Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[eatcupcakes]

Casey may be like I am, in that respect. I have all my phone numbers in my address book and my family on speed dial on my cell phone. I go to "address book" and push a name and never look at the number. I bet a lot of people do that.

Me, Me I do that. I don't even have my son's number memorized, its all in my phone book in both my land and cell phones.

[Justice Denied?]

At this point, Padilla is theorizing as much as any of us. He gave his theory based on the same evidence we are all looking at, nothing more, imo.

It is possible she died in the car...no telling how long she was dead before she was wrapped up, so it didn't have to happen in the house as long as she had access to the house at some point. Maybe Casey even had the little heart sticker on her laptop, just like LP's employee did...

Wait a minute! I thought LP's employee, Tracy, saw CASEY take a sticker from a sheet nad put it on HER (Casey's) laptop. Did I misunderstand?

[One2Snoop]

Wait a minute! I thought LP's employee, Tracy, saw CASEY take a sticker from a sheet nad put it on HER (Casey's) laptop. Did I misunderstand?

He did say that - I posted the quote from NG's show about 3 or 4 days ago. It was a smiley sticker (not a heart).

[Amy]

Casey may be like I am, in that respect. I have all my phone numbers in my address book and my family on speed dial on my cell phone. I go to "address book" and push a name and never look at the number. I bet a lot of people do that.

I know my folks' number-it's been the same for over 50 years, and I had that memorized before speed dial and all that (altho I can DIAL it, it's hard to say what the numbers are.) Used to know sis' number, again, before speed dial, used it a lot, too.

I don't know my kids' cell phone #s. Because I use MY cell to call them, and I pop up their name. I DO have their #s in my agenda which most usually is with me. I know my home phone #, lol. And the 4 digit extension #s of several departments @ work. Other wise, we have phone books!!

TonE's phone would have been a relatively recent addition, she hadn't known him all that long. Probably hadn't had time to memorize it, and probably didn't have a need as it would be--in her phone.

[Amy]

Okay, I'll give her that. I wonder why Lee had his number. Maybe he wrote down all the numbers in her phone addy book or maybe he was friends with Lee? I may have missed that.

Perhaps they had not confiscated her phone @ that point? The phone might have been @ the house, or Lee might have had it. They had to have some method to have called all Casey's friends to the pow-wow. She doesn't seem the type to have a hard copy address book somewhere (but I could be wrong.)

[Lodi]

So science geeks: let's say I get a blood transfusion and then leave a drop of blood at the crime scene. What does that do to the results? (really, its not OT, I'm thinking through something here...)

http://www.wisegeek.com/can-getting-a-blood-transfusion-change-my-dna.htm
~Snip~ Getting a standard blood transfusion cannot and will not change your DNA. Most people only receive red cells or blood plasma during medical procedures, and neither one of those blood components contain any DNA material. Transfused blood still needs to be a match to the recipient's ABO blood type, but it does not contain any DNA coding from the donor. A blood test performed after a standard blood transfusion would still reveal only the patient's DNA profile.

This isn't to say that human blood does not contain any DNA, however. White blood cells, which are usually removed from donated blood by a centrifuge, do contain DNA. If someone were to require a whole blood transfusion, the donor's white cells would enter the recipient's bloodstream and remain there until they expire, generally within 4 to 8 days. Such whole blood transfers are very rare, however, and the donor's DNA would not survive long enough to have an effect on the recipient's DNA. Conceivably, a blood test taken shortly after a whole blood transfusion could show a mix of DNA coding, but not strictly the DNA of the donor.

[Amy]

Baez PR Firm Issues Scathing Release After State Drops Investigation
The following release was emailed to WFTV by Press Corp Media on the afternoon of Tuesday, January 27, 2009:

http://i39.tinypic.com/1195jqv.jpg
http://www.berry-designs.com/blog/wordpress/

The Florida Bar made the right decision by throwing out the absolutely ridiculous whining complaint by the State Attorney - just as with this communication Press Corps Media was solely responsible for a Media Release offering the observation that the only reason a grand jury was convened (at the time that it did) was because of the elections this past November. The State Attorney knew very well that attorney Jose Baez never made such a statement, but also knew that Press Corps Media is not under the thumb of the Florida Bar, so they decided to try to attack a totally innocent individual. Mr. Baez didn't deserve that, just as he hasn't deserved the filthy personal attacks by various media.

Orlando Channel 9 is the Poster Child for the "Deterioration of Journalism" and it's not surprising to see that station so quickly bury a POSITIVE story about Mr. Baez on their web site, but other media outlets are not exempt from their negative reporting, and shameless personal attacks.

In our 34 years of working with attorneys on high pressure cases, never have we witnessed such disgusting media conduct, and as Press Corps Media continues its proud work in behalf of The Baez Law Firm on Casey Anthony matters, all we can hope for is that reporters and News Directors try to remember that ETHICS AND PROFESSIONALISM is what was taught in journalism school, not blood-thirsty ratings. You have a child's life lost, you have another young adult life awaiting a serious trial, and you have a loyally dedicated and smart attorney that all deserve consideration and respect.

Thank you,

Todd Black PMK

http://www.wftv.com/news/18576374/detail.html#-

Ah, Todd Black DID return. I wonder how he got back into the good graces of Baez and Casey after his blunder?

Anyway, I tho't ETHICS AND PROFESSIONALISM were taught in law school, too. His client isn't always showing these attributes, either.

Wonder how much Baez pays him? Enough to be his only supporter, it would seem. IMO

[Amy]

I have said that since the very beginning. Casey has something on the whole family. I have my suspicions what it could be but don't want to speculate right now. Whatever it is made G & C change from saying she should pay if she's guilty to defending her. She has something good that gets them to jump to her tune because they don't want it on national tv.

The really sad thing is, the family secrets will come out---especially if there is a trial. The A's would have been jumping thru her hoops for naught. The end result will be the same--Casey will spend the rest of her life in prison, and the world will know what the family secrets are. If they had just ponied up from the start, the time to get to this result would have been over a long time ago. IMO

[eatcupcakes]

cause we aint ever know the truth. Just like Scott Peterson she is gonna say she didn't do it until the day she dies. And you know what LE is gonna give their theory to the jury when they go to trial. Bottom line is the poor little girl is dead, she did not have a chance. She surly did not drown in the pool, no duct tape would be needed. She did not die in the house because Casey was not there. But no matter how it happened it had to be intentional because of the duct tape unless she used to keep anyone from hearing Caylee crying if she woke up in the trunk. How cruel would that be, it would be torchure. This is a very evil person and I truely and having a hard time looking at her.

Regarding Cindy after reading her mothers email talking about Cindy's life with George and how he gambled away most of her retirement money and she would not be able to divorce him because if she did she would have to pay him alimony because she had been supporting him. I think Caylee was the only Sunshine of Her Life. I bet she sang that to her and that is how she learned it. That is why she could not face the thought of her being dead. I have more sympathy for her now that I know this. I am thinking of the saying that goes something like "don't judge a person unless you walk a mile in their shoes

I can only thank god I am not in Cindy shoes, being there must be a living hell. Cindy as crazy as you are I think your family made you that way. This is for you:rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

In many ways I can understand Cindy being a bitter one. She's working hard supporting the family, probably losing extra shifts taking care of Caylee, her daughter does jack to help the household (and based on her commissary purchases, ate them out of house and home), her husband lost a bunch of money...of course they all fought, of course people were nasty to each other. Bitterness made Cindy feed the Bad Wolf, imo...Now she denies because all the pain was for nothing otherwise...not that I excuse it...

Very well said.

[lorettalockhorn]

Baez PR Firm Issues Scathing Release After State Drops Investigation
The following release was emailed to WFTV by Press Corp Media on the afternoon of Tuesday, January 27, 2009:

http://i39.tinypic.com/1195jqv.jpg
http://www.berry-designs.com/blog/wordpress/

The Florida Bar made the right decision by throwing out the absolutely ridiculous whining complaint by the State Attorney - just as with this communication Press Corps Media was solely responsible for a Media Release offering the observation that the only reason a grand jury was convened (at the time that it did) was because of the elections this past November. The State Attorney knew very well that attorney Jose Baez never made such a statement, but also knew that Press Corps Media is not under the thumb of the Florida Bar, so they decided to try to attack a totally innocent individual. Mr. Baez didn't deserve that, just as he hasn't deserved the filthy personal attacks by various media.

Orlando Channel 9 is the Poster Child for the "Deterioration of Journalism" and it's not surprising to see that station so quickly bury a POSITIVE story about Mr. Baez on their web site, but other media outlets are not exempt from their negative reporting, and shameless personal attacks.

In our 34 years of working with attorneys on high pressure cases, never have we witnessed such disgusting media conduct, and as Press Corps Media continues its proud work in behalf of The Baez Law Firm on Casey Anthony matters, all we can hope for is that reporters and News Directors try to remember that ETHICS AND PROFESSIONALISM is what was taught in journalism school, not blood-thirsty ratings. You have a child's life lost, you have another young adult life awaiting a serious trial, and you have a loyally dedicated and smart attorney that all deserve consideration and respect.

Thank you,

Todd Black PMK

http://www.wftv.com/news/18576374/detail.html#-

Is this not one of the most unprofessional items written by a supposed professional that y'all have ever read?!

[lorettalockhorn]

That was my point about why Casey didn't know Tony's number. You put a number in once and forget it. Things have changed since you had to have all the numbers in your head. When I checked myself, I knew 2 kids' numbers and 2 I didn't. No grandkid numbers.

Thanks for clearing that up for me; being a number person I'm more likely to forget someone's name!

[javahog]

Wait a minute! I thought LP's employee, Tracy, saw CASEY take a sticker from a sheet nad put it on HER (Casey's) laptop. Did I misunderstand?

I thought he said Tracy found a sheet and put it on her own...I'll have to check transcripts...

[lorettalockhorn]

I hear Baez saying that about the reporting was for private citizens, but I don't really take his word about legal issues, because he doesn't always seem to know his way around a paper bag, let alone the law. I didn't hear any of the TH's back him up on that (altho I did not see all the shows, and am sometimes distracted when I do have one on.) In fact it seems one of the TH's said the prosecution had the obligation to report suspicions they may have--and he didn't say they had to go about it in a different way.

I am a nurse. If I feel the need to report a doctor or another nurse, I can take advantage of the anonymous method, so can any doctor or nurse. Besides, since it is anonymous---the board doesn't have a clue WHO made the report. They are just obligated to look into the matter. I would think the same would be with the Bar Association--since the person lodging the complaint was ANONYMOUS, the association would not have a clue if that person was a private citizen or not.

Yes, I heard that too and agree. Regarding the anonymous reporting, I'm pretty sure that it was whichever program Gloria Allred(sp) was on. She was part of that particular discussion IIRC. For all I know, it could be a Florida thing, their laws are very different from AR's in many respects. (But I really don't think that's the case.) Surely we'll hear more about the issue after the Todd Black Attack.

ETA It's totally possible that I misunderstood what was said, due to testing the quality of the vodka that went into my sauce last night.

[javahog]

Is this not one of the most unprofessional items written by a supposed professional that y'all have ever read?!

It took me a second read to realize it was "real"

[One2Snoop]

Is this not one of the most unprofessional items written by a supposed professional that y'all have ever read?!

LMAO! I think he needs to go back to journalism school.

[One2Snoop]

Java here's the quote I posted the other day - I'm sure he meant Casey..


I thought he said Tracy found a sheet and put it on her own...I'll have to check transcripts...

The sticker was a smiley according to LP - other stickers were on the page Casey took it off of....

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: I`ll tell you, it`s a wealth of information. And a young friend of mine, Katelyn (ph), told her dad, You know, it looks like Leonard Padilla was right on more than one issue.

You take the black plastic bag with the yellow tie on it, you take the duffel bag -- which was not a duffel bag, it was a laundry bag -- clothes in the bag -- that was very important -- and then you go to a little smiley sticker that we have on a laptop that was in her room, that Tracy had back there when she was with her -- she took it off a page of little sticky things, put it right on the laptop. Now...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

[javahog]

Java here's the quote I posted the other day - I'm sure he meant Casey..

It never occurred to me someone would put a sticker on another person's laptop.

If Casey Anthony had stickered my faithful Djehuti, she would instantly be snorting carpet. :flamemad:

[javahog]

Something funny I think I just noticed: when Casey was using Amy's checks, she was carded for the beer. So the cashier actually saw her id and still she managed to pass that check!http://wdbo.com/news/casey_receipt2.html

And she used coupons to "save" money...what kind of nutty thief uses coupons to save their victim money?!

[shadydaisy]

What do you mean by "Push her over the edge?" That she would start talking nad tell the truth? I don't believe she ever will. I think she will take that info to the grave with her.

I agree that she most likely won't break down and tell the truth, but I can hope. I remember Casey crying when she saw her father. He does seem to be able to touch her, somehow, a little bit at least.

[mandi3020]

Hello everyone, I'm new here, first post, but have been devoting hours every evening in trying to learn what happened to little Caylee. There's so much info to review, but basically I see that Caylee was a beautiful little angel that didn't have a snowball's chance in h#ll of surviving given the family she was born into.

Am I right that Cindy is a nurse? If so, she is a mandated reporter if child neglect or abuse is suspected. Surely she had to know early on that Casey was neglecting Caylee! Perhaps if she (Cindy) has reported the neglect to CPS (Child Protective Services--or whatever it is called in FL) then Caylee would have been removed from Casey's custody. In this situation children are not always placed in foster care, but with family members that are loving and can provide. I know now that it's a moot point, but I am having extreme difficulty accepting that Caylee was in the care of her monster mother and people close to the situation (G&C) didn't see what was wrong and intervene.

I know one thing, if Casey were my daughter I would tell LE to put me in a room alone with her for just five minutes. That's all it would take--just five little minutes. I'd get the truth one way or another.

God Bless Caylee. She was just a baby for heaven's sake.:rose:

[Justice Denied?]

Java here's the quote I posted the other day - I'm sure he meant Casey..

That sounds like Casey put the sticker on Tracy's computer. Now I am confused for sure.

[Zingo]

Hello everyone, I'm new here, first post, but have been devoting hours every evening in trying to learn what happened to little Caylee. There's so much info to review, but basically I see that Caylee was a beautiful little angel that didn't have a snowball's chance in h#ll of surviving given the family she was born into.

Am I right that Cindy is a nurse? If so, she is a mandated reporter if child neglect or abuse is suspected. Surely she had to know early on that Casey was neglecting Caylee! Perhaps if she (Cindy) has reported the neglect to CPS (Child Protective Services--or whatever it is called in FL) then Caylee would have been removed from Casey's custody. In this situation children are not always placed in foster care, but with family members that are loving and can provide. I know now that it's a moot point, but I am having extreme difficulty accepting that Caylee was in the care of her monster mother and people close to the situation (G&C) didn't see what was wrong and intervene.

I know one thing, if Casey were my daughter I would tell LE to put me in a room alone with her for just five minutes. That's all it would take--just five little minutes. I'd get the truth one way or another.

God Bless Caylee. She was just a baby for heaven's sake.:rose:

Hey Mandi -- I'm new too. I feel the same way about this case. I keep trying to figure out what actually happened!!! How did this family get so screwed up that the daughter kills her child??? I think Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. And at the same time she was enabling, she was becoming resentful and angry toward Casey. So, obviously life in that household was an emotional roller coaster. I'm sure little Caylee witnessed a lot of "knock down drag out" shouting matches between Cindy and Casey. And, likely George was involved,too.

And now we see that Cindy and George REFUSE to acknowledge the truth about Casey. They are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to continue believing Casey is innocent. It all points to their major dysfunction.

I try to put myself in their shoes. I have 3 kids. If one of them did something seriously wrong and was charged with the crime, I would support them, love them, help them to take responsibility for their actions. But I could never lie for them. At the end of the day, truth does set us free.

[applesandorange]

Hello everyone, I'm new here, first post, but have been devoting hours every evening in trying to learn what happened to little Caylee. There's so much info to review, but basically I see that Caylee was a beautiful little angel that didn't have a snowball's chance in h#ll of surviving given the family she was born into.

Am I right that Cindy is a nurse? If so, she is a mandated reporter if child neglect or abuse is suspected. Surely she had to know early on that Casey was neglecting Caylee! Perhaps if she (Cindy) has reported the neglect to CPS (Child Protective Services--or whatever it is called in FL) then Caylee would have been removed from Casey's custody. In this situation children are not always placed in foster care, but with family members that are loving and can provide. I know now that it's a moot point, but I am having extreme difficulty accepting that Caylee was in the care of her monster mother and people close to the situation (G&C) didn't see what was wrong and intervene.

I know one thing, if Casey were my daughter I would tell LE to put me in a room alone with her for just five minutes. That's all it would take--just five little minutes. I'd get the truth one way or another.

God Bless Caylee. She was just a baby for heaven's sake.:rose:


WELCOME Mandi!! ITA with everything you have said. That whole family is whacko.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hello everyone, I'm new here, first post, but have been devoting hours every evening in trying to learn what happened to little Caylee. There's so much info to review, but basically I see that Caylee was a beautiful little angel that didn't have a snowball's chance in h#ll of surviving given the family she was born into.

Am I right that Cindy is a nurse? If so, she is a mandated reporter if child neglect or abuse is suspected. Surely she had to know early on that Casey was neglecting Caylee! Perhaps if she (Cindy) has reported the neglect to CPS (Child Protective Services--or whatever it is called in FL) then Caylee would have been removed from Casey's custody. In this situation children are not always placed in foster care, but with family members that are loving and can provide. I know now that it's a moot point, but I am having extreme difficulty accepting that Caylee was in the care of her monster mother and people close to the situation (G&C) didn't see what was wrong and intervene.

I know one thing, if Casey were my daughter I would tell LE to put me in a room alone with her for just five minutes. That's all it would take--just five little minutes. I'd get the truth one way or another.

God Bless Caylee. She was just a baby for heaven's sake.:rose:

Hey Mandi! I completely agree that Cindy has culpability here; whether or not the outcome with Child Services would have changed things or saved Caylee's life is moot, but the rule of thumb in my book is to err on the side of the safety of the child.

[Gatordog]

ITA
Ya know what confuses me? When Casey called the house in that taped recording and asked for Tony's phone number, why did Lee have it? And why did she forget it?

