Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[SaraSidle]

Oh gawd she soooo would. Can she???? please tell me there is something on the books??? has anyone heard of this?? I remember the cheezy rags having photos of people laid to rest but i dont recall photos of remains??? Anyone??

Only remains I have see were Black Dahlia. I mean Caylee was just bones so why would we even care. Isn't it enough she is found and can be put to rest?????????? IMO

[Justice Denied?]

Okay more theory from my cousin and I chatting. The sheriff said that there was something at the crime scene that led them in the first hour to the Anthony house. And I know people on here theorized that it could be the duct tape or the trash bags, but what if it is something a bit more specific or something that would right away lead them there, like linen, like a pillow case or sheet.? As obvious as it sounds people do wrap loved ones in stuff like that when they kill them. What if LE is sitting on that little gem? Also I can't help but think about Cindy suggesting that Zanny had a key. Did Cindy know something was missing from the house in the way of bed linens? And wonder where it was? If Cindy or George did not reveal this in the interviews they might be afraid they will be in trouble, ie obstruction of justice and maybe that among other things is the reason they are asking for immunity. I am just saying it sounds like they saw something right away that could be linked to the house and we know it was not their duct tape according to reports. It would be great if they found some kind of bedding. Just a thought.

I was hoping it might be the sheet off Caylee's bed. I noticed in pictures that Caylee had a Winnie the Pooh bedspread. If it is like my granddaughter's it is a "bed in a bag". The sheets, pillow case and bed spread all match. If the sheet from a matched set is found in the bag, forget it.

Finally found a good picture of Casey!!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char048.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[javahog]

I went to the burial site after work. I made the turn off of Chickasaw and it is about 1/15 of a mile from Chickasaw to Hopespring. From chickasaw to the first memorial is about 1/10th of a mile. Chickasaw to the burial site is about 1/8 of a mile. Chickasaw to the end of Suburban is is between .35 and .4 of a mile. The zone is about 2/10ths of a mile past the burial site. The school grounds started at about .3 of a mile from Chickasaw.

The memorial that is by the burial site is very large and beautiful. I will go and take a picture to show you. The end of surburban is a dead end so I turned around and when I passed the memorial there were two cars stopped there.

I had an idea as I looked at the site. It's barren of any plant life except for a few standing palmettos without any palm fronds. I have a packet of sunflower seeds for flower growth at my desk that someone had given me.. I'm going to toss those seeds at the site and, God willing, sunflowers will grow this spring where Caylee was left.

Gator

That's so sweet! I bet she'd love sunflowers.

[SaraSidle]

Did one of the tabloid get hold of the coroner pictures of JonBenet Ramsey?

Oh yeah Gator I have seen those too. very sad and no reason to have them posted IMO

[One2Snoop]

Yeah, I think it was stated that Caylee was wrapped in something, but don't know if it was ever specified exactly what. Seems like when TES was searching way back when, they were looking for a rug. At any rate, after the final warrant was served, I've read that Caylee's room was pretty much stripped bare.

Found this article but it doesn't state specifics other than the clothing/hair/tooth.

Clothing Also Found In Bag With Child's Remains
FBI Analyzing Tooth, Hair Found At Crime Scene

POSTED: 12:13 pm EST December 17, 2008
UPDATED: 6:30 pm EST December 17, 2008

http://www.wesh.com/news/18299352/detail.html

[deputydi]

<snip>I had an idea as I looked at the site. It's barren of any plant life except for a few standing palmettos without any palm fronds. I have a packet of sunflower seeds for flower growth at my desk that someone had given me.. I'm going to toss those seeds at the site and, God willing, sunflowers will grow this spring where Caylee was left.

Gator

What a sweet thought. Please let us know if the flowers bloom there in the spring.

[javahog]

Did one of the tabloid get hold of the coroner pictures of JonBenet Ramsey?

I remember seeing them, but online.

[deputydi]

<snip>Finally found a good picture of Casey!!! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char048.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Perfect!

[javahog]

LOL! The shadow of aries is the baby of the zodiac stamping her feet and holding her breath. "I WANT MY WAY! ME ME ME!" The good side is, the caretaker. Aries are the worriors. They lead. Number one and all that stuff!

I'm almost afraid to ask, but as a Pisces you said my shadow was the "opposite of Christ". Ummm, am I the antichrist, or just a harbinger of the Apocalypse?

[Gatordog]

I don't know why NG has that Drew guy on her show:shrug:. He never has any answers.

I believe the reason the second examination of the remains has not taken place yet is because baez said they needed the photographs and x-rays from the medical examiner before they could proceed. That was said during the hearing before Christmas when the judge gave the DA 14 days to turn over the material.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

I don't see how he can possibly keep her stories out of court. She told too many people these cockamamie stories and we're going to hear it from her statements to LE, her parents, her friends. I think the dumbest thing Baez could do is let her testify -- although I would love to see that happen. What a show that would be!

You have a very good point there. It will come in thru others testimony. Hadn't really thought of that. I believe Baez will put on his experts to refute the evidence and that will be in. Just enough for reasonable doubt. He is not a big enough fool to let Casey on the stand (I don't think).

[SaraSidle]

Nighty nite to all....and as the saying goes..........


"Don't be Jealous!"



:biggrin:

I miss Gumby and I am jealous. Hope you slept well

[SaraSidle]

I don't know why NG has that Drew guy on her show:shrug:. He never has any answers.

I believe the reason the second examination of the remains has not taken place yet is because baez said they needed the photographs and x-rays from the medical examiner before they could proceed. That was said during the hearing before Christmas when the judge gave the DA 14 days to turn over the material.

Gator

And since it is Henry Lee doing it they may have to be scheduling and coming up with funds also. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

:eek: If you watched NG tonight, the psychic is at the correct area where Caylee was left.

Geraldo had the story on 12/20. Link to video of Gale's search:

http://www.thebodyhunter.com/video-caylee.html

(Please note that she's wearing shorts but NO sidearem and doesn't seem to be worried about snakes!)

[javahog]

I don't know why NG has that Drew guy on her show:shrug:. He never has any answers.

I believe the reason the second examination of the remains has not taken place yet is because baez said they needed the photographs and x-rays from the medical examiner before they could proceed. That was said during the hearing before Christmas when the judge gave the DA 14 days to turn over the material.

Gator

His argument seems absurd to me. What, he doesn't want to pay for new x-rays? And who needs photographs when you have the real thing in front of you? From my work, I guarantee, there is nothing in a photo of a bone that cannot be seen better in person. As a matter of fact, drawing made by a good osteologist are better than photographs.

The Travoltas managed to get an autopsy done, cremate their son, and send him back home, funeral already planned. And that was in the Bahamas over a holiday! Get the autopsy done already and bury the baby!!!!

[mu8shark]

Just going on memory here but I think it did have something to do with a pillow or sheets. I'll see if I can find the info.

ETA: Someone else mentioned Casey possibly took the top sheet off Caylee's bed and made the bed. Cindy never would've known unless she remade the bed. :shrug:
Well at first I thought they were just looking for fibers when they took that bedding but they would not analyze a fiber that quickly from the crime scene, not quick enough to analyze and report back look for a bed linen fiber or whatever, a sheet or part of a sheet or a pillowcase on the other hand would not necessarily need analyzing right away, you could try to match it up by sight and what else was at the house. I am not sure Casey would have made the bed as part of a chore or to be neat but maybe to cover up. Cindy may though have in the course of just household duties stripped the bed and went to wash and thought, hmm, where is the bed sheet? Most people do that as a routine so if the sheet was missing surely Cindy went to wash them and missed it. Also my cousin feels like whatever happened to Caylee happened in that house,(after George left for work) like maybe she put chloroform on a sheet or pillow case and wrapped it around her and held it close to her mouth until it killed her. Then she was thinking of staging a drowning, thus those constant phone calls between about 3-5, for some reason changed her mind about that and threw Caylee in the trunk. I think it is more likely that she was killed in the trunk for some reason, there is not a lot of logic to my theory, except that lots of chloroform was found in the trunk. But if the sheet for instance were soaked with it, it could account for the chloroform in the trunk. All of this is just conjecture, I did not read any of it anywhere of course. But does anyone else think it possible Caylee was killed in the Anthony home??

[Justice Denied?]

I have never posted with better folk than here, when i was on the "other board" thru every other trial that peaked my interest i just thought that was the only one that existed. I am so glad i stumbled here with such a great,intelligent group. Over there my gawd if you made a typo ya got 5 posts telling you terrible insults. Needless to say i did more reading than posting. Felt like high school days where you had the really cool in group HA!!! Not that i cared but man get a life. Here it's all good and some amazing thought provoking ideas and theories. I luv it! And Sara you are one of the sweetest girlfriend.:rose:

I have always resented boards that operate like the one you are talking about. They make you feel like there is definitely an "IN" crowd and you're not in it. I personally have found that some of the sharpest people with the best ideas may be the worst spellers. Personally, I can spell fairly well but have arthritis in my hands and a new keyboard so it makes you wonder. Am glad you found us and hope you continue to enjoy it.:seeya:

[javahog]

Geraldo had the story on 12/20. Link to video of Gale's search:

http://www.thebodyhunter.com/video-caylee.html

(Please note that she's wearing shorts but NO sidearem and doesn't seem to be worried about snakes!)

But she's psychic! She knew there were no snakes there at that moment! They were all over by Caylee!

[javahog]

Well at first I thought they were just looking for fibers when they took that bedding but they would not analyze a fiber that quickly from the crime scene, not quick enough to analyze and report back look for a bed linen fiber or whatever, a sheet or part of a sheet or a pillowcase on the other hand would not necessarily need analyzing right away, you could try to match it up by sight and what else was at the house. I am not sure Casey would have made the bed as part of a chore or to be neat but maybe to cover up. Cindy may though have in the course of just household duties stripped the bed and went to wash and thought, hmm, where is the bed sheet? Most people do that as a routine so if the sheet was missing surely Cindy went to wash them and missed it. Also my cousin feels like whatever happened to Caylee happened in that house,(after George left for work) like maybe she put chloroform on a sheet or pillow case and wrapped it around her and held it close to her mouth until it killed her. Then she was thinking of staging a drowning, thus those constant phone calls between about 3-5, for some reason changed her mind about that and threw Caylee in the trunk. I think it is more likely that she was killed in the trunk for some reason, there is not a lot of logic to my theory, except that lots of chloroform was found in the trunk. But if the sheet for instance were soaked with it, it could account for the chloroform in the trunk. All of this is just conjecture, I did not read any of it anywhere of course. But does anyone else think it possible Caylee was killed in the Anthony home??

I would like to know if the cavader dogs searched inside the house. But I still lean toward her using the trunk as Zenaida and it all went wrong, either by design or accident...

Interesting about your idea of staging a drowning and hence the flurry of calls. It would kind of ruin your planned out drama if all your calls went to vocemail, huh? (if you were casey, I mean)

[SaraSidle]

LOL!!! You devil you!

How come I cannot do it? I can dance like that?

[SaraSidle]

Don't know if you guys noticed...........

I watched the Gale St John video many times today. If you notice, the area is green with foilage and blooming shrubs, weeds, trees, and brush. Going into there would be like going into a forest.

NO WAY Hoover and Casey could have seen anything had they filmed the area that day. You have had to physically go into those woods.

NO WAY LE would have seen the bag if they did not bother to physically go into the area where the bones and bag were found.

Kronk had to GO into Those woods to see the bag the time he saw it. When he saw the bag the first time, it had to be on the fringe of the brush.
From the road, in all circumstances, you couldn't see squat.

A thought re: Someone getting hold of Caylee's photos........They got JonBenet's autopsy photos, John Kennedy's, even Marilyn Monroe's. If there is a will, there's a way. If they are wanted, they will be had, some how some way. Shameful, but true. :no: This case is too high profile , IMO, for them to leave those pics alone....Scavengers. If they did not destroy Laci and Conner's pics already, they will show up somehow.

I so totally agree with the above and I love your avatar!!!!!!!! IMO

[mu8shark]

I would like to know if the cavader dogs searched inside the house. But I still lean toward her using the trunk as Zenaida and it all went wrong, either by design or accident...

Interesting about your idea of staging a drowning and hence the flurry of calls. It would kind of ruin your planned out drama if all your calls went to vocemail, huh? (if you were casey, I mean) Which leads me to a question, how long does a body have to be in a spot or area before a cadaver dog has a strong alert. In other words if the body was just in the house for say an hour or so, would the dogs alert? I don't know how long it takes but I can look for that info. And yes, on the planned out drama bombing, this is exactly what my cousins theory is that she got voicemail over and over and thought aw forget it, by now someone will say I should have called 911 anyways..

[mu8shark]

Which leads me to a question, how long does a body have to be in a spot or area before a cadaver dog has a strong alert. In other words if the body was just in the house for say an hour or so, would the dogs alert? I don't know how long it takes but I can look for that info. And yes, on the planned out drama bombing, this is exactly what my cousins theory is that she got voicemail over and over and thought aw forget it, by now someone will say I should have called 911 anyways.. Okay now I am being obnoxious and replying to my own post. On my cadaver dog question, I think since they hit on decomp , a body would not be considered decomposed in an air conditioned house after say two hours and she was probably gone by the time Cindy was home. Also since the bathing suit was in the bag , was this part of her staged drowning thing. Surely if Caylee had been wearing a bathing suit when she left George would remember this.

[javahog]

Which leads me to a question, how long does a body have to be in a spot or area before a cadaver dog has a strong alert. In other words if the body was just in the house for say an hour or so, would the dogs alert? I don't know how long it takes but I can look for that info. And yes, on the planned out drama bombing, this is exactly what my cousins theory is that she got voicemail over and over and thought aw forget it, by now someone will say I should have called 911 anyways..

Good question! and in the same vein, would they alert on, say, a spot on a sandbox where a child skinned her knee and left a tiny amount of tissue and blood? Or a pool ladder? Or a playhouse? If they were THAT sensitive, you'd think they would alert all over the place all the time...

[mu8shark]

Good question! and in the same vein, would they alert on, say, a spot on a sandbox where a child skinned her knee and left a tiny amount of tissue and blood? Or a pool ladder? Or a playhouse? If they were THAT sensitive, you'd think they would alert all over the place all the time...Yeah it is my understanding that cadaver dogs do not hit on pee or slobber or blood per se at all, only the components in decompostion. That is why when Cindy was on Greta rambling on about George bleeding in the backyard or whatever, I was like pffftttt. please.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well at first I thought they were just looking for fibers when they took that bedding but they would not analyze a fiber that quickly from the crime scene, not quick enough to analyze and report back look for a bed linen fiber or whatever, a sheet or part of a sheet or a pillowcase on the other hand would not necessarily need analyzing right away, you could try to match it up by sight and what else was at the house. I am not sure Casey would have made the bed as part of a chore or to be neat but maybe to cover up. Cindy may though have in the course of just household duties stripped the bed and went to wash and thought, hmm, where is the bed sheet? Most people do that as a routine so if the sheet was missing surely Cindy went to wash them and missed it. Also my cousin feels like whatever happened to Caylee happened in that house,(after George left for work) like maybe she put chloroform on a sheet or pillow case and wrapped it around her and held it close to her mouth until it killed her. Then she was thinking of staging a drowning, thus those constant phone calls between about 3-5, for some reason changed her mind about that and threw Caylee in the trunk. I think it is more likely that she was killed in the trunk for some reason, there is not a lot of logic to my theory, except that lots of chloroform was found in the trunk. But if the sheet for instance were soaked with it, it could account for the chloroform in the trunk. All of this is just conjecture, I did not read any of it anywhere of course. But does anyone else think it possible Caylee was killed in the Anthony home??

Something about this post made me wonder; if Casey and Cindy had The Big Blowup the night before, why did she even come back to the house less than twelve hours later? Sure, she knew Cindy was most likely at work, but was she there to try to get George to smooth things out with Cindy? And what happened during that visit to cause her to double back after George left and kill Caylee at the house? Something doesn't add up here in a BIG way. And it makes me doubt more than ever that George actually saw her that day, or is telling the truth about things being normal.

[javahog]

LOL!!! It has been said of Pisces that they are the 12th sign ie a composite of all the signs. It has also been written by traditional astrologers that Christ was indeed born in the Spring, not in December which is noted to be a pagan holiday adapted into Christianity. So the great old Guru's of Astrology has likened Pisces as the sign of the prophet Jesus who was fully evolved. So the opposite of Christ, would be the shadow. And you know who that is.. again, only the broken signs, as I call them, or the poor fallen angels who have been ravished by abuse would display the shadow. Not to worry Pisces is the healer, the compassionate one and the door mat. ;) All they do is give.

High five Java! I'm a also a Pisces. Shoot me, please shoot me! I want to be an Aries or a nice distinguished staunch, conservative Capricorn. :confused:

:beer: to doormats, lol!

[SaraSidle]

I have never posted with better folk than here, when i was on the "other board" thru every other trial that peaked my interest i just thought that was the only one that existed. I am so glad i stumbled here with such a great,intelligent group. Over there my gawd if you made a typo ya got 5 posts telling you terrible insults. Needless to say i did more reading than posting. Felt like high school days where you had the really cool in group HA!!! Not that i cared but man get a life. Here it's all good and some amazing thought provoking ideas and theories. I luv it! And Sara you are one of the sweetest girlfriend.:rose:

You too sweets. do not forget that. I am so glad you are here, back at ya:rose:

[deputydi]

You have a very good point there. It will come in thru others testimony. Hadn't really thought of that. I believe Baez will put on his experts to refute the evidence and that will be in. Just enough for reasonable doubt. He is not a big enough fool to let Casey on the stand (I don't think).
That's what I think too. He's going to pull a Geragos and it will backfire on him just like it did on Mark. Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't think of a single thing they can do to create reasonable doubt.

Her car tested for decomposition because someone stole her car and drove it around with a dead body for a couple of days. Nah, that doesn't make sense.

The hair found in the trunk could have been Casey's. Oh, wait -- it came from a dead body and Casey is alive. Can't use that either.

Casey was earnestly looking for her missing daughter by telling lie after lie and misleading the police because . . . why? That makes no sense no matter how you fill in the blanks.

Casey stole money from Amy and used it to buy stuff for herself and, honest, whatever was left over would be spent looking for Caylee. No, the jury will be thinking WTF is she talking about.

I could keep going, but what would be the point? There isn't a single thing I can think of that would make me go "Ummm --- you know, maybe someone else really did murder Caylee and this poor girl may have been wrongly accused."

Anyone???

[lorettalockhorn]

But she's psychic! She knew there were no snakes there at that moment! They were all over by Caylee!

LMAO Still want to know who Deputy Wussy Boy was who was afraid of snakes and didn't check out the meter reader's call.

In fact, I think there has been plenty of time for the sheriff's office to step up with the results of their investigation into the whole Kronk Call Situation.

[SaraSidle]

Something about this post made me wonder; if Casey and Cindy had The Big Blowup the night before, why did she even come back to the house less than twelve hours later? Sure, she knew Cindy was most likely at work, but was she there to try to get George to smooth things out with Cindy? And what happened during that visit to cause her to double back after George left and kill Caylee at the house? Something doesn't add up here in a BIG way. And it makes me doubt more than ever that George actually saw her that day, or is telling the truth about things being normal.

another lovely conflict that I have yet to figure out Loretta no matter how much I read,,,,,,,,,,,,,IMO Not to mention the smell in the sandbox and playhouse.......imo sara

[SaraSidle]

LMAO Still want to know who Deputy Wussy Boy was who was afraid of snakes and didn't check out the meter reader's call.

In fact, I think there has been plenty of time for the sheriff's office to step up with the results of their investigation into the whole Kronk Call Situation.

you go girl they let all other info out. let's hear it

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't know if you guys noticed...........

I watched the Gale St John video many times today. If you notice, the area is green with foilage and blooming shrubs, weeds, trees, and brush. Going into there would be like going into a forest.

NO WAY Hoover and Casey could have seen anything had they filmed the area that day. You have had to physically go into those woods.

NO WAY LE would have seen the bag if they did not bother to physically go into the area where the bones and bag were found.

Kronk had to GO into Those woods to see the bag the time he saw it. When he saw the bag the first time, it had to be on the fringe of the brush.
From the road, in all circumstances, you couldn't see squat.

A thought re: Someone getting hold of Caylee's photos........They got JonBenet's autopsy photos, John Kennedy's, even Marilyn Monroe's. If there is a will, there's a way. If they are wanted, they will be had, some how some way. Shameful, but true. :no: This case is too high profile , IMO, for them to leave those pics alone....Scavengers. If they did not destroy Laci and Conner's pics already, they will show up somehow.

just wanted to add also ;The Black Dalhia's autopsy photos..those are really sad ~

Well, let's hope and pray that he went into the woods that day since his purpose was to take a wee wee. I was under the impression that the first time he saw the bag it was near the side of the road. I just figured that animals had dragged it around.

[lorettalockhorn]

Off i go for some zzzz's :seeya:

Sweetie Pie dreams.

[mu8shark]

That's what I think too. He's going to pull a Geragos and it will backfire on him just like it did on Mark. Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't think of a single thing they can do to create reasonable doubt.

Her car tested for decomposition because someone stole her car and drove it around with a dead body for a couple of days. Nah, that doesn't make sense.

The hair found in the trunk could have been Casey's. Oh, wait -- it came from a dead body and Casey is alive. Can't use that either.

Casey was earnestly looking for her missing daughter by telling lie after lie and misleading the police because . . . why? That makes no sense no matter how you fill in the blanks.

Casey stole money from Amy and used it to buy stuff for herself and, honest, whatever was left over would be spent looking for Caylee. No, the jury will be thinking WTF is she talking about.

I could keep going, but what would be the point? There isn't a single thing I can think of that would make me go "Ummm --- you know, maybe someone else really did murder Caylee and this poor girl may have been wrongly accused."

