Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[javahog]

Thanks Java :hat:

:mad: Pooh is implicated

[javahog]

www.wesh.com

pdf are being posted

[lorettalockhorn]

Take a look at what is on craigslist.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/rnr/992406908.html
NEWS ALERT- Lee Anthony (Orlando)

Reply to: pers-992406908@craigslist.org (pers-992406908@craigslist.org?subject=NEWS%20ALERT-%20Lee%20Anthony%20%28Orlando%29) [? (http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts)]
Date: 2009-01-14, 10:05AM EST


FBI reports DNA taken from Caylee Anthony proves Lee Anthony is the BIOLOGICAL FATHER.







Location: Orlando
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests


PostingID: 992406908

Oh for pity's sake. Is this LP still trying to advance his theory that Lee is Caylee's father? And does it matter who Caylee's father is unless he's part of the crime? Was thinking The State is certain that Casey acted alone.

(I'll admit that I'm not quite sure why Lee hasn't filed suit against Leonard for broadcasting this crap to anyone who will listen.)

[lorettalockhorn]

A klog iz mir. ... Yiddish (Transliterated), A klog iz mir, "woe is me."

Now I see but I still don't know what a klog is or what a mir is, but I'll say it anyway! Rockin.

:read:

klog= complaint
mir= me

At least according to my Yiddish translator. Meshuge!

[lorettalockhorn]

You like Marrriiiiiiiioooo? Something about this guys bugs me, Loretta. Too much of a know it all ~ but he doesn't. Maybe in his neck of the woods, people are in their most primitive state, because my people tell me it's only when you live in poor, backwoods areas that people use stuff that we probably don't even want to know about. You know, like Vietnamese people are so poor, they eat cats and dogs kinda thing. My MIL is one of the most frugal because of her dad passing away when she was 12, the mom and her supported all the kids. Pasta based chicken soups and homemade bread was staple, but Italians are known for tripe (cow's stomach lining) as a kinda delicacy (eeewwwww) not because they eat all the innards of animals. Sometimes, he does have good ideas.

Some cultures eat things that just shouldn't be eaten MOO!!! Chicken claws, pickled pigs feet, animal penis's and testicles, madagascar roaches and I'm not sure where it was (Vietnam?) they have a special table and make a whole production out of it. The table has a hole in the middle. They put a live monkey with his head popping out of the hole, and they proceed to beat the monkey's head with these metal mallots until it's dead, and eat the brains. I saw this. How.........uncivilized is that? Please. This is coming from an Italian who won't eat veal because of the process of how what happens to the veal before we eat it, and that's tame compared to other cultures.

Sorry to offend anyone by nationality or the above graphic story. It's just way beyond my comprehension!

slinking off to get my coffee...............

Love Mario, he's as much a food anthropologist as a chef and very knowledgeable about the regions and customs of Italy. Of course there is a hierarchy of wealth in Italy as anywhere else, but I love that he points out that Italian cooking is about what is grown in the nearby surrounding area, and also that much of what Americans consider to be "Italian cuisine" came out of the Roman ghetto.

And if Tony Bourdain endorses him, I'm for it

(PS I don't cook or eat veal either.)

[javahog]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html

There was a heart shaped sticker placed on the duct tape over her mouth.

The duct tape was tight enough the had to cut the hair to removed it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe my brain is fogged ~ joe is perculatiing now, maybe that'll help ~ doubt it! WTH?? Read the ad, don't understand what the poster is trying to do...........Someone help me out here. Too many nuts involved with this case to take just that simple comment seriously anyway.

Methinks until I see some docs from the FBI, someone is pulling the public's chain.....shame, shame. Asswipes.

I'm very frustrated, once again, started posting yesterday, and poof, puter wouldn't load anymore, couldn't get internet explorer. I have to find some puter nerd to tear this sucker apart and find out what's up. It's a fairly new puter, so I know it's something we did. Jeez, good thing I don't mess around with it a lot ~ think of the damage I could Really do!!!!:rolleyes:

Mornin', chickpeas!

OS, at some point I couldn't get on/stay on Crime Library using IE, so I tried using Mozilla Firefox and Opera and they work A-OK. You might try uninstalling and reinstalling IE. Keep your cache cleared too. Good luck!

[Gatordog]

I think that Casey was upset because she felt there was an opportunity for her to make bail and that George and Cindy did not take advantage of it. Unsure what this might be unless it was the reward for Caylee.

JD, I think you're right about the reward.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks y'all for posting the document information! :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html

There was a heart shaped sticker placed on the duct tape over her mouth.

The duct tape was tight enough the had to cut the hair to removed it.

Evidence of a sick and demented mind. :eek: :flamemad:

[javahog]

Thanks y'all for posting the document information! :seeya:

Its bad. Just what I've seen so far...it's like she was decorated, wrapped in a Pooh blanket, and stuffed in a laundry bag.

"whoever" did this is one sick toad.

[Gatordog]

It was a rerun. Maybe she got invited to an inagural ball due to her sparkling personality! LOL

Or maybe they put her at the door to be a bouncer. :tongue:

[beachbum]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html

There was a heart shaped sticker placed on the duct tape over her mouth.

The duct tape was tight enough the had to cut the hair to removed it.

As a mom that really tears my heart up to read this article. Bless
Caylee's little heart. Such a sweet soul to have such a devilish mother.
jmo

[Gatordog]

They must have a loophole around letting everything out (at least to the public). We've never seen any of the Annie WhatsHerName stuff. I can totally see one or both sides holding things back while they "remain under investigation".

Hi Loretta, I've seen the name Annie and heard the name Annie but I have no background on Annie. Can you tell me what her involvement is?

Thanks,

Gator

[Gatordog]

From what I gather, just the Kodak/Colorvision located @ Universal Studios. And the last she was employeed there was 2006. I haven't read or heard anything that confirmed that she ever, ever worked as an event planner. Heck, I don't even know if there is a position named that (or ever was) @ Universal.

Ironically, I planned an event at Universal in December 2006 and the planner sure wasn't the Liar. Thank goodness!

Gator

[Gatordog]

Guess John Morgan isn't her lawyer any more? The one on GVS, introduced as ZFG's lawyer was Keith Mitnik.

If I recall an interview correctly, John Morgan stated that another attorney, who is a member of the law firm and one of the best slander attorneys in the state, would be working on the case along with John.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think Casey knew it would probably not be legal for her parents to do that but with her history of ripping people off, she thought they ought to figure out a way to do it, to get her out with that money. But I think that while Cindy seems unconvinced something is stealing if it is under a certain amount , even 225,000 would be considering stealing in her book !!. Also, on the 401 in the emails from Shirley she talks about Cindy spending te 401 on other things but I am not sure she mentions to cover for Caseys stealing at all. I bet there are things Cindy did not tell her mother. But Loretta is right in these emails , Cindys mother is on the ball, she is no dummy. She gets it that Casey is lying about almost everything and so does the Aunt. Pretty sharp women those two!. One other thing caught my eye in her emails, that George lost money gambling and yet he says it was not gambling, but to an online scam, which I find hard to believe. He was a cop for F's sake. How dumb could George be?

My guess would be that the Ants had no access at all to the reward money. I don't think it was given to them to be given as a reward. It was probably promised by a third party to be rewarded upon the safe return of Caylee.

Gator

[Gatordog]

You want to hear TMI? My cocker spaniel has gas tonight and the little guy is about to chase me out of my spot! LOL

Wow, I feel for you. With Gator's adrenal problem, gastric upset is common. FYI you can give a dog Gas-X or pepcid. Gator takes both when needed http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fart004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gatordog (not the stinky Gator)

[One2Snoop]

Hi Loretta, I've seen the name Annie and heard the name Annie but I have no background on Annie. Can you tell me what her involvement is?

Thanks,

Gator

I believe Annie Downing is the name.

[javahog]

Okay, so Cindy smelled the car and went in to work, per her supe. She told her about the stink, and the supe told her to go home and call police. Cindy said, no, she had a lot of work, and she wanted to give Casey a chance to explain herself.

So, if she id's the smell as decomp, wouldn't she have worried that something might have happened to Casey? But no, she assumed Casey was just fine and some 'splainin' to do. I think she denied to herself what the smell was from the get go. Not GA, though, he knew, as evidenced by his LE interview...

[Gatordog]

I should be baking Leroy a BDay cake, yet here I sit! Sweetie Pie dreams, all!

Found this, which seems to debunk the theory that the news story about Baez's money grubbing may not be phony:

Fla. Bar Prepares Case Against Baez
Anthony Attorney Claims Investigation Filed By People With 'Ax To Grind'

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Florida Bar told WESH 2 Tuesday that they have an "active case" working against Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez.

Baez said he knows about the investigation and said it's been filed by people with an ax to grind.

Baez has signed on world class forensic experts from as far away as Canada, and he will not answer how he's paying for it, he told WESH 2 he has not done anything illegal in his handling of the case against Casey Anthony.

He said he has done nothing but conduct himself in a most professional manner. He said he has done nothing unethical.

This comes as experts continue to question how he's getting the money to pay for his legal dream team.

"How is he affording to represent her and are the decisions being made in her best interest and with her permission?" attorney Richard Hornsby said.

Baez has consistently refused to answer where the money is coming from.

"First of all I think it's an inappropriate question. It isn't a concern of anyone who's paying for all of this," he said.

If Baez has made improper deals, Hornsby said that could provide Anthony grounds for an appeal.

"It would be so easy for Miss Anthony to claim what is called ineffective assistance of counsel," Hornsby said.

Baez confirms he is the subject of an ongoing Bar investigation. He said it was filed by people with an axe to grind and has nothing to do with allegations of unethical financial dealings.

"It's all a crock," he said.

Baez declined an on-camera interview, but added that he has nothing to hide.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18523723/detail.html

Video link:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18524436/index.html

First, a very Happy Birthday to Leroy http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink060.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

About one month after the start of the case, Baez was stopped by a reporter, from I think WFTV. He said he could not answer any questions "because he was under an exclusivity contract and when the contract expired, he could talk to them." IMO, I would take that as a confirmation that some sort of payment was made to him from a media outlet.

Gator

[javahog]

Hey guys with better memories than me

re: the heart shaped sticker on the duct tape. Didn't Casey change all posted photos of Caylee to black and white and put hearts on them?????? I thought I read that somewhere... tia

[Gatordog]

Thank you, my dear. So far so good today! keep your fingers crossed for me!

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ira8l.jpg

OS, are those your dogs? Or just a very cute picture? They are beautiful.

Gator

[beachbum]

[QUOTE=javahog;9155402]Okay, so Cindy smelled the car and went in to work, per her supe. She told her about the stink, and the supe told her to go home and call police. Cindy said, no, she had a lot of work, and she wanted to give Casey a chance to explain herself.

So, if she id's the smell as decomp, wouldn't she have worried that something might have happened to Casey? But no, she assumed Casey was just fine and some 'splainin' to do. I think she denied to herself what the smell was from the get go. Not GA, though, he knew, as evidenced by his LE interview...[/QUOTE

I spent some time reading those emails yesterday among the family. Seems Cindy was concerned before the date she called the police and so were other family members about the whereabouts of Caylee. They apparently all knew how Casey was but I dont know why Cindy continues to cover Caseys azz.

[Gatordog]

Cupcakes,

I am sorry that I overreacted yesterday. I hold honesty and integrity above all else, so to be considered part of the Anthony's family, even in jest, made me a little nuts. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-looney-toons-001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Yes, Annie's the one...

Was Annie the one she partied with and supposedly had conversation or text. Some kind of dialogue regarding use of Zanax??

Computer Evidence Shows Casey Searched For Missing Child Websites
Friday, September 26, 2008 – updated: 10:31 pm EDT September 28, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News dug through hundreds of files on Casey Anthony's personal computer Friday and found she had been looking at missing children websites long before Caylee disappeared.

Computer Forensics Report (PDFs)
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Investigators released images found on Casey Anthony's computer they called "graphics of interest" in the case of her missing toddler. An anti-death penalty image, showing a little girl that even looks a bit like Caylee, has a caption that reads: "Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?" (Read computer forensics report)

A quote from rapper Tupac reads: "You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks or even months over-analyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what could've, would've happened. Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the [expletive] on."

Both images appeared on Casey's computer just days before she was arrested for lying to investigators. Images included something Casey had tattooed after Caylee disappeared, photos of Casey draped in a flag at an "Anything But Clothes" party and Internet conversations she had with men suggesting Caylee interfered with Casey's sex life.

Digging through Casey's Internet history, Eyewitness News discovered evidence she was surfing missing children web sites months before Caylee disappeared. She visited one more than a year ago. Ironically, now Caylee's picture takes center stage on that same site.

There were also Internet conversations detailing Casey Anthony's drug use. In one, Casey said she "can hit up my friend Annie for some Xanax" and promised "we'd be a good time."

The computer records also revealed that, starting in June, Casey's computer was used to search for Zenaida Gonzalez, the mystery nanny. The question now is whether she was trying to get background information on the woman, who she would later accuse of being the person who took Caylee.

[Nantes]

I am just starting to read through all of this information, but one thing keeps sticking in my mind. I don't know much about decomposition and all, but if the duct tape was so tight that they had to cut the hair, wouldn't you think there would be some cells there to analyze?

nantes

[Gatordog]

I need to hear about fingerprints and DNA on the damn tape and the knife!!!!!

Hellllllllooo Miss Casey. Seem like you used the laundry bag that was with your detergent in the trunk of your car, huh? You put that beautiful little girl in a laundry bag.

And the heart...how sweet, that your guilt made you put that on after duct taping Caylee's mouth ~ unfortunately you caught her hair in it too, Kitchen knives don't cut duct tape too well, do they?

You left her with her winnie blanket ~ was that to keep her 'warm', because as you know, she really didn't need it....just like she didn't need her backpack anymore. Funny, you didn't mention that you gave it to Zani when she kicked your a** and took Caylee.

BTW folks, I said it and Ricardo Morales confirmed it ~ She DID drug Caylee with baby medicine before doing this Any asswipe friend of her with no kids wouldn't know to do something like that unless someone told them about it. He even thought it was probably funny. Is that where she got the idea of chloroform too??

Forgive me.........I'm pissed off as all hell.:flamemad:

forgot to say muchas gracias for the link! :)

If I remember the statements from way back when, Ricardo Morales is the boyfriend who said that Caylee would sleep in the same bed as the Liar and him. The Liar probably gave her a high dose of allergy medicine and then went at it with the boyfriend. Makes me want to hurl...http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sick006.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Could this possibly be the (Winnie the pooh) blanket they found with Caylee's remains? :confused:

http://i35.tinypic.com/sevgrc.jpg

[FDInLaw]

Investigators say a heart-shaped sticker was intentionally stuck to the duct tape that was found over Caylee's mouth area. Both ends of the duct tape were stuck to Caylee's hair and her hair had to be cut to separate the duct tape, according to documents released Wednesday. Investigators also found a heart-shaped sticker at the scene (details here - page 15).

The new documents show that Caylee's body was in a cloth laundry bag, which was then placed into a black trash bag. They also found a size three toddler shirt, white shorts with vertical stripes, and a Winnie the Pooh blanket. Also inside the bag was a backpack with the word "adorable" on it and pull-ups with a flower design. Investigators also found a stainless steel knife.
The details are killing me. . . :(

[javahog]

I had a wonderful thought! :eek:

If the duct tape had to be cut because of the hair, that means either A) there was enough adhesive to stick it to the hairs, hence very likely there are fingerprints, or B) the duct tape was stuck to itself at the ends, making it again, very likely that there are fingerprints.

Either way, this is a good thing.

[javahog]

ARE YOU GUYS READING THIS????

Page 3318 of the package, bottom, the County asks the FBI to compare the DNA profile of Lee Anthony to Caylee Anthony! :eek:

Someone, find the results!!!! Dig!

[javahog]

Yes java, that's why I'm going crazy http://i44.tinypic.com/1498h06.jpg waiting to hear the rest of the results!

She wasn't smart enough NOT to leave prints somehow...MOO

can you post a link of that page re Lee?

Oh, good, I am not alone!

I have looked and looked for a result form the FBI on the DNA question. It is simply not there that I can see, although other test results are! I wonder if things that are integral to the case and sensitive, such as DNA and fingerprints are not being released yet??? I'm still reading, and I'm not a nut case, but I have to wonder why LA dna is asked for a compare, not to evidence, but specifically to Caylee? It can't be, right?

[shadydaisy]

ARE YOU GUYS READING THIS????

Page 3318 of the package, bottom, the County asks the FBI to compare the DNA profile of Lee Anthony to Caylee Anthony! :eek:

Someone, find the results!!!! Dig!

I'm not looking at what you are looking at - please post link! I'd love to dig.

[shadydaisy]

That Craige's list poster was Leonard P???

I don't think so. I think it's just that LP was one of the few people who alluded to the possibility. I can't figure out why Craig's list was used for that kind of statement.

[javahog]

I'm not looking at what you are looking at - please post link! I'd love to dig.

cool!

the request is here, page 3318: http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html

the results should be somewhere in here: http://www.wftv.com/news/18530394/detail.html

[Gatordog]

I'm not looking at what you are looking at - please post link! I'd love to dig.


http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html

[Gatordog]

LOL!!!!!! You are in great form today doll! You had me hysterical laughing this morning. I got my shopping done. Bought my DIL a great outfit for her birthday, bought the Italian rolls at Barelli's bakery, stopped for a burger (awful! Wendy's gets 10.79 for a triple burger- NOT WORTH IT) Then I stopped and got my hair trimmed.
Then I went to CVS and got 3 of my weebles a coloring book and new crayons because they all have strep throat. Nothing like new crayons when little one get sick. I didn't buy you anything this time, next time :)

I am just now seeing the posts about the docs. I'm pussy footin around until I can stand digging deeper. She's a monster. She's is slam dunk toast guilty! Why waste the time and energy on a trial? Cindy is going to die of this. I can't imagine it.

