Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[One2Snoop]

You're off to a good start! And isn't it interesting that after all that Bible reading, Casey still wasn't comforted?!

Nor did it compel her to tell the truth.

[lorettalockhorn]

And, I was wondering, how does one comfort oneself?

Rewatching tonight's NG. My goodness!!!! To the psychiatrist--I didn't understand anything you said, but my question was..... And to one unlucky (lawyer, I think) fellow who tries to answer a question---THAT REQUIRES A YES OR NO!!!!! Geeesh, Nancy, you might let him explain WHY it is yes or why it is no!!!! *I* was interested in what he was saying!!!! :flamemad:

Amy, I love you, but DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

And, I was wondering, how does one comfort oneself?

Rewatching tonight's NG. My goodness!!!! To the psychiatrist--I didn't understand anything you said, but my question was..... And to one unlucky (lawyer, I think) fellow who tries to answer a question---THAT REQUIRES A YES OR NO!!!!! Geeesh, Nancy, you might let him explain WHY it is yes or why it is no!!!! *I* was interested in what he was saying!!!! :flamemad:

NG was mad at him because he didn't answer the question with compassion for Caylee - she didn't really want an answer from him as a lawyer. At least that was my take on it.

ETA: He said "Now you're asking me as a human being , not as a defense lawyer."

So finally a defense attorney admits, they are not human beings.

[SaraSidle]

I would not buy tshirts or anything else, either, regardless of where they say the money would go. I don't NEED any more tshirts. I would send my money straight to say, TES or some nationally recognized missing child organization, and designate it as in memory of Caylee Anthony.

I just don't trust their idea of charity (which COULD mean either Casey's defense fund, or even to Casey's commissary fund.)

Aboslutely wonderful Idea Amy

[lorettalockhorn]

No, Cindy said during the interview with FBI that she went to a lawyer with Casey when Caylee was just born to get it written up that if anything happened to Casey Caylee would go to Cindy and George. She named the lawyers she supposedly went to and said that papers for it were probably at the house. The FBI checked and the lawyer she spoke of said no such meeting took place so it would seem at that time Cindy was trying to establish her right to look after Caylee if she was returned and Casy was still in jail imo. That actually does dupport though that at the time Cindy thought it was still a possibility Caylee would be returned. About the psychiatrist, Cindy told her Mum that and she did speak of it during an interview as well. In the interview she was alluding to having trouble with George and Casey and that becasue they had never experienced these type of issues before she got some help. I don't beleive this has been confirmed though.

Okay, gotcha. Cindy and Casey both supposedly went to the attorney. But Cindy either lied, or the attorney lost the paperwork, or the attorney lied, or Casey refused to follow through, or whatever. Looks to me like the attorney would have drawn up such a document on the spot, and had it signed and notarized.

I'll assume from the link that I found that WFTV trusts the source of the information about Cindy seeing a counselor or some sort.

[SaraSidle]

Why does this not surprise me?

because it has been around the perimeters for many months. this story is going to make lots of money for someone. maybe even more than one person IMO

[Amy]

Amy, I love you, but DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol That's why I stopped!!!!

I do wonder, tho, what she will learn from her readings of the Bible. Will it ever lead her to tell the truth, the REAL truth?

[SaraSidle]

lol That's why I stopped!!!!

I do wonder, tho, what she will learn from her readings of the Bible. Will it ever lead her to tell the truth, the REAL truth?

Like a born again Christian who was just telling her what God wanted her to do. great defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amy]

Okay, gotcha. Cindy and Casey both supposedly went to the attorney. But Cindy either lied, or the attorney lost the paperwork, or the attorney lied, or Casey refused to follow through, or whatever. Looks to me like the attorney would have drawn up such a document on the spot, and had it signed and notarized.

I'll assume from the link that I found that WFTV trusts the source of the information about Cindy seeing a counselor or some sort.

My understanding of the attorney reporting to the investigator was that there was no file--like he didn't do any work for Cindy. It could be that he was an attorney she had been to for other matters, I guess. The attorney would have no pony in the parade, so I would believe that he had no paperwork that would back up Cindy's story, whether he ever actually did any work for her or not.

[Amy]

Like a born again Christian who was just telling her what God wanted her to do. great defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A friend and I were discussing a born-again we both know. She is like my born-again sister. INTOLERANT of absolutely anyone they perceive is sinning (THEIR perception of sin, by the way.) I was brought up (as was my sister) to PRAY for the sinners, that they may see the way, to get out of a life of sin. I told my friend, if these 2 are the example of born-again, I don't want to be!!! (and, no offense to others who ARE born-again, who are Christian in their beliefs and actions--these just happen to be the only 2 I know.)

Hope, if Casey "finds God" in prison, that she does a better job!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

lol That's why I stopped!!!!

I do wonder, tho, what she will learn from her readings of the Bible. Will it ever lead her to tell the truth, the REAL truth?

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[Amy]

because it has been around the perimeters for many months. this story is going to make lots of money for someone. maybe even more than one person IMO

It will be interesting when all this comes out. I'm thinking Baez isn't the only one who had looked into a lucrative deal about books and movies. He might have the worst of it, seeing as how it is against some rule in the legal field. Either he didn't know about that, or he tho't he could find some way to hide the fact forever. It wouldn't surprise me if he did NOT know about it--he seems to have missed a few classes if not courses in his law studies.;)

[mu8shark]

I think I figured it out, what Baez thinks the problem is. Early on, Casey comments that their visits have been released to the media and they would "have a field day". She indicates this is why Jose didn't want her to take any visits. She kind of talks over him (big surprise!) but George indicates that their conversation either won't be released or won't be recorded. then she comments on it again...

See, from http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ng.01.html

C. ANTHONY: I`m completely upset. One, the media is going to have a freaking field day with this. I wasn`t even.

G. ANTHONY: No, no.

C. ANTHONY: I wasn`t even supposed to tape this. Let me speak for a second. Dad, I let everybody talk.

G. ANTHONY: OK.

C. ANTHONY: They`re not releasing it, well, I hope not. I`ll keep saying whatever I have to about the police so they don`t let it go.

For some reason, George was either told by the LE that the conversation would be private, or he told Casey that. I bet THAT is what Baez is onto...
You may be onto something there but even if that is the case and LE set the Anthonys up, I think this tape is coming in. And even if it does not ,Geraldo's weird assertion that it may derail the whole case is really out there and an exaggeration. I think Geraldo must have been a lawyer for about five minutes thirty years ago and he always tries to act like he knows what he is talking about and he doesn't. Someone else on here pointed out that the tape being released or not was probably not in the hands of the OCSD but the jail itself and I think they might be right. But I wonder if LE did promise them and that was the reason it was not released and now Bonehead Baez forced their hand. I have talked to several people who have seen that tape and everybody comments on how badly it reflects on Caseys demeanor and character and how it shows what she is not concerned about. Only the grandparents really mention Caylee. Casey mentions her in passing once! Whatever Baez thinks LE is guilty of regarding this tape, he was a fool to demand it be out there in that motion. It does not really convict her on any evidence but it is going to really paint a terrible picture for her in lieu of her testifying and I know that defense lawyers say, Well demeanor and character is not on trial but realistically those of us who follow true crime and look at what juries do and don't do, know that a defense lawyer is living in Disney World if he thinks it does not influence juries. I am not saying they would convict her on that alone , of course , but......

[mu8shark]

A friend and I were discussing a born-again we both know. She is like my born-again sister. INTOLERANT of absolutely anyone they perceive is sinning (THEIR perception of sin, by the way.) I was brought up (as was my sister) to PRAY for the sinners, that they may see the way, to get out of a life of sin. I told my friend, if these 2 are the example of born-again, I don't want to be!!! (and, no offense to others who ARE born-again, who are Christian in their beliefs and actions--these just happen to be the only 2 I know.)

Hope, if Casey "finds God" in prison, that she does a better job!!! Can I just second that emotion that I don't care for people who use religion as an excuse to be intolerant of others. ?? To me there is nothing worse than using religion to put down other people.

[mu8shark]

Okay, gotcha. Cindy and Casey both supposedly went to the attorney. But Cindy either lied, or the attorney lost the paperwork, or the attorney lied, or Casey refused to follow through, or whatever. Looks to me like the attorney would have drawn up such a document on the spot, and had it signed and notarized.

I'll assume from the link that I found that WFTV trusts the source of the information about Cindy seeing a counselor or some sort.Oh gee such a surprise if Cindy lied, maybe she put the documents with the phone records she told the media and her brother she had of little Caylee calling Casey on July 15. Pffffft.... honestly. or to put it better dishonestly again. LOL By the way saw Revolutionary Road with Winslet and DiCaprio and a really well acted movie about a very flawed relationship. It is heavy though definitelly not a romance movie , but I love dramas like that with tons of good dialogue. Thought I would get back to ya Loretta since you asked before I went !

[mu8shark]

My understanding of the attorney reporting to the investigator was that there was no file--like he didn't do any work for Cindy. It could be that he was an attorney she had been to for other matters, I guess. The attorney would have no pony in the parade, so I would believe that he had no paperwork that would back up Cindy's story, whether he ever actually did any work for her or not. I agree that the laywer is probably telling the truth as there would no reason for an attorney to lie about this. It is another one of Cindys fictions.

[beachbum]

And, I was wondering, how does one comfort oneself?

Rewatching tonight's NG. My goodness!!!! To the psychiatrist--I didn't understand anything you said, but my question was..... And to one unlucky (lawyer, I think) fellow who tries to answer a question---THAT REQUIRES A YES OR NO!!!!! Geeesh, Nancy, you might let him explain WHY it is yes or why it is no!!!! *I* was interested in what he was saying!!!! :flamemad:


Well you know all that partying Casey was doing at Fusion and all the drinking
that is how she comforted herself. :beer: No bible classes there you know. She probably isnt being comforted the way she was used to and Im sure that is killing her. :tongue: Sounds like she is feeding her face pretty good from her cash stash. Better watch those calories Cas-you wont be skinny much longer.

[mu8shark]

I cannot believe Equusearch spent so much time and money when Kronk knew where Caylee was. I think he and the Pi's shoud be sued at least to pay back Equusearch. If DH and I had money we would be donating. I am so impressed with him. He knew Caylee was close to home. And I cannot believe they are wasting taxpayers money by having the trial somewhere else. like none of us have kept up on this case. I would love a shirt with Caylee's picture on it since I have been there since July15th. I cannot afford it. IMO sara Seriously, I don't think Kronk can be sued for having a hunch about where she was. Remember he did try to call LE. It is not as if he kept it all to himself. And I don't think he knew, knew if you get my drift. In my opinion, he did not really know for sure that was her body.

[SaraSidle]

It will be interesting when all this comes out. I'm thinking Baez isn't the only one who had looked into a lucrative deal about books and movies. He might have the worst of it, seeing as how it is against some rule in the legal field. Either he didn't know about that, or he tho't he could find some way to hide the fact forever. It wouldn't surprise me if he did NOT know about it--he seems to have missed a few classes if not courses in his law studies.;)

well stated!!!!!!!!!
IMO

[SaraSidle]

Seriously, I don't think Kronk can be sued for having a hunch about where she was. Remember he did try to call LE. It is not as if he kept it all to himself. And I don't think he knew, knew if you get my drift. In my opinion, he did not really know for sure that was her body.

I know. I hold him much more accoutable than you do. Just me. IMO

[mu8shark]

Cindy knew about Casey stealing from grandma/grandpa prior to the 15th, according to emails amongst the family, and Shirley Pleasa's LE interview. I think there might have been further confrontation about the stealing the 15th, as it seems that when Cindy was @ her mother's, the conversation was about Cindy not doing anything about the fact that Casey had stolen the money.Yes you are right Cindy already knew and I think G Grandma was pressuring her to do something about her stealing B I T C H of a daughter. Did I say that aloud? LOL

[mu8shark]

I know. I hold him much more accoutable than you do. Just me. IMO Well I don't hold him accountable for putting the body there for sure. Casey did that. And there really is no civil law that says if you have a hunch and LE blows you off, you ought to do more or you would owe an organization like TES money. I think they will find out that Lee led the PI there anyways and this is why he wants immunity, Not accusing Lee of knowing the body was there for sure but I bet he had a hunch his sister might pick that spot. It is just me speculating but someone led the PI there.I still say there were so many spots to search and it is kind of weird that the PI filmed that one spot. It is also good that LE did not exert a little effort on the little goose chases Cindy and the PI sent them on, the mall, the restaurant,, the airport. They were smart not to get wrapped up in that and I am glad they stuck to their guns, if you will pardon the pun..

[lorettalockhorn]

Can I just second that emotion that I don't care for people who use religion as an excuse to be intolerant of others. ?? To me there is nothing worse than using religion to put down other people.

Agree. What's wrong with blaming intolerance on sheer crankiness for example?!

Oh gee such a surprise if Cindy lied, maybe she put the documents with the phone records she told the media and her brother she had of little Caylee calling Casey on July 15. Pffffft.... honestly. or to put it better dishonestly again. LOL By the way saw Revolutionary Road with Winslet and DiCaprio and a really well acted movie about a very flawed relationship. It is heavy though definitelly not a romance movie , but I love dramas like that with tons of good dialogue. Thought I would get back to ya Loretta since you asked before I went !

Oh, that's one of several movies that I'd love to see, along with Last Chance Harry, and Notorious (B.I.G. not Hitchcock). You forgot to tell us what you had to eat!!!

Seriously, I don't get why it is, unless Cindy wanted the attorney to draw up some sort of complicated trust agreement, it couldn't have been done right there on the spot. And I don't get why it is that there are so damned many lies in this case.

[mu8shark]

"Tell her that we forgive her and we want our Caylee."

Cindy asks Casey what she (Casey) wants Cindy to tell Zanny on air. That is what Casey told her to say. Now, did we ever hear Cindy say ANYTHING @ all to Zanny on air? Nope, not even what Casey suggested she say, let alone BEG Zanny to bring their Caylee back. Cindy told LE in her interview that for a full year she thought there was no nanny , whether she meant after the fact when all this happened or she knew for a year there was no nanny, I guess even she would not go on tv and beg a nonexistent woman to return the child. Which makes me wonder how now they are going to go with the nanny did it story when she already said she did not exist in her interview. But Loretta is probably right, she will say, "Now I believe there is a nanny. The PI convinced me."

[Justice Denied?]

LMAO Probably going straight to her hips!

Poor thing; in that video she's whining about no chili. No mention of Caylee's birthday. Even George refers to it as "last Saturday" in that clip. I've forgotten already, did they talk about the 9th being Caylee's birthday in the long video? (Please don't make me watch again!)

Another thing that's interesting, is that Casey tells Cindy that she's already told them everything. When did she actually have time to tell them everything?

Yesterday I read on one of other, sleazier boards that because of her weight gaij, it is suspected that Casey is pregnant. As she has been on house arrest or in jail for 6 months dad would have to be someone in jail personnel or a member of the defense team.

Also reported that Casey's toilet was found stopped up with the pages of a New Testament. As I said these come from a sleaze board but thought they were interesting.

[sharlock]

might be letters sent through Baez
Remeber the email from Lee to Cindy telling her to remember not to mention anything about the letters.

[mu8shark]

Agree. What's wrong with blaming intolerance on sheer crankiness for example?!



Oh, that's one of several movies that I'd love to see, along with Last Chance Harry, and Notorious (B.I.G. not Hitchcock). You forgot to tell us what you had to eat!!!

Seriously, I don't get why it is, unless Cindy wanted the attorney to draw up some sort of complicated trust agreement, it couldn't have been done right there on the spot. And I don't get why it is that there are so damned many lies in this case.We went to Hereford House which specializes in steak and my cousin bought and it was pricey place. But she takes my other cousin and out around the post holidays so we can get together. Not to change the subject but someone said Cindy may have told the lawyer story lie thinking LE would not check it out. Whose pattern does that sound like ???

[mu8shark]

Remeber the email from Lee to Cindy telling her to remember not to mention anything about the letters.I forgot all about that. You know Richard Grund said at one point Cindy and Casey were cooking up a scenario in which Jessie took Caylee and harmed her. I wonder what that was all about and when they had time to do that? Good point about the letters.

[mu8shark]

Yesterday I read on one of other, sleazier boards that because of her weight gaij, it is suspected that Casey is pregnant. As she has been on house arrest or in jail for 6 months dad would have to be someone in jail personnel or a member of the defense team.

Also reported that Casey's toilet was found stopped up with the pages of a New Testament. As I said these come from a sleaze board but thought they were interesting. Nothing wrong with a little sleaze reporting as long as it is reported as rumour. LOL. I was thinking how funny it would be if Casey weighed about 450 pounds by trial because she is so vain . Not making fun of overweight people, so don't anyone take offense because I am in that category. I just think for someone like Casey it would be just desserts.

[SaraSidle]

Well I don't hold him accountable for putting the body there for sure. Casey did that. And there really is no civil law that says if you have a hunch and LE blows you off, you ought to do more or you would owe an organization like TES money. I think they will find out that Lee led the PI there anyways and this is why he wants immunity, Not accusing Lee of knowing the body was there for sure but I bet he had a hunch his sister might pick that spot. It is just me speculating but someone led the PI there.I still say there were so many spots to search and it is kind of weird that the PI filmed that one spot. It is also good that LE did not exert a little effort on the little goose chases Cindy and the PI sent them on, the mall, the restaurant,, the airport. They were smart not to get wrapped up in that and I am glad they stuck to their guns, if you will pardon the pun..


I know that is how you feel. But this was an international case all over the world. And if I had been suspicious in August I would have stayed that way. I mean that is when Gator started posting and said there was a suspicious vehicle in the fields across from where she lived and I told her to go there and look. Can you imagine how much more we would know if Kronk had persisted? I feel Caylee was let down by so many people. IMO

[mu8shark]

And, I was wondering, how does one comfort oneself?
Rewatching tonight's NG. My goodness!!!! To the psychiatrist--I didn't understand anything you said, but my question was..... And to one unlucky (lawyer, I think) fellow who tries to answer a question---THAT REQUIRES A YES OR NO!!!!! Geeesh, Nancy, you might let him explain WHY it is yes or why it is no!!!! *I* was interested in what he was saying!!!! :flamemad: With pop tarts and skittles???? Ramon noodles???

[SaraSidle]

Remeber the email from Lee to Cindy telling her to remember not to mention anything about the letters.

yeah that was spooky for real. now we should read them

[mu8shark]

If I watch NG at midnight am I going to be disappointed because there is no new info? One thing I have to say for Nancy, at least she tries to get the correct info , even though she is rude and gets on my nerves. I know you all probably think I am a shrew for writing all these shows and blasting some of their reporting but I did write Greta about asking Baden the other night why all the bones were found in the bag? I had to. LOL. I mean, anyone who has been following the case knows they found bones all over that perimeter and I just think if you have a staff like I am sure Greta does she should be able to report at least as accurately as [eople on a message board. I mean geeesh, there are people on here who could do better than her research staff and producers!! I'm done venting on that. No I am not. I was excited to see what she was going to ask Baden and she ask him a question pertaining to wrong info. Can you say disappointed??

