Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Nantes]

Howdy!
I am new to this board, but have been lurking for awhile. This story fascinates me and I love getting all the information and updates from all of you.
I currently work with two women who have sons who have killed someone. I just don't seem to understand it. I too love my children and would stand by them if they did something horrible, but I would make them take responsibility for their actions!! Both of these women have enabled their children all through life and they have raised losers because of it. Now that they have actually done the horrible deed of killing someone, they both believe it was not their son's fault. One was off his meds and the other was made to do it by another person. I can only hope that I have raised my sons to know right from wrong better than they have.
I see the same thing in the way the Anthonys are sticking to the story of the nanny and all. I hope that one day they finally accept the truth and instead of supporting their daughter in her lies, they try to get her to tell the truth and take responsibility for the deeds she has done. I guess only time will tell what their actions are in the end.

nantes

[FDInLaw]

Mornin'! :seeya:

I guess we are the early crew! :)

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As to the Casey needing help moving the body around, if this is the case, has Lee given his prints and a dna sample to LE???

[FDInLaw]

First of all I'd like to say that I enjoy reading all the posts on this case, I've been a lurker for a couple of years now, and just started posting now and then mainly when I see the Ants Antics!!! That Cindy makes it really hard to feel sympathy for her, she makes me so mad at times that I have to walk away from my computer just to calm down. I find it incredibly hard to believe that
Cindy would have allowed Zanny to look after her granddaughter, especially when reading the transcripts IIRC she wouldn't even let one of the Liar's hispanic girlfriends in the house, she didn't want her daughter even hanging out with her.. Given this I really can't see Cindy willingly going along with so called
Zanny the nanny taking care of Caylee, much less her having a key and the run of her house can any of you?

Howdy!
I am new to this board, but have been lurking for awhile. This story fascinates me and I love getting all the information and updates from all of you.
I currently work with two women who have sons who have killed someone. I just don't seem to understand it. I too love my children and would stand by them if they did something horrible, but I would make them take responsibility for their actions!! Both of these women have enabled their children all through life and they have raised losers because of it. Now that they have actually done the horrible deed of killing someone, they both believe it was not their son's fault. One was off his meds and the other was made to do it by another person. I can only hope that I have raised my sons to know right from wrong better than they have.
I see the same thing in the way the Anthonys are sticking to the story of the nanny and all. I hope that one day they finally accept the truth and instead of supporting their daughter in her lies, they try to get her to tell the truth and take responsibility for the deeds she has done. I guess only time will tell what their actions are in the end.

nantes
Welcome! :seeya:

[tv]

Mornin'! :seeya:

I guess we are the early crew! :)

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As to the Casey needing help moving the body around, if this is the case, has Lee given his prints and a dna sample to LE???

Hi FDInLaw! :seeya: It's nice to see you outside of the OJ forum. I decided to take a break from it and see what's going on in the rest of the world! :)

[FDInLaw]

Hi FDInLaw! :seeya: It's nice to see you outside of the OJ forum. I decided to take a break from it and see what's going on in the rest of the world! :)
This is the perfect place to do it! New stuff most every day, and the defendant has an OJ-like legal dream team. One HUGE difference you will find here. . . no one is taking up for the defendant. (Should we round Martin up? LOL. . . j/k :D ).


Good to have you! :seeya:

[Twinners]

I hear you and agree. When Nona died three years ago, they had to hold her Mom, Carol back when she arrived on the crime scene. . . she kept saying "I want to see my baby!" and crying uncontrollably. This is a normal response!

It's like C&G are hiding from the truth. . . . putting it off as long as possible. MOO

You know what angers me is when C&G found out that there was a body found...not one of them went to the site...if that was me in there shoes I would of been there making a scene to see my child...is it me or do any of you guy feel the same way? to me that makes me think ever more of there guilt of this...they need to wake up already this IS Caylee and Casey killed her...strangers people who never met this little girl went there and layed flowers and other special little gifts...what did C&G bring her? I'm sorry I have no respect, no sympathy just anger towards them...if casey was my daughter you bet your butt I would be down her throat...she would be begging them to put her in jail...ok I'm done venting now..
There was no reason for Cindy or George to go to the crime scene. Their plane from California didn't touch down until sometime after 4:00 that day. Caylee's remains had been taken from the site to the ME's office about an hour earlier.

[tv]

This is the perfect place to do it! New stuff most every day, and the defendant has an OJ-like legal dream team. One HUGE difference you will find here. . . no one is taking up for the defendant. (Should we round Martin up? LOL. . . j/k :D ).


Good to have you! :seeya:

Thanks for the welcome, FD. :) This case is so fascinating on so many different levels and I think the whole forum has fallen in love with little Caylee. As for the dream team, the presence of Kathy Reichs is really interesting to me. I love her books and I can't believe she would be anything but impartial. It'll be interesting to see what she comes up with.

(shhh...don't say martin's name too loud...:tongue:)

[FDInLaw]

There was no reason for Cindy or George to go to the crime scene. Their plane from California didn't touch down until sometime after 4:00 that day. Caylee's remains had been taken from the site to the ME's office about an hour earlier.
Was it public knowledge at the time that the remains were already removed? IIRC it was not. Mind you, what C&G would be told might differ (?).

[Twinners]

Was it public knowledge at the time that the remains were already removed? IIRC it was not. Mind you, what C&G would be told might differ (?).
The online news feed I was watching showed the ME's van leaving the scene with the remains, so I assume it was public knowledge. IIRC, other passengers on the plane said there were roughly 10 police officers waiting for Cindy and George as soon as they stepped off the plane that day. They then took them to an undisclosed location. I think they would've filled G & C in on the whereabouts of Caylee's remains when they picked them up, even if it weren't public knowledge at the time.

[FDInLaw]

The online news feed I was watching showed the ME's van leaving the scene with the remains, so I assume it was public knowledge. IIRC, other passengers on the plane said there were roughly 10 police officers waiting for Cindy and George as soon as they stepped off the plane that day. They then took them to an undisclosed location. I think they would've filled them in on the whereabouts of Caylee's remains when they picked them up, even if it weren't public knowledge at the time.IMO it's not just about the body. . . I find it odd that C&G have not expressed an interest in visiting the site. This is where THEIR granddaughter was tossed like a common house cat. However, it appears that they desire to wait for an official identification to start grieving, so, we will see if they visit after that.

[Its just me]

I'm fairly sure the guy who signed Casey don't (brain dead) said on NG that the body had been double baged. If I understood him correct the top bag was maybe wrapped over the first bag holding Caylee and the top bag was wrapped with duck tape. Sorry I don't know if this is his theory or if it's actual facts. Anyone know??

The thing that catches my eye is the day Casey got the tool for George from her car trunk. I don't know how close George got to the car but if Caylee had been dead in the trunk for any length of time there would have been a terrible odor. I'm basing the terrible smell on what was reported said by a guy involved in the towing of the car someway or maybe it was someone in LE. Anyhow he was familiar with the death odor because a guy had comitted suicide and was not found in his car for around 5 days. He said that car smelled worse that the A's car.

FWIW...I have hope Justice is going to prevail in Caylee's case. fep

[Twinners]

I find it incredibly hard to believe that
Cindy would have allowed Zanny to look after her granddaughter, especially when reading the transcripts IIRC she wouldn't even let one of the Liar's hispanic girlfriends in the house, she didn't want her daughter even hanging out with her.. Given this I really can't see Cindy willingly going along with so called
Zanny the nanny taking care of Caylee, much less her having a key and the run of her house can any of you?
No, I can't. However, I don't think Cindy knew not-real-Zanny had a key to the house until she asked Casey about it in one of their conversations at the jail. Also, even though it may have driven Cindy bonkers to know "Zanny" was watching Caylee, there was really nothing she could do about it, except maybe complain.

JMO.

[Twinners]

IMO it's not just about the body. . . I find it odd that C&G have not expressed an interest in visiting the site. This is where THEIR granddaughter was tossed like a common house cat. However, it appears that they desire to wait for an official identification to start grieving, so, we will see if they visit after that.
If they did go, the most they could do is stand on the sidelines like everyone else and watch what is going on from a distance. They can't get close to where Caylee was yet. When they can, I expect they'll visit the site. I just don't think it will be when the cameras are watching.

[One2Snoop]

I think Gator might be able to help with the "rain" situation.

I don't believe the body was in the same spot the entire time and that the water moved the bag Caylee was in. I can't imagine Caylee weighing as much as a log to cause an indentation - but I have to admit I know nothing about it other than seeing a few logs sitting in the same spot for a period of time.

I agree with you about the Cindy/Zenaida situation - something not mentally right there (on Cindy's end) if you think about it. JMO

But if the body was not there the whole time then there are only two possibilities someone helped her and moved it around, and why if someone was helping her would they move it so close, why not move it to another county, a swamp, another state?? Or if you take that to the limit, Casey would have to be innocent and not involved because there is no way after she had a monitor on and all that press was there that Casey was driving around moving a body. No way, so which scenario do you believe if you do not believe the body was there all along? Another thing I did find interesting unrelated to the body is that in the statement about seeking immunity, the new laywer, his name escapes me this late said that he realizes the Anthonys have given conflicting statements and when they are re-interviewed there will be no conflicting statements but he says they have done nothing wrong. Are they ready to admit, there was no Zenaida, no pizza , no investigator who verified that Casey was telling the truth about everything??

After re-reading your post - what I meant about the body not being in the same place the entire time is that I believe the water moved it around - not necessarily a person.

[joekuhl79]

There was no reason for Cindy or George to go to the crime scene. Their plane from California didn't touch down until sometime after 4:00 that day. Caylee's remains had been taken from the site to the ME's office about an hour earlier.

I agree with you....they weren't there, and they are STILL hoping that this is NOT Caylee (though I think at least George knows the score)....why would they want to see this skeleton?

[joekuhl79]

I'm fairly sure the guy who signed Casey don't (brain dead)



?!?!?!?

Padilla?!

[Its just me]

IMO it's not just about the body. . . I find it odd that C&G have not expressed an interest in visiting the site. This is where THEIR granddaughter was tossed like a common house cat. However, it appears that they desire to wait for an official identification to start grieving, so, we will see if they visit after that.

Please FDInLaw Don't get me wrong... I know you to be a wonderful and caring person and I see the same in all you posters here and I would never be negative in a mean spirited way about any of your thoughts and opinions. I’m in NO WAY taking up for the A's. I can't think of a thing I'd like to commend them for after those 911 calls and I have some problems in all that.
With that said...My son was killed in less than a mile from my home. I loved him with all my being but I could not go to the scene nor could I go and make the positive ID of his body at the hospital. He died instantly and was at the scene a good while before being taken to the local hospital. (Common procedure here) My sister and brother took care of the positive ID process and my brothers watched over the scene. I am yet to go to the scene and it was a long long time before I didn't have serious problems each time I had to drive by where he was killed. Sometimes it's still difficult.

I'm only sharing this to show we are all different and we all have our own ways of dealing with things...I have lots of problems with the A's but not going to the scene is one of them. My humble apology if any of you take offense... that is not my intention and it won't hurt my feelings if I'm considered on the odd side because I know how much I loved my son but I had serious problems dealing with certain things.
Just sharing in hope it will help understand things in Caylee’s case and I certainly don't take any offense by your opinions of the A's not visiting the sight nor will I in the future. Keep up the good work and expressing your opinions including not visiting the site. :rose: We're all here for Caylee and I value all opinions....they actually may be helpful with me dealing with my own emotions. love fep

[joekuhl79]

Joe, I think you are right on the money about that tape. I have a hinky feeling that it would really, really hard not to leave fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape. I was watching M Baden demonstrate how hard it would be to use gloves and they have made great strides in taking and id ing fingerprints on the sticky side just in the last few years or so and have used that in cases. If they find her prints, she better just grovel. Also don't you know that if Zanny has the keys she can do all those internet searches?? Zanny sure spent a lot of time in that house getting things and planting evidence didn't she??? LOL.

LOL....the neighbors are observant enough to notice it odd that Liar backed 'her' car into the garage - that was out of the ordinary. Does anyone think that no one would notice Zanny coming and going? Maybe Liar will suggest that Zanny was not only a nanny, but a CIA agent or spy?

[Its just me]

?!?!?!?

Padilla?!

LOL That's HIM. Sorry..I was really brain dead because I know his name. Thanks, fep

[joekuhl79]

I don't think - I know they will - it's the smoking gun in this case as far as I'm concerned. What will really tie this all together is the forensics from the car and the trunk of the car. No foreign DNA, which means no Zenaida - and since we've known for some time now that mitrochondrial DNA on a hair sample identified a death band the only person missing in the dynamics of this situation is Caylee.

For the freakin' life of me I can't understand how C&G can ignore that - along with "It smells llike a god damn body died in the car".

I'm sure they're in shock and I do empathize with them but thats where it stops. Cindy knows Caylee is dead - It's all about protecting Casey now. :no: And that totally sucks for Caylee. :eek: CINDY, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE? :shrug: IMO/JMO



Just thought of this: not only will they find Liars fingerprints on the duct tape...I wonder: good duct tape is pretty sticky stuff, and I would not be surprised if it could pull off skin from the fingers of the taper? DNA evidence to back up the fingerprints?

[joekuhl79]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9146159]I think Gator might be able to help with the "rain" situation.

I don't believe the body was in the same spot the entire time and that the water moved the bag Caylee was in. I can't imagine Caylee weighing as much as a log to cause an indentation - but I have to admit I know nothing about it other than seeing a few logs sitting in the same spot for a period of time.

I agree with you about the Cindy/Zenaida situation - something not mentally right there (on Cindy's end) if you think about it. JMO[/QUOTeE But if the body was not there the whole time then there are only two possibilities someone helped her and moved it around, and why if someone was helping her would they move it so close, why not move it to another county, a swamp, another state?? Or if you take that to the limit, Casey would have to be innocent and not involved because there is no way after she had a monitor on and all that press was there that Casey was driving around moving a body. No way, so which scenario do you believe if you do not believe the body was there all along? Another thing I did find interesting unrelated to the body is that in the statement about seeking immunity, the new laywer, his name escapes me this late said that he realizes the Anthonys have given conflicting statements and when they are re-interviewed there will be no conflicting statements but he says they have done nothing wrong. Are they ready to admit, there was no Zenaida, no pizza , no investigator who verified that Casey was telling the truth about everything??

No one moved the body...I'm with Padilla on this. She dumped the bag there in a panic when she ran out of gas. She didn't get a chance to move it and then got arrested. Then the rain. Then the ankle bracelet. Any movement wa due to the water.

[joekuhl79]

This is the first I've heard of this...

http://www.wesh.com/news/18288397/detail.html



"For the first time, Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said they believe the toddler has died."

[Twinners]

I'm fairly sure the guy who signed Casey don't (brain dead) said on NG that the body had been double baged. If I understood him correct the top bag was maybe wrapped over the first bag holding Caylee and the top bag was wrapped with duck tape. Sorry I don't know if this is his theory or if it's actual facts. Anyone know??

The thing that catches my eye is the day Casey got the tool for George from her car trunk. I don't know how close George got to the car but if Caylee had been dead in the trunk for any length of time there would have been a terrible odor. I'm basing the terrible smell on what was reported said by a guy involved in the towing of the car someway or maybe it was someone in LE. Anyhow he was familiar with the death odor because a guy had comitted suicide and was not found in his car for around 5 days. He said that car smelled worse that the A's car.

FWIW...I have hope Justice is going to prevail in Caylee's case. fep
I was a little confused by that too! From what I gather, they think Caylee was initially wrapped in a sheet and then placed in a bag. Then, once fluids from her decomposing body started seeping out, that bag was placed in a second one.

To me, I think it seems more likely that Casey decided to add the second bag after she noticed liquid moving around in the first one. Having liquid in the bag would've made it harder to move out of the trunk, so I think she decided to put it in another bag to make moving it easier and poked a hole in the original one in the process.

