Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[SaraSidle]

There's been no mention of it - I am guessing that it was for the safe return of Caylee, not a body.

Gator

I am leaning that way but so who gets it or does it get returned????? we may never know........sara

[deacon]

Wouldn't they have learned that early on in the investigation? (I do remember a discussion about a particular type of immunity last night on NG; it's not blanket immunity). Anyway, I was under the impression that Mr. Conway had asked for G&C to receive immunity and that they would be re-interviewed and would no longer give conflicting statements. (Conflicting each other? Or conflicting the truth?)

ETA if they were to take the fifth in the courtroom, they would be risking the jury thinking that either they are lying to protect themselves OR that they are lying to protect Casey (even though that's not really the purpose of the 5th), and might assume the worst. And exact punishment accordingly.

While I agree on the 5th making some on the jury think they were trying to protect themselves or casey, I think there may be one that would not see it that way and take their lies as resonable doubt. LE wants the truth on the stand, not fabrications that may or may not sway a jury. (Or the refusal to answer which may also sway a member to vote not guilty because all of the holes in the story are not filled.

[SaraSidle]

I'm not so sure of this. . . I think they knew Casey would just get pissed and hang up. I think G & C were doing their best to stay on her good side in the hopes that she might say something of value. JMHO

I think that is so true FDI from watching that video. they are really trying to get her to give up something she just talks around them. good point. IMO

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=beemeup;9153797]It will be good to see some truth's come out once the re- interview's and trial get underway. I think George will be honest and forthright. I cant imagine what life will be like for him with Cindy at that point. Lost on where Lee fits in with possible charge/charges. I think we better strap in once this all takes on a life of it's own. I think it will be one heck of a bumpy ride. Truths and answers need to be brought forth for Caylee's sake. I am sure many things we will never know. MOO[/QUOTE by mu8shark I don't believe Cindy has any intention of telling the truth judging by her email where she asserts it will be proven in court that Casey did not do it. You know she will not reveal anything therefore that would interfere with that process. George on the other hand probably will try to tell the truth as he did in previous interviews. I get frustrated with George but if he tells the truth I won't say another word about him. I can't see Cindy telling LE anything that makes her precious daughter the culprit. I believe she is patently dishonest. I can't help but think about when Mr Grund confronted her about stealing from Jessie and instead of saying, " I know it is not a good thing and maybe I can talk to her," she railed at Mr Grund because after all it was only 300.oo and it was the first time. No big deal. To me this signifies a really dishonest person who has no regard for others and when they are wronged., And don't get me started on her other lies, the way she tried to outright lie about herself actually seeing the pizza and that the her totally false claim about the tow yard managers statement. She lies and her daughter lies. Two peas in a pod. Cindy obviously thinks if it serves your purpose its okay to lie. Look where it has got her. Also one thing I want to comment on that just occured to me when I watched those tapes, is this, Casey at no point in any of the tapes i have seen or on the phone calls ever says ,"Mom, Dad sorry i put you through so much, I made some terrible decisions, I should of reported it. I hate to see you upset and suffering, " Not one single f ing time. All she wants to know is if they know how hard it has been for her. And really quite the contrary on one of the first phone calls she says it is not her fault at all that she is in jail. It is really telling of her character and how much of a true sociopath she is.

[mu8shark]

While I agree on the 5th making some on the jury think they were trying to protect themselves or casey, I think there may be one that would not see it that way and take their lies as resonable doubt. LE wants the truth on the stand, not fabrications that may or may not sway a jury. (Or the refusal to answer which may also sway a member to vote not guilty because all of the holes in the story are not filled.
I don't think taking the fifth is going to create reasonable doubt for Casey, all it does is make the jurors feel you are guilty of something and in this case since LE is not claiming that Cindy or George had anything to do with killing Caylee it will just make jurors think they lied and want to continue to lie to get their daughter off. I think just in my opinion this would be diastrous for Casey and make it even harder for the public to have any sympathy for George and Cindy.

[SuzDuJour]

Some time ago on Nancy Grace a caller asked about the $200K+ reward money and would Roy Krunk get to keep it. She said, "OUT TO LEONARD PADILLA", who said he originally offered $200K as a reward for finding Caylee alive, but when he heard about the FBI analysis in the car trunk and knew Caylee was dead, he recinded the offer. He did say he was thinking about giving Ray Krunk some kind of reward, but didn't know what it would amount to etc...

I agree with those of you who believe C&G were trying to 'be nice' to Casey so she would open up and help them find Casey. That they continue to support her is way beyond anything I can comprehend. Once they found Caylee's body, I would think they would stop the BS with her...and maybe they did. Have they been back to see her since then?

[deacon]

[QUOTE=beemeup;9153797]It will be good to see some truth's come out once the re- interview's and trial get underway. I think George will be honest and forthright. I cant imagine what life will be like for him with Cindy at that point. Lost on where Lee fits in with possible charge/charges. I think we better strap in once this all takes on a life of it's own. I think it will be one heck of a bumpy ride. Truths and answers need to be brought forth for Caylee's sake. I am sure many things we will never know. MOO[/QUOTE by mu8shark I don't believe Cindy has any intention of telling the truth judging by her email where she asserts it will be proven in court that Casey did not do it. You know she will not reveal anything therefore that would interfere with that process. George on the other hand probably will try to tell the truth as he did in previous interviews. I get frustrated with George but if he tells the truth I won't say another word about him. I can't see Cindy telling LE anything that makes her precious daughter the culprit. I believe she is patently dishonest. I can't help but think about when Mr Grund confronted her about stealing from Jessie and instead of saying, " I know it is not a good thing and maybe I can talk to her," she railed at Mr Grund because after all it was only 300.oo and it was the first time. No big deal. To me this signifies a really dishonest person who has no regard for others and when they are wronged., And don't get me started on her other lies, the way she tried to outright lie about herself actually seeing the pizza and that the her totally false claim about the tow yard managers statement. She lies and her daughter lies. Two peas in a pod. Cindy obviously thinks if it serves your purpose its okay to lie. Look where it has got her. Also one thing I want to comment on that just occured to me when I watched those tapes, is this, Casey at no point in any of the tapes i have seen or on the phone calls ever says ,"Mom, Dad sorry i put you through so much, I made some terrible decisions, I should of reported it. I hate to see you upset and suffering, " Not one single f ing time. All she wants to know is if they know how hard it has been for her. And really quite the contrary on one of the first phone calls she says it is not her fault at all that she is in jail. It is really telling of her character and how much of a true sociopath she is.


You know, the more I think about it the more I think the reason cindy will not tell the truth or not say such "not so smart" things when she talks about casey being innocent has little or nothing to do with casey being her "wonderful daughter" or casey being innocent. It has to do with cindy's thoughts that SHE will look bad if casey is convicted. It is her reputation she is worried about, not casey going to jail or even Caylee being dead. I think she has put that fact to rest in her head and now is centered on herself, as usual.:flamemad:

[mu8shark]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
12:50 PM EST, January 15, 2009


Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, has told the Orlando Sentinel that getting his group involved in the Caylee Marie Anthony case might be one of the biggest mistakes he's made for the organization.

In a recent interview with the Sentinel, Miller said that so many resources were used and so much money spent on Caylee's case, they now don't have enough to assist all the other people who contact EquuSearch for help.

The publicity has caused EquuSearch's caseload to increase more than ever. And because of the economy, donations to the nonprofit are down.

"Caylee Anthony was not the very first missing person in this country and she's not going to be the last missing person in this country," Miller said.

Now, EquuSearch has to be very selective in which cases it works.

Miller said the search for Caylee was more costly than he could have imagined. And he can't remember a search that has had as many twists and
"This has been a frustrating case for everybody," he said.

"This has caused me personally a lot of financial, emotion and physical grief. This case wore on me more than any case that I've worked."

Meanwhile, EquuSearch continues to search throughout the country for other missing people. Miller continues to run a small construction company.

And now, two months after he called-off the second ground search for Caylee, Miller is still being wrapped up in the case.

The defense attorney representing Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, recently filed a motion seeking information from EquuSearch. Jose Baez asked the court for EquuSearch's records including maps of search areas and information on volunteers.

No hearing date has been set to address Baez's motion.

Orlando attorney Mark NeJame, who formerly represented Caylee's grandparents, is representing Miller.

Still, Miller said he has no regrets.

"When we came into this search, we had nothing to gain and nothing to lose," he said. "I don't regret anything and I certainly do remember what this is about -- and it's Caylee Anthony."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story I wonder if in all his searches Tim Miller has ever had anyone treat him like crap like Cindy Anthony did in this case and dog him because he looked for a body and did not continue this she's alive fantasy that the Ants wanted him to perpetuate. I would think it would give almost anyone a near nervous breakdown when they are trying to help and they have so much venom and anger directed at them like Cindy did.

[deacon]

I don't think taking the fifth is going to create reasonable doubt for Casey, all it does is make the jurors feel you are guilty of something and in this case since LE is not claiming that Cindy or George had anything to do with killing Caylee it will just make jurors think they lied and want to continue to lie to get their daughter off. I think just in my opinion this would be diastrous for Casey and make it even harder for the public to have any sympathy for George and Cindy.

Oh, I don't either, I just think the prosecutor and LE are trying to cover their bases. No stone left unturned type of thing. Oh, I can see cindy squirming right now, knowing she can not plead the 5th and if she tells a lie and is caught she can visit her daughter a lot easier. She may even have a cell near her.:rolleyes:

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=mu8shark;9153981]


You know, the more I think about it the more I think the reason cindy will not tell the truth or not say such "not so smart" things when she talks about casey being innocent has little or nothing to do with casey being her "wonderful daughter" or casey being innocent. It has to do with cindy's thoughts that SHE will look bad if casey is convicted. It is her reputation she is worried about, not casey going to jail or even Caylee being dead. I think she has put that fact to rest in her head and now is centered on herself, as usual.:flamemad: This has occured to me as well. In my own experience people who are very controlling like she is want to control even others perceptions of them. And make no mistake about it, anyone who would threaten people with banishment from a memorial for an innocent three year old is very controlling. I still can't quite get over her using even a dead Caylee to control those around her and bend them to her will. I know, I know it sounds harsh but really who does this at a time like that?

[Justice Denied?]

Are any of you experiencing problems with the video when I went to the site I can play all the other videos but the august visit won't play for some reason.

Yes, I am. At first it was real dark, but I had the audio. So I downloaded a new flashplayer and plug in and now it won't play at all. I checked and it will play the other videos, so what's the deal? I noticed the little box at the bottom is empty.

[mu8shark]

It seems Casey is merely trying to manipulate her way home. . . like she doesn't realize that there is nothing they can do for her. “and by keeping me here your not helping me help myself.” What could her parents have done???? Ugh. Hard to watch her go round and round about herself.

To the credit of George and Cindy, their focus to find Caylee was clear IMO.


“and I know where you are sitting in this. . .” Like Casey has the power of empathy. . . Double Ugh.

It's hard to watch Cindy. . . she knew that Casey could have ended this. . . I really believe that.

There is a “missing” girl at this point and their talking about chili. . . and the Bible. . . not sure I can watch this whole thing!


“I need to be looked at as a victim.” That's a real kicker there. . . :flamemad:

How many times was little Caylee even mentioned???


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I wonder if Casey will ever be given our posts??? :D

Thanks for the link! :seeya: Well if Cindy ever saw some of these posts some of us would be banned, banned I tell ya from the memorial. LOL.

[lorettalockhorn]

While I agree on the 5th making some on the jury think they were trying to protect themselves or casey, I think there may be one that would not see it that way and take their lies as resonable doubt. LE wants the truth on the stand, not fabrications that may or may not sway a jury. (Or the refusal to answer which may also sway a member to vote not guilty because all of the holes in the story are not filled.

You could be absolutely right, but I honestly think that once a jury sits through this trial, and sees the twists and turns (and the twisted players), they will be more likely to resent anyone who wastes its time by taking the fifth amendment. But if G&C really know anything that they haven't told the truth about, I wonder if it's important enough to the case to even offer them immunity? Wouldn't it be almost worth the risk to question them under oath in the courtroom and see if they take the setting to be more important than sitting in a cubbyhole at the PD?

Have I lost my mind? Wasn't Conway seeking immunity for the Anthonys? NG mentioned that Lee is asking for immunity, but I couldn't make sense out of why.

[mu8shark]

The first I had heard of NG was when Laci Peterson was murdered. Even back then, it pretty much was that either you loved her or hated her. (I'm sure there were those in the middle who could take her or leave her, didn't hear much from them, tho.) The complaints back then were pretty much the same as they are now, only I do think she has become more aggressive, more of the prima dona personality.

Whether she was an anchor, or hosting her own show, even back then, she did not always (in fact hardly ever) let the person answer her question--with about 2 words out of the other person's mouth, she was contradicting them, even if they were agreeing with her!!!!

I have figured out I don't need to watch THE BEGINNING of her show, because it starts from "day one" and takes a while to get to today's "bombshell." And, that gets longer, each day, of course, as the opening adds each bombshell. Then, as you say, watch a bit for today's big news (that you've probably already heard on Jane's show) and then you can turn to some other show, cuz the same ol' same ol' will be discussed. IMO

I don't know the name of the guy just ahead of Jane, but the other day I was watching his show. There were experts on, there was discussion, but what I found a nice change was, no shouting, no theatrics (Jane can get as dramatic as Nancy) no interrupting. I could actually hear what each person had to say about the issue being discussed. Now, that was nice!!!! I think you are right she was always borderline rude at least but now it has escalated. And one of the things that bugs me with these tapes is that she plays the same part over and over and over again and I know that there are more to the tapes. It is like she thinks we are all in the bathroom or snacking throughout the show. LOL. Why doesn't she play more of the tapes in total instead of replaying the same parts?

[SaraSidle]

Yes, I am. At first it was real dark, but I had the audio. So I downloaded a new flashplayer and plug in and now it won't play at all. I checked and it will play the other videos, so what's the deal? I noticed the little box at the bottom is empty.

wow the hate cindy posters. anyways I am wondering if the 225,000 was given back to the people who started the reward way before LP was on the scene. And I reiterate I am so glad any mothers or grandmothers here are never put in this position Cindy has had to go through. yes she has done many unexplainable things but I do not think she is really a part of the crime so I am not putting any energy into her. I hope the rest of us can work on the LE,PIS.Psychics, Lee and Casey have to do with all this. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Packing as i type :D 45 sounds balmy-it is now -18 here. Pack your shorts Sara i am on my way :beer:

I am so packed and ready. too cold to smoke. let me know when you hit Detroit and I will tell you from there...........sara

[One2Snoop]

Looks like she's having a temper tantrum LOL.

http://i40.tinypic.com/21ctrts.jpg

[Amy]

I don't remember posting this - sorry if its a repeat...

Mystery Surrounds Abandonded House Shown on Anthony's PI Video
Eyewitness News now knows whose house is shown in the video shot by the Anthony family private eye. (01/13/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18490015/index.html

Hmmm.....his attorney is still Brad Conway. Wonder @ what time Mr Conway will have to choose amongst his clients? Altho, it does seem that D Casey was in the employee of the A's @ the time. Still, there's got to be a conflict of interest going on here!!!!

[Justice Denied?]

OH JD 45 is warm. I am on my way. we are at like 10 degrees below freezing. beem you want to pick me up on the way? sara

I just got out about 7:00pm and went to the convenience store for cat food.(my cat was sitting on the computer desk bumping my elbow with her head.)
It was very brisk and refreshing. When I got back, cat realized it wasn't her usual brand and turned her nose up.

I don't envy you people with your snow. I can't stand the stuff. Come on whenever. You too beemer.

[Amy]

Another clip was shown. Cindy asks the Liar for something to go on to find Caylee. The Liar gets upset and tells her mother that she doesn't have anything. The only thing she is focusing on, can focus on is her case! That's it - her case.:mad: Cindy replies back that the one thing they need to focus on is finding Caylee. Then the Liar starts to yell back and Cindy reaches over to give the phone to George because she doesn't want to argue and the Liar tells her, no, I want you to listen.

This is the woman who was such "a loving mother". Her mother still covers for her knowing she's said these things and didn't think finding her daughter was a priority. All the Liar is good for is organ donation.

Gator

I'm gonna make a stipulation that, if I ever need a heart transplant, if it's from Casey Anthony, I will pass, thank you very much.

[SaraSidle]

If G&C really wanted to find Caylee, they could have said to her "You were out for 31 days - what did you do then to find Caylee? Tell me what you would do if you were out and I will do it." But they didn't say that because they were too afraid of finding out the truth.

first I do not think Casey is going to tell the truth. Second it is a great picture of denial. ITA

[Amy]

All of you other fellow smokers are giving me the giggles. I had a tooth extracted today and I am still sitting at my computer with a glass of wine with a straw in it smoking my cigs.

Not to offend anyone but I actually have a sign on my door that states "This house is a perfume free zone. Bags may be checked and visitors sniff tested".

Smokers are welcome though. The 'bags checked' was mainly for my daughter who will SWEAR she is not wearing ANY perfume or lotions but I found nine different scented products in her bag the othernight. Odd that I am highly allergic to perfumes of all kinds but smoke like a freight train.

Ok........off to watch the new video release and watch Liar cry for herself.

Candle shops and the laundry soap aisle are killers for me!!! I can wear a bit of perfume, but anyone with a heavy application is around, I have to leave!!! And, yep, the one thing that doesn't seem to bother me @ all is cigarette or cigar smoke. Most pipe smoke is okay, but some--I don't know what's with them, but I get all stuffed up. Same with some of the wood for fireplaces.

[SaraSidle]

I can be across the pond in a little over an hour if the border is good. Can we stop at Silver lake-I would luv to see it again even in the frigid temps :hat:

beem it will be 2 hours out of our way round trip but if you are driving let's do it. hahahaha I dreamt last night some friends were deciding to drive up there and I got out of the car when I found out. short walk home. so wierd you would say that. LOL detroit to me is about 3 hours so let me know lol. I hope JD is ready for us..

[SaraSidle]

I am glad you are ok after your Champix (canadian drug name) experience. I am a baby boomer too and grew up in a cloud. We smokers do rationalize cuz that what we do. For me its a great tension reduction. My only vice too. We will get it right one day-or not.

Wow that is exactly how I am with smoking. DId you hear what happened on csi tonight? my gil grissom retired and came to live with me. sorry DH. LOL

[Gatordog]

I am leaning that way but so who gets it or does it get returned????? we may never know........sara

It was probably never given to anyone in the first place. It might have been pledges to pay. We had that before. A local millionaire offered a reward of the same size for the safe return of someone who wasn't even known to him. It was an agreement to pay and the person was never found and no money ever changed hands. i don't think an account gets set up with these large rewards until the person is recovered.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Welbutrin works for some. Not me. Tired it. Chantix gave me heart attack symptoms and I ended up in the hospital overnight. The stress test almost killed me. :cuss:

I also tried acupuncture. 24 sessions. It worked for my husband, not me. If I quit (which I have several times) I eat everything that doesn't eat me first. It's a bad habit, it stinks, I hate smoking and I still do it. I hate it! When I have the kids here, I use the exhaust fan on top of my stove, though I smoke less, but I refuse to smoke outside. I grew up in a cloud of smoke. I'm a baby boomer. I do wash my kitchen curtains at least once a month. I also go through a lot of plug in's. I also rationalize a lot. "So and so dropped dead jogging and so and so never smoked and died of lung cancer." yada yada yada.. They just went up a dollar a pack. It's my only vice though..

Hide me...


lol danagher you are welcome to come but I want you to be careful with those plug ins. I heard that can set on fire so make sure you are home when you use them. sara

[Amy]

The Liar claims she's as much a victim as anyone.

In this video, it's obvious to me that George is the enabler. First, he's got to call her sternly by her name. Stop the Gorgeous and Beautiful. She's neither, she's one of the ugliest people on Earth. At one point the Liar is angry because she said they had one opportunity to bail her out but they missed it. I believe she was talking about the reward money for Caylee. Liar probably thought C&G had access to it and should have stolen it to bail her out. Afterall, Liar knew it would never be needed.

Gator

You have to wonder just WHAT was she thinking? She has to have known about the finances in that house---with Cindy working, George maybe working sometimes, or whatever disability paid when he was on that. Lost money in either a Nigerian scam or gambling (ya think Cindy didn't let Lee and Casey know what a dufus their dad is?) and HER stealing them blind!!!! So, yep, guess that would leave STEALING the reward (or search) money, cuz I don't suppose their credit rating is probably such they could just go get a loan. I guess, she is so comfortable stealing, especially from family, that she might not have seen why it would be a problem!!!!

[SaraSidle]

It was probably never given to anyone in the first place. It might have been pledges to pay. We had that before. A local millionaire offered a reward of the same size for the safe return of someone who wasn't even known to him. It was an agreement to pay and the person was never found and no money ever changed hands. i don't think an account gets set up with these large rewards until the person is recovered.

Gator

good point gator I never thought of that. thanks sara

[SaraSidle]

If G&C really wanted to find Caylee, they could have said to her "You were out for 31 days - what did you do then to find Caylee? Tell me what you would do if you were out and I will do it." But they didn't say that because they were too afraid of finding out the truth.

first I do not think Casey is going to tell the truth. Second it is a great picture of denial. ITA

[Gatordog]

I'm gonna make a stipulation that, if I ever need a heart transplant, if it's from Casey Anthony, I will pass, thank you very much.

That's the one organ she can't donate - she doesn't have one.

[Justice Denied?]

I'm gonna make a stipulation that, if I ever need a heart transplant, if it's from Casey Anthony, I will pass, thank you very much.

Amy,

I think you have to actually have a heart before you can be a donor.:D

[mu8shark]

wow the hate cindy posters. anyways I am wondering if the 225,000 was given back to the people who started the reward way before LP was on the scene. And I reiterate I am so glad any mothers or grandmothers here are never put in this position Cindy has had to go through. yes she has done many unexplainable things but I do not think she is really a part of the crime so I am not putting any energy into her. I hope the rest of us can work on the LE,PIS.Psychics, Lee and Casey have to do with all this. IMO You know Sara while I appreciate that you feel differently about Cindy than some of us, you can't really tell us how to feel or what to post about. Not trying to be difficult with ya cause you know I respect your posts and how you feel differently, but she continues to show her dishonest, petty and somewhat low character and it irks some of us and we are going to comment on in, plain and simple. As Loretta said or something close to it, some of us don't believe she deserves a pass. I know I don't believe just because she is the grandmother she can act any way she wants and we need to accept it and agree with her.

[mu8shark]

Looks like she's having a temper tantrum LOL.

http://i40.tinypic.com/21ctrts.jpg Now that is just plain old funny!!!

[Justice Denied?]

beem it will be 2 hours out of our way round trip but if you are driving let's do it. hahahaha I dreamt last night some friends were deciding to drive up there and I got out of the car when I found out. short walk home. so wierd you would say that. LOL detroit to me is about 3 hours so let me know lol. I hope JD is ready for us..

Sure, I'm ready! We will have a lovely houseparty weekend. Call for further directions when you hit Dallas.

[Gatordog]

You have to wonder just WHAT was she thinking? She has to have known about the finances in that house---with Cindy working, George maybe working sometimes, or whatever disability paid when he was on that. Lost money in either a Nigerian scam or gambling (ya think Cindy didn't let Lee and Casey know what a dufus their dad is?) and HER stealing them blind!!!! So, yep, guess that would leave STEALING the reward (or search) money, cuz I don't suppose their credit rating is probably such they could just go get a loan. I guess, she is so comfortable stealing, especially from family, that she might not have seen why it would be a problem!!!!

Word is that Cindy didn't have the money in her retirement 401K because she had to take out $40K to pay off the huge credit card theft by the Liar. If Cindy didn't pay it , the cc companies would have prosecuted the Liar.

