Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

Do you think she thought George would be a better victim for her head games because he had dirty hands? Ya know, like comrade's in arms? We're bad so you will understand and go easy on me, but the ***** hag won't. We can hate her together? Let's gang up on her because all of this is her fault?

I have no idea, but thought it was really strange that George would be the one that she wanted to spend time with. (Not even sure what the deal was with having a visit with only one of them.) Honestly, I'da thunk that she would want to visit with Lee if she couldn't see G&C together.

We can be comrades in arms! But you know that I want her hanging from the highest tree. Life in prison without parole and only bologna and coleslaw to eat isn't good enough.

[mu8shark]

The other thing I found kind of nauseating was Casey berating Cindy and George for not bailing her out. I would have said to her," I am fresh out of money covering for your GD stealing girlie." She also ask what lesson she is supposed to learn from all this/ At the very very least stop your lying. She does her best I can tell to make her parents feel guilty.

[lorettalockhorn]

A lot of people over at Gretawire are blasting Greta for her misinformation on all the bones being in the bag. Most people who have followed this case closely know that the bones were scattered. The theory is Greta is defense minded in this case and does not believe Kronk and so she is putting incorrect info out there to make it look bad. I don't know about that but it does get frustrating not getting the local coverage. Nancy gets on my nerves but her info is usually accurate . Greta does not get on my nerves but her info is wrong most of the time, at least lately. . This is the second time by the way she has gotten her info all wrong. And Geraldo forget it he has wrong info and gets on my nerves, so what is a girl to do??

Didnt see every minute of the Greta interview with Jose, but didnt he say something to her about how much information is on the news and the NG type shows? Talk about your irony!

[mu8shark]

Didnt see every minute of the Greta interview with Jose, but didnt he say something to her about how much information is on the news and the NG type shows? Talk about your irony! And to top it off I got the feeling Greta did not realize the second autopsy had been done.Weird. Jose did not disabuse her of that either.

[lorettalockhorn]

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After the video I saw tonight, I'm with you on that. She was demonic to say the least. It's all about her. Dead baby, shocked mother, devastated father, and it is still, all about her. How anyone feels is of no interest to her. She needs to be locked in a truck in 100 degree weather with duct tape on her mouth. Then she needs to know how dying slowly feels. There is nothing I've ever seen, read or heard that compares to this monster.

She can see who ever she wants to see because she's CASEY. She can make all the decisions because she is the boss. She calls the shots and when she says, I' want to see one at a time, well then, who will argue with her? Her daddy told her she's the boss, so she is. She got her status back when she got rid of the competition. If that little girl didn't get out of her way, she may have gotten rid of Cindy and George. Someone had to go, that's for sure because she's the FKING BOSS!

Omigosh Conglomerate CEO Casey is even more bizarre than The Finger Family thing.

[mu8shark]

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After the video I saw tonight, I'm with you on that. She was demonic to say the least. It's all about her. Dead baby, shocked mother, devastated father, and it is still, all about her. How anyone feels is of no interest to her. She needs to be locked in a truck in 100 degree weather with duct tape on her mouth. Then she needs to know how dying slowly feels. There is nothing I've ever seen, read or heard that compares to this monster.

She can see who ever she wants to see because she's CASEY. She can make all the decisions because she is the boss. She calls the shots and when she says, I' want to see one at a time, well then, who will argue with her? Her daddy told her she's the boss, so she is. She got her status back when she got rid of the competition. If that little girl didn't get out of her way, she may have gotten rid of Cindy and George. Someone had to go, that's for sure because she's the FKING BOSS!I so believe that Dan. When Jesse Grund said they broke up the first time because Casey accused him of loving Caylee more, my jaw dropped. To me that is baffling. A lot of single mothers worry that their prospective husband will not love or care for their children like their own. I just think that was outrageous. You could not be more on the money, Caylee was competition with the boyfriend and more importantly with Cindy and George and when she says on that tape, "I know what your priorities are ." she does it with that hateful smirk. No wonder she loses it , how dare they come in and ask her about Caylee? The visits go much better when they are asking her how she is and she is going on about coleslaw and bologna and sleeping and blah blah blah

[mu8shark]

Omigosh Conglomerate CEO Casey is even more bizarre than The Finger Family thing. I know , I know is that not just freaking weird.???? If I were George I would have worded it much different, I would have told her that if she wanted to be bailed out she needed to tell the truth and that would be the only control she would have.I think it is ironic that Baez in his motion wanted this tape released. It literally shows his client in the worst light more than any other. And who is the Casey he sees we are not seeing? Makes you wonder what they were doing in that office lol. I know that is terrible and I am joking but only kind of. I still say he is bedazzled by her.

[mu8shark]

Right mu! Did you see how she was trying to express herself with her hands even though she was in cuffs? Can you just imagine what she did in her house when she had a full moon fit? She's very forceful with the hands and the facial expressions were very threatening. Cindy was spent. I also noticed that George did not touch Cindy when she was caving in. No physical touch is a huge statement. Even a stranger would have put his arm around the woman, she was physically falling over. Was he afraid to show Cindy affection in front of Casey?

"Jeeeze, they shoot horses don't they?" That family is broken in pieces. I really hope the jury sees this tape. I agree it does not prove anything per se but it will balance out the other Casey that Jose will try to present. Demeanor and character are so much more important in cases than people realize in cases, because when the forensic testing is conflicting jurors go with what they do understand and we all understand demeanor and character. Pam Bondi said she would not overdo it on the tapes and I agree I would just show this one

[mu8shark]

Ooooh it's after 1:00 am!!

Goodnight my brilliants! Thanks again for all the info. You are more informative than CNN. You're the best! See you with my cawfeee in the morning. Nite you're the best too. I have to work tomorrow but will be on tomorrow night.

[Amy]

Wasn't Casey noncommital on that though saying Maybe Zanny had a key to the house. ? If I remember right she never said she did have one only maybe and she looked shocked Cindy would suggest that. Also did you say on a post a while back that if Cindy gave the defense the bedding that would be reciprocal discovery and LE was entitled to that? I find that really disturbing if she gave the defense the bedding in favor of LE. I think a case for obstruction could be made if there was a search warrant for that and it was removed.

According to Cindy, @ least one search warrant had been executed and LE did not take the bedding. She says she even OFFERED the bedding to LE--I'm wondering if it was offered specifically, or if she is just saying, she told them to go thru and get everything (which I THINK they have to pretty much stick to the warrant list, otherwise, it might be a he said/she said proposition about what was taken that was not on the list.)

[One2Snoop]

Here's to making it our business to be the TOTAL opposite! I'm with you! We can write the book, they can read it!
:beer:

I could add a few things about some of my siblings that might actually make your book a best seller. ;) :beer: :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

Omigosh Conglomerate CEO Casey is even more bizarre than The Finger Family thing.

OK my hubby absconded with the remote tonight so I had to catch Greta on the repeat....

WTF is up with detectives visiting the home today? Conway was certainly evasive when Greta asked about it. Anyone heard anything else about it?

Baez = :confused: He had that frickin' smirk on his face like I screwed her and she's under my command - WTF? :eek: :punch: I'm sorry but I can't take that smirky smile of Baez' - it will do him in, IMO. No wait, Casey will do him in - that makes more sense. JMO. :patriot::beer:

[One2Snoop]

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Right. She wants to talk about CASEY.. Part of the sociopath thing mixed in with the narcissism. She can only see her own reflection so what is everyone talking about besides me? She can't help it. Her brain isn't like anyone elses. To make her see the real matter would be like trying to get a fish to ride a bike. It can't happen.

I'm tellin' ya I have friends in the southern part of Georgia who'd love to take Casey on a field trip to their barn. It comes equipped with whips, chains and jackasses - she can have her pick. :flamemad: :biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

Not sure why the heck this is titled "hero mom" but its obviously a mistake - maybe they meant "hero mom involved in plane crash rescue?" :shrug:

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

New Tape Surfaces; Hero Mom Murder

Aired January 16, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, bombshell jailhouse video released of Casey Anthony, frustrated, angry, and talking a bit too much behind bars to her parents. All caught on tape.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ijvm.01.html

[Amy]

Gee, I only have two questions.

1) Were these items ever not for sale? Had they ever been removed from the website? Just how many requests did they have? One? Ten? One hundred?

2) Bart's gonna ask Cindy if they should close the sale after the aforementioned plea to still provide the articles? I thought the items were up for sale at Boss Cindy's direction.

I don't remember whether or not these items were on sale on the website before Caylee was found. I do think they were ON the website, just not for sale? I do remember that someone from one of the boards did go to one of the open house like things the A's had and the items were for free. There was a request for donations, just not a sale price on any of the t-shirts, buttons, etc. So, it could be that they were only placed ON SALE after Caylee was found? I was thinking they were thinking that there are people who want a "memento" of Caylee, and the A's, KFN, Bart, whomever figured people would be willing to PAY for them now?

[One2Snoop]

OK my hubby absconded with the remote tonight so I had to catch Greta on the repeat....

WTF is up with detectives visiting the home today? Conway was certainly evasive when Greta asked about it. Anyone heard anything else about it?

Baez = :confused: He had that frickin' smirk on his face like I screwed her and she's under my command - WTF? :eek: :punch: I'm sorry but I can't take that smirky smile of Baez' - it will do him in, IMO. No wait, Casey will do him in - that makes more sense. JMO. :patriot::beer:

Adding another observation I had of Greta tonight - she's not into this case ( I mentioned this early on) the passion is not there - not like she had with the Natalee Holloway case. Just my 2 cents.

[Amy]

Jav, I love this subject. I've always studied these types of people. I have a couple of them in my own family. I'll start with a sister who seemed normal upstairs and was high functioning. She was the golden child only because if she didn't get her way, all hell broke lose. She seemed to function normally but there were psychotic episodes that shook the family. Some of her reactions when she did not get what she wanted were over the top and scared the bajesus out of us younger siblings.

My mother trained us all to keep peace. That meant, say nothing when we saw the behaviors that hurt her or others. I am the mega peace keeper though several times I faced her off and my mother blamed me for the result which was holy hell.

There was always a scape goat. My mother was an angel and now, even in her death, my sister spews hatred for her, while she's denied all my mother did for her, including supporting her and her sons for over 40 years. She took what she wanted, including gifts we gave my mother. My mother was terrified to complain or correct her. She always lived with my mother through several marriages and some of her husbands were just like her. Where ever she saw opportunity to gain, she did, no matter who it cost. My mother had 9 children, most of them successful, so she was given the same opportunities.

At this time, she is 63 years old and taps into her sons for money and rescue while telling the world she takes care of them. Lies are the lynch pins to her life. I have no patience for it and she hates me too. I live a good peaceful life and she can't stand it. She visits and acts out every time she sees something my husband bought me. She gets snippy and sarcastic or just walks off with it. She is constantly in financial distress. When she works, she buys off her sons and then attacks them when thy refuse her wants.

Some of my siblings would rather eat dog dung then be in her company. To answer your questions, they can come across as normal at times but it isn't consistent behavior because they always need something from someone. They can also convince you to give it to them then bite your back for having it to give.

We were all raised the same but she could not be forced to pay consequences or the house would be a living hell. I can still hear my mother's words, "If you love me, don't say anything about (whatever it was she did) because she will go nuts and I can't deal with her. Please don't get her started." I would always say the same thing. "There are no rules for her? There are no consequences for her? Why Ma?" My mother just cried.

Was she born like that? I don't know the answer to that. She started this behavior after puberty as far as I can see. Training them to be honorable? Never happen!

It's horrible to grow up in such a home when one of the people in it is sociopath.

I am sorry your family has had to deal with this, and continue to do so. @ least some of you all confront her on her actions, lies, even tho that does not change her. I'm one who just can't routinely "go along" with carp--I have this nagging little need in me to let the person know that *I* know it's a lot of carp. I can see, tho, going along to keep the peace when to not do so makes Mom cry. Altho, while Mom crying hurts others around her, it does not usually hurt the person @ the cause--the sociopath who probably LAUGHS @ her for crying.

There were 7 of us, we all grew up in the same house, same parents, same values passed to us, so, how could ONE have turned out so differently? Ours isn't a sociopath, but she does connive, deceive etc to get some of the things she wants.

[Amy]

I was waiting for the Liar to be asked and answer as to where the note of instructions is she was given by Zanny. That was with story #2 when she was knocked down in the park and Caylee was kidnapped. Never has been any word of where the supposed note went. I am sure she probably just said oh i threw it away. I am sure LE has that one under wraps for now.

I always felt she came up with story #2 to explain the script--because she was talking about the script even with the first version. So, she goes to pick up Caylee, and she and Zanny have poofed, and instead of worrying if anything had happened to Zanny AND Caylee--car wreck, some kind of injury, etc--she immediately thinks--KIDNAPPING!!!! and goes off to the clubs to find Zanny. and she says she didn't tell anyone because of the script. Someone must have pointed out to her that her first story does NOT include HOW or where she got the script--so she changed it to Zanny and Sammi and the park, and the script being thrown @ her. Wonder who was able to point this out to her, or if she had time to think about it whilst she sat in jail, her time and tho'ts not being eaten up by constant cell phone conversations and texts?

[Amy]

The defense might try that tactic but Kronk could not have known Nejame was going to do this way back in August.I don't think the jury is going to be that worried about whether Kronk took money or what he said in interviews. I think it is Casey there are going to be putting on trial and good luck to the defense if they think they can make it the trial of Kronk and not their client. Because nothing ties him to the crime at all. It is just like everything else that the defense is trying, it is just grasping. I found out what the defense says the prosecutorial misconduct is. regarding the Aug 14 visit. . My cousin said that Geraldo was on Bill O Reilly tonight talking about this case and he said that Baez told Casey specifically not to talk to anyone period , not even her parents and that because LE let her have a visit knowing that he did not want her to talk to anyone without a lawyer, it is misconduct on their part.He contends it will show the jury how overzealous LE was . Also Geraldo says the release of this tape proves George was trying to pump Casey for information on behalf of LE and that because of that it will blow the prosecutions case apart. ! Now first of all, if Casey was told by Baez not to see visitors and she did it anyway, that is her choice. LE would get in a lot of trouble banning her from seeing visitors without a good reason. Second of all if LE did ask George to ask her some questions or pump her for info, so be it. People get miked up and tape others and all kinds of stuff at the behest of LE and it is not against the law, nor does it ruin their cases. Geraldo said on BOR that while he thinks Casey is guilty he thinks because LE made this particular tape afte Baez told Casey not to see people without him, it will give Baez a good defense because LE was wrong to do it and Casey might get off. Geraldo may have been a lawyer once but apparently if he and Baez think the release of this tape will get her off, they are both out there in outer space somewhere. Gonna try to watch the segment myself at 10 pm.

I know that defense has to throw a lot of spaghetti @ the walls especially in cases like this. But, really!!!! It would seem that most of us armchair detectives have more of a legal sense than some of the defense ATTORNEYS that show their mugs on national tv. I'm almost embarrassed for some of these bozos who just make themselves look ignorant, really, in such a public way.

Look @ Scott Peterson. HIS interview was actually with a REPORTER, televised for all to see, after his attorney (former attorney by then) specifically advised him to not talk publically. Maybe that's what Geraldo and Jose are forgetting---the lawyers ADVISE their clients, their clients are free to either take that advice or heed it. @ least in the Peterson case, the attorney had enough balz to tell his client, if you aren't going to TAKE the advice you are PAYING me for, I'm outta here!!!!

Just like the attorney can ADVISE his client to not get on the stand @ trial. The client can heed that advice and keep his trap shut, or he can say, sorry, dude, I've gotta go defend my honor!!!

[Amy]

I consider myself average intelligence; smart enough to get on a jury, and I'm telling you that if I was on a jury and even if Bozo was the defense attorney, I would wonder why Kronk's statements keep changing, and why NeJame (who has clearly jumped sides) paid him before the case even hits the courthouse. And even if Baez can't think fast enough on his feet to use Kronk's own flipflopping to discredit him, you know someone like LKB will. No, Kronk can't be tied to the crime that we know of, but I do wonder if he can be tied to the Anthonys. (UGH)

Oh gosh, I can barely take Geraldo by himself. No way could I handle him AND Bill O! Tell your cousin thanks for the synopsis. :beer:

Agree that if Casey agreed to see the rents, it's her own stupid fault if she said anything incriminating. And there have been comments by either Casey, George, or Cindy about being recorded before, so I'm sure they know. It's stated plainly on the OCSO website that visits are videotaped, and I would be very surprised if there isn't some sort of reminded posted in plain view in or near the visitation room.

When there is an award for a specific thing (finding Caylee) the person who EARNS that reward is paid. Especially in cases like this, the person has to wait til ....well, FOREVER for the trial even commence before getting the reward? Or, after waiting eons for the trial, to have to wait thru what might be MONTHS of a trial? No, the reward was for the discovery. It should not be tied to who is going to testify, who will be called to testify, etc. There are plenty of people who feel that Kronk earned the reward, but because he was on company time, so to speak, the company says he cannot qualify for the reward (which doesn't make sense to me, but it's their rules.) NeJames seems to be in a position where he can afford to right the wrong that many see. I don't know why anyone on a jury would begrudge him for that.

[Amy]

Watching Greta, she said that LE was at the Anthony house today, but Conway says it wasn't related to the murder investigation. Conway also said that he doesn't represent anyone in this case except G&C. Was this recorded today?

That is interesting. I remember when he says that D Casey doesn't need a lawyer, and he knows this how? Because HE is a lawyer!!! Then, in an interview not long after that, I would swear he talked about his clients, the A's AND D Casey. I'm sure I'm not the only one who read/heard this, cuz there was discussion about what would have to be a conflict of interest there. My guess would be that, by now, even Mr Conway and/or his clients realized that D Casey would need counsel other than him.

And, I wonder HOW they get their attorneys? Not all believe that Casey found Baez from talk with other inmates. I think NeJames offered his services (not free, but approached them) because he saw the need for them to shut up and tho't he could get them to that point. How did they come up w/Conway, and how did Lee come up w/Luka? Did they go to the yellow pages? Or call the bar association for names of criminal defense attorneys? Or did these guys approach them? "Enquiring" minds want to know!!!!! @ least this enquiring mind does. I guess tho, as one of my mentors would say--this affects your life how? This affects this case how? In the big picture, does this matter?

[Amy]

"Sheriff's Capt. Angelo Nieves said the new bones were found on the perimeter of the search area off Suburban Drive where investigators and crime-scene technicians have been working since last week." Also commentators have been talking since they found the bag how the bones were scattered . One defense attorney even commented how he thought someone must have gone through the trouble to place the body there and scatter them. I am really disappointed that Greta is so misinformed that she would waste her one forensic question to Baden with incorrect info? Is anybody else gonna tune in to watch Geraldo on Bill O Reilly!I think I will but would like to have someone else take on it. It is on now where I am. I know I am a critic on this question on Greta but really jeez.

Even the defense attorney TH's grasp @ straws. I'm sure (@ least I am hoping) they don't really BELIEVE what they say, but that they are just saying what a particular defense attorney might try to come up with. The part about scattered bones. Even BEFORE i was interested in this kind of stuff, I knew that, if there is a body (animal or human) left to the elements, they will not likely remain intact. The wind, the rain, the snow, etc will have an effect. And, certainly the fauna of the area will have an effect--whatever animals are on the scene can certainly move parts of the body here and there, and when all is said and done, what is left are the bones. When one finds bones scattered here and there, MOST LIKELY it was animal activity that caused the scattering. Anyone with a lick of sense will come to that conclusion, and disregard any numbskull statement by the defense that says otherwise. IMO

[Amy]

Is that what she was trying to say? I took it that they were trying to say Caylee was snake bit! Makes a little more sense now.

Again, it comes back to --if one's chld was snake bit, would not one get help IMMEDIATELY? Heck, even with a small child, there would be time for medical help before the bite could kill, if one calls for help THEN--and, we all know that Casey would not have the excuse of not being able to call, her dang cell phone was a permanent attachment to her hand and ear!!!!!

Well, Mr Lawyer, my precious little baby and I were in that wooded area, I wanted her to see and enjoy the places I went to as a child. And, all of a sudden, this big, bad, very poisonous snake bit my baby, and she died before my eyes. I couldn't remember the number to 911, and was paralyzed with fear and panic. When I realized my baby was dead, I was afraid I would be accused of something for not making the 911 call, so...........and then the nanny came and took her and gave me this script and I don't think Caylee was really dead and I tho't nanny (cuz she is a WONDERFUL person) would make Caylee okay and return her to me and........so, that's the truth, Mr Lawyer!!!! I didn't think anyone would believe me, so that's why I said she was kidnapped from Sawgrass, and then, that didn't go quite right, so I said Blanchard Park, but, really, really, this is really the truth of what happened!!!! :D

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After the video I saw tonight, I'm with you on that. She was demonic to say the least. It's all about her. Dead baby, shocked mother, devastated father, and it is still, all about her. How anyone feels is of no interest to her. She needs to be locked in a truck in 100 degree weather with duct tape on her mouth. Then she needs to know how dying slowly feels. There is nothing I've ever seen, read or heard that compares to this monster.

She can see who ever she wants to see because she's CASEY. She can make all the decisions because she is the boss. She calls the shots and when she says, I' want to see one at a time, well then, who will argue with her? Her daddy told her she's the boss, so she is. She got her status back when she got rid of the competition. If that little girl didn't get out of her way, she may have gotten rid of Cindy and George. Someone had to go, that's for sure because she's the FKING BOSS!


I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER!..... 100% WITH YOU!!!... "There is nothing I've ever seen, read or heard that compares to this monster".

[Amy]

I think the when will be much easier than the how because by 8 pm on the sixteenth or close to it, Caylee is not with Casey anymore according to the video at the Blockbuster and according to Tony he never saw the child that night or ever again. So I think that between 1 pm when George last saw Caylee and Casey and when she met up with Tony again on the 16th they can come that close. I personally think she was dead before Casey made that flurry of phone calls to her Mom and Dad at about 3:11 pm but that is just an opinion. The how I am not so sure they will ever be able to say with certainty although a theory may be presented.

And I have my doubts that George Anthony saw his daughter and granddaughter on the 16th @ all.
IMO, even if he DID see them leave, and could give their attire in detailed description, it was the night of the 15th, perhaps when Casey was storming out of the house with Caylee. And, who knows, she might have even told her dad she was going to work--it seems she "worked" during evening hours, or she might have said it sarcastically to him in a nasty tone.

[Amy]

...no more parent visits. The prosecutor and the cops manipulated George Anthony into getting that meeting with his daughter specifically (BOR interrupts) the lawyer will allege(?) .... to get this tape, to get this damning tape (interruption) they are playing, they are trying everything they can to alter the playing field, remember they didn't let their forensic experts for the defense witness the exhumation of the body, they are going to screw this case up with their zeal to convict this (interruption) The prosecution and the Orange County sheriff specifically, I think it's outrageous that we are seeing that tape when this woman had an attorney and the attorney said she's not speaking to the authorities, they went in the back door and they saw this testimony which I think puts their whole case in peril.

And I say, Geraldo, perhaps you should go back over the particulars of this case, not just spout what lies Jose provides you with.

As many of us have pointed out, Casey can very well make the decision to have anyone she wants visit her in jail, regardless of what her attorney ADVISES her do to. If Cindy and George show up and it is @ an appropriate visitation time, and Casey says she wants to see her parents, I don't think the jail employees can refuse to let the visitation occur. It's not like the jailers have time to phone attorneys of each and every prisoner to approve of visits. Approval of visits is made by the inmate, unless there is some disciplinary action going on from the jail side.

AND, exactly WHEN did Jose get to Casey to tell her no more visits? Was it before this one, or was it after, when maybe she was talking to Jose. Cuz, the one on one visit w/George did NOT take place, after Jose talked to Casey.

[Amy]

Looks like you all went to bed--I just woke up from a 3 hour nap--fell asleep in the middle of a post!!! Since I gotta get up and to work in a couple of hours, I guess I'd better head off to bed, too. Slept thru NG and GVS, too. AND the repeats!!! So, thanks all for the info on what they covered.

[Amy]

Casey will ABSOLUTELY do Baez in. How many has she already destroyed after Caylee? Mom, Dad and Lee come to mind. Lenard, Tim, Jesse, Amy, can you think of any more? I know there's more. :mad:

I'm sure KioMarie will be a victim, Roy Kronk, probably Mark NeJames, even their current lawyers. The list goes on and on and on. IMO

[Amy]

IMO. YES! She always knew.