About George & the car, I don't think Caylee's body was in the trunk that day. I think Casey had taken her out the day she actually ran out of gas. All that was left in the trunk was the fluid that had leaked out.

JMO.

[joekuhl79]

I'm no legal expert, but this sounds a little far-fetched to me:



"ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team has asked for an emergency court hearing Tuesday afternoon to force investigators to give up evidence they've gathered at a scene where a child’s remains were found.

Jose Baez and his team want access to photographs, videos and schematic drawings. They’ve also requested a second autopsy be performed on the remains. And finally, they want a master to oversee the preservation of the remains.

Judge Stan Strickland has agreed to hear the motions at a 2pm hearing."


http://www.wftv.com/news/18288396/detail.html#-

[FDInLaw]

Please FDInLaw Don't get me wrong... I know you to be a wonderful and caring person and I see the same in all you posters here and I would never be negative in a mean spirited way about any of your thoughts and opinions. I’m in NO WAY taking up for the A's. I can't think of a thing I'd like to commend them for after those 911 calls and I have some problems in all that.
With that said...My son was killed in less than a mile from my home. I loved him with all my being but I could not go to the scene nor could I go and make the positive ID of his body at the hospital. He died instantly and was at the scene a good while before being taken to the local hospital. (Common procedure here) My sister and brother took care of the positive ID process and my brothers watched over the scene. I am yet to go to the scene and it was a long long time before I didn't have serious problems each time I had to drive by where he was killed. Sometimes it's still difficult.

I'm only sharing this to show we are all different and we all have our own ways of dealing with things...I have lots of problems with the A's but not going to the scene is one of them. My humble apology if any of you take offense... that is not my intention and it won't hurt my feelings if I'm considered on the odd side because I know how much I loved my son but I had serious problems dealing with certain things.
Just sharing in hope it will help understand things in Caylee’s case and I certainly don't take any offense by your opinions of the A's not visiting the sight nor will I in the future. Keep up the good work and expressing your opinions including not visiting the site. :rose: We're all here for Caylee and I value all opinions....they actually may be helpful with me dealing with my own emotions. love fep
Your opinion comes from personal experience, where mine does not. Obviously, yours is of greater value, friend. :rose:

I don't blame C&G for not wanting to see the body in the condition it was found. And it's my prayer that investigators will be able to find all of little Caylee and give her a proper burial. Also, as Twinners stated, C&G may not go to the site just to avoid a camera frenzy. Points taken.

[Twinners]

Caylee Anthony's family awaits DNA results

"Casey's parents, who are in seclusion, provided fingerprints over the weekend, as did Casey's brother, Lee Anthony, to help investigators exclude them as having any connection to the black trash bag, holding the remains, which were found right down the street from the Anthony home.

Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, has been charged with murder. The attorney for Casey Anthony's parents says they will not be visiting their daughter in jail because they know their conversations will be recorded, but they have made it very clear they are will continue to standby her despite the new developments.

The Anthony's say they won't speak in public again until DNA tests come back -- as early as Thursday. "

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/16/Caylee-Anthonys-family-awaits/1229442574.html

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL, I'm thinking I need to take your comments seriously about a catheter and feeding tube. When do you sleep? J/K Loretta. :biggrin:

I hate the thought of comparing this board to crack but I get what you mean - but I believe it's the current case that's addictive no matter which way you look at it. I'm glad all of you are here - we're a small group and I prefer it stay that way. I look at the positive side when I say that - its much easier to correct the wrongs and to overcome any mass hysteria which might take place when we hear breaking news. I can't even look at the websites that host anywhere from 100-1,000 people posting - how in the world can anyone comprehend what's going on? or how in the world can anyone voice their opinion? We've had a few people here who've already said they feel ignored and I know its not because its on purpose - its just because the conversation is active.
I often think about posting with those massive number of people and I just won't/can't do it. I'd prefer to keep this site as updated as possible and discuss this case with those who choose to come here and have a meaningful conversation.

I like our little group and I hope everyone sticks around for the duration of this case, whether you support the Anthony's and their antics or you truly believe Casey is guilty - I want to hear from all of you. :seeya: :beer:

Wellllllllll, I usually sleep from about 2am - 6am; gotta be up by 6:30 to get the morning papers and work those XWPs and cryptograms and sudokus. Oh yeah, and read the news. Sometimes I go back to bed (and watch my money go down the drain on CNBC) so I won't be in Leroy's way and get up as soon as he's out the door. I make myself do my chores before I turn on my puter(s). I usually keep my laptop in the kitchen so that I can cook and make phone calls and all that throughout the day. I'm in limbo today because the ice storm delayed the newspaper boys. I'm jonesing for my puzzles. *bites nails*

Found this site re: the rainfall. It can be adjusted for monthly archived data:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/rfcshare/precip_analysis_new.php

[lorettalockhorn]

Caylee Anthony's family awaits DNA results

"Casey's parents, who are in seclusion, provided fingerprints over the weekend, as did Casey's brother, Lee Anthony, to help investigators exclude them as having any connection to the black trash bag, holding the remains, which were found right down the street from the Anthony home.

Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, has been charged with murder. The attorney for Casey Anthony's parents says they will not be visiting their daughter in jail because they know their conversations will be recorded, but they have made it very clear they are will continue to standby her despite the new developments.

The Anthony's say they won't speak in public again until DNA tests come back -- as early as Thursday. "

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/16/Caylee-Anthonys-family-awaits/1229442574.html

For some reason, I assumed that the Adult Ants had provided fingerprints and DNA early on. If they didn't I'm royallty pissed. As for Lee; that boy ain't right in the head. (Sorry to use such high-fallutin psychological technical lingo to assess him and his behavior.)

[deputydi]

Please FDInLaw Don't get me wrong... I know you to be a wonderful and caring person and I see the same in all you posters here and I would never be negative in a mean spirited way about any of your thoughts and opinions. I’m in NO WAY taking up for the A's. I can't think of a thing I'd like to commend them for after those 911 calls and I have some problems in all that.
With that said...My son was killed in less than a mile from my home. I loved him with all my being but I could not go to the scene nor could I go and make the positive ID of his body at the hospital. He died instantly and was at the scene a good while before being taken to the local hospital. (Common procedure here) My sister and brother took care of the positive ID process and my brothers watched over the scene. I am yet to go to the scene and it was a long long time before I didn't have serious problems each time I had to drive by where he was killed. Sometimes it's still difficult.

I'm only sharing this to show we are all different and we all have our own ways of dealing with things...I have lots of problems with the A's but not going to the scene is one of them. My humble apology if any of you take offense... that is not my intention and it won't hurt my feelings if I'm considered on the odd side because I know how much I loved my son but I had serious problems dealing with certain things.
Just sharing in hope it will help understand things in Caylee’s case and I certainly don't take any offense by your opinions of the A's not visiting the sight nor will I in the future. Keep up the good work and expressing your opinions including not visiting the site. :rose: We're all here for Caylee and I value all opinions....they actually may be helpful with me dealing with my own emotions. love fep
No offense taken, fep. I agree with all you've said. I see no reason for criticizing the Anthonys for not going to the burial site. In this instance, I can understand them not wanting cameras around and people gawking at theml They've done a good enough job of bringing on criticism that is warranted, just not this time.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9146159]I think Gator might be able to help with the "rain" situation.

I don't believe the body was in the same spot the entire time and that the water moved the bag Caylee was in. I can't imagine Caylee weighing as much as a log to cause an indentation - but I have to admit I know nothing about it other than seeing a few logs sitting in the same spot for a period of time.

I agree with you about the Cindy/Zenaida situation - something not mentally right there (on Cindy's end) if you think about it. JMO[/QUOTeE But if the body was not there the whole time then there are only two possibilities someone helped her and moved it around, and why if someone was helping her would they move it so close, why not move it to another county, a swamp, another state?? Or if you take that to the limit, Casey would have to be innocent and not involved because there is no way after she had a monitor on and all that press was there that Casey was driving around moving a body. No way, so which scenario do you believe if you do not believe the body was there all along? Another thing I did find interesting unrelated to the body is that in the statement about seeking immunity, the new laywer, his name escapes me this late said that he realizes the Anthonys have given conflicting statements and when they are re-interviewed there will be no conflicting statements but he says they have done nothing wrong. Are they ready to admit, there was no Zenaida, no pizza , no investigator who verified that Casey was telling the truth about everything??

I would imagine that Caylee probably weighed around 25 pounds give or take, which would be heavy enough to leave at least a slight impression in soggy ground. (Wouldn't it?) I can't imagine that the floodwaters moved the bag around much because of the dense vegetation. As for Casey dumping Caylee in the Pet Cemetery, I guess it makes sense if that's where she was accustomed to hanging out AND used to burying the neighborhood kids burying their animals. If she dumped Caylee the day that she ran out of gas on Chickisaw, she didn't have time to do much more than toss her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Haa! Yer killin me loretta!

OOPS! I see that I misspelled royally. Please know that I do NOT, repeat do NOT consider myself royalty. (Although someone here did once ask me if I was Queen for a Day.) :hat:

[Twinners]

For some reason, I assumed that the Adult Ants had provided fingerprints and DNA early on. If they didn't I'm royallty pissed. As for Lee; that boy ain't right in the head. (Sorry to use such high-fallutin psychological technical lingo to assess him and his behavior.)
LMAO Loretta! I always love your comments!

I'm pretty sure this was the second time the Anthony's had provided DNA & fingerprints, but for some reason, I'm thinking it's the first time Lee has done it.

So I'll say it again, "Why did Cindy let her leave that house with that child?"
My father's relationship with my sister is a lot like I imagine the relationship between Cindy and Casey to be. He provides all the financial support for her and her son, though they do not live with him. Although, unlike Casey, my sister doesn't even pretend to try to work.

Anyway, my father feels his financial support of them gives him some control in their lives. If my sister does something that effects my nephew and my dad doesn't like it, he threatens to stop supporting them. That enrages my sister, which leads to her "reminding" him that my nephew is her child, not his. More often than not, she tells him to take his financial support and stick it. However, and this is ALWAYS the catch, she won't let him see her son if he does. In the end, my dad always caves because he just can't stand the thought of not seeing him and knowing he's okay.

I hate all of it, but it's a vicious, never-ending circle that plays out in my family on a regular basis. I imagine things went much the same way in the Anthony household, which is why I tend to sympathize with George and Cindy as much as I do.

[browneyes106]

First, I don't believe anyone aided the Liar in dumping the body. They would have cracked by now. (Imagine getting anyone involved? How long would they have kept this quiet? Who would want to have their future touched by this?)

Secondly, a 3 year old is a bit heavy. I don't believe Casey ever carried anything heavier than 10 lbs of potatoes in her life. She wouldn't walk any further than 15 feet carrying that bag. Padilla knew she was a prima donna and a lazy one at that.

Thirdly, I believe the Liar didn't *know* how to begin to take care of Caylee. Her mother always did it.

I'm sure most of you heard one of the talking shrinks on NG who said, that Casey saw Caylee as a doll. She played with it when she wanted to and tossed it aside when she didn't want to play with it. I remember seeing the video of her whining like a little girl when she said, "I want my baby back, etc..." Just like my 4 year old granddaughter does when she can't find her favorite dolly.

So I'll say it again, "Why did Cindy let her leave that house with that child?"

I totally agreed with that shrink's analysis of Casey seeing Caylee as doll. My theory on why Cindy let Casey leave with Caylee is because she feared another physical fight. She had choked Casey and maybe she fear another fight would break out. So maybe at spur of the moment she let them leave just to avoid another fight.

[joekuhl79]

Caylee Anthony's family awaits DNA results

"Casey's parents, who are in seclusion, provided fingerprints over the weekend, as did Casey's brother, Lee Anthony, to help investigators exclude them as having any connection to the black trash bag, holding the remains, which were found right down the street from the Anthony home.

Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, has been charged with murder. The attorney for Casey Anthony's parents says they will not be visiting their daughter in jail because they know their conversations will be recorded, but they have made it very clear they are will continue to standby her despite the new developments.

The Anthony's say they won't speak in public again until DNA tests come back -- as early as Thursday. "

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/20...229442574.html


Hmm they don't want to be recorded? Why not? I feel like swearing again!

That's BS!! They are saying that to look good, in my opinion. They haven't been there to see Liar (I suggest calling her Liar, and not "the Liar", as 'the' suggests she's something special and/or she's a GOOD liar - which she isn't...but anyway...)

Where was I?

They haven't been visiting Liar because she makes the other Liar and her husband (Cindy and George) sick with all her lies!! Is that twisted?



If that was my daughter, I guarantee that I would be in jail with her, because I'd be going postal on her lying ass, smashing the phone into the video screen "SHUT THE EFF UP WITH YOUR LYING AND TELL THE EFFING TRUTH!!!!"


For real.

[deputydi]

<snip>
If that was my daughter, I guarantee that I would be in jail with her, because I'd be going postal on her lying ass, smashing the phone into the video screen "SHUT THE EFF UP WITH YOUR LYING AND TELL THE EFFING TRUTH!!!!"

For real.
C'mon, Joe. Let it all out and tell us how you really feel. LOL.

I agree. I can't say I wouldn't stand by my daughter, but she sure wouldn't like a lot of what she'd be hearing from me!

[browneyes106]

Not only do they not have a pot to piss in, they don't have a window to throw it out of.

Do the Ants realize how lucky they are to have these people to work for them? There are surely people deserving and needy these folks could help. But noooooooooo.

I agree I believe there are many innocent in prisons who probably would deserve better attorneys and experts than the Ants. There is a way too much evidence to even believe Casey is innocent. I wish the West Memphis Three would get good DNA experts on their defense team.

They may be working pro bono for $$$, but some of them are working at rebuilding their reputations...ie Lee, LKB and last but not least " ketchup spitting" Spitz; and a lot of good that will do them, the public is fed up with this kind of defense.

Very true. But they probably only see Casey as a client and once she is convicted they will move to another high profile case. Lee and LKB will look for the next high profile case and Baez will probably doing another criminal cases at his firm.

I guess to Cindy's warped mind, these people are helping to defend her daughter because they also believe she is innocent...she obviously didn't appreciate padilla either ~ once he saw Casey wasn't playing fair, he was persona non grata to the Anthony camp. I would've kissed his butt if he shelled out $500,000 to get my lying **** of a daughter out of jail.

Cindy and the family were always ungrateful to LP since the beginning. I also think Cindy purposely says his last name wrong to show her disdain for him.

[Twinners]

Judge to Hold Emergency Hearing in Casey Anthony Case

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A judge will hold a second emergency hearing on Tuesday in the case of the mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony.

The hearing is in reference to motions filed by Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez on Dec. 15.

Judge Stan Strickland will rule on the following: Emergency motion to compel photographs, video recordings and schematic drawings taken at crime scene, continuing request for second autopsy and all related materials, emergency motion to preserve forensic evidence and appoint forensic expert for the court.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8083446&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

[samanthajane13]

"If that was my daughter, I guarantee that I would be in jail with her, because I'd be going postal on her lying ass, smashing the phone into the video screen "SHUT THE EFF UP WITH YOUR LYING AND TELL THE EFFING TRUTH!!!!"

For real."

I'd be locked up right next to my kid for destruction of property and assault.

I'd be trashing the place and smacking' the STUPID out of that child!!!

Of course, I could always say I flipped out...:biggrin:

[Justice Denied?]

Welcome to the boards. Your post is right on point.

I usually stay away from the dead or missing children threads also. They give me nightmares. I don't know what drew me to this one but I've become obsessed. I can't tell you how badly I want to see Casey pay for what she did.

G & C have, for the most part, had my sympathy through much of this. I get angry and frustrated with them, but no matter what happens now, their life is pretty much over. I believe that once the body is positively identified, Cindy and George both will turn state's evidence. That is probably why their attorney is seeking some kind of immunity. Not necessarily because there are plans to arrest them -- it's just kind of an insurance policy for the future. If that's what it takes to get them as witnesses against Casey, it's a small price to pay.

