Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

Hugs back atcha.

Everyone here has huge hearts that are breaking for a tiny life that was cut too short.

All that talk about our dogs made me realize that I haven't changed my avatar lately. Meet Butch and Sundance.

So cute! I thought if I clicked them I could see them better. Guess I'll have to get my magnifying glass. http://i31.tinypic.com/amv394.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

I'm thinking that Cindy didn't NEED the nanny info, because, until Casey left the house w/Caylee, she (Caylee) was in the care of either George, Cindy or Casey. George was off work until about the time Casey left, as far as I can tell. And CIndy worked days, George's security job was an evening/night thing. Why would they sent the baby off to some nanny or sitter? I don't think they did. Cindy says she had "heard" of the nanny, she does NOT say that Caylee was in the CARE of the nanny. She might really have heard Casey mention Zanny the nanny, seeing as how, in 2006, Casey had told Mr Grund that is who would be watching Caylee. IMO, once the chit hit the fan, and Casey was talking about the nanny, Cindy just went along w/it.

I just have trouble w/their stories all over the place. I am one who does NOT think that George and Cindy really tho't Casey had a job. Especially a job that one would think would bring in a fairly good salary, it's not like an "event planner" would be bringing home the paycheck of a McDonald's employee, or of a "photographer" @ a Colorvision kiosk. So, I don't think there was any need of a nanny, not when they lived w/the A's, and not when she went on the "vacation" to "bond" w/Caylee. So, we harangue @ Cindy about not having the nanny info, when, because there WAS no nanny, there was no need to get that info. Cindy made a pretty big gaffe when she acknowledged the nanny story.

I had not caught that before. Very astute thinking! Why would Casey go on a vacation to bond with her child then leave the child with a baby sitter? Wasn't she also working in Jacksonville or somewhere and stating with some man? This gal really gets around.

[javahog]

Okay, wacko theory here. Accepting as a premise that there a kernel of truth in every lie...When Casey is caught lying at Universal she says she is going to familiar places where Caylee might be, against all logic...could she have been trying to find Caylee's spirit? That would explain her comment that she was close to home and she would know if that changed...her kernels were based on a ghost Caylee.

I told you it was wacko...

[javahog]

Okay, wacko theory here. Accepting as a premise that there a kernel of truth in every lie...When Casey is caught lying at Universal she says she is going to familiar places where Caylee might be, against all logic...could she have been trying to find Caylee's spirit? That would explain her comment that she was close to home and she would know if that changed...her kernels were based on a ghost Caylee.

I told you it was wacko...





okay, too wacko

[lighthousedazy]

Okay, wacko theory here. Accepting as a premise that there a kernel of truth in every lie...When Casey is caught lying at Universal she says she is going to familiar places where Caylee might be, against all logic...could she have been trying to find Caylee's spirit? That would explain her comment that she was close to home and she would know if that changed...her kernels were based on a ghost Caylee.

I told you it was wacko...I don't think it's too wacko. It was strange when she told Lee to look in places familiar to the family. I don't know if she wanted him to find the remains, or remove the remains, or what? I am not an analyst, but I believe a sociopath lives in a dream world. jmo :shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

Old Soul, your theory sounds good and some very good points, but I just can't get past the computer searches for death, neck breaking, chloroform, etc. and the duct tape to not believe that it was premeditated. I also remember reading (sorry don't have the link) that she wanted to go to Puerto Rico with her friends but Caylee posed a problem. This case is so horrendous and tragic. :rose:

[applesandorange]

It took me awhile, but I wanted to read everyone's view on this current topic before I posted.

MHO, OK~

Casey started researching chloroform because Caylee was getting older..before, she might have used Benadry or cough syrup, even when she WAS with Casey, to keep her sleeping longer at times. I think the death was accidental, because she apparently didn't put her ducks in a row...That Flurry of phone calls(17th? I think..remember I have CRS) was when she found Caylee dead in the trunk. Those phone calls are a big key in this case ~ mark my words ~ wait till trial and see how the Pros. jumps allover that chit. At that moment and from then on Casey Anthony was in 'cover your a**' mode, big time.

An important thing to remember, is that for at least 8 hours during the day, Casey and Caylee would be gone. That leaves dinnertime, and a couple of hours for C & G to spend with Caylee. They babysat most nights, and we can presume Casey was out later in the evening, with a valid excuse..hanging with friends or her current amour dujour. No time for chit chat much with Casey then. As a matter of fact, don't I remember Cindy being pissed because Casey wouldn't come home till like 2 AM? She started complaining if I remember right. Weekends were split up ~ either Casey would take her or C & G would take her , depending on what was happening that weekend. Sounds pretty normal, doesn't it? No glitches, except for Casey staying out late a bit too often. A mom telling her young daughter to be home earlier/more to spend time with her kid. I bet that story is played out every day, thousands of times across the country.

You see, there were no red flags where that was concerned. Where do you tie in funds that are stolen from family members, and those lies, to thinking your daughter is going to hurt or even (gulp) kill her child. You don't. There is no connection.

In the course of everyday life, all these little things don't add up to one big AH HA!!!!! It isn't till after the fact, that we come to understand the story. In the middle of it....everything is just an event that happens as we go along reading/living (so to speak) that story.

An example would be a boy/girl whose parents know drugs are out there, ok. In the schools (yep, best place to get the good stuff BTW), from friends, or shall we say acquaintances. So the parents assume, that somewhere along the way, maybe, just maybe Johnny has tried it. His grades are still good, he's still the same kid, but just not around the family as much, just hanging out doing what kids do. The next thing, this child is dead from a bullet while committing a robbery for drug money.

The parents are shocked. What drugs?! Disbelief. Never in their wildest dreams did they see this coming. He ate dinner with them everynight, nothing was different. Still kissed his mom when he left the house.........They will never accept he did it himself, someone tricked him into it! Denial ,because their lives were still the same, as it always was and even though he did a 'couple of things before' and they were wrong, he couldn't have been doing drugs.

Does this sound crazy? Of course! But it's real life, it's happened; and when we are busy in our everyday lives, there is no way to put 2 + 2 together unless we KNOW to...whether we are G & C, or just you & me........

Sorry for this long post..C & G were remiss, but I think you would have to be a psychoanalyst to think there was danger in letting Casey take her daughter with her.

OK....Throw it at me.I have my gladiator garb on.........ready......


This make a lot of sense. A LOT but not total. From what I am understanding G&C at the very least had a suspision that Casey wasn't working yet they let her play that little charade out and take Caylee to heavan knows where with no questions on where they go day in and day out. That too me just doesn't fly. And if they believed that she was working why did they never meet the nanny? For as controlling as Cindy seems to be you would think she would have met her in person before even allowing Caylee to get babysat by her. Cindy referred to herself as mommy to Caylee for Pete's sake. That coupled with the chloroform searches, death by inhalation, neck breaking, missing children webistes, yadda yadda.... Oh and that duct tape around Caylee's skull, makes it so unbelievable that this was just an accident. Granted maybe she didn't want it to happen when it did but she sure was planning for it to happen some time.

This case is so heart wresnching. People like all of us can never understand what Casey was thinking when she killed that poor baby.

[javahog]

You are right, I guess I'm just thinking for the moment about C & G's culpability in all this..

As for her searches.....whew...........that remains a loaded question. A few pages back, everyone was joking about existing searches on their computers and God Forbid the LAW or anyone (LOL) getting a lookie at that stuff :eek:
Between JonBenet and The Black Dahlia and Caylee, I'd be arrested on that stuff alone!!

Poor Casey didn't get to go to PR ~ instead wound up on a shopping spree that week, courtesy of Amy H...........while her daughter's fluids were decaying in the car at Amscot parking lot. She had already disposed of caylee. :cuss:

And then went out clubbing to do the x-rated version of the Snoopy Dance:flamemad:

[STLcardfan]

My oldest granddaughter was born to my son and GF while in high school. They lived with me for a couple of years. There was many times I question where her Mother was taking her, who she was leaving her with etc. The bottom line although I was providing full support room and board I was not the legal guardian. I had no say, no control what so ever legally. I even secretly spoke to attorneys as I to be worried about her safety. There was nothing I could do unless I could prove abuse or neglect. I am sure Cindy was at her wits end but her hands were tied. Caylee was not her child.

I eventually had to hire attorneys for my Son and myself when she hooked up with a loser and decided we did not need to be in her life any more. 10 years and $30,000 later we are about to go back to court again as she refuses to abide to the court order. Some woman just should not be Mothers.:flamemad:

[STLcardfan]

Regardless of who is technically the head of the household, Casey is an adult and LEGALLY is responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter where she lives Cindy is not responsible for her.

I've been trying to think of what Cindy could have done and I'm coming up blank. I guess she could have reported the theft when she discovered Casey was stealing money from them. That would have done nothing but alienate Casey and probably would have prompted her to leave with her daughter earlier than she did -- but that has nothing to do with "protecting Caylee". The whole thing came to a head when Cindy discovered Casey was stealing from Cindy's father. That is what precipitated the blow out and caused Casey to leave the house. She was Caylee's mother and had every right to take HER child and go wherever she chose. Parents deny visitation with grandparents every day and it is their choice. If she called LE and said my daughter won't let me see or speak to my granddaughter, she would have been told to file the complaint in family court. LE absolutely won't get involved at this juncture. CPS won't get involved either -- the child (as far as anyone knew or suspected) wasn't in any danger. For all anyone knew Casey was being spiteful and wanting to hurt Cindy by removing the thing she cared about most. Tell me what Cindy should have reported and what anyone (LE or CPS) should have done LEGALLY.

At this stage of the story, it would have to go through legal chanels and that takes time. Casey had every right as the custodial parent to take her child and leave Cindy's home. No one -- NO ONE -- could have stopped her. If Cindy had reported a history of abuse and told LE that Caylee was in imminent danger, then something could have been done. She wasn't. Nobody could have predicted the baby would end up dead. No one, including Cindy, could have known that.

The "plenty of other people" you refer to are also making judgments about Cindy based on what we know now. We all have 20/20 vision.

your 100% right I lived it

[sharlock]

Her post gives me pangs everytime I read it. I guess I'm just feeling it/this differently than you guys. Yes, she's a @#$% for handling things the way she
did After calling LE....she's a lunatic! But this sounds like a person who is very sad. Truly.

While our many discussions bring out a lot of 'what if's' in this dysfunctional family, Cindy loved Caylee with all her heart. This post of hers captures the true essence of her spiteful daughter, and also tells of the amount of responsibility C & G had regarding caylee. Casey never owned up to being a mother...we know that. She threw Caylee in their laps willingly to have freedom. Hence, THE TRADEOFF. A child who runs to grandma & grandpa before her mom. Whose fault does it become? This was written July 3rd, right, so was it to make Casey feel guilty for not bringing Caylee around, or was she just speaking out loud, with sadness? She knew Casey would still do what the He** she wanted to do. She also knew her daughter was a spiteful @#$%!...because her daughter was just like her ~ and she knew it.

Interesting, but did anyone catch on NG the transcripts/video repeats for the past couple of days ~ George talks about when Caylee was born, the nurses cleaned her up, and handed the baby to Cindy. He said that Casey didn't react too well to that, and could be what began of the 'problems'.

This Myspace post and her frantic 911 call, in full, are very sad indeed.

MHO..........:shrug:
* I see it also says 'last updated July 16th'..........(?) July 3rd is the day she signed up ~ it's her first post.

I thought it was interesting that after this was posted by Cindy Jesse receives a call from Casey telling him not to answer phone calls from her mother and not to talk to her. Cindy knew Casey would read this and she did and she reacted immediately in a defensive way imo.

[sharlock]

I don't know about the level of Lee's involvement. I can't make up my mind if I think he was involved in anything illegal. If he did something "unwitting", ignorance of the law is no defense and should be prosecuted. A jury may take into consideration that his intentions were good and didn't know what he did was illegal but he can still be prosecuted.

You are absolutely right about silence being their best friend right now. Anything Lee says will be interpreted 100 different ways -- he is truly in a no win situation. He and his attorney have decided not to dignify the rumors with any kind of response. That is smart.

I have to disagree here. IMO if the attorney made a statement that Lee was not the father of Caylee and was devestated that such a rumor could even be given any credence at all~ he would kill the rumour. Noone would beleive e was lying because that would only hurt Lee more in the long wrong and lets face it this is a horrible rumour and if it isn't true someone should squash it but that has not happened??? If the atty can make statements about how Lee might be prosecuted and so forth, which actually started a lot of conjecture on the topic then surely he can stand up for Lee here if he is not in the wrong. That would just be good sense to me and even before this atty noone ever tried to squash the rumours yet they spoke on every other topic under the sun... Why?:shrug:

[sharlock]

Dunno what she's thinking now if she thinks at all beyond her own self undoing. I know this: A Grandmothers roll is to bake cookies, oversee pride in her daughter's gifts and be there if she is needed. I have a slue of grandchildren and they are all around Caylee's age. They are the loves of my life, but I have no say in their doings. I respect their mother's an never give them permission to do anything except play with Nonnie. I've had them in my care part time since they were 3 months old. They love to come to my house. They grew up with me knowing that their mommy's are the boss, not Nonnie.

(I have several negotiators in the clan)

Nonnie can I have soda?
No, your mommy doesn't allow that.
Nonnie can we go to the beach?
When Mommy comes home, you ask because she's the boss.
But Nawn! She won't be mad if we go!
Nope, I'm the Nonnie, Mommy is the boss.
But, Nawn!
Sorry, she's the boss!
But,,
How about we make muffins, that's more fun than the beach!
How about tomorrow? Can we go to the beach and have soda tomorrow?
Ahhhh, nope, not unless you ask your mommy!
But why?
Because God gave you to mommy and she's the boss, boss, boss. I'm jsut the Nonnie and nonnie's are not the boss of you.
Are you the boss of poppa?
Yes!

So let's hear it! Who is the boss of you? MOMMY!!!!! In sinc, all 5 little girls sing it loud!

:)

You sound like an awesome Nonnie! Unfortunately some Nanna's are forced to act as the primary caregiver at different points or all of the time so the child does not go without and though legally this gives them no protection it should. If a parent is not providing for the child then it is just terrible that a grandparent technically should sit by and et the child show signs of neglect so that they can begin the process of establishing their rights to protect the child. I feel so sorry for STLcard fan and the position they have found themselves in to see their grandchild as well it is heart breaking but all too common.

[sharlock]

It's gotta be tough on your family to have to deal w/this. And especially tough when family is the only people who SEE and KNOW what she can do. Cuz, you all are the ones who look like nuts to the outside world, not her.

Thankfully, the only tug of wars I know of, the moms just threaten to keep the kids away from the grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc. And, some do. The one who lived in my house for a while--She always goes back to her mom or her dad, altho it's been since August since DD and I have seen her little girl. She has issues, but they are different than the ones I think abounded in the A home.
It is Amy and heartbreaking to know that you are powerless to help your sister get better because she refuses to acknowledge there is anything wrong. The reality of dealing with a person like this and the stories you could tell about various experiences sound so far fetched to outsiders that it is difficult for them to believe you are not embellishing. I has broken my Mums heart and to be honest I think that was exactly what my sister wwanted to do, so sad.
Your experience is something I have heard of from lots of families and I feel that it is far too common for parents to use their children as bargaining chips. Essntially I do beleive little Caylee was used as a bargaining chip too in some ways. Cindy knew she had to at least try and keep Casey somewhat appeased if she wanted to keep Caylee in her home and help her grandchild. A terrible place to be I think.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by Danagher http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9150789#post9150789)
Awww, not really dep. I believe we all feel Cindy's pain and know Casey was the legal mommy, but she did raise that cockroach and well, it's my guess that we also feel Cindy could have stepped on Casey's neck a little harder for the sake of Caylee's safety. That's all..and we can agree to disagree. It's a great bunch here. No bad, all good.

Group Hug. :tongue:

We are all on Caylee's side, and that is the same side:rose:
Aaww! I just love this forum you guys are so sweet!:seeya:

[sharlock]

Oh! Glad you mentioned that segment. After she caved and told them that she didn't work there, they took her into some kind of conference room and continued to interview her. So does anyone wonder if LE actually knew that Casey was feeding them a line of bull before that? Had they already found out that Mr. Manly (and any of the others) and the job didn't exist? Or were the detectives still flying by the seat of the pants when they were talking to her?

No, they all knew she was lying before they went there however they did say that when she was walking down the corridor with such purpose they were beginning to wonder whether they had made a mistake and thought she might have actually been telling the truth... That is till liar turns around suddenly and admits she has no office!

[sharlock]

I guess what I have perceived Lee as doing was more accessory after the fact. But, I was also under the impression from news articles and posts @ the first of the case, that he did not live anywhere near the A's, that there had been a rift between him and George and hadn't even been @ the house for some time. For example, there were reports that he hadn't even seen Caylee for 1.5 years when this all went down.

Now, it seems he lived right around the block from the A's. And the problem was it seems Lee and Casey were on Cindy's side in her and George's separation. So, I don't know--had he been seeing, talking with Cindy, Casey and Caylee all along? If so, he would be able to answer the question as to how much time Casey actually spent taking care of Caylee. He would have to have known, even as much as his parents that Casey didn't have a job.

As for paternity, I must not have watched any of the shows where LP says publicly that Lee is Caylee's father. I had only read it on message boards. I didn't get to read the boards some days @ all, let alone watch NG, so missed the start up of the speculations. As for the A's and Casey--they have said their piece about who the FOB is, and for them to start jumping in and making a big deal about the Lee thing would only fan the fires, I would think. And, the attorney corrected himself--again, if THEY make a big deal about the slip, especially if it is in error, people would be climbing all over how they are CYA on the issue.

I, for one, think that we will hear no more from the A's about who Caylee's dad is. No matter WHO it is. If they truly do not know, we will never hear that from them, either. I think daddy who was never in her life but was killed in an accident on the way to her 2nd birthday party is as good as it's gonna get on that issue. I don't think Cindy will ever produce the obit from whatever drawer it was put in, either.

George said that Lee held a grudge against him and that both Casey and Lee sided with Cindy over the divorce because George lost all of their money. He never implied that Lee didn't live close he actualy said I think that Lee often visited the house but for quite some time would only visit when George wasn't home. I got the impression that the rift was somewhat mended though at the time he was telling this. Interestingly Gerge made as big a deal of the fact Casey was pregnant as the lost money in relation to the rift in the family. Lee said the last time he saw Caylee iirc was on his Mums birthday and the whole family got together at the house except Casey who went out and left Caylee at home. That was only a month before I think.

[sharlock]

We don't even know what, if anything, the therapist advised her to do. She could have been complaining about Casey's lack of interest in being a mother to Caylee and the therapist MAY have said "if you feel that way maybe you should look into gaining full custody". I can't even remember where this business about the therapist came from. Is it in one of Cindy's statements to LE? Is is something George reported? How reliable is it? Is it something that has been blown out of proportion? I'd like to know in what context this statement was made and exactly what the therapist said.

As far as we know, Caylee wasn't abused. As far as we know, Caylee wasn't neglected. In all the videos we've seen she seems like a sweet, loving little girl. I am as certain as I can be that Cindy loved that child and never, ever suspected she was in any physical danger -- especially at the hands of her own mother.

Instead of blaming Cindy for things she didn't do that only seem critical in retrospect, blame the person who was directly responsible. You're right -- Cindy wasn't perfect. If she could go back in time, don't you think she would have made some very different decisions? It's too late for that, but SHE didn't murder Caylee. If she was clairvoyant and could see the danger Casey posed to Caylee, don't you think she would have protected her somehow? I can't believe you think she knew Caylee was in physical danger and just stood by doing nothing.
The therapist was mentioned in emails Cindy's mother wrote to her sister and in those she is repeating what Cindy had told her. Also Cindy mentioned in her intervie with the FBI that she had seen a therapist in order to try and solve the probs that were starting in her house.

[tv]

I know that. Everyone has an opinion and we don't always agree. While I don't hold Cindy responsible for what Casey did, I respect the opinion of those who do. And, I somewhat understand why you and Loretta feel the way you do.That's the way I feel, deputydi. There is a great bunch of people here and having different opinions and theories is what makes this thread interesting. While I don't blame Cindy for what happened to Caylee her behavior after the fact is maddening to me. I don't care what she and George say publically or through their lawyer -- they have to know Casey killed Caylee. If not, why haven't they visited Casey in jail?

[tv]

Oooof!!!! My GOD!!!!!

Then maybe the google search for missing children was done by Cindy and George, not Casey! Could they have suspected that Casey got rid of Caylee or could they have searched the sight to find out how to go about finding Caylee because Casey refused to let them see her and they wanted to find out where she was? Maybe?

Or ,,,, was that search done before Casey left the house, in which case there lies the possibility that Casey threatened to take her away and Cindy wanted ammunition to use by way of info that she could throw at Casey in response to her threats. Example: "You try that and I'll find her because I know how to find her."