[lorettalockhorn]

We went to Hereford House which specializes in steak and my cousin bought and it was pricey place. But she takes my other cousin and out around the post holidays so we can get together. Not to change the subject but someone said Cindy may have told the lawyer story lie thinking LE would not check it out. Whose pattern does that sound like ???

hmmm Surely the Ants have the utmost respect for LE. What with George being a former officer and all. :rolleyes:

Nothing wrong with a little sleaze reporting as long as it is reported as rumour. LOL. I was thinking how funny it would be if Casey weighed about 450 pounds by trial because she is so vain . Not making fun of overweight people, so don't anyone take offense because I am in that category. I just think for someone like Casey it would be just desserts.

mmmm Dessert.

(I'd rather have potato chips.) But seriously, hasn't a big part of the discussion about the death penalty being a realistic alternative been that a jury wouldn't convict a pretty white girl? (IF you like Mr. Ed's teeth, that is.) A lard ass might just get her convicted. Oy, if she's knocked up, she'll probably get off scot free.

[SaraSidle]

If I watch NG at midnight am I going to be disappointed because there is no new info? One thing I have to say for Nancy, at least she tries to get the correct info , even though she is rude and gets on my nerves. I know you all probably think I am a shrew for writing all these shows and blasting some of their reporting but I did write Greta about asking Baden the other night why all the bones were found in the bag? I had to. LOL. I mean, anyone who has been following the case knows they found bones all over that perimeter and I just think if you have a staff like I am sure Greta does she should be able to report at least as accurately as [eople on a message board. I mean geeesh, there are people on here who could do better than her research staff and producers!! I'm done venting on that. No I am not. I was excited to see what she was going to ask Baden and she ask him a question pertaining to wrong info. Can you say disappointed??

when you vent you do it well. I sent a PM to the Nancy Grace show tonight

[mu8shark]

hmmm Surely the Ants have the utmost respect for LE. What with George being a former officer and all. :rolleyes:



mmmm Dessert.

(I'd rather have potato chips.) But seriously, hasn't a big part of the discussion about the death penalty being a realistic alternative been that a jury wouldn't convict a pretty white girl? (IF you like Mr. Ed's teeth, that is.) A lard ass might just get her convicted. Oy, if she's knocked up, she'll probably get off scot free. I heard a talking head say that studies have been done and when the death penalty is on the table, juries have more trouble with conviction and LE in this case might not want to get into that. Also did you know Geraldo called Casey a b i t c h on Bill O Reilly? Wonder what his buddy Baez thinks of that? Also I asked a question the other day about that show One Tree Hill, does anybody watch that or have children who watch it.? Would a jury believe it was George's type of show? Do you know what I mean? Is its target audience teens and twenty somethings? I am not familiar with it.

[mu8shark]

I think she's stalled in what they're putting out there....how man times in a week can she keep saying the damn things over and over?! Then she discusses it, and beats the hell out of her guests! You might want to watch it anyway LOL.

Good for you, you let Greta know, as I'm sure countless others did, that she should have researched her info before opening her mouth. And, btw, why wasn't she corrected on air when she was asking?

Hopefully this week they are supposedly getting info back regarding the clothes found with Caylee's remains from the courts, and tox reports, it was said..keep your fingers crossed!

:seeya:
No Baden did not correct her and Fuhrman started to say something and she cut him off. But it would not surprise me if Fuhrman was going to correct her because when he comments on a case, he generally at least does his homework. There were tons of comments on Gretawire about how she got that wrong, so I am sure she got the message. Maybe she needs us to help her bone up, so to speak. LOL Tacky way with words that I have

[Amy]

Oh gee such a surprise if Cindy lied, maybe she put the documents with the phone records she told the media and her brother she had of little Caylee calling Casey on July 15. Pffffft.... honestly. or to put it better dishonestly again. LOL By the way saw Revolutionary Road with Winslet and DiCaprio and a really well acted movie about a very flawed relationship. It is heavy though definitelly not a romance movie , but I love dramas like that with tons of good dialogue. Thought I would get back to ya Loretta since you asked before I went !

I wonder if Cindy has a file for papers she wants never to be seen. The docs from the attorney, the phone record that would show Caylee called, AND, don't forget that pesky little obit!!!! Maybe she needs to be sure any papers relating to accounts and funds and whatnot, like Lee's receipts whilst investigating all get put in that little file, too.

[Amy]

Agree. What's wrong with blaming intolerance on sheer crankiness for example?!



Oh, that's one of several movies that I'd love to see, along with Last Chance Harry, and Notorious (B.I.G. not Hitchcock). You forgot to tell us what you had to eat!!!

Seriously, I don't get why it is, unless Cindy wanted the attorney to draw up some sort of complicated trust agreement, it couldn't have been done right there on the spot. And I don't get why it is that there are so damned many lies in this case.

Or, blame the intolerance on lactose!!!! :biggrin:

Even if it was some complicated agreement, the attorney would have had NOTES about what Cindy was wanting. And, it would seem that he would also have what he worked on in the file (writing an agreement from the notes) to be ready the next time the clients came to the office. So, I think there was no consultation to the attorney about Caylee @ all.

[mu8shark]

I wonder if Cindy has a file for papers she wants never to be seen. The docs from the attorney, the phone record that would show Caylee called, AND, don't forget that pesky little obit!!!! Maybe she needs to be sure any papers relating to accounts and funds and whatnot, like Lee's receipts whilst investigating all get put in that little file, too. She could call it her BS file or her unreliable file. LOL. You know I still wonder if anyone is even going to look into what Lee supposedly did with the money. I bet that falls by the wayside. Who would look into that? The States attorneys office or local LE.? I just think like the rest of the lies and deceptions and fast ones, because LE does not want to be seen to be persecuting the Anthony family , they will probably get away with all of it. And I suppose the main thing is making sure Casey Anthony pays . After all that is what justice is going to amount to. At dinner my cousins and I were talking and somehow I can't see the Anthony marriage surviving this. You know Cindy has to be really kind of mad at George inside for telling the truth esp testifying against Casey at the grand jury. At least if nothing else, he can say that at one point he came forward.

[mu8shark]

Or, blame the intolerance on lactose!!!! :biggrin:

Even if it was some complicated agreement, the attorney would have had NOTES about what Cindy was wanting. And, it would seem that he would also have what he worked on in the file (writing an agreement from the notes) to be ready the next time the clients came to the office. So, I think there was no consultation to the attorney about Caylee @ all.ITA agree lie number 35!

[Amy]

Yesterday I read on one of other, sleazier boards that because of her weight gaij, it is suspected that Casey is pregnant. As she has been on house arrest or in jail for 6 months dad would have to be someone in jail personnel or a member of the defense team.

Also reported that Casey's toilet was found stopped up with the pages of a New Testament. As I said these come from a sleaze board but thought they were interesting.

I'd certainly think she would gain a lot of weight just for the fact that she gets no where near the exercise she had previously. Even walking to and from a car. Dancing all night @ the nightclubs. Romping between the sheets. There just isn't that much physical activity going on when you are in jail, especially when you are pretty much relegated to your cell because of your "celebrity" status. Then eating all those rinds and skittles and twinkies and whatever else she gets from the commisary--I don't suppose what is available is on many healthy diets!!!!

[SaraSidle]

No Baden did not correct her and Fuhrman started to say something and she cut him off. But it would not surprise me if Fuhrman was going to correct her because when he comments on a case, he generally at least does his homework. There were tons of comments on Gretawire about how she got that wrong, so I am sure she got the message. Maybe she needs us to help her bone up, so to speak. LOL Tacky way with words that I have

ITA MU. So many times I want to hear what the person is adding and she cuts them off. IMO

[Amy]

Glad you're all still on....I haven't been able to post because the computer was pulling a 'casey' on me and wouldn't load. Ever since I started posting the images and stuff from freesmileys, I've been getting virus after virus. I can't even blame it on my kids ~ I'm the only one whose been on, and those sites were the only other places I went besides trutv. Help! What's going on?!

was very sad to see no mention of Caylee by her name about her birthday. "How did you do on Saturday" did not cut it, but I guess at least G said it.
Caylee's psycho mother didn't even bring it up. Then to want sympathy because she wasn't there for the fkin chili and all made me nuts. What a self serving ragbag.

Another thing I wanted to mention (that we have not discussed,) nor have I heard anything about, is Cindy's parents. I have a funny feeling he/they have not been told Caylee was missing, and now dead. I believe the A's would keep that info away from Poppa, it would be too much for him. Ever hear of anything mentioned about that?

Remember Cindy and Lee tried a midnight (or was it a 4am) run to the assisted living facility to tell Poppa before he could see it on the news? And, probably to stop by Shirley's to tell her, too. I'm pretty darn Shirley knows all about it, she had an interview w/LE, there were all those emails between her and her sister and Uncle Rick. I am sure, in all this time, it would be hard to not have Poppa near where any news or news programs are on--unless all they watch in the assisted living place is Laurence Welk. And, Shirley surely has had the news channels on, probably watches NG and GVS, and I would imagine "breaking news" about the discovery hit all the stations in the area.

[mu8shark]

You know what I can't get out of my head. What if anything is on that duct tape? I noticed LE came out last week and said they were sure now Casey did it alone and had no accomplice. So I was thinking if her fingerprints were on that tape maybe that would lead them to suddenly announce that, as in looks folks nobody else moved the body there, we now have proof. Kind of as a way to tell the public or hint without saying guess what we found on the duct tape? I know, I know maybe it is just wishful thinking. It just seemed like they found something to lead them to that conclusion and announce it all of a sudden .

[mu8shark]

Remember Cindy and Lee tried a midnight (or was it a 4am) run to the assisted living facility to tell Poppa before he could see it on the news? And, probably to stop by Shirley's to tell her, too. I'm pretty darn Shirley knows all about it, she had an interview w/LE, there were all those emails between her and her sister and Uncle Rick. I am sure, in all this time, it would be hard to not have Poppa near where any news or news programs are on--unless all they watch in the assisted living place is Laurence Welk. And, Shirley surely has had the news channels on, probably watches NG and GVS, and I would imagine "breaking news" about the discovery hit all the stations in the area.And what must poor Poppa be thinking about his grandchild? Amy, refresh my memory who is Shirley?

[Amy]

I forgot all about that. You know Richard Grund said at one point Cindy and Casey were cooking up a scenario in which Jessie took Caylee and harmed her. I wonder what that was all about and when they had time to do that? Good point about the letters.

Cindy was doing that (trying to get FBI to think Jesse or Amy was Zanny) from the "clues" that Casey left---I guess in the "coded" jailhouse convo's? She was talking about "clues" and I'm thinking---WHY THE HECK DIDN'T SHE JUST COME OUT AND SAY IT, FOR PETE'S SAKE?

[lorettalockhorn]

And what must poor Poppa be thinking about his grandchild? Amy, refresh my memory who is Shirley?

Butting in here, Shirley is Cindy's mother. And she and her sister seem on the ball from their emails.

[Amy]

If I watch NG at midnight am I going to be disappointed because there is no new info? One thing I have to say for Nancy, at least she tries to get the correct info , even though she is rude and gets on my nerves. I know you all probably think I am a shrew for writing all these shows and blasting some of their reporting but I did write Greta about asking Baden the other night why all the bones were found in the bag? I had to. LOL. I mean, anyone who has been following the case knows they found bones all over that perimeter and I just think if you have a staff like I am sure Greta does she should be able to report at least as accurately as [eople on a message board. I mean geeesh, there are people on here who could do better than her research staff and producers!! I'm done venting on that. No I am not. I was excited to see what she was going to ask Baden and she ask him a question pertaining to wrong info. Can you say disappointed??

It does take Nancy a few days (or weeks) to get into the groove, tho, with a new story. She occasionally still states something as fact that is not, and goes w/it a few days. Anyway, she is reporting on the case in Kansas where the boy went missing and unreported for 10 years. She is loudly indignant about some points that aren't exactly factual. I'm not sure where she is getting her information, but it isn't from the same news sources I have read.
She was VERY rude to a woman who was trying to explain something about childrens' services--"I asked you.......and didn't want you going on about GOOD things with DCFS (or whatever the initials are.)"

Maybe she SHOULD just stick w/one case @ a time, because she can concentrate on the factual info in that case, not have too many irons in the fire to keep track of.

[mu8shark]

Butting in here, Shirley is Cindy's mother. And she and her sister seem on the ball from their emails. So by Shirleys sister you mean Caseys great aunt. Where can I read the emails between Grandma Shirley and her sister? Are they in the documents released? When you say on the ball , do they imply they know that Casey probably did it. Sorry to be so dense , I think I missed some of that info. Thanks

[Amy]

I think she's stalled in what they're putting out there....how man times in a week can she keep saying the damn things over and over?! Then she discusses it, and beats the hell out of her guests! You might want to watch it anyway LOL.

Good for you, you let Greta know, as I'm sure countless others did, that she should have researched her info before opening her mouth. And, btw, why wasn't she corrected on air when she was asking?

Hopefully this week they are supposedly getting info back regarding the clothes found with Caylee's remains from the courts, and tox reports, it was said..keep your fingers crossed!

:seeya:

Haven't we been watching (not only on NG, but other shows, too) this video for about a week now? I KNOW I saw it @ least midweek. Today, the picture was a little different, but she is still saying JUST RELEASED, I can't remember all the words, but one would think this video just came out TODAY!!!!

[sharlock]

Glad you're all still on....I haven't been able to post because the computer was pulling a 'casey' on me and wouldn't load. Ever since I started posting the images and stuff from freesmileys, I've been getting virus after virus. I can't even blame it on my kids ~ I'm the only one whose been on, and those sites were the only other places I went besides trutv. Help! What's going on?!

was very sad to see no mention of Caylee by her name about her birthday. "How did you do on Saturday" did not cut it, but I guess at least G said it.
Caylee's psycho mother didn't even bring it up. Then to want sympathy because she wasn't there for the fkin chili and all made me nuts. What a self serving ragbag.

Another thing I wanted to mention (that we have not discussed,) nor have I heard anything about, is Cindy's parents. I have a funny feeling he/they have not been told Caylee was missing, and now dead. I believe the A's would keep that info away from Poppa, it would be too much for him. Ever hear of anything mentioned about that?
He was told Cindy was very upset with LE because they visited her mum and there have ben comments about the grandfathers dteriorating health since he was told as well.

[mu8shark]

Think about it, it would be awful hard to apply, cut etc the duct tape with a pair of gloves on. Gloves were never mentioned at all. If she did wear gloves when taping, fibers would be stuck to the tape even minutely. This week's release of the search warrant list will tell us if gloves were taken from the home or garage. If no gloves were used, you can be sure that they know it was her alone, because of fingerprints....but so far they (LE) don't want to give that info up. No way fingerprints of some type, partial or whatever, even saliva, Wouldn't be found on that tape. Something's there on that tape.

Isn't Shirley C's mom? I don't remember ever hearing about a run to tell poppa......I might have missed it it seems. Early on after the body was found Michael Baden did a demonstration on Fox news panel showing in his opinion using gloves with duct tape would be damn near impossible. And it was a pretty impressive demonstration. I don't see how she could of used gloves. I think Baden is right on that. It gives me hope they found something. You know they have found some more forensic info because all of a sudden they made that statement and said they had overwhelming evidence of intentioinal murder , that she did it alone and then they gave the dates they had pinned down. So something new was found,n

[sharlock]

So by Shirleys sister you mean Caseys great aunt. Where can I read the emails between Grandma Shirley and her sister? Are they in the documents released? When you say on the ball , do they imply they know that Casey probably did it. Sorry to be so dense , I think I missed some of that info. Thanks
Yes mu8shark they were in the last doc dump.

[lorettalockhorn]

Think about it, it would be awful hard to apply, cut etc the duct tape with a pair of gloves on. Gloves were never mentioned at all. If she did wear gloves when taping, fibers would be stuck to the tape even minutely. This week's release of the search warrant list will tell us if gloves were taken from the home or garage. If no gloves were used, you can be sure that they know it was her alone, because of fingerprints....but so far they (LE) don't want to give that info up. No way fingerprints of some type, partial or whatever, even saliva, Wouldn't be found on that tape. Something's there on that tape.

Isn't Shirley C's mom? I don't remember ever hearing about a run to tell poppa......I might have missed it it seems.

Let's hope and pray that the elements didn't destroy evidence on that duct tape.

RE: Poppa. That videotape of Caylee in his lap just breaks my heart. The two most distant and distinct generations of Casey's and Cindy's family (at least that we know of), comforting each other and Caylee looking so pensive.

[Amy]

She could call it her BS file or her unreliable file. LOL. You know I still wonder if anyone is even going to look into what Lee supposedly did with the money. I bet that falls by the wayside. Who would look into that? The States attorneys office or local LE.? I just think like the rest of the lies and deceptions and fast ones, because LE does not want to be seen to be persecuting the Anthony family , they will probably get away with all of it. And I suppose the main thing is making sure Casey Anthony pays . After all that is what justice is going to amount to. At dinner my cousins and I were talking and somehow I can't see the Anthony marriage surviving this. You know Cindy has to be really kind of mad at George inside for telling the truth esp testifying against Casey at the grand jury. At least if nothing else, he can say that at one point he came forward.

I know, I know!!!! Her MIS-TRUTH file!!!! lol

From what I have read, it doesn't seem the Anthony marriage was on very steady ground BEFORE Caylee went missing, so for the marriage to go by the wayside when this is all said and done wouldn't surprise me one bit. Maybe not right away---too soon and they would still be "news" so, wait a bit, and quietly separate and divorce.

[Amy]

And what must poor Poppa be thinking about his grandchild? Amy, refresh my memory who is Shirley?

Shirley Pleasa, Poppa's wife and Cindy's mom.

[mu8shark]

Haven't we been watching (not only on NG, but other shows, too) this video for about a week now? I KNOW I saw it @ least midweek. Today, the picture was a little different, but she is still saying JUST RELEASED, I can't remember all the words, but one would think this video just came out TODAY!!!! No this tape is new. It just started airing on Friday because it was supposedly misplaced by LE and Baez the Bozo demanded it be released. So it was first on Jane V Mitchell on Friday. Some parts are new to be aired. I had not seen her saying she wanted to talk to her Dad because he does not ask constant questions. Silly old Cindy wanting answers about a missing child. Casey just acts like 'Why are we still talking about Caylee?""" Also anyone notice Jessica D has not been on Nancy since Nancy reamed her for calling Casey by her first name and implying Jessica was Caseys buddy? Dumb move, Jessica had inside info generally.

[mu8shark]

I know, I know!!!! Her MIS-TRUTH file!!!! lol

From what I have read, it doesn't seem the Anthony marriage was on very steady ground BEFORE Caylee went missing, so for the marriage to go by the wayside when this is all said and done wouldn't surprise me one bit. Maybe not right away---too soon and they would still be "news" so, wait a bit, and quietly separate and divorce. I know that they can't do that now but for me it would be hard being in that house knowing Caylee took her last breaths probably in that house. Also in the MIS TRUTH file , the tow yard manangers statement where he says the car did not smell until five days after it was at the tow yard.!! LOL.

