Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[javahog]

*respectful snip*

I myself do not believe Lee is Caylee's father, hell, the DNA's were done on everyone, which is the norm. No red flags raised, because it probably is protocol in a case as convoluted as this. WHOEVER Caylee's dad is, she looks like him ~ I still CANNOT get over her being 7 months pregnant and Cindy not addressing it. Bro Rick blasted her a good one about that!!

*respectful snip*

I do not believe he is the father either-that would be just too nutty. BUT: LE ONLY asked FBI to compare HIS dna versus Caylee's, no one else's unless it is in an unreleased page. Not CA, not GA, not the shovel neighbor, no one else in this doc dump. If it was negative, they should release that and clear him, because otherwise it looks bad. jmho

(Ps, it could be relevant re: cover-up.If the test was negative, it is irrelevant information. If it was positive, it could theoretically be relevant or irrelevant, depending on other evidence...)

[Gatordog]

way too many Soloman's on this thread. LOL I love the eastern accent. Any chance I can move there and get a job? My whole family is out east

From Jewish Virtual Library - Shira Schoenberg:

"Although Solomon was young, he soon became known for his wisdom. The first and most famous incident of his cleverness as a judge was when two women came to his court with a baby whom both women claimed as their own. Solomon threatened to split the baby in half. One woman was prepared to accept the decision, but the other begged the King to give the live baby to the other woman. Solomen then knew the second woman was the mother."

Is it so wrong to be a "Soloman". He knew someone was lying and someone was telling the truth and he found a way to test who was the true mother. He saved the baby.

We are just trying to find our own truths and express our opinions. Unfortunately, I am one of those people who would argue with a rock if I thought I was right. But, I also can change if the rock makes more sense than I. That's all we're doing, trying to make sense out of this situation. We missed you while you were gone and I hope you don't go away again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[joekuhl79]

I'm with you Loretta. I was all for Kronk, but now I'm having second thoughts. Things just don't make sense. I mean how coincidental could it be that he saw a different bag and made such a fuss over it, exactly where the body was found? I'm back to having no heroes again.

Gator

Don't doubt the good guys!! That's what the Liars and the BSers want you to do!

Look...Kronk saw a suspicious garbage bag...in MY mind, any garbage dumped in a vacant lot of forest is suspicious - I mean, why not just put your garbage at the curb to be picked up? Why go through the trouble of taking it somewhere 'out of the way'?

So he saw thsi garbage and called it in...no one came out...with all the publicity, he thought 'someone should check this out...it COULD be...so he calls again and again until someone comes out and says, "It's nothing."
So he forgets about it (or not) until he's in there area again, and is taking a leak and sees a bag. "I wonder if this is the same bag or a different bag or - holy sh!t there's a SKULL!" This time he calls his dispatcher and here we are.

I believe 100% that's what happened. Nothing nefarious. No tips or 'daisy chain' BS.

[Gatordog]

Hey Gator, wasn't that the clip where she said she wasn't supposed to be talkin? I remember her saying (what you said) to them. Remember when he was talking to her in the latest court appearance (where the judge demanded she get her a** there) and she pulled the charm with a big smile and batting her eyes? (he wasn't even looking at her by then) He knows the score, that she was playing coy with him the whole while! Especially for him to address it the other night!

Does she really believe the way to a man's heart is through his stomach?! She used to do it with Tony........:rolleyes: Twit . Brownies. Pfftt .

Yup, that's the clip. Never thought a brownie could be such a bad thing. She even gave brownies a bad name. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad056.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Don't doubt the good guys!! That's what the Liars and the BSers want you to do!

Look...Kronk saw a suspicious garbage bag...in MY mind, any garbage dumped in a vacant lot of forest is suspicious - I mean, why not just put your garbage at the curb to be picked up? Why go through the trouble of taking it somewhere 'out of the way'?

So he saw thsi garbage and called it in...no one came out...with all the publicity, he thought 'someone should check this out...it COULD be...so he calls again and again until someone comes out and says, "It's nothing."
So he forgets about it (or not) until he's in there area again, and is taking a leak and sees a bag. "I wonder if this is the same bag or a different bag or - holy sh!t there's a SKULL!" This time he calls his dispatcher and here we are.

I believe 100% that's what happened. Nothing nefarious. No tips or 'daisy chain' BS.

You're right, I'm going to dance my way back into happiness again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance019.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Of couse, we are all outside the box..........lookin in. But, you know, I'm honestly starting to feel better now about this case.
This is even much more circumstancial evidence than the Laci P case, and maybe someone involved (wife of a LE?) is seeing the things WE see. Maybe even Lurking on this board! It's going to be fine.

Don't attack all at once, but I'm Almost feeling sorry for Jose Baez ~ he is out of his element, out of his league, and doesn't have a chance in hell with this case. Did you all know 99% of all cases return on appeal? You can bet your butt, She is going to come back with inefficient counsel to try to get out of this (won't work anyway since she's guilty). Hey, I did say Almost!

OT ~ Michele Duggar and her husband who can't keep his pickle in his pants are on The View.:eek: Please dear God, no more for this couple ~ her insides are going to fall out! It just isn't......healthy!!http://i44.tinypic.com/i3xc8i.jpg MOO

Message to Michelle Duggar: Hey, lady. It's a uterus, not a clown car.

Have you ever read Southern Ladies and Gentlemen? Florence King had an aunt who just knew that her plumbing was going to fall out. One year at Thanksgiving, someone dropped the plum pudding (or something), and she went into hysterics thinking it had finally happened! :hat:

[Lodi]

Don't doubt the good guys!! That's what the Liars and the BSers want you to do!

Look...Kronk saw a suspicious garbage bag...in MY mind, any garbage dumped in a vacant lot of forest is suspicious - I mean, why not just put your garbage at the curb to be picked up? Why go through the trouble of taking it somewhere 'out of the way'?

So he saw thsi garbage and called it in...no one came out...with all the publicity, he thought 'someone should check this out...it COULD be...so he calls again and again until someone comes out and says, "It's nothing."
So he forgets about it (or not) until he's in there area again, and is taking a leak and sees a bag. "I wonder if this is the same bag or a different bag or - holy sh!t there's a SKULL!" This time he calls his dispatcher and here we are.

I believe 100% that's what happened. Nothing nefarious. No tips or 'daisy chain' BS.


In Kronk's call back on the 12th of August, he say's quote " I went down, uh, well, I had to take a, you know, and I went down and there was"

So it wasn't in December that he went to take a leak or whatever and happened to see the round white object, it was August 11.

No tips or daisy chains, just an unconvincing meter reader and an unimaginative deputy.

[joekuhl79]

OH MY GOD!!!!!! This is very important! Thank you Shar! This was posted by Casey a month after Caylee went missing!! She"TRUSTS/LOVES" HER NANNY? This right here, is going to get her blasted! This was posted after the world heard about the kidnapping and her parents got the T shirts?? AFTER?

Good lord. you should have been a lawyer Shar. Are you one? I wish we could get this on Nancy Grace. I never called in a TV program but I want to with this one. This is a keeper.

:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad: :cuss::cuss::cuss:

ALMOST....these texts were from July 13...the 911 call was July 15 and she was arrested July 16...

But still...two days before she told her mom that the nanny kidnapped Caylee 31 days ago she's telling a friend that she loves the nanny?!?!?

I dunno...some say she's a good liar...I say she's a pretty bad liar!

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't doubt the good guys!! That's what the Liars and the BSers want you to do!

Look...Kronk saw a suspicious garbage bag...in MY mind, any garbage dumped in a vacant lot of forest is suspicious - I mean, why not just put your garbage at the curb to be picked up? Why go through the trouble of taking it somewhere 'out of the way'?

So he saw thsi garbage and called it in...no one came out...with all the publicity, he thought 'someone should check this out...it COULD be...so he calls again and again until someone comes out and says, "It's nothing."
So he forgets about it (or not) until he's in there area again, and is taking a leak and sees a bag. "I wonder if this is the same bag or a different bag or - holy sh!t there's a SKULL!" This time he calls his dispatcher and here we are.

I believe 100% that's what happened. Nothing nefarious. No tips or 'daisy chain' BS.

Sorry, Joe. Until Kronk is vetted, he is worthy of suspicion. Probably wouldn't feel that way if he didn't embellish or change his story. Or had kept his trap shut.

[Lodi]

Um, can you say that again ten times real fast? Laundry calls. :eek:

bye :eek:

[Justice Denied?]

Yeah I am confused too

Sorry, that wasn't very clear. What I meant was the bag of trash with the pizza box found in the trunk had no odor of decomposition in it. I did not mean the bag Caylee was found in. This would be the bag that the spoiled pizza would have been in, but of course there is no pizza either. So that shot Cindy's story all to hell.

[lorettalockhorn]

hey Loretta are they from Arkansas? I remember seeing a show on A&E. Were they just visiting that family with many kids as well that was from Arkansas? I almost hate to ask as i do luv your state-Northern part is so beautiful.

Beem, they are from northwest Arkansas. It's pretty just about everywhere in our state, but I'm partial to the NW section.

Have you ever seen these?

http://buffalorivergallery.com/displayimage.php?album=46&pos=0

[shadydaisy]

Usually Im not so judgemental about something as personal as how many children one ought to have ( my mom is one of 12 and originally there were 14 ~ 2 died way back from those thing people died from ~ way back then :confused:.) My grandpa should've laid off My grandma too, but in those days, the children worked also (1910 or so) in Italy.

In this case, hell, it's 2009, and their kids have 'CHORES' that most adults don't even have as a job requirement! One has laundry duty...for 20 people! etc etc. It's wrong wrong wrong. She's not preg for 3 months out of the year and those 3 months, she's takin care of the newborn. The old enough kids do all the damn work.

Watched them get ready for vacation :rolleyes: or something...I almost had a coronary I was sooooooooo mad.

My sentiments, exactly.

[beachbum]

hey Loretta are they from Arkansas? I remember seeing a show on A&E. Were they just visiting that family with many kids as well that was from Arkansas? I almost hate to ask as i do luv your state-Northern part is so beautiful.

I told my kids to move in with them--they would never know they were there they have so many. All the kids names start with J and 1 only one would have to change his name.

[Gatordog]

Always wondered that myself. My guess is hung out at friends and probably alot at home when G&C were at work. It must have started to get real old for the Liar. Everything was closing in on her and especially the fact that Caylee was getting older and therefore soon would be capable of telling G&C about her day without Casey lying her way out of it. Never heard or read anything. Perhaps thats why G&C never followed her when they suspected she did not work. They could have followed her from the comfort of their own home. MOO

Except George wasn't working for two years. He only recently went back to work. The more I think about it, the more questions get raised.

[Gatordog]

I agree totally Joe. Takes everyone off the real focus. Dont know if thats an area where u are only allowed to put out so many bags per week or pay for extra- Gator may know. I know thats how it is here which prompts others to dump garbage in remote areas.

Trash is collected twice a week no limit to bags - one day you're allowed to have big stuff like a couch or mattress. Lawn and tree debris is picked up once a week and that has to either be bagged or tied in bundles no longer than 6 feet.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for sharing those photos-just beautiful. I see alot of signs that advertise cave tours but just have not had the time to do it yet. Is it worth the time? looks fascinating?

I would nevah, evah go into a cave. Too scarrrrrrryyy

[Gatordog]

I am hoping you have space for the rest of us who are up north from you. we will warm up your frogs

My frogs were pale, but they look ok. I would bring them inside but they live in the track of my sliding glass door and the hurricane shutters. The picture is of PeeWee.

My birdbath water was frozen, I couldn't get my key into the car lock, the windows were all iced up and I don't have a heater in my car. Oye Vey, what a situation.

Gator

http://i42.tinypic.com/15qep8l.jpg

[Gatordog]

Maybe he was recuperating from his stroke? Didn' the have his stroke only a couple years or so ago? I'll tell ya, his monsterin law and her sister went hard on him. No mercy LOL! I guess momma doesn't like George.

I think when he was a cop in Ohio, he hurt his knee badly. It had been getting worse and he had to have his knee replaced or operated on which was two years ago. He didn't have a stroke, they thought he may have had one due to the surgery. He only just healed enough to go back to work and I think there may be a law suit involved and a settlement.

[Gatordog]

How cute gator!!! He looks like he's sitting at a table with his cawffee. :)

One day I'll hafta to give ya a cawl and we can tawk while we have cawffee, but the wauda has gotta be hot. I miss my NY speak. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk030.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[One2Snoop]

Report: Casey Anthony Trial Could Move To Jacksonville, Miami
Anthony's Attorney Expected To Seek Venue Change

POSTED: Wednesday, January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 1:51 pm EST January 22, 2009

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The public attention paid to the case of Casey Anthony, who is accused of killing her daughter, may force her murder trial to be held outside Orlando, and Jacksonville is one of the possible destinations, Local 6 sister-station WJXT-TV reported.

Last month, a meter reader found a garbage bag containing the remains of Caylee, who was 2 years old when she was reported missing in mid-July. Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death.

Although a motion for a change of venue has not yet been filed in court, the defense has given a draft to the prosecution.

WJXT-TV reported that there are several cities being considered for the change of venue, mostly metropolitan areas, and Miami and Jacksonville are on the list of possibilities.

The disappearance of Caylee, the arrest of her mother and the discovery of the child's body have captured national media attention for months.

Duval County Clerk of Courts Jim Fuller said accommodations would definitely have to be made at the courthouse for the swarm of media that can be expected cover the trial.

"It would certainly impact the number of people that come in and out of the courthouse everyday," Fuller said.

He said one of the courtrooms can hold 200 people, but extra security would be required.

The court administrator said moving a trial to Jacksonville would be very costly and they would have to determine who would pay the bill.

The issue of seating an impartial jury is another thing that will have to be considered; and to avoid the media coverage the jury may have to be sequestered.

"I don't recall any time we've ever done that before, but in a case like this, a judge may want to do that," Fuller said.

The limited parking near the courthouse is yet another matter that may be weighed as the question of whether to bring the trial to Jacksonville is considered.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18535355/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Bar Has Grievance On Baez-Media Connection
Questions Arise Over How Legal Team Is Paid

POSTED: 6:54 am EST January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 11:56 am EST January 22, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez has been dogged by questions about who's paying him, and how he is funding his legal dream team.

Those questions have now become a formal grievance.

The Florida Bar wants to know more about his relationship to Press Corps Media, a group that often sends press releases quoting the Baez law firm.

On Wednesday, Baez held a news conference denying any backroom deals.

“I have absolutely no book deals, no entertainment deals…with anyone,” Baez said.

In the news conference, Baez criticized "certain tabloid reporters" and suggested their coverage could be defamatory.

The quickly called news conference came on the day when prosecutors released a new set of documents in the case, including details that a heart-shaped sticker was on the duct tape found on the remains of Casey Anthony’s daughter. (Read Article About Documents

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of Caylee, whose remains were found in woods in east Orange County last month. Anthony had reported Caylee missing in mid-July and said a babysitter last had the then 2-year-old.

On Tuesday, Baez said he is aware that the Florida Bar Association is investigating him.

The Florida Bar Association will neither confirm nor deny whether it is compiling a case against Baez due to confidentiality rules.

Baez said the case was filed by people with an ax to grind.

The investigation centers on how Baez is paying his legal team, including a world-class forensics expert who he signed on to help with the case.

Baez said Tuesday to WESH 2 News that he has done nothing unethical, but he has consistently declined to address where the money is coming from.

"First of all, I think it's an inappropriate question ... I don't think it's any concern of anyone who is paying for all of this," Baez said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

[Justice Denied?]

Sharlock, I'm with you on that. I can't come up with any reason why he would make up this story. Perhaps the date was wrong, but LE would have found it some other day on the EZPass statement. At this point, I have doubts about everything I hear from everyone associated with this case. It's like the saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

Gator

That is why it is so impossible to figure out exactly what happened in this case. Just about the time you think you have a fact nailed down, you realize that the original information came from one of the Anthonys and you don't know if it's true or not. It's crazy making.

One other thing, Casey says she was working the afternoon of the 16th. If that is true, how were all her calls made from the Anthony home? They've got her on that one.

[Mojo]

Usually Im not so judgemental about something as personal as how many children one ought to have ( my mom is one of 12 and originally there were 14 ~ 2 died way back from those thing people died from ~ way back then :confused:.) My grandpa should've laid off My grandma too, but in those days, the children worked also (1910 or so) in Italy.

In this case, hell, it's 2009, and their kids have 'CHORES' that most adults don't even have as a job requirement! One has laundry duty...for 20 people! etc etc. It's wrong wrong wrong. She's not preg for 3 months out of the year and those 3 months, she's takin care of the newborn. The old enough kids do all the damn work.

Watched them get ready for vacation :rolleyes: or something...I almost had a coronary I was sooooooooo mad.


ITA Basically the kids all raise each other and do all the work. Mom parades for the tv cameras. Plus they keep having more because whatever network that is keeps paying for all their vacations etc.

[lorettalockhorn]

Awwww cmon-I'll walk u thru it with your eyes shut if need be :)

Like Leroy does when we go on an escalator, or up steps with no risers, or those scarrrrrrrryyyyyy metal bridges over the Chicago River. :eek:

Thanks, friend! :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

My frogs were pale, but they look ok. I would bring them inside but they live in the track of my sliding glass door and the hurricane shutters. The picture is of PeeWee.

My birdbath water was frozen, I couldn't get my key into the car lock, the windows were all iced up and I don't have a heater in my car. Oye Vey, what a situation.

Gator

http://i42.tinypic.com/15qep8l.jpg

Omigsh! Thatis the cutest thing I've seen in a long time!

[Justice Denied?]

The sticker was a smiley according to LP - other stickers were on the page Casey took it off of....

