Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[mu8shark]

I see it differently; the Four Finger Family knew that they would be recorded, and they had the whole kidnapping and key skit planned and simply acted it out for the camera. There is no way that they didn't discuss this business privately before Casey was arrested.
Loretta, the four finger family?? You kill me girl. That is too funny and I am in danger of being in a good mood!! LOL

[Justice Denied?]

Maybe it was a drowning while Casey was busy on her cell phone or some such. I want to know how LP is getting all this info that no one else has.

[mu8shark]

Has there been any connection made between the meter reader and the Ant's?



It seems rather odd that he reported that area to be checked in August... AND the one who found the remains...Just out of the blue? I understand KioMarie Cruz suggesting the area since they played there as kids.. But a 'complete stranger' suggesting the same area? What are the odds? Janie Weintraub thought it suspicious he was in the same area twice but I guess she does not get that this is his beat and if he smelled or saw something in Aug and he kept saw the bag again or one like it he probably wanted to see if there was anything to it. I don't think this meter reader is going to suddenly become the killer in the minds of a reasonable jury. Not saying you are saying that but some of these defense talking heads are spouting some dumb stuff. The first time LE came the meter reader was not there to meet them, so they moved on. The second time they apparently looked at the tip, said dogs were in the general area before and the third time they are not sure of. This guy visits this area probably routinely and he probably whizzes in a certain area, those woods. I see my meter guy a few times a year, same dude. So for Janie to think it is weird he was there in Aug and then in Dec, she is out of the meter reader loop.!!!

[mu8shark]

loretta, you're one smart chicklet..........There is no way of knowing if the bag is the same bag found last Thursday. If anyone catches Jessica D'Onfrio, she took the walk, 7 min. from the Anthony's house to the sidewalk parallel to the find. Thereafter, another hundred feet in was the bag. LE states they are finding bones all the way the He** back in, as far as 1/2 acre. That seems reasonable, due to scavengers. But it's totally ludacris to even think that the same bag was on the side of the damn road with her body in it. Even if it were someone other than Casey, and the prints will prove it either way, she would not have just been left on the sidewalk... She would have been hidden most likely, even if by palmetto trees. Um..the idea was to hide the dirty deed..

The bag could have even been dragged by dogs! Aug 20th came Fay, and waist deep water.....

I also do not put one iota of faith into this marallena woman who said the pic is that spot. Too many questions.

The defense is scratching at all four walls to just try to keep up with this evidence that they know is going to sink them....Let them say LE is mishandling the evidence, the bag was put there by the real murderer, whatever. It's all going to be proven it was Casey. She made too many mistakes.I agree with every single word of this post. When they find her prints on that tape and I do not see a way they won't. Yikes, all bets are off, the defense will have to point to a county wide conspiracy to get her off, cops, meter reader, tow yard guy, cadaver dogs , all in on conspiracyl LOL. Also I wonder if there might be hairs and fibers on that tape. You know how duct tape is and if a hair of Caseys in found on that tape with her fingerprints. Bad news.

[mu8shark]

Maybe it was a drowning while Casey was busy on her cell phone or some such. I want to know how LP is getting all this info that no one else has.Naw, what are the odds two months earlier she is online looking at missing childrens sites, chloroform, death by inhalation, neck breaking, homemade weapons and bingo her child accidentally drowns. And somehow, coincidentally they trunk is saturated with chloroform. So Yay now she goes out and parties. No if it had been an accident, I think Casey would have loved the attention a grieving mommy would get. I know that sounds sick. But naw, I don't think she drown.JMO

[mu8shark]

Not sure about Morgan; if there isn't any new news in the case, the Anthonys should be expected to show up. Although it would be a nice gesture for him to offer to re-schedule. But then you have to ask; when the heck is their life going to be normal any time in the near future??

As for the defense trying to link Meter reader Gonzales to Zenaida Gonzales; it will be even more incumbent upon them to produce her. I'm thinking that it cannot be done. Yeah can you just see this?"This man is a direct agent of Zenaida Gonzalez." Which one? "Don't know." Where does she live? "Um NC, Ny, NY, FL. Puerto Rico. " Do you have a phone number for her?"It was disconnected, can't recall it."

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Do I hear music? http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/character/character0093.gif

Well, I hope Zani had a key to the car also, cause she will need it to make the story work. Someone had to put the baby in the trunk then out again to get dumped in that field.

Is that verse 2 of your little ditty?

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree with every single word of this post. When they find her prints on that tape and I do not see a way they won't. Yikes, all bets are off, the defense will have to point to a county wide conspiracy to get her off, cops, meter reader, tow yard guy, cadaver dogs , all in on conspiracyl LOL. Also I wonder if there might be hairs and fibers on that tape. You know how duct tape is and if a hair of Caseys in found on that tape with her fingerprints. Bad news.

Yep. That duct tape could match up with a roll from the Ants' or Amy's roll. And it could have fingerprints, or teeth marks, or could match the serration on the steak knife found in Casey's car. Plus there are items found at the scene of the remains that link directly to the Anthonys' house. Items that I'll warrant the Anthonys never reported stolen or missing (what with Zanny having a key and all).

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Thanks! I must have heard incorrectly. My point was it just sickens me to think of that little body being scattered over an acre or more. They will probably never find it all and as a grandparent, that would kill me.

[Twinners]

Did investigators find Caylee Anthony's book at search site?

OrlandoSentinel.com
9:13 PM EST, December 18, 2008

Is it Caylee's book?

One of the 171 crime scene photos released Thursday by the Orange County Sheriff's Office shows something that appears to be a book. The sheriff's office would not comment on the photo. Here's a photo of Caylee reading a book in a video shot June 15 -- shortly before she disappeared. (ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE / December 18, 2008)

On a day filled with developments in the case of missing toddler Caylee Marie Anthony -- including news that the man who discovered human remains last week called in the same tip three times in August -- a single photograph brought forth as many questions as it answered.

Did investigators searching a wooded area for skeletal remains possibly also find a book that Caylee liked to read?

One of the 171 photos released Thursday by investigators shows a slight opening in the brush -- and what appears to be a hard-cover book. (Click here to see the photos)

To some observers, that object appears similar to a book that Caylee is seen reading on a video made by her grandparents, the last visual evidence of the toddler before she was reported missing in July.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-book-121808,0,4733443.story

Would KC really be stupid enough to put all of Caylee's things with her?

[samanthajane13]

"Well, I hope Zani had a key to the car also, cause she will need it to make the story work. Someone had to put the baby in the trunk then out again to get dumped in that field.

Is that verse 2 of your little ditty?"






ZANNY HAD A KEY!!!!! http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p273/samanthajane13/Avatars/wild.gif

[brandy]

Janie Weintraub thought it suspicious he was in the same area twice but I guess she does not get that this is his beat and if he smelled or saw something in Aug and he kept saw the bag again or one like it he probably wanted to see if there was anything to it. I don't think this meter reader is going to suddenly become the killer in the minds of a reasonable jury. Not saying you are saying that but some of these defense talking heads are spouting some dumb stuff. The first time LE came the meter reader was not there to meet them, so they moved on. The second time they apparently looked at the tip, said dogs were in the general area before and the third time they are not sure of. This guy visits this area probably routinely and he probably whizzes in a certain area, those woods. I see my meter guy a few times a year, same dude. So for Janie to think it is weird he was there in Aug and then in Dec, she is out of the meter reader loop.!!!

I see your point.. and no I dont think he will suddenly become the Killer- we know whos guilty of that!


I suppose I am out of the meter reader loop also! :shrug:

[mu8shark]

I see your point.. and no I dont think he will suddenly become the Killer- we know whos guilty of that!


I suppose I am out of the meter reader loop also! :shrug:LOL sorry if I sounded sarcastic. I only know this since I have a dog and he hates trucks, postal trucks, fed ex , garbage trucks you name it, and when the gas meter guy comes he acts like it is Satan's truck. It is very embarassing and although I have not seen the guy every single month , I have seen him at least twice this year, so I think they have routes because one guy knows the area really well and can do it quickly. The meter guy is really great about it.! He just laughs.

[mu8shark]

Well, I still resent the fact that they are staying at the Ritz and eating $100 dinners. But that's just me.I hearya on this, tonight I had macaroni and cheese and hotdogs and I think I am probably sleeping on two count sheets or something like that.

[brandy]

LOL sorry if I sounded sarcastic. I only know this since I have a dog and he hates trucks, postal trucks, fed ex , garbage trucks you name it, and when the gas meter guy comes he acts like it is Satan's truck. It is very embarassing and although I have not seen the guy every single month , I have seen him at least twice this year, so I think they have routes because one guy knows the area really well and can do it quickly. The meter guy is really great about it.! He just laughs.

No you werent sarcastic- I know what you mean- I have a wiener dog that HATES anyone that isnt family. Shes very protective!

[mu8shark]

No you werent sarcastic- I know what you mean- I have a wiener dog that HATES anyone that isnt family. Shes very protective!Mine is a cocker spaniel and he is okay with the people , he just barks his head off at trucks. The other one a beagle/lab mix is the most laid back dog in the world, you could swing her by her feet and she would just go with the flow!

[samanthajane13]

Remember-she's been under psychiatric observation.

She has no organic brain disease that I'm aware of-just personality disorders UP THE BUTT!!

I'm sure at some point that they'll have her get a full evaluation, though.

[joekuhl79]

From the OS article...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-121808,0,787819.story
Tipster reported gray bag in August
5:19p.m.

In August, the meter reader called the Crimline tip line and the Orange County Sheriff's Office to report that a gray bag was on the "right side of the road" near Hopespring and Suburban drives.

Wasn't Caylee's remains found in a black bag?


This is really odd...


My first thought on this was that LE is fabricating something to show that the bag was not just recently dumped there, to counter what is being claimed about the area being searched, etc.

My second thought was now BS and his 'ream team' are going to go to town with this. Even I'm suspicious now of this meter reader!

For now, my thinking is that the bag meter reader reported in August was actually just a garbage bag that some idiot dumped, or fell out of a truck or something. LE comes out to investigate, finds it is actually trash.

But what a crazy coincidence that meter reader, in about the same spot, finds another garbage bag four months later, but this time is the 'right' bag?

[applesandorange]

Well, I'd like to say that I wouldn't think Casey would leave Caylee's book with her, but I can't, because...

she's an ignorant twit who chloroformed her child to death instead of getting a real babysitter ~

My point though, is that the picture in the orlandosentinel looks like the same damn book with her in that picture! Look at the close ups of the graphics, they are so close, from what can be seen. The color is off in both photos, but you can tell the pages are light, and look to be similar in color.

Some coincidence. I always thought one big mistake though, was that Casey did not make her favorite doll/stuffed animal disappear also... leaving it in the car was a very obvious red flag!

Does anyone know where to view more of the 171 photos out there?

I too think it looks like the same book. Remember Casey telling the cops about the phone call she supposedly got from Caylee? She said Caylee was telling her about that book. She said Caylee just kept talking about that book, telling her the story. Hmmmm....there's always a kernel of truth in every one of her lies.

[joekuhl79]

Well, I'd like to say that I wouldn't think Casey would leave Caylee's book with her, but I can't, because...

she's an ignorant twit who chloroformed her child to death instead of getting a real babysitter ~

My point though, is that the picture in the orlandosentinel looks like the same damn book with her in that picture! Look at the close ups of the graphics, they are so close, from what can be seen. The color is off in both photos, but you can tell the pages are light, and look to be similar in color.

Some coincidence. I always thought one big mistake though, was that Casey did not make her favorite doll/stuffed animal disappear also... leaving it in the car was a very obvious red flag!

Does anyone know where to view more of the 171 photos out there?

I agree with you...that definitely looks to be the same book...different pages in the pics, but it's the same cat...

[samanthajane13]

"I too think it looks like the same book. Remember Casey telling the cops about the phone call she supposedly got from Caylee? She said Caylee was telling her about that book. She said Caylee just kept talking about that book, telling her the story. Hmmmm....there's always a kernel of truth in every one of her lies."

Knowing Casey, and how self-centered she is, she probably thought she'd give the book a good toss into the bushes and never have to hear about it again.

She probably tossed Caylee's belongings all over the place.

What ever happened to the doll-was that in the car or is it missing??? I really don't remember reading much about it.

[joekuhl79]

"I too think it looks like the same book. Remember Casey telling the cops about the phone call she supposedly got from Caylee? She said Caylee was telling her about that book. She said Caylee just kept talking about that book, telling her the story. Hmmmm....there's always a kernel of truth in every one of her lies."

Knowing Casey, and how self-centered she is, she probably thought she'd give the book a good toss into the bushes and never have to hear about it again.

She probably tossed Caylee's belongings all over the place.

What ever happened to the doll-was that in the car or is it missing??? I really don't remember reading much about it.

Caylees doll and her car seat were still in the car...

[applesandorange]

"I too think it looks like the same book. Remember Casey telling the cops about the phone call she supposedly got from Caylee? She said Caylee was telling her about that book. She said Caylee just kept talking about that book, telling her the story. Hmmmm....there's always a kernel of truth in every one of her lies."

Knowing Casey, and how self-centered she is, she probably thought she'd give the book a good toss into the bushes and never have to hear about it again.

She probably tossed Caylee's belongings all over the place.

What ever happened to the doll-was that in the car or is it missing??? I really don't remember reading much about it.


The doll was found in the car.

[samanthajane13]

Okay-wasn't sure about the doll.

SO MANY DETAILS TO THIS CASE-and me with a case of CRS disease-LOL!

Thanks much, Joe!

[samanthajane13]

And the defense team changes more often than my beagle snores...all the people who've left-and all the new people...you need a list to keep everyone straight.

That doesn't help the CRS disease...

[applesandorange]

And the defense team changes more often than my beagle snores...all the people who've left-and all the new people...you need a list to keep everyone straight.

That doesn't help the CRS disease...


I know what you mean lol.

[samanthajane13]

Yeah-just when I think I have all my ducks in a row, they throw NEW DETAILS at us, and it knocks everything else out of sequence in my brain.

[lorettalockhorn]

This has to be one of the, if not THE most convoluted case in history. (At least to the recollection of my feeble mind.)

It seems like that book would have been pretty well destroyed by the elements. I wonder if it was also in a bag and if LE is examining all the trash in the area; it seemed pretty littered according to the Fox video.

Hope we can get some more details about where the cadaver dogs searched. Maybe now that they have sectors assigned, we can find that out. Wonder when we'll see marallena's pix and what sector they were take at/in.

[applesandorange]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18311441/detail.html

[applesandorange]

Caylee Updates: Friday, December 19, 2008
Current mood: hopeful




Website(s) / Media:
The www.helpfindcaylee.com site has been restored, please keep up-to-date by visiting the website.

Caylee was the topic on Dr. Phil today. Go to www.drphil.com for more information. Guests included: Michelle Bart, co-spokesperson for Anthony family and Caylee Marie.

Caylee Tips:
cayleetips@yahoo.com

Recent Developments:
"Until proven otherwise our team will not give up on hope or give up on Caylee Marie. Despite the findings a week ago, we owe it to Caylee Marie to hang onto HOPE until we have the full report from authorities." - Michelle

[samanthajane13]

WTFlock!!!!


"Until proven otherwise our team will not give up on hope or give up on Caylee Marie. Despite the findings a week ago, we owe it to Caylee Marie to hang onto HOPE until we have the full report from authorities." - Michelle"


These people are DELUSIONAL!!!

[sharlock]

I noticed that there is a part of the photo (the one from the spot where they found CAylees body and you can see a book) where a rain spot has clouded out the background somewhat but I would bet my house that that is a nappy in that shot unless the size is really much smaller than what it appears to be.
I tried to post the pic but I can't seem to manage it unfortunately.
BTW Thankyou for your kind comment earlier mu8shark I would love to be on a jury with you too!

[sharlock]

We will pick and choose and possibly give you pictures that we think are relevant and that we think you might possibly need in order to do your case. But we`re not going to go ahead and give you pictures that could possibly make it on to the news.

This statement by the LE taken from a NG transcript lends more weight to the idea that the photo showed pics of the book and of maybe a nappy imo.

[sharlock]

Night everyone! Hopefully we will get confirmation on Caylee soon.

[crowamongdoves]

I just seen on the local channel 13 a reporter stated that LIAR will be the first person notified if the remains are that of Caylee Marie, because she is next of kin,:wish we could see the look on LIAR's face when she is notified.

[POE-33]

I heard on TV this morning (I think it was Headline News Channel) that the meter reader will speak about finding the bag today.
I assume that means that he will take questions from the Press, although they didn't specify how he will speak out.

I don't see anything strange about how he found the body.
His route puts him in the vicinity on a regular basis.
The vacant lot is a large lot of several acres, covered with thick foliage and weeds and trees.
People often throw trash in the vacant lot.

In August he spotted a garbage bag and notified LE.
LE checked out the bag and it was just trash.
A week later, a hurricane passed through the area and the lot was under knee-deep water until a few weeks ago.
Last week, the meter reader was working in the area and walked back into the lot and spotted another garbage bag. This time he opened the bag before calling LE.
:shrug:

[browneyes106]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28269667/

Article about one of the contributors to Casey's jail account

[Lodi]

Why did NG say, If they have pictures of the body, I will not let them be shown on my show. Would that screw up the trial? Why?

Mornin everyone!

I would guess that someone who had control over NG told her not to show pictures of that sort. It would make many people mad and hurt her ratings. It would also be an insult to the child who once lived in the body.

[Lodi]

I heard on TV this morning (I think it was Headline News Channel) that the meter reader will speak about finding the bag today.
I assume that means that he will take questions from the Press, although they didn't specify how he will speak out.

I don't see anything strange about how he found the body.
His route puts him in the vicinity on a regular basis.
The vacant lot is a large lot of several acres, covered with thick foliage and weeds and trees.
People often throw trash in the vacant lot.

In August he spotted a garbage bag and notified LE.
LE checked out the bag and it was just trash.
A week later, a hurricane passed through the area and the lot was under knee-deep water until a few weeks ago.
Last week, the meter reader was working in the area and walked back into the lot and spotted another garbage bag. This time he opened the bag before calling LE.
:shrug:

I agree with you. He did exactly what any concientious person should have done. Each time he came upon a stinking garbage bag, he called the police. Since he worked in the vicinity of the Anthony's home, it makes total sense for him to be on the lookout for such things.

[joekuhl79]

I just seen on the local channel 13 a reporter stated that LIAR will be the first person notified if the remains are that of Caylee Marie, because she is next of kin,:wish we could see the look on LIAR's face when she is notified.

There will be no 'look'...LIAR knows it's Caylee because SHE HERSELF put her there. She already had the anxiety attack of "they found her and all the evidence that links me to her", but she's moved on already. I guarantee that she'll feign some tears to make it look good though...

[samanthajane13]

"How about, maybe she's got a little brain virus? "

HUH???

A good course of meds would probably take care of that unless it like Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome, terminal Neurosyphillis or something like that.

And there's no evidence of any debilitating illness.

There would have been neurological symptoms, etc.

It ain't happenin'.

[One2Snoop]

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Something is wrong with my computer. My links won't open when I click on them. My daughter was here yesterday downloading music. Could this have something to do with it? Anyone with an idea how to fix it?

[samanthajane13]

"Sam, how will they define her cpacity to think normally once they prove she killed the child? If they determine that her motive was to get her out of the way so she could spend time alone with her guy, or that she did it spontainiously and unconciously to hurt Cindy, or to party, then I ask, "Where in the catagory of normal as opposed to insane, can this liar's mind be?" I'm not saying anything here to dispute other theories or to argue, I'm simply stumped about how they don't consider her insane.

What (do you think) they will use as a defense?"


