Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[browneyes106]

$5 bra's at Target and groceries. Clothes for herself. There are some Target receipts that were posted and I think a few from grocery stores in the first or second release of documents but I don't think all of its been made public.

There is also evidence that Casey tried to pay her phone bill with Amy's account but there was nothing left.

[lorettalockhorn]

Caylee Updates: Saturday, December 20, 2008

Dear friends and the media:

The Caylee Marie Anthony websites are being redesigned and updated; we encourage you to continue to visit them. New domains may be established at a later date.

www.helpfindcaylee.com
www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

Florida Mall Photo: In the meantime I am requesting that if you were kind enough to market the recent photo from the Florida Mall back on November 16th through your websites and Myspace default photos that you discard that photo and any information associated with it. Despite our efforts in trying to locate who we thought was Caylee Marie at the time, the recent developments prove otherwise. The child in this photo, even though no one had come forward, is obviously not that of Caylee Marie.

When this sighting had come in along with many others, I took the situation seriously prior to releasing it to the public. As a public relations specialist for over twenty years, I chose to distribute the photo on the basis that the evidence, witness statement, and family’s belief this child was Caylee, our decision to release it would help bring her home. I have no regrets in releasing the photo and I apologize in advance if in the future someone does come forward, Caylee Marie took my breath away and any choices we made as a team in order to help bring her home were made with all good intentions.

Again, we ask that you please remove the photo from your source of communications’ efforts and thank each of you for lending a helping hand in the search for Caylee Marie.

Myspace Friends: if in the past you submitted a comment or message request, anything prior to December 19th will be erased. I have over 3500 messages to read and anything prior to yesterday is appreciated but most likely won’t be relevant today. I encourage you please send a “comment” request of holiday nature or sympathy to the family and if positive in nature, your request will be posted. Any negative comments or any giving opinions on Caylee’s mom will also be deleted. This is and has always been Caylee’s site and we ask you to please respect that if she was the one managing it.

Services
At this time no arrangements have been made, as soon as they have we will post on www.helpfindcaylee.com.

The family requests that you give them time; any media requests please direct them to their attorney Brad Conway.

Thank you for your continued support, the entire nation has lost an Angel this week.

Michelle A. Bart, Helping Heroes


This makes me sick. What about an apology to the family of thus unknown child? What about an apology to Amy H. or Jesse G? Just a little 'oops!"

Donna

AMEN. These people owe plenty of apologies to plenty of people.

[lighthousedazy]

I am one who would have a lot of sympathy for someone who would avoid an area because of a snake. not only would i not go near it i would never go to the area again just in case he was there waiting for me....I lived in New Mexico for four years and it only made things worse.....I would not have been a good person to be on any of the search teams......I understand your sympathy Toejam. One of my favorite programs I used to watch was "Venom ER". I think it was on Discovery, not sure. It seems that there are many more venomous snakes in the west and midwest than in the south. I just cant understand a guy with a gun in his belt would be afraid of a snake. Just my opinion. :shrug:

[Justice Denied?]

Hey everyone! My computer died that is why I have not been on. Last week when the remains were found, I was relieved but also very sad because now it is confirmed that C is dead. Puts all of G&C's "sightings" in the bullcrap crapper and now the state of FL needs to execute this *****!!! The duct tape got me, she must have put that over the child's mouth and then suffocated her with the chlorform, this by no means was an accidental death, she meant to kill C no doubt in my mind!! And last night, listening to Baez's comment about "you don't know half the story" What the hell did he mean by that??? I suppose Zenaida killed the child? I understand that C&G have asked for privacy and this coming from two morons that licked up every minute in the spotlight running their spin about how C is alive somewhere and that "they are being watched" Did anyone find out what wooded area G was seen peering into? Was it were C was found? And a deputy's head is gonna roll if it comes to light that he did not search that area well, had he, C would have been found sooner, and I think he is lying to save his ass! And boy! Did LP hit it right on the nose when he said that CA had told him that C was not far from home and then we heard it from her lips too on the jail tapes!! I understand the trial is now been moved up to March and I can tell you guys that I plan if they have it on TRU will watch every minute, I want to see this loser ***** squirm in her seat! I heard that right after they told her that a child's remains were found near her home that she "sobbed uncontrollably" Had that not been C, she would not have batted an eyelash, by her sobbing, it tells the whole world that she knew the jig was up and she also knew the DNA would come back as C's and also knows she blew her life up in spades! I want her to get the DP. too bad FL does not use the chair, I would love to see her sitting it and when they flip the switch she screams all the way to hell!! Somehow scum like her and Couey deserve so much more pain than a needle stick and that is all the pain they will feel! Or maybe this for punishment. 23 hour lockdown, no TV or radio, no books or magazines, a shower a week, one hour out a day in a dog cage. nothing to do but state at 4 walls for the rest of her miserable ass life Yesterday was an extremely painful day for me. My beloved cat Nyja who was 18 was put down. She had been going downhill since August, I took her to the vet then and she thought she had a intestinal infection and she was treating her for that, but it wasn't working and she was vomiting and losing weight and I decided as painful as this is, I had to let her go and all day and last night I felt like I murdered her and spent all last night crying, could not sleep, she wasn't in the bed and this ***** murders her daughter because she got in her way of a good time and my baby had to go to God and she was 17, C was 2 when this loser skank suffocated her for no other reason!! And I am convinced Cindy knows more than she has let on and she should be charged with obstruction and withholding evidence. I can't fathom how in hell they could stand behind her knowing she murdered their grandbaby in cold blood! If this was my kid ,I would disown her for what she has done!! It could not be more clearer who murdered the child!!! CASEY!!!!!!! And what spin are we gonna hear next when they break their silence???? And to hire a spokesperson is ridiculous who do they think they are celebrities???? I hope to have a new computer by next month so I am not gonna post much as I am on my friend's right now

Wind,

You have my sincere sympathy on losing your cat. I hope you find peace in your heart.

I agree with you sentiments completely. Hope you get your computer soon.

[beachbum]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470650,00.html

Not sure if this has been discussed:

"Ahead of the announcement, Florida police released evidence photos from the scene where the remains were found. One showed a picture book discovered in the woods that the child had been photographed reading before she vanished.

The book is among numerous pieces of evidence Orange County Sheriff's deputies say they found in the wooded area where Caylee's remains turned up."

There are pictures at the fox website of the little book at the site of where her bones were found.

Very Interesting! JMO

[Gatordog]

Caylee Updates: Saturday, December 20, 2008

Dear friends and the media:

The Caylee Marie Anthony websites are being redesigned and updated; we encourage you to continue to visit them. New domains may be established at a later date.

www.helpfindcaylee.com
www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

Florida Mall Photo: In the meantime I am requesting that if you were kind enough to market the recent photo from the Florida Mall back on November 16th through your websites and Myspace default photos that you discard that photo and any information associated with it. Despite our efforts in trying to locate who we thought was Caylee Marie at the time, the recent developments prove otherwise. The child in this photo, even though no one had come forward, is obviously not that of Caylee Marie.

When this sighting had come in along with many others, I took the situation seriously prior to releasing it to the public. As a public relations specialist for over twenty years, I chose to distribute the photo on the basis that the evidence, witness statement, and family’s belief this child was Caylee, our decision to release it would help bring her home. I have no regrets in releasing the photo and I apologize in advance if in the future someone does come forward, Caylee Marie took my breath away and any choices we made as a team in order to help bring her home were made with all good intentions.

Again, we ask that you please remove the photo from your source of communications’ efforts and thank each of you for lending a helping hand in the search for Caylee Marie.

Myspace Friends: if in the past you submitted a comment or message request, anything prior to December 19th will be erased. I have over 3500 messages to read and anything prior to yesterday is appreciated but most likely won’t be relevant today. I encourage you please send a “comment” request of holiday nature or sympathy to the family and if positive in nature, your request will be posted. Any negative comments or any giving opinions on Caylee’s mom will also be deleted. This is and has always been Caylee’s site and we ask you to please respect that if she was the one managing it.

Services
At this time no arrangements have been made, as soon as they have we will post on www.helpfindcaylee.com.

The family requests that you give them time; any media requests please direct them to their attorney Brad Conway.

Thank you for your continued support, the entire nation has lost an Angel this week.

Michelle A. Bart, Helping Heroes


This makes me sick. What about an apology to the family of thus unknown child? What about an apology to Amy H. or Jesse G? Just a little 'oops!"

Donna

What bothers me most is that any person who lives in Orlando should know how many international tourists stay at the hotel located within this mall. They should not be surprised that no one has come forward. This hotel and mall are huge and attract hundreds of people per day. Not to mention that you could see that this child was not Caylee.

[Gatordog]

Maybe she was broke having spent all Amy's money. Maybe she couldn't afford to skip.

I think she has money stashed someplace. Supposedly, she went through about $40K on Cindy's credit cards. She was planning to take off, but was found before she could leave. I guess Tony was her downfall. JMO.

Gator

[Gatordog]

:rolleyes:

Casey's lawyer: 'You really do not know half of this story.'

Amy L. Edwards | Sarah Lundy and Walter Pacheco, Sentinel Staff Writers
December 20, 2008

Caylee Marie Anthony's mother, 22-year-old Casey Anthony, learned about the identification Friday at the Orange County Jail, where she is awaiting trial on a first-degree-murder charge in her daughter's death. A jail chaplain informed her about 15 minutes before the official announcement. Her reaction was not released.

Jail officials said she turned down a visit with her pastor, Shane Stutzman, who arrived while she was meeting with attorney Jose Garcia.

Her lead attorney, Jose Baez, told television crews outside the jail that he would not disclose how his client reacted to the news.

"This is her private moment," he said. "This is what she is going through."

Anthony and her family have insisted Caylee was kidnapped by a baby sitter. Detectives say the sitter does not exist.

Baez said his client still maintains she is innocent.

:no: "You really do not know half of this story. You don't," Baez said. "And you will find out in court."

The toddler's grandparents -- George and Cindy Anthony -- received the news at their home on Hopespring Drive. Their son, Lee Anthony, arrived at the house to be with them.

Several hours later the Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, read a statement asking people to pray for Caylee and for other families that have missing children.

"The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff's Office at approximately 1:30 today," Conway said. "They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families."

He said the family wants the same answers as law enforcement and pledged to make themselves available to investigators.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-cayleefam2008dec20,0,3173549.story

Baez can say anything he wants to now because he's not at trial. If he keeps trash talking, people are going to expect a lot from him during his defense and he's not going to be able to deliver.

Mark Nejame has been on a lot of local news shows and he said something pretty smart: "You can't catch a fish if it doesn't open its mouth." Baez hasn't closed his yet. :no:

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Caylee's guestbook at legacy.com:

http://www.legacy.com/GB2/ListViewPage.aspx?bookId=652956610025

[lorettalockhorn]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470650,00.html

Not sure if this has been discussed:

"Ahead of the announcement, Florida police released evidence photos from the scene where the remains were found. One showed a picture book discovered in the woods that the child had been photographed reading before she vanished.

The book is among numerous pieces of evidence Orange County Sheriff's deputies say they found in the wooded area where Caylee's remains turned up."

There are pictures at the fox website of the little book at the site of where her bones were found.

Very Interesting! JMO

Wonder if that particular book is something that LE may have been looking for this afternoon at the Anthonys'.

O2S posted this comparison for us last night:

http://i42.tinypic.com/24uyqmh.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/34tbvxj.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Geraldo just stated that he thinks "they're getting ready to indict these grandparents".

[beachbum]

Wonder if that particular book is something that LE may have been looking for this afternoon at the Anthonys'.

O2S posted this comparison for us last night:

http://i42.tinypic.com/24uyqmh.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/34tbvxj.jpg

thanks Loretta for posting the pix.

[lorettalockhorn]

thanks Loretta for posting the pix.

YW!!!!!!!!!

Lawsy, Geraldo has Gale St. John on tonight. She has a video of the crimescene that she made 8/11/08 (same day as Kronk made the first call). She says there was a lot of water; kneehigh. She admits that she was trespassing, but she did try to get permission.

And helllllllllloooooooo Deputy Wussy, she is wearing shorts and is not carrying a firearm.

Link to video:

http://www.thebodyhunter.com/video-caylee.html

[mu8shark]

Jose says we don't know half the story, which sounds to me like he is going to try and implicate someone else. I do not agree that Casey will walk because they can't prove first degree murder. I bet at trial they will offer lesser degrees unless they have the goods. I had a little thought if Cindy and George go and visit Casey will we hear this, "Casey did the meter reader have a key to the house?" LOL. I would not put it past them. I may be totally wrong but I do not think the grandparents will come around. Also for Baez to be saying LE is trying to kick the Anthonys by going back for another search, for F's sake this is a murder investigation. Because they feel sorry for them should they just quit? Just let the Anthonys hide anything that may incriminate Casey and get their daughter off? This is crazy. Also on this psychic, it does not look like she got far enough in there at all, she says she did not go back there because the water was waist high and the signs were up and then Geraldo tries to instigate and say but you searched the exact same place? No she didn't , the film shoes her on the outside of those trees. If they found the bones in such a wide area, then that bag could have been a lot farther back and moved by the Hurricane weather.

[Lodi]

I understand your sympathy Toejam. One of my favorite programs I used to watch was "Venom ER". I think it was on Discovery, not sure. It seems that there are many more venomous snakes in the west and midwest than in the south. I just cant understand a guy with a gun in his belt would be afraid of a snake. Just my opinion. :shrug:

I don't think much about venemous snakes until I am suddenly confronted with one. At that moment I feel that I am surrounded by them. An uneasy feeling even if you have a gun in your hands. I once uprighted an aluminum fishing boat lying on the bank of a small lake. As I raised the side of the boat, a large cottonmouth moccasin beneath the boat struck several times at my hands. Made me do an Irish jig and I had never done one before. If I hear a rattlesnake shaking his rattle near me, it sure gets my attention. I can understand your lack of fear for them though. I have tromped through lots of snakey places and have never been bitten.

[mu8shark]

YW!!!!!!!!!

Lawsy, Geraldo has Gale St. John on tonight. She has a video of the crimescene that she made 8/11/08 (same day as Kronk made the first call). She says there was a lot of water; kneehigh. She admits that she was trespassing, but she did try to get permission.

And helllllllllloooooooo Deputy Wussy, she is wearing shorts and is not carrying a firearm. Well here is my take on Deputy Wussy, he saw a snake and was scared and thought aw F it. I will just say I checked it out and went on. I don't think there is anything suspicious or nefarious to it. Some of the media is just going wild with this discovery.

[mu8shark]

Baez can say anything he wants to now because he's not at trial. If he keeps trash talking, people are going to expect a lot from him during his defense and he's not going to be able to deliver.

Mark Nejame has been on a lot of local news shows and he said something pretty smart: "You can't catch a fish if it doesn't open its mouth." Baez hasn't closed his yet. :no:

Gator He is going to get so bitten in the ass if her prints are on that tape and it is hard not to leave prints on that kind of tape. BY the way thanks god for Baden on here, not the Blonde Bombshell his wife, but Michael Baden is making sense at least on this case. He says he thinks they may be able to convince a jury about the chloroform and to me it makes sense , if you look up chloroform and you are *****ing about a babysitter and your trunk is saturated with chloroform and then your child turns up dead in a trunk, well jurors may want to think about that!

[lorettalockhorn]

Well here is my take on Deputy Wussy, he saw a snake and was scared and thought aw F it. I will just say I checked it out and went on. I don't think there is anything suspicious or nefarious to it. Some of the media is just going wild with this discovery.

LOL I don't think it suspicious or nefarious (unless it was Rusciano), I just think he's a wuss if that's the reason that he shirked his duty.

RE: GST's search; for sure she didn't go back in there and search, and probably just as well due to the water and it being private property and her being unauthorized. But I'm still impressed that that's where they went in the first place and the kid asked about Caylee being so close to home.

[mu8shark]

Wind, I am so sorry to hear about your cat. I have two dogs one is eight and one is nine and I dread that they are getting older. I love them so much. You know when you get an animal or have a child you make a commitment to them to take care of them and make their life better and as happy as possible. It sounds like you did right by your little baby. Too bad in this case, Casey treated Caylee like a toy she outgrew. Hope the comparison of animals and children does not offend. Just trying to say, they are among the most vulnerable and needy among us and we must always do right by them.

[One2Snoop]

I don't think much about venemous snakes until I am suddenly confronted with one. At that moment I feel that I am surrounded by them. An uneasy feeling even if you have a gun in your hands. I once uprighted an aluminum fishing boat lying on the bank of a small lake. As I raised the side of the boat, a large cottonmouth moccasin beneath the boat struck several times at my hands. Made me do an Irish jig and I had never done one before. If I hear a rattlesnake shaking his rattle near me, it sure gets my attention. I can understand your lack of fear for them though. I have tromped through lots of snakey places and have never been bitten.

Oh lucky you. I guess it takes a snake to know one. :cool:

[lorettalockhorn]

Wind, I am so sorry to hear about your cat. I have two dogs one is eight and one is nine and I dread that they are getting older. I love them so much. You know when you get an animal or have a child you make a commitment to them to take care of them and make their life better and as happy as possible. It sounds like you did right by your little baby. Too bad in this case, Casey treated Caylee like a toy she outgrew. Hope the comparison of animals and children does not offend. Just trying to say, they are among the most vulnerable and needy among us and we must always do right by them.

That is so true, and part of that commitment to animals sometimes includes euthanasia.

You post isn't offensive at all; Caylee's vulnerability is exactly what makes the crime so heinous.

[mu8shark]

Baez keeps saying we don't know the whole story yet - you might just be right on with that thought Sharlock. I agree I am getting a hinky feeling that Casey is going to try and dump on someone she knows and who better than Mom or Dad or even Lee. Anything for her to get her precious self off. If they find her fingerprints on the bag or tape it would not surprise me to hear her say she found her dead! And she just panicked and dumped the body. Anything to get off.

[mu8shark]

That is so true, and part of that commitment to animals sometimes includes euthanasia.

You post isn't offensive at all; Caylee's vulnerability is exactly what makes the crime so heinous. Unfortunately it does include euthanasia. I often think animals deserve such a long life but they do make the most of what they have!

[Lodi]

Oh lucky you. I guess it takes one to know one. :cool:

Ouch! I've been bitten by one of the best.

[Brainstorm]

oh lucky you. I guess it takes a snake to know one. :cool:

lol.............

[mu8shark]

One of my favorite meals. Can i come over for supper the next time you have that?

My oldest daughter tells people that she didn't know meat came in strips til she left home. She thought steak was the hamburger patty you put Worchestershire sauce on and popped in the oven.

We won't talk about sheets as I think the elastic is stretched out on all my fitted sheets. I know my elastic keeps coming off. Sometimes I add bacon bits to my macaroni and cheese. Next time I fix it I will email you some! LOL

[One2Snoop]

I agree I am getting a hinky feeling that Casey is going to try and dump on someone she knows and who better than Mom or Dad or even Lee. Anything for her to get her precious self off. If they find her fingerprints on the bag or tape it would not surprise me to hear her say she found her dead! And she just panicked and dumped the body. Anything to get off.

Geraldo certainly had his boxers (or does he wear tighty whities LMAO) in a wad tonight - He's siding with Baez saying basically the same thing about panick etc... GMAFreakin'B. I trust the investigators/prosecutor and Judge Strickland know exactly what they're doing. Did I hear Baez admit, :eek: to the fact that he should just sit back and wait for all the investigative reports/photo's etc... to base his case on? I'm sure that's what I heard him say - well duh Baez - that's usually the way it works. :punch:

[readmylips]

ReadMyLips,

You're right, I've swung like a pendulum on Cindy. She is a fighter as she proved to the protestors and to me. She has fought for the wrong person too often. I wish she had fought her daughter that strongly for Caylee but it's too late for that now. She adored Caylee and I guess I feel sorry for her and I think that if it's true that she did physically attack Casey, then she is going to blame herself for Caylee's murder for the rest of her life. Also, I guess it's easier to blame LE for not doing their jobs and it's easy to accuse the public of not caring to find Caylee than it is to accept that the one person in the world you love the most, your daughter, has killed the most precious person in your life. Cindy was shown coming out of the house after she was able to get her dogs, while they were at the hotel. The camera focused on her in the car and she was hugging one dog and kissing the other dog. The look on her face was haunting, it was as if she had just one second of a normal life again and then it was like all she had left to love was her dogs. I'm just a real softee. Maybe it's because she's been quiet. Once she starts spewing about her daughter being a great mother, she angers me again.

Gator

Thank you for sharing your viewpoint! :)

I am still on the fence but have just not been able to give her the full benefit of the doubt yet. I have mixed feelings still.

I appreciate your local input very much.

[Justice Denied?]

I personally think LP is trying to get out of paying any reward money. It was a group effort, etc.

[One2Snoop]

Ouch! I've been bitten by one of the best.

:rolleyes:

[Justice Denied?]

Fox has a blurb too. Just basically a recap of events so far.