Is that $10.79 just for the triple burger? :eek:

Oh boy, what I wouldn't give to have a good Italian roll from a real bakery. Down here, an Italian roll has the consistency of a hot dog bun. :(

Gator

[shadydaisy]

cool!

the request is here, page 3318: http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html

the results should be somewhere in here: http://www.wftv.com/news/18530394/detail.html

Results comparing Lee and Caylee DNA are not in that document dump. Maybe they have not, or are not, releasing that particular document. It was specifically requested and it must have been performed.

I'll be in a meeting for the next couple hours. I'll check back. I'm sure there will be more info.

[FDInLaw]

With these new details, how can anyone doubt that Casey is responsible? This case is closed for me. I hope CA gets the max possible.

Rest in peace, sweet little one. . . :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

That Craige's list poster was Leonard P???

I was being facetious. LP has stated emphatically that Lee is Caylee's father.

Java, I don't see anything in the results that refer to K-16 and K-17, the numbers assigned to hair and buccal samples from Lee.

[One2Snoop]

Baez To Hold News Conference At 5 P.M.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18530020/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

I was raised Roman Catholic and we were taught that it was "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" and that it did not mean to walk on someones property illegally but referred to sins and that forgiving them meant not to hold grudges. I had to laugh when someone mentioned continuing on when noone else did that happened to me once too.

wow Sharlock. I was raised Roman Catholic too but I stopped practicing. Now my only religion is be nice to others as you would be to yourself. IMO

[One2Snoop]

Baez To Hold News Conference At 5 P.M.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18530020/detail.html

Oh for shizzle! :rolleyes: He's talking about himself. :punch:

[SaraSidle]

You're the BOMB Loretta! :) They say don't argue with an idiot or they'll wear you down and beat you with experience.. or some such.
God love ya!
:beer:
a klog is a mir a klog is a mir a klog is a mir. I don't know what a klog or a mir is and I don't care. I like saying that! And I'm eating a BLT on Itlaian bread right now. I made a great corn chowder earlier tonight and put it in 2 home made bread bowls and poppa and I chowed down. I'm doing the food thing tonight.

save some for the rest of us

[One2Snoop]

I can't believe he brought race into this by saying he's the only "hispanic attorney whose been involved in a case of this magnitude". :rolleyes:

THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU JOSE!:no:

[SaraSidle]

No worries-they have there place. Not TMI. Glad u are ok-thats the main thing :seeya:I second all that. Taking them myself. not gaining weight yet but they are not very much fun. Beem is right not TMI be okay

[javahog]

I was being facetious. LP has stated emphatically that Lee is Caylee's father.

Java, I don't see anything in the results that refer to K-16 and K-17, the numbers assigned to hair and buccal samples from Lee.

Thanks, Loretta and Shady! I thought I was doing too much skimmification!

[One2Snoop]

Watch Jose ~ http://i44.tinypic.com/312ztir.gif

Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, holds a news conference Wednesday evening.
http://www.wesh.com/video/18532999/index.html

[javahog]

I can't believe he brought race into this by saying he's the only "hispanic attorney whose been involved in a case of this magnitude". :rolleyes:

THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU JOSE!:no:

He's marketing. He figures: Marilyn Milian and Judge Alex, Cuban? check. Florida? check.

Problem is: Charismatic? the only one who'd check that box is his mother, imoo.

[SaraSidle]

hehehe At least she didn't belt out Chain of Fools!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-uNb_Nihuk&feature=related

You are so bad to the bone. First time I have laughed in a week at least.
TY sara

[One2Snoop]

Jose......

http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-char-016.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

LOL! In my best imitation of NG ~

OH! BOOOO HOOO!
http://i43.tinypic.com/ab4743.jpg

[SaraSidle]

Been there alright Sara. But 2 days ago, I simply wanted to change my master email on my IP (which I never did). Then I came here to change it on my profile because I thought I had to. Then everything went kaflooey. I couldn't get on. I thought about it and suspected that I had to create a new identity which I was willing to do. Danagher doesn't fit anyway. I took that name from an old movie with John Wayne. (The Quiet Man) (Love that movie)

When I tried to make a new identity, it rejected the email that I put in my old profile. I tried a different computer and did fine but I couldn't post from mine. I tried to email the boss around here for help, never thinking I'd get any, but I did. It was like magic! :)

"Ma, don't click things on the computer! You don't know what you're doing!"

Mine broke from a party we had on Halloween when a child spilled her 7up on it. Took Circuit ciy 2 months to fix it. now they are closed and I can still not do links so I just depend on everyone to write what they know. I am sick about the news today on Caylee. what a -itch. I am so angry

[SaraSidle]

A klog iz mir. ... Yiddish (Transliterated), A klog iz mir, "woe is me."

Now I see but I still don't know what a klog is or what a mir is, but I'll say it anyway! Rockin.

:read:

I think woe is all of us on this site. just my own opinion. I keep asking myself how much worse can it get and it just keeps on getting worse!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

Maybe my brain is fogged ~ joe is perculatiing now, maybe that'll help ~ doubt it! WTH?? Read the ad, don't understand what the poster is trying to do...........Someone help me out here. Too many nuts involved with this case to take just that simple comment seriously anyway.

Methinks until I see some docs from the FBI, someone is pulling the public's chain.....shame, shame. Asswipes.

I'm very frustrated, once again, started posting yesterday, and poof, puter wouldn't load anymore, couldn't get internet explorer. I have to find some puter nerd to tear this sucker apart and find out what's up. It's a fairly new puter, so I know it's something we did. Jeez, good thing I don't mess around with it a lot ~ think of the damage I could Really do!!!!:rolleyes:

Mornin', chickpeas!

you made me hungry. I love chick peas. did you get any kind of a warranty when you bought the puter? was there a team connected to repairs like "firedogs"?

[Justice Denied?]

I so don't like that dress.! I don't like fluffy and white at all. Too bad she could not have worn something with more color, like Blue or even yellow. .

I agree that someone does need to teach Michelle how to dress. Even at the convention, she was more party style that business like the other women. Her attire just doesn't quite make it. Also felt Mrs. Byden missed the mark. That dress was too low cut for such a formal ocassion.

Can I ask a silly OT question? When I was younger, sparkle and glitter were strictly "after 5". Has that changed? I felt Michelle's dress was just too"over the top" for daytime wear on a formal ocassion.

[SaraSidle]

You like Marrriiiiiiiioooo? Something about this guys bugs me, Loretta. Too much of a know it all ~ but he doesn't. Maybe in his neck of the woods, people are in their most primitive state, because my people tell me it's only when you live in poor, backwoods areas that people use stuff that we probably don't even want to know about. You know, like Vietnamese people are so poor, they eat cats and dogs kinda thing. My MIL is one of the most frugal because of her dad passing away when she was 12, the mom and her supported all the kids. Pasta based chicken soups and homemade bread was staple, but Italians are known for tripe (cow's stomach lining) as a kinda delicacy (eeewwwww) not because they eat all the innards of animals. Sometimes, he does have good ideas.

Some cultures eat things that just shouldn't be eaten MOO!!! Chicken claws, pickled pigs feet, animal penis's and testicles, madagascar roaches and I'm not sure where it was (Vietnam?) they have a special table and make a whole production out of it. The table has a hole in the middle. They put a live monkey with his head popping out of the hole, and they proceed to beat the monkey's head with these metal mallots until it's dead, and eat the brains. I saw this. How.........uncivilized is that? Please. This is coming from an Italian who won't eat veal because of the process of how what happens to the veal before we eat it, and that's tame compared to other cultures.

Sorry to offend anyone by nationality or the above graphic story. It's just way beyond my comprehension!

slinking off to get my coffee...............

well SO you have done a wonderful job of curbing my hunger and I thank you

[One2Snoop]

Jesus H Christ!!! That report is full of horrible info!!!
Several things struck me. One is that Lee Anthony was not cooperative with giving his DNA IIRC. And the *sand in the trunk* could be linked to the back yard of the Anthony home. Another thing was the shovel can still have sand from the back yard or the dump site. So much. still reading. I'm horrified! What lawyer in his right mind would defend this mutha F**CKER!!

Never mind. I'm the queen of stupid questions tonight!:read:

I'm sure LP would have a thing or two to say about that... http://i43.tinypic.com/19td1u.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

From what I gather, just the Kodak/Colorvision located @ Universal Studios. And the last she was employeed there was 2006. I haven't read or heard anything that confirmed that she ever, ever worked as an event planner. Heck, I don't even know if there is a position named that (or ever was) @ Universal.

There is an Events coordination department or something similar at Universal. IIRC the head of the department had a name very similar to the name of Casey's made up boss at Universal.

[Justice Denied?]

I just figured pig rinds was the commercial product, if they are made @ home, they are chittlins. HOWEVER, I'm from the Midwest, what would I know about Southern cuisine? lol

Here's a recipe for chittlins with onions, bell pepper and potatoes. Have to admit I've never eaten any.
http://www.bigmamasrecipes.com/soulfood/chitterlings/bigmamaschitterlings

[One2Snoop]

First on FOX: Baez under investigation
Last Edited: Wednesday, 21 Jan 2009, 4:56 PM EST
Created: Wednesday, 21 Jan 2009, 4:56 PM EST

(WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- He's become one of the most recognized attorney's in Orlando and now Jose Baez is under two investigations by the Florida Bar Association.

The first investigation is about inappropriate advertising and the other about Baez and his dealings with press corps media, the company owned by Todd Black. Both were filed as sworn complaints by someone.

The Florida Bar would not say who filed the complaints or give us details about the investigation.

The Florida Bar did say that a grievance committee met last week on the inappropriate advertising complaint and they should be wrapped up with in a week or two.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8290167&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[SaraSidle]

I changed my email yesterday and thought I needed to change it on my profile here. Well it turned into an odessy I'm not qualified to describe. I changed my name here and re registered but, and then, so I , then it was impossible to, so I went to mail dot com and made a new email name and had intended to let you all know it was me but it didn't work and so I went on poppa's PC, made another ID and then I couldn't post from mine, and I said, forget it! Then I missed you all so I wrote a "help me" note to the biggie who helps and , it's all bettah now.

WHaaaahhhh!!!!
Gimmi kithez! It's so good to be home. LOL!


:seeya

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By the way, NG last night? Why? I would have been better off reading here.

NG was terrible last night. Not only it was old jailhouse interviews that I could quote verbatim but they ran some of the same interviews more than once. I wish she'd stop using words such as 'bombshell' and 'shocking' when it's the same old same old. I'm with you -- why??


You know the truth has been told and You will not miss it on this board. But I am afraid to watch it today cause what I read on CNN is so disgusting. IMO

[One2Snoop]

Baez Denies Any Outside Casey Anthony Deals
Questions Arise Over How Legal Team Is Paid

POSTED: 6:54 am EST January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 6:38 pm EST January 21, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez said Wednesday he has no book or entertainment deal, rebutting rumors and reports that he is profiting from the murder case.

In a news conference, Baez criticized "certain tabloid reporters" and suggested their coverage could be defamatory.

“I have absolutely no book deals, no entertainment deals…with anyone,” Baez said.

The quickly called news conference came on the day when prosecutors released a new set of documents in the case, including details that a heart-shaped sticker was on the duct tape found on the remains of Casey Anthony’s daughter. (Read Article About Documents

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of Caylee, whose remains were found in woods in east Orange County last month. Anthony had reported Caylee missing in mid-July and said a babysitter last had the then 2-year-old.

On Tuesday, Baez said he is aware that the Florida Bar Association is investigating him.

The Florida Bar Association will neither confirm nor deny whether it is compiling a case against Baez due to confidentiality rules.

Baez said the case was filed by people with an ax to grind.

The investigation centers on how Baez is paying his legal team, including a world-class forensics expert who he signed on to help with the case.

Baez said Tuesday to WESH 2 News that he has done nothing unethical, but he has consistently declined to address where the money is coming from.

"First of all, I think it's an inappropriate question ... I don't think it's any concern of anyone who is paying for all of this," Baez said.

If it's found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for an appeal after the trial.

A representative of the state attorney's office said they have concerns about that because they don't want to go through a trial twice.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

[Justice Denied?]

Me too Loretta. I wanted to hear Respect so bad.

Aretha is going to be on Larry King tonight for all who are interested.

[Justice Denied?]

:mad: Pooh is implicated

Told ya! In the picture where Cindy is sitting beside the bed. there is a Winnie the Pooh bedspread and pillow sham. This comes as a set with sheets and a pillow case. You can probably buy the matching blanket also. One thing we know, when you pick a nursery theme you stick with that theme and buy eveything in that pattern.

[javahog]

I agree that someone does need to teach Michelle how to dress. Even at the convention, she was more party style that business like the other women. Her attire just doesn't quite make it. Also felt Mrs. Byden missed the mark. That dress was too low cut for such a formal ocassion.

Can I ask a silly OT question? When I was younger, sparkle and glitter were strictly "after 5". Has that changed? I felt Michelle's dress was just too"over the top" for daytime wear on a formal ocassion.

I actually like how Michelle dresses, except for that black and red number from election night. But Biden's wife, glory hallelujah she looked like a go-go dancer to me! Very tacky, and for the inaugural no less... I don't know age group, but I am 39, and my cohort considers the Michelle inaugural dress better than perfect...it was more brocade than glitter, if there had been a full on sequin thing, no way. Risky, but worked...

[javahog]

I know Sara. From day one I've read comments like. "I can't wrap my head around this" over and over. Now It seems we are faced with "Man's inhumanity to man' once again." It has always existed. Yet since the crucifiction of a prophet, Tudors and the Holocaust I believed we had become more civilized even after 911 and other hideous crimes against helpless Innocent's. This case though is going to be text book material for students of psychology, forensics, nurses and physicians of all ranks. It is without a doubt the most horrible crime yet against a child.

I am trying to see what the lesson is, otherwise i will cry until I can't anymore. There must be something Caylee came to show us, besides that we are in trouble as a society and there must be a change in the way some people raise their children these days.

What have we baby boomers done? My parents generation gave us more than they had, and we gave our children more then we got, and our grandchildren are over indulged at age 5. I see it in my own family. To believe that our great grandparents had no dysfunction would be foolish of me. It's a human condition, I'm sure of that. I do believe though, that they were striving so hard for survival they had no time for nonsense, and no time to give kids what they did not earn. But they left a legacy of what? What are we heirs to? I still believe in spankings and have a very bad reaction to disrespect coming from a kid.

I'm sick over this too Sara. Yep!

Don't worry Dan. Not all of us with young kids are enabling over-indulgers. My 3 year old says please, thank you, ma'am and sir. And there are consequences. So its not all of us...

[One2Snoop]

Told ya! In the picture where Cindy is sitting beside the bed. there is a Winnie the Pooh bedspread and pillow sham. This comes as a set with sheets and a pillow case. You can probably buy the matching blanket also. One thing we know, when you pick a nursery theme you stick with that theme and buy eveything in that pattern.

http://i43.tinypic.com/52dmhs.jpg

[javahog]

Does anyone remember what George stated Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her? It was during one of the video's with LE.

Its actually described somewhere within the doc dump...blue shirt, white shorts, sunglasses, backpack with monkey on it.

REAL close, close enough for a month later and a man to be the same as she was found with...how's that for a last memory of your granddaughter, her going to her death?

I hope they get counseling.

[Gatordog]

I can't believe he brought race into this by saying he's the only "hispanic attorney whose been involved in a case of this magnitude". :rolleyes:

THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU JOSE!:no:

:cuss: That totally infuriated me. Plus, the first question he went to was the reporter from Univision. It was asked and answered in Spanish. Now it has been reported that he wants the trial to be in Miami. He gave Univision a one on one interview. Where is univision big - Miami! He tainting the jury pool.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Its actually described somewhere within the doc dump...blue shirt, white shorts, sunglasses, backpack with monkey on it.

REAL close, close enough for a month later and a man to be the same as she was found with...how's that for a last memory of your granddaughter, her going to her death?

I hope they get counseling.

Blue shirt and white shorts - that's what she's wearing in the video taken on June 15th.

Gator

[Gatordog]

http://i43.tinypic.com/52dmhs.jpg

Is it me or does this bedding look to be blue on NG and pink here in the pic?

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Is it me or does this bedding look to be blue on NG and pink here in the pic?

Gator

Looks like there's a blue bed pillow but the rest looks the same.

[One2Snoop]

Here's another pic...

http://i39.tinypic.com/35lsp6v.jpg

[beachbum]

Here's another pic...

http://i39.tinypic.com/35lsp6v.jpg

She certainly had a sweet little bedroom with lots of toys and fun things for her short life. I know the Anthonys have to be grieving for her..maybe not Casey but look just look at this room. In all her pictures she has on very cute clothing or costumes. Someone at that house really loved her and it wasnt Casey. Oh if they could just turn back time. I would hope to God they would do something different in order to save Caylee's life. The silence in her room would be enough to make you crazy.

[javahog]

*sigh*

It is a horrible read. The sticker...can we get our pitchforks now?

[SuzDuJour]

The heart sticker on the duct tape was a real sucker punch to the gut. I can't even imagine how Cindy will be able to cope with, then spin, that piece of work. I think we now know why some of the detectives who originally thought Caylee's death might have been accidental now believe it was completely intentional.

[lorettalockhorn]

Its actually described somewhere within the doc dump...blue shirt, white shorts, sunglasses, backpack with monkey on it.

REAL close, close enough for a month later and a man to be the same as she was found with...how's that for a last memory of your granddaughter, her going to her death?

I hope they get counseling.

Way behind on posts, but I thought that George reported that Caylee was in a jean skirt? Yes on the monkey backpack, hair was in a ponytail. To be honest, I think it's weird that he remembers any of that. And not just because I think he's lying.

[javahog]

Just when you want NG to show the video ONE MORE TIME.........(after seeing it about A THOUSAND TIMES)

The video was Father's day, right? George said he saw them leave the 16th? I remember he said the backpack had monkeys on it, and she had on a baseball cap too. Could be she had the same outfit on?. Not like Casey would have cared Caylee had it on the day before..Hmmm Was it white or blue (from the bag?)