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: I`ll tell you, it`s a wealth of information. And a young friend of mine, Katelyn (ph), told her dad, You know, it looks like Leonard Padilla was right on more than one issue.

You take the black plastic bag with the yellow tie on it, you take the duffel bag -- which was not a duffel bag, it was a laundry bag -- clothes in the bag -- that was very important -- and then you go to a little smiley sticker that we have on a laptop that was in her room, that Tracy had back there when she was with her -- she took it off a page of little sticky things, put it right on the laptop. Now...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

Just had a thought. Caylee was found with a blue shirt and white shorts, apparantly the clothes she wore the day before. Perhaps they were already in the dirty clothes hamper and Casey just dumped Caylee in on top of them. Don't know if it makes a difference but it's a possibility.

[lorettalockhorn]

That is why it is so impossible to figure out exactly what happened in this case. Just about the time you think you have a fact nailed down, you realize that the original information came from one of the Anthonys and you don't know if it's true or not. It's crazy making.

One other thing, Casey says she was working the afternoon of the 16th. If that is true, how were all her calls made from the Anthony home? They've got her on that one.

Ain't it the truth!!

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA Basically the kids all raise each other and do all the work. Mom parades for the tv cameras. Plus they keep having more because whatever network that is keeps paying for all their vacations etc.

Not a fan of this freaky family. Those kids don't seem to have a childhood, but from what I can tell, they do seem happy. I guess they don't have a lot to compare their lives to, or maybe I'm wrong and they're not as sheltered as I imagine.

[Justice Denied?]

Yep. (banging my head on table) and.........
She should make up her damn mind about which lies she wants to keep! In the transcripts I reread yesterday she told LE she knew her for 4 years.

and notice how she just skipped over the ? 'how much do they charge?" This is probably how she got away with most of her lies..she goes on to something else.

And if you will watch Cindy's interviews with LE and her appearances on TV, you will find she does exactly the same thing. She will talk about something completely different and avoid the subject completely. Casey learned fom an expert.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just had a thought. Caylee was found with a blue shirt and white shorts, apparantly the clothes she wore the day before. Perhaps they were already in the dirty clothes hamper and Casey just dumped Caylee in on top of them. Don't know if it makes a difference but it's a possibility.

That's a great thought. Did Casey strip Caylee before or after killing her? And what did she do with those clothes? She didn't get rid of her own stinky slacks from the car; what could there be on the Caylee's clothes that could be any more damning than the odor of death?

[Gatordog]

Kiwi:

http://i41.tinypic.com/vhxf2q.jpg


PeeWee and Kiwi's babies in a banana plant:

http://i39.tinypic.com/65sxly.jpg

Gator

[shadydaisy]

Gator - Your pet frogs are too cute! They live between the sliding door and hurricaine shutters? Must be something there they like!

Sorry to have sent some of the cold weather your way.

[Gatordog]

Gator - Your pet frogs are too cute! They live between the sliding door and hurricaine shutters? Must be something there they like!

Sorry to have sent some of the cold weather your way.

You should have seen me this summer. While the Liar was busy killing and disposing of her child, I was going like a crazy person with three basins full of tadpoles making sure they all survived. I loved every minute of it watching them go from something the size of a sesame seed then to a tadpole and then being able to jump out of the basin and onto the banana plants. Fed them goldfish flakes.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

We are probably considered devil people HA! They probably tell them the rest of us have it wrong, the right way, the Christian way they do it is the right way....Ignorance is bliss. They do seem happy but I think you are right, nothin to compare to. Put some of those girls in a real school, in the real world, and let's see if they would still consider that way of life what They choose. If I remember right, they don't have TV, I think.

Lovely house. Like it, dontcha? Those kids help build it. I'm tellin ya, I need them to come here and help finish the upstairs bathroom!!!!!!!

Lovely pics Loretta, but if I ever run away from home, I think I'm going to run to my brother in AZ...I'm tired of the cold weather!

BTW did you give Leroy his MM Birthday cake? LOL

Of course I'm devil people. I'm Presbyterian and we don't have church on Wednesday, and are out of church by noon on Sunday! Don't care much for their house, but it's probably because it's so full of kids! Their piano is shinier than my Bluthner. Wonder if they hire those kids out?

So tired of the cold here too, although it's a little above sixty today. I shocked the pool, but couldn't get the automatic vac to prime. So even though it's nice, it's not nice enough to actually stand out there and manually vacuum.

Oh! Leroy loved his cake. He has a sweet tooth like you would not believe!

[lorettalockhorn]

Kiwi:

http://i41.tinypic.com/vhxf2q.jpg


PeeWee and Kiwi's babies in a banana plant:

http://i39.tinypic.com/65sxly.jpg

Gator

Adorable!

[lorettalockhorn]

Did I hear that she even disposed of the diapers along with Caylee?

Not sure. I've only read about 1/3 of what was released. Whooping it up with Leroy and then paying for it with a hangover. :punch:

[beachbum]

That's a great thought. Did Casey strip Caylee before or after killing her? And what did she do with those clothes? She didn't get rid of her own stinky slacks from the car; what could there be on the Caylee's clothes that could be any more damning than the odor of death?

I wonder if they have found the denim skirt George said Caylee supposedly left out in that day. Remember Scott Peterson told what Laci was wearing the morning he left her at the house...but that is not what they found her in...if I recall correctly. She was found in the clothes she was last seen wearing on Dec 24. He said he last saw her on morning of Dec. 25. Casey and Scott have so much in common its really scary. Both are monsters. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL! Those pictures you posted ~ the photography is amazing...one shot all the way down has a coral colored mist over the water in a nook type setting..I'll live there, as long as you don't mind me coming to your house to eat :o ~ I don't do camping anymore....

I can cook on some nights too! http://i43.tinypic.com/96gnt4.jpg

Tim Ernst does slide shows around the state and has written several books. We have a couple and they are very high quality. I think he does his own publishing. Interestingly, he has some trouble with the law; he has published directions to many of the falls, including those on private property. There are a lot of nature lovers in the area who loathe him for encouraging trespassing. He is occasionally under fire for staging his pix, but that doesn't bother me.

HAHAHA Julia Child. One of my favorites. "If you don't want to use butter, you can substitute cream..."

[lorettalockhorn]

This is quite believable and a total possibility ! Good thinking, JD!


Danager, yes, her little pullup with the flower on it was in the bag with her bones too! Now don't start cussing,..........I'll do it for you :cuss::cuss::cuss:

Thanks OS! Duh me, I was thinking along the lines of getting rid of all the boxes and bags of diapers, not just one. :punch:

[shadydaisy]

Did I hear that she even disposed of the diapers along with Caylee?

Pull-ups (for those not current with toddlers - diaperlike training pants) with little flowers on them, to be exact.

[lorettalockhorn]

Nah, you're just still in an alcohol induced fog from your nite with Leroy!
Ah Ha..Wondered why you were so quiet today....LOL

That's what you get for not having us over and helping you all celebrate!

:tongue:

Well, I had to go to town today. And y'all should be soooooo proud. I got dressed. Believe it or not!

It was pretty; lots of hawks on the hunt, and my neighbors down the road a piece (whose barn is rumored to cost more than my house) have two donkeys in their horse pasture. Made me think of a certain PI. LMAO

[Gatordog]

They are absolutely the cutest things! Pee Pee (oh I mean Pee Wee) LOL and Kiwi!
Do the dogs know they are there? The babies look like little coqui frogs in Puerto Rico! Haven't been to FL for about 6 years. Yep, all ready for sun, fun, Universal and Disney. Weather turned bad when we got there, just like you're having now, and we had to go shopping for heavier jackets and sweats and stuff. BRRRRRRRR. Then we ALL got sick, spent a solid week in the room, and the last 2 days were ok, we made the best of them.

No, it wasn't a good time, but the weather is what really sucked. I'll never forget it. Sorry you're freezing your buns off, kiddo.

I'll name the next one PeePee. Cause when they do, they really do. :)

If you come back to FL, I promise the weather will be better. When they come out from the shutter track at night and sit on the sliding door glass, the cats all sit on the arm of the chair, watching. Mac goes a little nuts when he sees them. Broke my heart that when Jessica accidently got into the house, he killed her. She jumped on my shoulder and I didn't realize that she then jumped into the house. I found her the next morning. Actually, Gator found her and he came to tell me. I heard Mac making a fuss during the night and I didn't get up to check. It still haunts me. Makes me think of Cindy and the nightmares she's going to have for the rest of her life. I was upset over a little frog that was killed by my dog....I wouldn't want to be her for even five seconds.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Oh how adorable!!! How did you get those pics up? I'm playing around with tiny pics but I'm just making a mess. Those babes are so beautiful!! I love them!

Go onto the website www.tinypic.com

When the site opens, click the "Browse" box

It will bring you to your hard drive, and then find where you have your pictures stored. Open that file and scroll through your pics and then click on the picture. It will import the picture to the file box on tinypic. Then go to Resize and pic the size you want - either email (smaller size) or the message board (slightly bigger). Then hit upload now.

It will take a minutes or longer- it's not fast. When it comes back with the address - highlight the IMG code address, copy it and then you can paste it into your message in the thread.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Pictures from Casey's Myspace page....

http://i41.tinypic.com/2n6dfdl.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/34pcsua.gif

[lorettalockhorn]

Pictures from Casey's Myspace page....

http://i41.tinypic.com/2n6dfdl.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/34pcsua.gif

Whut the fack?!?! (That second image.)

[lorettalockhorn]

We saw You! Even took a picture! http://i40.tinypic.com/fa9538.jpg

You know, Loretta, don't understand why you don't like LP.........He's got a big hat, you've got a big hat............:D

Here I am:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2u8jixg.jpg

Big hair, big mouth. You know.

[lorettalockhorn]

You're a pisser. Come on, pass that bottle over!

Stoli on the house! :tongue:

[One2Snoop]

Birthday Princess....

http://i39.tinypic.com/fy1vsj.jpg
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos

[Woostock]

Javahog
I am way behind in reading the posts but I did want to tell you that my son, who is an ER physician, said the same thing...He did a fellowship in integrative medicine and believes alternative remedies are indicated in certain instances.
Our vet also is a practictioner of alternative med. and does acupuncture for dogs with seizures and if that works fine, and if not then meds are indicated. One of our goldens had seizures and they stopped with acupuncture. Sometimes that's all that is needed; but if not the meds are always available...My son says Western medicine, as good as it is, can be harsh...He is in a Level One hospital....

[One2Snoop]

Today Show - MSNBC
Horrid Details Emerge In Anthony Case

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28790282#28790282

[FDInLaw]

Here I am:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2u8jixg.jpg

Big hair, big mouth. You know.Where have I seen that before? (lol). What ever happened to seahag????


LMBO. :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

Today Show - MSNBC
Horrid Details Emerge In Anthony Case

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28790282#28790282

Thank you for posting this. The heart sticker just kills me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Where have I seen that before? (lol). What ever happened to seahag????


LMBO. :biggrin:

Here she is in all her glory:

http://i44.tinypic.com/p6art.jpg

Hey, was it you who said she was going to watch Lie To Me last night? How was it?

[javahog]

Javahog
I am way behind in reading the posts but I did want to tell you that my son, who is an ER physician, said the same thing...He did a fellowship in integrative medicine and believes alternative remedies are indicated in certain instances.
Our vet also is a practictioner of alternative med. and does acupuncture for dogs with seizures and if that works fine, and if not then meds are indicated. One of our goldens had seizures and they stopped with acupuncture. Sometimes that's all that is needed; but if not the meds are always available...My son says Western medicine, as good as it is, can be harsh...He is in a Level One hospital....

I love having access to Western medicine. But I try to avoid it if possible. A lot of the time it is the nuclear option, when you just need an IED, you know? I happily use alternatives. But there are times I have wanted and needed access to the Red Phone. I so appreciate the knowledge and guts doctors have to take lives into their hands, please thank your son, because he is one of the unsung heroes!

[deputydi]

Of couse, we are all outside the box..........lookin in. But, you know, I'm honestly starting to feel better now about this case.
This is even much more circumstancial evidence than the Laci P case, and maybe someone involved (wife of a LE?) is seeing the things WE see. Maybe even Lurking on this board! It's going to be fine.

Don't attack all at once, but I'm Almost feeling sorry for Jose Baez ~ he is out of his element, out of his league, and doesn't have a chance in hell with this case. Did you all know 99% of all cases return on appeal? You can bet your butt, She is going to come back with inefficient counsel to try to get out of this (won't work anyway since she's guilty). Hey, I did say Almost!

OT ~ Michele Duggar and her husband who can't keep his pickle in his pants are on The View.:eek: Please dear God, no more for this couple ~ her insides are going to fall out! It just isn't......healthy!!http://i44.tinypic.com/i3xc8i.jpg MOO
Where on earth did you get that statistic? Very few convictions are successful in being retried on appeal and even fewer result in acquittals. If you can substantiate that with a link, I'd sure like to read it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Javahog
I am way behind in reading the posts but I did want to tell you that my son, who is an ER physician, said the same thing...He did a fellowship in integrative medicine and believes alternative remedies are indicated in certain instances.
Our vet also is a practictioner of alternative med. and does acupuncture for dogs with seizures and if that works fine, and if not then meds are indicated. One of our goldens had seizures and they stopped with acupuncture. Sometimes that's all that is needed; but if not the meds are always available...My son says Western medicine, as good as it is, can be harsh...He is in a Level One hospital....

Missed this earlier, congratulations on having raised a fine son! Harsh is a great way to describe many Western medical practices.

[eatcupcakes]

I will make the peasants' feast - pasta aioli. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink061.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

For those of you who don't know what that is, it's pasta with garlic and oil. Sort of shrimp scampi without the shrimp. It's oooooh so good. But don't burn the garlic, it has to stay sweet. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink020.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

I am and S to, put lots of parm cheese on aioli. Makes in even more yummy

[eatcupcakes]

I have been away for a day, but wanted to tell you it's nice to know people who like animals and yes many times they are more relaxing to be with then people, maybe because they can't talk. I have two rescure dogs Rudy and Murphy and one stray that came to our house one day, looked like she had been dumped, she was about 6 months old. We took her in I named her Ziti, like the pasta and she stole our hearts. Then we have a kitty named Chelsea who is 12 and she and all the dogs get along wonderfully. The two boys are easy to please but Ziti is our Diva.

This is why I can't image someone waiting 30 days to report her child missing. If one of my dogs went missing I would be hysterical I would be calling everywhere and posting signs and out there looking for my dog. This is a little girl I should have been even more devastating. And this not caring behavior is going to do the Liar in.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=shadydaisy;9155771]IIRC LP mentioned that the DNA results of Caylee were too closely related to her mother; therefore, the possibility exists that the father is also related to the mother. Caylee's DNA did not fall in the norm. It's Caylee's DNA that raised the red flags for me. DNA science has come a long way and something was off with her's which brought the whole issue up.

A DNA comparison between Lee and Caylee was requested, no results released. As someone up thread wrote - the results should be released if it proves that the DNA relationship between Lee and Caylee is that of uncle/niece.

I'm not saying Lee is or is not the father. Just adding to why the speculation exists Mu8shark opines [/QUOTE That was me who said that. I agree it makes sense to me that if he is the uncle they would release that as a matter of course. I could also being overthinking it. I have been known to do that!

[mu8shark]

I have been away for a day, but wanted to tell you it's nice to know people who like animals and yes many times they are more relaxing to be with then people, maybe because they can't talk. I have two rescure dogs Rudy and Murphy and one stray that came to our house one day, looked like she had been dumped, she was about 6 months old. We took her in I named her Ziti, like the pasta and she stole our hearts. Then we have a kitty named Chelsea who is 12 and she and all the dogs get along wonderfully. The two boys are easy to please but Ziti is our Diva.

This is why I can't image someone waiting 30 days to report her child missing. If one of my dogs went missing I would be hysterical I would be calling everywhere and posting signs and out there looking for my dog. This is a little girl I should have been even more devastating. And this not caring behavior is going to do the Liar in. Got two dogs myself and agree, agree , agree with your whole post.

[mu8shark]

Where on earth did you get that statistic? Very few convictions are successful in being retried on appeal and even fewer result in acquittals. If you can substantiate that with a link, I'd sure like to read it. I have to call ya Soul as well on this . It is really much more the opposite. I have followed true crime for 30 years and while cases are appealed certainly most are denied. Need a link definitely!

[Brainstorm]

Got two dogs myself and agree, agree , agree with your whole post.

I cant prove this, of course,but imo, dogs may be angels.They may be the superior animal.It does say in the Bible that angels can take any form and they do support us,protect us, LOVE us, unconditionally.
RIP to my buddy,Oscar,a real friend.

[SaraSidle]

Sure! There's room enough for everybody at Nawny's house! I live in a 12 room historic Greek Revival. There are even servants quarters upstairs but I can't find the servants. I think they died from cleaning this monstrosity! You can work for Poppa! How do you feel about snow, slush, ice, arthritis, driving through the hood every day and playing chicken on the turnpike @ 70 miles per hour with the worst drivers in the country? Poppa has an Insurance Brokerage firm and a tax office. I'm not good with numbers and he needs an agent! Then again, you could always hang with Nawny and watch laundry pile up and we can drink cawffee all day :)

LOL I can be a great servant but I cannot cook. You know we have the same weather in MI and drivers. do not feel alone

[Gatordog]

I have been away for a day, but wanted to tell you it's nice to know people who like animals and yes many times they are more relaxing to be with then people, maybe because they can't talk. I have two rescure dogs Rudy and Murphy and one stray that came to our house one day, looked like she had been dumped, she was about 6 months old. We took her in I named her Ziti, like the pasta and she stole our hearts. Then we have a kitty named Chelsea who is 12 and she and all the dogs get along wonderfully. The two boys are easy to please but Ziti is our Diva.

