Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

They are saying on NG that Lee may refuse to answer questions. Not sure if he can legally. Can't take the fifth unless its SELF incrimination, so who knows. Would that get a contempt of court charge?

It makes zero sense for Lee to take the fifth. Unless he's worried about whatever it was that he unwittingly did that may or may not but probably could possibly lead to him being charged. :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

Hey, I'm on the record as stating that all Lee has to do is swear the oath, and when asked questions that he doesn't know or have an answer to, is say "I don't know".

Perhaps they want to question Lee on all his investigative work he did trying to find the nanny.

Note to Lee: We'll know if you're lying...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char048.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[javahog]

:eek:

oh, did you like that one, lol! the story broke March 10, he resigned March 17, and his hottie hooker was all over the airwaves. I bet I am going to find a Bella Vita connection! there's a source for that tattoo!

[lorettalockhorn]

oh, did you like that one, lol! the story broke March 10, he resigned March 17, and his hottie hooker was all over the airwaves. I bet I am going to find a Bella Vita connection! there's a source for that tattoo!

LOL heck no, I didn't miss it; I watch CNBC from about 5am until 4pm every day and they were all over it. Just hadn't thought about Casey being his go to skank. LMAO No wonder he gave her a number!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hottie? I don't think so!

[Gatordog]

just doing some research. LE documents of the cell phone. See Cindy's text msg

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811291/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-011

[Justice Denied?]

Johnny Cochran said give me one African American and I'll have a hung jury.

Gator

So what does Bozo need, one white, non-working party girl?

[STLcardfan]

I so wish we had the Annie Downing/Dowling interview that was done by LE. I think that could help with the whole Zanni thing.

Anyway, I just read all three pages of that thread and it would seem that the troll spray is definitely needed.


ok I give please someone point me to this thread you speak of

[javahog]

just doing some research. LE documents of the cell phone. See Cindy's text msg

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811291/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-011

Cindy was freaking...and all over the map from topic to topic. And real concerned about job security.

Did you also see in the first one, the "battle of the bands" one, one of the employees mentioned is "Juliet"? Seems like someone long had a well stocked fantasy friend life. Its really amazing how detailed it is.

[Gatordog]

More telephone docs = call details and numbers on the Liar's memory. One is named "Special K". I think that's the street name for a veterinary drug which is stolen and then used for knocking people out!!!!! A date rape drug.

Gator

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810990/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-006

[Justice Denied?]

just doing some research. LE documents of the cell phone. See Cindy's text msg

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811291/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-011

Casey is one diabolical woman. that letter from work sounds so authentic it's eerie.

Sure would like to know what Cindy was referring to when she said George didn't come home between times. Had Casey asked her if someone had been there? Is she trying to set it up that someone had been in the house? Or had Cindy found things disturbed while Casey was at work and asked her about it? After all, Casey was supposed to be out of town with Jeff. And that doesn't jive with her bonding with Caylee.

[javahog]

Casey is one diabolical woman. that letter from work sounds so authentic it's eerie.

Sure would like to know what Cindy was referring to when she said George didn't come home between times. Had Casey asked her if someone had been there? Is she trying to set it up that someone had been in the house? Or had Cindy found things disturbed while Casey was at work and asked her about it? After all, Casey was supposed to be out of town with Jeff. And that doesn't jive with her bonding with Caylee.

I think idea #2: she doesn't know who to believe. Someone was in the house. George said it wasn't him. Clearly, imo, Casey was in the house and said of course she wasn't. What's really sad is that Cindy doesn't know who to believe. Even back then I would have gone for George in a HB. I mean, carp, this has to be after the theft right?

[mu8shark]

ok I give please someone point me to this thread you speak of
Don't do it, don't go over there. LOL I am just kidding . I saw you already did. It is nice over here isn't it??

[javahog]

Don't do it, don't go over there. LOL I am just kidding . I saw you already did. It is nice over here isn't it??

depends on what your looking for, Mu!

[STLcardfan]

Don't do it, don't go over there. LOL I am just kidding . I saw you already did. It is nice over here isn't it??


yes but sometimes I get bored and enjoy a good debate with bipolar crazys that fall in love with killers LMAO it seems to be one sided since my post are not answered. Maybe he can't read which is clear from his misinformed garbage he is posting.
:D

[One2Snoop]

Don't do it, don't go over there. LOL I am just kidding . I saw you already did. It is nice over here isn't it??

LOL - http://i44.tinypic.com/292b15e.gif

http://i41.tinypic.com/11h8g2u.jpg

[mu8shark]

More telephone docs = call details and numbers on the Liar's memory. One is named "Special K". I think that's the street name for a veterinary drug which is stolen and then used for knocking people out!!!!! A date rape drug.

Gator

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810990/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-006 I used to work for a vet and that is the street lingo for Ketamine, yes and dopers love that.

[mu8shark]

yes but sometimes I get bored and enjoy a good debate with bipolar crazys that fall in love with killers LMAO it seems to be one sided since my post are not answered. Maybe he can't read which is clear from his misinformed garbage he is posting.
:D I know it is like watching a car wreck. LOL. You can't really seriously argue with someone who is not sure those are not the bones of poor little Caylee, I mean right? I got kind of facetious over there but my alien theory was just as full of merit as his. LOL.

[mu8shark]

I think idea #2: she doesn't know who to believe. Someone was in the house. George said it wasn't him. Clearly, imo, Casey was in the house and said of course she wasn't. What's really sad is that Cindy doesn't know who to believe. Even back then I would have gone for George in a HB. I mean, carp, this has to be after the theft right? I wondered myself if maybe Cindy wasn't one of those people who notices every little thing in her household and if something was missing or moved Cindy seems totally like the type to notice it ,doesn't she? It would kind of not surprise me if when Caylee turned up missing if Cindy did not notice the toy horse was gone and the blanket.

[javahog]

I know it is like watching a car wreck. LOL. You can't really seriously argue with someone who is not sure those are not the bones of poor little Caylee, I mean right? I got kind of facetious over there but my alien theory was just as full of merit as his. LOL.

I like how Nancy Grace has a very elevated status in his mythology. Should somebody warn her?

[javahog]

I wondered myself if maybe Cindy wasn't one of those people who notices every little thing in her household and if something was missing or moved Cindy seems totally like the type to notice it ,doesn't she? It would kind of not surprise me if when Caylee turned up missing if Cindy did not notice the toy horse was gone and the blanket.

Its true...I wonder if that's why the silence form that front...they know exactly what was missing and when it was missing. So they know there were no nanny shenanigans.

[STLcardfan]

I know it is like watching a car wreck. LOL. You can't really seriously argue with someone who is not sure those are not the bones of poor little Caylee, I mean right? I got kind of facetious over there but my alien theory was just as full of merit as his. LOL.

I agree but posters like that are entertainment for me since I have to work 12 hour shifts in front of this computer waiting for an alarm to go off. makes the time go by faster.

[mu8shark]

They are saying on NG that Lee may refuse to answer questions. Not sure if he can legally. Can't take the fifth unless its SELF incrimination, so who knows. Would that get a contempt of court charge? His lawyer was on JVM and said he would show up and answer questions. I don't know where Nancy is getting that anyone said he would refuse. Loretta is probably right most of the family except for George can say, "I don't know to some of the stuff." Although some of the questions like have you ever met the nanny it seems to me they would have to answer outright yes or no. Maybe they will fall back on I don't remember. I had an uncle who used to say in his older age, "I used to know but now I forgot." Wonder how that would fly in court depo?

[mu8shark]

I am sure C would know what was missing in light of the fact that they were most likely items she purchased herself. MOOExactly!!

[mu8shark]

I like how Nancy Grace has a very elevated status in his mythology. Should somebody warn her?Is Nancy in on the conspiracy over there? LOL. She might find that really annoying!

[Justice Denied?]

LOL - http://i44.tinypic.com/292b15e.gif

http://i41.tinypic.com/11h8g2u.jpg

You ALL need to remember if your neighbor is a psychopath, you don't borrow a cup of sugar.

[Justice Denied?]

I wondered myself if maybe Cindy wasn't one of those people who notices every little thing in her household and if something was missing or moved Cindy seems totally like the type to notice it ,doesn't she? It would kind of not surprise me if when Caylee turned up missing if Cindy did not notice the toy horse was gone and the blanket.

I think I know what kind of horses they are talking about. MY GGD got a set of "Little Ponies" for her birthday. They come in a set of 5 - pink, orchid, blue, yellow and green. Real popular with little girls that age.

[mu8shark]

I have a question for those of you who believe that George was lying when he said he last saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. If I am following right and none of the family said there was a fight at all and this is what they are trying to cover up as motive, then who told the story that Casey left that night in a huff? How could someone tell that story if they had a lovely evening? Do you get my drift? How would we know that Casey left the house at all that night? Maybe she never left. After all how could they say she stormed out after a fight they denied existed?Not being a smart aleck but Justice and I were discussing on the other thread , trying to put some logic on that damn thread LOL who said that Casey left in a huff that night? And it got me thinking.,someone in the family must have admitted the fight to admit that she left in a huff.

[mu8shark]

You ALL need to remember if your neighbor is a psychopath, you don't borrow a cup of sugar.Pomt well taken LOL

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a question for those of you who believe that George was lying when he said he last saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. If I am following right and none of the family said there was a fight at all and this is what they are trying to cover up as motive, then who told the story that Casey left that night in a huff? How could someone tell that story if they had a lovely evening? Do you get my drift? How would we know that Casey left the house at all that night? Maybe she never left. After all how could they say she stormed out after a fight they denied existed?Not being a smart aleck but Justice and I were discussing on the other thread , trying to put some logic on that damn thread LOL who said that Casey left in a huff that night? And it got me thinking.,someone in the family must have admitted the fight to admit that she left in a huff.

Good luck making sense over there! [Still think he's a plant (literally; a diffenbachia/dumbcane maybe, and poisonous, BTW) hired by Bozo to use a stage name and see what defense works.]

From what I can tell about The Big Fight and Choking Incident, Casey told Lee that it occurred and that she left with Caylee. That's been told for months, but within the past week or two I've heard it reported by the mainstream media. Lee wasn't there, so he isn't the source/can't be verified. George should have been at work, if memory serves, so that leaves Cindy or a neighbor(s). Surely a neighbor didn't witness the choking or would have called 911. So that leaves Cindy. Doesn't it?

(Prolly a dumb question!)

[javahog]

You ALL need to remember if your neighbor is a psychopath, you don't borrow a cup of sugar.

No, you should bake them a pie and have them over for tea, :) Psychopathia gets old fast, doesn't it?

[Zingo]

Well but she does not refer to Zani as Zenaida. Zani may have been her little nickname for the nanny and when she went to assign a real name to the nanny she gave her the full name Zenaida. That is my take.

I agree. Casey was trying to find a Z name. Diabolical, actually. But stupid.

My hair dresser is Hispanic (half Mexican, half El Salvadoran) Beautiful girl, incidentally. She confirmed to me that in Spanish there IS NO 'Z' sound. It's pronounced as an S. (Even Jose is not pronounced the same in Spanish. It's HO-SAY, not HO-ZAY as we pale faces say. )

So I don't give a flying flip if Casey was going around talking about Zani the Nanny. Zenaida is actually pronounced SUH-NYE-DAH. The Zani story doesn't fly in SO many ways. As people have mentioned before: Zani is not a plausible nickname for someone named Zenaida. I can see maybe Naida.

But this case is baffling because really we cannot conceive of a young woman so diabolical as to have planned and carried out the murder of her own daughter, coming up with a scheme to blame it all on a completely innocent bystander, even down to finding someone with a first name starting with Z.

[Lodi]

Good luck making sense over there! [Still think he's a plant (literally; a diffenbachia/dumbcane maybe, and poisonous, BTW) hired by Bozo to use a stage name and see what defense works.]

From what I can tell about The Big Fight and Choking Incident, Casey told Lee that it occurred and that she left with Caylee. That's been told for months, but within the past week or two I've heard it reported by the mainstream media. Lee wasn't there, so he isn't the source/can't be verified. George should have been at work, if memory serves, so that leaves Cindy or a neighbor(s). Surely a neighbor didn't witness the choking or would have called 911. So that leaves Cindy. Doesn't it?

(Prolly a dumb question!)

If the fight and choking incident took place, followed by Casey seldom being heard from and Caylee not being seen or heard from at all, the incident would have probably been a regular topic of discussion in the family. Anyone of them may have talked to bounty hunters, LE, or the media about it.

[One2Snoop]

If the fight and choking incident took place, followed by Casey seldom being heard from and Caylee not being seen or heard from at all, the incident would have probably been a regular topic of discussion in the family. Anyone of them may have talked to bounty hunters, LE, or the media about it.

This info did not come from the media, bounty hunters or LE but a direct quote from Lee. Lee also told Jesse Grund about the incident who in turn repeated it to the media.

[One2Snoop]

I agree. Casey was trying to find a Z name. Diabolical, actually. But stupid.

My hair dresser is Hispanic (half Mexican, half El Salvadoran) Beautiful girl, incidentally. She confirmed to me that in Spanish there IS NO 'Z' sound. It's pronounced as an S. (Even Jose is not pronounced the same in Spanish. It's HO-SAY, not HO-ZAY as we pale faces say. )

So I don't give a flying flip if Casey was going around talking about Zani the Nanny. Zenaida is actually pronounced SU-NYE-DAH. The Zani story doesn't fly in SO many ways. As people have mentioned before: Zani is not a plausible nickname for someone named Zenaida. I can see maybe Naida.

But this case is baffling because really we cannot conceive of young woman so diabolical as to have planned and carried out the murder of her own daughter, coming up with a scheme to blame it all on a completely innocent bystander, even down to finding someone with a first name starting with Z.

Good post Zingo ~ ITA! :beer::seeya:

[Lodi]

This info did not come from the media, bounty hunters or LE but a direct quote from Lee. Lee also told Jesse Grund about the incident who in turn repeated it to the media.

My thought was that all of the family didn't have to see it happen to know about it. Lee being a member of the family could have heard it from Casey, Cindy, or George and then told LE.

[Native Alien]

I agree. Casey was trying to find a Z name. Diabolical, actually. But stupid.

My hair dresser is Hispanic (half Mexican, half El Salvadoran) Beautiful girl, incidentally. She confirmed to me that in Spanish there IS NO 'Z' sound. It's pronounced as an S. (Even Jose is not pronounced the same in Spanish. It's HO-SAY, not HO-ZAY as we pale faces say. )

So I don't give a flying flip if Casey was going around talking about Zani the Nanny. Zenaida is actually pronounced SUH-NYE-DAH. The Zani story doesn't fly in SO many ways. As people have mentioned before: Zani is not a plausible nickname for someone named Zenaida. I can see maybe Naida.

But this case is baffling because really we cannot conceive of a young woman so diabolical as to have planned and carried out the murder of her own daughter, coming up with a scheme to blame it all on a completely innocent bystander, even down to finding someone with a first name starting with Z.

Like I said, Zani is the street name for Xanax. There were interviews about her giving Caylee medicine so Caylee would sleep while Casey partied. That I think is where the Annie Downing interview comes in.

As for the whole Zenaida, I agree with you on the nickname. I think that the woman that has the lawsuit against Casey is a just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Casey needed someone to blame and this woman just fell into her mind. Then she built on what she already knew about the woman, her name and that she had NY tags on the car.

[sharlock]

BTW: Can I just say that I LOVE this board!!! You guys are hillarious! I have seen some posts in the last few days that had me rolling on the floor. Seriously, whoever posted the crabs! Loved it!

I'll be honest. I got banned from the Websleuth "Caylee" board because I posted a poll on whether Casey and Jose were actually fooling around or just giving each other extra "hugs."

The "websleuths" take themselves VERY serious, and apparently I was too irreverant for their liking.

Casey's libido is probably vital to understanding this sad case, unfortunately.
Imissed your post earlier Zingo. Just wanted to welcome you, these guys here are awesome and you will fit right in I reckon:beer:!

[sharlock]

Gator TV puts 10 lbs on ya. She was heavier I agree though. You can tell by the way the jacket fit. It's pulling right under the collar. Bad fit. I wonder if Beaz brought it to her or one of the female lawyers. Cindy wouldn't send that. She'd have sent something much nicer. I'm sure Cindy is visiting George and he's most likely catatonic at this point. Heavily medicated. That's sadder then Casey needing clothes for her court appearances.

Remember OJ's and Scott P's clothes? GQ stuff. OJ's ties were worth thousands.
I thought that Cindy had only visited him once?

[Gatordog]

Oh man he is just not smoking he's bonging. I have a theory on who he might be-Todd Black or his brother Todd or his other brother Todd. :D

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char100.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Todd, Todd and Todd Black

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

And if the counter claim is dropped that is a tacit admission that there is no Zenaida-Jose hosed his client, methinks...

One problem for ZG may come from the texting between Lazzaro and Casey, she refers to Zani on May 6. Do we know of any way Casey could have crossed paths with this ZG that early? am i forgetting something?

You might not know that KC friend, can't remember her name, told LE that Zani is the nic for Xanax. I believe that the Liar was giving Caylee that drug to put her to sleep, hence calling it Zani the Nanny. She is dispictable.

[Gatordog]

It was reported on Fox 35 that no in-patient facility would take George due to his notariety. They siad their other patients would suffer. George is at home, but being treated on an out patient basis.

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

I thought that Cindy had only visited him once?


I don't know what show it was that I was watching but they said that Cindy gave the outfit the Liar wore in court to the Attorneys. THey may have help her pic it out. How many conservative clothes do you think she had, not many I would guess.

