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javahog
01-08-2009, 01:03 PM
Great posts and I'm trying to catch up here. Last night NG stunk. She belabored the point to the ultimate max and I was groaning the last twenty minutes. I got it the first time,, shaddaph and give us more information I was yelling at the TV.
Pete and Repeat went to the store. Pete left.
Who was left at the store?
Repeat!
Pete and Repeat went to the store,
Pete Left, who was left at the store?
Repeat!
Pete and ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~
Shoot me! :punch:
I'm catching up too. I live by the riots from the BART police shooting, so we kind of hunkered down and tracked the chaos from the local news choppers. So I missed NG.
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 01:07 PM
Okay, so LP says that he couldn't dial Nick Savage's number fast enough. Does that mean that the FBI didn't search for Caylee's body again? I get that D Casey didn't have a legal obligation to be a good samaritan. But did the FBI just not find the information to be credible?
I suspect there are a lot of people who don't take LP and his crazy theories very seriously. This may have been one of those times.:D
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 01:11 PM
Or maybe Casey made a deal with Baez that he can sell all the pics and videos he needs to to get his payment.:shrug:
That, I can believe.
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 01:13 PM
Well, I'm thinking it's more popular in the Mediterranean. I really think Casey just found a guest card with the name "Zenaida" on it through sheer dumb luck, and it played into her Zanny/Xanax stories (if you believe that she had drugged Caylee in the past). That there was a last name on the card was icing on the cake.
The Zenaida G. who is sueing also lost her driver's license in late spring. Who knows if the Liar came across it?
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm catching up too. I live by the riots from the BART police shooting, so we kind of hunkered down and tracked the chaos from the local news choppers. So I missed NG.
Stay safe Java http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
javahog
01-08-2009, 01:18 PM
The Zenaida G. who is sueing also lost her driver's license in late spring. Who knows if the Liar came across it?
Now THIS is an interesting daisy chain! Was ZG stalked? Dumb luck? Random computer searches?...
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 01:23 PM
Wonder who that will be? NG? LP (he might already have an attorney in his organization) Dr Lee (lol) The sheriff? Golly, there are so many people that are even on the fringes who might have to lawyer up.
Well, it's only fair that ALL the sleazy lawyers in Orlando are given employment.:D:biggrin:
javahog
01-08-2009, 01:29 PM
Stay safe Java http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-scared004.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
lol! just add 3 more smileys and a dog, and you got the picture!
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 01:34 PM
Ever since Baez failed to pick up the tips CD and complained about the cost I have thought that this law firm was strapped and as Casey has no money I wondered if they could even afford to be doing the case with the funds they have available.:shrug:
I suspect that Baez expects to get paid from a book or movie deal or some type licensing deal with a network or magazine.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 01:40 PM
Now THIS is an interesting daisy chain! Was ZG stalked? Dumb luck? Random computer searches?...
Didn't know about ZG's driver's license! I also read somewhere that another Zenaida Gonzalez at UCF (University of Central Florida?) had an office that was broken into and a computer stolen. But haven't found a news item about it yet.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 01:42 PM
I'm catching up too. I live by the riots from the BART police shooting, so we kind of hunkered down and tracked the chaos from the local news choppers. So I missed NG.
Scary! Glad you're safe. :seeya:
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 01:55 PM
Hey gang!!!
Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. I'm at my mom's for the winter break (she has satellite TV and we don't YET), and Katey's been hogging the internet...:(
First, I hope everyone had a Merry what-ever-you-celebrate-in-the-winter, and a Happy New Year!!!
Okay-I have a THEORY.
What if things were degrading in the Anthony household, and the Skank knew she was going to be forced to shape up or ship out???
I THINK that maybe she was trying to FAKE a kidnapping, and thinks went totally wrong.
Think about it. She had a pre-manufactured story about the nanny, then jumped to the nanny and family grabbing Caylee in the park. And all the script bull-chit.
That may have been her cover story for the family and LE alike.
"The nanny and family are holding Caylee-NOT sweet, innocent, pretty little ME."
I THINK that maybe she thought that she could hit Mommy and Daddy up for money by creating a kidnapping situation, and holding Caylee for ransom, but Caylee died in the process, due to the tape and chloroform.
That set in motion all the lies and wild goose chase.
What if the Skank made it a game with Caylee...
"Let's play a game!! I'll hide you in the trunk (while she was at Tony's), and we'll surprise Tony in a little while!!!"
Meanwhile, she gets Caylee dosed up with chloroform, tapes her up so she doesn't scream bloody murder if she wakes up early, and she either od's on the chloroform, or aspirates on her own vomit while taped up.
By the time the Skank comes back to the car, Caylee's dead, and there goes her chance to get mad-money from Mommy and Daddy.
That would explain why she was all taped up, and how she possibly died.
It may have been accidental, but it's STILL MURDER!!
Also, I think Padilla's "daisy-chain" theory is a bucket of CHIT!!!
Don't get me wrong-I like the man for NOT GIVING UP ON FINDING CAYLEE, but he's out of his element on this, and it seems like he's making things up as he goes along-to take everything that comes up into account-much like the Skank does.
I honestly don't think Mr. Kronk had a blessed thing to do with this case, other than being in the wrong place at the right time-or the right place at the wrong time-depending on how you look at his discovery of Caylee's body. I believe he's TOTALLY INNOCENT, and he's a HERO for finding what nobody else could find.
I also THINK that Hoover just wasn't in the right spot while he was filming the site. It's a BIG AREA, and he just happened to miss the body, and now it's sour grapes and screw the meter reader.
What ya all think???
I think you theory is logical, coherent and definitely possible. Unfortunately, I just can't believe it happened that way. I think Casey intended to murder Caylee. I don't think she would have been willing to cope with her long enough to get the ransom.
I honestly think Casey thought it would be filed as a missing person case and quickly forgotten. I seriously doubt she thought it would get as big as it has.
I still don't get the private detective/meter reader thing. Why didn't they just keep quite so it would never be found or move it to where it couldn't
be found? Why hook up with some meter reader to find it? Also, why did he give up at first and not insisit LE look more closely?
javahog
01-08-2009, 02:00 PM
Didn't know about ZG's driver's license! I also read somewhere that another Zenaida Gonzalez at UCF (University of Central Florida?) had an office that was broken into and a computer stolen. But haven't found a news item about it yet.
I wonder if Casey didn't somehow latch onto the name (it is a cool name, dramatic, something she'd like) and was planning an identity theft, becoming Zenaida, and she really was stalking some of them...pretty creepy if a bunch of them had stuff taken/missing!
javahog
01-08-2009, 02:10 PM
I think you theory is logical, coherent and definitely possible. Unfortunately, I just can't believe it happened that way. I think Casey intended to murder Caylee. I don't think she would have been willing to cope with her long enough to get the ransom.
I honestly think Casey thought it would be filed as a missing person case and quickly forgotten. I seriously doubt she thought it would get as big as it has.
I still don't get the private detective/meter reader thing. Why didn't they just keep quite so it would never be found or move it to where it couldn't
be found? Why hook up with some meter reader to find it? Also, why did he give up at first and not insisit LE look more closely?
To throw out a theory: Let's say Lee figured out the clues Casey was throwing out, but he couldn't be the one to find the body (or if others theories are right, he put her there). But anyway, not being completely heinous, he wanted her found. So he placed "bait" (a bag or something) in sight along the road to lead someone to look deeper in the foliage and find her. Meter reader bites, calls in, cop sees snake:chicken:. So after the area dries up, Lee tries again. Places more bait. Meter reader, who is already interested in the area, rekindles his interest and trots back there again. This time, LE shows up.
Maybe the "bait" was linked to the house, and LE was after THAT connection when they ran back to the Anthony's, not necessarily something related to the body but the discovery of it.
Just theorizing...
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 02:15 PM
I wonder if Casey didn't somehow latch onto the name (it is a cool name, dramatic, something she'd like) and was planning an identity theft, becoming Zenaida, and she really was stalking some of them...pretty creepy if a bunch of them had stuff taken/missing!
We know that Casey searched for the name Zenaida, was she looking for Zenaida Gonzalez specifically? Do we know exactly what the search entailed? Google? Veromi? Whitepages? I've read the results of the computer forensics, but it's not very detailed. Do we know what the date was that Zenaida signed the guest card at Sawgrass? (By we, I mean y'all. I've already forgotten more than I remember!)
Stalking/identity theft is a definite possibility; she described ZG's car closely enough. Surely that was no coincidence.
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 02:15 PM
ITA
And I suppose I understand what Henry Lee was saying about the delay in funeral services, based on the need for the defense to need additional samples for additional tests. I suppose. I mean, what tests, Henry?
What I kept wonderingwas why the defense didn't take their own samples? Why did they have o hold the remains until they could see the results of the pros tests? Makes no sense.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 02:19 PM
To throw out a theory: Let's say Lee figured out the clues Casey was throwing out, but he couldn't be the one to find the body (or if others theories are right, he put her there). But anyway, not being completely heinous, he wanted her found. So he placed "bait" (a bag or something) in sight along the road to lead someone to look deeper in the foliage and find her. Meter reader bites, calls in, cop sees snake:chicken:. So after the area dries up, Lee tries again. Places more bait. Meter reader, who is already interested in the area, rekindles his interest and trots back there again. This time, LE shows up.
Maybe the "bait" was linked to the house, and LE was after THAT connection when they ran back to the Anthony's, not necessarily something related to the body but the discovery of it.
Just theorizing...
OH! I like this theory!
Lee could in no way risk being the one to find Caylee, if you ask me. Even if he was a first class, A-One, top drawer graduate of the Sam Spade School of Licensed Private Investigation, it would have stunk to high heaven if he had found Caylee. BUT I can totally see him dropping clues (literally) soon after Casey was safely ensconced in jail to have Caylee's remains found.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 02:24 PM
What I kept wonderingwas why the defense didn't take their own samples? Why did they have o hold the remains until they could see the results of the pros tests? Makes no sense.
Well, I don't get that either. I would have assumed that they did. Maybe not; didn't they have a fit about the small increment of bone that Dr. G was using for testing purposes?
I just happen to think that the excuse for the need for exhumation down the road is lame, when it could be so easily avoided. But I supposed I was able to understand HL's argument. I just cannot help but think that the Ants worry that they might be arrested for obstruction on the way home from Caylee's funeral, and they are stalling for that reason. Although, now I wonder if it won't come until after the trial (if they don't receive immunity.)
BTW, I love it when NG gets all full of righteous indignation, and not moving forward with funeral plans gets me all POed too.
javahog
01-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Fox news is about to go live with Casey Anthony's hearing. (oh, and my riot video)...
applesandorange
01-08-2009, 02:52 PM
To throw out a theory: Let's say Lee figured out the clues Casey was throwing out, but he couldn't be the one to find the body (or if others theories are right, he put her there). But anyway, not being completely heinous, he wanted her found. So he placed "bait" (a bag or something) in sight along the road to lead someone to look deeper in the foliage and find her. Meter reader bites, calls in, cop sees snake:chicken:. So after the area dries up, Lee tries again. Places more bait. Meter reader, who is already interested in the area, rekindles his interest and trots back there again. This time, LE shows up.
Maybe the "bait" was linked to the house, and LE was after THAT connection when they ran back to the Anthony's, not necessarily something related to the body but the discovery of it.
Just theorizing...
That's an excellent theory. Makes total sense! I can really see this being the case. Good work!
applesandorange
01-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Fox news is about to go live with Casey Anthony's hearing. (oh, and my riot video)...
Thanks. I'm watching.
One2Snoop
01-08-2009, 03:11 PM
So it appears Strickland is considering the request for photo's provided Baez can set up a secure server independent of his current internet connection.
Baez is supposed to notify the Judge when this has happened - I couldn't hear the rest because Strickland had his hand in front of his mouth. Well I guess we'll find out all the scoop since the talking heads will most likely talk this to death for the rest of the day.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 03:20 PM
Orlando Sentinel also has a live feed for anyone who doesn't have a TV at work:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-hearing-video,0,6505836.htmlstory
Gorgeous looks bored.
javahog
01-08-2009, 03:22 PM
Affect is so weird. Not blank, because she seems really into what they are all saying. I only noticed that she exhaled when Baez said something about Caylee's "remains". I guess if she wasn't chained she would have been doing that dry-eye wiping thing...She did look mad when she first got there. I wonder if she was mad at Baez for not waving her right to appear, making her have to be there.
Baez is going to be SO appealable, imo.
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 03:24 PM
We know that Casey searched for the name Zenaida, was she looking for Zenaida Gonzalez specifically? Do we know exactly what the search entailed? Google? Veromi? Whitepages? I've read the results of the computer forensics, but it's not very detailed. Do we know what the date was that Zenaida signed the guest card at Sawgrass? (By we, I mean y'all. I've already forgotten more than I remember!)
Stalking/identity theft is a definite possibility; she described ZG's car closely enough. Surely that was no coincidence.
OOh OOh me Mr. Kotter - I know I know :seeya:
June 17, 2008. Originally they thought it was April 17th but realized it was just sloppy handwriting - June 17th the day after Caylee was killed.
I'm watching the live feed of the hearing now. Bozo is asking for the Ant's DNA and fingerprints be turned over to him? Did I hear that right? Is he going to try and pin this one them in some way?
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 03:32 PM
What I kept wonderingwas why the defense didn't take their own samples? Why did they have o hold the remains until they could see the results of the pros tests? Makes no sense.
Nothing in this case has made much sense. :shrug: Why should this be any different?
The issue as I see it, is the defense is not looking for the truth. They are trying to make the lies fit the evidence. That takes more time and creativity.:rolleyes:
Gator
browneyes106
01-08-2009, 03:37 PM
Now THIS is an interesting daisy chain! Was ZG stalked? Dumb luck? Random computer searches?...
I have always had the theory that Casey somehow stalked ZG in order to find info about her.
javahog
01-08-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm watching the live feed of the hearing now. Bozo is asking for the Ant's DNA and fingerprints be turned over to him? Did I hear that right? Is he going to try and pin this one them in some way?
Of course, imo. Now that Caylee is confirmed gone, they will throw Casey in front of the train. They loved Caylee, and she was defenseless. And Casey is returning the favor.
And to guess-Casey will sign Caylee over to Baez, not her parents. I think. A final slap is coming...
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 03:46 PM
So, Judge Strickland demanded that the Liar be present at the hearing. I really like that Judge. The Liar doesn't look so smug anymore. How can she sit there so non-challant as they are talking about her daughters bones? :mad:
Gator
P.S. Looks like Baez lost some of that weight he gained earlier. I guess he's not eating any more brownies since the Liar can't bake.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 03:46 PM
OOh OOh me Mr. Kotter - I know I know :seeya:
June 17, 2008. Originally they thought it was April 17th but realized it was just sloppy handwriting - June 17th the day after Caylee was killed.
http://i36.tinypic.com/2a5kc3q.jpg
Thanks Horshack!!
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 03:55 PM
The Liar was sworn in to tell the truth, the whole truth. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
applesandorange
01-08-2009, 04:02 PM
I wonder what that was about at the end. Liar had a big smile when Baez walked back.
javahog
01-08-2009, 04:03 PM
The Liar was sworn in to tell the truth, the whole truth. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
Why isn't the lightning thing real?
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 04:12 PM
George and Cindy had plenty of time to get to the courthouse if they wanted to see the Liar. Their absence was very obvious to me. I think that if Cindy showed up, she would have jumped over all those chairs and really strangle the Liar this time.
Gator
Gatordog
01-08-2009, 04:13 PM
Why isn't the lightning thing real?
The Liar thinking up more stories: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent088.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
javahog
01-08-2009, 04:29 PM
George and Cindy had plenty of time to get to the courthouse if they wanted to see the Liar. Their absence was very obvious to me. I think that if Cindy showed up, she would have jumped over all those chairs and really strangle the Liar this time.
Gator
Am I the only one who was sooooooo hoping?
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 04:31 PM
Nothing in this case has made much sense. :shrug: Why should this be any different?
The issue as I see it, is the defense is not looking for the truth. They are trying to make the lies fit the evidence. That takes more time and creativity.:rolleyes:
Gator
Now why didn't I think of that? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/doh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
If they try to pin this on one of the other A's it will just be TOO wierd.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 04:36 PM
George and Cindy had plenty of time to get to the courthouse if they wanted to see the Liar. Their absence was very obvious to me. I think that if Cindy showed up, she would have jumped over all those chairs and really strangle the Liar this time.
Gator
I thought that they still support Casey, so was surprised that they weren't there.
Didn't watch the entire process, but the only real emotion that I noticed Casey display was happiness when she smiled at Baez at the end of the hearing. She blinked a lot. Made that pouty frowny face when the attorneys left the bench. Don't see how she can just sit so still. What? Is she in winter torpor?
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 04:37 PM
I have always had the theory that Casey somehow stalked ZG in order to find info about her.
Now that would totally make sense nad answer a lot of questions.
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 04:43 PM
I wonder what that was about at the end. Liar had a big smile when Baez walked back.
Don't know. One commentator said it was like Casey was flirting at a cocktail party!
2grayfox
01-08-2009, 04:47 PM
I thought that they still support Casey, so was surprised that they weren't there.
Didn't watch the entire process, but the only real emotion that I noticed Casey display was happiness when she smiled at Baez at the end of the hearing. She blinked a lot. Made that pouty frowny face when the attorneys left the bench. Don't see how she can just sit so still. What? Is she in winter torpor?
Winter Torpor, I think you got it.
We don't know when Zani, Zanny, Zenaida was first used. We can't believe anything that anyone says.
Orlando weather: 44 degrees this morning http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
You don't believe Mr Grund when he says she told him Zanny the nanny was going to be taking care of Caylee in 2006?
applesandorange
01-08-2009, 04:53 PM
Winter Torpor, I think you got it.
Welcome to the board!! :beer:
It's a good theory. She could have tried to make herself look like a hero by finding Caylee a week later. This could be exactly what George and Cindy thought and tried to convince themselves that the horrible smell was pizza even though they knew in their brains it was not possible.
Didn't Mr Baez petition to the judge to let him and Casey "investigate" areas with the promise of no media (and, did he also request no LE supervision or escort?) @ the time, I was thinking--flight risk!!!! But, it could have been her trying to be "the hero" then, of course, probably gleaning information about possible sites according to "the script."
ITA
And I suppose I understand what Henry Lee was saying about the delay in funeral services, based on the need for the defense to need additional samples for additional tests. I suppose. I mean, what tests, Henry?
Didn't Mr Conway say in his on the street interview the other day (possibly Monday, I was a few days behind on reading) that the second autopsy HAS been completed? I know I read it somewhere. So, wonder what purpose the pics would have, considering they had the real thing to check out.
I suspect that Baez expects to get paid from a book or movie deal or some type licensing deal with a network or magazine.
According to the TH's there will be no movie or book deal unless Casey Anthony is not convicted. If she's convicted, there are legal repercussions if he does anything like this, I would suppose that would be with or without her consent.
What I kept wonderingwas why the defense didn't take their own samples? Why did they have o hold the remains until they could see the results of the pros tests? Makes no sense.
