Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[javahog]

Now wait just a darned minute!!! What about my feelings?!?!?!

You know I love your sense of humor! :tongue: And I probably shouldn't tell people that I think I'm psychic. But Leroy knows it's true. I can always tell when he's pulling my leg about dumbarse things like being innocent of unplugging the garage freezer and letting my beautifully organized, alphabetized and stacked in reverse chronological order foodstuffs thaw. :flamemad:

Poor Leroy! I'm sure Zenaida unplugged it on her interstate crime spree...

[Gatordog]

Pls excuse any typos. I'm typing in the dark because Gator wants to sleep so I had to shut the lights. He whines if they're on. And my eyes are are teary and swollen from allergies that I can barely see/ http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[javahog]

Man, oh man I do believe that the life of the Ants must truly be a nightmare. But who'da thunk that their solution would be to obstruct justice in this case? (And I do believe that they have.) Why not just say as little as possible and let nature take its course?

I think there are some mammoth egos in this family who think they can outsmart LE and The State.

Its kind of amazing watching people take a horrible situation and make it worse...it really does remind me of Scott Peterson in a lot of ways...

[javahog]

Pls excuse any typos. I'm typing in the dark because Gator wants to sleep so I had to shut the lights. He whines if they're on. And my eyes are are teary and swollen from allergies that I can barely see/ http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

Aw, who's the omega dog?

You're not having allergies from visiting the scene and scattering seeds are you? hope you feel better soon!

[lorettalockhorn]

Sara.............I posted quite a bit on here recently on how tormented it must feel to be Cindy Anthony. My sympathies were with them the whole while, as I put myself in Cindy's position, and could not fathom everything Casey has done. That includes before June and since.

The line has been crossed. Caylee has been found dead by someone else's hand. At some point in her/our grief, we have to acknowledge the truth and allow Caylee's Memory and Light to shine. That is what a memorial is for. laci Peterson's memorial comes to mind ~ It was beautiful and honored her life, though short.

Loretta, your post was right on re: Cindy's fragile mental Health. The woman is obviously unstable, and while my heart hurts for them all, I cannot condone her actions any longer. That is not dissing or bashing~ you are right, my Gumby woman.

deputydi.... you probably would behave with 'more dignity', as many of us would try to do ~ you are a kind, giving person by all accounts, and that's my point. Cindy is not just griefstricken and in denial..she is unbalanced, and always has been.

Gator....you have been there to see things firsthand, meeting up with Cindy. Your posting has given us so much, because of your opinions, and being there giving us information. I still remember how upset you were upon that day..reaching out of the goodness of your heart and practically having your hand slapped away.

Caylee's memorial should have bells ringing and people singing and love and light for a child who's life has touched this world in a way that we may not even understand till later in our lives.

Cindy Anthony has no right to take that away from her too ~ as her daughter Casey took Caylee's life ~ out of selfishness.

:rose:
:beer: Haterade for all !

Not sure how I missed this earlier. Even though I have sympathy for Cindy's mental health and emotional pain, I can't help but note that she has always had the presence of mind to fabricate. And fire off angry emails to equally lousy parents instead of making (or having her spokesbullsh!tter make) a public statement thanking the people who actually got off their asses and looked for Caylee. Which is more than we can say for her. And just where were her heartfelt pleas for the safe return of Caylee? I never saw one. Not one. Never did she go on TV and beg Zenaida Gonzalez to please bring her granddaughter home.

G&C's reactions to "the kidnapping" are a critical part of this case. There is no way not to talk about and critique that. That they never made a personal effort to find Caylee or broker her return is proof enough to me that they know/knew that "the kidnapping" was a farce. Probably from the get go.

You're not really very old, are you? But you do have an old soul. Drat, all I have is an old sole.

[Gatordog]

I suck at trying to be funny. :punch: I thought whoever said it was being facetious thus I was being facetious in return. Sorry Gator, hope you weren't offended. :o

Absolutely not but then I can barely read what you wrote. :D I did say I thought I was clairvoyant because I see a lot of indictments and full jail dorms in the future. :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Poor Leroy! I'm sure Zenaida unplugged it on her interstate crime spree...

She's probably a vegan. :rolleyes:

[SaraSidle]

Pedestrians + bumpers = tibias (and fibulas) straight to the pathology teaching collection...and you'll keep seeing more of me than you can stand! I'm currently a stay at home mom, and crime is actually darn close to archaeology. Just, you know, wetter...and angrier...

Oh java does it bother you about the victims? my last ambulance call was 4 16 yr old boys in a rollover on a rainy night. everyone of them was shot out the open windows as the car rolled (no seatbelts) and all died instantly of broken necks. it was so bad we kept looking for another car and more victims. It was 3 in the morning. I stopped ambulancing on that call.
the fib/tib thing is interesting. I guess I was thinking bumpers would be higher. but I am sure you know so much more I am very excited to be posting with you. what do you think about the fact that Caylee could not have been moved since june due to the foliage around her remains?

[Gatordog]

Poor Leroy! I'm sure Zenaida unplugged it on her interstate crime spree...

Was Zenaida driving a green Ford Taurus? I'm still looking - I should have known she;d take it out of state. Probably heading towards Mexico, maybe North Carolina.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Not sure how I missed this earlier. Even though I have sympathy for Cindy's mental health and emotional pain, I can't help but note that she has always had the presence of mind to fabricate. And fire off angry emails to equally lousy parents instead of making (or having her spokesbullsh!tter make) a public statement thanking the people who actually got off their asses and looked for Caylee. Which is more than we can say for her. And just where were her heartfelt pleas for the safe return of Caylee? I never saw one. Not one. Never did she go on TV and beg Zenaida Gonzalez to please bring her granddaughter home.

G&C's reactions to "the kidnapping" are a critical part of this case. There is no way not to talk about and critique that. That they never made a personal effort to find Caylee or broker her return is proof enough to me that they know/knew that "the kidnapping" was a farce. Probably from the get go.

You're not really very old, are you? But you do have an old soul. Drat, all I have is an old sole.

well loretta I will not be in judgement of G and C for what they are doing or will do unless it is criminal. in my mind the case I am paying attention to is Casey,lee, lousy LE, lousy PIs and Lousy psychics and lots of evidence. I am done talking about G and C. I am terribly glad none of us have been in their shoes. speaking of soles cannot your DH help out there or is he jealous of all you men on here?

[lorettalockhorn]

Was Zenaida driving a green Ford Taurus? I'm still looking - I should have known she;d take it out of state. Probably heading towards Mexico, maybe North Carolina.

Gator

LMAO She better upgrade. My garage freezer is in Arkansas. Girl needs OnStar or GPS.

[Gatordog]

I guess I better go to sleep. I've taken so much allergy med and eye drops that I tried to change the TV channel with the telephone instead of remote control.

Nighty nite http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sleep018.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Pls excuse any typos. I'm typing in the dark because Gator wants to sleep so I had to shut the lights. He whines if they're on. And my eyes are are teary and swollen from allergies that I can barely see/ http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

please tell me you are not allergic to Gatordog

[mu8shark]

When you have a child in day care, there is always something: you forget to put fresh diapers in the diaper bag, the baby spits up on 2 suits of clothes. I once had to take my granddaughter's babysitter a pacifier which had been left at home when her baby was tiny.There are always calls goingback and forth< even if it is just to check.

I don't think Jose will even mention Zenaida. He will put on a bunch of experts to refute the pros experts and try to create reasonable doubt and that will be it. This is absolutely his best strategy to drop the nanny story altogether and try to combat the forensics. However, I predict it won't work because when jurors are given competing forensics , and they can't quite choose, they look at the other evidence, the lies, the smell in the car, the waiting thirty days, the mom who supposedly 'loved that child ' (as Cindy said), and partied and bought, bought, and bought once she was missing and they will ask themselves, what forenics fit the rest of the evidence, what is rational from a common sense perspective and they will convict. He really should try to combat some of the other evidence, but he can't make the lies truth and he can't really make his client a caring, grieving, distraught mother, so he does not have much to work with. I know I have said this particular point before but let me be bold and say that at the end of it all when you have competing forensics, jurors go with their common sense and Casey did not do what most of us as human beings would have done from the get go and call the police. That simple miscalculation is going to kill er at trial, I am telling you. I really hope the prosecutor points out how outlandish it is for her not to do that, not just because when your child is kidnapped obviously you report it, but why would you not call the police to check on the welfare of your child care worker who could be in a ditch or dead or who fell prey to foul play herself.? It is absurd on its face that a woman who had exemplary behavior supposedly for two years and was nothing but loving towards your child and supportive of you would immediately be suspected of kidnapping when you had not ruled everything else out. It just is and I hope the prosecutors don't get too wrapped up only in the forensics but really nails her on her behavior and how it is totally illogical and severe. Because I keep hearing defense attorneys say just because she is a liar does not mean she is a murderer, but I think they are missing the point, it is what she lied about, her missing child and juries don't like lying when a three year old is missing.

[Gatordog]

please tell me you are not allergic to Gatordog

Sure I am = allergic to dogs and cats and wheat and corn and beef and pork and.......

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess I better go to sleep. I've taken so much allergy med and eye drops that I tried to change the TV channel with the telephone instead of remote control.

Nighty nite http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sleep018.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

Do you ever take Nyquil? I just swear by the stuff, but the older I get, the more it gives me sort of a hangover even if I don't take a full dose; and the guy will be here first thing to replace my pool pump tomorrow.

http://i33.tinypic.com/30ued5u.jpg

[lighthousedazy]

Pls excuse any typos. I'm typing in the dark because Gator wants to sleep so I had to shut the lights. He whines if they're on. And my eyes are are teary and swollen from allergies that I can barely see/ http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

GatorOh dear, my little mutt dog Gus, half chihuahua and half ****dzu, he's got to have the lights on when he goes outside at night. This is ridiculous. I grew up on a farm with bird dogs that never came inside. :D

[mu8shark]

Pls excuse any typos. I'm typing in the dark because Gator wants to sleep so I had to shut the lights. He whines if they're on. And my eyes are are teary and swollen from allergies that I can barely see/ http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

GatorO my god you spoil your dog! Just like me I might add!. Good for you, it is such a noble thing to give an animal a great life and spoil them and make them important! They are so worth it.

[lighthousedazy]

Do you ever take Nyquil? I just swear by the stuff, but the older I get, the more it gives me sort of a hangover even if I don't take a full dose; and the guy will be here first thing to replace my pool pump tomorrow.

http://i33.tinypic.com/30ued5u.jpgMy husband swears by nyquil too. I can't take it. I wake up in 3 hours and can't go back to sleep. :o

[mu8shark]

I will NEVER see Casey as a victim. Lots and lots of people live through horrible childhoods and they don't grow up to murder their beautiful, innocent little child.

I can take all the dissing of Cindy and I even agree with it sometimes but referring to Casey as a victim is way too over the top for me.I agree I don't see Casey as a victim at all. At some point we all grow up and we have to make our own decisions and go in either an evil or a good direction. I know I have made mistakes in my life so I am not saying I am perfect but you know what I mean about deciding to be a good, kind , decent person. I know people who have suffered a ton of real abuse as children and they choose to be good people and rise above it. I don't think Casey had it that bad, I do think she and Cindy are alike in a ton of ways.

[javahog]

Oh java does it bother you about the victims? my last ambulance call was 4 16 yr old boys in a rollover on a rainy night. everyone of them was shot out the open windows as the car rolled (no seatbelts) and all died instantly of broken necks. it was so bad we kept looking for another car and more victims. It was 3 in the morning. I stopped ambulancing on that call.
the fib/tib thing is interesting. I guess I was thinking bumpers would be higher. but I am sure you know so much more I am very excited to be posting with you. what do you think about the fact that Caylee could not have been moved since june due to the foliage around her remains?

I actually don't know much about decomp except as in trying to stop it through mummification, so you may well have better sources than me. My instinct it was there a long time, though...

And yeah, all the dead bother me, no matter how long they've been that way...I always think of the families...

[Justice Denied?]

I am starting to notice the fickleness JD. I am hoping she keeps it simple and I do not mean LP next................:shrug:

That is absolutely too funny!:biggrin::biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

LMAO She better upgrade. My garage freezer is in Arkansas. Girl needs OnStar or GPS.

I think it is a silver ford 4 door. now we are all curious to know what is in your garage freezer...........................:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

That is absolutely too funny!:biggrin::biggrin:

don't tell her I wrote that or she will have my head lol:hat:

[SaraSidle]

I actually don't know much about decomp except as in trying to stop it through mummification, so you may well have better sources than me. My instinct it was there a long time, though...

And yeah, all the dead bother me, no matter how long they've been that way...I always think of the families...

yeah the families are the worst part. I do not do decomp either. My job was just load and go. Our worst in the morgue was a suicide in a swamp. After a few days the morgue was loaded with house flies. I do not study the life of bugs but somebody should have known better. it was gross! I truly believe that is where Caylee was placed due to the fact that it was an old hangout for Casey and she buried her pets there. sounds morbid but I think that is what she did. IMO sara

[lighthousedazy]

I agree I don't see Casey as a victim at all. At some point we all grow up and we have to make our own decisions and go in either an evil or a good direction. I know I have made mistakes in my life so I am not saying I am perfect but you know what I mean about deciding to be a good, kind , decent person. I know people who have suffered a ton of real abuse as children and they choose to be good people and rise above it. I don't think Casey had it that bad, I do think she and Cindy are alike in a ton of ways.As I posted a while back, and I learned from my daughter, some of her cases are as spoiled rotten and self centered as any caysee anthony, and some of the poor litle kids who were left to raise themselves are smart and good hardworking kids. jmo

[tv]

I have a comment/question. If it's already been discussed I apologize. :tongue:

When Caylee's little remains were first found it was said that the meter reader's name was Gonzalez which we now know was wrong. Now we're hearing that the abandoned house is owned by someone named Gonzalez. Does anyone else think that this case has an almost unbelievable number of coincidences attached to it? :shrug:

[Justice Denied?]

This is absolutely his best strategy to drop the nanny story altogether and try to combat the forensics. However, I predict it won't work because when jurors are given competing forensics , and they can't quite choose, they look at the other evidence, the lies, the smell in the car, the waiting thirty days, the mom who supposedly 'loved that child ' (as Cindy said), and partied and bought, bought, and bought once she was missing and they will ask themselves, what forenics fit the rest of the evidence, what is rational from a common sense perspective and they will convict. He really should try to combat some of the other evidence, but he can't make the lies truth and he can't really make his client a caring, grieving, distraught mother, so he does not have much to work with. I know I have said this particular point before but let me be bold and say that at the end of it all when you have competing forensics, jurors go with their common sense and Casey did not do what most of us as human beings would have done from the get go and call the police. That simple miscalculation is going to kill er at trial, I am telling you. I really hope the prosecutor points out how outlandish it is for her not to do that, not just because when your child is kidnapped obviously you report it, but why would you not call the police to check on the welfare of your child care worker who could be in a ditch or dead or who fell prey to foul play herself.? It is absurd on its face that a woman who had exemplary behavior supposedly for two years and was nothing but loving towards your child and supportive of you would immediately be suspected of kidnapping when you had not ruled everything else out. It just is and I hope the prosecutors don't get too wrapped up only in the forensics but really nails her on her behavior and how it is totally illogical and severe. Because I keep hearing defense attorneys say just because she is a liar does not mean she is a murderer, but I think they are missing the point, it is what she lied about, her missing child and juries don't like lying when a three year old is missing.

