Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Spider]

I have a feeling that LE and the prosecution team are a bit amused watching Bozo and the defense spin their wheels now. NOT that there is anything about this case to be amused about other than the whole outrageous family and streams of lies. There is still the shuddering fact that a beautiful child is dead at the hands of her own so called 'mother'.

What could the defense POSSIBLY have? Anyone?

Where will the other Ants be able to go and live the remainder of there lives once this is all said and done? Isn't there someone on this board from Australia? Think they could go there Sharlock? (I think that's you.) If I am wrong about the poster, sorry....like I mentioned earlier the place I work for has actually expected me to work lately rather than follow the case. The very nerve of them:-)

[One2Snoop]

Man who found Caylee’s remains to speak out
Last Edited: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 12:56 PM EST
Created: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 12:48 PM EST

By Shannon Butler
FOX 35 News

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The Orange County utility worker who found Caylee Anthony’s remains is getting ready to tell his story.

Roy Kronk has been silent since a news conference the day Caylees remains were identified. Now his attorney, David Evans, says he is in negotiations right now with a national news outlet to speak out.

David Evans says there has been so many conspiracies and rumors surrounding his client since the find on December 11th . Evans says one of the reasons Kronk wants to tell his story now is to stop the untruths about what he was really doing in those woods near the Anthony home.

In the meantime, attorney Mark Nejame and David Evans are still working out details on a $5,000.00 reward. Nejame wants to give Kronk the money but they are still waiting finalize that deal. A decision on the money could come as early as this weekend.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8223379&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[SaraSidle]

Does anyone think that Casey killed Caylee because she wanted to be rid of her or was it to get back at her parents, particularly Cindy? This may have been addressed somewhere but I'm "new"; I cannot see how Casey could sit in the courtroom without crying ; she is a cold-hearted monster IMO. I just keep thinking about all the people who would have adopted that sweet, beautiful child ---the entire thing makes me so sick. This all sounds like a really bad TV movie. You just can't make this stuff up! I can't see how Casey would be cleared ; I imagine the question is death penalty or life in prison. I am so sorry that this happened and I can't understand /comprehend how such evil exists in our world. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this and I wish all of you a very happy weekend!

this is so very hard for all of us to understand and cope with Khrismakakathy.
all I can say that some posters have collected a lot of information on connected threads and read all the posts and come to your own conclusion. most people here agree pretty much on what happened but you to form your own opinion. If you need any more help let me know. Welcome to Crime Library and the Caylee thread. sara

[SaraSidle]

I see it the othe way around - she put the body into the trunk on the 18th when it had two days of decomp. The bag or bedsheet leaked fluids and when she removed the body the fluids had already soaked into the lining of the trunk and continued to decompose.

yeah gator but what about the 2 decomp smells in the back yard. Also if she just wanted to have her own single life she could have given Caylee to G&C. So it was premeditated and she was getting back at Mom and Dad to pay them back for giving Caylee more attention then casey. Just my opinion after spending a lot of time thinking on it. could be wrong. sara

[SaraSidle]

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Casey is a sociopath. She will hold onto that lie until her death. She will never admit she killed Caylee and lied about everything. To her as long as she doesn't admit it, it isn't true. She takes everything to the extreme. Look at the whole office thing, she even went to the extent of walking down the hallway with LE. LE even said she walked with such purpose they thought they may have made a mistake. She took that lie to the point where she could no longer. Then when confronted about it she said "I USED TO have an office" Like it wasn't really a lie.

Right on !!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I sometimes have your fears tvdinner. I am still afraid of reasonable doubt even thought mu8shark tries to reassure me. I mean weren't we sure about OJ and look what happened. glad to know I am not the only one. IMO sara

I think it's great that you are here to point out exactly what doubts may arise in the jury room. It gives us cause to go back and think about what we consider to be fact/proof and weigh them. I've personally had doubts about the hair in the trunk (for example), if it would be scientifically acceptable to the jury, but now we know that that hair matched up to hair found with Caylee's remains. (I've often wondered why the ME waited so long for DNA results if that hair could be matched up to begin with.) Short story long; you represent a valid part of the discussion that will likely take place.

(Of course, it's almost impossible to imagine what Casey's defense will be at this point. And we've only heard HALF the story.) LAWSY

As for OJ, I think LE learned its lesson on that case; don't try to frame someone for a crime where evidence points to guilt. Let nature take its course.

[SaraSidle]

The anonymous donor who left 150 children's gifts at the memorial for Christmas left another 200 gifts yesterday. They are going to the Union Mission. They are beautifully wrapped and I am sure there are going to be very many children happy this weekend.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/flowers.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I am going early tomorrow morning to lay the sunflower and wildflower seeds and to take a pic of the permanent memorial so you can see it. Keep your fingers crossed that I don't get arrested for trespassing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) How ironic, I go to lay flowers and can arrested for tresspassing, the Liar goes and leaves a body and she doesn't get caught.



Gator
what a sweetheart DO not get arrested because a&o and I will have to come get you out. I cannot think of a nicer thing to do. thanks sara

[SaraSidle]

What do you all think Baez will use as defense? The nanny story won't work and they could only use the whole pp theory if Casey admits she did it. IMO the defense has nothing they can use. I think they will just try to cause reasonable doubt without telling a different theory. I bet they will just challenge everything the prosecution says. I mean what story could they possibly use?

I only have 2 theorys. diminished capacity or the nanny did it. going after reasonable doubt. just my own opinion. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Man who found Caylee’s remains to speak out
Last Edited: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 12:56 PM EST
Created: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 12:48 PM EST

By Shannon Butler
FOX 35 News

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The Orange County utility worker who found Caylee Anthony’s remains is getting ready to tell his story.

Roy Kronk has been silent since a news conference the day Caylees remains were identified. Now his attorney, David Evans, says he is in negotiations right now with a national news outlet to speak out.

David Evans says there has been so many conspiracies and rumors surrounding his client since the find on December 11th . Evans says one of the reasons Kronk wants to tell his story now is to stop the untruths about what he was really doing in those woods near the Anthony home.

In the meantime, attorney Mark Nejame and David Evans are still working out details on a $5,000.00 reward. Nejame wants to give Kronk the money but they are still waiting finalize that deal. A decision on the money could come as early as this weekend.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8223379&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Kronk vs Padilla at the Daisy Chain Arena. Time TBA at a later date.

(Did I hear LP say last night that Kronk was back at the site in September (the 2nd maybe)? WTH was that all about? How does Leonard know this?

[Gatordog]

I would not be at all suprised. She seems to have had sex with every man sge comes in contact with. However, that would be very unprofessional on his part and I would like to think he has more sense than that. I think a lot of it was to get away from the circus at the house and away from George and Cindy. Even yesyerday tho, that smile she gave him was awfully flirtatious. Of course, their little romance may be all in Casey's mind. Geraldo did say he had a gorgeous wife, but of course that doesn't stop a lot of men.

Ever notice Geraldo's taste in women? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[SaraSidle]

http://i43.tinypic.com/n2zi53.jpg
I swear to Lie, tell more lies
and nothing but lies, so help me god.


Do you find it interesting at all that the judge brought Casey into that trial on her child's remains and made her stay there after her testimony? And she showed no emotion to the public at all? hmmmmmmmmmm IMO

[SaraSidle]

Ever notice Geraldo's taste in women? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

I try not to Gator. are you working at night or are you just logged on to your day puter?

[One2Snoop]

Kronk vs Padilla at the Daisy Chain Arena. Time TBA at a later date.

(Did I hear LP say last night that Kronk was back at the site in September (the 2nd maybe)? WTH was that all about? How does Leonard know this?

Did he say that on NG?

[lorettalockhorn]

yeah gator but what about the 2 decomp smells in the back yard. Also if she just wanted to have her own single life she could have given Caylee to G&C. So it was premeditated and she was getting back at Mom and Dad to pay them back for giving Caylee more attention then casey. Just my opinion after spending a lot of time thinking on it. could be wrong. sara

G&C would probably be the last people on the face of the earth that Casey would ever have allowed to have full control over Caylee. Sometimes I think that Cindy just wanted a second chance to raise a little girl the right way, and to have the opportunity for Caylee to turn out very differently than Casey did. And then I see the pictures of their house and all the crap that doesn't equal love, and I hear her vile slings and arrows at the strangers who tried to help her, and I'm pissed all over again.

[One2Snoop]

WFTV Legal Analyst Describes Private Investigators' Video

Friday, January 9, 2009 – updated: 7:02 pm EST January 9, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- WFTV's legal analyst viewed the video showing a private investigator for the Anthony family talking on the phone and digging with a shovel at the scene where Caylee's body was later found. That private investigator was caught on camera, but until Bill Sheaffer had a chance to view it, few details were known about what the video showed.

"He was digging in the soil. He had a probe that he was probing in the soil. He was also picking up items at the crime scene and tossing them aside," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer told Eyewitness News on Friday (watch full interview - http://www.wftv.com/video/18450209/index.html ).

Sheaffer said the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, picked up what appeared to be a blanket at the scene and tossed it aside and that it did not appear Mr. Casey and his colleague, private eye Jim Hoover, who was behind the camera, were doing a random search.

Sheaffer said Mr. Casey appeared to be focused on areas where there was a configuration of stones or concrete pavers, not just at the crime scene, but also at what appeared to be an abandoned back yard where Mr. Casey was actually digging.

"Mr. Casey was digging in the area, actually digging with a garden shovel, in an area where it appeared to be a black plastic bag sticking out of the earth," Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer said it was obvious Mr. Casey knew the camera was rolling because he was actually directing Mr. Hoover on where to shoot.

Sheaffer said, back at the scene the second day, Mr. Casey was probing the ground with a metal rod and not just superficially but deeply enough that he could have destroyed evidence.

"It was a metal probe and if he hit the skull or the bones of that skeletal remains he could have fractured it, he could have otherwise altered it and it would have thrown the whole forensic examination of the bones off," he said.

Questions remain about who Mr. Casey was talking to at the scene on the phone and who told him where to look and what to look for.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18449626/detail.html#-

[Gatordog]

yeah gator but what about the 2 decomp smells in the back yard. Also if she just wanted to have her own single life she could have given Caylee to G&C. So it was premeditated and she was getting back at Mom and Dad to pay them back for giving Caylee more attention then casey. Just my opinion after spending a lot of time thinking on it. could be wrong. sara

Caylee's body was in the yard first, from the 16th to 18th, then it was in the car trunk.

[SaraSidle]

Kronk vs Padilla at the Daisy Chain Arena. Time TBA at a later date.

(Did I hear LP say last night that Kronk was back at the site in September (the 2nd maybe)? WTH was that all about? How does Leonard know this?

I did not get any of that loretta. hubby hogged the tv last night. I thought the award was 225,000 dollars. What happened to all that? I am so confused.:shrug:

[SaraSidle]

Caylee's body was in the yard first, from the 16th to 18th, then it was in the car trunk.

okay I am sorry I thought that was my original post. sara:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Did he say that on NG?

Yes'm. But I didn't go back and read the transcipt. Not sure if he was allowed to finish his thought. (It's really hard for me not to FF him, anyway!)

BTW THANK YOU for all the great links!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

[Gatordog]

I try not to Gator. are you working at night or are you just logged on to your day puter?

I became so addicted to this site that I went and bought a laptop and hooked up highspeed!

[SaraSidle]

Maybe they gave her some Xnax.. Zanny the Nanny watches over murderous mothers too maybe?

If that is true I hope it comes out of the autopsy tox report. imo sara

[SaraSidle]

I became so addicted to this site that I went and bought a laptop and hooked up highspeed!

LOL you rule. so glad you are here at night. please do not spill anything on your laptop. sara:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

WFTV Legal Analyst Describes Private Investigators' Video

Friday, January 9, 2009 – updated: 7:02 pm EST January 9, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- WFTV's legal analyst viewed the video showing a private investigator for the Anthony family talking on the phone and digging with a shovel at the scene where Caylee's body was later found. That private investigator was caught on camera, but until Bill Sheaffer had a chance to view it, few details were known about what the video showed.

"He was digging in the soil. He had a probe that he was probing in the soil. He was also picking up items at the crime scene and tossing them aside," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer told Eyewitness News on Friday (watch full interview - http://www.wftv.com/video/18450209/index.html ).

Sheaffer said the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, picked up what appeared to be a blanket at the scene and tossed it aside and that it did not appear Mr. Casey and his colleague, private eye Jim Hoover, who was behind the camera, were doing a random search.

Sheaffer said Mr. Casey appeared to be focused on areas where there was a configuration of stones or concrete pavers, not just at the crime scene, but also at what appeared to be an abandoned back yard where Mr. Casey was actually digging.

"Mr. Casey was digging in the area, actually digging with a garden shovel, in an area where it appeared to be a black plastic bag sticking out of the earth," Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer said it was obvious Mr. Casey knew the camera was rolling because he was actually directing Mr. Hoover on where to shoot.

Sheaffer said, back at the scene the second day, Mr. Casey was probing the ground with a metal rod and not just superficially but deeply enough that he could have destroyed evidence.

"It was a metal probe and if he hit the skull or the bones of that skeletal remains he could have fractured it, he could have otherwise altered it and it would have thrown the whole forensic examination of the bones off," he said.

Questions remain about who Mr. Casey was talking to at the scene on the phone and who told him where to look and what to look for.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18449626/detail.html#-

http://i41.tinypic.com/ifwzeu.jpg

Dominic Casey, Licensed Jackass

[Gatordog]

okay I am sorry I thought that was my original post. sara:shrug:

No sorries, http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) there so much info changing day to day it's hard to remember who said what.

Gator

[deputydi]

I sometimes have your fears tvdinner. I am still afraid of reasonable doubt even thought mu8shark tries to reassure me. I mean weren't we sure about OJ and look what happened. glad to know I am not the only one. IMO sara
I understand your fear Sara. I've always believed OJ walked because the pros was so star struck and they bored the jury silly with all that blood analysis. No one understood it and totally lost interest after the second or third day. That stupid glove demonstration should never have happened and Darden was simply preening for the cameras. Judge Ito saw himself as some huge tv star and had no control over his courtroom. None of that is going to happen with this trial.

The circumstantial evidence is straightforward, easy to understand and it is overwhelming. The ONLY question as far as I can see is whether the jury is going to have the option of recommending death.

[One2Snoop]

http://i41.tinypic.com/ifwzeu.jpg

Dominic Casey, Licensed Jackass

Bahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0005.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-tongue-smileys.php)

[One2Snoop]

Yes'm. But I didn't go back and read the transcipt. Not sure if he was allowed to finish his thought. (It's really hard for me not to FF him, anyway!)

BTW THANK YOU for all the great links!!!!!!!!!! :beer:


LOL - I found it.... Wasn't that one of the original dates he said he'd been there? :confused: Aug. Sept and 3rd one was Dec 11th.

Jan. 7, 2009

GRACE: OK. To bounty hunter Leonard Padilla joining us out of Sacramento, California. He`s been saying this for some time now. Leonard, now you can tell everybody "I told you so."

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: I`m not going do that because there`s more to the story than that.

GRACE: Oh, Lord. Hit me.

PADILLA: Well, you don`t want to hear about Kronk, do you.

GRACE: Are you back to saying the meter reader got his information from someone at the jail?

PADILLA: I don`t know where he got it, OK?

GRACE: OK.

PADILLA: But he definitely got information from somebody because he was out there on the 11th. He was out -- back out there on September the 2nd. And he finally, finally on the 11th of December exposed the body by calling law enforcement. That`s no coincidence on anything like that. It just...

GRACE: Well, if the information came from the jail, it obviously came from the tot mom.

PADILLA: It had to come from Casey through somebody. I would assume it was Lee. Lee passed it onto somebody, who passed it on to Kronk.

GRACE: Out to Natisha Lance, our producer, who`s been on the case since the very beginning. Anything that you can add, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, these things that Leonard are saying are pretty shocking, Nancy. But one of the things that we are finding out which is pretty interesting is that the Anthonys, they had this tip at the Florida mall, which was the 16th, which would have been the day after they were out there at this site where the remains were found, and they were carrying on with this tip. So if the investigator knew that the remains were out there, that`s going to be a lot of questions that they have to answer.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/07/ng.01.html

[SaraSidle]

Thanks for the update, One2. I have always felt that caysee killed Caylee intentionally. This article does lead me to believe that LE and the prosecutors have much more evidence than we know about, (hopefully). jmo

And I always gave her the benefit of the doubt like drowning accident or overdose accident. until the ductape.......I guess it is so hard for me to believe a mother could do that. I cry everytime I hear her sing "Sunshine".
IMO sara

[One2Snoop]

Kronk vs Padilla at the Daisy Chain Arena. Time TBA at a later date.

(Did I hear LP say last night that Kronk was back at the site in September (the 2nd maybe)? WTH was that all about? How does Leonard know this?

Ok, answering my own question -

It was August 11, 12, 13 that Kronk called in - so where is LP coming up with Sept 2nd?


JESSICA D`ONOFRIO, WKMG: Well, Nancy, back on August 11, he called the tip in to Crimeline. A deputy responded out here to Suburban Drive. They didn`t meet with him at the time. They cleared the scene. They left.

Then on August 12, he calls in another tip. This time, it goes to CID, the Criminal Investigations Division at the Orange County sheriff`s office. It gets passed along to a detective. That detective looks at records and sees that cadaver dogs have already searched here, so the detective doesn`t feel it`s necessary to respond out to the location.

Now we`re on August 13. He calls in the tip again to Crimeline. A deputy, a male deputy, responds out to the scene here on Suburban. He meets with the utility worker this time. It`s the first time he met with the deputy in those three days. And the deputy does go back and does look, but then leaves for some reason. Also, he`s backed up by a female deputy who pulls up, and she`s waved off by that deputy and he says, I have this scene covered, no need to worry. And that`s all there was.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/18/ng.01.html

[SaraSidle]

I understand your fear Sara. I've always believed OJ walked because the pros was so star struck and they bored the jury silly with all that blood analysis. No one understood it and totally lost interest after the second or third day. That stupid glove demonstration should never have happened and Darden was simply preening for the cameras. Judge Ito saw himself as some huge tv star and had no control over his courtroom. None of that is going to happen with this trial.