[Amy]

Some time ago on Nancy Grace a caller asked about the $200K+ reward money and would Roy Krunk get to keep it. She said, "OUT TO LEONARD PADILLA", who said he originally offered $200K as a reward for finding Caylee alive, but when he heard about the FBI analysis in the car trunk and knew Caylee was dead, he recinded the offer. He did say he was thinking about giving Ray Krunk some kind of reward, but didn't know what it would amount to etc...

I agree with those of you who believe C&G were trying to 'be nice' to Casey so she would open up and help them find Casey. That they continue to support her is way beyond anything I can comprehend. Once they found Caylee's body, I would think they would stop the BS with her...and maybe they did. Have they been back to see her since then?

Wasn't there TWO rewards? The $225K (and I don't remember who was in charge of this) for a LIVE Caylee---it was stressed that is was for a LIVE Caylee. And, after LP butted heads with Casey and the A's HE put out a reward for $50K for FINDING Caylee, without regards to whether she is alive or dead. That was the one he recinded, but I can't remember when or what the circumstances were.

[Amy]

Yes, I am. At first it was real dark, but I had the audio. So I downloaded a new flashplayer and plug in and now it won't play at all. I checked and it will play the other videos, so what's the deal? I noticed the little box at the bottom is empty.

I tried the first link, and also the alternate link and on both, there is nothing. Like you say, the little box for that video is empty. Wonder if it was pulled? And, if so, why?

[lighthousedazy]

Looks like she's having a temper tantrum LOL.

http://i40.tinypic.com/21ctrts.jpgLooks like the devil's bride. LOL imo. Where is the poster with the avatar of caysee painted up like the Joker (Dark Knight movie)? I think it was Michele. IMO, caysee anthony is more evil than the Joker. :flamemad:

[Gatordog]

Wasn't there TWO rewards? The $225K (and I don't remember who was in charge of this) for a LIVE Caylee---it was stressed that is was for a LIVE Caylee. And, after LP butted heads with Casey and the A's HE put out a reward for $50K for FINDING Caylee, without regards to whether she is alive or dead. That was the one he recinded, but I can't remember when or what the circumstances were.

LP put the reward out for information on finding Caylee's body. After Kronk found it, Padilla said he had retracted that reward because people were trespassing on private property and digging up yards. Fuuny thing is padilla never mentioned pulling back the reward until the remains were found.

[mu8shark]

Hmmm.....his attorney is still Brad Conway. Wonder @ what time Mr Conway will have to choose amongst his clients? Altho, it does seem that D Casey was in the employee of the A's @ the time. Still, there's got to be a conflict of interest going on here!!!! I have been wondering this too . I even think at some point it might be a conflict of interest for him to represent both Cindy and George.

[Justice Denied?]

Clear out your livingroom :D We may need a bus tho as i am sure there will be many snow folks wanting to come. Believe it or not we just had an actual invite by some friends who winter in texas for 3 months. We had to cancel our winter caribbean trip due to FIL illness. Since we just buried him we are getting all kinds of invites. One to Nevada and Long Island friends as well. However we have postponed our winter trip till next year. Right where we need to be right now-here for MIL as she adjusts. We can have fun here tho and pretend right. I hate snow too. So we shall live vicarously thru all u warm weather folks. P.S. I luv cats with attitude :beer:

Then you will love Kali. She is the ugliest cat in America. 2/3 of the right side of her face is gray and brown "brindle". There is a white spot on her chin and one above her left eyebrow that is no near bald, you can see the skin. She is solid black struck with gold and black. She was orphaned at 4 weeks and I have had her ever since. She thinks I am her person, not she is my cat.

[lorettalockhorn]

74-way too hot for me:D i only set my hair on fire once-at the hairdresser's way back in the early 80's-when ya could smoke at most establishments. He had my hair combed forward and walked away to get something-it smelled really bad and i felt really stupid. Thank gawd i was getting a cut. Dont ask me how many times i have burned my fingers tho :hat:

Ours never goes over 68° (because of my hormones, or lack thereof); we sleep with it on 65°. In the spring and the fall when the temps fluctuate so much, we sometimes have one unit on heat and the other one on AC. I set my hair on fire twice one night lighting a ciggy. My second vice--wine was involved. http://i7.tinypic.com/4md50jr.jpg

[Gatordog]

I found it quite by accident! The Liar stated to the girlfriend of Tony's roommate that she pays the Nanny $400 a week.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608mariakissh/1/lg/Maria_Kissh_Page_07.htm

[lighthousedazy]

I found it quite by accident! The Liar stated to the girlfriend of Tony's roommate that she pays the Nanny $400 a week.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608mariakissh/1/lg/Maria_Kissh_Page_07.htm
Wow, the liar must have a darn good paying job. :eek: :D Oh goodness, I know an attorney couple and engineering couple that don't pay half that much for the babysitter.

[Amy]

LOL the person I would really love to tell off is Janie Weintraub. I was thinking about how Janie rolls her eyes when other people talk and she does not agree with them and in the Menendez trial Leslie Abrahamson got reprimanded for doing it in court. I bet Janie does it too when witnesses she does not like do that. Oh and speaking of court, when Henry Lee , resident media w h o r e goes into court on this case, I bet the prosecution will ask him about when the judge raked him over the coals in the Spector case for getting rid of or tampering with evidence. If I were Baez I would consider not using Henry because that will probably come in. When you present credentials and tout someones knowledge and notarieity ie how many cases they have testfied in, the prosecution has an absolute right to impeach them with stuff like that.

Seems to me that the other experts, the bug guy, the vegetation guy, the bone guy (or, which one is the lady?) get to looking, they are not going to find things any differently than what the prosecution experts find. I'm betting that, for them, excellent practitioners in their fields, it will be like Baden and Lee were in the Scott Peterson trial--sitting on the sidelines and never called, because their testimony would side w/the prosecution. I can SEE these folks agreeing to perform tests, investigate on behalf of the defense, I just can't see them risking their reputations (altho others have, specifically Lee) by testifying to that which was not found.

[crowamongdoves]

I'm gonna make a stipulation that, if I ever need a heart transplant, if it's from Casey Anthony, I will pass, thank you very much.

Are you sure about that...It's brand new...She never used it! LOL

[mu8shark]

I found it quite by accident! The Liar stated to the girlfriend of Tony's roommate that she pays the Nanny $400 a week.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608mariakissh/1/lg/Maria_Kissh_Page_07.htm400 a week?? LOL on what . She must pay her in skittles or ramen noodles LOL.

[lorettalockhorn]

Looks like she's having a temper tantrum LOL.

http://i40.tinypic.com/21ctrts.jpg

Or suffering the effects of bologna and coleslaw. http://i33.tinypic.com/2wbxhj6.jpg

[mu8shark]

Seems to me that the other experts, the bug guy, the vegetation guy, the bone guy (or, which one is the lady?) get to looking, they are not going to find things any differently than what the prosecution experts find. I'm betting that, for them, excellent practitioners in their fields, it will be like Baden and Lee were in the Scott Peterson trial--sitting on the sidelines and never called, because their testimony would side w/the prosecution. I can SEE these folks agreeing to perform tests, investigate on behalf of the defense, I just can't see them risking their reputations (altho others have, specifically Lee) by testifying to that which was not found.Yeah because asking is not necessarily getting if you know what I mean and just because they call all these experts does not mean they are going to get the testimony they want except from Dr. Lee who testifies to fit whatever the defense wants I am convinced.

[crowamongdoves]

Yeah because asking is not necessarily getting if you know what I mean and just because they call all these experts does not mean they are going to get the testimony they want except from Dr. Lee who testifies to fit whatever the defense wants I am convinced.

ITA Dr. Lee used to have a great reputation until the Phil Spector case now I think he's a joke.

[lorettalockhorn]

Word is that Cindy didn't have the money in her retirement 401K because she had to take out $40K to pay off the huge credit card theft by the Liar. If Cindy didn't pay it , the cc companies would have prosecuted the Liar.

Maybe if G&C had let Casey suffer the consequences for her actions...

Well, you get my drift.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been wondering this too . I even think at some point it might be a conflict of interest for him to represent both Cindy and George.

Exactly. Especially when Conway started talking about the immunity and the conflicting statements.

[lighthousedazy]

Maybe if G&C had let Casey suffer the consequences for her actions...

Well, you get my drift.

Exactly. I know a mom who turned her child in for forging a check on mom's account. Child still tried a few things but I think she learned, and she married and had 3 children and she definately loved those kids and would never ever do the crap that caysee anthony did. jmo ETA, imo this child is a sociopath and she was not on drugs, but her motto was "I want it all right now."

[mu8shark]

You're right mu, and unfortunately, Cindy does play a big part in all this. I am even going to forget for a moment that she brought Casey up, because as I've said, some people are born bad, and Casey is one of them. I know a few other mothers who are good people, who didn't EVER deserve what their children did to them. So, right now I won't even go there, because I was not privy to the Anthony's or their life. What many of us find so unforgivable is the actions and flip flopping since Caylee disappeared. Why not use your actions instead of your mouth to find Caylee? Why attack good people who gave their precious time and money to search for her, dead or alive? No appreciation has ever been shown to those who did not judge them, and just GAVE for Caylee.

Cindy hampered the investigation. One of the most recent, and very important fact is regarding D. Casey, which we haven't discussed much ~ how The Anthony family knew he was going to THAT spot, and the abandoned Gonzalez house and didn't say a word to LE about this 'tip'. But they made damn sure everyone knew about the little girl on the cell phone pic in that mall. She laughed at LE behind their backs, and NEVER addressed the lies, oh so many lies, her daughter told to the very same people who were trying to find her beloved grandaughter.

Cindy should be embarrassed. They should take out a full page ad and thank the wonderful people who worked to find Caylee. Yes, even Roy Kronk.


No, we don't have to accept it, mu, and certainly not agree with it. I will tell you the tipping point for me when she bragged in the email about giving them the wrong hairbrush. To me that did not show concern for finding out what happened to Caylee. To me doing that was trying to throw them off the truth and what is that?That just did it for me. I think of someone like Marc Klaas who did everything he could to find that child, took a lie detector, was interviewed at length , who gave them access to everything in his house and did everything he could to help them. I would not be critical of anyone who just said, "No matter what comes , I stand by my daughter. I won't desert her." Because I think a lot of parents who don't agree with the crime don't just bolt and leave their child alone, but I think giving them the wrong hairbrush goes beyond that. It may be one of my faults that once someone starts playing the lie and deception game, I have a hard time trusting them or feeling sorry for them, but that is just me.

[lighthousedazy]

ITA Dr. Lee used to have a great reputation until the Phil Spector case now I think he's a joke.How long has Dr. Lee been in the USA? I thought it was quite a while, and I still can't understand a word he says. :o

[mu8shark]

Maybe if G&C had let Casey suffer the consequences for her actions...

Well, you get my drift. Maybe not everyone is as lucky as I was growing up but I had parents who made me return a candy stick I took when I was little to a five and dime store, so taking $300.00 from a boyfriend , forget it,pfft, no way I would have been excused from that. I do realize she was a grown up when that happened but even if I had been 22 my Mom would have had plenty to say to me about that. LOL.

[mu8shark]

How long has Dr. Lee been in the USA? I thought it was quite a while, and I still can't understand a word he says. :oLOL I know . I Know at the risk of sounding racist I told my cousin that maybe the jury won't even understand his broken English anyways and it won't matter. Again if I was Baez I would not want the complication of what happened in the Spector case to taint my trial.

[SaraSidle]

Clear out your livingroom :D We may need a bus tho as i am sure there will be many snow folks wanting to come. Believe it or not we just had an actual invite by some friends who winter in texas for 3 months. We had to cancel our winter caribbean trip due to FIL illness. Since we just buried him we are getting all kinds of invites. One to Nevada and Long Island friends as well. However we have postponed our winter trip till next year. Right where we need to be right now-here for MIL as she adjusts. We can have fun here tho and pretend right. I hate snow too. So we shall live vicarously thru all u warm weather folks. P.S. I luv cats with attitude :beer:

It would be so nice for you to go somewhere warm if even 3 nights and 4 days. beem. after what you all went through you deserve a rest. I know.

[lorettalockhorn]

You're right mu, and unfortunately, Cindy does play a big part in all this. I am even going to forget for a moment that she brought Casey up, because as I've said, some people are born bad, and Casey is one of them. I know a few other mothers who are good people, who didn't EVER deserve what their children did to them. So, right now I won't even go there, because I was not privy to the Anthony's or their life. What many of us find so unforgivable is the actions and flip flopping since Caylee disappeared. Why not use your actions instead of your mouth to find Caylee? Why attack good people who gave their precious time and money to search for her, dead or alive? No appreciation has ever been shown to those who did not judge them, and just GAVE for Caylee.

Cindy hampered the investigation. One of the most recent, and very important fact is regarding D. Casey, which we haven't discussed much ~ how The Anthony family knew he was going to THAT spot, and the abandoned Gonzalez house and didn't say a word to LE about this 'tip'. But they made damn sure everyone knew about the little girl on the cell phone pic in that mall. She laughed at LE behind their backs, and NEVER addressed the lies, oh so many lies, her daughter told to the very same people who were trying to find her beloved grandaughter.

Cindy should be embarrassed. They should take out a full page ad and thank the wonderful people who worked to find Caylee. Yes, even Roy Kronk.


No, we don't have to accept it, mu, and certainly not agree with it.

Hey, wasn't it about the time of the alleged Caylee sighting at the mall that D Casey reported that "they" had people under surveillance? The defense's investigative team sounds like a bunch of crazy stalker people if'n you ask me.

I dunno what to think about Kronk anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Caylee was found. But the more that he talks, the more I worry that the jury will (mis)construe his motives. PUHLEEZ $20,000 for a picture of a rattlesnake? When he needs money so badly to pay his way past due child support? (And it's hard to get much lower than a deadbeat parent.) & his story changes every time he opens his mouth. *please God, make Roy STHU before it's too late. Amen.*

[SaraSidle]

I heard he was leaving but had no idea he was headed to you. Thanks for clearing that up :D Please tell me you will not be too busy for us now with Gil?

oh yes He ends up with SaraSidle but she always has time for you....:beer:

[Amy]

I guess I better go to sleep. I've taken so much allergy med and eye drops that I tried to change the TV channel with the telephone instead of remote control.

Nighty nite http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sleep018.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

I didn't have a viable excuse like allergy meds (good thing, as I was driving) but one day DD and I left for town. Keys, check. Cell phone, check. We're driving down the road and I ask DD to get my phone and make a call. All she could find was the tv remote!!!!:o

[mu8shark]

Clear out your livingroom :D We may need a bus tho as i am sure there will be many snow folks wanting to come. Believe it or not we just had an actual invite by some friends who winter in texas for 3 months. We had to cancel our winter caribbean trip due to FIL illness. Since we just buried him we are getting all kinds of invites. One to Nevada and Long Island friends as well. However we have postponed our winter trip till next year. Right where we need to be right now-here for MIL as she adjusts. We can have fun here tho and pretend right. I hate snow too. So we shall live vicarously thru all u warm weather folks. P.S. I luv cats with attitude :beer:How do you feel about naughty dogs? I don't know why but my dog keeps dragging coffee grounds out of my trash can. I know he does not like to eat them. I keep telling him he is too old to get into this kind of trouble. Maybe that is the point, he is trying to prove there is some still some mischief in the old boy.!!

[lighthousedazy]

It would be so nice for you to go somewhere warm if even 3 nights and 4 days. beem. after what you all went through you deserve a rest. I know.I can sympathize with you girls. I lived all my life in the deep south, but I think I have had hot flashes since I was 10. lol During the summers here I have dreamed of living in Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island. But,,, they are predicting a low of 10 degrees in central SC on Saturday morning. Once when I was in elementary school we had a high of 9 degrees in middle Georgia and back then we did have ice storms at least once a year. Global warming I guess :D . Yes, we do get the freaky weather down south sometimes. :)

[SaraSidle]

You know Sara while I appreciate that you feel differently about Cindy than some of us, you can't really tell us how to feel or what to post about. Not trying to be difficult with ya cause you know I respect your posts and how you feel differently, but she continues to show her dishonest, petty and somewhat low character and it irks some of us and we are going to comment on in, plain and simple. As Loretta said or something close to it, some of us don't believe she deserves a pass. I know I don't believe just because she is the grandmother she can act any way she wants and we need to accept it and agree with her.

I never said she can act anyway and we agree with it. My point was since we have no idea what she is going through and cannot connect her criminally at this point........why the bashing? waste of time and we have no business judging her or talking about why she is how she is cause we do not really know do we? we have no idea what we would do if we were in her shoes or what we would say and how would we feel. let us get on with the case please.

[lighthousedazy]

Hey, wasn't it about the time of the alleged Caylee sighting at the mall that D Casey reported that "they" had people under surveillance? The defense's investigative team sounds like a bunch of crazy stalker people if'n you ask me.

I dunno what to think about Kronk anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Caylee was found. But the more that he talks, the more I worry that the jury will (mis)construe his motives. PUHLEEZ $20,000 for a picture of a rattlesnake? When he needs money so badly to pay his way past due child support? (And it's hard to get much lower than a deadbeat parent.) & his story changes every time he opens his mouth. *please God, make Roy STHU before it's too late. Amen.*I agree. Please, please don't let the defense turn him into Kato Kaitlin. (sp)?

[mu8shark]

Hey, wasn't it about the time of the alleged Caylee sighting at the mall that D Casey reported that "they" had people under surveillance? The defense's investigative team sounds like a bunch of crazy stalker people if'n you ask me.

I dunno what to think about Kronk anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Caylee was found. But the more that he talks, the more I worry that the jury will (mis)construe his motives. PUHLEEZ $20,000 for a picture of a rattlesnake? When he needs money so badly to pay his way past due child support? (And it's hard to get much lower than a deadbeat parent.) & his story changes every time he opens his mouth. *please God, make Roy STHU before it's too late. Amen.* I do wish he would stop talking too. In my closing statement i would say "Now what we know about Mr Kronk is that he is an honest but colorful character. What we also know is that none of Caylee's hair was found in his trunk . And that he seemed more obsessed with finding little Caylee than her Mama ever was. . "

[SaraSidle]

I can sympathize with you girls. I lived all my life in the deep south, but I think I have had hot flashes since I was 10. lol During the summers here I have dreamed of living in Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island. But,,, they are predicting a low of 10 degrees in central SC on Saturday morning. Once when I was in elementary school we had a high of 9 degrees in middle Georgia and back then we did have ice storms at least once a year. Global warming I guess :D . Yes, we do get the freaky weather down south sometimes. :)

I have heard that. my lovely sister in law lives in Atlanta and she tells us so much. if we had more money we wanted to go to Atlanta during the holidays but we could not. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Obstruction of justice, Florida statutes:

843.01 Resisting officer with violence to his or her person.

843.02 Resisting officer without violence to his or her person.

843.021 Unlawful possession of a concealed handcuff key.

843.025 Depriving officer of means of protection or communication.

843.03 Obstruction by disguised person.

843.04 Refusing to assist prison officers in arresting escaped convicts.

843.05 Resisting timber agent.

843.06 Neglect or refusal to aid peace officers.

843.08 Falsely personating officer, etc.

843.081 Prohibited use of certain lights; penalty.

843.085 Unlawful use of police badges or other indicia of authority.

843.0855 Criminal actions under color of law or through use of simulated legal process.

843.09 Escape through voluntary action of officer.

843.10 Escape by negligence of officer.

843.11 Conveying tools into jail to aid escape; forcible rescue.

843.12 Aiding escape.

843.13 Aiding escape of juvenile inmates of correctional institutions.

843.14 Compounding felony.

843.15 Failure of defendant on bail to appear.

843.16 Unlawful to install or transport radio equipment using assigned frequency of state or law enforcement officers; definitions; exceptions; penalties.

843.165 Unauthorized transmissions to and interference with governmental and associated radio frequencies prohibited; penalties; exceptions.

843.167 Unlawful use of police communications; enhanced penalties.

843.17 Publishing name and address of law enforcement officer.

843.18 Boats; fleeing or attempting to elude a law enforcement officer.

843.19 Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses.

843.20 Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program prohibited; penalty; definitions.

843.21 Depriving crime victim of medical care.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0843/titl0843.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D%3EChapter%20843

[mu8shark]

I never said she can act anyway and we agree with it. My point was since we have no idea what she is going through and cannot connect her criminally at this point........why the bashing? waste of time and we have no business judging her or talking about why she is how she is cause we do not really know do we? we have no idea what we would do if we were in her shoes or what we would say and how would we feel. let us get on with the case please.
No I do know I would not give LE the wrong hairbrush. And I would never make a statement to the press that was a total falsehood about what was in someone elses statement. Nor would I personally lie to cover up for the murder of a three year old. So I do know what I would do. As for judging her, we judge almost everyone in this case, so if that is the case, we have no business judging or having an opinion about anyone. I have no idea why she is that way as far as what made her that way, just that she has told some whoppers. Listen there are some things on here I am not as interested in. But I wouldn't tell others their posts are a waste of time. We all come at this case from different viewpoints . I get that you sympathisize with her and seem to understand her, I just don't. And as things come up involving her, I will comment about it. I don't want to pick a fight about it, though.

[mu8shark]

Obstruction of justice, Florida statutes:

843.01 Resisting officer with violence to his or her person.

843.02 Resisting officer without violence to his or her person.

843.021 Unlawful possession of a concealed handcuff key.

843.025 Depriving officer of means of protection or communication.

843.03 Obstruction by disguised person.

843.04 Refusing to assist prison officers in arresting escaped convicts.

843.05 Resisting timber agent.

843.06 Neglect or refusal to aid peace officers.

843.08 Falsely personating officer, etc.

843.081 Prohibited use of certain lights; penalty.

843.085 Unlawful use of police badges or other indicia of authority.

843.0855 Criminal actions under color of law or through use of simulated legal process.

843.09 Escape through voluntary action of officer.

843.10 Escape by negligence of officer.

843.11 Conveying tools into jail to aid escape; forcible rescue.

843.12 Aiding escape.

843.13 Aiding escape of juvenile inmates of correctional institutions.

843.14 Compounding felony.

843.15 Failure of defendant on bail to appear.

843.16 Unlawful to install or transport radio equipment using assigned frequency of state or law enforcement officers; definitions; exceptions; penalties.

843.165 Unauthorized transmissions to and interference with governmental and associated radio frequencies prohibited; penalties; exceptions.

843.167 Unlawful use of police communications; enhanced penalties.

843.17 Publishing name and address of law enforcement officer.

843.18 Boats; fleeing or attempting to elude a law enforcement officer.

843.19 Offenses against police dogs, fire dogs, SAR dogs, or police horses.

843.20 Harassment of participant of neighborhood crime watch program prohibited; penalty; definitions.

843.21 Depriving crime victim of medical care.


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/STATUTES/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0843/titl0843.htm&StatuteYear=2008&Title=%2D%3E2008%2D%3EChapter%20843 Some of these are quite funny. I guess we can rule out resisting the timber agent and the handcuff key one. LOL Seriously I wonder if it is the compounding the felony one as in I had some info I believed might locate the body and kept it to myself.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree. Please, please don't let the defense turn him into Kato Kaitlin. (sp)?

Yep. Kronk's attorney is lousy as an advisor.

I do wish he would stop talking too. In my closing statement i would say "Now what we know about Mr Kronk is that he is an honest but colorful character. What we also know is that none of Caylee's hair was found in his trunk . And that he seemed more obsessed with finding little Caylee than her Mama ever was. . "

I like it! I just wish if Kronk was going to tell a story, it only had one version.

[Amy]

I found it quite by accident! The Liar stated to the girlfriend of Tony's roommate that she pays the Nanny $400 a week.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608mariakissh/1/lg/Maria_Kissh_Page_07.htm

Thanks for finding that!!! I was just sure I had read $400 @ one point.

[lorettalockhorn]

Some of these are quite funny. I guess we can rule out resisting the timber agent and the handcuff key one. LOL Seriously I wonder if it is the compounding the felony one as in I had some info I believed might locate the body and kept it to myself.

hehehe I've got timber property, and let me tell you, if a timber agent makes as much money as a land man, I would not resist!