Anyone???Great post Deputy and those comp searches, Is there an entire jury pool that will say to themselves, searching for death and inhalation, how to make chloroform, neck breaking , an episode of one tree hill where the nanny kidnaps a child, looking on missing childrens sites and joila , two months later chloroform in the trunk , a nanny story and a dead child.? Well it could be a coincidence, or George was looking at that stuff, or somebody snuck in and did all those searches. The jury will be thinking Oh please we do not buy any of those explanations from the defense!! I suppose one juror could hang on some of this but I doubt it, There is no way in hell you will convince all twelve jurors to acquit her. No way. Also I did hear the looking of the episode of the Nanny and one Tree Hill occured smack dab in the middle of all her other searches for chloroform, missing children, etc. Now , what a coincidence? !

[lorettalockhorn]

another lovely conflict that I have yet to figure out Loretta no matter how much I read,,,,,,,,,,,,,IMO Not to mention the smell in the sandbox and playhouse.......imo sara

No matter how you slice it; Caylee was dead in the back yard of the Anthonys' house. Period. Why would she have come back to the house to kill Caylee? And did she just act blase for George's benefit? Or was it George who pissed her off that day instead of Cindy the night before? Or was The Big Blow Up all a lie? Or is George a liar too? Why leave and cool off for hours and then come back and kill Caylee??

[SaraSidle]

Big sister fell asleep early. She had a long travel day. I'm :read: some great stuff here tonight. NG is on, gotta go.. but I think you are all much more informative.

Thank you my brilliant peers. :)

well Danagher now that I am back after 2 months you need to know that I am the grammar and spellchecker and I will add points if you make a mistake so the vacation is over and get on you toes. IMO sara:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

Great post Deputy and those comp searches, Is there an entire jury pool that will say to themselves, searching for death and inhalation, how to make chloroform, neck breaking , an episode of one tree hill where the nanny kidnaps a child, looking on missing childrens sites and joila , two months later chloroform in the trunk , a nanny story and a dead child.? Well it could be a coincidence, or George was looking at that stuff, or somebody snuck in and did all those searches. The jury will be thinking Oh please we do not buy any of those explanations from the defense!! I suppose one juror could hang on some of this but I doubt it, There is no way in hell you will convince all twelve jurors to acquit her. No way. Also I did hear the looking of the episode of the Nanny and one Tree Hill occured smack dab in the middle of all her other searches for chloroform, missing children, etc. Now , what a coincidence? !

I agree Deputy.......a wonderful post!!!!!!!!!IMO sara

[javahog]

That's what I think too. He's going to pull a Geragos and it will backfire on him just like it did on Mark. Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't think of a single thing they can do to create reasonable doubt.

Her car tested for decomposition because someone stole her car and drove it around with a dead body for a couple of days. Nah, that doesn't make sense.

HEY, PEPPERONIS DECOMPOSE!

The hair found in the trunk could have been Casey's. Oh, wait -- it came from a dead body and Casey is alive. Can't use that either.

THAT BANDING WAS AN ILL-CONCEIVED ATTEMPT AT HAIR COLOR

Casey was earnestly looking for her missing daughter by telling lie after lie and misleading the police because . . . why? That makes no sense no matter how you fill in the blanks.

BECAUSE SHE KNEW HOW TO HAIL A CAB FROM WATCHING FRIENDS

Casey stole money from Amy and used it to buy stuff for herself and, honest, whatever was left over would be spent looking for Caylee. No, the jury will be thinking WTF is she talking about.

IT IS HARD TO SEARCH FOR MISSING CHILDREN WITHOUT PROPER FOUNDATION GARMENTS, REALLY

I could keep going, but what would be the point? There isn't a single thing I can think of that would make me go "Ummm --- you know, maybe someone else really did murder Caylee and this poor girl may have been wrongly accused."

Anyone???

Have I changed your mind? I wanna be Baez for Halloween!

[SaraSidle]

No matter how you slice it; Caylee was dead in the back yard of the Anthonys' house. Period. Why would she have come back to the house to kill Caylee? And did she just act blase for George's benefit? Or was it George who pissed her off that day instead of Cindy the night before? Or was The Big Blow Up all a lie? Or is George a liar too? Why leave and cool off for hours and then come back and kill Caylee??

All great questions Loretta but I have no idea even though I have read and listened to everything I could. Maybe she was killed in the house with the duct tape buried twice in the backyard in a panic and then put in the trunk. the whole thing makes me nauseous to think about and very confused. at what point was the shovel borrowed. for sandbox? playhouse? burying ground? I am hoping dirt from the shovel clears that up. I do not think she was buried where she was found but she was found 20 feet from the road. Suggests another panic about hiding the body. still confusing. we still do not know if she was alone. IMO

[mu8shark]

No matter how you slice it; Caylee was dead in the back yard of the Anthonys' house. Period. Why would she have come back to the house to kill Caylee? And did she just act blase for George's benefit? Or was it George who pissed her off that day instead of Cindy the night before? Or was The Big Blow Up all a lie? Or is George a liar too? Why leave and cool off for hours and then come back and kill Caylee?? When she stormed off did she have Caylee with her? Maybe she came back to get Caylee. Also , her stuff was mostly there at that time and she had to sleep somewhere, so maybe she came back. I can see her doing that, cooling off and coming back. I don't find George's story about her leaving that day suspicious at all. I mean it really does not make her look any more guilty or innocent if he last saw her at 1 pm or if he saw her the night before. I believe he saw her, but that is just my opinion.

[SaraSidle]

well Danagher now that I am back after 2 months you need to know that I am the grammar and spellchecker and I will add points if you make a mistake so the vacation is over and get on you toes. IMO sara:seeya:


Okay I am lying but I am Gemini

[mu8shark]

All great questions Loretta but I have no idea even though I have read and listened to everything I could. Maybe she was killed in the house with the duct tape buried twice in the backyard in a panic and then put in the trunk. the whole thing makes me nauseous to think about and very confused. at what point was the shovel borrowed. for sandbox? playhouse? burying ground? I am hoping dirt from the shovel clears that up. I do not think she was buried where she was found but she was found 20 feet from the road. Suggests another panic about hiding the body. still confusing. we still do not know if she was alone. IMO I still contend she dumped the body for the final time when she ran out of gas on Chickasaw on the 20th. It fits right in with Perpers revised timeline of how long the body would have to be in the trunk to smell, 3 or 4 days. I don't think she would risk Tony getting too close to the car in all that and asking her about the smell or Tony wanting to open the trunk. I think she spent the rest of the time partying and intermittenly thinking about how to disguise the smell, trash and pizza boxes, etc. As for the backyard I can't quite make up my mind if she left the body there the very first day and then retrieved it, thus the shovel or she went back with the body to bury in the backyard a while later on the 18th, thus the shovel and thought to herself, chit this will never work. She may have been trying out places like the sandbox, other areas and that left the decomp smell .As by the 18th the body would have that smell for sure. And the dogs would sense it.

[lorettalockhorn]

When she stormed off did she have Caylee with her? Maybe she came back to get Caylee. Also , her stuff was mostly there at that time and she had to sleep somewhere, so maybe she came back. I can see her doing that, cooling off and coming back. I don't find George's story about her leaving that day suspicious at all. I mean it really does not make her look any more guilty or innocent if he last saw her at 1 pm or if he saw her the night before. I believe he saw her, but that is just my opinion.

I'm prob just not formulating my thoughts, but it doesn't make sense that if she killed Caylee to get even with Cindy, that she would have cooled off and then gotten all riled up into a murderous lather again IF George's account is true and if LE's guesstimation about the timing of Caylee's death is correct. And she wasn't there to sleep, because George said they left with their backpacks, although he didn't mention that they took anything else with them; nothing that would carry them over for the month that Casey was gone. I've never read anywhere that Casey didn't take Caylee with her the night before.

[mu8shark]

I'm prob just not formulating my thoughts, but it doesn't make sense that if she killed Caylee to get even with Cindy, that she would have cooled off and then gotten all riled up into a murderous lather again IF George's account is true and if LE's guesstimation about the timing of Caylee's death is correct. And she wasn't there to sleep, because George said they left with their backpacks, although he didn't mention that they took anything else with them; nothing that would carry them over for the month that Casey was gone. I've never read anywhere that Casey didn't take Caylee with her the night before. Okay so she did have Caylee with her when she stormed out. Thanks for clearing that up. But you make a good point about what else she could have come back for, her stuff. If she planned to stay away for about a month or even longer (if Amy had not told her Mom) as part of her plot, she has to get her clothes and no way you can put enough crap in a back pack for a whole month. Curiously I wonder what all Casey took with her to Tony's. Anyone know how much stuff was in the bags that Lee eventually went to get.? Probably whatever she packed in those bags she had to come back to get. I don't think she necessarily planned on killing Caylee there way ahead of time , but if I were her, and I was going to kill my child, (god what an awful thought) I would want a place where I could be alone with zero witnesses. I would not want to be seen putting my kid in the trunk in some parking lot. I would want to do it all where I could be alone, thus the house. I mean what if somebody saw her put her in the trunk when she was out somewhere? Casey may have thought of that. Also don't misunderstand I don't think she killed her just to get back at Cindy. I think it was the perfect storm of emotions, tired of being a Mom, pissed at not going to PR, threatened by Cindy perhaps with being turned out and having her child taken away with no visible means of support for herself.

[javahog]

When she stormed off did she have Caylee with her? Maybe she came back to get Caylee. Also , her stuff was mostly there at that time and she had to sleep somewhere, so maybe she came back. I can see her doing that, cooling off and coming back. I don't find George's story about her leaving that day suspicious at all. I mean it really does not make her look any more guilty or innocent if he last saw her at 1 pm or if he saw her the night before. I believe he saw her, but that is just my opinion.

Hmmn, I wonder if she picked up some of her things but none of Caylees? Remember how Cindy said, "oh that's why nothings missing" when Casey said Zanny had clothes etc. for Caylee? Cindy seemed relieved...Casey was so playing her.

All the lies she's told are designed for a hopeful family, not a critical jury, imo. I guess it was all the practice...

[javahog]

I still contend she dumped the body for the final time when she ran out of gas on Chickasaw on the 20th. It fits right in with Perpers revised timeline of how long the body would have to be in the trunk to smell, 3 or 4 days. I don't think she would risk Tony getting too close to the car in all that and asking her about the smell or Tony wanting to open the trunk. I think she spent the rest of the time partying and intermittenly thinking about how to disguise the smell, trash and pizza boxes, etc. As for the backyard I can't quite make up my mind if she left the body there the very first day and then retrieved it, thus the shovel or she went back with the body to bury in the backyard a while later on the 18th, thus the shovel and thought to herself, chit this will never work. She may have been trying out places like the sandbox, other areas and that left the decomp smell .As by the 18th the body would have that smell for sure. And the dogs would sense it.

Maybe she tried to did a hole for the first time in her life and found out its hard. There's a reason the stereotypical grave is shallow!

[mu8shark]

Hmmn, I wonder if she picked up some of her things but none of Caylees? Remember how Cindy said, "oh that's why nothings missing" when Casey said Zanny had clothes etc. for Caylee? Cindy seemed relieved...Casey was so playing her.

All the lies she's told are designed for a hopeful family, not a critical jury, imo. I guess it was all the practice... Now that is a good point, Cindy indicates that nothing was missing of Caylee's. So Casey probably came back and used her backpack and Caylees to put her own stuff in, knowing she would not need any of Caylee's stuff at all since it was sadly her last day. Which if I were a prosecutor, I would say does help show some premeditation. I mean who takes a child out for a whole day with a supposed Nanny with absolutely no stuff or little stuff. I know she has that bogus the nanny bought everything but..... to a jury, it might signal premeditation.

[mu8shark]

Maybe she tried to did a hole for the first time in her life and found out its hard. There's a reason the stereotypical grave is shallow!
A detective once told me it is much harder than it looks to dig a good grave! So this is to all the grave diggers, the ones that had to do it manually for years(Legally of course):beer:

[SaraSidle]

I still contend she dumped the body for the final time when she ran out of gas on Chickasaw on the 20th. It fits right in with Perpers revised timeline of how long the body would have to be in the trunk to smell, 3 or 4 days. I don't think she would risk Tony getting too close to the car in all that and asking her about the smell or Tony wanting to open the trunk. I think she spent the rest of the time partying and intermittenly thinking about how to disguise the smell, trash and pizza boxes, etc. As for the backyard I can't quite make up my mind if she left the body there the very first day and then retrieved it, thus the shovel or she went back with the body to bury in the backyard a while later on the 18th, thus the shovel and thought to herself, chit this will never work. She may have been trying out places like the sandbox, other areas and that left the decomp smell .As by the 18th the body would have that smell for sure. And the dogs would sense it.

MU you know I agree with you but the backyeard and shovel need to be explained somehow in my mind. I mean the dogs found evidence. IMO

[mu8shark]

MU you know I agree with you but the backyeard and shovel need to be explained somehow in my mind. I mean the dogs found evidence. IMO Yep at some point Caylee was in the backyard when the body had decomposed enough to smell. Those dogs are usually pretty accurate, especially two of them. LE was smart to test two dogs.

[SaraSidle]

also did I indeed read her backpack was missing and they found her favorite doll and carseat in Casey's car? imo

[javahog]

MU you know I agree with you but the backyeard and shovel need to be explained somehow in my mind. I mean the dogs found evidence. IMO

her weird comment about LE not even finding Caylee's clothes comes to my mind. I wonder if she thought about hiding something with decomp on it there then changed her mind?

[SaraSidle]

Yep at some point Caylee was in the backyard when the body had decomposed enough to smell. Those dogs are usually pretty accurate, especially two of them. LE was smart to test two dogs.

yes that is what I mean..........I would love a time line on the back yard,trunk and swamp she was placed in but I do not think we will ever here it from her. poor baby girl. she deserved so much better. IMO

[javahog]

also did I indeed read her backpack was missing and they found her favorite doll and carseat in Casey's car? imo

doll and carseat, yeah, i know. the carseat was why george was so scared of opening the trunk he said. makes sense, imo. caylee needed her doll at all times, and the carseat to ride in. but if her clothes were still at home...she didn't need them...for some reason...

[lorettalockhorn]

Now that is a good point, Cindy indicates that nothing was missing of Caylee's. So Casey probably came back and used her backpack and Caylees to put her own stuff in, knowing she would not need any of Caylee's stuff at all since it was sadly her last day. Which if I were a prosecutor, I would say does help show some premeditation. I mean who takes a child out for a whole day with a supposed Nanny with absolutely no stuff or little stuff. I know she has that bogus the nanny bought everything but..... to a jury, it might signal premeditation.

So maybe what Georgie fibbed about is that Casey did take some of her own things, and begged her to not take Caylee. Maybe that's what (re)precipitated the rage to kill. That it was okay for her to leave, but not Caylee. But she still would have had to double back to the house after George went to work for the dogs to have hit on the areas in the yard. Yes! on that premeditation thinking.

(Sorry, but I just cannot get it out of my head that George lied. About something.)

[sharlock]

OMG sharlock, you're a Libra???!! I'm a Libra!!!! (10~10)

Let's go get some ice cream!! Or do you want to go to the mall and s*it around...let's go get ice cream!! Or maybe we can go to the mall then get ice cream..what do you wanna do? We CAN get ice cream first, or............

LOLOLOLOL!
No, no icecream sounds good but do you think I should change4 first? Do these jeans make my bee hind look huge? 10~10 heh! I am 2~10 not much seperates us there, and snoop is a libran too? We must be the tenacious kind of librans I think!:beer:

[mu8shark]

So maybe what Georgie fibbed about is that Casey did take some of her own things, and begged her to not take Caylee. Maybe that's what (re)precipitated the rage to kill. That it was okay for her to leave, but not Caylee. But she still would have had to double back to the house after George went to work for the dogs to have hit on the areas in the yard. Yes! on that premeditation thinking.

(Sorry, but I just cannot get it out of my head that George lied. About something.) Oh yeah she definitely had to go back to the house and she would not have killed Caylee with George there. I also think her leaving and George seeing her leave with stuff, even if it was just backpacks with her own stuff would help her set up her Nanny story. So I think she came back between 1 pm and 3 pm when those calls started. I can't be sure but if I recall the pings from the 1pm and 3pm calls were from in or around the Anthony home. Can't be for sure, but I am almost positive I saw that info. Obviously they can't put her right in the Anthony home but I bet they got damn close on those pings.

[One2Snoop]

State Tries To Limit Images Of Caylee's Remains
Prosecutors File Motion Over Concerns Of Sale

POSTED: 1:21 pm EST January 6, 2009
UPDATED: 6:52 pm EST January 6, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Prosecutors are withholding three discs showing Caylee Anthony’s remains from the defense team, WESH 2 News confirmed on Tuesday.

The discs include X-rays and photos of her body, which were supposed to be delivered to the defense under a court’s order. But in a new motion, the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office said it has concerns that the images will be reproduced and sold, according to WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing.

In this motion, the state argues that substantial licensing fees have been paid for pictures and video of Caylee taken while she was alive. That is why prosecutors want the judge to place special restrictions on digitized images of the remains before they hand them over to attorney Jose Baez and his defense team.

In court documents prosecutors say they have three discs ready to hand over, but they want the judge to order Baez not to reproduce those images in any way. They also want restrictions placed on whom Baez can show the images.

Baez represents Casey Anthony, who is charged with the first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee. Anthony is being held on no bond at Orange County Jail, with trial set for March.

The Anthony family reported Caylee missing in July, but her remains were found last month about a half mile from the family’s home in Orange County.

A spokesman for Baez called it a delaying tactic that "makes no sense."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18422273/detail.html

[mu8shark]

June 16 12:50 PM - The last time George Anthony (Casey's dad) saw Caylee alive. "Ten minutes to 1 (o'clock) that afternoon on the 16th is when I actually saw Casey and Caylee together -- both leaving with backpacks -- and my daughter said she was going to work, and she was taking Caylee to the nanny, to the babysitter," George Anthony has said.

1 PM - Casey made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro.


1:44 PM - Casey made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga.


2:52 PM - Casey made an 11-minute call to ex-fiance Jesse Grund.


All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home.


4:11 PM - Anthony began trying to reach her mother, Cindy Anthony, making four attempts in two minutes.

4:19 PM - Casey headed north and called Tony Lazzaro.


4:22 PM - Casey called Jesse Grund for a minute.


4:25 PM - Casey tried to call her mother.


5:57 PM - There was no other communication from Anthony's cell phone until she made a call to Lazzaro's apartment at 5:57.

Two hours later, Anthony and Lazzaro were captured on surveillance video at a Blockbuster, renting a movie that contains a scene of a rotting body in a car trunk, Pipitone said.

June 17

2:30 PM - Anthony returned to her parents' home.

4 PM - Casey's phone pinged a tower southwest of the house near Lee Vista Boulevard and South Goldenrod Road, an area where detectives have directed Equusearch volunteers to search for Caylee weeks ago.

5:20 PM - A tower was pinged near Blanchard Park, another site searched in August by Equusearch.


5:23 PM to 8:23 PM - Anthony's cell phone went silent during this two-hour period, perhaps prompting investigators to search the area, Pipitone said.

8:24 PM - "It was then that Casey's phone pinged a cell tower near boyfriend Tony Laazaro's apartment," Pipitone said.


June 18

On the day Casey's parents' neighbor said Anthony borrowed a shovel and backed her car into the garage, cell phone pings show that Anthony was at or near her parents' home from 2:30 PM until 3:30 PM, Pipitone said.

Anthony's phone later pinged a different spot near the Econ Trail, south of Lake Underhill, records show. It's also a location that detectives guided Equusearch volunteers to look for signs of Caylee's body, Pipitone said.

Equusearch will return to that area November 8 to continue the search, Pipitone reported.

Scientific evidence suggests that a body left its chemical signature in the trunk of Anthony's car after decomposing for less than two and a half days, which would be about the same time period between the aforementioned cell phone pings.


"Circumstantial, but interesting," Pipitone said.

Do you think these cell phone records give new clues into the case?


My comments She definitely went back to the house after George left according to the pings or at least near her parents house and she probably would not have sat outside when she could go in air conditioning and talk on the phone and also if she killed Caylee she would not be seen. Also on the the 17th she went back to the house, does she at that time put Caylees body in the sand box ? It is on the 18th I believe she borrows the shovel. Did she decide to come get Caylee out of the sandbox on the 18th as that was a bad idea? If the body was left back there from the 17th to 18t just for one day in that heat, it would definitely leave a smell to alert the dogs.

[SaraSidle]

this is making me ill. Good Night O2S and all

[sharlock]

Well at first I thought they were just looking for fibers when they took that bedding but they would not analyze a fiber that quickly from the crime scene, not quick enough to analyze and report back look for a bed linen fiber or whatever, a sheet or part of a sheet or a pillowcase on the other hand would not necessarily need analyzing right away, you could try to match it up by sight and what else was at the house. I am not sure Casey would have made the bed as part of a chore or to be neat but maybe to cover up. Cindy may though have in the course of just household duties stripped the bed and went to wash and thought, hmm, where is the bed sheet? Most people do that as a routine so if the sheet was missing surely Cindy went to wash them and missed it. Also my cousin feels like whatever happened to Caylee happened in that house,(after George left for work) like maybe she put chloroform on a sheet or pillow case and wrapped it around her and held it close to her mouth until it killed her. Then she was thinking of staging a drowning, thus those constant phone calls between about 3-5, for some reason changed her mind about that and threw Caylee in the trunk. I think it is more likely that she was killed in the trunk for some reason, there is not a lot of logic to my theory, except that lots of chloroform was found in the trunk. But if the sheet for instance were soaked with it, it could account for the chloroform in the trunk. All of this is just conjecture, I did not read any of it anywhere of course. But does anyone else think it possible Caylee was killed in the Anthony home??
I certainly wouldn't rule it out it is at the very least part of the crime scene but what part I can only guess.

[mu8shark]

this is making me ill. Good Night O2S and all Nite hope I did not get too graphic. Sorry!