I really think what will hang Casey is the trunk of her car. I can think of several scenarios that explain most of the evidence but can't get around the evidence in the car.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=twinzmama;9153564]Cindy has lied about the same amount as Casey. Cindy's continued support of her grandchild's murderer is sickening. For all those who believe oh she is in denial, or oh she feels Casey is truly innocent, or Cindy's dribble that Casey is or was a good daughter and good mother, you may want to reread Cindy's myspace page from July 3rd BEFORE SHE EVEN THOUGHT SHE WAS KIDNAPPED BY THE FAKE BABYSITTER:

Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Who is now watching out for the little angel?
Yeah, who INDEED, certainly not her grandmother.
Sound like a good daughter, good mother to you???
I bet if all the forensic evidence were in Zenaida's car or Zenaida was the person parked in "the jail" Cindy Anthony would be on every national news media outlet SHOUTING FOR JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!![/QUOTE by mu8shark I totally agree with this post. .]Cindy also told the FBI Casey was reliable and responsible among her other lies. She has done everything she could to mislead authorities. I believe she has known for a while that that child is dead and as she told the reporter"Does not want to lose another one." I know some on here do not want some of us to mention Cindy in any negative way but perhaps if Cindy had put a little more emphasis on the truth , her child would not be a pathological liar. I have very little to say that can be construed as positive about that woman. It is one thing to believe what you want to believe because your heart hurts but she has lied with great purpose to get her daughter off. Just my opinion and maybe not a good idea for other posters to ask those of us who feel angry about Cindy not to talk anymore about it, because she continues to do the most outrageous, dishonest, detestable stuff. Not to hurt anyones feelings but whatever subject comes up and whatever posters feel about it is helpful. I think.

[mu8shark]

I really think what will hang Casey is the trunk of her car. I can think of several scenarios that explain most of the evidence but can't get around the evidence in the car. I think you are right, they can't put anyone else in that car and it may come down to something just like that.

[mu8shark]

I have a comment/question. If it's already been discussed I apologize. :tongue:

When Caylee's little remains were first found it was said that the meter reader's name was Gonzalez which we now know was wrong. Now we're hearing that the abandoned house is owned by someone named Gonzalez. Does anyone else think that this case has an almost unbelievable number of coincidences attached to it? :shrug: The reporter on either NG or JVM said that the legal analyst for their station believes Casey may have dumped the body deliberately across the street from a house where Gonzales once lived. I would not put it past her.

[tv]

I really think what will hang Casey is the trunk of her car. I can think of several scenarios that explain most of the evidence but can't get around the evidence in the car.Unless there's something that LE is holding back I have to agree with you JD.

[SaraSidle]

I agree I don't see Casey as a victim at all. At some point we all grow up and we have to make our own decisions and go in either an evil or a good direction. I know I have made mistakes in my life so I am not saying I am perfect but you know what I mean about deciding to be a good, kind , decent person. I know people who have suffered a ton of real abuse as children and they choose to be good people and rise above it. I don't think Casey had it that bad, I do think she and Cindy are alike in a ton of ways.

Isn't that so true. Being that Casey is a sociopathic I think the question of the ages is was she raised or born that way? regardless with the coldness of murdering her daughter for vengeance or whatever reasoning and all the lies to confuse and throw people off I belive she is guilty of 1st degree and deserves the punishment she gets. IMO sara

[lighthousedazy]

I have a comment/question. If it's already been discussed I apologize. :tongue:

When Caylee's little remains were first found it was said that the meter reader's name was Gonzalez which we now know was wrong. Now we're hearing that the abandoned house is owned by someone named Gonzalez. Does anyone else think that this case has an almost unbelievable number of coincidences attached to it? :shrug:Yes, and I think that caysee knew that the parcel was owned by a Gonzales; thus her little bit of truth in her lie. Thus her cryptic messages to Lee that Caylee was 'close' and places that were familiar to the family.

[tv]

The reporter on either NG or JVM said that the legal analyst for their station believes Casey may have dumped the body deliberately across the street from a house where Gonzales once lived. I would not put it past her.

Zanaida once lived in that house? How would Casey have found out so much information on this woman? I'm still trying to figure out how she knew what kind of care she drove!

[One2Snoop]

Oh dear, my little mutt dog Gus, half chihuahua and half ****dzu, he's got to have the lights on when he goes outside at night. This is ridiculous. I grew up on a farm with bird dogs that never came inside. :D


ROFLMAO - Joining your club - my half chihuahua/fox terrier - same thing, lights on or she won't go outside. Must be something in the breed LOL. And she thinks she owns our king size bed - fluffy pillows and all. :eek:

[lighthousedazy]

Isn't that so true. Being that Casey is a sociopathic I think the question of the ages is was she raised or born that way? regardless with the coldness of murdering her daughter for vengeance or whatever reasoning and all the lies to confuse and throw people off I belive she is guilty of 1st degree and deserves the punishment she gets. IMO saraSara, I think that she was born that way.

[javahog]

As I posted a while back, and I learned from my daughter, some of her cases are as spoiled rotten and self centered as any caysee anthony, and some of the poor litle kids who were left to raise themselves are smart and good hardworking kids. jmo

Just look at the brothers Steven Stayner and Cary Stayner. Steven got the worst possible hand and made the good choice when he could save little Timmy, but his brother who had it "good" became a spree killer. We all make a choice at some point...

[tv]

Yes, and I think that caysee knew that the parcel was owned by a Gonzales; thus her little bit of truth in her lie. Thus her cryptic messages to Lee that Caylee was 'close' and places that were familiar to the family.

Marc Klaas sure hit the nail on the head when he called her an odious creature! :beer:

[SaraSidle]

Now wait just a darned minute!!! What about my feelings?!?!?!

You know I love your sense of humor! :tongue: And I probably shouldn't tell people that I think I'm psychic. But Leroy knows it's true. I can always tell when he's pulling my leg about dumbarse things like being innocent of unplugging the garage freezer and letting my beautifully organized, alphabetized and stacked in reverse chronological order foodstuffs thaw. :flamemad:

ooooooooooooooooo I want to know you better LOL Poor Leroy I bet he has to eat a lot fast at times. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

I really think what will hang Casey is the trunk of her car. I can think of several scenarios that explain most of the evidence but can't get around the evidence in the car.

Amen. And there is nothing (so far, anyway) to make us believe that anyone other than Casey was ever in control of that car.

[QUOTE=twinzmama;9153564]Cindy has lied about the same amount as Casey. Cindy's continued support of her grandchild's murderer is sickening. For all those who believe oh she is in denial, or oh she feels Casey is truly innocent, or Cindy's dribble that Casey is or was a good daughter and good mother, you may want to reread Cindy's myspace page from July 3rd BEFORE SHE EVEN THOUGHT SHE WAS KIDNAPPED BY THE FAKE BABYSITTER:

Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Who is now watching out for the little angel?
Yeah, who INDEED, certainly not her grandmother.
Sound like a good daughter, good mother to you???
I bet if all the forensic evidence were in Zenaida's car or Zenaida was the person parked in "the jail" Cindy Anthony would be on every national news media outlet SHOUTING FOR JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!![/QUOTE by mu8shark I totally agree with this post. .]Cindy also told the FBI Casey was reliable and responsible among her other lies. She has done everything she could to mislead authorities. I believe she has known for a while that that child is dead and as she told the reporter"Does not want to lose another one." I know some on here do not want some of us to mention Cindy in any negative way but perhaps if Cindy had put a little more emphasis on the truth , her child would not be a pathological liar. I have very little to say that can be construed as positive about that woman. It is one thing to believe what you want to believe because your heart hurts but she has lied with great purpose to get her daughter off. Just my opinion and maybe not a good idea for other posters to ask those of us who feel angry about Cindy not to talk anymore about it, because she continues to do the most outrageous, dishonest, detestable stuff. Not to hurt anyones feelings but whatever subject comes up and whatever posters feel about it is helpful. I think.

Good reminder twinzmama! And I agree with mu8 in that Cindy is a part of this case and therefore will be talked about. And at this point and because of her duplicity doesn't particularly deserve any special concessions. It very well may be that any or all of Cindy's lies are to cover herself as well as to protect Casey. There is no reason for us not to judge Cindy; that's what we're doing to all the other losers in this sorry business.

[javahog]

Zanaida once lived in that house? How would Casey have found out so much information on this woman? I'm still trying to figure out how she knew what kind of care she drove!

iirc a Zenaida lived at 4709 Hopespring, and a Gonzalez owned 4701 Hopespring. They are right next to each other, and Caylee was found on the plane of the property line between the two properties. Too weird!

I don't think anyone has claimed it is THAT Gonzalez, though...that would sure cap that lawsuit for sure!

[mu8shark]

ITA agree about the phone calls. I used a home daycare when my kids were little, loved the woman, surrogate grandma type, and I called her a few times a day when the kids were really little. It's a mom thing. And other people know about your daycare situation, like who and where she is. The whole story is BS and they need to let it go. Another thing Casey thought was clever was saying she lost her phone or it got stolen or whatever so that way she could say that most of her calls to the nanny or from the nanny were on that phone, but surely she knows that LE could go to the alleged phone company of the alleged phone and from the number still get the records, right? I also saw where Bizarres spokesman made a statement when they ask him about the One Tree Hill episode search on the comp that there were no records like that at all, implying that LE was making that up. I will find the article, I am sure i read it on here, it was at the bottom of the article. Somehow I don't think LE made that up at all.

[lorettalockhorn]

Marc Klaas sure hit the nail on the head when he called her an odious creature! :beer:

Great adjective!

[SaraSidle]

This is absolutely his best strategy to drop the nanny story altogether and try to combat the forensics. However, I predict it won't work because when jurors are given competing forensics , and they can't quite choose, they look at the other evidence, the lies, the smell in the car, the waiting thirty days, the mom who supposedly 'loved that child ' (as Cindy said), and partied and bought, bought, and bought once she was missing and they will ask themselves, what forenics fit the rest of the evidence, what is rational from a common sense perspective and they will convict. He really should try to combat some of the other evidence, but he can't make the lies truth and he can't really make his client a caring, grieving, distraught mother, so he does not have much to work with. I know I have said this particular point before but let me be bold and say that at the end of it all when you have competing forensics, jurors go with their common sense and Casey did not do what most of us as human beings would have done from the get go and call the police. That simple miscalculation is going to kill er at trial, I am telling you. I really hope the prosecutor points out how outlandish it is for her not to do that, not just because when your child is kidnapped obviously you report it, but why would you not call the police to check on the welfare of your child care worker who could be in a ditch or dead or who fell prey to foul play herself.? It is absurd on its face that a woman who had exemplary behavior supposedly for two years and was nothing but loving towards your child and supportive of you would immediately be suspected of kidnapping when you had not ruled everything else out. It just is and I hope the prosecutors don't get too wrapped up only in the forensics but really nails her on her behavior and how it is totally illogical and severe. Because I keep hearing defense attorneys say just because she is a liar does not mean she is a murderer, but I think they are missing the point, it is what she lied about, her missing child and juries don't like lying when a three year old is missing.


you know mu I cannot wait to hear what the LE have as evidence. I am so hoping there are fingerprints on that duct tape and they have the original duct tape........that would rule the best. what can she possible say to that? IMO

[mu8shark]

ROFLMAO - Joining your club - my half chihuahua/fox terrier - same thing, lights on or she won't go outside. Must be something in the breed LOL. And she thinks she owns our king size bed - fluffy pillows and all. :eek: One of my dogs the one pictured will literally move immediately when she crowds me on the bed and I say to her 'Kennedy can you move for Mama please?' But the cocker,a male dog that I have, Brody is a little bed hog and growls when I try to move him like 'How dare you?' So needless to say it is Kennedy and I who have to do the shifting on the bed . LOL. But men are always bed hogs LOL

[SaraSidle]

Great adjective!

and he said that so long ago!!!!! His hair was interesting on NG tonight. IMO

[mu8shark]

you know mu I cannot wait to hear what the LE have as evidence. I am so hoping there are fingerprints on that duct tape and they have the original duct tape........that would rule the best. what can she possible say to that? IMO You read my mind on that. I was just thinking about that, how that would be high five for justice if her prints are found on that tape.!

[lorettalockhorn]

iirc a Zenaida lived at 4709 Hopespring, and a Gonzalez owned 4701 Hopespring. They are right next to each other, and Caylee was found on the plane of the property line between the two properties. Too weird!

I don't think anyone has claimed it is THAT Gonzalez, though...that would sure cap that lawsuit for sure!

From whitepages.com

Fredesvind L Gonzales

4701 Hopespring Dr

Orlando, FL 32829-8642

******************

Zenaida Almodovar

4709 Hopespring Dr

Orlando, FL 32829-8642

[lorettalockhorn]

Another thing Casey thought was clever was saying she lost her phone or it got stolen or whatever so that way she could say that most of her calls to the nanny or from the nanny were on that phone, but surely she knows that LE could go to the alleged phone company of the alleged phone and from the number still get the records, right? I also saw where Bizarres spokesman made a statement when they ask him about the One Tree Hill episode search on the comp that there were no records like that at all, implying that LE was making that up. I will find the article, I am sure i read it on here, it was at the bottom of the article. Somehow I don't think LE made that up at all.

If LE didn't have Casey's phone records within 24 hours of the original report, I'll be surprised. (I'll be surprised if they don't have Donkey Casey's already too. AND Lee's.)

[mu8shark]

Just a comment about what NG said about the cop being rude when she said "Of course." and she justified it when she said they have a lot to put up with. I do not agree that it is okay for LE to be rude. I know they have to put up with plenty of jerks and asses and I get it when someone is being ridiculously abusive to them they might not be the paragon of polite, but when someone a private citizen is just trying to help, there is no justification for this. I almost always find myself defending the cops because I think they do their best but being outright rude for no reason as a LE officer is counterproductive and unacceptable when someone is just trying to give a tip or report a crime.

[SaraSidle]

ROFLMAO - Joining your club - my half chihuahua/fox terrier - same thing, lights on or she won't go outside. Must be something in the breed LOL. And she thinks she owns our king size bed - fluffy pillows and all. :eek:

oh they both sound so cute. my cat still hides under a big stuffed chair when there is a thunderstorm after 6 years. pets are so cool. sara

[javahog]

Great adjective!

You know, if it looked at all like she might be innocent, he's the first one who would speak for her. The local press brutalized him more than the national.

[One2Snoop]

yes, and i think that caysee knew that the parcel was owned by a gonzales; thus her little bit of truth in her lie. Thus her cryptic messages to lee that caylee was 'close' and places that were familiar to the family.


ita!

[SaraSidle]

Sure I am = allergic to dogs and cats and wheat and corn and beef and pork and.......

Gator

oh no gator. do you take shots or just over the counter meds?

[tv]

Great adjective!I know! It really stuck with me when he said that months ago.

[mu8shark]

If LE didn't have Casey's phone records within 24 hours of the original report, I'll be surprised. (I'll be surprised if they don't have Donkey Casey's already too. AND Lee's.)Gee if the private dick is legitimate and truthful why not just turn them over??? Also on NG the reporter said that the book seen in the video was not found at the scene. I could of sworn I saw that in an article that LE had confirmed it and in fact we all talked about it.

[SaraSidle]

ita!

ita plus it was her old playground and where she buried her pets. would not surprise me either. IMO

[tv]

You know, if it looked at all like she might be innocent, he's the first one who would speak for her. The local press brutalized him more than the national.
I agree and I remember the Elizabeth Smart family wasn't very nice to him. I really like him and always enjoy seeing him on.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just a comment about what NG said about the cop being rude when she said "Of course." and she justified it when she said they have a lot to put up with. I do not agree that it is okay for LE to be rude. I know they have to put up with plenty of jerks and asses and I get it when someone is being ridiculously abusive to them they might not be the paragon of polite, but when someone a private citizen is just trying to help, there is no justification for this. I almost always find myself defending the cops because I think they do their best but being outright rude for no reason as a LE officer is counterproductive and unacceptable when someone is just trying to give a tip or report a crime.

Agree. If we are to believe that training and experience allows LE to maintain composure under extreme duress, we need to believe that they can at least maintain a modicum of politeness and understanding when John Q. Public is doing his civic duty.

That said, I know a lot of cops, and many of them aren't particularly friendly, and I'll be damned if some prick wearing a badge would put me off my intent.

[mu8shark]

Hey Loretta: All good here-thanks for asking. Laid to rest and suffering over. We are all at a very good place as we should be. Great post from ya as per usual and yes Sara reminds us does she not? Struggle as we all do between anger and heart. Nature of this case aye? I agree it is a struggle between anger and heart. That is a pretty damned good description of it.

