Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[mu8shark]

I agree that is highly unlikely. Cindy was obviously distraught when she made that first call and I can't imagine her making that reference to a "dead body in the damned car" if she already knew Caylee was dead.Right, why would she make that reference. I think it was one of the few honest things Cindy has said. Is my disdain still showing?

[Amy]

I believe caysee doesn't know who the father is. I agree that Caylee was the spitting image of JPC. JMO

I think Caylee looks a whole lot like Cindy, more than Casey does, and more than Caylee looks like Casey. I am also one of the ones who think Casey has no idea who the father is.

I remember a Judge Hatchet case where the guy mom said is the dad says, well, he couldn't be because the skin wasn't dark enough, the ears weren't like his, the hair wasn't curly enough, etc etc etc. All his other kids looked like him, and this one didn't so she couldn't be. In fact, HIS mom tells him SHE thinks the dad is the woman's brother, because the child resembles him. Well, for Pete's sake. Perhaps THIS baby's momma's genes were more prominent than all the other baby's mommas were. And, the physical traits come from BOTH parents, not just the baby daddy. @ the end of the day, regardless of who this baby did or did not look like, this fellow indeed was the baby daddy.

[deputydi]

Gator, sorry for replying to this so late but I completely agree . When you have been watching trials for a while you get used to this and I am sure you have been watching em a while. If there are two sets of testimony from the forensics ie yes there were signs of death in the trunk and no there were not, jurors tend to look at the character of the defendant as to what and why she or he is lying. It is one thing to be a liar on taxes, or if you pad a resume or you say you have slept with three guys in your life and really it is thirty, but she is lying about very specific matters pertaining to the case and her behavior afterwards is going to cause the jury not to give her the benefit of the doubt. IT is just normal common sense.Jurors weigh the evidence and realistically Casey's behavior is a factor.
I assume you're not an attorney, but you have a great understanding of the law and how things work in the courtroom. During the Peterson trial I used to get so frustrated when posters insisted that if there was conflicting testimony the jury must accept the version most favorable to the defendant. If that were true, no one would ever be convicted except the fools who waived a jury trial and/or plead guilty. Jurors are human beings and they will accept the evidence that makes sense to them. Nothing that has come out of Casey's mouth has made any sense whatsoever.

I love reading your posts.

[mu8shark]

I'm betting that key business was scripted. No reaction from Cindy about a *gasp* Hispanic having a key to her house. No locks changed. No reports of anything taken from the house or anything out of order.I kind of think so too. and I also think this key thing is going to be somewhat irrelevant unless they identify a Zanny to actually have the key, know what I mean?

[Amy]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lawyer Jose Baez has filed a new motion Monday.

He is afraid detectives are trying to get privileged information about the case from a private detective who used to work for his defense team, so he's asking a judge to intervene.

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

The private eye is a familiar face to insiders. He's Dominic Casey, who early on worked for Baez. Then in October, George and Cindy Anthony hired him to follow up on live sightings of Caylee Anthony.

Baez said law enforcement is now showing an interest in questioning Casey Anthony* and he wants to make sure they don't get any privileged information he may have learned while working for Baez...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

Sorry, but this strikes me as totally ridiculous. If Dominic Casey has information pointing to Zenaida, or the real killer, or an alien abduction, I'm thinking he would be shouting it from the rooftops. Baez wants to have his cake and eat it too by hamstringing what DC can say about what he knows.

*Think they mean Dominic Casey here, not Casey Anthony

Well, Cindy did go on about "their PI" who followed leads that proved that Casey's version is true, that the nanny DID take Caylee. Well, for all that is holy--whether it is the A's, or Baez, don't you think that, if there was definite proof that Casey was telling the truth, that they would WANT that information, if not to the public and media, to LE or the FBI so that Casey Anthony could be out of jail? They WANT her to waste away in jail so they can spend thousand (or millions) of $$$ not only of theirs, but of the tax payers to pay for a trial? Like you say--RIDICULOUS!!!!!

Just like Scott Peterson's lawyer said THEY knew the real killer and would prove it in court, WHY wait for a trial? GIVE THE INFO to the FBI if you think the local police and DA would destroy or ignore the evidence. Oh, and no proof of a real killer was presented by Mark Geragos @ Scott Peterson's trial. Just spaghetti thrown against the wall, and none of it stuck. Which is what I'm betting my bottom dollar on is what will happen when Casey Anthony goes to trial.

Oh, and by the way, if the A's and Baez have proof about Nanny the baby killer, why ask for delays in the trial, since they want to see the tax payer $$ used even tho they could prevent a trial, for Casey anyway (would need one for nanny, of course.) Why not insist on having the trial go forth in January as first scheduled so the A's can have their daughter back home? HMMMM????

Do they really think John and Jane Q Pubic are so dumb as to believe they would let their daughter and client rot in jail when they KNOW who killed Caylee and have PROOF????? :rolleyes:

If I were said daughter/client sitting in jail when my parents and lawyer had the proof that would get me out, I'd be downright FURIOUS. I'd be making a squawk to the DA or the FBI or ANYONE that there is PROOF, and I am sittiing in jail instead of the person who should be. Since I couldn't ask for new parents, I'd for sure be asking for a new lawyer!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I think Caylee looks a whole lot like Cindy, more than Casey does, and more than Caylee looks like Casey. I am also one of the ones who think Casey has no idea who the father is.

I remember a Judge Hatchet case where the guy mom said is the dad says, well, he couldn't be because the skin wasn't dark enough, the ears weren't like his, the hair wasn't curly enough, etc etc etc. All his other kids looked like him, and this one didn't so she couldn't be. In fact, HIS mom tells him SHE thinks the dad is the woman's brother, because the child resembles him. Well, for Pete's sake. Perhaps THIS baby's momma's genes were more prominent than all the other baby's mommas were. And, the physical traits come from BOTH parents, not just the baby daddy. @ the end of the day, regardless of who this baby did or did not look like, this fellow indeed was the baby daddy.

Agree that Caylee looked like Cindy. She had more of Cindy's phenotype than Casey.

[deputydi]

I've read all kinds of theories as well as downright garbage. I believe Leonard Padilla is chiefly behind the "Lee is Caylee's father" business. Hopefully, whoever the guy is doesn't figure into Caylee's murder; it's hard enough to fathom a mother killing her child.

At any rate it's still shoddy for the Anthonys to keep him and his family from having known Caylee. She was a human being not chattel. These people are lowlifes.
I don't think the Anthonys were keeping Caylee's father from her. I don't believe even Casey knew who the father was. If Cindy knew for a fact Jesse was not Caylee's bio-dad, it would be downright cruel of her to play along with Casey's little game. Caylee was (I think) probably the result of a one night stand -- one of many and Casey honestly didn't know which one. When sweet, clean cut Jesse came along she decided to "choose him". I have read that she was six wks preg when she met Jesse but even better, she was seven mths along before her mother knew. Hadn't Casey and Jesse broken up by then? I know the engagement didn't last long and very shortly after they broke up, Jesse's family talked him into a paternity test because they were no longer together. I'm not sure there is a point to my rambling except that if Casey didn't know who fathered Caylee, the family would be unknown to them also.

Oh, never mind -- I guess I should slap myself. :punch: Those would be the reactions of a normal person. None of these people are exactly normal.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh Lord. Did anyone listen to Leonard Padilla's Daisy Chain theory on Nancy Grace?? :eek:

[mu8shark]

I assume you're not an attorney, but you have a great understanding of the law and how things work in the courtroom. During the Peterson trial I used to get so frustrated when posters insisted that if there was conflicting testimony the jury must accept the version most favorable to the defendant. If that were true, no one would ever be convicted except the fools who waived a jury trial and/or plead guilty. Jurors are human beings and they will accept the evidence that makes sense to them. Nothing that has come out of Casey's mouth has made any sense whatsoever.

I love reading your posts. Thanks for the compliment and yeah that particular instruction about accepting what is most favorable to the defendant would only work if jurors were computers!!! I have always thought that instruction rather silly as jurors don't abide by it and shouldn.t' In essence it is saying is accept whatever lie is best for the defendant even if you noggin tells you it is a lie, and obviously the defendant has a rather vested interest in the results. LOL.

[mu8shark]

I don't believe the daisy chain thing at all but there is something up with this guy coincidentally taking a photo or video of the exact spot. There were over 100 places to look according to Tim Miller and this guy has a video of this area. I would be asking questions too if I were LE. Also on Lee I know this will sound far fetched but I am wondering if Lee moved the body. I can't help but think that by now they have analyzed the fingerprints if there were some on that bag and on that tape and didn't Lee just give all that stuff? I am sure I am reaching but some of the stuff his attorney is talking about tampering with evidence sounds omnious. Just for the record by the way I think the meter reader has zero to do with the killing, hiding the body or anything nefarious. I just think he was persistent and police missed it.

[Amy]

...The motion states, "there is a chance that such questioning would delve into privileged information."

Baez stated he hired Casey as an investigator July 28, and the service agreement between the two was terminated Oct. 1.

During that time, Casey "acquired certain privileged information that would be protected under the work-product doctrine and the ethical standards adhered to by licensed private investigators."

After working with Baez, Casey was hired by Casey Anthony's parents George and Cindy Anthony to help with their search, the motion states.

Baez is requesting a "special master" be appointed to oversee any questioning of Casey "to ensure that no privileged information is wrongfully acquired."

Casey did not return a phone call for this story.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-pi-122908,0,4441713.story

And, isn't Dominic Casey affiliated with KFN? I am sure he was the director of investigations or whatever that position was called. I am pretty sure he is one of the fellows who were in the park when Lenny Padilla was having divers in there. He and Mr KFN (Milstead?) were both present, IIRC. I think that was the time where I heard him say he was KFN's investigator.

From the link in the post above this one:

The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-

Now, THAT sounds suspicious!!! Of course, it won't be divulged, but what did they say? She is there, go check out and see if she can be seen from the road? Or, Casey had taken the nanny to the place she hung out as a kid (now, why she would do that would be anyone's guess) so check and see if she could have put her there? Or, we don't think Casey killed Caylee, but if she did, this might be a place she would think of to put Caylee?

[Amy]

Oh my! Hope you mend well. And fast!

Your question earlier about JP Chatt; basically all I found was that he was Ricardo and/or Amy's roommate. Not much help, sorry.

And I think the relationship with Ricardo and Amy started after Caylee was born. So, I am not leaning toward him as Caylee's dad.

[Amy]

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Any person working with an attorney could come to know privileged "work product". Attorneys are generally responsible for explaining to employees what is privileged & confidential. Baez may need to be present during questioning & object to questions that involve work product. A special master could then rule on the questions & objections; it isn't that unusual.* But it is the CLIENT'S privilege, not the investigator's OR the attorney's. And the judge must rule on all questions of law, the judge's decisions could be tainted by inappropriate evidence improperly before the court. A special master can extract extraneous matters.



* Both questioning & depositions are only restricted to the extent that one can be questioned as to any matters LIKELY to lead to admissible evidence. Neither the trier of fact nor the trier of law should learn of possibly prejudicial matters that will not be offered as evidence in the case. AND, don't forget, Casey Anthony can waive her right to a jury trial at any time; then the judge will be the trier of both fact & law. (I doubt she will but the rules are in place to cover the "ifs".)

Thanks for all the legal sidebars (is that an appropriate use? lol) It helps to have some of the legal jargon spelled out.

[deputydi]

Will Lee Anthony be charged with obstruction of justice? See, LE has been very, very busy putting all their ducks in a row...Lee's own atty is stating he's concerned there's been no subpeona for Lee so far, which is leading him to believe charges could be filed against him. I imagine they know certain aspects of her priviledged conversations with Lee.

We have all discussed here what Lee really was told by Casey in their whispered conversations...unfortunately, theres a lot more undercurrents going on with Orange County and their case against her. Wish there was a way to find out something :cool:

I think LP has been drinking too much Haterage...he's claiming this video shown to him by Hoover (of Dominick) filming the area where Caylee was found....is a daisy chain from Casey to Lee, to somehow the meter reader giving clues re: Caylee's remains. Sound f*c*eD up? Uh Huh.

Baez is sliming around in this too.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more crazy.......!!!

My head is spinning.
Conversations between a brother and sister aren't privileged -- neither are conversations between a parent and child (in most states). Lee's silence has made him kind of suspicious in my mind. I am beginning to believe he knows something and obstruction charges don't seem too far fetched.

[Amy]

JP was Jesse's roommate when he was engaged to the liar.

Gator

So my question then would be, did she know JP before she knew Jesse? Cuz if she met JP because he was Jesse's roommate, he also could not be Caylee's dad. AND, if she was going to name Caylee's dad, and she knew JP by the time of Caylee's conception, why would she choose to tell JESSE he was the dad, instead of JP, especially as it seems JP comes from WEALTH (I see dollar signs in the Anthony's eyes.)

[mu8shark]

By the way I totally agree with Perper and I have been telling my cousin this for days , a second autopsy with the remains the way they are is futile. What are they going to say, we can tell from the bones she had a heart attack or some kind of seizure??? Pftt! They can't tell anything and it will not help them. If I were the Anthonys I would just request that her remains be left alone. Enough is enough!

[Amy]

If somebody has already addressed this I apologize, because I am catching up. But appeals court do not retry the case and look at the evidence. At the end of the case, the defense will probably ask for a directed acquittal saying there is not enough evidence for the jury even to decide. A judge almost always says no. A appeals court looks at the actual process of the trial, was the defense competent, did a juror have misconduct, did the trial judge admit improper evidence, What they do not do is go over all the evidence at trial to see if there was enough evidence to have a trial . A judge and grand jury have already done that by the end of trial. Not to be a know it all, but people have a lot of misconceptions about what the appeal process involves.

Thanks.

[FDInLaw]

Will Lee Anthony be charged with obstruction of justice? See, LE has been very, very busy putting all their ducks in a row...Lee's own atty is stating he's concerned there's been no subpeona for Lee so far, which is leading him to believe charges could be filed against him. I imagine they know certain aspects of her priviledged conversations with Lee.

We have all discussed here what Lee really was told by Casey in their whispered conversations...unfortunately, theres a lot more undercurrents going on with Orange County and their case against her. Wish there was a way to find out something :cool:

I think LP has been drinking too much Haterage...he's claiming this video shown to him by Hoover (of Dominick) filming the area where Caylee was found....is a daisy chain from Casey to Lee, to somehow the meter reader giving clues re: Caylee's remains. Sound f*c*eD up? Uh Huh.

Baez is sliming around in this too.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more crazy.......!!!

My head is spinning. I'm with you here! It's hard to know what to believe with this case. I have seen first hand how easy it is for strangers to rip a family apart. IMO Cindy did not know Caylee was dead when she called 911. . . I believe it was an honest call, one full of panic. My hope is that Cindy and George will now cooperate fully where they did not before. As to Caylee's Dad. . . unless there is extensive dna testing, I don't believe we will ever know for sure. Why would any guy/family want to attach themselves to this circus by choice, and, what legal grounds is there for finding out for sure? Me thinks it ain't gonna happen. JMO

[Amy]

OK I have been trying REALLY hard to stay away from this case ever since I saw a picture of Caylee wearing a red jacket with a dalmatian on it. My daughter has one just like it hanging in her closet. Upsetting.

I am wondering if this work-product doctrine applies, if the PI was working for the parents? I thought at some point this PI stopped working for Casey & Co.? Or maybe I am confused...quite possible with this case.

The article did say he was hired by Baez until Oct 1. If it gave dates, I don't remember, but it does say that after that, he was hired by the A's.

Okay, looked @ the article. It says service agreement from July 28 to Oct 1 and that they A's hired him after that, but does not give the dates.

[mu8shark]

I just want to make one point about the comp searches. Some people say the neck breaking, the chloroform, the inhalation by death, the episode of the nanny kidnapping the child , the missing childrens sites will be somewhat irrelevant because they can't prove cause of death. I agree they can't prove cause of death so far, however let me tell you what I as a juror am asking myself, why or who is looking up ways for someone to die or disappear? And two months before a childs death?And coincidence of all coincidences , somebody from that house did die. Was it just a coincidence that this little girl is dead and somebody seemed to concentrating on death? Should I be expected to believe that the child died of an accident when coincidentally somebody in that house was focused on ways to kill? Hmm. !!!Wow somebody may have wanted a child to be gone and miracle of miracle an accident happens. I expect a huge debate about this in the jury room, in fact I think it will be the discussion ,not if she is guilty but to what degree and in 30 years of following true crime, I gotta tell I am not a big believer in coincidences.

[lorettalockhorn]

By the way I totally agree with Perper and I have been telling my cousin this for days , a second autopsy with the remains the way they are is futile. What are they going to say, we can tell from the bones she had a heart attack or some kind of seizure??? Pftt! They can't tell anything and it will not help them. If I were the Anthonys I would just request that her remains be left alone. Enough is enough!

If you ask me, that second autopsy is a delaying tactic to some extent. No one can expect G&C to be re-interviewed (and answer truthfully this time), nor be deposed by John Morgan in the Zenaida suit until Caylee has been buried.

[mu8shark]

The article did say he was hired by Baez until Oct 1. If it gave dates, I don't remember, but it does say that after that, he was hired by the A's.

Okay, looked @ the article. It says service agreement from July 28 to Oct 1 and that they A's hired him after that, but does not give the dates. If he took the video after that date and he was working for the Anthonys in Nov and not the defense it is not work product. The Anthonys are not the defense. They may want to defend her but they are not the defense. I thought he said he took the video in Nov.

[Amy]

Right, why would she make that reference. I think it was one of the few honest things Cindy has said. Is my disdain still showing?

Anger out of control. She was mightily PO'd @ Casey, telling her she was going to have her arrested about the car, and according to Cindy, told Cindy to go ahead. For some reason, Cindy seems to think this points to Casey's innocence, which it doesn't. And, I am sure Casey would have been able to prove she had had approved use of that car for a long time. I also don't think Casey said okay in the same tone that Cindy related the conversation. I'm betting, based on the phone conversation w/Cindy and Casey, that she put in a few curse words, certainly the F word and probably SCREAMED it @ hers, in a very disrespectful, sneering tone.

But, to get back to Cindy and the dead body smell. I'm betting she was SO furious about Casey and her attitude and tone and choice of words that she just blurted it out, and probably to this day regrets it. I think she was just SO MAD, and I think she has some trouble controlling that anger. Anyway, even after listening to the 911 tape on LKL, just a few minutes later when a caller asks why she changed her mind about the smell, Cindy says "I changed my mind.....I NEVER changed my mind on the smell. I NEVER SAID IT SMELLED LIKE A DEAD BODY. (Paraphrased, of course, but big time denial of the use of the words.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Will Lee Anthony be charged with obstruction of justice? See, LE has been very, very busy putting all their ducks in a row...Lee's own atty is stating he's concerned there's been no subpeona for Lee so far, which is leading him to believe charges could be filed against him. I imagine they know certain aspects of her priviledged conversations with Lee.

We have all discussed here what Lee really was told by Casey in their whispered conversations...unfortunately, theres a lot more undercurrents going on with Orange County and their case against her. Wish there was a way to find out something :cool:

I think LP has been drinking too much Haterage...he's claiming this video shown to him by Hoover (of Dominick) filming the area where Caylee was found....is a daisy chain from Casey to Lee, to somehow the meter reader giving clues re: Caylee's remains. Sound f*c*eD up? Uh Huh.

Baez is sliming around in this too.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more crazy.......!!!