This is why I can't image someone waiting 30 days to report her child missing. If one of my dogs went missing I would be hysterical I would be calling everywhere and posting signs and out there looking for my dog. This is a little girl I should have been even more devastating. And this not caring behavior is going to do the Liar in.

We have a lot in common - you found an abandoned dog and named her Ziti. I found an abandoned dog outside of my house and named him Macaroni. :beer:

Gator

[SaraSidle]

I have been away for a day, but wanted to tell you it's nice to know people who like animals and yes many times they are more relaxing to be with then people, maybe because they can't talk. I have two rescure dogs Rudy and Murphy and one stray that came to our house one day, looked like she had been dumped, she was about 6 months old. We took her in I named her Ziti, like the pasta and she stole our hearts. Then we have a kitty named Chelsea who is 12 and she and all the dogs get along wonderfully. The two boys are easy to please but Ziti is our Diva.

This is why I can't image someone waiting 30 days to report her child missing. If one of my dogs went missing I would be hysterical I would be calling everywhere and posting signs and out there looking for my dog. This is a little girl I should have been even more devastating. And this not caring behavior is going to do the Liar in.


I would lose it if I could not find my cats. they are indoor cats but just the same I would not wait an hour to call 911. and you are so right about the parmesan. always makes a big difference

[SaraSidle]

We have a lot in common - you found an abandoned dog and named her Ziti. I found an abandoned dog outside of my house and named him Macaroni. :beer:

Gator

Oh no gator this is waaay too funny. thanks:seeya:

[mu8shark]

OH MY GOD!!!!!! This is very important! Thank you Shar! This was posted by Casey a month after Caylee went missing!! She"TRUSTS/LOVES" HER NANNY? This right here, is going to get her blasted! This was posted after the world heard about the kidnapping and her parents got the T shirts?? AFTER?

Good lord. you should have been a lawyer Shar. Are you one? I wish we could get this on Nancy Grace. I never called in a TV program but I want to with this one. This is a keeper.

:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad: :cuss::cuss::cuss: And in the interview with detectives they ask her if Nanny ever said anything weird like I would love to keep your child or anything unusual at all.( I am totally paraphraing) and Casey answers , Only how much she loved her and proud she was about the way she was raised. And then I think they ask again' so nothing that would make you suspicious'. And she answers no. So now Baez not only has to explain dear old non existent Nannys motive but he has to explain why 2 hours after her child and the nanny don't show up she decides she kidnapped her without checking hospitals , car wrecks, if she got hurt in a crime or was abducted herself. So she goes from knowing her for 4-6 years (Casey can't keep this lie straight) and totally trusting her to accusing her of not only kidnapping her child but thinking if she calls the police, sweet, supportive, trusting, generous "I will buy your kid whatever she needs" nanny to turned to evil, possible killer kidnapper for no reason! Uh huh....

[SaraSidle]

Hey sweetie:seeya: Don't stop posting you are too valuable. Just take a break because it is a tough case and it has gotten to all of us at some stage or other. I went to look at the messages between Iassen and Casey again since they are mentioned in the doc dump and have a looky at this bit I must have missed earlier.
ID Oh you wanna go on a date with me at the beach while you have a boyfriend, that looks grrrrrrrrrrreaaaaaaaat
KC Hahahaha. It wouldnt have to be a “date” . But you need a friend, I miss my friend. Its a win, win
ID (3.03pm) LOL. I wanna know , have I ever hurt you?, like emotionally
KC Most definitely not
ID Ok then.
KC (3:04pm ) You seriously are one of the nicest guys I have ever met. Hands down
ID Impossible
KC No, its very possible
ID (3.05pm) How did you get over me? Was it Mr Ricardo Morales montoya gonzalez?
KC(3.06pm) Haha. It helped . I've had a constant crush on ya for a long time
ID Nuts
KC You're telling me
ID (3.08pm) We didnt even hang out that much
KC Its one of those things.....you get a good vibe from someone.

sharlock. something I forgot to mention yesterday that I found curious. Zenaida Gonzalez had a huge heart tattoo on her right hand. probably does not mean a thing but I thought about it when I heard about the heart stickers on Caylee. just a tidbit of info.

[SuzDuJour]

Is the state still holding little Caylee's remains or have they been released to C&G for a funeral? I'm wondering if the delay is because they don't have access to the remains or if they can't afford a funeral or if they are delaying because they don't want to answer any more questions? Maybe they simply can't bear to part with her yet.

"Cindy and George Anthony have said they plan a private memorial and funeral for their granddaughter and have no plans to visit their daughter in an Orange County jail. Investigators told the Sentinel that further questioning of the Anthonys would wait until after the funeral."

[lorettalockhorn]

And in the interview with detectives they ask her if Nanny ever said anything weird like I would love to keep your child or anything unusual at all.( I am totally paraphraing) and Casey answers , Only how much she loved her and proud she was about the way she was raised. And then I think they ask again' so nothing that would make you suspicious'. And she answers no. So now Baez not only has to explain dear old non existent Nannys motive but he has to explain why 2 hours after her child and the nanny don't show up she decides she kidnapped her without checking hospitals , car wrecks, if she got hurt in a crime or was abducted herself. So she goes from knowing her for 4-6 years (Casey can't keep this lie straight) and totally trusting her to accusing her of not only kidnapping her child but thinking if she calls the police, sweet, supportive, trusting, generous "I will buy your kid whatever she needs" nanny to turned to evil, possible killer kidnapper for no reason! Uh huh....

I have always wondered what could be the motive, and how it manifested so suddenly. Mary Poppins to Simon Legree; zero to sixty in no time flat. It's, it's, it's like there are two Zannys! :eek:

[mu8shark]

I'm with you Loretta. I was all for Kronk, but now I'm having second thoughts. Things just don't make sense. I mean how coincidental could it be that he saw a different bag and made such a fuss over it, exactly where the body was found? I'm back to having no heroes again.

Gator Well despite my back and forth with Loretta and the fact that we disagree, which Loretta and I try to do gracefully I think LOL. It is good to have people on here who will ask the questions the defense is going to ask. Even when people disagree with me, I appreciate it when I can tell they are smart and asking some good questions. I am being sincere and hope I don't get on anyones nerves .I know I have strong positions and I tend to get things in my teeth. LOL. But if he is found to have a connection with the Anthonys, it can only hurt Casey. I would be careful if I were Jose about asserting anyone led him to that spot unless he tries to make Kronk friends with nonexistent nanny.lol Because if the Anthonys led him there or the PI got info and led him there, the only way they could have found out might just be through Casey. So he might want to be careful where he goes with this. But you guys do ask good questions.

[javahog]

Is the state still holding little Caylee's remains or have they been released to C&G for a funeral? I'm wondering if the delay is because they don't have access to the remains or if they can't afford a funeral or if they are delaying because they don't want to answer any more questions? Maybe they simply can't bear to part with her yet.

"Cindy and George Anthony have said they plan a private memorial and funeral for their granddaughter and have no plans to visit their daughter in an Orange County jail. Investigators told the Sentinel that further questioning of the Anthonys would wait until after the funeral."

Its actually the defense counsel that has "custody" of the remains right now, and Jose Baez said he will not release her until he has all the tests results from the state's examination in case he wants to duplicate any tests.

[Justice Denied?]

Thank you gator! I'll try it. These are my 5 little weebles that I treasure and there is no possible way anyone can hurt them. I have 3 more who are not in this picture. One boy and 7 girls. I love to take care of them. There is nothing I'd rather be doing.



Nawny and her weebles minus 3. Christmas 2008
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=erd0cx&s=5
Okay lets see what happens now.

Love your weebles. I have 7 of my own, 6 girls one boy. Also 3 ggrandkids 2 girls one boy. They are my reason for living. Got a call just a few minutes ago that my youngest ggranddaughter cut her first tooth. Whee, they sure grow up fast.

[javahog]

sharlock. something I forgot to mention yesterday that I found curious. Zenaida Gonzalez had a huge heart tattoo on her right hand. probably does not mean a thing but I thought about it when I heard about the heart stickers on Caylee. just a tidbit of info.

Oooh, real ZG or imaginary ZG? Must be real one: I distinctly remember Casey saying ZG had no tattoos, don't I?

[mu8shark]

Ewwwwww, don't tell Jose that! ;) The real one or the imagined one? If Casey was close enough to see her car and kind of id it like she did (I realize she id d a car like hers) maybe she noticed it and when she picking a sticker she went with that or I could be overthinking it again. LOL.

[Gatordog]

Here she is in all her glory:

http://i44.tinypic.com/p6art.jpg

Hey, was it you who said she was going to watch Lie To Me last night? How was it?

I saw Lie To Me and I thought it was excellent. Mom also had a high opinion of it. I liked the actors and their portrayals; the story is very good and I liked the use of photos of actal people taken in stressful situations which showed their inner feelings withiut being aware they were doing it. They showed Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Kato Kalin, Gov. Spitzer and others.

Gator

[mu8shark]

Ahhh, so ya know! I believe RI was voted the worst drivers. It's a death defying experience to drive to Providence in the morning. Thank God I don't have to do that anymore but I worry about everyone else who has to. The cars today are very precision machines, and they can cut you off within a foot and it's damn scary. Driving to Boston is even worse. I've never known anyone from RI. What is that like? LOL. Isn't it a small state. ?

[SuzDuJour]

Its actually the defense counsel that has "custody" of the remains right now, and Jose Baez said he will not release her until he has all the tests results from the state's examination in case he wants to duplicate any tests.

Thanks!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Well despite my back and forth with Loretta and the fact that we disagree, which Loretta and I try to do gracefully I think LOL. It is good to have people on here who will ask the questions the defense is going to ask. Even when people disagree with me, I appreciate it when I can tell they are smart and asking some good questions. I am being sincere and hope I don't get on anyones nerves .I know I have strong positions and I tend to get things in my teeth. LOL. But if he is found to have a connection with the Anthonys, it can only hurt Casey. I would be careful if I were Jose about asserting anyone led him to that spot unless he tries to make Kronk friends with nonexistent nanny.lol Because if the Anthonys led him there or the PI got info and led him there, the only way they could have found out might just be through Casey. So he might want to be careful where he goes with this. But you guys do ask good questions.

I think we do a pretty darned good job of disagreeing in a socially acceptable way!

[Justice Denied?]

And in the interview with detectives they ask her if Nanny ever said anything weird like I would love to keep your child or anything unusual at all.( I am totally paraphraing) and Casey answers , Only how much she loved her and proud she was about the way she was raised. And then I think they ask again' so nothing that would make you suspicious'. And she answers no. So now Baez not only has to explain dear old non existent Nannys motive but he has to explain why 2 hours after her child and the nanny don't show up she decides she kidnapped her without checking hospitals , car wrecks, if she got hurt in a crime or was abducted herself. So she goes from knowing her for 4-6 years (Casey can't keep this lie straight) and totally trusting her to accusing her of not only kidnapping her child but thinking if she calls the police, sweet, supportive, trusting, generous "I will buy your kid whatever she needs" nanny to turned to evil, possible killer kidnapper for no reason! Uh huh....

Well, how about the second story, that this sweet, loving wonderful knocked her down in the park and stole her child?

[javahog]

Love your weebles. I have 7 of my own, 6 girls one boy. Also 3 ggrandkids 2 girls one boy. They are my reason for living. Got a call just a few minutes ago that my youngest ggranddaughter cut her first tooth. Whee, they sure grow up fast.

Aww, she must be about the same age as my daughter...August baby? It is such a cute age, even with all the drool!

[mu8shark]

We know there wasnt a Nanny but people what did Casey and Caylee do for 2 years every day when she pretended to go to work and take her to the Nanny's. Are any of her friends coming forward saying that she was with them? I mean that is alot of time to waste. Maybe sometimes she came back to her parents and watched tv like episode reruns of One Tree Hill. Probably not even on then. IF she had really thought it out she would have gone to the local library and done her googling, it would have been really hard for LE to track that. Maybe she went shopping, the beach, friends,, etc., just guessing.

[Gatordog]

Well despite my back and forth with Loretta and the fact that we disagree, which Loretta and I try to do gracefully I think LOL. It is good to have people on here who will ask the questions the defense is going to ask. Even when people disagree with me, I appreciate it when I can tell they are smart and asking some good questions. I am being sincere and hope I don't get on anyones nerves .I know I have strong positions and I tend to get things in my teeth. LOL. But if he is found to have a connection with the Anthonys, it can only hurt Casey. I would be careful if I were Jose about asserting anyone led him to that spot unless he tries to make Kronk friends with nonexistent nanny.lol Because if the Anthonys led him there or the PI got info and led him there, the only way they could have found out might just be through Casey. So he might want to be careful where he goes with this. But you guys do ask good questions.

Shark, I'm probably happiest when I can get into a good discussion/debate. Some people don't enjoy going back and forth with their opinions or ideas but I like it so you will never get on my nerves. And you're right that if Kronk somehow received info to leak, it can only hurt the defense.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Ewwwwww, don't tell Jose that! ;)

I have a question aboutthe sticker: Now supposedly it was glued on at the time of the murder. That field and the body were supposedly under water. How did that sticker stay on and not disintegrate so they were able to find it later?:confused::shrug::confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't know if y'all saw JVM and/or NG, but besides talk about the new evidence, there was a lot of talk about C&G, mostly Cindy. They discussed her conversations with co-workers and how naive G&C were about Casey and the nanny. And there was discussion about how dysfunctional the Ants' household was. So this all got me to thinking that even in normal healthy families that do get along, a tragedy can completely tear them apart. Now what we have here is the opposite of normal healthy, and for what ever reason it seems to have drawn them together. Supposedly Lee and Casey could barely tolerate George, Cindy resented Caylee being dumped on her, George and Casey each considered the other to be a leech, but abbracadabbra now they're the Finger Family and Casey is CEO.

How is that possible?!

And OT: We Southerners love to muse about OPM; we know that G&C don't have the money to afford the Dream Team. But do they even work anymore? How are they able to afford their house payments, car payments, etc? (Just call me Yenta.)

[javahog]

I don't know what tests they haven't done. We found out the second autopsy was done 5 days after it was. Now perhaps they are holding the remains in order to learn more results from her DNA as regards to who the father is. If so, I want to know why that matters, unless it opens new possibilities to who the murderer is.

Don't bite me. I know she did it, but they might be trying for acquittal on more evidence of paternity? They have to build their case on something besides Casey's lies. :shrug:

The "someone else had something to hide and Casey was afraid the police would find something out if she went to them" defense?

Not necessarily on the same topic: if no media deal, who is paying for the defense?

[javahog]

I think we do a pretty darned good job of disagreeing in a socially acceptable way!

I'd rather see you take up candlesticks in the library at high noon, but to each his own :D

[mu8shark]

I don't know what tests they haven't done. We found out the second autopsy was done 5 days after it was. Now perhaps they are holding the remains in order to learn more results from her DNA as regards to who the father is. If so, I want to know why that matters, unless it opens new possibilities to who the murderer is.

Don't bite me. I know she did it, but they might be trying for acquittal on more evidence of paternity? They have to build their case on something besides Casey's lies. :shrug: The thing is it does not look like they are asking any of Caseys former pararmours to come in for dna tests nor could the defense compel them to, so unless it turns out to be Lee that very well may be a dead issue for the defense. And lets say they do id a dad they better have some ways to tie him to the car, the trash bags in the Anthony house, the comp searches, the Pooh bedding and have an explanation how he got physical possession of Caylee. Did Casey just black out and the real Dad stole her? It would be a tough , tough sell. Matching those trash bags is not good for the defense > Didn't Melanie McGuire get squeezed by her trash bags? I did not follow that case but I think I remember that. If I were a friend of Joses with legal expertise I would talk to him about pleaing because even if the defense experts try to give a different interpretation of the forensics, it will be just that, they can't for instance say that a decomp band has never existed on a dead hair in any case only that it is a possibility it is not decomp . And if the hair from the bag matches up to the hair in the trunk, how in the hell...... I mean tough sell.

[lorettalockhorn]

I saw Lie To Me and I thought it was excellent. Mom also had a high opinion of it. I liked the actors and their portrayals; the story is very good and I liked the use of photos of actal people taken in stressful situations which showed their inner feelings withiut being aware they were doing it. They showed Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Kato Kalin, Gov. Spitzer and others.

Gator

It's supposed to be on again tomorrow night, so going to try to remember to watch. Just checked the DISH guide and I don't see it. :(

[Gatordog]

Oh no gator this is waaay too funny. thanks:seeya:

Sara, I'm glad you didn't stay away. You add so much to the forum.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I'd rather see you take up candlesticks in the library at high noon, but to each his own :D

HAHAHA We can work it that way too! :hat:

[mu8shark]

I think we do a pretty darned good job of disagreeing in a socially acceptable way!It helps that nobody on here really tries to flame the list just to be onery and play games. It also helps that so many of you show your intelligence, humor and compassion too!

[Justice Denied?]

Aww, she must be about the same age as my daughter...August baby? It is such a cute age, even with all the drool!

No, June 14. I had a ggrandson April 7, a grandson April 22 and this little ggranddaughter. 3 babies in 1 Spring. Make me an ole lady. My other ggranddaughter will be 4 the 24th. Party is Sat.

[javahog]

Maybe sometimes she came back to her parents and watched tv like episode reruns of One Tree Hill. Probably not even on then. IF she had really thought it out she would have gone to the local library and done her googling, it would have been really hard for LE to track that. Maybe she went shopping, the beach, friends,, etc., just guessing.

ah, the image of spoiled little Casey on a public library computer!

[mu8shark]

From Jewish Virtual Library - Shira Schoenberg:

"Although Solomon was young, he soon became known for his wisdom. The first and most famous incident of his cleverness as a judge was when two women came to his court with a baby whom both women claimed as their own. Solomon threatened to split the baby in half. One woman was prepared to accept the decision, but the other begged the King to give the live baby to the other woman. Solomen then knew the second woman was the mother."

