Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[STLcardfan]

I like the way you think stl, so glad you remembered your username!
Hey I was just thinking if Lee has moved out of his house and they are saying it was only a rental then I am bamboozled as to why at one point he was saying his parents were so tight for cash thathe mght have to buy them a house? You would think he could afford his own if he could afford to get them one hey. And didn't his car get repo'd a while back. Sounds like he was trying to make himself sound better of han he is. I guess that is no crime but I am curious as to why he has moved and what Melanie is doing now?

Lee is as full of chit as Casey. There is no doubt in my mind he plays a hugh role in the cover up and maybe even the murder.

[One2Snoop]

It makes sense as you lay it out...however, also thinking out loud...I have a 3 year old and he has the exact same sandbox (:(). It is big enough (again, :(). But...what comes to mind is CA's comment that LE hadn't even found Caylees clothes yet. I wonder if some clothes with decomp were soaked or temporarily stored in the backyard, maybe in the sandbox? Casey kept telling people that Caylee was at the beach with Zenaida during that month. I wonder if she wasn't redressed in the bathing suit to try and make it look like Z in a another stupid attempt...

I lean toward the nasty piece accidentally killing her with Chloroform, but I sure hope people don't think I am defending her in any way. Giving a baby homemade chloroform is as bad as premeditated murder, imo...and post mortem actions are indefensible. Baffling.

all imos and moos.

I know we're all just guessing as to what happened to Caylee, I sure as heck wish Casey would just spill her guts and tell the truth for once - I know - wishful thinking on my part.

[lighthousedazy]

Lee is as full of chit as Casey. There is no doubt in my mind he plays a hugh role in the cover up and maybe even the murder.
I agree. Why was he out there having a hissey fit at the memorial toys that some had left on the lawn? JERK... jmo

[STLcardfan]

can someone tell me when did george and cindy seperate and when did they get back together? I wonder if cindy gave him the boot when learning casey was preggers.

[STLcardfan]

I agree. Why was he out there having a hissey fit at the memorial toys that some had left on the lawn? JERK... jmo

no body in this family has had normal reactions to any of this except with the 911 call cindy made the day she learned Caylee was gone. They are just not right:shrug:

[mu8shark]

She knew the trunk would be lethal if not because of lack of air circulation but because of the heat. All children here in Florida are taught the dangers of hiding in a closed car or trunk so CA had to know the danger. The Liar had to know that but chose not to care. Well to be honest with you since the comp searches I find it really really hard to believe it was an accident. I do. Death by inhalation? Neck breaking? The nanny episode? I think I would be one of those jurors bucking for premed

[mu8shark]

I have always thought from day one that LP did not just come out of no where. I think he has been working with the FBI since day one. Sure he wanted his 15 mins. at first but he is still there. Now the Feds use many different sorts of people as informants. LP said in the begining that as soon as he got CA out of jail he would get the info to find Caylee. Except Liar didn't care for his questions and gave him the boot. I think he has been working for the FBI and drops his tibits as instructed. Often the informants don't have to testify to protect their idenity which would explain why he isn't on the witness list. The LE in this case I think have been on their toes and it would not surprise me a bit if he was a CI for them. Thats why they charged her with smaller crimes in comes LP gets her out in order to get info. she gives him the boot and they charge her with more to send her back to jail and LP gets the FBI's money back. Just a thought Okay I am with you on this part of the way. I don't think they called him and said come pretend to bail her out and staged the whole thing. I think after Casey refused to help and made him look bad and lied to him and they got the info on the trunk back, I think he went to the FBI and told everything he knew and kind of volunteered to keep his ears open.

[Grave Chaser]

As for the internet googling......

We all know what a phone/text addict CA is (was... hahahaha), so could LE look back at the date(s) the searches were done and compare it to phone/text messages to/from CA (or the rest of the family/friends) to proove who WAS in the Ant's house when the searches were made? Also, what else was searched at the same time.... such as between kneck breaking and chloroform, whomever (CA) was checking up on her One Tree Hill or O.C. addiction (for those that don't know, those are 'young people' shows IMOO, of course... kinda like 90210 and Melrose was my addiction when I was 18+) What I'm getting at is, you can kinda judge a search by the user. Like G might be looking up car maintenace and Cindy looking up mothering tips (my sarcasam is oozing as I type) between missing children sites. Can a search like that really be done or has all the dramatizing on CSI, Law & Order, etc gotten me to think anything is possible?

I tend to babble when I'm tired but can't sleep. Flog me if you wish.

O/T.... are you in MO STLCardsfan? If so, what part? I've been living in SWMO for 5 years... so, howdy neighbor :seeya:

[sharlock]

can someone tell me when did george and cindy seperate and when did they get back together? I wonder if cindy gave him the boot when learning casey was preggers.
In december of 2005(the month casey conceived) george anthony filed for divorce from cindy and the decided to stay together november 2007. I cannot find my other post on this but iirc he said he was having trouble dealing with the fact Casey was going to be a single mum and other issues between him and Cindy due to him racking up a big debt. That was from him being suckered into a racquet by email (where they tell you a relly left a huge sum in will for you in Africa or Ethiopia) he toldCindy at the time he did it gambling because he was too embarassed to admit he had been conned. He said that both Casey and Lee were angry with him for a while for losing all of that money . I will try to find my post though because it had more details in it.

[One2Snoop]

can someone tell me when did george and cindy seperate and when did they get back together? I wonder if cindy gave him the boot when learning casey was preggers.


George Anthony filed for divorce on 12/29/05 just a few months after Caylee was born. This was ultimately dismissed after a Case Management Meeting on 11/26/07.

[lighthousedazy]

Well to be honest with you since the comp searches I find it really really hard to believe it was an accident. I do. Death by inhalation? Neck breaking? The nanny episode? I think I would be one of those jurors bucking for premedI agree with you. It was not an accident. When I was a young mother with 3 children, I would not have understood how a mother could have murdered her child, BUT after hearing about the Anjette Lyles case in Macon, Ga. who over a period of time poisoned her entire family when I was young, and the Teresa Fargeson case also in Macon, Ga. killing her beautiful little Taylor, 6 yrs old, the same age as my baby boy, because she thought her new boyfriend didn't want kids, and the Susan Smith case drowning her babies in SC. At age 57, FD I can understand how you could think this was accidental, but the reality tells me it is not. jmo :(

[sharlock]

George Anthony: ‘There is a hole in my heart'

Last Edited: Saturday, 03 Jan 2009, 12:36 AM EST
Created: Friday, 02 Jan 2009, 11:58 PM EST

George Anthony taped interview conducted at the Orange County Sheriff's Office on July 24, 2008. SideBar


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By Holly Bristow
FOX 35 NEWS


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The Anthony family has made it clear that they will do any on camera interviews until after Caylee Marie is laid to rest.



The toddler was missing from June of last year until December when her remains were found near the East Orange County home where she lived with her grandparents George and Cindy and her mother Casey who is in jail charged with her murder.

Friday George Anthony spoke off camera with FOX 35 about a few things he said we could share.


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VIDEO: George Anthony speaks out
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Anthony said he can't drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.

Anthony said he is doing all right, at least as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

Lee, the Anthony’s son and brother to Casey, has moved back home to be with his parents.

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.

Does Anthony think the family will find any closure once they are able to have a funeral service for their granddaughter?

"There is a hole in my heart big enough for a truck to drive through,” Anthony said. “I don't think I'll ever have closure. At this point I'm just hoping to someday be able to accept that Caylee is gone."

Anthony also said he misses his daughter Casey as well. He would like be able to visit Casey in jail, even if it’s just to say hello and hear her voice and see how she is doing.

[mu8shark]

Good catch Sharlock the meter reader according to LP was about 600 yards off and the video he saw , he says according to Rob Dick who has more precise measurements is 200 to 300 yards off according to the NG transcript. Thanks for the info!

[One2Snoop]

In december of 2005(the month casey conceived) george anthony filed for divorce from cindy and the decided to stay together november 2007. I cannot find my other post on this but iirc he said he was having trouble dealing with the fact Casey was going to be a single mum and other issues between him and Cindy due to him racking up a big debt. That was from him being suckered into a racquet by email (where they tell you a relly left a huge sum in will for you in Africa or Ethiopia) he toldCindy at the time he did it gambling because he was too embarassed to admit he had been conned. He said that both Casey and Lee were angry with him for a while for losing all of that money . I will try to find my post though because it had more details in it.

George Anthony admits losing money to email scam
11:52 a.m.
During an interview with the FBI earlier this summer, George Anthony admitted that he'd lost the family's money in an e-mail scam - something he hadn't divulged to his wife.

He told an agent he received an email that said there was $2.2 million in a foreign bank account waiting for him.

""I got involved in that..I should have known better. It was stupid," he said. "I got scammed."

Anthony was unemployed at the time, after suffering a knee injury and thought the money in the e-mail was the real deal.

"I did lie to my wife about that," Anthony said, adding that he maxed out their Mastercard and blamed it on gambling.


It's unknown how much money he lost or if it was ever recovered.

Orlando Sentinel
Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony released
Amy L. Edwards, Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy
Sentinel Staff Writers
November 21, 2008 07:05 PM

[mu8shark]

As for the internet googling......

We all know what a phone/text addict CA is (was... hahahaha), so could LE look back at the date(s) the searches were done and compare it to phone/text messages to/from CA (or the rest of the family/friends) to proove who WAS in the Ant's house when the searches were made? Also, what else was searched at the same time.... such as between kneck breaking and chloroform, whomever (CA) was checking up on her One Tree Hill or O.C. addiction (for those that don't know, those are 'young people' shows IMOO, of course... kinda like 90210 and Melrose was my addiction when I was 18+) What I'm getting at is, you can kinda judge a search by the user. Like G might be looking up car maintenace and Cindy looking up mothering tips (my sarcasam is oozing as I type) between missing children sites. Can a search like that really be done or has all the dramatizing on CSI, Law & Order, etc gotten me to think anything is possible?

I tend to babble when I'm tired but can't sleep. Flog me if you wish.

O/T.... are you in MO STLCardsfan? If so, what part? I've been living in SWMO for 5 years... so, howdy neighbor :seeya: Not only could you maybe look at other goggling but lets say I goggle something and then I go in and read my email and write someone back with info between myself and another party. IF those kinds of things are lumped together time wise, it would make sense that one person was using comp as usually happens that way in say a half hour period. Also the good thing is in order to be admitted as evidence the police do not have to prove they were tied to Casey at all. In the Scott Peterson trial there was a search on the tides of the SF Bay and they could not say with certainty he did it. They presented it and let the jury decide what weight to give that search. So the comp search unless there was an improper evidence seizure is coming in. And I am sure they got a search warrant.

[STLcardfan]

As for the internet googling......

We all know what a phone/text addict CA is (was... hahahaha), so could LE look back at the date(s) the searches were done and compare it to phone/text messages to/from CA (or the rest of the family/friends) to proove who WAS in the Ant's house when the searches were made? Also, what else was searched at the same time.... such as between kneck breaking and chloroform, whomever (CA) was checking up on her One Tree Hill or O.C. addiction (for those that don't know, those are 'young people' shows IMOO, of course... kinda like 90210 and Melrose was my addiction when I was 18+) What I'm getting at is, you can kinda judge a search by the user. Like G might be looking up car maintenace and Cindy looking up mothering tips (my sarcasam is oozing as I type) between missing children sites. Can a search like that really be done or has all the dramatizing on CSI, Law & Order, etc gotten me to think anything is possible?

I tend to babble when I'm tired but can't sleep. Flog me if you wish.

O/T.... are you in MO STLCardsfan? If so, what part? I've been living in SWMO for 5 years... so, howdy neighbor :seeya:

I am in st lou. and yes that can track every keystroke of your pc

[One2Snoop]

As for the internet googling......

We all know what a phone/text addict CA is (was... hahahaha), so could LE look back at the date(s) the searches were done and compare it to phone/text messages to/from CA (or the rest of the family/friends) to proove who WAS in the Ant's house when the searches were made? Also, what else was searched at the same time.... such as between kneck breaking and chloroform, whomever (CA) was checking up on her One Tree Hill or O.C. addiction (for those that don't know, those are 'young people' shows IMOO, of course... kinda like 90210 and Melrose was my addiction when I was 18+) What I'm getting at is, you can kinda judge a search by the user. Like G might be looking up car maintenace and Cindy looking up mothering tips (my sarcasam is oozing as I type) between missing children sites. Can a search like that really be done or has all the dramatizing on CSI, Law & Order, etc gotten me to think anything is possible?

I tend to babble when I'm tired but can't sleep. Flog me if you wish.

O/T.... are you in MO STLCardsfan? If so, what part? I've been living in SWMO for 5 years... so, howdy neighbor :seeya:

They can tell for the most part who's done what, and when they did it on the computer - phone calls, cell calls etc all play a part of tracking this, no TV programs can negate this. They might run into problems if 3-4 family members are home at the same time using the same computer connection - although IIRC the searches were done under Casey's log in.
Forensics can tell the difference IMO.

I'm very familiar with SWMO, went to school at SW Missouri State in Springfield and grew up in KCMO. :seeya:

ETA I also went to UMKC before transferring to Springfield.

[Grave Chaser]

I am in st lou. and yes that can track every keystroke of your pc


Cool, just checkin STL... I've mets Cards fans from everywhere.

Every stroke, huh? Hmmmm.... good for LE, bad for me. Now if I get arrested/indicted, LE would know how much porn I look at! :biggrin:

Not only do I know little about cars, but the same can be said about my knowlege of computers/technology. Thanks!

[Grave Chaser]

They can tell for the most part who's done what, and when they did it on the computer - phone calls, cell calls etc all play a part of tracking this, no TV programs can negate this. They might run into problems if 3-4 family members are home at the same time using the same computer connection - although IIRC the searches were done under Casey's log in.
Forensics can tell the difference IMO.

I'm very familiar with SWMO, went to school at SW Missouri State in Springfield and grew up in KCMO. :seeya:


I live in a bedroom community nw of springfield, but work there. After 5 years, I haven't decided if I like this place or not. I guess that's why is called Misery instead of Missouri.

[One2Snoop]

Not only could you maybe look at other goggling but lets say I goggle something and then I go in and read my email and write someone back with info between myself and another party. IF those kinds of things are lumped together time wise, it would make sense that one person was using comp as usually happens that way in say a half hour period. Also the good thing is in order to be admitted as evidence the police do not have to prove they were tied to Casey at all. In the Scott Peterson trial there was a search on the tides of the SF Bay and they could not say with certainty he did it. They presented it and let the jury decide what weight to give that search. So the comp search unless there was an improper evidence seizure is coming in. And I am sure they got a search warrant.

That too! :beer: I know I said good night about an hour ago - :punch: so saying it again - night all. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

I live in a bedroom community nw of springfield, but work there. After 5 years, I haven't decided if I like this place or not. I guess that's why is called Misery instead of Missouri.

LOL I've always called it Misery because I hate the weather, summer humidity and winter snow/ice storms.

G'night Grave Chaser. :seeya:

[lighthousedazy]

That too! :beer: I know I said good night about an hour ago - :punch: so saying it again - night all. :seeya:
Good night One2. You are a great asset to this board. :)

[Grave Chaser]

LOL I've always called it Misery because I hate the weather, summer humidity and winter snow/ice storms.

G'night Grave Chaser. :seeya:


Gnight O2S..... oh and, be a pal. Don't EVER mention the 2 words ice and storm together in a sentance again! I'm superstitious. hahahahahaha!

[STLcardfan]

Cool, just checkin STL... I've mets Cards fans from everywhere.

Every stroke, huh? Hmmmm.... good for LE, bad for me. Now if I get arrested/indicted, LE would know how much porn I look at! :biggrin:

Not only do I know little about cars, but the same can be said about my knowlege of computers/technology. Thanks!



LMAO and never use email for anything you don't want traced not even a fake email account:chicken:

[STLcardfan]

LOL I've always called it Misery because I hate the weather, summer humidity and winter snow/ice storms.

G'night Grave Chaser. :seeya:


you are so right. hate august and Feb here. Ice a in feb and hot has hell in aug:beer:

[Grave Chaser]

you are so right. hate august and Feb here. Ice a in feb and hot has hell in aug:beer:

Amen to that! I don't even turn on my AC til that august humidity starts.... My neice was going into the military and if everything panned out, she would have been at boot camp in Ft. LWood in august. I told her to change her plans. She'd drown in her own sweat while doing PT. I had to explain to her what humidity was!

[One2Snoop]

you are so right. hate august and Feb here. Ice a in feb and hot has hell in aug:beer:

Amen to that! I don't even turn on my AC til that august humidity starts.... My neice was going into the military and if everything panned out, she would have been at boot camp in Ft. LWood in august. I told her to change her plans. She'd drown in her own sweat while doing PT. I had to explain to her what humidity was!

Dang y'all are making me look bad - I always turned the ac on in June because of the humidity. The tornadoes show up around April, May, June, July, August, September time frame correct? I remember snow, more snow, more snow and then ice storms - all in the winter - heck I remember being in KC over Christmas visiting family and the temp was 10 below - ice was everywhere. My nose froze together when I went from the car to the house.
Just met my family from KC in a warm climate over the holidays and they were thankful to leave the cold 2 degree's plus ice/snow.

Seriously now, :tongue: I'm saying goodnight :seeya:

[javahog]

Creepy... I've been thinking the same thing. Also, it's been stated before that CA has made refrences/allegations that she was abused by her father and Lee made a pass at her. Not that I'm excusing CA's behavior about killing Caylee, but if the allegations are true and that CA was George and Lee's personal **** puppy, it makes sense that she's jacked in the head (but who knows, maybe it was consentual? Maybe Cindy knew about the relationship(s) and was jealous of CA for taking her husband from her?). From the posts I've read, it seems that most people's opiniion of G is that he's a wuss, but think about it..... it's ALWAYS the quiet ones that we should have been worrying about.

Ok, I'm going to go shave me tongue for speaking/typing such gross theories.

Although LP likes to say there is "always" a kernel of truth in her every lie, I still gotta consider the source on this one. A real good tactic compulsive liars use is to make each group of their "victims" so heinous to the others that they don't talk and have a chance to compare notes, if you will. If you are her friend and have been told the men in her family are incestuous, you are not likely to have the, You gave her money for milk? But I just gave her money for milk, too! conversation...im experience...

[javahog]

Thanks shar. After reading this I felt sorry for George again. But also angry. There is a hole in every one's heart!!! And the last thing I would want to do is hear Casey's VOICE! Is he nuts? It seems he is ready to get going on the healing and it makes a big statement about him and his tribe. They are survivors... and here I thought George wouldn't make it through. I used to be a good judge of character but these folks got me stumped! All of it is too hideous to wrap my head around. Are they human?

As for Lee; they really think he is the family savior or consigliere'. He's a jerk who gets his car repo'd? Then acts like he is the only one in the family with class? He preens his calm wise old man advice and theatrical attitude. His sister is a disrespectful vicious little ass and he is a wanna be overseer of a family that has no morals. Just a bag of dirt for a family. They insult the very essence of decency. If he was really caring, intelligent and helpful, he'd advise them all to shut up. He moved back home??? I can't imagine how any of them can live in that house.

By the way, who does Lee look like?


Note, though, there were no protestations of Casey's innocence. I don't know...I like to think that I would cut a killer out, but it must be really hard. They loved her for 22 years, too, its not like she's a daughter-in-law...it's unfathomably awful. They must just sit there trying to figure out why this happened. I'll bet they have convinced themselves its either drug related or she's mentally ill. But if he wants to hear her voice, he should just watch Nancy Grace. Plenty of opps there...but he probably can't stomach the lying..

I have a question: where is Casey's car? Is it evidence or in the garage or ?

[Amy]

Did The State actually drop the death penalty? Or simply announce that they would not seek it?

IIRC, it was that, when the time expired for "the decision" they announced they would not seek the DP.

[Amy]

Good afternoon super sleuths!

Joshua Perper stated the body would have to be in the trunk about 3 days for the decomp to start. The smell, the fluids would of course, start off at a lesser level than, say, 5 days later. I'm thinking she had Caylee in there for 7 or 8 days...dumbass figured since she bagged her, and it wouldn't be noticable. By then it became very noticable (24th-25th) and she had to lose the bag. Her squirrel story started around then. Even she couldn't take driving the damn car :flamemad:

Did you heard last night on NG, the guy who started reaming LP about the video and the info about the video? Called LP a liar. LP says to call Nick Savage of the FBI, he can back up Padilla, becausewhen Padilla found out, he called Savage and told him about it, to look into it.

The body did not have to be in the car all those days---if the fluid leaked, the fluid would be there, and the smell would get worse every day. Just like spilled milk, just an annoyance @ first, but if you don't clean it up, it can get pretty rank as the days go by. Especially if the spill is in an enclosed space, just as the trunk of a car.

[Amy]

Anyone associated with Kidfinders strikes me as shady and unprofessional. Milford, Bart, D Casey, the whole lot. As much as I almost abhor G&C, I do think that the Kidfinder people took advantage of G&C's denial and disorientation in this situation to latch onto the immensity of this case hoping that it would somehow legitimatize the organization. The Anthonys are like carrion attracting vultures.

I think their (KFN's) seeing this as a chance to really promote their organization backfired big time. I haven't heard anything about them for some time now, since about the time of the JBPark dive when Milstead was pushing the camera guy. And there was a lot of board activity looking into the background of KFN's founders. Wonder if one of the "investigative" reporters did an expose on them? I think I remember someone from KFN defending themselves, but there wasn't much on that. When the A's were back home and in seclusion, the Milsteads were shown bringing in food and stuff. Beyond the fact that Bart announced she was stepping down as mouthpiece, there just hasn't been anything @ all about them.

[Amy]

An odd thought just struck me. If both Zenaida and Caylee were missing, why didn't Casey think that something bad had happened to both of them? Why did she just assume that Zenaida kidnapped Casey?

Now THAT is something I haven't seen anyone question before, but you do have a point!!! In her first version, one WOULD wonder why she would think Zenaida would kidnap Caylee, and not leave any word to let Casey know that is what was going down. And, in the first version, I never did understand how and when Casey got "the script." I know the script was part of the first version, but it wasn't until the second version where they knocked her down in the park and took Caylee that she said they left the script w/her.

Maybe someone asked Casey why she wouldn't have tho't something bad happened to Zenaida, too, and that's when she came up w/the second version, to cover how she knew it was a kidnapping AND a way to get the script?

[Amy]

Didn't Casey tell the police and G&C that Zannys gang knocked her down on the ground?

But, that was a LATER version. When she started out, she insisted she left Caylee @ Sawgrass w/Zanny and when she came back to pick her up, they were just.....gone!!!! The gang in the park version came later.

[Amy]

I saw LP get pissed off last night 'cause he was getting attacked about "how come you didn't say something sooner" If true, like I posted earlier, he did contact Nick Savage of the FBI. So now he's out to prove he ain't lyin and that they were up to something hokee and he wasn't part of it............

We know how he reacts when someone puts him down........:cool:

So, IMO, that would show LP as an honorable man (really, sometimes I just shake my head as he is talking) as he went the right route--inform Nick Savage of the developments he was made privy to, and not bring it up on NG until it was brought out otherwise.

[Amy]

Had to slop the hogs so I'm running behind. Question: Why wasn't an Amber Alert issued? I get that LE smelled a rat from the get go, but mightn't it have helped when gathering evidence?

Amber Alerts are put out @ the time a child is abducted, and has to meet certain criteria, such as vehicle description. In a month's time, the appearance of the kidnapper and kidnapee can change drastically, and certainly the kidnapper could be in a different vehicle. If I understand it correctly, w/the Amber Alert, in the first hours, there probably hasn't been attempts yet to change appearance, and likely the person is in the same vehicle.