The circumstantial evidence is straightforward, easy to understand and it is overwhelming. The ONLY question as far as I can see is whether the jury is going to have the option of recommending death.

oh Deputydi I so hope you are right. I know you have more experience than I do but I was so shocked with that OJ verdict I guess I have lost confidence in the system. my fault. I guess that makes me kind of a devil's advocate.
if anything the publicity has got to make her guilty. IMO thanks sara

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL - I found it.... Wasn't that one of the original dates he said he'd been there? :confused: Aug. Sept and 3rd one was Dec 11th.

Jan. 7, 2009

GRACE: OK. To bounty hunter Leonard Padilla joining us out of Sacramento, California. He`s been saying this for some time now. Leonard, now you can tell everybody "I told you so."

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: I`m not going do that because there`s more to the story than that.

GRACE: Oh, Lord. Hit me.

PADILLA: Well, you don`t want to hear about Kronk, do you.

GRACE: Are you back to saying the meter reader got his information from someone at the jail?

PADILLA: I don`t know where he got it, OK?

GRACE: OK.

PADILLA: But he definitely got information from somebody because he was out there on the 11th. He was out -- back out there on September the 2nd. And he finally, finally on the 11th of December exposed the body by calling law enforcement. That`s no coincidence on anything like that. It just...

GRACE: Well, if the information came from the jail, it obviously came from the tot mom.

PADILLA: It had to come from Casey through somebody. I would assume it was Lee. Lee passed it onto somebody, who passed it on to Kronk.

GRACE: Out to Natisha Lance, our producer, who`s been on the case since the very beginning. Anything that you can add, Natisha?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, these things that Leonard are saying are pretty shocking, Nancy. But one of the things that we are finding out which is pretty interesting is that the Anthonys, they had this tip at the Florida mall, which was the 16th, which would have been the day after they were out there at this site where the remains were found, and they were carrying on with this tip. So if the investigator knew that the remains were out there, that`s going to be a lot of questions that they have to answer.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/07/ng.01.html

I thought the Kronk calls were in August, and then again in December. Maybe I'm just not remembering anything in September. But I thought his route had been changed and he didn't have the opportunity to go back and check until December. :confused:

ETA Thanks for finding O'nofrio's blurb! (Glad to know that I'm not totally fried!)

And I STILL want to know the results of the OCSO's internal investigation into this chain of events/SNAFU.

[SuzDuJour]

I thought Casey was raising her hand to ask if she could have the same judge that found Debra LeFave too pretty to go to prison...er...the dorm.

[SaraSidle]

Ok, answering my own question -

It was August 11, 12, 13 that Kronk called in - so where is LP coming up with Sept 2nd?


JESSICA D`ONOFRIO, WKMG: Well, Nancy, back on August 11, he called the tip in to Crimeline. A deputy responded out here to Suburban Drive. They didn`t meet with him at the time. They cleared the scene. They left.

Then on August 12, he calls in another tip. This time, it goes to CID, the Criminal Investigations Division at the Orange County sheriff`s office. It gets passed along to a detective. That detective looks at records and sees that cadaver dogs have already searched here, so the detective doesn`t feel it`s necessary to respond out to the location.

Now we`re on August 13. He calls in the tip again to Crimeline. A deputy, a male deputy, responds out to the scene here on Suburban. He meets with the utility worker this time. It`s the first time he met with the deputy in those three days. And the deputy does go back and does look, but then leaves for some reason. Also, he`s backed up by a female deputy who pulls up, and she`s waved off by that deputy and he says, I have this scene covered, no need to worry. And that`s all there was.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/18/ng.01.html

I understand completely and have no idea what is going on. scares me that all this could happen unless it is a couple of jerks looking for attention and money and have tapes that look like the area. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

I thought the Kronk calls were in August, and then again in December. Maybe I'm just not remembering anything in September. But I thought his route had been changed and he didn't have the opportunity to go back and check until December. :confused:

See post #12252

[Gatordog]

http://i41.tinypic.com/ifwzeu.jpg

Dominic Casey, Licensed Jackass



http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy096.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Loretta, you always have the best responses.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

No sorries, http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-hug002.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) there so much info changing day to day it's hard to remember who said what.

Gator

You can say that again 100 times. we both agree anyways on the timelines from the 16th to the 18th. LP does not agree but I do not care. IMO sara
so glad I am back and you are on nights!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

See post #12252

Found it! Thanks again! (Still glad I'm not totally fried. :hat: )

[deputydi]

You go mu8shark. I can feel completely empathic with you IMO
Janie Weintraub is even more annoying than NG. Her shrill voice and stupid comments get on my last nerve. Nancy's saving grace (no pun intended) is her heart is in the right place and she doesn't waste her time trying to make excuses for lowlifes like Casey.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy096.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Loretta, you always have the best responses.

Gator

hehehe I've been saving that one for a particular troll in another thread; but hey! seemed like the perfect time to use it!

[SaraSidle]

LMAO!!! Funny thing is he is deaf when it comes to me wanting him to help with something but when it's my t.v. programs......forget it!! He hears everything :hat:

most of the time when I get to watch NG he runs to the bedroom tv and accuses me of being obsessed. I told DH I cannot be the only one obsessed cause they are not putting all these shows on just for little ole me. LOL:hat:

[SaraSidle]

Janie Weintraub is even more annoying than NG. Her shrill voice and stupid comments get on my last nerve. Nancy's saving grace (no pun intended) is her heart is in the right place and she doesn't waste her time trying to make excuses for lowlifes like Casey.

ITA deputydi. she is annoying but I respect her insistence on getting down to the truth even if she has to be rude and I am sure all of her guests know that is her behavior in advance. so I do not feel bad for them. IMO sara.
p.s. also they are probably making good money having her be rude!!!!It is all about the money

[SaraSidle]

hehehe I've been saving that one for a particular troll in another thread; but hey! seemed like the perfect time to use it!

I cannot believe we still have trolls here. You go Loretta.

[Gatordog]

I thought Casey was raising her hand to ask if she could have the same judge that found Debra LeFave too pretty to go to prison...er...the dorm.

ROFLOL

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Kronk vs Padilla at the Daisy Chain Arena. Time TBA at a later date.

(Did I hear LP say last night that Kronk was back at the site in September (the 2nd maybe)? WTH was that all about? How does Leonard know this?

I'd like to know how LP knows a lot of the things he knows. Seems like there is a leak from the FBI somewhere.

With his far fetched theories in the past not real sure how much stock I put in this. I think they all need lie detector tests.

[Justice Denied?]

Ever notice Geraldo's taste in women? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Wa'll, here in Texas we call it bimbo. How bout y'all?

[javahog]

Please let Casey get salmonella from her "treats"...

[javahog]

I'd like to know how LP knows a lot of the things he knows. Seems like there is a leak from the FBI somewhere.

With his far fetched theories in the past not real sure how much stock I put in this. I think they all need lie detector tests.

Maybe its like Deep Throat, where the source won't give the whole story, just confirm info. It would explain why LP knows stuff one day he didn't share before. I do think LE should have a little chat. If someone is leaking and it damages the prosecution, it would bite.

[SaraSidle]

I'd like to know how LP knows a lot of the things he knows. Seems like there is a leak from the FBI somewhere.

With his far fetched theories in the past not real sure how much stock I put in this. I think they all need lie detector tests.

ITA way too fishy for me!

[SaraSidle]

Gator you watching NG? they are saying homicide 6-16 and then body in trunk until 6-18 when she was buried...what happened to backyard smells.
they are saying also evidence points to murder not accident and she acted alone. sara

[Brainstorm]

I thought Casey was raising her hand to ask if she could have the same judge that found Debra LeFave too pretty to go to prison...er...the dorm.

LOL, Casey is pampering herself and indulging in treats,she may get fat and ugly. She's not the beauty,IMOO, that she thinks she is,anyway.I enjoyed watching her coming into court.WTH does she think she is that she doesnt have to appear?

[One2Snoop]

What is turpin? Talking about it on NG and has something to do with forensics? Sorry I missed it.

[deputydi]

Gator you watching NG? they are saying homicide 6-16 and then body in trunk until 6-18 when she was buried...what happened to backyard smells.
they are saying also evidence points to murder not accident and she acted alone. sara
It is possible Casey's first thought was to bury Caylee in the backyard by the playhouse. She may have put the body in a garb bag and laid her in the yard while she attempted to dig a hole. She changed her mind for whatever reason and put Caylee in the trunk instead.

All this talk on NG about why C & G haven't been to the jail to see thier daughter is BS. I firmly believe the reason they haven't been there is they finally realize their daughter is a murderer. I am sure they have been told by the attorneys not to make any public statements so as not to taint the jury pool. In good conscience they can no longer deny their daughter's involvement and anything they say that hints at Casey's culpability is going to be big news. I'm sure the attorneys have reminded them that a fair trial is Casey's Constitutional right and it's their responsibility to assure she gets one.

If I'm wrong and the A's are still deluding themselves, I've spent my last breath trying to understand or defend them.

[javahog]

Gator you watching NG? they are saying homicide 6-16 and then body in trunk until 6-18 when she was buried...what happened to backyard smells.
they are saying also evidence points to murder not accident and she acted alone. sara

Not Gator here, but I bet Casey's cryptic comment about LE not even finding her clothes yet has something to do with the hits in the backyard. I wonder if she realized that she couldn't bury the body back there, but thought that she could dig deep enough to bury clothes (had them there), but then thought better of it and they are somewhere else?

[javahog]

What is turpin? Talking about it on NG and has something to do with forensics? Sorry I missed it.

Some kind of algae or plant life that LP thinks would be stuck to the car if it went "offroad"...I don't see how useful that would be, LP. I've never dumped a body in my Bug, but it has been offroad...

[One2Snoop]

Some kind of algae or plant life that LP thinks would be stuck to the car if it went "offroad"...I don't see how useful that would be, LP. I've never dumped a body in my Bug, but it has been offroad...

Thanks java! :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

TABLOIDS SAYING PHOTO'S OF CAYLEE'S REMAINS COULD GO FOR $50,000! :eek:

Thats' so wrong!

[SaraSidle]

What is turpin? Talking about it on NG and has something to do with forensics? Sorry I missed it.

my interpretation was fauna (flowers and plants) IMO

[SaraSidle]

Not Gator here, but I bet Casey's cryptic comment about LE not even finding her clothes yet has something to do with the hits in the backyard. I wonder if she realized that she couldn't bury the body back there, but thought that she could dig deep enough to bury clothes (had them there), but then thought better of it and they are somewhere else?

good thought Java. never thought about that. thanks I am so heartbroken watching them say that a mom killed her own adorable 2 yr old daughter. I am so emotional I aill probably log off here. thanks so much again. sara

[SaraSidle]

It is possible Casey's first thought was to bury Caylee in the backyard by the playhouse. She may have put the body in a garb bag and laid her in the yard while she attempted to dig a hole. She changed her mind for whatever reason and put Caylee in the trunk instead.

All this talk on NG about why C & G haven't been to the jail to see thier daughter is BS. I firmly believe the reason they haven't been there is they finally realize their daughter is a murderer. I am sure they have been told by the attorneys not to make any public statements so as not to taint the jury pool. In good conscience they can no longer deny their daughter's involvement and anything they say that hints at Casey's culpability is going to be big news. I'm sure the attorneys have reminded them that a fair trial is Casey's Constitutional right and it's their responsibility to assure she gets one.

If I'm wrong and the A's are still deluding themselves, I've spent my last breath trying to understand or defend them.


You know deputydi You could be totally right. my gut feeling is the Anthonys really were the ones who loved and cared for Caylee as their own and it is like losing one child because the actions of another. they are heartbroken. this may be at the root of all the problems that Caylee was show much more attention then Casey who is immature and psychopathic. but these are only my thoughts. I would be devastated but then I do not have children so I could be so wrong. JUst guesses. IMO sara

[Gatordog]

Gator you watching NG? they are saying homicide 6-16 and then body in trunk until 6-18 when she was buried...what happened to backyard smells.
they are saying also evidence points to murder not accident and she acted alone. sara

The Liar actually says she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days, that's the 15th of June. I don't think George was telling the truth about seeing them both at 1 pm on June 16. I think Caylee died very early on June 16 and was left in the yard for a period of time. She was moved from the yard to the car and the bag broke at some point spilling on the Liar's pants and in the car. Even after the body was removed the decomp smell got worse in the car. This could all have happened within 2.5 to 3 days.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

this will sound maudlin and stupid but I am not feeling very strong and I am tired. this is my opinion and I do not care if I am disagreed with. In my past with many losses I have formed my opinions. Our little Caylee had a terrible 48 hours before she died. She was loved in life by mom,uncle,grandparents,greatgrandparents and many family friends. She left us June 16th 2008 and her soul went straight to heaven. ever since then this has been about justice and bringing her home. Well she is home now and will be interred as soon as possible. But she is no longer suffering or on earth. please focus on justice because mostly bones are just eveidence and not part of our Caylee. We need to focus our energy on the trial and be happy that we know Caylee is somewhere else being happy. okay I am done. I am sorry but I have done this case intimately for 6 months and I really think we need to go in this direction. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

The Liar actually says she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days, that's the 15th of June. I don't think George was telling the truth about seeing them both at 1 pm on June 16. I think Caylee died very early on June 16 and was left in the yard for a period of time. She was moved from the yard to the car and the bag broke at some point spilling on the Liar's pants and in the car. Even after the body was removed the decomp smell got worse in the car. This could all have happened within 2.5 to 3 days.

Gator

I think George lied too; we know that his reaction in the sheriff's office was visceral. He vomited at the mere thought of the odor being Caylee's body, but he glibly lied in public after that.

[SaraSidle]

The Liar actually says she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days, that's the 15th of June. I don't think George was telling the truth about seeing them both at 1 pm on June 16. I think Caylee died very early on June 16 and was left in the yard for a period of time. She was moved from the yard to the car and the bag broke at some point spilling on the Liar's pants and in the car. Even after the body was removed the decomp smell got worse in the car. This could all have happened within 2.5 to 3 days.

Gator

yeah gator but the coroners say the decomp smell does not start for 3 days.

[lorettalockhorn]

yeah gator but the coroners say the decomp smell does not start for 3 days.

The Body Farm's report indicated that Caylee was in the trunk for two days, but I noticed someone on NG stated 2.5 days. If George lied about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, that pretty well fits. If he was telling the truth, the timeline/window that the forensic botanists and entomologists have reported still fits.

I really think Caylee was in that trunk until the 18th when Casey tried to bury her in the backyard using the neighbor's shovel. When that was too much work, she dumped her near The Zone. Her very own safe spot/pet cemetery.

Stone cold b!tch, she is.

[Gatordog]

good thought Java. never thought about that. thanks I am so heartbroken watching them say that a mom killed her own adorable 2 yr old daughter. I am so emotional I aill probably log off here. thanks so much again. sara

Very true Java, the decomp smells could have been from other transferrence.

[Gatordog]

Please watch this Mark Furhman interview with Greta. Clears up a lot of timeline questions. i.e. pool ladder left in pool on June 18, perhaps trying to wash body before putting her in car, making more fluids.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/07/search-of-missing-caylee-anthonys-grandparents-house/

Gator

[Gatordog]

yeah gator but the coroners say the decomp smell does not start for 3 days.

Decomp starts within hours. IMO -The decomposition causes liquids which continue to smell. Ever take a steak out of the wrapping it comes in and you see that it has a paper that absorbs the blood? If you don't throw that paper away it begins to smell within the next day. Believe me I know. I put it on the trash and left the trash in the garage duing the summer. :eek: Now, in the summer, all left over meats and stuff gets wrapped and put in the freezer until garbage day.

Gator

[Gatordog]

The Body Farm's report indicated that Caylee was in the trunk for two days, but I noticed someone on NG stated 2.5 days. If George lied about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, that pretty well fits. If he was telling the truth, the timeline/window that the forensic botanists and entomologists have reported still fits.

I really think Caylee was in that trunk until the 18th when Casey tried to bury her in the backyard using the neighbor's shovel. When that was too much work, she dumped her near The Zone. Her very own safe spot/pet cemetery.

Stone cold b!tch, she is.

I still think the shovel was used to pick up the body since it was in major decomp by then.

[lorettalockhorn]

I still think the shovel was used to pick up the body since it was in major decomp by then.

I've thought about how difficult it would have been to pick her up; she would have had to be in a bag to move her by the 18th. I really believe that Caylee was in that trunk for the two days, but the shovel could have punctured the bag. (And I can see Casey giving up on digging a grave after about thirty seconds.) We know that the body or the clothes or something associated with Caylee's death was on the ground in at least two places, I just don't think she was ever in the ground. I'm trying to think like Casey; trying to "be the creature". So to speak.

[lorettalockhorn]

Please watch this Mark Furhman interview with Greta. Clears up a lot of timeline questions. i.e. pool ladder left in pool on June 18, perhaps trying to wash body before putting her in car, making more fluids.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/07/search-of-missing-caylee-anthonys-grandparents-house/

Gator

Rarely watch Greta, so thanks for the link!

Decomp starts within hours. IMO -The decomposition causes liquids which continue to smell. Ever take a steak out of the wrapping it comes in and you see that it has a paper that absorbs the blood? If you don't throw that paper away it begins to smell within the next day. Believe me I know. I put it on the trash and left the trash in the garage duing the summer. :eek: Now, in the summer, all left over meats and stuff gets wrapped and put in the freezer until garbage day.

Gator

Omigosh! So glad that I'm not the only one who micro-manages the trash!

http://i21.tinypic.com/11t7wuh.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

This is a wonderful post dd, I believe you are right. We can only hope at this point, that it's true...this will allow C & G to come to terms with what has happened to Caylee, and in the meantime, try to understand how their daughter did what she did. Some people are just born evil, and I believe it's so in this case. Casey Anthony never appreciated anything anyone did for her...not her family, her friends, the good life she had, and least of all her beautiful child.
Her prison time will give her enough pause to understand just How good she had it. Sadly, it was at Caylee's expense.