Someone posted up thread that defense wanted to be able to dispute the results the prosecution will present, so I guess they want to know exactly what tests pros. ran, so THEY know which tests THEY want to run? Or, it could be the 5 y/o temper tantrum, just because, and also it gets more delay.
javahog
01-08-2009, 05:18 PM
Didn't Mr Baez petition to the judge to let him and Casey "investigate" areas with the promise of no media (and, did he also request no LE supervision or escort?) @ the time, I was thinking--flight risk!!!! But, it could have been her trying to be "the hero" then, of course, probably gleaning information about possible sites according to "the script."
Can you imagine anything more incriminating than Casey finding the body? What kind of Lawyer is Baez that he would risk such a thing?
So it appears Strickland is considering the request for photo's provided Baez can set up a secure server independent of his current internet connection.
Baez is supposed to notify the Judge when this has happened - I couldn't hear the rest because Strickland had his hand in front of his mouth. Well I guess we'll find out all the scoop since the talking heads will most likely talk this to death for the rest of the day.
Wonder who is going to check and approve of his secure server independent of his current internet connection? Wonder who will set it up for him? I don't think he is all that computer savvy (except using some legal program on his laptop) since he can't even get his web page to load past the home page.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 05:23 PM
Didn't Mr Conway say in his on the street interview the other day (possibly Monday, I was a few days behind on reading) that the second autopsy HAS been completed? I know I read it somewhere. So, wonder what purpose the pics would have, considering they had the real thing to check out.
Don't remember Conway saying that yesterday, but Henry Lee did tell NG that the second autopsy had been performed by Dr. Spitz(?) five or six days prior. I'm assuming that the need for the photos is simply to verify how Dr. G came about her findings; just part of discovery. And I can see why the defense would want to be able to transmit information by internet or mail to save its experts the cost of travel, so a secure server sounds like a logical compromise.
I'm watching the live feed of the hearing now. Bozo is asking for the Ant's DNA and fingerprints be turned over to him? Did I hear that right? Is he going to try and pin this one them in some way?
Doesn't he have to justify why he wants that stuff? My guess, smoke and mirrors, obfuscate, delay. (Any one, or a combination of two or more, your pick, lol.)
Can you imagine anything more incriminating than Casey finding the body? What kind of Lawyer is Baez that he would risk such a thing?
But, but, but......you mean you wouldn't believe her if she said she figured it out from "the script?" You DO believe in "the script" don't you? :D
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 05:30 PM
Wonder who is going to check and approve of his secure server independent of his current internet connection? Wonder who will set it up for him? I don't think he is all that computer savvy (except using some legal program on his laptop) since he can't even get his web page to load past the home page.
LMAO Maybe Todd Black is his webmaster. :rolleyes:
Back to Zenaida for a second (and I apologize if this has been discussed), but has anyone here read the Kathryn Lasky series about the Starbucks family? Basically what you have is a family including two sets of twins who are telepathic, and they engage in solving mysteries in three separate books. Their nanny who always accompanies them is called Zanny the Nanny. Isn't it possible that Casey read these books when she was a kid and was fascinated to the point that when she needed a nanny, that she conjured up Zanny from those stories? And if she had been drugging Caylee, the name Zanny just happens to fit with having used Xanax at some point.
javahog
01-08-2009, 05:39 PM
But, but, but......you mean you wouldn't believe her if she said she figured it out from "the script?" You DO believe in "the script" don't you? :D
Of course I do! Being a unicorn myself, I have to give benefit of the doubt to all other fairytale creatures!
javahog
01-08-2009, 05:45 PM
I'm watching the live feed of the hearing now. Bozo is asking for the Ant's DNA and fingerprints be turned over to him? Did I hear that right? Is he going to try and pin this one them in some way?
Doesn't this demonstrate that the Anthony's have broken with Casey? If this is for her defense, wouldn't he just have to ask them for the prints and samples instead of the SA?
No way. Caylee is dead, and the A's are leaving Casey to her fate.
Spider
01-08-2009, 05:54 PM
I actually thought the one pic I saw of Liar in court did make her look fairly smug. And hearing she actually came off with a SMILE?? An innocent mother who had lost her only child would be hysterical, even at this point, especially for what was discussed.
And for Cindy and George, Liars biggest 'supporters' not to be there to at least see how she is doing is very telling IMO.
I am not a betting person but I think this trial will drag out for years. Bozo will make certain of that. I sure hope that is a no nonsence judge. From what I have heard he is.
Sorry if this has been answered but I actually had to work while I was at work today LOL! Did the judge rule restrictions on Bozo?
LMAO Maybe Todd Black is his webmaster. :rolleyes:
Back to Zenaida for a second (and I apologize if this has been discussed), but has anyone here read the Kathryn Lasky series about the Starbucks family? Basically what you have is a family including two sets of twins who are telepathic, and they engage in solving mysteries in three separate books. Their nanny who always accompanies them is called Zanny the Nanny. Isn't it possible that Casey read these books when she was a kid and was fascinated to the point that when she needed a nanny, that she conjured up Zanny from those stories? And if she had been drugging Caylee, the name Zanny just happens to fit with having used Xanax at some point.
I remember LP saying something about a character named Zanny the Nanny in a story book but I never knew what book he referred to. I think it's entirely possible that's where she got it because I don't think she pulled the name Zanny out of her butt. On the other hand, I wonder why she calls Zenaida Zanny instead of Zenny?
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 06:33 PM
Doesn't this demonstrate that the Anthony's have broken with Casey? If this is for her defense, wouldn't he just have to ask them for the prints and samples instead of the SA?
No way. Caylee is dead, and the A's are leaving Casey to her fate.
I couldn't figure out why he asked for the DNA results specifically. Isn't all of this going to be available? Is there any reason to think that it would be withheld? The defense has a right to all information in The State's arsenal. And vice versa.
I remember LP saying something about a character named Zanny the Nanny in a story book but I never knew what book he referred to. I think it's entirely possible that's where she got it because I don't think she pulled the name Zanny out of her butt. On the other hand, I wonder why she calls Zenaida Zanny instead of Zenny?
One of the Name The Baby sites where I looked up Zenaida shows the nicknames to be Zee, Zeni, ZeeZee, and Zaida; nothing even really close to Zanny. But I just figured that when Casey saw that card, she must have decided that Zenaida was close enough. To the best of my remembrance (pathetic and Nyquil logy as it is), no one that Casey had ever mentioned Zanny to ever heard a last name.
javahog
01-08-2009, 06:45 PM
I remember LP saying something about a character named Zanny the Nanny in a story book but I never knew what book he referred to. I think it's entirely possible that's where she got it because I don't think she pulled the name Zanny out of her butt. On the other hand, I wonder why she calls Zenaida Zanny instead of Zenny?
e is pronounced like an a in Spanish. She's in character. So "Zeni" would be pronounced Zanny. Never saw her spell the nickname...
e is pronounced like an a in Spanish. She's in character. So "Zeni" would be pronounced Zanny. Never saw her spell the nickname...
I figured it was being spelled that way because of the pronunciation. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I think you're right, javahog, I've never seen it spelled by Casey. Wonder if Zanny signed the script? :D
You don't believe Mr Grund when he says she told him Zanny the nanny was going to be taking care of Caylee in 2006?
Did Casey actually tell Mr. Grund that the nanny was named Zanny? I remember him talking about that on NG but I don't remember if he said the name Zanny.
javahog
01-08-2009, 06:56 PM
I figured it was being spelled that way because of the pronunciation. It just doesn't make much sense to me. I think you're right, javahog, I've never seen it spelled by Casey. Wonder if Zanny signed the script? :D
I wonder if Casey spells it differently from the real Zanaida Gonzales, if that could win her case? "See, I told you, its NOT the same Zenaida!" lol.
I wonder if Casey spells it differently from the real Zanaida Gonzales, if that could win her case? "See, I told you, its NOT the same Zenaida!" lol.Good point! If there's anyway that Casey can wiggle out of something with a lie she'll do it. I'm still sooo curious about how she managed to get ZG's name from the Saw Grass Apts and how she even knew what her car looked like. There's a piece missing here but with the Liar who knows?
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 07:14 PM
e is pronounced like an a in Spanish. She's in character. So "Zeni" would be pronounced Zanny. Never saw her spell the nickname...
E in Spanish is pronounced eh, or like the e in the English word bet. Zenaida is a Greek name, though, and I believe it is pronounced Zee-nay-dah.
javahog
01-08-2009, 07:35 PM
E in Spanish is pronounced eh, or like the e in the English word bet. Zenaida is a Greek name, though, and I believe it is pronounced Zee-nay-dah.
Well, out here in California it is pronounced more like Say-nie-thah, emphasis on syllable 2, but that is the Mexico and Central American accent. That's my accent, not Castilian, though I can fake it when I travel. Spanish speakers though wouldn't use a Greek pronunciation...
ed. to add: Zenaidas are a kind of dove in the Carribean area, hence the name around there. So women named Zenaida are not named after the Greek Zeus, they are named after the Carribean dove.
sharlock
01-08-2009, 08:02 PM
Don't remember Conway saying that yesterday, but Henry Lee did tell NG that the second autopsy had been performed by Dr. Spitz(?) five or six days prior. I'm assuming that the need for the photos is simply to verify how Dr. G came about her findings; just part of discovery. And I can see why the defense would want to be able to transmit information by internet or mail to save its experts the cost of travel, so a secure server sounds like a logical compromise.
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 8, 2009
--SNIP--
I agree LL. I really admire the way Judge Strickland has dealt with the case so far. I am really concerned at those requests filed by Baez. Seems I was right when I said that the Anthony's needed to be careful. Sure looks like Casey is going to turn on them to help herself. I guess its everyone for themselves now. Just so sad!
*DNA and fingerprint reports for Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, and her brother, Lee Anthony.
*Individual law-enforcement interviews with her parents and brother on July 24.
*A visitation video between Anthony and her parents on Aug. 14 at the Orange County Jail.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 08:07 PM
Well, out here in California it is pronounced more like Say-nie-thah, emphasis on syllable 2, but that is the Mexico and Central American accent. That's my accent, not Castilian, though I can fake it when I travel. Spanish speakers though wouldn't use a Greek pronunciation...
LOL My degree is in Spanish and Linguistics, but castellano is foreign to me(actually my minor; my degree is Sociology. A big yawn to many!])
At any rate, I don't think it matters how Zenaida is pronounced or what the nicknames for Zenaida are; I think Casey just saw that name (maybe actually saw ZG and her car enough to slightly identify it) and decided it was close enough to Zanny for her purposes. I'm sure Zenaida will prounounce her name for the record, when she finally gets her day in court. And more power to her!
javahog
01-08-2009, 08:14 PM
LOL My degree is in Spanish and Linguistics, but castellano is foreign to me.
At any rate, I don't think it matters how Zenaida is pronounced or what the nicknames for Zenaida are; I think Casey just saw that name (maybe actually saw ZG and her car enough to slightly identify it) and decided it was close enough to Zanny for her purposes. I'm sure Zenaida will prounounce her name for the record, when she finally gets her day in court. And more power to her!
Very true! The etymology and pronunciation of Casey's Zenaida is irrelevant, since it is really a construct of Casey and not a real person at all (though it would have been funny if she had guessed on a castilian pronunciation-then she could "thpit" on Jose Baez a lot:D)
2grayfox
01-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Welcome to the board!! :beer:
Thank you I am still in the catching up mode but the winter torpor comment was too good.
sharlock
01-08-2009, 08:25 PM
I thought that they still support Casey, so was surprised that they weren't there.
Didn't watch the entire process, but the only real emotion that I noticed Casey display was happiness when she smiled at Baez at the end of the hearing. She blinked a lot. Made that pouty frowny face when the attorneys left the bench. Don't see how she can just sit so still. What? Is she in winter torpor?
I think that things have not been well between the A's and kc since August. These articles make me go hmmmm!
ORLANDO -- While most of Casey Anthony's visitors have either been family members or her attorney, News 13 has uncovered two other men, who visited her behind bars, are actually private investigators.
Jail records show on July 25, Casey got a visit from Edward Phlegar, who is an investigator for her attorney Jose Baez's law firm.
Casey Dominic, another private investigator for Baez, visited Casey on Aug. 8.
News 13 tried to get a comment Thursday from Baez about what his private investigators might be doing on the case. However, our requests for interviews were declined.
Earlier this week, George Anthony said "private people" were doing surveillance on the people thinks kidnapped his granddaughter.
George Anthony Tells Media To 'Shut Up'
As George and Cindy Anthony arrived at the Orange County Jail Thursday morning to visit their daughter, Casey, George Anthony exploded when one reporter asked him questions about rumors that 3-year-old Caylee had died accidentally.
This was the second time in less than week that George Anthony -- a man normally known for his calm demeanor -- has exploded at the media.
Cindy Anthony explained that the intense scrutiny of the media has been preventing some potential witnesses from coming forward.
"Let me tell you one thing. That is the reason why we got a phone call at 11 o'clock last night. The lady was crying because of that kind of stuff on the radio, or on the news, that she held back for four weeks calling in a tip because she was afraid, and they just spotted Caylee again," Cindy Anthony said as her husband escorted her away.
The Anthonys met with Casey for 45 minutes, which is the total time allowed. It was the first time they had visited her in 11 days.
The Anthonys had nothing to say after their visit. They simply walked to their car in silence.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html
IMO DC could have found out details around this time and tried to have the body found using the MR. I really don't wasnt to beleive that but it has to be investigated. I mean around this time the A's stopped walking outside saying what a wonderful mother Casey was as they usually did after meeting with her. In fact it says they had nothing to say about the meeting and then LE decides not to release the meetings which Baez has made motions for them to be released to him . Also this is when Kc starts refusing visits from Lee and her parents. Something hinky is going on here.:confused:
sharlock
01-08-2009, 08:31 PM
The Zenaida G. who is sueing also lost her driver's license in late spring. Who knows if the Liar came across it?
Really! I hadn't heard that, do you have a link I could look at by any chance Gator. If not no biggy just wondering whether she is sure she lost it or could it have been stolen?
sharlock
01-08-2009, 08:36 PM
Doesn't he have to justify why he wants that stuff? My guess, smoke and mirrors, obfuscate, delay. (Any one, or a combination of two or more, your pick, lol.)
I don't think he needs to justify it. He is entitiled to anyhing through discovery that pertains to the case. I am surprised that at this late stage he still hasn't received all of this stuff. The manner in which he is asking for it though does make me beleve that he is going for the jugular in a classy soddit defense;) and the A's are going to take centre stage because he knows by watching the public reaction taht they are the only people the public might accept had something to do with Caylees defece and that efforts to do the same with say someone like Jesse would fail. Ireally think the A's could denial themselves into a corner they can't get out of if they don't open their eyes and see what the defense is planning in their honour. They will have no choice but to be open and honest even without immunity becuse otherwise they will play right into the defenses plan imo.
sharlock
01-08-2009, 08:37 PM
Didn't know about ZG's driver's license! I also read somewhere that another Zenaida Gonzalez at UCF (University of Central Florida?) had an office that was broken into and a computer stolen. But haven't found a news item about it yet.
I beleive that was on momslogic iirc.
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 08:40 PM
Very true! The etymology and pronunciation of Casey's Zenaida is irrelevant, since it is really a construct of Casey and not a real person at all (though it would have been funny if she had guessed on a castilian pronunciation-then she could "thpit" on Jose Baez a lot:D)
Thi thi thenorita! :hat:
Thank you I am still in the catching up mode but the winter torpor comment was too good.
Seriously, my koi move more than she did today.
OT: But did anyone watching happen to notice if she looked around for G&C?
javahog
01-08-2009, 08:59 PM
Thi thi thenorita! :hat:
Seriously, my koi move more than she did today.
OT: But did anyone watching happen to notice if she looked around for G&C?
It might have happened when my toddler mauled me several times, but I didn't see her look back once. Baez must have told her they were not there in advance.
Did anyone else catch the throwaway from Baez that he was responsible for Caylee's remains? Did he mean that as in figuratively, or am I right, Casey signed her over to him and not her parents???? :shrug:
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 09:20 PM
It might have happened when my toddler mauled me several times, but I didn't see her look back once. Baez must have told her they were not there in advance.
Did anyone else catch the throwaway from Baez that he was responsible for Caylee's remains? Did he mean that as in figuratively, or am I right, Casey signed her over to him and not her parents???? :shrug:
I missed that! How can an attorney represent a victim and the accused/indicted at the same time? So we've been told in the past that G&C were responsible for the funeral and all. When did that change? If Casey signed Caylee's remains over to G&C, wouldn't they actually be the ones to turn them over to Baez?
javahog
01-08-2009, 09:29 PM
I missed that! How can an attorney represent a victim and the accused/indicted at the same time? So we've been told in the past that G&C were responsible for the funeral and all. When did that change? If Casey signed Caylee's remains over to G&C, wouldn't they actually be the ones to turn them over to Baez?
Could it be that everyone just assumed that they would be taking care of it, but no one checked to see who had custody of the remains? I guess Casey could order Caylee to be blasted into space if she had the means...as long as she got someone on the outside to take POA for her...
Can you imagine Casey handling this with grace and dignity at any point?
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 09:37 PM
I missed that! How can an attorney represent a victim and the accused/indicted at the same time? So we've been told in the past that G&C were responsible for the funeral and all. When did that change? If Casey signed Caylee's remains over to G&C, wouldn't they actually be the ones to turn them over to Baez?
I am not sure why G&C were not at court but I am sure the lack of recent visits has to do with defense lawyers not wanting any conversations publicly taped is the reason she has not had anyone visit. And I do think it is bizarre if true that Casey has turned the remains over JB. I am sure he will work with G&C on funeral arrangement etc. Maybe it is a financial arrangement.
What I find more bizarre is that 2 pi's, one meter reader and one psychic found where Caylee was between August and December and we did not find her until December. All the money that was spent and volunteer searchers and tears shed that she was not found makes me think someone should be held accountible along with Casey. it absolutely astounds me!!!!!
personal thank you to Loretta and O2S for all your postings and documentation. IMO
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 09:41 PM
The Zenaida G. who is sueing also lost her driver's license in late spring. Who knows if the Liar came across it?
that is a good point Gator but still how did she get the Sawgrass Apt address that Zenaida had signed up for. IMO:shrug:
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 09:43 PM
I am not sure why G&C were not at court but I am sure the lack of recent visits has to do with defense lawyers not wanting any conversations publicly taped is the reason she has not had anyone visit. And I do think it is bizarre if true that Casey has turned the remains over JB. I am sure he will work with G&C on funeral arrangement etc. Maybe it is a financial arrangement.
What I find more bizarre is that 2 pi's, one meter reader and one psychic found where Caylee was between August and December and we did not find her until December. All the money that was spent and volunteer searchers and tears shed that she was not found makes me think someone should be held accountible along with Casey. it absolutely astounds me!!!!!
personal thank you to Loretta and O2S for all your postings and documentation. IMO
Hey Sara! I know that's what has been said, but c'mon G&C&Casey knew they were being recorded from the get go. They even mentioned it during one visit.