Is it so wrong to be a "Soloman". He knew someone was lying and someone was telling the truth and he found a way to test who was the true mother. He saved the baby.

We are just trying to find our own truths and express our opinions. Unfortunately, I am one of those people who would argue with a rock if I thought I was right. But, I also can change if the rock makes more sense than I. That's all we're doing, trying to make sense out of this situation. We missed you while you were gone and I hope you don't go away again. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator Believe me you are describing me here as well. LOL.

[javahog]

No, June 14. I had a ggrandson April 7, a grandson April 22 and this little ggranddaughter. 3 babies in 1 Spring. Make me an ole lady. My other ggranddaughter will be 4 the 24th. Party is Sat.

Wow that's great! 3 in a row after a 3 year gap, funny!

[SuzDuJour]

I have a question aboutthe sticker: Now supposedly it was glued on at the time of the murder. That field and the body were supposedly under water. How did that sticker stay on and not disintegrate so they were able to find it later?:confused::shrug::confused:

My understanding is that they only found heart-shaped residue - most likely from the adhesive - on the duct tape (maybe when they dusted it for prints?), but found the face of the sticker elsewhere at the crime scene. I'm thinking it was a plastic type sticker that didn't dissolve in the water, but floated off the duct tape at some point.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know what tests they haven't done. We found out the second autopsy was done 5 days after it was. Now perhaps they are holding the remains in order to learn more results from her DNA as regards to who the father is. If so, I want to know why that matters, unless it opens new possibilities to who the murderer is.

Don't bite me. I know she did it, but they might be trying for acquittal on more evidence of paternity? They have to build their case on something besides Casey's lies. :shrug:

The prosecution has made it pretty clear that the case is predicated on Casey's having acted alone. Unless the father can be tied to the murder or some kind of coverup, I don't think it matters. I'm much more suspicious of Lee (and G&C) helping after the murder than beng Caylee's father, but I suppose those two could be tied together.

Yenta! You're making me pee my pants laughing! :o

http://pmcaregivers.com/images/depends5.jpg

[Gatordog]

Don't know if y'all saw JVM and/or NG, but besides talk about the new evidence, there was a lot of talk about C&G, mostly Cindy. They discussed her conversations with co-workers and how naive G&C were about Casey and the nanny. And there was discussion about how dysfunctional the Ants' household was. So this all got me to thinking that even in normal healthy families that do get along, a tragedy can completely tear them apart. Now what we have here is the opposite of normal healthy, and for what ever reason it seems to have drawn them together. Supposedly Lee and Casey could barely tolerate George, Cindy resented Caylee being dumped on her, George and Casey each considered the other to be a leech, but abbracadabbra now they're the Finger Family and Casey is CEO.
How is that possible?!

And OT: We Southerners love to muse about OPM; we know that G&C don't have the money to afford the Dream Team. But do they even work anymore? How are they able to afford their house payments, car payments, etc? (Just call me Yenta.)

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy080.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Give me a L- O- R- E- T -T- A - Loretta!

You are just too funny.

[lorettalockhorn]

It helps that nobody on here really tries to flame the list just to be onery and play games. It also helps that so many of you show your intelligence, humor and compassion too!

Lord knows there are plenty of other places online to play games! There isn't a single person in this thread that doesn't have great ideas, make me think, and oh so kindly point out the obvious.

[mu8shark]

Don't doubt the good guys!! That's what the Liars and the BSers want you to do!

Look...Kronk saw a suspicious garbage bag...in MY mind, any garbage dumped in a vacant lot of forest is suspicious - I mean, why not just put your garbage at the curb to be picked up? Why go through the trouble of taking it somewhere 'out of the way'?

So he saw thsi garbage and called it in...no one came out...with all the publicity, he thought 'someone should check this out...it COULD be...so he calls again and again until someone comes out and says, "It's nothing."
So he forgets about it (or not) until he's in there area again, and is taking a leak and sees a bag. "I wonder if this is the same bag or a different bag or - holy sh!t there's a SKULL!" This time he calls his dispatcher and here we are.

I believe 100% that's what happened. Nothing nefarious. No tips or 'daisy chain' BS. This is exactly what I think. I think as a former bounty hunter he kind of was one of those guys who gets interested in true crime and when one was in his neighborhood, hoo boy, he was on the case. When the first bag was nothing and he was reassigned he also had to hear the media tout airport pings so he did not go back and do anymore looking at all. As I said last night only in Nov do we learn airport pings did not pan out. He gets reassigned and right about then doesn't he and starts poking around again. LOL. I at least have one juror who won't look in the direction the defense wants us to. LOL

[javahog]

Excellent mu! All true enough. I'm searching for what the He!! Baez will shoot for. He claims he will work to the best of his ability to defend his client. I'm worried about him.

Oh, don't worry, I'm sure he is looking out for number 1!

I just wonder how the CEO of Finger, Inc. is going to help the defense in any way. Think Jose is getting "stories" too, or is she on the level with him?

[One2Snoop]

I saw Lie To Me and I thought it was excellent. Mom also had a high opinion of it. I liked the actors and their portrayals; the story is very good and I liked the use of photos of actal people taken in stressful situations which showed their inner feelings withiut being aware they were doing it. They showed Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton, Kato Kalin, Gov. Spitzer and others.

Gator

I watched it and also thought it was good -

LIE TO ME, the compelling new drama from the producers of 24, stars Tim Roth ("The Incredible Hulk," "Reservoir Dogs") as DR. CAL LIGHTMAN, the world's leading deception expert who studies facial expressions and involuntary body language to discover not only if someone is lying, but why. When someone shrugs one shoulder, rotates a hand or raises the lower lip, Lightman knows he's lying.

Based on the real-life scientific discoveries of Paul Ekman, the series follows Lightman and his team of deception experts as they assist law enforcement and government agencies to expose the truth behind the lies.


read more about the background here...

The Truth behind "Lie To Me" 9 clips from the show...
http://fox.com/blogs/lietome/

[mu8shark]

Rewatching NG that first part that I missed and Casey boo hooing "spent the whole day by myself and I was miserable. The only one to comfort me is myself. " Maybe she should of thought of that when she was gassing her child to death and she tossed her in the trunk and then threw in the woods like garbage. When she starts complaining, it really gets to me how selfish and vile she is.

[Gatordog]

Thank you gator! I'll try it. These are my 5 little weebles that I treasure and there is no possible way anyone can hurt them. I have 3 more who are not in this picture. One boy and 7 girls. I love to take care of them. There is nothing I'd rather be doing.



Nawny and her weebles minus 3. Christmas 2008
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=erd0cx&s=5
Okay lets see what happens now.

I think you picked the wrong address to use - you used the one for email. You need the one that says IMG. That one will import the pic instead of the address.

[Gatordog]

Rewatching NG that first part that I missed and Casey boo hooing "spent the whole day by myself and I was miserable. The only one to comfort me is myself. " Maybe she should of thought of that when she was gassing her child to death and she tossed her in the trunk and then threw in the woods like garbage. When she starts complaining, it really gets to me how selfish and vile she is.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad032.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
I'm shocked that she didn't say the only one there to comfort her was Zanny!

Gator

[javahog]

Rewatching NG that first part that I missed and Casey boo hooing "spent the whole day by myself and I was miserable. The only one to comfort me is myself. " Maybe she should of thought of that when she was gassing her child to death and she tossed her in the trunk and then threw in the woods like garbage. When she starts complaining, it really gets to me how selfish and vile she is.

This is why I don't care either way on the DP. The only emotions I've seen her display are negatively affected by incarceration. Why not let her suffer a long and club-free life in solitary? She hates it. It'd be like Hell's Foyer...

[mu8shark]

That is why it is so impossible to figure out exactly what happened in this case. Just about the time you think you have a fact nailed down, you realize that the original information came from one of the Anthonys and you don't know if it's true or not. It's crazy making.

One other thing, Casey says she was working the afternoon of the 16th. If that is true, how were all her calls made from the Anthony home? They've got her on that one. Yeah because she does give a time she went to pick up Caylee after work , I believe it is fiveish. So she blew that big time. Her cell phone places her at her folks home or near enough..

[Gatordog]

I wonder what has happened to Mac? He had some good posts. Maybe he's just reading. If you're there Mac, stop by and say hello.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

My understanding is that they only found heart-shaped residue - most likely from the adhesive - on the duct tape (maybe when they dusted it for prints?), but found the face of the sticker elsewhere at the crime scene. I'm thinking it was a plastic type sticker that didn't dissolve in the water, but floated off the duct tape at some point.

Okay, I guess I can see that. It just seems weird for the sticker to still be there after so long and all the water.

[mu8shark]

I have a question about the police theory that they think she dumped the body on the 18th because there were pings near that area. I wonder if it could be possible that she did dump it the 18th and then on the 20th when Tony picked her up walking around the same street area of Chickasaw she was checking on something in that area, like if the bag broke open or was still there. Or could the reverse be true that she was on the 18th scoping out the area and she stopped her car there and the pings were picked up and then she waits until the 20th to do the actual dumping. I don't think they can possibly do bugs and plants to the exact day. Maybe i am wrong but I think that it is only like a time frame not an exact day. And wouldn't both days probably show pings in that same area. Maybe Gator can answer this, how far is the area where the body was found from the area on Chickasaw where Tony found her walking on the 20th? IF you know. I mean maybe LE should not try to be too exact on their time frames. Like give a general time frame because sometimes that comes back to bite you in the ass. I guess though she could be in that area on the 20th to come back and get her clothes at her parents house not checking on the body. Just curious. Any thoughts on them pinpointing the 18th as the exact dump date?

[Justice Denied?]

LOL!! Soon enough my friend! I'm 58 years old and counting.

I'm 63. And I'm thinking being on line with Loretta, Danagher and Gator will probably cause it to happen sooner than later.

[mu8shark]

Also Casey telling her parents in that jail tape not to talk to the police if they are not nice to them is I think codespeak for" if the f---ers keep accusing me and implicating me , don't cooperate. Anything you say may be used against me.} Which by the way remember when CIndy said that the reason she had said the car smelled like a dead body was to give the police a sense of urgency and get them out there? Then of course we all know she says she saw pizza. Didn't she tell people at work the car smelled like a dead body?? ANd she was going to wait to call the police.?? That kind of debunks that story.

[mu8shark]

Also I disagree somewhat with the lawyers on JVM that this family stuff will all be irrelevant. I think they will somewhat have to set the scene for why with motive and get into some family dynamics. And for sure i think it will come up in the penalty phase because her lawyers are going to try to throw her parents under the bus and say "Oh this poor girl came from a dysfunctional home, have some mercy on her"BTW the Mom from KC missing on NG is in my neck of the woods.

[SaraSidle]

Kiwi:

http://i41.tinypic.com/vhxf2q.jpg


PeeWee and Kiwi's babies in a banana plant:

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Gator

Oh my Gator. I am not a lizard person but they are so cute!!!!!! but my cats would eat them after playing with them. Or give them heart attacks and then bring them to me. they did that once while I was in bed. now I save all the mice they chase so they do not bring them dead to me LOL but you really do have cute babies there. If I ever get to FLA I want to come see them. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Also Casey telling her parents in that jail tape not to talk to the police if they are not nice to them is I think codespeak for" if the f---ers keep accusing me and implicating me , don't cooperate. Anything you say may be used against me.} Which by the way remember when CIndy said that the reason she had said the car smelled like a dead body was to give the police a sense of urgency and get them out there? Then of course we all know she says she saw pizza. Didn't she tell people at work the car smelled like a dead body?? ANd she was going to wait to call the police.?? That kind of debunks that story.

Um yeah. And when the co-worker(s) asked if they looked in the trunk, she just didn't answer.

Also I disagree somewhat with the lawyers on JVM that this family stuff will all be irrelevant. I think they will somewhat have to set the scene for why with motive and get into some family dynamics. And for sure i think it will come up in the penalty phase because her lawyers are going to try to throw her parents under the bus and say "Oh this poor girl came from a dysfunctional home, have some mercy on her"BTW the Mom from KC missing on NG is in my neck of the woods.

ITA about the family dynamics. Casey contributed as much or more to what was going on in that sad household. As much as I think G&C let Caylee down, and that this might could have been prevented, Caylee is responsible for the murder and probably helping to pit the rents against each other to get her way. Noticed that one of the talking heads on JVM seemed to think that getting custody or an adoption wouldn't have been that tough or expensive. Not sure what I think of that, but apparently it wasn't just the counselor who thought that was a good option, seems like someone at work suggested it too.

Renee Pernece(sp)? The case sounds grim even before the forensics come back. Felt so sorry for her Dad tonight, saying that there is nothing that can't be solved if she comes back. Godspeed

[lorettalockhorn]

Go girl :D Did Leroy get his sugar? Meaning his cake (ahem) Happy Belated Birthday to him. I meant to tell you that yesterday before i got bogged down in the doc. dump. I will lead ya both thru the cave and over the bridge :D No probs.

Of course he got his sugar! He's spoiled rotten! Thanks to you and the others for the BDay wishes. :seeya:

I don't wanna go in the cave. Too scared!

[SaraSidle]

Yenta! You're making me pee my pants laughing! :o

I am laughing also. What is a normal family again? I forgot

[SaraSidle]

Sara, I'm glad you didn't stay away. You add so much to the forum.

Gator

Oh Gator I have been here since the start and I cannot do it anymore. Everything is signed sealed and delivered to me to quote a wonderful singer. You have been a wonderful poster letting us know what is happening in Orlando. Many people feel that way here if they tell you or not. I am so sorry but as I have told many the heart stickers just has killed any interest I have. I usually stay very far way from children cases and now you know my reason. but stay on your toes cause I am a great Lurker. and you are a wonderful poster. I really appreciate all the info in the beginning before my computer broke on 10/31/08. you gave us all so much info to work with. I will never forget it.............remember when I told you to look at the field across from you apartments???? I was such a -itch but wanted her found so bad. I am so glad she is found. very peaceful. you are good

[SaraSidle]

A normal family is when you see a disrespectful child get a pop on the ass.

:no:

I am quite sure you must be very more definitive!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I really do not care. You go girl.l

[beachbum]

Thank you gator! I'll try it. These are my 5 little weebles that I treasure and there is no possible way anyone can hurt them. I have 3 more who are not in this picture. One boy and 7 girls. I love to take care of them. There is nothing I'd rather be doing.



Nawny and her weebles minus 3. Christmas 2008
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=erd0cx&s=5
Okay lets see what happens now.


What precious girls. Thanks for sharing.

Loretta you are a hoot and I love to read:read: your comments. We need a little silly with all the seriousness of this crime. Its hard to take any way and well sometimes you gotta laugh before you cry.

[beachbum]

Maybe sometimes she came back to her parents and watched tv like episode reruns of One Tree Hill. Probably not even on then. IF she had really thought it out she would have gone to the local library and done her googling, it would have been really hard for LE to track that. Maybe she went shopping, the beach, friends,, etc., just guessing.

This is silly but too bad the Ant's didnt have a Mrs. Kravitz like on Bewitched...she was so nosey she knew everything that went on next door hahahaha. sorry just a thought that came to my head. I think Im tired tonight.

[SaraSidle]

Go girl :D Did Leroy get his sugar? Meaning his cake (ahem) Happy Belated Birthday to him. I meant to tell you that yesterday before i got bogged down in the doc. dump. I will lead ya both thru the cave and over the bridge :D No probs.

so shameful beem. but i am sure whatever the loretta woman did was good . she is a very smart southern woman we could learn from. Happy birthday Leroy

[lighthousedazy]

This is silly but too bad the Ant's didnt have a Mrs. Kravitz like on Bewitched...she was so nosey she knew everything that went on next door hahahaha. sorry just a thought that came to my head. I think Im tired tonight.Great, Mrs. Kravitz was so funny and definately helped make that show. :D Sometimes it's a godsend to have a nosy neighbor. imo

[lighthousedazy]

Out of the mouths of babes eh. Thanks for sharing the darlings in the pics.
I agree. They are beautiful. :)

[SaraSidle]

Loretta is that indeed. I think Leroy is one lucky man. Good to see ya here. I was asleep till i decided i needed a snack. So here i am for a bit.:rose:

I understand. I do not read anymore but I like to lurk especially when people have not been here for real long. Only joking of course. Done with the rest. Yes I did find out in my own way that Ms Loretta is a wonderful cook.my DH used to live in Arkansas and between the 2 of them I got real hungry even though we were just passing food menus. not to mention she is very sharp on details in cases. if something happens to me you sic her on it.sara

[lighthousedazy]

Goodnight folks. Great posters here. :rose:

[browneyes106]

Birthday Princess....

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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos

That hat is ridiculous looking.

[browneyes106]

I heard again tonight on the video where she tells her mother that they had the opportunity to get her out and didn't take it, after Cindy told her she didn't have the means to get her out and asked where she was hearing that.
Then the liar tells Cindy to give George the phone because she was getting upset. I wanted to choke her. I think CIndy did too and I believe they are staying away from her now because they loath the sound of her name.

Did you hear the shrink head talk about her sociopath ways? She did a great job tonight. Nancy didn't even interrupt her. She went on for a while about Casey's love-hate relationship with Caylee and how she meant to kill her and placed the heart sticker on her mouth in anger, not love. Do I have that right?

I agree Nancy seemed really pleasant in tonight's show.

[javahog]

I heard again tonight on the video where she tells her mother that they had the opportunity to get her out and didn't take it, after Cindy told her she didn't have the means to get her out and asked where she was hearing that.
Then the liar tells Cindy to give George the phone because she was getting upset. I wanted to choke her. I think CIndy did too and I believe they are staying away from her now because they loath the sound of her name.