She forgot it because most people program their phones with phone numbers and never learn the number. i don't have one programmed number.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Mandi -- I'm new too. I feel the same way about this case. I keep trying to figure out what actually happened!!! How did this family get so screwed up that the daughter kills her child??? I think Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. And at the same time she was enabling, she was becoming resentful and angry toward Casey. So, obviously life in that household was an emotional roller coaster. I'm sure little Caylee witnessed a lot of "knock down drag out" shouting matches between Cindy and Casey. And, likely George was involved,too.

And now we see that Cindy and George REFUSE to acknowledge the truth about Casey. They are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to continue believing Casey is innocent. It all points to their major dysfunction.

I try to put myself in their shoes. I have 3 kids. If one of them did something seriously wrong and was charged with the crime, I would support them, love them, help them to take responsibility for their actions. But I could never lie for them. At the end of the day, truth does set us free.

Hey Zingo! I shudder to think at what Caylee may have heard and seen in her short life considering how shamelessly her family has acted in public what with the verbal abuse, outbursts, tantrums, etc. There is just no telling what in God's name went on behind closed doors.

[javahog]

WELCOME Mandi!! ITA with everything you have said. That whole family is whacko.

Who is more whacko? The wackos or the wackos who analyze them? http://planetsmilies.net/star-wars-smiley-5456.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


welcome new folks!

[Native Alien]

Wasn't there or hasn't there been discussions about the night that Casey and Cindy got into an argument before Caylee was missing? Something about Cindy grabbed Casey around the neck over something and that was what caused Casey to take Caylee and leave?

I got the impression that alot of people thought that Casey was just keeping Caylee from Cindy out of spite for what happened that night.

[applesandorange]

Who is more whacko? The wackos or the wackos who analyze them? http://planetsmilies.net/star-wars-smiley-5456.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)


welcome new folks!


I can admit I'm a bit crazy lol. I think the people who you have to worry about are the ones who are crazy and either don't know it or don't admit it lol. We're ALL crazy here hahaha

[javahog]

I agree that she most likely won't break down and tell the truth, but I can hope. I remember Casey crying when she saw her father. He does seem to be able to touch her, somehow, a little bit at least.

That was just because she looked "like hell".

Daddy, do these shackles make me look fat? http://planetsmilies.net/kaos-animal-cow-smiley-6119.gif (http://planetsmilies.net)

[applesandorange]

Wasn't there or hasn't there been discussions about the night that Casey and Cindy got into an argument before Caylee was missing? Something about Cindy grabbed Casey around the neck over something and that was what caused Casey to take Caylee and leave?

I got the impression that alot of people thought that Casey was just keeping Caylee from Cindy out of spite for what happened that night.


Yes. Cindy confronted Casey about Casey stealing money from Cindy's parents. She choked Casey around the neck. Casey took Caylee and left.

[javahog]

So, according to NG, the Anthony's lawyer says they aren't convinced of her innocence. More to come...

[lorettalockhorn]

Anyone watching NG?

Bombshells: The Winnie the Pooh blankie matches Caylee's bedding. And according to Conway, G&C not fully convinced that Casey is completely innocent.

[lorettalockhorn]

So, according to NG, the Anthony's lawyer says they aren't convinced of her innocence. More to come...

:tongue:

[mandi3020]

Yes. Cindy confronted Casey about Casey stealing money from Cindy's parents. She choked Casey around the neck. Casey took Caylee and left.

It makes me feel very sad to think of what Caylee must have witnessed. You know that little girl had to be afraid if she saw her grandmother choking her mother.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

[Twinners]

Thanks for the heads up ladies! I can't watch Nancy from where I'm sitting, but I just tuned in so I can hear it.

[Gatordog]

Okay, I'll give her that. I wonder why Lee had his number. Maybe he wrote down all the numbers in her phone addy book or maybe he was friends with Lee? I may have missed that.

Ah! I must have my thinking cap on tonight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char147.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Cindy is all panicky because she called the police and they haven't shown up yet - she calls Lee and Lee is there in five minutes. Cindy is by herself because Lee and the Liar are in her room talking very low. A while later, the Liar with Lee fesses up that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Now Cindy really goes ape sh**. The Liar is never without her phone. The police get a stupid story about losing a phone and sim cards and the numbers are on the lost phone etc. What if - The Liar gave her phone to Lee while they were whispering in her room. She did not want the police to get it because it might have incriminating phone numbers or no phone calls from Zenaida or maybe it had pictures. So Lee could be an accessory by hiding the phone and she called Lee to get the number off of the phone but she couldn't say he had the phone because of it being recorded.

Gator

[mandi3020]

A guest on NG is saying that in the latest People magazine (not on newstands yet) that the Anthony's are now saying they don't know if Casey harmed Caylee or not. They are no longer saying 100% she didn't have anything to do with what happened to Caylee.

Gotta go out and buy a People tomorrow.

[javahog]

George told a neighbor that there was disturbed ground near the pool in the backyard.

And between the blanket and a horse that was part of a set, they can't be sure she didn't do it.

snork. Padilla has a NEW memory from the Anthony house. George demanding to know from Casey where his granddaughter was and there being a ruckus.

[Gatordog]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Anyone watching NG?

Bombshells: The Winnie the Pooh blankie matches Caylee's bedding. And according to Conway, G&C not fully convinced that Casey is completely innocent.

about time they changed their tune.... :rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator

Not that I recall.

[applesandorange]

I'm still not convinced they have changed their tune. I just have a hard time trusting these people. Maybe Cindy is now realizing the affect that living a lie is having on George. Hopefully she has wised up and realizes that George is what she will have left when all of this is over and that's only if their relationship makes it. I hope so but I'm skeptical.

[Zingo]

Wasn't there or hasn't there been discussions about the night that Casey and Cindy got into an argument before Caylee was missing? Something about Cindy grabbed Casey around the neck over something and that was what caused Casey to take Caylee and leave?

I got the impression that alot of people thought that Casey was just keeping Caylee from Cindy out of spite for what happened that night.


Why haven't George and Cindy spoken about this? It seems like all of them act like June 16th was just a normal day? Cindy says she tucked Cindy and Caylee into bed on the 15th. George says he say Casey and Caylee when Casey was heading to work on the 16th and it was like a "normal day."

I think they don't want to come right out and say: "Casey left in a rage on June 15th and took Caylee. And we think she might have harmed her then."

[Native Alien]

Gatordog, not that I remember but noone asked him either I don't think.

What about this for a scenerio? Casey gets mad and kills Caylee the night that Casey was in the motel parking lot alone. She then has the body in the trunk until she can be sure that noone is in the house. She then goes back to the house, wraps the baby in the blanket and the horse is just there and gets into the blanket because of it. She then was going to bury her in the backyard but couldn't because of the ground being so hard.

At that point she puts the baby in the trunk and drives around awhile trying to figure out what to do with her. Then again when she knows that noone is home, she goes back to the house, puts the body in the bags, because it has started to smell. She then goes somewhere to hide, then goes and dumps the body. That would be when she put the dryer sheets in the trunk and when she seen that the smell wasn't going away, she abandons the car.

[One2Snoop]

THAT SLIMEBALL IS STILL SELLING CAYLEE DOLLS! :flamemad:

[applesandorange]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator


I remember something being said before about George trying to go after Casey while she slept or something and that's why she slept with Cindy.

[deputydi]

I think that there is something to the fact that the family of the victim has to agree with the DP being on the table and at the present the state knows that the A's won't agree to it.<snip>
I've been playing catch up with all the posts, but had to jump in here.

Not true. The DA will usually take the feelings of the victim's family into consideration, but their consent is absolutely not required.

[One2Snoop]

I remember something being said before about George trying to go after Casey while she slept or something and that's why she slept with Cindy.

Found this....

Cindy Anthony shows Local 6 news reporter Jessica D’Onofrio her home. She tells Jessica that when Casey came home on bail she wanted to sleep in her and George’s bedroom because she couldn’t stand to be in her own room because of all the pictures she had of Caylee hanging in there. She said she didn’t want to go into her bedroom because that is where she and Caylee spent most of their time together. Cindy said that it became more comforting for her to be in their room. She’d sleep with Caylee’s teddy bear. Cindy stressed how hard it was for Casey to sleep.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/19/ng.01.html

[deputydi]

Yeah, I heard her and it made no sense to me either. Why would whatever Lee did put the DP back on the table for Casey. Can anyone think of a reason
Conspiracy?

[One2Snoop]

Same link - LP's version of why Casey slept in her parents bedroom...

GRACE: To Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter who was there inside the home after her initial release from jail. Did she have a problem looking at photos of Caylee at that time?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I don`t -- I don`t remember any photos of Caylee at the time in her room. And the reason that she wasn`t allowed to be in her room out of her parents room -- and incidentally George didn`t sleep in his bedroom, he slept on the couch -- was that Jose didn`t want her alone with Tracy in any other room of the house, so he told her to sleep in the parents` bedroom. But George wasn`t there. It was just Cindy and her.

GRACE: You know, I couldn`t hear you. Why did she sleep in the parents` bedroom?

PADILLA: Because Jose, her attorney, did not want her in any other room where her and Tracy might be alone. On more than one occasion, when he was in the house and they were off in a room by themselves, he`d go over there and grab Casey and say, There you are, yakking again, get out of there.

GRACE: Let`s take a look inside the Anthony home.

[deputydi]

Ah! I must have my thinking cap on tonight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char147.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Cindy is all panicky because she called the police and they haven't shown up yet - she calls Lee and Lee is there in five minutes. Cindy is by herself because Lee and the Liar are in her room talking very low. A while later, the Liar with Lee fesses up that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Now Cindy really goes ape sh**. The Liar is never without her phone. The police get a stupid story about losing a phone and sim cards and the numbers are on the lost phone etc. What if - The Liar gave her phone to Lee while they were whispering in her room. She did not want the police to get it because it might have incriminating phone numbers or no phone calls from Zenaida or maybe it had pictures. So Lee could be an accessory by hiding the phone and she called Lee to get the number off of the phone but she couldn't say he had the phone because of it being recorded.

Gator
This makes more sense than anything else I've heard or read. Good job, Gator.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator

Omigosh Flove the smiley! LP has us on a strict diet of one tidbit per day.

Don't know if Lenny has ever said it, but it's been reported that the reason that Casey was spending so much time at Baez's office, was because George had attacked her at one point.

[Gatordog]

Gatordog, not that I remember but noone asked him either I don't think.

What about this for a scenerio? Casey gets mad and kills Caylee the night that Casey was in the motel parking lot alone. She then has the body in the trunk until she can be sure that noone is in the house. She then goes back to the house, wraps the baby in the blanket and the horse is just there and gets into the blanket because of it. She then was going to bury her in the backyard but couldn't because of the ground being so hard.

At that point she puts the baby in the trunk and drives around awhile trying to figure out what to do with her. Then again when she knows that noone is home, she goes back to the house, puts the body in the bags, because it has started to smell. She then goes somewhere to hide, then goes and dumps the body. That would be when she put the dryer sheets in the trunk and when she seen that the smell wasn't going away, she abandons the car.

It would make sense but that was the night of the 15th. George said he saw them noon on the 16th. George needs to tell the truth about everything. The lies are killing him.

gator

[Gatordog]

Loretta, don't forget "Lie To Me" is on soon.

Gator

[applesandorange]

Loretta, don't forget "Lie To Me" is on soon.

Gator


I have it on. :beer:

[javahog]

THAT SLIMEBALL IS STILL SELLING CAYLEE DOLLS! :flamemad:

Maybe its part of the new economic stimulus plan.

[javahog]

Found this....

Cindy Anthony shows Local 6 news reporter Jessica D’Onofrio her home. She tells Jessica that when Casey came home on bail she wanted to sleep in her and George’s bedroom because she couldn’t stand to be in her own room because of all the pictures she had of Caylee hanging in there. She said she didn’t want to go into her bedroom because that is where she and Caylee spent most of their time together. Cindy said that it became more comforting for her to be in their room. She’d sleep with Caylee’s teddy bear. Cindy stressed how hard it was for Casey to sleep.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/19/ng.01.html

I imagine it is also hard to sleep with your angry father pouncing on you, lol!

[applesandorange]

Found this....

Cindy Anthony shows Local 6 news reporter Jessica D’Onofrio her home. She tells Jessica that when Casey came home on bail she wanted to sleep in her and George’s bedroom because she couldn’t stand to be in her own room because of all the pictures she had of Caylee hanging in there. She said she didn’t want to go into her bedroom because that is where she and Caylee spent most of their time together. Cindy said that it became more comforting for her to be in their room. She’d sleep with Caylee’s teddy bear. Cindy stressed how hard it was for Casey to sleep.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/19/ng.01.html


Thanks. It's probably one of those things that either someone said it out of the side of their mouth or I misheard. I coulda swore I heard it though. With how often LP changes the stuff he says I bet I heard it at some point from him. :shrug: Ah well, I remember not believing it when I heard it. Why would LP just now come out and say George confronted Casey? Why wouldn't he have said this from the begining? He spills every other tidbit he has.

[Justice Denied?]

Yes. Cindy confronted Casey about Casey stealing money from Cindy's parents. She choked Casey around the neck. Casey took Caylee and left.

Do we have proof of this? IIRC this came from Lee's statement to LE. Do we know where she spent the night or what time she returned? Was George there and awake when she returned? He states that he saw her and Caylee leave just before 1pm. Sure would like to get this nailed down.

[javahog]

Ah! I must have my thinking cap on tonight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char147.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Cindy is all panicky because she called the police and they haven't shown up yet - she calls Lee and Lee is there in five minutes. Cindy is by herself because Lee and the Liar are in her room talking very low. A while later, the Liar with Lee fesses up that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Now Cindy really goes ape sh**. The Liar is never without her phone. The police get a stupid story about losing a phone and sim cards and the numbers are on the lost phone etc. What if - The Liar gave her phone to Lee while they were whispering in her room. She did not want the police to get it because it might have incriminating phone numbers or no phone calls from Zenaida or maybe it had pictures. So Lee could be an accessory by hiding the phone and she called Lee to get the number off of the phone but she couldn't say he had the phone because of it being recorded.

Gator

Gator...that's beautiful...and explains several things...!

[lorettalockhorn]

It would make sense but that was the night of the 15th. George said he saw them noon on the 16th. George needs to tell the truth about everything. The lies are killing him.

gator

Don't know why, but I think George is lying about the 16th (maybe it's just too weird that he knew what Caylee was wearing), and I think Casey killed Caylee at home on the night/morning of the 15th after the big fight. Can anyone fill me in on the motel story?

Loretta, don't forget "Lie To Me" is on soon.

Gator

Just switched over, thanks!

[applesandorange]

Do we have proof of this? IIRC this came from Lee's statement to LE. Do we know where she spent the night or what time she returned? Was George there and awake when she returned? He states that he saw her and Caylee leave just before 1pm. Sure would like to get this nailed down.


Well from my understanding (which could be wrong) After Casey left that night she was caught on camera in a motel parking lot....ALONE. This is why LP is saying she killed Caylee in that parking lot.

[lorettalockhorn]

Gator...that's beautiful...and explains several things...!

I like it too!

[Justice Denied?]

Wasn't there or hasn't there been discussions about the night that Casey and Cindy got into an argument before Caylee was missing? Something about Cindy grabbed Casey around the neck over something and that was what caused Casey to take Caylee and leave?

I got the impression that alot of people thought that Casey was just keeping Caylee from Cindy out of spite for what happened that night.

I honestly believed that until the lab results from the car trunk were revealed. That sealed it for me. And no matter how you shape it, you can't get around that info.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well from my understanding (which could be wrong) After Casey left that night she was caught on camera in a motel parking lot....ALONE. This is why LP is saying she killed Caylee in that parking lot.

Okay, well if LP says it, then it must be bulls*cough*hit.

[One2Snoop]

Do we have proof of this? IIRC this came from Lee's statement to LE. Do we know where she spent the night or what time she returned? Was George there and awake when she returned? He states that he saw her and Caylee leave just before 1pm. Sure would like to get this nailed down.

This is from the NG Blog....

Wednesday Jan 28. 2009

4 PM ET - Has a motive for the murder of Caylee Anthony finally been revealed? According to reports, a physical confrontation between tot mom Casey Anthony and grandmother Cindy may have sparked Caylee's death. Cindy Anthony reportedly threatened to kick Casey Anthony out of the house and take little Caylee away from her. Meantime, People magazine is reporting there is a direct match between a Winnie the Pooh blanket discovered with Caylee's remains and a sheet set in Caylee's bedroom. Could this be the evidence that sends tot mom Casey Anthony to prison? The countdown begins to Friday's court hearing. Tot mom Casey Anthony is trying to get out of making an appearance, this as her attorney demands prosecutors be thrown off the case, requesting Florida's attorney general take over the trial. (From Stacey Newman, Nancy Grace Producer)


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html

[javahog]

Omigosh Flove the smiley! LP has us on a strict diet of one tidbit per day.

Don't know if Lenny has ever said it, but it's been reported that the reason that Casey was spending so much time at Baez's office, was because George had attacked her at one point.

Don't "link please" me...but I could swear Tim Miller said something about having to hold GA off her...

[Justice Denied?]

Hey Mandi -- I'm new too. I feel the same way about this case. I keep trying to figure out what actually happened!!! How did this family get so screwed up that the daughter kills her child??? I think Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. And at the same time she was enabling, she was becoming resentful and angry toward Casey. So, obviously life in that household was an emotional roller coaster. I'm sure little Caylee witnessed a lot of "knock down drag out" shouting matches between Cindy and Casey. And, likely George was involved,too.

And now we see that Cindy and George REFUSE to acknowledge the truth about Casey. They are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to continue believing Casey is innocent. It all points to their major dysfunction.

I try to put myself in their shoes. I have 3 kids. If one of them did something seriously wrong and was charged with the crime, I would support them, love them, help them to take responsibility for their actions. But I could never lie for them. At the end of the day, truth does set us free.

I believe George and Cindy know and have known since they smelled the odor in that car and later found Casey alive and well. They just don't want to publicly admit it. However on NG tonight, they were saying the Anthony's spokesman says they are not sure.

I agree with you about kids. Nothing a child could do would make me stop loving them. I would give my support but they would for sure be encouraged to tell the truth and face the consequences, whatever they were.

[applesandorange]

Don't "link please" me...but I could swear Tim Miller said something about having to hold GA off her...