[SaraSidle]

Gee if the private dick is legitimate and truthful why not just turn them over??? Also on NG the reporter said that the book seen in the video was not found at the scene. I could of sworn I saw that in an article that LE had confirmed it and in fact we all talked about it.

I also heard the book was at the scene but with all the weather I wonder what shape it would be in. I do not understand why any of these people did not be aggressive about their findings since it was an internationally known case. Gale St John walked up to it. Kronk walked up to it 3 times in August. 2 Pis made a video in November. Cops were called and did not pursue it. Either God was there or there are some really stupid people. not only were thousands looking for this baby but there was a 225,000 reward which I have not heard anything about. So many people let Caylee down. IMO

[tv]

Just a comment about what NG said about the cop being rude when she said "Of course." and she justified it when she said they have a lot to put up with. I do not agree that it is okay for LE to be rude. I know they have to put up with plenty of jerks and asses and I get it when someone is being ridiculously abusive to them they might not be the paragon of polite, but when someone a private citizen is just trying to help, there is no justification for this. I almost always find myself defending the cops because I think they do their best but being outright rude for no reason as a LE officer is counterproductive and unacceptable when someone is just trying to give a tip or report a crime.As rude as NG is sometimes she probably doesn't see a cop being rude as a problem. I like watching her show but sometimes she's so rude without provocation that I feel embarrassed for her.

[One2Snoop]

and he said that so long ago!!!!! His hair was interesting on NG tonight. IMO

LOL, his hair was interesting? Was it a rug? I missed it! :eek: http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0189.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-rolleye-smileys.php) BTW, you know smoking is bad for you? :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Gee if the private dick is legitimate and truthful why not just turn them over??? Also on NG the reporter said that the book seen in the video was not found at the scene. I could of sworn I saw that in an article that LE had confirmed it and in fact we all talked about it.

There was a comment last night on either JVM or NG that LE is going to subpoena records anyway, as the company information will reveal much more than simply phone numbers. But D Casey, like so many others, has already set himself up to look like a liar, by virtue of the fact that he has changed his story about who he was talking to.

Natisha Lance did make a statement that it wasnt' or maybe wasn't THE book that was found at the scene of Caylee's remains. I'm not sure if she has just forgotten, or if the media mis-reported, or what.

[mu8shark]

Speaking of Lee's lawyer did anyone else see when they were asking him if it was Lee on the other side of the convo on Dom's cell? He seemed less than positive about his answer that it was not Lee, in fact he seemed kind of befuddled and noncommitmal which makes me wonder if they are going to find Lee's number on the PI's phone records that morning? Now he is asking for immunity. Does anyone else think there is probably a connection on this or I just reaching? What else could it be ? I mean what else could it be that he has done that could be misconstrued? Any thoughts?

[javahog]

ita plus it was her old playground and where she buried her pets. would not surprise me either. IMO

You know what's a really sick thought? If Caylee was placed in the backyard, say in the sandbox, for a while, the murderer was risking her being stumbled across by Cindy or George.

How sadistic would that person have to be for that?

[javahog]

LOL, his hair was interesting? Was it a rug? I missed it! :eek: http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0189.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-rolleye-smileys.php) BTW, you know smoking is bad for you? :seeya:

It was spikey like a troll doll. Lots-o-gel paid the ultimate price for that 'do.

[One2Snoop]

You know what's a really sick thought? If Caylee was placed in the backyard, say in the sandbox, for a while, the murderer was risking her being stumbled across by Cindy or George.

How sadistic would that person have to be for that?

She wasn't thinking at all IMO. Remember she was following a script. :read: LOL

[SaraSidle]

Agree. If we are to believe that training and experience allows LE to maintain composure under extreme duress, we need to believe that they can at least maintain a modicum of politeness and understanding when John Q. Public is doing his civic duty.

That said, I know a lot of cops, and many of them aren't particularly friendly, and I'll be damned if some prick wearing a badge would put me off my intent.

Of this I have no doubt and If I go missing you better be there. IMO

[mu8shark]

As rude as NG is sometimes she probably doesn't see a cop being rude as a problem. I like watching her show but sometimes she's so rude without provocation that I feel embarrassed for her. Now why didn't I think of that? LOL . Consider the source. I wonder if she is one of those people who pulls rank at restaurants like getting the best table and 'Do you know who I am?" I used to really like her and then somehow as soon as she had those babies she turned into a raging maniac some nights.

[One2Snoop]

It was spikey like a troll doll. Lots-o-gel paid the ultimate price for that 'do.

I need a visual! http://i42.tinypic.com/ne6kq1.gif

[tv]

and he said that so long ago!!!!! His hair was interesting on NG tonight. IMO
LOL, interesting is a good way to describe his hair tonight on NG. It just added to his "angry look" that he gets criticized for. Hopefully, we won't be seeing that hair style on him again. :punch:

[lorettalockhorn]

I need a visual! http://i42.tinypic.com/ne6kq1.gif

HAHAHAHA He's got Jane Velez-Mitchell's do!

[SaraSidle]

You know what's a really sick thought? If Caylee was placed in the backyard, say in the sandbox, for a while, the murderer was risking her being stumbled across by Cindy or George.

How sadistic would that person have to be for that?

I thought about that and it makes her more sociopathic in my mind than ever. she must have been desperate to hide that body in some way. IMO

[tv]

Now why didn't I think of that? LOL . Consider the source. I wonder if she is one of those people who pulls rank at restaurants like getting the best table and 'Do you know who I am?" I used to really like her and then somehow as soon as she had those babies she turned into a raging maniac some nights.I hadn't thought of that but you're right -- it started with the babies. I think the worst was jumping on that reporter for calling Casey by her first name...it was very awkward.

[SaraSidle]

Hide me... I know she isn't a victim. She's just Cindy's daughter. I blame Cindy only for being who she is. Casey is what she is as well. I guess I'm trying to understand something I really don't' want to know. Man's inhumanity to man has been referred to here many times and it is what it is. Not one part of me understands that and probably never will.

do remember danagher the videos and pictures of Caylee as a happy child. I do not know many 2 yr olds to sing "you are my sunshine" and ask their grandpa if he is tired. I believe that her well being was due to Cindy. IMO

[javahog]

Now why didn't I think of that? LOL . Consider the source. I wonder if she is one of those people who pulls rank at restaurants like getting the best table and 'Do you know who I am?" I used to really like her and then somehow as soon as she had those babies she turned into a raging maniac some nights.

How would you like to be HER nanny? :chicken:

[mu8shark]

You know what's a really sick thought? If Caylee was placed in the backyard, say in the sandbox, for a while, the murderer was risking her being stumbled across by Cindy or George.

How sadistic would that person have to be for that?And the Anthonys have dogs which I am sure they let out in the backyard.!! And for those of you who have dogs and you walk them, you know how they zero in on anything dead or food with their noses. Surely Casey thought of that because even if George or Cindy would not be scoping out the backyard the dogs would go crazy and George or Cindy might notice that.

[javahog]

HAHAHAHA He's got Jane Velez-Mitchell's do!

Oh my gosh!! She DOES have a mullet!

[One2Snoop]

Now why didn't I think of that? LOL . Consider the source. I wonder if she is one of those people who pulls rank at restaurants like getting the best table and 'Do you know who I am?" I used to really like her and then somehow as soon as she had those babies she turned into a raging maniac some nights.

I agree, its all in the hormones and I think thats why we all get along. http://i40.tinypic.com/25q7rqq.gif

[mu8shark]

I hadn't thought of that but you're right -- it started with the babies. I think the worst was jumping on that reporter for calling Casey by her first name...it was very awkward. That was just bizarre that she did that. Has that reporter been back? I noticed she only had a few lawyers on the show tonight. And when she was showing those baby pics with her husband in them, he was not smiling, he had a very sour expression on his face . I bet she is critical of him to the nth degree. LOL.

[SaraSidle]

Sara, I think that she was born that way.

wouldn't surprise me lhd. there are many sociopaths and serial killers that had a great upbringing. You know that was going to be my doctorate had I had the money to get one. I got as far as criminal justice and msw. would love to investigate and help find the answers. sara

[tv]

HAHAHAHA He's got Jane Velez-Mitchell's do!

Speaking of JVM, she's been wearing some version of that do since the Laci Peterson disappearance -- it's never done her any favors! Time for a change!

[SaraSidle]

That was just bizarre that she did that. Has that reporter been back? I noticed she only had a few lawyers on the show tonight. And when she was showing those baby pics with her husband in them, he was not smiling, he had a very sour expression on his face . I bet she is critical of him to the nth degree. LOL.

and that reporter is a big wig in Orlando. I cannot still believe NG did that.

[One2Snoop]

Oh my gosh!! She DOES have a mullet!

Seriously? http://i42.tinypic.com/29z678h.gif I don't even watch her program and just posted that as a joke... now I have to see - link please.

[SaraSidle]

My husband swears by nyquil too. I can't take it. I wake up in 3 hours and can't go back to sleep. :o

that is wierd. I do the same thing. I do not even bother now. benadryl capsules work for me

[One2Snoop]

That was just bizarre that she did that. Has that reporter been back? I noticed she only had a few lawyers on the show tonight. And when she was showing those baby pics with her husband in them, he was not smiling, he had a very sour expression on his face . I bet she is critical of him to the nth degree. LOL.

LOL, Who was that reporter? I just remember the stunned looked on her face, asking, WTF? :confused:

[mu8shark]

Oh my gosh!! She DOES have a mullet! She does doesn't she? LMAO. She has kind of a mullet personality., She seems like a nice woman and all and she is a good reporter but dare I say some nights she is flaky. Arrgh which reminds me Janie Weintraub said again tonight that the police should be beyond the investigative stage! I tried to call but could not get in. One night I will get in and challenge Janies dumb remark. I wrote JVM and ask her to challenge Janie W constantly saying 'now is not the time for investigation because they have already charged her,' but I guess it did not work.! LOL.

[tv]

That was just bizarre that she did that. Has that reporter been back? I noticed she only had a few lawyers on the show tonight. And when she was showing those baby pics with her husband in them, he was not smiling, he had a very sour expression on his face . I bet she is critical of him to the nth degree. LOL.Wasn't that Jennifer D'onofrio? (sp) She's always so nice and soft-spoken there was no reason to do that to her. Also, poor Natisha Lance. The husband -- we probably don't even want to know what he goes through.

[SaraSidle]

I agree, its all in the hormones and I think thats why we all get along. http://i40.tinypic.com/25q7rqq.gif

but wait I only have cats..........but I am tired of hot flashes

[SaraSidle]

Wasn't that Jennifer D'onofrio? (sp) She's always so nice and soft-spoken there was no reason to do that to her. Also, poor Natisha Lance.

yes it was her and she gives a lot of factual information to NG which makes it wierder.

[mu8shark]

LOL, Who was that reporter? I just remember the stunned looked on her face, asking, WTF? :confused:Her first name is Jessica I know that, but I forget her last name and NG would do well not to offend her too much because she has lots of inside scoop.

[SaraSidle]

She does doesn't she? LMAO. She has kind of a mullet personality., She seems like a nice woman and all and she is a good reporter but dare I say some nights she is flaky. Arrgh which reminds me Janie Weintraub said again tonight that the police should be beyond the investigative stage! I tried to call but could not get in. One night I will get in and challenge Janies dumb remark. I wrote JVM and ask her to challenge Janie W constantly saying 'now is not the time for investigation because they have already charged her,' but I guess it did not work.! LOL.

when you do that mu please find out who got the 225.000 reward for me. I have given up on finding out

[One2Snoop]

that is wierd. I do the same thing. I do not even bother now. benadryl capsules work for me

I knew we had something in common! :eek: Can't take the liquid either and half a benadryl tablet works wonders. http://i42.tinypic.com/2upzrle.gif

[SaraSidle]

I didn't catch that part of NG but Poppa did, and told me Lee was asking for immunity and I thought about why. I couldn't come up with anything other than his smoke and mirrors conversation with Casey at the jail when she was first arrested. It appeared as if he was trying to help her somehow. And yet and yet, he may have been trying to find Caylee. On th eother hand, he may have known she was dead and wanted to hide her. That's not good.

you know Danagher I had the same thought. but remember when she was in house arrest? she could have talked to Lee then. just a thought. IMO

[One2Snoop]

but wait I only have cats..........but I am tired of hot flashes


I have a male cat and a female dog grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - both fixed thank god and believe me they have their moments LOL!

[SaraSidle]

I knew we had something in common! :eek: Can't take the liquid either and half a benadryl tablet works wonders. http://i42.tinypic.com/2upzrle.gif

I am more hardcore. i must do one capsule not half. although getting them out of the package ususally amounts to half the way they fall apart. LOL

[lorettalockhorn]

Seriously? http://i42.tinypic.com/29z678h.gif I don't even watch her program and just posted that as a joke... now I have to see - link please.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/velez-mitchell.jane.html

[SaraSidle]

I have a male cat and a female dog grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - both fixed thank god and believe me they have their moments LOL!

well I am sure they have great personalities all things considering. still better than 2 female cats and hot flashes. IMO LOL:tongue:

[mu8shark]

I am just waiting for the night when she gets another hormonal woman on there who tells NG to take a flying leap through a rolling donut! LOL. What a spectacle that would be!

[javahog]

Seriously? http://i42.tinypic.com/29z678h.gif I don't even watch her program and just posted that as a joke... now I have to see - link please.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/velez-mitchell.jane.html

[One2Snoop]

And the Anthonys have dogs which I am sure they let out in the backyard.!! And for those of you who have dogs and you walk them, you know how they zero in on anything dead or food with their noses. Surely Casey thought of that because even if George or Cindy would not be scoping out the backyard the dogs would go crazy and George or Cindy might notice that.

:eek: OMG Good thought mu8 - I wonder if their dog(s) scatched and dug any of the areas that were eventually searched in the backyard. Do the A's have one or two dogs, can't remember?

[mu8shark]

I am more hardcore. i must do one capsule not half. although getting them out of the package ususally amounts to half the way they fall apart. LOL I have the same problem with those capsules, try the caplets they are great and easy to split too, no mess.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been mulling over the same thoughts Mu. Was waiting to hear way back when Lee's lawyer stated some charges may come and then it got quiet. It just gets crazier as time passes. We will probably never witness anything like this ever changing case. At least i pray we never do. I just wish Cindy would put the focus on little Caylee. If she wants to support the Liar-knock yourself out-privately. I wish she would just step up to the plate as a Grandma and a human being. Tell us about Caylee-who she was-what she liked to do and her experiences with that lovely child. I think she could redeem herself. However i guess what we see is truly who she is-a woman who truly has some issues that need immediate addressing. MOO:rose:

Well said.

As for Lee's attorney; he doesn't seem to be much of a public speaker. Lawsy the other night he was backpedaling like crazy over seeing the video. And then, there was the night that he stuck both feet in his mouth and called Caylee Lee's daughter instead of niece. I thought the stock and trade of being a practicing attorney was communication. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

That was just bizarre that she did that. Has that reporter been back? I noticed she only had a few lawyers on the show tonight. And when she was showing those baby pics with her husband in them, he was not smiling, he had a very sour expression on his face . I bet she is critical of him to the nth degree. LOL.

Had to laugh tonight when she was trying to wrap up the Anthony coverage and move on to the story of Adji, the little lost boy, and apologized for cutting everyone off.

Prayers to that little one and his family.

[lorettalockhorn]

Better than pms 24-7?

Goodnight pals... snow coming tomorrow. The markets are empty. Tender footed New Englanders.. sheesh!

Sweetie Pie dreams!