Did you hear the shrink head talk about her sociopath ways? She did a great job tonight. Nancy didn't even interrupt her. She went on for a while about Casey's love-hate relationship with Caylee and how she meant to kill her and placed the heart sticker on her mouth in anger, not love. Do I have that right?

Yeah, she was great, I just listened again. She said the sociopath switches between love and hate, which explained how she could be so loving in the pictures (and why her friends thought she was a great mom I presume) and hate, where she could kill her child and put that sticker on saying "I heart you" and go on.

As for having their chance to get out, she had to have been talking about the reward for Caylee. Hey, what's a little embezzlement for Casey, maybe? And yeah, no way they haven't shown up for the reasons given. "Love" knows no caution. If they wanted to see her, they could just go say happy new year, gorgeous...
Too creepy.

[javahog]

A normal family is when you see a disrespectful child get a pop on the ass.

:no:

What would be normal about pouring a coke on a child's buttocks?:eek:

Okay, I'm kidding...

[javahog]

I am confused on the part of how Liar (I cant call her by name-she is a non person) expected they (G&C) could have got her out?

In a previous meeting with Lee he told her that the reward was over 200,000 and she responded that that was like half her bail. (all paraphrased) I think she was thinking they had access to that money and simply chose to save it for, you know, saving Caylee rather than bailing her out.

Cindy was confused by what she was saying, because she had no means of providing bail, so she was mystified...and then the phone was dutifully handed to George...

[javahog]

I am glad G&C are staying away. The best thing they could do for themselves right now. I hope it's a sign they are moving toward accepting the truth. They will never find a way to function until they do. As angry as Cindy has made me over time i would not wish this on anyone. The anguish on that last tape of Cindy was just gut wrenching. And to have to listen to how the liar talks about herself-appalling. So many moments i just wished they would hang up the phone and walk away. Their lives will never be the same but i truly hope with alot of counselling they will find a "New Normal" down the road.

I just felt through that interview that they were making a last concerted attempt to find out information, to translate Casey-ese into something they could work with. But by the end, there was a look in both their faces that made it clear that they were finally getting that she is mad, at least from what I could see. They are choosing to not see the madness again, imo.

[javahog]

Night!:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

I like that we can care,share,be silly,off topic,what have you. Tension reduction.:rose:

LOL now quit making me laugh again. ot i do miss you

[SaraSidle]

What would be normal about pouring a coke on a child's buttocks?:eek:

Okay, I'm kidding...

[I]t does not matter. the whole thing remains to be sickening. everywhere

[SaraSidle]

I didn't say anything about it being successful, or resulting in acquittals. CNN/Mike Galanos had on a legal panel Wed. afternoon. (no link to be found) They discussed and made the appeal comment, but more importantly, they brought up the ineffectual counsel question. I always felt that later on Casey would do something like this because of Baez's lack of experience. When they said 'it's more than likely' considering everything, it made my ears perk up for sure. I incredulously thought "could she do this?" He is in way over his head and they noted that.

You all need to keep in mind that there are so many facts and fiction and publicity here that no one will every really be correct. i think you are all wonderful but this case is beyond anything we have dealt with. Definitely nothing to argue over cause we really do not know a lot yet. or we know too much and it is too hard to put together. either way we have something to learn from each other and nothing really to argue about.please just grow

[Amy]

I haven't listened to/read whatever was released today, yet. But I will, because I was seriously under the impression from what I had read before, that Kronk was tracking the same bag August through December.

The reason I tho't it might be a different bag (after hearing the comments on NG, and probably after reading Sharlock @ the time) was because of the different colors. One can visualize a BLACK bag fading to grey (maybe even white if left out long enough, but that would be a LONG stretch) after being exposed to sun, heat, the elements. BUT, it would NOT make sense for a grey bag (and especially a white one) to change to BLACK after such exposure.

[SaraSidle]

The reason I tho't it might be a different bag (after hearing the comments on NG, and probably after reading Sharlock @ the time) was because of the different colors. One can visualize a BLACK bag fading to grey (maybe even white if left out long enough, but that would be a LONG stretch) after being exposed to sun, heat, the elements. BUT, it would NOT make sense for a grey bag (and especially a white one) to change to BLACK after such exposure.

yes that whole thing is too wierd for me Amy. hey I have been looking at other message boards and hearing wierd stuff about george. he went missing for a while and may have attempted suicide but is okay now. IMO this is not from me but you may want to look at InSessions. i need to go to sleep now. all turned over to all of you. if I knew your phone#'s or alarm clocks i would work on it. lOl miss you all

[SaraSidle]

keep lurking as down the road u may feel u need to speak. Especially along the way of the trial and we see justice. I remember that your DH is from Arkansas. Send me your MIL's fried chicken recipe. Loretta is way to saavy on details for me to ever have to sic her on it. I will now be bombarding u with messages as i will so miss u here. You have to take care of your heart right now. I luv ya girlfriend and ya know that. You have one of the kindest hearts and souls i have come to know. :rose:

just read this and i am on it. DH biggest love is chicken and dumplings. I am a vegan so I am not sure how we remain together. LOL and do not forget I am lurking on you because I expect the best. do not let me down

[SaraSidle]

That hat is ridiculous looking.

wow this is a look I have never seen on One2Snoop but you have to say it goes nice with her dark hair. I mean I think so. Do you wear it often??????????????

[SaraSidle]

Great, Mrs. Kravitz was so funny and definately helped make that show. :D Sometimes it's a godsend to have a nosy neighbor. imo

All our neighbors are nosey and we love it!!!!!!!!

[Gatordog]

George Anthony was reported missing last night at 10:30 pm. He had left the house early in the morning and missed a 4:30 meeting. He texted messages that he wanted to kill himslf. The police traced his cell phone pings and found him in Daytona Beach. He has been Baker acted and in the hospital now. Cindy and Lee are in the house. The police just returned George's car to the house.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Birthday Princess....

http://i39.tinypic.com/fy1vsj.jpg
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http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos

In her stupid crown she reminds me of the wicked queen in Snow White. Makes sense, the evil queen is jealous of Snow White so she poisons her.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

George Anthony was reported missing last night at 10:30 pm. He had left the house early in the morning and missed a 4:30 meeting. He texted messages that he wanted to kill himslf. The police traced his cell phone pings and found him in Daytona Beach. He has been Baker acted and in the hospital now. Cindy and Lee are in the house. The police just returned George's car to the house.

Gator


I knew you and Beem would be on this. Gator what does baker acted mean?

[SaraSidle]

In her stupid crown she reminds me of the wicked queen in Snow White. Makes sense, the evil queen is jealous of Snow White so she poisons her.

Gator

I still want to see O2S wearing it

[SaraSidle]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/23/florida.anthony/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

I knew it! I always said he would cave first. :(

good morning danagher. you go with your convictions. the whole thing makes me tired. LOL been a soap opera every day since July 15th.

[SaraSidle]

Gator will probably have a better answer than I-I am going on Canadian assumption of law. You can legally hold someone for 48 hrs. for evaluation if deemed a threat to other's or themselves. That's how it works on my side of the pond. Oh dear gawd this is just so sad. If he can get thru this he can turn it into something positive in memory of Caylee. As John Walsh did-I know a much different circumstance but as i see it he has 2 choices. Let the Liar win by destroying another life totally or making good of it for others and himself. So..... sad to hear of this.:rose:

goodness beem that is way to sad but I am not suprised. I mean how does one deal with their loved child kills their loved grandchild. Makes me feel lucky in a way. yeah I thought maybe baker was a FLorida thing and that is why I asked. and you know a lot of policemen do eat their guns so we probably should have seen this coming at some point maybe. too many things to deal with anymore. get some rest before work

[eatcupcakes]

George Anthony was reported missing last night at 10:30 pm. He had left the house early in the morning and missed a 4:30 meeting. He texted messages that he wanted to kill himslf. The police traced his cell phone pings and found him in Daytona Beach. He has been Baker acted and in the hospital now. Cindy and Lee are in the house. The police just returned George's car to the house.

Gator

This really breaks my heart. I feel so bad for him. I always felt he was the most sentitive one in the family and I also thought he was pretty sure what happened to Caylee and he was just hanging on to a hope that maybe she was still alive. The Liar has destroyed this family.

I think the picture of the Liar in the crown says it all. She wanted to be the Queen and the center of the world and then Caylee was born that she became the center of the world to George and Cindy and that sent the Liar over the edge. It is like the wicked step mother in Snow White.

For George:rose: I hope medical professional can help him to get a grip. I can only imagine how he must feel. His world has ended in the most atrocious way. He has to face, his daughter killed his grand daughter who he loved with all his heart and wanted to protect from all harm and evil in the world but he could not save her from his own daughter, her mother. He is living in a hell he wants to get out of. Boy I woke up this morning a little down because my husband is out of work and then I read about George and I realise how much worse things can be. I am counting my blessings right now.

[Gatordog]

I knew you and Beem would be on this. Gator what does baker acted mean?

It means that he goes into a hospital for mental evaluation without signing himself in, someone else requests it. It can be as long as 3 days against his will. But I heard that he did go willingly. They showed him from the back getting into an unmarked police car.

Gator

[applesandorange]

Poor George. I feel so bad for him :rose: I feel that he knew the truth the whole time and was putting on a charade to appease Cindy. I hope he gets the help he needs. This must be even more difficult for him being ex LE. So many of those guys wind up killing themselves when either they or a family member commits a crime. My heart goes out to George. IMO he just can't keep living the lie that Casey is innocent and it is killing him.

[Gatordog]

I agree Dan-i am sure the sticker thing cemented the deal for him what he knew in his head all along. It just took awhile for his heart to catch up. They need to get on with the funeral and have a proper grieving. Hopefully Baez can grow a heart and stop prolonging this-if it's legal crap holding this up-that would be beyond cruel. MOO:rose:

Beem, I agree with you. The fact that Caylee was found about six weeks ago and has been in a cardboard box is more than horrible. G&C have had one blow after another and Cindy won't face the truth, George knows the truth and has to hide it from Cindy. It's the hiding and not being able to talk about it honestly that may have put George over the edge. You know, he said he had to be stong for his wife, but I find that it's the female of the species that is stronger emotionally. If they are able to give her a proper burial, sooner rather than later, I think that would be the beginning to recovery. I'm thinking another possibility, but it's too soon to say it, you will throw knives at me.

Gator

[Gatordog]

This really breaks my heart. I feel so bad for him. I always felt he was the most sentitive one in the family and I also thought he was pretty sure what happened to Caylee and he was just hanging on to a hope that maybe she was still alive. The Liar has destroyed this family.

I think the picture of the Liar in the crown says it all. She wanted to be the Queen and the center of the world and then Caylee was born that she became the center of the world to George and Cindy and that sent the Liar over the edge. It is like the wicked step mother in Snow White.

For George:rose: I hope medical professional can help him to get a grip. I can only imagine how he must feel. His world has ended in the most atrocious way. He has to face, his daughter killed his grand daughter who he loved with all his heart and wanted to protect from all harm and evil in the world but he could not save her from his own daughter, her mother. He is living in a hell he wants to get out of. Boy I woke up this morning a little down because my husband is out of work and then I read about George and I realise how much worse things can be. I am counting my blessings right now.


Cupcakes, sorry that your husband is not working right now. It's a bad shape that we're in and I hope that it starts getting better immediately.

This whole thing reminds me of what my mother always says - I felt sorry that I had no shoes until I saw a man who had no feet.

Back in May, this family was on cloud nine. Cindy was happy at her job, her marriage was back on the right track and it seems that they do love each other so that was good. George was back working and had just got the job of his dreams, they had a granddaughter who was the light of their life, their son was working and on his own, and a daughter who was not perfect but they were happy with her. Then, boom, June comes and their life goes in a tailspin and their life gets hit with an atomic bomb.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Very off topic, but it will lighten the mood.

http://network.bestfriends.org/obamafamilydog/news/31697.html

[Amy]

In a previous meeting with Lee he told her that the reward was over 200,000 and she responded that that was like half her bail. (all paraphrased) I think she was thinking they had access to that money and simply chose to save it for, you know, saving Caylee rather than bailing her out.

Cindy was confused by what she was saying, because she had no means of providing bail, so she was mystified...and then the phone was dutifully handed to George...

I believe that is probably exactly what Casey was thinking. From her past actions, she has NO qualms absolutely about taking money that does not belong to her, so she sees NO reason why her parents should not use money earmarked for finding her baby--especially when she knows that money will never, ever be collected by anyone (because, IIRC, that money was a reward for a LIVE Caylee, and SHE knew Caylee would never be found alive.)

[Amy]

I didn't say anything about it being successful, or resulting in acquittals. CNN/Mike Galanos had on a legal panel Wed. afternoon. (no link to be found) They discussed and made the appeal comment, but more importantly, they brought up the ineffectual counsel question. I always felt that later on Casey would do something like this because of Baez's lack of experience. When they said 'it's more than likely' considering everything, it made my ears perk up for sure. I incredulously thought "could she do this?" He is in way over his head and they noted that.

That is just what I don't understand. There HAS to be some legality that prevents a person from being underrepresented (however you would say it) in a trial. The COST to taxpayers is outrageous, and to have to spend even more KNOWING they were most likely going to have to go to retrial is a travesty.

The woman in CA who burned her hubby in the desert I THINK was allowed a retrial based on ineffective counsel. I can't remember the guy's name, but there was a retrial for a man who's first choice for attorney WAS NOT ALLOWED for a technical reason, later to be found that that reason was not correct. Maybe they are afraid something like this would come up in appeal? That they disallowed Baez, and some ruling later would come along that would say he COULD have represented her?

It just gets so confusing. But if I were a taxpayer in FL I would be protesting that Baez would be allowed to be the lead attorney when the whole world knows he is NOT qualified, just his actions and words NOW, even people with NO knowledge of legal things can tell he is a sinking ship. IMO

[Amy]

yes that whole thing is too wierd for me Amy. hey I have been looking at other message boards and hearing wierd stuff about george. he went missing for a while and may have attempted suicide but is okay now. IMO this is not from me but you may want to look at InSessions. i need to go to sleep now. all turned over to all of you. if I knew your phone#'s or alarm clocks i would work on it. lOl miss you all

I tried to read yesterday's posts after work, but started feeling crappy and kept falling asleep. And waking up to read a smidge more. This am when I got up and turned on the tv, whatever HLN program was on said George was in a behaviorial science hospital. I remember him saying (when they had to move the kiosk the last time?) that he had contemplated suicide. I think @ the time that he knew Caylee was dead--mostly I think he knew it the minute he smelled the car. But NOW it is real, it is public, the whole world also knows for certain that Caylee is dead. His marriage wasn't "good" before this happened, he was on the outs w/his children, and I can see Lee standing by his mom. So, yep, I was not all surprised to hear this news. Just glad that someone was able to get to him before he did anything. I think he was HOPING someone would--what with sending texts and all that, giving someone the opportunity to get to him before he made the attempt.

[Amy]

All our neighbors are nosey and we love it!!!!!!!!

One of the ladies across the street one time told me she watches the activity @ my house, and hoped I had no problem that she would call police if she tho't it was necessary. I told her---whatever it takes. I would rather someone call police to prevent a problem, or if there was a problem, to nip it in the bud. I do believe there are other ladies who also have NO PROBLEM being watchful, and quite frankly, I appreciate it.

One call was that police were all over my yard. I hadn't heard from the school that the kids weren't in school, and after FINALLY convincing dispatch that I WOULD speak to the chief of police (we're a SMALL town) I found that dogs had destroyed the 3 litters of kittens under my porch. They were removing the bodies so my kids did not have to come home to a scene of mayhem.

[Amy]

You know, I think I just said my original comment incorrectly. 99% (actually he might have said 98%) of the cases Are Appealed...as hers will probably be.
Did I say that right now? Again, being successful or resulting in acquitals are a whole 'nuther thing.
Sorry if it made anyone confused...:shrug:

Nearly every case I follow, the attorney says they will appeal the decision. Or, in some cases, guilt is not the issue, they will appeal the sentence. I know in some states, maybe all, there is an automatic appeal with the death penalty. You really don't hear a lot about successful appeals, which I guess means most aren't. What I hear more about is after a criminal has lost ALL his appeals, there might be a blub about that, depending on the notoriety of the case.

Well, I had to skip a couple of pages, to get to where the news of George came up, and now I have to go to an appointment (hope it's short and sweet.) Don't you all go adding another dozen pages before I get back, cuz I'd sure like to read ALL the posts!!!!!

[Gatordog]

Yep, he's a sinking ship but more than that, he might be a lot more cunning than we know. He could be adding up details in this SNAFU to use later when he appeals. I noticed on NG that she stops people in mid sentence when they are about to hand Jose Baez something that would get his client off. She isn't always polite but I noticed she is very careful.

One thing though to keep in mind. Ol' Jose isn't a court appointed attorney. She picked him. It's on video that people have advised her to seek another attorney. She is choosing to stick by him and he is bringing in very suitable advisers and consultants. I think he is capable of handling this trial and not having any reversible errors due to incompetence.

[Gatordog]

Awww, so sad. :(

OT:

When I lived in Connecticut, I had a nice neighbor once who told me she saw the two guys that cut my screen, got into my house, took everything on my kitchen counters, including my car keys and drove off with my loaded car while my family was asleep. I asked her if she helped them in. "Did you give them a boost?"

Poppa is a firm believer in alarm systems these days. I don't even know my neighbors. Nobody interacts anymore. Where I was born in the Italian section of the city, when you sneezed, neighbors called to say "Gaabless you" Times have changed.

Dani

You are so right. I grew up in Brooklyn. We had people on the block which were always checking into everyone's business. We had "the mayor", "the governor", "the police chief" and "The Putana". http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) What I find so amusing about PeeWee the frog is loves to sit on the top of the sliding door and lean out like in his picture. He reminds me of all the old Italian ladies who lived on my street. When they weren't hanging perfectly white hand washed sheets out on the line, they were sitting at the window sill. They would put a pillow on the ledge and lean out all day, watching what was going on and who was doing what.