Maybe that's where I heard it. From TM not LP. Too many players in this case to remember who said what.

[applesandorange]

This is from the NG Blog....

Wednesday Jan 28. 2009

4 PM ET - Has a motive for the murder of Caylee Anthony finally been revealed? According to reports, a physical confrontation between tot mom Casey Anthony and grandmother Cindy may have sparked Caylee's death. Cindy Anthony reportedly threatened to kick Casey Anthony out of the house and take little Caylee away from her. Meantime, People magazine is reporting there is a direct match between a Winnie the Pooh blanket discovered with Caylee's remains and a sheet set in Caylee's bedroom. Could this be the evidence that sends tot mom Casey Anthony to prison? The countdown begins to Friday's court hearing. Tot mom Casey Anthony is trying to get out of making an appearance, this as her attorney demands prosecutors be thrown off the case, requesting Florida's attorney general take over the trial. (From Stacey Newman, Nancy Grace Producer)


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html


If this is the motive they are using no wonder Cindy doesn't want to believe it. She must be feeling so guilty IMO.

[applesandorange]

Okay, well if LP says it, then it must be bulls*cough*hit.


Yeah I first heard about the motel that night that you were watching Geraldo and I was watching the LP QA.

[Justice Denied?]

Ah! I must have my thinking cap on tonight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char147.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Cindy is all panicky because she called the police and they haven't shown up yet - she calls Lee and Lee is there in five minutes. Cindy is by herself because Lee and the Liar are in her room talking very low. A while later, the Liar with Lee fesses up that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Now Cindy really goes ape sh**. The Liar is never without her phone. The police get a stupid story about losing a phone and sim cards and the numbers are on the lost phone etc. What if - The Liar gave her phone to Lee while they were whispering in her room. She did not want the police to get it because it might have incriminating phone numbers or no phone calls from Zenaida or maybe it had pictures. So Lee could be an accessory by hiding the phone and she called Lee to get the number off of the phone but she couldn't say he had the phone because of it being recorded.

Gator

that is an excellent assumption. I like your thinking. He will say he took it to aid his investigation but it could be construed as hindering the police investigation. That works.

[Lodi]

Ah! I must have my thinking cap on tonight. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char147.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Cindy is all panicky because she called the police and they haven't shown up yet - she calls Lee and Lee is there in five minutes. Cindy is by herself because Lee and the Liar are in her room talking very low. A while later, the Liar with Lee fesses up that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Now Cindy really goes ape sh**. The Liar is never without her phone. The police get a stupid story about losing a phone and sim cards and the numbers are on the lost phone etc. What if - The Liar gave her phone to Lee while they were whispering in her room. She did not want the police to get it because it might have incriminating phone numbers or no phone calls from Zenaida or maybe it had pictures. So Lee could be an accessory by hiding the phone and she called Lee to get the number off of the phone but she couldn't say he had the phone because of it being recorded.

Gator

I suppose the police recovered the phone from Lee that you're speaking of. Somewhere today I saw a photo that police got off Casey's cellphone.

[applesandorange]

that is an excellent assumption. I like your thinking. He will say he took it to aid his investigation but it could be construed as hindering the police investigation. That works.


I agree. Gator good thinking. You may have solved the Lee question. It makes sense. Your theory makes more sense than anything else I have heard. This really could be it. :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Do we have proof of this? IIRC this came from Lee's statement to LE. Do we know where she spent the night or what time she returned? Was George there and awake when she returned? He states that he saw her and Caylee leave just before 1pm. Sure would like to get this nailed down.

I don't think we've heard about the choking from anyone other than Lee. IF it happened, I can't believe that Casey was home on the 16th like nothing happened, and then killed Caylee without a new/different motive.

[Justice Denied?]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator
Yes, he has. Supposedly George went into Cindy's room where Casey was and demanded to know where Caylee was. He supposedly tried to choke the info out of her.

It's a good thing she is out of there. One or the other was going to end up killing her.

[javahog]

Don't "link please" me...but I could swear Tim Miller said something about having to hold GA off her...

Aha!!!http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ijvm.01.html

"When I spoke at Tim Miller (ph) at Equusearch, I said, what`s going on here? He said, well, basically, George went to the room and almost choked her. And she goes to her attorney`s office for some kind of, like, just some kind of like emotional soothing, some kind of, you know, something from Baez."

[applesandorange]

Aha!!!http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ijvm.01.html

"When I spoke at Tim Miller (ph) at Equusearch, I said, what`s going on here? He said, well, basically, George went to the room and almost choked her. And she goes to her attorney`s office for some kind of, like, just some kind of like emotional soothing, some kind of, you know, something from Baez."


Good job Java!! Proof I'm not going crazy lol.

[Amy]

Hello everyone, I'm new here, first post, but have been devoting hours every evening in trying to learn what happened to little Caylee. There's so much info to review, but basically I see that Caylee was a beautiful little angel that didn't have a snowball's chance in h#ll of surviving given the family she was born into.

Am I right that Cindy is a nurse? If so, she is a mandated reporter if child neglect or abuse is suspected. Surely she had to know early on that Casey was neglecting Caylee! Perhaps if she (Cindy) has reported the neglect to CPS (Child Protective Services--or whatever it is called in FL) then Caylee would have been removed from Casey's custody. In this situation children are not always placed in foster care, but with family members that are loving and can provide. I know now that it's a moot point, but I am having extreme difficulty accepting that Caylee was in the care of her monster mother and people close to the situation (G&C) didn't see what was wrong and intervene.

I know one thing, if Casey were my daughter I would tell LE to put me in a room alone with her for just five minutes. That's all it would take--just five little minutes. I'd get the truth one way or another.

God Bless Caylee. She was just a baby for heaven's sake.:rose:

Welcome to the board!!!! Happy posting. If you haven't already seen it, check out the chitchat board (it's a sticky @ the top of the forum.)

It seems NO ONE knew Caylee was being neglected. Especially up to the time Casey left the house. From all her pics and videos, she is the picture of health and happiness, doesn't look like a kid who spent a lot of time being drugged (for baby sitting purposes) even in that last video with PaPa @ the assisted living facility. While most people would be a little suspicious about not ever meeting the granddaughter's nanny--especially when the little girl lived not only in the same town, but in the same HOUSE--seems everyone in Casey's life just accepted that Caylee spent a lot of time w/the nanny.

So, nurse or not, Cindy didn't report neglect cuz she didn't seem to see there was any. Until @ the last, if that was the kind of thing she was threatening Casey about. So it seems.

[Justice Denied?]

Why haven't George and Cindy spoken about this? It seems like all of them act like June 16th was just a normal day? Cindy says she tucked Cindy and Caylee into bed on the 15th. George says he say Casey and Caylee when Casey was heading to work on the 16th and it was like a "normal day."

I think they don't want to come right out and say: "Casey left in a rage on June 15th and took Caylee. And we think she might have harmed her then."

when did Cindy say she tucked them in the night of the 15th? I have never heard that before.

[Amy]

Hey Mandi -- I'm new too. I feel the same way about this case. I keep trying to figure out what actually happened!!! How did this family get so screwed up that the daughter kills her child??? I think Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. And at the same time she was enabling, she was becoming resentful and angry toward Casey. So, obviously life in that household was an emotional roller coaster. I'm sure little Caylee witnessed a lot of "knock down drag out" shouting matches between Cindy and Casey. And, likely George was involved,too.

And now we see that Cindy and George REFUSE to acknowledge the truth about Casey. They are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to continue believing Casey is innocent. It all points to their major dysfunction.

I try to put myself in their shoes. I have 3 kids. If one of them did something seriously wrong and was charged with the crime, I would support them, love them, help them to take responsibility for their actions. But I could never lie for them. At the end of the day, truth does set us free.

Welcome to you, too!!! (Check out the chitchat board--known as discuss anything else here or something like that.)

Don't feel bad about being confused about the case. Seems most of us who have been here from the beginning--heck, most of the people anywhere--are still trying to put pieces together.

Tonight on NG, it was reported that Conway is saying that the A's are backing away from their rabid belief that Casey is innocent. Can't remember how it was put exactly.

[One2Snoop]

Aha!!!http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ijvm.01.html

"When I spoke at Tim Miller (ph) at Equusearch, I said, what`s going on here? He said, well, basically, George went to the room and almost choked her. And she goes to her attorney`s office for some kind of, like, just some kind of like emotional soothing, some kind of, you know, something from Baez."

:beer::seeya:

[javahog]

Good job Java!! Proof I'm not going crazy lol.

Too late :patriot:

I am reassured it was TM and not LP.

[Amy]

George told a neighbor that there was disturbed ground near the pool in the backyard.

And between the blanket and a horse that was part of a set, they can't be sure she didn't do it.

snork. Padilla has a NEW memory from the Anthony house. George demanding to know from Casey where his granddaughter was and there being a ruckus.

That's not new. I can't remember when it was, but I have heard him mention it at least twice now. George went @ her, he got upset because he wasn't getting any info from her. He put his hands around her neck. You know, I keep wondering, why is the fact that Cindy put her hands around Casey's neck big and keeps being brought up over and over, but the time George does it, people don't even comment on it? Except, maybe because people believe that when Cindy did it was when Casey killed Caylee, and when George did it, it didn't factor into how or why Caylee was killed?

[Justice Denied?]

Found this....

Cindy Anthony shows Local 6 news reporter Jessica D’Onofrio her home. She tells Jessica that when Casey came home on bail she wanted to sleep in her and George’s bedroom because she couldn’t stand to be in her own room because of all the pictures she had of Caylee hanging in there. She said she didn’t want to go into her bedroom because that is where she and Caylee spent most of their time together. Cindy said that it became more comforting for her to be in their room. She’d sleep with Caylee’s teddy bear. Cindy stressed how hard it was for Casey to sleep.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/19/ng.01.html

I'll bet the little witch killed Caylee right in her own bedroom. That's why she didn't want to sleep in there.

What was Baez afraid Casey would tell Tracy if he was so convinced Caylee was still alive?

[Amy]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator

Yes, several times. I think this is the 3rd time I have heard him say it. And that the ruckus included that George put his hands around Casey's neck.

[One2Snoop]

On Greta - COMING UP SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A HAM SANDWICH :confused: - MARK FURHMAN TALKS ABOUT ANOTHER CLUE IN THE CASE! Did I hear that right?

[javahog]

That's not new. I can't remember when it was, but I have heard him mention it at least twice now. George went @ her, he got upset because he wasn't getting any info from her. He put his hands around her neck. You know, I keep wondering, why is the fact that Cindy put her hands around Casey's neck big and keeps being brought up over and over, but the time George does it, people don't even comment on it? Except, maybe because people believe that when Cindy did it was when Casey killed Caylee, and when George did it, it didn't factor into how or why Caylee was killed?

Well, by the time George allegedly went for her, Caylee was long gone by then, so it wouldn't relate to that. Cindy supposedly did it the night Caylee disappeared. I know I don't think about it because, frankly, it is as close to a normal reaction to the situation as I've seen in that neck of the woods...

[applesandorange]

Too late :patriot:

I am reassured it was TM and not LP.


LMAO!! You're right! I already admitted that earlier. :beer:

[Justice Denied?]

This is from the NG Blog....

Wednesday Jan 28. 2009

4 PM ET - Has a motive for the murder of Caylee Anthony finally been revealed? According to reports, a physical confrontation between tot mom Casey Anthony and grandmother Cindy may have sparked Caylee's death. Cindy Anthony reportedly threatened to kick Casey Anthony out of the house and take little Caylee away from her. Meantime, People magazine is reporting there is a direct match between a Winnie the Pooh blanket discovered with Caylee's remains and a sheet set in Caylee's bedroom. Could this be the evidence that sends tot mom Casey Anthony to prison? The countdown begins to Friday's court hearing. Tot mom Casey Anthony is trying to get out of making an appearance, this as her attorney demands prosecutors be thrown off the case, requesting Florida's attorney general take over the trial. (From Stacey Newman, Nancy Grace Producer)


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html

Thank you for the info. However, that still doesn't say that Casey left and took Caylee or what time she came back. I think she probably did but would like to have it as a fact.

[applesandorange]

On Greta - COMING UP SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A HAM SANDWICH :confused: - MARK FURHMAN TALKS ABOUT ANOTHER CLUE IN THE CASE! Did I hear that right?


A ham sandwich? WTH?

[Amy]

Maybe that's where I heard it. From TM not LP. Too many players in this case to remember who said what.

Now that you mention it, I guess I could have heard it @ least one of the times from Tim Miller. I do know I have heard it before, and from LP, too. It was on NG, the times I heard it.

[applesandorange]

I'll bet the little witch killed Caylee right in her own bedroom. That's why she didn't want to sleep in there.

What was Baez afraid Casey would tell Tracy if he was so convinced Caylee was still alive?


That's exactly what I was thinking. She couldn't sleep in her own bedroom because that's where she killed Caylee. Of course pics would haunt her in there. Look at me mommy. Look what you did to me. It would be like Caylee was staring at her.

[One2Snoop]

A ham sandwich? WTH?

I was only half listening -- but I'm sure thats what she said. :shrug:

[javahog]

A ham sandwich? WTH?

Maybe somebody finally IS going to indict one.

[applesandorange]

What channel is Greta on?

[javahog]

What channel is Greta on?

Fox News at 7 pst

[Justice Denied?]

Aha!!!http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ijvm.01.html

"When I spoke at Tim Miller (ph) at Equusearch, I said, what`s going on here? He said, well, basically, George went to the room and almost choked her. And she goes to her attorney`s office for some kind of, like, just some kind of like emotional soothing, some kind of, you know, something from Baez."
And wouldn't we like to know what kind of soothing????????

[Amy]

when did Cindy say she tucked them in the night of the 15th? I have never heard that before.

I don't know for SURE, but I think in interviews. Cindy tucks them in, after a "normal, quiet evening" --those pesky neighbors with their telling LE there had been a fight--pffft!!!! George (who must have been @ work?) hears them sleeping when he comes home. Guess one or the other or both must have been snorers? Then, even tho he didn't see them around the morning of the 16th (Cindy having already gone to work) he "knew" they were in a (Casey's? Caylee's?) bedroom all morning. yeah, George every little 2 year old kid can just play quietly all morning in her room, not asking for a snack or drink or to go to the bathroom? I guess they were able to dress quietly, too, as the ony time he says he saw them was when they left for Casey to go to work about 1pm.

[One2Snoop]

What channel is Greta on?

Fox New Channel

[lorettalockhorn]

Aha!!!http://www.cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ijvm.01.html

"When I spoke at Tim Miller (ph) at Equusearch, I said, what`s going on here? He said, well, basically, George went to the room and almost choked her. And she goes to her attorney`s office for some kind of, like, just some kind of like emotional soothing, some kind of, you know, something from Baez."

Thanks Java! Emotional soothing between an attorney and Casey Anthony just sounds ooky.

[javahog]

And wouldn't we like to know what kind of soothing????????

No...just...no...

[applesandorange]

Maybe somebody finally IS going to indict one.

I bet it has to do with that "meat" that the one expert was talking about finding in the trunk once.

ETA It was Henry Lee

[applesandorange]

Fox News at 7 pst

Thanks

[Amy]

Maybe somebody finally IS going to indict one.

Good thing I had swallowed my pop!!!! (Too bad I hadn't emptied my bladder, tho!)

[applesandorange]

Fox New Channel

Thank you!

[lorettalockhorn]

On Greta - COMING UP SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A HAM SANDWICH :confused: - MARK FURHMAN TALKS ABOUT ANOTHER CLUE IN THE CASE! Did I hear that right?

Dayum! The Grammy Hammy Sammy played a big part in the timetable and subsequent acquittal of Kevin Jones in the Nona Dirksmeyer case. You just never know.

Maybe somebody finally IS going to indict one.

LMFAO

[Gatordog]

Local Fox channel had news - The defense is still holding Caylee's remains. They have not released them to the family for burial. The bones were turned over to them on December 23. Dr, Ceril Wecht states that they should have been turned over long ago. He said that this wasn't for a training class full of students.

Gator

[javahog]

Local Fox channel had news - The defense is still holding Caylee's remains. They have not released them to the family for burial. The bones were turned over to them on December 23. Dr, Ceril Wecht states that they should have been turned over long ago. He said that this wasn't for a training class full of students.

Gator

I tell you, its going to come out-Casey is holding the last card in her deck. Support me or no funeral, ever. Tell me she isn't lizard-cold enough?! She has NO OTHER LEVERAGE anymore, she won't let go of this easy. imo.

[One2Snoop]

I'm confused about the ham sandwich LOL. :confused:

[javahog]

So, according to Fuhrman, the car had cheese and ham in the trunk. LE said no meat. "Other side" says there was ham. It was a chunk 'o ham, and a chunk 'o cheese, not a sandwich. The bag of trash was recovered from the tow yard after George told them. So the defense is claiming they didn't get all the trash form the trunk in the towyard.

Great. Casey is telling the defense that she not only left food in the trunk, she knows WHAT food. "No really, I left a ham in the trunk in hot weather!" Yuck.

None of the video cameras from the AMSCOT saved the video. All gone. So Tony is the one who had to confirm he picked up she-devil.

This is all gvs tonight, fyi

[One2Snoop]

So, according to Fuhrman, the car had cheese and ham in the trunk. LE said no meat. "Other side" says there was ham. It was a chunk 'o ham, and a chunk 'o cheese, not a sandwich. The bag of trash was recovered from the tow yard after George told them. So the defense is claiming they didn't get all the trash form the trunk in the towyard.

Great. Casey is telling the defense that she not only left food in the trunk, she knows WHAT food. "No really, I left a ham in the trunk in hot weather!" Yuck.

None of the video cameras from the AMSCOT saved the video. All gone. So Tony is the one who had to confirm he picked up she-devil.

This is all gvs tonight, fyi

Does Baez actually think anyones going to believe Casey's Ham story? LOL

[Gatordog]

I suppose the police recovered the phone from Lee that you're speaking of. Somewhere today I saw a photo that police got off Casey's cellphone.

She had more than one phone - the one with everything on it is the one that was stolen from her desk at work.:cool: Gator

[One2Snoop]

This is the first time they are getting any kind of psychiatric help. I'm sure any one of the people counseling has discussed many things about the 'truth' with them, as it's part of his healing. ie :confront your fears............Cindy would also be counseled. Is this a 'moment' that has come out of this help they're getting? I hope so!