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[mu8shark]

:eek: OMG Good thought mu8 - I wonder if their dog(s) scatched and dug any of the areas that were eventually searched in the backyard. Do the A's have one or two dogs, can't remember? They have two yorkies I believe which are not known for their noses at all but even yorkies would sniff out a dead body and dig or paw at the area in my opinion. I kind of think Casey did not suceed in hiding Caylee back there at all. I think she tried on the afternoon of the 18th with the shovel and just said aw screw it this will never work, it is too obvious and it is too hard to dig. If the police think she was killed on the 16th then the baby almost had to be in the trunk a full two days til the 18th to smell like that. There would not be a strong lasting smell if the trunk had only been used to transport the body for less than a mile to the final dump spot., Dump spot, that is a helluva thing to have to say about where a darling innocent little girl ended up, isn't it?

[mu8shark]

Sweetie Pie dreams!

http://i40.tinypic.com/30x8z6x.jpg Nite nitety to you too.

[lorettalockhorn]

Night :seeya: off to go catch N.G. Have a good one all

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[javahog]

Night :seeya: off to go catch N.G. Have a good one all

Me go bye-bye, too!:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Just look at the brothers Steven Stayner and Cary Stayner. Steven got the worst possible hand and made the good choice when he could save little Timmy, but his brother who had it "good" became a spree killer. We all make a choice at some point...

that whole story spooks the heck out of me. and in the long run I am not sure how good steven really was. we hardly got to know him. but Cary was such a sociopath.

[mu8shark]

Well said.

As for Lee's attorney; he doesn't seem to be much of a public speaker. Lawsy the other night he was backpedaling like crazy over seeing the video. And then, there was the night that he stuck both feet in his mouth and called Caylee Lee's daughter instead of niece. I thought the stock and trade of being a practicing attorney was communication. :rolleyes: I've been thinking about the word misconstrued and that statement that something Lee did could be misconstrued and I think I can think of something. Maybe it was Lee who led the PI to the body dump site but he does not want LE to think he actually KNEW the body was there, maybe it was just his idea of a good place to look because he knows his sister and her hangouts so well and where she would put a body.,Maybe as a child or teenager she not only buried pets there but stashed stuff there and he just told the PI to check that area really well and he does wants immunity because he is afraid LE might think he dumped the body or had inside knowledge when all it was , was a good guess. Or maybe he really knew, knew because Casey told him and he wants to pass it off as just a good old hunch on his part. It would be much better for Lee if he said it was a guestimate and not actual knowledge and this is where the misconstrue comes in..

[lorettalockhorn]

Nite nitety to you too.

Me go bye-bye, too!:seeya:

http://i37.tinypic.com/21delc0.jpg

[One2Snoop]

Better than pms 24-7?

Goodnight pals... snow coming tomorrow. The markets are empty. Tender footed New Englanders.. sheesh!

I feel for you Danagher - still have the 24/7 PMS and as far as the weather - been there done that most of my lifetime (Midwest/East coast) and never again. I live in "Pleasantville" now http://i42.tinypic.com/2mg9pcn.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2d0cqo5.gif what more can I ask for? Wait, now what did I do with my script? http://i39.tinypic.com/11sjr6g.gif

[lorettalockhorn]

I've been thinking about the word misconstrued and that statement that something Lee did could be misconstrued and I think I can think of something. Maybe it was Lee who led the PI to the body dump site but he does not want LE to think he actually KNEW the body was there, maybe it was just his idea of a good place to look because he knows his sister and her hangouts so well and where she would put a body.,Maybe as a child or teenager she not only buried pets there but stashed stuff there and he just told the PI to check that area really well and he does wants immunity because he is afraid LE might think he dumped the body or had inside knowledge when all it was , was a good guess. Or maybe he really knew, knew because Casey told him and he wants to pass it off as just a good old hunch on his part. It would be much better for Lee if he said it was a guestimate and not actual knowledge and this is where the misconstrue comes in..

Good noodling, there. But couldn't Lee have just stressed (honestly) to LE that Kiomarie might really be on to something? You know, LP mentioned the notebooks that Lee was always schlepping around when he was investigating, and that he had advised Nick Savage to get ahold of them. I wonder if there is something in his notes that could have been taken out of context, or maybe Lee had actually been to The Aone himself at one time.

[SaraSidle]

LOL, his hair was interesting? Was it a rug? I missed it! :eek: http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0189.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-rolleye-smileys.php) BTW, you know smoking is bad for you? :seeya:

of course I do and I know I am not the only smoking poster. I will quit when my life is more together I swear. Mark looked his usual but had lot of gel into it to spike it all over. A new look. maybe a red convertible next?:seeya:

[sharlock]

You've asked the good questions here and elsewhere. :beer:

I really think that if Kronk had drawn KB a diagram(literally or figuratively), she would have gone out there with or without him. I'm not sure that we've ever heard or seen transcripts from the 911 calls that weren't redacted. Of course it still honks me off that one of the operators that he talked to didn't seem to catch onto where the heck Hidden Oaks School was. I do think he was up against a very lackadaisical system of dispatchers.
We don't really know how much more detail (unless it is in the new doc dump that I haven't read yet) was given seeing as they didn't release the whole call and in the first call you could tell he was a bit nervous about wasting their time and taxpayers money so I don't think he felt overall that confident he maybe just had a strong gut reaction and was tenacious enough to keep looking.

[sharlock]

Zanaida once lived in that house? How would Casey have found out so much information on this woman? I'm still trying to figure out how she knew what kind of care she drove!
She saw her at Sawgrass apt as she was staying just across the road and looking for a flat for Tony at the time imo.

[mu8shark]

Good noodling, there. But couldn't Lee have just stressed (honestly) to LE that Kiomarie might really be on to something? You know, LP mentioned the notebooks that Lee was always schlepping around when he was investigating, and that he had advised Nick Savage to get ahold of them. I wonder if there is something in his notes that could have been taken out of context, or maybe Lee had actually been to The Aone himself at one time.
He absolutely could of come forward and told LE that Kiomarie brought up an excellent possibility but he didn't and now he wants to get on the immunity bus because they might find his number on the PI's phone. It is probably too late for him to say Oh yeah about that tip Kiomarie provided you..... Also I thought about the fact that maybe the PI went there because of another tip and told Lee he was going and the PI called Lee that morning when he was there and said it should be right here and Lee knows his number will show up on dear old Dom's bill. You know what, I know this may sound crazy but I am so suspicious of the Anthonys and their PI that if he had found the body that day, I am not sure they would not have tampered with evidence, I know, I know I sound paranoid but I have some trust issues with the Ants and their employees. It is probably a good thing that they did not find the body.

[SaraSidle]

I am just waiting for the night when she gets another hormonal woman on there who tells NG to take a flying leap through a rolling donut! LOL. What a spectacle that would be!

oh mu tell the truth you want it to be you. aaahhh I am looking at Mark again. why the heck did he do that?

[mu8shark]

She saw her at Sawgrass apt as she was staying just across the road and looking for a flat for Tony at the time imo.My cousins theory is that Casey went looking for an apartment the same day that zenaida did because she knew Cindy was going to kick her out or she wanted to move out because she was furious at Cindy and that Casey went in and saw the card while Zenaida was being shown the apartment and the card was laying out on the desk.

[SaraSidle]

I feel for you Danagher - still have the 24/7 PMS and as far as the weather - been there done that most of my lifetime (Midwest/East coast) and never again. I live in "Pleasantville" now http://i42.tinypic.com/2mg9pcn.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/2d0cqo5.gif what more can I ask for? Wait, now what did I do with my script? http://i39.tinypic.com/11sjr6g.gif

I am so jealous. DH will not move. his whole family except one sister is here. I have a brother in Detroit and that is it. I want to moooooooove. 10 below on windchill which makes it real hard to smoke. :cuss::cuss:.

[mu8shark]

oh mu tell the truth you want it to be you. aaahhh I am looking at Mark again. why the heck did he do that?LOL the person I would really love to tell off is Janie Weintraub. I was thinking about how Janie rolls her eyes when other people talk and she does not agree with them and in the Menendez trial Leslie Abrahamson got reprimanded for doing it in court. I bet Janie does it too when witnesses she does not like do that. Oh and speaking of court, when Henry Lee , resident media w h o r e goes into court on this case, I bet the prosecution will ask him about when the judge raked him over the coals in the Spector case for getting rid of or tampering with evidence. If I were Baez I would consider not using Henry because that will probably come in. When you present credentials and tout someones knowledge and notarieity ie how many cases they have testfied in, the prosecution has an absolute right to impeach them with stuff like that.

[SaraSidle]

My cousins theory is that Casey went looking for an apartment the same day that zenaida did because she knew Cindy was going to kick her out or she wanted to move out because she was furious at Cindy and that Casey went in and saw the card while Zenaida was being shown the apartment and the card was laying out on the desk.

that makes a lot more sense to me MU than any other bizarre theory althought there are a lot of other possiblities out there they seem farfetched. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

LOL the person I would really love to tell off is Janie Weintraub. I was thinking about how Janie rolls her eyes when other people talk and she does not agree with them and in the Menendez trial LE got reprimanded for doing it in court. I bet Janie does it too when witnesses she does not like do that. Oh and speaking of court, when Henry Lee , resident media w h o r e goes into court on this case, I bet the prosecution will ask him about when the judge raked him over the coals in the Spector case for getting rid of or tampering with evidence. If I were Baez I would consider not using Henry because that will probably come in. When you present credentials and tout someones knowledge and notarieity ie how many cases they have testfied in, the prosecution has an absolute right to impeach them with stuff like that.

Personally he blew it for me in the JonBenet case. And he still shows his color's on NG show. Very secretive, not helpful and not doing a whole lot for the case except appearing for the defense, he did not even come to Orlando for the defense autopsy from what I can tell. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Holy S**T, 2 HOURS I'm gone, and you guys posted up, like, 48 pages already!!! there were so many posts I wanted to add to, but now my head is spinning ! Good Posts!http://blogoehlert.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mythoughts.gif
(someday someone will teach me how to do the pic, instead of the link!)
Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Sara, hope you're still on, I found a great article in December's Newsweek on that subject (nature vs nurture). Written by Sharon Begley, it's called When DNA is not Destiny. I haven't had a chance to research anything more of her writings on this, but many on this thread would be interested in this article also. I have to remember to PM Joseph Bell ~ I think he'll also find it an interesting read. I will try to find a link.........a piece of it: [B]Experiences can silence genes or activate them Even shyness is like silly putty once life gets hold of it.[B]

Loretta, I take what you said as a compliment, :rose: and no, I'm not That old, but life experiences ARE what makes us, and mu8 has the best saying at the bottom of her posts about being broken and being stronger. I love that saying, it's all too true. By the way, Loretta, just wanted to remind you that today is FRIDAY, and YOU know my little green man and I have a date that won't wait.......make up your damn mind woman ~ it's either Gumby, the man with the bald head, or Joshua who has a bald head like Gumby. LOL LOL

BTW, while you're all popping benadryl or nyquil, I had to take a vicodin 'cause my back is killing me.........don't be surprised if I fall asleep mid post! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Danager, glad you're back :seeya:, One2 you have a great sense of humor ~ never stop, Java, please don't cut your hair like Jane VM :eek:, Beem, good to see ya :seeya: Has anyone heard from Wind? Where is she?

Last thought.......

Just wanted you all to know, I think you're all a bunch of sick tickets, and I love it! Hagnog's on me!!!! :beer:

what a sweetie you are. glad you have vicodin. my dh and I have the worst backaches from shoveling. have a good rest and I hope your back is better tomorrow. my main thought was to get off grandma and back on the case. that is all. if cindy is guilty of conspiracy......different story. but for now none of us really know and can only guess. not fair. glad you are back. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

My cousins theory is that Casey went looking for an apartment the same day that zenaida did because she knew Cindy was going to kick her out or she wanted to move out because she was furious at Cindy and that Casey went in and saw the card while Zenaida was being shown the apartment and the card was laying out on the desk.

I wondered about that, but I read a post somewhere or heard a talking head say that Casey's picture was shown to the apartment complex representative(s) (along with ZG's) and apparently Casey hadn't been at the open house or whatever you call it.

[sharlock]

Just thinking here. A private funeral is that--private, only those "invited" by the family to attend, and each and every person not invited should abide by Cindy's (and George or Lee or Casey if they get a say) wishes on this.

HOWEVER, a PUBLIC memorial is just that--PUBLIC. Seems that it is hard to determine who can or can't go and have it be PUBLIC. If there are restrictions on some people attending, then it becomes PRIVATE--and by invite only. I would think that the A's would not attend the PUBLIC memorial anyway--they would have already had their services, let the PUBLIC honor Caylee in their own way. Without having to worry about a dramatic episode from a bereaved family member who thinks that they have control over WHO should mourn Caylee.

Any hystrionics from family or other mourners would take the focus off Caylee, and the memorial in her honor should focus only on her, and not others. IMO
I have always been cautious of criticizing Cindy because of the strain she must be under but this is pathetic. Why when your sweet grandchild is left sitting in a box at a funeral home would you even be concerning yourself with who came to a PUBLIC memorial for Caylee. Seems to me she is only giving those she doesn't like more popularity by doing this and making herself look callous and controlling!:shrug:

[mu8shark]

I wondered about that, but I read a post somewhere or heard a talking head say that Casey's picture was shown to the apartment complex representative(s) (along with ZG's) and apparently Casey hadn't been at the open house or whatever you call it.Was there some sort of group event like an open house that day? Hmm well I think a mont later it might be possible for the apartment people not to remember her or recognize her I suppose or maybe nobody was in the office when she came through the door in which case nobody would remember seeing her.

[One2Snoop]

I am jealous due to severe drug allergies i can take next to nothing. Allergy tabs i can take and one being Benadryl but then i stare at the ceiling or get up and do alot of housework. Or as you know Sara i yell for Dr. House when I hit emerg. in anaphalactic HA!!!!:D Oh lordy


Oui, another House lover? We need to start a thread somewhere else and discuss this maniac LOL. Previews looked even more bizarre than last season, although I said that last year before the new season started. :tongue:
Club lounge might be a good place to discuss this or we can start a "House" thread right here in the Anthony forum if you like?
BTW I was dx'd as severe asthmatic approx 10 years ago, which turned out to be allergy induced, smoke, pollution etc... I did the inhalers (albuterol) and also used advair at my dr's urging which caused me to have severe headaches.
I used to be a long distance runner and had to stop that years ago due to the asthma - that absolutely sucked to me big time. My biggest accomplishment this past year was completing the San Fransisco Half Marathon - I walked most of it and made it in 3 hours 15 minutes. Expected time was 3 hours. For someone whose not been able to run in over 10 years (those first few years after being diagnosed I pushed myself) I thought that was pretty darn good considering I walked most of it, although I ached unmercifully for the next week.

This years marathon (2009) - LOL - I'll be happy if I do a repeat of this past year. :beer::patriot: I guess my point is, never give up - even if you have to do it slower than everyone else - at least you're doing it!

Past my bedtime - night all. :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

I just wanted to add before I go to sleep that it is a pleasure posting with you all where there is no bad feelings and we can have disagreeing opinions and still have the same goal. you are all so professional and caring. justice for Caylee!!!!!!!!!:rose::rose::rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Holy S**T, 2 HOURS I'm gone, and you guys posted up, like, 48 pages already!!! there were so many posts I wanted to add to, but now my head is spinning ! Good Posts!http://blogoehlert.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/mythoughts.gif
(someday someone will teach me how to do the pic, instead of the link!)
Hmmmmmmmmmm?

Sara, hope you're still on, I found a great article in December's Newsweek on that subject (nature vs nurture). Written by Sharon Begley, it's called When DNA is not Destiny. I haven't had a chance to research anything more of her writings on this, but many on this thread would be interested in this article also. I have to remember to PM Joseph Bell ~ I think he'll also find it an interesting read. I will try to find a link.........a piece of it: [B]Experiences can silence genes or activate them Even shyness is like silly putty once life gets hold of it.[B]

Loretta, I take what you said as a compliment, :rose: and no, I'm not That old, but life experiences ARE what makes us, and mu8 has the best saying at the bottom of her posts about being broken and being stronger. I love that saying, it's all too true. By the way, Loretta, just wanted to remind you that today is FRIDAY, and YOU know my little green man and I have a date that won't wait.......make up your damn mind woman ~ it's either Gumby, the man with the bald head, or Joshua who has a bald head like Gumby. LOL LOL

BTW, while you're all popping benadryl or nyquil, I had to take a vicodin 'cause my back is killing me.........don't be surprised if I fall asleep mid post! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Danager, glad you're back :seeya:, One2 you have a great sense of humor ~ never stop, Java, please don't cut your hair like Jane VM :eek:, Beem, good to see ya :seeya: Has anyone heard from Wind? Where is she? Sharlock! Hello lady!