Oh okay, the reporter just reiterated that he was told that material evidence other than bones was found at the Suburban Drive site and that it's possible that other arrests could be made at some date.

Now my curiousity is really aroused. Is he talking about the arrest of G & C? Do you know where he is getting his info?

[One2Snoop]

Now my curiousity is really aroused. Is he talking about the arrest of G & C? Do you know where he is getting his info?

I believe that was just speculation on the reporters part. I saw the report as it was made - let me see if I can find a link for you and then you can judge for yourself.

[lorettalockhorn]

Geraldo certainly had his boxers (or does he wear tighty whities LMAO) in a wad tonight - He's siding with Baez saying basically the same thing about panick etc... GMAFreakin'B. I trust the investigators/prosecutor and Judge Strickland know exactly what they're doing. Did I hear Baez admit, :eek: to the fact that he should just sit back and wait for all the investigative reports/photo's etc... to base his case on? I'm sure that's what I heard him say - well duh Baez - that's usually the way it works. :punch:

Such a hoot when Jose said that you can't convict a liar of murder (or some such). From my point of view it pretty much sounded like he was admitting that Casey is a liar. Which is slightly different from someone who lies from time to time, in my nitpicky world.

[lorettalockhorn]

Now my curiousity is really aroused. Is he talking about the arrest of G & C? Do you know where he is getting his info?

He didn't refer to G&C or anyone else by name. He said that he spoke to the captain (I think) and asked if there might be more arrests and was told perhaps in the future. paraphrased

[Justice Denied?]

Caylee Updates: Saturday, December 20, 2008

Dear friends and the media:

The Caylee Marie Anthony websites are being redesigned and updated; we encourage you to continue to visit them. New domains may be established at a later date.

www.helpfindcaylee.com
www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

Florida Mall Photo: In the meantime I am requesting that if you were kind enough to market the recent photo from the Florida Mall back on November 16th through your websites and Myspace default photos that you discard that photo and any information associated with it. Despite our efforts in trying to locate who we thought was Caylee Marie at the time, the recent developments prove otherwise. The child in this photo, even though no one had come forward, is obviously not that of Caylee Marie.

When this sighting had come in along with many others, I took the situation seriously prior to releasing it to the public. As a public relations specialist for over twenty years, I chose to distribute the photo on the basis that the evidence, witness statement, and family’s belief this child was Caylee, our decision to release it would help bring her home. I have no regrets in releasing the photo and I apologize in advance if in the future someone does come forward, Caylee Marie took my breath away and any choices we made as a team in order to help bring her home were made with all good intentions.

Again, we ask that you please remove the photo from your source of communications’ efforts and thank each of you for lending a helping hand in the search for Caylee Marie.

Myspace Friends: if in the past you submitted a comment or message request, anything prior to December 19th will be erased. I have over 3500 messages to read and anything prior to yesterday is appreciated but most likely won’t be relevant today. I encourage you please send a “comment” request of holiday nature or sympathy to the family and if positive in nature, your request will be posted. Any negative comments or any giving opinions on Caylee’s mom will also be deleted. This is and has always been Caylee’s site and we ask you to please respect that if she was the one managing it.

Services
At this time no arrangements have been made, as soon as they have we will post on www.helpfindcaylee.com.

The family requests that you give them time; any media requests please direct them to their attorney Brad Conway.

Thank you for your continued support, the entire nation has lost an Angel this week.

Michelle A. Bart, Helping Heroes


This makes me sick. What about an apology to the family of thus unknown child? What about an apology to Amy H. or Jesse G? Just a little 'oops!"

Donna

"the entire nation has lost an angel this week"?. We lost that child on June 16th! Wake up!:flamemad::cuss::mad::cuss:

[One2Snoop]

He didn't refer to G&C or anyone else by name. He said that he spoke to the captain (I think) and asked if there might be more arrests and was told perhaps in the future. paraphrased

Yes, I believe your correct. Wasn't it on Fox and the reporter was Trudell - I noticed that part of the video was snipped -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8115577&version=1&locale=EN-US

[mu8shark]

I agree I think the defense will stick to the Zani defense but they never be able to prove Zani's existence. I completely agree and I also am struck by the way defense attorneys say 'Well the defense does not have to prove anything." Well yes and no. Yes technically they don't have to prove anything but in this case, they are going to have to show a jury, there is a nanny, here is her name, her is her apartment or house, her is the proof she did take care of Caylee and here is the motive, means and opportunity for this woman to kill her and not Casey. They can't just go in there and say, Well maybe the search went wrong, maybe the cadaver dogs missed this or that, maybe LE did not do all the forensic tests right, now acquit this woman who waited 30 days to report her, who probably would not have done so if her mother had not made her, who partied like crazy, who was too busy stealing to look for her , who looked up neck breaking, death by inhalation, how to make chloroform, who had the smell of death in the car SHE DROVE,, who had a trunk in the car SHE DROVE saturated with chloroform and God willing whose fingerprints are on the bag or duct tape. Forget all that and put LE on trial because a deputy was lazy or too scared of a snake to look at the bag. It is not going to work. End of my rant and closing statement!

[POE-33]

Well here is my take on Deputy Wussy, he saw a snake and was scared and thought aw F it. I will just say I checked it out and went on. I don't think there is anything suspicious or nefarious to it. Some of the media is just going wild with this discovery.


I agree.
The Deputy probably thought that the caller was a crank and he went there and pretended to check it out. The area had already been searched and he assumed that the meter reader was seeing things. He might have seen a snake or he might not have wanted to get is uniform dirty, plodding through soggy ground.

In my hometown, about 12 years ago, a sixteen year old girl was raped and strangled by an 18 year old boy who she had dated a couple of times and broken up with.
Her parents were away from home one night and the boy dropped by her house.
When she told him to leave, he attacked her and strangled her.
He carried her body about 150 yards from her home and put it in a vacant lot and covered it with brush. The lot dropped down a steep bank and the body was about 8 feet below street level.

When her parents reported her missing the next day, the Police searched the area. They walked up and down the street, but never walked down the bank.
They probably didn't want to get their shoes muddy.
Three days later, a neighbor was walking his dog and the dog found the body.

We can't condemn the Orange County Sheriff's Dept. for one negligent officer, but they should have had a system in place to debrief every officer who investigated a tip.

One thing that puzzles me is that since the vacant lot was so close to the Anthony home, why didn't LE bring in portable pumps or Fire Engines and drain the lot.
:shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

Geraldo certainly had his boxers (or does he wear tighty whities LMAO) in a wad tonight - He's siding with Baez saying basically the same thing about panick etc... GMAFreakin'B. I trust the investigators/prosecutor and Judge Strickland know exactly what they're doing. Did I hear Baez admit, :eek: to the fact that he should just sit back and wait for all the investigative reports/photo's etc... to base his case on? I'm sure that's what I heard him say - well duh Baez - that's usually the way it works. :punch:
I was watching Geraldo last week when he had wussy foot Baez on his program. He introduced Baez as his good friend. Kimberly Gilfoyl and another female lawyer was on the program and asking him questions. KG asked why was caysee spending several hours a day in his office. I don't remember the answer but Geraldo did mention that Baez had a drop dead gorgous wife. ??

[Justice Denied?]

I think she has money stashed someplace. Supposedly, she went through about $40K on Cindy's credit cards. She was planning to take off, but was found before she could leave. I guess Tony was her downfall. JMO.

Gator

I suppose that's possible but if that's true, why didn't she put gas in her car.

I thought maybe she was waiting for that military guy to send her the money to come. However you may be right about Tony.

[mu8shark]

Such a hoot when Jose said that you can't convict a liar of murder (or some such). From my point of view it pretty much sounded like he was admitting that Casey is a liar. Which is slightly different from someone who lies from time to time, in my nitpicky world.By the way if you ask me Baez ought to think long and hard about what Craig Riveria pointed out , when Geraldo stupidly said that since they have no cause of death it is problematic. Two words, Scott Peterson, Three words BIG FAT LIAR. As he pointed, nobody knows exactly when Laci died, how she was killed , or really where she was killed (although probably in the house) and Scott got death row. So juries don't need every little detail to throw the book at the defendant. If Baez is listening to the likes of Geraldo, he is naive. How stupid for Geraldo to say LE had a better case when there was no body. Really, come on. Now one HUGE avenue is closed off, she is not alive at the mall , at the airport, Puerto RIco, Georgia, or with Zanny looking at her books and talking about her shoes. She is dead in a bag, like a piece of trash, shameful. Sorry guys I feel like ranting tonight. Geraldo really irritates me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, I believe your correct. Wasn't it on Fox and the reporter was Trudell - I noticed that part of the video was snipped -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8115577&version=1&locale=EN-US

When I was watching live, it was Phil(?) Keating. Pretty sure, anyway. Don't remember if he used the word "captain" or "spokesman". For what it's worth, Geraldo later said that he thinks the grandparents will be charged with obstruction. I take a lot of this (especially on Fox) with a grain of salt. I'm such a junkie though, I have to watch even if I don't believe what I'm hearing.

[mu8shark]

I agree.
The Deputy probably thought that the caller was a crank and he went there and pretended to check it out. The area had already been searched and he assumed that the meter reader was seeing things. He might have seen a snake or he might not have wanted to get is uniform dirty, plodding through soggy ground.

In my hometown, about 12 years ago, a sixteen year old girl was raped and strangled by an 18 year old boy who she had dated a couple of times and broken up with.
Her parents were away from home one night and the boy dropped by her house.
When she told him to leave, he attacked her and strangled her.
He carried her body about 150 yards from her home and put it in a vacant lot and covered it with brush. The lot dropped down a steep bank and the body was about 8 feet below street level.

When her parents reported her missing the next day, the Police searched the area. They walked up and down the street, but never walked down the bank.
They probably didn't want to get their shoes muddy.
Three days later, a neighbor was walking his dog and the dog found the body.

We can't condemn the Orange County Sheriff's Dept. for one negligent officer, but they should have had a system in place to debrief every officer who investigated a tip.

One thing that puzzles me is that since the vacant lot was so close to the Anthony home, why didn't LE bring in portable pumps or Fire Engines and drain the lot.
:shrug:Great post and remember they found Chandra Levy like yards away from where they and cadaver dogs looked . It all depends on the conditions. Let me take a crack at that last question and here is my take. Tim Miller said when he and his team went to search, LE gave him over 100 areas to search that were tips from cell pings or suggestions, tips, etc. LE had so many places to look and not enough time and horrible weather. So imagine with that many places to look, spending all day or a few days getting a hold of the owner of the land, getting the equipment and pumping that out? Then you have 99 or so more places to still look! I don't think the tip was originally thought to be that good, after all the girl said as teens she and Casey hung out there. It would be another thing if it was a more certain tip, like she told me she would put a body there or I think I saw her around there, etc. To LE it was one of many and then there is part two which all the professional searchers said, when you go in and dredge and pump, you can destroy vital evidence

[mu8shark]

When I was watching live, it was Phil(?) Keating. Pretty sure, anyway. Don't remember if he used the word "captain" or "spokesman". For what it's worth, Geraldo later said that he thinks the grandparents will be charged with obstruction. I take a lot of this (especially on Fox) with a grain of salt. I'm such a junkie though, I have to watch even if I don't believe what I'm hearing.Arrgh Loretta me too, I don't like not having any news on this case for two days so I watch Geraldo even though I think he is full of it most of the time.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was watching Geraldo last week when he had wussy foot Baez on his program. He introduced Baez as his good friend. Kimberly Gilfoyl and another female lawyer was on the program and asking him questions. KG asked why was caysee spending several hours a day in his office. I don't remember the answer but Geraldo did mention that Baez had a drop dead gorgous wife. ??

I've read that he's married, but I've never seen a pic. Maybe he's GIB. As far as I can see, the attraction can't be the ability to string together a logical and comprehensible sentence. He should keep her away from Geraldo; isn't he about due for him to get a goil change??

[One2Snoop]

I've read that he's married, but I've never seen a pic. Maybe he's GIB. As far as I can see, the attraction can't be the ability to string together a logical and comprehensible sentence. He should keep her away from Geraldo; isn't he about due for him to get a goil change??

Oh there's a pic out there of Baez, wife and baby buns being casted in cement. You mean you haven't seen it yet? LOL! :eek:

[mu8shark]

Now my curiousity is really aroused. Is he talking about the arrest of G & C? Do you know where he is getting his info?
Well to hear Baez talk the third search warrant is just kicking the Anthonys when they are down, never mind there is a murder investigation going on , right? I mean let those poor people be, riiiight.......Does he know how absurd he sounds? I mean at least a good lawyer when asked about that or a reasonable one might say, An investigation is going on and they have to do their jobs!What does he want them to do , forget the whole thing?

[Justice Denied?]

I agree I am getting a hinky feeling that Casey is going to try and dump on someone she knows and who better than Mom or Dad or even Lee. Anything for her to get her precious self off. If they find her fingerprints on the bag or tape it would not surprise me to hear her say she found her dead! And she just panicked and dumped the body. Anything to get off.
Hadn't thought of that but wouldn't suprise me at all.

[mu8shark]

Thanks for that link! What did I say as soon as I heard about this woman? That there are some people that are trying to still save Casey. So it does not surprise me that she is delivering food, She probably is convinced Casey did not do it and is trying to help. I am sure the tree or bush she took a photo of is unique. No other bushes or trees that look like that on the whole block. LOL. When people insinuate themselves into things like this and are chummy with the defendants family, RED FLAG

[Justice Denied?]

I know my elastic keeps coming off. Sometimes I add bacon bits to my macaroni and cheese. Next time I fix it I will email you some! LOL

Oh boy, am I looking foward to that. Love Mac and cheeze with bacon bits. Thanks so much!

[Justice Denied?]

Geraldo certainly had his boxers (or does he wear tighty whities LMAO) in a wad tonight - He's siding with Baez saying basically the same thing about panick etc... GMAFreakin'B. I trust the investigators/prosecutor and Judge Strickland know exactly what they're doing. Did I hear Baez admit, :eek: to the fact that he should just sit back and wait for all the investigative reports/photo's etc... to base his case on? I'm sure that's what I heard him say - well duh Baez - that's usually the way it works. :punch:

ROFLMAO! Good one! I needed that life.:D

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh there's a pic out there of Baez, wife and baby buns being casted in cement. You mean you haven't seen it yet? LOL! :eek:

I read about the baby buns, but haven't see a pic.

[lorettalockhorn]

What did I say as soon as I heard about this woman? That there are some people that are trying to still save Casey. So it does not surprise me that she is delivering food, She probably is convinced Casey did not do it and is trying to help. I am sure the tree or bush she took a photo of is unique. No other bushes or trees that look like that on the whole block. LOL. When people insinuate themselves into things like this and are chummy with the defendants family, RED FLAG

Tim Miller is going to be on Scared Monkeys radio with Dana Pretzer tomorrow night; I wonder if he's ever addressed maralleno's pix? I've noticed that Barb from TES (pretty sure it's the Barb that I've spoken to) posts at WS where maralleno does. There is no way that TM doesn't know that she claims to have those photos. I truly hate to see someone even insinuate that TES didn't do everything humanly possible to find Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree I am getting a hinky feeling that Casey is going to try and dump on someone she knows and who better than Mom or Dad or even Lee. Anything for her to get her precious self off. If they find her fingerprints on the bag or tape it would not surprise me to hear her say she found her dead! And she just panicked and dumped the body. Anything to get off.

Well, surely to goodness LE has looked long and hard at ALL the Anthonys.

Also, I read an interesting theory somewhere; that Casey actually killed Caylee right after the fight with Cindy and the reason that she left her nude was because she couldn't risk Caylee being found in the exact clothes that she had been video taped wearing with her great-grandfather at the Father's Day visit. Of course, that would mean that George lied about seeing her at 12:50 on the 16th.

(Well, it was interesting to me!)

[One2Snoop]

I read about the baby buns, but haven't see a pic.

I'm looking for it LOL .... :seeya:

[mu8shark]

Just reported "additional material evidence other than bones" Well that leaves it wide open LOL. Could they have found someone from the Anthony home fingerprints on something at the dump scene? I mean, holy cow if that was true that would be something.

[mu8shark]

Well, surely to goodness LE has looked long and hard at ALL the Anthonys.

Also, I read an interesting theory somewhere; that Casey actually killed Caylee right after the fight with Cindy and the reason that she left her nude was because she couldn't risk Caylee being found in the exact clothes that she had been video taped wearing with her great-grandfather at the Father's Day visit. Of course, that would mean that George lied about seeing her at 12:50 on the 16th.

(Well, it was interesting to me!)My cousin told me when she was watching NG, one of the written blurbs she thought she saw was the LE believes Caylee never left the Anthony house at all. Is that true? If so , what does that mean, either George lied and she was killed before or Casey brought Caylee back to the Anthony house and did something to her there. Is that true??? Does LE now theorize Caylee did not leave the house and something happened to her there or did she just read it wrong?

[lorettalockhorn]

My cousin told me when she was watching NG, one of the written blurbs she thought she saw was the LE believes Caylee never left the Anthony house at all. Is that true? If so , what does that mean, either George lied and she was killed before or Casey brought Caylee back to the Anthony house and did something to her there. Is that true??? Does LE now theorize Caylee did not leave the house and something happened to her there or did she just read it wrong?

Boy, I dunno. But I'd give Leroy's left (well nevermind) to know if those cadaver dogs were ever inside the Anthony house.

[One2Snoop]

I read about the baby buns, but haven't see a pic.

Ok, I was wrong - it was Nejame, wife and baby.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://baby-bellys.com/db3/00227/baby-bellys.com/_uimages/Baby-Bellys3041.jpg&imgrefurl=http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html&usg=__6MJMUNrozatuw1gq1TOF3XS54Xk=&h=1712&w=2288&sz=586&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=FE2lDbRVdJRwgM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsite:baby-bellys.com%2BCast%2B%2Bbaby%2Bbunns%26ndsp%3D20%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D3JH%26sa%3DN

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok, I was wrong - it was Nejame, wife and baby.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://baby-bellys.com/db3/00227/baby-bellys.com/_uimages/Baby-Bellys3041.jpg&imgrefurl=http://baby-bellys.com/_wsn/page4.html&usg=__6MJMUNrozatuw1gq1TOF3XS54Xk=&h=1712&w=2288&sz=586&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=FE2lDbRVdJRwgM:&tbnh=112&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsite:baby-bellys.com%2BCast%2B%2Bbaby%2Bbunns%26ndsp%3D20%26 um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D3JH%26sa%3DN

:eek:

Well, Mrs. Nejame has nice teeth.

[One2Snoop]

:eek:

Well, Mrs. Nejame has nice teeth.

ROFL - the baby is really cute too. :rose:

[mu8shark]

Read this little blurb from WFTV"Despite the fact that investigators could have found the remains four months ago, in better shape and prevented all the expense to taxpayers of the exhaustive search that's gone on, investigators said they feel very confident about the evidence they have and that it strengthens their case tremendously. " What does this mean , is something as simple as the body being identified or does it mean they found something truly big like fingerprints. I also noticed that Dr G said she wished she could talk about other forensic results but she did not want to bias the case. What could this be??? Again are fingerprints considered forensics ?

[mu8shark]

ROFL - the baby is really cute too. :rose: No wonder he resigned. He's too normal looking for that family. !!

[mu8shark]

Okay I see what my cousin was talking about the written blurb on the replayed NG says No evidence Caylee Marie ever left area near home, probably meaning they have found some kind of evidence that the body was dumped there and never was moved . I get it. Never mind, answered my own question lol.

[mu8shark]

One more thing and I am off to bed. For some reason Jose Baez reminds me of a dark haired Leprecaun. I don't know why, he looks short and just has that kind of attitude about him. :biggrin:

[NMurphy02]

makes me sick to my stomach. Everytime they show her first arrest, where she is wearing the stolen sweatshirt from Target, she's walking with a smile on her face like she is on a runway. This girl LOVES being the center of attention, which is what she is right now. Her first mugshot picture looks like a studio shot. Everytime she cries, I don't see tears, I see her digging her fingers into her eyes to make herself cry. When she was finally arrested for first degree murder, her hair had red highlights in it! Your daughter is missing and may be dead and you're doing your hair? Give me a freaking break. Someone on one of the shows said they listened to her tapes when she was in prison talking to her parents and she referred to herself 80 times and her daughter twice. She is so evil.

And as for Jose B, I don't care what is wife looks like, I still think he and Casey have more then a client/attorney relationship. He's just a little too concerned about her. Christy Brinkley is gorgeous and her pig husband still cheated on her.

[Blue Fairy]

I made an observation this morning while watching the news and I'd like to share it with you. Something has been bothering me when I see the clips of the liar and her parents in jail. The liar basically repeats what her mother says, sometimes word for word. I know a lot of you have taken this as coaching. I saw a clip on the news which is shown a lot - Caylee's birthday party cake. Caylee has cake on her hands and Cindy takes her hand and tries to smear it on the liar's face. Instead the liar takes Caylee's hand and smears the cake on the baby's face. That's when it dawned on me that the liar copies her mother. In quite a few instances you can see that whatever Cindy did, the liar would also do. So, if it's true that Cindy did grab her by the neck and tried to choke her, then that's what the liar did to poor little Caylee except Cindy didn't complete the act.