Now, if Casey had called 911 @ the time of "the abduction" it might very well have met the criteria to be called. I don't think I have ever heard of an alert being called days, or weeks later, let alone a month. PLUS, I do think that the 31 day delay DID raise the hinky meter w/the detectives.

[Amy]

No lie! But if LP is the Orkin Man out to exteminate cockroaches, why did he wait to talk about these two PIs? Or are we supposed to think that he is the one who gave this information to LE? But the story didn't break until Hoover started trying to sell his video? :confused:

If he went to Nick Savage when he got the info, perhaps he was asked to keep it under his hat. I would think an investigation would go better if the people who are being investigated haven't been tipped off? Then, of course, once it was out in the open, LP either has the go-ahead from the FBI that he can talk, or he figured--it's out in the open now, it's okay to talk about it.

[Amy]

Forgive me if someone else has already posted this but I am once again playing catchup here. The way I understood what LP was saying was that the meter readers first 3 calls to LE were off by about 600yards not the investigators. They were much closer within 30-200yards of the body which is why he thinks there is no way that they were following up on Kiomarie's statement or they would have been alot further away from where the body was found. It does indicate that Casey had prior knowledge of where the body was and the fact that he wanted the film off Hoover and Hoover lied so as to keep it makes me think that Casey was still assosciated with Baez at the time even though he was supposed to have been only working for the Anthony's then.
I wonder if the work thing preventing hem from revealing what the defense were talking about would still hold if Baez and Casey were stupid enough to continue talking to and using this guy after his contract was up. Peachallie maybe you would no if this might null and void the confidentiality side of things?

I had read that "the service contract" between Baez and Casey was terminated Oct 1. Now, if that is official and in writing, I would think that, when one looks @ the "work product" that was developed in November would NOT come under the protection thing. Because THE CONTRACT was terminated over a month earlier. (But I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV. :tongue:)

[Amy]

How did I miss this? Of course I'm hot. The thermostat is cranked up to 65°.

No doubt LE has information that we haven't seen. I'm banking on it. Praying for it. But you would still think that they would have issued the Amber Alert to dot the eyes and cross the tees.

New question: What does George watch on Food Network from noon - 1:00? Are there any hour long programs on FN during the day? I thought 12:00 - 12:30 was Paula Deeeen. Or is there another "food channel" that I don't know about?


It's hard telling w/George who was watching the new.......uhm food channel. Would that have been the NEWS, George, before Cindy pinched your leg? And would that have been the news the night before? @least Scott Peterson knew what time Martha Stewart was on. I'm betting if anyone asked George what the actual show was, even tho it is something he "watches all the time" he would say after all this time, he couldn't remember. I'm w/you, I don't THINK that daytime Food Channel programming has anything over 1/2 hour segments. It's later in the day before they start the hour long ones like the Iron Chef and the baking, icing, barbequing challenges. (But I don't watch all that much Food Channel during the day, so I could be wrong.)

[Amy]

If lies were dollars we'd all be rich. Add one more to CA's list. Kiomarie said that the Liar gave Caylee the middle name Marie in honor of Kiomarie's friendship. Bah-Loney. Cindy's name is Cynthia Marie and Casey's middle name is Marie. If her mouth is open she's lying. If she's breathing - she's lying.

Gator

That's what I posted the other day, only I left out Cindy because I wasn't really sure her middle name was Marie. I was THINKING it was.

[Amy]

Leonard Padilla: “Don’t Be Surprised If OCSO Or The FBI Drop It On Us That They’ve Got Caylee’s Body.”

Search tells me he said this on Dec. 10th Nancy Grace but I can't find it in the transcript - still looking....

I don't remember if I happened to watch NG the day he said that, but I do remember @ the time, there was a lot of posting activity about that comment on one of the message boards. I don't know why they would eliminate that comment from any of the transcripts, because there are a LOT of folks who heard him say that.

The transcripts alway have the disclaimer that this is a rush job, or something to that effect, that it might not be completely accurate. Do they ever update and make the transcripts CORRECT? I guess, if he said that and it was brushed over, and others were talking over him, it could have been missed in the transcript?

Here is the disclaimer:
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

[Amy]

Although if IIRC he noted an unusual smell - if I were LE and knew that location was questionable in the Caylee disappearance I'd be hopping on it like a hot potato. Problem is when you have different numbers to call including 911 and someone doesn't take the time to put the two and two together it falls by the wayside.

I don't know if you remember or not but when the meter reader called in for the 4th time - he made note to the 911 operator this time that it was in the vicinity of the Anthony home. Granted we all don't think of these things as they happen, but the meter reader obviously figured out he needed to make a connection to the Anthony's somehow once he went back and found that garbage bag with remains - so what he smelled early on was most likely there all along - little Caylee's remains. :(

Hindsights 20/20 but this is probably the 2nd/3rd hi-profile case in FL - Trenton Duckett and Jennifer Kesse - you'd think LE would figure out a way for someone to keep track of tips/and field all calls no matter what number they came into. I'm sure many people in cases like this would offer their time for free.

Just sayin'. :seeya:

He didn't mention smell in his calls. On 8-11: He talks about something between 2 swampy areas, a white thing. He had a route on Suburban and he tho't Good Hope Rd (he didn't know the names of the streets other than Suburban.) He went to get his GPS (you could hear a door open and close, like he was @ home and went to his vehicle to get the GPS.) The school he didn't know the name of was @ (can't read my writing) 801 or 201 Suburban Drive, and their (A's) road comes off that. He says, there's a swamp area there, and they (meter readers, I guess) had found a dead snake there. "There's a lot of trees there, I'm not going in because of the dead snake." He repeats, swamp area on both sides.

On 8-12: He says there is a school @ the bottom of the street. There is swamp area on the left hand side. It's behind trees. He didn't touch it. The weeds are really high, and it looked like a tree was cut with something white and round. He says there are no cross streets @ that spot. There are streets that branch off, one that turns to "their" (A's) house. He does say in this call that street is HopeSpring drive. it is swampy and there is a 6 foot fence. the other side is swamp. This is the call where the dispatcher (OCSO) says to call the tipline that deals exclusively w/the Caylee Anthony case. He protests, does not want to call, doesn't want to be identified, etc etc etc. He did agree to take the number.

On 8-13: He calls the OSCO. He says the name of the school is Hidden Oaks Elementary. There is a swamp area where they will meet him there, he is there now. He says there is swamp on ither side of the road. The dispatcher asks could the officer meet him @ HopeSpring and Suburban and he says, no, if they round the curve, they will see him.

This call makes me think he DID call the tipline altho in the call the 12th, he was reluctant to do so, and that possibly he was instructioned to call them when he was there, so they could be where he says the white thing was. Now, one would wonder, did he call the tipline on the 12th, or did he wait until the 13th? Because his first call (the 11th) was from his home, that would have to be after he got off work, he wasn't in the area to direct them to the spot. The second one was I think reported @ 9pm, again, after he was home and not in the area to direct them specifically. The third one was @ 3 something.

Anyway, there was no mention of smell in any of his calls. (Unless this was something he mentioned in his pc? I only saw one, don't know how many he did, or if he has been on NG and the likes.)

The call in December was actually made by one of his supervisors, not him. He remained in the area and the dispatcher said to make sure he stayed there, and to try to keep this all low key. I didn't make notes on that last call, but I don't recall offhand that smell was mentioned by them, either.

I also remember people talking about the "fact" and I use that term loosely that the bag in August was white, and the one found in December was black. Now, I didn't hear him say anything about a BAG in August, just a white thing that was round. So am not sure where the difference in the color of the bags came up. (As it did on NG and maybe GVS.)

[Amy]

I will fully admit to being an uneducated female when it comes to cars (don't get me wrong, I know where the gas goes, check the oil, etc), but WTF is a widget (that 'thing' GA needed from CA's car)? Is it something like a doo-ma-jiggie, thing-a-ma-bob, or a doo-rod?

Sorry, just trying to lighten things up around here.

I'm thinking I heard it had to do with changing tires--like something to put behind the tire so the car wouldn't roll? I don't know, we don't use any widgets when we change tires, but I'm from the flatlands of KS, and cars don't roll that much, lol. I THINK George mentioned the widget in either the LE or the FBI interview, and he mentioned something about tires.

[Amy]

I Have another theory as to who Caylees father is. This is a very dysfunctional family. I have wondered all along if Lee is not the father. It seems odd that the real father has not been located or surfaced in light of her death. She is named after him. Call me sick but not sick as the bitoch that killed Caylee. Maybe that why she resented her so much. In my state you do not leave the hospital with a birth certificate with naming a father

The father of the baby is not required for a birth certificate. (I know, I DO birth certificates, and my kids' dad is NOT on their birth certificates.) In fact, if not married, the father of the baby has to sign paternity papers in order for his name to BE on the birth certificate. He doesn't sign the papers, his name isn't there. Or, in some cases, the mother prefers to not even ask for paternity papers to be signed, and the father of the baby is left blank. While this might not be true in ALL states, I would venture to say it is this way in MOST states.

[Amy]

I have just been searching the web and read something that I had been unaware of. Is it true that the meter readers calls were only partially released and that portions are missing. I was trying to find out what GPS reading he gave them on the 2nd call and that just isn't there. Hmmm.

Hmmm.....maybe that is why the calls are so...vague and sometimes seem a little disjointed. The beginning of either the 2nd or 3rd call is a little strange to me..maybe it's because there were things said before what we hear as the beginning?

[Amy]

I like the way you think stl, so glad you remembered your username!
Hey I was just thinking if Lee has moved out of his house and they are saying it was only a rental then I am bamboozled as to why at one point he was saying his parents were so tight for cash thathe mght have to buy them a house? You would think he could afford his own if he could afford to get them one hey. And didn't his car get repo'd a while back. Sounds like he was trying to make himself sound better of han he is. I guess that is no crime but I am curious as to why he has moved and what Melanie is doing now?

Perhaps, being single and all, he hasn't been interested so much in buying a house, and now that he is getting married, it might be more important. And, if he just rents, he doesn't have to go thru the process of selling his house if his wife decides she wants to live in another area. Or, maybe renting was cheaper and he could sock away money to be able to buy a house?

Perhaps he COULD afford his car before all this started. I don't know if he continued to work after this got underway, or if he cut to part time or quit altogether so as to have time for his investigative work. But, his finances may have changed drastically since this started. Or, maybe he WAS living beyond his means, who knows.

[Amy]

I do have some of those theories too. I think the Ants have always been dysfunctional and Cindy's brother posted a lot of proof on topix. com about them. Incestous relationships do happen and things are kept secret. Good point about about state laws and birth certificates. I'm not sure about the law in Florida but here in New Mexico mothers under the age of 18 have to name a father on birth certificates. It all depends on Florida law. I really don't buy the theories of Jesus Ortiz or Eric Baker being Caylee's dad.

In KS, the dad does not have to be listed on the birth certificate. Now, if the conception occured when the girl was 16 or younger, Social Services are notified, not that I know what they do, as I don't see men/boys being jailed for statutory rape (which is what the reporting is supposed to be about.) But, when all is said and done, the dad does not have to be on the birth certificate. I do know that, in @ least some cases, the father has to be named in order for the mom to get services--food stamps, medical card, etc. I guess in order to get the $$$ from the dad to offset the $$$ put out by the state. It happened that way in Missouri, too, when my sister lived there.

[Amy]

can someone tell me when did george and cindy seperate and when did they get back together? I wonder if cindy gave him the boot when learning casey was preggers.

I wonder if that was the case, too. I had read (sorry, no links, was in a news article many months ago) that they had separated in 2005, but reconciled. I don't know the months, like how long they were separated. But, by calculations, Caylee was conceived in Nov 2004, and @ 7 months (when the A's "found out" that she was pregnant) would be in June of 2005.

[Amy]

As for the internet googling......

We all know what a phone/text addict CA is (was... hahahaha), so could LE look back at the date(s) the searches were done and compare it to phone/text messages to/from CA (or the rest of the family/friends) to proove who WAS in the Ant's house when the searches were made? Also, what else was searched at the same time.... such as between kneck breaking and chloroform, whomever (CA) was checking up on her One Tree Hill or O.C. addiction (for those that don't know, those are 'young people' shows IMOO, of course... kinda like 90210 and Melrose was my addiction when I was 18+) What I'm getting at is, you can kinda judge a search by the user. Like G might be looking up car maintenace and Cindy looking up mothering tips (my sarcasam is oozing as I type) between missing children sites. Can a search like that really be done or has all the dramatizing on CSI, Law & Order, etc gotten me to think anything is possible?

I tend to babble when I'm tired but can't sleep. Flog me if you wish.

O/T.... are you in MO STLCardsfan? If so, what part? I've been living in SWMO for 5 years... so, howdy neighbor :seeya:

I guess that is why I can't relate to trying something because I saw it on some TV show. Because what I watch is Forensic Files, Cold Case Files, City Confidential, First 48, etc. I wouldn't try anything cuz THOSE shows show me that--you WILL get caught!!!! lol And don't say, well, they did this, I could do THAT--just because there isn't the technology today to catch you up, there WILL be technology tomorrow or the next day that WILL.

[Amy]

I live in a bedroom community nw of springfield, but work there. After 5 years, I haven't decided if I like this place or not. I guess that's why is called Misery instead of Missouri.

I have a niece and a nephew who both live in Springfield. They've both been there for a while, maybe 10 years? And NEITHER would ever consider moving back to KS!!!!

[Amy]

Dang y'all are making me look bad - I always turned the ac on in June because of the humidity. The tornadoes show up around April, May, June, July, August, September time frame correct? I remember snow, more snow, more snow and then ice storms - all in the winter - heck I remember being in KC over Christmas visiting family and the temp was 10 below - ice was everywhere. My nose froze together when I went from the car to the house.
Just met my family from KC in a warm climate over the holidays and they were thankful to leave the cold 2 degree's plus ice/snow.

Seriously now, :tongue: I'm saying goodnight :seeya:

I guess it depends on the part of the state--I'm in SW KS, it has only snowed a bit a couple of times (I hate snow) and no ice--so far this year (I hate ice worse than I hate snow.) When I watch the weather, all of the "weather" starts 100 or so miles east of where I live--which suits me just fine. I would NOT like living in Missouri with all those hills and the ice and stuff UGH!!!! My nephew works for DOT, and he hates to see the storms coming, too. Except there's lots of overtime for the road crews!!

[Amy]

Note, though, there were no protestations of Casey's innocence. I don't know...I like to think that I would cut a killer out, but it must be really hard. They loved her for 22 years, too, its not like she's a daughter-in-law...it's unfathomably awful. They must just sit there trying to figure out why this happened. I'll bet they have convinced themselves its either drug related or she's mentally ill. But if he wants to hear her voice, he should just watch Nancy Grace. Plenty of opps there...but he probably can't stomach the lying..

I have a question: where is Casey's car? Is it evidence or in the garage or ?

It was in evidence when Henry Lee came into the picture, anyway. Haven't read where it was released. I THINK it would probably have made the news, unless they released it after Dec 11. Before that, it would have filled in on the slow news days. After that, the discovery of Caylee would have overshadowed ANYTHING else related to the case, IMO.

[Grave Chaser]

I'm thinking I heard it had to do with changing tires--like something to put behind the tire so the car wouldn't roll? I don't know, we don't use any widgets when we change tires, but I'm from the flatlands of KS, and cars don't roll that much, lol. I THINK George mentioned the widget in either the LE or the FBI interview, and he mentioned something about tires.

Ok, so I got up this morning (ok ok, so it was more like this afternoon) and asked my uncle what a widget was. Was it soemthing for a tire? He told me, and my aunt agreed, that a widget is like a nicname for any object that someone doesn't know the correct name for, not a specific object. So basicly, a widget IS a thing-a ma-bob. I googled widget and all I come up with is stuff for computers (software applications, etc), and I certainly don't think GA had computer stuff in the trunk. :shrug:

Ok people, start posting so I can go off on another tangent! haha....

BTW, g'morning errrrr afternoon everyone :seeya:

[Amy]

Ok, so I got up this morning (ok ok, so it was more like this afternoon) and asked my uncle what a widget was. Was it soemthing for a tire? He told me, and my aunt agreed, that a widget is like a nicname for any object that someone doesn't know the correct name for, not a specific object. So basicly, a widget IS a thing-a ma-bob. I googled widget and all I come up with is stuff for computers (software applications, etc), and I certainly don't think GA had computer stuff in the trunk. :shrug:

Ok people, start posting so I can go off on another tangent! haha....

BTW, g'morning errrrr afternoon everyone :seeya:

Glad to see a post from you and Danagher--looks like I was a day late and a dollar short on the boards!!! Tho't maybe everyone had gone somewhere else!!! lol

[Grave Chaser]

I guess that is why I can't relate to trying something because I saw it on some TV show. Because what I watch is Forensic Files, Cold Case Files, City Confidential, First 48, etc. I wouldn't try anything cuz THOSE shows show me that--you WILL get caught!!!! lol And don't say, well, they did this, I could do THAT--just because there isn't the technology today to catch you up, there WILL be technology tomorrow or the next day that WILL.


You got that right! Maybe I'm wrong, but I swear I read somewhere that in the Adam Walsh case, LE had taken a carpet/upholstry sample from OT's car that was stained with blood all those years ago, but somebody threw it out because they didn't see any reason they could use it in the future. If they kept it, they could have positively identified weather or not the blood came from Adam.

[Grave Chaser]

Glad to see a post from you and Danagher--looks like I was a day late and a dollar short on the boards!!! Tho't maybe everyone had gone somewhere else!!! lol

Nah, we're just sleeping in. :D

When I went to AR for hillbilly christmas, I was without my computer for days. When I got home and logged in, there were 20+ pages of posts, I just about fainted. I'm still skimming the posts to see if I've missed anything! So I'm right there with ya, Amy!

[lorettalockhorn]

Amber Alerts are put out @ the time a child is abducted, and has to meet certain criteria, such as vehicle description. In a month's time, the appearance of the kidnapper and kidnapee can change drastically, and certainly the kidnapper could be in a different vehicle. If I understand it correctly, w/the Amber Alert, in the first hours, there probably hasn't been attempts yet to change appearance, and likely the person is in the same vehicle.

Now, if Casey had called 911 @ the time of "the abduction" it might very well have met the criteria to be called. I don't think I have ever heard of an alert being called days, or weeks later, let alone a month. PLUS, I do think that the 31 day delay DID raise the hinky meter w/the detectives.

I guess that is/was my question: what is the criteria? You would think that will all the b!tching and bleeding and pissing and moaning that Cindy was doing, that if for no other reason than to remind the public of the Amber Alert System, the media would have reiterated what the criteria is. And maybe they did and I missed it.

If he went to Nick Savage when he got the info, perhaps he was asked to keep it under his hat. I would think an investigation would go better if the people who are being investigated haven't been tipped off? Then, of course, once it was out in the open, LP either has the go-ahead from the FBI that he can talk, or he figured--it's out in the open now, it's okay to talk about it.

So if Savage asked LP to keep it under the hat that he's too rude to remove inside a building, why didn't he? Why was he on NG insinuating that the FBI knew about Caylee and left her to continue decomposing, losing valuable forensic evidence, and leaving it up to the meter reader to find her??

I have never seen so many POS characters in any case. Ever.

[javahog]

Who in their right mind falls for those 3rd world country scams? Ah, GREED, another one of the seven deadly potholes in life. These people got um all!
The Pygmy tribes had more class.

The Mbutu DO have more class! But weirdly they are con artists who have convinced the cattle-farming tribes nearby that they work for them, while they are really in control of the arrangement. Its quite symbiotic. I wonder if an analogy can be drawn in the Anthony family structure?

[javahog]

You got that right! Maybe I'm wrong, but I swear I read somewhere that in the Adam Walsh case, LE had taken a carpet/upholstry sample from OT's car that was stained with blood all those years ago, but somebody threw it out because they didn't see any reason they could use it in the future. If they kept it, they could have positively identified weather or not the blood came from Adam.

This is why we archaeologists only excavate a percentage of a site rather than the whole thing-you never know what technology will come up in the future, and you have to save something for then. I wish LE had followed that rule, though I think they are right as to the perp. I just wish the Walshes could have gotten justice in Adam's name at a proper time....

[abbra]

Mornin Amy!

Yes I remember her story took a new road. I think she wanted to impress upon everyone that the nanny and her troops were dangerous, in order to justify her reason for not calling the police immediately. It was a no brainer of a story but it must have made sense to her. She was trying to portray her nobility and her will to protect her family. She also wanted to appear the poor victim who had to carry this heavy burden alone. IMO Worst of all is... they bought it.

SIGH ~ ~ ~ I can't take it! ;)

Boy did you hit the nail on the head Danny! I thought the same thing.

[One2Snoop]

George Anthony: ‘There is a hole in my heart'
Last Edited: Saturday, 03 Jan 2009, 12:36 AM EST
Created: Friday, 02 Jan 2009, 11:58 PM EST

By Holly Bristow
FOX 35 NEWS

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The Anthony family has made it clear that they will do any on camera interviews until after Caylee Marie is laid to rest.

The toddler was missing from June of last year until December when her remains were found near the East Orange County home where she lived with her grandparents George and Cindy and her mother Casey who is in jail charged with her murder.

Friday George Anthony spoke off camera with FOX 35 about a few things he said we could share.
VIDEO: George Anthony speaks out Anthony said he can't drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.

Anthony said he is doing all right, at least as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

Lee, the Anthony’s son and brother to Casey, has moved back home to be with his parents.

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.

Does Anthony think the family will find any closure once they are able to have a funeral service for their granddaughter?

"There is a hole in my heart big enough for a truck to drive through,” Anthony said. “I don't think I'll ever have closure. At this point I'm just hoping to someday be able to accept that Caylee is gone."

Anthony also said he misses his daughter Casey as well. He would like be able to visit Casey in jail, even if it’s just to say hello and hear her voice and see how she is doing.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8187300&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[BeastofBears]

Boy did you hit the nail on the head Danny! I thought the same thing.

I guess all those visits to the missing children sites made their parent's lives look glamorous or something.

[BeastofBears]

George Anthony: ‘There is a hole in my heart'
Last Edited: Saturday, 03 Jan 2009, 12:36 AM EST
Created: Friday, 02 Jan 2009, 11:58 PM EST

By Holly Bristow
FOX 35 NEWS

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The Anthony family has made it clear that they will do any on camera interviews until after Caylee Marie is laid to rest.

The toddler was missing from June of last year until December when her remains were found near the East Orange County home where she lived with her grandparents George and Cindy and her mother Casey who is in jail charged with her murder.

Friday George Anthony spoke off camera with FOX 35 about a few things he said we could share.
VIDEO: George Anthony speaks out Anthony said he can't drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.

Anthony said he is doing all right, at least as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

Lee, the Anthony’s son and brother to Casey, has moved back home to be with his parents.

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.

Does Anthony think the family will find any closure once they are able to have a funeral service for their granddaughter?

"There is a hole in my heart big enough for a truck to drive through,” Anthony said. “I don't think I'll ever have closure. At this point I'm just hoping to someday be able to accept that Caylee is gone."

Anthony also said he misses his daughter Casey as well. He would like be able to visit Casey in jail, even if it’s just to say hello and hear her voice and see how she is doing.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8187300&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


He might have to accept that Casey is gone, too, imo.