I'm losing it! :confused: I feel like I'm writing a murder mystery in some dark cellar with a lightbulb hanging over my head and I haven't shaved my legs in months. tap tap tap tap tap....


LOL, what a mental picture! I love it. :tongue:

Danagher, I think the missing child searches were done in March before Caylee went missing.

[khristmaskathy]

Hi to everyone,

I have not ever posted on this website but have been reading it for the past couple of days. I stumbled across Nancy Grace during the holidays and have been overwhelmed by the information regarding the missing child Caylee. I did a search and found this website. It is incredible to me that this little girl is dead---so many people would have taken her in a heartbeat and she could have had a good life. I am a preK teacher in my school system and my children are not a whole lot older than little Caylee. My heart is broken at what happened to her and your group here seems to be people with kind hearts, senses of humor and just a good place to be. I look forward to posting here, to reading your thoughts and I am a devoted Nancy Grace fan, now. Happy New Year to all of you!

[lorettalockhorn]

It took me awhile, but I wanted to read everyone's view on this current topic before I posted.

MHO, OK~

Casey started researching chloroform because Caylee was getting older..before, she might have used Benadry or cough syrup, even when she WAS with Casey, to keep her sleeping longer at times. I think the death was accidental, because she apparently didn't put her ducks in a row...That Flurry of phone calls(17th? I think..remember I have CRS) was when she found Caylee dead in the trunk. Those phone calls are a big key in this case ~ mark my words ~ wait till trial and see how the Pros. jumps allover that chit. At that moment and from then on Casey Anthony was in 'cover your a**' mode, big time.

An important thing to remember, is that for at least 8 hours during the day, Casey and Caylee would be gone. That leaves dinnertime, and a couple of hours for C & G to spend with Caylee. They babysat most nights, and we can presume Casey was out later in the evening, with a valid excuse..hanging with friends or her current amour dujour. No time for chit chat much with Casey then. As a matter of fact, don't I remember Cindy being pissed because Casey wouldn't come home till like 2 AM? She started complaining if I remember right. Weekends were split up ~ either Casey would take her or C & G would take her , depending on what was happening that weekend. Sounds pretty normal, doesn't it? No glitches, except for Casey staying out late a bit too often. A mom telling her young daughter to be home earlier/more to spend time with her kid. I bet that story is played out every day, thousands of times across the country.

You see, there were no red flags where that was concerned. Where do you tie in funds that are stolen from family members, and those lies, to thinking your daughter is going to hurt or even (gulp) kill her child. You don't. There is no connection.

In the course of everyday life, all these little things don't add up to one big AH HA!!!!! It isn't till after the fact, that we come to understand the story. In the middle of it....everything is just an event that happens as we go along reading/living (so to speak) that story.

An example would be a boy/girl whose parents know drugs are out there, ok. In the schools (yep, best place to get the good stuff BTW), from friends, or shall we say acquaintances. So the parents assume, that somewhere along the way, maybe, just maybe Johnny has tried it. His grades are still good, he's still the same kid, but just not around the family as much, just hanging out doing what kids do. The next thing, this child is dead from a bullet while committing a robbery for drug money.

The parents are shocked. What drugs?! Disbelief. Never in their wildest dreams did they see this coming. He ate dinner with them everynight, nothing was different. Still kissed his mom when he left the house.........They will never accept he did it himself, someone tricked him into it! Denial ,because their lives were still the same, as it always was and even though he did a 'couple of things before' and they were wrong, he couldn't have been doing drugs.

Does this sound crazy? Of course! But it's real life, it's happened; and when we are busy in our everyday lives, there is no way to put 2 + 2 together unless we KNOW to...whether we are G & C, or just you & me........

Sorry for this long post..C & G were remiss, but I think you would have to be a psychoanalyst to think there was danger in letting Casey take her daughter with her.

OK....Throw it at me.I have my gladiator garb on.........ready......

I disagree, but maybe it's just that I'm so damned judgmental and have the benefit of hindsight. Casey showed her desperation by accelerating her thieving behavior. I love the use of the word "remiss"; G&C were certainly that. Casey didn't have to follow the rules of adulthood while living under Cindy's roof. (Heck, George barely got away with his recklessness while living under Cindy's roof!) Cindy could have reported the car stolen the day of the big blowup when surely it occurred to her that Casey might be seething with revenge over the shouting match/choking incident. Much of what Casey told LE will come back to bite her in the ass, and the same could very well be true for Cindy. She labeled Casey as a sociopath, blabbed about the therapist advising a custody suit, and spewed venom at most of the decent folks who tried to help her find the truth about what happened.

[lighthousedazy]

Hi to everyone,

I have not ever posted on this website but have been reading it for the past couple of days. I stumbled across Nancy Grace during the holidays and have been overwhelmed by the information regarding the missing child Caylee. I did a search and found this website. It is incredible to me that this little girl is dead---so many people would have taken her in a heartbeat and she could have had a good life. I am a preK teacher in my school system and my children are not a whole lot older than little Caylee. My heart is broken at what happened to her and your group here seems to be people with kind hearts, senses of humor and just a good place to be. I look forward to posting here, to reading your thoughts and I am a devoted Nancy Grace fan, now. Happy New Year to all of you!Welcome Khristmaskathy. This is such a heartbreaking and tragic case. So many people would have taken Caylee in. :rose: Happy New Year to you also.

[Gatordog]

Oh! Glad you mentioned that segment. After she caved and told them that she didn't work there, they took her into some kind of conference room and continued to interview her. So does anyone wonder if LE actually knew that Casey was feeding them a line of bull before that? Had they already found out that Mr. Manly (and any of the others) and the job didn't exist? Or were the detectives still flying by the seat of the pants when they were talking to her?

LE knew that she did not work at Universal before they went there. They were just giving her more rope to hang herself. I think they were even shocked at how far she went with her story. Even after she says she didn't work there, she was still talking about her phone from Universal.

My favorite line is when the Liar said she wanted to go to Universal to see if Caylee was there. The detective said "and how was she supposed to get here, take a cab?" :D

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I thought it was interesting that after this was posted by Cindy Jesse receives a call from Casey telling him not to answer phone calls from her mother and not to talk to her. Cindy knew Casey would read this and she did and she reacted immediately in a defensive way imo.

AHA! The old divide and conquer tactic. Not so different from the isolation techniques that abusive partners use.

I have to disagree here. IMO if the attorney made a statement that Lee was not the father of Caylee and was devestated that such a rumor could even be given any credence at all~ he would kill the rumour. Noone would beleive e was lying because that would only hurt Lee more in the long wrong and lets face it this is a horrible rumour and if it isn't true someone should squash it but that has not happened??? If the atty can make statements about how Lee might be prosecuted and so forth, which actually started a lot of conjecture on the topic then surely he can stand up for Lee here if he is not in the wrong. That would just be good sense to me and even before this atty noone ever tried to squash the rumours yet they spoke on every other topic under the sun... Why?:shrug:

Those rumors have been around since very early in the case. I don't think there will ever be any quashing of it unless Caylee's father is revealed. And I don't think that will happen unless he is a part of the case and it goes to motive. Cannot believe that LP gets away with making the claim every chance he gets.

I do think it's important that Caylee's father know about his paternity; he and his family have been deprived of having known her and being part of her life. Whether or not he comes forward is his business and should be his choice.

Can you imagine how Jesus Ortiz's parents felt when reporters showed up on their doorstep asking questions about him being Caylee's father? That in itself is proof of what cretins the Anthonys are.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, they all knew she was lying before they went there however they did say that when she was walking down the corridor with such purpose they were beginning to wonder whether they had made a mistake and thought she might have actually been telling the truth... That is till liar turns around suddenly and admits she has no office!

I was just reading Chuck Hustmyre's feature late last night, and he outline how Melich had gone to Universal to get the lowdown and then had Casey delivered to him there. That incident really brings home Casey's ability to lie and just keep lying.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/caylee_anthony/1.html

[Gatordog]

:) Been there done that! I miss my dogs. They're all in dog heaven now. We had 2 chows and a Shep all around the same age. Yep, the fence and so much more. :rose:

Danagher - it's time for you to go to the humane society or animal shelter and rescue a dog. It will enrich your life.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I haven't read all the posts yet, but I did read the long post by Old Soul and Loretta's reply. It brought me to another possibility. Now, I'm not defending Cindy, but I can understand her frustration. It was only recently that Cindy was getting tougher on the Liar about watching Caylee. The Liar replied a few times in email to another boyfriend that she couldn't go out because her mother would not watch Cayle or the "little Snotnose". Perhaps Cindy was trying to either get the Liar to be a better mother or get her to give up her parental rights. Maybe that's why Cindy finds this so hard to accept because she blames herself for her plan backfiring. She was making demands that the Liar spend more time with Caylee and be home with her instead of George and Cindy watching her every night. Perhaps she thought this was a way of getting the Liar to turn over custody and instead it caused Caylee's death.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Press Conference Expected From Anthonys' Private Investigators

Monday, January 5, 2009 – updated: 10:11 am EST January 5, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that two of the Anthonys' private investigators, Jim Hoover and Dominic Casey, are planning on holding a news conference Monday. A time has not been released.

Brand new evidence could potentially tie Casey Anthony to her daughter's body. A mystery videotape of the crime scene, shot by one of the Anthonys' private investigators weeks before Caylee was found, reportedly shows their other private investigator on the phone. But who is he talking to?

That mystery caller could be a big clue that connects Casey to the crime scene.
Eyewitness News has learned the Anthonys' two private investigators came to the discovery scene on November 15 and 16, a Saturday and Sunday, possibly because they didn't find Caylee's remains right away.

Law enforcement is trying to find out whether inside information led them there.

Eyewitness News has learned that the Anthonys' private investigator, Dominic Casey, is seen a month before the body was found on the November 15 videotape at the scene on the phone. California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who first sprung Casey out of jail, says he saw Dominic Casey on the videotape, because the person who shot it, private investigator Jim Hoover, showed it to him.

"He's standing there, or somebody's standing there, filming Dominic down the road and Dominic's on a cell phone, and you can see the fence, the signs on the left, the fence is there, everything is there," Padilla told Eyewitness News.

Finding out who Dominic Casey was talking to that day on the phone at the scene could be important to investigators in finding out whether inside information brought him and the other private eye to the area.

Padilla told Eyewitness News that Hoover claims Dominic Casey told him on November 15 that Caylee's remains had been found and that the two of them were going to look for them. Dominic Casey told Eyewitness News on Friday he was talking to his ill daughter on the phone that day and insists he was only there to rule out a tip from one of Casey's friends.

Padilla said he asked Hoover about Dominic Casey's phone call.

"I even asked him, 'Who's he talking to?' He said, 'I don't know.' 'Could you hear what he was saying?' 'No, I couldn't hear.' He was 100 yards away," Padilla explained.

Both Dominic Casey and Padilla said Hoover claims to have recorded over most of the tape he shot at the scene.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Happy New year to you khris! Come on in and help us solve this awful mystery that is not really a mystery at all. We pour the hagnog late at night and then we drink up the haterade. I'm not good at describing how that works but I know you'll figure it out. So far your post is great!

Yes, so many would have taken Caylee to love. In a heartbeat!

LOL Danagher. :beer: At least its not a mystery anymore since little Caylee's been found. :rose:

Welcome to CL KhristmasKathy! :seeya:

[javahog]

LE knew that she did not work at Universal before they went there. They were just giving her more rope to hang herself. I think they were even shocked at how far she went with her story. Even after she says she didn't work there, she was still talking about her phone from Universal.

My favorite line is when the Liar said she wanted to go to Universal to see if Caylee was there. The detective said "and how was she supposed to get here, take a cab?" :D

Gator

Ooooh, yeah, the phones from Universal. Not just one but two, right? From a place she did not work. And then the random sim card movements. SHe was sure a techie when it came to phones, she claimed to have done everything that would have made Zannis contact information unaccessible.

Except, of course, the pesky police actually checked her phone records. I just don't flippin' get it-surely she knew they would check all of this carp, but there she is chattering away???????!!!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

Huh?????? :confused: :shrug: Doesn't Orange County Sheriff's already have this info?

Casey Anthony's attorney seeks more clues in Caylee case

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:42 AM EST, January 5, 2009

The attorney for Casey Anthony, who is charged in the death of her daughter Caylee, has set up a new tip line for anyone with information about where the toddler's remains were found in east Orange County. Jose Baez is seeking details - photos or videos - from when the toddler was reported missing in mid-July to when her skeletal remains were found last month, according to a press release.

The information line is 407-442--2814.

On Dec. 11, an Orange County meter reader found a bag with her bones in woods off of Suburban Drive less than a mile from the home Caylee was living with her mother and grandparents. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder and remains in the Orange County Jail.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010509,0,7280479.story

[javahog]

I haven't read all the posts yet, but I did read the long post by Old Soul and Loretta's reply. It brought me to another possibility. Now, I'm not defending Cindy, but I can understand her frustration. It was only recently that Cindy was getting tougher on the Liar about watching Caylee. The Liar replied a few times in email to another boyfriend that she couldn't go out because her mother would not watch Cayle or the "little Snotnose". Perhaps Cindy was trying to either get the Liar to be a better mother or get her to give up her parental rights. Maybe that's why Cindy finds this so hard to accept because she blames herself for her plan backfiring. She was making demands that the Liar spend more time with Caylee and be home with her instead of George and Cindy watching her every night. Perhaps she thought this was a way of getting the Liar to turn over custody and instead it caused Caylee's death.

Gator

Makes sense to me. Maybe her therapist or coffee clatch said, you need to push her, Cindy! The way Casey liked to go out, it would make sense that forcing her to stay home would result in her handing her over. But having researched chloroform gave another option (if it was an accident), or ruthlessness did too(if it was intentional).

[browneyes106]

Huh?????? :confused: :shrug: Doesn't Orange County Sheriff's already have this info?

Casey Anthony's attorney seeks more clues in Caylee case

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:42 AM EST, January 5, 2009

The attorney for Casey Anthony, who is charged in the death of her daughter Caylee, has set up a new tip line for anyone with information about where the toddler's remains were found in east Orange County. Jose Baez is seeking details - photos or videos - from when the toddler was reported missing in mid-July to when her skeletal remains were found last month, according to a press release.

The information line is 407-442--2814.

On Dec. 11, an Orange County meter reader found a bag with her bones in woods off of Suburban Drive less than a mile from the home Caylee was living with her mother and grandparents. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder and remains in the Orange County Jail.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010509,0,7280479.story

I'm sure they will get valid tips on that line. Baez is stupid like the Antyhony's.

[javahog]

Huh?????? :confused: :shrug: Doesn't Orange County Sheriff's already have this info?

Casey Anthony's attorney seeks more clues in Caylee case

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:42 AM EST, January 5, 2009

The attorney for Casey Anthony, who is charged in the death of her daughter Caylee, has set up a new tip line for anyone with information about where the toddler's remains were found in east Orange County. Jose Baez is seeking details - photos or videos - from when the toddler was reported missing in mid-July to when her skeletal remains were found last month, according to a press release.

The information line is 407-442--2814.

On Dec. 11, an Orange County meter reader found a bag with her bones in woods off of Suburban Drive less than a mile from the home Caylee was living with her mother and grandparents. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder and remains in the Orange County Jail.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010509,0,7280479.story

No, really, Jose, I had nothing to do with it. Surely someone has some proof that she ended up there while I was in jail or the house (bat, bat, blink blink)

[browneyes106]

Hey everyone I'm just catching up on a lot of the posts. My surgery has kept me in bed and rest. I got the plastic splints taken out of my nose earlier and feel better and am able to breathe. I still have the cast on my nose until next Monday.

[javahog]

Ahhh Ha! I didn't know this. Very interesting, thanks. I noticed Jesse did not like Cindy very much according to what he said in the interview with NG.

How dare you corrupt my virginal daughter!:D

Just speculating.

[browneyes106]

Jealousy seemed to consume Cindy and Casey's relationship - remember this?

http://i39.tinypic.com/2uojvw0.jpg

I had never seen the screenshot of the MySpace blog. I had read the transcripts of it. After seeing the signup date which is the same day as the blog posting. I thought maybe Cindy had a myspace page for awhile but it seems she set up her account the same day and immeadiatly posted a blog about what was going on with Casey and Caylee My theory is that Cindy knew something was up and she maybe set up a MySpace account thinking somehow Casey would see it and maybe she would talk about where Caylee was.

[Justice Denied?]

Watched NG again tonight. I am just amazed at the calmness of the Liar. She says things that the police know are not true yet she goes right on as if it's gospel. She reported the stolen cell phone to Universal's security three weeks before. Sometimes I think that she has this parallel world where she lives this phoney life in her mind. But that doesn't make her insane.

Gator

Now that is what I have said all along. Casey lives inside her head. She has moved beyond what happened to Caylee and in her fantasy world it never happened. She probably sits in cell imagining she is in the Caribbian with her georgeous boyfriend. I agree she's not insane. Any time you cover up a crime there is consciousness of guilt.

[javahog]

Here here!!! We've got our days and nights mixed up. We usually specu-hate after midnight. You drinkin the marsala so early? That's fa cookin! Now let's get back to the sensible thinking. She did it! And Jesse made her do it.

So there! :tongue:

Hey, its always midnight somewhere!

So there! :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

I haven't read all the posts yet, but I did read the long post by Old Soul and Loretta's reply. It brought me to another possibility. Now, I'm not defending Cindy, but I can understand her frustration. It was only recently that Cindy was getting tougher on the Liar about watching Caylee. The Liar replied a few times in email to another boyfriend that she couldn't go out because her mother would not watch Cayle or the "little Snotnose". Perhaps Cindy was trying to either get the Liar to be a better mother or get her to give up her parental rights. Maybe that's why Cindy finds this so hard to accept because she blames herself for her plan backfiring. She was making demands that the Liar spend more time with Caylee and be home with her instead of George and Cindy watching her every night. Perhaps she thought this was a way of getting the Liar to turn over custody and instead it caused Caylee's death.

Gator

I think it's easy to realize that Cindy was between a rock and a hard place when it came to Casey's lack of responsibility. And maybe she had (minimally) the seeds of a plan. I guess the main reason that I judge her so harshly, is because she has recanted her own earlier harsh judgments re: Casey and her behavior. Or so it would seem by her denials and her own "mis-truths".

[Justice Denied?]

I dreamed the other night that The Rest of The Story is that Caylee was a hologram. Maybe that would explain why the slucking fut is so calm.

That is so strange. If she were, we could just pull a plug.

I dreamed just last night that she was pregnant again. Didn't wake up scxreaming but felt like I shoud.

[lorettalockhorn]

I had never seen the screenshot of the MySpace blog. I had read the transcripts of it. After seeing the signup date which is the same day as the blog posting. I thought maybe Cindy had a myspace page for awhile but it seems she set up her account the same day and immeadiatly posted a blog about what was going on with Casey and Caylee My theory is that Cindy knew something was up and she maybe set up a MySpace account thinking somehow Casey would see it and maybe she would talk about where Caylee was.

Not sure how/why Cindy would have expected Casey to see her entry, unless maybe she requested an add from Casey. I see that Cindy is a Gemini. Maybe that can explain her flip-flopping all over the place. And all this time I thought she was a Janus.

[javahog]

I think it's easy to realize that Cindy was between a rock and a hard place when it came to Casey's lack of responsibility. And maybe she had (minimally) the seeds of a plan. I guess the main reason that I judge her so harshly, is because she has recanted her own earlier harsh judgments re: Casey and her behavior. Or so it would seem by her denials and her own "mis-truths".

I think she chose not to accept a "dead" Caylee. And that meant that Casey still had control over Cindy since she had the information to find her. Casey played her with her weird little clues, confirming for Cindy that Casey was continuing the game of who got Caylee. I'm sure she thought Casey had hidden her from Cindy, since Cindy knew she was low enough to do that. So Cindy played along with Casey, trying to get the clues she was parsing out...I would bet that is what the immunity is about, minor little things to keep Casey from clamming up, like confirming the nanny who did not have Caylee and never did...(remember how mad Casey was about the TV "cameo"? And when questions got tough, she would swear, hang up, refuse to talk to them? "waste of time", well, yeah, but not yours Casey!)

[lorettalockhorn]

I think she chose not to accept a "dead" Caylee. And that meant that Casey still had control over Cindy since she had the information to find her. Casey played her with her weird little clues, confirming for Cindy that Casey was continuing the game of who got Caylee. I'm sure she thought Casey had hidden her from Cindy, since Cindy knew she was low enough to do that. So Cindy played along with Casey, trying to get the clues she was parsing out...I would bet that is what the immunity is about, minor little things to keep Casey from clamming up, like confirming the nanny who did not have Caylee and never did...(remember how mad Casey was about the TV "cameo"? And when questions got tough, she would swear, hang up, refuse to talk to them? "waste of time", well, yeah, but not yours Casey!)

Soooooooo interested in where the immunity is going to go. Don't really think it's about minor or little things. But gosh, with those folks, there's just no telling!

[Justice Denied?]