Just finished re reading Rick's e mails to Shirley and Cindy. She was told straight up what we all have talked about every day, for months. Like Rick says ~ call the mental Institution.

those e-mails, who released them?

[lorettalockhorn]

:cuss: That totally infuriated me. Plus, the first question he went to was the reporter from Univision. It was asked and answered in Spanish. Now it has been reported that he wants the trial to be in Miami. He gave Univision a one on one interview. Where is univision big - Miami! He tainting the jury pool.

Gator

For the love of Mike, who cares his race, ethnicity, religion, etc? I don't care if his name is Jose, Joseph, Yosef, or anything else. What I care about is that he's making himself a victim here (sound familiar? It should. It's a regular motif in this case!) What bugs me is that he comes off like an idiot. And the more mistakes he makes, the more likely this case will be appealed for a hundred years. Instead of forty.

[Gatordog]

Way behind on posts, but I thought that George reported that Caylee was in a jean skirt? Yes on the monkey backpack, hair was in a ponytail. To be honest, I think it's weird that he remembers any of that. And not just because I think he's lying.

My mother said the same exact thing tonight. How can he remember what she was wearing one month after the fact. supposedly there was nothing special about that day so why did he remember th clothes so clearly?

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Does anyone remember what George stated Caylee was wearing the last time he saw her? It was during one of the video's with LE.

IIRC, George stated that Caylee was wearing a jean (denim) skirt and a pink top. So does that bring his statement into question?

[Gatordog]

Holy Mackeral. It's icy cold here. It's 36 degrees now and it's going down to 26! Were going to have a hard freeze which means it will be at that temp for a minimum of six hours. I have a sweater and I have gloves, I need to find a pair of closed toed shoes for tomorrow. I'm worried about my frogs in the cold. I've closd my hurricane shutters to try to keep the cold out.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen125.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator in Sunny Orlando ?

p.s. Watching that new tv show LIE TO ME. The Anthony family motto.

[javahog]

My mother said the same exact thing tonight. How can he remember what she was wearing one month after the fact. supposedly there was nothing special about that day so why did he remember th clothes so clearly?

Gator

If this really is the same as the video, I bet no matter what she was wearing on the 16th (presuming true"), his memory would be what he saw on the video. Remember how bad eyewitness memory is...

[Justice Denied?]

http://i43.tinypic.com/52dmhs.jpg

Don't know if its relavant or not but my ggranddaughter even had a foldup Winnie the Pooh themed clothes hamper.

[lorettalockhorn]

She certainly had a sweet little bedroom with lots of toys and fun things for her short life. I know the Anthonys have to be grieving for her..maybe not Casey but look just look at this room. In all her pictures she has on very cute clothing or costumes. Someone at that house really loved her and it wasnt Casey. Oh if they could just turn back time. I would hope to God they would do something different in order to save Caylee's life. The silence in her room would be enough to make you crazy.

You know, I just see the toys and fun things as garbage. Money that could have well been spent on trying to fix this cl^sterf^ck of a family was spent on stuff. I've seen this far too often. A kid is in state custody, and the family has every excuse in the book to miss planning conferences and family counseling, but let a birthday roll around, and you cannot believe the amount of money spent on gifts and Pure D Old Crap.

Man, I'll tell you what I'd like to see. Pictures of Caylee with other little kids. Pictures of Caylee with someone other than those nearest and dearest to her who don't seem to care how long her tiny bones sit in that box.

[Amy]

Take a look at what is on craigslist.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/rnr/992406908.html
NEWS ALERT- Lee Anthony (Orlando)

Reply to: pers-992406908@craigslist.org (pers-992406908@craigslist.org?subject=NEWS%20ALERT-%20Lee%20Anthony%20%28Orlando%29) [? (http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts)]
Date: 2009-01-14, 10:05AM EST


FBI reports DNA taken from Caylee Anthony proves Lee Anthony is the BIOLOGICAL FATHER.







Location: Orlando
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests


PostingID: 992406908

I'm thinking I will wait for a formal statement by the FBI, or a statement in court. That looks like anyone can post anything. It would be more viable information if it said Agent (and put in a name here) said this, and that agent can be identified as an FBI agent, and he would confirm it publicly (or in trial.) Until that time.....guess this info does not impress me.

[FDInLaw]

Holy Mackeral. It's icy cold here. It's 36 degrees now and it's going down to 26! Were going to have a hard freeze which means it will be at that temp for a minimum of six hours. I have a sweater and I have gloves, I need to find a pair of closed toed shoes for tomorrow. I'm worried about my frogs in the cold. I've closd my hurricane shutters to try to keep the cold out.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen125.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator in Sunny Orlando ?

p.s. Watching that new tv show LIE TO ME. The Anthony family motto. Me too. . . *passing popcorn*

Looks like it might be a keeper.

[lorettalockhorn]

Probably he remembered because he/they bought her outfit and backpack. Also cause she looked cute as a button. :(

Was there a baseball cap too? or am I just goin nuts.

Not knocking you, but for the love of God, how could he remember every thing that they bought for Caylee? It ain't right, I'm telling you. Especially if he has stated at some point that she was wearing white shorts. That's a flip-flop.

Aww you know she looked cute. Y'all were talking earlier about how hard it is to take. Know what gets me? During NG, they show the photos with just simple piano chords. And buddy, if I'm crying, you better know that I'm good and fmad.

The information about the heart sticker truly was shocking, and I don't even try to fathom what was going on there, except it's an indication to me that the killer had a close relationship to Caylee. Other than that, the meaning is beyond me. But I do know that unlike the FAnthonys, we around here are here to support each other so that we are strong enough to hold up Caylee and LE, and The State.

[lighthousedazy]

For the love of Mike, who cares his race, ethnicity, religion, etc? I don't care if his name is Jose, Joseph, Yosef, or anything else. What I care about is that he's making himself a victim here (sound familiar? It should. It's a regular motif in this case!) What bugs me is that he comes off like an idiot. And the more mistakes he makes, the more likely this case will be appealed for a hundred years. Instead of forty.I agree with NG on this one too. He is trying to be the victim now. No one thought anything about him being a minority or Hispanic until he decided to play the race card. :flamemad: This case and caysee anthony makes me want to puke. God rest little Caylee's soul. :rose:

[lighthousedazy]

Holy Mackeral. It's icy cold here. It's 36 degrees now and it's going down to 26! Were going to have a hard freeze which means it will be at that temp for a minimum of six hours. I have a sweater and I have gloves, I need to find a pair of closed toed shoes for tomorrow. I'm worried about my frogs in the cold. I've closd my hurricane shutters to try to keep the cold out.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-gen125.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator in Sunny Orlando ?

p.s. Watching that new tv show LIE TO ME. The Anthony family motto.

Gator I feel for you. We had 19 this morning and I don't think it made it up to 40 today. The low the other day was 10 degrees. I am not used to highs in the 30's. I am in the sunny south also - central part of SC. :)

[javahog]

Just speaking as a woman, if I were to put duct tape on someone, I would only put it on the face and make sure it didn't get in the hair. IF I EVER intended to take it off.

The fact that the duct tape is in the hair, and so tight they had to cut it, that's premeditated murder. No one was going to take that tape off.

[beachbum]

The emails are worth reading to me. Alot of confirmation in them about the family. Cindy's brother and mother are not in denial and have pretty much come up with the same scenarios that we have. I agree with Rick and just dont understand why Cindy is in such denial. For God's sake this is her granddaughter that she raised, loved and cared for daily.

[lighthousedazy]

I feel for u both. You's can blame me-probably pushing down our canadian air. We had -30 one day last week with the windchill brrrrrr. Tips-hot bath,throw your jammies in the dryer and a cozy bath towel. Have your DH bring it in when done your steamy bath. When all cools down sit you hiney down with a heating pad. Thats what i have been doing today but i have a mild virus :rose:Oh Beem, the steamy bath, warm jammies and cozy towel sound heavenly. My electric blanket is my second mate too. :) Sorry you are sick and hope you feel better.

[Amy]

First on FOX: Baez under investigation
Last Edited: Wednesday, 21 Jan 2009, 4:56 PM EST
Created: Wednesday, 21 Jan 2009, 4:56 PM EST

(WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- He's become one of the most recognized attorney's in Orlando and now Jose Baez is under two investigations by the Florida Bar Association.

The first investigation is about inappropriate advertising and the other about Baez and his dealings with press corps media, the company owned by Todd Black. Both were filed as sworn complaints by someone.

The Florida Bar would not say who filed the complaints or give us details about the investigation.

The Florida Bar did say that a grievance committee met last week on the inappropriate advertising complaint and they should be wrapped up with in a week or two.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8290167&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Todd Black is the OWNER of the press corps media? I tho't when folks looked into that when he first appeared on the scene--oh, I mean first talked on the phone---he was just one of thousands of pr reps in the company?

[lighthousedazy]

The emails are worth reading to me. Alot of confirmation in them about the family. Cindy's brother and mother are not in denial and have pretty much come up with the same scenarios that we have. I agree with Rick and just dont understand why Cindy is in such denial. For God's sake this is her granddaughter that she raised, loved and cared for daily.Cindy does seem in denial in front of the TV cameras, but look at her face in the pictures in Caylee's room and in the August jail video. That face (to me) says that she knows her granddaughter is dead. In the jail video where caysee is laughing and Cindy is crying as they are talking makes me wish that caysee would fry in the electric chair. :flamemad: jmo

[mu8shark]

IIRC, George stated that Caylee was wearing a jean (denim) skirt and a pink top. So does that bring his statement into question?I think you have to put that into perspective. If I ask anyone of you on here what your child was wearing a month ago on a certain day, can you really tell me what you put on them? I know some think that the George lied but you can't really base it on the fact that the clothes are different from what he described. Remember he was interviewed about something that happened over a month ago.

[Amy]

Baez Denies Any Outside Casey Anthony Deals
Questions Arise Over How Legal Team Is Paid

POSTED: 6:54 am EST January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 6:38 pm EST January 21, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez said Wednesday he has no book or entertainment deal, rebutting rumors and reports that he is profiting from the murder case.

In a news conference, Baez criticized "certain tabloid reporters" and suggested their coverage could be defamatory.

“I have absolutely no book deals, no entertainment deals…with anyone,” Baez said.

The quickly called news conference came on the day when prosecutors released a new set of documents in the case, including details that a heart-shaped sticker was on the duct tape found on the remains of Casey Anthony’s daughter. (Read Article About Documents

Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of Caylee, whose remains were found in woods in east Orange County last month. Anthony had reported Caylee missing in mid-July and said a babysitter last had the then 2-year-old.

On Tuesday, Baez said he is aware that the Florida Bar Association is investigating him.

The Florida Bar Association will neither confirm nor deny whether it is compiling a case against Baez due to confidentiality rules.

Baez said the case was filed by people with an ax to grind.

The investigation centers on how Baez is paying his legal team, including a world-class forensics expert who he signed on to help with the case.

Baez said Tuesday to WESH 2 News that he has done nothing unethical, but he has consistently declined to address where the money is coming from.

"First of all, I think it's an inappropriate question ... I don't think it's any concern of anyone who is paying for all of this," Baez said.

If it's found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for an appeal after the trial.

A representative of the state attorney's office said they have concerns about that because they don't want to go through a trial twice.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

Could Jose have set up the ball rolling for the investigation--the State attorney isn't going to want to go to trial until this is cleared up. Certainly not w/Jose being the attorney. So, since Jose looks like he isn't going to remove himself from the case, they will have to WAIT until this is cleared up. Then, it looks like a delay caused by the State, and he doesn't have to make a motion for one. Wonder how long this will buy them?

It seems to me that a lawyer could be removed by whatever authority can do it--from a case he isn't qualified for, or where it is known the case could most likely get an appeal because of the attorney. Doesn't make sense that the trial would have to be put off, and certainly doesn't make sense that it would go forward when it's known the defense would win an appeal.

[javahog]

The FBI DID run a parentage test: http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html

last line of last page. But it doesn't give the results. Which sample is "Item K-1"?

Correction: it looks like the county sent it to the FBI, see page 3297...

also see pg 3276, mentioned here July 28...

[mu8shark]

If this really is the same as the video, I bet no matter what she was wearing on the 16th (presuming true"), his memory would be what he saw on the video. Remember how bad eyewitness memory is...I totally agree. You can't really tell me that he would remember what she had on a month ago and eyewitness testimony is notoriously shaky.Whatever he has said in public with LE George has been nothing but honest as far as I am concerned. No reason for him to lie about something totally inconsequiental.

[Amy]

For the love of Mike, who cares his race, ethnicity, religion, etc? I don't care if his name is Jose, Joseph, Yosef, or anything else. What I care about is that he's making himself a victim here (sound familiar? It should. It's a regular motif in this case!) What bugs me is that he comes off like an idiot. And the more mistakes he makes, the more likely this case will be appealed for a hundred years. Instead of forty.

Add one more piece of stupidity to his resume. Like you, I don't give a whipstitch what his name is. His PROBLEM is the stupid, uninformed, uneducated things that come from his mouth. I swear, a high school freshman studying government probably has more understanding of legal things that he portrays in his statements (to the press, on talk shows, in the motions to the judge.) He is in over his head. He should be removed from the case as not being qualified--it doesn't take a judge or the bar association or a panel of other lawyers to see that he just is NOT qualified for this high profile case. I'm not sure he would be qualified if it was a quiet little case that never even makes the local news papers.

[mu8shark]

I thought he was kind of rough on her. What good does it do to attack and especially at such a time. The woman had to deal and she was out of her body with it. He could have been more compassionate without going for the throat. Silence is definitely golden. All he had to do is be there for his sister and shut up. That's what family should do. Sometimes that takes more courage than scratching at the wound. He could have staved off his anger at Casey somewhere else. He sounds like another ego maniac who is pissed because his niece was humiliating him.. I completely disagree. I think in earlier emails he tries to reason with her and she just keeps on , keeping on with the lies. And if he was such an egomaniac he would have gone on Greta and Nancy and everything else, but out of deference to her, he did not. I have a feeling the only way to get through to Cindy is to get rough with her.

[mu8shark]

Add one more piece of stupidity to his resume. Like you, I don't give a whipstitch what his name is. His PROBLEM is the stupid, uninformed, uneducated things that come from his mouth. I swear, a high school freshman studying government probably has more understanding of legal things that he portrays in his statements (to the press, on talk shows, in the motions to the judge.) He is in over his head. He should be removed from the case as not being qualified--it doesn't take a judge or the bar association or a panel of other lawyers to see that he just is NOT qualified for this high profile case. I'm not sure he would be qualified if it was a quiet little case that never even makes the local news papers. I completey agree. Witness him trying to say there was misconduct when LE did not stop the last interview . It is not the jails duty to tell Casey to do what her lawyer said,. As for the assertion that it was a setup and LE sent George and Cindy in to ask her questions, so F ing what? Police put mikes on people, they ask people to tape phone calls , all kinds of things, it is not misconduct , it is a technique used a lot, so what would be so devious about sending her parents in to ask questions. Also the fact that he wanted that tape broadcast and release is just mind boggling. What defense lawyer would think that was a positive thing and also this racist stuff is just bogus, what a boob!

[Amy]

You know, I just see the toys and fun things as garbage. Money that could have well been spent on trying to fix this cl^sterf^ck of a family was spent on stuff. I've seen this far too often. A kid is in state custody, and the family has every excuse in the book to miss planning conferences and family counseling, but let a birthday roll around, and you cannot believe the amount of money spent on gifts and Pure D Old Crap.

Man, I'll tell you what I'd like to see. Pictures of Caylee with other little kids. Pictures of Caylee with someone other than those nearest and dearest to her who don't seem to care how long her tiny bones sit in that box.

Just now on NG (the second show) someone is saying that Cindy's co-workers told investigators that Cindy was complaining about her home situation (mainly how much it costs for the leech) which is something Cindy didn't usually do. They are saying in relation to the custody (didn't catch if THEY were telling Cindy to take custody, or if she had told them about the therapist telling her to) that Cindy was saying they couldn't afford it. I am assuming she would be talking about legal fees and such, as she and George (well, she, cuz George didn't always seem to be employed) already seemed to have full financial responsibility. But, if they spent just a tad bit less on doodads and toys and furnishings, they might have had the funds for this (if they could have kept them from the thieving daughter, that is.) Having a garage sale probably would have brought in a nice chunk of change.

[mu8shark]

The FBI DID run a parentage test: http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html

last line of last page. But it doesn't give the results. Which sample is "Item K-1"?

Correction: it looks like the county sent it to the FBI, see page 3297...

also see pg 3276, mentioned here July 28...Wouldnt they have to have something to match her dna up with? I mean, I get that they would type Caylees dna but does it show they compared it someone's? Whose? Jesse was ruled out already.

[javahog]

Okay, Item K-1 (aka item H-52043) is a Property Form (page 3279). But it is also called a DNA Parentage Test Report (starting on 3276).

The DNA Parentage Test Report existed on or before July 28, 2008 (due to date on form, page 3276).

So you know what this is? This has to be the test that was run on Caylee and Jesse Grund. This could NOT be a paternity test run for the purposes of the investigation, right? They were using it as an uncontrovertable sample of Caylee's DNA to compare to evidence.

Am I right?

[beachbum]

I thought he was kind of rough on her. What good does it do to attack and especially at such a time. The woman had to deal and she was out of her body with it. He could have been more compassionate without going for the throat. Silence is definitely golden. All he had to do is be there for his sister and shut up. That's what family should do. Sometimes that takes more courage than scratching at the wound. He could have staved off his anger at Casey somewhere else. He sounds like another ego maniac who is pissed because his niece was humiliating him..