Here's where I personally had the idea that G&C were custodians of Caylee's remains:
...Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, will hold both a private service and a public memorial for Caylee, according to their attorney, Brad Conway. The Anthonys said they are not soliciting funds for the funeral services...
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18342912/detail.html
javahog
01-08-2009, 09:47 PM
that is a good point Gator but still how did she get the Sawgrass Apt address that Zenaida had signed up for. IMO:shrug:
She had a friend Dante Saleh who quit his job on June 17 (interesting date, no? I bet he had some free time on his hands that day) And it also happens to be the date that the "real" Zenaida visited Sawgrass to look at that apartment. I can't imagine the two are unrelated, but the weird thing is, how did she know about Zenaida before this date? Or did she?
javahog
01-08-2009, 09:56 PM
Hey Sara! I know that's what has been said, but c'mon G&C&Casey knew they were being recorded from the get go. They even mentioned it during one visit.
Here's where I personally had the idea that G&C were custodians of Caylee's remains:
...Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, will hold both a private service and a public memorial for Caylee, according to their attorney, Brad Conway. The Anthonys said they are not soliciting funds for the funeral services...
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18342912/detail.html
This is all I found, too...I suspect that they assumed as I would that they would be taking care of it, but maybe not...?
All I can find is reports that say she signed papers authorizing the remains to be released to the funeral home, no notation on who is in charge of them. Only the A's attorney have said they are planning the funeral etc...
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8133607&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
It wouldn't make sense if the a's are trying to get immunity for them to have POA (which I think is required to handle the funeral arrangements?) over the defendant...
One2Snoop
01-08-2009, 10:06 PM
# State's Motion to Stay Order Disposing of Emergency Motion to Compel Photographs and X-Rays
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/State%27s%20Motion%20to%20Stay%20Order%20Disposing %20of%20Emergency%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Photogr aphs%20and%20X-Rays.pdf
# Motion to Compel Unedited 911 Calls Made by Roy Kronk and Any Reports Related to Calls
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Unedited%20911%20Calls%20Ma de%20by%20Roy%20Kronk%20and%20Any%20Reports%20Rela ted%20to%20Calls.pdf
# Motion to Compel any and all Polygraphs Which the Defense Has Previously Requested and Been Awarded
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20any%20and%20all%20Polygraph s%20Which%20the%20Defense%20Has%20Previously%20Req uested%20and%20Been%20Awarded.pdf
# Motion to Compel DNA Reports for George, Cindy and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20DNA%20Reports%20for%20Georg e,%20Cindy%20and%20Lee%20Anthony.pdf
# Demand for Discovery and Inspection Relating to Digital Forensic Evidence Obtained From Ricardo Morales
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Demand%20for%20Discovery%20and%20Inspection%20Rela ting%20to%20Digital%20Forensic%20Evidence%20Obtain ed%20From%20Ricardo%20Morales.pdf
# Motion to Produce Hair for Inspection and Testing and All Related Notes and Reports
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Produce%20Hair%20for%20Inspection%20 and%20Testing%20and%20All%20Related%20Notes%20and% 20Reports.pdf
# Motion to Compel Fingerprint Report for George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Fingerprint%20Report%20for% 20George,%20Cindy,%20and%20Lee%20Anthony.pdf
# Motion to Compel Investigative Reports on Zenaida Gonzalez
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Investigative%20Reports%20o n%20Zenaida%20Gonzalez.pdf
# Motion to Compel Maps, Photos and Reports of all Locations Searched by Law Enforcement for Caylee Marie Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Maps,%20Photos%20and%20Repo rts%20of%20all%20Locations%20Searched%20by%20Law%2 0Enforcement%20for%20Caylee%20Marie%20Anthony.pdf
# Motion to Compel Release of Investigative Interviews of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Release%20of%20Investigativ e%20Interviews%20of%20George,%20Cindy,%20and%20Lee %20Anthony.pdf
# Motion to Compel Release of Video Visitations of George and Cindy Anthony on August 14, 2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Release%20of%20Video%20Visi tations%20of%20George%20and%20Cindy%20Anthony%20on %20August%2014,%202008.pdf
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.html
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 10:08 PM
This is all I found, too...I suspect that they assumed as I would that they would be taking care of it, but maybe not...?
All I can find is reports that say she signed papers authorizing the remains to be released to the funeral home, no notation on who is in charge of them. Only the A's attorney have said they are planning the funeral etc...
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8133607&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
It wouldn't make sense if the a's are trying to get immunity for them to have POA (which I think is required to handle the funeral arrangements?) over the defendant...
Not sure about the FL laws, but we recently learned (the hard way-looooong story) that in TX, POA has no say over funeral arrangements, those are the right of the next of kin.
lighthousedazy
01-08-2009, 10:18 PM
She had a friend Dante Saleh who quit his job on June 17 (interesting date, no? I bet he had some free time on his hands that day) And it also happens to be the date that the "real" Zenaida visited Sawgrass to look at that apartment. I can't imagine the two are unrelated, but the weird thing is, how did she know about Zenaida before this date? Or did she?Interesting, and in my opinion she probably killed Caylee on June 16. :shrug:
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 10:18 PM
Hey Sara! I know that's what has been said, but c'mon G&C&Casey knew they were being recorded from the get go. They even mentioned it during one visit.
Here's where I personally had the idea that G&C were custodians of Caylee's remains:
...Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, will hold both a private service and a public memorial for Caylee, according to their attorney, Brad Conway. The Anthonys said they are not soliciting funds for the funeral services...
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18342912/detail.html
Loretta I am sure that G&C are making the arrangements but they have to wait for JB to say it is time. Like I said he may also be making funeral payments since I have a gut feeling he will make a lot of money off this case.
Also in the beginning when Case was jailed everyone knew the calls and visits were taped but I believe the lawyers became alarmed at the publicity. Lee's cryptic conversation with Casey was enough to cause alarm. And we cannot forget the remark from Casey "Caylee is close". all this is IMO from reseach. I could be totally wrong. I do respect your opinions just going with my gut. :shrug:
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 10:22 PM
Interesting, and in my opinion she probably killed Caylee on June 16. :shrug:
It is a mystery to me LHD. I know she buried her twice in the backyard and kept her in the trunk. And went to a video store with Tony all in the same couple of days. I wonder if the 18th when she borrowed the shovel may be when she got out of the trunk IMO
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 10:34 PM
Loretta I am sure that G&C are making the arrangements but they have to wait for JB to say it is time. Like I said he may also be making funeral payments since I have a gut feeling he will make a lot of money off this case.
Also in the beginning when Case was jailed everyone knew the calls and visits were taped but I believe the lawyers became alarmed at the publicity. Lee's cryptic conversation with Casey was enough to cause alarm. And we cannot forget the remark from Casey "Caylee is close". all this is IMO from reseach. I could be totally wrong. I do respect your opinions just going with my gut. :shrug:
At the risk of sounding fractious, maybe G&C aren't soliciting funeral donations because Baez is footing the bill. And he may well be counting on Casey being acquitted and collecting on any monies that he has hedged on her behalf. I will say that for some reason I believe what Brad Conway has to say (EXCEPT that D Casey doesn't need an attorney), and it's very possible that his statement about G&C being in charge of the funeral only means that they are the official hosts in Casey's absence.
After people were lined up to search for Caylee and protest at the Anthony home, and appear at prayer vigils, these attorneys would have to be fidiots to assume that there wouldn't be publicity over even a hiccup. (Figuratively and literally.)
"Caylee is close" could be just another phrase that comes back to bite Casey and the Anthonys in the ass.
SuzDuJour
01-08-2009, 10:34 PM
I’ve wondered if Casey found a copy of Zenaida’s Sawgrass registration card in the trash and was going to use that information to write bad checks or, as someone else here thinks, steal her identity. It seems to me that I saw an interview where one of Casey’s friends was shocked to learn that the trash bag (with the pizza box) was taken from his place…and I don’t recall if this friend was the one who lived at Sawgrass as well…that would certainly link Zenaida to Casey in a roundabout way if she was ‘stealing’ trash for identity theft purposes…and also just happened to need a bag of trash to hide the smell that would starting to emanate from the car trunk.
I just can’t reconcile that ALL this happened on June 17th – seems way too close for comfort to come up with a name AFTER she had killed little Caylee…and, of course, I don’t know if Sawgrass threw out the registration cards after they entered information into their computers.
javahog
01-08-2009, 10:34 PM
Just a general observation from watching that hearing.
She really thinks she's going to be found not guilty and this is all an annoying waste of time.
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 10:39 PM
At the risk of sounding fractious, maybe G&C aren't soliciting funeral donations because Baez is footing the bill. And he may well be counting on Casey being acquitted and collecting on any monies that he has hedged on her behalf. I will say that for some reason I believe what Brad Conway has to say (EXCEPT that D Casey doesn't need an attorney), and it's very possible that his statement about G&C being in charge of the funeral only means that they are the official hosts in Casey's absence.
After people were lined up to search for Caylee and protest at the Anthony home, and appear at prayer vigils, these attorneys would have to be fidiots to assume that there wouldn't be publicity over even a hiccup. (Figuratively and literally.)
"Caylee is close" could be just another phrase that comes back to bite Casey and the Anthonys in the ass.
You are a smart woman Loretta. I am thinking such a large book and movie are going to come out of this that JB is not worried about funds. IMO
javahog
01-08-2009, 10:39 PM
I’ve wondered if Casey found a copy of Zenaida’s Sawgrass registration card in the trash and was going to use that information to write bad checks or, as someone else here thinks, steal her identity. It seems to me that I saw an interview where one of Casey’s friends was shocked to learn that the trash bag (with the pizza box) was taken from his place…and I don’t recall if this friend was the one who lived at Sawgrass as well…that would certainly link Zenaida to Casey in a roundabout way if she was ‘stealing’ trash for identity theft purposes…and also just happened to need a bag of trash to hide the smell that would starting to emanate from the car trunk.
I just can’t reconcile that ALL this happened on June 17th – seems way too close for comfort to come up with a name AFTER she had killed little Caylee…and, of course, I don’t know if Sawgrass threw out the registration cards after they entered information into their computers.
If the apartments didn't take care of personal info better than this, ZDs attorney should look at them too. I wonder if that's what he really wants from the depo-proof the Sawgrass was lax. Casey has no money, but they do. The sawgrass could be the deep pockets and real target...
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 10:42 PM
I’ve wondered if Casey found a copy of Zenaida’s Sawgrass registration card in the trash and was going to use that information to write bad checks or, as someone else here thinks, steal her identity. It seems to me that I saw an interview where one of Casey’s friends was shocked to learn that the trash bag (with the pizza box) was taken from his place…and I don’t recall if this friend was the one who lived at Sawgrass as well…that would certainly link Zenaida to Casey in a roundabout way if she was ‘stealing’ trash for identity theft purposes…and also just happened to need a bag of trash to hide the smell that would starting to emanate from the car trunk.
I just can’t reconcile that ALL this happened on June 17th – seems way too close for comfort to come up with a name AFTER she had killed little Caylee…and, of course, I don’t know if Sawgrass threw out the registration cards after they entered information into their computers.
All great ideas Suz and do not forget Casey had friends in 1 or 2 apts at Sawgrass. Welcome to Crime Library. I am glad to see you posting IMO
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 10:50 PM
Just a general observation from watching that hearing.
She really thinks she's going to be found not guilty and this is all an annoying waste of time.
that is my feeling and fear all along. She will always blame the nanny and there will not be enough evidence. this could be a real iffy homicide case and I really hope there is enough evidence. IMO sara
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 10:52 PM
I’ve wondered if Casey found a copy of Zenaida’s Sawgrass registration card in the trash and was going to use that information to write bad checks or, as someone else here thinks, steal her identity. It seems to me that I saw an interview where one of Casey’s friends was shocked to learn that the trash bag (with the pizza box) was taken from his place…and I don’t recall if this friend was the one who lived at Sawgrass as well…that would certainly link Zenaida to Casey in a roundabout way if she was ‘stealing’ trash for identity theft purposes…and also just happened to need a bag of trash to hide the smell that would starting to emanate from the car trunk.
I just can’t reconcile that ALL this happened on June 17th – seems way too close for comfort to come up with a name AFTER she had killed little Caylee…and, of course, I don’t know if Sawgrass threw out the registration cards after they entered information into their computers.
You'd love to think that the card went through a shredder considering it had personal information on it. But even if it did, Casey still could have seen it beforehand, or could have gotten the information from someone who did.
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 11:02 PM
You'd love to think that the card went through a shredder considering it had personal information on it. But even if it did, Casey still could have seen it beforehand, or could have gotten the information from someone who did.
actually the sign up sheet is in evidence which is why everyone is so confused. It gives Zenaidas name and the fact she applied for an apt. I cannot find the document at this time but I do remember seeing it. Very confusing has how she saw it unless maybe one of her friends at Sawgrass was working for the landlord and Casey saw it when she was visiting. I have no idea. this whole thing has been making me nuts but I love your ideas. IMO sara
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 11:23 PM
actually the sign up sheet is in evidence which is why everyone is so confused. It gives Zenaidas name and the fact she applied for an apt. I cannot find the document at this time but I do remember seeing it. Very confusing has how she saw it unless maybe one of her friends at Sawgrass was working for the landlord and Casey saw it when she was visiting. I have no idea. this whole thing has been making me nuts but I love your ideas. IMO sara
I don't find the guest card either, but found this:
Apartment manager Amanda Macklin confirms only that a Zenaida Gonzalez visited the apartment complex on June 17, not April 17 like originally thought.
Macklin said a leasing agent filled out a guest card with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez with the date of her visit. She also said that the woman would have been required to show the leasing agent her identification as a matter of policy and safety.
However, when the leasing agent made an attempt to follow up with Gonzalez as a potential resident, the phone number she gave was invalid.
Detectives from the Orange County Sheriff's Office returned to the apartment complex Wednesday and asked for the original copy of the guest card. Macklin said she did not think the card would contain any fingerprints since the leasing agent fills out the card, not the potential resident.
Employees from the leasing office were shown pictures of different Zenaida Gonzalez's and of Casey and her missing daughter, Caylee.
No Sawgrass Apartment employees recognized either Casey or Caylee but one of the photos of Gonzalez did look familiar as a possible match.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=7C4319587E5C200E0483C3D913B45128 ?contentId=7154969&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 11:24 PM
Not sure about the FL laws, but we recently learned (the hard way-looooong story) that in TX, POA has no say over funeral arrangements, those are the right of the next of kin.
Surely they do not release a person's body to the person who is responsible for the death of that person. That is ludicrous in the extreme!
Justice Denied?
01-08-2009, 11:28 PM
It is a mystery to me LHD. I know she buried her twice in the backyard and kept her in the trunk. And went to a video store with Tony all in the same couple of days. I wonder if the 18th when she borrowed the shovel may be when she got out of the trunk IMO
Or maybe out of the backyard and into the trunk on that date??:confused::shrug:
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 11:29 PM
The Lifetime Shouldn't Pay petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/lifetime-should-not-pay-for-a-movie-about-caylee-anthony
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 11:33 PM
I don't find the guest card either, but found this:
Apartment manager Amanda Macklin confirms only that a Zenaida Gonzalez visited the apartment complex on June 17, not April 17 like originally thought.
Macklin said a leasing agent filled out a guest card with a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez with the date of her visit. She also said that the woman would have been required to show the leasing agent her identification as a matter of policy and safety.
However, when the leasing agent made an attempt to follow up with Gonzalez as a potential resident, the phone number she gave was invalid.
Detectives from the Orange County Sheriff's Office returned to the apartment complex Wednesday and asked for the original copy of the guest card. Macklin said she did not think the card would contain any fingerprints since the leasing agent fills out the card, not the potential resident.
Employees from the leasing office were shown pictures of different Zenaida Gonzalez's and of Casey and her missing daughter, Caylee.
No Sawgrass Apartment employees recognized either Casey or Caylee but one of the photos of Gonzalez did look familiar as a possible match.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=7C4319587E5C200E0483C3D913B45128 ?contentId=7154969&version=14&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1
I might be crazy again but I remember seeing a copy of it. I am so burnt out and sick I cannot look for it at the present. it was very simply put. not a lot of info. maybe it will come out at civil trial but would really like to know how she got that information. I know the employees did not recognize her and they did not recognize each other either on a face line up. IMO
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 11:35 PM
Surely they do not release a person's body to the person who is responsible for the death of that person. That is ludicrous in the extreme!
Casey hasn't been convicted, so I guess she has the right. But without any way to carry out that right, I guess she would have signed over guardianship of Caylee's remains. Conway made it sound like G&C has been assigned guardianship, but maybe not. I didn't catch Baez's remark, but I find it hard to believe under any circumstances that G&C would give up the right to bury Caylee, no matter how simple (or opulent) a funeral they could afford.
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 11:39 PM
Casey hasn't been convicted, so I guess she has the right. But without any way to carry out that right, I guess she would have signed over guardianship of Caylee's remains. Conway made it sound like G&C has been assigned guardianship, but maybe not. I didn't catch Baez's remark, but I find it hard to believe under any circumstances that G&C would give up the right to bury Caylee, no matter how simple (or opulent) a funeral they could afford.
very good point. Caylee was like their daughter I believe. IMO
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 11:41 PM
Loretta how can 31 be viewing this thread with so very few posts? IMO
lorettalockhorn
01-08-2009, 11:44 PM
I might be crazy again but I remember seeing a copy of it. I am so burnt out and sick I cannot look for it at the present. it was very simply put. not a lot of info. maybe it will come out at civil trial but would really like to know how she got that information. I know the employees did not recognize her and they did not recognize each other either on a face line up. IMO
Omigosh, are you sick too? I have a cold for the first time in my life! And the flu on top of it. I would sell my firstborn for an electric blanket; I'm so dehydrated that I hurt in places that I didn't know I had places. But I've lost six pounds in four days. Which is pretty amazing considering that I've been living on hot fries, potato chips, jalapeno dip, fiery doritos, brownies, wine and Nyqul. (Being sick makes me crave junk.)