My head is spinning.

Not sure exactly what LP is drinking, but he sure comes up with some off the wall stuff from time to time. Heck, we don't even know when this videotape was made, or WTF those guys were doing out in the woods with a video camera conveniently before Caylee's body was discovered. Why there? Why not the other 135 areas that were targeted to be searched?

Just got to Dr. Perper's segment of NG (LOVE Jean Casarez!), and it would truly be something if the air samples from the garbage bag do match up with the air samples in the car trunk.

[deputydi]

If you ask me, that second autopsy is a delaying tactic to some extent. No one can expect G&C to be re-interviewed (and answer truthfully this time), nor be deposed by John Morgan in the Zenaida suit until Caylee has been buried.
You are so right. I apologize for repeatedly referring to the Peterson case, but Cyril Wecht and Henry Lee both examined Laci's remains but neither one testified. Reason -- nothing helpful to the defense was found. The defense in this case is buying time with their ridiculous request.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just want to make one point about the comp searches. Some people say the neck breaking, the chloroform, the inhalation by death, the episode of the nanny kidnapping the child , the missing childrens sites will be somewhat irrelevant because they can't prove cause of death. I agree they can't prove cause of death so far, however let me tell you what I as a juror am asking myself, why or who is looking up ways for someone to die or disappear? And two months before a childs death?And coincidence of all coincidences , somebody from that house did die. Was it just a coincidence that this little girl is dead and somebody seemed to concentrating on death? Should I be expected to believe that the child died of an accident when coincidentally somebody in that house was focused on ways to kill? Hmm. !!!Wow somebody may have wanted a child to be gone and miracle of miracle an accident happens. I expect a huge debate about this in the jury room, in fact I think it will be the discussion ,not if she is guilty but to what degree and in 30 years of following true crime, I gotta tell I am not a big believer in coincidences.

ITA My tombstone should probably read: "There's no such thing as a coincidence." Say it all the time.

[mu8shark]

Not sure exactly what LP is drinking, but he sure comes up with some off the wall stuff from time to time. Heck, we don't even know when this videotape was made, or WTF those guys were doing out in the woods with a video camera conveniently before Caylee's body was discovered. Why there? Why not the other 135 areas that were targeted to be searched?

Just got to Dr. Perper's segment of NG (LOVE Jean Casarez!), and it would truly be something if the air samples from the garbage bag do match up with the air samples in the car trunk. I wish Jean would have her own show she is so much better than Nancy or Greta on this true crime stuff. Greta is okay but she got somewhat out of the loop on this case. Also does anyone else find this highly suspicious that he took a supposed video of this very area? Tim Miller said they had 0ver 100 target areas. I just find this odd, odd, odd even in this case.

[Amy]

Oh Lord. Did anyone listen to Leonard Padilla's Daisy Chain theory on Nancy Grace?? :eek:

I tuned in a little late. I don't mind hearing Lenny's theories so much, I just have a hard time listening to him tell, he gets rather vehement, and DOES make it sound like he has inside information and that what he is saying is a truth, not a theory.

So, can ya tell us about the Daisy Chain theory? TIA

[mu8shark]

Anger out of control. She was mightily PO'd @ Casey, telling her she was going to have her arrested about the car, and according to Cindy, told Cindy to go ahead. For some reason, Cindy seems to think this points to Casey's innocence, which it doesn't. And, I am sure Casey would have been able to prove she had had approved use of that car for a long time. I also don't think Casey said okay in the same tone that Cindy related the conversation. I'm betting, based on the phone conversation w/Cindy and Casey, that she put in a few curse words, certainly the F word and probably SCREAMED it @ hers, in a very disrespectful, sneering tone.

But, to get back to Cindy and the dead body smell. I'm betting she was SO furious about Casey and her attitude and tone and choice of words that she just blurted it out, and probably to this day regrets it. I think she was just SO MAD, and I think she has some trouble controlling that anger. Anyway, even after listening to the 911 tape on LKL, just a few minutes later when a caller asks why she changed her mind about the smell, Cindy says "I changed my mind.....I NEVER changed my mind on the smell. I NEVER SAID IT SMELLED LIKE A DEAD BODY. (Paraphrased, of course, but big time denial of the use of the words.) She may regret it , but I am not sure her motive was just that she was mad. I think it did smell like a dead body and it will wind up being one excited utterance that the can't take back.
And while she is obviously not an expert, boy is that statement going to stick in the juries mind.

[Amy]

Will Lee Anthony be charged with obstruction of justice? See, LE has been very, very busy putting all their ducks in a row...Lee's own atty is stating he's concerned there's been no subpeona for Lee so far, which is leading him to believe charges could be filed against him. I imagine they know certain aspects of her priviledged conversations with Lee.

We have all discussed here what Lee really was told by Casey in their whispered conversations...unfortunately, theres a lot more undercurrents going on with Orange County and their case against her. Wish there was a way to find out something :cool:

I think LP has been drinking too much Haterage...he's claiming this video shown to him by Hoover (of Dominick) filming the area where Caylee was found....is a daisy chain from Casey to Lee, to somehow the meter reader giving clues re: Caylee's remains. Sound f*c*eD up? Uh Huh.

Baez is sliming around in this too.

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more crazy.......!!!

My head is spinning.

Casey has NO privileged conversations w/Lee. He is not an attorney, doctor, psychiatrist, or confessor figure like a priest or minister or head of a relgious group.

I didn't understand a thing about the daisy chain--but I get the feeling I wouldn't have understood it if I had heard LP saying. Some things he says are okay, others are just toooooo far out there for me to stomach. And, frankly the more outrageous garbage he spouts, the less likely I am to look favorably on things that could be possible.

[Amy]

If he took the video after that date and he was working for the Anthonys in Nov and not the defense it is not work product. The Anthonys are not the defense. They may want to defend her but they are not the defense. I thought he said he took the video in Nov.

Interesting!!! Hmmmmm. Can't wait until this issue is determined.

[Justice Denied?]

Hi Danagher, the way I see it that when she was young and told a lie, she was never corrected. To Cindy, they are just "mistruths". The Liar was probably never corrected, punished or forced to make amends for her lying. George knew it was wrong but she was daddy's little girl and he looked the other way. To Cindy, it was probably considered normal behavior. Then she turned 20 and it got worse and by then it was too late to change the behavior and they were to confont her for fear of losing Caylee despite the advice of the psychologist.

Gator

I think you are probably right and Casey was never told no and never corrected.
But it has lways been my opinion that a parent is responsible for a child's behavior and actions until they are grown, but after that they are on their own. If nothing else, they should have learned correct behavior from their peer group and in the schools. They know what is right and normal.

[SaraSidle]

I tuned in a little late. I don't mind hearing Lenny's theories so much, I just have a hard time listening to him tell, he gets rather vehement, and DOES make it sound like he has inside information and that what he is saying is a truth, not a theory.

So, can ya tell us about the Daisy Chain theory? TIA

well as most of you know I have been off this thread unwillingly for 2 months. I truly believe that G & C knew nothing. I find it unbelievable that the meter man called 3 days in a row in August and it was not really followed up. my police dept would have been on it like white on rice. I am also convinced that Caylee was not moved due to the seperation of all her bones. and really it is no surprise that she was found so close to home. that statement always bothered me when she told her parents. Even still I am hoping for some evidence from the duct tape or remains showing COD. I have no idea if Lee was involved and I think that videotape of the area really needs to be checked thoroughly. I know this has nothing but twists and turns and again nothing suprises me. I do think Caylee was murdered by Casey. other than that who knows. these are just all of my opinions only

[Amy]

You are so right. I apologize for repeatedly referring to the Peterson case, but Cyril Wecht and Henry Lee both examined Laci's remains but neither one testified. Reason -- nothing helpful to the defense was found. The defense in this case is buying time with their ridiculous request.

I do hope Dr Lee is professional in this case, also, and doesn't come up w/some cockimamie ketchup spitting theory, or doesn't go planting (or was it removing?) evidence. I do remember Wecht and Lee being on the defense list, and a big buzz when they weren't called (and now we know why) but Dr Marsh? was, to give the fantabulous estimation of due date by baby shower theory.

IMO, the defense is showing much immaturity (not to say lack of legal issues) by throwing the fit about getting on the crime scene during the investigation--and then refusing to go in when they were allowed. I think the same will come w/the autopsy. By the time they get the pics and reports they are demanding (and probably would already have, if Baez hadn't demanded them thru the courts, and now the DA has a deadline he can wait for) I'm betting they will refuse to do the repeat autopsy.

That being said, I do get tired of hearing Henry Lee say--Not the same. Not a pure scene. Investigators have moved things. DUH

[browneyes106]

The Anthonys probably don't know who Caylee's father is. I remember Lee said in an media interview that the father wad dead but he never knew Caylee existed. Cindy said in a few interviews that Casey and the father made an agreement that he would be apart of Caylee's life and that he later started a family with someone else.

[SaraSidle]

The Anthonys probably don't know who Caylee's father is. I remember Lee said in an media interview that the father wad dead but he never knew Caylee existed. Cindy said in a few interviews that Casey and the father made an agreement that he would be apart of Caylee's life and that he later started a family with someone else.

I am still thinking JP is the father. they look so much alike. nice to know but what would be the point now.

[mu8shark]

well as most of you know I have been off this thread unwillingly for 2 months. I truly believe that G & C knew nothing. I find it unbelievable that the meter man called 3 days in a row in August and it was not really followed up. my police dept would have been on it like white on rice. I am also convinced that Caylee was not moved due to the seperation of all her bones. and really it is no surprise that she was found so close to home. that statement always bothered me when she told her parents. Even still I am hoping for some evidence from the duct tape or remains showing COD. I have no idea if Lee was involved and I think that videotape of the area really needs to be checked thoroughly. I know this has nothing but twists and turns and again nothing suprises me. I do think Caylee was murdered by Casey. other than that who knows. these are just all of my opinions only But you have to keep his tip in perspective. With over 100 places of interest at least according to Tim Miller and 5,000 tips coming in , LE would not have dropped everything and sent for instance a cadaver dog and several searchers in. On one of the days the meter reader was not even there to clarify the right area. They sent out one police officer and he may have been lazy, too scared or he was just plain not good at his job. It is not as if this was one specific area they had a great tip on. It was one of many and I am sure their resources were thin. Not giving excuses to LE but I don't find it odd or even surprising. I remember in the Chandra Levy case when they finally found her, they literally just missed her body. They
had done a pretty concentrated search of that park and used cadaver dogs and still missed her. It happens , unfortunately it happened in a case where the defense needs to find every single mistake it can and blow it up into a gigantic flaw.

[Amy]

She may regret it , but I am not sure her motive was just that she was mad. I think it did smell like a dead body and it will wind up being one excited utterance that the can't take back.
And while she is obviously not an expert, boy is that statement going to stick in the juries mind.

I did not mean to sound like I did not think Cindy smelled that smell. I think she did, just as George says he did, and the towyard man Mr Burch did. She is a nurse, she has smelled that smell before.

I think she smelled it, it did smell like a dead body in the car, I'm not just sure she was going to divulge that info to the dispatcher. After all, she had already made the call about the car. I think she just got madder and madder, and out it came.

[lorettalockhorn]

If he took the video after that date and he was working for the Anthonys in Nov and not the defense it is not work product. The Anthonys are not the defense. They may want to defend her but they are not the defense. I thought he said he took the video in Nov.

According to neighbors, the area was under water until right about the time that Caylee's body was discovered, right?

[mu8shark]

I do hope Dr Lee is professional in this case, also, and doesn't come up w/some cockimamie ketchup spitting theory, or doesn't go planting (or was it removing?) evidence. I do remember Wecht and Lee being on the defense list, and a big buzz when they weren't called (and now we know why) but Dr Marsh? was, to give the fantabulous estimation of due date by baby shower theory.

IMO, the defense is showing much immaturity (not to say lack of legal issues) by throwing the fit about getting on the crime scene during the investigation--and then refusing to go in when they were allowed. I think the same will come w/the autopsy. By the time they get the pics and reports they are demanding (and probably would already have, if Baez hadn't demanded them thru the courts, and now the DA has a deadline he can wait for) I'm betting they will refuse to do the repeat autopsy.

That being said, I do get tired of hearing Henry Lee say--Not the same. Not a pure scene. Investigators have moved things. DUHDuh is right. I agree with this post entirely. I think Lee is trying to make it sound omnious and when Black said something about planting evidence, I thought that was going way too far when they have not even looked at the evidence. I gather since most of the evidence is not good for them, the planting thing will come up again.

[Justice Denied?]

But if not Cindy and George, Casey would theoretically go for the gold, don't you think? It would be easier than stealing, and then she really would have a babysitter...

And unemployed Casey could get welfare, right? But never applied. Don't most states require id'ing and hitting up the dad before going on the dole? Its weird. She avoided sources of free money that would require the dad be identified. Maybe it WAS Lee, lol!

that is one theory I discounted at first but an beginning to consider more and more and just for all the reasons you stated. Seems she doesn't want to be involved with anything that would require her to identify the dad. It has to be one or the other she either just does not know who the dad is or it is Lee. I mean, she didn't want Cindy to know she was pregnant, she didn't put anyone's name on the birth certificate, she never went after anyone for child support....

[mu8shark]

I have two questions because I was not paying good attention to NG tonight trying to catch up on posts. Did Lee's attorney actually use the words tampering with evidence and aiding and abetting or just refer to obstruction of justice and did Dr Perper say there would be no fingerprints on the tape because of the water or that there could be fingerprints? Sorry I just need two minds. LOL . If he did say tampering with evidence and aiding and abetting this is much more than just doing his own investigation. Me thinks Lee could be in serious trouble.

[Amy]

The Anthonys probably don't know who Caylee's father is. I remember Lee said in an media interview that the father wad dead but he never knew Caylee existed. Cindy said in a few interviews that Casey and the father made an agreement that he would be apart of Caylee's life and that he later started a family with someone else.

Yep, there in lies a problem. A dad who is dead and never knew Caylee existed. Or is it a dad that died on his way to his daughter's 2nd birthday party? Hmmmmm.......AND the grandmother, even after seeing the obituary just can't remember that name!!!!!

Of course, we have only heard what Cindy or Lee say Casey says---wonder, if Casey does not know what stories the others came up with, what HER version of the story of Caylee's biodad would be? My guess is that she would probably say Jesse, forgetting that anyone following this case knows it is not true.

[lorettalockhorn]

I tuned in a little late. I don't mind hearing Lenny's theories so much, I just have a hard time listening to him tell, he gets rather vehement, and DOES make it sound like he has inside information and that what he is saying is a truth, not a theory.

So, can ya tell us about the Daisy Chain theory? TIA

Basically, LP is saying that Casey gave Lee information that he somehow was able to transmit to the meter reader, so that the meter reader could "find" the body. We'll have to check the transcript, Jean didn't give him a lot of time. In fact, it seemed like she cut him off, or the commercial did.

(don't know why, but I love this man :o) is discussing it also. Joshua is not one to gossip or talk BS conjecture, but I get the feeling that somehow, something could connect the bag and the trunk this time around...but He's not going there. (He does feel that Caylee was in the bag, in the trunk with the duct tape on while she was alive, and died in the bag...did I read that right?)

Because he's the cutest little old man in Florida, that's why!!

[SaraSidle]

But you have to keep his tip in perspective. With over 100 places of interest at least according to Tim Miller and 5,000 tips coming in , LE would not have dropped everything and sent for instance a cadaver dog and several searchers in. On one of the days the meter reader was not even there to clarify the right area. They sent out one police officer and he may have been lazy, too scared or he was just plain not good at his job. It is not as if this was one specific area they had a great tip on. It was one of many and I am sure their resources were thin. Not giving excuses to LE but I don't find it odd or even surprising. I remember in the Chandra Levy case when they finally found her, they literally just missed her body. They
had done a pretty concentrated search of that park and used cadaver dogs and still missed her. It happens , unfortunately it happened in a case where the defense needs to find every single mistake it can and blow it up into a gigantic flaw.


I hear you but this was a bad time for Orlando and everyone was looking. There has to be proof that it was called in. Either the LE did not want to find it or they were just plain dumb. Lots of publicity would have made the officer a hero in August. I am just not buying it. Even Tim Miller had a lot of woods checked out by G & C house. I talked to 4 searchers on another website and they said Tim had asked them to check out woods by the anthonys house before they quit and they were told not to tell anyone. something is not right. I was a police dispatcher for 15 years and I know all the officers I work with would have made sure in August about the calls. I think it was a major mistake with lots of excuses from LE. IMO

[mu8shark]

that is one theory I discounted at first but an beginning to consider more and more and just for all the reasons you stated. Seems she doesn't want to be involved with anything that would require her to identify the dad. It has to be one or the other she either just does not know who the dad is or it is Lee. I mean, she didn't want Cindy to know she was pregnant, she didn't put anyone's name on the birth certificate, she never went after anyone for child support....you know I can't help but think of my niece who had a child out of wedlock and the Dad is not involved because he does not want to be and my niece was able to apply for food stamps and help on her babysitting so she could work and be out on her own. Some might find food stamps shameful or an easy way out, but I always tell her she is doing what she can to make it on her own and not sponging off her parents or anyone else. Casey would never have done this as it would be bad for image. You can get food stamps at least in KS without trying to get money from father first.

[lorettalockhorn]

But if not Cindy and George, Casey would theoretically go for the gold, don't you think? It would be easier than stealing, and then she really would have a babysitter...

And unemployed Casey could get welfare, right? But never applied. Don't most states require id'ing and hitting up the dad before going on the dole? Its weird. She avoided sources of free money that would require the dad be identified. Maybe it WAS Lee, lol!

that is one theory I discounted at first but an beginning to consider more and more and just for all the reasons you stated. Seems she doesn't want to be involved with anything that would require her to identify the dad. It has to be one or the other she either just does not know who the dad is or it is Lee. I mean, she didn't want Cindy to know she was pregnant, she didn't put anyone's name on the birth certificate, she never went after anyone for child support....

For Casey to become eligible for any type of state aid, the fact that she didn't have a job would have come to light. Also, she would have had to name the father. And G&C probably were okay with that; if they were supporting both Casey and Caylee, it was a small price to pay for being completely in control. They would gratefully cover the pittance that the child support would have been.

As for the stealing. I think Casey enjoyed it.

[mu8shark]

I hear you but this was a bad time for Orlando and everyone was looking. There has to be proof that it was called in. Either the LE did not want to find it or they were just plain dumb. Lots of publicity would have made the officer a hero in August. I am just not buying it. Even Tim Miller had a lot of woods checked out by G & C house. I talked to 4 searchers on another website and they said Tim had asked them to check out woods by the anthonys house before they quit and they were told not to tell anyone. something is not right. I was a police dispatcher for 15 years and I know all the officers I work with would have made sure in August about the calls. I think it was a major mistake with lots of excuses from LE. IMOWell to be fair there was proof it was called in , there are three 911 calls just as LE said. I agree they missed it just don't particulary see anything hinky at least not yet. Also they found bones clear at the perimeter of the woods , from one end to the other. So no telling how the animals and water moved that bag.

[Justice Denied?]

http://i41.tinypic.com/555ljn.jpg

If I had to guess, I would say you are dead right on that one, allowing for the fact some features are like Casey's.

[Amy]

According to neighbors, the area was under water until right about the time that Caylee's body was discovered, right?

And, so did Tim Miller.