This is inspired. I believe you are correct.

[Blue Fairy]

YW!!!!!!!!!

Lawsy, Geraldo has Gale St. John on tonight. She has a video of the crimescene that she made 8/11/08 (same day as Kronk made the first call). She says there was a lot of water; kneehigh. She admits that she was trespassing, but she did try to get permission.

And helllllllllloooooooo Deputy Wussy, she is wearing shorts and is not carrying a firearm.

Link to video:

http://www.thebodyhunter.com/video-caylee.html

My bold and italic. Well that should answer any questions regarding whether or not there was water as TES et al have been saying. At least she could contribute something other than simply a side show-no offense to those who believe that some have gifts: I am not a fan of hers pure and simple.

[Its just me]

My bold and italic. Well that should answer any questions regarding whether or not there was water as TES et al have been saying. At least she could contribute something other than simply a side show-no offense to those who believe that some have gifts: I am not a fan of hers pure and simple.

LOL It would be interesting to know if she made a video of other places. Unless she was inspired from the Heavens I say she just got lucky. I do appreciate her being honest about the terrain which is a plus for the prosecution IMO.
Tim Miller stated he was allowed to view where the body was found and NG asked him how long he thought the body had been there...he said since June.
There is no telling what we will hear before this goes to trial and there is no telling what the defense will try to spin during the trial. I agree with Danagher...The trial is going to be interesting. Prayers for a jury filled with common sense. fep

[Blue Fairy]

I never heard of her before today. I strongly believe some people are able to interpret through some psychic window. From the video I did see them near the school and it was August. If she's just a camera hog and a nutcase, of course I won't give her any credit but it seems to me, so far that they hit on something early on.

If I've been duped, someone help me.
:shrug:

Of course another way to look at it was that Kiomarie pointed LE to that location early on which was well documented IIRC, and common sense would dictate that a place through the woods from the Anthony house to the school that Casey attended is a logical place to look. JMO.

I know a few who have hired GSJ to do readings for them-they left the readings no wiser and many hundreds of dollars poorer.

I have an intense skepticism regarding "psychics" who charge and who come out in droves during high profile cases. I do believe that there are people who use a bigger part of their brain then others and can "solve" things using influences that may appear to be magic to those who only use 10% of their brains....like myself lol.

Common sense would dictate that Casey was lazy in her disposal of her child-I mean you all just posted pictures of the book that might have been found with the body. RU Kidding me? The fact that she used to bury her pets in that area and used to hang out with the neighborhood kids there and was "rescued" from that general area by TonE certainly drew enough of an arrow that TES tried to search it more than one time, but rightly decided to let the water subside so that no evidence was destroyed by ATV's. That does not make Tim Miller psychic, lol...but he was just as accurate imo.

[POE-33]

Of course another way to look at it was that Kiomarie pointed LE to that location early on which was well documented IIRC, and common sense would dictate that a place through the woods from the Anthony house to the school that Casey attended is a logical place to look. JMO.

I know a few who have hired GSJ to do readings for them-they left the readings no wiser and many hundreds of dollars poorer.

I have an intense skepticism regarding "psychics" who charge and who come out in droves during high profile cases. I do believe that there are people who use a bigger part of their brain then others and can "solve" things using influences that may appear to be magic to those who only use 10% of their brains....like myself lol.

Common sense would dictate that Casey was lazy in her disposal of her child-I mean you all just posted pictures of the book that might have been found with the body. RU Kidding me? The fact that she used to bury her pets in that area and used to hang out with the neighborhood kids there and was "rescued" from that general area by TonE certainly drew enough of an arrow that TES tried to search it more than one time, but rightly decided to let the water subside so that no evidence was destroyed by ATV's. That does not make Tim Miller psychic, lol...but he was just as accurate imo.

I believe that all of us have some dormant psychic ability and that some have more highly developed psychic sensitivity than others.

However, I'm extremely skeptical of people who claim that they can turn it on or off at will, like turning on a radio. Also, I'm suspicious of anyone who charges money for a "Reading" or is selling a book. I think that 99% of those who claim to be psychics are either charlatans or kooks.

It wasn't psychic radar that led St.John to that vacant lot.
It was the obvious place to search. It was the closest vacant lot to the Anthony home. Duh !!!!

Wait, wait !!!
I just had a psychic vision.
I see St.John milking this for all it's worth.
:biggrin:

[deputydi]

Now this is where I think the prosecution is going to have one hell of a time. They just don't have a cause of death. They don't know if she was drowned, poisoned choked or whatever. As Geraldo said, maybe she choked on her gum.

A lawyer said on CNN said they dont have Murder 1 now because they can't prove the abuse aspect, ie if she chloroformed her and killed her in the process. He says Casey could walk unless they include a lesser offense, like manslaughter.:mad::flamemad:

If so, I'd be willing to get up a lynch mob. LOL

These talking heads don't know what they're talking about. No one was ever able to determine a cause of death for Laci but the jury had no problem sending Scott to death row.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I see what my cousin was talking about the written blurb on the replayed NG says No evidence Caylee Marie ever left area near home, probably meaning they have found some kind of evidence that the body was dumped there and never was moved . I get it. Never mind, answered my own question lol.

Oh, mu8 I fell asleep while I was searching for the NG segment, and when I woke up Law & Order was over and WWE was on. It was awful; men who work, wearing short tight pants grappling on the floor in homoerotic postures. Just awful, I tell you! :hat:

hi guys, burning the midnight oil here, my little one has the flu so we've been having a grand old time with my trusty thermoscan every hour for the past day in a half...

Watched Geraldo a little while ago, as you guys were discussing. Never took him too seriously since the got the s**t beat out out of by those skinheads way back, and then there was Al Capone's vault..(not)...What is it with him and Casey's case? I don't know how this comment by him will affect the case, but to say: "Jose, I don't know how you are going to find an impartial jury with this case, your client is one of the most disliked accused ever..people want to slit her throat and do all kinds of things to her." etc. etc.
MOO ~
He's helping Baez big time by saying that, broadcasting that thought, to millions of people ~ watch Jose use that one when trial time comes around.

Also putting Gail St. John from Bodyhunters on, saying her 'feelings took her' to that spot, but the overgrowth, trees and knee deep water (plus private property) kept her from going in further, in that exact spot.

Really Gail, Ms Psychic detective..if you KNOW what you feel, and you KNEW Caylee's body was there, why didn't you make it your damn business to get in that area, come Hell OR High Water and get/find Caylee? You are full of S***.

My opinons on this case are based on what she did~ her actions, the evidence, not the media of NG and Geraldo hype. When I went on Caylee's My Space and helpfindcaylee I was shocked that the people who are supporting Casey are seemingly supporting the 'underdog' because of how they feel the media has portrayed 'poor Casey'. I hope to god these naive, misguided people aren't on the jury pool, because they will let this murderer off easy.

Is Baden right? Did a forensic dentic initially look at the tooth/theeth found and know from that ,that it was Caylee? Baden stated that is the 1st person that is called. true, a forensic dentist was not mentioned...or was he?

Old soul, I hope your little one is well on the road to recovery!

I do believe that people have psychic abilities, and some are more attuned than others. I won't bore you with my own except to say that they come in the form of dreams rather than "feelings". What I find most interesting is that GSJ went to that area the day that the meter reader reported the bag. For all we know, she was listening to her police scanner, heard the call, and decided to figure out a way to cash in at a later date. My skepticism toward her in particular is due to the reports that she took advantage of someone (I forget who) and misused the credit card that she had been authorized to use for specific expenses. Bad karma in my book.

I did see M Baden very early on after Caylee was discovered (maybe that very first night) say that a forensic dentist could look at photographs of Caylee and identify the skull using measurements made using those photographs. Wouldn't surprise me if he did just that (himself).

[lorettalockhorn]

These talking heads don't know what they're talking about. No one was ever able to determine a cause of death for Laci but the jury had no problem sending Scott to death row.

I'm with you, and have every confidence in the prosecution. There have been enough convictions without a body to shore up my faith in The State. The jury will undoubtedly look at the facts, the circumstances AND be affected by Casey's demeanor.

As for the rest of the story, Casey should have told it long before this went so far.

[Gatordog]

I suppose that's possible but if that's true, why didn't she put gas in her car.

I thought maybe she was waiting for that military guy to send her the money to come. However you may be right about Tony.

Why did she buy tons of groceries or bras?? Who knows with that nutcase. Perhaps she planned on ditching the car anyway so why spend money on gasoline? And was the car actually out of gas?

[beachbum]

JMO but I think Casey's partying pictures will be as detrimental as Scott Peterson's telephone calls to Amber. Casey definitely wasnt lookiing for Caylee at a bar. Never mentioned to her friends she was missing. Isnt it amazing how similar these two are?

[Gatordog]

Thank you for sharing your viewpoint! :)

I am still on the fence but have just not been able to give her the full benefit of the doubt yet. I have mixed feelings still.

I appreciate your local input very much.


I am happy to be able to talk about it with people who care. My family thinks I'm a nut for being obsessed with news.

As for Cindy, we'll see how she reacts from here forward. If she's smart, she will thank everyone for their support and help in finding Caylee and leave it at that.

[wind149]

I missed NG on Friday because I just spent the evening crying and when I saw it last night about the snake and the deputy, I was like HUH? A man who carries a side iron was afraid of a snake, something he could easily dispatch with said side iron, what a putz!! Had he done his job, I mean come on, during the searches conducted by TM and other volunteers who crawled on their hands and knees. surely they encountered snakes, the divers met up with gators and this wuss bucket was too afraid to kill a snake??? His head is gonna roll. By his actions or lack there of, the Sheriff is sitting with egg on his face, reporters were asking him why was the bag not investigated in August and while he did not dodge that question he did state that a seperate investigation will be conducted over that. Baez, what a tool! I saw him briefly on Geraldo last night and boy he is sticking by C and can you just guess the defense he is gonna spin? Dr. Michael Baden was on and he said that he agrees that it is a homicide case and that even though the body is done to bones, chlorofrom could still be present in her hair and he is reserving comment until all the tox screens are back, and this what sets him apart from those two morons Lee and Koby. He is not jumping to conclusions like they already running their spin that without a COD that it can't be a 1st degree murder case. Yes it can!!! The justice system have convicted people without a body and now they have one here. So this trial is gonna be a circus no doubt, probably be another OJ media frenzy type of trial. As for C&G they can rot in hell too IMO! They have known right along that child is dead and like I said before those alledged sightings were all a smokescreen to try to take the focus off CA and nothing more. As for them staying out of the limelight. they won't for long, they love that camera and as soon as they figure they can appear again they will be spinning more bull**** about that selfidh murdering scumbag of a daughter!!!!

[deputydi]

JMO but I think Casey's partying pictures will be as detrimental as Scott Peterson's telephone calls to Amber. Casey definitely wasnt lookiing for Caylee at a bar. Never mentioned to her friends she was missing. Isnt it amazing how similar these two are?
The similarity has struck me from the beginning. I hope this one has the same ending.

[tv]

JMO but I think Casey's partying pictures will be as detrimental as Scott Peterson's telephone calls to Amber. Casey definitely wasnt lookiing for Caylee at a bar. Never mentioned to her friends she was missing. Isnt it amazing how similar these two are?

I agree, beachbum, the similarities between these two is startling. Let's just thank God they never met! :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

:eek: You mean it doesn't get better!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, we can both be Monks...no talking is necessary...just gives us a computer and we're set. We can type, and make cheese or candles or whatever Monks do! LOL

Here y'all are in your dotage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBnhR71HU9c

And hard at work:

http://i39.tinypic.com/29xcdqw.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta, I needed that!

I flove the expressions on the cheese monks faces!

Okay, this is OT too, but just saw it posted on another board:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrdxtWgHbE

[Spider]

Wow. Being in WV this past weekend has left me feeling so out of the loop! I felt guilty each time I would try and sneak away to get updates on the case on MIL's computer. No one there has been following the case really either.

I just would like to know what, if anything, is going through Liar's mind right now. How can she even eat? If I am upset over the least little thing I can't eat a bite of food and here she sits after the announcement that her little girl that she murdered has been found, ordering snack food in jail on strangers money.

Any more statments from Baez I may have missed? Is he still spouting that we just don't know the whole story still? I for one can't wait to know what kind of further evidence they have pulled from the home and just how Baez plans on defending her. I do not think she will EVER confess though. I think there will be more lies and tall tells including blackmail and espionage next.

[Woostock]

I agree that Casey will never admit what she did.....She lies so much the truth is a foreign language for her.....

[browneyes106]

JMO but I think Casey's partying pictures will be as detrimental as Scott Peterson's telephone calls to Amber. Casey definitely wasnt lookiing for Caylee at a bar. Never mentioned to her friends she was missing. Isnt it amazing how similar these two are?

Totally agree with you. Scott was calling Amber and pretending to be in Paris. Also Scott's half sister Anne Bird said in her book that Scott was out golfing, cleaning his pool and going to movies the whole time before Laci and Connor were found.

[browneyes106]

I know how you feel gator. Strangely though, last night the guests at my house Christmas party were all aware of this case and discussed it for a bit. I even gave my cousin the link to this Haterade fountain here and she is not one to get into these things. (But she's mad as hell) This case is affecting just about everyone. Children tug at at the coldest hearts.

As for getting a thank you from Cindy Anthony? It will take years for that to happen. IMO What she is going through right now doesn't even fit into the definition of grief. It has to be much worse. Something we can't imagine. Though we all know people have killed children, this case is so riddled with issues between Cindy and Casey that the child's death was only a product of it. The resulting grief must be so multi faceted that Cindy must be out of range with any normal feelings. I don't expect her to have epiphanies any time soon about her part in it, or give gratitude to those who worked to find Caylee. She didn't want to believe Caylee was dead in the first place. So she might even be angry with the people who were looking for her. On this level she isn't able to say thank you for anything. IMOO

I believe she is unable to stand up and walk right now, but if and when she finds her strength, I expect her to seeth with hatred for Casey. She'll probably die of it because she has to look at the truth and that is: She was part of the cause. She is shipwrecked to the umph degree.

And I expect her to be called as a witness and the prosocuter to take her apart from head to toe in search of motive. One question might be, "Did you control Casey's life and want control of Caylee and didn't she want to spite you for it?" The devil will flip a few burgers in that court room while he laughs out loud.

I agree Cindy will never show any gratitude for the people who helped search for Caylee. Cindy was never grateful to LP for bonding Casey out. I feel that if Casey is convicted she or the Anthonys should pay some kind of reparation to LE and Texas EqquSearch.

[Twinners]

Caylee Updates: Saturday, December 20, 2008

Dear friends and the media:

The Caylee Marie Anthony websites are being redesigned and updated; we encourage you to continue to visit them. New domains may be established at a later date.

www.helpfindcaylee.com
www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

Florida Mall Photo: In the meantime I am requesting that if you were kind enough to market the recent photo from the Florida Mall back on November 16th through your websites and Myspace default photos that you discard that photo and any information associated with it. Despite our efforts in trying to locate who we thought was Caylee Marie at the time, the recent developments prove otherwise. The child in this photo, even though no one had come forward, is obviously not that of Caylee Marie.

When this sighting had come in along with many others, I took the situation seriously prior to releasing it to the public. As a public relations specialist for over twenty years, I chose to distribute the photo on the basis that the evidence, witness statement, and family’s belief this child was Caylee, our decision to release it would help bring her home. I have no regrets in releasing the photo and I apologize in advance if in the future someone does come forward, Caylee Marie took my breath away and any choices we made as a team in order to help bring her home were made with all good intentions.

Again, we ask that you please remove the photo from your source of communications’ efforts and thank each of you for lending a helping hand in the search for Caylee Marie.

Myspace Friends: if in the past you submitted a comment or message request, anything prior to December 19th will be erased. I have over 3500 messages to read and anything prior to yesterday is appreciated but most likely won’t be relevant today. I encourage you please send a “comment” request of holiday nature or sympathy to the family and if positive in nature, your request will be posted. Any negative comments or any giving opinions on Caylee’s mom will also be deleted. This is and has always been Caylee’s site and we ask you to please respect that if she was the one managing it.

Services
At this time no arrangements have been made, as soon as they have we will post on www.helpfindcaylee.com.

The family requests that you give them time; any media requests please direct them to their attorney Brad Conway.

Thank you for your continued support, the entire nation has lost an Angel this week.

Michelle A. Bart, Helping Heroes

I find it very hard to believe such a disjointed, confusing, poorly-edited press release was written by a PR specialist of 20 years. IMO, it's crap, in form and in content.

Re: the last two lines I bolded, I'm immensely offended by them on Caylee's behalf. Whether she killed her or not, through the telling of all her untruths, Casey has done nothing but betray Caylee's love and trust since the day she went missing in June. For that reason, if no other, I feel it's a huge sign of disrespect to Caylee to continue to behave as though Casey is still a mother worthy of her love. That seems to be exactly what they're doing. It really ticks me off.

[Spider]

Now see.....I am just finding out that the Meter Reader's last name is not Gonzales. There goes that defense. Sorry for being so behind guys. I have missed you all terribly this weekend.

[browneyes106]

Don't worry about Spider I spent a lot of time watching football yesterday and today and I'm behind on some stuff too.

[lorettalockhorn]

I find it very hard to believe such a disjointed, confusing, poorly-edited press release was written by a PR specialist of 20 years. IMO, it's crap, in form and in content.

Re: the last two lines I bolded, I'm immensely offended by them on Caylee's behalf. Whether she killed her or not, through the telling of all her untruths, Casey has done nothing but betray Caylee's love and trust since the day she went missing in June. For that reason, if no other, I feel it's a huge sign of disrespect to Caylee to continue to behave as though Casey is still a mother worthy of her love. That seems to be exactly what they're doing. It really ticks me off.

Michelle Bart is a hack. I didn't watch the Dr. Phil program, but I did read some of the responses on his site, and one of them led me to believe that MB had actually made a statement about Adam Walsh having coming home after all these years. WTH?? Is that true? Anyone?

Spider, you know we miss folks when they're gone for too long! :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Question: Did anyone see Michael Baden in a soundbite (on Geraldo yesterday maybe?) saying that the father's identity is important if he may be involved in Caylee's death? Well, that sure has me wondering about the fact that LE waited for the results of the nuclear DNA testing here, rather than simply comparing the DNA of the found body with the hair that was found in the trunk and linked through mitochondrial DNA to Casey and Cindy. Not that I ever believed that any of those four or five named living or dead men were Caylee's father, or that it particularly mattered, but now I am really curious as to how this matters*. Of course, they were being thorough and would have done that testing at some point, but it seems that the identification could have been made sooner without the nuclear DNA testing.

*disclaimer: I'm a self-admitted idiot when it comes to DNA.

[Twinners]

Michelle Bart is a hack. I didn't watch the Dr. Phil program, but I did read some of the responses on his site, and one of them led me to believe that MB had actually made a statement about Adam Walsh having coming home after all these years. WTH?? Is that true? Anyone?

Spider, you know we miss folks when they're gone for too long! :seeya:
No, Adam did not come home. His family finally had some closure last week though when his case was finally solved. I assume that is what MB was referring to when she made that comment, but with her, it's hard to tell!

[lorettalockhorn]

No, Adam did not come home. His family finally had some closure last week though when his case was finally solved. I assume that is what MB was referring to when she made that comment, but with her, it's hard to tell!

I know Adam didn't come home. Not alive. That's why I am wondering if anyone heard exactly what she said. I read some critical posts about her statement re: Adam.

[browneyes106]

Question: Did anyone see Michael Baden in a soundbite (on Geraldo yesterday maybe?) saying that the father's identity is important if he may be involved in Caylee's death? Well, that sure has me wondering about the fact that LE waited for the results of the nuclear DNA testing here, rather than simply comparing the DNA of the found body with the hair that was found in the trunk and linked through mitochondrial DNA to Casey and Cindy. Not that I ever believed that any of those four or five named living or dead men were Caylee's father, or that it particularly mattered, but now I am really curious as to how this matters*. Of course, they were being thorough and would have done that testing at some point, but it seems that the identification could have been made sooner without the nuclear DNA testing.

*disclaimer: I'm a self-admitted idiot when it comes to DNA.

I remember reading somewhere that LE was looking into Jesus Ortiz's post mortem blood sample to possibly do testing. I agree I doubt Caylee's paternity will ever be found out.

[Blue Fairy]

Question: Did anyone see Michael Baden in a soundbite (on Geraldo yesterday maybe?) saying that the father's identity is important if he may be involved in Caylee's death? Well, that sure has me wondering about the fact that LE waited for the results of the nuclear DNA testing here, rather than simply comparing the DNA of the found body with the hair that was found in the trunk and linked through mitochondrial DNA to Casey and Cindy. Not that I ever believed that any of those four or five named living or dead men were Caylee's father, or that it particularly mattered, but now I am really curious as to how this matters*. Of course, they were being thorough and would have done that testing at some point, but it seems that the identification could have been made sooner without the nuclear DNA testing.

