'm away! I finally caught up on my 2nd cup of coffee.

I think Lee could be the one to bring Casey down if he has knowledge of various things and just didn't mention it earlier. Or he could still remain silent - we'll have to wait and see how this plays out. I hope he's fed up and just starts vomiting incriminating info.

As for George, I think there is a possibility that being on medication would make him more likely to tell the truth and less able to clutter his mind with *stories* given to him by Cindy and Casey. The defense would then try and say that because of the medication, George's memory is skewed. Time will tell.

George certainly could have been admitted to a facility somewhere is Florida. I don't but the story that it would disrupt other patients. Of course, maybe their medical plan would not cover him at a higher priced facility that would be able to accommodate a high profile person.

I save my time off for the summer when I can get out in the garden. I'm suffering in the snow and dreaming of weeding. Anyone want some Jersey tomatoes? There must be a gardening smiley somewhere.

I think George will do fine IF he isn't influenced by anyone who doesn't put justice for Caylee first.

<3 tomatoes! We grow some fine ones here in Arkansas. Well, someone else does; I don't have a spot. There are some Amish farmers in the area who sell their surplus organic veggies that are beautiful and so tasty.

ETA It took me forever to catch up yesterday! Got four pages behind somehow. :eek:

[Native Alien]

Very good SuzDuJour. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char145.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I didn't know about that 7:45 a.m. phone call. Interesting.

It's little points like that which come out through general discussion. I like that observation - she's home yet they call her on her cell phone.

Gator

That could be explained by Casey saying that for some reason, (make up one, because it would appear that she makes up alot of stuff), the house phone was forwarded to her cell. The reason that I know this is that our phone is forwarded to my cell all the time and it actually does show the call as coming in from the house phone.

[lorettalockhorn]

Miss Loretta, I guess you do like to lock horns but I don't so this is the last time I will answer you for awhile. The reason I care is because I was hoping we would be talking about important issues revelant to this case. Not the outfit KC was wearing until it is plain sickening. And as far as G is concerned I have not heard anyone else saying he is lying about the date he last saw Caylee except right hear on this board. The forencis will give the time of death so why beat a dead horse. And does it really matter if it was 24 hours later the fact is she is dead. I was hoping for more serious investigative discussions. The truth is that currently there is not much to discuss regarding this case so I am leaving this board until such ime that there is. :seeya:

Just what is it that you would allow us to discuss??? Listen, if one of TruTV's most respected correspondents, Jean Casarez can discuss Casey's clothing, then so can I. And it would be damned ironic if those of us who watch TruTv and/or news from TruTV are harassed for discussing those issues.

Buh bye. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Though my keyboard is limping an I have to copy/paste some letters in order to compose sentences, for now; I want to say that every post is important.
Every idea, theory is important. I read them all. I'm nobody, but I find all of you brilliant.

My take on the clothes Caylee wore the last time G saw her is: If they found those clothes in the bag, it speaks to time of death. Did G lie to trip up the investigation? Maybe. He was questioned about the clothes after he knew she was dead. I believe he knew. (car-smell) Time of death is mega pertinent. G knows that.

My take on CA's extreme make over in her last court appearance is very telling. Innocence needs no floor show. I think it is great food for discussion here. IMO

typin this post was a pain in the ass.

I'll keep :read: So keep posting. When I get my new laptp I'll be talking my head off. But I won't be danagher anymore. I'll be Nawny. I'm not irish no how. :tongue:

Of course George's testimony is important as to narrowing the time of death; you can't swing a dead cat without hearing some defense expert reminding us that not only does the prosecution not have a cause of death, there is no time of death, and that should be in Casey's favor. And Casey's appearance is pertinent; if she doesn't take the stand, what she is wearing and her grooming and her demeanor are her only methods of testifying.

Hurry back!

[lorettalockhorn]

That's because we are smarter than everyone else! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char145.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) ;)

Cupcakes, I only hope that you are taking a break and not leaving. I am one of those people who likes to discuss everything. I see a meaning in everything. While you may think it's wise to only discuss the actual murder, I like to reason why things happened and what people were thinking and does a choice of a jacket have relevance. Now someone suggested that the jacket may belong to the "stink" pants. If that's so, don't you see some hidden meaning in Cindy's choice of that jacket?

Sometimes we just like to add a little humor to a sad situation and the pants provided that humor.

See you around soon I hope. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

What makes us smart over here is that we do talk about everything. And BTW, I've seen posts at SM (which is the other board with humor and intelligence and great non-meddling, non-censuring moderating) that also discuss the possibility that George is lying and why it's important.

I read every single post here(except when my View First Unread goes wonky), and think that every single one of them adds something!

[Amy]

I really don't think that if Liar admitted that wasn't the ZFG that she knew that it would all be over. That would just open the door to other questions and that is why noone is wanting to answer any of the questions.

The lawyer for ZFG knows that Casey told everyone else about the Nanny. So at that point it unbecomes hearsay and is first hand knowledge of putting together the facts as presented by Liar.

Civil and Criminal cases often have different time lags between filing and getting in front of the judge. As for putting everything off until after the criminal trial, if I were in ZFG's shoes or her attorney, I wouldn't want to wait one day more than absolutely necessary to get these people on the record to clear ZFG's name.

I guess I took it as, if she answered that one question, the deposition thing would be over. Of course, they would still want to go for damages and all that. But it really read like, if she would admit in a legal proceding that this ZFG is not her ZFG, that all the other depositions and questions would be unnecessary.

[Gatordog]

That could be explained by Casey saying that for some reason, (make up one, because it would appear that she makes up alot of stuff), the house phone was forwarded to her cell. The reason that I know this is that our phone is forwarded to my cell all the time and it actually does show the call as coming in from the house phone.

Why would the house phone which everyone uses be forwarded to The Liar's cell phone. Cindy and George have elderly parents. If an emergency call regarding one of them was made to the house it would go to the Liar? No, that's not a good one. There would also be a record of the original call coming into the house. Cindy was checking up on her before she left for work. Maybe to tell her she was leaving the house and to come get her things while her father was home. JMO

Gator

[Amy]

Bully Cindy? No way, No How. If anything it will prove that she has a temper and that the fight took place. That lady is one tough woman. Believe me she would bully the prosecution and make them look good. You should have seen her during the bond hearing. She went toe to toe with the prosecutor and glared like her eyes were glowing.

Gator

IMO, George and/or Cindy will be called if the prosecution feels their testimony is going to help convict Caesy. It's not like George and Cindy would be the first parents in this country called upon to testify against one of their children. It's not like they are the first people who have to testify against a child for the murder of a grandchild. It's not like George is the first person in the country who attempted suicide and is on medications who would have to testify. Now, will the prosecution try to make the ordeal easier on them? Of course. They will be tactful, they will go gently. But, the bottom line is to convict Casey Marie Anthony for the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony and it just might take the testimony of that baby's grandparents to effect that goal.

I don't think any jury will look @ the prosecution and think--you big bad dogs!!! How dare you put these hurting people thru this horrible ordeal, make them testify against their own child while they are grieving for their dead grandbaby and for the fact that their own child might have done this. No, they will see that the testimony of the grandparents is important for the case against the child. Because, I DON'T think the SA will call on the A's unless their testimony is important, and that they can't get that information any other way.

[Amy]

Man, I'm thinking everyone in Orlando, including me, should have an attorney on retainer just in case.

Gator

Exactly!!! Hey, you talked to Cindy, you'd better get one!!! Someone somewhere probably saw that, you'd better watch your back, it might drag you under!!! There aren't enough attorneys in the City of Orlando for all that are going to need one, people will have to start tapping attorneys in other cities before this is all over!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

IMO, George and/or Cindy will be called if the prosecution feels their testimony is going to help convict Caesy. It's not like George and Cindy would be the first parents in this country called upon to testify against one of their children. It's not like they are the first people who have to testify against a child for the murder of a grandchild. It's not like George is the first person in the country who attempted suicide and is on medications who would have to testify. Now, will the prosecution try to make the ordeal easier on them? Of course. They will be tactful, they will go gently. But, the bottom line is to convict Casey Marie Anthony for the murder of Caylee Marie Anthony and it just might take the testimony of that baby's grandparents to effect that goal.

I don't think any jury will look @ the prosecution and think--you big bad dogs!!! How dare you put these hurting people thru this horrible ordeal, make them testify against their own child while they are grieving for their dead grandbaby and for the fact that their own child might have done this. No, they will see that the testimony of the grandparents is important for the case against the child. Because, I DON'T think the SA will call on the A's unless their testimony is important, and that they can't get that information any other way.

Me neither. This trial will be about holding Casey accountable, and The State is beholden to make that come about, else why bother. If the jury is going to devote its time, so should everyone involved.

[Native Alien]

Why would the house phone which everyone uses be forwarded to The Liar's cell phone. Cindy and George have elderly parents. If an emergency call regarding one of them was made to the house it would go to the Liar? No, that's not a good one. There would also be a record of the original call coming into the house. Cindy was checking up on her before she left for work. Maybe to tell her she was leaving the house and to come get her things while her father was home. JMO

Gator

I haven't really had a chance to sit down and go thru the phone records so I am going to ask a couple of questions on this one. Does it say where Casey was when the phone call was received? Or what cell tower it pinged off of? Because those two things could be more important than the phone call it's self.

I am honestly not trying to give you a hard time gator. I just hadn't had the time to go thru the phone records. You could be totally right that Casey left in a huff on the evening of the 15th, and Cindy was calling to make sure that she got her stuff while George was at home. I was also thinking that it could have been a wake up call for Casey if George was already in bed and didn't want to get up to go wake her up.

[Native Alien]

Ok...........


So, the question is:

How would Casey, confessing that this Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez is not THE Zani, change or impact her criminal trial?

It wouldn't impact it at all, other than she might be asked to do an artist sketch of the one that supposedly took Caylee.


Since she is saying she is innocent :rolleyes: and ANOTHER Zani was the one, how does this come into play in Her trial?

The only way that I can see it impacting her Criminal trial is if the judge would let any decisions and or damages from the civil trail come into the criminal trial. There has also been mention of tainting the jury pool for the criminal trial by letting the civil trial proceed.

Gator, I suggest you lawyer up, woman, cause you're in trouble. I saw you talking to the Anthony's! UH OH!!! :eek:


PS ~Are you thinkiing about going to the memorial?

I was hoping someone would so we would know how it goes.

[One2Snoop]

Zenaida Gonzalez's Lawyer Says Case Could Be Easily Closed

Thursday, February 5, 2009 – updated: 9:12 am EST February 5, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- In the case against Casey Anthony, attorney John Morgan, who's representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a civil defamation suit against Casey, says the case could easily be closed.

John Morgan appeared Wednesday night on the Nancy Grace show and said that Casey should verify a picture of Zenaida Gonzalez that was sent to her by Morgan.

"We've attached this picture; all she needs to do is say that's not her!" said Morgan on the Nancy Grace show.

Casey's defense team announced earlier in the week that she's pleading the fifth and will not answer any of the nearly 30 questions Zenida's defense team submitted to her.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18646474/detail.html#-

[Zingo]

I almost went to law school, too. But I'm too lazy. :rolleyes: And minutia bores me. I took several law classes in undergrad and for my MBA. There is so much tedium and discipline that doesn't suit me. But I LOVE debating.

I keep thinking how many lives have been affected by this case, and how many millions (in taxpayer money) are being spent on prosecuting Casey.

Does anybody think that Casey could have been convinced to confess if she hadn't been arrested so soon after Cindy called 911? What if they had induced Tony L. or Amy to talk with her, and try to convince her to confess? Could Lee have gotten through to her? What about a family pastor?

What a mess and damage could have been avoided. The healing process for her family could have at least started, even though their lives would never be the same.

Do you recall the Hacking case in Utah? The husband murdered his wife, lied to police, said she'd been kidnapped, but they doubted his story when they found him purchasing a new mattress right after reporting his wife missing. He wouldn't fess up for the first 48 hours or so, but then his brother was able to talk with him and finally coax a confession. They found her body after a searching for days in a Salt Lake City landfill. The family was spared the pain of a trial. The husband is now serving a life sentence, but may have the possibility of parole, I think.

I so wish that someone could have done that with Casey -- to avoid all this pain for the family of having their lives exposed to millions of people, and the pain of not knowing the truth.

Is there any chance she confesses now?

[joekuhl79]

Zenaida Gonzalez's Lawyer Says Case Could Be Easily Closed

Thursday, February 5, 2009 – updated: 9:12 am EST February 5, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- In the case against Casey Anthony, attorney John Morgan, who's representing Zenaida Gonzalez in a civil defamation suit against Casey, says the case could easily be closed.

John Morgan appeared Wednesday night on the Nancy Grace show and said that Casey should verify a picture of Zenaida Gonzalez that was sent to her by Morgan.

"We've attached this picture; all she needs to do is say that's not her!" said Morgan on the Nancy Grace show.

Casey's defense team announced earlier in the week that she's pleading the fifth and will not answer any of the nearly 30 questions Zenida's defense team submitted to her.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18646474/detail.html#-

If this is true, isn't this a pretty major admission? The most common reason for pleading the fifth is that by answering, you'd incriminate yourself!

So Liar is saying "I'm not going to answer your questions because I don't want to incriminate myself!"?

BS Bozo Baez better line himself up a new day job!

[joekuhl79]

I almost went to law school, too. But I'm too lazy. :rolleyes: And minutia bores me. I took several law classes in undergrad and for my MBA. There is so much tedium and discipline that doesn't suit me. But I LOVE debating.

I keep thinking how many lives have been affected by this case, and how many millions (in taxpayer money) are being spent on prosecuting Casey.

Does anybody think that Casey could have been convinced to confess if she hadn't been arrested so soon after Cindy called 911? What if they had induced Tony L. or Amy to talk with her, and try to convince her to confess? Could Lee have gotten through to her? What about a family pastor?

What a mess and damage could have been avoided. The healing process for her family could have at least started, even though their lives would never be the same.

Do you recall the Hacking case in Utah? The husband murdered his wife, lied to police, said she'd been kidnapped, but they doubted his story when they found him purchasing a new mattress right after reporting his wife missing. He wouldn't fess up for the first 48 hours or so, but then his brother was able to talk with him and finally coax a confession. They found her body after a searching for days in a Salt Lake City landfill. The family was spared the pain of a trial. The husband is now serving a life sentence, but may have the possibility of parole, I think.

I so wish that someone could have done that with Casey -- to avoid all this pain for the family of having their lives exposed to millions of people, and the pain of not knowing the truth.

Is there any chance she confesses now?

Interesting. But I think they jumped on her because they probably suspected she'd run, or that she'd tamper with evidence or something. They could always have kept her under surveillance, and nabbed her WHEN (not IF) she slipped up!

[Native Alien]

Personally from what I have seen and read, a good first step to getting this all cleared up would be if she would fire Bozo. I don't think that he is giving her solid legal advise.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok...........


So, the question is:

How would Casey, confessing that this Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez is not THE Zani, change or impact her criminal trial?

Since she is saying she is innocent :rolleyes: and ANOTHER Zani was the one, how does this come into play in Her trial?


Gator, I suggest you lawyer up, woman, cause you're in trouble. I saw you talking to the Anthony's! UH OH!!! :eek:


PS ~Are you thinkiing about going to the memorial?

At first blush, it would seem like if would force the defense to produce an even better scapegoat. Another ZFG with a white car with NY plates with a tie to Sawgrass, etc.

I still find it interesting that there is no Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez on the defense witness list.

[lorettalockhorn]

I almost went to law school, too. But I'm too lazy. :rolleyes: And minutia bores me. I took several law classes in undergrad and for my MBA. There is so much tedium and discipline that doesn't suit me. But I LOVE debating.

I keep thinking how many lives have been affected by this case, and how many millions (in taxpayer money) are being spent on prosecuting Casey.

Does anybody think that Casey could have been convinced to confess if she hadn't been arrested so soon after Cindy called 911? What if they had induced Tony L. or Amy to talk with her, and try to convince her to confess? Could Lee have gotten through to her? What about a family pastor?

What a mess and damage could have been avoided. The healing process for her family could have at least started, even though their lives would never be the same.

Do you recall the Hacking case in Utah? The husband murdered his wife, lied to police, said she'd been kidnapped, but they doubted his story when they found him purchasing a new mattress right after reporting his wife missing. He wouldn't fess up for the first 48 hours or so, but then his brother was able to talk with him and finally coax a confession. They found her body after a searching for days in a Salt Lake City landfill. The family was spared the pain of a trial. The husband is now serving a life sentence, but may have the possibility of parole, I think.

I so wish that someone could have done that with Casey -- to avoid all this pain for the family of having their lives exposed to millions of people, and the pain of not knowing the truth.

Is there any chance she confesses now?

Lee had some time with her right away, and she immediately started in with her cock and bull story, and he immediately began taking notes for his investigation. I can't think of anyone; friend or family who had an honest enough relationship with Casey for her to have spilled the truth (to).

Any chance she'll confess? Magic Eightball says, "It is doubtful."

[Amy]

I haven't really had a chance to sit down and go thru the phone records so I am going to ask a couple of questions on this one. Does it say where Casey was when the phone call was received? Or what cell tower it pinged off of? Because those two things could be more important than the phone call it's self.

I am honestly not trying to give you a hard time gator. I just hadn't had the time to go thru the phone records. You could be totally right that Casey left in a huff on the evening of the 15th, and Cindy was calling to make sure that she got her stuff while George was at home. I was also thinking that it could have been a wake up call for Casey if George was already in bed and didn't want to get up to go wake her up.

Or it could be that Cindy knew Casey hadn't come back during the night-either laying awake waiting for her, or checking the room, and she was calling Casey's phone to see if she would answer and tell her where she was.

Either George or Cindy, I think George, in one of his interviews, says that he knew Caylee and Casey were in either Casey's or Caylee's room (don't know which) that night because he "heard them sleeping." Also, George is home all morning, yet does not see or hear Casey or Caylee all morning in their room? A little 2 year old isn't going to make some kind of noise? They aren't going to come out to go to the bathroom or get a drink or some cereal? He only sees them as they are leaving for the day?

[Gatordog]

Exactly!!! Hey, you talked to Cindy, you'd better get one!!! Someone somewhere probably saw that, you'd better watch your back, it might drag you under!!! There aren't enough attorneys in the City of Orlando for all that are going to need one, people will have to start tapping attorneys in other cities before this is all over!!!

Let's see, I shop at that Target; I've eaten at Fusian Restaurant, not the lounge (no dirty dancing for me - that ship has sailed), I've eaten at the Ale House probably at the exact date and time as the Liar; I've driven by Amscott hundreds of times; I've been in that Sports Authority; my boss used to live in the same apartment complex as TonE; I used to live on Goldenrod Road. I've talked to George, been yelled at by Cindy, blushed at Padilla, almost ran into Mark Nejame with my shopping cart. Yup, I need an attorney.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I also think it’s important to realize that if George lied about the 16th, it’s because he (and probably Cindy) already realized AT THAT POINT that their daughter was probably involved in the disappearance of their granddaughter and chose to hinder the investigation. I also wonder about the call “placed from the Anthony house to Casey’s cell phone at 7:45AM the morning of the 16th…cuz, according to George, she and Caylee were home, weren’t they?

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-forum/bump.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I'm bumping this because this is where I found out about the 7:45 am phone call. I have no other knowledge but will check phone records when I have some time.