[One2Snoop]

this is making me ill. Good Night O2S and all

'Nite Sara. :seeya:

[javahog]

June 16 12:50 PM - The last time George Anthony (Casey's dad) saw Caylee alive. "Ten minutes to 1 (o'clock) that afternoon on the 16th is when I actually saw Casey and Caylee together -- both leaving with backpacks -- and my daughter said she was going to work, and she was taking Caylee to the nanny, to the babysitter," George Anthony has said.

1 PM - Casey made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro.


1:44 PM - Casey made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga.


2:52 PM - Casey made an 11-minute call to ex-fiance Jesse Grund.


All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home.


4:11 PM - Anthony began trying to reach her mother, Cindy Anthony, making four attempts in two minutes.

4:19 PM - Casey headed north and called Tony Lazzaro.


4:22 PM - Casey called Jesse Grund for a minute.


4:25 PM - Casey tried to call her mother.


5:57 PM - There was no other communication from Anthony's cell phone until she made a call to Lazzaro's apartment at 5:57.

Two hours later, Anthony and Lazzaro were captured on surveillance video at a Blockbuster, renting a movie that contains a scene of a rotting body in a car trunk, Pipitone said.

June 17

2:30 PM - Anthony returned to her parents' home.

4 PM - Casey's phone pinged a tower southwest of the house near Lee Vista Boulevard and South Goldenrod Road, an area where detectives have directed Equusearch volunteers to search for Caylee weeks ago.

5:20 PM - A tower was pinged near Blanchard Park, another site searched in August by Equusearch.


5:23 PM to 8:23 PM - Anthony's cell phone went silent during this two-hour period, perhaps prompting investigators to search the area, Pipitone said.

8:24 PM - "It was then that Casey's phone pinged a cell tower near boyfriend Tony Laazaro's apartment," Pipitone said.


June 18

On the day Casey's parents' neighbor said Anthony borrowed a shovel and backed her car into the garage, cell phone pings show that Anthony was at or near her parents' home from 2:30 PM until 3:30 PM, Pipitone said.

Anthony's phone later pinged a different spot near the Econ Trail, south of Lake Underhill, records show. It's also a location that detectives guided Equusearch volunteers to look for signs of Caylee's body, Pipitone said.

Equusearch will return to that area November 8 to continue the search, Pipitone reported.

Scientific evidence suggests that a body left its chemical signature in the trunk of Anthony's car after decomposing for less than two and a half days, which would be about the same time period between the aforementioned cell phone pings.


"Circumstantial, but interesting," Pipitone said.

Do you think these cell phone records give new clues into the case?


My comments She definitely went back to the house after George left according to the pings or at least near her parents house and she probably would not have sat outside when she could go in air conditioning and talk on the phone and also if she killed Caylee she would not be seen. Also on the the 17th she went back to the house, does she at that time put Caylees body in the sand box ? It is on the 18th I believe she borrows the shovel. Did she decide to come get Caylee out of the sandbox on the 18th as that was a bad idea? If the body was left back there from the 17th to 18t just for one day in that heat, it would definitely leave a smell to alert the dogs.

Some details are missing, but the pattern is pretty clear, imo...

Casey found Caylee dead between 3:03 and 4:11, either through intention or accident. 4:11-4:25 Casey calls for either help or to set up her plan. Finally gives up as (omg, what if Cindy was po'd and ignored her calls on purpose?!) no one answers. By 5:57, she's solved the immediate problem with the use of her trunk, calls Lazzaro, and they snuggle over a nice flick by 8 pm.

Next day was a busy day. It was time to find a place to hide the body in the trunk. Drive, drive, drive. Finally, a good location was found, or so she thought until she actually tried to dig a hole the next day at Econ Trail. Well, that's tough work, time to work out a new plan. But she runs out of gas on the 20th, and dumps the body where she has to, not where she'd like to, so boyfriend doesn't catch a whiff.

Now, the longer she can stall, the colder the trail will be. Act like nothings wrong! Stall!

So that's the theory...make sense?

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony connects to outside world with transistor radio

Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:16 PM EST, January 6, 2009

Sony SRF 39FP
http://i41.tinypic.com/13ye6ip.jpg
Sony SRF 39FP (FLICKR.COM/RADIOROVER / January 6, 2009)

But the most high-profile inmate at the Orange County Jail gets most of her news the old-fashioned way -- on a small transistor radio from inside her 7-by-12 foot cell in the county's female detention center.

"[Anthony] has very limited access to the outside world," jail spokesman Allen Moore said. "She's not watching Nancy Grace."

The question of Anthony's connection to the outside world surfaced after an attorney for her parents, George and Cindy Anthony, said in a statement that they intend to hold a public memorial service for their granddaughter, Caylee Marie, whose skeletal remains were found in a wooded lot near her home Dec. 11.

Officials have confirmed that Anthony, who is being held without bond and charged with first-degree murder.

murder in the death of her daughter, won't be allowed to leave the jail to attend any service for Caylee.

No date or time for the service has been announced.

Jail officials said today they have not yet decided if Anthony will be allowed to watch the service on television.

She has no limit on her Sony SRF 39FP, a $21 radio she bought from the jail's commissary. It's specifically designed for inmates in U.S. corrections facilities. The transparent case is supposed to prevent inmates from using it to conceal things.

The main reason for her limited access to television news is her Level 1 protective custody status -- triggered in part by her own notoriety.

That level of security is given to high-profile inmates, such as Lisa Nowak and Lou Pearlman, who generate massive amounts of media coverage because of the charges against them.

"The protective status helps avoid situations that will affect the inmate's safety or the jail's operation," Moore said.

Because Anthony is kept isolated from other inmates, she spends most of her time alone in her cell without a clear view of the television set located in that part of the female-detention center.

That television, which only transmits local stations, is rarely turned on because of the "mix of psychological observation and disciplinary classifications of the inmates" in protective custody, Moore said.

However, Anthony can request to watch television during the one hour per day she is allowed out of her cell. That hour is normally reserved for showers and time of the cell.

"A corrections officer will stay with her in an adjacent classroom to supervise while she watches television," Moore said.

Inmates who are not in protective custody have more television access.

All inmates can subscribe to newspapers, but they are not distributed in common areas at the jail. She and other inmates do not have access to the Internet.

Incoming mail is opened and reviewed by mail room staffers for hidden contraband and outgoing mail is sometimes opened, officials said.

Although the jail keeps a log of her visitors, and records all phone calls and video visitations, officials do not track what she watches on television. Moore said it's unclear how much television she watches.

For the time being, Anthony's limited connection to the outside is mainly dependent on her radio and the snippets she overhears from other inmates.

"She may not be in contact with other inmates, but she can hear what they are saying outside her cell," Moore said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-media-access-010608,0,2182241.story

[mu8shark]

Some details are missing, but the pattern is pretty clear, imo...

Casey found Caylee dead between 3:03 and 4:11, either through intention or accident. 4:11-4:25 Casey calls for either help or to set up her plan. Finally gives up as (omg, what if Cindy was po'd and ignored her calls on purpose?!) no one answers. By 5:57, she's solved the immediate problem with the use of her trunk, calls Lazzaro, and they snuggle over a nice flick by 8 pm.

Next day was a busy day. It was time to find a place to hide the body in the trunk. Drive, drive, drive. Finally, a good location was found, or so she thought until she actually tried to dig a hole the next day at Econ Trail. Well, that's tough work, time to work out a new plan. But she runs out of gas on the 20th, and dumps the body where she has to, not where she'd like to, so boyfriend doesn't catch a whiff.

Now, the longer she can stall, the colder the trail will be. Act like nothings wrong! Stall!

So that's the theory...make sense? It does make sense except that the cell pings put her back at her folks house on the 17th. Does she bury the body there for a short time? What is she doing back there on the 17th? Is this what makes the dogs hit? Maybe one of the problems at Econ is there are too many people. And she borrowed the shovel on the 18th to what end? Maybe to get the body out of the sandbox if she put it back there temporarily? Okay scratch that she left the body in the backyard on the 17th as obviously she is looking for hiding places after that on the same day. Maybe she just tried to bury in the backyard on the 17th and it did not work which does not explain her borrowing shovel on 18th but..... this is as far as I can get. I now believe by the pings though that Caylee was killed or died in the Anthony home. Her pings put her there.

[lorettalockhorn]

Curious about the shovel. Casey borrowed it on the 18th once but returned it. Was she using it to bury Caylee (or clothes or whatever), or to dig her up? What did she use for the opposite action?

I can't get the link to open to the Cadaver Dog Handbook link I found about how soon the corpse is detectable, but according to those 26 stages of death, after 24 hours; (#19) there is a strong odor of rotting meat. I would think that is around the time (depending on temperature and humidity) that the dogs are able to perform their function. Maybe sooner, but it's been stressed that they don't hit on urine, blood, etc.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

[mu8shark]

Curious about the shovel. Casey borrowed it on the 18th once but returned it. Was she using it to bury Caylee (or clothes or whatever), or to dig her up? What did she use for the opposite action?

I can't get the link to open to the Cadaver Dog Handbook link I found about how soon the corpse is detectable, but according to those 26 stages of death, after 24 hours; (#19) there is a strong odor of rotting meat. I would think that is around the time (depending on temperature and humidity) that the dogs are able to perform their function. Maybe sooner, but it's been stressed that they don't hit on urine, blood, etc.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html That sounds right on the cadaver dogs . I tried that link too! I also wondered if she borrowed the shovel what did she use for the opposite action because she returned it after an hour or so.

[mu8shark]

I wonder if it has occured to Cindy and George that Caylee probably died in their home.It would kind of creep me out and I would not want to live there anymore. I am sure in the midst of all this they can't sell but afterwards it may be one of the many pieces they have to put back together.

[starlight2000]

This woman casey anthony is a psychopath… she is totally guilty!… no doubt in my mind!…. Lies and lies and more lies!!!

I have 3 theories: She used chloroform, and taped her mouth (in case if she woke up) and put her in the trunk of her car… little caylee died from the chloroform overdose... Or from the heat of being left inside the trunk….. That's why she backed up her car abd borrowed a shovel.

2nd theory
she left her unattended and lil' caylee drowned on the pool, (casey panicked) and had her in the trunk of her car till she decided what to do with her body!

3rd theory: "she had planned this all along"… which "all evidence indicates to this!
There's lots of evidence:
The search on her computer for- “chloroform- neckbreaking- missing kids, tv show about kidnapping, etc”...
The fact that she couldn’t party and be with "tony" (her boyfriend)… and her relationship with her mother cindy anthony, the jealousy against her own daughter etc, etc, etc. Drove het to do this horrible -horrible crime!

I’m inclined to believe the last theory: It was premeditated, she planned it……..and has shown no remorse or any emotion at all for all those months!

[mu8shark]

Okay one more final part of my theory, I just thought of this it is possible she left the body in the backyard on the 17th when the cell pings put her at her parents house and maybe the pings at the other areas are her cruising around for a permanent place to put the body. Because if she put Caylee in the backyard surely she realized it could only be a temporary place as leaving her there permanently and having her found in her backyard could tie the child to her, so maybe she left Caylee there on the 17th just for a short time, drove around to where the other pings are looking for the right place and right traffic flow. On the 18th she goes back, gets a shovel, not really wanting to get her hands dirty or touch Caylee too much and gets her, then returns the shovel. My other theory is that she put the clothes somewhere else on the 17th after she was at her parents house and that is what she means by they have not found the clothes. While they found a bathing suit, I am not sure if LE has found the clothes Caylee left the house in at 12:50 so maybe those are still out there.Okay I am done for the night!:seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

This woman casey anthony is a psychopath… she is totally guilty!… no doubt in my mind!…. Lies and lies and more lies!!!

I have 3 theories: She used chloroform, and taped her mouth (in case if she woke up) and put her in the trunk of her car… little caylee died from the chloroform overdose... Or from the heat of being left inside the trunk….. That's why she backed up her car abd borrowed a shovel.

2nd theory
she left her unattended and lil' caylee drowned on the pool, (casey panicked) and had her in the trunk of her car till she decided what to do with her body!

3rd theory: "she had planned this all along"… which "all evidence indicates to this!
There's lots of evidence:
The search on her computer for- “chloroform- neckbreaking- missing kids, tv show about kidnapping, etc”...
The fact that she couldn’t party and be with "tony" (her boyfriend)… and her relationship with her mother cindy anthony, the jealousy against her own daughter etc, etc, etc. Drove het to do this horrible -horrible crime!

I’m inclined to believe the last theory: It was premeditated, she planned it……..and has shown no remorse or any emotion at all for all those months!

Welcome Starlight! All good possibilities. Not sure what I think, just pretty darned sure that Casey did it and with some degree of premeditation. Still think there is plenty that the prosecution knows that we don't. Guess we might not have a clue what the official theory is until opening arguments.

[sharlock]

I'm so happy to see you back Sara. Sorry I didn't post earlier. I've been going through some stuff. My cousin's ex husband died unexpectedly at age 36 and her 2 boys are taking it rather hard. The oldest is 9 and he was very close to his father. So I've been trying to help out there.

Since I'm up due to my husband not being able to find his dress shoe and tearing the bedroom apart. Of course it's my 4 years olds fault for always wearing daddy's stuff and never putting it back. It couldn't be my husbands fault for letting his chit laying around everywhere right? Grrr..... Anyway. I'm up and I was thinking.....

I think what has me most upset with Cindy is why did she let Casey get away with her bad behavior for so long? There were so many things Cindy could have done to try to find out what was really going on in Casey's life. For instance the car Casey was driving was Cindy's right? Otherwise how could she report it stolen? So at some point Cindy could have said she had an appointment to take the car to the garage for something and that she would drop Caylee off at the nanny's and Casey off at work. Then she would have had some info on the nanny. Where she lived, what she looked like etc... She also could have taken a day off of work and followed Casey. She also could have said "now listen, until I meet that nanny and know exactly where you are going you are not using my car." I know this may sound borderline psycho but I can bet you my mom would have used all those tactics and more on me if she even suspected I was lying about where I was going. Also how is it that for 2 years Casey wasn't working and Cindy didn't know this? She could have just showed up for a surprise visit at Universal..... IMO Cindy knew what her daughter was and just brushed it all under the rug thinking well she's never done anything THAT bad.... I don't think Cindy had any idea that Casey could kill Caylee but she darn right knew she was a pathological liar and let it go.


Morning Danagher! Would you please let me know what my shadow is? I'm a Capricorn. TIA
I totally agree with you there A@O and I am so sorry to hear about the death of you cousin's husband. That is far too young to pass from this world and those poor little boys are far too young to have to deal with it. My only comfort is that I know what a wonderful person you are and how much help you will be to them as they grow.
:rose:May he rest in peace.

[sharlock]

Ahh so we have 3 Libra's here. Not surprised that 3 of the good posters were born under the sign of the "Scales of Justice" Of course all the signs have a hand in this, but Libra.. well they can't deal with what is unfair, AT ALL! They fight to the death for justice. No indecision when it comes to that! And Libra smells pretty too! :)
Awwghh you are too sweet, I am so glad that you joined us and I have a feeling your star sign should say caring conscientious and bloody funny when the mood calls for lightening; thanks for bringing the drinks with you too! And that goes for all our other new posters too!:seeya:

[sharlock]

This is OT but has anyone seen beemeup lately?
No sorry I haven't, hope she is alright!

[shadydaisy]

LOL!!! It has been said of Pisces that they are the 12th sign ie a composite of all the signs. It has also been written by traditional astrologers that Christ was indeed born in the Spring, not in December which is noted to be a pagan holiday adapted into Christianity. So the great old Guru's of Astrology has likened Pisces as the sign of the prophet Jesus who was fully evolved. So the opposite of Christ, would be the shadow. And you know who that is.. again, only the broken signs, as I call them, or the poor fallen angels who have been ravished by abuse would display the shadow. Not to worry Pisces is the healer, the compassionate one and the door mat. ;) All they do is give.

High five Java! I'm a also a Pisces. Shoot me, please shoot me! I want to be an Aries or a nice distinguished staunch, conservative Capricorn. :confused:

Capricorn here and yes, pretty conservative. I'm a little behind. C&G did not receive immunity, correct? Now what? Is there a thought that they, or at least one of them, could be charged in some sort of wrongdoing? Obstruction of justice?

[applesandorange]

Capricorn here and yes, pretty conservative. I'm a little behind. C&G did not receive immunity, correct? Now what? Is there a thought that they, or at least one of them, could be charged in some sort of wrongdoing? Obstruction of justice?

Good morning Shadydaisy. I hope you are keeping warm. We have a 2 hour delay today for the schools. Where did you hear about C&G not receiving immunity? I hadn't heard that. Just curious.

[applesandorange]

I totally agree with you there A@O and I am so sorry to hear about the death of you cousin's husband. That is far too young to pass from this world and those poor little boys are far too young to have to deal with it. My only comfort is that I know what a wonderful person you are and how much help you will be to them as they grow.
:rose:May he rest in peace.

Awww you are so sweet. Thank you for your kind words. :rose:

[applesandorange]

I don't know if they have been granted immunity or not. (I need to read more) but if they are going to be charged with obstruction, wouldn't they have been arrested by now? I don't know why or just how angry Cindy and George made the liar but she did overkill those people. She didn't miss her mark, that's for sure. She destroyed them damn good! Now tell me that isn't Satanic revenge!
If they get arrested it will be the end of them. Now for the count...


I haven't heard either way if they were granted immunity or not. Maybe if they weren't, LE is just waiting for Caylee's services to be over before charging them. IMO LE has show much more compassion than what was returned.

[applesandorange]

This is the latest that I could find on the immunity deal. It was published Jan.1, 2009.

Caylee Anthony's Grandparents Seek Immunity
Thursday, January 01, 2009

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Orange County Sheriff's Office


This undated photo shows missing girl Caylee Anthony reading a storybook police say they found in the woods near her family's home.
This undated photo shows missing girl Caylee Anthony reading a storybook police say they found in the woods near her family's home.
As investigators in Florida seek answers in the Caylee Anthony murder case, the grandparents of the girl are asking for immunity when questioned, the Orlando Sentinel reported Wednesday.

A lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony reportedly asked that the couple be protected when questioned by prosecutors regarding the case, the Sentinel reported. At this point, no deal has been set.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474746,00.html

[applesandorange]

Thank you A&O.
Good morning.. My world is an ice palace outside! Icicles dripping off my car!
Hope you are dealing with the sad times in your family alright. I'll send more prayers for all of you!


Good morning:seeya: It's all icy here too. The schools were delayed 2 hours. I'm dealing okay but prayers are always appreciated. Thank you :rose: I hope you are having a wonderful time with your sister and that she is tolerating the ice well. Pass a hot cup of cawfee to her from me.

[shadydaisy]

Good morning Shadydaisy. I hope you are keeping warm. We have a 2 hour delay today for the schools. Where did you hear about C&G not receiving immunity? I hadn't heard that. Just curious.

I was sitting in court yesterday and eavesdropping on the lawyers in front of me. I thought I heard them say that the A's were not given immunity but maybe they said they shouldn't be given immunity. I can't find anything written that is current either.

The ice is breaking my tree limbs. The evergreens are pointing downward. Please send some warm weather my way.

[Woostock]

We are in the throes of an ice storm here and school has been cancelled.
BTW, I am a Libra as well.
It was interesting to see how Casey's day goes..To me that would be a living hell...I hope it is to her as well...

[khristmaskathy]

I live in the Nashville area in TN; we have not gotten snow but tons of rain. It literally rained all day long and all night. The sun has finally come out though but I believe rain/snow is in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow. I am out of school until Monday because I am on the year-round schedule.

Everytime I hear Caylee sing "You Are My Sunshine" and say " are you tired, Papa?" it makes me cry. What a beautiful, sweet little girl and how could her mother kill her. I do not understand the evil in the world but it exists, that's for sure. It breaks my heart---Caylee could have had a loving home and a good life. Such a sad situation and it's all because of that totally evil witch sitting in prison right now. (My opinion but I'm sure others feel the same) I hope everybody has a good day! Take care :seeya:

[Gatordog]

Hi all you icicles out there. I wish I could send you some warm sunshine, but we're having a gloomy day here in Orlando too, just not icy.

So far no decision has come down yet whether or not anyone will be granted immunity or charged with any offenses. I think deals are being worked on in the background, out of the media's eye.

I forgot to tell you that yesterday, when I went to Hopespring Drive, I went passed the Anthony house. It has a different look to it. It looks abandoned, sorrowful. The grass is totally dead, the windows are sealed tight, the flag is gone, the LIVE LAUGH LOVE wooden signs are no longer on the house, it just looks sad. More than sad but I can't think of a word. :shrug: I hope the police don't give George back his gun or there might be a triple tragedy in that family.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Well at first I thought they were just looking for fibers when they took that bedding but they would not analyze a fiber that quickly from the crime scene, not quick enough to analyze and report back look for a bed linen fiber or whatever, a sheet or part of a sheet or a pillowcase on the other hand would not necessarily need analyzing right away, you could try to match it up by sight and what else was at the house. I am not sure Casey would have made the bed as part of a chore or to be neat but maybe to cover up. Cindy may though have in the course of just household duties stripped the bed and went to wash and thought, hmm, where is the bed sheet? Most people do that as a routine so if the sheet was missing surely Cindy went to wash them and missed it. Also my cousin feels like whatever happened to Caylee happened in that house,(after George left for work) like maybe she put chloroform on a sheet or pillow case and wrapped it around her and held it close to her mouth until it killed her. Then she was thinking of staging a drowning, thus those constant phone calls between about 3-5, for some reason changed her mind about that and threw Caylee in the trunk. I think it is more likely that she was killed in the trunk for some reason, there is not a lot of logic to my theory, except that lots of chloroform was found in the trunk. But if the sheet for instance were soaked with it, it could account for the chloroform in the trunk. All of this is just conjecture, I did not read any of it anywhere of course. But does anyone else think it possible Caylee was killed in the Anthony home??