Since no mention was made of fingerprints on the duct tape, but they announced she did it alone, I'm assuming that's where they got it from. Someone fill me in..work has kept me busy and I really haven't had time for TV or to post. Did they mention anything about How they know it was her alone?
Don't you love her leg~ shackeled look? I do!!

While discussing the information coming out of OCSO, one of the men (sorry, forgot who) on NG tonight said that he believes that there was something at the scene of Caylee's remains that specifically links Casey to the disposal of Caylee's body; he mentioned fingerprints on the duct tape as a possibility.

[Grave Chaser]

Maybe its like Deep Throat, where the source won't give the whole story, just confirm info. It would explain why LP knows stuff one day he didn't share before. I do think LE should have a little chat. If someone is leaking and it damages the prosecution, it would bite.

The only DEEP THROAT in this story is Casey.... IMO of course hahahahaha!

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

[mu8shark]

Quote:
Originally Posted by sharlock
A lot of people are speculating that it was George who did the searches and they pointed to the fact that most of the ones that can be proven to be Caseys were done through Firefox and these ones were done through google which was what George used so I do think they will ahve great difficulty proving it (although I admit I haven't gone back and looked at all the comp stuff to check if this was true.)
Mu 8 shark post Sorry I am catching up and can't find this original post. If the One Tree Hill search is in the midst of all this chloroform and neck breaking and death by inhalation stuff, then I don't at all buy George was researching this stuff. If so it is the coincidence of coincidences that he looked up this episode and his daughter used it as her story. I just don't buy that. And also not that it means anything but isn't One Tree Hill kind of a show for people in their teens and twenties.? If they can prove that Caylee was killed by chloroform ( I realize they can't really do this by the body probably) but by other means then who is going to believe George coincidentally looked this up and it is the way Casey killed her and it was found in her car trunk? Unless her other part of the story is that George plotted to kill Caylee which is a s t r e t ch. Just my opinion but for George to do the searches does not make too much sense.

[lorettalockhorn]

The only DEEP THROAT in this story is Casey.... IMO of course hahahahaha!

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

hummmmmmmm

[Spider]

Will Judge Strickland be the presiding Judge?

[mu8shark]

While discussing the information coming out of OCSO, one of the men (sorry, forgot who) on NG tonight said that he believes that there was something at the scene of Caylee's remains that specifically links Casey to the disposal of Caylee's body; he mentioned fingerprints on the duct tape as a possibility. That would be great if they found fingerprints. I wonder how they are sure with overwhelming evidence she meant to kill her. I wonder if she killed her with chloroform on the bed and spilled some on the bedding. You know she had no time to wash clothes or linens . They did take linens and I wonder again if some linens from the dump scene matched up with linens at the Anthonys. It is my best guess.

[mu8shark]

The Body Farm's report indicated that Caylee was in the trunk for two days, but I noticed someone on NG stated 2.5 days. If George lied about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, that pretty well fits. If he was telling the truth, the timeline/window that the forensic botanists and entomologists have reported still fits.

I really think Caylee was in that trunk until the 18th when Casey tried to bury her in the backyard using the neighbor's shovel. When that was too much work, she dumped her near The Zone. Her very own safe spot/pet cemetery.

Stone cold b!tch, she is. I agree that she tried to bury her in the backyard with the shovel and gave up . But I really doubt they could say with certainty that it was 2.5 days as opposed to 2 days. That would be hard to do. They did say they place the dump of the body with cell phone pings which of course shoots my theory of the 20th all to hell. LOL. I just see no point in George lying , what difference would it make if he last saw her on te 15th late at night or that day. But it is just my opinion.

[lorettalockhorn]

Will Judge Strickland be the presiding Judge?

I think he's going to see the case through instead of taking his rotation.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree that she tried to bury her in the backyard with the shovel and gave up . But I really doubt they could say with certainty that it was 2.5 days as opposed to 2 days. That would be hard to do. They did say they place the dump of the body with cell phone pings which of course shoots by theory of the 20th all to hell. LOL. I just see no point in George lying , what difference would it make if he last saw her on te 15th late at night or that day. But it is just my opinion.

I'll admit that the main reason that I think he lied, is because it makes no sense to me that she would storm out of the house after the fight with Caylee, cool off, come home, and then get mad enough to kill Caylee on the spot. Why he would lie is a whole nuther question, but we've seen that he has the capacity.

It just makes more sense to me that when she left the night of the 15th that she killed Caylee while she was still at her most vengeful.

[Justice Denied?]

I've thought about how difficult it would have been to pick her up; she would have had to be in a bag to move her by the 18th. I really believe that Caylee was in that trunk for the two days, but the shovel could have punctured the bag. (And I can see Casey giving up on digging a grave after about thirty seconds.) We know that the body or the clothes or something associated with Caylee's death was on the ground in at least two places, I just don't think she was ever in the ground. ".I'm trying to think like Casey; trying to "be the creature So to speak.

Make sure you hold a cross in your hand while participating in this activity. Otherwise, we may mot be able to get you back from "the Dark Side".

[mu8shark]

WFTV Legal Analyst Describes Private Investigators' Video

Friday, January 9, 2009 – updated: 7:02 pm EST January 9, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- WFTV's legal analyst viewed the video showing a private investigator for the Anthony family talking on the phone and digging with a shovel at the scene where Caylee's body was later found. That private investigator was caught on camera, but until Bill Sheaffer had a chance to view it, few details were known about what the video showed.

"He was digging in the soil. He had a probe that he was probing in the soil. He was also picking up items at the crime scene and tossing them aside," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer told Eyewitness News on Friday (watch full interview - http://www.wftv.com/video/18450209/index.html ).

Sheaffer said the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, picked up what appeared to be a blanket at the scene and tossed it aside and that it did not appear Mr. Casey and his colleague, private eye Jim Hoover, who was behind the camera, were doing a random search.

Sheaffer said Mr. Casey appeared to be focused on areas where there was a configuration of stones or concrete pavers, not just at the crime scene, but also at what appeared to be an abandoned back yard where Mr. Casey was actually digging.

"Mr. Casey was digging in the area, actually digging with a garden shovel, in an area where it appeared to be a black plastic bag sticking out of the earth," Sheaffer said.

Sheaffer said it was obvious Mr. Casey knew the camera was rolling because he was actually directing Mr. Hoover on where to shoot.

Sheaffer said, back at the scene the second day, Mr. Casey was probing the ground with a metal rod and not just superficially but deeply enough that he could have destroyed evidence.

"It was a metal probe and if he hit the skull or the bones of that skeletal remains he could have fractured it, he could have otherwise altered it and it would have thrown the whole forensic examination of the bones off," he said.

Questions remain about who Mr. Casey was talking to at the scene on the phone and who told him where to look and what to look for.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18449626/detail.html#-So let me get this straight. D Casey goes there to see if it is a true teen hangout which does not make one bit of difference at trial really and he digs! He digs around and uses a probbing rod! This lying fool is in so much trouble . He already said that he did not call Hoover , Hoover just showed up. So what kind of dumb ass investigator would say that knowing the police can verify the phone records? They don't even need Dom's records, Hoover can volunteer his. And what kind of dumb ass investigator who is looking at the scene just tosses aside a blanket. This guy is well Loretta ya said it best, Jackass.

[lorettalockhorn]

Make sure you hold a cross in your hand while participating in this activity. Otherwise, we may mot be able to get you back from "the Dark Side".

LOL The Kratt Brothers survived the great white sharks.

Wait! You're right. Casey is far more heartless.

[mu8shark]

I'll admit that the main reason that I think he lied, is because it makes no sense to me that she would storm out of the house after the fight with Caylee, cool off, come home, and then get mad enough to kill Caylee on the spot. Why he would lie is a whole nuther question, but we've seen that he has the capacity.

It just makes more sense to me that when she left the night of the 15th that she killed Caylee while she was still at her most vengeful. She probably stewed on it and did some more planning. For sure she came back to the house as the cell phone calls she made to Tony, Jesse and others were from or around the Anthony house. I totally believe she killed her in the house. I can't imagine she would risk being seen outside the house. I just meant it would not make any difference in her culpability whether he saw her on the 15th or 16th. Does Cindy place her back at the house in the am before she went to work? I know they said she fled the house about midnight supposedly. Whatever the case me thinks that the search at the house proved fruitful. I was wrong on the dump date that I felt so sure about so I could be wrong here. I thought the story on the 24th with the gas can fight sounded really false, because he told two stories, one on Greta and a different one to police.
But if the body was gone by then I guess the only thing she wanted to prevent him from doing is catch a whiff of the smell.

[lorettalockhorn]

So let me get this straight. D Casey goes there to see if it is a true teen hangout which does not make one bit of difference at trial really and he digs! He digs around and uses a probbing rod! This lying fool is in so much trouble . He already said that he did not call Hoover , Hoover just showed up. So what kind of dumb ass investigator would say that knowing the police can verify the phone records? They don't even need Dom's records, Hoover can volunteer his. And what kind of dumb ass investigator who is looking at the scene just tosses aside a blanket. This guy is well Loretta ya said it best, Jackass.

Yeah, Sheaffer's report made me lose a little respect for Brad Conway. Even if D Casey didn't compromise evidence somehow, and doesn't need an attorney, he is flat out immoral. Not only did he not report the information about the possible location of Caylee's remains to authorities, but he stabbed G&C in the back.

[lorettalockhorn]

She probably stewed on it and did some more planning. For sure she came back to the house as the cell phone calls she made to Tony, Jesse and others were from or around the Anthony house. I totally believe she killed her in the house. I can't imagine she would risk being seen outside the house. I just meant it would not make any difference in her culpability whether he saw her on the 15th or 16th. Does Cindy place her back at the house in the am before she went to work? I know they said she fled the house about midnight supposedly. Whatever the case me thinks that the search at the house proved fruitful. I was wrong on the dump date that I felt so sure about so I could be wrong here. I thought the story on the 24th with the gas can fight sounded really false, because he told two stories, one on Greta and a different one to police.
But if the body was gone by then I guess the only thing she wanted to prevent him from doing is catch a whiff of the smell.

I can't imagine why George would lie. I'm guessing that it was to help with the Zanny story. From what I can tell looking at timelines, Cindy was already at work when George said that he say the two; but I honestly don't know what time she went in, what time she got home (Casey's last call to her was at 7:06pm at the house), or if George saw Casey and Caylee come in and leave, or if they were supposedly there when he got up, or what.

[mu8shark]

You are right. Post partum depression develops when "baby blues" which happens in the first several days does not dissipate. If left untreated, ppd can get worse. @ some point, one could get to post partum psychosis, but all this happens within a short time after the birth, is progressively worsening. A psychotic break (which would be the case where one would kill her child due to post partum depression) would occur MUCH earlier.

Also, post partum depression is DEPRESSION. Don't know how many posters have had depression, or live w/people w/depression. BUT, a depressed person has difficulty getting up and out of bed, getting showered and dressed, forcing herself to take care of house or home (and child) and getting to work. Even if a depressed person may go to an occasional social event, something they just can't get out of, s/he is not likely to have a full and eventful social life, as seems to be this case. A depressed person may make every effort to portray a "normal" life by getting up and going to work, etc, but there just isn't enough energy to go out partying.

I have not read of (but I am not a specialist dealing with) post partum depression lasting almost 3 years. Usually, it would be treated well before then. If she had NOT been treated, it would have reared it's ugly head well before the time of Caylee's death. I suppose one of Baez' "experts" could come up with some obscure case where this happened? But, I bet prosecution experts could refute it. Thanks to Amy and Snoop for the info on postpartum depression and psychosis. I was kind of mulling this over and recalling that when I read a book on Paula Yates she was thought to have post partum psychosis which is much rarer and much more serious.And you are right in the Yates case she had signs upon signs upon signs including two hospitalizations, so for for them to claim this, I dunno. It does not seem like it would fly. Also she would have to admit guilt and use it as a defense and I can't see this girl doing this. No way no how. You heard Jose she is asserting her 100 per cent innocence. Maybe someone else has mentioned this and it is totally unrelated to PPD but I heard a journalist on Jane Velez say that Baez had been going around town referring to Casey as 'his girl." WTF? I think he is bewitched with an emphasis on the witch.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks to Amy and Snoop for the info on postpartum depression and psychosis. I was kind of mulling this over and recalling that when I read a book on Paula Yates she was thought to have post partum psychosis which is much rarer and much more serious.And you are right in the Yates case she had signs upon signs upon signs including two hospitalizations, so for for them to claim this, I dunno. It does not seem like it would fly. Also she would have to admit guilt and use it as a defense and I can't see this girl doing this. No way no how. You heard Jose she is asserting her 100 per cent innocence. Maybe someone else has mentioned this and it is totally unrelated to PPD but I heard a journalist on Jane Velez say that Baez had been going around town referring to Casey as 'his girl." WTF? I think he is bewitched with an emphasis on the witch.

HUH? Gee, hope he meant to say "his client" and just couldn't get out that many syllables.

Ditto the thanks about the post partum illnesses! :seeya:

[mu8shark]

Yeah, Sheaffer's report made me lose a little respect for Brad Conway. Even if D Casey didn't compromise evidence somehow, and doesn't need an attorney, he is flat out immoral. Not only did he not report the information about the possible location of Caylee's remains to authorities, but he stabbed G&C in the back.In my opinion since Conway is the Anthony lawyer, he should perhaps refrain from saying what D Casey did or did not know. And if they can prove that he lied about calling Hoover when he said Hoover just showed up, LE can make things sticky for him. Before this is all out, I am sure D Casey the private dick and I use that term well, you guess how I use it . LOL. will need a lawyer. I heard he is thinking of sueing Hoover civilly. Hoover's story just makes more sense to me. Do you think it possible that D Casey told the Anthonys he got a tip on this as to where the body was and he checked it out and it was false? I mean I truly don't think he found the body. I don't think anybody did before LE did. I mean not that many people want to go into a heavy wooded area. Also on Casey dumping the body earlier than I thought, I should of known with her personality. She probably did not want to waste one more minute thinking about her child so as soon as she could empty the 'trash' the evil witch did it. I should of known she would not really mull over where to put her. She had parties to go to and stuff to steal. Silly me.

[mu8shark]

yeah gator but the coroners say the decomp smell does not start for 3 days.It actually depends on the coroner. Perper originally said as long as a week for it to smell that bad and then revised his estimate to say 2 to 3 days, so in that heat, closed trunk. Not pleasant.

[mu8shark]

I thought about the same thing after seeing her in the court room. I think she deserves all the krama she gets but if she believes she will get off she is being mislead by her attorney.(s) I will never forget the OJ trial and can only pray it does not happen again. fep Well not to rehash old potatoes because I have very strong feelings on the OJ case but I will be blunt about this, no matter what you think about how the OJ case went you have to admit they played the race card. Casey does not have that option and Florida juries are notoriously conservative compared to CA juries. They refer to it as the death state , that and Texas. Also as an aside about a fair jury, my cousin had dinner with friends who live in Jacksonville and when she ask about this case, two of the people did not even know her body had been identified, so I think we all assume and the talking heads that everyone in the nation is following this case. My brother has never heard of it, he only watches business news, so they will get a fair jury, at least it is out there potentially.

[lorettalockhorn]

In my opinion since Conway is the Anthony lawyer, he should perhaps refrain from saying what D Casey did or did not know. And if they can prove that he lied about calling Hoover when he said Hoover just showed up, LE can make things sticky for him. Before this is all out, I am sure D Casey the private dick and I use that term well, you guess how I use it . LOL. will need a lawyer. I heard he is thinking of sueing Hoover civilly. Hoover's story just makes more sense to me. Do you think it possible that D Casey told the Anthonys he got a tip on this as to where the body was and he checked it out and it was false? I mean I truly don't think he found the body. I don't think anybody did before LE did. I mean not that many people want to go into a heavy wooded area. Also on Casey dumping the body earlier than I thought, I should of known with her personality. She probably did not want to waste one more minute thinking about her child so as soon as she could empty the 'trash' the evil witch did it. I should of known she would not really mull over where to put her. She had parties to go to and stuff to steal. Silly me.

I guess I'm still a little amazed that Conway is both G&C's attorney, let alone Conway's. Sure, I think a tip is possible or that all of the Ants knew where Caylee was. Maybe even the whole time. But for Conway to go out in public and go on and on about live Caylee sightings and his surveillance of God Knows Who, and then to act like or truly believe or even KNOW that Caylee was in The Zone and not do what he could to even pretend to set the Anthonys minds at ease is just repugnant. Maybe some link in the daisy chain was supposed to have removed Caylee's remains and D Casey was following up on that and we've got yet another odious character to meet.

[javahog]

That would be great if they found fingerprints. I wonder how they are sure with overwhelming evidence she meant to kill her. I wonder if she killed her with chloroform on the bed and spilled some on the bedding. You know she had no time to wash clothes or linens . They did take linens and I wonder again if some linens from the dump scene matched up with linens at the Anthonys. It is my best guess.

You know...just because the coroner couldn't put a cause of death because there was no damage to the bones doesn't mean there was something else there that could do it. If a knife was found in with the bones, or a strangulation device, there could be no visible cause of death for the coroner's purposes, but a clear intent would be visible. Maybe they found a garrote made of a Pooh sheet or something.

Heinous creature. I'm really po'd tonight.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's tonight's NG:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ng.01.html

[javahog]

While watching NG tonight and seeing the liar in court all shackled and dull eyed, I asked my sis who is a nurse and has worked in the state prison, if liar looked drugged. She said, "She is drugged! Then I asked, "Why do you say that? Do they drug prisoners when they go to court?" She said, They often do, especially when they are capable of losing self control. In a case like this they most likely gave her something to keep her calm."

Now isn't that merciful......... ugh!

So, by losing self-control, you mean her temper, right? Not her composure?

[mu8shark]

It is a great, informative article. As much as I don't like the thought of her laying there for so long, I am glad that they can use this information to pin down the time of death and I hope they can tie this all together and convict Casey.

I have never seen a case where nothing flows and pulls together eventually like this one. The cast of characters is bizarre. Everyone linked to Casey, including her lawyer, all behave strangely. I am hopeful that LE has info we are not privy to, maybe from Amy/Tony/other neighbors, that really nails Casey.