I think he was rough on her too but remember Rick said their own mom agrees with him. Seems like this was not the first time Cindy has been duped by Casey. Rick apparently was there when Cindy asked Casey if she was pg and he said Casey denied it and Rick reminded Cindy that you are a nurse. Guess what? Casey was PG. 7 mts at the time. I felt like he was trying to make her "see" the light about Caylee. I felt like he was trying to save her some embarrassment by being duped....again. He just felt like they were making fools out of themselves(is that a word) in front of the whole world by believeing all of Casey's lies again and this time it was a very serious matter not just something minor but very very serious. I think they were just worried about what would be coming down on them and its coming down on them, I think I would try to do the same for my sibling.

[mu8shark]

I have the same question. that gives me a creepy feeling.They were in a document dump.. LE released them and Snoop just copied and posted them for us but LE released them probably to show the public even Casey's own family does not believe her or at least her extended family. I have a question for you all, I just kind of thought of this. If you were Jose Baez and you were selling the Nanny did it story, what motive would you ascribe to her? Okay bear with me, it can't be that LE is looking for the child and she panicked, right? Because LE dates her death to the first day she went missing so LE was not even involved or media until a month later. She loves the child according to Casey's interview. And if she suddenly decided to kidnap because she thought Casey was not doing a good job of mothering, why kill her? That does not make sense. And if she watched her for two years why would she all of a sudden say give her to a child porn ring or something? So what motive would you try to explain to the jury? I know legally there does not have to be one presented but as a juror I want to know, why would a nanny kill her child.?

[mu8shark]

I think he was rough on her too but remember Rick said their own mom agrees with him. Seems like this was not the first time Cindy has been duped by Casey. Rick apparently was there when Cindy asked Casey if she was pg and he said Casey denied it and Rick reminded Cindy that you are a nurse. Guess what? Casey was PG. 7 mts at the time. I felt like he was trying to make her "see" the light about Caylee. I felt like he was trying to save her some embarrassment by being duped....again. He just felt like they were making fools out of themselves(is that a word) in front of the whole world by believeing all of Casey's lies again and this time it was a very serious matter not just something minor but very very serious. I think they were just worried about what would be coming down on them and its coming down on them, I think I would try to do the same for my sibling. I am not saying I would not be mad if I were Cindy or upset but I do see where he is coming from. I just don't see that you could get anywhere by sweet talking Cindy at all. Detective Melich tried that , even holding her hand and nothing, nada, zilch, butkus.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think you have to put that into perspective. If I ask anyone of you on here what your child was wearing a month ago on a certain day, can you really tell me what you put on them? I know some think that the George lied but you can't really base it on the fact that the clothes are different from what he described. Remember he was interviewed about something that happened over a month ago.

Then why didn't he say "I don't know." "I don't remember." "Maybe a jean skirt, or maybe white shorts. Geez, it was a month ago."

He told LE that she was in a jean skirt. Period.

[mu8shark]

Okay, Item K-1 (aka item H-52043) is a Property Form (page 3279). But it is also called a DNA Parentage Test Report (starting on 3276).

The DNA Parentage Test Report existed on or before July 28, 2008 (due to date on form, page 3276).

So you know what this is? This has to be the test that was run on Caylee and Jesse Grund. This could NOT be a paternity test run for the purposes of the investigation, right? They were using it as an uncontrovertable sample of Caylee's DNA to compare to evidence.

Am I right? Well yes it depends on how much before July 28. Jesse did his test as far as I know when Caylee was a baby.
Hmmm.....

[javahog]

Well yes it depends on how much before July 28. Jesse did his test as far as I know when Caylee was a baby.
Hmmm.....

Well, at the very least, this is not running Lee Anthony against Caylee, I just assumed Jesse. His DNA wasn't taken until October 8. Of course, on October 10, LE asked the FBI to do the comparison (pg 3318), and I still haven't found any results from THAT...

[mu8shark]

Then why didn't he say "I don't know." "I don't remember." "Maybe a jean skirt, or maybe white shorts. Geez, it was a month ago."

He told LE that she was in a jean skirt. Period.Okay we have to agree to disagree on this. I just don't see this as proof George lied. I think Casey came back and in fact we know at some point the phone calls do put her in that house. I am sort of thinking back to your assertion people do not get mad the day after a fight or stay mad. . Let me tell you my own personal experience. I have had fights with people and stewed and stewed on it all night and been even madder in the morning once I started drudging up junk overnight.. I am not saying I went and killed someone obviously, but people do stay mad that long. Just my opinion.

[Amy]

I think you have to put that into perspective. If I ask anyone of you on here what your child was wearing a month ago on a certain day, can you really tell me what you put on them? I know some think that the George lied but you can't really base it on the fact that the clothes are different from what he described. Remember he was interviewed about something that happened over a month ago.

Then, perhaps he should have just said he didn't remember that far back, it just being a "regular day" in the life of the A family. The fact that he had to make up what he tho't she might have been wearing tells me he just might be making up the fact that he saw them on the 16th. I still think the time he saw them must have been that evening, when (IMO) is most likely that Casey steamed out with Caylee after a big blowout. I think he saw them that evening (the 15th,) as he starts to say he was watching the news, but a pinch from Cindy changed that to his favorite cooking show.

[mu8shark]

Well, at the very least, this is not running Lee Anthony against Caylee, I just assumed Jesse. His DNA wasn't taken until October 8. Of course, on October 10, LE asked the FBI to do the comparison (pg 3318), and I still haven't found any results from THAT... Yikes so Lee's was compared to Caylees? It is odd that LE had a suspicion about that but I guess not since Casey told friends he had touched her inappropriately or whatever.

[beachbum]

Okay we have to agree to disagree on this. I just don't see this as proof George lied. I think Casey came back and in fact we know at some point the phone calls do put her in that house. I am sort of thinking back to your assertion people do not get mad the day after a fight or stay mad. . Let me tell you my own personal experience. I have had fights with people and stewed and stewed on it all night and been even madder in the morning once I started drudging up junk overnight.. I am not saying I went and killed someone obviously, but people do stay mad that long. Just my opinion.

Well the backpack found with her body --is it the one he described with the monkey on it???

[javahog]

On Page 3357, K-1 is identified as Casey Anthony. It must be the profile from the paternity report. I guess they didn't trust, say, hairbrushes...

[mu8shark]

Then, perhaps he should have just said he didn't remember that far back, it just being a "regular day" in the life of the A family. The fact that he had to make up what he tho't she might have been wearing tells me he just might be making up the fact that he saw them on the 16th. I still think the time he saw them must have been that evening, when (IMO) is most likely that Casey steamed out with Caylee after a big blowout. I think he saw them that evening (the 15th,) as he starts to say he was watching the news, but a pinch from Cindy changed that to his favorite cooking show.But phone records put Casey back at her parents house in the afternoon on the 16t. Why would it matter for Caseys defense if he last saw her on the 15th or 16th. I just see not real good motive to make up this lie. It is not like if he saw them on the 16th it exonerates her. I see no real motive for this lie. We will have to agree to disagree. I kind of ran this by my cousin and she said the same thing, Why would it make any difference?

[mu8shark]

Well the backpack found with her body --is it the one he described with the monkey on it???Okay I thought the backpack was found and Cindy looked through it prior. I am watching NG and she does not mention a backpack with the body. Is that in the documents dump of late?

[beachbum]

Then, perhaps he should have just said he didn't remember that far back, it just being a "regular day" in the life of the A family. The fact that he had to make up what he tho't she might have been wearing tells me he just might be making up the fact that he saw them on the 16th. I still think the time he saw them must have been that evening, when (IMO) is most likely that Casey steamed out with Caylee after a big blowout. I think he saw them that evening (the 15th,) as he starts to say he was watching the news, but a pinch from Cindy changed that to his favorite cooking show.


Didnt the neighbors report hearing alot of yelling that evening, I believe that would be the evening Cindy confronted Casey about stealing money from her parents and Cindy was reported choking Casey.This would have been Fathers Day, the same day of the video of Caylee singing at the nursing home. I dont think Casey stayed there that night, I figure she grabbed what she could and stormed out with Caylee. jmo

[beachbum]

Okay I thought the backpack was found and Cindy looked through it prior. I am watching NG and she does not mention a backpack with the body. Is that in the documents dump of late?

Caylee Marie Anthony's remains were found on December 11 stuffed into a cloth laundry hamper bag and then in a black trash bag with yellow ties. A small shirt and shorts were found with the remains and also Caylee's backpack with the word "adorable" on it


http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.html

[mu8shark]

Oh for pity's sake. Is this LP still trying to advance his theory that Lee is Caylee's father? And does it matter who Caylee's father is unless he's part of the crime? Was thinking The State is certain that Casey acted alone.

(I'll admit that I'm not quite sure why Lee hasn't filed suit against Leonard for broadcasting this crap to anyone who will listen.)Okay maybe I am being argumentative tonight but I have never heard Leonard say he theorizes Lee is the father. I have heard him say she is lying about who the father is but never ,ever that Casey and Lee are Caylees parents.

[mu8shark]

Didnt the neighbors report hearing alot of yelling that evening, I believe that would be the evening Cindy confronted Casey about stealing money from her parents and Cindy was reported choking Casey.This would have been Fathers Day, the same day of the video of Caylee singing at the nursing home. I dont think Casey stayed there that night, I figure she grabbed what she could and stormed out with Caylee. jmoOh I agree she stormed out but unless they slept in her car or a friend can say she slept at their place , I bet she went back in at some point and slept there to have a roof over her head. I think she definitely killed Caylee on the 16th at her parents house. She is in her parents house like from about 2-4 pm whens he calls all her friends and then when she calls Cindy and George frantically. So I believe LE at least has that right. And it does make sense. If I were going to kill anybody I am not doing it like in my car where someone can see, it was probably in her parents house so no one would see her.

[Amy]

Okay maybe I am being argumentative tonight but I have never heard Leonard say he theorizes Lee is the father. I have heard him say she is lying about who the father is but never ,ever that Casey and Lee are Caylees parents.

I did hear him mention this one time on NG. Can't remember the conversation, but I do remember his talking about Lee possibly being the dad (or, he might have said Lee IS the dad---but of course he says all his theories are just that, his theories.)

[mu8shark]

Caylee Marie Anthony's remains were found on December 11 stuffed into a cloth laundry hamper bag and then in a black trash bag with yellow ties. A small shirt and shorts were found with the remains and also Caylee's backpack with the word "adorable" on it


http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/detail.htmlOkay what I am going on is a WKMG report back in August where authorities found two backpacks earlier and they got search warrants to take them. I think the monkey one is a different one and maybe she has several. I have only heard of the monkey one and the one CIndy looked through because she ask Casey in a jailhouse tape why none of Caylee's things were in there and she gave the Nanny bought her everything excuse.

[mu8shark]

I did hear him mention this one time on NG. Can't remember the conversation, but I do remember his talking about Lee possibly being the dad (or, he might have said Lee IS the dad---but of course he says all his theories are just that, his theories.) Okay just don't remember that at all,. I have seen it online as theory but I just don't recall that. I would think I would remember that if he accused them of that. Hmm.... but maybe.....

[sharlock]

Okay, Item K-1 (aka item H-52043) is a Property Form (page 3279). But it is also called a DNA Parentage Test Report (starting on 3276).

The DNA Parentage Test Report existed on or before July 28, 2008 (due to date on form, page 3276).

So you know what this is? This has to be the test that was run on Caylee and Jesse Grund. This could NOT be a paternity test run for the purposes of the investigation, right? They were using it as an uncontrovertable sample of Caylee's DNA to compare to evidence.

Am I right?

That certainly makes sense to me Java. I think that Lee being the father is becoming a real possibility. I cannot think of another reason for Cindy to act in such denial about Casey's pregnancy which family and nurse friends from work could plainly see. This denial seems only to be matched by her current denial of Casey's guilt.
My point is the current denial is weird but understandable due to the death of Caylee and the loss of Casey as well if they admit she is guilty BUT the pregnancy while not great being that Casey was young was not a disaster on the same scale as this OR was it? If Cindy even suspected Lee was the father (Casey is supposed to have told Cindy about Lee and Cindy wouldn't beleive her) then it would become a huge thing and how does Cindy deal with huge things? DENIAL

Augut 13th - Angel Jones- address- 3809 Peace Pipe Drive to examine hat faded white or pink cap faded in the woods north of Curry Ford Community Park and west of Econ Trail “VIP very important princess” and small pink crown

No pizza or meat located in the trash bag.

They did get maggots and preserve them.

Oct 7th white trash bag with blue string tie and paper towels used with pupa on them was collected by CSI 2 Gerardo Bloise #2333.

Leaves found in stained spare wheel well and stains on spare wheel well cover.

A stuffed animal (Taz) in a plastic bag was found and CA said she had never seen it before. It was collected from 4851 Hopespring Drive

q.51,52,53,54 hair found in full sail doc, freshener sheet, hair on coke can and soda can, 2hairs in box with rubbish, and vehicle tag G63 XV and other items (debris) in car by Dr Lee.

Continual reference to 4937 Hopespring Drive as Caylee’s address(possible errors)

K1 parental dna test report

Gas guage on Casey’s car was working!

Stains cold be seen on 11 pieces of clothing from Casey’s closet using ALS and a nasty looking stain could be seen on her boots that were taken from the car. This was after all of the clothing had been washed by CA.

NE2 DNA Parentage Test Report (Item K-1)

Found at crime scene which was less than 3/10thsw of a mile from Casey’s home; Caylee was wearing a small shirt size 3T and white shorts with vertical stripes. They found a toy horse (Search warrant pg. 3136) and small cloth type letters that appear to be iron on. The silver duct tape around Caylees mouth had a heart shaped sticker attached to it. She was in a cloth, laundry hamper bag and that was in a black garbage bag with yellow ties and wrapped in a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

[lighthousedazy]

:shrug::shrug::shrug:Snoopy please do. Did I hear NG say that the clothes in the bag with the remains were the same as George said she was wearing the last day he saw caysee and Caylee? I thought I heard NG say they were the same. I don't know. jmo :shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

Rememebr what Lee said to Casey during a visit to the jail?
Paraphrasing somewhat: "Jose doesn't care about you he cares about himself" Then the Liar laughed.Very strange and WOW..

[mu8shark]

"There is also new information contained in the documents about what Orange County meter reader Roy Kronk first saw in August when he called 911 and it's unclear whether he was actually referring to the trash bag containing Caylee's remains (read transcripts).

According to the 911 call transcripts, Kronk was describing something white and a gray vinyl bag. Caylee's remains were found in a black bag with yellow handles. Kronk said he didn't investigate the bag further in August, because he saw a dead 6-foot rattlesnake not too far from it." My comment If this is true then maybe the deputy did not do anything wrong. If Kronk was alerting him to another bag which it appears he was, it looks like a totally different bag, then when the deputy said on his report it was trash, it probably was. And the deputy after looking at that bag would have no earthly reason to go into the woods and look at every single trash bag in those woods. Because white and gray vinyl is very different from a black bag with yellow handles. Maybe that is why LE did not discover it then, Kronk was describing a totally separate bag.

[sharlock]

Okay maybe I am being argumentative tonight but I have never heard Leonard say he theorizes Lee is the father. I have heard him say she is lying about who the father is but never ,ever that Casey and Lee are Caylees parents.
No, Lp definitely did say that but I don't think he did it on tv. I know he sent emails to people who then posted them on the Scared Monkeys site and in those he said that he was definitely the father and LE knew it. I will find it for you later ok!

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay we have to agree to disagree on this. I just don't see this as proof George lied. I think Casey came back and in fact we know at some point the phone calls do put her in that house. I am sort of thinking back to your assertion people do not get mad the day after a fight or stay mad. . Let me tell you my own personal experience. I have had fights with people and stewed and stewed on it all night and been even madder in the morning once I started drudging up junk overnight.. I am not saying I went and killed someone obviously, but people do stay mad that long. Just my opinion.

It's okay. I'm not saying it's proof that George lied. I just cannot see Casey leaving the Ants' late the night of the 15th all honked off, showing back up and everything is A-OK, Caylee's dressed in a jeans skirt according to George, they leave, George leaves, C&C come back, and Casey suddenly becomes murderous, changes Caylee's clothes and then kills her. So where is the jean skirt? In the laundry? Maybe those are the clothes that Casey spoke of when she commented that Caylee's clothes hadn't been found?

[sharlock]

"There is also new information contained in the documents about what Orange County meter reader Roy Kronk first saw in August when he called 911 and it's unclear whether he was actually referring to the trash bag containing Caylee's remains (read transcripts).

According to the 911 call transcripts, Kronk was describing something white and a gray vinyl bag. Caylee's remains were found in a black bag with yellow handles. Kronk said he didn't investigate the bag further in August, because he saw a dead 6-foot rattlesnake not too far from it." My comment If this is true then maybe the deputy did not do anything wrong. If Kronk was alerting him to another bag which it appears he was, it looks like a totally different bag, then when the deputy said on his report it was trash, it probably was. And the deputy after looking at that bag would have no earthly reason to go into the woods and look at every single trash bag in those woods. Because white and gray vinyl is very different from a black bag with yellow handles. Maybe that is why LE did not discover it then, Kronk was describing a totally separate bag.
That's right. I have been saying this ever since I saw some of the PI's video. It clearly shows the tree that Kronk was describing that had the white board nailed to it and was bent over. This means he was definitely in the WRONG area and the video proves it imo. That police man should be put back to work he didn't do the wrong thing he was taken to the wrong area.

[lorettalockhorn]

Then, perhaps he should have just said he didn't remember that far back, it just being a "regular day" in the life of the A family. The fact that he had to make up what he tho't she might have been wearing tells me he just might be making up the fact that he saw them on the 16th. I still think the time he saw them must have been that evening, when (IMO) is most likely that Casey steamed out with Caylee after a big blowout. I think he saw them that evening (the 15th,) as he starts to say he was watching the news, but a pinch from Cindy changed that to his favorite cooking show.

I never quite understood George's statement regarding how he knew the time 1) Food Network doesn't have hour long programs during the day (but maybe they did mid-2008), and 2) FNW doesn't have news programs.

[sharlock]

I also wanted to mention that it is strange that Kronk describes this monster of a snake and is too scared to go further then produces pictures of a snake that big that he has obviously killed???