I think hat should depend on the extent of their involvement. If they helped dispose of the body, they should not be given immunity.:mad:

[Mac]

At no time did casey ask for a sedative, nor did she show any anxiety,during the Blanchard Park Search, During the Padila dive team Search, even during the Equuisearch search. She didn't even ask for a sedative not show any anxiety after being charged for murder.

She did ask for a sedative and did have an anxiety attack after the remains were discovered in the woods......even before they released the fact that it might be Caylee.


Good point to remember


Wish I could take responsibility for this, but Thanks to a Detective I know in Edgewater. The OCSO and the prosecutor have both taken note of this, according to the Detective.

[FDInLaw]

At no time did casey ask for a sedative, nor did she show any anxiety,during the Blanchard Park Search, During the Padila dive team Search, even during the Equuisearch search. She didn't even ask for a sedative not show any anxiety after being charged for murder.

She did ask for a sedative and did have an anxiety attack after the remains were discovered in the woods......even before they released the fact that it might be Caylee.


Good point to remember


Wish I could take responsibility for this, but Thanks to a Detective I know in Edgewater. The OCSO and the prosecutor have both taken note of this, according to the Detective.That is a telling detail!

[Justice Denied?]

You just got Casey the DP! Excellent! Of course if they find DNA in the trunk (which they already have, (M-DNA) then Zanny is out of the picture. It occurred to me when someone reminded me that she told her parents that Zanny had a house key, that she was building her case, knowing if they found Caylee she would be wrapped in something from the house.. Darn, Darn Darn! Why didn't I pick up on that!?!

Danagher,

I think that I thought of it because it was the evidence from the trunk that convinced me Casey was guilty. Up until that point I was an "innocent til proven guilty" person. I thought maybe she was just lying because she was a very frightened young woman. But the DNA hung her in my book.

Don't put yourself down. Most of your ideas are downright brilliant. I enjoy your posts very much. Heck I enjoy everyone's posts.

:beer: Hagnog, anyone?

[Justice Denied?]

Oh sure, you all drank the Haterade, and now you're sleeping it off...
Tommorrow, No drinking till 2:00 !!
....sip...

....hiccup.....

Loretta! I knew you were a dirty stay out/up! Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry,

Didn't know about the new rule. Had hagnog for breakfast. Needed the nourishment from the eggs. LOL

Stagger on over and have a cup.

[browneyes106]

Just like Beth Holloway called Joran, Urine. ;)

Is Padilla Italian? If so, she's toast. :)

LOL. Padilla is a Hispanic surname that originated in Spain. A lot of times when there is an "ll" in a Hispanic name it is silent.

[mu8shark]

After re-reading your post - what I meant about the body not being in the same place the entire time is that I believe the water moved it around - not necessarily a person. Aha I got ya! I am off work today, a day off, so I get to post when more people are on. Hello to all, it is great that some of the lurkers are posting. It makes for more good stuff to read.

[browneyes106]

Okay Browneyes, I'm with you on the fear of another fight, but I have a problem with the span of time Cindy had not seen the little girl and her lack of reaction to it after virtually raising her and seeing her every day for almost 3 years. It doesn't seem plausible. Unless there is something I don't know about Cindy's behavior while Caylee was not around. I do miss things here and there. That's why I'm reading this board daily for a few weeks.


:seeya:

I agree with you about the time span. I think Cindy kept calling Casey after they left but kept giving her excuses about Caylee.

[FDInLaw]

Ooooo, that sounds good! I'll bring the Italian Honey balls I made (struffoli) and we can Dish!!

let's leave those rules to those haterade drinking, dirty stay ups who fell asleep on me............awwwwwwwwwwww, forget the rules!:beer:

Sure hope that I do not resemble your remark! Not gonna touch any more of the nasty fire water (if I can help it. . . *burp*)!

[Mac]

That is all

Resume your lunch:D

[mu8shark]

LOL....the neighbors are observant enough to notice it odd that Liar backed 'her' car into the garage - that was out of the ordinary. Does anyone think that no one would notice Zanny coming and going? Maybe Liar will suggest that Zanny was not only a nanny, but a CIA agent or spy? Joe , yes Casey's story needs to get better and better. Also a really good point about the neighbors, If they noticed Casey pulling her car in the garage like that and said she hardly ever did that, they would probably notice some stranger making all these trips into the Anthony home. I also agree with you, Casey ditched the body in a panic. I disagree with Leonard I do not think it was discarded on the 24th but earlier when Tony found her walking on Chicasaw. And I think weather and other circumstances were on her side. Also I do have a forensic question that is rather gross, but here goes. I remember in the Ira Reinhorn case , Holly's body had been in his house for a really long time, like years and in other cases they have gone in the Chandra Levy case that body was not far off the hiking trail. So here goes, when a body smells, is there a point when it stops smelling and would it smell a lot worse in a closed trunk than in open air? Just wondering if anyone knows if the body goes through a process in which the decomposition does not smell as much. I know that is weird. I guess it puzzled me in the Einhorn case how no one smelled that body all that time

[Mac]

Joe , yes Casey's story needs to get better and better. Also a really good point about the neighbors, If they noticed Casey pulling her car in the garage like that and said she hardly ever did that, they would probably notice some stranger making all these trips into the Anthony home. I also agree with you, Casey ditched the body in a panic. I disagree with Leonard I do not think it was discarded on the 24th but earlier when Tony found her walking on Chicasaw. And I think weather and other circumstances were on her side. Also I do have a forensic question that is rather gross, but here goes. I remember in the Ira Reinhorn case , Holly's body had been in his house for a really long time, like years and in other cases they have gone in the Chandra Levy case that body was not far off the hiking trail. So here goes, when a body smells, is there a point when it stops smelling and would it smell a lot worse in a closed trunk than in open air? Just wondering if anyone knows if the body goes through a process in which the decomposition does not smell as much. I know that is weird. I guess it puzzled me in the Einhorn case how no one smelled that body all that time


Remember that Einhorn had the body in a sealed trunk......am I right about that?????????????

[mu8shark]

That's BS!! They are saying that to look good, in my opinion. They haven't been there to see Liar (I suggest calling her Liar, and not "the Liar", as 'the' suggests she's something special and/or she's a GOOD liar - which she isn't...but anyway...)

Where was I?

They haven't been visiting Liar because she makes the other Liar and her husband (Cindy and George) sick with all her lies!! Is that twisted?



If that was my daughter, I guarantee that I would be in jail with her, because I'd be going postal on her lying ass, smashing the phone into the video screen "SHUT THE EFF UP WITH YOUR LYING AND TELL THE EFFING TRUTH!!!!"


For real."They haven't been visiting Liar because she makes the other Liar and her husband (Cindy and George) sick with all her lies!! Is that twisted?" Oh Joe for some reason this reasoning makes me laugh out loud, Yeah the Liar family. Rotflmao. I told Loretta on this board when she said Cindy would rather lie than eat that her piehole had changed to a liehole. Anyways, your post really made me laugh, also it is probably truer than ya think.

[browneyes106]

Joe , yes Casey's story needs to get better and better. Also a really good point about the neighbors, If they noticed Casey pulling her car in the garage like that and said she hardly ever did that, they would probably notice some stranger making all these trips into the Anthony home. I also agree with you, Casey ditched the body in a panic. I disagree with Leonard I do not think it was discarded on the 24th but earlier when Tony found her walking on Chicasaw. And I think weather and other circumstances were on her side. Also I do have a forensic question that is rather gross, but here goes. I remember in the Ira Reinhorn case , Holly's body had been in his house for a really long time, like years and in other cases they have gone in the Chandra Levy case that body was not far off the hiking trail. So here goes, when a body smells, is there a point when it stops smelling and would it smell a lot worse in a closed trunk than in open air? Just wondering if anyone knows if the body goes through a process in which the decomposition does not smell as much. I know that is weird. I guess it puzzled me in the Einhorn case how no one smelled that body all that time

I kind of remember in Ira Einhorn case he did something to preserve her body. I'm might be wrong or have it confused with another case.

[mu8shark]

LOL, I am quite proud of my status of Dirty Stay Out/ Up amongst my friends~
not everyone can keep going like the energizer bunny! But then we have those of a higher echelon like Loretta who can multi task like nobody's business, be a Dirty Stay Up AND keep drinking the Haterade! Truth be told, one day I hope to achieve that status! (must be the catheter)...

So my friend FD....join the ranks...join the few...........join the Dirty Stay Out/Up club, and be proud!!!!

...hic......

here ya go :beer:

:biggrin:
Yeah I think it is the catheter! Loretta are you that woman on the commercial who talks about reusing catheter's ? LOL ,. Maybe it is a local commercial , I don't know.

[mu8shark]

Remember that Einhorn had the body in a sealed trunk......am I right about that????????????? Yes true that but in the Levy case, they searched that park and they found her right off an area they had searched and never seemed to smell anything. I was just wondering.

[browneyes106]

LOL!
I thought it was probably a Spanish name pronounced Pa-dee yah, but not totally sure, as I am 100% Italian, live in a predominantly Italian state and that name is common, but pronounced, Pa dilla, there are a lot of names ending in illa round these parts.

:)

Cindy's bigatry is sooooo Cindy!

Good point there are several surnames that popular in both Italian and Hispanic communities. I'm Hispanic and some of ancestors had the last name Padilla and they came from Spain. I live in New Mexico and a lot of last names that popular with Hispanics actually orginated in other European countries. The names Chavez and Aragon actually originated in Portugal. The name Segura and Maes originated in France and there are other names with multiple countries of origin. On NG Leonard said that he is Hispanic and has Mexican heritage. He mentioned that the California sighting of a white child with Hispanic family could be bogus because Hispanics vary in physical features. Which is true. Several of my relatives are very fair skinned and light hair colors while others have dark features.
I also find it funny Cindy is ok with Jose Baez representing Casey.

[mu8shark]

That is all

Resume your lunch:DDoes anybody else think these motions are a bit premature? I mean why not wait till it is declared legally that this is Caylee and also why not just get this stuff in discovery? I heard yesterday that if they did get to view the autopsy the defense experts would have made suggestions. Can you imagine them interferring with the the coroner? I completely agree with the judge that they are asking him to let them interfere with the investigation. Maybe it is just me but these motions are too much. They will get to do their own autopsy , hope they don't come up with some far flung theory, she died of some mysterious heart ailment. I can just see that.I no longer trust Henry Lee. I think he is a media floozy. I am using the nice word for that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry,

Didn't know about the new rule. Had hagnog for breakfast. Needed the nourishment from the eggs. LOL

Stagger on over and have a cup.

HAHAHA Hagnog. Flove it!

[mu8shark]

I'm no legal expert, but this sounds a little far-fetched to me:



"ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team has asked for an emergency court hearing Tuesday afternoon to force investigators to give up evidence they've gathered at a scene where a child’s remains were found.

Jose Baez and his team want access to photographs, videos and schematic drawings. They’ve also requested a second autopsy be performed on the remains. And finally, they want a master to oversee the preservation of the remains.

Judge Stan Strickland has agreed to hear the motions at a 2pm hearing."


http://www.wftv.com/news/18288396/detail.html#- The judge also saw it as far fetched. All motions denied. He also said if he tried to compell the investigators to move at a fast pace or do things differently at trial the defense would say it was done in a hurry and shoddy and he was going to allow the investigators to do their job.

[FDInLaw]

Does anybody else think these motions are a bit premature? I mean why not wait till it is declared legally that this is Caylee and also why not just get this stuff in discovery? I heard yesterday that if they did get to view the autopsy the defense experts would have made suggestions. Can you imagine them interferring with the the coroner? I completely agree with the judge that they are asking him to let them interfere with the investigation. Maybe it is just me but these motions are too much. They will get to do their own autopsy , hope they don't come up with some far flung theory, she died of some mysterious heart ailment. I can just see that.I no longer trust Henry Lee. I think he is a media floozy. I am using the nice word for that.
IMO, yes. The body has not been identified "officially". . . as such, they have no legal right to anything at this point.

:beer: for the judge!



(Lovin' your "media floosy" comment! It's a keeper! :D )

[FDInLaw]

HAHAHA Hagnog. Flove it!
We've got a fun gang here! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Yenta that I am, I've been looking around at Jose's business and haven't found his criminology degree listed anywhere except at David Lohr's. I do see that he was admitted to the FL bar on 9/22/05:

http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/3A2DB569807C9B46852570970071F970?OpenDocument

Which makes me wonder how it is that he's been working cases since 1995 including cases in Orange County since 2004:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/CriminalSelect.aspx?SessionID=86b21ede-8377-4e63-9280-87957d595b0f

Anyway, while I was nosing around the courthouse website, I looked up G&C and found this suit:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgCases.aspx?SessionID=dc6e4058-bbee-45a4-bcdb-415b425e4e63

including these details:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=dc6e4058-bbee-45a4-bcdb-415b425e4e63&CaseID=4514690

So this dissolution of marriage was begun shortly after Caylee was born and went on until a little over a year ago. I can't help but wonder what that household was really like for Caylee with that kind of long drawn situation dragging on.

[mu8shark]

Did anyone see the reporter on court tv today who was talking about interviewing Cindy and the things she said that threw up red flags to her? One she made the statement she did not want to lose 'another' one. I have seen posts on here wondering when Cindy went from accusing to excusing, and I kind of wonder now if Leonard is right that as soon as they saw their was evidence that Caylee was dead and Casey could get convicted that is when they switched. Of course Cindy kind of hemmed and hawed when asked to explain. Also Cindy made the comment, the identity of Caylees father would never come out. Now if it is the guy who died like they have all been saying, that very well could come out. All that would take is a dna test of remaining family members. She also said Lee and George had not given dna. I noticed in the article posted on this thread it says they gave fingerprints. So I am a bit confused did they indeed not give any dna yet? Things that make you go hmmm.....

[jrenee]

Does anybody else think these motions are a bit premature? I mean why not wait till it is declared legally that this is Caylee and also why not just get this stuff in discovery? I heard yesterday that if they did get to view the autopsy the defense experts would have made suggestions. Can you imagine them interferring with the the coroner? I completely agree with the judge that they are asking him to let them interfere with the investigation. Maybe it is just me but these motions are too much. They will get to do their own autopsy , hope they don't come up with some far flung theory, she died of some mysterious heart ailment. I can just see that.I no longer trust Henry Lee. I think he is a media floozy. I am using the nice word for that.

Hello again everyone. I wish I could get here more often, but have been so caught up in Caylee Marie`s case that I have gotten so far behind in preparing for X-mas and I am not so good at multi tasking.... however, these motions were beyond premature, I saw them as being so disrespectful of this small child and her memory. I saw in one news clip, Henry Lee using a very high powered camera trying to capture scenes of LE and FBI at the crime scene and I became so angry I had to turn the TV off. It is my fervent prayer that the public is more than sick and tired of this kind of defense.

[mu8shark]

IMO, yes. The body has not been identified "officially". . . as such, they have no legal right to anything at this point.

:beer: for the judge!



(Lovin' your "media floosy" comment! It's a keeper! :D ) Very well then, Henry Lee shall be known from here on out as the media floozy. LOL.

[lorettalockhorn]

We've got a fun gang here! :beer:

AMEN Sister!

Well, except for http://i41.tinypic.com/nycx3c.jpg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jrenee]

Did anyone see the reporter on court tv today who was talking about interviewing Cindy and the things she said that threw up red flags to her? One she made the statement she did not want to lose 'another' one. I have seen posts on here wondering when Cindy went from accusing to excusing, and I kind of wonder now if Leonard is right that as soon as they saw their was evidence that Caylee was dead and Casey could get convicted that is when they switched. Of course Cindy kind of hemmed and hawed when asked to explain. Also Cindy made the comment, the identity of Caylees father would never come out. Now if it is the guy who died like they have all been saying, that very well could come out. All that would take is a dna test of remaining family members. She also said Lee and George had not given dna. I noticed in the article posted on this thread it says they gave fingerprints. So I am a bit confused did they indeed not give any dna yet? Things that make you go hmmm.....