Last thought.......

Just wanted you all to know, I think you're all a bunch of sick tickets, and I love it! Hagnog's on me!!!! :beer:

OSoul, I can never remember which formats will post here, so I usually just search at tinypic.com and use their code, or search google images and upload at tinypic to use here.

I don't know if I've wisely learned from all my experiences, but I did graduate from The School of Hard Knocks. (Of course I created most of those hard knocks myself. LMAO)

[mu8shark]

I have always been cautious of criticizing Cindy because of the strain she must be under but this is pathetic. Why when your sweet grandchild is left sitting in a box at a funeral home would you even be concerning yourself with who came to a PUBLIC memorial for Caylee. Seems to me she is only giving those she doesn't like more popularity by doing this and making herself look callous and controlling!:shrug: A funeral is no time to be paying people back for your imagined slights. It is just kind of petty that she throws that out at people who don't agree with her or who don't back her Casey is innocent story. Like take that I am punishing you or getting revenge by not letting you come to the funeral or memorial. It is indeed pathetic.

[One2Snoop]

I just wanted to add before I go to sleep that it is a pleasure posting with you all where there is no bad feelings and we can have disagreeing opinions and still have the same goal. you are all so professional and caring. justice for Caylee!!!!!!!!!:rose::rose::rose:

I agree SS - goodnight to you. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Oui, another House lover? We need to start a thread somewhere else and discuss this maniac LOL. Previews looked even more bizarre than last season, although I said that last year before the new season started. :tongue:
Club lounge might be a good place to discuss this or we can start a "House" thread right here in the Anthony forum if you like?
BTW I was dx'd as severe asthmatic approx 10 years ago, which turned out to be allergy induced, smoke, pollution etc... I did the inhalers (albuterol) and also used advair at my dr's urging which caused me to have severe headaches.
I used to be a long distance runner and had to stop that years ago due to the asthma - that absolutely sucked to me big time. My biggest accomplishment this past year was completing the San Fransisco Half Marathon - I walked most of it and made it in 3 hours 15 minutes. Expected time was 3 hours. For someone whose not been able to run in over 10 years (those first few years after being diagnosed I pushed myself) I thought that was pretty darn good considering I walked most of it, although I ached unmercifully for the next week.

This years marathon (2009) - LOL - I'll be happy if I do a repeat of this past year. :beer::patriot: I guess my point is, never give up - even if you have to do it slower than everyone else - at least you're doing it!

Past my bedtime - night all. :seeya:

Congratulations on the marathon! Keep up the good work. :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Congratulations on the marathon! Keep up the good work. :seeya:

Night O2S and I am awfully proud of you. I would never make it. you rule. sara

[One2Snoop]

Night O2S and I am awfully proud of you. I would never make it. you rule. sara

No kidding?! I admire anyone who has the determination to do marathons :beer: ! Pretty darn Good is too tame ~ don't worry, we'll toot your horn for you! :beer:
It was my first ever and I have to admit it took a lot out of me (physically) to do the marathon this last year - long story and don't want to go to off topic, but bottom line is I don't regret doing it and if my health permits, I'll do it again this year. :beer:

In Memory of my sister-in-law Pam - (Nov. 26, 1956 - April 4, 2008) Marathon Extraordinaire :patriot:

[sharlock]

Peter responded in an e-mail, saying, "I would not want my granddaughter around a person that condones her daughter killing her own child. At least I know where mine is."

ooohhh sweet bust! I'm liking the neighbor :beer:
I have a child and if this was his situation, I'd like to think that I could pull my head out of my azzz and see the facts as the facts.
I am not responding to the email message itself here but the person who wrote it.
I can't stand Louis Peters. She has simply put her grandchild in the spotlight, even though it would seem to be detrimental to her health as she supposedly had a nervous breakdown when Caylees hair was found in the trunk, just to get herself in the spotlight. She sits over there on Murts site lying her beehind off and even though she publicly denounced Cindy and George she sent emails trying to get herself and Dakota invited to the private funeral. This email was in response to that request being refused. I am shocked that the media released this story without checking this woman out. What she is doing to this child is tantamount to child abuse imo.

[applesandorange]

Sara.............I posted quite a bit on here recently on how tormented it must feel to be Cindy Anthony. My sympathies were with them the whole while, as I put myself in Cindy's position, and could not fathom everything Casey has done. That includes before June and since.

The line has been crossed. Caylee has been found dead by someone else's hand. At some point in her/our grief, we have to acknowledge the truth and allow Caylee's Memory and Light to shine. That is what a memorial is for. laci Peterson's memorial comes to mind ~ It was beautiful and honored her life, though short.

Loretta, your post was right on re: Cindy's fragile mental Health. The woman is obviously unstable, and while my heart hurts for them all, I cannot condone her actions any longer. That is not dissing or bashing~ you are right, my Gumby woman.

deputydi.... you probably would behave with 'more dignity', as many of us would try to do ~ you are a kind, giving person by all accounts, and that's my point. Cindy is not just griefstricken and in denial..she is unbalanced, and always has been.

Gator....you have been there to see things firsthand, meeting up with Cindy. Your posting has given us so much, because of your opinions, and being there giving us information. I still remember how upset you were upon that day..reaching out of the goodness of your heart and practically having your hand slapped away.

Caylee's memorial should have bells ringing and people singing and love and light for a child who's life has touched this world in a way that we may not even understand till later in our lives.

Cindy Anthony has no right to take that away from her too ~ as her daughter Casey took Caylee's life ~ out of selfishness.

:rose:
:beer: Haterade for all !


Very well said. I couldn't agree more.

[applesandorange]

Sara, I'm not going to disagree with your opinion you are right on many points. The only thing I can say is most of their problems were self-created, and I'm not talking about the Liar or the loss of their granddaughter. Cindy has attacked those who wanted to look for Caylee's body. The only thing she was consistent about was lying. She tried to confuse the police and hide evidence. I also wouldn't assume that they are broke. If anyone should be investigated for making secret deals or licensing fees for photos it's the Anthonys. Now, I have defended her because I can't imagine the hell they are in but I also know that they have made it worse for themselves and have lashed out at those who really wanted to find Caylee. Cindy goes after anyone who does not support her in her lies or bad behavior. She has yet to come out and thank all the people who traveled and spent their own money during the searches. I feel sorry for their situation, but it could have been easier on them. My goodness, even Tim Miller had to be hospitalized from the stress put on him by the Anthonys.

Gator

Gator you are right on all counts. Great post!

[eatcupcakes]

Now why didn't I think of that? LOL . Consider the source. I wonder if she is one of those people who pulls rank at restaurants like getting the best table and 'Do you know who I am?" I used to really like her and then somehow as soon as she had those babies she turned into a raging maniac some nights.


Nancy has always been rude. It's not just since she had the twins. When she had a show on Court TV she was the same way. I have been watching her for 5 years. Her style is intimadation. I do not like her and only can watch her show for about 7 minutes. However, that is all you need to watch because everything her show is about is talked about in 7 minutes and then its just review and repeat. Her show should only be a 1/2 hour in my opinion or not one at all. The only time she gets mellow is when she is talking about the twins. They are her soft spot.:D

[eatcupcakes]

:beer:Isn't that so true. Being that Casey is a sociopathic I think the question of the ages is was she raised or born that way? regardless with the coldness of murdering her daughter for vengeance or whatever reasoning and all the lies to confuse and throw people off I belive she is guilty of 1st degree and deserves the punishment she gets. IMO sara

:beer: Don't feel any symphany for her what so ever, only for that poor little girl.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am not responding to the email message itself here but the person who wrote it.
I can't stand Louis Peters. She has simply put her grandchild in the spotlight, even though it would seem to be detrimental to her health as she supposedly had a nervous breakdown when Caylees hair was found in the trunk, just to get herself in the spotlight. She sits over there on Murts site lying her beehind off and even though she publicly denounced Cindy and George she sent emails trying to get herself and Dakota invited to the private funeral. This email was in response to that request being refused. I am shocked that the media released this story without checking this woman out. What she is doing to this child is tantamount to child abuse imo.

Agree. Lois is toxic filth. So sad that when you look at Dakota's modeling profile; she (or whoever wrote her bio) comments that she doesn't understand why she hasn't been picked up. The answer is most likely because of her grandmother. & Exposing Dakota to Murt is one of the worst things that Lois has done to her.

[applesandorange]

Agree. Lois is toxic filth. So sad that when you look at Dakota's modeling profile; she (or whoever wrote her bio) comments that she doesn't understand why she hasn't been picked up. The answer is most likely because of her grandmother. & Exposing Dakota to Murt is one of the worst things that Lois has done to her.


I agree to agree lol. When I heard that Lois actually had Murt spend the night and went to bed and Murt video taped Dakota while Lois slept I couldn't belive it. Here are these people who are in the know of Caylee's disappearance yet she lets a man she barely knows be alone with her grandchild. UNBELIEVABLE!! He could have been a pedophile or anything. This lady is as whacked out as Cindy.

[sharlock]

Agree. Lois is toxic filth. So sad that when you look at Dakota's modeling profile; she (or whoever wrote her bio) comments that she doesn't understand why she hasn't been picked up. The answer is most likely because of her grandmother. & Exposing Dakota to Murt is one of the worst things that Lois has done to her.
Didn't she accept a lift from Murt after the Blanchard Park Rally lol! and then let him stay the night. Posters say that she left Dakota with Murt and went to bed and he let Dakota go online and sing on the internet. Look I am not saying that Murt would hurt her but hell; she didn't know this man except through the internet. I think that was the first time she had ever met him:shrug:
ETA;sorry A@O I didn't see your post where you already said this.

[sharlock]

You are right. She was a very bright and beautiful little one. Sometimes the voice of the heart (such as yours and Old Soul's) gets me back on track. So much negativity isn't good, it's just so darn sad. I'd like to think Cindy was a good grandmother. I guess the dysfunction in the family was part of the problem but I wish the baby didn't have to die. I have to dig around for sympathy when it comes to either Cindy or Casey Anthony. I suppose it's in there and I should nurture it. There are times here, when I have to remember to put a little God in my soup.

:rose: For the Anthonys.
Beautifully said you guys!
I still don't understand why they haven't organised even the public memorial yet. It has been too long since she was found for no one to have had a memorial at least to honour little Caylee's passing.:rose:

[sharlock]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??

[applesandorange]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??


Could be but IMO it was the bedding that was found with the body that linked them to the A's house to begin with. Maybe totally different bedding sets?

[javahog]

Another frigid snowy day in New England. May all you warm climate posters enjoy the sweater weather and send warmth our way. I dream of a condo on Highland Beach, Florida. I dream of ocean views and lemonade. I dream of flowers along the walkways of Tarpon Springs and the green grass of Georgia. I dream of the Blue Ridge Mountains scenes, grazing cows, lemon trees, seagulls dropping clams on the breakwater, cozy screen rooms by the pool, little umbrella thingies in my tall glass of Gin and tonic, lounge chairs in the baby powderey sands of shores far from here... Sorry, I dream a lot.

:mad: Damn snow all over my car again and down the sloping driveway... Brrr.

Its going to be a beautiful day here in the SF Bay, but they won't let us enjoy it.

drought!:chicken:drought!:chicken:drought!:chicken :

Killjoys.

[javahog]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??

I'm continually amazed there was anything left to find after the first warrant. You'd think LE would have taken all that stuff just in case, and they kept having to come back. One of the first things I would think of would be a missing child's bedding. I mean, what if some perp had come into the bedroom or something ala Polly Klaas. I know mommy was telling tales and everything, but you would think they would write off everything she said and go from scratch on what happened...

[FDInLaw]

You are right. She was a very bright and beautiful little one. Sometimes the voice of the heart (such as yours and Old Soul's) gets me back on track. So much negativity isn't good, it's just so darn sad. I'd like to think Cindy was a good grandmother. I guess the dysfunction in the family was part of the problem but I wish the baby didn't have to die. I have to dig around for sympathy when it comes to either Cindy or Casey Anthony. I suppose it's in there and I should nurture it. There are times here, when I have to remember to put a little God in my soup.

:rose: For the Anthonys.Well said.

[FDInLaw]

I'm continually amazed there was anything left to find after the first warrant. You'd think LE would have taken all that stuff just in case, and they kept having to come back. One of the first things I would think of would be a missing child's bedding. I mean, what if some perp had come into the bedroom or something ala Polly Klaas. I know mommy was telling tales and everything, but you would think they would write off everything she said and go from scratch on what happened...It will be interesting to know what exactly was found with Caylee's remains and why a new search warrant was issued. Guess LE did not know what all might be of interest initially, which makes sense to me.

A body changes everything.

[lorettalockhorn]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??

Cindy seems manic in that video. :eek: You do have to wonder why LE didn't want some of those items she spoke about, but any information learned from bedding or whatever will be discoverable.

Ironic that she won't tolerate Larry Garrison trying to **** her out, but from where I sit, that's what she is doing by selling the Caylee Is Missing tee shirts, and by continuing to cause one brou ha ha after another regarding the memorial service (for instance). Speaking of which; when are they going to have services? Dragging out the funeral just seems like melodrama.

hehehe I also love how she insists that she hasn't lied. But her newest attorney is on the record that she and George have given conflicting statements. I don't think she knows the truth. It will be interesting to see what is different in their statements when she and George are re-interviewed.

[lorettalockhorn]

Back at ya:seeya: good to see u as well. Vicodin hmmmm...... paging Dr. House-sorry i could not resist. I luv Hugh Laurie and luv his show. Hysterical character chewing his Vicodin like candy. It has it's place. Sorry u have back pain. No hagnog or beer for me quite yet. Few more of my days off and i shall be rested enough to partake without falling asleep or making a stupid post:D

Ooh I love vicoprofen. Took it when I broke a tooth, and I've been hoarding it ever since.

To all my smoking buds:beer: I quit once for 4 years-stupid to go back. i will get it right again someday. I tried the Champix last spring-called champix here in canada-not good-i had every bad side effect except the depression. Took about 2 months to get out of my system completely. Unfortunatley those bad side effects did not hit the papers until i was well into it. Shoulda known better with my drug allergies that it was not going to be good. It's all good.

"Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times."
-Mark Twain

Chantix is scary stuff, or at least the side affects are. I think there is at least one murder case where a bad reaction to Chantix is the defense.

[FDInLaw]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??
Thanks for the video link. :seeya:

Cindy. . . redundant much?

[Mojo]

HAHAHAHA He's got Jane Velez-Mitchell's do!

HAHAHHAA! That's exactly what my DH says. "Why are you watching Mullet Momma?".

[Justice Denied?]

A funeral is no time to be paying people back for your imagined slights. It is just kind of petty that she throws that out at people who don't agree with her or who don't back her Casey is innocent story. Like take that I am punishing you or getting revenge by not letting you come to the funeral or memorial. It is indeed pathetic.

It looks like by now that Cindy would have learned you don't pay people back or get revenge. Casey learned that lesson from her all too well and look where that got them.

[Mojo]

I am not responding to the email message itself here but the person who wrote it.
I can't stand Louis Peters. She has simply put her grandchild in the spotlight, even though it would seem to be detrimental to her health as she supposedly had a nervous breakdown when Caylees hair was found in the trunk, just to get herself in the spotlight. She sits over there on Murts site lying her beehind off and even though she publicly denounced Cindy and George she sent emails trying to get herself and Dakota invited to the private funeral. This email was in response to that request being refused. I am shocked that the media released this story without checking this woman out. What she is doing to this child is tantamount to child abuse imo.