[mu8shark]

That certainly makes sense to me Java. I think that Lee being the father is becoming a real possibility. I cannot think of another reason for Cindy to act in such denial about Casey's pregnancy which family and nurse friends from work could plainly see. This denial seems only to be matched by her current denial of Casey's guilt.
My point is the current denial is weird but understandable due to the death of Caylee and the loss of Casey as well if they admit she is guilty BUT the pregnancy while not great being that Casey was young was not a disaster on the same scale as this OR was it? If Cindy even suspected Lee was the father (Casey is supposed to have told Cindy about Lee and Cindy wouldn't beleive her) then it would become a huge thing and how does Cindy deal with huge things? DENIAL

Augut 13th - Angel Jones- address- 3809 Peace Pipe Drive to examine hat faded white or pink cap faded in the woods north of Curry Ford Community Park and west of Econ Trail “VIP very important princess” and small pink crown

No pizza or meat located in the trash bag.

They did get maggots and preserve them.

Oct 7th white trash bag with blue string tie and paper towels used with pupa on them was collected by CSI 2 Gerardo Bloise #2333.

Leaves found in stained spare wheel well and stains on spare wheel well cover.

A stuffed animal (Taz) in a plastic bag was found and CA said she had never seen it before. It was collected from 4851 Hopespring Drive

q.51,52,53,54 hair found in full sail doc, freshener sheet, hair on coke can and soda can, 2hairs in box with rubbish, and vehicle tag G63 XV and other items (debris) in car by Dr Lee.

Continual reference to 4937 Hopespring Drive as Caylee’s address(possible errors)

K1 parental dna test report

Gas guage on Casey’s car was working!

Stains cold be seen on 11 pieces of clothing from Casey’s closet using ALS and a nasty looking stain could be seen on her boots that were taken from the car. This was after all of the clothing had been washed by CA.

NE2 DNA Parentage Test Report (Item K-1)

Found at crime scene which was less than 3/10thsw of a mile from Casey’s home; Caylee was wearing a small shirt size 3T and white shorts with vertical stripes. They found a toy horse (Search warrant pg. 3136) and small cloth type letters that appear to be iron on. The silver duct tape around Caylees mouth had a heart shaped sticker attached to it. She was in a cloth, laundry hamper bag and that was in a black garbage bag with yellow ties and wrapped in a Winnie the Pooh blanket. I have a few comments about all this info. So correct me if I am wrong the stuffed animal was found at another address right? Not at the Anthonys so was it then just perhaps a stuffed animal totally unrelated to the case, because it does not sound like it was in the bag or anything but at another address on Hopespring? Am I getting that right? The maggots could have Caylees dna in them, it is very possible. Maybe this is something they did not release. I saw documents where they sent that test off but no return test in documents. Also this knife, I wonder what kind of knife. And the nasty stains , would you not think it they were blood they would say possible bloodstains. Also no meat or pizza which we knew but good to see and Dr Lee was full of it.

[sharlock]

But phone records put Casey back at her parents house in the afternoon on the 16t. Why would it matter for Caseys defense if he last saw her on the 15th or 16th. I just see not real good motive to make up this lie. It is not like if he saw them on the 16th it exonerates her. I see no real motive for this lie. We will have to agree to disagree. I kind of ran this by my cousin and she said the same thing, Why would it make any difference?
I agree mu8shark but the thing that bothers me is there seems to be no benefit to his lies about chasing her in her mums car that day either. Not a lot makes sense with this family imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

But phone records put Casey back at her parents house in the afternoon on the 16t. Why would it matter for Caseys defense if he last saw her on the 15th or 16th. I just see not real good motive to make up this lie. It is not like if he saw them on the 16th it exonerates her. I see no real motive for this lie. We will have to agree to disagree. I kind of ran this by my cousin and she said the same thing, Why would it make any difference?

The obvious reason (IMO) for George to lie here, is to bolster Casey's allegation that she left Caylee at the steps of Zenaida's apartment (and/or give her the option of having gone to the park where she was knocked to the ground for Zenaida and Samantha to grab Caylee). The motivation could be as simple as Casey threatening to kill Caylee.

[mu8shark]

That's right. I have been saying this ever since I saw some of the PI's video. It clearly shows the tree that Kronk was describing that had the white board nailed to it and was bent over. This means he was definitely in the WRONG area and the video proves it imo. That police man should be put back to work he didn't do the wrong thing he was taken to the wrong area.I agree. It explains why they just temporarily reassigned him and did not discipline him. There was nothing to discipline him for because if he checked the bag Kronk described and said it was trash and obviously it was, Caylee was not in a gray and white vinyl anything , he did nothing wrong. No LE officer would be expected to go check that and see it was trash and then be expected to look at the whole area or other bags, There would be no reason at all to do that. This is very interesting indeed.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay maybe I am being argumentative tonight but I have never heard Leonard say he theorizes Lee is the father. I have heard him say she is lying about who the father is but never ,ever that Casey and Lee are Caylees parents.

To the best of my knowledge, Leonard has said out and out on NG (don't think anyone else gives him airtime) that Lee is Caylee's father.

[mu8shark]

The obvious reason (IMO) for George to lie here, is to bolster Casey's allegation that she left Caylee at the steps of Zenaida's apartment (and/or give her the option of having gone to the park where she was knocked to the ground for Zenaida and Samantha to grab Caylee). The motivation could be as simple as Casey threatening to kill Caylee. But she said at first it was the 9th and then changes it to the 16t. How could it give her the option to drop her off on the 15t. I must be totally dumb.

[javahog]

So...there is no page3359 (that appears to be a typo, as the document is continuous). There is no page 3172. There are no pages 3074-3142. I wonder why THAT big gap.

Nowhere so I see the results of the requested DNA test comparing Lee and Caylee-this was requested at the same time as dna being run on GA and CA, the results are also not present in the doc dump. The results of this request must be on the missing pages. So why would these not be released, hmmmn? (and I am not even an incest suspecter, at least until today and I saw that request! If he's not, LA should just come out and say it, because the omission raises antennae...)

And I wonder if pg 3014-3142 might be the coroner's report?

[beachbum]

Several posters asked us to "not" go there about Lee being Caylee's father months ago, so I think we dropped it.

[lorettalockhorn]

"There is also new information contained in the documents about what Orange County meter reader Roy Kronk first saw in August when he called 911 and it's unclear whether he was actually referring to the trash bag containing Caylee's remains (read transcripts).

According to the 911 call transcripts, Kronk was describing something white and a gray vinyl bag. Caylee's remains were found in a black bag with yellow handles. Kronk said he didn't investigate the bag further in August, because he saw a dead 6-foot rattlesnake not too far from it." My comment If this is true then maybe the deputy did not do anything wrong. If Kronk was alerting him to another bag which it appears he was, it looks like a totally different bag, then when the deputy said on his report it was trash, it probably was. And the deputy after looking at that bag would have no earthly reason to go into the woods and look at every single trash bag in those woods. Because white and gray vinyl is very different from a black bag with yellow handles. Maybe that is why LE did not discover it then, Kronk was describing a totally separate bag.

Kronk being afraid of a dead snake is worse than Deputy Wussy being afraid of any snake alive or dead, 6" or6'. So the issue of the color of the bag is back. Glad to have the reminder.

[mu8shark]

It's okay. I'm not saying it's proof that George lied. I just cannot see Casey leaving the Ants' late the night of the 15th all honked off, showing back up and everything is A-OK, Caylee's dressed in a jeans skirt according to George, they leave, George leaves, C&C come back, and Casey suddenly becomes murderous, changes Caylee's clothes and then kills her. So where is the jean skirt? In the laundry? Maybe those are the clothes that Casey spoke of when she commented that Caylee's clothes hadn't been found? Well if it is me and I am planning on killing my kid for revenge, I am not going in there acting mad at all, I am acting matter of fact and then when I am sure he is gone, I do it. I would not want him to be able to tell the police, Oh she came back here, she was hollering and yelling and making threats, If I were me I would try to act as normal as possible., which you gotta admit she is good at, ie parties, bars, shopping,making pasta....

[mu8shark]

Kronk being afraid of a dead snake is worse than Deputy Wussy being afraid of any snake alive or dead, 6" or6'. So the issue of the color of the bag is back. Glad to have the reminder.No but Kronk did not describe the bag Caylee was found in at all! On the calls released he describes a grey and white bag vinyl, not a black bag with yellow handles. So how could this deputy look for a black bag with yellow handles when that was not the one Kronk even described. I think we may have dogged this guy for no reason.

[javahog]

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Yes we are here to support each other. I feel like we are all friends here. We are humans. We're having normal reactions to a sad and mysterious inhuman event. It's terribly sad and upsetting. I'm glad we're here to tuff it out together.

About the sticker. Being close to Caylee as being a motive for her applying the sticker doesn't fit Casey's MO. I'm concerned about how that heart sticker got there and I am in NO WAY playing devil's advocate. It may have been on the roll of tape before she cut the tape and placed it on Caylee's mouth. Kids put those stickers on everything. Caylee may have had access to the roll of tape, maybe? Casey obviously hated Caylee and wanted her gone, most likely killed her in a rage. I just don't see her stopping to be thoughtful of the kid for a millisecond. She just doesn't come across as sentimental.

I don't think it was sentimental, as such. I think of it as more of an empty "air kiss". An absentminded "Love ya" , sauntering back to the clubs...or worse, a snotty kiss-off...

[javahog]

Several posters asked us to "not" go there about Lee being Caylee's father months ago, so I think we dropped it.

Law enforcement didn't drop it: they requested that LA's dna be compared to Casey's. The results were not released in this doc drop.

I thought the idea was nutty. Now I wonder.

[lighthousedazy]

"There is also new information contained in the documents about what Orange County meter reader Roy Kronk first saw in August when he called 911 and it's unclear whether he was actually referring to the trash bag containing Caylee's remains (read transcripts).

According to the 911 call transcripts, Kronk was describing something white and a gray vinyl bag. Caylee's remains were found in a black bag with yellow handles. Kronk said he didn't investigate the bag further in August, because he saw a dead 6-foot rattlesnake not too far from it." My comment If this is true then maybe the deputy did not do anything wrong. If Kronk was alerting him to another bag which it appears he was, it looks like a totally different bag, then when the deputy said on his report it was trash, it probably was. And the deputy after looking at that bag would have no earthly reason to go into the woods and look at every single trash bag in those woods. Because white and gray vinyl is very different from a black bag with yellow handles. Maybe that is why LE did not discover it then, Kronk was describing a totally separate bag.Totally agree. Kronk said 'white bag' or something white in August. Black bag in December. :(

[mu8shark]

So...there is no page3359 (that appears to be a typo, as the document is continuous). There is no page 3172. There are no pages 3074-3142. I wonder why THAT big gap.

Nowhere so I see the results of the requested DNA test comparing Lee and Caylee-this was requested at the same time as dna being run on GA and CA, the results are also not present in the doc dump. The results of this request must be on the missing pages. So why would these not be released, hmmmn? (and I am not even an incest suspecter, at least until today and I saw that request! If he's not, LA should just come out and say it, because the omission raises antennae...)

And I wonder if pg 3014-3142 might be the coroner's report?If Lee is not the father, LE should do him a favor and release that info. Also there is nothing mentioned so far about fingerprints, which I heard good old Janie Weintraub say it means there are no fingerprints because they did not release them. I do not agree. I have been suspicious of why the testing on the maggots results never showed up. That may be very one of their aces in the hole. Then Cindy and George can't possibly say it was food if those maggots show Caylee's dna. I know it is gross and blunt, but I wonder about those results. They sent those off a long time ago in the very first doc dump.

[lorettalockhorn]

But she said at first it was the 9th and then changes it to the 16t. How could it give her the option to drop her off on the 15t. I must be totally dumb.

Option? LOL I must be the one whos' totally dumb. The Ants went right along with the 9th until LE pointed out that the vid at with Mr. Pleasea was Father's Day/the 15th. Didn't they? Interesting that the whole family was off. hmmm Makes you wonder how George could figure out exactly when to tune in to that hour long news program on Food Network.

Seriously. The only reason that I can fathom that George would lie would be to give credence to Casey's story that she dropped Caylee off on at Zanny's. Obviously, she wouldn't have done that after the Big Fight so late the night of the 15th.

[beachbum]

Law enforcement didn't drop it: they requested that LA's dna be compared to Casey's. The results were not released in this doc drop.

I thought the idea was nutty. Now I wonder.

Anything is possible with this bunch. They are so dysfunctional. jmo

[javahog]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530350/detail.html page 3233.

This is pretty sad. in the search warrant, LE says that Cindy told them that she had items that Zanny had bought like a "flat iron". This must be the list of items Cindy believed were bought or whatever by Zanny. LE checked them for latent prints (in the hope of getting Zanny prints?) LE tried very hard to work with the situation, I believe. They could have just blown her off and refused to look...

[lighthousedazy]

Kronk being afraid of a dead snake is worse than Deputy Wussy being afraid of any snake alive or dead, 6" or6'. So the issue of the color of the bag is back. Glad to have the reminder.Loretta, I grew up in the Georgia back woods. Snakes won't bother you unless you disturb them. Yes I am scared of a rattler...Don't move....They feel the vibrations of movement and will strike.... Don't move... As I remember Kronk said white bag in August and black bag found in December. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Well if it is me and I am planning on killing my kid for revenge, I am not going in there acting mad at all, I am acting matter of fact and then when I am sure he is gone, I do it. I would not want him to be able to tell the police, Oh she came back here, she was hollering and yelling and making threats, If I were me I would try to act as normal as possible., which you gotta admit she is good at, ie parties, bars, shopping,making pasta....

Well, I'm obviously namby-pamby here, but your theory does make it seem all the more premeditated, so I likey!

[mu8shark]

I don't think it was sentimental, as such. I think of it as more of an empty "air kiss". An absentminded "Love ya" , sauntering back to the clubs...or worse, a snotty kiss-off...I agree, it absolutely fits someone dumping the body who has some kind of attachment, even a confused one. It does not fit a stranger on stranger crime . It is a way of saying Well I killed ya but going leave you with some comfort items and before anyone says that does not make sense , in a lot of cases where children are killed by parents they find them with blankets , toys, etc. In one case I think the Paula Sims case, she put if I remember correctly favorite blankets and trinkets with each of her girls bodies. I don't know if I call it remorse but an air kiss is kind of a good description because obviously it is not a loving send off but a false kind of Sorry bout that. But it is more common for people who have relationships to leave them with known or well loved items .

[javahog]

If Lee is not the father, LE should do him a favor and release that info. Also there is nothing mentioned so far about fingerprints, which I heard good old Janie Weintraub say it means there are no fingerprints because they did not release them. I do not agree. I have been suspicious of why the testing on the maggots results never showed up. That may be very one of their aces in the hole. Then Cindy and George can't possibly say it was food if those maggots show Caylee's dna. I know it is gross and blunt, but I wonder about those results. They sent those off a long time ago in the very first doc dump.

Hooh, yeah. it is tmi, but those maggots could be very important. This huge gap in the drop probably holds maggots, fingerprints, and DNA info. Janie-*snork*-there's a gap! They would at least report a negative, as the FBI does with the hair/decomp bands testing.

[lorettalockhorn]

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Yes we are here to support each other. I feel like we are all friends here. We are humans. We're having normal reactions to a sad and mysterious inhuman event. It's terribly sad and upsetting. I'm glad we're here to tuff it out together.

About the sticker. Being close to Caylee as being a motive for her applying the sticker doesn't fit Casey's MO. I'm concerned about how that heart sticker got there and I am in NO WAY playing devil's advocate. It may have been on the roll of tape before she cut the tape and placed it on Caylee's mouth. Kids put those stickers on everything. Caylee may have had access to the roll of tape, maybe? Casey obviously hated Caylee and wanted her gone, most likely killed her in a rage. I just don't see her stopping to be thoughtful of the kid for a millisecond. She just doesn't come across as sentimental.

If Casey put that heart sticker on the duct tape, it was as a smirk.

[mu8shark]

Well, I'm obviously namby-pamby here, but you're theory does make it seem all the more premeditated, so I likey! Yeah because only in my opinion I don't think she killed her in a full on rage like on that tape when she says let me talk. I think she really, really did it calmly, probably talked on the phone while the chloroform was taking effect. I somehow see Casey as someone who could fix a sandwich and have a coke and talk on the phone while her child is dying.

[lorettalockhorn]

So...there is no page3359 (that appears to be a typo, as the document is continuous). There is no page 3172. There are no pages 3074-3142. I wonder why THAT big gap.

Nowhere so I see the results of the requested DNA test comparing Lee and Caylee-this was requested at the same time as dna being run on GA and CA, the results are also not present in the doc dump. The results of this request must be on the missing pages. So why would these not be released, hmmmn? (and I am not even an incest suspecter, at least until today and I saw that request! If he's not, LA should just come out and say it, because the omission raises antennae...)

And I wonder if pg 3014-3142 might be the coroner's report?

Makes sense that the ME's report would be pages and pages. Good work. What is missing from the public documents could be every bit as or more important as what is there.

[beachbum]

I'm not sure BB when they had the fight. It may have been the night before father's day, 15th? Father's day Cindy took Caylee to see the great grandfather at the nursing home.

There is one thing that kind of exonerates Cindy (IMO) and that is, she confronted her lies and got so angry she choked her. This tells me that Cindy didn't need anyone to tell her that Casey is a liar. After the fact, she acted like Casey could not hurt Caylee and tried to shove it down every one's throat. She couldn't entertain the fact that Caylee could be dead and attacked anyone who said so, including her brother. So these two parts of Cindy melted into the person she is today. She's still in shock/denial and I believe she isn't in the condition to give the child a decent farewell. She has to be in total psychosis at this point in time. It appeared to me that in the last vidoe we saw where she is falling apart, that she was pretty drugged up. IMO

Not sure why they are putting off the funeral for the baby but you know that is going to be the hardest thing next to the Liars trial and its oh so final...the funeral.