[Gatordog]

I was right behind you. :tongue:

So can anyone interpret that statement? The OCSO or the FBI had Caylee's body but left her for the meter reader to find? I'm lost here. :confused:

I think the were so sure that the body was dumped near the airport that LE just ignored the tips and after the Blanchard Park/Padilla fiasco, they weren't going to puy any weight into what Padilla would say. :shrug:

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks Gator, if you read this quote from LP does that put them near the body as well or could that still be further down the road?
"He's standing there, or somebody's standing there, filming Dominic down the road and Dominic's on a cell phone, and you can see the fence, the signs on the left, the fence is there, everything is there," Padilla told Eyewitness News.

If he's referring to the wooden yard fence, then yes, that's exactly where the remains were found.

[Gatordog]

He did make 3 calls in August - 3days in a row but it wasn't properly followed up on. I'm thinking one of the calls was fielded through one of the tiplines and once the water receded along with the tip from one of Casey's old school friends pointing out the hangout the PI went to check it out. I believe the PI when he said he didn't know the remains were there - I think its all just a coinkydink and with Padilla spewing his 2 cents - it merely adds to the drama.

JMO

Hey Snoop, Happy New Year. Unforunately, I can't believe anything anyone associated with KidFinders says. This guy was supposed to be looking for a kidnapped, live Caylee. Why is he searching the woods to exonerate the Liar?

Gator

[Gatordog]

The Homeowners association where the Anthony's live did not want George's mobile "where's caylee" sign parked on the street by their house so the HOA told George he could park it down the street - by the empty lot on Suburban and Hopespring. Probably no more than 100 feet from where Caylee was found. George passesd her body at least twice a day.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Ok, so I got up this morning (ok ok, so it was more like this afternoon) and asked my uncle what a widget was. Was it soemthing for a tire? He told me, and my aunt agreed, that a widget is like a nicname for any object that someone doesn't know the correct name for, not a specific object. So basicly, a widget IS a thing-a ma-bob. I googled widget and all I come up with is stuff for computers (software applications, etc), and I certainly don't think GA had computer stuff in the trunk. :shrug:

Ok people, start posting so I can go off on another tangent! haha....

BTW, g'morning errrrr afternoon everyone :seeya:

Heard it more clearly last night on NG. It's a "wedge" that he is looking for. He sticks them under the car tires to the tires from rolling....wedge.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Hmmm.....maybe that is why the calls are so...vague and sometimes seem a little disjointed. The beginning of either the 2nd or 3rd call is a little strange to me..maybe it's because there were things said before what we hear as the beginning?

Yes, portions of the tape referring to the bag were edited out of the public version.

[Gatordog]

It makes sense as you lay it out...however, also thinking out loud...I have a 3 year old and he has the exact same sandbox (:(). It is big enough (again, :(). But...what comes to mind is CA's comment that LE hadn't even found Caylees clothes yet. I wonder if some clothes with decomp were soaked or temporarily stored in the backyard, maybe in the sandbox? Casey kept telling people that Caylee was at the beach with Zenaida during that month. I wonder if she wasn't redressed in the bathing suit to try and make it look like Z in a another stupid attempt...

I lean toward the nasty piece accidentally killing her with Chloroform, but I sure hope people don't think I am defending her in any way. Giving a baby homemade chloroform is as bad as premeditated murder, imo...and post mortem actions are indefensible. Baffling.

all imos and moos.


Then maybe she put her in the house first and the body was visible so she moved Caylee to the covered sandbox. If the Liar used the beach story to explain any sand that may have been found with the body, she made a critical error. Beach sand is very different from home use sand. Let's hope sand is involved and it can be traced back to the sandbox.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Then maybe she put her in the house first and the body was visible so she moved Caylee to the covered sandbox. If the Liar used the beach story to explain any sand that may have been found with the body, she made a critical error. Beach sand is very different from home use sand. Let's hope sand is involved and it can be traced back to the sandbox.

Gator

Yes, and I think I read somewhere that soil samples were taken when the last search warrant was executed. Maybe that's an all encompassing term to include sand.

[Woostock]

Loretta
We are on the same page...never have I seen so many POS characters in one place at the same time. It's just unbelievable.

[Gatordog]

Now, we all agree that G&C were totally irresponsible in not having any information on their grandaughter's babysitter. I do not have children so I cannot be a good judge plus I'm on the obsession compulsive side so I'm suspicious about everything. If I had a child or grandchild being taken care of by a sitter, I would not want the sitter leaving the house with the child unless it was critical. I wouldn't want the sitter taking the child to parks, theme parks and to the beach. So many things can happen in a split second. I can't see how G&C did not question Caylee being taken to Tampa, the beach and theme parks by a baby sitter. East coast beaches in Central Florida can be very dangerous. We have riptides which have swept people out to sea.

Gator

P.S. I'm very proud that three years ago, my surfer nephew became a firefighter and in his first week on the job pulled three people out of a riptide. The man died but the two children lived. He was in the newspaper and received a commendation. :) You can imagine the looks he received as he was running down the beach tearing off his clothes to jump in the water. The following year he was picked to be in a beefcake firefighter calender.;)

[One2Snoop]

Bizarre! :eek: How did we miss this? or maybe it was already posted and I'm the only one who missed it....


22 -YEAR-OLD GIRL WANTS TO BE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxVpsEklpw8&feature=related

[One2Snoop]

Part 1 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGKHxCr0WmE&feature=related

Part 2 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case - Focus on the Family Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26m183ljsGg&feature=related

Part 3 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case - Focus on the Family Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStXw_O4v1Y&feature=related


Part 4 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case- Focus on the Family Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUbC7cmtFY&feature=related

[Grave Chaser]

Bizarre! :eek: How did we miss this? or maybe it was already posted and I'm the only one who missed it....


22 -YEAR-OLD GIRL WANTS TO BE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxVpsEklpw8&feature=related

Alright, fill me in. I can't get video. What's this dumb biotches deal?

[One2Snoop]

Alright, fill me in. I can't get video. What's this dumb biotches deal?

Pregnant
miscarried
lied to the father
said baby was with french nanny
nanny took baby

police determined baby didn't exist

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony case: WESH asks, Is there a copycat?
posted by halboedeker on Dec 27, 2008 8:45:06 AM


"Could there be a copycat to the Caylee case?" WESH-Channel 2 anchor Martha Sugalski asked last night.

Yes, Friday was a slow day in the Casey Anthony story. WESH noted that the Anthonys had removed the search-for-Cayle poster from their front door but made no no funeral announcement. And the possible copycat?

WESH reporter Amanda Ober found "pretty bizarre" similarities in the story of a South Florida woman had claimed her baby had been taken by Camille, a nanny with a French accent. But it turns out in that case there wasn't a nanny -- or a baby.

Here's how WESH told the story: The woman hoped to win back her former boyfriend and lied that she had given birth, although she had suffered a miscarriage. When the boyfriend tried to see the baby, the woman came up with her kidnapping story. She is headed to jail on charges of lying to police. The nearly 20 Miami police detectives, who worked the case Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, want the woman to pay for their time.

So in case of time and resolution, there aren't many similarities to the Casey Anthony saga. When WFTV-Channel 9 reported the South Florida story Saturday morning, it drew no connection to Casey Anthony. One Casey Anthony story in a lifetime is enough, isn't it?

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/casey-anthony-5.html

[Grave Chaser]

O/T... sort of....

WTF is wrong with young people today? Do they not understand how easy it is to get and use birth control?

[Gatordog]

Part 1 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGKHxCr0WmE&feature=related

Part 2 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case - Focus on the Family Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26m183ljsGg&feature=related

Part 3 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case - Focus on the Family Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QStXw_O4v1Y&feature=related


Part 4 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case- Focus on the Family Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhUbC7cmtFY&feature=related

Snoop, thanks for posting these - I wish G&C would watch them so they can see how they went from normal people in the first few days to crazy people who needed evidence that something happened to Caylee. First instincts are usually correct.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Watching the scroll on the TV guide of shows on tv: Monster in Law, Lies My Mother Told Me, Seven Deadly Sins, Smother, Cops, and Wanted. They could all be about the Anthonys. ;) Too bad The Munsters or the Addams Family isn't on too.:D

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Watching the scroll on the TV guide of shows on tv: Monster in Law, Lies My Mother Told Me, Seven Deadly Sins, Smother, Cops, and Wanted. They could all be about the Anthonys. ;) Too bad The Munsters or the Addams Family isn't on too.:D

Gator

ROFLMAO - :beer:

[Grave Chaser]

Watching the scroll on the TV guide of shows on tv: Monster in Law, Lies My Mother Told Me, Seven Deadly Sins, Smother, Cops, and Wanted. They could all be about the Anthonys. ;) Too bad The Munsters or the Addams Family isn't on too.:D

Gator

Hey, at least the Munsters and the Addams family LIKED each other!

[lorettalockhorn]

Now, we all agree that G&C were totally irresponsible in not having any information on their grandaughter's babysitter. I do not have children so I cannot be a good judge plus I'm on the obsession compulsive side so I'm suspicious about everything. If I had a child or grandchild being taken care of by a sitter, I would not want the sitter leaving the house with the child unless it was critical. I wouldn't want the sitter taking the child to parks, theme parks and to the beach. So many things can happen in a split second. I can't see how G&C did not question Caylee being taken to Tampa, the beach and theme parks by a baby sitter. East coast beaches in Central Florida can be very dangerous. We have riptides which have swept people out to sea.

Gator

P.S. I'm very proud that three years ago, my surfer nephew became a firefighter and in his first week on the job pulled three people out of a riptide. The man died but the two children lived. He was in the newspaper and received a commendation. :) You can imagine the looks he received as he was running down the beach tearing off his clothes to jump in the water. The following year he was picked to be in a beefcake firefighter calender.;)

Cindy has been painted as the most controlling mother/grandmother on the planet. Yet she didn't know the nanny; had never met Zenaida, didn't object to this *gasp* Hispanic woman babysitting her granddaughter, didn't ask to see references, didn't do a background check, didn't ask to see ZFG's DL, insurance, bonding information, didn't have a phone number or address for this woman, nothing, zilch, nada, zip, nil, zero. Something doesn't add up here.

Congrats to your beefcake hero nephew!

(Pardon me while I brag, too. My Little Love is a Class 5 raft guide with advanced lifesaving certification. He's never used the techniques in the water; only once on the streets of NOLA.)

[lorettalockhorn]

I was right behind you Amy. It looked like we were the only two cars on the raod. The rest probably had hagnog hangovers. ;) so they slept late today.

I did have a wee nip of VSOP.

http://i34.tinypic.com/2pq6vzm.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

Yes he said that on NG one night - IIRC she bypassed the info as though she didn't hear it. I remember thinking why the heck she didn't jump all over that piece of news but thinking back many suggested here that NG only had him on for ratings and didn't care what he had to offer. :cool: My memory is faulty folks so not pointing fingers and don't quote me on that LOL. :beer:

I remember this the same way you do and I think we discussed it here. Nancy rushed over that as if he had not spoken. I decided at the time it was just more of his bull.

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks Susie, we had a ball, I am sunburnt (:flamemad:closest pic to how I look I could find lol) and look like a lobster but we had a fantastic time!

I knew this case was going to drive us crazy. We are now using a flaming mad smiley for hot flashes and sunburns. LOL:D What next?

[mu8shark]

Now THAT is something I haven't seen anyone question before, but you do have a point!!! In her first version, one WOULD wonder why she would think Zenaida would kidnap Caylee, and not leave any word to let Casey know that is what was going down. And, in the first version, I never did understand how and when Casey got "the script." I know the script was part of the first version, but it wasn't until the second version where they knocked her down in the park and took Caylee that she said they left the script w/her.

Maybe someone asked Casey why she wouldn't have tho't something bad happened to Zenaida, too, and that's when she came up w/the second version, to cover how she knew it was a kidnapping AND a way to get the script?I posted about this a while back because it struck me if Zenaida was such a good person to Caylee, kind and always complimentary of Casey and reliable for about two years and she never made any funny remarks like I wish your child was mine or you don't deserve that child etc then why would you immediately assume Zenaida kidnapped her? How about wondering if the car went off the road in a ravine or a body of water or what if Zenaida had a seizure or stroke and was hospitalized or how about if somebody carjacked Zenaida? Why would you not assume something else happened to this supposedly trustworthy woman and your child? It makes no sense and you would go to the police and say OMG I think something bad happened to them both.! I could not agree more and this hit me when I heard Caseys entire tape and how flattering she was about Zenaida.

[lorettalockhorn]

We Want Pictures! We Want Pictures! We Want Pictures!

LMAO He would disown me. Think Jeremiah Johnson (but bigger; he didn't go without eating over the winter) with long dark hair. HAHA Maybe think Grizzly Adams with dark hair careening down the Gauley River at breakneck speed. :hat:

[mu8shark]

Cindy has been painted as the most controlling mother/grandmother on the planet. Yet she didn't know the nanny; had never met Zenaida, didn't object to this *gasp* Hispanic woman babysitting her granddaughter, didn't ask to see references, didn't do a background check, didn't ask to see ZFG's DL, insurance, bonding information, didn't have a phone number or address for this woman, nothing, zilch, nada, zip, nil, zero. Something doesn't add up here.

Congrats to your beefcake hero nephew!

(Pardon me while I brag, too. My Little Love is a Class 5 raft guide with advanced lifesaving certification. He's never used the techniques in the water; only once on the streets of NOLA.) Exactly, she put a roof over the childs head, clothed her , fed her, probably paid for the doctor, probably went to the doctor with her , bought her toys, played with her as you can tell in the photos and did not give one zip about her childcare???? Naw , no way,.

[lorettalockhorn]

OT: Amber Alert criteria:

U.S. Department of JusticeRecommended AMBER Alert Criteria

1. Law enforcement officials have a reason*able belief that an abduction has occurred.
2. Law enforcement officials believe that the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.
3. Enough descriptive information exists about the victim and the abductor for law enforcement to issue an AMBER Alert.
4. The victim of the abduction is a child age 17 years or younger.
5. The child’s name and other critical data elements—including the child abduction (CA) and AMBER Alert (AA) flags—have been entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system. LT000498 4/05...

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:73kpvM4fQ4kJ:www.ncjrs.gov/html/ojjdp/amberalert/PocketCard.pdf+amber+alert+criteria&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

From: http://www.floridaamberalert.com/

Save a child with AMBER ALERT

A parent's worst nightmare is a child abduction. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, 74 percent of children who were abducted and later found murdered were killed within three hours of being taken. Quick response is vital.

What is AMBER ALERT?

AMBER ALERT empowers law enforcement, the media and the public to combat abduction by sending out immediate, up-to-date information that aids in the child's safe recovery.
AMBER ALERT may be activated only by law enforcement agencies.
AMBER ALERT is intended only for the most serious, time-critical child abduction cases.
AMBER ALERT is not intended for cases involving runaways or parental adbuction, except in life-threatening situations.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok OK Truth be told,I'm feeling kinda ignored here.

I didn't get any meatloaf marsala, No response to Loretta runnin around naked for Leroy when she has hot:flamemad: flashes, no pictures shown of half naked men......out of hagnog.............

and this case is makin me crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hellllllllllloooooooooooooo

:seeya:

LMAO I thought I sent you a message or posted or something that we likey the nakey! Your name may have an element of old, but until you actually get old, you won't struggle to remember the difference in what you though, what you dreamed, and what you did.

Anyway

WE LIKEY THE NAKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And of course I wub you. http://i36.tinypic.com/av6kc0.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

Creepy... I've been thinking the same thing. Also, it's been stated before that CA has made refrences/allegations that she was abused by her father and Lee made a pass at her. Not that I'm excusing CA's behavior about killing Caylee, but if the allegations are true and that CA was George and Lee's personal **** puppy, it makes sense that she's jacked in the head (but who knows, maybe it was consentual? Maybe Cindy knew about the relationship(s) and was jealous of CA for taking her husband from her?). From the posts I've read, it seems that most people's opiniion of G is that he's a wuss, but think about it..... it's ALWAYS the quiet ones that we should have been worrying about.

Ok, I'm going to go shave me tongue for speaking/typing such gross theories.

I suspect that you are hitting closer to the truth than anyone would like to think. It was evident from the jail tapes that Cindy is jealous of Casey.

On one of the tapes shown on NG tonight, Casey says, "she {Caylee) has the best parts of all four of us." Notice how she includes Lee? Just a litle wierd.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes mu, you're right. Do you remember the critical answer she gave when asked why Zanni would kidnap Casey and she said something about not being able to tell them now, but she would tell them when she was sure Caylee was safe, or some such? She left the door open to a forthcoming explanation as if there was one. I guess she thinks she's Paul Harvey.

And now,,,,for the rest of the story.......

Caylee is safe now; God rest her soul. Let's hear the rest of the story, Casey. Or Jose. Or whoever. IF there is a rest of the story, why does this poor pathetic bereaved mother sit in jail while the true kidnapper/killer is safe and sound from LE?

[lorettalockhorn]

I suspect that you are hitting closer to the truth than anyone would like to think. It was evident from the jail tapes that Cindy is jealous of Casey.

On one of the tapes shown on NG tonight, Casey says, "she {Caylee) has the best parts of all four of us." Notice how she includes Lee? Just a litle wierd.

Remember in the video of the Ants visiting Casey when George called Casey "gorgeous", and Cindy leaned back against George in some sort of weird cuddle? Was that bizarre, or what?

[Justice Denied?]

I like the way you think stl, so glad you remembered your username!
Hey I was just thinking if Lee has moved out of his house and they are saying it was only a rental then I am bamboozled as to why at one point he was saying his parents were so tight for cash thathe mght have to buy them a house? You would think he could afford his own if he could afford to get them one hey. And didn't his car get repo'd a while back. Sounds like he was trying to make himself sound better of han he is. I guess that is no crime but I am curious as to why he has moved and what Melanie is doing now?

I am not suprised that Lee is having financial problems. He was off work aout two months when this first happened. Where did he move to? Had not heard this before. Not to be nit-picky, but IIRC the girlfriend's name is Mallory.

[mu8shark]

I wonder if this Hoover guy is really going to hold a press conference Monday like he says. I think someone on here had an excellent guess as to why Leonard said in November, ' Don't be surprised if the FBI says they found the body." I noticed Leonard said that Hoover told him they had and were going to go and get it and when Dominic Casey said Leonard was lying about that, Leonard said to ask the FBI agent and he would back him up. I bet Leonard told the FBI agent thinking the FBI would look into it. And that is why he made that statement on Nancy Grace. I can't find the post where somebody mentioned this but good guess I bet.

[One2Snoop]

I am not suprised that Lee is having financial problems. He was off work aout two months when this first happened. Where did he move to? Had not heard this before. Not to be nit-picky, but IIRC the girlfriend's name is Mallory.

He moved back home. I posted article earlier today.

Friday George Anthony spoke off camera with FOX 35 about a few things he said we could share.
VIDEO: George Anthony speaks out Anthony said he can't drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.

Anthony said he is doing all right, at least as well as could be expected under the circumstances.

Lee, the Anthony’s son and brother to Casey, has moved back home to be with his parents.
snip
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes she is safe now. She was just visiting earth for a while and went home again. If I get too deep I'll see her short life as a visit and Caylee as a teacher who came to show us how evil people can be, and why the prophet said, "Suffer the children" There are a lot of WHY'S these days but this one is the most powerful of all I have ever asked. Why did Casey come into so many lives. Posthumously she had a message for all of us. I get so dumbfounded with this case and have to look somehwere else for answers. I don't know where else to look but up. I need a hagnog. I'll go get one now.. see ya later.
:(

From Kevin Beary's exit interview:

...[Criminals] have gotten much uglier and much more defiant out there over the years."...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/orl-beary0309jan03,0,4582976.story


LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
You girls are bad!!!!!!!!!!! Poppa won't let me play with you anymore, he says I'm drinking too much hagnog and wants to know why I keep taking my pj's off at dinner. I told him you two are making me do it. :-) He says you're piggies.

I'm going to get my Bailey's now.. err, ah,, hagnoggy. :seeya:

Poppa shouldn't ask so many questions! Especially when it comes to being nekkid!!

[browneyes106]

I am not suprised that Lee is having financial problems. He was off work aout two months when this first happened. Where did he move to? Had not heard this before. Not to be nit-picky, but IIRC the girlfriend's name is Mallory.

JD I get the impression that Cindy and George were supplying him with cars and money just the way they were with Casey. He's taking advantage of this situation. Like his lawyer told the world last week, the donations will be returned. (He spent the money inappropriately) I don't even want to get started on Lee. I can't stand the sight of him. He's a phony. He's the kind of conceited creep I feel like choking.

He moved back home. I posted article earlier today.

I agree Lee comes off as conceited. I have heard different stories about his job. I heard he did sales work and someone mentioned on NG that he has job where he travels with athletes. Does anyone know if he has a college education? Maybe Lee lived above his means and the Mustang he had looked expensive maybe it was girlfriend's car?

[lorettalockhorn]

JD I get the impression that Cindy and George were supplying him with cars and money just the way they were with Casey. He's taking advantage of this situation. Like his lawyer told the world last week, the donations will be returned. (He spent the money inappropriately) I don't even want to get started on Lee. I can't stand the sight of him. He's a phony. He's the kind of conceited creep I feel like choking.

Is returning misappropriated funds good enough? Shouldn't Lee be prosecuted? And isn't Mallory's mother in charge of disbursement for one of the Caylee funds?

[One2Snoop]

Is returning misappropriated funds good enough? Shouldn't Lee be prosecuted? And isn't Mallory's mother in charge of disbursement for one of the Caylee funds?

Something else I must of missed :confused: - is there an article about Lee and the misappropiated funds?

Thanks. :seeya:

[Justice Denied?]

Remember in the video of the Ants visiting Casey when George called Casey "gorgeous", and Cindy leaned back against George in some sort of weird cuddle? Was that bizarre, or what?

hat was exactly what I recalled. It was like she was flaunting it in front of Casey or something. I think Cindy is very jealous of the attention George gives Casey. With good reason? I don't know!

[One2Snoop]

Jealousy seemed to consume Cindy and Casey's relationship - remember this?

http://i39.tinypic.com/2uojvw0.jpg

[Amy]

Now, we all agree that G&C were totally irresponsible in not having any information on their grandaughter's babysitter. I do not have children so I cannot be a good judge plus I'm on the obsession compulsive side so I'm suspicious about everything. If I had a child or grandchild being taken care of by a sitter, I would not want the sitter leaving the house with the child unless it was critical. I wouldn't want the sitter taking the child to parks, theme parks and to the beach. So many things can happen in a split second. I can't see how G&C did not question Caylee being taken to Tampa, the beach and theme parks by a baby sitter. East coast beaches in Central Florida can be very dangerous. We have riptides which have swept people out to sea.

Gator

P.S. I'm very proud that three years ago, my surfer nephew became a firefighter and in his first week on the job pulled three people out of a riptide. The man died but the two children lived. He was in the newspaper and received a commendation. :) You can imagine the looks he received as he was running down the beach tearing off his clothes to jump in the water. The following year he was picked to be in a beefcake firefighter calender.;)

My kids were in day care or had baby sitters. One baby sitter did take them places w/her and her family. I can tell ya, when they went to the "lake" I worried myself sick, cuz Son had a tendancy to go exploring, and I was sure they wouldn't be keeping a close eye on him. They also went to CO w/the family a couple of times. In the daycare, the only place kids went was to the pool, or to the Salvation Army day camp in the summer.

My mom, who lives and hour and a half away, knew the name of the person (or Daycare) taking care of my kids, the address and the phone number. So did my sister, who lived in the next town, about 6 miles away. And the nephew who lived with us. I don't recall their having to ASK me for that information, but since it has been 10 years or so, I can't remember. If my mom was in town, she would let me know, and she would sometimes pick the kids up (since I worked until 7) so they could spend some time together. If anything happened to me, they knew exactly where the kids were, how to contact the care provider.