Unless something was released today, Lee has not given submited to DNA...

[joekuhl79]

Okay Browneyes, I'm with you on the fear of another fight, but I have a problem with the span of time Cindy had not seen the little girl and her lack of reaction to it after virtually raising her and seeing her every day for almost 3 years. It doesn't seem plausible. Unless there is something I don't know about Cindy's behavior while Caylee was not around. I do miss things here and there. That's why I'm reading this board daily for a few weeks.


:seeya:

After the fight, in Cindys eyes Liar was keeping Caylee from her out of spite. Cindy likely felt she was being punished, and I am positive she had no clue there might be a problem until they found the car. It's been shown that she had repeatedly, daily, tried to contact Liar about Caylee.

I don't think there was anything peculiar about Cindys behavior until after Liar was arrested and charged.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did anyone see the reporter on court tv today who was talking about interviewing Cindy and the things she said that threw up red flags to her? One she made the statement she did not want to lose 'another' one. I have seen posts on here wondering when Cindy went from accusing to excusing, and I kind of wonder now if Leonard is right that as soon as they saw their was evidence that Caylee was dead and Casey could get convicted that is when they switched. Of course Cindy kind of hemmed and hawed when asked to explain. Also Cindy made the comment, the identity of Caylees father would never come out. Now if it is the guy who died like they have all been saying, that very well could come out. All that would take is a dna test of remaining family members. She also said Lee and George had not given dna. I noticed in the article posted on this thread it says they gave fingerprints. So I am a bit confused did they indeed not give any dna yet? Things that make you go hmmm.....

For some reason, I thought there was a motion to compel a while back for Lee's DNA. Whenever I've seen G&C discuss Caylee's father, it was like they weren't exactly sure of the details.

[mu8shark]

Well according to the Anthonys new lawyer, (why do I have a mental block on his name?) the Anthonys are going to be re-interviwed by LE and this time he made the statement, there will be no inconsistent statements like the Anthonys have given in the past. I find this curious in that now he is asking for immunity. Immunity from what if they have done nothing wrong? This makes me uber, uber, uber curious and also on another note, I know I have been uneasy with LE releasing so much info but maybe just this once they could let us know whose fingerprints are on that tape. I promise to keep to myself and only let you guys in on it. LOL.

[jrenee]

Well according to the Anthonys new lawyer, (why do I have a mental block on his name?) the Anthonys are going to be re-interviwed by LE and this time he made the statement, there will be no inconsistent statements like the Anthonys have given in the past. I find this curious in that now he is asking for immunity. Immunity from what if they have done nothing wrong? This makes me uber, uber, uber curious and also on another note, I know I have been uneasy with LE releasing so much info but maybe just this once they could let us know whose fingerprints are on that tape. I promise to keep to myself and only let you guys in on it. LOL.

I believe his name is Conway.

[lorettalockhorn]

After the fight, in Cindys eyes Liar was keeping Caylee from her out of spite. Cindy likely felt she was being punished, and I am positive she had no clue there might be a problem until they found the car. It's been shown that she had repeatedly, daily, tried to contact Liar about Caylee.

I don't think there was anything peculiar about Cindys behavior until after Liar was arrested and charged.

Not challenging you, but has it been verified that Cindy was calling Casey about Caylee (or anything else)? Do phone records show that? Has LE looked at cell phone records/pings for the rest of the usual suspects around the date when Caylee's body would have been dumped? One of Casey's childhood friends told LE to search in the area where the body was found around Hidden Oaks Elementary. Have we ever seen any indication that the girl was interviewed in depth?

[joekuhl79]

I think hat should depend on the extent of their involvement. If they helped dispose of the body, they should not be given immunity.:mad:

Liar acted alone here. No help. No accomplices.

Cindy cleaning the clothes, etc? I believe she didn't fathom what was going on. I really don't think she was destroying evidence. If that was the case, and G & C and Lee had knowledge about what happened, Liar would have gave them all the info they needed while she was out on bond, and they would have finished her dump job.

[mu8shark]

After the fight, in Cindys eyes Liar was keeping Caylee from her out of spite. Cindy likely felt she was being punished, and I am positive she had no clue there might be a problem until they found the car. It's been shown that she had repeatedly, daily, tried to contact Liar about Caylee.

I don't think there was anything peculiar about Cindys behavior until after Liar was arrested and charged. I agree on this and here is my take. I think because of the nature of the fight, Cindy may have thought, oh she is just being spiteful and playing a little game where she keeps Caylee from me to punish me. I totally agree. I think Cindy was as George says trying to contact her fairly often.

[joekuhl79]

At no time did casey ask for a sedative, nor did she show any anxiety,during the Blanchard Park Search, During the Padila dive team Search, even during the Equuisearch search. She didn't even ask for a sedative not show any anxiety after being charged for murder.

She did ask for a sedative and did have an anxiety attack after the remains were discovered in the woods......even before they released the fact that it might be Caylee.


Good point to remember


Wish I could take responsibility for this, but Thanks to a Detective I know in Edgewater. The OCSO and the prosecutor have both taken note of this, according to the Detective.



Exactly...


I'm curious how the news was delivered to her...I said last week that I'd bet someone could have told her simply "They found Caylee" and she'd have sht a brick, knowing that she's busted, as opposed to her being excited "Where is she?! Get me out of here so I can see her!" - because she knows Caylee isn't alive.

[mu8shark]

For some reason, I thought there was a motion to compel a while back for Lee's DNA. Whenever I've seen G&C discuss Caylee's father, it was like they weren't exactly sure of the details. You are correct of course . I just goggled and found several articles where Lee made them get a court order to do it but they had to do it.

[joekuhl79]

Joe , yes Casey's story needs to get better and better. Also a really good point about the neighbors, If they noticed Casey pulling her car in the garage like that and said she hardly ever did that, they would probably notice some stranger making all these trips into the Anthony home. I also agree with you, Casey ditched the body in a panic. I disagree with Leonard I do not think it was discarded on the 24th but earlier when Tony found her walking on Chicasaw. And I think weather and other circumstances were on her side. Also I do have a forensic question that is rather gross, but here goes. I remember in the Ira Reinhorn case , Holly's body had been in his house for a really long time, like years and in other cases they have gone in the Chandra Levy case that body was not far off the hiking trail. So here goes, when a body smells, is there a point when it stops smelling and would it smell a lot worse in a closed trunk than in open air? Just wondering if anyone knows if the body goes through a process in which the decomposition does not smell as much. I know that is weird. I guess it puzzled me in the Einhorn case how no one smelled that body all that time

Exactly. A dead dog will smell worse locked in a confined space (such as a trunk) than it would if it was just out in the open. In the open, the fumes can dissipate quickly and easily. After a while (not sure on the timeframe) the smell will start to subside and eventually go away.

We had (what I suspect was) a mouse that died in our walls once, or at least that what I think happened. But there was this horrible stench that we could not pinpoint, and it lingered for a couple days, and then was gone. Now, I was ALMOST ready to start tearing out walls to get rid of the smell, but...

[javahog]

Joe , yes Casey's story needs to get better and better. Also a really good point about the neighbors, If they noticed Casey pulling her car in the garage like that and said she hardly ever did that, they would probably notice some stranger making all these trips into the Anthony home. I also agree with you, Casey ditched the body in a panic. I disagree with Leonard I do not think it was discarded on the 24th but earlier when Tony found her walking on Chicasaw. And I think weather and other circumstances were on her side. Also I do have a forensic question that is rather gross, but here goes. I remember in the Ira Reinhorn case , Holly's body had been in his house for a really long time, like years and in other cases they have gone in the Chandra Levy case that body was not far off the hiking trail. So here goes, when a body smells, is there a point when it stops smelling and would it smell a lot worse in a closed trunk than in open air? Just wondering if anyone knows if the body goes through a process in which the decomposition does not smell as much. I know that is weird. I guess it puzzled me in the Einhorn case how no one smelled that body all that time

I've mummified small animals (past of my job, I'm not a weirdo) and the smell peaked at about 2 weeks then tapered off. (As did my roommates tolerance level!). It was much worse in a confined space than in the open, it got much more concentrated there.

But as for intensity, a cornish game hen in a storage locker in a 3 story tall fire escape absolutely hotboxed the space with the most intense and gangrenous smell ever. When I opened the locker, there was a puff of hot death smell, much worse than even the ambient odor. But after 2 weeks, it tapered off and then was gone, helped by my opening the windows.

So I can see why the car was dumped, and also why no one noticed the smell. If you can get past that window, no more smell.

[joekuhl79]

The judge also saw it as far fetched. All motions denied. He also said if he tried to compell the investigators to move at a fast pace or do things differently at trial the defense would say it was done in a hurry and shoddy and he was going to allow the investigators to do their job.

I just can't believe Baez...who I'd like to rename BS. What is he thinking? The judge called his motions "pure folly"! I'm telling you, this guys is the real life embodiment of Lionel Hutz, of I Can't Believe It's A Law Firm (from the Simpsons, if you're not a fan)


Someone recommended him?! As I recall, wasn't it some chicks in jail recommended him to Liar?

"Hey, there's the btch that killed her kid. Let's all give her that crappy attorneys name and say he's good. She'll get screwed!"

[jrenee]

I just can't believe Baez...who I'd like to rename BS. What is he thinking? The judge called his motions "pure folly"! I'm telling you, this guys is the real life embodiment of Lionel Hutz, of I Can't Believe It's A Law Firm (from the Simpsons, if you're not a fan)


Someone recommended him?! As I recall, wasn't it some chicks in jail recommended him to Liar?

"Hey, there's the btch that killed her kid. Let's all give her that crappy attorneys name and say he's good. She'll get screwed!"

Good analogy there, when I see Baez, I see the attorney in "My Cousin Vinny." Baez is truly a maron, imo.

[joekuhl79]

Well according to the Anthonys new lawyer, (why do I have a mental block on his name?) the Anthonys are going to be re-interviwed by LE and this time he made the statement, there will be no inconsistent statements like the Anthonys have given in the past. I find this curious in that now he is asking for immunity. Immunity from what if they have done nothing wrong? This makes me uber, uber, uber curious and also on another note, I know I have been uneasy with LE releasing so much info but maybe just this once they could let us know whose fingerprints are on that tape. I promise to keep to myself and only let you guys in on it. LOL.

I would want immunity if I mistakenly covered up something, like, washing clothes that would have DNA evidence on them....

[One2Snoop]

I just can't believe Baez...who I'd like to rename BS. What is he thinking? The judge called his motions "pure folly"! I'm telling you, this guys is the real life embodiment of Lionel Hutz, of I Can't Believe It's A Law Firm (from the Simpsons, if you're not a fan)


Someone recommended him?! As I recall, wasn't it some chicks in jail recommended him to Liar?

"Hey, there's the btch that killed her kid. Let's all give her that crappy attorneys name and say he's good. She'll get screwed!"

Yes she got Baez's name from her roommates at the jail. IIRC George was not to pleased with her selection.

[joekuhl79]

Not challenging you, but has it been verified that Cindy was calling Casey about Caylee (or anything else)? Do phone records show that? Has LE looked at cell phone records/pings for the rest of the usual suspects around the date when Caylee's body would have been dumped? One of Casey's childhood friends told LE to search in the area where the body was found around Hidden Oaks Elementary. Have we ever seen any indication that the girl was interviewed in depth?

I haven't seen that it's been verified, but I haven't seen that it was discounted. Also, I believe there were texts too...because Liar would not talk to Cindy - at that time she preferred to text her. Hmmm....I wonder why?


EDIT: On the friend....I mentioned that last week also...that interview is in with all the transcripts that were released very early on...in August maybe?

[lorettalockhorn]

I haven't seen that it's been verified, but I haven't seen that it was discounted. Also, I believe there were texts too...because Liar would not talk to Cindy - at that time she preferred to text her. Hmmm....I wonder why?


EDIT: On the friend....I mentioned that last week also...that interview is in with all the transcripts that were released very early on...in August maybe?

Thanks, I knew that the friend had spoken to LE, but I haven't actually read the transcript, so didn't know if she had been interviewed in depth or if it was just treated as a tip.

Surely some of this stuff that we wonder about is being held back.

[Mac]

AMEN Sister!

Well, except for http://i41.tinypic.com/nycx3c.jpg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That episode gave me nightmares for a month!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Its just me]

Stopped in for a quick read....I believe the motions filed by the defense from the get go were done in hopes of getting their hands on what evidence there is against Casey. They have got to defend her in some way and I'm thinking they are yet to cook up exactly how they are going to defend someone that they know is guilty. It's refreshing to know there is a judge making common sense decisons. BBL fep

[lorettalockhorn]

Whoops, I'm sorry mu, I had the date wrong. June 16th is right, I'm sure. I have heard that there were *items* in the bag. There are conflicting stories on the clothes being in the bag. If she was stupid enough to put the clothes elsewhere, you're probably right on her attempt to make it look like there was a sexual issue.

Speaking of sexual issues/abuse just look at the registered offenders anywhere near the Ants' house. Why wouldn't Casey frame one of them instead of the non-existent Zanny?

http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

ETA that you'll have to do your own search for 4937 Hopespring, Orlando

[abbra]

tape just shown has the liar telling her father, as she's crying, "i just want to be with my little girl." that's good because we can arrange that soon with the dp. Be careful what you wish for. :rolleyes:

you go gator!

[mu8shark]

I've mummified small animals (past of my job, I'm not a weirdo) and the smell peaked at about 2 weeks then tapered off. (As did my roommates tolerance level!). It was much worse in a confined space than in the open, it got much more concentrated there.

But as for intensity, a cornish game hen in a storage locker in a 3 story tall fire escape absolutely hotboxed the space with the most intense and gangrenous smell ever. When I opened the locker, there was a puff of hot death smell, much worse than even the ambient odor. But after 2 weeks, it tapered off and then was gone, helped by my opening the windows.

So I can see why the car was dumped, and also why no one noticed the smell. If you can get past that window, no more smell.Okay the Einhorn case was probably not a good example because it was sealed but in the Levy case she was out in open air and probably after a time, as you and Joe say the smell would disipate . As for the trunk it probably soaked into any carpet they had there. Thanks for the feedback guys!

[shadydaisy]

I'm wondering if the weather had anything to do with no one noticing the smell. If it was raining people may not have been walking around outside too much. And because it was summer, school was not in session. If it's true that people were burying pets in that area the smell may have been common around that part of the woods. Although, considering the circumstances, I think people would have been in tune to keeping an eye out.

[abbra]

Easy! In her office at Universal!


OMG I just spit coffee all over the keyboard... LOL- Too Funny.

[joekuhl79]

Stopped in for a quick read....I believe the motions filed by the defense from the get go were done in hopes of getting their hands on what evidence there is against Casey. They have got to defend her in some way and I'm thinking they are yet to cook up exactly how they are going to defend someone that they know is guilty. It's refreshing to know there is a judge making common sense decisons. BBL fep


I agree with you on the judge having common sense!

...and on the reasons they're filing this crap...they're grasping at straws here! WHAT defense could there possibly be if (and by "if" I mean "when") the duct tape shows fingerprints (and maybe DNA) and any DNA or other evidence from The Bag?

There is no defense!

Self defense? No.
Insanity? No.

That's without touching the Zanny nonsense, the searches, the behavior...

[joekuhl79]

Speaking of sexual issues/abuse just look at the registered offenders anywhere near the Ants' house. Why wouldn't Casey frame one of them instead of the non-existent Zanny?

http://www.familywatchdog.us/Search.asp

ETA that you'll have to do your own search for 4937 Hopespring, Orlando

Because she hadn't thought of that angle!

[Justice Denied?]