Sorry to offend :seeya: I honestly have not heard much of anything about the neighbor. I was just commenting on what she said to Cindy.

[shadydaisy]

To all my smoking buds:beer: I quit once for 4 years-stupid to go back. i will get it right again someday. I tried the Champix last spring-called champix here in canada-not good-i had every bad side effect except the depression. Took about 2 months to get out of my system completely. Unfortunatley those bad side effects did not hit the papers until i was well into it. Shoulda known better with my drug allergies that it was not going to be good. It's all good.

I quit years ago when a friend of mine was going through acupuncture school (I know, I know) and I said I would let her work on me. I was like a pincushion every day for a month and it worked - for 5 years - I've been back to smoking for the last 6 years. She moved to Colorado years ago and the acupuncturist I tried here in NJ, didn't work at all. I really think the every day treatment was the key.

Some people have had success with Wellbutrin....anyone try it?

[Gatordog]

LMAO She better upgrade. My garage freezer is in Arkansas. Girl needs OnStar or GPS.

Zenaida Gator is very tricky. She has been spotted in three different states at one time - yet she wasn't ever actually seen.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??

I would say that giving something to the defense is an awfully god way to dispose of incriminating evidence. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Awww a Vicodin hoarder :D You are way to funny Loretta. Yes we had some cases of murder on Champix up here in canada as well. I think the saddest one i heard of was a young man wandered into a house in the night and owner thought it was a break in and shot and killed him. He was only in his 20's. Not sure why it is still on the market. Class action suit brought forward by those families of folks who comitted suicide while on it. Many did very well on it but hundred's who did not. I just tried to get the word out so folks could make an informed decision since i didn't have that luxury. It was tough on my family as i would zone out about every 4-5 days. No memory or clue of onset. No memory of what i said or did during these episodes. One lasted 36 hrs. I had adultsitter's since i could not be left alone. D.H. slept on the floor so if i got up i had to step on him. Bizzare-never been thru anything like that in my life. Thank God for wonderful family and friends-especially since they knew i was not crazy HA!!!

Oh Beem, that sounds truly frightening. Glad you're okay. I just don't like taking medication. Which is why I'm hoarding instead of actually taking the vicoprofen. Don't have time to sleep that much anyway. Although I did notice that I took them during they day, they didn't have quite the same effect. Go figure.

[lorettalockhorn]

It looks like by now that Cindy would have learned you don't pay people back or get revenge. Casey learned that lesson from her all too well and look where that got them.

Good point and so true.

[Gatordog]

yeah the families are the worst part. I do not do decomp either. My job was just load and go. Our worst in the morgue was a suicide in a swamp. After a few days the morgue was loaded with house flies. I do not study the life of bugs but somebody should have known better. it was gross! I truly believe that is where Caylee was placed due to the fact that it was an old hangout for Casey and she buried her pets there. sounds morbid but I think that is what she did. IMO sara

Just heard today that blowflies will actually be attracted to body within minutes of the persons death.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL My daughter had surgery recently, he gave her a rx just in case, and I am I glad I had that! I think I was sleeping within 5 minutes of my last post last nite! Drowsiness my azzz ~ http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-048.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo) I'm gonna hoard 'em like Loretta does! Smart woman!

Can't get over how those Brits can lose their accents so well..I like Hugh too, that bug job ;)

Aww look at little bunny foo foo at his desk. :tongue: Glad you got a good night's sleep!

[Amy]

Nancy has always been rude. It's not just since she had the twins. When she had a show on Court TV she was the same way. I have been watching her for 5 years. Her style is intimadation. I do not like her and only can watch her show for about 7 minutes. However, that is all you need to watch because everything her show is about is talked about in 7 minutes and then its just review and repeat. Her show should only be a 1/2 hour in my opinion or not one at all. The only time she gets mellow is when she is talking about the twins. They are her soft spot.:D

The first I had heard of NG was when Laci Peterson was murdered. Even back then, it pretty much was that either you loved her or hated her. (I'm sure there were those in the middle who could take her or leave her, didn't hear much from them, tho.) The complaints back then were pretty much the same as they are now, only I do think she has become more aggressive, more of the prima dona personality.

Whether she was an anchor, or hosting her own show, even back then, she did not always (in fact hardly ever) let the person answer her question--with about 2 words out of the other person's mouth, she was contradicting them, even if they were agreeing with her!!!!

I have figured out I don't need to watch THE BEGINNING of her show, because it starts from "day one" and takes a while to get to today's "bombshell." And, that gets longer, each day, of course, as the opening adds each bombshell. Then, as you say, watch a bit for today's big news (that you've probably already heard on Jane's show) and then you can turn to some other show, cuz the same ol' same ol' will be discussed. IMO

I don't know the name of the guy just ahead of Jane, but the other day I was watching his show. There were experts on, there was discussion, but what I found a nice change was, no shouting, no theatrics (Jane can get as dramatic as Nancy) no interrupting. I could actually hear what each person had to say about the issue being discussed. Now, that was nice!!!!

[Gatordog]

and he said that so long ago!!!!! His hair was interesting on NG tonight. IMO

I thought I was just imaging his hair or possibly seeing wrong with these allergy eyes.

Gator

[Amy]

Agree. Lois is toxic filth. So sad that when you look at Dakota's modeling profile; she (or whoever wrote her bio) comments that she doesn't understand why she hasn't been picked up. The answer is most likely because of her grandmother. & Exposing Dakota to Murt is one of the worst things that Lois has done to her.

One of my first reactions to Lois was WTH???? It was when she was trying to garner sympathy from the fact that Casey (or Cindy?) continued to email and upset Dakota after she (Lois) "asked" them to not contact Dakota way back when.

My reaction? BLOCK THE EMAIL ADDRESS!!!! For Pete's sake, don't let the emails come thru and then blame the sender!!! BLAME YOU for allowing them to come thru!!! You aren't computer savvy? Well, call upon some friend who IS, or, in the light of how IMPORTANT it is to PROTECT your granddaughter, you might have to spend a couple of dollars to get a computer tech to help you. (Or, if money is a big obstacle, consider REMOVING the computer from the home.)

You don't just sit back and watch things happen, then blame whomever made things happen---you PREVENT them from happening!!!!

And, just as in so many high profile cases, there are people on the sidelines who would NOT have ever, ever, been in the headlines, except that THEY made things known by going to the media. The fact that Casey or Cindy had ever emailed Dakota would not have been known until much, much later (if ever) had someone CLOSE to the case not made it known. IMO

[Gatordog]

oh no gator. do you take shots or just over the counter meds?

I tried shots but they didn't do much good. It's the food allergies that affect me the most. I only developed them a few years back. The doctors said that so many foods have been altered from their original state that many people are now developing food allergies which they didn't have as kids. With food allergies you think it would make you have intestinal or stomach problems - but no, it's just like having hay fever and shots can't help.

gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Hoarding is good-just dont let House know ya have extrie :D

We can wrestle for them. :hat: Seriously, Hugh Lawrie is hawt for a guy with hair.

[Gatordog]

Gee if the private dick is legitimate and truthful why not just turn them over??? Also on NG the reporter said that the book seen in the video was not found at the scene. I could of sworn I saw that in an article that LE had confirmed it and in fact we all talked about it.

If the police have not released what was found at the scene, how would NG know for sure? LE has been pretty good about not spilling the beans, so to speak. Plus, she doesn't listen to what anyone actally says , so I will wait for LE's statement of what was there.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

One of my first reactions to Lois was WTH???? It was when she was trying to garner sympathy from the fact that Casey (or Cindy?) continued to email and upset Dakota after she (Lois) "asked" them to not contact Dakota way back when.

My reaction? BLOCK THE EMAIL ADDRESS!!!! For Pete's sake, don't let the emails come thru and then blame the sender!!! BLAME YOU for allowing them to come thru!!! You aren't computer savvy? Well, call upon some friend who IS, or, in the light of how IMPORTANT it is to PROTECT your granddaughter, you might have to spend a couple of dollars to get a computer tech to help you. (Or, if money is a big obstacle, consider REMOVING the computer from the home.)

You don't just sit back and watch things happen, then blame whomever made things happen---you PREVENT them from happening!!!!

And, just as in so many high profile cases, there are people on the sidelines who would NOT have ever, ever, been in the headlines, except that THEY made things known by going to the media. The fact that Casey or Cindy had ever emailed Dakota would not have been known until much, much later (if ever) had someone CLOSE to the case not made it known. IMO

Lois strikes me as one of those long suffering victims; some people thrive on crisis orientation. I don't blame Lois for wanting to stop any of the Ants from contacting Dakota, but you are exactly right; she could have blocked the communication somehow herself. Change the email addy comes to mind. This woman just has bad judgement, and she and Murt are probably the two trashiest remora to attach themselves to this case. (If you don't count the KidFinders people, and Baez IF he has crossed the line with Casey.)

[Justice Denied?]

We can wrestle for them. :hat: Seriously, Hugh Lawrie is hawt for a guy with hair.

Loretta,

I have tole you and tole you. Leroy is not gonna like this at all! Can you please try to restrict yourself to having a crush on one man each 24 hours? Two a day is too many! LOL

[Amy]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??

Cindy does have a point about things that were available to LE that they did not take, for whatever reason. Whether Cindy offered this stuff to LE on "day one" or not, they did not take it. And, I would guess if there is something they did not take that the defense wants to take--there you are. Part of the problem is that this was presented to LE as a kidnapping case, so the things they would take @ the beginning ARE different than things they would take for a suspected murder case, IMO. It seems they saw thru Casey's lies pretty quickly, and it does make me wonder why they would take so long to get warrants to search the house. They also have to have a list of what they want, but one would wonder why bed clothing of the person they think is dead and the bed clothing of her mother would not be on that list.

One part of you post:"and ALLEGEDLY GIVEN to the defense"---allegedly being the operative word here. The bedding might have been stripped, but was it given to Jose Baez or was it disposed of? Because, with Cindy, it's hard to decipher between what is a TRUE statement, what is a statement that contains SOME of the truth, and what might be a MIS-TRUTH or UN-TRUTH (whicheer word that she used instead of lies.)

[Amy]

I'm continually amazed there was anything left to find after the first warrant. You'd think LE would have taken all that stuff just in case, and they kept having to come back. One of the first things I would think of would be a missing child's bedding. I mean, what if some perp had come into the bedroom or something ala Polly Klaas. I know mommy was telling tales and everything, but you would think they would write off everything she said and go from scratch on what happened...

You would certainly think that their saying "Zanny" had a key to the house, and Casey says "Zanny" is the one who took Caylee would have raised a RED FLAG to LE to take more from the house in the beginning. After all, if "Zanny" had a key, what would stop her from going to the house that day--which is what I think the A's were wanting to portray--that Zanny took Caylee to the house, killed her there to frame Casey. Whatever the scenario, it does seem that ANYTHING, including BEDDING that pertained to Caylee would have been on the LE list to seize. IMO

[Amy]

Ooh I love vicoprofen. Took it when I broke a tooth, and I've been hoarding it ever since.



"Quitting smoking is easy. I've done it a thousand times."
-Mark Twain

Chantix is scary stuff, or at least the side affects are. I think there is at least one murder case where a bad reaction to Chantix is the defense.

Yep, kids these days get scripts for some of these things, and then instead of using them for pain, either sell them or barter them. It is amazing the number of things kids can come up with that "require" strong pain medication, and the docs just keep prescribing them!!!!! :confused:

Perhaps all drugs (and I mean ALL drugs) should be removed from the market and drug companies should start over, trying to make drugs with NO side effects. There are side effects to EVERY drug, heck, even with vitamins, and with "natural" stuff (which is unregulated and you don't know exact amounts of what is in them.) But, that is another whole thread, I would imgaine. ;)

[Amy]

I quit years ago when a friend of mine was going through acupuncture school (I know, I know) and I said I would let her work on me. I was like a pincushion every day for a month and it worked - for 5 years - I've been back to smoking for the last 6 years. She moved to Colorado years ago and the acupuncturist I tried here in NJ, didn't work at all. I really think the every day treatment was the key.

Some people have had success with Wellbutrin....anyone try it?

Well, what a wonderful excuse for a month long vacation in Colorado!!!! Might want to wait til Spring, or maybe Summer (when it's really hot elsewhere) tho. Or, get snowed in, then you can say you HAVE to stay til the spring thaw comes!!! lol

[SaraSidle]

No Sara, you're not the only smoker. It's a ruff one to break, ask my hypnotist, my patches, my lozenges and the 150 dollar a script Chantix. When Larry King asked Vanessa Redgrave (who is in her 70's) why she smoked, she said, "Because I'm an addict." Simple answer but it still isn't good for us to do it.

All Non SMOKERS go outside and shiver in the cold. This is MY house. :no:

Vanessa is my favorite actress since Camelot. Yes when DH and I quit 7 years ago washing the walls and windows and curtains was so unpleasant. Now I am the only smoker and have no problem smoking outside. Plus DH and kitties will not get second hand smoke. Goood Plan on your part!!!! and it keeps me from smoking very much. If I was inside I would probably chain smoke. not good if one is trying to cut down and quit. sara

[SaraSidle]

Another frigid snowy day in New England. May all you warm climate posters enjoy the sweater weather and send warmth our way. I dream of a condo on Highland Beach, Florida. I dream of ocean views and lemonade. I dream of flowers along the walkways of Tarpon Springs and the green grass of Georgia. I dream of the Blue Ridge Mountains scenes, grazing cows, lemon trees, seagulls dropping clams on the breakwater, cozy screen rooms by the pool, little umbrella thingies in my tall glass of Gin and tonic, lounge chairs in the baby powderey sands of shores far from here... Sorry, I dream a lot.

:mad: Damn snow all over my car again and down the sloping driveway... Brrr.

oh Danagher me too and it is so depressing. how many times a day must we clean the car and driveway and sidewalks. I have the furnaced turned down but my gas bill is going to break me. I want out.........sara

[SaraSidle]

I'm continually amazed there was anything left to find after the first warrant. You'd think LE would have taken all that stuff just in case, and they kept having to come back. One of the first things I would think of would be a missing child's bedding. I mean, what if some perp had come into the bedroom or something ala Polly Klaas. I know mommy was telling tales and everything, but you would think they would write off everything she said and go from scratch on what happened...

I agree java very confusing to me:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

To all my smoking buds:beer: I quit once for 4 years-stupid to go back. i will get it right again someday. I tried the Champix last spring-called champix here in canada-not good-i had every bad side effect except the depression. Took about 2 months to get out of my system completely. Unfortunatley those bad side effects did not hit the papers until i was well into it. Shoulda known better with my drug allergies that it was not going to be good. It's all good.

thanks beem my brother left me a bunch. I think I will try the cold turkey first......sorry you had to go through all that.........sara

[SaraSidle]

It will be good to see some truth's come out once the re- interview's and trial get underway. I think George will be honest and forthright. I cant imagine what life will be like for him with Cindy at that point. Lost on where Lee fits in with possible charge/charges. I think we better strap in once this all takes on a life of it's own. I think it will be one heck of a bumpy ride. Truths and answers need to be brought forth for Caylee's sake. I am sure many things we will never know. MOO

do you have any ideas on what Lee's involvment is? sara

[SaraSidle]

I quit years ago when a friend of mine was going through acupuncture school (I know, I know) and I said I would let her work on me. I was like a pincushion every day for a month and it worked - for 5 years - I've been back to smoking for the last 6 years. She moved to Colorado years ago and the acupuncturist I tried here in NJ, didn't work at all. I really think the every day treatment was the key.

Some people have had success with Wellbutrin....anyone try it?