Gator

[Lodi]

I know everyone will disagree but I believe Casey's best defense would be insanity. The evidence so far seems to show that she is undeniably guilty. I understand the legal explanation of insaniity and that she doesn't fit it but I'm looking at her best shot at staying out of prison. There are some people that look at what she's done and and consider her insane no matter what the legal requirement. Although jury members will be told that she is not insane, they are not forced to agree.

[Gatordog]

Or it could be that Cindy knew Casey hadn't come back during the night-either laying awake waiting for her, or checking the room, and she was calling Casey's phone to see if she would answer and tell her where she was.

Either George or Cindy, I think George, in one of his interviews, says that he knew Caylee and Casey were in either Casey's or Caylee's room (don't know which) that night because he "heard them sleeping." Also, George is home all morning, yet does not see or hear Casey or Caylee all morning in their room? A little 2 year old isn't going to make some kind of noise? They aren't going to come out to go to the bathroom or get a drink or some cereal? He only sees them as they are leaving for the day?

George said during a police interview that "he usually made the little girl breakfast". What, on this morning she wasn't hungry - no breakfast or lunch? See, it's all these little facts that have weighed heavy on George

Gator

[Gatordog]

I know everyone will disagree but I believe Casey's best defense would be insanity. The evidence so far seems to show that she is undeniably guilty. I understand the legal explanation of insaniity and that she doesn't fit it but I'm looking at her best shot at staying out of prison. There are some people that look at what she's done and and consider her insane no matter what the legal requirement. Although jury members will be told that she is not insane, they are not forced to agree.

That's why I think that Cindy is going to have to testify. They are going to use Cindy's physical attack against the Liar and say it made her temporarily insane or in a panicked fugue state. I don't agree with it, but I can see them doing it. Whether or not her attempted phone calls to TonE can support that, is something that the defense will have to worry about. JMO

Gator

[shadydaisy]

Man, I'm thinking everyone in Orlando, including me, should have an attorney on retainer just in case.

Gator

Just don't use one Baez recommends. Get your frogs covered also - they may have seen something.

Personally from what I have seen and read, a good first step to getting this all cleared up would be if she would fire Bozo. I don't think that he is giving her solid legal advise.

ITA - Bozo is either a really lousey lawyer or trying to bumble the case on purpose. He could cause an appeal easily.

[One2Snoop]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-forum/bump.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I'm bumping this because this is where I found out about the 7:45 am phone call. I have no other knowledge but will check phone records when I have some time.

Gator

It's listed on page 3 of this pdf document....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

[Gatordog]

It's listed on page 3 of this pdf document....

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

Thank you, O2S. You always are there to help us out.

Gator

[javahog]

That's because we are smarter than everyone else! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char145.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) ;)

Cupcakes, I only hope that you are taking a break and not leaving. I am one of those people who likes to discuss everything. I see a meaning in everything. While you may think it's wise to only discuss the actual murder, I like to reason why things happened and what people were thinking and does a choice of a jacket have relevance. Now someone suggested that the jacket may belong to the "stink" pants. If that's so, don't you see some hidden meaning in Cindy's choice of that jacket?

Sometimes we just like to add a little humor to a sad situation and the pants provided that humor.

See you around soon I hope. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

I hate to post and run, but...

Its the "Sisterhood of the Murdering Pants"!

I am certain the blazer and the bracelet were a message, and that it might imply the "rents" will eventually turn. It matters.

[browneyes106]

I hate to post and run, but...

Its the "Sisterhood of the Murdering Pants"!

I am certain the blazer and the bracelet were a message, and that it might imply the "rents" will eventually turn. It matters.

Yep the Sisterhood of the Murdering Pants

[browneyes106]

That's why I think that Cindy is going to have to testify. They are going to use Cindy's physical attack against the Liar and say it made her temporarily insane or in a panicked fugue state. I don't agree with it, but I can see them doing it. Whether or not her attempted phone calls to TonE can support that, is something that the defense will have to worry about. JMO

Gator

I can see them trying to use that. I found it weird that Cindy lied on Dateline and that the last night she saw Caylee was a pleasant evening. She basically lied on national TV about what really happened.

[browneyes106]

Good question. If he's just a witness, well, do all witnesses need lawyers? And I know when I worked for the City we would be covered if something happened in the course of our official duties...but is either a) illegal peeing or b) sleuthing under that umbrella? I'm not going back to my handbook, I say no. It was nice if them to cover this far.

I wondering about that too. Maybe they hired a lawyer sort of to cover their own butts because maybe the county figures Baeztard will try different tatics.

[Justice Denied?]

I almost went to law school, too. But I'm too lazy. :rolleyes: And minutia bores me. I took several law classes in undergrad and for my MBA. There is so much tedium and discipline that doesn't suit me. But I LOVE debating.

I keep thinking how many lives have been affected by this case, and how many millions (in taxpayer money) are being spent on prosecuting Casey.

Does anybody think that Casey could have been convinced to confess if she hadn't been arrested so soon after Cindy called 911? What if they had induced Tony L. or Amy to talk with her, and try to convince her to confess? Could Lee have gotten through to her? What about a family pastor?

What a mess and damage could have been avoided. The healing process for her family could have at least started, even though their lives would never be the same.

Do you recall the Hacking case in Utah? The husband murdered his wife, lied to police, said she'd been kidnapped, but they doubted his story when they found him purchasing a new mattress right after reporting his wife missing. He wouldn't fess up for the first 48 hours or so, but then his brother was able to talk with him and finally coax a confession. They found her body after a searching for days in a Salt Lake City landfill. The family was spared the pain of a trial. The husband is now serving a life sentence, but may have the possibility of parole, I think.

I so wish that someone could have done that with Casey -- to avoid all this pain for the family of having their lives exposed to millions of people, and the pain of not knowing the truth.

Is there any chance she confesses now?

There is absolutely no way, no how. Casey has moved on. She is way beyond all that. She is now looking foward to being found innocent, getting out of jail and going on to lead her "beautiful life". She will take the story of what really happened to the grave.

[Zingo]

Just don't use one Baez recommends. Get your frogs covered also - they may have seen something.



ITA - Bozo is either a really lousey lawyer or trying to bumble the case on purpose. He could cause an appeal easily.

So, she should never fire him if he represents an automatic appeal on grounds of ineffective counsel?? Ha!

[Gatordog]

I did not see this myself but my mom said that on the news it is reported that the Liar is going to sell photos of Caylee for hundreds of thousnds of dollars. No phones, no cameras at the public memorial, maybe the Liar is going to sell memorial pics to PEOPLE or The ENQUIRER. Would not surprise me at all. In fact, if anyone was going to sell pics of Caylee's remains, she was the first person I thought of who would do that. JMO

Gator

[deputydi]

Bully Cindy? No way, No How. If anything it will prove that she has a temper and that the fight took place. That lady is one tough woman. Believe me she would bully the prosecution and make them look good. You should have seen her during the bond hearing. She went toe to toe with the prosecutor and glared like her eyes were glowing.

Gator
A lot of games are played in the courtroom and this would probably end up being one of them. She will be well coached by her attorney -- if she's called to the stand -- and she will most likely come across to the jury as a grieving grandmother. She will definitely have the jury's sympathy. Remember, these jurors won't be people as glued to this case as we are. If the DA comes down hard on her, the jury will hate him. That's what I meant by bullying. You bet she's one tough cookie but that side of Cindy will never be seen by the jury.

[Gatordog]

Thank You One2!

So it seems the girl was on the phone till almost 4:00AM...then the call at 7:45.
Probably was driving around then slept in the car till she got the phone call. Caylee was probably knocked out with something earlier. All she ever did was talk on the damn phone.

In my whole life I have never seen so much phone BSing......and I've got teenagers!

I'll have to go back over the logs......the 15th & 17th were important dates and the log explains the whole day for both.

She makes me sick.


Makes me wonder if poor little Caylee was horribly frightened and crying heavily. The Liar may have noticed the roll of duct tape and thought she would shut her up so she taped her mouth and continued to talk on the phone. Maybe Caylee kept asking for Nan.

These Anthonys need to start telling the truth for Caylee. All the flowers and music in the world mean nothing if they don't tell the truth to give her justice.

Gator

[deputydi]

If this is true, isn't this a pretty major admission? The most common reason for pleading the fifth is that by answering, you'd incriminate yourself!

So Liar is saying "I'm not going to answer your questions because I don't want to incriminate myself!"?

BS Bozo Baez better line himself up a new day job!
You're right. It's not only "the most common reason", it's the ONLY reason for pleading the fifth. IMO, by invoking your Constitutional right against self-incrimination you are actually doing just the opposite. I know juries are told you can't hold that against a defendant, but hey -- they're human too.

[One2Snoop]

This is beyond sad that the Anthony's have to go through these measures just to have a public memorial for Caylee. No doubt this all stems from Murt and his gang who planned to videotape the service and show it online. :rolleyes: :no:

Date Set For Caylee Anthony Public Memorial

Thursday, February 5, 2009 – updated: 4:48 pm EST February 5, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The attorney for Caylee Anthony's grandparents told Eyewitness News on Thursday that the public memorial service for Caylee would be held on the morning of Tuesday, February 10.

The memorial service will be held at the First Baptist Church of Orlando (see map), attorney Brad Conway told Eyewitness News, and start at 10:00am. No cameras are allowed in the church, but WFTV.com expects to be able to provide a live video feed online of the service.

Dr. David Uth, Senior Pastor of First Baptist Orlando, released the following statement Thursday: "I believe God placed First Baptist Church of Orlando here in Central Florida to make a difference in this community, and to love this community. We believe our purpose is to be a lighthouse, especially in difficult and dark times. One of those times is now as we have all been saddened by the death of Caylee Anthony. As a church, we want to provide hope, healing and the opportunity to experience God's love. We believe that hosting the service will give us the opportunity to minister to a family in need and to a community that is hurting because of the loss of this precious child."

Seating for the public service will start at 9:00am. The church told Eyewitness News no bags, backpacks, purses, cell phones, still photo or video cameras will be permitted. There will be a strong security presence and attendees will have to pass through a metal detector.

The service will be held in the church's 5,000-seat Worship Center.

Caylee Anthony's remains were found in December in a wooded area less than a mile from her grandparent's home. Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, remains in jail on first-degree murder charges in connection with Caylee's death.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18650457/detail.html#-

[Native Alien]

I know this is asking alot but does anyone have the actual street address of the Anthony house?

I would really appreciate it.

[One2Snoop]

I know this is asking alot but does anyone have the actual street address of the Anthony house?

I would really appreciate it.

4937 Hopespring Dr
Orlando 32829

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2F07.28.08_burg lary.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

[Native Alien]

Thanks Onesnoop. I am looking at lats and longs on the cellphone records.

Next question is does anyone know if it is giving the latitude and longitude of the nearest tower or the actual location of the phone?

Also did anyone else notice how the latitude and longitude are missing on the phone call that we were talking about?

[Brainstorm]

Makes me wonder if poor little Caylee was horribly frightened and crying heavily. The Liar may have noticed the roll of duct tape and thought she would shut her up so she taped her mouth and continued to talk on the phone. Maybe Caylee kept asking for Nan.

These Anthonys need to start telling the truth for Caylee. All the flowers and music in the world mean nothing if they don't tell the truth to give her justice.

GatorI TOTALLY AGREE with your last remark.IF they dont do this,(TELL THE TRUTH)in the name of LOVE for their dear Caylee,in front of God AND Man,they will never be able to live with this,IMOO.

[SuzDuJour]

I wonder if Casey left the house the night of the 15th in anger, but didn't take Caylee and went back the next morning to get her? Why would this little girl be up at midnight when the fight was happening? She should've been in bed for hours. I wonder if this is when Casey was filmed ALONE in a hotel parking lot...maybe Caylee was still at home and Cindy was calling her to come home and take care of her child...and so she did...in her own evil way.

[javahog]

Thank You One2!

So it seems the girl was on the phone till almost 4:00AM...then the call at 7:45.
Probably was driving around then slept in the car till she got the phone call. Caylee was probably knocked out with something earlier. All she ever did was talk on the damn phone.

In my whole life I have never seen so much phone BSing......and I've got teenagers!

I'll have to go back over the logs......the 15th & 17th were important dates and the log explains the whole day for both.

She makes me sick.

That much time on the cell, she gave herself brain cancer.

[SaraSidle]

Makes me wonder if poor little Caylee was horribly frightened and crying heavily. The Liar may have noticed the roll of duct tape and thought she would shut her up so she taped her mouth and continued to talk on the phone. Maybe Caylee kept asking for Nan.

These Anthonys need to start telling the truth for Caylee. All the flowers and music in the world mean nothing if they don't tell the truth to give her justice.

Gator



yeah Gator makes me sick to my stomach which is why it is so hard for me to read hear anymore sara

[lighthousedazy]

yeah Gator makes me sick to my stomach which is why it is so hard for me to read hear anymore saraI agree, Sara. It makes me sick to my stomach too. Usually it is the mother's boyfriend, etc. that harms a child in a fit of rage. I think we are drawn to this case because it is so hard to understand a mother killing her child. I get depressed about it and back away for a while also, but I am not an analytical crime sleuth, and I think everyone on the board has some good input, ECC. I am going to add my opinion and say that I think caysee is the devil's spawn and I hope she gets her justice. :cuss:

[Native Alien]

I wonder if Casey left the house the night of the 15th in anger, but didn't take Caylee and went back the next morning to get her? Why would this little girl be up at midnight when the fight was happening? She should've been in bed for hours. I wonder if this is when Casey was filmed ALONE in a hotel parking lot...maybe Caylee was still at home and Cindy was calling her to come home and take care of her child...and so she did...in her own evil way.

Great post SuzDuJour. If someone can find the Latitude and Longitude on that call I have the numbers for the house so they should match if Casey were in the house when that call was made to her cell phone.

[Amy]

I know everyone will disagree but I believe Casey's best defense would be insanity. The evidence so far seems to show that she is undeniably guilty. I understand the legal explanation of insaniity and that she doesn't fit it but I'm looking at her best shot at staying out of prison. There are some people that look at what she's done and and consider her insane no matter what the legal requirement. Although jury members will be told that she is not insane, they are not forced to agree.

It seems to me it's a little late to claim insanity. (I don't know, can they claim that @ the last minute before trial?) Also, she has had @ least one psych exam which was required before she went out on bond the first time. That is sealed, but one would assume if there was insanity involved, she probably would not have been release?

Plus, you have to admit the crime, which I don't think she ever will do. Its' guilty but insane, not, not guilty because of insanity.

[Amy]

I did not see this myself but my mom said that on the news it is reported that the Liar is going to sell photos of Caylee for hundreds of thousnds of dollars. No phones, no cameras at the public memorial, maybe the Liar is going to sell memorial pics to PEOPLE or The ENQUIRER. Would not surprise me at all. In fact, if anyone was going to sell pics of Caylee's remains, she was the first person I thought of who would do that. JMO

Gator

Tuned in to NG when I got off work. They had obviously already been discussing this matter. Don't know who the lawyer (I guess she was) in the center spot of th's, but she is telling NG, I know you don't want to hear this, but she has a defense team to pay, and she has every right to get the money however she thinks she can. :flamemad: Hey, what happened to--the murderer can't profit from the murder? Sure, she isn't convicted---yet. But, even in cases of insurance payout--the payout does NOT come to the accused until or if s/he is acquitted. If the result of the trial is guilt--there is no payout to the convicted one @ all.

[Amy]

A lot of games are played in the courtroom and this would probably end up being one of them. She will be well coached by her attorney -- if she's called to the stand -- and she will most likely come across to the jury as a grieving grandmother. She will definitely have the jury's sympathy. Remember, these jurors won't be people as glued to this case as we are. If the DA comes down hard on her, the jury will hate him. That's what I meant by bullying. You bet she's one tough cookie but that side of Cindy will never be seen by the jury.

I'm not so sure. The attorney might coach her in how to act, but I'm betting the DA WOULD be "gentle" with her. He might have to repeat the same question several times--nicely. I'm betting that she would @ some point get po'd and her true character show thru--in spades.

[Amy]

I wonder if Casey left the house the night of the 15th in anger, but didn't take Caylee and went back the next morning to get her? Why would this little girl be up at midnight when the fight was happening? She should've been in bed for hours. I wonder if this is when Casey was filmed ALONE in a hotel parking lot...maybe Caylee was still at home and Cindy was calling her to come home and take care of her child...and so she did...in her own evil way.

I'm not sure what time the fight allegedly occured. I dont' recall reading or hearing about WHEN it happened. Could have been shortly after Cindy and Caylee returned from Grandma Pleasa's, and we don't know what time that was, either. Or, it could have been later, like maybe Casey wasn't home when Cindy got home. It had to be @ a time that the neighbor was up, for him to have heard it. Unless his bedroom window was right next to the area where Cindy and Casey were, and maybe the windows open.

[SuzDuJour]

I don't know why I thought the fight with Cindy and Casey was around mid-night - I'll try to see if I can find a link or anything!

[lighthousedazy]

Sure, leave me all alone on BOTH threads. Sitting her twiddlin my thumbs, no bantering and no laughs.........:(

Going to watch TV..if I don't fall asleep, I'll be back. Hope ya all feel guilty.I was here OS, but I do appreciate your post. Fixing to call it a night myself. :)

[javahog]

[I]At one time I was very much into NY's Son of Sam law because it was very close to heart. An acquaintance was killed by him, and another friend, Judy, survived, but is disfigured and traumatized. At 18, it changed my life also.


I was disheartened and saddened ~ even embarrassed, to learn the US Supreme Court declared the Son of Sam Law unconstitutional, as it infringed on their 1st Amendment rights~ using as example Henry Thoreau, Malcolm X and even Martin Luther King, all of whom had acknowledged criminal acts in their books.

Mark Klaas got involved also, after finding out that letters written by Polly's killer Richard Allen Davis were being sold. California tried to expand the law in 2000 to cover the sale of what is now known as Murder Memorabilia, by a felon's rep or third parties...ie, hair fingernails,whatever and drafted not to prohibit, but so that victims can collect from the sale of these items.

Florida is different. As you might have seen tonight on NG, Casey has already made over $200,000 on sales of pictures of Caylee. Baez is at this moment marketing videos of Casey and Caylee to various media to sell.

Casey Anthony CAN and WILL profit from anything she sells now, and even if she is convicted she will profit! These videos were obtained from Cindy Anthony, and the TVdefense atty's are stating she has a right to make the money to pay for her defense, saying how else will she get the money?

Screw Zenaida Gonzalez for now is what Jose has on his mind.he has more important things on his mind..like how Casey can profit from the murder of Caylee and how well he'll make out on the deal.

Only in America, folks....only in America.
http://www.law.ufl.edu/uflaw/08spring/upcoming/
:flamemad::cuss: some info..http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/rolling.html

Great, just great. Caylee as a victim of murderobilia...

[javahog]

Makes me really wish the bio-dad would step forward and sue her for wrongful death. Anybody but her...maybe that's why Jose wants genetic info, he wants to see what his percentage will be...

[One2Snoop]

[I]At one time I was very much into NY's Son of Sam law because it was very close to heart. An acquaintance was killed by him, and another friend, Judy, survived, but is disfigured and traumatized. At 18, it changed my life also.


I was disheartened and saddened ~ even embarrassed, to learn the US Supreme Court declared the Son of Sam Law unconstitutional, as it infringed on their 1st Amendment rights~ using as example Henry Thoreau, Malcolm X and even Martin Luther King, all of whom had acknowledged criminal acts in their books.