Okay-first and foremost, I'm NOT a psychologist or a lawyer, but I think there's a pretty good system in place to determine these things.

If it were me, and I were with the prosecution, I'd go after her mental health history and school records. I'd check out if she had any behavior issues while she was in school, and I'd check her standardized tests, including IQ.

I'd also have a new IQ test run for comparison, and see if she tries to deliberately fudge the results-which I think she just might try.

I'd request an-MMRP-Minnesota Multiphasic (can't remember the rest of the name) test-which measures border-line personality disorders and behavioral issues.

That single test alone is almost impossible to fudge-and yields very definitive results. It's a HUGE LONG EXAM-I've taken it myself when I was being treated for depression. They take several of the questions and re-word them many times, sometimes by just changing a circumstance in the question, and it's a scale-answer type test.

There's not much "yes\no" or "true\false" to it. Most of the answer blocks range from "not applicable" to "never" to "always"-or something similar to that-like a scale of 1 to 10.

As I said-by the time you finish the exam, you've answered the same questions at least 4 or 5 times, and if you vary the answers at all-they have you nailed.

I'm sure there's a whole battery of tests I've never heard of or been exposed to, and I'm sure they'll run as many as possible to prove that she's not nuts, and that she's perfectly capable of knowing what she did was wrong and that she's able to assist in her own defense.

We know all her other brushes with the law have been minor-until the forgery and Caylee's murder, so it's not like she has a history of this type of thing.

An insanity just ain't gonna work for her.

[Justice Denied?]

Well, my computer decided to try to commit suicide last night, so I had to play catch-up today. Gator, you take care of yourself. I've been there myself, about 10 years ago I was diagnosed with Colitis. Learned real quick to take better care of myself, and no symptoms for over 5 years.
I'm a little bit concerned with the sheriff's office making statements to the press. I know that they are trying like heck to keep everyone up to the minute with the information coming in at hyper speed, but I'm so afraid that they are going to say something and someone will hear it and when this goes to trial that the statement will come back to haunt them, and there will be room for reasonable doubt.
I'm also sitting here on pins and needles waiting for the absolute identification of the remains so everything can proceed forward.
Thanks for the hot Haterade, I'll be needing it more than ever tonight and tomorrow with the "ice storm" and 6" of snow heading my way, or so the weatherpeople say.

Just thought I would let you know that the lawn maintenance people for the complex where I live just showed up to mow the lawn. It is about 60 degrees.:)

[samanthajane13]

"Just thought I would let you know that the lawn maintenance people for the complex where I live just showed up to mow the lawn. It is about 60 degrees."

Yeah-just rub it in.

Buffalo is getting lake-effect snow and possible white-out conditions later today. It's cold as a witch's-what's-it.

And I have to trek out to Mom's to help her prepare for the holidays.

[Justice Denied?]

I don't think so either. I think the Grunds got turned off by the Anthonys after awhile. Richard said that he was upset with how Cindy handled the incident when Casey stole from Jesse.

Richard also got very upset when Cindy tried to insinuate that Jesse was involvedin Caylee's disappearance. That's when he stated he would answer any questions he was asked about the Anthony family. Apparantly Casey talked quite a bit about the family dynamics while she was at the Grunds house.

[lorettalockhorn]

Me either... I wondered, why he didn't approach the bag and or open it at the time he first saw it. Just get out of the truck, get the bag, open it and then call the police. Unless he watches courtv as much as we do, which would have made him cautious about touching it. :shrug:

I can understand why he didn't open it (I guess), but what I don't understand is that if it was so odoriferous/suspicious he didn't wait for the deputy the first time.

Poe's post makes perfect sense. The incident could have been gnawing at him all these months, but the flood waters would have made it difficult or impossible to search for the bag himself. Again, I don't understand why he wasn't riding the OCSO to find out the outcome of his report.

When the bag was first reported, wasn't it described as opaque? Then didn't LE confirm that it was black? Didn't the meter reader report it as gray?

[deputydi]

Sam, how will they define her cpacity to think normally once they prove she killed the child? If they determine that her motive was to get her out of the way so she could spend time alone with her guy, or that she did it spontainiously and unconciously to hurt Cindy, or to party, then I ask, "Where in the catagory of normal as opposed to insane, can this liar's mind be?" I'm not saying anything here to dispute other theories or to argue, I'm simply stumped about how they don't consider her insane.

What (do you think) they will use as a defense?
The test for legal insanity is whether the person knew whether what they did was wrong. If there is an attempt to cover up the crime, that almost always blows an insanity defense. If you try to hide something, then you know it was wrong. Personality disorders, mental retardation, emotional disorders do not qualify as legal insanity. Besides, this kind of defense is extremely difficult to win and, in this case, I think impossible. As I've said before, Casey would have to admit to her crime if they tried to use an insanity defense and that will never happen.

The prosecution doesn't have to "prove" a motive either. Most times they present evidence alluding to what they believe the motive was, but they certainly don't have to prove it. There are so many possibilities regarding why Casey would have murdered her baby that I believe they won't even go there. I believe they will present the facts -- pure and simple. The forensics, the cell phone calls, the prison tapes and recordings, plus all the circumstantial stuff will be plenty to convict her.

Her defense will be SODDI. The end. Hope this helps.

[TheSkwerl]

Snowin and blowin and bushels of fun here. :tongue:

Snowin and blowin, but no fun:mad:. Got some snow (maybe 3"), and my best friend, ICE!!!!! So this morning I was treated to a great workout:cuss:.
Does anyone know about what time the meter reader is going to speak?

[deputydi]

I heard on TV this morning (I think it was Headline News Channel) that the meter reader will speak about finding the bag today.
I assume that means that he will take questions from the Press, although they didn't specify how he will speak out.

I don't see anything strange about how he found the body.
His route puts him in the vicinity on a regular basis.
The vacant lot is a large lot of several acres, covered with thick foliage and weeds and trees.
People often throw trash in the vacant lot.

In August he spotted a garbage bag and notified LE.
LE checked out the bag and it was just trash.
A week later, a hurricane passed through the area and the lot was under knee-deep water until a few weeks ago.
Last week, the meter reader was working in the area and walked back into the lot and spotted another garbage bag. This time he opened the bag before calling LE.
:shrug:
I don't see anything strange about it either. I doubt it was the same bag. As I understand it, he didn't "open" the bag, he kind of kicked it aside and the skull rolled out. He's in that area because of his job once a month and is probably quite used to seeing garbage bags there. I think the reason he called LE about the one he saw in August was Caylee had just been reported missing a few weeks earlier and everyone was on the lookout for anything even halfway suspicious. These calls probably came in regularly and none of them turned out to be legit.

[Gatordog]

Well, he DID call 3 days in a row. I'm guessing he was "reassured" on day 3 that it was looked at and he put it out of his mind. Too wet to look for 3 months (I'm guessing he does that neighborhood on the 11th of each month), but keeps seeing the search on the news, so last week decides to check if the site was really checked. Lo and behold, it was not.

How come there is no icon that sums up my feelings about the bag not being found in August? I totally understood not finding it until THIS!

He was transferred out of the area and just returned to that route again.

He is giving a press conference today at 3:30. Heard he is a widower as his wife died last year. He is ex-military.

[Gatordog]

Thank you! That was very good information Sam. My mind is still holding so tightly to the insane behaviors she acted out that I didn't think of the testing they would do to determine her ability to know right from wrong. Thanks for waking me up to the truth about what happens behind the scenes. Based on your info I agree she will mess up and get caught for being guilty of knowing exactly what she was doing.

What insane behaviors? I saw no insane behavior. I have seen people talking to themselves, a man pick up a stop sign and throw it like a javalon. There was the man who pushed a stranger in front of a train and didn't think anything of it, people who think they are from other planets, that's insane. Being selfish, egotistical, ruthless and hateful is not insane. It may be difficult for us to understand but I don't consider it insane.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I don't see anything strange about it either. I doubt it was the same bag. As I understand it, he didn't "open" the bag, he kind of kicked it aside and the skull rolled out. He's in that area because of his job once a month and is probably quite used to seeing garbage bags there. I think the reason he called LE about the one he saw in August was Caylee had just been reported missing a few weeks earlier and everyone was on the lookout for anything even halfway suspicious. These calls probably came in regularly and none of them turned out to be legit.

Angelo Nieves gave another press conference which I watched this morning on myfoxorlando. It was the same bag. Carlos Padilla said nwhen the officer was there with the meter reader, the officer saw a rattlesnake and told the reader not to go into the woods. Supposedly, the officer saw lots of garbage and bags and that bag. Another officer showed up and she was waived off by the first officer.

[Gatordog]

don't know what time, but i'll wait for you all to gimmi the linky! I get 90% of my information here.

I love the snow skwerl. I'm doing my chores here getting ready for the christmas party tomorrow no one will show up to, because of the storm.

3:30

[deputydi]

Angelo Nieves gave another press conference which I watched this morning on myfoxorlando. It was the same bag. Carlos Padilla said nwhen the officer was there with the meter reader, the officer saw a rattlesnake and told the reader not to go into the woods. Supposedly, the officer saw lots of garbage and bags and that bag. Another officer showed up and she was waived off by the first officer.
How do they know it was the same bag? If the officer saw "lots of garbage and bags", it seems to me it would be impossible to determine this was the same one he saw in August.

[samanthajane13]

"What insane behaviors? I saw no insane behavior. I have seen people talking to themselves, a man pick up a stop sign and throw it like a javalon. There was the man who pushed a stranger in front of a train and didn't think anything of it, people who think they are from other planets, that's insane. Being selfish, egotistical, ruthless and hateful is not insane. It may be difficult for us to understand but I don't consider it insane."

EXACTLY!!!

[Gatordog]

There will be no 'look'...LIAR knows it's Caylee because SHE HERSELF put her there. She already had the anxiety attack of "they found her and all the evidence that links me to her", but she's moved on already. I guarantee that she'll feign some tears to make it look good though...

Maybe she will stick her fingers in her eyes again to try to draw out tears.

[Justice Denied?]

Oooh, oooh, a parasol! And the pineapple should be on a really sharp swizzle stick (in case I find an appropriate target for my angst :), thanks!

Swizzle stick too good for this wacko. She needs a needle. And I personally do not believe in the death penalty under any circumstances. However, you might poke Cindy in the butt and see if she could face reality.

I believe if I were in the same room with Casey I could choke the life out of her with my bare hands. My mind just keeps dwelling on those deputies sifting through all that dirt to find Caylie's little fingers and toes. I know its just an empty husk and her soul is in a better place, but this is just breaking my heart.:rose::rose::rose::rose:

[Justice Denied?]

Ooh, ooh, yes please me too!:beer:

Yes, you two, Sharlock! Extra papaya and a parasol.:beer:

[Gatordog]

Well, I still resent the fact that they are staying at the Ritz and eating $100 dinners. But that's just me.

I thought alot about that and my theory is since they could not go home due to the police activity, the sheriff's office might have told them to go to a hotel and they would pick up the tab, as they have bent backwards trying to accommodate these two. The "ants" being the people they are would look to screw the police and instead of going to the Marriott or Radisson, they went to the Ritz and probably charged the dinner to their room.

Gator

[deputydi]

Swizzle stick too good for this wacko. She needs a needle. And I personally do not believe in the death penalty under any circumstances. However, you might poke Cindy in the butt and see if she could face reality.

I believe if I were in the same room with Casey I could choke the life out of her with my bare hands. My mind just keeps dwelling on those deputies sifting through all that dirt to find Caylie's little fingers and toes. I know its just an empty husk and her soul is in a better place, but this is just breaking my heart.:rose::rose::rose::rose:
That's because you have a heart. Casey's can't break because she doesn't have one.

[Justice Denied?]

I have grandaughters 3 and just past 4 and a ggrandaughter who will be 4 next month. She is the one who reminds me most of Kaylee with the long bangs and big, sad eyes. I think we will all cherish our little girls and hold them a little tighter this year. Maybe Caylee's death will save a life somewhere.

[Gatordog]

I see it differently; the Four Finger Family knew that they would be recorded, and they had the whole kidnapping and key skit planned and simply acted it out for the camera. There is no way that they didn't discuss this business privately before Casey was arrested.

The Liar was with police the whole time after they showed up after the 911 call on the 15th. LE was driving all over Orlando with her on the 16th. They never left her alone with the family and they arrested her on the 16th and the she was in jail for over a month.

I honestly - got to go - news.

[Woostock]

Here in MA we are waiting for the snow! School was cancelled but as it turns
out it's a little bit later than predicted.
Casey is not insane. I think the word gets mis-used as when we say someone must be insane!! She knew what she was doing; but yet it is so hard to understand how someone could do that to a child. It's totally beyond me but the family dynamics were such that it was sort of like a train out of control....

[Spider]

Grrrrrrrrrr. Growl. Snort. It is seventy degrees here today. I hate warm weather at Christmas time.

Also, I will be leaving for WV for the family holiday stuff in just a bit so I am SURE I will miss the big announcement. I will not be able to get to a puter until probably around 8:00 pm. I sure hope my MIL doesn't mind me hogging her computer tonight:-)

[Gatordog]

I think this is it - just announced a 2 pm press conference and the medical examiner will be present and there is a large picture of little Caylee in the press room. No Anthonys present.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

loretta, you're one smart chicklet..........There is no way of knowing if the bag is the same bag found last Thursday. If anyone catches Jessica D'Onfrio, she took the walk, 7 min. from the Anthony's house to the sidewalk parallel to the find. Thereafter, another hundred feet in was the bag. LE states they are finding bones all the way the He** back in, as far as 1/2 acre. That seems reasonable, due to scavengers. But it's totally ludacris to even think that the same bag was on the side of the damn road with her body in it. Even if it were someone other than Casey, and the prints will prove it either way, she would not have just been left on the sidewalk... She would have been hidden most likely, even if by palmetto trees. Um..the idea was to hide the dirty deed..

The bag could have even been dragged by dogs! Aug 20th came Fay, and waist deep water.....

I also do not put one iota of faith into this marallena woman who said the pic is that spot. Too many questions.

The defense is scratching at all four walls to just try to keep up with this evidence that they know is going to sink them....Let them say LE is mishandling the evidence, the bag was put there by the real murderer, whatever. It's all going to be proven it was Casey. She made too many mistakes.

I hope you are right, but with all this crazy information coming forth and the refusal to allow a defense expert to observe I am so afraid that the defense will twist it some way to get reasonable doubt. "If they were wrong or negligent on one thing, what about this other. Blah Blah Blah!" etc.

[Gatordog]

I agree those symptoms are not insane. I was referring to the acts against the child. I suppose I define that as insane, which isn't the clinical definition Gator. I hear ya. That clarified, makes what she did much worse.

Think of those acts against the child as evil.

[Twinners]

Big announcement expected in Caylee case

ORLANDO, Florida (CNN) -- A major announcement is expected Friday in the Caylee Anthony case during a news conference from local police and the FBI, CNN has learned.

The identity of the remains, believed to be Caylee's, found last week in a wooded area could be confirmed at the news conference.

Earlier this week, the Orange County Sheriff's Department and an attorney for Caylee's grandparents said the results of DNA testing on the remains could be completed by the end of the week.

Police have said they will hold the news conference at 2 p.m.

Casey Anthony, 22, faces charges including first-degree murder in the June disappearance of her daughter, who was 2 at the time. Remains described as being those of a small child were found last week a half-mile from Casey Anthony's parents' home, in the area where a meter reader first directed police.

Authorities have said that if the remains prove to be Caylee's, a jail chaplain or psychologist would tell her mother before the results are given to reporters. The jail, however, would not disclose Friday whether such a visit had taken place.

After Friday's news conference, police will identify the meter reader who, they said Thursday, called the department four months ago, directing them to the site of the remains three times in August.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/19/caylee.anthony/

[Justice Denied?]

Yep. That duct tape could match up with a roll from the Ants' or Amy's roll. And it could have fingerprints, or teeth marks, or could match the serration on the steak knife found in Casey's car. Plus there are items found at the scene of the remains that link directly to the Anthonys' house. Items that I'll warrant the Anthonys never reported stolen or missing (what with Zanny having a key and all).

I think G & C just tripped over their own feet. There are items missing from their home and their grandchild is missing and hey don't see the connection and don't report it to LE? Are these people nuts?:cuss:

[Twinners]

9 minutes from now, we'll know for certain if it's her. I almost can't believe it.

[Lodi]

Hey there, feelin better?

One black bag looks like another. i would ask how they knew it was the same bag. The question would be : How did that particular bag, if it were the only one mind you, get put further back in the woods?

just a thought.

Le is sticking with that, because it puts caylee at that same spot since Aug. (11th) I'm sure the rest of the talk about about it (other bags, rattlesnakes etc. can be explained....)

A black bag sealed with duct tape would stand out from most others. Might be hard to be sure it was the same one though. When the water rose later, it probably floated back into the woods.

[Gatordog]

FBI, Medical Examiner and local LE present for news conference along with big pic of Caylee.

State's Attorneys also present for press conference.

[Gatordog]

Utility worker has an attorney. This case is going to have every attorney in Orlando busy.:D

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-book-121808,0,4733443.story

Would KC really be stupid enough to put all of Caylee's things with her?

That definitely looks like the book to me. And that just turns my stomach.
Just wanted to point out she did not get rid of her doll, which is one thing I definitely disposed of.

[Woostock]

So now it is confirmed. so so sad. and totally beyond anything I can understand.
RIP Caylee

[Justice Denied?]

I hearya on this, tonight I had macaroni and cheese and hotdogs and I think I am probably sleeping on two count sheets or something like that.

One of my favorite meals. Can i come over for supper the next time you have that?

My oldest daughter tells people that she didn't know meat came in strips til she left home. She thought steak was the hamburger patty you put Worchestershire sauce on and popped in the oven.

We won't talk about sheets as I think the elastic is stretched out on all my fitted sheets.

[Justice Denied?]

Yeah-just when I think I have all my ducks in a row, they throw NEW DETAILS at us, and it knocks everything else out of sequence in my brain.

Now that is the disease I have. Is that a type of CRS or a different disease all together?

[deacon]

One thing I thought of last night that has not been mentioned by any of the news people or talking heads or even LE, being a safety professional, when a drug test is done one can be done on a persons hair. The hair hold different drugs that have been taken into the body by different methods. Now, most of the time we are looking for illegal drugs or prescription drugs that the person does not have a prescription for but if that type of drug is stored in the hair, I guess things like chloroform can be too. Now that we know that this little body is Caylee and that the hair belongs to Caylee anything like chloroform that shows up in the hair could put the last nail in casey's coffin.

Given the trail that they have from casey on chloroform and if they can find it in Caylees hair that sort of ends it doesn't it?

:rose: For Caylee

[Spider]

Whew. I didn't miss it. It was what I expected. Wonder where Jose is?

How did I miss this info about a book that could be Caylees?

[browneyes106]

I just found on another forum about the confirmation. But right now the news channels are covering Obama.

[Blue Fairy]

Duct tape wrapped around the head of the child is presumptive of foul play I would expect.

Her body was scattered everywhere-by animals or...I guess we don't know what or who else might have scattered them. They were completely devoid of tissue or not....the ME's office does not have to give that up to the public right now.

I heard a theory early on after the bag was found that children have very green bones and a snapped neck would not necessarily show itself-I think that smothering her or breaking her neck was the COD. That is my opinion.

But if the defense is reading here-please do not get all celebratory because you think you can vilify OCSO or the poor man who found this precious child. Because everything I am hearing is white noise; Casey had the means, motive and opportunity. There is no nanny, there never was a nanny-you cannot overcome that. There is decomp and hair in the trunk of the car. You cannot overcome that. Your client did not report her child missing and did not intend to. You cannot overcome that.