As for Cindy the lies are in there, and the hairbrush is covered (depending on which version is true; the email version, or the media version), and any lie or withholding of evidence, or washing clothes or salting away clothing or bedding with the defense attorney, or cleaning out the trunk (as has been suggested that George may have done), or lying about when Casey and Caylee were last seen IS compounding a felony.

[SaraSidle]

No I do know I would not give LE the wrong hairbrush. And I would never make a statement to the press that was a total falsehood about what was in someone elses statement. Nor would I personally lie to cover up for the murder of a three year old. So I do know what I would do. As for judging her, we judge almost everyone in this case, so if that is the case, we have no business judging or having an opinion about anyone. I have no idea why she is that way as far as what made her that way, just that she has told some whoppers. Listen there are some things on here I am not as interested in. But I wouldn't tell others their posts are a waste of time. We all come at this case from different viewpoints . I get that you sympathisize with her and seem to understand her, I just don't. And as things come up involving her, I will comment about it. I don't want to pick a fight about it, though.

interesting you have criminal evidence on her. I am sorry I had not heard that. I only heard about the hairbrush and when a lot of woman live in one house it usually is not strange to share it. I guess I must have missed a lot of other information. I will just read for a while and see what evidence I missed. I am sorry you are upset that I expressed an opinion. Keep on going. IMO sara and again I am glad you are not in her shoes.

[mu8shark]

Yep. Kronk's attorney is lousy as an advisor.



I like it! I just wish if Kronk was going to tell a story, it only had one version. My cousin and I have a term for these kind of witnesses . Tornado witnesses. Because in the midwest the people on tv who witness the tornado always feel the need to elaborate and go on and on and make the story better, when really the fact that you lived through a tornado should be interesting enough. And the fact that he found the body really should suffice, he doesn't need to come on days later and tell us maybe he saw a skull after all on second thought. LOL.

[Amy]

Wow, the liar must have a darn good paying job. :eek: :D Oh goodness, I know an attorney couple and engineering couple that don't pay half that much for the babysitter.

16 years or so ago, I was paying a lady to come in to watch my kiddlies for 6 hours, @ $2 an hour FOR EACH (16 years ago, that was MUCH higher than the going rate, I might add.) I figure that as $72/week, or $288 a month for TWO--I can't imagine that, even w/the cost of inflation, it would be $400/month for ONE!!!!

[Amy]

Are you sure about that...It's brand new...She never used it! LOL

LOL. Others posted that she didn't have one. I was thinking along it was made of stone or cold as ice.

[lighthousedazy]

Thank you beem. It helps when someone is understanding. There are many who are on a crusade to stop smokers from smoking outdoors lol! I have lots of rationalizations if you need some. How much I smoke depends on a few things. One is, how late I stay awake. Two is, how nervous I get, and Three is, I'm not paying attention to how much I'm smoking. If I'm online, I smoke unconsciously. But I can't stand an ashtray with butts in it or the smell of it in my hair. :shrug: So I'm in the shower often and I never wear the same outfit twice. I remember when there were ashtrays in the doctor's office and in the supermarkets. Those days are gone! In Europe I found accommodations for smokers in the elevators! Imagine that?I hear you Dan. I remember when my oldest was a baby there was ash trays in the pediatricians waiting room. :eek: I can sympathize with you, I smoked for 36 years. Hubby and I quit 2 years ago. He had his first heart attack at 34. Since then he has had several heart attacks, angioplasty 3 times, quad bypass, stints, pacemaker, and still has to pop a few nitros a week. And he can't walk very long with out giving out of breath and is a diabetic and has back trouble. No I am not trying to scare anybody. As you say, "I am going to die anyway, I might as well enjoy it." But,,, it is the quality of life maybe not the quantity. Most of my relatives, (not my dad, lung cancer) died peacefully in their sleep in their 90's, without pain. When I was young I worked as a ward clerk at a hospital. There was a man admitted with lung cancer. I heard his every scream with pain, and he had been given enough morphine to kill a horse. :( It is a horrible addiction, I know. You can say "I enjoy it." I enjoy chocolate cake, but would I enjoy 40 pieces of chocalate cake every day. :o jmo ps. one of my motivators was the cost. I am a tight wad. :)

[mu8shark]

interesting you have criminal evidence on her. I am sorry I had not heard that. I only heard about the hairbrush and when a lot of woman live in one house it usually is not strange to share it. I guess I must have missed a lot of other information. I will just read for a while and see what evidence I missed. I am sorry you are upset that I expressed an opinion. Keep on going. IMO sara and again I am glad you are not in her shoes. Now I never said I have criminal evidence on her, but morally she has lied, she did say that the tow yard manager in his statement said the car did not have that smell until after five days at the tow yard and if anyone can find that in his statement i will eat my hat.I have read that document about five times. I consider that a lie. She also said she saw the pizza box when both George and the tow yard manager place her only in the office not anywhere near the trash in the trunk which both said was tossed in the dumpster.I consider that a lie. She also said that all of the photos taken of Casey were taken before Caylee was missing and the photographers were just trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame. That is a blatant lie, As for the hairbrush there would be nothing wrong with her giving them the hairbrush with Caylee and Caseys hair in it but to say in that email that she did not want to give them the one with just Caylees hair indicates she is not doing all she can for Caylee, but she is concerned with doing all she can for Casey. And I am fine with your opinion and your defending her. I get that you understand her and want the rest of us too. I was just upset you tell others that to post our negative opinions is a waste of time. As I said there are things in the case I am kind of thinking are a waste of time and won't amount to a hill of beans, like frankly and I am not knocking anyones posts on this because I have chimed in, but frankly I don't Kronk is going to amount to much at all, By the time this is all over he won't even be a good distraction for the defense because there is not piece of evidence that connects him to Caylees murder. But I would never tell people to stop talking about him or bashing him or whatever. I get it you have a soft spot for her. Maybe it is just my personality and I am more cynical and critical, but I do call them as I see them and note I said as I see them. I absolutely only speak for myself.

[Amy]

ITA Dr. Lee used to have a great reputation until the Phil Spector case now I think he's a joke.

Both Dr Lee and Dr Baden were hired by the defense in the Scott Peterson trial. A lot of people @ the time were angry and tho't they had sold out, were unprofessional, etc etc etc. I think they both were still honorable professionals @ that time, because neither were called to testify altho they were on the witness list, and I think the reason they were not called was because their testimony would not have aided the defense in anyway.

Then, Dr Lee is spewing ketchup in the court room in Michael Peterson's trial. Wonder what went on between the time of the two trials? The Peterson East trial was before his Spector spectacle.

[mu8shark]

Both Dr Lee and Dr Baden were hired by the defense in the Scott Peterson trial. A lot of people @ the time were angry and tho't they had sold out, were unprofessional, etc etc etc. I think they both were still honorable professionals @ that time, because neither were called to testify altho they were on the witness list, and I think the reason they were not called was because their testimony would not have aided the defense in anyway.

Then, Dr Lee is spewing ketchup in the court room in Michael Peterson's trial. Wonder what went on between the time of the two trials? The Peterson East trial was before his Spector spectacle.I am just guessing from the things Baden has said on tv, his opinion in this case would not be helpful to the defense. I really like Dr Perper a lot and would love to see him testify for the prosecution, as a second opinion to go along with Dr G. Perper seems just completely unfazed by media attention and when he does not know he says he does not know, he does not try to bedazzle. His conduct in the Anna Nicole Smith case was impeccable in my opinion. He never tried to make a more sensational theory or story when the truth was somewhat mundane and I might add , sad.

[Amy]

Hey, wasn't it about the time of the alleged Caylee sighting at the mall that D Casey reported that "they" had people under surveillance? The defense's investigative team sounds like a bunch of crazy stalker people if'n you ask me.

I dunno what to think about Kronk anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am glad that Caylee was found. But the more that he talks, the more I worry that the jury will (mis)construe his motives. PUHLEEZ $20,000 for a picture of a rattlesnake? When he needs money so badly to pay his way past due child support? (And it's hard to get much lower than a deadbeat parent.) & his story changes every time he opens his mouth. *please God, make Roy STHU before it's too late. Amen.*

I don't remember the dates on anything, but George's statement about Caylee having been moved 9 times, always just before their PI got there was some time before the girl in the mall pic came about. And, even before that, pretty much @ the beginning was when he said the kidnappers were watching them (threats to family) and that they were watching the kidnappers---HELLOOO--GEORGE!!! If you are WATCHING them, you know WHERE they are, why don't you tell the FBI, you know, the guys with the EXPERIENCE to take them down?

The legal analyst pretty much said the same thing about the meter reader. This guy needs to act as he did (responsibly) the day he gave his pc--pretty much, I don't have anything to say. Then, stay out of the spotlight. I guess it's a natural instinct to want to defend yourself against public opinion, but I wonder if he still has the same lawyer @ his side? I'm guessing his lawyer probably advised him to not talk anymore. But, maybe the network made an offer he couldn't refuse, and maybe they told him they want the interview NOW, or all deals are off?

[mu8shark]

The very worst thing MOO someone can do to ME is lie to my face. This is what she did, with LE, then laughed about it . While I feel she IS criminally negligable (for many reasons), LE will never go after her because she IS a grieving grandmother, and we ALL do feel for her in that way. It wouldn't look good to the jury, and it's a moot point anyway.

Funny thing though, Casey did the same exact thing, didn't she? The trips to sawgrass apts., universal, the park...she looked them straight in the eye and even went there!

What a bunch, I tell ya! You know tecnnically I am not sure that LE could go after her because her lies have mostly been to the media. If she lies under oath I suppose they could if she comes up with something outrageous enough like she met the Nanny. But even if she gets up there and shades the truth, LE won't go after her because you are right it would be moot and bad public relations and they don't really want her, they want Casey. Frankly, I bet some in LE have resigned themselves to the fact that if she told someone in that email that Casey would be proven innocent in court, she won't be much help anyway. I always said I would not call her for much, maybe just the damn dead body statement. I would call George however. Whatever he told the grand jury must have been helpful or they would not have called him and he can't go back on that without risking perjury charges.

[One2Snoop]

I found it quite by accident! The Liar stated to the girlfriend of Tony's roommate that she pays the Nanny $400 a week.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608mariakissh/1/lg/Maria_Kissh_Page_07.htm

Damn! I want that non-existent job! :seeya: :biggrin:

[mu8shark]

I don't remember the dates on anything, but George's statement about Caylee having been moved 9 times, always just before their PI got there was some time before the girl in the mall pic came about. And, even before that, pretty much @ the beginning was when he said the kidnappers were watching them (threats to family) and that they were watching the kidnappers---HELLOOO--GEORGE!!! If you are WATCHING them, you know WHERE they are, why don't you tell the FBI, you know, the guys with the EXPERIENCE to take them down?

The legal analyst pretty much said the same thing about the meter reader. This guy needs to act as he did (responsibly) the day he gave his pc--pretty much, I don't have anything to say. Then, stay out of the spotlight. I guess it's a natural instinct to want to defend yourself against public opinion, but I wonder if he still has the same lawyer @ his side? I'm guessing his lawyer probably advised him to not talk anymore. But, maybe the network made an offer he couldn't refuse, and maybe they told him they want the interview NOW, or all deals are off?Boy would that not be wonderful for LE if he just shut up! I think you hit the nail on the head he probably got another lawyer who said you Know Roy I can make ya some money or the one he had gave into the temptation. Something simple like "I did my civic duty and had nothing to do with the crime." would be absolute heaven for the prosecution.

[Amy]

My cousin and I have a term for these kind of witnesses . Tornado witnesses. Because in the midwest the people on tv who witness the tornado always feel the need to elaborate and go on and on and make the story better, when really the fact that you lived through a tornado should be interesting enough. And the fact that he found the body really should suffice, he doesn't need to come on days later and tell us maybe he saw a skull after all on second thought. LOL.

And it would be important to stick to one version of WHY he was there. The stopping for a potty break, or the fact that he was thru reading meters for the day, but it was some time before he had to report back to the office and his interest in the case and his bounty hunter etc experience influenced his wanting to look around.

I personally thing that he should make a point of WHICH time he is talking about when he says something. Because some times (after hearing the 911 calls) I think he is talking about Aug 11, sometimes Aug 12 or 13, and sometimes Dec11. That COULD explain some of the conflicting statements, if he was talking about one of the Aug dates and people think he is talking about Dec11. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

My cousin and I have a term for these kind of witnesses . Tornado witnesses. Because in the midwest the people on tv who witness the tornado always feel the need to elaborate and go on and on and make the story better, when really the fact that you lived through a tornado should be interesting enough. And the fact that he found the body really should suffice, he doesn't need to come on days later and tell us maybe he saw a skull after all on second thought. LOL.

I have a hard time understanding how the skull (if that's what he saw), got back into the bag and was still there when he picked up the bag all those months later. And to be honest, if I had to wee wee, I would find someplace that wasn't infested with 6 1/2 foot rattlers. One look at the pic on my cellphone, and I'd keep going until I hit the Seven Eleven.

[One2Snoop]

I'm gonna make a stipulation that, if I ever need a heart transplant, if it's from Casey Anthony, I will pass, thank you very much.

Are you sure about that...It's brand new...She never used it! LOL

OMG! ROFLMAO! http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0187.gif

[mu8shark]

I have a hard time understanding how the skull (if that's what he saw), got back into the bag and was still there when he picked up the bag all those months later. And to be honest, if I had to wee wee, I would find someplace that wasn't infested with 6 1/2 foot rattlers. One look at the pic on my cellphone, and I'd keep going until I hit the Seven Eleven. Here is my take on that little jewel. I think he did say he saw something white on the 911 tape in Aug and now that he knows for sure it was the bones he is saying to himself, Yeah what i saw was the skull sticking out. He can't possibly mean he definitely knew it was skull in Aug. I just wish he would shut the hell up, It would be sheer heaven if he would. And actually you probably have a point that he did not see what he thought he saw because it could not jump back in the bag, maybe he saw other bones.

[Amy]

I hear you Dan. I remember when my oldest was a baby there was ash trays in the pediatricians waiting room. :eek: I can sympathize with you, I smoked for 36 years. Hubby and I quit 2 years ago. He had his first heart attack at 34. Since then he has had several heart attacks, angioplasty 3 times, quad bypass, stints, pacemaker, and still has to pop a few nitros a week. And he can't walk very long with out giving out of breath and is a diabetic and has back trouble. No I am not trying to scare anybody. As you say, "I am going to die anyway, I might as well enjoy it." But,,, it is the quality of life maybe not the quantity. Most of my relatives, (not my dad, lung cancer) died peacefully in their sleep in their 90's, without pain. When I was young I worked as a ward clerk at a hospital. There was a man admitted with lung cancer. I heard his every scream with pain, and he had been given enough morphine to kill a horse. :( It is a horrible addiction, I know. You can say "I enjoy it." I enjoy chocolate cake, but would I enjoy 40 pieces of chocalate cake every day. :o jmo ps. one of my motivators was the cost. I am a tight wad. :)

I remember a man dying of lung cancer who requested the oxygen being shut off long enough for him to smoke. The surgeon asked me, now WHY would he still want to smoke, when he KNOWS the cigarettes put him where he is now. I asked the good doctor if NOT having a cigarette today was going to add any days to this man's life. Of course not. The man LIKED his cigarettes, so why deny him that pleasure his last days?

[lorettalockhorn]

Both Dr Lee and Dr Baden were hired by the defense in the Scott Peterson trial. A lot of people @ the time were angry and tho't they had sold out, were unprofessional, etc etc etc. I think they both were still honorable professionals @ that time, because neither were called to testify altho they were on the witness list, and I think the reason they were not called was because their testimony would not have aided the defense in anyway.

Then, Dr Lee is spewing ketchup in the court room in Michael Peterson's trial. Wonder what went on between the time of the two trials? The Peterson East trial was before his Spector spectacle.

Somehow, I see the defense hiring a slew of experts as posturing. If and when they might be able to scientifically contradict and/or obfuscate what The State's experts are saying, they might be called.

[lighthousedazy]

I remember a man dying of lung cancer who requested the oxygen being shut off long enough for him to smoke. The surgeon asked me, now WHY would he still want to smoke, when he KNOWS the cigarettes put him where he is now. I asked the good doctor if NOT having a cigarette today was going to add any days to this man's life. Of course not. The man LIKED his cigarettes, so why deny him that pleasure his last days?

I know what you are saying. My motherin law was a heavy smoker and was near the end. My brother asked if she had stopped smoking and I said no. My mom who hated tobacco products, etc. said that "she should enjoy what she wants to do." I agree.

[One2Snoop]

Here is my take on that little jewel. I think he did say he saw something white on the 911 tape in Aug and now that he knows for sure it was the bones he is saying to himself, Yeah what i saw was the skull sticking out. He can't possibly mean he definitely knew it was skull in Aug. I just wish he would shut the hell up, It would be sheer heaven if he would. And actually you probably have a point that he did not see what he thought he saw because it could not jump back in the bag, maybe he saw other bones.


I was thinking about this earlier tonight - question? Would it actually be a skull by then? (June 15 - Aug? when Kronk says he saw something). Maybe it was the shape he was referring to? Anyone recall what color the clothing was that was found in the bag?

[Amy]

Now I never said I have criminal evidence on her, but morally she has lied, she did say that the tow yard manager in his statement said the car did not have that smell until after five days at the tow yard and if anyone can find that in his statement i will eat my hat.I have read that document about five times. I consider that a lie. She also said she saw the pizza box when both George and the tow yard manager place her only in the office not anywhere near the trash in the trunk which both said was tossed in the dumpster.I consider that a lie. She also said that all of the photos taken of Casey were taken before Caylee was missing and the photographers were just trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame. That is a blatant lie, As for the hairbrush there would be nothing wrong with her giving them the hairbrush with Caylee and Caseys hair in it but to say in that email that she did not want to give them the one with just Caylees hair indicates she is not doing all she can for Caylee, but she is concerned with doing all she can for Casey.

....snip


Another thing that bowled me over was the night she was on LKL. Now, from the first, she backpedaled about saying the dead body smell. LK plays THE 911 TAPE where anyone listening hears her say "dead body." And, when asked when she changed her mind, she insists she NEVER changed her mind, she NEVER said it smelled like a dead body!!!!

To give her credit, tho, she does seem to be the one telling the truth about George chasing after Casey in the car. She says it never happened, and the ecard or whatever that was seemed to back up her on that.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know tecnnically I am not sure that LE could go after her because her lies have mostly been to the media. If she lies under oath I suppose they could if she comes up with something outrageous enough like she met the Nanny. But even if she gets up there and shades the truth, LE won't go after her because you are right it would be moot and bad public relations and they don't really want her, they want Casey. Frankly, I bet some in LE have resigned themselves to the fact that if she told someone in that email that Casey would be proven innocent in court, she won't be much help anyway. I always said I would not call her for much, maybe just the damn dead body statement. I would call George however. Whatever he told the grand jury must have been helpful or they would not have called him and he can't go back on that without risking perjury charges.

Her lies to the media shined (shone?) a light on her sworn statements to LE, and make us wonder which is the lie and which is the truth. However, you are right, it may all be moot. The jury may never know about her antics and her inability to tell the truth. If you ask me, G&C will be lucky to have the chance at a second interview, with or without immunity. One of the purposes of a deposition is to establish honesty and character, and to make comparisons when the witness is in court.

[lighthousedazy]

I was thinking about this earlier tonight - question? Would it actually be a skull by then? (June 15 - Aug? when Kronk says he saw something). Maybe it was the shape he was referring to? Anyone recall what color the clothing was that was found in the bag?jmo, even in the Florida heat and humidity, it may not have been a skull by then, especially if the remains or bag was partially submerged in water. I don't know for sure, but I think there was heavy rain in the area before TS Faye came through. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking about this earlier tonight - question? Would it actually be a skull by then? (June 15 - Aug? when Kronk says he saw something). Maybe it was the shape he was referring to? Anyone recall what color the clothing was that was found in the bag?

I think the skull would have been skeletonized by August.

[One2Snoop]

Whyfore yoo no kin undirstann hem. He tawk velly Clwearry abow ebidind and he wiw nebber spit catsup to mayke poiwt agenn. He know hiz ****t. He good. Yoo wiwl see hem in dis twail gibb good show.

;)

ROFLMAO Danagher - I'm peein' my pants - now stop it. :punch:

[One2Snoop]

I think the skull would have been skeletonized by August.

That seems such a short period of time but you're probably right. Now that you mention it, I'm thinking back on the Taylor Behl case where her body was basically skeletonized by the time they found it a month later.

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting thing a lot of people missed.........the first day on That route for him was the first day he saw that bag. (was it Aug 11th?) I heard him say it, and then I understood why he didn't know the name of the school.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because it could be the vicodin I just took talkin to me :D. My back's feeling better....this is the last night for V....the rest I'll hoard, unless you want some.

Not sure if he took the picture on 8/11, 12, or 13. But I still wouldn't have gone in there to whiz in December. :eek:

So glad that your back is getting back to normal! Thanks for the offer, but I still have 28. (You know you're an OCD hoarder when you keep count of your pills.)

[lorettalockhorn]

That seems such a short period of time but you're probably right. Now that you mention it, I'm thinking back on the Taylor Behl case where her body was basically skeletonized by the time they found it a month later.

Just going by this, I would think so after almost eight weeks when Kronk first came on the scene:

After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

[One2Snoop]

Just going by this, I would think so after almost eight weeks when Kronk first came on the scene:

After 3 weeks:
24} The skin, hair, and nails are so loose they can be easily pulled off the corpse
25} The skin cracks and bursts open in many places because of the pressure of Internal gases and the breakdown of the skin itself
26} Decomposition will continue until body is nothing but skeletal remains, which can take as little as a month in hot climates and two months in cold climates. The teeth are often the only thing left, years and centuries later, because tooth enamel is the strongest substance in the body. The jawbone is the densest, so that usually will also remain.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

:eek: eeeeeee - thanks for the info.

[One2Snoop]

OK you late nighters, time for me to crawl under my heated blanket and catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. great posts. We all agree, it's all about Caylee, isn't it. It's all about Caylee.

nighty nite! :)

G'night old_soul - :seeya: Sweet dreams. (if there is such a thing after reading here today)

[Lodi]

Here is my take on that little jewel. I think he did say he saw something white on the 911 tape in Aug and now that he knows for sure it was the bones he is saying to himself, Yeah what i saw was the skull sticking out. He can't possibly mean he definitely knew it was skull in Aug. I just wish he would shut the hell up, It would be sheer heaven if he would. And actually you probably have a point that he did not see what he thought he saw because it could not jump back in the bag, maybe he saw other bones.

My take on it (as I said before) is that he knew Aug 11 that it was a skull. He mistakenly thought he would be talking to some alert person when he reported it. A couple of days later when the officer met him at the site, he thought he would be taken seriously but again he was mistaken. He didn't just see a trash bag, he saw Caylee's skull. For some reason, he couldn't bring himself to make the officer understand. Now he's slowly bringing out the whole story.

[lorettalockhorn]

Whyfore yoo no kin undirstann hem. He tawk velly Clwearry abow ebidind and he wiw nebber spit catsup to mayke poiwt agenn. He know hiz ****t. He good. Yoo wiwl see hem in dis twail gibb good show.

;)

LMAOOOOOOOOO

(Wouldn't it be funny if after all this time in the USofA, he really sounds just like John Wayne, but the way he talks in public is an affectation?

[lighthousedazy]

My take on it (as I said before) is that he knew Aug 11 that it was a skull. He mistakenly thought he would be talking to some alert person when he reported it. A couple of days later when the officer met him at the site, he thought he would be taken seriously but again he was mistaken. He didn't just see a trash bag, he saw Caylee's skull. For some reason, he couldn't bring himself to make the officer understand. Now he's slowly bringing out the whole story.Very strange. If I had seen a skull out in the woods, I would have made sure that the authorities would have known about it, even if I had to call the FBI after getting no response from the local LE. jmo Another thing I just can't understand either, when I worked as a dispatcher, we had to take every call seriously even if we knew it was one of our hoax callers.