Yes, I think she was killed in the house, after George left for work. I think she was intentionally drowned in the pool or the bathtub. I wrote my theory out about one week ago.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Something about this post made me wonder; if Casey and Cindy had The Big Blowup the night before, why did she even come back to the house less than twelve hours later? Sure, she knew Cindy was most likely at work, but was she there to try to get George to smooth things out with Cindy? And what happened during that visit to cause her to double back after George left and kill Caylee at the house? Something doesn't add up here in a BIG way. And it makes me doubt more than ever that George actually saw her that day, or is telling the truth about things being normal.

I think it was just her routine to go back to the house after George left. She probably would be back at 1:30 to 2:00 spend a couple of hours home and then leave and come back just after Cindy got home and made it look like she was just coming home from work. In this case, the murder happened and there was no need to come back after 4:30. It was time to party.

Gator

[Woostock]

Oh Gatordog
that sounds so awful about the house. One sociopath in a house can create a real hell hole. When parents come in for a conference at school, some will tell me what the kids do even at an early age. I tell all of them not to take the path of least resistance-the kids I have are in second grade mostly. I tell them if they don't they will have to move out when the kids get older.

[Woostock]

I wondered if she went back to the house after everyone was gone.. That seemed to be her MO...If she noticed Cindy or George was home she'd just go to the mall or something.

[shadydaisy]

Hi all you icicles out there. I wish I could send you some warm sunshine, but we're having a gloomy day here in Orlando too, just not icy.

So far no decision has come down yet whether or not anyone will be granted immunity or charged with any offenses. I think deals are being worked on in the background, out of the media's eye.

I forgot to tell you that yesterday, when I went to Hopespring Drive, I went passed the Anthony house. It has a different look to it. It looks abandoned, sorrowful. The grass is totally dead, the windows are sealed tight, the flag is gone, the LIVE LAUGH LOVE wooden signs are no longer on the house, it just looks sad. More than sad but I can't think of a word. :shrug: I hope the police don't give George back his gun or there might be a triple tragedy in that family.

Gator

I can't say I would be surprised that they have possibly relocated. I thought I heard that Lee moved back in with them. It's possible he is with them and they have all settled somewhere else. C&G have been awfully quiet, haven't they?

[Gatordog]

I can't say I would be surprised that they have possibly relocated. I thought I heard that Lee moved back in with them. It's possible he is with them and they have all settled somewhere else. C&G have been awfully quiet, haven't they?

They have been extremely quiet. The only time they have been spotted was going to church on Sunday. They have gone to the funeral home and spent time with Caylee's remains, they went to the Union Mission to see the children open their gifts donated in honor of Caylee, no pictures of either outing. I believe the media is giving them some space.

The saddest part of this is G&C would have been embraced by the public through their darkest days. Instead I think they are laying low not so much due to greiving, but embarrassment. They said some pretty awful things about and to people in defense of the Liar. They know now that all those protestors were right, the police were right. I think they don't want to be seen out of shame for their behavior and for what their daughter did to their beautiful, loving granddaughter. :o The longer they stay behind closed doors, the more difficult it becomes. At this point, they should come out and just thank everyone for their support and for respecting their privacy.

Gator

[Woostock]

BeemeUp
are you a teacher? Yes, the parents need to take charge but for some reason they don't. I think they are afraid the kids won't like them....but the alternative is a possible CASEY...that ought to scare people, even the remote chance ....seriously we mostly see bratty type kids and they run the house. I think the situation will eat at George and I hate to say this but I wonder if he would never get over this and do something drastic...

[browneyes106]

I think it was just her routine to go back to the house after George left. She probably would be back at 1:30 to 2:00 spend a couple of hours home and then leave and come back just after Cindy got home and made it look like she was just coming home from work. In this case, the murder happened and there was no need to come back after 4:30. It was time to party.

Gator

Also Casey used to pretend that she had to work night events at Universal. I remember the police saying they found fake emails about events at Universal that took place at night. It possible there were times she stayed home during the day and pretended to work at night when she was really partying with friends. I also remember the police saying that a few of her friends said she and Caylee would sometimes visit them during the day.

[One2Snoop]

Judge to address limits on images of Caylee Anthony's remains
Sarah Lundy and Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writers
12:27 PM EST, January 7, 2009

Casey Anthony's attorney today responded to prosecutors' request to limit what the defense team can do with the photos and X-rays of Caylee Marie Anthony's remains.

Jose Baez wrote in a motion that restrictions will place an undue burden - both logistically and financially - on the defense. The issue will be addressed Thursday at a hearing before Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland, who had previously ordered the state to release the images to Baez by this week.

Prosecutors asked Strickland to restrict what Baez can do with the three discs they are going to release.

The state doesn't want Baez to be able to copy, print or reproduce the images -- including sending them in the mail or over the Internet. And prosecutors want to ensure the photos remain with Baez and in the courts' jurisdiction. And defense experts must view them in Baez's presence. Baez argued in his two-page motion that most of the defense experts who would review the images are out of state. And he points out that the state's experts were allowed to take samples out of the state, including labs in Indiana and Virginia.

Meanwhile, local and federal investigators met with prosecutors this morning at the State Attorney's Office.

Sheriff's Office Sgt. John Allen and FBI Special Agent Nick Savage left about 11:30 a.m. and said it was a routine meeting to discuss the case.

Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, also met with prosecutors this morning. Conway said the meeting was related to state's motion about the images. The Anthonys were not there.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010709,0,7673697.story

[One2Snoop]

Media frenzy can't penetrate Casey Anthony's cell
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 7, 2009

But the most high-profile inmate at the Orange County Jail gets most of her news the old-fashioned way -- on a small transistor radio from inside her 7-foot-by-12-foot cell in the county's female detention center.

"[Anthony] has very limited access to the outside world," jail spokesman Allen Moore said. "She's not watching Nancy Grace." (Darn!)

The question of Anthony's connection to the outside world surfaced after an attorney for her parents, George and Cindy Anthony, said in a statement that they intend to have a public memorial service for their granddaughter, Caylee Marie, whose skeletal remains were found in a wooded lot near her home Dec. 11.

Officials have confirmed that Anthony, who is being held without bail and charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, won't be
allowed to leave the jail to attend any service for Caylee.

No date or time for the service has been announced.

Jail officials said Tuesday they have not yet decided whether Anthony would be allowed to watch the service on television.

She has no limit on her Sony SRF 39FP, a $21 radio she bought from the jail's commissary. It's specifically designed for inmates in U.S. corrections facilities: Its transparent case is supposed to prevent inmates from using it to conceal things.

The main reason for Casey Anthony's limited access to television news is her Level 1 protective-custody status -- triggered in part by her notoriety.

That level of security is given to high-profile inmates such as Lisa Nowak and Lou Pearlman, who generate massive amounts of media coverage. Anthony and six others are currently in Level 1 status.

"The protective status helps avoid situations that will affect the inmate's safety or the jail's operation," Moore said.

Because Anthony is kept isolated from other inmates, she spends most of her time alone in her cell, without a clear view of the television set located in that part of the female-detention center.

That television, which only receives local stations, is rarely turned on because of the "mix of psychological observation and disciplinary classifications of the inmates" in protective custody, Moore said.

However, Anthony can request to watch television during the one hour per day she is allowed out of her cell. The hour is normally reserved for showers and other activities.

"A corrections officer will stay with her in an adjacent classroom to supervise while she watches television," Moore said.

Inmates who are not in protective custody have more television access.

All inmates can subscribe to newspapers, but they are not distributed in common areas at the jail. She and other inmates do not have access to the Internet.

Incoming mail is opened and reviewed by mailroom staffers for contraband and outgoing mail is sometimes opened, officials said.

Although the jail keeps a log of her visitors, and records all phone calls and video visitations, officials do not track what Casey Anthony watches on television. Moore said it's unclear how much television she watches

For the time being, Anthony's limited connection to the outside is mainly her radio and the snippets she overhears from other inmates.

"She may not be in contact with other inmates, but she can hear what they are saying outside her cell," Moore said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caseytv0709jan07,0,3317271.story

[Gatordog]

Yesterday I posted that I was going to spread sunflower seeds to grow flowers where Caylee was found. I said I had a package at my desk. I tried to scan it in but it doesn't work. The seed packet has a cute drawing of a little girl with pigtails holding a teddy bear. It says plant a sunflower, make the world a little brighter. :)

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks Justice-i know i have found my niche. Keep typing good for the hands right? Sorry that you have pain tho. Yes i am a good speller most of the time but bad typist. I am walking proof that menopause sucks brain juice cuz i find myself searching my brain for words i used to know how to spell so well HA!!! I hit it early in life. I find the spelling thing just never came back. Oh well could be worse. It's just fun to be here with such a bright group.

Saw the other day that one of the symptoms of CRS disease is that you have trouble telling the difference between what you saw on TV, what you dreamed and what really happened. That's the point I'm at. Somewere between menopause and death.:D:biggrin::D

[browneyes106]

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/37093144.html

This case could be similar to Caylee's.

[Gatordog]

Gee Gator, I got a solemn visual of the Anthony house when I read your post (which I can't find now) I felt the deep sadness and the terrible end result of power plays and ego wars. (add an innocent baby to the mix along with mental illness) When I see their home in my mind I think of the old saying, "Do not remove a fly from your enemy's forehead with an ax."

Cindy was a strong personality IMO and the punishment for that could have been less harsh. There were a million solutions to that problem for Casey and Caylee. (If Cindy was the problem) Shelters, some free counseling and some job training are available to young mothers with no where to go.

Integrity on its own has helped 3rd world country war victims with children to feed, to find a way to survive. For the life of me, i cannot understand why Casey had no survival instincts and there is where I have to blame her mental health. Selfishness and being spoiled, spite, and Cindy's poor mothering skills on their own, are not enough to convince me that she had to hurt that beautiful Caylee. She's nuts. She's evil. She's pond scum. May she rot from the inside out with the bible in her hand. There is no amnesty for her.

Anyway, but for losing her freedom to go party, she's not sorry.

:mad:







It's all so unreal, yet so real. Dammit!

Yes, it's sad. They spent so much time manicuring their lawn and making the house look nice, now it's all dead. It's kind of creepy, macabre. It's like the life of the house has disappeared.

I was watching some of the video clips two days ago trying to find the zani with the key dialogue. I saw one instance when Cindy was sobbing, she said she just wants Caylee to come home. They can work out whatever problems they have - if Casey doesn't want to work, she doesn't have to. They'll figure it all out just as long as they can both come home. It's was pitiful. I truly believe that at that point, she thought that the Liar had hidden Caylee away someplace or gave her away. When she said that the Liar didn't have to work that they would figure it out. I thought, there she goes again, bending over backwards to make the brat happy. It seems that Cindy would make a demand, the Liar would counteract with a threat, and then Cindy would back down and make it all better - the Liar's way.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

That's what I think too. He's going to pull a Geragos and it will backfire on him just like it did on Mark. Maybe I'm not imaginative enough, but I can't think of a single thing they can do to create reasonable doubt.

Her car tested for decomposition because someone stole her car and drove it around with a dead body for a couple of days. Nah, that doesn't make sense.

The hair found in the trunk could have been Casey's. Oh, wait -- it came from a dead body and Casey is alive. Can't use that either.

Casey was earnestly looking for her missing daughter by telling lie after lie and misleading the police because . . . why? That makes no sense no matter how you fill in the blanks.

Casey stole money from Amy and used it to buy stuff for herself and, honest, whatever was left over would be spent looking for Caylee. No, the jury will be thinking WTF is she talking about.

I could keep going, but what would be the point? There isn't a single thing I can think of that would make me go "Ummm --- you know, maybe someone else really did murder Caylee and this poor girl may have been wrongly accused."

Anyone???

I held out in my belief "guilty until proven innocent" until the hair of a dead person was found in the trunk and it was obvious Casey was not dead. I thought maybe Kaycie was just a scared young woman who was afraid to tell the truth. But that hair and the other evidence from the trunk sealed it for me. Know what, I believe that if she had gotten rid of the body before the odor started, this might have turned out as a simple missing person case.

[browneyes106]

Media frenzy can't penetrate Casey Anthony's cell
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 7, 2009

But the most high-profile inmate at the Orange County Jail gets most of her news the old-fashioned way -- on a small transistor radio from inside her 7-foot-by-12-foot cell in the county's female detention center.

"[Anthony] has very limited access to the outside world," jail spokesman Allen Moore said. "She's not watching Nancy Grace." (Darn!)

The question of Anthony's connection to the outside world surfaced after an attorney for her parents, George and Cindy Anthony, said in a statement that they intend to have a public memorial service for their granddaughter, Caylee Marie, whose skeletal remains were found in a wooded lot near her home Dec. 11.

Officials have confirmed that Anthony, who is being held without bail and charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, won't be
allowed to leave the jail to attend any service for Caylee.

No date or time for the service has been announced.

Jail officials said Tuesday they have not yet decided whether Anthony would be allowed to watch the service on television.

She has no limit on her Sony SRF 39FP, a $21 radio she bought from the jail's commissary. It's specifically designed for inmates in U.S. corrections facilities: Its transparent case is supposed to prevent inmates from using it to conceal things.

The main reason for Casey Anthony's limited access to television news is her Level 1 protective-custody status -- triggered in part by her notoriety.

That level of security is given to high-profile inmates such as Lisa Nowak and Lou Pearlman, who generate massive amounts of media coverage. Anthony and six others are currently in Level 1 status.

"The protective status helps avoid situations that will affect the inmate's safety or the jail's operation," Moore said.

Because Anthony is kept isolated from other inmates, she spends most of her time alone in her cell, without a clear view of the television set located in that part of the female-detention center.

That television, which only receives local stations, is rarely turned on because of the "mix of psychological observation and disciplinary classifications of the inmates" in protective custody, Moore said.

However, Anthony can request to watch television during the one hour per day she is allowed out of her cell. The hour is normally reserved for showers and other activities.

"A corrections officer will stay with her in an adjacent classroom to supervise while she watches television," Moore said.

Inmates who are not in protective custody have more television access.

All inmates can subscribe to newspapers, but they are not distributed in common areas at the jail. She and other inmates do not have access to the Internet.

Incoming mail is opened and reviewed by mailroom staffers for contraband and outgoing mail is sometimes opened, officials said.

Although the jail keeps a log of her visitors, and records all phone calls and video visitations, officials do not track what Casey Anthony watches on television. Moore said it's unclear how much television she watches

For the time being, Anthony's limited connection to the outside is mainly her radio and the snippets she overhears from other inmates.

"She may not be in contact with other inmates, but she can hear what they are saying outside her cell," Moore said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caseytv0709jan07,0,3317271.story

I wonder if she hears them calling her a sick *****.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony Hearing Set For Thursday
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:11:39 PM

ORLANDO -- Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, is fighting back against the latest request from the sheriff's office.

This week, Baez is expected to get the photos taken from where Caylee's remains were found last month. He’ll also get photos from the toddler’s autopsy.

However, a motion has been filed to put limits on what Baez can do with the three discs they will release. Prosecutors don't want Baez to be able to reproduce the images, including sending them in the mail or over the Internet. They say they want to make sure the images aren't used for commercial gain.

Baez is objecting to the request. He said is puts an undue burden on them both financially and logistically to prepare for trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.html

[FDInLaw]

Casey Anthony Hearing Set For Thursday
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 1:11:39 PM

ORLANDO -- Casey Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, is fighting back against the latest request from the sheriff's office.

This week, Baez is expected to get the photos taken from where Caylee's remains were found last month. He’ll also get photos from the toddler’s autopsy.

However, a motion has been filed to put limits on what Baez can do with the three discs they will release. Prosecutors don't want Baez to be able to reproduce the images, including sending them in the mail or over the Internet. They say they want to make sure the images aren't used for commercial gain.

Baez is objecting to the request. He said is puts an undue burden on them both financially and logistically to prepare for trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.htmlSerious ly, we live in a sick world. Financial gain? These are pics of their client's child. I agree with the motion.

[Justice Denied?]

No matter how you slice it; Caylee was dead in the back yard of the Anthonys' house. Period. Why would she have come back to the house to kill Caylee? And did she just act blase for George's benefit? Or was it George who pissed her off that day instead of Cindy the night before? Or was The Big Blow Up all a lie? Or is George a liar too? Why leave and cool off for hours and then come back and kill Caylee??

That is the problem, Loretta. We do not have enough factual information to come up with any correct answers. Everyone has lied until trying to figure anything out almost drives you crazy. Though I do think some of the theories here are very good.

[applesandorange]

I was sitting in court yesterday and eavesdropping on the lawyers in front of me. I thought I heard them say that the A's were not given immunity but maybe they said they shouldn't be given immunity. I can't find anything written that is current either.

The ice is breaking my tree limbs. The evergreens are pointing downward. Please send some warm weather my way.


Thanks for letting us know. If you hear any more information from lawyers be sure to post it. It's interesting to hear what other lawyers think of Baez and this case. Maybe they hear things we aren't privy to.

[applesandorange]

I live in the Nashville area in TN; we have not gotten snow but tons of rain. It literally rained all day long and all night. The sun has finally come out though but I believe rain/snow is in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow. I am out of school until Monday because I am on the year-round schedule.

Everytime I hear Caylee sing "You Are My Sunshine" and say " are you tired, Papa?" it makes me cry. What a beautiful, sweet little girl and how could her mother kill her. I do not understand the evil in the world but it exists, that's for sure. It breaks my heart---Caylee could have had a loving home and a good life. Such a sad situation and it's all because of that totally evil witch sitting in prison right now. (My opinion but I'm sure others feel the same) I hope everybody has a good day! Take care :seeya:


We all agree with you Kathy. Such a sad case. A beautiful little life lost to the hands of something so evil.

[applesandorange]

Oh gawd thank you thank you-now i know i am normal HA!!! Where did the multi tasking skills go as well. Yes i have a very bad habit of falling asleep to the tv. So to all u youngins out there contemplating putting a tv in your bedroom-Dont go there!!!! it does get better when u get thru but for me its the multi tasking that makes me crazy. My boss could walk in and tell me 6 things to take care of. All good then it seemed one day i woke up and i had to write down all 6 things and then leave myself notes to remember to check the notes HA!!!! I am getting better.


Heck I just call that mommy brain :hat: Ever since I had kids I have CRS syndrome. I litterally at age 29 need to write everything down of I forget it. If it gets worse with age I will have Alzheimers by the time I'm 35 :eek:

[applesandorange]

Thanks Gator. Good post! I agree that they should come out and let go of their pride. I give them both a free ticket for the mania during this past few months. The events they lived with are brain breakers. And I believe that if they were the average family, not only would they have support, they would be grateful for that support and say so publicly. As we know they are not shy in front of camera's nor do they have problems communicating through spokes persons.

However, (here I go again) It must be incomprehensible to them that what happened, really did happen and the sheer humiliating saga must seem like an Odyssey of the worst kind. It can't be easy to reappear in public on any level.

I also sensed that one or both of them may not survive it all. I felt George especially would die of it, months ago.


I agree with both you and Gator BUT I reserve the right to disagree if the A's support Casey and/ or are unhelpful to LE at this point or any point in the future.

[applesandorange]

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/37093144.html

This case could be similar to Caylee's.

The family didn't report the 11 year old boy missing?! Something happened to him and I betcha once again it was the parents. Grrr.... there are too many of these cases.

[applesandorange]

Hi all you icicles out there. I wish I could send you some warm sunshine, but we're having a gloomy day here in Orlando too, just not icy.

So far no decision has come down yet whether or not anyone will be granted immunity or charged with any offenses. I think deals are being worked on in the background, out of the media's eye.

I forgot to tell you that yesterday, when I went to Hopespring Drive, I went passed the Anthony house. It has a different look to it. It looks abandoned, sorrowful. The grass is totally dead, the windows are sealed tight, the flag is gone, the LIVE LAUGH LOVE wooden signs are no longer on the house, it just looks sad. More than sad but I can't think of a word. :shrug: I hope the police don't give George back his gun or there might be a triple tragedy in that family.

Gator


That's so sad Gator. They removed signs from their house? They are either moving or taking this extremely hard. Almost like Caylee was their happiness, their everything. So so sad. I agree that George might do the unthinkable if he has a gun. He is ex LE, his daughter killed his granddaughter, I think George will fall a part.

[Justice Denied?]

I don't know if they have been granted immunity or not. (I need to read more) but if they are going to be charged with obstruction, wouldn't they have been arrested by now? I don't know why or just how angry Cindy and George made the liar but she did overkill those people. She didn't miss her mark, that's for sure. She destroyed them damn good! Now tell me that isn't Satanic revenge!
If they get arrested it will be the end of them. Now for the count...

Just me guessing, but I do not think that LE would arrest George or Cindy before Caylee is laid to rest. Would be just too cruel.

[shadydaisy]

Yesterday I posted that I was going to spread sunflower seeds to grow flowers where Caylee was found. I said I had a package at my desk. I tried to scan it in but it doesn't work. The seed packet has a cute drawing of a little girl with pigtails holding a teddy bear. It says plant a sunflower, make the world a little brighter. :)

Gator

Great idea, sunflowers are my favorites. Unfortunately, they are also a favorite of the overabundant deer in my area.

Thanks for letting us know. If you hear any more information from lawyers be sure to post it. It's interesting to hear what other lawyers think of Baez and this case. Maybe they hear things we aren't privy to.

My days of hanging around in court rooms is coming to an end. I have left the DOC after 25 years and am now working in the private sector. I am named on several lawsuits by inmates against the DOC and will have to appear in court for those cases as they come up. I'll eavesdrop when I'm there. I finally left prison and now I'm following this story....

[applesandorange]

Great idea, sunflowers are my favorites. Unfortunately, they are also a favorite of the overabundant deer in my area.



My days of hanging around in court rooms is coming to an end. I have left the DOC after 25 years and am now working in the private sector. I am named on several lawsuits by inmates against the DOC and will have to appear in court for those cases as they come up. I'll eavesdrop when I'm there. I finally left prison and now I'm following this story....


Good for you! Spending 25 years! I'm glad you are out of there and get to join us :beer:

[applesandorange]

No i call it KRAFT disease= Kant remember an effing thing :hat:


HAHAHAHA!! Good one!! i'll remember that one!!:beer:

[Gatordog]

I agree with both you and Gator BUT I reserve the right to disagree if the A's support Casey and/ or are unhelpful to LE at this point or any point in the future.