In the August calls, the MR mentions the SWAMPY areas on both sides of the road. He mentioned trees and brush. And SWAMP.

None of the sightings by MR could have been from the road. In the second call he says there is a swamp area on the left, it is behind trees and the weeds are really high. In both of the first two calls, it would be hard to determine exactly where along the road, and even WHICH road he was talking about. The first call he was saying perhaps Good Hope Road. Even with all the notoriety about the case, the dispatcher doesn't catch on to when he is saying Caylee Anthony, the Anthony road, or I would think she would have known to ask if he meant Hope Spring Drive.

It wasn't until the 3rd call that LE would know exactly where he meant, which is the time he went to the area and called SO to let them know, as he had been told they would meet him there.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well to be fair there was proof it was called in , there are three 911 calls just as LE said. I agree they missed it just don't particulary see anything hinky at least not yet. Also they found bones clear at the perimeter of the woods , from one end to the other. So no telling how the animals and water moved that bag.

Exactly.

OT: So who's the lamoid deputy who was afraid of the rattlesnake? I want to see the results of the OCSO investigation!

And I agree with Sara about having confidence in local LE. Our city and county guys are great. And so are our 911 personnel. I mean, could those people who Kronk talked to have been any more disinterested?

[mu8shark]

And, so did Tim Miller.

In the August calls, the MR mentions the SWAMPY areas on both sides of the road. He mentioned trees and brush. And SWAMP.

None of the sightings by MR could have been from the road. In the second call he says there is a swamp area on the left, it is behind trees and the weeds are really high. In both of the first two calls, it would be hard to determine exactly where along the road, and even WHICH road he was talking about. The first call he was saying perhaps Good Hope Road. Even with all the notoriety about the case, the dispatcher doesn't catch on to when he is saying Caylee Anthony, the Anthony road, or I would think she would have known to ask if he meant Hope Spring Drive.

It wasn't until the 3rd call that LE would know exactly where he meant, which is the time he went to the area and called SO to let them know, as he had been told they would meet him there. This is a good post with some great points. The neighbors in that area indeed said even before the hurricane there was lots of water which did not subside until late Nov and the neighbors have no dog in the hunt. And I agree about the vagueness of the calls , if he was not there to meet them , that foresty type area could be confusing. I thought in the first call strangely the dispatcher seemed just vaguely interested but maybe they are just supposed to be dispassionate.

[SaraSidle]

Basically, LP is saying that Casey gave Lee information that he somehow was able to transmit to the meter reader, so that the meter reader could "find" the body. We'll have to check the transcript, Jean didn't give him a lot of time. In fact, it seemed like she cut him off, or the commercial did.



Because he's the cutest little old man in Florida, that's why!!

well you know Loretta Lee and Casey had a very strange phone call when she was first arrested that sounded like code. I am sorry I do not have it on hand to send to you but it is very interesting. Makes me believe anything at this point. Oh and I missed you too lots.

[lorettalockhorn]

And, so did Tim Miller.

In the August calls, the MR mentions the SWAMPY areas on both sides of the road. He mentioned trees and brush. And SWAMP.

None of the sightings by MR could have been from the road. In the second call he says there is a swamp area on the left, it is behind trees and the weeds are really high. In both of the first two calls, it would be hard to determine exactly where along the road, and even WHICH road he was talking about. The first call he was saying perhaps Good Hope Road. Even with all the notoriety about the case, the dispatcher doesn't catch on to when he is saying Caylee Anthony, the Anthony road, or I would think she would have known to ask if he meant Hope Spring Drive.

It wasn't until the 3rd call that LE would know exactly where he meant, which is the time he went to the area and called SO to let them know, as he had been told they would meet him there.

Oh, for sure. & Tim Miller's word is gospel as far as I'm concerned.

[mu8shark]

Exactly.

OT: So who's the lamoid deputy who was afraid of the rattlesnake? I want to see the results of the OCSO investigation!

And I agree with Sara about having confidence in local LE. Our city and county guys are great. And so are our 911 personnel. I mean, could those people who Kronk talked to have been any more disinterested? Okay so that was not my imagination. It sounded like the on the first call the lady was filing her nails and reading a book. I thought it was just me but she does sound like ho hum

[Amy]

you know I can't help but think of my niece who had a child out of wedlock and the Dad is not involved because he does not want to be and my niece was able to apply for food stamps and help on her babysitting so she could work and be out on her own. Some might find food stamps shameful or an easy way out, but I always tell her she is doing what she can to make it on her own and not sponging off her parents or anyone else. Casey would never have done this as it would be bad for image. You can get food stamps at least in KS without trying to get money from father first.

Not in all cases. I'm from KS, have a sister who never got assistance, and a cousin also not getting assistance because they would not name the fathers. No food stamps, no medical card, no assistance w/housing, nothing, nada. One child is now in her 20's, the other is now 16 or so. So, @ least 16 years ago, one could not get assistance without naming.

[Justice Denied?]

Hi everyone I want to let you all know I might not be online too much over the next few days. I have surgery on my nose today. Right now I'm not in much pain but I have cast over my nose and plastic splints stitched inside my nose so I'm sort of irritated but what I have inside my nose and I have wear drip pad and mask to catch bleeding and mucus. I will be watching NG and if I'm up to posting I will post.

Will be thinking of you and hope you heal soon.

[SaraSidle]

my goodness. the body of Caylee was 20 feet from the road. any officer could have checked that much out swamp or not. It was a national case in the news. the officer would have come out looking great. a tip is a tip. even if a dispatcher gets a hang up call they send an officer to the adress. I am not being paranoid or suspicious but someone dropped the ball and it makes me very angry IMO

[Amy]

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Wait a Minute! Wait a Minute! DD, are you serious?! Is it true Cindy didn't know Casey was pregnant until she was 7 months along?! Say it aint so!

(never paid particular attention to that discussion I guess, who knows, I'm probably losing it about now with this @#$& case)

Just tell me it's a joke,ok. :confused:

According to Uncle Rick (and confirmed by Cindy) when they went to his wedding in HI Casey was 7 months pregnant, everyone could see it, Cindy said she wasn't because she (Casey) would have to have had sex to be pregnant.

Later, in her FBI interview, she says that she had suspected Casey might be pregnant, but did not confront her on it, as she figured Casey would tell her in her own way in her own time.

[mu8shark]

my goodness. the body of Caylee was 20 feet from the road. any officer could have checked that much out swamp or not. It was a national case in the news. the officer would have come out looking great. a tip is a tip. even if a dispatcher gets a hang up call they send an officer to the adress. I am not being paranoid or suspicious but someone dropped the ball and it makes me very angry IMONo No I agree that they dropped the ball and I hate to think how much more they could have gotten from the forensics earlier. Maybe even cause of death.

[SaraSidle]

According to neighbors, the area was under water until right about the time that Caylee's body was discovered, right?

true Loretta. the hurricane came Aug 19th and it took a while for the water to go down which is probably why equusearch did not get it. but it was only swampy Aug 11th 12th and 13th which is when the meter man first called the police. I continue to find that interesting.

[POE-33]

my goodness. the body of Caylee was 20 feet from the road. any officer could have checked that much out swamp or not. It was a national case in the news. the officer would have come out looking great. a tip is a tip. even if a dispatcher gets a hang up call they send an officer to the adress. I am not being paranoid or suspicious but someone dropped the ball and it makes me very angry IMO

I've heard that the body was located everywhere from 20 ft. to 100 ft. from the road. About 60 ft. is most often used.
Regardless of where the bag with the skull was found, dogs could have dragged it a long distance.

However, I do agree with you that LE fumbled the ball.
That lot should have been a focus of an intense search all along, regardless of the Tropical Storm.
~~~

[SaraSidle]

No No I agree that they dropped the ball and I hate to think how much more they could have gotten from the forensics earlier. Maybe even cause of death.

that makes me so mad mu8shark. I am still hoping there is forensics cause of the duct tape but it really aggravates me that we could have found her in August and knew what was happening back then. I mean I have wanted her found since day one and we had to wait an extra for months cause of LE. I just do not understand I guess. not arguing just frustrated. IMO you know like Loretta I would love to read the 3 reports that were filed of the followups. we get to read almost everthing else.

[SaraSidle]

I've heard that the body was located everywhere from 20 ft. to 100 ft. from the road. About 60 ft. is most often used.
Regardless of where the bag with the skull was found, dogs could have dragged it a long distance.

However, I do agree with you that LE fumbled the ball.
That lot should have been a focus of an intense search all along, regardless of the Tropical Storm.
~~~

I agree but I did hear the bag was 20 feet from the road. I cannot find a link right now because I need to catch up. I just got my lap top back after 2 months and have not looked into a lot of links. Sorry IMO

[mu8shark]

I can't help but think Jose says we only know half of the story. Could it be Casey has a new nanny to accuse? http://i41.tinypic.com/33ylu2r.jpg I'm sorry I can't help myself sometimes. It is so bizarre sometimes and we need a little levity.

[SaraSidle]

Now this may sound like a 'Anthony' scenario, but.............

What if Casey knew JP before she hooked up with jesse, right? What if they had a one night stand or Something after a night out. What if in the light of day, JP says "you were just a lay, girl". (She then hates him, he doesn't want her)..she meets Jesse, same group, everyone knows everyone, whose roomie is: JP. Meanwhile, now Casey is pregnant. Would she tell JP? Nope. Would she tell Jesse? Nope. Does she tell her family? Nope. No one knows who the father is............not even the father!

Sounds crazy, but stranger things have been said and done~ and happened.
Caylee really does resemble him. Look at the eyes, the mouth, face shape, the hairline..

Anyone?

absolutely nothing in this case would surprise me. you could be right IMO

[SaraSidle]

I can't help but think Jose says we only know half of the story. Could it be Casey has a new nanny to accuse? http://i41.tinypic.com/33ylu2r.jpg I'm sorry I can't help myself sometimes. It is so bizarre sometimes and we need a little levity.

I always think levity is important mu8shark. good for you. this one has been so depressing and it was so hard that I could not post with you all the last 2 months but I kept the tv on CNN and followed it. my poor hubby everytime I got upset he would accuse me of being obssessed and I agreed with him and missed all of you so bad.

[mu8shark]

I always think levity is important mu8shark. good for you. this one has been so depressing and it was so hard that I could not post with you all the last 2 months but I kept the tv on CNN and followed it. my poor hubby everytime I got upset he would accuse me of being obssessed and I agreed with him and missed all of you so bad.Missed you too!

[SaraSidle]

Missed you too!

hey mu8shark do you think they will get something off the duct tape? I do IMO

[SaraSidle]

SURPRISE,MOM!!


Well then, Cindy didn't just start being in denial with Casey (re Caylee) when WE found out about this case...........How messed up is that? I just cannot believe it. Tell her in her own way?! Yes, just like she told you in her own way how and what happened to Caylee. :punch:

it is a textbook case of denial. It really should be used for students studying psychology and psychiatry IMO

[mu8shark]

hey mu8shark do you think they will get something off the duct tape? I do IMO I do have high hopes for this. I know Dr Perper said something regarding this but I missed it on NG and need to go look at the transcript. But Baden said it was highly possible even in water.It is almost impossible to use gloves with that kind of tape as Baden demonstrated.

[Justice Denied?]

I can't help but think Jose says we only know half of the story. Could it be Casey has a new nanny to accuse? http://i41.tinypic.com/33ylu2r.jpg I'm sorry I can't help myself sometimes. It is so bizarre sometimes and we need a little levity.

That's not a nanny, it's a housekeeper! No way that lady is gonna watch a kid. Maybe that's the problem, Casey MEANT housekeeper but she said nanny.

What? She doesn't have a house? Well, she didn't have a job either!:D:biggrin:

[SaraSidle]

I do have high hopes for this. I know Dr Perper said something regarding this but I missed it on NG and need to go look at the transcript. But Baden said it was highly possible even in water.It is almost impossible to use gloves with that kind of tape as Baden demonstrated.

I watched NG as I do every night and he was very uncommital to that in my opinion. NG is on at least 3 times a night. what state are you in? I can watch her again in 2 hours and 4 hours.

[SaraSidle]

That's not a nanny, it's a housekeeper! No way that lady is gonna watch a kid. Maybe that's the problem, Casey MEANT housekeeper but she said nanny.

What? She doesn't have a house? Well, she didn't have a job either!:D:biggrin:

LOL I do not think you watched the movie. He becomes the nanny of his own children. and do remember she was going to take over her parents house so I am sure she would hire a housekeeper instead of doing it herself. IMO :)

[mu8shark]

"The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be." End quote . I pulled this from the WFTV article and I think it is telling. Who was discussing in Nov where Caylees remains might be? I thought the Anthonys were certain she was alive and Baez was certain she was alive, yet they were discussing with Dominic Casey where her body might be. Why and who or what would lead them to that exact spot a month before that body was found??? This is fishy, fishy, fishy. I just think this statement says it all. Also , Dominic Casey was not working for Baez when he did the video but apparently if I get it right Casey was privy to convos where someone discussed a good area to look for the body. And how does this go, "Be sure and videotape just that one area out of all of the others in case we need to prove the body was not there to begin with" I mean if he has videotapes of lots of areas where there were searches or pings it would be one thing but just this one area. I don't know what to make of this.

[mu8shark]

LOL I do not think you watched the movie. He becomes the nanny of his own children. and do remember she was going to take over her parents house so I am sure she would hire a housekeeper instead of doing it herself. IMO :) Yeah it was a nanny she looked for in the movie and I am sure Mrs Doubtfire had a key. LOL

[mu8shark]

I watched NG as I do every night and he was very uncommital to that in my opinion. NG is on at least 3 times a night. what state are you in? I can watch her again in 2 hours and 4 hours.Thanks I sort of heard the question and just blanked out the answer and the transcript was not up yet.

[SaraSidle]

"The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be." End quote . I pulled this from the WFTV article and I think it is telling. Who was discussing in Nov where Caylees remains might be? I thought the Anthonys were certain she was alive and Baez was certain she was alive, yet they were discussing with Dominic Casey where her body might be. Why and who or what would lead them to that exact spot a month before that body was found??? This is fishy, fishy, fishy. I just think this statement says it all. Also , Dominic Casey was not working for Baez when he did the video but apparently if I get it right Casey was privy to convos where someone discussed a good area to look for the body. And how does this go, "Be sure and videotape just that one area out of all of the others in case we need to prove the body was not there to begin with" I mean if he has videotapes of lots of areas where there were searches or pings it would be one thing but just this one area. I don't know what to make of this.

wow very interesting. I do not have a lot of info about the dominic guy and what he did. you are right fishy fishy fishy

[mu8shark]

And this little blurb from WESH : Anthonys Expected To Be Candid With Investigators Regarding Casey

The Anthonys face the wrenching task of burying Caylee early in the New Year, but then, sources tell said, George, Cindy and Lee Anthony will be asked to play a pivotal role in holding Casey Anthony accountable or else.

As one investigator put it, "They're going to be asked to help convict her."

If the Anthonys are not candid and truthful, sources said, it may come to obstruction of justice charges against one or more of them.

Medical examiner Jan Garavaglia said it's unlikely they'll ever be able to determine a definitive cause of death, but sources said toxicology tests done on Caylee's hair will "give us clues in that direction."

The duct tape found on Caylee's skull proves what some of WESH 2’s sources close to the investigation have suspected about her death all along -- "It wasn't an accident."

Another aspect some insiders find haunting, is how close to the Anthony home Caylee's remains had been dumped.

WESH 2's sources said they simply gave Casey Anthony "far too much credit" that she would have done something more elaborate with her daughter's body.

Sources confirmed they do not suspect Roy Kronk, the meter reader who found the bag of Caylee’s remains, of playing any sort of sinister role in the case.

Lee Anthon, Casey Anthony's brother, has hired his own attorney.

Orlando attorney Tom Luka has been a vocal critic of alleged Taser gun misuse by local police.

He has filed multiple lawsuits on behalf of people who claim to have been harmed by the controversial stun weapons.

Previous Stories:

[SaraSidle]

Thanks I sort of heard the question and just blanked out the answer and the transcript was not up yet.

well if you have est it is back on at 1 am and 3 am. sometimes I rewatch it to make sure I did not miss anything. but truly on that question he was very noncommital. IMO

[mu8shark]

And this little blurb from WESH : Anthonys Expected To Be Candid With Investigators Regarding Casey

The Anthonys face the wrenching task of burying Caylee early in the New Year, but then, sources tell said, George, Cindy and Lee Anthony will be asked to play a pivotal role in holding Casey Anthony accountable or else.

As one investigator put it, "They're going to be asked to help convict her."

If the Anthonys are not candid and truthful, sources said, it may come to obstruction of justice charges against one or more of them.

Medical examiner Jan Garavaglia said it's unlikely they'll ever be able to determine a definitive cause of death, but sources said toxicology tests done on Caylee's hair will "give us clues in that direction."

The duct tape found on Caylee's skull proves what some of WESH 2’s sources close to the investigation have suspected about her death all along -- "It wasn't an accident."

Another aspect some insiders find haunting, is how close to the Anthony home Caylee's remains had been dumped.

WESH 2's sources said they simply gave Casey Anthony "far too much credit" that she would have done something more elaborate with her daughter's body.

Sources confirmed they do not suspect Roy Kronk, the meter reader who found the bag of Caylee’s remains, of playing any sort of sinister role in the case.

Lee Anthon, Casey Anthony's brother, has hired his own attorney.

Orlando attorney Tom Luka has been a vocal critic of alleged Taser gun misuse by local police.

He has filed multiple lawsuits on behalf of people who claim to have been harmed by the controversial stun weapons.

Previous Stories:Don't get me wrong on this , I am not saying the Anthonys do or do not deserve to be charged because I do not know what they know but to telegraph this to a reporter on the part of LE is just stupid. It will help any defense attorney who has to defend Lee, Cindy or Geroge say "They are persecuting the Anthonys because they won't say this or that about Casey." I am not saying it is bad strategy to do it and try to cause some things to come loose, so to speak but to say you are going to nail them if they don't tell you something or help you convict her, not good strategy. Can't they keep anything secret for F's sake?

[lorettalockhorn]

"The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be." End quote . I pulled this from the WFTV article and I think it is telling. Who was discussing in Nov where Caylees remains might be? I thought the Anthonys were certain she was alive and Baez was certain she was alive, yet they were discussing with Dominic Casey where her body might be. Why and who or what would lead them to that exact spot a month before that body was found??? This is fishy, fishy, fishy. I just think this statement says it all. Also , Dominic Casey was not working for Baez when he did the video but apparently if I get it right Casey was privy to convos where someone discussed a good area to look for the body. And how does this go, "Be sure and videotape just that one area out of all of the others in case we need to prove the body was not there to begin with" I mean if he has videotapes of lots of areas where there were searches or pings it would be one thing but just this one area. I don't know what to make of this.

Boy will Cindy be royally pissed when she realizes that while Dominic was working for her, he discussed Caylee's dead body. He better hire an attorney, because Cindy will probably assert that he is the real killer/kidnapper and he dumped the body to frame Casey.