Gator

[browneyes106]

Yeah, she was great, I just listened again. She said the sociopath switches between love and hate, which explained how she could be so loving in the pictures (and why her friends thought she was a great mom I presume) and hate, where she could kill her child and put that sticker on saying "I heart you" and go on.

As for having their chance to get out, she had to have been talking about the reward for Caylee. Hey, what's a little embezzlement for Casey, maybe? And yeah, no way they haven't shown up for the reasons given. "Love" knows no caution. If they wanted to see her, they could just go say happy new year, gorgeous...
Too creepy.

I like that shrink she gives good analysis of Casey and the Anthonys. Is she also the same shrink that said Casey saw Caylee as a doll?

[shadydaisy]

Beem, I agree with you. The fact that Caylee was found about six weeks ago and has been in a cardboard box is more than horrible. G&C have had one blow after another and Cindy won't face the truth, George knows the truth and has to hide it from Cindy. It's the hiding and not being able to talk about it honestly that may have put George over the edge. You know, he said he had to be stong for his wife, but I find that it's the female of the species that is stronger emotionally. If they are able to give her a proper burial, sooner rather than later, I think that would be the beginning to recovery. I'm thinking another possibility, but it's too soon to say it, you will throw knives at me.

Gator

I think you and I are traveling together. We'll sit quietly and wait and see.

I heard that the trial may begin in April. A lot may happen between now and then.

I have nothing to base this on but I wouldn't be surprised if it's Cindy that's gone over the edge completely and is taking George with her.

[javahog]

Beem, I agree with you. The fact that Caylee was found about six weeks ago and has been in a cardboard box is more than horrible. G&C have had one blow after another and Cindy won't face the truth, George knows the truth and has to hide it from Cindy. It's the hiding and not being able to talk about it honestly that may have put George over the edge. You know, he said he had to be stong for his wife, but I find that it's the female of the species that is stronger emotionally. If they are able to give her a proper burial, sooner rather than later, I think that would be the beginning to recovery. I'm thinking another possibility, but it's too soon to say it, you will throw knives at me.

Gator

I'm glad they found George before he hurt himself. I hope they can help him have hope. The stress of being the only one dealing with the truth must have been incredible. He's been mourning the loss of both Caylee and who he thought Casey was...2 deaths, really, and no future now in Caylee...

[samanthajane13]

HOLY CARP!!!

I was watching the news last night, and found out that there's a Buffalo connection to this whole debacle.

To make it even More interesting, there's a CL Message Board connection, too!!!

Read on, then I'll connect the dots for ya!!!

Connection to Anthony
investigation
Web site operator Sean Krause
interviewed
Last Edited: Thursday, 22 Jan 2009, 11:41 PM EST
Created On: Thursday, 22 Jan 2009, 11:41 PM EST

Rob Macko
NORTH TONAWANDA, N.Y. (WIVB) - It's a murder case that people across the country are following very closely. News 4 has learned there is a local connection to the investigation into who killed two-year-old Caylee Anthony near Orlando, Florida.

North Tonawanda web site operator Sean Krause was interviewed by Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel Thursday night about his role in the Caylee Anthony case.

"What did Cindy tell you about whether or not she was suspicious of her daughter or not?"

"Well it took a while for her to warm up, because she doesn't trust people. That's the thing with her."

Krause began writing about the case last year, and struck up a relationship with Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony by phone, e-mail, and text message.

Police investigators from Florida later interviewed Krause about something Cindy Anthony allegedly told him about her daughter Casey.

Krause said, "She had stated that she had felt that Casey had something to do with

Caylee's disappearance and I asked her to elaborate and she wouldn't comment on it further."

Casey Anthony is charged with her daughter's murder.

Caylee's remains were found last month in a garbage bag in some woods near her grandparent's home.

Prosecutors say her mouth and head were covered with duct tape, and her body was placed in a laundry bag.

She'd been missing since June, but Casey didn't report the disappearance for another month.

Krause says Cindy Anthony stopped talking to him once he talked to the cops and because she didn't like what he was writing about Casey.

Question: Do you think Casey killed her daughter?

Krause said, "I do. And it's very evident."

Krause calls Casey Anthony a manipulative sociopath, and doesn't sugar coat his feelings.

Krause said, "I hope that she sits there and rots in prison for the rest of her life with little pictures of Caylee all over her cell."

Krause says he's not sure if his cooperation will help the investigation or not.

He was on Fox News Channel for about six minutes Thursday night and says this was his first national television appearance.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/connection_to_anthony_investigation_090122


Okay-first of all, there's Sean. His website is the notorious TheDailyBS.com, where he's been tearing Cindy, George and Casey a new one since this whole fiasco began...it's an interesting site, and Sean has some interesting views.

http://thedailybs.com/news/

He's a GREAT RESEARCHER, which brings me to our CL Message Boards connection.

Sean comes by his investigative skills through an interesting link.

Our good friend...








Drum-roll, please....






DAVID LOHR!!!

David is Sean's UNCLE!!!!

I damn near wet my pants watching the news cast and connecting those dots.

The only part I REALLY wasn't aware of was the fact that Sean is basically my neighbor!!!

He's about a 20 minute drive from my house!!!

[javahog]

Awww, so sad. :(

OT:

When I lived in Connecticut, I had a nice neighbor once who told me she saw the two guys that cut my screen, got into my house, took everything on my kitchen counters, including my car keys and drove off with my loaded car while my family was asleep. I asked her if she helped them in. "Did you give them a boost?"

Poppa is a firm believer in alarm systems these days. I don't even know my neighbors. Nobody interacts anymore. Where I was born in the Italian section of the city, when you sneezed, neighbors called to say "Gaabless you" Times have changed.

OT too: our neighborhood was a lot like that, built in 1939 and a lot of the original owners were still here a few years ago. But as they've been passing on and younger families like ours moving in, its a lot more isolated and no "watch dogs" like good old Gordon the bored retired cop...I miss the true neighborhood watch...

Now, my alarm system is Ollie the huge loud dog. Darn effective-I've seen suspicious characters scuttle down my stairs after he noted their presence...

[Mojo]

Ya know, I had that thought too. I remember her laughing at Cindy's tears. My knees go weak when I see a stranger cry. This is a serious case study of Sociopath disorder, isn't it? The poor man is lost. He needs the voice of reason real bad. I hope he finds it. I'm wondering if he was taking antidepressants.

Poppa just came downstairs and I told him about George. His reply: "See what that dirty little b!tch is doing to that family?"

I agree with Poppa. You'd hope she would learn of this and it finally sink into her head what she is doing to her family. You'd think any normal person would say enough is enough, just confess so this whole mess can end and my family can have some sort of closure and try to move on. Knowing the Liar that won't happen. She'll probably send a message to her poor dad that she hates Zanny for doing this to all of them. This is so so sad. I cannot say that this is shocking. I can not image what being in that situation is like. It's bad enough on it's own but with the massive media attention on top of it, it just adds to the pain and stress. :(

[shadydaisy]

One thing though to keep in mind. Ol' Jose isn't a court appointed attorney. She picked him. It's on video that people have advised her to seek another attorney. She is choosing to stick by him and he is bringing in very suitable advisers and consultants. I think he is capable of handling this trial and not having any reversible errors due to incompetence.

Legally she can. It doesn't matter if she picked him, said he was the greatest attorney ever, or that she was advised to get someone else. She can still claim he represented her incompetently and it would have to be reviewed. Baez has done a lot of questionable things which could, possibly, substantiate a claim that she had incompetent counsel. She can claim, if things don't go the way she hopes (who knows what she a Baez have dreamed up) that Baez didn't tell her/inform her that she could have plead guilty to a lesser charge, etc.

In other words, even is she made a bad decision by picking him, it's still not her fault if he is incompetent. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened. And you know nothing is ever Casey's fault.

[javahog]

I like that shrink she gives good analysis of Casey and the Anthonys. Is she also the same shrink that said Casey saw Caylee as a doll?

Yeah, I think it was her. That made so much sense...I also think it explains why Caylee's doll wasn't left with her. The doll was lower maintenance so she could stay in the car. I also think of how serial killers keep something of their victims, but that's kind of too creepy so I stop thinking about that...

[browneyes106]

I just read about happened with George. I do feel sorry for him. He always seemed to more likeable person than Cindy. I have a theory that George has probably been in a sort of mentally abusive relationship with Cindy. A lot of the stuff Cindy's brother has told the media seems to point that Cindy is a materialistic control freak. I think maybe George is being haunted by what was happened to his family while he is also being haunted by the fact that he used to a homicide detective and he helped bring justice to other people but he failed to bring justice for his granddaughter. Justice will be served for Caylee but Cindy and George could have helped months ago.

[javahog]

Good morning, my friend! Got home late last night, started reading posts, and by then it was 3:30 or so but I had to answer FD's post. This AM I woke with a mutha of a headache ~ 2 cups of cawffee aren't helping, I think I need an Advil and a short nap! Love red wine, but 2 glasses does that to me now that I'm old as dirt, LOL unless it was from lack of sleep too (3 hours).

I will answer the PM :) to you, and then you can play like me in your posts!

Brad is C & G's atty. They were supposed to meet around 4 yesterday, he didn't show, and by 6, they called LE. Jeez, the guy was gone all day, sent the family friggen suicide texts ~ what do they think he was doing all day....fishin????!!! I understand Cindy is wrapped up in her own grief, but this is the time to lean on each other...I wish them peace in their hearts, but with this recent info of documents, it's time to hang on tight ~ to each other.

ME http://i39.tinypic.com/4jkkt2.jpg

He probably saw those e-mails between Cindy's family where they totally trashed him per information she gave them. Talk about a sense of betrayal. Who does he have to turn to now? What a nightmare that house must be.

They need help so bad.

[browneyes106]

Yeah, I think it was her. That made so much sense...I also think it explains why Caylee's doll wasn't left with her. The doll was lower maintenance so she could stay in the car. I also think of how serial killers keep something of their victims, but that's kind of too creepy so I stop thinking about that...

I agree it is pretty common for killers or criminals to keep items that belonged to their victims. My uncle is a police officer who worked mostly in rape and abuse cases. He said that years ago there was a rapist who raped three women and when they did searches of his apartment they found three items of clothes and jewelry that belonged to his vicims.

[javahog]

I agree with Poppa. You'd hope she would learn of this and it finally sink into her head what she is doing to her family. You'd think any normal person would say enough is enough, just confess so this whole mess can end and my family can have some sort of closure and try to move on. Knowing the Liar that won't happen. She'll probably send a message to her poor dad that she hates Zanny for doing this to all of them. This is so so sad. I cannot say that this is shocking. I can not image what being in that situation is like. It's bad enough on it's own but with the massive media attention on top of it, it just adds to the pain and stress. :(

"Dad, what did you do this distracting act for? You know, it just takes the attention off of me, and I need to be seen as a victim. Do you even comprehend my situation here? This is beyond frustrating! I ate more cole slaw today."

[browneyes106]

Legally she can. It doesn't matter if she picked him, said he was the greatest attorney ever, or that she was advised to get someone else. She can still claim he represented her incompetently and it would have to be reviewed. Baez has done a lot of questionable things which could, possibly, substantiate a claim that she had incompetent counsel. She can claim, if things don't go the way she hopes (who knows what she a Baez have dreamed up) that Baez didn't tell her/inform her that she could have plead guilty to a lesser charge, etc.

In other words, even is she made a bad decision by picking him, it's still not her fault if he is incompetent. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened. And you know nothing is ever Casey's fault.

She will probably do that. Casey will be convicted. I think Baez and Badan will look stupid in trial because there is too much forsenic evidence and proof of Casey's lies. If the try to keep spinning the Zanny the nanny story they will look like the biggest moron lawyers in the world. Once Casey is convicted I don't see Baez sticking around to appeal the decision. He will move on from the case. I predict he will probably continue practicing law but he will end up staying away from murder cases. I recently read an article about the lawyers of Diane Zamora and David Graham and both lawyers pretty much only defend non-murder cases. Badan will probably move onto the next high profile murder case.

[Gatordog]

I'm glad they found George before he hurt himself. I hope they can help him have hope. The stress of being the only one dealing with the truth must have been incredible. He's been mourning the loss of both Caylee and who he thought Casey was...2 deaths, really, and no future now in Caylee...

Not to mention that he had to testify at the Grand Jury hearing and would probably have to testify again during the trial.

Gator

[Gatordog]

"Dad, what did you do this distracting act for? You know, it just takes the attention off of me, and I need to be seen as a victim. Do you even comprehend my situation here? This is beyond frustrating! I ate more cole slaw today."

Hey Java, not when I'm drinking my cawffee. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I just had to laugh at that coleslaw. We should take up a collection and send 1,000 lbs of coleslaw to the jail for the Liar not to mention some rotten balogna.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Legally she can. It doesn't matter if she picked him, said he was the greatest attorney ever, or that she was advised to get someone else. She can still claim he represented her incompetently and it would have to be reviewed. Baez has done a lot of questionable things which could, possibly, substantiate a claim that she had incompetent counsel. She can claim, if things don't go the way she hopes (who knows what she a Baez have dreamed up) that Baez didn't tell her/inform her that she could have plead guilty to a lesser charge, etc.

In other words, even is she made a bad decision by picking him, it's still not her fault if he is incompetent. Wouldn't be the first time this has happened. And you know nothing is ever Casey's fault.

Oh sure legally she can and probably would throw him under the bus in a NY minute. But would the Supreme Court find error? The only thing I can see is exactly what you mentioned - if he didn't encourage her to make a plea deal.

Gator

[javahog]

Hey Java, not when I'm drinking my cawffee. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing017.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I just had to laugh at that coleslaw. We should take up a collection and send 1,000 lbs of coleslaw to the jail for the Liar not to mention some rotten balogna.

Gator

Jose Baez provides all the rotten bologna I need!

[joekuhl79]

The reason I tho't it might be a different bag (after hearing the comments on NG, and probably after reading Sharlock @ the time) was because of the different colors. One can visualize a BLACK bag fading to grey (maybe even white if left out long enough, but that would be a LONG stretch) after being exposed to sun, heat, the elements. BUT, it would NOT make sense for a grey bag (and especially a white one) to change to BLACK after such exposure.

Definitely different bags...I'm pretty sure plastic garbage bags do not fade from black to gray to white, no matter how long they are exposed.

[Gatordog]

George wants to be with Caylee.

Duct tape was on one of the gas cans taken from house in August.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

[joekuhl79]

jose baez provides all the rotten bologna i need!

lol!

[One2Snoop]

George wants to be with Caylee.

Duct tape was on one of the gas cans taken from house in August.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

:eek: WOW!

[shadydaisy]

Oh sure legally she can and probably would throw him under the bus in a NY minute. But would the Supreme Court find error? The only thing I can see is exactly what you mentioned - if he didn't encourage her to make a plea deal.

Gator

So many strange things have happened during this case so far and we have not even gotten to the trial. If something does come of Baez's involvement with media outlets, movie deals or anything similar, it could certainly be argued that he was acting in his best interest, not hers.

It's been such a shady mess since day one. It will probably end the same way.

[joekuhl79]

George wants to be with Caylee.

Duct tape was on one of the gas cans taken from house in August.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html


With all this evidence clearly showing who is responsible for Caylees death (and I'm sure they have fingerprints on that duct tape! That's as close to a smoking gun this case is going to see!) wouldn't it be awesome, and provide leverage/incentive for Liar to *tell the truth*(I know, foreign concept for her) to get the death penalty back on the table for her?!

[Mojo]

"Dad, what did you do this distracting act for? You know, it just takes the attention off of me, and I need to be seen as a victim. Do you even comprehend my situation here? This is beyond frustrating! I ate more cole slaw today."

Sad as it is, that's probably exactly what she's thinking. I hope that b*tch suffers as much as she's making her family suffer.

[samanthajane13]

For those who don't know, George tried to commit suicide, and is being hospitalized under the Baker Act.

I'm posting what I can find in the News updates.


Poor man...I feel so bad for him.

[One2Snoop]

For those who don't know, George tried to commit suicide, and is being hospitalized under the Baker Act.

I'm posting what I can find in the News updates.


Poor man...I feel so bad for him.

Thanks for helping with the updates SJ - I've been dealing with a personal situation here at home and haven't had time to keep up.

Thanks also - I knew about Sean/David Lohr. I miss David's input and stories here at CL - he works for Investigation Discovery now. :seeya:

[samanthajane13]

"Thanks for helping with the updates SJ - I've been dealing with a personal situation here at home and haven't had time to keep up."

No problem, sweetie!! I hope everything is okay, and if it isn't, that it all rectifies itself...PM me if you need someone to talk to.

"Thanks also - I knew about Sean/David Lohr. I miss David's input and stories here at CL - he works for Investigation Discovery now."

Yup-I found out about Sean and David being related about a month ago-from The Daily BS site. And I know David is on ID-I read his stuff almost daily.

I miss him being here with us, too.

But I didn't know that Sean was from the Buffalo area...

Remember-if you need to talk...you know how to get me.

[Gatordog]

George has known all along that Caylee wasn't with us any longer. He probably convinced himself that it was an accident and the Liar panicked and fabricated this whole story as a cover up. Well, with the latest developments of duct tape and the heart on the tape, it proves it was not an accident.