[mu8shark]

Yes mu8shark they were in the last doc dump. Because I have so much trouble with pdf and some docs files can someone like in a nutshell tell me the gist? Did they believe the nanny story or were they critical and unbelieving of it?

[Amy]

No this tape is new. It just started airing on Friday because it was supposedly misplaced by LE and Baez the Bozo demanded it be released. So it was first on Jane V Mitchell on Friday. Some parts are new to be aired. I had not seen her saying she wanted to talk to her Dad because he does not ask constant questions. Silly old Cindy wanting answers about a missing child. Casey just acts like 'Why are we still talking about Caylee?""" Also anyone notice Jessica D has not been on Nancy since Nancy reamed her for calling Casey by her first name and implying Jessica was Caseys buddy? Dumb move, Jessica had inside info generally.

Four days old isn't "new" as in the way she puts it. I guess I must have watched it Friday and Saturday and Sunday and Monday, on some show or another.

[lorettalockhorn]

So by Shirleys sister you mean Caseys great aunt. Where can I read the emails between Grandma Shirley and her sister? Are they in the documents released? When you say on the ball , do they imply they know that Casey probably did it. Sorry to be so dense , I think I missed some of that info. Thanks

This link has the emails between Shirley and her sister (whose name I've forgotten, but she has a dog named Shadow). Not sure where they start, you may have to click "PREV" several/many times.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_19.htm

ETA: Don't remember that either one of them seem to indict Casey (or not).

[mu8shark]

Let's hope and pray that the elements didn't destroy evidence on that duct tape. RE: Poppa. That videotape of Caylee in his lap just breaks my heart. The two most distant and distinct generations of Casey's and Cindy's family (at least that we know of), comforting each other and Caylee looking so pensive.Yeah I know the water has been mentioned as a possible problem with that. Cross your fingers because if her prints are on that tape, that would be hard for the defense to explain. I mean how would they? That would just be a high five for justice if her prints were on there.

[mu8shark]

Four days old isn't "new" as in the way she puts it. I guess I must have watched it Friday and Saturday and Sunday and Monday, on some show or another. Yeah well if you put it that way. LOL four days is a while isn't it?

[mu8shark]

Yep, guess Nancy just used her red marker and crossed her name OFF that list!
Oh Please Nancy! Problem is, Nancy can't take an extended vacation off, 'cause she has LOTS of people who are Ready, Willing and ABLE to slide right into her chair ~ and she may not get it back! Can you say Pressure?

OT ~ Thousands of people are waiting at the Mall in DC for tommorrow's inauguration of Obama..with 13 long hours to go I hope they brought their port a potty's with 'em........not to mention heaters or something...People are Crazy I tell ya. I wonder if Headline news gets complaints about her at all. I mean surely they must. I say put someone else in her place and keep the show. Like one of these great reporters, Jessica or one of the redheads, the one with long hair is good and also the short haired red head. Hey thanks for the link on the emails guys.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep, guess Nancy just used her red marker and crossed her name OFF that list!
Oh Please Nancy! Problem is, Nancy can't take an extended vacation off, 'cause she has LOTS of people who are Ready, Willing and ABLE to slide right into her chair ~ and she may not get it back! Can you say Pressure?

OT ~ Thousands of people are waiting at the Mall in DC for tommorrow's inauguration of Obama..with 13 long hours to go I hope they brought their port a potty's with 'em........not to mention heaters or something...People are Crazy I tell ya.

Yet, there sits LP every night with his latest version of The World According to CARP (Casey Anthony Revisionist selfPromotion), and the Daisy Chain Theory(ies).

[mu8shark]

This link has the emails between Shirley and her sister (whose name I've forgotten, but she has a dog named Shadow). Not sure where they start, you may have to click "PREV" several/many times.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2901-2950_Page_19.htm

ETA: Don't remember that either one of them seem to indict Casey (or not).I just read the one where she says it is probably a good idea to kick Casey out and says that she heard Casey is directing her friends to go into the house and get stuff for her and she says and I quote,"That is not a good idea for George and Cindys privacy." What will the defense do with that, if someone else really does have key? S H I you know what.

[lorettalockhorn]

mu, the emails between Shirley and the sister, Loubea(?) begin on 6/5, but are prefaced with a handwritten note from Shirley to Yuri date 8/25.

[mu8shark]

Well everybody is probably gone but these emails from Rick and Cindys Mom and others are pretty revealing. In one of them Rick writes to Cindy he says that LE told him that one of the neighbors heard someone in the pool on the 16th right around the time Casey made a flurry of calls to her parents. I had not heard that. If true , what could that mean? Is this where Leonard got his theory she tried to stage a drowning. The really shocking thing is that Grandma Shirley had severe problems with Caseys truth telling before Caylee turned up missing and also I noticed in the emails that Shirley says Cindy found out that Casey had spent nearly every dime she and George had. Yikes! But it is interesting that Grandma mentions how Caseys tells tales and stories even before this happened. Anyways don't know what to make of the story that the neighbors heard someone in the pool on June 16!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you for the link Gumby woman ~ btw, Friday with 'the little green man' was hot hot hot Ummmmmmmmmmmm what did YOU do Saturday, dear? LOL


Love where she calls Casey an 'ingrate'! Ha

If I told you about Saturday, I would just sound like a moaner. (Which, you have to admit, is a step up from a whiner!)

Isn't it interesting that Shirley mentions that bi-polar disorder runs in George's family, and then also mentions compulsive behavior and that Casey has that too. Not sure if she means BPD or OCD or what, but it seems like one of the media mavens mentioned that Casey exhibits some bi-polar traits.

She also makes it sound like Cindy has had suicidal ideation.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well everybody is probably gone but these emails from Rick and Cindys Mom and others are pretty revealing. In one of them Rick writes to Cindy he says that LE told him that one of the neighbors heard someone in the pool on the 16th right around the time Casey made a flurry of calls to her parents. I had not heard that. If true , what could that mean? Is this where Leonard got his theory she tried to stage a drowning. The really shocking thing is that Grandma Shirley had severe problems with Caseys truth telling before Caylee turned up missing and also I noticed in the emails that Shirley says Cindy found out that Casey had spent nearly every dime she and George had. Yikes! But it is interesting that Grandma mentions how Caseys tells tales and stories even before this happened. Anyways don't know what to make of the story that the neighbors heard someone in the pool on June 16!!

Thanks, reading them again.

[sharlock]

Sharlock, where can I find info on that? Seems that work is getting in the way of my fact finding! :flamemad:
I know what you mean old_soul and the absolute volumes of info make everything hard to refind even when you know you heard saw or read it. I know that Cindy told the story about how she agreed to meet with LE next day to give them info about the tape they found of Caylee at the nursing home which changed the date of the last time she was seen and she bitterly complained that (because she couldn't reach her mum who she said could confirm the date of that tape and had asked them to wait until she could) LE went against her wishes and contacted her Mum and how that was what was one of the first things that caused the rift betwen Cindy and LE; on an interview. I even think it might have been on thaat rambling interview I posted where she said she stripped the bed and gave it to Baez. She talks of poppy not being well in jail meeting with Casey iirc but there are other links too ans I just don't have time to find them right now but I promise to look and post them for you later.

[mu8shark]

Wow, these emails are riveting. The lies that Cindy tells her own brother are hellacious! She says to him that Casey only stole 50.00 from her parents and he fires back not to lie to him that the mother showed him the statements where Casey had stolen more than that. It is so weird how she minimizes it. She also tells her brother Caseys is a wonderful person and a great mother. I guess that is her opinion of course. The other thing is when they get into it about there being no proof of the nanny , Cindy says she has photos she knows are of the nannys apartment and she gave the police belongings of the nannys. WTF? She knows that apartment is not the Nannys. Casey told her it was Ricardos apartment. Also I noticed early in the emails, she says she will do anything to protect her girls. Which I think goes to the core of the lies. There is this interesting little exchange about Greta and Rick told her he was going to do Gretas show and he decided not to out of respect for her. Cindy replies that Greta said to her ",CIndy I can't wait until Caylee comes home and you can say F you to everyone who did not believe you. " ANd Rick replies, "Everyone on Greta thinks Caylee is dead and Casey did it." I admit it, I find these emails fascinating. Sorry if this is all old news to some of you, but some of this stuff is really telling. Her own mother thinks Cindy is creating stuff to cover for Casey, according to her emails and Ricks. .

[mu8shark]

I think I started reading around page 29 and will go back and read the rest before that tomorrow. Boy her brother and her probably will never speak again. Does anyone recall in any of those interviews Cindy talking about having belongings that are Zannys? I did not get to hear the FBI ones and there was no transcripts. I don't remember this at all in the local LE ones. I wonder if this is just something she made up to make it look like there was a nanny because her brother was asking for proof. Good God Almighty! Nitey nite.

[Amy]

I think I started reading around page 29 and will go back and read the rest before that tomorrow. Boy her brother and her probably will never speak again. Does anyone recall in any of those interviews Cindy talking about having belongings that are Zannys? I did not get to hear the FBI ones and there was no transcripts. I don't remember this at all in the local LE ones. I wonder if this is just something she made up to make it look like there was a nanny because her brother was asking for proof. Good God Almighty! Nitey nite.

Not that I have the interviews or shows memorized or anything, but I really don't recall her saying she had pics of Nanny's apartment, or belongings of hers. The only mentions I remember were that she says she had heard of Zanny for I think about 1 1/2 years, that she had never met the nanny, and didn't have any info about her. And that while Caylee didn't speak of the nanny, Cindy was sure it had to be true because Caylee could count to 42 in spanish.

[eatcupcakes]

The Liar never, ever, had any intention of putting Caylee up for adoption. She told Kiomarie what she wanted to hear, probably to see what she could get out of her and probably scare Cindy into doing whatever she wanted her to do. The Liar told Jesse that she would never carry a baby for 9 months and then give it to someone else. She's too selfish to do that. She saw Caylee as a means of attention and money. Cindy and George did offer to adopt Caylee many times, but was refused.


Gezzz how do you know all this are you a relative of the Ants. I am a little confused, just how did having Caylee get the Liar money. No father to pay child support and it has been reported that she never filed for assistance. She preferred instead to rob her friends and family. This is a very sad story, no winners here just a dead little girl and family who are grieving and a mother who dosen't give a c--p exceot about herself. I was watching one of the jail house tapes and all she, the Liar, was saying to her Mom and Dad is that her whole life has been taken away from her. What about Caylee she has no life anymore. I truly despise the Liar.

[eatcupcakes]

Wow, these emails are riveting. The lies that Cindy tells her own brother are hellacious! She says to him that Casey only stole 50.00 from her parents and he fires back not to lie to him that the mother showed him the statements where Casey had stolen more than that. It is so weird how she minimizes it. She also tells her brother Caseys is a wonderful person and a great mother. I guess that is her opinion of course. The other thing is when they get into it about there being no proof of the nanny , Cindy says she has photos she knows are of the nannys apartment and she gave the police belongings of the nannys. WTF? She knows that apartment is not the Nannys. Casey told her it was Ricardos apartment. Also I noticed early in the emails, she says she will do anything to protect her girls. Which I think goes to the core of the lies. There is this interesting little exchange about Greta and Rick told her he was going to do Gretas show and he decided not to out of respect for her. Cindy replies that Greta said to her ",CIndy I can't wait until Caylee comes home and you can say F you to everyone who did not believe you. " ANd Rick replies, "Everyone on Greta thinks Caylee is dead and Casey did it." I admit it, I find these emails fascinating. Sorry if this is all old news to some of you, but some of this stuff is really telling. Her own mother thinks Cindy is creating stuff to cover for Casey, according to her emails and Ricks. .

I have said it before and I will say it again, Cindy is a Liar and taught her daughter well. The Apple did not fall far from the tree in this case.

[eatcupcakes]

You have a point. She tells LE that she had been to a lawyer about seeing to it that, if anything happened to Casey, that she (and George? or just she?) would have sole custody of Caylee. Which seemed pretty wierd--considering they were maintaining that baby daddy was DEAD, and there did not seem to be anyone from his family looking for Caylee. But, the point is, LE checked w/the lawyer that CINDY named, and he had no file about the A's. Could very well be that she is just saying she saw a therapist. Could be that she did, but it's hard to know WHAT part of her statements to believe.


Cindy and Casey's Mantra, "When you are not sure what to say LIE".:shrug:

[Lodi]

I agree Sara and i think she kept Caylee for the time she did as she was her pawn and meal ticket to stay in G&C's graces. Casey knew she was going to get the boot and Caylee as leverage was no longer working for her. MOO

Computer searches done months earlier for chloroform. Stealing untold amounts of money from her parents and grandparents. The death of Caylee. Partying like there was no tomorrow. This seems like Casey was committing a long drawn out form of suicide.

[Gatordog]

Wow, I have a lot to read. You guys have been busy. I didn't get on last night because I was busy making inauguration cupcakes for our party at work today. I should have gotten on....oh well.

One thing I wanted to bring up that had been eating at me whenever I saw it. A few times, Cindy asks the Liar what do you want me to say to Zani when I'm on television. The Liar replies, tell her I forgive her. That struck me as odd and I couldn't figure out why. I realized why last night.

If someone had taken my dog because and was keeping him, I would say, please bring him back, I am so sorry for whatever I did. Let's talk about it, tell me what I did wrong and I will change. I won't do it again. I wouldn't say, I forgive you. Once again, the Liar is clearing herself of all wrongdoing. I see it as her forgiving herself for killing Caylee.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Amy, Cindy was talking about items from Z ~ she stated she was in possession of a flat iron bought by Z and I will try to remember what other items Cindy said. I heard it, but where, I don't remember.

I'm going to make a pot of joe ~ maybe that will help my brain...I'll be back.

I think some beauty store better do an inventory check... one might be missing a flat iron.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Gezzz how do you know all this are you a relative of the Ants. I am a little confused, just how did having Caylee get the Liar money. No father to pay child support and it has been reported that she never filed for assistance. She preferred instead to rob her friends and family. This is a very sad story, no winners here just a dead little girl and family who are grieving and a mother who dosen't give a c--p exceot about herself. I was watching one of the jail house tapes and all she, the Liar, was saying to her Mom and Dad is that her whole life has been taken away from her. What about Caylee she has no life anymore. I truly despise the Liar.

What did I do to you to deserve being asked if I'm a relative of the Ants.

As long as the Liar had Caylee in her parents house - she did not have to work to support herself. Nuf said and don't even think of apologizing to me about that attrocious comment.

Gator

[eatcupcakes]

What did I do to you to deserve being asked if I'm a relative of the Ants.

As long as the Liar had Caylee in her parents house - she did not have to work to support herself. Nuf said and don't even think of apologizing to me about that attrocious comment.

Gator

was not trying to insult you by asking if you are related to the Ants, you seemd to have inside info. I am sure they have good people related to them. As a matter of fact I like George. I think poor George was munipulated by his wife and daughter. I think he is suffering the most over the loss of Caylee.
But you know all this stuff we are talking about really will have no effect at the trial. The Proscutor and LE have actual facts not just speculation and the facts are what is going to put the Liar away for life. We all have the same reason for being on this site so lets be friends okay :punch:

Gator[/QUOTE]

[Lodi]

Yes i do think it was drawn out. I think she was getting boxed in. Running out of friends to steal from. Parents were running out of money for her to steal. I think G&C were starting to ask the questions that should have been asked long ago. She was one out of control socio as she realized she was no longer in control. It was only a matter of time before everything caught up to her. Caylee was now a liability and what better way to destroy her mother.MOO

I don't know what went on in the Anthony home during the year before Caylee's death but there must have been some confrontations. I've tried to figure out if G&C had enough warnings that could have prevented this tragedy. When they caught Casey stealing the gandparents money, should they have had Casey arrested and then taken Caylee from her, (legally)? Was Caylee doomed from the day she was born just because Casey was her mother? I don't know if I buy the idea that Casey is not insane just because she knows what she was doing was wrong.

[Gatordog]

was not trying to insult you by asking if you are related to the Ants, you seemd to have inside info. I am sure they have good people related to them. As a matter of fact I like George. I think poor George was munipulated by his wife and daughter. I think he is suffering the most over the loss of Caylee.
But you know all this stuff we are talking about really will have no effect at the trial. The Proscutor and LE have actual facts not just speculation and the facts are what is going to put the Liar away for life. We all have the same reason for being on this site so lets be friends okay :punch:

Gator[/QUOTE]

Are you hitting me on the head too?

I don't have any inside info. I live a few miles from the Anthonys. I've watched just about every news cast and read every newspaper article. I have an excellent memory and if I say something that's my opinion, I'll say so. I have been very careful to weigh facts and not speculate. I've tried to be fair and have gone to a lot of places in question to judge for myself the accuracy of statements. I don't try to pass off my opinion here as fact. I've tried to be accurate and as close to the facts as possible. I have not tried to mislead anyone or tell something that I did not think was true. If I have been wrong, I will come back and say so.

Gator

[Lodi]

I agree the Liar is far from insane. I think Caylee was doomed from day one. Not because of any one thing but the sum of it all. As sad as it is. Not all socoi's kill. Liar was never made accountable for anything in my opine and was allowed to manipulate all her life. Never a good outcome but not always murder. I am not blaming the Ant's for Caylee's death. Only for enabling their daughter which ended in tragedy. The Liar just never learned consequences to one's actions which i believe just further fueled her sociopathic mind in believing she could get away with anything. MOO

So if a person is never made accountable for anything and never learned the consequences to their actions, how do they know right from wrong? She may know something is against the law but still not consider it wrong.

[eatcupcakes]

Are you hitting me on the head too?

I don't have any inside info. I live a few miles from the Anthonys. I've watched just about every news cast and read every newspaper article. I have an excellent memory and if I say something that's my opinion, I'll say so. I have been very careful to weigh facts and not speculate. I've tried to be fair and have gone to a lot of places in question to judge for myself the accuracy of statements. I don't try to pass off my opinion here as fact. I've tried to be accurate and as close to the facts as possible. I have not tried to mislead anyone or tell something that I did not think was true. If I have been wrong, I will come back and say so.

Gator[/QUOTE]

No I'm not hitting you, LOL. I thought they looked like friends holding hands. I am sure you know a lot of info because you live in FL and get all the local news and other info and thanks for sharing. Are you Gatordog because you like dogs, I have 3, but we don't have gators in Az, just Coyotes.

[Amy]

Amy, Cindy was talking about items from Z ~ she stated she was in possession of a flat iron bought by Z and I will try to remember what other items Cindy said. I heard it, but where, I don't remember.

I'm going to make a pot of joe ~ maybe that will help my brain...I'll be back.

Wow. She goes from only hearing the name to having possessions. I wonder if the flat iron was something Casey brought to the house to use w/the hair straightner? (Do they still iron hair?) Or, maybe Cindy's iron had gone on the blitz and Casey brought Z's in so her mom could continue to press HER clothes (Casey's.)