[mu8shark]

Option? LOL I must be the one whos' totally dumb. The Ants went right along with the 9th until LE pointed out that the vid at with Mr. Pleasea was Father's Day/the 5th. Didn't they? Interesting that the whole family was off. hmmm Makes you wonder how George could figure out exactly when to tune in to that hour long news program on Food Network.

Seriously. The only reason that I can fathom that George would lie would be to give credence to Casey's story that she dropped Caylee off on at Zanny's. Obviously, she wouldn't have done that after the Big Fight so late the night of the 15th. This does bring up a new question for me though. Doesn't Casey claim she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass early in the morning and not the afternoon? If so then George's story kind of disproves hers. If Casey supposedly told LE she dropped Caylee off say at 9 am befroe she went to work and then George saw them leave the house at 1 pm on the same day, then Georges story catches Casey in a major lie because George asserts Caylee was with her and they left in the afternoon. Does anyone know whether Casey asserts it was am or in afternoon?

[lorettalockhorn]

Several posters asked us to "not" go there about Lee being Caylee's father months ago, so I think we dropped it.

I think I was leading that parade. I've never thought that Caylee's paternity was important, especially since it would appear that Casey acted alone. But I suppose it's possible that she had help after the murder. Maybe even for the purpose of hiding paternity or the circumstances. Of course that's idiotic. But so is Casey's whole tale.

[mu8shark]

I'm not sure BB when they had the fight. It may have been the night before father's day, 15th? Father's day Cindy took Caylee to see the great grandfather at the nursing home.

There is one thing that kind of exonerates Cindy (IMO) and that is, she confronted her lies and got so angry she choked her. This tells me that Cindy didn't need anyone to tell her that Casey is a liar. After the fact, she acted like Casey could not hurt Caylee and tried to shove it down every one's throat. She couldn't entertain the fact that Caylee could be dead and attacked anyone who said so, including her brother. So these two parts of Cindy melted into the person she is today. She's still in shock/denial and I believe she isn't in the condition to give the child a decent farewell. She has to be in total psychosis at this point in time. It appeared to me that in the last vidoe we saw where she is falling apart, that she was pretty drugged up. IMO If I remember correctly the fight was after Cindy got back from Mt Dora seeing her Dad and this makes sense because Ricks says when Cindy and Caylee were at Mt Dora, Shirley laid into CIndy about the money and prosecuting Casey for it. So Cindy went home and tore Casey a new one. I think June 16 was a Monday as Caseys story is she dropped her off before work. And I believe the neighbor heard the yelling on Fathers day nighte

[mu8shark]

Wow, this is really testing my left brain and my right brain wants to know what the hell!!!! In order to place that sticker directly on the mouth area of Caylee, she had to coherently, methodically chose it, peel it off the sheet of stickies, carefully apply it to the duct tape, and it's making me sick.

I can't take it. :flamemad:Yes, yes you absolutely found the word I was searching for to describe her killing that child , methodical. Only her story was not so good.....

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, I grew up in the Georgia back woods. Snakes won't bother you unless you disturb them. Yes I am scared of a rattler...Don't move....They feel the vibrations of movement and will strike.... Don't move... As I remember Kronk said white bag in August and black bag found in December. :shrug:

We have rattlers here too. And water moccasins. One moved into one of my ponds. So much for just sticking my bare hand in there to do housekeeping!

Anyway, I've never understood how we're supposed to accept that the bag changed colors. (Kinda like I'm not sure how we're supposed to now think that Caylee's skull got back into that color changing bag.)

[mu8shark]

The only thing I can come up with is, revenge. Perhaps Jose is going to tell the world that Casey did a bad to Zanny and she had motive. She stole money, or a man from Zanny... blahblahblah.. Well Cindy and George were kind of getting at this in one of the jail tapes asking her if she took someone from somebody and maybe somebody was punishing her or something to that effect. Of course in the tape she says no but who knows if Jose will come up with that as the other half of the story??

[javahog]

Makes sense that the ME's report would be pages and pages. Good work. What is missing from the public documents could be every bit as or more important as what is there.

Aww, thanks! and you didn't even point out my typo in the last line (3074, not 3014)!

[Justice Denied?]

Didnt the neighbors report hearing alot of yelling that evening, I believe that would be the evening Cindy confronted Casey about stealing money from her parents and Cindy was reported choking Casey.This would have been Fathers Day, the same day of the video of Caylee singing at the nursing home. I dont think Casey stayed there that night, I figure she grabbed what she could and stormed out with Caylee. jmo

Do we know for sure that Casey took Caylee and left that night? Where did she go? Where did she spend the night? What time did she get back? Another thing I have wondered is, if Casey was planning to be gone for a month or more, why didn't she take clothes with her?

[lorettalockhorn]

This does bring up a new question for me though. Doesn't Casey claim she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass early in the morning and not the afternoon? If so then George's story kind of disproves hers. If Casey supposedly told LE she dropped Caylee off say at 9 am befroe she went to work and then George saw them leave the house at 1 pm on the same day, then Georges story catches Casey in a major lie because George asserts Caylee was with her and they left in the afternoon. Does anyone know whether Casey asserts it was am or in afternoon?

Sounds whack, but what I remember is that she told LE that she dropped Caylee off between 9am and 1pm. Helloooooo? She couldn't narrow it down for them?

Someone will correct me if this was updated. (Or if I dreamed this.)

[mu8shark]

We have rattlers here too. And water moccasins. One moved into one of my ponds. So much for just sticking my bare hand in there to do housekeeping!

Anyway, I've never understood how we're supposed to accept that the bag changed colors. (Kinda like I'm not sure how we're supposed to now think that Caylee's skull got back into that color changing bag.) No I don't think LE is going to assert the bag changed colors but that the deputy checked a totally different bag and it was trash. You know I was struck by the fact that on that video of the PI there were plenty of bags out there that were not Caylees body because he poked at tons of them. I don't know about others but I find it totally reasonable that the first bag Kronk was describing was a white bag and it was trash and in Dec he took another look and saw a second bag and it was Caylee. He never says on that tape it was the very same bag I saw before.

[lorettalockhorn]

Aww, thanks! and you didn't even point out my typo in the last line (3074, not 3014)!

A) My own 1 (one) doesn't work, so who am I to point a finger? and, B) If this was one of the soap boards, I'd be all over your arse. :hat:

[mu8shark]

Do we know for sure that Casey took Caylee and left that night? Where did she go? Where did she spend the night? What time did she get back? Another thing I have wondered is, if Casey was planning to be gone for a month or more, why didn't she take clothes with her? Well Loretta and I deduced I think earlier since she was going to kill Caylee the backpacks maybe had stuff for Casey. Also I think Casey went back to the house in between. In some of the emails Grandma mentions that Casey is sending friends to get stuff for her and it is invasion of CIndy and Georges privacy but I bet Casey told her Mom that and she was sneaking in and getting stuff. We know she was home on the 24th and was in the neighborhood on the 20th. I am sure she had a key and could just get stuff with Cindy and George at work which reminds me, have we talked about that both Cindy and George were definitely at work when the searches were done? A really big plus if Casey was planning on throwing George under the bus?

[javahog]

Sounds whack, but what I remember is that she told LE that she dropped Caylee off between 9am and 1pm. Helloooooo? She couldn't narrow it down for them?

Someone will correct me if this was updated. (Or if I dreamed this.)

Aren't they lucky she told them that much? I mean, hey, they are so full of **** that sorry, they should get nothing. This was beyond frustrating.

Oh, sorry, I was channeling there.

[Justice Denied?]

I have a few comments about all this info. So correct me if I am wrong the stuffed animal was found at another address right? Not at the Anthonys so was it then just perhaps a stuffed animal totally unrelated to the case, because it does not sound like it was in the bag or anything but at another address on Hopespring? Am I getting that right? The maggots could have Caylees dna in them, it is very possible. Maybe this is something they did not release. I saw documents where they sent that test off but no return test in documents. Also this knife, I wonder what kind of knife. And the nasty stains , would you not think it they were blood they would say possible bloodstains. Also no meat or pizza which we knew but good to see and Dr Lee was full of it.

And did you catch the fact that there was no odor of composition in or around the garbage bag from the trunk? What does that do to Cindy's story?

[mu8shark]

Sounds whack, but what I remember is that she told LE that she dropped Caylee off between 9am and 1pm. Helloooooo? She couldn't narrow it down for them?

Someone will correct me if this was updated. (Or if I dreamed this.) Okay I reread the interview and she never gave a time and they never asked. They were specific about what time she went to pick her up but they went from so you dropped her off before work to asking about after work. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

And did you catch the fact that there was no odor of composition in or around the garbage bag from the trunk? What does that do to Cindy's story? I am confused are you asking why there was no smell around the bag when they finally found it or.... I am unclear here sorry.

[mu8shark]

Having a banana muffin, dog is not getting a bite, you all know what happened last night when I gave him a bite..... phew....

[mu8shark]

wait a minute. I have to re read this for the third time. (I know I'm tired but,,)
Why would there be decomp in the bag, from the trunk? Shouldnt there be decmp in the trunk from the bag? Or do you mean she decomposed in the trunk and was later placed in the bag? Or should I go to bed and re read this in the morning and :punch: myself for writing this post? Yeah I am confused too

[mu8shark]

When Leonard was talking tonight he went after the color of the bag again. I had a theory in the moment that he may have been trying to imply that the bag was white when kronk first saw it then it was black because it may have been put into the black plastic bag at a later time. ???? Anyway NG didn't let him elaborate because he did a bad and tooted his horn earlier. She was brutal tonight.


I want a banana split. I had to settle for rice pudding. I'm going night night.
:seeya: No I think he was going to point out the deputy looked at a totally different bag in Aug and the one Kronk called about was not the right bag at all but yes Nancy cut him off, kind of wonder why she did not zero in on this. Maybe tomorrow she will. I feel really bad for this deputy.

[sharlock]

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Yes we are here to support each other. I feel like we are all friends here. We are humans. We're having normal reactions to a sad and mysterious inhuman event. It's terribly sad and upsetting. I'm glad we're here to tuff it out together.

About the sticker. Being close to Caylee as being a motive for her applying the sticker doesn't fit Casey's MO. I'm concerned about how that heart sticker got there and I am in NO WAY playing devil's advocate. It may have been on the roll of tape before she cut the tape and placed it on Caylee's mouth. Kids put those stickers on everything. Caylee may have had access to the roll of tape, maybe? Casey obviously hated Caylee and wanted her gone, most likely killed her in a rage. I just don't see her stopping to be thoughtful of the kid for a millisecond. She just doesn't come across as sentimental.
I am a bit upset about the knife found at the crime scene. I hope it was only for the tape and that she didn't cut that little girl. The sticker thing to me is totally Casey. She lives in a fantasy world of her own creation and while she couldn't give a Sh** about Caylee's needs and wants Caylee did have a place in her fantasy most of it bad but some would be good. She made Casey look responsible and together. Friends commented on how together Casey was to deal with a child and a job and be so nice GAG! She loved a sleeping or dead Caylee a lot more than an awake and demanding one imo.

[Justice Denied?]

I am confused are you asking why there was no smell around the bag when they finally found it or.... I am unclear here sorry.

Cindy kept saying that the smell in the car was pizza. Well, now the police say there was no pizza and no odor from the bag. What story can Cindy tell now?

[sharlock]

The other thought I had was maybe Caylee was alive when the taqpe went on and Casey was making a game of it. Let's be quiet. Could Caylee have put the sticker on her own mouth?

[sharlock]

Cindy kept saying that the smell in the car was pizza. Well, now the police say there was no pizza and no odor from the bag. What story can Cindy tell now?
That fact came out long ago and Cindy just kept sticking to her story. IMO she doesn't listen to evidence that doesn't support what she wants to believe.

[lorettalockhorn]

No I don't think LE is going to assert the bag changed colors but that the deputy checked a totally different bag and it was trash. You know I was struck by the fact that on that video of the PI there were plenty of bags out there that were not Caylees body because he poked at tons of them. I don't know about others but I find it totally reasonable that the first bag Kronk was describing was a white bag and it was trash and in Dec he took another look and saw a second bag and it was Caylee. He never says on that tape it was the very same bag I saw before.

Did I miss the boat (again)? I could have sworn that Kronk was tracking the very same bag those three days in August and then again in December. And always wondered how.

Don't get me wrong. I am so glad, so very glad that Caylee was found, but somehow I smell a rat.

But hey, what would you guys do without a naysayer?

[mu8shark]

Cindy kept saying that the smell in the car was pizza. Well, now the police say there was no pizza and no odor from the bag. What story can Cindy tell now? Oh I get it, Yeah well as usual Cindy is lying . She was lying to begin with because she said on LKL she saw the bag and there was a pizza, she saw it.!!! She never even saw the bag at all.!!! George and the tow truck managers statement says it was the two of them , George and the tow yard manager out there and Cindy was haggling in the office about the price. She was not out there, so short of her jumping in the trash bin that the ty manager threw it in, how would she have known anyways? But she made that claim anyhow.

[mu8shark]

Did I miss the boat (again)? I could have sworn that Kronk was tracking the very same bag those three days in August and then again in December. And always wondered how.

Don't get me wrong. I am so glad, so very glad that Caylee was found, but somehow I smell a rat.

But hey, what would you guys do without a naysayer? He never says on the tape it is the same bag and if he thought it was , turns out he was wrong because according to what they released he said a white and grey bag and she was found in a black and with yellow handle. . I am just saying everybody has been on the deputys ass, probably including me for not checking and if he checked the bag referred to on the tape, it was not the black bag. Actually early on someone on here said maybe it was a different bag but none of us were having any of that . LOL. Maybe we should have listened and I don't remember who it was.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes very hard. I know that when a traumatic thing happens, some people go into shock and stay in it for a time. While in that state they can actually continue to believe the person is not dead. They may refuse to acknowledge it. I don't see how a person can stay in it this long, but :shrug:

Wakes and funerals as we all know) are part of the grief process and it helps us through the last stage, "acceptance" somehow, though the first 4 stages might keep insisting that we close a revolving door. Other than the fact that Cindy is unable to deal with a funeral right now, I can't imagine what is holding up the service. I may be giving her too much credit when I think of the people she dis-invited to the funeral. I may need one of these, :punch:

You don't need :punch: . You need :beer: . Seriously, Cindy needs counseling, either from the funeral home; those guys are grief professionals, or from bona fide psych types.

[SaraSidle]

I want to tell you how to fix your PC but I don't trust myself. ;)
As for the coffee? I'm a coffee head, with a RI accent it'd be CAWFFEE. When I get up in the morning and anyone tries to talk to me before coffee, I do not retain a word they say. I warn them to wait. After coffee, I am SOLOMON.
:seeya:

way too many Soloman's on this thread. LOL I love the eastern accent. Any chance I can move there and get a job? My whole family is out east

[mu8shark]

Also my cousin had an excellent point about this guys thought process regarding why he did not keep checking that area until Dec. I had forgot that at some point on tv they went on and on about the pings by the airport. I believe it was after the middle of August. All they talked about as far as searching were those particular pings. After the deputy looked at the bag and and said trash, Old Roy probably heard about those pings and thought, "Oh well , they will probably find her where these pings are. " It was not until Nov really till TES was able to research and check that ping area. So after they found zero in November around the airport pings and he was reassigned he probably got nosy again and thought she could be in the neighborhood. But there was so much talk about those pings, I think lots of us thought she was out there, so why would Kronk not think the same thing and drop it until after November.? I can't take credit for it, my cousin pointed it out.

[mu8shark]

I am a bit upset about the knife found at the crime scene. I hope it was only for the tape and that she didn't cut that little girl. The sticker thing to me is totally Casey. She lives in a fantasy world of her own creation and while she couldn't give a Sh** about Caylee's needs and wants Caylee did have a place in her fantasy most of it bad but some would be good. She made Casey look responsible and together. Friends commented on how together Casey was to deal with a child and a job and be so nice GAG! She loved a sleeping or dead Caylee a lot more than an awake and demanding one imo. I have a little confession to make in the very back of my mind I am wondering about that knife too. My common sense tells me that knife was used to cut the duct tape , but there is a part of me that wonders if the nasty stain was blood and what about the other 11 stains? Could she have stabbed this child and thus LE says they have strong evidence it was done on purpose? But I still think that is far fetched and it is probably a knife to cut the tape.

[mu8shark]

way too many Soloman's on this thread. LOL I love the eastern accent. Any chance I can move there and get a job? My whole family is out eastWell if you mean we are judging on this thread, we probably are, but what is wrong with us saying "I would not lie to cover up for a killer, no matter what the reason?What is wrong with saying I would not tell that lie. I would want her punished. It is just a matter of whether you think some lies are justified because of grief or craziness or psychosis or to get someone off, And I do not think just for me personally I could justify lying and you can't deny she Cindy lied. Not trying to be nasty but what would be wrong with saying that?Wasn't Solomon known for his wisdom?

[SaraSidle]

Yes Jav! There are some Western meds that should not be mixed with herbs. One is St John's Wort. Wonderful thing that is. I'm listening to you about the old ways and the bad cures. Many cultures do restore themselves with the natural ways though, and given Japan's low rate of cancer, belief in antioxidants and acupuncture, I'll look at that as a good thing. Cancer in this country is a gazzillion dollar enterprise. Japan has the cure and it costs (at this time) 34.00 dollars a month. It's called IP6 and I've seen it work in my own family. Oncologists called it spontaneous remission. LOL!

Your experience with anthropology is, (DO I have that right?) fascinating stuff.
please do not lose track of me. my entire family both sides have died of cancer. Yes Java is so cool and I really enjoy reading her posts. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Aren't they lucky she told them that much? I mean, hey, they are so full of **** that sorry, they should get nothing. This was beyond frustrating.

Oh, sorry, I was channeling there.