[mu8shark]

I was thinking about this earlier tonight - question? Would it actually be a skull by then? (June 15 - Aug? when Kronk says he saw something). Maybe it was the shape he was referring to? Anyone recall what color the clothing was that was found in the bag? I believe on JVM she asked exactly that , would it be a skull and the forensic talking head said yes it would be probably in the Florida heat and due to the animals.

[lighthousedazy]

Good night folks. I have probably worn out my welcome with the rum and cokes. This case is so depressing. Rest in peace Caylee and may justice be served. :rose:

[mu8shark]

Another thing that bowled me over was the night she was on LKL. Now, from the first, she backpedaled about saying the dead body smell. LK plays THE 911 TAPE where anyone listening hears her say "dead body." And, when asked when she changed her mind, she insists she NEVER changed her mind, she NEVER said it smelled like a dead body!!!!
To give her credit, tho, she does seem to be the one telling the truth about George chasing after Casey in the car. She says it never happened, and the ecard or whatever that was seemed to back up her on that.One of the most interesting things if you can call it that is the way that Casey lies. She tells her lies like a child. Surely she must know that her lie can be easily disproven and you know how when children lie, "I did not eat a cookie" and the evidence is all over their face, they still stick to the lie. You ask them, "Why are those crumbs all over your face?" and they say,"I don't know how that got there but I did not eat a cookie." This is how Casey lies , no matter what LE says she says over and over "I left her with the nanny." To some extent I think Cindy does this. I mean surely she has heard that tape of the 911 call a million times. In fact she has been questioned about it by the media and even protesters. So she knows that is a lie and she knows it can be proven that she said that but she still did not eat the proverbial cookie. In the Scott Peterson case his mother told him on the phone deny, deny, deny and I think people think if they keep doing that someone will believe that what they are saying is the truth. And I think that does happen. But the trouble is LE deals in detecting lies , it the nature of the business. I have always been puzzled why Casey did not have a better story, like we were at the park and she wandered off or I was in Sears and she suddenly was not there. I mean that would be so much harder to disprove would it not?Even Susan Smith car jacker story was not immediately disproved as fast as Caseys was. Not saying I wish she had found a better lie but..... sure is puzzling how she thought that was a good story.

[crowamongdoves]

Whyfore yoo no kin undirstann hem. He tawk velly Clwearry abow ebidind and he wiw nebber spit catsup to mayke poiwt agenn. He know hiz ****t. He good. Yoo wiwl see hem in dis twail gibb good show.

;)

ROFLMAO
By the time I figure out what Henwee is saying he's onto the next sentence, then NG cuts him off and I'm lost ...

[Lodi]

Very strange. If I had seen a skull out in the woods, I would have made sure that the authorities would have known about it, even if I had to call the FBI after getting no response from the local LE. jmo Another thing I just can't understand either, when I worked as a dispatcher, we had to take every call seriously even if we knew it was one of our hoax callers.

He was probably hoping LE would take over once he gave them the location and description but he didn't impress them enough. In the recent interview, he made the point that he had been a bounty hunter and therefore trained to do this type thing. I think that says that he went into the woods purposely looking for Caylee. But being a humble person, he changed the story to accidentally finding the body while relieving himself.

[crowamongdoves]

One of the most interesting things if you can call it that is the way that Casey lies. She tells her lies like a child. Surely she must know that her lie can be easily disproven and you know how when children lie, "I did not eat a cookie" and the evidence is all over their face, they still stick to the lie. You ask them, "Why are those crumbs all over your face?" and they say,"I don't know how that got there but I did not eat a cookie." This is how Casey lies , no matter what LE says she says over and over "I left her with the nanny." To some extent I think Cindy does this. I mean surely she has heard that tape of the 911 call a million times. In fact she has been questioned about it by the media and even protesters. So she knows that is a lie and she knows it can be proven that she said that but she still did not eat the proverbial cookie. In the Scott Peterson case his mother told him on the phone deny, deny, deny and I think people think if they keep doing that someone will believe that what they are saying is the truth. And I think that does happen. But the trouble is LE deals in detecting lies , it the nature of the business. I have always been puzzled why Casey did not have a better story, like we were at the park and she wandered off or I was in Sears and she suddenly was not there. I mean that would be so much harder to disprove would it not?Even Susan Smith car jacker story was not immediately disproved as fast as Caseys was. Not saying I wish she had found a better lie but..... sure is puzzling how she thought that was a good story.

I've pondered that same thing, there were more plausible stories to tell IMO

[deacon]

I can sympathize with you girls. I lived all my life in the deep south, but I think I have had hot flashes since I was 10. lol During the summers here I have dreamed of living in Nova Scotia or Prince Edward Island. But,,, they are predicting a low of 10 degrees in central SC on Saturday morning. Once when I was in elementary school we had a high of 9 degrees in middle Georgia and back then we did have ice storms at least once a year. Global warming I guess :D . Yes, we do get the freaky weather down south sometimes. :)

Yes, and I have to work in that. Sometimes I wonder what happened to global warming. (joke) It sure isn't warm here right now. I HATE COLD WEATHER!!!!:flamemad:

[eatcupcakes]

One of the most interesting things if you can call it that is the way that Casey lies. She tells her lies like a child. Surely she must know that her lie can be easily disproven and you know how when children lie, "I did not eat a cookie" and the evidence is all over their face, they still stick to the lie. You ask them, "Why are those crumbs all over your face?" and they say,"I don't know how that got there but I did not eat a cookie." This is how Casey lies , no matter what LE says she says over and over "I left her with the nanny." To some extent I think Cindy does this. I mean surely she has heard that tape of the 911 call a million times. In fact she has been questioned about it by the media and even protesters. So she knows that is a lie and she knows it can be proven that she said that but she still did not eat the proverbial cookie. In the Scott Peterson case his mother told him on the phone deny, deny, deny and I think people think if they keep doing that someone will believe that what they are saying is the truth. And I think that does happen. But the trouble is LE deals in detecting lies , it the nature of the business. I have always been puzzled why Casey did not have a better story, like we were at the park and she wandered off or I was in Sears and she suddenly was not there. I mean that would be so much harder to disprove would it not?Even Susan Smith car jacker story was not immediately disproved as fast as Caseys was. Not saying I wish she had found a better lie but..... sure is puzzling how she thought that was a good story.

The Liar lied all her life. Cindy was the enabler who would accept any lie she was told. When the Liar said "I don't know how the crumbs got on my face" I would bet Cindy said Okay I am so sorry I blamed you. That is why she is not a creative lier. She never had to be.

I also think Cindy is a pretty good liar herself. So the apple did not fall far from the tree. I do not usually place blame on anyone but in this case I feel Cindy is complicant in Caylee death. She did not let Casey give her up and she did not protect her enought from this crazy mother who never wanted her to begin with. When Casey wanted to give her away and Cindy nixed it I really don't understand why she and George did not step up and adopt her. The certainly loved her like their own. :shrug:

[eatcupcakes]

I cant understand him either and all he does is further confuse me as i strain to figure out what he is saying and what the heck it means. Well they can bring in all the big guns they want. If they dont call them we will certainly know their findings did not fit into the defense.

Henry Wee, LOL is a very intellegent man and he should be able to speak English much better than he does. I think he can but he knows that people are straining so hard to understand him they they have the time to think of questions to chaglange him. I don't think he knows as much as people think he does and if I was a juror on a murder trial and he was testifying I would not be so sure I would believe him. If jurors can't understand him, he should not be allowed to testify. Learn English Henry.:D

[deputydi]

The Liar lied all her life. Cindy was the enabler who would accept any lie she was told. When the Liar said "I don't know how the crumbs got on my face" I would bet Cindy said Okay I am so sorry I blamed you. That is why she is not a creative lier. She never had to be.

I also think Cindy is a pretty good liar herself. So the apple did not fall far from the tree. I do not usually place blame on anyone but in this case I feel Cindy is complicant in Caylee death. She did not let Casey give her up and she did not protect her enought from this crazy mother who never wanted her to begin with. When Casey wanted to give her away and Cindy nixed it I really don't understand why she and George did not step up and adopt her. The certainly loved her like their own. :shrug:
NO ONE is responsible for Caylee's death other than Casey. Cindy may not have been the perfect mother, but to say she is even partially responsible for the death of her granddaughter is, IMO, irresponsible and unfair. Casey was an ADULT who seemed to have no problem controlling her parents in other areas. She COULD HAVE asserted her rights as an ADULT WOMAN and had an abortion or given the child up for adoption despite what her mother wanted. No one, as far as I can tell, held a gun to her head. She COULD HAVE left Caylee with her mother and vanished if she was intent on a life without the responsibility of a small child. SHE CHOSE not to do any of those things.

I don't much care what anyone thinks of Cindy personally, but to say she was somehow complicent in Caylee's death is ridiculous.

[deacon]

One of the most interesting things if you can call it that is the way that Casey lies. She tells her lies like a child. Surely she must know that her lie can be easily disproven and you know how when children lie, "I did not eat a cookie" and the evidence is all over their face, they still stick to the lie. You ask them, "Why are those crumbs all over your face?" and they say,"I don't know how that got there but I did not eat a cookie." This is how Casey lies , no matter what LE says she says over and over "I left her with the nanny." To some extent I think Cindy does this. I mean surely she has heard that tape of the 911 call a million times. In fact she has been questioned about it by the media and even protesters. So she knows that is a lie and she knows it can be proven that she said that but she still did not eat the proverbial cookie. In the Scott Peterson case his mother told him on the phone deny, deny, deny and I think people think if they keep doing that someone will believe that what they are saying is the truth. And I think that does happen. But the trouble is LE deals in detecting lies , it the nature of the business. I have always been puzzled why Casey did not have a better story, like we were at the park and she wandered off or I was in Sears and she suddenly was not there. I mean that would be so much harder to disprove would it not?Even Susan Smith car jacker story was not immediately disproved as fast as Caseys was. Not saying I wish she had found a better lie but..... sure is puzzling how she thought that was a good story.


I don't think it is the story that will get her in the end but how long it took her to tell it. 30 days? My mother would have been screaming to LE in two minutes. No matter which "story" she told you look at. And there is more than one. (need to stick to the same lie.) Timing is everything when you try to decieve. Specially the police. There was just too much time between the supposed act and the report. The "I was investigating myself" bull stuff is just not going to fly with a jury.

[shadydaisy]

Yes, and I have to work in that. Sometimes I wonder what happened to global warming. (joke) It sure isn't warm here right now. I HATE COLD WEATHER!!!!:flamemad:

4 degrees when I woke up this am and I had to go out to the barn and check the ewes - lambing season is upon us. My office is a balmy 64 degrees.

Deason said I don't think it is the story that will get her in the end but how long it took her to tell it. 30 days? My mother would have been screaming to LE in two minutes. No matter which "story" she told you look at. And there is more than one. (need to stick to the same lie.) Timing is everything when you try to decieve. Specially the police. There was just too much time between the supposed act and the report. The "I was investigating myself" bull stuff is just not going to fly with a jury.

The story (stories!) was BS from the get go. Her parents, LE, the general public ALL knew it. Mom's with missing children don't go around acting as if everything is OK. They don't go to clubs, get tattoos, and hang out with a boyfriend. You lose you child for 5 minutes in a department store and you feel a crushing pain in your chest, you can't breath and you are in complete panic mode.

[deacon]

4 degrees when I woke up this am and I had to go out to the barn and check the ewes - lambing season is upon us. My office is a balmy 64 degrees.

Deason said I don't think it is the story that will get her in the end but how long it took her to tell it. 30 days? My mother would have been screaming to LE in two minutes. No matter which "story" she told you look at. And there is more than one. (need to stick to the same lie.) Timing is everything when you try to decieve. Specially the police. There was just too much time between the supposed act and the report. The "I was investigating myself" bull stuff is just not going to fly with a jury.

The story (stories!) was BS from the get go. Her parents, LE, the general public ALL knew it. Mom's with missing children don't go around acting as if everything is OK. They don't go to clubs, get tattoos, and hang out with a boyfriend. You lose you child for 5 minutes in a department store and you feel a crushing pain in your chest, you can't breath and you are in complete panic mode.

My wife would have gone balistic. "zanny the nanny" would have had heck to pay. My wife isn't a large woman but she can get really fiesty about her son. And he is 24 now and she still would try her best to end the life of someone who took him. When he was two, well I surely wouldn't have wanted to be the one who tried to take him. "Hell hath no fury like a mom whose child is messed with." My statement and you can quote me. :D

Her story sinketh. To High Heaven.

[Gatordog]

Maybe if G&C had let Casey suffer the consequences for her actions...

Well, you get my drift.

I get your drift. I thought the same exact thing, and it's sad to think how things could have been different by just once letting the Liar be responsible for her actions. :confused:

Gator

[Gatordog]

I have a hard time understanding how the skull (if that's what he saw), got back into the bag and was still there when he picked up the bag all those months later. And to be honest, if I had to wee wee, I would find someplace that wasn't infested with 6 1/2 foot rattlers. One look at the pic on my cellphone, and I'd keep going until I hit the Seven Eleven.

Well if you wanted to whiz in private, then you would have to find a wooded area and there are rattlers all over the place here. Along with Coral snakes, brown recluse spiders and scorpions. Do what you mother used to tell you to do, go before you leave the house! I think I'd prefer the woods to the 7-11.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Wow, the liar must have a darn good paying job. :eek: :D Oh goodness, I know an attorney couple and engineering couple that don't pay half that much for the babysitter.

She probably used Monopoloy Money! :D

Gator

[Gatordog]

I didn't have a viable excuse like allergy meds (good thing, as I was driving) but one day DD and I left for town. Keys, check. Cell phone, check. We're driving down the road and I ask DD to get my phone and make a call. All she could find was the tv remote!!!!:o

Yeah, I'm not alone. I'm in good company. I couldn't understand the channel wasn't changing. Good thing I didn't make a call to China while pressing the buttons. :o

Gator

[Gatordog]

I hear you Dan. I remember when my oldest was a baby there was ash trays in the pediatricians waiting room. :eek: I can sympathize with you, I smoked for 36 years. Hubby and I quit 2 years ago. He had his first heart attack at 34. Since then he has had several heart attacks, angioplasty 3 times, quad bypass, stints, pacemaker, and still has to pop a few nitros a week. And he can't walk very long with out giving out of breath and is a diabetic and has back trouble. No I am not trying to scare anybody. As you say, "I am going to die anyway, I might as well enjoy it." But,,, it is the quality of life maybe not the quantity. Most of my relatives, (not my dad, lung cancer) died peacefully in their sleep in their 90's, without pain. When I was young I worked as a ward clerk at a hospital. There was a man admitted with lung cancer. I heard his every scream with pain, and he had been given enough morphine to kill a horse. :( It is a horrible addiction, I know. You can say "I enjoy it." I enjoy chocolate cake, but would I enjoy 40 pieces of chocalate cake every day. :o jmo ps. one of my motivators was the cost. I am a tight wad. :)


Years ago, I worked with a lady who had a difficult life but made lemonade out of lemons. She was as funny as could be. She was diagnosed with bladder cancer. She was operated on and her doctor told her she had to stop smoking. Her reply: "But Doctor, that's not where I put my cigerette." God Bless her she was funny as hell. I hope she still is. :)

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Well if you wanted to whiz in private, then you would have to find a wooded area and there are rattlers all over the place here. Along with Coral snakes, brown recluse spiders and scorpions. Do what you mother used to tell you to do, go before you leave the house! I think I'd prefer the woods to the 7-11.

Gator

Personally, I wouldn't use either the snake pit or the Seven Eleven. (One of the reasons that those kegel exercises are so important.) And personally, I think it's just rude and nasssssty to trespass and urinate in public or on private property. Don't get me wrong, if I was a guy, I'd probably (at least once) stand out on my cantilevered deck and pee into the abyss.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, Cindy did not kill Caylee, but she didn't help. I am sure it did not occur to her that her daughter was capable of murder when she went to the ego wars with her.

Anyway denial is dangerous no matter where you find it. She didn't have the capacity to analyze Casey and see that she was not right in the head. Mothers are not psychiatrists. Mother's are the last to see the flaws in their children. They are not always a reflection of us. (Though it seems that way when they are successful.) ITA that Casey could have left her parents home and taken her daughter with her, raised her well and found a better way. Casey got her bread buttered well at the Anthony home and didn't need to work for it. That's a problem. That is debilitating her daughter.

I'll give anyone my guess that Casey herself will blame Cindy for Caylee's death on national TV. Yes and it will be irresponsible. Nothing new under the sun with those people.

Not sure what Cindy's (or George's or Lee's) role may have been in the coverup, but Cindy could very well be the motive in this crime. That puts her and her behavior right at the top of the list along with Casey's as a viable topic for discussion.

OT: Can't help but wonder if the delay in funeral services may be preventing the Anthonys from going through the natural process of grieving. Not sure if there actually is what most of us would consider a natural progression when it comes to the victims of murder, but I would think that Cindy especially would benefit from grief counseling. And maybe that would help her deal with her role as an important part of the legal proceedings.

[javahog]

No, Cindy did not kill Caylee, but she didn't help. I am sure it did not occur to her that her daughter was capable of murder when she went to the ego wars with her.

Anyway denial is dangerous no matter where you find it. She didn't have the capacity to analyze Casey and see that she was not right in the head. Mothers are not psychiatrists. Mother's are the last to see the flaws in their children. They are not always a reflection of us. (Though it seems that way when they are successful.) ITA that Casey could have left her parents home and taken her daughter with her, raised her well and found a better way. Casey got her bread buttered well at the Anthony home and didn't need to work for it. That's a problem. That is debilitating her daughter.

I'll give anyone my guess that Casey herself will blame Cindy for Caylee's death on national TV. Yes and it will be irresponsible. Nothing new under the sun with those people.

I didn't get a job and leave home until I was 25.

My body count? 0

[One2Snoop]

Conversation Between Anthony, Parents Released
Tape From Aug. 14 Jail Visit

POSTED: 9:39 am EST January 16, 2009
UPDATED: 10:01 am EST January 16, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A new jailhouse conversation was released on Thursday between Casey Anthony and her parents.

* Casey: Good morning.
* George: Good morning, beautiful. I love you.
* Casey: Hi. I love you, too.

The Aug. 14 jailhouse visit between Anthony and her parents, George and Cindy Anthony, goes quickly from a pleasant exchange to tension once the subject of Caylee Anthony is raised.

* Cindy: We need to have something to go on.
* Casey: Mom, I don't have anything. I'm sorry. I've been here a month. I've been here a month today. Do you understand how I feel? I mean do you really understand how I feel in this? I'm completely, completely out of the loop with everything.

Casey Anthony said she needs to get out to be able to help.

* Casey: There is nothing more that I can say or do until I'm home, and even then, I don't know what I can do from that point, but I can at least do something other than sit on my butt all day and read or look up stuff for my case because that has to be my focus right now. That has to be my focus because it's the only thing I can focus on.

Cindy Anthony then asked a more pointed question.

* Cindy: I was in Lake County two days ago.
* Casey: OK.
* Cindy: Is there anything there?
* Casey: Mom. Geez! I'm sorry. I love you guys. I miss you.
* Cindy: Alright sweetheart. Here's dad. Hold on.
* Casey: No. I'm going to hang up, and just walk away right now because ...

* Cindy: Please don't.
* Casey: I'm frustrated. I'm angry, and I don't want to be angry. This is the first time I've truly been angry this entire time, but I'm so beyond frustrated with all of this. I can't even swallow right now. It hurts.
* Cindy: Just understand we're all going in so many directions. We just want to go in the right one.
* Casey: W ell, I can't point you in that direction when I'm literally at a standstill.

At one point in the conversation, Casey Anthony did express a desire to have Caylee back.

The conversation came on the very same week that meter reader Roy Kronk reported three times his suspicions about a bag along Suburban Drive near the Anthony home to law enforcement.

The suspicions were wrote off as trash only. Kronk discovered Caylee's remains four months later.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18494885/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Personally, I wouldn't use either the snake pit or the Seven Eleven. (One of the reasons that those kegel exercises are so important.) And personally, I think it's just rude and nasssssty to trespass and urinate in public or on private property. Don't get me wrong, if I was a guy, I'd probably (at least once) stand out on my cantilevered deck and pee into the abyss.

Hey, everything has its benefits. I heard years ago on a gardening show on public TV that human urine would kill off red fire ants. If that's what it takes to kill those buggers, then have at it.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I love the very beginning of the recently released vido when the Liar asks her father, "why is she crying already?". It just shows that she has no feelings or compassion at all. She cannot comprehend having sorrow because a grandchild is missing for two months and a daugher is in jail. Unbelievable... How the parents can ignore this inhumane behavior is astonishing. How they can still think she was a great mother who would never harm her child is bizarre. I only pray that the last thing little Caylee saw was not that evil, angry face on that horrible creature that we all saw on the tape.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Meter reader receives $5,000 reward in Casey Anthony case

Amy L. Edwards and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
January 16, 2009


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Meter reader receives $5,000 reward in Casey Anthony case

Amy L. Edwards and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
January 16, 2009

The Orange County meter reader who found Caylee Marie Anthony's remains has received a $5,000 reward from a local lawyer.

Roy Kronk accepted a check from Mark NeJame, who formerly represented Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.

NeJame said he received $5,000 for his involvement in the case, and he felt it was right to give the money to Kronk.

"He had done something good. It was only appropriate to do something good back," NeJame said Thursday.

Kronk's attorney released a statement confirming the reward: "Roy is very thankful that Mark NeJame has recognized his singular efforts in finding Caylee and hopes that this sends a message to others that kindness does exist for people who do the right thing in life."

Sheriff's investigators recovered the toddler's bones last month after Kronk reported finding a skull in woods along Suburban Drive, a quarter-mile from the grandparents' home. He called several times in August to report seeing something suspicious in the woods, but deputies at the time found nothing.

In other developments Thursday:

*County officials released a jailhouse video of the Anthonys speaking with Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, who is charged with killing the toddler. During the Aug. 14 visit, a month after her arrest in July, Casey Anthony tells her parents she is "an emotional wreck."

In the video, which shows the family members talking to each other by phone, Casey Anthony describes herself as frustrated and angry. She complains about not being in control or knowing what's going on.

"My entire life has been taken from me," she said. :rolleyes:

Anthony told her mother she wants help from detectives but that the investigators need to help her, too.

"I'll try to help them in whatever way that I can, but if they come in here attacking me, they're not getting [anything]. I'm sorry," she said. "I need to be looked at as a victim . . . I'm just as much of a victim as the rest of you. And it hasn't been portrayed that way."

*Also, the Orange County Sheriff's Office reported that one patrol deputy who allegedly did not properly follow up one of Kronk's tips in August has been temporarily reassigned.

Deputy Richard Cain, 40, will work in the supply division, where employees inventory and sort supplies, until the Sheriff's Office's internal investigation is completed.

Cain has been criticized for how he handled Kronk's tip on Aug. 13. In an interview this week on ABC's Good Morning America, Kronk said the deputy who responded poked around with a metal stick, "swept his head back and forth and said, 'I don't see anything,' and pretty much, that was it."

Kronk didn't name the deputy. But a sheriff's official said Cain was the only deputy to respond in August when Kronk was at the site. As part of the reassignment, Cain must turn in his sworn credentials and agency-issued equipment, including badges, gun, patrol car and radio. Cain is not allowed to represent himself as an Orange County deputy in any way, including for off-duty work.

The Sheriff's Office did not say when its internal investigation will be completed.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey1609jan16,0,1967378.story

[One2Snoop]

OMG! :eek: can we say drama queen? Someone needs to take Casey out to the barn and beat the crap out of her :flamemad:


"My entire life has been taken from me," she said. :rolleyes:

Anthony told her mother she wants help from detectives but that the investigators need to help her, too.