Just watched Greta..........WTH??? I don't understand the hype. :confused:


You and me both. :beer: If Casey is saying there was ham in the bag we know it has to be a lie LOL.

[Gatordog]

OK Mark Furhman says the defense believes the decomposition stink throughout the whole car was from a ham sandwich. IMO - the defense has just jumped the shark. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-031.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Amy]

I tell you, its going to come out-Casey is holding the last card in her deck. Support me or no funeral, ever. Tell me she isn't lizard-cold enough?! She has NO OTHER LEVERAGE anymore, she won't let go of this easy. imo.

So, there is a possibility that she is using poor Caylee as a pawn in death, even as she did in life. So glad Caylee's little soul has been in heaven from the instant her mother killed her.

[One2Snoop]

OK Mark Furhman says the defense believes the decomposition stink throughout the whole car was from a ham sandwich. IMO - the defense has just jumped the shark. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-031.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

I wonder if they conducted their own experiment? LOL this is beyond ridiculous.

[applesandorange]

You and me both. :beer: If Casey is saying there was ham in the bag we know it has to be a lie LOL.

Yeah and what's the big deal whether there was or wasn't ham? Is she trying to say that a rotten ham caused that stench and that because it wasn't recovered they can't say without a doubt it didn't? I mean seriously WTH is so big about this ham?

[Gatordog]

On Lie To Me, they stated that touching the neck while answering a question indicates lying. I just saw a clip on NG where Cindy asks the Liar if she thinks that Caylee could have been taken out of the country and the Liar touches her check and rubs it down her neck. HMMM

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Local Fox channel had news - The defense is still holding Caylee's remains. They have not released them to the family for burial. The bones were turned over to them on December 23. Dr, Ceril Wecht states that they should have been turned over long ago. He said that this wasn't for a training class full of students.

Gator

Bout time he showed up!

http://i41.tinypic.com/2aq9hu.jpg

I don't doubt for a minute that the defense is holding (withholding the remains), but I would love to know Fox's source.

[javahog]

She had more than one phone - the one with everything on it is the one that was stolen from her desk at work.:cool: Gator

And they stole the desk and the office and the other employees and the HR records and..oh, wait, none of that happened!

[Justice Denied?]

Does Baez actually think anyones going to believe Casey's Ham story? LOL

Is he stupid enough to think he can put her on the stand to tell that story? How's he gonna get it on the record.

Didn't Tony say Casey had groceries when he picked her up - at least some popcycle type treats and something for supper. Why didn't she take the ham and cheeze?

[Amy]

OK Mark Furhman says the defense believes the decomposition stink throughout the whole car was from a ham sandwich. IMO - the defense has just jumped the shark. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-animal-031.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

But, but, but---pizza--what about the pizza, folks? Team Baez hasn't ever come out about the ham, never denied the pizza thingie. Oh, I know, he was keeping this under his hat for a BOMBSHELL!!!!!

[applesandorange]

chunk o ham, chunk o cheese, chunk of pizza, dead squirrels...she should make up her fricken mind. Casey,If you're gonna lie at least stick to one thing so you can remember it)

Yeah and if nobody has the ham how can they prove there was one? Take the liars word? HAHA RIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTT

[lorettalockhorn]

And they stole the desk and the office and the other employees and the HR records and..oh, wait, none of that happened!

It's the absolute worst case of white collar crime evah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gatordog]

All this talk about a ham sandwich made me hungry. Good thing I have tomorrow's lunch already made and in the frig - a ham sandwich.:D Guess I'll be eating it any minute.

Gator

[javahog]

So, there is a possibility that she is using poor Caylee as a pawn in death, even as she did in life. So glad Caylee's little soul has been in heaven from the instant her mother killed her.

The ancient Egyptians believed your spirit was trapped until released by the funeral. I am glad that sort of thing isn't another thing the Anthony's are dealing with...small blessing.

[javahog]

chunk o ham, chunk o cheese, chunk of pizza, dead squirrels...she should make up her fricken mind. Casey,If you're gonna lie at least stick to one thing so you can remember it)

roflmao!!! Oh, the image in my head!!!!

[Gatordog]

Yeah and if nobody has the ham how can they prove there was one? Take the liars word? HAHA RIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTT

If there was a ham sandwich anywhere in the vacinity of the Liar, she'd eat it. We know how much she loves pork.

Gator

[applesandorange]

Tonight NG was more than the usual 7 minutes of info. Interesting but they are still holding back. Especially Padilla. I get that he knows a lot more than the usual trivia. He's going to burst with info. I can see that. He's still a pompous ass but he knows more than he's allowed to tell. There's something skeevy about his first hand info that speaks to their private life after the bail out. They had strangers crawling all over that house.

Casey did more than kill her child, she killed the family that let her walk all over them and she killed their illusion. I don't think Cindy is any less ready for that psyche ward than George was.

I feel sorry for George of course but I believe the truth, facing it and grieving it all is more therapeutic for George than his illusion anyway. He did live a lie. he lived a lie for many years while raising Casey too. That's why we're here.

For Caylee:rose:


I too think Padilla knows more than he's allowed to say. I think given the chance he would spill all. I would love for him to do an hour show just himself with callers calling in asking questions and nobody to interrupt his answers.

[applesandorange]

If there was a ham sandwich anywhere in the vacinity of the Liar, she'd eat it. We know how much she loves pork.

Gator


This is true. I can't wait to see what she looks like by trial time.

[javahog]

I too think Padilla knows more than he's allowed to say. I think given the chance he would spill all. I would love for him to do an hour show just himself with callers calling in asking questions and nobody to interrupt his answers.

I have suspicions. Sometimes it feels like LP is trolling these boards and then presenting his little tidbits. His theories/statements of fact seem to follow them appearing here...but that may be a coinkidink...

[lorettalockhorn]

I too think Padilla knows more than he's allowed to say. I think given the chance he would spill all. I would love for him to do an hour show just himself with callers calling in asking questions and nobody to interrupt his answers.

Well, if that thing the other night was any indication, it would be bunk. Pfft

Honestly, I think Padilla just goes on and on hoping that he'll be on the witness list or something. (Or maybe he is and I just haven't seen it.) He's one of the worst media whores.

[applesandorange]

I have suspicions. Sometimes it feels like LP is trolling these boards and then presenting his little tidbits. His theories/statements of fact seem to follow them appearing here...but that may be a coinkidink...

I've noticed that same thing with NG. Maybe they really do troll boards to see what people are talking about and if there are any valid points to be discussed. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[applesandorange]

Well, if that thing the other night was any indication, it would be bunk. Pfft

Honestly, I think Padilla just goes on and on hoping that he'll be on the witness list or something. (Or maybe he is and I just haven't seen it.) He's one of the worst media whores.

If nothing else it would be entertaining. I like to hear his theories even if I don't believe them. Makes me think.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have suspicions. Sometimes it feels like LP is trolling these boards and then presenting his little tidbits. His theories/statements of fact seem to follow them appearing here...but that may be a coinkidink...

Wasn't it last night that LP mentioned something about what was being discussed in chat rooms? The convos the other night when he held audience were revolting.

[javahog]

Not saying that keeping Caylee's remains is a good thing, but I'm happy she hasn't been cremated yet. It would be devastating if her remains are needed for further testing, so I'm relieved there's been no mention of cremation recently.

I hope Jose Baez has people reading our forum.. If I remember it was done on our CTV board on Laci's case.

It is time for Jose Baez to get past his ego. Past his Puerto Rican "I am the first to have a big case" stuff. It is time to take the advice of more experienced defense counsel. It is time to take a plea. It is almost comical, watching LE pile up point after point while Baez tries to swipe at them...Like using your hand to ward off a swarm of bees!

there is No more talk of the 'half of the story we don't know'. No more talk of the Nanny..... There is nothing left to stand on, Jose. You know your client is guilty. You can still Bow out gracefully..do it while you still can. You might be able to get away with your dignity intact, and possibly regain the respect of your peers, and keep your career.

Think about it.

Oh, and Jose? We're not stupid. Take your samples for further testing and tell Casey to release the body already. Lacy Peterson and Connor? They buried them. Even Anna Nichole was buried eventually. Bury the baby.

[Justice Denied?]

Not saying that keeping Caylee's remains is a good thing, but I'm happy she hasn't been cremated yet. It would be devastating if her remains are needed for further testing, so I'm relieved there's been no mention of cremation recently.

I hope Jose Baez has people reading our forum.. If I remember it was done on our CTV board on Laci's case.

It is time for Jose Baez to get past his ego. Past his Puerto Rican "I am the first to have a big case" stuff. It is time to take the advice of more experienced defense counsel. It is time to take a plea. It is almost comical, watching LE pile up point after point while Baez tries to swipe at them...Like using your hand to ward off a swarm of bees!

there is No more talk of the 'half of the story we don't know'. No more talk of the Nanny..... There is nothing left to stand on, Jose. You know your client is guilty. You can still Bow out gracefully..do it while you still can. You might be able to get away with your dignity intact, and possibly regain the respect of your peers, and keep your career.

Think about it.

I do not believe that Casey will ever allow Baez to plead out her case. For one thing she wants the media attention of a trial and for another I think she actually believes she will get off. JMO

[Gatordog]

I am sure he has the phone - watch this and listen to his questions. He has the info before she answers. He is stating he saw her calls. This is why it seems as if they are talking in code.

Gotcha Lee

Gator

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8005400&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Gatordog]

Lee asks her a question pertaining to a timeline if it was about two hours before she reached out to mom. I think it was the other way around. These questions are starting to make more sense.

Gator

[javahog]

Lee asks her a question pertaining to a timeline if it was about two hours before she reached out to mom. I think it was the other way around. These questions are starting to make more sense.

Gator

I really think you pegged it.

I can totally see how a brother would hide a phone at first...

[Zingo]

I don't think we've heard about the choking from anyone other than Lee. IF it happened, I can't believe that Casey was home on the 16th like nothing happened, and then killed Caylee without a new/different motive.

I agree. I just never saw the logic in KC returning to the house on the 16th (after leaving) and then suddenly deciding to kill Caylee. The argument as motive makes the most sense. And we know from the jailhouse videos that KC has a temper!

[javahog]

Lee asks her a question pertaining to a timeline if it was about two hours before she reached out to mom. I think it was the other way around. These questions are starting to make more sense.

Gator

This is why in the July 26 phone call he was asking for all the number information because he was sent on a wild goose chase by Casey, I'll bet. And he couldn't figure out about her Blackjack and sim card switching, how he couldn't find any calls from the nanny...and why they said they would have worded things differently if they knew it was being recorded the previous meeting...oh, yeah!

Bet she convinced him to use her phone as a clue to find Caylee, but only she knew there was no Casey left to find. He was just holding it, hiding it, trying to help Caylee (and Casey). Obstruction!

[Lodi]

This is why in the July 26 phone call he was asking for all the number information because he was sent on a wild goose chase by Casey, I'll bet. And he couldn't figure out about her Blackjack and sim card switching, how he couldn't find any calls from the nanny...and why they said they would have worded things differently if they knew it was being recorded the previous meeting...oh, yeah!

Bet she convinced him to use her phone as a clue to find Caylee, but only she knew there was no Casey left to find. He was just holding it, hiding it, trying to help Caylee (and Casey). Obstruction!

It's so obvious that he had her phone. Why didn't LE ask him for the phone and lock him up if he refused to give it up? Or is it possible that he was working with LE at the time?

[applesandorange]

It's so obvious that he had her phone. Why didn't LE ask him for the phone and lock him up if he refused to give it up? Or is it possible that he was working with LE at the time?


Well if it was so obvious than why didn't anyone bring it up before? Eh, Eh Lodi? Why didnt you say something sooner?

[Lodi]

Well if it was so obvious than why didn't anyone bring it up before? Eh, Eh Lodi? Why didnt you say something sooner?

Never looked at it before. Y'all just got my interest in it about 15 minutes ago.
He spells it all out in english. He just don't give names or numbers.

If LE saw this, I'm sure he was working with them.

[applesandorange]

Never looked at it before. Y'all just got my interest in it about 15 minutes ago.
He spells it all out in english. He just don't give names or numbers.

If LE saw this, I'm sure he was working with them.


I originally thought he was going by the cell phone records. If it wasn't for Gator bringing it up that's what I would still be thinking. It is obvious now that lights been shed on it I agree. But before Gator brought it up we were all in the dark on it. My only question about it is why would Casey give him the phone right then and there when she didn't know what LE was going to do? She didn't know they were going to drive her to all those locations, didn't know they were going to haul her into jail. So why did she give him that phone that night? Do you think she gave it to him at another time?

[javahog]

I originally thought he was going by the cell phone records. If it wasn't for Gator bringing it up that's what I would still be thinking. It is obvious now that lights been shed on it I agree. But before Gator brought it up we were all in the dark on it. My only question about it is why would Casey give him the phone right then and there when she didn't know what LE was going to do? She didn't know they were going to drive her to all those locations, didn't know they were going to haul her into jail. So why did she give him that phone that night? Do you think she gave it to him at another time?

Oh, I can picture this so clearly. She told him that since mom was calling the police, they would see -----(something petty) on her phone. He said sure, I'll hold it for you. Can't let mom find out about (too many boyfriends, a drug deal text, whatever) I'll bet they helped each other with stupid sibling stuff all the time. Then it morphed into using it to find Caylee. You and me against the world, big brother.

My gut instinct is he got duped, but willingly and gradually. But note someone said they saw a picture LE got off her phone? Then LE has her phone now.

[Lodi]

I originally thought he was going by the cell phone records. If it wasn't for Gator bringing it up that's what I would still be thinking. It is obvious now that lights been shed on it I agree. But before Gator brought it up we were all in the dark on it. My only question about it is why would Casey give him the phone right then and there when she didn't know what LE was going to do? She didn't know they were going to drive her to all those locations, didn't know they were going to haul her into jail. So why did she give him that phone that night? Do you think she gave it to him at another time?

He was her closest confidant. I have no guess as to when or how he got her phone but she knew the jig was up. She wouldn't want the police to have her phone. Lee convinced her that he was on her side and she took him for his word. If Lee had any sense at all, he would not be playing games and deceiving LE, so I would say these recorded jail meetings were orchestrated by LE.

[applesandorange]

He was her closest confidant. I have no guess as to when or how he got her phone but she knew the jig was up. She wouldn't want the police to have her phone. Lee convinced her that he was on her side and she took him for his word. If Lee had any sense at all, he would not be playing games and deceiving LE, so I would say these recorded jail meetings were orchestrated by LE.


But if he was working with LE this whole time or even in the begining and gave them the phone why does it seem like charges are going to be filed against him? I'm missing something. Didn't you say earlier you saw a pic of the phone and LE had it? What was the pic of?

[applesandorange]

Oh, I can picture this so clearly. She told him that since mom was calling the police, they would see -----(something petty) on her phone. He said sure, I'll hold it for you. Can't let mom find out about (too many boyfriends, a drug deal text, whatever) I'll bet they helped each other with stupid sibling stuff all the time. Then it morphed into using it to find Caylee. You and me against the world, big brother.

My gut instinct is he got duped, but willingly and gradually. But note someone said they saw a picture LE got off her phone? Then LE has her phone now.


But I'm just not getting why she would think LE would want her phone from the get go. I had to file a report with the police a few years ago and they never asked for my phone.

[Zingo]

I am sure he has the phone - watch this and listen to his questions. He has the info before she answers. He is stating he saw her calls. This is why it seems as if they are talking in code.

Gotcha Lee

Gator

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8005400&version=1&locale=EN-US


Thanks for posting this. I hadn't watched the entire interview before. It seems like Lee was trying to find one of Casey's friends who could tell him what Casey couldn't. That's what it seemed like to me. Then he was trying to figure out what area codes Zani might have used. I think he could have just had the phone records, not the phone itself. But I don't know.

That Casey is such a b****.

She was laughing and acting all flippant about the media. Lee is trying to seriously find Caylee. He's talking about all the support and resources going into the search. And Casey just sits there and says, "That's good. We need all the support we can get."

Think of the millions of dollars that have been wasted on the search for Caylee when Casey knew the truth. And other missing children are still missing. Thankfully Lee kept that in perspective when he mentioned the bracelet he was wearing for a little boy who was missing.

I HATE Casey!!!!!!! :flamemad:

[Lodi]

But if he was working with LE this whole time or even in the begining and gave them the phone why does it seem like charges are going to be filed against him? I'm missing something. Didn't you say earlier you saw a pic of the phone and LE had it? What was the pic of?

I wonder if there is anything to talk of charges. Maybe that's being put out to make Casey think he is still trying to help her but he's getting in trouble over it.

The pic may be the one where Annie and Casey are sitting in her car. You can see Caylee's face between them. I'm not sure if that is the one.

[Zingo]

But if he was working with LE this whole time or even in the begining and gave them the phone why does it seem like charges are going to be filed against him? I'm missing something. Didn't you say earlier you saw a pic of the phone and LE had it? What was the pic of?

Here's what my "gut" is telling me (geez, I hate that expression now after Casey uses it constantly) ... I think Lee was not working with LE, but trying independently to solve the crime -- even "interviewing" key witnesses and friends of Casey's. That alone could constitute obstruction a) if it could somehow be construed as witness tampering, or b) if he didn't share everything he learned. I don't have any idea what he learned, but he seems sincere in this jail video.

I just hate how Casey has them all like putty in her hands. Nobody dares to question her. If she were my sister I would be asking: "What the hell happened to Caylee? What did you do to her? Why did you lie to police about a non-existant nanny, and all the lies you told mom the last 30 days?"

Lee was being PLAYED by Casey. And I think deep down he knew it.

[lorettalockhorn]

This convo took place on 8/28, so by that time maybe Casey's bill had arrived and Lee (and LE) had the information. Or it's possible that Casey left the phone behind and Lee had it since the time that he brought Casey's belongings back the night the jig was up. (She told LE that she had lost the phone; maybe she just didn't bring it home knowing that she would tell LE that it was missing.) If Lee kept it all that time, knowing fully well that the phone data was so important to the investigation, how could that be construed as unwittingly helping Casey? And if that's true, talking about the information from the phone without turning it over to LE seems like some sort of collusion to me.

Does anyone understand Luka's answer to the question about why Lee couldn't simply go to LE and explain whatever it is that he has unknowingly done?