[QUOTE=STLcardfan;9150846]My oldest granddaughter was born to my son and GF while in high school. They lived with me for a couple of years. There was many times I question where her Mother was taking her, who she was leaving her with etc. The bottom line although I was providing full support room and board I was not the legal guardian. I had no say, no control what so ever legally. I even secretly spoke to attorneys as I to be worried about her safety. There was nothing I could do unless I could prove abuse or neglect. I am sure Cindy was at her wits end but her hands were tied. Caylee was not her child.

I eventually had to hire attorneys for my Son and myself when she hooked up with a loser and decided we did not need to be in her life any more. 10 years and $30,000 later we are about to go back to court again as she refuses to abide to the court order. Some woman just should not be Mothers.:flamemad:[/QUOTE

My sympathies to you. My nephew and his former girlfriend are going thru the same thing and have been for six years. My sister is the grandmother and it is amazing what few rights grandparents really have.

[javahog]

Simplicity. I love it. :seeya:

Bet the prosecutors will, too.

[khristmaskathy]

Brown Eyes 106, I hope you recuperate nicely and I'm wishing you the best. My reason for being on this earth, I believe, is to help children and animals. I see that some fellow animal-lovers are here and that's wonderful! I do a lot of volunteer / charity work for several animal organizations and I have pets. Animals love you unconditionally and I can't imagine my life without them.

I am very "new" to the Caylee Anthony case and I was wondering if Caycee and Caylee had lived with C and G since Caylee was born or had they ever lived somewhere else.

Thank you for the warm welcomes. I am a newcomer, I know, but my heart is definitely in the right place. My husband gets so tired of hearing me talk about little Caylee and I need to share my thoughts. It is truly a heartbreaking story and I hope Caylee is a little guardian angel up in Heaven.

Thanks again for the friendliness; you guys seem like a really nice group!

[Gatordog]

Hi to everyone,

I have not ever posted on this website but have been reading it for the past couple of days. I stumbled across Nancy Grace during the holidays and have been overwhelmed by the information regarding the missing child Caylee. I did a search and found this website. It is incredible to me that this little girl is dead---so many people would have taken her in a heartbeat and she could have had a good life. I am a preK teacher in my school system and my children are not a whole lot older than little Caylee. My heart is broken at what happened to her and your group here seems to be people with kind hearts, senses of humor and just a good place to be. I look forward to posting here, to reading your thoughts and I am a devoted Nancy Grace fan, now. Happy New Year to all of you!

Welcome Kristmaskathy :seeya:

Gator

[Gatordog]

I just keep thinking that Cindy only got upset after the car got impounded and they had to get it out. Then they smelled the dead body and decided to find Casey. Also, she was only able to get Amy's phone number from the resume found in the car. Did she not have the phone numbers of Casey's other friends? I just wonder how long they would have waited without the car incident?

Hey Justice :seeya: Actually I remember hearing that all these friends were new friends that she met through the new boyfriend. They stated that most of the Liar's problems started when she met this new group of friends who were very independent and did not have any children. C&G knew the high school friends and the neighborhood friends, but not the latest click.

Gator

[Gatordog]

C & G didn't have an inkling anything was wrong until they received the impound notice. Remember, the liar was covering her tracks by calling her parents regularly and then making excuses as to why they couldn't talk to Caylee. I always knew when my kids were lying but maybe Casey was so good at it she was able to fool everyone. :shrug:

I think that's why Cindy kept asking the Liar to raise her face so she could see her eyes while they were talking in the jail. One thing I've learned about the liar, if she starts off a sentence with "I know in my Gut", "It's the truth", In my heart", "Truthfully" or "Believe Me", get ready for a big bunch of BS being thrown your way.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Brown Eyes 106, I hope you recuperate nicely and I'm wishing you the best. My reason for being on this earth, I believe, is to help children and animals. I see that some fellow animal-lovers are here and that's wonderful! I do a lot of volunteer / charity work for several animal organizations and I have pets. Animals love you unconditionally and I can't imagine my life without them.

I am very "new" to the Caylee Anthony case and I was wondering if Caycee and Caylee had lived with C and G since Caylee was born or had they ever lived somewhere else.

Thank you for the warm welcomes. I am a newcomer, I know, but my heart is definitely in the right place. My husband gets so tired of hearing me talk about little Caylee and I need to share my thoughts. It is truly a heartbreaking story and I hope Caylee is a little guardian angel up in Heaven.

Thanks again for the friendliness; you guys seem like a really nice group!

The good thing about this place is we all want to talk about the same thing so feel free to express!

Casey has always lived with her parents, before and after the birth of Caylee until June 16.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I think that's why Cindy kept asking the Liar to raise her face so she could see her eyes while they were talking in the jail. One thing I've learned about the liar, if she starts off a sentence with "I know in my Gut", "It's the truth", In my heart", "Truthfully" or "Believe Me", get ready for a big bunch of BS being thrown your way.

Gator

Ain't it the truth!

[lorettalockhorn]

No Press Conference From Anthonys' Private Investigators

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has learned that there will be no press conference Monday from two of the Anthonys' private investigators, Jim Hoover and Dominic Casey, as originally expected.

Late Friday, Eyewitness News learned that a press conference was expected Monday, possibly to discuss the controversy over video that was taped at the scene where Caylee's remains were later found. But early Monday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned there would be no press conference. No details were given as to why...

http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Figured out how to add an Avitar. Didn't even know what that was until Loretta mentioned it a while back. :o I'm starting to get the hang of this business. That's my big boy, Gator. I'll have to change pics every now and then so my little boy, Mac, doesn't feel neglected.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Figured out how to add an Avitar. Didn't even know what that was until Loretta mentioned it a while back. :o I'm starting to get the hang of this business. That's my big boy, Gator. I'll have to change pics every now and then so my little boy, Mac, doesn't feel neglected.

Gator

Awwww

[Gatordog]

I've come to the conclusion that I spend a lot of time thinking. :tongue: If George and Cindy do testify against the Liar, I think it will be because they made a deal with the prosecution. I think that they will ask that Lee not be charged with any crimes. Lee got in over his head due to his sister's lies. Whatever he did, it would not have happened if she didn't con him into doing it. The Liar is a lost case. If they want any part of the family to exist and ever have grandchildren again, Lee is their only hope. I think they will spill the beans in order to save him.

Gator

[Mojo]

You know, realistically, why would Zenaida need to kill Caylee? If she had all these different areas that she lived in, it's quite possible to have melted into the landscapes of Mexico or Puerto Rico, NY, anywhere. Though things were different at the time, Steve Stayner was kidnapped and lived with that @#&% pedophile for what, 7 years, and no one knew the better. She could have even given her away to someone in one of those countries when it was too hot to keep her in the states. There would have been no reason to kill a child you lovingly cared for for 2 years, after kidnapping her.

Goes to show you how stupid she was about her alibi's. First she dropped her off at Sawgrass, oh no, I mean I met them in the park and they kicked my a** and took Caylee. Where's the damn note? I wouldn't have let that out of my possession! I would have brought it straight to LE and my family. You can't party and search for your child at the same time :rolleyes:.

She's an asswipe, besides being a Bad liar. If she was dealing with anyone who had half a brain, Someone , out of them all would have had a feeling about something.

Don'tyathink?

I never bought the whole BS scenario about Zanny knocking her down at the park. I have a small child and I was ever in that situation I'd jump up and run to my car, call 911, follow their van and be giving the dispatcher a detailed description of the van along with license plate number etc.. Plus, keep following them until the police showed up to take over.
Basically, Casey is saying they knocked her down and she just sat there and then left? :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

I've come to the conclusion that I spend a lot of time thinking. :tongue: If George and Cindy do testify against the Liar, I think it will be because they made a deal with the prosecution. I think that they will ask that Lee not be charged with any crimes. Lee got in over his head due to his sister's lies. Whatever he did, it would not have happened if she didn't con him into doing it. The Liar is a lost case. If they want any part of the family to exist and ever have grandchildren again, Lee is their only hope. I think they will spill the beans in order to save him.

Gator

Guess I can see G&C asking for immunity on behalf of Lee, but I hope it can't/doesn't happen that way. Lee is an adult and needs to face the consequences of his actions.

Also, if Lee has committed economic crimes in addition to whatever may have transpired during his "investigation", he needs to face the music on those as well. That could well be a matter of having duped the well-meaning public.

[lorettalockhorn]

I never bought the whole BS scenario about Zanny knocking her down at the park. I have a small child and I was ever in that situation I'd jump up and run to my car, call 911, follow their van and be giving the dispatcher a detailed description of the van along with license plate number etc.. Plus, keep following them until the police showed up to take over.
Basically, Casey is saying they knocked her down and she just sat there and then left? :cuss:

Lame for me too!

[deacon]

I think that's why Cindy kept asking the Liar to raise her face so she could see her eyes while they were talking in the jail. One thing I've learned about the liar, if she starts off a sentence with "I know in my Gut", "It's the truth", In my heart", "Truthfully" or "Believe Me", get ready for a big bunch of BS being thrown your way.

Gator

Really, if you look close you can tell when casey is not telling the tuth. Her mouth is moving.

[lorettalockhorn]

Really, if you look close you can tell when casey is not telling the tuth. Her mouth is moving.

Maybe she'll get her GED in prison and then go on to become a jailhouse lawyer.

Was just remembering about either G&C and/or Lee testifying against Casey; seems like I read somewhere that juries from on mothers testifying against their children, whereas a sibling testifying is considered more okay. So maybe on that basis, Lee will get some kind of immunity if he wittingly (or unwittingly) aided and abetted Casey.

Or maybe that was just wild conjecture about parents' testimony. Seems to me that even if Jackie Peterson had testified against Scott, people still would have been appalled at her "deny, deny, deny" statements before the trial and hated her no matter what she did.

[Mojo]

I can't get into this Dominic/Hoover stuff. The news hounds are adding arms and legs to this taping near the sight business, and it's getting borderline ridiculous. As far as I 'm concerned (so far) none of it has any meaning at all except 2 fortune hunters taped some trees. So many people want to jump into the game and want to become legends. Lawyers, talking heads, newbies with a quest for fame, is making mince meat of basic investigative sense. I like simple. Keep it simple.

There is no daisy chain vah fongoull!!!:cuss::flamemad:

You are right about "fortune hunters". It's Kato Kaelin (sp?) syndrome. They all want their 15 minutes

[lorettalockhorn]

You are right about "fortune hunters". It's Kato Kaelin (sp?) syndrome. They all want their 15 minutes

Don't remember any case attracting so much vermin ever. That said, I absolutely want to know who D Casey talked to on the phone before, during and after his trip to the scene (or nearby) of Caylee's returns. If he is referring to Kiomarie's tip that Caylee might be found there, why wait five months to look?

[javahog]

Don't remember any case attracting so much vermin ever. That said, I absolutely want to know who D Casey talked to on the phone before, during and after his trip to the scene (or nearby) of Caylee's returns. If he is referring to Kiomarie's tip that Caylee might be found there, why wait five months to look?

(not even Anna Nichole?)

And yeah. You know, Lee grew up in the same neighborhood, he no doubt knew about the "Zone". I wonder if he put her stupid clues together, but didn't know the exact spot. And the investigator was not as good a searcher as a meter-reader. (time for a new job?)

[javahog]

This case is driving me nuts. I've never seen such horrors so subtle and so insidious. I've never seen anyone use their mind to torment their parents and sit there and giggle. She may as well have had a eyedropper full of acid and held it up over their eyes while threatening them with it if they said the wrong word. Alright now I'm going too far. :(

Suffice it to say that Casey was enjoying being on the winning side of the war with Cindy. Power was making her high and seemed almost orgasmic to her. She was hypothetically shooting Cindy's feet making her dance and smiling at her while she did it. She refused to tell them that Caylee was dead because then the game would be over. It's over now, that's why she doesn't want to see them anymore. She can't torture them. They are now tortured souls. Past tense. No more fun for Casey! She won. (For now) She should have a real good time in court. I can still see her smiling at them over her shoulder during the first hearing. It was nauseating. I have a feeling she will be calling her mommy like a 2 year old does when she's afraid, when the verdict is read.

I don't know how I managed get so much work done today. I've been posting like a banshee in between. Hey... I can't stand myself. :punch:

I hope the moment she goes crying to mama, she gets back all the love and warmth she gave in the jail in equal measure.

[One2Snoop]

(not even Anna Nichole?)

And yeah. You know, Lee grew up in the same neighborhood, he no doubt knew about the "Zone". I wonder if he put her stupid clues together, but didn't know the exact spot. And the investigator was not as good a searcher as a meter-reader. (time for a new job?)

It was a thousand times worse IMO. :tongue:

[lorettalockhorn]

Huh?????? :confused: :shrug: Doesn't Orange County Sheriff's already have this info?

Casey Anthony's attorney seeks more clues in Caylee case

Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:42 AM EST, January 5, 2009

The attorney for Casey Anthony, who is charged in the death of her daughter Caylee, has set up a new tip line for anyone with information about where the toddler's remains were found in east Orange County. Jose Baez is seeking details - photos or videos - from when the toddler was reported missing in mid-July to when her skeletal remains were found last month, according to a press release.

The information line is 407-442--2814.

On Dec. 11, an Orange County meter reader found a bag with her bones in woods off of Suburban Drive less than a mile from the home Caylee was living with her mother and grandparents. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder and remains in the Orange County Jail.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010509,0,7280479.story

Gosh, you would think that anyone who has/had information about Caylee would have come forward by now. She's got to have been one of the most recognizable faces of 2008.

And I still cannot get over these two PIs. You would think that D Casey and Hoover would have been suspicious of The Zone as soon as Kiomarie gave her statement to LE. But they didn't surface at that particular area until November? Were they going out there from time to time waiting for the waters to recede? And you just have to laugh a little at D Casey; he wasn't able to shake a tail (Hoover). Yet, supposedly he had others under surveillance. If D Casey was talking to anyone other than his ill daughter while he was searching the area, he's going to look like a first class moron. Time for a refresher course maybe?

[Justice Denied?]

I've come to the conclusion that I spend a lot of time thinking. :tongue: If George and Cindy do testify against the Liar, I think it will be because they made a deal with the prosecution. I think that they will ask that Lee not be charged with any crimes. Lee got in over his head due to his sister's lies. Whatever he did, it would not have happened if she didn't con him into doing it. The Liar is a lost case. If they want any part of the family to exist and ever have grandchildren again, Lee is their only hope. I think they will spill the beans in order to save him.

Gator

Gator, I rarely disagree with you but this time I do. I think that if Lee was involved, say for example he helped hide the body, then I think he will be charged. As well he should be. And depending on how deeply they were involved, I don't think G & C should be granted immunity. They should all be charged with aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice if that's what they did.

If the prosecution case is so weak that they need their testimony to make the case, they need to try another tactic. JMO, of course.

[lorettalockhorn]

It was a thousand times worse IMO. :tongue:

I'm completely amazed at the business that the attorney profession has picked up over this case; even Jesus Ortiz's family has a lawyer, and the poor soul has been dead for years.

The ANS story was so so sad. But so happy that Dannielynn (sp) survived! And wish her the best. So glad that she ended up with her Daddy.

[lorettalockhorn]

Gator, I rarely disagree with you but this time I do. I think that if Lee was involved, say for example he helped hide the body, then I think he will be charged. As well he should be. And depending on how deeply they were involved, I don't think G & C should be granted immunity. They should all be charged with aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice if that's what they did.

If the prosecution case is so weak that they need their testimony to make the case, they need to try another tactic. JMO, of course.

It would seem to me that with all the circumstantial evidence, Casey's lies, and the physical evidence from the trunk, that The State has a pretty good case. The most important thing offhand (for me), would be for G&C to testify to Casey's behaviors (the sociopathy) that we don't know about, or what was really the reason for Cindy to go to a counselor, and what led to the idea that she needed to sue for custody. Cindy had to know that her household minus Casey would be under tremendous scrutiny for custody to be considered, and her relationship with George isn't what most folks would exactly call ultra stable. Something had to have been awfully wrong on Hopespring Drive.

I know I'm in the minority, but I do think that jailhouse convo was scripted, and wonder how much G&C tried to help Casey after surely knowing that Caylee was dead.

[tv]

It would seem to me that with all the circumstantial evidence, Casey's lies, and the physical evidence from the trunk, that The State has a pretty good case. The most important thing offhand (for me), would be for G&C to testify to Casey's behaviors (the sociopathy) that we don't know about, or what was really the reason for Cindy to go to a counselor, and what led to the idea that she needed to sue for custody. Cindy had to know that her household minus Casey would be under tremendous scrutiny for custody to be considered, and her relationship with George isn't what most folks would exactly call ultra stable. Something had to have been awfully wrong on Hopespring Drive.

I know I'm in the minority, but I do think that jailhouse convo was scripted, and wonder how much G&C tried to help Casey after surely knowing that Caylee was dead.

I'm with you, Loretta. I don't know if ALL of it was scripted but I think when they realized everything would be released to the media they tried to use it to their advantage.

I'm still puzzled as to the reason G & C continue to say they support Casey but don't visit her in jail. Their actions and words don't match. :shrug:

[Gatordog]

I think it's easy to realize that Cindy was between a rock and a hard place when it came to Casey's lack of responsibility. And maybe she had (minimally) the seeds of a plan. I guess the main reason that I judge her so harshly, is because she has recanted her own earlier harsh judgments re: Casey and her behavior. Or so it would seem by her denials and her own "mis-truths".

I agree 100% with you. I can't figure out that flipflop myself. Afterall, she told Melich that she didn't care where Casey was and didn't care if she'd be there forever. I can only say that when Cindy stays quiet, as she has been, I tend to sympathize for her. When she starts spouting nonsense, it makes me angry.

Gator

[tv]

I think Casey doesn't want them to visit because she is unable to lie and if she can't lie, she can't talk.

:beer:

ETA: Have you noticed that Cindy talks to Casey in the jailhouse visits like she's a mental patient? No matter what Casey says Cindy doesn't get excited or change the tone of her voice. Creepy.

[lorettalockhorn]

[/B]

At first I thought they were trying to help her put her lies together with their questions. But, the more I watched those videos, the more I believed that they were scared, and the theory that they were patronizing her seemed to be more like what was really going on. It sure looked like they may have been feeding her some script though. At this point I see her as one who was in her glory tormenting Cindy. Why the giggles? And didn't it appear that Cindy was not interested in her news about eating FU*KING coleslaw, and baloney. BALONEY! Now that's a key word to a clue!

I guess I just cannot get over how the Ants glossed over the fact that Zenaida had a key to their home. And surely if G&C were simply trying to worm information out of Casey, they would have talked about this to LE before and/or after the visit. (There is no way that they didn't know that they were being recorded.) Or did they only share with the likes of Dennis Milford and D Casey?

I guess hell on earth for Casey would be having to eat fcoleslaw every meal for the rest of her pathetic life. I'm for it!

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree 100% with you. I can't figure out that flipflop myself. Afterall, she told Melich that she didn't care where Casey was and didn't care if she'd be there forever. I can only say that when Cindy stays quiet, as she has been, I tend to sympathize for her. When she starts spouting nonsense, it makes me angry.

Gator

As much as I condemn Cindy as a complete and utter failure at protecting Caylee, if I could take away some of her pain I would. (As would many, many others.) IF and/or WHEN she is found guilty of obstruction, I will withdraw that offer.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just heard the clinking of a million glasses filled with hagnog.
:beer:

LOL Speaking of hags; Nancy Grace in four, three, two, one...........

[tv]

I guess I just cannot get over how the Ants glossed over the fact that Zenaida had a key to their home. And surely if G&C were simply trying to worm information out of Casey, they would have talked about this to LE before and/or after the visit. (There is no way that they didn't know that they were being recorded.) Or did they only share with the likes of Dennis Milford and D Casey?

I guess hell on earth for Casey would be having to eat fcoleslaw every meal for the rest of her pathetic life. I'm for it!

That's what I mean by her tone. It never changes no matter what Casey says.

If she has to do any serious time I look for the Anthony's to keep funneling money to her for her extras. Eventually, the strangers that send her money are going to lose interest and stop sending. Let's hope they do anyway.

[Gatordog]

Gator, I rarely disagree with you but this time I do. I think that if Lee was involved, say for example he helped hide the body, then I think he will be charged. As well he should be. And depending on how deeply they were involved, I don't think G & C should be granted immunity. They should all be charged with aiding and abetting or obstruction of justice if that's what they did.

If the prosecution case is so weak that they need their testimony to make the case, they need to try another tactic. JMO, of course.

Sometimes, in order to catch the big fish, you need to use the little fish as bait. The prosecution might charge Lee with misdemeanors instead of felonies, he might get probation instead of jail time. If that's what it takes for G&C to come clean about everything and send that witch to prison for life, it's okay by me.