[Amy]

I don't know what went on in the Anthony home during the year before Caylee's death but there must have been some confrontations. I've tried to figure out if G&C had enough warnings that could have prevented this tragedy. When they caught Casey stealing the gandparents money, should they have had Casey arrested and then taken Caylee from her, (legally)? Was Caylee doomed from the day she was born just because Casey was her mother? I don't know if I buy the idea that Casey is not insane just because she knows what she was doing was wrong.

I have heard of parents who have brought charges against their children stealing from them. Even in Cindy minimizes it in her mind or to others (like telling Rick it was only $50) when she confronts Casey (if she did, on the $ stolen from her) and Casey continues, something more than confrontation has to be done. Even if it HAD been only $50 each time, small amounts over time do add up.

I don't think Casey is insane, she acts sociopathic, narsisstic (like SOOO many other cases I have followed, and in Ann Rule's books.) But, the factor for being eligible for standing trial IS whether or not she knew it was wrong. Yep, knew it was wrong, didn't care, but tried to make sure she wasn't blamed. IMO

[Gatordog]

Are you hitting me on the head too?

I don't have any inside info. I live a few miles from the Anthonys. I've watched just about every news cast and read every newspaper article. I have an excellent memory and if I say something that's my opinion, I'll say so. I have been very careful to weigh facts and not speculate. I've tried to be fair and have gone to a lot of places in question to judge for myself the accuracy of statements. I don't try to pass off my opinion here as fact. I've tried to be accurate and as close to the facts as possible. I have not tried to mislead anyone or tell something that I did not think was true. If I have been wrong, I will come back and say so.

Gator

No I'm not hitting you, LOL. I thought they looked like friends holding hands. I am sure you know a lot of info because you live in FL and get all the local news and other info and thanks for sharing. Are you Gatordog because you like dogs, I have 3, but we don't have gators in Az, just Coyotes.[/QUOTE]

My big dog is named Gator because when I adopted him 13 years ago, they told me he was born on a farm in Gainesville which is where the University of Florida is - the Gators. Love all animals, actually more than people :) I have two dogs, four cats, and three frogs the frogs are PeeWee, Kiwi and Cinco. Cats are Suki (18.7 years old), Christian, MamaMia, and Colby Jack - 14 months old and are brothers and sister. We have Coyotes here too, actually they have been spotted very close to the city instead of the wild.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Wow. She goes from only hearing the name to having possessions. I wonder if the flat iron was something Casey brought to the house to use w/the hair straightner? (Do they still iron hair?) Or, maybe Cindy's iron had gone on the blitz and Casey brought Z's in so her mom could continue to press HER clothes (Casey's.)

Hair iron is a straightner. It's that thing that looks like tongs. At least I'm guessing that's what her's looks like. I don't think Cindy knew a thing about it until the Liar made that statement in jail.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Have fun at your party today Gator-watching all the celebration up here on CNN-saw a Canadian flag flying-we are there in spirit. If any goodies left send em on up-will be covered in icicles by the time they get here but willing to wait for them to thaw :D

Everyone is welcome to this party. We have people from Germany, Argentina, Japan and the Santo Domingo attending. And we welcome all our friends from the North too. We're all happy and we're going to eat Broadway's Pizza so it can't get much better. :D

Gator

[Amy]

Hair iron is a straightner. It's that thing that looks like tongs. At least I'm guessing that's what her's looks like. I don't think Cindy knew a thing about it until the Liar made that statement in jail.

Gator

Kind of like, the key Casey gave to Zanny. Only, I can't figure out if Casey had mentioned this to Cindy and she was asking about it, or if Cindy just made that up @ the moment, trying to give Casey an out, so to speak. One of those "clues"----hhmmm.....I've got to come up with something, so I'll ask about a key and Casey will pick up on that and tell LE she gave a key to the nanny.

[shadydaisy]

Everyone is welcome to this party. We have people from Germany, Argentina, Japan and the Santo Domingo attending. And we welcome all our friends from the North too. We're all happy and we're going to eat Broadway's Pizza so it can't get much better. :D

Gator

I'll bring the Bloody Mary's.

Are there any news updates on the immunity sought for C&G and Lee?

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree Sara and i think she kept Caylee for the time she did as she was her pawn and meal ticket to stay in G&C's graces. Casey knew she was going to get the boot and Caylee as leverage was no longer working for her. MOO

Bottom line: Caylee was Casey's meal ticket.

Of course the Liar knew it was wrong. The difference is she did not care. MOO

Okay, so there are two bottom lines! Why should she care? Laws and morals and ethics are for everyone else.

[lorettalockhorn]

Kind of like, the key Casey gave to Zanny. Only, I can't figure out if Casey had mentioned this to Cindy and she was asking about it, or if Cindy just made that up @ the moment, trying to give Casey an out, so to speak. One of those "clues"----hhmmm.....I've got to come up with something, so I'll ask about a key and Casey will pick up on that and tell LE she gave a key to the nanny.

I'm telling you, I really think that was rehearsed. Cindy would ask about a key, Casey would confirm that Zanny had one, and voila! they've planted the seed for Zanny to have been in the house lifting the articles that would be found with Caylee's remains.

[lorettalockhorn]

OT ~

Watching inauguration..WOW, I have never seen anything like this in my life, so many people there in DC like this for a Pres. to be sworn in. This is unbelievable.

Watching too. How can people listen to someone recite The Lord's Prayer without joining in? Aretha looked (and sounded) fabu in her hat!

[One2Snoop]

Bottom line: Caylee was Casey's meal ticket.

Okay, so there are two bottom lines! Why should she care? Laws and morals and ethics are for everyone else.

She certainly didn't think that one through did she? Now prison is her meal ticket. Sad for Caylee, too bad for Casey.

[One2Snoop]

OT ~

Watching inauguration..WOW, I have never seen anything like this in my life, so many people there in DC like this for a Pres. to be sworn in. This is unbelievable.

I've been to one inauguration back in 2001 - not nearly the crowd but its still an awesome experience if you ever get the chance to go. :patriot:

[One2Snoop]

Hell no I won't go! LOL No POTTY for miles, holy cow, Times Square for New Years is one thing, had the hotel close by, but I could never make it that long!

However did you finally get out of there One2? That must have been another few hours at least.

All in all, very exciting though.... and I'm nice and warm! :patriot:

We did a lot of walking and took the metro to and from - it would've been impossible to drive.
IIRC they had port-a-potties just about everywhere and before we even went to the spot where we watched we had to stop by our senator's office to get our tickets - they had a nice potty in there LOL!

[One2Snoop]

....
ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

January 19, 2009
• Casey Anthony Attorney Under Fire for Entertainment Deals, Requests Change of Venue; The "Lost Tapes" on the Caylee Anthony Case

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ijvm.html

NANCY GRACE

Anthony Attorney Rumored Seeking Entertainment Deal
Aired January 19, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/19/ng.01.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought that too.I even said it with him! That Robin Meade talked through Aretha :flamemad: so I didn't hear her!

I hope to dear God this man can do even 50% of what he hopes to..This world is messed up...He definately has his work cut out for him. I worry about Al Queda now too...can't trust 'em, and we are vulnerable no matter what they say. I told my daughters..life as we knew it is a thing of the past ~ it's a terrible legacy being passed on the the youth of America, and much different than anything you and I have lived through.

God Bless America!:patriot:

:)

Leave it to Aretha, she carried that hat off like nobody's business!!

I said it too, it's OUR Father, not MY Father. And as if here isn't enough to gripe about where Rick Warren is concerned, he said trespassers instead of debtors. teehee

Godspeed Mr. Obama. And all of us. Aretha coulda shoulda rocked out R.E.S.P.E.C.T after My Country Tis of Thee.

(I'm watching on CNBC. Wish Larry Kudlow would hold off on the bashing until tomorrow!)

[lorettalockhorn]

She certainly didn't think that one through did she? Now prison is her meal ticket. Sad for Caylee, too bad for Casey.


http://i44.tinypic.com/29eiqmw.jpg

Soup Nazi to Casey: NO CHILI FOR YOU!!

[lorettalockhorn]

"Yep, quit your whining girl, and eat your rinds. NO Chili for you, ragbag".

Another thing that has ALWAYS bugged the hell out of me, no one has even mentioned either, in ALL of the pictures we have seen, Casey next to Caylee, Casey is always tan tan tan and Caylee looked like she was never in the sun. For a little kid who spent so much time at that damn beach with her Nanny, she never got any color.Hmmmmmmmmmm

and...for a girl who worked those lonnnnnggggggggggg hours at Universal, how could you be so tanned? Bet your butt, she spent most days getting sun, but where was Caylee? God knows she had loads of time, cause she WASN'T working.

So true that Caylee was pale, especially in comparison to Casey, and I'll assume that they spent plenty of time in the Ants' pool. Maybe Caylee was always slathered in sunscreen. Something that makes me wonder is that I don't think I've ever seen any pix of Caylee with other kids. Did she spend all her time with adults?

[Gatordog]

I'm telling you, I really think that was rehearsed. Cindy would ask about a key, Casey would confirm that Zanny had one, and voila! they've planted the seed for Zanny to have been in the house lifting the articles that would be found with Caylee's remains.

Here is a transcription of the portion of tape pertaining to the key. I didn't think that Cindy mentioned a key but asked if someone had been in their house.

“Is someone threatening us?” Cindy Anthony asked.

“Mom, just leave it at that, please,” Casey Anthony replied. “Because this is recorded, and I don’t know who’s going to see things, and they’re going to misconstrue whatever else, like I said, there’s things that I directly need to say each of you.”

“Has someone else been in our house?” Cindy Anthony said.”I don’t know, mom. Possibly,” Casey Anthony said. “I told you a long time ago that she had a key.”

I personally don't think it was scripted only because of the timeline. But, when the Liar says she told her a long time ago that Zenaida had a key, that is total BS - but Cindy doesn't question her. Probably doesn't believe her either because as far as I know, the house locks were never changed.

Gator

[Amy]

I am one of those "pop" people HA!!!! I know i could not get over her claim Zanny was rich. I am not sterotyping here but all the places she pointed out Zanny lived at were far from affluent areas. I thought wealthy people worked or went to lunch,trips,salons,charity work etc. Didn't know they babysat for free. Ya gotta luv how she slits her own throat with her outlandish claims. I luv that she cant see that the rest of the world can see right thru her. MOO

We still say wanna go for a coke? When, it has been YEARS since most people (except my Mom) have drank Coca Cola. I dated a fellow once who kept mumbling something--come to find out, he wanted to know if I wanted a soda--never heard it called that before. Pop or Coke, but hadn't heard soda. And he grew up only about 300 miles to the east!!!

Yep, the rich lady who could have duplicates of everything for Caylee, who might have been receiving money from Jeff (?) to nannyize HIS kid, but didn't need money from Casey. Altho, Casey, I guess out of the goodness of her heart "paid her well" $400 a week!!! Heck, maybe that is how nanny got rich!!! $400/week for each kid, maybe the 2, maybe more. $800+/week. I guess you could call being a nanny for some poor single working mom would be considered charity? :D

[Gatordog]

"Yep, quit your whining girl, and eat your rinds. NO Chili for you, ragbag".

Another thing that has ALWAYS bugged the hell out of me, no one has even mentioned either, in ALL of the pictures we have seen, Casey next to Caylee, Casey is always tan tan tan and Caylee looked like she was never in the sun. For a little kid who spent so much time at that damn beach with her Nanny, she never got any color.Hmmmmmmmmmm

and...for a girl who worked those lonnnnnggggggggggg hours at Universal, how could you be so tanned? Bet your butt, she spent most days getting sun, but where was Caylee? God knows she had loads of time, cause she WASN'T working.


Florida girls don't waste their time laying in the sun for a tan - there is a tanning salon in just about every strip mall. You can't drive two blocks without finding a center that doesn't have a nail salon or tanning salon. Especially here, near the University of Central Florida.

[Amy]

I'm telling you, I really think that was rehearsed. Cindy would ask about a key, Casey would confirm that Zanny had one, and voila! they've planted the seed for Zanny to have been in the house lifting the articles that would be found with Caylee's remains.

And also if the house is the actual crime scene, Zanny would have had access.

[Amy]

I said it too, it's OUR Father, not MY Father. And as if here isn't enough to gripe about where Rick Warren is concerned, he said trespassers instead of debtors. teehee

Godspeed Mr. Obama. And all of us. Aretha coulda shoulda rocked out R.E.S.P.E.C.T after My Country Tis of Thee.

(I'm watching on CNBC. Wish Larry Kudlow would hold off on the bashing until tomorrow!)

Uhmmm.... where I come from, that is how it is said. Forgive our trespassers.....guess that might be a regional thing also? Or, different religions say it differently? I know the first time I attended a Catholic service--they didn't say the end of the prayer!!!! Was my face red when I continued on and the rest of the congregation stopped!!!! ;)

[Amy]

"Yep, quit your whining girl, and eat your rinds. NO Chili for you, ragbag".

Another thing that has ALWAYS bugged the hell out of me, no one has even mentioned either, in ALL of the pictures we have seen, Casey next to Caylee, Casey is always tan tan tan and Caylee looked like she was never in the sun. For a little kid who spent so much time at that damn beach with her Nanny, she never got any color.Hmmmmmmmmmm

and...for a girl who worked those lonnnnnggggggggggg hours at Universal, how could you be so tanned? Bet your butt, she spent most days getting sun, but where was Caylee? God knows she had loads of time, cause she WASN'T working.

Some people just don't tan (easily.) I can spend the summer in the sun and look like I have just walked out of being in a cave for months. Our CA cousins call us the ghost cousins. My brother and 2 of my sisters walk out in the sun come spring, and can walk back in 10 minutes later all tanned.

[Amy]

Here is a transcription of the portion of tape pertaining to the key. I didn't think that Cindy mentioned a key but asked if someone had been in their house.

“Is someone threatening us?” Cindy Anthony asked.

“Mom, just leave it at that, please,” Casey Anthony replied. “Because this is recorded, and I don’t know who’s going to see things, and they’re going to misconstrue whatever else, like I said, there’s things that I directly need to say each of you.”

“Has someone else been in our house?” Cindy Anthony said.”I don’t know, mom. Possibly,” Casey Anthony said. “I told you a long time ago that she had a key.”

I personally don't think it was scripted only because of the timeline. But, when the Liar says she told her a long time ago that Zenaida had a key, that is total BS - but Cindy doesn't question her. Probably doesn't believe her either because as far as I know, the house locks were never changed.

Gator

In the other tape, tho, is where Cindy says something about, now Zanny has a key, or you gave Zanny a key? She says the name, Zanny in that one.

[lissyanne1]

Yeah it never takes long for the weighty bloaty look to set in from all the high carb foods. Pasty look too from lack of sun. She will hate that. :D

Susan Smith and Andrea Yates come to mind. Susan Smith has been puffy and matronly looking ever since being incarcerated. Andrea Yates gained a ton of weight but that could also be from meds especially antidepressants (I myself having had to take them in the past for pms had gained a ton from assorted ones) sorry about the TMI:D

[shadydaisy]

Uhmmm.... where I come from, that is how it is said. Forgive our trespassers.....guess that might be a regional thing also? Or, different religions say it differently? I know the first time I attended a Catholic service--they didn't say the end of the prayer!!!! Was my face red when I continued on and the rest of the congregation stopped!!!! ;)

This is the Catholic version http://http://www.catholicplanet.com/catholic/our.htm (http://www.catholicplanet.com/catholic/our.htm")

I don't know if other religions use different versions.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here is a transcription of the portion of tape pertaining to the key. I didn't think that Cindy mentioned a key but asked if someone had been in their house.

“Is someone threatening us?” Cindy Anthony asked.

“Mom, just leave it at that, please,” Casey Anthony replied. “Because this is recorded, and I don’t know who’s going to see things, and they’re going to misconstrue whatever else, like I said, there’s things that I directly need to say each of you.”

“Has someone else been in our house?” Cindy Anthony said.”I don’t know, mom. Possibly,” Casey Anthony said. “I told you a long time ago that she had a key.”

I personally don't think it was scripted only because of the timeline. But, when the Liar says she told her a long time ago that Zenaida had a key, that is total BS - but Cindy doesn't question her. Probably doesn't believe her either because as far as I know, the house locks were never changed.

Gator

That Cindy didn't make a big deal about someone having a key, especially the *gasp* Hispanic woman who supposedly kidnapped Caylee, and because there has been no report that the locks were changed is exactly why I think that exchange was scripted.

[lorettalockhorn]

Uhmmm.... where I come from, that is how it is said. Forgive our trespassers.....guess that might be a regional thing also? Or, different religions say it differently? I know the first time I attended a Catholic service--they didn't say the end of the prayer!!!! Was my face red when I continued on and the rest of the congregation stopped!!!! ;)

No, it's denominational rather than regional. I'm Presbyterian. I forgive my debtors. For trespassers I have a .410 shogun.

[Amy]

No, it's denominational rather than regional. I'm Presbyterian. I forgive my debtors. For trespassers I have a .410 shogun.

Methodist here. lol on the shotgun!!!!

[Amy]

This is the Catholic version http://http://www.catholicplanet.com/catholic/our.htm (http://www.catholicplanet.com/catholic/our.htm")

I don't know if other religions use different versions.

Interesting. The site I looked up had 2 versions--trespassers and sinners, but no debtors!!! lol I had heard the debtor version (probably the time I went to a Catholic mass) but not the sinner one.

http://www.prayerguide.org.uk/lordsprayer.htm

[Lodi]

O/T I saw on TV where Senator Byrd and Senator Kennedy left the presidential luncheon in ambulances. No word on the cause.

[SaraSidle]

You know what I can't get out of my head. What if anything is on that duct tape? I noticed LE came out last week and said they were sure now Casey did it alone and had no accomplice. So I was thinking if her fingerprints were on that tape maybe that would lead them to suddenly announce that, as in looks folks nobody else moved the body there, we now have proof. Kind of as a way to tell the public or hint without saying guess what we found on the duct tape? I know, I know maybe it is just wishful thinking. It just seemed like they found something to lead them to that conclusion and announce it all of a sudden .

would be nice to know any toxicology report from the remains also!!!!!IMO

[SaraSidle]

Early on after the body was found Michael Baden did a demonstration on Fox news panel showing in his opinion using gloves with duct tape would be damn near impossible. And it was a pretty impressive demonstration. I don't see how she could of used gloves. I think Baden is right on that. It gives me hope they found something. You know they have found some more forensic info because all of a sudden they made that statement and said they had overwhelming evidence of intentioinal murder , that she did it alone and then they gave the dates they had pinned down. So something new was found,n


I missed that one mu8shark and thank you for the information. that does sound positive. IMO

[shadydaisy]

No, it's denominational rather than regional. I'm Presbyterian. I forgive my debtors. For trespassers I have a .410 shogun.

It's embarassing when I lol while sitting at my desk. I have very dry, serious job and now my boss thinks I'm going insane. I sneak here to refresh.

[lorettalockhorn]

O/T I saw on TV where Senator Byrd and Senator Kennedy left the presidential luncheon in ambulances. No word on the cause.