"I'll try to help them in whatever way that I can, but if they come in here attacking me, they're not getting [anything]. I'm sorry," she said. "I need to be looked at as a victim . . . I'm just as much of a victim as the rest of you. And it hasn't been portrayed that way."

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey, everything has its benefits. I heard years ago on a gardening show on public TV that human urine would kill off red fire ants. If that's what it takes to kill those buggers, then have at it.

Gator

Well, unfortunately I'm not a guy, so that's out. Fire ants are a serious business, wonder why they don't use urine or some manufactured facsimile to kill them before they do billion$ in damages?

Kronk's story about peeing in the wild which has now evolved into a cadaver rescue mission is sounding more and more like BS all the time anyway. Besides wishing that he had never opened his big mouth about the whole thing and possibly giving the defense ammo, it's just ooky that he's so glib about trespisssing. :hat:

[Gatordog]

See my new Avatar picture? That's my Mac. I found him three years ago. I did track down his owner and they told me to keep him if I wanted him, they had given him away twice already and has run away each time. I believe he was sent to me. As smart as Gator is, and he is a genius dog. Mac is dumb as a doornail but lovable as can be. He is an Affenpincher. They are supposed to be about seven pounds. He is 26 and about the size of a Schnauzer. I believe that is why his original owners disposed of him - he did not fit the breed standard and is difficult to train. I have his papers and everything. Funny, the mixed breed is a genius and the pure bred, is well, not a genius. Mac eats rocks, okay, nuf said. I called him Mac n Cheese, Mac a Doodle, Macaroni, and Macademia nut. Think I like food?

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

OMG! :eek: can we say drama queen? Someone needs to take Casey out to the barn and beat the crap out of her :flamemad:

Attention Seeking Wh0re. And now for some unfathomable reason, she has G&C's support.

Can anyone with a better memory than me (who doesn't?) pinpoint exactly when that happened? Sometime between the time that G&C talked to LE, and when they started backpedaling about the smell of death?

[deputydi]

No, Cindy did not kill Caylee, but she didn't help. I am sure it did not occur to her that her daughter was capable of murder when she went to the ego wars with her.

Anyway denial is dangerous no matter where you find it. She didn't have the capacity to analyze Casey and see that she was not right in the head. Mothers are not psychiatrists. Mother's are the last to see the flaws in their children. They are not always a reflection of us. (Though it seems that way when they are successful.) ITA that Casey could have left her parents home and taken her daughter with her, raised her well and found a better way. Casey got her bread buttered well at the Anthony home and didn't need to work for it. That's a problem. That is debilitating her daughter.

I'll give anyone my guess that Casey herself will blame Cindy for Caylee's death on national TV. Yes and it will be irresponsible. Nothing new under the sun with those people.
I don't think anything annoys me more than hearing people blaming the parents for every bad or illegal thing their offspring does. SOMETIMES the blame is justified -- but not ALWAYS. We didn't live in that house and you guys are assuming that Cindy closed her ears and her mind to Casey's lies and the stealing. Maybe she did but maybe she recognized a problem and tried to get help. We don't know. How on earth is that a sign that Casey will one day murder her little daughter? If Casey had a history of torturing animals, I would certainly agree this is a sign of a very dangerous person but the fact that Cindy may have been too permissive or Casey got her money the "easy" way doesn't mean that anyone could have had an inkling she would one day murder her own child.

You want to fault Cindy for not doing more about the lying and stealing -- fine. There is a definite connection there that even I can see. Trying to connect that to the murder just makes no sense. There is no connection. Whatever Cindy did or didn't do as a parent cannot be blamed for Caylee's murder -- only Casey gets the blame for that.

So Cindy encouraged her daughter to keep the baby. So what? Did she know that in doing so, she was doing something that would someday result in the death of her granddaughter? Of course not. Did she know that she was encouraging an action that they would all live to regret? Of course not. Did she believe that this child would force Casey to accept some responsibilitiy? Probably. Did she believe (as she wrote on MySpace) that there is nothing more powerful and unconditional as a mother's love? Did she expect her daughter to experience that unconditional love once Caylee was born? I'll bet my last dime she did. Yes, it backfired. Did she have any reason to believe it would?

I think my rant is over now and I hope I haven't offended anyone. I recognize everyone's right to an opinion -- please allow me mine.

[javahog]

TWENTY FIVE???? You would have been thought of as a spinster in my day Jav! LOL!!!

I was 17 years old and I found a way to take care of my baby. I worked nights in a diner and my young teen husband drove a milk truck. We paid rent, bought food and even had a little junk car. Our rent was 95 dollars a month in 1968 and no one babysat for my baby. My father told me to sleep in the bed I made and I did. He wasn't giving me a free ticket. I was a child! I thank him for that every day. I work hard all of my life. I raised 4 great kids and I wish he was here now to see that I am loved, happy and successful and from where he is I suppose he knows that. His mantra: NO FREE LUNCH. Go TO WORK! That was his greatest gift to me. He could have written "Rich Dad Poor Dad." Great book for young parents.

Mine is weird: as soon as I got out, my mom turned into Casey Anthony
9lazy, not homicidal) and kept asking me for money. And my grandma was on fixed income. So I ended up supporting myself, my mom and my grandma, yet could not claim them on taxes. So I was working my way through grad school 7 days a week, 3 jobs, to fund them and me. Talk about going from 0-60 in 2.3 seconds! But my dad, unlike my mom, had a great work ethic (died when I was 12), it rubbed off, so once I was out, workaholic, thank goodness, or I would have had a crapper of a life.

And my hubby just read Rich Dad, Poor Dad! Great book! he gave it to his 2 20-something brothers for Christmas. I second the recommendation!

[javahog]

See my new Avatar picture? That's my Mac. I found him three years ago. I did track down his owner and they told me to keep him if I wanted him, they had given him away twice already and has run away each time. I believe he was sent to me. As smart as Gator is, and he is a genius dog. Mac is dumb as a doornail but lovable as can be. He is an Affenpincher. They are supposed to be about seven pounds. He is 26 and about the size of a Schnauzer. I believe that is why his original owners disposed of him - he did not fit the breed standard and is difficult to train. I have his papers and everything. Funny, the mixed breed is a genius and the pure bred, is well, not a genius. Mac eats rocks, okay, nuf said. I called him Mac n Cheese, Mac a Doodle, Macaroni, and Macademia nut. Think I like food?

Gator

awww! I know how lovable the dumb ones are...my erstwhile Brandy once walked into a glass door, stepped back, and did it again 3 more times. chased rocks, couldn't figure out why they did not run, etc. but so sweet! he was a pure golden retriever. i guess inbreeding or something...

[javahog]

WOW, Caseys bullet hit a whole slue of people huh? She's a great aim! Another one bits the dust. Who the heck is she, Liberty Valance?

The only person I've heard her speak well of is the nanny.

[deputydi]

You're right mu, and unfortunately, Cindy does play a big part in all this. I am even going to forget for a moment that she brought Casey up, because as I've said, some people are born bad, and Casey is one of them. I know a few other mothers who are good people, who didn't EVER deserve what their children did to them. So, right now I won't even go there, because I was not privy to the Anthony's or their life. What many of us find so unforgivable is the actions and flip flopping since Caylee disappeared. Why not use your actions instead of your mouth to find Caylee? Why attack good people who gave their precious time and money to search for her, dead or alive? No appreciation has ever been shown to those who did not judge them, and just GAVE for Caylee.

Cindy hampered the investigation. One of the most recent, and very important fact is regarding D. Casey, which we haven't discussed much ~ how The Anthony family knew he was going to THAT spot, and the abandoned Gonzalez house and didn't say a word to LE about this 'tip'. But they made damn sure everyone knew about the little girl on the cell phone pic in that mall. She laughed at LE behind their backs, and NEVER addressed the lies, oh so many lies, her daughter told to the very same people who were trying to find her beloved grandaughter.

Cindy should be embarrassed. They should take out a full page ad and thank the wonderful people who worked to find Caylee. Yes, even Roy Kronk.


No, we don't have to accept it, mu, and certainly not agree with it.
You are absolutely right. Criticize the Anthonys for their actions or lack thereof during the search. Criticize them for ignoring the signs that Casey had no job, was stealing from just about everyone, was a habitual liar. All these are valid criticisms but don't tell me Cindy was responsible or should somehow should have known Caylee would end up dead at the hands of her mother.

Cindy should have gotten on her knees and thanked all the volunteers who spent countless hours doing what she should have been out there doing. She is a classless, ungreatful wench for whom I have no respect. That doesn't mean, however, that I can have no empathy for C & Gs plight.

[javahog]

OMG! :eek: can we say drama queen? Someone needs to take Casey out to the barn and beat the crap out of her :flamemad:

If George had taken her out to the woodshed on the first lie, none of us would be here now, imo. Too bad that time has long passed...

[Justice Denied?]

Bless you for adopting Kali-luv the name.:rose:

Its a long story. I was going t adopt either a black & white or calico kitten. This mother cat got run over. The couple that had the kittens got the other 3 to eat kitten chow, but Kali wouldn't and was going to die. So my grandaughter said I didn't work and could care for her. Hence, my Kali - co cat. I kept sticking her nose in a lid full of kitty formula til she got the idea to lick. She was about 4 inches long. 4 years later she is big, fat and glossy.
She will not lay in you lap but wants her head under your chin like when she was little. She hates kids and wants just me and her here.

[javahog]

Soooo...think there will be funeral/memorial plans announced today?


If not, I'll lay odds Gorgeous is holding onto the remains to get something from somebody. Its the only way she can stay "boss". She has nothing else left...

[Justice Denied?]

How do you feel about naughty dogs? I don't know why but my dog keeps dragging coffee grounds out of my trash can. I know he does not like to eat them. I keep telling him he is too old to get into this kind of trouble. Maybe that is the point, he is trying to prove there is some still some mischief in the old boy.!!

Spill a few drops of Pine-Sol on those coffee grounds. He'll quit.

[javahog]

Excellent posts. I did feel sorry for Cindy on the video parts i saw-she looked a mess and when she broke down and the Liar questions why she is crying-It makes me have such evil thoughts if i had 10 min. alone with the Liar. Not that Cindy hasn't made me crazy with her own actions and statements. I guess we should pity her rather than feel contempt-we are human.

why is she crying already, dad? after all, i'm what matters and i haven't said anything...yet.

Yeah, what does your mother have to cry about? what a....

[Justice Denied?]

16 years or so ago, I was paying a lady to come in to watch my kiddlies for 6 hours, @ $2 an hour FOR EACH (16 years ago, that was MUCH higher than the going rate, I might add.) I figure that as $72/week, or $288 a month for TWO--I can't imagine that, even w/the cost of inflation, it would be $400/month for ONE!!!!

My granddaughter lives near Ft. Worth. She pays $110 a wk for one. A day caree with a little better program charges $150.

I still think that was 400 skittles a week, not dollars. This is CaseyWorld, after all, where you pay a pretend nanny for watching your child while you go to a pretend job.

[One2Snoop]

Thursday, January 15, 2009
Who Is Jose Baez Besides Being Casey Anthony's Attorney?

After reading today at Examiner.Com that Jose Baez's past experience involves winning 32 out of 34 trials while working as an intern at a Public Defender's Office as well as doing internet training at Lexis-Nexis, I was shocked.

How did this guy get to be the lead counsel on the biggest case of the year? And however snooty this may sound, Casey Anthony BETTER have a dream team if this is the type of experience we're talking about here.

Most defense attorneys work years before they take on felony cases of this magnitude, where the death penalty is involved. And that's before you add in all the media hoopla. What gives?

Here's what I found out about Jose Baez.

1. First of all, his website doesn't allow you to read his bio page - it just clicks back to the home page when you attempt to go there. Nice, expensive website.

2. WESH-TV in Orlando reports that it has checked out his recent past experience in their records; however when you compare this to the Baez site with its four "success stories," it's duplicative.

Plus, there's only FOUR and they are the kind of wins you'd expect an aggressive, Young-Turk type of defense attorney to have on his site at this point. NOTHING near to the complexity of the Anthony matter.

3. You can't pull up his information at Martindale, when is a site owned by Lexis - purportedly, his former employer. He's not in Martindale???? What??????

4. The Florida Bar Association shows Jose Angel Baez to be in good standing with them, with offices in Kissamee, Florida. He was admitted to practice in September 2005.

5. I found a site, avvo.com, that reports Jose Baez got his law degree from St. Thomas School of Law - while Investigation Discovery quotes Baez's web site as Baez having a Bachelor's of Science Degree in Criminology from Florida State University. Same source also quotes the Baez site as Baez working for the Public Defender's Office since 1995.

Okay.

We know that he's been licensed to practice for around 3 years when he takes the Casey Anthony case.

We know that he's got an office in Kissamee, and he's paid for a very nice website.

We know he's not listed in Martindale (a real red flag to lawyers out there).

Today, I can't get anything off the website. However, it appears that those seeking information about Baez have had access to it, and it's been from his own website that they've reported his "success stories" as well as his background and experience.

Personally, I'll give Jose Baez this: as a trial lawyer, you go into a courtroom and take responsibility for another human being.

It takes a whole lot of chutzpah to do that job. Courage, huevos, whatever you want to call it.

And it's clear that Jose Baez has that in spades.

What's not clear is what the heck Jose Baez thinks he's doing, representing Casey Anthony. Her defense is something that even the most seasoned of advocates would find challenging.

He's gone out and got himself some co-counsel. Good. Great.

Because there's a thing called "ineffective assistance of counsel" that every jailhouse lawyer can chant like a mantra upon appeal and if my search of the web is all we've got to put in an appellate brief here, well - Katie Bar the Door.

Point of Error comin'.

Unless, of course, on the first day of trial we get a Surprise Change in Lead Counsel -- a Mystery Lawyer who reveals himself or herself as things tee up (wouldn't that make a great Nancy Grace Bombshell?)....

http://backseatlawyer.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-is-jose-baez-besides-being-casey.html

[javahog]

Its really interesting reading your discussion about parental culpability and its relation to nature versus nurture. I suspect that the solution is in the middle. Some people are born with a predisposition to sociopathy, and it is triggered by being raised a Golden Child who never gets consequences. Scott Peterson comes to mind right away. But I do not think that makes the parents responsible for their children's crimes in any way...

Just out of curiosity, for those who think sociopaths are born, not raised, do you think a born sociopath can be raised to at least act normal? That if consequences and strictness are applied, they can have the semblance of a normal life? I just wonder if some people I've met who have no true empathy for others are actually sociopaths who were trained to function properly, they have a "normal" life, although there might be something wrong upstairs...

[crimelibrarian]

Thursday, January 15, 2009
Who Is Jose Baez Besides Being Casey Anthony's Attorney?

After reading today at Examiner.Com that Jose Baez's past experience involves winning 32 out of 34 trials while working as an intern at a Public Defender's Office as well as doing internet training at Lexis-Nexis, I was shocked.

How did this guy get to be the lead counsel on the biggest case of the year? And however snooty this may sound, Casey Anthony BETTER have a dream team if this is the type of experience we're talking about here.

Most defense attorneys work years before they take on felony cases of this magnitude, where the death penalty is involved. And that's before you add in all the media hoopla. What gives?

Here's what I found out about Jose Baez.

1. First of all, his website doesn't allow you to read his bio page - it just clicks back to the home page when you attempt to go there. Nice, expensive website.

2. WESH-TV in Orlando reports that it has checked out his recent past experience in their records; however when you compare this to the Baez site with its four "success stories," it's duplicative.

Plus, there's only FOUR and they are the kind of wins you'd expect an aggressive, Young-Turk type of defense attorney to have on his site at this point. NOTHING near to the complexity of the Anthony matter.

3. You can't pull up his information at Martindale, when is a site owned by Lexis - purportedly, his former employer. He's not in Martindale???? What??????

4. The Florida Bar Association shows Jose Angel Baez to be in good standing with them, with offices in Kissamee, Florida. He was admitted to practice in September 2005.

5. I found a site, avvo.com, that reports Jose Baez got his law degree from St. Thomas School of Law - while Investigation Discovery quotes Baez's web site as Baez having a Bachelor's of Science Degree in Criminology from Florida State University. Same source also quotes the Baez site as Baez working for the Public Defender's Office since 1995.

Okay.

We know that he's been licensed to practice for around 3 years when he takes the Casey Anthony case.

We know that he's got an office in Kissamee, and he's paid for a very nice website.

We know he's not listed in Martindale (a real red flag to lawyers out there).

Today, I can't get anything off the website. However, it appears that those seeking information about Baez have had access to it, and it's been from his own website that they've reported his "success stories" as well as his background and experience.

Personally, I'll give Jose Baez this: as a trial lawyer, you go into a courtroom and take responsibility for another human being.

It takes a whole lot of chutzpah to do that job. Courage, huevos, whatever you want to call it.

And it's clear that Jose Baez has that in spades.

What's not clear is what the heck Jose Baez thinks he's doing, representing Casey Anthony. Her defense is something that even the most seasoned of advocates would find challenging.

He's gone out and got himself some co-counsel. Good. Great.

Because there's a thing called "ineffective assistance of counsel" that every jailhouse lawyer can chant like a mantra upon appeal and if my search of the web is all we've got to put in an appellate brief here, well - Katie Bar the Door.

Point of Error comin'.

Unless, of course, on the first day of trial we get a Surprise Change in Lead Counsel -- a Mystery Lawyer who reveals himself or herself as things tee up (wouldn't that make a great Nancy Grace Bombshell?)....

http://backseatlawyer.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-is-jose-baez-besides-being-casey.html


It is my understanding that Martindale is pretty pricey - it is like advertising in the yellowpages but just for attorneys and people who provide attorney services - attorneys are rated in Martindale if they choose - maybe he just can't afford it, since he is doing this pro bono and obviously devoting all his time to it - just wait until he publishes his book - then he will have the bucks to advertise in Martindale

However to say it is a "red flag" not to be listed in Martindale is nonsense - there are thousands of attorneys in many states who choose not to spend their money to be listed in Martindale -

[Gatordog]

Attention Seeking Wh0re. And now for some unfathomable reason, she has G&C's support.

Can anyone with a better memory than me (who doesn't?) pinpoint exactly when that happened? Sometime between the time that G&C talked to LE, and when they started backpedaling about the smell of death?

The very first time I heard that absurd story was when Cindy and George were walking out of the bail hearing. Probably a week or so after the first arrest on June 16th. The detectives took the stand and they talked about the smell for the first time and the cadaver dogs. When G&C left the court house, Cindy said it was rotten pizza and George didn't say a doggone word.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I don't think anything annoys me more than hearing people blaming the parents for every bad or illegal thing their offspring does. SOMETIMES the blame is justified -- but not ALWAYS. We didn't live in that house and you guys are assuming that Cindy closed her ears and her mind to Casey's lies and the stealing. Maybe she did but maybe she recognized a problem and tried to get help. We don't know. How on earth is that a sign that Casey will one day murder her little daughter? If Casey had a history of torturing animals, I would certainly agree this is a sign of a very dangerous person but the fact that Cindy may have been too permissive or Casey got her money the "easy" way doesn't mean that anyone could have had an inkling she would one day murder her own child.

You want to fault Cindy for not doing more about the lying and stealing -- fine. There is a definite connection there that even I can see. Trying to connect that to the murder just makes no sense. There is no connection. Whatever Cindy did or didn't do as a parent cannot be blamed for Caylee's murder -- only Casey gets the blame for that.

So Cindy encouraged her daughter to keep the baby. So what? Did she know that in doing so, she was doing something that would someday result in the death of her granddaughter? Of course not. Did she know that she was encouraging an action that they would all live to regret? Of course not. Did she believe that this child would force Casey to accept some responsibilitiy? Probably. Did she believe (as she wrote on MySpace) that there is nothing more powerful and unconditional as a mother's love? Did she expect her daughter to experience that unconditional love once Caylee was born? I'll bet my last dime she did. Yes, it backfired. Did she have any reason to believe it would?

I think my rant is over now and I hope I haven't offended anyone. I recognize everyone's right to an opinion -- please allow me mine.

DD, all I can say is listen to the way the Liar spoke to her mother on the phone while in jail and on the video. Listen to the excuses Cindy makes for the lies and stealing. Cindy said $300 isn't so much to steal. Cindy didn't make the Liar kill her daughter but Cindy didn't do anything to correct bad behavior either. I feel sorry as anything about their loss and the misery they are in about Caylee's death but the Liar's behavior was escalating and instead of being stern with her, they made excuses.

One boyfriend's statements to police said that Casey would sleep over his house in his bed and have Caylee in the bed with them. That is disgusting. Where were G&C when Caylee wasn't coming home at night?

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]

Very important post here Loretta. IMO Cindy can't endure grief counseling right now. It would mean this whole nightmare is real. She's not into "REAL"

The postponement of the wake services is a true statement that it never happened. This process of grief cannot begin until they put closure on her life. Even at that point, there will be a storm of grief that will catapult them into the five stages ; ever changing and returning to haunt the reality of it. There will be extreme levels of grief and until they integrate it into who they are and accept it, walk with it, and incorporate it into their own psych, life will never be the same. Acceptance is the last stage no matter how the loved one died. But, this particular case has arms and legs that the average people in grief do not have to deal with, so I venture to say that this funeral is being held up so they can get mentally ready for the closure that may never come. The only chance they have is to let it take place and wake up with those who have lost everything and begin to build again. Only a strong support group can aid them now. I hope they have one.

Suicide survivors go through much the same because the loss didn't happen from illness, old age, or the usual ways. It's normal to fight with grief like Rocky Balboa in some foreign space in life punching and kicking until it gets you on the floor and steps on you, letting you know for whom that bell tolled and there is nothing you can do to change it. No one was born with grieving skills. You must learn them as you go along. It's baptism by fire. I don't blame them for procrastinating. If they had no service, she didn't die. They can't exhale just yet.

All the more reason for G&C, especially Cindy to receive grief counseling! They have no capacity for preparing themselves mentally. Not sure where George's head is at, but I swear, I would have her committed. & At the risk of going off on a jag, I really think that part of the reason for the funeral/memorial to be on hold is to delay the inevitable; interviews with LE, and the issue of immunity.

[mu8shark]

OMG! :eek: can we say drama queen? Someone needs to take Casey out to the barn and beat the crap out of her :flamemad: This is just so vile that she says she wants to be thought of as a victim and she wants the police to be nice to her. I don't even know what to say. She is just beyond selfish!http://i43.tinypic.com/2gtbwoh.gif She makes me want to puke.

[crimelibrarian]

This is just so vile that she says she wants to be thought of as a victim and she wants the police to be nice to her. I don't even know what to say. She is just beyond selfish!http://i43.tinypic.com/2gtbwoh.gif She makes me want to puke.

I agree! But I do wonder - has she always been this selfish - or only since she had a child and did not like it that this child was getting more attention than she was - Jesse Grund says that this is not the Casey he knew, that the Casey he knew could never have done this - it appears to me she has been a spoiled brat all her life; I just don't see someone changing so drastically in such a short period of time

[Gatordog]

Spill a few drops of Pine-Sol on those coffee grounds. He'll quit.

Pine-sol can be toxic - you don't want to spend $1K at the vet to have his kidneys flushed.

Try tabasco sauce or put the grinds in a sealed baggie before you throw them away. You can even rub a drop or two of tabasco on the bag until he decides not to go after the grinds any longer.

Gator

[mu8shark]

Its really interesting reading your discussion about parental culpability and its relation to nature versus nurture. I suspect that the solution is in the middle. Some people are born with a predisposition to sociopathy, and it is triggered by being raised a Golden Child who never gets consequences. Scott Peterson comes to mind right away. But I do not think that makes the parents responsible for their children's crimes in any way...