Mark Klaas got involved also, after finding out that letters written by Polly's killer Richard Allen Davis were being sold. California tried to expand the law in 2000 to cover the sale of what is now known as Murder Memorabilia, by a felon's rep or third parties...ie, hair fingernails,whatever and drafted not to prohibit, but so that victims can collect from the sale of these items.

Florida is different. As you might have seen tonight on NG, Casey has already made over $200,000 on sales of pictures of Caylee. Baez is at this moment marketing videos of Casey and Caylee to various media to sell.

Casey Anthony CAN and WILL profit from anything she sells now, and even if she is convicted she will profit! These videos were obtained from Cindy Anthony, and the TVdefense atty's are stating she has a right to make the money to pay for her defense, saying how else will she get the money?

Screw Zenaida Gonzalez for now is what Jose has on his mind.he has more important things on his mind..like how Casey can profit from the murder of Caylee and how well he'll make out on the deal.

Only in America, folks....only in America.
http://www.law.ufl.edu/uflaw/08spring/upcoming/
:flamemad::cuss: some info..http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/rolling.html

So Baez has lied yet again! :flamemad: I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

On Wednesday, Baez held a news conference denying any backroom deals.

“I have absolutely no book deals, no entertainment deals…with anyone,” Baez said.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

Oh, but wait, I guess that statement doesn't include home videos and pictures. :cuss:

[One2Snoop]

:mad: Source: Casey's Attorney Marketing Photos To Media

Thursday, February 5, 2009 – updated: 6:25 pm EST February 5, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned Casey Anthony is willing to part with more photos of her dead daughter to help pay for her defense. A source told WFTV reporter Kathi Belich that Casey's attorneys have been trying to market the photos to the media again.

Jose Baez is hiring some very expensive experts to defend Casey on this first-degree murder charge. They are hiring nationally-known experts who don't come cheap. But WFTV's legal analyst, Bill Sheaffer, said Casey's efforts to possibly help pay for them by marketing photos to the media could backfire in the court of public opinion.

There are reports that Casey Anthony sold endearing videos and photos of her daughter Caylee six months ago for almost $200,000.

"It's a drop in the bucket, $200,000 in this case is a drop in the bucket when you take into consideration what Mr. Baez needs in order to devote his time and resources to this case," Sheaffer said (watch full interview).

Sheaffer said that money could be gone or close to gone. He said attorney Jose Baez's fee alone will be six figures in a case like this and the total cost of Casey's defense could hit $1 million, especially because of the high-powered experts Baez has hired: Forensic expert Dr. Henry Lee, who helped get OJ Simpson acquitted, New York defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden, who represented rock and roll legend Phil Spector at his first murder trial that ended in a hung jury, and New York forensic expert Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky.

"I would say these experts run into the tens of thousands of dollars," Sheaffer said.

The flat fees or hourly fees, Sheaffer said, could run from $500 to $750, plus expenses. But, Sheaffer said, selling her murdered daughter's photos could turn the public against Casey even more. Still, Casey is facing first-degree murder.

"One is going to do what one has to do," Sheaffer said.

Hiring heavy hitters from out of town may also backfire on Baez. Sheaffer said they bring some baggage, because of OJ for example, and Florida jurors might view them as outsiders.


MORE STRANGERS GIVE CASEY MONEY:cuss:

Casey continues to be well-funded in jail. She had about $300 in her jail account Thursday and spent $12 this week on snacks and a drink. She also received another $75 from complete strangers living in Fort Lauderdale, California and Michigan.


PRESS CORPS ADMITS "TODD BLACK" IS "GIL CABOT":flamemad:

The public relations spokesman for Casey's defense team finally admitted he's convicted felon Gil Cabot.

A Press Corps Media release Thursday confirmed Cabot was one of several media contacts working under the name of Todd Black.

Cabot was convicted for trying to extort Entertainment Tonight anchor Jann Carl by falsely claiming he had compromising photographs of her. Carl had previously turned down his offer to be her agent.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18651683/detail.html#-

[Native Alien]

Let me first say thanks to One2Snoop for the original link.

The original Link is

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

On page 45 is where Jesse Grund tells the police about Lee telling him about the fight between Casey and Cindy.

On page 54 and 55 the detective talks about talking to the neighbor that heard a couple of loud arguments between Casey and Cindy.

[SaraSidle]

I have always thought Jose Baez meant sleaze. no suprise here........sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Onesnoop. I am looking at lats and longs on the cellphone records.

Next question is does anyone know if it is giving the latitude and longitude of the nearest tower or the actual location of the phone?

Also did anyone else notice how the latitude and longitude are missing on the phone call that we were talking about?

NA, found this over at SM; not sure who to credit, but it's much easier (for me anyway) to read than the docstoc, and references the tower in the last column. The dates under CMA Cell Phone Pings Log are clickable links:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=7

[lorettalockhorn]

That much time on the cell, she gave herself brain cancer.

LOL Do we really, really have to worry about Casey getting heart disease OR brain cancer? Don't you have to have those organs?

[lorettalockhorn]

[I]At one time I was very much into NY's Son of Sam law because it was very close to heart. An acquaintance was killed by him, and another friend, Judy, survived, but is disfigured and traumatized. At 18, it changed my life also.


I was disheartened and saddened ~ even embarrassed, to learn the US Supreme Court declared the Son of Sam Law unconstitutional, as it infringed on their 1st Amendment rights~ using as example Henry Thoreau, Malcolm X and even Martin Luther King, all of whom had acknowledged criminal acts in their books.

Mark Klaas got involved also, after finding out that letters written by Polly's killer Richard Allen Davis were being sold. California tried to expand the law in 2000 to cover the sale of what is now known as Murder Memorabilia, by a felon's rep or third parties...ie, hair fingernails,whatever and drafted not to prohibit, but so that victims can collect from the sale of these items.

Florida is different. As you might have seen tonight on NG, Casey has already made over $200,000 on sales of pictures of Caylee. Baez is at this moment marketing videos of Casey and Caylee to various media to sell.

Casey Anthony CAN and WILL profit from anything she sells now, and even if she is convicted she will profit! These videos were obtained from Cindy Anthony, and the TVdefense atty's are stating she has a right to make the money to pay for her defense, saying how else will she get the money?

Screw Zenaida Gonzalez for now is what Jose has on his mind.he has more important things on his mind..like how Casey can profit from the murder of Caylee and how well he'll make out on the deal.

Only in America, folks....only in America.
http://www.law.ufl.edu/uflaw/08spring/upcoming/
:flamemad::cuss: some info..http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/rolling.html

Sorry for your loss, OS.

That Casey can continue to benefit financially from Caylee's murder by her own hand is pretty damned hard to take. Keep reminding myself that we have the same constitutional rights that she does, and how lucky we are to live in a country where we do.

[lorettalockhorn]

Makes me really wish the bio-dad would step forward and sue her for wrongful death. Anybody but her...maybe that's why Jose wants genetic info, he wants to see what his percentage will be...

Me too; he could rescue Caylee from all those who seem to want to deny her justice.

So Baez has lied yet again! :flamemad: I guess I shouldn't be surprised.



Oh, but wait, I guess that statement doesn't include home videos and pictures. :cuss:

Despicable. But the jury will take note when The State points out how Casey has profited from Caylee's death.

[Native Alien]

NA, found this over at SM; not sure who to credit, but it's much easier (for me anyway) to read than the docstoc, and references the tower in the last column. The dates under CMA Cell Phone Pings Log are clickable links:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=7

That really did help thank you.

Okay so about this phone call. It is on the logs as being at 7:45 a.m. on the 16th of June, it lasted approximately 1 minute and it pinged off the tower on Goldenrod Road which is under 2 miles away as the crow flies.

So I am pretty sure that Casey's phone was in the Anthony's house at the time that the call was made.

[Amy]

[I]At one time I was very much into NY's Son of Sam law because it was very close to heart. An acquaintance was killed by him, and another friend, Judy, survived, but is disfigured and traumatized. At 18, it changed my life also.


I was disheartened and saddened ~ even embarrassed, to learn the US Supreme Court declared the Son of Sam Law unconstitutional, as it infringed on their 1st Amendment rights~ using as example Henry Thoreau, Malcolm X and even Martin Luther King, all of whom had acknowledged criminal acts in their books.

Mark Klaas got involved also, after finding out that letters written by Polly's killer Richard Allen Davis were being sold. California tried to expand the law in 2000 to cover the sale of what is now known as Murder Memorabilia, by a felon's rep or third parties...ie, hair fingernails,whatever and drafted not to prohibit, but so that victims can collect from the sale of these items.

Florida is different. As you might have seen tonight on NG, Casey has already made over $200,000 on sales of pictures of Caylee. Baez is at this moment marketing videos of Casey and Caylee to various media to sell.

Casey Anthony CAN and WILL profit from anything she sells now, and even if she is convicted she will profit! These videos were obtained from Cindy Anthony, and the TVdefense atty's are stating she has a right to make the money to pay for her defense, saying how else will she get the money?

Screw Zenaida Gonzalez for now is what Jose has on his mind.he has more important things on his mind..like how Casey can profit from the murder of Caylee and how well he'll make out on the deal.

Only in America, folks....only in America.
http://www.law.ufl.edu/uflaw/08spring/upcoming/
:flamemad::cuss: some info..http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/rolling.html

I think that is one of the purposes of civil lawsuits--as in OJ and Scott Peterson, don't know particularly of any other high profile murder cases w/civil suits (Zenaida Gonzalez not withstanding.) Make the stakes so high that, whatever the murderer would make off the selling pics, making book and movie deals--all the money would go to the civil suit winner.

You don't hear about civil suits with normal, everyday murders (and isn't that a sad way to put it?) I guess because, without the case being all over national news everyday for months on end, there really isn't anything for them to sell.

Anyway, guess with Cindy and Jose being the ones to be doing the selling, even if Casey loses the civil suit, SHE wouldn't have any money to pay ZFG.

[sharlock]

So Baez has lied yet again! :flamemad: I guess I shouldn't be surprised.



Oh, but wait, I guess that statement doesn't include home videos and pictures. :cuss:
Not to mention the fact he says "I" I have thought ever since his wifes mob no. appeared on gilltods's docs that these dealings are more than likely in "HER" name.;)

[sharlock]

That really did help thank you.

Okay so about this phone call. It is on the logs as being at 7:45 a.m. on the 16th of June, it lasted approximately 1 minute and it pinged off the tower on Goldenrod Road which is under 2 miles away as the crow flies.

So I am pretty sure that Casey's phone was in the Anthony's house at the time that the call was made.
Or at Lee's, as both houses would use the same cell towers. Also there is the chance she was looking for her phone. I have rung my mob many times to try and find it.

[Kendu]

How many times a night does the over dramatic JVM find things 'AMAZING or ASTOUNDING'
Some big-shot at HLN need's to pull the plug on this Reality Show. JVM and NG are really overdoing things. NG has been on this non stop for seven months. When there's nothing new they just rerun the same video's over and over. The video of Cindy sitting next to George and doing that thing with her finger on her mouth gives me the hee-bee jee-bees
My 12 year old grandaughter can say word for word NG opening statment that she repete's every night.
Why is LP on every night? does he have a contract with HLN? What does he contribute to this case other then gossip and BS?
If that 6 year old missing little boy Adji had blond hair and/or blue eyes you could bet he would get more then the 4 minutes he got last night or the 45 seconds tuesday.
This case show's American media at it's worst.
Before one of you say "just change the channel" you cant tell a crack head to put the pipe down

[Gatordog]

That really did help thank you.

Okay so about this phone call. It is on the logs as being at 7:45 a.m. on the 16th of June, it lasted approximately 1 minute and it pinged off the tower on Goldenrod Road which is under 2 miles away as the crow flies.

So I am pretty sure that Casey's phone was in the Anthony's house at the time that the call was made.

The phone calls from Tony's house also use the Goldenrod Tower. The Anthony house is on Chickasaw Trail so that's about one mile over from Goldenrod. She could be anyplace within probably four miles of her house. Which means Lee Vista - very near airport and lots of hotels and motels are located there. Lee Vista is about 1/2 mile south of her house. The corner of Lee Vista and Chickasaw has a new shopping center with a large parking lot. It's possible she went there.

Since I'm two miles from Goldenrod, my house may even use that tower.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Or at Lee's, as both houses would use the same cell towers. Also there is the chance she was looking for her phone. I have rung my mob many times to try and find it.

Seems to me that this phone is always in her hand. It's probably attached to her body.

[Gatordog]

How many times a night does the over dramatic JVM find things 'AMAZING or ASTOUNDING'
Some big-shot at HLN need's to pull the plug on this Reality Show. JVM and NG are really overdoing things. NG has been on this non stop for seven months. When there's nothing new they just rerun the same video's over and over. The video of Cindy sitting next to George and doing that thing with her finger on her mouth gives me the hee-bee jee-bees
My 12 year old grandaughter can say word for word NG opening statment that she repete's every night.
Why is LP on every night? does he have a contract with HLN? What does he contribute to this case other then gossip and BS?
If that 6 year old missing little boy Adji had blond hair and/or blue eyes you could bet he would get more then the 4 minutes he got last night or the 45 seconds tuesday.
This case show's American media at it's worst.
Before one of you say "just change the channel" you cant tell a crack head to put the pipe down

I agree that both shows are becoming more tabloid than news. But as far as Adji, I live in Orlando and the first I heard of him being missing is on the Nancy Grace show, not even local news. I find something very odd about that case too. If this little boy has the mental capacity of a two year old, why are they leaving him alone to play outside? Even if he had little friends with him, if he were my grandson, I'd be with him at all times. Something is not right there. JMO

Gator

[Gatordog]

I am on early this AM (for me at least), I'll have to work later, so I'm posting now.

Thanks for the kind words. It was horrifying at the time , living through SOS. Any normal person would be incensed to think think a sob murderer could profit like that. Even worse, in this case, there is No One to cry out injustice for Caylee. The very people who should are Supplying the pictures and videos are allowing the profiteering off of Caylee's back ~ so that others get PAID! (Baez, Baden, Lee, Kobe, etc)

I doubt the state will even touch much on her making a profit off the sale of these things......they're more focused on getting her behind prison bars for LIP or the DP. Hope I'm wrong.

This AM on the Today show, Linda Baden & Jose. WTH they are even bothering to work the circut is beyond me. Meridith Viera asks who else it could be since the nanny is non existent.."we can't talk about the case". So they talk about the Sam Shepard Case, and the Movie (for gods sake) with Harrison Ford as a man who is wrongly accused of his wifes murder. When asked how Casey is, he says (again :rolleyes:) he will not discuss his client's personal info. Since when is it wrong for an innocent mother to be described as Distraught, on meds, or even saying she is just beside herself? GUESS WHEN SHE'S NOT THAT INNOCENT

Oh...Jose did not lie when he said HE doesn't have any kind of deals in the works. They're CASEY"S deals, so he can get paid. It's all in the way you say it, huh? Don't know about Florida regarding this expansion to the SOS Law of SB1565 that California passed. This might mean that Caylee's personal items can also be sold by others. If someone had a shirt of Caylee's or a doll or Something, this someone might be able to profit in the future.


Fact remains, Zaneida the invisible nanny did not put a deceased Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car. It will all come back to bite her in the ass. Payback's a B*T*H. Enjoy your Cheetos and Chocolate, Casey.

Or can't you swallow it with that lump in your throat?

Sorry to rant.
:rose:

If I were Judge Strickland, I would say no more news shows outside of Orlando for you. If you want a change of venue, then stop being on national shows. Actually, I would decline the change of venue but that could end up on appeal so I would limit the exposure of the attorneys. You don't see any of the prosecutors flapping their gums on local or national news shows.

Gator

[Gatordog]

On Fox 35 this morning: It is not known whether or not the Liar will be permitted to watch the public memorial service on television. It seems she hasn't asked to view it. If she doesn't ask, they won't allow her that time. Hmm, hasn't asked to view it.

Gator

[Gatordog]

A lot of games are played in the courtroom and this would probably end up being one of them. She will be well coached by her attorney -- if she's called to the stand -- and she will most likely come across to the jury as a grieving grandmother. She will definitely have the jury's sympathy. Remember, these jurors won't be people as glued to this case as we are. If the DA comes down hard on her, the jury will hate him. That's what I meant by bullying. You bet she's one tough cookie but that side of Cindy will never be seen by the jury.

Cindy has one hell of a temper. Who else would come out to face protesters? The prosecutors will know which buttons to press and she will come out full force. I don't think you can hold back that kind of rage.

Gator

[Gatordog]

This is beyond sad that the Anthony's have to go through these measures just to have a public memorial for Caylee. No doubt this all stems from Murt and his gang who planned to videotape the service and show it online. :rolleyes: :no:

Date Set For Caylee Anthony Public Memorial

Thursday, February 5, 2009 – updated: 4:48 pm EST February 5, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The attorney for Caylee Anthony's grandparents told Eyewitness News on Thursday that the public memorial service for Caylee would be held on the morning of Tuesday, February 10.

The memorial service will be held at the First Baptist Church of Orlando (see map), attorney Brad Conway told Eyewitness News, and start at 10:00am. No cameras are allowed in the church, but WFTV.com expects to be able to provide a live video feed online of the service.

Dr. David Uth, Senior Pastor of First Baptist Orlando, released the following statement Thursday: "I believe God placed First Baptist Church of Orlando here in Central Florida to make a difference in this community, and to love this community. We believe our purpose is to be a lighthouse, especially in difficult and dark times. One of those times is now as we have all been saddened by the death of Caylee Anthony. As a church, we want to provide hope, healing and the opportunity to experience God's love. We believe that hosting the service will give us the opportunity to minister to a family in need and to a community that is hurting because of the loss of this precious child."

Seating for the public service will start at 9:00am. The church told Eyewitness News no bags, backpacks, purses, cell phones, still photo or video cameras will be permitted. There will be a strong security presence and attendees will have to pass through a metal detector.

The service will be held in the church's 5,000-seat Worship Center.

Caylee Anthony's remains were found in December in a wooded area less than a mile from her grandparent's home. Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, remains in jail on first-degree murder charges in connection with Caylee's death.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18650457/detail.html#-

It's going to be broadcast on television anyway which will have it on their websites. I can't help thinking that it's a deal Cindy and George made with the Liar in order for her to release Caylee to the grandparents for burial. Maybe the Liar wants to sell the rights to the pictures of the service to People Magazine or the Enquirer.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I wonder if Casey left the house the night of the 15th in anger, but didn't take Caylee and went back the next morning to get her? Why would this little girl be up at midnight when the fight was happening? She should've been in bed for hours. I wonder if this is when Casey was filmed ALONE in a hotel parking lot...maybe Caylee was still at home and Cindy was calling her to come home and take care of her child...and so she did...in her own evil way.

I believe the fight happened earlier in the evening. And Jesse's statement says that Lee told him that Casey took Caylee and left.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I'm not sure what time the fight allegedly occured. I dont' recall reading or hearing about WHEN it happened. Could have been shortly after Cindy and Caylee returned from Grandma Pleasa's, and we don't know what time that was, either. Or, it could have been later, like maybe Casey wasn't home when Cindy got home. It had to be @ a time that the neighbor was up, for him to have heard it. Unless his bedroom window was right next to the area where Cindy and Casey were, and maybe the windows open.

June 15th - air conditioners are on and windows are closed which means it was one heck of a battle to be heard. I'm thinking it was around 9:30. I think I read that in one of the tabloids. George got home from work between 11 and 11:30 so it was before that time.

Gator

[Gatordog]

[I]At one time I was very much into NY's Son of Sam law because it was very close to heart. An acquaintance was killed by him, and another friend, Judy, survived, but is disfigured and traumatized. At 18, it changed my life also.