Cindy has been too quiet. Wonder what that's all about. I can't resist this. I love it maybe we should call Jose Baez, Jose Bizarre. LOL

[mu8shark]

http://i43.tinypic.com/n2zi53.jpg
I swear to Lie, tell more lies
and nothing but lies, so help me god.
I just saw this snoop. This is fing hilarious!

[lorettalockhorn]

This is a wonderful post dd, I believe you are right. We can only hope at this point, that it's true...this will allow C & G to come to terms with what has happened to Caylee, and in the meantime, try to understand how their daughter did what she did. Some people are just born evil, and I believe it's so in this case. Casey Anthony never appreciated anything anyone did for her...not her family, her friends, the good life she had, and least of all her beautiful child.
Her prison time will give her enough pause to understand just How good she had it. Sadly, it was at Caylee's expense.

Since no mention was made of fingerprints on the duct tape, but they announced she did it alone, I'm assuming that's where they got it from. Someone fill me in..work has kept me busy and I really haven't had time for TV or to post. Did they mention anything about How they know it was her alone?
Don't you love her leg~ shackeled look? I do!!

Found this in the NG transcript:

Back to Jessica d`Onofrio quickly, from WKMG, who broke this story.

A stunning look inside the investigation, the theory the state is going to put out at trial. Jessica, you`ve been working with the police for some time. Do you have any doubts about your source?

D`ONOFRIO: Oh, no, not at all. And this isn`t coming from one source, Nancy. It`s always coming from more than one source when I report my information. But I mean what I`m hearing are the words, "overwhelming". I`m hearing, "strong evidence". And I`m hearing that when you look at all of this, in its totality, the forensic evidence, and the overwhelming circumstantial evidence, you put it all together, it points straight to Casey acting alone. And that this was done on purpose, and not by accident.

GRACE: I notice you are referring to her on a first-name basis. When did you develop that friendship?

D`ONOFRIO: Casey?

GRACE: Yes. Defendant Anthony, yes.

D`ONOFRIO: I have never personally spoken to Casey Anthony. I always refer her -- refer to her as Casey. But I have never formed any kind of relationship with her at all.

GRACE: Jessica, what do you know about the possibility of an immunity deal for the grandparents? And is it still floating around that Lee Anthony may somehow be charged as an accomplice after the fact?

D`ONOFRIO: What I`m hearing from everyone I speak to, Nancy, is that there are -- there are going to be no charges brought against anyone in the Anthony family. Not Lee, not Cindy, not George. They will not be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, absolutely nothing.

[javahog]

I can't resist this. I love it maybe we should call Jose Baez, Jose Bizarre. LOL

Well, I'd say that is a Grand Insult, lol!

That was just too weird when he said that, smirking...

[javahog]

Found this in the NG transcript:

Back to Jessica d`Onofrio quickly, from WKMG, who broke this story.

A stunning look inside the investigation, the theory the state is going to put out at trial. Jessica, you`ve been working with the police for some time. Do you have any doubts about your source?

D`ONOFRIO: Oh, no, not at all. And this isn`t coming from one source, Nancy. It`s always coming from more than one source when I report my information. But I mean what I`m hearing are the words, "overwhelming". I`m hearing, "strong evidence". And I`m hearing that when you look at all of this, in its totality, the forensic evidence, and the overwhelming circumstantial evidence, you put it all together, it points straight to Casey acting alone. And that this was done on purpose, and not by accident.

GRACE: I notice you are referring to her on a first-name basis. When did you develop that friendship?

D`ONOFRIO: Casey?

GRACE: Yes. Defendant Anthony, yes.

D`ONOFRIO: I have never personally spoken to Casey Anthony. I always refer her -- refer to her as Casey. But I have never formed any kind of relationship with her at all.

GRACE: Jessica, what do you know about the possibility of an immunity deal for the grandparents? And is it still floating around that Lee Anthony may somehow be charged as an accomplice after the fact?

D`ONOFRIO: What I`m hearing from everyone I speak to, Nancy, is that there are -- there are going to be no charges brought against anyone in the Anthony family. Not Lee, not Cindy, not George. They will not be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, absolutely nothing.


Thanks, Loretta, good get!

I think they've got something even better than just the duct tape with prints(though I am now convinced they have that-did you see Casey swallow hard hen prints and duct tape came up together?). If I can think of a non-intentional-premeditated explanation, then they would have to figure Baez would be all over it. I'm betting there is somehow a murder weapon at the Zone. I guess my dream would be a steak knife, covered with Casey's prints and Caylee's blood, and only 7 were found at the Anthony's home...that would be pretty overwhelming.

[lorettalockhorn]

Also from NG:

GRACE: Out to Tom Shamshak.

Tom, reportedly sources inside of the investigation say there`s overwhelming evidence against the tot mom. What does this mean to you, as a former investigator?

TOM SHAMSHAK, FMR. POLICE CHIEF, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: To me that means that there is ample evidence from the mother of the child, at the crime scene. Her fingerprints, for instance, could be on the duct tape. There could be hair that was transferred, that`s there at scene. And there could be other implements that are there. There could be a weapon of opportunity. Or some other instrument that came from the home that places that child with the mother at there -- at the two crime scenes. One, in the back of the car where the decompositional incident occurred. And the second, placing the child there in the woods.

I don`t think that we all know precisely what kind of evidence on, physical evidence, the government has. There`s a lot of hold-back evidence here, Nancy.

GRACE: Right.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks, Loretta, good get!

I think they've got something even better than just the duct tape with prints(though I am now convinced they have that-did you see Casey swallow hard hen prints and duct tape came up together?). If I can think of a non-intentional-premeditated explanation, then they would have to figure Baez would be all over it. I'm betting there is somehow a murder weapon at the Zone. I guess my dream would be a steak knife, covered with Casey's prints and Caylee's blood, and only 7 were found at the Anthony's home...that would be pretty overwhelming.

The Shamshak guys talks about what may be held back that we don't know about; I've got my fingers crossed.

Also, there was a steak knife found in Casey's car, right? Did it match the partial set at the Ants' house?

[mu8shark]

Caylee's body was in the yard first, from the 16th to 18th, then it was in the car trunk.Actually I tend to think she was in the trunk until the 18th and then the liar borrowed the shovel to go bury her in the backyard, maybe laying the body on the ground or even burying it at first back there on that day the 18th and saying Damn this is not looking right, someone will notice this or more likely this is too hard and too much trouble. . Thus the decomp smell. Because if that body was in the trunk for two days it would really smell it up. If she had just driven the body from her parents house to the dump site and it was only in there for say five minutes, I am not sure it would smell so badly for so long. Then when the body burial did not work out on the 18th in the backyard she dumped it around the old haunt. But that is just my opinion and it could be either way. But would it reek if the body was only in the car for the five minutes it took to go to the dump site from her parents site.? Just asking what others think.

[mu8shark]

The Shamshak guys talks about what may be held back that we don't know about; I've got my fingers crossed.

Also, there was a steak knife found in Casey's car, right? Did it match the partial set at the Ants' house? I don't think it was a knife or that she stabbed her. There would evidence of it in the Anthony home ala luminol tests no matter how hard it was to clean up and Dr G said there was no trauma to the body, stabbing, guns or broken bones. She would have seen some sort of nicks on the bones, and was very specific. I bet the damn ass spilled chloroform on something.!

[javahog]

The Shamshak guys talks about what may be held back that we don't know about; I've got my fingers crossed.

Also, there was a steak knife found in Casey's car, right? Did it match the partial set at the Ants' house?

I can't find the link, but I'm pretty sure I read that the knife was one of the Anthony's. If it was a murder weapon, though, you'd think there would be some residue...unless it was say broken and they found the tip amongst the bones or something...

I hope they leak the link soon. I think it'll be huge.

[javahog]

I don't think it was a knife or that she stabbed her. There would evidence of it in the Anthony home ala luminol tests no matter how hard it was to clean up and Dr G said there was no trauma to the body, stabbing, guns or broken bones. She would have seen some sort of nicks on the bones, and was very specific. I bet the damn ass spilled chloroform on something.!

The thing is, chloroform could still be an "accident", as much as doing that could be. I think there has to be some evidence of, sadly, a violent death. If a knife didn't touch a bone there wouldn't be a nick. Strangulation might not break bones in the neck due to the flexibility of juvenile bones...there could have been tons of soft tissue trauma that simply wouldn't show in a skeleton...too bad they didn't get it a lot earlier. But from what they are saying, I suspect that they have some smoking gun...maybe a pillowcase from the house with blood from suffocation on it?

(ps you are right, blood would be at the house if it was a knife, they'd know...)

[mu8shark]

Janie Weintraub is even more annoying than NG. Her shrill voice and stupid comments get on my last nerve. Nancy's saving grace (no pun intended) is her heart is in the right place and she doesn't waste her time trying to make excuses for lowlifes like Casey. She is so so annoying. Tonight we had to hear her theory about how events like the prosecution not sending the discovery soon enough shows that the pros is scrambling like they are just lost. I think it is very typical in most cases. Lets face it is is an adversial system and Bizarre has accused the prosecution of all kinds of crap and misconduct and the trial is not even begun, so why would they comply as soon as possible or make it easy. In one case I read the prosecution sent piles and piles of stuff in the wrong page order and totally disorganized just to get back at a defense attorney who was behaving like an ass. I am not saying it is right but it happens, so why Bizarre thinks they will wrap all this stuff up like a Christmas present big red bow with a cup of hot chocolate and put it on his desk tomorrow morning, well I am not sure if he has had enough experience to know he is playing with the big dogs now. And they are not going to make things easy for him. I am not saying they will not comply or withhold but his public tantrums are making it worse. Remember his first motion when they went to the body scene, his spokesman said in case LE planted something !!Pardon my french but about now the only thing they really want to give him is a big fat enema

[javahog]

Good night, Mu and Loretta and anyone else still here. Don't dream about this!

Lisa

[mu8shark]

The thing is, chloroform could still be an "accident", as much as doing that could be. I think there has to be some evidence of, sadly, a violent death. If a knife didn't touch a bone there wouldn't be a nick. Strangulation might not break bones in the neck due to the flexibility of juvenile bones...there could have been tons of soft tissue trauma that simply wouldn't show in a skeleton...too bad they didn't get it a lot earlier. But from what they are saying, I suspect that they have some smoking gun...maybe a pillowcase from the house with blood from suffocation on it?

(ps you are right, blood would be at the house if it was a knife, they'd know...)It could have be the suffocation and some kind of biological evidence but here is my thinking if you lay a child on the bed and chloroform her , I am not sure that is accidental or trying to babysit her.If you throw her in the trunk and go to a party, they might try to call it accidental even though it is still technically felony murder. But laying her on the bed per se in the middle of the day and then making phone calls to your friends. I don't know. I don't mean to be a know it all but almost always when stabbed the knife comes into contact with bones, almost always. But you could make a case for suffocation if something is on the pillow.Also tonight I heard they took pesticides. Now I have a question is there a pesticide that you could put on a rag that would out and out kill a child? Those pesticide containers, could she have put chloroform solution in those? I know I am reaching, but why did they take those pesticides. Maybe the fact that she looked up the words death and inhalation and if they find the chemical chloroform I think it is still a good case for premeditation.

[lorettalockhorn]

GNight java!

Have we seen this?

Was Casey’s car seen in June where Caylee was found?

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- A new tip has surfaced in the Caylee Anthony case.

According to Tim Miller president of Texas base Equusearch the group that searched for the remains of the missing toddler, a tip was reported to a volunteer searcher by private investigator Jim Hoover on November 8th and involved a wooded area near the Anthony home, the same woods where the remains of the toddler were found in December by a utility worker.

According to Miller Hoover approached a volunteer searcher on November 8th.

"He actually told (searcher) Bill Todd that nobody could know he was out there,” Miller said. “And it had to be kept a big secret that he is working as security for the Anthony’s and if the Anthony’s ever found out he was out there his job would be in jeopardy."

Hoover has been under media scrutiny since he and Dominic Casey, another of the Anthony’s private investigator said they went out to the same area on November 15th and taped it. That was a week after Miller said Hoover came to them.

Miller said Hoover filled out one of Equusearch's forms. Miller wouldn’t say what Hoover told them.

“Everybody knows about that tip,” Miller said. “And who needs to know about that tip does know about that tip. Things were followed up on that tip."

Miller wouldn’t say what Hoover said, but Bill Todd's wife said Hoover's tip didn't directly point them to the location where Caylee was found on December 11th, but instead said someone saw Casey’s car parked near that patch of woods back in June.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8225966&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[mu8shark]

Good night, Mu and Loretta and anyone else still here. Don't dream about this!

Lisa Night Lisa!

[mu8shark]

GNight java!

Have we seen this?

Was Casey’s car seen in June where Caylee was found?

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- A new tip has surfaced in the Caylee Anthony case.

According to Tim Miller president of Texas base Equusearch the group that searched for the remains of the missing toddler, a tip was reported to a volunteer searcher by private investigator Jim Hoover on November 8th and involved a wooded area near the Anthony home, the same woods where the remains of the toddler were found in December by a utility worker.

According to Miller Hoover approached a volunteer searcher on November 8th.

"He actually told (searcher) Bill Todd that nobody could know he was out there,” Miller said. “And it had to be kept a big secret that he is working as security for the Anthony’s and if the Anthony’s ever found out he was out there his job would be in jeopardy."

Hoover has been under media scrutiny since he and Dominic Casey, another of the Anthony’s private investigator said they went out to the same area on November 15th and taped it. That was a week after Miller said Hoover came to them.

Miller said Hoover filled out one of Equusearch's forms. Miller wouldn’t say what Hoover told them.

“Everybody knows about that tip,” Miller said. “And who needs to know about that tip does know about that tip. Things were followed up on that tip."

Miller wouldn’t say what Hoover said, but Bill Todd's wife said Hoover's tip didn't directly point them to the location where Caylee was found on December 11th, but instead said someone saw Casey’s car parked near that patch of woods back in June.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8225966&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1 Holy Holy Chit! Loretta, wow this could be so , so important, LP said something about a form being filled out on this date and this must be the back story. That would be great if they had a reliable witness who saw her car. That is possibly how Dominic and Hoover went to the area, the person who saw her car got that tip to them somehow. Yikes. From a prosecutorial standpoint if this is true, this is a huge bombshell. Huge!

[lorettalockhorn]

Holy Holy Chit! Loretta, wow this could be so , so important, LP said something about a form being filled out on this date and this must be the back story. That would be great if they had a reliable witness who saw her car. That is possibly how Dominic and Hoover went to the area, the person who saw her car got that tip to them somehow. Yikes. From a prosecutorial standpoint if this is true, this is a huge bombshell. Huge!

I hear ya! But what I don't get is why is it that these guys who are licensed and surely want the respect of the public and LE, are going so far out of the way to avoid the proper channels of reporting important information. It just boggles the mind. So much forensic evidence lost.

Never mind all the time that Caylee was lying out there.

[mu8shark]

One more thing what is up with Nancys hormones tonight? She accused Jessica D of being buddies with Casey because she called her Casey. Is she supposed to call her Ralph or the the defendant or the accused? Good Lord, sometimes I don't know what is up with her. Most of the talking heads refer to her as Casey and not always by her full name. Of course we all know her is the liar or skank.

[Lodi]

The thing is, chloroform could still be an "accident", as much as doing that could be. I think there has to be some evidence of, sadly, a violent death. If a knife didn't touch a bone there wouldn't be a nick. Strangulation might not break bones in the neck due to the flexibility of juvenile bones...there could have been tons of soft tissue trauma that simply wouldn't show in a skeleton...too bad they didn't get it a lot earlier. But from what they are saying, I suspect that they have some smoking gun...maybe a pillowcase from the house with blood from suffocation on it?

(ps you are right, blood would be at the house if it was a knife, they'd know...)

Suppose a rag containing chloroform was found in Caylee's mouth, kept in place by duct tape. Would that point to it being a murder?

[mu8shark]

I hear ya! But what I don't get is why is it that these guys who are licensed and surely want the respect of the public and LE, are going so far out of the way to avoid the proper channels of reporting important information. It just boggles the mind. So much forensic evidence lost.

Never mind all the time that Caylee was lying out there. I wonder if the person who gave them the tip gave LE the tip as well. You know Bizarre said he wanted work product protected that pertained to a discussion of where the body was , Now you gotta wonder if some came forward and told the defense this fairly early on. But it certainly gives the PI's a reason to be videoing that one area and not others. And yeah there reputations are kind of kaput esp D Casey because I think he is still lying out his ass. But that is just my opinion Mr Casey if your lawyer sees this. LOL

[mu8shark]

Suppose a rag containing chloroform was found in Caylee's mouth, kept in place by duct tape. Would that point to it being a murder? Oh I would think so. I was relistening to NG because I had it on and one of the defense lawyers said if it was chloroform whether she meant to or not it was first degree murder under the law because you are not supposed to give your child chloroform. You may be onto something maybe some of the forensics pointed to this kind of scenario.

[applesandorange]

I wonder if the person who gave them the tip gave LE the tip as well. You know Bizarre said he wanted work product protected that pertained to a discussion of where the body was , Now you gotta wonder if some came forward and told the defense this fairly early on. But it certainly gives the PI's a reason to be videoing that one area and not others. And yeah there reputations are kind of kaput esp D Casey because I think he is still lying out his ass. But that is just my opinion Mr Casey if your lawyer sees this. LOL


Could the person who gave the tip been Lee? It seems like Lee would have gone to the A's personal people and Baez before going to LE. Just a thought.

[applesandorange]

Suppose a rag containing chloroform was found in Caylee's mouth, kept in place by duct tape. Would that point to it being a murder?


That's a good thought althought why put the rag in the mouth? That's gross but then again I'm not Casey. Unless she put the rag over her face and that's why the skull had tape around it. Maybe she taped her mouth shut and then placed the rag over her face and taped it on. Wouldn't that be one heck of a smoking gun?! Good thought Lodi!!

