Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[javahog]

what sickens me is that somebody wants to see them. Can't we all figure out what a broken up skeleton looks like? why would we want to see it for real? show some respect for that baby please. imo

I think Loretta hit the nail on the head when she said it was a trick to pay Kronk for his interview, since the policy is they don't pay for interviews.(IIRC, this was used during Anna Nichole fiasco) Silly humans! Bet its just a photo of the woods or whatever, no body. If it turns out he was snapping away while he waited for LE, hang 'em high, far as I'm concerned...

[javahog]

Why couldn't Tim Miller have found her?! Stupid zoo and its machinations...

[SaraSidle]

I think Loretta hit the nail on the head when she said it was a trick to pay Kronk for his interview, since the policy is they don't pay for interviews.(IIRC, this was used during Anna Nichole fiasco) Silly humans! Bet its just a photo of the woods or whatever, no body. If it turns out he was snapping away while he waited for LE, hang 'em high, far as I'm concerned...

hey Java I am starting to wonder if all pix and videos were made up for the money myself. We cannot know yet if they were in the right area until it is confirmed and I have not heard any real confirmation. I could be totally wrong though because this is such a very very strange case which is wearing me out. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

From tonight's JVM:

(About D Casey)

...JEANNINE PIRRO, HOST, "THE JUDGE JEANNINE PIRRO SHOW": All right. Well, first of all, it sounds like complete and utter hogwash to me that someone who`s a private investigator says he`s on the phone with a psychic who`s telling him where to move. And then he says he`s talking to a sick daughter. But here`s the bottom line.

The feds will find out who he was talking to and, if he lied to the feds and said he was talking to his daughter or he was talking to a psychic, then you`ve got him automatically on a crime of lying to a federal officer.

But here`s what makes more sense. You`ve got a private investigator, hired by the defendant`s mother and father, who is in the vicinity, within feet of where the body was subsequently found, stabbing garbage bags. And we know that the skull was found in the garbage bag. That is tampering with evidence, that is, possibly, criminal facilitation after the fact; it`s conspiracy.

Here is a guy who was dead to right, without a doubt, either going to be indicted for information that he had, or he`s going to turn evidence against the Anthonys. There is no confidentiality here. There is no privilege here. This is too close for comfort. And that`s why law enforcement is saying that they now can prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt of intentional murder. It all makes sense, Jane...


...PIRRO: Listen, though. The issue, Jane, is very simple. Whether he`s working under the guise of privilege through the attorney, if he is tampering evidence or obstruction of justice, he gets charged. There`s no protection...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/ijvm.01.html

[javahog]

hey Java I am starting to wonder if all pix and videos were made up for the money myself. We cannot know yet if they were in the right area until it is confirmed and I have not heard any real confirmation. I could be totally wrong though because this is such a very very strange case which is wearing me out. IMO sara

Darn, why didn't I think of this? There are woods out here too, and if the camera is shaky enough...;)

[javahog]

From tonight's JVM:

(About D Casey)

...JEANNINE PIRRO, HOST, "THE JUDGE JEANNINE PIRRO SHOW": All right. Well, first of all, it sounds like complete and utter hogwash to me that someone who`s a private investigator says he`s on the phone with a psychic who`s telling him where to move. And then he says he`s talking to a sick daughter. But here`s the bottom line.

The feds will find out who he was talking to and, if he lied to the feds and said he was talking to his daughter or he was talking to a psychic, then you`ve got him automatically on a crime of lying to a federal officer.

But here`s what makes more sense. You`ve got a private investigator, hired by the defendant`s mother and father, who is in the vicinity, within feet of where the body was subsequently found, stabbing garbage bags. And we know that the skull was found in the garbage bag. That is tampering with evidence, that is, possibly, criminal facilitation after the fact; it`s conspiracy.

Here is a guy who was dead to right, without a doubt, either going to be indicted for information that he had, or he`s going to turn evidence against the Anthonys. There is no confidentiality here. There is no privilege here. This is too close for comfort. And that`s why law enforcement is saying that they now can prove this case beyond a reasonable doubt of intentional murder. It all makes sense, Jane...


...PIRRO: Listen, though. The issue, Jane, is very simple. Whether he`s working under the guise of privilege through the attorney, if he is tampering evidence or obstruction of justice, he gets charged. There`s no protection...


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/ijvm.01.html

it will be cold in prison...

[javahog]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/2691965/detail.html

This is a treat for all you aardvark lovers.............see slide 3.........

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :)

Awww right back at you! Those aardvarks are cute little critters!

But on the other hand, what are the odds? Just what we need another coincidence!

[SaraSidle]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/2691965/detail.html

This is a treat for all you aardvark lovers.............see slide 3.........

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :)

very ugly

[SaraSidle]

LOL!

Mr. Casey, will you be having what Miss Casey is having....FROM THE PRISON MENU?

:punch:


waaay too funny

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/2691965/detail.html

This is a treat for all you aardvark lovers.............see slide 3.........

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :)

What a cutie pie! :tongue:

[mu8shark]

Well hi guys, probably lots of you gone cause I am so late but having trouble with my comp being slow so I will post a bunch of comments in this one post rather than replying to a bunch of past ones. First of all, the fact that Dominic Casey keeps changing his story reminds me of what my father used to say," A lie keeps changing but the truth is always the truth. " If he is going to sue why hasn't he started that in motion yet? I think he is lying. I do think Hoover was trying to sell the tapes and that is despicable but I think Hoover is still much closer to the truth than Casey is. What kind of irks me about the whole damn going to look for a body whether the psychic supposedly lead him there or Caseys friend or whatever is how deceptive everyone associated with the Anthony family was in an effort to save Casey. They knew at least in Nov that Caylee was dead and yet as late as Dec 10 the whole damn lot of them was pushing the mall scenario and the airport lady and they knew , they knew she was dead or probably strongly suspected yet they went on tv and said not"We hope Caylee is alive , but we believe Caylee was alive." I think their silence now while it is certainly grief is embarassment, what do you say when you lead everyone on a wild goose chase. ??? I know some will say that is harsh but since the body has been found they have to know that a lot of people see the whole damn family as patently dishonest. JMO. Also when I heard Kronk was a former bounty hunter it put certain things in perspective, maybe he was a bit obsessed with finding her body and a bit more involved in these calls than the average citizen. After all lots of LE or former LE end up staying interested in true crime. I don't believe any daisy chain at all. If someone had told him the body was there it would be just as easy for him to call LE and say Hey I got a call or someone told me such and such and if LE then found her , he would still be eligible for the reward because he provided the tip that found her. As for this kidnapping charge of his establishing reasonable doubt like I heard one talking head say, Naw, not for this juror. IF he had been accused of kidnapping a child, yea your ears would perk up. But a bunch of boyfriend /girlfriend squabbling and having a third guy the new boyfriend accuse him in a domestic situtation, it is apples and oranges , completely different! And he was not even indicted, the grand jury dismissed it and you know a jury can indict a ham sandwich if it has done something! Also on how Casey got Zenaidas kids names, , she has six children but on the card at Sawgrass or one form she filled out it ask who will be living with you and she put two of her childrens names, which Casey tried to pass off to LE as roommates. I am convinced she saw the card because of this. And finally I see exactly what Jose Bizarre is going for on all this searcher info, he will pick out someone and try to put them in the equation as the some other dude did it defense. If some guy who was searching has a sexual crime in their background or the slightest suspect thing he will try to throw that against the wall as someone who moved the body or did the killing or something like that. HE is reaching though because he has to have a true nexus, not some wild theory with zero evidence. With all the stuff they have to look at, why he would be looking and scrutinizing TES is beyond me. They should not be on trial nor should Ray Kronk but this is typical. Sorry for such a long rambling post but comp is tortureously slow and wanted to say hi and comment .

[lorettalockhorn]

Some people don't have nice things to say about Pirro because of her personal problems; given the fact that her HB is cheating and conniving p***k, she keeps her head up and is still a top dog here in Westchester (and NY in general). I admire her ~ she's smart, and one tough cookie. I just hate that she goes on Geraldo, but she is one of the few women he concedes to! :tongue:

Ooh! One of my favorite L&O:Criminal Intent episodes is Albatross featuring a prominent political woman's womanizing husband. Can't help but wonder if it wasn't somewhat drawn on Jeannine Pirro's life.

ETA that I like JP; she's smart and quick on her feet. Good for her standing up to Whoraldo!

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL!

Mr. Casey, will you be having what Miss Casey is having....FROM THE PRISON MENU?

:punch:

COLESLAW for the two Caseys! I'm buying!!!!!!!!!

[mu8shark]

Oh and also I have heard two different stories on how far this video area was from where the body was found, LP said it was about 12 feet, which is different from what he first said. Dominic Casey said it was about 150 feet according to the reporter who said she does not know what he told LE but what he told her was 150 feet. It was the red headed reporter with the short hair. I do think it is the same general area and not just some wooded area that is completely different (which is what I thought in the beginning). Almost everyone who has seen it reporters, LP and others said there were identifying things in the video.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well hi guys, probably lots of you gone cause I am so late but having trouble with my comp being slow so I will post a bunch of comments in this one post rather than replying to a bunch of past ones. First of all, the fact that Dominic Casey keeps changing his story reminds me of what my father used to say," A lie keeps changing but the truth is always the truth. " If he is going to sue why hasn't he started that in motion yet? I think he is lying. I do think Hoover was trying to sell the tapes and that is despicable but I think Hoover is still much closer to the truth than Casey is. What kind of irks me about the whole damn going to look for a body whether the psychic supposedly lead him there or Caseys friend or whatever is how deceptive everyone associated with the Anthony family was in an effort to save Casey. They knew at least in Nov that Caylee was dead and yet as late as Dec 10 the whole damn lot of them was pushing the mall scenario and the airport lady and they knew , they knew she was dead or probably strongly suspected yet they went on tv and said not"We hope Caylee is alive , but we believe Caylee was alive." I think their silence now while it is certainly grief is embarassment, what do you say when you lead everyone on a wild goose chase. ??? I know some will say that is harsh but since the body has been found they have to know that a lot of people see the whole damn family as patently dishonest. JMO. Also when I heard Kronk was a former bounty hunter it put certain things in perspective, maybe he was a bit obsessed with finding her body and a bit more involved in these calls than the average citizen. After all lots of LE or former LE end up staying interested in true crime. I don't believe any daisy chain at all. If someone had told him the body was there it would be just as easy for him to call LE and say Hey I got a call or someone told me such and such and if LE then found her , he would still be eligible for the reward because he provided the tip that found her. As for this kidnapping charge of his establishing reasonable doubt like I heard one talking head say, Naw, not for this juror. IF he had been accused of kidnapping a child, yea your ears would perk up. But a bunch of boyfriend /girlfriend squabbling and having a third guy the new boyfriend accuse him in a domestic situtation, it is apples and oranges , completely different! And he was not even indicted, the grand jury dismissed it and you know a jury can indict a ham sandwich if it has done something! Also on how Casey got Zenaidas kids names, , she has six children but on the card at Sawgrass or one form she filled out it ask who will be living with you and she put two of her childrens names, which Casey tried to pass off to LE as roommates. I am convinced she saw the card because of this. And finally I see exactly what Jose Bizarre is going for on all this searcher info, he will pick out someone and try to put them in the equation as the some other dude did it defense. If some guy who was searching has a sexual crime in their background or the slightest suspect thing he will try to throw that against the wall as someone who moved the body or did the killing or something like that. HE is reaching though because he has to have a true nexus, not some wild theory with zero evidence. With all the stuff they have to look at, why he would be looking and scrutinizing TES is beyond me. They should not be on trial nor should Ray Kronk but this is typical. Sorry for such a long rambling post but comp is tortureously slow and wanted to say hi and comment .

HAHAHA Not rambling in my book! Good to see you; give you puter an enema and spend 24/7 on here, will ya? :seeya:

I don't believe the daisy chain either, although I don't doubt for a minute that Kronk mentioned the whole shooting match to his supervisor, and I don't doubt that it's possible that it was in turn repeated to the Ants. Just don't see a great big conspiracy here. Good effing grief, wouldn't we all have obsessed over the find?!

I have no idea what Jose is going to use for a defense; just cannot even begin to imagine. No one else was with Caylee. No one else had possession of the car when Caylee went missing. No one else lied to hide the fact that Caylee was missing.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.middle-fork.org/archives/dGumbyTakesAHike.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.middle-fork.org/archives/gumby/index.html&usg=__T4T21a3iu7-XD-HIs7QrvoYa22w=&h=401&w=600&sz=229&hl=en&start=52&tbnid=ApKrhDB9oJk48M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgumby%26start%3D40%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3 D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

This is the only PI in Florida that I'd trust. This photo was taken in December ,also at the scene, but he didn't find anything............WHO do YOU believe?

My loyalty is with Gumby. He's the only one I'd be in the Pokey with! :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

:)
My sister has gone back to Florida.. :tongue: I'm behind a bit but I'll catch up. Yes buy the coleslaw!

LMAO And I'll buy the sheabutter and KY for D Casey.

So does Conway still think Dominic doesn't need an attorney?

[lorettalockhorn]

He is a fine speciman, isn't he? I have him on Friday.....We're going for a romantic weekend in the Poconos, PA.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hotelchatter.com/files/3/champagnesupernova.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hotelchatter.com/city/Scotrun&usg=__3yWdv2HbYq3xEO5se7eGD6bX5po=&h=299&w=400&sz=40&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=_LP_418WusLnhM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchampagne%2Bglass%2Bshaped%2Bjacuzzi% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

don't be jealous! ;)

No Jealousy here, cuz he's taking me to he Bahamas:

http://www.oldbahamabay.com/bahamas-luxury-resort-amenities-photos.aspx

[lorettalockhorn]

Time for me to try to catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzz...goodnite, supersleuths.

catch you all tommorrow!

Sweetie pie dreams! (Like I don't know who you're dreaming about.)

[One2Snoop]

NANCY GRACE

Video Shows PI`s Search of Caylee Remains Site Months Before Body Was Found
Aired January 12, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/ng.01.html

[Amy]

Too bad we can't see the whole video :mad: kathi Belish saw the whole video, (you heard her say) he distinctly said " It should be right here" while he was on the cell phone there. Now, we've got this degenerate changing his story at least three times, he even told Belish he was ruling out the tip from Casey's friend (KIO?) told LE he was talking to a psychic, there was the sick daughter story........

LE, you can bet, has D Casey's cell records at this moment... especially if there is nothing to hide, why hold up the inevitable? They'll just get a subpeona. He must know his ass is grass now!

Interesting thought here..........The cartoon of the the young child with the doll in the noose ( why do people who kill people etc...) on Casey's facebook/myspace page is straight out of Death Wish, the movie. Where do you think that fits in to Casey's scheme? I know the words to the Tupac song gave me chills.......just trying to figure out what it/she meant by posting that also....

whoever thought this case would turn into the circus it's become ...:shrug:

:rose: Caylee

I think the one who is stunned the most (she CAN have emotions that affect HER) is Ms Casey Anthony. Mostly because I don't think she ever would have reported Caylee gone. I think she figured whatever might come up would be a little blip on the radar screen, and she would get on with her life, without a cumbrance in the world.

[Amy]

Hey Mu, nice to see you! yeah, listen to Loretta, she gives her puter enemas all the time, and it works! Or, you can do what I do, and use every curse word known to man, but it doesn't always do the trick..Hmmmmmmmmm

Baez can only try to refute All of the circumstancial evidence, and beg the court for mercy. can't you see it now, him telling the jury what a wonderful upstanding citizen his client has been and....

'oh wait....what am I saying...we're talking about Casey Anthony here....nevermind."

BTW ~ The videos show, and it's been discussed, that D Casey's focus was to use the concrete blocks or whatever they are as a guide...LP said he was looking about 12 feet from those blocks and you can almost see him measuring it out with his feet. Caylee was found approx that far from those blocks. Also the house he was troweling by had those same kind of blocks, and that's where he was! @#$%!

On one of the shows, the blocks were called PAVER blocks, and I tho't of Kitty--she SAID dig up those pavers!!!! So, even tho Caylee wasn't under any of the pavers in the A yard, there were certainly pavers in the picture!!!

[Amy]

NANCY GRACE

Video Shows PI`s Search of Caylee Remains Site Months Before Body Was Found
Aired January 12, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/ng.01.html

I caught the first of the NG show on the second run tonight. I swear, the way she was talking, the NG show was the not only the FIRST, but the ONLY outlet to have those videos to air!!!! She also made it sound like this was breaking news TODAY, like it had NOT been heard anywhere until she brought it to her show. I had already seen it on GVS, so did not stick around. Just can't tolerate super dramatics today.

[sharlock]

Now that would be justice for Caylee.
:beer:

[sharlock]

Loretta you are 100% right. This morning they had Brad Conway on the news saying that Dominick the Donkey may sue Hoover for breach of contract and the Ants may sue him for releasing their property. They are claiming since they hired Dominick and Hoover worked for Dominick, the tape was there. Now hold on one minute here, Hoover was never paid. He volunteered his services. Get this, Hoover shows up at the Ants door and says, hey, I'd like to help you. I'd like to volunteer as a body guard or private investigator. IMO they got what they asked for. Knowing how people were clamoring for info to sell to the media, they take this guy right off of the street.

Pretty soon we're going to have a zoo - we have the Ants, a jackass, a lying hyena, a brother who's a sly fox and now a snake.

Gator
Hi,
I just wanted to comment on this statements from the A's attorney. It is just ridiculous that they would try to say this now when D.Casey clearly said in that interview(where he was trying to distance himself from Hoover) that hoover was not part of his team and didn't work for him. No issues there imo. Oh, and did you see his red red eyes in that interview, looks like someone has been hitting it hard since he heard about the video imo.

[sharlock]

Ah, thanks for the Al Capone Vault, I couldn't remember WHERE Geraldo was standing when he made a fool of himself--just remember that he did, and he seemed to go downhill from there. I don't remember if he was an investigative reporter @ the time, or a wanna be one and fell flat on his face the first go round. Any time I have tho't I'd see how his shows were going, he was making a fool of himself, so didn't bother to watch after a while.

Maybe, because the whole world seems to be "against" Casey Anthony, he is going to be the one to champion the underdog? If he watches his own show AT ALL for a critique--doesn't he see what a dufus he looks like? The one I watched (when they were crying about not getting to the pristine crime scene) he was just being so dramatic about the wrong things.

I think that Geraldo just wants the A's to go on his show when they give their interview. He knows that if he doesn't lean to thwe defense they will shun him. It sucks but if he gets the A's to do an interview it will pull huge ratings for him.