[Gatordog]

I have a question for those of you who believe that George was lying when he said he last saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. If I am following right and none of the family said there was a fight at all and this is what they are trying to cover up as motive, then who told the story that Casey left that night in a huff? How could someone tell that story if they had a lovely evening? Do you get my drift? How would we know that Casey left the house at all that night? Maybe she never left. After all how could they say she stormed out after a fight they denied existed?Not being a smart aleck but Justice and I were discussing on the other thread , trying to put some logic on that damn thread LOL who said that Casey left in a huff that night? And it got me thinking.,someone in the family must have admitted the fight to admit that she left in a huff.

Good Morning Shark. :seeya: Lee relayed the information to Jesse Grund about the fight and the grabbing of the neck, the next day. I don't know if it was by conversation or text message. I've been trying to find info on it. Makes me wonder if Lee was looking for his sister because she didn't come home JMO.

Gator

[Zingo]

Imissed your post earlier Zingo. Just wanted to welcome you, these guys here are awesome and you will fit right in I reckon:beer:!

Thanks Shar ! :beer:

I feel vindicated for posting that "fooling around" poll on WS. I heard on NG this week that the jail officials had to warn Jose about not "touching his client" (apparently he gave Casey two hugs and that is against the rules). If they are having to be separated in the jail, imagine what they might do in the privacy of his office for hours!!!

I wouldn't put anything past Casey. She's like that song by Hall & Oats: She's a Man-Eater. And Jose is not that bright. It's obvious she's not just another client to him. He seems to really have a thing for her -- whether he's just giving her extra hugs for comfort, or something more, he's obviously kinda sweet on her. She definitely knows how to "play men."

That being said, I guess board administrators have to be careful about posters writing something that might be construed as libelous. I'm grateful for the administrators here who seem to trust us to behave.

I think when a lawyer has been warned about "client touching" by the jail -- he's fair game for this kind of public speculation, don't you???

[Gatordog]

I agree. Casey was trying to find a Z name. Diabolical, actually. But stupid.

My hair dresser is Hispanic (half Mexican, half El Salvadoran) Beautiful girl, incidentally. She confirmed to me that in Spanish there IS NO 'Z' sound. It's pronounced as an S. (Even Jose is not pronounced the same in Spanish. It's HO-SAY, not HO-ZAY as we pale faces say. )

So I don't give a flying flip if Casey was going around talking about Zani the Nanny. Zenaida is actually pronounced SUH-NYE-DAH. The Zani story doesn't fly in SO many ways. As people have mentioned before: Zani is not a plausible nickname for someone named Zenaida. I can see maybe Naida.

But this case is baffling because really we cannot conceive of a young woman so diabolical as to have planned and carried out the murder of her own daughter, coming up with a scheme to blame it all on a completely innocent bystander, even down to finding someone with a first name starting with Z.

There are different dialects of Spanish by region. My mom is Puerto Rican and she has a Z in her name and it is pronounced as a Z. In Spain, a Z is pronounced as "TH". Azul is pronounced as athul. I have an Uncle from Spain. We are quite a diverse family. :)

Gator

[Zingo]

Like I said, Zani is the street name for Xanax. There were interviews about her giving Caylee medicine so Caylee would sleep while Casey partied. That I think is where the Annie Downing interview comes in.

As for the whole Zenaida, I agree with you on the nickname. I think that the woman that has the lawsuit against Casey is a just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Casey needed someone to blame and this woman just fell into her mind. Then she built on what she already knew about the woman, her name and that she had NY tags on the car.

Absolutely, Native!

I did a Google search on "Zanny" ... The first link that pops up is the Urban Dictionary defining "Zanny" as the street name for the anti-anxiety drug Xanax.

Upon doing some baby name research, I learned that the actual name Zanny is of Italian origin; it is the female derivative of the Italian male name Zan.

Apparently, they pronounce Zs in Italian !!!

[eatcupcakes]

I never liked him right from the first time I saw him. Something about him does not set right with me and I have very excellent intuition about people. I keep trying to figure it out. I get the feeling he is not trust worthy and I was really taken back when I found out all the time the Liar was spending in his office. We all know that is not the norm. But there is something else I just can put my finger one, but I will. Any of you feel the say way.:shrug:

[joekuhl79]

That's my take on it too. Zanny the Nanny sounded cute to her. Or she knew about the Zanny the Nanny character from the kids' books or whatever. When it came time to set someone up, she lucked onto ZFG.


I agree...she came up with Zanny the nanny from the book and/or Zanex...when she came across Zanieda, she must have thought "this is perfect!"...

[Gatordog]

I don't know what show it was that I was watching but they said that Cindy gave the outfit the Liar wore in court to the Attorneys. THey may have help her pic it out. How many conservative clothes do you think she had, not many I would guess.

Local news channels also report that the clothes were handed to the defense from Cindy. She is the one who probably put that bracelet in the sock. She thinks she can outsmart the authorities. We seen her at her best or worst while talking to the police. The rotten apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Gator

[Zingo]

There are different dialects of Spanish by region. My mom is Puerto Rican and she has a Z in her name and it is pronounced as a Z. In Spain, a Z is pronounced as "TH". Azul is pronounced as athul. I have an Uncle from Spain. We are quite a diverse family. :)

Gator


Cool, Gator. The only Spanish I know is from watching Dora the Explorer and Go Diego Go with my kids. Ha!

[joekuhl79]

Casey is one diabolical woman. that letter from work sounds so authentic it's eerie.

Sure would like to know what Cindy was referring to when she said George didn't come home between times. Had Casey asked her if someone had been there? Is she trying to set it up that someone had been in the house? Or had Cindy found things disturbed while Casey was at work and asked her about it? After all, Casey was supposed to be out of town with Jeff. And that doesn't jive with her bonding with Caylee.


I think her point was that George was at work and didn't come home for lunch or whatever and therefor didn't know if Liar was popping in. I think Cindy was in no way feeding a possible alibi or suggesting someone else was in their house.

[Gatordog]

I never liked him right from the first time I saw him. Something about him does not set right with me and I have very excellent intuition about people. I keep trying to figure it out. I get the feeling he is not trust worthy and I was really taken back when I found out all the time the Liar was spending in his office. We all know that is not the norm. But there is something else I just can put my finger one, but I will. Any of you feel the say way.:shrug:

He's got beady snake eyes. He doesn't have true emotion or expression in his face. He doesn't seem to talk to you and try to pull you in to his thoughts. He's got a huge chip on his shoulder. When Mark Nejame or John Morgan talks, the use their eyes to get you to trust them and they have true smiles. No beady snake eyes there.

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

It was reported on Fox 35 that no in-patient facility would take George due to his notariety. They siad their other patients would suffer. George is at home, but being treated on an out patient basis.

Gator

I was not surprised to fine out he is going to get out patient treatment. In patient treatment cost is extremely high. I would bet he is on Xanax, Lexapro or some other drug to help him cope.

[shadydaisy]

Thanks Shar ! :beer:

I feel vindicated for posting that "fooling around" poll on WS. I heard on NG this week that the jail officials had to warn Jose about not "touching his client" (apparently he gave Casey two hugs and that is against the rules). If they are having to be separated in the jail, imagine what they might do in the privacy of his office for hours!!!

I wouldn't put anything past Casey. She's like that song by Hall & Oats: She's a Man-Eater. And Jose is not that bright. It's obvious she's not just another client to him. He seems to really have a thing for her -- whether he's just giving her extra hugs for comfort, or something more, he's obviously kinda sweet on her. She definitely knows how to "play men."

That being said, I guess board administrators have to be careful about posters writing something that might be construed as libelous. I'm grateful for the administrators here who seem to trust us to behave.

I think when a lawyer has been warned about "client touching" by the jail -- he's fair game for this kind of public speculation, don't you???

Casey and Jose seem destined for one another. Both don't know how to behave in court. Jose is so lacking in professionalism. It's like watching a three ring circus. Hugging your client?! Unheard of in the real world.

[joekuhl79]

Good luck making sense over there! [Still think he's a plant (literally; a diffenbachia/dumbcane maybe, and poisonous, BTW) hired by Bozo to use a stage name and see what defense works.]

From what I can tell about The Big Fight and Choking Incident, Casey told Lee that it occurred and that she left with Caylee. That's been told for months, but within the past week or two I've heard it reported by the mainstream media. Lee wasn't there, so he isn't the source/can't be verified. George should have been at work, if memory serves, so that leaves Cindy or a neighbor(s). Surely a neighbor didn't witness the choking or would have called 911. So that leaves Cindy. Doesn't it?

(Prolly a dumb question!)


Let's think about this for one second...

If the source of this story about the fight IS Lee, then he got his information from Casey (aka Liar).

I personally don't believe a single word that Liar says.

[javahog]

I agree. Casey was trying to find a Z name. Diabolical, actually. But stupid.

My hair dresser is Hispanic (half Mexican, half El Salvadoran) Beautiful girl, incidentally. She confirmed to me that in Spanish there IS NO 'Z' sound. It's pronounced as an S. (Even Jose is not pronounced the same in Spanish. It's HO-SAY, not HO-ZAY as we pale faces say. )

So I don't give a flying flip if Casey was going around talking about Zani the Nanny. Zenaida is actually pronounced SUH-NYE-DAH. The Zani story doesn't fly in SO many ways. As people have mentioned before: Zani is not a plausible nickname for someone named Zenaida. I can see maybe Naida.

But this case is baffling because really we cannot conceive of a young woman so diabolical as to have planned and carried out the murder of her own daughter, coming up with a scheme to blame it all on a completely innocent bystander, even down to finding someone with a first name starting with Z.

I agree with most of your post, but the nickname is fairly common, just not spelled that way-but aurally, more or less correct for an anglicized version. Here's one example from many: http://frank.mtsu.edu/~jour/cv/Zenyvita04.pdf But I think it shows she was planning on "stuff" a long time before she acted, since she referred to "Zani" as early as May 6 (or 8?) in those texts to Tony...

[javahog]

You might not know that KC friend, can't remember her name, told LE that Zani is the nic for Xanax. I believe that the Liar was giving Caylee that drug to put her to sleep, hence calling it Zani the Nanny. She is dispictable.

No I knew that, but I think in the context of the conversation she's referring to a person...

[joekuhl79]

I don't know what show it was that I was watching but they said that Cindy gave the outfit the Liar wore in court to the Attorneys. THey may have help her pic it out. How many conservative clothes do you think she had, not many I would guess.

About her 'outfit' at the hearing...if I noticed correctly, wasn't she just wearing the dressy jacket over her jail clothes? Isn't that tacky? They couldn't afford her a whole outfit?

[eatcupcakes]

He's got beady snake eyes. He doesn't have true emotion or expression in his face. He doesn't seem to talk to you and try to pull you in to his thoughts. He's got a huge chip on his shoulder. When Mark Nejame or John Morgan talks, the use their eyes to get you to trust them and they have true smiles. No beady snake eyes there.

Gator

You are right he does not look directly into the camera that must be it. I think he has feelings for KC because they are soul mates. Does anyone know if he has kids. I heard him say the Liar deserves her day in Court. I am sure he is encouraging her to go to trial and keep saying she is not guilty. He is misleading the Liar and costing the State a lot of money. This is such an open and shut case he should be telling her to plea. Does he think he is Johnny Cockran and he can get an obvisouly guilty client off. I have news for him he is NO Johnny Cockran.

[eatcupcakes]

No I knew that, but I think in the context of the conversation she's referring to a person...


I think she was trying to make it sound like a person. It was her own little private joke. She likes to play on words. Remember the "I feel she is close to home" statement she made to her brother.

[eatcupcakes]

About her 'outfit' at the hearing...if I noticed correctly, wasn't she just wearing the dressy jacket over her jail clothes? Isn't that tacky? They couldn't afford her a whole outfit?

ON one show I was watching they were reporting she had a jacket on but the pants were prison garb. THen they started reporting that they were navy blue slacks. I don't know for sure what she had on her bottom half except a boil, LOL

[javahog]

Absolutely, Native!

I did a Google search on "Zanny" ... The first link that pops up is the Urban Dictionary defining "Zanny" as the street name for the anti-anxiety drug Xanax.

Upon doing some baby name research, I learned that the actual name Zanny is of Italian origin; it is the female derivative of the Italian male name Zan.

Apparently, they pronounce Zs in Italian !!!

Okay something is occurring to me: Is the name really THAT rare? I mean, you guys haven't heard it before? And its wigging you out because its so odd? Its finally occurring to me that I might be the odd one since I've known a couple so I haven't paid it much attention, so I've been mystified by the nickname questions and stuff...Is it like if the nanny's name was Arsinoe or something?

(Oh, and in the texts, Casey spells it "Zani")

[javahog]

I never liked him right from the first time I saw him. Something about him does not set right with me and I have very excellent intuition about people. I keep trying to figure it out. I get the feeling he is not trust worthy and I was really taken back when I found out all the time the Liar was spending in his office. We all know that is not the norm. But there is something else I just can put my finger one, but I will. Any of you feel the say way.:shrug:

...smirk?

[javahog]

About her 'outfit' at the hearing...if I noticed correctly, wasn't she just wearing the dressy jacket over her jail clothes? Isn't that tacky? They couldn't afford her a whole outfit?

No, it was just uglier than jail clothes. There were pockets in the pants so they probably weren't jail ones. and white socks and ballet slippers.

[Gatordog]

I'm home from work again today and have the happiest dog in the world. He likes when I'm home because he is always tuck to me like glue. So, since I'm home. I' going to follow up on my doc search. I'm particularly looking for info on the night of June15. I'll post whatver I find interesting.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I hpe that Danagher who will now be known as Nawny has her new computer. I missed her funny posts yesterday. Come back Nawny.

Gator

[javahog]

I think she was trying to make it sound like a person. It was her own little private joke. She likes to play on words. Remember the "I feel she is close to home" statement she made to her brother.

I think if she was referring to xanax, she would have been able to see him that day, and she didn't iirc. She also spelled it Zani, which...just strikes me as she met one, that's all. Not that she existed, but she already had fixated on the name. I think she was already fleshing out the character in her mind

...have you read those text messages in full? She was so done with being a mom. But also, I gotta wonder, what was she doing for 3 weeks that she couldn't see Tony, I mean at all? You'd think Cindy would have her at some point...what the H was she doing all the time?!

[Amy]

I would think a reputable attorney wouldn't need a PR firm to speak for him/her.

I wouldn't be surprised if kid finders was behind the payment for this PR firm. First they paid for Nejame and then Nejame backed out because he is ethical. Kid Finders was also behind the Anthony's detective according to early statements from George. KidFinders has a very shakey background considering its president is a felon and has orders of protection against him. Seems that he has brought a lot of questionable people to this case.

George said many times the only people helping him were Dennis and Dominic. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/doh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

http://www.wftv.com/news/18001297/detail.html

If Dennis spent any time in prison, maybe he met up w/Gil Cabot? Interesting that there are TWO organizations founded by felons that show up on ONE case? :chicken:

[Gatordog]

No, it was just uglier than jail clothes. There were pockets in the pants so they probably weren't jail ones. and white socks and ballet slippers.

Just wondering if shoes with heels would not be permitted because the heel could be used as a weapon. As to the white socks, well that made a perfect place to try to hide that white smuggled in bracelet.

Looked to me that the bun in her hair was an attached piece.

Gator

[Amy]

Bob Kealing of WESH has John Morgan on tv. Morgan says he has surprise questions for the family about Caylee and Casey. Casey Anthony has refused to answer any of Morgan's questions so Morgan will ask the judge to drop the counterclaim. More at 6 pm.

Gator

I think it sounds like Mr Morgan is going a little extreme. Now, questions that directly relate to the identity of Zenaida Gonzales, their knowledge of her, that type of thing...isn't that what HIS case is all about? To get into other stuff--did you have anything to do with the death of your daughter--now THAT seems to be out of the realm of this lawsuit, and best left to the criminal trial she faces.

[javahog]

Cindy picked out those clothes? Looks/sounds like a 'subtle' payback to me (for what she was wearing at Fusian and in those other pics!);)

I have it on good authority, this is the outfit she'll be wearing at the next hearing................http://i40.tinypic.com/14a8o4p.jpg


It's definately her, dontyathink?

lol!

[Amy]

The first depostion takes place next week and it's....Leonard Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) John Morgan hopes that these depositions help LE and prosecutors. He said he has questions for Cindy and George which may shed some light on this case for LE. This sounds as if there is going to be a war among attorneys.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent080.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

So, what information will LP be able to bring to the table? HE certainly didn't know ZFG, nor anything about her existence (or non-existence.) I think Mr Morgan should just try his case, and not be going out of bounds to fish for information for LE---they have probably already gotten the information they need from Cindy and George. Not all interviews and evidence have been revealed to the public.

[javahog]

Just wondering if shoes with heels would not be permitted because the heel could be used as a weapon. As to the white socks, well that made a perfect place to try to hide that white smuggled in bracelet.

Looked to me that the bun in her hair was an attached piece.

Gator

good points all...and you'd think the fake bun would be contraband, I could totally think of a way to use it as a weapon. And yeah, after you pointed it out, it DOES look attached...

[javahog]

So, what information will LP be able to bring to the table? HE certainly didn't know ZFG, nor anything about her existence (or non-existence.) I think Mr Morgan should just try his case, and not be going out of bounds to fish for information for LE---they have probably already gotten the information they need from Cindy and George. Not all interviews and evidence have been revealed to the public.

He once met the defendant?

Okay, I am grateful to LP for his efforts to search for Caylee. That said, rest on your laurels, LP! He was in contact with the principals for like, 2 weeks at most? And he sits there making pronouncements and talking about things he can't possibly know from a first hand basis, but he presents them this way.

I think Gator has spent more time with Cindy than he has. So there! (rant done).