Save her life and get her to plea.

Peace to you all....

[TheSkwerl]

We all knew that when the remains were found that it was Caylee. Hearing it out loud today was devastating. I guess when you read it or think it it's different. Any crime against a child is an unforgiven act.
I was particularly interested in what the FBI agent said about following all the leads that came in locally, nationally, and all over the world, and they didn't find any other person that could have been involved. Very interesting.
I was doing ok watching the news brief until the sheriff started breaking down, then I lost it.
I'll light a candle tonight for Caylee.

[Justice Denied?]

Sam, how will they define her cpacity to think normally once they prove she killed the child? If they determine that her motive was to get her out of the way so she could spend time alone with her guy, or that she did it spontainiously and unconciously to hurt Cindy, or to party, then I ask, "Where in the catagory of normal as opposed to insane, can this liar's mind be?" I'm not saying anything here to dispute other theories or to argue, I'm simply stumped about how they don't consider her insane.

What (do you think) they will use as a defense?

Danagher,

I think what you're missing is that there a difference between sane and LEGALLY sane. A person can be as crazy as a bed bug and still be LEGALLY SANE. The test for legal sanity under the McNaughton rule is Did the person know right from wrong? Usually an effort to conceal the crime is used as proof the person knew it was wrong and they are hung right there.

I think the defense will stick with the Zani defense.

Hope this clears things up for you.

[browneyes106]

Danagher,

I think what you're missing is that there a difference between sane and LEGALLY sane. A person can be as crazy as a bed bug and still be LEGALLY SANE. The test for legal sanity under the McNaughton rule is Did the person know right from wrong? Usually an effort to conceal the crime is used as proof the person knew it was wrong and they are hung right there.

I think the defense will stick with the Zani defense.

Hope this clears things up for you.

I agree I think the defense will stick to the Zani defense but they never be able to prove Zani's existence.

[Blue Fairy]

Danagher,

I think what you're missing is that there a difference between sane and LEGALLY sane. A person can be as crazy as a bed bug and still be LEGALLY SANE. The test for legal sanity under the McNaughton rule is Did the person know right from wrong? Usually an effort to conceal the crime is used as proof the person knew it was wrong and they are hung right there.

I think the defense will stick with the Zani defense.

Hope this clears things up for you.

My bold and italics-I think they are going to have to come up with something much sexier that fits the evidence better, don't you? I mean, she has to pick a version of her story to stick to first once they get as much info as possible regarding what the prosecutor has...they have to loop in the vehicle, the house where the cadaver dogs hit and the evidence that was scored from the home that matches what was found at the scene where the body was....so she will definitely have to work on that story a little.

[Justice Denied?]

"Just thought I would let you know that the lawn maintenance people for the complex where I live just showed up to mow the lawn. It is about 60 degrees."

Yeah-just rub it in.

Buffalo is getting lake-effect snow and possible white-out conditions later today. It's cold as a witch's-what's-it.

And I have to trek out to Mom's to help her prepare for the holidays.

God bless you for helping your mom have a nice holiday. My daughter was here two days and my granddaughter helped me do my shopping last week. It really helps to have a nice holiday without working ourselves sick. Above all, enjoy your mom while you have her. You will miss her when she's gone. My mom has been gone 23 years and I still miss her like crazy on holidays.:D

[NMurphy02]

they have to do it, but everytime a defense attorney starts talking about how they can't prove this and can't prove that I want to scream! They know what we know, which is very little. And why does this meter reader calling in tips 3 times cause everyone to suspect HIM??? How stupid. Plus are these attorney's forgetting she partied, she lied, she had very strange computer searches. I'm sure we don't know everything. I remember during the Scott Peterson case I would get as mad as I'm getting now. I just hope the outcome is the same. Death to this narcissistic murdering !%!#%#.

[Justice Denied?]

Old Soul,

thanks so much for the instructions. I did get it fixed. I called my granddaughter and she told me to reboot.

[browneyes106]

I believe they are holding info back, until they get the tox reports back. Hair and skin attached to the duct tape, however minute, will be able to tell about the chloroform, since it would have been pressed against the mouth and nose. At least they substanciated that it was Caylee, that it was a homocide (no brainer) and right now LE and the FBI are are putting all their ducks in a a nice long row............

Defense can't really do anything yet either....Everyone needs the tox results to put Casey against the wall with no leg to stand on. Her many lies only served to have rendered her story even more unbelievable. ... her goose is cooked anyway.

Wonder how George and Cindy are...my daughter changed the channel on me, and I was figuring word would come from Baez and the dog and pony show of Bart and Conway.....:mad:

Please post if you hear of any updates...thanks

Now we will be waiting anxiously for the tox reports. I believe there will be evidence of chloroform which will be tied to the trunk evidence.

[browneyes106]

Baez is now on Fox News

[One2Snoop]

:rose: :rose: :rose:Rest In Heavenly Peace Little Angel. :rose: :rose: :rose:

[browneyes106]

The meter reader is now on CNN. His name is Roy Kronk.

[One2Snoop]

Baez is now on Fox News

The meter reader is now on CNN. His name is Roy Kronk.

Thanks for the info. :seeya:

[Gatordog]

Roy Kronk! How the heck did Leonard Padilla come up with German Gonzales???? I don't like being played with and the news media saying the name was Gonzales.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey there, feelin better?

One black bag looks like another. i would ask how they knew it was the same bag. The question would be : How did that particular bag, if it were the only one mind you, get put further back in the woods?

just a thought.

Le is sticking with that, because it puts caylee at that same spot since Aug. (11th) I'm sure the rest of the talk about about it (other bags, rattlesnakes etc. can be explained....)

Just got back from the DDS (Pity Party for me at five o'clock!!), and trying to catch up on posts. But I guess my question is, how do they know it's the same bag if it wasn't examined?! And we know that it wasn't, or Caylee would have been found sooner.

[NMurphy02]

was just spewing a bunch of garbage about how LE did such an awful job. Gee, I guess a friend of Jose Baez's would say that. UGH...

[browneyes106]

Roy Kronk! How the heck did Leonard Padilla come up with German Gonzales???? I don't like being played with and the news media saying the name was Gonzales.

I think maybe there was a mixup or confusion maybe German Gonzales is Roy Kronk's coworker. Kronk and his lawyer said that some of coworkers were being questioned by the media.

[One2Snoop]

Medical Examiner Says Remains Are Caylee's

Friday, December 19, 2008 – updated: 3:30 pm EST December 19, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The remains found in a wooded area near the home of George and Cindy Anthony have been positively identified as their granddaughter, Caylee.

"This identification was made from nuclear DNA taken from the remains and compared to a known profile of Caylee Anthony," Dr. Jan C. Garavaglia said (watch Dr. G speak). "There was no trauma to the bones prior to the death. The manner of the death in this cause is homicide. The cause of death will be listed as homicide by unknown means."

Caylee's mother, Casey, is in the Orange County jail, charged with her daughter's murder. She has insisted that she left the girl with a babysitter in June, but she didn't report her missing until July. The babysitter has never been found.

The announcement was made at an afternoon news conference (watch full media briefing | see images). Dr. Garavaglia said a substantial amount of Caylee's skeleton was found. She said investigators combing over the scene had done a very thorough job, noting that some of a child's bones are as small as a pebble.

More tests are coming in. The Medical Examiner's office said reports from a botanist and anthropologist would come in at a later date.

The remains were found near the Anthonys' east Orange County home last Thursday by a county meter reader. The discovery site is less than a half-mile from the house (map from location to Anthonys' home).


METER READER IDENTIFIED

The meter reader has been identified by investigative sources as 46-year-old Roy Kronk, an ex-military man who lost his wife to cancer a year ago. He's expected to appear at a 3:30pm news conference (watch live on WFTV.com). Steve Triggs, Director of Communications for Orange County, said the meter reader has been a county employee for a relatively short time. Triggs said Kronk is being represented by outside counsel at the county's expense

Kronk's role in the case has raised issues because the sheriff's office admitted Thursday that he had first notified them and Crimeline on August 11, 12 and 13, that he'd spotted something suspicious in the woods.

The sheriff's office is currently investigating at least three deputies who responded to the scene, but cleared it without finding anything. In the August 13 visit, Kronk even accompanied detectives to the scene.

Officials aren't releasing the names of any of the deputies involved, but they are under administrative investigation.

"If we missed a window of opportunity we don't know," Sheriff Beary said. "I'm not throwing anybody under the bus because we don't know. That's why we conduct an administrative review."

Sheriff's investigators said Kronk is not under investigation.

"He is not a suspect in this case," Captain Angelo Nieves said. "He is a credible witness and we consider him so at the Orange County Sheriff's Office." :beer:

Despite the fact that investigators could have found the remains four months ago in better shape and prevented all the expense to taxpayers of the exhaustive search that's gone on, investigators said they feel very confident about the evidence they have and that it strengthens their case tremendously.


FAMILY NOTIFIED

Dr. Garavaglia said Casey Anthony had been notified about the determination by a jail chaplain. Her attorney, Jose Baez, was with her. Garavaglia also said Cindy Anthony had been notified.

Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary defended the long investigation and many searches for the body saying, "I don't put price tags on finding a little child ... I think this has been an open wound in the community and I think we can put some closure to this wound ... No child should have to go through this."

An FBI spokesman said his agency had investigated more than 400 leads nationwide and there were no other suspects besides Casey Anthony. Orange County detectives investigated more than 5,600 leads.


LEGAL ANALYST SAYS DEVELOPMENTS FAVOR DEFENSE:no:

WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said the fact that the medical examiner couldn't determine a cause of death benefits the defense.

"This is going to bring the forensic evidence even more to the forefront to show if this child was killed by Casey Anthony," said Sheaffer.

Casey's attorneys have talked about having a second autopsy performed on the remains. Sheaffer said that's likely to happen.

"You can look forward to a second autopsy in this case when the body is released to the mother," he said. "We've seen a list of powerhouse forensic witnesses [for the defense] and you can bet they're going to attempt to reach a different conclusion than that of the medical examiner."

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html#-

[lorettalockhorn]

The Liar was with police the whole time after they showed up after the 911 call on the 15th. LE was driving all over Orlando with her on the 16th. They never left her alone with the family and they arrested her on the 16th and the she was in jail for over a month.

I honestly - got to go - news.

Liar was in the car with Cindy long enough to have explained what her defense was going to be.

[One2Snoop]

Orange County Sheriff's Office of Media Relations
Kevin Beary, Sheriff

December 19, 2008 - 3:30 PM: At 2:00 PM today, December 19, 2008, the Orange County Sheriff's Office hosted a media briefing for the purpose of releasing a significant development in the investigation into the disappearance of Caylee Anthony. During the briefing Dr. Jan C. Garavaglia, Orange Osceola Medical Examiner, confirmed that the remains located in the wooded area near the intersection of Hopespring Drive and Suburban Drive were indeed those of missing three year old Caylee Anthony and that the death of the toddler was the result of homicide by unknown means. Sheriff Kevin Beary opened the briefing with a statement expressing his concerns over how one to three tips relating to the case were processed during August. Sheriff Beary advised that the matter concerning those tips was under an internal review at this time. He asked that the agency be allowed to gather all of the facts concerning the tips and how they were processed before any conclusions were made.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

[Gatordog]

Jose Baez press conference being shown on wkmg. He's giving the same cr*p that we don't know half of the story.

He's angry that LE informed his client of her daughter's death in such an unprofessional way. He wanted to inform her and had requested that he know first.

She was notifed at 1:45 pm by the jail chaplain. I guess he doesn't know the law that he's not first of kin. Many times we've been told how LE would proceed with notification.

Mr Baez: Boo Hoo, always me.

[One2Snoop]

Roy Kronk! How the heck did Leonard Padilla come up with German Gonzales???? I don't like being played with and the news media saying the name was Gonzales.

I think maybe there was a mixup or confusion maybe German Gonzales is Roy Kronk's coworker. Kronk and his lawyer said that some of coworkers were being questioned by the media.


It could also be all the info Padilla was given at the time.

[One2Snoop]

Jose Baez press conference being shown on wkmg. He's giving the same cr*p that we don't know half of the story.

He's angry that LE informed his client of her daughter's death in such an unprofessional way. He wanted to inform her and had requested that he know first.

She was notifed at 1:45 pm by the jail chaplain. I guess he doesn't know the law that he's not first of kin. Many times we've been told how LE would proceed with notification.

Mr Baez: Boo Hoo, always me.

Well then I guess Todd Black doesn't know what he's talking about - but then again we already knew that....


Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, was with her at the Orange County Jail when she found out the news, said Todd Black, a spokesman for the attorney. She was notified a short time before the news conference about the positive identification. Black said he wouldn't comment on her reaction.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18317417/detail.html#-

[Gatordog]

Liar was in the car with Cindy long enough to have explained what her defense was going to be.

Loretta, I guess that's the one thing we don't agree on. I don't think Cindy and George were trying to supply alibies in their questioning. I think they thought that the liar had hidden her away from them in retaliation and then could not get her back. They may just have been trying to placate her in order to get information. I believe that they are certainly protecting her now and for the past five months but in the beginning, they just wanted their granddaughter back.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, I guess that's the one thing we don't agree on. I don't think Cindy and George were trying to supply alibies in their questioning. I think they thought that the liar had hidden her away from them in retaliation and then could not get her back. They may just have been trying to placate her in order to get information. I believe that they are certainly protecting her now and for the past five months but in the beginning, they just wanted their granddaughter back.

Gator

It's no biggie that we don't agree. But G&C have been uncooperative and never acted on the information that Casey gave them about Zanny having a key, and the possiblity that the items tying the current crime scene to their house were missing. That jailhouse visit was staged in my opinion. And there is some reason that G&C are asking for immunity. And it may have to do with the fact that when that car was found to smell of death they knew within reason that Caylee was dead. They knew there was no coming back from that. But yes, in a sense, Caylee was hidden away from them.

Pundits on HNN(HLN) are saying that the bone will not reveal the presence of chloroform.

Poor baby. That video with her great-grandfather on the 15th where she looks so pensive just breaks my heart. RIP

[One2Snoop]

Friday, December 19, 2008

Grund Family Statement
Current mood: sad

At 2 p.m. on Friday December 19,2008 the Orange County Sheriff's Office, FDLE, and FBI confirmed that the remains found on December 11, 2008 were those of Caylee Marie Anthony. This is truly a sad day for this family and for everyone who knew and loved Caylee.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the Anthony Family, extended family members and friends who loved Caylee during this difficult time.

We want to thank everyone from Law Enforcement and the Medical Examiner's Office for their tireless, dedicated and compassionate effort in this matter. I would ask that you keep them in your prayers as these people have been effected by this case as well.

Caylee was a joy to behold and to be held. She was a treasure from God and we consider ourselves blessed to have been a part of her life even in a small way. We will always love her and consider her family. That love will not die and although we are saddened and grieved by her loss we know that we will see her again someday at a time when there will be no more tears and there will only be joy!

We would ask that everyone respect the privacy of the Anthony's and all who mourn Caylee's loss. Please do not dwell on anger or hate or the ugliness of the facts. Instead we would ask that you dwell on the wondrous work of God we knew as Caylee Marie Anthony.

Philippians 4:8 (NLT) And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

Caylee was and is pure, lovely and admirable and we give praise to Almighty God for her life and for allowing us to love her!

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogID=457577630

[One2Snoop]

Full video from the Anthony news conference

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110879&version=1&locale=EN-US

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez speaks to the media

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110902&version=1&locale=EN-US

[One2Snoop]

Interesting headline Geraldo :rolleyes:

Screwing It Up
Geraldo Rivera on Caylee Case


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3341881&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468348,00.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Friday, December 19, 2008

Grund Family Statement
Current mood: sad

At 2 p.m. on Friday December 19,2008 the Orange County Sheriff's Office, FDLE, and FBI confirmed that the remains found on December 11, 2008 were those of Caylee Marie Anthony. This is truly a sad day for this family and for everyone who knew and loved Caylee.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the Anthony Family, extended family members and friends who loved Caylee during this difficult time.

We want to thank everyone from Law Enforcement and the Medical Examiner's Office for their tireless, dedicated and compassionate effort in this matter. I would ask that you keep them in your prayers as these people have been effected by this case as well.

Caylee was a joy to behold and to be held. She was a treasure from God and we consider ourselves blessed to have been a part of her life even in a small way. We will always love her and consider her family. That love will not die and although we are saddened and grieved by her loss we know that we will see her again someday at a time when there will be no more tears and there will only be joy!

We would ask that everyone respect the privacy of the Anthony's and all who mourn Caylee's loss. Please do not dwell on anger or hate or the ugliness of the facts. Instead we would ask that you dwell on the wondrous work of God we knew as Caylee Marie Anthony.

Philippians 4:8 (NLT) And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

Caylee was and is pure, lovely and admirable and we give praise to Almighty God for her life and for allowing us to love her!

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogID=457577630



A beautiful thought and tribute.

[lorettalockhorn]

I knew, we all knew and still, when my husband came into the kitchen and told me, my heart dropped. He spoke it so sadly. It told me he was hoping it wasn't her. I'm so damn sad.

:rose:

So true. But she was someone's baby who was treated horribly and dishonorably, so we would have been devastated no matter who she was.

And may I say that I would flove to see Casey additionally charged with abuse of a corpse; not much weight to the charge, but just for impact. That that part of her evil deed did not go unnoticed, and will not go unpunished.

[abbra]

Interesting headline Geraldo :rolleyes:

Screwing It Up
Geraldo Rivera on Caylee Case


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3341881&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468348,00.html


Geraldo must be looking for his 5 minutes of fame like Mark Geragos

[abbra]

I am deeply saddened over the death of this beautiful little girl. I am also raging at Jose Baez for trying to implant reasonable doubt in everyones mind concerning the investigation and excavation of remains at the crime scene under the local law enforcement.
Does Baez think he is more of a forensic investigator that the law? He also needs to stop whining about " not being given access to the excavation crime site and not getting any information or pictures of the scene. His game is to try to discredit the police to take the publics mind off his murdering client.
A word of advice to all. My parish Priest told me once never to trust Politicians or Lawyers and everyone should heed his advice.
Baez seems like The snake in the grass and what better Eve can the snake entice than Casey Anthony who will be on her way to hell. No Appeals for her- just a needle to send her to her destiny sooner than she thought she would go. Then Justice will be served for Little Caylee.

[crowamongdoves]

God bless you for helping your mom have a nice holiday. My daughter was here two days and my granddaughter helped me do my shopping last week. It really helps to have a nice holiday without working ourselves sick. Above all, enjoy your mom while you have her. You will miss her when she's gone. My mom has been gone 23 years and I still miss her like crazy on holidays.:D

I know what you mean my mom has been gone for 7 years and the holidays haven't been the same she would have all her kids and family at her house, she was the glue that held us all together and since she died were all apart now.


:rose::rose::rose: thinking of those we loved and lost, and Caylee our little angel

[abbra]

Geraldo doesn't need fame. He's been famous for 30 some years. I just listened to him and said every Italian swear word I ever knew.

And here I thought you were Irish! not unless your related to us pasta pushers...:biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

By abuse of the corps, you mean method of disposal?

Yes we would be devastated no matter who the child was. I would have been upset if it was a dog, cat, rabbit, or any species that she trashed in a plastic bag like garbage. If we here are feeling and thinking like the jury will, she's dead meat. There is nothing stronger than made up minds. I will so enjoy watching her get convicted. And if she were my daughter I would never look at her face again. I would block her right out of my psyche.

Yes, not sure what exactly the FL statute is, but I found a couple of men on Florida death row that as part of their sentencing are serving fifteen years for abuse of a corpse.