The night she found Casey and between all the huppla (calling 911 etc) she said these words, "CASEY WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?"

Why does she defend her? Her words to one of the detectives, "I don't want to lose two of them."

She is in the crescendo a of mental breakdown. She can't process this anymore. Her life is pretty much over. I think she and George should be on suicide watch. Or, at the very least, medicated.

I'm still stymied by the fact that while Cindy was falling over in emotional pain, and rocking in her chair during the August visit with Casey, he never touched her. His arm was on the back of her chair and it stayed there. Cold as ice, is George. I'd toss him under the bus with his daughter and get out of dodge. Sorry, I'm a touchy feely person. I've held strangers in my arms for a lot less than what she's going through. That is no marriage, it's a business arrangement. Even the worst people need human touch when they are in agony. JAYZUUUSSS! That blew my mind.


Good mornin. I'm on my second cup of cawffee!

They have a background of animosity in that marriage, evidenced by one filing for divorce, if nothing else. The rumor that George might be back in the home, not necessarily back in the marriage. And, even if George was the one to file for divorce, it could have been a financial tactic, and maybe the wanting a divorce came from Cindy. So, if it is true they are still together basically for financial reasons, who is to say that Cindy wouldn't have rebuffed his attempts @ consoling her? Some days had passed, maybe he had tried to console her before and she told him not to bother? It could be that George is cold as ice toward Cindy. OR, it could be that Cindy is cold as ice to George and he doesn't want a public rebuff from her.

[Amy]

I get to work today, and there is a nurse taking report in Peds, and one taking report in NICU (which is where I NORMALLY work.) So, I say, I guess this means I have to work on OB. The nurses say, they don't know WHAT they will be doing with me today, as I wasn't on the schedule to work!!!! DANG!!! I HATE when that happens, but I am always glad to get the heck out of Dodge and go back home and to bed!!!

Since my only plans today were to spend 12 hours @ work, I have the day to do whatever I want. I don't want to clean or do laundry, so guess I will just have to play @ the computer!!!! lol

[deputydi]

Baez wanted this tape out because it showed police misconduct, what the hell? Where? Also it just shows you how out of touch Jose Bizarre is, this tape is nothing but damaging to this client. Why would he want that tape out there???
I don't think we've seen the unedited version of that tape.

[javahog]

Jav, I love this subject. I've always studied these types of people. I have a couple of them in my own family. I'll start with a sister who seemed normal upstairs and was high functioning. She was the golden child only because if she didn't get her way, all hell broke lose. She seemed to function normally but there were psychotic episodes that shook the family. Some of her reactions when she did not get what she wanted were over the top and scared the bajesus out of us younger siblings.

My mother trained us all to keep peace. That meant, say nothing when we saw the behaviors that hurt her or others. I am the mega peace keeper though several times I faced her off and my mother blamed me for the result which was holy hell.

There was always a scape goat. My mother was an angel and now, even in her death, my sister spews hatred for her, while she's denied all my mother did for her, including supporting her and her sons for over 40 years. She took what she wanted, including gifts we gave my mother. My mother was terrified to complain or correct her. She always lived with my mother through several marriages and some of her husbands were just like her. Where ever she saw opportunity to gain, she did, no matter who it cost. My mother had 9 children, most of them successful, so she was given the same opportunities.

At this time, she is 63 years old and taps into her sons for money and rescue while telling the world she takes care of them. Lies are the lynch pins to her life. I have no patience for it and she hates me too. I live a good peaceful life and she can't stand it. She visits and acts out every time she sees something my husband bought me. She gets snippy and sarcastic or just walks off with it. She is constantly in financial distress. When she works, she buys off her sons and then attacks them when thy refuse her wants.

Some of my siblings would rather eat dog dung then be in her company. To answer your questions, they can come across as normal at times but it isn't consistent behavior because they always need something from someone. They can also convince you to give it to them then bite your back for having it to give.

We were all raised the same but she could not be forced to pay consequences or the house would be a living hell. I can still hear my mother's words, "If you love me, don't say anything about (whatever it was she did) because she will go nuts and I can't deal with her. Please don't get her started." I would always say the same thing. "There are no rules for her? There are no consequences for her? Why Ma?" My mother just cried.

Was she born like that? I don't know the answer to that. She started this behavior after puberty as far as I can see. Training them to be honorable? Never happen!

It's horrible to grow up in such a home when one of the people in it is sociopath.

Wow, sounds like my aunt who I've never met. She found new stomping grounds, got married, and abandoned the family. That was like 35 years ago, no one has seen her since.

Thanks for the answer. Its really fascinating. Watching Casey on that tape was like seeing a 12 year old lose their temper, sure they are behaving in a far more mature manner than any one else, but everyone else can see the problem. It was almost like a form of developmental arrest...

[shadydaisy]

I could add a few things about some of my siblings that might actually make your book a best seller. ;) :beer: :seeya:

Can I add some stuff about my mother and her mother? We could have a best seller! I would like to add that my grandmother made my mother the way she is. I was the unwanted grandchild that took time from my mother and grandmother's special relationship. My grandmother always lived with us because no one catered to my mother the way her mother could. My mother was married 4 times and is presently looking for a man, again. My mother was non-functional when her mothered died. No one will ever take her place - she crowned my mother the queen. I believe my mother was a nurture case.

[javahog]

Still watching Nancy Grace and I'm wondering if the "police misconduct" that Baez wants us to see is where Casey tells the parents that LE didn't even give her 24 hours to help the case. Yeah, right. 31 days AND 23 hours and 59 minutes would have been enough time for Casey to solve the case. :rolleyes:

Interesting that the medical doctor that spoke seems to think that the funeral may be being held up because the defense is continuing to examine Caylee's bones for evidence of some congenital defect or chloroform. So, if there is some defect that caused Caylee's demise, why/how does that explain that she ended up in The Zone? And I thought that prior experts had told us that the bones wouldn't show evidence of chloroform or drugs. Or maybe not unless they had been used for some period of time. Why would the defense want that information to be part of the case? It's hard enough to believe that anyone other than Casey had control over Caylee before and when she disappeared, it's really going to be a stretch that someone was drugging Caylee for an extended period of time.

Maybe they are looking for the newly discovered Toddler Suicide Gene.

But what jumped out at me was the congenital defect search. WTH would a congenital defect matter. Covering up the body seems a clear admission of guilt. It made me go, what ARE they looking at paternity?! Or is Casey admitting body dumping, but says Caylee dropped dead mysteriously? Good luck!

It's hard to imagine what more they could learn from the bones by now. Take samples and let her grandparents bury her already, Baez!

[javahog]

Again, it comes back to --if one's chld was snake bit, would not one get help IMMEDIATELY? Heck, even with a small child, there would be time for medical help before the bite could kill, if one calls for help THEN--and, we all know that Casey would not have the excuse of not being able to call, her dang cell phone was a permanent attachment to her hand and ear!!!!!

Well, Mr Lawyer, my precious little baby and I were in that wooded area, I wanted her to see and enjoy the places I went to as a child. And, all of a sudden, this big, bad, very poisonous snake bit my baby, and she died before my eyes. I couldn't remember the number to 911, and was paralyzed with fear and panic. When I realized my baby was dead, I was afraid I would be accused of something for not making the 911 call, so...........and then the nanny came and took her and gave me this script and I don't think Caylee was really dead and I tho't nanny (cuz she is a WONDERFUL person) would make Caylee okay and return her to me and........so, that's the truth, Mr Lawyer!!!! I didn't think anyone would believe me, so that's why I said she was kidnapped from Sawgrass, and then, that didn't go quite right, so I said Blanchard Park, but, really, really, this is really the truth of what happened!!!! :D

And if the snake bit Caylee, why is the SNAKE dead? What kind of congenital defect are they looking for, poisonous flesh? And few snakes are known to stuff their victims into bags.

[javahog]

Last night(s) shows were very disappointing. At this point everything is redundant, and it's just to keep people watching for the ratings. Greta did ask a few questions of Conway, which were relevant ~ why were the police at Anthony's house, what did it have to do with etc. The camerman should get his ass kicked. Instead of showing the humongous, beautiful memorial to Caylee, the sucker zoomed in on Greta ~ WTH cares about her talking face, show what this child meant to the people and locals in the area who put this memorial up! Asswipe!

Fair reporting? Was that a good interview she had with Baez? What kind of information did it give? Nothing. All for ratings. Pfffft.

I for one am very happy to hear Casey at least saw one NG show, and heard the callers (hopefully). Don't forget, this video was in Aug. and she came out for a while after this interview. Didn't seem to change anything, she just sat at home on the couch anyway ~ parent's opinion, public opinion, no one else's opinion means anything. I hope she heard Lazzaro talking about her, and Jesse! " After Caylee went missing, she acted no different" ~gotta love it, because by then she knew her daughter was 'taken' and showed her indifference about it..good for the Pros! Hmmm what can Lazzaro think about the fact that he sat there smooching and watching movies with her while Caylee was in the trunk?

I see you guys have been discussing George lying about seeing Caylee on the 16th. That doesn't make sense, as he talked about that day early in the case, and she WAS seen the day before ...She was with Cindy visiting Cindy's parents. He hasn't lied to LE, he's been straight up on every discussion with LE. It wouldn't make sense that he was lying about that. It was his last memory of Caylee, bouncing out the door. The last time he saw her................:(

As for the cameraman, Greta may have much to do with his choices since she's his boss. Pay to get that much work done, you want to get it shown.

As for the boyfriend, how creepy would that be? Knowing what was going on while you got your jollies would make your bits shrink up. I might never date again.

As for George, I think you are right.

[javahog]

Oh, didn't you know? She killed it! Uh huh!

Casey the Snake Wrassler! Yep ~ with her own 2 hands I tell ya! It was amazing, the things we do to protect our child! http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-037.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

LOL!

D**n snake! If only I was a moment quicker! I will use your lousy carcass to mark the precious grave spot! I will go clubbing in the hopes one of your young will wander under my feet on the dance floor! A pox on you!

[Justice Denied?]

Not sure why the heck this is titled "hero mom" but its obviously a mistake - maybe they meant "hero mom involved in plane crash rescue?" :shrug:

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

New Tape Surfaces; Hero Mom Murder

Aired January 16, 2009 - 19:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, bombshell jailhouse video released of Casey Anthony, frustrated, angry, and talking a bit too much behind bars to her parents. All caught on tape.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ijvm.01.html

I think the hero mom referred to here is the woman who died in an attempt to prevent her 4 year old son being sexually assaulted. Can't remember names or location but its been on the news quite a lot lately.

[Justice Denied?]

Again, it comes back to --if one's chld was snake bit, would not one get help IMMEDIATELY? Heck, even with a small child, there would be time for medical help before the bite could kill, if one calls for help THEN--and, we all know that Casey would not have the excuse of not being able to call, her dang cell phone was a permanent attachment to her hand and ear!!!!!

Well, Mr Lawyer, my precious little baby and I were in that wooded area, I wanted her to see and enjoy the places I went to as a child. And, all of a sudden, this big, bad, very poisonous snake bit my baby, and she died before my eyes. I couldn't remember the number to 911, and was paralyzed with fear and panic. When I realized my baby was dead, I was afraid I would be accused of something for not making the 911 call, so...........and then the nanny came and took her and gave me this script and I don't think Caylee was really dead and I tho't nanny (cuz she is a WONDERFUL person) would make Caylee okay and return her to me and........so, that's the truth, Mr Lawyer!!!! I didn't think anyone would believe me, so that's why I said she was kidnapped from Sawgrass, and then, that didn't go quite right, so I said Blanchard Park, but, really, really, this is really the truth of what happened!!!! :D

Now you're making fun of a deaf ole lady who didn't hear correctly.:no: Don't tell me that snakebite doesn't make more sense than the other stories Casey has come up with. LOL :D:biggrin::D

[lorettalockhorn]

Last night(s) shows were very disappointing. At this point everything is redundant, and it's just to keep people watching for the ratings. Greta did ask a few questions of Conway, which were relevant ~ why were the police at Anthony's house, what did it have to do with etc. The camerman should get his ass kicked. Instead of showing the humongous, beautiful memorial to Caylee, the sucker zoomed in on Greta ~ WTH cares about her talking face, show what this child meant to the people and locals in the area who put this memorial up! Asswipe!

Fair reporting? Was that a good interview she had with Baez? What kind of information did it give? Nothing. All for ratings. Pfffft.

I for one am very happy to hear Casey at least saw one NG show, and heard the callers (hopefully). Don't forget, this video was in Aug. and she came out for a while after this interview. Didn't seem to change anything, she just sat at home on the couch anyway ~ parent's opinion, public opinion, no one else's opinion means anything. I hope she heard Lazzaro talking about her, and Jesse! " After Caylee went missing, she acted no different" ~gotta love it, because by then she knew her daughter was 'taken' and showed her indifference about it..good for the Pros! Hmmm what can Lazzaro think about the fact that he sat there smooching and watching movies with her while Caylee was in the trunk?

I see you guys have been discussing George lying about seeing Caylee on the 16th. That doesn't make sense, as he talked about that day early in the case, and she WAS seen the day before ...She was with Cindy visiting Cindy's parents. He hasn't lied to LE, he's been straight up on every discussion with LE. It wouldn't make sense that he was lying about that. It was his last memory of Caylee, bouncing out the door. The last time he saw her................:(

Make that Greta's crooked face. Ouch! Can't bear to look.

I'm the one who's guilty of thinking that George could be lying about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, and it's mainly because it makes no sense to me that Casey left the house (minimally in a huff, but maximally in a foul murderous mood after the choking incident), and then showed back up on Hopespring. When? After Cindy went to work? What for? She couldn't have crammed much into the backpacks. And what set her off while she was there with George that caused her to very soon after he went to work murder Caylee?

One of the things that was touched on last night on either JVM or NG was the confusion over the dates. It is interesting to me that the Ants kept insisting that the crucial date for the onset of this whole business was 6/09. Looks to me that all of them would hang the time frame on Father's Day; easy enough to remember, especially with that adorable video of Caylee reading her book. Makes me wonder if something did happen around the 9th. Anyway, I do think that George would lie for Casey, or would have at the time.

[Justice Denied?]

Last night(s) shows were very disappointing. At this point everything is redundant, and it's just to keep people watching for the ratings. Greta did ask a few questions of Conway, which were relevant ~ why were the police at Anthony's house, what did it have to do with etc. The camerman should get his ass kicked. Instead of showing the humongous, beautiful memorial to Caylee, the sucker zoomed in on Greta ~ WTH cares about her talking face, show what this child meant to the people and locals in the area who put this memorial up! Asswipe!

Fair reporting? Was that a good interview she had with Baez? What kind of information did it give? Nothing. All for ratings. Pfffft.

I for one am very happy to hear Casey at least saw one NG show, and heard the callers (hopefully). Don't forget, this video was in Aug. and she came out for a while after this interview. Didn't seem to change anything, she just sat at home on the couch anyway ~ parent's opinion, public opinion, no one else's opinion means anything. I hope she heard Lazzaro talking about her, and Jesse! " After Caylee went missing, she acted no different" ~gotta love it, because by then she knew her daughter was 'taken' and showed her indifference about it..good for the Pros! Hmmm what can Lazzaro think about the fact that he sat there smooching and watching movies with her while Caylee was in the trunk?

I see you guys have been discussing George lying about seeing Caylee on the 16th. That doesn't make sense, as he talked about that day early in the case, and she WAS seen the day before ...She was with Cindy visiting Cindy's parents. He hasn't lied to LE, he's been straight up on every discussion with LE. It wouldn't make sense that he was lying about that. It was his last memory of Caylee, bouncing out the door. The last time he saw her................:(

Do we know for certain that Casey left the house with Caylee the night of the 15th? Where did that info come from? Where did they spend the night? What time did they get home?

Cindy said she heard them sleeping the next morning, but I am unsure what sounds that would be unless someone was snoring. I remember in his interview with LE, George said he was "dead certain" he saw them leave on the 16th.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't remember whether or not these items were on sale on the website before Caylee was found. I do think they were ON the website, just not for sale? I do remember that someone from one of the boards did go to one of the open house like things the A's had and the items were for free. There was a request for donations, just not a sale price on any of the t-shirts, buttons, etc. So, it could be that they were only placed ON SALE after Caylee was found? I was thinking they were thinking that there are people who want a "memento" of Caylee, and the A's, KFN, Bart, whomever figured people would be willing to PAY for them now?

Yes, those items were for sale while Caylee was missing; my question is, were they removed from the site after Caylee's remains were found and she was identified and subsequently added back due to overwhelming demand? I've seldom visited the site, so I don't recall that they ever weren't for sale.

When there is an award for a specific thing (finding Caylee) the person who EARNS that reward is paid. Especially in cases like this, the person has to wait til ....well, FOREVER for the trial even commence before getting the reward? Or, after waiting eons for the trial, to have to wait thru what might be MONTHS of a trial? No, the reward was for the discovery. It should not be tied to who is going to testify, who will be called to testify, etc. There are plenty of people who feel that Kronk earned the reward, but because he was on company time, so to speak, the company says he cannot qualify for the reward (which doesn't make sense to me, but it's their rules.) NeJames seems to be in a position where he can afford to right the wrong that many see. I don't know why anyone on a jury would begrudge him for that.

Yes, Kronk didn't qualify for any rewards for a couple of different reasons, and then LP announced that he would try to find a way to reward him, and also NeJames came up with his solution. Wherever you fall on the subject, the jury instructions exist according to Florida statutes, and there must be some reason for that. And surely NeJame knows that.

Beyond all the BS and despite Kronk's big fmouth and changing stories, and what looks like bad advice from his attorney, I'm grateful for his efforts and success. As is probably everyone except Casey.

[TheSkwerl]

Been lurking around for the better part of a couple of weeks and I feel bad that I haven't posted, so here goes.....
I think that in Casey's mind, she had a great life going with all the attention she was receiving in terms of family, friends and boyfriends, up to and including the time she was pregnant and had Caylee, and even after Caylee's birth. At some point in time after Caylee was born, it all had dawned on Casey exactly what a responsibility Caylee was going to be and she looked at this as a burden. I'm sure it was mentioned to Casey by her parents that she was going to have to curb some of her "activities" and be a responsible person, and Casey wasn't having that. I believe that she mentally blamed Caylee for "ruining her life" and that she was planning this for a while, putting on a "happy face" for the outside world. To Casey, Caylee was in the way and looked at as competition, and the competition had to be eliminated. Like the stories you read about spouses killing the other one because of some spat and they claim that divorce wasn't an option, in this case adoption wasn't an option.
Casey then realized what she had done and panicked and made up a huge story with many scapegoats, only to find out that people don't like being blamed for something they didn't do.
Believe me, I am in no way defending Casey or giving her the benefit of the doubt, I think that she deserves what's coming to her tenfold. It is unacceptable and unforgivable to put any harm to an innocent child.
I've become very disappointed in Greta's and Geraldo's coverage of this story and have vowed never to watch their shows again. I don't think that they have the information they say they have and try to make a show anyway.
I also believe that Baez is having a tryst with Casey, that's why he's retaining backup council.
Sorry this is so long, I have a lot of time to think (being out of work and all), and today is my armchair psychologist day.:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

That is interesting. I remember when he says that D Casey doesn't need a lawyer, and he knows this how? Because HE is a lawyer!!! Then, in an interview not long after that, I would swear he talked about his clients, the A's AND D Casey. I'm sure I'm not the only one who read/heard this, cuz there was discussion about what would have to be a conflict of interest there. My guess would be that, by now, even Mr Conway and/or his clients realized that D Casey would need counsel other than him.

And, I wonder HOW they get their attorneys? Not all believe that Casey found Baez from talk with other inmates. I think NeJames offered his services (not free, but approached them) because he saw the need for them to shut up and tho't he could get them to that point. How did they come up w/Conway, and how did Lee come up w/Luka? Did they go to the yellow pages? Or call the bar association for names of criminal defense attorneys? Or did these guys approach them? "Enquiring" minds want to know!!!!! @ least this enquiring mind does. I guess tho, as one of my mentors would say--this affects your life how? This affects this case how? In the big picture, does this matter?

How could Conway not think that D Casey would need an attorney? I've lost faith in him. You know, for some reason I get the impression that most of the attorneys involved in this case either volunteered services for little or nothing (so that they wouldn't look like complete and total ambulance chasers), but it's possible that they were referred. I cannot imagine schlepping through the Yellow Book looking for a cheap mouthpiece in a case of this magnitude.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think we've seen the unedited version of that tape.

Good thought. It hadn't even occurred to me that the tape is edited.

[lorettalockhorn]

My least favorite thing to do is LAUNDRY!!! Give me dishes, dusting, anything but please NO Laundry!! I beg them! I work from home and have some literary work to do and have been putting it off for weeks. I decided to do it today but look where I am! I gotta go do it. This morning I got on facebook and wasted too much time there, then I come here. Go do your laundry because if you're on here, I can't leave.. Go! GO!
:biggrin:

I'll do your laundry (might take me a while to put it away) if you'll do my fdusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow, sounds like my aunt who I've never met. She found new stomping grounds, got married, and abandoned the family. That was like 35 years ago, no one has seen her since.

Thanks for the answer. Its really fascinating. Watching Casey on that tape was like seeing a 12 year old lose their temper, sure they are behaving in a far more mature manner than any one else, but everyone else can see the problem. It was almost like a form of developmental arrest...

So glad you said that! Don't know exactly how to explain how she strikes me, but I guess socially retarded fits.

[lorettalockhorn]

Been lurking around for the better part of a couple of weeks and I feel bad that I haven't posted, so here goes.....
I think that in Casey's mind, she had a great life going with all the attention she was receiving in terms of family, friends and boyfriends, up to and including the time she was pregnant and had Caylee, and even after Caylee's birth. At some point in time after Caylee was born, it all had dawned on Casey exactly what a responsibility Caylee was going to be and she looked at this as a burden. I'm sure it was mentioned to Casey by her parents that she was going to have to curb some of her "activities" and be a responsible person, and Casey wasn't having that. I believe that she mentally blamed Caylee for "ruining her life" and that she was planning this for a while, putting on a "happy face" for the outside world. To Casey, Caylee was in the way and looked at as competition, and the competition had to be eliminated. Like the stories you read about spouses killing the other one because of some spat and they claim that divorce wasn't an option, in this case adoption wasn't an option.
Casey then realized what she had done and panicked and made up a huge story with many scapegoats, only to find out that people don't like being blamed for something they didn't do.
Believe me, I am in no way defending Casey or giving her the benefit of the doubt, I think that she deserves what's coming to her tenfold. It is unacceptable and unforgivable to put any harm to an innocent child.
I've become very disappointed in Greta's and Geraldo's coverage of this story and have vowed never to watch their shows again. I don't think that they have the information they say they have and try to make a show anyway.
I also believe that Baez is having a tryst with Casey, that's why he's retaining backup council.
Sorry this is so long, I have a lot of time to think (being out of work and all), and today is my armchair psychologist day.:seeya:

Great post. I do think there was premeditation here though, mostly due to the fact that Casey had searched ZG and knew details about her children's names, close description of the car, etc.

Disappointed in Greta and Geraldo too. People BS Greta and she just lets it slide; at least NG doesn't do that. Problem there is that she doesn't let anyone get a word in edgewise. Geraldo. What can I say? What happened????? Early on in the Jon Benet Ramsey case, he was such a champion for her; wish he could find it in his heart to do the same for Caylee. Remember her, Geraldo? The victim here? He really made a fool of himself last night. Didn't see his whole segment on BOR, but listened to it several times to make a transcription, and he was just full O'Chit. LMAO that Baez insisted that the tape be released.

[One2Snoop]

I think the hero mom referred to here is the woman who died in an attempt to prevent her 4 year old son being sexually assaulted. Can't remember names or location but its been on the news quite a lot lately.

OK thanks - I hadn't heard about that case. Once Greta finished with the Caylee part I stopped watching.

[One2Snoop]

January 16, 2009

Defending Casey's Defenders
Attorney for Caylee's Grandparents goes one-on-one with Greta

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3452533&referralPlaylistId=playlist

[deputydi]

Last night(s) shows were very disappointing. At this point everything is redundant, and it's just to keep people watching for the ratings. Greta did ask a few questions of Conway, which were relevant ~ why were the police at Anthony's house, what did it have to do with etc. The camerman should get his ass kicked. Instead of showing the humongous, beautiful memorial to Caylee, the sucker zoomed in on Greta ~ WTH cares about her talking face, show what this child meant to the people and locals in the area who put this memorial up! Asswipe!