[Amy]

Well but she does not refer to Zani as Zenaida. Zani may have been her little nickname for the nanny and when she went to assign a real name to the nanny she gave her the full name Zenaida. That is my take.

ITA. I don't recall anyone saying they heard the name Zenaida, but they had heard about Zanny the Nanny. The name Zenaida didn't come out until she was forced to come up with more than just a first name, to LE.

[Amy]

I think he said Cuban roots. The Puerto Ricans here in Central Florida don't like the Liar accusing a Perto Rican of kidnapping. Baez is from Miami, he can bond better with a jury there. Cubans are a very tightnit community and very supportive of each other. That's how Mel Martinez was elected to the Senate. I don't want to focus too much on the difference between cultures but the fact that Baez is sucking up to the Miami community. By the way, my mom is from PR.

Gator

Thanks....

[eatcupcakes]

I think it sounds like Mr Morgan is going a little extreme. Now, questions that directly relate to the identity of Zenaida Gonzales, their knowledge of her, that type of thing...isn't that what HIS case is all about? To get into other stuff--did you have anything to do with the death of your daughter--now THAT seems to be out of the realm of this lawsuit, and best left to the criminal trial she faces.

Do you think he is working with LE, and they are feeding him questions to ask. I don't know if thats legal or not but if it is that is what might be happening. What they say at this hearing I am pretty sure can be used at the trial.

[Gatordog]

Cindy picked out those clothes? Looks/sounds like a 'subtle' payback to me (for what she was wearing at Fusian and in those other pics!);)

I have it on good authority, this is the outfit she'll be wearing at the next hearing................http://i40.tinypic.com/14a8o4p.jpg


It's definately her, dontyathink?

If she keeps eating those pork rinds and cheetoes she'll be needing this for her trial. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char067.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator
http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-cartoon-013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[eatcupcakes]

Thanks....

I dated a Cuban boy years ago, he was a lovely person with high morals and very intelligent. The Cubans seem to have higher self esteme than the PR's.
That may be why they don't mesh well.

[Gatordog]

I think it sounds like Mr Morgan is going a little extreme. Now, questions that directly relate to the identity of Zenaida Gonzales, their knowledge of her, that type of thing...isn't that what HIS case is all about? To get into other stuff--did you have anything to do with the death of your daughter--now THAT seems to be out of the realm of this lawsuit, and best left to the criminal trial she faces.

Whatever anyone says during this deposition or hearing can be used in the murder trial and can impeach a witness. Perhaps Mr. Morgan is working with LE. He has an excellent reputation and is doing this pro bono. Clearing his client's reputation is his goal and that means clearing her of all aspects of this missing and murdered child. IMO

Gator

[Zingo]

Okay something is occurring to me: Is the name really THAT rare? I mean, you guys haven't heard it before? And its wigging you out because its so odd? Its finally occurring to me that I might be the odd one since I've known a couple so I haven't paid it much attention, so I've been mystified by the nickname questions and stuff...Is it like if the nanny's name was Arsinoe or something?

(Oh, and in the texts, Casey spells it "Zani")

Java, you may be right. I just have never met anyone named Zanny, not saying there aren't real Zanny's out there. I think most people are more familiar with Zanny as a code for Xanax.

But if you know several Zanny's please do share with us. Are they hispanic? Are their names short for Zenaida, or what?

I live in a pretty boring suburb where people just have names like Kathy, John, Mike, Maureen, Scott, Judy, ha!

[Gatordog]

TeeeHeeee Don't forget the sunglasses!

I like this one too.... http://i42.tinypic.com/213n2aq.jpg if she doesn't have a bag we can provide her one :D

You're on a roll this morning OS. Keep up the good posts.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I dated a Cuban boy years ago, he was a lovely person with high morals and very intelligent. The Cubans seem to have higher self esteme than the PR's.
That may be why they don't mesh well.

We don't call it higher self esteem, it's arrogance. I'll leave it at that.

[Amy]

Cindy was freaking...and all over the map from topic to topic. And real concerned about job security.

Did you also see in the first one, the "battle of the bands" one, one of the employees mentioned is "Juliet"? Seems like someone long had a well stocked fantasy friend life. Its really amazing how detailed it is.

I can't imagine TEXTING that length of message--the "work" one OR Cindy's. Heck, if I can get a 5 word sentence out, I feel lucky!!!! And, that's after messing up somewhere, having to start over, etc. Guess maybe they are more technology advanced than I am. Also, all the words are spelled out. THAT takes a LOT of time.

I noticed the name Juliette, too. Now, is this a text that Casey sent herself? Or, purported to be?

[Amy]

I have a question for those of you who believe that George was lying when he said he last saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. If I am following right and none of the family said there was a fight at all and this is what they are trying to cover up as motive, then who told the story that Casey left that night in a huff? How could someone tell that story if they had a lovely evening? Do you get my drift? How would we know that Casey left the house at all that night? Maybe she never left. After all how could they say she stormed out after a fight they denied existed?Not being a smart aleck but Justice and I were discussing on the other thread , trying to put some logic on that damn thread LOL who said that Casey left in a huff that night? And it got me thinking.,someone in the family must have admitted the fight to admit that she left in a huff.

I think the leaving in a huff is part of theories set out by posters--me included. I don't know that ANY of the A's, that is, George (who seemed to have been working that evening and wasn't there?) Cindy (who says it was a nice quiet normal evening--altho quiet and normal seem to be an oxymoron in this family) and Casey, who, I don't know has even addressed the evening of the 15th in interviews or phone calls w/family. So, Lee either got his info from Cindy or Casey, and/or from the neighbor who DOES report a loud argument the evening of the 15th. He has no pony in this parade--especially @ the very beginning of the case, so I don't know why HE would make up there being an argument. (The neighbor, not Lee.)

[javahog]

Java, you may be right. I just have never met anyone named Zanny, not saying there aren't real Zanny's out there. I think most people are more familiar with Zanny as a code for Xanax.

But if you know several Zanny's please do share with us. Are they hispanic? Are their names short for Zenaida, or what?

I live in a pretty boring suburb where people just have names like Kathy, John, Mike, Maureen, Scott, Judy, ha!

I knew two when I was a kid. One never shortened her name, the baby was called (phonetically) "zanny". I never saw it spelled out, so :shrug: I know none now and have never met another, and that was 25 years ago, so I guess it was just a statistical anomaly. Oh, and one was definitely of Puerto Rican descent, not sure of the other, but if I had to guess, the same.

I will think differently about the name now, thank you! I'll just mentally think Arsinoe so I get how odd a choice it was, lol!

[javahog]

I thought the name appeared in an email. Texting-oh Lordy i am the same technologically illiterate. I work with a fellow in his 20's who can do it from his pocket???? he is always chatting with the girlfriend. He thinks we dont know. Since he has been taken to task he now sometimes makes actual calls from the bathroom. One night working i had just spent alot of time diffusing a fellow with many probs including an explosive violent temper. He had toddled off back to his room for the night. I could hear all this yelling but i could not get down to said persons room right away so was stating loudly down the hall each of the priviledges he was going to lose if he did not calm per our agreement. When i finally got down the hall i realized it was our cell phone staffer fighting with his girlfriend on the phone from the bathroom. I wish he would go back to texting :D

Sure, he's "texting" in his "pocket"! :D

[javahog]

I can't imagine TEXTING that length of message--the "work" one OR Cindy's. Heck, if I can get a 5 word sentence out, I feel lucky!!!! And, that's after messing up somewhere, having to start over, etc. Guess maybe they are more technology advanced than I am. Also, all the words are spelled out. THAT takes a LOT of time.

I noticed the name Juliette, too. Now, is this a text that Casey sent herself? Or, purported to be?

The work one was an e-mail recovered from her computer. The Cindy e-mail was also recovered from her computer (these both came from "un-allocated space", so I think she tried to delete them and then overwrite).

But the quantity of texts between her and Tony alone-its amazing her thumbs aren't little stumps. And he was acting a jerk. Always wanting her to cut herself loose from Caylee. I wonder how he feels about all that now? Telling her she could be a girlfriend if not for Caylee?! I realize he was just doing guy things, but I consider that as heinous as anything Cindy ever did...

Oh, and Juliet appeared in the "work e-mail" as one of the event workers. Yeah, she had to have sent it to herself. How weirdly detailed is it, huh? Though when I planned events I bullet-pointed the info so it was more organized than the rambling there, but I know other managers would write just like that...I would have believed it.

[Amy]

I never liked him right from the first time I saw him. Something about him does not set right with me and I have very excellent intuition about people. I keep trying to figure it out. I get the feeling he is not trust worthy and I was really taken back when I found out all the time the Liar was spending in his office. We all know that is not the norm. But there is something else I just can put my finger one, but I will. Any of you feel the say way.:shrug:

Yep, there just is "something" about Jose. There are just a bunch of "little" things.

As you mention--having a client, a young, single woman spend upwards of 6 hours in your office every day is kinky. There surely had to have been some other solution to keeping her and George apart--her going back to jail for protection would be one that crossed MY mind.

Hugging his client @ the jail--now, really, Jose. Tell me, are you going to have us believe that you hug ALL your clients in jail? The old, the male? You might WANT us to believe that, but you fall short.

Having a PR firm founded and run by a felon--and I really wonder HOW many people are in that firm? I'm betting one--with multiple names. And, no matter what spin they put on it, Jose HAS acknowledged that Media Corps or whatever the name is, DOES represent HIS office in PR matters. He may deny it, but he DID acknowledge it in public.

How many times has he made motions that were incorrect, either in the motion itself or how he presented it? What reputable lawyer has to be chided on more than one occasion by the presiding judge about doing his own legwork on the case? He just doesn't seem to be all that as a lawyer--and I really haven't seen any improvement since he has others on his team--or does he just not listen to the advise of more experienced lawyers? And, why would THEY stay on the case when the lead attorney seems to be....not exactly clueless, maybe, but close to.

AND, his website that goes NOWHERE. That's just a minor hinky, but really, if you want people to consider hiring you as a lawyer, don't you think links that take you somewhere, anywhere would be a plus? All those tantalizing leads that say they will lead you to his "success" stories--and there is NOTHING!!!! Can't even find the list of other lawyers in the firm.

I wonder about his appointment (or hiring) to the law college--did they put out feelers in trade papers or emails? And he answered? Or, did THEY go to him? Which seems kind of wierd in itself. Who would tap a lawyer embroiled in a HIGH PROFILE case that surely has to take the majority of his working hours to come teach @ the college? You'd think that adding that to his already full plate would be a bit much. Besides, did they LOOK @ any of the things he has said and done in THIS case? Are they not aware that even THE JUDGE does not think he was prepared for the motions he brought forth, and if he can't do THAT right, can he be properly preparing a case for trial which seems to be what he is teaching. :shrug:

[javahog]

Lots of good thoughts floating around here, you guys.

So, although we know she's pleading the 5th, if she Were to say No, it's not 'My Zani', that puts the whole theory of Zani down the drain for the defense, because there is no other Zani to point fingers at. The connection with Sawgrass, Zaneida, NY, the kids names, is with THIS Zani.

If I were Zani, at this point I would like to just throw her some beatin and I'd be happy with that..........but that's me ;). Everyone knows this woman is just a scapegoat, but, unfortunately, her life has been ruined. Her only consolation would be a future deal Casey would make for $, but then the Son of Sam Law kicks in.........does SOS Law hold true for Florida also? Whatever, she'll have to pay restitutions first. Knowing how Casey is, she'll probably think she can profit in the future......she is wrong.

The other questions her lawyer stated were about Zani's car, her children's names, really benign stuff.

Yeah, there is simply too much. Any Zenaida would have done, but this one lost the Casey lottery.

And I think her lawyer suspects there IS money to be had.I think he thinks there is already money in a pot somewhere, and this "Todd Black" thing has capped it. I can't wait for them to follow the money...

[Amy]

Local news channels also report that the clothes were handed to the defense from Cindy. She is the one who probably put that bracelet in the sock. She thinks she can outsmart the authorities. We seen her at her best or worst while talking to the police. The rotten apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Gator

I did have to chuckle @ the tv the other day or night. I think it was JVM, in her most earnest voice explaining how the defense had brought A SUIT (I DO wish they would just say blazer, everyone talks @ sometime like it was a full blown suit) for Casey to wear and THERE WAS A BRACELET IN THE POCKET OF THE JACKET!!!! Now, unless I missed a correction, the bracelet was tucked into a sock. (I could have missed it, been watching something less mentally and emotionally taxing--like the food channel, lol.)

I really don't see the big deal about Cindy OR Jose wanting Casey to have a bracelet (wonder if SHE wanted it, probably hadn't even crossed her mind) but it seems they went about it wrong. They should have just had the bracelet there, told the jail staff they wanted her to wear that, too. They would have been told yes or no--but to try to SNEAK it in is---well, just how one would expect them to act, actually.

[Amy]

I agree with most of your post, but the nickname is fairly common, just not spelled that way-but aurally, more or less correct for an anglicized version. Here's one example from many: http://frank.mtsu.edu/~jour/cv/Zenyvita04.pdf But I think it shows she was planning on "stuff" a long time before she acted, since she referred to "Zani" as early as May 6 (or 8?) in those texts to Tony...

Her first reference to Zanny the Nanny seemed to be in April '06 when Mr Grund tells her his family can no longer baby sit Caylee. He says she told him she had just that day hired a nanny named Zanny for Caylee. This interview was WAY early in the case, by the way. Before Grund became a household name in the case.

[Amy]

About her 'outfit' at the hearing...if I noticed correctly, wasn't she just wearing the dressy jacket over her jail clothes? Isn't that tacky? They couldn't afford her a whole outfit?

I think it was Jean Casairis (sp) who was @ the hearing is the one who described the pants just like most of us (well, all, that have posted, I think) saw them--jailhouse pants. The th's and NG and JVM and GVS (who, I wonder even LOOKED @ the video) seem to be the ones who refer to her outfit as a "suit."

Non one said, but I wonder if, in allowing her to wear civilian clothes, whomever decided said that just a jacket would suffice? OR, perhaps, the pants that might have been provided along with the jacket no longer...ummm...FIT? The top seemed to be a tad tight, but so did some of her shirts in the pre-jail pics. I'm sure the pants she wore pre-jail were form fitting, you know, to show off her bod. Packing on just a few pounds in jail would have made them too tight to wear, I'd think.

[Amy]

Just wondering if shoes with heels would not be permitted because the heel could be used as a weapon. As to the white socks, well that made a perfect place to try to hide that white smuggled in bracelet.

Looked to me that the bun in her hair was an attached piece.

Gator

I think you are probably right about the shoes. Most of them seem to arrive @ hearings in jail-issue slippers or whatever they call them, so @ least she got a break on not having to wear those. Or, were those the jail issue "shoes?"

I hadn't noticed about the possibility of a hairpiece until someone brought it up on one of the shows. Seems THAT would be more dangerous than a little plastic bracelet--there have to be pins of some type to attach the hairpiece, those could be weapons. Wonder if all the other prisoners get to wear hair pieces to their hearings? If not, there IS another "special" consideration for Casey.

[Amy]

Do you think he is working with LE, and they are feeding him questions to ask. I don't know if thats legal or not but if it is that is what might be happening. What they say at this hearing I am pretty sure can be used at the trial.

It's hard to tell with this case, that's for sure. I think Mr Morgan has found his 15 minutes of fame with the civil suit, and like the others, now seems to want to extend the 15 minutes by insinuating himself in the criminal case. IMO, if he was working w/LE, he would shut his freakin' yap about anything except the civil suit. But, that's just my opinion.

[Gatordog]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy091.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810979/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-001

See pae 47 of 50 - Jesse tells Yuri Melich that Lee told him that Cindy confided to Lee about a fight that got physical on the 15th.

Gator

Also - check out pg 12. On the first day after Cindy's 911 calls, the detective returns the Liar to the house. Before the detectives leaves George confronts him and says both he and Cindy think somerthing happened to Caylee and that their daughter is holding back info.

[Amy]

They'll ask him about her attitude, the stickers, any animosity in the house, stuff like that, which IS good, hell, she was wanting to cook for his nephew, putting stickers on the laptop (sticker crazy b*t*h)....

what the hey, let's let 'em talk! ;)

And all this has WHAT to do with Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez? None of that is relevant in the civil suit about the ZFG issue. Except the sticker issue, maybe.

[javahog]

Her first reference to Zanny the Nanny seemed to be in April '06 when Mr Grund tells her his family can no longer baby sit Caylee. He says she told him she had just that day hired a nanny named Zanny for Caylee. This interview was WAY early in the case, by the way. Before Grund became a household name in the case.

I'm not entirely sure I trust Richard Grund...I remember he altered his story in the details, like using zanny or her full name...

Jesse, however, makes sense. So Zani in November '07 at least...I think she was already perusing her options. The story was starting to form in her head.

and thank you! i forgot this!

[Amy]

The work one was an e-mail recovered from her computer. The Cindy e-mail was also recovered from her computer (these both came from "un-allocated space", so I think she tried to delete them and then overwrite).

But the quantity of texts between her and Tony alone-its amazing her thumbs aren't little stumps. And he was acting a jerk. Always wanting her to cut herself loose from Caylee. I wonder how he feels about all that now? Telling her she could be a girlfriend if not for Caylee?! I realize he was just doing guy things, but I consider that as heinous as anything Cindy ever did...

Oh, and Juliet appeared in the "work e-mail" as one of the event workers. Yeah, she had to have sent it to herself. How weirdly detailed is it, huh? Though when I planned events I bullet-pointed the info so it was more organized than the rambling there, but I know other managers would write just like that...I would have believed it.