Ooooo, that sounds good! I'll bring the Italian Honey balls I made (struffoli) and we can Dish!!

let's leave those rules to those haterade drinking, dirty stay ups who fell asleep on me............awwwwwwwwwwww, forget the rules!:beer:

Definitely works for me! Love those honey balls!
Okay, no Haterade before 2. Well, its always 2 o'clock somewhere.:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Anthony's Attorney's Evidence Requests Denied

Judge: 'I Can't Assist You In Interfering With A Murder Investigation'

POSTED: 6:37 am EST December 16, 2008
UPDATED: 3:46 pm EST December 16, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An emergency hearing was held Monday afternoon in the case against Casey Anthony.

Judge Stan Strickland denied all three motions filed by Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez.

The motions asked the Orange County Sheriff's Office to turn over photographs, video recordings and drawings taken at the crime scene where a child's remains were found on Thursday. The location is very near the Anthony home.

A second motion asked that the defense be allowed to conduct a second autopsy on the remains, and the final motion seeks to preserve forensic evidence and appoint a forensic expert for the court.

"I can't assist you in interfering with a murder investigation," Judge Stan Strickland said.
Strickland said he would consider the second autopsy after the remains are positively identified.
Baez expressed concern that Anthony will be unable to receive a fair trial.

Meanwhile, investigators continued to work to identify the remains of the child found last week.
For the first time, Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said they believe the toddler has died.

The crime scene was quiet early Tuesday morning, but investigators were expected to return for a sixth day to search for clues that could lead them to a killer.
The FBI has taken DNA samples and fingerprints from George, Cindy and Lee Anthony. Family attorney Brad Conway said that's to exclude them from investigation.
Conway said the Anthonys continue to support their daughter.

"Everybody wants to make sure that there are no mistakes made. Everybody wants to make sure that the person responsible for this crime is held responsible for it, and if that happens to be Casey (Anthony), a jury of her peers will have to make that decision," Conway said.
A memorial to Caylee continued to grow on Tuesday. What started as a single cross with flowers attached to it now includes flowers, Teddy bears, balloons and other stuffed animals.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18288397/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Because she hadn't thought of that angle!

Joe, I may have quoted the wrong post, but I was thinking about the fact that Caylee was nude and also that Casey had made the comment about them not having found her clothes yet (a while back). It's so hard to imagine WTF she would have stripped that baby.

[Justice Denied?]

HAHAHA Hagnog. Flove it!

Just thought we needed some variety. Can now choose from Beer, Haterade or Hagnog as the mood strikes. Also too many people can't handle Haterade. That is one strong potion.:beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Haterade Meeting 11:00 PM Right after Nancy Grace. :cuss:

Can we have Hagnog too? Please pretty please?

Your'e the BOMB! Comic relief is so important here. You got it, you flaunt it baby! Run for Mayor, I'll vote for ya! :seeya:

Hey, LP ran for mayor, so I guess stranger things could happen. Can I work in my jammies?

[javahog]

Because she hadn't thought of that angle!

NTB, IMO. I wonder if she knows that people who are crying wipe their eyes because there are, you know, tears? I've never seen actual liquid being wiped off of her when she does that.

[javahog]

(snip) ... It's so hard to imagine WTF she would have stripped that baby.

Maybe she thought she could get a refund for her clothes from Target.

[One2Snoop]

Yenta that I am, I've been looking around at Jose's business and haven't found his criminology degree listed anywhere except at David Lohr's. I do see that he was admitted to the FL bar on 9/22/05:

http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/3A2DB569807C9B46852570970071F970?OpenDocument

Which makes me wonder how it is that he's been working cases since 1995 including cases in Orange County since 2004:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/CriminalSelect.aspx?SessionID=86b21ede-8377-4e63-9280-87957d595b0f

Anyway, while I was nosing around the courthouse website, I looked up G&C and found this suit:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgCases.aspx?SessionID=dc6e4058-bbee-45a4-bcdb-415b425e4e63

including these details:

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details.aspx?SessionID=dc6e4058-bbee-45a4-bcdb-415b425e4e63&CaseID=4514690

So this dissolution of marriage was begun shortly after Caylee was born and went on until a little over a year ago. I can't help but wonder what that household was really like for Caylee with that kind of long drawn situation dragging on.

Here's some additional background info on Baez.... (from Investigation Discovery)

Jose Baez
Baez is Casey Anthony's lead defense attorney. According to his Web site, Baez is a former criminologist who received a B.S. degree in criminology from Florida State University.
"Mr. Baez began working for the Miami-Dade County Public Defender's office in 1995. He immediately created a reputation as a fierce advocate who fought his cases until the very end and also distinguished himself by creating a division record for the most trials where he won 32 of 34 jury trials within his first two years with the office. (It should be noted that one of his two losses was a reversed appeal)."
Prior to opening his own private practice, Baez worked for Lexis-Nexis, where he taught judges, lawyers, and law students about methods of using the Internet for investigation.
Baez has been involved in several high-profile cases in Florida, including the defense of Nilton Diaz, Kissimmee Mayor George Gant, and Elvira Garcia.

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/

[One2Snoop]

Maybe she thought she could get a refund for her clothes from Target.


Ohhhhhh thats bad. :punch: (LOL)

[Justice Denied?]

Very well then, Henry Lee shall be known from here on out as the media floozy. LOL.

AHHHHHH.... Leonard Padilla will be so hurt. He thought he had the title wrapped up.:D

[javahog]

Here's some additional background info on Baez.... (from Investigation Discovery)

Jose Baez
Baez is Casey Anthony's lead defense attorney. According to his Web site, Baez is a former criminologist who received a B.S. degree in criminology from Florida State University.
"Mr. Baez began working for the Miami-Dade County Public Defender's office in 1995. He immediately created a reputation as a fierce advocate who fought his cases until the very end and also distinguished himself by creating a division record for the most trials where he won 32 of 34 jury trials within his first two years with the office. (It should be noted that one of his two losses was a reversed appeal)."
Prior to opening his own private practice, Baez worked for Lexis-Nexis, where he taught judges, lawyers, and law students about methods of using the Internet for investigation.
Baez has been involved in several high-profile cases in Florida, including the defense of Nilton Diaz, Kissimmee Mayor George Gant, and Elvira Garcia.

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/


Great. Using the internet. He's probably letting Crimelibrary etc. do his troubleshooting for him.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's some additional background info on Baez.... (from Investigation Discovery)

Jose Baez
Baez is Casey Anthony's lead defense attorney. According to his Web site, Baez is a former criminologist who received a B.S. degree in criminology from Florida State University.
"Mr. Baez began working for the Miami-Dade County Public Defender's office in 1995. He immediately created a reputation as a fierce advocate who fought his cases until the very end and also distinguished himself by creating a division record for the most trials where he won 32 of 34 jury trials within his first two years with the office. (It should be noted that one of his two losses was a reversed appeal)."
Prior to opening his own private practice, Baez worked for Lexis-Nexis, where he taught judges, lawyers, and law students about methods of using the Internet for investigation.
Baez has been involved in several high-profile cases in Florida, including the defense of Nilton Diaz, Kissimmee Mayor George Gant, and Elvira Garcia.

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/

I read that and that's why I started looking around. Wondering how he could have been practicing law since 1995 when he wasn't accepted to the bar until 2005. It's also interesting that the links for Baez's website don't work. Wondering where he got his law degree.

According to this he was a certified intern working under the auspices of a legit attorney:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17114393/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I read that and that's why I started looking around. Wondering how he could have been practicing law since 1995 when he wasn't accepted to the bar until 2005. It's also interesting that the links for Baez's website don't work. Wondering where he got his law degree.

:eek: I just got a warning from my browser when I clicked on "Attorney Zone"!

[Justice Denied?]

I just can't believe Baez...who I'd like to rename BS. What is he thinking? The judge called his motions "pure folly"! I'm telling you, this guys is the real life embodiment of Lionel Hutz, of I Can't Believe It's A Law Firm (from the Simpsons, if you're not a fan)


Someone recommended him?! As I recall, wasn't it some chicks in jail recommended him to Liar?

"Hey, there's the btch that killed her kid. Let's all give her that crappy attorneys name and say he's good. She'll get screwed!"

Or Casey made her selection of a lawyer on the recommendation of a bunch of hookers and drunks who were probably Baez's clients.

[mu8shark]

I'm wondering if the weather had anything to do with no one noticing the smell. If it was raining people may not have been walking around outside too much. And because it was summer, school was not in session. If it's true that people were burying pets in that area the smell may have been common around that part of the woods. Although, considering the circumstances, I think people would have been in tune to keeping an eye out.Here is something else on that, remember the public was not even really aware a little girl was missing until July 16 or so. So if there was an odd odor in the woods around the end of June, maybe they were not keeping an eye out. Once they were alerted around July 16 the body could have been there almost three weeks and the smell somewhat gone. This did not occur to me till I thought about the timeline. And if it did start heavy rains around June 24 or so, who goes back in there in the mud and muck?

[One2Snoop]

I read that and that's why I started looking around. Wondering how he could have been practicing law since 1995 when he wasn't accepted to the bar until 2005. It's also interesting that the links for Baez's website don't work. Wondering where he got his law degree.

According to this he was a certified intern working under the auspices of a legit attorney:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17114393/detail.html

I knew I'd read this info awhile back - it may have even been posted here...

Baez graduated from a Bottom Tier Law School:
St. Thomas University (Ranked 182nd in a field of 185 law schools).
To wit, the LSAT score of the ‘brightest’ student in Baez’s class would fail to ‘make the cut’ at some 151 of the 185 law schools ranked by the Internet Legal Research Group.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/dirtbag-attorney-jose-baez-and-his-background/

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm so bad at research, thanks for the links. Problem is, I couldn't open the details, but I saw G.A. listed under Family court and the date.

I had to use the control key when I clicked on the details link, but this is it.

Case Summary
Case Number: 05-DR-0021291-O Filing Date: 12/29/2005
Case Type: Family Services
Case Status: CLOSED
Status Date: 11/28/2007
Current Judge: THORPE, J
Party Details Case Disposition Case Calendar Case Actions Financial Details

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Subject ID Full Name Party Type Status
D-A CYNTHIA ANTHONY DEFENDANT CLOSED
P-A GEORGE A ANTHONY PLAINTIFF CLOSED
P-A JON SABLOW ROSENBERG ATTORNEY

Top
Disposition: ORDER OF DISMISSAL AFTER HEARING
Disposition Type: DISMISSED AFTER HEARING
Disposition Date: 11/28/2007

Top
Event Date Event Time Description Location
11/26/2007 0900 NOTICE OF CASE MGMT CONFERENCE ROOM 16-B ON THE 16TH FLOOR
11/1/2006 0945 HEARING 20-C COURTROOM

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Docket Date Defendant Docket Entry
12/29/2005 P-A ADMINISTRATIVE TEMPORARY ORDER
12/29/2005 000 CIVIL COVER SHEET FILED
12/29/2005 P-A FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT
12/29/2005 000 INITIAL JUDGE ASSIGNED WHITE, A B 41
12/29/2005 PETITION - DISSOLUTION
12/29/2005 D-A SUMMONS ISSUED
1/9/2006 P-A CERTIFICATE OF AUTOMATIC MANDATORY COMPLIANCE
1/10/2006 D-A SUMMONS SERVED [1/2/2006]
1/10/2006 D-A SUMMONS SERVED [1/2/2006]
1/17/2006 P-A MOTION FOR ABATEMENT
10/20/2006 P-A MOTION FOR WITHDRAWAL OF COUNSEL (ATTY ROSENBERG)
10/20/2006 000 NOTICE OF HEARING * 11/01/2006 09:45 A.M.
11/1/2006 ORDER FOR WITHDRAWAL OF COUNSEL
1/1/2007 000 CASE REASSIGNED TO JUDGE 29
10/12/2007 NOTICE OF CASE MANAGEMENT CONFERENCE 11/26/2007 09:00 A.M.
10/17/2007 P-A RETURNED MAIL OF PETITIONER
11/28/2007 FINAL ORDER OF DISMISSAL AFTER HEARING RECORDED

Top
View All Case Financial Details
Subject Defendant Assessment Payment
P001 GEORGE A ANTHONY $363.00 $363.00 Defendant Details

George also had a couple of civil cases.

[lorettalockhorn]

I knew I'd read this info awhile back - it may have even been posted here...

Baez graduated from a Bottom Tier Law School:
St. Thomas University (Ranked 182nd in a field of 185 law schools).
To wit, the LSAT score of the ‘brightest’ student in Baez’s class would fail to ‘make the cut’ at some 151 of the 185 law schools ranked by the Internet Legal Research Group.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/dirtbag-attorney-jose-baez-and-his-background/

Thanks, I just found a St. Thomas University in Miami (as opposed to The Virgin Islands), including that same link!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm wondering if the weather had anything to do with no one noticing the smell. If it was raining people may not have been walking around outside too much. And because it was summer, school was not in session. If it's true that people were burying pets in that area the smell may have been common around that part of the woods. Although, considering the circumstances, I think people would have been in tune to keeping an eye out.

You know, that makes perfect sense about the weather being a deterrent to folks out walking or curbing their dogs. According to weather data maps, there was 6-8 inches of rain in the Orlando area in June.

[mu8shark]

I haven't seen that it's been verified, but I haven't seen that it was discounted. Also, I believe there were texts too...because Liar would not talk to Cindy - at that time she preferred to text her. Hmmm....I wonder why?


EDIT: On the friend....I mentioned that last week also...that interview is in with all the transcripts that were released very early on...in August maybe? That friend listed is Tiomarie Cruz if I remember correctly and LE said by the time they interviewed her and got to that area, some of it was under water so it is not like they looked at this location early on or right away. . They had no reason to search there till they interviewed her and then got the manpower out there. I think there were concentrating on the pings near the airport. By the way remember the woman who said she talked to Caylee Marie Anthony on the plane , I bet she is kind of embarassed. LOL.If she is a dog breeder and the info got out about her not being above board on the dogs, I bet she wishes she had not come forward. Fifteen minutes of fame has its price, after all.

[hawgustusgloop]

I have been trying not to follow this case much, but I just want to say that if they give Casey's parents immunity at this point, my head will explode. They need to charge them if they have the goods on them and, if they must, give the Anthonys an opportunity to tell their next version of the truth as part of a plea deal to stay out of jail or something.

[One2Snoop]

OCSO Lawyer: Skull Belongs To Girl

Anthony's Attorney's Evidence Requests Denied

POSTED: 6:37 am EST December 16, 2008
UPDATED: 4:40 pm EST December 16, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- An attorney for the Orange County Sheriff’s Department confirmed for the first time that the skull found near the Anthony home was that of a little girl.
Sources said the skull had long light hair that was still intact because of the duct tape found on the skull.

snip
http://www.wesh.com/news/18288397/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

That friend listed is Tiomarie Cruz if I remember correctly and LE said by the time they interviewed her and got to that area, some of it was under water so it is not like they looked at this location early on or right away. . They had no reason to search there till they interviewed her and then got the manpower out there. I think there were concentrating on the pings near the airport. By the way remember the woman who said she talked to Caylee Marie Anthony on the plane , I bet she is kind of embarassed. LOL.If she is a dog breeder and the info got out about her not being above board on the dogs, I bet she wishes she had not come forward. Fifteen minutes of fame has its price, after all.

I just read Kiomarie's interview with the detective (it was at the Hidden Oaks School on 7/19); she mentioned that she wasn't allowed in the Anthony house when Cindy was home, but George was cool about Hispanics. She's also the one who said that she talked to Casey on the 9th of July and heard Caylee in the background. At least that's what she assumed, because Casey shushed her and said that mommy was busy on the phone.

[mu8shark]

You know, that makes perfect sense about the weather being a deterrent to folks out walking or curbing their dogs. According to weather data maps, there was 6-8 inches of rain in the Orlando area in June.
Loretta nice job on the rainfall. Six to eight inches is enough to make that wooded area or any wooded area soggy. As a person who has dogs we avoid the mud for a variety of reasons, a wrecked carpet and soggy puppy feet. It makes perfect sense to me as well. That is a lot of rain for one month. Particulary if a lot of it fell after the 24th when allegedlly Leonard said it started to rain.