[SaraSidle]

I didn't want to say it, but now that you threw in the wonder about Lee moving the body, I had to wonder why Lee was playing truth or dare with his sister (whom he referred to as "Darling" ) in the jail video. When he was coding his questions about where they might look for Caylee he might have been trying to get her to tell him so he could move the body. He also intimated that he knew Caylee was no longer. I say that because he was looking for a Caylee that was close to home, not far away in the hands of Zanny. He wanted to get her out of jail. That much was clear. On the other hand, he may be up for grabs because of his code speak which implies that he was trying to help her get way with murder. Like they say, we will have to wait and see. (I hate when they say that)

Excellent theory. when I first heard that taped coded phone call I knew something was not right. It definitely sounds like something is up. And I still believe in my heart that C & G knew something was up but could not face the fact that Caylee was gone. I think they loved her as their own and the do not have a lot to offer as evidence except the car smell. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Boy will Cindy be royally pissed when she realizes that while Dominic was working for her, he discussed Caylee's dead body. He better hire an attorney, because Cindy will probably assert that he is the real killer/kidnapper and he dumped the body to frame Casey.

wow loretta that is so true.

[SaraSidle]

Initially Lee wasn't silent at all. He told the police that when eh asked his sister why she was keeping Caylee from their parents, she said, "I guess I'm a spiteful *****" He also told them that when he went over to his parent's home at on point he went inside the house and no one was there but the stench from the car in the garage was awful... He got silent later when Casey got arrested.

Danagher did you listen to the first tape of Lee talking to Casey in Jail? It is so coded it is scarey!!!!!!!!! IMO

[mu8shark]

Boy will Cindy be royally pissed when she realizes that while Dominic was working for her, he discussed Caylee's dead body. He better hire an attorney, because Cindy will probably assert that he is the real killer/kidnapper and he dumped the body to frame Casey.But here is my question, why did he just happen to go photograph that area? Dumb luck? Nobody can tell me somebody did not suggest it, whether he and Baez discussed that area for some reason or Cindy and George or Lee suggested it. Nobody can convince me out of all the areas possible he just videotapped this one and I suspect LE has the same question. It is just too unreal. If they have like tapes of ten or twenty other areas that is one thing but just this one area and one month after he goes to work for the Anthonys. I smell something.

[SaraSidle]

But here is my question, why did he just happen to go photograph that area? Dumb luck? Nobody can tell me somebody did not suggest it, whether he and Baez discussed that area for some reason or Cindy and George or Lee suggested it. Nobody can convince me out of all the areas possible he just videotapped this one and I suspect LE has the same question. It is just too unreal. If they have like tapes of ten or twenty other areas that is one thing but just this one area and one month after he goes to work for the Anthonys. I smell something.

as they said on NG tonight we do not know for sure it is the same area. if you can do a google map on Orlando there are many many sites that look like that................IMO

[SaraSidle]

Yes, they will get pissed about Dominic... and I'd venture to bet that Lee's lawyer is going to get fired tomorrow for blaspheming his own client on national TV. You know how the Anthony's are about being criticized. They won't deal with 3 out of 3 family members being out of the pretentious loop.

can this case get any more complicated? do not reply. rhetorical question

[mu8shark]

as they said on NG tonight we do not know for sure it is the same area. if you can do a google map on Orlando there are many many sites that look like that................IMOOh now that could very well be , in that case it is just another case of someone connected with the Anthonys trying to bamboozle and make Casey appear innocent. Absolutely but if it turns out to be the very same spot...... you know.....

[javahog]

But here is my question, why did he just happen to go photograph that area? Dumb luck? Nobody can tell me somebody did not suggest it, whether he and Baez discussed that area for some reason or Cindy and George or Lee suggested it. Nobody can convince me out of all the areas possible he just videotapped this one and I suspect LE has the same question. It is just too unreal. If they have like tapes of ten or twenty other areas that is one thing but just this one area and one month after he goes to work for the Anthonys. I smell something.

They're all nuts.

Can you tell I don't feel too analytical tonight?

[SaraSidle]

They're all nuts.

Can you tell I don't feel too analytical tonight?

LOL as we all should feel burnt out 6 months of bizarre IMO

[mu8shark]

You know what Sara, I just thought of something , if the investigator insists there was nothing in that area as late as Nov then what to make of the meter reader calling clear back in Aug and seeing the same bag? It just occured to me that it is probably just the Anthonys investigator trying to make noise about a different area. I was thinking at first if I were trying to help Casey I would see that that area was photographed in Nov and then in Dec I might just drop the body there to clear her. However, this does not account for the meter reader seeing it way before November. I now surmise the investigator is full of it and isn't Dominic Casey affiliated with KidFinders or more accurately we have never found a kid. ?? LOL

[SaraSidle]

Watching NG I was glad to hear one of the heads say "she wasn't as smart as she thought she was. Noting that most murderers are stupid, some are smart enough to know that a dead body will stink after a day or two. She drove that car around with her dead daughter in it until she couldn't stand the smell. Someone here said that in Florida the temperature gets so high in the trunk of the car, that a can of dog food exploded!!! Will we hear that little Caylee's body exploded? (God forbid) We will hear a lot I have a feeling, that we dont' know now.

When LP talked about the daisy chain (Boy is that gonna bite him on the arse) he was using metaphor right? I mean what do we think of when we think of a daisy? He loves me, he loves me not) I think he used that analogy to import the yes/no questions on the case. So in the daisy chain lives the possibility that Lee tipped someone off as to location of the body.

Maybe I should just have a glass of hagnog before loretta gets it all. In that glass I may find the answer to why Lenard is such a jack@ss.

I cant' take it, I tell ya!

would love to know what hagnog is? I take LP with a grain of salt. he is smart but he was sure Caylee was in the river. and if people paid attention she told her family Caylee was close. Tim Miller caught that but by the time he started Fay had flooded the area. IMO

[mu8shark]

Watching NG I was glad to hear one of the heads say "she wasn't as smart as she thought she was. Noting that most murderers are stupid, some are smart enough to know that a dead body will stink after a day or two. She drove that car around with her dead daughter in it until she couldn't stand the smell. Someone here said that in Florida the temperature gets so high in the trunk of the car, that a can of dog food exploded!!! Will we hear that little Caylee's body exploded? (God forbid) We will hear a lot I have a feeling, that we dont' know now.

When LP talked about the daisy chain (Boy is that gonna bite him on the arse) he was using metaphor right? I mean what do we think of when we think of a daisy? He loves me, he loves me not) I think he used that analogy to import the yes/no questions on the case. So in the daisy chain lives the possibility that Lee tipped someone off as to location of the body.

Maybe I should just have a glass of hagnog before loretta gets it all. In that glass I may find the answer to why Lenard is such a jack@ss.

I cant' take it, I tell ya!Here is the problem with Leonard, he gets a lot of inside info from somebody , but not all the info. And sometimes he does not know what to do with it and goes off on his own theories, but he knew first what clothes exactly were found in the bag and he has been on the mark on some other stuff but some of his theories are way out there. If somebody had wanted to tip the meter reader or anyone else off about where that body really was as early as Aug, they would have just called the tip line anonymously. There is no daisy chain.

[SaraSidle]

You know what Sara, I just thought of something , if the investigator insists there was nothing in that area as late as Nov then what to make of the meter reader calling clear back in Aug and seeing the same bag? It just occured to me that it is probably just the Anthonys investigator trying to make noise about a different area. I was thinking at first if I were trying to help Casey I would see that that area was photographed in Nov and then in Dec I might just drop the body there to clear her. However, this does not account for the meter reader seeing it way before November. I now surmise the investigator is full of it and isn't Dominic Casey affiliated with KidFinders or more accurately we have never found a kid. ?? LOL

excellent my dear watson. I have no idea who the investigator is or what he is doing but more importantly Tim Miller and I think that she has been there since June. remember how decompensated the body is. takes a while for all the animals to eat the flesh and seperate the bones. Tim Miller also suggest that the space where the bag had been layin has left an indentation in the area where it layed which also suggests she has been there a long time.................IMO

[SaraSidle]

Here is the problem with Leonard, he gets a lot of inside info from somebody , but not all the info. And sometimes he does not know what to do with it and goes off on his own theories, but he knew first what clothes exactly were found in the bag and he has been on the mark on some other stuff but some of his theories are way out there. If somebody had wanted to tip the meter reader or anyone else off about where that body really was as early as Aug, they would have just called the tip line anonymously. There is no daisy chain.

I agree. Leonard has tried very hard but he did not come close. He was convinced Caylee was in the garbage dump after being put into a dumpster. He was also convince she was in the river and she was not. but he did try. I listened to him with an open mind but kept that mind open. I always got chills when Casey told her family that she felt Caylee close. LP did say that her lies had some truth and there you go. IMO

[javahog]

as they said on NG tonight we do not know for sure it is the same area. if you can do a google map on Orlando there are many many sites that look like that................IMO

Oh, look. There's a plant. And a tree. This location is certainly unique in all of Florida, a land devoid of plants and trees.

The only ways to truly prove the locations are the same are if they took two photos from slightly different locations to triangulate landmarks, or if there is some truly unique identifying mark on something, say a tree. Oh, and someone could always say, oh, that's where I dropped the bag when we were done photographing the spot, but the last one is unlikely if they know what's good for them.

I wonder what Lee is in trouble for? I am sure my imagined list is far more interesting than LE's. For example, I wonder if he had access to rattlesnakes, hahaha! Hey, and you know how they were saying that the CSI folks were getting poison ivy? I had a professor who wanted to protect a petroglyph, so she planted poison oak around it. It worked! *sigh* The truth will be so boring.

[mu8shark]

Oh, look. There's a plant. And a tree. This location is certainly unique in all of Florida, a land devoid of plants and trees.

The only ways to truly prove the locations are the same are if they took two photos from slightly different locations to triangulate landmarks, or if there is some truly unique identifying mark on something, say a tree. Oh, and someone could always say, oh, that's where I dropped the bag when we were done photographing the spot, but the last one is unlikely if they know what's good for them.

I wonder what Lee is in trouble for? I am sure my imagined list is far more interesting than LE's. For example, I wonder if he had access to rattlesnakes, hahaha! Hey, and you know how they were saying that the CSI folks were getting poison ivy? I had a professor who wanted to protect a petroglyph, so she planted poison oak around it. It worked! *sigh* The truth will be so boring. I know that is right about the truth probably being boring or maybe totally shocking! But my imagination is very fertile too LOL although I am never a big believer in conspiracies because basically if two people know about something, one of them always opens their mouth and they only keep a secret if it benefits them . LOL . So I try not to get too far off track. I guess if it were Lee's fingerprints on that bag they would have arrested him by now I keep telling myself, it must be something slighter, although tampering with evidence and aiding and abetting sounds omnious LOL. Well nite to all :seeya:

[javahog]

So here's a question...

Since it seems that there is always a grain of truth in all KC's lies (like, "I feel she's close to home"), what to make of her comments that LE "hadn't even found her clothes, yet". That tells me they should be in a real obvious place, more so even than the body, if the pattern holds...

Could it be that there were 2 bags, and the MR saw one that had clothes right there by the side of the road, and it was the second bag deeper in and better hidden that had the body? It would explain the conficting info as to the color of the bag...

[SaraSidle]

Oh, look. There's a plant. And a tree. This location is certainly unique in all of Florida, a land devoid of plants and trees.

The only ways to truly prove the locations are the same are if they took two photos from slightly different locations to triangulate landmarks, or if there is some truly unique identifying mark on something, say a tree. Oh, and someone could always say, oh, that's where I dropped the bag when we were done photographing the spot, but the last one is unlikely if they know what's good for them.

I wonder what Lee is in trouble for? I am sure my imagined list is far more interesting than LE's. For example, I wonder if he had access to rattlesnakes, hahaha! Hey, and you know how they were saying that the CSI folks were getting poison ivy? I had a professor who wanted to protect a petroglyph, so she planted poison oak around it. It worked! *sigh* The truth will be so boring.

very interesting points. I too am curious about what is going on with Lee

[SaraSidle]

I love Tim Miller. He shows his feelings and is still able to use his intellect. I never have forgotten what he said about the location of the body and tend to lean on his experience and his words. I don't believe anyone moved the body but I do believe Casey wanted Lee to find it and move it. She's a monster.


He might be too because it sure sounded like he wanted her to tell him where is was.

yeah that whole thing is a mystery to me at this point. I would love to know what they were saying on the "coded" call when she was in jail. I was giving her the benefit of the doubt until I heard about the duct tape. I now remain angry and disgusted. IMO

[javahog]

I know that is right about the truth probably being boring or maybe totally shocking! But my imagination is very fertile too LOL although I am never a big believer in conspiracies because basically if two people know about something, one of them always opens their mouth and they only keep a secret if it benefits them . LOL . So I try not to get too far off track. I guess if it were Lee's fingerprints on that bag they would have arrested him by now I keep telling myself, it must be something slighter, although tampering with evidence and aiding and abetting sounds omnious LOL. Well nite to all :seeya:

Maybe he helped mom do a little TOO much laundry, if you know what I mean, lol night!:seeya:

[SaraSidle]

So here's a question...

Since it seems that there is always a grain of truth in all KC's lies (like, "I feel she's close to home"), what to make of her comments that LE "hadn't even found her clothes, yet". That tells me they should be in a real obvious place, more so even than the body, if the pattern holds...

Could it be that there were 2 bags, and the MR saw one that had clothes right there by the side of the road, and it was the second bag deeper in and better hidden that had the body? It would explain the conficting info as to the color of the bag...

Actually I heard on CNN that there was more than one garbage bag by one of the officers who went there last August. I am sorry I do not have a link. I just got my computer back tonight after 2 months but I have been watching CNN 24/7 IMO

[SaraSidle]

"I wonder what Lee is in trouble for?"

Maybe he ate the daisies?

Well it looks like someone spiked my hagnog and now I'm sure it's time for night night. :tongue:

Goodnight my friends.. Thanks for all the fantastic reads. You worked hard tonight. Thanks for tolerating my frittata stories. I gotta million of um!
:seeya:

not nice. you have still not told us what hagnog is. is it eggnog in the US?
It has been an informative night thanks to everyone

[SaraSidle]

Maybe he helped mom do a little TOO much laundry, if you know what I mean, lol night!:seeya:

I am just wondering if it could be as easy as him just covering for her. and for him to get the charges dropped he has to tell what he know. IMO

[javahog]

Actually I heard on CNN that there was more than one garbage bag by one of the officers who went there last August. I am sorry I do not have a link. I just got my computer back tonight after 2 months but I have been watching CNN 24/7 IMO

I think its going to take a long time to process the scene. If TioMarie (sp?) is accurate that this is a pet cemetery/teenager hangout/etc. it'll take them forever to sort out what material is relevant to the case and what's not...and since the bag(s) broke, what came out of what bag will be fun...imo

What a mess. Sure would have been nice if the scene was searched in August.

[javahog]

I am just wondering if it could be as easy as him just covering for her. and for him to get the charges dropped he has to tell what he know. IMO

Or perhaps this is to put pressure on the senior Anthony's to divulge as well...it would suck to have BOTH of the children in prison. (imo, of course)

I agree, this could well be a ploy to get someone to ante up...

[javahog]

*sigh*. I'm beat and will soon begin to hallucinate from exhaustion...Good night! :seeya:

[SaraSidle]

I think its going to take a long time to process the scene. If TioMarie (sp?) is accurate that this is a pet cemetery/teenager hangout/etc. it'll take them forever to sort out what material is relevant to the case and what's not...and since the bag(s) broke, what came out of what bag will be fun...imo

What a mess. Sure would have been nice if the scene was searched in August.
I agree but we can hope something can come off the duct tape.

[SaraSidle]

[QUOTE=Danagher;9149063]Well suffice it to say it is a legal mind altering substance most of which we never actually drink. We are hags at times

okay you are playin me now. I will look it up. have a good sleep

[SaraSidle]

*sigh*. I'm beat and will soon begin to hallucinate from exhaustion...Good night! :seeya:

me too Java have a good sleep and thanks for the postings. hallucinating can be fun

[Amy]

Initially Lee wasn't silent at all. He told the police that when eh asked his sister why she was keeping Caylee from their parents, she said, "I guess I'm a spiteful *****" He also told them that when he went over to his parent's home at on point he went inside the house and no one was there but the stench from the car in the garage was awful... He got silent later when Casey got arrested.

He laid low, under the radar of the media, so it would seem. Wonder if LE had their radar on him? Wonder what he was doing when no one was looking-during his "investigative" efforts? Hmmmm............

[SaraSidle]

anyone think Lee might be dad? just asking>>>>>>>>>>>>Imo

[sharlock]

Hello Sara, nice to meet you!

Not sure if it was the first tape, but I remember his affectionate attitude (or fear) toward her in the video I did see, and know he was asking her to tell him something by giving her clues. It was just like charades. He was very close to getting into pig latin and she was giving him yes or no answers. Neither one was very good at fooling a mindless idiot, let alone the LE and the public.

I found that vid amusing but telling none the less. He was trying to get her to tell him who was suspicious he asked first those that the family thought were suspicious like Amy and he gets a reaction of how lovely she is and what a good freid and how she'd never harm Caylee kind of thing and he's thinking to himself that Casey is giving yes's instead of no's and vice versa so he throws out his Mums name but she answers no? The confusion from him then is palpable. Is Casey really telling him that Mum is a suspect or has she just told me that all of the people we thought could have been mixed up in Caylees dissappearance have nothing to do with it and I should suspect those that we are pretty sure are in the clear like Annie? He is having such a hard time getting it Casey has to break it down for him and assure him she is not trying to speak in code and that he can trust what she says at face value.
This more than anything else convinced me that Casey did not discuss defence strategies with her family before going to jail. She was alibiing the only ones that the family wanted to blame and blaming others that didn't make sense; so you can se that the family had a completely different gameplan to casey. I thought at times they even tried to insinuate their gameplan to her so she could react better than she was doing but Casey is far to sure of herself and sure of her superiority over the family to take any advice from them. She has always had a backup plan if the nanny story fell through and it involves discrediting anyone who has something bad to say or knows something bad about her like Annie and Jesse and eventually even Tony when he wouldn't talk to her but she always knew she could play the family card as well. She will knife them in the back as quick as look at them and that is why the family are trying so hard to keep her thinking they beleive her, they are trying to prevent this imo.

[sharlock]

Here is the problem with Leonard, he gets a lot of inside info from somebody , but not all the info. And sometimes he does not know what to do with it and goes off on his own theories, but he knew first what clothes exactly were found in the bag and he has been on the mark on some other stuff but some of his theories are way out there. If somebody had wanted to tip the meter reader or anyone else off about where that body really was as early as Aug, they would have just called the tip line anonymously. There is no daisy chain.

I am really up in the air on this. I really want to take Roy at face value and I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now but I really don't like how this played out. Something is a little off?
I agree LP does have an inside source and gets some info from there but I also thinks he takes what he is told then surfs the forums until he finds someone with a theory that seems to fit nicely with what he has been told. That is why I don't take him as gospel but do listen to him.

[sharlock]

anyone think Lee might be dad? just asking>>>>>>>>>>>>Imo
The more I hear the more I think it could be the case though I hope not.

[sharlock]

[quote=Danagher;9149063]Well suffice it to say it is a legal mind altering substance most of which we never actually drink. We are hags at times

okay you are playin me now. I will look it up. have a good sleep

LOL, I could be wrong but I thought it was kind of a cross between eggnog and haterade but don't hold me to that!:beer:

[sharlock]

Wel hagnog is not unlike eggnog with a touch of haterade in it. ;)

Yes Lenard is quite a character. He's not as smart as he thinks but not as stupid as Casey Anthony. He is probably a soft kind of guy with a ton of unrestrained emotions but he wants to come across as a genius crime solver. His problem is, he thinks out loud and carves his wild imaginings in granite. At least (speaking strictly for me) we can delete ours. Mostly Lenard is a pompous @ss. But I kind of like him. He reminds me of most of my family members. But I'm not like them! I swear ya honna! ;)

I like Golda Mier's famous quote: "Dont be so humble, you're not that great."