*disclaimer: I'm a self-admitted idiot when it comes to DNA.

I see-the next defense will be it was not Zanny the Nanny, but Manny the Nanny-she was leaving Caylee with her birth father who then kidnapped and killed her to frame Casey rather than having to pay child support...:shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

I remember reading somewhere that LE was looking into Jesus Ortiz's post mortem blood sample to possibly do testing. I agree I doubt Caylee's paternity will ever be found out.

I wonder if LE has a new lead on who Caylee's father is and that's why they waited until the nuclear DNA testing was done to identify her. NOT that they wouldn't have done it at some point anyway, but couldn't they have simply compared the hair in the trunk or the hair on the correct hairbrush to the DNA from the little skeleton in the woods? (And maybe they did, and just didn't say so.) But Dr. G specified nuclear DNA.

Also, it has occurred to me that Caylee said that Zanny had a wardrobe for Caylee; if the clothes that were found in the woods are clothes that came from the Anthony home won't that be more damning than ever? The Zanny wardrobe would include clothes that would be unrecognizable to the Ants. (I know, I know. Zanny stole Caylee's clothes when she used the key to the house. The key to the locks that went unchanged. The clothes that were never reported missing or stolen. Along with whatever the baby was wrapped in that was never reported missing or stolen.)

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm waiting for answers like all of you here. The writing in the wall can't change as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure there will be no great revelation regarding this defense of Casey Anthony but it sure will be one he!! of a horse and pony show, I'm sure.

I'll be back later at Hagnog-thirty to join you for a nightcap.

LOVE it. We say dark thirty around here. Ex: "I'll be back at dark:30."

I'm ahead of you. I had a drink at hate:30. (But just one.) :hat:

[Spider]

I do not see how the importance of Caylee's father comes into play here. That would have to be a move by the defense to somehow blame someone other that Liar. She slept around so much and accused both her father and brother of molesting her next we will here that Caylee was an immaculate birth if Liar has any say so at this point. With Liar's lifestyle the father could have been a quikie in a bathroom stall at a strip joint for all it matters.

What matters is that a beautiful, trusting, loving child was murdered. Period. By her OWN selfish uncaring 'mother'.

Gee gollyned.....could you all imagine the child that Liar and Scott Peterson would have produced?? I shudder to think. Now THAT might be the 666 beast in revelations!! So sorry. I am getting way out there and off topic. Been drinking a bit tonight.

[beachbum]

Totally agree with you. Scott was calling Amber and pretending to be in Paris. Also Scott's half sister Anne Bird said in her book that Scott was out golfing, cleaning his pool and going to movies the whole time before Laci and Connor were found.


Yeah and she told about him hitting on her babysitter just a few days after Laci was missing. What a low life. So the pictures show Casey partying
either the day of or the night of Caylee dying..........what a sleeze.

My family gives me a hard time about watching all these cases but I did work for two attys previously and its just
intriguing how these people pull these stunts and think they arent going to get caught. Me and my husband
are now experiencing "the empty nest syndrome" so its a whole new world again without children.

[lorettalockhorn]

I do not see how the importance of Caylee's father comes into play here. That would have to be a move by the defense to somehow blame someone other that Liar. She slept around so much and accused both her father and brother of molesting her next we will here that Caylee was an immaculate birth if Liar has any say so at this point. With Liar's lifestyle the father could have been a quikie in a bathroom stall at a strip joint for all it matters.

What matters is that a beautiful, trusting, loving child was murdered. Period. By her OWN selfish uncaring 'mother'.

Gee gollyned.....could you all imagine the child that Liar and Scott Peterson would have produced?? I shudder to think. Now THAT might be the 666 beast in revelations!! So sorry. I am getting way out there and off topic. Been drinking a bit tonight.

I haven't thought much about Caylee's father either until her body was identified. But I can see that the identity could go to motive, and if there is at all the possibility of an accomplice, the father could be suspect and if there was any compliance, he should not go unpunished.

He also has a right to know. But that's a whole nuther animal.

[Justice Denied?]

Yes, I believe your correct. Wasn't it on Fox and the reporter was Trudell - I noticed that part of the video was snipped -

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8115577&version=1&locale=EN-US

Thank each of you for the info. I am just so curious about why investigators keep going back to the house. I wonder if they found something that incriminates George or Cindy.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah and she told about him hitting on her babysitter just a few days after Laci was missing. What a low life. So the pictures show Casey partying
either the day of or the night of Caylee dying..........what a sleeze.

My family gives me a hard time about watching all these cases but I did work for two attys previously and its just
intriguing how these people pull these stunts and think they arent going to get caught. Me and my husband
are now experiencing "the empty nest syndrome" so its a whole new world again without children.

Those pictures of Casey partying with Caylee likely in her trunk are exactly what made me want to gag when Baez spoke about her "private moments" after learning of the positive identification. I swear, it's amazing how that man talks with one or both feet in his mouth.

[Justice Denied?]

I completely agree and I also am struck by the way defense attorneys say 'Well the defense does not have to prove anything." Well yes and no. Yes technically they don't have to prove anything but in this case, they are going to have to show a jury, there is a nanny, here is her name, her is her apartment or house, her is the proof she did take care of Caylee and here is the motive, means and opportunity for this woman to kill her and not Casey. They can't just go in there and say, Well maybe the search went wrong, maybe the cadaver dogs missed this or that, maybe LE did not do all the forensic tests right, now acquit this woman who waited 30 days to report her, who probably would not have done so if her mother had not made her, who partied like crazy, who was too busy stealing to look for her , who looked up neck breaking, death by inhalation, how to make chloroform, who had the smell of death in the car SHE DROVE,, who had a trunk in the car SHE DROVE saturated with chloroform and God willing whose fingerprints are on the bag or duct tape. Forget all that and put LE on trial because a deputy was lazy or too scared of a snake to look at the bag. It is not going to work. End of my rant and closing statement!

good job! we find the defendant guilty as charged.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank each of you for the info. I am just so curious about why investigators keep going back to the house. I wonder if they found something that incriminates George or Cindy.

Curious doesn't begin to describe it for me! Don't you think it's got to be something unusual? I do wonder if they specifically asked to see Caylee's favorite book and if the Anthonys were able to produce it.

[beachbum]

Those pictures of Casey partying with Caylee likely in her trunk are exactly what made me want to gag when Baez spoke about her "private moments" after learning of the positive identification. I swear, it's amazing how that man talks with one or both feet in his mouth.


Wonder what Baez record is? He certainly cant say anything good about his client, cause she is the scum of the earth and he knows it. jmo

[browneyes106]

Yeah and she told about him hitting on her babysitter just a few days after Laci was missing. What a low life. So the pictures show Casey partying
either the day of or the night of Caylee dying..........what a sleeze.

My family gives me a hard time about watching all these cases but I did work for two attys previously and its just
intriguing how these people pull these stunts and think they arent going to get caught. Me and my husband
are now experiencing "the empty nest syndrome" so its a whole new world again without children.

I forgot about the babysitter incident. I only read Anne's book once. I'm intrigued by these cases too I'm planning to go law school after finishing my bachelor's at some I point I would to like some kind of legal analysis work.

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL! I have my hagnog here. My first. :-) While we're waiting for more news on the liar's defense and before I get the evil wolf out of the carriage house, I'm going to go totally off topic here and give you the recipe for Christmas cake. Enjoy!

Easy Bake Christmas Cake

Ingredients:

* 2 cups flour
* 1 stick butter
* 1 cup of water
* 1 tsp baking soda
* 1 cup of sugar
* 1 tsp salt
* 1 cup of brown sugar
* Lemon juice
* 4 large eggs
* Nuts
* 1 bottle hagnog
* 2 cups of dried fruit

Sample the wine to check quality.
Take a large bowl, check the hagnog again.
To be sure it is of the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink.
Repeat.

Turn on the electric mixer.
Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl.
Add one teaspoon of sugar. Beat again.

At this point it's best to make sure the hagnog is still OK.
Try another cup... Just in case.
Turn off the mixerer thingy.
Break 2 eggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit.

Pick the frigging fruit up off floor.
Mix on the turner..
If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers just pry it loose with a drewscriver.
Sample the hagnog to check for tonsisticity.
Next, sift two cups of salt. Or something.
Check the hagnog.

Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts.
Add one table.
Add a spoon of sugar, or some fink.
Whatever you can find.
Greash the oven.
Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over.

Don't forget to beat off the turner.
Finally, throw the bowl through the window.
Finish the hagnog and wipe counter with the cat.

Bingle Jells!

You naughty thing you! LMAOOOOOOO That's one of my favorite things to read this time of year!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Do we have these photos yet?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery?index=orl-caylee720081220162357

[browneyes106]

Do we have these photos yet?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-search-warrant-122008,0,5699403.photogallery?index=orl-caylee720081220162357

I think I have seen the first pic before.

[Spider]

Danagher....

Will U smeary me? I luv U.

Making ur Hognag cake now............oops. Sorry kitty.

[browneyes106]

Cindy aged 20 years.

I agree she will look older and older over the next few months.

[lorettalockhorn]

Spider, no worries. I'm the queen of off topics and haven't been banned yet.
I feel angry too. The jury will convict, it's my guess unless her defense team pulls a rabbit out of their livers. I don't see that happening. The car will be the lynch pin.
In my hagnog opinion

HAHA Rabbit out of their livers.

Anyway, so speaking of the defense. How will Baez put on the Zanny defense without putting Casey on the stand? No one except Casey has ever seen her or who can describe her or give any details about her or her life.

Need more hagnog so I can think outside the box.

[mu8shark]

I see-the next defense will be it was not Zanny the Nanny, but Manny the Nanny-she was leaving Caylee with her birth father who then kidnapped and killed her to frame Casey rather than having to pay child support...:shrug:If she tries this she better point to a real person this time and not some phantom guy with a fake name, no address or phone number. I just heard on Geraldo a little sound bite that shoddy police work could end the case before it begins. How absurd. I hate how lame his show is , he still goes for the sensational angle and I do not consider his show a real true crime show. He is making way too much of this without even seeing the evidence they have collected. Also why are they criticizing police for going back for a sixth time to seach Anthony house? They keep suggesting they missed evidence. You know what he has no idea what they found at that crime scene that tipped them off to possible new evidence at the crime scene? I am going to boycott his stupid ass show because he is so tabloidy. Now we have Mercedes on there who knows nothing about this case, she just said the meter reader never called the police and knew all about the remains and had to be corrected. She also said there were legitimate sightings of Caylee while Casey was in jail. Way to go Geraldo, have a bunch of lame ass people on there who are ill informed. I like to have something to watch on the weekends about this case, but I'm done. with that show :flamemad:

[mu8shark]

HAHA Rabbit out of their livers.

Anyway, so speaking of the defense. How will Baez put on the Zanny defense without putting Casey on the stand? No one except Casey has ever seen her or who can describe her or give any details about her or her life.

Need more hagnog so I can think outside the box.Loretta I have been saying this for a while. How in the world will he tell her new story or the story we don't know without her telling it. He can't get up and just say, Casey told me this, and this and then this happened and we offer no testimony, he will look like a douche bag. And juries don't like those kind of douche bags giving opening statements. And if he tries to pin it on someone else, he better have some foundation for that. I can't imagine any lawyer worth his salt would let the liar testify, who knows she might just invent a brand new story on the stand? But he better be careful what he offers up with zero evidence.

[mu8shark]

More planned confusion. The clothes can be talked about at trial for ten days.
1. Zanny got to the house and took them.
2. Liar gave Zanny clothes.
3. Liar had the suitcase full of clothes from the house and dressed Caylee the last day they were together.
4. Cindy swears to liar's lies. She had the sheets with her, and on and on.
5. Zanny had a wardrobe of clothes but, but, that day liar happened to dress Caylee.

Wait a minute; did Casey take anything with her the day liar ran off with Caylee or did she leave in a hurry with the clothes on her back? Another question; Did she leave the day she and Cindy got into the choking match or what? Which? If


If Cindy lies under oath to protect liar, I'll spit. If I were the defense with all the lies and subterfuge Cindy has put up, I would not call her if I could avoid it. I would tell my story through Lee or George. Cindy can't get up there and back her lies too much because in Cindys interview she actually said, she does not think the nanny has existed for a full year. So she can't ride that horse and personally if they are asking for immunity, Cindy and George are showing signs of not wanting to go down with 'precious'. I think they are getting scared. I also thought they maybe had not necessarily done anything they really needed immunity for and the new guy was just being cautious, but I am beginning to change my mind about that.

[mu8shark]

That other animal may be found in the family. I imagine that the family secrets will be found out at trial and much to Cindy's dismay. I doubt she will sit through it. And yet, the father, if he had motive had to be driving the car with dead Caylee in it. If he was, then liar was covering for him which would get her some heavy time in the can. I see nothing to point to anyone else killing Caylee and Casey just going along with it hiding the body or covering, She did it herself. , She was too busy with Tony to be running all over town with some phantom father. I think LE is going to try and id the father just to be thorough and to rule him out, after all how would it look if they did not at least try? The defense would make hay of it. I think the father is a red herring and I also think Casey is clueless about who he really is. I may be wrong.

[ladybugg1]

Number one I have serious problem with this case because of the following:



The mother does not report her child missing for 31 days?



The mother abandons a stinky fly infested car at a parking lot.
She lies to people about squirrels causing the stink when the smell begins to waif the air.
The mother does not stay in touch with her mother as far as letting Caylee speak to her for a whole month.She makes up excuses as to where she is in this time period.
The mother parties instead of looking for her child.
The mother gets arrested and is smiling and acting like a movie star not a woman who has just been arrested for stealing and being on video for stealing from family & friends.

This woman ....
Does not go on national tv to beg for her daughter's return.
:shrug:
SHe swears at the fami8ly who want to find Caylee and to show love and support for her.She employes a lawyer who now will not let her talk to family or friends or anyone.
THe missing girl's family goes on national tv shows asking for her return ,They however do not find it odd that their daughter is laughing and partying instead of reporting the girl missing?:shrug:

Many actions this Casey has done are non urgent.She was not looking for her daughter she already knew she was 1,200 feet down the street hidden deep into the woods in her own neighborhood.

:flamemad::(:chicken:
I find all of this disturbing and very telling....

[browneyes106]

I wonder how the defense will explain why Casey having a nanny and when there is evidence she never attended community college or had a job.

[ladybugg1]

I wonder if LE has a new lead on who Caylee's father is and that's why they waited until the nuclear DNA testing was done to identify her. NOT that they wouldn't have done it at some point anyway, but couldn't they have simply compared the hair in the trunk or the hair on the correct hairbrush to the DNA from the little skeleton in the woods? (And maybe they did, and just didn't say so.) But Dr. G specified nuclear DNA.

Also, it has occurred to me that Caylee said that Zanny had a wardrobe for Caylee; if the clothes that were found in the woods are clothes that came from the Anthony home won't that be more damning than ever? The Zanny wardrobe would include clothes that would be unrecognizable to the Ants. (I know, I know. Zanny stole Caylee's clothes when she used the key to the house. The key to the locks that went unchanged. The clothes that were never reported missing or stolen. Along with whatever the baby was wrapped in that was never reported missing or stolen.)


:confused:

I doubt the father will be known to anyone and I doubt KC even knows who the father is another reason she hated Caylee enough to kill her alledgedly.

[ladybugg1]

I wonder how the defense will explain why Casey had a nanny when they are evidence she wasn't employed.


Without a job why in the world would she need a babysitter or nanny anyway?:confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

If I were the defense with all the lies and subterfuge Cindy has put up, I would not call her if I could avoid it. I would tell my story through Lee or George. Cindy can't get up there and back her lies too much because in Cindys interview she actually said, she does not think the nanny has existed for a full year. So she can't ride that horse and personally if they are asking for immunity, Cindy and George are showing signs of not wanting to go down with 'precious'. I think they are getting scared. I also thought they maybe had not necessarily done anything they really needed immunity for and the new guy was just being cautious, but I am beginning to change my mind about that.

Well, the defense can avoid calling Cindy, but she's on the prosecution's witness list and you KNOW that they will call her. How they handle her is the question; they can't exactly beat up a bereaved grandmother on the stand. I'm thinking that the request for immunity, how soon it is discussed and how The State deals with her testimony depends on what evidence was taken from their house recently. Something found at the site of Caylee's body linked back to the Anthonys.

BTW, Good morning CL! :seeya:

[browneyes106]

Without a job why in the world would she need a babysitter or nanny anyway?:confused:

Maybe they will come out and say that Casey did under the table jobs and she paid the nanny in cash.

[joekuhl79]

HAHA Rabbit out of their livers.

Anyway, so speaking of the defense. How will Baez put on the Zanny defense without putting Casey on the stand? No one except Casey has ever seen her or who can describe her or give any details about her or her life.

Need more hagnog so I can think outside the box.



I can't see HOW BS can put Liar on the stand....the prosecutor will completely tear her apart and she'll be found guilty for sure. Her only chance (SLIGHT chance) is to NOT testify, which will also put the last nail in her coffin!

But wouldn't she have to testify for BS to show us the "other half of the story" and make us "understand"?

What a hackassloser!

[lorettalockhorn]

...Meanwhile, Conway said clothing and shoes were among the items seized from the Anthony home on Saturday. No other specifics about the search have been released.

Also, a deposition involving George and Cindy Anthony scheduled for Monday in relation to a lawsuit filed by Zenaida Gonzalez, a woman who shares the name with the baby sitter whom Casey Anthony claims she left Caylee with before she disappeared, has been canceled out of respect for the grandparents.

It's not known when the deposition will take place...

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18331389/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I can't see HOW BS can put Liar on the stand....the prosecutor will completely tear her apart and she'll be found guilty for sure. Her only chance (SLIGHT chance) is to NOT testify, which will also put the last nail in her coffin!

But wouldn't she have to testify for BS to show us the "other half of the story" and make us "understand"?

What a hackassloser!

Yeah, I don't get it. Who is this mystery person who can testify to first hand knowledge of this crime and the nanny and the "mis-truths" if not Casey?

[lorettalockhorn]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the Ants are donating toys left on private property that they don't own? I suppose that means that the property owner has given ownership of the memorial to them. (Not complaining about the donation; it seems better than the toys laying on the ground and composting.)

[browneyes106]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the Ants are donating toys left on private property that they don't own? I suppose that means that the property owner has given ownership of the memorial to them. (Not complaining about the donation; it seems better than the toys laying on the ground and composting.)

I sort of find it interesting. But I think people who left the toys they really wanted them to be for Caylee and not other children. I do think it is good the toys will be give to the organization but organization could reject them for different reasons. Many organizations like that only accept new toys with proof the toys are new and this organization could feel weird and keep other kids from having the toys.

[lorettalockhorn]

It sounds like the toys have been accepted according to this article posted in the news update thread:

The Anthonys decided to donate all of the toys and stuffed animals to the Orlando Rescue Mission, so about 90 children will get gifts from Caylee for Christmas.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18333246/detail.html

I just find it interesting/odd/wonky that the Anthonys made this decision; the toys don't belong to them since they are on someone else's property.

[POE-33]

It sounds like the toys have been accepted according to this article posted in the news update thread:

The Anthonys decided to donate all of the toys and stuffed animals to the Orlando Rescue Mission, so about 90 children will get gifts from Caylee for Christmas.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18333246/detail.html

I just find it interesting/odd/wonky that the Anthonys made this decision; the toys don't belong to them since they are on someone else's property.


Ya think maybe donating the toys to the Rescue Mission was suggested by their lawyer as a way to improve their public image?
Hmmmmm??????
:D

[lorettalockhorn]

Ya think maybe donating the toys to the Rescue Mission was suggested by their lawyer as a way to improve their public image?
Hmmmmm??????
:D

Well, it sure beats the hell out of them throwing them away like they did before, or Lee having a hissy fit and destroying a memorial.

[POE-33]

Well, it sure beats the hell out of them throwing them away like they did before, or Lee having a hissy fit and destroying a memorial.

I agree.
I'm glad that some little child will get a toy.
However, I'm suspicious of everything the Anthonys do or say.
I hope that LE charges them with obstructing a criminal investigation.

BTW, Is it just me or does anybody else think that Geraldo seemed to be hysterical over the meter reader connection?
:seeya:

[applesandorange]

I've been thinking about why C&G haven't visited liar in jail. I think it's because liar knew they would find out the truth and she figured once they did they would want nothing to do with her. Instead of letting them be in control of when they would stop talking to her she stopped all communication so SHE could be in control. She didn't want her parents thinking they were punishing her by stopping visitation with her so she stopped before they did. I don't think Baez is the one who stopped it. I think it was liar. Yes the family would spin it to make it seem like liar wanted all focus on Caylee but in reality it is just another of liars sick games. JMO. I'm writing this from my cell phone so if it looks whacky that's why. I've never posted like this before I don't think so we'll see how it turns out.