It seems to me what he did was a cry for help and that he wouldn't follow through with suicide. I'm wondering if this will leave the proscecution in the hole. What I was thinking in a little corner of my mind, was could he have done this in order to get out of testifying in court against his daughter? The only reason I thought that it might not be a true suicide attempt was that when I saw him, he looked clean and perfectly fine. Meaning that his weight was good and his hair was perfect. People I know who have been despondent, let themselves go. It's hard to get out of bed to brush your teeth, to shower, they lose weight and their hair is not styled. In this case 2+2 is not coming out to 4 for me. But then, nothing at all in this case does. Now I am absolutely positive that he is in a very bad state and that he probably does wish he would die, but I don't think he was going to go through with it and I think the thought of having to testify again is just too much for him. Okay, blast me.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks for helping with the updates SJ - I've been dealing with a personal situation here at home and haven't had time to keep up.

Thanks also - I knew about Sean/David Lohr. I miss David's input and stories here at CL - he works for Investigation Discovery now. :seeya:

O2S, I hope all is well. I'm wishing you all the best.

Gator

[javahog]

George has known all along that Caylee wasn't with us any longer. He probably convinced himself that it was an accident and the Liar panicked and fabricated this whole story as a cover up. Well, with the latest developments of duct tape and the heart on the tape, it proves it was not an accident.

It seems to me what he did was a cry for help and that he wouldn't follow through with suicide. I'm wondering if this will leave the proscecution in the hole. What I was thinking in a little corner of my mind, was could he have done this in order to get out of testifying in court against his daughter? The only reason I thought that it might not be a true suicide attempt was that when I saw him, he looked clean and perfectly fine. Meaning that his weight was good and his hair was perfect. People I know who have been despondent, let themselves go. It's hard to get out of bed to brush your teeth, to shower, they lose weight and their hair is not styled. In this case 2+2 is not coming out to 4 for me. But then, nothing at all in this case does. Now I am absolutely positive that he is in a very bad state and that he probably does wish he would die, but I don't think he was going to go through with it and I think the thought of having to testify again is just too much for him. Okay, blast me.

Gator

Gator

No blasting. I don't doubt he is so miserable that he wants to "be with Caylee", but deep down he knows it would really solve nothing. This was the equivalent of a teenager "cutting", I think. He must be so relieved to be in a hospital room and out of the crucible of that house. And ita, as LE he knows exactly what the evidence and "decoration" mean. I'm sure the Casey he thought he knew died with Caylee.

I wonder if the family is why SA hasn't put DP back on the table. How could you testify and then live the rest of your life wondering if something you said killed your child, no matter what they did?

[javahog]

I may be wrong:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18546075/detail.html

Can anyone make sense of any of this?

[samanthajane13]

"The only reason I thought that it might not be a true suicide attempt was that when I saw him, he looked clean and perfectly fine. Meaning that his weight was good and his hair was perfect. People I know who have been despondent, let themselves go. It's hard to get out of bed to brush your teeth, to shower, they lose weight and their hair is not styled. In this case 2+2 is not coming out to 4 for me. But then, nothing at all in this case does. Now I am absolutely positive that he is in a very bad state and that he probably does wish he would die, but I don't think he was going to go through with it and I think the thought of having to testify again is just too much for him. Okay, blast me."

Not gonna blast you, Gator!

BUT-it's not always the way it seems with depression and suicide.

Yeah-it IS hard to cope, but from personal experience, I never go around looking/smelling like a bag-lady when I'm bottoming out.

And I actually GAIN weight, because I'm a depressive eater.

And then I SLEEP FOREVER, and don't do too much that could burn the calories.

It's gotten to the point where my Dr. ALWAYS checks my weight and asks how things are going, because if I'm packing the pounds on, it's a pretty good bet that I'm heading for a bummer, and she puts me back on my meds or adjusts them.

I actually DROP weight when I'm doing well.

I'm just saying that you can't always tell, from outward appearances, if someone is depressed or suicidal.

I just hope George is still about to testify without it effecting his health...

[Gatordog]

Jose Baez inteview

http://www.wftv.com/video/18548561/index.html

[Justice Denied?]

I don't know for sure loretta but I don't think adopting Caylee was the answer to keeping her safe. First off, I believe Casey was over the top jealous of Caylee, so Cindy's request to adopt her would have infuriated Casey and made her eyes spill green all over her shirt. In fact, IMO it may have gotten Caylee killed sooner. Legal properness and doing the right thing was morphed in the Anthony family by a sociopath with a thousand agenda's. Everything was negotiable in the parenting arena there. The fundamental and superficial needs were met, not much else. (As you pointed out yesterday) Nice furniture does not make a house safe for children.

Speaking of furniture, someone said the bedding on Caylee's bed was blue on NG and pink in the pictures we were looking at. Last night, I noticed that the bed on NG is a convert-a crib that changes from a crib to a todler bed. The one we are looking at on here looks like a youth or twin bed. Maybe Caylee had the crib type one at an earlier time and outgrew it??:shrug:

[Gatordog]

"The only reason I thought that it might not be a true suicide attempt was that when I saw him, he looked clean and perfectly fine. Meaning that his weight was good and his hair was perfect. People I know who have been despondent, let themselves go. It's hard to get out of bed to brush your teeth, to shower, they lose weight and their hair is not styled. In this case 2+2 is not coming out to 4 for me. But then, nothing at all in this case does. Now I am absolutely positive that he is in a very bad state and that he probably does wish he would die, but I don't think he was going to go through with it and I think the thought of having to testify again is just too much for him. Okay, blast me."

Not gonna blast you, Gator!

BUT-it's not always the way it seems with depression and suicide.

Yeah-it IS hard to cope, but from personal experience, I never go around looking/smelling like a bag-lady when I'm bottoming out.

And I actually GAIN weight, because I'm a depressive eater.

And then I SLEEP FOREVER, and don't do too much that could burn the calories.

It's gotten to the point where my Dr. ALWAYS checks my weight and asks how things are going, because if I'm packing the pounds on, it's a pretty good bet that I'm heading for a bummer, and she puts me back on my meds or adjusts them.

I actually DROP weight when I'm doing well.

I'm just saying that you can't always tell, from outward appearances, if someone is depressed or suicidal.

I just hope George is still about to testify without it effecting his health...

But there is a change. In every instance where someone I knew of was having suicidal thoughts or severe depression, looking back there was a difference in appearance. Whether it's losing weight or gaining weight, there's a change. Not shaving or having hair styled is another. Not getting out of bed or not being able to sleep, not putting on makeup. There are always hints along the way.

Gator

[samanthajane13]

Yes, Gator, you are right about the changes.

I guess what I mean is, if you don't really know George personally, and only met him the one time, how would you be able to judge if he was showing some kind of dramatic change?

We see what they show us on TV, and you saw the Anthonys at one of the meetings, but we don't know what's been happening behind the scenes.

Only this family, close friends and associates would be able to tell if he'd undergone some kind if depressive change, and in light of the circumstances, it would be NUTS if he DIDN'T change to some extent.

But how much change it enough to make the alarms go off to signal that he's in emotional trouble???

[javahog]

I may be wrong:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18546075/detail.html

Can anyone make sense of any of this?

I'm gonna answer myself!

Until I see more confirmation of the contents of the note, I find it hard to believe that investigators in LE would be yacking about the contents of a suicide note. If anyone sees more confirmation, let me know, please?

[javahog]

I believe he was calling for help. The part that makes no sense is, that he stated that he doesn't believe Casey hurt Caylee and implicated her friends. If he really believed that, why would be want to die?

I could see it even if he thought she was innocent...he is trapped in that home, the neighbors have webcams trained on it 24/7, I'll bet they are reading stuff like this on the internet, their granddaughter's dump site is basically in eyeshot of the backyard, his daughter is mean and in the clink...it could be a stress reaction from the horrible pressure.

Like I said, it would be odd though if the investigators released the contents of the note. Wouldn't they be liable if the additional pressure made someone follow through or something. I don't remember when the contents of a suicide note were last released in the heat of the moment...

[Gatordog]

Speaking of furniture, someone said the bedding on Caylee's bed was blue on NG and pink in the pictures we were looking at. Last night, I noticed that the bed on NG is a convert-a crib that changes from a crib to a todler bed. The one we are looking at on here looks like a youth or twin bed. Maybe Caylee had the crib type one at an earlier time and outgrew it??:shrug:

I thought that the colors looked very different. Very pink in picture and blue on television. I didn't know if perhaps they were different Winnie sets.

[Gatordog]

I believe he was calling for help. The part that makes no sense is, that he stated that he doesn't believe Casey hurt Caylee and implicated her friends. If he really believed that, why would be want to die?

It was an eight page letter. Perhaps he thought the letter would help the Liar in her trial as some sort of evidence that Baez could use to impeach him if he has to testify. You know, once again they're making excuses for her and blaming innocent people. :flamemad:

Just when you think you've heard it all, something else happens.

Reminds me of Michael Corleone - "Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in!" My brother's favorite line is from GF 1 - "Drop the gun and take the cannoli".

Gator

[javahog]

Here's the 911 call reporting george missing if you want to hear it:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8302032&version=1&locale=EN-US

He took several bottles of medication and photographs with him. (I thought LE confiscated all the photos in the home in a search...did they return copies?)

[Gatordog]

Chief Chitwood of Daytona Beach (really good guy!)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546286/index.html

[Justice Denied?]

This really breaks my heart. I feel so bad for him. I always felt he was the most sentitive one in the family and I also thought he was pretty sure what happened to Caylee and he was just hanging on to a hope that maybe she was still alive. The Liar has destroyed this family.

I think the picture of the Liar in the crown says it all. She wanted to be the Queen and the center of the world and then Caylee was born that she became the center of the world to George and Cindy and that sent the Liar over the edge. It is like the wicked step mother in Snow White.

For George:rose: I hope medical professional can help him to get a grip. I can only imagine how he must feel. His world has ended in the most atrocious way. He has to face, his daughter killed his grand daughter who he loved with all his heart and wanted to protect from all harm and evil in the world but he could not save her from his own daughter, her mother. He is living in a hell he wants to get out of. Boy I woke up this morning a little down because my husband is out of work and then I read about George and I realise how much worse things can be. I am counting my blessings right now.

I also am counting my blessings today. Sorry about your husband being out of work. Will pray for your family.:rose:

[Gatordog]

I'm gonna answer myself!

Until I see more confirmation of the contents of the note, I find it hard to believe that investigators in LE would be yacking about the contents of a suicide note. If anyone sees more confirmation, let me know, please?

Do we know who is Yacking? Could it be a leak from Good Ol Jose? I could very well see someone from his office leaking that info to make the Liar look better.

I will keep checking and if there's any news, I'll let you know. Although a lot of people here are pretty quick and see it as soon as they are posted.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Whatcha thinking Gator? We would never throw knives at you...pasta maybe, and that would be so you could mangia! We love you tooooooooo much!

I read the news on G a little while ago, and I got this big lump in my throat. Casey is leaving a lot of people in her wake, isn't she? G especially has been publicly humiliated by Shirley and LouBea's emails ~ saying he's been living off Cindy, he's worthless, a moron etc. Then the knowledge of what kind of life Casey really led outside the home, told by Lee to him, her pregnancy, the lies and the disappearance of Caylee, the evidence of Casey's involvement, finding Caylee's decomposed body, the recent evidence, and oh, did I say the lies? (run on...sorry) Then, knowing he was playing a role for Cindy's benefit, all the while KNOWING IT WAS ALL TOO TRUE.

He is a broken shell of a man. I would like to know how Casey reacted to this, and why Cindy waited with Brad until 6 to call LE when the man had been gone since the AM. Thank God he didn't have the tools to go through with it. Always said he was the most sensitive one. I couldn't care less what Lee thinks.
Prayers for G :rose:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Si chi ude porta, si apre un portone.......'Sometimes in life, you just gotta keep looking forward'

One of the news articles posted here said that there have been no family visitors to George. Wonder if there is trouble in the camp there?

[javahog]

This really breaks my heart. I feel so bad for him. I always felt he was the most sentitive one in the family and I also thought he was pretty sure what happened to Caylee and he was just hanging on to a hope that maybe she was still alive. The Liar has destroyed this family.

I think the picture of the Liar in the crown says it all. She wanted to be the Queen and the center of the world and then Caylee was born that she became the center of the world to George and Cindy and that sent the Liar over the edge. It is like the wicked step mother in Snow White.

For George:rose: I hope medical professional can help him to get a grip. I can only imagine how he must feel. His world has ended in the most atrocious way. He has to face, his daughter killed his grand daughter who he loved with all his heart and wanted to protect from all harm and evil in the world but he could not save her from his own daughter, her mother. He is living in a hell he wants to get out of. Boy I woke up this morning a little down because my husband is out of work and then I read about George and I realise how much worse things can be. I am counting my blessings right now.

I'm sorry your hubby is out of work. The times, they are bad. Wishing you the best!

[javahog]

True, true, it was a stupid question on my part. I guess I was thinking, if he really did believe Casey was innocent, that there was some hope for him. But, I do know he has plenty of reasons to want to check out even if Casey was innocent. And, knowing Ms Liar, I do not think she is going to like that fact that George allegedly said in a suicide note, that he wanted to be with Caylee.

Ahhh see that Liar? They love her more even in her death! Eat that with your coleslaw ya rotten monster!

Ah, not verbalized but clear...I would rather be cold in the ground with Caylee than walking in the Florida sunshine with you! Yeah, that would bite.

[javahog]

Do we know who is Yacking? Could it be a leak from Good Ol Jose? I could very well see someone from his office leaking that info to make the Liar look better.

I will keep checking and if there's any news, I'll let you know. Although a lot of people here are pretty quick and see it as soon as they are posted.

Gator

Check this out:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-george-anthony-caylee-012309,0,7934495.story

CA thinks funeral prep might have pushed him over the edge, she asked him to pick out "jewelery" for Caylee. And he texted that he wanted to make "sure" Caylee was in God's arms. In denial or not, I feel bad for him...what a living nightmare. What a horror.

[SaraSidle]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html

I don't know what's happening in the Anthony home but I'd wager it is a very painful place to be. Very sad. I'm sure this latest report about the heart sticker on the duct tape knocked him down badly. There is no relief, no way out of this for them except the denial/hope that it isn't happening.

Sigh....

did me Danagher. even with all the murders I have read about and seen on tv. DH will not even let me talk about it anymore since it is so depressing.

[javahog]

You know, thinking about picking out the jewelry...There's no dressing Caylee up, no making her pretty, there's only bones. But I can see how a grandmother would not think that way...maybe the funeral IS being held up because it makes it real.

[SaraSidle]

This really breaks my heart. I feel so bad for him. I always felt he was the most sentitive one in the family and I also thought he was pretty sure what happened to Caylee and he was just hanging on to a hope that maybe she was still alive. The Liar has destroyed this family.

I think the picture of the Liar in the crown says it all. She wanted to be the Queen and the center of the world and then Caylee was born that she became the center of the world to George and Cindy and that sent the Liar over the edge. It is like the wicked step mother in Snow White.

For George:rose: I hope medical professional can help him to get a grip. I can only imagine how he must feel. His world has ended in the most atrocious way. He has to face, his daughter killed his grand daughter who he loved with all his heart and wanted to protect from all harm and evil in the world but he could not save her from his own daughter, her mother. He is living in a hell he wants to get out of. Boy I woke up this morning a little down because my husband is out of work and then I read about George and I realise how much worse things can be. I am counting my blessings right now.


I am sorry about your husband. I lost my job 2 1/2 years ago and I was the bread winner of the family. as you said this story makes me feel like I have it good in comparison. times are so bad right now but they always get better for most of us. Just not C and G ever

[lorettalockhorn]

so shameful beem. but i am sure whatever the loretta woman did was good . she is a very smart southern woman we could learn from. Happy birthday Leroy

Thanks for the birthday greetings and compliment!

My Little Love came in late last night, so I'm trying to do some catching up. Sad about George; he has been publicly castrated by the emails and must be feeling tremendous guilt over the failures of this family, being caught between Cindy and Casey, the loss of Caylee, and the inability to be able to grieve whether because of the media, or because Caylee's remains cannot be released for WTF reason. I could not live my boring life in the limelight, let alone a tragedy.

[javahog]

Brad Conway presser:

He's thanking LE for saving Lee. The situation is "nothing less than hell". Then Conways voice broke and he had to take a break...

[javahog]

I missed that. Jewelry? I thought I heard that Baez is holding up the funeral for further testing. Another thing is, LE promised not to interrogate the Anthony's any further until after the services for Caylee were over.

I guess Cindy is getting ready anyway. In the article above: She asked George to help pick out jewelry for the funeral...and he got more depressed after that. I guess what is cathartic for some is devastating for others...

[Gatordog]

One of the news articles posted here said that there have been no family visitors to George. Wonder if there is trouble in the camp there?

Could be that Cindy is in no shape to leave the house. Maybe George requested no visitors.

[lorettalockhorn]

This really breaks my heart. I feel so bad for him. I always felt he was the most sentitive one in the family and I also thought he was pretty sure what happened to Caylee and he was just hanging on to a hope that maybe she was still alive. The Liar has destroyed this family.

I think the picture of the Liar in the crown says it all. She wanted to be the Queen and the center of the world and then Caylee was born that she became the center of the world to George and Cindy and that sent the Liar over the edge. It is like the wicked step mother in Snow White.

For George:rose: I hope medical professional can help him to get a grip. I can only imagine how he must feel. His world has ended in the most atrocious way. He has to face, his daughter killed his grand daughter who he loved with all his heart and wanted to protect from all harm and evil in the world but he could not save her from his own daughter, her mother. He is living in a hell he wants to get out of. Boy I woke up this morning a little down because my husband is out of work and then I read about George and I realise how much worse things can be. I am counting my blessings right now.

Cupcake, best of luck to your family and the hub's job search. Godspeed

If there is one thing only that I've learned from reading true crime, it's to count my blessings twice. Developed that philosophy when I was a single mother to one of the best kids ever!