Okay, is it possible to literally laugh your ass off? Cause I could be well on my way to being twiggy here! :hat:

[SaraSidle]

Holy Mackeral. It's icy cold here. It's 36 degrees now and it's going down to 26! Were going to have a hard freeze which means it will be at that temp for a minimum of six hours. I have a sweater and I have gloves, I need to find a pair of closed toed shoes for tomorrow. I'm worried about my frogs in the cold. I've closd my hurricane shutters to try to keep the cold out.

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Gator in Sunny Orlando ?

p.s. Watching that new tv show LIE TO ME. The Anthony family motto.

I am hoping you have space for the rest of us who are up north from you. we will warm up your frogs

[SaraSidle]

Gator I feel for you. We had 19 this morning and I don't think it made it up to 40 today. The low the other day was 10 degrees. I am not used to highs in the 30's. I am in the sunny south also - central part of SC. :)

40 LHD We may have to come visit you 10 here with 4 feet of snow. had I known where you were before we would definitely been down thee.

[SaraSidle]

I feel for u both. You's can blame me-probably pushing down our canadian air. We had -30 one day last week with the windchill brrrrrr. Tips-hot bath,throw your jammies in the dryer and a cozy bath towel. Have your DH bring it in when done your steamy bath. When all cools down sit you hiney down with a heating pad. Thats what i have been doing today but i have a mild virus :rose:

Beem I think the best part is when you get out of the shower or bath DH brings you your sweats that have been in the dryer. Especially if you have a virus. way too nice. wish it was April

[SaraSidle]

The emails are worth reading to me. Alot of confirmation in them about the family. Cindy's brother and mother are not in denial and have pretty much come up with the same scenarios that we have. I agree with Rick and just dont understand why Cindy is in such denial. For God's sake this is her granddaughter that she raised, loved and cared for daily.

your last sentence may be your answer. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Thanks Lighthousedazy. Awww the comforts aye? Feeling better as the day goes. DH had it-short duration. I am comforted by the fact the Liar will never know life's little pleasures ever again.:rose: The sticker is killing me too.:rose:

;hey beem. you talkin the heart sticker? I have been wanting to be sick to my stomach all day since I heard that. DH came home from work and just knew I had heard something bad. I am trying so hard not to picture it. Please keep reminding me in the future I do not not not do kids.

[sharlock]

Well Cindy and George were kind of getting at this in one of the jail tapes asking her if she took someone from somebody and maybe somebody was punishing her or something to that effect. Of course in the tape she says no but who knows if Jose will come up with that as the other half of the story??
He can try but Casey already said that she was protecting them BUT NOT FROM ANYTHING THAT SHE HAD DONE! Yeah right Casey.
The more I think about the heart the more I think it was put on the tape to stop Caylee from being scared about it. She tried to pretty it up so Caylee would let her without screaming and the way she put on that duct tape makes me think that she never had any intention of removing it.

[sharlock]

Makes sense that the ME's report would be pages and pages. Good work. What is missing from the public documents could be every bit as or more important as what is there.
None of the info from these motions has been included yet and most telling nor has anything to do with Annie Downing but the defense haven't asked for that!:cool:
Motion to Compel Release of Investigative Interviews of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony

Motion to Compel Timeline, Communications and Related Notes of Law Enforcement's Interviw with Anthony Lazzaro

Motion to Compel any and all Polygraphs Which the Defense Has Previously Requested and Been Awarded

Motion to Compel DNA Reports for George, Cindy and Lee Anthony

Motion to Compel Fingerprint Report for George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony

Motion to Compel Investigative Reports on Zenaida Gonzalez

[sharlock]

He never says on the tape it is the same bag and if he thought it was , turns out he was wrong because according to what they released he said a white and grey bag and she was found in a black and with yellow handle. . I am just saying everybody has been on the deputys ass, probably including me for not checking and if he checked the bag referred to on the tape, it was not the black bag. Actually early on someone on here said maybe it was a different bag but none of us were having any of that . LOL. Maybe we should have listened and I don't remember who it was.
me:tongue:

[mu8shark]

He can try but Casey already said that she was protecting them BUT NOT FROM ANYTHING THAT SHE HAD DONE! Yeah right Casey.
The more I think about the heart the more I think it was put on the tape to stop Caylee from being scared about it. She tried to pretty it up so Caylee would let her without screaming and the way she put on that duct tape makes me think that she never had any intention of removing it. That is such a great point for premeditation. I mean any person knows you don't want to have to pull that off from the hair , unless..... you did not intend on ever taking it off!

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, thanks mu. You're right. So then George saw them last on Monday.
nodding my head.

We know that Father's Day was the 15th, and the neighbors have testified about the shouting match (that was allegedly the choking incident) that led Casey to take Caylee sometime late that night.

[mu8shark]

me:tongue: Shoulda listened! Because I think you hit the nail on the head! I was really surprised that when the PI video was shown there were so many plastic bags so it is outside the realm there could be quite a few there!

[lorettalockhorn]

He never says on the tape it is the same bag and if he thought it was , turns out he was wrong because according to what they released he said a white and grey bag and she was found in a black and with yellow handle. . I am just saying everybody has been on the deputys ass, probably including me for not checking and if he checked the bag referred to on the tape, it was not the black bag. Actually early on someone on here said maybe it was a different bag but none of us were having any of that . LOL. Maybe we should have listened and I don't remember who it was.

I haven't listened to/read whatever was released today, yet. But I will, because I was seriously under the impression from what I had read before, that Kronk was tracking the same bag August through December.

[mu8shark]

He can try but Casey already said that she was protecting them BUT NOT FROM ANYTHING THAT SHE HAD DONE! Yeah right Casey.
The more I think about the heart the more I think it was put on the tape to stop Caylee from being scared about it. She tried to pretty it up so Caylee would let her without screaming and the way she put on that duct tape makes me think that she never had any intention of removing it.
Well if Baez is going with the nonexistent nanny , he better not add to the debacle and say we don't have to prove motive or who knows why? Maybe the nanny just was a crazy woman! As I said ,legally you don't need motive but as a juror if you are trying to sell me the nanny did it, you better tell me why! My cousin thinks that maybe they will try to say that Zanny's real name was not Zenaida Gonzalez and she was an illegal with a different name. I don't know ,Casey I think said she was born here. There are problems with an alternate story of any kind coming in without evidence and testimony to back it up. If he does a closing argument about the nanny story, I am jumping up and saying, "Assumes facts not in evidence your honor." And I will jump up and say it again and again. Besides he has to have some foundation for this theory.

[sharlock]

Okay, thanks mu. You're right. So then George saw them last on Monday.
nodding my head.
I don't understand though why Shirley didn't tell police that when they came to see her?

[mu8shark]

I haven't listened to/read whatever was released today, yet. But I will, because I was seriously under the impression from what I had read before, that Kronk was tracking the same bag August through December. lNot according to the article posted on here, in the 911 call he describes a white and grey vinyl bag and on NG and in the doc dump Caylee was found in a black bag with yellow handles. I am just going by what was posted on here , Funny thing is way back in December before we knew what Caylee was found in another site posted a poll that said was the bag the meter reader saw in August the same bag? I don't think anyone on here even considered that but Sharlock.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well if you mean we are judging on this thread, we probably are, but what is wrong with us saying "I would not lie to cover up for a killer, no matter what the reason?What is wrong with saying I would not tell that lie. I would want her punished. It is just a matter of whether you think some lies are justified because of grief or craziness or psychosis or to get someone off, And I do not think just for me personally I could justify lying and you can't deny she Cindy lied. Not trying to be nasty but what would be wrong with saying that?Wasn't Solomon known for his wisdom?

I've been singled out for being judgmental (and for jeering Cindy) and wimp that I am, I do think that we all wax arbitrary here. Nothing wrong with that; it's exactly what the jury will do. We're just getting a jump start.

[sharlock]

I don't understand though why Shirley didn't tell police that when they came to see her?
Well scratch that, I think Cindy rang Shirley and said to keep it just between them as she later reiterated to her brother.

[SaraSidle]

Okay maybe I am being argumentative tonight but I have never heard Leonard say he theorizes Lee is the father. I have heard him say she is lying about who the father is but never ,ever that Casey and Lee are Caylees parents.

you are not being argumentative and I think most of us are burned out by this whole case. mu I respect you very much but this has been so bad. so many details and documents it is making me not want to even look at any of the message board sites anymore. Like I have gotten to the point I do not want to hear anymore. We know all we need to know. yes leonard said they thought Lee was the father of Caylee on an earlier NG show but I am pretty sure no one believed him. that is all I remember. hang in there. I am too depressed so I learn from your posts. the heart thing today pretty much did it for me. just give her the DP and get it over with.

[sharlock]

Well if Baez is going with the nonexistent nanny , he better not add to the debacle and say we don't have to prove motive or who knows why? Maybe the nanny just was a crazy woman! As I said ,legally you don't need motive but as a juror if you are trying to sell me the nanny did it, you better tell me why! My cousin thinks that maybe they will try to say that Zanny's real name was not Zenaida Gonzalez and she was an illegal with a different name. I don't know ,Casey I think said she was born here. There are problems with an alternate story of any kind coming in without evidence and testimony to back it up. If he does a closing argument about the nanny story, I am jumping up and saying, "Assumes facts not in evidence your honor." And I will jump up and say it again and again. Besides he has to have some foundation for this theory.
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Oh please do!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

lNot according to the article posted on here, in the 911 call he describes a white and grey vinyl bag and on NG and in the doc dump Caylee was found in a black bag with yellow handles. I am just going by what was posted on here , Funny thing is way back in December before we knew what Caylee was found in another site posted a poll that said was the bag the meter reader saw in August the same bag? I don't think anyone on here even considered that but Sharlock.

Yes. He describes the bag as white (and gray?). Then Caylee is found in a black bag. But he is insistent with his calls because of his full bladder/bounty hunterness that makes him continue to call despite the fact that he wants to remain anonymous and professionals blow him off because of the fear of snakes.

[mu8shark]

Yes. He describes the bag as white (and gray?). Then Caylee is found in a black bag. But he is insistent with his calls because of his full bladder/bounty hunterness that makes him continue to call despite the fact that he wants to remain anonymous and professionals blow him off because of the fear of snakes.
Well here is my take on it, he kept calling till he at least got a deputy out there and that was not until his third call. And he never changes his call to a black bag so what he was talking about probably was exactly what the deputy said it was trash in a white bag. A few sharp people suspected this , I wasn't one of them LOL. . I think my cousin is right after we had to hear ad nauseam about those airport pings which I believe came out in late August, it did not occur to him to go back there plus he route was changed. In November those airport pings were checked out and he saw a different bag in December and got curious again because obviously the airport pings did not pan out, but nobody knew they did not pan out till Nov when TES finally got to search the airport area. PS I am thinking the gray is the ties on the bag I have bought a brand white with gray ties.

[SaraSidle]

Also my cousin had an excellent point about this guys thought process regarding why he did not keep checking that area until Dec. I had forgot that at some point on tv they went on and on about the pings by the airport. I believe it was after the middle of August. All they talked about as far as searching were those particular pings. After the deputy looked at the bag and and said trash, Old Roy probably heard about those pings and thought, "Oh well , they will probably find her where these pings are. " It was not until Nov really till TES was able to research and check that ping area. So after they found zero in November around the airport pings and he was reassigned he probably got nosy again and thought she could be in the neighborhood. But there was so much talk about those pings, I think lots of us thought she was out there, so why would Kronk not think the same thing and drop it until after November.? I can't take credit for it, my cousin pointed it out.

for the reward alone I would have been a lot more serious in August. Not kidding. I think Kronk LE and Pis have really let the family, country and our dear Equusearch down big time. DOes anyone have any idea how much money was put into these searches????? If I had any money I would donate but we are buying food on returnables. this has been one major f up since the beginning and after hearing about the stickers today I am sick. I hope the do the DP and I might lurk now and then but I am through with caring anymore It has taken way too much out of me. I will be at CL stiill

[lorettalockhorn]

Well here is my take on it, he kept calling till he at least got a deputy out there and that was not until his third call. And he never changes his call to a black bag so what he was talking about probably was exactly what the deputy said it was trash in a white bag. A few sharp people suspected this , I wasn't one of them LOL. . I think my cousin is right after we had to hear ad nauseam about those airport pings which I believe came out in late August, it did not occur to him to go back there plus he route was changed. In November those airport pings were checked out and he saw a different bag in December and got curious again because obviously the airport pings did not pan out, but nobody knew they did not pan out till Nov when TES finally got to search the airport area. PS I am thinking the gray is the ties on the bag I have bought a brand white with gray ties.

Gawd, I'll be mad if this meter reader makes me actually believe in LP's Daisy Chain Theory. It's not enough that Kronk has some sort of miraculous sense about one bag, now we've got to believe that he has ESP or a gut feeling or whatever about a second bag? PUHLEEZ I am so praying that whatever he testifies to is clear-cut and succinct. Because I want so badly for this guy to be the hero here.

[sharlock]

Fox has pages the others don't.
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[mu8shark]

Gawd, I'll be mad if this meter reader makes me actually believe in LP's Daisy Chain Theory. It's not enough that Kronk has some sort of miraculous sense about one bag, now we've got to believe that he has ESP or a gut feeling or whatever about a second bag? PUHLEEZ I am so praying that whatever he testifies to is clear-cut and succinct. Because I want so badly for this guy to be the hero here. So what is the theory that the meter reader moved the body or somehow changed bags? Also on Sara, he was serious in August!. If the deputy is telling the truth and he did check out the white bag after all the 911 tape does not say to check out a black bag , how can you guys fault him? He can't tell the deputy well ya checked that white bag out I saw and it was trash so now go in the woods and look at every single bag., in fact look at every trash bag on the block. That does not make sense at all. I may be totally wrong here but I do not see this meter reader involved in any murder or body dumping or body moving so I guess I don't get what you all are getting at or how he is being blamed for not finding the black bag in Aug. You know he is a private citizen, right?

[SaraSidle]

Well if you mean we are judging on this thread, we probably are, but what is wrong with us saying "I would not lie to cover up for a killer, no matter what the reason?What is wrong with saying I would not tell that lie. I would want her punished. It is just a matter of whether you think some lies are justified because of grief or craziness or psychosis or to get someone off, And I do not think just for me personally I could justify lying and you can't deny she Cindy lied. Not trying to be nasty but what would be wrong with saying that?Wasn't Solomon known for his wisdom?

MU I am so sorry you took it the wrong way. Of course I want her punished and in the worst way. I have been on the case since the start and you know that. my puter was down for 2 months but I was on it. NC GVS and geraldo and anyone. but you know what other than CA getting the death penalty I have to give it up. I cryed all day and I cannot keep doing that. the stickers are the final straw for me and I cannot do kids.
I am letting you know this because you have great posts and I respect you. I may lurk once in a while but that is all you will get on this thread. sara

[mu8shark]

MU I am so sorry you took it the wrong way. Of course I want her punished and in the worst way. I have been on the case since the start and you know that. my puter was down for 2 months but I was on it. NC GVS and geraldo and anyone. but you know what other than CA getting the death penalty I have to give it up. I cryed all day and I cannot keep doing that. the stickers are the final straw for me and I cannot do kids.
I am letting you know this because you have great posts and I respect you. I may lurk once in a while but that is all you will get on this thread. sara

Oh its all good. Most of us are probably blaming the wrong person. I am probably blaming Cindy too much and others are nailing the meter reader . It's all good. I can't wait for trial.

[lorettalockhorn]

So what is the theory that the meter reader moved the body or somehow changed bags? Also on Sara, he was serious in August!. If the deputy is telling the truth and he did check out the white bag after all the 911 tape does not say to check out a black bag , how can you guys fault him? He can't tell the deputy well ya checked that white bag out I saw and it was trash so now go in the woods and look at every single bag., in fact look at every trash bag on the block. That does not make sense at all. I may be totally wrong here but I do not see this meter reader involved in any murder or body dumping or body moving so I guess I don't get what you all are getting at or how he is being blamed for not finding the black bag in Aug. You know he is a private citizen, right?

I don't pay a lot of attention to the guy who's more hat than gray matter, but I think what he's trying to convince us, is that because of Kronk's nebulous connections to the Anthonys', he was sent in once, twice, three, four (at least) times to lead LE to Caylee's body in the hopes that she would be found while Casey was in jail. As if that would mean that Caylee wasn't dumped like so much garbage before Casey went to jail.

One of the problems that I have with Kronk is that every time that he calls, he is certain that whatever (bag) he sees is related to the case. Not to mention that he cannot keep his mouth shut and has a presser and goes on GMA. And then to top it off, is now claiming that what he saw in August was Caylee's skull, and has apparently taken money that came from the Ants albeit in a round about way.

What's wrong with just making certain that he could be on-hand for LE to have taken his call(s) seriously and investigated it? And to have kept his mouth shut until he testified? Aint' fittin'. Just ain't fittin".

[mu8shark]

I don't pay a lot of attention to the guy who's more hat than gray matter, but I think what he's trying to convince us, is that because of Kronk's nebulous connections to the Anthonys', he was sent in once, twice, three, four (at least) times to lead LE to Caylee's body in the hopes that she would be found while Casey was in jail. As if that would mean that Caylee wasn't dumped like so much garbage before Casey went to jail.

One of the problems that I have with Kronk is that every time that he calls, he is certain that whatever (bag) he sees is related to the case. Not to mention that he cannot keep his mouth shut and has a presser and goes on GMA. And then to top it off, is now claiming that what he saw in August was Caylee's skull, and has apparently taken money that came from the Ants albeit in a round about way.