Absolutely! I agree to agree :beer:

[applesandorange]

Absolutely! I agree to agree :beer:


:beer: Gator! Thanks for having the kind thought of trying to plant sunflowers! That's so sweet. I'm going to message you with my e-mail so even if this thread isn't active come Spring time you can let me know if anything grew. If you would please.

[applesandorange]

MOO but the Ants have 2 choices they can step up to the plate for Caylee and make some sort of public acknowlegment of such or they can defend the Liar. I get they made alot of mistakes but if they are willing to at least make a statement on Caylee's behalf out of their love for her i think the court of public opine would change. I dont give a flying monkey's yadayada how they support the Liar privately. If they choose to do so in public then they have made their bed and can lie in it. MOO

ITA!! Good post beem!

[applesandorange]

And yes i do expect them to fully co-operate with LE. I think the next few days/weeks will be very telling as to where G&C true loyalty and love is. It kinda makes me shudder to think????

Yes it makes me shudder too. Especially after G saying he would like to see Casey in jail and see how she is and talk to her.

[shadydaisy]

Good for you! Spending 25 years! I'm glad you are out of there and get to join us :beer:

When I started I never thought it would be for that long. I began for the DOC, right out of college, when prisons began the accreditation process. By the time the State had them all accredited, the first ones were due for re-accreditation. I have held an office in many State prisons, but never a woman's prison, which is weird since there is one about 10 minutes from my house. The one Joann Chesimard escaped from, if anyone remembers her.


beemeupgoing part time sounds like a good idea. Save your sanity. I forget how the "real" world office life worked. My mom is from Valleyfield, Quebec and all her family is still there. Canada does have some unusual spending habits!

It's been a pleasure following everyone's comments and views. I've never been able to *talk* about stuff like this before.

[deacon]

Ahh Virgo is the OCD shadow. The shadow mind you, is living in an imperfect world and it gets them in the stomach. Not an easy sign to be. Without them we would have no order and no surgery. They are precise. My best friend was Virgo, may she RIP and she was my walking dictionary.

Oh Lord, add to the list Safety Professional. Details, details, details.

[Justice Denied?]

Thats my thinking they are waiting till Caylee is laid to rest. If they were going to give them immunity i would think it would be said by now???? That would be the kind thing to wait. What a friggin mess. Part of me feels sorry and yet another part feels you brought it on. However in death you cant help but sympathize.:rose:

Yes, I do feel sorry for George and Cindy, but still can't help but feel they brought it on themselves. However, we all do the best we can to raise our kids and sometimes we make mistakes. The thing is they were never required to lie and they didn't have to be part of a coverup (if they were). They made that decision on their own. And I personally think they should pay for whatever their involvement is.

[deacon]

Well at first I thought they were just looking for fibers when they took that bedding but they would not analyze a fiber that quickly from the crime scene, not quick enough to analyze and report back look for a bed linen fiber or whatever, a sheet or part of a sheet or a pillowcase on the other hand would not necessarily need analyzing right away, you could try to match it up by sight and what else was at the house. I am not sure Casey would have made the bed as part of a chore or to be neat but maybe to cover up. Cindy may though have in the course of just household duties stripped the bed and went to wash and thought, hmm, where is the bed sheet? Most people do that as a routine so if the sheet was missing surely Cindy went to wash them and missed it. Also my cousin feels like whatever happened to Caylee happened in that house,(after George left for work) like maybe she put chloroform on a sheet or pillow case and wrapped it around her and held it close to her mouth until it killed her. Then she was thinking of staging a drowning, thus those constant phone calls between about 3-5, for some reason changed her mind about that and threw Caylee in the trunk. I think it is more likely that she was killed in the trunk for some reason, there is not a lot of logic to my theory, except that lots of chloroform was found in the trunk. But if the sheet for instance were soaked with it, it could account for the chloroform in the trunk. All of this is just conjecture, I did not read any of it anywhere of course. But does anyone else think it possible Caylee was killed in the Anthony home??


Ah Ha, if they found sheets and a pillow then this could also lead to a place of death and a cause of death. Place of death because there would be evidence that the sheet/pillow was used as a method of death. DNA laden material would be left at the time of death as well as any chemical used as a murder weapon. Place of death would be evident because of where these things came from. The only place she could have gotten them was the a's house. The walls may be closing in on her.

[Gatordog]

Brad Conway met with LE today. George and Cindy agree with the state regarding the use of Caylee's photos. They want limits on how Baez can use them and who can see them. We are making progress. It may be baby steps but this is the right decision. WESH had the report and they are going to have more news at 6.

Gator

http://www.wesh.com/news/18422273/detail.html

[Amy]

Oooh, that would be heinous! Isn't cheap plane ticket purchase a 90 day advance? It would make sense that planning started in March. For Puerto Rico, I mean...

But, WHY didn't she go to PR? Caylee was gone by then. Nothing holding her down or back. The other tickets were already on her mom's credit card. Why not add another for her, and go?

[Woostock]

Beemeup
I can't even imagine living like that. Casey loved to be out and about with her lover of the moment and going out to nightclubs...don't you think she is going to find her new life the pitts??? Maybe I am just projecting but I think it's as bad as it gets...I couldn't take it for a day never mind the rest of my life...and this is not temporary it's forever...

[Amy]

Amy,

Now this sounds like good ole plain common sense to me. It wasn't any wierd, twisted reason she killed Caylee. She was jealous and wanted to punish Cindy. I feel that is why Cindy did not look harder for Caylee.

Speaking of which, in the 911 calls, Cindy says her daughter has been missing but they found her today but her granddaughter is still missing and has been kidnapped. Yet she says she heard from Casey every day. Now which is it?

Again, very good thinking on your part!:beer: Keep up the good work.

They do need to settle on one story about whether or not Cindy was in contact w/Casey every day, either by phone or text (not George, tho. George is specific in his interview that it is "his wife" that was in contact w/her.) I agree---which is it? Of course, being in contact w/one by cell phone does NOT mean that one knows where the other party is @ any given moment, just that they are alive and talking.

[Gatordog]

MOO but i think the Liar is all good for now-as i said earlier 3 hots and a cot. I dont have to work yadayada. Not that the rest of us so called norms think that way. She has her radio and noshing on prison snacks in her eyes life probably has never been better. No worries as to who i am going to con next and what group i can insinuate myself into that has not caught on to me. I dont have to listen to Cindy or what was it she referred her daughter to in a text way back-was it not the snot head???? Gawd:rose:

Don't forget right now she's in a county jail. When she's found guilty, she will be going to a prison and it won't be as easy as she has it now. Wait until she has to wash 1,000 sheets a day or wash the floors or :D clean toilets.

Gator

[Amy]

The shadow for Libra is "In-decision" Don't take Libra to the Ice Cream Palor that advertises 101 flavors! :-) They are the "Fence Sitters of the Zodiac.

:biggrin:

LOL. Baskin Robin's 31 flavor had just started up when I went to college a....hmm few years ago. People tho't I was NUTS when I ordered vanilla--just couldn't figure all those other flavors!!!!

[Gatordog]

Beemeup
I can't even imagine living like that. Casey loved to be out and about with her lover of the moment and going out to nightclubs...don't you think she is going to find her new life the pitts??? Maybe I am just projecting but I think it's as bad as it gets...I couldn't take it for a day never mind the rest of my life...and this is not temporary it's forever...

When she's found guilty, it's going to get worse. From what I hear, county jail is like a country club compared to to a prison. When she gets put in a cell with drug dealers and gang members she's going to :chicken:

Gator

[Amy]

I agree it bugs me to see LB and DL on Entertainment Tonight. It is tragic that DL will grow up without a mother but LB doesn't need always bring that up to the media. There are other men in his position. I have friend who is a single dad of 3 year old little girl. He was engaged to the mother and two years the mother was killed in a car wreck. My friend had career plans of becoming a sports agent and attorney and right now he is working to save up to eventually go to law school and have money for his daughter. So LB should realize he isn't the only single father in America.

I don't know all the particulars about LB's financial set-up (but, isn't he in control of the $$$ that comes to DL?) but even w/out consideration of what might come to him for support of DL, I'm betting he was sitting a whole lot prettier than most single dads--or moms, for that matter. Like, he could hire any amount of help--for one, bet he doesn't do his own cooking, laundry or housework like most single parents have to. Probably doesn't even have to drive his own car, for Pete's sake!!!! That means, go to work (if he does--what DOES he do?) and spend time with DL. Now, how hard is that?

[Woostock]

Gatordog
I didn't even think of that. You are right, this is just the beginning, starts off not too bad,,,,,,next move it really the pitts. She will HATE it I bet. Having to clean and I bet the authorities don't tolerate any crap from the inmates....Her life will do a 360....

[One2Snoop]

When she's found guilty, it's going to get worse. From what I hear, county jail is like a country club compared to to a prison. When she gets put in a cell with drug dealers and gang members she's going to :chicken:

Gator

Any idea what prison she'll go to?

[Gatordog]

But, WHY didn't she go to PR? Caylee was gone by then. Nothing holding her down or back. The other tickets were already on her mom's credit card. Why not add another for her, and go?

Because she didn't want to leave her new lover, Tony.

[Amy]

I don't know if FW's the one that started the thread or not but it appears she deleted all her posts before she left and alot of stuff in other forums ended up in the proverbial black hole because of it. I'm thinking that's what happened to Nona's condolence thread? Any idea who started it? It's the only explanation I've been able to come up with.



According to jail officials she's not been provided any special concessions throughout this entire ordeal, not sure why they would allow her to watch Caylee's memorial if it's televised. I've also heard it's supposed to be private so not sure how they would provide Casey with special viewing privileges. It would be foolish (boarding on favoritism) on their part IMO so I just don't see it happening.

It seems she has been allowed to watch tv up to this point? Wasn't it posted that she was watching tv when they found stuff w/Padilla's dives and there was no reaction, but when they were showing the scene where Caylee was found, she got upset? I was thinking that she had been watching tv @ these times?

[Spider]

Well she is obviously not grieving her dead child. I have not heard one report of her shedding a tear. Even when she was informed they found her she had a panic attack.....not a grief attack. Now she is past even the panic. I cannot imagine any parent who has lost a child even being able to eat, much less lounging about reading, snacking and jamming to the radio. She is probably wondering who will play her in the made for TV movie. Any network that airs such a movie will be banned from my home.

Does anyone know if the state of Florida will allow her or her family to profit on this in anyway?

And the fact that Jose BS is whining about restrictions on the autopsy photos....my brain just can't take that. Any real human being would have no question to agreeing to such restrictions. That proves he is truly a bottom sucking scum feeder. Just how is the world would NOT having restrictions benefit him or the defense in any way other than financially. Scumbag. I think the state of Florida ought to disbar him for making all other attorneys looks bad. And he had the nerve to state that ZG was seeking fame and money? I'm going to go and vomit now.

[Amy]

I missed out on the info about her new group of friends and did I read that she paid for all of their tickets?

It's my understanding (and don't know where the link would be--in text transcripts? in someone's LE or FBI transcripts?) that Casey had put Amy's and Ricardo's? tickets on her mom's credit cards, and that they were to pay her back. I am wondering if, that means, they would pay Cindy "cash" via Casey, who would have pocketed the money? My question is, Caylee was gone by the time either Ricardo OR Amy went to PR---so why didn't Casey go also? After all, what was one more ticket on her mom's cc?

[Gatordog]

Well she is obviously not grieving her dead child. I have not heard one report of her shedding a tear. Even when she was informed they found her she had a panic attack.....not a grief attack. Now she is past even the panic. I cannot imagine any parent who has lost a child even being able to eat, much less lounging about reading, snacking and jamming to the radio. She is probably wondering who will play her in the made for TV movie. Any network that airs such a movie will be banned from my home.

Does anyone know if the state of Florida will allow her or her family to profit on this in anyway?

And the fact that Jose BS is whining about restrictions on the autopsy photos....my brain just can't take that. Any real human being would have no question to agreeing to such restrictions. That proves he is truly a bottom sucking scum feeder. Just how is the world would NOT having restrictions benefit him or the defense in any way other than financially. Scumbag. I think the state of Florida ought to disbar him for making all other attorneys looks bad. And he had the nerve to state that ZG was seeking fame and money? I'm going to go and vomit now.

From what I read, the defense team is allowed to profit from books or movie deals only if the client is found not guilty. The parents are not restricted in receiving money on publicity deals.

[Amy]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Gator

THE WHOLE WORLD knows that this "Zenaida Gonzalez" is not the "Zenaida Gonzalez" that Casey Anthony referred to as the nanny. First of all, because THE WHOLE WORLD knows the nanny is figment of Casey's imagination. And, if this Zenaida's pic was one of those shown to Casey, Casey did NOT recognize her. So, it that is the whole reason for the lawsuit (as expressed in this article) then it could be dropped tomorrow. Even today.

So, the Monday pc for the investigators didn't occur? Gee, did anyone fall off their chairs in surprise? lol (Sorry, been sick since Monday, so am just catching up on things.)

[Amy]

BWAAAAHAHA Loretta and Danagher aren't as horrible as G&C!! :hat:

Okay, seriously. I don't even know if I'll believe G&C under oath. Lying seems to come as naturally to them as it does to Casey.

I can see them being asked a question, and when the answer is different than anything else they have said about that particular question, "So, Mrs. Anthony, were you lying when you were being interviewed by LE? Or, were you lying when you were being interviewed by FBI? Or, were you lying when you were on NG (GMA, SVG, LKL?) Or, are you lying now? WHICH answer are we to take as the TRUTH to this question? Sorry, Mrs. Anthony, you obviously LIED several times on this point, why would we believe that your answer TODAY is the truth?"

[SuzDuJour]

Hi to all you nice folks...I've been lurking awhile, but this is my first post!

Here is some interesting cadaver dog info:

One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

I couldn't really determine how long/soon detection can begin after death, but it certainly seems a body doesn't have to be in one location for very long before a dog can detect the scent.

Regards!

Susan

[applesandorange]

Hi to all you nice folks...I've been lurking awhile, but this is my first post!

Here is some interesting cadaver dog info:

One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

I couldn't really determine how long/soon detection can begin after death, but it certainly seems a body doesn't have to be in one location for very long before a dog can detect the scent.

Regards!

Susan


Thanks for posting this. It is very interesting. Now I don't have a doubt in my mind Caylee was in the backyard of the A's at some point.

[Amy]

Yea! http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/party/party0019.gif (http://www.thescubasite.com/Scuba-Diving-Locations/)

I can't remember when she gave the babysitter a name. Was she using Zenaida's name before all this started or was it after she was backed into a corner? No one has met this invisible nanny, no one has talked with her, and no one knows where she lives (apparently not even Casey). You're right -- this case is full of mysteries. I hope most of them are answered at trial.

In one of her conversations--was it to a reporter, or was it in one of her LE/FBI interviews--Cindy says, oh, yes, she has heard the name Zanny the nanny for a year and a half now. But, do we believe that? Mr Grund does say that, in 2006 (May?) when he tells Casey his family can no longer be Caylee's babysitters, that Casey says, no problem, just that day she had hired a nanny named Zanny.

[Amy]

Only remains I have see were Black Dahlia. I mean Caylee was just bones so why would we even care. Isn't it enough she is found and can be put to rest?????????? IMO

For that matter, I guess anyone could find small bones somewhere and photograph them and put them out as Caylee's--and who is to know the difference? It very well could be there is some brainless bozo out there who would do this, without consulting anyone.

[applesandorange]

In one of her conversations--was it to a reporter, or was it in one of her LE/FBI interviews--Cindy says, oh, yes, she has heard the name Zanny the nanny for a year and a half now. But, do we believe that? Mr Grund does say that, in 2006 (May?) when he tells Casey his family can no longer be Caylee's babysitters, that Casey says, no problem, just that day she had hired a nanny named Zanny.


I remember that too. Makes me think she had heard of other mothers using Xanax to make their babies sleep and Casey thought right away that's what she'd do. When she some how came across Zenaida's info at the apartment she thought ah ha well now I have a full name. How convenient.

[Amy]

Which leads me to a question, how long does a body have to be in a spot or area before a cadaver dog has a strong alert. In other words if the body was just in the house for say an hour or so, would the dogs alert? I don't know how long it takes but I can look for that info. And yes, on the planned out drama bombing, this is exactly what my cousins theory is that she got voicemail over and over and thought aw forget it, by now someone will say I should have called 911 anyways..

During the Laci case, there was discussions about the cadaver dogs, and it seems that decomp actually starts immediately. I don't have any links, tho. But that is what I remember the information was then.

[Amy]

Something about this post made me wonder; if Casey and Cindy had The Big Blowup the night before, why did she even come back to the house less than twelve hours later? Sure, she knew Cindy was most likely at work, but was she there to try to get George to smooth things out with Cindy? And what happened during that visit to cause her to double back after George left and kill Caylee at the house? Something doesn't add up here in a BIG way. And it makes me doubt more than ever that George actually saw her that day, or is telling the truth about things being normal.

But, according to CINDY, they had a nice, quiet evening all together (well, except maybe George was @ work?) once she and Caylee returned from Grandma Pleasa's. AND, George says HE thinks they are asleep in their room when he gets home. And, Cindy, I think, talks about "hearing" them asleep that morning before she left for work? Of course, they must have slept in or were VERY quiet that George didn't see them before 1. Or, perhaps, working into the evening, George might sleep in?

I don't think Casey and Caylee slept @ the A's that night. CINDY says a nice evening--neighbors report a fight. George is saying he saw Casey and Caylee leaving as he watched the new......quickly changed to cooking show when Cindy pinches his leg. So, did they leave the night before? All that poppy cock about "hearing" them be asleep--pfft!!!! Unless one or the other snores up a storm!!!! I don't think George saw Casey and Caylee AT ALL on the 16th.

[Gatordog]

Waiter, two more attorneys please.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html

[Amy]

Okay so she did have Caylee with her when she stormed out. Thanks for clearing that up. But you make a good point about what else she could have come back for, her stuff. If she planned to stay away for about a month or even longer (if Amy had not told her Mom) as part of her plot, she has to get her clothes and no way you can put enough crap in a back pack for a whole month. Curiously I wonder what all Casey took with her to Tony's. Anyone know how much stuff was in the bags that Lee eventually went to get.? Probably whatever she packed in those bags she had to come back to get. I don't think she necessarily planned on killing Caylee there way ahead of time , but if I were her, and I was going to kill my child, (god what an awful thought) I would want a place where I could be alone with zero witnesses. I would not want to be seen putting my kid in the trunk in some parking lot. I would want to do it all where I could be alone, thus the house. I mean what if somebody saw her put her in the trunk when she was out somewhere? Casey may have thought of that. Also don't misunderstand I don't think she killed her just to get back at Cindy. I think it was the perfect storm of emotions, tired of being a Mom, pissed at not going to PR, threatened by Cindy perhaps with being turned out and having her child taken away with no visible means of support for herself.

Casey returned to the house on several occasions while George and Cindy were @ work, according to the neighbor. (I think the shovel neighbor.) He saw her car there on @ least 3 days, and on one of them he says that someone was with her. IIRC, Cindy says that while there was stuff of Casey's gone (I don't know HOW much) but NOTHING of Caylee's was missing.

[Amy]

A detective once told me it is much harder than it looks to dig a good grave! So this is to all the grave diggers, the ones that had to do it manually for years(Legally of course):beer:

My Daddy was sexton @ the local cemetary for years--but he had a nice machine to dig graves. OTOH, when we buried my dog @ the folks', bil had the job of digging, with a bit of help from sis (I was 8 mo pregnant, and wasn't allowed to help ;)) but, I do believe the grave was much more shallow than what was originally planned, cuz it's HARD WORK!!!!

[Gatordog]

THE WHOLE WORLD knows that this "Zenaida Gonzalez" is not the "Zenaida Gonzalez" that Casey Anthony referred to as the nanny. First of all, because THE WHOLE WORLD knows the nanny is figment of Casey's imagination. And, if this Zenaida's pic was one of those shown to Casey, Casey did NOT recognize her. So, it that is the whole reason for the lawsuit (as expressed in this article) then it could be dropped tomorrow. Even today.

So, the Monday pc for the investigators didn't occur? Gee, did anyone fall off their chairs in surprise? lol (Sorry, been sick since Monday, so am just catching up on things.)

Yes, but did she base her lies on this person? This is the only person who has lost her job and couldn't get another. She also has a connection to that apartment. I wish she could be granted a million dollar lawsuit.

[Amy]

Curious about the shovel. Casey borrowed it on the 18th once but returned it. Was she using it to bury Caylee (or clothes or whatever), or to dig her up? What did she use for the opposite action?

I can't get the link to open to the Cadaver Dog Handbook link I found about how soon the corpse is detectable, but according to those 26 stages of death, after 24 hours; (#19) there is a strong odor of rotting meat. I would think that is around the time (depending on temperature and humidity) that the dogs are able to perform their function. Maybe sooner, but it's been stressed that they don't hit on urine, blood, etc.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

IIRC, from the Laci case, and also from a dog tracker show I once watched, the dogs hit on sluffed skin cells--like we all lose skin cells all the time. It seems that there is a difference between "live" skin cells and "dead" skin cells immediately? (Altho, that does get confusing, as all sluffed skin cells are dead, that is why they "sluff")

[Spider]

Gee Golly Ned! There are going to be more cover ups in this chit pile than in my cat's litter box!! What a Clustermuck!!

Didn't ya'll like how I didn't use no cuss words??

[One2Snoop]

For that matter, I guess anyone could find small bones somewhere and photograph them and put them out as Caylee's--and who is to know the difference? It very well could be there is some brainless bozo out there who would do this, without consulting anyone.