Fair reporting? Was that a good interview she had with Baez? What kind of information did it give? Nothing. All for ratings. Pfffft.

I for one am very happy to hear Casey at least saw one NG show, and heard the callers (hopefully). Don't forget, this video was in Aug. and she came out for a while after this interview. Didn't seem to change anything, she just sat at home on the couch anyway ~ parent's opinion, public opinion, no one else's opinion means anything. I hope she heard Lazzaro talking about her, and Jesse! " After Caylee went missing, she acted no different" ~gotta love it, because by then she knew her daughter was 'taken' and showed her indifference about it..good for the Pros! Hmmm what can Lazzaro think about the fact that he sat there smooching and watching movies with her while Caylee was in the trunk?

I see you guys have been discussing George lying about seeing Caylee on the 16th. That doesn't make sense, as he talked about that day early in the case, and she WAS seen the day before ...She was with Cindy visiting Cindy's parents. He hasn't lied to LE, he's been straight up on every discussion with LE. It wouldn't make sense that he was lying about that. It was his last memory of Caylee, bouncing out the door. The last time he saw her................:(

I don't think George was lying about that either. In fact, other than Casey, I think he was the last one to see Caylee alive. That is the day I believe she died.

As for Casey seeing one NG show -- I think the audio of all Nancy's shows should be piped into her jail cell 24/7.

[Amy]

My least favorite thing to do is LAUNDRY!!! Give me dishes, dusting, anything but please NO Laundry!! I beg them! I work from home and have some literary work to do and have been putting it off for weeks. I decided to do it today but look where I am! I gotta go do it. This morning I got on facebook and wasted too much time there, then I come here. Go do your laundry because if you're on here, I can't leave.. Go! GO!
:biggrin:

Hope you got some work done---I fell asleep!!! But, if others were around, I am sure they provided you an excuse to stay here!!! lol

[Amy]

How could Conway not think that D Casey would need an attorney? I've lost faith in him. You know, for some reason I get the impression that most of the attorneys involved in this case either volunteered services for little or nothing (so that they wouldn't look like complete and total ambulance chasers), but it's possible that they were referred. I cannot imagine schlepping through the Yellow Book looking for a cheap mouthpiece in a case of this magnitude.

IMO, Mr Conway seemed an intelligent sort up to the point of that comment. Now, Mr Conway, even the least legal minded of uall of us can see that Mr D Casey would be in need of an attorney. Heck, ANYONE even remotely related to the case, or to the A's would best be benefited by seeking the services of an attorney!!!! Just so, when the axe falls, one would not have to scurry for one @ late notice.

It's not illegal to "search" for a missing person. But Mr D Casey's search seemed to be on the shady side, and even if he did not find anything in HIS search, he certainly had the potential to tamper w/the crime scene, especially since he was there, not as a random search, but based on "clues" found in interviews, or (more likely, IMO) from information from someone who likely knew where the body was. Even Mr Kronk, who did NOT tamper w/the scene, but just reported the discovery has an attorney, and HE didn't do anything wrong.

[cece5300]

Great post. I do think there was premeditation here though, mostly due to the fact that Casey had searched ZG and knew details about her children's names, close description of the car, etc.

OK, I could have SWORN that in one of the jailhouse tapes, Casey said that Zenaida had NO children. I know I heard that somewhere. I just don't remember where. First she says Zani has kids, then she says Zani doesn't have kids.

Are the lawyers or anyone just not paying attention to detail or what? I don't know.

[Gatordog]

I consider myself average intelligence; smart enough to get on a jury, and I'm telling you that if I was on a jury and even if Bozo was the defense attorney, I would wonder why Kronk's statements keep changing, and why NeJame (who has clearly jumped sides) paid him before the case even hits the courthouse. And even if Baez can't think fast enough on his feet to use Kronk's own flipflopping to discredit him, you know someone like LKB will. No, Kronk can't be tied to the crime that we know of, but I do wonder if he can be tied to the Anthonys. (UGH)

Oh gosh, I can barely take Geraldo by himself. No way could I handle him AND Bill O! Tell your cousin thanks for the synopsis. :beer:

Agree that if Casey agreed to see the rents, it's her own stupid fault if she said anything incriminating. And there have been comments by either Casey, George, or Cindy about being recorded before, so I'm sure they know. It's stated plainly on the OCSO website that visits are videotaped, and I would be very surprised if there isn't some sort of reminded posted in plain view in or near the visitation room.

You lost me on this one - how has Kronk flipflopped? This is the first statement that he's made other than coming out in public to give his name. Everything else has pretty much been speculation on tv shows.

Gator

[Gatordog]

So the defense wants to go before the jury and say Caylee died of natural causes. Oh okay, yeah because that is what mothers do when their children die of natural cases, they make up a story and throw them in the trunk and dispose of the body. No, they call 911 unless of course they have some culpability. What the hell was she talking about they are looking for body parts of Caylee inside a snake? I think she might not have the right info! Bring Perper back!

I think she was talking about the dead rattlesnake that was near the bag that Kronk called the police to check. If the snake had been feeding on the remains and died from poisoning and they can link it to Caylee's DNA perhaps the can determine cause of death.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

IMO, Mr Conway seemed an intelligent sort up to the point of that comment. Now, Mr Conway, even the least legal minded of uall of us can see that Mr D Casey would be in need of an attorney. Heck, ANYONE even remotely related to the case, or to the A's would best be benefited by seeking the services of an attorney!!!! Just so, when the axe falls, one would not have to scurry for one @ late notice.

It's not illegal to "search" for a missing person. But Mr D Casey's search seemed to be on the shady side, and even if he did not find anything in HIS search, he certainly had the potential to tamper w/the crime scene, especially since he was there, not as a random search, but based on "clues" found in interviews, or (more likely, IMO) from information from someone who likely knew where the body was. Even Mr Kronk, who did NOT tamper w/the scene, but just reported the discovery has an attorney, and HE didn't do anything wrong.

Can't help but go back to something that Bill Schaeffer (I think) made me think about. IF D Casey's mad dog type search was some sort of red herring, and done for the defense's benefit (to target the Gonzalez/Gonzales name for the umpty umpteenth time), it would seem that the D Casey-the Ants' employee must have been pretty darned sure that Caylee wasn't where he was searching. Which makes me think that maybe they did know where Caylee was.

Anyway, Conway iterated to Greta last night that he is G&C's and only G&C's attorney last night. So maybe D Casey doesn't need an attorney so much that Conway fired himself.

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL!!! We're all screwed up, ya know that don't cha? I feel like I'm in a camp with a bunch of Post tramatics. Our hearts wear crutches. Poor us! See why Casey Anthony makes us so mad?

Sending love and good thoughts...

They sure do! http://i38.tinypic.com/15pphl3.jpg

Ahh you don't mean that! DO YOU???? Gimmi the wand and the can of End Dust! I'm on!
Er, how many rooms? Do you have a lot of nic nacs? Ahhh, how many floors?
Hey, I'm old!

LOL!!:tongue:

Lots of dust catchers! Most of them are Leroy's. I like things that are easy to dust like books. Only three bedrooms, just a loft; not a full second story. But I cannot handle going up the spiral staircase because it doesn't have risers and I get the heebie jeebies. 28 foot vaulted ceiling in the LR; so glad that my eyesight is too poor to see what's up there!!!!!!!!

[Gatordog]

Greta may want to actually read up on the case . I just found about four articles that mention that some of the bones were scatted and some were found clear at the end of the perimeter of that one acre. So where did she get this idea that the whole skelton was in that bag? I give up on her, she is so misinformed.

I was very confused by her line of thought on that too. The bones were scattered over a half acre according to the ME's statement. Where the heck did she get info the almost the whole skeleton was in the trash bag? I think that Fox is holding hands with Jose and skewing the facts ito make the defense look better.

Also Michael Baden said that if the body was inside of a plastic bag and it was sealed well, it would not attract animals. Obviously he must have lived in the city all his life. Raccoons, possums, cats, rats and dogs can smell right through the bag and will tear it right open to get at what it wants. I've even had trash cans knocked over and the bags pulled out by possums.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

You lost me on this one - how has Kronk flipflopped? This is the first statement that he's made other than coming out in public to give his name. Everything else has pretty much been speculation on tv shows.

Gator

By flipflopping, I mean that first he was just going tinkie winkie. Then he was actually searching for Caylee because his bounty hunter/spidey senses kicked into gear. The latest is that back in August he actually saw Caylee's skull. (Which miracled itself back into the bag.)

[javahog]

I was very confused by her line of thought on that too. The bones were scattered over a half acre according to the ME's statement. Where the heck did she get info the almost the whole skeleton was in the trash bag? I think that Fox is holding hands with Jose and skewing the facts ito make the defense look better.

Also Michael Baden said that if the body was inside of a plastic bag and it was sealed well, it would not attract animals. Obviously he must have lived in the city all his life. Raccoons, possums, cats, rats and dogs can smell right through the bag and will tear it right open to get at what it wants. I've even had trash cans knocked over and the bags pulled out by possums.

Gator

ita about Baden-is there a place sans raccoons?! and...I truly hate possums

As for the skeleton, if say an animal had pulled out a hand, then those many bones could theoretically be scattered over a half acre, yet most of the skeleton would still be in the bag...

[Gatordog]

Maybe she threatened to hurt herself. Also didn't Conway say something about how some people had been so mean to the Anthonys? Maybe they got a threatening phone call or email or something along those lines. Maybe that Lois woman threatened to kick her ass or something.

A couple of weeks ago, I'd have put my money on Cindy but she must be so weak and sedated at this point that a kitten could knock her over.

Gator

[javahog]

By flipflopping, I mean that first he was just going tinkie winkie. Then he was actually searching for Caylee because his bounty hunter/spidey senses kicked into gear. The latest is that back in August he actually saw Caylee's skull. (Which miracled itself back into the bag.)

I would claim skill any day over going wee-wee. You'd think it was a violation of work policy to do that. I've got my eye on my meter reader now. Maybe that brown spot on the lawn isn't from the Bichon Frise up the street.

[lorettalockhorn]

I would claim skill any day over going wee-wee. You'd think it was a violation of work policy to do that. I've got my eye on my meter reader now. Maybe that brown spot on the lawn isn't from the Bichon Frise up the street.

LMAO I'm pretty much on the record as being appalled at his trespissing. And I have reported meter readers and housepainters and all sorts of people for whizzing in public. I cannot imagine what possessed Kronk to tell that story in the beginning.

[deputydi]

P.S. Not to say the Liar did not make both claims. She's been known to make outlandish statements :D As i said there are some really good brains here with far better recall than i.:hat:
I think some of the confusion comes in because the two women that helped Zani "knock Casey to the ground and ran off with Caylee" coincidentally had the same names as the real Zenaida's two children.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by TheSkwerl http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9154532#post9154532)
Been lurking around for the better part of a couple of weeks and I feel bad that I haven't posted, so here goes.....
I think that in Casey's mind, she had a great life going with all the attention she was receiving in terms of family, friends and boyfriends, up to and including the time she was pregnant and had Caylee, and even after Caylee's birth. At some point in time after Caylee was born, it all had dawned on Casey exactly what a responsibility Caylee was going to be and she looked at this as a burden. I'm sure it was mentioned to Casey by her parents that she was going to have to curb some of her "activities" and be a responsible person, and Casey wasn't having that. I believe that she mentally blamed Caylee for "ruining her life" and that she was planning this for a while, putting on a "happy face" for the outside world. To Casey, Caylee was in the way and looked at as competition, and the competition had to be eliminated. Like the stories you read about spouses killing the other one because of some spat and they claim that divorce wasn't an option, in this case adoption wasn't an option.
Casey then realized what she had done and panicked and made up a huge story with many scapegoats, only to find out that people don't like being blamed for something they didn't do.
Believe me, I am in no way defending Casey or giving her the benefit of the doubt, I think that she deserves what's coming to her tenfold. It is unacceptable and unforgivable to put any harm to an innocent child.
I've become very disappointed in Greta's and Geraldo's coverage of this story and have vowed never to watch their shows again. I don't think that they have the information they say they have and try to make a show anyway.
I also believe that Baez is having a tryst with Casey, that's why he's retaining backup council.
Sorry this is so long, I have a lot of time to think (being out of work and all), and today is my armchair psychologist day.:seeya:
Yep. :beer:
:seeya:Welcome Skwerl, awesome forst post BTW! Has everyone seen the new Scared Monkeys blog? It shows that Annie got a traffic ticket in May on the same day as a Zenaida Gonzales and it seems that the ZG could not produce id. Ahe made payment on the ticket and went to the courthouse to pay some on the same day Casey went to the bank just down the road and withdrew $250 from Amy's account. It is a must see article.

[Gatordog]

...no more parent visits. The prosecutor and the cops manipulated George Anthony into getting that meeting with his daughter specifically (BOR interrupts) the lawyer will allege(?) .... to get this tape, to get this damning tape (interruption) they are playing, they are trying everything they can to alter the playing field, remember they didn't let their forensic experts for the defense witness the exhumation of the body, they are going to screw this case up with their zeal to convict this (interruption) The prosecution and the Orange County sheriff specifically, I think it's outrageous that we are seeing that tape when this woman had an attorney and the attorney said she's not speaking to the authorities, they went in the back door and they saw this testimony which I think puts their whole case in peril.

Old Billo can go pound salt. There was a three year old little girl missing. Does he really think the grandparents were working for the police to get evidence against their daughter? How about they were just trying to find their granddaughter who might have been given away? If the defense brings up these absurd statements, they will be doing the prosecutions job for them.

Gator

[Gatordog]

So they are back in their home? I have been playing scan catch up lately.

Yes, they went back sometime around December 14.

[Gatordog]

What ever puts this case in peril is going to put Jose in peril. If she gets off on a shoddy blip there will be a mob mentality across the nation. She will commit another crime and the justice system will be held responsible. No judge will give it up. IMO This case can't make a deal. She admits her guilt every time she opens her stupid mouth. She's painted herself into a corner. If she shoots her foot one more time, she's going to be toe-less.

They still have all those fraud charges to prosecute her for and those could total 37 years. The charges are still there put the murder is being tried first.

Gator

[sharlock]

Zenaida Gonzalez & Annie Leigh Downing’s Excellent Adventure: Zannie and Annie Go to Traffic Court (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%e2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/)

When asked the question, do you’re Clients still believe a Zenaida Gonzalez is responsible for what happened to Caylee? Brad Conway, attorney representing George and Cindy Anthony responds:
“They do, but not the Zenaida represented by Mr. Morgan…”

If your like me, you are as bewildered as one can get at the insistence of “Camp Casey” to continue to suggest that a person with this name is involved in the abduction and murder of 34 month old Caylee Anthony. Perhaps Attorney Baez and his Cum Laude Clan are preparing their Columbo moment in this regard while fighting over who gets to be Colonel Mustard in the study .
Although listed as a witness for the Prosecution released by the State’s Attorney’s office on January 11, 2008, Annie Leigh Downing’s (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3334.0)Interview with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office has never been made public. Her cell phone records and any IM or text messages between her and Casey Anthony have also never been made public although other witnesses have.
Failure To Yield
That may be the gross understatement of the year describing Casey Anthony. But in this scenario, it is actually a traffic citation, one of two, given to a Zenaida Gonzalez, on May 24, 2008.
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Click to enlarge
No, again, this is not the Zenaida represented by Mr. Morgan, this is a different Zannie, with a birth date of January 11, 1986. Wow. Just a mere 3 months older than Casey. Did they go to school together? Have mutual friends? Fellow Fusionite?
Nope, Not the Best Driving Record
Annie Downing had a rough couple months this Spring in the traffic area. On March 30, 2008, she received citations for both Speeding 15-19 mph over the speed limit, and for not producing her driver’s license and insurance card. While the presentation of those documents on April 18 cleared that part of the citation, the speeding ticket remained open on her record until 2 online requested and subsequently granted extensions later on July 1, 2008. Why do we care?

Co ink y Dink or Other
There are only 3 plausible scenarios where a material witness in a homicide case whose statement has been withheld, and a woman with the name at the center of the linchpin of Casey Anthony’s defense get traffic citations on the same day. Throw in the tidbit that Casey met Tony Lazzarro for the first time at a party that same evening, and you have what appears to be in retrospect, the beginning of the omen for Caylee. To be able to best portray the relevance of the above ZG incident as compared to known relevant dates in this case, I offer the following three theories with accompanying timeline.
Theory 1: Casey is using Zenaida as an alias
Read more (http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/zpic1.jpg)

[URL]http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/caylee-anthony/

[sharlock]

LMAO I'm pretty much on the record as being appalled at his trespissing. And I have reported meter readers and housepainters and all sorts of people for whizzing in public. I cannot imagine what possessed Kronk to tell that story in the beginning.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w195/kookybooboo/Emoticons/PissingMonkeySmiley.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/jenn_myers/laughing.gif
Oh, thankyou I needed that!

[Gatordog]

:shrug::shrug: This can't be good. Wonder WHAT is coming Monday?

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2095

I think this was from a couple of months back.

[lorettalockhorn]

Didn't know about ZG's driver's license! I also read somewhere that another Zenaida Gonzalez at UCF (University of Central Florida?) had an office that was broken into and a computer stolen. But haven't found a news item about it yet.

Old post, but I didnt realize until today that this particular Zenaida Gonzalez works at UCF where the young woman Nicole Ganguzza, who was raped and murdered in JBP, was getting her master's degree in counseling. There are lots of posts all over the internet trying to link NG's murder with Casey, and trying to link NG's work with the fact that Cindy had engaged a counselor. I've read that chloroform may or may not have been used in abducting Mrs. Ganguzza. Apparently the beaded cross in the tree that was photographed during the Caylee searches was a memorial to her.

[sharlock]

Yes, they went back sometime around December 14.
I wonder if Lee moved in with them from that time as well? Gator your dog is soooo beautiful and looks a fair bit like my beautiful girl. They have such lovely natures don't they.

[Gatordog]

Maybe they are looking for the newly discovered Toddler Suicide Gene.

But what jumped out at me was the congenital defect search. WTH would a congenital defect matter. Covering up the body seems a clear admission of guilt. It made me go, what ARE they looking at paternity?! Or is Casey admitting body dumping, but says Caylee dropped dead mysteriously? Good luck!

It's hard to imagine what more they could learn from the bones by now. Take samples and let her grandparents bury her already, Baez!

If the defense is checking Caylee's DNA for some sort of genetic disorder and the find something questionable, will they have to find the father?

Gator

[Gatordog]

As for the cameraman, Greta may have much to do with his choices since she's his boss. Pay to get that much work done, you want to get it shown.

As for the boyfriend, how creepy would that be? Knowing what was going on while you got your jollies would make your bits shrink up. I might never date again.

As for George, I think you are right.

Seems to me greta and her cameraman were tresspassing. I did not go beyond the county property line.

[javahog]

Zenaida Gonzalez & Annie Leigh Downing’s Excellent Adventure: Zannie and Annie Go to Traffic Court (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/16/zenaida-gonzalez-annie-leigh-downing%e2%80%99s-excellent-adventure-zannie-and-annie-go-to-traffic-court/)

When asked the question, do you’re Clients still believe a Zenaida Gonzalez is responsible for what happened to Caylee? Brad Conway, attorney representing George and Cindy Anthony responds:
“They do, but not the Zenaida represented by Mr. Morgan…”

If your like me, you are as bewildered as one can get at the insistence of “Camp Casey” to continue to suggest that a person with this name is involved in the abduction and murder of 34 month old Caylee Anthony. Perhaps Attorney Baez and his Cum Laude Clan are preparing their Columbo moment in this regard while fighting over who gets to be Colonel Mustard in the study .
Although listed as a witness for the Prosecution released by the State’s Attorney’s office on January 11, 2008, Annie Leigh Downing’s (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3334.0)Interview with the Orange County Sheriff’s Office has never been made public. Her cell phone records and any IM or text messages between her and Casey Anthony have also never been made public although other witnesses have.
Failure To Yield
That may be the gross understatement of the year describing Casey Anthony. But in this scenario, it is actually a traffic citation, one of two, given to a Zenaida Gonzalez, on May 24, 2008.
[/URL]
Click to enlarge
No, again, this is not the Zenaida represented by Mr. Morgan, this is a different Zannie, with a birth date of January 11, 1986. Wow. Just a mere 3 months older than Casey. Did they go to school together? Have mutual friends? Fellow Fusionite?
Nope, Not the Best Driving Record
Annie Downing had a rough couple months this Spring in the traffic area. On March 30, 2008, she received citations for both Speeding 15-19 mph over the speed limit, and for not producing her driver’s license and insurance card. While the presentation of those documents on April 18 cleared that part of the citation, the speeding ticket remained open on her record until 2 online requested and subsequently granted extensions later on July 1, 2008. Why do we care?

Co ink y Dink or Other
There are only 3 plausible scenarios where a material witness in a homicide case whose statement has been withheld, and a woman with the name at the center of the linchpin of Casey Anthony’s defense get traffic citations on the same day. Throw in the tidbit that Casey met Tony Lazzarro for the first time at a party that same evening, and you have what appears to be in retrospect, the beginning of the omen for Caylee. To be able to best portray the relevance of the above ZG incident as compared to known relevant dates in this case, I offer the following three theories with accompanying timeline.
Theory 1: Casey is using Zenaida as an alias
Read more (http://scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/zpic1.jpg)

[URL]http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/caylee-anthony/

Woof! This would explain a lot. The Zenaida stalking felt like an identity theft, but there were big blanks. Maybe this fills them in...

Hmmn, a Zenaida is involved, but not the one represented by Mr. Morgan? If Casey was using that alias, he's saying she done the deed?

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w195/kookybooboo/Emoticons/PissingMonkeySmiley.gifhttp://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c188/jenn_myers/laughing.gif
Oh, thankyou I needed that!

HAHAHA Love the monkey!

Great link above too. :seeya:

[javahog]

If the defense is checking Caylee's DNA for some sort of genetic disorder and the find something questionable, will they have to find the father?

Gator

Recessive genetic disorders are dependent on both parents having the gene, like with Tay-Sachs and sickle cell anemia, so if they found a recessive disorder in Caylee, they would not have to find the father. However, consanguinity increases the chances of manifestation of a recessive...for the record, I do not think that is the case here. This situation could not handle one more nutty thing.

[javahog]

I read your post and started LMAO..dear hb lookes at me like I'm nuts....Last summer we spent mucho dinero to have a curved flagstone walkway up to the house, big flagstone landing & steps with pillars and abeautiful overhang. Had to save to have this sucker done. So I'm marveling to my hb about how hard these guys are working, just stopping for lunch, and never asking to use the bathroom to pee. WTH? what do they do, hold it in??! (I did give them drinks & treats during the day)..

My husband starts laughing and says "oh they go...outside." Huh? Turns out my hb came home from work early, while they ran to get lunch He was sitting in his car at the bottom of the driveway, unbeknownst to them, admiring his well spent $, and sees one of the guys look all around. He proceeds to go by my flowers and pee in the corner!!!

SOB ! I was wondering why my hostas and flowers were dying in the middle of summer!

http://i42.tinypic.com/166h5y.jpg

ewww, I could never garden again!

[lorettalockhorn]

Woof! This would explain a lot. The Zenaida stalking felt like an identity theft, but there were big blanks. Maybe this fills them in...

Hmmn, a Zenaida is involved, but not the one represented by Mr. Morgan? If Casey was using that alias, he's saying she done the deed?

Omigosh Casey will go with the One Life To Life Defense. Her Dissociative Identity did it. Like Jess/Tess/Bess (let's call her Cess; short for cesspool), she is not responsible for what her alter Zanny did, and will spend six months in St. Ann's only to be discharged and develop another personality. :hat:

Seriously though, it's interesting that so many of the experts on the Dream Team are forensics experts. That should tell us that the defense plans to challenge the scientific evidence in the case. As far as Camp Casey insisting that ZG is the culprit doesn't make much sense, considering that we now know that D Casey is a buffoon, and I would be surprised if he has anything in his file to show that he conducted much of an investigation. And I guess if Baez has some sort of shrink type on board, he's keeping it on the QT.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh! Ya wanna kill me! (Sounds lovely though)

:)

Absolutely not! Dust is very low on my list of priorities. I'd rather be working outside, keeping my hosta bed from being used as a pissoier, like old soul's pic shows. :hat:

[sharlock]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7504472&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Here’s the letter TO Jose FROM OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 19, 2008

Jose Baez, Esquire
522 Simpson Road
Kissimmee, FL 34744

Dear Mr. Baez:

In your correspondence to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office you have stated your willingness to fully cooperate with law enforcement regarding the investigation of Caylee Anthony’s disappearance within the confines of your ethical obligation to your client, Casey Anthony.