Not sure if Casey would ever be sentenced to the death penalty without a cause of death, but if the jury hears what we have; I do think she'll be convicted of murder.

[Woostock]

Yes, children that start telling lies early on and continue to tell lies, will continue as adults to lie. It is imperative that lying be dealt with at an early age. As a teacher, I have had many a discussion with parents warning them that they need to deal with it and under no circumstances ignor a habitual lier. It's a lot of work but look at the alternative.

[crowamongdoves]

So true. But she was someone's baby who was treated horribly and dishonorably, so we would have been devastated no matter who she was.

And may I say that I would flove to see Casey additionally charged with abuse of a corpse; not much weight to the charge, but just for impact. That that part of her evil deed did not go unnoticed, and will not go unpunished.

In the abbygail dice case here in my hometown protesters marched from abby's home right downtown to the police station and demanded that her mother be charged. Was pretty shocking in my little town usually us canadians are always being told were too polite, they ended up charging her with indignity to a human body, sadly they still haven't found her. Rumours around town is that she threw that little baby off Hawk's Cliff.

[applesandorange]

I feel like the rest of you. Very sad. We all knew this was Caylee but for it to be confirmed makes it more real. I cannot believe Baez saying "you only know half the story. You will hear the other half at trial and then you will understand" WTH is there to understand? Nobody will EVER understand why the liar killed Caylee. NEVER. NOTHING him or his scheme team do or say will make ANY of us understand this!!!

[TheSkwerl]

I have to agree with you on that, in fact, I thought that all along about her being on drugs. Everything points to the addict mentality.

[lorettalockhorn]

I feel like the rest of you. Very sad. We all knew this was Caylee but for it to be confirmed makes it more real. I cannot believe Baez saying "you only know half the story. You will hear the other half at trial and then you will understand" WTH is there to understand? Nobody will EVER understand why the liar killed Caylee. NEVER. NOTHING him or his scheme team do or say will make ANY of us understand this!!!

So why didn't Baeztard's client tell us the other half of the story when she had a chance to make a plea? Or when she was lying her skanky arse off time after time? Why is he wasting the taxpayers money and tormenting G&C with a trial? Oh wait. I guess they know the whole story but neglected also to tell it.

[applesandorange]

So why didn't Baeztard's client tell us the other half of the story when she had a chance to make a plea? Or when she was lying her skanky arse off time after time? Why is he wasting the taxpayers money and tormenting G&C with a trial? Oh wait. I guess they know the whole story but neglected also to tell it.

EXACTLY!! There is nothing to tell! We already know the whole story and truth.

[abbra]

I feel like the rest of you. Very sad. We all knew this was Caylee but for it to be confirmed makes it more real. I cannot believe Baez saying "you only know half the story. You will hear the other half at trial and then you will understand" WTH is there to understand? Nobody will EVER understand why the liar killed Caylee. NEVER. NOTHING him or his scheme team do or say will make ANY of us understand this!!!

Half the story my big arse! Theres no other half of the story- He and Casey have to concoct it. If he knows THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY he should be prosecuted for not revealing crucial evidence in the case. Same with George and Cindy shooting their mouths off about KNOWING HALF THE STORY. The whole damn bunch of them should be indicted.

THEY ARE WITH-HOLDING EVIDENCE IF THEY KNOW THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY.

Maybe Baez is Banging Casey. They seem so cozy together with his arm around her and remember all the time Casey spent in his office all day long. She seemed into banging everything with a penis plus by the look of those party pictures. What a bouton! She can't even tell us who Caylees Father is because SHE DOESN"T KNOW!

As for Geraldo- Hes a sex addict so maybe he's after a piece of the action with Casey. Scumbag that he is!

[applesandorange]

Half the story my big arse! Theres no other half of the story- He and Casey have to concoct it. If he knows THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY he should be prosecuted for not revealing crucial evidence in the case. Same with George and Cindy shooting their mouths off about KNOWING HALF THE STORY. The whole damn bunch of them should be indicted.

THEY ARE WITH-HOLDING EVIDENCE IF THEY KNOW THE OTHER HALF OF THE STORY.

Maybe Baez is Banging Casey. They seem so cozy together with his arm around her and remember all the time Casey spent in his office all day long. She seemed into banging everything with a penis plus by the look of those party pictures. What a bouton! She can't even tell us who Caylees Father is because SHE DOESN"T KNOW!

As for Geraldo- Hes a sex addict so maybe he's after a piece of the action with Casey. Scumbag that he is!


LMFAO!!! I couldn't agree more! I stopped watching him years ago. Nothing about him interests me. Maybe he thinks if he is a Casey supporter he will get to bang her at some point. Hahaha laughable!!

[crowamongdoves]

I don't care if he gives the best silver tongued speech of his life, I for one will never understand and don't want to even try to understand how that B***H could do what she did to that precious child. I'll never understand how anyone could harm a beautiful child they are so pure and innocent. :(



Got into the hagnog early today


Just praying to God that CA finally sees the truth and does the right thing by Caylee:rose::rose::rose:

[readmylips]

Does anyone here know a drug addict? Right along I saw symptoms of this problem in Casey, most especially her stealing. I now fully understand that she is not "legally insane" after many of you explained it to my thick head.

Next thought is, could she have been high on drugs when she let her little girl die that way, and when she disposed of the body? And if that is true, will it help the defense? Please say no. I expect you to say no. Reason: She chose to do the drugs. There is every reason as far as i am concerned, to believe she was using some serious drugs. She went through 40K of her mother's and desperately felt the need to steal from her grand mother and good friend. This is an addicts behavior all day. She couldn't have risked jail for stealing simply for partying and Target clothes. It makes no sen.... never mind.

Good observations,imo, Danagher.

I am not sure if Casey is a drug addict or just a very sick individual. I have had the displeasure of being exposed to both. On one hand, a drug addict will lie and steal and do whatever is necessary to feed their demon. On the other hand, I have witnessed individuals with no drug addiction who would lie and steal and look you right in the face with what appears to be pure innocence. Those types of people appear to believe their own lies and feel no remorse for any bad thing they have done. I can't pinpoint why I feel that Casey falls into the latter category but I think she might.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey Anthony killed and callously disposed of her own child. I also doubt that she will ever own up to it or reveal what happened or why it happened although no explanation will ever truly make sense. Even an accident would make no sense to me. I suspect that she actually believes that she did not do it. I don't know much about the concept of people who block out unpleasant memories but I do believe it is possible. Unpleasant does not even begin to describe this and I apologize for even using the word in relation to this atrocity.

A "normal" person would be a broken shell of a person if they were in Casey's shoes right now. (IMO) Watching her on those jail tapes - I was incredulous at her calm demeanor. She is sick at a level I just cannot fathom. I feel sorry for her.

I am angry and sick and sad over the whole darn situation.

I apologize for the rant. I have been reading the discussion here for a long time without chiming in but just had to vent for a moment.

Bless you baby Caylee. :rose:

[applesandorange]

I don't care if he gives the best silver tongued speech of his life, I for one will never understand and don't want to even try to understand how that B***H could do what she did to that precious child. I'll never understand how anyone could harm a beautiful child they are so pure and innocent. :(



Got into the hagnog early today


Just praying to God that CA finally sees the truth and does the right thing by Caylee:rose::rose::rose:


I agree. I hope CA does the right thing too. I hope the Ants finally wake the heck up and stand by CAYLEE:rose:

[applesandorange]

Good observations,imo, Danagher.

I am not sure if Casey is a drug addict or just a very sick individual. I have had the displeasure of being exposed to both. On one hand, a drug addict will lie and steal and do whatever is necessary to feed their demon. On the other hand, I have witnessed individuals with no drug addiction who would lie and steal and look you right in the face with what appears to be pure innocence. Those types of people appear to believe their own lies and feel no remorse for any bad thing they have done. I can't pinpoint why I feel that Casey falls into the latter category but I think she might.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey Anthony killed and callously disposed of her own child. I also doubt that she will ever own up to it or reveal what happened or why it happened although no explanation will ever truly make sense. Even an accident would make no sense to me. I suspect that she actually believes that she did not do it. I don't know much about the concept of people who block out unpleasant memories but I do believe it is possible. Unpleasant does not even begin to describe this and I apologize for even using the word in relation to this atrocity.

A "normal" person would be a broken shell of a person if they were in Casey's shoes right now. (IMO) Watching her on those jail tapes - I was incredulous at her calm demeanor. She is sick at a level I just cannot fathom. I feel sorry for her.

I am angry and sick and sad over the whole darn situation.

I apologize for the rant. I have been reading the discussion here for a long time without chiming in but just had to vent for a moment.

Bless you baby Caylee. :rose:

I'm glad you chimed in here. It is so sad to know that everyone on here cares more about Caylee than her own mother. Sad, sad, sad. Welcome to the board!!

[Justice Denied?]

The Liar was with police the whole time after they showed up after the 911 call on the 15th. LE was driving all over Orlando with her on the 16th. They never left her alone with the family and they arrested her on the 16th and the she was in jail for over a month.

I honestly - got to go - news.

Well, apparantly thney didn't watch them too close. Cindy was able to take the backpack they got from Ton'y and dump it out and then take some cash and her JC Penny card back.

Speaking of which, what was so allfired important that they had to retrieve that back pack in the middle of the night? Lee apparantly went to Tony's and got it and the laptop around 2:30 or so.:shrug::confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmmmmmmmm........flove...I'm going to look that one up.....it rolls off my tongue nicely ....f l o v e..............:read:

BTW ~ didn't Casey (heard it with my own ears) tell Cindy that when Caylee was found it would explain everything...??

Well I'm waiting...tap,tap,tap

...sip.....

HAHAHA The "F" section of my dictionary is the thickest in the whole book!

Casey did tell us that, didn't she? Thanks for the reminder.

And what's with the girlygirl sipping? (Wo)man up! It's time for some gulping.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's attorney Jose Baez speaks to the media

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110902&version=1&locale=EN-US

:no: LACK of PROFESSIONALISM! :eek: OMG Baez you need to look in the mirror.

JMO

[One2Snoop]

Interesting headline Geraldo :rolleyes:

Screwing It Up
Geraldo Rivera on Caylee Case


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3341881&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468348,00.html

I guess Geraldo forgot about the duct tape. :rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

Utility worker Roy Kronk who discovered the remains
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8110913&version=1&locale=EN-US

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys attorney gives familys statement

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8111621&version=1&locale=EN-US

[abbra]

" Casey did tell us that, didn't she? Thanks for the reminder" Old Soul-

Yes she did say that Oldie and Loretta? All we need is things falling into place now and we will know the truth- NOT_

[One2Snoop]

Cindy Anthony, George Anthony mourning loss of granddaughter

Walter Pacheco and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
5:47 PM EST, December 19, 2008

George and Cindy Anthony are mourning in private following the news that their granddaughter, Caylee Anthony, is officially dead.

Anthony's attorney Brad Conway said Caylee's grandparents are "grieving deeply" over the loss of their granddaughter, who he described as a guardian angel.

The Anthonys "now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as an angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families," Conway said outside the Anthonys' home.

He said George and Cindy Anthony want the same answers investigators and prosecutors are seeking.

"This is a tragic moment in the lives of good and honorable people," Conway said.

Well-wishers continue to add items to the growing memorial down the street from the Anthonys' home.

Close to a dozen news cameras are stationed on Hopespring Drive and pointed at the Anthonys' house.

The poster featuring a wide-eyed Caylee leaning on her arm with the message, "Have you seen me?" remains posted on the Anthony's front door. Another is in the window.

Although the house is quiet, Lee Anthony's Ford Mustang and three trucks, including one that belongs to the family's pastor Shane Stutzman, are parked in the driveway.

Media choppers can be heard buzzing overhead.

Bystanders are beginning to gather outside the Anthonys' home.

Ian Simmonds, a pest control salesman from Palm Beach Garden, took the day off from work and drove almost three hours to attend the press conference at the sheriff's office.

Now he is outside the Anthonys' home.

"The body being found so close to the home is shocking," Simmonds said. "She was just around the corner the whole time."

Two armed private security guards are stationed at the house.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-family-reaction-121908,0,4093098.story

[applesandorange]

Anthonys attorney gives familys statement

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8111621&version=1&locale=EN-US


They are standing together as a family to get through this..... hmmmmm IF they are STILL supporting that murdering b@#$% I have no sympathy for them!!

[Gatordog]

I watched attorney Conway give his statement from the family. I was very relieved that no mention was made of the liar at all. A few times he asked for prayers for Caylee and pray for...all the other missing children. I thought he was going to say her mother. He said that the family wants to know the truth as to what happened and will be available to meet with LE whenever they are needed.

With great sadness,

Gator

[One2Snoop]

http://i42.tinypic.com/v5wv8j.jpg

[Gatordog]

One thing I thought of last night that has not been mentioned by any of the news people or talking heads or even LE, being a safety professional, when a drug test is done one can be done on a persons hair. The hair hold different drugs that have been taken into the body by different methods. Now, most of the time we are looking for illegal drugs or prescription drugs that the person does not have a prescription for but if that type of drug is stored in the hair, I guess things like chloroform can be too. Now that we know that this little body is Caylee and that the hair belongs to Caylee anything like chloroform that shows up in the hair could put the last nail in casey's coffin.

Given the trail that they have from casey on chloroform and if they can find it in Caylees hair that sort of ends it doesn't it?

:rose: For Caylee

Dr Kobelinski soke to WKMG tonight. He said that if poison was given over time, it would be shown in a hair test. If it had been given once, in a large dose that caused death, it would not be in the hair.

[applesandorange]

I watched attorney Conway give his statement from the family. I was very relieved that no mention was made of the liar at all. A few times he asked for prayers for Caylee and pray for...all the other missing children. I thought he was going to say her mother. He said that the family wants to know the truth as to what happened and will be available to meet with LE whenever they are needed.

With great sadness,

Gator


Yes I heard that Gator. I also heard him say that they are staying together as a family. I'm wondering just who all is staying together and supporting who. JMO

I'm sure they are more than willing to work with LE NOW that they have been slapped with the truth that they knew all along. They can't play the denial game anymore. BUT I wonder how long they will work with LE once they realize that LE is NOT going to be looking for someone else to pin it on. I would love to be supportive of the A's. I know what they are going through is no doubt the worst thing in the world but until they prove they are doing the right thing by Caylee and NOT for Casey I will remain skeptical. At this point their words mean nothing. Their actions will speak for themselves.

[readmylips]

I'm glad you chimed in here. It is so sad to know that everyone on here cares more about Caylee than her own mother. Sad, sad, sad. Welcome to the board!!

Thank you for the welcome. I really appreciate it.

I do feel sorry for Casey. Not in a way that absolves her of the terrible senseless thing she has done but in a way that is mournful of the things she has denied herself and the world.

As a mother, my most precious memories in life are of my children, the time I spent with them (both good times and not so good times), their accomplishments, their challenges that we worked through together, the pride I feel when I look at them now and see what they have become, the joy of watching them live their own lives and be able to see the things I taught them applied in their own worlds. I cannot imagine not having the ability to enjoy those things. I cannot imagine not being able to recognize those things for the gift that they are. I know that being a parent is not always wine and roses. I know that there are days that go with being a parent that are stressful and hurtful and downright painful. But the joys? They are incomparable. And sharing that joy with the world? Indescribable.

I cannot imagine being so underdeveloped as a person that it renders you incapable of embracing those feelings. I cannot count how many times I have heard a young mother say "I never knew I could love like this" after the birth of their first child. What is missing in a person that leaves them devoid of that emotion? I don't know but I do believe that it is missing in Casey Anthony. And for that, I feel sorry for her.

I am no saint and I am certainly angry with her for what she has done and at her mother for the role (I believe) she played in setting the stage for it. I told a friend today that I would like to have 15 minutes alone with Casey and it would not be pretty. At the same time, I can't help but be sorrowful for the sickness she clearly possesses.

I know so many people who would give their right arm to have a child of their own and yet there are people like Casey who are blessed with that gift and do what she has done? Arrrghhhhh.... where is the justice in this big dam crazy world of ours?

Caylee, Caylee, Caylee.... if you only knew how many people would love you, cherish you and miss you without having even known you ...

OK, OK - I "think" I am done ranting.

Could someone please pass me a MegaMug of HagNog with a shot of HaterAde on the side? Make that a double shot please.... Don't worry, I tip well... :cuss:

[Justice Denied?]

yes, it is offical. The remains are Caylee Marie Anthony. God rest her soul.

[readmylips]

" Casey did tell us that, didn't she? Thanks for the reminder" Old Soul-

Yes she did say that Oldie and Loretta? All we need is things falling into place now and we will know the truth- NOT_

On the contrary.... I believe it has all fallen in to place now that Caylee has been found.

I believe that the truth she was promising would be revealed is that she is a cold, unfeeling shell of a person who destroyed the most precious gift she has ever received and then lied and lied and lied while she watched everyone run around in circles trying to untangle her nasty web of lies while her precious baby lie in a bag discarded in the woods just around the corner from the center of all the madness. (marathon sentence!)

We should all just hope that it will fall perfectly in to place for the jury that convicts her as well!

[Justice Denied?]

Duct tape wrapped around the head of the child is presumptive of foul play I would expect.

Her body was scattered everywhere-by animals or...I guess we don't know what or who else might have scattered them. They were completely devoid of tissue or not....the ME's office does not have to give that up to the public right now.

I heard a theory early on after the bag was found that children have very green bones and a snapped neck would not necessarily show itself-I think that smothering her or breaking her neck was the COD. That is my opinion.

But if the defense is reading here-please do not get all celebratory because you think you can vilify OCSO or the poor man who found this precious child. Because everything I am hearing is white noise; Casey had the means, motive and opportunity. There is no nanny, there never was a nanny-you cannot overcome that. There is decomp and hair in the trunk of the car. You cannot overcome that. Your client did not report her child missing and did not intend to. You cannot overcome that.

Save her life and get her to plea.

Peace to you all....

Know what I got to wondering the other day? Maybe Casey planned to disappear or at least let her parents think she was missing also. After all, she left an old purse with an expired drivers license and her Universal ID in the car. Cindy had no idea how to locate her until she found Amy's phone number in the car. Maybe go to CA where the military man was.

[lorettalockhorn]

On the contrary.... I believe it has all fallen in to place now that Caylee has been found.

I believe that the truth she was promising would be revealed is that she is a cold, unfeeling shell of a person who destroyed the most precious gift she has ever received and then lied and lied and lied while she watched everyone run around in circles trying to untangle her nasty web of lies while her precious baby lie in a bag discarded in the woods just around the corner from the center of all the madness. (marathon sentence!)

We should all just hope that it will fall perfectly in to place for the jury that convicts her as well!

Well then Mr. Baez, we DO know the whole fstory after all!

Hey readylips! :seeya:

[Justice Denied?]

I can think of one that covers everything exceptthe car. Just can't get around the fact there was a dead body in the trunk. Maybe "Zani borrowed the car". No, wait, that was after Zani took off with Caylee.

[Justice Denied?]

Thank you for taking the time. I probably throw that word (insane) around too lightly. (I come from a huge family, well you understand ;)

I understand perfectly. 1/3 of my family is crazy, 1/3 insane and the other third is just plain peculiar. I have learned to love each just the way they are in their own uniqueness.

I bought papaya today. Have a tropical haterade on me. Or would you prefer hagnog?

[Justice Denied?]