[sharlock]

Oh and also I have heard two different stories on how far this video area was from where the body was found, LP said it was about 12 feet, which is different from what he first said. Dominic Casey said it was about 150 feet according to the reporter who said she does not know what he told LE but what he told her was 150 feet. It was the red headed reporter with the short hair. I do think it is the same general area and not just some wooded area that is completely different (which is what I thought in the beginning). Almost everyone who has seen it reporters, LP and others said there were identifying things in the video.
ITA, the white board nailed to the tree also sounds just like what Kronk described in one of his 911 calls imo.

[Gatordog]

My faith in humanity is restored. Kronk's picture was of a rattler he took in the woods. He was really respectful when talking of Caylee and his story makes sense unlikes so many others in this saga. He looked Robin straight in the eye and only flinched once when she asked him if he was involved in the disappearance. He flinched from the shock of the question. I am so relieved.

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy055.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

P.S. Local news had an explanation for the kidnapping charge back in the '80's. Kronk was in California in the Coast Guard. A former girlfriend asked him to help her move and he did. Her boyfriend found out and he accused him of kidnapping her. He was exonerated.

[SaraSidle]

Ooh! One of my favorite L&O:Criminal Intent episodes is Albatross featuring a prominent political woman's womanizing husband. Can't help but wonder if it wasn't somewhat drawn on Jeannine Pirro's life.

ETA that I like JP; she's smart and quick on her feet. Good for her standing up to Whoraldo!

L&O CI is my favorite show Loretta

[Gatordog]

In the terrible sadness of all this you have again made me laugh Gator. thank you so much for helping me deal with the surrealism of this all. sara

Laughing keeps you young. My mom is 79 and doesn't look a day older than 55. She even has to prove her age sometimes when asking for the senior discount. I hope I have those genes. She says it's because I make her laugh. :D

[SaraSidle]

My faith in humanity is restored. Kronk's picture was of a rattler he took in the woods. He was really respectful when talking of Caylee and his story makes sense unlikes so many others in this saga. He looked Robin straight in the eye and only flinched once when she asked him if he was involved in the disappearance. He flinched from the shock of the question. I am so relieved.

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy055.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

P.S. Local news had an explanation for the kidnapping charge back in the '80's. Kronk was in California in the Coast Guard. A former girlfriend asked him to help her move and he did. Her boyfriend found out and he accused him of kidnapping her. He was exonerated.


you have the cutest smileys!!

[SaraSidle]

Laughing keeps you young. My mom is 79 and doesn't look a day older than 55. She even has to prove her age sometimes when asking for the senior discount. I hope I have those genes. She says it's because I make her laugh. :D

my dad had the sense of humor and I learned a lot from him. he died at 78 from cancer but he always treated people kindly and with his sense of humor when he could. I try it also every day. sara too bad you mom did not know my dad. he also was young looking and thank goodness I have his genes!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gatordog]

Hey Gator

You know that nasty building in the video? Have you seen it? Do you know where it is? There must be a reason el burro was there, maybe the clothes ("they haven't even found her clothes yet") were dumped there?

If there was evidence at both locations, that would sure cap the source....

I haven't gone to look yet but I know it's a vacant house. There is a house on Suburban which on the corner of the street before Hopespring that has a for sale sign. It could be that one.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I think Loretta hit the nail on the head when she said it was a trick to pay Kronk for his interview, since the policy is they don't pay for interviews.(IIRC, this was used during Anna Nichole fiasco) Silly humans! Bet its just a photo of the woods or whatever, no body. If it turns out he was snapping away while he waited for LE, hang 'em high, far as I'm concerned...

Photo was of a rattle snake that he had taken in those woods. :) You have no idea how happy I am about that - I was giving up hope that we would have at least one decent character in his tragedy. His initerview was totally respectful of Caylee and didn't give the defense one heads up at all.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Why couldn't Tim Miller have found her?! Stupid zoo and its machinations...

Too much focus was put on the cell phone pings and the obvious was ignored. Who would think that the Liar would have left Caylee on her own street? Even the psychic would was right there and feeling sick said the body was there but it couldn't be because it was so close to home. I mean, it's close to home. You don't even have to cross any streets to get to it, just walk down the block.

[Amy]

Too much focus was put on the cell phone pings and the obvious was ignored. Who would think that the Liar would have left Caylee on her own street? Even the psychic would was right there and feeling sick said the body was there but it couldn't be because it was so close to home. I mean, it's close to home. You don't even have to cross any streets to get to it, just walk down the block.

I can't remember who was on the NG show w/Tim Miller the time he says that according to statistics, people who kill a loved one are likely to leave (hide) the body "close to home." The other person agreed, and gave percents and all that, I think. This was before Dec 11, but can't remember for sure when. Anyway, guess this was a lot closer to home than they were figuring. And, as you said, I think they were basing their estimation of "how close" by the cell phone pings that led them to the airport area and other areas further out.

[Amy]

Laughing keeps you young. My mom is 79 and doesn't look a day older than 55. She even has to prove her age sometimes when asking for the senior discount. I hope I have those genes. She says it's because I make her laugh. :D


I guess the people around me must be the ones with sense of humor, and should be looking young--they laugh @ me all the time, even when I am downright SERIOUS!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Kronk's GMA interview:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18468376/index.html

[Gatordog]

I think that Geraldo just wants the A's to go on his show when they give their interview. He knows that if he doesn't lean to thwe defense they will shun him. It sucks but if he gets the A's to do an interview it will pull huge ratings for him.

Makes me wonder if Geraldo would stick to his good friend Jose Baez if his name had been John Waverly or something like that?

Gator

[Gatordog]

I can't remember who was on the NG show w/Tim Miller the time he says that according to statistics, people who kill a loved one are likely to leave (hide) the body "close to home." The other person agreed, and gave percents and all that, I think. This was before Dec 11, but can't remember for sure when. Anyway, guess this was a lot closer to home than they were figuring. And, as you said, I think they were basing their estimation of "how close" by the cell phone pings that led them to the airport area and other areas further out.

I remember seeing that I and I think they said within three miles of home.

[jas72]

I caught the first of the NG show on the second run tonight. I swear, the way she was talking, the NG show was the not only the FIRST, but the ONLY outlet to have those videos to air!!!! She also made it sound like this was breaking news TODAY, like it had NOT been heard anywhere until she brought it to her show. I had already seen it on GVS, so did not stick around. Just can't tolerate super dramatics today.

ITA. She begins EVERY show with "Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for little Caylee Anthony." Uh, no. There is no longer a "desperate search" for little Caylee Anthony. Her remains have been found and positively identified. She needs to get a new opening.
I've watched JVM on a few occasions, and when JVM goes to Nacy for her show's promo, Nancy makes it seem as if JVM didn't just cover many of the same things Nancy purports to be "new." When I watch JVM's face while Nancy is talking, I can almost read JVM's expressions as if to say, "Well, duh. We just spend 15 minutes on that, Nancy."

[javahog]

ITA. She begins EVERY show with "Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for little Caylee Anthony." Uh, no. There is no longer a "desperate search" for little Caylee Anthony. Her remains have been found and positively identified. She needs to get a new opening.
I've watched JVM on a few occasions, and when JVM goes to Nacy for her show's promo, Nancy makes it seem as if JVM didn't just cover many of the same things Nancy purports to be "new." When I watch JVM's face while Nancy is talking, I can almost read JVM's expressions as if to say, "Well, duh. We just spend 15 minutes on that, Nancy."

wow, scary. i can actually picture that coming out of the noisy side of her head someday...

[javahog]

Photo was of a rattle snake that he had taken in those woods. :) You have no idea how happy I am about that - I was giving up hope that we would have at least one decent character in his tragedy. His initerview was totally respectful of Caylee and didn't give the defense one heads up at all.

Gator

That won't keep the defense from trying to demolish him in every way. ich, Baez!

But its kind of funny about the snake...a meter reader sees a rattlesnake and says, ooh, cool picture! A cop sees it and says, mommy! and runs (at least that's the movie in my head)

[Gatordog]

see now I thought I heard her say she only saw 12 minutes and heard one statement. isnt that wierd?

Kathi Belich states that she was able to view and listen to the 12 minute tape but was not allowed to record the sound. I guess no money, no sound.

Gator
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/01/13/ng.secret.tape.cnn

[Gatordog]

Well hi guys, probably lots of you gone cause I am so late but having trouble with my comp being slow so I will post a bunch of comments in this one post rather than replying to a bunch of past ones. First of all, the fact that Dominic Casey keeps changing his story reminds me of what my father used to say," A lie keeps changing but the truth is always the truth. " If he is going to sue why hasn't he started that in motion yet? I think he is lying. I do think Hoover was trying to sell the tapes and that is despicable but I think Hoover is still much closer to the truth than Casey is. What kind of irks me about the whole damn going to look for a body whether the psychic supposedly lead him there or Caseys friend or whatever is how deceptive everyone associated with the Anthony family was in an effort to save Casey. They knew at least in Nov that Caylee was dead and yet as late as Dec 10 the whole damn lot of them was pushing the mall scenario and the airport lady and they knew , they knew she was dead or probably strongly suspected yet they went on tv and said not"We hope Caylee is alive , but we believe Caylee was alive." I think their silence now while it is certainly grief is embarassment, what do you say when you lead everyone on a wild goose chase. ??? I know some will say that is harsh but since the body has been found they have to know that a lot of people see the whole damn family as patently dishonest. JMO. Also when I heard Kronk was a former bounty hunter it put certain things in perspective, maybe he was a bit obsessed with finding her body and a bit more involved in these calls than the average citizen. After all lots of LE or former LE end up staying interested in true crime. I don't believe any daisy chain at all. If someone had told him the body was there it would be just as easy for him to call LE and say Hey I got a call or someone told me such and such and if LE then found her , he would still be eligible for the reward because he provided the tip that found her. As for this kidnapping charge of his establishing reasonable doubt like I heard one talking head say, Naw, not for this juror. IF he had been accused of kidnapping a child, yea your ears would perk up. But a bunch of boyfriend /girlfriend squabbling and having a third guy the new boyfriend accuse him in a domestic situtation, it is apples and oranges , completely different! And he was not even indicted, the grand jury dismissed it and you know a jury can indict a ham sandwich if it has done something! Also on how Casey got Zenaidas kids names, , she has six children but on the card at Sawgrass or one form she filled out it ask who will be living with you and she put two of her childrens names, which Casey tried to pass off to LE as roommates. I am convinced she saw the card because of this. And finally I see exactly what Jose Bizarre is going for on all this searcher info, he will pick out someone and try to put them in the equation as the some other dude did it defense. If some guy who was searching has a sexual crime in their background or the slightest suspect thing he will try to throw that against the wall as someone who moved the body or did the killing or something like that. HE is reaching though because he has to have a true nexus, not some wild theory with zero evidence. With all the stuff they have to look at, why he would be looking and scrutinizing TES is beyond me. They should not be on trial nor should Ray Kronk but this is typical. Sorry for such a long rambling post but comp is tortureously slow and wanted to say hi and comment .

Mu8Shark going after all the liars - http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent084.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Photo was of a rattle snake that he had taken in those woods. :) You have no idea how happy I am about that - I was giving up hope that we would have at least one decent character in his tragedy. His initerview was totally respectful of Caylee and didn't give the defense one heads up at all.

Gator

I'm glad to hear it too! I was a bit worried yesterday when I heard about the pic. Thanks for the update. :seeya:

[javahog]

Kathi Belich states that she was able to view and listen to the 12 minute tape but was not allowed to record the sound. I guess no money, no sound.

Gator
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/01/13/ng.secret.tape.cnn

Is it even legal to market a tape showing a crime being committed? "hey, if you pay full price you get full culpability!"

Just imo...

[One2Snoop]

Man who found Caylee Anthony's remains: Deputies made rushed search of area

Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
9:23 AM EST, January 13, 2009

The man who found the remains of Caylee Anthony said on national television this morning that Orange County deputies were uninterested in following up on tips of a suspicious bag he found near the Anthonys' home.

Roy Kronk, the Orange County meter reader who discovered the remains of the missing 2-year-old toddler in a plastic bag on Dec. 11, also told ABC's Good Morning America host Robin Roberts about a kidnapping charge he once faced.

In the televised interview without his attorney, Kronk said he felt deputies were rushed and not thorough in their search for the missing girl. Kronk, 46, made three calls Aug. 11, 12 and 13, less than a month after the girl's grandmother had reported her missing from the Chickasaw Oaks subdivision.

A deputy who had responded to the Suburban Drive area after his first call poked around the water with a metal stick then "swept his head back and forth and said, 'I don't see anything,' and pretty much, that was it," Kronk said.

"I guess the deputy didn't want to go into the water to look at the bag," Kronk said. "The cop was like...I would say, he was kind of rude to me."

The meter reader, who also said he used to be a bail bondsman and bounty hunter, told Roberts he was trying to be a "nice guy" and "instead I'm catching all this [from the deputy]."

"No good deed goes unpunished," Kronk told Roberts about the deputy's attitude.

But Kronk persisted and called again. A detective did not respond, but made a note that the area had been searched by a cadaver dog that found nothing suspicious. After his third call, deputies spent more than an hour in the area and cleared it after only finding trash.

Kronk also talked about a kidnapping charge he faced in the early 1990s. He was accused of kidnapping a former girlfriend, but was never charged, his attorney David Evans said. The case was taken before a grand jury, which decided there wasn't enough evidence to support the allegations.

"It was sealed, expunged from my record and the only reason I came forward with it is because I have nothing to hide," he said.

Investigators with the Orange County Sheriff's Office do not consider Kronk a suspect in the murder of Caylee Anthony.

"I just tried to help put a little closure to that poor child and that she got a decent burial and to end all this," he said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011309,0,1353491.story

[Justice Denied?]

ITA. She begins EVERY show with "Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for little Caylee Anthony." Uh, no. There is no longer a "desperate search" for little Caylee Anthony. Her remains have been found and positively identified. She needs to get a new opening.
I've watched JVM on a few occasions, and when JVM goes to Nacy for her show's promo, Nancy makes it seem as if JVM didn't just cover many of the same things Nancy purports to be "new." When I watch JVM's face while Nancy is talking, I can almost read JVM's expressions as if to say, "Well, duh. We just spend 15 minutes on that, Nancy."

I personally think that one of the reasons NG has such a bad attitude lately is JVM and Robin Meade nipping at her heals in ratings and popularity. she is afraid her time in broadcast journalism has come and gone. After all, she is 50 or close to it and she is no Barbara Walters.

[javahog]

Wow...the Caylee is missing myspace page has info on how you can buy a nifty Find Caylee t-shirt or bracelet...I can understand if they need more money in the fund to pay for the memorial or something, but make it clear if that's the reason, otherwise it sounds so...ugh!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

[javahog]

I personally think that one of the reasons NG has such a bad attitude lately is JVM and Robin Meade nipping at her heals in ratings and popularity. she is afraid her time in broadcast journalism has come and gone. After all, she is 50 or close to it and she is no Barbara Walters.

Its kind of amazing that the network is allowing this redundancy...everyone who precedes her is covering this, so she's got old news by the time she gets on. I wonder if the network has decided she gets paid too much, and its time to push the cheaper staff...

[One2Snoop]

Its kind of amazing that the network is allowing this redundancy...everyone who precedes her is covering this, so she's got old news by the time she gets on. I wonder if the network has decided she gets paid too much, and its time to push the cheaper staff...

It's possible they do it because not everyone watches all the shows or it could be a time issue for some - I know for me it is, so NG typically is the only one I watch even though she does grate on my nerves at times. ;)


And I agree - she does need to change her opening - to Caylee's been found!

[deputydi]

ITA. She begins EVERY show with "Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for little Caylee Anthony." Uh, no. There is no longer a "desperate search" for little Caylee Anthony. Her remains have been found and positively identified. She needs to get a new opening.
I've watched JVM on a few occasions, and when JVM goes to Nacy for her show's promo, Nancy makes it seem as if JVM didn't just cover many of the same things Nancy purports to be "new." When I watch JVM's face while Nancy is talking, I can almost read JVM's expressions as if to say, "Well, duh. We just spend 15 minutes on that, Nancy."

I can't tell you how glad I am someone other than me said it first. I sometimes believe people think I'm picking on Saint Nancy, but she truly gets on my last nerve. She has been using this dramatic opening since Caylee was reported missing in July. I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt since, as I've said before -- her heart is in the right place. I retracted that when she jumped all over one of her guests for calling "tot mom Casey Anthony" by only her first name. Her snide remark to the guest was completely uncalled for and one of the rudest things I've seen her do.

[One2Snoop]

I can't tell you how glad I am someone other than me said it first. I sometimes believe people think I'm picking on Saint Nancy, but she truly gets on my last nerve. She has been using this dramatic opening since Caylee was reported missing in July. I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt since, as I've said before -- her heart is in the right place. I retracted that when she jumped all over one of her guests for calling "tot mom Casey Anthony" by only her first name. Her snide remark to the guest was completely uncalled for and one of the rudest things I've seen her do.

Yup I saw that and thought how bizarre. :confused: Did NG think she was going to uncover some sort of conspiracy going on between Casey and the reporter? Who gives a damn if she uses Casey's first name. We want to hear about the case, not 5 minutes of NG ragging on the poor guest about using a first name.

[Gatordog]

:)
My sister has gone back to Florida.. :tongue: I'm behind a bit but I'll catch up. Yes buy the coleslaw!

Good to have you back full time.

Coleslaw - yes. But as far as Bologna goes, we have enough Baloney in this case to feed six armys.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Wow...the Caylee is missing myspace page has info on how you can buy a nifty Find Caylee t-shirt or bracelet...I can understand if they need more money in the fund to pay for the memorial or something, but make it clear if that's the reason, otherwise it sounds so...ugh!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

They're still advertising that you can buy one :confused: - how tacky and inappropriate!

[crowamongdoves]

I can't tell you how glad I am someone other than me said it first. I sometimes believe people think I'm picking on Saint Nancy, but she truly gets on my last nerve. She has been using this dramatic opening since Caylee was reported missing in July. I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt since, as I've said before -- her heart is in the right place. I retracted that when she jumped all over one of her guests for calling "tot mom Casey Anthony" by only her first name. Her snide remark to the guest was completely uncalled for and one of the rudest things I've seen her do.

ITA I thought the same thing, I'm sure she's called the Liar by her name also.
It makes me so mad when NG asks guests a question then cuts them off without letting them answer it, I think she thinks it makes her look like this big, bad in charge type of woman it just makes me think that she doesn't have any manners what so ever.