Get well soon! http://i20.tinypic.com/2z8rgus.jpg
mu8shark
01-08-2009, 11:47 PM
LE didn't identify this ZG even though she filled out a guest card at Sawgrass??? LE did identify her and not only that they hauled her in for questioning. Two things made this one more suspicious, number one on her card at Sawgrass she had two names on the card of those who would live with her, they were in reality her children. Casey gave these two names as the adult roomates of Zenaida and she also identified her car according to what I saw on a Headline news discussion a while back. . Also on Headline news today the guy with the crew cut, I think he is an investigator that comments on the headlines news panel called Casey Baez's little witch , his exact words were Baez could not control his little witch in the beginnning.(Gasp! LOL ) Also on LP, I believe he did call FBI right away but we have to put this in context, I am sure the FBI thought this was a low priority tip at best, maybe they did not even believe it. Remember when local LE got the first tip in August someone replied the dogs had cleared the area, so why would the FBI drop everything and go look at this tip?Particulary when the one of the sources Dominic Casey was pumping out info at least to the Anthonys that everything Casey said turned out to be true! Also it is just my opinion that all this is hindsight and it is easy now that the body was found there to kind of say, well LE really dropped the ball, like this was the only place to look. Also sigh , someone on the panel today at headline news said that in some of Casey Anthonys defense interviews someone is pushing the theory that Casey had post partum depression and this may have caused her to snap. Can I just ask a question out of total ignorance? Is Post Partum depression so severe after 3 years of giving birth that it would cause a psychosis and she would not show any other symptoms up to the moment of murder? Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought it was much sooner than that and more noticeable in other areas of her life. If they try this, I don't see a jury buying that at all. And oh one more thing last night LP said he does not believe Cindy and George knew where the body was, which makes me wonder if Lee knew, because I just can't fathom Casey telling her lawyer or investigators anything but she is innocent. So who lead Dominic Casey there ??? Sorry so much various musings in one post but my comp is slow and trying to catch up on all of your great stuff on here.
SaraSidle
01-08-2009, 11:50 PM
Omigosh, are you sick too? I have a cold for the first time in my life! And the flu on top of it. I would sell my firstborn for an electric blanket; I'm so dehydrated that I hurt in places that I didn't know I had places. But I've lost six pounds in four days. Which is pretty amazing considering that I've been living on hot fries, potato chips, jalapeno dip, fiery doritos, brownies, wine and Nyqul. (Being sick makes me crave junk.)
Get well soon! http://i20.tinypic.com/2z8rgus.jpg
on my goodness loretta first time????? zicam over the counter is good. also ginger in gingerale and Campbell's original chicken soup. I am so sorry sweets. Mine is totally different. For some reason there are lots of salmonella cases in our county and DH and I have felt pretty bad for about a week. I get hungry but I am afraid to eat . we will have a weight loss race. I have not weighed my self but it takes all my energy of the day to log on. You seem to be much stronger. I am weak I am sending your pix back LOL sara
mu8shark
01-08-2009, 11:50 PM
Omigosh, are you sick too? I have a cold for the first time in my life! And the flu on top of it. I would sell my firstborn for an electric blanket; I'm so dehydrated that I hurt in places that I didn't know I had places. But I've lost six pounds in four days. Which is pretty amazing considering that I've been living on hot fries, potato chips, jalapeno dip, fiery doritos, brownies, wine and Nyqul. (Being sick makes me crave junk.)
Get well soon! http://i20.tinypic.com/2z8rgus.jpgLord Loretta I have been sick too with the pukes and other not so nice gastric problems. I have lost some weight too from not eating. Had some soup and rolls tonight and doing better. But can you transmit the flu online? LOL. That would be a real virus.
SuzDuJour
01-08-2009, 11:54 PM
Here is a link to the police report about the registration, etc. of Zenaida Gonzalez. 3rd page down, middle of page. It says that ame (Amanda Macklin, manager, ran several names "through their system" and found Zenaida Gonzalez, then gave the officer a guest card which contained her cell phone number. So there was apparently a card intact at Sawgrass with Zenaida's info.
After reading several other searches it appears that Casey had at least 3 friends at Sawgrass and knew an employee there...
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/
mu8shark
01-08-2009, 11:57 PM
that is my feeling and fear all along. She will always blame the nanny and there will not be enough evidence. this could be a real iffy homicide case and I really hope there is enough evidence. IMO sara Sara no jury is going to let her off on a non existent nanny. Remember there is not only no valid phone number, but no valid address, no person she can id, zip , zilc, butkus, Her trunk in the car she was driving smelled of death, , there is a hair with a death band with Caylees mitro dna, she was mighty preoccupied with death in March , she looked up a tv show where a nanny kidnapped a child, Now I ask you if you are on a jury are you going to let her off ?? One juror may hang it with doubt but no way you will get 12 jurors to buy that nanny story, No way, no how, Remember Scott Peterson got convicted with much less and what did the jury say convinced them? His lies? Sound familiar?
SuzDuJour
01-09-2009, 12:00 AM
oops...newbie...I forgot the link to the police report!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3214.0
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:03 AM
From the posts @ the time, Gonzalez is a VERY common name in Orlando (even here in Kansas) and there were 30 Zenaida Gonzalez' they checked in to. I don't even know that THIS ZG was taken into the police station to be interrogated. I don't think they believed for one minute @ that time there was a kidnapping, so they could very well have just checked the information, without taking her in to the police station.
I can't believe her boss just let her go because she had the same name as a ficticious nanny, especially when she was PROVED to not be the one in question. That's HER story, wonder what her boss' story is? This is the one they dragged in according to her lawyer. Another thing you can be sure is that the lawyer she has , who according to almost all the talking heads on tv is a very prestigious lawyer and you know he has checked into all the kinds of questions that you are asking and more. I am sure he would not ruin his good reputation by glomming onto this woman if she was bogus and had no claim at all. I can believe she was fired and I bet her lawyer checked all this out before he offered to represent her for free. From what I understand he does not particulary need the business as he is a very respected lawyer in Florida.
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 12:05 AM
LE did identify her and not only that they hauled her in for questioning. Two things made this one more suspicious, number one on her card at Sawgrass she had two names on the card of those who would live with her, they were in reality her children. Casey gave these two names as the adult roomates of Zenaida and she also identified her car according to what I saw on a Headline news discussion a while back. . Also on Headline news today the guy with the crew cut, I think he is an investigator that comments on the headlines news panel called Casey Baez's little witch , his exact words were Baez could not control his little witch in the beginnning.(Gasp! LOL ) Also on LP, I believe he did call FBI right away but we have to put this in context, I am sure the FBI thought this was a low priority tip at best, maybe they did not even believe it. Remember when local LE got the first tip in August someone replied the dogs had cleared the area, so why would the FBI drop everything and go look at this tip?Particulary when the one of the sources Dominic Casey was pumping out info at least to the Anthonys that everything Casey said turned out to be true! Also it is just my opinion that all this is hindsight and it is easy now that the body was found there to kind of say, well LE really dropped the ball, like this was the only place to look. Also sigh , someone on the panel today at headline news said that in some of Casey Anthonys defense interviews someone is pushing the theory that Casey had post partum depression and this may have caused her to snap. Can I just ask a question out of total ignorance? Is Post Partum depression so severe after 3 years of giving birth that it would cause a psychosis and she would not show any other symptoms up to the moment of murder? Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought it was much sooner than that and more noticeable in other areas of her life. If they try this, I don't see a jury buying that at all. And oh one more thing last night LP said he does not believe Cindy and George knew where the body was, which makes me wonder if Lee knew, because I just can't fathom Casey telling her lawyer or investigators anything but she is innocent. So who lead Dominic Casey there ??? Sorry so much various musings in one post but my comp is slow and trying to catch up on all of your great stuff on here.
this is a wonderful post. the only thing I disagree on is LE did drop the ball as did the psychic,pis, and meter reader. I mean with all the publicity this case had going????????? And who got the reward??? I know a lot of post partum but not how long it lasts. However I never saw any depression on Casey's party videos.........IMO
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 12:10 AM
Lord Loretta I have been sick too with the pukes and other not so nice gastric problems. I have lost some weight too from not eating. Had some soup and rolls tonight and doing better. But can you transmit the flu online? LOL. That would be a real virus.
hey I like that thinking. let's blame loretta the CL virus
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:11 AM
Zenaida has every right to sue. The card at Sawgrass only showed part of her name but Casey gave it in full described her car (though she did mistake the model for one that was nearly identical. Zenaida was fired from her job due to the publicity and cannot get another one due to her notoriety. Even though potential bosses prob realise she didn't do it noone wants to employ anyone who has beenthisinviolved in a high profile case it causes issues and they know she will probably be called on to testify so who wwould want to employ someone that they know will have to take time off in the near future; not to mention the death threats she received from the crazys.I agree she has a right to sue and as I said her lawyer is not really an ambulance chaser like some of these guys so I am sure before he filed he looked at everything. Casey somehow saw that card because the two names on there for her children Casey mistakenly assumed were adult female roomates. So how did she do that? My cousin was struck by how she had Zanny ahead of time and then this name Zenaida, but maybe if she looked through a lot of cards, like Loretta or someone else said, it fit her idea of what full name would go with Zanny.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:14 AM
this is a wonderful post. the only thing I disagree on is LE did drop the ball as did the psychic,pis, and meter reader. I mean with all the publicity this case had going????????? And who got the reward??? I know a lot of post partum but not how long it lasts. However I never saw any depression on Casey's party videos.........IMOOkay I will give ya the dropped ball on the meter reader but as for psychics I looked at some of the 5,000 tips that LE had released and mind you I only looked at about 75 or 100 one afternoon and 99 per cent were from psychics or people with feelings and I gotta tell LE does not invest a lot of time in psychics tips but I will give ya they should have at least looked better in August.
SuzDuJour
01-09-2009, 12:15 AM
Wow, mu8shark, interesting stuff!
I believe post-partum depression is about a year or less, but am not qualified to answer...HOWEVER, when Casey tells her parents in one of the jail visit videos that she was 'desperate' about needing the money she stole (maybe an abortion??) and was hysterical at the no-clothes party because she ran into "Brandon, another ex" who she said she had a miscarriage from his child (maybe the same abortion)...hmmn...could be hormones in play from that pregnancy, if it did exist at all – or just speculation!
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 12:16 AM
She had a friend Dante Saleh who quit his job on June 17 (interesting date, no? I bet he had some free time on his hands that day) And it also happens to be the date that the "real" Zenaida visited Sawgrass to look at that apartment. I can't imagine the two are unrelated, but the weird thing is, how did she know about Zenaida before this date? Or did she?
SHe was also friends with a couple in another apartment at Sawgrass and I believe he was named Ricardo. Very strange I have no answers. IMO
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 12:20 AM
Here is a link to the police report about the registration, etc. of Zenaida Gonzalez. 3rd page down, middle of page. It says that ame (Amanda Macklin, manager, ran several names "through their system" and found Zenaida Gonzalez, then gave the officer a guest card which contained her cell phone number. So there was apparently a card intact at Sawgrass with Zenaida's info.
After reading several other searches it appears that Casey had at least 3 friends at Sawgrass and knew an employee there...
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/16/casey-anthonys-connection-with-sawgrass-apartments/
thank you for making me feel sane. I need that once in a while. IMO:)
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:20 AM
Hey gang!!!
Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. I'm at my mom's for the winter break (she has satellite TV and we don't YET), and Katey's been hogging the internet...:(
First, I hope everyone had a Merry what-ever-you-celebrate-in-the-winter, and a Happy New Year!!!
Okay-I have a THEORY.
What if things were degrading in the Anthony household, and the Skank knew she was going to be forced to shape up or ship out???
I THINK that maybe she was trying to FAKE a kidnapping, and thinks went totally wrong.
Think about it. She had a pre-manufactured story about the nanny, then jumped to the nanny and family grabbing Caylee in the park. And all the script bull-chit.
That may have been her cover story for the family and LE alike.
"The nanny and family are holding Caylee-NOT sweet, innocent, pretty little ME."
I THINK that maybe she thought that she could hit Mommy and Daddy up for money by creating a kidnapping situation, and holding Caylee for ransom, but Caylee died in the process, due to the tape and chloroform.
That set in motion all the lies and wild goose chase.
What if the Skank made it a game with Caylee...
"Let's play a game!! I'll hide you in the trunk (while she was at Tony's), and we'll surprise Tony in a little while!!!"
Meanwhile, she gets Caylee dosed up with chloroform, tapes her up so she doesn't scream bloody murder if she wakes up early, and she either od's on the chloroform, or aspirates on her own vomit while taped up.
By the time the Skank comes back to the car, Caylee's dead, and there goes her chance to get mad-money from Mommy and Daddy.
That would explain why she was all taped up, and how she possibly died.
It may have been accidental, but it's STILL MURDER!!
Also, I think Padilla's "daisy-chain" theory is a bucket of CHIT!!!
Don't get me wrong-I like the man for NOT GIVING UP ON FINDING CAYLEE, but he's out of his element on this, and it seems like he's making things up as he goes along-to take everything that comes up into account-much like the Skank does.
I honestly don't think Mr. Kronk had a blessed thing to do with this case, other than being in the wrong place at the right time-or the right place at the wrong time-depending on how you look at his discovery of Caylee's body. I believe he's TOTALLY INNOCENT, and he's a HERO for finding what nobody else could find.
I also THINK that Hoover just wasn't in the right spot while he was filming the site. It's a BIG AREA, and he just happened to miss the body, and now it's sour grapes and screw the meter reader.
What ya all think???Leonard has a lot of inside info but I agree the daisy theory is just nuts. I really don't think the meter reader was tipped off. Also nothing wrong with your theory, it could be, I mean for some reason she looked up that episode where a nanny kidnaps a child, right in the middle of all that death stuff, I mean at the same time! So it could be, but I am still leaning toward premed ,but your post has some really good ideas! IF it is true that CIndy went to a therapist who recommended she kick Casey out and get custody of Caylee, Casey definitely knew the money and support gravy train was coming to an end and I can see Cindy in nger blasting her with this.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 12:24 AM
oops...newbie...I forgot the link to the police report!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3214.0
Thanks Suz! I've read a lot of the Vickie A myspace stuff and the files (downloads), but don't have my own file. I've forgotten more than I remember at this point.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 12:27 AM
hey I like that thinking. let's blame loretta the CL virus
LMAO
http://i34.tinypic.com/30ii14g.jpg
THE CURE
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 12:29 AM
Leonard has a lot of inside info but I agree the daisy theory is just nuts. I really don't think the meter reader was tipped off. Also nothing wrong with your theory, it could be, I mean for some reason she looked up that episode where a nanny kidnaps a child, right in the middle of all that death stuff, I mean at the same time! So it could be, but I am still leaning toward premed ,but your post has some really good ideas! IF it is true that CIndy went to a therapist who recommended she kick Casey out and get custody of Caylee, Casey definitely knew the money and support gravy train was coming to an end and I can see Cindy in nger blasting her with this.
both of you have wonderful thoughts here in my opinion. Sara I am going to rest about and might be back later..............
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 12:30 AM
LMAO
http://i34.tinypic.com/30ii14g.jpg
THE CURE
LOL I need the cure. I need the cure.......sara
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:31 AM
Maybe Lee did investigate it back in August/September and found it and had kept quiet about it. Seeing the torment his parents were going through, maybe he had a private conversation with the PI asking for advice. Maybe the fact that every little girl in Florida was being photographed and people were have police show up at their house at 2 a.m. led him to think that the remains had to be found.
Gator This could very well be. I don't for one minute buy the theory out of over 100 sites that LE and Tim Miller had on their radar to search, these PI's took a video of just one area. I don't buy it. Maybe I am jaded but I don't believe in these kind of coincidences and how stupid is D Caseys reason for going there? Oh wanted to see if kids partied there? Yeah Dom because the whole case hedges on this, right like this is an issue in court? I don';t buy it.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 12:39 AM
This could very well be. I don't for one minute buy the theory out of over 100 sites that LE and Tim Miller had on their radar to search, these PI's took a video of just one area. I don't buy it. Maybe I am jaded but I don't believe in these kind of coincidences and how stupid is D Caseys reason for going there? Oh wanted to see if kids partied there? Yeah Dom because the whole case hedges on this, right like this is an issue in court? I don';t buy it.
Agree. The only thing that I can think of that would take D Casey to that spot is if he figured that the cell phone pings were plants; that Casey was using her phone knowing that LE would look at her statement and triangulate her calls. It makes sense to me that the one area that she wasn't making calls in, is the area that should have been the most suspect.
D Casey didn't care how stupid his reason for going to The Zone was. Horny teenage kids murdered Caylee? pfft Honestly, if he'd found Caylee's remains, I bet he'd have known to call Crimestoppers instead of 911.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:39 AM
Oh I have to vent about Janie Weintrab again on Jane Velez last night,she keeps saying over and over that LE is no longer supposed to be investigating, that the trial is coming up in March and since a trial date is set , they are not supposed to be investigating and she was ranting about this one week after they found the body. Now she said she was once a prosecutor. You can't tell me that if she was prosecuting this case she would tell LE after they found a major, major element of the crime , THE BODY, and a major part of the crime scene she would tell LE, "Oh no more investigating, not relevant, that body,how it got there, who else knew about it, , anything that ties it to the Anthony home, quit looking , time is up! Not interested" If she was a former prosecutor she knows better than this! She is just being absurd about this. And she does it everytime they call on her her notions! First of all the case is not going forward in March, any dunce of a lawyer knows this, there is not a time limit on any murder charge and if the prosecution wanted more time to investigate after they discovered the major evidence that they did, they could ask for a continuance. ANd would probably get it. I am so sick and tired of hearing her say "They are not supposed to be investigating after they charged her already. " She is misleading people and acting like an idiot. She surely knows if she were in the prosecutors shoes she would be going a major investigation to the additional evidence they found. Man I feel better
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 12:45 AM
Oh I have to vent about Janie Weintrab again on Jane Velez last night,she keeps saying over and over that LE is no longer supposed to be investigating, that the trial is coming up in March and since a trial date is set , they are not supposed to be investigating and she was ranting about this one week after they found the body. Now she said she was once a prosecutor. You can't tell me that if she was prosecuting this case she would tell LE after they found a major, major element of the crime , THE BODY, and a major part of the crime scene she would tell LE, "Oh no more investigating, not relevant, that body,how it got there, who else knew about it, , anything that ties it to the Anthony home, quit looking , time is up! Not interested" If she was a former prosecutor she knows better than this! She is just being absurd about this. And she does it everytime they call on her her notions! First of all the case is not going forward in March, any dunce of a lawyer knows this, there is not a time limit on any murder charge and if the prosecution wanted more time to investigate after they discovered the major evidence that they did, they could ask for a continuance. ANd would probably get it. I am so sick and tired of hearing her say "They are not supposed to be investigating after they charged her already. " She is misleading people and acting like an idiot. She surely knows if she were in the prosecutors shoes she would be going a major investigation to the additional evidence they found. Man I feel better
I usually enjoy listening to JW's point of view, but that's just whack! Everyone who's ever watched Perry Mason knows that Paul Drake was out scouring the countryside for clues while court was in session!
But seriously, what's the legal aspect here??? I know JVM prolly goes pretty easy on her, but NG would likely squash her under her Manolo Blahnik's.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:47 AM
OH! I like this theory!
Lee could in no way risk being the one to find Caylee, if you ask me. Even if he was a first class, A-One, top drawer graduate of the Sam Spade School of Licensed Private Investigation, it would have stunk to high heaven if he had found Caylee. BUT I can totally see him dropping clues (literally) soon after Casey was safely ensconced in jail to have Caylee's remains found. No he could not afford to find her himself. It would implicate his sister and also give LE lots and lots of questions about him. I like the same theory you like Loretta. Lee dropped clues to somebody.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:49 AM
I usually enjoy listening to JW's point of view, but that's just whack! Everyone who's ever watched Perry Mason knows that Paul Drake was out scouring the countryside for clues while court was in session!