Heard that too. According to this Byrd is fine. 91; WOW! Kennedy was convulsing. Godspeed

http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE50J6W920090120

[SaraSidle]

Yep, guess Nancy just used her red marker and crossed her name OFF that list!
Oh Please Nancy! Problem is, Nancy can't take an extended vacation off, 'cause she has LOTS of people who are Ready, Willing and ABLE to slide right into her chair ~ and she may not get it back! Can you say Pressure?

OT ~ Thousands of people are waiting at the Mall in DC for tommorrow's inauguration of Obama..with 13 long hours to go I hope they brought their port a potty's with 'em........not to mention heaters or something...People are Crazy I tell ya.

Actually OS I am jealous of all the people that made it there. We could not afford it even though I have 2 cousins who live in DC. History is being made and I am so happy it is. And Michelle looked wonderul and Obama's speech was wonderful but the luncheon menu did not sound good IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

It's embarassing when I lol while sitting at my desk. I have very dry, serious job and now my boss thinks I'm going insane. I sneak here to refresh.

I'm surprised that my neighbors have never called to report a hyena over here.

http://i26.tinypic.com/rs8v37.jpg

[mu8shark]

Not that I have the interviews or shows memorized or anything, but I really don't recall her saying she had pics of Nanny's apartment, or belongings of hers. The only mentions I remember were that she says she had heard of Zanny for I think about 1 1/2 years, that she had never met the nanny, and didn't have any info about her. And that while Caylee didn't speak of the nanny, Cindy was sure it had to be true because Caylee could count to 42 in spanish. It is not in any interviews. It is in the email to her brother when he challenges to show that the nanny exists. She tells him she has photos of the nanny's apartment and that she is going to turn over belongings of the nannys to the police, which of course is bogus. But no she does not mention this in any interviews.

[lorettalockhorn]

Casey Anthony case: State attorney's office slams WFTV's Baez report

I thought WFTV-Channel 9's story Monday night about Jose Baez was gossipy and lacking substance.

The story raised the possibility that Baez may have a conflict of interest in representing Casey Anthony and could be removed from the case for that reason. WFTV reported that someone has complained to the state attorney's office that Baez could have made a deal based on the case's outcome.

I'm not the only one who had a problem with reporter Mary Nguyen's story. So did Randy Means, a spokesman for the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office.

His comments were distributed to reporters at WFTV, WESH-Channel 2, WKMG-Channel 6 and the Sentinel:

"My Friday conversation with Mary from Channel 9 was very simple. I told her that we also have heard from media employees that questions [have] arisen as to Defendant Anthony's counsel. I wouldn't specify what question. I informed the reporter that it is the court's responsibility to insure a fair trial for the accused and if any improprieties actually took place by either side, defense or state, both the Florida Bar and the Courts are venues that would hear the complaints. If her story stated anything other than that, it was a creation of a futile mind and questionable ethics."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/casey-anthony-case-what-about-wftvs-story-on-jose-baez.html

[mu8shark]

I don't know what went on in the Anthony home during the year before Caylee's death but there must have been some confrontations. I've tried to figure out if G&C had enough warnings that could have prevented this tragedy. When they caught Casey stealing the gandparents money, should they have had Casey arrested and then taken Caylee from her, (legally)? Was Caylee doomed from the day she was born just because Casey was her mother? I don't know if I buy the idea that Casey is not insane just because she knows what she was doing was wrong. She does not fit the legal definition of insanity which is very, very narrow. When you cover up a crime it is very hard to get off on insanity and she has done too much to cover. Also, in less than 1 per cent of cases where insanity is used as a defense is it even successful. If she were to go for the insanity defense she would have to cop to doing it. There is no plea of I did not do it and I am insane. Only I did it and am insane. Casey will never, ever cop to this. No offense to cops. LOL Also, someone else said she was commiting a slow suicide. This girl is far too narcissistic to really do that. She would like nothing better than to get off and go back to her life. It occured to me that when her parents ask about Caylee and ask for clues she gets really mad. It is like she is saying, "That subject is over for me. I am so over anything to do with Caylee, let's talk about me. " It must be so frustrating for her because part of what probably made her hate her child so much was that the child had begun to take a lot of attention away from Casey. Once she killed her, that attention did not go away. Cindy particulary got even more focused on Caylee and did not just switch her full attention to Casey. And of course she is obsessed with finding Caylee, who would not be? Casey seems to truly not understand their fixation with finding this little girl. I was waiting for her to say,"Can we please talk about something else. Caylee is such a boring and frustrating subject."

[lorettalockhorn]

It is not in any interviews. It is in the email to her brother when he challenges to show that the nanny exists. She tells him she has photos of the nanny's apartment and that she is going to turn over belongings of the nannys to the police, which of course is bogus. But no she does not mention this in any interviews.

You know, I just have to wonder sometimes if Cindy lies just so she'll be completely worthless to the prosecution AND to the defense. She can be impeached easily, so who would want her to testify for them? That'd be great. She wouldn't actually have to swear to anything that would implicate The Liar, but she maybe she wouldn't have to acually lie under oath to save Casey's skanky arse either.

[mu8shark]

Yes i do think it was drawn out. I think she was getting boxed in. Running out of friends to steal from. Parents were running out of money for her to steal. I think G&C were starting to ask the questions that should have been asked long ago. She was one out of control socio as she realized she was no longer in control. It was only a matter of time before everything caught up to her. Caylee was now a liability and what better way to destroy her mother.MOOAbsolutely! One of the most stunning things about the emails between Cindy and her brother is that when he confronts Cindy about Casey stealing from her grandparents which really pissed off her brother Rick(not speaking for him as it says so in his email) Cindy calmly tells him it was only $50.00 and she did not technically steal a check , she just copied down the routing number and stole it like that. I gotta tell you even if I had been 22, if I had stolen from my grandparents , my parents would not have been like minimizing it. Stealing is stealing. And of course Rick tells her he is looking at the bank statements and it was more than that and he accuses her of lying about the amount. It is like they always made these kinds of excuses for her.

[lorettalockhorn]

it was a creation of a futile mind and questionable ethics."[/I]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/casey-anthony-case-what-about-wftvs-story-on-jose-baez.html

Oh snap Futile or furtile?

[SaraSidle]

Just finished reading the emails between Shirley and Loubea. I feel like a voyeur, looking in someone's drawers or diary or.........
(and here she's telling her it's between she and her) sheesh.

I feel very sad right now about this case. Every bit of these people lives, out there on display. Next thing we'll be hearing about is their sex life, in Someone's e mails. :rolleyes: I mean really, don't you all feel sometimes we just know too much? I'm sure they haven't thanked their Casey for putting their s**t out there in the street for all to see.. so much for tough love..."Nice job, Casey. Thanks for taking away Caylee And fragmenting what was left of our life".

You made me cry and I do not do that easily. you are such a great soul

[mu8shark]

You know, I just have to wonder sometimes if Cindy lies just so she'll be completely worthless to the prosecution AND to the defense. She can be impeached easily, so who would want her to testify for them? That'd be great. She wouldn't actually have to swear to anything that would implicate The Liar, but she maybe she wouldn't have to acually lie under oath to save Casey's skanky arse either.Oh Loretta I so agree on that. If I were the prosecution I would not use her hardly at all. Maybe the dead body smell in the car statement and the first 911 call. Let Baez use her and on cross the prosecution can delicately ask her about CONFLICTING statements! And think of this, she is so unpredictable. Sometimes it appears she lies on the spot, like Casey, so talk about asking questions you don't know the answer to!!

[mu8shark]

Kind of like, the key Casey gave to Zanny. Only, I can't figure out if Casey had mentioned this to Cindy and she was asking about it, or if Cindy just made that up @ the moment, trying to give Casey an out, so to speak. One of those "clues"----hhmmm.....I've got to come up with something, so I'll ask about a key and Casey will pick up on that and tell LE she gave a key to the nanny. I don't think Casey told Cindy that Zanny had a key because when Cindy ask her on that tape, she looks surprised and she says Maybe or I don't know, one of the two. She does not say Oh yes just like I told you , she has a key. I think it was starting to occur to Cindy that there were those searches on the comp and maybe some stuff was missing from the house and she needed to cover for 'precious' so she suggested to Casey that Zanny had a key,.. Then later on they can claim Zanny did the comp searches or if a piece of linens is found with the body they can say Zanny came in and took it.

[SaraSidle]

I am getting caught up here obv. Take care shoveling both of you's. I will be in Ann Arbor in a couple of weeks to visit my sis. She will be here another few months then back to Nevada. I shall wave to you again. We have had more snow as well. Nowhere to put it HA!!! Frigid air to return here Sat. How be i get a bus and swing by Saturday. And anyone else. Could take days to get to J.D.'s. HA!!!!!:D

LOL this will be fun. Ann Arbor is 30 min closer. you better wave GF

[mu8shark]

would be nice to know any toxicology report from the remains also!!!!!IMOI could be wrong but I don't have much hope for toxicology showing anything when there was no tissue. There of course could be signs in the hair if it was given to her long term but otherwise... I don't see this as promising.Would sure be nice though

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]

Say again? I didn't get that. It's me, I know it's me. :confused:

It's not you, it's me! http://i36.tinypic.com/347ek42.jpg

Conway says that the Ants support Casey, so if The State doesn't call her, she won't have to say anything that will implicate Casey. If the prosecution doesn't call her, she won't have to lie under oath. (Not that that seems to be a problem for her.)

[mu8shark]

Ahhh kay! Thank you. I'm sorry. Avoid and conquer is the thing here right?

My head was full today. I had a few little ones taking care of me. We made hearts with colored paper and put ribbons on all the stuffed animals to "dekrate dem." Then we made muffins. We talked all about their trip to "New Hampster" and I was in Nawny mode. But I'm back now. They all went home with their mommies. My grandchildren are the loves of my life. :seeya: When my nephews and nieces were younger I would take all six for the day and take them for pizza and shopping or movies. Kids are so much fun. I agree!

[lissyanne1]

Gee, didn't G&C find it outrageous that the D-bag in the video said that had been the first time that she was really angry during the entire ordeal? She was mad cuz they would'nt let her talk or whatever. I myself would have been the most pissed off when the supposed nanny knocked me down and kidnapped my child, but hey, that's just me.

[One2Snoop]

I posted the emails here for easier viewing...
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=292349

or you can access via the Caylee Anthony index page.

[Amy]

I'm surprised that my neighbors have never called to report a hyena over here.

http://i26.tinypic.com/rs8v37.jpg

My kids don't even react anymore--I'm either laughing @ the computer or yelling @ the tv. If there are friends over, they say, "it's all good, don't worry!!" I guess the friends take them @ their word, as the kids keep coming back to the house. Probably to laugh @ me, but what the heck!!!!

[Amy]

It is not in any interviews. It is in the email to her brother when he challenges to show that the nanny exists. She tells him she has photos of the nanny's apartment and that she is going to turn over belongings of the nannys to the police, which of course is bogus. But no she does not mention this in any interviews.

Thanks. Seems a lot of what she would produce (phone record that would include Caylee's call) never was actually produced.

[Amy]

Casey Anthony case: State attorney's office slams WFTV's Baez report

I thought WFTV-Channel 9's story Monday night about Jose Baez was gossipy and lacking substance.

The story raised the possibility that Baez may have a conflict of interest in representing Casey Anthony and could be removed from the case for that reason. WFTV reported that someone has complained to the state attorney's office that Baez could have made a deal based on the case's outcome.

I'm not the only one who had a problem with reporter Mary Nguyen's story. So did Randy Means, a spokesman for the Orange-Osceola State Attorney's Office.

His comments were distributed to reporters at WFTV, WESH-Channel 2, WKMG-Channel 6 and the Sentinel:

"My Friday conversation with Mary from Channel 9 was very simple. I told her that we also have heard from media employees that questions [have] arisen as to Defendant Anthony's counsel. I wouldn't specify what question. I informed the reporter that it is the court's responsibility to insure a fair trial for the accused and if any improprieties actually took place by either side, defense or state, both the Florida Bar and the Courts are venues that would hear the complaints. If her story stated anything other than that, it was a creation of a futile mind and questionable ethics."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/casey-anthony-case-what-about-wftvs-story-on-jose-baez.html

I do believe this is the name of the reporter who headlined that the A's would be asking for donations to pay for Caylee's funeral. IIRC, when you got to what the A's attorney said (in that same article) it sounded like maybe he was answering a question--and I believe in that statement he indicated there had been no discussion about that, or something to that effect. Perhaps Ms. Nguyen needs to step back and look @ her style of reporting? I wonder what other issues/cases she reports on, and if there has been trouble in those, or if she is just trying for something really big in this case as it is so high profile and all.

[mu8shark]

Gee, didn't G&C find it outrageous that the D-bag in the video said that had been the first time that she was really angry during the entire ordeal? She was mad cuz they would'nt let her talk or whatever. I myself would have been the most pissed off when the supposed nanny knocked me down and kidnapped my child, but hey, that's just me. I know is that not the weirdest statement?? I would be emotional and angry a lot more over someone taking my child than not being able to be the center of attention and talk.

[SaraSidle]

I thought that too.I even said it with him! That Robin Meade talked through Aretha :flamemad: so I didn't hear her!

I hope to dear God this man can do even 50% of what he hopes to..This world is messed up...He definately has his work cut out for him. I worry about Al Queda now too...can't trust 'em, and we are vulnerable no matter what they say. I told my daughters..life as we knew it is a thing of the past ~ it's a terrible legacy being passed on the the youth of America, and much different than anything you and I have lived through.

God Bless America!:patriot:

:)

Leave it to Aretha, she carried that hat off like nobody's business!!

Aretha looked great I agree but I am also worried for him. Dh brought it up and I have not forgotten 2 months later. he is too much lincoln and kennedy. IMO

[Amy]

I've watched those August videos so many times and each time I am flabbergasted! I always react the same way to Cindy and George's fear and in spite of their horrendous and obvious grief, I keep seeing that George doesn't touch Cindy who is about falling over on him and I keep seeing their questions digress.

Of course we can't know how many times they asked her why the car smelled like decomposition or a thousand other questions when she was at home. And according to LP they didn't go there when he was around them, but non the less, they appeared to be walking on eggshells and I don't understand that.

If they faced her off, right there in jail, she would have been disarmed. She could threaten to walk off as much as she pleased, but she needs them and she knows it. They could have turned those tables around and threatened to to walk off themselves. That would have made her pay attention quickly!
The entire situation in those videos defined insanity. She was absolutely honest and correct when she said one thing: "I HAVE NO POWER!"

Except she DOES still have power over the A's--but only because THEY give the power to her by not questioning her, standing up to her. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Wow, I have a lot to read. You guys have been busy. I didn't get on last night because I was busy making inauguration cupcakes for our party at work today. I should have gotten on....oh well.

One thing I wanted to bring up that had been eating at me whenever I saw it. A few times, Cindy asks the Liar what do you want me to say to Zani when I'm on television. The Liar replies, tell her I forgive her. That struck me as odd and I couldn't figure out why. I realized why last night.

If someone had taken my dog because and was keeping him, I would say, please bring him back, I am so sorry for whatever I did. Let's talk about it, tell me what I did wrong and I will change. I won't do it again. I wouldn't say, I forgive you. Once again, the Liar is clearing herself of all wrongdoing. I see it as her forgiving herself for killing Caylee.

Gator

good thinking gator. I would not have seen that. IMO

[Amy]

I don't think Casey told Cindy that Zanny had a key because when Cindy ask her on that tape, she looks surprised and she says Maybe or I don't know, one of the two. She does not say Oh yes just like I told you , she has a key. I think it was starting to occur to Cindy that there were those searches on the comp and maybe some stuff was missing from the house and she needed to cover for 'precious' so she suggested to Casey that Zanny had a key,.. Then later on they can claim Zanny did the comp searches or if a piece of linens is found with the body they can say Zanny came in and took it.

That was my initial take on it--Cindy providing Casey with an idea for an out. But, then I got confused, which can happen easily with routine things, even more so with this case.

[SaraSidle]

Yes i do think it was drawn out. I think she was getting boxed in. Running out of friends to steal from. Parents were running out of money for her to steal. I think G&C were starting to ask the questions that should have been asked long ago. She was one out of control socio as she realized she was no longer in control. It was only a matter of time before everything caught up to her. Caylee was now a liability and what better way to destroy her mother.MOO

I agree with you so much and it just makes me sick to my stomach. My goodness why could she not just give Caylee to MOM. the revenge angle is the worst thing I could think of. like susan smith............so bad. IMO

[Amy]

Ahhh kay! Thank you. I'm sorry. Avoid and conquer is the thing here right?

My head was full today. I had a few little ones taking care of me. We made hearts with colored paper and put ribbons on all the stuffed animals to "dekrate dem." Then we made muffins. We talked all about their trip to "New Hampster" and I was in Nawny mode. But I'm back now. They all went home with their mommies. My grandchildren are the loves of my life. :seeya:

What a wonderful "break" from the ugliness of life!!! I just LOVE how little kids talk, when they come up with their version of what the big people talk about. New Hampster!!! lol

[SaraSidle]

What did I do to you to deserve being asked if I'm a relative of the Ants.

As long as the Liar had Caylee in her parents house - she did not have to work to support herself. Nuf said and don't even think of apologizing to me about that attrocious comment.

Gator

Oh my goodness gator I have no idea how that happened but I love your posts. I know you are not a relative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[SaraSidle]

was not trying to insult you by asking if you are related to the Ants, you seemd to have inside info. I am sure they have good people related to them. As a matter of fact I like George. I think poor George was munipulated by his wife and daughter. I think he is suffering the most over the loss of Caylee.
But you know all this stuff we are talking about really will have no effect at the trial. The Proscutor and LE have actual facts not just speculation and the facts are what is going to put the Liar away for life. We all have the same reason for being on this site so lets be friends okay :punch:

Gator[/QUOTE]

Gator I hope you all have a great time. Since I am unemployed I will not be partying but there with you in spirit. I am so glad you are here to keep us updated all the time. My DH said they could not watch the inaugaration on tv and I think that is wrong. Not like they are busy. just laid off 1/2 of their employess.........IMO

[Justice Denied?]

I am getting caught up here obv. Take care shoveling both of you's. I will be in Ann Arbor in a couple of weeks to visit my sis. She will be here another few months then back to Nevada. I shall wave to you again. We have had more snow as well. Nowhere to put it HA!!! Frigid air to return here Sat. How be i get a bus and swing by Saturday. And anyone else. Could take days to get to J.D.'s. HA!!!!!:D

Well, I am still waiting. Let me know for sure if you can get here SAt. Today is 65 and sunny. I have a fresh supply of Haterade and will cook a brisket if you come.

[mu8shark]

I posted the emails here for easier viewing...
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=292349

or you can access via the Caylee Anthony index page.Thanks so much for doing this. The other ones give you eyestrain. I bet this was time consuming. You are terrific!

[Justice Denied?]