I was disheartened and saddened ~ even embarrassed, to learn the US Supreme Court declared the Son of Sam Law unconstitutional, as it infringed on their 1st Amendment rights~ using as example Henry Thoreau, Malcolm X and even Martin Luther King, all of whom had acknowledged criminal acts in their books.

Mark Klaas got involved also, after finding out that letters written by Polly's killer Richard Allen Davis were being sold. California tried to expand the law in 2000 to cover the sale of what is now known as Murder Memorabilia, by a felon's rep or third parties...ie, hair fingernails,whatever and drafted not to prohibit, but so that victims can collect from the sale of these items.

Florida is different. As you might have seen tonight on NG, Casey has already made over $200,000 on sales of pictures of Caylee. Baez is at this moment marketing videos of Casey and Caylee to various media to sell.

Casey Anthony CAN and WILL profit from anything she sells now, and even if she is convicted she will profit! These videos were obtained from Cindy Anthony, and the TVdefense atty's are stating she has a right to make the money to pay for her defense, saying how else will she get the money?

Screw Zenaida Gonzalez for now is what Jose has on his mind.he has more important things on his mind..like how Casey can profit from the murder of Caylee and how well he'll make out on the deal.

Only in America, folks....only in America.
http://www.law.ufl.edu/uflaw/08spring/upcoming/
:flamemad::cuss: some info..http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/rolling.html

Hey OS

I was living in Queens at the time and also 18 years old. I can't remember be so fearful. At night, you basically ran to your car and into your house or building. I had long dark hair and for a long time, they said that what he was looking for in a victim. I, too, had a friend who had a friend killed by him in the Bronx. It was a scarey time.

Gator

[browneyes106]

I just saw the Today Show interview with Linda Kenney Badan and Jose Baez and they are comparing Casey to Dr. Sam Shepherd.

[tv]

I agree that both shows are becoming more tabloid than news. But as far as Adji, I live in Orlando and the first I heard of him being missing is on the Nancy Grace show, not even local news. I find something very odd about that case too. If this little boy has the mental capacity of a two year old, why are they leaving him alone to play outside? Even if he had little friends with him, if he were my grandson, I'd be with him at all times. Something is not right there. JMO

GatorI've thought that all along, Gatordog. Why in the world was he playing outside without supervision? Where could he be that no one can find him? At this point, I don't think this is a case of him simply wandering off. :(

[tv]

I just saw the Today Show interview with Linda Kenney Badan and Jose Baez and they are comparing Casey to Dr. Sam Shepherd.What are they saying are the similarities? :eek:

[One2Snoop]

I just saw the Today Show interview with Linda Kenney Badan and Jose Baez and they are comparing Casey to Dr. Sam Shepherd.

Say what???? :confused:

[crowamongdoves]

Cindy has one hell of a temper. Who else would come out to face protesters? The prosecutors will know which buttons to press and she will come out full force. I don't think you can hold back that kind of rage.

Gator

Yeah ITA I don't think it will take much to ruffle Cindy's feathers she will try to hold onto that temper of hers but I bet the prosecutors will find a way to get her to show her true colours, from what I've seen of her it won't take much kind of like this Prosecutor :seeya: Cindy :cuss:

IMO

[Gatordog]

What are they saying are the similarities? :eek:

I didn't see it but I'm guess that they are going to say an innocent person was proclaimed guilty in the media and public opinion so the jury found him guilty. These defense attorneys are making themselves seem like fools. I believe a defense attorney should advise the client and act in a wise manner. Finding any way to get a defendant off when they are guilty doesn't jive with me. Get them a plea agreement down to the lowest possible offense, that's an attorneys job. Instead these attorneys are making up stories and talking out of their behinds. How these people can sleep at night is beyond me. :shrug:

Gator

[crowamongdoves]

I've thought that all along, Gatordog. Why in the world was he playing outside without supervision? Where could he be that no one can find him? At this point, I don't think this is a case of him simply wandering off. :(

I don't think so either I think someone has taken him. They've done quite a large search and I think if he had just wandered off on his own he wouldn't have gotten far they would have found him by now.

[crowamongdoves]

I didn't see it but I'm guess that they are going to say an innocent person was proclaimed guilty in the media and public opinion so the jury found him guilty. These defense attorneys are making themselves seem like fools. I believe a defense attorney should advise the client and act in a wise manner. Finding any way to get a defendant off when they are guilty doesn't jive with me. Get them a plea agreement down to the lowest possible offense, that's an attorneys job. Instead these attorneys are making up stories and talking out of their behinds. How these people can sleep at night is beyond me. :shrug:

Gator

Bozo is just trying to get some money by way of selling the photos for Casey so he can get paid, he's scrambling around trying to get deals before his client is found guilty and she won't be able to profit off her crime. I am just amazed at how unethical some of the people in this case are acting. MOO

[Native Alien]

June 15th - air conditioners are on and windows are closed which means it was one heck of a battle to be heard. I'm thinking it was around 9:30. I think I read that in one of the tabloids. George got home from work between 11 and 11:30 so it was before that time.

Gator

The one that the neighbor heard was outside and it was Casey being loud at her mother. Give me a minute to retrieve the info from the other post that I made on another thread on here and I can give you links to what Jesse said that Lee told him and what the neighbor said as well, both per LE.

[tv]

I didn't see it but I'm guess that they are going to say an innocent person was proclaimed guilty in the media and public opinion so the jury found him guilty. These defense attorneys are making themselves seem like fools. I believe a defense attorney should advise the client and act in a wise manner. Finding any way to get a defendant off when they are guilty doesn't jive with me. Get them a plea agreement down to the lowest possible offense, that's an attorneys job. Instead these attorneys are making up stories and talking out of their behinds. How these people can sleep at night is beyond me. :shrug:

Gator

There are a lot of cases that can be cited where the public thought the defendant was guilty and was found not guilty. I see they're not comparing her to OJ Simpson, Robert Blake or Michael Jackson. I think for them it's not about justice for their client but about building up their reputations as high profile defense attorneys. Mark Geragos is probably Jose Baez's idol. One thing for sure -- their lawyering skills are about as equally crappy.

[crowamongdoves]

Gator

Since you are in Florida I was wondering if you heard anymore about the woman
who said that she talked to Caylee at the airport I think it was. The one where the woman said Caylee told her name.

[Native Alien]

Let me first say thanks to One2Snoop for the original link.

The original Link is

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

On page 45 is where Jesse Grund tells the police about Lee telling him about the fight between Casey and Cindy.

On page 54 and 55 the detective talks about talking to the neighbor that heard a couple of loud arguments between Casey and Cindy.

[Native Alien]

Gator

Since you are in Florida I was wondering if you heard anymore about the woman
who said that she talked to Caylee at the airport I think it was. The one where the woman said Caylee told her name.

Is that the one where the woman's 14 year old son agreed with the woman that Caylee was on the plane with them? The one that was supposedly on the video at the airport?

[crowamongdoves]

Question for all u good legal minds out there. Reason for Liar to not be responding simply to ZG"s lawyer-No thats not the Z.G. Could that open the door for the prosecution to go after her in the criminal trial? Could it be Bozo wants to just not even go there on the Nanny story? If she acknowledges her existence in the civil trial i would think thats going to be hard to ignore. Can that be brought in?

I think that if Liar says no that's not ZG it will make her look less credible (if that's possible) would be hard to say no that isn't the ZG I'm talking about but it would be a real hard sell to the jury that there's another ZG that also had NY plates and is tied to the Sawgrass Apts. IMO So I'm thinking that Bozo would rather her say nothing than to try to spin it if she says no to that ZG. MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

I am on early this AM (for me at least), I'll have to work later, so I'm posting now.

Thanks for the kind words. It was horrifying at the time , living through SOS. Any normal person would be incensed to think think a sob murderer could profit like that. Even worse, in this case, there is No One to cry out injustice for Caylee. The very people who should are Supplying the pictures and videos are allowing the profiteering off of Caylee's back ~ so that others get PAID! (Baez, Baden, Lee, Kobe, etc)

I doubt the state will even touch much on her making a profit off the sale of these things......they're more focused on getting her behind prison bars for LIP or the DP. Hope I'm wrong.

This AM on the Today show, Linda Baden & Jose. WTH they are even bothering to work the circut is beyond me. Meridith Viera asks who else it could be since the nanny is non existent.."we can't talk about the case". So they talk about the Sam Shepard Case, and the Movie (for gods sake) with Harrison Ford as a man who is wrongly accused of his wifes murder. When asked how Casey is, he says (again :rolleyes:) he will not discuss his client's personal info. Since when is it wrong for an innocent mother to be described as Distraught, on meds, or even saying she is just beside herself? GUESS WHEN SHE'S NOT THAT INNOCENT

Oh...Jose did not lie when he said HE doesn't have any kind of deals in the works. They're CASEY"S deals, so he can get paid. It's all in the way you say it, huh? Don't know about Florida regarding this expansion to the SOS Law of SB1565 that California passed. This might mean that Caylee's personal items can also be sold by others. If someone had a shirt of Caylee's or a doll or Something, this someone might be able to profit in the future.


Fact remains, Zaneida the invisible nanny did not put a deceased Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car. It will all come back to bite her in the ass. Payback's a B*T*H. Enjoy your Cheetos and Chocolate, Casey.

Or can't you swallow it with that lump in your throat?

Sorry to rant.
:rose:

But it's a great rant!!

How in the world can the defense whine to the judge about the time that it will take to depose their witnesses, warn that they won't be ready for trial any time soon, and take time out of their schedules to appear on The Today Show? Don't they have more important things to do than to (attempt to) salvage their un-redeemable client?

[javahog]

From what Morgan said on NG, if she would just look @ the picture and say it is not the ZFG she was referring to, she would not have to take the 5th nor answer any of the other questions.

I guess it was Herman, another lawyer who said it would be all over if she answered that one question, and Morgan did not disagree. (the know-it-all from NY he refers to is Ripka, I think, not Herman):



GRACE: Can you put it in a nutshell, just this one time?

HERMAN: All she has to say is, all Casey has to say that`s not the Zenaida I`m referring to and it`s over. He -- call.

GRACE: John Morgan, would that make you happy if she would say on record that much?

JOHN MORGAN, CO-COUNSEL FOR ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ, ALLEGED BABYSITTER: Yes. Let me tell the know-it-all from up in New York so he gets his facts straight. We`ve sent her interrogatories, we`ve attached this picture. All she needs to do is say that`s not her. Go ahead and say it.

*respectful snip*

I enjoyed your post, Amy!

I was watching that, and rolled around the 'why not' in my head. So I figure, Morgan says, say this is not the ZFG "I was referring to"...well, if Casey does that, then Morgan can line up all the facts that are identical and get her for perjury. Because this ZFG is clearly her mnemonic reference for ZFG. And on top of that, if this isn't ZFG, what criminal jury on earth would believe there is another ZFG that matches on so many details? And can't be found? Morgan has her seven ways to Sunday.

Little Miss Smarty Pants is in a heck of a pickle.

[crowamongdoves]

Is that the one where the woman's 14 year old son agreed with the woman that Caylee was on the plane with them? The one that was supposedly on the video at the airport?

Yeah the one that told Cindy that the little girl said her name is "Caylee Marie Anthony".

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree that both shows are becoming more tabloid than news. But as far as Adji, I live in Orlando and the first I heard of him being missing is on the Nancy Grace show, not even local news. I find something very odd about that case too. If this little boy has the mental capacity of a two year old, why are they leaving him alone to play outside? Even if he had little friends with him, if he were my grandson, I'd be with him at all times. Something is not right there. JMO

Gator

Glad that NG is continuing to remind us about Adji (I would have had him lo-jacked, but that's just me). It's looking mighty grim for him. Wish that Nancy and Jane would rant at the Arizona case involving Child Romero! And instead of showing pix of her kids, Nancy could at least show more photos of missing children or current Amber Alerts.

I still have both JVM and NG on most nights, but FF a lot and actually walk out of the room sometimes!

[lorettalockhorn]

It's going to be broadcast on television anyway which will have it on their websites. I can't help thinking that it's a deal Cindy and George made with the Liar in order for her to release Caylee to the grandparents for burial. Maybe the Liar wants to sell the rights to the pictures of the service to People Magazine or the Enquirer.

Gator

Something along those lines came up last night on NG, and Kathy Belich said that her station (for instance) was going to air the memorial service and that people could record it for themselves, and that she didn't see who would actually pay to see any of the service since it will be free. That makes sense, but maybe The Liar thinks she can autograph photos or draw little hearts on them and make them personal. UGH

[javahog]

:mad:
*snip*

MORE STRANGERS GIVE CASEY MONEY:cuss:

Casey continues to be well-funded in jail. She had about $300 in her jail account Thursday and spent $12 this week on snacks and a drink. She also received another $75 from complete strangers living in Fort Lauderdale, California and Michigan.

*snip*
]

Well, in their defense, I'm kind of curious as to how fat she'll get, too! Put both of your trotters in that trough!

[javahog]

On Fox 35 this morning: It is not known whether or not the Liar will be permitted to watch the public memorial service on television. It seems she hasn't asked to view it. If she doesn't ask, they won't allow her that time. Hmm, hasn't asked to view it.

Gator

Hello, Jose, tell your client to request it and watch it! Idjit.

[Native Alien]

Yeah the one that told Cindy that the little girl said her name is "Caylee Marie Anthony".

LE said that they tracked that and the little girl actually looked nothing like Caylee. If you watch the video's of Orange County LE's interview with Cindy he talks about that very incident towards the end of the interview.

[javahog]

It's going to be broadcast on television anyway which will have it on their websites. I can't help thinking that it's a deal Cindy and George made with the Liar in order for her to release Caylee to the grandparents for burial. Maybe the Liar wants to sell the rights to the pictures of the service to People Magazine or the Enquirer.

Gator

Oh my gosh! I knew there was a reason Casey was holding the remains hostage! I thought something amorphous like positive testimony but that didn't make sense since once she released her, no leverage! You can't contract THAT. But this, photos and videos, that makes sense! Totally. And Cindy and George were holding out...ooh, and this probably helped George go over the edge, more evidence of evil-ness and not having the "closure" of a funeral...And Cindy gave in after the suicide attempt to just go ahead with a funeral. And this is why Casey has nothing to do with the funeral plans, that was part of the deal. (Oh, and she doesn't give a rat's patootie, methinks)

[Gatordog]

Brad Conway on Tv last night, LKL. Cindy has been keeping busy lately, with all the planning for the memorial, so it's been taking her mind off things. I imagine that's why she hadn't been to see George so much in Daytona. :cool:
Busy, Busy.

Jose has been doing the dealing for Cindy, so there's nothing to hold out on.......win, win, all the way around.:cuss:

Cindy is acting as if this memorial service is a freakin wedding, planning the music and flowers. Disgusting. The real kicker is that Brad Conway said that Caylee's remains or even a casket will not be in the church for the memorial sevice. Makes me wonder if the defense has actually released the body for burial. If the body or casket isn't going to be at the service, why the heck wasn't there a memorial last month?

Gator

[Gatordog]

Au contraire, Amy. Jose is selling them for Casey.......she's Caylee's first of kin so to speak. Since the pictures and videos were mostly taken by Cindy (comeon, we know it) maybe those two will start in with each other about who has the rights, between themselves. Imagine? Now, if ZG wins, (in the verrrrrrrry distant future probably), whether she'll ever get to see any money from Casey is another story altogether. Check out my link on the prior page about Harry Rollins. It's on my Rant post LOL.

Jose and all will get paid...very well.

Since it's civil, I think the amount of the suit is $15K. If the pictures sell for $200,000 or more, it's worth the $15k.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Oh puhleeese! :rolleyes:

Defense claims Casey Anthony case mirrors TV show

Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:33 AM EST, February 6, 2009

Casey Anthony's defense attorneys appeared this morning on NBC's Today Show and compared their client with the lead character from the popular 1960s TV show, The Fugitive.

In that television show, actor David Janssen plays Dr. Richard Kimble. He blames a one-armed man for the murder of his wife, but no one believes him and he is convicted in her death. Kimble runs from the law but is vindicated in the end.

"The person who seemed to be so guilty that the locals have made this person so guilty," attorney Linda Kenney Baden told Today Show host Meredith Vieira. "He was so hated and he ran from the law and it turns out he was innocent. In this case, we believe our client [Anthony] is innocent."

Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie, and is being held without bail at the Orange County Jail. Caylee's remains were found close to the home the toddler shared with her mother and grandparents.

Anthony claims Caylee was kidnapped by her babysitter, Zenaida Gonzalez, who investigators think does not exist.

"The comparison [to the television show] is for everyone has to wait. You have to stop saying someone is guilty," Baden said.

Lead defense attorney Jose Baez said "it's her [Anthony] against the world."

He spoke little about the change of venue, saying he plans to "keep the location we're asking for secret."

"I don't want that disclosed," Baez said. "I don't want what's going on in Orlando to happen in the new location."

Baez added, "I am doing the best I can for my client...I am quite frankly, doing the oath that I took."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-caylee-anthony-020609,0,2547975.story

[shadydaisy]

Cindy is acting as if this memorial service is a freakin wedding, planning the music and flowers. Disgusting. The real kicker is that Brad Conway said that Caylee's remains or even a casket will not be in the church for the memorial sevice. Makes me wonder if the defense has actually released the body for burial. If the body or casket isn't going to be at the service, why the heck wasn't there a memorial last month?

Gator

Ug. I hate the whole thing. If they were handling this properly they would have had a private ceremony ages ago. A public memorial would have been ok, but not really my thing. But they should have handled the final resting of the remains asap.

If the defense has not released the remains yet, why not? What can they possibly hope to find in what little is left? Are they holding Caylee over C&G's heads for their cooperation at the trial?

I really never felt truly, deeply sorry for C&G. I understand their pain but I think they brought a lot of it on themselves. They managed to piss everyone off who wanted to help them and really find Caylee. I thought (still do) they both needed a big reality check. I love my children with all my heart, would throw myself in front of harms way, but I'm not covering for them if they kill one of their children.

[lorettalockhorn]

OMG........I'm posting with myself again.....:eek:

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiitttttttttttt..WTH ~ I smell like Coco Madamoiselle, so I know it ain't That!

If ya all went for food, bring me back somethin' ~ these Totinos Pizza Rolls aren't cutting it.

TIA :D

Hey OS! I put on a splash of Joy, jumped into my land yacht and went to the ciggy store where I paid $39.00/carton, and also bought a bag of Cheetos. (Wish The Liar would go on a DIET!! I'm so easily influenced by y'all making fun of her snack choices!) Man, I hate going to town. I always get stuck in traffic on the bridge and just want to jump out of my car and run. Plus the semis are always pulling out in front of me forcing me to make obscene gestures. Kinda kills my buzz.

So, want some Cheetos?

[deputydi]

Oh puhleeese! :rolleyes:

Defense claims Casey Anthony case mirrors TV show

Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:33 AM EST, February 6, 2009

Casey Anthony's defense attorneys appeared this morning on NBC's Today Show and compared their client with the lead character from the popular 1960s TV show, The Fugitive.

In that television show, actor David Janssen plays Dr. Richard Kimble. He blames a one-armed man for the murder of his wife, but no one believes him and he is convicted in her death. Kimble runs from the law but is vindicated in the end.

"The person who seemed to be so guilty that the locals have made this person so guilty," attorney Linda Kenney Baden told Today Show host Meredith Vieira. "He was so hated and he ran from the law and it turns out he was innocent. In this case, we believe our client [Anthony] is innocent."

Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie, and is being held without bail at the Orange County Jail. Caylee's remains were found close to the home the toddler shared with her mother and grandparents.

Anthony claims Caylee was kidnapped by her babysitter, Zenaida Gonzalez, who investigators think does not exist.

"The comparison [to the television show] is for everyone has to wait. You have to stop saying someone is guilty," Baden said.

Lead defense attorney Jose Baez said "it's her [Anthony] against the world."

He spoke little about the change of venue, saying he plans to "keep the location we're asking for secret."

"I don't want that disclosed," Baez said. "I don't want what's going on in Orlando to happen in the new location."

Baez added, "I am doing the best I can for my client...I am quite frankly, doing the oath that I took."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-caylee-anthony-020609,0,2547975.story
Oh puhleeese is right!

I missed the appearance on Today, but I probably would have puked so missing it was a good thing.

I am around enough attorneys to understand the cat and mouse game they play, but this one is over the top. There is no gag order in place, so why hasn't he even tried to soften public opinion? If he knows something that would explain the non-existant nanny or a reasonable explanation as to why his client waited 31 days to report her baby missing or how she could be out partying days after the "secret" abduction why isn't he shouting this all over the tv. He never gives a straight answer and someone please tell me how this is helping his client. Maybe he should start by explaining why she lied over and over to LE and hampered the investigation by sending them on several wild goose chases.

[Zingo]

Oh puhleeese! :rolleyes:

Defense claims Casey Anthony case mirrors TV show

Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:33 AM EST, February 6, 2009

Casey Anthony's defense attorneys appeared this morning on NBC's Today Show and compared their client with the lead character from the popular 1960s TV show, The Fugitive.

In that television show, actor David Janssen plays Dr. Richard Kimble. He blames a one-armed man for the murder of his wife, but no one believes him and he is convicted in her death. Kimble runs from the law but is vindicated in the end.

"The person who seemed to be so guilty that the locals have made this person so guilty," attorney Linda Kenney Baden told Today Show host Meredith Vieira. "He was so hated and he ran from the law and it turns out he was innocent. In this case, we believe our client [Anthony] is innocent."

Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie, and is being held without bail at the Orange County Jail. Caylee's remains were found close to the home the toddler shared with her mother and grandparents.

Anthony claims Caylee was kidnapped by her babysitter, Zenaida Gonzalez, who investigators think does not exist.

"The comparison [to the television show] is for everyone has to wait. You have to stop saying someone is guilty," Baden said.

Lead defense attorney Jose Baez said "it's her [Anthony] against the world."

He spoke little about the change of venue, saying he plans to "keep the location we're asking for secret."

"I don't want that disclosed," Baez said. "I don't want what's going on in Orlando to happen in the new location."

Baez added, "I am doing the best I can for my client...I am quite frankly, doing the oath that I took."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-caylee-anthony-020609,0,2547975.story

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's fictional employoment, and indeed, of Casey's actual employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to sell pictures of her dead daughter and send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.

[lorettalockhorn]

Cindy is acting as if this memorial service is a freakin wedding, planning the music and flowers. Disgusting. The real kicker is that Brad Conway said that Caylee's remains or even a casket will not be in the church for the memorial sevice. Makes me wonder if the defense has actually released the body for burial. If the body or casket isn't going to be at the service, why the heck wasn't there a memorial last month?

Gator

Cindy is the epitome of poor taste. They could have had a memorial service weeks ago; no casket or remains would have been necessary. It's not like this family isn't accustomed to putting up a false front. Yeah, she acts like it's the social event of the year. Like the funeral home is perfectly capable of or accustomed to helping or full on making arrangements.

Did y'all notice last night on NG that no one stepped up to volunteer names of people who aren't going to be allowed into the service? Hasn't Cindy already disinvited Pervy Murt and Granny Lois?

Honest to God, I don't see why they even want to go to the memorial, but I get the feeling it's to give a thumbs up or thumbs down to the bouncers.

[lorettalockhorn]

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's employoment, and indeed, of Casey's employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.

Zingo, that's a great movie synopsis! Too bad Zenaida and the bird mafia didn't take all those $$ and just buy Caylee from Casey. Instead she sits penniless (except for her commissary account) and is forced to collect blood money for Caylee's photos.

[One2Snoop]

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's fictional employoment, and indeed, of Casey's actual employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to sell pictures of her dead daughter and send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.

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[lorettalockhorn]

A little of this............http://i42.tinypic.com/2ai0h0g.jpgA little of that, with your big hair, those lips and a cig hanging outta your mouth??
Boy, you CAN multitask!!!

Listen, we still can't get over you going to the DDS by yourself, now you're even shopping!! LOL!

Trade ya some Wavy Lays for some Cheetos, ok?

Where I am, a pack of Marlboro lights is $5.15 at CVS....half an hour away they're like $7.75.....suckers. :tongue: That's when I stop smoking.

Is going for cigs really shopping? Only smoke a little over half a pack a day, so they'll last awhile. I know that's still too much. hmmm Wavy Lays, is that like waterbed ... Never mind. And can you believe that it was SIXTY degrees? I raked a whole section of my yard, put water in both my ponds, let water out of the pool and cleaned my skimmers, worked on my compost pile and picked up a bunch of windfall/deadfall. I'm convinced that we're having an early spring and cannot wait!!

[browneyes106]

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's fictional employoment, and indeed, of Casey's actual employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to sell pictures of her dead daughter and send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.

Great post Zingo.

[javahog]

Oh puhleeese! :rolleyes:

Defense claims Casey Anthony case mirrors TV show

Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:33 AM EST, February 6, 2009

Casey Anthony's defense attorneys appeared this morning on NBC's Today Show and compared their client with the lead character from the popular 1960s TV show, The Fugitive.

In that television show, actor David Janssen plays Dr. Richard Kimble. He blames a one-armed man for the murder of his wife, but no one believes him and he is convicted in her death. Kimble runs from the law but is vindicated in the end.

"The person who seemed to be so guilty that the locals have made this person so guilty," attorney Linda Kenney Baden told Today Show host Meredith Vieira. "He was so hated and he ran from the law and it turns out he was innocent. In this case, we believe our client [Anthony] is innocent."

Casey Anthony, 22, is charged with murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee Marie, and is being held without bail at the Orange County Jail. Caylee's remains were found close to the home the toddler shared with her mother and grandparents.

Anthony claims Caylee was kidnapped by her babysitter, Zenaida Gonzalez, who investigators think does not exist.

"The comparison [to the television show] is for everyone has to wait. You have to stop saying someone is guilty," Baden said.

Lead defense attorney Jose Baez said "it's her [Anthony] against the world."

He spoke little about the change of venue, saying he plans to "keep the location we're asking for secret."

"I don't want that disclosed," Baez said. "I don't want what's going on in Orlando to happen in the new location."

Baez added, "I am doing the best I can for my client...I am quite frankly, doing the oath that I took."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-caylee-anthony-020609,0,2547975.story

Pssst, defense? Richard Kimble, fictional. Zenaida Gonzalez, fictional. Moroons. Sorry LKB, but you shouldn't hitch your star to this honey wagon.

[javahog]

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's fictional employoment, and indeed, of Casey's actual employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to sell pictures of her dead daughter and send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.

Wow, when you put it that way Casey sounds as nuts as John Cauthen!

[javahog]

Conway is on HLN, is saying it "says a lot about the Anthony family" that they are planning the public service before they plan the private service. And, yeah, there's a "security team" that will be making sure the uninvited will be "out before they get in"

Casey cannot go to the service, they don't know if she'll be allowed to watch, doesn't know if she's asked to watch. That for Baez to work on (paraphrased)

The Anthony's do NOT have her remains.

[javahog]

Yes, woman, it SO IS shopping LOL!! Wavy Lays = waterbed (snickering)
BTW ~ It was -5 yesterday with the wind chill factor...today is 15....You can stop rubbin it in anytime now or would you rather I come over and hang you and your hair on the wall? :tongue:
:beer:

or we can do this to you http://i39.tinypic.com/1042peb.jpg

You! How come you always post that ONLY when my youngling is particularly "active"?

[javahog]

java, this pic is the best..who did this to (your?) youngling?! I'll never forget the first time I saw it...I almost peed my pants!

It reminds me of when my bff babysat him for a few hours, and when I got back she suggested making a velcro wall...and a matching "suit", har!

[javahog]

It's a concern, this memorial. When they were showing clips of those people who were actually banging on the Anthony's door, screaming "where is Caylee????!!!" and the fighting and stuff.....it got pretty hairy.

I wonder how Cindy is going to separate these nuts from the 'real' people. Some she might recognize, but otherwise....:shrug:

Yeah. I don't think they're worried about ied's in backpacks but big ol protest signs. Even with the strictures I won't be surprised if it is disrupted. But I don't think LP is a danger for disruption, just annoyance.

[lorettalockhorn]

Conway is on HLN, is saying it "says a lot about the Anthony family" that they are planning the public service before they plan the private service. And, yeah, there's a "security team" that will be making sure the uninvited will be "out before they get in"

Casey cannot go to the service, they don't know if she'll be allowed to watch, doesn't know if she's asked to watch. That for Baez to work on (paraphrased)

The Anthony's do NOT have her remains.

Thanks for the heads up! I switched over and we have Conway in the split screen with Mr. Plesea holding Caylee on the other side. God it breaks my heart to see AP and little Caylee comforting each other when we know that in 12-24 hours she was likely dead and bagged because she posed a threat to her so-called mother.

Conway: This little girl has touched everybody's hearts. Yeah, except for Casey's. Oh riiiiiiigggghhhhhtttt She doesn't have one.

Oh He thinks that unless LP is moving in, Conway doesn't know why he belongs here. And then goes on about people causing scenes. Now, I don't care for Lenny, but I cannot imagine him causing a scene. Cindy on the other hand would be repeating history if she caused one.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, woman, it SO IS shopping LOL!! Wavy Lays = waterbed (snickering)
BTW ~ It was -5 yesterday with the wind chill factor...today is 15....You can stop rubbin it in anytime now or would you rather I come over and hang you and your hair on the wall? :tongue:
:beer:

or we can do this to you http://i39.tinypic.com/1042peb.jpg

LOL Bondage AND Wavy Lays!

[javahog]

Thanks for the heads up! I switched over and we have Conway in the split screen with Mr. Plesea holding Caylee on the other side. God it breaks my heart to see AP and little Caylee comforting each other when we know that in 12-24 hours she was likely dead and bagged because she posed a threat to her so-called mother.

Conway: This little girl has touched everybody's hearts. Yeah, except for Casey's. Oh riiiiiiigggghhhhhtttt She doesn't have one.

Oh He thinks that unless LP is moving in, Conway doesn't know why he belongs here. And then goes on about people causing scenes. Now, I don't care for Lenny, but I cannot imagine him causing a scene. Cindy on the other hand would be repeating history if she caused one.

Why does anyone belong there? Its a public memorial. As annoying as I find LP these days, hey, why ban him? He showed more concern about Caylee than Casey sure did.

Save the security team for the people you DON"T know about, Cindy. The ones you won't recognize are more likely to be a problem.

[javahog]

I wonder if C will post herself at the door. I hope it does not turn into a circus for Caylee's sake. Lets hope the loudmouth nutbars stay away. Oh gawd that just might include some family-sorry i said that. Me bad again:tongue: I truly hope it is a respectable event for that little girl. :rose:

After this much time, the nutbars are too worked up-I think that is the worst part of waiting too long. The only way to have a respectable event is to only have a private one, I think...

[javahog]

Bags of any kind...does that include diaper bags? Everyone might be real sorry about that rule, lol!

[javahog]

Now that you mentioned it...I wonder if Cindys brother Rick is invited, and his family? That might be where the trouble comes in!

Maybe they can't have a private funeral...who can come?

[One2Snoop]

http://i42.tinypic.com/if243p.jpg

[crowamongdoves]

LE said that they tracked that and the little girl actually looked nothing like Caylee. If you watch the video's of Orange County LE's interview with Cindy he talks about that very incident towards the end of the interview.

Thanks NA I will go and look for them.;)

[Zingo]

Yes, woman, it SO IS shopping LOL!! Wavy Lays = waterbed (snickering)
BTW ~ It was -5 yesterday with the wind chill factor...today is 15....You can stop rubbin it in anytime now or would you rather I come over and hang you and your hair on the wall? :tongue:
:beer:

or we can do this to you http://i39.tinypic.com/1042peb.jpg

OMGosh, that is a funny photo. I have a two-year-old and can TOTALLY relate to THAT.

And yet, any time I see duct tape these days I become very very depressed
:(

[javahog]

We can always pretend and Gator can be our eyes and ears again if able to make it. As someone mentioned earlier perhaps we could pick 2 times on that day when we all release balloons from our own homes. if we have 2 different times we could accomodate all with schedules. What do you all think? Maybe we should save the wrap party for when the Liar goes to the Big House?

I love the idea, but released balloons kill a lot of animals that swallow them when they deflate. Maybe those of us in snowless areas could buy a packet of ladybugs at the local nursery and release those?

[javahog]

Yikes i did not know that. I am in a snowbelt but great idea for those who are not.

This site has some simple info for how to do a good safe balloon release: http://www.balloonrelease.com/faqs.htm Mostly they say use latex balloons, not mylar, and no strings (just for the record, I am not a tree-hugger, lol! I would just hate for a memorial to Caylee to take out those nefarious plotting squirrels)

[javahog]

I work 4-12 (midnight) on Feb. 10th so anytime before 3:30 ish is good for me. Perhaps if we pick a morning and eve time we can accomodate those who want to join in? So everybody wanting to do so lets get a general concensus on times. May have to set up 3 since some are from differing time zones. What do ya all think?

Are you in Canada Toronto side or Canada BC? (time zone? ps my hubby is a Torontonian...)

[javahog]

Ahhh say hi to your hubby i am not all that far from TO. Give em a big Canadian AYE from me. lol. Eastern time zone for me but i do know we have some Cali and Zony folks. P.S. does he say tawmawtoe or tomatoe. lol family joke.

He speaks with only flat 'a's...is that a Canadian thing? He even has flat a's ordering pasta in Italy. It makes my ears bleed, lol!

Okay, so 12:30 for me.

[javahog]

I will get laxtex then and cut the strings. Thanks for the info. I am thinking purple as i remember her pic in that cute purple outfit and those purple star sunglasses. I shall add some pink as it just seems fitting for the little princess that she was. Gawd i hate to say was. It hurts my heart. :rose:

Hey beemer, maybe post the idea on the OT thread? Some folks hang there if they are not in the mood to deal with the criminal case...

[javahog]

Yep prolly a Canadian thing lol with some it depends on the part your from and sometimes just the word. We do say Aye alot tho at the end of a sentence. 12:30 works for me. What colour are u thinking? :rose:

A pack of lady bugs and one purple balloon. I like the purple idea!

[Gatordog]

That really did help thank you.

Okay so about this phone call. It is on the logs as being at 7:45 a.m. on the 16th of June, it lasted approximately 1 minute and it pinged off the tower on Goldenrod Road which is under 2 miles away as the crow flies.

So I am pretty sure that Casey's phone was in the Anthony's house at the time that the call was made.

NA, I happened to be driving on Curry Ford Road tonight and saw the tower. The tower's location is about 100 feet east of Goldenrod Road and 500 ft north of Curry Ford Road intersection.

I hope this helps.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Why does anyone belong there? Its a public memorial. As annoying as I find LP these days, hey, why ban him? He showed more concern about Caylee than Casey sure did.

Save the security team for the people you DON"T know about, Cindy. The ones you won't recognize are more likely to be a problem.

Talk about damned with faint praise! I agree. Regardless of whatever I read into LP's motives, he was looking for Caylee. I've yet to be convinced that the Ants were.

[Gatordog]

gator................Where are you ???!!

Methinks me & gator used to Hustle together at Elephus in Queens!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFz2WkVAk38&feature=related

Where am I? I was seeing if I could still hustle. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-011.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

How about the Stratton on Queens Blvd?

Gator

[Native Alien]

Thanks gator.

I was looking at it strictly as to where it was in relationship to the Anthony house and it isn't far. I was also checking Latitude and Longitude against street addresses.

Looking at that phone call on the 16th after Cindy and Casey got into it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it's really sad that LP is not wanted there. They should be able to bury the hatchett already. I'm sorry she felt LP was a problem to her because he did not believe her Casey... He did not start making comments about CINDY until she tried tearing him apart.
The man gave help to find her grandaughter.......he did more than her own family did. He only wants to pay his respects.

Iwish iwish iwish we were able to make the memorial together ~ the bunch of us here. We could invite ourselves to gators house and stay with Pee Pee and kiwi and gator! Yeah, that the ticket! At night we can make a fire and drink haterade together before we went home We'll even cook together. I know a bunch of folks did just that on the CTV/Laci thread. (Unfortunatey, I couldn't make it.)

It's a nice thought, dontchathink? :)

Woohoo! I think inviting yourself to another poster/gator/dog/frog's house is a capital idea!!!!!!

For Caylee's sake, I hope nothing goes haywire. I just don't get warm fuzzies about the whole thing.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i42.tinypic.com/if243p.jpg

Nancy's hair looks good in that pic! But I have this sickening urge to count her fillings. LMAO

[Gatordog]

OT - sorry, saw a video clip of the woman who had the eight babies, now has 14 kids. Looks like she's had plastic surgery to look like Angelina Jolie. Wait till you see her. She definitely has loose screws.

Gator

[javahog]

OT - sorry, saw a video clip of the woman who had the eight babies, now has 14 kids. Looks like she's had plastic surgery to look like Angelina Jolie. Wait till you see her. She definitely has loose screws.

Gator

I have so much to say in another thread, lol!

[lorettalockhorn]

That really did help thank you.

Okay so about this phone call. It is on the logs as being at 7:45 a.m. on the 16th of June, it lasted approximately 1 minute and it pinged off the tower on Goldenrod Road which is under 2 miles away as the crow flies.

So I am pretty sure that Casey's phone was in the Anthony's house at the time that the call was made.

NA, found this link with a location map of towers in Orlando:

http://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Orlando-Florida.html

(Just wondering from the title if there are towers that aren't licensed by the FCC)

[lorettalockhorn]

Just saw a clip of Brad Conway blathering about photos of Caylee's memorial service being taboo (for the public;i.e. no cameras). Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine anyone outside of the media wanting to take a picture. & missed the gist, but doesn't it seem hypocritical somewhat IF it's true that Casey (through Baez) is planning to market Caylee's photos? Or is it her exclusive right since she is next of kin and owns Caylee's photos/images? Or is it proof that Caylee is her chattel in death.

[Gatordog]

I think it's really sad that LP is not wanted there. They should be able to bury the hatchett already. I'm sorry she felt LP was a problem to her because he did not believe her Casey... He did not start making comments about CINDY until she tried tearing him apart.
The man gave help to find her grandaughter.......he did more than her own family did. He only wants to pay his respects.

Iwish iwish iwish we were able to make the memorial together ~ the bunch of us here. We could invite ourselves to gators house and stay with Pee Pee and kiwi and gator! Yeah, that the ticket! At night we can make a fire and drink haterade together before we went home We'll even cook together. I know a bunch of folks did just that on the CTV/Laci thread. (Unfortunatey, I couldn't make it.)

It's a nice thought, dontchathink? :)

If you think that Gator is going to let you in his house, good luck. My father hasn't been here in about 11 years. Gator knocked him right off his feet and my brother too. My mom comes in and he has to sit on her lap. PeePee and Kiwi would be very happy to have company.