But seriously, what's the legal aspect here??? I know JVM prolly goes pretty easy on her, but NG would likely squash her under her Manolo Blahnik's.I thought of this too! Seriously why doesn't JVM challenge her about this? Was JVM a lawyer once, probably not. Nancy would never let her get away with it. I was almost tempted to write JVM and tell her to explain her theory about how as a prosecutor JW would let it go and stop investigating.
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 12:52 AM
NANCY GRACE
Court Hearing on Caylee Autopsy Photos
Aired January 8, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/08/ng.01.html
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 12:55 AM
The Liar was sworn in to tell the truth, the whole truth. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator Yes and giving her full name will be the last true thing out of her lying mouth.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:00 AM
Okay I have to vent about this second autopsy stuff. While I realize the defense would be totally remiss in not doing it, they are I think posturing. I mean are they really going to come to the conclusion from bones that it was a heart attack that killed this child or some other innocent explanation or drowning by accident, hello there is no lung tissue! I hate to be blunt like that about the remains of this poor little girl. And all this about comparing their photos and tissue samples with LE's , like they are going to somehow tell a vastly different story. Are they going to be that different, ? It is almost like they are trying to make the public think that somehow the ME's office can alter the remains or the photos or the results. It is ludicrous and for some odd reason it is holding up a decent burial of thils little girl. Can't bury the little girl until we see the photos,pfffft. oh please enough
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:05 AM
I thought of this too! Seriously why doesn't JVM challenge her about this? Was JVM a lawyer once, probably not. Nancy would never let her get away with it. I was almost tempted to write JVM and tell her to explain her theory about how as a prosecutor JW would let it go and stop investigating.
I've never read that she's an attorney; found this:
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/velez-mitchell.jane.html
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:06 AM
Now why didn't I think of that? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/doh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
If they try to pin this on one of the other A's it will just be TOO wierd. Strange you should say this. My cousin absolutely thinks with te comp searches they will try to throw some other Anthony under the bus and does not think Casey will hesitate to let them do it.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:08 AM
I thought of this too! Seriously why doesn't JVM challenge her about this? Was JVM a lawyer once, probably not. Nancy would never let her get away with it. I was almost tempted to write JVM and tell her to explain her theory about how as a prosecutor JW would let it go and stop investigating.
AAAAAHAHA I just realized that I am using Perry Mason as a standard. Oh well, Baez could do worse. :hat:
Oh I have to vent about Janie Weintrab again on Jane Velez last night,she keeps saying over and over that LE is no longer supposed to be investigating, that the trial is coming up in March and since a trial date is set , they are not supposed to be investigating and she was ranting about this one week after they found the body. Now she said she was once a prosecutor. You can't tell me that if she was prosecuting this case she would tell LE after they found a major, major element of the crime , THE BODY, and a major part of the crime scene she would tell LE, "Oh no more investigating, not relevant, that body,how it got there, who else knew about it, , anything that ties it to the Anthony home, quit looking , time is up! Not interested" If she was a former prosecutor she knows better than this! She is just being absurd about this. And she does it everytime they call on her her notions! First of all the case is not going forward in March, any dunce of a lawyer knows this, there is not a time limit on any murder charge and if the prosecution wanted more time to investigate after they discovered the major evidence that they did, they could ask for a continuance. ANd would probably get it. I am so sick and tired of hearing her say "They are not supposed to be investigating after they charged her already. " She is misleading people and acting like an idiot. She surely knows if she were in the prosecutors shoes she would be going a major investigation to the additional evidence they found. Man I feel better
I've never been a Janie Weintraub fan but she's always interesting if nothing else. The Liar was charged BEFORE the body was found so does JW think that should have been ignored and not investigated? That's ridiculous. :no: NG would have let her have it with both barrels.
Strange you should say this. My cousin absolutely thinks with te comp searches they will try to throw some other Anthony under the bus and does not think Casey will hesitate to let them do it.
I think she'd do anything to get off. If they can at least raise reasonable doubt as to who did the searches it might do the trick. There are plenty of people that still try to pin OJ Simpson's crimes on his son.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:14 AM
I remember LP saying something about a character named Zanny the Nanny in a story book but I never knew what book he referred to. I think it's entirely possible that's where she got it because I don't think she pulled the name Zanny out of her butt. On the other hand, I wonder why she calls Zenaida Zanny instead of Zenny? TV your dog is adorable! Is it a shepherd mix? No she probably did not pull it out of her butt LOL. ,Maybe for a while she had Zanny and then when she discovered Zenaida it was close enough, too late to change it to Zenny huh? Cause the rest of her story was sooooo believable. Also am I a spiteful B for saying I loved seeing her in chains?
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:18 AM
I think she'd do anything to get off. If they can at least raise reasonable doubt as to who did the searches it might do the trick. There are plenty of people that still try to pin OJ Simpson's crimes on his son. Cindy was at work they already said that. And I think they are going to have a hard time pinning it on George. I mean how will a jury buy that George looked up a story of one tree hill episode where a child was kidnapped by a nanny and Casey coincidentally had the exact same story. Besides I bet she read email and stuff in between her devious searches. It will take a lot more than that to get her off. In the Peterson trial they never could prove Scott did the searches on the tides in the bay but the jury put two and two together easily enough.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:20 AM
I've never been a Janie Weintraub fan but she's always interesting if nothing else. The Liar was charged BEFORE the body was found so does JW think that should have been ignored and not investigated? That's ridiculous. :no: NG would have let her have it with both barrels.Well that does it ! LOL . I am going to drop JVM a line and tell her to at least challenge that idiotic premise.!
TV your dog is adorable! Is it a shepherd mix? No she probably did not pull it out of her butt LOL. ,Maybe for a while she had Zanny and then when she discovered Zenaida it was close enough, too late to change it to Zenny huh? Cause the rest of her story was sooooo believable. Also am I a spiteful B for saying I loved seeing her in chains?
Thanks so much! Yes, Buddy is a shepherd mix -- not sure what the other half is but there's some lab there too I think. He was a shelter dog and he's 100 pounds of love and perfection! Sorry, I get carried away. :tongue: I got inspired by the beautiful dogs that you and others have put on your avatars so I thought I'd add him. I'll take him down after a while and put up my beagle, Daisy.
You are not a spiteful anything for enjoying her in chains! I thought they suited her very well. I noticed she was still trying to use her sexy walk but it lost something with the rattling chains, LOL.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:30 AM
I think that things have not been well between the A's and kc since August. These articles make me go hmmmm!
IMO DC could have found out details around this time and tried to have the body found using the MR. I really don't wasnt to beleive that but it has to be investigated. I mean around this time the A's stopped walking outside saying what a wonderful mother Casey was as they usually did after meeting with her. In fact it says they had nothing to say about the meeting and then LE decides not to release the meetings which Baez has made motions for them to be released to him . Also this is when Kc starts refusing visits from Lee and her parents. Something hinky is going on here.:confused:One of the most curious things is the wording that was used in a press release when LE wanted to talk to Dominic Casey. Baez spokesperson said he wanted to protect work product as was related to the possible location of the body. Possible discussions location of the body? When were they discussing that ? Dominic stopped working for Baez Oct 1. The day before the body was found the Anthonys and Jose were saying Caylee was alive or they believed she was alive. I think that was lawyer speak. I think Baez and others were discussing possible places for the body while telling the public the mall story, the restaurant story, the airport story, blah blah, but something is hinky. He sure got nervous about them talking to Casey.
Cindy was at work they already said that. And I think they are going to have a hard time pinning it on George. I mean how will a jury buy that George looked up a story of one tree hill episode where a child was kidnapped by a nanny and Casey coincidentally had the exact same story. Besides I bet she read email and stuff in between her devious searches. It will take a lot more than that to get her off. In the Peterson trial they never could prove Scott did the searches on the tides in the bay but the jury put two and two together easily enough.
Sometimes my imagination runs wild and I picture her actually getting away with this! You're right, of course, it's going to take a lot to let her walk. There wasn't nearly as much evidence in the SP trial and he went to death row -- I have faith!
I hope you do write to JVM about JW! She should have never been able to let that ridiculous assertion go unchallenged. Talk about pulling things out of your butt!
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:33 AM
Thanks so much! Yes, Buddy is a shepherd mix -- not sure what the other half is but there's some lab there too I think. He was a shelter dog and he's 100 pounds of love and perfection! Sorry, I get carried away. :tongue: I got inspired by the beautiful dogs that you and others have put on your avatars so I thought I'd add him. I'll take him down after a while and put up my beagle, Daisy.
You are not a spiteful anything for enjoying her in chains! I thought they suited her very well. I noticed she was still trying to use her sexy walk but it lost something with the rattling chains, LOL.OMG I was on the phone with my cousin and I said Is she trying to do a little itty bitty wiggle when she walks? I thought I was the only one who spied that. Also on the dog, my dog pictured Kennedy is a beagle /lab mix and she has the best disposition . I could rub her belly forever!
One of the most curious things is the wording that was used in a press release when LE wanted to talk to Dominic Casey. Baez spokesperson said he wanted to protect work product as was related to the possible location of the body. Possible discussions location of the body? When were they discussing that ? Dominic stopped working for Baez Oct 1. The day before the body was found the Anthonys and Jose were saying Caylee was alive or they believed she was alive. I think that was lawyer speak. I think Baez and others were discussing possible places for the body while telling the public the mall story, the restaurant story, the airport story, blah blah, but something is hinky. He sure got nervous about them talking to Casey.
Yep, I think Mr. Baez is a little nervous about a couple of things. Something just isn't right with this whole body location thing. Too many coincidences -- they just can't all be happenstance. I never believed that Baez truly believed that Caylee was alive. If he was smart enough to get through law school then he has enough brains to figure out that the Liar is a liar. The only person I think ever really thought she was alive was LP and I'm not even sure about that.
OMG I was on the phone with my cousin and I said Is she trying to do a little itty bitty wiggle when she walks? I thought I was the only one who spied that. Also on the dog, my dog pictured Kennedy is a beagle /lab mix and she has the best disposition . I could rub her belly forever!
What a combination! I bet she's a sweetheart! Labs are great dogs and Beagles are the sweetest things. How big is she?
Oh yeah, she was trying to do the wiggle and that jail issue outfit she was wearing did nothing for her. Her hair is looking a little drab too. Aww, too bad! :D
I'm glad someone else besides me noticed the wiggle! :tongue:
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 01:52 AM
What a combination! I bet she's a sweetheart! Labs are great dogs and Beagles are the sweetest things. How big is she?
Oh yeah, she was trying to do the wiggle and that jail issue outfit she was wearing did nothing for her. Her hair is looking a little drab too. Aww, too bad! :D
I'm glad someone else besides me noticed the wiggle! :tongue: Kennedy weighs about 56 pounds so more than a beagle but less than a lab. I have an American Cocker Brody a male who weighs a lot , he is a fatty and I adore him, have had him for about 8 years but he is a little more tempermental but still a very affectionate . loving guy.
mu8shark
01-09-2009, 02:02 AM
Well I wrote Jane Velez M about Janies absurd statement. I have to work tomorrow till eight so you guys will have to let me know if Janie says this yet again and if Jane challenges her.! Nite all!
Did Casey actually tell Mr. Grund that the nanny was named Zanny? I remember him talking about that on NG but I don't remember if he said the name Zanny.
I do. I THINK it was in response to the question had he ever heard the name Zanny. Or, it could have been him just telling about the relationship, his family being Caylee's babysitters for some time, and how and why he told Casey it had to stop. But, he definitely said that, when he told her they could no longer be the babysitters, she said she had just that day hired a nanny named Zanny. Don't recall if she said nanny @ the time, or babysitter, but definitely he said she said Zanny.
Woostock
01-09-2009, 06:36 AM
Just wondering..Does Casey think she will be found not-guilty? If she is thinking that she is in for a rude awakening...she will be lucky if they don't go for the DP when all the evidence adds up...She got away with a lot in the past but those days are over for her.
LE did identify her and not only that they hauled her in for questioning. Two things made this one more suspicious, number one on her card at Sawgrass she had two names on the card of those who would live with her, they were in reality her children. Casey gave these two names as the adult roomates of Zenaida and she also identified her car according to what I saw on a Headline news discussion a while back. . Also on Headline news today the guy with the crew cut, I think he is an investigator that comments on the headlines news panel called Casey Baez's little witch , his exact words were Baez could not control his little witch in the beginnning.(Gasp! LOL ) Also on LP, I believe he did call FBI right away but we have to put this in context, I am sure the FBI thought this was a low priority tip at best, maybe they did not even believe it. Remember when local LE got the first tip in August someone replied the dogs had cleared the area, so why would the FBI drop everything and go look at this tip?Particulary when the one of the sources Dominic Casey was pumping out info at least to the Anthonys that everything Casey said turned out to be true! Also it is just my opinion that all this is hindsight and it is easy now that the body was found there to kind of say, well LE really dropped the ball, like this was the only place to look. Also sigh , someone on the panel today at headline news said that in some of Casey Anthonys defense interviews someone is pushing the theory that Casey had post partum depression and this may have caused her to snap. Can I just ask a question out of total ignorance? Is Post Partum depression so severe after 3 years of giving birth that it would cause a psychosis and she would not show any other symptoms up to the moment of murder? Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought it was much sooner than that and more noticeable in other areas of her life. If they try this, I don't see a jury buying that at all. And oh one more thing last night LP said he does not believe Cindy and George knew where the body was, which makes me wonder if Lee knew, because I just can't fathom Casey telling her lawyer or investigators anything but she is innocent. So who lead Dominic Casey there ??? Sorry so much various musings in one post but my comp is slow and trying to catch up on all of your great stuff on here.
You are right. Post partum depression develops when "baby blues" which happens in the first several days does not dissipate. If left untreated, ppd can get worse. @ some point, one could get to post partum psychosis, but all this happens within a short time after the birth, is progressively worsening. A psychotic break (which would be the case where one would kill her child due to post partum depression) would occur MUCH earlier.
Also, post partum depression is DEPRESSION. Don't know how many posters have had depression, or live w/people w/depression. BUT, a depressed person has difficulty getting up and out of bed, getting showered and dressed, forcing herself to take care of house or home (and child) and getting to work. Even if a depressed person may go to an occasional social event, something they just can't get out of, s/he is not likely to have a full and eventful social life, as seems to be this case. A depressed person may make every effort to portray a "normal" life by getting up and going to work, etc, but there just isn't enough energy to go out partying.
I have not read of (but I am not a specialist dealing with) post partum depression lasting almost 3 years. Usually, it would be treated well before then. If she had NOT been treated, it would have reared it's ugly head well before the time of Caylee's death. I suppose one of Baez' "experts" could come up with some obscure case where this happened? But, I bet prosecution experts could refute it.
on my goodness loretta first time????? zicam over the counter is good. also ginger in gingerale and Campbell's original chicken soup. I am so sorry sweets. Mine is totally different. For some reason there are lots of salmonella cases in our county and DH and I have felt pretty bad for about a week. I get hungry but I am afraid to eat . we will have a weight loss race. I have not weighed my self but it takes all my energy of the day to log on. You seem to be much stronger. I am weak I am sending your pix back LOL sara
I had what I "diagnosed" as a case of food poisoning Monday night after eating a tuna sub from a local franchise. OMG!!! After romancing the commode for hours, not being able to be up for more than about 10 minutes @ a time, and sleeping when I wasn't in the bathroom, I finally felt pretty human about midnight Tuesday. Still weak as a kitten on Wednesday, but able to be up, @ least.
I actually worked for about 8 hours today, thank goodness was let off early. But, spent the pm studying for an exam--well, I did catch myself having fallen asleep on several occasions.
Hope all of you under the weather get to feeling better soon. I think the worst is falling asleep @ the message boards!!! You think you are about to catch up on some of the posting, to open your eyes and find several more pages have gone up while you "blinked."
Oh I have to vent about Janie Weintrab again on Jane Velez last night,she keeps saying over and over that LE is no longer supposed to be investigating, that the trial is coming up in March and since a trial date is set , they are not supposed to be investigating and she was ranting about this one week after they found the body. Now she said she was once a prosecutor. You can't tell me that if she was prosecuting this case she would tell LE after they found a major, major element of the crime , THE BODY, and a major part of the crime scene she would tell LE, "Oh no more investigating, not relevant, that body,how it got there, who else knew about it, , anything that ties it to the Anthony home, quit looking , time is up! Not interested" If she was a former prosecutor she knows better than this! She is just being absurd about this. And she does it everytime they call on her her notions! First of all the case is not going forward in March, any dunce of a lawyer knows this, there is not a time limit on any murder charge and if the prosecution wanted more time to investigate after they discovered the major evidence that they did, they could ask for a continuance. ANd would probably get it. I am so sick and tired of hearing her say "They are not supposed to be investigating after they charged her already. " She is misleading people and acting like an idiot. She surely knows if she were in the prosecutors shoes she would be going a major investigation to the additional evidence they found. Man I feel better
I can't believe she doesn't know how absolutely uneducated she looks on her tv appearences. Well, even Baez and some other lawyers have been known to look somewhat....unknowlegeable about law?...in their appearances. Does she really believe what she is saying? Heck, it in seems MOST cases, the investigating never stops!!! Both sides. They keep going. I remember her from the Laci Peterson case--she emphatically insisted EVERY time she was on a show that THERE WAS NO PROOF OF MURDER. Like, Laci had somehow went to the marina without a car, placed weights on herself, rowed herself out into the bay and stepped off the boat. HELLO!!!!! :flamemad:
Okay I have to vent about this second autopsy stuff. While I realize the defense would be totally remiss in not doing it, they are I think posturing. I mean are they really going to come to the conclusion from bones that it was a heart attack that killed this child or some other innocent explanation or drowning by accident, hello there is no lung tissue! I hate to be blunt like that about the remains of this poor little girl. And all this about comparing their photos and tissue samples with LE's , like they are going to somehow tell a vastly different story. Are they going to be that different, ? It is almost like they are trying to make the public think that somehow the ME's office can alter the remains or the photos or the results. It is ludicrous and for some odd reason it is holding up a decent burial of thils little girl. Can't bury the little girl until we see the photos,pfffft. oh please enough
I agree. They have to pick @ any little thing, balk @ every little thing, do whatever they can do to delay, delay, delay. To provide smoke and mirrors, obfuscate, dissipate, alienate (well, they do that, whether they want to or not.) They have NOTHING other than a phanny nanny, an invisible script, a story no one in their right mind would believe, even if a person stepped forward and identified herself as Zanny the nanny and CONFESSED to the murder. They just don't have ANY defense, so will stall as long as they can get away with it. Maybe hoping, by the time Casey goes to trial that evidence will be lost, and, as more time goes by, the witnesses like TonE and Jesse and Amy, even LE--their recollections might not be as precise as they are now. Oh, and to try anything to cast suspicion on ANYONE else. Every little bit helps, ya know.
sharlock
01-09-2009, 08:05 AM
# Motion to Compel Release of Investigative Interviews of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...%20Anthony.pdf (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Release%20of%20Investigativ e%20Interviews%20of%20George,%20Cindy,%20and%20Lee %20Anthony.pdf)
Has everyone had a good look at this one where he accuses the police of misconduct in relation to the visit with Casey in August? Very interesting.
sharlock
01-09-2009, 08:10 AM
Strange you should say this. My cousin absolutely thinks with te comp searches they will try to throw some other Anthony under the bus and does not think Casey will hesitate to let them do it.