[mu8shark]

Found this in the NG transcript:

Back to Jessica d`Onofrio quickly, from WKMG, who broke this story.

A stunning look inside the investigation, the theory the state is going to put out at trial. Jessica, you`ve been working with the police for some time. Do you have any doubts about your source?

D`ONOFRIO: Oh, no, not at all. And this isn`t coming from one source, Nancy. It`s always coming from more than one source when I report my information. But I mean what I`m hearing are the words, "overwhelming". I`m hearing, "strong evidence". And I`m hearing that when you look at all of this, in its totality, the forensic evidence, and the overwhelming circumstantial evidence, you put it all together, it points straight to Casey acting alone. And that this was done on purpose, and not by accident.

GRACE: I notice you are referring to her on a first-name basis. When did you develop that friendship?

D`ONOFRIO: Casey?

GRACE: Yes. Defendant Anthony, yes.

D`ONOFRIO: I have never personally spoken to Casey Anthony. I always refer her -- refer to her as Casey. But I have never formed any kind of relationship with her at all.

GRACE: Jessica, what do you know about the possibility of an immunity deal for the grandparents? And is it still floating around that Lee Anthony may somehow be charged as an accomplice after the fact?

D`ONOFRIO: What I`m hearing from everyone I speak to, Nancy, is that there are -- there are going to be no charges brought against anyone in the Anthony family. Not Lee, not Cindy, not George. They will not be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, absolutely nothing.
If I were the prosecutor I would so leak this kind of info to put pressure on Jose Bizarre and his client. Can you imagine her hearing that they have evidence she did alone, and intentionally? If anything should give her pause stuff like this should esp if they have the dates exactly right.

[lorettalockhorn]

Suppose a rag containing chloroform was found in Caylee's mouth, kept in place by duct tape. Would that point to it being a murder?

You would think so, because not only would the chloroform knock Caylee out, but the rag would cause asphyxiation. Even a blithering idiot would know that.

[mu8shark]

That's a good thought althought why put the rag in the mouth? That's gross but then again I'm not Casey. Unless she put the rag over her face and that's why the skull had tape around it. Maybe she taped her mouth shut and then placed the rag over her face and taped it on. Wouldn't that be one heck of a smoking gun?! Good thought Lodi!!Its a great thought and I can see old lazy Casey doing this and then just going on her phone and talking and having a soda and some strawberry pop tarts, just an easy, easy way to kill her with no mess, no struggle and Casey can go on about her day.

[applesandorange]

If I were the prosecutor I would so leak this kind of info to put pressure on Jose Bizarre and his client. Can you imagine her hearing that they have evidence she did alone, and intentionally? If anything should give her pause stuff like this should esp if they have the dates exactly right.


I was thinking about that earlier. I am really hoping they have the dates exactly right other wise IMO it will give her more reason to keep lying. If she in any way thinks she has one up on them she will keep on smirking. That smirk pees me off to no end. I have a hope that Casey will at some point say "no you idiots, that's not the way it happened" or something like that to slip up. I doubt it but I can hope right?

[mu8shark]

Could the person who gave the tip been Lee? It seems like Lee would have gone to the A's personal people and Baez before going to LE. Just a thought.But what if none of the Anthonys gave them a tip and someone saw her car there???If the article Loretta just posted is true, it could be really , really powerful.

[lorettalockhorn]

I wonder if the person who gave them the tip gave LE the tip as well. You know Bizarre said he wanted work product protected that pertained to a discussion of where the body was , Now you gotta wonder if some came forward and told the defense this fairly early on. But it certainly gives the PI's a reason to be videoing that one area and not others. And yeah there reputations are kind of kaput esp D Casey because I think he is still lying out his ass. But that is just my opinion Mr Casey if your lawyer sees this. LOL

Hoover never worked for Baez did he? At any rate, even if Hoover and D Casey were partnered up, Dominic's contract with Bizarro was over October 1st. So the work product claim doesn't hold.

Oh I would think so. I was relistening to NG because I had it on and one of the defense lawyers said if it was chloroform whether she meant to or not it was first degree murder under the law because you are not supposed to give your child chloroform. You may be onto something maybe some of the forensics pointed to this kind of scenario.

Giving Caylee chloroform whether it was fatal or not would be aggravated child abuse, wouldn't it? And also an aggravating circumstance to make the murder charge first degree.

[applesandorange]

But what if none of the Anthonys gave them a tip and someone saw her car there???If the article Loretta just posted is true, it could be really , really powerful.


I wonder who though. And who would tell Hoover this and not LE?

[mu8shark]

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I was thinking about that earlier. I am really hoping they have the dates exactly right other wise IMO it will give her more reason to keep lying. If she in any way thinks she has one up on them she will keep on smirking. That smirk pees me off to no end. I have a hope that Casey will at some point say "no you idiots, that's not the way it happened" or something like that to slip up. I doubt it but I can hope right? One thing I think is coincidental is Hoover went in with his lawyer yesterday or the day before and talked to the FBI and if he knew about this person who said they saw her car, lets say LE talked to this tip person who said Oh yeah I am pretty sure I saw her car on the 18th and then LE went and checked some cell phone pings and saw her in that exact area on the 18th maybe they put two and two together and realized she put the body there very early on.Couple with the bug people and plant people handing in their report about how long the body has been there. It would be sweet if all this came together. Because they seem awfully certain she dumped the body on the 18th all of a sudden if Jessicas source is right. It could be that Hoover gave up the tip person who did not want to come forward to LE but now is forced to. LE could be holding back this little interview. The said the dates are based on a variety of forensic and circumstancial evidence, Is part of their evidence they talked to the tipster>

[lorettalockhorn]

Could the person who gave the tip been Lee? It seems like Lee would have gone to the A's personal people and Baez before going to LE. Just a thought.

Sounds like grounds for obstruction to me. And supposedly that's not going to happen. Maybe Lee has struck a deal?

[mu8shark]

I wonder who though. And who would tell Hoover this and not LE?Well strangely alot of people who do not trust LE or who have probation violations or even parking tickets or missed court dates and have a warrant out for their arrest would take to a Private Dick before they would go to police. That is not so unusual.

[applesandorange]

One thing I think is coincidental is Hoover went in with his lawyer yesterday or the day before and talked to the FBI and if he knew about this person who said they saw her car, lets say LE talked to this tip person who said Oh yeah I am pretty sure I saw her car on the 18th and then LE went and checked some cell phone pings and saw her in that exact area on the 18th maybe they put two and two together and realized she put the body there very early on.Couple with the bug people and plant people handing in their report about how long the body has been there. It would be sweet if all this came together. Because they seem awfully certain she dumped the body on the 18th all of a sudden if Jessicas source is right. It could be that Hoover gave up the tip person who did not want to come forward to LE but now is forced to. LE could be holding back this little interview. The said the dates are based on a variety of forensic and circumstancial evidence, Is part of their evidence they talked to the tipster>

Very possible. So many tips were getting reported to LE at the time maybe they over looked this one and the person seen Hoover somewhere and told him. Or like you said maybe the person didn't want to be made public.

[mu8shark]

Hoover never worked for Baez did he? At any rate, even if Hoover and D Casey were partnered up, Dominic's contract with Bizarro was over October 1st. So the work product claim doesn't hold.



Giving Caylee chloroform whether it was fatal or not would be aggravated child abuse, wouldn't it? And also an aggravating circumstance to make the murder charge first degree. Exactly much better put that I could.

[applesandorange]

Sounds like grounds for obstruction to me. And supposedly that's not going to happen. Maybe Lee has struck a deal?


IMO I think as long as the A's co-operate now I don't think LE would charge them with anything. So in a sense maybe they all have struck a deal. But like MU pointed out it really could have been anyone making that tip. So maybe it wasn't Lee. I personally have always thought there was something shady about him though so when something comes to light the first person I think of is him.

[applesandorange]

Well strangely alot of people who do not trust LE or who have probation violations or even parking tickets or missed court dates and have a warrant out for their arrest would take to a Private Dick before they would go to police. That is not so unusual.

Very true. I didn't think about that.

[mu8shark]

Very possible. So many tips were getting reported to LE at the time maybe they over looked this one and the person seen Hoover somewhere and told him. Or like you said maybe the person didn't want to be made public. That is another possibility. This would not be the first high profile case where tons of tips came in and then they suddenly said "How did this tip get overlooked or buried on someones desk or just plain lost in computer data." It happens. It happened in one of the serial killer cases , I think the Green River Killer case somebody actually had his license plate number very early on and they never knew it till they actually finally arrested him.

[mu8shark]

Very true. I didn't think about that.Missed ya while you were gone.

[applesandorange]

Missed ya while you were gone.


Thanks! I missed you too! Life just gets so busy some times. Like right now my oldest son is sick. He has been coughing terribly and says he feels like throwng up. This is how pneumonia started with him last year around the same time. I have everything crossed right now that it's just a bug. He doesn't have a fever as of yet.....

[mu8shark]

Thanks! I missed you too! Life just gets so busy some times. Like right now my oldest son is sick. He has been coughing terribly and says he feels like throwng up. This is how pneumonia started with him last year around the same time. I have everything crossed right now that it's just a bug. He doesn't have a fever as of yet..... Well I am out for the night. Good night to all ! I hope there are some more specific leaks in the next few days.

[Lodi]

I wonder who though. And who would tell Hoover this and not LE?

One of Casey's childhood friends told of how they buried pets in those woods. I would have searched those woods from one end to the other after hearing that. The girl may have suggested this to LE and Hoover but only Hoover listened. It took the meter reader 4 or 5 tries to get the LE's attention.

[applesandorange]

Well I am out for the night. Good night to all ! I hope there are some more specific leaks in the next few days.


Good night. Sweet dreams. I'm off in a few too.

[applesandorange]

One of Casey's childhood friends told of how they buried pets in those woods. I would have searched those woods from one end to the other after hearing that. The girl may have suggested this to LE and Hoover but only Hoover listened. It took the meter reader 4 or 5 tries to get the LE's attention.


This is true

[mu8shark]

One of Casey's childhood friends told of how they buried pets in those woods. I would have searched those woods from one end to the other after hearing that. The girl may have suggested this to LE and Hoover but only Hoover listened. It took the meter reader 4 or 5 tries to get the LE's attention. I am going to defend LE again on this. Tim Miller said there were over 100 target areas from tips and pings to look, so with her only saying we hung out there as kids, they can't drop everything and only look here and drain the water and clear the woods. . Make no mistake about it, LE has probably been so busy and it is easy to in hindsight say Well a childhood friend mentioned it, it should have been number one on their list but we can only say that after the body has been found. Just my opinion.

[Lodi]

I am going to defend LE again on this. Tim Miller said there were over 100 target areas from tips and pings to look, so with her only saying we hung out there as kids, they can't drop everything and only look here and drain the water and clear the woods. . Make no mistake about it, LE has probably been so busy and it is easy to in hindsight say Well a childhood friend mentioned it, it should have been number one on their list but we can only say that after the body has been found. Just my opinion.

My thoughts are that one of the first places to look for a missing person is close to home. The circumstances seemed to point at Casey being involved from the beginning due to the initial 911 call. As I recall, the woods were not flooded until the hurricane.

An example of LE not using their heads in the following clip.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/nyregion/19camden.html?_r=1

[One2Snoop]

My thoughts are that one of the first places to look for a missing person is close to home. The circumstances seemed to point at Casey being involved from the beginning due to the initial 911 call. As I recall, the woods were not flooded until the hurricane.

An example of LE not using their heads in the following clip.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/nyregion/19camden.html?_r=1
And your point is what Lodi? Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Duh - I'm certain LE knew the minute Casey spewed her inconsistent lies from her mouth she was guilty of something. Are you going to call the Orange County Sheriff and tell them they screwed up? :rolleyes:

Where were you when this all started? Why weren't you out there searching near the home right away since "you knew that's where the body would be found?" :shrug::confused:

Furthermore, what the hell does that link have to do with this case? :confused: :shrug: Three boys became trapped in a car trunk upwards to 17 hours or more and LE forgot to check the trunk of the car. Were the parents involved in their disappearance? NO. Was a neighbor or sexual offender involved in their disappearance? NO. Was an unknown babysitter involved in their disappearance? NO!

ETA: Looking for that middle finger icon that It's Just Me wanted to post the other day.

[javahog]

I'm not sure if those are not the same thing. I would guess she gave them a dose or two of her brand of temper tantrums yes. My sister said they do drug prisoners and she's had to dole out meds to them. Did you notice how, even in her shackles and restraints, the female guard had a hold on her from the waist chains? That says a lot.

I just see a difference if they were to drug her because they were afraid she would give the judge a dose of attitude, or if they were afraid she would cry uncontrollably at the mention of her daughters remains...not that I consider the last likely

and yeah, she had a good grip! I wonder how enthusiastic Casey's refusal to come to court was?

[javahog]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, comments from the Anthony lawyer about the memorial? http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

how can they "invite" people to a "public" memorial, or not let them in? If it is that hard to get into the public memorial, the actual funeral must be the most exclusive in history!

At least there was no assertion of innocence in this statement. But as for the Anthony's "standing behind" Casey and wanting to know "the truth", well, the truth is clear, and sadly all they are going to learn from here on is details they really don't want to know...:(

[deputydi]

One more thing what is up with Nancys hormones tonight? She accused Jessica D of being buddies with Casey because she called her Casey. Is she supposed to call her Ralph or the the defendant or the accused? Good Lord, sometimes I don't know what is up with her. Most of the talking heads refer to her as Casey and not always by her full name. Of course we all know her is the liar or skank.
I picked up on that too. I get so angry at her antics sometimes I don't know why I even bother to watch. After her senseless accusation, she quickly changed the subject but continued to glower at Jessica. Why? That is only one example of why I frequently believe she is all about the theatrics.

[deputydi]

And your point is what Lodi? Shoulda, woulda, coulda.
Duh - I'm certain LE knew the minute Casey spewed her inconsistent lies from her mouth she was guilty of something. Are you going to call the Orange County Sheriff and tell them they screwed up? :rolleyes:

Where were you when this all started? Why weren't you out there searching near the home right away since "you knew that's where the body would be found?" :shrug::confused:

Furthermore, what the hell does that link have to do with this case? :confused: :shrug: Three boys became trapped in a car trunk upwards to 17 hours or more and LE forgot to check the trunk of the car. Were the parents involved in their disappearance? NO. Was a neighbor or sexual offender involved in their disappearance? NO. Was an unknown babysitter involved in their disappearance? NO!

ETA: Looking for that middle finger icon that It's Just Me wanted to post the other day.
I TOTALLY agree with you. IMO the Orlando PD has conducted this investigation with the utmost professionalism. No one is saying they NEVER make a mistake, but how easy is it for us to sit back and say "Well, isn't this obvious? I would have . . . . ." The area WAS searched as well as it could have been AT THE TIME. Maybe they should have gone back after the flood waters receded, but if she had been found, for instance, somewhere in the park, some posters would be saying LE shouldn't have wasted their time searching an area that had already been searched and should have concentrated more on the park where Casey said Zenaida attacked her. With thousands of tips coming in, I just love people who (20/20 hindsight here) KNOW that's where the body would have been found months ago if LE had just done their job right. Sheesh!

[Avad1228]

i am not a Nancy Grace fan anyway-- I think she is rude to her guests too much, they are after alll the experts, then she ignores them and the statements they make. I have not really heard much on the brothers obstruction charge and still have no real reason why the parents need immunity. I also saw a clip of her at court where she smiled at the lawyer, bet me that wasnt a flirty smile for him and then back to no emotion at all in like 2 seconds. She is one cold fish that one. There was a woman here where I live that smothered her 8 yr old son on xmas morning, she confessed within 6 hours. I think this is why the Anthony case has gotten the attention it has( People do kill their kids too often-- she is facinating in a way, no one wants to believe this nice looking girl could be that cold and surley she would have broken by now if she really did it. Did you see where people were sending her commisary money? How crazy is that? I also think she loves the media circus and that is why I dont think the parents excuse for not being in court holds water. I sure would hate to be them this year.

[Woostock]

Sara
I am keeping in mind what Loretta said about Caylee helping LE now though the investigation. It's her way of telling us what happened. That has helped me a lot to focus on the strides that have made evidence wise. I still cry, I am not going to say I don't...
My daughter, whom I adopted, is unable to have children. She is in the process of adopting and it seems so unfair to me that someone like Casey who could have cared less, had a child. But I have to turn that thinking around and look at the fact that Casey will be punished for what she did. her partying days are over and she may even get the DP who knows.. Peace...

[deputydi]

Sara
I am keeping in mind what Loretta said about Caylee helping LE now though the investigation. It's her way of telling us what happened. That has helped me a lot to focus on the strides that have made evidence wise. I still cry, I am not going to say I don't...
My daughter, whom I adopted, is unable to have children. She is in the process of adopting and it seems so unfair to me that someone like Casey who could have cared less, had a child. But I have to turn that thinking around and look at the fact that Casey will be punished for what she did. her partying days are over and she may even get the DP who knows.. Peace...
I am so sorry your daughter will never experience the joy of pregnancy. You are so right. There are too many woman who would give their own life for that of their child and too many women like Casey who just don't care. Casey will be punished for what she did and your daughter will be blessed.

[lorettalockhorn]

My thoughts are that one of the first places to look for a missing person is close to home. The circumstances seemed to point at Casey being involved from the beginning due to the initial 911 call. As I recall, the woods were not flooded until the hurricane.

An example of LE not using their heads in the following clip.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/nyregion/19camden.html?_r=1

I'm an equal opportunity basher, and even I find it hard to judge LE too harshly here; the area had even been searched with cadaver dogs to the best of my recollection at one point, and that is why Kronk's second call got back burnered. You want to string someone up? How about those two fidiots D Casey and Hoover?!

The point that I will continue to belabor is the fact that OCSO hasn't released the results of its internal investigation to let us know exactly who blew off these calls, and exactly what the reports indicated. We need to see that last week!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure if those are not the same thing. I would guess she gave them a dose or two of her brand of temper tantrums yes. My sister said they do drug prisoners and she's had to dole out meds to them. Did you notice how, even in her shackles and restraints, the female guard had a hold on her from the waist chains? That says a lot.