Friday, December 19, 2008

Grund Family Statement
Current mood: sad

At 2 p.m. on Friday December 19,2008 the Orange County Sheriff's Office, FDLE, and FBI confirmed that the remains found on December 11, 2008 were those of Caylee Marie Anthony. This is truly a sad day for this family and for everyone who knew and loved Caylee.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the Anthony Family, extended family members and friends who loved Caylee during this difficult time.

We want to thank everyone from Law Enforcement and the Medical Examiner's Office for their tireless, dedicated and compassionate effort in this matter. I would ask that you keep them in your prayers as these people have been effected by this case as well.

Caylee was a joy to behold and to be held. She was a treasure from God and we consider ourselves blessed to have been a part of her life even in a small way. We will always love her and consider her family. That love will not die and although we are saddened and grieved by her loss we know that we will see her again someday at a time when there will be no more tears and there will only be joy!

We would ask that everyone respect the privacy of the Anthony's and all who mourn Caylee's loss. Please do not dwell on anger or hate or the ugliness of the facts. Instead we would ask that you dwell on the wondrous work of God we knew as Caylee Marie Anthony.

Philippians 4:8 (NLT) And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

Caylee was and is pure, lovely and admirable and we give praise to Almighty God for her life and for allowing us to love her!

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogID=457577630

Now this is truly unconditional love. May God bless.

:rose::rose::rose:

[One2Snoop]

What Evidence Makes Caylee's Case Murder?

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3342600&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469545,00.html

[One2Snoop]

Geraldo - Intent To Alter?

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3342600&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469545,00.html

[One2Snoop]

Friday, December 19, 2008

Grund Family Statement
Current mood: sad

At 2 p.m. on Friday December 19,2008 the Orange County Sheriff's Office, FDLE, and FBI confirmed that the remains found on December 11, 2008 were those of Caylee Marie Anthony. This is truly a sad day for this family and for everyone who knew and loved Caylee.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the Anthony Family, extended family members and friends who loved Caylee during this difficult time.

We want to thank everyone from Law Enforcement and the Medical Examiner's Office for their tireless, dedicated and compassionate effort in this matter. I would ask that you keep them in your prayers as these people have been effected by this case as well.

Caylee was a joy to behold and to be held. She was a treasure from God and we consider ourselves blessed to have been a part of her life even in a small way. We will always love her and consider her family. That love will not die and although we are saddened and grieved by her loss we know that we will see her again someday at a time when there will be no more tears and there will only be joy!

We would ask that everyone respect the privacy of the Anthony's and all who mourn Caylee's loss. Please do not dwell on anger or hate or the ugliness of the facts. Instead we would ask that you dwell on the wondrous work of God we knew as Caylee Marie Anthony.

Philippians 4:8 (NLT) And now, dear brothers and sisters, one final thing. Fix your thoughts on what is true, and honorable, and right, and pure and lovely, and admirable. Think about things that are excellent and worthy of praise.

Caylee was and is pure, lovely and admirable and we give praise to Almighty God for her life and for allowing us to love her!
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=457577630

This is a picture that was posted with the above....

http://i41.tinypic.com/hvxe07.jpg

[One2Snoop]

Lee has an attorney - Thomas Luka - anyone else hear about this?


ETA:
George and Cindy Anthony were told the remains where their granddaughter's Friday afternoon. The Anthonys were secluded in their home with their son, Lee. Lee's lawyer, Thomas Luka, said the Anthonys were devastated by the news. They had long held out hope their granddaughter would be found alive.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18318370/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

Some pictures in here of Caylee that I've not seen before.....

A Tribute To The Life Of A Gorgeous Little Angel: Caylee Marie Anthony! God Bless Her!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dom7q3iMGas

[applesandorange]

Lee has an attorney - Thomas Luka - anyone else hear about this?


I was wondering if Lee had an attorney. Thanks for letting us know.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lee has an attorney - Thomas Luka - anyone else hear about this?

Dayum. Are there any unemployed attorneys in Orlando? Congratulations Casey on single-handedly pulling the economy of central Florida out of a slump.

I see Mr. Luka named as Lee's attorney on the WFTV site, but today is the first I've heard of him.

[One2Snoop]

Dayum. Are there any unemployed attorneys in Orlando? Congratulations Casey on single-handedly pulling the economy of central Florida out of a slump.

I see Mr. Luka named as Lee's attorney on the WFTV site, but today is the first I've heard of him.

I just now found the info at the WFTV site and added it to my post above.

[One2Snoop]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qvxsah.jpg

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8112271&version=1&locale=EN-US

[lorettalockhorn]

I just now found the info at the WFTV site and added it to my post above.

Interestingly, I see him quoted in an article from September with an Anthony headline, but not connected to Lee:

Attorney Thomas Luka said it's not unusual for a high-profile case to take precedence. He has a second case that is also being delayed, because crime scene technicians have been unable to provide the DNA evidenced he requested.

"Orange County technicians responsible for that are obviously being allocated to the Casey Anthony matter at this point and don't have time to deal with the courtroom or discovery," Luka said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17489435/detail.html

http://www.lukalaw.com/disclaimer.htm

[Justice Denied?]

I don't care if he gives the best silver tongued speech of his life, I for one will never understand and don't want to even try to understand how that B***H could do what she did to that precious child. I'll never understand how anyone could harm a beautiful child they are so pure and innocent. :(



Got into the hagnog early today


Just praying to God that CA finally sees the truth and does the right thing by Caylee:rose::rose::rose:

with tis case, it is best to have your hagnog for breakfast. Prepares you for the next crazy twist this case is going to take.:beer:

[Justice Denied?]

I feel like the rest of you. Very sad. We all knew this was Caylee but for it to be confirmed makes it more real. I cannot believe Baez saying "you only know half the story. You will hear the other half at trial and then you will understand" WTH is there to understand? Nobody will EVER understand why the liar killed Caylee. NEVER. NOTHING him or his scheme team do or say will make ANY of us understand this!!!

If there was a part to this story that proved Casey's innocence, shewould tell it and be home in a flash. I do not know who they are trying to kid.:mad::rolleyes:

[Justice Denied?]

yeah....actually it's the only thing that matters now.

in a nutshell, casey lied for so long, so much, so many times, that she thought she could lie her way out of this also. holy SH** why not call EMS, put her body on the church steps...I don't know... anything but putting your little girl's body in a :cuss: trash bag and dumping it!!! How disgusting a person.

Those bones were once a little girl, laying in a bag. I can't believe it. If I thought I couldn't sleep over the mouth taping..............

What could Cindy be thinking now...just what could she be thinking...

I would imagine she is thinking of ways to save her daughter from lethal injection or life in prison. I feel sory for her but really resent she can forget about Caylee like she has.

[Justice Denied?]

Hmmmmmmmmm........flove...I'm going to look that one up.....it rolls off my tongue nicely ....f l o v e..............:read:

BTW ~ didn't Casey (heard it with my own ears) tell Cindy that when Caylee was found it would explain everything...??

Well I'm waiting...tap,tap,tap

...sip.....

Go easy on that haterade. You'll have a horrible hangover in the morning.

EXPLANATION: Kaylee is dead. Kaycie killed her. What else you need to know?:)

[Justice Denied?]

Good observations,imo, Danagher.

I am not sure if Casey is a drug addict or just a very sick individual. I have had the displeasure of being exposed to both. On one hand, a drug addict will lie and steal and do whatever is necessary to feed their demon. On the other hand, I have witnessed individuals with no drug addiction who would lie and steal and look you right in the face with what appears to be pure innocence. Those types of people appear to believe their own lies and feel no remorse for any bad thing they have done. I can't pinpoint why I feel that Casey falls into the latter category but I think she might.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey Anthony killed and callously disposed of her own child. I also doubt that she will ever own up to it or reveal what happened or why it happened although no explanation will ever truly make sense. Even an accident would make no sense to me. I suspect that she actually believes that she did not do it. I don't know much about the concept of people who block out unpleasant memories but I do believe it is possible. Unpleasant does not even begin to describe this and I apologize for even using the word in relation to this atrocity.

A "normal" person would be a broken shell of a person if they were in Casey's shoes right now. (IMO) Watching her on those jail tapes - I was incredulous at her calm demeanor. She is sick at a level I just cannot fathom. I feel sorry for her.

I am angry and sick and sad over the whole darn situation.

I apologize for the rant. I have been reading the discussion here for a long time without chiming in but just had to vent for a moment.

Bless you baby Caylee. :rose:

welcome! Glad you decided to join us. Have some haterade and try to relax. Do you want kiwi or papaya?:beer:

I, too, believe Casey is a psycopath and not a drug addict. She fits the profile perfectly.

[javahog]

Its a damn sad situation when the only "good" thing you can think of is that at least a baby will have a pretty white coffin instead of a trash bag.

I have a 3 year old. How could anyone do this? They are just innocent little booboos at 3:(

[Justice Denied?]

Thank you for the welcome. I really appreciate it.

I do feel sorry for Casey. Not in a way that absolves her of the terrible senseless thing she has done but in a way that is mournful of the things she has denied herself and the world.

As a mother, my most precious memories in life are of my children, the time I spent with them (both good times and not so good times), their accomplishments, their challenges that we worked through together, the pride I feel when I look at them now and see what they have become, the joy of watching them live their own lives and be able to see the things I taught them applied in their own worlds. I cannot imagine not having the ability to enjoy those things. I cannot imagine not being able to recognize those things for the gift that they are. I know that being a parent is not always wine and roses. I know that there are days that go with being a parent that are stressful and hurtful and downright painful. But the joys? They are incomparable. And sharing that joy with the world? Indescribable.

I cannot imagine being so underdeveloped as a person that it renders you incapable of embracing those feelings. I cannot count how many times I have heard a young mother say "I never knew I could love like this" after the birth of their first child. What is missing in a person that leaves them devoid of that emotion? I don't know but I do believe that it is missing in Casey Anthony. And for that, I feel sorry for her.

I am no saint and I am certainly angry with her for what she has done and at her mother for the role (I believe) she played in setting the stage for it. I told a friend today that I would like to have 15 minutes alone with Casey and it would not be pretty. At the same time, I can't help but be sorrowful for the sickness she clearly possesses.

I know so many people who would give their right arm to have a child of their own and yet there are people like Casey who are blessed with that gift and do what she has done? Arrrghhhhh.... where is the justice in this big dam crazy world of ours?

Caylee, Caylee, Caylee.... if you only knew how many people would love you, cherish you and miss you without having even known you ...

OK, OK - I "think" I am done ranting.

Could someone please pass me a MegaMug of HagNog with a shot of HaterAde on the side? Make that a double shot please.... Don't worry, I tip well... :cuss:

Your order is on the way. Do you want kiwi or papaya with the hagnog? Drink slow. Peoples hands tend to cuss if they drink too fast.:beer:

[browneyes106]

Know what I got to wondering the other day? Maybe Casey planned to disappear or at least let her parents think she was missing also. After all, she left an old purse with an expired drivers license and her Universal ID in the car. Cindy had no idea how to locate her until she found Amy's phone number in the car. Maybe go to CA where the military man was.

Good theory there. There were emails to Mark Hawkins in which Casey said she needed to see him in person and tell him something.

[browneyes106]

I imagine Cindy and George are asking, "Why did we let her take that baby out of this house? She didn't know how to take care of her, because we always did. She just did not have the capacity to be a mother." I doubt they want to believe she is cold blooded and killed the child. That's going to be the mountain they are forced to climb.

Because we believe that our children are reflections of us, and we are ego driven to a large degree, we can't/won't look at the flaws in them. It's almost impossible to separate ourselves from who they are. But in this case, they have to.

As for Casey, she's most likely flirting with the male prison guards and not thinking about much except how to get out of there. When NG mentioned that she opted to see her lawyers instead of the minister of their church, I got in touch with the evil wolf. No hagnog yet. So I'm not on full tilt!

I got in touch with my inner wolf too when NG said that. If Casey really was hurting or grieving she wouldn't have refused the pastor's visit.

[readmylips]

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome and the kind words! *blush*

I've participated on other boards and most crime oriented boards are full of hot debate. (I must admit I do love me some hot little debate from time to time - please don't hold it against me!) It almost makes me sad that there is no debate here. There is just not much to debate, is there? I have to agree with javahog on the sentiment that it is sad that the only good thing we can find (and we all probably agree on) is that this baby will have a pretty white coffin instead of a crappy old trash bag. Is there a more devastating word than sad?

IMO Cindy should be asking herself why she didn't allow Casey to give that baby up for adoption when she wanted to. Assuming, of course, that is true because I do know that so much reported can be false so ... I will give a small benefit of the doubt on that. I admit I am not nearly as well versed on this case as most if not all of you are. Frankly, it has been hard to stomach.

Justice, I'd like kiwi please....
http://sk1.yt-thm-a04.yimg.com/image/4e61361d9e31dcc8
Shall I leave the tip on the table?

[readmylips]

Excellent post readmylips. I've also been exposed to both types. I've come to the conclusion that she spent that money on drugs because so far, I've seen no evidence that she bought anything tangible with all that money, and, she was always out of gas. That is a big clue knowing drug addicts are always out on a limb. They can win the million dollar lottery and run out of gas on the way home! A drug addict worth his salt can go through 40K faster than a bird can blink, then go through yours faster with zero remorse for your inconvenience. They also lie like sivs. Yes. My experience with the other type of liar is similar. They like money but they don't steal the gold teeth out of your mouth for it. (As an addict would) The sociopaths will deny stealing from you forever. Those fallen folks who are addicted to hard drugs will steal your money, lie about it and help you look for it.

Thanks for chiming in. You write beautifully.

Good argument for drug abuse as an issue. Very good argument indeed.

I love your last sentence... steal your money, lie about it and help you look for it. Scary, but so true.

You write pretty darn well yourself! (and ty) Want to collaborate on a literary piece? haha I swear I am going to write a book before I die! Even if it's just "101 Ways to Say Kiss My ***** with a Smile on Your Face" I bet I could get a BUNCH of collaboration on that one!

:biggrin:

[readmylips]

I know about those other crime boards. I was pensive when I first got here. I wanted to get information and there's always plenty of that on message boards. I promised myself if anyone went after me for some misspelled word or trashed my grandmother, I'd click off and never return. I lurked for a while then began to post. So far, no one here has said one unkind word to me. (Even when I go off topic) Coldwater doesn't come out of the wood pile to ban anyone and I enjoy all the speculations and the theories. Sit back and enjoy intereracting with a bunch of intelligent crime solvers, with the exception of me, a left and right brain, who is laden with an artistic temperament and loves to analyze the brain dead killer who says no while she nods her head yes. I am also one who thinks the word insane is an indoor sport. I've been schooled here and I geddit now.

Grovel to no one! Get some hagnog and let your evil wolf free ;) In honor of Deacon who taught us about the good wolf and the evil one.



Merry Christmas Caylee darlin. I know it's beautiful where you are.
:rose:

I vow to never trash your Grandmother! Scouts honor! :beer:

Off to bed for me. Thanks again for the warm welcome and for letting me vent my frustration over this maddening, senseless situation. I will try to visit again soon!

:seeya:

[One2Snoop]

I know about those other crime boards. I was pensive when I first got here. I wanted to get information and there's always plenty of that on message boards. I promised myself if anyone went after me for some misspelled word or trashed my grandmother, I'd click off and never return. I lurked for a while then began to post. So far, no one here has said one unkind word to me. (Even when I go off topic) Coldwater doesn't come out of the wood pile to ban anyone and I enjoy all the speculations and the theories. Sit back and enjoy intereracting with a bunch of intelligent crime solvers, with the exception of me, a left and right brain, who is laden with an artistic temperament and loves to analyze the brain dead killer who says no while she nods her head yes. I am also one who thinks the word insane is an indoor sport. I've been schooled here and I geddit now.

Grovel to no one! Get some hagnog and let your evil wolf free ;) In honor of Deacon who taught us about the good wolf and the evil one.



Merry Christmas Caylee darlin. I know it's beautiful where you are.
:rose:



eeeeeeeeee :eek: one little correction in your post - Coldwater doesn't moderate this board - its Deepwater and they're 2 different people. DW is way cooler than CW any day.

Just had to set the record straight LOL. :seeya:

[sharlock]

Hmmm, these incidents leave room for doubt, yes. Who knows why he did what he did? Personally, if I saw something like that I may have been reluctant to do more than call the police. Noting how strange the family was shown to be, I'd fear they may have implicated me somehow.

I remember NG asking what color the bag was, and the answer was, "black." Was it Tim or Lenard who said that?

I think I know what OCSO is, but not sure. Is it the police?

I think this guy was just a good citizen who did not let go of the possibility the smell he found was something more than nothing. He did this even though all of his freinds probably laughed when he brought it up and the LE didn't take him seriously enough to check properly. Something in his subconscience kept nagging him and I applaud him for listening.

[sharlock]

Sorry if I am repeating others here, I am way behind still about 11 pages to go..gees you have all been busy lol... but just wanted to throw some stuff out there. I don't think the defense is going to find it real easy going from here on in. I am still waiting on tenterhooks for another doc dump that I expect will happen around Christmas simply because they usually occur whenever I leave the keyboard for any serious amount of time.
Nice to see newbies around. Makes it all the more interesting. I don't think much more than the obvious can be taken from the press release except that I do feel Dr G. left room for previously healed injuries and damage to the skeletal remains from scavengers. I think it is important that while she said no difinitive findings on drugs in Caylees system could be produced to corroborate a certain murder scenario she never said that they could not be found at all. Certainly we will know if Caylee was exposed to drugs. Most importantly they still have not revealed key witness statements, other evidence found at the crime scene or anything from the Anthony home. Seems to me they are keeping a lot of stuff closte to their chests and I am chewing my fingernails off here waiting for some of my suspicions to be confirmed.
I saw a post earlier by someone saying that the meter reader will become part of the SODDIT defense and I think they are right but I also think that it will probably be very difficult to tie this guy to a kidnapping he had nothing to do with BUT I don't think Jesse and Lee will be so lucky; I hope the Anthony family on whole after they have a chance to mourn the death of this precious girl might want to start watching their back because I have a feeling the defense team and Casey are about to deliver a sucker punch.
"the most dangerous place in the world is between a mother and her child" and little Caylee was between a mother and her sociopathic child... a very bad place to be.

RIP Caylee Anthony:rose:

[sharlock]

Sighh... All alone again~ Well as there is noone to answer I am just going to spit out my thoughts as they come to me and I pity all of you who have to read this tomorrow lol but what's a girl to do?
I see a lot of comments on how Baez was whinging that they told the preist before him and a lot of speculation about whether Casey as first of kin is the one to decide when the family will be allowed the remains to bury this sweet little angel.
I think Baez is hurting Casey by constantly whining, it makes him sound inexperienced as if this was his first ride on the merry-go-round and he is constantly surprised at the way things work imo. Also I remember in one of the doc dumps the police wrote Cindy and George down as next of kin because Casey was suspected of a crime and someone said at the time that the LE have the right to do that in these circumstances. I am wondering if that would hold true in regards to Caylees remains. Reports seem to indicate that the grandparents were told at the same time if not before Casey so I am left thinking it is a possibility.

[sharlock]

Yes, you two, Sharlock! Extra papaya and a parasol.:beer:
You are to good to me JD!:biggrin:I'm feeling better already.