That is one generous Nanny-babysits for free. Allowed the Liar to spend the night and gives her items? Where was she when we were all raising our chittlins? :biggrin:

beem,

Just a gentle correction from an ole Southern gal. Chittlins are an African-American soul food dish made from hog intestines. Quite delicious, I understand, never having tried it. Our little people are CHILLUNS. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings but it was bothering me.:D:biggrin::D

[sharlock]

It is not in any interviews. It is in the email to her brother when he challenges to show that the nanny exists. She tells him she has photos of the nanny's apartment and that she is going to turn over belongings of the nanny's to the police, which of course is bogus. But no she does not mention this in any interviews.
That's right mu8shark but it was also mentioned in the jail visit and in the FBI interview iirc.
In the FBI interview the guys tell Cindy that the photos of Zannys are actually pictures of Ricardo's apartment.
In one of the early jail visits Casey is asked by Cindy about the photo she had told them was Zanny's apartment. It has a set of drums and Casey confirms that yes Zanny's has a set of drums. Casey is slow to answer though that the photo was of Zanny's and Cindy jumps in almost like she is warning Casey and said something like "I know it is not Zannys". Casey quickly recovers and said something like "Yeah no that is Ricardos but Zannys apartment is set up just like his." If Cindy hadn't told her that she knew whose apartment it was it seemed pretty obvious that Casey was going to continue to lie about it.
Cindy also told them that Casey had some things at home that she had told Cindy Zanny gave to her like a hair straightener. Awfully nice that Zanny rofl!

[Justice Denied?]

Watching too. How can people listen to someone recite The Lord's Prayer without joining in? Aretha looked (and sounded) fabu in her hat!

Wasn't that hat fantastic?African-American women always seem to find the most fabulous creations, I was sort of disappointed Michelle didn't wear one. She did look fabulous though.

[Justice Denied?]

"Yep, quit your whining girl, and eat your rinds. NO Chili for you, ragbag".

Another thing that has ALWAYS bugged the hell out of me, no one has even mentioned either, in ALL of the pictures we have seen, Casey next to Caylee, Casey is always tan tan tan and Caylee looked like she was never in the sun. For a little kid who spent so much time at that damn beach with her Nanny, she never got any color.Hmmmmmmmmmm

and...for a girl who worked those lonnnnnggggggggggg hours at Universal, how could you be so tanned? Bet your butt, she spent most days getting sun, but where was Caylee? God knows she had loads of time, cause she WASN'T working.

I got to wondering about something last night and hope someone can help me out. Was Casey ever employed by Universal Studios? It seems like I remember reading at one time that Casey actually worked for Kodak/Colorvision AT Universal Studios taking pictures of people who visited the park. Did she ever actually work as an events co-ordinator?:confused::shrug:

[browneyes106]

I don't think Casey ever said Zanny had kids to my recollection but she named her flatmates and sister using the real ZG's kids names(the 2 she put on the Sawgrass Apt. card.

Casey told police that Zany's roommates' names were Jennifer and Raquel. Are those of the names of the real ZG's kids?

[lorettalockhorn]

beem,

Just a gentle correction from an ole Southern gal. Chittlins are an African-American soul food dish made from hog intestines. Quite delicious, I understand, never having tried it. Our little people are CHILLUNS. Hope I didn't hurt your feelings but it was bothering me.:D:biggrin::D

And aren't chittlins what Casey has been buying from the commisary?! (To avoid eating the nasty bologna and coleslaw.)

[lorettalockhorn]

That's right mu8shark but it was also mentioned in the jail visit and in the FBI interview iirc.
In the FBI interview the guys tell Cindy that the photos of Zannys are actually pictures of Ricardo's apartment.
In one of the early jail visits Casey is asked by Cindy about the photo she had told them was Zanny's apartment. It has a set of drums and Casey confirms that yes Zanny's has a set of drums. Casey is slow to answer though that the photo was of Zanny's and Cindy jumps in almost like she is warning Casey and said something like "I know it is not Zannys". Casey quickly recovers and said something like "Yeah no that is Ricardos but Zannys apartment is set up just like his." If Cindy hadn't told her that she knew whose apartment it was it seemed pretty obvious that Casey was going to continue to lie about it.
Cindy also told them that Casey had some things at home that she had told Cindy Zanny gave to her like a hair straightener. Awfully nice that Zanny rofl!

Yes, in fact you have to wonder why the oh so generous Zanny turned on a dime and knocked Casey down and kidnapped Caylee. Maybe there are two Zannys like there are two Caseys.

Why, I do declare it's almost like Casey is talking about herself when she talks about Zanny. Like someone pointed out, it really seems that way when she "forgives" Zenaida.

[Gatordog]

Uhmmm.... where I come from, that is how it is said. Forgive our trespassers.....guess that might be a regional thing also? Or, different religions say it differently? I know the first time I attended a Catholic service--they didn't say the end of the prayer!!!! Was my face red when I continued on and the rest of the congregation stopped!!!! ;)

Trespassers is what I learned in NY.

[browneyes106]

Maybe Caylee's story will save children just by making some parents think over their own screwed up families and decide to do better.

I agree I think more people will do better in discpling controlling children and others might allow their children to put up babies for adoption.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wasn't that hat fantastic?African-American women always seem to find the most fabulous creations, I was sort of disappointed Michelle didn't wear one. She did look fabulous though.

It's always so sweet (somehow) when you see some little old lady's obituary and she's wearing a knockout hat in the photo. I'm so old that My Sainted Mother wore hats when I was a little one. She was the typical redhead with fair skin, and she was Hollywood chic in my book. Very Maureen O'Hara she was. (Minus the bosom. :hat: )

[browneyes106]

Absolutely! One of the most stunning things about the emails between Cindy and her brother is that when he confronts Cindy about Casey stealing from her grandparents which really pissed off her brother Rick(not speaking for him as it says so in his email) Cindy calmly tells him it was only $50.00 and she did not technically steal a check , she just copied down the routing number and stole it like that. I gotta tell you even if I had been 22, if I had stolen from my grandparents , my parents would not have been like minimizing it. Stealing is stealing. And of course Rick tells her he is looking at the bank statements and it was more than that and he accuses her of lying about the amount. It is like they always made these kinds of excuses for her.

Cindy has brushed off a lot of things Casey has done. Cindy said the thing to Richard Grund after Casey stole money from Jesse. I feel sorry for Rick and Cindy's parents because it seems like they have been used up by Cindy and her loony family.

[browneyes106]

Oh Loretta I so agree on that. If I were the prosecution I would not use her hardly at all. Maybe the dead body smell in the car statement and the first 911 call. Let Baez use her and on cross the prosecution can delicately ask her about CONFLICTING statements! And think of this, she is so unpredictable. Sometimes it appears she lies on the spot, like Casey, so talk about asking questions you don't know the answer to!!

I agree Cindy seems to lie a lot on the spot. She lied about the club pictures different times on TV and had a different execuse each time. Cindy probably will have different story to the smell.

[browneyes106]

And aren't chittlins what Casey has been buying from the commisary?! (To avoid eating the nasty bologna and coleslaw.)

She is probably buying her weekly supply of Now and Later candies.

[Justice Denied?]

Absolutely mu! I trust children and I am proud and pleased to know all of my little weebles (as I call them) are safe and sound every day of their lives. I take care of them 3 days a week. sometimes I have all 5 and sometimes just 2. 6 is a challenge!!!

This case upsets me to no end because that little Caylee was just like all of my weebles. Born innocent and trusting. I get upset with Cindy because she forfeited her safety in exchange for Casey somehow. I don't know how to say what I'm thinking. I don't want to bash Cindy honestly. She may have been in a deep depression which often causes people to look over the shoulder of the issues at hand. Certainly it takes a lot of energy to deal with a sociopath, this I know fore sure, but Jaysusss, the child had to matter. Too many times the kids get hurt because the parents/grandparents sell out to win. They won't look at what is really wrong. A child can't get in the car and drive off. They are helpless. It's awful.

I need some hagnog today. I'm haterade induced.

One deluxe hagnog on the way. Extra nutmeg. Enjoy! May you spirits be lifted quickly and you feel more cheerful soon.

[Gatordog]

Gator I hope you all have a great time. Since I am unemployed I will not be partying but there with you in spirit. I am so glad you are here to keep us updated all the time. My DH said they could not watch the inaugaration on tv and I think that is wrong. Not like they are busy. just laid off 1/2 of their employess.........IMO[/QUOTE]

Sara, I did not realize that you were not working. I will keep you in my prayers and ask that things get better soon for you and at your husband's work. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angelic011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

I know is that not the weirdest statement?? I would be emotional and angry a lot more over someone taking my child than not being able to be the center of attention and talk.

I think that Casey was upset because she felt there was an opportunity for her to make bail and that George and Cindy did not take advantage of it. Unsure what this might be unless it was the reward for Caylee.

[Justice Denied?]

What a wonderful "break" from the ugliness of life!!! I just LOVE how little kids talk, when they come up with their version of what the big people talk about. New Hampster!!! lol

This summer my ggranddaughter was playing on the patio. .suddenly she comes in the house screamin "Grandma, a loser, a loser". She made a gesture with her arm like a snake crawls. I go tearing out there and find a LIZARD. Lizard - loser, it's all good!

[mu8shark]

I think that Casey was upset because she felt there was an opportunity for her to make bail and that George and Cindy did not take advantage of it. Unsure what this might be unless it was the reward for Caylee.
Exactly my thoughts on that because Casey had said "That is half my bail "on another occasion and she probably did not think anything of using this money for a purpose it was not intended for, as she steals all the time and with Cindys nonchalant attitude toward Caseys stealing one has to wonder if she would have used it had it not been for the fact that it would be so publicly scrutinized. I still wonder about Lee's use of the other money in his so called investigation.

[Justice Denied?]

And aren't chittlins what Casey has been buying from the commisary?! (To avoid eating the nasty bologna and coleslaw.)

I don't believe I heard anything about chittlins, just Ramen noodles ,shrimp cocktail and pig rinds. How would it come, in a can like spaghetti? If you find out different, let me know.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't believe I heard anything about chittlins, just Ramen noodles ,shrimp cocktail and pig rinds. How would it come, in a can like spaghetti? If you find out different, let me know.

hahaha Pork (pig) rinds, that's it. Funny that she considers bologna inedible (which it is), but not fried pig skins.

[sharlock]

Does anyone know how much longer till the doc dump comes out? I am on tenderhooks just waiting for them.

[lorettalockhorn]

At the risk of sounding like NG the B!tchhag, thank you friend :) You are very intuitive JD. I've been on a bad one all week due to Famiglia nonsense, thank God not my immediate one. Everybody has a story huh?

Thanks, cheers!:beer:

Actually, I'm drinking camomile tea as we speak. I need a building to fall on me, so I can see the point of letting other people making me miserable.

Aww Dan. The only reason that I can think of for letting other people make you miserable is for the sheer enjoyment. Do not plotz. Pull up your rocking chair. Turn out the lights. Rock and repeat over and over: A Klog is mir.

[javahog]

I think that Casey was upset because she felt there was an opportunity for her to make bail and that George and Cindy did not take advantage of it. Unsure what this might be unless it was the reward for Caylee.

Remember in the jailhouse visit when she was told what the reward was and she was like, "wow, that's like half my bail!" I bet that got her panties in a twist, thinking they had access to bail and they were saving it for the little "snothead".

On NG tonight, did you catch where Casey noted that Caylee wasn't usually excited to see her, "now if it was my mom..." So flippin' jealous...

[mu8shark]

From Cindys last email to her brother. "You are the f/n stupid one, there is a sitter. We have people tracking her, the OCSD is not doing their job. There is no case against Casey. The next time you say Caylee is dead I will personally come there and kick your sorry ass all the way to hell. Stay out of my life." Now I have a question, do you think they were really following some poor innocent woman??! Or could they have been following the Zenaida that is suing? Or do you all think that they were following no one and Cindy made that up just to shut her brother up? Because it kind of creeps me out if they were following some poor woman with had nothing to do with the case. Opinions?

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone know how much longer till the doc dump comes out? I am on tenderhooks just waiting for them.

There was comment tonight on JVM that Baez is spending time reading reams of documents released by The State, so soon maybe?

BTW, was NG a rerun tonight? JVM kept promising bombshells, but I didn't see anything except the investigation audios.

[javahog]

From Cindys last email to her brother. "You are the f/n stupid one, there is a sitter. We have people tracking her, the OCSD is not doing their job. There is no case against Casey. The next time you say Caylee is dead I will personally come there and kick your sorry ass all the way to hell. Stay out of my life." Now I have a question, do you think they were really following some poor innocent woman??! Or could they have been following the Zenaida that is suing? Or do you all think that they were following no one and Cindy made that up just to shut her brother up? Because it kind of creeps me out if they were following some poor woman with had nothing to do with the case. Opinions?

The only thing I can think of worse than being stalked by Casey Anthony is also being stalked by all the other Anthonies and their minions.

[mu8shark]

Does anyone know how much longer till the doc dump comes out? I am on tenderhooks just waiting for them.Me too, Shar ! I am so curious at to what they were looking for in that search warrant. Do you think that they will actually release forensic tests from items or keep that till trial?

[mu8shark]

There was comment tonight on JVM that Baez is spending time reading reams of documents released by The State, so soon maybe?

BTW, was NG a rerun tonight? JVM kept promising bombshells, but I didn't see anything except the investigation audios. It was a rerun. Maybe she got invited to an inagural ball due to her sparkling personality! LOL

[javahog]

Me too, Shar ! I am so curious at to what they were looking for in that search warrant. Do you think that they will actually release forensic tests from items or keep that till trial?

Don't they have to release it all due to the sunshine laws?

[javahog]

It was a rerun. Maybe she got invited to an inagural ball due to her sparkling personality! LOL

Oh, she must just be a peach at an inaugural ball! Talk about the chance for an international incident.

[lorettalockhorn]

It was a rerun. Maybe she got invited to an inagural ball due to her sparkling personality! LOL

LMAO Let's hope that she doesn't show up in the same exploding Kleenex box that Michelle did.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't they have to release it all due to the sunshine laws?

They must have a loophole around letting everything out (at least to the public). We've never seen any of the Annie WhatsHerName stuff. I can totally see one or both sides holding things back while they "remain under investigation".

[sharlock]

Casey told police that Zany's roommates' names were Jennifer and Raquel. Are those of the names of the real ZG's kids?
You are sort of right I think at one time she said ZG had no kids but that was only one of a few stories Casey told and not the important one because it is not the one Casey is sticking too. The story she is sticking too is that ZG had 2 children. The real ZG has 6 but interestingly enough she wrote only 2 of her children down on the Sawgrass card. Here is some proof to back up what I say
Counter-Claims and Affirmative Defenses
snippet
6. The information was different in a number of material ways; specifically that the Zenaida Gonzales that Miss Anthony was referring to drove a different car. She had a different name and she had less children then the Plaintiff does. The Plaintiff has six (6) children, the Zenaida Gonzales identified by the Defendant has two (2) kids.

[mu8shark]

Don't they have to release it all due to the sunshine laws?Okay let me answer that as best I can. According to someone either on this site or my previous truecrime yahoo group,. the idea that everything has to come out due to the Sunshine Laws is a bit of a myth that the media pushed out there. The poster said her cousin worked for the States Attorneys office and if the prosecution deems releasing something harmful to their case or if they want to keep certain details close to the vest, they absolutely can. In fact, Mike Brooks has said several times there is probably a lot we don't know. And he is probably right. The media can always take LE to court to secure info under the Sunshine Laws but a judge can easily block that in most states if the info is deemed important enough in successfully prosecuting the case. This of course does not apply to discovery to the defense.They get everything pretty much. I was also told that it is naive to believe LE released what it has just because of the Sunshine Law in Florida. Probably more likely in order to get to potential jurors, LE has released info because it is damning and incriminating and they want to combat anything the defense has said about her being 100 per cent innocent, which makes sense to me. It is after all, about strategy. So I agree I was naive to believe that they released it in effect to do their duty under the Sunshine Law. Most of what they released was very helpful to their case and they want it out there. Hope this has been helpful. I can look for the post , because it was a great one and I remember that it was a really trustworthy poster.

[Justice Denied?]

At the risk of sounding like NG the B!tchhag, thank you friend :) You are very intuitive JD. I've been on a bad one all week due to Famiglia nonsense, thank God not my immediate one. Everybody has a story huh?

Thanks, cheers!:beer:

Actually, I'm drinking camomile tea as we speak. I need a building to fall on me, so I can see the point of letting other people making me miserable.

we all have a story. What I want you to ask yourself is " What can I do about the situation? What AM I going to do about it?" If the answer is there's nothing I can do but worry, give it to God. He's up late anyway.

[mu8shark]

They must have a loophole around letting everything out (at least to the public). We've never seen any of the Annie WhatsHerName stuff. I can totally see one or both sides holding things back while they "remain under investigation".Loretta you are correct about the loophole , not sure what it is formally called or what the exact law says but see my post . Also remember the Jessica Lunsford case (do I have the right last name?) the little girl killed by being buried alive, when that case came out, LE definitely kept some of their evidence quiet and that was in Florida. It just depends and as I said I think so much was released in this case as part of a strategy.

[Justice Denied?]

Oh, she must just be a peach at an inaugural ball! Talk about the chance for an international incident.

That is too, too funny! :D:biggrin::D:patriot::patriot:

[sharlock]

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," January 9, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: The woman you're about to meet is key to this murder investigation. You remember that Casey Anthony tells investigators she left little Caylee with a babysitter named Zenaida Gonzalez and never saw the child again. Well, our next guest is Zenaida Gonzalez and is suing Casey for defamation. But does this woman even know Casey Anthony?
Zenaida joins us here live, along with her lawyer, Keith Mitnik. Welcome to both of you. Keith, thank you for coming back tonight. Zenaida, first to you. Have you ever -- prior to June 16th or July 16th, have you ever heard of Casey Anthony?
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ, SUING CASEY ANTHONY: No, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever heard of Caylee Anthony before? How about Caylee Anthony before July 17th or so?
GONZALEZ: No, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever had an occupation taking care of children?
GONZALEZ: No, ma'am, I don't have that occupation.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, at some point, the name Zenaida Gonzalez became a big name in this case. When did you first have any idea this toddler was missing?
GONZALEZ: It was I think in July when detectives got in contact with me.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did the detectives -- did they show up at your house, or did they call you?
GONZALEZ: They called me first. They called me and told me...
VAN SUSTEREN: What did they say to you?
GONZALEZ: Well, they asked me if my name was Zenaida Gonzalez and did I have a car by a certain color and if -- they asked me for my children.
• Watch Greta's interview (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479025,00.html#)
VAN SUSTEREN: And what did you tell them?
GONZALEZ: And I say, yes, those two names that they mentioned were my daughters and that that was my car. And they told me that I was a suspect for a kidnapping.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think?
GONZALEZ: I was in shock. I didn't know what to think. I didn't understand why they would call me, first of all, because first of all -- I mean, I have children myself.
(CROSSTALK)
KEITH MITNIK, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ: Greta, therein lies...
VAN SUSTEREN: Go ahead, Keith.
MITNIK: Yes, I was going to say therein lies the probe. The indications when the law enforcement came to her seemed to be very specific to her, seemed to be talking about her children, her car, and seemed to have been targeting her, when she doesn't have a lick to do with this, nothing, never knew lady or her child ever. So now she's been sucked into this desperate ploy and now she's having to try to defend herself. Her lawyers now say it's not this Zenaida, but we need for Casey Anthony to say it and get to the bottom of...
VAN SUSTEREN: I get that.
MITNIK: ... Why did she tell the police...
VAN SUSTEREN: And I got that, and I know everybody -- everybody zeroed in on this woman. I totally get that this is the woman they zeroed in on and that...
(CROSSTALK)
MITNIK: If I may, one thing that...
VAN SUSTEREN: Can I just get -- I just want...
(CROSSTALK)
MITNIK: ... May not realize -- go ahead. But one little piece that they may not realize -- her lawyers in this case -- now that we have pointed the hot finger in this civil litigation at her on defamation on this, suddenly, her lawyers have told two different stories about what she told law enforcement. The first story was it couldn't be this Zenaida Gonzalez -- this Zenaida because we told her it was someone who had two children and she has six. A month later in court filings, they said it couldn't be her because we told the police that Zenaida had no children. They can't keep...
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, let me ask -- let me ask...
MITNIK: ... Their story straight even then.
VAN SUSTEREN: I'm trying to figure out what Zenaida -- it's, like, you know, the impact on her life. Zenaida, did they search your home?
GONZALEZ: Yes, they did.
VAN SUSTEREN: They tear it all apart, looking for the child?
GONZALEZ: No, they didn't tear it all apart, but they went through every room. You know, they talked to my daughters. They talked to my son.
MITNIK: Did you lose your job?
GONZALEZ: I lost my job. I lost my place to live because where I was staying at, they didn't allow me to stay there because I was accused of kidnapping a child.
VAN SUSTEREN: Zenaida, I hope that you'll come back and join us as this case continues to develop.
GONZALEZ: (INAUDIBLE) Happy to.
VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you, Zenaida. Keith, as well. Thank you both.
ETA Link- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479025,00.html

[mu8shark]

LMAO Let's hope that she doesn't show up in the same exploding Kleenex box that Michelle did. I so don't like that dress.! I don't like fluffy and white at all. Too bad she could not have worn something with more color, like Blue or even yellow. .