[mu8shark]

I just read Kiomarie's interview with the detective (it was at the Hidden Oaks School on 7/19); she mentioned that she wasn't allowed in the Anthony house when Cindy was home, but George was cool about Hispanics. She's also the one who said that she talked to Casey on the 9th of July and heard Caylee in the background. At least that's what she assumed, because Casey shushed her and said that mommy was busy on the phone.
Well Jessie Grund said this as well, that he thought he heard Caylee in the background but backed off it. I wonder if Casey was trying to play a little game by saying," Caylee be quiet mommy is on the phone to get people to believe she had the child with her. If the tv was on in the background maybe she innocently thought she heard a voice. Also of course in the long run it does not make sense that she would be with Casey on the 9th of July when Zenaida took her on the June 16th, right? Casey has made several goofs on this , she placed Caylee with her when Zanny had her wreck around the 20 something of June and Caylee was in one of the cars. How did Cindy and George not ask her I thought you said you had not seen her since the 16th of June, when you dropped her off. Of course the liar would say she rekidnapped her again after that . Okay now I am being facetious. LOL. I made some cookies anybody want me to email one? Does it go good with haterade? LOL. The dogs both got to have one.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have been trying not to follow this case much, but I just want to say that if they give Casey's parents immunity at this point, my head will explode. They need to charge them if they have the goods on them and, if they must, give the Anthonys an opportunity to tell their next version of the truth as part of a plea deal to stay out of jail or something.

Hawg! I can well imagine that cases like this are particularly disturbing to young mothers like you and FD. I was a caseworker when that sonofab!tch McVeigh murdered those little ones (and adults) in OKC, and I'm here to tell you that some of my co-workers who had seen everyeffingthing in the book were absolutely sickened. One in particular who was really great at her job had to take a leave of absence she was so distraught.

[Spider]

Perhaps I'm just thick as a redwood tree stump but why would G&A NEED immunity if they "have nothing to hide". And doesn't their attorney stating that NEW interviews will NOT have conflicting statements ADMIT that they lied in previous interviews? Why can LE not go after them for false statements now? I am with a previous poster on this....I think my head may explode also if they are molly coddled all through this mucking steaming pile of lies THEY helped create and supported.

Someone with good smarts help me out on this one.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well Jessie Grund said this as well, that he thought he heard Caylee in the background but backed off it. I wonder if Casey was trying to play a little game by saying," Caylee be quiet mommy is on the phone to get people to believe she had the child with her. If the tv was on in the background maybe she innocently thought she heard a voice. Also of course in the long run it does not make sense that she would be with Casey on the 9th of July when Zenaida took her on the June 16th, right? Casey has made several goofs on this , she placed Caylee with her when Zanny had her wreck around the 20 something of June and Caylee was in one of the cars. How did Cindy and George not ask her I thought you said you had not seen her since the 16th of June, when you dropped her off. Of course the liar would say she rekidnapped her again after that . Okay now I am being facetious. LOL. I made some cookies anybody want me to email one? Does it go good with haterade? LOL. The dogs both got to have one.

Oh, I hear you and I'm not trying to refute any theories, but I wonder if it's possible that Casey had a recording or videotape that she used while talking to folks on the phone to make it seem as though Caylee was still alive.

[TheSkwerl]

I was watching "Courtside" today when they had the emergency session, and I can't remember if it was mentioned before or after the session coverage, but I thought that I heard Ashleigh Banfield mention that there was a rumor (or rumors) to the effect of that George had tried to sexually molest Casey when she was living at home (no exact time mentioned), and also that Lee tried to assault her as well. AM I HEARING THINGS????????? I just wanted to see if anyone else heard that too, so I know I'm not insane, or perhaps thought that I hit the clicker and switched over to Springer.
Another thing I wanted to ask, I don't know if it's been brought up before, but if a person or persons "held you down" and took your child (as was mentioned in one of the reports), wouldn't you file a police report and maybe go to the hospital for an examination (or have pics taken at the police station), and also file a kidnapping report and have officers out looking for the person/people that took your child? I'm sure that's one of the famous tales from Casey Anthony's Big Book of Fables and Stories, but just wondering if that was followed up on.
Also, who's name (if any) is on Caylee's birth certificate as the father? I know Cindy said that nobody will ever know the Caylee's father's name, but I'm just curious.
I've been lurking for a while, posting occasionally, and want to let everyone on this board know that you guys (and girls) are wonderful. You keep me sane during my ever frustrating job search!!!!!:seeya:

[mu8shark]

Perhaps I'm just thick as a redwood tree stump but why would G&A NEED immunity if they "have nothing to hide". And doesn't their attorney stating that NEW interviews will NOT have conflicting statements ADMIT that they lied in previous interviews? Why can LE not go after them for false statements now? I am with a previous poster on this....I think my head may explode also if they are molly coddled all through this mucking steaming pile of lies THEY helped create and supported.

Someone with good smarts help me out on this one. I think that their own lawyer would say this is very telling. This Conway guy must have gone in there and offered to represent them but with conditions, like tell me the truth and then we are going to LE to tell the truth. I don't think it is anything as egregious as hiding the body or Casey confessing to them , but I think Cindy and George may have told some big whoppers of lies and also withheld information that would make Casey sound more guilty, (if that is possible). Personally I do not think your response thick at all. I think the lawyer knows something is going to come out in the reinterview that may be trouble for them.

[One2Snoop]

I was watching "Courtside" today when they had the emergency session, and I can't remember if it was mentioned before or after the session coverage, but I thought that I heard Ashleigh Banfield mention that there was a rumor (or rumors) to the effect of that George had tried to sexually molest Casey when she was living at home (no exact time mentioned), and also that Lee tried to assault her as well. AM I HEARING THINGS????????? I just wanted to see if anyone else heard that too, so I know I'm not insane, or perhaps thought that I hit the clicker and switched over to Springer.
Another thing I wanted to ask, I don't know if it's been brought up before, but if a person or persons "held you down" and took your child (as was mentioned in one of the reports), wouldn't you file a police report and maybe go to the hospital for an examination (or have pics taken at the police station), and also file a kidnapping report and have officers out looking for the person/people that took your child? I'm sure that's one of the famous tales from Casey Anthony's Big Book of Fables and Stories, but just wondering if that was followed up on.
Also, who's name (if any) is on Caylee's birth certificate as the father? I know Cindy said that nobody will ever know the Caylee's father's name, but I'm just curious.
I've been lurking for a while, posting occasionally, and want to let everyone on this board know that you guys (and girls) are wonderful. You keep me sane during my ever frustrating job search!!!!!:seeya:

That was rumored about a few months back - don't know if its true or not. :shrug:

IIRC There isn't a fathers name listed.

[mu8shark]

I was watching "Courtside" today when they had the emergency session, and I can't remember if it was mentioned before or after the session coverage, but I thought that I heard Ashleigh Banfield mention that there was a rumor (or rumors) to the effect of that George had tried to sexually molest Casey when she was living at home (no exact time mentioned), and also that Lee tried to assault her as well. AM I HEARING THINGS????????? I just wanted to see if anyone else heard that too, so I know I'm not insane, or perhaps thought that I hit the clicker and switched over to Springer.
Another thing I wanted to ask, I don't know if it's been brought up before, but if a person or persons "held you down" and took your child (as was mentioned in one of the reports), wouldn't you file a police report and maybe go to the hospital for an examination (or have pics taken at the police station), and also file a kidnapping report and have officers out looking for the person/people that took your child? I'm sure that's one of the famous tales from Casey Anthony's Big Book of Fables and Stories, but just wondering if that was followed up on.
Also, who's name (if any) is on Caylee's birth certificate as the father? I know Cindy said that nobody will ever know the Caylee's father's name, but I'm just curious.
I've been lurking for a while, posting occasionally, and want to let everyone on this board know that you guys (and girls) are wonderful. You keep me sane during my ever frustrating job search!!!!!:seeya: You were not hearing things, Casey told several friends the abuse story. She did not tell that to LE, although to be fair it was not something in the search that was relevant. The reporter brought it up right after she said Cindy said they would not know the name of Caylees father, the Birth Certificate is blank. I think anyone would go to the police to tell the police someone took their child right away. Of course Caseys fable is that she was afraid Zenaida the powerful would hurt her parents and kill Caylee. Now that the worst has happened, as I pointed out yesterday she can come forward with all the truthful info, right?? I am still waiting. ......:rolleyes:

[mu8shark]

Oh, I hear you and I'm not trying to refute any theories, but I wonder if it's possible that Casey had a recording or videotape that she used while talking to folks on the phone to make it seem as though Caylee was still alive.You know if you had a videotape you could whip that thing on and bluff your way through lots of phone calls. Did not think of that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Perhaps I'm just thick as a redwood tree stump but why would G&A NEED immunity if they "have nothing to hide". And doesn't their attorney stating that NEW interviews will NOT have conflicting statements ADMIT that they lied in previous interviews? Why can LE not go after them for false statements now? I am with a previous poster on this....I think my head may explode also if they are molly coddled all through this mucking steaming pile of lies THEY helped create and supported.

Someone with good smarts help me out on this one.

I interpreted the statement about conflicts to mean that G&C won't be giving two different versions of the same events. Like the smell of death in the car for instance. It either smelled like death or smelled like rotten pizza, and they're not going to be flip-flopping like a political candidate or a fish out of the bowl about sworn testimony anymore. And that they won't be refuting what the other says. Which all could be solved if they would just STHU every time they see a camera or a microphone.

If they don't straighten up and fly right this very minute, I'd love to see them prosecuted for trying to bollix the investigation.

[javahog]

Here's what I don't get: If Caylee's father is dead, why hasn't Casey tried to get his social security or money from his estate? (I don't think she's the type to honor an agreement when money is at stake). Why haven't the police demanded to know his identity to interview the family in case they found out about Caylee and decided to pay the nanny to give her to them? (I mean, just in case way back when it might have been possible). If its all a lie and he's alive, how come he was never a person of interest, at least for elimination? And why hasn't Casey nailed on him for child support? Anyone who would embezzle from her friend would surely bust on a guy or his estate/his parents for money. How come her defense hasn't said, hey maybe its the biodad's family that bankrolled the kidnapping...:shrug:

all moo ?s

[Spider]

BS Baez must be feeling like he is drowning. Does he really think fame and fortune will follow in the wake if this train wreck. I mean, really, it did not seem that long ago that he told the public that the truth would come out and would would ALL be saying...wait for it......"We understand now."


Does he not realize that he is among a selct few morons that believes Liar and anything that could have, should have, or would have happened?

I have a gut feeling that G&A have been informed that Liars prints are on that tape or else no attorney or even a dog muzzle would keep her mouth shut otherwise.

[mu8shark]

Off to fix some chops for me and the dogs but will be on here after NG to see what is up and what all you fine minds have to say. I wish Nancy would have a little info on that tape. :cuss:

[browneyes106]

I knew I'd read this info awhile back - it may have even been posted here...

Baez graduated from a Bottom Tier Law School:
St. Thomas University (Ranked 182nd in a field of 185 law schools).
To wit, the LSAT score of the ‘brightest’ student in Baez’s class would fail to ‘make the cut’ at some 151 of the 185 law schools ranked by the Internet Legal Research Group.

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/dirtbag-attorney-jose-baez-and-his-background/

I was curious about where Baez went to law school. After looking at info of the school it seems like a really bad law school. I'm considering law school and I'm really glad that law school at my college is a tier 2 school with resonably good tuition rate.. STU is probably an expensive dumping site for people with low LSAT's. The current tuition is 13,000 per semester. I also found this article about the school that makes it look badhttp://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1157030383798

[mu8shark]

BS Baez must be feeling like he is drowning. Does he really think fame and fortune will follow in the wake if this train wreck. I mean, really, it did not seem that long ago that he told the public that the truth would come out and would would ALL be saying...wait for it......"We understand now."


Does he not realize that he is among a selct few morons that believes Liar and anything that could have, should have, or would have happened?

I have a gut feeling that G&A have been informed that Liars prints are on that tape or else no attorney or even a dog muzzle would keep her mouth shut otherwise.Oh speaking of the tape , I thought of this last night, if Leonard is right that she put that tape on after to make it look like a genuine kidnapping(and I am not convinced of this at all, but just if) would it not be ironic that it turned around and bit her in the ass. Here she is trying to point the finger at someone else with that tape and bing it points the finger at her. Same with taking the clothes off, if this is true . Because her statement they have not even found the clothes yet is probably going to point straight to her and not some wild pedophile like she may have wanted to indicate. Almost as good as the irony that she wanted her freedom and now she has zero, none, zilch, nada, butkis.

[browneyes106]

You were not hearing things, Casey told several friends the abuse story. She did not tell that to LE, although to be fair it was not something in the search that was relevant. The reporter brought it up right after she said Cindy said they would not know the name of Caylees father, the Birth Certificate is blank. I think anyone would go to the police to tell the police someone took their child right away. Of course Caseys fable is that she was afraid Zenaida the powerful would hurt her parents and kill Caylee. Now that the worst has happened, as I pointed out yesterday she can come forward with all the truthful info, right?? I am still waiting. ......:rolleyes:

On NG, Leonard said that in one Jesse Grund's interview he told police that Casey claimed that Lee tried to take advantage of her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's what I don't get: If Caylee's father is dead, why hasn't Casey tried to get his social security or money from his estate? (I don't think she's the type to honor an agreement when money is at stake). Why haven't the police demanded to know his identity to interview the family in case they found out about Caylee and decided to pay the nanny to give her to them? (I mean, just in case way back when it might have been possible). If its all a lie and he's alive, how come he was never a person of interest, at least for elimination? And why hasn't Casey nailed on him for child support? Anyone who would embezzle from her friend would surely bust on a guy or his estate/his parents for money. How come her defense hasn't said, hey maybe its the biodad's family that bankrolled the kidnapping...:shrug:

all moo ?s

Makes you wonder if she has a clue who Caylee's father is/was.

[javahog]

Makes you wonder if she has a clue who Caylee's father is/was.

Ewwww. I hadn't thought of that.

Even the lightskirts on Springer try to guess out of a couple dozen.

[Spider]

I know how far I would go for MY daughter. BUT....it would end when I had facts that she killed her own child. But then again... my daughter is raised not to lie, although at 17 apparently that is a part of the package. Not in my house. I have even had others tell me that if I punished her for lying/misdeads that she would rebel or run away!! Okay......So...am I supposed to tiptoe around and make sure she can lie cheat or steal her way out of anything just so she will not ant to runaway or move out at 18 because she can't abide by the home rules?? NO!! There is love and there is tough love. The liar has never seen tough love. Her own parents are afraid of her. THEY helped create this sociopathic monster.

BTW...the same person who "advised" me of this wonderful knowledge also still pays for her son's auto insurance. He is 36 and has three kids and she just can't figure out why he is not more independent or can't keep a job.

I also know that if I talked to MY mother like Liar talked to hers I would have tasted the back of my Mother's hand. And deserved it. And yet people wonder why there are talk shows as to why today's children are out of hand and have no direction?! DEERRRHHH.

The Anthony family should serve as a WARNING!!

Sorry for the rant folks.

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony coverage: The reporting on the human remains is rather confusing
posted by halboedeker on Dec 16, 2008 7:02:35 PM



"It's a girl," WESH-Channel 2's Jim Payne said in opening the 4 p.m. news Tuesday.

But several hours later, that statement was no longer definitive. The latest in the Caylee Anthony coverage was all rather confusing after the early evening news ended.

A judge said no to defense requests by Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney. Judge Stan Strickland said he couldn't help the defense interfere in a murder investigation. WFTV-Channel 9's Kathi Belich said Strickland "appeared to be impatient" to get through the hearing.