Do you remember those lowlifes who let little Jessica Lundford's murderer live in their trailor and even knew she could have been in the trailor for days? The state couldn't go after them. It's not so easy - if the state has leverage to use against C&G, they should use it.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hmmm,, there is a lot to what you are saying. There is no reasonable explanation to their reaction to the key story and now that you mention it, it was Cindy who came up with it.. Now THAT makes me go back again to the script feeding theory.

Where was she going with the "Does Zani have a key question? What did she hope to gain? If you say what I think you'll say, she should be in jail with Casey.

I have to look for that video because I don't think that's exact. I think Cindy asks the Liar twice "has someone been in our house?" And the Liar replies that it's possible because she had given Zani the key, and the she says remember, I told you?

[deputydi]

Hi to everyone,

I have not ever posted on this website but have been reading it for the past couple of days. I stumbled across Nancy Grace during the holidays and have been overwhelmed by the information regarding the missing child Caylee. I did a search and found this website. It is incredible to me that this little girl is dead---so many people would have taken her in a heartbeat and she could have had a good life. I am a preK teacher in my school system and my children are not a whole lot older than little Caylee. My heart is broken at what happened to her and your group here seems to be people with kind hearts, senses of humor and just a good place to be. I look forward to posting here, to reading your thoughts and I am a devoted Nancy Grace fan, now. Happy New Year to all of you!
All newbies are welcome here. This is a great board and we're all here for Caylee despite our differences. Jump in anytime.

[deputydi]

Don't make meeeee! I am so sad about those dogs and I'm afraid to love again.
Gator is right. I totally understand how you feel and I know you can never replace the three you lost. You have such a wonderful heart and there are so many poor dogs in shelters that need to be loved.

When my first papillon died, (Pierre, who was my avatar until yesterday) I thought I would never stop crying and couldn't imagine loving another dog the way I loved him. He was a big part of my life for 14 years and his death left a huge hole in my heart. Butch and Sundance helped fill that hole and, although I'll never forget Pierre, they have brought me enormous joy. I can talk about Pierre now without tears and can actually laugh at some of the silly stuff he did.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just started watching NG, but she is saying that Casey has permission to view Caylee's funeral on TV.

[javahog]

That's what I mean by her tone. It never changes no matter what Casey says.

If she has to do any serious time I look for the Anthony's to keep funneling money to her for her extras. Eventually, the strangers that send her money are going to lose interest and stop sending. Let's hope they do anyway.


Let's start the "No Tampons for Casey!" club. Why people with money have a better time in jail than those who don't is beyond me. I had no idea people with a slush fund could buy snacks until Nancy started listing out the shopping lists...

[javahog]

Hmmm,, there is a lot to what you are saying. There is no reasonable explanation to their reaction to the key story and now that you mention it, it was Cindy who came up with it.. Now THAT makes me go back again to the script feeding theory.

Where was she going with the "Does Zani have a key question? What did she hope to gain? If you say what I think you'll say, she should be in jail with Casey.

IF she was trying to get some clues out of BigFatLiar-ese...asking if the non-existant Zanny had a key might let her know if things from the house might be missing and possibly with Caylee. Turns out, stuff was! Of course, Casey jumped on that, as it would explain whatever the police found that linked Caylee to the house...

[deputydi]

As much as I condemn Cindy as a complete and utter failure at protecting Caylee, if I could take away some of her pain I would. (As would many, many others.) IF and/or WHEN she is found guilty of obstruction, I will withdraw that offer.
That one sentence shows what a special heart you have. :rose:

[Gatordog]

Don't make meeeee! I am so sad about those dogs and I'm afraid to love again.

Danagher, you break my heart:( because I know how you feel, we all do. The way I see it is when I have a dog or cat, (frog too!) I give it the best life possible. Whether it's one year or eighteen years, that animal companion was loved, happy, and content. When its time comes to go to the rainbow bridge, it means another animal has the opportunity to have a wonderful life too. And I have the opportunity to love and take care of something too. I know that Gator is 13 and his time with me is growing short and when that time comes, to honor him, I will rescue another dog and love it just as much for all its own reasons.

Gator

[Amy]

"...somewhere other than a bank."

Now that's reassuring, isn't it?

Hmmm......somebody's back pocket would be other than a bank, I think!!! :tongue:

[javahog]

Hmmm......somebody's back pocket would be other than a bank, I think!!! :tongue:

*sigh* Just once, couldn't it be MY back pocket? ;)

[SaraSidle]

The problem is the directions were not vague but exact. I was there and it is exactly where and how he described it. It is not where the friend said to search, that is further down. Kronk's directions are exact. if they just gave him some credibility they would have found the location and remains. There is no way Kronk could have been more clear.

Back when I posted that I left the flowers at the memorial the Sunday after the remains were found, I said there were going to be big problems to come because of where they were found.

Gator

you mean with all that info you did not find anything. gator??? just kidding.

[Amy]

Cindy is NOT the head of the household -- George is. Casey is an ADULT and she is responsible for her own behavior. Since Cindy "supposedly" saw a therapist, you are condemning her for something that may or may not have happened. I need more than that.

I know I either read where Cindy said that, OR, I heard her say that on a show--but it's been so long ago, I can't remember which. I'm pretty sure it wasn't in one of her interviews--but it also was one brief statement, as far as I can remember. And it hasn't been brought up again, except on message boards. Now, just because Cindy SAID she saw a therapist does not necessarily make it true, as even she admitted to saying some mistruths (not lies, mind you, but mistruths) on occasion. Alas, I guess I am somewhat like Judge Judy and her colleagues--you lie to me once, you'd probably lie to me again, and I couldn't believe anything you say, not being able to tell what might be a truthful statement. Or, what she and Judge Melin say--I wouldn't believe you if your tongue was notorized!!!!

I guess the point is, the statement came from Cindy, and there is nothing to back it up...and there won't be, unless it is something that she would have to prove in a trial, and I don't think it would be.

I guess she could give the name of the therapist (who couldn't say anything anyway) like she did the lawyer about Caylee's future. But, she'd be taking the chance of LE following it up, like they did the lawyer story--and the guy did NOT have a file on the A family @ all!!!!

[Justice Denied?]

I'm completely amazed at the business that the attorney profession has picked up over this case; even Jesus Ortiz's family has a lawyer, and the poor soul has been dead for years.

The ANS story was so so sad. But so happy that Dannielynn (sp) survived! And wish her the best. So glad that she ended up with her Daddy.

Going off subject but has anyone heard anything about Danielynn lately or about how all the lawsuits turned out?

[Gatordog]

:eek:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8197199&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[SaraSidle]

:beer: the last time I ate venison was in honor of it being id'd as Oetzi the murdered Iceman's last meal...

Just to you know I do not eat venison and cannot stand the taste and smell. we are losing so many animals to global warming we should be thinking vegan. Just for the future and I am done preaching. just concerned for greatgrandchildren. and further. love Sara

[Amy]

Gator that sounds very frightening. They were not protecting anyone that day huh? I would have had a heart attack if a guy did that to me. I've heard of road rage but fortunately never experienced it. Tell ya what though, poppa is occasionally openly angry when he is behind the wheel and I tell him to keep cool because now days if you yell at a driver, chances are they'll shoot you in the face. Especially in my state which was voted America's worst drivers. It's sad to know your tax dollars were wasted that day. They probably missed out on catching a seriously dangerous person when they did not respond to your call!

So, this fellow was po'd enough @ Gator that he was willing to get out of his car to accost her. She got away. I'm thinking that probably did not make him feel any better @ all--probably a WHOLE lot more angry. So, what would keep him from accosting the next person? He's already MAD, and if someone else does anything, he might actually "connect" w/that one. Seems he would be one that LE would kind of like to get off the street THEN, before he could do physical harm.

[lorettalockhorn]

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Going off subject but has anyone heard anything about Danielynn lately or about how all the lawsuits turned out?

Found this:

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=110&num=193302

And this:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1230081anna1.html

:eek:

And this:

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/11/09/larry-birkhead-filming-reality-tv-show-with-dannielynn.aspx

Yikes!

[javahog]

Just to you know I do not eat venison and cannot stand the taste and smell. we are losing so many animals to global warming we should be thinking vegan. Just for the future and I am done preaching. just concerned for greatgrandchildren. and further. love Sara


Well, look on the bright side. That's one less deer that will need to buy carbon offsets.

[SaraSidle]

It's good to have you! :seeya:

I agree very good points as usual......IMO

[Amy]

C & G didn't have an inkling anything was wrong until they received the impound notice. Remember, the liar was covering her tracks by calling her parents regularly and then making excuses as to why they couldn't talk to Caylee. I always knew when my kids were lying but maybe Casey was so good at it she was able to fool everyone. :shrug:

There ARE moms who will keep their kids from the grands or other relatives, in order to "punish" them--just like it seemed to me that Cindy was saying in her blog. AND, they don't kill the kids, they just use them as pawns. So, if there was a big blow up, and especially if there had been talk before, or even during the argument about Casey's abilities as a mother, or even about Casey's behaviours, I can see her taking Caylee in a huff and saying Cindy would never see Caylee again. I can see Cindy thinking this is what happened, never in the world thinking that never seeing Caylee again would entail her being dead.

[Amy]

Old Soul, your theory sounds good and some very good points, but I just can't get past the computer searches for death, neck breaking, chloroform, etc. and the duct tape to not believe that it was premeditated. I also remember reading (sorry don't have the link) that she wanted to go to Puerto Rico with her friends but Caylee posed a problem. This case is so horrendous and tragic. :rose:

That's the part I don't get. Seems AT FIRST there is a problem of what she would do w/Caylee while she went to PR. BUT, if Caylee could stay w/nanny for days on end due to Casey's "job" requiring travel, wouldn't someone mention to her to have nanny watch her? Then, it seems that the actual trip happened AFTER Caylee was dead. Casey used Cindy's credit card to purchase the others' tickets, why wouldn't she do the same for herself? HEY, it's all set!! Caylee will be w/nanny, I've got MY tickets, I CAN go!!!!

[javahog]

That's the part I don't get. Seems AT FIRST there is a problem of what she would do w/Caylee while she went to PR. BUT, if Caylee could stay w/nanny for days on end due to Casey's "job" requiring travel, wouldn't someone mention to her to have nanny watch her? Then, it seems that the actual trip happened AFTER Caylee was dead. Casey used Cindy's credit card to purchase the others' tickets, why wouldn't she do the same for herself? HEY, it's all set!! Caylee will be w/nanny, I've got MY tickets, I CAN go!!!!

Weird! And not one person I recall said they asked her why Caylee couldn't stay with Zanny the WonderNanny? She could have just gone and disappeared, if that was her plan...

[deputydi]

That's the part I don't get. Seems AT FIRST there is a problem of what she would do w/Caylee while she went to PR. BUT, if Caylee could stay w/nanny for days on end due to Casey's "job" requiring travel, wouldn't someone mention to her to have nanny watch her? Then, it seems that the actual trip happened AFTER Caylee was dead. Casey used Cindy's credit card to purchase the others' tickets, why wouldn't she do the same for herself? HEY, it's all set!! Caylee will be w/nanny, I've got MY tickets, I CAN go!!!!
That's true, and I wonder if that is when the computer searches began. This wasn't going to be a day jaunt to the beach and I'm sure it required some advance planning. I think the computer searches were in March. Is that when the P.R. trip initially came up?

[Gatordog]

So, this fellow was po'd enough @ Gator that he was willing to get out of his car to accost her. She got away. I'm thinking that probably did not make him feel any better @ all--probably a WHOLE lot more angry. So, what would keep him from accosting the next person? He's already MAD, and if someone else does anything, he might actually "connect" w/that one. Seems he would be one that LE would kind of like to get off the street THEN, before he could do physical harm.

I was petrified that he would come back and drive around subdivisions looking for my car. I went and bought extra locks for the windows and slept with all the lights on that night. I cried for at least two hours. The detective on the phone tried to reassure me that it was over, that he wouldn't come back.

Gator

[STLcardfan]

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Going off subject but has anyone heard anything about Danielynn lately or about how all the lawsuits turned out?

LB is selling her pictures every chance he gets . such a disappointment. But I must say she is a spitting image of Anna. So beautiful. I wish LB would let that little girl fade from the public eye.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just to you know I do not eat venison and cannot stand the taste and smell. we are losing so many animals to global warming we should be thinking vegan. Just for the future and I am done preaching. just concerned for greatgrandchildren. and further. love Sara

Not sure about where you live, but AR has an overpopulation of deer; many would starve to death without regulated hunting seasons. (As well as many other species.) I love watching the deer and turkeys and foxes that hang out around my house. The deer seem to love the moss that I've transplanted where the grass doesn't grow.

[javahog]

That's true, and I wonder if that is when the computer searches began. This wasn't going to be a day jaunt to the beach and I'm sure it required some advance planning. I think the computer searches were in March. Is that when the P.R. trip initially came up?

Oooh, that would be heinous! Isn't cheap plane ticket purchase a 90 day advance? It would make sense that planning started in March. For Puerto Rico, I mean...

[lorettalockhorn]

Weird! And not one person I recall said they asked her why Caylee couldn't stay with Zanny the WonderNanny? She could have just gone and disappeared, if that was her plan...

So true!

[sharlock]

AHHHH ha! i I didn't want to say it first. Thank you. Now if I could get the birthdays of each player, I'd tell you in one word what the shadow of their sign is. We all have a shadow and the shadow of Gemini is, Trickster.
Casey is a Pisces and the shadow of that sign is the opposite of Christ.

Gemini? Flipping flopping? Yes.

Dear Danagher, can you tell me what my shadow is I am a Libran?:seeya:

[javahog]

So true!

curiouser and curiouser.

it's a good thing there's consciousness of guilt, because its nutso any way you look at it!

[sharlock]

Let's hope Casey kept a diary. Hmmm. Would it be legal to do a DNA test to eliminate Lee as the father without his permission? Will we hear that at trial? Will we hear anything about Caylee's dad at trial or will it be a sustained objection when it's brought up in questioning witnesses? It is relevant as to motive?

One more question: Am I the only one who is up drinking coffee this morning?
:seeya:
Ha! I'm drinking coffee Danagher, You HAVE to beleive me, DEEp in my heart I can tell it is coffee... ok it COULD be the irish kind lol.:beer:

[Justice Denied?]

Found this:

http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=110&num=193302

And this:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/1230081anna1.html

:eek:

And this:

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/archive/2008/11/09/larry-birkhead-filming-reality-tv-show-with-dannielynn.aspx

Yikes!

Thanks so much for going to all that trouble. Crosby's answer to the lawsuit cracked me up. Hate to see LB use Danielynn on a reality show but have to admit she is a real cutie. Did not know Vergie was still trying to get custody.
The lawsuit I would really like to know about is Stern vs Vergie's lawyer. (Can't remember his name)

I promise to get back on subject now and behave myself for awhile.:D

[Justice Denied?]

There ARE moms who will keep their kids from the grands or other relatives, in order to "punish" them--just like it seemed to me that Cindy was saying in her blog. AND, they don't kill the kids, they just use them as pawns. So, if there was a big blow up, and especially if there had been talk before, or even during the argument about Casey's abilities as a mother, or even about Casey's behaviours, I can see her taking Caylee in a huff and saying Cindy would never see Caylee again. I can see Cindy thinking this is what happened, never in the world thinking that never seeing Caylee again would entail her being dead.

Amy,

Now this sounds like good ole plain common sense to me. It wasn't any wierd, twisted reason she killed Caylee. She was jealous and wanted to punish Cindy. I feel that is why Cindy did not look harder for Caylee.

Speaking of which, in the 911 calls, Cindy says her daughter has been missing but they found her today but her granddaughter is still missing and has been kidnapped. Yet she says she heard from Casey every day. Now which is it?

Again, very good thinking on your part!:beer: Keep up the good work.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much for going to all that trouble. Crosby's answer to the lawsuit cracked me up. Hate to see LB use Danielynn on a reality show but have to admit she is a real cutie. Did not know Vergie was still trying to get custody.
The lawsuit I would really like to know about is Stern vs Vergie's lawyer. (Can't remember his name)

I promise to get back on subject now and behave myself for awhile.:D

>>The tryst was said to have occurred at a private home in Los Angeles, after all-hardly a location teeming with homophobes......

This cracked me up. I'm beginning to wonder if Los Angeles is teeming with heterosexuals.

It's hard to sum up how I feel; Anna Nicole seemed sad even when she was happy. I am glad that Dannielynn is with her father, but it's hard to endorse a relationship whereby she's possibly being exploited by him rather than a poser father. (If that makes any sense.)

[sharlock]

:beer:

ETA: Have you noticed that Cindy talks to Casey in the jailhouse visits like she's a mental patient? No matter what Casey says Cindy doesn't get excited or change the tone of her voice. Creepy.
Mwahagh! I don't get Nancy Grace at all and have to usually wait days for the transcript to come out.:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Mwahagh! I don't get Nancy Grace at all and have to usually wait days for the transcript to come out.:eek:

Link to NG transcripts:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

I usually look for one around midnight CST, but sometimes it's posted earlier. Sometimes later. There's so much interruption, crosstalk and talking over each other, it must be hard to transcribe!

[Justice Denied?]

>>The tryst was said to have occurred at a private home in Los Angeles, after all-hardly a location teeming with homophobes......

This cracked me up. I'm beginning to wonder if Los Angeles is teeming with heterosexuals.

It's hard to sum up how I feel; Anna Nicole seemed sad even when she was happy. I am glad that Dannielynn is with her father, but it's hard to endorse a relationship whereby she's possibly being exploited by him rather than a poser father. (If that makes any sense.)

I remember when HKS filed the suit and when the book came out. I personally believe he got by with two murders.

I wish LB would just let DL be a little girl and NOT exploit her. I don't think he is the best dad, but Vergie was the other choice. And I don't think that was the right choice.

[sharlock]

LOL Speaking of hags; Nancy Grace in four, three, two, one...........
Sorry, my above post was in reply to you LL and I had meant to post on the other that when you live with someone like that you do know they are dangerous you are just never sure how far they will go and in a way it does feel like you have to treat them differently if you want to beable to get any useful info from them or else they just blow up in your face.

[sharlock]

The shadow for Libra is "In-decision" Don't take Libra to the Ice Cream Palor that advertises 101 flavors! :-) They are the "Fence Sitters of the Zodiac.

:biggrin:

Ohh that is sooo true! Where do you want to go? Oh I don't mind, where do you want to go?:shrug:

[browneyes106]

:beer:

ETA: Have you noticed that Cindy talks to Casey in the jailhouse visits like she's a mental patient? No matter what Casey says Cindy doesn't get excited or change the tone of her voice. Creepy.

I have noticed that too. But they are both mental loonies.

[browneyes106]

I remember when HKS filed the suit and when the book came out. I personally believe he got by with two murders.

I wish LB would just let DL be a little girl and NOT exploit her. I don't think he is the best dad, but Vergie was the other choice. And I don't think that was the right choice.

I agree it bugs me to see LB and DL on Entertainment Tonight. It is tragic that DL will grow up without a mother but LB doesn't need always bring that up to the media. There are other men in his position. I have friend who is a single dad of 3 year old little girl. He was engaged to the mother and two years the mother was killed in a car wreck. My friend had career plans of becoming a sports agent and attorney and right now he is working to save up to eventually go to law school and have money for his daughter. So LB should realize he isn't the only single father in America.

[One2Snoop]

Thanks so much for going to all that trouble. Crosby's answer to the lawsuit cracked me up. Hate to see LB use Danielynn on a reality show but have to admit she is a real cutie. Did not know Vergie was still trying to get custody.
The lawsuit I would really like to know about is Stern vs Vergie's lawyer. (Can't remember his name)

I promise to get back on subject now and behave myself for awhile.:D

>>The tryst was said to have occurred at a private home in Los Angeles, after all-hardly a location teeming with homophobes......

This cracked me up. I'm beginning to wonder if Los Angeles is teeming with heterosexuals.

It's hard to sum up how I feel; Anna Nicole seemed sad even when she was happy. I am glad that Dannielynn is with her father, but it's hard to endorse a relationship whereby she's possibly being exploited by him rather than a poser father. (If that makes any sense.)

Hey y'all are more than welcome to start a thread here in the Anthony forum on this if you like. :beer: Just sayin' :D

[One2Snoop]

HeY dId YoU ALL gO tO sLEeP ?

Ok, i'LL GeT SoMe iCe CrEam AnD cOmE BaCk............or maybe I'll have some pudding, oh, but it's vanilla swiss almond ice cream but.........

If I don't come back you know I fell asleep on the chaise, ok.ok. :seeya:

I'm a Libra too! :beer: :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

Mwahagh! I don't get Nancy Grace at all and have to usually wait days for the transcript to come out.:eek:

We try to post the transcript here within hours of the current days show... Here's a link to all Nancy Grace transcripts....
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html


Here's tonight's discussion...

NANCY GRACE

Breaking News in Caylee Anthony Case
Aired January 5, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[lorettalockhorn]

>>>>>hugs to gator for showing me how to post my avi>>>>>>>>>:)


Ok, how's this for a real kicker........