In response to your offer to fully cooperate, I am requesting that you provide the circumstances and location Caylee Anthony was last seen. As you are aware, the previous statements provided by your client have been false and misleading.

The law enforcement personnel involved in the search for Caylee Anthony acknowledge your ethical obligation to you client. We hope that it is your client’s genuine desire to help find her daughter and to uncover the truth. We are also hopeful that you are able to provide the circumstances and location that Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, and that you understand the information we are requesting is crucial to the search for Caylee Anthony. If you are willing to assist in this matter, please contact me at your earliest opportunity.

Sincerely,

Kevin Beary
Sheriff of Orange County

Sergeant John Allen
Criminal Investigations Division
Missing Persons Squad
(407) 254-7222

Here’s the response FROM Jose TO OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 22, 2008
via facsimile

Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Attn: Sgt. John Allen
2500 West Colonial Drive
Orlando, FL 32408

Re: State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony

Dear Sgt. Allen:

I was pleased to see that your office has decided to take me up on our offer to cooperate in the search for Caylee Marie Anthony. Albeit two months later, it is better late than never, I suppose.

I was, however, displeased by the fact that I had to hear about your fax from the media before I even got the chance to read it. Nonetheless, I will convey your message to my client and discuss it with her further.

Please give me a call when you are more interested in searching for Caylee, as opposed to trying to improve your office’s public relations image. I realize that your office is under a lot of pressure because you haven’t found Caylee, but you should conduct your efforts in a more productive manner as opposed to leaking your communications with me to the media.

Sincerely,

Jose A. Baez, Esq.
http://citizenkim.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/jose-baez-caseys-defense-writes-juvenile-letter-to-oc-sherrifs-office/

[lighthousedazy]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7504472&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Here’s the letter TO Jose FROM OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 19, 2008

Jose Baez, Esquire
522 Simpson Road
Kissimmee, FL 34744

Dear Mr. Baez:

In your correspondence to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office you have stated your willingness to fully cooperate with law enforcement regarding the investigation of Caylee Anthony’s disappearance within the confines of your ethical obligation to your client, Casey Anthony.

In response to your offer to fully cooperate, I am requesting that you provide the circumstances and location Caylee Anthony was last seen. As you are aware, the previous statements provided by your client have been false and misleading.

The law enforcement personnel involved in the search for Caylee Anthony acknowledge your ethical obligation to you client. We hope that it is your client’s genuine desire to help find her daughter and to uncover the truth. We are also hopeful that you are able to provide the circumstances and location that Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, and that you understand the information we are requesting is crucial to the search for Caylee Anthony. If you are willing to assist in this matter, please contact me at your earliest opportunity.

Sincerely,

Kevin Beary
Sheriff of Orange County

Sergeant John Allen
Criminal Investigations Division
Missing Persons Squad
(407) 254-7222

Here’s the response FROM Jose TO OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 22, 2008
via facsimile

Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Attn: Sgt. John Allen
2500 West Colonial Drive
Orlando, FL 32408

Re: State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony

Dear Sgt. Allen:

I was pleased to see that your office has decided to take me up on our offer to cooperate in the search for Caylee Marie Anthony. Albeit two months later, it is better late than never, I suppose.

I was, however, displeased by the fact that I had to hear about your fax from the media before I even got the chance to read it. Nonetheless, I will convey your message to my client and discuss it with her further.

Please give me a call when you are more interested in searching for Caylee, as opposed to trying to improve your office’s public relations image. I realize that your office is under a lot of pressure because you haven’t found Caylee, but you should conduct your efforts in a more productive manner as opposed to leaking your communications with me to the media.

Sincerely,

Jose A. Baez, Esq.
http://citizenkim.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/jose-baez-caseys-defense-writes-juvenile-letter-to-oc-sherrifs-office/Jose Baez, pot-kettle, kettle-pot, In my opinion, the OCSO did everything in their power to try and find Caylee Marie Anthony. What did your client do to try and find her daughter??? NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!!!!!

[Amy]

OK, I could have SWORN that in one of the jailhouse tapes, Casey said that Zenaida had NO children. I know I heard that somewhere. I just don't remember where. First she says Zani has kids, then she says Zani doesn't have kids.

Are the lawyers or anyone just not paying attention to detail or what? I don't know.

That was one of Cindy's (or was it George's) complaint when talking about Casey not recognizing the ZFG in the lineup---wrong age, wrong hair color (or maybe it was straight, supposed to be curly or vice versa) and this one had kids and Casey's didn't. @ the time, I'm---what? I also tho't @ one time Casey had mentioned HER Zanny had kids, now she doesn't? It gets so confusing, can't remember who said what, and so many things were from Cindy saying "Casey told me"--then, come to find out, she was trying to solve riddles from what Casey told her. And, what Cindy told people was what her solution to the riddles were. AKKKKK!!!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7504472&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Here’s the letter TO Jose FROM OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 19, 2008

Jose Baez, Esquire
522 Simpson Road
Kissimmee, FL 34744

Dear Mr. Baez:

In your correspondence to the Orange County Sheriff’s Office you have stated your willingness to fully cooperate with law enforcement regarding the investigation of Caylee Anthony’s disappearance within the confines of your ethical obligation to your client, Casey Anthony.

In response to your offer to fully cooperate, I am requesting that you provide the circumstances and location Caylee Anthony was last seen. As you are aware, the previous statements provided by your client have been false and misleading.

The law enforcement personnel involved in the search for Caylee Anthony acknowledge your ethical obligation to you client. We hope that it is your client’s genuine desire to help find her daughter and to uncover the truth. We are also hopeful that you are able to provide the circumstances and location that Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, and that you understand the information we are requesting is crucial to the search for Caylee Anthony. If you are willing to assist in this matter, please contact me at your earliest opportunity.

Sincerely,

Kevin Beary
Sheriff of Orange County

Sergeant John Allen
Criminal Investigations Division
Missing Persons Squad
(407) 254-7222

Here’s the response FROM Jose TO OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 22, 2008
via facsimile

Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Attn: Sgt. John Allen
2500 West Colonial Drive
Orlando, FL 32408

Re: State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony

Dear Sgt. Allen:

I was pleased to see that your office has decided to take me up on our offer to cooperate in the search for Caylee Marie Anthony. Albeit two months later, it is better late than never, I suppose.

I was, however, displeased by the fact that I had to hear about your fax from the media before I even got the chance to read it. Nonetheless, I will convey your message to my client and discuss it with her further.

Please give me a call when you are more interested in searching for Caylee, as opposed to trying to improve your office’s public relations image. I realize that your office is under a lot of pressure because you haven’t found Caylee, but you should conduct your efforts in a more productive manner as opposed to leaking your communications with me to the media.

Sincerely,

Jose A. Baez, Esq.
http://citizenkim.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/jose-baez-caseys-defense-writes-juvenile-letter-to-oc-sherrifs-office/

How come I'm envisioning that chitty assed grin of Baez' as I read this? :flamemad:

http://i41.tinypic.com/33cb51c.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/s5xth1.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/1zbgkd0.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

OK, I could have SWORN that in one of the jailhouse tapes, Casey said that Zenaida had NO children. I know I heard that somewhere. I just don't remember where. First she says Zani has kids, then she says Zani doesn't have kids.

Are the lawyers or anyone just not paying attention to detail or what? I don't know.

It's fairly simple actually. Casey's imaginary nanny, Zani had no children. The real Zenaida had children whose names Casey used as roommates for her imaginary nanny. How she got that info in confusing.

[sharlock]

I wonder if in all his searches Tim Miller has ever had anyone treat him like crap like Cindy Anthony did in this case and dog him because he looked for a body and did not continue this she's alive fantasy that the Ants wanted him to perpetuate. I would think it would give almost anyone a near nervous breakdown when they are trying to help and they have so much venom and anger directed at them like Cindy did.
I really feel for Tim. He does so much good with his organisation and I hope everyone rallies behind equusearch to build their funds back up so he can get back to doing what he is good at. Finding our lost children.:rose:

[Amy]

How come I'm envisioning that chitty assed grin of Baez' as I read this? :flamemad:

http://i41.tinypic.com/33cb51c.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/s5xth1.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/1zbgkd0.jpg

I have to believe that by then, Mr Baez KNEW Caylee was dead, too. Can you imagine playing games w/LE when the whereabouts of a MISSING 2 y/o baby is being investigated? If he tho't for a second that Caylee was alive, he surely would have responded correctly--as in, "I have talked with my client and...." or, even MORE rational in that instance would be to CALL the fellow listed and get the ball rolling. Nope, IMO, he already knew that Caylee was dead and that Casey murdered her.

[sharlock]

It's fairly simple actually. Casey's imaginary nanny, Zani had no children. The real Zenaida had children whose names Casey used as roommates for her imaginary nanny. How she got that info in confusing.
I don't think Casey ever said Zanny had kids to my recollection but she named her flatmates and sister using the real ZG's kids names(the 2 she put on the Sawgrass Apt. card.

[sharlock]

Jose Baez, pot-kettle, kettle-pot, In my opinion, the OCSO did everything in their power to try and find Caylee Marie Anthony. What did your client do to try and find her daughter??? NOTHING WHATSOEVER!!!!!!
Well in all fairness "It's not in my clients best interest at this juncture to share her story or to find her child":flamemad:

[Woostock]

WOW
the session with Cindy and George and the liar on Scared Monkeys is exactly proof of what many of us have said. Casey ran the show...
I am a teacher and my students are only in second grade and I am not surprised by this at all. If I call a parent and report home work not done, etc. etc. many parents say they can't make their child do it, blah blah blah
I am not going into details but this kind of taking the path of least resistance is alive and well in many families today. And if you can't make a 7 or 8 yr old tow the line, you will have to move out of your house by the time they are teenagers....

[eatcupcakes]

NO ONE is responsible for Caylee's death other than Casey. Cindy may not have been the perfect mother, but to say she is even partially responsible for the death of her granddaughter is, IMO, irresponsible and unfair. Casey was an ADULT who seemed to have no problem controlling her parents in other areas. She COULD HAVE asserted her rights as an ADULT WOMAN and had an abortion or given the child up for adoption despite what her mother wanted. No one, as far as I can tell, held a gun to her head. She COULD HAVE left Caylee with her mother and vanished if she was intent on a life without the responsibility of a small child. SHE CHOSE not to do any of those things.

I don't much care what anyone thinks of Cindy personally, but to say she was somehow complicent in Caylee's death is ridiculous.

You have your opinion and I have mine. NO Cindy did not hold a gun to Casey head but she used her power as a mother who is a very strong and controlling personality to push Casey to have the baby. Actually Casey wanted to do the right thing and give her up. At a time when a young girl is alone, no male partner, and has no support other than her family she will try to please the only people she has. This is an Italian family and I know what that is like because I am from the same background. You just don't turn you back on the family. I am sure they promised to support her and circled the wagons around her. After Caylee was born and Casey had gotten older she realized what a burden the child was and that she had made a big mistake listening to her mother. Being that she is a sociopath and has no feelings she decided to kill Caylee rather than tell her parents she did not want her, rather then face to rath of Cindy. Yes I blame Cindy in having such influance over her daughter she helped cause her grand daughters death.

I think Cindy feels somewhat responsible and that is why she was in denial that Caylee was dead. Do I feel sorry for the pain she is feeling now, ofcourse, but if she and George had stepped up to the plate and adopted Caylee, would she be dead now???? I don't think so.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here’s the response FROM Jose TO OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 22, 2008
via facsimile

Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Attn: Sgt. John Allen
2500 West Colonial Drive
Orlando, FL 32408

Re: State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony

Dear Sgt. Allen:

I was pleased to see that your office has decided to take me up on our offer to cooperate in the search for Caylee Marie Anthony. Albeit two months later, it is better late than never, I suppose.

I was, however, displeased by the fact that I had to hear about your fax from the media before I even got the chance to read it. Nonetheless, I will convey your message to my client and discuss it with her further.

Please give me a call when you are more interested in searching for Caylee, as opposed to trying to improve your office’s public relations image. I realize that your office is under a lot of pressure because you haven’t found Caylee, but you should conduct your efforts in a more productive manner as opposed to leaking your communications with me to the media.

Sincerely,

Jose A. Baez, Esq.
http://citizenkim.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/jose-baez-caseys-defense-writes-juvenile-letter-to-oc-sherrifs-office/

Gee, Jose. Deflect much?

And how hypocritical to criticize the OCSO for not searching for Caylee considering how little his client or any of the Ants did. (Depending on what Lee was doing to find her.)

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if D Casey was looking for the reward money and only the reward money. Could it be that he and the psychic intended to share it?

hmmm You have to wonder IF when he reported that he was talking to his sick daughter, he was going to share the $$ with her. :hat:

I'd like to think that even D Casey would have enough sense not to go tearing and slashing and stabbing and poking through potential evidence, and to at least wear gloves when approaching the evidence. And you'd think that he'd have enough sense not to have himself videotaped while trespassing. That said, just about his only defense to tampering and obstruction at this point is that he knew Caylee wasn't at the Gonzales property.

[lissyanne1]

Wow, I finally got in! Hi I'm new here and have been lurking for quite some time now and have repeatedly attempted to register w/my hotmail account without success for some reason. I finally tried with my work e-mail account and got on. Geesh!

I have a problem with feeling much sympathy for the rest of the Anthony clan because they not only weren't interested in finding the babies body but they tried to stop other people from finding her ,like the blanchard park fiasco, noone stepping up to take a lie detector test, to rule themselves out, why? I know they don't hold up in court but then LE can take the focus off you and if you have nothing to hide what is the problem? Lee not volunteering his dna until forced to. Again why? The hair brush and the list goes on. I don't give a rat's behind that they were in denial. You try to find that child DEAD or alive! It was like the grandparents and uncle were perfectly content with her body just rotting out in there in the elements or animals picking at her corpse and not putting the baby to rest.

Ever since it has looked like the child was dead they only seemed to care about Casey and throwing LE and everybody else off track. You protect a child even after death until they are put to rest! I feel they have been so disrespectful to Caylee it makes me sick.

And give me a break! Cindy had to have known damn well what she was doing when she washed KC's pants, where was George when they took the clothes out? Having been an LEO he should have known with the car smelling the way it smelled anything in there would be evidence.

And I wouldn't trust Lee as far as I could throw him ever since he refused and convinced his parents to refuse the polygraph and has to be forced to cooperate, normal people don't do that!

Sorry have been holding that in for awhile. I've got more but I gotta go in increments or I will have a whole novel in one post.

[lissyanne1]

Sorry, one more rant, the fact that the C&G wanted that monster to attend Caylee's funeral was just one more slap in that child's face! How dare they just keep disrespecting her like that? You would think at least a victim would have the right for their murderer to not be allowed at that funeral and for their grandparents to be the one insisting on it happening??? Thank God it's not being allowed.

(told ya, been holding alot in and I probably shouldn't have had an energy drink this morning :o:o

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow, I finally got in! Hi I'm new here and have been lurking for quite some time now and have repeatedly attempted to register w/my hotmail account without success for some reason. I finally tried with my work e-mail account and got on. Geesh!

I have a problem with feeling much sympathy for the rest of the Anthony clan because they not only weren't interested in finding the babies body but they tried to stop other people from finding her ,like the blanchard park fiasco, noone stepping up to take a lie detector test, to rule themselves out, why? I know they don't hold up in court but then LE can take the focus off you and if you have nothing to hide what is the problem? Lee not volunteering his dna until forced to. Again why? The hair brush and the list goes on. I don't give a rat's behind that they were in denial. You try to find that child DEAD or alive! It was like the grandparents and uncle were perfectly content with her body just rotting out in there in the elements or animals picking at her corpse and not putting the baby to rest.

Ever since it has looked like the child was dead they only seemed to care about Casey and throwing LE and everybody else off track. You protect a child even after death until they are put to rest! I feel they have been so disrespectful to Caylee it makes me sick.

And give me a break! Cindy had to have known damn well what she was doing when she washed KC's pants, where was George when they took the clothes out? Having been an LEO he should have known with the car smelling the way it smelled anything in there would be evidence.

And I wouldn't trust Lee as far as I could throw him ever since he refused and convinced his parents to refuse the polygraph and has to be forced to cooperate, normal people don't do that!

Sorry have been holding that in for awhile. I've got more but I gotta go in increments or I will have a whole novel in one post.

Hey Lissyanne! In a way, I can connect how those two things go in tandem. Now, granted the weather created a huge drawback to the search for dead Caylee, but if her remains had been found sooner, the case could have moved forward, possibly without several of the twists that occurred between August and December. The rulings out in this case are every bit as important as the rulings in. Why obfuscate? (I have a feeling that making reality indistinct is how this family operates; take George's asinine analogies, for example.)

Sorry, one more rant, the fact that the C&G wanted that monster to attend Caylee's funeral was just one more slap in that child's face! How dare they just keep disrespecting her like that? You would think at least a victim would have the right for their murderer to not be allowed at that funeral and for their grandparents to be the one insisting on it happening??? Thank God it's not being allowed.

(told ya, been holding alot in and I probably shouldn't have had an energy drink this morning :o:o

Believe it or not, I would almost like to see Casey go to a funeral or memorial IF her demeanor could be observed. I want to see how she would react and hold up for a period of time when faced with what she's done. Of course, she would have to use the Pope Mobile for safety reasons.

Wha? Bloody Mary isn't an energy drink?

[lorettalockhorn]

Speaking of lies and the lying liars who tell them, what was the purpose of George telling LE that he had chased down Casey in Cindy's car? That has been disproved, but I'm not understanding the significance of the fabrication. Anyone?

[Spider]

Wow. Just wow. I can't believe that I had not read the communications between Jose BS and OCSO before now. I don't know that much about the law but can't the defense use that to their advantage in court to show the unwillingness of the defendant and her attorney in this case?

Now if you ask me about getting custody of a child I could tell you right much. My husband and I got custody of his daughter when she was 11. Her "mother" was a classic narcissistic personality. She could be the poster child for that disorder. I also learned that in the state of NC for a father to get custody of his own child he better pray for miracles because courts tend to lean toward the birth mother. The mother could live in the back of a burnt out bus and it would not matter to the courts. Luckily we had a great attorney who was able to "push birth mother's buttons" on the stand and the judge got a very clear view of her. Six years later I am now Mom and MY daughter has not even heard from her birth mother in over four years.

[lorettalockhorn]

Now you're pushing the envelope loretta! That 2/3's of my dead zone brain is swelling and my frontal lobes are curling up. I might ask my sociopath sibling, she might know.. I'll get back to ya! :hat:

Hmmm, why did he fabricate the car chase story? Right? Ok, got it.

I can't take it. :confused:

Noooooooooooo Do not contact the sociopath! It's not wooooooorrrrthhhhhh it!

[Twinners]

You have your opinion and I have mine. NO Cindy did not hold a gun to Casey head but she used her power as a mother who is a very strong and controlling personality to push Casey to have the baby. Actually Casey wanted to do the right thing and give her up. At a time when a young girl is alone, no male partner, and has no support other than her family she will try to please the only people she has. This is an Italian family and I know what that is like because I am from the same background. You just don't turn you back on the family. I am sure they promised to support her and circled the wagons around her.
But Casey DID have more than just her family for support when she was pregnant with Caylee and for many month's after she was born.
After high school, Casey got a job working at the Universal Studios theme park, which is, incidentally, owned by this program's parent company NBC Universal. It was there Casey met a young guy named Jesse Grund.

Jesse Grund: It was kind of the love at first sight type of thing.

Jesse and Casey started dating in January 2005, and their relationship blossomed, though it did come as something of a shock to Jesse when Casey told him six months later that she was pregnant, and that he was the father.

Jesse: My exact words to her were, "I'm not ready to be a parent, and you're not ready to be a parent. Let's give the child up to someone, some family who can't have kids, who is ready to be parents." And she said, "No, I'm not gonna carry this child around for nine months, and give birth to it, and then give it up to somebody else. This is my child."

On August 9th, 2005 little Caylee Marie Anthony was born. Her birth certificate never listed a father -- a paternity test showed that it wasn't Jesse, the boyfriend. It didn't matter. Jesse was as smitten with the baby girl, as he'd been with her mother. Jesse proposed and Casey said “yes.”

Jesse: She was crying. And it was probably one of the happiest moments of my life.

But five months later, Casey -- who was still living with her parents -- broke off the engagement. She told Jesse she was happier on her own. And she did indeed seem happy. She took to motherhood with apparent joy.

And her parents couldn't have been more supportive. To them, Caylee's arrival seemed like a gift from heaven.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28159418/

See?

Where did the notion that Casey initially wanted to give Caylee up come from originally? I've completely forgotten now.

After Caylee was born and Casey had gotten older she realized what a burden the child was and that she had made a big mistake listening to her mother. Being that she is a sociopath and has no feelings she decided to kill Caylee rather than tell her parents she did not want her, rather then face to rath of Cindy. Yes I blame Cindy in having such influance over her daughter she helped cause her grand daughters death.

I think Cindy feels somewhat responsible and that is why she was in denial that Caylee was dead. Do I feel sorry for the pain she is feeling now, ofcourse, but if she and George had stepped up to the plate and adopted Caylee, would she be dead now???? I don't think so.
Cindy and George couldn't have adopted Caylee without Casey's permission. She would have had to have given up all of her rights to Caylee in order for them to do so. That's something I could NEVER see Casey doing. She's wayyyyyy too controlling for that, IMO.

[javahog]

Reading between the lines...the stuff that might have been edited out by the paralegal typing it up...

Here’s the response FROM Jose TO OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 22, 2008
via facsimile

Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Attn: Sgt. John Allen
2500 West Colonial Drive
Orlando, FL 32408

Re: State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony

Dear Sgt. Chump:

I was pleased to see that your office has decided to take me up on our offer to cooperate in the search for Caylee Marie Anthony although, of course, a normal mother would be begging YOU to help HER find her daughter. Albeit two months later, it is better late than never, I suppose, but you don't seem to be the type to hang out at Club Fusian, so I fear your efforts will be in vain.

I was, however, displeased by the fact that I had to hear about your fax from the media before I even got the chance to read it, but that is what comes of the level of respect I command, I guess. Nonetheless, I will convey your message to my client and discuss it with her further. We will no doubt have a great belly laugh at your hopeless quest, but hey, knock yourself out.

Please give me a call when you are more interested in searching for Caylee, as opposed to trying to improve your office’s public relations image. I expect a lot of begging and a dozen roses to precede this phone call. I realize that your office is under a lot of pressure because you haven’t found Caylee since she was hidden so well, hah, ha, at the end of the street, but you should conduct your efforts in a more productive manner as opposed to leaking your communications with me to the media, which really steps on my toes as I parade my trophy client around, smirk, and generally cut a fine figure of manhood. Stay off my turf, if you don't mind.

Sincerely,

Jose A. Baez, Esq.


There, that sounds a bit more like the solicitor we know and love.

[Brainstorm]

How come I'm envisioning that chitty assed grin of Baez' as I read this? :flamemad:

http://i41.tinypic.com/33cb51c.jpg http://i41.tinypic.com/s5xth1.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/1zbgkd0.jpg

Gee, Jose. Deflect much?

And how hypocritical to criticize the OCSO for not searching for Caylee considering how little his client or any of the Ants did. (Depending on what Lee was doing to find her.)


Jose is a little fish(maybe a sardine) in a big pond.He thinks(IMOO) he is big s/h/i/t.He is enjoying this.His head has swelled,maybe enforcing his belief he is a BIG Cat.
Will he ever realize he hasbeen fooled by a common w/h/o/r/e?
imoo

[lorettalockhorn]

But Casey DID have more than just her family for support when she was pregnant with Caylee and for many month's after she was born.


See?

Where did the notion that Casey initially wanted to give Caylee up come from originally? I've completely forgotten now.


Cindy and George couldn't have adopted Caylee without Casey's permission. She would have had to have given up all of her rights to Caylee in order for them to do so. That's something I could NEVER see Casey doing. She's wayyyyyy too controlling for that, IMO.