Sorry Danagher, I am all over the place and must have missed this post. Well at least I know I was on the money! Bottoms up!:beer:

[sharlock]

But here is my question, why did he just happen to go photograph that area? Dumb luck? Nobody can tell me somebody did not suggest it, whether he and Baez discussed that area for some reason or Cindy and George or Lee suggested it. Nobody can convince me out of all the areas possible he just videotapped this one and I suspect LE has the same question. It is just too unreal. If they have like tapes of ten or twenty other areas that is one thing but just this one area and one month after he goes to work for the Anthonys. I smell something.
Good call mu8shark, methinks something smells rotten in Denmark!

[sharlock]

"Check things locally Lee. In all honesty. Places that are familiar to us, to our family. Ask mom specific places that I mentioned when her and I spoke over the last period of time. Over the last few weeks. She should remember specific places."
Now this sounds like she is telling him how to find little Caylee's body doesn't it.

[jas72]

Yes Lenard is quite a character. He's not as smart as he thinks but not as stupid as Casey Anthony. He is probably a soft kind of guy with a ton of unrestrained emotions but he wants to come across as a genius crime solver. His problem is, he thinks out loud and carves his wild imaginings in granite. At least (speaking strictly for me) we can delete ours. Mostly Lenard is a pompous @ss. But I kind of like him. He reminds me of most of my family members. But I'm not like them! I swear ya honna! ;)

As I've said on numerous occasions, I have absolutely NO idea why this guy gets air time. He is a bounty hunter, not "Columbo." Last night I was glad that Jean Casarez called him out and asked him what proof he had on his wacky theories. Did you recall hearing this idea on why he thinks Kronk was tipped? "There`s no way you`re going to stop on that road to -- to go relieve yourself down that slope and into those woods when you`ve got a friend that works with you right around the corner. You can go and use the bathroom in his home." No way, LP? No way? Yes, way! Mr. Kronk does not appear to me to be the kind of guy who has a problem going wee-wee in the woods. He probably has had to do so on numerous occasions and I can't imagine his ever deciding that he'd rather go to his friend's house and use the bathroom instead of making a quick trip into the woods. I don't know how close "right around the corner" is, either, but even so, Mr. Kronk's shoes would have probably been dirty from tromping around reading meters, and unless he had to (trying to be delicate here) go number 2, it was probably way more convenient and quick to just do what he'd done in the past, and that was to find a tree in an area where he couldn't be seen by a casual passer-by. Now, Jean or Nancy or any woman for that manner, may not be as familiar with relieving oneself in the woods, but as a lot of guys will tell you, especially golfers, hunters, etc., going in the woods is a no-brainer for most men. So for LP to say that there is "no way" Mr. Kronk would do so because a friend had a home "right around the corner" just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

[FDInLaw]

anyone think Lee might be dad? just asking>>>>>>>>>>>>Imo

That rumor has been going around on the Internet. . . CayLEE, and the fact that Casey did not go after someone for child support or even go on welfare when she could have. Some even suggest George. IMO, as messed up as this situation and family may be, I suspect that Casey might not know for sure due to the way she parties. There may be some family secrets that Casey has used to keep her parents "in line" but incest seems like a big whopper to me. . . I need more proof. If Casey is a true sociopath, she would not need a trigger like that as some argue. JMO

[shadydaisy]

anyone think Lee might be dad? just asking>>>>>>>>>>>>Imo

I'm not saying it's a strong possibility but I do believe it is a possibility. Casey would do anything to get money. She wouldn't care if the man was married, she'd still go for child support OR hush money. If he was dead, as she said, she'd be the first in line for SS benefits. Money was/is a big issue for the A's. If there was someone to get money from, they would be on it.

Lee's reactions to the whole fiasco has been suspect. I love my sibs, but there are boundaries.

We may never know who the dad was but my curiousity level is high. I would love for something to come out at the trial.

[sharlock]

That rumor has been going around on the Internet. . . CayLEE, and the fact that Casey did not go after someone for child support or even go on welfare when she could have. Some even suggest George. IMO, as messed up as this situation and family may be, I suspect that Casey might not know for sure due to the way she parties. There may be some family secrets that Casey has used to keep her parents "in line" but incest seems like a big whopper to me. . . I need more proof. If Casey is a true sociopath, she would not need a trigger like that as some argue. JMO
Very true FD it is concerning how persistent this rumour has been though and I can see how the defense could try and use it to free Casey. I don't doubt that whether she was ever molested or not Casey would say she was if it was in her best interest and she could easily tell a story of how Caylee was being abused she was confused torn between a sick jealousy (to show instability and engender sympathy for her suffering) and an overwhelming urge to protect Caylee which forced her to kill her own child(to try and avert the prememditation and show she was in extreme distress and not thinking rationally at the time).
Don't get me wrong here I don't beleive any of this for a second but I do think Casey is not above trying that on for a defense if she felt she had to.:shrug: Her ego though would probably make this a last resort because I feel certain she would prefer to get away with a completely not guilty sentence so she would look better and be able to sell her story.
Ewwgh I feel sick just thinking about it, I hope they destroy her in court and expose her truly sick nature.
RIP Caylee:rose:

[sharlock]

shar, you are a devoted psycho detective and I will give a toast to your talent tonight when I pour the hagnog!
:beer:
Ohh thankyou Danagher it is the good company of fellow devotees, like yourself, I keep! I am blushing but I think a swig of hagnog will fix that! Cheers:beer:

[Gatordog]

I had to go to a wedding in Ft Lauderdale so I'm a little behind in reading posts, sorry if I repeat what's been said. First, as I was driving on 95, I saw a where's Caylee poster in Boynton Beach, 3.5 hours south of here. The Anthony's did a big injustice to the public by saying no one was looking for Caylee.

It's reported that back in November, Dominic Casey the detective, was seen videotaping the exact area where the remains where found. Why was he filming this exact area only for about 1.5 minutes?

LE is looking hard at charging Lee with obstruction or tampering charges.

C&G keeping very low profile and rarely seen. Probably ashamesd to show their faces now that they can no longer deny the truth. On Christmas they went to the Union Mission to see the children open the gifts which were donated in Caylee's memory.

Mark Nejame, the former Anthony attorney, is going to give Roy Kronk $5K for finding Caylee. It's the money he was paid to represent them.

Padilla said he would also give him money on the condition that Kronk answers Padilla's questions in person.

Reportedly, some of the experts on the defense are getting paid. Kathy Reichs (forensic antropologist = BONES) is getting paid $100K but has only been paid half. The other half is being held in an account to guarantee that she doesn't give any information to the media. If she talks too much, she loses the money.

Gator

[FDInLaw]

Thanks for reporting on the local scoop, Gator!

Now, pass me some hagnog. :seeya:

[eatcupcakes]

In following this case, if you can follow it, it is very confusing. It is confusing because all the cast seem a little strange to say the least. Starting with Casey and running right through to the Bounty Hunter, LP and the MR.

The family seem to be practiced liars from the mother right through to the kids, not sure about George. How could the mother who is a nurse not realize that her daughter was 7 months PG. I think she knew it just like she knew deep down that Caylee was deceased, she seems to always be in denial.

The father of Caylee is a mystery, she could have gotten Welfare, but never applied, choosing instead to rob from her friends and family. She got fired from her job 2 years ago. Were did she go every day for two years? Why didn't she get another job? How did she come up with a name for a non exsistant nanny. Rich people have nannies, regular people have babysitters. Were would she have gotten the $$$ for a nanny even if she worked.

Why did a bounty hunter from CA go to Florida and bail her out of jail, then resind the bail. I know what he said his reason was, not sure I believe it and why does NG keep having him on giving his opinion, he is only guessing. Why did a MR call 3 times in August and then again in Dec. If it was me after the first 3 times I would have forgetten about it. This does seem odd.

Is Lee George and Cindys son. He appears to be quite a bit older than Casey.
Cindy does not look old enough to have a son his age. Could he be Georges son from another marriage. I do know George was married befor. That would make him Casey's half brother.

This is a very strange cast. It will make a good movie, book or both. I have a theory that George and Cindy didn't just go to CA to follow up a lead about Caylee I think they may have made a deal with a media company. Otherwise where is the money coming from for all these attorneys. HMM I can't wait for the trial so I can get some truthful answers for which there is proof.

[Gatordog]

As I've said on numerous occasions, I have absolutely NO idea why this guy gets air time. He is a bounty hunter, not "Columbo." Last night I was glad that Jean Casarez called him out and asked him what proof he had on his wacky theories. Did you recall hearing this idea on why he thinks Kronk was tipped? "There`s no way you`re going to stop on that road to -- to go relieve yourself down that slope and into those woods when you`ve got a friend that works with you right around the corner. You can go and use the bathroom in his home." No way, LP? No way? Yes, way! Mr. Kronk does not appear to me to be the kind of guy who has a problem going wee-wee in the woods. He probably has had to do so on numerous occasions and I can't imagine his ever deciding that he'd rather go to his friend's house and use the bathroom instead of making a quick trip into the woods. I don't know how close "right around the corner" is, either, but even so, Mr. Kronk's shoes would have probably been dirty from tromping around reading meters, and unless he had to (trying to be delicate here) go number 2, it was probably way more convenient and quick to just do what he'd done in the past, and that was to find a tree in an area where he couldn't be seen by a casual passer-by. Now, Jean or Nancy or any woman for that manner, may not be as familiar with relieving oneself in the woods, but as a lot of guys will tell you, especially golfers, hunters, etc., going in the woods is a no-brainer for most men. So for LP to say that there is "no way" Mr. Kronk would do so because a friend had a home "right around the corner" just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

I've got to agree with you. I like Padilla but I think he's "jumped the shark" on his theories now. I believe that Kronk was working alone - no partner. If there is a co-worker who lives close by, Kronk is just supposed to go over to his house if his wife is home and use the bathroom? What if no one was home and I would't let anyone in my home if I was alone. That's how women get killed. Plus, I have two dogs and four cats and live in Chaos (Can't have anyone over syndrome). :D

Gator

[FDInLaw]

In following this case, if you can follow it, it is very confusing. It is confusing because all the cast seem a little strange to say the least. Starting with Casey and running right through to the Bounty Hunter, LP and the MR.

The family seem to be practiced liars from the mother right through to the kids, not sure about George. How could the mother who is a nurse not realize that her daughter was 7 months PG. I think she knew it just like she knew deep down that Caylee was deceased, she seems to always be in denial.

The father of Caylee is a mystery, she could have gotten Welfare, but never applied, choosing instead to rob from her friends and family. She got fired from her job 2 years ago. Were did she go every day for two years? Why didn't she get another job? How did she come up with a name for a non exsistant nanny. Rich people have nannies, regular people have babysitters. Were would she have gotten the $$$ for a nanny even if she worked.

Why did a bounty hunter from CA go to Florida and bail her out of jail, then resind the bail. I know what he said his reason was, not sure I believe it and why does NG keep having him on giving his opinion, he is only guessing. Why did a MR call 3 times in August and then again in Dec. If it was me after the first 3 times I would have forgetten about it. This does seem odd.

Is Lee George and Cindys son. He appears to be quite a bit older than Casey.
Cindy does not look old enough to have a son his age. Could he be Georges son from another marriage. I do know George was married befor. That would make him Casey's half brother.

This is a very strange cast. It will make a good movie, book or both. I have a theory that George and Cindy didn't just go to CA to follow up a lead about Caylee I think they may have made a deal with a media company. Otherwise where is the money coming from for all these attorneys. HMM I can't wait for the trial so I can get some truthful answers for which there is proof.
Good post. Life is stranger than fiction.

If I haven't said it before. . . Welcome the the board! :seeya:

[Gatordog]

In following this case, if you can follow it, it is very confusing. It is confusing because all the cast seem a little strange to say the least. Starting with Casey and running right through to the Bounty Hunter, LP and the MR.

The family seem to be practiced liars from the mother right through to the kids, not sure about George. How could the mother who is a nurse not realize that her daughter was 7 months PG. I think she knew it just like she knew deep down that Caylee was deceased, she seems to always be in denial.

The father of Caylee is a mystery, she could have gotten Welfare, but never applied, choosing instead to rob from her friends and family. She got fired from her job 2 years ago. Were did she go every day for two years? Why didn't she get another job? How did she come up with a name for a non exsistant nanny. Rich people have nannies, regular people have babysitters. Were would she have gotten the $$$ for a nanny even if she worked.

Why did a bounty hunter from CA go to Florida and bail her out of jail, then resind the bail. I know what he said his reason was, not sure I believe it and why does NG keep having him on giving his opinion, he is only guessing. Why did a MR call 3 times in August and then again in Dec. If it was me after the first 3 times I would have forgetten about it. This does seem odd.

Is Lee George and Cindys son. He appears to be quite a bit older than Casey.
Cindy does not look old enough to have a son his age. Could he be Georges son from another marriage. I do know George was married befor. That would make him Casey's half brother.

This is a very strange cast. It will make a good movie, book or both. I have a theory that George and Cindy didn't just go to CA to follow up a lead about Caylee I think they may have made a deal with a media company. Otherwise where is the money coming from for all these attorneys. HMM I can't wait for the trial so I can get some truthful answers for which there is proof.

Ages as best as I can recall. Cindy turned 50 this past June, George is 56. Lee is 26 (looks much older), Liar is 22.

Gator

[Gatordog]

What? Explain that to me please? I don't know who Kathy Reichs is... I missed the boat on that one. She can't talk to the media, okay I understand that, but they are holding her money in case she does? What is she 5? How dare they punish her before the fact. Who is holding her money? Will she lose it if she found proof of Casey's involvement and testifies to it in court?

Kathy Reichs is one, of only a few, forensic anthropogists. She writes novels about Dr. Temperence Brennan also known as the tv show BONES. The deal is she will be paid $100K for her work on the case but I guess since Henry Lee went on NG stating what was in the car and the prosecution was able to use that in an arguement to the judge, the defense put that clause in effect. If they blab too much and give away defense tactics, they forfeit half their fee.

As I'm typing this I find it very curious that the defense already had a "bone specialist" one of the best in the world, already on its team. How did they know there would be bones found before they were found???:shrug: After all the defense never said Caylee was dead. They always said she was alive.:rolleyes:

[joekuhl79]

"Check things locally Lee. In all honesty. Places that are familiar to us, to our family. Ask mom specific places that I mentioned when her and I spoke over the last period of time. Over the last few weeks. She should remember specific places."
Now this sounds like she is telling him how to find little Caylee's body doesn't it.

Does anyone have a link to this Lee/Liar video?

I am just NOT buying this that she was 'hinting' (consciously) to anyone where Caylee REALLY was.

Why would she hide everything from her family, make up this big dumb lie when her mom finally catches up to her, tell 911 and LE an expanded version of this stupid lie, get arrested and put in jail, and THEN decide to 'code' the truth in some game?

But then she gets bonded out of jail and doesn't say "Psst...by the way, this is what I was saying, the body is *here*, go clean up my mess?"

It makes no sense at all (even given these crazy circumstances/family) that if Cindy, George, and/or Lee were in on what happened, learned of it afterward and tried to cover for her, or had ANY 'coded' conversations on where to find a body, that they would not have moved it and intelligently disposed of it. Why would they leave it down the street to surely be found at some point with evidence linking to Liar and their house?

IMO, even though I haven't seen the Lee tape (I have seen the Cindy/George) what appears as 'scripted' or 'coded' conversations is merely a family trying their damnedest to get some useful information out of a known liar - knowing they have to keep the focus on HER and support HER and believe HER or else SHE is going to shut them out completely.

Zanny with a house key? Some say that Cindy didn't react because she knew Liar would say that, that it was scripted? I say Cindy didn't react because she knew there was no Zanny. She was humoring Liar with "Okay, Zanny has a key...what other information can you give me?"

Cindy could not say "Casey, we know there is no nanny, no Zanieda, tell us the truth." She knows, and we know how Liar would react: "F you mom! No one believes ME! No one supports ME! No one cares about ME! I'M the one in jail!" *click*...

[Gatordog]

Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm only passing on information that was on the local news last week regarding the Liar meeting with the pastor in jail. A lawyer was talking about confidential or priviledged conversations. Rosey Greer was mentioned when he went to see OJ in jail. This attorney said that in some states, when an inmate meets with a minister it can still be videotaped and used against you. The minister cannot testify as to what he was told, but there is no priviledge on the actual videotape. So what the Liar told the pastor may be able to be shown in a trial. Only repeating what was said, I have no personal knowledge as to whether this applies in florida or not.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Does anyone have a link to this Lee/Liar video?

I am just NOT buying this that she was 'hinting' (consciously) to anyone where Caylee REALLY was.

Why would she hide everything from her family, make up this big dumb lie when her mom finally catches up to her, tell 911 and LE an expanded version of this stupid lie, get arrested and put in jail, and THEN decide to 'code' the truth in some game?

But then she gets bonded out of jail and doesn't say "Psst...by the way, this is what I was saying, the body is *here*, go clean up my mess?"

It makes no sense at all (even given these crazy circumstances/family) that if Cindy, George, and/or Lee were in on what happened, learned of it afterward and tried to cover for her, or had ANY 'coded' conversations on where to find a body, that they would not have moved it and intelligently disposed of it. Why would they leave it down the street to surely be found at some point with evidence linking to Liar and their house?

IMO, even though I haven't seen the Lee tape (I have seen the Cindy/George) what appears as 'scripted' or 'coded' conversations is merely a family trying their damnedest to get some useful information out of a known liar - knowing they have to keep the focus on HER and support HER and believe HER or else SHE is going to shut them out completely.

Zanny with a house key? Some say that Cindy didn't react because she knew Liar would say that, that it was scripted? I say Cindy didn't react because she knew there was no Zanny. She was humoring Liar with "Okay, Zanny has a key...what other information can you give me?"

Cindy could not say "Casey, we know there is no nanny, no Zanieda, tell us the truth." She knows, and we know how Liar would react: "F you mom! No one believes ME! No one supports ME! No one cares about ME! I'M the one in jail!" *click*...

JoeK, I agree with you, again. My feeling was if they really believed a stranger had the key to their house, they would have changed the locks immediately. They were just trying to weed out the facts, if any, in all the fiction. They knew they were dealing with the world's biggest liar and if they confronted her, they'd have it on tape that they knew she was lying.

The video is in two parts. This is the first, you can find the second on the page.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8004881&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Gatordog]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8004881&version=1&locale=EN-US

[joekuhl79]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8004881&version=1&locale=EN-US

Thanks for the links G, but when I watch it, even with my sound turned WAY up, I can't hear Lee, but I can hear Liar...

[Justice Denied?]

would love to know what hagnog is? I take LP with a grain of salt. he is smart but he was sure Caylee was in the river. and if people paid attention she told her family Caylee was close. Tim Miller caught that but by the time he started Fay had flooded the area. IMO

Hagnog is a drink specific to this site. You substitute mean, hateful and ugly for the eggs. We also have Haterade, which is like a tropical punch which is favored by many. It is about 98% hatred and will cause your finger to cuss unrestrainedly. This is what Loretta's been drinking when she's really wound up.:beer:

Leonard presents too many theories as facts and gets everyone confused. too hard to figure out fact from fiction.