[Amy]

I agree.
I'm glad that some little child will get a toy.
However, I'm suspicious of everything the Anthonys do or say.
I hope that LE charges them with obstructing a criminal investigation.

BTW, Is it just me or does anybody else think that Geraldo seemed to be hysterical over the meter reader connection?
:seeya:

It doesn't take much to get Geraldo hysterical about anything, IMO. He was hysterical about the defense not getting first dibbs on the crime scene, altho he should have enough sense to know the scene has to be investigated FIRST.

[eatcupcakes]

Well, the defense can avoid calling Cindy, but she's on the prosecution's witness list and you KNOW that they will call her. How they handle her is the question; they can't exactly beat up a bereaved grandmother on the stand. I'm thinking that the request for immunity, how soon it is discussed and how The State deals with her testimony depends on what evidence was taken from their house recently. Something found at the site of Caylee's body linked back to the Anthonys.

BTW, Good morning CL! :seeya:

all they need to do is play the tape of her call to 911 and that says it all, "smells like a dead body in my daughters dam car". However, I do feel sorry for Cindy and George as grandparents who loved this little girl they must be taking this very hard. They need prayers not jeers.

[lorettalockhorn]

all they need to do is play the tape of her call to 911 and that says it all, "smells like a dead body in my daughters dam car". However, I do feel sorry for Cindy and George as grandparents who loved this little girl they must be taking this very hard. They need prayers not jeers.

Cindy is on The State's witness list, and that's a fact. Surely she will want to answer for her lies while under oath. Maybe not.

G&C have earned plenty of jeers for plenty of their actions. And no telling how many prayers are being said over baby Caylee, this entire case, situation, murder, SNAFU, cl*sterf*ck. OR who is saying them.

"Each to her own", said the blind lady as she kissed her cow.

[lorettalockhorn]

So I'm thinking this morning while cleaning up the mess from knocking over my 64" fern :punch: what about the rest of the story? Why do we have to wait for the trial to hear it? Are we really to believe that there is another half? That someone is guilty of Caylee's murder, the defense knows about it, and that every day, hour, and minute that ticks by that person is escaping prosecution? Why is the defense aiding and abetting that person? How far out of the country is that person now?

[shadydaisy]

So I'm thinking this morning while cleaning up the mess from knocking over my 64" fern :punch: what about the rest of the story? Why do we have to wait for the trial to hear it? Are we really to believe that there is another half? That someone is guilty of Caylee's murder, the defense knows about it, and that every day, hour, and minute that ticks by that person is escaping prosecution? Why is the defense aiding and abetting that person? How far out of the country is that person now?

You made me laugh! I'll clear this up for you: 1. We have to wait until the trial because they are still working on the rest of the story aka lie. 2. Of course there is another half and it's going to be a dozy. Tales like this take time to manufacture. Zanny the nanny part II.

[mu8shark]

So I'm thinking this morning while cleaning up the mess from knocking over my 64" fern :punch: what about the rest of the story? Why do we have to wait for the trial to hear it? Are we really to believe that there is another half? That someone is guilty of Caylee's murder, the defense knows about it, and that every day, hour, and minute that ticks by that person is escaping prosecution? Why is the defense aiding and abetting that person? How far out of the country is that person now?
This is just so stupid on the part of the defense. I mean they think people are buying that they know someone else did it and they are just waiting for trial. If Casey told a lie because she was afraid they would kill Caylee, and the worst has happened, well now is the time to give the real killer, name , address ,, circumstances, etc. I can't help but think of when Cindy ask Casey in the jail tapes if when they found Caylee then she would be able to get out and come home and Casey answered, I don't know, maybe. Why? Because Casey is not sure she is going to get away with murder.

[lorettalockhorn]

You made me laugh! I'll clear this up for you: 1. We have to wait until the trial because they are still working on the rest of the story aka lie. 2. Of course there is another half and it's going to be a dozy. Tales like this take time to manufacture. Zanny the nanny part II.

This is just so stupid on the part of the defense. I mean they think people are buying that they know someone else did it and they are just waiting for trial. If Casey told a lie because she was afraid they would kill Caylee, and the worst has happened, well now is the time to give the real killer, name , address ,, circumstances, etc. I can't help but think of when Cindy ask Casey in the jail tapes if when they found Caylee then she would be able to get out and come home and Casey answered, I don't know, maybe. Why? Because Casey is not sure she is going to get away with murder.

Yeah, that's what I thought when Caylee's body was discovered; it was apparent that the real kidnappers/killers no longer had anything to hold over Casey's head.

So when is Geraldo or some other brainiac going to ask Jose WTH they are protecting this person?

[crowamongdoves]

Cindy is on The State's witness list, and that's a fact. Surely she will want to answer for her lies while under oath. Maybe not.

G&C have earned plenty of jeers for plenty of their actions. And no telling how many prayers are being said over baby Caylee, this entire case, situation, murder, SNAFU, cl*sterf*ck. OR who is saying them.

"Each to her own", said the blind lady as she kissed her cow.

EXACTLY!!!!!

When I first heard about this case they had my prayers, then they pulled their
sh$t and they earned my jeers...:mad:

[Spider]

baez has been awful quiet or have I just missed him blathering somewhere? Has he made any statements really?

[POE-33]

Shouldn't George and Cindy be out looking for Zanny the Nanny?

Shouldn't Jose Baez and the Anthonys turn over all of the information that they have about Zanny to LE, now that they know that Caylee is dead?

Remember, Baez said that Casey couldn't talk and he couldn't divulge everything that he knew because Zanny was holding Caylee hostage.

Baez and the Anthonys have alleged that Zanny the Nanny was holding Caylee hostage. If they don't have any evidence to back up their charges, isn't that making a false report to Police?
:shrug:

[mu8shark]

EXACTLY!!!!!

When I first heard about this case they had my prayers, then they pulled their
sh$t and they earned my jeers...:mad:
Cindy lost me with her first big lie and I say first because there have been others. When she said that the tow yard manager's statement said the car did not smell at all until five days after it was at the tow yard and I actually read through his statement and saw nothing about that, I realized she had turned a corner from wanting to believe in Casey, to lying to make the rest of us believe in Casey. Recently she said on LKL she had seen the trash bag herself in the back of the trunk at the tow yard and she saw a pizza. In George and tow yard guys statement , there is only a mention of Cindy in the office of the tow company and both men do not place her at the opening of the trunk nor the putting of the bag in the dumpster, so that was lie number two. She also said at first all of the photos of Casey partying were taken before Caylee was missing and blamed it on the fact the photographer wanted his fifteen minutes of fame, last I heard of that, 'oh yeah they were taken after but Casey was working'. Uh huh, right. Then the email where she admits she gave them the wrong hair brush, no sympathy from me, Casey learned how to lie from Cindy as far as I am concerned. Although I think they are truly grieving, I don't find them to be honest human beings and we will see what story they come up with next to take the blame off 'precious' or if they drop this charade and face the truth that Casey did it.

[mu8shark]

baez has been awful quiet or have I just missed him blathering somewhere? Has he made any statements really? Well he did say Casey maintains her innocence and that we only know half of the story and of course the complaining that LE was taking too long and being to thorough with what he called the 'excavation' and why couldn't the defense look over their shoulder and throw in a few instructions while they worked. And of course he pouted like a child when the pastor told Casey , Caylee was officially dead. Because Jose wanted to tell her!

[mu8shark]

It doesn't take much to get Geraldo hysterical about anything, IMO. He was hysterical about the defense not getting first dibbs on the crime scene, altho he should have enough sense to know the scene has to be investigated FIRST. Geraldo supposedly was a lawyer a long time back so he should know that the defense never gets first dibbs, nor does LE usually let the defense stand over the shoulder of LE and give them suggestions or get to monitor them in case they plant evidence as Todd Black suggested. It is just plain crazy. If he can site lots of other cases where this is done, I am listening......

[lorettalockhorn]

EXACTLY!!!!!

When I first heard about this case they had my prayers, then they pulled their
sh$t and they earned my jeers...:mad:

I'm not stricken with hyperreligiousity, but I can guarandamntee you that I would no more be on a message board, or anywhere else in public, senstionalizing my prayers anymore than would my very first post on a message board be to castigate others for what I assume about their prayer habits. I would expect to be told to bugger off.

baez has been awful quiet or have I just missed him blathering somewhere? Has he made any statements really?

BWAAAAAHAHAHA

Nope, he's been pretty quiet as far as I can tell. Probably out at the deli picking up some cheese to go with the whine on Geraldo At Large.

[lorettalockhorn]

Geraldo supposedly was a lawyer a long time back so he should know that the defense never gets first dibbs, nor does LE usually let the defense stand over the shoulder of LE and give them suggestions or get to monitor them in case they plant evidence as Todd Black suggested. It is just plain crazy. If he can site lots of other cases where this is done, I am listening......

For Baez's spokesquack to even suggest that the prosecution would plant evidence is outrageous. And I doubt if Black can cite any case that tops the case law that Strickland no doubt based any of his rulings on. The defense should keep mum; their paranoia is showing.

[mu8shark]

For Baez's spokesquack to even suggest that the prosecution would plant evidence is outrageous. And I doubt if Black can cite any case that tops the case law that Strickland no doubt based any of his rulings on. The defense should keep mum; their paranoia is showing. I just wrote Geraldo at Large to ream them for having Mercedes on and her being so ill informed. If Elise Wiehl had not corrected her falsehoods, I believe Geraldo would have let them stand. I also reamed him for not challenging his 'buddy' Jose Baez and for making such a stink about the defense not getting to come on the crime scene, which as I said , as a lawyer he should know better. I told him I would not watch his coverage as I felt it was shoddy, ill informed and pure sensationalism. Not that he cares. LOL. But that show just got under my skin. If the only thing one watched was Geraldo on this case, you would think LE was doing a terrible job and the meter reader should be arrested immediately as Casey is just a victim of mass hate she does not deserve. One of his headlines was 'Will Casey be released even before her trial starts because of LE missteps?'. How damned far off the mark is that? I mean I hate/love to rant but LE missed the body, they just plain missed it, it happens a lot. It does not mean that you stop the case or point the finger at the guy who did nothing but try to report it.

[mu8shark]

Shouldn't George and Cindy be out looking for Zanny the Nanny?

Shouldn't Jose Baez and the Anthonys turn over all of the information that they have about Zanny to LE, now that they know that Caylee is dead?

Remember, Baez said that Casey couldn't talk and he couldn't divulge everything that he knew because Zanny was holding Caylee hostage.

Baez and the Anthonys have alleged that Zanny the Nanny was holding Caylee hostage. If they don't have any evidence to back up their charges, isn't that making a false report to Police?
:shrug: Remember Cindys statement that they had hired a PI who found out, everything Casey told them turned out to be true? And then of course George's statement early on they were watching the real kidnappers? Wonder what happened to this guy, Dominic Casey, ,not giving any interviews I see

[lorettalockhorn]

I just wrote Geraldo at Large to ream them for having Mercedes on and her being so ill informed. If Elise Wiehl had not corrected her falsehoods, I believe Geraldo would have let them stand. I also reamed him for not challenging his 'buddy' Jose Baez and for making such a stink about the defense not getting to come on the crime scene, which as I said , as a lawyer he should know better. I told him I would not watch his coverage as I felt it was shoddy, ill informed and pure sensationalism. Not that he cares. LOL. But that show just got under my skin. If the only thing one watched was Geraldo on this case, you would think LE was doing a terrible job and the meter reader should be arrested immediately as Casey is just a victim of mass hate she does not deserve. One of his headlines was 'Will Casey be released even before her trial starts because of LE missteps?'. How damned far off the mark is that? I mean I hate/love to rant but LE missed the body, they just plain missed it, it happens a lot. It does not mean that you stop the case or point the finger at the guy who did nothing but try to report it.

Good for you! Like you pointed out, Geraldo is/was an attorney. It's one thing to be deferential in asking questions of your guest and waiting for their answer or point of view, but another to defer your intelligence to your guest. In the name of ratings. And speaking of ill-informed, so has Greta been. Then again, I don't put a lot of stock in Faux News Network.

[mu8shark]

Good for you! Like you pointed out, Geraldo is/was an attorney. It's one thing to be deferential in asking questions of your guest and waiting for their answer or point of view, but another to defer your intelligence to your guest. In the name of ratings. And speaking of ill-informed, so has Greta been. Then again, I don't put a lot of stock in Faux News Network.Yeah you know if someone has a different opinion that is one thing but for the info to be just plain wrong is inexcusable esp in a case such as this, which has enough lies to last a lifetime. But I don't get a reply or one of those automated thingies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah you know if someone has a different opinion that is one thing but for the info to be just plain wrong is inexcusable esp in a case such as this, which has enough lies to last a lifetime. But I don't get a reply or one of those automated thingies.

I don't really have a problem with someone putting forth the arguments of the defense, but Geraldo should at least pretend to be a little skeptical of Casey, then Anthonys, and Baez's utter garbage that he tries to pass off as the truth. What a hypocrite.

[One2Snoop]

I think Gerald's had to much botox, whatcha think? :tongue: or maybe this is the after affects of foot in mouth disease?

http://i44.tinypic.com/724sr9.jpg

[lighthousedazy]

I think Gerald's had to much botox, whatcha think? :tongue: or maybe this is the after affects of foot in mouth disease?

http://i44.tinypic.com/724sr9.jpgCould be either or both, O2S. :D :biggrin: I noticed on Geraldo's show several weeks ago that he introduced Jose Baez as his good friend. When Kimberly Gilfoyle asked him why did Liar spend so much time in his office, Geraldo beamed in that jose had a "drop dead gorgeous" wife. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

I think Gerald's had to much botox, whatcha think? :tongue: or maybe this is the after affects of foot in mouth disease?

http://i44.tinypic.com/724sr9.jpg

Betcha he can do some first class arse kissing with those lips!

[One2Snoop]

ROFL! Oops I forgot the O and meant Geraldo.

[Justice Denied?]

Curious doesn't begin to describe it for me! Don't you think it's got to be something unusual? I do wonder if they specifically asked to see Caylee's favorite book and if the Anthonys were able to produce it.

Loretta,

I dont know what to think anymore. From the pictures on tv, they are taking all kinds of stuff out of there. We all know George and Cindy could not provide Caylee's book.

I keep wondering, why the book? She left the doll in the car, apparantly picked no other toys. What was the significance of that book?:shrug:

[Justice Denied?]

I agree she will look older and older over the next few months.

And so will her darling daughter, Casey. Jail is hard on a woman. :biggrin::):D:biggrin:

[Justice Denied?]

Browneyes,

I forgot to wish you luck and say I hope each and every dream comes true. Don't be afraid to reach for the stars!

I was a Social Worker in a shelter for battered women and victims of sexual assault. But if I were starting today, I would like to be a profiler, preferably for the FBI. I think that would be a fascinating job.

[Justice Denied?]

My closing argument would be: The proof is in the trunk of a car only Casey Anthony drove. I rest my case.

That is the part I could never get around. At first, I thought Casey might just be a scared young woman. But when the test results came back on the trunk it was over for me. No one had access to that car but Casey. I hate to say it, but I think if she had gotten rid of the body before the odor got so strong she might actually had a chance of getting by with it.

Definitely close with the car. Its the stongest piece of evidence.

[Justice Denied?]

HAHA Rabbit out of their livers.

Anyway, so speaking of the defense. How will Baez put on the Zanny defense without putting Casey on the stand? No one except Casey has ever seen her or who can describe her or give any details about her or her life.

Need more hagnog so I can think outside the box.

That is a very interesting dilema. Can't put Casey on the stand or all her lies will be exposed. If don't put her on the stand, there is no way to get Zani in. I may be wron but I still believe Baez will challenge the forensic evidence and stop right there. Could be wrong though.

You hagnog is on the way. Extra nutmeg!

[browneyes106]

Shouldn't George and Cindy be out looking for Zanny the Nanny?

Shouldn't Jose Baez and the Anthonys turn over all of the information that they have about Zanny to LE, now that they know that Caylee is dead?

Remember, Baez said that Casey couldn't talk and he couldn't divulge everything that he knew because Zanny was holding Caylee hostage.

Baez and the Anthonys have alleged that Zanny the Nanny was holding Caylee hostage. If they don't have any evidence to back up their charges, isn't that making a false report to Police?
:shrug:


Well they only thing Baez can turn over to LE is that Zanny has a mom named Gloria and sister named Samantha and had lots of money and lived in New York and North Carolina before Florida. I agree since LE can't find any evidence of Zany, Gloria, Samantha and Zany's roommates Jennifer and Raquel they should charge Casey for making a false report. The prosecutiion will rip apart Baez and the defense when they fail to prove the existence of Zanny, family and associates. This case will drown Baez's career. Baez should have stuck to being a criminologist. He attended an expensive bottom tier law school at St. Thomas University. Baez probably couldn't get into the cheaper and better law schools in Florida. Linda Kenney Badan's career will also be done after this.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta,

I dont know what to think anymore. From the pictures on tv, they are taking all kinds of stuff out of there. We all know George and Cindy could not provide Caylee's book.

I keep wondering, why the book? She left the doll in the car, apparantly picked no other toys. What was the significance of that book?:shrug:

I think Casey left Caylee's favorite doll in the car as proof that someone who didn't care about her took her. Casey would never keep Caylee from her dolly.

At which point you have to wonder WTH Zenaida suddenly stopped caring for Caylee. I mean she had been taking such good care of her all this time. :rolleyes:

[mu8shark]

Gasp! I just heard Jesse Grund explain that the reason they broke up the first time was because Casey accused Jesse of loving Caylee more than Casey. Is that not just the most telling thing ever about her selfish personality??? Nancy even looked shocked! Unbelievable. It kind of reminds me like Nancy says of how jealous Casey appeared to be since her parents focus had probably shifted to Caylee rather than 'precious' herself.

[mu8shark]

That is a very interesting dilema. Can't put Casey on the stand or all her lies will be exposed. If don't put her on the stand, there is no way to get Zani in. I may be wron but I still believe Baez will challenge the forensic evidence and stop right there. Could be wrong though.

You hagnog is on the way. Extra nutmeg!No you may be right. And if that happens as it is my opinion that if for instance the forensics are a wash, the demeanor evidence, the behavior, the lies, the cadaver dogs and the human reaction to the smell in that car is going to get her anyway. I see great parallels to the Scott Peterson case, can you guys really say forensic evidence did him in? Nope. It was those lies. And in some ways this case has more suspicious and damning evidence. I mean they could not really place Laci dead in Scotts car or boat except for one mitro dna hair in the pliers which technincally could have come from her alive, technically, not probably but you know what I am saying, So I am not worried if he attacks the forensics, because to me there is plenty more. Scott remember looked up the tides and never looked up the word death , neck breaking, chloroform and death and inhalation, so Caseys's case has more evidence.

[lorettalockhorn]

Jesse Grund is breaking my heart with his story about dressing up in the Santa suit for Caylee.

[mu8shark]

That is the part I could never get around. At first, I thought Casey might just be a scared young woman. But when the test results came back on the trunk it was over for me. No one had access to that car but Casey. I hate to say it, but I think if she had gotten rid of the body before the odor got so strong she might actually had a chance of getting by with it.

Definitely close with the car. Its the stongest piece of evidence.Exactly, there would not have been such scrutiny on that trunk., I mean if you dump the body in the first few hours you hardly have any reason to have so many tests on the trunk. . So here is my question why do you think she took so long to dump the body? My theory is she was literally lazy and it was not important to her. She was busy with the boyfriend , busy shopping, busy at the bar and she would get to that when she got to it. Anybody else have a different theory as to why she waited so long?

[mu8shark]

Jesse Grund is breaking my heart with his story about dressing up in the Santa suit for Caylee.Yes it is heartbreaking and it is heartbreaking that they would try and implicate him when it obvious he cooperated from the get go and has nothing to hide. I am sure any statements he made about loving that child dearly were twisted as LP says. But it kind of makes no sense that you adore a child so you go out and kill her. What kind of motive would that be?

[lorettalockhorn]

That is a very interesting dilema. Can't put Casey on the stand or all her lies will be exposed. If don't put her on the stand, there is no way to get Zani in. I may be wron but I still believe Baez will challenge the forensic evidence and stop right there. Could be wrong though.

You hagnog is on the way. Extra nutmeg!

Thanks dahling! :beer:

No you may be right. And if that happens as it is my opinion that if for instance the forensics are a wash, the demeanor evidence, the behavior, the lies, the cadaver dogs and the human reaction to the smell in that car is going to get her anyway. I see great parallels to the Scott Peterson case, can you guys really say forensic evidence did him in? Nope. It was those lies. And in some ways this case has more suspicious and damning evidence. I mean they could not really place Laci dead in Scotts car or boat except for one mitro dna hair in the pliers which technincally could have come from her alive, technically, not probably but you know what I am saying, So I am not worried if he attacks the forensics, because to me there is plenty more. Scott remember looked up the tides and never looked up the word death , neck breaking, chloroform and death and inhalation, so Caseys's case has more evidence.