I just CANNOT imagine NO ONE having that information!!! ESPECIALLY people who live in the same dadgum house!!!!

Bet your nephew makes you proud!!! Sounds like a good kid.

[Justice Denied?]

He moved back home. I posted article earlier today.

Thanks for answering. I asked the question before I read you article. Was out during the day and got behind.:)

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for answering. I asked the question before I read you article. Was out during the day and got behind.:)

no problem. :beer:

[sharlock]

I am not suprised that Lee is having financial problems. He was off work aout two months when this first happened. Where did he move to? Had not heard this before. Not to be nit-picky, but IIRC the girlfriend's name is Mallory.
Thanks JD, I felt I had it wrong as I typed it, recent articles indicate that Lee moved back into his parents home. Is he still with Mallory?

[One2Snoop]

Wait a minute! All ishe is guilty of is loving her?? I've never seen this but it's typical Cindy speak. She's not clueless. She's the star of the show!

This bugs me - IMO it seems so detached...

Who is now watching out for the little angel?

[lorettalockhorn]

Something else I must of missed :confused: - is there an article about Lee and the misappropiated funds?

Thanks. :seeya:

There are a couple (or few) articles about Luka and his statements about Lee in the news update thread. Found this on another board, but no link, so I'll LQQK around some more.

Florida Non Profit Corporation
CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FOUNDATION, INC.
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, GEORGE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, LEE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
PARKER, MALLORY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839
Title TD
PARKER, JODY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839

So it's not just Mallory's mother; Mallory herself is involved with the foundation.

Don't know how many of y'all own stocks, but when I get my proxy statement/voting instructions, the first thing I do is to look at the board of directors and how incestuous it is. If there is too much kinship; I vote NO to keep the board as is. Period.

[Amy]

Bizarre! :eek: How did we miss this? or maybe it was already posted and I'm the only one who missed it....


22 -YEAR-OLD GIRL WANTS TO BE LIKE CASEY ANTHONY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxVpsEklpw8&feature=related

I had read about that, but this tv report was more thorough. That boyfriend---for SIX MONTHS when he went by to see the baby, he was told the baby was with the nanny? He JUST got suspicious enough to demand that he get to see his baby? Wonder if he was paying child support, buying diapers and formula for the nonexistant baby?

[sharlock]

Lee is as full of chit as Casey. There is no doubt in my mind he plays a hugh role in the cover up and maybe even the murder.

I have to disagree there. The way Lee inserted himself into the investigation is not that strange because if it was my Sisters child I would do the same. Also he did not insert himself and then only give bits and pieces of info that painted his family in a good light, a lot of what he said was quite damning. Like Cindy I think intially he started off with good intentions and his heart in the right place to find Caylee, they were caught in a media storm and had very little chance to talk to Casey before the police arrived and it wasn't unreasonable for him or Cindy to believe Casey initially even though they both made it apparent they were suspicious. Family secrets coming out are what made Lee change imo. He is under a great deal of stress and now living withCindy who probably is still in denial and that imo is part of the expanation for him acting like an arse and taking down the memorial; the other reason was grief, when you lose someone you love you feel like you are in a bubble cut off from the rest of society who are carrying on for the most part like nothing has happened. In the Anthony's case though thye still must have this feeling of disconnect but also are reading how they don't love Caylee and are as guilty as Casey etc. He was angry, he wasn't thinking about the kindness that put up the memorial he was thinking about the hatred projected towards his family (right or wrong) and the fact that it was them who knew and loved Caylee best but now they have strangers who believe that they loved Caylee more even though they never knew her. He wanted his right to grieve acknowledged as more important than strangers and the memorial sent him off in a rage. That is just my opinion but I truly doubt there was real malice in any of his actions and I hope the family secrets do not prove him to be a real ass.

[Amy]

Yes mu, you're right. Do you remember the critical answer she gave when asked why Zanni would kidnap Casey and she said something about not being able to tell them now, but she would tell them when she was sure Caylee was safe, or some such? She left the door open to a forthcoming explanation as if there was one. I guess she thinks she's Paul Harvey.

And now,,,,for the rest of the story.......

I wonder if she has come up with the reason, it's been 5 1/2 months since she told them that. NOW, when Zanny can do no more harm to Caylee would be a good time to tell LE the reason, and perhaps a more complete TRUTHFUL pic of Zanny the Nanny so she can't do this to some other family. Oh, CRAP, there I go again, as tho there WAS a Zanny to begin with!!!! :flamemad: BUT, I would like to hear what she came up with. OTOH, maybe she never gave it another tho't, knowing there was no nanny.

O/T--HEY!!! the smiley things are all back on the screen today (well @ least for now!!!) They had been hanging out in the margins, @ least on my screen.

[One2Snoop]

There are a couple (or few) articles about Luka and his statements about Lee in the news update thread. Found this on another board, but no link, so I'll LQQK around some more.

Florida Non Profit Corporation
CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FOUNDATION, INC.
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, GEORGE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, LEE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
PARKER, MALLORY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839
Title TD
PARKER, JODY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839

So it's not just Mallory's mother; Mallory herself is involved with the foundation.

Don't know how many of y'all own stocks, but when I get my proxy statement/voting instructions, the first thing I do is to look at the board of directors and how incestuous it is. If there is too much kinship; I vote NO to keep the board as is. Period.

Thanks for the info Loretta - I remember reading Luka was representing Lee for possible obstruction charges but nothing to do with misappropriating funds - I did find this article that was posted here on Dec. 26th...

Could Lee Anthony face charges?
Last Edited: Friday, 26 Dec 2008, 10:59 PM EST
Created: Friday, 26 Dec 2008, 10:09 PM EST
ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -- Casey Anthony sits behind bars, charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie. Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges
VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donated money

"It's an ongoing investigation, so no one really knows where it's going to lead. Mr. Anthony, obviously wants his civil rights protected. Everyone involved in the case should have their rights covered when determining what the police can and can not do or should and should not expect from the witnesses involved in this case," said Luka.

Luka adds that neither Lee, nor George and Cindy Anthony, have been called as witnesses in the case, but they are preparing for just such a scenario.

For months, Lee Anthony has been conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee, looking into leads for other suspects, Luka told MyFoxOrlando.com.

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample. Luka describes his role an advisor to Lee, in determining what he should and should not say to investigators.

"For that reason, he feels at this point, now that the police are focusing completely on Casey, he wants to make sure that his own civil rights are protected," said Luka.


Luka: No improprieties with donated money

Luka wanted to put to rest any "cloud of impropriety and a cloud of rumor" surrounding donated money collected by Lee Anthony connected to the search for Caylee.

Since mid-July, when Caylee was first reported missing, thousands of dollars have been donated by strangers wanting to help locate the toddler. At one point, Lee was accused of using some of those funds inappropriately.

"There was no impropriety. There is a cloud of impropriety and a cloud of rumor that I think has been fueled by the non-expenditure of the funds, that has been following Mr. Anthony around," said Luka. "He wants to make it clear that no money has been improperly used."

Luka said financial statements from the fund were made public, linked to a memorial website in honor of Caylee. The Anthony Family has said those donations have paid for everything from flyers and t-shirts with Caylee's picture to helping Lee in his own investigation.

"Again, when this investigation first began, we the public did not know who was responsible for Casey's disappearance. Mr. Anthony was going under the assumption she was kidnapped. He investigated that angle first and foremost."

There is still money left in the Help Find Caylee Anthony, but Luka would not say how much. "As far as I know, the money will be returned to the senders or individulas who have paid it."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=676E5990D901408DB7948DB4976EDF50 ?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[sharlock]

Something else I must of missed :confused: - is there an article about Lee and the misappropiated funds?

Thanks. :seeya:
The article does not say that Lee missappropriated funds. I am not saying that he didn't but that we have no proof that he did either. This story came up at the same time the Anthony's were being said to have been trying to get money for Caylees funeral however anyone who donated could read that the money donated could not only be used to search for Caylee but also to pay for a funeral if she was found to be dead so in fact the family could and can use that money for a funeral if they want to. They have said they aren't going to because of the negative publicity and I hope they don't because it would be wrong in my mind legal or not. I really think that for a while Lee put his heart and soul into looking for Caylee and has now stopped because he knew KC was a liar. IMO he comes off as unpalatable now because he hasn't publicly admitted this and also because he is having trouble controlling his temper with all of the stress he is under. I wouldn't date him lol, but I am sure not ready to condemn him just yet.

Originally Posted by Danagher http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9150515#post9150515)
Yes she is safe now. She was just visiting earth for a while and went home again. If I get too deep I'll see her short life as a visit and Caylee as a teacher who came to show us how evil people can be, and why the prophet said, "Suffer the children" There are a lot of WHY'S these days but this one is the most powerful of all I have ever asked. Why did Casey come into so many lives. Posthumously she had a message for all of us. I get so dumbfounded with this case and have to look somehwere else for answers. I don't know where else to look but up. I need a hagnog. I'll go get one now.. see ya later.
:(

When I was a child Danagher that proverb 'Suffer little children to come unto me' scared me half to death and it wasn't until I was an adult that I found out that God didn't mean little kids should or would suffer but that it was the olden days way of saying 'Come to me little children' because they are the pure ones and I beleive that that is exactly where Caylee is now she has goneto God who will love her as he does all little children.:rose:RIP Caylee

[Amy]

I agree Lee comes off as conceited. I have heard different stories about his job. I heard he did sales work and someone mentioned on NG that he has job where he travels with athletes. Does anyone know if he has a college education? Maybe Lee lived above his means and the Mustang he had looked expensive maybe it was girlfriend's car?

He impressed me negatively in the video where he removes that woman's sign. Speaking softly, but CONFIDENTLY, and telling her he knew more about the law than the police officers!!! HAH!!!!! SCUM!!!!!! I think if I had been that lady, I would have impressed HIM negatively!!! Made sure it was on video that he fools no one about his ignorance of the law (that had JUST been settled by the dadgum JUDGE, for Pete's sake!!!!)

[sharlock]

Tell me who was jealous of who?

Goodnight pals. I'll see your midnight drunkalog posts in the morning with my cawffee! :)

:seeya:
Night Danagher!:seeya:

[javahog]

Now, we all agree that G&C were totally irresponsible in not having any information on their grandaughter's babysitter. I do not have children so I cannot be a good judge plus I'm on the obsession compulsive side so I'm suspicious about everything. If I had a child or grandchild being taken care of by a sitter, I would not want the sitter leaving the house with the child unless it was critical. I wouldn't want the sitter taking the child to parks, theme parks and to the beach. So many things can happen in a split second. I can't see how G&C did not question Caylee being taken to Tampa, the beach and theme parks by a baby sitter. East coast beaches in Central Florida can be very dangerous. We have riptides which have swept people out to sea.

Gator

P.S. I'm very proud that three years ago, my surfer nephew became a firefighter and in his first week on the job pulled three people out of a riptide. The man died but the two children lived. He was in the newspaper and received a commendation. :) You can imagine the looks he received as he was running down the beach tearing off his clothes to jump in the water. The following year he was picked to be in a beefcake firefighter calender.;)

I have a toddler and a new baby. No one watches them but me, the daddy, and my mom, and I watch those two pretty close:D... The thing is, if I did use a babysitter, which my ocd self would never do, and my mom complained or demanded info, I would tell her it was none of her business, so maybe the A's tried and she wouldn't tell them anything? Of course, if it was me, I would go all stalker and follow them one day, but I'm nutso as my DH can attest...

As for your nephew, he is a true hero! We are lucky there are people like him in the world, and its good to hear about a GOOD person in the midst of this dark event! Reminds us what the real world is like...:patriot:

[lorettalockhorn]

Nepotism is a no brainer. Smart lady is loretta! Incestuous is a good word for that motley crew. This is a sickening list. The whole case is sickening actually. I get madder every day. I'm half asleep and I'm mad. :mad:

If Jr. and Sr. put there heads together under the shade tree and invent a widget, form a corporation, and go public, I don't have a problem with them being on the board of directors of their company. But when they start dragging the wife and granny and the ex-uncle's masseuse's housekeeper's dog walker in, I get a little nervous. Especially if they're earning a pretty penny every time the board meets.

Anyway, I guess it's necessary for the Anthonys to have everyone who will speak to them and/or each other involved in The Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation Inc:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

[Amy]

Ahhh haa!! Poppa so puritanical.. ;)

I read the link about Beary. Good man, it seems. I don't know if the human condition has gotten any worse than it was when King Henry was lopping heads off. :shrug:

I guess I missed it all. Did he not run again, or did he lose the election?

[sharlock]

LOL ! NOW I feel better!:o Thanks :rose: I needed that!

And..while I may not be old as dirt yet, I suffer from terrible CRS, does that count??!!
What is CRS old_soul? It sounds painful and I hope for your sake it is not!

[mu8shark]

Thanks for the info Loretta - I remember reading Luka was representing Lee for possible obstruction charges but nothing to do with misappropriating funds - I did find this article that was posted here on Dec. 26th...

Could Lee Anthony face charges?
Last Edited: Friday, 26 Dec 2008, 10:59 PM EST
Created: Friday, 26 Dec 2008, 10:09 PM EST
ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -- Casey Anthony sits behind bars, charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie. Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges
VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donated money

"It's an ongoing investigation, so no one really knows where it's going to lead. Mr. Anthony, obviously wants his civil rights protected. Everyone involved in the case should have their rights covered when determining what the police can and can not do or should and should not expect from the witnesses involved in this case," said Luka.

Luka adds that neither Lee, nor George and Cindy Anthony, have been called as witnesses in the case, but they are preparing for just such a scenario.

For months, Lee Anthony has been conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee, looking into leads for other suspects, Luka told MyFoxOrlando.com.

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample. Luka describes his role an advisor to Lee, in determining what he should and should not say to investigators.

"For that reason, he feels at this point, now that the police are focusing completely on Casey, he wants to make sure that his own civil rights are protected," said Luka.


Luka: No improprieties with donated money

Luka wanted to put to rest any "cloud of impropriety and a cloud of rumor" surrounding donated money collected by Lee Anthony connected to the search for Caylee.

Since mid-July, when Caylee was first reported missing, thousands of dollars have been donated by strangers wanting to help locate the toddler. At one point, Lee was accused of using some of those funds inappropriately.

"There was no impropriety. There is a cloud of impropriety and a cloud of rumor that I think has been fueled by the non-expenditure of the funds, that has been following Mr. Anthony around," said Luka. "He wants to make it clear that no money has been improperly used."

Luka said financial statements from the fund were made public, linked to a memorial website in honor of Caylee. The Anthony Family has said those donations have paid for everything from flyers and t-shirts with Caylee's picture to helping Lee in his own investigation.

"Again, when this investigation first began, we the public did not know who was responsible for Casey's disappearance. Mr. Anthony was going under the assumption she was kidnapped. He investigated that angle first and foremost."

There is still money left in the Help Find Caylee Anthony, but Luka would not say how much. "As far as I know, the money will be returned to the senders or individulas who have paid it."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=676E5990D901408DB7948DB4976EDF50 ?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1 What does that phrase mean? To me that could be a trip to Jackonville for some fun and then he could claim he was looking for Caylee clues. Lee should never have been given any of the money in my opinion. It was not his job to quote do his own investigation and if the family really thought she was alive, there is no telling what he spent it on in pursuit of his own investigation. Pfftt!! And this quote stuck out to me as well, Luka describes his role an advisor to Lee, in determining what he should and should not say to investigators. Shouldn't he just tell the truth period and not keep some stuff to himself. I think the whole family and the truth are strangers.!

[Amy]

I didn't know Mallroy's mother was involved. Must have missed that one. Don't tell me there are more like the Anthonys and wouldn't it not surprise me if he attracted a nutso family. Now we have A mallory in the mix.

I'm stupidifed!

Cindy set up a Caylee Anthony Foundation. The board of directors include Mallory Park (can't remember if it's Park or Parks) AND her mother (Judy? Geesh!!! Talk about CRS!!!!) is the one who wrote the introduction on the web site, and money donated is to be directed to her. The three other directors are Cindy, George and Lee. IIRC.

[One2Snoop]

What is CRS old_soul? It sounds painful and I hope for your sake it is not!

LOL - I hope its nothing serious either but I did find this...

1. CRS disease
This is a disease where you can't remember chit.
- Do you have CRS disease or something?
- What's CRS disease?
- It's a disease where you can't remember chit.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CRS+disease

[sharlock]

I am in st lou. and yes that can track every keystroke of your pc
I have heard of this but I thought it was similar to a phone tap and that it can not be used in retrospect but has to be on before the typing is done other wise they can bring up what you typed but only if they are looking in the right places and are searching using the right words? I am probably wrong but I thought that they can search the pc for searches and related sites but that because of the immense amount of info on a pc they search using specific word searches or dates though this is not as successful from what I have heard and also that it only shows where the search first took the person but doesn't show where they went from there if they did not use google? Maybe someone more informed than me could clarify this?

[lorettalockhorn]

Tell me who was jealous of who?

Goodnight pals. I'll see your midnight drunkalog posts in the morning with my cawffee! :)

:seeya:

Yeah. And she wrote that BEFORE she knew that Caylee had been kidnapped and that her daughter pulled the boneheaded move of investigating at Fusion and Cast Iron Tattoo Parlor on her own. :rolleyes: What must she think now?!

[Amy]

There are a couple (or few) articles about Luka and his statements about Lee in the news update thread. Found this on another board, but no link, so I'll LQQK around some more.

Florida Non Profit Corporation
CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FOUNDATION, INC.
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, GEORGE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, LEE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
PARKER, MALLORY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839
Title TD
PARKER, JODY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839

So it's not just Mallory's mother; Mallory herself is involved with the foundation.

Don't know how many of y'all own stocks, but when I get my proxy statement/voting instructions, the first thing I do is to look at the board of directors and how incestuous it is. If there is too much kinship; I vote NO to keep the board as is. Period.

Thanks for posting this. I would not have had a clue as to where to start looking for it. So, it's Parker, not Park or Parks, and Jody, not Judy--but I was close, kind of, lol.

I can't remember when this came out, but I do notice that Lee's address on this is the same as the A's. Hmmmm. Until recently, he wasn't even around, let alone seen @ the A's. Maybe it was because he was always gone for his investigations?

[One2Snoop]

I have heard of this but I thought it was similar to a phone tap and that it can not be used in retrospect but has to be on before the typing is done other wise they can bring up what you typed but only if they are looking in the right places and are searching using the right words? I am probably wrong but I thought that they can search the pc for searches and related sites but that because of the immense amount of info on a pc they search using specific word searches or dates though this is not as successful from what I have heard and also that it only shows where the search first took the person but doesn't show where they went from there if they did not use google? Maybe someone more informed than me could clarify this?

Every keystroke you make can be tracked by a computer forensic specialist. Using delete doesn't matter. You can attempt to overwrite your hard drive but they can usually figure out bits and pieces. Forensics and computers have come a long way - almost scary in some respects.

I just hope I'm never in the same position the Athony's are in because I'm certain 95% of my searches would come back to haunt me :eek: just because I follow many different types of cases - murders/disappearances etc.... :seeya: I'm innocent, I swear. :cool:

[mu8shark]

Yeah. And she wrote that BEFORE she knew that Caylee had been kidnapped and that her daughter pulled the boneheaded move of investigating at Fusion and Cast Iron Tattoo Parlor on her own. :rolleyes: What must she think now?! You know Loretta I can't help but be really curious what Cindy is thinking of Casey now. If she felt betrayed then, how does she feel since the body has been found? Are the Anthonys going do an about face and see the truth or are we going to hear a different version of the nanny did it? I would love to be a fly on the wall for their new interview whenever it is, if they get immunity that is. If they don't I guess they just let the lies stand.

[One2Snoop]

Yeah. And she wrote that BEFORE she knew that Caylee had been kidnapped and that her daughter pulled the boneheaded move of investigating at Fusion and Cast Iron Tattoo Parlor on her own. :rolleyes: What must she think now?!

Obviously she knew then something wasn't right - she should have listened to her gut instinct instead of waiting another 12 days before acting. JMO :mad:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for posting this. I would not have had a clue as to where to start looking for it. So, it's Parker, not Park or Parks, and Jody, not Judy--but I was close, kind of, lol.

I can't remember when this came out, but I do notice that Lee's address on this is the same as the A's. Hmmmm. Until recently, he wasn't even around, let alone seen @ the A's. Maybe it was because he was always gone for his investigations?

Link posted at #1195:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

Will someone puhleez tell me why Lee was necessary to the investigation? What qualifies him as an investigator? Is he less or more qualified than Hoover and/or D Casey?

[javahog]

Every keystroke you make can be tracked by a computer forensic specialist. Using delete doesn't matter. You can attempt to overwrite your hard drive but they can usually figure out bits and pieces. Forensics and computers have come a long way - almost scary in some respects.

I just hope I'm never in the same position the Athony's are in because I'm certain 95% of my searches would come back to haunt me :eek: just because I follow many different types of cases - murders/disappearances etc.... :seeya: I'm innocent, I swear. :cool:

lol! Thinking about it, I can't believe the freakish searches that would turn up on my stuff. I better hope no one in my family disappears and is found dead of a combination of hangman's fracture, syphilis, and stabbing with an icicle:chicken:

[One2Snoop]

Link posted at #1195:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

Will someone puhleez tell me why Lee was necessary to the investigation? What qualifies him as an investigator? Is he less or more qualified than Hoover and/or D Casey?

Doesn't the name Anthony "entitle" him? :shrug: LOL.

[sharlock]

I agree Lee comes off as conceited. I have heard different stories about his job. I heard he did sales work and someone mentioned on NG that he has job where he travels with athletes. Does anyone know if he has a college education? Maybe Lee lived above his means and the Mustang he had looked expensive maybe it was girlfriend's car?
As far as I am aware it was the mustang that was repo'd and it had been in his mums name but he was paying the repayments.

[sharlock]

Doesn't the name Anthony "entitle" him? :shrug: LOL.
Yep, I'd go along with that; like I said wild horses couldn't stop me from doing my own investigation if this happened in my family lol!

[javahog]

Obviously she knew then something wasn't right - she should have listened to her gut instinct instead of waiting another 12 days before acting. JMO :mad:

I wonder how many friends gave her advice to just give Casey some space. It sounds like the sort of batty advice a coffee clatch would toss at her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Every keystroke you make can be tracked by a computer forensic specialist. Using delete doesn't matter. You can attempt to overwrite your hard drive but they can usually figure out bits and pieces. Forensics and computers have come a long way - almost scary in some respects.

I just hope I'm never in the same position the Athony's are in because I'm certain 95% of my searches would come back to haunt me :eek: just because I follow many different types of cases - murders/disappearances etc.... :seeya: I'm innocent, I swear. :cool:

LMAO I was using my dinosaur computer the other day to search for news updates and typed in wfv.com instead of wftv.com and voila! it was all porn links. Not kidding. Do NOT try this at home. Now the people who track my puter usage will think I'm some dirty old man living in the rents' basement with a bad case of sticky keys. :hat:

Oh, and I hope and pray that nothing every happens to my beloved Ina and Jeffrey Garten, because I search everything about them!

[javahog]

Doesn't the name Anthony "entitle" him? :shrug: LOL.

Entitles him to...being discussed here!

[sharlock]

Every keystroke you make can be tracked by a computer forensic specialist. Using delete doesn't matter. You can attempt to overwrite your hard drive but they can usually figure out bits and pieces. Forensics and computers have come a long way - almost scary in some respects.