[Justice Denied?]

Good to have you back full time.

Coleslaw - yes. But as far as Bologna goes, we have enough Baloney in this case to feed six armys.

Gator

Well slice it up and feed it to the Caseys.

[javahog]

They're still advertising that you can buy one :confused: - how tacky and inappropriate!

Its worse than that- it is not just "still up" it was a new post dated January 13. So it wasn't an oversight, it is NEW! :( see: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=463556442

The fact that it is new bugs me. Who advised this?

[javahog]

ITA I thought the same thing, I'm sure she's called the Liar by her name also.
It makes me so mad when NG asks guests a question then cuts them off without letting them answer it, I think she thinks it makes her look like this big, bad in charge type of woman it just makes me think that she doesn't have any manners what so ever.

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/vader.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[javahog]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html

oooh, disciplinary action!

[javahog]

you're all at a bar and you didn't invite me, huh?http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/mocantina.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[FDInLaw]

They're still advertising that you can buy one :confused: - how tacky and inappropriate!
Not cool. :mad:

[FDInLaw]

you're all at a bar and you didn't invite me, huh?http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/mocantina.gif (http://www.millan.net)

Lovin' the Star Wars icons!!!!!!!!!!!!

:biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html

oooh, disciplinary action!

about time! :beer:

[javahog]

Lovin' the Star Wars icons!!!!!!!!!!!!

:biggrin:

If you're gonna be a nerd, might as well be a BIG one! ;)

And in other news: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html

Scathing e-mail exchange between Cindy and a neighbor, and whoa, she IS defending the Daughter!!! Still. un-freaking-believable. moo

[SaraSidle]

Yup I saw that and thought how bizarre. :confused: Did NG think she was going to uncover some sort of conspiracy going on between Casey and the reporter? Who gives a damn if she uses Casey's first name. We want to hear about the case, not 5 minutes of NG ragging on the poor guest about using a first name.

that was so strange...........IMO

[One2Snoop]

you're all at a bar and you didn't invite me, huh?http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/mocantina.gif (http://www.millan.net)

I'm not at the bar - I was busy doing this, http://i40.tinypic.com/nedu8w.gif this, http://i41.tinypic.com/lcqqh.gif and this, http://i39.tinypic.com/8zitf7.gif http://i39.tinypic.com/21l7w5e.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html

oooh, disciplinary action!

So what are they gonna do? Hit him with his own purse?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2h33rsi.jpg

AHEM That's Deputy Sissy Boy to you ma'am.

[SaraSidle]

I can't tell you how glad I am someone other than me said it first. I sometimes believe people think I'm picking on Saint Nancy, but she truly gets on my last nerve. She has been using this dramatic opening since Caylee was reported missing in July. I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt since, as I've said before -- her heart is in the right place. I retracted that when she jumped all over one of her guests for calling "tot mom Casey Anthony" by only her first name. Her snide remark to the guest was completely uncalled for and one of the rudest things I've seen her do.

i have just been ignoring the beginning and going outside to smoke. imo

[SaraSidle]

They're still advertising that you can buy one :confused: - how tacky and inappropriate!

Not to mention ghoulish imo

[SaraSidle]

I'm not at the bar - I was busy doing this, http://i40.tinypic.com/nedu8w.gif this, http://i41.tinypic.com/lcqqh.gif and this, http://i39.tinypic.com/8zitf7.gif http://i39.tinypic.com/21l7w5e.jpg

Oh O2S I cannot stand the smiley petting the cat. that is the best ever and I love it. thanks......sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow...the Caylee is missing myspace page has info on how you can buy a nifty Find Caylee t-shirt or bracelet...I can understand if they need more money in the fund to pay for the memorial or something, but make it clear if that's the reason, otherwise it sounds so...ugh!

http://www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

At the Help Find Caylee site(the Thank You link): http://helpfindcaylee.usualbeings.com/help.html there is a blurb acknowledging that Caylee is in essence dead, and underneath is information about the trust, which is apparently still taking donations. Honestly, if these monies are going to be used for a funeral, the Anthonys should specifically say so. If he donations are to be used to aid in the search for other missing children, there should be links for people to make direct donations. IMO

[javahog]

I'm not at the bar - I was busy doing this, http://i40.tinypic.com/nedu8w.gif this, http://i41.tinypic.com/lcqqh.gif and this, http://i39.tinypic.com/8zitf7.gif http://i39.tinypic.com/21l7w5e.jpg

How dare you heap on the guilt like that! :patriot:

[javahog]

At the Help Find Caylee site(the Thank You link): http://helpfindcaylee.usualbeings.com/help.html there is a blurb acknowledging that Caylee is in essence dead, and underneath is information about the trust, which is apparently still taking donations. Honestly, if these monies are going to be used for a funeral, the Anthonys should specifically say so. If he donations are to be used to aid in the search for other missing children, there should be links for people to make direct donations. IMO

When I worked for a 501c3 the rules were very strict: if a donation was made for artifact conservation, it could go to NOTHING else. I imagine the rules for something like this are similar. So how can there be no info about the "target" of the donations? This doesn't feel above board. I'm just saying, it should be clarified if even for the Anthony's own sake, otherwise the IRS or who knows what could be very interested...imo

[lorettalockhorn]

If you're gonna be a nerd, might as well be a BIG one! ;)

And in other news: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html

Scathing e-mail exchange between Cindy and a neighbor, and whoa, she IS defending the Daughter!!! Still. un-freaking-believable. moo

There is something ironic about Lois exposing Cindy at this point, considering some of he scathing remarks I've read about her own parenting skills and the way that she has exposed her granddaughter during all this crapfest. I wouldn't be surprised if she has been under some serious scrutiny of childrens' services. She and Cindy are like mix and match outfits cut from the same cloth if you ask me.

Cindy is a lost cause, and I cannot help but wonder if this means that Baez will move ahead with The Nanny Did It Defense?

[javahog]

There is something ironic about Lois exposing Cindy at this point, considering some of he scathing remarks I've read about her own parenting skills and the way that she has exposed her granddaughter during all this crapfest. I wouldn't be surprised if she has been under some serious scrutiny of childrens' services. She and Cindy are like mix and match outfits cut from the same cloth if you ask me.

Cindy is a lost cause, and I cannot help but wonder if this means that Baez will move ahead with The Nanny Did It Defense?

Well, really, what else does he have? On the other hand, he could go with Alien Abduction, it would explain a lot...It was the Grays, the Grays I tell you! please tell me this will be televised!

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, really, what else does he have? On the other hand, he could go with Alien Abduction, it would explain a lot...It was the Grays, the Grays I tell you! please tell me this will be televised!

It's a crying shame that the Anthonys have turned his into such a sideshow.

BTW Don't know if the article stated it, but Lois was dis-invited (ala LP) to the Caylee memorial, and I suppose that could be what started the war of words between the two harridans.

[One2Snoop]

It's a crying shame that the Anthonys have turned his into such a sideshow.

BTW Don't know if the article stated it, but Lois was dis-invited (ala LP) to the Caylee memorial, and I suppose that could be what started the war of words between the two harridans.

http://i40.tinypic.com/opr6n6.gif Not! http://i44.tinypic.com/ddcdnb.gif

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not at the bar - I was busy doing this, http://i40.tinypic.com/nedu8w.gif this, http://i41.tinypic.com/lcqqh.gif and this, http://i39.tinypic.com/8zitf7.gif http://i39.tinypic.com/21l7w5e.jpg

I see no reason why you cannot have a martini and do those things!

http://i41.tinypic.com/2z9cz6a.jpg

[javahog]

It's a crying shame that the Anthonys have turned his into such a sideshow.

BTW Don't know if the article stated it, but Lois was dis-invited (ala LP) to the Caylee memorial, and I suppose that could be what started the war of words between the two harridans.

That's going to be the smallest memorial in history if this keeps up. Poor Caylee. I'll bet she would have loved a big party for her, and she can't have one because Grandma has fish to fry...

[One2Snoop]

Did you hear LP backtracking on the 12 feet comment he made last night? Correction its 150 feet.

NG cut him off and said, "Correction noted"

[One2Snoop]

I see no reason why you cannot have a martini and do those things!

http://i41.tinypic.com/2z9cz6a.jpg

If I had one of those I'd be doing this, http://i40.tinypic.com/2n6x4t3.gif in no time flat LOL.

[lorettalockhorn]

Getting a late start on NG, but (God help me) I agree with Susan Moss that it's a mistake to cremate Caylee's remains just in case an exhumation might at some point shed more light on the cause of death. If forensics developed a new method, for example.

For the record, I have nothing against cremation, per se.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did you hear LP backtracking on the 12 feet comment he made last night? Correction its 150 feet.

NG cut him off and said, "Correction noted"

Nancy cut him off?!?!?!?!

If I had one of those I'd be doing this, http://i40.tinypic.com/2n6x4t3.gif in no time flat LOL.

Nuttin' wrong with that; you work too hard!

http://i23.tinypic.com/i69xy8.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

That's going to be the smallest memorial in history if this keeps up. Poor Caylee. I'll bet she would have loved a big party for her, and she can't have one because Grandma has fish to fry...

Well, look. When this started out, people were falling all over themselves to give the Ants the benefit of the doubt re: their grieving and coming to the realization that Caylee was likely dead. Can they not do the same and let people grieve Caylee in their own way too? Must Cindy be so controlling?

[Justice Denied?]

Getting a late start on NG, but (God help me) I agree with Susan Moss that it's a mistake to cremate Caylee's remains just in case an exhumation might at some point shed more light on the cause of death. If forensics developed a new method, for example.

For the record, I have nothing against cremation, per se.

Maybe that's the whole point. The Anthonys dont WANT anyone to be able to get any more info later.

[One2Snoop]

So they have this supposed psychic person on NG saying she did talk to D. Casey that day he was poking around in the bushes near the anthony home but she's not been able to produce the phone records. Did I hear her say the call wasn't on there? :confused: :rolleyes:

[javahog]

Getting a late start on NG, but (God help me) I agree with Susan Moss that it's a mistake to cremate Caylee's remains just in case an exhumation might at some point shed more light on the cause of death. If forensics developed a new method, for example.

For the record, I have nothing against cremation, per se.

Drew Peterson's murdered wife would still be an accidental drowning if she'd been cremated. But I don't think they need body evidence, they filed on her before they had a body after all, and so far I haven't heard anything that clears her on the body...But grave robbers? What a nutty excuse, imo. How 18th century. No one has disturbed any other famous victims, have they?:confused:

[javahog]

Well, look. When this started out, people were falling all over themselves to give the Ants the benefit of the doubt re: their grieving and coming to the realization that Caylee was likely dead. Can they not do the same and let people grieve Caylee in their own way too? Must Cindy be so controlling?

If its true she's so controlling, it might explain cremation. If Caylee was buried, it would be in a public cemetery. If she's cremated, she can be kept in the house in a nice urn.

[javahog]

So they have this supposed psychic person on NG saying she did talk to D. Casey that day he was poking around in the bushes near the anthony home but she's not been able to produce the phone records. Did I hear her say the call wasn't on there? :confused: :rolleyes:

Maybe she should direct her skills toward finding that call.

But...on the other hand, if you call one of those disposable cell phones, would that turn up on your phone record? Or if you got a call from one?

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe that's the whole point. The Anthonys dont WANT anyone to be able to get any more info later.

That's what I'm thinking. But hey, it cuts both ways. If new procedures are developed down the road, they could possibly clear Casey after she's convicted, and prove Zanny did it.

[lorettalockhorn]

So they have this supposed psychic person on NG saying she did talk to D. Casey that day he was poking around in the bushes near the anthony home but she's not been able to produce the phone records. Did I hear her say the call wasn't on there? :confused: :rolleyes:

Woohoo! I'm signing up with Verizon!! The allow free roaming calls!!! Think of the money I'll save!!!!

And they're green. They don't even waste paper logging the call in.

[SaraSidle]

Well, really, what else does he have? On the other hand, he could go with Alien Abduction, it would explain a lot...It was the Grays, the Grays I tell you! please tell me this will be televised!

oh my goodness it has to be televised IMO

[One2Snoop]

Maybe she should direct her skills toward finding that call.

But...on the other hand, if you call one of those disposable cell phones, would that turn up on your phone record? Or if you got a call from one?

Sorry I didn't catch her name but she told NG she doesn't channel. http://i39.tinypic.com/2jdkmqr.gif

There's no disposable cell phone - I believe she said she uses Verizon.

[lorettalockhorn]

Drew Peterson's murdered wife would still be an accidental drowning if she'd been cremated. But I don't think they need body evidence, they filed on her before they had a body after all, and so far I haven't heard anything that clears her on the body...But grave robbers? What a nutty excuse, imo. How 18th century. No one has disturbed any other famous victims, have they?:confused:

True about the Peterson case. (And would it be in bad taste for me to buy an insurance policy on his fiance??)

I would think that if grave robbing was a clear and present danger, there would be a hole all the way to China where Marilyn Monroe was buried. And Jon Benet and Anna Nicole, etc.

[Amy]

Its worse than that- it is not just "still up" it was a new post dated January 13. So it wasn't an oversight, it is NEW! :( see: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=463556442

The fact that it is new bugs me. Who advised this?

I'm wondering---Maybe they think it's like Elvis or the Beatles memorabilia? It's a national case, many people followed it, but a lot of people weren't in the area so as to "get one" when they were @ the kiosk. So, they are giving people a chance to own a piece of history? And, they can line the coffers for Casey's defense fund. I dunno--just a tho't.

[SaraSidle]

That's going to be the smallest memorial in history if this keeps up. Poor Caylee. I'll bet she would have loved a big party for her, and she can't have one because Grandma has fish to fry...

i think there is quite the memorial where she was abandoned and a lot of love there for her. IMO (thanks again gator)

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe she should direct her skills toward finding that call.

But...on the other hand, if you call one of those disposable cell phones, would that turn up on your phone record? Or if you got a call from one?

On Law & Order, those disposable cell calls are in the wind. :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm wondering---Maybe they think it's like Elvis or the Beatles memorabilia? It's a national case, many people followed it, but a lot of people weren't in the area so as to "get one" when they were @ the kiosk. So, they are giving people a chance to own a piece of history? And, they can line the coffers for Casey's defense fund. I dunno--just a tho't.

The jaded sardonic and downright nasty old codger in me says you are so right.

[SaraSidle]

Nancy cut him off?!?!?!?!



Nuttin' wrong with that; you work too hard!

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LOL loretta NG always cuts off LP. that is why he begs now to be heard.O2S you do work too hard and deserve at least 2 of those. Nice picture of you also. loretta did good. IMO

[SaraSidle]

LOL loretta NG always cuts off LP. that is why he begs now to be heard.O2S you do work too hard and deserve at least 2 of those. Nice picture of you also. loretta did good. IMO

wouldn't it be great if casey was forced to watch that last tape made on father's day of Caylee. and then had to have a serious of pictures posted on the monitor that was showing the tape 24/7. i bet we would be hearing more than we are. nicer than water torture IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't get me wrong, I am so glad that Kronk found Caylee's remains, but I'm kinda with Mike Brooks here (especially after seeing the interview on GMC this morning). Kronk's investigative skills (honed from the Coast Guard and the bounty hunter trade) kicked in and he searched for Caylee based on this; what I got from the interview that this first sighting was no accident. But after three calls to LE, he figured why bother? Or however he phrased it? And then he came back all those months after giving up on LE? Which was it? He gave up, or he didn't? Why the heck didn't he just take some time off from work, or use his weekends to just search for Caylee (okay, the weather), or meet with LE when he first called in? Why didn't he call the media? They would have forced the OCSO's hand. If he was acting on a hunch and is so penniless, why didn't he just institute his own full-blown search, not on county time, and collect the full reward?

[Amy]

So they have this supposed psychic person on NG saying she did talk to D. Casey that day he was poking around in the bushes near the anthony home but she's not been able to produce the phone records. Did I hear her say the call wasn't on there? :confused: :rolleyes:

Maybe it was a telepathic communication? Do psychics NEED phones? Oh, I guess they would, to talk to non psychics, and D Casey would come under that. IMO, if the call wasn't on her OR D Casey's records--as Judge Judy would say--DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!!

[Amy]

Drew Peterson's murdered wife would still be an accidental drowning if she'd been cremated. But I don't think they need body evidence, they filed on her before they had a body after all, and so far I haven't heard anything that clears her on the body...But grave robbers? What a nutty excuse, imo. How 18th century. No one has disturbed any other famous victims, have they?:confused:

If they don't make a big production of the burial itself, and dont start out with a 10 foot high marker, it's likely that most people would not have a clue where Caylee is buried--and, WHY would someone want her poor little bones? (If they want a memento, they could buy one of the t-shirts.)

I was trying to think what other people have been grave-robbed, and I can't think of any. No one has even tried to dig up ELVIS, for pete's sake. Of course, the people who would do that, probably believe Elvis is still alive, and so, of course haven't tried to rob his grave.

[SaraSidle]

Don't get me wrong, I am so glad that Kronk found Caylee's remains, but I'm kinda with Mike Brooks here (especially after seeing the interview on GMC this morning). Kronk's investigative skills (honed from the Coast Guard and the bounty hunter trade) kicked in and he searched for Caylee based on this; what I got from the interview that this first sighting was no accident. But after three calls to LE, he figured why bother? Or however he phrased it? And then he came back all those months after giving up on LE? Which was it? He gave up, or he didn't? Why the heck didn't he just take some time off from work, or use his weekends to just search for Caylee (okay, the weather), or meet with LE when he first called in? Why didn't he call the media? They would have forced the OCSO's hand. If he was acting on a hunch and is so penniless, why didn't he just institute his own full-blown search, not on county time, and collect the full reward?


All wonderful questions as usual loretta. would love to know any answers. did he get the 225.000 reward? does anyone know?

[SaraSidle]

Also why would that psychic lie on NG that she was on the phone with casey when they are saying the phone records do not show it??? and then she blames verizon??????? friend of casey anthony's????????/

[Amy]

Don't get me wrong, I am so glad that Kronk found Caylee's remains, but I'm kinda with Mike Brooks here (especially after seeing the interview on GMC this morning). Kronk's investigative skills (honed from the Coast Guard and the bounty hunter trade) kicked in and he searched for Caylee based on this; what I got from the interview that this first sighting was no accident. But after three calls to LE, he figured why bother? Or however he phrased it? And then he came back all those months after giving up on LE? Which was it? He gave up, or he didn't? Why the heck didn't he just take some time off from work, or use his weekends to just search for Caylee (okay, the weather), or meet with LE when he first called in? Why didn't he call the media? They would have forced the OCSO's hand. If he was acting on a hunch and is so penniless, why didn't he just institute his own full-blown search, not on county time, and collect the full reward?