Just out of curiosity, for those who think sociopaths are born, not raised, do you think a born sociopath can be raised to at least act normal? That if consequences and strictness are applied, they can have the semblance of a normal life? I just wonder if some people I've met who have no true empathy for others are actually sociopaths who were trained to function properly, they have a "normal" life, although there might be something wrong upstairs... I could not agree more with the highlighted area.. I think when we grow up to some extent our parents help us deal with our consciences. If we are never ever held accountable I think it does drive us toward sociopathy and in this home you can see that Cindy seems to think when it comes to lying, the end justifies the means. Having said that I don't fault her for the murder. She could not possibly know Casey would do that. But her behavior afterward and this continuing pattern of 'Excuse the precious princess' even for murder and stealing is something I do blame Cindy for.

[Gatordog]

I agree! But I do wonder - has she always been this selfish - or only since she had a child and did not like it that this child was getting more attention than she was - Jesse Grund says that this is not the Casey he knew, that the Casey he knew could never have done this - it appears to me she has been a spoiled brat all her life; I just don't see someone changing so drastically in such a short period of time

She is whatever you want her to be - until she gets tired of you. Then she becomes herself which is just a hateful person.

[mu8shark]

I agree! But I do wonder - has she always been this selfish - or only since she had a child and did not like it that this child was getting more attention than she was - Jesse Grund says that this is not the Casey he knew, that the Casey he knew could never have done this - it appears to me she has been a spoiled brat all her life; I just don't see someone changing so drastically in such a short period of time No I don't either. And she was probably able to fool young Jesse and many others. Sociopaths are hard to spot because they are able to act normal and parrot acceptable behavior. He just did not see beyond the act.

[mu8shark]

why is she crying already, dad? after all, i'm what matters and i haven't said anything...yet.

Yeah, what does your mother have to cry about? what a....Yeah what is the big deal right?Just a mssing three year old that she loves dearly. No biggie. After all Casey said she had not been crying all that much in jail, putting her mind on other stuff. What a b-t-h! No empathy for anybody!

[lorettalockhorn]

The very first time I heard that absurd story was when Cindy and George were walking out of the bail hearing. Probably a week or so after the first arrest on June 16th. The detectives took the stand and they talked about the smell for the first time and the cadaver dogs. When G&C left the court house, Cindy said it was rotten pizza and George didn't say a doggone word.

Gator

Okay, Casey's first arrest was July 16th, but the long interviews with LE weren't until the 30th and 31st. From what I remember, George was very honest, to the point that the recollection of the smell of the car was visceral. Cindy strikes me as honestly grief stricken in the new( 8/14) video and very dubious about Casey's whole schtick. But two weeks earlier when she talked to LE she was defensive about Casey and her parenting skills, etc.

So before this whole tragedy went down, Cindy considered Casey to be sociopathic, sought counseling, and may have considered custody. It would seem by her myspace post that she knew something was terribly wrong, and when the car was found 7/15 she had to have had a clue that Caylee was dead, but by the time they come out of the bail hearing, she is on the defensive for Casey.

[mu8shark]

She is whatever you want her to be - until she gets tired of you. Then she becomes herself which is just a hateful person.Gator what an excellent post. ! That, in short is one of the best, briefest, clearest descriptions of a sociopath I have ever seen.!

[mu8shark]

Pine-sol can be toxic - you don't want to spend $1K at the vet to have his kidneys flushed.

Try tabasco sauce or put the grinds in a sealed baggie before you throw them away. You can even rub a drop or two of tabasco on the bag until he decides not to go after the grinds any longer.

GatorI think I will try the hot sauce. The little devil is snoozing now and would be so delighted to the topic of conversation! LOL. The baggie is also an excellent idea

[mu8shark]

I was looking back over some posts of CIndys brother, Rick and he said in a post that when he talked to her and tried to talk sense into her she told him that the cadaver dogs were wrong and the phone company was lying to the police about the July 15 call from little Caylee that Casey said she got. She told him and I recall she told the media in an interview that she had the bills to prove that Casey did get that call. She was going to turn it into LE and apparently never did. As we know there was no call.Caylee was sadly dead. I wonder if this was just another outright lie on her part because let's face it the phone company has no motive to lie, They have no dog in the hunt. But anyways apparently she is a cadaver dog expert as well. LOL.

[mu8shark]

I don't think it is the story that will get her in the end but how long it took her to tell it. 30 days? My mother would have been screaming to LE in two minutes. No matter which "story" she told you look at. And there is more than one. (need to stick to the same lie.) Timing is everything when you try to decieve. Specially the police. There was just too much time between the supposed act and the report. The "I was investigating myself" bull stuff is just not going to fly with a jury.Amen to that, with all the forensics battles coming it will probably be something that simple and that human, the jury could not get by the 30 day wait to call police. It's ridiculous. And if her mother had not intervened it probably would have gone on another month. She had no intention of reporting this.

[mu8shark]

The only person I've heard her speak well of is the nanny. And therein lies the rub. She has nothing but good things to say about good old, reliable, generous, Zanny but yet she immediately suspects her of kidnapping instead of any other logical reason she and Caylee are not there . She does not worry about a car wreck, that the nanny is sick or hurt or hospitalized , just decides that after two years of devoted service Zanny kidnapped her. And Casey's solution, she will look for them herself. !

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, Casey's first arrest was July 16th, but the long interviews with LE weren't until the 30th and 31st. From what I remember, George was very honest, to the point that the recollection of the smell of the car was visceral. Cindy strikes me as honestly grief stricken in the new( 8/14) video and very dubious about Casey's whole schtick. But two weeks earlier when she talked to LE she was defensive about Casey and her parenting skills, etc.

So before this whole tragedy went down, Cindy considered Casey to be sociopathic, sought counseling, and may have considered custody. It would seem by her myspace post that she knew something was terribly wrong, and when the car was found 7/15 she had to have had a clue that Caylee was dead, but by the time they come out of the bail hearing, she is on the defensive for Casey.

Just realized that Lee's visit with Casey was at 9am the same day (7/25) as G&C's 2pm visit. I really think it's possible that Lee talked to them before their visit and then they made a point of asking about Zanny's key to the house, but showed no reaction to finding out that she had one.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was looking back over some posts of CIndys brother, Rick and he said in a post that when he talked to her and tried to talk sense into her she told him that the cadaver dogs were wrong and the phone company was lying to the police about the July 15 call from little Caylee that Casey said she got. She told him and I recall she told the media in an interview that she had the bills to prove that Casey did get that call. She was going to turn it into LE and apparently never did. As we know there was no call.Caylee was sadly dead. I wonder if this was just another outright lie on her part because let's face it the phone company has no motive to lie, They have no dog in the hunt. But anyways apparently she is a cadaver dog expert as well. LOL.

Cindy seems to reject all scientific findings in favor of lies. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

Cindy seems to reject all scientific findings in favor of lies. :shrug: One of the most interesting dynamics in this whole thing is the way George changes out of Cindys view. I was looking back at the summary of George's interview with LE and he says to them he can't believe how Cindy is treating LE . And he says he tries to shut her up but it just makes her madder. At one point Detective Melich implores George to talk to her because she has been threatening LE that if they don't follow the leads she tells them to, she will make trouble for them. Can you imagine that??? It is mind boggling.. I think it probably telling of how things have gone throughout the years .I am guessing George never had any say so in much and could not influence either his daughter or Cindy. Remember when George was honest about his true thoughts about the smell, when Cindy is asked in an interview why he said that when it was supposedly a pizza she says he was under pressure and grief stricken, as if George did not know what he was saying. As far back as July , Cindy did her about face but by the August interviews she has really gone on a rampage against LE according to George's interviews and he brings up his frustration at this twice in the interview. !!Sigh I just go back and forth on George , maybe he should man up at times and other times I think he has done all he can.

[mu8shark]

Just realized that Lee's visit with Casey was at 9am the same day (7/25) as G&C's 2pm visit. I really think it's possible that Lee talked to them before their visit and then they made a point of asking about Zanny's key to the house, but showed no reaction to finding out that she had one. Wasn't Casey noncommital on that though saying Maybe Zanny had a key to the house. ? If I remember right she never said she did have one only maybe and she looked shocked Cindy would suggest that. Also did you say on a post a while back that if Cindy gave the defense the bedding that would be reciprocal discovery and LE was entitled to that? I find that really disturbing if she gave the defense the bedding in favor of LE. I think a case for obstruction could be made if there was a search warrant for that and it was removed.

[Lodi]

It's too late now but I think the Anthony family should have gone into seclusion from the media when Caylee was reported missing. Nothing they say or do can help the situation. Whether they stand up for Casey or stand against her, it's all bad.

[mu8shark]

It's too late now but I think the Anthony family should have gone into seclusion from the media when Caylee was reported missing. Nothing they say or do can help the situation. Whether they stand up for Casey or stand against her, it's all bad. Telling the truth would not be bad and it would be helpful. If they come off some of the lies that they have told the public would be more understanding.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wasn't Casey noncommital on that though saying Maybe Zanny had a key to the house. ? If I remember right she never said she did have one only maybe and she looked shocked Cindy would suggest that. Also did you say on a post a while back that if Cindy gave the defense the bedding that would be reciprocal discovery and LE was entitled to that? I find that really disturbing if she gave the defense the bedding in favor of LE. I think a case for obstruction could be made if there was a search warrant for that and it was removed.

Not sure who posted that Cindy had turned the bedding over to the defense, but I did comment that LE can either subpoena it, or if it is to be used by the defense, then the findings from it will be discoverable. (Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.) It was during the discussion of the time lags for the search warrants. Gee, we'd like to think that if the bedding was itemized on the warrant and Baez already had it, that he would have immediately turned it over.

[lorettalockhorn]

It's too late now but I think the Anthony family should have gone into seclusion from the media when Caylee was reported missing. Nothing they say or do can help the situation. Whether they stand up for Casey or stand against her, it's all bad.

The truth won't hurt the situation; it never does; although it might not help the individuals involved. I guess I can understand the Ants supporting Casey; if they love her, and if they believe that this was a mistake, and if they want her to be rehabilitated. BUT to deny truth and facts and to deny Caylee and her memory for the sake of what Casey has done is inscrutable.

[Lodi]

Telling the truth would not be bad and it would be helpful. If they come off some of the lies that they have told the public would be more understanding.

I wonder what the truth was in G&C's minds? How could they know the truth unless Casey told them? They were probably torn between what they feared and the chance they could be wrong.

[mu8shark]

I wonder what the truth was in G&C's minds? How could they know the truth unless Casey told them? They were probably torn between what they feared and the chance they could be wrong. No you are right in that they can't really tell Casey's truth at all and I feel like no way she confessed to them. But Cindy and George can stop the lies they have told which I have pretty detailed to death on here so I won't go back into that. Cindy's lies and behavior has been a great impediment to LE according to the interview they had with George .

[Lodi]

The truth won't hurt the situation; it never does; although it might not help the individuals involved. I guess I can understand the Ants supporting Casey; if they love her, and if they believe that this was a mistake, and if they want her to be rehabilitated. BUT to deny truth and facts and to deny Caylee and her memory for the sake of what Casey has done is inscrutable.

I agree. They should tell LE what they knew or thought they knew. But staying away from the media would have been a smart move since they actually don't know the answers to all that happened. I haven't suggested that they should be untruthful to anyone.

[mu8shark]

I agree. They should tell LE what they knew or thought they knew. But staying away from the media would have been a smart move since they actually don't know the answers to all that happened.
I agree a simple statement or a plea for Caylees safe return, which oddly never happened as in most cases would have been better. I agree that they should of laid low and not tried to put their own spin on the evidence or even in some cases perverted the evidence.

[javahog]

One of the most interesting dynamics in this whole thing is the way George changes out of Cindys view. I was looking back at the summary of George's interview with LE and he says to them he can't believe how Cindy is treating LE . And he says he tries to shut her up but it just makes her madder. At one point Detective Melich implores George to talk to her because she has been threatening LE that if they don't follow the leads she tells them to, she will make trouble for them. Can you imagine that??? It is mind boggling.. I think it probably telling of how things have gone throughout the years .I am guessing George never had any say so in much and could not influence either his daughter or Cindy. Remember when George was honest about his true thoughts about the smell, when Cindy is asked in an interview why he said that when it was supposedly a pizza she says he was under pressure and grief stricken, as if George did not know what he was saying. As far back as July , Cindy did her about face but by the August interviews she has really gone on a rampage against LE according to George's interviews and he brings up his frustration at this twice in the interview. !!Sigh I just go back and forth on George , maybe he should man up at times and other times I think he has done all he can.

I think George is standing by Cindy, not Casey. He knows how this will all turn out, and he's trying to hold onto his marriage.

[Lodi]

I agree a simple statement or a plea for Caylees safe return, which oddly never happened as in most cases would have been better. I agree that they should of laid low and not tried to put their own spin on the evidence or even in some cases perverted the evidence.

I totally agree.

[mu8shark]

I think George is standing by Cindy, not Casey. He knows how this will all turn out, and he's trying to hold onto his marriage.I think you are probably right on that. He kind of is stuck between a rock and a hard place. At least when he is alone with LE, he tries to come as clean as he can..

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree. They should tell LE what they knew or thought they knew. But staying away from the media would have been a smart move since they actually don't know the answers to all that happened. I haven't suggested that they should be untruthful to anyone.

Sorry, Lodi. Didn't mean to infer that you suggested such a thing. You're absolutely right here, and since they presumably didn't know what happened, it would have been better if they hadn't fabricated. I don't understand some of the attorneys in this case; they should have put the kibosh on any of these folks from screeching in public or speaking to the media. (I'm guessing that's why NeJame didn't stick with the Anthonys.)

Like mu says, the exception to that would have bee to address "the kidnappers" and beg for Caylee's safe return and/or search for her, which they never did (to the best of my recollection).

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Attention Seeking Wh0re. And now for some unfathomable reason, she has G&C's support.

Can anyone with a better memory than me (who doesn't?) pinpoint exactly when that happened? Sometime between the time that G&C talked to LE, and when they started backpedaling about the smell of death?

Is it possible that Casey has something on G & C that is really horrible and they don't want exposed and they are supporting her in hopes she won't tell? They definitely weren't at first.

[mu8shark]

Is it possible that Casey has something on G & C that is really horrible and they don't want exposed and they are supporting her in hopes she won't tell? They definitely weren't at first.
In my opinion only, no I don't think Casey has anything on them. I mean what could be as bad as murdering a two year old like she has. In the jailhouse tapes they may be trying to maneuver around her and coddle her for info but why they began to support her and lie for her I think has to do with Cindy trying to get her off. I still go back to what Cindy told the reporter "I don't want to lose another one."

[Lodi]

Sorry, Lodi. Didn't mean to infer that you suggested such a thing. You're absolutely right here, and since they presumably didn't know what happened, it would have been better if they hadn't fabricated. I don't understand some of the attorneys in this case; they should have put the kibosh on any of these folks from screeching in public or speaking to the media. (I'm guessing that's why NeJame didn't stick with the Anthonys.)

Like mu says, the exception to that would have bee to address "the kidnappers" and beg for Caylee's safe return and/or search for her, which they never did (to the best of my recollection).

After the early report that Caylee had been missing 31 days and Cindy's statement about the car smelling like a dead body, i've always felt that a plea for Caylee's safe return would have sounded kinda hollow.

I also couldn't see the Ants standing behind Casey and making a public statement such as "We love Casey and we hope she is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance but things are pointing in that direction"

[One2Snoop]

Dissecting the Caylee Anthony Case

What's the latest in the Caylee Anthony murder case? Greta is live in Orlando, Fla. tonight with a special in-depth look and interviews with key figures on tonight's 'On the Record' at 10 ET!

•January 16: A Closer Look at the Caylee Anthony Case: Casey's defense attorney sits down with Greta and so much more!

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.htmlFriday

[mu8shark]

Watching the discussion on Headline news about the case and this woman called in and said at first she thought Casey accidentally killed Caylee but her demeanor on these tapes convinces her otherwise , she thinks it was purposeful. There have been others on here who have changed their minds about the accident theory, which brings me to my point, If these jailhouse tapes come in and I have no reason to think they won't, these tapes will be very damaging to Casey. They really do show her lack of feeling for anyone! And juries do pay a lot of attention to demeanor. Also I can't see this girl changing her la, la, la , la attitude and grinning and smirking behind when she goes to court. And it will hurt her. Also, I can't believe Caseys claim that all her mail is positive. That sounds like BS.

[mu8shark]

After the early report that Caylee had been missing 31 days and Cindy's statement about the car smelling like a dead body, i've always felt that a plea for Caylee's safe return would have sounded kinda hollow.
I also couldn't see the Ants standing behind Casey and making a public statement such as "We love Casey and we hope she is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance but things are pointing in that direction" Well which makes me think that in their heart of hearts they knew that child was dead, not literally as in Casey told them but I think they knew way down deep inside and the more it became the more they wanted to cover for her.

[mu8shark]

Baez wanted this tape out because it showed police misconduct, what the hell? Where? Also it just shows you how out of touch Jose Bizarre is, this tape is nothing but damaging to this client. Why would he want that tape out there???

[Lodi]

Well which makes me think that in their heart of hearts they knew that child was dead, not literally as in Casey told them but I think they knew way down deep inside and the more it became the more they wanted to cover for her.

It's awful but probably true.

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Soooo...think there will be funeral/memorial plans announced today?


If not, I'll lay odds Gorgeous is holding onto the remains to get something from somebody. Its the only way she can stay "boss". She has nothing else left...

I think it may be possible that the Anthonys may be holding out until they are granted immunity. They may br afraid that once Caylee is laid to rest they may face Obstruction of Justice charges. JMO as always.

[javahog]

Baez wanted this tape out because it showed police misconduct, what the hell? Where? Also it just shows you how out of touch Jose Bizarre is, this tape is nothing but damaging to this client. Why would he want that tape out there???

All I can think of is the moment where Casey was calling out to a guard or whatever to turn up the volume on the visit.

I think George was using nicknames with her as a way to emotionally distance himself from her, btw, whether he realized he was doing it or not. "Casey" is his little girl. "Gorgeous" could be a waitress. He was objectifying, I do believe.

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One of the most interesting things if you can call it that is the way that Casey lies. She tells her lies like a child. Surely she must know that her lie can be easily disproven and you know how when children lie, "I did not eat a cookie" and the evidence is all over their face, they still stick to the lie. You ask them, "Why are those crumbs all over your face?" and they say,"I don't know how that got there but I did not eat a cookie." This is how Casey lies , no matter what LE says she says over and over "I left her with the nanny." To some extent I think Cindy does this. I mean surely she has heard that tape of the 911 call a million times. In fact she has been questioned about it by the media and even protesters. So she knows that is a lie and she knows it can be proven that she said that but she still did not eat the proverbial cookie. In the Scott Peterson case his mother told him on the phone deny, deny, deny and I think people think if they keep doing that someone will believe that what they are saying is the truth. And I think that does happen. But the trouble is LE deals in detecting lies , it the nature of the business. I have always been puzzled why Casey did not have a better story, like we were at the park and she wandered off or I was in Sears and she suddenly was not there. I mean that would be so much harder to disprove would it not?Even Susan Smith car jacker story was not immediately disproved as fast as Caseys was. Not saying I wish she had found a better lie but..... sure is puzzling how she thought that was a good story.

Cindy's style is to change the subject completely. "Cindy, what color is the sky?" "Yesterday I went to the supermarket. I drove my Escalade. They had some really fresh lettuce. I got pork chops for supper......."
Never does answer the question so can't call that lying.

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Thank god for u J.D. nice story. Like i said i luv cats with attitude-had one myself for 18 years-good ole Levi. She was such a b/i/t/c/h but made me laugh every day.

That is Kali. She will even crawl in my lap and meow when I am on the phone because she is jealous I am not paying attention to her. I hope she will live as long as I do and my daughter i CO says she will take her if she outlives me.
I am 63 and hopefully that won't happen.

[javahog]

I have 2 happy thoughts from the recently released jailhouse visit.

1) Casey really doesn't like jail. The few emotions she has are negatively affected by jail. This is a good thing.

2) Casey is actually dumb enough that she might try to take the stand. Go Casey! Make your case! Yippee!

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Thursday, January 15, 2009
Who Is Jose Baez Besides Being Casey Anthony's Attorney?

After reading today at Examiner.Com that Jose Baez's past experience involves winning 32 out of 34 trials while working as an intern at a Public Defender's Office as well as doing internet training at Lexis-Nexis, I was shocked.

How did this guy get to be the lead counsel on the biggest case of the year? And however snooty this may sound, Casey Anthony BETTER have a dream team if this is the type of experience we're talking about here.

Most defense attorneys work years before they take on felony cases of this magnitude, where the death penalty is involved. And that's before you add in all the media hoopla. What gives?

Here's what I found out about Jose Baez.

1. First of all, his website doesn't allow you to read his bio page - it just clicks back to the home page when you attempt to go there. Nice, expensive website.

2. WESH-TV in Orlando reports that it has checked out his recent past experience in their records; however when you compare this to the Baez site with its four "success stories," it's duplicative.

Plus, there's only FOUR and they are the kind of wins you'd expect an aggressive, Young-Turk type of defense attorney to have on his site at this point. NOTHING near to the complexity of the Anthony matter.

3. You can't pull up his information at Martindale, when is a site owned by Lexis - purportedly, his former employer. He's not in Martindale???? What??????

4. The Florida Bar Association shows Jose Angel Baez to be in good standing with them, with offices in Kissamee, Florida. He was admitted to practice in September 2005.

5. I found a site, avvo.com, that reports Jose Baez got his law degree from St. Thomas School of Law - while Investigation Discovery quotes Baez's web site as Baez having a Bachelor's of Science Degree in Criminology from Florida State University. Same source also quotes the Baez site as Baez working for the Public Defender's Office since 1995.

Okay.

We know that he's been licensed to practice for around 3 years when he takes the Casey Anthony case.

We know that he's got an office in Kissamee, and he's paid for a very nice website.

We know he's not listed in Martindale (a real red flag to lawyers out there).

Today, I can't get anything off the website. However, it appears that those seeking information about Baez have had access to it, and it's been from his own website that they've reported his "success stories" as well as his background and experience.

Personally, I'll give Jose Baez this: as a trial lawyer, you go into a courtroom and take responsibility for another human being.

It takes a whole lot of chutzpah to do that job. Courage, huevos, whatever you want to call it.

And it's clear that Jose Baez has that in spades.

What's not clear is what the heck Jose Baez thinks he's doing, representing Casey Anthony. Her defense is something that even the most seasoned of advocates would find challenging.

He's gone out and got himself some co-counsel. Good. Great.

Because there's a thing called "ineffective assistance of counsel" that every jailhouse lawyer can chant like a mantra upon appeal and if my search of the web is all we've got to put in an appellate brief here, well - Katie Bar the Door.

Point of Error comin'.

Unless, of course, on the first day of trial we get a Surprise Change in Lead Counsel -- a Mystery Lawyer who reveals himself or herself as things tee up (wouldn't that make a great Nancy Grace Bombshell?)....

http://backseatlawyer.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-is-jose-baez-besides-being-casey.html

Excuse the ignorance but what is Martindale?

[mu8shark]

Cindy's style is to change the subject completely. "Cindy, what color is the sky?" "Yesterday I went to the supermarket. I drove my Escalade. They had some really fresh lettuce. I got pork chops for supper......."
Never does answer the question so can't call that lying.Sometimes Cindy does evade by changing the subject but sometimes she outright lies. On LKL she tries to deny she said a dead body and she also says she saw the pizza in the garbage bag, both big fat lies not evasions. There are many others. Also I agree they may want to wait for immunity . But if her email is to be believed that Cindy says Casey did not harm Caylee and it will be proven in court, it does not give me hope they will ever come clean.

[mu8shark]

I have 2 happy thoughts from the recently released jailhouse visit.

1) Casey really doesn't like jail. The few emotions she has are negatively affected by jail. This is a good thing.