Thanks When I first read them, I tho't email. But the message posted w/the link said cell phone records, and whatever I read @ the top of the pages made me think, well, they must be texts? They did just seem to be too long for texts, but what do I know? lol.

I was thinking, you know, if she spent as much time actually WORKING as she did making things up, she probably would have had a decent job and decent income and could have had a decent life!!! Especially all the time she had to have put in an email detailing the "event" and what everyone else was to do. Which brings me to--just what was the purpose of it being so detailed? Did she think that would make it more plausible to Cindy and George than an email that just addressed HER part of the "event?" :shrug:

[javahog]

Well that would be sweet if the hard working Zaneida with kids, who lost her job could re-coup some $ from the Liar. That would be ironic. Can only see it if she had a stash somewhere. Maybe she did if her intent was to join that fellow out in Cali she was chatting up. (The Army guy-name Mark?) MOO

Well, "Todd Black" aka "Gil Cabot" aka "Jerome" something are associated with a company that specializes in gathering and marketing "true" stories, such as "The Lacy Peterson Story". I gotta think there's someone paying for the defense. (Oh, and on another board someone found that Gil Cabot has used a phone number that belongs to a "Lorena Baez"...) Denmark, meet fishy smell.

I smell money somewhere! (I just wish I smelled it in my house!)

[javahog]

Thanks When I first read them, I tho't email. But the message posted w/the link said cell phone records, and whatever I read @ the top of the pages made me think, well, they must be texts? They did just seem to be too long for texts, but what do I know? lol.

I was thinking, you know, if she spent as much time actually WORKING as she did making things up, she probably would have had a decent job and decent income and could have had a decent life!!! Especially all the time she had to have put in an email detailing the "event" and what everyone else was to do. Which brings me to--just what was the purpose of it being so detailed? Did she think that would make it more plausible to Cindy and George than an email that just addressed HER part of the "event?" :shrug:

She'll probably start writing novels in jail. It is an amazingly detailed little world, huh? I bet she thought she was so smart she could pull it off. Who wouldn't believe her?

I think she over thought it. Why she didn't just go with an Adam Walsh style scenario is beyond me. All she had to do was find a place with no surveillance cameras and no one to say they didn't see Caylee with her...too weird, why this way? :shrug:

[Gatordog]

It's hard to tell with this case, that's for sure. I think Mr Morgan has found his 15 minutes of fame with the civil suit, and like the others, now seems to want to extend the 15 minutes by insinuating himself in the criminal case. IMO, if he was working w/LE, he would shut his freakin' yap about anything except the civil suit. But, that's just my opinion.

John Morgan doesn't need 15 minutes of fame. He has it - he is a very well-respected attorney in Central Fl. So well liked that he has often been asked to run for Congress or the Senate. He has donated a fortune to many charitable organizations. You are making him out to be a bad person and he is not. I have a friend who knows him personally and I can't begin to say how well liked he is in Central Florida. He has opened up his office to be used for fundraisers. He is a self made multi-millionaire through amusement venues that he started. If you have ever heard of Wonderworks, that's his company. He isn't doing this for attention.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think you are probably right about the shoes. Most of them seem to arrive @ hearings in jail-issue slippers or whatever they call them, so @ least she got a break on not having to wear those. Or, were those the jail issue "shoes?"

I hadn't noticed about the possibility of a hairpiece until someone brought it up on one of the shows. Seems THAT would be more dangerous than a little plastic bracelet--there have to be pins of some type to attach the hairpiece, those could be weapons. Wonder if all the other prisoners get to wear hair pieces to their hearings? If not, there IS another "special" consideration for Casey.

Those hairpieces usually attach by either a banana clip or a comb.

As for hairpieces, Lyle Menendez wore his throughout his two trials.

[Gatordog]

And all this has WHAT to do with Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez? None of that is relevant in the civil suit about the ZFG issue. Except the sticker issue, maybe.

Ok, so let's say there is a little pay back or revenge in the questions. They deserve it for what they put ZFG through and everyone else for that matter. My tax dollars are paying for all the Liar's actions. I don't see why you are so fed up about this civil trial. If it causes anyone in that family to lose sleep, well I have no problem with that. And, if the Liar ever does get two nickels to her name, let them go to Zenaida. Why does this civil suit anger you so much? :shrug:

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think the leaving in a huff is part of theories set out by posters--me included. I don't know that ANY of the A's, that is, George (who seemed to have been working that evening and wasn't there?) Cindy (who says it was a nice quiet normal evening--altho quiet and normal seem to be an oxymoron in this family) and Casey, who, I don't know has even addressed the evening of the 15th in interviews or phone calls w/family. So, Lee either got his info from Cindy or Casey, and/or from the neighbor who DOES report a loud argument the evening of the 15th. He has no pony in this parade--especially @ the very beginning of the case, so I don't know why HE would make up there being an argument. (The neighbor, not Lee.)

I found the document in one of the evidence documents pertaining to the fight. Cindy told Lee that she choked Casey and Lee told Jesse Grund.

[Gatordog]

I think it was Jean Casairis (sp) who was @ the hearing is the one who described the pants just like most of us (well, all, that have posted, I think) saw them--jailhouse pants. The th's and NG and JVM and GVS (who, I wonder even LOOKED @ the video) seem to be the ones who refer to her outfit as a "suit."

Non one said, but I wonder if, in allowing her to wear civilian clothes, whomever decided said that just a jacket would suffice? OR, perhaps, the pants that might have been provided along with the jacket no longer...ummm...FIT? The top seemed to be a tad tight, but so did some of her shirts in the pre-jail pics. I'm sure the pants she wore pre-jail were form fitting, you know, to show off her bod. Packing on just a few pounds in jail would have made them too tight to wear, I'd think.

Agree - The pants to the suit no longer fit. The jacket was pretty tight and it looks as if she has gotten hippier (damn pork rinds) and maybe she couldn't zip them and with no time to get something else, she had to wear jailhose blues.

Gator

[javahog]

Thats the beauty of a socio that kills. They dont view anything the same as we do. It's what takes them down as well. I bet Liar is sitting in jail still whining "Why wont they believe me" She cant see it and nope never will. MOO

Why the (****) are these (*******)people so (****) stupid that they won't believe my story? It is a (*******) good one. (******) Idiots.

paraphrased.

[Justice Denied?]

It was reported on Fox 35 that no in-patient facility would take George due to his notariety. They siad their other patients would suffer. George is at home, but being treated on an out patient basis.

Gator

Oh, dear God! I certainly hope those people have the sense to watch him and not let him be alone or go anywhere by himself. If not he will surely try again and probably succeed. How sad!

[Gatordog]

She'll probably start writing novels in jail. It is an amazingly detailed little world, huh? I bet she thought she was so smart she could pull it off. Who wouldn't believe her?

I think she over thought it. Why she didn't just go with an Adam Walsh style scenario is beyond me. All she had to do was find a place with no surveillance cameras and no one to say they didn't see Caylee with her...too weird, why this way? :shrug:

With her imagination and all the extra time on her hands she should write novels. Zenaida could use the money.

Gator

[Gatordog]

In the video i saw tho Gator just before she sat down you could see the side pockets gaping open. I thought the pants looked too polished to be prison issue. I just cant see jailhouse pants having pockets?

Beem, she needs someplace to store her porkrinds and cheetoes. :tongue:

Gator

[javahog]

Well in any case, I look forward to seeing LP under oath, just to clear up what he does and doesn't know. I fear he may not spend much more time on the air once that truth gets out.

But he does have relevant information: If Casey never mentioned Zenaida or seemed concerned, there might not BE a Zenaida. Stickers: well, Casey said Zenaida had access to the house, so any stuff inside could be relevant. Cindy and George, did they ever try to talk about Zenaida? If not, makes one wonder if they believed she existed. So...its a deposition, not being on the stand, so it is by nature far-reaching. Ask anything you want, Mr, Morgan! well, okay, within reason...

[javahog]

George was not there, is that right? I'm thinking she probably sedated Caylee that night and waited till Cindy left to go home. How could she have killed Caylee the night of the 15th if she did not have easy access to the ingredients for the chloroform?

I have a hard time understanding why George would lie about her leaving on the day of the 16th...she had to come back and get stuff she needed anyway, since she left so fast earlier.. Another thing is that the clothes George said he saw her in last were never found. We know she was seen in the parking lot on the phone pacing, I'm thinking Caylee was sleeping in the carseat.

Now where or how does the clothes found with Caylee fit in............? Did she grab them out of her room the morning of the 16th and throw them in the backpack for later? Then ditch them with caylee's body? She already made a statement 'they haven't even found the clothes she was wearing." Obviously she thought she got over, with them not finding the clothes (I'm assuming) she was last wearing.

I'm not sure we know she was seen pacing at a motel: LP said a motel manager saw her, I haven't heard any other reference to this or proof offered...anyone?

[Justice Denied?]

About her 'outfit' at the hearing...if I noticed correctly, wasn't she just wearing the dressy jacket over her jail clothes? Isn't that tacky? They couldn't afford her a whole outfit?

When I heard that I wondered if possibly they had brought her a skirt or slacks and they were too tight as Casey has gained quite a bit of weight. But one commentator said they were blue dress slacks.

[javahog]

Beem, she needs someplace to store her porkrinds and cheetoes. :tongue:

Gator

I thought that was what her a** was for...

[eatcupcakes]

the liar was wearing in court. They were blue and get over it.

Now I have a questions. In this ZFG hearing or whatever the heck it is, did the attorney say he was suppeoning all of the Anthony's. Cause I got a feeling George can get out of it with a Medical excuse and I just can't imagine Cindy doing anything but taking the 5th.

[Gatordog]

George was not there, is that right? I'm thinking she probably sedated Caylee that night and waited till Cindy left to go home. How could she have killed Caylee the night of the 15th if she did not have easy access to the ingredients for the chloroform?

I have a hard time understanding why George would lie about her leaving on the day of the 16th...she had to come back and get stuff she needed anyway, since she left so fast earlier.. Another thing is that the clothes George said he saw her in last were never found. We know she was seen in the parking lot on the phone pacing, I'm thinking Caylee was sleeping in the carseat.

Now where or how does the clothes found with Caylee fit in............? Did she grab them out of her room the morning of the 16th and throw them in the backpack for later? Then ditch them with caylee's body? She already made a statement 'they haven't even found the clothes she was wearing." Obviously she thought she got over, with them not finding the clothes (I'm assuming) she was last wearing.

Yes, George was working and didn't get home until after 11:30 pm. As to the chloroform - I would not keep it in the house where it could be found. I'd keep it in the car. If she used Special K or something else like that, it could have been in her purse. Since she took the duct tape and used it for the no clothes party, I'm thinking she might have had that in her car too. I don't believe George's statement on what Caylee was wearing. Those clothes found at the burial site seem to match what she was wearing on the 15th with her greatgrandpa.

[Gatordog]

I thought that was what her a** was for...

LOL - That is certainly where they went.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

He definately has something about him that makes you think that,but I just attribute it to the way he looks. You know, how some people have a 'look' about them and actually they are not really that way? Mean, sad, etc. I also get a feeling he's not wholly confident, and that comes through with what you feel... he comes across as Shifty.

We have made some great jokes about the Jose/Casey connection and it is funny. But, out to Zingo, make no mistake, Casey is Jose's cash cow, one way or another, for noteriety or future $. His inexperience does not allow him to know where that fine line is, but I Highly Doubt anything has happened. That's not to say she hasn't been flirting like hell with him, but that's her way with guys, a little sexual innuendo so to speak. Unfortunately, she should have put that much effort into her and her daughters future (instead of worrying about her who-ha). Someone should have told her she wasn't all that, it would have saved Caylee's life, because the first thing Tony Lazzaro did was Sing. Did she think he would be more serious if Caylee wasn't around?


Usually Casey would say 'the babysitter', and even Lazzaro, with whom she spent the most time those few months prior to Caylee's death heard the name Zani once or twice , per his interview. Yea, it was Zani, Zani the pill, not Zani the loving kind woman who bought a carseat, clothes ,toys, etc. for Caylee. Casey was living with Lazzaro, and the last time he saw Caylee was June 2nd or so............at his pool.

What was she doing with Caylee all those days and nights, up until the 15th of June?


Did you all hear....Myspace suspended 90,000 accounts on their site. Seems they did a little research, and found that amount to be all sexual predators and took them off the site. That's Great ~ probably only another 990,000 to go!:cool:

I recently read an article (don't remember where) that said girls or women who have been the victims of incest usually relate to men on a sexual level because that is all they have ever known - what they have been taught. I immediately thought of Casey and Jon-Benet Ramsey, not quite sure why.
You know Casey did state at one point she had been molested both by George and Lee, but then we know she lies.

[Gatordog]

the liar was wearing in court. They were blue and get over it.

Now I have a questions. In this ZFG hearing or whatever the heck it is, did the attorney say he was suppeoning all of the Anthony's. Cause I got a feeling George can get out of it with a Medical excuse and I just can't imagine Cindy doing anything but taking the 5th.

Get over it? Blue pants, blue pants. blue pants, blue pants, blue pants, blue pants. Okay I think I've got it out of my system now.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Well in any case, I look forward to seeing LP under oath, just to clear up what he does and doesn't know. I fear he may not spend much more time on the air once that truth gets out.

But he does have relevant information: If Casey never mentioned Zenaida or seemed concerned, there might not BE a Zenaida. Stickers: well, Casey said Zenaida had access to the house, so any stuff inside could be relevant. Cindy and George, did they ever try to talk about Zenaida? If not, makes one wonder if they believed she existed. So...its a deposition, not being on the stand, so it is by nature far-reaching. Ask anything you want, Mr, Morgan! well, okay, within reason...

All I know is Padilla knew that Caylee's body had been located before it was found. Maybe he's part of the daisy chain. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy026.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

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[javahog]

the liar was wearing in court. They were blue and get over it.

Now I have a questions. In this ZFG hearing or whatever the heck it is, did the attorney say he was suppeoning all of the Anthony's. Cause I got a feeling George can get out of it with a Medical excuse and I just can't imagine Cindy doing anything but taking the 5th.

but they were ugly blue pants....

I think all called, no way they'll make GA do it. He's likely on meds. Maybe she is too for all we know...but...can they take the 5th? If it can be demonstrated that the question doesn't incriminate them, won't they be in contempt?

[javahog]

All I know is Padilla knew that Caylee's body had been located before it was found. Maybe he's part of the daisy chain. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy026.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

That's it! Padilla did it. Where to hide? In plain sight, highest possible profile!

(uh, j/k lp)

[Justice Denied?]

I can't imagine TEXTING that length of message--the "work" one OR Cindy's. Heck, if I can get a 5 word sentence out, I feel lucky!!!! And, that's after messing up somewhere, having to start over, etc. Guess maybe they are more technology advanced than I am. Also, all the words are spelled out. THAT takes a LOT of time.

I noticed the name Juliette, too. Now, is this a text that Casey sent herself? Or, purported to be?

Amy, if I recall correctly, those were e-mails.

[Gatordog]

I asked the questions and got my answer (don't ask ;)) Special K's effects on humanoids is not sleep. With a child, I don't know. Maybe Benadryl or cough syrup..I bet Caylee was crying that night :(. She could have had the tape in the car, absolutely. That laundry bag Caylee was found in bothers me also. She had the detergent in the car already, and no one in their house ever let out that the laundry hamper liner/bag was gone.

Cooled bleach, acetone, gator.........where would she keep that in the June heat in FL?

Don't forget that all this could have happened over days. First Caylee was duct taped and maybe drugged. She could have died that night and and the rest of the paraphenalia gotten over the next few days. If I remember correctly the boyfriend Tony, said that the trash in her trunk came from his house. Maybe she took the laundry bag from his house and replaced it with one from Target. As far as the cooled bleach, I thought that was while the chloroform was being made, not stored. I don't know anything about it other than what was on NG and they said it had to stay on ice while making it. Just about everyone here in FL has a cooler in their trunk for when we go food shopping. Whether or not she had one :shrug:

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

Get over it? Blue pants, blue pants. blue pants, blue pants, blue pants, blue pants. Okay I think I've got it out of my system now.

Gator

ROFLMAO, Now can you answer my question. I know you must have the answer because you are right in the middle of the action being right in Central Fl. The question was are all the Anthony's being supenoed
for the ZFG deposition? Thank you

[Gatordog]

One2Snoop, ApplesandOranges, Loretta, Nawny, Mu8Shark - where are you today?

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

If the fight and choking incident took place, followed by Casey seldom being heard from and Caylee not being seen or heard from at all, the incident would have probably been a regular topic of discussion in the family. Anyone of them may have talked to bounty hunters, LE, or the media about it.

The way I understand the situation, is that only Cindy, Casey and Caylee were home when this occurred. My question is, who confirmed Casey's claim so that the media feels certain that it's true? Not Caylee. That leaves Cindy.

[javahog]

One2Snoop, ApplesandOranges, Loretta, Nawny, Mu8Shark - where are you today?

Gator

What? I'm not good enough for you? :D

[Gatordog]

ROFLMAO, Now can you answer my question. I know you must have the answer because you are right in the middle of the action being right in Central Fl. The question was are all the Anthony's being supenoed
for the ZFG deposition? Thank you

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy119.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Yes. George and Cindy are scheduled for the same day which is either Feb 26 or 27. Lee is scheduled by himself also on either of those two days. Leonard Padilla dets deposed next week.

Gator

[javahog]

The way I understand the situation, is that only Cindy, Casey and Caylee were home when this occurred. My question is, who confirmed Casey's claim so that the media feels certain that it's true? Not Caylee. That leaves Cindy.

Maybe that's what she needs immunity for...felony assault. Not that I don't understand it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know what show it was that I was watching but they said that Cindy gave the outfit the Liar wore in court to the Attorneys. THey may have help her pic it out. How many conservative clothes do you think she had, not many I would guess.