It just seems to me that, if it was so important to him for THREE contacts w/LE in August, it would be important enough for him to actually ESCORT the officer TO the exact object he was worried about.

And, you do have a point about notifying the media (except he was wanting all this to be anonymous, didn't WANT to meet w/the officer, etc) ---one call to one reporter, and I'm betting that reporter would have been in that area before he could hang up the phone. One would hope that, in that case, the reporter would be one that would NOT mess up the scene, once s/he realized it was for real.

[lorettalockhorn]

It just seems to me that, if it was so important to him for THREE contacts w/LE in August, it would be important enough for him to actually ESCORT the officer TO the exact object he was worried about.

And, you do have a point about notifying the media (except he was wanting all this to be anonymous, didn't WANT to meet w/the officer, etc) ---one call to one reporter, and I'm betting that reporter would have been in that area before he could hang up the phone. One would hope that, in that case, the reporter would be one that would NOT mess up the scene, once s/he realized it was for real.

I always look for your logic! Aren't you thinking though, that if Kronk had called Kathy Belich and told her anonymously or not what he had seen with his own eyes, that she would have hauled ass out there and looked for his clues?

And can we just take a minute here to note how professional and dogged Kathy Belich is? And without being sensational or lurid.

[SaraSidle]

I always look for your logic! Aren't you thinking though, that if Kronk had called Kathy Belich and told her anonymously or not what he had seen with his own eyes, that she would have hauled ass out there and looked for his clues?

And can we just take a minute here to note how professional and dogged Kathy Belich is? And without being sensational or lurid.

ITA loretta

[Amy]

I always look for your logic! Aren't you thinking though, that if Kronk had called Kathy Belich and told her anonymously or not what he had seen with his own eyes, that she would have hauled ass out there and looked for his clues?

And can we just take a minute here to note how professional and dogged Kathy Belich is? And without being sensational or lurid.

His directions would have to have been a little more well, DETAILED than what we heard on the calls, that's for sure. I guess it wouldn't have worked too well, as long as he was wanting to remain anonymous. She certainly would have needed to take a few folks along w/her (several cameramen, not just one?) if she were to meet up w/someone. Or, with her contacts, maybe she could have persuaded someone in LE to look harder.

I guess your logic beat mine by a few points, lol!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

His directions would have to have been a little more well, DETAILED than what we heard on the calls, that's for sure. I guess it wouldn't have worked too well, as long as he was wanting to remain anonymous. She certainly would have needed to take a few folks along w/her (several cameramen, not just one?) if she were to meet up w/someone. Or, with her contacts, maybe she could have persuaded someone in LE to look harder.

I guess your logic beat mine by a few points, lol!!!!

You've asked the good questions here and elsewhere. :beer:

I really think that if Kronk had drawn KB a diagram(literally or figuratively), she would have gone out there with or without him. I'm not sure that we've ever heard or seen transcripts from the 911 calls that weren't redacted. Of course it still honks me off that one of the operators that he talked to didn't seem to catch onto where the heck Hidden Oaks School was. I do think he was up against a very lackadaisical system of dispatchers.

[deacon]

Well, really, what else does he have? On the other hand, he could go with Alien Abduction, it would explain a lot...It was the Grays, the Grays I tell you! please tell me this will be televised!

I am still wondering where they are going to say the money came from to pay this *ghost* nanny. casey has not worked in two years (that we know of or that she can admit) and nannies don't come cheap.

She hasn't stolen that much so where in the ding dong devil did the money come from?

[One2Snoop]

:seeya: THE PSYCHIC DID IT! Yeah, thats it! http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0018.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-winking-smileys.php)


Psychic Confirms She Spoke With Dominic Casey
PI Was In Area Where Caylee's Remains Found

POSTED: 4:50 pm EST January 13, 2009
UPDATED: 4:56 pm EST January 13, 2009

A psychic confirmed to WESH 2 News that she was on the phone with the Anthony family’s private investigator in November as he searched land near where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found.

Ginnette Matcia Lucas said Tuesday that after studying maps of the Orange County area where the Anthonys lived and holding a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee, she had that vivid dream on Nov. 15.

“It actually woke me up at three in the morning,” said Lucas, who is one of many psychics who called authorities and the family during the search for Caylee. (Lucas’ Web site)

She said she was on the phone with Dominic Casey as he searched an area on Nov. 15. Caylee’s remains were found in that area about a month later.

Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, is charged with first-degree murder in connection with her death. Anthony reported Caylee missing in mid-July, saying a babysitter had taken the child.

Sources: Casey PI Talking With Psychic In Video

The Anthony family’s private investigator told authorities he was talking on the phone with a psychic as he searched woods in November not far from where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found, sources told WESH 2 News on Monday.

Dominic Casey can be seen talking on a telephone in video shown this weekend on "Geraldo At Large" on the Fox News Channel.

Another private investigator shot the video that shows Casey coming out of the woods on Nov. 15. Casey told WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing previously that he was talking on the phone with his daughter.

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

Casey's lawyer said Monday that his client did not have prior knowledge of where Caylee's body was, nor did the Anthony family. Brad Conway also said Casey was at the scene checking on a previous tip when he got a phone call, and that he was not talking with anyone in the Anthony family.

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee, whose remains were found in December not far from where Dominic Casey was searching.

Dominic Casey has said he did not find any remains in his search of the woods. He photographed trash, beer bottles, old tires, even a toilet and turned that over to law enforcement.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18472776/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I am still wondering where they are going to say the money came from to pay this *ghost* nanny. casey has not worked in two years (that we know of or that she can admit) and nannies don't come cheap.

She hasn't stolen that much so where in the ding dong devil did the money come from?

& what exactly made Zanny a nanny and not merely a babysitter?

I'm guessing that Casey's source of money to pay Zanny the Nanny was Grammy Plesea at the last point. :confused::shrug::rolleyes: (Still dying to see some sort of forensic accounting and hoping it's one of the holdbacks that the prosecution hasn't "leaked".)

[lorettalockhorn]

:seeya: THE PSYCHIC DID IT! Yeah, thats it! http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0018.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-winking-smileys.php)


Psychic Confirms She Spoke With Dominic Casey
PI Was In Area Where Caylee's Remains Found

POSTED: 4:50 pm EST January 13, 2009
UPDATED: 4:56 pm EST January 13, 2009

A psychic confirmed to WESH 2 News that she was on the phone with the Anthony family’s private investigator in November as he searched land near where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found.

Ginnette Matcia Lucas said Tuesday that after studying maps of the Orange County area where the Anthonys lived and holding a teddy bear that belonged to Caylee, she had that vivid dream on Nov. 15.

“It actually woke me up at three in the morning,” said Lucas, who is one of many psychics who called authorities and the family during the search for Caylee. (Lucas’ Web site)

She said she was on the phone with Dominic Casey as he searched an area on Nov. 15. Caylee’s remains were found in that area about a month later.

Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, is charged with first-degree murder in connection with her death. Anthony reported Caylee missing in mid-July, saying a babysitter had taken the child.

Sources: Casey PI Talking With Psychic In Video

The Anthony family’s private investigator told authorities he was talking on the phone with a psychic as he searched woods in November not far from where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found, sources told WESH 2 News on Monday.

Dominic Casey can be seen talking on a telephone in video shown this weekend on "Geraldo At Large" on the Fox News Channel.

Another private investigator shot the video that shows Casey coming out of the woods on Nov. 15. Casey told WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing previously that he was talking on the phone with his daughter.

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

Casey's lawyer said Monday that his client did not have prior knowledge of where Caylee's body was, nor did the Anthony family. Brad Conway also said Casey was at the scene checking on a previous tip when he got a phone call, and that he was not talking with anyone in the Anthony family.

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in connection with the death of her daughter, Caylee, whose remains were found in December not far from where Dominic Casey was searching.

Dominic Casey has said he did not find any remains in his search of the woods. He photographed trash, beer bottles, old tires, even a toilet and turned that over to law enforcement.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18472776/detail.html

I'm almost afraid to ask where Lucas got Caylee's teddy bear.

[mu8shark]

My faith in humanity is restored. Kronk's picture was of a rattler he took in the woods. He was really respectful when talking of Caylee and his story makes sense unlikes so many others in this saga. He looked Robin straight in the eye and only flinched once when she asked him if he was involved in the disappearance. He flinched from the shock of the question. I am so relieved.

Gator http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy055.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

P.S. Local news had an explanation for the kidnapping charge back in the '80's. Kronk was in California in the Coast Guard. A former girlfriend asked him to help her move and he did. Her boyfriend found out and he accused him of kidnapping her. He was exonerated. I don't see any particular fertile ground with Kronk. I just don't. I thought he acquitted himself well and was fine and totally believable. I also think the fascination he has and being so zealous is because he was connected to LE before as an occupation as a bounty hunter. Today on Headline news a defense talking head said the fact that he took money for this interview or the photos or whatever would really help the defense. I don't see it. As a juror I am not sitting there when I find out he took some money to go on a tv show saying to myself, "This means Casey did not do it." It's absurd. The more I see of him and him coming forward with own past makes me think he is honest and above board. It is more than I can say for any of the Anthonys.

[SaraSidle]

His directions would have to have been a little more well, DETAILED than what we heard on the calls, that's for sure. I guess it wouldn't have worked too well, as long as he was wanting to remain anonymous. She certainly would have needed to take a few folks along w/her (several cameramen, not just one?) if she were to meet up w/someone. Or, with her contacts, maybe she could have persuaded someone in LE to look harder.

I guess your logic beat mine by a few points, lol!!!!

gosh I hope you are not competing or we will be here forever LOL

[mu8shark]

If they don't make a big production of the burial itself, and dont start out with a 10 foot high marker, it's likely that most people would not have a clue where Caylee is buried--and, WHY would someone want her poor little bones? (If they want a memento, they could buy one of the t-shirts.)

I was trying to think what other people have been grave-robbed, and I can't think of any. No one has even tried to dig up ELVIS, for pete's sake. Of course, the people who would do that, probably believe Elvis is still alive, and so, of course haven't tried to rob his grave. Well it is kind of a lame excuse really that they are afraid of grave robbers. Other than the pharoahs of Egypt I can not think of one single grave robbing in notorious cases. Not one. If they want to cremate her they should just say so or do it and not make these idiot excuses. By the way I see from the email that Cindy looks like she will be zero help to LE in a reinterview. Obviously she is still stuck on just getting Casey out of this and not concerned with the truth. If she tries to stay with the nanny story I would play that tape where they ask her if there really is a nanny and she says no, not for a year or so. I am so disgusted again with that whole damn family and what big ass liars they all are. Really the prosecution and some people on this board care more about justice, true justice for Caylee, all Cindy wants is to get her sociopathic B I T C H daughter off. She could care less about justice for her granddaughter. Sorry to be so harsh but I had thought that maybe she and George were going to actually look at the truth and start telling the truth. It is not going to happen as per that email she sent that woman that was aired tonight. I have zero, zero tolerance for this family and very little sympathy at this point.

[mu8shark]

It just seems to me that, if it was so important to him for THREE contacts w/LE in August, it would be important enough for him to actually ESCORT the officer TO the exact object he was worried about.

And, you do have a point about notifying the media (except he was wanting all this to be anonymous, didn't WANT to meet w/the officer, etc) ---one call to one reporter, and I'm betting that reporter would have been in that area before he could hang up the phone. One would hope that, in that case, the reporter would be one that would NOT mess up the scene, once s/he realized it was for real. I think this meter reader did as much as he could. I think in my opinion it would be unrealstic to think he would drop his whole life to do a search or to do anymore than he did,. Hopefully jurors will be focused on what Casey did and that Casey is why Caylee was out there and not be unreasonable in what they expect of the meter reader.

[mu8shark]

One of the most illogical things is that LE can't track any phone calls to or from Zenaida. Now, many of you have children in child care with babysitters, day care , maybe even with nannys. In a two year period that someone watched your child you can't tell me there was never one single phone call. What about calling to tell the the mother the child has a fever and what do you want me to do? Give tylenol, call a doctor, do you want to come pick her up? How many of you call when you will be twenty or thirty minutes late? What if the child runs out of undies or diapers or any supply? I think lost phone or no lost phone this is going to kill her at trial which is why she needs to come up with a totally different story. How about the day that Caylee disappeared? Casey states she called Zanny right? And who wouldn't? Anybody after a while would be concerned.(Notice I said concerned and not jumping to the immediate conclusion that your trusted child care provider had stolen your kid). Where is that phone call in the phone records? Speaking of phone records my cousin works for Embarque and I ask her how likely it would be that the woman psychic called Dominic Casey three or four times on that day and there were no records of the call on the phone bill. She said it is rare but it does happen that sometimes on the bill someone gets billed for a call they did not make or the reverse, but it is rare and if she called a number of times and it is not on the bill , it is nearly statistically impossible.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think this meter reader did as much as he could. I think in my opinion it would be unrealstic to think he would drop his whole life to do a search or to do anymore than he did,. Hopefully jurors will be focused on what Casey did and that Casey is why Caylee was out there and not be unreasonable in what they expect of the meter reader.

I hear what you're saying about Kronk not dropping his whole life except that from what I (for the first time today) gathered was that it was his gut/instinct/training that made him go in search of Caylee's body to begin with. After half-hearted response from LE, and to be honest, half-hearted tries on his part to begin with, he just gave up. Until he came back in December. That just doesn't track for me. He gave up. But then again, he didn't. I don't blame him for not giving up; what doesn't make sense is that he gave up to begin with. (Although I understand self-doubt. Was that the case? Didn't sound like it from this morning's interview.)

Guess what I'm saying is that the more he talks and explains, the more questions I have about what his motivation was. I'm not a Daisy Chain-ist.

[Lodi]

Louis and Ginettes's Paranormal Services

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/about.html

[mu8shark]

It's a crying shame that the Anthonys have turned his into such a sideshow.

BTW Don't know if the article stated it, but Lois was dis-invited (ala LP) to the Caylee memorial, and I suppose that could be what started the war of words between the two harridans.By the way the way that Cindy is using the invites as like a ticket to the biggest social event in town is just f ing disgusting. I mean it is like she is saying If you agree with me and kiss my ass you can come and show your respect and sorrow for my granddaughter. She is a user just like her daughter and seems to be getting some kind of thrill out of being the one who gets to hand out invites like tickets to a ball. For the record despise is a strong word but I find Cindy really really despicable.

[lorettalockhorn]

Louis and Ginettes's Paranormal Services

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/about.html

"the guiding light" :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

By the way the way that Cindy is using the invites as like a ticket to the biggest social event in town is just f ing disgusting. I mean it is like she is saying If you agree with me and kiss my ass you can come and show your respect and sorrow for my granddaughter. She is a user just like her daughter and seems to be getting some kind of thrill out of being the one who gets to hand out invites like tickets to a ball. For the record despise is a strong word but I find Cindy really really despicable.

You know, at this point, I can see complete strangers having a memorial service that would honor Caylee more than what Cindy can produce. She apparently wants to reign over who mourns (how they mourn and why they mourn?).

[mu8shark]

I hear what you're saying about Kronk not dropping his whole life except that from what I (for the first time today) gathered was that it was his gut/instinct/training that made him go in search of Caylee's body to begin with. After half-hearted response from LE, and to be honest, half-hearted tries on his part to begin with, he just gave up. Until he came back in December. That just doesn't track for me. He gave up. But then again, he didn't. I don't blame him for not giving up; what doesn't make sense is that he gave up to begin with. (Although I understand self-doubt. Was that the case? Didn't sound like it from this morning's interview.)

Guess what I'm saying is that the more he talks and explains, the more questions I have about what his motivation was. I'm not a Daisy Chain-ist. I am sure he had other things to do in the interim. According to his lawyer his wife died a while back and he has huge bills, thus the fee for GMA. So I am sure he could not take off work and let his bills slide.I just ask myself what I would do and I might call a few times and go on with my life , then if I happened to be back there , yeah I would probably look again, I would not call and call and give up time from my job, but that is just me. I could not afford it. As for his motivation I think he was just on the fringes of LE, being a bounty hunter and was probably curious and interested. I don't see anything suspicious about him at all , in fact I think that the media is now a bit saturated in covering his every thought and motive when they maybe should be more focused on what more LE knows about Casey now that the forensics are in and I would love to know more about that. But I have a feeling LE is through being forthcoming on details till trial.

[mu8shark]

You know, at this point, I can see complete strangers having a memorial service that would honor Caylee more than what Cindy can produce. She apparently wants to reign over who mourns (how they mourn and why they mourn?). Yes apparently she wants to be Queen of the funerals. If someone does hold their own memorial she will be pissed off and threaten to sue LOL. She is probably too busy right now doctoring her story to get her skank daughter off. You can tell I am in a mood tonight eh? It just kind of shows her pettiness .

[lorettalockhorn]

I am sure he had other things to do in the interim. According to his lawyer his wife died a while back and he has huge bills, thus the fee for GMA. So I am sure he could not take off work and let his bills slide.I just ask myself what I would do and I might call a few times and go on with my life , then if I happened to be back there , yeah I would probably look again, I would not call and call and give up time from my job, but that is just me. I could not afford it. As for his motivation I think he was just on the fringes of LE, being a bounty hunter and was probably curious and interested. I don't see anything suspicious about him at all , in fact I think that the media is now a bit saturated in covering his every thought and motive when they maybe should be more focused on what more LE knows about Casey now that the forensics are in and I would love to know more about that. But I have a feeling LE is through being forthcoming on details till trial.

I don't mean to come down too hard on him (hehehe she said hard on), but I can't help but wonder why he was driven to search half ass for Caylee. What? the guy doesn't have a weekend off? Personal days? Sick days that he could use if he was seriously listening to his gut? Okay, so his wife died and he's down to his last dime; what if he hadn't been the one to find Caylee. He wouldn't have a $20,000 rattlesnake pic in his possession to sell to ABC. What then?

Why not use a weekend and search for Caylee and either find her, or call the top dollar phone number with the tip that LE wouldn't take seriously and get the big bucks?

I'm conflicted after seeing the interview. I don't necessarily think any of this means that Baez can use anything here to impeach Kronk.