[lorettalockhorn]

Never looked at it before. Y'all just got my interest in it about 15 minutes ago.
He spells it all out in english. He just don't give names or numbers.

If LE saw this, I'm sure he was working with them.

I can't for a minute believe that LE would ask these people to work for them, or go undercover, or any of that. By this time they all stunk to high heaven.

[browneyes106]

Thanks for posting this. I hadn't watched the entire interview before. It seems like Lee was trying to find one of Casey's friends who could tell him what Casey couldn't. That's what it seemed like to me. Then he was trying to figure out what area codes Zani might have used. I think he could have just had the phone records, not the phone itself. But I don't know.

That Casey is such a b****.

She was laughing and acting all flippant about the media. Lee is trying to seriously find Caylee. He's talking about all the support and resources going into the search. And Casey just sits there and says, "That's good. We need all the support we can get."

Think of the millions of dollars that have been wasted on the search for Caylee when Casey knew the truth. And other missing children are still missing. Thankfully Lee kept that in perspective when he mentioned the bracelet he was wearing for a little boy who was missing.

I HATE Casey!!!!!!! :flamemad:

Well said post. The issue of all the money that was spent to search for Caylee when she was dead really bugs me too. There are other missing children and missing adult cases in which they people really are missing and possibly dead. I applaud Tim Miller, Leonard Padilla, LE and the volunteers for what they did for Caylee. Casey knew the truth all along and the Ant's were denial and believed Caylee was still alive. I think the Anthony's should pay some kind of restitution to law enforcement, TES and any other organization that was involved in the searches. For example George, Cindy and Lee could pay money each month let's say for the next twenty years. Are DP inmates in
Florida required to have jobs because if they do and Casey ends on DP any cent she makes should to towards resitution. I know it would impossible for the Ants to pay millions of dollars but they should at pay some of money of the back that was used to search for Caylee. In the past year I have noticed that MySpace and Facebook have become good awarness tools for missing children and adults and I think Casey probably at one point say a MySpace profile for a missing child or adult and used that idea to play up her mother of a missing child. I think Casey and the Ants should be forced to pay for their false claims.

[lorettalockhorn]

But I'm just not getting why she would think LE would want her phone from the get go. I had to file a report with the police a few years ago and they never asked for my phone.

They wanted her phone to verify all the supposed phone numbers that Zanny had used. I think she told them from the beginning that Zanny was always changing numbers and service. (You can't keep your number in FL?)

[Lodi]

Here's what my "gut" is telling me (geez, I hate that expression now after Casey uses it constantly) ... I think Lee was not working with LE, but trying independently to solve the crime -- even "interviewing" key witnesses and friends of Casey's. That alone could constitute obstruction a) if it could somehow be construed as witness tampering, or b) if he didn't share everything he learned. I don't have any idea what he learned, but he seems sincere in this jail video.

I just hate how Casey has them all like putty in her hands. Nobody dares to question her. If she were my sister I would be asking: "What the hell happened to Caylee? What did you do to her? Why did you lie to police about a non-existant nanny, and all the lies you told mom the last 30 days?"
Lee was being PLAYED by Casey. And I think deep down he knew it.

Lee knows Casey as well as anyone. When he heard the story that Caylee has been missing for 30 days. Heard about the stinking car. Listened to Casey's story about the Nanny taking Caylee. He knew the truth then. After being questioned by LE, he knew that he had no choice but to cooperate in trying to get the truth out of Casey and all her friends.

[Lodi]

I can't for a minute believe that LE would ask these people to work for them, or go undercover, or any of that. By this time they all stunk to high heaven.

Lee is the only one that appears to try and pinpoint the details. I don't see it in G&C.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lee is the only one that appears to try and pinpoint the details. I don't see it in G&C.

Funny we never see him trying to pin her down on the Zenaida details. Like where she lived, or what her number was, or where it was stored in the phone, or how Casey paid her. Funny he would even bother, considering she tried to set him up as a pervert who tried to molest her.

[Lodi]

Funny we never see him trying to pin her down on the Zenaida details. Like where she lived, or what her number was, or where it was stored in the phone, or how Casey paid her. Funny he would even bother, considering she tried to set him up as a pervert who tried to molest her.

My guess is that he was trying to get a timeline and identification of each call and text that had been made. He and LE already would know her answers given about Zenaida and probably knew the answers were just made up. Her setting him up as a pervert would give him more motive to work with the police. He wasn 't trying to help her, he was trying to find out what happened to Caylee.

[Native Alien]

But if he was working with LE this whole time or even in the begining and gave them the phone why does it seem like charges are going to be filed against him? I'm missing something. Didn't you say earlier you saw a pic of the phone and LE had it? What was the pic of?

LE tried to download the pics on Casey's phone and couldn't get it to work with their software, so they took photos of the pics on the phone. I think that was in Lee's interview. I also remember the LE detective thanking Lee for the list with the numbers and names on it. So it could be that Lee did give them her phone after he had gotten everything off of it for them. This was all in the interview where they asked him if he had called some of the numbers.

[Native Alien]

I couldn't edit the above post so I am posting this here.

I went to OTR overnight, and did some video watching. Some things that I found came from Dr. Michael Baden. He said that chloroform can be detected in the hair. Also he stated that there was a mountain of forensic evidence that could be gleaned from the duct tape.

He went on to say that even after a year, after being submerged that they could still lift fingerprints.

[eatcupcakes]

I watched it too and though I've seen it before, I still heard things I hadn't before. I agree that Lee kept the focus on all missing children. He's a bright guy but he was playing lawyer and she was obviously annoyed. She kept taking deep breaths. I also think she has gotten him involved and owns his sorry Arse. He's afraid of her. She was in her heaven with that and enjoying his discomfort.


IMO

Casey is still enjoying control. She has the truth and she is not telling which is controlling everyone even us. We are all talking about this, trying to figure it out and she knows it all. She is gonna go straight to hell when she dies so even if she dosen't get the DP, she is still gonna fry. I don't think the Proscution is gonna as for the DP because of the family. THey are Caylee's family and I think a jury and a judge are gonna take that into consideration when the Liar is sentensed. No one is going to be responsible for adding more grief to this family, espically George.

[eatcupcakes]

So right dear!

They will probably wipe her out in the big house. She's in jail now, not prison. Prison is another world and it aint pretty. There'll be no chit chat about the food there. She will scream to high heaven for mercy.

Unless she is in protective custody in Prison, and she probable will be because the other prisoners will kill her because they hate child killers. I think they should put her in the general population and turn their backs and go deaf. Oh and give the other prisoners lots of duct tape.

[deacon]

I agree. I just never saw the logic in KC returning to the house on the 16th (after leaving) and then suddenly deciding to kill Caylee. The argument as motive makes the most sense. And we know from the jailhouse videos that KC has a temper!

Yes, she does have quite a temper and that could be her down fall. If only someone could get her to lose it on the right subject she just may spill the beans and say more than she wants to.

[eatcupcakes]

Yes, she does have quite a temper and that could be her down fall. If only someone could get her to lose it on the right subject she just may spill the beans and say more than she wants to.

That is the one thing she is never gonna admit. Her only support is coming from her parents and they are the ones putting money in her jail account. If she admits to the crime she will loose her only support. As long as she keeps denying her parents will always have doubt that she did it and there will always be money in her account for treats.

[sharlock]

Okay, now Padilla http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char092.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) has come up with another juicy tidbit. Did he ever say before that Geoge confronted the Liar in the house wanting to know where his granddaughter is?

Gator
This was discussed back when we were questioning the amount of time kc was sppending at JB's office and someone said that it was because George confronted kc and started strangling her and so Baez wanted to keep her out of the house as much as possible. I am pretty sure this came from LP originally so he has mentioned it before.

[eatcupcakes]

This was discussed back when we were questioning the amount of time kc was sppending at JB's office and someone said that it was because George confronted kc and started strangling her and so Baez wanted to keep her out of the house as much as possible. I am pretty sure this came from LP originally so he has mentioned it before.

Are you saying both her parents tryed to strangle her. I heard him say that George confronted her and wanted to know where Caylee was, I didn't hear anything about George strangling her. I thought only Cindy did that. I want to stangle her to. I bet there are others out there who want to strangle her as well. Was it Murder on the Orient Express that each person on the train stabbed the person who was found dead. We can all strangle her so no one can be found guilty, LOL

[Zingo]

Ok, I've been thinking about what happened, and I really believe that after Cindy apparently tried to choke Casey, that Casey stormed out with Caylee and killed her. I think Casey was so incensed that her mother put her hands on HER and threated to take away Caylee, that she put her hands on Caylee and either choked or suffocated her.

I just don't know if the murder occurred at the house or at the motel.

And I don't understand how the duct tape fits in.

[eatcupcakes]

very good likeness of LP, where do you get these adorable little icons. What do you think about LP. I personally think he is full of Bull and loves to hear himself talk. NG only has him on because he is the only one who has contact with the Ants. Everything he says other then what he experienced in the house is speculation. He stated flat out last night that Cindy will be in court tomorrow, let see if he is right.

[eatcupcakes]

Ok, I've been thinking about what happened, and I really believe that after Cindy apparently tried to choke Casey, that Casey stormed out with Caylee and killed her. I think Casey was so incensed that her mother put her hands on HER and threated to take away Caylee, that she put her hands on Caylee and either choked or suffocated her.

I just don't know if the murder occurred at the house or at the motel.

And I don't understand how the duct tape fits in.

Maybe after she killed her she was sorry. It appears that by wrapping her in her favorite blanket, putting her toys with her and the heart sticker that she was trying to comfort her daughter in some sick way. Maybe she put the tape over her mouth so bugs would not get into Caylee's mouth. Just a thought.

[Native Alien]

Ok, I've been thinking about what happened, and I really believe that after Cindy apparently tried to choke Casey, that Casey stormed out with Caylee and killed her. I think Casey was so incensed that her mother put her hands on HER and threated to take away Caylee, that she put her hands on Caylee and either choked or suffocated her.

I just don't know if the murder occurred at the house or at the motel.

And I don't understand how the duct tape fits in.

Question here. Didn't I hear or read that they took the mattress off Caylee's bed at one point for testing?

[Native Alien]

Maybe after she killed her she was sorry. It appears that by wrapping her in her favorite blanket, putting her toys with her and the heart sticker that she was trying to comfort her daughter in some sick way. Maybe she put the tape over her mouth so bugs would not get into Caylee's mouth. Just a thought.

I was just thinking the same thing about the duct tape. Remember we are not dealing with a rational, nor overly intelligent person here.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by mandi3020 http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9158509#post9158509)
Hello everyone, I'm new here, first post, but have been devoting hours every evening in trying to learn what happened to little Caylee. There's so much info to review, but basically I see that Caylee was a beautiful little angel that didn't have a snowball's chance in h#ll of surviving given the family she was born into.

Am I right that Cindy is a nurse? If so, she is a mandated reporter if child neglect or abuse is suspected. Surely she had to know early on that Casey was neglecting Caylee! Perhaps if she (Cindy) has reported the neglect to CPS (Child Protective Services--or whatever it is called in FL) then Caylee would have been removed from Casey's custody. In this situation children are not always placed in foster care, but with family members that are loving and can provide. I know now that it's a moot point, but I am having extreme difficulty accepting that Caylee was in the care of her monster mother and people close to the situation (G&C) didn't see what was wrong and intervene.

I know one thing, if Casey were my daughter I would tell LE to put me in a room alone with her for just five minutes. That's all it would take--just five little minutes. I'd get the truth one way or another.

God Bless Caylee. She was just a baby for heaven's sake.
:rose:
Hey Mandi -- I'm new too. I feel the same way about this case. I keep trying to figure out what actually happened!!! How did this family get so screwed up that the daughter kills her child??? I think Cindy has enabled Casey her whole life. And at the same time she was enabling, she was becoming resentful and angry toward Casey. So, obviously life in that household was an emotional roller coaster. I'm sure little Caylee witnessed a lot of "knock down drag out" shouting matches between Cindy and Casey. And, likely George was involved,too.

And now we see that Cindy and George REFUSE to acknowledge the truth about Casey. They are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to continue believing Casey is innocent. It all points to their major dysfunction.

I try to put myself in their shoes. I have 3 kids. If one of them did something seriously wrong and was charged with the crime, I would support them, love them, help them to take responsibility for their actions. But I could never lie for them. At the end of the day, truth does set us free.
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Nice to see some new faces on the board:seeya:

[Gatordog]

What a great bunch of super sleuths!
Holy S**t. What a bunch of snakes They are, trying to get over! Obstruction!!! Gator, out to you. In your post above, are you and they referring to the 2 hours before her flurry of calls to Cindy on the 17th? What is he trying to say? He's referencing those few or 2 people and her texts back and forth 2 hours before it happened?

Is he an ass for believing or do I have it wrong?

Isn't this new phone they talk about, bought about 3 months ago (she said), the same phone bought with the money she stole from Poppa's acct (or from shirley routing # on her check?) I remember approx amount of $235 or so............

He didn't mention a date, but he said something about her making three calls before she reached out to Mom. I took it to be when Cindy found her. Of course she didn't reach out to her Mom, her Mom found her and forced her to go home. I was really sleepy and couldn't watch the whole video. I intend to do that today with clearer senses and more clues.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I originally thought he was going by the cell phone records. If it wasn't for Gator bringing it up that's what I would still be thinking. It is obvious now that lights been shed on it I agree. But before Gator brought it up we were all in the dark on it. My only question about it is why would Casey give him the phone right then and there when she didn't know what LE was going to do? She didn't know they were going to drive her to all those locations, didn't know they were going to haul her into jail. So why did she give him that phone that night? Do you think she gave it to him at another time?

JMO - I think she gave it to him at that time before the police arrived. She knew she had incriminating phone calls, pics, or text messages. The deputies talked to her first and then the call for detectives came in to talk to the family. Perhaps she was getting questioned by the deputies first and they asked her about phone calls so she dumped the phone before the detectives arrived.

I don't have the answers but I know those two were cooking something up while together in her room, whispering. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Oh, I can picture this so clearly. She told him that since mom was calling the police, they would see -----(something petty) on her phone. He said sure, I'll hold it for you. Can't let mom find out about (too many boyfriends, a drug deal text, whatever) I'll bet they helped each other with stupid sibling stuff all the time. Then it morphed into using it to find Caylee. You and me against the world, big brother.

My gut instinct is he got duped, but willingly and gradually. But note someone said they saw a picture LE got off her phone? Then LE has her phone now.

When G&C last saw the Liar in jail, they said that Lee was sick. He couldn't come see her because this situation has made him sick. I think he got in over his head, found out the truth, maybe even found poor Caylee. That would make me sick. He stopped seeing her in jail because he knew that it was being taped and he didn't want to implicate himself any further. JMO

gator

[eatcupcakes]

When G&C last saw the Liar in jail, they said that Lee was sick. He couldn't come see her because this situation has made him sick. I think he got in over his head, found out the truth, maybe even found poor Caylee. That would make me sick. He stopped seeing her in jail because he knew that it was being taped and he didn't want to implicate himself any further. JMO

gator

It is appearent to me that Lee, like us, knows his sister did this. If he sees himself as a PI it does not take much sleuthing to figure it out. I sure he is sick over this as is his whole family. Except for the Liar who is kicking back in Jail eating, reading, watching TV and god only knows what else.

I found it interesting when NG played the phone call to KC while she was in jail the first time from Cindy and KC said let me talk to Lee, I know he is there because I just saw the car in front of the house on TV a minute ago. She is loving this, even watching it all on TV.

[cece5300]

Originally posted by eatcupcakes

Unless she is in protective custody in Prison, and she probable will be because the other prisoners will kill her because they hate child killers. I think they should put her in the general population and turn their backs and go deaf. Oh and give the other prisoners lots of duct tape.

Would they do that? Do they normally do that? She doesn't deserve ~special treatment~

[Zingo]

It is appearent to me that Lee, like us, knows his sister did this. If he sees himself as a PI it does not take much sleuthing to figure it out. I sure he is sick over this as is his whole family. Except for the Liar who is kicking back in Jail eating, reading, watching TV and god only knows what else.

I found it interesting when NG played the phone call to KC while she was in jail the first time from Cindy and KC said let me talk to Lee, I know he is there because I just saw the car in front of the house on TV a minute ago. She is loving this, even watching it all on TV.

Watching that video with Lee was just painful. To see Casey's reactions and her obvious lies. She acted like a spoiled brat. When Lee was asking her about specific clues, she would say things like, "absolutely" or "you're on the money." She even threw her friends under the bus by suggesting they might have something to do with Caylee's disappearance. Of course it was all in veiled language, but Casey would say things like "we definitely can't rule that out." Huh? Lee is asking her about numbers she called, and if they might be involved (in the kidnapping, implied) and she just lies, lies, lies.

She sends Lee on a mind F***. His questions were ridiculous. It almost reminded me of a Dr. Suess novel. "Would Zani kidnap in the house? Would she kidnap with a mouse? Would she take her to a box? Would she kidnap with a fox? In a boat? With a goat? Is this number close?"

What a complete FREAKIN' sociopath Casey is...

[Native Alien]

Unless she is in protective custody in Prison, and she probable will be because the other prisoners will kill her because they hate child killers. I think they should put her in the general population and turn their backs and go deaf. Oh and give the other prisoners lots of duct tape.

She is in protective custody now and they will keep her that way. If she goes on death row then she would be in a solitary cell by herself anyway.

There is no way that they can put her into the general population. Those women would have a field day with her.

[Native Alien]

Would they do that? Do they normally do that? She doesn't deserve ~special treatment~

They would have to Cece. To do otherwise would open them up to a lawsuit for wrongful death. They know the risk that she would be up against if they put her in the gp.

[Twinners]

Casey Anthony case: Will parents get private moment in jail?

Reports of a jailhouse funeral for Caylee Anthony have been greatly exaggerated. That was a recurring theme in 5 p.m. Wednesday newscasts.

WFTV-Channel 9 dismissed the possibility that Casey Anthony's family might be reunited behind bars to remember slain toddler Caylee. Anchor Martie Salt swiftly declared: "The Orange County Jail told us it will never happen. Despite some reports, a jail spokesperson told Channel 9 no one in the Anthony family has ever asked to hold a memorial there. And if they did, the answer would likely be no. It's against jail policy." Casey Anthony is charged with her daughter's murder.