Baez has been referred to as Bozo before. :biggrin:

Mr. Bozo Baez has a new angle. A tip line for people that have photos and videos concerning the time line of little Caylee Anthony’s disappearance. I talked this over with my wife Jan, who has been following this case closely. It is my opinion that Bozo Jose Baez is out of his depth on this case. This latest excursion merely adds fire to the fuel. I will NOT publish the Bozo Jose Baez tip line number, but if you do have some tips, photos, videos, etc, please contact the adults running the show at 1-800-423-TIPS.

http://www.bloggernews.net/119297

[One2Snoop]

Gee Golly Ned! There are going to be more cover ups in this chit pile than in my cat's litter box!! What a Clustermuck!!

Didn't ya'll like how I didn't use no cuss words??

Bravo! :beer:

[Gatordog]

I'm watching NG and Padilla just told NG there's more to the story. I said out loud "Oh Lord" and then NG says "Oh Lord". :D

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Waiter, two more attorneys please.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html

LOL - wasn't Hoover denying this just last week? http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0081.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-love-smileys.php)

[Amy]

IIRC, from the Laci case, and also from a dog tracker show I once watched, the dogs hit on sluffed skin cells--like we all lose skin cells all the time. It seems that there is a difference between "live" skin cells and "dead" skin cells immediately? (Altho, that does get confusing, as all sluffed skin cells are dead, that is why they "sluff")

I was just looking up cadaver dogs, and couldn't find how SOON decomp starts, but one of the articles did mention about hits in the condo where Maddie McCann disappeared from, so it would seem that whatever the cadaver dogs go after would occur pretty much around the time of death. In another article, it talked about "smells" in the air. Whatever, is does seem that there is something that occurs around the time of death that allows a cadaver dog to hit.

[One2Snoop]

I'm watching NG and Padilla just told NG there's more to the story. I said out loud "Oh Lord" and then NG says "Oh Lord". :D

Gator

She's psychic ya know? http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/winking/winking0047.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-angel-smileys.php)

[shadydaisy]

IIRC, from the Laci case, and also from a dog tracker show I once watched, the dogs hit on sluffed skin cells--like we all lose skin cells all the time. It seems that there is a difference between "live" skin cells and "dead" skin cells immediately? (Altho, that does get confusing, as all sluffed skin cells are dead, that is why they "sluff")

It is skin cells that they are tracking. That's why if someone goes missing and they bring in tracking dogs, they immediately ask for the missing person's bed linens, particularly the pillowcase. If an inmate escapes from prison their bedding is immediately bagged and waiting for the dogs.

[Gatordog]

NG is talking about how much money has been made by selling videos and photos of Caylee. One thing that's not mentioned is a few months back Baez was stopped by a local reporter and Baez said he would love to talk to the reporter but he's under an exclusivity contract with another network (NBC). When the contract ran out, he would speak to him. Seems to me there had to be money involved in that contract. :no:

Gator

[Amy]

I live in the Nashville area in TN; we have not gotten snow but tons of rain. It literally rained all day long and all night. The sun has finally come out though but I believe rain/snow is in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow. I am out of school until Monday because I am on the year-round schedule.

Everytime I hear Caylee sing "You Are My Sunshine" and say " are you tired, Papa?" it makes me cry. What a beautiful, sweet little girl and how could her mother kill her. I do not understand the evil in the world but it exists, that's for sure. It breaks my heart---Caylee could have had a loving home and a good life. Such a sad situation and it's all because of that totally evil witch sitting in prison right now. (My opinion but I'm sure others feel the same) I hope everybody has a good day! Take care :seeya:

Welcome to the boards!!! It's bright and shiny here today (I don't want to jinx it, tho) I don't know the temp, but I just had short sleeves on, didn't need a jacket @ all. It's cold one day, not so much the next.

I just have NO idea how people can kill another human being. I have been really, really, angry with people in my life, but NEVER tho't--I'll kill him or her!!! It just never crossed my mind!!! That goes for some SOB that broke my heart--now, I tho't of a few hexes I could put on his life, but the tho't of killing him never crossed my mind!!!

[Amy]

The family didn't report the 11 year old boy missing?! Something happened to him and I betcha once again it was the parents. Grrr.... there are too many of these cases.

The article I read the other day said he had run away numerous times (was a foster kid who had been adopted @ 2 1/2 y/o. And, this time, they did not report him missing like they had the other times. Evidently, not reporting a child running away is a crime in KS (don't know which level, they say that is the only crime they are guilty of.) I live in KS, and had no clue--but never had a kid runaway, and it's not anything I looked into.

[Gatordog]

Welcome to the boards!!! It's bright and shiny here today (I don't want to jinx it, tho) I don't know the temp, but I just had short sleeves on, didn't need a jacket @ all. It's cold one day, not so much the next.

I just have NO idea how people can kill another human being. I have been really, really, angry with people in my life, but NEVER tho't--I'll kill him or her!!! It just never crossed my mind!!! That goes for some SOB that broke my heart--now, I tho't of a few hexes I could put on his life, but the tho't of killing him never crossed my mind!!!


Nothing wrong with a little hex now and then against those who have wounded us . http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil25.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Amy]

me either and if they knew who i was i would be sued mach 90. Yes Canada land of the free-free spending while people who have no Dr's sit in emerg for 8 hrs. Like i said i just wont go there.

I know it doesn't belong here, but too bad there couldn't be a thread where folks who LIVE the national health system could "tell it like it is" cuz I think too many Americans think this is gonna be THE magical solution---and I just don't think so. But, I suppose, with all the technology, "they" could probably track nay-sayers down.

[Amy]

Gatordog
I didn't even think of that. You are right, this is just the beginning, starts off not too bad,,,,,,next move it really the pitts. She will HATE it I bet. Having to clean and I bet the authorities don't tolerate any crap from the inmates....Her life will do a 360....

Not only no partying--NO CELL PHONE, NO TEXTING!!!! Gotta wonder which activity she misses the most? Probably the texting thing--as much as she seemed to party, she spend A WHOLE LOT of time w/her cell phone!!!!!

[Amy]

Because she didn't want to leave her new lover, Tony.

:punch:Gee, how could I have forgotten that? Talk about CRS or KRAFT!!!! That's me!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Watching NG, and I just don't get why LP won't just spill whatever it is that he knows that connects Kronk to all of this. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Kronk (or anyone) would think that if there is a daisy chain or any other connection, that it won't be found out.

And this blurb about Hoover is about to slay me; ...The tape was handed over at the office of WFTV's legal analyst, William Sheaffer. Sheaffer is not representing any of the parties involved, but was asked by Hoover to facilitate and speed up the turning over of evidence to investigators....

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html#-

HUH? Hoover needs a TV attorney (no offense to Mr.Sheaffer) to turn over evidence???

Are Hoover and D Casey going to be charged with obstruction of justice? And what about LP? Are we really, really supposed to believe that LP went to LE with this information and the FBI allowed Caylee's body to continue to decompose and forensics to disappear for another month after D Casey knew about where Caylee's body was located?

RE: Zenaida Gonzalez; it doesn't matter that she isn't Zanny the nanny. All that matters is that she is the ZG whose life was ruined by Casey's lies. After last night's NG, the only way that I can see Casey taking the fifth amendment when deposed by Morgan, is if the Anthonys drop their countersuit.

Still about 15 minutes behind, but LP makes it sound like G&C knew where Caylee's body was (if I'm hearing correctly).

[Gatordog]

The article I read the other day said he had run away numerous times (was a foster kid who had been adopted @ 2 1/2 y/o. And, this time, they did not report him missing like they had the other times. Evidently, not reporting a child running away is a crime in KS (don't know which level, they say that is the only crime they are guilty of.) I live in KS, and had no clue--but never had a kid runaway, and it's not anything I looked into.

If a 17 year old runs away, I can possibly understand not reporting it, but an 11 year old? I think the yard needs to be dug up. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad056.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Amy]

Waiter, two more attorneys please.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html

Only one more--for Mr Casey. Mr Hoover already had an attorney who was w/him when he met with authorities. Guess maybe that is why there was no pc on Monday? Mr Hoover decided he'd better have legal representation or counsel before he did anything further?

[Justice Denied?]

Don't forget right now she's in a county jail. When she's found guilty, she will be going to a prison and it won't be as easy as she has it now. Wait until she has to wash 1,000 sheets a day or wash the floors or :D clean toilets.

Gator

Don't know about FL but in the state where I live inmates cannot be forced to work. I think they do have to keep their cells clean but the other work is a privledge for which they are paid a small stipend. Casey can still sit in her cell all day if she wants to.

[Gatordog]

What a defense team, between Baez, Dominic and Hoover - there isn't an honest thought among them. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-merv/stooges.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Amy]

Yes, but did she base her lies on this person? This is the only person who has lost her job and couldn't get another. She also has a connection to that apartment. I wish she could be granted a million dollar lawsuit.

That's the thing. There were HOW many Zenaida Gonzalez' checked into by LE--"all the ZG's in the area." WHY would this be the only ZG to get fired from her current job? Now, WHY would this woman be the only one who now has trouble getting a job? WHO told the world SHE was the one who checked into Sawgrass apartments? HMMM????? AND, it was announced in the news and the articles and NG and everywhere else that the person who signed in @ the Sawgrass apartments was NOT recognized by Casey. 15 minutes of fame for her and her attorney. IMO

ETA: No, I don't think she based her lies on this person. She had Zanny the nanny BEFORE she saw anyone's name @ sawgrass apartments. Since 2006. AND, seems NOTHING about this ZG compared with "the nanny"--the age, the children, etc etc etc.

[One2Snoop]

I had this article bookmarked under my Scott Peterson file folder and I don't recall if I ever posted it here. I thought it was interesting and worth posting...


Liars' Brains Wired Differently
09/29/05


A USC study of pathological liars shows first evidence of structural differences in the area of the brain that enables most people to feel remorse.
By Usha Sutliff

A USC study has found the first proof of structural brain abnormalities in people who habitually lie, cheat and manipulate others.

While previous research has shown that there is heightened activity in the prefrontal cortex – the area of the brain that enables most people to feel remorse or learn moral behavior – when normal people lie, this is the first study to provide evidence of structural differences in that area among pathological liars.

The research – led by Yaling Yang and Adrian Raine, both of the USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences – is published in the October issue of the British Journal of Psychiatry.

The subjects were taken from a sample of 108 volunteers pulled from Los Angeles’ temporary employment pool. A series of psychological tests and interviews placed 12 in the category of people who had a history of repeated lying (11 men, one woman); 16 who exhibited signs of antisocial personality disorder but not pathological lying (15 men, one woman); and 21 who were normal controls (15 men, six women).

“We looked for things like inconsistencies in their stories about occupation, education, crimes and family background,” said Raine, a psychology professor at USC and co-author of the study.

“Pathological liars can’t always tell truth from falsehood and contradict themselves in an interview. They are manipulative and they admit they prey on people. They are very brazen in terms of their manner, but very cool when talking about this.”

Aside from having histories of conning others or using aliases, the habitual liars also admitted to malingering, or telling falsehoods to obtain sickness benefits, Raine said.

After they were categorized, the researchers used Magnetic Resonance Imaging to explore structural brain differences between the groups. The liars had significantly more “white matter” and slightly less “gray matter” than those they were measured against, Raine said.

Specifically, liars had a 25.7 percent increase in prefrontal white matter compared to the antisocial controls and a 22 percent increase compared to the normal controls. Liars had a 14.2 percent decrease in prefrontal gray matter compared to normal controls.

More white matter – the wiring in the brain – may provide liars with the tools necessary to master the complex art of deceit, Raine said.

“Lying takes a lot of effort,” he said.

“It’s almost mind reading. You have to be able to understand the mindset of the other person. You also have to suppress your emotions or regulate them because you don’t want to appear nervous. There’s quite a lot to do there. You’ve got to suppress the truth.

“Our argument is that the more networking there is in the prefrontal cortex, the more the person has an upper hand in lying. Their verbal skills are higher. They’ve almost got a natural advantage.”

But in normal people, it’s the gray matter – or the brain cells connected by the white matter – that helps keep the impulse to lie in check.

Pathological liars have a surplus of white matter, the study found, and a deficit of gray matter. That means they have more tools to lie coupled with fewer moral restraints than normal people, Raine said.

“They’ve got the equipment to lie, and they don’t have the disinhibition that the rest of us have in telling the big whoppers,” he said.

“When people make moral decisions, they are relying on the prefrontal cortex. When people ask normal people to make moral decisions, we see activation in the front of the brain,” he explained. “If these liars have a 14 percent reduction in gray matter, that means that they are less likely to care about moral issues or are less likely to be able to process moral issues. Having more gray matter would keep a check on these activities.”

The researchers stopped short of asserting that these structural differences account for all lying.

“This is one of the components,” Raine said.

“The findings need to be replicated and extended to other parts of the brain. What are the other neurobiological processes?

“We haven’t had studies like this. It’s exciting to us because it’s a beginning study, but we need a lot more to flesh out this discovery.”

Yang, the study’s lead author, said the findings eventually could be used in making clinical diagnoses and may have applications in the criminal justice system and the business world.

“If [the findings] can be replicated and extended, they may have long-term implications in a number of areas,” said Yang, a doctoral student in the USC department of psychology’s brain and cognitive science program.

“For example, in the legal system they could potentially be used to help police work out which suspects are lying. In terms of clinical practice, they could help clinicians diagnose who is malingering – making up disability for financial gain.

“And also in business, they could assist in pre-employment screening, working out which individuals may not be suitable for hiring.

“But, right now, I have to emphasize that there are no direct practical applications,” she said.

In their journal article, the authors mention that separate studies of autistic children – who typically have trouble lying – have showed the converse pattern of gray matter/white matter ratios.

“The facts that autistic children have difficulty lying and also show reduced prefrontal white matter constitutes the opposite but complementary pattern of the results compared to adults with increased prefrontal white matter who find it easy to lie,” the researchers wrote.

“Although autism is a complex condition and cannot be taken as a model for lying, these results … converge with current findings on adult liars in suggesting that the prefrontal cortex is centrally involved in the capacity to lie.”

http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/11655.html

[Amy]

Baez has been referred to as Bozo before. :biggrin:


lol.................

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, so LP says that he couldn't dial Nick Savage's number fast enough. Does that mean that the FBI didn't search for Caylee's body again? I get that D Casey didn't have a legal obligation to be a good samaritan. But did the FBI just not find the information to be credible?

[Justice Denied?]

Well she is obviously not grieving her dead child. I have not heard one report of her shedding a tear. Even when she was informed they found her she had a panic attack.....not a grief attack. Now she is past even the panic. I cannot imagine any parent who has lost a child even being able to eat, much less lounging about reading, snacking and jamming to the radio. She is probably wondering who will play her in the made for TV movie. Any network that airs such a movie will be banned from my home.

Does anyone know if the state of Florida will allow her or her family to profit on this in anyway?

And the fact that Jose BS is whining about restrictions on the autopsy photos....my brain just can't take that. Any real human being would have no question to agreeing to such restrictions. That proves he is truly a bottom sucking scum feeder. Just how is the world would NOT having restrictions benefit him or the defense in any way other than financially. Scumbag. I think the state of Florida ought to disbar him for making all other attorneys looks bad. And he had the nerve to state that ZG was seeking fame and money? I'm going to go and vomit now.

According to LP on NG, there is a deal pending with Lifetime for over a million dollars but it will go by the wayside if they are charged.

[Gatordog]

Hi to all you nice folks...I've been lurking awhile, but this is my first post!

Here is some interesting cadaver dog info:

One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

I couldn't really determine how long/soon detection can begin after death, but it certainly seems a body doesn't have to be in one location for very long before a dog can detect the scent.

Regards!

Susan

Hi Susan, I'm glad that you've joined us. Welcome, jumping for joy over new members. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-bounce015.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[Gatordog]

According to LP on NG, there is a deal pending with Lifetime for over a million dollars but it will go by the wayside if they are charged.

Justice, I think he said 1.7 million dollars.:eek:

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Justice, I think he said 1.7 million dollars.:eek:

Gator

I also heard 1.7 million.

[lorettalockhorn]

That's the thing. There were HOW many Zenaida Gonzalez' checked into by LE--"all the ZG's in the area." WHY would this be the only ZG to get fired from her current job? Now, WHY would this woman be the only one who now has trouble getting a job? WHO told the world SHE was the one who checked into Sawgrass apartments? HMMM????? AND, it was announced in the news and the articles and NG and everywhere else that the person who signed in @ the Sawgrass apartments was NOT recognized by Casey. 15 minutes of fame for her and her attorney. IMO

ETA: No, I don't think she based her lies on this person. She had Zanny the nanny BEFORE she saw anyone's name @ sawgrass apartments. Since 2006. AND, seems NOTHING about this ZG compared with "the nanny"--the age, the children, etc etc etc.

I think it was because this ZG checked into the Sawgrass Apts that she was assumed to be Zanny the nanny by LE until she was cleared. Once that information was given to the media, this ZG was outed and the trouble that led to her firing ensued. Casey is the one who tied her to Sawgrass.

[Amy]

Watching NG, and I just don't get why LP won't just spill whatever it is that he knows that connects Kronk to all of this. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Kronk (or anyone) would think that if there is a daisy chain or any other connection, that it won't be found out.

And this blurb about Hoover is about to slay me; ...The tape was handed over at the office of WFTV's legal analyst, William Sheaffer. Sheaffer is not representing any of the parties involved, but was asked by Hoover to facilitate and speed up the turning over of evidence to investigators....

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html#-

HUH? Hoover needs a TV attorney (no offense to Mr.Sheaffer) to turn over evidence???

Are Hoover and D Casey going to be charged with obstruction of justice? And what about LP? Are we really, really supposed to believe that LP went to LE with this information and the FBI allowed Caylee's body to continue to decompose and forensics to disappear for another month after D Casey knew about where Caylee's body was located?

RE: Zenaida Gonzalez; it doesn't matter that she isn't Zanny the nanny. All that matters is that she is the ZG whose life was ruined by Casey's lies. After last night's NG, the only way that I can see Casey taking the fifth amendment when deposed by Morgan, is if the Anthonys drop their countersuit.

Still about 15 minutes behind, but LP makes it sound like G&C knew where Caylee's body was (if I'm hearing correctly).

From posts a few days ago, it seems that the day that LP says don't be surprised.......on NG was the 10th, and the body was found the 11th. One does wonder tho, WHEN he talked w/Hoover, and when he reported to FBI? And, why FBI or LE wasn't down there in a whipstitch.

[lorettalockhorn]

I also heard 1.7 million.

It could be only $1.70 and would still seem like blood money.

[Gatordog]

That's the thing. There were HOW many Zenaida Gonzalez' checked into by LE--"all the ZG's in the area." WHY would this be the only ZG to get fired from her current job? Now, WHY would this woman be the only one who now has trouble getting a job? WHO told the world SHE was the one who checked into Sawgrass apartments? HMMM????? AND, it was announced in the news and the articles and NG and everywhere else that the person who signed in @ the Sawgrass apartments was NOT recognized by Casey. 15 minutes of fame for her and her attorney. IMO

ETA: No, I don't think she based her lies on this person. She had Zanny the nanny BEFORE she saw anyone's name @ sawgrass apartments. Since 2006. AND, seems NOTHING about this ZG compared with "the nanny"--the age, the children, etc etc etc.

How many Zenaida Gonzalez' do you think live in Orlando?

[Amy]

How many Zenaida Gonzalez' do you think live in Orlando?

I believe it was over 30. LE did not identify THIS woman as the ZG from Sawgrass. They said they had a ZG whose pic Casey did not recognize. The only way the world had of knowing THIS ZG was the one @ Sawgrass is if SHE let people know.

[Amy]

I read thru all the posts in case someone else asked about Leo's and the shadow, but guess I am the only one. What kind of shadow do I have? TIA

[Gatordog]

Only one more--for Mr Casey. Mr Hoover already had an attorney who was w/him when he met with authorities. Guess maybe that is why there was no pc on Monday? Mr Hoover decided he'd better have legal representation or counsel before he did anything further?

With the way this case is going, we might as well have one ready for the next player in this drama.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I believe it was over 30. LE did not identify THIS woman as the ZG from Sawgrass. They said they had a ZG whose pic Casey did not recognize. The only way the world had of knowing THIS ZG was the one @ Sawgrass is if SHE let people know.

LE didn't identify this ZG even though she filled out a guest card at Sawgrass???

[lighthousedazy]

How many Zenaida Gonzalez' do you think live in Orlando?
Just going on memory, when I first heard of this case back in July someone reported on the news that there were 30 Zenaida Gonzales's in the state of Florida. Not sure if that is correct. :shrug:

[Gatordog]

I believe it was over 30. LE did not identify THIS woman as the ZG from Sawgrass. They said they had a ZG whose pic Casey did not recognize. The only way the world had of knowing THIS ZG was the one @ Sawgrass is if SHE let people know.

I doubt 30 Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez live in Orlando. Plus, how many of them were taken into the police station to be interrogated.

From WESH: For Gonzalez, the damage was done. She said she lost her job managing a cleaning crew. Her boss told her they couldn't let one name bring a company down.

[Justice Denied?]

I remember that too. Makes me think she had heard of other mothers using Xanax to make their babies sleep and Casey thought right away that's what she'd do. When she some how came across Zenaida's info at the apartment she thought ah ha well now I have a full name. How convenient.

I have alwys thought that it was TOO convinient. Something doesn't add up.
How did Casey manage to point out to detectives the EXACT apartment that Zenaida looked at? Another coincidence that doesn't add up.

[Justice Denied?]

Watching NG, and I just don't get why LP won't just spill whatever it is that he knows that connects Kronk to all of this. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Kronk (or anyone) would think that if there is a daisy chain or any other connection, that it won't be found out.

And this blurb about Hoover is about to slay me; ...The tape was handed over at the office of WFTV's legal analyst, William Sheaffer. Sheaffer is not representing any of the parties involved, but was asked by Hoover to facilitate and speed up the turning over of evidence to investigators....

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html#-

HUH? Hoover needs a TV attorney (no offense to Mr.Sheaffer) to turn over evidence???

Are Hoover and D Casey going to be charged with obstruction of justice? And what about LP? Are we really, really supposed to believe that LP went to LE with this information and the FBI allowed Caylee's body to continue to decompose and forensics to disappear for another month after D Casey knew about where Caylee's body was located?