[mu8shark]

I don't mean to come down too hard on him (hehehe she said hard on), but I can't help but wonder why he was driven to search half ass for Caylee. What? the guy doesn't have a weekend off? Personal days? Sick days that he could use if he was seriously listening to his gut? Okay, so his wife died and he's down to his last dime; what if he hadn't been the one to find Caylee. He wouldn't have a $20,000 rattlesnake pic in his possession to sell to ABC. What then?

Why not use a weekend and search for Caylee and either find her, or call the top dollar phone number with the tip that LE wouldn't take seriously and get the big bucks?

I'm conflicted after seeing the interview. I don't necessarily think any of this means that Baez can use anything here to impeach Kronk. i feel quite a bit better after seeing the interview that in fact Baez will not have much to work with as far as Kronk. The kidnapping thing prior is just lame, it is totally unrelated to a child, his story sounds reasonable and really all Baez can say is LE missed a good tip. and the meter reader made some money. But I think Baez is going to have lots of trouble impeaching him.

[mu8shark]

I also have my doubts about Dominic Caseys ability as a private eye. I mean he gets his tips from psychics, he tells the Anthonys that everything Casey has said has turned out to to be true! I mean he also was supposedly following the real kidnappers. This guy is a joke , as Loretta said prior when she put up his picture LOL, a jackass. I think a while back I called him a douche bag and I stand by that!

[lorettalockhorn]

i feel quite a bit better after seeing the interview that in fact Baez will not have much to work with as far as Kronk. The kidnapping thing prior is just lame, it is totally unrelated to a child, his story sounds reasonable and really all Baez can say is LE missed a good tip. and the meter reader made some money. But I think Baez is going to have lots of trouble impeaching him.

The kidnapping business is moot. But I'm thinking that Baez will wonder why Kronk criticizes LE for not taking his tips seriously (considering they were based on his correct gut feelings), when Kronk himself didn't take them seriously. And then criticizes LE. Don't get me wrong; the fault here falls squarely in the lap of OCSO and Deputy Sissy Boy. Just think Kronk should have kept quiet.

[lorettalockhorn]

I also have my doubts about Dominic Caseys ability as a private eye. I mean he gets his tips from psychics, he tells the Anthonys that everything Casey has said has turned out to to be true! I mean he also was supposedly following the real kidnappers. This guy is a joke , as Loretta said prior when she put up his picture LOL, a jackass. I think a while back I called him a douche bag and I stand by that!


Attention!! Attention: Dominic Casey

http://i31.tinypic.com/f0zv9x.jpg

[Amy]

One of the most illogical things is that LE can't track any phone calls to or from Zenaida. Now, many of you have children in child care with babysitters, day care , maybe even with nannys. In a two year period that someone watched your child you can't tell me there was never one single phone call. What about calling to tell the the mother the child has a fever and what do you want me to do? Give tylenol, call a doctor, do you want to come pick her up? How many of you call when you will be twenty or thirty minutes late? What if the child runs out of undies or diapers or any supply? I think lost phone or no lost phone this is going to kill her at trial which is why she needs to come up with a totally different story. How about the day that Caylee disappeared? Casey states she called Zanny right? And who wouldn't? Anybody after a while would be concerned.(Notice I said concerned and not jumping to the immediate conclusion that your trusted child care provider had stolen your kid). Where is that phone call in the phone records? Speaking of phone records my cousin works for Embarque and I ask her how likely it would be that the woman psychic called Dominic Casey three or four times on that day and there were no records of the call on the phone bill. She said it is rare but it does happen that sometimes on the bill someone gets billed for a call they did not make or the reverse, but it is rare and if she called a number of times and it is not on the bill , it is nearly statistically impossible.

I'm sure they will say that Caylee was never sick, never ran a temp, so there would be no calls related to that. And, it seems nanny didn't have a life other than taking care of Caylee--so she must have been @ home whenever Casey wanted her to nanny Caylee, and @ home when Casey decided to pick her up, late or not. Well, except for that LAST time. Of course, with Zanny moving around so much, on WOULD wonder how Casey would know where "nanny's home" would be @ any given time. And, we all know nanny wouldn't call about being out of clothes or other supplies, cuz Casey says Nanny had clothes and such @ HER house for Caylee, that's why nothing was missing from Caylee's room.

And, to get back to the phones---since the second phone was procured thru her "work" and it's proven that her "work" was a figment of her imagination, the phone is also a figment of her imagination. With each new explanation, she just dug herself deeper and deeper, IMO.

Good thing the psychic admitted about numerous calls to D Casey--missing one call on the records, yeah, but numerous? Nope. Glad to see your cousin could verify posters' assumptions on this.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm sure they will say that Caylee was never sick, never ran a temp, so there would be no calls related to that. And, it seems nanny didn't have a life other than taking care of Caylee--so she must have been @ home whenever Casey wanted her to nanny Caylee, and @ home when Casey decided to pick her up, late or not. Well, except for that LAST time. Of course, with Zanny moving around so much, on WOULD wonder how Casey would know where "nanny's home" would be @ any given time. And, we all know nanny wouldn't call about being out of clothes or other supplies, cuz Casey says Nanny had clothes and such @ HER house for Caylee, that's why nothing was missing from Caylee's room.

And, to get back to the phones---since the second phone was procured thru her "work" and it's proven that her "work" was a figment of her imagination, the phone is also a figment of her imagination. With each new explanation, she just dug herself deeper and deeper, IMO.

Good thing the psychic admitted about numerous calls to D Casey--missing one call on the records, yeah, but numerous? Nope. Glad to see your cousin could verify posters' assumptions on this.

We all know now that Casey's Zenaida isn't John Morgan's Zenaida, and we'll assume that Casey's Zenaida always rented utility furnished apartments so that there's no record of her residences with the electric, water and gas companies. But surely, what with Casey being the fine upstanding citizen that she is, there are income tax returns on file to show The Real Zenaida's social security number, or something to prove that childcare expenses were claimed. I mean, why would a grifter like Casey let something like that go by the wayside?

[One2Snoop]

It's a crying shame that the Anthonys have turned his into such a sideshow.

BTW Don't know if the article stated it, but Lois was dis-invited (ala LP) to the Caylee memorial, and I suppose that could be what started the war of words between the two harridans.

I was hoping the BH Chronicles would write something up on this latest scam of Lois'....

Emails between Cindy and Lois at this link. You may need to enlarge it to read...

http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/beaconhell/?action=view&current=email.png

Screenshot of the email which states in part:
From Cindy to Lois:

You are truly amazing. You have used Dakota from day one to achieve your own personal agenda. I have not contacted Dakota, in fact she called me at Christmas and wanted me to call her. I responded to your 3 emails begging me to let her come to Caylee’s memorial. You can threaten me all you want, as you have no grounds for anything. And BTW the real media knows you for what you truly are. So continue to hang out with Murt, I knew that you were using Dakota to be in the limelight. You are the one that lied to me you have done nothing but stab me and George in the back. Ask yourself why she keeps running away from YOU. Please do not contact me again.


Granny Lowest Trying to Cash In…Again
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=352

[deacon]

& what exactly made Zanny a nanny and not merely a babysitter?

I'm guessing that Casey's source of money to pay Zanny the Nanny was Grammy Plesea at the last point. :confused::shrug::rolleyes: (Still dying to see some sort of forensic accounting and hoping it's one of the holdbacks that the prosecution hasn't "leaked".)

I guess it was the need to be important. She feels the need to be wealthy, you know, a rich ___ch. The part that is interesting to me is that she calls her a nanny and, at least once, indicated that zanny made her living as a nanny. Her daffinition (not spelling) of nanny isn't the same one I would have either.

I thin Gammy's money went to "party time". The 11 herbs and spices are not cheap from what I have heard. Put with that the nights out at the club(s) and a lot of money goes through your hands. I guess bozo will let us know.

[deacon]

"the guiding light" :eek:

Does that go along with "As My Stomach Turns"?:biggrin:

[deacon]

Bozo's lie will simply that the body was not there for many weeks and showed up there while casey was in jail so she couldn't have possibly moved it. Then, if she didn't move it, she didn't do the murder.

Resonable doubt, all he has to do. Will he win? That remains to be seen.

"She wasn't there, get out of her hair." Or something like that. Forgive me, it is early.

[deacon]

By the way the way that Cindy is using the invites as like a ticket to the biggest social event in town is just f ing disgusting. I mean it is like she is saying If you agree with me and kiss my ass you can come and show your respect and sorrow for my granddaughter. She is a user just like her daughter and seems to be getting some kind of thrill out of being the one who gets to hand out invites like tickets to a ball. For the record despise is a strong word but I find Cindy really really despicable.

Are we suprised by this? I'm not. It fits her personality to a T. It is all about her. She has to be the center of the situation. Anything to make her look important. No one else matters. You see, this is what I think will make her crack one day. There will come a time when her ego is more important than her daughter(casey) and she will "spill" what she knows.

"It is all about me."

[shadydaisy]

One of the most illogical things is that LE can't track any phone calls to or from Zenaida. Now, many of you have children in child care with babysitters, day care , maybe even with nannys. In a two year period that someone watched your child you can't tell me there was never one single phone call. What about calling to tell the the mother the child has a fever and what do you want me to do? Give tylenol, call a doctor, do you want to come pick her up? How many of you call when you will be twenty or thirty minutes late? What if the child runs out of undies or diapers or any supply? I think lost phone or no lost phone this is going to kill her at trial which is why she needs to come up with a totally different story. How about the day that Caylee disappeared? Casey states she called Zanny right? And who wouldn't? Anybody after a while would be concerned.(Notice I said concerned and not jumping to the immediate conclusion that your trusted child care provider had stolen your kid). Where is that phone call in the phone records? Speaking of phone records my cousin works for Embarque and I ask her how likely it would be that the woman psychic called Dominic Casey three or four times on that day and there were no records of the call on the phone bill. She said it is rare but it does happen that sometimes on the bill someone gets billed for a call they did not make or the reverse, but it is rare and if she called a number of times and it is not on the bill , it is nearly statistically impossible.

ITA agree about the phone calls. I used a home daycare when my kids were little, loved the woman, surrogate grandma type, and I called her a few times a day when the kids were really little. It's a mom thing. And other people know about your daycare situation, like who and where she is. The whole story is BS and they need to let it go.

[applesandorange]

Are we suprised by this? I'm not. It fits her personality to a T. It is all about her. She has to be the center of the situation. Anything to make her look important. No one else matters. You see, this is what I think will make her crack one day. There will come a time when her ego is more important than her daughter(casey) and she will "spill" what she knows.

"It is all about me."


I never thought about that but you are soooo right. At some point she will have enough competing with Casey. Casey will do something to tick her off and then she'll spill what she knows. Her ego at some point will trump Casey. This is really a very sad family.

[applesandorange]

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Yes A&O very sad. The world has fallen in love with Caylee and those who are able want to pay their respects. This should be an honor to Cindy Anthony and a great privilege. Those who attend are part of a loving support group, for the most part. I'd take it!

When we lose someone we love we are prone to tradition and we go to the wake and funeral because it is part of the grief process in our society today, and throughout the civilized world. Cindy is denying Caylee the right to be loved and honored. It doesn't matter what she thinks and wants. This isn't about her, AGAIN! There isn't much left for her to control, I suppose.

:read: Catching up.


It's good to have you back! We missed you.

Cindy still seems to think this is HER thing. She's a movie star and SHE gets to send invites to HER fans. All the people who didn't agree with HER are not invited. None of this is about Caylee. Caylee was a 2 and a half year old little girl who would have accepted everyone. At that age kids don't discriminate no matter who the person is. If this was about Caylee at all EVERYONE would be welcome whether there were personal differences between them and Cindy or not. IMO

[applesandorange]

This is OT but I'm happy lol. My boys are on the local news website.

http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/sports/18470384/detail.html

They are wearing their Steelers Jerseys. The caption says the Hunsicker Steeler boys.

[One2Snoop]

This is OT but I'm happy lol. My boys are on the local news website.

http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/sports/18470384/detail.html

They are wearing their Steelers Jerseys. The caption says the Hunsicker Steeler boys.

Thanks for sharing A&O. Too cute! It's picture #25 for those looking - LOL not the guy with the tatoo.

[One2Snoop]

NANCY GRACE

Anthonys May Cremate Caylee`s Remains
Aired January 13, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html

[One2Snoop]

Deputy Who Checked On Caylee Tip ID'd
Meter Reader: Deputy 'Kind Of Rude'

POSTED: Wednesday, January 14, 2009
UPDATED: 7:54 am EST January 14, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange County sheriff's deputy who checked on an August tip made by the meter reader who discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in the same area in December was identified Tuesday by Local 6 News.

Orange County sheriff's Deputy Richard Cain, 40, closed the door of his home when he was confronted by Local 6 News reporter Jessica D'Onofrio, who attempted to ask him questions about the incident.

Cain was hired by Orange County in 2006 and was assigned to patrol the area where Caylee's remains were found. An administrative review is under way to determine if Cain violated any policies when he went to wooded area to check on the tip, which was phoned in by Orange County utility worker Roy Kronk.

In a Tuesday interview on "Good Morning America," Kronk said Cain was "kind of rude."

"There was water there in August, and I guess the deputy didn't want to go out in the water to look in the bag," said Kronk, who phoned in tips about a suspicious bag three consecutive days in August.

After the third call was placed, Cain met Kronk near the wooded area, which is located near the home of George and Cindy Anthony, the grandparents of Caylee, who lived at the home with her mother, Casey Anthony.

"The officer showed up, he pulls out a metal baton (and) went to the water's edge. I pointed in the area where (the bag) was at, (and) he swept his head back and forth and said, 'I don't see anything,'" Kronk said on the national TV show.

In a sheriff's report, Cain wrote that he saw "trash only" while checking on Kronk's tip.

Cain's Professional Standards History report shows that there was a complaint filed against him in 2006 for failing to "properly investigate an incident," Local 6 News reported. The report does not say if Cain had been disciplined for the incident.

Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18477079/detail.html#-

[lorettalockhorn]

I was hoping the BH Chronicles would write something up on this latest scam of Lois'....

Emails between Cindy and Lois at this link. You may need to enlarge it to read...

http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/beaconhell/?action=view&current=email.png




Granny Lowest Trying to Cash In…Again
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=352

Thanks for the links! I'm ashamed to say that I've been keeping up somewhat with all this garbage through beaconhell and TDBS. I still think that Cindy and Lois could be kin.

Honestly, if I was in Cindy's position, I would either go to the public memorial (or not), and just let the bouncers/security people worry about the behavior of the guests. I'd take ten or fifteen mg of valium and just ignore.

[lorettalockhorn]

Does that go along with "As My Stomach Turns"?:biggrin:

LOL Deacon, remember those old Carol Burnett skits? (Just saw an infomercial the other night, you can buy The Best Of on disk now!)

Are we suprised by this? I'm not. It fits her personality to a T. It is all about her. She has to be the center of the situation. Anything to make her look important. No one else matters. You see, this is what I think will make her crack one day. There will come a time when her ego is more important than her daughter(casey) and she will "spill" what she knows.

"It is all about me."

Without an intervention, I don't think Cindy will ever do the right thing for Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

This is OT but I'm happy lol. My boys are on the local news website.

http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/sports/18470384/detail.html

They are wearing their Steelers Jerseys. The caption says the Hunsicker Steeler boys.

Too, too cute! Thanks for sharing.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2u5z9g5.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Deputy Who Checked On Caylee Tip ID'd
Meter Reader: Deputy 'Kind Of Rude'

POSTED: Wednesday, January 14, 2009
UPDATED: 7:54 am EST January 14, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange County sheriff's deputy who checked on an August tip made by the meter reader who discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in the same area in December was identified Tuesday by Local 6 News.

Orange County sheriff's Deputy Richard Cain, 40, closed the door of his home when he was confronted by Local 6 News reporter Jessica D'Onofrio, who attempted to ask him questions about the incident.

Cain was hired by Orange County in 2006 and was assigned to patrol the area where Caylee's remains were found. An administrative review is under way to determine if Cain violated any policies when he went to wooded area to check on the tip, which was phoned in by Orange County utility worker Roy Kronk.

In a Tuesday interview on "Good Morning America," Kronk said Cain was "kind of rude."

"There was water there in August, and I guess the deputy didn't want to go out in the water to look in the bag," said Kronk, who phoned in tips about a suspicious bag three consecutive days in August.

After the third call was placed, Cain met Kronk near the wooded area, which is located near the home of George and Cindy Anthony, the grandparents of Caylee, who lived at the home with her mother, Casey Anthony.

"The officer showed up, he pulls out a metal baton (and) went to the water's edge. I pointed in the area where (the bag) was at, (and) he swept his head back and forth and said, 'I don't see anything,'" Kronk said on the national TV show.

In a sheriff's report, Cain wrote that he saw "trash only" while checking on Kronk's tip.

Cain's Professional Standards History report shows that there was a complaint filed against him in 2006 for failing to "properly investigate an incident," Local 6 News reported. The report does not say if Cain had been disciplined for the incident.

Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18477079/detail.html#-

BOMBSHELL!!!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!! EXCLUSIVE PHOTO of Lameoid OCSO Deputy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i8.tinypic.com/4m94fg7.jpg

[2grayfox]

BOMBSHELL!!!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!! EXCLUSIVE PHOTO of Lameoid OCSO Deputy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i8.tinypic.com/4m94fg7.jpg

That picture was taken when rattlesnakes was mentioned.

[javahog]

Well it is kind of a lame excuse really that they are afraid of grave robbers. Other than the pharoahs of Egypt I can not think of one single grave robbing in notorious cases. Not one. If they want to cremate her they should just say so or do it and not make these idiot excuses. By the way I see from the email that Cindy looks like she will be zero help to LE in a reinterview. Obviously she is still stuck on just getting Casey out of this and not concerned with the truth. If she tries to stay with the nanny story I would play that tape where they ask her if there really is a nanny and she says no, not for a year or so. I am so disgusted again with that whole damn family and what big ass liars they all are. Really the prosecution and some people on this board care more about justice, true justice for Caylee, all Cindy wants is to get her sociopathic B I T C H daughter off. She could care less about justice for her granddaughter. Sorry to be so harsh but I had thought that maybe she and George were going to actually look at the truth and start telling the truth. It is not going to happen as per that email she sent that woman that was aired tonight. I have zero, zero tolerance for this family and very little sympathy at this point.

Hey! Egyptologists are not grave robbers! That as a long time ago! Believe me, when you work there, you do NOT want to find gold, because the bureaucracy gets worse then...