[sharlock]

Shar, your post says it all! That last line is a keeper! The real motive is in your words. Anyone on that jury will know that. The worst thing IMO that can happen in the jury box, is to have a couple of people with tunnel vision. Or a few who need tangible proof. The real truth between Cindy and Casey is hard to prove. The other truth is that Casey wasn't interested in caring for Caylee, she was interested in partying. Also hard to prove, especially when Cindy keeps saying Casey was a perfect mother and adored Caylee.
I also agree that Casey's excuse for her daughter's death is going to be a hell of a dozy!
Thanks Danagher, are we the only ones here? I was just googling around and decided to look up Annie's myspace page. It is locked to anyone not set to friend but I see that she is using a pic of herself kissing Caylees head for her avi now and her name tag goes like this~
<img id="ctl00_cpMain_ctl02_Img2" border="0" width="20" height="1">

a.n.n.i.e RIP CAYLEE MARIE <33333333 [meet my friend karma. shes a *****]

I cannot wait to see what she has to say at trial but I think Casey might end up being thankful she is behind bars because Annie just seems to me to look like the kind of gal you don't want to pizz off. JMHO

[Lodi]

Shar, your post says it all! That last line is a keeper! The real motive is in your words. Anyone on that jury will know that. The worst thing IMO that can happen in the jury box, is to have a couple of people with tunnel vision. Or a few who need tangible proof. The real truth between Cindy and Casey is hard to prove. The other truth is that Casey wasn't interested in caring for Caylee, she was interested in partying. Also hard to prove, especially when Cindy keeps saying Casey was a perfect mother and adored Caylee.
I also agree that Casey's excuse for her daughter's death is going to be a hell of a dozy!

When I think about what Casey did from start to finish of this terrible crime, I'm amazed at how stupid she is. Her online searching concerning chloroform, neck breaking, missing children, etc., all done before she killed Caylee. Then she puts Caylee in the trunk and leaves her there for a week or two. She borrows a shovel from the neighbor and steals gas cans and puts them in her car. Finally she places Caylee's body in a trash bag and throws it out down the street from her home. This sounds like something an evil child (literally) would do. If she had drowned her child in the family bathtub and then called 911, she would have gotten sympathy from many people.

[tv]

Sorry if I am repeating others here, I am way behind still about 11 pages to go..gees you have all been busy lol... but just wanted to throw some stuff out there. I don't think the defense is going to find it real easy going from here on in. I am still waiting on tenterhooks for another doc dump that I expect will happen around Christmas simply because they usually occur whenever I leave the keyboard for any serious amount of time.
Nice to see newbies around. Makes it all the more interesting. I don't think much more than the obvious can be taken from the press release except that I do feel Dr G. left room for previously healed injuries and damage to the skeletal remains from scavengers. I think it is important that while she said no difinitive findings on drugs in Caylees system could be produced to corroborate a certain murder scenario she never said that they could not be found at all. Certainly we will know if Caylee was exposed to drugs. Most importantly they still have not revealed key witness statements, other evidence found at the crime scene or anything from the Anthony home. Seems to me they are keeping a lot of stuff closte to their chests and I am chewing my fingernails off here waiting for some of my suspicions to be confirmed.
I saw a post earlier by someone saying that the meter reader will become part of the SODDIT defense and I think they are right but I also think that it will probably be very difficult to tie this guy to a kidnapping he had nothing to do with BUT I don't think Jesse and Lee will be so lucky; I hope the Anthony family on whole after they have a chance to mourn the death of this precious girl might want to start watching their back because I have a feeling the defense team and Casey are about to deliver a sucker punch.
"the most dangerous place in the world is between a mother and her child" and little Caylee was between a mother and her sociopathic child... a very bad place to be.

RIP Caylee Anthony:rose:

Great post, Sharlock! You expressed a lot of thoughts I've been having. Your last line is so true and even though we don't have all the details, I believe we'll find out it sums up what happened perfectly IMO. :)

[Blue Fairy]

Know what I got to wondering the other day? Maybe Casey planned to disappear or at least let her parents think she was missing also. After all, she left an old purse with an expired drivers license and her Universal ID in the car. Cindy had no idea how to locate her until she found Amy's phone number in the car. Maybe go to CA where the military man was.

This is 100% my theory as well-but she is a lazy girl and her source of money dried up, IE Mom and Dad and Amy. I am certain that the "trip to PR" detailed in her text messages was cover for her planned run. But her relationship with TonE kept her around...gteed when his interest started waning, she would have headed out. JMO. Remember that she kept asking Cindy for one more day on the 911 tape? She would have been poof.

[sharlock]

When I think about what Casey did from start to finish of this terrible crime, I'm amazed at how stupid she is. Her online searching concerning chloroform, neck breaking, missing children, etc., all done before she killed Caylee. Then she puts Caylee in the trunk and leaves her there for a week or two. She borrows a shovel from the neighbor and steals gas cans and puts them in her car. Finally she places Caylee's body in a trash bag and throws it out down the street from her home. This sounds like something an evil child (literally) would do. If she had drowned her child in the family bathtub and then called 911, she would have gotten sympathy from many people.
Yes, it is so strange how she was so dumb but yet she talks so articulately. A psychiatrists dream poster girl isn't she!

[sharlock]

Great post, Sharlock! You expressed a lot of thoughts I've been having. Your last line is so true and even though we don't have all the details, I believe we'll find out it sums up what happened perfectly IMO. :)
Thanks tv!:beer: I am just glad Caylee can be finally put to rest and isn't out alone in those woods.

[sharlock]

This is 100% my theory as well-but she is a lazy girl and her source of money dried up, IE Mom and Dad and Amy. I am certain that the "trip to PR" detailed in her text messages was cover for her planned run. But her relationship with TonE kept her around...gteed when his interest started waning, she would have headed out. JMO. Remember that she kept asking Cindy for one more day on the 911 tape? She would have been poof.
Very possible, I am certain if Cindy hadn't pushed it Casey would be nowhere to be found come morning but the purse in the car imo was a ruse to attract a prospective car thief. If someone had taken it then they would now be the key SODDIT dude.

[sharlock]

Night all! It's midnight here and I can see 3 computer screens lol!

[tv]

Thanks tv!:beer: I am just glad Caylee can be finally put to rest and isn't out alone in those woods.

Me too. I don't know how Casey could stand knowing that baby was lying in the woods like garbage. She is so evil. :flamemad:

[deputydi]

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome and the kind words! *blush*

I've participated on other boards and most crime oriented boards are full of hot debate. (I must admit I do love me some hot little debate from time to time - please don't hold it against me!) It almost makes me sad that there is no debate here. There is just not much to debate, is there? I have to agree with javahog on the sentiment that it is sad that the only good thing we can find (and we all probably agree on) is that this baby will have a pretty white coffin instead of a crappy old trash bag. Is there a more devastating word than sad?

IMO Cindy should be asking herself why she didn't allow Casey to give that baby up for adoption when she wanted to. Assuming, of course, that is true because I do know that so much reported can be false so ... I will give a small benefit of the doubt on that. I admit I am not nearly as well versed on this case as most if not all of you are. Frankly, it has been hard to stomach.

Justice, I'd like kiwi please....
http://sk1.yt-thm-a04.yimg.com/image/4e61361d9e31dcc8
Shall I leave the tip on the table?
Welcome to our very depressing board. I don't usually follow cases involving children either -- I don't have the stomach for them. For whatever reason, this one is different. I think it was the song I watched Caylee sing night after night. When she sang "please don't take Nan's sunshine away", it literally broke my heart.

I have no doubt Cindy is second guessing every decision she ever made regarding Caylee. Casey's defense is going to be SODDI. She may zero in on the nanny or it may be someone else but it won't fly. I cannot even imagine, in my wildest nightmares, being in Cindy and George's shoes right now. They have lost their precious little granddaughter and the daughter they raised is accused of her murder. What would you do? If they are unable to accept the fact that their child is a murderer, I'm not sure I can fault them for it. That is a reality I've never had to face and I pray I never do.

[Gatordog]

I made an observation this morning while watching the news and I'd like to share it with you. Something has been bothering me when I see the clips of the liar and her parents in jail. The liar basically repeats what her mother says, sometimes word for word. I know a lot of you have taken this as coaching. I saw a clip on the news which is shown a lot - Caylee's birthday party cake. Caylee has cake on her hands and Cindy takes her hand and tries to smear it on the liar's face. Instead the liar takes Caylee's hand and smears the cake on the baby's face. That's when it dawned on me that the liar copies her mother. In quite a few instances you can see that whatever Cindy did, the liar would also do. So, if it's true that Cindy did grab her by the neck and tried to choke her, then that's what the liar did to poor little Caylee except Cindy didn't complete the act.

[Grave Chaser]

I kept myself away from television and the net yesterday and got the news of the positive ID on dateline. I didn't get upset, because I knew deep down it was her already, but just sat quiet for a few mintues thinking. We've crossed the bridge; her body is found. Next stop, trial. How many more pages are we gonna fill before we finally get to the start of the trial in march? We're going to be cross eyed and crazy and need new prescriptions for glasses from staring at the computer screen too long.

I'm beginning to lean toward agreeing with some above statements that Casey was planning to disapper, but kept staying around because she couldn't shake her lust for Tony quite yet or she hadn't quite talked her beau into saying 'yes, come to me'. And this def wasn't a spur of the moment thing that happend the last night/fight with Cindy. Obviously by the net searches, it's been on her mind/in the planning stages for months. When did they start? end? Do the dates coincide with another huge fight with Cindy over something?

Ok, another thing that has been on my mind is the Susan Smith case. I remember hearing or reading something about she was always worried about her appearance when she was going on camera, which was a dead giveaway of her guilt according to the cops/shrinks. And it seems to me that miss Casey is the same way! I was watching dateline (last week), they had a lot of shots of her walking around, and she sure does shake her azz-n-hips n worry about her appearance. Hmmmmmmm??? *stroking beard*

I have wayyyyyyy too much time on my hands to sit and think.... I need coffee...

[deputydi]

We all know that Cindy and George have not been to the prison to visit their daughter since her incarceration. We also know the official reason given. I, for one, don't believe it. I think they started privately doubting Casey's story around the time of her arrest for murder. Publicly, they have to show support for their daughter and her convoluted story.

Now it's going to be interesting to see if they visit her and whether Casey agrees to see them. Their conversations will still be recorded but if Casey is INNOCENT, how incriminating could her words be? Sincere grief and shock at the news of Caylee's death would only help her at trial, so what is left for them to be worried about? Wouldn't you want to be with your wrongly accused daughter to share in this time of grief? I would. On the other hand, if I had an inkling that she may have been involved there is no way I would want to see her in prison. They would have me on tape screaming at her and trying to get through the plexiglass barrier.

[Justice Denied?]

I imagine Cindy and George are asking, "Why did we let her take that baby out of this house? She didn't know how to take care of her, because we always did. She just did not have the capacity to be a mother." I doubt they want to believe she is cold blooded and killed the child. That's going to be the mountain they are forced to climb.

Because we believe that our children are reflections of us, and we are ego driven to a large degree, we can't/won't look at the flaws in them. It's almost impossible to separate ourselves from who they are. But in this case, they have to.

As for Casey, she's most likely flirting with the male prison guards and not thinking about much except how to get out of there. When NG mentioned that she opted to see her lawyers instead of the minister of their church, I got in touch with the evil wolf. No hagnog yet. So I'm not on full tilt!

Sending one nice, warm hagnog you way - extra NUTmeg.

That's what I keep wondering - why? Why didn't Casey just give that child to George and Cindy and walk away? Of course, that would have meant no more handouts. Or given her to the woman who wanted to adopt her in the first place? Even Social Services would have found her a home. Why did she have to go this route? Was she that jealous? Did she hate her mother that much? I will never understand.

And of course, on the advice of her attorney she will never speak a word to let anyone know the truth.:mad::flamemad:

[Justice Denied?]

Good theory there. There were emails to Mark Hawkins in which Casey said she needed to see him in person and tell him something.

I remember that. I just got to wondering if Casey thought about disappearing and starting a brand new life without George or Cindy in it. Remember the search for escort services? Who knows what went thru that whacked out mind?:shrug::confused:

[Gatordog]

Right now Cindy is sitting on the floor in Caylee's beautiful room. She and George, even Lee are inconsolable. The pastor, though trying, cannot help them....

"What made Casey do this? What could we have done any better, any different to show our daughter how much we loved her, loved Caylee. We did everything we could to have her see we were there for her. Why didn't she come to us?"

She did, Cindy. By telling you nothing, she told you everything.

mho ~ she/they might not turn their backs on her, but now they know the truth, and things will never, never be the same with her.

OS, I hope you are right. When I met G & C, I was struck by their eyes, George's eyes are very dark brown and were the eyes of a lost person, just despair. Cindy's eyes are a most unusual color, sort of gold/green but her eyes were angry eyes. When she spoke of Caylee she was angry at the thought that harm had come to her and would not give up on her. I think Geoge will be okay because he knew the truth for a long time. Cindy refused the truth and this is going to be difficult. They need to accept the full truth and know that they did raise a monster. Those were George's words when he was talking to detectives, he did not want to believe that he could raise someone who could do this to another human being.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Welcome to our very depressing board. I don't usually follow cases involving children either -- I don't have the stomach for them. For whatever reason, this one is different. I think it was the song I watched Caylee sing night after night. When she sang "please don't take Nan's sunshine away", it literally broke my heart.

I have no doubt Cindy is second guessing every decision she ever made regarding Caylee. Casey's defense is going to be SODDI. She may zero in on the nanny or it may be someone else but it won't fly. I cannot even imagine, in my wildest nightmares, being in Cindy and George's shoes right now. They have lost their precious little granddaughter and the daughter they raised is accused of her murder. What would you do? If they are unable to accept the fact that their child is a murderer, I'm not sure I can fault them for it. That is a reality I've never had to face and I pray I never do.
Di,

Next time can we follow the case of a mean old man about 95 who needed killing anyway. I am emotionally drained with kids. I have been around for Natalie Holloway, Trenton Duckett, Anna Nichole Smith (Danielynn) and now Caylee. Can't take much more.

[readmylips]

OS, I hope you are right. When I met G & C, I was struck by their eyes, George's eyes are very dark brown and were the eyes of a lost person, just despair. Cindy's eyes are a most unusual color, sort of gold/green but her eyes were angry eyes. When she spoke of Caylee she was angry at the thought that harm had come to her and would not give up on her. I think Geoge will be okay because he knew the truth for a long time. Cindy refused the truth and this is going to be difficult. They need to accept the full truth and know that they did raise a monster. Those were George's words when he was talking to detectives, he did not want to believe that he could raise someone who could do this to another human being.

Gator

Gator,

Your perspective interests me greatly for obvious reasons. I tried going back and browsing through your posts to see the progression of your opinions and experiences in this case but there were so many posts I wasn't really able to get the clear picture I was shooting for.

I may be misinterpreting your words now but it seems that you have softened your opinion of Cindy greatly. If I am reading that right, what has caused that? Is it because you are soft hearted or because of specific information or experiences?

The little I have read leads me to have almost as much contempt for Cindy as I do for Casey but your words are making me question whether that is a fair assumption on my part.

Thanks in advance for your input and for being such a caring person!

[deputydi]

Di,

Next time can we follow the case of a mean old man about 95 who needed killing anyway. I am emotionally drained with kids. I have been around for Natalie Holloway, Trenton Duckett, Anna Nichole Smith (Danielynn) and now Caylee. Can't take much more.
I followed these cases marginally. I haven't really gotten this hooked on a case since Scott Peterson. This one has drained me. I will definitely follow through the trial - I want to be around to see Casey get what she deserves.

[lorettalockhorn]

Interesting.

WESH talked to a woman who said she had photographic evidence there were no human remains when she looked in the woods to help Texas EquuSearch. Strangely enough, the same woman could be seen in another WESH report delivering food to the Anthony home. WESH's Kealing said Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney, wanted to talk to the woman after seeing the station's coverage.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthon-2.html

I want to see those pix almost as badly as I want to see the outcome of the OCSO's investigation into the August calls about the mysterious bag.

[One2Snoop]

I made an observation this morning while watching the news and I'd like to share it with you. Something has been bothering me when I see the clips of the liar and her parents in jail. The liar basically repeats what her mother says, sometimes word for word. I know a lot of you have taken this as coaching. I saw a clip on the news which is shown a lot - Caylee's birthday party cake. Caylee has cake on her hands and Cindy takes her hand and tries to smear it on the liar's face. Instead the liar takes Caylee's hand and smears the cake on the baby's face. That's when it dawned on me that the liar copies her mother. In quite a few instances you can see that whatever Cindy did, the liar would also do. So, if it's true that Cindy did grab her by the neck and tried to choke her, then that's what the liar did to poor little Caylee except Cindy didn't complete the act.

Great thinking Gator! One other thing that comes to mind after reading your post - I can't help but wonder how many times Cindy threatened to break Casey's neck? Why search the net on "how to break a neck" months prior if she didn't get that idea from someone, namely Cindy?

Hmmmmmmm. ??????

[lorettalockhorn]

eeeeeeeeee :eek: one little correction in your post - Coldwater doesn't moderate this board - its Deepwater and they're 2 different people. DW is way cooler than CW any day.

Just had to set the record straight LOL. :seeya:

Not very familiar with Coldwater, but I've found Deepwater to be responsive, friendly and patient. And did I mention patient? Seriously, she helped me when I was having so many problems getting on (and staying on) the board. :beer:

A couple of her predecessors are a whole nuther story. :no:

[lorettalockhorn]

This is 100% my theory as well-but she is a lazy girl and her source of money dried up, IE Mom and Dad and Amy. I am certain that the "trip to PR" detailed in her text messages was cover for her planned run. But her relationship with TonE kept her around...gteed when his interest started waning, she would have headed out. JMO. Remember that she kept asking Cindy for one more day on the 911 tape? She would have been poof.

Speaking of the money; where did it go? I haven't seen anything about any forensic accounting in any of the documents, but Casey got her hands on quite a bit of money over time, and we know she didn't spend it on daycare. So where was it spent? And on what?

[One2Snoop]

:rolleyes:

Casey's lawyer: 'You really do not know half of this story.'

Amy L. Edwards | Sarah Lundy and Walter Pacheco, Sentinel Staff Writers
December 20, 2008

Caylee Marie Anthony's mother, 22-year-old Casey Anthony, learned about the identification Friday at the Orange County Jail, where she is awaiting trial on a first-degree-murder charge in her daughter's death. A jail chaplain informed her about 15 minutes before the official announcement. Her reaction was not released.

Jail officials said she turned down a visit with her pastor, Shane Stutzman, who arrived while she was meeting with attorney Jose Garcia.

Her lead attorney, Jose Baez, told television crews outside the jail that he would not disclose how his client reacted to the news.

"This is her private moment," he said. "This is what she is going through."

Anthony and her family have insisted Caylee was kidnapped by a baby sitter. Detectives say the sitter does not exist.

Baez said his client still maintains she is innocent.

:no: "You really do not know half of this story. You don't," Baez said. "And you will find out in court."

The toddler's grandparents -- George and Cindy Anthony -- received the news at their home on Hopespring Drive. Their son, Lee Anthony, arrived at the house to be with them.

Several hours later the Anthonys' attorney, Brad Conway, read a statement asking people to pray for Caylee and for other families that have missing children.

"The Anthony family did not give up hope that Caylee was still alive until we were notified by the Orange County Sheriff's Office at approximately 1:30 today," Conway said. "They now know that their precious granddaughter is safe and hope that she will serve as the angel that protects thousands of missing children and their families."

He said the family wants the same answers as law enforcement and pledged to make themselves available to investigators.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-cayleefam2008dec20,0,3173549.story

[One2Snoop]

Speaking of the money; where did it go? I haven't seen anything about any forensic accounting in any of the documents, but Casey got her hands on quite a bit of money over time, and we know she didn't spend it on daycare. So where was it spent? And on what?

$5 bra's at Target and groceries. Clothes for herself. There are some Target receipts that were posted and I think a few from grocery stores in the first or second release of documents but I don't think all of its been made public.