[javahog]

I think that what would appear to be coding was really an attempt to translate Big Fat Liar-ish into standard English. The only person who knew where Caylee was was not capable of speaking the whole truth, imo. This led to the weird rhythm of the conversations as they tried to figure out, Is this Truth? Half-Truth? Big Fat Lie? or just Crazy Nonsense?

I think they were frustrated. I would have loved to hear the family conferences after those jailhouse conversations as they tried to ferret out what KC was "really" saying...

all moo, imos etc.

[FDInLaw]

Hagnog is a drink specific to this site. You substitute mean, hateful and ugly for the eggs. We also have Haterade, which is like a tropical punch which is favored by many. It is about 98% hatred and will cause your finger to cuss unrestrainedly. This is what Loretta's been drinking when she's really wound up.:beer:

Leonard presents too many theories as facts and gets everyone confused. too hard to figure out fact from fiction.

LMAO. . . . since I've known her for a few years now, I can testify that Loretta is either a hagnog-oholic or she is down right cantankerous. That said, she has a heart of gold and a passion to get to the truth like I've rarely seen. When she smells a rat she is relentless.

:beer:


We are fortunate to have some great folks on this thread! :)

[javahog]

Hagnog is a drink specific to this site. You substitute mean, hateful and ugly for the eggs. We also have Haterade, which is like a tropical punch which is favored by many. It is about 98% hatred and will cause your finger to cuss unrestrainedly. This is what Loretta's been drinking when she's really wound up.:beer:

Leonard presents too many theories as facts and gets everyone confused. too hard to figure out fact from fiction.

Ah, so hagnog is Vegan!

Explains PETA.

[Justice Denied?]

not nice. you have still not told us what hagnog is. is it eggnog in the US?
It has been an informative night thanks to everyone

I am sending you a sample of both hagnog and haterade. Do you want an umbrella in your haterade, pineapple spear or kiwi?:beer:

[shadydaisy]

Yes Shadey, I want to see the father issue brought up at the trial too. I think it will lead to the fact that Cindy controlled Casey and Caylee's lives which might cure the question of motive. IMO anyway.

IOW, Cindy did not want the father in the picture because he would have a legal right to make decisions in Caylee's life. He would be able to decide where she went to school, where she lived, who baby sat for her and lots of other things fathers would be concerned about. He might have gained legal custody of her as well, if not physical custody. (I've mentioned this before) I think Caylee is dead because Cindy refused to let go of her and it fits into the statement Casey made to Lee when she said, "I'm a spiteful Bi*ch. Who was she trying to spite? And, Why?

It's hard to believe that if we are that nosey and want to know who the dad really is that Cindy doesn't know. I agree, she did not want another family involved, but wouldn't she want to know at least who is was? If it had been a millionaire would that have made a difference? I really, really hope the trial sheds some light on the subject!

[javahog]

Classic moment in this mess: When they were interrogating Casey at Universal and the cop was trying to make it make sense, like when he asked why they were going to "familiar places" to find Caylee. He was like, she's how old? She's being held by people who want to keep her from you? "What's she going to do, hail a cab?!" The tone of voice was just priceless...he was all WTF, just like the rest of us when we heard it.

[javahog]

It's hard to believe that if we are that nosey and want to know who the dad really is that Cindy doesn't know. I agree, she did not want another family involved, but wouldn't she want to know at least who is was? If it had been a millionaire would that have made a difference? I really, really hope the trial sheds some light on the subject!

If I had to guess (which apparently I do since I can't stop myself:punch:), this is how it might have gone down: 1) Casey, are you pregnant? No Mom, I have an ovarian cyst. Okay dear. 2) Casey, you seem to have given birth. Who is the father? F you, its none of your Fing...etc. 3) You can stop asking, Mom. The father conveniently died in a car crash. Here's the convenient obituary. Conveniently, we went to the same high school, and even though you can't remember us ever having any contact, he's the dad. Oh, and he doesn't look like Caylee, either, but whatever...and if we contact his family, they will inconveniently fight for custody since she is their only surviving descendant. Oh no, dear, we mustn't do that. We, I mean you, can raise her just fine on our, I mean your, own.

Personally, I think its JPC, but there's a lot that doesn't make sense there, either...like why no shakedown? :shrug:

all moos and imos.

[javahog]

Kathy Reichs is one, of only a few, forensic anthropogists. She writes novels about Dr. Temperence Brennan also known as the tv show BONES. The deal is she will be paid $100K for her work on the case but I guess since Henry Lee went on NG stating what was in the car and the prosecution was able to use that in an arguement to the judge, the defense put that clause in effect. If they blab too much and give away defense tactics, they forfeit half their fee.

As I'm typing this I find it very curious that the defense already had a "bone specialist" one of the best in the world, already on its team. How did they know there would be bones found before they were found???:shrug: After all the defense never said Caylee was dead. They always said she was alive.:rolleyes:

Good point. As a trained archaeological osteologist, I can confirm the obvious: no bones=nothing to analyse. Why DID they hire her before the body was found??? As for HL, he keeps making some gaffs it seems. That whole fingernail thing, and now giving the offense some info...strange. Maybe that little red camera light distracts him from his real duty...moo.

[mu8shark]

Very true FD it is concerning how persistent this rumour has been though and I can see how the defense could try and use it to free Casey. I don't doubt that whether she was ever molested or not Casey would say she was if it was in her best interest and she could easily tell a story of how Caylee was being abused she was confused torn between a sick jealousy (to show instability and engender sympathy for her suffering) and an overwhelming urge to protect Caylee which forced her to kill her own child(to try and avert the prememditation and show she was in extreme distress and not thinking rationally at the time).
Don't get me wrong here I don't beleive any of this for a second but I do think Casey is not above trying that on for a defense if she felt she had to.:shrug: Her ego though would probably make this a last resort because I feel certain she would prefer to get away with a completely not guilty sentence so she would look better and be able to sell her story.
Ewwgh I feel sick just thinking about it, I hope they destroy her in court and expose her truly sick nature.
RIP Caylee:rose:Being abused may help in the sentencing phase but rest assured she would not get a free pass on the guilt phase. It would be like saying my upbringing had me confused so I walk. It won't happen unless they can prove she is legally insane and keep in mind she has to admit she did it to use insanity as a defense, there is no not guilty but insane , only guilty but insane and I may be wrong but this girl will not admit she did it, therefore no legal insanity defense.

[Mojo]

As I've said on numerous occasions, I have absolutely NO idea why this guy gets air time. He is a bounty hunter, not "Columbo." Last night I was glad that Jean Casarez called him out and asked him what proof he had on his wacky theories. Did you recall hearing this idea on why he thinks Kronk was tipped? "There`s no way you`re going to stop on that road to -- to go relieve yourself down that slope and into those woods when you`ve got a friend that works with you right around the corner. You can go and use the bathroom in his home." No way, LP? No way? Yes, way! Mr. Kronk does not appear to me to be the kind of guy who has a problem going wee-wee in the woods. He probably has had to do so on numerous occasions and I can't imagine his ever deciding that he'd rather go to his friend's house and use the bathroom instead of making a quick trip into the woods. I don't know how close "right around the corner" is, either, but even so, Mr. Kronk's shoes would have probably been dirty from tromping around reading meters, and unless he had to (trying to be delicate here) go number 2, it was probably way more convenient and quick to just do what he'd done in the past, and that was to find a tree in an area where he couldn't be seen by a casual passer-by. Now, Jean or Nancy or any woman for that manner, may not be as familiar with relieving oneself in the woods, but as a lot of guys will tell you, especially golfers, hunters, etc., going in the woods is a no-brainer for most men. So for LP to say that there is "no way" Mr. Kronk would do so because a friend had a home "right around the corner" just doesn't pass the smell test to me.

Hi Everyone! First time posting. I've been reading all your posts and you guys are some seriously smart people! Just wanted to say I totally agree with the above post. My husband relieves himself in our backyard everynight. He would never walk to someone's house to go when he could pop off in the woods for a couple of seconds. LP has some really wild theories. I'm a little miffed that he's now trying to drag the meter reader into it. He was the one wanting to give him the reward money. Now he wants to make him part of the crime. rediculous

[mu8shark]

After all the defense never said Caylee was dead. They always said she was alive. (Pulled from Danagher's post.) Which leads me back to my point. Jose Baez said he does not want Dominic Casey to discuss with LE the areas that the defense discussed about where Caylees body could be as he considers it work product. Why were they discussing where her body could be, specifically that area where it was found when number one, they insisted publicly that the defense and family absolutely believed she was alive and secondly who or what led them to that exact area out of 100 different areas LE had on the list to search? Dominic Casey was not employed by Bias/Baez when he filmed that area in Nov. He was no longer working for Jose Baez. I smell something extremely fishy, unless of course the video is just of a bunch of trees that look like that area and the defense is using Dominic Casey to spread a little reasonable doubt. by filming only a similiar area

[mu8shark]

Hi Everyone! First time posting. I've been reading all your posts and you guys are some seriously smart people! Just wanted to say I totally agree with the above post. My husband relieves himself in our backyard everynight. He would never walk to someone's house to go when he could pop off in the woods for a couple of seconds. LP has some really wild theories. I'm a little miffed that he's now trying to drag the meter reader into it. He was the one wanting to give him the reward money. Now he wants to make him part of the crime. rediculousA woman would ask to use the restroom of a friend, a man would not bother. It is so convenient if you pardon the expression to whip it out and go. I am not sure I believe he was doing that, I think he may have just been curious or maybe he was doing that and he thinks, damn that looks like that same bag I saw in August and he does a little looking. That totally makes sense to me.

[mu8shark]

Bravo baby! Very good point! So who said this story would sell a book? It would be a slush pile favorite! Or at best, a Worse Seller. This story is to impossible truth or not.Can someone tell me how to highlight a line or two in a previous post. Danagher you seem to have it mastered, Can you share the info.? I want to do that so much and am unsure as how to do it. Thanks

[Justice Denied?]

LMAO. . . . since I've known her for a few years now, I can testify that Loretta is either a hagnog-oholic or she is down right cantankerous. That said, she has a heart of gold and a passion to get to the truth like I've rarely seen. When she smells a rat she is relentless.

:beer:


We are fortunate to have some great folks on this thread! :)

I totally agree. Loretta is what keeps us sane amid all the horror and vile happenings here. I especially enjoy her home-made vocabulary and sense of humor. She is very insightful and intelligent also.

Not saying that a lot of others aren't. If we had enough correct info, we could figure this case out in nothing flat.

[mu8shark]

Does anyone have a link to this Lee/Liar video?

I am just NOT buying this that she was 'hinting' (consciously) to anyone where Caylee REALLY was.

Why would she hide everything from her family, make up this big dumb lie when her mom finally catches up to her, tell 911 and LE an expanded version of this stupid lie, get arrested and put in jail, and THEN decide to 'code' the truth in some game?

But then she gets bonded out of jail and doesn't say "Psst...by the way, this is what I was saying, the body is *here*, go clean up my mess?"

It makes no sense at all (even given these crazy circumstances/family) that if Cindy, George, and/or Lee were in on what happened, learned of it afterward and tried to cover for her, or had ANY 'coded' conversations on where to find a body, that they would not have moved it and intelligently disposed of it. Why would they leave it down the street to surely be found at some point with evidence linking to Liar and their house?

IMO, even though I haven't seen the Lee tape (I have seen the Cindy/George) what appears as 'scripted' or 'coded' conversations is merely a family trying their damnedest to get some useful information out of a known liar - knowing they have to keep the focus on HER and support HER and believe HER or else SHE is going to shut them out completely.

Zanny with a house key? Some say that Cindy didn't react because she knew Liar would say that, that it was scripted? I say Cindy didn't react because she knew there was no Zanny. She was humoring Liar with "Okay, Zanny has a key...what other information can you give me?"

Cindy could not say "Casey, we know there is no nanny, no Zanieda, tell us the truth." She knows, and we know how Liar would react: "F you mom! No one believes ME! No one supports ME! No one cares about ME! I'M the one in jail!" *click*...
Joe , lots of good points in this post. The thing about the key may have been Cindy publicly giving Casey an out in case something was tied to the house, but you are right she had already told LE in her interview she did not believe there was a nanny for at least a year. Which brings me to another point. I can't believe a woman who was as controlling as Cindy and as genuinely concerned about a granddaughter she almost considered her child would not want to meet the nanny, have the nanny's phone number and address, maybe convince Casey to do a background check, etc. I mean I can picture Cindy saying," Casey I would like to see where Caylee is staying to make sure the house is clean and orderly. How many kids does she watch? Do you know anything about her background or references? Casey give me a phone number where I can reach this woman."Cindy is not a woman that just would blow off her granddaughters care. You are expected to believe, she fed, clothed, bought toys, probably paid for doctor visits for this child and babysat her a lot and yet when it comes to child care, she just said whatever! I never bought that idea. And for Cindy not to have a phone number or the address is mind numbing. What if Caylee got sick or severely injured and Casey was not available. Cindy knew there was no nanny and she has known for a while. I will be curious to see when this Nanny story started in force.

[javahog]

Can someone tell me how to highlight a line or two in a previous post. Danagher you seem to have it mastered, Can you share the info.? I want to do that so much and am unsure as how to do it. Thanks

Hmmn, since no one else jumped in...1) you hit quote 2) you drag your mouse across the words in the quoted section you want to highlight, just like how you do in a word program 3) just above the quote box there is a B, an I and a U 4) just click the B and that should do the trick. Then just type your comments below as you always have...:patriot:

[mu8shark]

Hmmn, since no one else jumped in...1) you hit quote 2) you drag your mouse across the words in the quoted section you want to highlight, just like how you do in a word program 3) just above the quote box there is a B, an I and a U 4) just click the B and that should do the trick. Then just type your comments below as you always have...:patriot:Thanks for replying to me!

[mu8shark]

I rewatched NG last night regarding Dr Perper and he did say in his opinion there would be no fingerprints on that tape because of the water, which if true is disappointing, but I don't think that is something that he can say for sure but it was his opinion they would not get fingerprints. One of the most interesting things he said was he revised his timeline of how long the body was probably in the car before it smelled. Earlier he had said it would have to be at least a week, last night he said at least two or three days, which fits right in with Casey running out of gas on the 20th and Tony picking her up on the same street on which Caylees body was found. I really do believe it was that day that she hurriedly dumped the body. I believe that more than ever now because of Dr Perper's statement. I can only imagine if she thought Tony would smell that car at all, he might want to check the source of the smell. Guys are like that with cars, they want to see what's wrong. Which leads me to another point, if a car smelled that badly wouldn't anyone want to find out why? I find it hard to believe Casey never investigated and just guessed at the source as she told Amy, maybe it was George running over squirrels or two squirrels crawled up there. That makes no sense to me. If it was just a smell left there for some innocent reason, why wouldn't you check it?Or have your boyfriend find out what was wrong? I would be asking around, hey what can I do to get rid of this smell?

[javahog]

Thanks for replying to me!

You're welcome! I just hope my little technophobic self managed to articulate it properly :)

[javahog]

I rewatched NG last night regarding Dr Perper and he did say in his opinion there would be no fingerprints on that tape because of the water, which if true is disappointing, but I don't think that is something that he can say for sure but it was his opinion they would not get fingerprints. One of the most interesting things he said was he revised his timeline of how long the body was probably in the car before it smelled. Earlier he had said it would have to be at least a week, last night he said at least two or three days, which fits right in with Casey running out of gas on the 20th and Tony picking her up on the same street on which Caylees body was found. I really do believe it was that day that she hurriedly dumped the body. I believe that more than ever now because of Dr Perper's statement. I can only imagine if she thought Tony would smell that car at all, he might want to check the source of the smell. Guys are like that with cars, they want to see what's wrong. Which leads me to another point, if a car smelled that badly wouldn't anyone want to find out why? I find it hard to believe Casey never investigated and just guessed at the source as she told Amy, maybe it was George running over squirrels or two squirrels crawled up there. That makes no sense to me. If it was just a smell left there for some innocent reason, why wouldn't you check it?Or have your boyfriend find out what was wrong? I would be asking around, hey what can I do to get rid of this smell?

All your points are good...I wonder if Perper "knows" something, he was so clear he thought there would be no prints. (But there must have been some adhesive left if it clung to the hair...maybe just none where the fingerprints would have been?). As for the smell issue, if a 2 lb. rotting cornish game hen could make it smell like you were hit with a brick wall in a 3 story stairwell (per my class' assignment), can you imagine what 35 lbs of toddler would do in a car? Didn't her boyfriend say she was walking away from the car when he got to her?

Jeez, how could anyone be so sick?:confused:

[FDInLaw]

Hi Everyone! First time posting. I've been reading all your posts and you guys are some seriously smart people! Just wanted to say I totally agree with the above post. My husband relieves himself in our backyard everynight. He would never walk to someone's house to go when he could pop off in the woods for a couple of seconds. LP has some really wild theories. I'm a little miffed that he's now trying to drag the meter reader into it. He was the one wanting to give him the reward money. Now he wants to make him part of the crime. rediculous Welcome to the board! :seeya:

ITA. . . I don't believe the meter reader had anything to do with this mess. Sure glad little Caylee was finallly found.

[mu8shark]

All your points are good...I wonder if Perper "knows" something, he was so clear he thought there would be no prints. (But there must have been some adhesive left if it clung to the hair...maybe just none where the fingerprints would have been?). As for the smell issue, if a 2 lb. rotting cornish game hen could make it smell like you were hit with a brick wall in a 3 story stairwell (per my class' assignment), can you imagine what 35 lbs of toddler would do in a car? Didn't her boyfriend say she was walking away from the car when he got to her?

Jeez, how could anyone be so sick?:confused:Yes he said he picked her up walking away from her car, which is weird in itself. Anytime I have run out of gas or had car trouble I did not just start walking around and away from my car, Why would you do that? She did not want him to smell the car obviously. I am not sure Perper knows anything, but I have not lost hope that there are fingerprints. It would be great if there were.

[eatcupcakes]

my sister thinks that George and Cindy knew she was not working at Universal but thought that she was working at Fusion a night club and when she was staying out all night working at events it was at Fusion.

I do know that when Cindy and George were on LKL Cindy said that the pictures of Casey dancing at Fusion were promo photo's taken as advertisment and she was paid for them. LOL. This sort of makes sense because this is how the Liar would get out at night. She was/is a very imaginative Liar, not necessarily a good one but a creative one.

This whole story has me confused. If G and C thought she was working at Universal during the day, now that we know this is not true, where was she every day? How did she spend her time with Caylee, I don't think she took her to the park or pool everyday, not her style.

[Gatordog]

Hi Everyone! First time posting. I've been reading all your posts and you guys are some seriously smart people! Just wanted to say I totally agree with the above post. My husband relieves himself in our backyard everynight. He would never walk to someone's house to go when he could pop off in the woods for a couple of seconds. LP has some really wild theories. I'm a little miffed that he's now trying to drag the meter reader into it. He was the one wanting to give him the reward money. Now he wants to make him part of the crime. rediculous

Welcome Mojo :seeya: Nice to have you on board.

Gator

[Gatordog]

my sister thinks that George and Cindy knew she was not working at Universal but thought that she was working at Fusion a night club and when she was staying out all night working at events it was at Fusion.

I do know that when Cindy and George were on LKL Cindy said that the pictures of Casey dancing at Fusion were promo photo's taken as advertisment and she was paid for them. LOL. This sort of makes sense because this is how the Liar would get out at night. She was/is a very imaginative Liar, not necessarily a good one but a creative one.