Since the ice princess had many tricks to fill her coffers, why didn't she just put a couple of bucks aside and save some dinero for she AND Caylee to go to Puerto Rico??? :eek: My kids are teens and they know to have $ put aside for that 'something' that you really want when the moment presents itself. Oh, and WTH could she not ask Mommy or Daddy for some of the $ to go... she could have borrowed some more from Amy instead of stealing it from her!

Well, isn't that a profound thought, Casey! Save $ ??

If she was thinking so far ahead, she could have used PR as an excuse for why Caylee disappeared or an accident (while There, something happening to Caylee).

Caylee:rose:
my Rocco:rose:
Prayers to the Travolta family for the loss of their son Jett ~ RIP...How sad is that.

Awww Love the kitty baby!

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey y'all are more than welcome to start a thread here in the Anthony forum on this if you like. :beer: Just sayin' :D

Isn't there an ANS forum/thread at CL? Sure didn't realize that there are subjects that we can't post OT about in here. Just sayin'.

[lorettalockhorn]

We try to post the transcript here within hours of the current days show... Here's a link to all Nancy Grace transcripts....
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html


Here's tonight's discussion...

NANCY GRACE

Breaking News in Caylee Anthony Case
Aired January 5, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

Did I give her the wrong link? Sorry Sharlock! It's the Nyquil. :punch:

[One2Snoop]

Did I give her the wrong link? Sorry Sharlock! It's the Nyquil. :punch:

I don't know - I guess I missed it LOL. Sorry about that.

[One2Snoop]

Isn't there an ANS forum/thread at CL? Sure didn't realize that there are subjects that we can't post OT about in here. Just sayin'.

There used to an ANS forum here - Freshwater shut it down shortly before she left Dec. 2007. No one's started a new discussion that I'm aware of - so that's why I thought you guys could start a thread about it if you like. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

Link to NG transcripts:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

I usually look for one around midnight CST, but sometimes it's posted earlier. Sometimes later. There's so much interruption, crosstalk and talking over each other, it must be hard to transcribe!

Sorry. I missed this somehow. :patriot:

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know - I guess I missed it LOL. Sorry about that.

Wouldn't surprise me if I botched the link. Haven't had Nyquil in a long time, so I'm a lightweight. :hat:

Early in the hour on NG, they talked about Casey possibly being allowed to watch Caylee's funeral (which I thought was going to be private). Maybe they're talking about the public memorial service. Anyway, this was in one of the updates tonight:

...Also Monday, a corrections spokesman said it might be possible for Casey Anthony, who remains held at the Orange County Jail, to watch her daughter's funeral, if it is carried by local TV stations. However, the spokesman said the Corrections Department has not yet decided whether to allow Casey Anthony to watch the funeral....

http://www.wesh.com/news/18415532/detail.html

Nancy made a comment about Caylee being all alone at the funeral home, and it does seem so very sad. I guess the second autopsy and all the planning is ultra time consuming.



There used to an ANS forum here - Freshwater shut it down shortly before she left Dec. 2007. No one's started a new discussion that I'm aware of - so that's why I thought you guys could start a thread about it if you like. :seeya:

hmmm Another one of the weird things she did? Or had it gone beyond the pale?

[One2Snoop]

Wouldn't surprise me if I botched the link. Haven't had Nyquil in a long time, so I'm a lightweight. :hat:

Early in the hour on NG, they talked about Casey possibly being allowed to watch Caylee's funeral (which I thought was going to be private). Maybe they're talking about the public memorial service. Anyway, this was in one of the updates tonight:

...Also Monday, a corrections spokesman said it might be possible for Casey Anthony, who remains held at the Orange County Jail, to watch her daughter's funeral, if it is carried by local TV stations. However, the spokesman said the Corrections Department has not yet decided whether to allow Casey Anthony to watch the funeral....

http://www.wesh.com/news/18415532/detail.html

Nancy made a comment about Caylee being all alone at the funeral home, and it does seem so very sad. I guess the second autopsy and all the planning is ultra time consuming.





hmmm Another one of the weird things she did? Or had it gone beyond the pale?

That makes me sick if they allow Casey to be any part of Caylee's burial - for gawds sake she killed her child! (screaming in my head!)

I read a rumor at another "place" that Caylee's already been cremated - no way to verify that so take it for what its worth. :shrug:

hmmm Another one of the weird things she did? Or had it gone beyond the pale?

I have no doubt it was the latter - along with a few other forums that met their demise before she left. JBR - Laci Peterson also come to mind.

A few of the dedicated posters in the JBR forum started a thread in Open discussion after FW left.

[lorettalockhorn]

That makes me sick if they allow Casey to be any part of Caylee's burial - for gawds sake she killed her child! (screaming in my head!)

I read a rumor at another "place" that Caylee's already been cremated - no way to verify that so take it for what its worth. :shrug:



I have no doubt it was the latter - along with a few other forums that met their demise before she left. JBR - Laci Peterson also come to mind.

A few of the dedicated posters in the JBR forum started a thread in Open discussion after FW left.

I've read that Caylee is cremated too, but didn't see a source. Is letting Casey watch on TV a special concession? UGH

Didn't realize that Laci's thread got poofed too. FH2O actually deleted the condolences thread in the Nona Dirksmeyer forum for some strange reason. The condolences thread, for pity's sake.

[One2Snoop]

I've read that Caylee is cremated too, but didn't see a source. Is letting Casey watch on TV a special concession? UGH

Didn't realize that Laci's thread got poofed too. FH2O actually deleted the condolences thread in the Nona Dirksmeyer forum for some strange reason. The condolences thread, for pity's sake.

I don't know if FW's the one that started the thread or not but it appears she deleted all her posts before she left and alot of stuff in other forums ended up in the proverbial black hole because of it. I'm thinking that's what happened to Nona's condolence thread? Any idea who started it? It's the only explanation I've been able to come up with.

Is letting Casey watch on TV a special concession? UGH

According to jail officials she's not been provided any special concessions throughout this entire ordeal, not sure why they would allow her to watch Caylee's memorial if it's televised. I've also heard it's supposed to be private so not sure how they would provide Casey with special viewing privileges. It would be foolish (boarding on favoritism) on their part IMO so I just don't see it happening.

[Reckless]

(snipped)
According to jail officials she's not been provided any special concessions throughout this entire ordeal, not sure why they would allow her to watch Caylee's memorial if it's televised. I've also heard it's supposed to be private so not sure how they would provide Casey with special viewing privileges. It would be foolish (boarding on favoritism) on their part IMO so I just don't see it happening.
I heard that the Memorial for Caylee is televised by one of the local channels the jail gets, then Casey can watch. If not, Oh welll....

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know if FW's the one that started the thread or not but it appears she deleted all her posts before she left and alot of stuff in other forums ended up in the proverbial black hole because of it. I'm thinking that's what happened to Nona's condolence thread? Any idea who started it? It's the only explanation I've been able to come up with.



According to jail officials she's not been provided any special concessions throughout this entire ordeal, not sure why they would allow her to watch Caylee's memorial if it's televised. I've also heard it's supposed to be private so not sure how they would provide Casey with special viewing privileges. It would be foolish (boarding on favoritism) on their part IMO so I just don't see it happening.

I thought FDInlaw started the condolences thread, but I could be wrong. Looks like even if FWater had started it, the first post could have been deleted and the rest left intact. Just disrespectful.

Agree with you about what would seem like favoritism if Casey is allowed to watch in lieu of attending if that isn't what is allowed any other indicted murderer. And honestly thought that the funeral was going to be private, so maybe they're actually talking about the memorial service. Gotta wonder who even made the request. Should we assume that it was G&C?

What a mess. Don't you just sometimes wonder what the next bombshell will be?!

[One2Snoop]

I heard that the Memorial for Caylee is televised by one of the local channels the jail gets, then Casey can watch. If not, Oh welll....

If true, that sucks. JMO LOL.

[One2Snoop]

I thought FDInlaw started the condolences thread, but I could be wrong. Looks like even if FWater had started it, the first post could have been deleted and the rest left intact. Just disrespectful.

Agree with you about what would seem like favoritism if Casey is allowed to watch in lieu of attending if that isn't what is allowed any other indicted murderer. And honestly thought that the funeral was going to be private, so maybe they're actually talking about the memorial service. Gotta wonder who even made the request. Should we assume that it was G&C?

What a mess. Don't you just sometimes wonder what the next bombshell will be?!

I don't know who started the condolence thread, but I do know the current admin looked hi and low for it and couldn't find it anywhere, not even in the archives. It's strange, but consider the situation back then - I honestly believe things were done in spite - a bunch of stuff in the Tara Grinstead forum was also lost.

Agree with you about what would seem like favoritism if Casey is allowed to watch in lieu of attending if that isn't what is allowed any other indicted murderer. And honestly thought that the funeral was going to be private, so maybe they're actually talking about the memorial service. Gotta wonder who even made the request. Should we assume that it was G&C?

Time will give us the answers - I think G & C want to include Casey in all this more so out of guilt - they blame themselves because they couldn't save Caylee, so now they have to save Casey. I hope the prosecution plays that one tape over and over again where Cindy says, "if my daughters involved/responsible ?? then she should pay". Not verbatim but it was one of the first few tapes of Cindy out there hot under the collar because all she wanted to do was find Caylee. IMO she was focused in the right direction early on and then lost it somewhere after that. :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

If true, that sucks. JMO LOL.

Well said!

[lorettalockhorn]

I heard that the Memorial for Caylee is televised by one of the local channels the jail gets, then Casey can watch. If not, Oh welll....

That's similar to what NG or one of her guests said. I guess it will be conveniently held during Casey's TV time. pfft

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know who started the condolence thread, but I do know the current admin looked hi and low for it and couldn't find it anywhere, not even in the archives. It's strange, but consider the situation back then - I honestly believe things were done in spite - a bunch of stuff in the Tara Grinstead forum was also lost.



Time will give us the answers - I think G & C want to include Casey in all this more so out of guilt - they blame themselves because they couldn't save Caylee, so now they have to save Casey. I hope the prosecution plays that one tape over and over again where Cindy says, "if my daughters involved/responsible ?? then she should pay". Not verbatim but it was one of the first few tapes of Cindy out there hot under the collar because all she wanted to do was find Caylee. IMO she was focused in the right direction early on and then lost it somewhere after that. :confused:

I can believe that about that thread (and just about anything else).

G&C's about face is inexplicable!

[Amy]

Now that is what I have said all along. Casey lives inside her head. She has moved beyond what happened to Caylee and in her fantasy world it never happened. She probably sits in cell imagining she is in the Caribbian with her georgeous boyfriend. I agree she's not insane. Any time you cover up a crime there is consciousness of guilt.

I hate to print it out loud, but, they could always go w/incapable of standing trial, of being able to participate in her defense. Of course, that would fly into the statement Cindy made about how intelligent Casey is, and is, in fact, "giving good advice" to her attorney, Mr. Jose Baez!!!!!

[applesandorange]

I'm so happy to see you back Sara. Sorry I didn't post earlier. I've been going through some stuff. My cousin's ex husband died unexpectedly at age 36 and her 2 boys are taking it rather hard. The oldest is 9 and he was very close to his father. So I've been trying to help out there.

Since I'm up due to my husband not being able to find his dress shoe and tearing the bedroom apart. Of course it's my 4 years olds fault for always wearing daddy's stuff and never putting it back. It couldn't be my husbands fault for letting his chit laying around everywhere right? Grrr..... Anyway. I'm up and I was thinking.....

I think what has me most upset with Cindy is why did she let Casey get away with her bad behavior for so long? There were so many things Cindy could have done to try to find out what was really going on in Casey's life. For instance the car Casey was driving was Cindy's right? Otherwise how could she report it stolen? So at some point Cindy could have said she had an appointment to take the car to the garage for something and that she would drop Caylee off at the nanny's and Casey off at work. Then she would have had some info on the nanny. Where she lived, what she looked like etc... She also could have taken a day off of work and followed Casey. She also could have said "now listen, until I meet that nanny and know exactly where you are going you are not using my car." I know this may sound borderline psycho but I can bet you my mom would have used all those tactics and more on me if she even suspected I was lying about where I was going. Also how is it that for 2 years Casey wasn't working and Cindy didn't know this? She could have just showed up for a surprise visit at Universal..... IMO Cindy knew what her daughter was and just brushed it all under the rug thinking well she's never done anything THAT bad.... I don't think Cindy had any idea that Casey could kill Caylee but she darn right knew she was a pathological liar and let it go.


Morning Danagher! Would you please let me know what my shadow is? I'm a Capricorn. TIA

[applesandorange]

Good morning A&O... So sorry to hear about the tragedy in your family. That is devastating.

The Capricorn shadow is called "The Boss" Your burden is heavy responsibility. Workaholic! You show up for life. First in line to take it all on. Not able to suffer the fool easily. :-) God love Capricorn, the world would not turn without them. (You'll find that shoe)

I agree with your post about Cindy turning the other way knowing Casey was a liar. I see again how denial can cause destruction. I'd like to know when and how she had access to her grandfather and or Grandmother's Finances?????


Thanks so much! Kinda sounds like me lol.

IIRC she had access to her grandparents account because they sent her a birthday card with a check in it. She used the routing and account numbers off the bottom of the check.

ETA: Thanks for the condolances. We really don't have a lot of information since he was in FL and we are in PA. From what we have heard is there were a lot of medications found near his body. I am thinking suicide since his mother died a year ago New Years. He made a comment to my cousin on Christmas that nobody ever wants to help him and nobody wants him. I think he just couldn't face another year. Sad.

[applesandorange]

Tonight my sister is coming in from Florida. TO freeze ;) for a week.
I won't be posting much this week, and hopefully more information will leak out about this case. Personally I'm theory'd out. I have a feeling we are going to hear a lot of things at trial that are going to make us gasp in shock. I want to know why that beautiful little Caylee had to die. I want to know how it came to that. Who is really responsible besides her murderous horrible mother? What can it all teach the world about jealousy and hate? There is nothing sadness alone can do to right that wrong. All we can do as a society is learn from it. I'm amazed at the fact that the Anthony's did not see the writing on the wall. Sadly, they didn't. But, like some have said here, focus on the children, protect the children at all cost. How hard is that?

I don't suppose the Anthony's could have imagined Casey would literally kill her daughter. Liars are not always murderers. Something tells me though, that Cindy's problem was her ego and that doesn't equate to loving the child. It blindsided her completely. She wanted to win. She wanted to manipulate.

I knew another parent who was that way with his step son. (who had been very spoiled by his mother) The 17 year old couldn't stand it anymore and one morning he took a baseball bat and beat his step father over the head in his sleep with it. That man is now brain damaged and his step son is in jail for the duration. That's what happens when people play mind games to that extent. The step father relentlessly, continuously, and intentionally one up'd him. On the last day, when step dad couldn't win, he took the license plates off his step son's car and laughed, "It's registered to me, so it's MY car!" He felt very proud of himself for it. Next morning it was nobody's car.

I see this dynamic very clearly with Cindy and Casey. The most likely scenario's... Cindy: "It' s my house, my money, my car, my food, my public image, my world, my way, my Caylee!"

:shrug:


I hope you have a great visit with your sister. Hope she doesn't turn into a popsicle ; )

ITA with your post! Too many times it has happened locally that a child murders their parent, parents, or entire family. You gotta wonder what happens to make people do these things. In fact it wasn't very far from here that a woman drown all of her children, laid them all on the bed and called 911. 2 years ago right up the road from me a teenage boy killed his grandma, aunt and all his siblings. The neighbor got a phone call from the grandfather who was in NY waiting for the rest of the family to arrive. She went to check on the family and when she got their the boy was sitting at the kitchen table and pointed to the basement. She went down the stairs to find everyone slain. She ran back up and called 911. Now WTH happens to make people do these things? I will never understand it.

[applesandorange]

Your cousin's husband was most likely in a serious depression. That was fixable. So sad... Been there with someone I love. The feeling is sheer helplessness. My prayers go out to your family and the children.


She opened a card and stole a check routing number? Jaysus, she sounds like the "great impostor!" He wrote checks on napkins. This is nuts! She was a career criminal? That sounds like desperation which sounds like drug addicted behavior. (I'll say it again. It sounds like she was on drugs.) I want to be right about this because if her mind was not altered on drugs when she killed her baby, she is a monster of the worst caliber and I hate knowing there are those kinds of people on this earth that look perfectly normal. I'll hide in my house forever.

Yep, "GOD LOVE CAPPYCAWN!" One of my favorites. :)

I agree. He was in a depression. Had been for years. He was a Gulf War Vet. He came back with some serious problems. I know some people think that wasn't a war worthy of the amo but I seen him go from a very active person to a guy who could barely walk. He had to use a cane and recently he couldn't walk farther than 2 blocks. He was on all kinds of different meds. The VA hospital never wanted to admit that anything happened over there in that sand trap. I just hope he has finally found peace.

I know!! What kind of person even thinks to use routing numbers and stuff from a check they are given? She was desperate alright. I'm just not sure if it was drugs or if she was just desperate to keep her whole story going that she had a job. She had to have money from somewhere right? I know people who will do just about anything to keep their lie going. On the other hand, her switching friends and turning into a different person does sound very much like drugs.

[applesandorange]

Yes, those things do happen. Unfortunately parents are not schooled in psychiatry and miss the symptoms of mental disorders. Some disorders are not clearly apparent either. A high percentage of schizophrenics kill; either themselves or others and that disorder comes through in the late teen years. The average lay person won't see it as a sickness and may attack them unwittingly which can cause the kind of reaction the boy near your house had. From what I've read about that disorder, Casey doesn't have it. IMO anyway. I do believe the murder of Caylee was a knee jerk reaction, not a plan.. or at least it was a culmination of stress put on Casey by Cindy, not to say it was normal. I get that Cindy enjoyed putting Casey down, criticizing her and maybe even humiliating her. Casey told her brother IIRC "Mom said I'm not a good mother. I might as well go to jail. Maybe I'm a spiteful *****. Mom will never forgive me for this."

All my own opinion here. ^

I don't think Casey had any kind of mental disorder either. A personality disorder? Yes most likely. I for so long had thought that it was an accident. Now with the information about the duct tape I don't think so anymore. I'm not sure she had it all planned out and had all of her ducks in a row when Caylee died. I do think she was planning something though because of all the internet searches. I think Cindy just pushed Casey too far and Casey took action on Caylee right then instead of waiting until it was all planned out. Her rash decisions (moving the body around, I do believe she was in the back yard for a time because of the dogs hitting there) and how close Caylee was dumped near the home make me think she didn't have everything totally planned out. Casey IMO would never have been good enough for Cindy. I think Cindy was in competition with Casey on a daily basis. She IMO put Casey down to raise herself up. People who do that are usually have low self esteems. I think the entire family has problems that will most likely come out in court and make all of our heads spin.

[applesandorange]

I'm a baby boomer and am ashamed to say I don't know enough about the sand trap. I know what Viet Nam did to the boys who came home broken in the heart and mind. War hurts in so many ways. The man is definitely in peace now. No more war for him. But the healing is going to take a lifetime for those who loved him because of the nature of his passing. Suicide survivors are in a class by themselves. IMO. The meds sometimes cause the suicidal feelings.. but don't get me started on that one! Doctors are the worst drug dealers, and they never get arrested. Go figure!

I agree she may have needed to show funds to keep the lies going, yes. :beer:


I guess it's just you and me this early in the morning :beer:

I agree about the Dr. being drug dealers. One time I pulled something in my neck and couldn't move. I couldn't even raise my arms. I went to the Dr. who prescribed Oxycodone. I came home took one and handed the bottle to my husband and told him to get rid of them. I had my oldest 2 babies then and they were very young. I knew the way it made me feel I couldn't function properly to take care of them. My husband flushed the pills and I went to a chiropractor. He fixed me right up with no meds go figure. To this day I don't even take Tylenol unless I have a migraine which usually comes with that time of the month. Viet Nam was the WORST war!! I am only 29 but my grandma had 12 kids and most of my cousins are older than I am. I lost 2 cousins in that war. One of their bodies was only identified about 7 years ago by means of dental records.

[Gatordog]

I don't know if FW's the one that started the thread or not but it appears she deleted all her posts before she left and alot of stuff in other forums ended up in the proverbial black hole because of it. I'm thinking that's what happened to Nona's condolence thread? Any idea who started it? It's the only explanation I've been able to come up with.



According to jail officials she's not been provided any special concessions throughout this entire ordeal, not sure why they would allow her to watch Caylee's memorial if it's televised. I've also heard it's supposed to be private so not sure how they would provide Casey with special viewing privileges. It would be foolish (boarding on favoritism) on their part IMO so I just don't see it happening.

There will be two memorials one which is private and the other will be public and aired on tv. It's the public memorial which they will allow the Liar to watch. I guess she's allowed one hour of free time of her choice, so they will let her watch the service. The question is, will she choose to watch it?