OT: But Nancy Grace called that ill-fitting garment a power suit last night!

Did anyone else notice that the night the news broke about the Caylee bracelet, NG showed a pic of a blue bracelet similar to the one Cindy was shown wearing in the People Magazine?

[javahog]

OT: But Nancy Grace called that ill-fitting garment a power suit last night!

Did anyone else notice that the night the news broke about the Caylee bracelet, NG showed a pic of a blue bracelet similar to the one Cindy was shown wearing in the People Magazine?

?power suit? that's nuts.

[Gatordog]

What? I'm not good enough for you? :D

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Absolutely, Native!

I did a Google search on "Zanny" ... The first link that pops up is the Urban Dictionary defining "Zanny" as the street name for the anti-anxiety drug Xanax.

Upon doing some baby name research, I learned that the actual name Zanny is of Italian origin; it is the female derivative of the Italian male name Zan.

Apparently, they pronounce Zs in Italian !!!

Seems like back when we tried to figure out whatever the heck Casey was trying to finagle when she named the nanny, Zanny; we came up with all kinds of pronunciations, learned that Zenaida is Greek (didn't know about the Italian version), and that Zanny or Zani isn't considered a nickname.

[Gatordog]

?power suit? that's nuts.

Hey, it had the power to make me laugh. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Nawny is awaiting on her new dell dude. Here reading tho. Keyboard is java damaged. Prolly from all the hysterical posts here lol Yeah where is everyone?

Nawny and her Cawfee, getting in the keyboard. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

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[lorettalockhorn]

Let's think about this for one second...

If the source of this story about the fight IS Lee, then he got his information from Casey (aka Liar).

I personally don't believe a single word that Liar says.

Lee is on the record as saying that Casey told him that day when he first talked to her about the "kidnapping" while Cindy lurked outside the door. I don't necessarily doubt that it happened, my question is how did the media confirm it? Or did they?

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay something is occurring to me: Is the name really THAT rare? I mean, you guys haven't heard it before? And its wigging you out because its so odd? Its finally occurring to me that I might be the odd one since I've known a couple so I haven't paid it much attention, so I've been mystified by the nickname questions and stuff...Is it like if the nanny's name was Arsinoe or something?

(Oh, and in the texts, Casey spells it "Zani")

At one time, I went to veromi.com and searched the name Zenaida with stereotypical Hispanic surnames, and it's not that uncommon in Florida.

[Zingo]

1. Java says Puerto Ricans are known to use the name Zanny. Isn't ZFG Puerto Rican? Didn't Casey know other Zenaidas in HS? Must be a fairly common name in that area. Casey has quite an active fantasy life, where she uses the first names of people she knows, and different last names. I think she probably just got lucky stumbling on ZFG's info at Sawgrass. Still it is a weird coincidence.

2. ZFG is trying to clear her name (and make some cash, if it's hiding anywhere). Pinning this crime on Casey (where it belongs) clears ZFG. But to win her case, ZFG also has to show that she is the only ZFG that Casey could have been referring to when she made her false accusation. Morgan would depose anyone who could attest to Casey's connection to Sawgrass, her knowledge of details about ZFG's life. I'm not sure how LP helps in that regard, actually, unless they want to ask him what Casey told him about the nanny. They're basically fishing to find the genesis of the "ZFG did it" story. And, I for one, have my popcorn ready for that!

3. I don't think Casey wore a hairpiece; hair can grow about an inch per month, so it's likely her hair is long enough now. I do think it's likely she put on too much weight for any pants or skirts that would have been sent along. Thanks to NG, we know EXACTLY what Casey's been eating. Ha! (Sadly, I can't fit into jeans I wore six months ago, either. Between the election results, and this case, I've been gorging myself.) ;)

4. Regarding Jose, originally I thought he was playing the victim race card with his press conference whine fest. But the more I think about it, I think it was actually a subtle plea for help. He said he is the first Hispanic with such a high-profile case (is he Puerto Rican?) and he would not want to do anything unprofessional, because he's so honored to represent his race. (How touching). Now, to me, that suggests that he's kinda scared to death of screwing up this high-profile case. MOO.

5. What was Casey's countersuit claiming against ZFG? I never understood that. And if she drops the countersuit, can she still claim there was another ZFG? Why would that defense be out the window? I'm trying to understand that. But yeah, she wasn't too bright in pinning the crime on an actual person. She should have gone with the "roving band of hippies" excuse a la Scott Peterson. Same result, though, I hope :D

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it sounds like Mr Morgan is going a little extreme. Now, questions that directly relate to the identity of Zenaida Gonzales, their knowledge of her, that type of thing...isn't that what HIS case is all about? To get into other stuff--did you have anything to do with the death of your daughter--now THAT seems to be out of the realm of this lawsuit, and best left to the criminal trial she faces.

I think Morgan is obligated to at least ask the question, considering that Casey and all the Ants have tried to lay blame on ZFG.

[Gatordog]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy091.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810979/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-001

See pae 47 of 50 - Jesse tells Yuri Melich that Lee told him that Cindy confided to Lee about a fight that got physical on the 15th.

Gator

Also - check out pg 12. On the first day after Cindy's 911 calls, the detective returns the Liar to the house. Before the detectives leaves George confronts him and says both he and Cindy think somerthing happened to Caylee and that their daughter is holding back info.

Also, it had been asked some time ago whether or not the detectives knew that the Liar did not work at Universal before taking her there. The answer is yes. Melich and Allen went to Universal and then after getting all their info, had the Liar brought to Universal and Melich and Allen met her at the security entrance. (pgs 12 and 13)

[javahog]

1. Java says Puerto Ricans are known to use the name Zanny. Isn't ZFG Puerto Rican? Didn't Casey know other Zenaidas in HS? Must be a fairly common name in that area. Casey has quite an active fantasy life, where she uses the first names of people she knows, and different last names. I think she probably just got lucky stumbling on ZFG's info at Sawgrass. Still it is a weird coincidence.

2. ZFG is trying to clear her name (and make some cash, if it's hiding anywhere). Pinning this crime on Casey (where it belongs) clears ZFG. But to win her case, ZFG also has to show that she is the only ZFG that Casey could have been referring to when she made her false accusation. Morgan would depose anyone who could attest to Casey's connection to Sawgrass, her knowledge of details about ZFG's life. I'm not sure how LP helps in that regard, actually, unless they want to ask him what Casey told him about the nanny. They're basically fishing to find the genesis of the "ZFG did it" story. And, I for one, have my popcorn ready for that!

3. I don't think Casey wore a hairpiece; hair can grow about an inch per month, so it's likely her hair is long enough now. I do think it's likely she put on too much weight for any pants or skirts that would have been sent along. Thanks to NG, we know EXACTLY what Casey's been eating. Ha! (Sadly, I can't fit into jeans I wore six months ago, either. Between the election results, and this case, I've been gorging myself.) ;)

4. Regarding Jose, originally I thought he was playing the victim race card with his press conference whine fest. But the more I think about it, I think it was actually a subtle plea for help. He said he is the first Hispanic with such a high-profile case (is he Puerto Rican?) and he would not want to do anything unprofessional, because he's so honored to represent his race. (How touching). Now, to me, that suggests that he's kinda scared to death of screwing up this high-profile case. MOO.

5. What was Casey's countersuit claiming against ZFG? I never understood that. And if she drops the countersuit, can she still claim there was another ZFG? Why would that defense be out the window? I'm trying to understand that. But yeah, she wasn't too bright in pinning the crime on an actual person. She should have gone with the "roving band of hippies" excuse a la Scott Peterson. Same result, though, I hope :D

1. iirc, after poking around, the zenaida dove is the national bird of PR. Maybe its more common with PRs? Where I live now there are mostly Mexicans and Central Americans, and I've never heard it here. It can't be too common...I looked up the ss. death index and there's only over 1000 Zenaidas who've died in the US. It is a weird coincidence.

2. the origin will be pre-this zfg i think. but i don't think it will kill her suit as the details were hers. i can't wait to figure out where it comes from. i hope we learn.

3. i should not speak of weight

4. so quit now for the honor of your people, jb!

5.where did scott peterson get the roving band of hippies idea? it must have been while driving to the Berkeley Marina. so nutty.

[One2Snoop]

One2Snoop, ApplesandOranges, Loretta, Nawny, Mu8Shark - where are you today?

Gator

I'm here! :seeya: I'm multitasking... http://i41.tinypic.com/azbe69.gifhttp://i41.tinypic.com/2mzmv0j.gif

[shadydaisy]

One2Snoop, ApplesandOranges, Loretta, Nawny, Mu8Shark - where are you today?

Gator

I've been peeking over, between meetings at the moment.

I think Lee knew that Casey was not working but went along with the charade. A lot of stuff would tie into that - he knew but just wasn't sharing his information. He may not want to get on the stand and admit that he withheld information.

[javahog]

I've been peeking over, between meetings at the moment.

I think Lee knew that Casey was not working but went along with the charade. A lot of stuff would tie into that - he knew but just wasn't sharing his information. He may not want to get on the stand and admit that he withheld information.

I wonder how much he resented that, her pulling off the big con?

[Native Alien]

This is just a theory but here goes. What if all this time she was referring to Zani the nanny she was talking about Xanax, then she gets online to look up info for the PR trip, and low and behold, the PR national bird appears?

The name of the bird rings a bell or the name of the person suing her catches her attention for the same reason. All because she was looking into going on the trip to PR which she ended up not going and for what reason did she not go?

[javahog]

Yes, what's up with that? What are we, rotten anchovies or sardines or like rotten eggs or somethin like that? What, are you trying to gives us fricken complexes or something?


Geez......................http://i42.tinypic.com/2hn2kq1.jpg
:tongue:



(Also, where is FDinlaw?) Sharlock wheredyago?

hey, you found one of Scotts hippies!

[javahog]

This is just a theory but here goes. What if all this time she was referring to Zani the nanny she was talking about Xanax, then she gets online to look up info for the PR trip, and low and behold, the PR national bird appears?

The name of the bird rings a bell or the name of the person suing her catches her attention for the same reason. All because she was looking into going on the trip to PR which she ended up not going and for what reason did she not go?

I'm sorry, I iird'd wrong...the national bird of Puerto Rico is the reinita but if you are googling PR you get tones of Zenaida dove references... so it could still hold true. I really think she obsessed on it.

[shadydaisy]

I wonder how much he resented that, her pulling off the big con?

Purely speculating but maybe he really didn't care initially. After all, she did have a baby, blah, blah, but maybe he wasn't too happy when she started going out all the time AND pretending to be working.

Then Caylee is missing and his sister was still hanging on to the "I'm a working girl with a Nanny" story which he may have known was complete bull.

I think there's a lot of info in his head that hopefully we'll get to hear.

[Zingo]

I can speak for 99% of the people on this thread..........


Make me lose my job.
Make me lose my home.
Make me lose my good name.
Make my children embarrassed to walk amongst friends.
Make me have to defend myself for no good reason.............

And I'll show you a woman whose name you'll wish you never @#%&ing uttered.

Believe it.

OS, I will never libel you ... EVER :D

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep, there just is "something" about Jose. There are just a bunch of "little" things.

As you mention--having a client, a young, single woman spend upwards of 6 hours in your office every day is kinky. There surely had to have been some other solution to keeping her and George apart--her going back to jail for protection would be one that crossed MY mind.

Hugging his client @ the jail--now, really, Jose. Tell me, are you going to have us believe that you hug ALL your clients in jail? The old, the male? You might WANT us to believe that, but you fall short.

Having a PR firm founded and run by a felon--and I really wonder HOW many people are in that firm? I'm betting one--with multiple names. And, no matter what spin they put on it, Jose HAS acknowledged that Media Corps or whatever the name is, DOES represent HIS office in PR matters. He may deny it, but he DID acknowledge it in public.

How many times has he made motions that were incorrect, either in the motion itself or how he presented it? What reputable lawyer has to be chided on more than one occasion by the presiding judge about doing his own legwork on the case? He just doesn't seem to be all that as a lawyer--and I really haven't seen any improvement since he has others on his team--or does he just not listen to the advise of more experienced lawyers? And, why would THEY stay on the case when the lead attorney seems to be....not exactly clueless, maybe, but close to.

AND, his website that goes NOWHERE. That's just a minor hinky, but really, if you want people to consider hiring you as a lawyer, don't you think links that take you somewhere, anywhere would be a plus? All those tantalizing leads that say they will lead you to his "success" stories--and there is NOTHING!!!! Can't even find the list of other lawyers in the firm.

I wonder about his appointment (or hiring) to the law college--did they put out feelers in trade papers or emails? And he answered? Or, did THEY go to him? Which seems kind of wierd in itself. Who would tap a lawyer embroiled in a HIGH PROFILE case that surely has to take the majority of his working hours to come teach @ the college? You'd think that adding that to his already full plate would be a bit much. Besides, did they LOOK @ any of the things he has said and done in THIS case? Are they not aware that even THE JUDGE does not think he was prepared for the motions he brought forth, and if he can't do THAT right, can he be properly preparing a case for trial which seems to be what he is teaching. :shrug:

Great summary!

[javahog]

the liar was wearing in court. They were blue and get over it.

Now I have a questions. In this ZFG hearing or whatever the heck it is, did the attorney say he was suppeoning all of the Anthony's. Cause I got a feeling George can get out of it with a Medical excuse and I just can't imagine Cindy doing anything but taking the 5th.

I just thought of something, sorry if it was covered some other time. The work pants George last saw Casey in? Grey. The pants with the death smell that Cindy laundered? Grey. The hideous blazer with the pants that did not match? Grey!

Could Cindy be sending a message to Casey by sending the DEATH PANTS BLAZER?!

[lorettalockhorn]

I found the document in one of the evidence documents pertaining to the fight. Cindy told Lee that she choked Casey and Lee told Jesse Grund.

Great find, Gator! It only seems likely that Cindy was the one to confirm the incident.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well in any case, I look forward to seeing LP under oath, just to clear up what he does and doesn't know. I fear he may not spend much more time on the air once that truth gets out.

But he does have relevant information: If Casey never mentioned Zenaida or seemed concerned, there might not BE a Zenaida. Stickers: well, Casey said Zenaida had access to the house, so any stuff inside could be relevant. Cindy and George, did they ever try to talk about Zenaida? If not, makes one wonder if they believed she existed. So...its a deposition, not being on the stand, so it is by nature far-reaching. Ask anything you want, Mr, Morgan! well, okay, within reason...

I'm at a loss as to why LP would be deposed. Even if he's working with LE, wouldn't a lot of his imformation be hearsay?

At any rate, he's probably ecstatic that it's going to be videotaped. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought that was what her a** was for...

Okay, that tears it! I'm way behind and y'all keep cracking me up with your pocket pool and pork rind comments. LMFAO

[javahog]

I'm at a loss as to why LP would be deposed. Even if he's working with LE, wouldn't a lot of his imformation be hearsay?

At any rate, he's probably ecstatic that it's going to be videotaped. :hat:

Mr. Padilla, please list your 'confidential" sources.

Clerk, please file subpeonas for them.

lol!

[lorettalockhorn]

Get over it? Blue pants, blue pants. blue pants, blue pants, blue pants, blue pants. Okay I think I've got it out of my system now.

Gator

LMAO Fugly, tight, highwater blue pants!

With *gasp* white socks!!

[lorettalockhorn]

?power suit? that's nuts.

I know! Gonna start hanging out with her so she'll tell everyone about my designer clothes. :hat:

[javahog]

Naw that would just be way too cool. C is just not that. She thinks she is innocent for the most part. Now would i do that-absofriginlutely. Would it affect the Liar-Not. MOO

Maybe supporting her is an appearances thing, but she might not be beyond sending a barb her way, that only Casey might understand. The blazer without the matching pants and the Caylee bracelet (especially if the bracelet was in the blazer pocket and not the socks)...sounds like a dig to me!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm here! :seeya: I'm multitasking... http://i41.tinypic.com/azbe69.gifhttp://i41.tinypic.com/2mzmv0j.gif

Me too! I'm multi-slacking. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

This is just a theory but here goes. What if all this time she was referring to Zani the nanny she was talking about Xanax, then she gets online to look up info for the PR trip, and low and behold, the PR national bird appears?

The name of the bird rings a bell or the name of the person suing her catches her attention for the same reason. All because she was looking into going on the trip to PR which she ended up not going and for what reason did she not go?

I like it! All she had to do was find a Zenaida to fit the bill. (Not the dove's bill. Her bill of goods.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe supporting her is an appearances thing, but she might not be beyond sending a barb her way, that only Casey might understand. The blazer without the matching pants and the Caylee bracelet (especially if the bracelet was in the blazer pocket and not the socks)...sounds like a dig to me!

And wouldn't it be just like Cindy to send some wonky mixed signal? "Yes, I love you, here are some street clothes for the hearing. Oops! It the death pants blazer with a Caylee bracelet to wear with."

Kinda goes along with her calling Casey a sociopath and then insisting that she's a good mother. Goes along with her choking the skank and then insisting that she's a good mother. She's like most everyone associated with the case; talks out both sides of her mouth.

[lorettalockhorn]

Me three-sitting in my den of slack :hat:

LOL I've got 26 minutes before time to get into the shower; I better get on the stick!

[crowamongdoves]

Maybe supporting her is an appearances thing, but she might not be beyond sending a barb her way, that only Casey might understand. The blazer without the matching pants and the Caylee bracelet (especially if the bracelet was in the blazer pocket and not the socks)...sounds like a dig to me!