[mu8shark]

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," January 9, 2009. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS HOST: The woman you're about to meet is key to this murder investigation. You remember that Casey Anthony tells investigators she left little Caylee with a babysitter named Zenaida Gonzalez and never saw the child again. Well, our next guest is Zenaida Gonzalez and is suing Casey for defamation. But does this woman even know Casey Anthony?
Zenaida joins us here live, along with her lawyer, Keith Mitnik. Welcome to both of you. Keith, thank you for coming back tonight. Zenaida, first to you. Have you ever -- prior to June 16th or July 16th, have you ever heard of Casey Anthony?
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ, SUING CASEY ANTHONY: No, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever heard of Caylee Anthony before? How about Caylee Anthony before July 17th or so?
GONZALEZ: No, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you ever had an occupation taking care of children?
GONZALEZ: No, ma'am, I don't have that occupation.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, at some point, the name Zenaida Gonzalez became a big name in this case. When did you first have any idea this toddler was missing?
GONZALEZ: It was I think in July when detectives got in contact with me.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did the detectives -- did they show up at your house, or did they call you?
GONZALEZ: They called me first. They called me and told me...
VAN SUSTEREN: What did they say to you?
GONZALEZ: Well, they asked me if my name was Zenaida Gonzalez and did I have a car by a certain color and if -- they asked me for my children.
• Watch Greta's interview (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479025,00.html#)
VAN SUSTEREN: And what did you tell them?
GONZALEZ: And I say, yes, those two names that they mentioned were my daughters and that that was my car. And they told me that I was a suspect for a kidnapping.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did you think?
GONZALEZ: I was in shock. I didn't know what to think. I didn't understand why they would call me, first of all, because first of all -- I mean, I have children myself.
(CROSSTALK)
KEITH MITNIK, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ: Greta, therein lies...
VAN SUSTEREN: Go ahead, Keith.
MITNIK: Yes, I was going to say therein lies the probe. The indications when the law enforcement came to her seemed to be very specific to her, seemed to be talking about her children, her car, and seemed to have been targeting her, when she doesn't have a lick to do with this, nothing, never knew lady or her child ever. So now she's been sucked into this desperate ploy and now she's having to try to defend herself. Her lawyers now say it's not this Zenaida, but we need for Casey Anthony to say it and get to the bottom of...
VAN SUSTEREN: I get that.
MITNIK: ... Why did she tell the police...
VAN SUSTEREN: And I got that, and I know everybody -- everybody zeroed in on this woman. I totally get that this is the woman they zeroed in on and that...
(CROSSTALK)
MITNIK: If I may, one thing that...
VAN SUSTEREN: Can I just get -- I just want...
(CROSSTALK)
MITNIK: ... May not realize -- go ahead. But one little piece that they may not realize -- her lawyers in this case -- now that we have pointed the hot finger in this civil litigation at her on defamation on this, suddenly, her lawyers have told two different stories about what she told law enforcement. The first story was it couldn't be this Zenaida Gonzalez -- this Zenaida because we told her it was someone who had two children and she has six. A month later in court filings, they said it couldn't be her because we told the police that Zenaida had no children. They can't keep...
VAN SUSTEREN: All right, let me ask -- let me ask...
MITNIK: ... Their story straight even then.
VAN SUSTEREN: I'm trying to figure out what Zenaida -- it's, like, you know, the impact on her life. Zenaida, did they search your home?
GONZALEZ: Yes, they did.
VAN SUSTEREN: They tear it all apart, looking for the child?
GONZALEZ: No, they didn't tear it all apart, but they went through every room. You know, they talked to my daughters. They talked to my son.
MITNIK: Did you lose your job?
GONZALEZ: I lost my job. I lost my place to live because where I was staying at, they didn't allow me to stay there because I was accused of kidnapping a child.
VAN SUSTEREN: Zenaida, I hope that you'll come back and join us as this case continues to develop.
GONZALEZ: (INAUDIBLE) Happy to.
VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you, Zenaida. Keith, as well. Thank you both.
ETA Link- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479025,00.html That is weird because on one of the jailhouse tapes Cindy ask Casey if Zenaida had any children and she said "No, not that I know of." So as usual Casey has gone all over the place with her story.

[Amy]

I do believe this is the name of the reporter who headlined that the A's would be asking for donations to pay for Caylee's funeral. IIRC, when you got to what the A's attorney said (in that same article) it sounded like maybe he was answering a question--and I believe in that statement he indicated there had been no discussion about that, or something to that effect. Perhaps Ms. Nguyen needs to step back and look @ her style of reporting? I wonder what other issues/cases she reports on, and if there has been trouble in those, or if she is just trying for something really big in this case as it is so high profile and all.

I looked on the links on this board and another board, and cannot find the article by Mary Nguyen about the A's allegedly asking for donations. I KNOW I read it tho, and was confused because in the same article there was an interview w/Mr Conway, and from what HE said, it didn't sound like the A's were planning on doing that.

Anyway, I saw this pic (hopefully the link takes you right to the pic, but if not, it is post #1260 on page 32.) The article is about something the A's attorney was saying, and the pic is of the A's and a man who is "escorting" Cindy. Is THIS Mr Conway? He's walking, so could it be him? I don't know the nature of Mr Conway's affliction that causes him to use a wheelchair, so don't know if there are times he can walk?

[sharlock]

Trespassers is what I learned in NY.
I was raised Roman Catholic and we were taught that it was "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" and that it did not mean to walk on someones property illegally but referred to sins and that forgiving them meant not to hold grudges. I had to laugh when someone mentioned continuing on when noone else did that happened to me once too.

[Amy]

That's right mu8shark but it was also mentioned in the jail visit and in the FBI interview iirc.
In the FBI interview the guys tell Cindy that the photos of Zannys are actually pictures of Ricardo's apartment.
In one of the early jail visits Casey is asked by Cindy about the photo she had told them was Zanny's apartment. It has a set of drums and Casey confirms that yes Zanny's has a set of drums. Casey is slow to answer though that the photo was of Zanny's and Cindy jumps in almost like she is warning Casey and said something like "I know it is not Zannys". Casey quickly recovers and said something like "Yeah no that is Ricardos but Zannys apartment is set up just like his." If Cindy hadn't told her that she knew whose apartment it was it seemed pretty obvious that Casey was going to continue to lie about it.
Cindy also told them that Casey had some things at home that she had told Cindy Zanny gave to her like a hair straightener. Awfully nice that Zanny rofl!

I HAD heard about the hair straightener before. I visualized a bottle of something like you see in WallyWorld used for straightening hair. Then, earlier today, Gator I think was posting about the FLAT IRON--now, to ME, a flat iron is just that, looks like an iron, sounds like an iron......and I DO know that some people @ some time (before technology came up w/something better) used an IRON, like the one you use to iron clothes with to straighten hair. SO......after all this the straightener, the flat iron, are both that pronged toolie thing people use to run thru their hair as seen on tv. Go figure. I need to get out more, I guess. lol

[sharlock]

Me too, Shar ! I am so curious at to what they were looking for in that search warrant. Do you think that they will actually release forensic tests from items or keep that till trial?
Gosh I hope so. I am insatiable when it comes to this case so I say just release everything lol!:D

[Amy]

I got to wondering about something last night and hope someone can help me out. Was Casey ever employed by Universal Studios? It seems like I remember reading at one time that Casey actually worked for Kodak/Colorvision AT Universal Studios taking pictures of people who visited the park. Did she ever actually work as an events co-ordinator?:confused::shrug:

From what I gather, just the Kodak/Colorvision located @ Universal Studios. And the last she was employeed there was 2006. I haven't read or heard anything that confirmed that she ever, ever worked as an event planner. Heck, I don't even know if there is a position named that (or ever was) @ Universal.

[Amy]

I think that Casey was upset because she felt there was an opportunity for her to make bail and that George and Cindy did not take advantage of it. Unsure what this might be unless it was the reward for Caylee.

Wasn't it with the second tape just released that Casey KNEW she was getting bailed out by Leonard Padillo in the near future? I believe this is what I heard LP say on NG the other night. They were talking about how she seemed upset about being stuck in jail when she KNEW bond was being posted.

Surely, she was told that Cindy used her 401 to pay off Casey's stealing, and Casey herself used whatever savings George had put aside for Caylee. Where the heck did she think HER PARENTS would be able to come up with the money? She also had to know their credit was probably in the dumpsters (which is why Cindy would have to use her retirement) so they couldn't BORROW the money!!! And, you'd think she'd figure out borrowing from the grandparents she stole from probably would NOT be an option!!!

Is she so dumb she would actually think they could use the REWARD money for bail. I mean, she KNEW it would never be awarded to anyone, being as it was for a LIVE Caylee. But, didn't she think the money would have to be accounted for? Oh, I know. She really didn't give a tinker's dam about any of this--she just wanted out NOW. Probably felt that, if the money never went to anyone else, it would automatically be hers eventually. Dumb dumb dumb if that was her tho't prosess.

[Amy]

I don't believe I heard anything about chittlins, just Ramen noodles ,shrimp cocktail and pig rinds. How would it come, in a can like spaghetti? If you find out different, let me know.

I just figured pig rinds was the commercial product, if they are made @ home, they are chittlins. HOWEVER, I'm from the Midwest, what would I know about Southern cuisine? lol

[Amy]

From Cindys last email to her brother. "You are the f/n stupid one, there is a sitter. We have people tracking her, the OCSD is not doing their job. There is no case against Casey. The next time you say Caylee is dead I will personally come there and kick your sorry ass all the way to hell. Stay out of my life." Now I have a question, do you think they were really following some poor innocent woman??! Or could they have been following the Zenaida that is suing? Or do you all think that they were following no one and Cindy made that up just to shut her brother up? Because it kind of creeps me out if they were following some poor woman with had nothing to do with the case. Opinions?

I always just figured Cindy was saying that stuff to save face. After reading posts about D Casey---it could very well be that he was feeding them a line of bs to keep in their employ. It's not like there was a Zenaida who was going from place to place w/Caylee in tow for him to follow. I was going to say, surely he wouldn't be so dumb as to stalk an unsuspecting innocent woman--but then, I remember he went to the woods and poked a stick in the ground and tore open sacks. So, it's hard to tell.

[tv]

I HAD heard about the hair straightener before. I visualized a bottle of something like you see in WallyWorld used for straightening hair. Then, earlier today, Gator I think was posting about the FLAT IRON--now, to ME, a flat iron is just that, looks like an iron, sounds like an iron......and I DO know that some people @ some time (before technology came up w/something better) used an IRON, like the one you use to iron clothes with to straighten hair. SO......after all this the straightener, the flat iron, are both that pronged toolie thing people use to run thru their hair as seen on tv. Go figure. I need to get out more, I guess. lol

Why would Casey need a hair straightener? Her hair looks straight to me and I don't recall seeing any pictures of her with permed hair. Am I missing something here?:confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

I was raised Roman Catholic and we were taught that it was "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" and that it did not mean to walk on someones property illegally but referred to sins and that forgiving them meant not to hold grudges. I had to laugh when someone mentioned continuing on when noone else did that happened to me once too.

Here's a pretty clear-cut explanation of the synonyms used for sins/sinners:

For many years the question about the Lord's Prayer centered around the use of trespass vs. debts, trespasser vs. debtor. The more orthodox denominations have traditionally used the word trespass/trespasser. Whereas, the more Protestant denominations have used the word debt/debtor. Both words were used by translators of the Greek word for "sin." If one were to look up the Lord's Prayer in the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark & Luke) one would not find the complete text of the Lord's Prayer in any of the three Gospels! But the word used is sin. Look at Matthew 6(-15, Mark 11:25-26 and Luke 11:2-4. Depending upon which translation of the Bible used, one would find both debt and trespass used in Matthew.


http://www.stthomasch.org/inq.html

Am still amazed that any Christian would not be spontaneously moved to recite The Lord's Prayer. Or maybe the cameras simply landed on Obama while he was taking a breather or something.

[Amy]

Loretta you are correct about the loophole , not sure what it is formally called or what the exact law says but see my post . Also remember the Jessica Lunsford case (do I have the right last name?) the little girl killed by being buried alive, when that case came out, LE definitely kept some of their evidence quiet and that was in Florida. It just depends and as I said I think so much was released in this case as part of a strategy.

Thanks for the explanation. I just couldn't figure out what in the name of justice would be the reason to release ALL information about a case. It just doesn't make sense, to me anyway. IMO, the trial and the outcome have to be more important than the public's "right to know" every little tidbit of evidence, every word said in interviews.

[SuzDuJour]

Why would Casey need a hair straightener? Her hair looks straight to me and I don't recall seeing any pictures of her with permed hair. Am I missing something here?:confused:


When asked to describe Zenaida, Casey said she had curly hair but straightened it.

I assume they are trying to make it look like Zenaida left her hair straightener at the Ants, therefore she must exist. Right...

[lorettalockhorn]

From Cindys last email to her brother. "You are the f/n stupid one, there is a sitter. We have people tracking her, the OCSD is not doing their job. There is no case against Casey. The next time you say Caylee is dead I will personally come there and kick your sorry ass all the way to hell. Stay out of my life." Now I have a question, do you think they were really following some poor innocent woman??! Or could they have been following the Zenaida that is suing? Or do you all think that they were following no one and Cindy made that up just to shut her brother up? Because it kind of creeps me out if they were following some poor woman with had nothing to do with the case. Opinions?

Missed this earlier, but good questions! I would think that if Camp Casey was watching/stalking John Morgan's ZG, that he would get an order of protection. Since the Ants were apparently successful at having some families questioned by LE to ascertain that their "look-alike" girl children weren't Casey, I can well imagine that D Casey might have been somewhat aggressive about "surveillance" of the kidnappers, including anyone named Zenaida Gonzalez anywhere in Florida.

[mu8shark]

Wasn't it with the second tape just released that Casey KNEW she was getting bailed out by Leonard Padillo in the near future? I believe this is what I heard LP say on NG the other night. They were talking about how she seemed upset about being stuck in jail when she KNEW bond was being posted.

Surely, she was told that Cindy used her 401 to pay off Casey's stealing, and Casey herself used whatever savings George had put aside for Caylee. Where the heck did she think HER PARENTS would be able to come up with the money? She also had to know their credit was probably in the dumpsters (which is why Cindy would have to use her retirement) so they couldn't BORROW the money!!! And, you'd think she'd figure out borrowing from the grandparents she stole from probably would NOT be an option!!!

Is she so dumb she would actually think they could use the REWARD money for bail. I mean, she KNEW it would never be awarded to anyone, being as it was for a LIVE Caylee. But, didn't she think the money would have to be accounted for? Oh, I know. She really didn't give a tinker's dam about any of this--she just wanted out NOW. Probably felt that, if the money never went to anyone else, it would automatically be hers eventually. Dumb dumb dumb if that was her tho't prosess. I think Casey knew it would probably not be legal for her parents to do that but with her history of ripping people off, she thought they ought to figure out a way to do it, to get her out with that money. But I think that while Cindy seems unconvinced something is stealing if it is under a certain amount , even 225,000 would be considering stealing in her book !!. Also, on the 401 in the emails from Shirley she talks about Cindy spending te 401 on other things but I am not sure she mentions to cover for Caseys stealing at all. I bet there are things Cindy did not tell her mother. But Loretta is right in these emails , Cindys mother is on the ball, she is no dummy. She gets it that Casey is lying about almost everything and so does the Aunt. Pretty sharp women those two!. One other thing caught my eye in her emails, that George lost money gambling and yet he says it was not gambling, but to an online scam, which I find hard to believe. He was a cop for F's sake. How dumb could George be?

[tv]

I just figured pig rinds was the commercial product, if they are made @ home, they are chittlins. HOWEVER, I'm from the Midwest, what would I know about Southern cuisine? lol

Here's my southern explanation: pork rinds are pig skin and chittlins are made from pig intestines. Pork rinds come in a bag like potato chips and I'm not sure what chittlins come in because the only chittlins I've seen were made at home. (Seen not eaten, mind you). I hope this helps. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the explanation. I just couldn't figure out what in the name of justice would be the reason to release ALL information about a case. It just doesn't make sense, to me anyway. IMO, the trial and the outcome have to be more important than the public's "right to know" every little tidbit of evidence, every word said in interviews.

Ditto mu8, thanks!

And ditto. This Sunshine Law is just foreign to me. Heck, in AR you have to rely so much on gossip.

[Amy]

Why would Casey need a hair straightener? Her hair looks straight to me and I don't recall seeing any pictures of her with permed hair. Am I missing something here?:confused:

Casey's description of Zanny included her hair that was sometimes straight, sometimes curly. I'm thinking--why would Zanny give CASEY a hair straightener if ZANNY was the one who needed it? What did Zanny do? Just quit straightening her hair? Oh, yeah, she's rich, she could always buy more (that's when I tho't we were talking about a bottle of chemical straightener, costs a couple of buck, for pete's sake.) Maybe the reason Casey's hair is only seen as straight is that SHE always straightens her hair? Gosh, another confusing issue that goes round and round in my head--until I tell myself STOP!!!! NO ZANNY!!!! NO STRAIGHTENER. NO CURLY SOMETIMES STRAIGHT HAIR!!!!!!