Gator

[applesandorange]

There will be two memorials one which is private and the other will be public and aired on tv. It's the public memorial which they will allow the Liar to watch. I guess she's allowed one hour of free time of her choice, so they will let her watch the service. The question is, will she choose to watch it?

Gator


Good morning Gator! I wanted to say thank you for placing the flowers at Caylee's memorial for all of us. I wasn't around much when that was going on and never got to say thank you. You have a very kind heart and we all appreciate it. :rose:

[applesandorange]

I hear you with the Dr's and their pill pushing ways. Oxycodone is one they never gave to me, but the antidepressants were. They hand them out like a cure all for everything, even PMS. If you tell them your dog has fleas, you get zoloft! I can't stand that. Situational Depression is another matter. In Europe doctors prescribe anti depressants for no more than 6 months. I'm not expert and realize some people need them for longer periods but some don't and that's where I get my panties in a twist. Yes Viet Nam was the worst war in my life too. It was the turning point of my generation and our lack of patriotism.

Casey has definitely got a personality disorder. She is also at least half out of her mind. I think she didn't see Caylee as a person. She was just a doll she had outgrown. IMO. It was Mommy dearest doll anyway.

Yes, it's you and me this morning but I have to got get some work done now. Nice talking with you A&O!


Nice talking to you too! I should probably get some stuff done too since my 4 year old is still asleep.

[Gatordog]

Yes, those things do happen. Unfortunately parents are not schooled in psychiatry and miss the symptoms of mental disorders. Some disorders are not clearly apparent either. A high percentage of schizophrenics kill; either themselves or others and that disorder comes through in the late teen years. The average lay person won't see it as a sickness and may attack them unwittingly which can cause the kind of reaction the boy near your house had. From what I've read about that disorder, Casey doesn't have it. IMO anyway. I do believe the murder of Caylee was a knee jerk reaction, not a plan.. or at least it was a culmination of stress put on Casey by Cindy, not to say it was normal. I get that Cindy enjoyed putting Casey down, criticizing her and maybe even humiliating her. Casey told her brother IIRC "Mom said I'm not a good mother. I might as well go to jail. Maybe I'm a spiteful *****. Mom will never forgive me for this."

All my own opinion here. ^

Good Morning Danagher, I'm just a little confused - either Cindy ignored the Liar's parenting skills and was a bad mother or she criticized the parenting skills and was a controlling mother? Whatever Cindy might have done, she did it for Caylee's wellbeing. Gosh, I hate having to defend G&C but I see them getting slammed no matter what they did. My personal opinion, they let her get away with lying, stealing and being a waste of a human being for years. It was too late when they wanted her to straighten out her life for Caylee's sake. I feel that the Liar "plucked out the eye that offended".
She blamed little Caylee for all her problems and got rid of the problem.

By the way it's true about schizophrenics killing themselves. I had a cousin who was a surgical nurse, twenty-five years old, married and happy. She started changing and tried to kill herself. They put her in a hospital and diagnosed her as schizophrenic. They released her and on her way home. over a bridge, she opened the car door and tried to jump out of the car. She went back to the hospital. When she was released again, she went to a gun dealer, bought a handgun and shot herself in the chest. She said that as a nurse, she new what the disease would do and she was better off dead. The blessing was that she didn't take anyone else with her as so many people do.

[Gatordog]

Good morning Gator! I wanted to say thank you for placing the flowers at Caylee's memorial for all of us. I wasn't around much when that was going on and never got to say thank you. You have a very kind heart and we all appreciate it. :rose:

It was an honor doing it in everyone's name, it gave the flowers more meaning because they were from so many people and not just me.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Ahh so we have 3 Libra's here. Not surprised that 3 of the good posters were born under the sign of the "Scales of Justice" Of course all the signs have a hand in this, but Libra.. well they can't deal with what is unfair, AT ALL! They fight to the death for justice. No indecision when it comes to that! And Libra smells pretty too! :)

I'm a Taurus - and totally bull-headed and stubborn to boot! I don't give up easily. :D

Gator

[applesandorange]

This is OT but has anyone seen beemeup lately?

[Gatordog]

She could not live on her own. She never learned how to wipe her own ass. She had to call her mommy for the time of day. She was useless. She probably likes jail, they serve her 3 meals a day and watch her shower. They give her toilet paper and clean sheets. It's perfect! Now she doesn't have to get out the tide and push a button to start a washing machine. Gawd, she couldn't even remember to put gas in a car. Dumb as a box of rocks.
If she ran off and left the country, she'd die of stupidity. She is a need bag!

There we go again, back on the same page. :D :beer:

Gator

[Gatordog]

>>>>>hugs to gator for showing me how to post my avi>>>>>>>>>:)


Ok, how's this for a real kicker........

Since the ice princess had many tricks to fill her coffers, why didn't she just put a couple of bucks aside and save some dinero for she AND Caylee to go to Puerto Rico??? :eek: My kids are teens and they know to have $ put aside for that 'something' that you really want when the moment presents itself. Oh, and WTH could she not ask Mommy or Daddy for some of the $ to go... she could have borrowed some more from Amy instead of stealing it from her!

Well, isn't that a profound thought, Casey! Save $ ??

If she was thinking so far ahead, she could have used PR as an excuse for why Caylee disappeared or an accident (while There, something happening to Caylee).

Caylee:rose:
my Rocco:rose:
Prayers to the Travolta family for the loss of their son Jett ~ RIP...How sad is that.



Rocco was beautiful...looks like my one year old - Colby Jack.

I believe these new friends didn't want a baby in the group. They were all young professionals - none are married, no children and free to go as pleased. If she brought Caylee to PR, then she would be in the hotel room while everyone was out partying at night. This is why the Liar started resenting Caylee. Her previous friends were family people, not club goers. The new group were clubbers, drinkers and partiers. They didn't want to be encumbered by a baby.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

There will be two memorials one which is private and the other will be public and aired on tv. It's the public memorial which they will allow the Liar to watch. I guess she's allowed one hour of free time of her choice, so they will let her watch the service. The question is, will she choose to watch it?

Gator

That makes sense. Good question!

Good Morning Danagher, I'm just a little confused - either Cindy ignored the Liar's parenting skills and was a bad mother or she criticized the parenting skills and was a controlling mother? Whatever Cindy might have done, she did it for Caylee's wellbeing. Gosh, I hate having to defend G&C but I see them getting slammed no matter what they did. My personal opinion, they let her get away with lying, stealing and being a waste of a human being for years. It was too late when they wanted her to straighten out her life for Caylee's sake. I feel that the Liar "plucked out the eye that offended".
She blamed little Caylee for all her problems and got rid of the problem.

By the way it's true about schizophrenics killing themselves. I had a cousin who was a surgical nurse, twenty-five years old, married and happy. She started changing and tried to kill herself. They put her in a hospital and diagnosed her as schizophrenic. They released her and on her way home. over a bridge, she opened the car door and tried to jump out of the car. She went back to the hospital. When she was released again, she went to a gun dealer, bought a handgun and shot herself in the chest. She said that as a nurse, she new what the disease would do and she was better off dead. The blessing was that she didn't take anyone else with her as so many people do.

I do think that G&C were somewhat derelict in knowing what was going on with Casey. I honestly have a hard time believing that they didn't know that the job was a farce, and had to have been asking themselves why a nanny was even necessary. Of course I can think of things that they could have done to at least get a handle on what was going on right under their noses, it's part of my critical nature, and if they had bothered, maybe then they could have sought some professional help to deal with the issues. Maybe that's what Cindy was doing when she spoke with the therapist. Maybe we don't know yet what exactly G&C did know. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Condolences to all of you have lost loved ones to tragedy.

[lorettalockhorn]

I am here apples-just lurking here and there as of late-with my tail between my legs-came out of the corner tho HA!!! After some haterade at a cocktail party a few weeks before xmas i made a couple nonsensical posts. We have been on a two month vigil with FIL who wanted to pass at home. Vigil ended Sunday night at 3:20 a.m. peacefully. No celebration of life till end of the week as family needs to get here. Catching up on sleep so no haterade till then for me. Sorry to read of your loss. It's all good here i just was very embarrassed. Since you asked it opened the door for me to suck it up and respond. After this week i will be here. Thanks for asking.:seeya:

Sorry for your loss, but it's great to see you.

[lorettalockhorn]

Your points are always right on and yes, Cindy knew, and said on her My Space post that her daughter was a liar and a thief (in so many words) I also see her part in all of this but it's so hard to convict her on the Good Samaritan Law for Caylee's death because she would plead ignorant. She was ignorant and not very intuitive, so on a moral level.. hey who knows? I can't explain how I feel it was her fault. I got it in my head but I can't put it in print without sounding like a preacher. I only know that Cindy was operating from her ego and that's something I won't change my mind about. But that doesn't get anyone arrested for being an accessory to murder. It's a plain ole personality flaw. IMO

Thank you for your condolences. :rose: They matter.

I don't blame Cindy for Caylee's death. (At least not now. That could change when this goes to court.) But I do hold her and George responsible in that they failed Caylee by virtue of their shallowness. They could have filled their whole lot with playhouses and sandboxes, and piled Caylee's room from wall to wall and floor to ceiling with toys, but knowing what they knew about Casey, Caylee was still a pawn.

[javahog]

I hate to print it out loud, but, they could always go w/incapable of standing trial, of being able to participate in her defense. Of course, that would fly into the statement Cindy made about how intelligent Casey is, and is, in fact, "giving good advice" to her attorney, Mr. Jose Baez!!!!!

If she has the cojones to show up at trial in a pareo and order the judge to bring her a margerita "snappy", then I'll give her props. But she still gets tried!

[javahog]

I am way behind here-have they said when Caylee's Memorial will be televised? I am sure Nancy or CNN will carry it with all the nationwide publicity. For some reason i have a sickening mental picture of Casey watching while noshing on her jail bought snacks.:flamemad:

Ugggh! What an image!

[lorettalockhorn]

i am way behind here-have they said when caylee's memorial will be televised? I am sure nancy or cnn will carry it with all the nationwide publicity. For some reason i have a sickening mental picture of casey watching while noshing on her jail bought snacks.:flamemad:

nuts!!!!!!!!!!

[Justice Denied?]

Hey y'all are more than welcome to start a thread here in the Anthony forum on this if you like. :beer: Just sayin' :D

Thanks, Snoop, appreciate the offer. don't know I'd be that interested. Was talked to death at the time. But if others are, I would probably join in.

[Grave Chaser]

Ahh so we have 3 Libra's here. Not surprised that 3 of the good posters were born under the sign of the "Scales of Justice" Of course all the signs have a hand in this, but Libra.. well they can't deal with what is unfair, AT ALL! They fight to the death for justice. No indecision when it comes to that! And Libra smells pretty too! :)

Good posters? I thought we all were good. Thanks for putting me in my place.

[Gatordog]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

I don't know who started the condolence thread, but I do know the current admin looked hi and low for it and couldn't find it anywhere, not even in the archives. It's strange, but consider the situation back then - I honestly believe things were done in spite - a bunch of stuff in the Tara Grinstead forum was also lost.



Time will give us the answers - I think G & C want to include Casey in all this more so out of guilt - they blame themselves because they couldn't save Caylee, so now they have to save Casey. I hope the prosecution plays that one tape over and over again where Cindy says, "if my daughters involved/responsible ?? then she should pay". Not verbatim but it was one of the first few tapes of Cindy out there hot under the collar because all she wanted to do was find Caylee. IMO she was focused in the right direction early on and then lost it somewhere after that. :confused:

I was beginning to think I wasthe only one who remembered her saying that! It was such a long time ago. I keep trying to figure out EXACTLY when se changed her mind and why. It was almost like she was being blackmailed or something. She certainly wasn't defending Casey in the beginning.

[applesandorange]

I am here apples-just lurking here and there as of late-with my tail between my legs-came out of the corner tho HA!!! After some haterade at a cocktail party a few weeks before xmas i made a couple nonsensical posts. We have been on a two month vigil with FIL who wanted to pass at home. Vigil ended Sunday night at 3:20 a.m. peacefully. No celebration of life till end of the week as family needs to get here. Catching up on sleep so no haterade till then for me. Sorry to read of your loss. It's all good here i just was very embarrassed. Since you asked it opened the door for me to suck it up and respond. After this week i will be here. Thanks for asking.:seeya:


I'm so glad you're here. I've been in the lurkdome for quite some time too. Mostly due to just not having enough time to post. I'm so sorry to hear about your FIL but glad he went peacefully. I don't remember reading anything nonsensical by you but I have seen haterade do that to people :D I always liked posting with you and hope maybe next week we'll both have the time to post. Thanks for your condolensces. Take care.

[Gatordog]

After reading a couple of posts, especially by Loretta and Danagher, I've come to realize why I go back and forth on Cindy and George. One day they're horrible people and the next day, I'm defending them. :shrug: I don't know what to believe any more. I know that anything that comes out of the Liar's mouth is doubtful, anything that Cindy says after the first two days is questionable. Anything George says depends on who he is talking with and when he is saying it. :rolleyes: So, I can't take for granted that anything that has been said by anyone named Anthony is honest and true. I know for sure that whatever the Liar said, other than "I look like hell", is a lie. What she said about her parents could be a lie. What Cindy said about the Liar, could be truth, could be false. George just bends in the wind but inside knows the truth, but can't face it. So, I'm just trying to hold off beating anyone up until the truth starts showing its face, if that's possible.

Gator

[applesandorange]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Gator


So glad someone finally said it!!

[applesandorange]

After reading a couple of posts, especially by Loretta and Danagher, I've come to realize why I go back and forth on Cindy and George. One day they're horrible people and the next day, I'm defending them. :shrug: I don't know what to believe any more. I know that anything that comes out of the Liar's mouth is doubtful, anything that Cindy says after the first two days is questionable. Anything George says depends on who he is talking with and when he is saying it. :rolleyes: So, I can't take for granted that anything that has been said by anyone named Anthony is honest and true. I know for sure that whatever the Liar said, other than "I look like hell", is a lie. What she said about her parents could be a lie. What Cindy said about the Liar, could be truth, could be false. George just bends in the wind but inside knows the truth, but can't face it. So, I'm just trying to hold off beating anyone up until the truth starts showing its face, if that's possible.

Gator

I feel exactly like that except as soon as I start to feel bad for G or C they go and do something to make me mad again.

[Justice Denied?]

That makes sense. Good question!



I do think that G&C were somewhat derelict in knowing what was going on with Casey. I honestly have a hard time believing that they didn't know that the job was a farce, and had to have been asking themselves why a nanny was even necessary. Of course I can think of things that they could have done to at least get a handle on what was going on right under their noses, it's part of my critical nature, and if they had bothered, maybe then they could have sought some professional help to deal with the issues. Maybe that's what Cindy was doing when she spoke with the therapist. Maybe we don't know yet what exactly G&C did know. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Condolences to all of you have lost loved ones to tragedy.

I still think that G & C knew Casey was unemployed. Didn't George say in one of his interviews that Cindy and Casey fought abouther not having a job?

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Gator

Baeztard.

[lorettalockhorn]

After reading a couple of posts, especially by Loretta and Danagher, I've come to realize why I go back and forth on Cindy and George. One day they're horrible people and the next day, I'm defending them. :shrug: I don't know what to believe any more. I know that anything that comes out of the Liar's mouth is doubtful, anything that Cindy says after the first two days is questionable. Anything George says depends on who he is talking with and when he is saying it. :rolleyes: So, I can't take for granted that anything that has been said by anyone named Anthony is honest and true. I know for sure that whatever the Liar said, other than "I look like hell", is a lie. What she said about her parents could be a lie. What Cindy said about the Liar, could be truth, could be false. George just bends in the wind but inside knows the truth, but can't face it. So, I'm just trying to hold off beating anyone up until the truth starts showing its face, if that's possible.

Gator

BWAAAAHAHA Loretta and Danagher aren't as horrible as G&C!! :hat:

Okay, seriously. I don't even know if I'll believe G&C under oath. Lying seems to come as naturally to them as it does to Casey.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes Yes Yes! Unfortunately, we know she's going to plead the 5th, no way will Baez let her talk. I hope Zenaida sues the S**t out of her, and it would be Real nice if she received monetary compensation, though very doubtful.

This stuff with Casey and Hoover..we knew there was not to be a press conference on that, now, didn't we? This part is a real iffy thing, because supposedly they Were told by Casey's friend to check the area. However, the timing is way off. Why then? The high waters in the swampy area could be used as an excuse for not doing it earlier. I'm sure his cell records will be checked, but the flip side is if there could have been inside info. Looks like a 50/50 kind of call. Even if his telecon shows a call to Casey's camp, what can be proved ...the conversation wasn't recorded. They did not, from what I gather, go into the woods to look for a bag. They were in the street filming, and we know animals scattered the contents, and probably dragged the bag, plus the water. So, it's all a bunch of BS, either way.

I'm so sorry to hear the sadness in many posts here. Many sad things have happened to us...the only consolation is that time heals, and we have many happy and good things coming our way this year, so remember things do get better. Hugs and Prayers to All>>>>>>>>>

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i cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from passing over my head but i can keep them from building a nest in my hair.......

Agree about Baez most likely wanting Casey to invoke her fifth amendment rights, but won't that more or less screw up the Anthonys' countersuit against Zenaida? She can't keep her mouth shut to protect herself in the original suit, then turn around and offer condemning statements in the countersuit. Can she?

I've been assuming that Sherlock and Watson were supposedly checking out Kiomarie's tip that Caylee might be in The Zone. D Casey certainly had time while he was on Baez's payroll before Hurricane Fay floods to check that area out. For some reason he waited until his contract with Baez was up, and he and Hoover were both working for the Ants. (Unless either/both of them searched at times that they weren't caught.) Like lots of folks, I find it very interesting that he was in the near vicinity of where Caylee was actually found while the assumption was that the Anthonys were searching for a live Caylee and he supposedly had others under surveillance.

[applesandorange]

Yes Yes Yes! Unfortunately, we know she's going to plead the 5th, no way will Baez let her talk. I hope Zenaida sues the S**t out of her, and it would be Real nice if she received monetary compensation, though very doubtful.

This stuff with Casey and Hoover..we knew there was not to be a press conference on that, now, didn't we? This part is a real iffy thing, because supposedly they Were told by Casey's friend to check the area. However, the timing is way off. Why then? The high waters in the swampy area could be used as an excuse for not doing it earlier. I'm sure his cell records will be checked, but the flip side is if there could have been inside info. Looks like a 50/50 kind of call. Even if his telecon shows a call to Casey's camp, what can be proved ...the conversation wasn't recorded. They did not, from what I gather, go into the woods to look for a bag. They were in the street filming, and we know animals scattered the contents, and probably dragged the bag, plus the water. So, it's all a bunch of BS, either way.

I'm so sorry to hear the sadness in many posts here. Many sad things have happened to us...the only consolation is that time heals, and we have many happy and good things coming our way this year, so remember things do get better. Hugs and Prayers to All>>>>>>>>>

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i cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from passing over my head but i can keep them from building a nest in my hair.......


I know she's going to plead the 5th but I wonder how difficult it will be for her to do so. She has to know that by doing so she will be found guilty. The was she is she wants everyone to believe her lies and thinks she's smart enough to make them believe her. I wonder how she's going to feel keeping her mouth shut. Ha!

Thanks for your sympathy. Time does heal all and although I know my cousin's boys have a rough road ahead I also know they will be okay.

[One2Snoop]

Yes Yes Yes! Unfortunately, we know she's going to plead the 5th, no way will Baez let her talk. I hope Zenaida sues the S**t out of her, and it would be Real nice if she received monetary compensation, though very doubtful.

This stuff with Casey and Hoover..we knew there was not to be a press conference on that, now, didn't we? This part is a real iffy thing, because supposedly they Were told by Casey's friend to check the area. However, the timing is way off. Why then? The high waters in the swampy area could be used as an excuse for not doing it earlier. I'm sure his cell records will be checked, but the flip side is if there could have been inside info. Looks like a 50/50 kind of call. Even if his telecon shows a call to Casey's camp, what can be proved ...the conversation wasn't recorded. They did not, from what I gather, go into the woods to look for a bag. They were in the street filming, and we know animals scattered the contents, and probably dragged the bag, plus the water. So, it's all a bunch of BS, either way.

I'm so sorry to hear the sadness in many posts here. Many sad things have happened to us...the only consolation is that time heals, and we have many happy and good things coming our way this year, so remember things do get better. Hugs and Prayers to All>>>>>>>>>

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i cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from passing over my head but i can keep them from building a nest in my hair.......

IIRC Morgan is only suing Casey for $15,000 which doesn't seem like a heck of a whole lot. :shrug: I doubt Zenaida see's a penny of it either.

[applesandorange]

Agree about Baez most likely wanting Casey to invoke her fifth amendment rights, but won't that more or less screw up the Anthonys' countersuit against Zenaida? She can't keep her mouth shut to protect herself in the original suit, then turn around and offer condemning statements in the countersuit. Can she?