I don't plan on attending the service. Cindy can keep her party to herself. Caylee isn't even going to be there, she's still in the cardboard box. I'll probably tape it and watch it at night. We can have a virtual hagnog toast to Caylee.

If you would like me to go to the memorial site that morning and leave flowers and balloons, I'll do that. Just tell me what you want me to do.

Gator

[javahog]

Just saw a clip of Brad Conway blathering about photos of Caylee's memorial service being taboo (for the public;i.e. no cameras). Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine anyone outside of the media wanting to take a picture. & missed the gist, but doesn't it seem hypocritical somewhat IF it's true that Casey (through Baez) is planning to market Caylee's photos? Or is it her exclusive right since she is next of kin and owns Caylee's photos/images? Or is it proof that Caylee is her chattel in death.

Could be fascinating if anyone wanted to fight it out. Who owns the copyright on the photos? Should be the person who took them, not the parent. Not that they would fight but it would be fun to see them try.

In museum work, I found that rights to an image were owned by the picture taker as they were considered a work of art. (We wanted to sell postcards of the collection. Once cameras were in phones we lost the "no pictures" battle.) If anyone gets a photo at the memorial, they own it and can sell it.

[javahog]

If you think that Gator is going to let you in his house, good luck. My father hasn't been here in about 11 years. Gator knocked him right off his feet and my brother too. My mom comes in and he has to sit on her lap. PeePee and Kiwi would be very happy to have company.

I don't plan on attending the service. Cindy can keep her party to herself. Caylee isn't even going to be there, she's still in the cardboard box. I'll probably tape it and watch it at night. We can have a virtual hagnog toast to Caylee.

If you would like me to go to the memorial site that morning and leave flowers and balloons, I'll do that. Just tell me what you want me to do.

Gator

While they're all distracted by bouncing people out of the memorial, could you go bury the baby decently? That might be asking a lot of you...

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Memorial Service To Have Tight Security

Friday, February 6, 2009 – updated: 5:50 pm EST February 6, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Anthony family attorney unveiled plans Friday about Caylee's funeral next week. The funeral is going to be held at the biggest church in Orlando, First Baptist Church of Orlando.

The Caylee Anthony service will mark the first time the church has handled a memorial service for a murdered child with a family member under suspicion. Security will be very tight and the Anthony family does not want any disruptions.

"The people that aren't welcome, most of them know who they are. The security team for the church and the Anthonys will know and they will be respectfully turned away," attorney Brad Conway said Friday afternoon (watch full press conference).

Meanwhile, an Ormond Beach grandmother and her husband went out of their way Friday to pay their respects to Caylee Anthony at a memorial where her remains were found. To her, it's hallowed ground.

"I look at this child and I look at everyone else around just hurting so much to see a child like this and a memorial like this," Paulette said.

Seeing the memorial in person up-close was overwhelming to her.

"Everyone's taken her into their hearts. I have a little girl in my neighborhood who looks just like her. Her life should be just beginning and it's ended," Paulette said.

Almost two months after Caylee's remains were found less than a mile from her grandparent's home, there's barely a time when WFTV's reporting crew has been the only one at the scene. Even out-of-state vacationers come by to pay their respects to Caylee.

There are thousands of teddy bears and other gifts that have been placed in her honor. It could be an indication of how many people might line up on Tuesday at the First Baptist Church of Orlando to get one of the 5,000 seats available. The parking lot will open at 4:00am and doors at 9:00am for the 10:00am service.

"I don't have details on the service. You're just going to have to come to see," Conway said. "Casey will not be allowed to go to the service. She would have to be furloughed from the Orange County jail in order to do so. So she won't be able to do that. I hope that she will be able to get to [watch it], but we don't know."

Paulette left the scene where Caylee's remains were found Friday with an unanswered question that haunts her.

"How could it be? How could anyone let something like this happen?" she questioned.

Conway said he doesn't know any of the details about the service itself, other than it could last for two hours and said there will be one song that will break everyone's hearts, but he wouldn't say what it is.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18659620/detail.html#-

RAW VIDEO: Brad Conway Press Conf. On Memorial
http://www.wftv.com/news/18659620/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Leonard Padilla was just on NG - said he's the only one on the hit list of who won't be allowed in - he thinks Lois (Dakota's grandma) will be added and Mark Klass. What did Klass do to offend Cindy? :shrug:

[javahog]

Leonard Padilla was just on NG - said he's the only one on the hit list of who won't be allowed in - he thinks Lois (Dakota's grandma) will be added and Mark Klass. What did Klass do to offend Cindy? :shrug:

Wow. I guess she's watching tv! He harshed on them a couple of times...

[javahog]

Uggh. I just realized (late, I know) that since NG has so many images and movies of Caylee that were sold for licensing fees, she's one of the people paying for Jose Baez.

[Gatordog]

On NG - Did you hear Brad Conway say that "Caylee hadn't even made it to her third birthday". Oh, so he knows when she was killed? Does he believe LE's and the scientists when they say date of death is June 16th?

Gator

[javahog]

Java i forgot u are a Cali person. Are you 3 hrs. behind me? I am eastern time. 8:34 here right now

Yep, 3 hrs behind...or 21 hours ahead if you take the philosophical view that the planet is a circle, and a circle has no beginning or end...

[Gatordog]

Uggh. I just realized (late, I know) that since NG has so many images and movies of Caylee that were sold for licensing fees, she's one of the people paying for Jose Baez.

Just a thought - NBC or ABC paid $200K for the videos and pics of caylee. Perhaps they own the right to them and now the station is getting paid for them. Just a thought.

Gator

[javahog]

On NG - Did you hear Brad Conway say that "Caylee hadn't even made it to her third birthday". Oh, so he knows when she was killed? Does he believe LE's and the scientists when they say date of death is June 16th?

Gator

He knows, Gator. They all know. Its all just a silly game. They all know.

[javahog]

Just a thought - NBC or ABC paid $200K for the videos and pics of caylee. Perhaps they own the right to them and now the station is getting paid for them. Just a thought.

Gator

They said they "licensed" it. Is that like renting or owning? I mean, can other's license them as well from the "rights owners" or do they have to pay ABC? I know nothing of these details...http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/nbc/more_caylee_anthony_photos_more_licensing_98181.as p

[Gatordog]

Kind of annoys me when they keep talking about the protestors possibly disrupting the service. I don't think that will happen. Those protestors were at the house ONLY when the Liar was there. They were only at the house because they wanted the Liar back in jail.

Gator

[javahog]

Night all! Friday dinner and Doctor Who night!

[Gatordog]

They said they "licensed" it. Is that like renting or owning? I mean, can other's license them as well from the "rights owners" or do they have to pay ABC? I know nothing of these details...http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/nbc/more_caylee_anthony_photos_more_licensing_98181.as p

I remember the phrase as "bought the rights". To me I would think they own the those clips and photos now.

[One2Snoop]

Kind of annoys me when they keep talking about the protestors possibly disrupting the service. I don't think that will happen. Those protestors were at the house ONLY when the Liar was there. They were only at the house because they wanted the Liar back in jail.

Gator

I agree Gator. I think they're making a bigger deal out of this then they should be. I just hope they can focus on the purpose of this memorial and forget everyone else.

[javahog]

Kind of annoys me when they keep talking about the protestors possibly disrupting the service. I don't think that will happen. Those protestors were at the house ONLY when the Liar was there. They were only at the house because they wanted the Liar back in jail.

Gator

Some of the moonbats are really riled up at the Anthonys. But you know your community better and their temperature. It might well be out of town moonbats.

[Gatordog]

Talk about damned with faint praise! I agree. Regardless of whatever I read into LP's motives, he was looking for Caylee. I've yet to be convinced that the Ants were.

Cindy looked every day in the front yard while she was posting caution tape and no tresspassing signs. George was looking for her on I4 and in Winter Park streets while he was driving around with that stupid billboard.

Gator

[Zingo]

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More *Breaking News* on the Puerto Rican Big Bird mafia ...

This dangerous band of murderous baby sitters apparently target young single mothers who like to party and lie to their parents. The con artists pose as nannies, meaning any unsuspecting parent needs to be aware. Their motive is anybody's guess. It is likely that many baby sitters are actually members of this nefarious mob. Suspicious activity include changing cell phone numbers frequently. They also appear to be "well off" and to live in apartments that charge more in rent than they could be reasonably expected to earn through babysitting one or two toddlers. They often are childless themselves. Another red flag is this baby sitting mafia's lack of a predictable "residence." They seem to randomly wander with your child all over the city, asking you to call them to arrange drop offs and pick ups. They supply food and have ample clothing for your children.

This baby sitting mafia poses a threat to the safety and well-being of promiscuous tot moms and adorable tots everywhere. It is clear that they especially desire to frame innocent mothers for the demise of their children. After perpetrating their evil deeds, they "disappear" from the face of the earth, leaving innocent mothers to take the fall. In some cases, they are directly in cahoots with the media, corrupt law enforcement officials and ex-boyfriends.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

[lorettalockhorn]

While they're all distracted by bouncing people out of the memorial, could you go bury the baby decently? That might be asking a lot of you...

From your lips to God's ear.

Gator, you're awfully nice to even volunteer to go anywhere near what will be a three ring circus. Whatever you think is appropriate; you've done us proud so far!

Wow. I guess she's watching tv! He harshed on them a couple of times...

And rightfully so, IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

On NG - Did you hear Brad Conway say that "Caylee hadn't even made it to her third birthday". Oh, so he knows when she was killed? Does he believe LE's and the scientists when they say date of death is June 16th?

Gator

Ruh roh. Cindy'll give him a verbal beatdown for that.

[lorettalockhorn]

I dont blame u gator for not wanting to attend the memorial. And then i remembered C yelled at u so she would likely ban ya if she remembered ya. That would so not be worth putting yourself thru. If i lived down there i would not go either. I just dont like sharing air space with a known liar (C) Yes i still have alot of resentment toward her. Support your daughter but dont lie for her. Pond scum i tell ya. MOO

So that means Gator is on the outside looking in.................



























































with LP!!!!!!! http://i34.tinypic.com/dcroz.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/984v80.jpg

Seriously, don't you wonder after all this time what Cindy's problem with him is?

[SuzDuJour]

More *Breaking News* on the Puerto Rican Big Bird mafia ...

This dangerous band of murderous baby sitters apparently target young single mothers who like to party and lie to their parents. The con artists pose as nannies, meaning any unsuspecting parent needs to be aware. Their motive is anybody's guess. It is likely that many baby sitters are actually members of this nefarious mob. Suspicious activity include changing cell phone numbers frequently. They also appear to be "well off" and to live in apartments that charge more in rent than they could be reasonably expected to earn through babysitting one or two toddlers. They often are childless themselves. Another red flag is this baby sitting mafia's lack of a predictable "residence." They seem to randomly wander with your child all over the city, asking you to call them to arrange drop offs and pick ups. They supply food and have ample clothing for your children.

This baby sitting mafia poses a threat to the safety and well-being of promiscuous tot moms and adorable tots everywhere. It is clear that they especially desire to frame innocent mothers for the demise of their children. After perpetrating their evil deeds, they "disappear" from the face of the earth, leaving innocent mothers to take the fall. In some cases, they are directly in cahoots with the media, corrupt law enforcement officials and ex-boyfriends.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

But DON'T be afraid to call Jose Baez and his "Professional Team" at (407) 705-2626. will pay for pictures.

[Amy]

On Fox 35 this morning: It is not known whether or not the Liar will be permitted to watch the public memorial service on television. It seems she hasn't asked to view it. If she doesn't ask, they won't allow her that time. Hmm, hasn't asked to view it.

Gator

Mostly I hear the A's attorney (probably @ Cindy's behest) going on about Casey getting to go, getting to view, etc etc etc. Has Jose even mentioned this? He seems to be too busy whining about discrimination and Son of Sam deals to actually discuss the case, or Casey. Wonder if Cindy is the one who wants Casey there (or to view) because she thinks every mother should be able to attend/view her daughter's funeral. Or, if she thinks CASEY might be wanting this. Or, if she thinks--you HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!!!!

It seems, when Conway was telling any reporter that would stop him in the street about wanting to have Casey and the A's have a private, in person memorial @ the jail, and making it sound like there has been petitions for it to happen---Orange County says, there had been NO REQUEST for this. So, the spin goes on for days about letting her watch via video, and again,--NO REQUEST has been made--so why make it sound like OCSO is the big bad wolf in this?

Sounds like it's all one-sided on Cindy's part, and Casey really doesn't give a pig's patoot about going, meeting, viewing--ANYTHING to do with laying her baby to rest. IMO

[One2Snoop]

Just watching the re-cap of NG - http://i40.tinypic.com/xqgzmv.gif Unforkinbelievable! Jose is comparing Casey's notoriety to Osama Bin Laden. LMAO. http://i39.tinypic.com/jjr5du.jpg
I'd fire him on the spot. JMO.

[Amy]

LE said that they tracked that and the little girl actually looked nothing like Caylee. If you watch the video's of Orange County LE's interview with Cindy he talks about that very incident towards the end of the interview.

The lady breeds and/or shows dogs of some kind (I am sure, mostly a particular breed.) Anyway, on her website (and I don't have that anymore, can't remember what board I got it from) she tells what happened @ the airport. Now, I can see someone asking a little girl several times what her name is, BUT, for the person who seemed to be with this little girl to come up to a complete stranger and REPEAT THE NAME FOR HER, is just stupid. I mean, to say someone would do that is stupid. ESPECIALLY if you are a freakin' kidnapper, the minute you see your kidnappee talking with a stranger, you walk over and say, come along, dear, we have a plane to catch!!!! And, get the heck out of Dodge.

[One2Snoop]

Hi Snoop, I'm watching again too. Notice one of the defense atty's (dark hair) says they are sticking with the Zani story, whether it this Zani or That Zani :rolleyes:~ and........that they are stating they will PROVE her innocence. Okkkaaaaaay.

Well, that's their job, I guess......and really proving it is wayyyyyyyyy different than saying they will. I kinda like watching Baez spin his wheels.....makes him earn his money. ;)

Osama BL, Hitler, Mighty Mouse, Betty Boop, Rodney Dangerfield.whatever. LOL!

The smoking gun ~ decomp in the trunk of the car ~ deathband on a strand of Caylee's hair. Evidence found at the crime scene that came from the house.

Baez is living in La La land if he thinks the Zani did it defense is going to fly.
You see that man's head spinning in the washing machine to your right? Biass' picture should be there instead. JMO

[Amy]

Leonard Padilla was just on NG - said he's the only one on the hit list of who won't be allowed in - he thinks Lois (Dakota's grandma) will be added and Mark Klass. What did Klass do to offend Cindy? :shrug:

He was the first to call her daughter an odious person. Don't suppose that set to well with her, it being said on national tv and all. And, of course, there's that pesky little detail she demanded from everyone--to believe 1. that Caylee was still alive and 2. that the odious person, oh, excuse me, the her daughter had nothing to do w/Caylee's disappearance and 3. that one must believe in the nanny story. IIRC, Mark Klass failed in all areas.

[Native Alien]

As George says, Cindy has a problem with anyone that doesn't think or believe the way that she does. She has lost her granddaughter and now, as a mother, she is fighting for the life of her daughter.

While as a human being, I don't agree with what she is doing, as a mother, I do understand it to a certain point. But I also know that my daughters both know that I will not lie for them.

My youngest daughter has been asking about the things that are brought up in this case lately. Like she has asked me over the last two days, if as a single parent, the thought of killing either of them ever crossed my mind. I really had to think about it for a minute or two. They are both young adults now.

What I said to her was that as a young ( teenage) mother, I did have thoughts about what my life would have been like had I not had them, as in given them up for adoption or even aborted them both, but not once can I remember thinking about killing either of them.

[Native Alien]

It is sad-I hope there is a day she can squeeze a dime from the Liar somehow. I wish people would send there 50 or 100 to her instead of Liar's snack fund. GRRRR it's just so so wrong. :cuss:

Maybe someone should make mention of this to NG so she could put it in an plea to the public.

[lorettalockhorn]

It is sad-I hope there is a day she can squeeze a dime from the Liar somehow. I wish people would send there 50 or 100 to her instead of Liar's snack fund. GRRRR it's just so so wrong. :cuss:

I had an online chat with John Morgan's office earlier and asked if donations to Zenaida go to her directly, and the on-site operator said that she couldn't comment. I told her that I understand, but would like to know that ZFG has some control over the donations. Again, the "no comment" comment. When I added that I wish that people would contribute to Zenaida instead of CA's commissary fund I got no answer. Period. But that's okay because I do understand.

I can't stand that ZFG is in a shelter (the only one around here has strict guidelines for admission AND length of stay so she might be worse off than we imagine). I'll make a contribution with the thought that Zenaida has agreed that if they don't go directly to her, she is satisfied with how they are spent.

[lorettalockhorn]

As George says, Cindy has a problem with anyone that doesn't think or believe the way that she does. She has lost her granddaughter and now, as a mother, she is fighting for the life of her daughter.

While as a human being, I don't agree with what she is doing, as a mother, I do understand it to a certain point. But I also know that my daughters both know that I will not lie for them.

My youngest daughter has been asking about the things that are brought up in this case lately. Like she has asked me over the last two days, if as a single parent, the thought of killing either of them ever crossed my mind. I really had to think about it for a minute or two. They are both young adults now.

What I said to her was that as a young ( teenage) mother, I did have thoughts about what my life would have been like had I not had them, as in given them up for adoption or even aborted them both, but not once can I remember thinking about killing either of them.

I don't begrudge G&C or any parents for supporting a child through this crisis to the family; that's what Christian love is-unconditional. But the best thing that they can do for Caylee AND CASEY is to tell the truth. It's time for Casey to lie in her own bed. Face the music. Grow up. Be responsible. And G&C too. They need to be honest.

Leroy was hovering while I watched NG and finished supper and we talked a little about this case, and it came to me. If Caylee had been fatally ill with no hope of recovery I might, might, might be able to understand Casey having snuffed out her life. But to purposefully destroy such a joyful, empathetic, intelligent, precocious and healthy child who showed such promise is unfathomable. I've been "seeing red mad" at people in my lifetime and have hated them, but have never even imagined killing them.

[lighthousedazy]

No kidding-must be Cindy syndrome-its been so kind of Gator to do all those lovely gestures and be our eyes and ears. Movie was so.... bad. Shut it off and I watched NG. Like that Mike Brooks.I thought Mike Brooks did an excellent job too and he made his points known like the rest of the sane people in America. :D

[lorettalockhorn]

That was so kind of u Loretta to make an attempt. So if i am understanding u correctly u are making a direct donation to the shelter she is in? if thats the case message me where to send it to. Count me in. And yes i think we should start some public acknowledgment for this poor woman and her children. I will start sending emails to the shows covering the story. Good gawd if the woman who just had now a total of 14 kids gets offers surely to god poor Zaneida can get some help. You dont see her peddaling her story to anyone who will listen. That lady has alot of self respect. Anybody else have any other ideas as to how we can help this woman and her children. It makes me nuts that Liar is noshing on snacks that Zaneida cant even buy for her children. Somebody need to step up to the plate and give that woman a decent job so she can provide for her children. Yes we all need to do this. One more good thing that can come from a bad thing. Good for you Loretta :rose:

beem, there is a link on John Morgan's site to make a donation. Lemme get it.

Morgan's site:

http://www.forthepeople.com/



ETA: It looks like you have to click on the ZFG story and then click on the donations link.