Twinners, right offhand, I believe it was Kiomarie who told LE that she and Casey had discussed the possibility of (her) adopting Casey's baby. Don't remember if anyone else reported that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Reading between the lines...the stuff that might have been edited out by the paralegal typing it up...

Here’s the response FROM Jose TO OC Sheriff’s Office:
September 22, 2008
via facsimile

Orange County Sheriff’s Office
Attn: Sgt. John Allen
2500 West Colonial Drive
Orlando, FL 32408

Re: State of Florida v. Casey M. Anthony

Dear Sgt. Chump:

I was pleased to see that your office has decided to take me up on our offer to cooperate in the search for Caylee Marie Anthony although, of course, a normal mother would be begging YOU to help HER find her daughter. Albeit two months later, it is better late than never, I suppose, but you don't seem to be the type to hang out at Club Fusian, so I fear your efforts will be in vain.

I was, however, displeased by the fact that I had to hear about your fax from the media before I even got the chance to read it, but that is what comes of the level of respect I command, I guess. Nonetheless, I will convey your message to my client and discuss it with her further. We will no doubt have a great belly laugh at your hopeless quest, but hey, knock yourself out.

Please give me a call when you are more interested in searching for Caylee, as opposed to trying to improve your office’s public relations image. I expect a lot of begging and a dozen roses to precede this phone call. I realize that your office is under a lot of pressure because you haven’t found Caylee since she was hidden so well, hah, ha, at the end of the street, but you should conduct your efforts in a more productive manner as opposed to leaking your communications with me to the media, which really steps on my toes as I parade my trophy client around, smirk, and generally cut a fine figure of manhood. Stay off my turf, if you don't mind.

Sincerely,

Jose A. Baez, Esq.


There, that sounds a bit more like the solicitor we know and love.

http://i31.tinypic.com/9k8htj.jpg

[Gatordog]

I wonder if Lee moved in with them from that time as well? Gator your dog is soooo beautiful and looks a fair bit like my beautiful girl. They have such lovely natures don't they.

Mac is as sweet as they come. He just loves to cuddle with the cats. He is the best snake catcher you can imagine. Many times I've lookrd in the yard and saw him tossing a racer up into the air.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Oye Vey! Anthony's are ITALIAN???? I beg you, say it isn't so!

Moddawn! :shrug:

George is of Italian heritage.

[Gatordog]

Oye Vey! Anthony's are ITALIAN???? I beg you, say it isn't so!

Moddawn! :shrug:

This family makes the Sopranos look downright loveable. I'd rather live next door to Carmella than Cindy any day. At least I'd probably have a nice dish of ziti everday from Carmella.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Wow. Just wow. I can't believe that I had not read the communications between Jose BS and OCSO before now. I don't know that much about the law but can't the defense use that to their advantage in court to show the unwillingness of the defendant and her attorney in this case?

Now if you ask me about getting custody of a child I could tell you right much. My husband and I got custody of his daughter when she was 11. Her "mother" was a classic narcissistic personality. She could be the poster child for that disorder. I also learned that in the state of NC for a father to get custody of his own child he better pray for miracles because courts tend to lean toward the birth mother. The mother could live in the back of a burnt out bus and it would not matter to the courts. Luckily we had a great attorney who was able to "push birth mother's buttons" on the stand and the judge got a very clear view of her. Six years later I am now Mom and MY daughter has not even heard from her birth mother in over four years.


Hi Spider, Mac thinks that you are such a good person, that he wants to give you his favorite bone. http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-tv-011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator and Mac

[Gatordog]

Speaking of lies and the lying liars who tell them, what was the purpose of George telling LE that he had chased down Casey in Cindy's car? That has been disproved, but I'm not understanding the significance of the fabrication. Anyone?

How was this disproven? There hasn't been any local news that this wasn't true. How did it come out?

gator

[One2Snoop]

Dear Cindy Anthony:
Remember Caylee???

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Dear Cindy Anthony:

With all due respect. Do you remember Caylee??? Do you remember that not only did her mother, your daughter, Casey hurt her? She hurt you! She hurt your family!! By far Caylee was the biggest victim here!!! Do you realize that? Somehow, I know that if you ever read this you would only hate me and get angry, but I can’t help that. I’m sorry for your loss. I’m sorry for your ordeal with your daughter. I’m sorry that your whole world has been turned upside down. What is it going to take to get you to fight for Caylee? What is it going to take to get you to wake up and see what the rest of the world sees?? I understand that Casey is your daughter. I understand that you love your daughter. You should. Do you understand that girl shows no emotion to or for anyone, except for herself and her attorney. The only reason she is so taken with him at this point is because she knows her very life depends on it. If she didn’t need him she wouldn’t care about him. I saw her in this “lost video” laughing at you when you were sobbing and heart broken. Do you realize that??? You should have gotten Casey help a long time ago. Casey was already messed up before she got pregnant. Do you realize that?? As strong a person as you appear to be she puts you to your knees. You totally cowar to her. Do you realize that? Do you understand that the games you have played in the media and with the public has only incriminated Casey more? Do you realize that those very games only caused you much more grief?? Do you realize that the games you played with the public and LE only put your family more at risk, as you have put yourself and what’s left of your family at risk for being charged and prosecuted for additional crimes??? Do you realize that you have been willing to throw every good thing and person in your life away for the sake of Casey? You cannot continue to live in this world of guilt and denial and all the while hurting people that are truly there for you, especially when you are not really helping the one that you are sacrificing everyone and everything else for. Could have, would have, should have, hind sight is 20/20. This letter is not to attack you, in fact my hope is that it will wake you up, before it’s too late. You can’t bring Caylee back, but the people you’ve hurt will forgive you. You can’t change the past but you can change the course of your future. You can forgive Casey, but you cannot continue to enable her. Stop the abuse!!! Quit putting up with her attitude. She’s cost you alot, in more ways than one. Quit letting her do that! The greatest and best thing you can do for yourself and the rest of your family is lay Caylee to rest with respect and honor. She was an innocent victim and she did not deserve what she got! Get your family and yourself some couseling and come clean with LE to the best of your ability. Do it for Caylee. They have had so much mercy on you and your family and so much patience, what makes you think they will stop now? The Truth Will Set You FREE!!! Stop the circus. Do it for Caylee, and for the rest of your family. The kindest things you can do for others are the most rewarding things you can do for yourself. Think about it, if you read this.

http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/dear-cindy-anthony/

[Gatordog]

Me tooooo, then I'd get to see Tony, the bastid! He's the SOB we love to look at. Is it something in his walk, maybe? He's got nothing, but he's so darn cute! Shut me up, he's a murdering scoundral! :confused: Carmella now she's another story. Makes Cindy look like Mr.Mcgoo.

It's the self confidence, the ego and don't forget some really beautiful Italian suits! He may have been horrible to people but he was very sweet to animals.

[Gatordog]

All the local news shows are now reporting that the Anthonys are still selling the where's Caylee shirts. They are pointing the finger towards Cindy. Still no funeral date. I don't understand why they can't hold the public memorial now and then have the family service with the burial. It would serve them right if no one showed up but went to the Suburban Drive site instead.

Gator

[javahog]

Oh my lord! Why did they ever go on television with this personal crisis? Look what has become of them. They are under a microscope! They are food for media voyeurs looking at the carnage of their daughter's crime against nature, against innocence! They must have been truly blind to what their family dysfunction caused. That's all I can think of as the answer to why.

They will be immortals, like the Black Dahlia, like Son of Sam, like the Boston Strangler, those creepy murderers that made international news.. At least Casey Anthony will be. They did not have to go public. They could have left the LE alone to do their work. Half of this personal stuff could have remained personal. I get the creeps when all that stuff is exposed because I know they won't be able to go to the market without a problem and that disturbs me.

They will have to move to Asia for privacy. Ilk! I wish they wouldn't sell missing Caylee T shirts.. it only makes them appear needy of more attention and further more, they want this case and themselves to stay in the spotlight. That's obvious. DO they think they are worthy of a place in history? Do they think people want a piece of their history? Are they afraid the inauguration will take precedence over them? And still, they have not paid homage to Caylee yet? This is nuts!

Until decomp was confirmed in the trunk, there was a 1% chance that Caylee was actually missing. How could anyone hunker down in silence when there was any chance at all? If only perfect people's kids went missing, there would never be a search.

I'm not going to defend family dynamics or shirts or postponed services. Just say, one person here is a killer, and Cindy is not the one who is charged.

[tv]

When I am sad for all the harm done in this world, like now, just reading about this poor little Caylee, I click on this flick. I know it will make you smile and that it will relieve your sadness. For Caylee :rose:

Enjoy :seeya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dj298NRTO8I needed that, Danagher. Thank you! :)

[javahog]

When I am sad for all the harm done in this world, like now, just reading about this poor little Caylee, I click on this flick. I know it will make you smile and that it will relieve your sadness. For Caylee :rose:

Enjoy :seeya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dj298NRTO8

aww, thanks for sharing! It made my baby smile while I fed her!

[Spider]

Hi Spider, Mac thinks that you are such a good person, that he wants to give you his favorite bone.

Gator and Mac
Today 03:29 PM


Oh, thanks Gator and Mac. It has been tough but I would do it all over again. We bottomed out my husbands IRA and spent a lot of blood, sweat and tears getting her. I honestly never wanted children (no flames please) but my best friend calls my daughter my Karmic Daughter. My own wonderful Mother put that 'teenage' curse on me. You all know the one....the "I hope you have one just like you!"


Well, I thought I had dodged that bullet but what do you know? I now have one "just like me". Stubborn, mule headed, know it all, just like I was at seventeen....and will argue with a fencepost. Even more Karmic is that the very first time I met MY daughter she was five. It was as if we had been waiting for one another. Also the very odd fact that the one time I was pregnant (which was lost very early into the pregnancy) my due date would have been within days that THIS daughter was born. She must have meant to be mine all along.

I hope the quotes work. I am very computer illiterate. I don't even know how to make an Avatar. Although my avatar would probably be of my now nine inch span tarantula named Cleo. Might scare some of those terrified of spiders:eek: (I have several but Cleo is the largest)

Thank you all for your patience with me learning the ropes so to speak.

The letter posted to Cindy was amazing. I wonder if the Ants read these boards at all?

[lorettalockhorn]

How was this disproven? There hasn't been any local news that this wasn't true. How did it come out?

gator

...Economics Detective Karen Toledo researched the Anthony's E-Pass records for the dates in question. Those records are attached. The records do not support George Anthony's account regarding him chasing Casey Anthony after she took Cindy Anthony's SUV...

Bottom of P49:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf

[lorettalockhorn]

When I am sad for all the harm done in this world, like now, just reading about this poor little Caylee, I click on this flick. I know it will make you smile and that it will relieve your sadness. For Caylee :rose:

Enjoy :seeya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dj298NRTO8

So sweet! :tongue:

[Spider]

Gotta go "Wash that gray right outta my hair" Be back.........

[Lodi]

Does anyone know if Casey will be given a good physical exam? This murder is so bad that i've wondered if she might have something wrong with her other than just being mean.

[Twinners]

Twinners, right offhand, I believe it was Kiomarie who told LE that she and Casey had discussed the possibility of (her) adopting Casey's baby. Don't remember if anyone else reported that.
Thanks Loretta! I did a quick search for her name and, sure enough, it was her who said it. Comparing what she said to what Jesse said, it looks like Casey gave different stories to different people. No surprise there, huh?

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone know if Casey will be given a good physical exam? This murder is so bad that i've wondered if she might have something wrong with her other than just being mean.

Of course, and a psych exam too. Let's see. Who would be good to put on the Dream Team to testify to Casey's mental health? (Or lack thereof.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta! I did a quick search for her name and, sure enough, it was her who said it. Comparing what she said to what Jesse said, it looks like Casey gave different stories to different people. No surprise there, huh?

I can so see Casey roping Kiomarie in with that kind of promise.

[Twinners]

All the local news shows are now reporting that the Anthonys are still selling the where's Caylee shirts. They are pointing the finger towards Cindy. Still no funeral date. I don't understand why they can't hold the public memorial now and then have the family service with the burial. It would serve them right if no one showed up but went to the Suburban Drive site instead.

Gator
Having any kind of service for Caylee before she is properly put to rest would somehow feel wrong to me. Maybe not wrong, but kind of selfish, if that makes any sense at all. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

So could I...for money.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2pqklro.jpg


or this might be more realistic,,,,,,,,,http://i43.tinypic.com/30ij9fq.jpg

But....

http://i35.tinypic.com/b3ptgy.jpg

[lissyanne1]

Thank you for the warm welcome. and I believe it was Loretta that asked me about the energy drink. I switch back and forth between Red bull and Rock star. I need all the help I can on my days off for cleaning the house but for some reason they make me irritable. I guess my version of haterade, Oh and it has to be consumed on an empty stomach to give me the energy effect. I tell the family they better move outta dodge when I drink one!

I know what you guys mean about Geraldo's stance on this whole case and I believe I might know the answer (as arrogant as that sounds ;) but I think he finds Casey attractive, I have seen him behave this way with the attractive female child molesting teachers for some reason. I think he has the hots for Casey and is sticking up for her just like all the female teachers that were somewhat good looking like Deborah Lafave, we do know he used to be quite the ladie's man and I think he likes her as much as old Jose does. JMO

I am so excited about being able to post now. It's just so hard to get on here as much as I'd like with 3 teenagers and only being able to post on my work breaks.

[Gatordog]

When I am sad for all the harm done in this world, like now, just reading about this poor little Caylee, I click on this flick. I know it will make you smile and that it will relieve your sadness. For Caylee :rose:

Enjoy :seeya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dj298NRTO8

Way too cute. Mac came running into the bedroom and is looking all over to see what's making that noise. The best part is being able to see people who really enjoy their children.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thank you for the warm welcome. and I believe it was Loretta that asked me about the energy drink. I switch back and forth between Red bull and Rock star. I need all the help I can on my days off for cleaning the house but for some reason they make me irritable. I guess my version of haterade, Oh and it has to be consumed on an empty stomach to give me the energy effect. I tell the family they better move outta dodge when I drink one!

I know what you guys mean about Geraldo's stance on this whole case and I believe I might know the answer (as arrogant as that sounds ;) but I think he finds Casey attractive, I have seen him behave this way with the attractive female child molesting teachers for some reason. I think he has the hots for Casey and is sticking up for her just like all the female teachers that were somewhat good looking like Deborah Lafave, we do know he used to be quite the ladie's man and I think he likes her as much as old Jose does. JMO

I am so excited about being able to post now. It's just so hard to get on here as much as I'd like with 3 teenagers and only being able to post on my work breaks.

Welcome Lissyanne. It's nice to meet you. You are probably 100% right on that theory about Geraldo. He is a hound dog from way back.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Having any kind of service for Caylee before she is properly put to rest would somehow feel wrong to me. Maybe not wrong, but kind of selfish, if that makes any sense at all. :shrug:

Not really. Caylee has been dead for seven months. When are they going to do something? One year? Wakes are done before the burial. It's no big deal. Wait too long and what's the purpose - more attention? More money?

[Spider]

Just to say that every single person on these boards has something to contribute and are all so welcoming and awesome. Unlike many other boards this oneif full of insight, great info, free opinions and care for one another. I just wanted to say that and to say thank you all for having me and all of the newbies and for including us into your circle and making us your own:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you for the warm welcome. and I believe it was Loretta that asked me about the energy drink. I switch back and forth between Red bull and Rock star. I need all the help I can on my days off for cleaning the house but for some reason they make me irritable. I guess my version of haterade, Oh and it has to be consumed on an empty stomach to give me the energy effect. I tell the family they better move outta dodge when I drink one!

I know what you guys mean about Geraldo's stance on this whole case and I believe I might know the answer (as arrogant as that sounds ;) but I think he finds Casey attractive, I have seen him behave this way with the attractive female child molesting teachers for some reason. I think he has the hots for Casey and is sticking up for her just like all the female teachers that were somewhat good looking like Deborah Lafave, we do know he used to be quite the ladie's man and I think he likes her as much as old Jose does. JMO

I am so excited about being able to post now. It's just so hard to get on here as much as I'd like with 3 teenagers and only being able to post on my work breaks.

Don't know anyone personally who drinks Red Bull, but see lots of folks on line who swear by it!

Geraldo used to be a ladies man? Dunno how his current wife thinks, but I'm thinking if he'll do it with you, he'll do it to you.

[One2Snoop]

Thank you for the warm welcome. snip

I am so excited about being able to post now. It's just so hard to get on here as much as I'd like with 3 teenagers and only being able to post on my work breaks.

Just to say that every single person on these boards has something to contribute and are all so welcoming and awesome. Unlike many other boards this oneif full of insight, great info, free opinions and care for one another. I just wanted to say that and to say thank you all for having me and all of the newbies and for including us into your circle and making us your own:beer:

:rose: Just wanted to throw in my welcome :seeya: looking forward to both of you posting your thoughts....:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Absolutely right on Loretta, and as a last resort, there's always......

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ep5ys7.jpg (LOOK it's Casey!!)

teehee

Tim Miller: She had smiles all over her face, ran around like she had just won a cheerleading competition. Very discouraging from the beginning.

http://i29.tinypic.com/20tmp28.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Are you javahog? It doesn't sound like you. For the record, I didn't charge Cindy. My problem is them selling tee shirts, for the love of Pete! Why do they cash in on ghouls who want a souvenir of this horrible event? Before decomp was confirmed in the trunk, Caylee was missing for 31 days. How do you figure that's a 1% chance she was actually missing? 100% chance if you ask me. But I'm nobody. ;) As for them hunkering down; They could have acted a little more civilized. There are ways to show concern without turning the whole event into a media grab bag. JMO.

ITA, "one person here is a killer."

Can't really speak for java, but I do think the test results from The Body Farm were really a turning point for a lot of folks who hoped against hope that Caylee was alive. Maybe not so much a statistical chance, as good people holding out for it to be impossible for a mother to do this to her angel.

[Amy]

But Casey DID have more than just her family for support when she was pregnant with Caylee and for many month's after she was born.


See?

Where did the notion that Casey initially wanted to give Caylee up come from originally? I've completely forgotten now.


Cindy and George couldn't have adopted Caylee without Casey's permission. She would have had to have given up all of her rights to Caylee in order for them to do so. That's something I could NEVER see Casey doing. She's wayyyyyy too controlling for that, IMO.

2 sources for her wanting to give the baby up for adoption. One was Uncle RIck who says everyone but the A's knew Casey was pregnant (7 months @ the time of his wedding in Hawaii. Uncle Rick is the one who posted that Casey did not want to tell her mom because she was planning on giving the baby up for adoption.

The second one was KioMarie who says that Casey had told her she could adopt the baby.

Now, knowing (seeing/hearing, anyway) more about Casey, I can very well believe that she told her uncle and KioMarie she was giving the baby up, AND that she told Jesse she wouldn't give a baby up after carrying it for 9 months. Her reason for telling Jesse that might very well have been her trying to get a commitment from him, maybe thinking he would just take her @ her word that the baby was his.

And, she did get the commitment, even after he knew the baby wasn't his, and she threw it all away. Go figure.

IMO, tell the person you are talking to what you think they want to hear, or whatever best serves your puposes @ that moment.

[Amy]

How was this disproven? There hasn't been any local news that this wasn't true. How did it come out?

gator

From my recollection, Cindy said that never happened. Of course, @ first blush, one would tend to believe George over Cindy. But, LE checked out the ecard or epass or etoll or something that belongs to the A's, and whatever should have shown on that in relation to George's story, wasn't there. I can't remember where that info came out. I remember in the interview, they told George that Cindy does not recollect the incident he related. It might have been then that they divulged to George that the ecard didn't check out? I do remember, tho, that the ecard disproved his story.

Maybe it was told on NG? I don't THINK it was Leonard Padilla who said it, but gosh, it's hard to remember who said what, when, and to whom, and how many versions of the same story each told!!!!!

[Gatordog]

...Economics Detective Karen Toledo researched the Anthony's E-Pass records for the dates in question. Those records are attached. The records do not support George Anthony's account regarding him chasing Casey Anthony after she took Cindy Anthony's SUV...

Bottom of P49:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf

Well, I have no explanation or theory for that at all. I am just speechless which isn't easy to do and worth a lot of money to some.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

From my recollection, Cindy said that never happened. Of course, @ first blush, one would tend to believe George over Cindy. But, LE checked out the ecard or epass or etoll or something that belongs to the A's, and whatever should have shown on that in relation to George's story, wasn't there. I can't remember where that info came out. I remember in the interview, they told George that Cindy does not recollect the incident he related. It might have been then that they divulged to George that the ecard didn't check out? I do remember, tho, that the ecard disproved his story.

Maybe it was told on NG? I don't THINK it was Leonard Padilla who said it, but gosh, it's hard to remember who said what, when, and to whom, and how many versions of the same story each told!!!!!

I also remember that being the story - something to do with e-card(pass) didn't check out. Perhaps George did chase Casey that day - but IIRC he didn't chase her anywhere that she had to use e-pass. Maybe they got close and thats all he recalls? :shrug:

[Gatordog]

From my recollection, Cindy said that never happened. Of course, @ first blush, one would tend to believe George over Cindy. But, LE checked out the ecard or epass or etoll or something that belongs to the A's, and whatever should have shown on that in relation to George's story, wasn't there. I can't remember where that info came out. I remember in the interview, they told George that Cindy does not recollect the incident he related. It might have been then that they divulged to George that the ecard didn't check out? I do remember, tho, that the ecard disproved his story.

Maybe it was told on NG? I don't THINK it was Leonard Padilla who said it, but gosh, it's hard to remember who said what, when, and to whom, and how many versions of the same story each told!!!!!

Loretta found the documentation. I am just amazed beyond belief that not one person in that family is truthful. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[SaraSidle]

You have your opinion and I have mine. NO Cindy did not hold a gun to Casey head but she used her power as a mother who is a very strong and controlling personality to push Casey to have the baby. Actually Casey wanted to do the right thing and give her up. At a time when a young girl is alone, no male partner, and has no support other than her family she will try to please the only people she has. This is an Italian family and I know what that is like because I am from the same background. You just don't turn you back on the family. I am sure they promised to support her and circled the wagons around her. After Caylee was born and Casey had gotten older she realized what a burden the child was and that she had made a big mistake listening to her mother. Being that she is a sociopath and has no feelings she decided to kill Caylee rather than tell her parents she did not want her, rather then face to rath of Cindy. Yes I blame Cindy in having such influance over her daughter she helped cause her grand daughters death.

I think Cindy feels somewhat responsible and that is why she was in denial that Caylee was dead. Do I feel sorry for the pain she is feeling now, ofcourse, but if she and George had stepped up to the plate and adopted Caylee, would she be dead now???? I don't think so.

just wondering Did you know Cindy was starting adoption proceedings? I thought not

[lorettalockhorn]

2 sources for her wanting to give the baby up for adoption. One was Uncle RIck who says everyone but the A's knew Casey was pregnant (7 months @ the time of his wedding in Hawaii. Uncle Rick is the one who posted that Casey did not want to tell her mom because she was planning on giving the baby up for adoption.

The second one was KioMarie who says that Casey had told her she could adopt the baby.

Now, knowing (seeing/hearing, anyway) more about Casey, I can very well believe that she told her uncle and KioMarie she was giving the baby up, AND that she told Jesse she wouldn't give a baby up after carrying it for 9 months. Her reason for telling Jesse that might very well have been her trying to get a commitment from him, maybe thinking he would just take her @ her word that the baby was his.

And, she did get the commitment, even after he knew the baby wasn't his, and she threw it all away. Go figure.

IMO, tell the person you are talking to what you think they want to hear, or whatever best serves your puposes @ that moment.

Thanks for the reminder about good ole Uncle Rick!

Of course she threw it all away. Attachment disorder.

[Amy]

When I am sad for all the harm done in this world, like now, just reading about this poor little Caylee, I click on this flick. I know it will make you smile and that it will relieve your sadness. For Caylee :rose:

Enjoy :seeya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dj298NRTO8

Thanks for the link!!!! Not just the one, but SOOO many of those cuties doing/saying the cutest (or darndest) things!!!!!

[Brainstorm]

hahaha,No but believe it or not.......it has been COLD in So Ga, so beemmeup another.I am still here, just at a loss for words(believe that or not too!)
This has been so awful but I am glad they found the remains. The case I came to CL to read and study has not turned out this way.We are all still waiting and praying for news.