I've been assuming that Sherlock and Watson were supposedly checking out Kiomarie's tip that Caylee might be in The Zone. D Casey certainly had time while he was on Baez's payroll before Hurricane Fay floods to check that area out. For some reason he waited until his contract with Baez was up, and he and Hoover were both working for the Ants. (Unless either/both of them searched at times that they weren't caught.) Like lots of folks, I find it very interesting that he was in the near vicinity of where Caylee was actually found while the assumption was that the Anthonys were searching for a live Caylee and he supposedly had others under surveillance.


Right as always Loretta!!! When Kiomarie gave that tip to LE I couldn't help but wonder about it. I wonder if Baez is going to try to pin it on her next.

[Gatordog]

BWAAAAHAHA Loretta and Danagher aren't as horrible as G&C!! :hat:

Okay, seriously. I don't even know if I'll believe G&C under oath. Lying seems to come as naturally to them as it does to Casey.

Oh my gosh, no no no..:eek: It's just that what you say makes so much sense and then I go and wonder, well have they based their statement on fact or assumption and then I realize we don't really know if the facts are true or just Anthonyspeak.

Gator

[Gatordog]

So then we'll see you at Sappy hour after midnight. First Hagnog's on me! My sis will be in later from Florida, so I may not make it, but I'll give it a try. I'll slip her a mickey and push her over on to the couch.. ;) so I can come read along with all of you great people.

Give her a couple of haterades and get her to post too! The more the merrier. :beer:

Gator

[One2Snoop]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Gator

snicker http://i43.tinypic.com/2vb6dqp.gif

[Gatordog]

Yes Yes Yes! Unfortunately, we know she's going to plead the 5th, no way will Baez let her talk. I hope Zenaida sues the S**t out of her, and it would be Real nice if she received monetary compensation, though very doubtful.

This stuff with Casey and Hoover..we knew there was not to be a press conference on that, now, didn't we? This part is a real iffy thing, because supposedly they Were told by Casey's friend to check the area. However, the timing is way off. Why then? The high waters in the swampy area could be used as an excuse for not doing it earlier. I'm sure his cell records will be checked, but the flip side is if there could have been inside info. Looks like a 50/50 kind of call. Even if his telecon shows a call to Casey's camp, what can be proved ...the conversation wasn't recorded. They did not, from what I gather, go into the woods to look for a bag. They were in the street filming, and we know animals scattered the contents, and probably dragged the bag, plus the water. So, it's all a bunch of BS, either way.

I'm so sorry to hear the sadness in many posts here. Many sad things have happened to us...the only consolation is that time heals, and we have many happy and good things coming our way this year, so remember things do get better. Hugs and Prayers to All>>>>>>>>>

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i cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from passing over my head but i can keep them from building a nest in my hair.......

I tell you what. Tonight after work, I'll take a drive by and go down Suburban and see how long a road it actually is. I couldn't that last time because it was barracaded off but it's open now. From what I understand the "zone" is further down behind the school. This burial site is just 15 feet behind the houses. If it's light enough, I'll see just how far the road goes and wave to the police camera that has been set up at the site. :seeya:

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Agree about Baez most likely wanting Casey to invoke her fifth amendment rights, but won't that more or less screw up the Anthonys' countersuit against Zenaida? She can't keep her mouth shut to protect herself in the original suit, then turn around and offer condemning statements in the countersuit. Can she?

I've been assuming that Sherlock and Watson were supposedly checking out Kiomarie's tip that Caylee might be in The Zone. D Casey certainly had time while he was on Baez's payroll before Hurricane Fay floods to check that area out. For some reason he waited until his contract with Baez was up, and he and Hoover were both working for the Ants. (Unless either/both of them searched at times that they weren't caught.) Like lots of folks, I find it very interesting that he was in the near vicinity of where Caylee was actually found while the assumption was that the Anthonys were searching for a live Caylee and he supposedly had others under surveillance.

I still say it's fishy. Something is not right here. there is just too much coincidence. That doesn't happen in real life.

[javahog]

Oh my gosh, no no no..:eek: It's just that what you say makes so much sense and then I go and wonder, well have they based their statement on fact or assumption and then I realize we don't really know if the facts are true or just Anthonyspeak.

Gator

I don't think it will be a problem. I will lay cyber-money they throw her under the bus. And you can always run around and fact check for us:D

[Gatordog]

When Gator met Cindy: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil22.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

When Gator watches Liar Video: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

When the Liar meets her fate: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil19.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[javahog]

I tell you what. Tonight after work, I'll take a drive by and go down Suburban and see how long a road it actually is. I couldn't that last time because it was barracaded off but it's open now. From what I understand the "zone" is further down behind the school. This burial site is just 15 feet behind the houses. If it's light enough, I'll see just how far the road goes and wave to the police camera that has been set up at the site. :seeya:

Gator

If nothing else, reading about the Zone has taught me to never move near a wooded area since I have kids...talk about no good coming from it!

[applesandorange]

If nothing else, reading about the Zone has taught me to never move near a wooded area since I have kids...talk about no good coming from it!


I love the woods. My oldest son is 10. He has a friend whos back yard is nothing but woods. My son always has the best time when he goes there to play. Tree houses and rope swings, catching toads and bulding forts. The only thing I hate about it is ticks. Ewww I hate ticks. Now when they get to be teenagers I could see bad things coming from it. Drinking etc.. because the kids dad tends to drink a lot that's why I won't let my son spend the night there and he may not go there if the boys mom isn't present.

[deacon]

I'm so happy to see you back Sara. Sorry I didn't post earlier. I've been going through some stuff. My cousin's ex husband died unexpectedly at age 36 and her 2 boys are taking it rather hard. The oldest is 9 and he was very close to his father. So I've been trying to help out there.

Since I'm up due to my husband not being able to find his dress shoe and tearing the bedroom apart. Of course it's my 4 years olds fault for always wearing daddy's stuff and never putting it back. It couldn't be my husbands fault for letting his chit laying around everywhere right? Grrr..... Anyway. I'm up and I was thinking.....

I think what has me most upset with Cindy is why did she let Casey get away with her bad behavior for so long? There were so many things Cindy could have done to try to find out what was really going on in Casey's life. For instance the car Casey was driving was Cindy's right? Otherwise how could she report it stolen? So at some point Cindy could have said she had an appointment to take the car to the garage for something and that she would drop Caylee off at the nanny's and Casey off at work. Then she would have had some info on the nanny. Where she lived, what she looked like etc... She also could have taken a day off of work and followed Casey. She also could have said "now listen, until I meet that nanny and know exactly where you are going you are not using my car." I know this may sound borderline psycho but I can bet you my mom would have used all those tactics and more on me if she even suspected I was lying about where I was going. Also how is it that for 2 years Casey wasn't working and Cindy didn't know this? She could have just showed up for a surprise visit at Universal..... IMO Cindy knew what her daughter was and just brushed it all under the rug thinking well she's never done anything THAT bad.... I don't think Cindy had any idea that Casey could kill Caylee but she darn right knew she was a pathological liar and let it go.


Morning Danagher! Would you please let me know what my shadow is? I'm a Capricorn. TIA


Or the best idea, IMO, would have been to start the different "parenting" when she was small. IMO this person, casey, started down this road when she was a little girl. Seeing how she acts now, I would guess she got away with everything when she was small. You can not raise a child to think all that they do is right and then expect them to understand right form wrong when they are adults, or what ever she is. It has to start when they are young. IMO, casey never had to "hit the wall." Be responsible for what she did that was wrong. And yes, we all do wrong when we are young, none of us are/were perfect. The big problem is, when we are young the wall we hit where we have to take responsibility for the worng things we do and not so bad. Yes, it hurts a bit to admit you are wrong but young kids, when the correction is done in love, get over that really quick. Now, if we wait until they are adults, the walls get harder and hurt more. casey has hit a wall that her parents can not help her with. She will pay the consequences for what she has done. And it is going to hurt really bad.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh my gosh, no no no..:eek: It's just that what you say makes so much sense and then I go and wonder, well have they based their statement on fact or assumption and then I realize we don't really know if the facts are true or just Anthonyspeak.

Gator

I knew what you meant. :tongue:

To paraphrase Winston Churchill: the Anthonys are a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key.

Except there is no damned key!!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

When Gator met Cindy: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil22.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

When Gator watches Liar Video: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused009.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

When the Liar meets her fate: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-devil19.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

LOL - glad you changed that last one - I went off looking for something a bit more appropriate. :tongue:

[Mojo]

well, look on the bright side. That's one less deer that will need to buy carbon offsets.

roflmao!!
:d

[Gatordog]

Sherlock and Watson Detectives: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt003.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Next time Gator meets Cindy: http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-taunt015.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

Gator

[javahog]

I love the woods. My oldest son is 10. He has a friend whos back yard is nothing but woods. My son always has the best time when he goes there to play. Tree houses and rope swings, catching toads and bulding forts. The only thing I hate about it is ticks. Ewww I hate ticks. Now when they get to be teenagers I could see bad things coming from it. Drinking etc.. because the kids dad tends to drink a lot that's why I won't let my son spend the night there and he may not go there if the boys mom isn't present.

*sigh*, yeah, its not the woods fault...There used to be these little bridges over a canal when I was little, and the teenagers used to hide under them to do who knows what...there's always a place in every neighborhood, I guess...

[Mojo]

Well, look on the bright side. That's one less deer that will need to buy carbon offsets.

ROFLMAO!!
:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Way Way tooooo funny-how do you do that??? So many comp. saavy people here. :hat:

Here's one of the free smiley sites I use beem - all you do is click on the smiley you want and then copy and paste the Forum BB code here in your post....
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http://www.mysmiley.net/

[applesandorange]

Or the best idea, IMO, would have been to start the different "parenting" when she was small. IMO this person, casey, started down this road when she was a little girl. Seeing how she acts now, I would guess she got away with everything when she was small. You can not raise a child to think all that they do is right and then expect them to understand right form wrong when they are adults, or what ever she is. It has to start when they are young. IMO, casey never had to "hit the wall." Be responsible for what she did that was wrong. And yes, we all do wrong when we are young, none of us are/were perfect. The big problem is, when we are young the wall we hit where we have to take responsibility for the worng things we do and not so bad. Yes, it hurts a bit to admit you are wrong but young kids, when the correction is done in love, get over that really quick. Now, if we wait until they are adults, the walls get harder and hurt more. casey has hit a wall that her parents can not help her with. She will pay the consequences for what she has done. And it is going to hurt really bad.


Yes I agree. Discipline has to start early. Children need to be held accountable for their wrong doings. They need to know it's okay to make a mistake but they also need to know that they need to take responsibility for their own actions. I keep telling my 4 year old that he has control over himself. For quite a while he would do something naughty and when I would question him about it he would say " I can't help it, my brain made me do it" I am trying to teach him that he has control over his actions and when his "brain" tells him to do something naughty he should change it and do something nice. I think it's working because the one day he got angry with me and raised his hand like he was going to hit me and then all of a sudden gave me a kiss. He even said "my brain told me to hit you but I did something nice instead". I rewarded him for that. He knows to even raise his hand to me is a big no no but he controlled himself in the end. Raising children is the most diffifcult job anyone is ever faced with. It is also the most rewarding. Too bad it seems that Cindy and Casey both will never reap their rewards.

[Gatordog]

Way Way tooooo funny-how do you do that??? So many comp. saavy people here. :hat:

http://www.freesmileys.org/

Just pick a smiley, copy the forum Code and paste into your text. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-cool05.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[Mojo]

The shadow for Libra is "In-decision" Don't take Libra to the Ice Cream Palor that advertises 101 flavors! :-) They are the "Fence Sitters of the Zodiac.

:biggrin:

Got time for another one, please? I'm an Aquarius.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's one of the free smiley sites I use beem - all you do is click on the smiley you want and then copy and paste the Forum BB code here in your post....
http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animals/animal0019.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-confused-smileys.php) LOL I think this dog is on crack! http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0009.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-ashamed-smileys.php)

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Flove that place!

Shoving The Liar off a cliff is too kind!

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[One2Snoop]

The psychic is back... :rolleyes:

Psychic found spot of Anthony remains months before
Last Edited: Monday, 05 Jan 2009, 7:48 PM EST
Created: Monday, 05 Jan 2009, 7:37 PM EST

By Holly Bristow
FOX 35 NEWS


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- We told you how the man who found Caylee's remains called 911 months ago saying there was a bag in the woods. Starting on August 11th, meter reader Roy Kronk called police three times.



It turns out he wasn't the only one who had a feeling Caylee's remains were there.

The story of the meter reader who found the remains of Caylee Anthony in some woods near the Anthony home is well documented. That same meter reader, Roy Kronk, also called investigators several months prior to the discovery saying he had found something suspicious.

Now a group has come forward with startling evidence that may have pointed to something at the same spot several months prior.

Psychic Gale St. John, who has the show called ‘The Body Hunter’, was drawn to the same area on the same day and has the video to prove it. A video taken by St. John's daughter on the first day their search team "The Body Hunters" began looking for Caylee Marie Anthony seems to show that St. John felt their was something odd about the location.

St. John said she was riding with her apprentice, her daughter, a searcher and two cadaver dogs doing what they call a blind drive. They started at the Anthony’s home just around the corner from the site.

"We just start fresh from the scene,” said St. John. “And just drive to a location we feel the person is in.”

In this case it didn't take St. John long. The video shows St. John taking a right on Suburban Drive, where there is now a make shift memorial.

"Alright, I've got to pull over,” she can be heard saying on the video. “Guys I'm immediately pulled here.” St. John is saying those words as she's driving up to the exact area where Caylee's remains were eventually found.
VIDEO: Psychic found spot of Anthony remains months before St. John says the feeling she got that day was overwhelming,

"You get very sick to your stomach,” she said. “You feel as though you've been punched in the stomach and something knocks the air out of you."

St. John let her searcher out of the car with one of their cadaver dogs. She then drove up the road to see if the feeling got stronger. It didn't so she turned back around and again in that same area.

"Something's not right here something's not right here," St. John told her daughter on the video that day.

St. John and her crew took a look around.

"The dogs showed very heavy interest back in that area," said St. John. But they didn't get far. "You can only go so far, and its water," said St. John on the video.

St. John could not get permission from the property owner to go into the woods where Caylee's remains would be found so she did not return.

Last month when St. John learned Caylee's remains were found in the same area it wasn’t really a shocker to her

"I honestly wasn't surprised at all,” she said. “My reaction was that's where we said that we felt something."

If you want to watch the unedited Gale St. John video we have a link for you. But a warning here is some profanity. http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8197199&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[deacon]

Yes I agree. Discipline has to start early. Children need to be held accountable for their wrong doings. They need to know it's okay to make a mistake but they also need to know that they need to take responsibility for their own actions. I keep telling my 4 year old that he has control over himself. For quite a while he would do something naughty and when I would question him about it he would say " I can't help it, my brain made me do it" I am trying to teach him that he has control over his actions and when his "brain" tells him to do something naughty he should change it and do something nice. I think it's working because the one day he got angry with me and raised his hand like he was going to hit me and then all of a sudden gave me a kiss. He even said "my brain told me to hit you but I did something nice instead". I rewarded him for that. He knows to even raise his hand to me is a big no no but he controlled himself in the end. Raising children is the most diffifcult job anyone is ever faced with. It is also the most rewarding. Too bad it seems that Cindy and Casey both will never reap their rewards.

My son is 24 and I don't think the job of raising them ever stops.

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony – Mothers Lawyer Jose Baez Stretches (The Imagination) In The Ninth Inning!
Posted on January 5th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture

Casey Anthony sits safely in jail, while this is cold comfort for people that really want to understand the actions of tot mom Casey Anthony, it is at least a move forward. From ‘person of interest’ Casey Anthony is now facing a ‘murder one’ rap.

It is still a bit of an anathema to me how a very junior, and very naïve lawyer Jose Baez became involved in the case. His background is less than stellar, and his legal ‘activities’ in this case have caused a good deal of grumpiness within the legal system. Hugging clients, and generally disregarding the rules laid down by the prison system have likely made Bozo Jose Baez few friends within the law enforcement world.

Generally the prosecution and defense camps have respect for each other. They are at different ends of the playing field, but professionalism keeps them friends. I have heard of stories of friendly bets, loser buys a meal and drinks. The bottom line here is that this is not personal, it is work. It is no different than me sparing with another reviewer. It has nothing to do with personal stuff, it is just about work!

Bozo Jose Baez seems to have forgotten these simple unwritten rules.

Mr. Bozo Baez has a new angle. A tip line for people that have photos and videos concerning the time line of little Caylee Anthony’s disappearance. I talked this over with my wife Jan, who has been following this case closely. It is my opinion that Bozo Jose Baez is out of his depth on this case. This latest excursion merely adds fire to the fuel. I will NOT publish the Bozo Jose Baez tip line number, but if you do have some tips, photos, videos, etc, please contact the adults running the show at 1-800-423-TIPS.

http://www.bloggernews.net/119297

[deacon]

The shadow of Aquarius is "THE TEASER" They can tease with nuclear weapons if they had a mind to.. LOL!! But don't feel bad, it's only the shadow side which most signs do not act out. Only the broken signs are shadow. Aquarius is the FRIEND. They invented the word. Nice people.

Virgo, if you will. Just curious.

[Mojo]

The shadow of Aquarius is "THE TEASER" They can tease with nuclear weapons if they had a mind to.. LOL!! But don't feel bad, it's only the shadow side which most signs do not act out. Only the broken signs are shadow. Aquarius is the FRIEND. They invented the word. Nice people.

Thanks, Danaher! :seeya:

[Justice Denied?]

Yes Yes Yes! Unfortunately, we know she's going to plead the 5th, no way will Baez let her talk. I hope Zenaida sues the S**t out of her, and it would be Real nice if she received monetary compensation, though very doubtful.

This stuff with Casey and Hoover..we knew there was not to be a press conference on that, now, didn't we? This part is a real iffy thing, because supposedly they Were told by Casey's friend to check the area. However, the timing is way off. Why then? The high waters in the swampy area could be used as an excuse for not doing it earlier. I'm sure his cell records will be checked, but the flip side is if there could have been inside info. Looks like a 50/50 kind of call. Even if his telecon shows a call to Casey's camp, what can be proved ...the conversation wasn't recorded. They did not, from what I gather, go into the woods to look for a bag. They were in the street filming, and we know animals scattered the contents, and probably dragged the bag, plus the water. So, it's all a bunch of BS, either way.

I'm so sorry to hear the sadness in many posts here. Many sad things have happened to us...the only consolation is that time heals, and we have many happy and good things coming our way this year, so remember things do get better. Hugs and Prayers to All>>>>>>>>>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i cannot prevent the birds of sorrow from passing over my head but i can keep them from building a nest in my hair.......

I think what will happen is that Casey will continue to state that her story is true but they just have the wrong Zenaida Gonzales. Any harm suffered by THIS Zenaida is NOT her fault. At least, that is the story I would tell if I were in her position.

[deputydi]

Ohh that is sooo true! Where do you want to go? Oh I don't mind, where do you want to go?:shrug:
I'm a Libra also and boy, that indecision thing is right on the money for me too.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think what will happen is that Casey will continue to state that her story is true but they just have the wrong Zenaida Gonzales. Any harm suffered by THIS Zenaida is NOT her fault. At least, that is the story I would tell if I were in her position.

Anyone else curious as to how this Zenaida Gonzales' guest card at the Sawgrass Apartments will play into this? (And has LE figured out how Casey may have seen the card?)

[tv]

The shadow of Aquarius is "THE TEASER" They can tease with nuclear weapons if they had a mind to.. LOL!! But don't feel bad, it's only the shadow side which most signs do not act out. Only the broken signs are shadow. Aquarius is the FRIEND. They invented the word. Nice people.

I'm an Aquarius too. Thanks, Danagher. :)

[tv]

Anyone else curious as to how this Zenaida Gonzales' guest card at the Sawgrass Apartments will play into this? (And has LE figured out how Casey may have seen the card?)
I'm VERY curious. Everytime they talk about it they stop short of explaining how she saw the guest card. It drives me crazy! :tongue:

[deputydi]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Woo Hoo! I did it and it wasn't even all that hard.

[SaraSidle]

I think that even when our feelings differ it doesn't matter; all of our feelings (at least) are valid and come from complete and total bewilderment.

that is about the truest statement I have heard in this case.!!!!!!!! Thank you for letting me feel nomral L. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-dance001.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
Woo Hoo! I did it and it wasn't even all that hard.

http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animated/anim_65.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[SaraSidle]

She probably could pass a lie detector test since she never tells the truth. lol In my opinion from listening to body language experts, the lack of eye contact, the raising of the eye brows, and possibly different tones in speech are some ways to tell if someone is lying. I have tested the eye brow raising on one of my kids, and it works every time. ;) I don't know about LDTs but don't they work on pulse and breathing rates? For someone that is so comfortable with not telling the truth and has no conscience, her pulse and respiration would probably not change. jmo

I so totally agree 100 % The best we could get would be inconclusive. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Anyone else curious as to how this Zenaida Gonzales' guest card at the Sawgrass Apartments will play into this? (And has LE figured out how Casey may have seen the card?)