This whole story has me confused. If G and C thought she was working at Universal during the day, now that we know this is not true, where was she every day? How did she spend her time with Caylee, I don't think she took her to the park or pool everyday, not her style.

Cupcake, that was the third or fourth story Cindy came up with regarding the photos. First she said they weren't Casey; then she said they were taken two years ago. That was more horses**t. Fusion Lounge opened late 2007/early 2008. There wasn't even a building there two years ago. Her boyfriend was a DJ there and she was nothing more than a patron. The manager said she never worked there as a promoter or was paid for anything.

[javahog]

Yes he said he picked her up walking away from her car, which is weird in itself. Anytime I have run out of gas or had car trouble I did not just start walking around and away from my car, Why would you do that? She did not want him to smell the car obviously. I am not sure Perper knows anything, but I have not lost hope that there are fingerprints. It would be great if there were.

Yepper, I wouldn't walk upwind of a broken car unless it was smoking. I do hope we get a leak about any tape evidence, soon...

[javahog]

Cupcake, that was the third or fourth story Cindy came up with regarding the photos. First she said they weren't Casey; then she said they were taken two years ago. That was more horses**t. Fusion Lounge opened late 2007/early 2008. There wasn't even a building there two years ago. Her boyfriend was a DJ there and she was nothing more than a patron. The manager said she never worked there as a promoter or was paid for anything.

Aren't those photos the ones GA said were taken while KC was pregnant (I distinctly recall him saying you could see her belly-you'd think she'd be insulted), so were not evidence that she partied while Caylee was missing?

[eatcupcakes]

I think he was trying to get her to tell them what she knew. He even suggestd she put it in a letter that would be private. He was calm and kind trying to win her over I don't see any coded messages but then again I don't think I would unless they were talking in pig latin.

I think Lee loved Caylee just like Cindy and George and was hoping she was still alive and that the Liar knew where she was but just wanted to make them suffer to get even with her Mother. He was saying, and I am reading between the lines, tell me in a letter where she is so I can go get her.

No matter what LP thinks This was no accidental death. Casey was jealous of this poor little girl and felt she was a burden and killed her with intent, no accident here. She was such a beautiful little girl this is so sad, for Caylee:rose:

[eatcupcakes]

Cupcake, that was the third or fourth story Cindy came up with regarding the photos. First she said they weren't Casey; then she said they were taken two years ago. That was more horses**t. Fusion Lounge opened late 2007/early 2008. There wasn't even a building there two years ago. Her boyfriend was a DJ there and she was nothing more than a patron. The manager said she never worked there as a promoter or was paid for anything.


Thank you so much for clearing that up. I hope Casey had a nightmare of a Christmas in jail and it is only the first of a lifetime of them.

[Gatordog]

Being abused may help in the sentencing phase but rest assured she would not get a free pass on the guilt phase. It would be like saying my upbringing had me confused so I walk. It won't happen unless they can prove she is legally insane and keep in mind she has to admit she did it to use insanity as a defense, there is no not guilty but insane , only guilty but insane and I may be wrong but this girl will not admit she did it, therefore no legal insanity defense.

There is no way the Liar was ever abused by her parents unless being spoiled rotten is now abuse.

[Mojo]

Thank you everyone, for the warm welcome. I hope to qualify for my first sip of hagnog soon! :beer:

I also have high hopes that they can find some evidence on the duct tape. My hope is Liar's fingerprints, DNA and fibers from the car trunk. This is probably wishful thinking, but that would be nice.

[mu8shark]

There is no way the Liar was ever abused by her parents unless being spoiled rotten is now abuse.I am not sure I believe she was abused either. It could be but also Casey strikes me as the type who would make it up for sympathy

[mu8shark]

my sister thinks that George and Cindy knew she was not working at Universal but thought that she was working at Fusion a night club and when she was staying out all night working at events it was at Fusion.

I do know that when Cindy and George were on LKL Cindy said that the pictures of Casey dancing at Fusion were promo photo's taken as advertisment and she was paid for them. LOL. This sort of makes sense because this is how the Liar would get out at night. She was/is a very imaginative Liar, not necessarily a good one but a creative one.

This whole story has me confused. If G and C thought she was working at Universal during the day, now that we know this is not true, where was she every day? How did she spend her time with Caylee, I don't think she took her to the park or pool everyday, not her style.One of the curious things in George's interviews is he says that Cindy often fought with Casey over the fact she did not have a job, so it kind of indicates Cindy knew Casey was unemployed at one time at least. Also in the same interview George was shocked to hear that Cindy had described Casey as reliable and responsible to LE. So Cindy did some covering publicly at least for 'precious'

[javahog]

CNN Headline news will be yapping about Lee after the commercial...

[hawgustusgloop]

LMAO. . . . since I've known her for a few years now, I can testify that Loretta is either a hagnog-oholic or she is down right cantankerous. That said, she has a heart of gold and a passion to get to the truth like I've rarely seen. When she smells a rat she is relentless.

:beer:


We are fortunate to have some great folks on this thread! :)

I'm a big lorettalockhorn fan myself, and I totally agree! I think we've both been guzzling the ol' haterade/hagnog since before it even had a name.

[FDInLaw]

I'm a new fan of loretta's and I'm here to tell you, she stood out on the page within minutes of my arrival. She's bad and she knows it, which makes it easy to love the hagnogaholic.

Nice to meetcha hawgus!
:beer:Oh, goodness. . . you haven't seen nothin' yet. Wait til some poor soul shows up with a line of bull. . . I'm tellin' ya, Loretta will tak'em to task! :biggrin:

[FDInLaw]

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2610

[Brainstorm]

Oh, goodness. . . you haven't seen nothin' yet. Wait til some poor soul shows up with a line of bull. . . I'm tellin' ya, Loretta will tak'em to task! :biggrin:


I am expiring into one of those poor souls with nothing much left but a line of bull.lol.
But I sure wont bring it here.I admire and enjoy reading Loretta.witty AND smart,to boot,IMO.

[javahog]

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2610

Good one. It speaks truth.

[eatcupcakes]

what did they say about Lee after the break, please tell us.

[Spider]

I have been out of the loop lately. Sorry this is a topic several threads back but I just had to add....WOW. That pic of JC? next to Caylees pic. I see an an astounding likeness.

[FDInLaw]

what did they say about Lee after the break, please tell us.

HUH???? Someone please dish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mu8shark]

Watching Janie Weintraub on Issues with Jane Velez Mitchell, she keeps saying this is not the investigative stage anymore and they should go to trial and stop investigating. Is she crazy? The defense would love it if so but realistically they just found the body and the area the body was dumped, so what makes her think that LE would just call it a day and so no more investigating, no more forensics, no tests, we will go with any info we have , however incomplete. There is no time limit. In fact if they wanted to the prosecutor could go to the court and say your honor we have a new development in finding the child, we need more time to investigate and certainly the court would grant it. It is absurd that she thinks the investigation is over. She's a windbag.

[Gatordog]

Holy Mackeral, I'm watching Jane Valez Mitchell and between the shrillness of Wendy the prosecutor and Janey the defense attorney, I need a large hagnog because those two have obviously been hitting the Haterade. I wish they would be quite and let the investigator and the shrink talk. Those two make sense. Janey = :cuss: Wendy = :flamemad:

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Good point. As a trained archaeological osteologist, I can confirm the obvious: no bones=nothing to analyse. Why DID they hire her before the body was found??? As for HL, he keeps making some gaffs it seems. That whole fingernail thing, and now giving the offense some info...strange. Maybe that little red camera light distracts him from his real duty...moo.

What is it about Henry Lee and fingernails? I missed that. Also what info did he give the offense? I'm lost!

[mu8shark]

It's true, Joe makes a lot of good points and certainly the Anthony's were placating her because of the brat attack potential, but I believe they were also trying to put words in her mouth at the same time. As for your sense that Cindy knew there was no Nanny, you are right on. Here is where she is in need of immunity. She fed the lies in order to make Casey appear innocent and fan reasonable doubt. That is as clear as the nose on her cold hard face. I expect the prosecutor to have a blast with that one point.

Playing Prosecutor:

So you claim you took good care of Caylee?
Yes
So you claim you were very invested in her care?
Yes
So you would put a lot of equity in her safety?
Yes
So you would never let anyone harm her?
Yes
So you allowed a total stranger, a Nanny, you never met, nor did you know her phone number or address take care of her?

No more questions ya honnah!

:shrug: I would also ask her while I had her up there why she told LE that for a year or so she did not believe there was a nanny and did she just suddenly start to rebelieve in the nanny when she figured it would be better to have her culpable than her daughter? Why the sudden change?

[mu8shark]

Holy Mackeral, I'm watching Jane Valez Mitchell and between the shrillness of Wendy the prosecutor and Janey the defense attorney, I need a large hagnog because those two have obviously been hitting the Haterade. I wish they would be quite and let the investigator and the shrink talk. Those two make sense. Janey = :cuss: Wendy = :flamemad:

Gator The Private EYe was actually stopped by Jane Valez from fully presenting his theory because she was afraid she would be sued. I am not a big fan of her moderating for that and other reasons.

[Gatordog]

Yepper, I wouldn't walk upwind of a broken car unless it was smoking. I do hope we get a leak about any tape evidence, soon...

Plus the area where she supposedly ran out of gas is not in the best of neighborhoods. There's a known homeless camp just feet away in the woods. If I remember correctly, one man was found stabbed in that camp about two years ago.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Thank you everyone, for the warm welcome. I hope to qualify for my first sip of hagnog soon! :beer:

I also have high hopes that they can find some evidence on the duct tape. My hope is Liar's fingerprints, DNA and fibers from the car trunk. This is probably wishful thinking, but that would be nice.

I like your thinking re: the duct tape. That would be heaven! Something needs to make sense soon or we'll all be nuts.

You dont have to "qualify" for the hagnog. Am sending you a welcoming cup right now, extra nutmeg. Sip slow! It can make your fingers cuss.:beer:

[mu8shark]

Yikes , well if what Leonard is saying is true he will have to testify that he was told by one of the investigators that they thought they had found the body. I don't know what to believe, but I would not discount it entirely because it was in November when he came on NG and made the stunning statement "Don't be surprised if somebody has already found the body." Was he referring to that tip by the PI? Also Leonard says it was not of the exact area, so a bit confusing. Leonard has a lot of wild theories but I don't discount all of his info because some of it has been right on. Now I don't know what to believe.

[deputydi]

Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm only passing on information that was on the local news last week regarding the Liar meeting with the pastor in jail. A lawyer was talking about confidential or priviledged conversations. Rosey Greer was mentioned when he went to see OJ in jail. This attorney said that in some states, when an inmate meets with a minister it can still be videotaped and used against you. The minister cannot testify as to what he was told, but there is no priviledge on the actual videotape. So what the Liar told the pastor may be able to be shown in a trial. Only repeating what was said, I have no personal knowledge as to whether this applies in florida or not.

Gator
I don't doubt that is what you heard, but I believe the attorney is mistaken. IIRC, Rosey Greer invoked privilege and was never required to reveal anything he and OJ discussed. I've been looking for something on the subject and this is the closest thing I could find so far --
The privilege is a state law, which means each state has its own rules and regulations regarding how it can be used. Although in the past there were many strict rules regarding its use (such as only applying if the clergy and the confessor were of the same religious denomination), nowadays most states only have two main requirements restricting its use:

The confessor must be speaking to the clergyman in his religious capacity. This means that you must be talking to the clergyman as your religious adviser, not just as your friend or associate. Simply having a conversation with a priest is not automatically privileged.

No third parties may be present (unless they too are clergy you are confessing to). You cannot make a confession in front of other people and still expect the conversation to be secret.
If these two requirements are met, any conversation you have with the cleric, even an admission of murder, is not admissible in court (with the notable exception below).
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/clergypriest-privilege.html

The exception they speak of are cases involving child abuse. If you can find something that pertains to FL law specifically, please pass it along.

[Gatordog]

If the P.I. taped that particular area to show that there was no body there - how did he know that a body would be found there? The only person who would know that would be the killer or close to the killer.

If the bones were left there sometime between Nov and Dec. did the the depositor walk around and throw those small bones over an acre? The bones would have all been easily seen on top of the ground and not buried or under growth.

Neither option makes sense.

I don't think it's so unreasonable that Kronk looked in the woods three days in a row, it was his route. Plus, it seems they must have told him to call back when he was there so he could talk personally to an officer. The fact that he did not go back for four months makes sense because he was switched to a different route and that woods was a swamp under four feet of water for three months.

Gator

[javahog]

what did they say about Lee after the break, please tell us.

I'm sorry! It was far less erudite than the speculation here (and it WAS just speculation) then I went offline...so...nothing to report...

[javahog]

Watching Janie Weintraub on Issues with Jane Velez Mitchell, she keeps saying this is not the investigative stage anymore and they should go to trial and stop investigating. Is she crazy? The defense would love it if so but realistically they just found the body and the area the body was dumped, so what makes her think that LE would just call it a day and so no more investigating, no more forensics, no tests, we will go with any info we have , however incomplete. There is no time limit. In fact if they wanted to the prosecutor could go to the court and say your honor we have a new development in finding the child, we need more time to investigate and certainly the court would grant it. It is absurd that she thinks the investigation is over. She's a windbag.

Maybe she is hoping for a Perry Mason moment!

[Gatordog]

I don't doubt that is what you heard, but I believe the attorney is mistaken. IIRC, Rosey Greer invoked privilege and was never required to reveal anything he and OJ discussed. I've been looking for something on the subject and this is the closest thing I could find so far --

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/clergypriest-privilege.html

The exception they speak of are cases involving child abuse. If you can find something that pertains to FL law specifically, please pass it along.

Rosey Greer was mentioned as an example where the conversation was taped but California law protected it. The lawyer commentator said that in some states, since they were aware of the tape, it's considered the third person and can be viewed by others. I'll see if I can find anything regarding Florida law.

Gator

[mu8shark]

If the P.I. taped that particular area to show that there was no body there - how did he know that a body would be found there? The only person who would know that would be the killer or close to the killer.

If the bones were left there sometime between Nov and Dec. did the the depositor walk around and throw those small bones over an acre? The bones would have all been easily seen on top of the ground and not buried or under growth.

Neither option makes sense.

I don't think it's so unreasonable that Kronk looked in the woods three days in a row, it was his route. Plus, it seems they must have told him to call back when he was there so he could talk personally to an officer. The fact that he did not go back for four months makes sense because he was switched to a different route and that woods was a swamp under four feet of water for three months.

Gator Gator, I completely agree.

[javahog]

What is it about Henry Lee and fingernails? I missed that. Also what info did he give the offense? I'm lost!

(1 was from the Specter trial and 2 was responding to pp. who said he gave a list of the stuff found in the Casey-mobile on tv and the prosecution used that in court...)

[javahog]

Rosey Greer was mentioned as an example where the conversation was taped but California law protected it. The lawyer commentator said that in some states, since they were aware of the tape, it's considered the third person and can be viewed by others. I'll see if I can find anything regarding Florida law.

Gator

Wasn't Rosey Greer an ordained minister so it was privileged?

[lorettalockhorn]

Kathy Reichs is one, of only a few, forensic anthropogists. She writes novels about Dr. Temperence Brennan also known as the tv show BONES. The deal is she will be paid $100K for her work on the case but I guess since Henry Lee went on NG stating what was in the car and the prosecution was able to use that in an arguement to the judge, the defense put that clause in effect. If they blab too much and give away defense tactics, they forfeit half their fee.

As I'm typing this I find it very curious that the defense already had a "bone specialist" one of the best in the world, already on its team. How did they know there would be bones found before they were found???:shrug: After all the defense never said Caylee was dead. They always said she was alive.:rolleyes:

I didn't read that Kathy Reichs had joined the defense team until 12/15; after Caylee's remains were discovered. Don't think she had been identified yet, but it was pretty well accepted that is was Caylee. That said Baez, Baden, Kobe, Henry Lee, etc. ad nauseum are all blabbing and blathering all over the place. Interesting that Reichs has this rider put into her contract.

[SaraSidle]

That rumor has been going around on the Internet. . . CayLEE, and the fact that Casey did not go after someone for child support or even go on welfare when she could have. Some even suggest George. IMO, as messed up as this situation and family may be, I suspect that Casey might not know for sure due to the way she parties. There may be some family secrets that Casey has used to keep her parents "in line" but incest seems like a big whopper to me. . . I need more proof. If Casey is a true sociopath, she would not need a trigger like that as some argue. JMO

You are probably right. the idea just kind of came to me. I would not be surprised about anything at this point. IMO

[SaraSidle]

I am sending you a sample of both hagnog and haterade. Do you want an umbrella in your haterade, pineapple spear or kiwi?:beer:

you made me laugh way to hard. I love pineapple and kiwi thank you but not sure about haterade. I think you are all still messing with me.

[lorettalockhorn]

LMAO. . . . since I've known her for a few years now, I can testify that Loretta is either a 1 hagnog-oholic or she is down right cantankerous. That said, she 2 has a heart of gold and 3 a passion to get to the truth like I've rarely seen. 4 When she smells a rat she is relentless.

:beer:


We are fortunate to have some great folks on this thread! :)

hehehe 1 Both. Afraid so. 2 Of course I do! :tongue: 3 Aww thanks; you too. 4 You're damned straight. And I smell them a LOT!

Love Crime Library! It's the best. Love that people always make me think, because I can be lazzzzzzzyyyyyyy.

[SaraSidle]

Oh, goodness. . . you haven't seen nothin' yet. Wait til some poor soul shows up with a line of bull. . . I'm tellin' ya, Loretta will tak'em to task! :biggrin:

Oh so true So very true. that would be loretta!!!!!!!!

[SaraSidle]

Gator, I completely agree.

likewise!!!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I totally agree. Loretta is what keeps us sane amid all the horror and vile happenings here. I especially enjoy her home-made vocabulary and sense of humor. She is very insightful and intelligent also.

Not saying that a lot of others aren't. If we had enough correct info, we could figure this case out in nothing flat.

Fthanks! Flove you guys. Just got back from my auntie's interment. It was bittersweet, I tell you.

Fgreat to be home!

[FDInLaw]

Is there any breaking news??? Did Lee get charged???

[SaraSidle]

Plus the area where she supposedly ran out of gas is not in the best of neighborhoods. There's a known homeless camp just feet away in the woods. If I remember correctly, one man was found stabbed in that camp about two years ago.

Gator

I still think she wanted it to get stolen Gator! IMO

[SaraSidle]

Is there any breaking news??? Did Lee get charged???

hubby is watching hockey. I have lost charge of the remote since I got the computer back. sucks to be me:)

[SaraSidle]

Fthanks! Flove you guys. Just got back from my auntie's interment. It was bittersweet, I tell you.

Fgreat to be home!

Oh Loretta I am sorry. such a bad time of year for that. I am glad you are fhome too!!!!!!!!!

[FDInLaw]

hubby is watching hockey. I have lost charge of the remote since I got the computer back. sucks to be me:)LOL. . . my kids are watching Ruldoph. . . the whining and knashing of teeth would be heard down the street if I touched the remote.

[FDInLaw]

Fthanks! Flove you guys. Just got back from my auntie's interment. It was bittersweet, I tell you.