I just hope I'm never in the same position the Athony's are in because I'm certain 95% of my searches would come back to haunt me :eek: just because I follow many different types of cases - murders/disappearances etc.... :seeya: I'm innocent, I swear. :cool:
Thanks Snoop, well I better get packing my bags for Aruba or keep my fingers crossed that noone in my family dies an unnatural death lol. Seriously though they didn't bring up a lot of stuff off Casey's pc that I bet was there. Some info was lost I think and while those searches have come along way I bet the wiping programmes are progressing as well.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep, I'd go along with that; like I said wild horses couldn't stop me from doing my own investigation if this happened in my family lol!

Well, heck yeah. I consider myself qualified to investigate to a degree, and certainly with the help of LE. But to seemingly give up his job? Let his home and credit go to hell? And hide whatever he was doing from the OCSO? That makes zero sense.

And of course all this time, why wasn't everyone with the last name of Anthony on air begging for the safe return of Caylee instead of getting into shouting matches at JBP with Dennis Milford throwing his pervy weight around?

[mu8shark]

Yep, I'd go along with that; like I said wild horses couldn't stop me from doing my own investigation if this happened in my family lol! Actually I would do the opposite, I would let LE do the investigating because I know that they have resources that ordinary citizens just don't. I kind of think it odder than hell that Casey said she was trying to handle it on her own and think the jury will find that weird as well. An ordinary citizen does not have subpoena power for any type of personal records nor the ability to tail people properly. Probably if you got caught following someone too often these days you would be picked up for stalking.! I just can't think of many cases where people who have family disappear or kidnap don't contact the police and go off on their own. Casey's 30 day wait is going to kill her with the jury esp since if it weren't for Cindy she would probably have waited indefinitely.

[sharlock]

Just ignore that last post snoop, like you said they probably tried to write over the hard drive or something that would explain why the FBI got a lot but not all~duh, I think I need more sleep!

[javahog]

Thanks Snoop, well I better get packing my bags for Aruba or keep my fingers crossed that noone in my family dies an unnatural death lol. Seriously though they didn't bring up a lot of stuff off Casey's pc that I bet was there. Some info was lost I think and while those searches have come along way I bet the wiping programmes are progressing as well.

Good idea! While in Aruba, can you direct some of your special knowledge and skill at a certain young guy who hangs out at local bars and casinos? (Oh darn, isn't he in Thailand now?)

As for the pc, I will bet there is some truly fascinating things there we don't know about, and I would be shocked if she had a wiping program. If she did, they wouldn;t have found out the stuff we've already heard. Thing is, she was so prolific a computer nut, can you imagine what looking at every key stroke entails? It is like years of computer forensics to make it all useful...

[browneyes106]

As far as I am aware it was the mustang that was repo'd and it had been in his mums name but he was paying the repayments.

Lee got help from George and Cindy but he probably helped them out too.

[Amy]

Link posted at #1195:

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N08000009792&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=CAYLEEMARIEANTHONYFOUNDATION&names_filing_type=

Will someone puhleez tell me why Lee was necessary to the investigation? What qualifies him as an investigator? Is he less or more qualified than Hoover and/or D Casey?

Lee wasn't part of the official investigation. He was investigating on his own. His attorney said he was investigating the KIDNAPPING of Caylee (I guess, because LE was investigating the disappearance, murder of Caylee) altho I don't know what he REALLY was doing, as they knew Zanny the nanny was a made up story.

[Amy]

Her post gives me pangs everytime I read it. I guess I'm just feeling it/this differently than you guys. Yes, she's a @#$% for handling things the way she
did After calling LE....she's a lunatic! But this sounds like a person who is very sad. Truly.

While our many discussions bring out a lot of 'what if's' in this dysfunctional family, Cindy loved Caylee with all her heart. This post of hers captures the true essence of her spiteful daughter, and also tells of the amount of responsibility C & G had regarding caylee. Casey never owned up to being a mother...we know that. She threw Caylee in their laps willingly to have freedom. Hence, THE TRADEOFF. A child who runs to grandma & grandpa before her mom. Whose fault does it become? This was written July 3rd, right, so was it to make Casey feel guilty for not bringing Caylee around, or was she just speaking out loud, with sadness? She knew Casey would still do what the He** she wanted to do. She also knew her daughter was a spiteful @#$%!...because her daughter was just like her ~ and she knew it.

Interesting, but did anyone catch on NG the transcripts/video repeats for the past couple of days ~ George talks about when Caylee was born, the nurses cleaned her up, and handed the baby to Cindy. He said that Casey didn't react too well to that, and could be what began of the 'problems'.

This Myspace post and her frantic 911 call, in full, are very sad indeed.

MHO..........:shrug:
* I see it also says 'last updated July 16th'..........(?)

I'm betting the A's problems w/Casey started long before Caylee was born. As for the baby being handed to Cindy before Casey, it happens a lot. Where I work, most of the docs give the mom a chance to have the baby on the abdomen right after birth. Then the baby goes to the warmer to be stabilized. When it is time for the baby to go to mom, whomever is in the room (usually the father of the baby, but he wasn't present for Caylee's birth) takes the baby from the warmer to mom. Since FOB wasn't there, the likely candidate to do that would be Cindy.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lee wasn't part of the official investigation. He was investigating on his own. His attorney said he was investigating the KIDNAPPING of Caylee (I guess, because LE was investigating the disappearance, murder of Caylee) altho I don't know what he REALLY was doing, as they knew Zanny the nanny was a made up story.

Yes, I know all that. What I want to know is, what qualifies him to investigate anything? How is he any more qualified to look for Caylee than Casey was? From what I can tell, none of these people can find their own asses with both hands! What does Lee really, really think people are going to think he was doing all those months?

[mu8shark]

Lee wasn't part of the official investigation. He was investigating on his own. His attorney said he was investigating the KIDNAPPING of Caylee (I guess, because LE was investigating the disappearance, murder of Caylee) altho I don't know what he REALLY was doing, as they knew Zanny the nanny was a made up story.Maybe he was using the dough to visit places where Zanny supposedly had contacts and was being a tourist! What a skeptic I have become!

[sharlock]

LOL - I hope its nothing serious either but I did find this...

1. CRS disease
This is a disease where you can't remember chit.
- Do you have CRS disease or something?
- What's CRS disease?
- It's a disease where you can't remember chit.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CRS+disease


OK old-soul I do suffer from the above debilitating disease but I was in a bit of a panic for a while there because I was too lazy to change the page to look back further and had been doing my own research lol and thought you might be referring to this one
Chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS)
anyway I have heard that vitamin B is a help so maybe we should add that to the hagnog. What do ya think?:beer:

[sharlock]

Maybe he was using the dough to visit places where Zanny supposedly had contacts and was being a tourist! What a skeptic I have become!
I might be assigning to much of my own thought processes onto Lee but I feel that he suspected but didn't know that Caylee wasn't with Zanny. He had his mother in hes ear about the friends being Zanny which would have taken a fair bit of time with little to no resources to rule out and I think he was truly looking for Caylee dead or alive. He just wanted her found and I have always thought that he was trying to get Casey to trust him enough to lead him to her. A full time job in itself. If he did as I suspect hold even the slightest bit of hope Caylee was alve then time was of the essense as too much had already past and job/car payments be damned I would have been looking for her too.

[sharlock]

I wonder how many friends gave her advice to just give Casey some space. It sounds like the sort of batty advice a coffee clatch would toss at her.
You are absolutely spot on here Java, I have a sister similar to Casey now though she was awesome when she was younger. I remember when she made a text threat that she would kill her daughter because she had upset her(that doesn't take much). Anyway the next day her younger son who she lost custody of to the father a few years back was due to arrive. I was panic stricken. I rang her best freind to try and find out where she was because she wasn't answering her mob. and I was scared for her son to turn up if she was in that state of mind. This friend and many others told me that I was overreacting and that they would talk to her when they could (What next week I thought?). Simply they don't know her the way I do, they don't realise how vindictive she can be because she hides this side from them. They had never had to sit there listening to her threaten to take both children and gas them in a car with her because she didn't want her son to be taken. It goes on and on. Long story short though the police even though they have a file as thick as the phone book on how unstable she is suicide attempts attacks you name it are helpless to do anything, freinds who don't see this side of her can't beleive or imagine it and family who knows her are scared chitless of her. As usual I was the bbaddy for ringing the Dad and suggesting it was not a good time to let her son visit but I would do it again in a heart beat and thankgod I didn't listen to the coffee club advice because I know I saved that child from emotional trauma at the very least.

[sharlock]

Her post gives me pangs everytime I read it. I guess I'm just feeling it/this differently than you guys. Yes, she's a @#$% for handling things the way she
did After calling LE....she's a lunatic! But this sounds like a person who is very sad. Truly.

While our many discussions bring out a lot of 'what if's' in this dysfunctional family, Cindy loved Caylee with all her heart. This post of hers captures the true essence of her spiteful daughter, and also tells of the amount of responsibility C & G had regarding caylee. Casey never owned up to being a mother...we know that. She threw Caylee in their laps willingly to have freedom. Hence, THE TRADEOFF. A child who runs to grandma & grandpa before her mom. Whose fault does it become? This was written July 3rd, right, so was it to make Casey feel guilty for not bringing Caylee around, or was she just speaking out loud, with sadness? She knew Casey would still do what the He** she wanted to do. She also knew her daughter was a spiteful @#$%!...because her daughter was just like her ~ and she knew it.

Interesting, but did anyone catch on NG the transcripts/video repeats for the past couple of days ~ George talks about when Caylee was born, the nurses cleaned her up, and handed the baby to Cindy. He said that Casey didn't react too well to that, and could be what began of the 'problems'.

This Myspace post and her frantic 911 call, in full, are very sad indeed.

MHO..........:shrug:
* I see it also says 'last updated July 16th'..........(?) July 3rd is the day she signed up ~ it's her first post.

No I agree with you totally old_soul! Good post:beer:

[sharlock]

Good idea! While in Aruba, can you direct some of your special knowledge and skill at a certain young guy who hangs out at local bars and casinos? (Oh darn, isn't he in Thailand now?)

As for the pc, I will bet there is some truly fascinating things there we don't know about, and I would be shocked if she had a wiping program. If she did, they wouldn;t have found out the stuff we've already heard. Thing is, she was so prolific a computer nut, can you imagine what looking at every key stroke entails? It is like years of computer forensics to make it all useful...

Ha ha! If her pc habits were anything like her mobile habit then it would be amazing that they found what they did. Yeah I think the little putz has gone to live the high life in Thailand makes you sick doesn't it!

[sharlock]

Where did everybody go?:confused: Maybe I need a shower?
Anyhow I don't mind talking to myself, I've actually been pretty lucky lately to get to post with others because everyone is usually sleeping when us Aussies come online.
All this talk about Lee has got me thinking. I do think Lee's heart was in the right place initially and that he spnt those funds searching for Caylee BUT my gut tells me those family secrets he is hiding are huge. Why could he be done for aiding and abetting?
For him to be charged with aiding and abetting he must be guilty of a crime either as a principal perpetrator or as an aider and abettor.
Aiding and abetting applies to someone who assists in or facilitates the doing of a crime. To be held accountable as an aider and abettor, you must know of the criminal objective and do something to make it succeed. So, if you drive your friend to a meeting where you know your friend is going to rob a bank, you may be an aider and abettor in a bank robbery.
If he had no knowledge of the crime though and he did something that helped Casey then he really couldn't be charged could he?
For example. If he wiped the computer the night he went to Tony's because he knew that there was something pertaining to the family secrets on it then it wouldn't be the same as if he had done it because he thought there might be proof Casey killed Caylee on it. You'd think he might still get in trouble for interfering with an investigation though.?
To decide though whether that theory has any basis though you would think the family secrets about himself would have to be pretty huge to even warrant him being that concerned hey. Soooo once again I am taken back to the possibility that he could be Caylees Daddy and even his own attorney has done nothing but further these allegations. I mean if that attorney had really made a mistake and just innocently misspoken then don't you think he would have been on CNN or NG by now saying that those allegations are just ridiculous and he simply spoke in error? Even more telling if Lee was not the Daddy and LP has been shown to go online to support this allegation wouldn't Lee be suing the pants off him?
I think this is the reason that the animosity towards Lee has increased online as well but most don't want to put their suspicions into words. Has anyone seen anyone publicly denying that Lee is Caylees father? I would be very curious to see if there has been any.

[tv]

Her post gives me pangs everytime I read it. I guess I'm just feeling it/this differently than you guys. Yes, she's a @#$% for handling things the way she
did After calling LE....she's a lunatic! But this sounds like a person who is very sad. Truly.

While our many discussions bring out a lot of 'what if's' in this dysfunctional family, Cindy loved Caylee with all her heart. This post of hers captures the true essence of her spiteful daughter, and also tells of the amount of responsibility C & G had regarding caylee. Casey never owned up to being a mother...we know that. She threw Caylee in their laps willingly to have freedom. Hence, THE TRADEOFF. A child who runs to grandma & grandpa before her mom. Whose fault does it become? This was written July 3rd, right, so was it to make Casey feel guilty for not bringing Caylee around, or was she just speaking out loud, with sadness? She knew Casey would still do what the He** she wanted to do. She also knew her daughter was a spiteful @#$%!...because her daughter was just like her ~ and she knew it.

Interesting, but did anyone catch on NG the transcripts/video repeats for the past couple of days ~ George talks about when Caylee was born, the nurses cleaned her up, and handed the baby to Cindy. He said that Casey didn't react too well to that, and could be what began of the 'problems'.

This Myspace post and her frantic 911 call, in full, are very sad indeed.

MHO..........:shrug:
* I see it also says 'last updated July 16th'..........(?) July 3rd is the day she signed up ~ it's her first post.

Thanks, old soul, for expressing exactly the way I feel about Cindy Anthony. I want to strangle her most of the time but I think she loved Caylee very much and wanted her daughter to grow up and be a good mother. Someone close to me is in a similar situation as Cindy and George so I see it from that perspective. She's obviously nearly hysterical during the 911 call -- something Casey has yet to be over the disappearance and death of her daughter. I just wish she'd be honest about Casey's true nature and stop covering and making excuses for her. To me, that's the worst thing she's done in all this.

[Gatordog]

Now, we all agree that G&C were totally irresponsible in not having any information on their grandaughter's babysitter. No matter ~ we could tell...you'd be great! plus I'm on the obsession compulsive side so I'm suspicious about everything. If I had a child or grandchild being taken care of by a sitter, I would not want the sitter leaving the house with the child unless it was critical. I wouldn't want the sitter taking the child to parks, theme parks and to the beach. So many things can happen in a split second. I can't see how G&C did not question Caylee being taken to Tampa, the beach and theme parks by a baby sitter. East coast beaches in Central Florida can be very dangerous. We have riptides which have swept people out to sea.

Gator

P.S. I'm very proud that three years ago, my surfer nephew became a firefighter and in his first week on the job pulled three people out of a riptide. The man died but the two children lived. He was in the newspaper and received a commendation. :) You can imagine the looks hreceived as he was running down the beach tearing off his clothes to jump in the water. The following year he was picked to be in a beefcake firefighter calender.;)
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(oops) Where's the calendar, how old is he, and is he available????????????:D:o

I think the calendar was from 2006. It was for an animal resue organization in south Florida. He's 26 and just got engaged on Christmas Eve to an assistant district attorney. I'll scan in the pic from the calendar. I do have another nephew who is 25 and in his third year of medical school. He's single, tall, black hair and a smile that can just melt ice. :D

[Woostock]

My son is a physician and did his residency in a pediatric ER in a large city. He said the things that happen to children, either intentionally or through carelessness are unbelievable. He is still an ER physician, but not in a pediatric ER.

[deputydi]

Her post gives me pangs everytime I read it. I guess I'm just feeling it/this differently than you guys. Yes, she's a @#$% for handling things the way she
did After calling LE....she's a lunatic! But this sounds like a person who is very sad. Truly.

While our many discussions bring out a lot of 'what if's' in this dysfunctional family, Cindy loved Caylee with all her heart. This post of hers captures the true essence of her spiteful daughter, and also tells of the amount of responsibility C & G had regarding caylee. Casey never owned up to being a mother...we know that. She threw Caylee in their laps willingly to have freedom. Hence, THE TRADEOFF. A child who runs to grandma & grandpa before her mom. Whose fault does it become? This was written July 3rd, right, so was it to make Casey feel guilty for not bringing Caylee around, or was she just speaking out loud, with sadness? She knew Casey would still do what the He** she wanted to do. She also knew her daughter was a spiteful @#$%!...because her daughter was just like her ~ and she knew it.

Interesting, but did anyone catch on NG the transcripts/video repeats for the past couple of days ~ George talks about when Caylee was born, the nurses cleaned her up, and handed the baby to Cindy. He said that Casey didn't react too well to that, and could be what began of the 'problems'.

This Myspace post and her frantic 911 call, in full, are very sad indeed.

MHO..........:shrug:
* I see it also says 'last updated July 16th'..........(?) July 3rd is the day she signed up ~ it's her first post.
I feel exactly the same way you do. I wish she had made better choices from the very beginning, but I have NO doubt she loved Caylee with her whole heart. If she could turn back the clock, I believe her decisions would be very different and she's probably beating herself up over the realization that things she didn't do regarding Casey may have contributed to Caylee's death. Cindy has to live with this and this will be her punishment.

[deputydi]

I understand what you mean OS and I also feel those pangs. But I think IMO that the pangs are a measure of our own compassion for others. We probably can't help but expect Cindy to be in some sort of normal range. What I got out of the second read was, "She took my property because she was jealous of it." She never mentions the fact that Caylee was not her child, it was Casey's. Children are not circus acts that are born to bring dysfunctional grandmothers "unconditional love." Caylee was not a widget or a prop. She was a helpless little baby born to a mother whose own mother was never taught proper mothering skills. If Cindy were in normal range, she would have said, "What have I done?" She was passing the buck all the way through board. She's beating on the spilt milk. I'm trying, honestly! I want to throw my pearls before her, but I just can't.

Good mornin, got my coffee here and still trying to figure this all out.
Do you really believe that Cindy considered Caylee her "property"? I don't see it that way. Children bond with the person who makes them feel loved and secure. IMO, that was Cindy. Casey, to me, seemed more like a big sister than a mother. I always thought that Casey considered Caylee a cute little toy to haul around when it was convenient for her but she let Cindy deal with the "mothering" part of Caylee's care. She wasn't about to let the "little snothead" interfere with her social life.

I truly believe that prior to Caylee's body being found, Cindy had to believe there was a chance she was alive. It's the only way she could survive and, if Caylee was alive, she wouldn't have to accept the fact that her own daughter had done something so unspeakable. IMO she has kept such a low profile because she now knows the truth and can't deny the facts any longer. Can you even imagine how devasting that must be?

[lorettalockhorn]

Where did everybody go?:confused: Maybe I need a shower?
Anyhow I don't mind talking to myself, I've actually been pretty lucky lately to get to post with others because everyone is usually sleeping when us Aussies come online.
All this talk about Lee has got me thinking. I do think Lee's heart was in the right place initially and that he spnt those funds searching for Caylee BUT my gut tells me those family secrets he is hiding are huge. Why could he be done for aiding and abetting?
For him to be charged with aiding and abetting he must be guilty of a crime either as a principal perpetrator or as an aider and abettor.
Aiding and abetting applies to someone who assists in or facilitates the doing of a crime. To be held accountable as an aider and abettor, you must know of the criminal objective and do something to make it succeed. So, if you drive your friend to a meeting where you know your friend is going to rob a bank, you may be an aider and abettor in a bank robbery.
If he had no knowledge of the crime though and he did something that helped Casey then he really couldn't be charged could he?
For example. If he wiped the computer the night he went to Tony's because he knew that there was something pertaining to the family secrets on it then it wouldn't be the same as if he had done it because he thought there might be proof Casey killed Caylee on it. You'd think he might still get in trouble for interfering with an investigation though.?
To decide though whether that theory has any basis though you would think the family secrets about himself would have to be pretty huge to even warrant him being that concerned hey. Soooo once again I am taken back to the possibility that he could be Caylees Daddy and even his own attorney has done nothing but further these allegations. I mean if that attorney had really made a mistake and just innocently misspoken then don't you think he would have been on CNN or NG by now saying that those allegations are just ridiculous and he simply spoke in error? Even more telling if Lee was not the Daddy and LP has been shown to go online to support this allegation wouldn't Lee be suing the pants off him?
I think this is the reason that the animosity towards Lee has increased online as well but most don't want to put their suspicions into words. Has anyone seen anyone publicly denying that Lee is Caylees father? I would be very curious to see if there has been any.

RE: Mr. Luka's unfortunate "slip of the tongue" about Lee's "daughter", I think he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't try to explain it away, so he's better off for the time being not saying anything. And I'm thinking that the next time the camera and mic is pointed at him, he'll have notes or a prepared statement.

As for whatever charges may be brought against him, it's interesting that Luka says whatever Lee did was unwitting; doesn't sound like that would be prosecutable. Lee's got problems with the fund monies; my understanding is that he could be prosecuted. And it would seem to me that whoever signed checks should be prosecuted too, if there was mismanagement. There's no telling what Lee may have done to interfere in LE's investigation. It could have started when he went to pick up Casey's things and continued up to the day that Luka was hired. I'm hoping that LE had someone watching Lee's movements all this time.

[deputydi]

RE: Mr. Luka's unfortunate "slip of the tongue" about Lee's "daughter", I think he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't try to explain it away, so he's better off for the time being not saying anything. And I'm thinking that the next time the camera and mic is pointed at him, he'll have notes or a prepared statement.

As for whatever charges may be brought against him, it's interesting that Luka says whatever Lee did was unwitting; doesn't sound like that would be prosecutable. Lee's got problems with the fund monies; my understanding is that he could be prosecuted. And it would seem to me that whoever signed checks should be prosecuted too, if there was mismanagement. There's no telling what Lee may have done to interfere in LE's investigation. It could have started when he went to pick up Casey's things and continued up to the day that Luka was hired. I'm hoping that LE had someone watching Lee's movements all this time.
I don't know about the level of Lee's involvement. I can't make up my mind if I think he was involved in anything illegal. If he did something "unwitting", ignorance of the law is no defense and should be prosecuted. A jury may take into consideration that his intentions were good and didn't know what he did was illegal but he can still be prosecuted.

You are absolutely right about silence being their best friend right now. Anything Lee says will be interpreted 100 different ways -- he is truly in a no win situation. He and his attorney have decided not to dignify the rumors with any kind of response. That is smart.

[Amy]

Maybe he was using the dough to visit places where Zanny supposedly had contacts and was being a tourist! What a skeptic I have become!

Maybe so--after all, Casey spent her investigation time @ the nightclubs and Zanny didn't show up there. SO, I guess the next logical move WOULD be checking out places she traveled to!!! :chicken:

[Amy]

You are absolutely spot on here Java, I have a sister similar to Casey now though she was awesome when she was younger. I remember when she made a text threat that she would kill her daughter because she had upset her(that doesn't take much). Anyway the next day her younger son who she lost custody of to the father a few years back was due to arrive. I was panic stricken. I rang her best freind to try and find out where she was because she wasn't answering her mob. and I was scared for her son to turn up if she was in that state of mind. This friend and many others told me that I was overreacting and that they would talk to her when they could (What next week I thought?). Simply they don't know her the way I do, they don't realise how vindictive she can be because she hides this side from them. They had never had to sit there listening to her threaten to take both children and gas them in a car with her because she didn't want her son to be taken. It goes on and on. Long story short though the police even though they have a file as thick as the phone book on how unstable she is suicide attempts attacks you name it are helpless to do anything, freinds who don't see this side of her can't beleive or imagine it and family who knows her are scared chitless of her. As usual I was the bbaddy for ringing the Dad and suggesting it was not a good time to let her son visit but I would do it again in a heart beat and thankgod I didn't listen to the coffee club advice because I know I saved that child from emotional trauma at the very least.