That portion of the story was quickly resolved. Television seized on a statement by an attorney from the sheriff's department that the remains were those of a girl.

What's the story? On WFTV, sheriff's spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves focused on the attorney's comment. "That was misstated," Nieves said. "At this point, we still do not have definitive identification of the skull or the remains of the child." (WFTV's Bob Opsahl said that investigators could clear the crime scene by late tomorrow.)

WKMG-Channel 6's Mike DeForest also relayed the update that the attorney had misspoke about the remains.

But DeForest added, "The [sheriff's] spokesman wouldn't say whether that attorney was wrong. He didn't deny it. He didn't try to contradict it. He just said that she misspoke when she said that in court today, because authorities have not been able to identify that child at all, even though Local 6 has learned it is that of a young girl out there."

DeForest said WKMG had learned "an undisclosed item found near the body is linked to the Anthony home."

Earlier, WESH's Bob Kealing reported that an attorney for the sheriff's office said the girl's skull had light, long hair.

Kealing interviewed a female bystander who said Casey Anthony's defense team didn't deserve access to the crime scene. "Are you kidding?" the woman said. "They should be kept in Kissimmee, and they should let the people do their job here."

WOFL-Channel 35 looked at "The Anthony's Agony" -- yes, that's the way the station punctuated it -- and reported that Casey Anthony has been taken off the psychological watch at the Orange County Jail.

For the late news, WFTV teased that Casey had a surprise visitor today.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-coverage.html

[One2Snoop]

Child Puts Toy Angel At Makeshift Memorial Site
December 16, 2008

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8083261&version=1&locale=EN-US

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Anthony's Mom Hires Crime Scene Expert
Posted By: Gary Detman Created: 12/16/2008 5:31:59 PM Updated: 12/16/2008 5:37:08 PM


ORLANDO, FL -- A crime scene expert has joined the defense team representing accused child killer Casey Anthony.

Three-year-old Caylee Anthony has been missing for five months and her mother, Casey, is charged with her murder.

Last week a child's body was discovered near Casey Anthony's home.

Within hours of the find lead defense attorney Jose Baez called Dennis Fahey for his expertise.

Fahey, President of Physical Evidence Consultants, has been analyzing crime scenes for three decades.

"It's lady justice holding the scales. She's blindfolded and some instances we see that lady of justice taking a peek underneath that blindfold," said Fahey. "Lady Justice. If we trusted her, we wouldn't be involved with it."

Fahey already visited the Anthony family on Friday and examined their home where 3-year-old Caylee Anthony lived.

"The child's room was beautifully kept and the mother's room was almost a shrine to the child," said Fahey.

For now though, Fahey is just waiting for detectives to finish processing the crime scene so he can start his own investigation.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=126010&catid=4

[One2Snoop]

and this proves what Mr. Fahey? :shrug: :rolleyes:


Fahey already visited the Anthony family on Friday and examined their home where 3-year-old Caylee Anthony lived.

"The child's room was beautifully kept and the mother's room was almost a shrine to the child," said Fahey.

[Justice Denied?]

I was watching "Courtside" today when they had the emergency session, and I can't remember if it was mentioned before or after the session coverage, but I thought that I heard Ashleigh Banfield mention that there was a rumor (or rumors) to the effect of that George had tried to sexually molest Casey when she was living at home (no exact time mentioned), and also that Lee tried to assault her as well. AM I HEARING THINGS????????? I just wanted to see if anyone else heard that too, so I know I'm not insane, or perhaps thought that I hit the clicker and switched over to Springer.
Another thing I wanted to ask, I don't know if it's been brought up before, but if a person or persons "held you down" and took your child (as was mentioned in one of the reports), wouldn't you file a police report and maybe go to the hospital for an examination (or have pics taken at the police station), and also file a kidnapping report and have officers out looking for the person/people that took your child? I'm sure that's one of the famous tales from Casey Anthony's Big Book of Fables and Stories, but just wondering if that was followed up on.
Also, who's name (if any) is on Caylee's birth certificate as the father? I know Cindy said that nobody will ever know the Caylee's father's name, but I'm just curious.
I've been lurking for a while, posting occasionally, and want to let everyone on this board know that you guys (and girls) are wonderful. You keep me sane during my ever frustrating job search!!!!!:seeya:

Skwerl,

I am so sorry to read that you are unemployed, especially at this time of year,when no one is hiring. I know how fustrating job hunting can be. Would rather work a double shift that look for a job 8hours. Wish you luck and will keep you in my prayers. Have some Haterade. Youu won't care if you ever work again. LOL

[One2Snoop]

Baez after the hearing....

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=BAEZTUESDAY_121620080443&cat=CAC&title=Baez%20After%20Hearing

[lorettalockhorn]

I was watching "Courtside" today when they had the emergency session, and I can't remember if it was mentioned before or after the session coverage, but I thought that I heard Ashleigh Banfield mention that there was a rumor (or rumors) to the effect of that George had tried to sexually molest Casey when she was living at home (no exact time mentioned), and also that Lee tried to assault her as well. AM I HEARING THINGS????????? I just wanted to see if anyone else heard that too, so I know I'm not insane, or perhaps thought that I hit the clicker and switched over to Springer.
Another thing I wanted to ask, I don't know if it's been brought up before, but if a person or persons "held you down" and took your child (as was mentioned in one of the reports), wouldn't you file a police report and maybe go to the hospital for an examination (or have pics taken at the police station), and also file a kidnapping report and have officers out looking for the person/people that took your child? I'm sure that's one of the famous tales from Casey Anthony's Big Book of Fables and Stories, but just wondering if that was followed up on.
Also, who's name (if any) is on Caylee's birth certificate as the father? I know Cindy said that nobody will ever know the Caylee's father's name, but I'm just curious.
I've been lurking for a while, posting occasionally, and want to let everyone on this board know that you guys (and girls) are wonderful. You keep me sane during my ever frustrating job search!!!!!:seeya:

Missed this earlier my "View First Unread" doesn't work!

Good luck with your job search!

I'm telling you, Zenaida and Samantha(?) must be like the Gorgeous Girls of the WWE, they can hold Casey down(kicking and screaming no doubt) AND grab Caylee AND make a getaway simultaneously.

Oh, and hand over the Thirty Day Script.

[Justice Denied?]

Watching Ng getting choked up about the flesh still being attached to the duct tape instead of Caylee being home for Christmas.......:(

Can I please have an iced Haterade with a shot of Hagnog...just one, until the show is over..........

Darn, I can't get to my flower, it's hidden by the Sprint ad.

Okay, but just to get through the show. No more til it's over (8 min).:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Emergency Hearing Part 1

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=BAEZTUESDAY_121620080443&cat=CAC&title=Baez%20After%20Hearing

Emergency Hearing Part 2

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=emerghearing2_121620080332&cat=CAC&title=Emergency%20Hearing%20Part%202

[lorettalockhorn]

Watching NG, and she is so testy to her producer Natisha Lance. Why?? The girl works eight days a week dawn to dark and she can't speak or answer without Nancy butting in with some incredulous question? Pfft

[One2Snoop]

Help Find Caylee website down? :shrug:

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/

[RaVeN71806]

There was no reason for Cindy or George to go to the crime scene. Their plane from California didn't touch down until sometime after 4:00 that day. Caylee's remains had been taken from the site to the ME's office about an hour earlier.

I didn't know that but I was making a point..and its shouldn't matter if they already moved the body they should of still went...

[One2Snoop]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24whqxd.jpg
George Anthony is overcome
with emotion as he sits inside his car today.
(Red Huber, Orlando Sentinel)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

[mu8shark]

Caylee Anthony's Mom Hires Crime Scene Expert
Posted By: Gary Detman Created: 12/16/2008 5:31:59 PM Updated: 12/16/2008 5:37:08 PM


ORLANDO, FL -- A crime scene expert has joined the defense team representing accused child killer Casey Anthony.

Three-year-old Caylee Anthony has been missing for five months and her mother, Casey, is charged with her murder.

Last week a child's body was discovered near Casey Anthony's home.

Within hours of the find lead defense attorney Jose Baez called Dennis Fahey for his expertise.

Fahey, President of Physical Evidence Consultants, has been analyzing crime scenes for three decades.

"It's lady justice holding the scales. She's blindfolded and some instances we see that lady of justice taking a peek underneath that blindfold," said Fahey. "Lady Justice. If we trusted her, we wouldn't be involved with it."

Fahey already visited the Anthony family on Friday and examined their home where 3-year-old Caylee Anthony lived.

"The child's room was beautifully kept and the mother's room was almost a shrine to the child," said Fahey.

For now though, Fahey is just waiting for detectives to finish processing the crime scene so he can start his own investigation.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=126010&catid=4 She has lots of pictures up, so it proves she did not kill her? I can see this guy will go out of his way to prove her innocent. Also just in case Mr Fahey wants to know in a lot of cases where two spouses have been fighting like cats and dogs and one kills the other and tries to get away with it, the murdering spouse becomes very accomodating, more reasonable and loving that anyone remembered before so that people will say things were fine, things were getting better. Casey may have done the shrine herself with that in mind or Mommy may have put things a certain way as well. This proves nothing,

[mu8shark]

I didn't know that but I was making a point..and its shouldn't matter if they already moved the body they should of still went... This is just my opinion but it is very unusual for victims families to go directly to the crime scene at such a time. They would not be allowed anywhere near the body, would never be allowed to view anything and most people would chose to privately do their viewing or grieving where there are not media tents set up. If they had gone i would be saying and many others they were trying to interfere and trying to make a show in front of the world. Just my opinion. Them staying away and shutting up is one of the first reasonable things they have done in my opinion.

[Mac]

This is just my opinion but it is very unusual for victims families to go directly to the crime scene at such a time. They would not be allowed anywhere near the body, would never be allowed to view anything and most people would chose to privately do their viewing or grieving where there are not media tents set up. If they had gone i would be saying and many others they were trying to interfere and trying to make a show in front of the world. Just my opinion. Them staying away and shutting up is one of the first reasonable things they have done in my opinion.

The first reasonable thing.....I have to agree with that MU

Mac

[TheSkwerl]

Thank you so much, Justice Denied?!!!!! It is frustrating, but if I can hang on just a little longer, then (hopefully) the levee will break.
Can I get a hot Haterade, because it's sooooooo cold here, and snowing, and snowing, and snowing.......

[TheSkwerl]

I'm not quite sure what this Mr. Fahey is going to do that the CSI's and the FBI haven't done, or is he going to mark his status as one of the "outside experts"? I'm kindof confused about his role in this.

[mu8shark]

Here is what I think about the experts. Let's say that they come up with conflicting testimony, one says Caylee has only been dead two weeks or some such preposterous idea and the prosecution expert will have a much longer time estimate by their expert and then the insect guys(by the way I may be wrong but I think the guy you mentioned is the bug guy, I think) will have conflicting views and so on. Here is my prediction, the jury will look at what story makes sense, who looked up things relating to missing children and death and chloroform and neck breaking and who lied and who had a motive to lie , who behaved for a month like life was one long belly rub, while her child is missing and they will say the experts canceled each other out but that her lies and behavior is what made them convict. It would be nice if it would be just be straightforward science but it won't be like that not with the likes of the media floozy Henry Lee and the other floozies who do this to enhance reps. It never ceases to amaze me how juries wade through most conflicting forensic testimony with common sense, except of course in California, Spector and OJ and such , where celebrity trumps reality in a courtroom. And I think in this case if there is conflicting testimony the jury will side with what makes sense, what their gut and logic tell them.

[mu8shark]

I'm not quite sure what this Mr. Fahey is going to do that the CSI's and the FBI haven't done, or is he going to mark his status as one of the "outside experts"? I'm kindof confused about his role in this.
My bad he is not the bug guy lol, he is President of Physical Evidence Consultants, has been analyzing crime scenes for three decades.

[mu8shark]

When I saw the photo of George Anthony weeping in his car, I felt compassion. As human beings I believe we would have all felt compassion if the Anthony family showed normal responses to this tragedy. IMO, we would have supported the family without Haterade. My reaction to that picture was knee jerk sorrow for him, for all of them. My sorrow for the child was always on. :rose::rose::rose::rose:

I wish I felt confident that those people can heal, but I don't. It almost embarrasses me that they put their cold sick daughter in my living room. I didn't want to know them that well. They won't heal. Their lives are like rolling tumbleweeds, dry, brittle and empty. This entire saga is composed of the stuff of tall tales. They sold Caylee down the river.

If I were to predict the rest of their lives, I'd say, George will die of it. Cindy will drink or drug it away and Lee will disappear, when he grows up, and move far away. They had love once, and didn't know how to love it back. That's all they will ever know of it.

"That love is all there is, is all we know of love" Emily Dickinson You know I go back and forth on George, some days I think he must be in hell, with his daughter in jail, his granddaughter dead and his wife, an overbearing, difficult, controlling woman. And some days I get mad and say he needs to man up but that picture is truly heartbreaking. His life will never , ever be the same. And from a human perspective he must be in just the worst place and probably has been for months ever since Cindy decided getting Casey off was the most important thing. Oddly the reporter today on Court tv said in all her interviews of Cindy and her observing of her at the vigils , she never cried as far as she could tell, which sounds like Casey.

[mu8shark]

He said it again tonight; Caylee was gone on June 16th. I thought it was the 18th, but ...

He seems calm tonight, not so angry, not so smug. No toothpick in his mouth. He actually looks better. But that is consistent, he says she was gone on the 16th which is what he has been saying and she wrapped that tape and bags and all by the 18th. I am not sure why he says that. I do wonder if for instance LE has a record of Casey purchasing tape on the 18th or something. Otherwise why is he so sure when the tape was wrapped around her?

[mu8shark]

Help Find Caylee website down? :shrug:

http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/ I just clicked on there and it seems to be still up.

[mu8shark]

See you in the mornin around 6am. :-) Don't get arrested for writing under the influence of hagnog! Looking forward to my coffee with your posts.

Night!
:seeya:

:rose: Goodnight Caylee baby. I know you're rollin round heaven, where nothing hurts you anymore. I'll be praying for you while you make merry with the other angels. Night to you. I think I will curl up with a good TC Book as I braved the cold and went to the library. See ya, as always fun posting with ya Danagher. :cool:

[browneyes106]

Here's what I don't get: If Caylee's father is dead, why hasn't Casey tried to get his social security or money from his estate? (I don't think she's the type to honor an agreement when money is at stake). Why haven't the police demanded to know his identity to interview the family in case they found out about Caylee and decided to pay the nanny to give her to them? (I mean, just in case way back when it might have been possible). If its all a lie and he's alive, how come he was never a person of interest, at least for elimination? And why hasn't Casey nailed on him for child support? Anyone who would embezzle from her friend would surely bust on a guy or his estate/his parents for money. How come her defense hasn't said, hey maybe its the biodad's family that bankrolled the kidnapping...:shrug:

all moo ?s

The police have investigated Caylee's paternity. But Casey told people different versions about Caylee's paternity . She told one friend that Caylee's dad was in military and had died. She told Mark Hawkins the Marine that the father was a security guard at Universal Studios and that he died. The police have looked into Jesus Ortiz. Jesus and Casey attended the same high school and he was a year younger than her. He died in May 2007. There is proof that they knew each other. There is a document online that shows myspace comments that were deleted and Casey left a comment on another friends page about how hard it was losing Jesus. There was a comment left on Jesus's myspace page after his death that was signed by Casey and Caylee. It was a condolence message. The comment has been deleted and there are no documents of it. Jesus has never confirmed as the father. I read somewhere that Cindy's early interview that she claims a man named Eric Baker was Caylee's father and that he was already married by to another woman by the time Caylee was born. Lee once told the media that the father was dead but he never knew Caylee existed. There are different versions and stories about Caylee's father many believed that Mark Hawkins or JP Chatt is the father. I think Casey really doesn't know because if there was truth to what she was saying she would proved Caylee's paternity a long time ago to get social security for Caylee.