2) Casey is actually dumb enough that she might try to take the stand. Go Casey! Make your case! Yippee! I know many have said Baez will never let her testify but I wonder if Casey's personality as narcissistic as it is may demand it. And if he thinks the recently released tape is good and he wanted it released , he may think on there she is doing just great and he may not be such a great judge of what will convince jurors. So I know the conventional wisdom would be to keep her off the stand, but you just never know with her personality and Jose's apparent faith in her.

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Pine-sol can be toxic - you don't want to spend $1K at the vet to have his kidneys flushed.

Try tabasco sauce or put the grinds in a sealed baggie before you throw them away. You can even rub a drop or two of tabasco on the bag until he decides not to go after the grinds any longer.

Gator

I hadn't really thought of that. glad you brought it up. the smell was enough to keep our puppy away, but may not work for all dogs.

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In my opinion only, no I don't think Casey has anything on them. I mean what could be as bad as murdering a two year old like she has. In the jailhouse tapes they may be trying to maneuver around her and coddle her for info but why they began to support her and lie for her I think has to do with Cindy trying to get her off. I still go back to what Cindy told the reporter "I don't want to lose another one."

That is a very good point. I had forgotten about that remark.

[lorettalockhorn]

After the early report that Caylee had been missing 31 days and Cindy's statement about the car smelling like a dead body, i've always felt that a plea for Caylee's safe return would have sounded kinda hollow.

I also couldn't see the Ants standing behind Casey and making a public statement such as "We love Casey and we hope she is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance but things are pointing in that direction"

Whoa! Cindy insisted that Caylee was alive and G&C made statements that she was being moved and the kidnappers were under surveillance up until the point that Caylee's remains were discovered. And Cindy wasn't too damned nice about much of what she had to say. For her NOT to make a plea stinks.

And Conway has stated that they continue to support Casey along with Cindy's email to Lois P. I'm going to go with the thought that they do love her and out of that blind love and/or sheer stupidity and/or mental defect and/or complete and total denial do believe that ZFG exists. Which I guess considering that Cindy has publicly discounted the scientific and circumstantial evidence must be the case.

[mu8shark]

I was thinking about Caseys reaction to Cindy saying' Give us something to go on." If she were telling the truth why wouldn't she have tips. She has had all this time to think. So why wouildn't she say 'Well Zenaida used to work here, talk to her former boss or she lived here or vacatoned there . And she used to hang out with so and so. " She used to socialize with Zanny according to her story they were drinking in a hotel room, right? So after two years she can't say one single thing about this womans life that might aid in the search.??? I know she gave LE some places where Zenaida supposedly lived or was from , but if you are around people for two years you would have some information about them. Zenaida apparently had no other life but Casey and Caylee. LOL. And as weird as it sounds because obviously I know the nanny is not true. Casey could not be bothered to even make more stuff up.! On these tapes it is like she is done, done, done with any real mention of that little girl and she only wants to get out, get off the charges and go on with her life. And she gets unbelievably irritated that her mother or father want to talk about Caylee.

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Dissecting the Caylee Anthony Case

What's the latest in the Caylee Anthony murder case? Greta is live in Orlando, Fla. tonight with a special in-depth look and interviews with key figures on tonight's 'On the Record' at 10 ET!

•January 16: A Closer Look at the Caylee Anthony Case: Casey's defense attorney sits down with Greta and so much more!

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.htmlFriday

Thanks, Snoop, for posting this. I for one would have missed it without your post.

[mu8shark]

Whoa! Cindy insisted that Caylee was alive and G&C made statements that she was being moved and the kidnappers were under surveillance up until the point that Caylee's remains were discovered. And Cindy wasn't too damned nice about much of what she had to say. For her NOT to make a plea stinks.

And Conway has stated that they continue to support Casey along with Cindy's email to Lois P. I'm going to go with the thought that they do love her and out of that blind love and/or sheer stupidity and/or mental defect and/or complete and total denial do believe that ZFG exists. Which I guess considering that Cindy has publicly discounted the scientific and circumstantial evidence must be the case. But Cindy told LE she had not believed there was a nanny for a year. And that statement will probably come back to bite her in the ass if she tries to get up there and push the nanny does exist story. In fact it would be my first question on cross for Cindy and then at the end of cross I would ask it again even if Bizarre objected . I would ask her why she told LE that she knew for a year that the nanny did not exist.

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Well which makes me think that in their heart of hearts they knew that child was dead, not literally as in Casey told them but I think they knew way down deep inside and the more it became the more they wanted to cover for her.

I think they knew from the first whiff they got of that car that one or both Casey and Caylee were dead. When they found Casey, they had to know it was Caylee. That's what Cindy was implying when she talked with the dispatcher. " My granddaughter is missing and the trunk of my daughter's car smell like a dead body has been in there." She the same as said it.

[lorettalockhorn]

But Cindy told LE she had not believed there was a nanny for a year. And that statement will probably come back to bite her in the ass if she tries to get up there and push the nanny does exist story. In fact it would be my first question on cross for Cindy and then at the end of cross I would ask it again even if Bizarre objected . I would ask her why she told LE that she knew for a year that the nanny did not exist.

But, but, but

We can say that until the cows come home. If any of the public statements are brought in, it's not going to matter what Cindy testifies to in court. She is every bit the liar that Casey is. And George, to a lesser extent. Of course, they can always claim that the top notch investigative skills of D Casey convinced them that Zanny did exist after speaking to LE.

[lorettalockhorn]

Way behind watching JVM, but they are discussing the conflict of interest that Mark NeJame is showing by representing Tim Miller. Also the attorney from FL whose name is Eiglarsh(sp?) brought up the Florida jury instructions re: NeJame's having paid Kronk $5,000.

See 3.9 Weighing the Evidence:

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml#

[One2Snoop]

Anthony’s still selling missing toddler t-shirts
Last Edited: Friday, 16 Jan 2009, 7:43 PM EST
Created: Friday, 16 Jan 2009, 7:43 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Weeks after the remains of missing toddler Caylee Antony were found, t-shirts bearing her likeness and asking for information on her whereabouts are still being sold.

The place? The MySpace website set up by the Anthony family shortly after Caylee went missing. The website said it was updated on January 13th.

The message says that in response to folks who want bracelets and shirts from the search for Caylee there are some left and they are for sale. All you have to do is write a check to the Anthony’s.

That isn’t setting well with some people.

“I don't think they should be profiting, I think it's wrong,” said one visitor to the makeshift memorial set up where the toddler’s remains were found.

Then there are blogs with dozens of email from folks, who say things such as " they (the Anthony’s) are sick individuals, morbid” they say since Caylee is no longer alive.

But according to Michelle Bart the woman in charge of the website, she put the message up at Cindy Anthony’s request.

“Since dr. G's announcement on December 19th,” Bart said. “I have had numerous requests still for bracelets and shirts."

The money Bart made from the items she said will go to nonprofits that helped with the search.

Bart added that said she would be talking with Cindy to see if they should close the sale.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8266959&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

Way behind watching JVM, but they are discussing the conflict of interest that Mark NeJame is showing by representing Tim Miller. Also the attorney from FL whose name is Eiglarsh(sp?) brought up the Florida jury instructions re: NeJame's having paid Kronk $5,000.

See 3.9 Weighing the Evidence:

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/jury_instructions/instructions.shtml#

Surely Nejame looked into the legalities of this before giving Kronk the money. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Surely Nejame looked into the legalities of this before giving Kronk the money. :shrug:

It's not illegal as far as I can tell, just ill advised. It's what has been being said all along, that the defense will use this as a way to discredit Kronk's motives, and it will be something for the jury to think about. (NeJame and Kronk couldn't have waited until after the trial?)

[lorettalockhorn]

Anthony’s still selling missing toddler t-shirts
Last Edited: Friday, 16 Jan 2009, 7:43 PM EST
Created: Friday, 16 Jan 2009, 7:43 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Weeks after the remains of missing toddler Caylee Antony were found, t-shirts bearing her likeness and asking for information on her whereabouts are still being sold.

The place? The MySpace website set up by the Anthony family shortly after Caylee went missing. The website said it was updated on January 13th.

The message says that in response to folks who want bracelets and shirts from the search for Caylee there are some left and they are for sale. All you have to do is write a check to the Anthony’s.

That isn’t setting well with some people.

“I don't think they should be profiting, I think it's wrong,” said one visitor to the makeshift memorial set up where the toddler’s remains were found.

Then there are blogs with dozens of email from folks, who say things such as " they (the Anthony’s) are sick individuals, morbid” they say since Caylee is no longer alive.

But according to Michelle Bart the woman in charge of the website, she put the message up at Cindy Anthony’s request.

“Since dr. G's announcement on December 19th,” Bart said. “I have had numerous requests still for bracelets and shirts."

The money Bart made from the items she said will go to nonprofits that helped with the search.

Bart added that said she would be talking with Cindy to see if they should close the sale.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8266959&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Gee, I only have two questions.

1) Were these items ever not for sale? Had they ever been removed from the website? Just how many requests did they have? One? Ten? One hundred?

2) Bart's gonna ask Cindy if they should close the sale after the aforementioned plea to still provide the articles? I thought the items were up for sale at Boss Cindy's direction.

[lorettalockhorn]

Still watching Nancy Grace and I'm wondering if the "police misconduct" that Baez wants us to see is where Casey tells the parents that LE didn't even give her 24 hours to help the case. Yeah, right. 31 days AND 23 hours and 59 minutes would have been enough time for Casey to solve the case. :rolleyes:

Interesting that the medical doctor that spoke seems to think that the funeral may be being held up because the defense is continuing to examine Caylee's bones for evidence of some congenital defect or chloroform. So, if there is some defect that caused Caylee's demise, why/how does that explain that she ended up in The Zone? And I thought that prior experts had told us that the bones wouldn't show evidence of chloroform or drugs. Or maybe not unless they had been used for some period of time. Why would the defense want that information to be part of the case? It's hard enough to believe that anyone other than Casey had control over Caylee before and when she disappeared, it's really going to be a stretch that someone was drugging Caylee for an extended period of time.

[mu8shark]

It's not illegal as far as I can tell, just ill advised. It's what has been being said all along, that the defense will use this as a way to discredit Kronk's motives, and it will be something for the jury to think about. (NeJame and Kronk couldn't have waited until after the trial?) The defense might try that tactic but Kronk could not have known Nejame was going to do this way back in August.I don't think the jury is going to be that worried about whether Kronk took money or what he said in interviews. I think it is Casey there are going to be putting on trial and good luck to the defense if they think they can make it the trial of Kronk and not their client. Because nothing ties him to the crime at all. It is just like everything else that the defense is trying, it is just grasping. I found out what the defense says the prosecutorial misconduct is. regarding the Aug 14 visit. . My cousin said that Geraldo was on Bill O Reilly tonight talking about this case and he said that Baez told Casey specifically not to talk to anyone period , not even her parents and that because LE let her have a visit knowing that he did not want her to talk to anyone without a lawyer, it is misconduct on their part.He contends it will show the jury how overzealous LE was . Also Geraldo says the release of this tape proves George was trying to pump Casey for information on behalf of LE and that because of that it will blow the prosecutions case apart. ! Now first of all, if Casey was told by Baez not to see visitors and she did it anyway, that is her choice. LE would get in a lot of trouble banning her from seeing visitors without a good reason. Second of all if LE did ask George to ask her some questions or pump her for info, so be it. People get miked up and tape others and all kinds of stuff at the behest of LE and it is not against the law, nor does it ruin their cases. Geraldo said on BOR that while he thinks Casey is guilty he thinks because LE made this particular tape afte Baez told Casey not to see people without him, it will give Baez a good defense because LE was wrong to do it and Casey might get off. Geraldo may have been a lawyer once but apparently if he and Baez think the release of this tape will get her off, they are both out there in outer space somewhere. Gonna try to watch the segment myself at 10 pm.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was thinking about Caseys reaction to Cindy saying' Give us something to go on." If she were telling the truth why wouldn't she have tips. She has had all this time to think. So why wouildn't she say 'Well Zenaida used to work here, talk to her former boss or she lived here or vacatoned there . And she used to hang out with so and so. " She used to socialize with Zanny according to her story they were drinking in a hotel room, right? So after two years she can't say one single thing about this womans life that might aid in the search.??? I know she gave LE some places where Zenaida supposedly lived or was from , but if you are around people for two years you would have some information about them. Zenaida apparently had no other life but Casey and Caylee. LOL. And as weird as it sounds because obviously I know the nanny is not true. Casey could not be bothered to even make more stuff up.! On these tapes it is like she is done, done, done with any real mention of that little girl and she only wants to get out, get off the charges and go on with her life. And she gets unbelievably irritated that her mother or father want to talk about Caylee.

Great post! And interesting that G&C don't dare point that out to her.

Dissecting the Caylee Anthony Case

What's the latest in the Caylee Anthony murder case? Greta is live in Orlando, Fla. tonight with a special in-depth look and interviews with key figures on tonight's 'On the Record' at 10 ET!

•January 16: A Closer Look at the Caylee Anthony Case: Casey's defense attorney sits down with Greta and so much more!

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.htmlFriday

Thanks for the heads up!

[Gatordog]

Okay, Casey's first arrest was July 16th, but the long interviews with LE weren't until the 30th and 31st. From what I remember, George was very honest, to the point that the recollection of the smell of the car was visceral. Cindy strikes me as honestly grief stricken in the new( 8/14) video and very dubious about Casey's whole schtick. But two weeks earlier when she talked to LE she was defensive about Casey and her parenting skills, etc.

So before this whole tragedy went down, Cindy considered Casey to be sociopathic, sought counseling, and may have considered custody. It would seem by her myspace post that she knew something was terribly wrong, and when the car was found 7/15 she had to have had a clue that Caylee was dead, but by the time they come out of the bail hearing, she is on the defensive for Casey.

Yes July 16 - I typed June 16 in error. The bond hearing was on July22. FBI interview was on July 30.

[mu8shark]

Still watching Nancy Grace and I'm wondering if the "police misconduct" that Baez wants us to see is where Casey tells the parents that LE didn't even give her 24 hours to help the case. Yeah, right. 31 days AND 23 hours and 59 minutes would have been enough time for Casey to solve the case. :rolleyes:

Interesting that the medical doctor that spoke seems to think that the funeral may be being held up because the defense is continuing to examine Caylee's bones for evidence of some congenital defect or chloroform. So, if there is some defect that caused Caylee's demise, why/how does that explain that she ended up in The Zone? And I thought that prior experts had told us that the bones wouldn't show evidence of chloroform or drugs. Or maybe not unless they had been used for some period of time. Why would the defense want that information to be part of the case? It's hard enough to believe that anyone other than Casey had control over Caylee before and when she disappeared, it's really going to be a stretch that someone was drugging Caylee for an extended period of time. So the defense wants to go before the jury and say Caylee died of natural causes. Oh okay, yeah because that is what mothers do when their children die of natural cases, they make up a story and throw them in the trunk and dispose of the body. No, they call 911 unless of course they have some culpability. What the hell was she talking about they are looking for body parts of Caylee inside a snake? I think she might not have the right info! Bring Perper back!

[lorettalockhorn]

The defense might try that tactic but Kronk could not have known Nejame was going to do this way back in August.I don't think the jury is going to be that worried about whether Kronk took money or what he said in interviews. I think it is Casey there are going to be putting on trial and good luck to the defense if they think they can make it the trial of Kronk and not their client. Because nothing ties him to the crime at all. It is just like everything else that the defense is trying, it is just grasping. I found out what the defense says the prosecutorial misconduct is. regarding the Aug 14 visit. . My cousin said that Geraldo was on Bill O Reilly tonight talking about this case and he said that Baez told Casey specifically not to talk to anyone period , not even her parents and that because LE let her have a visit knowing that he did not want her to talk to anyone without a lawyer, it is misconduct on their part.He contends it will show the jury how overzealous LE was . Also Geraldo says the release of this tape proves George was trying to pump Casey for information on behalf of LE and that because of that it will blow the prosecutions case apart. ! Now first of all, if Casey was told by Baez not to see visitors and she did it anyway, that is her choice. LE would get in a lot of trouble banning her from seeing visitors without a good reason. Second of all if LE did ask George to ask her some questions or pump her for info, so be it. People get miked up and tape others and all kinds of stuff at the behest of LE and it is not against the law, nor does it ruin their cases. Geraldo said on BOR that while he thinks Casey is guilty he thinks because LE made this particular tape afte Baez told Casey not to see people without him, it will give Baez a good defense because LE was wrong to do it and Casey might get off. Geraldo may have been a lawyer once but apparently if he and Baez think the release of this tape will get her off, they are both out there in outer space somewhere. Gonna try to watch the segment myself at 10 pm.

I consider myself average intelligence; smart enough to get on a jury, and I'm telling you that if I was on a jury and even if Bozo was the defense attorney, I would wonder why Kronk's statements keep changing, and why NeJame (who has clearly jumped sides) paid him before the case even hits the courthouse. And even if Baez can't think fast enough on his feet to use Kronk's own flipflopping to discredit him, you know someone like LKB will. No, Kronk can't be tied to the crime that we know of, but I do wonder if he can be tied to the Anthonys. (UGH)

Oh gosh, I can barely take Geraldo by himself. No way could I handle him AND Bill O! Tell your cousin thanks for the synopsis. :beer:

Agree that if Casey agreed to see the rents, it's her own stupid fault if she said anything incriminating. And there have been comments by either Casey, George, or Cindy about being recorded before, so I'm sure they know. It's stated plainly on the OCSO website that visits are videotaped, and I would be very surprised if there isn't some sort of reminded posted in plain view in or near the visitation room.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes July 16 - I typed June 16 in error. The bond hearing was on July22. FBI interview was on July 30.

I knew whacha meant!

So the defense wants to go before the jury and say Caylee died of natural causes. Oh okay, yeah because that is what mothers do when their children die of natural cases, they make up a story and throw them in the trunk and dispose of the body. No, they call 911 unless of course they have some culpability. What the hell was she talking about they are looking for body parts of Caylee inside a snake? I think she might not have the right info! Bring Perper back!

No argument here!

[lorettalockhorn]

Possibly. I do that with my kids too however and the last thing I want is distance. He may have been vying for love or trying to keep her in her seat so he could make her trust him enough to give him answers. He's a mess. He can't wrap his head around any of this crap. It was a shot in the dark because he had nothing else. Sociopaths are terrifying people.

Kinda OT, but what about that exchange about Casey deciding which of the Ants she wants to see alone? And she chose George because she had spent so much time away from him while he and Cindy were separated. HUH? Did I hear that right? I thought that business was all due to the fact that George had screwed up with the online money scam and/or screwed around. (Although it was him that filed for divorce, not Cindy. hmmm) Anyway, I thought Casey hated him for that business. Now she's all sentimental because they were estranged??

[mu8shark]

I consider myself average intelligence; smart enough to get on a jury, and I'm telling you that if I was on a jury and even if Bozo was the defense attorney, I would wonder why Kronk's statements keep changing, and why NeJame (who has clearly jumped sides) paid him before the case even hits the courthouse. And even if Baez can't think fast enough on his feet to use Kronk's own flipflopping to discredit him, you know someone like LKB will. No, Kronk can't be tied to the crime that we know of, but I do wonder if he can be tied to the Anthonys. (UGH)

Oh gosh, I can barely take Geraldo by himself. No way could I handle him AND Bill O! Tell your cousin thanks for the synopsis. :beer:

Agree that if Casey agreed to see the rents, it's her own stupid fault if she said anything incriminating. And there have been comments by either Casey, George, or Cindy about being recorded before, so I'm sure they know. It's stated plainly on the OCSO website that visits are videotaped, and I would be very surprised if there isn't some sort of reminded posted in plain view in or near the visitation room.Okay I will bite. lets say for arguments sake that Baez out and out proves that Kronk was connected to the Anthonys and the Anthonys led him to the body, would that make you acquit Casey? I'm just saying the jury is not going to be interested in trying Kronk or proving his motives or proving if he exagerated or did it for the money.They might say to themselves Kronk is lying or fudging or exagerating or he did profit off this, but why would they think, well all of that is a good reason to let Casey off the hook. ? They will be interested in who killed Caylee and as a juror I would see trying to put Kronk on trial as a smokescreen. As for Nejame are you saying way back in Aug he somehow promised Kronk money to go look for the body? The way I understand it he took the money the Anthonys gave him as payment for his services and gave it to Kronk. In my mind he is washing his hands of the Anthonys and probably does not want to take a red cent from that family. I think he got pretty disgusted with them. I don't see any conspiracy honestly in Nejame giving Kronk the money. As for him paying him the money before the trial, I seriously don't think it was for testimony or a tip leading to a conviction. Nejame contends it is money for finding the body and if nobody else was going to give him a reward he was going to do it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I will bite. lets say for arguments sake that Baez out and out proves that Kronk was connected to the Anthonys and the Anthonys led him to the body, would that make you acquit Casey? I'm just saying the jury is not going to be interested in trying Kronk or proving his motives or proving if he exagerated or did it for the money.They might say to themselves Kronk is lying or fudging or exagerating or he did profit off this, but why would they think, well all of that is a good reason to let Casey off the hook. ? They will be interested in who killed Caylee and as a juror I would see trying to put Kronk on trial as a smokescreen. As for Nejame are you saying way back in Aug he somehow promised Kronk money to go look for the body? The way I understand it he took the money the Anthonys gave him as payment for his services and gave it to Kronk. In my mind he is washing his hands of the Anthonys and probably does not want to take a red cent from that family. I think he got pretty disgusted with them. I don't see any conspiracy honestly in Nejame giving Kronk the money.

The point that I'm trying to make is that all of these witnesses and their testimony will be weighed per the instructions. Kronk screwed the pooch when he went on GMA and then continued to elaborate about his story. Don't know if that will be the case with any other witnesses or not. And don't know if I would acquit Casey at the end of weighing the testimony of many, many witnesses. But those are the instructions, and Kronk's attorney and NeJame have made a boo boo that should have been taught in L one. The least NeJame can do is not go out of his way to make it look as if it's Anthony money that Kronk will be spending.

I think there is a lot that we don't know. I think the defense has some big guns who are probably attached to the case more for ego and publicity than for money, not to mention that a woman's life is at stake here and they will pull out all the stops. That includes impeaching each and every witness that they can.

[Gatordog]

One of the most interesting dynamics in this whole thing is the way George changes out of Cindys view. I was looking back at the summary of George's interview with LE and he says to them he can't believe how Cindy is treating LE . And he says he tries to shut her up but it just makes her madder. At one point Detective Melich implores George to talk to her because she has been threatening LE that if they don't follow the leads she tells them to, she will make trouble for them. Can you imagine that??? It is mind boggling.. I think it probably telling of how things have gone throughout the years .I am guessing George never had any say so in much and could not influence either his daughter or Cindy. Remember when George was honest about his true thoughts about the smell, when Cindy is asked in an interview why he said that when it was supposedly a pizza she says he was under pressure and grief stricken, as if George did not know what he was saying. As far back as July , Cindy did her about face but by the August interviews she has really gone on a rampage against LE according to George's interviews and he brings up his frustration at this twice in the interview. !!Sigh I just go back and forth on George , maybe he should man up at times and other times I think he has done all he can.

When I met Cindy and she proceeded to yell at me, which I asked her not to do, I tried to get a word in edgewise. George was there and not saying a word. I looked at him and said, "she doesn't get it, you can't get through to her." He just looked down and walked away. She continued to say that I didn't think Caylee was worth looking for and that she's not dead and shs's not in the woods. I've only had a few courses in psychology and couldn't diagnose a flea, but maybe she's had a nervous breakdown and this is her way of self-preservation.:shrug:

Gator

[mu8shark]

The point that I'm trying to make is that all of these witnesses and their testimony will be weighed per the instructions. Kronk screwed the pooch when he went on GMA and then continued to elaborate about his story. Don't know if that will be the case with any other witnesses or not. And don't know if I would acquit Casey at the end of weighing the testimony of many, many witnesses. But those are the instructions, and Kronk's attorney and NeJame have made a boo boo that should have been taught in L one. The least NeJame can do is not go out of his way to make it look as if it's Anthony money that Kronk will be spending.