[Amy]

Of course, and a psych exam too. Let's see. Who would be good to put on the Dream Team to testify to Casey's mental health? (Or lack thereof.)

I know!!! I know!!!! Dr Phil!!!! Nope, guess that wouldn't work for the defense, might be of help to the prosecution, tho. He calls a spade a spade and isn't about to let Casey nor Jose try to bullwink him!!!! How's THAT working for ya, Casey?

[SaraSidle]

Jose is a little fish(maybe a sardine) in a big pond.He thinks(IMOO) he is big s/h/i/t.He is enjoying this.His head has swelled,maybe enforcing his belief he is a BIG Cat.
Will he ever realize he hasbeen fooled by a common w/h/o/r/e?
imoo

LOL Brainstorm never hold back. You always tell it like it is. thanks IMO

[Amy]

I also remember that being the story - something to do with e-card(pass) didn't check out. Perhaps George did chase Casey that day - but IIRC he didn't chase her anywhere that she had to use e-pass. Maybe they got close and thats all he recalls? :shrug:

I think his story included going somewhere that the epass would have to have been used, which is why they checked the epass? I don't know. It's all confusing and gets more so each day. About the time it looks like there is a rhyme to a reason, something gets thrown in that doesn't make sense @ all!!!!

And, I can't remember why he tho't it was important about his chasing Casey. Was it to prove that she had used Cindy's car on that particular day? To prove that it was a day that Casey's car was out of commission? I just don't remember the significance of his story. Or, even the day the chase allegedly took place.

[javahog]

Are you javahog? It doesn't sound like you. For the record, I didn't charge Cindy. My problem is them selling tee shirts, for the love of Pete! Why do they cash in on ghouls who want a souvenir of this horrible event? Before decomp was confirmed in the trunk, Caylee was missing for 31 days. How do you figure that's a 1% chance she was actually missing? 100% chance if you ask me. But I'm nobody. ;) As for them hunkering down; They could have acted a little more civilized. There are ways to show concern without turning the whole event into a media grab bag. JMO.

ITA, "one person here is a killer."

Yeah, it's me. I'm feeling bad for them today. It comes on me from time to time. I don't even want to think about what they are thinking about the shirts, but whoever is pimping the shirts should think a few more times and then be kicked off the island, preferably after being rubbed with chum. jmo.

The 1% chance I gave before decomp wasn't generosity or trust. I thought the ****** ***** might have sold her to child traffickers. But after the tests came back, no chance at all. jmo.

[SaraSidle]

Hmmm, he must have gotten rid of the vowel at the end of his name. Well, I'm glad it isn't Cindy.

Hide me.

good idea. racist remarks are not good

[SaraSidle]

Hey Sara:seeya:Ya know its a slow news day when ...... HA!!!!:hat:

You are too funny. Took me and DH 1 hour just to clear the car,steps and driveway today. the sidewalk will have to wait. hope the mailman and paper people are wearing boots. our lower backs have been so punished. when are you coming to get us???????????//

[SaraSidle]

Oh, thanks Gator and Mac. It has been tough but I would do it all over again. We bottomed out my husbands IRA and spent a lot of blood, sweat and tears getting her. I honestly never wanted children (no flames please) but my best friend calls my daughter my Karmic Daughter. My own wonderful Mother put that 'teenage' curse on me. You all know the one....the "I hope you have one just like you!"


Well, I thought I had dodged that bullet but what do you know? I now have one "just like me". Stubborn, mule headed, know it all, just like I was at seventeen....and will argue with a fencepost. Even more Karmic is that the very first time I met MY daughter she was five. It was as if we had been waiting for one another. Also the very odd fact that the one time I was pregnant (which was lost very early into the pregnancy) my due date would have been within days that THIS daughter was born. She must have meant to be mine all along.

I hope the quotes work. I am very computer illiterate. I don't even know how to make an Avatar. Although my avatar would probably be of my now nine inch span tarantula named Cleo. Might scare some of those terrified of spiders:eek: (I have several but Cleo is the largest)

Thank you all for your patience with me learning the ropes so to speak.

The letter posted to Cindy was amazing. I wonder if the Ants read these boards at all?

Spider I am so sorry and so glad at the same time. You are fine on the computer and that daughter of yours is a lucky girl. I have never had children and I miss it badly. thank goodness you are there for her and you will be rewarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO sara

[javahog]

teehee

Tim Miller: She had smiles all over her face, ran around like she had just won a cheerleading competition. Very discouraging from the beginning.

http://i29.tinypic.com/20tmp28.jpg

Yes. That would be a discouraging sight! lol at your images!

[SaraSidle]

hahaha,No but believe it or not.......it has been COLD in So Ga, so beemmeup another.I am still here, just at a loss for words(believe that or not too!)
This has been so awful but I am glad they found the remains. The case I came to CL to read and study has not turned out this way.We are all still waiting and praying for news.

Hey Brainstorm we could always take Beem somewhere exotic and warm where we could all smoke and not need sweaters. we have 3 feet of snow at this moment in w michigan

[javahog]

Hey Brainstorm we could always take Beem somewhere exotic and warm where we could all smoke and not need sweaters. we have 3 feet of snow at this moment in w michigan

Watch out for the yellow snow! Those meter readers are trouble!

[lorettalockhorn]

Watch out for the yellow snow! Those meter readers are trouble!

http://i44.tinypic.com/2hpklc5.gif

[lighthousedazy]

LOL!! I'm not Irish. I'm a wop. Tell your people to call my person. :D

Oh Danagher, I must have missed a few posts. I am a Scotch Irish southern girl who married a Catholic Irish Yankee boy and we have been together for 37 years. My MIL's best friend was a dear Italian lady, Aunt Vinnie. Danny, don't say "wop". That's not nice. :D

[eatcupcakes]

But Casey DID have more than just her family for support when she was pregnant with Caylee and for many month's after she was born.


See?

Where did the notion that Casey initially wanted to give Caylee up come from originally? I've completely forgotten now.


Cindy and George couldn't have adopted Caylee without Casey's permission. She would have had to have given up all of her rights to Caylee in order for them to do so. That's something I could NEVER see Casey doing. She's wayyyyyy too controlling for that, IMO.

Casey wanted to give the baby up befor it was born to her girl friend who was hispanic. Cindy nixed the idea and the friend was on TV sorry I forget her name and talked about this. She said she was not allowed in the Ants house because of her heritage. Therefore, Cindy and George could have adopted her when Casey wanted to give her up.

Now please don't get me wrong the Liar certainly is the one who caused the poor childs death and no one else. And she should be punished for it serverly. I am just saying that perhaps none of this would have happened if circumstances had been different and it appears Cindy controlled much of those circumstances. Sad but true.

[eatcupcakes]

Absolutely right on Loretta, and as a last resort, there's always......

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ep5ys7.jpg (LOOK it's Casey!!)

I am still laughing. It really does look like her and for sure it is something she would do if she could, and do it during the 30 days she was free on Caylee. She was really celebrating during that time period. The Liar that is.

[eatcupcakes]

hahaha,No but believe it or not.......it has been COLD in So Ga, so beemmeup another.I am still here, just at a loss for words(believe that or not too!)
This has been so awful but I am glad they found the remains. The case I came to CL to read and study has not turned out this way.We are all still waiting and praying for news.

80 degrees in Metro Phoenix today. I will be going for my 2 mile walk and enjoy the beautiful blue sky and flowers that bloom this time of year. Happy MLK day to all. Such a sad end for a great man but now we have Barack who we might not have if it wasn't for MLK and his dream.

[Gatordog]

just wondering Did you know Cindy was starting adoption proceedings? I thought not

Where did that come from? I haven't heard that at all.

Gator

[Gatordog]

good idea. racist remarks are not good

I'm Italian, and I don't think that was racist. Also Italian isn't a race, it's a nationality.

[javahog]

I am still laughing. It really does look like her and for sure it is something she would do if she could, and do it during the 30 days she was free on Caylee. She was really celebrating during that time period. The Liar that is.

Caylee MIGHT have been under the table in front of her. I mean, you have to look EVERYWHERE, right?

No real news here, change of venue...http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

[Gatordog]

80 degrees in Metro Phoenix today. I will be going for my 2 mile walk and enjoy the beautiful blue sky and flowers that bloom this time of year. Happy MLK day to all. Such a sad end for a great man but now we have Barack who we might not have if it wasn't for MLK and his dream.

January 20, 2009 http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy110.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

Casey wanted to give the baby up befor it was born to her girl friend who was hispanic. Cindy nixed the idea and the friend was on TV sorry I forget her name and talked about this. She said she was not allowed in the Ants house because of her heritage. Therefore, Cindy and George could have adopted her when Casey wanted to give her up.

Now please don't get me wrong the Liar certainly is the one who caused the poor childs death and no one else. And she should be punished for it serverly. I am just saying that perhaps none of this would have happened if circumstances had been different and it appears Cindy controlled much of those circumstances. Sad but true.


The Liar never, ever, had any intention of putting Caylee up for adoption. She told Kiomarie what she wanted to hear, probably to see what she could get out of her and probably scare Cindy into doing whatever she wanted her to do. The Liar told Jesse that she would never carry a baby for 9 months and then give it to someone else. She's too selfish to do that. She saw Caylee as a means of attention and money. Cindy and George did offer to adopt Caylee many times, but was refused.

[Twinners]

Casey wanted to give the baby up befor it was born to her girl friend who was hispanic. Cindy nixed the idea and the friend was on TV sorry I forget her name and talked about this. She said she was not allowed in the Ants house because of her heritage. Therefore, Cindy and George could have adopted her when Casey wanted to give her up.

Now please don't get me wrong the Liar certainly is the one who caused the poor childs death and no one else. And she should be punished for it serverly. I am just saying that perhaps none of this would have happened if circumstances had been different and it appears Cindy controlled much of those circumstances. Sad but true.

But that's the thing. Casey saying she wanted to give her up and Casey actually giving her up are two entirely different things. Personally, it's not something I think she ever would have done. She may not have wanted the responsibility of taking care of Caylee herself, but I don't think giving her daughter to someone else to raise was an option Casey ever really considered. Caylee's death, IMO, is proof of that. But, if she had actually given her up, I don't see any reason why George and Cindy couldn't have adopted her. It's the fact that she didn't do it that prevented them from doing so, IMO.

[Twinners]

Not really. Caylee has been dead for seven months. When are they going to do something? One year? Wakes are done before the burial. It's no big deal. Wait too long and what's the purpose - more attention? More money?
Maybe it just comes down to what each family feels comfortable with Gator? Not sure. I can only speak for myself and say that if I were in a similar situation, I would probably be more comfortable waiting until either just before or just after she was properly buried to have any kind of service. I think knowing Caylee's remains are still being poked and prodded by the defense is the main reason I feel that way. If she was at rest, even in just a box at the funeral home, then I'd probably feel differently.

[Amy]

But that's the thing. Casey saying she wanted to give her up and Casey actually giving her up are two entirely different things. Personally, it's not something I think she ever would have done. She may not have wanted the responsibility of taking care of Caylee herself, but I don't think giving her daughter to someone else to raise was an option Casey ever really considered. Caylee's death, IMO, is proof of that. But, if she had actually given her up, I don't see any reason why George and Cindy couldn't have adopted her. It's the fact that she didn't do it that prevented them from doing so, IMO.

I believe putting the baby up for adoption ("the baby" as known before she was born and a reality) probably DID cross Casey's mind. And, who knows, she might very well have done that, except I do believe there was pressure from @ least Cindy to keep the baby, promises of help both financially and with the day-to-day care.

[lissyanne1]

Good morning, does anyone know when the toxicology reports are supposed to be in? It's seems like it has taken alot longer time than usual.

[lorettalockhorn]

The Liar never, ever, had any intention of putting Caylee up for adoption. She told Kiomarie what she wanted to hear, probably to see what she could get out of her and probably scare Cindy into doing whatever she wanted her to do. The Liar told Jesse that she would never carry a baby for 9 months and then give it to someone else. She's too selfish to do that. She saw Caylee as a means of attention and money. Cindy and George did offer to adopt Caylee many times, but was refused.

Didn't know that! What? Casey didn't want to lose her tax exemption? Meal ticket? Seems like she would have traded that for her freedom, doesn't it?

[Lodi]

Again I ask, what has Caylee come to teach the world? In order to endure the painful case we are studying, I have to place Caylee in the mix as an angel who came to teach the world something. She chose to suffer, it was her sacrifice and her gift. Can it be that there are some families out there with Casey type relatives who are capable of this? Has Caylee died to warn them and to save other children?

Excuse me today, I'm feeling very spiritual because this murder is so hard to swallow.

Maybe Caylee's story will save children just by making some parents think over their own screwed up families and decide to do better.

[SaraSidle]

Watch out for the yellow snow! Those meter readers are trouble!

tell me about it. LOL glad I am in the city or they would get in real trouble.

[Justice Denied?]

Well, I have no explanation or theory for that at all. I am just speechless which isn't easy to do and worth a lot of money to some.

Gator

I have an idea. Maybe the idea was that if she was driving Cindy's SUV she wasn't driving her own car. .that would give someone else an opportunity to put the body in the trunk. Just a possibility they were thinking that way.

[SaraSidle]

Until decomp was confirmed in the trunk, there was a 1% chance that Caylee was actually missing. How could anyone hunker down in silence when there was any chance at all? If only perfect people's kids went missing, there would never be a search.

I'm not going to defend family dynamics or shirts or postponed services. Just say, one person here is a killer, and Cindy is not the one who is charged.

ITA cannot wait for justice

[Twinners]

I believe putting the baby up for adoption ("the baby" as known before she was born and a reality) probably DID cross Casey's mind. And, who knows, she might very well have done that, except I do believe there was pressure from @ least Cindy to keep the baby, promises of help both financially and with the day-to-day care.
I don't have any problem believing it crossed her mind. I just can't believe it was ever something she seriously considered. She is too controlling and selfish for it to have, IMO.

As far as Cindy goes, I'm sure she did offer to help Casey with the baby. I don't know a mother/grandmother who wouldn't, especially if their young, single daughter came to them and said she wanted to keep the baby, but wasn't sure she could handle all the day-to-day responsibilities of having a child. That's something I could easily see Casey saying to Cindy. She is a master manipulator, after all.

[SaraSidle]

LOL!!! I think Sara was kidding. "Were are all one," quote Obama! He's got it right.

Aye! Piason!

I am Irish Catholic but I usually eat Italian. Tomorrow is going to be so cool. MLK would be so happy!!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

2 thoughts here, which came to me as I was falling asleep............

Anyone know if LE got the Verizon records from the 'psychic' who spoke with D. Casey?
and

Does anyone here know if the vacant house (owned by Gonzalez family)was ever checked by cadaver dogs? That house was vacant for over a year. Casey, I'm sure, knew this and possibly used it as a temporary holding spot.

OT ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Guido, Wop, Goombah, Guidette, Guinea, Dago, Grease Ball, hey it's all good....They can say what they want, any stugats that says mean stuff like that about Italians....We have DaVinci, Bottecelli, Balenciagna, ETC ,ETC AND the best food and wine in the world! No offense taken from us Italians!! Everyone come on over for some fettucini alfredo! Bring your best dishes and we'll mangia! Dan, Gator, whaataya making?

http://i39.tinypic.com/4vskdt.jpg

making me hungry OS. I have had pasta 2 nights in a row now!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

You, myself, and many others on this thread have been through many things and learned from those 'hard knocks in life'. In many instances, it HAS ASOLUTELY made us better people, and we can only hope that a lesson (in being privy to this family) is to understand and learn by others mistakes. Some do, Some don't, and that is just the way of the world....

If you noticed, I have been joking a lot lately. It's MY way of dealing with this story, this sadness, because everynite my mind hears "You tired Poppa? I will remember that little voice for the rest of my life. Certain pictures of Caylee stay in my mind also, as with ones of my daughter on the potty, and other silly things that stay with us forever.


Ariana & Alana ..........then.
http://i41.tinypic.com/1581083.jpg

the song does it to me!!!!!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

Anthony Attorney Expected To Seek Change Of Venue
Trial Could Be Moved To Jacksonville, Miami

POSTED: 9:54 am EST January 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:00 am EST January 19, 2009

The attorney for Casey Anthony is expected to ask for a change of venue for her trial.

Attorney Jose Baez is expected to request the change this week.

Legal experts and other attorneys said they can't imagine the judge holding the trial in Orlando because of all the publicity the case has attracted.

The trial will likely be moved to another metropolitan area like Jacksonville or Miami.

But it is possible for jurors from other parts of the state to be brought to Orlando and sequestered.

Either option will be costly.

"The more complicated the case gets, the more money it costs the taxpayer to try this ... You have to move everybody, the court reporters, the attorneys," attorney Leticia Marques said.

It's not clear exactly when the change of venue motion will be filed, but it could come as early as this week.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

I don't have any problem believing it crossed her mind. I just can't believe it was ever something she seriously considered. She is too controlling and selfish for it to have, IMO.

As far as Cindy goes, I'm sure she did offer to help Casey with the baby. I don't know a mother/grandmother who wouldn't, especially if their young, single daughter came to them and said she wanted to keep the baby, but wasn't sure she could handle all the day-to-day responsibilities of having a child. That's something I could easily see Casey saying to Cindy. She is a master manipulator, after all.

this is true Cindy was in counseling and was trying to figure out a way to adopt Caylee which would end Casey's meal ticket. IMO

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony Parents Conflicted Like Child-Killer Parents
Published Jan 17, 2009, by ■ Carol Forsloff

Susan Smith’s mother, Linda, has written a book about her daughter and her dilemma as mother of a convicted killer. She isn’t alone.

Jeffrey Dahmer’s father wrote one too. Will the parents of Casey Anthony, if their daughter is convicted of killing her daughter Caylee, write a book? The ultimate pain and shame of parents of children who kill is born out by their stories, some shown in the press at the time, and some told later by way of the books they write.

Casey Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, were on the news frequently imploring for anyone who had seen their little granddaughter Caylee to come forward. They were reported to have wavered about the guilt or innocence of their daughter Casey. In the eyes of the public, as reflected in the stories written about this case, they are portrayed as either being too much in denial about their daughter’s possible guilt or victims themselves in this tragedy. Given this wide swing in social perception, how could it not be difficult for these people?

Susan Smith’s childhood was reported to be seriously troubled with her mother, Linda, having married at the age of 17 and the family involved in intense arguing that led one of Susan’s brothers, Michael, to attempt suicide. Her parents divorce was an emotionally fraught experience for everyone, it was said, so much so that Susan’s father, Harry, committed suicide. Susan was sexually abused by her stepfather, Beverly Russel, for years, an issue that continued despite family counseling. So Susan’s mother lives with the killing of her grandchildren, the imprisonment of her daughter for their death, and the memories of the sex abuse also. That contributes to the Linda’s ultimate pain. Linda Smith wrote her book My Daughter Susan Smith, for the following reasons, as she has explained;

My daughter Susan Smith was never a violent person, never abused her children. She never committed an act of any kind that those close to her could point to later as an omen of the killing of her children. She loved them dearly. They were her life. But she sent 3-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alex to their deaths in John D. Long Lake on a dark October night. In the 6 years since Susan was found guilty of murder, I am just now beginning to understand the silent devastation of mental illness. Obviously, I have to accept that Susan was responsible for the deaths of her children. But where does responsibility lie for what happened along the way that got her in that mental shape?
This book is a quest for understanding--for myself and for others.


Later on an author by the name of Don Davis in 1997 wrote a book entitled Hush Little Babies: The True Story Of A Mother Who Murdered Her Own in which both the lives of Linda and Susan were told. Linda remains grieved, it is said, over the circumstances of her life and that of her daughter, Susan. As of the last report of the family, it was said the members remain silent about the case these days. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...an-smith_x.htm

Lionel Dahmer, father of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer, has written his story as well, simply titled A Father’s Story. The contents of the book are described like this:


A Father's Story' chronicles Lionel Dahmer's reflections and reminiscences of his son, Jeffrey, a serial killer. Despite the gory crimes committed by his son, the elder Dahmer finds it hard to judge Jeffrey the way his accusers have. The worst imaginable nightmare for most parents is to discover that one of their children has been murdered. For Lionel Dahmer, the discovery that Jeffrey Dahmer, his son, had murdered so many other people's children is what has turned his life into an unimaginable nightmare. Arrested at his Milwaukee apartment in 1991 and sentenced to 957 years in prison, Jeffrey Dahmer had taken the lives of seventeen men,


Some authors have discussed Lionel Dahmer’s book and the confusions he relates and have declared that in many ways, Jeffrey Dahmer was his father’s son. Those stories that will likely continue are sure to continue the pain of Dahmer’s family.

Now Cindy and George Anthony stand in the same place as other parents with a daughter accused of killing the granddaughter they loved. The public, as with other cases, is likely to be confused as they vacillate between concern for these parents and grandparents and problems concerning any issues the prosecution finds related to them. It won’t be easy for them at the trial, or certainly the future, as the cases of other parents have painfully shown.

Brad Conway, the attorney who represents George and Cindy Anthony, told Meredith Viera on the Today Show Friday that the Anthony's stand by their daughter but haven't visited her since late October because they have no privacy with her, and they need that. The Sentinel reviewed the broadcast, writing that Conway underlined the Anthony's affection for their daughter but that they don't visit because they don't want videotapes of their visits broadcast all over the country. He also said that the Anthonys asked for immunity in order to have protection for statements they may need to make regarding the case. They are reported to have conflicts and grief regarding the events surrounding their daughter and the death of their granddaughter.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/264954

[SaraSidle]

I used to work at a funeral home (driving ambulance only) and you would not believe how many people leave their cremated loved ones at the funeral home. I kept my brother at my house for 5 years waiting for my dad to pass and then we buried them both with my mom. But I so knew that their souls were in Heaven looking down at us that is did not matter. but it has been comforting they are all buried together and I will be joining them some day. figuratively too. Happy MLK Day. sara IMO

[SaraSidle]

Casey Anthony Parents Conflicted Like Child-Killer Parents
Published Jan 17, 2009, by ■ Carol Forsloff

Susan Smith’s mother, Linda, has written a book about her daughter and her dilemma as mother of a convicted killer. She isn’t alone.

Jeffrey Dahmer’s father wrote one too. Will the parents of Casey Anthony, if their daughter is convicted of killing her daughter Caylee, write a book? The ultimate pain and shame of parents of children who kill is born out by their stories, some shown in the press at the time, and some told later by way of the books they write.

Casey Anthony’s parents, George and Cindy Anthony, were on the news frequently imploring for anyone who had seen their little granddaughter Caylee to come forward. They were reported to have wavered about the guilt or innocence of their daughter Casey. In the eyes of the public, as reflected in the stories written about this case, they are portrayed as either being too much in denial about their daughter’s possible guilt or victims themselves in this tragedy. Given this wide swing in social perception, how could it not be difficult for these people?

Susan Smith’s childhood was reported to be seriously troubled with her mother, Linda, having married at the age of 17 and the family involved in intense arguing that led one of Susan’s brothers, Michael, to attempt suicide. Her parents divorce was an emotionally fraught experience for everyone, it was said, so much so that Susan’s father, Harry, committed suicide. Susan was sexually abused by her stepfather, Beverly Russel, for years, an issue that continued despite family counseling. So Susan’s mother lives with the killing of her grandchildren, the imprisonment of her daughter for their death, and the memories of the sex abuse also. That contributes to the Linda’s ultimate pain. Linda Smith wrote her book My Daughter Susan Smith, for the following reasons, as she has explained;

My daughter Susan Smith was never a violent person, never abused her children. She never committed an act of any kind that those close to her could point to later as an omen of the killing of her children. She loved them dearly. They were her life. But she sent 3-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alex to their deaths in John D. Long Lake on a dark October night. In the 6 years since Susan was found guilty of murder, I am just now beginning to understand the silent devastation of mental illness. Obviously, I have to accept that Susan was responsible for the deaths of her children. But where does responsibility lie for what happened along the way that got her in that mental shape?
This book is a quest for understanding--for myself and for others.