[tv]

When asked to describe Zenaida, Casey said she had curly hair but straightened it.

I assume they are trying to make it look like Zenaida left her hair straightener at the Ants, therefore she must exist. Right...

Oh, I see...I thought Casey said Zenaida gave her the hair straightener. I'm having a hard time keeping all her lies straight. Thanks! :tongue:

[Amy]

Here's a pretty clear-cut explanation of the synonyms used for sins/sinners:

For many years the question about the Lord's Prayer centered around the use of trespass vs. debts, trespasser vs. debtor. The more orthodox denominations have traditionally used the word trespass/trespasser. Whereas, the more Protestant denominations have used the word debt/debtor. Both words were used by translators of the Greek word for "sin." If one were to look up the Lord's Prayer in the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark & Luke) one would not find the complete text of the Lord's Prayer in any of the three Gospels! But the word used is sin. Look at Matthew 6(-15, Mark 11:25-26 and Luke 11:2-4. Depending upon which translation of the Bible used, one would find both debt and trespass used in Matthew.


http://www.stthomasch.org/inq.html

Am still amazed that any Christian would not be spontaneously moved to recite The Lord's Prayer. Or maybe the cameras simply landed on Obama while he was taking a breather or something.

Well, the fellow took off his American Flag lapel pin, worrying about he might "offend" someone (WHO? THE TERRORISTS?) Maybe he thinks, gee, separation of church and state, he might OFFEND someone if HE is seen reciting the Lord's Prayer.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's my southern explanation: pork rinds are pig skin and chittlins are made from pig intestines. Pork rinds come in a bag like potato chips and I'm not sure what chittlins come in because the only chittlins I've seen were made at home. (Seen not eaten, mind you). I hope this helps. :)

That's a good explanation of the difference between chitterlings and pork rinds. Lots of my suthren brethren still consider them to be synonymous with pork rinds. Which I confess, I have eaten. Because pork fat rules!!

[Amy]

Missed this earlier, but good questions! I would think that if Camp Casey was watching/stalking John Morgan's ZG, that he would get an order of protection. Since the Ants were apparently successful at having some families questioned by LE to ascertain that their "look-alike" girl children weren't Casey, I can well imagine that D Casey might have been somewhat aggressive about "surveillance" of the kidnappers, including anyone named Zenaida Gonzalez anywhere in Florida.

Guess John Morgan isn't her lawyer any more? The one on GVS, introduced as ZFG's lawyer was Keith Mitnik.

[mu8shark]

Thanks for the explanation. I just couldn't figure out what in the name of justice would be the reason to release ALL information about a case. It just doesn't make sense, to me anyway. IMO, the trial and the outcome have to be more important than the public's "right to know" every little tidbit of evidence, every word said in interviews.I think it is very important as well to hold stuff back. In the Kelsey Smith case it was held back that her body was found with sticks criss crossed across it. This only came out when he finally pled guilty. A couple had come forward and said they had seen someone who looked like Edwin Hall on the night of her murder at Longview Lake (where her body was found) They described his truck and one other detail. They saw that he had sticks in the back of his truck. Those sticks ending up matching the ones on her body. But the police immediately knew the couple was telling the truth and not out for their fifteen minutes of fame because they did not release any info at all about the sticks being found across her body nor in his truck. It is always helpful when they withhold details in establishing credability in some cases.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, the fellow took off his American Flag lapel pin, worrying about he might "offend" someone (WHO? THE TERRORISTS?) Maybe he thinks, gee, separation of church and state, he might OFFEND someone if HE is seen reciting the Lord's Prayer.

I didn't watch the pledge of allegiance; did he leave out "under God" too?

Just overall an exciting day, and like many exciting days there are conflicting feelings.

[lorettalockhorn]

Guess John Morgan isn't her lawyer any more? The one on GVS, introduced as ZFG's lawyer was Keith Mitnik.

I think KM is a partner of John Morgan. He spoke in court the other day, but Morgan was there too.

[Amy]

Here's my southern explanation: pork rinds are pig skin and chittlins are made from pig intestines. Pork rinds come in a bag like potato chips and I'm not sure what chittlins come in because the only chittlins I've seen were made at home. (Seen not eaten, mind you). I hope this helps. :)

Thanks. I have HEARD of and READ about chittlins--but have never seen them in the store (like someone asked--in a can like spaghetti? lol) so guessed chittlins were only made @ and eaten @ home. So, that's why I tho't pork rinds might be how they sell them in the stores. I haven't ever had the pleasure of trying chittlins, but I do enjoy a bag of pork rinds now and again!!!

[Amy]

I didn't watch the pledge of allegiance; did he leave out "under God" too?

Just overall an exciting day, and like many exciting days there are conflicting feelings.

I don't know, I didn't watch. But, the removal of the lapel pin was early in the game--I think even before the primaries.

[tv]

Thanks. I have HEARD of and READ about chittlins--but have never seen them in the store (like someone asked--in a can like spaghetti? lol) so guessed chittlins were only made @ and eaten @ home. So, that's why I tho't pork rinds might be how they sell them in the stores. I haven't ever had the pleasure of trying chittlins, but I do enjoy a bag of pork rinds now and again!!!

Oh yes, pork rinds are an occasional guilty pleasure of mine! :beer:

[mu8shark]

Guess John Morgan isn't her lawyer any more? The one on GVS, introduced as ZFG's lawyer was Keith Mitnik.Maybe that is an old interview on Greta because I could swear John Morgan is still her lawyer. In the last hearing about deposing the liar I think it was Morgan not Mitnik.

[mu8shark]

I think KM is a partner of John Morgan. He spoke in court the other day, but Morgan was there too. Aha ! Got it!

[mu8shark]

No worries-they have there place. Not TMI. Glad u are ok-thats the main thing :seeya: You want to hear TMI? My cocker spaniel has gas tonight and the little guy is about to chase me out of my spot! LOL

[tv]

That's a good explanation of the difference between chitterlings and pork rinds. Lots of my suthren brethren still consider them to be synonymous with pork rinds. Which I confess, I have eaten. Because pork fat rules!!

When I was a kid and my uncle butchered nothing was wasted. I just COULD NOT eat the tongues, brains, chittlins or scrapple. I can put away some pork rinds though. Once in a while. Go pork fat! :D

[mu8shark]

Poor you-what the heck did he eat tonight? Or is it something he just engages in :D I gave him a little bite of banana muffin which he loves and I think that did it! LOL.

[mu8shark]

Mu fess up-you fed the dog chittlins-i just know it:D I can barely keep the lids open so off i go :seeya: That's funny nite to you! I might be next to go off!:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Aha ! Got it!

Not sure how, but found this:

http://florida.legalpointer.com/firmdetails/morgan-morgan/CPID.21863/S.FL-Florida/C.Orlando/P.3

http://www.forthepeople.com/

[Amy]

When I was a kid and my uncle butchered nothing was wasted. I just COULD NOT eat the tongues, brains, chittlins or scrapple. I can put away some pork rinds though. Once in a while. Go pork fat! :D

I didn't know scrapple was part of a pig. I tho't it was like fried mush, which, by the way I HATED with a passion--mush is so UGH in the first place, and frying it and covering it w/syrup did NOT improve it one bit!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

When I was a kid and my uncle butchered nothing was wasted. I just COULD NOT eat the tongues, brains, chittlins or scrapple. I can put away some pork rinds though. Once in a while. Go pork fat! :D

It's the "everything but the squeal" philosophy. I'm a huge fan of Mario Batali, and he frequently reminds us of how frugal Italians are, and that includes utilizing offal.

[Amy]

Not sure how, but found this:

http://florida.legalpointer.com/firmdetails/morgan-morgan/CPID.21863/S.FL-Florida/C.Orlando/P.3

http://www.forthepeople.com/

Thanks. It sounds like Mr Morgan isn't a media hound like some of the players are--seeing as how he let another lawyer appear on a national tv show.

[Amy]

Guess I ought to join the retiring crowd, seeing as how I am scheduled to work tomorrow. Maybe they'll call me off, but I probably have the chance of a snowball in hades for that to happen.

[lorettalockhorn]

I should be baking Leroy a BDay cake, yet here I sit! Sweetie Pie dreams, all!

Found this, which seems to debunk the theory that the news story about Baez's money grubbing may not be phony:

Fla. Bar Prepares Case Against Baez
Anthony Attorney Claims Investigation Filed By People With 'Ax To Grind'

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Florida Bar told WESH 2 Tuesday that they have an "active case" working against Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez.

Baez said he knows about the investigation and said it's been filed by people with an ax to grind.

Baez has signed on world class forensic experts from as far away as Canada, and he will not answer how he's paying for it, he told WESH 2 he has not done anything illegal in his handling of the case against Casey Anthony.

He said he has done nothing but conduct himself in a most professional manner. He said he has done nothing unethical.

This comes as experts continue to question how he's getting the money to pay for his legal dream team.

"How is he affording to represent her and are the decisions being made in her best interest and with her permission?" attorney Richard Hornsby said.

Baez has consistently refused to answer where the money is coming from.

"First of all I think it's an inappropriate question. It isn't a concern of anyone who's paying for all of this," he said.

If Baez has made improper deals, Hornsby said that could provide Anthony grounds for an appeal.

"It would be so easy for Miss Anthony to claim what is called ineffective assistance of counsel," Hornsby said.

Baez confirms he is the subject of an ongoing Bar investigation. He said it was filed by people with an axe to grind and has nothing to do with allegations of unethical financial dealings.

"It's all a crock," he said.

Baez declined an on-camera interview, but added that he has nothing to hide.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18523723/detail.html

Video link:

http://www.wesh.com/video/18524436/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

>>"It's all a crock," he said.

Dayum, Jose. Don't use such high-fallutin legalese on us!

[SaraSidle]

She does not fit the legal definition of insanity which is very, very narrow. When you cover up a crime it is very hard to get off on insanity and she has done too much to cover. Also, in less than 1 per cent of cases where insanity is used as a defense is it even successful. If she were to go for the insanity defense she would have to cop to doing it. There is no plea of I did not do it and I am insane. Only I did it and am insane. Casey will never, ever cop to this. No offense to cops. LOL Also, someone else said she was commiting a slow suicide. This girl is far too narcissistic to really do that. She would like nothing better than to get off and go back to her life. It occured to me that when her parents ask about Caylee and ask for clues she gets really mad. It is like she is saying, "That subject is over for me. I am so over anything to do with Caylee, let's talk about me. " It must be so frustrating for her because part of what probably made her hate her child so much was that the child had begun to take a lot of attention away from Casey. Once she killed her, that attention did not go away. Cindy particulary got even more focused on Caylee and did not just switch her full attention to Casey. And of course she is obsessed with finding Caylee, who would not be? Casey seems to truly not understand their fixation with finding this little girl. I was waiting for her to say,"Can we please talk about something else. Caylee is such a boring and frustrating subject."

great post mu. Lodi Casey is very pathological as most killers on and she has no real defense at this point.. She way knows right from wrong. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Cupcake i am so jealous-you live in my fav. place. I luv AZ and have been many times. I could so be a Zony and everytime i was there i just zoned out into peace and tranquility. It is so beautiful and luv the desert. Wish it would quit growing so fast in the cities. :seeya:

don't we all beem they have okayed killing deers in our city. Like weren't the deers here first and what if one of us gets shot instead. Not a big city to start with. makes me mad............:cuss:

[SaraSidle]

I cant wait to see what LE has under wraps. I also find it hard to wait to hear what if any charges may come Lee's way. What do they know???? I know- patience. Hard when u just want justice served.

You so right beem very hard waiting

[SaraSidle]

I said it too, it's OUR Father, not MY Father. And as if here isn't enough to gripe about where Rick Warren is concerned, he said trespassers instead of debtors. teehee

Godspeed Mr. Obama. And all of us. Aretha coulda shoulda rocked out R.E.S.P.E.C.T after My Country Tis of Thee.

(I'm watching on CNBC. Wish Larry Kudlow would hold off on the bashing until tomorrow!)

Me too Loretta. I wanted to hear Respect so bad.

[SaraSidle]

We did a lot of walking and took the metro to and from - it would've been impossible to drive.
IIRC they had port-a-potties just about everywhere and before we even went to the spot where we watched we had to stop by our senator's office to get our tickets - they had a nice potty in there LOL!

I am just so glad you were there. I watched it on TV all day and was so impressed. You go O2S. I am, jealous

[SaraSidle]

Florida girls don't waste their time laying in the sun for a tan - there is a tanning salon in just about every strip mall. You can't drive two blocks without finding a center that doesn't have a nail salon or tanning salon. Especially here, near the University of Central Florida.

oksy gator.........we got your secrets now

[lorettalockhorn]

Band seeks its 15 minutes of infamy

A small-time alt-rock band from Orlando, Fla., is attempting to turn the tragic death of Caylee Anthony into fame and fortune for itself through a macabre PR stunt.

Biteboy, a group that lists convicted felon/boy-band impresario Lou Pearlman as a consultant, has penned a tune calling for a confession from Casey Anthony, Caylee’s mother and the prime suspect in the 2-year-old’s killing.

“My son Ricky [Namey, the band’s lead singer] lives across the street from the Orange County Jail, where Casey’s being kept,” Rick Namey told us. “That gave them the idea for this song.”

Poppa Namey, the band’s manager and a “pal” of Pearlman’s, sees nothing wrong with abhorrently exploiting the slaying of the tot, because he thinks Biteboy is essentially a newspaper. Um, what?

“[Caylee and Casey Anthony are] the biggest news story in the world, and Biteboy writes news. We’re media,” Namey said. Asked how a band could be considered a media organization, Namey responded, “Bob Dylan won the Pulitzer Prize. Music is media.” (Namey is referring to an honorary Pulitzer that Dylan received in April.)

“When you put out a record, it’s called a pressing. So we’re press,” Namey continued. “Biteboy is the same thing as a newspaper. Our songs are our op-ed pages. And freedom of the press is for everyone, man.”

But Biteboy has gone even further in its quest for attention. Namey said the band did a “roll-up” at Casey Anthony’s house when she was out of jail. “That’s when we show up on a trailer, play our song and split before the cops come, since they never give us permits,” Namey said. “Biteboy taunted her to do a benefit for missing children.”

He had no response when asked if he thinks his marketing tactic is vile, and instead stated that he’s looking to point out the “hypocrisy and double standards of media.

We consider Biteboy to be media. So why is it cheap and tawdry when we cover a story, but not when Nancy Grace does? She’s making millions in advertising from covering the same story.”

But if Biteboy smashed that double standard, who would ever care about its shock tactics?

“There may be validity to that,” Namey admitted. “I don’t know if we would trade unfair criticism for being ignored.

The basic idea is to get attention, no matter how we get it.”

In that case, you’re welcome.

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/01/08/2009-01-08_band_seeks_its_15_minutes_of_infamy.html

*BONUS* Link includes comments from a Biteboy him/it self.

[SaraSidle]

I changed my email yesterday and thought I needed to change it on my profile here. Well it turned into an odessy I'm not qualified to describe. I changed my name here and re registered but, and then, so I , then it was impossible to, so I went to mail dot com and made a new email name and had intended to let you all know it was me but it didn't work and so I went on poppa's PC, made another ID and then I couldn't post from mine, and I said, forget it! Then I missed you all so I wrote a "help me" note to the biggie who helps and , it's all bettah now.

WHaaaahhhh!!!!
Gimmi kithez! It's so good to be home. LOL!


:seeya:

By the way, NG last night? Why? I would have been better off reading here.


i AM SO glad you are back to yourself. I got my computer back after 2 months of repair and I am still unable to open a link. very frustrating

[lorettalockhorn]

Me too Loretta. I wanted to hear Respect so bad.

hehehe At least she didn't belt out Chain of Fools!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-uNb_Nihuk&feature=related

[SaraSidle]

I could be wrong but I don't have much hope for toxicology showing anything when there was no tissue. There of course could be signs in the hair if it was given to her long term but otherwise... I don't see this as promising.Would sure be nice though

Actually where I was headed mu. between finger prints on duct tape and poison in hair remains that would do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can only hope. IMO

[sharlock]

Hey guys, I am still hanging around hoping against hope that the docs will be released soon. Can someone tell me what time it is in America and how long do you expect it will be for them to come out if they are released tomorrow?

[sharlock]

Take a look at what is on craigslist.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/rnr/992406908.html
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Date: 2009-01-14, 10:05AM EST


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[sharlock]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Another 311 pages of discovery documents were turned over to Casey Anthony's defense team on Tuesday.

It is not yet known what information the documents contain.

Once the information is made available to the defense, it becomes public record. The documents are expected to be released as early as Wednesday morning.

MyFoxOrlando will post all of the documents online as soon as they become available.
Ohmy, oh my oh my, the suspense is killing me!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8287211&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[tv]

It's the "everything but the squeal" philosophy. I'm a huge fan of Mario Batali, and he frequently reminds us of how frugal Italians are, and that includes utilizing offal.Offal -- good word for it! Pronounced AWFUL of course!

[tv]

I changed my email yesterday and thought I needed to change it on my profile here. Well it turned into an odessy I'm not qualified to describe. I changed my name here and re registered but, and then, so I , then it was impossible to, so I went to mail dot com and made a new email name and had intended to let you all know it was me but it didn't work and so I went on poppa's PC, made another ID and then I couldn't post from mine, and I said, forget it! Then I missed you all so I wrote a "help me" note to the biggie who helps and , it's all bettah now.

WHaaaahhhh!!!!
Gimmi kithez! It's so good to be home. LOL!


:seeya:

By the way, NG last night? Why? I would have been better off reading here.

NG was terrible last night. Not only it was old jailhouse interviews that I could quote verbatim but they ran some of the same interviews more than once. I wish she'd stop using words such as 'bombshell' and 'shocking' when it's the same old same old. I'm with you -- why??

[javahog]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-marie-anthony-casey-012109,0,5932835.story

Is starting to put up info on the doc dump...

[javahog]

Awww, rest a lot and drink fluids. There is a terrible bug going round here too. Scarlet Fever is back and of course the usual winter maladies like Strep Throat. Knock on wood I'm good to go. Poppa is an herb specialist as an aside to his career and he always uses Caloital Silver to protect himself. He takes so many herbs my kids tell him he is going to "die of nothin!" He's incredible and has helped a lot of people get well though. He says Western Medical pros are legal murderers. I tend to agree. Unless they're not getting high on their own supply. (Though some save lives, when they're not killing you. Throw the dice!)

I hope you're feeling better later. I got the magic pasta, if you need. Going shopping now, I'll check on ya later. :)

Dan, I am a big fan of alternative medicine, but used in concert with western medicine. I have seen some truly horrible things that you don't generally see on people today: fatal tooth abcesses, infections that have eaten through the bones of skull, tuberculosis and tertiary syphilis, 50% child mortality rate by 6 years of age...and don't get me started on ancient childbirth. Homebirth, yeah, but believe me, don't use ancient women's "success" as a reason...the percentage was not good...