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought Mike Brooks did an excellent job too and he made his points known like the rest of the sane people in America. :D

LOVE him! Nancy should take a round the world cruise, and Mike can sub for her!

[javahog]

Just watching the re-cap of NG - http://i40.tinypic.com/xqgzmv.gif Unforkinbelievable! Jose is comparing Casey's notoriety to Osama Bin Laden. LMAO. http://i39.tinypic.com/jjr5du.jpg
I'd fire him on the spot. JMO.

i'm finally speechless. what was the context of the comparison?

[crowamongdoves]

JUst a thought and if it is at all possible to send it to the shelter and maybe they would get it to Zenaida. My cousin had to stay in one before when she was getting away from an abusive boyfriend and her dad that lived in another province sent money to the shelter and they gave it to her.

[crowamongdoves]

LOVE him! Nancy should take a round the world cruise, and Mike can sub for her!

ITA I watch NG because here in the great white north it's the only way I can watch what's happening, but there are times NG makes me so mad I have to switch the channel. I like Mike and it seems the guests are more at ease when he is on.

[lorettalockhorn]

Crow, I'd love to give it to her directly, but don't you imagine the shelter is undisclosed?

[javahog]

Okay, it doesn't matter what the context is. Mentioning your client in the same breath as UBL is making a subconscious correlation for everybody who hears it. Everywhere. I am absolutely boggled. The next step would be mentioning Hitler in Florida.

Oh great, wait, is he trying to bring up anti-Jewish people so he can say, hey judge, there's no jury because I contaminated the entire pool?!

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, it doesn't matter what the context is. Mentioning your client in the same breath as UBL is making a subconscious correlation for everybody who hears it. Everywhere. I am absolutely boggled. The next step would be mentioning Hitler in Florida.

Oh great, wait, is he trying to bring up anti-Jewish people so he can say, hey judge, there's no jury because I contaminated the entire pool?!

I didn't watch The Today Show, but apparently LKB compared Baez to Hitler. :rolleyes: I'm losing all respect for her. They both need to shutttttttteeeeeee and get on with the depositions instead of contaminating/manipulating the jury pool. Fidiots.

[lighthousedazy]

More *Breaking News* on the Puerto Rican Big Bird mafia ...

This dangerous band of murderous baby sitters apparently target young single mothers who like to party and lie to their parents. The con artists pose as nannies, meaning any unsuspecting parent needs to be aware. Their motive is anybody's guess. It is likely that many baby sitters are actually members of this nefarious mob. Suspicious activity include changing cell phone numbers frequently. They also appear to be "well off" and to live in apartments that charge more in rent than they could be reasonably expected to earn through babysitting one or two toddlers. They often are childless themselves. Another red flag is this baby sitting mafia's lack of a predictable "residence." They seem to randomly wander with your child all over the city, asking you to call them to arrange drop offs and pick ups. They supply food and have ample clothing for your children.

This baby sitting mafia poses a threat to the safety and well-being of promiscuous tot moms and adorable tots everywhere. It is clear that they especially desire to frame innocent mothers for the demise of their children. After perpetrating their evil deeds, they "disappear" from the face of the earth, leaving innocent mothers to take the fall. In some cases, they are directly in cahoots with the media, corrupt law enforcement officials and ex-boyfriends.

Be afraid, be very afraid.Excellent post. Hopefully LKBaden and Baez Buffoon are reading them. :)

[crowamongdoves]

Crow, I'd love to give it to her directly, but don't you imagine the shelter is undisclosed?

Yeah you're probably right, I want to help to but I was hoping it could go directly to ZG for her and the kids to hopefully help them raise the money to get a place. I don't know how things are run there but here my cousin could only stay for 6 weeks. I'd rather my donation go to that than attorney fees if at all possible.

[crowamongdoves]

Aye to my fellow canuck. It sounds from Loretta's post that monies would not go directly to her. Must work different down there. Maybe we could get the TH's to get the word out if we all ply them with emails. All the shows that have ran this story. I would like to see a bank acct. set up in her name for donations then the monies would directly benefit her and her children. So what if we all start hounding them all with emails? Like everyday till we see it addressed? Maybe somebody down there would even step up and give the poor woman a decent job. I admire this woman as she is staying out of the picture-just asking for her good name back. I did see her on a couple of interviews way back when and that was it. Maybe this is a good time since the civil trial is coming up and she will remind the public again of what the Liar has done to her life and that of her children's. I wonder if C ever even thinks about that. I doubt it. MOO

Aye Beem If you let me know where to send the emails I'll do that it sounds like a plan, you are right about that Liar she has hurt so many people and she doesn't give a rat's patooti about it either.

[crowamongdoves]

I didn't see the Today show but caught parts on NG I think Bozo compared liar as being as hated as osama bin laden and hitler, if I understood that correctly I was on the phone as well, maybe loretta or someone saw it and can fill us in. TIA

[lighthousedazy]

Yes what were the comparisons made today? I missed the one on NG tonight although i did watch. Had a phone call and missed it. Did not see the today show either. Where the hay are they going with all this. They must have looked like bafoon's??Hi Beem, I'm glad I sleep past those morning shows now. I am obsessed with this case too, but I do not want to get up and see the baffoons make such an azz of themselves either. :cuss: Justice for Caylee. :rose:

[lighthousedazy]

I didn't see the Today show but caught parts on NG I think Bozo compared liar as being as hated as osama bin laden and hitler, if I understood that correctly I was on the phone as well, maybe loretta or someone saw it and can fill us in. TIAAnd rightfully so. These 2 men are some of the most evil of all time Jose Buffoon. :cuss:

[crowamongdoves]

I just wish the Ant's would want justice for Caylee and not freedom for Casey!

[Native Alien]

I was just bumbling around this morning online and came across this one.

http://www.leonardpadilla.net/news

Leonard also continues to work on the Anthony case and devotes time in his daily schedule for investigating suspicious information and events in the matter. Leonard has developed an unfortunate lead in the case and is currently working to verify the truth of witness statements made in the media.

Any ideas what lead he is working on?

I know that he talked about ZFG being in a woman's shelter and her plight on NG last evening. I also saw where he said that he is the only one on the can not attend list for Caylee's Memorial Service.

[Kendu]

Why does NG keep calling the black woman (Natisha Lance) her producer when in fact she's just a reporter? Is she that uninformed or just a liar?
I would to see George or Lee slap that cowboy hat off of LP's head

[Native Alien]

Why does NG keep calling the black woman (Natisha Lance) her producer when in fact she's just a reporter? Is she that uninformed or just a liar?
I would to see George or Lee slap that cowboy hat off of LP's head

Actually Natisha Lance is a producer, she is a field producer for the NG Show.

I normally wouldn't do this but I think I would like to ask you Kendu, if you ever have anything good to say about anyone? Because I went back and check the posts that you have made and I can honestly tell you, I think that you are a troll, at the very least.

[eatcupcakes]

That's because we are smarter than everyone else! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char145.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) ;)

Cupcakes, I only hope that you are taking a break and not leaving. I am one of those people who likes to discuss everything. I see a meaning in everything. While you may think it's wise to only discuss the actual murder, I like to reason why things happened and what people were thinking and does a choice of a jacket have relevance. Now someone suggested that the jacket may belong to the "stink" pants. If that's so, don't you see some hidden meaning in Cindy's choice of that jacket?

Sometimes we just like to add a little humor to a sad situation and the pants provided that humor.

See you around soon I hope. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator
Hi Gator, I'm bacl the little break did me good. I went to see a really cute movie yesterday, New In Town, with Renee Z and that hunk Harry Conick, Jr. It was uplifting and funny that is what I needed. Murder is heavy stuff espically when it's of a little innocent child.

What I don't understand why she only talks about this case. She could give 15 minutes of each show to this case and then go on to all the other missing children. Their is a little black boy missing in Fl, she could be giving more time to that or Stacy Peterson, putting some pressure on Drew. She is going to Bombshell herself right off the air. JVM is a better show in my opinion, more diverse.

[deputydi]

I didn't see the Today show but caught parts on NG I think Bozo compared liar as being as hated as osama bin laden and hitler, if I understood that correctly I was on the phone as well, maybe loretta or someone saw it and can fill us in. TIA

I didn't hear the Hitler reference, but I did hear him compare Casey to Bin Laden and The Fugitive.

[deputydi]

Why does NG keep calling the black woman (Natisha Lance) her producer when in fact she's just a reporter? Is she that uninformed or just a liar?
I would to see George or Lee slap that cowboy hat off of LP's head
I think you're the one who's not terribly informed. Brush up on your facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Will I get banned for this?

[deputydi]

I was just bumbling around this morning online and came across this one.

http://www.leonardpadilla.net/news

Leonard also continues to work on the Anthony case and devotes time in his daily schedule for investigating suspicious information and events in the matter. Leonard has developed an unfortunate lead in the case and is currently working to verify the truth of witness statements made in the media.

Any ideas what lead he is working on?

I know that he talked about ZFG being in a woman's shelter and her plight on NG last evening. I also saw where he said that he is the only one on the can not attend list for Caylee's Memorial Service.
Interesting. I wonder what is meant by "unfortunate lead".

LP does get on my nerves because he is so full of himself but ---- he has put a lot of his heart into this case and should not be banned from the PUBLIC memorial service.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was just bumbling around this morning online and came across this one.

http://www.leonardpadilla.net/news

Leonard also continues to work on the Anthony case and devotes time in his daily schedule for investigating suspicious information and events in the matter. Leonard has developed an unfortunate lead in the case and is currently working to verify the truth of witness statements made in the media.

Any ideas what lead he is working on?

I know that he talked about ZFG being in a woman's shelter and her plight on NG last evening. I also saw where he said that he is the only one on the can not attend list for Caylee's Memorial Service.

An unfortunate lead? I would think that any new lead would be fortunate. Unfortunate seems like an awkward modifier. :shrug:

[Zingo]

OK, say Casey fires Jose, and hires me as her defense attorney (yah, I know, but ...)

I have to challenge strong state evidence on several fronts. Please help me decide which course to pursue. Ha!

DEAD BODY IN TRUNK

1. No dead body in trunk.I must reasonably argue that there was not actually a dead body in my client's trunk as alleged by the state. I can do this by directly challenging the cadaver dog and Body Farm forensic evidence, the hair with signs of decomp, and the half dozen witnesses who noticed the "smell of death." I plant seeds of doubt by bringing up the presence of pizza, ham, cheese, dead squirrels, and maggots, and finding experts who will contend that in the heat of a Florida summer a ham & cheese sandwich can resemble the "smell of death."

OR

2. Someone else put it there.I must reasonably explain that someone else put a dead body in my client's trunk, by showing evidence that my client's friends, and baby sitter had access to the car. I must show that at the time Caylee went missing, my client was not in sole possession of her car, during the key time frame the state believes Caylee was in the car.

Which would you choose?

NO ZANNY THE NANNY

1. She's out there somewhere. I must overcome overwhelming evidence that suggests there is no baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzales by arguing that the woman who watched my client's child possibly was using an alias. I plant seeds of doubt by alleging that ZFG may have been involved with unsavory people and activities, and was not using her real name. I admit that my client showed poor judgment in trusting this nanny, but stick with the story that someone using the name "ZFG" took my client's child. I admit that my client made up the story about Jeffrey Hopkins using the same nanny because she was embarrassed for trusting an untrustworthy babysitter.

2. My client made her up. I admit that ZFG does not exist and argue that my client was afraid to admit what really happened to her daughter. She was in shock when Caylee was "taken" and because of the threats against her life, and her family member's lives, she invented the story of ZFG. I suggest that my client was involved with drugs and unsavory people whom she trusted to watch her daughter while she was high. In truth, she does not know who exactly took Caylee. She was high at Jay Blanchard park for a drug deal and Caylee disappeared. Afterward, she was too embarrassed to tell the truth. She tried to reach out to her parents, but couldn't get through. She owed money to the people who took Caylee. She tried to pay them off by giving them her car. And they wound up killing her daughter.

OR 2A. My client made her up to protect someone. I admit that Casey made up ZFG, but that she was doing it to protect a family member. I throw Lee or George under the bus in a desperate attempt to free my client.

So which strategies do I pursue?

[lorettalockhorn]

Why does NG keep calling the black woman (Natisha Lance) her producer when in fact she's just a reporter? Is she that uninformed or just a liar?
I would to see George or Lee slap that cowboy hat off of LP's head

Natisha lists her occupation as producer:

http://profiles.friendster.com/9919854

Makes sense to me if she's setting up her blurbs from the scene.

Aside: At the nancygracemustdie site, I read that NG has had numerous-more than ten- producers. Maybe it's the accusatory tone that she takes that make people leave the job.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think you're the one who's not terribly informed. Brush up on your facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Will I get banned for this?

Doubtful; you and ecc are still here after other personal attacks. :rolleyes:

[browneyes106]

Natisha lists her occupation as producer:

http://profiles.friendster.com/9919854

Makes sense to me if she's setting up her blurbs from the scene.

Aside: At the nancygracemustdie site, I read that NG has had numerous-more than ten- producers. Maybe it's the accusatory tone that she takes that make people leave the job.

Natisha has the talent to be a news reporter. To me it sort of seems that her and Nancy get along ok. I agree Nancy is probably a difficult person to be around. I think her show will probably end in a couple of years.

[crowamongdoves]

An unfortunate lead? I would think that any new lead would be fortunate. Unfortunate seems like an awkward modifier. :shrug:

When I first read that about unfortunate lead the first thing I thought that perhaps the lead might be in Casey's favour, that might be why he would describe it as unfortunate................just a thought:rolleyes:

[Amy]

Just saw a clip of Brad Conway blathering about photos of Caylee's memorial service being taboo (for the public;i.e. no cameras). Don't get me wrong, I can't imagine anyone outside of the media wanting to take a picture. & missed the gist, but doesn't it seem hypocritical somewhat IF it's true that Casey (through Baez) is planning to market Caylee's photos? Or is it her exclusive right since she is next of kin and owns Caylee's photos/images? Or is it proof that Caylee is her chattel in death.

I guess I just don't get it. WHAT are they going to take pictures of? The people who attend? Surely there won't be a casket--no MEMORIAL service I have ever attended had the person in the casket there--THAT is a FUNERAL service. So, pics of people who attend. Audio of whomever gets up and speaks about Caylee. Even if they showed any VIDEOS or PICS of Caylee--they would probably be the ones already out in the public.

Even IF there were to be a casket, Caylee's remains wouldn't be in it. Just a symbol. They surely wouldn't take the chance cuz you never know what nutcase might decide S/HE Caylee's remains are better of w/him/her, or for burial.

IMO, they should have just had a public memorial a week or two after Caylee was positively identified. Would have stopped about 3/4 of this 3 ring circus. They should just have their private funeral without day-by-day releases to the press. It would be a lot more private if they didn't announce it so every media outlet in the area (and some flown in from other areas) and every Tom, Dick and Harry wouldn't be camped out on the doorstep of whatever place they hold it.

[Native Alien]

When I first read that about unfortunate lead the first thing I thought that perhaps the lead might be in Casey's favour, that might be why he would describe it as unfortunate................just a thought:rolleyes:

My first thought was that someone else is involved, maybe after the fact. Or he has information as to the biological father of Caylee and it is someone in the family.

Then I thought maybe it is someone that is involved that he thought that he could trust.

[lorettalockhorn]

When I first read that about unfortunate lead the first thing I thought that perhaps the lead might be in Casey's favour, that might be why he would describe it as unfortunate................just a thought:rolleyes:

I'm sure with Lenny on the job, it'll soon be ironed out. (I wonder if LE takes him seriously. It's so hard to tell what's up with him. He seems to know things, or at least think he does. Then again, there's so much hot air there.)

People just want to know the truth.

[Amy]

So that means Gator is on the outside looking in.................



























































with LP!!!!!!! http://i34.tinypic.com/dcroz.jpg http://i33.tinypic.com/984v80.jpg

Seriously, don't you wonder after all this time what Cindy's problem with him is?

He had the audacity to confront her daughter the first night she was out on bail (which, if HE hadn't provided or had a hand in, she would have still been sitting in jail.) Then he REVOKED her bail, GASP!!! And then that terrible man started looking for a DEAD Caylee, when Cindy was still looking for and insisting everyone else look for a LIVE Caylee. Then, I suppose every put-down he made about Cindy and/or Casey on NG and while @ the lake, added another black mark to his name.

[lorettalockhorn]

He had the audacity to confront her daughter the first night she was out on bail (which, if HE hadn't provided or had a hand in, she would have still been sitting in jail.) Then he REVOKED her bail, GASP!!! And then that terrible man started looking for a DEAD Caylee, when Cindy was still looking for and insisting everyone else look for a LIVE Caylee. Then, I suppose every put-down he made about Cindy and/or Casey on NG and while @ the lake, added another black mark to his name.

Just to put myself in the Ants' shoes for a minute; I'd be pretty irate simply for the reason that he goes on NG and insists that Lee is Caylee's father. But you've got to admit that it's strange that as irascible as the whole lot of them are, they haven't sued LP for slander/libel.

[Amy]

I didn't watch The Today Show, but apparently LKB compared Baez to Hitler. :rolleyes: I'm losing all respect for her. They both need to shutttttttteeeeeee and get on with the depositions instead of contaminating/manipulating the jury pool. Fidiots.

Something's way over my head here. I just can't imagine ANYTHING about OBL or Hitler that would be a POSITIVE comparison. Now, if this was coming from the opposition (and even then, can't think why THEY would do this, either) that would be one thing. But for people on your OWN "team" to be doing this--for real, I think the defense team has dropped over the edge, they aren't making any sense, and aren't making any positive points about their client and her case.

[crowamongdoves]

Yeah LP certainly likes to stretch out what he wants to say on NG, Sometimes I wish she'd tell him to cut the crap and get to the facts.

[crowamongdoves]

Just to put myself in the Ants' shoes for a minute; I'd be pretty irate simply for the reason that he goes on NG and insists that Lee is Caylee's father. But you've got to admit that it's strange that as irascible as the whole lot of them are, they haven't sued LP for slander/libel.

OMG you are right about that you think they would if he's totally wrong about that.:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Something's way over my head here. I just can't imagine ANYTHING about OBL or Hitler that would be a POSITIVE comparison. Now, if this was coming from the opposition (and even then, can't think why THEY would do this, either) that would be one thing. But for people on your OWN "team" to be doing this--for real, I think the defense team has dropped over the edge, they aren't making any sense, and aren't making any positive points about their client and her case.

I know! OBL and Hitler are abhorred for good cause. The Osama comment is ridic if for no other reason than it compares the death of one child to the loss of thousands. There is simply no comparison or justification for either act. As for the Hitler comment; maybe the hidden meaning is that Baez is a racist.

[Amy]

Aye to my fellow canuck. It sounds from Loretta's post that monies would not go directly to her. Must work different down there. Maybe we could get the TH's to get the word out if we all ply them with emails. All the shows that have ran this story. I would like to see a bank acct. set up in her name for donations then the monies would directly benefit her and her children. So what if we all start hounding them all with emails? Like everyday till we see it addressed? Maybe somebody down there would even step up and give the poor woman a decent job. I admire this woman as she is staying out of the picture-just asking for her good name back. I did see her on a couple of interviews way back when and that was it. Maybe this is a good time since the civil trial is coming up and she will remind the public again of what the Liar has done to her life and that of her children's. I wonder if C ever even thinks about that. I doubt it. MOO

This is not a judgement on ZFG's lawsuit. This is ABOUT lawsuits. So, the lawsuit contends that, because Casey Anthony used the name ZFG for the kidnapping nanny, this ZFG, even tho she has NO connection to the case, lost her job, cannot get another job. Now, if she were to get job offers from employers sympathetic to her situation, that would negatively affect the outcome of the lawsuit. Because, she WOULD be employable. IMO, if even ONE person offered to hire her, she would not be able to take that job until the lawsuit is over. Because one of the emphasis of the lawsuit is that the result of her name being used, she cannot get a job.