I remember reading that a crew tried to steal Lincoln over a century ago, so he got encased in concrete. And there was a graverobbing ring in (New York?) who got a piece of the Masterpiece Theater host, but it was a,lot of people and to sell bits for research, not for fame.

And clearly, Cindy seems to be in the bag for Casey. I mean, what more could you do to make someone turn on you? If you still get blind support when the worst thing imaginable is done...I could get it if they tried to think she was insane or something, but innocent?! Makes no senseAll imo...and moos

[deputydi]

We all know now that Casey's Zenaida isn't John Morgan's Zenaida, and we'll assume that Casey's Zenaida always rented utility furnished apartments so that there's no record of her residences with the electric, water and gas companies. But surely, what with Casey being the fine upstanding citizen that she is, there are income tax returns on file to show The Real Zenaida's social security number, or something to prove that childcare expenses were claimed. I mean, why would a grifter like Casey let something like that go by the wayside?
I've wondered about how Zenaida was paid? Wouldn't Casey have some sort of record (checks, cash receipts, etc) to show she paid the woman? Oh, wait -- didn't she say Zenaida was wealthy? I'll bet she babysat just for the fun of it.

[shadydaisy]

NANCY GRACE

Anthonys May Cremate Caylee`s Remains
Aired January 13, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html

Aw, too cute. Almost makes me miss having little ones around.

[deputydi]

This is OT but I'm happy lol. My boys are on the local news website.

http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/sports/18470384/detail.html

They are wearing their Steelers Jerseys. The caption says the Hunsicker Steeler boys.

As my location proudly states I'M IN STEELERS COUNTRY and couldn't be prouder!

Here we go Steelers. HERE WE GO!

Thanks for the cool slideshow. Your boys must be very proud to be wearing the colors.

[Gatordog]

you're all at a bar and you didn't invite me, huh?http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/mocantina.gif (http://www.millan.net)

It's been a while since we've all had a round of Haterade!

Gator

[One2Snoop]

BOMBSHELL!!!!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!! EXCLUSIVE PHOTO of Lameoid OCSO Deputy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i8.tinypic.com/4m94fg7.jpg

ROFL Too funny Loretta.

[One2Snoop]

I was hoping the BH Chronicles would write something up on this latest scam of Lois'....

Emails between Cindy and Lois at this link. You may need to enlarge it to read...

http://s276.photobucket.com/albums/kk8/beaconhell/?action=view&current=email.png




Granny Lowest Trying to Cash In…Again
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=352

Thanks for the links! I'm ashamed to say that I've been keeping up somewhat with all this garbage through beaconhell and TDBS. I still think that Cindy and Lois could be kin.

Honestly, if I was in Cindy's position, I would either go to the public memorial (or not), and just let the bouncers/security people worry about the behavior of the guests. I'd take ten or fifteen mg of valium and just ignore.


Ut ohhhh! I just clicked on the blog link and it says "Account Suspended". :eek: Someone must have complained.

[Gatordog]

I've wondered about how Zenaida was paid? Wouldn't Casey have some sort of record (checks, cash receipts, etc) to show she paid the woman? Oh, wait -- didn't she say Zenaida was wealthy? I'll bet she babysat just for the fun of it.

IIRC, in the pages of discovery that were released, she told the detectives that Zenaida watched Jeff's son (think it was Jeff) and then she started watching Caylee and since Jeff paid her, she didn't charge for Caylee. I guess she just loved doing it for nothing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

I am still wondering where they are going to say the money came from to pay this *ghost* nanny. casey has not worked in two years (that we know of or that she can admit) and nannies don't come cheap.

She hasn't stolen that much so where in the ding dong devil did the money come from?

Zenaida didn't accept money for babysitting Caylee. She had a lot of money. She totally outfitted Caylee with everything she would need while she was keeping her, according to Casey.

Something else, I always thought a "nanny" was someone who lived in YOUR home and helped care for your children. When you take your child to them, don't you just say babysitter or day care? Was Casey trying to put on airs or what? Maybe she had a ghost home of her own with her ghost husband and her ghost nanny?

[Mojo]

If you're gonna be a nerd, might as well be a BIG one! ;)

And in other news: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html

Scathing e-mail exchange between Cindy and a neighbor, and whoa, she IS defending the Daughter!!! Still. un-freaking-believable. moo

Peter responded in an e-mail, saying, "I would not want my granddaughter around a person that condones her daughter killing her own child. At least I know where mine is."

ooohhh sweet bust! I'm liking the neighbor :beer:
I have a child and if this was his situation, I'd like to think that I could pull my head out of my azzz and see the facts as the facts.

[Justice Denied?]

I also have my doubts about Dominic Caseys ability as a private eye. I mean he gets his tips from psychics, he tells the Anthonys that everything Casey has said has turned out to to be true! I mean he also was supposedly following the real kidnappers. This guy is a joke , as Loretta said prior when she put up his picture LOL, a jackass. I think a while back I called him a douche bag and I stand by that!

they were watching the "real" kidnappers butsuddenly they just stopped and let them get away? I'll need a quart of pistacio ice cream to swallow that one. Oh well, I guess the psychic can find them again at any time.

[Gatordog]

We all know now that Casey's Zenaida isn't John Morgan's Zenaida, and we'll assume that Casey's Zenaida always rented utility furnished apartments so that there's no record of her residences with the electric, water and gas companies. But surely, what with Casey being the fine upstanding citizen that she is, there are income tax returns on file to show The Real Zenaida's social security number, or something to prove that childcare expenses were claimed. I mean, why would a grifter like Casey let something like that go by the wayside?

She also drove without a driver's license, insurance or a registration on her car. Come to think of it, the Liar said Zenaida's stepfather bought her the car so I guess she can say it was registered in the fake man's name.

Speaking of cars: The liar is 22 years old and was supposedly working at a good job. C&G were the registered owners of her car. Does that mean they paid her insurance also? These people are the dumbest people in the world - they paid every cent of her expenses even though she said she had a good job as an event planner. When I got my first car at 19 years old, my parents said I pay the insurance and registration. Is it any wonder they are in the situation they are in now?

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

I'm sure they will say that Caylee was never sick, never ran a temp, so there would be no calls related to that. And, it seems nanny didn't have a life other than taking care of Caylee--so she must have been @ home whenever Casey wanted her to nanny Caylee, and @ home when Casey decided to pick her up, late or not. Well, except for that LAST time. Of course, with Zanny moving around so much, on WOULD wonder how Casey would know where "nanny's home" would be @ any given time. And, we all know nanny wouldn't call about being out of clothes or other supplies, cuz Casey says Nanny had clothes and such @ HER house for Caylee, that's why nothing was missing from Caylee's room.

And, to get back to the phones---since the second phone was procured thru her "work" and it's proven that her "work" was a figment of her imagination, the phone is also a figment of her imagination. With each new explanation, she just dug herself deeper and deeper, IMO.

Good thing the psychic admitted about numerous calls to D Casey--missing one call on the records, yeah, but numerous? Nope. Glad to see your cousin could verify posters' assumptions on this.

I thought Zanihung around Fusion. Wasn't that why Casey was there looking for clues?

[Mojo]

attention!! Attention: Dominic casey

http://i31.tinypic.com/f0zv9x.jpg


roflmao

[Justice Denied?]

ITA agree about the phone calls. I used a home daycare when my kids were little, loved the woman, surrogate grandma type, and I called her a few times a day when the kids were really little. It's a mom thing. And other people know about your daycare situation, like who and where she is. The whole story is BS and they need to let it go.

When you have a child in day care, there is always something: you forget to put fresh diapers in the diaper bag, the baby spits up on 2 suits of clothes. I once had to take my granddaughter's babysitter a pacifier which had been left at home when her baby was tiny.There are always calls goingback and forth< even if it is just to check.

I don't think Jose will even mention Zenaida. He will put on a bunch of experts to refute the pros experts and try to create reasonable doubt and that will be it.

[Mojo]

Well Folks, it's time.
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and that's all there is to it.
Many of us, myself included, felt that the trauma of caylee's disappearance is what led to Cindy becoming....unstable. I truly believe now, that not only did Casey Anthony inherit her mothers teeth, she apparently inherited her mental Incapacity. Cindy is a few eggs short of a dozen. It's not because of denial or this tragic happening, no, the woman has something wrong with her.

I gave her the benefit of the doubt because I tried to put myself in her shoes, loving Caylee as she does, and finding out she was killed. Not wanting to understand what really went on...but no,this whole story was an accident that was waiting, and DID happen.

I pity George Anthony, living with an emotionally unstable person, dealing with it day in and day out. It's almost no wonder he did things himself (scams etc) because living with this kind of person can make anyone go nuts themselves. I couldn't read Lois's emails clearly, but for CA to even say these things to the woman, shows her rants and raves, and mindset. She is crazy. Believing the nanny (still) did it is a sad sad example of the dysfunction of this family, of this woman. Another example is the cremation of Caylee's remains, for the reason the Anthony's stated.

God help them.

Caylee never had a chance :rose:

Very well said. ITA

[Justice Denied?]

This is OT but I'm happy lol. My boys are on the local news website.

http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/sports/18470384/detail.html

They are wearing their Steelers Jerseys. The caption says the Hunsicker Steeler boys.

Darlin', Darlin' boys!

[One2Snoop]

O/T - found this posted elsewhere and thought I'd share.... :D


How many message board readers does it take to change the light bulb?

One to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.

Fourteen to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

Seven to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

Seven more to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.

Five to flame the spell checkers.

Three to correct spelling/grammar flames.

Six to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...

Another six to condemn those six as stupid.

Fifteen to claim experience in the lighting industry and give the correct
spelling.

Nineteen to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb (or light bulb) forum.

Eleven to defend the posting to the group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this group.

Thirty six to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty.

Seven to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.

Four to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and then post the
corrected URL.

Three to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.

Thirteen to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including
all headers and signatures, and add "Me too".

Five to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

Four to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

Thirteen to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

Three to tell a funny story about their chickens and a light bulb.

Six to post photos of lightbulbs in their avatars with snarky users titles.

four to post that lightbulbs are part of a liberal socialist goverment plan to take over our lighting from the way it was done in the Bible

One to post the various sex acts which can be performed with a lightbulb

One group lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

[applesandorange]

Thanks for sharing A&O. Too cute! It's picture #25 for those looking - LOL not the guy with the tatoo.


Thanks! I didn't know what # it was when I posted this. You are always so helpful :beer:

[applesandorange]

Too, too cute! Thanks for sharing.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2u5z9g5.jpg


Thank you! I'm going to show the blinkie to my 10 year old when he gets home from school. He'll LOVE it! That pic was taken over the summer when he decided he wanted long hair. Ugh.... well you pick your battles. Thank goodness he came to his senses and got the high and tight at the end of the summer while in football camp.

[applesandorange]

Aw, too cute. Almost makes me miss having little ones around.


Thanks Shadydaisy. Well if you ever want to borrow one..... I have a 9 year old girl too.... just saying..... LoL I'm kidding of course

[applesandorange]

As my location proudly states I'M IN STEELERS COUNTRY and couldn't be prouder!

Here we go Steelers. HERE WE GO!

Thanks for the cool slideshow. Your boys must be very proud to be wearing the colors.


I remember seeing that on your profile! I think I commented about it once. I actually went to high school with #35 Dan Kreider. He played as FB for the Steelers. He didn't get resigned this year. My oldest has EVERYTHING Steelers you can think of. He has Dan's autograph on a mini helmet. If I'm ever lucky enough to get tickets to a game I will let you know. Maybe you can give me some tips on where to eat. I live closer to Philly so you can imagine the talk about the turnpike superbowl lol.

[applesandorange]

Darlin', Darlin' boys!


Thank you so much!

[applesandorange]

I'm telling ya, Casey was better off doing this............

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18478620/detail.html

Caylee would still be alive, and Casey could've written a check outta Cindy's acct to post bond.


Geez.... people are crazy!!

[applesandorange]

O/T - found this posted elsewhere and thought I'd share.... :D


How many message board readers does it take to change the light bulb?

One to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed.

Fourteen to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently.

Seven to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.

Seven more to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs.

Five to flame the spell checkers.

Three to correct spelling/grammar flames.

Six to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ...

Another six to condemn those six as stupid.

Fifteen to claim experience in the lighting industry and give the correct
spelling.

Nineteen to post that this group is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb (or light bulb) forum.

Eleven to defend the posting to the group saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this group.

Thirty six to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty.

Seven to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs.

Four to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and then post the
corrected URL.

Three to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group.

Thirteen to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including
all headers and signatures, and add "Me too".

Five to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy.

Four to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

Thirteen to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

Three to tell a funny story about their chickens and a light bulb.

Six to post photos of lightbulbs in their avatars with snarky users titles.

four to post that lightbulbs are part of a liberal socialist goverment plan to take over our lighting from the way it was done in the Bible

One to post the various sex acts which can be performed with a lightbulb

One group lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.


This is sooooo funny! I'm glad this message board is so different than the others.

[browneyes106]

& what exactly made Zanny a nanny and not merely a babysitter?

I'm guessing that Casey's source of money to pay Zanny the Nanny was Grammy Plesea at the last point. :confused::shrug::rolleyes: (Still dying to see some sort of forensic accounting and hoping it's one of the holdbacks that the prosecution hasn't "leaked".)

I guess it was the need to be important. She feels the need to be wealthy, you know, a rich ___ch. The part that is interesting to me is that she calls her a nanny and, at least once, indicated that zanny made her living as a nanny. Her daffinition (not spelling) of nanny isn't the same one I would have either.

I thin Gammy's money went to "party time". The 11 herbs and spices are not cheap from what I have heard. Put with that the nights out at the club(s) and a lot of money goes through your hands. I guess bozo will let us know.

I have always thought it was weird that Casey and the Anthonys referred to Zanny as a nanny. But I agree with deacon Casey probably said that to feel wealthy or to impress people. I think in one of interview George referred to her as a babysitter. In some of the interviews with Casey's friends they too said they found it that Casey referred to Zanny as a nanny. I remember one of Casey's friends said that she always thought nannies lived with families and that is why she found it weird that Casey said she had a nanny. One of casey's friend Troy Brown has a sister who is in graduate school and she was working as a babysitter. Troy felt that his sister wasn't being paid enough and he asked Casey about how she much paid her "nanny" and all Casey said was that she paid her nanny enough and that he shouldn't worry about his sister. I have heard a lot of people use the term nanny simply to be elite. One of my coworker's daughter-in-law is a person who can't hold down good paying jobs. My coworker's son used to be in the military and they lived at a base in Kentucky and his wife was always getting fired from good paying jobs around and outside the base. The husband finally got tired of her and told her to take babysitting gigs on the base and to stay home. His wife only babysat once or twice a week and often she went weeks without babysitting because families on the base didn't need her. The husband eventually got of the military and they moved back here to New Mexico. I met my coworker's son and daughter-in-law at work event and I sort of became friends with them. They became my MySpace friends and I laughed because on the wife's profile she had a picture of her with two small children and the caption under the picture said, "This is Kara and Thomas I use to nanny for them back in Kentucky." I totally laughed because I knew she was only an occasional babysitter for the kids. I think she only used the word nanny to feel special or something. My coworker also saw the myspace picture and said that at most her DIL was only being paid maybe forty dollars each time she babysat those kids. I think people she just the use word nanny to seem they like they are better or the job they are doing is really important.
I think at the trial Baez will probably use the excuse that Casey paid Zanny in cash so that's why there aren't any payment records. But the prosecution will probably question how Casey was able to pay Zanny for services when she had no job. Also there is records that Casey didn't pay the babysitter who cared for Caylee back in late 2005 and early 2006. My theory on the Pleasea money is Casey either used it for partying or to pay her expensive cell phone bills.

[lorettalockhorn]

Five to flame the spell checkers.

Three to correct spelling/grammar flames.




BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA

:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Meter Reader calls to OSCO....

http://i40.tinypic.com/w9fbdi.jpg

http://www.wftv.com/news/18473765/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2dvigqb.jpg

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8244457&version=1&locale=EN-US

[One2Snoop]

RAW INTERVIEW: WFTV Legal Analyst Dissects Roy Kronk's GMA Interview

Bill Sheaffer analyzes the first interview of the man who found Caylee Anthony's remains. (01/13/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18472709/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Equusearch founder heads to Orlando to fight Jose Baez

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8245925&version=1&locale=EN-US

[lorettalockhorn]

RAW INTERVIEW: WFTV Legal Analyst Dissects Roy Kronk's GMA Interview

Bill Sheaffer analyzes the first interview of the man who found Caylee Anthony's remains. (01/13/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18472709/index.html

Omigosh. I'm in love! Buh Bye Gumby!!

Bald head. check
Suspenders. check
Cufflinks. check
Thinks like me. That won't last

Strike that. I'm in lust! http://i37.tinypic.com/2vmyi5k.jpg

[Amy]

[/U][/B]

Yes A&O very sad. The world has fallen in love with Caylee and those who are able want to pay their respects. This should be an honor to Cindy Anthony and a great privilege. Those who attend are part of a loving support group, for the most part. I'd take it!

When we lose someone we love we are prone to tradition and we go to the wake and funeral because it is part of the grief process in our society today, and throughout the civilized world. Cindy is denying Caylee the right to be loved and honored. It doesn't matter what she thinks and wants. This isn't about her, AGAIN! There isn't much left for her to control, I suppose.

Methinks any hystrionics from family or from mourners would take the focus off honoring Caylee, and that is all the memorial should be for. IMO
:read: Catching up.

Just thinking here. A private funeral is that--private, only those "invited" by the family to attend, and each and every person not invited should abide by Cindy's (and George or Lee or Casey if they get a say) wishes on this.

HOWEVER, a PUBLIC memorial is just that--PUBLIC. Seems that it is hard to determine who can or can't go and have it be PUBLIC. If there are restrictions on some people attending, then it becomes PRIVATE--and by invite only. I would think that the A's would not attend the PUBLIC memorial anyway--they would have already had their services, let the PUBLIC honor Caylee in their own way. Without having to worry about a dramatic episode from a bereaved family member who thinks that they have control over WHO should mourn Caylee.

Any hystrionics from family or other mourners would take the focus off Caylee, and the memorial in her honor should focus only on her, and not others. IMO

[One2Snoop]

Omigosh. I'm in love! Buh Bye Gumby!!

Bald head. check
Suspenders. check
Cufflinks. check
Thinks like me. That won't last

Strike that. I'm in lust! http://i37.tinypic.com/2vmyi5k.jpg

Bahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa http://i44.tinypic.com/2lmt6ix.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Equusearch founder heads to Orlando to fight Jose Baez

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8245925&version=1&locale=EN-US

Man, you can count the good guys in this case on one hand, and here's two of them working together. Godspeed

[Amy]

LOL Deacon, remember those old Carol Burnett skits? (Just saw an infomercial the other night, you can buy The Best Of on disk now!)