I think there is a lot that we don't know. I think the defense has some big guns who are probably attached to the case more for ego and publicity than for money, not to mention that a woman's life is at stake here and they will pull out all the stops. That includes impeaching each and every witness that they can. Hey no argument there . They will try to impeach every prosecution witness for sure. I am just saying that as a juror I am concerned with who killed that kid and who put that body there. I don't think Baez can come up with evidence that points to Kronk for that particular crime. I am just saying as a juror I don't care if Kronk took a reward or GMA money it does not convince me to acquit Casey because somebody got greedy. As for what Nejame did wrong, I guess I am dumb because I don't see that giving Kronk a reward for finding the body is in any suspect or wrong. And the other thing is I gotta tell you, I don't believe in lots of conspiracies. So I don't believe that Nejame giving Kronk money means he and Kronk and the Anthonys are in some grand conspiracy, but that is just me. One of the books I just re-read is by Vicent Bugliosi on the Manson case and it he addresses this notion that at the end of a trial if the prosecution has done a good job , all questions will be answered, all evidence will make perfect sense and everything will be all tied up like a wrapped package. And in reality he says it does not work that way. There will be questions at the end of this case that are never answered. And Kronk may be one of the those lingering questions, but I predict it won't get Casey off.

[Amy]

ROFLMAO
By the time I figure out what Henwee is saying he's onto the next sentence, then NG cuts him off and I'm lost ...

Once Dr Lee is telling NG that SCIENTISTS cannot tell whether the decomposition is human or animal, I screamed @ him that I will not even TRY to decipher what he is trying to say, as it will be NONSENSE and BS and SMOKE and MIRRORS, and my time is more important than to listen to that drivel!!!!!!

[mu8shark]

Once Dr Lee is telling NG that SCIENTISTS cannot tell whether the decomposition is human or animal, I screamed @ him that I will not even TRY to decipher what he is trying to say, as it will be NONSENSE and BS and SMOKE and MIRRORS, and my time is more important than to listen to that drivel!!!!!! Aw Jeez I forgot all about, that how stupid is that? They can't tell if it is human or animal. That is BS. Dogs for one hit on a very specific scent that is HUMAN not animal. If he tries to get up in front of a jury and say something like that he might as well be speaking Chinese.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey no argument there . They will try to impeach every prosecution witness for sure. I am just saying that as a juror I am concerned with who killed that kid and who put that body there. I don't think Baez can come up with evidence that points to Kronk for that particular crime. I am just saying as a juror I don't care if Kronk took a reward or GMA money it does not convince me to acquit Casey because somebody got greedy. As for what Nejame did wrong, I guess I am dumb because I don't see that giving Kronk a reward for finding the body is in any suspect or wrong. And the other thing is I gotta tell you, I don't believe in lots of conspiracies. So I don't believe that Nejame giving Kronk money means he and Kronk and the Anthonys are in some grand conspiracy, but that is just me. One of the books I just re-read is by Vicent Bugliosi on the Manson case and it he addresses this notion that at the end of a trial if the prosecution has done a good job , all questions will be answered, all evidence will make perfect sense and everything will be all tied up like a wrapped package. And in reality he says it does not work that way. There will be questions at the end of this case that are never answered. And Kronk may be one of the those lingering questions, but I predict it won't get Casey off.

Don't know a lot about the prosecution, but everything I've read has been good; that they are strong, and I do have faith in them. I am concerned that NeJame would do something so ill-advised as to pay Kronk, especially with Anthony money. And even though Kronk's attorney isn't part of the case, you have to wonder where his brain was the day that he didn't stifle the guy. I don't believe in conspiracies in general and don't think there is one here. Just pointing out the obvious.

[Gatordog]

I was thinking about Caseys reaction to Cindy saying' Give us something to go on." If she were telling the truth why wouldn't she have tips. She has had all this time to think. So why wouildn't she say 'Well Zenaida used to work here, talk to her former boss or she lived here or vacatoned there . And she used to hang out with so and so. " She used to socialize with Zanny according to her story they were drinking in a hotel room, right? So after two years she can't say one single thing about this womans life that might aid in the search.??? I know she gave LE some places where Zenaida supposedly lived or was from , but if you are around people for two years you would have some information about them. Zenaida apparently had no other life but Casey and Caylee. LOL. And as weird as it sounds because obviously I know the nanny is not true. Casey could not be bothered to even make more stuff up.! On these tapes it is like she is done, done, done with any real mention of that little girl and she only wants to get out, get off the charges and go on with her life. And she gets unbelievably irritated that her mother or father want to talk about Caylee.


Possibly she was getting so frustrated and got angry at being asked questions about Caylee is because she was asked so many unexpected questions that she went off script and can't remember the lies.

[mu8shark]

Don't know a lot about the prosecution, but everything I've read has been good; that they are strong, and I do have faith in them. I am concerned that NeJame would do something so ill-advised as to pay Kronk, especially with Anthony money. And even though Kronk's attorney isn't part of the case, you have to wonder where his brain was the day that he didn't stifle the guy. I don't believe in conspiracies in general and don't think there is one here. Just pointing out the obvious. Well it just seemed like Nejames experience with the Anthonys ended badly and he is trying to dump the money. It would be one thing if he was paying him on behalf of the Anthonys but to give his fee. I kind of think the smartest thing Nejame did for his own reputation was resign as their lawyer because I don't think he could counsel them as far as them actually taking his advice or I got that impression from his statement. I agree the defense will try to imply all kinds of things, conspiracy and otherwise. I totally agree. I do see them really reaching on a few of these things. By the way Casey did say she was not supposed to come to this visit which indicates to me, Jose advised her not to, but that kind of falls into the category of tough noogies. She did not do what her lawyer told her, what's new. LE though can't be tagged for misconduct for that! Did Casey just call us ignorant? Please, nobody on this board made up that dumb ass story . She also just said 'This will all blow over!" E Did they get rid of some of the smileys on here. I am looking for the face with the suprised face!WTF is it?

[Amy]

TWENTY FIVE???? You would have been thought of as a spinster in my day Jav! LOL!!!

I was 17 years old and I found a way to take care of my baby. I worked nights in a diner and my young teen husband drove a milk truck. We paid rent, bought food and even had a little junk car. Our rent was 95 dollars a month in 1968 and no one babysat for my baby. My father told me to sleep in the bed I made and I did. He wasn't giving me a free ticket. I was a child! I thank him for that every day. I work hard all of my life. I raised 4 great kids and I wish he was here now to see that I am loved, happy and successful and from where he is I suppose he knows that. His mantra: NO FREE LUNCH. Go TO WORK! That was his greatest gift to me. He could have written "Rich Dad Poor Dad." Great book for young parents.

When I trekked off to college, my pitiful savings, scholarships and grants covered my first SEMESTER--college and dorm. I got student loans for the rest, but as I was underage, Daddy had to co-sign. As he held the pen just off the paper he said "I'll sign these papers, but YOU will pay the bill." I just took him @ his word, that each person made his/her own way in the world. You want to buy this car? YOU buy this car, with YOUR money. YOU make your choices, YOU live with them, deal with them. Maybe our Daddies were related? lol

[mu8shark]

Oooh Fuhrman and Baden next on Greta!

[lorettalockhorn]

Watching Greta, she said that LE was at the Anthony house today, but Conway says it wasn't related to the murder investigation. Conway also said that he doesn't represent anyone in this case except G&C. Was this recorded today?

[lorettalockhorn]

Possibly she was getting so frustrated and got angry at being asked questions about Caylee is because she was asked so many unexpected questions that she went off script and can't remember the lies.

Wait! Casey went off script? Or Cindy? Because sometimes I think Cindy has one too. :hat:

Well it just seemed like Nejames experience with the Anthonys ended badly and he is trying to dump the money. It would be one thing if he was paying him on behalf of the Anthonys but to give his fee. I kind of think the smartest thing Nejame did for his own reputation was resign as their lawyer because I don't think he could counsel them as far as them actually taking his advice or I got that impression from his statement. I agree the defense will try to imply all kinds of things, conspiracy and otherwise. I totally agree. I do see them really reaching on a few of these things. By the way Casey did say she was not supposed to come to this visit which indicates to me, Jose advised her not to, but that kind of falls into the category of tough noogies. She did not do what her lawyer told her, what's new. LE though can't be tagged for misconduct for that! Did Casey just call us ignorant? Please, nobody on this board made up that dumb ass story . She also just said 'This will all blow over!" E Did they get rid of some of the smileys on here. I am looking for the face with the suprised face!WTF is it?

LMAO I think Casey meant to say "I will blow ...." Nevermind. :eek:

[mu8shark]

Greta may want to actually read up on the case . I just found about four articles that mention that some of the bones were scatted and some were found clear at the end of the perimeter of that one acre. So where did she get this idea that the whole skelton was in that bag? I give up on her, she is so misinformed.

[starlight2000]

I live in California, and I have been following this case from the beginning, I'm a mother of 2 kids.... and "as a mother" ....I know that if I was ever in a situation like this, I would have called 911 and ask for help immediately. There's no way in the world that I would be able to party, go shopping go to clubs, stay with a guy, etc while my kid went missing.... NO WAY... just the thought about not having one of my kids gives me chills to my spine and I know that I wouldn't be able to sleep, eat, or even smile....
Casey Anthony is without a doubt, "the biggest liar" I have ever seen... Everything that comes out from her mouth are just lies and more lies. She killed this little girl and put her in the trunk of her car, till she decided what to do with her body... All of her actions show no remorse, no emotions whatsover!
I don't think "Caylee's death" was accidental, the facts seem to point that Casey had previously used some form of sedative to put Caylee to sleep while she partied and slept around.... but this last time she used enough to take her life, cause she was obviously jealeous of this beautiful little girl and she wanted to punish her own mother, Cindy anthony!.... So she took her life!

And.....Here is something else to think about...... If you listen to all of the FBI interviews...... There is something that came up in George's (Casey's dad) interviews and is very interesting!
Basically the question was put to George: had he ever noticed Caylee speak about Zanny….or even show any recognition in the name “Zanny” and George says no.....He also says that Caylee never seemed to show any recognition in any other names of people she supposedly has spent time with such as lil' Zachery >>>Jeff Hopkin’s supposed son.... or... Annabel>>> Juliet Lewis’ supposed daughter)

THERE WAS NEVER A ZANNY OR ZENAIDA.... and...WHENEVER CASEY TOOK CAYLEE TO ANY OF HER FRIENDS, THE POOR LIL' GIRL WAS PROBABLY SO OUT OF IT BY THE CHLOROFORM.... SHE PROBABLY NEVER SAW ANYTHING OR ANYONE.... This woman is the a MONSTER... I can't not longer stand seeing her face or hearing her voice!

I just hope that she rottens in jail...I don't wish her the death penalty, I think her worst punishment would be to spend the rest of her life locked up for this awful crime!


My 2 cents!

[lorettalockhorn]

Greta may want to actually read up on the case . I just found about four articles that mention that some of the bones were scatted and some were found clear at the end of the perimeter of that one acre. So where did she get this idea that the whole skelton was in that bag? I give up on her, she is so misinformed.

I'm gonna give her a couple of Atta Girls for not busting a gut when Jose said that the public doesn't know Casey like he does.

[Amy]

Watching the video last night, did you see George looking down at Cindy as she cried ( just after C asked why is she crying already). His face showed such sadness and sympathy for Cindy, but not a peep out of him, until her got on the phone with Casey.

He knew from the day at the towing service, and he knows know...everything he does or even doesn't say is for Cindy. I understand now all his actions when he was yelling at media and people outside his home. Look at his face in the video again ~ it tells it all.

I can't remember exactly how he put it in his interview (with FBI? the first video put out.) HE pretty much acknowledges that Caylee is dead, but he wants to protect Cindy, he needs to help her come to that realization. Apologizes for her actions/words, says he has tried to guide her, but she is having nothing to do with it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I live in California, and I have been following this case from the beginning, I'm a mother of 2 kids.... and "as a mother" ....I know that if I was ever in a situation like this, I would have called 911 and ask for help immediately. There's no way in the world that I would be able to party, go shopping go to clubs, stay with a guy, etc while my kid went missing.... NO WAY... just the thought about not having one of my kids gives me chills to my spine and I know that I wouldn't be able to sleep, eat, or even smile....
Casey Anthony is without a doubt, "the biggest liar" I have ever seen... Everything that comes out from her mouth are just lies and more lies. She killed this little girl and put her in the trunk of her car, till she decided what to do with her body... All of her actions show no remorse, no emotions whatsover!
I don't think "Caylee's death" was accidental, the facts seem to point that Casey had previously used some form of sedative to put Caylee to sleep while she partied and slept around.... but this last time she used enough to take her life, cause she was obviously jealeous of this beautiful little girl and she wanted to punish her own mother, Cindy anthony!.... So she took her life!

And.....Here is something else to think about...... If you listen to all of the FBI interviews...... There is something that came up in George's (Casey's dad) interviews and is very interesting!
Basically the question was put to George: had he ever noticed Caylee speak about Zanny….or even show any recognition in the name “Zanny” and George says no.....He also says that Caylee never seemed to show any recognition in any other names of people she supposedly has spent time with such as lil' Zachery >>>Jeff Hopkin’s supposed son.... or... Annabel>>> Juliet Lewis’ supposed daughter)

THERE WAS NEVER A ZANNY OR ZENAIDA.... and...WHENEVER CASEY TOOK CAYLEE TO ANY OF HER FRIENDS, THE POOR LIL' GIRL WAS PROBABLY SO OUT OF IT BY THE CHLOROFORM.... SHE PROBABLY NEVER SAW ANYTHING OR ANYONE.... This woman is the a MONSTER... I can't not longer stand seeing her face or hearing her voice!

I just hope that she rottens in jail...I don't wish her the death penalty, I think her worst punishment would be to spend the rest of her life locked up for this awful crime!


My 2 cents!

Agree with everything except I want Casey to die. And not of old age.

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Still watching Nancy Grace and I'm wondering if the "police misconduct" that Baez wants us to see is where Casey tells the parents that LE didn't even give her 24 hours to help the case. Yeah, right. 31 days AND 23 hours and 59 minutes would have been enough time for Casey to solve the case. :rolleyes:

Interesting that the medical doctor that spoke seems to think that the funeral may be being held up because the defense is continuing to examine Caylee's bones for evidence of some congenital defect or chloroform. So, if there is some defect that caused Caylee's demise, why/how does that explain that she ended up in The Zone? And I thought that prior experts had told us that the bones wouldn't show evidence of chloroform or drugs. Or maybe not unless they had been used for some period of time. Why would the defense want that information to be part of the case? It's hard enough to believe that anyone other than Casey had control over Caylee before and when she disappeared, it's really going to be a stretch that someone was drugging Caylee for an extended period of time.

Just got through watching Gretta. According to Baez, they need the pros forensic reports to compare to theirs while Caylee "is still with us". Unsure exactly why they need the actual body. Of course it is all the pros's fault.

[mu8shark]

"Sheriff's Capt. Angelo Nieves said the new bones were found on the perimeter of the search area off Suburban Drive where investigators and crime-scene technicians have been working since last week." Also commentators have been talking since they found the bag how the bones were scattered . One defense attorney even commented how he thought someone must have gone through the trouble to place the body there and scatter them. I am really disappointed that Greta is so misinformed that she would waste her one forensic question to Baden with incorrect info? Is anybody else gonna tune in to watch Geraldo on Bill O Reilly!I think I will but would like to have someone else take on it. It is on now where I am. I know I am a critic on this question on Greta but really jeez.

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So the defense wants to go before the jury and say Caylee died of natural causes. Oh okay, yeah because that is what mothers do when their children die of natural cases, they make up a story and throw them in the trunk and dispose of the body. No, they call 911 unless of course they have some culpability. What the hell was she talking about they are looking for body parts of Caylee inside a snake? I think she might not have the right info! Bring Perper back!

Is that what she was trying to say? I took it that they were trying to say Caylee was snake bit! Makes a little more sense now.

[mu8shark]

I live in California, and I have been following this case from the beginning, I'm a mother of 2 kids.... and "as a mother" ....I know that if I was ever in a situation like this, I would have called 911 and ask for help immediately. There's no way in the world that I would be able to party, go shopping go to clubs, stay with a guy, etc while my kid went missing.... NO WAY... just the thought about not having one of my kids gives me chills to my spine and I know that I wouldn't be able to sleep, eat, or even smile....
Casey Anthony is without a doubt, "the biggest liar" I have ever seen... Everything that comes out from her mouth are just lies and more lies. She killed this little girl and put her in the trunk of her car, till she decided what to do with her body... All of her actions show no remorse, no emotions whatsover!
I don't think "Caylee's death" was accidental, the facts seem to point that Casey had previously used some form of sedative to put Caylee to sleep while she partied and slept around.... but this last time she used enough to take her life, cause she was obviously jealeous of this beautiful little girl and she wanted to punish her own mother, Cindy anthony!.... So she took her life!

And.....Here is something else to think about...... If you listen to all of the FBI interviews...... There is something that came up in George's (Casey's dad) interviews and is very interesting!
Basically the question was put to George: had he ever noticed Caylee speak about Zanny….or even show any recognition in the name “Zanny” and George says no.....He also says that Caylee never seemed to show any recognition in any other names of people she supposedly has spent time with such as lil' Zachery >>>Jeff Hopkin’s supposed son.... or... Annabel>>> Juliet Lewis’ supposed daughter)

THERE WAS NEVER A ZANNY OR ZENAIDA.... and...WHENEVER CASEY TOOK CAYLEE TO ANY OF HER FRIENDS, THE POOR LIL' GIRL WAS PROBABLY SO OUT OF IT BY THE CHLOROFORM.... SHE PROBABLY NEVER SAW ANYTHING OR ANYONE.... This woman is the a MONSTER... I can't not longer stand seeing her face or hearing her voice!

I just hope that she rottens in jail...I don't wish her the death penalty, I think her worst punishment would be to spend the rest of her life locked up for this awful crime!


My 2 cents! Great post. Hopefully they will have mothers on the jury that think like you do. Logically! It makes no sense that she would wait 30 days and she seemed to be so over it, like Caylee was so yesterday. Also George' interview about Caylee not remembering Zanny is a good point because many of us on here have theorized because Caylee was getting older and more vocal she would soon be able to say,"Grandpa, who is Zanny or Zachary? I was with Momma today. " So if Casey was thinking of killing her , it had to be soon and her argument with Cindy probably just tipped it.

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Just got through watching Gretta. According to Baez, they need the pros forensic reports to compare to theirs while Caylee "is still with us". Unsure exactly why they need the actual body. Of course it is all the pros's fault. If Jose Bizarre has his way, maybe he will get Henry Lee to testify that Caylee died of German measles which she caught from both non existent Zachary and Annabelle when she was staying at non existent Nannys' house. It is all just posturing anyways, not to be too blunt but if all that is left is bones, I still say they will not find some natural cause that killed that poor child.

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Hey no argument there . They will try to impeach every prosecution witness for sure. I am just saying that as a juror I am concerned with who killed that kid and who put that body there. I don't think Baez can come up with evidence that points to Kronk for that particular crime. I am just saying as a juror I don't care if Kronk took a reward or GMA money it does not convince me to acquit Casey because somebody got greedy. As for what Nejame did wrong, I guess I am dumb because I don't see that giving Kronk a reward for finding the body is in any suspect or wrong. And the other thing is I gotta tell you, I don't believe in lots of conspiracies. So I don't believe that Nejame giving Kronk money means he and Kronk and the Anthonys are in some grand conspiracy, but that is just me. One of the books I just re-read is by Vicent Bugliosi on the Manson case and it he addresses this notion that at the end of a trial if the prosecution has done a good job , all questions will be answered, all evidence will make perfect sense and everything will be all tied up like a wrapped package. And in reality he says it does not work that way. There will be questions at the end of this case that are never answered. And Kronk may be one of the those lingering questions, but I predict it won't get Casey off.

Two of the questions I predict will never be answered are exactly when or how Caylee died. I believe Casey will take that info to the grave with her.

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Two of the questions I predict will never be answered are exactly when or how Caylee died. I believe Casey will take that info to the grave with her. I think the when will be much easier than the how because by 8 pm on the sixteenth or close to it, Caylee is not with Casey anymore according to the video at the Blockbuster and according to Tony he never saw the child that night or ever again. So I think that between 1 pm when George last saw Caylee and Casey and when she met up with Tony again on the 16th they can come that close. I personally think she was dead before Casey made that flurry of phone calls to her Mom and Dad at about 3:11 pm but that is just an opinion. The how I am not so sure they will ever be able to say with certainty although a theory may be presented.

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Watching Greta, she said that LE was at the Anthony house today, but Conway says it wasn't related to the murder investigation. Conway also said that he doesn't represent anyone in this case except G&C. Was this recorded today?

I'm assuming this was recorded today. I guess I am sort of weird but the first thing that went thru my mind was Domestic Disturbance. Next Cindy finally lost it completely and they are going to commit her. Sure would lie to know.

[mu8shark]

Geraldo is so dramatic. He said that allowing that visit and showing it on tv may put the prosecutions whole case in peril. Acchtt oh pleaase....

[mu8shark]

I'm assuming this was recorded today. I guess I am sort of weird but the first thing that went thru my mind was Domestic Disturbance. Next Cindy finally lost it completely and they are going to commit her. Sure would lie to know.Maybe she threatened to hurt herself. Also didn't Conway say something about how some people had been so mean to the Anthonys? Maybe they got a threatening phone call or email or something along those lines. Maybe that Lois woman threatened to kick her ass or something.

[lorettalockhorn]

Geraldo is so dramatic. He said that allowing that visit and showing it on tv may put the prosecutions whole case in peril. Acchtt oh pleaase....

Just this minute saw that charade. PUHLEEZ The prosecution manipulated George into meeting with Casey?

Will we have a transcript of his ridiculous diatribe?

[lorettalockhorn]

...no more parent visits. The prosecutor and the cops manipulated George Anthony into getting that meeting with his daughter specifically (BOR interrupts) the lawyer will allege(?) .... to get this tape, to get this damning tape (interruption) they are playing, they are trying everything they can to alter the playing field, remember they didn't let their forensic experts for the defense witness the exhumation of the body, they are going to screw this case up with their zeal to convict this (interruption) The prosecution and the Orange County sheriff specifically, I think it's outrageous that we are seeing that tape when this woman had an attorney and the attorney said she's not speaking to the authorities, they went in the back door and they saw this testimony which I think puts their whole case in peril.

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...no more parent visits. The prosecutor and the cops manipulated George Anthony into getting that meeting with his daughter specifically (BOR interrupts) the lawyer will allege(?) .... to get this tape, to get this damning tape (interruption) they are playing, they are trying everything they can to alter the playing field, remember they didn't let their forensic experts for the defense witness the exhumation of the body, they are going to screw this case up with their zeal to convict this (interruption) The prosecution and the Orange County sheriff specifically, I think it's outrageous that we are seeing that tape when this woman had an attorney and the attorney said she's not speaking to the authorities, they went in the back door and they saw this testimony which I think puts their whole case in peril. Wow the transcript and written word look just as ridiculous as when he says it. LOL. Again I am going to say if LE did ask George to visit her and get what they could Casey has a choice whether to go to the visit or not go, to take her lawyers advice or not. Just one more bizarre theory put out there by Bizarre's buddy..

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A lot of people over at Gretawire are blasting Greta for her misinformation on all the bones being in the bag. Most people who have followed this case closely know that the bones were scattered. The theory is Greta is defense minded in this case and does not believe Kronk and so she is putting incorrect info out there to make it look bad. I don't know about that but it does get frustrating not getting the local coverage. Nancy gets on my nerves but her info is usually accurate . Greta does not get on my nerves but her info is wrong most of the time, at least lately. . This is the second time by the way she has gotten her info all wrong. And Geraldo forget it he has wrong info and gets on my nerves, so what is a girl to do??