It's gotta be tough on your family to have to deal w/this. And especially tough when family is the only people who SEE and KNOW what she can do. Cuz, you all are the ones who look like nuts to the outside world, not her.

Thankfully, the only tug of wars I know of, the moms just threaten to keep the kids away from the grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc. And, some do. The one who lived in my house for a while--She always goes back to her mom or her dad, altho it's been since August since DD and I have seen her little girl. She has issues, but they are different than the ones I think abounded in the A home.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know about the level of Lee's involvement. I can't make up my mind if I think he was involved in anything illegal. If he did something "unwitting", ignorance of the law is no defense and should be prosecuted. A jury may take into consideration that his intentions were good and didn't know what he did was illegal but he can still be prosecuted.

You are absolutely right about silence being their best friend right now. Anything Lee says will be interpreted 100 different ways -- he is truly in a no win situation. He and his attorney have decided not to dignify the rumors with any kind of response. That is smart.

You know, unless the jury (whether it's in the Caylee trial, or regarding any charges brought against Lee separately) can see the tips that Lee followed, see his itinerary, understand his timetable and work schedule, and be convinced that Lee was any more qualified to search for Caylee (dead or alive) than Casey, Kidfinders, Hoover, D Casey, etc. ad infinitum, I don't think they'll buy his schtick.

[Amy]

Where did everybody go?:confused: Maybe I need a shower?
Anyhow I don't mind talking to myself, I've actually been pretty lucky lately to get to post with others because everyone is usually sleeping when us Aussies come online.
All this talk about Lee has got me thinking. I do think Lee's heart was in the right place initially and that he spnt those funds searching for Caylee BUT my gut tells me those family secrets he is hiding are huge. Why could he be done for aiding and abetting?
For him to be charged with aiding and abetting he must be guilty of a crime either as a principal perpetrator or as an aider and abettor.
Aiding and abetting applies to someone who assists in or facilitates the doing of a crime. To be held accountable as an aider and abettor, you must know of the criminal objective and do something to make it succeed. So, if you drive your friend to a meeting where you know your friend is going to rob a bank, you may be an aider and abettor in a bank robbery.
If he had no knowledge of the crime though and he did something that helped Casey then he really couldn't be charged could he?
For example. If he wiped the computer the night he went to Tony's because he knew that there was something pertaining to the family secrets on it then it wouldn't be the same as if he had done it because he thought there might be proof Casey killed Caylee on it. You'd think he might still get in trouble for interfering with an investigation though.?
To decide though whether that theory has any basis though you would think the family secrets about himself would have to be pretty huge to even warrant him being that concerned hey. Soooo once again I am taken back to the possibility that he could be Caylees Daddy and even his own attorney has done nothing but further these allegations. I mean if that attorney had really made a mistake and just innocently misspoken then don't you think he would have been on CNN or NG by now saying that those allegations are just ridiculous and he simply spoke in error? Even more telling if Lee was not the Daddy and LP has been shown to go online to support this allegation wouldn't Lee be suing the pants off him?
I think this is the reason that the animosity towards Lee has increased online as well but most don't want to put their suspicions into words. Has anyone seen anyone publicly denying that Lee is Caylees father? I would be very curious to see if there has been any.

I guess what I have perceived Lee as doing was more accessory after the fact. But, I was also under the impression from news articles and posts @ the first of the case, that he did not live anywhere near the A's, that there had been a rift between him and George and hadn't even been @ the house for some time. For example, there were reports that he hadn't even seen Caylee for 1.5 years when this all went down.

Now, it seems he lived right around the block from the A's. And the problem was it seems Lee and Casey were on Cindy's side in her and George's separation. So, I don't know--had he been seeing, talking with Cindy, Casey and Caylee all along? If so, he would be able to answer the question as to how much time Casey actually spent taking care of Caylee. He would have to have known, even as much as his parents that Casey didn't have a job.

As for paternity, I must not have watched any of the shows where LP says publicly that Lee is Caylee's father. I had only read it on message boards. I didn't get to read the boards some days @ all, let alone watch NG, so missed the start up of the speculations. As for the A's and Casey--they have said their piece about who the FOB is, and for them to start jumping in and making a big deal about the Lee thing would only fan the fires, I would think. And, the attorney corrected himself--again, if THEY make a big deal about the slip, especially if it is in error, people would be climbing all over how they are CYA on the issue.

I, for one, think that we will hear no more from the A's about who Caylee's dad is. No matter WHO it is. If they truly do not know, we will never hear that from them, either. I think daddy who was never in her life but was killed in an accident on the way to her 2nd birthday party is as good as it's gonna get on that issue. I don't think Cindy will ever produce the obit from whatever drawer it was put in, either.

[tv]

Do you really believe that Cindy considered Caylee her "property"? I don't see it that way. Children bond with the person who makes them feel loved and secure. IMO, that was Cindy. Casey, to me, seemed more like a big sister than a mother. I always thought that Casey considered Caylee a cute little toy to haul around when it was convenient for her but she let Cindy deal with the "mothering" part of Caylee's care. She wasn't about to let the "little snothead" interfere with her social life.

I truly believe that prior to Caylee's body being found, Cindy had to believe there was a chance she was alive. It's the only way she could survive and, if Caylee was alive, she wouldn't have to accept the fact that her own daughter had done something so unspeakable. IMO she has kept such a low profile because she now knows the truth and can't deny the facts any longer. Can you even imagine how devasting that must be?

Agreed, deputydi. I think (and Cindy says in her myspace blog) that she thought Casey took Caylee to punish her. If Cindy thought that then it's obvious that Casey is a nasty, vindictive person. I wouldn't be surprised if Casey threatened to take Caylee and leave on a regular basis. I don't know what position she'll take about what happened to Caylee before this is all over but I believe she's known in her heart all along that Casey killed Caylee. I think she's in a hell that few people can imagine.

[Woostock]

Hind sight is always 20/20. Cindy needed to be more vigilant and she wasn't. Now she probably realizes the mistakes she made and she will have to live with that. I can't get over the fact that she didn't have more info on the "nanny" When I went back to work my son went to a sitter. I gave her number to both sets of grandparents, she had my school number, the doctor's number and I can remember trying to cover all the bases. My parents actually lived in another state and I still gave them the sitter's number, address, etc. I have a hard time with Caylee gone all day with a nanny and nobody has access to phone numbers, addresses, emergency numbers. I think a lot of things went by the wayside because Cindy and George took the path of least resistance and now they have to live with the repercussions. And why in the world did Casey need to have a nanny for Caylee when she did not even have a job...These are all very troubling aspects that the family has to live with...

[tv]

Hind sight is always 20/20. Cindy needed to be more vigilant and she wasn't. Now she probably realizes the mistakes she made and she will have to live with that. I can't get over the fact that she didn't have more info on the "nanny" When I went back to work my son went to a sitter. I gave her number to both sets of grandparents, she had my school number, the doctor's number and I can remember trying to cover all the bases. My parents actually lived in another state and I still gave them the sitter's number, address, etc. I have a hard time with Caylee gone all day with a nanny and nobody has access to phone numbers, addresses, emergency numbers. I think a lot of things went by the wayside because Cindy and George took the path of least resistance and now they have to live with the repercussions. And why in the world did Casey need to have a nanny for Caylee when she did not even have a job...These are all very troubling aspects that the family has to live with...

I guess my feeling is that Caylee was ultimately Casey's responsibility and the Anthony's couldn't imagine that she would actually harm her. Cindy seemed to be considering taking steps to get custody of Caylee. Without custody or proof that actual abuse was going on there was no way they could forbid Casey to take Caylee from the house or leave her with a nanny. Obviously, the nanny was non-existent so I'm sure Casey side-stepped any questions about her. I think it was George that said Caylee didn't seem to recognize the nanny's name when mentioned. I agree that they were wore blinders but I lay the blame for Caylee's death on no one but Casey. I agree that they took the path of least resistance which led to Casey being able to roll right over top of them. Just hearing some of the language that Casey used toward her parents shows that she had no respect for them even though in the jailhouse tapes she's crying that she only wants to be back with the family. They are guilty of spoiling her and tolerating her lies and manipulations -- whatever else they're guilty of they're paying for now.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hind sight is always 20/20. Cindy needed to be more vigilant and she wasn't. Now she probably realizes the mistakes she made and she will have to live with that. I can't get over the fact that she didn't have more info on the "nanny" When I went back to work my son went to a sitter. I gave her number to both sets of grandparents, she had my school number, the doctor's number and I can remember trying to cover all the bases. My parents actually lived in another state and I still gave them the sitter's number, address, etc. I have a hard time with Caylee gone all day with a nanny and nobody has access to phone numbers, addresses, emergency numbers. I think a lot of things went by the wayside because Cindy and George took the path of least resistance and now they have to live with the repercussions. And why in the world did Casey need to have a nanny for Caylee when she did not even have a job...These are all very troubling aspects that the family has to live with...

Gee, if Zanny had been a brand new babysitter and Cindy didn't know anything about her, that would be one thing. But for Zanny to have sat with Caylee for going on two years and there never having been any contact is unbelievable. Of course responsible parents, grandparents AND babysitters exchange information.

My impression at this time (and subject to change) is that when Caylee was out of Cindy's sight, she was out of mind.

[Amy]

Hind sight is always 20/20. Cindy needed to be more vigilant and she wasn't. Now she probably realizes the mistakes she made and she will have to live with that. I can't get over the fact that she didn't have more info on the "nanny" When I went back to work my son went to a sitter. I gave her number to both sets of grandparents, she had my school number, the doctor's number and I can remember trying to cover all the bases. My parents actually lived in another state and I still gave them the sitter's number, address, etc. I have a hard time with Caylee gone all day with a nanny and nobody has access to phone numbers, addresses, emergency numbers. I think a lot of things went by the wayside because Cindy and George took the path of least resistance and now they have to live with the repercussions. And why in the world did Casey need to have a nanny for Caylee when she did not even have a job...These are all very troubling aspects that the family has to live with...

I'm thinking that Cindy didn't NEED the nanny info, because, until Casey left the house w/Caylee, she (Caylee) was in the care of either George, Cindy or Casey. George was off work until about the time Casey left, as far as I can tell. And CIndy worked days, George's security job was an evening/night thing. Why would they sent the baby off to some nanny or sitter? I don't think they did. Cindy says she had "heard" of the nanny, she does NOT say that Caylee was in the CARE of the nanny. She might really have heard Casey mention Zanny the nanny, seeing as how, in 2006, Casey had told Mr Grund that is who would be watching Caylee. IMO, once the chit hit the fan, and Casey was talking about the nanny, Cindy just went along w/it.

I just have trouble w/their stories all over the place. I am one who does NOT think that George and Cindy really tho't Casey had a job. Especially a job that one would think would bring in a fairly good salary, it's not like an "event planner" would be bringing home the paycheck of a McDonald's employee, or of a "photographer" @ a Colorvision kiosk. So, I don't think there was any need of a nanny, not when they lived w/the A's, and not when she went on the "vacation" to "bond" w/Caylee. So, we harangue @ Cindy about not having the nanny info, when, because there WAS no nanny, there was no need to get that info. Cindy made a pretty big gaffe when she acknowledged the nanny story.

[Amy]

OK old-soul I do suffer from the above debilitating disease but I was in a bit of a panic for a while there because I was too lazy to change the page to look back further and had been doing my own research lol and thought you might be referring to this one
Chronic rhinosinusitis (CRS)
anyway I have heard that vitamin B is a help so maybe we should add that to the hagnog. What do ya think?:beer:

I have CRS AND "old timers disease" these days. I turned on the tv and on truTV, there was some show, not a trial. I'm thinking--goodness, I figured after the 1st, they would resume trials, they must be taking a long vacation!!! It took me a minute to realize today is SUNDAY--the holidays always screw up the progression of days. I tho't yesterday was Monday, and then today is Monday-----:punch: By next week, perhaps all the days will resume their proper order and all I will have to worry about is writing 2009!!! (Altho, the other day, I dated something 2004, so that may be a losing battle, lol.)

[javahog]

Dunno what she's thinking now if she thinks at all beyond her own self undoing. I know this: A Grandmothers roll is to bake cookies, oversee pride in her daughter's gifts and be there if she is needed. I have a slue of grandchildren and they are all around Caylee's age. They are the loves of my life, but I have no say in their doings. I respect their mother's an never give them permission to do anything except play with Nonnie. I've had them in my care part time since they were 3 months old. They love to come to my house. They grew up with me knowing that their mommy's are the boss, not Nonnie.

(I have several negotiators in the clan)

Nonnie can I have soda?
No, your mommy doesn't allow that.
Nonnie can we go to the beach?
When Mommy comes home, you ask because she's the boss.
But Nawn! She won't be mad if we go!
Nope, I'm the Nonnie, Mommy is the boss.
But, Nawn!
Sorry, she's the boss!
But,,
How about we make muffins, that's more fun than the beach!
How about tomorrow? Can we go to the beach and have soda tomorrow?
Ahhhh, nope, not unless you ask your mommy!
But why?
Because God gave you to mommy and she's the boss, boss, boss. I'm jsut the Nonnie and nonnie's are not the boss of you.
Are you the boss of poppa?
Yes!

So let's hear it! Who is the boss of you? MOMMY!!!!! In sinc, all 5 little girls sing it loud!

:)


Can I adopt you?!

I can't believe the stuff my mom lets my 3 year old get into when she watches him. Miha, can I play with the butcher knife? Oh, of course you can, just don't tell mommy...if David wants it David gets it, no apologies at all. Aaargh!

[javahog]

Do you really believe that Cindy considered Caylee her "property"? I don't see it that way. Children bond with the person who makes them feel loved and secure. IMO, that was Cindy. Casey, to me, seemed more like a big sister than a mother. I always thought that Casey considered Caylee a cute little toy to haul around when it was convenient for her but she let Cindy deal with the "mothering" part of Caylee's care. She wasn't about to let the "little snothead" interfere with her social life.

I truly believe that prior to Caylee's body being found, Cindy had to believe there was a chance she was alive. It's the only way she could survive and, if Caylee was alive, she wouldn't have to accept the fact that her own daughter had done something so unspeakable. IMO she has kept such a low profile because she now knows the truth and can't deny the facts any longer. Can you even imagine how devasting that must be?

I'm with you. I wonder if Caylee didn't feel safe with Casey for a reason?

I also agree that Cindy thought there was a chance. I actually held out a 1% chance that Casey might have sold Caylee or something, so I can imagine that a desperate grandmother would have even more hope than that (can you imagine your only hope being that your daughter SOLD your grandchild instead of KILLED her?). No hope now, and the truth has to be clear to her. I feel very bad for her. We all make mistakes, and most of us are lucky there isn't a perfect storm of mistakes that result in something like this. As for her not coming out and making public statements, I'll bet she is spending much of her time face down on the floor of Caylee's room sobbing. I might be wrong, but I betcha...The future is pretty clear to me (puts on turban): Caylee is dead, Casey will go to prison forever, George and Cindy will break up, and Lee is on his own. Their lives are all destroyed, I think...

[One2Snoop]

Hind sight is always 20/20. Cindy needed to be more vigilant and she wasn't. Now she probably realizes the mistakes she made and she will have to live with that. I can't get over the fact that she didn't have more info on the "nanny" When I went back to work my son went to a sitter. I gave her number to both sets of grandparents, she had my school number, the doctor's number and I can remember trying to cover all the bases. My parents actually lived in another state and I still gave them the sitter's number, address, etc. I have a hard time with Caylee gone all day with a nanny and nobody has access to phone numbers, addresses, emergency numbers. I think a lot of things went by the wayside because Cindy and George took the path of least resistance and now they have to live with the repercussions. And why in the world did Casey need to have a nanny for Caylee when she did not even have a job...These are all very troubling aspects that the family has to live with...

What's even more damning IMO is Casey didn't even have the nanny's number. :rolleyes:

[javahog]

I'm thinking that Cindy didn't NEED the nanny info, because, until Casey left the house w/Caylee, she (Caylee) was in the care of either George, Cindy or Casey. George was off work until about the time Casey left, as far as I can tell. And CIndy worked days, George's security job was an evening/night thing. Why would they sent the baby off to some nanny or sitter? I don't think they did. Cindy says she had "heard" of the nanny, she does NOT say that Caylee was in the CARE of the nanny. She might really have heard Casey mention Zanny the nanny, seeing as how, in 2006, Casey had told Mr Grund that is who would be watching Caylee. IMO, once the chit hit the fan, and Casey was talking about the nanny, Cindy just went along w/it.

I just have trouble w/their stories all over the place. I am one who does NOT think that George and Cindy really tho't Casey had a job. Especially a job that one would think would bring in a fairly good salary, it's not like an "event planner" would be bringing home the paycheck of a McDonald's employee, or of a "photographer" @ a Colorvision kiosk. So, I don't think there was any need of a nanny, not when they lived w/the A's, and not when she went on the "vacation" to "bond" w/Caylee. So, we harangue @ Cindy about not having the nanny info, when, because there WAS no nanny, there was no need to get that info. Cindy made a pretty big gaffe when she acknowledged the nanny story.

I've been thinking along the same lines about Zanni the Phantom Nanny...it has occurred to me that the request for immunity might come from falsely confirming the existence of Zanni. Since Cindy wanted police to look for a "live" Caylee, debunking the Zanni story would have led LE down a path CA didn't want them to go. Of course, they went there anyway...

[tv]

Some of us have different opinions about the degree of Cindy and George's involvement/responsibility but I think most of us agree that Casey is a lying POS. :cuss:

[Woostock]

TV Dinner
I agree with you. Casey was not easy to live with and they took the path of least resistance. I see cases like this a lot as a teacher. The parents shrug their shoulders and let the kids do as they please and I have only second grade students! I try to tell the parents they better get control now or they will never have it but most really don't listen. The teachers who have older students complain how many of the students run the show at home and the parents have lost control.
You are right that whatever happened to Caylee was the doings of her mother and she is to blame and will suffer the consequences of her actions.

[tv]

TV Dinner
I agree with you. Casey was not easy to live with and they took the path of least resistance. I see cases like this a lot as a teacher. The parents shrug their shoulders and let the kids do as they please and I have only second grade students! I try to tell the parents they better get control now or they will never have it but most really don't listen. The teachers who have older students complain how many of the students run the show at home and the parents have lost control.
You are right that whatever happened to Caylee was the doings of her mother and she is to blame and will suffer the consequences of her actions.

Woostock, you're a teacher? My hat's off to you! I have so much admiration for people that choose to work with children. I can't even imagine some of the situations you run across. I think one of the biggest problems today is lack of accountability and responsibility of parents...the problems it creates are far reaching and have an effect on all of society.

[javahog]

TV Dinner
I agree with you. Casey was not easy to live with and they took the path of least resistance. I see cases like this a lot as a teacher. The parents shrug their shoulders and let the kids do as they please and I have only second grade students! I try to tell the parents they better get control now or they will never have it but most really don't listen. The teachers who have older students complain how many of the students run the show at home and the parents have lost control.
You are right that whatever happened to Caylee was the doings of her mother and she is to blame and will suffer the consequences of her actions.

It is so true about parents not being in control! We are really very strict because of what you describe. Our neighbors are not, and their little boy is truly scary and violent. Even in ones own family...my MIL says every child is born a little Buddha and should never be told "no" (funny, my hubby remembers hearing the word no when he was a kid). I imagine those are the kids you have scaring you in class, huh?

[javahog]

Some of us have different opinions about the degree of Cindy and George's involvement/responsibility but I think most of us agree that Casey is a lying POS. :cuss:

:beer:

I think the reason we are talking about everyone BUT her is because we're all on the same page there...I never thought I'd see someone I thought less of than Scott Peterson, but as QuiGonn Jinn said, "there's always a bigger fish"

[Woostock]

yes, I am a teacher. I teach in an inner city school and the job is very difficult. Many of the parents just let the kids do whatever they want and it really shows in the classroom.
I am in an elementary school that only goes to fourth grade. That used to be the ideal situation as far as I was concerned..but society has changed. The first week of school last year, a THIRD grade student walked into a classroom, took the laptop and put it in his school bag...his mistake was it was noticed missing and nobody left until all bags were checked. If he had done it at the end of the day he would have been in the clear. His parents said there wasn't much they could do about it....Yikes.
So really nothing surprises me.

[Gatordog]

There are a couple (or few) articles about Luka and his statements about Lee in the news update thread. Found this on another board, but no link, so I'll LQQK around some more.

Florida Non Profit Corporation
CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY FOUNDATION, INC.
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
ANTHONY, CYNTHIA M
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, GEORGE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
ANTHONY, LEE A
4937 HOPESPRING DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32829
Title D
PARKER, MALLORY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839
Title TD
PARKER, JODY
5612 PARKDALE DRIVE
ORLANDO FL 32839

So it's not just Mallory's mother; Mallory herself is involved with the foundation.

Don't know how many of y'all own stocks, but when I get my proxy statement/voting instructions, the first thing I do is to look at the board of directors and how incestuous it is. If there is too much kinship; I vote NO to keep the board as is. Period.

I just remembered, back a few months ago there was some question as to whether the fund was being used properly and Sun Trust bank closed it down. They refused to accept any additional money into the account until it was investigated. About three day later a lawyer for the family reopened the fund and reinstated it somewhere other than a bank.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Gee, if Zanny had been a brand new babysitter and Cindy didn't know anything about her, that would be one thing. But for Zanny to have sat with Caylee for going on two years and there never having been any contact is unbelievable. Of course responsible parents, grandparents AND babysitters exchange information.

My impression at this time (and subject to change) is that when Caylee was out of Cindy's sight, she was out of mind.

Geez Loretta, you're right about one thing here and it never dawned on me before. The only person who has said there was a sitter for two years is the Liar! Up until June 15, Cindy and George mostly took care of Caylee. Before that, a family friend who was a neighbor often sat for Caylee. She was on NG a few times and said she sat for Caylee until she moved. It's quite possible that C&G didn't think there was a sitter until June 16 when the Liar took off and starts mentioning the sitter. Since there was hardly any communication, they couldn't get any info. C&G could have covered up the lies about a sitter to put the police search in that direction, hence the need for immunity.

Gator

I'm editing this because as I'm catching up on posts, Amy pretty much said the same thing earlier.

[Gatordog]

Agreed, deputydi. I think (and Cindy says in her myspace blog) that she thought Casey took Caylee to punish her. If Cindy thought that then it's obvious that Casey is a nasty, vindictive person. I wouldn't be surprised if Casey threatened to take Caylee and leave on a regular basis. I don't know what position she'll take about what happened to Caylee before this is all over but I believe she's known in her heart all along that Casey killed Caylee. I think she's in a hell that few people can imagine.

TVdinner, she's going to be in that hell everyday for the rest of her life.

Gator

[javahog]

I just remembered, back a few months ago there was some question as to whether the fund was being used properly and Sun Trust bank closed it down. They refused to accept any additional money into the account until it was investigated. About three day later a lawyer for the family reopened the fund and reinstated it somewhere other than a bank.

Gator

"...somewhere other than a bank."

Now that's reassuring, isn't it?