ITA I think Cindy may be supporting Liar publicly but deep down she has to know the truth and considering the animosity between the two of them I could see her throwing a dig at her daughter. I for one wouldn't blame her considering the way she treated Cindy in those videos.

[javahog]

And wouldn't it be just like Cindy to send some wonky mixed signal? "Yes, I love you, here are some street clothes for the hearing. Oops! It the death pants blazer with a Caylee bracelet to wear with."

Kinda goes along with her calling Casey a sociopath and then insisting that she's a good mother. Goes along with her choking the skank and then insisting that she's a good mother. She's like most everyone associated with the case; talks out both sides of her mouth.

With Cindy, her first instincts are often correct. I just wish she's have more follow-through. Especially on the evening of June 15, 2008!

[Twinners]

2. ZFG is trying to clear her name (and make some cash, if it's hiding anywhere).
The "make some cash" part of her lawsuit is really bugging me. I understand her life may have been somewhat disrupted because of what Casey said, but I don't think that disruption entitles ZFG to profit from little Caylee's death, which is exactly what I feel like she is doing. Does anyone else feel that way?

This is just a theory but here goes. What if all this time she was referring to Zani the nanny she was talking about Xanax, then she gets online to look up info for the PR trip, and low and behold, the PR national bird appears?
I hope not! If Richard Grund is to be believed, Zanny became Caylee's nanny back in 2006 when Casey and Jesse were still together!

[javahog]

The "make some cash" part of her lawsuit is really bugging me. I understand her life may have been somewhat disrupted because of what Casey said, but I don't think that disruption entitles ZFG to profit from little Caylee's death, which is exactly what I feel like she is doing. Does anyone else feel that way?


I hope not! If Richard Grund is to be believed, Zanny became Caylee's nanny back in 2006 when Casey and Jesse were still together!

I think of it more as compensation, not profiting. It is devastating to lose a job without warning, and unemployment doesn't give you the same amount. She would have had to change her phone numbers to unlisted, maybe stayed with friends or in a hotel for a few days to avoid press. And how long would it take to get another job with her name? George couldn't get one. So she'll be lucky to break even, and that's only if Casey has a secret "my story" stash. Its like when I had a car accident: I didn't want to make a profit off it, but I darn sure wasn't going to be short one penny since it was the other guys total fault.

I look forward to seeing Richard Grund under oath. Jesse's dates make way more sense to me. Why would RG have more info than his son? We'll see...

[Gatordog]

The "make some cash" part of her lawsuit is really bugging me. I understand her life may have been somewhat disrupted because of what Casey said, but I don't think that disruption entitles ZFG to profit from little Caylee's death, which is exactly what I feel like she is doing. Does anyone else feel that way?


I hope not! If Richard Grund is to be believed, Zanny became Caylee's nanny back in 2006 when Casey and Jesse were still together!

No

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

The "make some cash" part of her lawsuit is really bugging me. I understand her life may have been somewhat disrupted because of what Casey said, but I don't think that disruption entitles ZFG to profit from little Caylee's death, which is exactly what I feel like she is doing. Does anyone else feel that way?


I hope not! If Richard Grund is to be believed, Zanny became Caylee's nanny back in 2006 when Casey and Jesse were still together!

Somewhat disrupted? According to Morgan, besides losing her job, ZFG has lost her home and has received threatening and/or hate mail and her children have been subjected to ridicule. She is not directly profiting from Caylee's death; that is a maze that Casey built.

[Gatordog]

Someone who is web savy please read page 2 of this document. This documeny states that the Caylee is Missing page was actually created 10/23/06.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony

[javahog]

Someone who is web savy please read page 2 of this document. This documeny states that the Caylee is Missing page was actually created 10/23/06.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony

I don't think it is sinister...if you go all the way to the bottom, someone explains it...

[Amy]

but they were ugly blue pants....

I think all called, no way they'll make GA do it. He's likely on meds. Maybe she is too for all we know...but...can they take the 5th? If it can be demonstrated that the question doesn't incriminate them, won't they be in contempt?

Being on medications will not preclude one from answering questions in a deposition. Now, if the meds were started one day and the deposition that day or the next, sure. But once the person is functioning and the medications aren't causing mental disturbances, there is no reason for "meds" to be a reason to not be deposed, or to not testify. The medications are to help the person function.

[Amy]

Amy, if I recall correctly, those were e-mails.

Thanks. I tho't they were more like emails, but when I looked @ the post leading to the link, and the top of the page, I figured, what do I know--it seemed to indicate text messages.

[Gatordog]

Bob Kealing WESH reports that both Cindy and George met with Baez today because they want Caylee's remains released and they want her to be buried.

Gator

[Amy]

OT: But Nancy Grace called that ill-fitting garment a power suit last night!

Did anyone else notice that the night the news broke about the Caylee bracelet, NG showed a pic of a blue bracelet similar to the one Cindy was shown wearing in the People Magazine?

That's what she was calling it the day of the hearing, too. Guess she hasn't changed her tune on that. Even after just about everyone else on her show says, jacket or blazer, never SUIT, some even mention the pants don't match, etc. I don't know, but, to ME SUIT means both items of wear match, or coordinate in someway. ESPECIALLY a POWER suit!!! lol

[Amy]

1. iirc, after poking around, the zenaida dove is the national bird of PR. Maybe its more common with PRs? Where I live now there are mostly Mexicans and Central Americans, and I've never heard it here. It can't be too common...I looked up the ss. death index and there's only over 1000 Zenaidas who've died in the US. It is a weird coincidence.

2. the origin will be pre-this zfg i think. but i don't think it will kill her suit as the details were hers. i can't wait to figure out where it comes from. i hope we learn.

3. i should not speak of weight

4. so quit now for the honor of your people, jb!

5.where did scott peterson get the roving band of hippies idea? it must have been while driving to the Berkeley Marina. so nutty.

#4--I agree, or @ least he should be taking the advise of the power legal team he has assembled--and if the result of their "help" and "advice" is what he is doing now, he needs to get different members on his team!!! How's about Roy Black? Isn't he a noted defense attorney in FL?

#5. I do believe the hippies came from the fact that there was an island or "bulb" out near the marina where there was all kinds of "art" that some could depict as having to do with death. (But, it's been a while since I heard/read the info.)

[Amy]

Okay, that tears it! I'm way behind and y'all keep cracking me up with your pocket pool and pork rind comments. LMFAO

Just keep your cawfee (do you say it that way in AR?) away from the keyboard!!!

[Justice Denied?]

Yes, George was working and didn't get home until after 11:30 pm. As to the chloroform - I would not keep it in the house where it could be found. I'd keep it in the car. If she used Special K or something else like that, it could have been in her purse. Since she took the duct tape and used it for the no clothes party, I'm thinking she might have had that in her car too. I don't believe George's statement on what Caylee was wearing. Those clothes found at the burial site seem to match what she was wearing on the 15th with her greatgrandpa.

Okay, I've got two theories on that. (1) She wouldn't wear the same thing two days in a row, so she had on something different. Hence, george's statement. Maybe the clothes were in the hamper and Casey threw Caylee in on top of them. Hence, George's statement. (2) Caylee was killed the night of the 15th-early 16th and still had on the same clothes she wore to visit Cindy's dad.

[Justice Denied?]

That's it! Padilla did it. Where to hide? In plain sight, highest possible profile!

(uh, j/k lp)

Was just about to type the same thing when I saw your message. I knew we could solve this if we kept at it. Padilla kidnapped and killed Caylee and Casey is scared of him so she won't tell. Works for me . LOL JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Just keep your cawfee (do you say it that way in AR?) away from the keyboard!!!

HAH! The most dire threat to my keyboard is potato chip crumbs!

(I say cough' e, but I've certainly heard cawfee!)

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, I've got two theories on that. (1) She wouldn't wear the same thing two days in a row, so she had on something different. Hence, george's statement. Maybe the clothes were in the hamper and Casey threw Caylee in on top of them. Hence, George's statement. (2) Caylee was killed the night of the 15th-early 16th and still had on the same clothes she wore to visit Cindy's dad.

JD, at this point I could go with either one of those theories. I wonder do we know if the clothes bag came from the Ants'? Was theirs missing? Was it reported missing? (For that matter, was the Winnie The Pooh blanket reported missing?) Did Caylee have a jeans skirt like George reportedly saw her in? (That's still so amazing to me that he would notice what Caylee was wearing, period. I mean, he didn't notice that Casey didn't have a paycheck??) How many of Caylee's clothes are accounted (or not) for? Casey took Caylee to bond with her, but how many of her clothes did she take? Or was Zanny providing an entire wardrobe for her?

So much BS; so little time!

[lorettalockhorn]

Was just about to type the same thing when I saw your message. I knew we could solve this if we kept at it. Padilla kidnapped and killed Caylee and Casey is scared of him so she won't tell. Works for me . LOL JMO

AHA! LP is the daisy chain.

[Justice Denied?]

I've been peeking over, between meetings at the moment.

I think Lee knew that Casey was not working but went along with the charade. A lot of stuff would tie into that - he knew but just wasn't sharing his information. He may not want to get on the stand and admit that he withheld information.

Something I caught today while reading George's statement again. Remember when Casey was supposedly robbed of $4000 while working at the Sports Authority. OK, george knows she's not at Universal because she works at Sports Authority. He talks to the manager there and finds out she's not employed there either. But on June 16th she walks out of the house to go work at Universal. Huh? Whhat? "Scuse me..........

[lorettalockhorn]

Something I caught today while reading George's statement again. Remember when Casey was supposedly robbed of $4000 while working at the Sports Authority. OK, george knows she's not at Universal because she works at Sports Authority. He talks to the manager there and finds out she's not employed there either. But on June 16th she walks out of the house to go work at Universal. Huh? Whhat? "Scuse me..........

None of it makes sense (to those of us who live in and face reality). Why is it that we so badly want to know where the heck Casey was going everyday and why she needed a nanny? But G&C don't?!

As for Dazy's comment about Lee; don't you really, really want to know when exactly he is going to talk? Is he going to take the fifth when and if this goes to trial?

Dazy, you work too hard; take a day off!

[Justice Denied?]

I just thought of something, sorry if it was covered some other time. The work pants George last saw Casey in? Grey. The pants with the death smell that Cindy laundered? Grey. The hideous blazer with the pants that did not match? Grey!

Could Cindy be sending a message to Casey by sending the DEATH PANTS BLAZER?!

WOW! Some of you people are so observant and so analytical! That is certainly something to think about.

[eatcupcakes]

None of it makes sense (to those of us who live in and face reality). Why is it that we so badly want to know where the heck Casey was going everyday and why she needed a nanny? But G&C don't?!

As for Dazy's comment about Lee; don't you really, really want to know when exactly he is going to talk? Is he going to take the fifth when and if this goes to trial?

Dazy, you work too hard; take a day off!

I think you are all making yourself crazy trying to figure this whole emsamble cast of defunctional charectors out. I am sure LE is doing that. I don't say much because I really think this is a cut and dry case and when they have the trial it will all fall into place. No one else did this but the Liar, she was tired of her daughter and the responsibilities of being a mother. As far as Lee is concerned, it is not unusual for adult sibs to share secrets from their parents. If Lee knew she was not working and that she was clubing alot that is not so unusual or a crime. If Cindy tryed to choke the Liar is was not because she thought KC was not a good mother it was because she stole from her grandmother and grandfather. Cindy's crime is not confronting and throwing her out sooner. She could have said to her, you leave now and you are not taking Caylee or I will turn you into the police. She didn't do that and of course hind site is 20/20 but I bet she wishes she had done that.

As for George, he is all screwed up, maybe he remembers what Caylee was wearing or maybe he thinks he remembers. I don't think he is lying about that.
This is a sad sad story and their are no winners here only losers.

[javahog]

#4--I agree, or @ least he should be taking the advise of the power legal team he has assembled--and if the result of their "help" and "advice" is what he is doing now, he needs to get different members on his team!!! How's about Roy Black? Isn't he a noted defense attorney in FL?

#5. I do believe the hippies came from the fact that there was an island or "bulb" out near the marina where there was all kinds of "art" that some could depict as having to do with death. (But, it's been a while since I heard/read the info.)

Oh, I remember it now! They were so libeled/slandered what ever the term is. They should have sued Scott Peterson! They were just a group of artists who kind of made an outdoor studio space for themselves-and they were totally average folks for Berkeley and they were so harassed after that happened. And I think any kind of socially motivated art could be interpreted as "death" but that's just the art critic in me. I know its off topic, but what is it with sociopaths blaming anyone out of the mainstream for their murdering ways?!

[javahog]

Something I caught today while reading George's statement again. Remember when Casey was supposedly robbed of $4000 while working at the Sports Authority. OK, george knows she's not at Universal because she works at Sports Authority. He talks to the manager there and finds out she's not employed there either. But on June 16th she walks out of the house to go work at Universal. Huh? Whhat? "Scuse me..........

What dates did she allegedly work at Sports Authority? Could it have been before Universal? In her e-mail Cindy sure sounds like she thinks she works there...I mean, she's worried about the merger and job security.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think you are all making yourself crazy trying to figure this whole emsamble cast of defunctional charectors out. I am sure LE is doing that. I don't say much because I really think this is a cut and dry case and when they have the trial it will all fall into place. No one else did this but the Liar, she was tired of her daughter and the responsibilities of being a mother. As far as Lee is concerned, it is not unusual for adult sibs to share secrets from their parents. If Lee knew she was not working and that she was clubing alot that is not so unusual or a crime. If Cindy tryed to choke the Liar is was not because she thought KC was not a good mother it was because she stole from her grandmother and grandfather. Cindy's crime is not confronting and throwing her out sooner. She could have said to her, you leave now and you are not taking Caylee or I will turn you into the police. She didn't do that and of course hind site is 20/20 but I bet she wishes she had done that.

As for George, he is all screwed up, maybe he remembers what Caylee was wearing or maybe he thinks he remembers. I don't think he is lying about that.
This is a sad sad story and their are no winners here only losers.

And I think it's a) none of your business IF I'm crazy, or b) why.

Why are any of us here, including you, if not to try to figure out the crime and the ensemble cast? I mean, really? Oh wait, here you are possibly driving yourself crazy theorizing. :rolleyes:

[javahog]

And I think it's a) none of your business IF I'm crazy, or b) why.

Why are any of us here, including you, if not to try to figure out the crime and the ensemble cast? I mean, really? Oh wait, here you are possibly driving yourself crazy theorizing. :rolleyes:

That's it. My life is pointless. I'm going out to join Operation Smile and help fix international cleft palates...wait, I don't know how. I'll just go back to driving myself crazy...

[browneyes106]

What dates did she allegedly work at Sports Authority? Could it have been before Universal? In her e-mail Cindy sure sounds like she thinks she works there...I mean, she's worried about the merger and job security.

I have been wondering about the dates of her alleged employment at Sports Authority too.

[Justice Denied?]

JD, at this point I could go with either one of those theories. I wonder do we know if the clothes bag came from the Ants'? Was theirs missing? Was it reported missing? (For that matter, was the Winnie The Pooh blanket reported missing?) Did Caylee have a jeans skirt like George reportedly saw her in? (That's still so amazing to me that he would notice what Caylee was wearing, period. I mean, he didn't notice that Casey didn't have a paycheck??) How many of Caylee's clothes are accounted (or not) for? Casey took Caylee to bond with her, but how many of her clothes did she take? Or was Zanny providing an entire wardrobe for her?

So much BS; so little time!

Give me a break! I don't know if the Anthony's or not. As I said before my GD had a Winnie the Pooh hamper to keep her baby's clothes separate from the family laundry and every time they say hamper I see caylee being dumped in THAT hamper. No one has ever said anything like that, just in my mind.

Gerge knew Casey didn't have a job and Cindy probably did too. Why didn't they confront her? Who knows? Was the who darn famly playing a game of let's pretend?

If Casey took Caylee o bond with her, why would she even be seeing Zani? And why did she claim to be in jJacksonville with some guy?

[javahog]

I have been wondering about the dates of her alleged employment at Sports Authority too.

Maybe we should read the police blotter to look for "robberies", lol!

[Gatordog]

That's it. My life is pointless. I'm going out to join Operation Smile and help fix international cleft palates...wait, I don't know how. I'll just go back to driving myself crazy...

No sense driving yourself crazy on your own. Might as well get a bus because we are all going there with you. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-transport014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

None of it makes sense (to those of us who live in and face reality). Why is it that we so badly want to know where the heck Casey was going everyday and why she needed a nanny? But G&C don't?!

As for Dazy's comment about Lee; don't you really, really want to know when exactly he is going to talk? Is he going to take the fifth when and if this goes to trial?

Dazy, you work too hard; take a day off!

Yes, I would love to hear Lee's version of this whole mess.

[javahog]

Give me a break! I don't know if the Anthony's or not. As I said before my GD had a Winnie the Pooh hamper to keep her baby's clothes separate from the family laundry and every time they say hamper I see caylee being dumped in THAT hamper. No one has ever said anything like that, just in my mind.

Gerge knew Casey didn't have a job and Cindy probably did too. Why didn't they confront her? Who knows? Was the who darn famly playing a game of let's pretend?

If Casey took Caylee o bond with her, why would she even be seeing Zani? And why did she claim to be in jJacksonville with some guy?

They were frantic but playing the game of don't rile up the crazy one. That always works okay in families with mental illness...until the day comes it doesn't...

[eatcupcakes]

And I think it's a) none of your business IF I'm crazy, or b) why.

Why are any of us here, including you, if not to try to figure out the crime and the ensemble cast? I mean, really? Oh wait, here you are possibly driving yourself crazy theorizing. :rolleyes:



I was not critcizing i was just comenting that you are concentrating intently on very superficial things. For instance the clothes KC wore in court or if George really remembers what Caylee was wearing on the 15th or 16th. These are not things that are going to prove the Liar is guilty. These are not important things when I comes to proving anything. But your right it is none of my business and if this is what u want to do instead of contrating on how she killed the kid or why, than go right ahead.