Agree with you that the defense may pooh pooh the scientific aspects of this case; Cindy already has. You would think that Baez and Nejame and Conway, etc. ad infinitm would make sure that the Anthonys fully understand the impact of the test results on the trunk of the car, because you know the jury will surely pay attention.

[browneyes106]

Gasp! I just heard Jesse Grund explain that the reason they broke up the first time was because Casey accused Jesse of loving Caylee more than Casey. Is that not just the most telling thing ever about her selfish personality??? Nancy even looked shocked! Unbelievable. It kind of reminds me like Nancy says of how jealous Casey appeared to be since her parents focus had probably shifted to Caylee rather than 'precious' herself.

I was shocked to hearing that. I feel really sorry for Jesse he seems like a really nice guy who wanted to be father and husband to Caylee and Casey. Jesse was probably the only "father" Caylee had. I wonder if he was planning to adopt Caylee during the engagement. It has been mentioned in articles and police interviews that Tony only wanted sons maybe Casey killed Caylee because she was the "other woman" keeping her from Tony.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes it is heartbreaking and it is heartbreaking that they would try and implicate him when it obvious he cooperated from the get go and has nothing to hide. I am sure any statements he made about loving that child dearly were twisted as LP says. But it kind of makes no sense that you adore a child so you go out and kill her. What kind of motive would that be?

You gotta love the irony here; Jesse killed Caylee out of jealousy. But there's no way that Casey killed Caylee out of jealousy.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was shocked to hearing that. I feel really sorry for Jesse he seems like a really nice guy who wanted to be father and husband to Caylee and Casey. Jesse was probably the only "father" Caylee had. I wonder if he was planning to adopt Caylee during the engagement. It has been mentioned in articles and police interviews that Tony only wanted sons maybe Casey killed Caylee because she was the "other woman" keeping her from Tony.

Jealousy is the recurring theme here. Everyone seems to be jealous of the people who care(d) about Caylee. Jesse is articulate and seems very honest about his feelings for Caylee and Casey both. Interesting that he doesn't relate to "this" Casey; the one in jail. Didn't Kiomarie say something along the same lines; that Casey didn't used to be this way?

Want to echo Justice Denied's good wishes on your dream of a career in law!

[mu8shark]

I agree that this will hurt Baez's career , not that i think he is the boy wonder at this point or a notable of any kind but if he thinks this will make him soar to new heights, I don't believe it will. I was kind of thinking of Robert Shapiro and what made him so notable and such a big shot was his ability to spot a case that would be a good one to plea . And he plead out a lot of them. But he would see the cards on the table and then go to his client and get them the best deal. When OJ case came along as far as I am concerned , it reduced his credibility . He is now doing late night tv ads for some internet lawyer service. I don't think Baez is experienced or smart enough to mount a credible defense and he would be better off trying to get her to plea. But Casey of course who considers herself a top notch liar probably would not plea . I just heard Perper say that the water could have washed the prints off the tape , but another expert Baden said he doubted it would. I hope Baden is right. If her fingerprints are on that tape, her defense will go from the toilet to the sewer, so to speak in my opinion.

[mu8shark]

From Danagher's great post " Quote "The book might have been a statement to her mother, who probably bought the book. There ya go momma! Take that! And that! Here's your precious little Caylee and here's your F***ing book too!" I would not put this past her at all. Remember her my space blurb what is given can be taken away. You know who that is directed at! Mommy

[mu8shark]

Want to know what I find so striking is that so many people mention they don't know this Casey. To me it is so typical of these sociopathic murderers. Ann Rule, the great true crime writer, thought Ted Bundy was so compassionate, polite, even protective of women. Rader (I think I have the right name ) the BTK killer was really known as a good guy at church. John Wayne Gacy entertained children and was said to be very good with them. People like Casey are good at mimicking acceptable, even exemplary behavior. I mean listen to what people say about her, a great mother! They 1950's idea that a killer looks and acts a certain way is gone and it makes it hard to trust people sometimes. I am kind of hoping that Casey is so sure of herself she insists on testifying. Sometimes these killers who think they are smarter than anyone else insist on it. If so, I will call in sick for sure.

[Justice Denied?]

It's a cold winter day, the ground is covered in white and I need to finish my Christmas shopping before Wednesday. All the children in my family are safe and sound, their presents are under the tree. Without trying to fan the flames of sadness and anger about the fact that Caylee isn't on earth to enjoy this holiday (which is strictly for children Too enjoy) I can't help but feel sad about it. I can't help but hate her mother. I can't help but feel disgusted with her grandmother. I know that humans are basically ego driven and need to control their personal environment. But that family took it to extreme levels and a baby paid the price for it.

Caylee may have come to teach them that there is no such thing as control. Yet from what I've observed, that group is incapable of learning. As I see it, Cindy Anthony didn't stand up for the child. She could have done a million other things, starting with pressing charges against liar for bilking her credit card. Then filing for custody of Caylee. It would have been a good beginning. Caylee may have gotten to see Santa.

When I feel resentment or down right hate, I usually beat myself up for it. I feel guilty and work on forgiveness and try to get myself out of it. Some Asian cultures won't let their peace be marred and bow their heads when their spirits are under insult. They do not argue with evil they just accept it. They won't allow their souls to be vexed. I want to be like that but I'm not Grasshopper. I asked myself how I can feel love for this stranger named Caylee and feel hatred for her mother. It's a paradox in my own heart.

My own culture is responsible for making Jimmy Hoffa disappear! Without restraint I am guilty of wanting to see the liar hang by her toes from the tallest telephone pole in the crescendo of a nor'easter, until she goes blind, then I want to see her stuffed in a bag of bees and then I'd like to see her beg for her life for a while, through her duct tapped lying mouth. And then I'd like to see her dragged over to the sausage shop and piss herself while the grinder gets set up, knowing someone is about to stick her lying head in it. I want her to scream forever in hell for what I believe she did to that beautiful child. I still say death is too good for her.

Sigh.. sorry, I'm working on it.

It's morning. I didn't even need haterade to feel this way. Am I nuts? Nah, I'm just furious because it's Christmas week and little Caylee has been robbed of Christmas morning, the best time of the year for children. :mad::flamemad:

I know what you mean. Everyone is grieving for Kaylee this Christmas. We had our extended family Christmas yesterday. My 3 yr old granddaughter was carrying around her new baby doll and I thought of Kaylee and her doll.


this morning my granddaughter called me crying like her heart would break. She had just found out the remains were Kaylee. She kept saying, "why, why". Even at my age I can't tell her.

Kaycie needs to pay. Just hope they don't postpone the trial 5 or 6 times.

[mu8shark]

I have a question wasn't the backpack found in the car as well, the child's backpack along with the doll? I know Casey said Zanny had clothes, high chair, toys etc for her , but if you bothered to pack a back pack and bring the doll, why when you dropped off the child did you not send her in with her backpack and dollie? That makes no sense to me. If Casey had been smart she would have ditched the backpack and doll to make the story more believable.It would be much more credible if all that stuff was missing not in the car, otherwise why would you pack it and head out the door with it at all to just leave it in the car?

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree that this will hurt Baez's career , not that i think he is the boy wonder at this point or a notable of any kind but if he thinks this will make him soar to new heights, I don't believe it will. I was kind of thinking of Robert Shapiro and what made him so notable and such a big shot was his ability to spot a case that would be a good one to plea . And he plead out a lot of them. But he would see the cards on the table and then go to his client and get them the best deal. When OJ case came along as far as I am concerned , it reduced his credibility . He is now doing late night tv ads for some internet lawyer service. I don't think Baez is experienced or smart enough to mount a credible defense and he would be better off trying to get her to plea. But Casey of course who considers herself a top notch liar probably would not plea . I just heard Perper say that the water could have washed the prints off the tape , but another expert Baden said he doubted it would. I hope Baden is right. If her fingerprints are on that tape, her defense will go from the toilet to the sewer, so to speak in my opinion.

I have a very good friend who was once married to a slattern of a woman (who just happened to be an attorney), and when she lost her license for inappropriate behavior with just about everyone, the only way I could think of to console him was to remind him that she had slept her way to the bottom. IF Baez had a brain, he would undoubtedly handle many things differently. Course, I only know half the story.

Not a Leonard fan in the least, but I loved it when he pointed out that LE should be talking to G's&C's PIs about the people that they were following. (And surely LE has quizzed them by now. Still thought it was a great point.)

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a question wasn't the backpack found in the car as well, the child's backpack along with the doll? I know Casey said Zanny had clothes, high chair, toys etc for her , but if you bothered to pack a back pack and bring the doll, why when you dropped off the child did you not send her in with her backpack and dollie? That makes no sense to me. If Casey had been smart she would have ditched the backpack and doll to make the story more believable.It would be much more credible if all that stuff was missing not in the car, otherwise why would you pack it and head out the door with it at all to just leave it in the car?

Don't believe the backpack was every found (unless it was found with Caylee and we don't know); in the car was the carseat, the doll, and the steak knife. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

I am so hoping that that cutiepie Dr. Perper is just preparing us for the worst with the duct tape. I'm hoping that since the duct tape was still adhered to the skull that it had enough adhesive to still hold fingerprints or DNA.

[mu8shark]

Don't believe the backpack was every found (unless it was found with Caylee and we don't know); in the car was the carseat, the doll, and the steak knife. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

I am so hoping that that cutiepie Dr. Perper is just preparing us for the worst with the duct tape. I'm hoping that since the duct tape was still adhered to the skull that it had enough adhesive to still hold fingerprints or DNA. Okay I googled and while LE did not find it in the car, Cindy says she removed it, the doll and those pants from the car. Allegedly. Someone correct me if I am wrong!

[mu8shark]

NECN/WFTV) - Court documents show 22-year-old Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Florida toddler, Caylee Anthony, wanted to give the girl up for adoption before she was born.

Documents released by prosecutors Monday show Casey Anthony's mother insisted that she keep the child. Three-year-old Caylee has been missing since June.

The documents show a manager at the wrecker yard where the Anthony's car was towed told detectives it smelled like another car once stored on the lot, in which a man committed suicide.

Cindy Anthony told detectives she removed a kitchen knife, Caylee's backpack and a baby doll from the car and it had a strong unidentifiable odor. End quote. This is where I found it. I could not remember if it was found or not. For the longest time , there were rumors the carseat was missing but it was not.

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I googled and while LE did not find it in the car, Cindy says she removed it, the doll and those pants from the car. Allegedly. Someone correct me if I am wrong!

I found several citations that Cindy found the backpack also, and noted that it didn't have much in it. Didn't find anything that refutes her.

ETA: "There were no clothes in there like there would be. There was a couple of diapers in there, her toothbrush, a couple hair things," said Cindy Anthony. "And then maybe some wipes and that was it. Which is unusual cause their backpacks are usually full to the brim and usually books, toys, clothes."

http://www.wesh.com/news/17933548/detail.html

[javahog]

I found several citations that Cindy found the backpack also, and noted that it didn't have much in it. Didn't find anything that refutes her.

ETA: "There were no clothes in there like there would be. There was a couple of diapers in there, her toothbrush, a couple hair things," said Cindy Anthony. "And then maybe some wipes and that was it. Which is unusual cause their backpacks are usually full to the brim and usually books, toys, clothes."

http://www.wesh.com/news/17933548/detail.html

I wonder if Cindy inadvertently listed out the evidence found at the dumping scene? We always think of trace evidence, but what if IT dumped ALL Caylee's things that mattered to her?

[javahog]

Exactly, there would not have been such scrutiny on that trunk., I mean if you dump the body in the first few hours you hardly have any reason to have so many tests on the trunk. . So here is my question why do you think she took so long to dump the body? My theory is she was literally lazy and it was not important to her. She was busy with the boyfriend , busy shopping, busy at the bar and she would get to that when she got to it. Anybody else have a different theory as to why she waited so long?

I suspect that it was a combination of things. She had a hard time deciding the "perfect" place (thinks she smart, wants to think through what would happen on CSI.) And of course was distracted by her exciting little activities. Then had an intervening event that required dumping down the block, rather than the perfect place, imo.

"perfect is the enemy of good."

[javahog]

I'm kind of interested in the virtual silence of the Anthonys. Yeah, I know, there was a statement, but not much of one...and the fact that it expressed nothing re: the offspring makes me wonder if they have withdrawn their support now that Caylee has been found.

Does anyone know if 1) Casey has to release the body into her parents custody (and if so, could she release it to someone else?) and 2) who authorizes the second autopsy? (I know its unlikely, but just as a legal matter, I wonder if the State can require that it be done if the defense motions for it...or if it is a private matter)

[lorettalockhorn]

You know that the Anthonys must be traumatized, regardless of what's happened in the past. It's incredible to me that they haven't visited Casey to offer condolences, share a hug, express grief. Incredible.

Not sure about the answers to your specific questions, but this was at the WESH site:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18333246/detail.html

[mu8shark]

Okay, okay I know this is probably mean but on Gretawire there is a poster who theorizes the chloroform in the trunk comes from the fact that there is lots of it in the water supply in Orlando and that when Casey was trying to clean up the smell from the 'pizza'' she used lots of water to do it. It just cracked me up that somebody thought chloroform was in the water. I am sure they mean chlorine in the water. LOL. Anyways maybe this makes me look like a meany or a snob but I laughed at it.

[javahog]

You know that the Anthonys must be traumatized, regardless of what's happened in the past. It's incredible to me that the haven't visited Casey to offer condolences, share a hug, express grief. Incredible.

Not sure about the answers to your specific questions, but this was at the WESH site:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18333246/detail.html

Thank you. Some but not all. I just wonder about the dichotomy. The next of kin is the accused killer. Therefor, theoretically, the accused should be the one to decide the disposition of the "evidence". That doesn't seem right, but on the other hand, if an accused person was innocent, and the remains of their family member was "given" to someone else, that would be a mistake that could not be rectified... I can't remember, did the lovely Scott Peterson choose the burial plans or have a say?

I am glad Caylee's memorial toys are going to be donated. I am sure she would want that, as I have a son who is just a couple of weeks younger than her and he is so happy he gave a present to Toys for Tots. He keeps talking about how happy "the boy" will be. From what I've seen, Caylee was just as sweet.

[javahog]

Okay, okay I know this is probably mean but on Gretawire there is a poster who theorizes the chloroform in the trunk comes from the fact that there is lots of it in the water supply in Orlando and that when Casey was trying to clean up the smell from the 'pizza'' she used lots of water to do it. It just cracked me up that somebody thought chloroform was in the water. I am sure they mean chlorine in the water. LOL. Anyways maybe this makes me look like a meany or a snob but I laughed at it.

Ha! This might be a good moment to comment about "something" being in the water in Florida, but since I'm in California which is not devoid of weird crime...:chicken:

[Lodi]

I'm not much into legal matters but I think Casey's best defense would be some form of insanity. Since it looks so obvious that she is guilty, her best bet would be for her attorneys to admit that she did it but advance the idea that she lives in a dream world where half the time, she's not in touch with reality. I think the evidence will be too strong to deny her guilt so why not try to soften the evil picture of her crime by saying she was crazy. Of course, Casey may be too crazy to go along with it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you. Some but not all. I just wonder about the dichotomy. The next of kin is the accused killer. Therefor, theoretically, the accused should be the one to decide the disposition of the "evidence". That doesn't seem right, but on the other hand, if an accused person was innocent, and the remains of their family member was "given" to someone else, that would be a mistake that could not be rectified... I can't remember, did the lovely Scott Peterson choose the burial plans or have a say?

I am glad Caylee's memorial toys are going to be donated. I am sure she would want that, as I have a son who is just a couple of weeks younger than her and he is so happy he gave a present to Toys for Tots. He keeps talking about how happy "the boy" will be. From what I've seen, Caylee was just as sweet.

I dunno. It looks like Caylee would not have the means to afford a funeral, so maybe she simply assigned custody of Caylee's body to G&C? So speaking of the funeral, this is interesting about the funeral and Conway's statement:

...WFTV-Channel 9's Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said...

...On WKMG-Channel 6, Conway said that George and Cindy Anthony are supporting Casey. "They want the truth, whatever that is," Conway said. "Whatever the truth is, they will stand by their daughter."...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay, okay I know this is probably mean but on Gretawire there is a poster who theorizes the chloroform in the trunk comes from the fact that there is lots of it in the water supply in Orlando and that when Casey was trying to clean up the smell from the 'pizza'' she used lots of water to do it. It just cracked me up that somebody thought chloroform was in the water. I am sure they mean chlorine in the water. LOL. Anyways maybe this makes me look like a meany or a snob but I laughed at it.

LOL I voted in the poll and read some comments, but missed that one.

[crowamongdoves]

I think that Baez will try to get the judge to let Casey attend the funeral...If he wants to keep up the charade that his client is innocent he should. If a truly innocent woman was in jail and they found her baby dead she would be freaking out and demanding to be able to say good bye to her baby. IMO

[mu8shark]

I'm not much into legal matters but I think Casey's best defense would be some form of insanity. Since it looks so obvious that she is guilty, her best bet would be for her attorneys to admit that she did it but advance the idea that she lives in a dream world where half the time, she's not in touch with reality. I think the evidence will be too strong to deny her guilt so why not try to soften the evil picture of her crime by saying she was crazy. Of course, Casey may be too crazy to go along with it. Because Casey took so much trouble covering up the crime, she will not meet the legal definition of insanity. In order for her to meet that standard legally she would have to not know right from wrong and juries buy this in less than 1 per cent of cases when it is attempted as a defense. Juries are also very suspicious of defendants who have had no treatment, medication or prior diagnosis. It won't work.

[mu8shark]

I dunno. It looks like Caylee would not have the means to afford a funeral, so maybe she simply assigned custody of Caylee's body to G&C? So speaking of the funeral, this is interesting about the funeral and Conway's statement:

...WFTV-Channel 9's Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said...

...On WKMG-Channel 6, Conway said that George and Cindy Anthony are supporting Casey. "They want the truth, whatever that is," Conway said. "Whatever the truth is, they will stand by their daughter."...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html I know this may sound harsh but I think it is unreasonable for the Anthonys to expect the public to pay for Caylee's funeral. First of all some mysterious benefactor is paying for Casey's defense, somebody else put them up in the Ritz and I am sure the trip to CA was not on their dime, now they want freebies to bury their grandchild as if they are idigent. I am completey for donations if someone can't really afford it but now they sound like a bunch of freeloaders. Sorry if I come off nasty or judgemental but I just feel that way. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

I dunno. It looks like Caylee would not have the means to afford a funeral, so maybe she simply assigned custody of Caylee's body to G&C? So speaking of the funeral, this is interesting about the funeral and Conway's statement:

...WFTV-Channel 9's Mary Nguyen reported that George and Cindy Anthony might ask for donations to bury Caylee. "The Anthonys are hoping the public will pay for their granddaughter's funeral," Nguyen said...

...On WKMG-Channel 6, Conway said that George and Cindy Anthony are supporting Casey. "They want the truth, whatever that is," Conway said. "Whatever the truth is, they will stand by their daughter."...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html Scott Peterson had zero say in Laci's burial arrangements and Casey will probably not have a say as well. It would not surprise me if Baez said something phony like Casey does not want to make this a circus and wants to honor the memory of Caylee with dignity and therefore she has chosen not to ask the court for permission to attend. It just sounds like her ,.and personally I think she would not like it that many extended family or friends who may show up are not supportive of her.

[crowamongdoves]

I totally agree, if in fact the Anthonys are asking for donations for Caylee's funeral that is in poor taste:mad:

I wouldn't have a problem if they weren't able to pay but I don't think that is the case.

[applesandorange]

I know this may sound harsh but I think it is unreasonable for the Anthonys to expect the public to pay for Caylee's funeral. First of all some mysterious benefactor is paying for Casey's defense, somebody else put them up in the Ritz and I am sure the trip to CA was not on their dime, now they want freebies to bury their grandchild as if they are idigent. I am completey for donations if someone can't really afford it but now they sound like a bunch of freeloaders. Sorry if I come off nasty or judgemental but I just feel that way. :shrug:


ITA!! I think it's wrong for them to expect the public to pay for the burial. The public has dpne enough to help them. The public didn't kill Caylee. I could understand it if they didn't have money to pay but at this point they are coming across like they want no responsibility to this little girl anymore at all. So so sad.

[sharlock]

Well they only thing Baez can turn over to LE is that Zanny has a mom named Gloria and sister named Samantha and had lots of money and lived in New York and North Carolina before Florida. I agree since LE can't find any evidence of Zany, Gloria, Samantha and Zany's roommates Jennifer and Raquel they should charge Casey for making a false report. The prosecutiion will rip apart Baez and the defense when they fail to prove the existence of Zanny, family and associates. This case will drown Baez's career. Baez should have stuck to being a criminologist. He attended an expensive bottom tier law school at St. Thomas University. Baez probably couldn't get into the cheaper and better law schools in Florida. Linda Kenney Badan's career will also be done after this.