WESH-Channel 2 had reported on such a jailhouse funeral, but attorney Brad Conway "wants to clear some things up," anchor Martha Sugalski said.

Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, said he never sought "an all-out memorial service," and that such reports were "exaggerated," reporter Amanda Ober said.

"He intends only to request that George and Cindy be allowed to have a visit with their daughter, Casey, that is not videotaped," Ober said. "He said the Anthonys need a moment with Casey to acknowledge and grieve little Caylee's death." If the jail rejects the request, that will end the issue, Conway told WESH.

George and Cindy Anthony haven't seen Casey since she was arrested in October because they don't want the visit recorded and released to the public.

WKMG-Channel 6's Mike DeForest reported, "Cindy and George want to see Casey and talk to her about Caylee's death." Such a private visit would be unusual, but DeForest added, "Sheriff's officials are at least open to the possibility of allowing an unrecorded video visit between Casey and her parents." DeForest floated another possibility: Investigators might allow an unrecorded visit if a detective could monitor the family's conversation.

Conway could announce details of a public memorial service for Caylee later this week, WKMG reported.

In newscasts at 6, the Anthony case drew more scrutiny. WFTV's Kathi Belich reported that an Orange County deputy was evidently distracted when responding to a meter reader's tips in August. The deputy was using his computer to find another job and send raunchy pictures.

What will happen to Jose Baez's motion to have prosecutors thrown off the case? WESH talked to an expert who said it's possible but unlikely.

WOFL-Channel 35 talked to Judge Andrew Napolitano, a Fox News Channel analyst, who said Baez is trying to send a message to prosecutors. But Napolitano said the main issue is, "Who killed this baby? That's what we need to know. Not what the lawyers are saying about each other."

WKMG announced that the Anthony saga is the cover the new People magazine and said it would preview the article at 11 tonight. Anchor Jacqueline London said WKMG was the only station with an advance copy, and she teased to "heartbreaking new information." The cover is titled "Caylee's Family Secrets" and an inside headline reads, "A Shocking Twist."
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/reports-of-a-jailhouse-funeral-have-been-greatly-exaggeratedwftv-channel-9-dismissed-the-possibility-that-casey-anthonys-fam.html

[shadydaisy]

Would they do that? Do they normally do that? She doesn't deserve ~special treatment~

The DOC has a responsibility to keep her safe. Above all, the DOC must protect her from other inmates, if necessary. It will all depend what type of facility she is ultimately sent to. A lot depends on her sentence. That will dictate the facility that can accommodate her. And yes, they normally do that. The DOC does not want to have anything happen to an inmate while under their care (for lack of a better word). She is a high profile case, everyone knows what she looks like, and if convicted of murdering her own child, she will need protection.

[javahog]

The DOC has a responsibility to keep her safe. Above all, the DOC must protect her from other inmates, if necessary. It will all depend what type of facility she is ultimately sent to. A lot depends on her sentence. That will dictate the facility that can accommodate her. And yes, they normally do that. The DOC does not want to have anything happen to an inmate while under their care (for lack of a better word). She is a high profile case, everyone knows what she looks like, and if convicted of murdering her own child, she will need protection.

ANd you never know, maybe other inmates need to be protected from her. Would you want to be her cellmate?

[shadydaisy]

ANd you never know, maybe other inmates need to be protected from her. Would you want to be her cellmate?

She won't be the biggest and the baddest, but possibly the whiniest.

[Amy]

I do not believe that Casey will ever allow Baez to plead out her case. For one thing she wants the media attention of a trial and for another I think she actually believes she will get off. JMO

One day, I think Baez is behind all the garbage, possibly not even tell Casey options, what is going on, etc etc etc (or telling her "mistruths" about them.) The next day, I think Casey has the reins and is in charge of what is going on with her. Maybe it is a mixture of both, I don't know. I don't think I would sit down to dinner with either one of them.

[applesandorange]

He didn't mention a date, but he said something about her making three calls before she reached out to Mom. I took it to be when Cindy found her. Of course she didn't reach out to her Mom, her Mom found her and forced her to go home. I was really sleepy and couldn't watch the whole video. I intend to do that today with clearer senses and more clues.

Gator


See I'm taking things wrong. That's why I'm not understanding. I took this to mean the day Caylee died. Casey made 3 phone calls before reaching out to (meaning calling) Cindy. I took it to mean Casey called 3 other people before calling Cindy on the day Caylee died or "went missing"

[applesandorange]

ANd you never know, maybe other inmates need to be protected from her. Would you want to be her cellmate?

Oh I would LOVE to be her cellmate.

[Amy]

This is why in the July 26 phone call he was asking for all the number information because he was sent on a wild goose chase by Casey, I'll bet. And he couldn't figure out about her Blackjack and sim card switching, how he couldn't find any calls from the nanny...and why they said they would have worded things differently if they knew it was being recorded the previous meeting...oh, yeah!

Bet she convinced him to use her phone as a clue to find Caylee, but only she knew there was no Casey left to find. He was just holding it, hiding it, trying to help Caylee (and Casey). Obstruction!

He asks (pretty close to the beginning) about WHEN she investigated. And she says, oh, ABSOLUTELY, only during the daytime, never @ night. WHAT? I tho't she had been saying she went to Fusion and other clubs she tho't Zanny frequented, during her INVESTSIGATION. Uhh....Casey, you telling us you only went to those places during the DAY? Why would you think Zanny would be going there during the day, you know, during the hours she would be nannying!!!!! :D

[applesandorange]

JMO - I think she gave it to him at that time before the police arrived. She knew she had incriminating phone calls, pics, or text messages. The deputies talked to her first and then the call for detectives came in to talk to the family. Perhaps she was getting questioned by the deputies first and they asked her about phone calls so she dumped the phone before the detectives arrived.

I don't have the answers but I know those two were cooking something up while together in her room, whispering. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator


After some sleep I have an idea. Maybe Casey left the phone at Tony's place. Lee may have heard her saying to LE that the phone had the numbers and she lost it. When Lee found the phone at Tony's he may have thought he could find Zanny through the phone. He was playing PI. He might have figured he'd just hold onto that for himself. Also Casey may have given Lee some lame excuse that she wouldn't tell LE where the phone was because something would happen to Caylee if LE found Zanny's number and called them. Lee may have thought he was helping Casey by using the phone to investigate and didn't tell LE he had it because he was afraid for Caylee.

[applesandorange]

He asks (pretty close to the beginning) about WHEN she investigated. And she says, oh, ABSOLUTELY, only during the daytime, never @ night. WHAT? I tho't she had been saying she went to Fusion and other clubs she tho't Zanny frequented, during her INVESTSIGATION. Uhh....Casey, you telling us you only went to those places during the DAY? Why would you think Zanny would be going there during the day, you know, during the hours she would be nannying!!!!! :D


Her saying she only investigated during the day means she was either covering for herself because she knew there were pics of her partying at night or she was trying to make it seem like it was dangerous to be in those places at night. Like oohhh this is a scary situation, I wouldn't dare look for Caylee at night.

[Amy]

It's so obvious that he had her phone. Why didn't LE ask him for the phone and lock him up if he refused to give it up? Or is it possible that he was working with LE at the time?

Either LE had her phone @ some point, or technology is such today that they can get all they need without it. The pings, the actual times and length of calls, the numbers, whether they are incoming or outgoing--this all they can get thru the phone company. Maybe now they can also get the text message content thru phone records? If I have a Sim's card, I don't know about it. What I do know is, I can "store" some of my incoming texts. (Don't know how many, and when it would interfere with receiving new ones.) I can't see her saving texts, @ all, so it must have to do w/the Sim's card.

When LE got around to taking the phone (and, by the 28th, had they already HAD the phone, gotten the info they needed and returned it?) whomever had it must have turned it over. I am sure there would have been breaking news about it if they hadn't gotten it.

[Justice Denied?]

Would they do that? Do they normally do that? She doesn't deserve ~special treatment~

I remember reading somewhere that one of the moms who killed her kids (don't remember which one) was kept in protective custody (solitairy) for the first SEVEN YEARS she was in prison. So, yeah it does happen.

[Gatordog]

Gator...I watched it from start to finish. Lee is flat, monotone and she is as we know, a complete and total liar. I noticed at the end when he asked her what she'd like to say, he put words in her mouth because of all she said, she forgot to ask (whoever has Caylee) for her return. He threw a few hints and it took a bit for her to catch on.

I suppose he used code in some portions because if he mentioned names he could have been sued for slander.

The whole time I was watching I could feel his frustration. I don't think he's involved with the disappearance. I think he may have helped her only for his parents sake. He dreads her. That's obvious. He's talking to her as if she is a mental patient. They all pussy foot around her because she's a lose cannon.

I heard her say while she was giving him her message that she wants anyone with any information to come forward "without haste" and that she knows that they will one day be all together again as a family... WITHOUT HASTE???? Was that a Freudian slip? It was a twilight zone moment IMO.

I have my cawffee right here. I fell asleep early late night and woke up early.
I have weebles today but I'll be reading between coloring and stringing beads. I'm going to teach them to load the washing machine. :) Nawny maids!!???

:seeya:

I remember that "without haste" and it just cracked me up. If you're lucky, one of the weebles will be like me. I loved doing laundry when I was little. Still do. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Here is info on tomorrow's hearing. Tim Miller is flying into Orlando this afternoon. He will be at a hearing tomorrow regarding the information on the searchers. Padilla is right about one thing - the defense should go to Texas and use their paper and time to make copies of the documents. They won't go. Bozo Baez likes everyone to do his work for him.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8326109&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Are you saying both her parents tryed to strangle her. I heard him say that George confronted her and wanted to know where Caylee was, I didn't hear anything about George strangling her. I thought only Cindy did that. I want to stangle her to. I bet there are others out there who want to strangle her as well. Was it Murder on the Orient Express that each person on the train stabbed the person who was found dead. We can all strangle her so no one can be found guilty, LOL

Are you out of you mind? that's conspiracy to commit murder. Of course, we might all be in the same cell and could chat all we want. LOL

[Gatordog]

Either LE had her phone @ some point, or technology is such today that they can get all they need without it. The pings, the actual times and length of calls, the numbers, whether they are incoming or outgoing--this all they can get thru the phone company. Maybe now they can also get the text message content thru phone records? If I have a Sim's card, I don't know about it. What I do know is, I can "store" some of my incoming texts. (Don't know how many, and when it would interfere with receiving new ones.) I can't see her saving texts, @ all, so it must have to do w/the Sim's card.

When LE got around to taking the phone (and, by the 28th, had they already HAD the phone, gotten the info they needed and returned it?) whomever had it must have turned it over. I am sure there would have been breaking news about it if they hadn't gotten it.

She told LE the phone was stolen . If someone in the family turned it over to police then they are confirming that she lied. They would not turn over that phone. The Liar said her new phone wouldn't hold a battery charge. So she used an old phone and she had a phone stolen. The story was too confusing to understand. JMO but it would have been breaking news if they did get it.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

See I'm taking things wrong. That's why I'm not understanding. I took this to mean the day Caylee died. Casey made 3 phone calls before reaching out to (meaning calling) Cindy. I took it to mean Casey called 3 other people before calling Cindy on the day Caylee died or "went missing"

That's the way I took it also. Did I misunderstand? He said she texted 2 of them. I thought this was before she made that bunch of calls trying to reach Cindy.

[Gatordog]

After some sleep I have an idea. Maybe Casey left the phone at Tony's place. Lee may have heard her saying to LE that the phone had the numbers and she lost it. When Lee found the phone at Tony's he may have thought he could find Zanny through the phone. He was playing PI. He might have figured he'd just hold onto that for himself. Also Casey may have given Lee some lame excuse that she wouldn't tell LE where the phone was because something would happen to Caylee if LE found Zanny's number and called them. Lee may have thought he was helping Casey by using the phone to investigate and didn't tell LE he had it because he was afraid for Caylee.

The thing is though that she called Lee the night she was arrested for him to give her Tony's phone number because he had it. He either picked it up when he went to get the computer or she handed it to him in the bedroom. Either way, she knew he had it and he was keeping it from the police. Same thing with the computer - Lee picked it up - why was it crashed when police got hold if it that same day?

[Justice Denied?]

Either LE had her phone @ some point, or technology is such today that they can get all they need without it. The pings, the actual times and length of calls, the numbers, whether they are incoming or outgoing--this all they can get thru the phone company. Maybe now they can also get the text message content thru phone records? If I have a Sim's card, I don't know about it. What I do know is, I can "store" some of my incoming texts. (Don't know how many, and when it would interfere with receiving new ones.) I can't see her saving texts, @ all, so it must have to do w/the Sim's card.

When LE got around to taking the phone (and, by the 28th, had they already HAD the phone, gotten the info they needed and returned it?) whomever had it must have turned it over. I am sure there would have been breaking news about it if they hadn't gotten it.

Casey claimed at one time to have two phones. Maybe Lee has one LE hasn't seen????:confused:

[Gatordog]

ANd you never know, maybe other inmates need to be protected from her. Would you want to be her cellmate?

No I wouldn't - the only thing that would be safe from her grubby hands would be my coleslaw and balogna sandwich. She'd probably steal the pillow right from under my head. She'd probably tell me that I gave it to her in my sleep.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe after she killed her she was sorry. It appears that by wrapping her in her favorite blanket, putting her toys with her and the heart sticker that she was trying to comfort her daughter in some sick way. Maybe she put the tape over her mouth so bugs would not get into Caylee's mouth. Just a thought.

If she killed Caylee in her bed, the blanket would have been right there. She could have scooped Caylee up and loaded her into the laundry bag to make it easier to carry her out of the house.

It makes less than zero sense to me that she taped Caylee's mouth to keep bugs out and then dumped her where she would probably be ravaged and scavenged by God knows what animals and insects.

[Amy]

I wonder if there is anything to talk of charges. Maybe that's being put out to make Casey think he is still trying to help her but he's getting in trouble over it.

The pic may be the one where Annie and Casey are sitting in her car. You can see Caylee's face between them. I'm not sure if that is the one.

Luka is the one who keeps bringing up they are going to charge Lee w/something. He was going on about this even before the other day when LE said they were going to talk to (not QUESTION, as in question a suspect) Lee again. Even after that, the reporters who check in w/LE and the courts, etc, said THERE IS NOTHING from LE or the courts about charging Lee with anything. I don't know what Luka's agenda is, if he just wants to keep himself on the front page w/this "bombshell" news, or he wants to keep Lee in the limelight, or if all the A's attorneys (Luka, Conway, Baez) are in cahoots about blowing smoke rings to keep the focus off real issues related to the charges against Casey.

The same with Conway and the immunity for the A's. Both he and Luka emphasize that their clients, of course, have done no wrong to warrant requesting immunity (in the A's) or to be charged (in Lee.) Again, the reporters covering the courts and LE say there is nothing being said there about charging any of the A's with anything. It's the lawyers who continually bring up something that isn't even being considered!!!

Just like in the private funeral in the jail--up to yesterday, the jail has repeatedly said there has been NO REQUEST from the A's or Casey or their lawyers about this. Yesterday, finally, Mr Allan? the jail spokesperson said they would look into the A's and Casey having a face-to-face meeting, but it was not something he expected to be allowed. NOTHING about a memorial or funeral service, stiil. Conway had the funeral-in-the-jail thing going for 3 or 4 days, if not longer, when THERE HAD BEEN NO REQUEST TO THE JAIL.

In the beginning, I tho't Conway seemed to be a right kind of guy, but now I lump him right with Baez and Luka. I don't believe a word of what they say. I don't know if I believe what Conway says about the A's coming to terms that Casey is not innocent, or whatever round about way he put it. Now, maybe George is coming back to the light (cuz I firmly believe he knew from the first that Caylee was dead, and that Casey either did it or had something to do with it.) I don't know that he ever DIS believed it, either he did, or he was keeping up appearances for family's sake. But Cindy? Unless they are including her in sessions w/psychiatrist, or she has her own sessions, I think she has herself ABSOLUTELY convinced that Casey had nothing to do with Caylee's murder. I don't know that either of them really believe the nanny thing, I think both of them are smart enough to figure out nanny was one of Casey's really, really big lie. I'm not sure what they think actually happened, tho, if Cindy, especially will ever face the fact that Casey killed Caylee. Like has been mentioned often, if Caylee was murdered after Casey left the house because of a big showdown with Cindy, Cindy might be putting a block up, because that would be so very painful. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Either LE had her phone @ some point, or technology is such today that they can get all they need without it. The pings, the actual times and length of calls, the numbers, whether they are incoming or outgoing--this all they can get thru the phone company. Maybe now they can also get the text message content thru phone records? If I have a Sim's card, I don't know about it. What I do know is, I can "store" some of my incoming texts. (Don't know how many, and when it would interfere with receiving new ones.) I can't see her saving texts, @ all, so it must have to do w/the Sim's card.

When LE got around to taking the phone (and, by the 28th, had they already HAD the phone, gotten the info they needed and returned it?) whomever had it must have turned it over. I am sure there would have been breaking news about it if they hadn't gotten it.

My understanding is that LE can get as much information from the records (different from the phone bill) as they can from the phone. (Gee, I hope whoever Casey had her account with is more cooperative than the outfit that testified in the Dirksmeyer case.) That's one of the reasons that whether or not Dominic Casey was cooperative or not doesn't really matter; LE will get his records. I would imagine that a lot of this information is part of what is being held back.

[Amy]

Well said post. The issue of all the money that was spent to search for Caylee when she was dead really bugs me too. There are other missing children and missing adult cases in which they people really are missing and possibly dead. I applaud Tim Miller, Leonard Padilla, LE and the volunteers for what they did for Caylee. Casey knew the truth all along and the Ant's were denial and believed Caylee was still alive. I think the Anthony's should pay some kind of restitution to law enforcement, TES and any other organization that was involved in the searches. For example George, Cindy and Lee could pay money each month let's say for the next twenty years. Are DP inmates in
Florida required to have jobs because if they do and Casey ends on DP any cent she makes should to towards resitution. I know it would impossible for the Ants to pay millions of dollars but they should at pay some of money of the back that was used to search for Caylee. In the past year I have noticed that MySpace and Facebook have become good awarness tools for missing children and adults and I think Casey probably at one point say a MySpace profile for a missing child or adult and used that idea to play up her mother of a missing child. I think Casey and the Ants should be forced to pay for their false claims.