Fgreat to be home!
HUGGERS! :rose:

[javahog]

LP has totally confused me now...from what I can tell of what he is saying on NG tonight, the PI said he knew where Caylee was, but said she was dead and they were going to get her. He came back later with video of the wooded area but no body. The implication being that someone told him where the body was but they couldn't find it? Is this where Lee fits in? ?Maybe he successfully translated KC pig latin to a location?

I'm disoriented. Am I nuts or is it LP?

imo.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes he said he picked her up walking away from her car, which is weird in itself. Anytime I have run out of gas or had car trouble I did not just start walking around and away from my car, Why would you do that? She did not want him to smell the car obviously. I am not sure Perper knows anything, but I have not lost hope that there are fingerprints. It would be great if there were.

Hoping and praying that there are fingerprints or epithelal tissue, OR maybe a foot/shoe print (since LE took Casey's shoes on that last search).

I'm behind you guys watching NG, but LP is still going on about his inside connections and the fdaisy chain. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm a big lorettalockhorn fan myself, and I totally agree! I think we've both been guzzling the ol' haterade/hagnog since before it even had a name.

Listen up people; this girl is smart beyond her years, and she gives such a great troll smackdown that I'm thinking of inviting her over to the soap message boards. :hat:

[FDInLaw]

Listen up people; this girl is smart beyond her years, and she gives such a great troll smackdown that I'm thinking of inviting her over to the soap message boards. :hat:You both are the best of the best. . . you've kept me sane many a time. :hat:

*SMOOCHERS!*




Back to Caylee. . . seriously, this guy is saying that he knew Caylee was dead back in November???? Speaking of smackdown!

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=2610

Short and TO THE POINT! Honestly, I can see the second autopsy and the funeral arrangements dragging on for some time. Think I read that the Anthonys have put the kibosh on asking for donations. Hope so. As for the Ants getting Casey to accept responsibility; not holding my breath.

[javahog]

Hoping and praying that there are fingerprints or epithelal tissue, OR maybe a foot/shoe print (since LE took Casey's shoes on that last search).

I'm behind you guys watching NG, but LP is still going on about his inside connections and the fdaisy chain. :rolleyes:

Oh, why set your sights so low, Loretta? I hope there's a confession note stuck to it:D!

[lorettalockhorn]

Is there any breaking news??? Did Lee get charged???

Not yet. But I guarandamntee you that when and if he or the rents are charged or arrested, I'll be setting up the lawn chairs, popping the popcorn, and serving drinks. Leroy's paying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still think she wanted it to get stolen Gator! IMO

Ditto

[lorettalockhorn]

LP has totally confused me now...from what I can tell of what he is saying on NG tonight, the PI said he knew where Caylee was, but said she was dead and they were going to get her. He came back later with video of the wooded area but no body. The implication being that someone told him where the body was but they couldn't find it? Is this where Lee fits in? ?Maybe he successfully translated KC pig latin to a location?

I'm disoriented. Am I nuts or is it LP?

imo.

Java, I didn't understand most of what he said. (Then again, it's hard for me not to FF him.) He sounds delusional to me half the time.

[FDInLaw]

Not yet. But I guarandamntee you that when and if he or the rents are charged or arrested, I'll be setting up the lawn chairs, popping the popcorn, and serving drinks. Leroy's paying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Ditto I'll be there! :hat:

Will you bake your famous chocolate cake??? PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!! :D

[mu8shark]

You both are the best of the best. . . you've kept me sane many a time. :hat:

*SMOOCHERS!*




Back to Caylee. . . seriously, this guy is saying that he knew Caylee was dead back in November???? Speaking of smackdown!Personally if I were Leonard this particular bunch of PI's came to me with that statement, the same PI's who Cindy said had verified that everything Casey said was true, I would be like , uh huh, right. I am assuming they did not elaborate and he did not take them that seriously. What is interesting is that it was at this same time period in November Leonard made that stunning statement on NG that do not be suprised if someone has already found the body and is not telling. I think he sometimes hedges his bets and sometimes he is just plain out there but still I do think he tries to be helpful and he does a source. Tonight he knew exactly when the FBI got the videotape so he has some kind of source in the investigation, sorting the riff from the truth is the key. This is just my take.

[lorettalockhorn]

You both are the best of the best. . . you've kept me sane many a time. :hat:

*SMOOCHERS!*




Back to Caylee. . . seriously, this guy is saying that he knew Caylee was dead back in November???? Speaking of smackdown!

Because we wub you!

http://i42.tinypic.com/2zgurtd.jpg

Not sure what anyone is saying with any honesty. The date of the video has to be verified. The place has to be verified. And the ownership of the video has to be verified. Too much BS!!

[Justice Denied?]

Holy Mackeral, I'm watching Jane Valez Mitchell and between the shrillness of Wendy the prosecutor and Janey the defense attorney, I need a large hagnog because those two have obviously been hitting the Haterade. I wish they would be quite and let the investigator and the shrink talk. Those two make sense. Janey = :cuss: Wendy = :flamemad:

Gator

I got really confused about what issues they were really talking about. This is the craziest case.

One extra large mug of hagnog to you! Extra nutmeg and a cinnamon stick!

[FDInLaw]

Personally if I were Leonard this particular bunch of PI's came to me with that statement, the same PI's who Cindy said had verified that everything Casey said was true, I would be like , uh huh, right. I am assuming they did not elaborate and he did not take them that seriously. What is interesting is that it was at this same time period in November Leonard made that stunning statement on NG that do not be suprised if someone has already found the body and is not telling. I think he sometimes hedges his bets and sometimes he is just plain out there but still I do think he tries to be helpful and he does a source. Tonight he knew exactly when the FBI got the videotape so he has some kind of source in the investigation, sorting the riff from the truth is the key. This is just my take.
Thank you for your thoughts here. . . honestly, I'm having difficulty following this case. There is a vast cast of characters, and due to it's nature (a death of a child) I tried to stay away.

[mu8shark]

Hoping and praying that there are fingerprints or epithelal tissue, OR maybe a foot/shoe print (since LE took Casey's shoes on that last search).

I'm behind you guys watching NG, but LP is still going on about his inside connections and the fdaisy chain. :rolleyes:I don't believe in the daisy chain as he calls it leading to the Kronk meter reader but I do believe that those particular PI's or one of them may have had an idea of where the body might be, not sure how yet but wonder if Lee had a little hint somehow and this is not why his laywer says he may be in trouble. I am not saying Lee moved anything but may have known a general idea of where Casey put her. It is beyond stupid, just to me of course to imagine somebody moving the body and sprinkling the bones for an entire acre. There would be no reason to do it and it just does not seem reasonable. In most cases when the body has been exposed to the outdoors, animals and the elements do this , not murdererers or their helpers. Not saying it is impossible but if somebody believes that I think it would be bizarre. How is that for being nice but telling ya how I feel? LOL

[javahog]

I still think she wanted it to get stolen Gator! IMO

Now THAT would make a good Carfax commercial!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'll be there! :hat:

Will you bake your famous chocolate cake??? PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!! :D

I should! I owe Leroy a coconut cake too. And I got some hoity toity apricot preserves for Christmas, so I promised to make a batch of kugle.

[mu8shark]

Thank you for your thoughts here. . . honestly, I'm having difficulty following this case. There is a vast cast of characters, and due to it's nature (a death of a child) I tried to stay away. You are welcome and you are not the only befuddled one from time to time. Some days I just stay away so my mind won't get befuddled by all the wild things!LOL

[mu8shark]

I got really confused about what issues they were really talking about. This is the craziest case.

One extra large mug of hagnog to you! Extra nutmeg and a cinnamon stick! You guys are making hungry for some fancy coffee as my mother used to call everything flavored. Also on what I get to watch on tv, the dogs are great about letting me watch what I want! I am just teasing you guys. :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you for your thoughts here. . . honestly, I'm having difficulty following this case. There is a vast cast of characters, and due to it's nature (a death of a child) I tried to stay away.

This case is just so heinous; not sure that if I was a young mother I could tolerate it.

It definitely meets the Cecil B. DeMille standard for being epic (not the cast of characters), but the twists and turns are Shakespearean, and the way these players are seemingly tied together has EL Doctorow written all over it.

[mu8shark]

By the way one thing I did catch on NG was Leonard saying the video was taken about 600 yards from where the body was found and I suspect some informant who has seen it since it was given to LE already has calculated this. IF this is true, that is 6 GD football fields for F's sake and really could not qualify as the PI said as the exact area.! I have a feeling the talking head who said somebody was trying to make a concerted effort to raise reasonable doubt and it was an organized effort is right on target. After all those of us who follow the case closely will eventually wait with baited breath to see when and exactly where that video was taken. We will have it clarified . Someone else in the jury pool who tunes in every now and then might just hear that a video was taken a month before and nothing more and assume, wow the body was really not there. I think somebody is hoping by talking like this, prospective jurors will assume they really have something to say to muddy the waters and it may turn out to be totally irrelevant.

[Justice Denied?]

you made me laugh way to hard. I love pineapple and kiwi thank you but not sure about haterade. I think you are all still messing with me.

Come on now, Sara. Don't tell me you've never indulged in a little fruit punch during the holidays. This is the same thing with a little derision, scepticism and cynicism added. Now it does pack a punch but we were tired of beer.

[SaraSidle]

Loretta you are the heroine for sure. have you a guess in Lee's involment? from the very first phone call between the two of them after Casey was first arrested that was so coded I have been very suspicious.. just asking GF. IMOr

[deputydi]

Wasn't Rosey Greer an ordained minister so it was privileged?
Yes, but what Gator is saying is even an ordained minister waives his privilege if the communication is taped. I know that waiver applies to conversations where a third party is present, but -- in PA at least -- a recording device is not considered a third party and privilege still applies.

[SaraSidle]

okay everyone there is no hagnog or haterade on the internet. I know you are messing with me so I will not ask you anymore. I will just miss the taste and find something else to make up for it............LOL

[mu8shark]

Yes, but what Gator is saying is even an ordained minister waives his privilege if the communication is taped. I know that waiver applies to conversations where a third party is present, but -- in PA at least -- a recording device is not considered a third party and privilege still applies. From what I can tell she probably did not tell this minister anything except self serving crap knowing Casey

[javahog]

This case is just so heinous; not sure that if I was a young mother I could tolerate it.

It definitely meets the Cecil B. DeMille standard for being epic (not the cast of characters), but the twists and turns are Shakespearean, and the way these players are seemingly tied together has EL Doctorow written all over it.

Yeah. I have a 3 year old, when I saw that Caylee's sandbox is the same as his and pictured her body being stored in there, I felt sick... But whenever I think of Caylee I give David a big hug and think about how much a child is worth.

[FDInLaw]

From what I can tell she probably did not tell this minister anything except self serving crap knowing Casey
I agree, I doubt she said anything of importance to the minister. As to Lee and the rents, is it possible that Casey likes to speak in cryptic terms for attention??? Me thinks this might be the case. By keeping eveyone guessing, she keeps the attention on herself. JMO

[javahog]

okay everyone there is no hagnog or haterade on the internet. I know you are messing with me so I will not ask you anymore. I will just miss the taste and find something else to make up for it............LOL

Oh, there is plenty of hagnog and haterade on the internet, lol! But you are far better off without it. Stick to the flaming face smilie and random placements of the letter F on really bad days, and you will do fine without :)

[javahog]

I agree, I doubt she said anything of importance to the minister. As to Lee and the rents, is it possible that Casey likes to speak in cryptic terms for attention??? Me thinks this might be the case. By keeping eveyone guessing, she keeps the attention on herself. JMO

whoa, that makes sense. While she was sitting on information that only she knew and everyone was trying to suss out her every word and gesture, she was the most important person in the world...I just got a horrible thought-we are feeding that ego!:eek:

moo.

[lorettalockhorn]

From what I can tell she probably did not tell this minister anything except self serving crap knowing Casey

Whatever she told the minister is privileged. Whatever he is reporting is what she gave him permission to say (as her newest PR guy). She's using him.

[mu8shark]

Whatever she told the minister is privileged. Whatever he is reporting is what she gave him permission to say (as her newest PR guy). She's using him. Right I am just saying I doubt she said to him "Yes I killed her, Yes I want to repent, save my soul, blah, blah, blah, " I just can't see him knowing anything really relevant.

[javahog]

If the PI's were looking in the right area with the video camera as per LP it maybe didn't have to be based on a tip from Caylee or Lee. Maybe they were looking over the tips that came in to the tipline and this one made sense (remember, the MR was told to call the tipline and he said he did on...was it August 12?). They said Eureka! but then found nothing, leading LP to continue hunting at his other locations...

That's why they were close but no body. It was the vague meter readers tip they were going on?

(moo and conjecture...)

[FDInLaw]

If the PI's were looking in the right area with the video camera as per LP it maybe didn't have to be based on a tip from Caylee or Lee. Maybe they were looking over the tips that came in to the tipline and this one made sense (remember, the MR was told to call the tipline and he said he did on...was it August 12?). They said Eureka! but then found nothing, leading LP to continue hunting at his other locations...

That's why they were close but no body. It was the vague meter readers tip they were going on?

(moo and conjecture...)
Ugh. You would burst my bubble with reason. :tongue: Something to think about for sure.

[mu8shark]

Ugh. You would burst my bubble with reason. :tongue: Something to think about for sure. But for the PI's to get this tip from the tipline they would have to have had someone in LE leak it to them that they got this tip and as we know unfortunately LE was not exactly focused on this area nor these tips. Why would someone tip them off to a place from the tipline that LE did not even think was remotely relevant.? The PI's would not have access to those tips on that tipline so they could not heard about the meter reader's August calls unless a LE tipped them off. I think it is more likely that Caseys friend who told LE in the first place you know you might consider this area talked to other friends of Caseys and even Anthony family members and it got back to the PI's, after all one would assume the PI's were interviewing Caseys friends. I just don't see how the PI's would have access to a tip on a tipline that LE barely considered worth checking out. JMO Let me add I think it is still highly unlikely these PI's coincidentally filmed the one area out of a hundred or so that they were looking and what do you know the body was found there. I just think somebody knew Caylee may be around that area and I suspect it was Lee, I really do.

[FDInLaw]

But for the PI's to get this tip from the tipline they would have to have had someone in LE leak it to them that they got this tip and as we know unfortunately LE was not exactly focused on this area nor these tips. Why would someone tip them off to a place from the tipline that LE did not even think was remotely relevant.? The PI's would not have access to those tips on that tipline so they could not heard about the meter reader's August calls unless a LE tipped them off. I think it is more likely that Caseys friend who told LE in the first place you know you might consider this area talked to other friends of Caseys and even Anthony family members and it got back to the PI's, after all one would assume the PI's were interviewing Caseys friends. I just don't see how the PI's would have access to a tip on a tipline that LE barely considered worth checking out. JMO Let me add I think it is still highly unlikely these PI's coincidentally filmed the one area out of a hundred or so that they were looking and what do you know the body was found there. I just think somebody knew Caylee may be around that area and I suspect it was Lee, I really do.Excellent points.

[mu8shark]

This blurb from Loretta's post on news thread Caylee Anthony story: WESH reports that George and Cindy Anthony won't help prosecution without immunity

the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony says they will cooperate in daughter Casey's prosecution -- "only if their words aren't used against them." My comment, well there must be something they know they will get in trouble for and I suspect they realized early on she was dead . Or know other very incriminating things about Casey they did not reveal or lied about. Are they now saying, We will help you in taking her down but we are not going down with her?

[tv]

But for the PI's to get this tip from the tipline they would have to have had someone in LE leak it to them that they got this tip and as we know unfortunately LE was not exactly focused on this area nor these tips. Why would someone tip them off to a place from the tipline that LE did not even think was remotely relevant.? The PI's would not have access to those tips on that tipline so they could not heard about the meter reader's August calls unless a LE tipped them off. I think it is more likely that Caseys friend who told LE in the first place you know you might consider this area talked to other friends of Caseys and even Anthony family members and it got back to the PI's, after all one would assume the PI's were interviewing Caseys friends. I just don't see how the PI's would have access to a tip on a tipline that LE barely considered worth checking out. JMO Let me add I think it is still highly unlikely these PI's coincidentally filmed the one area out of a hundred or so that they were looking and what do you know the body was found there. I just think somebody knew Caylee may be around that area and I suspect it was Lee, I really do.


This case has me so confused with it's twists and turns I don't know if I'm coming or going with it. I firmly believe that Casey killed Caylee but I'm having a hard time with the meter reader and now the video. Then there's LP spouting double-speak without really saying anything you can nail down. I like Leonard Padilla but after he spoke tonight on NG I was saying HUH?? I don't know what's going on but something is fishy. I'm not a big believer in even small coincidences and this one is a whopper.

BTW, thanks to everyone for the great posts. I spend most of my time reading what you guys have to say and forget to post! :)

[mu8shark]

This case has me so confused with it's twists and turns I don't know if I'm coming or going with it. I firmly believe that Casey killed Caylee but I'm having a hard time with the meter reader and now the video. Then there's LP spouting double-speak without really saying anything you can nail down. I like Leonard Padilla but after he spoke tonight on NG I was saying HUH?? I don't know what's going on but something is fishy. I'm not a big believer in even small coincidences and this one is a whopper.

BTW, thanks to everyone for the great posts. I spend most of my time reading what you guys have to say and forget to post! :)You should post more you ask some good questions. Actually if the video was taken 600 yards away from where the body was found it does not make me suspicous that the body was moved or someone besides Casey put it there. Because you can video something and if something is 600 yards from where you are filming you are probably not going to get it on film.The coincidence that bothers me is how did this PI even decide to video an area so close to where the body was eventually found? If I were to find out he had areas all over Orlando on film and that was just one, I would be okay with it, but just this one when LE and Tim Miller said they had over 100 places to look. That PI had some inside info about where that body might be found.

[tv]

You should post more you ask some good questions. Actually if the video was taken 600 yards away from where the body was found it does not make me suspicous that the body was moved or someone besides Casey put it there. Because you can video something and if something is 600 yards from where you are filming you are probably not going to get it on film.The coincidence that bothers me is how did this PI even decide to video an area so close to where the body was eventually found? If I were to find out he had areas all over Orlando on film and that was just one, I would be okay with it, but just this one when LE and Tim Miller said they had over 100 places to look. That PI had some inside info about where that body might be found.Thanks, mu8, but usually everyone else is so on the ball that whatever I'm thinking has already been discussed! I agree about filming something 600 yards away...that's just too far to be of any value IMO. It makes no sense to me that this place was videoed. Why this area? Especially when the focus was elsewhere. I'll also be interested to know if other places were filmed. I'm leaning toward Lee being somehow involved in this as well but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Trying very hard.

[mu8shark]

Thanks, mu8, but usually everyone else is so on the ball that whatever I'm thinking has already been discussed! I agree about filming something 600 yards away...that's just too far to be of any value IMO. It makes no sense to me that this place was videoed. Why this area? Especially when the focus was elsewhere. I'll also be interested to know if other places were filmed. I'm leaning toward Lee being somehow involved in this as well but I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Trying very hard. Well that is a thought too. I mean if they had filmed the area by the airport where LE talked and talked and talked about and media would not let it go, I would totally get why investigators for the defense or Anthonys filmed there but the area he videoed was such a low priority area.

[mu8shark]

By the way remember when George was spotted in his car looking into a clump of trees in a certain area. That was not the same general area was it, it was by the airport right? Because that would be too weird if thinigs are not weird enough. Please correct me if I am wrong esp you Gator because you know the area.