I find it hard to believe that Casey (or any other prisoner) would be drugged as a matter of course. So she's nervous or anxious or whatever; tee you uff uff. Use four point restraint and if she acts out in court slap her with contempt of court and haul her skanky ass back to solitary.

[deputydi]

I'm an equal opportunity basher, and even I find it hard to judge LE too harshly here; the area had even been searched with cadaver dogs to the best of my recollection at one point, and that is why Kronk's second call got back burnered. You want to string someone up? How about those two fidiots D Casey and Hoover?!

The point that I will continue to belabor is the fact that OCSO hasn't released the results of its internal investigation to let us know exactly who blew off these calls, and exactly what the reports indicated. We need to see that last week!
We don't know everything LE does at this time. I think we'll be able to piece together more of the puzzle once the trial begins. I have confidence that LE knows what they are doing and are being smart in not letting the public in on ever aspect of their investigation. It is possible that the dispatcher or officer who blew off Kronk's calls may be disciplined, but that remains to be seen also.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, comments from the Anthony lawyer about the memorial? http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

how can they "invite" people to a "public" memorial, or not let them in? If it is that hard to get into the public memorial, the actual funeral must be the most exclusive in history!

At least there was no assertion of innocence in this statement. But as for the Anthony's "standing behind" Casey and wanting to know "the truth", well, the truth is clear, and sadly all they are going to learn from here on is details they really don't want to know...:(

Man, I do not "get" these people. What? is Cindy now some sort of lah de dah event planner? Is she going to turn these funerals/memorials into some sort of spectacles that will supposedly make up for a lifetime of shortcomings that Caylee suffered in less than three years on earth?

And what is up with mentioning LP in that blurb? Cindy's time would be better spent writing out a speech to thank the people who spent their time, money, sweat and tears looking for Caylee.

Effing ingrate. I see where Casey gets it.

[deputydi]

I find it hard to believe that Casey (or any other prisoner) would be drugged as a matter of course. So she's nervous or anxious or whatever; tee you uff uff. Use four point restraint and if she acts out in court slap her with contempt of court and haul her skanky ass back to solitary.
LOL. Ah, c'mon Loretta -- don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Believe it or not, it does happen. Not with any regularity, but if there is a good indication the defendant is likely to act out in court, the warden can ask the prison physician to prescribe a mild sedative. Usually this is only done in extreme circumstances -- like if the def is prone to severe anxiety attacks. Of course, I don't know whether she was, but it would explain her calm demeanor and lack of emotion.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sara
I am keeping in mind what Loretta said about Caylee helping LE now though the investigation. It's her way of telling us what happened. That has helped me a lot to focus on the strides that have made evidence wise. I still cry, I am not going to say I don't...
My daughter, whom I adopted, is unable to have children. She is in the process of adopting and it seems so unfair to me that someone like Casey who could have cared less, had a child. But I have to turn that thinking around and look at the fact that Casey will be punished for what she did. her partying days are over and she may even get the DP who knows.. Peace...

Oh Woostock, so happy that your daughter will give a home and chance of a fullfilled life to a child!

(For lack of a better way to put it) I feel proud that Caylee is able to tell her story. Her mother may have snuffed out her physical life, but her spirit carries on.

[lorettalockhorn]

We don't know everything LE does at this time. I think we'll be able to piece together more of the puzzle once the trial begins. I have confidence that LE knows what they are doing and are being smart in not letting the public in on ever aspect of their investigation. It is possible that the dispatcher or officer who blew off Kronk's calls may be disciplined, but that remains to be seen also.

dd, that dispatcher who sounded so laconic made me proud of my county's system and personnel. & still hoping that Deputy Wuss is disciplined too. From what I understand reading about Beary's retirement, OCSO has 1400+ deputies. I think they've done a bang-up job, and fully support their casework here.

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL. Ah, c'mon Loretta -- don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

Believe it or not, it does happen. Not with any regularity, but if there is a good indication the defendant is likely to act out in court, the warden can ask the prison physician to prescribe a mild sedative. Usually this is only done in extreme circumstances -- like if the def is prone to severe anxiety attacks. Of course, I don't know whether she was, but it would explain her calm demeanor and lack of emotion.

From what I can tell, Casey has always exhibited that flat affect (with maybe the exception of her tantrum during the call to get Tony's phone number). So she's suffering. Good. Let her suffer. :tongue:

[Justice Denied?]

I agree that she tried to bury her in the backyard with the shovel and gave up . But I really doubt they could say with certainty that it was 2.5 days as opposed to 2 days. That would be hard to do. They did say they place the dump of the body with cell phone pings which of course shoots my theory of the 20th all to hell. LOL. I just see no point in George lying , what difference would it make if he last saw her on te 15th late at night or that day. But it is just my opinion.

I still like the 20th. I wonder if they could be off by 2 days. Why are they so sure it was the l8th? I think the body was in the yard until the 18th and in the car til the 20th. JMO

Do we know for an absolute fact that Casey took Caylee and left the house on the night of June 15th? Where did that info come from?

[deputydi]

dd, that dispatcher who sounded so laconic made me proud of my county's system and personnel. & still hoping that Deputy Wuss is disciplined too. From what I understand reading about Beary's retirement, OCSO has 1400+ deputies. I think they've done a bang-up job, and fully support their casework here.
The tone in the 911 dispatchers voice when Kronk said he found the skull in the vicinity of the Anthony home kind of summed up how everyone felt when they heard the news. Not surprised, but very sad.

I must not have been paying much attention -- I knew Gator was in the Orlando area but didn't realize you were. You have every reason to be proud of the way OCSO has handled themselves. IMO they have acted like complete professionals throughout this investigation. The temptation to get their faces on all the tv talk shows must be overwhelming, but I haven't seen it happen. The chief (in the only press conf I've seen him do), looked and sounded sincerely broken up by this. Is he the one who recently retired?

[deputydi]

I still like the 20th. I wonder if they could be off by 2 days. Why are they so sure it was the l8th? I think the body was in the yard until the 18th and in the car til the 20th. JMO

Do we know for an absolute fact that Casey took Caylee and left the house on the night of June 15th? Where did that info come from?
I guess they could be off by 2 days, but the 15th makes sense to me. That was the night Casey and her mother had the huge fight. George claimed to have seen Caylee and Casey the next day, but either he is mistaken, he purposefully lied, or he did see them leaving the house shortly before Caylee was murdered. I think she was killed sometime on the 16th, Casey tried to bury the body in the backyard but changed her mind and, not knowing quite what to do, put the body in her trunk where she remained for another two or three days.

To me, this timeline makes perfect sense.

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks to Amy and Snoop for the info on postpartum depression and psychosis. I was kind of mulling this over and recalling that when I read a book on Paula Yates she was thought to have post partum psychosis which is much rarer and much more serious.And you are right in the Yates case she had signs upon signs upon signs including two hospitalizations, so for for them to claim this, I dunno. It does not seem like it would fly. Also she would have to admit guilt and use it as a defense and I can't see this girl doing this. No way no how. You heard Jose she is asserting her 100 per cent innocence. Maybe someone else has mentioned this and it is totally unrelated to PPD but I heard a journalist on Jane Velez say that Baez had been going around town referring to Casey as 'his girl." WTF? I think he is bewitched with an emphasis on the witch.

Remember how Jesse Grund keeps saying it was like there were two Caseys? I keep wondering if there were warning signs that G & C should have observed after she "changed"? Did she spank Caylee too hard or jerk her around or even appear more angry and hostile toward her? It's hard to believe such a loving mother could suddenly snap. JMO

[Justice Denied?]

HUH? Gee, hope he meant to say "his client" and just couldn't get out that many syllables.

Ditto the thanks about the post partum illnesses! :seeya:

The lady lawyer of JVM did make the comment that she has referred to her client as "My guy", like "I have to meet with my guy", with nothing sleezy intended. Not that I'm taking up for Baez. He needs to go back to defending DWIs, drug dealers and hookers.

[applesandorange]

Man, I do not "get" these people. What? is Cindy now some sort of lah de dah event planner? Is she going to turn these funerals/memorials into some sort of spectacles that will supposedly make up for a lifetime of shortcomings that Caylee suffered in less than three years on earth?

And what is up with mentioning LP in that blurb? Cindy's time would be better spent writing out a speech to thank the people who spent their time, money, sweat and tears looking for Caylee.

Effing ingrate. I see where Casey gets it.


I agree with everything you have said and on top of that I am adding that this really shows how much Cindy is thinking about Caylee. LP will not be invited to anything or let in? Well whether you like the man or not I don't think anyone can say that he doesn't have a heart for Caylee. He has been a huge part of trying to find her since the begining. If Cindy was thinking about Caylee she could surely put her personal feelings toward LP aside and let him go to the memorial for Caylee's sake.

I secong the effing ingrate comment. I again feel no sympathy for Cindy Anthony. She raised Casey to be what she is. :flamemad:

[applesandorange]

The tone in the 911 dispatchers voice when Kronk said he found the skull in the vicinity of the Anthony home kind of summed up how everyone felt when they heard the news. Not surprised, but very sad.
I must not have been paying much attention -- I knew Gator was in the Orlando area but didn't realize you were. You have every reason to be proud of the way OCSO has handled themselves. IMO they have acted like complete professionals throughout this investigation. The temptation to get their faces on all the tv talk shows must be overwhelming, but I haven't seen it happen. The chief (in the only press conf I've seen him do), looked and sounded sincerely broken up by this. Is he the one who recently retired?


You know I couldn't decide if the tone was due to sadness or a "here we go again with these calls" type tone. I think I will go with the sadness now.

[Justice Denied?]

The Shamshak guys talks about what may be held back that we don't know about; I've got my fingers crossed.

Also, there was a steak knife found in Casey's car, right? Did it match the partial set at the Ants' house?

I just don't think she could have used a knife on Caylee without leaving a mark on some of the bones. An almost 3 yr old's body is awfully small. I'm still betting on bed coverings.

[Justice Denied?]

The thing is, chloroform could still be an "accident", as much as doing that could be. I think there has to be some evidence of, sadly, a violent death. If a knife didn't touch a bone there wouldn't be a nick. Strangulation might not break bones in the neck due to the flexibility of juvenile bones...there could have been tons of soft tissue trauma that simply wouldn't show in a skeleton...too bad they didn't get it a lot earlier. But from what they are saying, I suspect that they have some smoking gun...maybe a pillowcase from the house with blood from suffocation on it?

(ps you are right, blood would be at the house if it was a knife, they'd know...)

Weren't the luminol tests at the Anthony home conducted AFTER the body was found? Would that not indicate that for some reason LE thought that Caylee was killed at the house and that the death caused bloodshed?

[lorettalockhorn]

The tone in the 911 dispatchers voice when Kronk said he found the skull in the vicinity of the Anthony home kind of summed up how everyone felt when they heard the news. Not surprised, but very sad.

I must not have been paying much attention -- I knew Gator was in the Orlando area but didn't realize you were. You have every reason to be proud of the way OCSO has handled themselves. IMO they have acted like complete professionals throughout this investigation. The temptation to get their faces on all the tv talk shows must be overwhelming, but I haven't seen it happen. The chief (in the only press conf I've seen him do), looked and sounded sincerely broken up by this. Is he the one who recently retired?

No, I'm in BFE Arkansas. The operator that Kronk reached the fourth time did sound concerned, but the first (or third?) operator was extremely blase sounding. My guys on the other hand know every dirt tract and wooded area of the 800+ square miles in my county. OR they will bother to pull up a map; they're like pit bulls. They don't let go. The one operator that Kronk talked to didn't even seem familiar with Hidden Oaks Elementary School. Thank God the building wasn't on fire.

Overall though, I think OCSO has done a great job for Caylee

[lorettalockhorn]

I just don't think she could have used a knife on Caylee without leaving a mark on some of the bones. An almost 3 yr old's body is awfully small. I'm still betting on bed coverings.

I was referring to a comment that javahog (I think) made about a set of steak knives at the Anthony home missing one knife; I'm pretty sure a steak knife was found in Casey's car. Don't necessarily think that she used it on Caylee, but she could have used it to cut the duct tape, and there could be adhesive on the knife.

Taking that knife when she left the house would indicate premeditation to me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Weren't the luminol tests at the Anthony home conducted AFTER the body was found? Would that not indicate that for some reason LE thought that Caylee was killed at the house and that the death caused bloodshed?

Yes, and could have been looking for urine and stool. At the moment of death the bladder and bowels empty.

[lorettalockhorn]

What do Casey Anthony -- and other inmates -- buy behind bars?

...A jail official recently corrected CNN's Nancy Grace when the host talked about a "shrimp cocktail" Anthony had ordered. The closest thing in stock is a shrimp-flavored instant lunch of ramen noodles, jail spokesman Allen Moore said...


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/food/orl-jail1009jan10,0,759970.story

[Justice Denied?]

I don't know if this has been posted yet, comments from the Anthony lawyer about the memorial? http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

how can they "invite" people to a "public" memorial, or not let them in? If it is that hard to get into the public memorial, the actual funeral must be the most exclusive in history!

At least there was no assertion of innocence in this statement. But as for the Anthony's "standing behind" Casey and wanting to know "the truth", well, the truth is clear, and sadly all they are going to learn from here on is details they really don't want to know...:(

Clicked on the other link and heard the body language expert say that Casey appears to have a "school girl crush" on Baez, but that he remains professional. Her weight gain in jail is atributed to boredom. No cell phone, I guess. Can you imagine what she will weigh 20 years down the line?

[javahog]

Clicked on the other link and heard the body language expert say that Casey appears to have a "school girl crush" on Baez, but that he remains professional. Her weight gain in jail is atributed to boredom. No cell phone, I guess. Can you imagine what she will weigh 20 years down the line?

Hoo, yeah... http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/yabbahut2.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[Justice Denied?]

I was referring to a comment that javahog (I think) made about a set of steak knives at the Anthony home missing one knife; I'm pretty sure a steak knife was found in Casey's car. Don't necessarily think that she used it on Caylee, but she could have used it to cut the duct tape, and there could be adhesive on the knife.

Taking that knife when she left the house would indicate premeditation to me.

I never thought of that. Good thinking on your part. Perhaps if it was a serated edge they could match it with marks on the tape???

[lorettalockhorn]

Clicked on the other link and heard the body language expert say that Casey appears to have a "school girl crush" on Baez, but that he remains professional. Her weight gain in jail is atributed to boredom. No cell phone, I guess. Can you imagine what she will weigh 20 years down the line?

Um yeah. I don't think that was the sound of her leg irons and shackles that preceded her into the courtroom the other day, it was her thighs rubbing together. She bought that cocoa butter lotion to be able to get into her dorm attire. She's gone from sl^t to slug in less than four months. Who'da thunk texting burns so many calories?!

http://i12.tinypic.com/29fcwv9.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

Um yeah. I don't think that was the sound of her leg irons and shackles that preceded her into the courtroom the other day, it was her thighs rubbing together. She bought that cocoa butter lotion to be able to get into her dorm attire. She's gone from **** to slug in less than four months. Who'da thunk texting burns so many calories?!http://i12.tinypic.com/29fcwv9.jpg

Again you have cracked me up. It does please me to think of Casey sitting in a cell with nothing but a book to read.

[javahog]

I don't know if you guys follow any other discussions of this, but when I was doing some googlification today I ran into an active discussion...someone has found that 2 properties at the corner of Hopespring and Suburban are owned or occupied by a ******* Gonzales and a Zenaida *****. If you continue the property line out, it points right to the discovery site.

And Lee was talking about LE having the directions to the "T" (paraphrased)...and Suburban and Hopespring come to a T intersection.

So, Caylee was with Zenaida/Gonzalez...if you followed her clues to the "T"

How weird is that?

(I don't think we can post links to other boards, right? I have to go over TOS...)

[lorettalockhorn]

Again you have cracked me up. It does please me to think of Casey sitting in a cell with nothing but a book to read.

Hey JD! :seeya: Speaking of reading, I'm dying to know if she ever did a book report on those Kathryn Lasky books when she was in school, or if anyone remembers that she owned them, read them, or checked them out of the library.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know if you guys follow any other discussions of this, but when I was doing some googlification today I ran into an active discussion...someone has found that 2 properties at the corner of Hopespring and Suburban are owned or occupied by a ******* Gonzales and a Zenaida *****. If you continue the property line out, it points right to the discovery site.

And Lee was talking about LE having the directions to the "T" (paraphrased)...and Suburban and Hopespring come to a T intersection.

So, Caylee was with Zenaida/Gonzalez...if you followed her clues to the "T"

How weird is that?

(I don't think we can post links to other boards, right? I have to go over TOS...)

I don't think we have a TOS anymore! FH2O's rule used to be that you could post links to message boards, but not to blogs.

Anyway, that is interesting in a psycho cryptic sort of way! Thanks!

[One2Snoop]

I don't know if you guys follow any other discussions of this, but when I was doing some googlification today I ran into an active discussion...someone has found that 2 properties at the corner of Hopespring and Suburban are owned or occupied by a ******* Gonzales and a Zenaida *****. If you continue the property line out, it points right to the discovery site.

And Lee was talking about LE having the directions to the "T" (paraphrased)...and Suburban and Hopespring come to a T intersection.

So, Caylee was with Zenaida/Gonzalez...if you followed her clues to the "T"

How weird is that?

(I don't think we can post links to other boards, right? I have to go over TOS...)

I was reading something about that last night but was to tired to follow what was going on. :eek: So that's where the name Zenaida - Gonzalez came from - they are her neighbors?


TOS? Do we have a TOS? :biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

:eek: WTH? :eek:

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Once Arrested On Kidnapping Charge
Meter Reader Likely To Grant Network TV Interview

POSTED: Friday, January 9, 2009
UPDATED: 1:46 pm EST January 10, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. --

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.

Roy Kronk, an Orange County water meter reader, found Caylee's remains Dec. 11 off Suburban Drive, less than half a mile from the Hopespring Drive home of George and Cindy Anthony, where Caylee lived with her mother, Casey Anthony.

Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death.

Kronk said in a statement issued to Local 6 News that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.