Without an intervention, I don't think Cindy will ever do the right thing for Caylee.


A DIVINE intervention.

[Spider]

A message to Casey from the "Crazy World of Arthur Brown"

....."And I bring you..........

Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
I'll see you burn!

You've been living like a little girl, in the middle of your little world
And in your mind, your tiny mind, you know you've really been so blind
Now's your time, burn your mind, you've fallen far to far behind....

Fire, to destroy all you've done
Fire, to end all you've become
I'll feel you burn!":flamemad:

Lyrics from 'Fire' by Arthur Brown 1968

[Amy]

IIRC, in the pages of discovery that were released, she told the detectives that Zenaida watched Jeff's son (think it was Jeff) and then she started watching Caylee and since Jeff paid her, she didn't charge for Caylee. I guess she just loved doing it for nothing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing014.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

Hmmm..... two for the price of one, I guess. But, wasn't there something @ the beginning about how she paid Nanny $400 a week? I don't remember if that was in her interview, or if it was a "Cindy said that Casey said" type of thing.

[Amy]

Zenaida didn't accept money for babysitting Caylee. She had a lot of money. She totally outfitted Caylee with everything she would need while she was keeping her, according to Casey.

Something else, I always thought a "nanny" was someone who lived in YOUR home and helped care for your children. When you take your child to them, don't you just say babysitter or day care? Was Casey trying to put on airs or what? Maybe she had a ghost home of her own with her ghost husband and her ghost nanny?

I remember thinking @ the time--nanny's go to the home, and many times, RESIDES in the home except days off. In Kansas, anything else would be "THE BABYSITTER" or the daycare provider. I tho't, what the heck, maybe they do things differently in FL!!!!!

[Amy]

I thought Zanihung around Fusion. Wasn't that why Casey was there looking for clues?

I always wondered when Zanny would have time to hang around Fusion and the other clubs--it must have been during times Casey was there, also, since no one knows who Zanny is or what she looks like--Casey must have seen her there. Now WHERE was Caylee during THOSE times? Did the nanny have a nanny?

[lorettalockhorn]

Just thinking here. A private funeral is that--private, only those "invited" by the family to attend, and each and every person not invited should abide by Cindy's (and George or Lee or Casey if they get a say) wishes on this.

HOWEVER, a PUBLIC memorial is just that--PUBLIC. Seems that it is hard to determine who can or can't go and have it be PUBLIC. If there are restrictions on some people attending, then it becomes PRIVATE--and by invite only. I would think that the A's would not attend the PUBLIC memorial anyway--they would have already had their services, let the PUBLIC honor Caylee in their own way. Without having to worry about a dramatic episode from a bereaved family member who thinks that they have control over WHO should mourn Caylee.

Any hystrionics from family or other mourners would take the focus off Caylee, and the memorial in her honor should focus only on her, and not others. IMO

Cindy can deny that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death until it harelips every cow in Texas, and that's one thing. But to make this public memorial service into some sort of dog and pony show just to exercise her piteous attempt to control the world makes me realize just how impotent and insecure Cindy is.

[Spider]

But really and truly....honestly....Does the defense even have reasonble doubt at this point?

I would love to hear from more folks that know the law better than I do that could perhaps give some understanding as to what, if anything the defense even has at this point.

[Gatordog]

Hmmm..... two for the price of one, I guess. But, wasn't there something @ the beginning about how she paid Nanny $400 a week? I don't remember if that was in her interview, or if it was a "Cindy said that Casey said" type of thing.


I haven't heard or read anything about any money, especially $400 a week.

Gator

[Spider]

I agree with Lorettalockhorn. Cindy is going to turn this into a dog and pny show. I am shocked and awed that tickets are not being auctioned off by the Ants at this point. No....I take that back. Nothing shocks and awes me about this case other than what the defense could possibly have to lean on.

[SaraSidle]

This is OT but I'm happy lol. My boys are on the local news website.

http://www.wgal.com/slideshow/sports/18470384/detail.html

They are wearing their Steelers Jerseys. The caption says the Hunsicker Steeler boys.

waaaay cool a&o. they are adorable!!!!!!!!!!

[Gatordog]

I have some news for you which was just presented on WESH. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Now, I don't want to read more into this than was presented and I don't want anyone to get too upset because we don't know all the facts. A college professor from Canada - already forgot his name - who is also a forensic anthropologist has been added to the defense team to oversee the team's findings. His specific knowledge is in bones which was been burned.

Gator

[Amy]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2dvigqb.jpg

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8244457&version=1&locale=EN-US

So, she got the teddy bear from an intermediary, a "middle man." Wonder who that was? I know in some cases, the family contacts specific psychics, wonder if someone in the family did contact her, as the do ask for something belonging to the victim. If it was just that she was able to get "someone" to get the item for her, guess it's a darn good thing all 1500 psychics didn't have the same idea---there wouldn't have been anything left in Caylee's room for the investigative team!!!!

Wonder if her calls have been discovered on the phone records yet? They weren't there yesterday.

[Gatordog]

It's heartbreaking to think that Cindy wants to pick and choose who attends Caylee's service. At least most of those who would attend would be there out of love-for the right reasons. More than i can say for Cindy right now. I always tried to cut them some slack as well. Days they made me crazy and other's i felt sorry. The sorry days are long gone for me now. She is just as sick as the Liar. :flamemad:

She's acting as if this is a wedding instead of a memorial service. It's disgraceful. The only people who actually cared about finding and putting Caylee to rest are strangers and not her family. George, Cindy and Lee are the ones who should not be there.:cuss:

Gator

[SaraSidle]

you know I think most of you will disagree with me but we are not really getting anywhere dissing Cindy unless it makes you feel good. Not one of us can possibly know what we would do in her shoes at this time.I mean she is trying to struggle with denial and the fact that her daughter killed her grandaughter (who she loved as her own).On top of all that the entire world knows her family's personal business. I know she started it when she wanted help finding Caylee but I know she did not think at the time that things would turn out like they did. between the media,protestors and liars she has to be pretty unstable right now not to mention very broke. everyone is out to make a buck of this story and when people are trying to buy pictures of her grandaughter's bones that might make her paranoid. Yes it would be nice to bury the bones whole for future evidence. but this is not the past with marilyn monroe and jon benet. this is people struggling to buy pictures of a baby's bones for god sake. I may not only choose to cremate little Caylee but keep her remains locked up with all the vultures out there. I may be totally off and Cindy may be as you all feel but when I put myself in her shoes the last 6 months I feel a lot of empathy for her and George. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Omigosh. I'm in love! Buh Bye Gumby!!

Bald head. check
Suspenders. check
Cufflinks. check
Thinks like me. That won't last

Strike that. I'm in lust! http://i37.tinypic.com/2vmyi5k.jpg

you are starting to concen me. Gumby is far cuter and more flexible. sara

[Gatordog]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-011409,0,7346015.story

[lorettalockhorn]

Sara you have such a good heart. The world needs more folks like you. Maybe my opine of Cindy will flip flop again who knows what next week will bring with all this everchanging case. For now tho Cindy makes me very angry. I know i have not walked her walk. I think just folks here are angry with her and the whole mess. Most of this is so hard to wrap your head around. Hope u are staying warm or are icicles hanging off your digits when out smoking too???:seeya:

Hey Beem! Hope this week is better than last.

Just because Cindy is trying her damnedest (it would appear) to take the real focus and real concern off of Caylee's memory, and just because she gets justifiably bashed for it, doesn't necessarily mean that people don't have sympathy for her apparent fragile mental health. Like Amy said, it might take a divine intervention, but she does seem to need one. Maybe George and Brad Conway will attend to her needs and rein her in a little.

[deputydi]

I remember seeing that on your profile! I think I commented about it once. I actually went to high school with #35 Dan Kreider. He played as FB for the Steelers. He didn't get resigned this year. My oldest has EVERYTHING Steelers you can think of. He has Dan's autograph on a mini helmet. If I'm ever lucky enough to get tickets to a game I will let you know. Maybe you can give me some tips on where to eat. I live closer to Philly so you can imagine the talk about the turnpike superbowl lol.
The turnpike super bowl is my dream.

GO EAGLES!

[deputydi]

ITA, This woman is beyond sick. Her hate has done her in and I can't think of anything worse than what has already happened to her family. Maybe she doesn't feel that way? Maybe she needs more Karma? How dare she even attempt to be selective about who goes to honor that beautiful little girl! She is still discrediting that innocent life. She needs to calm down and remember, that "Hate hurts most, the one who hates." Both Casey and Caylee are her victims as far as I'm concerned. She did them both in. Most likely George will roll a seven over this too. He's already had a stroke. Who's next?
I will NEVER see Casey as a victim. Lots and lots of people live through horrible childhoods and they don't grow up to murder their beautiful, innocent little child.

I can take all the dissing of Cindy and I even agree with it sometimes but referring to Casey as a victim is way too over the top for me.

[Woostock]

Old Soul
I totally agree with your assessment of Cindy. She let Caylee down in life and in death. what a whack0ooooooo
I am just catching up with the posts...really great posts from great people.

[Gatordog]

you know I think most of you will disagree with me but we are not really getting anywhere dissing Cindy unless it makes you feel good. Not one of us can possibly know what we would do in her shoes at this time.I mean she is trying to struggle with denial and the fact that her daughter killed her grandaughter (who she loved as her own).On top of all that the entire world knows her family's personal business. I know she started it when she wanted help finding Caylee but I know she did not think at the time that things would turn out like they did. between the media,protestors and liars she has to be pretty unstable right now not to mention very broke. everyone is out to make a buck of this story and when people are trying to buy pictures of her grandaughter's bones that might make her paranoid. Yes it would be nice to bury the bones whole for future evidence. but this is not the past with marilyn monroe and jon benet. this is people struggling to buy pictures of a baby's bones for god sake. I may not only choose to cremate little Caylee but keep her remains locked up with all the vultures out there. I may be totally off and Cindy may be as you all feel but when I put myself in her shoes the last 6 months I feel a lot of empathy for her and George. IMO

Sara, I'm not going to disagree with your opinion you are right on many points. The only thing I can say is most of their problems were self-created, and I'm not talking about the Liar or the loss of their granddaughter. Cindy has attacked those who wanted to look for Caylee's body. The only thing she was consistent about was lying. She tried to confuse the police and hide evidence. I also wouldn't assume that they are broke. If anyone should be investigated for making secret deals or licensing fees for photos it's the Anthonys. Now, I have defended her because I can't imagine the hell they are in but I also know that they have made it worse for themselves and have lashed out at those who really wanted to find Caylee. Cindy goes after anyone who does not support her in her lies or bad behavior. She has yet to come out and thank all the people who traveled and spent their own money during the searches. I feel sorry for their situation, but it could have been easier on them. My goodness, even Tim Miller had to be hospitalized from the stress put on him by the Anthonys.

Gator

[Gatordog]

ITA, This woman is beyond sick. Her hate has done her in and I can't think of anything worse than what has already happened to her family. Maybe she doesn't feel that way? Maybe she needs more Karma? How dare she even attempt to be selective about who goes to honor that beautiful little girl! She is still discrediting that innocent life. She needs to calm down and remember, that "Hate hurts most, the one who hates." Both Casey and Caylee are her victims as far as I'm concerned. She did them both in. Most likely George will roll a seven over this too. He's already had a stroke. Who's next?

George has never had a stroke. The detectives asked him because the Liar said he had a stoke. George said he never had a stroke. Cindy's father is in an assisted living facility due to a stroke.

Gator

[deputydi]

Sara, I'm not going to disagree with your opinion you are right on many points. The only thing I can say is most of their problems were self-created, and I'm not talking about the Liar or the loss of their granddaughter. Cindy has attacked those who wanted to look for Caylee's body. The only thing she was consistent about was lying. She tried to confuse the police and hide evidence. I also wouldn't assume that they are broke. If anyone should be investigated for making secret deals or licensing fees for photos it's the Anthonys. Now, I have defended her because I can't imagine the hell they are in but I also know that they have made it worse for themselves and have lashed out at those who really wanted to find Caylee. Cindy goes after anyone who does not support her in her lies or bad behavior. She has yet to come out and thank all the people who traveled and spent their own money during the searches. I feel sorry for their situation, but it could have been easier on them. My goodness, even Tim Miller had to be hospitalized from the stress put on him by the Anthonys.

Gator
You make some valid points, Gator, but I can't help but think "There, but for the grace of God, go I". I'd like to believe I'd behave with more dignity, but I just don't know.

[One2Snoop]

Psychic's Credibility Questioned Amid Claims She Talked With P.I.

Wednesday, January 14, 2009 – updated: 6:02 pm EST January 14, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered new information Wednesday that raises questions about the credibility of the Virginia psychic who claims she was the one on the phone with the Anthonys' private investigator, directing him around the scene, a month before Caylee Anthony's remains were found there.

WFTV reporter Kathi Belich talked to a family member from another murder mystery 20 years ago who said psychic Ginette Lucas took her money and gave her useless information in return.

PSYCHIC TALKS: Claims She Was One On Phone

Lucas said she was the one directing the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, on the phone in November, but the man who shot the video said Mr. Casey never mentioned a psychic and was secretive about his numerous phone calls.

"She makes you feel like you're her best friend until the money runs out," Mary Thweatt told Eyewitness News.

Thweatt, of Virginia, said a month after her niece was raped and murdered her family desperately turned to Lucas to find the killer. She said they paid Lucas about $5,000 for useless information.

"That it was probably a soldier and he had something red on his sleeve and being that we have four or five different military bases within 75 miles around us," Thweatt said.

Now, Lucas and Dominic Casey claim she was on the cell phone with him on November 15 in the videotape at the scene where Caylee Anthony's remains were found weeks later. Mr. Casey said it was 9:15am and had initially said he was talking to his ill daughter. The psychic says she called him several times, but can't find her phone records.

"At 6:00am, I tried his cell phone," Lucas told Eyewitness News on Tuesday.

The man who shot the video, private eye Jim Hoover, said Mr. Casey has more than one cell phone, which raises questions.

"Who are you on the cell phone with and what cell phone are you using?" questioned WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer.

Thweatt does not believe the psychic's claim that she was on the phone with Dominic Casey in the video.

"To this day, has the murder of your niece been solved?" Belich asked her.

"No," she said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18482075/detail.html#-

[SuzDuJour]

I'm pretty sure that Casey said she paid her nanny very well - it was an interview with one or her friends whose sister (?) had a babysitter and was curious about what Casey would be paying a nanny...I'll look it up and post a link.

I still (sort of tongue-in-cheek) think LenPad has some inside information on D Casey... he did see the video. Maybe he planted a bug in Lee's room while he was in the house...

[Justice Denied?]

you are starting to concen me. Gumby is far cuter and more flexible. sara

Sara, you don't have to worry about Loretta. She is awfully fickle. Just a week or so ago she had a crush on Dr. Joshua Perper. Next week it will be someone else. She doesn't have a faithful bone in her body. LOL

[One2Snoop]

NG just said that Lee Anthony is seeking criminal immunity

Was it Loretta or Gator that said they were psychic.....

[SuzDuJour]

Transcript of interview with Troy Brown (page 3):

His sister, Cara Pletzer, does babysitting. He asked Casey how much she paid the nanny and Casey said, "I pay her a lot. Don't worry, she's fine"

[Justice Denied?]

I have some news for you which was just presented on WESH. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Now, I don't want to read more into this than was presented and I don't want anyone to get too upset because we don't know all the facts. A college professor from Canada - already forgot his name - who is also a forensic anthropologist has been added to the defense team to oversee the team's findings. His specific knowledge is in bones which was been burned.

Gator

I find it hard to believe that the bones could have been burned. I believe that would have leaked out before now.

I hope Cindy never hears that. She will start saying the remains are not Caylee and that she is still alive. suprised she hasn't anyway.

[lighthousedazy]

I remember thinking @ the time--nanny's go to the home, and many times, RESIDES in the home except days off. In Kansas, anything else would be "THE BABYSITTER" or the daycare provider. I tho't, what the heck, maybe they do things differently in FL!!!!!The only time I ever heard "nanny" - In England; In Georgia, where I come from, in Atlanta maybe, where the up and coming young yuppie couple (maybe doctor, lawyer, engineer, business exec., etc) hire an au pair to live in the home and take care of the children and light house keeping while the couple are at work. Caysee Ant was the furthest thing from ever needing a nanny. Spider, I couldn't agree more with your message to KC either. :cuss: jmo

[lighthousedazy]

you know I think most of you will disagree with me but we are not really getting anywhere dissing Cindy unless it makes you feel good. Not one of us can possibly know what we would do in her shoes at this time.I mean she is trying to struggle with denial and the fact that her daughter killed her grandaughter (who she loved as her own).On top of all that the entire world knows her family's personal business. I know she started it when she wanted help finding Caylee but I know she did not think at the time that things would turn out like they did. between the media,protestors and liars she has to be pretty unstable right now not to mention very broke. everyone is out to make a buck of this story and when people are trying to buy pictures of her grandaughter's bones that might make her paranoid. Yes it would be nice to bury the bones whole for future evidence. but this is not the past with marilyn monroe and jon benet. this is people struggling to buy pictures of a baby's bones for god sake. I may not only choose to cremate little Caylee but keep her remains locked up with all the vultures out there. I may be totally off and Cindy may be as you all feel but when I put myself in her shoes the last 6 months I feel a lot of empathy for her and George. IMOSara, I do agree with you, but I am deeply perturbed at Cindy also. I do hope and pray that the devil caysee is going to pay for what she has done. Rest in peace little Caylee. :rose:

[javahog]

I have some news for you which was just presented on WESH. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Now, I don't want to read more into this than was presented and I don't want anyone to get too upset because we don't know all the facts. A college professor from Canada - already forgot his name - who is also a forensic anthropologist has been added to the defense team to oversee the team's findings. His specific knowledge is in bones which was been burned.

Gator

It may not mean she was burned...my osteology professor was an expert in cannibalism and bones, but not every case he worked on involved cannibalism. Almost none, in fact...At this level of forensic osteology, these people know everything, not just their favorite topic...

[lighthousedazy]

I have some news for you which was just presented on WESH. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-shocked001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Now, I don't want to read more into this than was presented and I don't want anyone to get too upset because we don't know all the facts. A college professor from Canada - already forgot his name - who is also a forensic anthropologist has been added to the defense team to oversee the team's findings. His specific knowledge is in bones which was been burned.