[Amy]

Yeah you're probably right, I want to help to but I was hoping it could go directly to ZG for her and the kids to hopefully help them raise the money to get a place. I don't know how things are run there but here my cousin could only stay for 6 weeks. I'd rather my donation go to that than attorney fees if at all possible.

I tho't Mr Morgan was doing this pro bono?

[lorettalockhorn]

Amy, the comparison is that She is Hated like Hitler or OBL, and that is not fair, as she is innocent until proven guilty, and has been tried and considered guilty by the public because of media hype.

Too much Casey kool -aide I guess.

So if OBL is captured, is Casey's dream team going to defend him for war crimes? LMAO

[Amy]

I didn't see the Today show but caught parts on NG I think Bozo compared liar as being as hated as osama bin laden and hitler, if I understood that correctly I was on the phone as well, maybe loretta or someone saw it and can fill us in. TIA

Well, I guess what they have in common would be that they are hated for killing people? Still, seems they could come up with other comparisons. I don't think comparing her to these 2 would evoke any sympathy for her cause.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is not a judgement on ZFG's lawsuit. This is ABOUT lawsuits. So, the lawsuit contends that, because Casey Anthony used the name ZFG for the kidnapping nanny, this ZFG, even tho she has NO connection to the case, lost her job, cannot get another job. Now, if she were to get job offers from employers sympathetic to her situation, that would negatively affect the outcome of the lawsuit. Because, she WOULD be employable. IMO, if even ONE person offered to hire her, she would not be able to take that job until the lawsuit is over. Because one of the emphasis of the lawsuit is that the result of her name being used, she cannot get a job.

That makes sense about the present, but ZFG still suffered losses at the outset of the case because of CA's allegation.

I tho't Mr Morgan was doing this pro bono?

He may very well be. And I've read nothing but good things about him, so I have no reason to doubt that he is. I sent an email to his office inquiring about whether or not the donations go to Zenaida directly, but I don't expect an answer. Or the answer will be the same as what the online operator gave me-no comment on the case.

[Amy]

That makes sense about the present, but ZFG still suffered losses at the outset of the case because of CA's allegation.



He may very well be. And I've read nothing but good things about him, so I have no reason to doubt that he is. I sent an email to his office inquiring about whether or not the donations go to Zenaida directly, but I don't expect an answer. Or the answer will be the same as what the online operator gave me-no comment on the case.

Yes, she suffered losses @ the outset. But, if she were to become employed BECAUSE of the notoriety of the case, that is, people seeing her plight and offering her jobs because of the injustice of it all, that would negatively affect the lawsuit.

Thanks for confirming about Mr Morgan being pro bono--the poster didn't want her donations going to attorney fees.

[crowamongdoves]

I just fired off an email to the NG show asking if they can look into a way for concerned viewers to donate money to ZG. I also said that maybe then she could put those viewers names on her show not just the ones giving money to Liar.

[deputydi]

I know! OBL and Hitler are abhorred for good cause. The Osama comment is ridic if for no other reason than it compares the death of one child to the loss of thousands. There is simply no comparison or justification for either act. As for the Hitler comment; maybe the hidden meaning is that Baez is a racist.
I thought the same thing but was reluctant to say it because I didn't want to be slammed. There is no comparison between the 911 terrorist attacks and the murder of this child. Both were despicable acts for very different reasons.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just fired off an email to the NG show asking if they can look into a way for concerned viewers to donate money to ZG. I also said that maybe then she could put those viewers names on her show not just the ones giving money to Liar.

Personally I prefer for my donations to be anonymous. But I have wondered if people donate to the Casey Pork Rind Fund just to hear Nancy announce their names on air.

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought the same thing but was reluctant to say it because I didn't want to be slammed. There is no comparison between the 911 terrorist attacks and the murder of this child. Both were despicable acts for very different reasons.

ITA And to even try to make the comparison belittles both.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, she suffered losses @ the outset. But, if she were to become employed BECAUSE of the notoriety of the case, that is, people seeing her plight and offering her jobs because of the injustice of it all, that would negatively affect the lawsuit.

Thanks for confirming about Mr Morgan being pro bono--the poster didn't want her donations going to attorney fees.

Honestly don't know if Morgan and Mitnik are working for no fee. Maybe I can find that somewhere.

[One2Snoop]

Actually Natisha Lance is a producer, she is a field producer for the NG Show.

I normally wouldn't do this but I think I would like to ask you Kendu, if you ever have anything good to say about anyone? Because I went back and check the posts that you have made and I can honestly tell you, I think that you are a troll, at the very least.

:eek: :eek: Oh No! Not another one!

I think you're the one who's not terribly informed. Brush up on your facts before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

Will I get banned for this?

NO! :seeya:

[Justice Denied?]

Seems to me that this phone is always in her hand. It's probably attached to her body.

Not anymore! No cell phones in jail! Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Haaaaaa.

[One2Snoop]

OK, say Casey fires Jose, and hires me as her defense attorney (yah, I know, but ...)

I have to challenge strong state evidence on several fronts. Please help me decide which course to pursue. Ha!

DEAD BODY IN TRUNK

1. No dead body in trunk.I must reasonably argue that there was not actually a dead body in my client's trunk as alleged by the state. I can do this by directly challenging the cadaver dog and Body Farm forensic evidence, the hair with signs of decomp, and the half dozen witnesses who noticed the "smell of death." I plant seeds of doubt by bringing up the presence of pizza, ham, cheese, dead squirrels, and maggots, and finding experts who will contend that in the heat of a Florida summer a ham & cheese sandwich can resemble the "smell of death."

OR

2. Someone else put it there.I must reasonably explain that someone else put a dead body in my client's trunk, by showing evidence that my client's friends, and baby sitter had access to the car. I must show that at the time Caylee went missing, my client was not in sole possession of her car, during the key time frame the state believes Caylee was in the car.

Which would you choose?

NO ZANNY THE NANNY

1. She's out there somewhere. I must overcome overwhelming evidence that suggests there is no baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzales by arguing that the woman who watched my client's child possibly was using an alias. I plant seeds of doubt by alleging that ZFG may have been involved with unsavory people and activities, and was not using her real name. I admit that my client showed poor judgment in trusting this nanny, but stick with the story that someone using the name "ZFG" took my client's child. I admit that my client made up the story about Jeffrey Hopkins using the same nanny because she was embarrassed for trusting an untrustworthy babysitter.

2. My client made her up. I admit that ZFG does not exist and argue that my client was afraid to admit what really happened to her daughter. She was in shock when Caylee was "taken" and because of the threats against her life, and her family member's lives, she invented the story of ZFG. I suggest that my client was involved with drugs and unsavory people whom she trusted to watch her daughter while she was high. In truth, she does not know who exactly took Caylee. She was high at Jay Blanchard park for a drug deal and Caylee disappeared. Afterward, she was too embarrassed to tell the truth. She tried to reach out to her parents, but couldn't get through. She owed money to the people who took Caylee. She tried to pay them off by giving them her car. And they wound up killing her daughter.

OR 2A. My client made her up to protect someone. I admit that Casey made up ZFG, but that she was doing it to protect a family member. I throw Lee or George under the bus in a desperate attempt to free my client.

So which strategies do I pursue?

Dead Body #1 and No Zanny 2A. All I can say is good luck. :seeya: :tongue:

[Justice Denied?]

Au contraire, Amy. Jose is selling them for Casey.......she's Caylee's first of kin so to speak. Since the pictures and videos were mostly taken by Cindy (comeon, we know it) maybe those two will start in with each other about who has the rights, between themselves. Imagine? Now, if ZG wins, (in the verrrrrrrry distant future probably), whether she'll ever get to see any money from Casey is another story altogether. Check out my link on the prior page about Harry Rollins. It's on my Rant post LOL.

Jose and all will get paid...very well.

I wonder if there is any legal way that ZG's attorney can ask the court to place a "hold" on the money Casey would get for the pictures since they have a lawsuit pending where she would be owed a settlement?

I am not a nice person when it cmes to Casey, but the way I look at it is if she can't afford an attorney, she should have a public defender like every other indigent person accused of a crime. Either that, or her defense team shou;d be willing to work pro bono. JMO, of course.:cuss::flamemad:

[eatcupcakes]

OK, say Casey fires Jose, and hires me as her defense attorney (yah, I know, but ...)

I have to challenge strong state evidence on several fronts. Please help me decide which course to pursue. Ha!

DEAD BODY IN TRUNK

1. No dead body in trunk.I must reasonably argue that there was not actually a dead body in my client's trunk as alleged by the state. I can do this by directly challenging the cadaver dog and Body Farm forensic evidence, the hair with signs of decomp, and the half dozen witnesses who noticed the "smell of death." I plant seeds of doubt by bringing up the presence of pizza, ham, cheese, dead squirrels, and maggots, and finding experts who will contend that in the heat of a Florida summer a ham & cheese sandwich can resemble the "smell of death."

OR

2. Someone else put it there.I must reasonably explain that someone else put a dead body in my client's trunk, by showing evidence that my client's friends, and baby sitter had access to the car. I must show that at the time Caylee went missing, my client was not in sole possession of her car, during the key time frame the state believes Caylee was in the car.

Which would you choose?

NO ZANNY THE NANNY

1. She's out there somewhere. I must overcome overwhelming evidence that suggests there is no baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzales by arguing that the woman who watched my client's child possibly was using an alias. I plant seeds of doubt by alleging that ZFG may have been involved with unsavory people and activities, and was not using her real name. I admit that my client showed poor judgment in trusting this nanny, but stick with the story that someone using the name "ZFG" took my client's child. I admit that my client made up the story about Jeffrey Hopkins using the same nanny because she was embarrassed for trusting an untrustworthy babysitter.

2. My client made her up. I admit that ZFG does not exist and argue that my client was afraid to admit what really happened to her daughter. She was in shock when Caylee was "taken" and because of the threats against her life, and her family member's lives, she invented the story of ZFG. I suggest that my client was involved with drugs and unsavory people whom she trusted to watch her daughter while she was high. In truth, she does not know who exactly took Caylee. She was high at Jay Blanchard park for a drug deal and Caylee disappeared. Afterward, she was too embarrassed to tell the truth. She tried to reach out to her parents, but couldn't get through. She owed money to the people who took Caylee. She tried to pay them off by giving them her car. And they wound up killing her daughter.

OR 2A. My client made her up to protect someone. I admit that Casey made up ZFG, but that she was doing it to protect a family member. I throw Lee or George under the bus in a desperate attempt to free my client.

So which strategies do I pursue?


Personally I think KC and Baez are dispicable enough to use 2A. But none of the above will work. They might as well say Caylee was taken by Alliens, KC was high in the Park at night and she saw then come and take Caylee and there was nothing she could do. She was sure no one would believe her because she has a history of lying so she made up the ZFG story thinking that was more believeable. Now this story I am sure the jury will buy, don't you. LOL

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, she suffered losses @ the outset. But, if she were to become employed BECAUSE of the notoriety of the case, that is, people seeing her plight and offering her jobs because of the injustice of it all, that would negatively affect the lawsuit.

Thanks for confirming about Mr Morgan being pro bono--the poster didn't want her donations going to attorney fees.

Not finding a statement on any of the news sites by Morgan that his firm is working pro bono, but I do see discussion about it on other boards and in blogs, so we must have gotten that idea somewhere.

I think your point is well taken about it being detrimental to the progress of the suit for Zenaida to take a job, but considering her claim of threats and hate mail and the fact that her children have been ostracized, I don't blame her for laying low for now.

[Justice Denied?]

You've got to be kidding me! :eek:

They're comparing Casey to a fictional TV character? Well, they've got one thing right: there is a lot of fiction in this story. But it's all been coming out of the mouth of their client!

These slime bag attention-seeking attorneys want to turn Casey into a victim, which is what she has wanted/needed to be all along. But, if she's so innocent, then why the need to lie? Just tell us where ZFG really lived, Casey. Tell us why you needed a babysitter when you didn't work. Tell us why you lied to everyone in your life and never told them Caylee was "missing." Tell us why you led cops on a wild goose chase. Tell us how you think decomp wound up in your trunk. Tell us how you think Caylee's body wound up less than a half a mile from your house.

Tell us, Casey. Tell us all about the conspiracy to frame you, and make it look like your nanny never existed. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for all of this. I mean, it could easily be the Puerto Rican big bird mafia, right? They sent one of their best cons from New York to Orlando to befriend you, win your trust, and become your babysitter. She pretended to have a mother named Gloria, who was actually fronting for a senior citizen prostitution ring. ZFG pretended to live at Sawgrass apartments, and even bribed Jeffrey Hopkins to pretend to have a son named Zachary, whom she pretended to watch. Meanwhile, "Juliette Lewis" befriends Casey, and pretends to work at Universal. The mafia bribes Universal to deny knowledge of Juliette's fictional employoment, and indeed, of Casey's actual employment.

When the con went down, ZFG took Caylee, and told Casey that she would kill her entire family if she did anything other than steal, drink and get tattoos. Casey dutifully complied. Inside she was torn in two. If she stopped "clubbing" and taking money from friends and family, those very friends and family would be subject to death or worse, at the hands of the bird mafia. She walked a tight rope -- lying to her family to protect them -- only to be double-crossed, in the end, when the mafia decide to kill Caylee anyway, and frame her for the murder. The mafia even bribed the cell phone companies to alter phone records to make it look like Casey was lying about everything. SIM cards were altered. Cell tower pings forged.

Now framed for the murder of her daughter, Casey cannot even prove that her nanny existed. It's like a twisted version of that movie Net. ZFG, and her entire band of seamy conspirators, have erased their identities from off the face of the earth, leaving Casey holding the bag for their crimes.

How's a girl to defend herself, but to sell pictures of her dead daughter and send her attorneys onto morning TV?

Now that's a movie script, huh?

p.s. When I first saw the title of the article, I thought it was going to be about the episode of One Tree Hill with the nanny kidnapping story line. Casey an innocent fugitive? Yah, right.

Excellent writing! You need to get offf the computer and start your first novel or TV movie script. Onne thing about these stories, they are both fiction, although I believe the "Fugitive" program was based on a real story.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if there is any legal way that ZG's attorney can ask the court to place a "hold" on the money Casey would get for the pictures since they have a lawsuit pending where she would be owed a settlement?

I am not a nice person when it cmes to Casey, but the way I look at it is if she can't afford an attorney, she should have a public defender like every other indigent person accused of a crime. Either that, or her defense team shou;d be willing to work pro bono. JMO, of course.:cuss::flamemad:

I would think that the judge can order future earnings to be placed in escrow to pay damages if ZFG wins her suit.

[SaraSidle]

LOL Do we really, really have to worry about Casey getting heart disease OR brain cancer? Don't you have to have those organs?

thanks for making me smile on this case Loretta........sara

[SaraSidle]

How many times a night does the over dramatic JVM find things 'AMAZING or ASTOUNDING'
Some big-shot at HLN need's to pull the plug on this Reality Show. JVM and NG are really overdoing things. NG has been on this non stop for seven months. When there's nothing new they just rerun the same video's over and over. The video of Cindy sitting next to George and doing that thing with her finger on her mouth gives me the hee-bee jee-bees
My 12 year old grandaughter can say word for word NG opening statment that she repete's every night.
Why is LP on every night? does he have a contract with HLN? What does he contribute to this case other then gossip and BS?
If that 6 year old missing little boy Adji had blond hair and/or blue eyes you could bet he would get more then the 4 minutes he got last night or the 45 seconds tuesday.
This case show's American media at it's worst.
Before one of you say "just change the channel" you cant tell a crack head to put the pipe down

I so agree with you. sara

[Justice Denied?]

I think it's really sad that LP is not wanted there. They should be able to bury the hatchett already. I'm sorry she felt LP was a problem to her because he did not believe her Casey... He did not start making comments about CINDY until she tried tearing him apart.
The man gave help to find her grandaughter.......he did more than her own family did. He only wants to pay his respects.

Iwish iwish iwish we were able to make the memorial together ~ the bunch of us here. We could invite ourselves to gators house and stay with Pee Pee and kiwi and gator! Yeah, that the ticket! At night we can make a fire and drink haterade together before we went home We'll even cook together. I know a bunch of folks did just that on the CTV/Laci thread. (Unfortunatey, I couldn't make it.)

It's a nice thought, dontchathink? :)

Beautiful! You have a big heart!:rose::rose::rose:

[SaraSidle]

Excellent writing! You need to get offf the computer and start your first novel or TV movie script. Onne thing about these stories, they are both fiction, although I believe the "Fugitive" program was based on a real story.

somebody is going to make some money on this IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

OK, say Casey fires Jose, and hires me as her defense attorney (yah, I know, but ...)

I have to challenge strong state evidence on several fronts. Please help me decide which course to pursue. Ha!

DEAD BODY IN TRUNK

2. Someone else put it there.I must reasonably explain that someone else put a dead body in my client's trunk, by showing evidence that my client's friends, and baby sitter had access to the car. I must show that at the time Caylee went missing, my client was not in sole possession of her car, during the key time frame the state believes Caylee was in the car.

Which would you choose?

NO ZANNY THE NANNY

1. She's out there somewhere. I must overcome overwhelming evidence that suggests there is no baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzales by arguing that the woman who watched my client's child possibly was using an alias. I plant seeds of doubt by alleging that ZFG may have been involved with unsavory people and activities, and was not using her real name. I admit that my client showed poor judgment in trusting this nanny, but stick with the story that someone using the name "ZFG" took my client's child. I admit that my client made up the story about Jeffrey Hopkins using the same nanny because she was embarrassed for trusting an untrustworthy babysitter.

So which strategies do I pursue?

Love your ideas!

Since Baez has already started the ball rolling on #2, you may as well stick with it. The Death Car reeked too much for Casey to drive it? fuhgeddaboudit! Her friends were no doubt crunk low life bong smoking baby brokers unbeknownst to her. As soon as she parked the car, they took over wearing construction masks and breathers to combat the odor.

Of course ZFG is an alias. The woman's real name is Jane Doe, but she knew Casey wouldn't fall for that, so she stole Zenaida's identity long ago. Being well-to-do with no job other than working for the baby brokers to lure unsuspecting mothers, she has no better way to spend her time than sneaking in and out of The Anthony home, using their computer, stealing items, and laughing maniacally as she develops a script for Casey to follow for thirty days after the kidnapping.

All kidding aside, Casey knew when she abandoned that car (and probably hoped that it would be stolen) that it would take some of the heat off of her. BUT having it out of her possession for all those days may create the doubt that is needed.

The most that CA's attorney can admit is naivete, and there is no need to admit to any drug use unless it can be proven by the prosecution. Any admissions place responsibility back in her lap.

[Justice Denied?]

Uggh. I just realized (late, I know) that since NG has so many images and movies of Caylee that were sold for licensing fees, she's one of the people paying for Jose Baez.

That's why it's so hypocrytical. NG knows all those baby pictures of Caylee that no one else has didn't come to HLN on a free basis. But she will rant and rave about Casey selling pictures.