A lot of people are speculating that it was George who did the searches and they pointed to the fact that most of the ones that can be proven to be Caseys were done through Firefox and these ones were done through google which was what George used so I do think they will ahve great difficulty proving it (although I admit I haven't gone back and looked at all the comp stuff to check if this was true.)
sharlock
01-09-2009, 08:17 AM
I think the most interesting thing about part 1 of the motion hearings today
http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html
was when they were waiting on Casey. If someone is able to enhance sound I would love to get an even better idea of what they were talking about . A few things I made out was around 14.34 there was someone sounding incredulous saying that she had thrown out the laundry and I honestly think they were talking about Cindy but that one was really not clear because my speakers are not so good. The second was around 18 right up to 19.20 when you can hear a guy talking about this guy who had told them about a fellow dressed like you would to go out into the woods and then I thought I heard mention that he also had 3 mobile phones on him and D.Casey sprang to mind. I would just love forever anyone who could listen to this stuff with better sound and give us the transcript but I will keep plodding away to see what else I can hear.
sharlock
01-09-2009, 08:18 AM
I wonder what LP meant by this comment on NG? I wish she wouldn't cut him off or at least ask some questions..
Hoover on the 8th of November, was out at TES and in front of several peopole actually filed a search directive, a form they fill out, saying where the body was located, I don't know what happened to it but people in LE are trying to track it down.
eatcupcakes
01-09-2009, 08:40 AM
Sara no jury is going to let her off on a non existent nanny. Remember there is not only no valid phone number, but no valid address, no person she can id, zip , zilc, butkus, Her trunk in the car she was driving smelled of death, , there is a hair with a death band with Caylees mitro dna, she was mighty preoccupied with death in March , she looked up a tv show where a nanny kidnapped a child, Now I ask you if you are on a jury are you going to let her off ?? One juror may hang it with doubt but no way you will get 12 jurors to buy that nanny story, No way, no how, Remember Scott Peterson got convicted with much less and what did the jury say convinced them? His lies? Sound familiar?
:beer: Can't agree with you more. The liar is going to spend the rest of her life in prison. Just a side note, does anyone else wonder if she was having a little tryst with her lawyer. She was spending a lot of time at his office, days and days, when she was out of prison, why was that needed?:chicken:
Its just me
01-09-2009, 08:45 AM
Just wondering..Does Casey think she will be found not-guilty? If she is thinking that she is in for a rude awakening...she will be lucky if they don't go for the DP when all the evidence adds up...She got away with a lot in the past but those days are over for her.
I thought about the same thing after seeing her in the court room. I think she deserves all the krama she gets but if she believes she will get off she is being mislead by her attorney.(s) I will never forget the OJ trial and can only pray it does not happen again. fep
eatcupcakes
01-09-2009, 08:58 AM
I thought about the same thing after seeing her in the court room. I think she deserves all the krama she gets but if she believes she will get off she is being mislead by her attorney.(s) I will never forget the OJ trial and can only pray it does not happen again. fep
OJ had Johnny Cochran, and all the other high profile lawyers he could pay for. Karma still got him, where is he now, LMAO, he is sitting in Jail.
The little Liar will spend the rest of her life in prison hopefully on Death Row.
sharlock
01-09-2009, 09:04 AM
Ooh, ooh, ooh I got more!! def team Baez is talking about how this all could have been avoided if they had told him they had these concerns and the prosecution are sitting in their cnr (because he approached them earlier and prob said something similar to them)and they are laughing and asking each other why should they have to chase up whether Casey will come or not? (pros team)They are saying that Hoover has said that he has gone out 2ce in the woods with Casey and on the 2nd day Casey is weraing high boots like you would if you are gioing into thick wood. Hoover starts to get the feeling that something had happened here and so he pulls out his camera and records Casey in the area up ahead on the phone and looking for something. Casey doesn't know he still has recording so he goes out and calls Hoover a liar than on dec 30th dec they get the vid and it shows he wasn't. When you get a bit more through what they are talking about it isn't as exciting as it first seems; they don't seem to have much more info than what we knew but earlier there is a point where he emphatically whispers to her to get rid of it they don't want anyone else to see it and she should get rid of the note(prosecution team talkig). I still have crappy speakers though so forgive me if I still have mistakes in this.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 09:05 AM
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 09:05 AM
Good morning everyone :seeya: I wasn't able to watch NG last night because my t.v. which is only 3 years old went out. The color is all messed up. Hubby was asleep in the bedroom so I didn't want to disturb him.
Anyway I'm going to go back and read all of your posts and check out all of the links now. Hope everyone is staying warm today.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 09:10 AM
:beer: Can't agree with you more. The liar is going to spend the rest of her life in prison. Just a side note, does anyone else wonder if she was having a little tryst with her lawyer. She was spending a lot of time at his office, days and days, when she was out of prison, why was that needed?:chicken:
Good Morning Cupcakes, we went through that months ago before you joined the forum. I would say that the general belief is that there was some business going on in the legal briefs. :tongue:
Gator
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 09:16 AM
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
Oh my! That bothers me to think plants were growing through her skeleton. Makes me sick.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 09:30 AM
You don't believe Mr Grund when he says she told him Zanny the nanny was going to be taking care of Caylee in 2006?
It isn't so much that I don't believe him - I think he's just mistaken. She might have just said a Nanny and two years later, he's thinking Zanny.
shadydaisy
01-09-2009, 09:45 AM
Oh my! That bothers me to think plants were growing through her skeleton. Makes me sick.
It is a great, informative article. As much as I don't like the thought of her laying there for so long, I am glad that they can use this information to pin down the time of death and I hope they can tie this all together and convict Casey.
I have never seen a case where nothing flows and pulls together eventually like this one. The cast of characters is bizarre. Everyone linked to Casey, including her lawyer, all behave strangely. I am hopeful that LE has info we are not privy to, maybe from Amy/Tony/other neighbors, that really nails Casey.
Cindy has been too quiet. Wonder what that's all about.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 09:47 AM
Really! I hadn't heard that, do you have a link I could look at by any chance Gator. If not no biggy just wondering whether she is sure she lost it or could it have been stolen?
She told it to a reporter on WKMG during her very first interview when she was in the shadows. I don't see it on the website any longer.
Gator
P.S. This I was unaware of from John Morgan: - “We know this is the right one. They not only knew she was the right Zenaida, gave the names of her two children and type of car she drove. They knew the color of the car she drove. All given to them allegedly by Casey Anthony,” Morgan said.
Woostock
01-09-2009, 09:53 AM
The accident theory is out the window. WOW..
She thought she'd get away with it . She had gotten away with so much I guess she felt she could do anything; she was really good liar and stole money....and no real consequences....
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 10:05 AM
It is a great, informative article. As much as I don't like the thought of her laying there for so long, I am glad that they can use this information to pin down the time of death and I hope they can tie this all together and convict Casey.
I have never seen a case where nothing flows and pulls together eventually like this one. The cast of characters is bizarre. Everyone linked to Casey, including her lawyer, all behave strangely. I am hopeful that LE has info we are not privy to, maybe from Amy/Tony/other neighbors, that really nails Casey.
Cindy has been too quiet. Wonder what that's all about.
Oh ITA that it is very informative and I'm glad that they have this evidence. It just bothers me to think about plants growing through her bones.
I wonder about Cindy too. I think she's probably too humiliated by her actions of the past to speak out anymore.
Its just me
01-09-2009, 10:06 AM
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
Thanks for the link.....very incouraging but also very sad little Caylee was treated this way. FWIW this link shows the civil trial may not be coming up soon.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-courts22-2008dec22,0,387609.story?page=1
snip: After two rounds of budget cuts in Florida, courts have laid off 280 clerks, lawyers and other staff members, and cut funding for a judges' unit that helps resolve civil disputes. State legislators meeting next month are expected to demand more spending cuts.
An additional 10% reduction would mean "all civil cases in the state of Florida would virtually be suspended," Belvin Perry Jr., chief judge of Florida's 9th Judicial Circuit and chairman of a trial court budget commission, warned a legislative committee in Tallahassee this month.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 10:12 AM
I’ve wondered if Casey found a copy of Zenaida’s Sawgrass registration card in the trash and was going to use that information to write bad checks or, as someone else here thinks, steal her identity. It seems to me that I saw an interview where one of Casey’s friends was shocked to learn that the trash bag (with the pizza box) was taken from his place…and I don’t recall if this friend was the one who lived at Sawgrass as well…that would certainly link Zenaida to Casey in a roundabout way if she was ‘stealing’ trash for identity theft purposes…and also just happened to need a bag of trash to hide the smell that would starting to emanate from the car trunk.
I just can’t reconcile that ALL this happened on June 17th – seems way too close for comfort to come up with a name AFTER she had killed little Caylee…and, of course, I don’t know if Sawgrass threw out the registration cards after they entered information into their computers.
The trash was from Loverboy Tony's apartment.
shadydaisy
01-09-2009, 10:13 AM
Oh ITA that it is very informative and I'm glad that they have this evidence. It just bothers me to think about plants growing through her bones.
I wonder about Cindy too. I think she's probably too humiliated by her actions of the past to speak out anymore.
Either too humiliated or had a mental breakdown. She was teetering on the edge there before the body was identified.
khristmaskathy
01-09-2009, 10:13 AM
Does anyone think that Casey killed Caylee because she wanted to be rid of her or was it to get back at her parents, particularly Cindy? This may have been addressed somewhere but I'm "new"; I cannot see how Casey could sit in the courtroom without crying ; she is a cold-hearted monster IMO. I just keep thinking about all the people who would have adopted that sweet, beautiful child ---the entire thing makes me so sick. This all sounds like a really bad TV movie. You just can't make this stuff up! I can't see how Casey would be cleared ; I imagine the question is death penalty or life in prison. I am so sorry that this happened and I can't understand /comprehend how such evil exists in our world. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this and I wish all of you a very happy weekend!
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 10:16 AM
You'd love to think that the card went through a shredder considering it had personal information on it. But even if it did, Casey still could have seen it beforehand, or could have gotten the information from someone who did.
LE has the card. IIRC the apartment manager filled out the card for Zenaida. Zenaida recited the info, and the manager wrote it. The Liar could have been in the office and overheard her giving the info.
Gator
sharlock
01-09-2009, 10:19 AM
It isn't so much that I don't believe him - I think he's just mistaken. She might have just said a Nanny and two years later, he's thinking Zanny.
He was pretty sure of this Gator and the reason he was so specific is because he was a bit overwhelmed by Casey's response; istead of just saying she got a nanny she went into abundant detail telling him Zanny's name and all about how she found her etc. etc. and he thought it was strange.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 10:25 AM
LE did identify her and not only that they hauled her in for questioning. Two things made this one more suspicious, number one on her card at Sawgrass she had two names on the card of those who would live with her, they were in reality her children. Casey gave these two names as the adult roomates of Zenaida and she also identified her car according to what I saw on a Headline news discussion a while back. . Also on Headline news today the guy with the crew cut, I think he is an investigator that comments on the headlines news panel called Casey Baez's little witch , his exact words were Baez could not control his little witch in the beginnning.(Gasp! LOL ) Also on LP, I believe he did call FBI right away but we have to put this in context, I am sure the FBI thought this was a low priority tip at best, maybe they did not even believe it. Remember when local LE got the first tip in August someone replied the dogs had cleared the area, so why would the FBI drop everything and go look at this tip?Particulary when the one of the sources Dominic Casey was pumping out info at least to the Anthonys that everything Casey said turned out to be true! Also it is just my opinion that all this is hindsight and it is easy now that the body was found there to kind of say, well LE really dropped the ball, like this was the only place to look. Also sigh , someone on the panel today at headline news said that in some of Casey Anthonys defense interviews someone is pushing the theory that Casey had post partum depression and this may have caused her to snap. Can I just ask a question out of total ignorance? Is Post Partum depression so severe after 3 years of giving birth that it would cause a psychosis and she would not show any other symptoms up to the moment of murder? Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought it was much sooner than that and more noticeable in other areas of her life. If they try this, I don't see a jury buying that at all. And oh one more thing last night LP said he does not believe Cindy and George knew where the body was, which makes me wonder if Lee knew, because I just can't fathom Casey telling her lawyer or investigators anything but she is innocent. So who lead Dominic Casey there ??? Sorry so much various musings in one post but my comp is slow and trying to catch up on all of your great stuff on here.
Hi Shark, it's not postpartum depression, it's hate and jealousy. Plus fear - Caylee was getting a very good vocabulary and would soon spill the beans about not have a sitter or mommy not working.
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 10:25 AM
Does anyone think that Casey killed Caylee because she wanted to be rid of her or was it to get back at her parents, particularly Cindy? This may have been addressed somewhere but I'm "new"; I cannot see how Casey could sit in the courtroom without crying ; she is a cold-hearted monster IMO. I just keep thinking about all the people who would have adopted that sweet, beautiful child ---the entire thing makes me so sick. This all sounds like a really bad TV movie. You just can't make this stuff up! I can't see how Casey would be cleared ; I imagine the question is death penalty or life in prison. I am so sorry that this happened and I can't understand /comprehend how such evil exists in our world. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this and I wish all of you a very happy weekend!
I think it was a combination of the two. I think she wanted to have a life or partying and being free. I also think she chose to kill Caylee instead of giving Cindy custody as a slap in Cindy's face. Casey IMO was jealous of the attention Caylee got. I think Caylee was used as a tool between both Cindy and Casey. Casey knew her time in the A home was coming to an end. Cindy most likely threatened to get custody of Caylee. Casey knew she would be out on the street. So she took Caylee's life as a haha mom, you can't have her now type of thing. IMO
shadydaisy
01-09-2009, 10:26 AM
Does anyone think that Casey killed Caylee because she wanted to be rid of her or was it to get back at her parents, particularly Cindy? This may have been addressed somewhere but I'm "new"; I cannot see how Casey could sit in the courtroom without crying ; she is a cold-hearted monster IMO. I just keep thinking about all the people who would have adopted that sweet, beautiful child ---the entire thing makes me so sick. This all sounds like a really bad TV movie. You just can't make this stuff up! I can't see how Casey would be cleared ; I imagine the question is death penalty or life in prison. I am so sorry that this happened and I can't understand /comprehend how such evil exists in our world. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this and I wish all of you a very happy weekend!
I think she did want to be rid of her child and responsibilities AND get back at her parents. I guess she thought everyone would buy into the Nanny took the baby story, feel sorry for her, and her life would continue on.
Does anyone find it strange that she hasn't fessed up? The Smith mom who drive her kids into the lake fessed up when faced with the fact she wasn't getting away with it because her story didn't hold up.
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 10:27 AM
Either too humiliated or had a mental breakdown. She was teetering on the edge there before the body was identified.
This could very well be the case.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 10:31 AM
It is a mystery to me LHD. I know she buried her twice in the backyard and kept her in the trunk. And went to a video store with Tony all in the same couple of days. I wonder if the 18th when she borrowed the shovel may be when she got out of the trunk IMO
I see it the othe way around - she put the body into the trunk on the 18th when it had two days of decomp. The bag or bedsheet leaked fluids and when she removed the body the fluids had already soaked into the lining of the trunk and continued to decompose.
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 10:32 AM
I think she did want to be rid of her child and responsibilities AND get back at her parents. I guess she thought everyone would buy into the Nanny took the baby story, feel sorry for her, and her life would continue on.
Does anyone find it strange that she hasn't fessed up? The Smith mom who drive her kids into the lake fessed up when faced with the fact she wasn't getting away with it because her story didn't hold up.
Casey is a sociopath. She will hold onto that lie until her death. She will never admit she killed Caylee and lied about everything. To her as long as she doesn't admit it, it isn't true. She takes everything to the extreme. Look at the whole office thing, she even went to the extent of walking down the hallway with LE. LE even said she walked with such purpose they thought they may have made a mistake. She took that lie to the point where she could no longer. Then when confronted about it she said "I USED TO have an office" Like it wasn't really a lie.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 10:44 AM
I think it was a combination of the two. I think she wanted to have a life or partying and being free. I also think she chose to kill Caylee instead of giving Cindy custody as a slap in Cindy's face. Casey IMO was jealous of the attention Caylee got. I think Caylee was used as a tool between both Cindy and Casey. Casey knew her time in the A home was coming to an end. Cindy most likely threatened to get custody of Caylee. Casey knew she would be out on the street. So she took Caylee's life as a haha mom, you can't have her now type of thing. IMO
The Liar definitely had "issues" with people loving Caylee more than they loved her. She broke up with Jesse because she thougth he loved Caylee more. It just shows that the Liar has no concept of what love is. How can you confuse love of a child with romantic love? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) The woman has no compassion for anyone but herself.
shadydaisy
01-09-2009, 10:48 AM
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Casey is a sociopath. She will hold onto that lie until her death. She will never admit she killed Caylee and lied about everything. To her as long as she doesn't admit it, it isn't true. She takes everything to the extreme. Look at the whole office thing, she even went to the extent of walking down the hallway with LE. LE even said she walked with such purpose they thought they may have made a mistake. She took that lie to the point where she could no longer. Then when confronted about it she said "I USED TO have an office" Like it wasn't really a lie.
It's the only scenario that makes any sense - if that's possible. I just can't wrap my head around a mother killing her own child and acting as if nothing unusual happened.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 11:03 AM
The anonymous donor who left 150 children's gifts at the memorial for Christmas left another 200 gifts yesterday. They are going to the Union Mission. They are beautifully wrapped and I am sure there are going to be very many children happy this weekend.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/flowers.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I am going early tomorrow morning to lay the sunflower and wildflower seeds and to take a pic of the permanent memorial so you can see it. Keep your fingers crossed that I don't get arrested for trespassing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) How ironic, I go to lay flowers and can arrested for tresspassing, the Liar goes and leaves a body and she doesn't get caught.
Gator
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 11:08 AM
The anonymous donor who left 150 children's gifts at the memorial for Christmas left another 200 gifts yesterday. They are going to the Union Mission. They are beautifully wrapped and I am sure there are going to be very many children happy this weekend.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/flowers.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I am going early tomorrow morning to lay the sunflower and wildflower seeds and to take a pic of the permanent memorial so you can see it. Keep your fingers crossed that I don't get arrested for trespassing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) How ironic, I go to lay flowers and can arrested for tresspassing, the Liar goes and leaves a body and she doesn't get caught.
Gator
Be careful!! I don't want to have to come down there and bail you out :tongue: Thanks again for doing this. I can't wait to see the pic.
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 11:11 AM
What do you all think Baez will use as defense? The nanny story won't work and they could only use the whole pp theory if Casey admits she did it. IMO the defense has nothing they can use. I think they will just try to cause reasonable doubt without telling a different theory. I bet they will just challenge everything the prosecution says. I mean what story could they possibly use?