Later on an author by the name of Don Davis in 1997 wrote a book entitled Hush Little Babies: The True Story Of A Mother Who Murdered Her Own in which both the lives of Linda and Susan were told. Linda remains grieved, it is said, over the circumstances of her life and that of her daughter, Susan. As of the last report of the family, it was said the members remain silent about the case these days. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...an-smith_x.htm

Lionel Dahmer, father of serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer, has written his story as well, simply titled A Father’s Story. The contents of the book are described like this:


A Father's Story' chronicles Lionel Dahmer's reflections and reminiscences of his son, Jeffrey, a serial killer. Despite the gory crimes committed by his son, the elder Dahmer finds it hard to judge Jeffrey the way his accusers have. The worst imaginable nightmare for most parents is to discover that one of their children has been murdered. For Lionel Dahmer, the discovery that Jeffrey Dahmer, his son, had murdered so many other people's children is what has turned his life into an unimaginable nightmare. Arrested at his Milwaukee apartment in 1991 and sentenced to 957 years in prison, Jeffrey Dahmer had taken the lives of seventeen men,


Some authors have discussed Lionel Dahmer’s book and the confusions he relates and have declared that in many ways, Jeffrey Dahmer was his father’s son. Those stories that will likely continue are sure to continue the pain of Dahmer’s family.

Now Cindy and George Anthony stand in the same place as other parents with a daughter accused of killing the granddaughter they loved. The public, as with other cases, is likely to be confused as they vacillate between concern for these parents and grandparents and problems concerning any issues the prosecution finds related to them. It won’t be easy for them at the trial, or certainly the future, as the cases of other parents have painfully shown.

Brad Conway, the attorney who represents George and Cindy Anthony, told Meredith Viera on the Today Show Friday that the Anthony's stand by their daughter but haven't visited her since late October because they have no privacy with her, and they need that. The Sentinel reviewed the broadcast, writing that Conway underlined the Anthony's affection for their daughter but that they don't visit because they don't want videotapes of their visits broadcast all over the country. He also said that the Anthonys asked for immunity in order to have protection for statements they may need to make regarding the case. They are reported to have conflicts and grief regarding the events surrounding their daughter and the death of their granddaughter.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/264954

Wonderful post O2S. If the Anthony's wrote a book (I do not think they could do it themselves) it would be all about the kidnapping by the babysitter at this point. Hopefully they will face the truth soon and accept it. Painful as it is. IMO sara

[Gatordog]

2 thoughts here, which came to me as I was falling asleep............

Anyone know if LE got the Verizon records from the 'psychic' who spoke with D. Casey?
and

Does anyone here know if the vacant house (owned by Gonzalez family)was ever checked by cadaver dogs? That house was vacant for over a year. Casey, I'm sure, knew this and possibly used it as a temporary holding spot.

OT ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Guido, Wop, Goombah, Guidette, Guinea, Dago, Grease Ball, hey it's all good....They can say what they want, any stugats that says mean stuff like that about Italians....We have DaVinci, Bottecelli, Balenciagna, ETC ,ETC AND the best food and wine in the world! No offense taken from us Italians!! Everyone come on over for some fettucini alfredo! Bring your best dishes and we'll mangia! Dan, Gator, whaataya making?

http://i39.tinypic.com/4vskdt.jpg

I will make the peasants' feast - pasta aioli. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink061.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

For those of you who don't know what that is, it's pasta with garlic and oil. Sort of shrimp scampi without the shrimp. It's oooooh so good. But don't burn the garlic, it has to stay sweet. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink020.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[joekuhl79]

Anthony Attorney Expected To Seek Change Of Venue
Trial Could Be Moved To Jacksonville, Miami

POSTED: 9:54 am EST January 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:00 am EST January 19, 2009

The attorney for Casey Anthony is expected to ask for a change of venue for her trial.

Attorney Jose Baez is expected to request the change this week.

Legal experts and other attorneys said they can't imagine the judge holding the trial in Orlando because of all the publicity the case has attracted.

The trial will likely be moved to another metropolitan area like Jacksonville or Miami.

But it is possible for jurors from other parts of the state to be brought to Orlando and sequestered.

Either option will be costly.

"The more complicated the case gets, the more money it costs the taxpayer to try this ... You have to move everybody, the court reporters, the attorneys," attorney Leticia Marques said.

It's not clear exactly when the change of venue motion will be filed, but it could come as early as this week.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

WHAT A WASTE!!! Jose BS is such a dumbass! Change of venue...it's not a matter of publicity....it's a matter of stupidity! BS is not going to find a jury ANYWHERE that is stupid enough to buy what Liar and him are selling! Ugh! That smug smile...I can't stand that guy!


I've been out for a while, but my comment on the 'lost' jail video: that would be enough to convict Liar if they play that at the trial, IMO. Cindy is so upset she can't even speak on the phone, and what does Liar do? Try to console her mother (who she herself did this to)? NO! She laughs at her. LAUGHS AT HER?!?!?!?! What a effing beotch!

[Gatordog]

Didn't know that! What? Casey didn't want to lose her tax exemption? Meal ticket? Seems like she would have traded that for her freedom, doesn't it?

Way back in the first few days, on NG she talked with a young woman who used to live next door and has children. She used to watch Caylee before she moved. She said that Cindy had offered many times to adopt Caylee. She even offered to just take guardianship and when Casey decided she wanted to be a mother again, Cindy would give her back. The Liar refused. JMO - she wouldn't do anything that her mother thought would be best for her or Caylee. What's the saying - cut your nose to spite your face.

Gator

Tax exemption - that's funny. As if she paid any taxes.

[Gatordog]

WHAT A WASTE!!! Jose BS is such a dumbass! Change of venue...it's not a matter of publicity....it's a matter of stupidity! BS is not going to find a jury ANYWHERE that is stupid enough to buy what Liar and him are selling! Ugh! That smug smile...I can't stand that guy!


I've been out for a while, but my comment on the 'lost' jail video: that would be enough to convict Liar if they play that at the trial, IMO. Cindy is so upset she can't even speak on the phone, and what does Liar do? Try to console her mother (who she herself did this to)? NO! She laughs at her. LAUGHS AT HER?!?!?!?! What a effing beotch!

Last week, NG had a psychologist on who made a lot of sense when she viewed that tape. She said the Liar asks why her mother is already crying because the Liar has no concept of how to feel during different situations. Being a sociopath, she has no inner feelings or compassion and copies what she sees and how people act in different situations. I said a while back that I noticed that the Liar repeats what her mother says or does. So it makes perfect sense that with no prior interaction at that point, that the Liar is confused as to why emotion is being shown.

Also, regarding change of venue - if I were the judge, I'd asked Bozo why should the venue be changed when Bozo is going on national TV (Fox News) and talking about the case?

Gator

Geez, what an insult to Bozo the Clown. I grew up watching Bozo.

[lorettalockhorn]

Way back in the first few days, on NG she talked with a young woman who used to live next door and has children. She used to watch Caylee before she moved. She said that Cindy had offered many times to adopt Caylee. She even offered to just take guardianship and when Casey decided she wanted to be a mother again, Cindy would give her back. The Liar refused. JMO - she wouldn't do anything that her mother thought would be best for her or Caylee. What's the saying - cut your nose to spite your face.

Gator

Tax exemption - that's funny. As if she paid any taxes.

Wow, I've never heard word one about this. She actually heard Cindy offer to adopt or take guardianship? Or Cindy recounted this? Um let's just say I'll take that all with a grain of salt; Cindy can lie like a big dog. (No offense to big dogs.)

I have no idea about Casey's tax status, but I hope that one of the things that the prosecution is looking at is her tax returns if she ever filed one. One of the things that means so much to me as far as G&C's blind eye with regard to just how sociopathic Casey is, is that there should have been W2s and W4s, and child care credits, etc. ad nauseum.

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone know if George and Casey ever had the one on one visit that they talked about in the "lost" video? They called it private, but we know that they know that they were being recorded.

[SaraSidle]

I will make the peasants' feast - pasta aioli. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink061.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

For those of you who don't know what that is, it's pasta with garlic and oil. Sort of shrimp scampi without the shrimp. It's oooooh so good. But don't burn the garlic, it has to stay sweet. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink020.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

How can you Live in Florida and not serve shrimp????? something is missing

[SaraSidle]

Last week, NG had a psychologist on who made a lot of sense when she viewed that tape. She said the Liar asks why her mother is already crying because the Liar has no concept of how to feel during different situations. Being a sociopath, she has no inner feelings or compassion and copies what she sees and how people act in different situations. I said a while back that I noticed that the Liar repeats what her mother says or does. So it makes perfect sense that with no prior interaction at that point, that the Liar is confused as to why emotion is being shown.

Also, regarding change of venue - if I were the judge, I'd asked Bozo why should the venue be changed when Bozo is going on national TV (Fox News) and talking about the case?

Gator

Geez, what an insult to Bozo the Clown. I grew up watching Bozo.

I agree with growing up with Bozo. It really is an insult. I even have the same color of hair..............almost. sara

[SaraSidle]

You, myself, and many others on this thread have been through many things and learned from those 'hard knocks in life'. In many instances, it HAS ASOLUTELY made us better people, and we can only hope that a lesson (in being privy to this family) is to understand and learn by others mistakes. Some do, Some don't, and that is just the way of the world....

If you noticed, I have been joking a lot lately. It's MY way of dealing with this story, this sadness, because everynite my mind hears "You tired Poppa? I will remember that little voice for the rest of my life. Certain pictures of Caylee stay in my mind also, as with ones of my daughter on the potty, and other silly things that stay with us forever.


Ariana & Alana ..........then.
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too cute

[mu8shark]

Last night(s) shows were very disappointing. At this point everything is redundant, and it's just to keep people watching for the ratings. Greta did ask a few questions of Conway, which were relevant ~ why were the police at Anthony's house, what did it have to do with etc. The camerman should get his ass kicked. Instead of showing the humongous, beautiful memorial to Caylee, the sucker zoomed in on Greta ~ WTH cares about her talking face, show what this child meant to the people and locals in the area who put this memorial up! Asswipe!

Fair reporting? Was that a good interview she had with Baez? What kind of information did it give? Nothing. All for ratings. Pfffft.

I for one am very happy to hear Casey at least saw one NG show, and heard the callers (hopefully). Don't forget, this video was in Aug. and she came out for a while after this interview. Didn't seem to change anything, she just sat at home on the couch anyway ~ parent's opinion, public opinion, no one else's opinion means anything. I hope she heard Lazzaro talking about her, and Jesse! " After Caylee went missing, she acted no different" ~gotta love it, because by then she knew her daughter was 'taken' and showed her indifference about it..good for the Pros! Hmmm what can Lazzaro think about the fact that he sat there smooching and watching movies with her while Caylee was in the trunk?

I see you guys have been discussing George lying about seeing Caylee on the 16th. That doesn't make sense, as he talked about that day early in the case, and she WAS seen the day before ...She was with Cindy visiting Cindy's parents. He hasn't lied to LE, he's been straight up on every discussion with LE. It wouldn't make sense that he was lying about that. It was his last memory of Caylee, bouncing out the door. The last time he saw her................:( I completely agree on this. Lying about seeing her on the 16th makes no sense to me. If he did or did not see her on te 16th it really does not help her case. I think he is telling the truth on that and when he gets away from Cindy he tends to tell the truth. There may or may not have been a discussion or argument he is not reporting but I do think he saw her. JMO

[mu8shark]

WHAT A WASTE!!! Jose BS is such a dumbass! Change of venue...it's not a matter of publicity....it's a matter of stupidity! BS is not going to find a jury ANYWHERE that is stupid enough to buy what Liar and him are selling! Ugh! That smug smile...I can't stand that guy!


I've been out for a while, but my comment on the 'lost' jail video: that would be enough to convict Liar if they play that at the trial, IMO. Cindy is so upset she can't even speak on the phone, and what does Liar do? Try to console her mother (who she herself did this to)? NO! She laughs at her. LAUGHS AT HER?!?!?!?! What a effing beotch! For the life of me I can't figure out why Baez so wanted this tape out that he went to court to do it. It is the single worst tape for his client. I know he says he advised not to do anymore visits without him and so it is LE's fault that she did, but really she made the choice to do it. I am sure they did not say you will see your parents. So his reasoning to release it makes me question his judgement .

[mu8shark]

All the local news shows are now reporting that the Anthonys are still selling the where's Caylee shirts. They are pointing the finger towards Cindy. Still no funeral date. I don't understand why they can't hold the public memorial now and then have the family service with the burial. It would serve them right if no one showed up but went to the Suburban Drive site instead.

Gator Selling these shirts still is just macabre and greedy. And as for the memorial if Cindy has her way no one will get to honor Caylee but people who support Cindy and Casey.

[mu8shark]

just wondering Did you know Cindy was starting adoption proceedings? I thought not That is stretching it a bit. , She talked to a counselor about her problems with Casey and the counselor suggested it. I don't recall seeing anything about her actually filing papers or anything even close to it. If anyone can find an article or documents that show she did start the proceedings, I will stand corrected.

[lorettalockhorn]

Last night(s) shows were very disappointing. At this point everything is redundant, and it's just to keep people watching for the ratings. Greta did ask a few questions of Conway, which were relevant ~ why were the police at Anthony's house, what did it have to do with etc. The camerman should get his ass kicked. Instead of showing the humongous, beautiful memorial to Caylee, the sucker zoomed in on Greta ~ WTH cares about her talking face, show what this child meant to the people and locals in the area who put this memorial up! Asswipe!

Fair reporting? Was that a good interview she had with Baez? What kind of information did it give? Nothing. All for ratings. Pfffft.

I for one am very happy to hear Casey at least saw one NG show, and heard the callers (hopefully). Don't forget, this video was in Aug. and she came out for a while after this interview. Didn't seem to change anything, she just sat at home on the couch anyway ~ parent's opinion, public opinion, no one else's opinion means anything. I hope she heard Lazzaro talking about her, and Jesse! " After Caylee went missing, she acted no different" ~gotta love it, because by then she knew her daughter was 'taken' and showed her indifference about it..good for the Pros! Hmmm what can Lazzaro think about the fact that he sat there smooching and watching movies with her while Caylee was in the trunk?

I see you guys have been discussing George lying about seeing Caylee on the 16th. That doesn't make sense, as he talked about that day early in the case, and she WAS seen the day before ...She was with Cindy visiting Cindy's parents. He hasn't lied to LE, he's been straight up on every discussion with LE. It wouldn't make sense that he was lying about that. It was his last memory of Caylee, bouncing out the door. The last time he saw her................:( I completely agree on this. Lying about seeing her on the 16th makes no sense to me. If he did or did not see her on te 16th it really does not help her case. I think he is telling the truth on that and when he gets away from Cindy he tends to tell the truth. There may or may not have been a discussion or argument he is not reporting but I do think he saw her. JMO

Since George lied about chasing Casey in Cindy's SUV (for whatever reason that I cannot fathom), it's possible that he lied about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th. It's important (to me anyway), because it would indicate that it wasn't necessarily the choking incident that fueled Casey's murderous intent, but something entirely different. George could be lying to lessen the importance of that blowup. But mostly it makes me wonder is, whut the fack set Casey off? Simply the idea of watching movies with Tony and getting some?

[lorettalockhorn]

For the life of me I can't figure out why Baez so wanted this tape out that he went to court to do it. It is the single worst tape for his client. I know he says he advised not to do anymore visits without him and so it is LE's fault that she did, but really she made the choice to do it. I am sure they did not say you will see your parents. So his reasoning to release it makes me question his judgement .

Well, Geraldo has asserted that LE used George to manipulate Casey. Maybe the tape is supposed to prove that and simply falls short. What it does show is that Casey is cold and callous. Most especially towards Caylee.

Selling these shirts still is just macabre and greedy. And as for the memorial if Cindy has her way no one will get to honor Caylee but people who support Cindy and Casey.

Amen. But don't you wonder who is controlling the memorial service? Cindy or Casey?

[Amy]

Didn't know that! What? Casey didn't want to lose her tax exemption? Meal ticket? Seems like she would have traded that for her freedom, doesn't it?

I had read that Cindy was contemplating getting custody of Caylee (which is not adoption) but never read anything that suggested she and George ever offered, or even tho't about adopting Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

That is stretching it a bit. , She talked to a counselor about her problems with Casey and the counselor suggested it. I don't recall seeing anything about her actually filing papers or anything even close to it. If anyone can find an article or documents that show she did start the proceedings, I will stand corrected.

Man, at this point, I won't believe that Cindy even talked to a counselor until I see it verified by a third party.

[mu8shark]

I believe putting the baby up for adoption ("the baby" as known before she was born and a reality) probably DID cross Casey's mind. And, who knows, she might very well have done that, except I do believe there was pressure from @ least Cindy to keep the baby, promises of help both financially and with the day-to-day care. I agree. I did not get the impression that Cindy and George constantly talked about adopting Caylee. It was a recent thing as far as they were concerned because of the visit to the counselor. If I remember correctly Ricks posts do not say that CIndy and George wanted to adopt Caylee from the outset but the visit to the counselor after all this stolen money and irresponsibility put the idea in Cindys miind. And I it was I think an informal idea, no proceedings had been started. The press would have found that out by now if they had filed anything.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=mu8shark;9154815]

Since George lied about chasing Casey in Cindy's SUV (for whatever reason that I cannot fathom), it's possible that he lied about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th. It's important (to me anyway), because it would indicate that it wasn't necessarily the choking incident that fueled Casey's murderous intent, but something entirely different. George could be lying to lessen the importance of that blowup. But mostly it makes me wonder is, whut the fack set Casey off? Simply the idea of watching movies with Tony and getting some? Well just in my opinion if the neighbors heard that blowup and it was reported they did, it must have been quite a row. And if she told her she was going to throw her out and get custody of Caylee and choked her, maybe she just decided it was time to do it. Because obviously in March Casey was thinking about it , just did not work her way up to doing it yet. And she probably picked that day because she was furious and also as you pointed out, there was no one to watch Caylee that night. And it probably just sent her over the edge. I think just in my opinion that fight tipped her over the edge. But she had been thinking about it, according to the searches, which they will try to pin on George, but that's laughable.

[Amy]

Does anyone know if George and Casey ever had the one on one visit that they talked about in the "lost" video? They called it private, but we know that they know that they were being recorded.

I think that was the last visit--and the visit w/George did not occur. Baez put the kibosh on that--the recorded visit was also against his advise, so wonder why she listened to him about not meeting w/dad, but went ahead w/visiting w/both?

[mu8shark]

I had read that Cindy was contemplating getting custody of Caylee (which is not adoption) but never read anything that suggested she and George ever offered, or even tho't about adopting Caylee.Excellent, excellent point when you go back and look at that article regarding Cindys supposed visit to the counselor, it was indeed custody and not adoption the counselor suggested.

[Amy]

For the life of me I can't figure out why Baez so wanted this tape out that he went to court to do it. It is the single worst tape for his client. I know he says he advised not to do anymore visits without him and so it is LE's fault that she did, but really she made the choice to do it. I am sure they did not say you will see your parents. So his reasoning to release it makes me question his judgement .

I agree. If his point is that there was police misconduct because Casey had this visit w/her family--he REALLY, REALLY needs to go back to law school--basics 101. I don't have a law background, but I see a few things here.

1. POLICE had not one thing to do with allowing this visit to take place. That would be under the jurisdiction of the JAIL personnel--and while they may all work for OCSO--POLICE and JAILERS are two different departments.

2. BAEZ can ADVISE his client, but HIS CLIENT can make her own decisions--even if they go against his advise. Parents show up (or, heck, maybe she let them know to come.) Jailers say, you have visitors. I guess they could remind her that Jose advised not to visit, but it's not their place--Casey already knows what Jose told her. Her choice--to see her visitors, or to decline. It's not the jailers' responsibility to refuse visitation for her.

3. Jose Baez has not a leg to stand on to try to prove that there is police misconduct, because I didn't see a policeman there, holding a gun to Casey's head to MAKE her visit w/her parents. IMO

[mu8shark]

This is taken from Cindy Anthonys brothers post which some of has been posted on here under another thread, so it is safe to say that this is where this came from and Eyewitness news said a source also told them this. I tend to believe that this poster is her brother and probably has good info. I had totally forgotten he posted this until I was googling from the original article but at least it gives us a source, to evaluate. Ricks quote.{"Cindy was going to file for custody of Caylee. Casey and Cindy were fighting before all this happened. Casey had stolen money from Cindy’s mom and dad and Cindy was fed up with Casey’s behavior. Cindy went to a counselor and the counselor told Cindy to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried that Casey would take Caylee with her. The counselor told Cindy to file for custody. Casey took Caylee to punish Cindy. That is what Cindy thought for a few weeks anyway"

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9154820] Well just in my opinion if the neighbors heard that blowup and it was reported they did, it must have been quite a row. And if she told her she was going to throw her out and get custody of Caylee and choked her, maybe she just decided it was time to do it. Because obviously in March Casey was thinking about it , just did not work her way up to doing it yet. And she probably picked that day because she was furious and also as you pointed out, there was no one to watch Caylee that night. And it probably just sent her over the edge. I think just in my opinion that fight tipped her over the edge. But she had been thinking about it, according to the searches, which they will try to pin on George, but that's laughable.

ITA! But it is ridiculous to me that Casey didn't kill Caylee the 15th instead of more than twelve hours later on the sixteenth. & unless the prosecution can ascertain for the jury exactly what other activities the computer was being used for to point to either George or Caylee doing those searches, I think the jury will decide that it was Casey. Just as Camp Casey says about her, I'll say about George; just because he's a liar doesn't mean he's a murderer. I'm really eager for George to re-interviewed and hoping that he's not still so deep in denial as his better or worse half. Maybe we'll find out exactly what conflicting statements he gave the first time around.

Oh the board is doing that weird thing where it mis-assigns the quotes. So confusing!

[Amy]

That is stretching it a bit. , She talked to a counselor about her problems with Casey and the counselor suggested it. I don't recall seeing anything about her actually filing papers or anything even close to it. If anyone can find an article or documents that show she did start the proceedings, I will stand corrected.

All I remember reading/seeing had to do with Cindy taking CUSTODY of Caylee which is NOT the same as adopting Caylee.

[mu8shark]

I agree. If his point is that there was police misconduct because Casey had this visit w/her family--he REALLY, REALLY needs to go back to law school--basics 101. I don't have a law background, but I see a few things here.

1. POLICE had not one thing to do with allowing this visit to take place. That would be under the jurisdiction of the JAIL personnel--and while they may all work for OCSO--POLICE and JAILERS are two different departments.

2. BAEZ can ADVISE his client, but HIS CLIENT can make her own decisions--even if they go against his advise. Parents show up (or, heck, maybe she let them know to come.) Jailers say, you have visitors. I guess they could remind her that Jose advised not to visit, but it's not their place--Casey already knows what Jose told her. Her choice--to see her visitors, or to decline. It's not the jailers' responsibility to refuse visitation for her.

3. Jose Baez has not a leg to stand on to try to prove that there is police misconduct, because I didn't see a policeman there, holding a gun to Casey's head to MAKE her visit w/her parents. IMO Exactly! There are very few reasons why LE , the jailers can deny her a visit, prisoner misconduct, ie she got in a fight or broke rules and is being punished or if a known convicted felon comes to visit, they can deny her visit. But they can't tell her to mind her lawyer!!!

[Amy]

Man, at this point, I won't believe that Cindy even talked to a counselor until I see it verified by a third party.

You have a point. She tells LE that she had been to a lawyer about seeing to it that, if anything happened to Casey, that she (and George? or just she?) would have sole custody of Caylee. Which seemed pretty wierd--considering they were maintaining that baby daddy was DEAD, and there did not seem to be anyone from his family looking for Caylee. But, the point is, LE checked w/the lawyer that CINDY named, and he had no file about the A's. Could very well be that she is just saying she saw a therapist. Could be that she did, but it's hard to know WHAT part of her statements to believe.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is taken from Cindy Anthonys brothers post which some of has been posted on here under another thread, so it is safe to say that this is where this came from and Eyewitness news said a source also told them this. I tend to believe that this poster is her brother and probably has good info. I had totally forgotten he posted this until I was googling from the original article but at least it gives us a source, to evaluate. Ricks quote.{"Cindy was going to file for custody of Caylee. Casey and Cindy were fighting before all this happened. Casey had stolen money from Cindy’s mom and dad and Cindy was fed up with Casey’s behavior. Cindy went to a counselor and the counselor told Cindy to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried that Casey would take Caylee with her. The counselor told Cindy to file for custody. Casey took Caylee to punish Cindy. That is what Cindy thought for a few weeks anyway"

As much as I appreciate Rick's insight into the Ants, and he has given us a lot (of juicy tidbits) to think about, I do take what he says with a grain of salt since it would seem that he and Cindy have a pretty tumultuous relationship. I guess I should qualify that I probably won't believe that Cindy spoke with a counselor until I see it verified by trustworthy third party.