I tried it 4 times. the first 2 were terrible side effects and the third worked. than I tried it again when I wanted to quit again the terrible side affects came back. :shrug:

[SaraSidle]

I tried shots but they didn't do much good. It's the food allergies that affect me the most. I only developed them a few years back. The doctors said that so many foods have been altered from their original state that many people are now developing food allergies which they didn't have as kids. With food allergies you think it would make you have intestinal or stomach problems - but no, it's just like having hay fever and shots can't help.

gator

I am sorry gator. so far I am only allergic to the sun and dogs. which is very trapping indeed. no cure so I stay inside. but dogs are like giving me hayfever and I just love them so much. I was lactose intolererant for 3 years and then it went away. maybe ours will be gone soon pooof. sara

[SaraSidle]

yes, thou I smoke, never in the house. So when I go to another smoker's house, I even notice it smells different. But sometimes I do smoke out the bathroom window, like a 17 year old ,at times when it's too cold. My neighbor once asked my daughter Alana why she had her doll with the dark hair out the window...Alana looked at me like WTF? Then, I realized that what she saw was me literally hanging out the window, doing the nasty! LMAO !!

Wellbutrin to stop smoking is a no no..That stuff made me like someone out the the Exorcist ~ mood changes and all that...and definately not for the better! Scary stuff. Dr. wanted me to try it because husband complained.
(where's that middle finger icon I heard about??!!)


lolololol soul you had me laughing waay too hard on the doll thing. I can just picture it. would love to see a pic of you sticking out the window looking like a doll............hooooooohooooo hooooo thanks I needed that sara

[SaraSidle]

Not a clue Sara. I thought maybe i missed some good theories when trying to scan and catch up here. You?

not that I know of. Only thing I have heard so far is Lee may have been helping the PI's find Caylee. and that is very much specualtion. IMO

[Gatordog]

WESH and WKMG announced a new video has been released today. It is from the last jail visit G&C had with the Liar. No previous info on the visit had been released because the detectives declared it important to the case so they were able to seal it. I believe Baez requested the video so it had to go public. When G&C left the jail, they were both in tears.

Gator

P.S. I haven't seen it yet since the news has been preempted due to airline crash. What a miracle that everyone is alive. :)

[One2Snoop]

Source: Kronk Believes He Saw Skull In August
Meter Reader Later Found Caylee Anthony's Remains

POSTED: 10:08 am EST January 13, 2009
UPDATED: 7:25 pm EST January 14, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A source close to the investigation said Wednesday that Roy Kronk now believes he saw Caylee Anthony’s skull sticking out of a bag the first day he reported something suspicious in the woods in August.

Kronk mentions seeing something white in his first 911 call, but said a deputy who came to the scene blew him off.

Meanwhile, Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said Wednesday that the department’s Internal Affairs division will interview by Thursday the deputy who met with Kronk.

Kronk, a meter reader, said Deputy Richard Cain was rude and did not take seriously his tip about a suspicious bag when Kronk called authorities in August. Cain wrote off the bag as "trash only."

Four months later Kronk went back to that area and found Caylee's remains.

Kronk’s attorney would not comment on details, but did confirm Kronk gave a sworn statement to investigators days before speaking out on national TV Tuesday.

Records show complaints have been filed twice in the past against Cain, a three-year veteran deputy, for failure to follow up thoroughly on citizen calls. Cain was cleared both times.

Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, is charged with first-degree murder in connection with Caylee’s death. Anthony is being held in Orange County Jail on no bond.

She reported her daughter missing in July and said she was last with the baby sitter.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/18469488/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

WESH and WKMG announced a new video has been released today. It is from the last jail visit G&C had with the Liar. No previous info on the visit had been released because the detectives declared it important to the case so they were able to seal it. I believe Baez requested the video so it had to go public. When G&C left the jail, they were both in tears.

Gator

P.S. I haven't seen it yet since the news has been preempted due to airline crash. What a miracle that everyone is alive. :)

Thanks for the update - airline crash? :eek:

[SaraSidle]

I hear ya-lets all go to Dan's and have a smoke-athon in the confines of a warm house.

yes I do believe she should invite us beem

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys' Former Attorney Gives Kronk $5K Reward
Deputy In Caylee Investigation Reassigned

POSTED: 12:10 pm EST January 15, 2009
UPDATED: 3:46 pm EST January 15, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The meter reader who discovered Caylee Anthony's remains on Dec. 11 was given a $5,000 reward on Thursday.

Roy Kronk received the money from Mark NeJame, George and Cindy Anthony's former attorney.

After his own investigation, NeJame said he deduced that Kronk was not involved in any type of conspiracy or foul play, so he decided to give him the money he earned while working for the Anthonys.

Kronk's attorney, David Evans, released this statement: "Roy Kronk is very appreciative to Mark NeJame for his generous gift of $5,000. Apparently, Mr. NeJame received $5,000 for his earlier involvement in the case and has decided that since Roy did find Caylee, the money should appropriately go to him. Roy is very thankful that Mark NeJame has recognized his singular efforts in finding Caylee and hopes that this sends a message to others that kindness does exist for people who do the right thing in life."

Also on Thursday, a deputy who may have missed a chance to find Caylee Anthony's remains was reassigned.

Deputy Richard Cain was reassigned to the agency's material control and supply section. He also was forced to surrender his badge, gun and other equipment -- and not to engage in law enforcement action on or off duty.

On Aug. 13, Kronk said Cain was rude and didn't take his tip seriously about a suspicious bag near the Anthony home. His report stated the bag was "trash only."

Four months later, Kronk returned to the area and found Caylee's remains.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18487834/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

EquuSearch Leader Hires Anthonys' Ex-Attorney

Thursday, January 15, 2009 – updated: 12:54 pm EST January 15, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Two former players in the case against Casey Anthony have joined forces against Casey's defense team.

Tim Miller from EquuSearch, a group that performed several searches for Caylee Anthony, has now hired attorney Mark Nejame. Nejame had previously represented George and Cindy Anthony.

Miller wants to prevent the defense from getting all the records relating to the tips that EquuSearch received as they search for Caylee, who was found dead in December. Her mother, Casey, has been charged with the child's murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Pictures where Caylee’s was found show items psychic saw
Last Edited: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009, 10:50 AM EST
Created: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009, 10:46 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- A psychic in Virginia told private investigator Dominic Casey to search the woods near the Anthony family home back in November, a month before Caylee's body was discovered. George and Cindy Anthony’s' attorney gave the pictures to FOX 35’s Holly Bristow with permission from the family.

The agreement with the Anthony’s lawyer allowed FOX 35 to only show the photos in our Wednesday January 15, 2009 evening and night newscasts and not online at this time.

Deputies, the FBI and prosecutors have seen them already. The Anthony’s private investigator Dominic Casey took them the morning of November 15, 2008, five months to the day anyone had last seen Caylee and weeks before a meter reader found her remains. Shortly after he took them, a psychic called the PI saying she knew where Caylee Marie was.

Shaky home video shows the Anthony’s private investigator rummaging through this wooded area on suburban drive around the corner from the Anthony family home.

Dominic Casey was on the phone with psychic Ginette Matacia Lucas , states away in Virginia leading him to the place she saw Caylee in a dream.

Matacia-Lucas tells FOX 35 what she was telling Casey to look for. “You're looking for what may look like trash. It’s not going to be a body you're looking for. You're looking for what looks like trash...you're not looking for a little girl sitting on the curb.”

As Casey rummaged through the woods he stopped to take still pictures to document his search. He saw trash all over, an empty oil quart, a toilet. “He said he didn't see it and I said keep looking in the woods,” said Lucas.

But the trash like debris Matacia-Lucas wanted Dominic Casey looking for would be next to something specific. “I said try to look for a rock or a paver or something,” said Lucas.

Eventually the psychic tells Dominic Casey to look for three pavers in a row.

The pictures show Dominic Casey finding one paver and then another one and finally after several minutes of feverishly searching he finds three pavers in a row next to an old tire.

Dominic Casey searched the area November 15, went back Sunday the 16th and then again on Tuesday the 18th. He tells fox 35 he was probably within 150 to 200 feet from where little caylee was found.

Dominic Casey says the more he found of what the psychic was describing on the phone, the more freaked out he got. He says this was a very emotional time for him.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8256004&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

WESH and WKMG announced a new video has been released today. It is from the last jail visit G&C had with the Liar. No previous info on the visit had been released because the detectives declared it important to the case so they were able to seal it. I believe Baez requested the video so it had to go public. When G&C left the jail, they were both in tears.

Gator

P.S. I haven't seen it yet since the news has been preempted due to airline crash. What a miracle that everyone is alive. :)

US Airways plane to NC crashes into Hudson River
Last Edited: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009, 4:30 PM EST
Created: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009, 4:28 PM EST

A US Airways plane crashed into the Hudson River on Thursday afternoon after striking a bird that disabled two engines, sending passengers fleeing for safety in the frigid waters, a government official says.

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http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8258058&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says

Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
12:50 PM EST, January 15, 2009


Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, has told the Orlando Sentinel that getting his group involved in the Caylee Marie Anthony case might be one of the biggest mistakes he's made for the organization.

In a recent interview with the Sentinel, Miller said that so many resources were used and so much money spent on Caylee's case, they now don't have enough to assist all the other people who contact EquuSearch for help.

The publicity has caused EquuSearch's caseload to increase more than ever. And because of the economy, donations to the nonprofit are down.

"Caylee Anthony was not the very first missing person in this country and she's not going to be the last missing person in this country," Miller said.

Now, EquuSearch has to be very selective in which cases it works.

Miller said the search for Caylee was more costly than he could have imagined. And he can't remember a search that has had as many twists and
"This has been a frustrating case for everybody," he said.

"This has caused me personally a lot of financial, emotion and physical grief. This case wore on me more than any case that I've worked."

Meanwhile, EquuSearch continues to search throughout the country for other missing people. Miller continues to run a small construction company.

And now, two months after he called-off the second ground search for Caylee, Miller is still being wrapped up in the case.

The defense attorney representing Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, recently filed a motion seeking information from EquuSearch. Jose Baez asked the court for EquuSearch's records including maps of search areas and information on volunteers.

No hearing date has been set to address Baez's motion.

Orlando attorney Mark NeJame, who formerly represented Caylee's grandparents, is representing Miller.

Still, Miller said he has no regrets.

"When we came into this search, we had nothing to gain and nothing to lose," he said. "I don't regret anything and I certainly do remember what this is about -- and it's Caylee Anthony."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

[SaraSidle]

WESH and WKMG announced a new video has been released today. It is from the last jail visit G&C had with the Liar. No previous info on the visit had been released because the detectives declared it important to the case so they were able to seal it. I believe Baez requested the video so it had to go public. When G&C left the jail, they were both in tears.

Gator

P.S. I haven't seen it yet since the news has been preempted due to airline crash. What a miracle that everyone is alive. :)

I posted the aircrash above. everyone should watch CNN. it is about time we had a miracle around here.

[SaraSidle]

EquuSearch Leader Hires Anthonys' Ex-Attorney

Thursday, January 15, 2009 – updated: 12:54 pm EST January 15, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Two former players in the case against Casey Anthony have joined forces against Casey's defense team.

Tim Miller from EquuSearch, a group that performed several searches for Caylee Anthony, has now hired attorney Mark Nejame. Nejame had previously represented George and Cindy Anthony.

Miller wants to prevent the defense from getting all the records relating to the tips that EquuSearch received as they search for Caylee, who was found dead in December. Her mother, Casey, has been charged with the child's murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html#-

Good move Tim IMO

[SaraSidle]

US Airways plane to NC crashes into Hudson River
Last Edited: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009, 4:30 PM EST
Created: Thursday, 15 Jan 2009, 4:28 PM EST

A US Airways plane crashed into the Hudson River on Thursday afternoon after striking a bird that disabled two engines, sending passengers fleeing for safety in the frigid waters, a government official says.

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http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8258058&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

thanks O2S can you post that link under the thread good news above. I posted the story but cannot do links still?

[One2Snoop]

thanks O2S can you post that link under the thread good news above. I posted the story but cannot do links still?

Yes I can do that. What's the post # because I don't see your post. :shrug:

ETA: Is it posted here or under the good news forum?

[SaraSidle]

I agree and if we all sit in the same room for say 48 hrs. smoking our brains out that just might be the cure. Especially if we stay to scrub off all the nicotine from her walls :D

you know we had to do our walls and windows 4 times. You could not really see it until you started cleaning. so gross. she will just have to buy a bunch of air cleaners for us

[SaraSidle]

Yes I can do that. What's the post # because I don't see your post. :shrug:

ETA: Is it posted here or under the good news forum?

under hot topics/good news/post 1 thanks tons

[SaraSidle]

Sure would like a peek at Lee's notebook L.P. was referring to on N.G. last night. Wonder if LE has?

and then again it could have nothing. He of all people had to know where Casey buried her pets and played with her friends. He wouldn't need a pad for that so what does he have on it?

[SaraSidle]

Amen-amazing everyone was so calm from reports and all survived.:rose:

I confess it made me cry. super pilots and miracle. water temp is 42. no one can last in that.

[Justice Denied?]

I knew it-she's a serial dater-I just knew it :D

Yes, it's true. Sara, gator and I have been trying to keep it quite so don't tell anyone. We are not sure if she needs professional help or is just a Good-time girl Extraordinaire! Either way, a good person and lots of fun.

[Gatordog]

The video is 22 minutes long. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Just a minute or so was shown. Cindy and George are pressing the Liar for answers and the Liar starts crying because no one will let her talk. She cries that everything has been taken away from her, she has nothing. And she doesn't have any answers to any questions because she can't talk to anyone because she's in jail. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad008.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) She can't ask questions to gwt any information on Caylee. She continues on how the only person she can talk to, is Jose.

Also on WESH they had on Tim Miller. He said that when he went into the house for the first time, the Liar had this big smile on her face "and was bouncing around like she was some sort of cheerleader". He was angry because the searches cost TES about $100K. He said since Caylee was found so close to home that the Liar was invilved and since she was doing nothing while sitting in jail, that he should give her his files and she should call six or seven families and explain why he can't help them.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

I don't remember posting this - sorry if its a repeat...

Mystery Surrounds Abandonded House Shown on Anthony's PI Video
Eyewitness News now knows whose house is shown in the video shot by the Anthony family private eye. (01/13/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18490015/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I knew it-she's a serial dater-I just knew it :D

I'm just a serial gawker. Swear!

I knew it too!!!

She and I are still jousting over Joshua, and now on Saturday she's going to the Bahamas with Gumby! http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-046.gif (http://blog.sina.com.cn/wangmomo)

Gumby will be so impressed now I'm so svelte after all the snotting, coughing, spitting, puking, and well, you know. http://i41.tinypic.com/2ld92mc.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

You would certainly think that their saying "Zanny" had a key to the house, and Casey says "Zanny" is the one who took Caylee would have raised a RED FLAG to LE to take more from the house in the beginning. After all, if "Zanny" had a key, what would stop her from going to the house that day--which is what I think the A's were wanting to portray--that Zanny took Caylee to the house, killed her there to frame Casey. Whatever the scenario, it does seem that ANYTHING, including BEDDING that pertained to Caylee would have been on the LE list to seize. IMO

I'm thinking that the first time LE heard anything about Zanny having a key was when Cindy asked during the visitation. Considering what a headstart the Liar had, I think they've done a great job, but there are a few exceptions that make you scratch your head.

[lorettalockhorn]

I hear ya-lets all go to Dan's and have a smoke-athon in the confines of a warm house.

REALLY! I read that she had her heat turned up to 74?!?!

Y'alls' smoking stories are cracking me up, but I hae to ask how many times have you set your hair on fire trying to light a ciggy?

[sharlock]

Ooooooooooo, don't you just hate it??!! It's 11 degrees here, the kids have a 2 hour delay, and I just can't seem to warm up, despite having the heat to 74! My brother used to call me from AZ and crow about the warm weather while we froze..now it's 70 there, and everyone's freaking out...ha ha!

Sending a bit of the white stuff to sharlock and gator definately, and all the rest of you with temps over 75 ~ don't want you all to feel left out ya know.