[javahog]

No sense driving yourself crazy on your own. Might as well get a bus because we are all going there with you. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-transport014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

Oooh, can I be the one in the back giving the cops the bird? I was always the "good" kid!

[Gatordog]

I've given up reading any more documents for tonight, I can barely see straight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Just a reminder that Lie To Me is on tonight on Fox.

Gator

[javahog]

I have been thinking on the theory you's threw out earlier. Maybe C did send the bracelet and jacket as a message to Liar. Perhaps she is moving on to acceptance. I guess we should get a slant on where she is coming from in the upcoming depositions. Hopefully. I sure am worried about G being back in that house tho. Especially if he has in the back of his mind that Caylee may have been murdered there. It's gotta be tough.:rose:

I have no idea how they can stay there, but I guess what else could you do? Hotels are expensive, no family support left, can't sell it...Poor George, he really shouldn't be there...

[javahog]

I've given up reading any more documents for tonight, I can barely see straight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Just a reminder that Lie To Me is on tonight on Fox.

Gator

Thank you for all your work today Gator!

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys Try To Plan Caylee's Funeral
Attorney Says Lee Happy To Have Father Home

POSTED: 10:45 am EST February 4, 2009
UPDATED: 6:33 pm EST February 4, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- With George Anthony, Caylee Anthony's grandfather, out of inpatient psychiatric care he and his wife, Cindy, are trying to plan the funeral for their grandaughter.

George Anthony was released from the hospital during the evening hours, and his family reportedly opted to take him home instead of to another treatment facility.

A source told WESH 2 the family also made extensive plans to get him out of the hospital away from the camera's eye.

WESH 2 is honoring the family's request not to camp out outside the Anthony home.

Lee Anthony's lawyer said this is time they all need to try to heal as a family.

Lee Anthony's sister, Casey Anthony, is in jail charged with the death of her daughter, Caylee.

A source close to the family told WESH 2 they used multiple vehicles and an alternate exit to get George Anthony out of Halifax Medical Center and away from the public eye. He'd been staying there ever since he checked in to a Daytona Beach motel and took an undetermined amount of pills and alcohol in an apparent attempt to end his life.

George Anthony's son's lawyer said Lee Anthony is glad to have his father safe at home.

"He's very happy to be back in town and he's very happy to be with his family and continues to spend time with his father who's now out of the hospital and really try to begin to emotionally heal from this entire event," attorney Tom Luka said.

That process will include finally saying goodbye to Caylee, whose remains were discovered almost two months ago in a wooded area near the Anthony family home.

The Anthonys have been subpoenaed to testify under oath in the Zendaida Gonzalez civil suit against Casey Anthony. She said her reputation has been damaged by false allegations made by Casey Anthony.

Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, said he wants to depose the Anthonys in front of the press.

"Then we have some surprise questions for them they may have some difficulty answering," he said.

Luka said Lee Anthony will have very little to say about that claim, and that Morgan's idea to conduct public depositions won't be allowed by the judge.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18638266/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Oooh, can I be the one in the back giving the cops the bird? I was always the "good" kid!

Ok but Joe K has to drive. Guys always like to drive. We gals can sit in the back drinking hagnog. But there will be no moons out the windows. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/moon.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[javahog]

I was not critcizing i was just comenting that you are concentrating intently on very superficial things. For instance the clothes KC wore in court or if George really remembers what Caylee was wearing on the 15th or 16th. These are not things that are going to prove the Liar is guilty. These are not important things when I comes to proving anything. But your right it is none of my business and if this is what u want to do instead of contrating on how she killed the kid or why, than go right ahead.

Well, the day Caylee was last seen is actually really pertinent for that. The clothes, not as important, but they might give clues to a family mindset and possible support/testimony issues...superficial would be "damn, did you see how bulbous her nose is?" since that would not be pertinent.

[javahog]

Ok but Joe K has to drive. Guys always like to drive. We gals can sit in the back drinking hagnog. But there will be no moons out the windows. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/moon.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

That's okay. The windows aren't big enough in my case!

[One2Snoop]

If Kronk has done nothing wrong and the police have cleared him why does he need continued legal representation? :shrug:

Roy Kronk May Have To Start Paying Own Legal Fees

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 – updated: 3:43 pm EST February 4, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The county employee who found the body of Caylee Anthony might soon have to start paying his own legal bills. Until now, Orange County has been paying a law firm to represent former meter reader Roy Kronk.

So far, the county has paid more than $7,500 dollars. It was an effort to help Kronk maintain privacy.

Wednesday, a county watchdog group told Eyewitness News that's excessive.

"Owing a debt of gratitude doesn't allow the taxpayer to be taken advantage of," said Michael Walzak of CountyWatch.

Kronk is no longer working as a meter reader. He's now working at a county utility warehouse and says he wants to be out of the public eye.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18641180/detail.html#-

[javahog]

If Kronk has done nothing wrong and the police have cleared him why does he need continued legal representation? :shrug:

Roy Kronk May Have To Start Paying Own Legal Fees

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 – updated: 3:43 pm EST February 4, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The county employee who found the body of Caylee Anthony might soon have to start paying his own legal bills. Until now, Orange County has been paying a law firm to represent former meter reader Roy Kronk.

So far, the county has paid more than $7,500 dollars. It was an effort to help Kronk maintain privacy.

Wednesday, a county watchdog group told Eyewitness News that's excessive.

"Owing a debt of gratitude doesn't allow the taxpayer to be taken advantage of," said Michael Walzak of CountyWatch.

Kronk is no longer working as a meter reader. He's now working at a county utility warehouse and says he wants to be out of the public eye.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18641180/detail.html#-

Good question. If he's just a witness, well, do all witnesses need lawyers? And I know when I worked for the City we would be covered if something happened in the course of our official duties...but is either a) illegal peeing or b) sleuthing under that umbrella? I'm not going back to my handbook, I say no. It was nice if them to cover this far.

[Gatordog]

I was not critcizing i was just comenting that you are concentrating intently on very superficial things. For instance the clothes KC wore in court or if George really remembers what Caylee was wearing on the 15th or 16th. These are not things that are going to prove the Liar is guilty. These are not important things when I comes to proving anything. But your right it is none of my business and if this is what u want to do instead of contrating on how she killed the kid or why, than go right ahead.

Cupcakes, IMO if you look at the big picture, you will see that what George says is very important because the police based their original timeline on George's word that Caylee was alive and in the home until 1 pm. Why would he lie about the time he saw Caylee and why would he give false info to the police other than to protect the killer? Do you think it would help the jury if they were presented with false statements? These things may not prove the Liar is guilty but they muddy the water.

At times this case has made us all a little wacky. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/taunt.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Well, the day Caylee was last seen is actually really pertinent for that. The clothes, not as important, but they might give clues to a family mindset and possible support/testimony issues...superficial would be "damn, did you see how bulbous her nose is?" since that would not be pertinent.

Who is that person in the nasty gray jacket? Was that Casey Anthony or Karl Malden?

http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-002.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

That's it. My life is pointless. I'm going out to join Operation Smile and help fix international cleft palates...wait, I don't know how. I'll just go back to driving myself crazy...

I think Operation Smile is such a neat charity. A lot of people don't realize how closely nutrition is tied in to the structure of the mouth and dentition. Alas, I don't know how to fix cleft palates either!

I love being crazy here; such good company for the most part. And it's Casey who's making me crazy. No matter what Leroy says. LMFAO

[lorettalockhorn]

Give me a break! I don't know if the Anthony's or not. As I said before my GD had a Winnie the Pooh hamper to keep her baby's clothes separate from the family laundry and every time they say hamper I see caylee being dumped in THAT hamper. No one has ever said anything like that, just in my mind.

Gerge knew Casey didn't have a job and Cindy probably did too. Why didn't they confront her? Who knows? Was the who darn famly playing a game of let's pretend?

If Casey took Caylee o bond with her, why would she even be seeing Zani? And why did she claim to be in jJacksonville with some guy?

I think all of these questions will be asked in depositions and again at trial. Especially (the blankie and the laundry bag) since Zani had a key to the house. *wink wink* *nudge nudge* Never mind that G&C are probably the only two people on the face of this earth besides me* who are so OCD that they would notice if the nap on the carpet had been disturbed.

*Disclaimer I have never been diagnosed as OCD and being able to pick nits with the best of them does not interfere with the everyday duties of my life. :hat:

[Justice Denied?]

No sense driving yourself crazy on your own. Might as well get a bus because we are all going there with you. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-transport014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

One of the best laughs lately.:hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been thinking on the theory you's threw out earlier. Maybe C did send the bracelet and jacket as a message to Liar. Perhaps she is moving on to acceptance. I guess we should get a slant on where she is coming from in the upcoming depositions. Hopefully. I sure am worried about G being back in that house tho. Especially if he has in the back of his mind that Caylee may have been murdered there. It's gotta be tough.:rose:

God bless George, let's hope there's a new order there. One that doesn't include the belittling that he's endured in the past. Don't think I could go into that house, let alone live there.

[deputydi]

I think you are all making yourself crazy trying to figure this whole emsamble cast of defunctional charectors out. I am sure LE is doing that. I don't say much because I really think this is a cut and dry case and when they have the trial it will all fall into place. No one else did this but the Liar, she was tired of her daughter and the responsibilities of being a mother. As far as Lee is concerned, it is not unusual for adult sibs to share secrets from their parents. If Lee knew she was not working and that she was clubing alot that is not so unusual or a crime. If Cindy tryed to choke the Liar is was not because she thought KC was not a good mother it was because she stole from her grandmother and grandfather. Cindy's crime is not confronting and throwing her out sooner. She could have said to her, you leave now and you are not taking Caylee or I will turn you into the police. She didn't do that and of course hind site is 20/20 but I bet she wishes she had done that.

As for George, he is all screwed up, maybe he remembers what Caylee was wearing or maybe he thinks he remembers. I don't think he is lying about that.
This is a sad sad story and their are no winners here only losers.
I totally agree with you. I've had to step away from this case for a few days because I don't see any point in trying to figure out what makes this family tick. They are dysfunctional with a capital D and trying to understand them is an exercise in futility.

I would rather talk about the legal points of the case and not what may or may not be a hidden reason for the suit Casey wore to her hearing.

I think Loretta's response to your post was kind of nasty and undeserved.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was not critcizing i was just comenting that you are concentrating intently on very superficial things. For instance the clothes KC wore in court or if George really remembers what Caylee was wearing on the 15th or 16th. These are not things that are going to prove the Liar is guilty. These are not important things when I comes to proving anything. But your right it is none of my business and if this is what u want to do instead of contrating on how she killed the kid or why, than go right ahead.

So Fwhat? Maybe I'm a very superficial person.

If George is lying about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, whether it's because he was browbeaten or providing an alibi for Casey, etc, it's important. Don't believe me? Look at Casey's indictment which includes charges of lying to investigators.

Why do you care what I concentrate on? Have I not posted enough about manner and method of death to your satisfaction? Because that is what I strive for. :rolleyes: Good Lord.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've given up reading any more documents for tonight, I can barely see straight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Just a reminder that Lie To Me is on tonight on Fox.

Gator

Thanks for poring through that for us. Docstocs freezes my laptop, and I can only imagine what it would do to my desktop.

Thanks for the reminder.

[Justice Denied?]

I think Operation Smile is such a neat charity. A lot of people don't realize how closely nutrition is tied in to the structure of the mouth and dentition. Alas, I don't know how to fix cleft palates either!

I love being crazy here; such good company for the most part. And it's Casey who's making me crazy. No matter what Leroy says. LMFAO
What? Is Leroy trying to take credit for your being crazy?

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok but Joe K has to drive. Guys always like to drive. We gals can sit in the back drinking hagnog. But there will be no moons out the windows. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/moon.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

http://i44.tinypic.com/90sfis.jpg

99 bottles of beer on the wall
99 bottles of beeeeeerrrrrrrrrrr
Take one down
Pass it around.............

http://i44.tinypic.com/90sfis.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, the day Caylee was last seen is actually really pertinent for that. The clothes, not as important, but they might give clues to a family mindset and possible support/testimony issues...superficial would be "damn, did you see how bulbous her nose is?" since that would not be pertinent.

DAMN! Her teeth are so big, I forgot to look at her nose!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deputydi]

Cupcakes, IMO if you look at the big picture, you will see that what George says is very important because the police based their original timeline on George's word that Caylee was alive and in the home until 1 pm. Why would he lie about the time he saw Caylee and why would he give false info to the police other than to protect the killer? Do you think it would help the jury if they were presented with false statements? These things may not prove the Liar is guilty but they muddy the water.

At times this case has made us all a little wacky. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/taunt.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator
Do you really believe George deliberately lied about seeing Casey and Caylee? I admit I haven't completely caught up on the postings, so maybe I have misunderstood something. I believe that Casey and Cindy had the argument on the 15th and Cindy probably went for her daughter's throat when confronting her about the theft. Casey may or may not have stormed out that night (does anyone really know?). I believe George did see Casey and Caylee the next day and that was the day Caylee died.

The facts are not all that complicated and not really hard to believe. A whole lot more than that is needed to prove Casey murdered her baby. What happened the night of the 15th probably won't even make it into evidence cause it proves nothing. From what I've read and heard, Casey and Cindy have had a pretty volatile relationship for a long time and these fights were nothing unusual.

If any of this information makes it into trial, it will be through police reports and not through the testimony of either Cindy or George. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe right now -- given what we know at this point.

[lorettalockhorn]

I totally agree with you. I've had to step away from this case for a few days because I don't see any point in trying to figure out what makes this family tick. They are dysfunctional with a capital D and trying to understand them is an exercise in futility.

I would rather talk about the legal points of the case and not what may or may not be a hidden reason for the suit Casey wore to her hearing.

I think Loretta's response to your post was kind of nasty and undeserved.

Well, I'll certainly keep my mouth shut the next time someone singles out my mental health instead of scrolling on past my posts, just because you think I'm rude instead of the nasty cupcake. :rolleyes:

There are legal points to much of what is going on in the courtroom with regard to how Casey is perceived; it's a matter of testifying without taking an oath or actually saying anything.

I'm not the only one discussing such superficial things, but I'll be glad to step forward and tell you whiners to bugger off.

[lorettalockhorn]

What? Is Leroy trying to take credit for your being crazy?

Naw. He thinks it's because I post too much about Casey's power suit vs. jailhouse PJs and don't bow and scape but instead make nasty responses to criticism about my mental health. And how in the world could a 66 year old man (GOING ON SIX) make me crazy?!? LMAO

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta brings so..... much to this board. I personally look at the minutia. It's the sum of it all that got us all here and this horrific crime. Slow news times tend to lend itself to scrutinizing other items. Some of them do figure in greatly. Those not interested can just skim over. MOO :rose:

Scrolliosis is debilitating.

[deputydi]

Well, I'll certainly keep my mouth shut the next time someone singles out my mental health instead of scrolling on past my posts, just because you think I'm rude instead of the nasty cupcake. :rolleyes:

There are legal points to much of what is going on in the courtroom with regard to how Casey is perceived; it's a matter of testifying without taking an oath or actually saying anything.

I'm not the only one discussing such superficial things, but I'll be glad to step forward and tell you whiners to bugger off.

Loretta, please don't take any of this personally. I just don't think cupcake meant anything insulting directed to you or anyone else.

I enjoy reading what I consider useless minutia -- I just don't have anything to contribute so I just read. Honest, it's okay and usually entertaining.

[javahog]

Do you really believe George deliberately lied about seeing Casey and Caylee? I admit I haven't completely caught up on the postings, so maybe I have misunderstood something. I believe that Casey and Cindy had the argument on the 15th and Cindy probably went for her daughter's throat when confronting her about the theft. Casey may or may not have stormed out that night (does anyone really know?). I believe George did see Casey and Caylee the next day and that was the day Caylee died.

The facts are not all that complicated and not really hard to believe. A whole lot more than that is needed to prove Casey murdered her baby. What happened the night of the 15th probably won't even make it into evidence cause it proves nothing. From what I've read and heard, Casey and Cindy have had a pretty volatile relationship for a long time and these fights were nothing unusual.

If any of this information makes it into trial, it will be through police reports and not through the testimony of either Cindy or George. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe right now -- given what we know at this point.

The events of the night of the 15th could be important as to motive. Cindy had found out that Casey had stolen and apparently decided she'd had enough. Reports suggest she threatened to cut Casey off and get custody of Caylee. The next day, SA believes Casey murdered Caylee.

This sounds like an admissible motivational event to me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Do you really believe George deliberately lied about seeing Casey and Caylee? I admit I haven't completely caught up on the postings, so maybe I have misunderstood something. I believe that Casey and Cindy had the argument on the 15th and Cindy probably went for her daughter's throat when confronting her about the theft. Casey may or may not have stormed out that night (does anyone really know?). I believe George did see Casey and Caylee the next day and that was the day Caylee died.

The facts are not all that complicated and not really hard to believe. A whole lot more than that is needed to prove Casey murdered her baby. What happened the night of the 15th probably won't even make it into evidence cause it proves nothing. From what I've read and heard, Casey and Cindy have had a pretty volatile relationship for a long time and these fights were nothing unusual.

If any of this information makes it into trial, it will be through police reports and not through the testimony of either Cindy or George. I could be wrong, but that's what I believe right now -- given what we know at this point.

I think it's very possible that George lied. And it's critical IMO because the events of the 15th could very well be what pushed Casey over the edge and caused her to go ahead with her plans to kill Caylee. I won't even go into what could have been done that night to prevent Caylee's murder.