I just had an epiphany "Zanny is rich right and only Casey can point to her" Of course Zanny is paying for the defense, it all makes sense now. Oh I am having another nightmare.

[deputydi]

No you may be right. And if that happens as it is my opinion that if for instance the forensics are a wash, the demeanor evidence, the behavior, the lies, the cadaver dogs and the human reaction to the smell in that car is going to get her anyway. I see great parallels to the Scott Peterson case, can you guys really say forensic evidence did him in? Nope. It was those lies. And in some ways this case has more suspicious and damning evidence. I mean they could not really place Laci dead in Scotts car or boat except for one mitro dna hair in the pliers which technincally could have come from her alive, technically, not probably but you know what I am saying, So I am not worried if he attacks the forensics, because to me there is plenty more. Scott remember looked up the tides and never looked up the word death , neck breaking, chloroform and death and inhalation, so Caseys's case has more evidence.
You are so right! The similarities are remarkable. The one thing that played the biggest part in convincing me of his guilt was the bodies washing ashore where they did. Prior to that, I spent a lot of time on the fence. This time there is no fence to sit on, but the location of Caylee's body is the real clincher.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just had an epiphany "Zanny is rich right and only Casey can point to her" Of course Zanny is paying for the defense, it all makes sense now. Oh I am having another nightmare.

Genius!!!!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

She assigned custody too late and yet I'm not sure that move would have been safe for Caylee either. I have such a strong urge to say, "Those people are nuts!" But I can't because the know right from wrong. Maybe their problem is genetic? How about, interbreeding? Maybe they are all on drugs? Or just simply no regard for human life? What a mystery!! Oh gosh I think someone put haterade in my coffee this morning.

They'll stand by her *WHATEVER* the truth is?????

Does anyone know what, "Bah Fongoul" means?

Ooh! I love new words and phrases (especially if I can add them to the F section of my lexicon!); found this:

Question
When Carlo and Connie are fighting, they curse at each other by saying "Bah fangul!" (or something like that) What exactly does this term mean? Thank you.
Answer
Michael,

After some consultation with user "mail-901" on the Internet Movie Database, I think we have an answer. Although the phrase you mention is spelled out as "ba fa goulle" and "ba fa goule" in the movie's script at http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/The_Godfather.html, the actual phrase appears to be "vaffanculo," which translates to a more vulgar variation of "up yours." (Source: http://italian.about.com/library/slang/bladultslangindexv.htm. Be forewarned that the page contains profanity translated from Italian.)

Hope this answers your question.
JAC

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Dramatic-Movies-3264/Godfather-Part-1.htm

I put up yours into the online translator and got su il vostro.

[POE-33]

I know this may sound harsh but I think it is unreasonable for the Anthonys to expect the public to pay for Caylee's funeral. First of all some mysterious benefactor is paying for Casey's defense, somebody else put them up in the Ritz and I am sure the trip to CA was not on their dime, now they want freebies to bury their grandchild as if they are idigent. I am completey for donations if someone can't really afford it but now they sound like a bunch of freeloaders. Sorry if I come off nasty or judgemental but I just feel that way. :shrug:

The Anthonys have been trying to make money off the geath of this poor child from the beginning. It's outrageous!!!

I understand that George & Cindy solicited funds to help search for Caylee.
If that's true, it seems to me that they could be liable to a law suit.
:mad:

[POE-33]

I just wrote Geraldo at Large to ream them for having Mercedes on and her being so ill informed. If Elise Wiehl had not corrected her falsehoods, I believe Geraldo would have let them stand. I also reamed him for not challenging his 'buddy' Jose Baez and for making such a stink about the defense not getting to come on the crime scene, which as I said , as a lawyer he should know better. I told him I would not watch his coverage as I felt it was shoddy, ill informed and pure sensationalism. Not that he cares. LOL. But that show just got under my skin. If the only thing one watched was Geraldo on this case, you would think LE was doing a terrible job and the meter reader should be arrested immediately as Casey is just a victim of mass hate she does not deserve. One of his headlines was 'Will Casey be released even before her trial starts because of LE missteps?'. How damned far off the mark is that? I mean I hate/love to rant but LE missed the body, they just plain missed it, it happens a lot. It does not mean that you stop the case or point the finger at the guy who did nothing but try to report it.

Good for you, Shark.
I sent Greta an e-mail last week, scolding her for discussing the facts of the case with Dr. Baden. Baden's wife is Linda Baden, an attorney for the defense. I pointed out that IMO, it's unethical for Dr. Baden to comment about the case.

I sent a similar e-mail to Larry King.
Larry has interviewed Henry Lee, Kobilinski, etc. and presented them as if they are neutral observers. They are not neutral, they are working for the defense. In fact, last week Henry Lee told Larry that he was working Pro Bono. Since then, it's been revealed that the defense is being funded by a secret source.

I plan to send Geraldo an angry e-mail today. I was so angry with Geraldo's performance Friday, that I had to resist the temptation to throw my coffee mug thru the TV. I'm trying to compose my thoughts in a way that will convey my disgust.

Fox News obviously plans to sensationalize this case. By the time the case goes to trial, the potential jurors will be so confused by Larry, Geraldo and Greta, constantly attacking the procecution case, that I wouldn't be surprised if Casey is aquitted.

I remember the O.J. murder trial and how night after night, Geraldo had defense lawyers on his program attacking the procecution and the LAPD.
I remember during the Michael Jackson trial, that Geraldo accused the DA of having a vendetta against MJ and openly shilled for the defense.

I encourage everyone to let Fox News know just how disgusted we are with Gerald's constant attacks on LE and Greta's pretense that her buddies on the defense team are unbiased.
:cuss:

[joekuhl79]

I've been thinking about why C&G haven't visited liar in jail. I think it's because liar knew they would find out the truth and she figured once they did they would want nothing to do with her. Instead of letting them be in control of when they would stop talking to her she stopped all communication so SHE could be in control. She didn't want her parents thinking they were punishing her by stopping visitation with her so she stopped before they did. I don't think Baez is the one who stopped it. I think it was liar. Yes the family would spin it to make it seem like liar wanted all focus on Caylee but in reality it is just another of liars sick games. JMO. I'm writing this from my cell phone so if it looks whacky that's why. I've never posted like this before I don't think so we'll see how it turns out.

ITA 100%!! Cell phone post looks fine!

[joekuhl79]

Exactly, there would not have been such scrutiny on that trunk., I mean if you dump the body in the first few hours you hardly have any reason to have so many tests on the trunk. . So here is my question why do you think she took so long to dump the body? My theory is she was literally lazy and it was not important to her. She was busy with the boyfriend , busy shopping, busy at the bar and she would get to that when she got to it. Anybody else have a different theory as to why she waited so long?

I think you're exactly right. I'm attached to the theory that the only reason she DID dump the bag was because she ran out of gas and Tony was on his way...


About her backing the car into the garage the second time? I'll bet she was rebagging the bag that ripped....

[joekuhl79]

If they had any more prayers they'd levitate. 9/10ths of the population in this country is praying for those people. If only they loved that "little girl" before she died, as much as they "love" her now, Caylee would all excited and be waiting for Santa like all the other loved and protected children.

Hindsight = 20/20.

As much as a liar Liar was (and still is)...George and Cindy certainly could not have ever believed that Liar could be capable of killing Caylee. Jesse said something to that effect last night.

By all accounts, they did love Caylee...their family is disfunctional, sure - but then whose ISN'T in some way?

[joekuhl79]

I agree that this will hurt Baez's career , not that i think he is the boy wonder at this point or a notable of any kind but if he thinks this will make him soar to new heights, I don't believe it will. I was kind of thinking of Robert Shapiro and what made him so notable and such a big shot was his ability to spot a case that would be a good one to plea . And he plead out a lot of them. But he would see the cards on the table and then go to his client and get them the best deal. When OJ case came along as far as I am concerned , it reduced his credibility . He is now doing late night tv ads for some internet lawyer service. I don't think Baez is experienced or smart enough to mount a credible defense and he would be better off trying to get her to plea. But Casey of course who considers herself a top notch liar probably would not plea . I just heard Perper say that the water could have washed the prints off the tape , but another expert Baden said he doubted it would. I hope Baden is right. If her fingerprints are on that tape, her defense will go from the toilet to the sewer, so to speak in my opinion.

I'm pulling into McDonalds drivethrough in Orlando on December 1, 2009 - the guy in the speaker: "Hi, I'm Jose. Can I take your order?"

[Justice Denied?]

Remember Cindys statement that they had hired a PI who found out, everything Casey told them turned out to be true? And then of course George's statement early on they were watching the real kidnappers? Wonder what happened to this guy, Dominic Casey, ,not giving any interviews I see

The info about George saying their investigators were watching the real kidnappers was mentioned on Nancy Grace. If true, he could definitely be charged with interfering with a police investigation. He needs to get the names of those kidnappers to the defense team right away so they can start preparing Cassey's defense. LOL

[joekuhl79]

I think that Baez will try to get the judge to let Casey attend the funeral...If he wants to keep up the charade that his client is innocent he should. If a truly innocent woman was in jail and they found her baby dead she would be freaking out and demanding to be able to say good bye to her baby. IMO

I disagree...I think that Liar doesn't want to go, doesn't want to face her family, doesn't want to face the press and the public.

She'll say she wants to go, but can't because of the trouble it would cause.

[Justice Denied?]

So I'm thinking this morning while cleaning up the mess from knocking over my 64" fern :punch: what about the rest of the story? Why do we have to wait for the trial to hear it? Are we really to believe that there is another half? That someone is guilty of Caylee's murder, the defense knows about it, and that every day, hour, and minute that ticks by that person is escaping prosecution? Why is the defense aiding and abetting that person? How far out of the country is that person now?

My thinking exactly. George and Cindy know who the real kidnappers are. Their investigators know. Casey knows and Baez knows. Why doesn't someone tell the truth and get Casey out of this mess she's in?

Come on now! I was born at night, but not last night.

[Justice Denied?]

Well he did say Casey maintains her innocence and that we only know half of the story and of course the complaining that LE was taking too long and being to thorough with what he called the 'excavation' and why couldn't the defense look over their shoulder and throw in a few instructions while they worked. And of course he pouted like a child when the pastor told Casey , Caylee was officially dead. Because Jose wanted to tell her!

And isn't it interesting that neither Baez or any member of his team have been to the site where Caylee was found? If I understood correctly, they are saying itis too messed up for them to get any good evidence from it. I can hear it now. they were treated unfairly regarding the evidence, so Casey can't get a fair trial.

[POE-33]

My thinking exactly. George and Cindy know who the real kidnappers are. Their investigators know. Casey knows and Baez knows. Why doesn't someone tell the truth and get Casey out of this mess she's in?

Come on now! I was born at night, but not last night.

BINGO!!!!

It's obvious that G&C and Baez have been lying all along.
But don't hold your breath until Geraldo or Greta confront Baez about his inconsistences.

If Law enforcement fails to dot every I and cross every T, the talking heads on TV screem foul. The defense lawyers can make preposterous claims and blatant lies and they are just doing their job, creating reasonable doubt.
:mad:

[Justice Denied?]

No you may be right. And if that happens as it is my opinion that if for instance the forensics are a wash, the demeanor evidence, the behavior, the lies, the cadaver dogs and the human reaction to the smell in that car is going to get her anyway. I see great parallels to the Scott Peterson case, can you guys really say forensic evidence did him in? Nope. It was those lies. And in some ways this case has more suspicious and damning evidence. I mean they could not really place Laci dead in Scotts car or boat except for one mitro dna hair in the pliers which technincally could have come from her alive, technically, not probably but you know what I am saying, So I am not worried if he attacks the forensics, because to me there is plenty more. Scott remember looked up the tides and never looked up the word death , neck breaking, chloroform and death and inhalation, so Caseys's case has more evidence.

You make some awfully good points and make me feel more assured of seeing a conviction.

I did not follow the Scott Petersen case. Can't remember why. Must have been during the time I didn't have a computer. Did keep up with it on TV.

[Justice Denied?]

Jesse Grund is breaking my heart with his story about dressing up in the Santa suit for Caylee.

Loretta,

That really got to me too. One thing we can comfort ourselves with is the fact that little Caylee had a lot of love in her short life and a thousand times more in death.

I somehow think God did a good thing when he took her home instead of allowing her to live in that den of vipers.

:rose::rose::rose:

[Justice Denied?]

Yes it is heartbreaking and it is heartbreaking that they would try and implicate him when it obvious he cooperated from the get go and has nothing to hide. I am sure any statements he made about loving that child dearly were twisted as LP says. But it kind of makes no sense that you adore a child so you go out and kill her. What kind of motive would that be?

You said Jesse's statements about loving Caylee were twisted. Are they tring to make it into some perverted, sick sexual thing or what? I didn't get that part. If so, that is lower than low.

I thought they meant like "if I can't be part of her life, no one will."

How can they hurt others so badly?

[Amy]

I know this may sound harsh but I think it is unreasonable for the Anthonys to expect the public to pay for Caylee's funeral. First of all some mysterious benefactor is paying for Casey's defense, somebody else put them up in the Ritz and I am sure the trip to CA was not on their dime, now they want freebies to bury their grandchild as if they are idigent. I am completey for donations if someone can't really afford it but now they sound like a bunch of freeloaders. Sorry if I come off nasty or judgemental but I just feel that way. :shrug:

The trip to CA was on the dime of the producers or network of the LKL show. Those shows pay for the travel, hotel, and some meal expenses for the people they have on their shows.

on another board, there are folks who say that the funeral home would do it for free, if there was a problem. Others say that most funeral homes don't even charge for children (one poster's experience was that there is no charge for children 2 and under, and Caylee would certainly qualify for this age range, seeing as how she did not live to see her third birthday.) It sounds like having a plot would be the only expense involved.

Like you, I hate to sound harsh and uncaring, but for the rest of us, if all that we could afford would be the free funeral, and to buy a plot, that would have to suffice for the funeral of our loved one. If there are expenses that need to be covered, for CAYLEE's sake and memory, I'm betting the public would be willing to do something, but I'd for sure want to know the name of the funeral home so I could make sure any money I spent would actually be spent on expenses related to the funeral. I would NOT send money that the A's could get a hold of for their own use.

And, it seems that the Find Caylee Fund, or whatever it was called, the money in there was to be used for the burial expenses, if Caylee was found dead. I had read there was only $2000 (but, did not see a factual accounting, so it is "rumor") but still, $2000 can go a long way for a funeral where the normal expenses charged by a funeral home are not charged in the case of a child.

[Justice Denied?]

Jealousy is the recurring theme here. Everyone seems to be jealous of the people who care(d) about Caylee. Jesse is articulate and seems very honest about his feelings for Caylee and Casey both. Interesting that he doesn't relate to "this" Casey; the one in jail. Didn't Kiomarie say something along the same lines; that Casey didn't used to be this way?

Want to echo Justice Denied's good wishes on your dream of a career in law!

Everyone has been making some really good points, so I won't call names. I would like to know aboutwhat everyone thinks about when there became two Caseys and why. Did she have some sort of psychotic break or start using drugs or what? Would like to hear everyone's theory.

[Amy]

She assigned custody too late and yet I'm not sure that move would have been safe for Caylee either. I have such a strong urge to say, "Those people are nuts!" But I can't because the know right from wrong. Maybe their problem is genetic? How about, interbreeding? Maybe they are all on drugs? Or just simply no regard for human life? What a mystery!! Oh gosh I think someone put haterade in my coffee this morning.

They'll stand by her *WHATEVER* the truth is?????

Does anyone know what, "Bah Fongoul" means?

From the articles I have read, it seems she is the next of kin and did receive the remains of Caylee. She, being incarcerated, need to sign them over, and it seems she chose her parents to sign them over to. Some posters @ another board are insistant that the biodad needs to be found (@ the expense of LE) as HE would be the next, next of kin. But, the only next of kin that matters legally would be Casey, who is alive. So, she can sign the remains over to whomever she chooses.

And, people who have had the unfortunate experience of burying a loved one say that, on the price list @ the funeral homes THEY encountered, there is no charge for a child 2 and under. So, it there is NO CHARGE for the part the funeral home plays in a funeral, the only expenses would be to buy a plot for her remains.

Too bad some of the reporters don't look into this, and put THAT into their report, someone ask the attorneys (Baez and Conway) exactly WHAT expenses are not being covered that the A's want help with. Bet that would be an eye opener. It sounds like they expect that the public would not look into, or that no one in the public would have personal knowledge of, the fact that there will be no expeneses from the funeral home.

[beachbum]

I just got this last night when rewatching Casey in jail talking to George and Cindy. Never does she say I want my little girl back, she always says "we want our little girl back, we want our family back". She is speaking in 3rd person. In other cases it has been proven that when the person speaking speaks in 3rd person they are hiding something.....Susan Smith for one. Scott Peterson did too. Never once did he say I want Laci home he said "We want her home" Both found guilty of murder. (jmo)

[Avad1228]

Interesting comment, I wonder if that was true with the newly engaged Drew Peterson as well. I am still holding out hope that this was an accident somehow and then she freaked when Caylee was not breathing. I still dont see where they really prove that Casey did this crime. There is a Titanic size amount of info. that only a moron could think she did not do this-- I still think she will stick to the babysitter story. I wonder if that is why no death penalty. I will be thinking of this little girl as I enjoy Xmas eve with my 3 and 4 year old grandchildren. I hope Casey is finally hurting as she enjoys mystery meat in jail with no family or friends. I hope the jail does not give her special privledges this time.

[beachbum]

Interesting comment, I wonder if that was true with the newly engaged Drew Peterson as well. I am still holding out hope that this was an accident somehow and then she freaked when Caylee was not breathing. I still dont see where they really prove that Casey did this crime. There is a Titanic size amount of info. that only a moron could think she did not do this-- I still think she will stick to the babysitter story. I wonder if that is why no death penalty. I will be thinking of this little girl as I enjoy Xmas eve with my 3 and 4 year old grandchildren. I hope Casey is finally hurting as she enjoys mystery meat in jail with no family or friends. I hope the jail does not give her special privledges this time.

I wonder how she is coping with no partying, no sex, no beer, no friends. Im
sure she is delighted just to be in her "Casey" world but this is what brought her down so low that she took--killed her daughter away just for those few things. (sorry-she just gets on my nerves) jmo

PS Drew Peterson is a wolf in a sheepskin outfit. I hear he has a new girlfriend -I think if I was her I would be worried I might be his next victim. I read her dad is trying to steer her away from him. She is only 23 I think. (JMO)

[Justice Denied?]

I'm kind of interested in the virtual silence of the Anthonys. Yeah, I know, there was a statement, but not much of one...and the fact that it expressed nothing re: the offspring makes me wonder if they have withdrawn their support now that Caylee has been found.

Does anyone know if 1) Casey has to release the body into her parents custody (and if so, could she release it to someone else?) and 2) who authorizes the second autopsy? (I know its unlikely, but just as a legal matter, I wonder if the State can require that it be done if the defense motions for it...or if it is a private matter)

I think the main reason C & G don't visit is that it would all be by closed circuit tv and they know it would immediately make all the news networks. I think they've already had enough of that.

If it were my child, and i believed she was innocent, nothing could keep me away. Or even if she was guilty I would want her to know she had my love and support even though she must face what she's done and accept the consequences.

[Justice Denied?]

I know this may sound harsh but I think it is unreasonable for the Anthonys to expect the public to pay for Caylee's funeral. First of all some mysterious benefactor is paying for Casey's defense, somebody else put them up in the Ritz and I am sure the trip to CA was not on their dime, now they want freebies to bury their grandchild as if they are idigent. I am completey for donations if someone can't really afford it but now they sound like a bunch of freeloaders. Sorry if I come off nasty or judgemental but I just feel that way. :shrug:

Why can't they use some of the money that was donated to help find Caylee? They won't be looking for her any more>

[javahog]

The Anthonys have been trying to make money off the geath of this poor child from the beginning. It's outrageous!!!

I understand that George & Cindy solicited funds to help search for Caylee.
If that's true, it seems to me that they could be liable to a law suit.
:mad:

Since the "Find Caylee" fund paperwork said that the fund was established for both searching for her and burial if she was found deceased, why would they need to solicit more money??? Are we to believe that there is no money left in that fund? And if not, why? I find it hard to believe there is not 5 grand at least in the fund...:shrug:

[javahog]

Everyone has been making some really good points, so I won't call names. I would like to know aboutwhat everyone thinks about when there became two Caseys and why. Did she have some sort of psychotic break or start using drugs or what? Would like to hear everyone's theory.

I think there was a break, but what caused it...I had a neighbor who fried himself on drugs. Had been perfectly normal. When he had episodes, he thought Moses was telling him to kill us all (delightful, btw:chicken:). So he had a psychotic break, but it was from the drugs. So they are not mutually exclusive. But she was clearly more in control than my neighbor was, since she is coherent, yet makes no sense. But how odd is it to actually go to Universal knowing there is no way you are not going to be outed??? That is one of the oddest moves I've ever heard.

all imos...