RE: Zenaida Gonzalez; it doesn't matter that she isn't Zanny the nanny. All that matters is that she is the ZG whose life was ruined by Casey's lies. After last night's NG, the only way that I can see Casey taking the fifth amendment when deposed by Morgan, is if the Anthonys drop their countersuit.

Still about 15 minutes behind, but LP makes it sound like G&C knew where Caylee's body was (if I'm hearing correctly).

I just have a real hard time believing G & C would let Caylee's body lay in the woods like that. For what? To help Casey beat a murder rap?

[lorettalockhorn]

I just have a real hard time believing G & C would let Caylee's body lay in the woods like that. For what? To help Casey beat a murder rap?

I wish I could have understood what LP was trying to say. I have a hard time believing that normal people would leave a child's body out in the elements, but not sure that G&C fall into that category. According to tonight's NG, the second autopsy was done five days ago. What's the hold-up on the funeral now?

I'm really more concerned about LP's claim that he called Nick Savage after learning about D Casey and Hoover's search, and that the FBI wasn't out there scouring the woods for Caylee's body.

[Justice Denied?]

I also heard 1.7 million.

Thanks Gator and Snoop,

Knew it was one point something but could not think what at the time I was typing. I have kraft disease you know. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/doh.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[One2Snoop]

I doubt 30 Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez live in Orlando. Plus, how many of them were taken into the police station to be interrogated.

From WESH: For Gonzalez, the damage was done. She said she lost her job managing a cleaning crew. Her boss told her they couldn't let one name bring a company down.

According to USA People search there are 10 in Orlando and approximately 100 in the state of Florida - I don't know how many of the 100 are duplicates though.

http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PE

[javahog]

Don't know about FL but in the state where I live inmates cannot be forced to work. I think they do have to keep their cells clean but the other work is a privledge for which they are paid a small stipend. Casey can still sit in her cell all day if she wants to.

Casey after 10 years in the pokey:

http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/yabbahut2.gif (http://www.millan.net)

[lorettalockhorn]

So how would D Casey get the information about where to find Caylee's body? No one has visited Casey in months other than her legal team, the Baptist preacher and the jail chaplain. I think we read that she hasn't made any phone calls. Casey told her parents that she was going to use the mail to communicate with them, but mail is subject to being read before it goes out, so if she wrote the information, it stood the chance of being found out. It doesn't seem likely that Baez would give the information to D Casey after he was working for the Ants and expect the information to be protected by the work product clause (except Baez seems to be a dumbarse).

Does that mean that someone knew before Casey went to jail where to find Caylee?

[lorettalockhorn]

Nancy Grace, 1/7/09:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

So how would D Casey get the information about where to find Caylee's body? No one has visited Casey in months other than her legal team, the Baptist preacher and the jail chaplain. I think we read that she hasn't made any phone calls. Casey told her parents that she was going to use the mail to communicate with them, but mail is subject to being read before it goes out, so if she wrote the information, it stood the chance of being found out. It doesn't seem likely that Baez would give the information to D Casey after he was working for the Ants and expect the information to be protected by the work product clause (except Baez seems to be a dumbarse).

Does that mean that someone knew before Casey went to jail where to find Caylee?

That's what I'm thinking. If true, then that someone purposely left poor little Caylee out in the elements - why? :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

Nancy Grace, 1/7/09:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html#-

It's up early tonight. The link you gave is to wftv. Here's the link to the transcript... :seeya:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/07/ng.01.html

[One2Snoop]

The Anthonys' lawyer ended a meeting with prosecutors in downtown Orlando Wednesday. (01/07/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18430514/index.html

According to Conway, the Anthony's don't want anyone to see the pics unless its someone associated with the case.

[applesandorange]

I have alwys thought that it was TOO convinient. Something doesn't add up.
How did Casey manage to point out to detectives the EXACT apartment that Zenaida looked at? Another coincidence that doesn't add up.


I guess I just assumed she knew which apartment because it was the one vacant near where her friend lived. How did she know it was vacant though? I've never thought about it. This whole ZG thing doesn't add up. You're right.

[browneyes106]

I don't know all the particulars about LB's financial set-up (but, isn't he in control of the $$$ that comes to DL?) but even w/out consideration of what might come to him for support of DL, I'm betting he was sitting a whole lot prettier than most single dads--or moms, for that matter. Like, he could hire any amount of help--for one, bet he doesn't do his own cooking, laundry or housework like most single parents have to. Probably doesn't even have to drive his own car, for Pete's sake!!!! That means, go to work (if he does--what DOES he do?) and spend time with DL. Now, how hard is that?

I think he still does photography work. Last year it was mentioned that he hired a nanny. But I agree LB has a lot more than most single parents.

[lorettalockhorn]

It's up early tonight. The link you gave is to wftv. Here's the link to the transcript... :seeya:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/07/ng.01.html

hehehe Thanks for watching my back! It doesn't surprise me that I can't even copy & paste. :punch:

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess I just assumed she knew which apartment because it was the one vacant near where her friend lived. How did she know it was vacant though? I've never thought about it. This whole ZG thing doesn't add up. You're right.

Y'all could be right, but if Casey saw that no one every went in or out, or if her friend told her that the apartment was vacant, or if she could see inside and it was obvious that it was vacant, or if she saw that there was an open house (or whatever it's called), or if she saw the actual card with the apartment number on it and ZG's name, it just doesn't seem like a stretch to me. And maybe she saw many cards with many names on them, but Zenaida's name fit right in with her scheme, so that's the one she glommed onto.

[Amy]

LE didn't identify this ZG even though she filled out a guest card at Sawgrass???

Not to the public, as to show a picture of this woman and say, this is the person we put in a lineup and Casey Anthony didn't recognize her. They only reported that they had put a picture of a Zenaida Gonzalez in a line up and Casey did not recognize her.

[applesandorange]

Y'all could be right, but if Casey saw that no one every went in or out, or if her friend told her that the apartment was vacant, or if she could see inside and it was obvious that it was vacant, or if she saw that there was an open house (or whatever it's called), or if she saw the actual card with the apartment number on it and ZG's name, it just doesn't seem like a stretch to me. And maybe she saw many cards with many names on them, but Zenaida's name fit right in with her scheme, so that's the one she glommed onto.


Right she could have known it was vacant. It's all just strange that she has been using that name from the begining. Although like you said and I said before it could have just conveniently fell into her lap. The name ZG I mean. Since she was just saying Zanny before. She could have seen that card and though right on, here we go, now I have a full name to use. What would have happened if ZG would have moved in there? I'm sure LE would have been much more interested in her. I'm so glad things didn't go the way Casey was hoping for.

[lorettalockhorn]

The Anthonys' lawyer ended a meeting with prosecutors in downtown Orlando Wednesday. (01/07/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18430514/index.html

According to Conway, the Anthony's don't want anyone to see the pics unless its someone associated with the case.

I really like this Conway guy. That said, I did laugh a little when he said that D Casey doesn't need an attorney. Hellllllloooooooooo? If he doesn't; he's the only one connected to this case who doesn't! But he also said that since D Casey works for the Ants, that makes him his client. I would think that if Mr. Casey does eventually need an attorney, that it would need to be someone other than Brad Conway. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point we see G&C with separate attorneys.

[Amy]

I doubt 30 Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez live in Orlando. Plus, how many of them were taken into the police station to be interrogated.

From WESH: For Gonzalez, the damage was done. She said she lost her job managing a cleaning crew. Her boss told her they couldn't let one name bring a company down.

From the posts @ the time, Gonzalez is a VERY common name in Orlando (even here in Kansas) and there were 30 Zenaida Gonzalez' they checked in to. I don't even know that THIS ZG was taken into the police station to be interrogated. I don't think they believed for one minute @ that time there was a kidnapping, so they could very well have just checked the information, without taking her in to the police station.

I can't believe her boss just let her go because she had the same name as a ficticious nanny, especially when she was PROVED to not be the one in question. That's HER story, wonder what her boss' story is?

[Amy]

With the way this case is going, we might as well have one ready for the next player in this drama.

Gator

Wonder who that will be? NG? LP (he might already have an attorney in his organization) Dr Lee (lol) The sheriff? Golly, there are so many people that are even on the fringes who might have to lawyer up.

[applesandorange]

From the posts @ the time, Gonzalez is a VERY common name in Orlando (even here in Kansas) and there were 30 Zenaida Gonzalez' they checked in to. I don't even know that THIS ZG was taken into the police station to be interrogated. I don't think they believed for one minute @ that time there was a kidnapping, so they could very well have just checked the information, without taking her in to the police station.

I can't believe her boss just let her go because she had the same name as a ficticious nanny, especially when she was PROVED to not be the one in question. That's HER story, wonder what her boss' story is?


I was wondering that too. I wonder if she really got fired because of her name. I would guess her attorney would have looked into it before filing a law suit although with the other attorneys in this case who knows.

[Amy]

So how would D Casey get the information about where to find Caylee's body? No one has visited Casey in months other than her legal team, the Baptist preacher and the jail chaplain. I think we read that she hasn't made any phone calls. Casey told her parents that she was going to use the mail to communicate with them, but mail is subject to being read before it goes out, so if she wrote the information, it stood the chance of being found out. It doesn't seem likely that Baez would give the information to D Casey after he was working for the Ants and expect the information to be protected by the work product clause (except Baez seems to be a dumbarse).

Does that mean that someone knew before Casey went to jail where to find Caylee?

There was the big hoopla about Baez being able to take his laptop in to visit Casey, with the argument (and rightly so) about how much is actually done on computer these days. What is the possibility Casey could have gotten an email out to someone? Well, I don't know, seems the likely person to communicate w/would be brother Lee, but would he then direct D Casey to the area instead of "investigating" it himself?

[applesandorange]

I really like this Conway guy. That said, I did laugh a little when he said that D Casey doesn't need an attorney. Hellllllloooooooooo? If he doesn't; he's the only one connected to this case who doesn't! But he also said that since D Casey works for the Ants, that makes him his client. I would think that if Mr. Casey does eventually need an attorney, that it would need to be someone other than Brad Conway. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point we see G&C with separate attorneys.

Yeah and when he said that I'm like how the heck does he not need an attorney if what is being said is true? And then when asked why Conway thinks that he says "because I'm an attorney" Give me a break! Baez is an attorney for Pete's sake and look how messed up he has everything.

Excuse anything that doesn't make sense. I was asleep and got woken up by my kids fighting with each other upstairs. I guess the little guy wouldn't stop going into the other kid's rooms and keeping them up. Hubby dealt with that. Now I'm awake though so thought I'd pop on.

[applesandorange]

There was the big hoopla about Baez being able to take his laptop in to visit Casey, with the argument (and rightly so) about how much is actually done on computer these days. What is the possibility Casey could have gotten an email out to someone? Well, I don't know, seems the likely person to communicate w/would be brother Lee, but would he then direct D Casey to the area instead of "investigating" it himself?


Unless he did investigate himself and then went and told D Casey. Casey could have even wrote him a letter saying something along the lines of "remember when tweety died and we buried him in the pet cementary? I've been thinking about that place a lot lately. I hope the rain hasn't washed him up" That would have left Lee know to look there.

[lorettalockhorn]

Right she could have known it was vacant. It's all just strange that she has been using that name from the begining. Although like you said and I said before it could have just conveniently fell into her lap. The name ZG I mean. Since she was just saying Zanny before. She could have seen that card and though right on, here we go, now I have a full name to use. What would have happened if ZG would have moved in there? I'm sure LE would have been much more interested in her. I'm so glad things didn't go the way Casey was hoping for.

I just looked at veromi.com for the given name Zenaida with six different hispanic surnames at random and came up with 169 hits. I'm thinking Zenaida is a fairly common name (although I searched it's origins a while back and it's Greek for "power of Zeus".)

[lorettalockhorn]

There was the big hoopla about Baez being able to take his laptop in to visit Casey, with the argument (and rightly so) about how much is actually done on computer these days. What is the possibility Casey could have gotten an email out to someone? Well, I don't know, seems the likely person to communicate w/would be brother Lee, but would he then direct D Casey to the area instead of "investigating" it himself?

Well, Lee sure as hell couldn't afford to have found Caylee's remains! And I'm still dying to know exactly what qualifies him to investigate anything. If he gets charged with misuse of funds, it'll be interesting to learn where he was all that time, doncha think?

[Amy]

The Anthonys' lawyer ended a meeting with prosecutors in downtown Orlando Wednesday. (01/07/09)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18430514/index.html

According to Conway, the Anthony's don't want anyone to see the pics unless its someone associated with the case.

I think he held his cool pretty good. I mean, how many times can he say that? Did they think the more they asked the question he would flub up and say something else?

I don't know the dude from Channel 2, but he evidently didn't think the person holding the mic before he burst onto the scene was asking the right questions, or wasn't forceful enough. But, for criminitly, he asked the SAME questions!!!!

So, we don't know if he represents D Casey or not, the detective who works for the A's, and thru them, works for Brad Conway. Because D Casey doesn't NEED a lawyer (now, that's rich!!! He'd be one who WOULD need one.) But, surely, D Casey would have to get a different lawyer, it would seem to be conflict of interest for him to represent both Dominic and the A's.

[Amy]

I really like this Conway guy. That said, I did laugh a little when he said that D Casey doesn't need an attorney. Hellllllloooooooooo? If he doesn't; he's the only one connected to this case who doesn't! But he also said that since D Casey works for the Ants, that makes him his client. I would think that if Mr. Casey does eventually need an attorney, that it would need to be someone other than Brad Conway. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if at some point we see G&C with separate attorneys.

I was going to say it seems it would be a conflict of interest to represent two parties, but then I remembered he represents both the A's. I also wonder @ what point they will need separate attorneys.

[One2Snoop]

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/37093144.html

This case could be similar to Caylee's.

The family didn't report the 11 year old boy missing?! Something happened to him and I betcha once again it was the parents. Grrr.... there are too many of these cases.

I started a discussion thread for Adam Herrman, Missing Since 1999; Recently Reported Missing if anyones interested. It's under Missing and Found Children....

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=292261

[applesandorange]

I started a discussion thread for Adam Herrman, Missing Since 1999; Recently Reported Missing if anyones interested. It's under Missing and Found Children....

http://boards.library.trutv.com/showthread.php?t=292261


Thanks Snoop. I'll check it out

[lorettalockhorn]

Not to the public, as to show a picture of this woman and say, this is the person we put in a lineup and Casey Anthony didn't recognize her. They only reported that they had put a picture of a Zenaida Gonzalez in a line up and Casey did not recognize her.

It seems so long ago that she was outed. Which came first? The document dumps which clued the media? Her firing? Her coming forward?

Rarely believe in coincidences, but I'll make an exception this one time. I really think it's possible that once Caylee found someone with the name Zenaida on that card, it didn't matter if the surname had been Smith or Jones; that's who she would name as the kidnapper.

[sharlock]

They do need to settle on one story about whether or not Cindy was in contact w/Casey every day, either by phone or text (not George, tho. George is specific in his interview that it is "his wife" that was in contact w/her.) I agree---which is it? Of course, being in contact w/one by cell phone does NOT mean that one knows where the other party is @ any given moment, just that they are alive and talking.
Cindy was ringing her constantly but Casey wouldn't answer the phone she made sure to only ring Cindy back when Cindy was at work and unable to answer her mob and she started texting Cindy instead which Cindy said she had not done previously. She told Cindy she was in Jacksonville and trying to have a go at a relationship with that guy (I think it was the guy she said intro'd her to Zanny). She kept lying about when she would be home and then making lame excuses for not turning up. So she did in fact have regular contact with Casey but Casey controlled all of the contact and was lying her a#se off the whole time.

[sharlock]

Well she is obviously not grieving her dead child. I have not heard one report of her shedding a tear. Even when she was informed they found her she had a panic attack.....not a grief attack. Now she is past even the panic. I cannot imagine any parent who has lost a child even being able to eat, much less lounging about reading, snacking and jamming to the radio. She is probably wondering who will play her in the made for TV movie. Any network that airs such a movie will be banned from my home.

Does anyone know if the state of Florida will allow her or her family to profit on this in anyway?

And the fact that Jose BS is whining about restrictions on the autopsy photos....my brain just can't take that. Any real human being would have no question to agreeing to such restrictions. That proves he is truly a bottom sucking scum feeder. Just how is the world would NOT having restrictions benefit him or the defense in any way other than financially. Scumbag. I think the state of Florida ought to disbar him for making all other attorneys looks bad. And he had the nerve to state that ZG was seeking fame and money? I'm going to go and vomit now.

Ever since Baez failed to pick up the tips CD and complained about the cost I have thought that this law firm was strapped and as Casey has no money I wondered if they could even afford to be doing the case with the funds they have available.:shrug:

[sharlock]

It's my understanding (and don't know where the link would be--in text transcripts? in someone's LE or FBI transcripts?) that Casey had put Amy's and Ricardo's? tickets on her mom's credit cards, and that they were to pay her back. I am wondering if, that means, they would pay Cindy "cash" via Casey, who would have pocketed the money? My question is, Caylee was gone by the time either Ricardo OR Amy went to PR---so why didn't Casey go also? After all, what was one more ticket on her mom's cc?
I think she chose not to go because she knewthat when Caylee was discovered missing she would need to have at leastlooked as though she was looking for her which she couldn't have done by going on a trip that had been planned months before Caylee went missing. Imo Casey thought she had until Caylee's 3rd birthday to think of a story, she thought that she could aviod her mum till then but knew after that the gig would be up because Cindy would never have tolerated Caylee not being hhome for her birthday. Maybe the reason for the timer44 password it was her own countdown until she thought she would be busted and she intended to live life to the fullest before that time and hopefully get in close enough with the new b/f that she could get him to move away or look after her andif not she had the other dud Mark as a backup plan.

[sharlock]

THE WHOLE WORLD knows that this "Zenaida Gonzalez" is not the "Zenaida Gonzalez" that Casey Anthony referred to as the nanny. First of all, because THE WHOLE WORLD knows the nanny is figment of Casey's imagination. And, if this Zenaida's pic was one of those shown to Casey, Casey did NOT recognize her. So, it that is the whole reason for the lawsuit (as expressed in this article) then it could be dropped tomorrow. Even today.

So, the Monday pc for the investigators didn't occur? Gee, did anyone fall off their chairs in surprise? lol (Sorry, been sick since Monday, so am just catching up on things.)

Zenaida has every right to sue. The card at Sawgrass only showed part of her name but Casey gave it in full described her car (though she did mistake the model for one that was nearly identical. Zenaida was fired from her job due to the publicity and cannot get another one due to her notoriety. Even though potential bosses prob realise she didn't do it noone wants to employ anyone who has beenthisinviolved in a high profile case it causes issues and they know she will probably be called on to testify so who wwould want to employ someone that they know will have to take time off in the near future; not to mention the death threats she received from the crazys.

[sharlock]

That's the thing. There were HOW many Zenaida Gonzalez' checked into by LE--"all the ZG's in the area." WHY would this be the only ZG to get fired from her current job? Now, WHY would this woman be the only one who now has trouble getting a job? WHO told the world SHE was the one who checked into Sawgrass apartments? HMMM????? AND, it was announced in the news and the articles and NG and everywhere else that the person who signed in @ the Sawgrass apartments was NOT recognized by Casey. 15 minutes of fame for her and her attorney. IMO

ETA: No, I don't think she based her lies on this person. She had Zanny the nanny BEFORE she saw anyone's name @ sawgrass apartments. Since 2006. AND, seems NOTHING about this ZG compared with "the nanny"--the age, the children, etc etc etc.

I really disagree here. Casey blamed Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales of which there are not such a huge amount of and she specified the unit where Zenaida had recently looked at. She described her car and was nearly spot on but got the make wrong but I have seen pictures of both models and they are nearly identical. This was the only Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales that could be linked to the sawgrass apartments and many people initially thought that was a little too coincidental at the time. she was the Zenaida named in the doc dumps and the police were right to look at her on the basis of info provided by Casey. I totally understand why she got fired. I remember the FBI telling George that everyone linked to this case had all received warnings from their bosses that if the media started coming around or curious public they would be fired and he said that it had been putting a huge strain on all of the kids who had been named by Casey. I stated earlier that I wouldn't emply Zenaida at the moment knowing that she would prob be called to testify and need time off in the near future so in my mind for those reasons and also because of the death threats she and her children recieved she has every right to sue and hopefully this will deter futere crims from using others names to try and get away with a crime.

[samanthajane13]

Hey gang!!!

Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. I'm at my mom's for the winter break (she has satellite TV and we don't YET), and Katey's been hogging the internet...:(

First, I hope everyone had a Merry what-ever-you-celebrate-in-the-winter, and a Happy New Year!!!

Okay-I have a THEORY.

What if things were degrading in the Anthony household, and the Skank knew she was going to be forced to shape up or ship out???

I THINK that maybe she was trying to FAKE a kidnapping, and thinks went totally wrong.

Think about it. She had a pre-manufactured story about the nanny, then jumped to the nanny and family grabbing Caylee in the park. And all the script bull-chit.

That may have been her cover story for the family and LE alike.

"The nanny and family are holding Caylee-NOT sweet, innocent, pretty little ME."

I THINK that maybe she thought that she could hit Mommy and Daddy up for money by creating a kidnapping situation, and holding Caylee for ransom, but Caylee died in the process, due to the tape and chloroform.

That set in motion all the lies and wild goose chase.

What if the Skank made it a game with Caylee...

"Let's play a game!! I'll hide you in the trunk (while she was at Tony's), and we'll surprise Tony in a little while!!!"

Meanwhile, she gets Caylee dosed up with chloroform, tapes her up so she doesn't scream bloody murder if she wakes up early, and she either od's on the chloroform, or aspirates on her own vomit while taped up.

By the time the Skank comes back to the car, Caylee's dead, and there goes her chance to get mad-money from Mommy and Daddy.

That would explain why she was all taped up, and how she possibly died.

It may have been accidental, but it's STILL MURDER!!