[One2Snoop]

OK.......Time Out!http://i41.tinypic.com/2uqyolc.jpg



We sound like a jury ......in a trial!

Get it? Some stuff is off topic, but much that goes back and forth Is pertinent, and knowing these details allows us to agree and disagree about the details. If anyone thinks what's said is BS, it's ok too, ~ this case does make people nuts. Just skip the posts.

eatingcupcakes, how about whipping up a batch, and you take the first shot, ok.http://i43.tinypic.com/whidjs.jpgPass it around girls!

Now put on your damn pins and carry on!http://i42.tinypic.com/2qcmpub.jpg

LOL - I'll take a couple of those shots! :beer:

P.S.
Love the pin.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, please don't take any of this personally. I just don't think cupcake meant anything insulting directed to you or anyone else.

I enjoy reading what I consider useless minutia -- I just don't have anything to contribute so I just read. Honest, it's okay and usually entertaining.

Yes, I'm sure that ECC meant to use the Royal You, or even say we when she singled me out. Nope, that can't be it, because she pointed out how righteous her posts are. And I'm sure it was a slip when you said that my response to her attack was nasty and undeserved. No way will I take it any more personally that you seem to. :rolleyes:

[javahog]

Yes, I'm sure that ECC meant to use the Royal You, or even say we when she singled me out. Nope, that can't be it, because she pointed out how righteous her posts are. And I'm sure it was a slip when you said that my response to her attack was nasty and undeserved. No way will I take it any more personally that you seem to. :rolleyes:

Apparently you are an archetypical figure, Loretta, kind of like when you speak of the Buddha. You might address one incarnation of him, but you are really addressing all. Omm mana padme omm, hun.

[lorettalockhorn]

Apparently you are an archetypical figure, Loretta, kind of like when you speak of the Buddha. You might address one incarnation of him, but you are really addressing all. Omm mana padme omm, hun.

*ding ding ding* (I think that's the sound that drove so many people crazy). Nichiren Shoshu forever! Can you believe that some of those girls from the old dorm days still practice? I can only imagine what they've spent on incense after all these years.

[deputydi]

The events of the night of the 15th could be important as to motive. Cindy had found out that Casey had stolen and apparently decided she'd had enough. Reports suggest she threatened to cut Casey off and get custody of Caylee. The next day, SA believes Casey murdered Caylee.

This sounds like an admissible motivational event to me.
Could be, but getting it in might be a problem. I truly do not believe that C or G will be called as a prosecution witness -- the DA won't take the chance on being seen as a bully. The only other way to get it in is through police reports. How much did they reveal about that night to the authorities?

[lorettalockhorn]

His going back worries me too. It's not healthy in his state of mind, period. Then add on all the undercurrents going on in that house.........whew.

It's a sad day when someone who needs mental health care can't get it because they are too 'infamous'. Would this be a private facility? Otherwise how could they knowingly turn him away, when a dr. says he needs just that.....:(

Well, so maybe he is getting outpatient treatment and maybe with him at home there can be family counseling for Cindy and Lee as well. If he went home AMA, there's no telling.

[Amy]

If Kronk has done nothing wrong and the police have cleared him why does he need continued legal representation? :shrug:

Roy Kronk May Have To Start Paying Own Legal Fees

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 – updated: 3:43 pm EST February 4, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The county employee who found the body of Caylee Anthony might soon have to start paying his own legal bills. Until now, Orange County has been paying a law firm to represent former meter reader Roy Kronk.

So far, the county has paid more than $7,500 dollars. It was an effort to help Kronk maintain privacy.

Wednesday, a county watchdog group told Eyewitness News that's excessive.

"Owing a debt of gratitude doesn't allow the taxpayer to be taken advantage of," said Michael Walzak of CountyWatch.

Kronk is no longer working as a meter reader. He's now working at a county utility warehouse and says he wants to be out of the public eye.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18641180/detail.html#-

I don't know, if my name came up even remotely anywhere near this case, I think having an attorney until it's all over would not be a bad idea @ all. There are still those who hint @ what role he might really have in all this other than just happening to find Caylee's remains. I'd have my behind covered.

[deputydi]

Yes, I'm sure that ECC meant to use the Royal You, or even say we when she singled me out. Nope, that can't be it, because she pointed out how righteous her posts are. And I'm sure it was a slip when you said that my response to her attack was nasty and undeserved. No way will I take it any more personally that you seem to. :rolleyes:
Oh, good grief. I'm waving the white flag (as opposed to the Black & Gold terrible towel I now sleep with). I'm taking a time out and going to my room for the night. :seeya:

[javahog]

Could be, but getting it in might be a problem. I truly do not believe that C or G will be called as a prosecution witness -- the DA won't take the chance on being seen as a bully. The only other way to get it in is through police reports. How much did they reveal about that night to the authorities?

It may be hearsay to this point, as apparently both Cindy and Casey told Lee who also told Jesse Grund. I have a hard time picturing how they could not be called since they are such integral witnesses. But hey, I'm no lawyer...

[Amy]

I know i have said earlier how worried i am for G but i think it is so sad that a facility refused him due to the publicity and other patients being affected. Surely there would be one with an area to house him. Hello- most have some lockdown wards anyway. I just dont think he is getting the care he needs right now. He is right back into the same enviroment. They have not even got to any of the trials yet which will put so much more pressure on. It's just sad and wrong. MOO :rose:

Even celebrities and other well-known figures are admitted to psychiatric facilities. They have the media parked outside, probably some pretending to be staff, etc, to get scoops. It seems that George would not cause any more ruckus than one of them.

You know, first there was the report that no facility would take him. Then, the "family lawyer" (or was it Lee's?) says the family decided they would rather have him @ home. (Wonder what George wanted?) And, there was the multiple vehicle scramble to get him out of Halifax without being followed by the media. It could very well be that George is in some local facility, and the waters are muddied with the misinformation. Probably have the web cam back up @ the house, waiting for any activity, and maybe George isn't there @ all!!!

[SuzDuJour]

I also think it’s important to realize that if George lied about the 16th, it’s because he (and probably Cindy) already realized AT THAT POINT that their daughter was probably involved in the disappearance of their granddaughter and chose to hinder the investigation. I also wonder about the call “placed from the Anthony house to Casey’s cell phone at 7:45AM the morning of the 16th…cuz, according to George, she and Caylee were home, weren’t they?

[lorettalockhorn]

And so now the family is going to fight public depositions in the ZG case. They are saying they will refuse to answer if in public.

How dare they do this to Caylee! This is not coming from George ~ he already voiced his feelings in the early interviews. Seems Cindy and Lee do not want to see Justice for Caylee, no matter WHO did it.

What is their problem, it will all come out in the wash anyway.

Still trying to save face IMO

You just have to wonder how much face they're saving, and how it does Caylee any good to get hit with contempt of court charges. It has been said over and over that there is no privilege among these particular family members, and that the fifth amendment is protection against self-incimination; how does that apply? I don't understand whatever it is that their attorneys are advising them.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, WTH can he really get from them anyway?

They knew NOTHING but a name. Zani....and now it's Zaneida Fernandez Gonzalez.
Not where she lived, not a phone #, not a photo...nothing.

The only reason why they know what they do now is because of this case!

That puts them in no danger of anything.


Oh Lordy Loretta they could all be in County together (contempt charges) I can certainly see it from C & L. Yes and where is Caylee in all this-so sad. Liar put herself right where she is. And Caylee too i might add. :rose:

I'm confuzzled as to why they cannot simply answer that they have no knowledge of the whole ZFG fiasco if that's the case. And so what if the deposition will be videotaped. That's the norm. And according to Morgan on JVM or NG, he's not releasing the video to the media; it becomes part of the court record which is public.

Seriously, they're going to look like jackasses if they're asked if they've ever met ZFG (for instance), and they take the fifth instead of simply saying no or yes.

LOL@the thought of The Finger Family in the OC jail with their CEO in solitary. They'll be banging their cups on the bars to communicate. (Do jails still have bars?)

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe not alot but they have been called for depo's. So my point being what do they have to hide by saying they have no pics,numbers,never met her yadayada. I think they set themselves up for this by publicly accusing the Nanny. MOO

Yep. And the thing is, they can truthfully (as far as we know) testify that they had no knowledge of ZFG, and dump the burden of truth smack dab into D Casey's lap. (I assume that he's the one who was feeding George information about surveillance, etc.)

[lorettalockhorn]

I think we all better strap in. Waaaaay to nutty. Take the 5th cuz ya dont wanna say you never saw or met somebody? The whole world already knows that. What the hay :eek:

hehehe They really will look like asshats if they're asked if they ever met Zani and they say "yes" and they weren't out there looking for her.

Oh wait. They weren't out there looking for Caylee either.

Man, talk about superficiality. It's a hard pill to swallow that this beautiful, talented, smart little girl is better off now more than ever.

[javahog]

hehehe They really will look like asshats if they're asked if they ever met Zani and they say "yes" and they weren't out there looking for her.

Oh wait. They weren't out there looking for Caylee either.

Man, talk about superficiality. It's a hard pill to swallow that this beautiful, talented, smart little girl is better off now more than ever.

naw, many come from really messed up beginnings and made something of themselves. She should have had the chance. i think she would have had it with Cindy and George. They were doing something right with her, probably based on what they did wrong with that other one...now everything is flushed...no wonder George is suicidal.

[javahog]

Yes but had the Liar taken off with Caylee-not a good life.

I'll agree there. It would have been a downward spiral of drugs, booze, one man to another, likely molestation of Caylee, if she lived, that is....

[javahog]

Anyone game for the OT thread?

I can't I have to beat feet. I have a free write to do for my writing group, but you guys gave me a story idea with all the drama tonight, so :beer:!

[Amy]

Imagine that SOB Lee filing a protective order so he doesn't have to talk.

Chi la fa l' aspetti ~ What comes around.............

You can do that? Seems like the whole world would be doing that if it were legal. He'd still have to face contempt of court charges if he did that, wouldn't he? I didn't watch any of the programs the last couple of days. Is this something his attorney has said he could do on one of the shows? Or, speculation from posters that he could? TIA

[lorettalockhorn]

Amy, lots of talk about the Ants vs. ZFG tonight on NG, but I don't remember that in particular and skimmed the transcript but didn't find it. Which doesn't mean that it's not there:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/04/ng.01.html

[crowamongdoves]

I'm confuzzled as to why they cannot simply answer that they have no knowledge of the whole ZFG fiasco if that's the case. And so what if the deposition will be videotaped. That's the norm. And according to Morgan on JVM or NG, he's not releasing the video to the media; it becomes part of the court record which is public.

Seriously, they're going to look like jackasses if they're asked if they've ever met ZFG (for instance), and they take the fifth instead of simply saying no or yes.

LOL@the thought of The Finger Family in the OC jail with their CEO in solitary. They'll be banging their cups on the bars to communicate. (Do jails still have bars?)

Just read this post and laughed so hard that DH woke and said what's so damn funny....You crack me up

[Amy]

Amy, lots of talk about the Ants vs. ZFG tonight on NG, but I don't remember that in particular and skimmed the transcript but didn't find it. Which doesn't mean that it's not there:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/04/ng.01.html

Thanks for the link. My goodness, almost as hard to read as it is to listen to. Some of the same ol' same ol', but I guess we do that one the boards, too, lol.

What I did find was that Conway, I think (could have been Luka) said they would put out a protective order to prevent the depositions being released to the public, not a protective order to prevent them from being deposed, as I read one of the posts.

It seems to me, a court order from the judge to not release the information until after the trial should be sufficient. We'd probably hear their answers (as asked by the SA) in court, anyway.

Morgan says, in response to Ripka, some big attorney out of New York (I think I have that right) says, all Casey Marie Anthony has to do is to respond to the picture sent and say that is not the ZFG she was talking about, and it would be all over. That is all they want. Now, the A's and Conway have said that to reporters and show hosts, why in the holy heck doesn't Casey just respond to that, and get it over with? For the love of all that is holy, just say it!!!! Wonder if she has dug her heels in, or if Jose has convinced her to not answer? Actually, I don't suppose Jose has a clue that the answer to that one question would end it all. Maybe LKB or Morgan or Judge Strickland or SOMEBODY should explain it to him!!!!! The rest of the A's would be off the hook, and she wouldn't even have to address any of the other questions. Oh, Lord, somebody PLEASE get thru to Jose to get thru to his client to just say THIS ZFG is not HER ZFG!!!!!

Someone worried about what the public memorial will do to George. I don't think the family needs to be @ the public memorial. Let the public go and pay their respects to Caylee. Maybe Lee attend as a family representative? If people think the family has to be there.

And, the deposition (that Casey could prevent) ISN'T in "just a couple of days" as people keep saying on the show. It's not for another 3 weeks, for Pete's sake, the 26th and 27th. A person starting on medications does have to be monitored @ first, but the th's say, they would know in 3 days or so if the medication was working. One dufus says, George would be falling asleep, or drooling. For crying out loud!!!! People with clinical depression, people who have had suicide ideation are put on medications and become working, productive member of society. Doctors, nurses, lawyers, judges, teachers, policemen, etc etc etc. If George is falling asleep and drooling in 3 weeks time, someone should be on the ball in 3 DAYS time and get his medication changed!!!! Again, the whole deposition thing could be avoided if Casey would just tell Morgan what he wants on that one little question.

There were also the clips of various and sundry videos (or @ least the audio of them.) One was where Casey was explaining why, if there was only one of the family she could talk to, it would be George. Because he wouldn't be asking the same questions 500 times like Cindy and Lee. But ALSO because, they had been apart, she hadn't been with him much and (inaudible, of course.) So, if Casey is sooo into wanting to make up for lost time with her dad, has sooo much feeling for him---now, why won't she think of HIM for one nanosecond and do what she has to do to prevent the deposition hearing? Either Casey is enjoying the furor and the possible downfall of her family and/or Jose wants to keep ANYTHING going to take focus off the trial, and to delay the trial. Probably both. I think some judge (don't know if it is in Judge Strickland's jurisdiction) should just say, cut the crap. This circus about the depositions will be put off until after the trial. And, then for Judge Strickland to say, the trial will go forth on this day, there will be NO MORE delays. Stand up, get your cases ready, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO MORE DELAYS!!!!

The next thing is for the judge to say, the docket has been cleared for x number of days for this trial, and that is all. No 5 to 12 month three ring circus needed here!!! Get your witnesses in line, ask your questions, and no frivolous objections from either side, or whatever lawyer attempts to do that is in contempt of court and will be OUT OF HERE!!!! So, be sure you have back up lawyers who can take up where you leave off, cuz we won't interupt the trial for a new lawyer to "get up to speed."

Wow. I shoulda been in law, lol. Except, somethings are probably AGAINST the law, but they make sense. In my opinion, anyway. :cool:

[lorettalockhorn]

Great post Amy! I do think that proactive was probably misread as protective. I am not sure why Casey can't answer the ZFG question and take the fifth on all the others, but maybe that's ill advised. It's ridiculous for her to want this suit to go forward.

I did think it was asinine for the two blowhards to carry on about how George wouldn't be fit to testify by the end of the month; if he's not responding well to medication by then, he's not being properly monitored. I suppose it's possible that with his blood pressure meds combined with any alcohol, he might be difficult to regulate, but maybe he's determined not to drink.

I can't imagine why any of the Anthonys would want to go to the public memorial if they are concerned about the presence of the protester types that were camped out in front of their house. People would understand. Wouldn't they? And if they don't, do the Anthonys really, really care if they're misinterpreted??

As for Casey wanting George to be the one person that she wanted to meet with, it's absurd that he or any of her other employees would fall for that song and dance; she couldn't stand his philandering, she couldn't stand him squandering money in an online scheme instead of her, and she has no respect for him if she is going to force him into a situation where he is legally obligated to be deposed for Morgan's suit.

To get the murder trial moving forward, Baez needs to quit clowning for the media and start deposing his witnesses. And if it cuts into his classroom time, it's probably for the best where his law students are concerned.

[Amy]

From what Morgan said on NG, if she would just look @ the picture and say it is not the ZFG she was referring to, she would not have to take the 5th nor answer any of the other questions.

I guess it was Herman, another lawyer who said it would be all over if she answered that one question, and Morgan did not disagree. (the know-it-all from NY he refers to is Ripka, I think, not Herman):



GRACE: Can you put it in a nutshell, just this one time?

HERMAN: All she has to say is, all Casey has to say that`s not the Zenaida I`m referring to and it`s over. He -- call.

GRACE: John Morgan, would that make you happy if she would say on record that much?

JOHN MORGAN, CO-COUNSEL FOR ZENAIDA FERNANDEZ-GONZALEZ, ALLEGED BABYSITTER: Yes. Let me tell the know-it-all from up in New York so he gets his facts straight. We`ve sent her interrogatories, we`ve attached this picture. All she needs to do is say that`s not her. Go ahead and say it.


And this is the part about how she says why she wants to talk to George, not Cindy or Lee:
C. ANTHONY: Mom, I don`t -- the cops are going through the same thing that has always been, so please stop it. This is why I chose, this is one of the main reasons that I chose dad because he won`t sit there and keep asking the same questions 500 times over like you and Lee have done.

Mom has dominated a lot of the conversation (INAUDIBLE). I mean, you and I, we have been separated for a while and we were just -- I want to see all of you, but I want to see the one person that I have been so far disconnected for the longest and that`s been you.


Which brings me to the question of WHEN George moved back into the house? It seems it wouldn't have been the 2+ years since Caylee was born, but more recently? Otherwise, why bring up a separation and disconnect if George has been in the home the entire time? Unless, he was there, but everybody ignored him?