The only one who should pay restitution is Casey, IMO. She is the one who knows the truth, the whole truth. The A's did not have not have information on where to find Caylee, even if, deep in THEIR guts, they knew she was dead. They did make some attempts to get info out of Casey (and George, it seems, according to TM and LP even tried to CHOKE the info out of her) and it went no where. I don't suppose the A's even knew of the highschool hang out Zone. That was probably one of the secrets kids (not just Lee and Casey) kept from their parents. IMO, EVEN IF the A's had stepped up the first day and said they believed Caylee was dead, and even if they would have said they tho't Casey had anything to do with the murder, there still would have had to have been searches for Caylee's body. Cuz, I don't think in ANY scenario that Casey would have broken down and told them where to find Caylee. So, IMO, Casey is the only one who should be responsible for restitution.

[Amy]

That is the one thing she is never gonna admit. Her only support is coming from her parents and they are the ones putting money in her jail account. If she admits to the crime she will loose her only support. As long as she keeps denying her parents will always have doubt that she did it and there will always be money in her account for treats.

There are others who keep her in Twinkies and pork rinds. I would suppose the rich benefactor who posted the second bond could keep her well fed, even if her parents give up on her. And, just because they think she might have killed Caylee, or helped or didn't stop, or even if she admits it, does NOT mean they will completely abandon her. They might still see to it that she can purchase soothing body lotion and all that.

[Amy]

Would they do that? Do they normally do that? She doesn't deserve ~special treatment~

I'm thinking that, once she goes to the big house, where there are other moms who killed their babies, she will just be one of the crowd. Her "special treatment" in accommodations in the local jail does have to do with the high profile of the case, and there would be problems in crowd control, etc, but I don't think there will be those kinds of worries @ the prison.

[One2Snoop]

Casey claimed at one time to have two phones. Maybe Lee has one LE hasn't seen????:confused:

If she had a monthly service/bill LE would be aware of it. If it was one of those pay as you go phones possibly not, but IIRC she tried to pay a past due bill of over $500 with one of those stolen checks.

Also, IIRC she gave LE that song and dance about the sim card from the phone she lost and how she didn't have anyones phone number. LE knew about both phones - just that they weren't able to locate the "lost phone". Now if Lee were hiding it he'd find himself in a heap o' trouble IMO.

[Amy]

Watching that video with Lee was just painful. To see Casey's reactions and her obvious lies. She acted like a spoiled brat. When Lee was asking her about specific clues, she would say things like, "absolutely" or "you're on the money." She even threw her friends under the bus by suggesting they might have something to do with Caylee's disappearance. Of course it was all in veiled language, but Casey would say things like "we definitely can't rule that out." Huh? Lee is asking her about numbers she called, and if they might be involved (in the kidnapping, implied) and she just lies, lies, lies.

She sends Lee on a mind F***. His questions were ridiculous. It almost reminded me of a Dr. Suess novel. "Would Zani kidnap in the house? Would she kidnap with a mouse? Would she take her to a box? Would she kidnap with a fox? In a boat? With a goat? Is this number close?"

What a complete FREAKIN' sociopath Casey is...

You have that Dr Suess talk down pat!!! But it is kind of how the convo's with Lee and with the A's went.

[Amy]

She is in protective custody now and they will keep her that way. If she goes on death row then she would be in a solitary cell by herself anyway.

There is no way that they can put her into the general population. Those women would have a field day with her.

They put Susan Smith in general population. I'm betting that more baby killers (even if they are moms) are in general population than not. There isn't enough jail space for each of them to be in a single cell.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony to appear in court Friday
Last Edited: Thursday, 29 Jan 2009, 12:24 PM EST
Created: Thursday, 29 Jan 2009, 12:24 PM EST


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Casey Anthony will be present for a motion hearing on Friday as a judge rules on several motions filed by her defense team.

The hearing will be heard by Circuit Judge Stan Strickland at 8:30 a.m. at the Orange County Court House.

The motions include the defendant's motion to inspect crime scene, defendant's amended application for subpeona duces tecum and the state of Florida's motion to strike the defense's witness list.

READ: Motion to inspect crime scene
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/012009crimescene/indexGallery.htm

READ: Amended application for subpeona deuces tecum
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/012109amendedsubpeona/indexGallery.htm

READ: State of Florida's to Strike Defense Witness List
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/012309witnesslist/indexGallery.htm

The trial status regarding a trial date will also be discussed during the hearing.

FOX 35 will air the motion hearing LIVE beginning at 8:30 a.m. The hearing will also be streamed on MyFoxOrlando.com

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8326109&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Amy]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/reports-of-a-jailhouse-funeral-have-been-greatly-exaggeratedwftv-channel-9-dismissed-the-possibility-that-casey-anthonys-fam.html

I see Conway is back pedalling as fast as he can about the memorial/funeral service in the jail. All these days, and he's just now saying, oh, that wasn't exactly what I meant? Pffft!!!!! Now that it's been reported that there had been NO REQUEST, and I'm sure after they have read/heard the public outcry, let's change it to, oh, all I really mentioned was the private meeting between the A's and Casey. IMO, he MUST have worded it quite differently, else why would MEMORIAL and FUNERAL come up in the reports?

You know what? NOW I am believing that he DID tell Mary Nguyen that the A's were going to ask for donations for a funeral. Whatever he was talking about, however he put it, he must have given the impression that there would be a request. @ first, I tho't she was an overzealous reporter out for a scoop, after the she was reprimanded by (the prosecution? the bar association?) a week or so ago. I think about Baez being investigated about money deals.

Now, I think she reports what people tell her, and she gets dragged thru the mud.

[ladybugg1]

Casey claimed at one time to have two phones. Maybe Lee has one LE hasn't seen????:confused:



She had a car.
Cell phones.
A daughter.
A boyfriend.
Friends.
Party lifestyle.
Ability to steal money from everyone including family & friends.
:biggrin:


Now she has:
No child.
No boyfriend.
No job [ I did not put this on the above list cuz she never had one!But lied about having one.Her job was a fake as the NANNY.

:cuss:
Now.....:shrug:
one must look at all of the videos of her at Target & the bank.
When you look at them you see a non-worried person going about her stealing calmly and cooly.
She appears to be buying only items for herself and her CASEY HOMEMAKER role[ playacting]
She buys,beer,and all kinds of clothes and other fancy food items.
She does not include anything for her Missing Daughter in those items.
:flamemad:

Not including anything for Caylee and not seeming one bit upset about her being missing and not mentioning the child missing to anyone in 31 days?
If anyone even tries to figure out the reason I already have.
Why would she need to tell anybody her shild is missing ??When she already knew what happened and where she was all that time.

If I were to sum it all up I would have to come to the obvious conclusion that:
Casey has very low self -esteem
She felt unloved and did not want her daughter taking the love of her family from her and saw her in her demented mind as a real threat.

:rose:
HOw anyone can even imagine the innocense of Casey is beyond my
comprehension.I've always read and followed stories such as this.
Like Baby Grace, also any missing child story.
When there is no obvious feeling of concern from day 1 it usually means something bad has happened to the child at the hands of the parent or guardian.
In this case many things stand out.
Car having a dead person smell and talked about on top of that fact.
People who were near the car....
talked of the bad smell that only could be a dead body.
Casey did not know how badly a body would smell and started the squirrel stories.
But has LE found DNA opf squirrels bodies under the car/has the defense/
Where is the NANNY sketch?Also Casey says a few times she has known Nanny ZFG for how m,any years?
Yet she can't come up with a sketch yet?

She says on one video that she has asked JOSE time and time again to send her a sketch artist so she can work with him/her and get the sketch made.Well Jose where is the sketch?
Where are actual pictures ofCaylee with Nanny?
Also Nanny was wealthy ha/
If so why was she driving a small FORD car?
Too many unanswered questions and too many lies make this case
more weird than any i have ever read about...
Rest in peace Caylee....:rose:


No matter who she mentions she says they come from a weell to do family hung up on those terms isn't she?

[ladybugg1]

I see Conway is back pedalling as fast as he can about the memorial/funeral service in the jail. All these days, and he's just now saying, oh, that wasn't exactly what I meant? Pffft!!!!! Now that it's been reported that there had been NO REQUEST, and I'm sure after they have read/heard the public outcry, let's change it to, oh, all I really mentioned was the private meeting between the A's and Casey. IMO, he MUST have worded it quite differently, else why would MEMORIAL and FUNERAL come up in the reports?

You know what? NOW I am believing that he DID tell Mary Nguyen that the A's were going to ask for donations for a funeral. Whatever he was talking about, however he put it, he must have given the impression that there would be a request. @ first, I tho't she was an overzealous reporter out for a scoop, after the she was reprimanded by (the prosecution? the bar association?) a week or so ago. I think about Baez being investigated about money deals.

Now, I think she reports what people tell her, and she gets dragged thru the mud.

The Lawyers and the people involved do nothing but LIE:rolleyes:

[Twinners]

If she had a monthly service/bill LE would be aware of it. If it was one of those pay as you go phones possibly not, but IIRC she tried to pay a past due bill of over $500 with one of those stolen checks.

Also, IIRC she gave LE that song and dance about the sim card from the phone she lost and how she didn't have anyones phone number. LE knew about both phones - just that they weren't able to locate the "lost phone". Now if Lee were hiding it he'd find himself in a heap o' trouble IMO.
That's how I remember it, as well, O2S. Casey had one cell number/account, but she used two different phones. IIRC, she said she lost one of the cell phones, but somehow still managed to have the Sim card from it (the lost phone) in the phone she was using at the time of her arrest. I remember thinking the story made absolutely no sense when I read it. It still doesn't!

[ladybugg1]

I'm thinking that, once she goes to the big house, where there are other moms who killed their babies, she will just be one of the crowd. Her "special treatment" in accommodations in the local jail does have to do with the high profile of the case, and there would be problems in crowd control, etc, but I don't think there will be those kinds of worries @ the prison.


:mad:

Caylee does but Casey does not...

[Amy]

After some sleep I have an idea. Maybe Casey left the phone at Tony's place. Lee may have heard her saying to LE that the phone had the numbers and she lost it. When Lee found the phone at Tony's he may have thought he could find Zanny through the phone. He was playing PI. He might have figured he'd just hold onto that for himself. Also Casey may have given Lee some lame excuse that she wouldn't tell LE where the phone was because something would happen to Caylee if LE found Zanny's number and called them. Lee may have thought he was helping Casey by using the phone to investigate and didn't tell LE he had it because he was afraid for Caylee.

The SECOND phone, you know, the one she got thru work ;) is the one that was lost. The one that she used the Sim card on both, that is why they won't find a separate number for the second phone (altho, not knowing a thing about sim cards myself, I don't know if whatever she is saying is what happens with phones.) The reason I think LE had the phone, @ least @ one point is, they can't find a number for Zanny, they can't find any texts or anything on the phone they have. So, she gives them the song and dance about all of Zanny's various and sundry phone numbers would be on THAT phone, the one she got @ work and didn't stay powered up etc etc etc.

Of course, LE couldn't get the number of the lost phone (which I am sure Casey must have told him SHE didn't know the number) was because they would have had to go thru Universal which one would think would have record of phones they handed out to employees---and we all know what a dead end anything to do w/universal is. Which, of course, that means THERE WAS NO SECOND PHONE, sim card or no sim card.

[Amy]

I remember that "without haste" and it just cracked me up. If you're lucky, one of the weebles will be like me. I loved doing laundry when I was little. Still do. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-chores003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Here is info on tomorrow's hearing. Tim Miller is flying into Orlando this afternoon. He will be at a hearing tomorrow regarding the information on the searchers. Padilla is right about one thing - the defense should go to Texas and use their paper and time to make copies of the documents. They won't go. Bozo Baez likes everyone to do his work for him.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8326109&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Gator

I agree. You want the documents, you bring YOUR printer/copier, YOUR ink, and someone to stand there doing the copying. We WILL charge for electricity use--running that amount of documents would have a printer/copier going for DAYS.

Or, if the court would rule that TES has to do the grunt work, it would cost x amount of $$$ and AFTER that amount of money has been received (cleared the bank if it's a check) the work will begin. I wouldn't put it past Jose Baez to demand this, for TES to have done all the work with the agreement that the defense would pay, and then, AFTER all the work and expense has been used, to say, oh, I don't need them anymore. (I sure hope someone from TES or NG or LP are reading the boards, too, or think of some of these things theirselves.

I THINK JOSE WILL TAKE TIM MILLER FOR A RIDE, MAKE HIM GO TO ALL THE EXPENSE, THEN WILL SAY HE DOESN'T WANT THE DOCUMENTS. Which he doesn't need in the first place, just wants something to blow smoke and mirrors, delay, delay, delay. What the heck does Jose think? That Tim Miller is going to let a CRIMINAL go on the searches? Well, maybe someone who had a DUI, or wrote a bad check, but certainly not someone who would plant evidence or tamper w/evidence.

Or, does he think one of Casey's friends or former friends were in the search party? And, what would that prove? People feel that THE FAMILY needed to be involved in the search, so why not the FRIENDS of the family, or of the mother?

Wonder who put Fay or whatever her name is Joy? up to insisting that TES searched in that exact spot? Or, is she just someone who figured a way to get her 15 minutes? At the time, there were reports that she wasn't even a part of the TES search, so her info was bogus. On her own? Did someone pay her to put that out? HMMMM???????

[One2Snoop]

New Motions Filed In The Case Against Casey Anthony

Wednesday, January 28, 2009 – updated: 11:37 am EST January 29, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team and the Orange County Corrections Department filed a motion in the case against Casey Anthony late Wednesday night.

NEW MOTIONS: Corrections Department | DNA Evidence
VIDEO REPORT: Two Motions Filed
WATCH LIVE: Court Hearing Friday At 8:30AM

Casey's defense team is waiting for decisions on several of the new motions filed in the case. In the most recent motion (read motion). attorney Jose Baez is requesting all fingerprint-related evidence, any DNA reports that show Casey's former fiancee Jesse Grund was not Caylee's father, and materials regarding the decomposing hair found in Casey's trunk.

Also, the Orange County Corrections Department wants clarification about when Casey Anthony is required to attend court hearings (read Corrections' motion). The judge has ordered Casey to show up for all hearings (read judge's ruling), including one Friday at 8:30am, but Baez filed a motion (read motion) to keep her out of court.

Now, the Corrections Department is seeking clarification from the court on whether or not Casey has to attend all hearings and how the jail should handle it regarding notification and transportation. A judge is expected to rule Thursday afternoon on the Corrections Department's motion for clarification.


GEORGE ANTHONY MAY BE RELEASED FRIDAY

Casey Anthony's father, George, could be released from a hospital in Daytona Beach as soon as Friday.

GEORGE FOUND: Raw Video | See Images
911 CALL: George Reported Missing | Transcript
DOCUMENTS: Sheriff's Incident Report | Dispatch Log

George has been at Halifax Medical Center since Friday, after police found him at a motel with a half-written suicide note, alcohol and empty prescription bottles.

The family attorney, Brad Conway, said George will likely be transferred to another hospital closer to his east Orange County home.


JOSE BAEZ TEACHES CLASSES AT LAW SCHOOL

Jose Baez is teaching a law school class at FAMU Law School in downtown Orlando.

Baez taught his first class Wednesday night. He will teach a pre-trial practice workshop once a week.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18591596/detail.html#-

[eatcupcakes]

If she killed Caylee in her bed, the blanket would have been right there. She could have scooped Caylee up and loaded her into the laundry bag to make it easier to carry her out of the house.

It makes less than zero sense to me that she taped Caylee's mouth to keep bugs out and then dumped her where she would probably be ravaged and scavenged by God knows what animals and insects.

The girl has a sick mind, who knows what she could have been thinking. I didn't say she killed her in the house. I think she went back to the house at some point and got the blanket and toys to put with Caylee. That tells me that whoever killed her had emotional ties to her. I don't think she stopped to think about animals ravaging Caylee. but you always hear about bugs crawling in and out of mouths. She is inexperiencd enough to think that putting tape over the mouth would stop that. Oh heck I don't know.:shrug:

[One2Snoop]

From Orlando Sentinel
Legal maneuver by Casey's lawyers called 'surreal'

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 29, 2009

2 pages....
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey2909jan29,0,2407740.story

[Amy]

Casey Anthony to appear in court Friday
Last Edited: Thursday, 29 Jan 2009, 12:24 PM EST
Created: Thursday, 29 Jan 2009, 12:24 PM EST


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Casey Anthony will be present for a motion hearing on Friday as a judge rules on several motions filed by her defense team.

The hearing will be heard by Circuit Judge Stan Strickland at 8:30 a.m. at the Orange County Court House.

The motions include the defendant's motion to inspect crime scene, defendant's amended application for subpeona duces tecum and the state of Florida's motion to strike the defense's witness list.

READ: Motion to inspect crime scene
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/012009crimescene/indexGallery.htm

READ: Amended application for subpeona deuces tecum
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/012109amendedsubpeona/indexGallery.htm

READ: State of Florida's to Strike Defense Witness List
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/012309witnesslist/indexGallery.htm

The trial status regarding a trial date will also be discussed during the hearing.

FOX 35 will air the motion hearing LIVE beginning at 8:30 a.m. The hearing will also be streamed on MyFoxOrlando.com

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8326109&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

So, this will start 8:30 EST? Gee, that means I have to be up by 7:30 central. Oh, well, guess we all have to make sacrifices!! lol

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony Ordered To Appear In Court
Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:13:26 PM

ORLANDO -- Judge Stan Strickland has ruled that Casey Anthony will have to appear in court Friday.

Strickland said Anthony will have to appear "at each and every court hearing."

Earlier this week, Anthony's defense team filed motions to keep her from appearing.

In the motions, Jose Baez said this case is unique and has generated a considerable amount of media attention. Baez said Anthony's appearance in court "only fuels the circus-like atmosphere" and paints Anthony in a negative light.

Earlier this month, the judge ordered Anthony into the courtroom even though her lawyer said she waived her right to appear.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/29/will_casey_anthony_be_in_court.html

[eatcupcakes]

My sister said she went to the WESH.com site and they are reporting that KC says she can't go to court tomorrow because she has a rash, a boil and she thinks she has Head Lice. Maybe she should try Bounce to bounce them away. LOL

[Zingo]

You have that Dr Suess talk down pat!!! But it is kind of how the convo's with Lee and with the A's went.