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 11:13 AM
It's the only scenario that makes any sense - if that's possible. I just can't wrap my head around a mother killing her own child and acting as if nothing unusual happened.
I don't think any of us can understand anything about Casey. I can't wrap my head around a mother sitting in court listening to other people talk about my child's remains and not shed a tear. If that was me I would be hysterical. Casey is one callous, selfish which!!
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 11:58 AM
Casey Anthony Appears In Court
Judge Rules To Release Caylee's Remains Photos To Defense
POSTED: 6:15 am EST January 8, 2009
UPDATED: 6:40 pm EST January 8, 2009
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ORLANDO, Fla. -- The defense and the prosecution have reached a compromise regarding the more than 800 photos of Caylee Anthony’s remains.
At the beginning of the hearing the prosecution asked that Casey Anthony be brought to the courtroom to verbally confirm that she was aware of her right to attend hearings but chose to waive it.
Judge Stan Strickland agreed and Anthony was brought in well after the hearing began. It was Anthony’s first court appearance since her indictment in October.
Anthony provided clear responses to Strickland’s question but otherwise remained quiet throughout the hearing.
The defense team for Anthony requested access to photos of the crime scene where Caylee’s remains were found as well as autopsy photos, but the prosecution argued that they did not want to risk the photos being leaked to media outlets.
The prosecution said the photos of Caylee’s skull are specifically disturbing
Strickland ruled that the photos will be stored on a password-protected database, which the defense team will have access to. The plan was proposed by defense attorney Jose Baez.
Baez and his team will have to sign an affidavit swearing that the photos will not be reproduced.
Baez said that neither he nor his experts wanted the images to be sold or published.
"I have a general feeling here no matter what we do it’s going to happen," Strickland said about the publication of the photos.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18436051/detail.html
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 12:03 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/n2zi53.jpg
I swear to Lie, tell more lies
and nothing but lies, so help me god.
sharlock
01-09-2009, 12:22 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/n2zi53.jpg
I swear to Lie, tell more lies
and nothing but lies, so help me god.
:DROFL thanks for lightning the mood, night all! It is WAYYYY past my bedtime but I might still squeeze in a couple of hrs if I'm lucky.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 12:25 PM
Be careful!! I don't want to have to come down there and bail you out :tongue: Thanks again for doing this. I can't wait to see the pic.
Maybe they can put me in the cell next to the Liar. I'll get her to talk. Oh, I forgot, if you caught it in one of the video when she's talking to her parents, she didn't call them cells - she called it a dorm. Like she's in college. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 12:55 PM
Defamation lawyers can question Casey Anthony in writing, judge decides
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 9, 2009
A videotaped deposition of Casey Anthony won't happen in the near future, but lawyers representing Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez in a defamation case against Anthony can pose their questions in writing.
Orange Circuit Court Judge Jose R. Rodriguez came up with the compromise Thursday in an effort to balance Fernandez-Gonzalez's civil-court efforts to clear her name and Anthony's rights in the criminal process.
Anthony, 22, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter Caylee Marie. The toddler's remains were found Dec. 11 a short walk from the Hopespring Drive home she shared with her mother and grandparents.
In July, Anthony told investigators that a month earlier she had left the toddler with a baby sitter named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, and when she returned later that day both were gone.
Authorities tracked down and questioned 37-year-old Fernandez-Gonzalez, who told them she didn't know Anthony or her child.
Fernandez-Gonzalez's attorneys wanted to ask Anthony questions in a deposition Monday at the Orange County Jail. But Anthony's legal team moved to stop the meeting, saying she would assert her Fifth Amendment right to refuse questions under oath. They feared her answers in the civil case could be used against her in her criminal case.
Keith Mitnik, one of Fernandez-Gonzalez's attorneys, said he was pleased with the judge's decision. He plans to have the written questions ready by the end of the week. The judge ruled that Anthony has 30 days to answer. The first questions will be: Is his client the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez whom Anthony described to authorities? And what did she tell them?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/friday/localandstate/orl-caseyside0909jan09,0,7477720.story
javahog
01-09-2009, 12:58 PM
He was pretty sure of this Gator and the reason he was so specific is because he was a bit overwhelmed by Casey's response; istead of just saying she got a nanny she went into abundant detail telling him Zanny's name and all about how she found her etc. etc. and he thought it was strange.
In addition to her lips being in motion, this is the other way you can spot her lies: WAY too much detail.
javahog
01-09-2009, 01:04 PM
Maybe they can put me in the cell next to the Liar. I'll get her to talk. Oh, I forgot, if you caught it in one of the video when she's talking to her parents, she didn't call them cells - she called it a dorm. Like she's in college. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
Considering her access to the dorm snack bar, you guys should really reform your jail system down there. I mean, for me to get skittles, I have to haul my but off the couch, bundle up the kids, and walk down to the gas station. SHE just has to put in a request.
That caps it. Casey Anthony has more skittle access than I do! :no:
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:09 PM
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
Thank God for these experts!
Haven't finished catching up, but does anyone find it ironic that Baez was in court yesterday with all his motions to compel, and as far as we know hasn't offered up one bit of evidence to support The Other Half of the Story? When's he going to turn over his discovery to the prosecution?
javahog
01-09-2009, 01:09 PM
Defamation lawyers can question Casey Anthony in writing, judge decides
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 9, 2009
A videotaped deposition of Casey Anthony won't happen in the near future, but lawyers representing Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez in a defamation case against Anthony can pose their questions in writing.
Orange Circuit Court Judge Jose R. Rodriguez came up with the compromise Thursday in an effort to balance Fernandez-Gonzalez's civil-court efforts to clear her name and Anthony's rights in the criminal process.
Anthony, 22, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter Caylee Marie. The toddler's remains were found Dec. 11 a short walk from the Hopespring Drive home she shared with her mother and grandparents.
In July, Anthony told investigators that a month earlier she had left the toddler with a baby sitter named Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, and when she returned later that day both were gone.
Authorities tracked down and questioned 37-year-old Fernandez-Gonzalez, who told them she didn't know Anthony or her child.
Fernandez-Gonzalez's attorneys wanted to ask Anthony questions in a deposition Monday at the Orange County Jail. But Anthony's legal team moved to stop the meeting, saying she would assert her Fifth Amendment right to refuse questions under oath. They feared her answers in the civil case could be used against her in her criminal case.
Keith Mitnik, one of Fernandez-Gonzalez's attorneys, said he was pleased with the judge's decision. He plans to have the written questions ready by the end of the week. The judge ruled that Anthony has 30 days to answer. The first questions will be: Is his client the Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez whom Anthony described to authorities? And what did she tell them?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/friday/localandstate/orl-caseyside0909jan09,0,7477720.story
Can't she still just take the 5th? I don't see the diff between videotaping it and in writing...
If you have seen the lawsuit, does it list any "unnamed" John Does in addition to Casey as defendants?
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:12 PM
Good morning everyone :seeya: I wasn't able to watch NG last night because my t.v. which is only 3 years old went out. The color is all messed up. Hubby was asleep in the bedroom so I didn't want to disturb him.
Anyway I'm going to go back and read all of your posts and check out all of the links now. Hope everyone is staying warm today.
a&o, one of these days your hubby will be older, and maybe even slightly (or a whole lot) deaf, and you can watch TV and laugh like a hyena, and he'll just keep snoring away! (You can even swear under your breath and he'll never know.) :hat:
javahog
01-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Thank God for these experts!
Haven't finished catching up, but does anyone find it ironic that Baez was in court yesterday with all his motions to compel, and as far as we know hasn't offered up one bit of evidence to support The Other Half of the Story? When's he going to turn over his discovery to the prosecution?
Yeah, experts can clean up after a lot of LE messes.
And, Baez act in a timely manner? ;) He's waiting for new tips at that tip line of his. The real story is coming any moment now! bet your patootie!
sorry you're sick!
Woostock
01-09-2009, 01:18 PM
Applesandoranges
You are probably right in your response as to why Casey did this. She had been lying and stealing and heaven knows what else. Maybe Cindy was at the point where she had enough and threatened taking Caylee. The time to show who was the boss was when Casey was younger and apparently she just did as she pleased..the consequences of taking the path of least resistance. and I would bet Cindy and George are looking back now and realizing what a mistake they made. AS a teacher I see a lot of parents ignoring bad behavior but this is the extreme.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:20 PM
The anonymous donor who left 150 children's gifts at the memorial for Christmas left another 200 gifts yesterday. They are going to the Union Mission. They are beautifully wrapped and I am sure there are going to be very many children happy this weekend.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/flowers.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I am going early tomorrow morning to lay the sunflower and wildflower seeds and to take a pic of the permanent memorial so you can see it. Keep your fingers crossed that I don't get arrested for trespassing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) How ironic, I go to lay flowers and can arrested for tresspassing, the Liar goes and leaves a body and she doesn't get caught.
Gator
Be careful!
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:23 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/n2zi53.jpg
I swear to Lie, tell more lies
and nothing but lies, so help me god.
HAHAHAHAHA And smirk while lying!
joekuhl79
01-09-2009, 01:29 PM
http://i43.tinypic.com/n2zi53.jpg
I swear to Lie, tell more lies
and nothing but lies, so help me god.
Judge: "How many in this room have killed their kids? Raise your hands."
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 01:33 PM
Judge: "How many in this room have killed their kids? Raise your hands."
LOL - another good caption! :beer:
joekuhl79
01-09-2009, 01:35 PM
Can't she still just take the 5th? I don't see the diff between videotaping it and in writing...
If you have seen the lawsuit, does it list any "unnamed" John Does in addition to Casey as defendants?
I think 'videotaping' a deposition, she gets sworn in and she has to answer questions posed by the attorney.
In writing, they send her a list of questions. With that, she gets to think about how to answer, and can have Jose BS help her answer the questions 'right'.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:39 PM
Can't she still just take the 5th? I don't see the diff between videotaping it and in writing...
If you have seen the lawsuit, does it list any "unnamed" John Does in addition to Casey as defendants?
The problem with her taking the fifth is the "sword and the shield" issue (didn't know that it actually has a name). If she shields herself with the 5th amendment, she cannot go ahead with her countersuit. And she has the benefit of Baez being able to assist her in formulating her answers.
javahog
01-09-2009, 01:46 PM
Judge: "How many in this room have killed their kids? Raise your hands."
okay, a roflmao for you!
javahog
01-09-2009, 01:49 PM
The problem with her taking the fifth is the "sword and the shield" issue (didn't know that it actually has a name). If she shields herself with the 5th amendment, she cannot go ahead with her countersuit. And she has the benefit of Baez being able to assist her in formulating her answers.
Is it still admissible in the big case? Because I'm sure SA would love to hear more, and I have little doubt Casey can always say more.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 01:58 PM
Yeah, experts can clean up after a lot of LE messes.
And, Baez act in a timely manner? ;) He's waiting for new tips at that tip line of his. The real story is coming any moment now! bet your patootie!
sorry you're sick!
Where are my manners? Thanks for the well wishes; still kicking, but not high! :seeya:
shadydaisy
01-09-2009, 02:12 PM
The anonymous donor who left 150 children's gifts at the memorial for Christmas left another 200 gifts yesterday. They are going to the Union Mission. They are beautifully wrapped and I am sure there are going to be very many children happy this weekend.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/flowers.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I am going early tomorrow morning to lay the sunflower and wildflower seeds and to take a pic of the permanent memorial so you can see it. Keep your fingers crossed that I don't get arrested for trespassing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) How ironic, I go to lay flowers and can arrested for tresspassing, the Liar goes and leaves a body and she doesn't get caught.
Gator
I'd be more than happy to leave the snow, go to FL, and bail you out. I'm jealous that you can plant seeds now. All I can do is look at the Burpee catalog and dream. I hope the seeds thrive!
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 02:13 PM
# State's Motion to Stay Order Disposing of Emergency Motion to Compel Photographs and X-Rays
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/State%27s%20Motion%20to%20Stay%20Order%20Disposing %20of%20Emergency%20Motion%20to%20Compel%20Photogr aphs%20and%20X-Rays.pdf
# Motion to Compel Unedited 911 Calls Made by Roy Kronk and Any Reports Related to Calls
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Unedited%20911%20Calls%20Ma de%20by%20Roy%20Kronk%20and%20Any%20Reports%20Rela ted%20to%20Calls.pdf
# Motion to Compel any and all Polygraphs Which the Defense Has Previously Requested and Been Awarded
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20any%20and%20all%20Polygraph s%20Which%20the%20Defense%20Has%20Previously%20Req uested%20and%20Been%20Awarded.pdf
# Motion to Compel DNA Reports for George, Cindy and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20DNA%20Reports%20for%20Georg e,%20Cindy%20and%20Lee%20Anthony.pdf
# Demand for Discovery and Inspection Relating to Digital Forensic Evidence Obtained From Ricardo Morales
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Demand%20for%20Discovery%20and%20Inspection%20Rela ting%20to%20Digital%20Forensic%20Evidence%20Obtain ed%20From%20Ricardo%20Morales.pdf
# Motion to Produce Hair for Inspection and Testing and All Related Notes and Reports
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Produce%20Hair%20for%20Inspection%20 and%20Testing%20and%20All%20Related%20Notes%20and% 20Reports.pdf
# Motion to Compel Fingerprint Report for George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Fingerprint%20Report%20for% 20George,%20Cindy,%20and%20Lee%20Anthony.pdf
# Motion to Compel Investigative Reports on Zenaida Gonzalez
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Investigative%20Reports%20o n%20Zenaida%20Gonzalez.pdf
# Motion to Compel Maps, Photos and Reports of all Locations Searched by Law Enforcement for Caylee Marie Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Maps,%20Photos%20and%20Repo rts%20of%20all%20Locations%20Searched%20by%20Law%2 0Enforcement%20for%20Caylee%20Marie%20Anthony.pdf
# Motion to Compel Release of Investigative Interviews of George, Cindy, and Lee Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Release%20of%20Investigativ e%20Interviews%20of%20George,%20Cindy,%20and%20Lee %20Anthony.pdf
# Motion to Compel Release of Video Visitations of George and Cindy Anthony on August 14, 2008
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Release%20of%20Video%20Visi tations%20of%20George%20and%20Cindy%20Anthony%20on %20August%2014,%202008.pdf
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.html
updating to add additional motions....
Motion to Compel Search Warrant Affidavits for December 11, 2008 and December 20, 2008 Searches Including Inventory of Items Seized and Warrants
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Search%20Warrant%20Affidavi ts%20for%20December%2011,%202008%20and%20December% 2020,%202008%20Searches%20Including%20Inventory%20 of%20Items%20Seized%20and%20Warrants.pdf
Motion to Compel Timeline, Communications and Related Notes of Law Enforcement's Interviw with Anthony Lazzaro
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Timeline,%20Communicatinos% 20and%20Related%20Notes%20of%20Law%20Enforcement's %20Interview%20with%20Anthony%20Lazzaro.pdf
Motion to Compel Unedited Telephone Calls Made by Roy Kronk to Crimeline and Any Reports Related to Calls
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Compel%20Unedited%20Telephone%20Call s%20Made%20by%20Roy%20Kronk%20to%20Crimeline%20and %20Any%20Reports%20Related%20to%20Calls.pdf
Motion to Inspect Photographic Evidence and All Items Seized at Crime Scene
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Inspect%20Photographic%20Evidence%20 and%20All%20Items%20Seized%20at%20Crime%20Scene.pd f
Motion to Produce Crime Scene Reports on Car Including Photos
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Motion%20to%20Produce%20Crime%20Scene%20Reports%20 on%20Car%20Including%20Photos.pdf
Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Application%20for%20Subpoena%20Duces%20Tecum.pdf
Previous Story: Tip Line Set Up For Information On Caylee's Death
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/5/caylee_tipline_set_up_for_information_on_toddler39 s_death.html
Announcement Of Caylee's Death
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/12/19/dr._jan_garavaglia39s_statement_dec._19_2008.html
Photo Gallery of the Case
http://www.cfnews13.com/Features/Caylee/Pictures/Default.aspx
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Wow, mu8shark, interesting stuff!
I believe post-partum depression is about a year or less, but am not qualified to answer...HOWEVER, when Casey tells her parents in one of the jail visit videos that she was 'desperate' about needing the money she stole (maybe an abortion??) and was hysterical at the no-clothes party because she ran into "Brandon, another ex" who she said she had a miscarriage from his child (maybe the same abortion)...hmmn...could be hormones in play from that pregnancy, if it did exist at all – or just speculation!
Or maybe she just told Brandon she was pregnant in order to get money out of him for an unneeded abortion?? She's such a liar I wouldn't put anything past her.
javahog
01-09-2009, 02:26 PM
The anonymous donor who left 150 children's gifts at the memorial for Christmas left another 200 gifts yesterday. They are going to the Union Mission. They are beautifully wrapped and I am sure there are going to be very many children happy this weekend.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/flowers.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) I am going early tomorrow morning to lay the sunflower and wildflower seeds and to take a pic of the permanent memorial so you can see it. Keep your fingers crossed that I don't get arrested for trespassing. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-whacky025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) How ironic, I go to lay flowers and can arrested for tresspassing, the Liar goes and leaves a body and she doesn't get caught.
Gator
Wow, what a nice person! I wonder if they lost a child?
As for your plan...er, there doesn't happen to be a live webcam, does there? It could brighten my day!
Be swift, Gatordog! :chicken:
javahog
01-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Bye for now, guys. I've gotta get away from the evil for a while. I don't know how prosecutors stay sane...I'll check tonight for new news. I hope there's a document dump since its end of the week
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 02:38 PM
No he could not afford to find her himself. It would implicate his sister and also give LE lots and lots of questions about him. I like the same theory you like Loretta. Lee dropped clues to somebody.
So now I am wondering, Did Lee place the body there or did Casey tell him SHE placed the body there? He has been so evasive seems like he has to be involved some way.
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 02:43 PM
snipped fore length.. Also sigh , someone on the panel today at headline news said that in some of Casey Anthonys defense interviews someone is pushing the theory that Casey had post partum depression and this may have caused her to snap. Can I just ask a question out of total ignorance? Is Post Partum depression so severe after 3 years of giving birth that it would cause a psychosis and she would not show any other symptoms up to the moment of murder? Maybe I am just dumb, but I always thought it was much sooner than that and more noticeable in other areas of her life. If they try this, I don't see a jury buying that at all.
I agree - found this on PP and Casey certainly wasn't experiencing these symptoms 3 years later (proof is in the party pictures!)
Postpartum Depression Overview
You've just had a baby, one of the most important and happiest events in your life. "What could make a woman happier than a new baby?" you wonder. So why are you so sad?
We don't know for sure, but you are not alone. As many as 80% of women experience some mood disturbances after pregnancy ("postpartum"). They feel upset, alone, afraid, or unloving toward their baby, and guilt for having these feelings.
For most women, the symptoms are mild and go away on their own. But 10-20% of women develop a more disabling form of mood disorder called postpartum depression.