[deputydi]

I guess my feeling is that Caylee was ultimately Casey's responsibility and the Anthony's couldn't imagine that she would actually harm her. Cindy seemed to be considering taking steps to get custody of Caylee. Without custody or proof that actual abuse was going on there was no way they could forbid Casey to take Caylee from the house or leave her with a nanny. Obviously, the nanny was non-existent so I'm sure Casey side-stepped any questions about her. I think it was George that said Caylee didn't seem to recognize the nanny's name when mentioned. I agree that they were wore blinders but I lay the blame for Caylee's death on no one but Casey. I agree that they took the path of least resistance which led to Casey being able to roll right over top of them. Just hearing some of the language that Casey used toward her parents shows that she had no respect for them even though in the jailhouse tapes she's crying that she only wants to be back with the family. They are guilty of spoiling her and tolerating her lies and manipulations -- whatever else they're guilty of they're paying for now.
You are absolutely right. Everyone knows now that there was no "nanny" but Casey had to keep up the pretense of trotting off to her non-existent job every day. I'd like to know what she did every day and if Caylee was with her while she was doing whatever. It's possible that she coordinated her "hours" with when G & C were both at work and she never actually left the house -- or, left and came back as soon as she knew both parents were gone. :shrug: I remember her saying in one of her interviews that she did a lot of "work" from her home. I hope the trial clears up this part of the mystery.

[Gatordog]

I go back and forth on my opinion and yours. It' all too easy to lay blame when I am feeling this way. I respect your take on it. I just don't know how Cindy could trust Casey with Caylee, knowing her the way she did. If Casey was the big sister, and Cindy knew her to be a liar, why take a chance? It appears to me that Cindy was hoping that her fears were false. She sold out on hope and gave Casey the benefit of the doubt instead of protecting the thing she loved. IMO it was all pride based.

No I can't imagine how devastating it must be because it couldn't happen to me. Objectively, and from the side lines, it looks more awful than hell.

I guess we have to keep in mind that supposedly Cindy did confront Casey with her concerns about her stealing and lying and the result is Casey took off. Cindy learned more during the 30 days casey was gone and had no idea where she was and wanted her to bring Caylee home. If C&G had called the police, they probably would not have considered her missing and C&G had no legal claim to Caylee.

Gator

[javahog]

You are absolutely right. Everyone knows now that there was no "nanny" but Casey had to keep up the pretense of trotting off to her non-existent job every day. I'd like to know what she did every day and if Caylee was with her while she was doing whatever. It's possible that she coordinated her "hours" with when G & C were both at work and she never actually left the house -- or, left and came back as soon as she knew both parents were gone. :shrug: I remember her saying in one of her interviews that she did a lot of "work" from her home. I hope the trial clears up this part of the mystery.

Caylee was getting to an age where she could start to coherently tell people what she did each day. That must have been a concern for you-know-who. Its hard to lie when an innocent child will chatter. I fear that "Zenaida" was the trunk of the car when it suited her...

[deputydi]

I can't believe the stuff my mom lets my 3 year old get into when she watches him. Miha, can I play with the butcher knife? Oh, of course you can, just don't tell mommy...if David wants it David gets it, no apologies at all. Aaargh!
I'm sure the butcher knife example is an exaggeration but I get your point. I have seven grandsons -- most of whom don't need babysitters anymore. I, too, found myself indulging them on the rare occasion I got to babysit. Only one of my three children live within frequent visiting distance (60 miles away). The other two are vacation visitors (Jacksonville area). I envied my friends who had grandchildren living close by and actually had daily contact with them. So, I indulged mine within reason.

I don't think that makes me a bad Grammy.

[deputydi]

Caylee was getting to an age where she could start to coherently tell people what she did each day. That must have been a concern for you-know-who. Its hard to lie when an innocent child will chatter. I fear that "Zenaida" was the trunk of the car when it suited her...

Yes, I thought of that too. This would have worked just fine when Caylee was an infant, but now that she was talking clearly, it would present a real problem for Casey.

[deputydi]

I guess we have to keep in mind that supposedly Cindy did confront Casey with her concerns about her stealing and lying and the result is Casey took off. Cindy learned more during the 30 days casey was gone and had no idea where she was and wanted her to bring Caylee home. If C&G had called the police, they probably would not have considered her missing and C&G had no legal claim to Caylee.

Gator
That's exactly what I've thought all along. The posters who are coming down so hard on G & C have to realize that a phone call to 911 during that first 30 days would have done absolutely no good. They had no reason to believe that any harm had come to Caylee and when she left, she was with her mother. They had contact with Casey during that time and were frustrated that Casey wouldn't allow them to talk to Caylee. They had no reason at all to suspect foul play -- just the aggrivation of dealing with a selfish, inconsiderate brat of a daughter. LE couldn't have done a thing.

[Spider]

Hello all!! I am back in NC from our trip to the Greenbrier River in WV. Nice snow. For all of you sick of snow I am sorry but I LOVE it.

Anyhooo.........I am wondering this. If, while Liar had Caylee with her after the "Big Fight" with Cindy and left and Caylee was crying for her 'Nonnie' over and over, wanting to go home to her since obviously Cindy was more of a parent to Caylee, perhaps that was the reason for the duct tape. To shut her up. Liar, so incompetant as a Mother but so jealous of Cindy's bond with Caylee that she just could not stand it. I still believe she has planned something like this in advance and it just happened sooner than she thought.

I also agree with several folks theory that Liar planned to disappear also but just got busted before she was prepared to vanish. I have noticed that NO info has been released by LE about any conversations with the military dude in CA.

If this has all been repeated, forgive me. I have been in the boondocks since the 1st.

Spider...missing the snow. (I know spiders don't like snow, at least mine don't. They like heat lamps. Perhaps I should ship them to someone in Florida where the climate is more suited for them.)

[lorettalockhorn]

That's exactly what I've thought all along. The posters who are coming down so hard on G & C have to realize that a phone call to 911 during that first 30 days would have done absolutely no good. They had no reason to believe that any harm had come to Caylee and when she left, she was with her mother. They had contact with Casey during that time and were frustrated that Casey wouldn't allow them to talk to Caylee. They had no reason at all to suspect foul play -- just the aggrivation of dealing with a selfish, inconsiderate brat of a daughter. LE couldn't have done a thing.

Disagree. Cindy had reason (supposedly) to speak to a therapist either about Casey's behavior or the family dysfunction in general or something that caused the therapist to advise that she attempt to gain custody. Something wasn't right and Cindy knew it and was able to convey that to the therapist and if she had asked LE to do a welfare check on Caylee, she should have been able to express her fears. Especially if she had been 100% honest about the situation/conditions under which Casey took Caylee and left. LE does welfare checks all the time, and issues BOLOs all the time. Casey was driving around all over Orlando and shouldn't have been too difficult to locate. If nothing else, she could have reported the car stolen (and George should know that). Even if/since Casey had permission to use the car, this would have been the time for G&C to lie to LE.

They let Caylee down by enabling Casey and pandering to her lowlife BS.

[Woostock]

Loretta
I was in the process of posting that info as well--re: therapist advising Cindy to get try to get custody. There was some reason for the therapist to advise her of that.
I think there's a lot more to this story.....we only know so much as to what really was going on....

[Gatordog]

Hello all!! I am back in NC from our trip to the Greenbrier River in WV. Nice snow. For all of you sick of snow I am sorry but I LOVE it.

Anyhooo.........I am wondering this. If, while Liar had Caylee with her after the "Big Fight" with Cindy and left and Caylee was crying for her 'Nonnie' over and over, wanting to go home to her since obviously Cindy was more of a parent to Caylee, perhaps that was the reason for the duct tape. To shut her up. Liar, so incompetant as a Mother but so jealous of Cindy's bond with Caylee that she just could not stand it. I still believe she has planned something like this in advance and it just happened sooner than she thought.

I also agree with several folks theory that Liar planned to disappear also but just got busted before she was prepared to vanish. I have noticed that NO info has been released by LE about any conversations with the military dude in CA.

If this has all been repeated, forgive me. I have been in the boondocks since the 1st.

Spider...missing the snow. (I know spiders don't like snow, at least mine don't. They like heat lamps. Perhaps I should ship them to someone in Florida where the climate is more suited for them.)

Welcome back spider and happy New year. Don't worry about repeating, there's always something new to ponder. Your thoughts about the tape area interesting and something I didn't think of.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Hello all!! I am back in NC from our trip to the Greenbrier River in WV. Nice snow. For all of you sick of snow I am sorry but I LOVE it.

Anyhooo.........I am wondering this. If, while Liar had Caylee with her after the "Big Fight" with Cindy and left and Caylee was crying for her 'Nonnie' over and over, wanting to go home to her since obviously Cindy was more of a parent to Caylee, perhaps that was the reason for the duct tape. To shut her up. Liar, so incompetant as a Mother but so jealous of Cindy's bond with Caylee that she just could not stand it. I still believe she has planned something like this in advance and it just happened sooner than she thought.

I also agree with several folks theory that Liar planned to disappear also but just got busted before she was prepared to vanish. I have noticed that NO info has been released by LE about any conversations with the military dude in CA.

If this has all been repeated, forgive me. I have been in the boondocks since the 1st.

Spider...missing the snow. (I know spiders don't like snow, at least mine don't. They like heat lamps. Perhaps I should ship them to someone in Florida where the climate is more suited for them.)

Glad you're home safe and sound! Gosh, I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone here, it's really cold and the sky looks like snow and the air smells like snow, but there is no snow in the forecast and supposedly it's 40°.

Something in your post just made me think that if this murder really was accidental, and if Casey had bound/gagged Caylee on numerous occasions using duct tape, it seems more likely than ever that there would be fingerprints or DNA on the tape found on Caylee's head(unless the water effed them up). Meaning if she'd done it before, she wouldn't have any reason to try to prevent leaving prints on the tape.

[Gatordog]

Disagree. Cindy had reason (supposedly) to speak to a therapist either about Casey's behavior or the family dysfunction in general or something that caused the therapist to advise that she attempt to gain custody. Something wasn't right and Cindy knew it and was able to convey that to the therapist and if she had asked LE to do a welfare check on Caylee, she should have been able to express her fears. Especially if she had been 100% honest about the situation/conditions under which Casey took Caylee and left. LE does welfare checks all the time, and issues BOLOs all the time. Casey was driving around all over Orlando and shouldn't have been too difficult to locate. If nothing else, she could have reported the car stolen (and George should know that). Even if/since Casey had permission to use the car, this would have been the time for G&C to lie to LE.

They let Caylee down by enabling Casey and pandering to her lowlife BS.

I've never known of OCSO doing any welfare checks for children especially when the child is with her mother. I've heard of welfare checks when someone doesn't show up for work and the police check the house. But for the most part, I think those calls are referred to children's services. Also due to shortge of funds, many times police don't even show up on the scene here in Orange County, they take the report over the phone. I honestly don't think any BOLO's would have been issued. She made daily contact with Cindy, George saw her in the house. There was nothing at the time to indicate that the Liar would do harm to Caylee. Now everyone knows what happened but probably would never have expected it.

My problem with C&G is how they reacted after the 30 days, not during the 30 days.

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[deputydi]

Loretta
I was in the process of posting that info as well--re: therapist advising Cindy to get try to get custody. There was some reason for the therapist to advise her of that.
I think there's a lot more to this story.....we only know so much as to what really was going on....
We don't even know what, if anything, the therapist advised her to do. She could have been complaining about Casey's lack of interest in being a mother to Caylee and the therapist MAY have said "if you feel that way maybe you should look into gaining full custody". I can't even remember where this business about the therapist came from. Is it in one of Cindy's statements to LE? Is is something George reported? How reliable is it? Is it something that has been blown out of proportion? I'd like to know in what context this statement was made and exactly what the therapist said.

As far as we know, Caylee wasn't abused. As far as we know, Caylee wasn't neglected. In all the videos we've seen she seems like a sweet, loving little girl. I am as certain as I can be that Cindy loved that child and never, ever suspected she was in any physical danger -- especially at the hands of her own mother.

Instead of blaming Cindy for things she didn't do that only seem critical in retrospect, blame the person who was directly responsible. You're right -- Cindy wasn't perfect. If she could go back in time, don't you think she would have made some very different decisions? It's too late for that, but SHE didn't murder Caylee. If she was clairvoyant and could see the danger Casey posed to Caylee, don't you think she would have protected her somehow? I can't believe you think she knew Caylee was in physical danger and just stood by doing nothing.

[lorettalockhorn]

I've never known of OCSO doing any welfare checks for children especially when the child is with her mother. I've heard of welfare checks when someone doesn't show up for work and the police check the house. But for the most part, I think those calls are referred to children's services. Also due to shortge of funds, many times police don't even show up on the scene here in Orange County, they take the report over the phone. I honestly don't think any BOLO's would have been issued. She made daily contact with Cindy, George saw her in the house. There was nothing at the time to indicate that the Liar would do harm to Caylee. Now everyone knows what happened but probably would never have expected it.

My problem with C&G is how they reacted after the 30 days, not during the 30 days.

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Well, I worked as and with caseworkers and LE for many many years, and I'm here to tell you that if Cindy had followed her gut instinct that something was wrong, she could have had someone at least look for Caylee. Especially after Casey kept feeding her cock and bull stories about where she was. I find it hard to believe that Orange County FL is so poor that they would have LE or CFS or someone helping a distraught grandmother. Of course, that might have entailed Cindy telling the truth about what went on in that hell house.

Also just want you to know that many people that I've talked to who know about this case but who don't even know how to turn on a computer are appalled at G&C's inaction and failure to protect Caylee. It's not just posters who condemn them.

[Gatordog]

IMO, Dominic Casey could not find his own butt in the dark with both hands.:cuss::cuss:

He was on WESH tonight and when he was asked if he now thought the Liar killed her daughter, he said absolutely not. She would never hurt anyone that's just not the kind of person she is.

This is not the kind of person G&C need right now. They need someone who will make them see the truth not drink the koolaid with them. They need to listen to someone like Mark Nejame who believed all along that the Liar was involved in her daughter's death. No more lies for crying out loud! Face facts and make the Liar responsible for her actions. Everyone has some responsibility in this tragedy; there's enough blame to go around for everyone and they should all start acting like adults. :flamemad:

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[lorettalockhorn]

We don't even know what, if anything, the therapist advised her to do. She could have been complaining about Casey's lack of interest in being a mother to Caylee and the therapist MAY have said "if you feel that way maybe you should look into gaining full custody". I can't even remember where this business about the therapist came from. Is it in one of Cindy's statements to LE? Is is something George reported? How reliable is it? Is it something that has been blown out of proportion? I'd like to know in what context this statement was made and exactly what the therapist said.

As far as we know, Caylee wasn't abused. As far as we know, Caylee wasn't neglected. In all the videos we've seen she seems like a sweet, loving little girl. I am as certain as I can be that Cindy loved that child and never, ever suspected she was in any physical danger -- especially at the hands of her own mother.

Instead of blaming Cindy for things she didn't do that only seem critical in retrospect, blame the person who was directly responsible. You're right -- Cindy wasn't perfect. If she could go back in time, don't you think she would have made some very different decisions? It's too late for that, but SHE didn't murder Caylee. If she was clairvoyant and could see the danger Casey posed to Caylee, don't you think she would have protected her somehow? I can't believe you think she knew Caylee was in physical danger and just stood by doing nothing.

As far as I can tell, Cindy was the head of household and is responsible for Casey's behavior. Please note that almost every time that anyone has posted about the therapist, they have used the word supposedly, or somehow indicated that there is at least a doubt that there is truth in the report that Cindy ever saw one, or received advice to get custody.

Not only do I think Cindy didn't do everything that she could to protect Caylee, I think she has lied about what happened. But that's just my opinion. And that of plenty of other people.

[lorettalockhorn]

IMO, Dominic Casey could not find his own butt in the dark with both hands.:cuss::cuss:

He was on WESH tonight and when he was asked if he now thought the Liar killed her daughter, he said absolutely not. She would never hurt anyone that's just not the kind of person she is.

This is not the kind of person G&C need right now. They need someone who will make them see the truth not drink the koolaid with them. They need to listen to someone like Mark Nejame who believed all along that the Liar was involved in her daughter's death. No more lies for crying out loud! Face facts and make the Liar responsible for her actions. Everyone has some responsibility in this tragedy; there's enough blame to go around for everyone and they should all start acting like adults. :flamemad:

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HAHAHA He's just trying to break The Daisy Chain!!

Seriously, it's pathetic how many Fidiots and Fcrooks this case has attracted.

[deputydi]

As far as I can tell, Cindy was the head of household and is responsible for Casey's behavior. Please note that almost every time that anyone has posted about the therapist, they have used the word supposedly, or somehow indicated that there is at least a doubt that there is truth in the report that Cindy ever saw one, or received advice to get custody.

Not only do I think Cindy didn't do everything that she could to protect Caylee, I think she has lied about what happened. But that's just my opinion. And that of plenty of other people.
Cindy is NOT the head of the household -- George is. Casey is an ADULT and she is responsible for her own behavior. Since Cindy "supposedly" saw a therapist, you are condemning her for something that may or may not have happened. I need more than that.

[Gatordog]

Well, I worked as and with caseworkers and LE for many many years, and I'm here to tell you that if Cindy had followed her gut instinct that something was wrong, she could have had someone at least look for Caylee. Especially after Casey kept feeding her cock and bull stories about where she was. I find it hard to believe that Orange County FL is so poor that they would have LE or CFS or someone helping a distraught grandmother. Of course, that might have entailed Cindy telling the truth about what went on in that hell house.

Also just want you to know that many people that I've talked to who know about this case but who don't even know how to turn on a computer are appalled at G&C's inaction and failure to protect Caylee. It's not just posters who condemn them.

February 6, 2007, I had a road rage incident. The light turned red in the turning lane and I stopped. The driver of the car behind me was furious that I stopped. When the light turned green he raced around me and cut me off. He then pulled off the road and I passed him but I kept on eye on him two cars behind me. I made some specific turns and he did the same. I knew I was being followed. I went into a parking lot and ended up getting stuck because a car was pulling into a spot. The guy got out of his car and proceeded to attack my car, I took off gunning the car. Luckily he ran after my car for a whole block so I was able to get a bit of a head start. I cut three lanes of traffic off and pulled into another lot that opened inmto another major road. I was able to lose him. I called the police, I had an excellent description of him and the car. If they looked at the videotape at Walgreens, they'd have the license plate number. Police never even showed up - just took a report over the phone. Said they were too busy to look for this guy even though he could have killed me.

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[Gatordog]

Cindy is NOT the head of the household -- George is. Casey is an ADULT and she is responsible for her own behavior. Since Cindy "supposedly" saw a therapist, you are condemning her for something that may or may not have happened. I need more than that.

Also, a therapist has the responsibility to notify authorities if the believe that someone is in physical danger. I don't think that anyone expected any physical assaults by the Liar.

[lorettalockhorn]

Cindy is NOT the head of the household -- George is. Casey is an ADULT and she is responsible for her own behavior. Since Cindy "supposedly" saw a therapist, you are condemning her for something that may or may not have happened. I need more than that.

George isn't even on the mortgage. As far as I can tell, Cindy is the head of the household; we've seen how she treats George (as well as the rest of the world who would have done anything to find Caylee alive or dead). Cindy allowed Casey to live in her house, and didn't hold her to the rules of adulthood. She is for that reason responsible to a degree for Casey's behavior. Really, all that any of us are doing here is conjecturing. All of us may be condemning any number of people for what may or may not have happened.

Of course I said supposedly. Who can believe 100% of what Cindy has said? She lies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Also, a therapist has the responsibility to notify authorities if the believe that someone is in physical danger. I don't think that anyone expected any physical assaults by the Liar.

Did the therapist actually witness abuse? Was this family therapy? Was Caylee a part of it? We don't know much about this therapist. (S)he may be a fig newton of Cindy's imagination.

And speaking of abuse, I've seen talk on other boards where people have enlarged photos of Caylee and nitpicked what appears to be bruising in some pix. (Not that toddlers don't come by bumps and bruised for any number of legitimate reasons.)

[lorettalockhorn]

February 6, 2007, I had a road rage incident. The light turned red in the turning lane and I stopped. The driver of the car behind me was furious that I stopped. When the light turned green he raced around me and cut me off. He then pulled off the road and I passed him but I kept on eye on him two cars behind me. I made some specific turns and he did the same. I knew I was being followed. I went into a parking lot and ended up getting stuck because a car was pulling into a spot. The guy got out of his car and proceeded to attack my car, I took off gunning the car. Luckily he ran after my car for a whole block so I was able to get a bit of a head start. I cut three lanes of traffic off and pulled into another lot that opened inmto another major road. I was able to lose him. I called the police, I had an excellent description of him and the car. If they looked at the videotape at Walgreens, they'd have the license plate number. Police never even showed up - just took a report over the phone. Said they were too busy to look for this guy even though he could have killed me.

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:shrug:@your anecdote.

[Gatordog]

Did the therapist actually witness abuse? Was this family therapy? Was Caylee a part of it? We don't know much about this therapist. (S)he may be a fig newton of Cindy's imagination.

And speaking of abuse, I've seen talk on other boards where people have enlarged photos of Caylee and nitpicked what appears to be bruising in some pix. (Not that toddlers don't come by bumps and bruised for any number of legitimate reasons.)

Don't know anything for sure about any therapist. For all we know it could have been casual talk in the coffee room.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, I'll give you that. But regardless of the laws, if I were Caylee's grandmother and knew the score on Casey, my part in Caylee's life and the potential danger the child was in, I'd have told her to go find suitable arrangements before she took one foot out of that house with caylee and if she argued, I'd have called the police and had her put away from robbing me, and her grandmother. If they did not arrest her and refused to leave Caylee with me, I'd tell the police that Caylee won't leave until I'm sure she has a home, food, and safe living arrangements and if the police didn't stop her from taking Caylee I'd have ended up in jail myself. No one woud have stopped me from keeping Caylee, unless they killed me. If all else failed I would have known I tried to protect a 2 year old. 22 year olds can take care of themselves. 31 days?? Cindy waited 31 days. Sadly, waiting one day was too long.

Neither one of those women have done anything for the greater good. IMO

All I have is a granddog, but I get your drift.

Always, always err on the side of caution with your kids, your neighbor's kids, the kids in the grocery store, kids in general. Be willing to make a jackass of yourself by overreacting to your instincts about how children are treated and provided for. Who doesn't know that? Even people who don't have a daughter that they've slapped the label of sociopath on know that or need to learn it.

Missed y'all's posts earlier about CRS (CSR?). I will be sooooooo happy when I can wake up knowing what day of the week it is. The holidays always disorient me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't anything for sure about any therapist. For all we know it could have been casual talk in the coffee room.

Me neither. And for all we know, Cindy will recant the talk of therapy. And will recant that she herself ever diagnosed Casey as sociopathic (or maybe the therapist did). I only asked because I wasn't aware that the supposed therapist had ever met Caylee or witnessed abuse to report.

[javahog]

February 6, 2007, I had a road rage incident. The light turned red in the turning lane and I stopped. The driver of the car behind me was furious that I stopped. When the light turned green he raced around me and cut me off. He then pulled off the road and I passed him but I kept on eye on him two cars behind me. I made some specific turns and he did the same. I knew I was being followed. I went into a parking lot and ended up getting stuck because a car was pulling into a spot. The guy got out of his car and proceeded to attack my car, I took off gunning the car. Luckily he ran after my car for a whole block so I was able to get a bit of a head start. I cut three lanes of traffic off and pulled into another lot that opened inmto another major road. I was able to lose him. I called the police, I had an excellent description of him and the car. If they looked at the videotape at Walgreens, they'd have the license plate number. Police never even showed up - just took a report over the phone. Said they were too busy to look for this guy even though he could have killed me.

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The cops aren't what they used to be here, either. A bit back I called because the guy down the street was actively beating on his woman yelling he was going to kill her, so I called. They sauntered over an hour later. Fortunately, he didn't...no thanks to them...