Can you make mine a Sex on the Beach? (no gin for me) I'll join you! :seeya:

PS ~ I am NOT shoveling or cleaning my car off again! No way, no how! I'm sick of this @#%* wet stuff! I don't want to do it ! Waaaaaaaaaaa!
Lol, you know it took me a while to work out what all the wet mail in the letterbox was about then I figured out it was you guys sending me snow. I don't use the same temperature measure as you guys (approx 25degrees celcius here) but it is lovely here at the moment though it can get to hot. Watch out for the crispy postal express I am sending some rays your way! I just saw the plane crashed into the Hudson River due to 2 birdstrikes but all the passengers are believed to have survived, that is amazing what a pilot hey! I know this is all off topic but I wanted to mention that Israel has targeted and striked a UN compound, this is crazy its as if they don't feel like anyone will put a stop to this.:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Sure would like a peek at Lee's notebook L.P. was referring to on N.G. last night. Wonder if LE has?

I'd like to see it too. I think LP said that he kept this notebook while he was investigating and made notes. Surely to goodness Nick Savage has seen it by now.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.science.edu/TechoftheYear/Nominees/Oreck/OreckAirPurifierTower.jpg

There, that's better. :biggrin:





:seeya:

[sharlock]

Sorry to offend :seeya: I honestly have not heard much of anything about the neighbor. I was just commenting on what she said to Cindy.
Ohh Mojo you could never offend me. Like I said I didn't disagree with your comment about what she said just that I don't like her...but you I like very much!:D

[sharlock]

Not sure thats why i would luv a peek. Might be nothing more than notations he appeared to be reading from in one of the jail visit tapes. I cant remember if he was doing any writing? I do remember him looking down and his voice tones sounded like he was reading. Cryptic talk but sounded like reading. MOO
I thought he mentioned in the vid he had written everything down so he wouldn't forget anything he wanted to ask about.

[lorettalockhorn]

I will keep it under wraps-she is an absolute hoot. She makes me laugh just when ya need it. Something tells me Leroy is not complaining-I picture him walking around with a smile 24/7. I am sure he reaps all the benefits Loretta:hat:

Sure, Leroy smiles. But I think it's because he's deaf and doesn't hear most of what I'm saying? http://i41.tinypic.com/k31u20.jpg

[sharlock]

hey guys,
I think I might have found something important but I posted it on a another forum because everyone is offline here and they didn't react at all. What do you gys think is it something or nothing?
Remember that long rambling tirade from Cindy in reply to the accusation she purposely withheld the brush from LE
Here is the link:-
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html
anyway in it she is talking about giving stuff to Casy for the defense to get dna from. Together they look for hair baubles and that's when she remembers Caylees brush, then she goes on to say that they also STRIPPED THE BED and gave it to the defense. Now wasn't some bedding found at the crime scene and isn't it convenient that Casey has removed this prob incomplete bedding from the house and allegedly given it to the defense before LE went in with a search warrant. If LE knows this you would think they would have filed a motion to get it but they haven't. I don't think the defense has any obligation to tell them they have it either unless they intend to use it at trial lol! They just want to keep it away from the trial imo.
So what do you all think??
I'm continually amazed there was anything left to find after the first warrant. You'd think LE would have taken all that stuff just in case, and they kept having to come back. One of the first things I would think of would be a missing child's bedding. I mean, what if some perp had come into the bedroom or something ala Polly Klaas. I know mommy was telling tales and everything, but you would think they would write off everything she said and go from scratch on what happened...
I don't think the defense have to bring this out in discovery unless they plan to use it at trial and they don't have to offer it to the prosecution at all either.
I think Lee knows far more than he is telling and I wonder why they don't all come clean and tell the truth about Casey. This was their grandchild and niece who was young and in need of care and protection. Casey betrayed that trust with Caylee and none of them should be defending or protecting her anymore.

[sharlock]

The video of the jail visit is online!!
http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

[Gatordog]

Another clip was shown. Cindy asks the Liar for something to go on to find Caylee. The Liar gets upset and tells her mother that she doesn't have anything. The only thing she is focusing on, can focus on is her case! That's it - her case.:mad: Cindy replies back that the one thing they need to focus on is finding Caylee. Then the Liar starts to yell back and Cindy reaches over to give the phone to George because she doesn't want to argue and the Liar tells her, no, I want you to listen.

This is the woman who was such "a loving mother". Her mother still covers for her knowing she's said these things and didn't think finding her daughter was a priority. All the Liar is good for is organ donation.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

The video of the jail visit is online!!
http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

OMG! I listened to 6 minutes of the Liar and I need to go puke! grrrrrrrrr :flamemad:

Thanks for the link sharlock. :seeya:

[Spider]

All of you other fellow smokers are giving me the giggles. I had a tooth extracted today and I am still sitting at my computer with a glass of wine with a straw in it smoking my cigs.

Not to offend anyone but I actually have a sign on my door that states "This house is a perfume free zone. Bags may be checked and visitors sniff tested".

Smokers are welcome though. The 'bags checked' was mainly for my daughter who will SWEAR she is not wearing ANY perfume or lotions but I found nine different scented products in her bag the othernight. Odd that I am highly allergic to perfumes of all kinds but smoke like a freight train.

Ok........off to watch the new video release and watch Liar cry for herself.

[crowamongdoves]

OMG! I listened to 6 minutes of the Liar and I need to go puke! grrrrrrrrr :flamemad:

Thanks for the link sharlock. :seeya:

Are any of you experiencing problems with the video when I went to the site I can play all the other videos but the august visit won't play for some reason.

[lorettalockhorn]

All of you other fellow smokers are giving me the giggles. I had a tooth extracted today and I am still sitting at my computer with a glass of wine with a straw in it smoking my cigs.

Not to offend anyone but I actually have a sign on my door that states "This house is a perfume free zone. Bags may be checked and visitors sniff tested".

Smokers are welcome though. The 'bags checked' was mainly for my daughter who will SWEAR she is not wearing ANY perfume or lotions but I found nine different scented products in her bag the othernight. Odd that I am highly allergic to perfumes of all kinds but smoke like a freight train.

Ok........off to watch the new video release and watch Liar cry for herself.

Omigosh Spider, didn't your DDS tell you not to smoke for at least 24 hours and not to use a straw? (And just between you and me, if you drink the wine, you can't take the pain pills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Good luck to you. Broke/cracked a tooth eating my Boy Scout chocolate covered popcorn back in September and had that pulled, and then was told that my wisdom teeth had to come out. Sadly, that is why I am no longer offering sage advice except to not smoke and not use a straw for 24 hours.

[One2Snoop]

Are any of you experiencing problems with the video when I went to the site I can play all the other videos but the august visit won't play for some reason.

Yes, I just had that happen too - you can link it from here and it should work...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18490155/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Are any of you experiencing problems with the video when I went to the site I can play all the other videos but the august visit won't play for some reason.

Me too. Overload maybe?

[Justice Denied?]

yes I do believe she should invite us beem

Y'all are always welcome here at my home in Texas. You can smoke in the house or out on the patio. It is cold today, about 45. Just be sure and bring a sleeping bag as it is a one bedroom apt. Call first and I will have the haterade and hagnog ready.:beer::beer:

[One2Snoop]

Yes, I just had that happen too - you can link it from here and it should work...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18490155/detail.html

Me too. Overload maybe?

:seeya: In case you missed it - just re-posting

[Gatordog]

The Liar claims she's as much a victim as anyone.

In this video, it's obvious to me that George is the enabler. First, he's got to call her sternly by her name. Stop the Gorgeous and Beautiful. She's neither, she's one of the ugliest people on Earth. At one point the Liar is angry because she said they had one opportunity to bail her out but they missed it. I believe she was talking about the reward money for Caylee. Liar probably thought C&G had access to it and should have stolen it to bail her out. Afterall, Liar knew it would never be needed.

Gator

[sharlock]

OMG! I listened to 6 minutes of the Liar and I need to go puke! grrrrrrrrr :flamemad:

Thanks for the link sharlock. :seeya:
Your welcome! I can't beleive the dynamics in this family. I know everyone thinks puke when George sucks up to her but I think he is really clever. This is how they have to deal with her imo. The prob is she has already betrayed herself before with George using the same techniques and is wise to them now. I think she would be impossible to interogate her only downfall seems to be her pride.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, I just had that happen too - you can link it from here and it should work...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18490155/detail.html

UGH After watching six and a half minutes, she's already contradicting herself. She's out of the loop. Jose fills her in on everything. Which is it?

Gawd, they just talk over each other. I can imagine the shouting matches at home.

[sharlock]

Oh I get the feeling to she thinks they can get her out of jail but are keeping her there to punish her. "What should I have learnt from sitting here for a month, really?"

[Gatordog]

and then again it could have nothing. He of all people had to know where Casey buried her pets and played with her friends. He wouldn't need a pad for that so what does he have on it?


Perhaps taking notes for the book he's going to write with his Mommy. :rolleyes:

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh I get the feeling to she thinks they can get her out of jail but are keeping her there to punish her. "What should I have learnt from sitting here for a month, really?"

Yeah, it does sound that way. LMAO She can't do anything because she doesn't even have the internet. WTF

[FDInLaw]

The video of the jail visit is online!!
http://www.wftv.com/video/18490326/index.html

It seems Casey is merely trying to manipulate her way home. . . like she doesn't realize that there is nothing they can do for her. “and by keeping me here your not helping me help myself.” What could her parents have done???? Ugh. Hard to watch her go round and round about herself.

To the credit of George and Cindy, their focus to find Caylee was clear IMO.


“and I know where you are sitting in this. . .” Like Casey has the power of empathy. . . Double Ugh.

It's hard to watch Cindy. . . she knew that Casey could have ended this. . . I really believe that.

There is a “missing” girl at this point and their talking about chili. . . and the Bible. . . not sure I can watch this whole thing!


“I need to be looked at as a victim.” That's a real kicker there. . . :flamemad:

How many times was little Caylee even mentioned???


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I wonder if Casey will ever be given our posts??? :D

Thanks for the link! :seeya:

[Gatordog]

UGH After watching six and a half minutes, she's already contradicting herself. She's out of the loop. Jose fills her in on everything. Which is it?

Gawd, they just talk over each other. I can imagine the shouting matches at home.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-angry005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I caught that too, Loretta. First she doesn't know what's going on in the outside, then Jose let's her know everything.

[Spider]

My take on the video:

Parents: They call her beautiful several times, sweetheart constantly and even tell her she is the BOSS several times. (She has obviously been 'the boss' her whole life)

Liar: Says "I" about nine billion times. I lost count at about eight and half billion "I's"

Piece of carp:mad:

[Spider]

Liar says "Whoever" has her. I thought Zanny the Nanny had her. And she WANTS to be a victim. THAT is obvious.

[FDInLaw]

My take on the video:

Parents: They call her beautiful several times, sweetheart constantly and even tell her she is the BOSS several times. (She has obviously been 'the boss' her whole life)

Liar: Says "I" about nine billion times. I lost count at about eight and half billion "I's"

Piece of carp:mad:ITA. George seemed to do the best job of pandering her. . .

[Gatordog]

Yeah, it does sound that way. LMAO She can't do anything because she doesn't even have the internet. WTF

If G&C really wanted to find Caylee, they could have said to her "You were out for 31 days - what did you do then to find Caylee? Tell me what you would do if you were out and I will do it." But they didn't say that because they were too afraid of finding out the truth.

[lorettalockhorn]

George is practically stuttering to spit out the accolades and other BS. The Cindy in this video is the one that you can sympathize and empathize with.

Gawd, they're talking about how obscene everything is. And that was five months ago. Love how Casey used the word fabricate to describe what is being said about her and the case.

[FDInLaw]

If G&C really wanted to find Caylee, they could have said to her "You were out for 31 days - what did you do then to find Caylee? Tell me what you would do if you were out and I will do it." But they didn't say that because they were too afraid of finding out the truth.

I'm not so sure of this. . . I think they knew Casey would just get pissed and hang up. I think G & C were doing their best to stay on her good side in the hopes that she might say something of value. JMHO

[Gatordog]

http://www.wesh.com/video/18490226/index.htmlTim

[Spider]

No dentist. Oral Doc. Said I should drink through staw. Upper tooth no chance of dry socket. No pain meds. My choice. Med phobe. Let's see...wine...pain meds? WINE! I'll go for that so I can smoke and have my wine.

Liar is a self serving turd.

[deacon]

Good find! I'm not sure what I think, but I got a strong feeling Cindy will plead ignorance. She may have given the bedding to the defense but if they found evidence that Caylee was killed there or anything like that, and they hid it from LE then the whole defense team will be look for more than immunity. If Cindy, in any way tried to mess up this investigation, she's toast. She knows it. ALA Immunity request. Smoke and mirrors again... :confused:

If I heard correctly last night, the immunity thing is something that the Pros. will give to them if they are called as state's witnesses. Whether they ask for it or not. Simply to keep them from pleading the 5th. They must answer the questions.:eek:

[SaraSidle]

Y'all are always welcome here at my home in Texas. You can smoke in the house or out on the patio. It is cold today, about 45. Just be sure and bring a sleeping bag as it is a one bedroom apt. Call first and I will have the haterade and hagnog ready.:beer::beer:

OH JD 45 is warm. I am on my way. we are at like 10 degrees below freezing. beem you want to pick me up on the way? sara

[lorettalockhorn]

If I heard correctly last night, the immunity thing is something that the Pros. will give to them if they are called as state's witnesses. Whether they ask for it or not. Simply to keep them from pleading the 5th. They must answer the questions.:eek:

Wouldn't they have learned that early on in the investigation? (I do remember a discussion about a particular type of immunity last night on NG; it's not blanket immunity). Anyway, I was under the impression that Mr. Conway had asked for G&C to receive immunity and that they would be re-interviewed and would no longer give conflicting statements. (Conflicting each other? Or conflicting the truth?)

ETA if they were to take the fifth in the courtroom, they would be risking the jury thinking that either they are lying to protect themselves OR that they are lying to protect Casey (even though that's not really the purpose of the 5th), and might assume the worst. And exact punishment accordingly.

[SaraSidle]

The Liar claims she's as much a victim as anyone.

In this video, it's obvious to me that George is the enabler. First, he's got to call her sternly by her name. Stop the Gorgeous and Beautiful. She's neither, she's one of the ugliest people on Earth. At one point the Liar is angry because she said they had one opportunity to bail her out but they missed it. I believe she was talking about the reward money for Caylee. Liar probably thought C&G had access to it and should have stolen it to bail her out. Afterall, Liar knew it would never be needed.

Gator

Hey Gator I may have missed it when my puter was down but what the heck happened to the reward money? 225,000 dollars

[SaraSidle]

George is practically stuttering to spit out the accolades and other BS. The Cindy in this video is the one that you can sympathize and empathize with.

Gawd, they're talking about how obscene everything is. And that was five months ago. Love how Casey used the word fabricate to describe what is being said about her and the case.

I thought it was interesting when she said to Mom and Dad "think of how I feel. I have been here for a month". better be a life. IMO

[Gatordog]

Hey Gator I may have missed it when my puter was down but what the heck happened to the reward money? 225,000 dollars

There's been no mention of it - I am guessing that it was for the safe return of Caylee, not a body.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

It seems Casey is merely trying to manipulate her way home. . . like she doesn't realize that there is nothing they can do for her. “and by keeping me here your not helping me help myself.” What could her parents have done???? Ugh. Hard to watch her go round and round about herself.

To the credit of George and Cindy, their focus to find Caylee was clear IMO.


“and I know where you are sitting in this. . .” Like Casey has the power of empathy. . . Double Ugh.

It's hard to watch Cindy. . . she knew that Casey could have ended this. . . I really believe that.

There is a “missing” girl at this point and their talking about chili. . . and the Bible. . . not sure I can watch this whole thing!


“I need to be looked at as a victim.” That's a real kicker there. . . :flamemad:

How many times was little Caylee even mentioned???


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I wonder if Casey will ever be given our posts??? :D

Thanks for the link! :seeya:

I would love to be the one to give her our posts just like I would love the Caylee videos play in her room 24/7 with pictures included. like torture but not. maybe she could just tell the truth then. IMO sara