"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

Local 6 News reported that it is awaiting Orange County to reveal Kronk's criminal background check.

Meanwhile, Kronk will likely give a network television interview next week, although it's not known if he will be paid a licensing fee, Local 6 News reported.

Kronk's attorney, David Evans, told Local 6 News on Friday that it is likely his client will likely give the interview Monday or Tuesday. Evans would not say which network would conduct the interview. It's customary for networks to pay expenses for its guests -- which Evans said would happen -- but he would not say if Kronk was being paid for the interview.

"Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year, and that battle brought him down to his last dime," said Evans, who added that he would like to find a way to get his client some compensation.

Kronk's only comments since the discovery were made three weeks ago when he held a news conference and issued a brief statement.

"Back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the sheriff's communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area," Kronk said in August. "I have been and will continue to cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation by the sheriff's office and the FBI. I have provided detailed information to law enforcement but I respectfully decline at this time to get into the details of what I saw at the crime scene."

There are numerous conspiracy theories that have circulated about Kronk's role in the case, and Evans said his client feels the time is right to set the record straight.

Evans said he is preparing Kronk for all types of scrutiny.

Sources told Local 6 News that Evans has been unwilling to allow Kronk to answer questions from Casey Anthony's defense team.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html#-

[javahog]

I don't think we have a TOS anymore! FH2O's rule used to be that you could post links to message boards, but not to blogs.

Anyway, that is interesting in a psycho cryptic sort of way! Thanks!

Well, here it is-I define it as a message board, so please forgive me, PTB, if its not...(ps, this is somewhere in the middle, I can't find the first post on this) It was so weird to find this, because I was googling "Zenaida" and "Hopespring" thinking she might have known one on her own street, and someone hella beat me to it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4367.1040

[javahog]

I was reading something about that last night but was to tired to follow what was going on. :eek: So that's where the name Zenaida - Gonzalez came from - they are her neighbors?


TOS? Do we have a TOS? :biggrin:

Hey, you can't blame a girl for asking! I was once unfairly banned by a very...cold...moderator a long time ago...don't want that to happen again. It hurt my widdle feelings!

[SaraSidle]

The Body Farm's report indicated that Caylee was in the trunk for two days, but I noticed someone on NG stated 2.5 days. If George lied about seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th, that pretty well fits. If he was telling the truth, the timeline/window that the forensic botanists and entomologists have reported still fits.

I really think Caylee was in that trunk until the 18th when Casey tried to bury her in the backyard using the neighbor's shovel. When that was too much work, she dumped her near The Zone. Her very own safe spot/pet cemetery.

Stone cold b!tch, she is.

thank you Loretta Many times I forget to think outside the box. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

:eek: WTH? :eek:

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Once Arrested On Kidnapping Charge
Meter Reader Likely To Grant Network TV Interview

POSTED: Friday, January 9, 2009
UPDATED: 1:46 pm EST January 10, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. --

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.

Roy Kronk, an Orange County water meter reader, found Caylee's remains Dec. 11 off Suburban Drive, less than half a mile from the Hopespring Drive home of George and Cindy Anthony, where Caylee lived with her mother, Casey Anthony.

Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death.

Kronk said in a statement issued to Local 6 News that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.

"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

Local 6 News reported that it is awaiting Orange County to reveal Kronk's criminal background check.

Meanwhile, Kronk will likely give a network television interview next week, although it's not known if he will be paid a licensing fee, Local 6 News reported.

Kronk's attorney, David Evans, told Local 6 News on Friday that it is likely his client will likely give the interview Monday or Tuesday. Evans would not say which network would conduct the interview. It's customary for networks to pay expenses for its guests -- which Evans said would happen -- but he would not say if Kronk was being paid for the interview.

"Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year, and that battle brought him down to his last dime," said Evans, who added that he would like to find a way to get his client some compensation.

Kronk's only comments since the discovery were made three weeks ago when he held a news conference and issued a brief statement.

"Back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the sheriff's communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area," Kronk said in August. "I have been and will continue to cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation by the sheriff's office and the FBI. I have provided detailed information to law enforcement but I respectfully decline at this time to get into the details of what I saw at the crime scene."

There are numerous conspiracy theories that have circulated about Kronk's role in the case, and Evans said his client feels the time is right to set the record straight.

Evans said he is preparing Kronk for all types of scrutiny.

Sources told Local 6 News that Evans has been unwilling to allow Kronk to answer questions from Casey Anthony's defense team.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html#-

Well, I got so far as to learn that he had worked as a bail/bondsman in TN at one time, but didn't know this! So much for my armchair detective skills!

[lorettalockhorn]

Well, here it is-I define it as a message board, so please forgive me, PTB, if its not...(ps, this is somewhere in the middle, I can't find the first post on this) It was so weird to find this, because I was googling "Zenaida" and "Hopespring" thinking she might have known one on her own street, and someone hella beat me to it!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4367.1040

Thanks java!

BTW Link to the OC property appraiser records, scroll to bottom of the page, click "I've Read and Accept" and you can search by name, address, etc. Great system:

http://www.ocpafl.org/disclaimer_map.html

[One2Snoop]

Geraldo is on now spewing that Kronk was accused of rape. :eek: I do believe Geraldo has just set himself up for a lawsuit.

[javahog]

I was reading something about that last night but was to tired to follow what was going on. :eek: So that's where the name Zenaida - Gonzalez came from - they are her neighbors?


TOS? Do we have a TOS? :biggrin:

Its weirder than that...

At 4709 Hopespring Dr. lives a woman named Zenaida. 4701 Hopespring is owned by a "Gonzalez" (it is for sale). They are right next door to each other at the T intersection of Hopespring and Suburban. But if you follow the fence line BETWEEN the two properties out into the wooded area, Caylee was found right ON the property line of the two houses.

How whack IS crack???? Could this be the bit of truth in her every lie? She actually WAS with Zenaida/Gonzalez???? So where does Sawgrass Zanny fit in...my mind is boggled.

Planet Casey is very odd...

[SaraSidle]

I've thought about how difficult it would have been to pick her up; she would have had to be in a bag to move her by the 18th. I really believe that Caylee was in that trunk for the two days, but the shovel could have punctured the bag. (And I can see Casey giving up on digging a grave after about thirty seconds.) We know that the body or the clothes or something associated with Caylee's death was on the ground in at least two places, I just don't think she was ever in the ground. I'm trying to think like Casey; trying to "be the creature". So to speak.

I too believe she was in the bag from the beginning cause otherwise it would be too hard to move her around decompensating. LP said he did not think the top was secure and that is why we have hair in the trunk. SHe also may have truly wanted to bury Caylee but found the shovel did not do much good in the swampy area. all just guesses of course. IMO sara

[Justice Denied?]

Hey JD! :seeya: Speaking of reading, I'm dying to know if she ever did a book report on those Kathryn Lasky books when she was in school, or if anyone remembers that she owned them, read them, or checked them out of the library.

I know I never heard of these books before this case, but my children are older. .don't think my granddaughters ever read them. Don't know how popular they were or how well they sold. They are still for sell on Amazon. I'm betting she did though.

[SaraSidle]

Geraldo is on now spewing that Kronk was accused of rape. :eek: I do believe Geraldo has just set himself up for a lawsuit.

Boy O2S I did not see that but you may be right. If I was an innocent Kronk I would go for it. Sara

[SaraSidle]

:eek: WTH? :eek:

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Once Arrested On Kidnapping Charge
Meter Reader Likely To Grant Network TV Interview

POSTED: Friday, January 9, 2009
UPDATED: 1:46 pm EST January 10, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. --

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.

Roy Kronk, an Orange County water meter reader, found Caylee's remains Dec. 11 off Suburban Drive, less than half a mile from the Hopespring Drive home of George and Cindy Anthony, where Caylee lived with her mother, Casey Anthony.

Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death.

Kronk said in a statement issued to Local 6 News that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.

"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

Local 6 News reported that it is awaiting Orange County to reveal Kronk's criminal background check.

Meanwhile, Kronk will likely give a network television interview next week, although it's not known if he will be paid a licensing fee, Local 6 News reported.

Kronk's attorney, David Evans, told Local 6 News on Friday that it is likely his client will likely give the interview Monday or Tuesday. Evans would not say which network would conduct the interview. It's customary for networks to pay expenses for its guests -- which Evans said would happen -- but he would not say if Kronk was being paid for the interview.

"Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year, and that battle brought him down to his last dime," said Evans, who added that he would like to find a way to get his client some compensation.

Kronk's only comments since the discovery were made three weeks ago when he held a news conference and issued a brief statement.

"Back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the sheriff's communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area," Kronk said in August. "I have been and will continue to cooperate fully with the ongoing investigation by the sheriff's office and the FBI. I have provided detailed information to law enforcement but I respectfully decline at this time to get into the details of what I saw at the crime scene."

There are numerous conspiracy theories that have circulated about Kronk's role in the case, and Evans said his client feels the time is right to set the record straight.

Evans said he is preparing Kronk for all types of scrutiny.

Sources told Local 6 News that Evans has been unwilling to allow Kronk to answer questions from Casey Anthony's defense team.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html#-

this just keeps getting stranger. thanks for the post sara

[SaraSidle]

I never thought of that. Good thinking on your part. Perhaps if it was a serated edge they could match it with marks on the tape???

not to disagree but I remember it as a plain old dinner knife found with the pants and 2 pair of shoes in the back seat ....I could be wrong. sara

[One2Snoop]

Its weirder than that...

At 4709 Hopespring Dr. lives a woman named Zenaida. 4701 Hopespring is owned by a "Gonzalez" (it is for sale). They are right next door to each other at the T intersection of Hopespring and Suburban. But if you follow the fence line BETWEEN the two properties out into the wooded area, Caylee was found right ON the property line of the two houses.

How whack IS crack???? Could this be the bit of truth in her every lie? She actually WAS with Zenaida/Gonzalez???? So where does Sawgrass Zanny fit in...my mind is boggled.

Planet Casey is very odd...

Is there a Fernandez in the vicinity too? :eek:

[One2Snoop]

not to disagree but I remember it as a plain old dinner knife found with the pants and 2 pair of shoes in the back seat ....I could be wrong. sara

I also remember it being a dinner knife.

[deputydi]

The thing is, chloroform could still be an "accident", as much as doing that could be. I think there has to be some evidence of, sadly, a violent death. If a knife didn't touch a bone there wouldn't be a nick. Strangulation might not break bones in the neck due to the flexibility of juvenile bones...there could have been tons of soft tissue trauma that simply wouldn't show in a skeleton...too bad they didn't get it a lot earlier. But from what they are saying, I suspect that they have some smoking gun...maybe a pillowcase from the house with blood from suffocation on it?


(ps you are right, blood would be at the house if it was a knife, they'd know...)
How could the chloroform possibly still be an accident? It is an illegal substance and, if given to Caylee to quiet her or put her to sleep, that equates to an illegal use of the illegal substance. That is first degree murder!

Just because it was probably what is called a "soft kill" doesn't mean Casey can't be convicted of capital murder.

[javahog]

Geraldo is on now spewing that Kronk was accused of rape. :eek: I do believe Geraldo has just set himself up for a lawsuit.

I don't like Geraldo. I imagine the Lawyers at Fox don't like him much right now either.

[lorettalockhorn]

Its weirder than that...

At 4709 Hopespring Dr. lives a woman named Zenaida. 4701 Hopespring is owned by a "Gonzalez" (it is for sale). They are right next door to each other at the T intersection of Hopespring and Suburban. But if you follow the fence line BETWEEN the two properties out into the wooded area, Caylee was found right ON the property line of the two houses.

How whack IS crack???? Could this be the bit of truth in her every lie? She actually WAS with Zenaida/Gonzalez???? So where does Sawgrass Zanny fit in...my mind is boggled.

Planet Casey is very odd...

No chit! Found those two on the whitepages reverse search.

[lighthousedazy]

not to disagree but I remember it as a plain old dinner knife found with the pants and 2 pair of shoes in the back seat ....I could be wrong. sara
I remember dinner knife too. I wonder if it could be either, a steak knife or a butter knife. :confused:

[SaraSidle]

Some kind of algae or plant life that LP thinks would be stuck to the car if it went "offroad"...I don't see how useful that would be, LP. I've never dumped a body in my Bug, but it has been offroad...

Hey java I remember a NG show where they were checking underneath Casey's car for dirt and turpin and any other evidence!!!!!!!! sara

[One2Snoop]

No chit! Found those two on the whitepages reverse search.

White pages link....

http://www.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=74101371301877459954&form_mode=&lower=1&view=

[javahog]

How could the chloroform possibly still be an accident? It is an illegal substance and, if given to Caylee to quiet her or put her to sleep, that equates to an illegal use of the illegal substance. That is first degree murder!

Just because it was probably what is called a "soft kill" doesn't mean Casey can't be convicted of capital murder.

How on earth could you think that I would consider chloroforming and stuffing a baby in a trunk to go get laid is any less immoral or illegal than premeditated suffocation? Of COURSE it would be capitol murder, and I never said otherwise!

But it sounds like LE has even more than we know, and they can prove it was no accident anyway.

[SaraSidle]

Rarely watch Greta, so thanks for the link!



Omigosh! So glad that I'm not the only one who micro-manages the trash!

http://i21.tinypic.com/11t7wuh.jpg

oh no garbage pickers :eek::chicken:

[khristmaskathy]

Why do you think Casey made that flurry of phone calls? Was she going to act like she found Caylee dead or that she accidentally killed her? I'm curious as to what any of you think or what theories you might have heard.

Thank you and I hope everyone is having a good weekend.

[SaraSidle]

Make sure you hold a cross in your hand while participating in this activity. Otherwise, we may mot be able to get you back from "the Dark Side".

LOL nice one JD

[javahog]

I have had this deja vu thing going on, where Casey's stories and people are based on some reality...did any of you see the movie A Beautiful Mind?

[lorettalockhorn]

White pages link....

http://www.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=74101371301877459954&form_mode=&lower=1&view=

Yes, whitepages is where I found those two.

[lorettalockhorn]

I remember dinner knife too. I wonder if it could be either, a steak knife or a butter knife. :confused:

I've read steak knife, but don't remember where. I've also read a "dinnerware" knife, which to me means a white plastic knife that you get with cheap take-out. :shrug:

[Gatordog]

I've thought about how difficult it would have been to pick her up; she would have had to be in a bag to move her by the 18th. I really believe that Caylee was in that trunk for the two days, but the shovel could have punctured the bag. (And I can see Casey giving up on digging a grave after about thirty seconds.) We know that the body or the clothes or something associated with Caylee's death was on the ground in at least two places, I just don't think she was ever in the ground. I'm trying to think like Casey; trying to "be the creature". So to speak.

I can see it your way. I was thinking she used the shovel to pick up the body and put her in the plastic bag. It works either way.

Gator

[SaraSidle]

It could have be the suffocation and some kind of biological evidence but here is my thinking if you lay a child on the bed and chloroform her , I am not sure that is accidental or trying to babysit her.If you throw her in the trunk and go to a party, they might try to call it accidental even though it is still technically felony murder. But laying her on the bed per se in the middle of the day and then making phone calls to your friends. I don't know. I don't mean to be a know it all but almost always when stabbed the knife comes into contact with bones, almost always. But you could make a case for suffocation if something is on the pillow.Also tonight I heard they took pesticides. Now I have a question is there a pesticide that you could put on a rag that would out and out kill a child? Those pesticide containers, could she have put chloroform solution in those? I know I am reaching, but why did they take those pesticides. Maybe the fact that she looked up the words death and inhalation and if they find the chemical chloroform I think it is still a good case for premeditation.

I am so glad you are looking into all these details Mu8shark. I am too burnt out most of the time anymore on the details. Everything is so bizarre. sara

[SaraSidle]

I hear ya! But what I don't get is why is it that these guys who are licensed and surely want the respect of the public and LE, are going so far out of the way to avoid the proper channels of reporting important information. It just boggles the mind. So much forensic evidence lost.

Never mind all the time that Caylee was lying out there.

Exactly. It is wonderful news but all we have is hearsay and the form if it still exists. be great if there was a picture of Casey and her car at the site but I do not think that is happening. IMO sara

[lorettalockhorn]

I've read steak knife, but don't remember where. I've also read a "dinnerware" knife, which to me means a white plastic knife that you get with cheap take-out. :shrug:

Since talking to myself is second nature, posting to myself should be too!

According to P16, the knife was a dinnerware knife:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

(Maybe it had adhesive on it, but wouldn't carry the same weight for me as it would if Casey had taken a knife from a set out of the house. Premeditation-wise.)

[lorettalockhorn]

oh no garbage pickers :eek::chicken:

Quite the opposite. But I figure there are a few people in life you don't want to piss off. Like the guy who fixes your brakes. And the guy who picks up your trash. Imagine them seeking revenge. :eek:

[One2Snoop]

Equusearch coming back to Orlando to fight Baez request

Last Edited: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 7:41 PM EST
Created: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 7:41 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Tim Miller of the Texas based search group Equusearch is headed to Central Florida again.



The group helped in the search for missing toddler Caylee Anthony last year. Using thousands of local volunteers the group scoured several areas searching for any clues or remains of the toddler who was missing from June until her remains were found by a utility worker in December.

In court Thursday, Jose Baez who represents Casey Anthony the mother of the toddler who is charged with Caylee’s murder, asked for several motions concerning evidence in the case. Among them Baez wants Miller to turn over the names of volunteers, maps and tips the group received while they searched. Miller said Friday that he plans to fight Baez.

"We have a very small office and we are volunteers,” Miller said. and we have got over 20,000 copies of paperwork and that is going to be very time consuming and costly."

Miller added that his primary concern is about the private information collected from and about volunteers saying.

"This is just not one of those things I want Baez to have is all the information of 4,000 plus volunteers that came out there,” Miller said. “I am having a huge problem with that."

Miller said he wants to at least be able to redact information to protect the people who volunteer. If not he said it could set a precedent all over the country and he said that would deter much needed volunteers from helping in future searches.

Miller’s Florida based lawyer, Mark Nejame said he is reviewing that motion. He added that he could be filing his own motion in court early next week.