Also, I think Padilla's "daisy-chain" theory is a bucket of CHIT!!!

Don't get me wrong-I like the man for NOT GIVING UP ON FINDING CAYLEE, but he's out of his element on this, and it seems like he's making things up as he goes along-to take everything that comes up into account-much like the Skank does.

I honestly don't think Mr. Kronk had a blessed thing to do with this case, other than being in the wrong place at the right time-or the right place at the wrong time-depending on how you look at his discovery of Caylee's body. I believe he's TOTALLY INNOCENT, and he's a HERO for finding what nobody else could find.

I also THINK that Hoover just wasn't in the right spot while he was filming the site. It's a BIG AREA, and he just happened to miss the body, and now it's sour grapes and screw the meter reader.

What ya all think???

[sharlock]

Not only no partying--NO CELL PHONE, NO TEXTING!!!! Gotta wonder which activity she misses the most? Probably the texting thing--as much as she seemed to party, she spend A WHOLE LOT of time w/her cell phone!!!!!
I would miss the internet the most.

[sharlock]

Hey gang!!!

Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. I'm at my mom's for the winter break (she has satellite TV and we don't YET), and Katey's been hogging the internet...:(

First, I hope everyone had a Merry what-ever-you-celebrate-in-the-winter, and a Happy New Year!!!

Okay-I have a THEORY.

What if things were degrading in the Anthony household, and the Skank knew she was going to be forced to shape up or ship out???

I THINK that maybe she was trying to FAKE a kidnapping, and thinks went totally wrong.

Think about it. She had a pre-manufactured story about the nanny, then jumped to the nanny and family grabbing Caylee in the park. And all the script bull-chit.

That may have been her cover story for the family and LE alike.

"The nanny and family are holding Caylee-NOT sweet, innocent, pretty little ME."

I THINK that maybe she thought that she could hit Mommy and Daddy up for money by creating a kidnapping situation, and holding Caylee for ransom, but Caylee died in the process, due to the tape and chloroform.

That set in motion all the lies and wild goose chase.

What if the Skank made it a game with Caylee...

"Let's play a game!! I'll hide you in the trunk (while she was at Tony's), and we'll surprise Tony in a little while!!!"

Meanwhile, she gets Caylee dosed up with chloroform, tapes her up so she doesn't scream bloody murder if she wakes up early, and she either od's on the chloroform, or aspirates on her own vomit while taped up.

By the time the Skank comes back to the car, Caylee's dead, and there goes her chance to get mad-money from Mommy and Daddy.

That would explain why she was all taped up, and how she possibly died.

It may have been accidental, but it's STILL MURDER!!

Also, I think Padilla's "daisy-chain" theory is a bucket of CHIT!!!

Don't get me wrong-I like the man for NOT GIVING UP ON FINDING CAYLEE, but he's out of his element on this, and it seems like he's making things up as he goes along-to take everything that comes up into account-much like the Skank does.

I honestly don't think Mr. Kronk had a blessed thing to do with this case, other than being in the wrong place at the right time-or the right place at the wrong time-depending on how you look at his discovery of Caylee's body. I believe he's TOTALLY INNOCENT, and he's a HERO for finding what nobody else could find.

I also THINK that Hoover just wasn't in the right spot while he was filming the site. It's a BIG AREA, and he just happened to miss the body, and now it's sour grapes and screw the meter reader.

What ya all think???
I like it! Perhaps she had thought she could get some money out of it but she would probably have planned to kill Caylee anyway because she couldn't let her tell anyone there was no Zanny.

[sharlock]

Oohh! my blood is boiling. I have just been reading a site where tey posted the pics of the funeral home for Caylee both interior and exterior and then completely bagged the Anthonys's for using a cheap home. It seems obvious to me that this is all they can afford and everyone wanted them to pay for it themselves and they have. I personally couldn't give a rats ass if the funeral home does not look expensive and really if Caylees cremated remains were put in a lunch box(please don't throw things at me) I know many people who could afford no better and the only thing that is importnt is the love and care they take with those remains and no matter what else they may have done I beleive they will take good care of Caylees remains and should not be judged in such a fashion. Ok done now, go easy on me lol!

[Its just me]

I really disagree here. Casey blamed Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales of which there are not such a huge amount of and she specified the unit where Zenaida had recently looked at. She described her car and was nearly spot on but got the make wrong but I have seen pictures of both models and they are nearly identical. This was the only Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales that could be linked to the sawgrass apartments and many people initially thought that was a little too coincidental at the time. she was the Zenaida named in the doc dumps and the police were right to look at her on the basis of info provided by Casey. I totally understand why she got fired. I remember the FBI telling George that everyone linked to this case had all received warnings from their bosses that if the media started coming around or curious public they would be fired and he said that it had been putting a huge strain on all of the kids who had been named by Casey. I stated earlier that I wouldn't emply Zenaida at the moment knowing that she would prob be called to testify and need time off in the near future so in my mind for those reasons and also because of the death threats she and her children recieved she has every right to sue and hopefully this will deter futere crims from using others names to try and get away with a crime.

ITA. Casey planned and picked this Zenaida for the nanny to have kidnapped Caylee...I believe the civil suit will be in Zenaida's favor if her attorney will do the leg work and put together the foundation Casey started laying to cover Caylee's murder. I feel sure it began when Caylee died and I think it's likely it started before. You have the beach stories and the swimsuit was found at the site. The one thing that is totally disgusting to me is the very beginning Casy told LE (? not sure who) that she had spoken with Caylee/Zanny that very day and mentioned that Caylee was talking about this book....I'm sure it was the book found at the site.
I will be surprised if the civil case is allowed to heard before the murder case and I expect the murder case to be a long time off. MHOO fep

ETA: I also agree with your post about the cost and expense of the funeral. I have no doubts Caylee's final resting place will be precious to the A's. Only time will tell but I don't expect the burial to take place in the next few days. I think it will be hindered by the defense. MHOO fep

[eatcupcakes]

From the posts @ the time, Gonzalez is a VERY common name in Orlando (even here in Kansas) and there were 30 Zenaida Gonzalez' they checked in to. I don't even know that THIS ZG was taken into the police station to be interrogated. I don't think they believed for one minute @ that time there was a kidnapping, so they could very well have just checked the information, without taking her in to the police station.

I can't believe her boss just let her go because she had the same name as a ficticious nanny, especially when she was PROVED to not be the one in question. That's HER story, wonder what her boss' story is?


It seems to me that because Casey was so specific in giving a name that had 3 names not the usual 2 that this is not such a common name. There may be 30 Zenaida Gonzalezs' in Orlando but how many Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalezs' are there? I just thought I'd throw that in the mix. I really don't care. The truth is Casey the Liar made the whole thing up and that is that. She is responsible for her childs death and should be punished. As far as all the rumors about the investigor lnowing where the body was a month before it was found it is just that a rumor. Until LE confirmes this I am not buying it.:rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

Right she could have known it was vacant. It's all just strange that she has been using that name from the begining. Although like you said and I said before it could have just conveniently fell into her lap. The name ZG I mean. Since she was just saying Zanny before. She could have seen that card and though right on, here we go, now I have a full name to use. What would have happened if ZG would have moved in there? I'm sure LE would have been much more interested in her. I'm so glad things didn't go the way Casey was hoping for.

We don't know when Zani, Zanny, Zenaida was first used. We can't believe anything that anyone says.

Orlando weather: 44 degrees this morning http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[samanthajane13]

Okay-on to my next theory-

Caylee's paternity...

Possibility 1-Lee-just because this family is SOOOO WARPED, and I wouldn't put ANYTHING past them. We also have the weird jail visits and the "special" language between the Anthony spawn...could mean there's something ELSE "special" going on there...like a "special" relationship???

So maybe it WASN'T FORCED incest...just consentual YUCK!!!

Possibility 2-Unknown guy-I mean REALLY UNKNOWN-like the guy was such a drunk or drugged out FOCH-WIT that he didn't even know he touched the Skank-hence he has NO IDEA he fathered Caylee. And if the Skank was equally foched-up at the time, she may have no idea of who was banging her like a rusty screen door, either. In other words, Caylee may have had 2 Skanks for parents...poor sweet baby!!

[Gatordog]

Wonder who that will be? NG? LP (he might already have an attorney in his organization) Dr Lee (lol) The sheriff? Golly, there are so many people that are even on the fringes who might have to lawyer up.

NG already has her own attorney here. She and CNN are being used by Melissa Duckett's family. They believe her aggressive questioning caused Duckett to kill herself.

[Gatordog]

From the posts @ the time, Gonzalez is a VERY common name in Orlando (even here in Kansas) and there were 30 Zenaida Gonzalez' they checked in to. I don't even know that THIS ZG was taken into the police station to be interrogated. I don't think they believed for one minute @ that time there was a kidnapping, so they could very well have just checked the information, without taking her in to the police station.

I can't believe her boss just let her go because she had the same name as a ficticious nanny, especially when she was PROVED to not be the one in question. That's HER story, wonder what her boss' story is?

Amy, unless you lived here in Central Florida, you have no idea of what people went through for the first month. Everyone with the name Gonzalez was looked at funny, thinking they may have relative who kidnapped a child. I was stopped by an older Puerto Rican woman in a medical office because she was so upset because her name was Gonzalez and she thought people looked at her when they called her name. She needed someone to talk to and was almost in tears. It was not pleasant. If Zenaida Gonzalez wants to sue the Liar, then I say God Bless her and good luck.

Also, Florida is a right to work state. An employer can fire an employee for any reason. He could have let her go for performance if that was the problem. Since he specifically said it was her name, I take it to be the truth.

I'm dropping the issue from this point because I don't see the need in putting Zenaida through any more hardship.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Oohh! my blood is boiling. I have just been reading a site where tey posted the pics of the funeral home for Caylee both interior and exterior and then completely bagged the Anthonys's for using a cheap home. It seems obvious to me that this is all they can afford and everyone wanted them to pay for it themselves and they have. I personally couldn't give a rats ass if the funeral home does not look expensive and really if Caylees cremated remains were put in a lunch box(please don't throw things at me) I know many people who could afford no better and the only thing that is importnt is the love and care they take with those remains and no matter what else they may have done I beleive they will take good care of Caylees remains and should not be judged in such a fashion. Ok done now, go easy on me lol!

Before you blood boils too much, maybe we should think that there was a reason. Since a second examination or autopsy was to be performed on the remains it's possible that only certain facilities could be used to perform this examination. I don't know if this is the case or not, but I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt until I know for sure. We'll see where they hold the services.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Two Hearings Scheduled Thursday In Casey Anthony Cases

Thursday, January 8, 2009 – updated: 10:37 am EST January 8, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- There are two hearings scheduled Thursday at the Orange County courthouse in two different cases against Casey Anthony. The first hearing is concerning the civil case against Casey will be at 11:00am.

Next week, Casey is scheduled to give a deposition in a defamation lawsuit filed by a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez. Casey's attorney is trying to delay the deposition until after the criminal case.

WATCH LIVE: Hearing In Civil Case At 11AM
VIDEO REPORT: Hearings Scheduled

The second hearing is at 1:30pm, which has to do with evidence in the murder trial. Defense attorneys have objected to a prosecutor's request to put restrictions on x-rays and photos needed for a second autopsy.

Prosecutors said they don't want the pictures sold to the tabloids.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18436005/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Anthony case headed back to court today
Last Edited: Thursday, 08 Jan 2009, 7:14 AM EST
Created: Thursday, 08 Jan 2009, 7:10 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- There are two hearings scheduled today in the case against Casey Anthony.

The first hearing will be held at 11 a.m. and is a civil case filed by Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez against Casey Anthony. Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, alleges that his client's reputation was ruined when Casey used her name to identify her as the woman who possibly kidnapped her now deceased daughter.

READ Zenaida Gonzalez's lawsuit against Casey Anthony
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092408zenaidalawsuit/indexGallery.htm

The hearing will be held before Circuit Court Judge Jose Rodriquez. It is not believed that Casey Anthony will be present in court for this hearing.

At 1:30 p.m., a criminal case against Casey Anthony will be heard by Circuit Judge Stan Strickland. He is expected to rule on motions filed by Casey's defense team on Jan. 7.

READ the motions filed Jan. 7, 2009
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/010709baezmotions/indexGallery.htm

Just weeks ago, Judge Strickland gave the State Attorney's Office 14 days to turn over photos and x-rays taken during Caylee Marie’s autopsy to Casey's attorney, Jose Baez . Instead of handing those over on Tuesday, a motion to stay was filed, asking that tight restrictions be placed on the three discs containing those photos and x-rays.

The state said they only want Baez to have custody of the x-rays and photos. They are requesting that his co-counsel and expert witnesses be the only ones permitted to look at them and restrict Baez from reproducing, copying, emailing or mailing them anywhere and that the people who need to review them must do so in Baez’s presence.

Judge Strickland is expected to hear both sides of the argument this afternoon.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8214118&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Gatordog]

There was the big hoopla about Baez being able to take his laptop in to visit Casey, with the argument (and rightly so) about how much is actually done on computer these days. What is the possibility Casey could have gotten an email out to someone? Well, I don't know, seems the likely person to communicate w/would be brother Lee, but would he then direct D Casey to the area instead of "investigating" it himself?

Maybe Lee did investigate it back in August/September and found it and had kept quiet about it. Seeing the torment his parents were going through, maybe he had a private conversation with the PI asking for advice. Maybe the fact that every little girl in Florida was being photographed and people were have police show up at their house at 2 a.m. led him to think that the remains had to be found.

Gator

[applesandorange]

Hey gang!!!

Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. I'm at my mom's for the winter break (she has satellite TV and we don't YET), and Katey's been hogging the internet...:(

First, I hope everyone had a Merry what-ever-you-celebrate-in-the-winter, and a Happy New Year!!!

Okay-I have a THEORY.

What if things were degrading in the Anthony household, and the Skank knew she was going to be forced to shape up or ship out???

I THINK that maybe she was trying to FAKE a kidnapping, and thinks went totally wrong.

Think about it. She had a pre-manufactured story about the nanny, then jumped to the nanny and family grabbing Caylee in the park. And all the script bull-chit.

That may have been her cover story for the family and LE alike.

"The nanny and family are holding Caylee-NOT sweet, innocent, pretty little ME."

I THINK that maybe she thought that she could hit Mommy and Daddy up for money by creating a kidnapping situation, and holding Caylee for ransom, but Caylee died in the process, due to the tape and chloroform.

That set in motion all the lies and wild goose chase.

What if the Skank made it a game with Caylee...

"Let's play a game!! I'll hide you in the trunk (while she was at Tony's), and we'll surprise Tony in a little while!!!"

Meanwhile, she gets Caylee dosed up with chloroform, tapes her up so she doesn't scream bloody murder if she wakes up early, and she either od's on the chloroform, or aspirates on her own vomit while taped up.

By the time the Skank comes back to the car, Caylee's dead, and there goes her chance to get mad-money from Mommy and Daddy.

That would explain why she was all taped up, and how she possibly died.

It may have been accidental, but it's STILL MURDER!!

Also, I think Padilla's "daisy-chain" theory is a bucket of CHIT!!!

Don't get me wrong-I like the man for NOT GIVING UP ON FINDING CAYLEE, but he's out of his element on this, and it seems like he's making things up as he goes along-to take everything that comes up into account-much like the Skank does.

I honestly don't think Mr. Kronk had a blessed thing to do with this case, other than being in the wrong place at the right time-or the right place at the wrong time-depending on how you look at his discovery of Caylee's body. I believe he's TOTALLY INNOCENT, and he's a HERO for finding what nobody else could find.

I also THINK that Hoover just wasn't in the right spot while he was filming the site. It's a BIG AREA, and he just happened to miss the body, and now it's sour grapes and screw the meter reader.

What ya all think???


Hi Samantha :seeya: I think your theory makes a lot of sense. I wonder if we will ever really know the truth?

[Gatordog]

I just looked at veromi.com for the given name Zenaida with six different hispanic surnames at random and came up with 169 hits. I'm thinking Zenaida is a fairly common name (although I searched it's origins a while back and it's Greek for "power of Zeus".)

My mom is Puerto Rican and she had never heard the name before. I have never run across anyone with that name before. I'm wondering if it's more popular in Central America than the Carribbean.

[applesandorange]

Maybe Lee did investigate it back in August/September and found it and had kept quiet about it. Seeing the torment his parents were going through, maybe he had a private conversation with the PI asking for advice. Maybe the fact that every little girl in Florida was being photographed and people were have police show up at their house at 2 a.m. led him to think that the remains had to be found.

Gator


That's along the same lines as what I was thinking. Lee found the body and asked the PI what to do. OR told the PI about it thinking they would go recover the remains. Lee sure couldn't risk finding them. The media would have made it out that he murdered Caylee if he would have found them.

[Gatordog]

Ever since Baez failed to pick up the tips CD and complained about the cost I have thought that this law firm was strapped and as Casey has no money I wondered if they could even afford to be doing the case with the funds they have available.:shrug:

Baez might be getting money from the state as the Liar probably declared herself indigient or it's from the $200K someone received from selling Caylee videos.

[Gatordog]

Hey gang!!!

Sorry I've been AWOL for a while. I'm at my mom's for the winter break (she has satellite TV and we don't YET), and Katey's been hogging the internet...:(

First, I hope everyone had a Merry what-ever-you-celebrate-in-the-winter, and a Happy New Year!!!

Okay-I have a THEORY.

What if things were degrading in the Anthony household, and the Skank knew she was going to be forced to shape up or ship out???

I THINK that maybe she was trying to FAKE a kidnapping, and thinks went totally wrong.

Think about it. She had a pre-manufactured story about the nanny, then jumped to the nanny and family grabbing Caylee in the park. And all the script bull-chit.

That may have been her cover story for the family and LE alike.

"The nanny and family are holding Caylee-NOT sweet, innocent, pretty little ME."

I THINK that maybe she thought that she could hit Mommy and Daddy up for money by creating a kidnapping situation, and holding Caylee for ransom, but Caylee died in the process, due to the tape and chloroform.

That set in motion all the lies and wild goose chase.

What if the Skank made it a game with Caylee...

"Let's play a game!! I'll hide you in the trunk (while she was at Tony's), and we'll surprise Tony in a little while!!!"

Meanwhile, she gets Caylee dosed up with chloroform, tapes her up so she doesn't scream bloody murder if she wakes up early, and she either od's on the chloroform, or aspirates on her own vomit while taped up.

By the time the Skank comes back to the car, Caylee's dead, and there goes her chance to get mad-money from Mommy and Daddy.

That would explain why she was all taped up, and how she possibly died.

It may have been accidental, but it's STILL MURDER!!

Also, I think Padilla's "daisy-chain" theory is a bucket of CHIT!!!

Don't get me wrong-I like the man for NOT GIVING UP ON FINDING CAYLEE, but he's out of his element on this, and it seems like he's making things up as he goes along-to take everything that comes up into account-much like the Skank does.

I honestly don't think Mr. Kronk had a blessed thing to do with this case, other than being in the wrong place at the right time-or the right place at the wrong time-depending on how you look at his discovery of Caylee's body. I believe he's TOTALLY INNOCENT, and he's a HERO for finding what nobody else could find.

I also THINK that Hoover just wasn't in the right spot while he was filming the site. It's a BIG AREA, and he just happened to miss the body, and now it's sour grapes and screw the meter reader.

What ya all think???

It's a good theory. She could have tried to make herself look like a hero by finding Caylee a week later. This could be exactly what George and Cindy thought and tried to convince themselves that the horrible smell was pizza even though they knew in their brains it was not possible.

[Gatordog]

It seems to me that because Casey was so specific in giving a name that had 3 names not the usual 2 that this is not such a common name. There may be 30 Zenaida Gonzalezs' in Orlando but how many Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalezs' are there? I just thought I'd throw that in the mix. I really don't care. The truth is Casey the Liar made the whole thing up and that is that. She is responsible for her childs death and should be punished. As far as all the rumors about the investigor lnowing where the body was a month before it was found it is just that a rumor. Until LE confirmes this I am not buying it.:rolleyes:

There are 18 million people in Florida, one million in Orlando. For 30 people in the state to have that name, and I think it might have been 8 in all of Central Florida, it's no coincidence.

[applesandorange]

Baez might be getting money from the state as the Liar probably declared herself indigient or it's from the $200K someone received from selling Caylee videos.

Or maybe Casey made a deal with Baez that he can sell all the pics and videos he needs to to get his payment.:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

My mom is Puerto Rican and she had never heard the name before. I have never run across anyone with that name before. I'm wondering if it's more popular in Central America than the Carribbean.

Well, I'm thinking it's more popular in the Mediterranean. I really think Casey just found a guest card with the name "Zenaida" on it through sheer dumb luck, and it played into her Zanny/Xanax stories (if you believe that she had drugged Caylee in the past). That there was a last name on the card was icing on the cake.

[javahog]

Oohh! my blood is boiling. I have just been reading a site where tey posted the pics of the funeral home for Caylee both interior and exterior and then completely bagged the Anthonys's for using a cheap home. It seems obvious to me that this is all they can afford and everyone wanted them to pay for it themselves and they have. I personally couldn't give a rats ass if the funeral home does not look expensive and really if Caylees cremated remains were put in a lunch box(please don't throw things at me) I know many people who could afford no better and the only thing that is importnt is the love and care they take with those remains and no matter what else they may have done I beleive they will take good care of Caylees remains and should not be judged in such a fashion. Ok done now, go easy on me lol!

I'm with you! There were two funeral homes where I used to live, and most of us used the small family one rather than the "expensive" corporation one, because they were a family who had been in town forever, taking care of generations. So what if the stucco was cracked?

It is not the funeral home that matters, it is how she is taken care of. Let's judge that.

[lorettalockhorn]

So what if the stucco was cracked?

It is not the funeral home that matters, it is how she is taken care of. Let's judge that.

ITA

And I suppose I understand what Henry Lee was saying about the delay in funeral services, based on the need for the defense to need additional samples for additional tests. I suppose. I mean, what tests, Henry?