I believe there were other friends of Casey's living in the same apartment complex. I do not know if that means anything. Hope someone talks to management there. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm VERY curious. Everytime they talk about it they stop short of explaining how she saw the guest card. It drives me crazy! :tongue:

I wonder if a) those cards are filled out and left in the apartment that was viewed, to be picked up later by the manager, and ZG's wasn't, then Casey actually found it in the apartment; or b) Casey has a connection to the manager and found the card in the office. Neither seems particularly likely, but I've wondered if Casey had access to that apartment while it was empty. Maybe she had stayed there when she had no where else to go. Maybe she had used it to leave Caylee after chloroforming her before.

that is about the truest statement I have heard in this case.!!!!!!!! Thank you for letting me feel nomral L. IMO

Good to see you posting in here again! Was worried while you were gone that you were sick, or had abandoned us for your career. Or had simply walked away because the murder is so effing heinous.

[SaraSidle]

I think what will happen is that Casey will continue to state that her story is true but they just have the wrong Zenaida Gonzales. Any harm suffered by THIS Zenaida is NOT her fault. At least, that is the story I would tell if I were in her position.

I agree also and it scares the heck out of me. IMO

[SaraSidle]

I wonder if a) those cards are filled out and left in the apartment that was viewed, to be picked up later by the manager, and ZG's wasn't, then Casey actually found it in the apartment; or b) Casey has a connection to the manager and found the card in the office. Neither seems particularly likely, but I've wondered if Casey had access to that apartment while it was empty. Maybe she had stayed there when she had no where else to go. Maybe she had used it to leave Caylee after chloroforming her before.



Good to see you posting in here again! Was worried while you were gone that you were sick, or had abandoned us for your career. Or had simply walked away because the murder is so effing heinous.

Dear L. the last does get very difficult from time to time but I know you understand. It was especially hard not having your support when my computer was down. hugs

[deputydi]

I wonder if a) those cards are filled out and left in the apartment that was viewed, to be picked up later by the manager, and ZG's wasn't, then Casey actually found it in the apartment; or b) Casey has a connection to the manager and found the card in the office. Neither seems particularly likely, but I've wondered if Casey had access to that apartment while it was empty. Maybe she had stayed there when she had no where else to go. Maybe she had used it to leave Caylee after chloroforming her before.<snip>
I don't know about the Sawgrass, but in some buildings, they have cards in the entry hall (usually on a table by the elevators). All you have to do is fill one out and drop it in the box. I would be interested to know what the routine at the Sawgrass is. Casey had a friend (I don't remember which one) who lived there and she hung around there a lot.

[mu8shark]

Caylee Anthony – Mothers Lawyer Jose Baez Stretches (The Imagination) In The Ninth Inning!
Posted on January 5th, 2009
by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture

Casey Anthony sits safely in jail, while this is cold comfort for people that really want to understand the actions of tot mom Casey Anthony, it is at least a move forward. From ‘person of interest’ Casey Anthony is now facing a ‘murder one’ rap.

It is still a bit of an anathema to me how a very junior, and very naïve lawyer Jose Baez became involved in the case. His background is less than stellar, and his legal ‘activities’ in this case have caused a good deal of grumpiness within the legal system. Hugging clients, and generally disregarding the rules laid down by the prison system have likely made Bozo Jose Baez few friends within the law enforcement world.

Generally the prosecution and defense camps have respect for each other. They are at different ends of the playing field, but professionalism keeps them friends. I have heard of stories of friendly bets, loser buys a meal and drinks. The bottom line here is that this is not personal, it is work. It is no different than me sparing with another reviewer. It has nothing to do with personal stuff, it is just about work!

Bozo Jose Baez seems to have forgotten these simple unwritten rules.

Mr. Bozo Baez has a new angle. A tip line for people that have photos and videos concerning the time line of little Caylee Anthony’s disappearance. I talked this over with my wife Jan, who has been following this case closely. It is my opinion that Bozo Jose Baez is out of his depth on this case. This latest excursion merely adds fire to the fuel. I will NOT publish the Bozo Jose Baez tip line number, but if you do have some tips, photos, videos, etc, please contact the adults running the show at 1-800-423-TIPS.

http://www.bloggernews.net/119297 Welll I'm back, two days of running this program and that and looking up how to do this and that to keep my comp from crashing. Something was eating my disk space and I am not sure what even yet but I did a temporary fix to free up space, so I'm back like bad weather! LOL. I agree that Baez is out of his element. So far two judges have told him that he did not file or do the proper legal procedure. Also on this tip line is he offering cash? If he is , I find this kind of shady as somebody could lie for money. My cousin and I talked three hours on the phone the other night and we theorized a few things. She thinks that Cindy knew a while back there was no job and no nanny. There is some evidence for this because Cindy does say in one of her interviews she has known there was no nanny for about a year or she does not think there was one for at least a year. . My cousin and this is just her theory, thinks that maybe Cindy knew that Casey no longer worked for Universal and there was no nanny and was keeping it from George. Sometimes you know how that is, one parent is just chit full of the child and wants to kick her out and the other parent kind of enables and covers for the child until they also can't take it. The other thing we discussed is the argument that we believe kind of set the actual crime in motion. We both believe she had been bandying this idea of getting rid of Caylee around since at least March. But the argument probably was over her having no job and stealing. And Cindy probably had come back from Mt Dora where apparently the stealing of money from grandparents was an issue. Casey probably wanted to still go to Puerto Rico and maybe ask Cindy when she got back from Mt Dora if she would watch Caylee while Casey went to Puerto Rico. We were thinking that this must have made Cindy explode at her. Can you imagine her asking this little favor, no job, and having ripped off her grandparents and Cindy under pressure to do something?, Also I wonder if Cindy then told Casey what the counselor had suggested that she kick her out and get custody of Caylee. If I were in Casey's shoes with her personality and the way she uses people, I would be like "Oh there goes the gravy train! If I get kicked out and somehow she gets Caylee , I will never see another dime of money nor have a roof over my head. There goes the good, lazy life " And I think the anger over Cindy not watching Caylee so she could go to Puerto Rico and being threatened sent her spiteful self into action. Obviously all of this is conjecture and we talked about tons more about the case, like every little detail if you can imagine , LOL, talking on the phone that long!

[mu8shark]

I'm VERY curious. Everytime they talk about it they stop short of explaining how she saw the guest card. It drives me crazy! :tongue: To me this is one of the biggest mysteries. I wonder if maybe she was there on the same day Zenaida was and was in the office and nobody really paid enough attention to Casey to id her. Could they have laid the card on the table and while showing the apartment the office was empty and Casey thought, hmm. I could be wrong but I think I heard that Apartment 209 or 208 was Casey's friends apartment and 210 was the one Zenaida looked at. I may be totally wrong. But this is a big mystery to me. I know it has an explanation.

[mu8shark]

Agree about Baez most likely wanting Casey to invoke her fifth amendment rights, but won't that more or less screw up the Anthonys' countersuit against Zenaida? She can't keep her mouth shut to protect herself in the original suit, then turn around and offer condemning statements in the countersuit. Can she?
I've been assuming that Sherlock and Watson were supposedly checking out Kiomarie's tip that Caylee might be in The Zone. D Casey certainly had time while he was on Baez's payroll before Hurricane Fay floods to check that area out. For some reason he waited until his contract with Baez was up, and he and Hoover were both working for the Ants. (Unless either/both of them searched at times that they weren't caught.) Like lots of folks, I find it very interesting that he was in the near vicinity of where Caylee was actually found while the assumption was that the Anthonys were searching for a live Caylee and he supposedly had others under surveillance. If she takes the fifth she might as well call off her counter suit, you are right!

[One2Snoop]

:eek: SICK! Someone is trying to sell pics of Caylee's remains. Just heard that on NG. Did I hear that right? :confused:

[javahog]

The OC pros fears that photos of the remains will be sold, and won;t hand them over to Baez until the court forbids this! Per Nancy Grace now...:flamemad:

[mu8shark]

I still say it's fishy. Something is not right here. there is just too much coincidence. That doesn't happen in real life. I find it very fishy that these two PI's went to just this one area and filmed it. The Kiomarie tip was really a low level tip. She never said Oh Casey said once if she killed someone she would drop the body there, or Casey hinted to me that she put Caylee there or I overheard her saying such and such about putting a body there. If I remember right LE ask her friends about where they thought the body could be and Kiomarie just tossed this out. It was a low level tip not anything close to certain or highly suspicious. So why out of all the areas to search with all the pings did the PI's go only here and film? They were tipped off by someone in my opinion , it was not just the Kiomaire saying maybe she would put it there. Remember how much the pings were stressed publicly! They never even filmed there. Just that one spot! I think after the body was found there it is easy to say Oh they should of drained that spot and really scrutinzed it but that is hindsight.

[Justice Denied?]

I wonder if a) those cards are filled out and left in the apartment that was viewed, to be picked up later by the manager, and ZG's wasn't, then Casey actually found it in the apartment; or b) Casey has a connection to the manager and found the card in the office. Neither seems particularly likely, but I've wondered if Casey had access to that apartment while it was empty. Maybe she had stayed there when she had no where else to go. Maybe she had used it to leave Caylee after chloroforming her before.



Good to see you posting in here again! Was worried while you were gone that you were sick, or had abandoned us for your career. Or had simply walked away because the murder is so effing heinous.

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This is something that has always bothered me. Apparantly Casey had talked about Zani for some time. How did Casey happen to pick the exact name of the person who looked at that particular apartment? This is just one more coincidence in this case that makes no sense.

[javahog]

Hmmn, I wonder if that is how Baez is planning on paying the "Dream Team"?

[One2Snoop]

Hmmn, I wonder if that is how Baez is planning on paying the "Dream Team"?

It's sick if that's what his plan is. :no:

[lorettalockhorn]

:eek: SICK! Someone is trying to sell pics of Caylee's remains. Just heard that on NG. Did I hear that right? :confused:

Got a late start, but just heard. :cuss:

Can the judge put a stop to the sale?

When will this little child be laid to rest?

Two of Nancy Grace's BEST EVAH questions!

And I guess The Liar has permission to watch the funeral/memorial service on TV.

[deputydi]

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Heah, I can do it too!!!!

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This is something that has always bothered me. Apparantly Casey had talked about Zani for some time. How did Casey happen to pick the exact name of the person who looked at that particular apartment? This is just one more coincidence in this case that makes no sense.
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I can't remember when she gave the babysitter a name. Was she using Zenaida's name before all this started or was it after she was backed into a corner? No one has met this invisible nanny, no one has talked with her, and no one knows where she lives (apparently not even Casey). You're right -- this case is full of mysteries. I hope most of them are answered at trial.

[lorettalockhorn]

I find it very fishy that these two PI's went to just this one area and filmed it. The Kiomarie tip was really a low level tip. She never said Oh Casey said once if she killed someone she would drop the body there, or Casey hinted to me that she put Caylee there or I overheard her saying such and such about putting a body there. If I remember right LE ask her friends about where they thought the body could be and Kiomarie just tossed this out. It was a low level tip not anything close to certain or highly suspicious. So why out of all the areas to search with all the pings did the PI's go only here and film? They were tipped off by someone in my opinion , it was not just the Kiomaire saying maybe she would put it there. Remember how much the pings were stressed publicly! They never even filmed there. Just that one spot! I think after the body was found there it is easy to say Oh they should of drained that spot and really scrutinzed it but that is hindsight.

I'm with you, kid. Glad to have you back! :beer:

[deputydi]

Got a late start, but just heard. :cuss:

Can the judge put a stop to the sale?

When will this little child be laid to rest?

Two of Nancy Grace's BEST EVAH questions!

And I guess The Liar has permission to watch the funeral/memorial service on TV.
Is the funeral really going to be televised or will they set up a closed circuit monitor for Casey?

[lorettalockhorn]

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This is something that has always bothered me. Apparantly Casey had talked about Zani for some time. How did Casey happen to pick the exact name of the person who looked at that particular apartment? This is just one more coincidence in this case that makes no sense.

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[lorettalockhorn]

Is the funeral really going to be televised or will they set up a closed circuit monitor for Casey?

I think when the media is talking about Casey watching the funeral, they are talking about the public memorial service that Cindy had mentioned a while back. Supposedly the funeral (proper) will be private.

[javahog]

but they could just take photos on their own autopsy, so why bother blocking it? As long as the next of kin (it is still casey?) says they can sell it, they can, right? or can she not authorize it, since if convicted she would be profiting from a crime (florida has that law?)

[SaraSidle]

Okay this makes no sense to me unless somebody had just dumped that body or she was moved. Because why would it help if the body was found on Aug 11, 12 or 13 even if Casey was in jail. It is not like police are going to say Oh my since we found on the 11th it must mean it was dumped just yesterday and Casey was in jail. If that body had been there, LE would still not assume it was left after Casey was in jail, only that they had not found it for a while. I don't get this theory at all as to why it would be so helpful to be found on those dates. Does this make sense what I am saying or asking ??

mu the only think of the dna evidence that would be there if Caylee had been found earlier. IMO

[deputydi]

but they could just take photos on their own autopsy, so why bother blocking it? As long as the next of kin (it is still casey?) says they can sell it, they can, right? or can she not authorize it, since if convicted she would be profiting from a crime (florida has that law?)
The Judge can order the photos sealed. Casey is still the next of kin but even she wouldn't dare authorize the sale ---------- would she?

[javahog]

Is the funeral really going to be televised or will they set up a closed circuit monitor for Casey?

I heard the funeral is going to be private, the memorial televised.

But if they set up a closed circuit tv for her, if I were Gator I would ask for my tax money back!

[mu8shark]

mu the only think of the dna evidence that would be there if Caylee had been found earlier. IMO Yeah it sure would be a much better scenario for the prosecution. Maybe even a cause of death.

[javahog]

The Judge can order the photos sealed. Casey is still the next of kin but even she wouldn't dare authorize the sale ---------- would she?

The Great Kreskin says........yes. No one left to steal from, might as well steal any dignity Caylee has...

[lorettalockhorn]

mu the only think of the dna evidence that would be there if Caylee had been found earlier. IMO

Not just DNA evidence from the perp (presumably), but maybe enough of Caylee's remains to determine a cause of death.

OT: This Gale St. John stuff is old news. Wonder why it is resurfacing?

Sorry, mu8, didn't see your post. Then again, I'm the Head of the Department of Redundancy Department.

[mu8shark]

Okay more theory from my cousin and I chatting. The sheriff said that there was something at the crime scene that led them in the first hour to the Anthony house. And I know people on here theorized that it could be the duct tape or the trash bags, but what if it is something a bit more specific or something that would right away lead them there, like linen, like a pillow case or sheet.? As obvious as it sounds people do wrap loved ones in stuff like that when they kill them. What if LE is sitting on that little gem? Also I can't help but think about Cindy suggesting that Zanny had a key. Did Cindy know something was missing from the house in the way of bed linens? And wonder where it was? If Cindy or George did not reveal this in the interviews they might be afraid they will be in trouble, ie obstruction of justice and maybe that among other things is the reason they are asking for immunity. I am just saying it sounds like they saw something right away that could be linked to the house and we know it was not their duct tape according to reports. It would be great if they found some kind of bedding. Just a thought.

[Justice Denied?]

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I can't remember when she gave the babysitter a name. Was she using Zenaida's name before all this started or was it after she was backed into a corner? No one has met this invisible nanny, no one has talked with her, and no one knows where she lives (apparently not even Casey). You're right -- this case is full of mysteries. I hope most of them are answered at trial.

Me, too. But they probably wont be. You know Baez, if he has a brain, won't let one word of her madeup story come out in court.

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How about this one?:D:biggrin:

[One2Snoop]

Okay more theory from my cousin and I chatting. The sheriff said that there was something at the crime scene that led them in the first hour to the Anthony house. And I know people on here theorized that it could be the duct tape or the trash bags, but what if it is something a bit more specific or something that would right away lead them there, like linen, like a pillow case or sheet.? As obvious as it sounds people do wrap loved ones in stuff like that when they kill them. What if LE is sitting on that little gem? Also I can't help but think about Cindy suggesting that Zanny had a key. Did Cindy know something was missing from the house in the way of bed linens? And wonder where it was? If Cindy or George did not reveal this in the interviews they might be afraid they will be in trouble, ie obstruction of justice and maybe that among other things is the reason they are asking for immunity. I am just saying it sounds like they saw something right away that could be linked to the house and we know it was not their duct tape according to reports. It would be great if they found some kind of bedding. Just a thought.

Just going on memory here but I think it did have something to do with a pillow or sheets. I'll see if I can find the info.

ETA: Someone else mentioned Casey possibly took the top sheet off Caylee's bed and made the bed. Cindy never would've known unless she remade the bed. :shrug:

[Gatordog]

I went to the burial site after work. I made the turn off of Chickasaw and it is about 1/15 of a mile from Chickasaw to Hopespring. From chickasaw to the first memorial is about 1/10th of a mile. Chickasaw to the burial site is about 1/8 of a mile. Chickasaw to the end of Suburban is is between .35 and .4 of a mile. The zone is about 2/10ths of a mile past the burial site. The school grounds started at about .3 of a mile from Chickasaw.

The memorial that is by the burial site is very large and beautiful. I will go and take a picture to show you. The end of surburban is a dead end so I turned around and when I passed the memorial there were two cars stopped there.

I had an idea as I looked at the site. It's barren of any plant life except for a few standing palmettos without any palm fronds. I have a packet of sunflower seeds for flower growth at my desk that someone had given me.. I'm going to toss those seeds at the site and, God willing, sunflowers will grow this spring where Caylee was left.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Forensics people removed a pillow from the Anthony home that had little polka dots on it. It was probably a sham. Evidently this is the same fabric from the comforter on Caylee's bed. I think something from the comforter set was used to wrap her in - or maybe the matching sheet to the set.

I read that it was a small pillow that was taken from the house, so I figured a throw pillow or decorative pillow of some sort, rather than a bed pillow. Not that it may matter.

Bump.... Posted Dec. 15th

[SaraSidle]

you know I have to say having my computer broke for 2 months was very difficult since I have followed it from the first day. I watched NG as much as possible but coming back here to this thread and playing catchup has been so helpful. this is an awesome thread with lots of information and all of you are trying so hard to figure this mess out. It makes me so proud to be posting with you and how well you get along. I bet this is one of the best threads on the boards. thank you for everything. Sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Just going on memory here but I think it did have something to do with a pillow or sheets. I'll see if I can find the info.

Yeah, I think it was stated that Caylee was wrapped in something, but don't know if it was ever specified exactly what. Seems like when TES was searching way back when, they were looking for a rug. At any rate, after the final warrant was served, I've read that Caylee's room was pretty much stripped bare.

[Gatordog]

:eek: If you watched NG tonight, the psychic is at the correct area where Caylee was left.

[javahog]

Okay more theory from my cousin and I chatting. The sheriff said that there was something at the crime scene that led them in the first hour to the Anthony house. And I know people on here theorized that it could be the duct tape or the trash bags, but what if it is something a bit more specific or something that would right away lead them there, like linen, like a pillow case or sheet.? As obvious as it sounds people do wrap loved ones in stuff like that when they kill them. What if LE is sitting on that little gem? Also I can't help but think about Cindy suggesting that Zanny had a key. Did Cindy know something was missing from the house in the way of bed linens? And wonder where it was? If Cindy or George did not reveal this in the interviews they might be afraid they will be in trouble, ie obstruction of justice and maybe that among other things is the reason they are asking for immunity. I am just saying it sounds like they saw something right away that could be linked to the house and we know it was not their duct tape according to reports. It would be great if they found some kind of bedding. Just a thought.

We are so on the same page on that! I think that is what the immunity is about, Cindy knew something was missing, my money's on bedding and something real visible, like a Pooh sheet, but decided to accept that Zanny had a key and took it. ANYTHING to keep the LE looking for a living Caylee, I think, nothing that might lead them to a "dead" Caylee... I hate to use the tv show House as an example, but...if there are two diseases that are possible, and one is treatable, the other is fatal, the doctor just has them test for the treatable one, since the other option is irrelevant.

Does anyone know if Casey has signed the body over to the Anthony's? What if she does not, what then?

[deputydi]

Me, too. But they probably wont be. You know Baez, if he has a brain, won't let one word of her madeup story come out in court.

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How about this one?:D:biggrin:
I don't see how he can possibly keep her stories out of court. She told too many people these cockamamie stories and we're going to hear it from her statements to LE, her parents, her friends. I think the dumbest thing Baez could do is let her testify -- although I would love to see that happen. What a show that would be!

[Gatordog]

Oh gawd she soooo would. Can she???? please tell me there is something on the books??? has anyone heard of this?? I remember the cheezy rags having photos of people laid to rest but i dont recall photos of remains??? Anyone??

Did one of the tabloid get hold of the coroner pictures of JonBenet Ramsey?