Someone with a lot of spare time should re-watch that Lee visitation video and write down every single question he asked. It would be very interesting to see a transcript of the "coded" questions, along with Casey's BS answers. She's completely ****ing up his mind, leading him to think that perhaps some of her friends are involved in the kidnapping, that Zanny the Nanny has "resources" outside of Orlando, maybe up north, maybe or "definitely" in that state where Lee did his football promotion work, maybe down south, in Miami, or out East in Jacksonville.

Lee couldn't quite figure out where the nanny had lived, but Casey certainly helped him out by saying that she definitely had some friends "near there" or "around there." She "couldn't rule out" that one or more of the area codes on her phone held some nebulous clue to the mystery, and she knew "in her gut" that Lee was "on the money" in his fastidious research into her line of BUNK.

What a bunch of GOBBLEDY GOOK!

At the end, Lee kept asking her if she had any questions for him? He seemed to be thinking: Why aren't you asking about what's being done to find Caylee?

I don't even think Casey mentioned Caylee until once at the end when she pleaded with anyone who had any information to come forward "without haste."

Casey is a pathetic reality show ... How could Caylee have been so cursed to come into this world with such a vile and twisted mother??

:flamemad:

[ladybugg1]

From Orlando Sentinel
Legal maneuver by Casey's lawyers called 'surreal'

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 29, 2009

2 pages....
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey2909jan29,0,2407740.story



All of it LIEs and all like in a dream...a bad one and told by a very bad storyteller.If she had really worked at it she would be a great fictional writer of plays and all kinds of things..but she decided to take the LOW ROAD and do this to herself and her life and end Caylee's

[ladybugg1]

Someone with a lot of spare time should re-watch that Lee visitation video and write down every single question he asked. It would be very interesting to see a transcript of the "coded" questions, along with Casey's BS answers. She's completely ****ing up his mind, leading him to think that perhaps some of her friends are involved in the kidnapping, that Zanny the Nanny has "resources" outside of Orlando, maybe up north, maybe or "definitely" in that state where Lee did his football promotion work, maybe down south, in Miami, or out East in Jacksonville.

Lee couldn't quite figure out where the nanny had lived, but Casey certainly helped him out by saying that she definitely had some friends "near there" or "around there." She "couldn't rule out" that one or more of the area codes on her phone held some nebulous clue to the mystery, and she knew "in her gut" that Lee was "on the money" in his fastidious research into her line of BUNK.

What a bunch of GOBBLEDY GOOK!

At the end, Lee kept asking her if she had any questions for him? He seemed to be thinking: Why aren't you asking about what's being done to find Caylee?

I don't even think Casey mentioned Caylee until once at the end when she pleaded with anyone who had any information to come forward "without haste."

Casey is a pathetic reality show ... How could Caylee have been so cursed to come into this world with such a vile and twisted mother??

:flamemad:


A true crime reality show unfolding before our very eyes and ears..

[joekuhl79]

She told LE the phone was stolen . If someone in the family turned it over to police then they are confirming that she lied. They would not turn over that phone. The Liar said her new phone wouldn't hold a battery charge. So she used an old phone and she had a phone stolen. The story was too confusing to understand. JMO but it would have been breaking news if they did get it.

Gator

This 'second phone given to Lee' is a curious and interesting theory. But is there any proof of this other phone?

As I recall, Liar spun this 'lost phone' story to LE when they were at Universal going to 'her office' as an excuse on why she didn't have or know these phone numbers (of people who didn't exist...i.e. Zanny, Jeff Hopkins, Juliette Lewis). I assumed this other phone was as fictional as these friends of hers...

Unless this second cell was a prepaid phone, I think evidence of it would have surfaced by now.

Or did I miss something along those lines?

[ladybugg1]

My sister said she went to the WESH.com site and they are reporting that KC says she can't go to court tomorrow because she has a rash, a boil and she thinks she has Head Lice. Maybe she should try Bounce to bounce them away. LOL

Who sees her?nobody but her lawyers?
And the guards so???
is she starting to IMPLODE????:biggrin:

[Zingo]

The SECOND phone, you know, the one she got thru work ;) is the one that was lost. The one that she used the Sim card on both, that is why they won't find a separate number for the second phone (altho, not knowing a thing about sim cards myself, I don't know if whatever she is saying is what happens with phones.) The reason I think LE had the phone, @ least @ one point is, they can't find a number for Zanny, they can't find any texts or anything on the phone they have. So, she gives them the song and dance about all of Zanny's various and sundry phone numbers would be on THAT phone, the one she got @ work and didn't stay powered up etc etc etc.

Of course, LE couldn't get the number of the lost phone (which I am sure Casey must have told him SHE didn't know the number) was because they would have had to go thru Universal which one would think would have record of phones they handed out to employees---and we all know what a dead end anything to do w/universal is. Which, of course, that means THERE WAS NO SECOND PHONE, sim card or no sim card.


No second phone. That makes perfect sense to me. Casey invents the second phone like she invented everything else, and she figures if they can't find the phone that doesn't exist, they won't be able to track down the non-existent phone calls to the nanny that doesn't exist. :confused:

[Amy]

From Orlando Sentinel
Legal maneuver by Casey's lawyers called 'surreal'

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 29, 2009

2 pages....
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey2909jan29,0,2407740.story

Good grief. Baez himself had said Todd Black was the spokesperson for his law firm. Now, maybe, technically, THE COMPANY was not retained, but Todd Black sure was, according to Baez himself. Oh, I didn't mean THAT when I said THAT, I meant THIS when I said THAT. Smoke and mirrors. Lies and mistruths. Delay, delay, delay. Take the focus off of what is important THAT CASEY ANTHONY MURDERED HER DAUGHTER AND NEEDS TO GO TO TRIAL!!!!!!! IMO

[ladybugg1]

Casey Anthony Ordered To Appear In Court
Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:13:26 PM

ORLANDO -- Judge Stan Strickland has ruled that Casey Anthony will have to appear in court Friday.

Strickland said Anthony will have to appear "at each and every court hearing."

Earlier this week, Anthony's defense team filed motions to keep her from appearing.

In the motions, Jose Baez said this case is unique and has generated a considerable amount of media attention. Baez said Anthony's appearance in court "only fuels the circus-like atmosphere" and paints Anthony in a negative light.

Earlier this month, the judge ordered Anthony into the courtroom even though her lawyer said she waived her right to appear.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/29/will_casey_anthony_be_in_court.html


Or some sort of bloating....:confused:

[eatcupcakes]

Who sees her?nobody but her lawyers?
And the guards so???
is she starting to IMPLODE????:biggrin:

We can only hope!!!!!

[ladybugg1]

Casey claimed at one time to have two phones. Maybe Lee has one LE hasn't seen????:confused:

How could UNIVERSAL have let her keep and use the phone from 2 years prior?
They would not have.I know any company issued phone is turned in when an employee is terminated.So as far as having two phones?
I really doubt that one..

[Amy]

Casey Anthony Ordered To Appear In Court
Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:13:26 PM

ORLANDO -- Judge Stan Strickland has ruled that Casey Anthony will have to appear in court Friday.

Strickland said Anthony will have to appear "at each and every court hearing."

Earlier this week, Anthony's defense team filed motions to keep her from appearing.

In the motions, Jose Baez said this case is unique and has generated a considerable amount of media attention. Baez said Anthony's appearance in court "only fuels the circus-like atmosphere" and paints Anthony in a negative light.

Earlier this month, the judge ordered Anthony into the courtroom even though her lawyer said she waived her right to appear.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/29/will_casey_anthony_be_in_court.html

Well, Mister Smarty Pants High Profile Lawyer Extrodinaire---DON'T YA THINK IF YOU HADN'T OPPOSED THE GAG ORDER, THERE WOULDN'T BE TELEVISION OR ANY OTHER COVERAGE OF YOUR CLIENT? Oh, yeah, the gag order would keep Baez, Luka and Conway off the airwaves. No more GMA, NG, GVS, LKL, no more on the street press converences with Kathy, Jessica and the others? NOW we know why he opposed the gag order. HE'd be having media withdrawals, to say nothing about the fact that what he and the other A's lawyers are doing are TAINING THE JURY POOL!!!! I haven't seen or heard from LE or the prosecution on all these shows, and VERY few pc's @ all!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I see Conway is back pedalling as fast as he can about the memorial/funeral service in the jail. All these days, and he's just now saying, oh, that wasn't exactly what I meant? Pffft!!!!! Now that it's been reported that there had been NO REQUEST, and I'm sure after they have read/heard the public outcry, let's change it to, oh, all I really mentioned was the private meeting between the A's and Casey. IMO, he MUST have worded it quite differently, else why would MEMORIAL and FUNERAL come up in the reports?

You know what? NOW I am believing that he DID tell Mary Nguyen that the A's were going to ask for donations for a funeral. Whatever he was talking about, however he put it, he must have given the impression that there would be a request. @ first, I tho't she was an overzealous reporter out for a scoop, after the she was reprimanded by (the prosecution? the bar association?) a week or so ago. I think about Baez being investigated about money deals.

Now, I think she reports what people tell her, and she gets dragged thru the mud.

You really have to wonder don't you? Conway was impressive at first ssounding like the voice of reason. Now he seems tainted.

[joekuhl79]

If she killed Caylee in her bed, the blanket would have been right there. She could have scooped Caylee up and loaded her into the laundry bag to make it easier to carry her out of the house.

It makes less than zero sense to me that she taped Caylee's mouth to keep bugs out and then dumped her where she would probably be ravaged and scavenged by God knows what animals and insects.


I don't think she killed her in her bed....I think that it was in the car. Weren't there two occasions where she backed the car into the garage? The first time would have been to take Caylee to the backyard. The second would have been to put her back into the car, after Liar grabbed something to put her in - garbage bag, Pooh blanket...

Now if she only had the car backed up once, forget all that.



The duct tape? I'm pretty sure there could only be two explanations:

- To keep Caylee from screaming if she woke up, if she did indeed chloroform her or otherwise sedate her or have her in the trunk.

- To keep any fluids contained. This would mean she put the tape on AFTER Caylee was dead.


As was mentioned before, the heart sticker was put on as a gesture. There was remorse, but Liar doesn't want to take responsibility for the crime.

[One2Snoop]

Or some sort of bloating....:confused:

I heard thru the grapevine she hasn't ordered feminine products in awhile. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

The girl has a sick mind, who knows what she could have been thinking. I didn't say she killed her in the house. I think she went back to the house at some point and got the blanket and toys to put with Caylee. That tells me that whoever killed her had emotional ties to her. I don't think she stopped to think about animals ravaging Caylee. but you always hear about bugs crawling in and out of mouths. She is inexperiencd enough to think that putting tape over the mouth would stop that. Oh heck I don't know.:shrug:

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you said she killed Caylee in the house, it's just a theory of some/many. I'm just offering up what seems to be the logical manner for a sloth like Casey to operate. IF Caylee was killed on the bed, the blanket was right there for Casey to wrap her in, and the toys right there for her to grab up. The girl is lazy.

ITA that whoever killed Caylee had emotional ties to her. However twisted they were.

[Amy]

No second phone. That makes perfect sense to me. Casey invents the second phone like she invented everything else, and she figures if they can't find the phone that doesn't exist, they won't be able to track down the non-existent phone calls to the nanny that doesn't exist. :confused:

EXACTLY!!!! You got it, Dr Suess!!!! lol

As has been said over and over on this and other boards--the only thing we can be sure was the truth that came from Casey's mouth is HER NAME AND ADDRESS. And, I think if it hadn't been confirmed by outside sources, some of us might have been questioning if she was telling the truth on that!!!! :cool:

[One2Snoop]

The title of this should have been "Hold The HAM AND CHEESE PLEASE!" :rolleyes: It was not a very well thought out interview IMO....


"On the Record ," January 28, 2009.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: Former LAPD homicide detective Mark Fuhrman is on the ground in Florida, investigating the murder of toddler Caylee Anthony. And a ham sandwich has become a big clue. Mark joins us live from Orlando. Mark, when I got the word that a ham sandwich somehow figured into this -- we always make that crack about you can indict a ham sandwich. I thought that was the reference and that my leg was getting pulled, but -- a ham sandwich is a clue in this case, isn't it.

MARK FUHRMAN, FMR LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Well, ham and cheese. There's kind of a dispute here. And of course, we know when the vehicle was finally recovered from Johnson's Tow and there was a smell of...

VAN SUSTEREN: Meaning -- meaning -- let me stop you for a second. You mean Casey's -- the car Casey had been driving, right?

FUHRMAN: Yes. Casey Anthony has the car that -- the Sunbird, the white Sunbird that George and Cindy Anthony gave Casey to drive. Now, that's impounded, and when it's recovered, there is the odor of a decomposing body is a description from the Anthonys, George and Cynthia. But there's garbage in there, too, and in that garbage there is food items. Now, one side, law enforcement, said there's no meat, but they list there's cheese. And then the other side says there's ham and cheese in there that was causing the smell. So this is -- this is one of those disputes that should be fact, but it's become kind of an issue now. That's the beginning.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where -- where is -- what happened -- I mean, when the police impounded this car, I would assume that they recovered everything. Can't you just look at the sandwich and see whether there was ham in it or not? Where is this?

FUHRMAN: Well, it was -- from what I'm hearing, it wasn't a sandwich. There was actually physically, you know, a group (ph) of ham and group (ph) of cheese that was purchased. Now, what's odd is, is when the vehicle was impounded and George Anthony two weeks later goes to recover it, he goes there and he starts cleaning out the car, leaves the impound yard, goes and gets some gas, comes back. And then he comes and they report this odor to the police. Well, George and Cynthia, while they're there with the police, they say, Oh, I cleaned out the car and I threw away this -- this bag of garbage. So the police go back out to Johnson's Tow and recover it out of the garbage can in which they threw it, and that is what is in dispute. Now, what didn't make it out of the garbage can into police evidence, that's up to argument on both sides, I guess.


VAN SUSTEREN: I guess the jury will decide that one. All right. Tony Lazzaro is the former boyfriend of Casey. What's new about him, or what are we learning new about him?

FUHRMAN: OK. There was something we've been trying to work on. We're trying to get confirmation that Anthony Lazzaro or somebody else picked up Casey Anthony at Amscot's check cashing on the 27th. When her car supposedly stopped running, was broken down, ran out of gas, whatever reason, she parked it at Amscot's check cashing. So we wondered where did she go, who picked her up? Well, we got confirmation from somebody very close to the case today that Anthony Lazzaro actually picked her up at Amscot's check cashing. Now, what's interesting about that, it has to come from Anthony Lazzaro and/or Casey Anthony because all those video surveillance cameras, none of it was recorded. It's on a digital system. They have to trap it and then record it on a DVD to memorialize it, and if not, it's just lost. It is lost.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So apparently, the -- the video (INAUDIBLE) at least the same place as the ham or maybe no ham, which is a freak thing turns out to be of some significance to the case, and both sides will be fighting about that one. Mark, thank you.

FUHRMAN: Thanks, Greta.

Ham and Cheese Video
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3476648&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/national/crime/index.html

[Amy]

How could UNIVERSAL have let her keep and use the phone from 2 years prior?
They would not have.I know any company issued phone is turned in when an employee is terminated.So as far as having two phones?
I really doubt that one..

She never had a phone from Universal when she was employed 2 years ago. That employment was with Colorvision/Kodak @ a kiosk on the Universal grounds. But, never, never employeed w/Universal. The investigators debunked the employment story that very first night--and in doing so, debunked the "lost" phone story.

[Gatordog]

I see Conway is back pedalling as fast as he can about the memorial/funeral service in the jail. All these days, and he's just now saying, oh, that wasn't exactly what I meant? Pffft!!!!! Now that it's been reported that there had been NO REQUEST, and I'm sure after they have read/heard the public outcry, let's change it to, oh, all I really mentioned was the private meeting between the A's and Casey. IMO, he MUST have worded it quite differently, else why would MEMORIAL and FUNERAL come up in the reports?

You know what? NOW I am believing that he DID tell Mary Nguyen that the A's were going to ask for donations for a funeral. Whatever he was talking about, however he put it, he must have given the impression that there would be a request. @ first, I tho't she was an overzealous reporter out for a scoop, after the she was reprimanded by (the prosecution? the bar association?) a week or so ago. I think about Baez being investigated about money deals.

Now, I think she reports what people tell her, and she gets dragged thru the mud.

Amy, it's like I said, you can't trust anything anyone associated with the Ants says. You need have it verified by a reputable source such as LE in order to trust something.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, Mister Smarty Pants High Profile Lawyer Extrodinaire---DON'T YA THINK IF YOU HADN'T OPPOSED THE GAG ORDER, THERE WOULDN'T BE TELEVISION OR ANY OTHER COVERAGE OF YOUR CLIENT? Oh, yeah, the gag order would keep Baez, Luka and Conway off the airwaves. No more GMA, NG, GVS, LKL, no more on the street press converences with Kathy, Jessica and the others? NOW we know why he opposed the gag order. HE'd be having media withdrawals, to say nothing about the fact that what he and the other A's lawyers are doing are TAINING THE JURY POOL!!!! I haven't seen or heard from LE or the prosecution on all these shows, and VERY few pc's @ all!!!!

Yes'm. I agree with the TH on Prime News yesterday who remarked that Jose's time would be so much better spent working on the case than gallivanting around to appear in the medial.

[Amy]

You really have to wonder don't you? Conway was impressive at first ssounding like the voice of reason. Now he seems tainted.

And, I wonder how these lawyers came on the scene. Baez--now, I don't believe for one second that she found his number on the wall. (Hmmm.....OTOH, maybe like someone's number on the phone booth--for a good time call....????? :no:) Got his name from other inmates? Maybe they were women who he got off some charge (DUI, prostituting) and they flubbed up again? Or, did he see his golden opportunity for a high profile case and introduced himself?

I got to thinking, when you go to Jose's website, you can't get past the home page. No matter what link you click, it refreshes to home page. Wonder exactly WHO is listed on the attorney page? What names have popped up in this case would we find, if we could get to that page?

Well, I guess there have been links to Luka and to Conway and NeJames--all seem to be from other law firms, but it did cross my mind.

[beachbum]

You know the video of Casey and her little remark of "I have no one to comfort me but ME"--get ready-who is going to waste their time and comfort a baby killer in prison. No weekend visitors--she has no friends and family-well I think she has about done them in also. jmo