[lorettalockhorn]

You have a point. She tells LE that she had been to a lawyer about seeing to it that, if anything happened to Casey, that she (and George? or just she?) would have sole custody of Caylee. Which seemed pretty wierd--considering they were maintaining that baby daddy was DEAD, and there did not seem to be anyone from his family looking for Caylee. But, the point is, LE checked w/the lawyer that CINDY named, and he had no file about the A's. Could very well be that she is just saying she saw a therapist. Could be that she did, but it's hard to know WHAT part of her statements to believe.

Well, good grief I hadn't read that either. Or my memory is shot! And does Cindy really need for an attorney to tell her that Casey would have been the one to decide who raised Caylee in the event of her death? And that if she didn't make arrangements that the court would decide?

Sheesh Does Cindy have hallucinations? Take medication?

[beachbum]

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Loretta I just love your little "Pee" man.

[mu8shark]

As much as I appreciate Rick's insight into the Ants, and he has given us a lot (of juicy tidbits) to think about, I do take what he says with a grain of salt since it would seem that he and Cindy have a pretty tumultuous relationship. I guess I should qualify that I probably won't believe that Cindy spoke with a counselor until I see it verified by trustworthy third party. I believe Rick and eyewitness news said a source told them as well. And Rick claims he did not talk to the news media. So somebody else told that story as well. . I don't find it that hard to believe that she would of gone to a counselor. She could probably use some counseling right about now. But now if the counselor said anything negative about Casey, "the mother of the year." Cindy would probably cut her off and tell her she is NOT coming to the memorial. But seriously, grief counseling can be of enormous benefit. When my father died I had a hard time and am not ashamed to admit I went to a grief counselor. Well going to a movie and out to dinner with my cousins so I will miss NG until the late showing of it. But will be on later. See ya all. Not too much new I guess except on TV they are talking about the Anthonys selling those t-shirts. It is kind of gross considering they are find Caylee t-shirts. Well supposedly money is going to charity but it is still inappropriate and remember Lee got some of the other money so he could INVESTIGATE, so I would not trust that money is going where they said it is.Might end up in her defense fund

[javahog]

For the life of me I can't figure out why Baez so wanted this tape out that he went to court to do it. It is the single worst tape for his client. I know he says he advised not to do anymore visits without him and so it is LE's fault that she did, but really she made the choice to do it. I am sure they did not say you will see your parents. So his reasoning to release it makes me question his judgement .

I think I figured it out, what Baez thinks the problem is. Early on, Casey comments that their visits have been released to the media and they would "have a field day". She indicates this is why Jose didn't want her to take any visits. She kind of talks over him (big surprise!) but George indicates that their conversation either won't be released or won't be recorded. then she comments on it again...

See, from http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ng.01.html

C. ANTHONY: I`m completely upset. One, the media is going to have a freaking field day with this. I wasn`t even.

G. ANTHONY: No, no.

C. ANTHONY: I wasn`t even supposed to tape this. Let me speak for a second. Dad, I let everybody talk.

G. ANTHONY: OK.

C. ANTHONY: They`re not releasing it, well, I hope not. I`ll keep saying whatever I have to about the police so they don`t let it go.

For some reason, George was either told by the LE that the conversation would be private, or he told Casey that. I bet THAT is what Baez is onto...

[Amy]

Well, good grief I hadn't read that either. Or my memory is shot! And does Cindy really need for an attorney to tell her that Casey would have been the one to decide who raised Caylee in the event of her death? And that if she didn't make arrangements that the court would decide?

Sheesh Does Cindy have hallucinations? Take medication?

I can't remember the point she was trying to make. My guess is that she tho't her seeing an attorney (or, it may have been "they" as in she and Casey) would impress LE, and I don't think she ever gave it a tho't that someone would NOT be taking her @ her word, but would actually CHECK INTO whatever statements she made.

[Amy]

snip......
so I would not trust that money is going where they said it is.Might end up in her defense fund

I would not buy tshirts or anything else, either, regardless of where they say the money would go. I don't NEED any more tshirts. I would send my money straight to say, TES or some nationally recognized missing child organization, and designate it as in memory of Caylee Anthony.

I just don't trust their idea of charity (which COULD mean either Casey's defense fund, or even to Casey's commissary fund.)

[javahog]

I would not buy tshirts or anything else, either, regardless of where they say the money would go. I don't NEED any more tshirts. I would send my money straight to say, TES or some nationally recognized missing child organization, and designate it as in memory of Caylee Anthony.

I just don't trust their idea of charity (which COULD mean either Casey's defense fund, or even to Casey's commissary fund.)

It really doesn't sound like it is a formally set up foundation or what have you if the checks are to be written to individuals rather than the org. I would be VERY cautious (I used to work for a non-profit, and this is NOT how it worked)

And, yeah, I doubt any of us want to buy Casey any Poptarts.

[SaraSidle]

As much as I appreciate Rick's insight into the Ants, and he has given us a lot (of juicy tidbits) to think about, I do take what he says with a grain of salt since it would seem that he and Cindy have a pretty tumultuous relationship. I guess I should qualify that I probably won't believe that Cindy spoke with a counselor until I see it verified by trustworthy third party.

Man that is not a problem for me. I know it was on a NG show but I have no idea which one. but Now that you have stated it twice the rest of us know how you feel!!!!!!!!!! we appreciate that. (P-A enough?)

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta I just love your little "Pee" man.

Isn't he a cutie pie? Reminds me of Frank Zappa; watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow. :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

I believe Rick and eyewitness news said a source told them as well. And Rick claims he did not talk to the news media. So somebody else told that story as well. . I don't find it that hard to believe that she would of gone to a counselor. She could probably use some counseling right about now. But now if the counselor said anything negative about Casey, "the mother of the year." Cindy would probably cut her off and tell her she is NOT coming to the memorial. But seriously, grief counseling can be of enormous benefit. When my father died I had a hard time and am not ashamed to admit I went to a grief counselor. Well going to a movie and out to dinner with my cousins so I will miss NG until the late showing of it. But will be on later. See ya all. Not too much new I guess except on TV they are talking about the Anthonys selling those t-shirts. It is kind of gross considering they are find Caylee t-shirts. Well supposedly money is going to charity but it is still inappropriate and remember Lee got some of the other money so he could INVESTIGATE, so I would not trust that money is going where they said it is.Might end up in her defense fund

Dinner and a movie sounds great! Be sure to let us know what you see, and in the meantime I'll look around for some sort of news source. Not doubting your word, just can't believe I didn't see it, or remember it. (And to be honest, my mind goes back to Nicole Ganguzza who was murdered in JBP, and in whose area the ZG computer was stolen.)

[lorettalockhorn]

I think I figured it out, what Baez thinks the problem is. Early on, Casey comments that their visits have been released to the media and they would "have a field day". She indicates this is why Jose didn't want her to take any visits. She kind of talks over him (big surprise!) but George indicates that their conversation either won't be released or won't be recorded. then she comments on it again...

See, from http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ng.01.html

C. ANTHONY: I`m completely upset. One, the media is going to have a freaking field day with this. I wasn`t even.

G. ANTHONY: No, no.

C. ANTHONY: I wasn`t even supposed to tape this. Let me speak for a second. Dad, I let everybody talk.

G. ANTHONY: OK.

C. ANTHONY: They`re not releasing it, well, I hope not. I`ll keep saying whatever I have to about the police so they don`t let it go.

For some reason, George was either told by the LE that the conversation would be private, or he told Casey that. I bet THAT is what Baez is onto...

That is interesting. The Ants know it's jail policy to record convos, and it was pointed out that LE might not have any control over that. But you have to wonder why that tape in particular would be held back. Besides Casey's heartless comments and temper tantrum, what did they talk about that would be considered classified. Was the promise to keep the tape from the public made before or after the visit??

[lorettalockhorn]

I would not buy tshirts or anything else, either, regardless of where they say the money would go. I don't NEED any more tshirts. I would send my money straight to say, TES or some nationally recognized missing child organization, and designate it as in memory of Caylee Anthony.

I just don't trust their idea of charity (which COULD mean either Casey's defense fund, or even to Casey's commissary fund.)

Exactly! Someone above reproach.

[lorettalockhorn]

Man that is not a problem for me. I know it was on a NG show but I have no idea which one. but Now that you have stated it twice the rest of us know how you feel!!!!!!!!!! we appreciate that. (P-A enough?)

Hey, at least I'm not telling people what is and isn't germane to the case. What's wrong with wanting a valid source?

[lorettalockhorn]

Found this, but WFTV doesn't name their source:

Eyewitness News also learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy was worried Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee.

Before that could happen, Casey and Caylee left and Cindy believed Casey kept Caylee out of touch just to punish her. Relatives said Caylee was more attached to her grandmother than she was to her own mother.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17421473/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

Hey, at least I'm not telling people what is and isn't germane to the case. What's wrong with wanting a valid source?

you go girl

[lorettalockhorn]

Entertainment Deals Could Be Paying For Casey's Defense

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered bold new allegations that secret entertainment deals could be helping to pay for Casey Anthony's defense. Sources tell Eyewitness News that someone complained to the State Attorney's Office about the funding Jose Baez is using toward Casey's defense.

Those sources told WFTV reporter Mary Nguyen the funding could be considered a major conflict of interest. Eyewitness News sources said the judge knows there's a concern about Baez's defense fund. He could decide it's baseless, but if he determines Baez did something wrong he could remove him from the case.

Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, has repeatedly avoided all questions about who is paying for his services, but sources told Eyewitness News the State Attorney's Office received at least one complaint, a complaint that Baez may have made a contingent deal with entertainment interests that means he gets paid based on the outcome of the case, which is banned by the Florida Bar...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18514454/detail.html

RAW INTERVIEW: WFTV Legal Analyst Discusses Allegations Casey's Attorney Is Profiting:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18514329/index.html

[Amy]

I wonder if Casey could function without her Jose by her side? :D

[One2Snoop]

Entertainment Deals Could Be Paying For Casey's Defense

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered bold new allegations that secret entertainment deals could be helping to pay for Casey Anthony's defense. Sources tell Eyewitness News that someone complained to the State Attorney's Office about the funding Jose Baez is using toward Casey's defense.

Those sources told WFTV reporter Mary Nguyen the funding could be considered a major conflict of interest. Eyewitness News sources said the judge knows there's a concern about Baez's defense fund. He could decide it's baseless, but if he determines Baez did something wrong he could remove him from the case.

Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, has repeatedly avoided all questions about who is paying for his services, but sources told Eyewitness News the State Attorney's Office received at least one complaint, a complaint that Baez may have made a contingent deal with entertainment interests that means he gets paid based on the outcome of the case, which is banned by the Florida Bar...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18514454/detail.html

RAW INTERVIEW: WFTV Legal Analyst Discusses Allegations Casey's Attorney Is Profiting:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18514329/index.html

Why does this not surprise me?

[javahog]

Entertainment Deals Could Be Paying For Casey's Defense

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered bold new allegations that secret entertainment deals could be helping to pay for Casey Anthony's defense. Sources tell Eyewitness News that someone complained to the State Attorney's Office about the funding Jose Baez is using toward Casey's defense.

Those sources told WFTV reporter Mary Nguyen the funding could be considered a major conflict of interest. Eyewitness News sources said the judge knows there's a concern about Baez's defense fund. He could decide it's baseless, but if he determines Baez did something wrong he could remove him from the case.

Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, has repeatedly avoided all questions about who is paying for his services, but sources told Eyewitness News the State Attorney's Office received at least one complaint, a complaint that Baez may have made a contingent deal with entertainment interests that means he gets paid based on the outcome of the case, which is banned by the Florida Bar...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18514454/detail.html

RAW INTERVIEW: WFTV Legal Analyst Discusses Allegations Casey's Attorney Is Profiting:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18514329/index.html

Well, we thought it was coming from someplace...untraditional...

Would the entertainment companies be in hot water, too, or would this be a bar violation? (i'm on dial-up right now, it might be on the video, sorry!)

[javahog]

I wonder if Casey could function without her Jose by her side? :D

If by "functioning" you mean devouring pop tarts and lounging, yep!

[SaraSidle]

If by "functioning" you mean devouring pop tarts and lounging, yep!

I cannot believe Equusearch spent so much time and money when Kronk knew where Caylee was. I think he and the Pi's shoud be sued at least to pay back Equusearch. If DH and I had money we would be donating. I am so impressed with him. He knew Caylee was close to home. And I cannot believe they are wasting taxpayers money by having the trial somewhere else. like none of us have kept up on this case. I would love a shirt with Caylee's picture on it since I have been there since July15th. I cannot afford it. IMO sara

[Justice Denied?]

WHAT A WASTE!!! Jose BS is such a dumbass! Change of venue...it's not a matter of publicity....it's a matter of stupidity! BS is not going to find a jury ANYWHERE that is stupid enough to buy what Liar and him are selling! Ugh! That smug smile...I can't stand that guy!


I've been out for a while, but my comment on the 'lost' jail video: that would be enough to convict Liar if they play that at the trial, IMO. Cindy is so upset she can't even speak on the phone, and what does Liar do? Try to console her mother (who she herself did this to)? NO! She laughs at her. LAUGHS AT HER?!?!?!?! What a effing beotch!

One thing that always strikes me is how young Baez looks - young and inexperienced. Now I know he has Linda Kenny Baden but if I were accused of such a serious crime, I would want someone with more experience.

Another thing is that Jose and Casey have exactly the same smirky smile. Makes you want to slap it offtheir face.

The thing that really struck me on the lost video was Cindy crying with her head on the table and George and Casey went right on with their conversation as if she weren't even there. George made no effort to comfort her. This family is so wacko.

[Justice Denied?]

That is stretching it a bit. , She talked to a counselor about her problems with Casey and the counselor suggested it. I don't recall seeing anything about her actually filing papers or anything even close to it. If anyone can find an article or documents that show she did start the proceedings, I will stand corrected.

IIRC Cindy stated on Greta that she only met with a therapist one time right before father's day. Have I got that wrong? I figured she went home and told Casey what she planned to do and that was part of the blowup.

[javahog]

Good one, NG! "If she can't swallow, why is she ordering all those snacks?" "Those snacks have to be going someplace!"

[lorettalockhorn]

Good one, NG! "If she can't swallow, why is she ordering all those snacks?" "Those snacks have to be going someplace!"

LMAO Probably going straight to her hips!

Poor thing; in that video she's whining about no chili. No mention of Caylee's birthday. Even George refers to it as "last Saturday" in that clip. I've forgotten already, did they talk about the 9th being Caylee's birthday in the long video? (Please don't make me watch again!)

Another thing that's interesting, is that Casey tells Cindy that she's already told them everything. When did she actually have time to tell them everything?

[javahog]

LMAO Probably going straight to her hips!

Poor thing; in that video she's whining about no chili. No mention of Caylee's birthday. Even George refers to it as "last Saturday" in that clip. I've forgotten already, did they talk about the 9th being Caylee's birthday in the long video? (Please don't make me watch again!)

Another thing that's interesting, is that Casey tells Cindy that she's already told them everything. When did she actually have time to tell them everything?

Time may not be the true impediment to her telling everything, methinks.

Watching these clips was the first time I noticed GA wiping tears too. Real ones, not "I poked my eye with my french manicure" tears.

[SaraSidle]

One thing that always strikes me is how young Baez looks - young and inexperienced. Now I know he has Linda Kenny Baden but if I were accused of such a serious crime, I would want someone with more experience.

Another thing is that Jose and Casey have exactly the same smirky smile. Makes you want to slap it offtheir face.

The thing that really struck me on the lost video was Cindy crying with her head on the table and George and Casey went right on with their conversation as if she weren't even there. George made no effort to comfort her. This family is so wacko.

you are so right about the smile. I never thought of that but it is spooky.

[SaraSidle]

IIRC Cindy stated on Greta that she only met with a therapist one time right before father's day. Have I got that wrong? I figured she went home and told Casey what she planned to do and that was part of the blowup.

I think the blowup on the night of the 15th was because Cindy found out Casey was stealing from Cindy's mom's check book but I am sure the fact that she also wanted Caylee came up since it was so emotional. And you know what is really sick to me? I fear Casey killed Caylee to get back at her mom. I cannot think of another motive because if she wanted to be single she could have given Cindy the custody of Caylee since Cindy had pretty much raised Caylee. turns my stomach cold to just think it. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

LMAO Probably going straight to her hips!

Poor thing; in that video she's whining about no chili. No mention of Caylee's birthday. Even George refers to it as "last Saturday" in that clip. I've forgotten already, did they talk about the 9th being Caylee's birthday in the long video? (Please don't make me watch again!)

Another thing that's interesting, is that Casey tells Cindy that she's already told them everything. When did she actually have time to tell them everything?

might be letters sent through Baez

[Amy]

LMAO Probably going straight to her hips!

Poor thing; in that video she's whining about no chili. No mention of Caylee's birthday. Even George refers to it as "last Saturday" in that clip. I've forgotten already, did they talk about the 9th being Caylee's birthday in the long video? (Please don't make me watch again!)

Another thing that's interesting, is that Casey tells Cindy that she's already told them everything. When did she actually have time to tell them everything?

I couldn't figure out what the Saturday thing was til NG explained it after the clip. So, nope, don't think Caylee's birthday was mentioned as in, CAYLEE'S BIRTHDAY.

And all she wanted was to say as to how SHE got thru the day--read her bible all day PFFFT!!!! Sure, and we're all believing that, missy!!!! Betcha passages read probably weren't from the ten commandments--like, THOU SHALT NOT KILL. And, HONOR THY MOTHER AND THY FATHER. Wonder what she did read? Go and sin no more? (I admit, I am not so well versed in the bible so as to come up with some real zingers, but these aren't bad for a start, I think.)

[SaraSidle]

okay Gator. Just made a huge amount of pasta and I got cheap and used cheese. Now if you mail me some shrimp it would be really really good. IMO

[Amy]

I think the blowup on the night of the 15th was because Cindy found out Casey was stealing from Cindy's mom's check book but I am sure the fact that she also wanted Caylee came up since it was so emotional. And you know what is really sick to me? I fear Casey killed Caylee to get back at her mom. I cannot think of another motive because if she wanted to be single she could have given Cindy the custody of Caylee since Cindy had pretty much raised Caylee. turns my stomach cold to just think it. IMO sara

Cindy knew about Casey stealing from grandma/grandpa prior to the 15th, according to emails amongst the family, and Shirley Pleasa's LE interview. I think there might have been further confrontation about the stealing the 15th, as it seems that when Cindy was @ her mother's, the conversation was about Cindy not doing anything about the fact that Casey had stolen the money.

[lorettalockhorn]

Time may not be the true impediment to her telling everything, methinks.

Watching these clips was the first time I noticed GA wiping tears too. Real ones, not "I poked my eye with my french manicure" tears.

hehehe I get your drift. I just meant that it was late when the 911 calls were made, and then LE was at the house, and then the next day during the initial investigation, Casey was taken to Universal, and then boom, she was arrested. It seems to me that it would have taken quite a bit of time for Casey to explain everything to G&C. Especially if she was having a snit every time they asked her a question.

As for the truth, the only impediment there is that Casey is a stranger to it.

[Amy]

"Tell her that we forgive her and we want our Caylee."

Cindy asks Casey what she (Casey) wants Cindy to tell Zanny on air. That is what Casey told her to say. Now, did we ever hear Cindy say ANYTHING @ all to Zanny on air? Nope, not even what Casey suggested she say, let alone BEG Zanny to bring their Caylee back.

[lorettalockhorn]

I couldn't figure out what the Saturday thing was til NG explained it after the clip. So, nope, don't think Caylee's birthday was mentioned as in, CAYLEE'S BIRTHDAY.

And all she wanted was to say as to how SHE got thru the day--read her bible all day PFFFT!!!! Sure, and we're all believing that, missy!!!! Betcha passages read probably weren't from the ten commandments--like, THOU SHALT NOT KILL. And, HONOR THY MOTHER AND THY FATHER. Wonder what she did read? Go and sin no more? (I admit, I am not so well versed in the bible so as to come up with some real zingers, but these aren't bad for a start, I think.)

You're off to a good start! And isn't it interesting that after all that Bible reading, Casey still wasn't comforted?!

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony Communication Analysis (December 2008)

In June 2008, Casey Anthony's 2-year old daughter Caylee disappeared. After months of investigation, the Sheriff's department of Orange County, Florida arrested Casey Anthony and charged her with 1st degree murder, aggravated child abuse, and providing false information to law enforcement. Lab tests had determined that the trunk of her car had chemicals that could only have been produced by a dead body, but investigators were unable to find Caylee's body. Last week, Caylee's skeletal remains were found by a county meter reader near the home of her grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.

Several months ago, I examined Casey Anthony's handwritten statement, provided to police on July 14, 2008, approximately one month after Caylee's disappearance. I pointed out a number of traits in Casey's handwriting that are characteristic of liars.

Communication analysis is a technique that is used to evaluate the verbal statements of suspects and witnesses for the purpose of identifying sensitive, deceptive or missing information. Today, let's perform a communication analysis of Casey Anthony's statement.

In one paragraph, Casey wrote,

"After dropping Caylee off at Zenaida's apartment, I proceeded to head to my place of employment, Universal Studios Orlando. I have worked at Universal studios for over 4 years, since June of 2004. I left work around 5pm, and went back to the apartment to pick-up my daughter."

There are a number of few red flags in this single paragraph:

1. "After dropping Caylee off at Zenaida's apartment" -- Using the words "after" or "afterwards" instead of a specific time indicates that the writer is being evasive.
2. "I proceeded to head to my place of employment" -- Why not just say "I went to work." The words "proceeded" and "headed" may indicate that this action was never completed.
3. "since June of 2004" -- Words like "since" and "because" answer an unasked question. Unnecessary explanations often follow or precede a lie. Casey never worked at Universal Studios.
4. "I left work around 5pm." -- Qualifying "5pm" with the word "Around," again, indicates that the writer is evasive about time.
5. "my daughter" -- Casey has changed from using the name "Caylee" to the words "my daughter." Using language that distanced herself from Caylee is an indication that at the time of this statement, Caylee was already dead.

I expect that prosecutors will use quite a bit of communication analysis to pick apart Casey Anthony's many – and seemingly contradictory – statements as they prepare for her upcoming trial. Click here to see Casey Anthony's handwriting and to read my handwriting profile on her handwriting.

http://www.michelledresbold.com/hwd-casey_anthony3.html

[sharlock]

Well, good grief I hadn't read that either. Or my memory is shot! And does Cindy really need for an attorney to tell her that Casey would have been the one to decide who raised Caylee in the event of her death? And that if she didn't make arrangements that the court would decide?

Sheesh Does Cindy have hallucinations? Take medication?
No, Cindy said during the interview with FBI that she went to a lawyer with Casey when Caylee was just born to get it written up that if anything happened to Casey Caylee would go to Cindy and George. She named the lawyers she supposedly went to and said that papers for it were probably at the house. The FBI checked and the lawyer she spoke of said no such meeting took place so it would seem at that time Cindy was trying to establish her right to look after Caylee if she was returned and Casy was still in jail imo. That actually does dupport though that at the time Cindy thought it was still a possibility Caylee would be returned. About the psychiatrist, Cindy told her Mum that and she did speak of it during an interview as well. In the interview she was alluding to having trouble with George and Casey and that becasue they had never experienced these type of issues before she got some help. I don't beleive this has been confirmed though.

[Amy]

You're off to a good start! And isn't it interesting that after all that Bible reading, Casey still wasn't comforted?!

And, I was wondering, how does one comfort oneself?

Rewatching tonight's NG. My goodness!!!! To the psychiatrist--I didn't understand anything you said, but my question was..... And to one unlucky (lawyer, I think) fellow who tries to answer a question---THAT REQUIRES A YES OR NO!!!!! Geeesh, Nancy, you might let him explain WHY it is yes or why it is no!!!! *I* was interested in what he was saying!!!! :flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

might be letters sent through Baez

You know, she did tell G&C in an earlier visit that she would be sending them and Lee letters through the US Mail. But I figure they might not say much since they are subject to being opened and read by jail staff.