[lorettalockhorn]

I know this may sound harsh but I think it is unreasonable for the Anthonys to expect the public to pay for Caylee's funeral. First of all some mysterious benefactor is paying for Casey's defense, somebody else put them up in the Ritz and I am sure the trip to CA was not on their dime, now they want freebies to bury their grandchild as if they are idigent. I am completey for donations if someone can't really afford it but now they sound like a bunch of freeloaders. Sorry if I come off nasty or judgemental but I just feel that way. :shrug:

It took me a long time to think about how I really feel about the Ants asking for the public to bury Caylee. I don't know if what folks say about <two years olds qualifying for no fee services, but that is a consideration that people should know before donating. Also, why can't the $$ from some of those Find Caylee funds be used? Especially the foundations or organizations where the Ants are the board of directors. Couldn't they simply vote to use those dollars for Caylee's funeral? Are they going to return donations that people made to find a live Caylee now that she is dead?

I have a horrible feeling that they want to make some sort of opulent shrine to this baby. The baby that they are continuing to dishonor by supporting Casey, her lies, and by not coming clean about their own lies.
A funeral doesn't have to be expensive and lavish to pay tribute to the loss of a loved one. It should be rich in honest sentiment.

RE: Casey going to the funeral; it would put a tremendous burden on the liabilities and responsibilities of LE; there has to be the nagging feeling that someone might go Jack Ruby on her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Someone posted about the bio father earlier (sorry, but I can't find it now). When Caylee's remains were turned over to Casey was the time for him to have been named. To not give him (IF he is living) the chance to bury his daughter is yet another insult to Caylee. And I don't think that he is dead, or Cindy would never have made the comment that he will never be known (after naming all those possibilities).

[javahog]

Someone posted about the bio father earlier (sorry, but I can't find it now). When Caylee's remains were turned over to Casey was the time for him to have been named. To not give him (IF he is living) the chance to bury his daughter is yet another insult to Caylee. And I don't think that he is dead, or Cindy would never have made the comment that he will never be known (after naming all those possibilities).

Maybe it was a backwards admission that the father is truly unknown. I find 2 things very hard to believe, though: 1) that Cindy would not have demanded to know who it was and 2) that LE isn't REAL interested in the identity. Also, if Jesse Grund was being fingered as a possible culprit, you'd think the biodad would also be "good" for it in their minds too, imo. I'll be shocked if the id doesn't come out. If it doesn't, I'll believe no one has a clue...poor kid, Caylee's life would have had a chance if Jesse Grund was her dad, I think.

[javahog]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9147957]

(snip) I have a horrible feeling that they want to make some sort of opulent shrine to this baby. The baby that they are continuing to dishonor by supporting Casey, her lies, and by not coming clean about their own lies.
A funeral doesn't have to be expensive and lavish to pay tribute to the loss of a loved one. It should be rich in honest sentiment.



Why did I just get an image of Anna Nichole's funeral when I read this? I hope not...

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe it was a backwards admission that the father is truly unknown. I find 2 things very hard to believe, though: 1) that Cindy would not have demanded to know who it was and 2) that LE isn't REAL interested in the identity. Also, if Jesse Grund was being fingered as a possible culprit, you'd think the biodad would also be "good" for it in their minds too, imo. I'll be shocked if the id doesn't come out. If it doesn't, I'll believe no one has a clue...poor kid, Caylee's life would have had a chance if Jesse Grund was her dad, I think.

I think LE IS interested. I think that's part of the reason that they waited for the results of the nuclear DNA to confirm Caylee's death. Plenty of folks believe Casey herself doesn't know (I've made the comment myself), and the guy may be impossible to find out, unless his DNA is in a database somewhere. And those searches can take forever.

I would think that the defense would at least be somewhat interested in finding out; if nothing else it would be another person to pin the murder on. Let's see. We have Zenaida, working with the help of the hapless meter reader so far. Why not throw another Bozo into the mix?

[javahog]

I think LE IS interested. I think that's part of the reason that they waited for the results of the nuclear DNA to confirm Caylee's death. Plenty of folks believe Casey herself doesn't know (I've made the comment myself), and the guy may be impossible to find out, unless his DNA is in a database somewhere. And those searches can take forever.

I would think that the defense would at least be somewhat interested in finding out; if nothing else it would be another person to pin the murder on. Let's see. We have Zenaida, working with the help of the hapless meter reader so far. Why not throw another Bozo into the mix?

Its a good thing there's dna technology now, or someone might claim the meter reader is the dad, lol!

I was thinking about Jesse saying that he wouldn't know this Casey, that she's another person. That can't be true, that there's a clean break between then and now. (not that he's lying, just that he doesn't see the connection) Against all logic and honesty, Casey said he was the dad. By dates it was simply impossible. (Not to mention that there had to be promiscuity to not know who it is )So that sounds just like what we've been seeing and hearing in those LE recordings. Maybe it wasn't as bad as now, but the signs were there, I think.

[Justice Denied?]

I'm pulling into McDonalds drivethrough in Orlando on December 1, 2009 - the guy in the speaker: "Hi, I'm Jose. Can I take your order?"

Ha! Ha! Ha! :biggrin::):biggrin: That is too funny! And of course that's assuming we've had a trial by then. I think the defense will stall as long as possible to let the publicity die down.

[lorettalockhorn]

Its a good thing there's dna technology now, or someone might claim the meter reader is the dad, lol!

I was thinking about Jesse saying that he wouldn't know this Casey, that she's another person. That can't be true, that there's a clean break between then and now. (not that he's lying, just that he doesn't see the connection) Against all logic and honesty, Casey said he was the dad. By dates it was simply impossible. (Not to mention that there had to be promiscuity to not know who it is )So that sounds just like what we've been seeing and hearing in those LE recordings. Maybe it wasn't as bad as now, but the signs were there, I think.

If Casey was already suffering from some low level depression or PPD (with a late onset and fueled by Cindy) and there was some traumatizing event (that we don't know about, or maybe it was the threat of having Caylee taken away by Cindy), I think it's very possible that she suddenly changed and that she is a very different girl than she used to be.

I don't necessarily think that her behavior was caused by drug abuse, even though G&C would probably have ignored that along with everything else they ignored, but I'm wondering and hoping if LE has been able to do some forensic accounting with regard to the thousands and thousands of dollars that Casey spent and has virtually nothing to show for (it). Maybe there is a clue to all of this in there somewhere. One of the shrink types suggested one of the mood disorders as possibly being an explanation for her behavior, but I'm darned if I can remember what it was, and I can't find my post about it.

[Justice Denied?]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9147957]

(snip) I have a horrible feeling that they want to make some sort of opulent shrine to this baby. The baby that they are continuing to dishonor by supporting Casey, her lies, and by not coming clean about their own lies.
A funeral doesn't have to be expensive and lavish to pay tribute to the loss of a loved one. It should be rich in honest sentiment.



Why did I just get an image of Anna Nichole's funeral when I read this? I hope not...

Oh, please God - not another spectacle like that! Please let this be quite, peaceful and dignified.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't you all think it's kinda strange and (in)convenient that the man who Casey claims is the father of Caylee, dies on his way to Caylee's birthday party??
I know many agree Caylee seems to be his , but after seeing him on his My Space page, I don't think so. I believe Casey would have applied for his SS if it were. I don't think she knows WHO it was, and using that excuse for her family shut them up, never to have questions about it again (so she thought). Does he not have a mom and dad? Maybe siblings? Yep, the LE would love to have a father to connect this case, but that is not going to happen....and WTH did Cindy not make it her business to find his family? Bet she didn't.

At trial, it would not suprise me if Baez claims she was raped and that is why there is 'no' father, and why C & G were vague whenever asked about it. Maybe he could even use it as a basis on why her old acquanitances claim the Casey they knew isn't the Casey everyone's been seeing for the past couple of years, and why she has psychological or emotional problems. Defense lawyers have and WILL use anything..we learned that from OJ and Scott P..........

Baez himself will use everything in the kitchen sink, but if he's going to cry the LE is inept, he'd better explain how the garbage bag they 'messed' up on was taken from next to the street to over 100 yard into the lot.

Hmmm?

So, you didn't like my Italian lesson?:shrug:

Didn't Jesus die months before Caylee's birthday?? Of course, just because dying on the way to the party was a lie doesn't mean that him being the father was a lie. It's hard to tell with these prevaricators; George specifically said that Caylee's father had never been a part of her life. So why would he have been coming to her party anyway?

The lesson was great!!! Amo tutte le cose italiano!!!!

But you forgot Casey's anthem:

È tutto di me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mu8shark]

I think there was a break, but what caused it...I had a neighbor who fried himself on drugs. Had been perfectly normal. When he had episodes, he thought Moses was telling him to kill us all (delightful, btw:chicken:). So he had a psychotic break, but it was from the drugs. So they are not mutually exclusive. But she was clearly more in control than my neighbor was, since she is coherent, yet makes no sense. But how odd is it to actually go to Universal knowing there is no way you are not going to be outed??? That is one of the oddest moves I've ever heard.

all imos...I don't think there was any break nor do I think she took drugs and it fried her brain. I think she is a sociopath and has always been one. It just took a while for it to manifest itself. Just like Bundy and the rest of these people, others think they are normal until they reveal their own particular brand of evil through a crime. Remember two of the signs of sociopaths are manipulation and superficial charm. Casey had these two qualities in triplicate. I was struck by how naive Jesse is. He admits she told him he was the father , yet he knew that she was too pregnant for it to be his baby, so while he could add, it did not occur to him that this girl routinely lied when she felt it benefitted her. People do that, because humans are basically good, they want to believe the best. And so when she lied,it was one lie, not a behavor pattern, but he has since learned. Here are a list of the other traits of sociopaths by the man who first defined them years and years ago, Dr Robert Hare, "manipulation, superficial charm, pathological lying, shallow emotions, impulsive nature, glibness, grandiose sense of self, lack of remorse, shame or guilt, lack of empathy, early behavioral problems and irresponsibliity. Two others are promiscious sexual behavior and lack of realistic life plan. Casey had all these in spades for years but because of the charm , the way she manipulated , the pathological lying which nobody seemed to call her on, she was able to fool a lot of people. I think we are looking for one single event, or several or drugs to excuse her, like one day she had none of these traits and the next day she did and that is not the way it works for sociopaths, the biggest trait they have is that they are very successful in being able to parrot normal behavior and boy could she do that. Remember her own mother defined her to a friend as a sociopath and Cindy has known her a while.

[mu8shark]

Its a good thing there's dna technology now, or someone might claim the meter reader is the dad, lol!

I was thinking about Jesse saying that he wouldn't know this Casey, that she's another person. That can't be true, that there's a clean break between then and now. (not that he's lying, just that he doesn't see the connection) Against all logic and honesty, Casey said he was the dad. By dates it was simply impossible. (Not to mention that there had to be promiscuity to not know who it is )So that sounds just like what we've been seeing and hearing in those LE recordings. Maybe it wasn't as bad as now, but the signs were there, I think. Java, aha I was not the only one that caught that, I completely agree, he just did not see the connection as a pattern, to this young, naive guy who probably is a good person himself, this was just one lie, right? He probably gave her the benefit of the doubt and thought she was scared and just wanted a daddy for her baby. Remember too that when Cindy called her a sociopath she has been around her long enough to see Caseys crap as a pattern, not a little lie here and there. I think this has been there for years , not the good Casey in April and suddenly in May , the bad Casey. She was able to fool people. Sociopaths are masters of this.

[mu8shark]

Academics calculate that sociopaths account for about 3-4% of the male population and less than 1% of the female population. Professor Robert Hare from the University of British Columbia is one the world's experts on sociopaths and psychopaths. He writes of people "completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others".

He describes how "they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret".

Such people are, however, very difficult to spot.

In her book The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless vs. the Rest of Us, American clinical psychologist Dr Martha Stout explains why she thinks this is:

Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless. You are not held back from any of your desires by guilt or shame, and you are never confronted by others for your cold-bloodedness. The ice water in your veins is so bizarre, so completely outside of their personal experience that they seldom even guess at your condition. More from Dr Hare According to Dr. Robert Hare in his book "Without Conscience", the ability to feel empathy is tied to the ability to feel real love since empathy is a prerequisite for love. Thankfully, only a small number of sociopaths will ever commit a crime; the vast majority of them will show their lack of empathy by bleeding people of their possessions and savings, doing and taking what they want, neglecting the physical and emotional welfare of their families or engaging in an unending series of casual sexual relationships.(Hare p45).

Sociopaths do not have the ability to experience emotion and do not form real attachments to people and places. Without the ability to form real emotional attachments, sociopaths do not have any sense of obligation-no moral obligation or financial obligation. They view people as objects that can be exploited and manipulated. "A sociopath is someone who 'fails to conform to social norms'; or who is 'never monogamous' or who 'fails to honor financial obligations' for the straightforward reason that an obligation of any kind is something one feels toward beings, or toward a group of beings, who matter emotionally. And to a sociopath, we simply do not matter". (Dr. Stout p126)

I learned that sociopaths learn to imitate the behavior of others so they can appear to be normal. The appearance of normalcy is important to sociopaths and can result from their level of intelligence, their family background, their professional or social standing and their social skills.

Lying is second nature to sociopaths. In 'Without Conscience', Dr. Hare says that "lying, deceiving and manipulation are natural talents for psychopaths. When caught in a lie or challenged by the truth, they are seldom perplexed or embarrassed - they simply change their stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory statements and a thoroughly confused listener". Sociopaths will lie and cheat to deceive for money, power, control and sex. They seldom stick around to have their lies exposed; instead, they move on to a new neighborhood or city. The lying and deception, the manipulation and conning are pervasive.

I learned that sociopaths are impulsive and don't spend much time considering the consequences of their actions. According to Dr. Hare "the psychopath carries out his evaluation of a situation - what he will get out of it and at what costs - without the usual anxieties, doubts and concerns about being humilitated, causing pain, sabotaging future plans..." These are the things that people of conscience struggle with when considering possible actions. Sociopaths know the rules but choose which ones to follow. "They have little resistance to temptation and their transgressions elicit no guilt" (Dr. Hare p76). Often times, sociopaths are protected from the consequences of their behavior by family members, friends and colleagues.

Socipaths are often glib when questioned about their behavior. They are famous for not answering the question asked them or they answer in a way to confuse the questioner. Their answers can often seem unresponsive to the question (Hare p139)

I learned from reading Dr. Stout's book 'The Sociopath Next Door', that those without conscience engage in certain techniques to 'keep us in line'. The techniques that Dr Stout talks about in her book are charm, risk-taking, gaslighting and seduction. Sociopaths can instantly recognize someone who is trusting and have the uncanny ability to determine a person's weak spots very quickly. Those weak spots will be exploited over and over and over again.

Millions of men, women and children are impacted daily by the sociopaths in their lives. Sociopaths can cause great pain, anxiety, terror and humiliation. They can make a good impression when needed and often portray their victims as the culprits.

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I disagree...I think that Liar doesn't want to go, doesn't want to face her family, doesn't want to face the press and the public.

She'll say she wants to go, but can't because of the trouble it would cause.

Oh I agree with you liar doesn't want to go to the funeral but if BS doesn't make an attempt to have the judge allow it I think it will make her look even more guilty (if that is possible) imo

[lorettalockhorn]

Excellent, Loretta! Betcha Baez is thinking along those lines also!

Also, don't forget that she wasn't working those 8 hours, so that gave her 8 hours more to blow $...shop, eat out...who knows What she was doing everyday for those 2 1/2 years. I'd like to know!

So can The State order psychological testing? Do they want to, or would that somehow excuse Casey's behavior? If the defense has her tested, won't the results be part of discovery?

hehehe We should have a pool as to what the results of an MMPI would look like.

Oh I agree with you liar doesn't want to go to the funeral but if BS doesn't make an attempt to have the judge allow it I think it will make her look even more guilty (if that is possible) imo

Totally agree. Can't believe he hasn't done it already.

[Gatordog]

Caylee's remains were released today to a funeral home and a second examination will take place.

Baez wants photos of bones immediately. The DA said what's the rush, second autopsy can be done without photos. The was a bit of emails exchanged. Finally Baez said he would file a motion and he did. The judge gave the DA 14 days. If Baez would have waited till the DA was ready, it probably would have been much sooner than that. Now he has to wait two weeks.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I sort of find it interesting. But I think people who left the toys they really wanted them to be for Caylee and not other children. I do think it is good the toys will be give to the organization but organization could reject them for different reasons. Many organizations like that only accept new toys with proof the toys are new and this organization could feel weird and keep other kids from having the toys.

They left the toys which had anything pinned to them such as a card, photo or poem. The were checking the toys as they loaded them into the vans and seem to be taking only those that were new, as some did seem old. I had mixed feelings about this - I didn't want to see the toys rot on the side of the road and the memorial is just to the side of someone's home. But I don't think I could have accepted any of them, but I guess if I had a child with nothing for Christmas, I might think otherwise. They've been showing news clips of the children getting the toys and they were thrilled, and there were parents who were crying.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Completely OT; found this short interview with Linda Kenney and Michael Baden:

http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400095612&view=qa

[Gatordog]

WKMG Just released the first 911 call made be Kronk. He decribes seeing a usupicious bag which he did not touch, a fallen tree whci looks like someone tried to cut into it and what sounded like "a white bow with something under it".

The other calls will be released by the station later. Maybe 6 pm new.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Atsa Veddy Good! LOL!!! If my grandmother knew about this case, she'd spit on the ground at the mention of her name. Then she'd call it what it is. Bigga buncha sheetta! Sonamabeecha! ;)

My grandma would would have told my brothers to "staya away fromma thatta one - she sly like a fox - que buttana. Skivoona.

Gator

[mu8shark]

Yep, read both books and saw Casey toying with her parent's heads in the jail videos. She fits the symptoms very well. My problem is, those who knew the other Casey Anthony, claim she was loving and doted on Caylee in the past. I do know sociopaths get tired of things quickly and like to stir the ****e for excitement. How bored WAS SHE?I think that when she met Tony and he told her she could stay with him but not Caylee and her Mom was showing signs of demanding Casey own up and watch her own child , it set the wheels in motion. I think she was able to act the good mother. Marie Hilley who poisoned her own daughter for insurance money was known as a good and loving mother by all but when she needed money, that was the catalyst. In Caseys case, it was not a financial catalyst, I think she saw great husband potential in Tony and Caylee was in the way. I do not think she had some sudden psychotic break. Her internet searches two months prior do not jibe with a sudden psychotic break as some have suggested.

[Gatordog]

Maybe it was a backwards admission that the father is truly unknown. I find 2 things very hard to believe, though: 1) that Cindy would not have demanded to know who it was and 2) that LE isn't REAL interested in the identity. Also, if Jesse Grund was being fingered as a possible culprit, you'd think the biodad would also be "good" for it in their minds too, imo. I'll be shocked if the id doesn't come out. If it doesn't, I'll believe no one has a clue...poor kid, Caylee's life would have had a chance if Jesse Grund was her dad, I think.

I've had a few thoughts about this - perhaps Cindy thought Jesse was the father until the DNA test proved otherwise a few months after the birth. By then, Cindy thought of the child as her own and thought it best not to have to share her with another family. Eve if theybthought it was true that her father had died, you would think that they would have told the Liar to apply for SS unless they really didn't believe that line of BS.

Now that I'm off medication, I can join in on the haterade! Just broke open someone's Christmas gift and enoying it now. Good thing I buy extra presents. :tongue:

Gator

[Gatordog]

Jealousy is the recurring theme here. Everyone seems to be jealous of the people who care(d) about Caylee. Jesse is articulate and seems very honest about his feelings for Caylee and Casey both. Interesting that he doesn't relate to "this" Casey; the one in jail. Didn't Kiomarie say something along the same lines; that Casey didn't used to be this way?

Want to echo Justice Denied's good wishes on your dream of a career in law!

If I remember correctly on the first Dr. Phil regarding this case, Dr. Phil stated that sociopaths usually break out or develope full blown in their late teens to early twenties.

Gator

[mu8shark]

I've had a few thoughts about this - perhaps Cindy thought Jesse was the father until the DNA test proved otherwise a few months after the birth. By then, Cindy thought of the child as her own and thought it best not to have to share her with another family. Eve if theybthought it was true that her father had died, you would think that they would have told the Liar to apply for SS unless they really didn't believe that line of BS.

Now that I'm off medication, I can join in on the haterade! Just broke open someone's Christmas gift and enoying it now. Good thing I buy extra presents. :tongue:

GatorI am sure Casey did not tell her Mom she was pregnant right away and so CIndy probably thought it was Jesse. In fact she testified to that at the bond hearing. I was thinking that if in the argument with Cindy , Cindy told Casey she was not going to support her anymore but would make a move to get custody of Caylee, it was all the more reason for Casey to attach herself to Tony, after all, this girl did not like to work so her support was drying up. I also saw on another message board that Casey lost her job at Kodak because she was partying and missed work a lot. If that is the case, she was not the goodie goodie, Jesse thought as far back as 2006