[One2Snoop]

Sorry if I am repeating others here, I am way behind still about 11 pages to go..gees you have all been busy lol... but just wanted to throw some stuff out there. I don't think the defense is going to find it real easy going from here on in. I am still waiting on tenterhooks for another doc dump that I expect will happen around Christmas simply because they usually occur whenever I leave the keyboard for any serious amount of time.
Nice to see newbies around. Makes it all the more interesting. I don't think much more than the obvious can be taken from the press release except that I do feel Dr G. left room for previously healed injuries and damage to the skeletal remains from scavengers. I think it is important that while she said no difinitive findings on drugs in Caylees system could be produced to corroborate a certain murder scenario she never said that they could not be found at all. Certainly we will know if Caylee was exposed to drugs. Most importantly they still have not revealed key witness statements, other evidence found at the crime scene or anything from the Anthony home. Seems to me they are keeping a lot of stuff closte to their chests and I am chewing my fingernails off here waiting for some of my suspicions to be confirmed.
I saw a post earlier by someone saying that the meter reader will become part of the SODDIT defense and I think they are right but I also think that it will probably be very difficult to tie this guy to a kidnapping he had nothing to do with BUT I don't think Jesse and Lee will be so lucky; I hope the Anthony family on whole after they have a chance to mourn the death of this precious girl might want to start watching their back because I have a feeling the defense team and Casey are about to deliver a sucker punch.
"the most dangerous place in the world is between a mother and her child" and little Caylee was between a mother and her sociopathic child... a very bad place to be.

RIP Caylee Anthony:rose:

Baez keeps saying we don't know the whole story yet - you might just be right on with that thought Sharlock.

[One2Snoop]

What role will forensics play?
Last Edited: Saturday, 20 Dec 2008, 12:08 AM EST
Created: Saturday, 20 Dec 2008, 12:08 AM EST

By David Martin
FOX 35 NEWS

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- We now know it's Caylee.

It's the beginning of the healing process. But the work is far from over.

Now it's time to prepare for the trial, processing all the clues from the dirt in the woods.

Casey's murder trial will hold fascinating forensic details; the minutiae that's being sifted through.

We talked to ITT Criminal Justice Chair, Shelly Shaffer, about what is and isn't out there.

First, why toxicology reports will yield nothing:

“Any kind of drug or any kind of substance that perhaps Caylee was given would go into the flesh and the lungs or into the organs,” says Shaffer. ”We don't have any of that flesh, no organs. We just have pure skeletal remains. Just bones.”

And about those bones, that's where the mystery lies.

Orange County medical examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia could not give a cause of death. So we don't know if it was suffocation. We don't know if it was an overdose of something such as chloroform. We have no idea, because there's no tissue left.

But what might be left is a report from the etymologist, the bug expert.

“The entomologist is good for the prosecution because it can prove how long the body was there. There are still bugs in the bag probably,” Shaffer said. “Maggots. We can tell by collecting the maggots how old they are. A day old. Weeks or months, that can tell us how long the bag was there.”

And where that bag's been.

Maybe the plant expert will submit some clues.

“The botanist is just going to reveal if there was any vegetation on the bag, or in the bag that could have come from a different area,” Shaffer said. “Or if the body was once placed, there are different kinds of soil in different areas. So perhaps the soil in the Anthony's backyard is different than in the woods 15 houses away.”

Shaffer says the entomology report will be good for the prosecution.

The maggots will determine how long the bag of bones was sitting in the woods.

“To show that it was there prior to when Casey was imprisoned,” Shaffer said. “If we don't show anything happened prior to December 11th, or prior to when Casey was imprisoned, Baez will just be able to say ‘My client was in jail’. She could not have possibly put that bag there or killed her child. So the maggots and their age are going to be very important to this case.

But to prove Casey herself put the bag out there?

“Forensics' best bet right now is to try to find fingerprints that match Casey on either the bag or the duct tape that was supposedly found,” Shaffer said. “On the sticky side of the tape, she had to stretch that and there could possibly be skin cells that are still on the sticky side of the tape, which could lead back to Casey.”

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8113907&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

Another odd comment made by Padilla (last sentence) :confused:

Bounty Hunter Reacts

Leonard Padilla, the California bounty hunter who first bailed Casey Anthony out of jail, told News 13 Friday he had a feeling Caylee was dead, but was hoping he was wrong.

Padilla said in his 33 years in the business, he has never received the criticism he has recently.

Padilla said he was convinced from the beginning that the decaying body confirmed to have been in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car was her daughter, Caylee's.

"Obviously, any time you spend money and you are wrong, you wish you hadn't," Padilla said in an exclusive interview with News 13. "At the time, we really thought she would take us to a live child. It was only two days later, when she ran me out of her house saying, 'I don't want to talk to a cop,' and when the results came in from the FBI lab, and she said a lot of people have access to her trunk."

"At that stage of the game, I didn't care. Whatever she said was a lie. There's no way there was another body in the trunk. It was her daughter's body," Padilla told News 13. "I left the house and said, 'I am going to find Caylee one way or another, with or without your help.'"

Padilla said his heart goes out to George and Cindy Anthony, because he said he knows they really loved the child.

Regarding Roy Kronk, who found the remains, Padilla said, "I don't think there was one meter reader acting alone."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/20/the_case_against_casey.html

[Donna]

[QUOTE=That's what I keep wondering - why? Why didn't Casey just give that child to George and Cindy and walk away?
[/QUOTE]

I think she didn't want to face the public condemnation of giving her child to her parents. That would make her like like a selfish, narcissistic witch with a 'b'. Better to simply kill the child. I think she thought she could then be thought of as a young, brave, mourning mother.

Donna

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony coverage: Why did this story rivet so many?
posted by halboedeker on Dec 19, 2008 6:18:51 PM



Why did Caylee Anthony's tragedy rivet so many across America?

CNN's Rick Sanchez offered his theory Friday afternoon: "I doubt there has ever been a story, at least in the last four or five years, that has gotten so much publicity. It's because, one would think, it's a young mother who is accused of killing her own child."

A more potent answer could be found in a WKMG-Channel 6 montage of the toddler's pictures, set to music. I'm usually no fan of that treacly style, and a friend described the segment as cheesy. Nevertheless, the station's sentimental approach was extremely effective, because it was haunting to see the child's face. Anchor Erick Weber said the little girl loved the color purple and could count to 45 in Spanish. Putting the focus on Caylee was appropriate -- although WKMG repeated the segment too often.

What do you think?

Dr. Jan Garavaglia, the Orange-Osceola chief medical examiner, delivered the news that the human remains were young Caylee and that the cause of death was homicide. Did people sigh in sadness at your office? They did at mine. But maybe it helped that Garavaglia gave the bad news. Many people consider her a comforting presence from her show, "Dr. G: Medical Examiner."


What happens next in the investigation? WFTV-Channel 9's Kathi Belich said she was told that Garavaglia "does believe she knows when Caylee was killed and believes she knows how long Caylee's body was in a trash bag in the woods, but that information is not being released."[

The day's other major development was the emergence of utility worker Roy Kronk, who found the remains last week.

"Imagine what it's been like to have been in this man's shoes for the last eight days," WESH-Channel 2's Bob Kealing said.

Kronk gave a brief statement at a news conference explaining that he had spotted a bag in the same area in August. He knows how to keep a low profile, and evidently, he will continue to do so. And who can blame him? He has seen the media circus and wants to avoid it.

His attorney, David Evans, described Kronk as a concerned citizen.

Yet Kronk has drawn a lot of scrutiny for alerting authorities three times in August, then finding the remains in December.

On MSNBC, former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt said of Kronk's find: "I don't like coincidences. This may be the coincidence for 2008."

George and Cindy Anthony, Caylee's grandparents, were grieving privately. Their attorney, Brad Conway, read a statement asking the public to pray for Caylee and to respect their privacy. Conway said the Anthony family will be available to help law enforcement.

Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, refused to discuss how she took the news. She is charged with the first-degree murder of Caylee.

"You really do not know half of the story," Baez told reporters.

I'm sure we're going to hear it in coming weeks. But Friday was Caylee's day. Maybe this time, if we're lucky, the victim won't be forgotten.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthon-6.html

[One2Snoop]

Dr. Jan Garavaglia's Statement
Friday, December 19, 2008 4:38:01 PM

The following is a verbatim transcription of the statement of Orange-Osceola County Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia, confirming that remains found a quarter-mile from the Anthony home are that of toddler Caylee Anthony:

With regret, I'm here to inform you that the skeletal remains found on Dec. 11 are those of the missing toddler Caylee Anthony. As our usual protocol, the next of kin have been notified prior to making this information public.

This identification was made by nuclear DNA taken from a portion of the remains and compared to a known profile of Caylee Anthony. The DNA analysis was performed by the FBI lab in Quantico, Va.

Except for the bone specimen used for the DNA, which has since been returned to my morgue, the remains have been maintained and analyzed at the District 9 morgue here in Orlando. These have been analyzed by myself, my deputy chief medical examiner and two forensic anthropologists – one from the University of Florida and one from the University of Central Florida.

My examination of the body and the evidence is complete barring no further bones being found, and the anthropologic exam will be finished up shortly.

The remains are completely skeletonized with no visible soft tissue present and no anti-mortem trauma evident, meaning that there was no trauma to the bones, prior to death.

Toxicology testing is still to be completed on the bone and hair. While this analysis may prove to be informative, it will be difficult to interpret levels from these specimens and, thus, will not be definitive in helping determine the cause of death.

The manner of death, though, is an opinion based on available information, including, examination of the body, information from the scene, as well as circumstantial evidence. Based on all of this, the manner of death in this case is homicide. The cause of death will be listed as homicide by undetermined means. Should other pertinent information become available, the cause of death could be revisited.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/12/19/dr._jan_garavaglia39s_statement_dec._19_2008.html

[lorettalockhorn]

$5 bra's at Target and groceries. Clothes for herself. There are some Target receipts that were posted and I think a few from grocery stores in the first or second release of documents but I don't think all of its been made public.

Well sure, we've seen her Tarjay shopping expedition, but that's got to be a drop in the bucket. That said, I hope the accounting is part of the ongoing investigation, and that we won't see where those dollars went until the trial. Maybe it's the other half of the story.

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Regarding Roy Kronk, who found the remains, Padilla said, "I don't think there was one meter reader acting alone."

Ahh the old Orange County Meter Reader Union conspiracy theory.

He made similar comments on one of the televised gabfests.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think she didn't want to face the public condemnation of giving her child to her parents. That would make her like like a selfish, narcissistic witch with a 'b'. Better to simply kill the child. I think she thought she could then be thought of as a young, brave, mourning mother.

Donna

But, but, but don't you actually have to mourn for that consideration to be made? Other than driving around with LE on numerous goosechases, did she ever look for Caylee? Don't you need to show some anxiety when your child is missing? There's a big difference in bravery/stoicism and flat affect.

[lorettalockhorn]

>>Yet Kronk has drawn a lot of scrutiny for alerting authorities three times in August, then finding the remains in December.

On MSNBC, former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt said of Kronk's find: "I don't like coincidences. This may be the coincidence for 2008."

Depending on the outcome of the OCSO internal investigation, I can see the hinky meter going off later on. For now it just seems like sheer laziness on the part of the deputy(s) involved.

[lorettalockhorn]

Crime-scene investigation vans arrive at taped-off Anthony house
From Staff Reports | Sentinel Staff Writer
3:25 PM EST, December 20, 2008
Four crime scene investigation vans just pulled up at the Anthony house. The property has been taped off as a crime scene. Deputies have entered the house, and crime-scene investigators are waiting outside.

Investigators have several empty boxes

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-anthony-home-crime-scene-122008,0,6774428.story

[One2Snoop]

Crime-scene investigation vans arrive at taped-off Anthony house
From Staff Reports | Sentinel Staff Writer
3:25 PM EST, December 20, 2008
Four crime scene investigation vans just pulled up at the Anthony house. The property has been taped off as a crime scene. Deputies have entered the house, and crime-scene investigators are waiting outside.

Investigators have several empty boxes

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-anthony-home-crime-scene-122008,0,6774428.story

WOW! :eek: I wonder what else they found at the crime scene that they needed to go back to the house?

[lorettalockhorn]

WOW! :eek: I wonder what else they found at the crime scene that they needed to go back to the house?

You know, yesterday they repeated several times that something of significance had been found. (If I'm remembering correctly.)

[One2Snoop]

You know, yesterday they repeated several times that something of significance had been found. (If I'm remembering correctly.)

The book, linens from the bed, duct tape, plastic trash bags and Caylee, what else could she have put in the bag? I remember there was talk early on that laundry soap was found in the trunk with the pizza box and maggots - now my curiosity is up and I need to be packing for my trip.

[lorettalockhorn]

The book, linens from the bed, duct tape, plastic trash bags and Caylee, what else could she have put in the bag? I remember there was talk early on that laundry soap was found in the trunk with the pizza box and maggots - now my curiosity is up and I need to be packing for my trip.

I'm pretty sure that the word "significant" was used yesterday, maybe it was the day before. There were comments made about the manner of death being made on circumstantial evidence. Maybe they have something else to match up.

Have a safe trip!

[One2Snoop]

Don't the Anthony's ever address Caylee by her name? Look whats posted on her web page.... :confused:

We now know this precious child is safe and we hope that she will serve as the angel who protects thousands of missing children and their families.

http://helpfindcaylee.usualbeings.com/contact.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't the Anthony's ever address Caylee by her name? Look whats posted on her web page.... :confused:

We now know this precious child is safe and we hope that she will serve as the angel who protects thousands of missing children and their families.

http://helpfindcaylee.usualbeings.com/contact.html

I thought the statement that Brad Conway read yesterday was very touching (I wonder if he wrote that all on his oddy knocky), and ending the statement with the words Caylee Marie Anthony was very effective. The Ants (especially Casey) simply do not personalize Caylee enough.

Thre's something on HNN(HLN) right now.

ETA I think that quote on the website is taken directly from that statement, now that I think about it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Fox has a blurb too. Just basically a recap of events so far.

Oh okay, the reporter just reiterated that he was told that material evidence other than bones was found at the Suburban Drive site and that it's possible that other arrests could be made at some date.

[One2Snoop]

Just reported "additional material evidence other than bones" Well that leaves it wide open LOL.

[sharlock]

Regarding Roy Kronk, who found the remains, Padilla said, "I don't think there was one meter reader acting alone."
I think Padilla may have gotten confused with the meter reader who was standing next to the boss giving him the details of what was found?

[lorettalockhorn]

Camera Watches Caylee Anthony Remains Scene

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Investigators have cleared the scene where Caylee Anthony's remains were found more than a week ago.

Detectives finished their search of the area late Saturday afternoon. "No Trespassing" signs have been posted and a camera is watching over the property, which is less than a half a mile from the home of her grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.

Also Saturday, detectives served a search warrant on the Anthonys' home.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18325661/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Just reported "additional material evidence other than bones" Well that leaves it wide open LOL.

So true! I'll assume that they either took soil samples way back when (after the cadaver dogs hit), and they would put those in buckets rather than boxes, so it doesn't seem likely that they would be after that kind of thing, or plant samples based on the botonist's or entymologist's findings.

Does anyone know if the cadaver dogs were ever taken inside the home?

[Gatordog]

>>Regarding Roy Kronk, who found the remains, Padilla said, "I don't think there was one meter reader acting alone."

Ahh the old Orange County Meter Reader Union conspiracy theory.

He made similar comments on one of the televised gabfests.

He's just trying to cover up for releasing the wrong name.

[Gatordog]

I'm jumping ahead and posting rather than reading posts, just don't have the energy. The two antibiotics I'm taking are just taking their toll on me.

Just heard that detectives were at the Anthony house again today. Heard it was another search but can't be 100% as I didn't get the whole report.

LE invited Baez to go to the buial crime scene at 11:30 a.m. He declined and hasn't gone yet.

Remember when Det Allen was so sure Leonard Padilla was wrong about Blanchard Park? It was reported that he knew it wasn't that location due to tests run on the dirt found in the trunk of the car.

Also, I happened to throw away my garbage and put it in a "black" bag. I put it next to another bag of garbage and the bag looked gray. I looked at my boxes and found I have two different brands of garbage bags. The one I just used was from Target. They look dark gray not black when they are full. Target!

I'll update again if I hear anything new at 6.

Gator :(

[Gatordog]

You know, yesterday they repeated several times that something of significance had been found. (If I'm remembering correctly.)

Maybe they found the missing cell phone.

[readmylips]

Maybe they found the missing cell phone.

Gator,

I'm sorry you're feeling bad! :( I hope you feel better soon.

When you do, I posted to you with an inquiry for your input. When you feel up to it - I think it is a page back now.

Feel better! :)

[Gatordog]

I think she didn't want to face the public condemnation of giving her child to her parents. That would make her like like a selfish, narcissistic witch with a 'b'. Better to simply kill the child. I think she thought she could then be thought of as a young, brave, mourning mother.

Donna

That would have made Cindy happy - the only people the Liar wanted to please were men.

[lorettalockhorn]

He's just trying to cover up for releasing the wrong name.

Was it Clint who named German Gonzales? Never knew that, thanks!

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe they found the missing cell phone.

They took seven containers today. Wonder what time they actually asked for the search warrant; makes me wonder if they found something today. Going back, I think it was Thursday that Nieves made the statement about the "significant" find.

Cannot believe that Baez had such a snit about not being allowed on the crime scene during the investigation, and now he doesn't want to see it. Or maybe Henry Lee's photos were sufficient.

Also, I think late in the week luminol was used at the crime scene after dark. Maybe they are linking fibers or something found during that search to the Anthonys' house.

Does anyone know if cadaver dogs were taken inside the house?

[Gatordog]

Gator,

Your perspective interests me greatly for obvious reasons. I tried going back and browsing through your posts to see the progression of your opinions and experiences in this case but there were so many posts I wasn't really able to get the clear picture I was shooting for.

I may be misinterpreting your words now but it seems that you have softened your opinion of Cindy greatly. If I am reading that right, what has caused that? Is it because you are soft hearted or because of specific information or experiences?

The little I have read leads me to have almost as much contempt for Cindy as I do for Casey but your words are making me question whether that is a fair assumption on my part.

Thanks in advance for your input and for being such a caring person!

ReadMyLips,

You're right, I've swung like a pendulum on Cindy. She is a fighter as she proved to the protestors and to me. She has fought for the wrong person too often. I wish she had fought her daughter that strongly for Caylee but it's too late for that now. She adored Caylee and I guess I feel sorry for her and I think that if it's true that she did physically attack Casey, then she is going to blame herself for Caylee's murder for the rest of her life. Also, I guess it's easier to blame LE for not doing their jobs and it's easy to accuse the public of not caring to find Caylee than it is to accept that the one person in the world you love the most, your daughter, has killed the most precious person in your life. Cindy was shown coming out of the house after she was able to get her dogs, while they were at the hotel. The camera focused on her in the car and she was hugging one dog and kissing the other dog. The look on her face was haunting, it was as if she had just one second of a normal life again and then it was like all she had left to love was her dogs. I'm just a real softee. Maybe it's because she's been quiet. Once she starts spewing about her daughter being a great mother, she angers me again.

Gator

[Gatordog]

They took seven containers today. Wonder what time they actually asked for the search warrant; makes me wonder if they found something today. Going back, I think it was Thursday that Nieves made the statement about the "significant" find.

Cannot believe that Baez had such a snit about not being allowed on the crime scene during the investigation, and now he doesn't want to see it. Or maybe Henry Lee's photos were sufficient.

Also, I think late in the week luminol was used at the crime scene after dark. Maybe they are linking fibers or something found during that search to the Anthonys' house.