[Woostock]

"Always, always err on the side of caution with your kids, your neighbor's kids, the kids in the grocery store, kids in general."

While making home visits for early intervention in the summer, I sometimes have concerns about the kids. I always let DSS know and they always do a follow up to check out the situation. I did ask one of the social workers if they thought I was a pain in the neck and she said essentially what you said. She preferred me to make a mistake on the side of caution. I called LE one night when I went by a house that I was always concerned about and the LE DID
go to the house (apt) and the kids were alone. three yr old and a baby

[deputydi]

George isn't even on the mortgage. As far as I can tell, Cindy is the head of the household; we've seen how she treats George (as well as the rest of the world who would have done anything to find Caylee alive or dead). Cindy allowed Casey to live in her house, and didn't hold her to the rules of adulthood. She is for that reason responsible to a degree for Casey's behavior. Really, all that any of us are doing here is conjecturing. All of us may be condemning any number of people for what may or may not have happened.

Of course I said supposedly. Who can believe 100% of what Cindy has said? She lies.
Regardless of who is technically the head of the household, Casey is an adult and LEGALLY is responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter where she lives Cindy is not responsible for her.

I've been trying to think of what Cindy could have done and I'm coming up blank. I guess she could have reported the theft when she discovered Casey was stealing money from them. That would have done nothing but alienate Casey and probably would have prompted her to leave with her daughter earlier than she did -- but that has nothing to do with "protecting Caylee". The whole thing came to a head when Cindy discovered Casey was stealing from Cindy's father. That is what precipitated the blow out and caused Casey to leave the house. She was Caylee's mother and had every right to take HER child and go wherever she chose. Parents deny visitation with grandparents every day and it is their choice. If she called LE and said my daughter won't let me see or speak to my granddaughter, she would have been told to file the complaint in family court. LE absolutely won't get involved at this juncture. CPS won't get involved either -- the child (as far as anyone knew or suspected) wasn't in any danger. For all anyone knew Casey was being spiteful and wanting to hurt Cindy by removing the thing she cared about most. Tell me what Cindy should have reported and what anyone (LE or CPS) should have done LEGALLY.

At this stage of the story, it would have to go through legal chanels and that takes time. Casey had every right as the custodial parent to take her child and leave Cindy's home. No one -- NO ONE -- could have stopped her. If Cindy had reported a history of abuse and told LE that Caylee was in imminent danger, then something could have been done. She wasn't. Nobody could have predicted the baby would end up dead. No one, including Cindy, could have known that.

The "plenty of other people" you refer to are also making judgments about Cindy based on what we know now. We all have 20/20 vision.

[deputydi]

<snip>And speaking of abuse, I've seen talk on other boards where people have enlarged photos of Caylee and nitpicked what appears to be bruising in some pix. (Not that toddlers don't come by bumps and bruised for any number of legitimate reasons.)
I saw one photo where it was alleged Caylee had a bruise on her cheek. It looked like a shadow to me. It could have been a bruise but if one bruised cheek constitutes abuse, I'd have been in jail while my kids were growing up. My daughter was nicknamed "Klutzini" by her gymnastics coach.

[lorettalockhorn]

Regardless of who is technically the head of the household, Casey is an adult and LEGALLY is responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter where she lives Cindy is not responsible for her.

I've been trying to think of what Cindy could have done and I'm coming up blank. I guess she could have reported the theft when she discovered Casey was stealing money from them. That would have done nothing but alienate Casey and probably would have prompted her to leave with her daughter earlier than she did -- but that has nothing to do with "protecting Caylee". The whole thing came to a head when Cindy discovered Casey was stealing from Cindy's father. That is what precipitated the blow out and caused Casey to leave the house. She was Caylee's mother and had every right to take HER child and go wherever she chose. Parents deny visitation with grandparents every day and it is their choice. If she called LE and said my daughter won't let me see or speak to my granddaughter, she would have been told to file the complaint in family court. LE absolutely won't get involved at this juncture. CPS won't get involved either -- the child (as far as anyone knew or suspected) wasn't in any danger. For all anyone knew Casey was being spiteful and wanting to hurt Cindy by removing the thing she cared about most. Tell me what Cindy should have reported and what anyone (LE or CPS) should have done LEGALLY.

At this stage of the story, it would have to go through legal chanels and that takes time. Casey had every right as the custodial parent to take her child and leave Cindy's home. No one -- NO ONE -- could have stopped her. If Cindy had reported a history of abuse and told LE that Caylee was in imminent danger, then something could have been done. She wasn't. Nobody could have predicted the baby would end up dead. No one, including Cindy, could have known that.

The "plenty of other people" you refer to are also making judgments about Cindy based on what we know now. We all have 20/20 vision.

As far as I can tell since this story is in the public domain everyone who thinks or comments is making judgments. Have you not? Some people who are involved are off limits? Well, whatever. Cindy spawned this murderer, and I do feel sorry for her to some extent that it went as far as it did. Guess she'll think twice before ever wanting another grandchild to call her Mommy.

Cindy could have reported the monetary theft. Cindy could have forbade Casey from driving off in a car owned by the parent(s). She could have reported that car stolen. When Casey refused to produce Caylee she could have asked for a welfare check claiming that Casey had no way of supporting the child. G&C had to have known that Casey didn't have a job; no paycheck; no W2s, no income tax returns, and the need (or thrill) to steal. Cindy could have followed the advice of the therapist and filed suit for custody of Caylee based on whatever. Who knows when that supposedly even occurred. I've never seen anyone suggest that Cindy call LE and try to file a complaint about being denied visitation; she would have been told that that is a civil matter.

There is absolutely no telling what went on in that house with regard to abuse or who the actual perpetrator(s) was/were. And I reckon that if G&C don't get some sort of immunity, we'll never know.

[lorettalockhorn]

I saw one photo where it was alleged Caylee had a bruise on her cheek. It looked like a shadow to me. It could have been a bruise but if one bruised cheek constitutes abuse, I'd have been in jail while my kids were growing up. My daughter was nicknamed "Klutzini" by her gymnastics coach.

Not that gymnasts don't come by bumps and bruises for any number of legitimate reasons.

[javahog]

Regardless of who is technically the head of the household, Casey is an adult and LEGALLY is responsible for her own actions. It doesn't matter where she lives Cindy is not responsible for her.

I've been trying to think of what Cindy could have done and I'm coming up blank. I guess she could have reported the theft when she discovered Casey was stealing money from them. That would have done nothing but alienate Casey and probably would have prompted her to leave with her daughter earlier than she did -- but that has nothing to do with "protecting Caylee". The whole thing came to a head when Cindy discovered Casey was stealing from Cindy's father. That is what precipitated the blow out and caused Casey to leave the house. She was Caylee's mother and had every right to take HER child and go wherever she chose. Parents deny visitation with grandparents every day and it is their choice. If she called LE and said my daughter won't let me see or speak to my granddaughter, she would have been told to file the complaint in family court. LE absolutely won't get involved at this juncture. CPS won't get involved either -- the child (as far as anyone knew or suspected) wasn't in any danger. For all anyone knew Casey was being spiteful and wanting to hurt Cindy by removing the thing she cared about most. Tell me what Cindy should have reported and what anyone (LE or CPS) should have done LEGALLY.

At this stage of the story, it would have to go through legal chanels and that takes time. Casey had every right as the custodial parent to take her child and leave Cindy's home. No one -- NO ONE -- could have stopped her. If Cindy had reported a history of abuse and told LE that Caylee was in imminent danger, then something could have been done. She wasn't. Nobody could have predicted the baby would end up dead. No one, including Cindy, could have known that.

The "plenty of other people" you refer to are also making judgments about Cindy based on what we know now. We all have 20/20 vision.

I agree with your post. I don't think there was anything Cindy could have done that would have saved Caylee once they left that house, and likely not before. Casey held all the cards, she had all the power over Caylee. I believe Caylee was dead in less than 24 hours, anyway. And Casey had every legal right to take her daughter with her, and had done it on many occasions, and they always came back. Cindy thought the danger was her not seeing Caylee again, not that Caylee was in jeopardy.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have known for many years that even when someone adopts a dog they'd better show proof that they have good accommodations for that dog or they don't get it . Today's laws protect dogs and those who abuse them pay great penalties. It took Casey Anthony ONE DAY to annialate Caylee. I do not believe that Cindy did not know Caylee was in danger. The hell with her denial! Casey had no money, no job, no relationship with a decent man and no mothering skills. Where did she think the child would live... in the car? Casey had never shown that she had survival skills for herself, much less Caylee!

I rest my case.:mad:

My sister adopted a greyhound from the track in Memphis; the process was just about as grueling as what my bro and SIL have gone through to adopt their umpteen kids.

Now, if Arkansas would just adopt a felony animal abuse law I'd be much happier.

[lorettalockhorn]

I suppose we will see that therapist in court, if there was one.

Is there much that a therapist can say? Guess (s)he would have to have the permission of whomever was involved in the session(s). Or coffee clatch or whatever.

I just don't know what to make of Cindy's claim that she ever saw a therapist. She strikes me as the kind of woman who doesn't like to talk about what's really going on. It would seem to have to be a pretty big deal for her to even make an appointment for counseling.

[deputydi]

I suppose we will see that therapist in court, if there was one.

Don't count on it. Unless Cindy waives the doctor/patient privilege there isn't anything she can testify to.

[deputydi]

My sister adopted a greyhound from the track in Memphis; the process was just about as grueling as what my bro and SIL have gone through to adopt their umpteen kids.

Now, if Arkansas would just adopt a felony animal abuse law I'd be much happier.
I adopted two Papillons from a breed specific rescue group and I know how grueling the process is. I filled out a 3 page application, had a preliminary phone interview that lasted 1 1/2 hrs, and had a home visit. Once I was approved, I drove 5 hrs to Philly just to meet the dogs and see if we connected. Finally, I received the final approval and drove 5 hrs again to pick them up.

[deputydi]

I agree with your post. I don't think there was anything Cindy could have done that would have saved Caylee once they left that house, and likely not before. Casey held all the cards, she had all the power over Caylee. I believe Caylee was dead in less than 24 hours, anyway. And Casey had every legal right to take her daughter with her, and had done it on many occasions, and they always came back. Cindy thought the danger was her not seeing Caylee again, not that Caylee was in jeopardy.
Thank you. I was beginning to feel I was out here all alone.

[lorettalockhorn]

I adopted two Papillons from a breed specific rescue group and I know how grueling the process is. I filled out a 3 page application, had a preliminary phone interview that lasted 1 1/2 hrs, and had a home visit. Once I was approved, I drove 5 hrs to Philly just to meet the dogs and see if we connected. Finally, I received the final approval and drove 5 hrs again to pick them up.

Congrats to you and your dogs! Leroy loves papillons, but I cannot imagine him ever actually owning a dog. (He's about as responsible as a second grader. :rolleyes: ) We are loyal fans of the Westminster Dog Show, though!

[Gatordog]

My sister adopted a greyhound from the track in Memphis; the process was just about as grueling as what my bro and SIL have gone through to adopt their umpteen kids.

Now, if Arkansas would just adopt a felony animal abuse law I'd be much happier.

I am not a wealthy person yet I spend $121 a month to keep my Gator alive. I've taken vacation days and slept on the floor with him when he was sick. I spent $3,000 to fix my 15 year old cat's broken jaw. I've rescued cats and dogs off the street. I donate to animal charities and yet, 19 years ago when I tried to adopt a dog after my dog died, I was refused by the humane society because I did not have a yard, had a full time job and was single. I was deemed unfit. Yet it's okay for mothers to have countless boyfriends, have four kids in one bedroom and feed them chips and soda. Go figure. :shrug:

Gator

[Woostock]

Speaking of home visits I did one yesterday for a couple who want to adopt a golden retriever. The phone interview was done by a volunteer; everything was OK with that and the next step is a Home Visit which I did. I was there for an hour and a half. A vet check is done as well...In addition, if they qualify for a rescue golden they have to agree to certain things such as a vet visit within a certain amount of time, heartworm meds,etc.

[lighthousedazy]

Does anyone remember seeing the video where Cindy was very emotional and yelling at the detective who was holding her hand while she sputtered, " My grand daughter is missing! I don't care where Casey is and I will never care where Casey is, I just want Caylee back, I want her back!" (?)
At that moment, I felt pity for her. She was knackered and she knew who and what Casey was. She stone cold knew!I remember that video and I thought the same thing you did. She also looks like she knows in the jailhouse tapes with the liar. jmo

[deputydi]

I am not a wealthy person yet I spend $121 a month to keep my Gator alive. I've taken vacation days and slept on the floor with him when he was sick. I spent $3,000 to fix my 15 year old cat's broken jaw. I've rescued cats and dogs off the street. I donate to animal charities and yet, 19 years ago when I tried to adopt a dog after my dog died, I was refused by the humane society because I did not have a yard, had a full time job and was single. I was deemed unfit. Yet it's okay for mothers to have countless boyfriends, have four kids in one bedroom and feed them chips and soda. Go figure. :shrug:
Gator
I hear ya, Gator. Tom often says Butch and Sundance (the Papillons) cost us $6,000 -- $600 for the two dogs and $5,400 for the fence we were required to put around the back yard.

[Gatordog]

Watched NG again tonight. I am just amazed at the calmness of the Liar. She says things that the police know are not true yet she goes right on as if it's gospel. She reported the stolen cell phone to Universal's security three weeks before. Sometimes I think that she has this parallel world where she lives this phoney life in her mind. But that doesn't make her insane.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I hear ya, Gator. Tom often says Butch and Sundance (the Papillons) cost us $6,000 -- $600 for the two dogs and $5,400 for the fence we were required to put around the back yard.

Here's to the dogs in our lives. :beer: I just adore Papillons.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

I am not a wealthy person yet I spend $121 a month to keep my Gator alive. I've taken vacation days and slept on the floor with him when he was sick. I spent $3,000 to fix my 15 year old cat's broken jaw. I've rescued cats and dogs off the street. I donate to animal charities and yet, 19 years ago when I tried to adopt a dog after my dog died, I was refused by the humane society because I did not have a yard, had a full time job and was single. I was deemed unfit. Yet it's okay for mothers to have countless boyfriends, have four kids in one bedroom and feed them chips and soda. Go figure. :shrug:

Gator

And I think you can still buy chips and sodas with food stamps. It's a crazy world!

[javahog]

Does anyone remember seeing the video where Cindy was very emotional and yelling at the detective who was holding her hand while she sputtered, " My grand daughter is missing! I don't care where Casey is and I will never care where Casey is, I just want Caylee back, I want her back!" (?)
At that moment, I felt pity for her. She was knackered and she knew who and what Casey was. She stone cold knew!

I suspect that the reason she was calling to report her car stolen even though she had it back was that she had finally decided to play hardball with Casey. She was, imo, threatening her with going to jail if he didn't hand over Caylee, and then I think she was going to trade no charges for custody. That's why she was all about the car on call #1, she was playing it up to Casey, not realizing that Caylee was no more... So I suspect Cindy was going to try what a lot of people are suggesting, she was just too late. And in that interview, it was clear she knew she was too late.

I will, however, withdraw my sympathy if Cindy supports Casey...

[lorettalockhorn]

Watched NG again tonight. I am just amazed at the calmness of the Liar. She says things that the police know are not true yet she goes right on as if it's gospel. She reported the stolen cell phone to Universal's security three weeks before. Sometimes I think that she has this parallel world where she lives this phoney life in her mind. But that doesn't make her insane.

Gator

I dreamed the other night that The Rest of The Story is that Caylee was a hologram. Maybe that would explain why the slucking fut is so calm.

[javahog]

Watched NG again tonight. I am just amazed at the calmness of the Liar. She says things that the police know are not true yet she goes right on as if it's gospel. She reported the stolen cell phone to Universal's security three weeks before. Sometimes I think that she has this parallel world where she lives this phoney life in her mind. But that doesn't make her insane.

Gator

Don't you just love the tone of voice of the police interviewing her? I know they've seen it all, but I'll bet they've never seen the like of this! I mean, she took them to her OFFICE!!!

[javahog]

Awww, not really dep. I believe we all feel Cindy's pain and know Casey was the legal mommy, but she did raise that cockroach and well, it's my guess that we also feel Cindy could have stepped on Casey's neck a little harder for the sake of Caylee's safety. That's all..and we can agree to disagree. It's a great bunch here. No bad, all good.

Group Hug. :tongue:

We are all on Caylee's side, and that is the same side:rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

I suspect that the reason she was calling to report her car stolen even though she had it back was that she had finally decided to play hardball with Casey. She was, imo, threatening her with going to jail if he didn't hand over Caylee, and then I think she was going to trade no charges for custody. That's why she was all about the car on call #1, she was playing it up to Casey, not realizing that Caylee was no more... So I suspect Cindy was going to try what a lot of people are suggesting, she was just too late. And in that interview, it was clear she knew she was too late.

I will, however, withdraw my sympathy if Cindy supports Casey...

Good theory. It has always bothered me that Cindy reported the car before she reported Caylee missing/kidnapped. That would explain it.

So far according to Brad Conway, G&C support Casey. It seems to me that it would go a long way (maybe not now, but far into the future) to helping them heal, if they could assist The State in any way possible to learn exactly what happened to Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't you just love the tone of voice of the police interviewing her? I know they've seen it all, but I'll bet they've never seen the like of this! I mean, she took them to her OFFICE!!!

Oh! Glad you mentioned that segment. After she caved and told them that she didn't work there, they took her into some kind of conference room and continued to interview her. So does anyone wonder if LE actually knew that Casey was feeding them a line of bull before that? Had they already found out that Mr. Manly (and any of the others) and the job didn't exist? Or were the detectives still flying by the seat of the pants when they were talking to her?

[Justice Denied?]

What does that phrase mean? To me that could be a trip to Jackonville for some fun and then he could claim he was looking for Caylee clues. Lee should never have been given any of the money in my opinion. It was not his job to quote do his own investigation and if the family really thought she was alive, there is no telling what he spent it on in pursuit of his own investigation. Pfftt!! And this quote stuck out to me as well, Luka describes his role an advisor to Lee, in determining what he should and should not say to investigators. Shouldn't he just tell the truth period and not keep some stuff to himself. I think the whole family and the truth are strangers.!

I think you hit the nail on the head here. Maybe Lee was looking in nightclubs like Casey was. I would love for one person, just one, in that family to tell the whole truth.

[deputydi]

Awww, not really dep. I believe we all feel Cindy's pain and know Casey was the legal mommy, but she did raise that cockroach and well, it's my guess that we also feel Cindy could have stepped on Casey's neck a little harder for the sake of Caylee's safety. That's all..and we can agree to disagree. It's a great bunch here. No bad, all good.

Group Hug. :tongue:
I know that. Everyone has an opinion and we don't always agree. While I don't hold Cindy responsible for what Casey did, I respect the opinion of those who do. And, I somewhat understand why you and Loretta feel the way you do.

[deputydi]

I dreamed the other night that The Rest of The Story is that Caylee was a hologram. Maybe that would explain why the slucking fut is so calm.
LOL. Now that's priceless.

[javahog]

Oh! Glad you mentioned that segment. After she caved and told them that she didn't work there, they took her into some kind of conference room and continued to interview her. So does anyone wonder if LE actually knew that Casey was feeding them a line of bull before that? Had they already found out that Mr. Manly (and any of the others) and the job didn't exist? Or were the detectives still flying by the seat of the pants when they were talking to her?

They had to have had an inkling...why were they there, anyway? Why did she take them there (I mean her reason before going, not the whole familiar place bs). I think they knew before anyway. They thought if they caught her in a lie she would break. Not Casey Anthony!

[Justice Denied?]

Obviously she knew then something wasn't right - she should have listened to her gut instinct instead of waiting another 12 days before acting. JMO :mad:

I just keep thinking that Cindy only got upset after the car got impounded and they had to get it out. Then they smelled the dead body and decided to find Casey. Also, she was only able to get Amy's phone number from the resume found in the car. Did she not have the phone numbers of Casey's other friends? I just wonder how long they would have waited without the car incident?

[deputydi]

Oh! Glad you mentioned that segment. After she caved and told them that she didn't work there, they took her into some kind of conference room and continued to interview her. So does anyone wonder if LE actually knew that Casey was feeding them a line of bull before that? Had they already found out that Mr. Manly (and any of the others) and the job didn't exist? Or were the detectives still flying by the seat of the pants when they were talking to her?
From their tone and the questions they asked, they knew she was feeding them. My personal fav is when they told Casey they knew everything she had told them was a lie and this cool, calm and collected liar said "Not everything." She's a real piece of work and I'll bet they've never seen the likes of her before and probably never will again.

[deputydi]

I just keep thinking that Cindy only got upset after the car got impounded and they had to get it out. Then they smelled the dead body and decided to find Casey. Also, she was only able to get Amy's phone number from the resume found in the car. Did she not have the phone numbers of Casey's other friends? I just wonder how long they would have waited without the car incident?
C & G didn't have an inkling anything was wrong until they received the impound notice. Remember, the liar was covering her tracks by calling her parents regularly and then making excuses as to why they couldn't talk to Caylee. I always knew when my kids were lying but maybe Casey was so good at it she was able to fool everyone. :shrug:

[deputydi]

I suspect that the reason she was calling to report her car stolen even though she had it back was that she had finally decided to play hardball with Casey. She was, imo, threatening her with going to jail if he didn't hand over Caylee, and then I think she was going to trade no charges for custody. That's why she was all about the car on call #1, she was playing it up to Casey, not realizing that Caylee was no more... So I suspect Cindy was going to try what a lot of people are suggesting, she was just too late. And in that interview, it was clear she knew she was too late.

I will, however, withdraw my sympathy if Cindy supports Casey...
I never thought of that but it makes sense.

[Justice Denied?]

Oh, my sharlock, you're so good and caring, it's SO terrible, and I daresay YOU might even suffer from this horrible affliction...as many of us do! I hope not!

(I seem to be saying everything for pity tonight...it's been mutha of a week)

LOL! See what One2 posted.............!

CRS is when you get so old you have trouble telling the difference between what you thought, what you dreamed and what actually happened.:D

Saw this somewhere last night and thought it was hilarious. (here?)

[javahog]

From their tone and the questions they asked, they knew she was feeding them. My personal fav is when they told Casey they knew everything she had told them was a lie and this cool, calm and collected liar said "Not everything." She's a real piece of work and I'll bet they've never seen the likes of her before and probably never will again.

I don't think there will be a point in having her profiled because there couldn't be more than one of her, right?

[deputydi]

I don't think there will be a point in having her profiled because there couldn't be more than one of her, right?
You got that right! I thought I had seen everything when I heard Scott Peterson talking to Amber about the Eiffel Tower on New Year's Eve. This chick may have his ability to lie with a straight face beat.

[lorettalockhorn]

Awww, not really dep. I believe we all feel Cindy's pain and know Casey was the legal mommy, but she did raise that cockroach and well, it's my guess that we also feel Cindy could have stepped on Casey's neck a little harder for the sake of Caylee's safety. That's all..and we can agree to disagree. It's a great bunch here. No bad, all good.

Group Hug. :tongue:

I think Cindy and George must be grieving horribly, and will be for a long time. Pretty sure this situation would break me.

I'm all for a hug. http://i37.tinypic.com/24kxwgl.jpg

[deputydi]

I think Cindy and George must be grieving horribly, and will be for a long time. Pretty sure this situation would break me.

I'm all for a hug. http://i37.tinypic.com/24kxwgl.jpg
Hugs back atcha.

Everyone here has huge hearts that are breaking for a tiny life that was cut too short.

All that talk about our dogs made me realize that I haven't changed my avatar lately. Meet Butch and Sundance.