A judge has not ruled on all of the Baez motions yet.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226026&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[One2Snoop]

Well, I got so far as to learn that he had worked as a bail/bondsman in TN at one time, but didn't know this! So much for my armchair detective skills!

Take a looksee at what I found - :eek:

Scott Sampson, the meter readers supervisor lives 7 houses away from Anthonys.
Roy lives in St. Cloud, with Michele Carpentiere, who works at the jail!!
Kronk lived in Kingsport Tenn, worked with Sandra Hensley who owns bail bond company. He knows the bail bond business.
How did KC get word to Roy? KC to Lee to Meter reader supervisor to Roy
Kronk said he was a bounty hunter on Sept 2nd to others in the area.

[Brainstorm]

Its a dam shame at what lengths some people go to to distract from the TRUTH.

[Gatordog]

Remember how Jesse Grund keeps saying it was like there were two Caseys? I keep wondering if there were warning signs that G & C should have observed after she "changed"? Did she spank Caylee too hard or jerk her around or even appear more angry and hostile toward her? It's hard to believe such a loving mother could suddenly snap. JMO

Justice, it's not how she acted in front of people, but how she acted when alone with Caylee. She was the perfect mother when people were present. Supposedly she never spanked or was harsh with Caylee, in front of others. I don't think she suddenly snapped, she grew tired of being a mother. When Caylee was a baby, the Liar probably loved the attention and considered the baby's compliments, to be her compliments. Caylee was becoming a little person and was getting attention on her own which her mother couldn't compete.

Gator

[javahog]

Since talking to myself is second nature, posting to myself should be too!

According to P16, the knife was a dinnerware knife:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

(Maybe it had adhesive on it, but wouldn't carry the same weight for me as it would if Casey had taken a knife from a set out of the house. Premeditation-wise.)

To me a dinnerware knife is the cheap everyday silverware...if it was a plastic takeout knife, Cindy would have just tossed it instead of washing it (and my speculation, putting it back in the drawer as it came from her house...)

[javahog]

Equusearch coming back to Orlando to fight Baez request

Last Edited: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 7:41 PM EST
Created: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 7:41 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Tim Miller of the Texas based search group Equusearch is headed to Central Florida again.



The group helped in the search for missing toddler Caylee Anthony last year. Using thousands of local volunteers the group scoured several areas searching for any clues or remains of the toddler who was missing from June until her remains were found by a utility worker in December.

In court Thursday, Jose Baez who represents Casey Anthony the mother of the toddler who is charged with Caylee’s murder, asked for several motions concerning evidence in the case. Among them Baez wants Miller to turn over the names of volunteers, maps and tips the group received while they searched. Miller said Friday that he plans to fight Baez.

"We have a very small office and we are volunteers,” Miller said. and we have got over 20,000 copies of paperwork and that is going to be very time consuming and costly."

Miller added that his primary concern is about the private information collected from and about volunteers saying.

"This is just not one of those things I want Baez to have is all the information of 4,000 plus volunteers that came out there,” Miller said. “I am having a huge problem with that."

Miller said he wants to at least be able to redact information to protect the people who volunteer. If not he said it could set a precedent all over the country and he said that would deter much needed volunteers from helping in future searches.

Miller’s Florida based lawyer, Mark Nejame said he is reviewing that motion. He added that he could be filing his own motion in court early next week.

A judge has not ruled on all of the Baez motions yet.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226026&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Good for Miller for fighting it! If I knew I would be dragged into some court case and my info be made public, I would think twice before volunteering, so he is right! How many missing children will not be found if this is allowed?!

Baez is an ()()

[lorettalockhorn]

To me a dinnerware knife is the cheap everyday silverware...if it was a plastic takeout knife, Cindy would have just tossed it instead of washing it (and my speculation, putting it back in the drawer as it came from her house...)

No telling what the report means, but when I was a hospital buyer, dinnerware was the term used for disposable tableware. My silver is silverware, and my stainless is flatware. I guess it's one of those things like dinner and supper; there is a specific meaning, but people have their own personal meaning.

LMAO at the thought of Cindy hoarding plastic forks and spoons and knives. :hat:

[One2Snoop]

Good for Miller for fighting it! If I knew I would be dragged into some court case and my info be made public, I would think twice before volunteering, so he is right! How many missing children will not be found if this is allowed?!

Baez is an ()()

I'm glad he's fighting it too! What a freakin' circus. http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/rolleye/rolleye0018.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-innocent-smileys.php)

[lorettalockhorn]

Take a looksee at what I found - :eek:

I just read that at SM. LP's daisy chain!

[Amy]

Equusearch coming back to Orlando to fight Baez request

Last Edited: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 7:41 PM EST
Created: Friday, 09 Jan 2009, 7:41 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Tim Miller of the Texas based search group Equusearch is headed to Central Florida again.



The group helped in the search for missing toddler Caylee Anthony last year. Using thousands of local volunteers the group scoured several areas searching for any clues or remains of the toddler who was missing from June until her remains were found by a utility worker in December.

In court Thursday, Jose Baez who represents Casey Anthony the mother of the toddler who is charged with Caylee’s murder, asked for several motions concerning evidence in the case. Among them Baez wants Miller to turn over the names of volunteers, maps and tips the group received while they searched. Miller said Friday that he plans to fight Baez.

"We have a very small office and we are volunteers,” Miller said. and we have got over 20,000 copies of paperwork and that is going to be very time consuming and costly."

Miller added that his primary concern is about the private information collected from and about volunteers saying.

"This is just not one of those things I want Baez to have is all the information of 4,000 plus volunteers that came out there,” Miller said. “I am having a huge problem with that."

Miller said he wants to at least be able to redact information to protect the people who volunteer. If not he said it could set a precedent all over the country and he said that would deter much needed volunteers from helping in future searches.

Miller’s Florida based lawyer, Mark Nejame said he is reviewing that motion. He added that he could be filing his own motion in court early next week.

A judge has not ruled on all of the Baez motions yet.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226026&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Hmmm....costly. Bill all materials, time for compiling information, time for copying, etc etc etc to Mr Baez, that will certainly make him take a second look @ exactly WHAT information might be important to his client's case.

[javahog]

No telling what the report means, but when I was a hospital buyer, dinnerware was the term used for disposable tableware. My silver is silverware, and my stainless is flatware. I guess it's one of those things like dinner and supper; there is a specific meaning, but people have their own personal meaning.

LMAO at the thought of Cindy hoarding plastic forks and spoons and knives. :hat:

When we find a set that matches in the drawer, we just call it "lucky"!

Add Cindy balling up tinfoil and saving it for a rainy day with all the plasticware, and you've got quite the picture there!

[javahog]

Take a looksee at what I found - :eek:

Joy.

Just once in some case, can't some octogenarian nun find evidence?

[lorettalockhorn]

Good for Miller for fighting it! If I knew I would be dragged into some court case and my info be made public, I would think twice before volunteering, so he is right! How many missing children will not be found if this is allowed?!

Baez is an ()()

I thought the motion seemed overly cumbersome and an invasion of privacy, and was wondering if a FL judge could compel this type of personal information from a TX corporation. But then BiAss was thinking on his feet and pointed out that TES took remuneration from the OCSO. Anyway, glad to see that NeJame is on the case.

Is this some sort of fishing expedition?

[lorettalockhorn]

When we find a set that matches in the drawer, we just call it "lucky"!

Add Cindy balling up tinfoil and saving it for a rainy day with all the plasticware, and you've got quite the picture there!

LMAO 1/10oz. ketchup packages.

[javahog]

LMAO 1/10oz. ketchup packages.

har!

[SaraSidle]

Sara
I am keeping in mind what Loretta said about Caylee helping LE now though the investigation. It's her way of telling us what happened. That has helped me a lot to focus on the strides that have made evidence wise. I still cry, I am not going to say I don't...
My daughter, whom I adopted, is unable to have children. She is in the process of adopting and it seems so unfair to me that someone like Casey who could have cared less, had a child. But I have to turn that thinking around and look at the fact that Casey will be punished for what she did. her partying days are over and she may even get the DP who knows.. Peace...

Thanks Woostock. we are on the same page and I really appreciate your post. I am sure your daughter will be great. sara

[Gatordog]

I went to the burial site and did not get arrested for trespassing. :) They would have had to take about 15 other people to the pokey along with me. There was a constant flow of people paying their respects.

I spread 8 packets of seeds. Four were sunflower and four were other types of flowers. I mixed all the seeds together and spread them in an area about 30'x30' where all the plants were dug up and removed. Someone had planted poinsettias along the back of the fence, very near the area.

Lee's car was in the driveway. I had posted that the Live/Laugh/Love plaques had been removed from the house. They were there, just hard to see since they had faded from the sun.

Can someone tell me how to add the photos?

Gator

[SaraSidle]

Quite the opposite. But I figure there are a few people in life you don't want to piss off. Like the guy who fixes your brakes. And the guy who picks up your trash. Imagine them seeking revenge. :eek:

I may have nightmares now.........sara:chicken:

[Spider]

I went to the burial site and did not get arrested for trespassing. They would have had to take about 15 other people to the pokey along with me. There was a constant flow of people paying their respects.

I spread 8 packets of seeds. Four were sunflower and four were other types of flowers. I mixed all the seeds together and spread them in an area about 30'x30' where all the plants were dug up and removed. Someone had planted poinsettias along the back of the fence, very near the area.

Lee's car was in the driveway. I had posted that the Live/Laugh/Love plaques had been removed from the house. They were there, just hard to see since they had faded from the sun.

Can someone tell me how to add the photos?

Gator



Thanks Gator. You're the best:patriot:

[SaraSidle]

:rose:I went to the burial site and did not get arrested for trespassing. :) They would have had to take about 15 other people to the pokey along with me. There was a constant flow of people paying their respects.

I spread 8 packets of seeds. Four were sunflower and four were other types of flowers. I mixed all the seeds together and spread them in an area about 30'x30' where all the plants were dug up and removed. Someone had planted poinsettias along the back of the fence, very near the area.

Lee's car was in the driveway. I had posted that the Live/Laugh/Love plaques had been removed from the house. They were there, just hard to see since they had faded from the sun.

Can someone tell me how to add the photos?

Gator

I wish I could help you out with the photos Gator but I still think it is a wonderful gesture with the seeds. thank you so much. sara:rose::rose::rose:

[SaraSidle]

har!

and mayonaise,mustard,salt and pepper IMO sara

[deputydi]

Is there a Fernandez in the vicinity too? :eek:
The first name of the Gonzales who lives at 4701 is FREDESVIND -- close enough, isn't? Good grief -- she put all these names together to form one huge clue as to where the body was. Un freaking believable,

[lorettalockhorn]

Gator, for some reason I can't reply to you, but I'm trying to say:

Gator, that's great! We were standing by to give you an alibi and say that it was the other Gator who was trespassing!

After you download the photos onto your computer, if you have a photobucket account, you can use the message board code to post pix here, or you can go to tinypic.com and browse from your puter, click upload, give the pic a name, and then select the message board code. (IMG)

[One2Snoop]

I went to the burial site and did not get arrested for trespassing. :) They would have had to take about 15 other people to the pokey along with me. There was a constant flow of people paying their respects.

I spread 8 packets of seeds. Four were sunflower and four were other types of flowers. I mixed all the seeds together and spread them in an area about 30'x30' where all the plants were dug up and removed. Someone had planted poinsettias along the back of the fence, very near the area.

Lee's car was in the driveway. I had posted that the Live/Laugh/Love plaques had been removed from the house. They were there, just hard to see since they had faded from the sun.

Can someone tell me how to add the photos?

Gator

That was really sweet of you to do that. Thanks. :rose:

[deputydi]

The first name of the Gonzales who lives at 4701 is FREDESVIND -- close enough, isn't? Good grief -- she put all these names together to form one huge clue as to where the body was. Un freaking believable,
I'm quoting my own post cause I'm seriously confused.

On White Pages 4701 and 4709 Hopespring is owned by someone named Zenaida something and Fredesvind Gonzales respectively. On the Orange County Assessment site two completely different names are listed as the owners. Can someone please explain.

[One2Snoop]

The first name of the Gonzales who lives at 4701 is FREDESVIND -- close enough, isn't? Good grief -- she put all these names together to form one huge clue as to where the body was. Un freaking believable,


Yup close enough although was running into the Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass just a coincidence? I guess I can't figure out how she got so lucky.

[Gatordog]

Gator, for some reason I can't reply to you, but I'm trying to say:

Gator, that's great! We were standing by to give you an alibi and say that it was the other Gator who was trespassing!

After you download the photos onto your computer, if you have a photobucket account, you can use the message board code to post pix here, or you can go to tinypic.com and browse from your puter, click upload, give the pic a name, and then select the message board code. (IMG)

Detective, you have the wrong person, I swear. It's the truth, in my gut I know it was Zenaida Gator who trespassed. She pushed me down in Jay Blanchard Park and stole my car keys and took my car 31 days ago. I've been looking for it for 31 days. Yesterday I went to McDonalds to see if it was there. Last week I went to Friendly's and had a hot fudge sundae. I didn't want it, but I had to fit in with the crowd so no one would suspect was secretly searching for my car. I would eat hot fudge sundaes, eat double cheeseburgers or drink double latte frappachinos at Starbucks to get my car back. I'd do whatever it takes. It's the truth. :D

Gator

[Brainstorm]

Bless You for doing that, Gator........ Seeds will sprout,flowers will grow and PLEASE, then share some pics of that spot,so those of us can be there,in spirit, with you, when you stop to pay respects.THANKS

[One2Snoop]

I'm quoting my own post cause I'm seriously confused.

On White Pages 4701 and 4709 Hopespring is owned by someone named Zenaida something and Fredesvind Gonzales respectively. On the Orange County Assessment site two completely different names are listed as the owners. Can someone please explain.

Renters maybe? If you look at the Zenaida address I believe - it showed 3 different names for that address.

[abbra]

I went to the burial site and did not get arrested for trespassing. :) They would have had to take about 15 other people to the pokey along with me. There was a constant flow of people paying their respects.

I spread 8 packets of seeds. Four were sunflower and four were other types of flowers. I mixed all the seeds together and spread them in an area about 30'x30' where all the plants were dug up and removed. Someone had planted poinsettias along the back of the fence, very near the area.

Lee's car was in the driveway. I had posted that the Live/Laugh/Love plaques had been removed from the house. They were there, just hard to see since they had faded from the sun.

Can someone tell me how to add the photos?

Gator


Thanks Gator for being our spokesperson at Little Caylees site. Wildflowers and Sunflowers are perfect flowers to plant for Caylee.

[Woostock]

Gatordog
thanks for doing that.I love the idea of the sunflowers. Perfect!

[lighthousedazy]

I went to the burial site and did not get arrested for trespassing. :) They would have had to take about 15 other people to the pokey along with me. There was a constant flow of people paying their respects.

I spread 8 packets of seeds. Four were sunflower and four were other types of flowers. I mixed all the seeds together and spread them in an area about 30'x30' where all the plants were dug up and removed. Someone had planted poinsettias along the back of the fence, very near the area.

Lee's car was in the driveway. I had posted that the Live/Laugh/Love plaques had been removed from the house. They were there, just hard to see since they had faded from the sun.

Can someone tell me how to add the photos?

Gator
Thanks Gator and thank you again for the local news with this case. :)

[javahog]

Yup close enough although was running into the Zenaida Gonzalez at Sawgrass just a coincidence? I guess I can't figure out how she got so lucky.

This is an effing waste of time, your honor-no Jose, this has to be said!-I was not referring to this Zenaida, I was giving the location of the body dump, but my idiot brother sent the PI to the Zone instead of the dump site. No way I owe her a dime!

I can dream. One has to be a coincidence, right, unless she was guided by Beelzebub...? Or had this WAY planned out. Somehow. I can't fit both together yet, either, but what are the odds of either one being a coincidence???

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm quoting my own post cause I'm seriously confused.

On White Pages 4701 and 4709 Hopespring is owned by someone named Zenaida something and Fredesvind Gonzales respectively. On the Orange County Assessment site two completely different names are listed as the owners. Can someone please explain.

Did you notice at the 4701 addy that the name is Fredesvinda Lebron? If you click on the parcel ID and then the first numbered document link, you will see that Peter Gonzalez sold the property to Fredesvinda; recorded on 5/5/08. Divorce?

4709 could be rental property.

[lorettalockhorn]

Detective, you have the wrong person, I swear. It's the truth, in my gut I know it was Zenaida Gator who trespassed. She pushed me down in Jay Blanchard Park and stole my car keys and took my car 31 days ago. I've been looking for it for 31 days. Yesterday I went to McDonalds to see if it was there. Last week I went to Friendly's and had a hot fudge sundae. I didn't want it, but I had to fit in with the crowd so no one would suspect was secretly searching for my car. I would eat hot fudge sundaes, eat double cheeseburgers or drink double latte frappachinos at Starbucks to get my car back. I'd do whatever it takes. It's the truth. :D

Gator

http://i18.tinypic.com/8el2er6.jpghttp://i26.tinypic.com/30cupoy.jpghttp://i3.tinypic.com/3zr11f9.jpg

mmmm Old dead cow and chocolate. My two favorite food groups!!

[applesandorange]

This is an effing waste of time, your honor-no Jose, this has to be said!-I was not referring to this Zenaida, I was giving the location of the body dump, but my idiot brother sent the PI to the Zone instead of the dump site. No way I owe her a dime!

I can dream. One has to be a coincidence, right, unless she was guided by Beelzebub...? Or had this WAY planned out. Somehow. I can't fit both together yet, either, but what are the odds of either one being a coincidence???


But she knew ZG kids names, the color car etc etc... This is very strange how the heck did she manage to do this?

[khristmaskathy]

Thank you for planting flowers for Caylee and I am so glad you are going to post the pictures! God bless you...

[javahog]

[/B]


But she knew ZG kids names, the color car etc etc... This is very strange how the heck did she manage to do this?

Okay, this is whacked, but I read that a friend of hers had a girlfriend with the same names in her family, including a Zenaida-I will hunt link now....so don't count this until I find it or someone else does...