Does anyone know if cadaver dogs were taken inside the house?

I've seen no reports of cadaver dogs being taken into the house. I would say they have not.

[Gatordog]

Was it Clint who named German Gonzales? Never knew that, thanks!

No not Clint - Leonard Padilla said it was German Gonzales.

[One2Snoop]

Maybe they found the missing cell phone.

I posted the same thought the other day! Wouldn't that be something! :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

No not Clint - Leonard Padilla said it was German Gonzales.

WHEW! That's what I was thinking. But somehow (hydrocodone maybe??) my brain took me back to Clint Van Zandt's statement about the meter reader. Sorry if I just made you feel worse trying to figure out WTH I was talking about.

[lorettalockhorn]

I suppose Caylee's book might be one thing that LE might have been looking for at the Anthonys' today; the one that seemed to look so much like whatever was laying on the ground in the photos.

[Gatordog]

How F ing weird is this? I mean when I call for someone to pick me up , out of gas or car broken down, I don't start walking away after the call. I think that is bizarre. Sounds like somebody did not want somebody to smell the back of the car. Anybody else just take off after they call their husband, boyfriend or friend.? She did the exact same thing when she was walking the first time on Chickasaw Drive. Sorry for all the cussing, I am kind of frustrated and hungry and no other word fit, but I bleeped myself for those who do not want to read my smut. LOL

Hi Shark :seeya:

Whenever my car had broken down, I've always sat in the car and waited. Oh, but then the inside of my car has never smelled like a morgue.:cool:

Hey, my snide side is starting to show up, maybe I'm getting better. :)

[lighthousedazy]

No not Clint - Leonard Padilla said it was German Gonzales.I like to listen to what Leonard has to say, but I think he likes drama too like many of us. I couldn't remember where the Gonzalez name for the meter reader came from.

I do not want to offend our tireless, hardworking LE, but I have a hard time believing the rattle snake story. I grew up in the woods in central Georgia, and I have jumped over rattlers and walked around a lake where water moccasins were all along the edge in the water. Yes, I can be afraid of a snake if they are in a strike position coming at me, but if you leave them alone and don't get near they will stay away from you. The policeman had a gun, period..... why did the snake stop him, in Florida?? My husband killed a rattler in our shed with a little 22 pistol. My mother and grandmother have killed many with a hoe. The snake story puzzles me. jmo :shrug:

[wind149]

Hey everyone! My computer died that is why I have not been on. Last week when the remains were found, I was relieved but also very sad because now it is confirmed that C is dead. Puts all of G&C's "sightings" in the bullcrap crapper and now the state of FL needs to execute this *****!!! The duct tape got me, she must have put that over the child's mouth and then suffocated her with the chlorform, this by no means was an accidental death, she meant to kill C no doubt in my mind!! And last night, listening to Baez's comment about "you don't know half the story" What the hell did he mean by that??? I suppose Zenaida killed the child? I understand that C&G have asked for privacy and this coming from two morons that licked up every minute in the spotlight running their spin about how C is alive somewhere and that "they are being watched" Did anyone find out what wooded area G was seen peering into? Was it were C was found? And a deputy's head is gonna roll if it comes to light that he did not search that area well, had he, C would have been found sooner, and I think he is lying to save his ass! And boy! Did LP hit it right on the nose when he said that CA had told him that C was not far from home and then we heard it from her lips too on the jail tapes!! I understand the trial is now been moved up to March and I can tell you guys that I plan if they have it on TRU will watch every minute, I want to see this loser ***** squirm in her seat! I heard that right after they told her that a child's remains were found near her home that she "sobbed uncontrollably" Had that not been C, she would not have batted an eyelash, by her sobbing, it tells the whole world that she knew the jig was up and she also knew the DNA would come back as C's and also knows she blew her life up in spades! I want her to get the DP. too bad FL does not use the chair, I would love to see her sitting it and when they flip the switch she screams all the way to hell!! Somehow scum like her and Couey deserve so much more pain than a needle stick and that is all the pain they will feel! Or maybe this for punishment. 23 hour lockdown, no TV or radio, no books or magazines, a shower a week, one hour out a day in a dog cage. nothing to do but state at 4 walls for the rest of her miserable ass life Yesterday was an extremely painful day for me. My beloved cat Nyja who was 18 was put down. She had been going downhill since August, I took her to the vet then and she thought she had a intestinal infection and she was treating her for that, but it wasn't working and she was vomiting and losing weight and I decided as painful as this is, I had to let her go and all day and last night I felt like I murdered her and spent all last night crying, could not sleep, she wasn't in the bed and this ***** murders her daughter because she got in her way of a good time and my baby had to go to God and she was 17, C was 2 when this loser skank suffocated her for no other reason!! And I am convinced Cindy knows more than she has let on and she should be charged with obstruction and withholding evidence. I can't fathom how in hell they could stand behind her knowing she murdered their grandbaby in cold blood! If this was my kid ,I would disown her for what she has done!! It could not be more clearer who murdered the child!!! CASEY!!!!!!! And what spin are we gonna hear next when they break their silence???? And to hire a spokesperson is ridiculous who do they think they are celebrities???? I hope to have a new computer by next month so I am not gonna post much as I am on my friend's right now

[lorettalockhorn]

I like to listen to what Leonard has to say, but I think he likes drama too like many of us. I couldn't remember where the Gonzalez name for the meter reader came from.

I do not want to offend our tireless, hardworking LE, but I have a hard time believing the rattle snake story. I grew up in the woods in central Georgia, and I have jumped over rattlers and walked around a lake where water moccasins were all along the edge in the water. Yes, I can be afraid of a snake if they are in a strike position coming at me, but if you leave them alone and don't get near they will stay away from you. The policeman had a gun, period..... why did the snake stop him, in Florida?? My husband killed a rattler in our shed with a little 22 pistol. My mother and grandmother have killed many with a hoe. The snake story puzzles me. jmo :shrug:

If this deputy (or any other deputy anywhere) did not follow through on a lead in this case (or any other case) because of a rattlesnake, he needs to go to big boy camp.

And I'd like to know who these guys are who passed the buck or whatever, like yesterday. I almost always support LE 150%, but it shouldn't be taking this long to track down three phone calls and or dispatch calls and whether or not there were reports made. Period. It's great that they came out and made the announcement about the SNAFU, but they need to have this cleared up by now. Especially with any unwarranted speculation being made about Mr. Kronk and the necessity for him to have hired an attorney.

Great to see you Wind! :seeya: So happy to see you'll have a new puter soon. Merry Christmas!

[Gatordog]

I like to listen to what Leonard has to say, but I think he likes drama too like many of us. I couldn't remember where the Gonzalez name for the meter reader came from.

I do not want to offend our tireless, hardworking LE, but I have a hard time believing the rattle snake story. I grew up in the woods in central Georgia, and I have jumped over rattlers and walked around a lake where water moccasins were all along the edge in the water. Yes, I can be afraid of a snake if they are in a strike position coming at me, but if you leave them alone and don't get near they will stay away from you. The policeman had a gun, period..... why did the snake stop him, in Florida?? My husband killed a rattler in our shed with a little 22 pistol. My mother and grandmother have killed many with a hoe. The snake story puzzles me. jmo :shrug:

He probably isn't a Florida native. I'm from NYC and they don't scare me but they make my brother jump out of his skin and scream like a little girl.:D

[lighthousedazy]

Hey everyone! My computer died that is why I have not been on. Last week when the remains were found, I was relieved but also very sad because now it is confirmed that C is dead. Puts all of G&C's "sightings" in the bullcrap crapper and now the state of FL needs to execute this *****!!! The duct tape got me, she must have put that over the child's mouth and then suffocated her with the chlorform, this by no means was an accidental death, she meant to kill C no doubt in my mind!! And last night, listening to Baez's comment about "you don't know half the story" What the hell did he mean by that??? I suppose Zenaida killed the child? I understand that C&G have asked for privacy and this coming from two morons that licked up every minute in the spotlight running their spin about how C is alive somewhere and that "they are being watched" Did anyone find out what wooded area G was seen peering into? Was it were C was found? And a deputy's head is gonna roll if it comes to light that he did not search that area well, had he, C would have been found sooner, and I think he is lying to save his ass! And boy! Did LP hit it right on the nose when he said that CA had told him that C was not far from home and then we heard it from her lips too on the jail tapes!! I understand the trial is now been moved up to March and I can tell you guys that I plan if they have it on TRU will watch every minute, I want to see this loser ***** squirm in her seat! I heard that right after they told her that a child's remains were found near her home that she "sobbed uncontrollably" Had that not been C, she would not have batted an eyelash, by her sobbing, it tells the whole world that she knew the jig was up and she also knew the DNA would come back as C's and also knows she blew her life up in spades! I want her to get the DP. too bad FL does not use the chair, I would love to see her sitting it and when they flip the switch she screams all the way to hell!! Somehow scum like her and Couey deserve so much more pain than a needle stick and that is all the pain they will feel! Or maybe this for punishment. 23 hour lockdown, no TV or radio, no books or magazines, a shower a week, one hour out a day in a dog cage. nothing to do but state at 4 walls for the rest of her miserable ass life Yesterday was an extremely painful day for me. My beloved cat Nyja who was 18 was put down. She had been going downhill since August, I took her to the vet then and she thought she had a intestinal infection and she was treating her for that, but it wasn't working and she was vomiting and losing weight and I decided as painful as this is, I had to let her go and all day and last night I felt like I murdered her and spent all last night crying, could not sleep, she wasn't in the bed and this ***** murders her daughter because she got in her way of a good time and my baby had to go to God and she was 17, C was 2 when this loser skank suffocated her for no other reason!! And I am convinced Cindy knows more than she has let on and she should be charged with obstruction and withholding evidence. I can't fathom how in hell they could stand behind her knowing she murdered their grandbaby in cold blood! If this was my kid ,I would disown her for what she has done!! It could not be more clearer who murdered the child!!! CASEY!!!!!!! And what spin are we gonna hear next when they break their silence???? And to hire a spokesperson is ridiculous who do they think they are celebrities???? I hope to have a new computer by next month so I am not gonna post much as I am on my friend's right nowHi, Wind, I am sorry about your kitty. My computer is slow too and thank goodness I'm getting dsl next week.

I to believe casey murdered that beautiful little angel. It makes me sick. I cannot stand to hear of an animal abuse case or especially the torture and murder of a little child. I wish lightning would come into that jail cell and strike casey anthony and render her helpless and frozen in her own body still alive and not able to move one single muscle and no one would come to her aid; just like she snuffed out the life of her little child. I am not a wicked person but this case makes me mad and I think it's time we need to put the victim ahead of the scumbag criminal. Sorry for my rant. :flamemad: jmo

[Gatordog]

Hey everyone! My computer died that is why I have not been on. Last week when the remains were found, I was relieved but also very sad because now it is confirmed that C is dead. Puts all of G&C's "sightings" in the bullcrap crapper and now the state of FL needs to execute this *****!!! The duct tape got me, she must have put that over the child's mouth and then suffocated her with the chlorform, this by no means was an accidental death, she meant to kill C no doubt in my mind!! And last night, listening to Baez's comment about "you don't know half the story" What the hell did he mean by that??? I suppose Zenaida killed the child? I understand that C&G have asked for privacy and this coming from two morons that licked up every minute in the spotlight running their spin about how C is alive somewhere and that "they are being watched" Did anyone find out what wooded area G was seen peering into? Was it were C was found? And a deputy's head is gonna roll if it comes to light that he did not search that area well, had he, C would have been found sooner, and I think he is lying to save his ass! And boy! Did LP hit it right on the nose when he said that CA had told him that C was not far from home and then we heard it from her lips too on the jail tapes!! I understand the trial is now been moved up to March and I can tell you guys that I plan if they have it on TRU will watch every minute, I want to see this loser ***** squirm in her seat! I heard that right after they told her that a child's remains were found near her home that she "sobbed uncontrollably" Had that not been C, she would not have batted an eyelash, by her sobbing, it tells the whole world that she knew the jig was up and she also knew the DNA would come back as C's and also knows she blew her life up in spades! I want her to get the DP. too bad FL does not use the chair, I would love to see her sitting it and when they flip the switch she screams all the way to hell!! Somehow scum like her and Couey deserve so much more pain than a needle stick and that is all the pain they will feel! Or maybe this for punishment. 23 hour lockdown, no TV or radio, no books or magazines, a shower a week, one hour out a day in a dog cage. nothing to do but state at 4 walls for the rest of her miserable ass life Yesterday was an extremely painful day for me. My beloved cat Nyja who was 18 was put down. She had been going downhill since August, I took her to the vet then and she thought she had a intestinal infection and she was treating her for that, but it wasn't working and she was vomiting and losing weight and I decided as painful as this is, I had to let her go and all day and last night I felt like I murdered her and spent all last night crying, could not sleep, she wasn't in the bed and this ***** murders her daughter because she got in her way of a good time and my baby had to go to God and she was 17, C was 2 when this loser skank suffocated her for no other reason!! And I am convinced Cindy knows more than she has let on and she should be charged with obstruction and withholding evidence. I can't fathom how in hell they could stand behind her knowing she murdered their grandbaby in cold blood! If this was my kid ,I would disown her for what she has done!! It could not be more clearer who murdered the child!!! CASEY!!!!!!! And what spin are we gonna hear next when they break their silence???? And to hire a spokesperson is ridiculous who do they think they are celebrities???? I hope to have a new computer by next month so I am not gonna post much as I am on my friend's right now

First, my heartfelt sympathy goes to you on the loss of Nyja. That is never an easy decision to make but you made it out of love. I am sure Nyja had a wonderful life and you did everything to make it a great life. :rose:

As to the locations, they are not the same and miles apart.

[Gatordog]

Gator,

I'm sorry you're feeling bad! :( I hope you feel better soon.

When you do, I posted to you with an inquiry for your input. When you feel up to it - I think it is a page back now.

Feel better! :)

Feeling good now. The antibiotics make me feel "ookie", I think was one of Loretta's words, for a couple of hours. I did answer your post as best as I could.

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

What role will forensics play?
Last Edited: Saturday, 20 Dec 2008, 12:08 AM EST
Created: Saturday, 20 Dec 2008, 12:08 AM EST

By David Martin
FOX 35 NEWS

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- We now know it's Caylee.

It's the beginning of the healing process. But the work is far from over.

Now it's time to prepare for the trial, processing all the clues from the dirt in the woods.

Casey's murder trial will hold fascinating forensic details; the minutiae that's being sifted through.

We talked to ITT Criminal Justice Chair, Shelly Shaffer, about what is and isn't out there.

First, why toxicology reports will yield nothing:

“Any kind of drug or any kind of substance that perhaps Caylee was given would go into the flesh and the lungs or into the organs,” says Shaffer. ”We don't have any of that flesh, no organs. We just have pure skeletal remains. Just bones.”

And about those bones, that's where the mystery lies.

Orange County medical examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia could not give a cause of death. So we don't know if it was suffocation. We don't know if it was an overdose of something such as chloroform. We have no idea, because there's no tissue left.

But what might be left is a report from the etymologist, the bug expert.

“The entomologist is good for the prosecution because it can prove how long the body was there. There are still bugs in the bag probably,” Shaffer said. “Maggots. We can tell by collecting the maggots how old they are. A day old. Weeks or months, that can tell us how long the bag was there.”

And where that bag's been.

Maybe the plant expert will submit some clues.

“The botanist is just going to reveal if there was any vegetation on the bag, or in the bag that could have come from a different area,” Shaffer said. “Or if the body was once placed, there are different kinds of soil in different areas. So perhaps the soil in the Anthony's backyard is different than in the woods 15 houses away.”

Shaffer says the entomology report will be good for the prosecution.

The maggots will determine how long the bag of bones was sitting in the woods.

“To show that it was there prior to when Casey was imprisoned,” Shaffer said. “If we don't show anything happened prior to December 11th, or prior to when Casey was imprisoned, Baez will just be able to say ‘My client was in jail’. She could not have possibly put that bag there or killed her child. So the maggots and their age are going to be very important to this case.

But to prove Casey herself put the bag out there?

“Forensics' best bet right now is to try to find fingerprints that match Casey on either the bag or the duct tape that was supposedly found,” Shaffer said. “On the sticky side of the tape, she had to stretch that and there could possibly be skin cells that are still on the sticky side of the tape, which could lead back to Casey.”

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8113907&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Now this is where I think the prosecution is going to have one hell of a time. They just don't have a cause of death. They don't know if she was drowned, poisoned choked or whatever. As Geraldo said, maybe she choked on her gum.

A lawyer said on CNN said they dont have Murder 1 now because they can't prove the abuse aspect, ie if she chloroformed her and killed her in the process. He says Casey could walk unless they include a lesser offense, like manslaughter.:mad::flamemad:

If so, I'd be willing to get up a lynch mob. LOL

[Donna]

Caylee Updates: Saturday, December 20, 2008

Dear friends and the media:

The Caylee Marie Anthony websites are being redesigned and updated; we encourage you to continue to visit them. New domains may be established at a later date.

www.helpfindcaylee.com
www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing

Florida Mall Photo: In the meantime I am requesting that if you were kind enough to market the recent photo from the Florida Mall back on November 16th through your websites and Myspace default photos that you discard that photo and any information associated with it. Despite our efforts in trying to locate who we thought was Caylee Marie at the time, the recent developments prove otherwise. The child in this photo, even though no one had come forward, is obviously not that of Caylee Marie.

When this sighting had come in along with many others, I took the situation seriously prior to releasing it to the public. As a public relations specialist for over twenty years, I chose to distribute the photo on the basis that the evidence, witness statement, and family’s belief this child was Caylee, our decision to release it would help bring her home. I have no regrets in releasing the photo and I apologize in advance if in the future someone does come forward, Caylee Marie took my breath away and any choices we made as a team in order to help bring her home were made with all good intentions.

Again, we ask that you please remove the photo from your source of communications’ efforts and thank each of you for lending a helping hand in the search for Caylee Marie.

Myspace Friends: if in the past you submitted a comment or message request, anything prior to December 19th will be erased. I have over 3500 messages to read and anything prior to yesterday is appreciated but most likely won’t be relevant today. I encourage you please send a “comment” request of holiday nature or sympathy to the family and if positive in nature, your request will be posted. Any negative comments or any giving opinions on Caylee’s mom will also be deleted. This is and has always been Caylee’s site and we ask you to please respect that if she was the one managing it.

Services
At this time no arrangements have been made, as soon as they have we will post on www.helpfindcaylee.com.

The family requests that you give them time; any media requests please direct them to their attorney Brad Conway.

Thank you for your continued support, the entire nation has lost an Angel this week.

Michelle A. Bart, Helping Heroes


This makes me sick. What about an apology to the family of thus unknown child? What about an apology to Amy H. or Jesse G? Just a little 'oops!"

Donna

[TOEJAM]

He probably isn't a Florida native. I'm from NYC and they don't scare me but they make my brother jump out of his skin and scream like a little girl.:D


I am one who would have a lot of sympathy for someone who would avoid an area because of a snake. not only would i not go near it i would never go to the area again just in case he was there waiting for me....I lived in New Mexico for four years and it only made things worse.....I would not have been a good person to be on any of the search teams......

[Justice Denied?]

This is 100% my theory as well-but she is a lazy girl and her source of money dried up, IE Mom and Dad and Amy. I am certain that the "trip to PR" detailed in her text messages was cover for her planned run. But her relationship with TonE kept her around...gteed when his interest started waning, she would have headed out. JMO. Remember that she kept asking Cindy for one more day on the 911 tape? She would have been poof.

Maybe she was broke having spent all Amy's money. Maybe she couldn't afford to skip.