What's wrong with just making certain that he could be on-hand for LE to have taken his call(s) seriously and investigated it? And to have kept his mouth shut until he testified? Aint' fittin'. Just ain't fittin".But the body was found when she was in jail. ! But that is not going to get her off. Surely the PI and George as a policeman would not think just because the body was found in August the police would automatically assume she was dumped there in August. And if someone was leading him to the bag why didn't they even know the right color of the bag? Surely someone in the know would say she is in a black bag , not just look for any bag. And Kronk does not say I know it is Caylee in August, He in fact says, I am not saying it is Caylee. If there is some kind of a daisy chain, it was by someone who knew very little about the actual dump site and the bag. . It was in the wrong area with the wrong bag. I think LE has checked him out pretty thoroughly , at least as far as any involvement in the crime. I do agree he should of shut up until after the case is over. Part of the reason I think he came out was because everybody has him guilty of something. But whatever his thing is , I think the deputy probably was blamed for not looking and knowing what I know now that guy gets a pass from me. Off to bed. Dogs are sleepy. And so am I. I have to add I don't think Nejame in any way let himself be used to pay the meter reader for doing something for the Anthonys. I can't see him getting involved in doing something devious like paying the meter reader for the culmination of the daisy chain. I think Nejame considered Anthony money dirty money he had such a bad experience

[SaraSidle]

Oh its all good. Most of us are probably blaming the wrong person. I am probably blaming Cindy too much and others are nailing the meter reader . It's all good. I can't wait for trial.

the only thing I meant if I was a meter reader and I thought a bag of garbage was worth 225000. I think I would have been more agressive. but I do not care anymore what is done is done

[lorettalockhorn]

But the body was found when she was in jail. ! But that is not going to get her off. Surely the PI and George as a policeman would not think just because the body was found in August the police would automatically assume she was dumped there in August. And if someone was leading him to the bag why didn't they even know the right color of the bag? Surely someone in the know would say she is in a black bag , not just look for any bag. And Kronk does not say I know it is Caylee in August, He in fact says, I am not saying it is Caylee. If there is some kind of a daisy chain, it was by someone who knew very little about the actual dump site and the bag. . It was in the wrong area with the wrong bag. I think LE has checked him out pretty thoroughly , at least as far as any involvement in the crime. I do agree he should of shut up until after the case is over. Part of the reason I think he came out was because everybody has him guilty of something. But whatever his thing is , I think the deputy probably was blamed for not looking and knowing what I know now that guy gets a pass from me. Off to bed. Dogs are sleepy. And so am I. I have to add I don't think Nejame in any way let himself be used to pay the meter reader for doing something for the Anthonys. I can't see him getting involved in doing something devious like paying the meter reader for the culmination of the daisy chain. I think Nejame considered Anthony money dirty money he had such a bad experience

I don't think Kronk was involved in the crime.

I don't think Caylee was dumped in The Zone after Casey went to jail the last time.

I think the deputy(s) were lame/pussies. Someone had the guts to make a call based on a (right or wrong) gut feeling and OCSO didn't investigate thoroughly enough to convince the general public that they did their job(yet). It would have helped if Kronk had been there to guide and direct these professionals. Wait! He's a professional himself. Or used to be. Why semi-act on that bounty hunter feeling?

If the Anthony money is so fdirty, why pass it on to Kronk? Why not donate it or even give it back to the Anthonys? NeJame seems like a good guy (especially if Tim Miller is an endorsement), but now he's switched sides and that just doesn't sit right with me. And probably some other folks whose philosophy and ethics beats the hell out of mine.

[SaraSidle]

the only thing I meant if I was a meter reader and I thought a bag of garbage was worth 225000. I think I would have been more agressive. but I do not care anymore what is done is done

It makes me feel so good that you all are looking at the details continously. TY

[sharlock]

It makes me feel so good that you all are looking at the details continously. TY
Hey sweetie:seeya: Don't stop posting you are too valuable. Just take a break because it is a tough case and it has gotten to all of us at some stage or other. I went to look at the messages between Iassen and Casey again since they are mentioned in the doc dump and have a looky at this bit I must have missed earlier.
ID Oh you wanna go on a date with me at the beach while you have a boyfriend, that looks grrrrrrrrrrreaaaaaaaat
KC Hahahaha. It wouldnt have to be a “date” . But you need a friend, I miss my friend. Its a win, win
ID (3.03pm) LOL. I wanna know , have I ever hurt you?, like emotionally
KC Most definitely not
ID Ok then.
KC (3:04pm ) You seriously are one of the nicest guys I have ever met. Hands down
ID Impossible
KC No, its very possible
ID (3.05pm) How did you get over me? Was it Mr Ricardo Morales montoya gonzalez?
KC(3.06pm) Haha. It helped . I've had a constant crush on ya for a long time
ID Nuts
KC You're telling me
ID (3.08pm) We didnt even hang out that much
KC Its one of those things.....you get a good vibe from someone.

[Lodi]

I wish I could copy and paste a Pdf rather than go by memory but .... when I read Kronk's report, it seems clear to me that he is NOT confused about different colored bags or much of anything he saw. He just seems hesitant to say that he thinks it's a skull that he saw. That was his major failing.

He describes going into the woods and seeing a gray bag that might be a poolcover. But he says to go on further and there is a fallen tree and a white board. On the ground nearby he says there is a round white object that doesn't look like it belongs there. (Caylee's skull perhaps). He doesn't say he saw a gray bag or a white bag or a black bag near the round white object because the round white skull was already out of the black bag with the yellow ties. He was just afraid to say exactly what he was calling about.

On another call, he is hesitant to give his name and phone # because he is a county employee. The deputy says there is no problem with giving out that information. Kronk replies "What if they find the freaking body?"

He knows he has found a head, he's worried what they will do when they find the rest of the body?

[shadydaisy]

you are not being argumentative and I think most of us are burned out by this whole case. mu I respect you very much but this has been so bad. so many details and documents it is making me not want to even look at any of the message board sites anymore. Like I have gotten to the point I do not want to hear anymore. We know all we need to know. yes leonard said they thought Lee was the father of Caylee on an earlier NG show but I am pretty sure no one believed him. that is all I remember. hang in there. I am too depressed so I learn from your posts. the heart thing today pretty much did it for me. just give her the DP and get it over with.

IIRC LP mentioned that the DNA results of Caylee were too closely related to her mother; therefore, the possibility exists that the father is also related to the mother. Caylee's DNA did not fall in the norm. It's Caylee's DNA that raised the red flags for me. DNA science has come a long way and something was off with her's which brought the whole issue up.

A DNA comparison between Lee and Caylee was requested, no results released. As someone up thread wrote - the results should be released if it proves that the DNA relationship between Lee and Caylee is that of uncle/niece.

I'm not saying Lee is or is not the father. Just adding to why the speculation exists.

[sharlock]

Hey guys:seeya:
Earlier I think it was mu8shark asking how Baez was going to spin the nanny story now. In the Iassen IM's I was reading I found this little gem I had forgotten about.
SUNDAY 13TH JULY

ID So what do you do when you work? with the kid that is
KC: I have a nanny. i love her
ID Nice. how much do they charge?
KC: We've been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. I think th nanny story was dusted a long time ago and Baez should be concerned with how to convince Casey of that.;)

[Gatordog]

But phone records put Casey back at her parents house in the afternoon on the 16t. Why would it matter for Caseys defense if he last saw her on the 15th or 16th. I just see not real good motive to make up this lie. It is not like if he saw them on the 16th it exonerates her. I see no real motive for this lie. We will have to agree to disagree. I kind of ran this by my cousin and she said the same thing, Why would it make any difference?

Just my thinking but if she was killed on the night of the 15th or early the 16th, then it blows the whole babysitter kidnapping out of the water. She was with her mother during that time and no one else could have killed her. If she was killed in the afternoon of the 16th, that's when the defense says she was with the babysitter. Now I know that there wasn't a babysitter, but that is the basis, so far, of the defense.

Gator

[applesandorange]

Speculation is going to exist forever and always in this case, because the truth will never be told by Casey.

I myself do not believe Lee is Caylee's father, hell, the DNA's were done on everyone, which is the norm. No red flags raised, because it probably is protocol in a case as convoluted as this. WHOEVER Caylee's dad is, she looks like him ~ I still CANNOT get over her being 7 months pregnant and Cindy not addressing it. Bro Rick blasted her a good one about that!!

Another thing I wanted to throw my 2 cents in about, is that it's obvious there is a better relationship between Casey and G, than Casey and Cindy. I often feel that way about my 2, I could be wrong, but as I'm always the one who has to deal out the punishments and say NO, or maybe it's a woman to woman thing. Anyway, if the blowup fight happened the 15th http://i40.tinypic.com/nber0w.jpg and Casey left with Caylee, where did they go? No 'new' friends have stated she stayed over their houses. So, why couldn't she have came home Late, when Cindy was sleeping and who then went to work. (no confrontation) Getting ready and leaving when G said bye to them. She held no beef with G, and she Would have the u know what to come back when Cindy wasn't there..oh yeah.

The sticker........At any time after Caylee's death and before tossing her away like that, she could have even bought ONE sticker. 99 cent stores and many others sell them on a roll, you can buy as many as you want. They probably never will be able to track the origins or remnants of any other heart stickers. Major profilers, as did Joshua Perper have stated the connection with that is emotional. Many killers who are close to their victims also cover their faces and/or bodies afterwards. So there are 2 connections there leading to Casey. That's a good thing that will be presented to the jury.

whew.........


Last night on NG LP stated that when Casey was home she took a heart shaped sticker off of a sheet and stuck it on her computer. He said the lady who was staying with her saw her do this. NG of course cut him off but IMO he was saying that those stickers are in the house.

[Gatordog]

I agree mu8shark but the thing that bothers me is there seems to be no benefit to his lies about chasing her in her mums car that day either. Not a lot makes sense with this family imo.

Sharlock, I'm with you on that. I can't come up with any reason why he would make up this story. Perhaps the date was wrong, but LE would have found it some other day on the EZPass statement. At this point, I have doubts about everything I hear from everyone associated with this case. It's like the saying "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

Gator

[joekuhl79]

The more I think about the heart the more I think it was put on the tape to stop Caylee from being scared about it. She tried to pretty it up so Caylee would let her without screaming and the way she put on that duct tape makes me think that she never had any intention of removing it.


I cannot believe that Liar duct taped Caylee while she was alive or conscious. She's a pretty big POS, but I can't see her doing that, playing it off like a game to Caylee.

Liar snapped and killed her, or she OD'd her, and the duct tape on the mouth was used as a cover or to contain fluids. The heart sticker was a way for Liar to say "Hey, I'm sorry! Mommy loves you!" and somehow that made her fell better? Closure maybe? Like that 2Pac lyric she had on her MySpace or Facebook? "You can't change it, so get over it" (paraphrasing)?

[applesandorange]

No, A & O, he said a SMILEY sticker that Tracey saw her slap on the laptop.
Not a heart sticker...........

Apparently her childlike mind has this thing about stickers, eh?


Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I heard him talking about the sticker so I must have assumed it was a heart sticker. I was watching NG and getting the kids ready for bed at the same time. I don't know why I thought he said heart sticker. I guess that would make too much sense if he actually said something that related to what was being discussed eh?

Child like with stickers and fairy tales and magical kingdoms if you ask me.

[Gatordog]

[/B]

Yes we are here to support each other. I feel like we are all friends here. We are humans. We're having normal reactions to a sad and mysterious inhuman event. It's terribly sad and upsetting. I'm glad we're here to tuff it out together.

About the sticker. Being close to Caylee as being a motive for her applying the sticker doesn't fit Casey's MO. I'm concerned about how that heart sticker got there and I am in NO WAY playing devil's advocate. It may have been on the roll of tape before she cut the tape and placed it on Caylee's mouth. Kids put those stickers on everything. Caylee may have had access to the roll of tape, maybe? Casey obviously hated Caylee and wanted her gone, most likely killed her in a rage. I just don't see her stopping to be thoughtful of the kid for a millisecond. She just doesn't come across as sentimental.


The way I see it is the Liar does things for herself. She probably did it thinking that putting the tape over Caylee's mouth wasn't such a bad thing because it had a heart on it, and it absolved her of any wrongdoing. She doesn't have any true feelings except for herself and she has to mimic others and guess at how she should feel about things. She probably had no feeling about what she did so that was her thinking of what a mother would do. JMO

Gator

[Gatordog]

Shady I never heard anything on air about Lee possibly being the father. I know many of you all say you did.....can someone please post me a link so that I can read that Caylee's DNA did not fall in the norm or that it was too closely related to Casey's? This sounds nut's to me if so! TIA!

Science was never my best subject, but I watch a lot of Law and Order. :D
So I'm wondering if they did a DNA test on Caylee's cells, can't they tell right away by the results if the father's DNA is related to the mother's DNA? I thought they could tell by the Mitacondrial (sp) DNA if the mother and father were related.

Gator

[Gatordog]

To the best of my knowledge, Leonard has said out and out on NG (don't think anyone else gives him airtime) that Lee is Caylee's father.

I think he was pretty much stating that one night when NG cut him off real fast.

[One2Snoop]

The sticker was a smiley according to LP - other stickers were on the page Casey took it off of....

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: I`ll tell you, it`s a wealth of information. And a young friend of mine, Katelyn (ph), told her dad, You know, it looks like Leonard Padilla was right on more than one issue.

You take the black plastic bag with the yellow tie on it, you take the duffel bag -- which was not a duffel bag, it was a laundry bag -- clothes in the bag -- that was very important -- and then you go to a little smiley sticker that we have on a laptop that was in her room, that Tracy had back there when she was with her -- she took it off a page of little sticky things, put it right on the laptop. Now...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

[sharlock]

Refresh me Shar-who is Iassen again? Way too much to remember for this gal.
He was a freind of caseys that instant messaged with her alot over june july. His screen name was Exit13.
(starts page 2616 of docs in the last doc dump)

[One2Snoop]

....

NANCY GRACE

Heart-Shaped Sticker Found Over Mouth on Caylee`s Skull
Aired January 21, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Casey`s Attorney Denies Entertainment Deals; Newly Released Evidence Raises Questions
Aired January 21, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ijvm.01.html

[beachbum]

A) My own 1 (one) doesn't work, so who am I to point a finger? and, B) If this was one of the soap boards, I'd be all over your arse. :hat:

On boards like this I use alot of short cuts in typing and I get in a hurry and want to say more than I can type so just over look my english and typing errors.

One other thing--when Casey is on those tapes NG keeps showing...it irks me that Casey
keeps saying "we" need to stick together to her parents. Yah since her butt is in the pokey she has no one so she is trying to make sure she has them. lol

[shadydaisy]

Science was never my best subject, but I watch a lot of Law and Order. :D
So I'm wondering if they did a DNA test on Caylee's cells, can't they tell right away by the results if the father's DNA is related to the mother's DNA? I thought they could tell by the Mitacondrial (sp) DNA if the mother and father were related.

Gator

Not a science major and the explanation I received from my genetic engineer cousin flew by me at the speed of sound. What I did come away with was they would not be able to tell by Caylee's DNA only. Just that flags were raised by her DNA that would indicate a relation. Maybe because of the Mitochondrial DNA link being too strong? Anyway, he said they would probably compare against another DNA sample (Lee). Cousin Shady works in the area genetic birth defects, so I don't know how current he is.

I *think* it works along the same line as DNA from siblings are usually closely related. If one brother fathers a child, but someone claims it is his other brother's child, they would have to match against each brother because of the similarities.

[Gatordog]

Did I miss the boat (again)? I could have sworn that Kronk was tracking the very same bag those three days in August and then again in December. And always wondered how.

Don't get me wrong. I am so glad, so very glad that Caylee was found, but somehow I smell a rat.

But hey, what would you guys do without a naysayer?

I'm with you Loretta. I was all for Kronk, but now I'm having second thoughts. Things just don't make sense. I mean how coincidental could it be that he saw a different bag and made such a fuss over it, exactly where the body was found? I'm back to having no heroes again.

Gator

[Gatordog]

This does bring up a new question for me though. Doesn't Casey claim she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass early in the morning and not the afternoon? If so then George's story kind of disproves hers. If Casey supposedly told LE she dropped Caylee off say at 9 am befroe she went to work and then George saw them leave the house at 1 pm on the same day, then Georges story catches Casey in a major lie because George asserts Caylee was with her and they left in the afternoon. Does anyone know whether Casey asserts it was am or in afternoon?

Shark - excellent point. I don't remember ever seeing a time that the Liar said she dropped Caylee off. It's back to the statement pages for me. :rolleyes:

Gator

[sharlock]

Good night guys, I can barely keep my eyes open and I have sat here so long I have left an impression in the seat.

[Gatordog]

Not a science major and the explanation I received from my genetic engineer cousin flew by me at the speed of sound. What I did come away with was they would not be able to tell by Caylee's DNA only. Just that flags were raised by her DNA that would indicate a relation. Maybe because of the Mitochondrial DNA link being too strong? Anyway, he said they would probably compare against another DNA sample (Lee). Cousin Shady works in the area genetic birth defects, so I don't know how current he is.

I *think* it works along the same line as DNA from siblings are usually closely related. If one brother fathers a child, but someone claims it is his other brother's child, they would have to match against each brother because of the similarities.

That's pretty much what I thought - they could tell the parents were related but wouldn't be able to tell who they were. Thanks,

Gator

[Gatordog]

Yep. (banging my head on table) and.........
She should make up her damn mind about which lies she wants to keep! In the transcripts I reread yesterday she told LE she knew her for 4 years.

and notice how she just skipped over the ? 'how much do they charge?" This is probably how she got away with most of her lies..she goes on to something else.

OS stop, you'll hurt yourself. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry046.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I think this is why she got so angry with her parents for asking her questions. She knows she gave too many different stories and now she can't keep up with the lies. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-talk024.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

What i would give to be privy to her meetings with Baez. He has got to be asking her some of these questions-how else could he prepare for what's to come.

Did you catch when the Liar is mouthing off to her parents that the only contact she has is with her lawyer and that it has to stay strictly professional and she was told it has to be professional. (paraphrasing somewhat) Could it be that ol' Jose was getting the vibes from her in the beginning and warned her that in jail it had to be strictly professional. Then when she was out and hanging in his office with brownies for hours and hours....hmmmm.

Gator

[beachbum]

We know there wasnt a Nanny but people what did Casey and Caylee do for 2 years every day when she pretended to go to work and take her to the Nanny's. Are any of her friends coming forward saying that she was with them? I mean that is alot of time to waste.