[lorettalockhorn]

I believe that is probably exactly what Casey was thinking. From her past actions, she has NO qualms absolutely about taking money that does not belong to her, so she sees NO reason why her parents should not use money earmarked for finding her baby--especially when she knows that money will never, ever be collected by anyone (because, IIRC, that money was a reward for a LIVE Caylee, and SHE knew Caylee would never be found alive.)

Excellent point. That is probably exactly how her mind works.

PS Hope you're feeling better!

[Gatordog]

Check this out:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-george-anthony-caylee-012309,0,7934495.story

CA thinks funeral prep might have pushed him over the edge, she asked him to pick out "jewelery" for Caylee. And he texted that he wanted to make "sure" Caylee was in God's arms. In denial or not, I feel bad for him...what a living nightmare. What a horror.

Jewelry? What are they going to put it on? I'd go over the edge too if I were him. Jewelry? Maybe he wanted to be the one to bring her over to God with him. Who knows?

They made the statement that they were concerned that photos would be taken of the remains of Caylee and sold so they were contemplating cremation. Only one person I can think of who would do such a horrendous thing as sell pictures of Caylee's bones. She's sitting in jail right now. I am sure that a thought like that would make a person contemplate suicide. Remember when George was talking to the police. He could not think of someone that he gave life to, nurtured and loved could be such a monster. It has only gotten worse since that day.

I truly feel sorry for that family. Whatever they did or did not do, they do not deserve this.

Gator

[javahog]

Jewelry? What are they going to put it on? I'd go over the edge too if I were him. Jewelry? Maybe he wanted to be the one to bring her over to God with him. Who knows?

They made the statement that they were concerned that photos would be taken of the remains of Caylee and sold so they were contemplating cremation. Only one person I can think of who would do such a horrendous thing as sell pictures of Caylee's bones. She's sitting in jail right now. I am sure that a thought like that would make a person contemplate suicide. Remember when George was talking to the police. He could not think of someone that he gave life to, nurtured and loved could be such a monster. It has only gotten worse since that day.

I truly feel sorry for that family. Whatever they did or did not do, they do not deserve this.

Gator

Maybe she had a costume jewelry collection and they want to put some of her favorites with her in the coffin?

[javahog]

WOW! Did you see the body language on Brad? He said, "Right now Casey is presumed innocent" and she will be judged by a jury of her peers, not us!" as he shook his head from side to side.

I noticed he was short of air. Maybe he has asthma?

He actually had to stop the presser earlier because his voice was cracking so bad, he was choking I think, said he needed water and stopped the presser.

[SaraSidle]

One of the ladies across the street one time told me she watches the activity @ my house, and hoped I had no problem that she would call police if she tho't it was necessary. I told her---whatever it takes. I would rather someone call police to prevent a problem, or if there was a problem, to nip it in the bud. I do believe there are other ladies who also have NO PROBLEM being watchful, and quite frankly, I appreciate it.

One call was that police were all over my yard. I hadn't heard from the school that the kids weren't in school, and after FINALLY convincing dispatch that I WOULD speak to the chief of police (we're a SMALL town) I found that dogs had destroyed the 3 litters of kittens under my porch. They were removing the bodies so my kids did not have to come home to a scene of mayhem.

Oh Amy that is so awful about the kittens but great about the police helping. our town is small too. I will never forget when some friends came over and the people across the street who were recent neighbors almost called the police cause I was not at home. the people who came over were 2 friends of mine that were nuns not in habits. LOL and the neighbors are Catholics.

[lorettalockhorn]

One thing though to keep in mind. Ol' Jose isn't a court appointed attorney. She picked him. It's on video that people have advised her to seek another attorney. She is choosing to stick by him and he is bringing in very suitable advisers and consultants. I think he is capable of handling this trial and not having any reversible errors due to incompetence.

Agree. The Dream Team makeup will prevent this case from being appealed due to incompetence. If Casey is found guilty, surely there will be a request for an appeal; whether or not there will be grounds will depend on the trial. If the death penalty is applied, the appeal will be automatic.

[lorettalockhorn]

HOLY CARP!!!

I was watching the news last night, and found out that there's a Buffalo connection to this whole debacle.

To make it even More interesting, there's a CL Message Board connection, too!!!

Read on, then I'll connect the dots for ya!!!

Connection to Anthony
investigation
Web site operator Sean Krause
interviewed
Last Edited: Thursday, 22 Jan 2009, 11:41 PM EST
Created On: Thursday, 22 Jan 2009, 11:41 PM EST

Rob Macko
NORTH TONAWANDA, N.Y. (WIVB) - It's a murder case that people across the country are following very closely. News 4 has learned there is a local connection to the investigation into who killed two-year-old Caylee Anthony near Orlando, Florida.

North Tonawanda web site operator Sean Krause was interviewed by Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel Thursday night about his role in the Caylee Anthony case.

"What did Cindy tell you about whether or not she was suspicious of her daughter or not?"

"Well it took a while for her to warm up, because she doesn't trust people. That's the thing with her."

Krause began writing about the case last year, and struck up a relationship with Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony by phone, e-mail, and text message.

Police investigators from Florida later interviewed Krause about something Cindy Anthony allegedly told him about her daughter Casey.

Krause said, "She had stated that she had felt that Casey had something to do with

Caylee's disappearance and I asked her to elaborate and she wouldn't comment on it further."

Casey Anthony is charged with her daughter's murder.

Caylee's remains were found last month in a garbage bag in some woods near her grandparent's home.

Prosecutors say her mouth and head were covered with duct tape, and her body was placed in a laundry bag.

She'd been missing since June, but Casey didn't report the disappearance for another month.

Krause says Cindy Anthony stopped talking to him once he talked to the cops and because she didn't like what he was writing about Casey.

Question: Do you think Casey killed her daughter?

Krause said, "I do. And it's very evident."

Krause calls Casey Anthony a manipulative sociopath, and doesn't sugar coat his feelings.

Krause said, "I hope that she sits there and rots in prison for the rest of her life with little pictures of Caylee all over her cell."

Krause says he's not sure if his cooperation will help the investigation or not.

He was on Fox News Channel for about six minutes Thursday night and says this was his first national television appearance.

http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/connection_to_anthony_investigation_090122


Okay-first of all, there's Sean. His website is the notorious TheDailyBS.com, where he's been tearing Cindy, George and Casey a new one since this whole fiasco began...it's an interesting site, and Sean has some interesting views.

http://thedailybs.com/news/

He's a GREAT RESEARCHER, which brings me to our CL Message Boards connection.

Sean comes by his investigative skills through an interesting link.

Our good friend...








Drum-roll, please....






DAVID LOHR!!!

David is Sean's UNCLE!!!!

I damn near wet my pants watching the news cast and connecting those dots.

The only part I REALLY wasn't aware of was the fact that Sean is basically my neighbor!!!

He's about a 20 minute drive from my house!!!

Donna, Krause posted much of this, so it should be in the archives. DL has also posted there; you'll find his expose of the LP mess with the shady collection of funds for TES there. Also there is a family pic of him and SK and some others posted. I read the summary of LE's conversation with Sean in the new doc dump, but there are not details of the emails or calls (where they not that Cindy's statement about Casey's involvement is alleged.)

Wonder how Sean is doing with his cancer treatments haven't seen much his hospitalization lately. (Not that I would expect to necessarily.)

[javahog]

They cut off of the presser right as they were asking about the funeral! aargh!

All I caught was that the Anthony's were being remarkably patient but it was time to bury Caylee. Who did he blame for the delay? And did I hear him say the Anthonys did not know if Casey was guilty or not?

[Gatordog]

WOW! Did you see the body language on Brad? He said, "Right now Casey is presumed innocent" and she will be judged by a jury of her peers, not us!" as he shook his head from side to side.

I noticed he was short of air. Maybe he has asthma?

A jury of her peers? We can't find 12 people like her, thank the good Lord.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

George wants to be with Caylee.

Duct tape was on one of the gas cans taken from house in August.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

Man, oh man I hope they can match that duct tape to the tape found on Caylee's remains.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for helping with the updates SJ - I've been dealing with a personal situation here at home and haven't had time to keep up.

Thanks also - I knew about Sean/David Lohr. I miss David's input and stories here at CL - he works for Investigation Discovery now. :seeya:

God bless and Godspeed, O2S.

[Avad1228]

Lets hope she is smart enough to have the judge decide. Did anyone see in the paper that George Anthony took off to Daytona to "kill himself". I knew in the first interview with the Police I saw-- he knew his daughter was guilty but was lying to himself and the nut he is married to. I feel sorry for him, I hope he can lose the wife and start a new life somewhere else. What a circus the funeral will be, anyone know when that will be? The article said Caylee was notified about her father-- bet she could care less.

[lorettalockhorn]

George has known all along that Caylee wasn't with us any longer. He probably convinced himself that it was an accident and the Liar panicked and fabricated this whole story as a cover up. Well, with the latest developments of duct tape and the heart on the tape, it proves it was not an accident.

It seems to me what he did was a cry for help and that he wouldn't follow through with suicide. I'm wondering if this will leave the proscecution in the hole. What I was thinking in a little corner of my mind, was could he have done this in order to get out of testifying in court against his daughter? The only reason I thought that it might not be a true suicide attempt was that when I saw him, he looked clean and perfectly fine. Meaning that his weight was good and his hair was perfect. People I know who have been despondent, let themselves go. It's hard to get out of bed to brush your teeth, to shower, they lose weight and their hair is not styled. In this case 2+2 is not coming out to 4 for me. But then, nothing at all in this case does. Now I am absolutely positive that he is in a very bad state and that he probably does wish he would die, but I don't think he was going to go through with it and I think the thought of having to testify again is just too much for him. Okay, blast me.

Gator

Whether or not this suicidal ideation/threat was fabricated, he may be impeachable because of it. If he drank eight of the beers from a twelve pack, there's no telling what he might have done (depending on what time of day he started drinking). Interesting that LE saved his life after the lambasting the Anthonys have given them. And interesting to me that Cindy/Brad didn't report him missing sooner. Or maybe I'm just not understanding the timeline.

[Gatordog]

Jose speaks about George.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546286/index.html

Blames it on media..........oh, it's NOT because his daughter killed his grandaughter, right?!

Finger pointing at the media is ridiculous unless they are making up stories. They are just reporting information, in most cases, that is on the record from the police reports.

Blaming the media is like me blaming my refrigerator because I'm overweight. It's not the food I put in there and eat too much. It's the refrigerator's fault for being there. ;)

Gator

[javahog]

Did anyone else catch that George did not take any photos of Lee with him, and Conway did not mention Lee when he listed family? Odd.

[Gatordog]

Hey, I made Senior Member! Danagher, you're not far behind me. :D

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

According tot he heads (And NG agreed, which is rare) they probably won't be needing George and Cindy at trial. I forget why. The reason flew by me. They probably won't need immunity either because they don't need their testimony.

I can see that Cindy might not be necessary, but I would think that since George testified to the grand jury, he will be called to repeat his testimony (unless it can be stipulated).

I may be wrong:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18546075/detail.html

Can anyone make sense of any of this?

It makes no sense to me that George continues to deny that Casey was involved. He thinks her friends are responsible?? Sorry George, GMAFB

[javahog]

I can see that Cindy might not be necessary, but I would think that since George testified to the grand jury, he will be called to repeat his testimony (unless it can be stipulated).



It makes no sense to me that George continues to deny that Casey was involved. He thinks her friends are responsible?? Sorry George, GMAFB

Conway said that the "don't know" if she did it at the presser...not a raging expression of innocence...

[Gatordog]

Did anyone else catch that George did not take any photos of Lee with him, and Conway did not mention Lee when he listed family? Odd.

Java, I did not catch that. He did not take Lee's photo with him. Hmmm. I can understand Cindy not being up to seeing him in the hospital, but I thought that Lee would go to see him.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Do we know who is Yacking? Could it be a leak from Good Ol Jose? I could very well see someone from his office leaking that info to make the Liar look better.

I will keep checking and if there's any news, I'll let you know. Although a lot of people here are pretty quick and see it as soon as they are posted.

Gator

It seems like not too long ago one of the reporters (Kathy Belich or J D'Onofrio) had information to report on either JVM or NG that made it pretty clear that they are getting information from LE or the prosecution. (About the immunity deal, I think.)

[lorettalockhorn]

One of the news articles posted here said that there have been no family visitors to George. Wonder if there is trouble in the camp there?

Can you even visit a 51-50 when they've been taken into custody?

[javahog]

Can you even visit a 51-50 when they've been taken into custody?

he voluntarily checked himself in, does that make a difference?

[lorettalockhorn]

Jewelry? What are they going to put it on? I'd go over the edge too if I were him. Jewelry? Maybe he wanted to be the one to bring her over to God with him. Who knows?

They made the statement that they were concerned that photos would be taken of the remains of Caylee and sold so they were contemplating cremation. Only one person I can think of who would do such a horrendous thing as sell pictures of Caylee's bones. She's sitting in jail right now. I am sure that a thought like that would make a person contemplate suicide. Remember when George was talking to the police. He could not think of someone that he gave life to, nurtured and loved could be such a monster. It has only gotten worse since that day.

I truly feel sorry for that family. Whatever they did or did not do, they do not deserve this.

Gator

The jewelry thing just seems off somehow. Gonna have to think about that.

You know, the other day (last Saturday maybe?), LE was at the Ants, but when GVS talked to Conway, he said it wasn't connected to the murder investigation. Could George have made a threat that day?

[lorettalockhorn]

he voluntarily checked himself in, does that make a difference?

Don't think it does in this case, since it wasn't an actual committment hearing before a judge. Of course it could be like everything else in FL, which is so very different from AR.

He agreed for the police to place him in emergency custody and cooperated from what I understand. If he hadn't been cooperative, he would have been cuffed and shackled like any other combative prisoner.

[Justice Denied?]

"The only reason I thought that it might not be a true suicide attempt was that when I saw him, he looked clean and perfectly fine. Meaning that his weight was good and his hair was perfect. People I know who have been despondent, let themselves go. It's hard to get out of bed to brush your teeth, to shower, they lose weight and their hair is not styled. In this case 2+2 is not coming out to 4 for me. But then, nothing at all in this case does. Now I am absolutely positive that he is in a very bad state and that he probably does wish he would die, but I don't think he was going to go through with it and I think the thought of having to testify again is just too much for him. Okay, blast me."

Not gonna blast you, Gator!

BUT-it's not always the way it seems with depression and suicide.

Yeah-it IS hard to cope, but from personal experience, I never go around looking/smelling like a bag-lady when I'm bottoming out.

And I actually GAIN weight, because I'm a depressive eater.

And then I SLEEP FOREVER, and don't do too much that could burn the calories.

It's gotten to the point where my Dr. ALWAYS checks my weight and asks how things are going, because if I'm packing the pounds on, it's a pretty good bet that I'm heading for a bummer, and she puts me back on my meds or adjusts them.

I actually DROP weight when I'm doing well.

I'm just saying that you can't always tell, from outward appearances, if someone is depressed or suicidal.

I just hope George is still about to testify without it effecting his health...

Everybody has an opinion, but I just keep thinking about George telling a friend he was tired of all the lies. George has known from the beginning that Casey was guilty, but Cindy has just steamrolled right over him with her denial. I cannot picture living in the house with her right now.

I just hope that he can get his act together and tell the whole truth as he knows it now. That is the only thing that will save his sanity.

[Justice Denied?]

I thought that the colors looked very different. Very pink in picture and blue on television. I didn't know if perhaps they were different Winnie sets.

They definitely are different sets, The blue is crib sized and the pink is a youth bed or twin bed.

[SaraSidle]

Awww, so sad. :(

OT:

When I lived in Connecticut, I had a nice neighbor once who told me she saw the two guys that cut my screen, got into my house, took everything on my kitchen counters, including my car keys and drove off with my loaded car while my family was asleep. I asked her if she helped them in. "Did you give them a boost?"

Poppa is a firm believer in alarm systems these days. I don't even know my neighbors. Nobody interacts anymore. Where I was born in the Italian section of the city, when you sneezed, neighbors called to say "Gaabless you" Times have changed.

that is so awful Danagher. we still do not lock our cars or doors but I know there will come a day. good thing we have nothing but my laptop expensive enought to steal. most everything here is from when my parents were alive. everything is about ready to break down......or has

[SaraSidle]

Everybody has an opinion, but I just keep thinking about George telling a friend he was tired of all the lies. George has known from the beginning that Casey was guilty, but Cindy has just steamrolled right over him with her denial. I cannot picture living in the house with her right now.

I just hope that he can get his act together and tell the whole truth as he knows it now. That is the only thing that will save his sanity.

Oh my can you imagine JD? what a mental breakdown for both of them. I hope Lee gets it together and starts helping them because his sister is lost to the penal system as it were.

[SaraSidle]

Don't think it does in this case, since it wasn't an actual committment hearing before a judge. Of course it could be like everything else in FL, which is so very different from AR.

He agreed for the police to place him in emergency custody and cooperated from what I understand. If he hadn't been cooperative, he would have been cuffed and shackled like any other combative prisoner.

ITA you are correct. not for the first time either. poor g

[SaraSidle]

The jewelry thing just seems off somehow. Gonna have to think about that.

You know, the other day (last Saturday maybe?), LE was at the Ants, but when GVS talked to Conway, he said it wasn't connected to the murder investigation. Could George have made a threat that day?

Jewelry thing is very very strange. I am not going to think on it either. can't

[SaraSidle]

Could be that Cindy is in no shape to leave the house. Maybe George requested no visitors.

gosh gator neither one of them are mentally okay at this time. I am thinking anything goes.................

[Justice Denied?]

Did anyone else catch that George did not take any photos of Lee with him, and Conway did not mention Lee when he listed family? Odd.

I didn't catch that but it is odd. On the subject of family, does George have any? Never heard any mention of parents, siblings or anything. Just wondering.