GatorThanks Gator. There are less than 60 forensic anthropologists in this country with doctorate degree, ( i read somewhere). In my opinion they are not stupid to not see through Jose Buffoon's malarki. I hope that the prosecution has everything in a row and I think they will. :patriot:

[javahog]

The only time I ever heard "nanny" - In England; In Georgia, where I come from, in Atlanta maybe, where the up and coming young yuppie couple (maybe doctor, lawyer, engineer, business exec., etc) hire an au pair to live in the home and take care of the children and light house keeping while the couple are at work. Caysee Ant was the furthest thing from ever needing a nanny. Spider, I couldn't agree more with your message to KC either. :cuss: jmo

I'm in the SF Bay Area, and everybody uses it out here. Drives me nuts the pretentiousness I keep seeing in my cohort-must have a Prius, must have playgroups, must "baby-wear", no Starbucks, must have 'real' espresso only, must have a nanny, ah, yes, Montessori is the ONLY way to go. Get over yourselves already!! Urrgh. Lemings.

[lighthousedazy]

I will NEVER see Casey as a victim. Lots and lots of people live through horrible childhoods and they don't grow up to murder their beautiful, innocent little child.

I can take all the dissing of Cindy and I even agree with it sometimes but referring to Casey as a victim is way too over the top for me.I apologize, I am behind and trying to catch up. My daughter is a case worker with DCFS and she will tell you that some of her foster kids are as spoiled rotten and only want the best and expensive name brand apparell and also that some of these poor kids with their parents out of the picture and stoned and etc. and leaving the kids to raise themselves can be the best hard working and good children. I do believe some kids are born bad, but most are good. :shrug: jmo

[lighthousedazy]

You make some valid points, Gator, but I can't help but think "There, but for the grace of God, go I". I'd like to believe I'd behave with more dignity, but I just don't know.I agree, I have thought also "There, but for the grace of God go I". If I were Cindy though, I would hide, and grieve, and try to be grateful to everyone that tried to find Caylee. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

Sara, you don't have to worry about Loretta. She is awfully fickle. Just a week or so ago she had a crush on Dr. Joshua Perper. Next week it will be someone else. She doesn't have a faithful bone in her body. LOL

LMAO I can't help it if I'm a flibbertygibbet!!! Next week I'll be back to my one true love























http://i7.tinypic.com/8fov6o8.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

NG just said that Lee Anthony is seeking criminal immunity

Was it Loretta or Gator that said they were psychic.....

I do have "psychic dreams" from time to time, but the only thing I've dreamed about this case is that Baez contended that Caylee was a hologram as a defense. (Which is probably my own mind's inability and/or refusal to understand how anyone could have committed such a heinous crime against such a sweetheart.)

[lorettalockhorn]

It may not mean she was burned...my osteology professor was an expert in cannibalism and bones, but not every case he worked on involved cannibalism. Almost none, in fact...At this level of forensic osteology, these people know everything, not just their favorite topic...

This new addition to the defense team strikes me as one-upmanship. I really think this case could turn on the battle of the forensics experts, and the defense will hope that the jury will be wowed by a string of letters after their witnesses' names.

[Justice Denied?]

LMAO I can't help it if I'm a flibbertygibbet!!! Next week I'll be back to my one true love























http://i7.tinypic.com/8fov6o8.jpg

See, what did I tell you, Sara? She's fickle, fickle fickle! By next week, she'll be back to Gumby.

[javahog]

Thanks Gator. There are less than 60 forensic anthropologists in this country with doctorate degree, ( i read somewhere). In my opinion they are not stupid to not see through Jose Buffoon's malarki. I hope that the prosecution has everything in a row and I think they will. :patriot:

They are not stupid, ita.

The number of forensic anthropologists that self-identify as this is pretty accurate, but it can be misleading. There are other anthropologists with the same skill set, they just don't work with the recently dead or go into court. They just use different titles...plain old human osteologist, physical anthropologist, even paleoanthropologist if they go way back, long list, but most of the same skills...its just a REAL cold case:) (but, and this is gross, I trained on the recently dead-car accident victims were the core of our study collection at Cal. If you want an icky story that would fit right into a House episode, ask me!!!)

[Gatordog]

Drew Peterson's murdered wife would still be an accidental drowning if she'd been cremated. But I don't think they need body evidence, they filed on her before they had a body after all, and so far I haven't heard anything that clears her on the body...But grave robbers? What a nutty excuse, imo. How 18th century. No one has disturbed any other famous victims, have they?:confused:

If the are really concerned about graverobbers they could put her in a crypt. I have relatives were put inside of a crypt in NY and it's just beautiful. There are even sections which are behind a wrought iron gate and you need a key to have access to that hall - the family name on that hall is "Columbo". If their bones are safe, anyone's would be safe. Plus, the only people who ever hurt or were disloyal to Caylee are named Anthony.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Sara you have such a good heart. The world needs more folks like you. Maybe my opine of Cindy will flip flop again who knows what next week will bring with all this everchanging case. For now tho Cindy makes me very angry. I know i have not walked her walk. I think just folks here are angry with her and the whole mess. Most of this is so hard to wrap your head around. Hope u are staying warm or are icicles hanging off your digits when out smoking too???:seeya:

oh beem it is so cold smoking I come in the house just shaking. i would like us to focus on the evidence instead of attacking a possible innocent grieving woman. that is all. my grandmother raised me thank goodness. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Sara, I'm not going to disagree with your opinion you are right on many points. The only thing I can say is most of their problems were self-created, and I'm not talking about the Liar or the loss of their granddaughter. Cindy has attacked those who wanted to look for Caylee's body. The only thing she was consistent about was lying. She tried to confuse the police and hide evidence. I also wouldn't assume that they are broke. If anyone should be investigated for making secret deals or licensing fees for photos it's the Anthonys. Now, I have defended her because I can't imagine the hell they are in but I also know that they have made it worse for themselves and have lashed out at those who really wanted to find Caylee. Cindy goes after anyone who does not support her in her lies or bad behavior. She has yet to come out and thank all the people who traveled and spent their own money during the searches. I feel sorry for their situation, but it could have been easier on them. My goodness, even Tim Miller had to be hospitalized from the stress put on him by the Anthonys.

Gator

I do not disagree with you gator on her behavior but i see it as state of mind not anything more. we cannot imagine her state of mind in any way. imo
I just think we should spend more time on the case and evidence also.

[SaraSidle]

See, what did I tell you, Sara? She's fickle, fickle fickle! By next week, she'll be back to Gumby.



LOL JD That is almost gross. I am still looking more at Gumby

[One2Snoop]

NG just said that Lee Anthony is seeking criminal immunity

Was it Loretta or Gator that said they were psychic.....

I do have "psychic dreams" from time to time, but the only thing I've dreamed about this case is that Baez contended that Caylee was a hologram as a defense. (Which is probably my own mind's inability and/or refusal to understand how anyone could have committed such a heinous crime against such a sweetheart.)

I suck at trying to be funny. :punch: I thought whoever said it was being facetious thus I was being facetious in return. Sorry Gator, hope you weren't offended. :o

[SaraSidle]

They are not stupid, ita.

The number of forensic anthropologists that self-identify as this is pretty accurate, but it can be misleading. There are other anthropologists with the same skill set, they just don't work with the recently dead or go into court. They just use different titles...plain old human osteologist, physical anthropologist, even paleoanthropologist if they go way back, long list, but most of the same skills...its just a REAL cold case:) (but, and this is gross, I trained on the recently dead-car accident victims were the core of our study collection at Cal. If you want an icky story that would fit right into a House episode, ask me!!!)

that is gross java. I did ambulance for 15 years in Ann Arbor Michigan and would not like to repeat it. But House is one of my favorite shows. I think a decomp body is very hard to deal with in transporting. IMO. Are you going for a degree at Cal?

[javahog]

oh beem it is so cold smoking I come in the house just shaking. i would like us to focus on the evidence instead of attacking a possible innocent grieving woman. that is all. my grandmother raised me thank goodness. IMO

You are correct in many ways, sara...I try not to put myself in their position because it is to horrible to contemplate, but I can imagine that I would be so afraid and angry that it would express itself in unpleasant ways. And if money were an issue on top of it (I bet Baez took the licensing money as his fee) that the added frantic money issue could also express in odd ways. I like to think I would let justice have my daughter, but who knows? How easy would it be to accept that your little tiny baby could grow into a killer?

If they are innocent, they must just be doing terribly right now. Ripped off in the Nigerian scam, broke, near divorce, the father having a stroke and being in a "home", an unplanned pregnancy with their daughter, a missing and then dead granddaughter, and now a daughter up for murder one. What a nightmare...

[One2Snoop]

If the are really concerned about graverobbers they could put her in a crypt. I have relatives were put inside of a crypt in NY and it's just beautiful. There are even sections which are behind a wrought iron gate and you need a key to have access to that hall - the family name on that hall is "Columbo". If their bones are safe, anyone's would be safe. Plus, the only people who ever hurt or were disloyal to Caylee are named Anthony.

Gator

I was just thinking that same thing earlier - ITA, in particular with your last sentence.

[javahog]

that is gross java. I did ambulance for 15 years in Ann Arbor Michigan and would not like to repeat it. But House is one of my favorite shows. I think a decomp body is very hard to deal with in transporting. IMO. Are you going for a degree at Cal?

Eww, no "wet" bodies for me! I should have clarified, these were the bones of car accident victims (we had no tibias to work on, can you guess why?) I only work with mummies and bones (I am an archaeologist who specializes in Egypt, Ba '93 and MA '98, both from Cal...)And since everyone feels the need to express sports loyalties today...

GO BEARS! BEAT STANFORD! GRRR-AH!

I feel better now:) (ps, don't hate me Stanford alums-many friends there!)

[twinzmama]

Sara, I'm not going to disagree with your opinion you are right on many points. The only thing I can say is most of their problems were self-created, and I'm not talking about the Liar or the loss of their granddaughter. Cindy has attacked those who wanted to look for Caylee's body. The only thing she was consistent about was lying. She tried to confuse the police and hide evidence. I also wouldn't assume that they are broke. If anyone should be investigated for making secret deals or licensing fees for photos it's the Anthonys. Now, I have defended her because I can't imagine the hell they are in but I also know that they have made it worse for themselves and have lashed out at those who really wanted to find Caylee. Cindy goes after anyone who does not support her in her lies or bad behavior. She has yet to come out and thank all the people who traveled and spent their own money during the searches. I feel sorry for their situation, but it could have been easier on them. My goodness, even Tim Miller had to be hospitalized from the stress put on him by the Anthonys.

Gator

Cindy has lied about the same amount as Casey. Cindy's continued support of her grandchild's murderer is sickening. For all those who believe oh she is in denial, or oh she feels Casey is truly innocent, or Cindy's dribble that Casey is or was a good daughter and good mother, you may want to reread Cindy's myspace page from July 3rd BEFORE SHE EVEN THOUGHT SHE WAS KIDNAPPED BY THE FAKE BABYSITTER:

Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught
She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Who is now watching out for the little angel?
Yeah, who INDEED, certainly not her grandmother.
Sound like a good daughter, good mother to you???
I bet if all the forensic evidence were in Zenaida's car or Zenaida was the person parked in "the jail" Cindy Anthony would be on every national news media outlet SHOUTING FOR JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!!!

[Gatordog]

You know, at this point, I can see complete strangers having a memorial service that would honor Caylee more than what Cindy can produce. She apparently wants to reign over who mourns (how they mourn and why they mourn?).

The service that Padilla held in Jay Blanchard Park was more honest and heartfelt than any production the Ants will put on.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Sara.............I posted quite a bit on here recently on how tormented it must feel to be Cindy Anthony. My sympathies were with them the whole while, as I put myself in Cindy's position, and could not fathom everything Casey has done. That includes before June and since.

The line has been crossed. Caylee has been found dead by someone else's hand. At some point in her/our grief, we have to acknowledge the truth and allow Caylee's Memory and Light to shine. That is what a memorial is for. laci Peterson's memorial comes to mind ~ It was beautiful and honored her life, though short.

Loretta, your post was right on re: Cindy's fragile mental Health. The woman is obviously unstable, and while my heart hurts for them all, I cannot condone her actions any longer. That is not dissing or bashing~ you are right, my Gumby woman.

deputydi.... you probably would behave with 'more dignity', as many of us would try to do ~ you are a kind, giving person by all accounts, and that's my point. Cindy is not just griefstricken and in denial..she is unbalanced, and always has been.

Gator....you have been there to see things firsthand, meeting up with Cindy. Your posting has given us so much, because of your opinions, and being there giving us information. I still remember how upset you were upon that day..reaching out of the goodness of your heart and practically having your hand slapped away.

Caylee's memorial should have bells ringing and people singing and love and light for a child who's life has touched this world in a way that we may not even understand till later in our lives.

Cindy Anthony has no right to take that away from her too ~ as her daughter Casey took Caylee's life ~ out of selfishness.

:rose:
:beer: Haterade for all !


dear old soul I do believe you are a dear soul (not necessarily old) from all your posts. and you can say for you a line has been crossed but not for me. As you say above to Loretta Cindy is in "fragile mental health" makes my point. None of us know what she has been through or is going through and it is not fair to make judgements. opinions are one thing but I wish we could spend more time on the case and evidence and let Cindy be for now. IMO

[SaraSidle]

The service that Padilla held in Jay Blanchard Park was more honest and heartfelt than any production the Ants will put on.

Gator

I still feel the best memorial was at the roadside from your pictures gator not to mention the seeds. that is so touching. imo

[SaraSidle]

Eww, no "wet" bodies for me! I should have clarified, these were the bones of car accident victims (we had no tibias to work on, can you guess why?) I only work with mummies and bones (I am an archaeologist who specializes in Egypt, Ba '93 and MA '98, both from Cal...)And since everyone feels the need to express sports loyalties today...

GO BEARS! BEAT STANFORD! GRRR-AH!

I feel better now:) (ps, don't hate me Stanford alums-many friends there!)

what a great career move Java. I am jealous. much more interesting than anything I have done. okay I have tried and tried. what happened to th e tibias? and were the fibulas still there? too bad you are not more involved here!!!IMO

[SaraSidle]

I suck at trying to be funny. :punch: I thought whoever said it was being facetious thus I was being facetious in return. Sorry Gator, hope you weren't offended. :o

you do not suck at being funny. you have a great sense of humor which is needed especially in a case like this. lots of opinions and sarcasm but we never argue with each other still which I think is great. keeps the thread open and we keep learning. especially from you and Loretta and gator IMO

[SaraSidle]

Sara, you don't have to worry about Loretta. She is awfully fickle. Just a week or so ago she had a crush on Dr. Joshua Perper. Next week it will be someone else. She doesn't have a faithful bone in her body. LOL

I am starting to notice the fickleness JD. I am hoping she keeps it simple and I do not mean LP next................:shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

I still feel the best memorial was at the roadside from your pictures gator not to mention the seeds. that is so touching. imoI agree. Gator, I really appreciate the pics.

[javahog]

what a great career move Java. I am jealous. much more interesting than anything I have done. okay I have tried and tried. what happened to th e tibias? and were the fibulas still there? too bad you are not more involved here!!!IMO

Pedestrians + bumpers = tibias (and fibulas) straight to the pathology teaching collection...and you'll keep seeing more of me than you can stand! I'm currently a stay at home mom, and crime is actually darn close to archaeology. Just, you know, wetter...and angrier...

[lorettalockhorn]

I suck at trying to be funny. :punch: I thought whoever said it was being facetious thus I was being facetious in return. Sorry Gator, hope you weren't offended. :o

Now wait just a darned minute!!! What about my feelings?!?!?!

You know I love your sense of humor! :tongue: And I probably shouldn't tell people that I think I'm psychic. But Leroy knows it's true. I can always tell when he's pulling my leg about dumbarse things like being innocent of unplugging the garage freezer and letting my beautifully organized, alphabetized and stacked in reverse chronological order foodstuffs thaw. :flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

You are correct in many ways, sara...I try not to put myself in their position because it is to horrible to contemplate, but I can imagine that I would be so afraid and angry that it would express itself in unpleasant ways. And if money were an issue on top of it (I bet Baez took the licensing money as his fee) that the added frantic money issue could also express in odd ways. I like to think I would let justice have my daughter, but who knows? How easy would it be to accept that your little tiny baby could grow into a killer?

If they are innocent, they must just be doing terribly right now. Ripped off in the Nigerian scam, broke, near divorce, the father having a stroke and being in a "home", an unplanned pregnancy with their daughter, a missing and then dead granddaughter, and now a daughter up for murder one. What a nightmare...

Man, oh man I do believe that the life of the Ants must truly be a nightmare. But who'da thunk that their solution would be to obstruct justice in this case? (And I do believe that they have.) Why not just say as little as possible and let nature take its course?

I think there are some mammoth egos in this family who think they can outsmart LE and The State.

[lorettalockhorn]

i was just thinking that same thing earlier - ita, in particular with your last sentence.

ditto

[Gatordog]

Sara.............I posted quite a bit on here recently on how tormented it must feel to be Cindy Anthony. My sympathies were with them the whole while, as I put myself in Cindy's position, and could not fathom everything Casey has done. That includes before June and since.

The line has been crossed. Caylee has been found dead by someone else's hand. At some point in her/our grief, we have to acknowledge the truth and allow Caylee's Memory and Light to shine. That is what a memorial is for. laci Peterson's memorial comes to mind ~ It was beautiful and honored her life, though short.

Loretta, your post was right on re: Cindy's fragile mental Health. The woman is obviously unstable, and while my heart hurts for them all, I cannot condone her actions any longer. That is not dissing or bashing~ you are right, my Gumby woman.

deputydi.... you probably would behave with 'more dignity', as many of us would try to do ~ you are a kind, giving person by all accounts, and that's my point. Cindy is not just griefstricken and in denial..she is unbalanced, and always has been.

Gator....you have been there to see things firsthand, meeting up with Cindy. Your posting has given us so much, because of your opinions, and being there giving us information. I still remember how upset you were upon that day..reaching out of the goodness of your heart and practically having your hand slapped away.

Caylee's memorial should have bells ringing and people singing and love and light for a child who's life has touched this world in a way that we may not even understand till later in our lives.

Cindy Anthony has no right to take that away from her too ~ as her daughter Casey took Caylee's life ~ out of selfishness.

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:beer: Haterade for all !

OS, you said it better than I ever could.