The "baby blues" are a passing state of heightened emotions that occurs in about half of women who have recently given birth.
This state peaks 3-5 days after delivery and lasts from several days to 2 weeks.
A woman with the blues may cry more easily than usual and may have trouble sleeping or feel irritable, sad, and "on edge" emotionally.
Because baby blues are so common and expected, they are not considered an illness.
Postpartum blues do not interfere with a woman's ability to care for her baby.
The tendency to develop postpartum blues is unrelated to a previous mental illness and is not caused by stress. However, stress and a history of depression may influence whether the blues go on to become major depression.
Postpartum depression is depression that occurs soon after having a baby. Some health professionals call it postpartum nonpsychotic depression.
This condition occurs in about 10-20% of women, usually within a few months of delivery.
Risk factors include previous major depression, psychosocial stress, inadequate social support, and previous premenstrual dysphoric disorder (see premenstrual syndrome for more information).
Symptoms include depressed mood, tearfulness, inability to enjoy pleasurable activities, trouble sleeping, fatigue, appetite problems, suicidal thoughts, feelings of inadequacy as a parent, and impaired concentration.
If you experience postpartum depression, you may worry about the baby's health and well-being. You may have negative thoughts about the baby and fears about harming the infant (although women who have these thoughts rarely act on them).
Postpartum depression interferes with a woman's ability to care for her baby.
When a woman with severe postpartum depression becomes suicidal, she may consider killing her infant and young children, not from anger, but from a desire not to abandon them.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/postpartum_depression/article_em.htm#Postpartum%20Depression%20Overview
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 02:45 PM
AAAAAHAHA I just realized that I am using Perry Mason as a standard. Oh well, Baez could do worse. :hat:
Well, I don't really think that Bozo Baez will be able to clear his client at the last second like Perry Mason does.
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 02:53 PM
NANCY GRACE
Court Hearing on Caylee Autopsy Photos
Aired January 8, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/08/ng.01.html
I don't think we can actually assume anything because G & C & Lee were not in court yesterday. After all, Casey was not expected to be there. She had waived her right to appear. She was also brought to court 35 minutes after the judge said he wanted her there. So maybe they didn't have enough notice after learning she would be there.
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 02:58 PM
Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee
Experts Establish June Time Frame Of Death
POSTED: Friday, January 9, 2009
UPDATED: 2:09 pm EST January 9, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources close to the Casey Anthony case told Local 6 News on Thursday that they have overwhelming evidence showing that she intentionally killed her young daughter, Caylee, and was solely responsible for the toddler's death.
Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death. Caylee was 2 years old when she was reported missing in mid-July, a month after she had last been seen. Human remains discovered last month in a wooded area near Caylee's grandparents' home were identified as the missing girl.
Sources also said investigators have now established a time frame of death that dates back to June, according to reports returned by forensic botanists and entomologists brought in to anaylize the terrain and insect growth where Caylee's remains were found. Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.
Orange County sheriff's detectives believe Anthony took actions that led to her daughter's death June 16, which corresponds to the June time frame of death, Local 6 News reported.
Investigators believe Anthony dumped Caylee's body around June 18 in the wooded area where the remains were found, sources said.
According to test results conducted on the trunk of Anthony's car by the Oakridge National Laboratory, the girl's body spent at least two days there before it was dumped, sources said.
A hair which showed signs of decomposition was also found in the trunk. Sources said the hair matches hair taken from Caylee's remains.
Sources said the time frame coupled with other evidence -- duct tape found over the mouth of Caylee's skull, high levels of chloroform detected in the trunk and cell phone pings from Anthony's phone that place her near the crime scene in mid-June -- points only to Anthony as the killer.
Sources said although a cause of Caylee's death may never be known, Anthony will be convicted based on extrememly strong evidence.
Investigators who initially thought that Caylee's death could have been an accident have changed their minds, sources said.
Anthony on Thursday was required by a judge to attend a hearing that centered around autopsy photos of Caylee. It was the first time Anthony had been seen in months.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 02:59 PM
Judge: "How many in this room have killed their kids? Raise your hands."
Excellent! :D
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 03:01 PM
I'd be more than happy to leave the snow, go to FL, and bail you out. I'm jealous that you can plant seeds now. All I can do is look at the Burpee catalog and dream. I hope the seeds thrive!
It's going to rain on Sunday so Saturday is the perfect opportunity.
A lot of people are speculating that it was George who did the searches and they pointed to the fact that most of the ones that can be proven to be Caseys were done through Firefox and these ones were done through google which was what George used so I do think they will ahve great difficulty proving it (although I admit I haven't gone back and looked at all the comp stuff to check if this was true.)
I would think that, just as important as what browser was used would be what other activity was being generated on the computer @ the time. Email. IM.
I have internet explorer and firefox. I admit I use Firefox the most, but in the same session, I will use internet explorer for some things. And the box @ the top has a Google box on both IE and FF. So, I think the other activity will be the telling.
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 03:04 PM
Well, I don't really think that Bozo Baez will be able to clear his client at the last second like Perry Mason does.
And...Perry could never do it without Della!
Gator
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 03:05 PM
I do. I THINK it was in response to the question had he ever heard the name Zanny. Or, it could have been him just telling about the relationship, his family being Caylee's babysitters for some time, and how and why he told Casey it had to stop. But, he definitely said that, when he told her they could no longer be the babysitters, she said she had just that day hired a nanny named Zanny. Don't recall if she said nanny @ the time, or babysitter, but definitely he said she said Zanny.
Can someone please refresh my memory? I believe IIRC that Casey lost her job in April 2006. When did Richard Grund nad family quit babysitting for her? Could these two incidents be related?:confused::shrug:
lighthousedazy
01-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Sources: Casey Anthony Intentionally Killed Caylee
Experts Establish June Time Frame Of Death
POSTED: Friday, January 9, 2009
UPDATED: 2:09 pm EST January 9, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Sources close to the Casey Anthony case told Local 6 News on Thursday that they have overwhelming evidence showing that she intentionally killed her young daughter, Caylee, and was solely responsible for the toddler's death.
Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's death. Caylee was 2 years old when she was reported missing in mid-July, a month after she had last been seen. Human remains discovered last month in a wooded area near Caylee's grandparents' home were identified as the missing girl.
Sources also said investigators have now established a time frame of death that dates back to June, according to reports returned by forensic botanists and entomologists brought in to anaylize the terrain and insect growth where Caylee's remains were found. Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.
Orange County sheriff's detectives believe Anthony took actions that led to her daughter's death June 16, which corresponds to the June time frame of death, Local 6 News reported.
Investigators believe Anthony dumped Caylee's body around June 18 in the wooded area where the remains were found, sources said.
According to test results conducted on the trunk of Anthony's car by the Oakridge National Laboratory, the girl's body spent at least two days there before it was dumped, sources said.
A hair which showed signs of decomposition was also found in the trunk. Sources said the hair matches hair taken from Caylee's remains.
Sources said the time frame coupled with other evidence -- duct tape found over the mouth of Caylee's skull, high levels of chloroform detected in the trunk and cell phone pings from Anthony's phone that place her near the crime scene in mid-June -- points only to Anthony as the killer.
Sources said although a cause of Caylee's death may never be known, Anthony will be convicted based on extrememly strong evidence.
Investigators who initially thought that Caylee's death could have been an accident have changed their minds, sources said.
Anthony on Thursday was required by a judge to attend a hearing that centered around autopsy photos of Caylee. It was the first time Anthony had been seen in months.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.htmlThanks for the update, One2. I have always felt that caysee killed Caylee intentionally. This article does lead me to believe that LE and the prosecutors have much more evidence than we know about, (hopefully). jmo
Gatordog
01-09-2009, 03:18 PM
I don't think we can actually assume anything because G & C & Lee were not in court yesterday. After all, Casey was not expected to be there. She had waived her right to appear. She was also brought to court 35 minutes after the judge said he wanted her there. So maybe they didn't have enough notice after learning she would be there.
Anthony house to courthouse is about 25 minutes. If it was important to me, I'd have made it there and media or no media, they wouldn't stop me. If it was someone I cared about, I'd make it through the flood of camera and microphones.
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 03:22 PM
Maybe they gave her some Xnax.. Zanny the Nanny watches over murderous mothers too maybe?
Good thought but I think you are being too kind. I still think it's that she's a callous, selfish witch!!:beer:
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 03:24 PM
Maybe they can put me in the cell next to the Liar. I'll get her to talk. Oh, I forgot, if you caught it in one of the video when she's talking to her parents, she didn't call them cells - she called it a dorm. Like she's in college. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
She said dorm?! OMG!! LMAO!!! That's probably what she thinks in her own head. That's her fantasy land. That's what she plans on telling everyone when she gets out of there. She was in college. Puhleese :hat:
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 03:31 PM
a&o, one of these days your hubby will be older, and maybe even slightly (or a whole lot) deaf, and you can watch TV and laugh like a hyena, and he'll just keep snoring away! (You can even swear under your breath and he'll never know.) :hat:
LMAO!!! Funny thing is he is deaf when it comes to me wanting him to help with something but when it's my t.v. programs......forget it!! He hears everything :hat:
slynn14
01-09-2009, 03:46 PM
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Casey is a sociopath. She will hold onto that lie until her death. She will never admit she killed Caylee and lied about everything. To her as long as she doesn't admit it, it isn't true. She takes everything to the extreme. Look at the whole office thing, she even went to the extent of walking down the hallway with LE. LE even said she walked with such purpose they thought they may have made a mistake. She took that lie to the point where she could no longer. Then when confronted about it she said "I USED TO have an office" Like it wasn't really a lie.
I agree, I also thought Casey is a pathological liar (heard this on Nancy Grace).
What I am still grasping at is the 31 day wait period for her to contact police.
Is this the time where something went wrong, or where she was fulfilled her plan in killing her daughter?
I don't know if the prosecution has enough to give her the death penalty, they need enough evidence to determine it was intentional/pre-meditated.
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 03:46 PM
:beer: Can't agree with you more. The liar is going to spend the rest of her life in prison. Just a side note, does anyone else wonder if she was having a little tryst with her lawyer. She was spending a lot of time at his office, days and days, when she was out of prison, why was that needed?:chicken:
I would not be at all suprised. She seems to have had sex with every man sge comes in contact with. However, that would be very unprofessional on his part and I would like to think he has more sense than that. I think a lot of it was to get away from the circus at the house and away from George and Cindy. Even yesyerday tho, that smile she gave him was awfully flirtatious. Of course, their little romance may be all in Casey's mind. Geraldo did say he had a gorgeous wife, but of course that doesn't stop a lot of men.
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 03:57 PM
I agree, I also thought Casey is a pathological liar (heard this on Nancy Grace).
What I am still grasping at is the 31 day wait period for her to contact police.
Is this the time where something went wrong, or where she was fulfilled her plan in killing her daughter?
I don't know if the prosecution has enough to give her the death penalty, they need enough evidence to determine it was intentional/pre-meditated.
The 31 day wait was Casey just avoiding everyone. Caylee died the same day Casey took her out of the house which was Jun 16. The only reason LE even got called after 31 days was because CINDY called. Casey was never going to report Caylee missing. If G&C hadn't gotten that letter that the car was impounded they wouldn't have known anything was wrong and Casey could still be tricking her parents into believing everything was okay.
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 03:58 PM
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
All of this makes me feel so much better. I am always so afraid that somehow the defense will somehow create reasonable doubt and she will get off or at least hang a jury.
Next question, how did the composition smells get in the back yard if the body was dumped so quickly?
One2Snoop
01-09-2009, 03:59 PM
Can someone please refresh my memory? I believe IIRC that Casey lost her job in April 2006. When did Richard Grund nad family quit babysitting for her? Could these two incidents be related?:confused::shrug:
Here is the Greta transcript where she interviewed Jesse and Richard Grund. They talk about the relationship/break-up/paternity/employment, etc... The only thing it didn't mention was how long they babysat but for some reason 3 months sticks in my mind - just guessing on that though.
Casey Anthony's Ex-Fiance: 'She's Not the Casey I Knew'
Tuesday, December 23, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,471424,00.html
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 04:02 PM
Applesandoranges
You are probably right in your response as to why Casey did this. She had been lying and stealing and heaven knows what else. Maybe Cindy was at the point where she had enough and threatened taking Caylee. The time to show who was the boss was when Casey was younger and apparently she just did as she pleased..the consequences of taking the path of least resistance. and I would bet Cindy and George are looking back now and realizing what a mistake they made. AS a teacher I see a lot of parents ignoring bad behavior but this is the extreme.
I bet being a teacher you see a lot of issues. How you are able to deal with these children in the classroom is beyond me. Bless you and all the teachers out there. You all have much more patience than I do. You all deserve so much more than you get. You not only shape our children's brain but in so many ways you shape their lives. Thank you all. :rose:
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 04:08 PM
All of this makes me feel so much better. I am always so afraid that somehow the defense will somehow create reasonable doubt and she will get off or at least hang a jury.
Next question, how did the composition smells get in the back yard if the body was dumped so quickly?
I'm wondering if LE isn't wrong on the 18 date. I wonder if Casey didn't have Caylee in the trunk until the 18th and then put her in the backyard before placing her in the location she was found in. OR she may have had her in the back yard until the 18th and then placed her in the trunk for 3 days before dumping her. OR she could have had her in the trunk, the back yard for a short time (less than a day) etc. I know from what the Oakridge place said the body had to have been in the trunk at least 3 days. I wonder if plant growth can be so accurate that it doesn't leave a 2-3 day leway. The body was in the backyard at some point. I hope LE isn't forgetting to include this. Although maybe LE knows more than all of us and they know Caylee was killed at the A house and that's why the smell was in the backyard.
Justice Denied?
01-09-2009, 04:14 PM
I see it the othe way around - she put the body into the trunk on the 18th when it had two days of decomp. The bag or bedsheet leaked fluids and when she removed the body the fluids had already soaked into the lining of the trunk and continued to decompose.
Now that makes sense to me. As usual I was looking at it azz backwards. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/moon.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
All of this makes me feel so much better. I am always so afraid that somehow the defense will somehow create reasonable doubt and she will get off or at least hang a jury.
Next question, how did the composition smells get in the back yard if the body was dumped so quickly?
It's possible that she killed Caylee on the 16th, drove around with her for two days, and then laid her out on the ground (after borrowing the shovel) on the 18th thinking she could bury her. She dug a couple of places and when she found that to be too strenuous, she loaded Caylee back into the trunk and took her over by The Zone.
(Guess I need to go back and look at the timeline and phone calls.)
As sad as it is the circumstances that the forensics team used to narrow this down, I am so thankful to their scientific know-how. Caylee is telling us what happened through them. RIP
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Oh I have to vent about Janie Weintrab again on Jane Velez last night,she keeps saying over and over that LE is no longer supposed to be investigating, that the trial is coming up in March and since a trial date is set , they are not supposed to be investigating and she was ranting about this one week after they found the body. Now she said she was once a prosecutor. You can't tell me that if she was prosecuting this case she would tell LE after they found a major, major element of the crime , THE BODY, and a major part of the crime scene she would tell LE, "Oh no more investigating, not relevant, that body,how it got there, who else knew about it, , anything that ties it to the Anthony home, quit looking , time is up! Not interested" If she was a former prosecutor she knows better than this! She is just being absurd about this. And she does it everytime they call on her her notions! First of all the case is not going forward in March, any dunce of a lawyer knows this, there is not a time limit on any murder charge and if the prosecution wanted more time to investigate after they discovered the major evidence that they did, they could ask for a continuance. ANd would probably get it. I am so sick and tired of hearing her say "They are not supposed to be investigating after they charged her already. " She is misleading people and acting like an idiot. She surely knows if she were in the prosecutors shoes she would be going a major investigation to the additional evidence they found. Man I feel better
You go mu8shark. I can feel completely empathic with you IMO
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 05:09 PM
The Liar was sworn in to tell the truth, the whole truth. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Gator
LOve it Gator. IMO sara
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
A hair which showed signs of decomposition was also found in the trunk. Sources said the hair matches hair taken from Caylee's remains
Wow! This is great. I don't know why I hadn't thought of them testing the hair in the trunk to the hair at the crime scene. Now how in the world is she going to explain that away? I'm sure Bozo is trying everthing he can to distance the Liar from that car. She is toast!
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 05:21 PM
It is a great, informative article. As much as I don't like the thought of her laying there for so long, I am glad that they can use this information to pin down the time of death and I hope they can tie this all together and convict Casey.
I have never seen a case where nothing flows and pulls together eventually like this one. The cast of characters is bizarre. Everyone linked to Casey, including her lawyer, all behave strangely. I am hopeful that LE has info we are not privy to, maybe from Amy/Tony/other neighbors, that really nails Casey.
Cindy has been too quiet. Wonder what that's all about.
she is probably grieving like heck. She basically raised Caylee as her own.
there are a lot of cases similar to this one shadydaisy and a lot on this board if you care to roam. let me know if you need help. IMO
applesandorange
01-09-2009, 05:22 PM
LOve it Gator. IMO sara
Sara!! I finally caught you on here!! YAY!! I'm sorry to hear that you and some others are sick. I hope you feel better soon.
lorettalockhorn
01-09-2009, 05:23 PM
I would think that, just as important as what browser was used would be what other activity was being generated on the computer @ the time. Email. IM.
I have internet explorer and firefox. I admit I use Firefox the most, but in the same session, I will use internet explorer for some things. And the box @ the top has a Google box on both IE and FF. So, I think the other activity will be the telling.
ITA about whatever else the computer was being used for during that time. I use Firefox for the three sites that I go to dozens of times a day every day, but I use IE to do all my searches, so I always have both open. Gosh, if Casey had the details worked out, she might even know to use George's favorite browser or search engine to make it look like it was him performing the searches. It strikes me as almost laughable that George would google shovels.
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 05:38 PM
Ok - the botonists have determined that Caylee was killed on June 16 and her body was deposited on the site on or about June 18. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad044.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org) Plants were growing through the bones and they are able to determine their age.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html
Gator
thanks makes sense Gator. I bet she was in the sandbox and playhouse from the 16th to the 18th and then moved on the 18th when she borrowed the shovel from the neighbor. IMO
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 05:40 PM
Sara!! I finally caught you on here!! YAY!! I'm sorry to hear that you and some others are sick. I hope you feel better soon.
thanks a&o. I am starting to feel better and may eat tonight. We are just a little weak. Do a small amount of housekeeping each day and that is it. It is good to be back posting with you. sara
SaraSidle
01-09-2009, 06:40 PM
Sometimes my imagination runs wild and I picture her actually getting away with this! You're right, of course, it's going to take a lot to let her walk. There wasn't nearly as much evidence in the SP trial and he went to death row -- I have faith!
I hope you do write to JVM about JW! She should have never been able to let that ridiculous assertion go unchallenged. Talk about pulling things out of your butt!
I sometimes have your fears tvdinner. I am still afraid of reasonable doubt even thought mu8shark tries to reassure me. I mean weren't we sure about OJ and look what happened. glad to know I am not the only one. IMO sara
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