[applesandorange]

See you in the mornin around 6am. :-) Don't get arrested for writing under the influence of hagnog! Looking forward to my coffee with your posts.

Night!
:seeya:

:rose: Goodnight Caylee baby. I know you're rollin round heaven, where nothing hurts you anymore. I'll be praying for you while you make merry with the other angels.


Okay lady where are you lol? I got up super early to see if the kids' school is delayed but it's not so I may as well stay up and wait till 7 to get them up. I jumped on here hoping to hear from you before I gotta get busy for the day. I have my coffee. Where are you?

[FDInLaw]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24whqxd.jpg
George Anthony is overcome
with emotion as he sits inside his car today.
(Red Huber, Orlando Sentinel)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/ Prayers for this family. . . not only have they lost a beautiful Granddaughter, but it was at the hand of their own daughter. This all must be a living hell of which there is no relief. My hope is that, as reality hits, they will choose to stand by Caylee. :rose:


I suspect that Cindy may have known in her heart that Casey did this, but I'm not convinced that Casey told anyone what she did. The Anthony's may have went along with Casey's wild tales just because the truth was to hard to deal with. Hopefully, time will tell.

[TLC]

I don't like the Anthony family but I do feel for them. Who I do NOT feel for is the vultures disguised as 'experts" who are circling the wagons. I am sorry, but pro bono my a**. they are ALL in it for the publicity and the poor child be damned. I cannot fathom why, even though I understand that everyone deserves the right to be defended and have a fair trial, why these "experts" would risk their reputations to defend this woman. They are supposed to be the top of their fields, when I can only see them as bottom feeders attempting to capitalize on a childs murder. It makes me sad that they search for justice is marred by people who's eye is on the next tv movie of the week. If the justice system is full of people who's only concern is getting their name in the paper and their face on tv, it really DOES make most trials a crap shoot IMO.

[tv]

I don't like the Anthony family but I do feel for them. Who I do NOT feel for is the vultures disguised as 'experts" who are circling the wagons. I am sorry, but pro bono my a**. they are ALL in it for the publicity and the poor child be damned. I cannot fathom why, even though I understand that everyone deserves the right to be defended and have a fair trial, why these "experts" would risk their reputations to defend this woman. They are supposed to be the top of their fields, when I can only see them as bottom feeders attempting to capitalize on a childs murder. It makes me sad that they search for justice is marred by people who's eye is on the next tv movie of the week. If the justice system is full of people who's only concern is getting their name in the paper and their face on tv, it really DOES make most trials a crap shoot IMO.

My feelings exactly about the vultures. There are so many experts out there just as good or better than they are. The only difference is that they haven't bloodsucked their way to the top. Everytime there's a high profile case the same old players come swooping in. It's so predictable that it's right up there with death and taxes.

Good morning, everyone! :)

[RaVeN71806]

This is just my opinion but it is very unusual for victims families to go directly to the crime scene at such a time. They would not be allowed anywhere near the body, would never be allowed to view anything and most people would chose to privately do their viewing or grieving where there are not media tents set up. If they had gone i would be saying and many others they were trying to interfere and trying to make a show in front of the world. Just my opinion. Them staying away and shutting up is one of the first reasonable things they have done in my opinion.

well I've seen many victims family go to the site and I didn't say anything about them running over to the body I just said about going to the site..if that was my child I would be there because of the fact it is my child..I would not be there to start trouble or interfere with the investigation but I would be there..I mean wouldn't they want to know if it really was caylee maybe one thing they can bring over to them for them identify her..I would want to be the person to identify..for the ALL the crap that they pulled imho them doing that would make me have all little more respect for them instead of hearing that they STILL believe that the this invisible nanny kidnapped caylee and shes out there somewhere..where in there hearts they know there daughter killed her from the start but still continue to stand up for her and believe this nanny crap...jmo

[joekuhl79]

Well Jessie Grund said this as well, that he thought he heard Caylee in the background but backed off it. I wonder if Casey was trying to play a little game by saying," Caylee be quiet mommy is on the phone to get people to believe she had the child with her. If the tv was on in the background maybe she innocently thought she heard a voice. Also of course in the long run it does not make sense that she would be with Casey on the 9th of July when Zenaida took her on the June 16th, right? Casey has made several goofs on this , she placed Caylee with her when Zanny had her wreck around the 20 something of June and Caylee was in one of the cars. How did Cindy and George not ask her I thought you said you had not seen her since the 16th of June, when you dropped her off. Of course the liar would say she rekidnapped her again after that . Okay now I am being facetious. LOL. I made some cookies anybody want me to email one? Does it go good with haterade? LOL. The dogs both got to have one.

Wow...excellent point! The thing about her 'talking' to Caylee while on the phone...and the hospital farce...both of which occurred AFTER Caylee was 'kidnapped'...

She is done for!!

[joekuhl79]

Perhaps I'm just thick as a redwood tree stump but why would G&A NEED immunity if they "have nothing to hide". And doesn't their attorney stating that NEW interviews will NOT have conflicting statements ADMIT that they lied in previous interviews? Why can LE not go after them for false statements now? I am with a previous poster on this....I think my head may explode also if they are molly coddled all through this mucking steaming pile of lies THEY helped create and supported.

Someone with good smarts help me out on this one.

My opinion on G&C and immunity:

I really do believe that they were not purposely trying to mislead or lie to LE, or hamper any investigation. I think they were desperately putting on the best face they could in a fog of denial (for Cindy...a fog of p-whipping for George)..

I would imagine the immunity thing is their attorneys idea, as in: "If this is Caylee, you need to back off the mistruths and tell LE the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, no matter what. We'll ask for immunity for any previous 'misunderstandings'..."

[Its just me]

I have no question that George and Cindy both knew when they got the car that the "death" smell in the car was a result of something happening to Caylee. They just can't spin their way out of what was said about the odor in the beginning. According to Amy who Cindy called and picked up at a mall after she found Amy's contact information in the car (IIRC)
According to Amy Cindy was upset and really worried about Caylee and to put it mildly by what Amy said in her LE interview Cindy was mad with Casey.
When George and Cindy first got the car...I believe they were some up set people by what was in the LE investigation reports I read. I'm thinking it was when they got home George reported that Cindy asked him something like, George it is the pizza and I believe George told her yeah right it's the pizza. I believe she was grasping for hope but knew deep down it most likely was Caylee.
At some point George called LE wanting to talk with them. He went in and told them he understood what they were doing and that they had to do their job etc etc…it appeared his main purpose to see LE was to ask them if this lead to Caylee to let him know and be the first to tell Cindy because she would flip out.
When things settled some I believe Cindy went to supporting Casey and George supported Cindy. Maybe Cindy had a problem dealing with all this but I am convinced that George has known since he picked up the car that Caylee was dead and Casey was responsible. Cindy also knew but I'm just not sure how mentally stable she is. LOL I know she appears to be mean.
I've started reading the documents of the interviews done by LE. I've read several done on the people Casey hung around with. I'm going to start all over and make notes because I can't remember who said what or what date something happened.
Just in reading these few interviews it's just so clear that Casey is up to her eyeballs in Caylee's death. But you guys know that.
I'll share my notes when and if I get that done. Several things stood out with one being...Crazy Casey told her friend Amy ?? about the smell in her car...IIRC she spoke about the smell a couple of times...The big mistake Casey made was she told her friend that her "dad" had ran over a squirrel and this was talked about when Cindy picked up Amy from the mall. It was news to Cindy. I know it was discussed by LE and I'm thinking Amy told LE she did not tell Cindy Casey said it was George who ran over the squirrel.
In one interview it said Caylee's car seat was in the car and Caylee's favorite doll was in the car seat. Who ever was being interviewed (maybe Casey's neighbor friend who
also is a single mom) said Caylee took the doll everywhere...kind of like Caylee had to have her baby doll at all times.
It also was said that July 3 or 4th Casey was out with her friends and Lee called. Casey got upset and left...Casey told the person being interviewed that Lee was coming to the club (don't remember the name of the place they were partying) The way I took it Lee was coming to make her go home. ??
Possibly Amy reported about the No Clothes Party they all attended. :eek: I believe in the Pictures it shows Casey wrapped in a flag. Any how a Brandon was at this party and when Casey saw him she started crying and became really emotional and had to leave for a while…maybe an hour and half. ?? Do anyone know what that was all about. Brandon is a new one for me.
Sorry if you guys have already torn all this apart...I'm just beginning to get into these kinds of details. One last thing...more than one of the interviewed said the week including June 16…forward Casey kind of fell off the earth for a few days. Interesting. fep

I forgot to add the funny one...at some point the nanny's name was Zenita. Not sure which friend said that but possible the neighbor friend...who didn't hang with Casey. Also bear in mind all this is memory stuff...so don't hold me to it being 100%..especially the names.

[joekuhl79]

Here's what I don't get: If Caylee's father is dead, why hasn't Casey tried to get his social security or money from his estate? (I don't think she's the type to honor an agreement when money is at stake). Why haven't the police demanded to know his identity to interview the family in case they found out about Caylee and decided to pay the nanny to give her to them? (I mean, just in case way back when it might have been possible). If its all a lie and he's alive, how come he was never a person of interest, at least for elimination? And why hasn't Casey nailed on him for child support? Anyone who would embezzle from her friend would surely bust on a guy or his estate/his parents for money. How come her defense hasn't said, hey maybe its the biodad's family that bankrolled the kidnapping...:shrug:

all moo ?s

This was mentioned a while back. IF Liar even knew who the father was, and he died, her MO would be to go after that Social Security. Period.

So this story that Caylees dad died in an accident (on his way to her birthday party or not) is just not true. No way.

So either the father is truly just some dude she banged while she was wasted and has no clue what he even looked like, or the father is someone...'inappropriate'?

[deputydi]

It occurred to me that they are keeping her in solitary, not because the other prisoners will hurt her, but because she will talk to them. She's very friendly and not too experienced with that kind of community. She just might spill for attention. Most inmates are cunning, looking for a way to get out early by turning state's. They might set her up by comparing crimes. They get her trust, that idiot brags, and detail for detail gets her hung. It's happened before. So they keep her in lock down. I'm becoming more and more sure of it.
Are you kidding me? The defense may want her in solitary for that reason, but, if that's LE's concern, they would want her in the population. The state uses jailhouse snitches for that very reason all the time. It's their job to protect her from the other inmates, but not from talking to them. The defense has absolutely NO say in where she is kept. She's in protective custody because of safety reasons -- none other. IMO.

[joekuhl79]

BS Baez must be feeling like he is drowning. Does he really think fame and fortune will follow in the wake if this train wreck. I mean, really, it did not seem that long ago that he told the public that the truth would come out and would would ALL be saying...wait for it......"We understand now."


Does he not realize that he is among a selct few morons that believes Liar and anything that could have, should have, or would have happened?

I have a gut feeling that G&A have been informed that Liars prints are on that tape or else no attorney or even a dog muzzle would keep her mouth shut otherwise.

RE: "We understand now."?

"BS": "Well, she killed her child and then she had to lie about it, or she'd go to jail. And she didn't want to go to jail. She wanted to party. See? I told you you'd understand!"

[FDInLaw]

My opinion on G&C and immunity:

I really do believe that they were not purposely trying to mislead or lie to LE, or hamper any investigation. I think they were desperately putting on the best face they could in a fog of denial (for Cindy...a fog of p-whipping for George)..

I would imagine the immunity thing is their attorneys idea, as in: "If this is Caylee, you need to back off the mistruths and tell LE the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, no matter what. We'll ask for immunity for any previous 'misunderstandings'..."
IMO the first phone call to police was telling. In that call a frantic Cindy was willing to go to police when she suspected foul play. Any narcissist knows that the best way to control someone is to tell them what they want to hear. I believe this is exactly what Casey did. . . mom, she's alive, etc. Now, the lie is known and the full force of the truth is hitting home hard. I don't have any affection for this family, it's dynamics or behavior, but they do have my sympathies. What a horrible, public mess they have gotten themselves into. And what an infinite shame that this involved the loss of a beautiful, innocent little girl. I just cant fathom how anyone could do this to a child. :(

[Its just me]

IMO the first phone call to police was telling. In that call a frantic Cindy was willing to go to police when she suspected foul play. Any narcissist knows that the best way to control someone is to tell them what they want to hear. I believe this is exactly what Casey did. . . mom, she's alive, etc. Now, the lie is known and the full force of the truth is hitting home hard. I don't have any affection for this family, it's dynamics or behavior, but they do have my sympathies. What a horrible, public mess they have gotten themselves into. And what an infinite shame that this involved the loss of a beautiful, innocent little girl. I just cant fathom how anyone could do this to a child. :(

I totally agree. Well said.

I'm not as close to this case as some of you guys but I can understand feelings toward the A's. I have lived the Tara Grinstead case for over 3 years. Tara case had similar problems with untruths and media fluzzies within the family members and I've been guilty lots of times of saying what I though about it and very little was in the form of compassion. We may never know what happened to Tara but the actions of some of her family members have destroyed their reputation with many. Family in both cases would be much better off if they had remained silent and out of the limelight. mhoo fep

[TheSkwerl]

This was mentioned a while back. IF Liar even knew who the father was, and he died, her MO would be to go after that Social Security. Period.

So this story that Caylees dad died in an accident (on his way to her birthday party or not) is just not true. No way.

So either the father is truly just some dude she banged while she was wasted and has no clue what he even looked like, or the father is someone...'inappropriate'?



I don't think that Casey knows who the father of Caylee is. I agree with you on the last point.

[deputydi]

I don't think that Casey knows who the father of Caylee is. I agree with you on the last point.
There are so many twists and turns in this case that I doubt anything will surprise me. I agree with you and joe -- Casey has no idea who the father is. I feel so sorry for Jesse Grund. He believed he was Caylee's father and only found out he wasn't after he and his family had grown to love this child. Those DNA results had to be devastating for him.

[One2Snoop]

Exclusive: Pastor Talks About Anthony Visit

More Bones Found At Crime Scene

POSTED: 6:09 am EST December 17, 2008
UPDATED: 6:29 am EST December 17, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- As the search near the Anthony home intensifies, one man who just visited Casey Anthony in jail talked to WESH-TV.
Related Content: Video | Special Section
Authorities began searching a wooded area near the family home after a utility employee found a bag containing a young girl's skull and remains four months after Caylee Anthony was reported missing.

Her mother, Casey Anthony, had been jailed on a first-degree murder charge.
The Rev. Shane Stutzman has been meeting with Casey Anthony since she was first arrested in July to provide support and prayer.
The Eastside Baptist Church pastor told WESH-TV that the jail requested that he visit Casey Anthony on Tuesday.
It was the first day that she had been taken off special psychological evaluation after jail officials said she suffered a meltdown on the day that the child's remains were discovered.
Stutzman was asked if he talked about the recent finding.
"We didn't go into that a whole lot. That's not my role. That's Jose Baez's role," Stutzman said. "This whole thing is unwinding a little bit at a time. I know, as a pastor, I'm going to be there to help them no matter what."
Stutzman said Casey Anthony remains hopeful despite the murder charge and word on Tuesday that investigators found even more bones at the crime scene.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18296926/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I hate it when the media teases us :punch:

Items In Anthony Home Linked To Evidence In Woods
Casey Anthony Remains Jailed On Murder Charges
POSTED: Wednesday, December 17, 2008
UPDATED: 11:49 am EST December 17, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. --

Items siezed from the home of Casey Anthony's parents by investigators serving a search warrant last week has been linked to evidence that was discovered in a wooded area where a child's skull and remains were found, Local 6 News reported.
Casey Anthony, 22, was charged in October with killing daughter Caylee, who was reported missing in mid-July. The remains have not been positively identified, but recent comments from attorneys and authorities indicate they believe the body is likely Caylee's.
It is not known what the linked items taken from the home are.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18296816/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Parents ask, Where's Caylee?

Liar responds, "I don't know"

Parents ask, Who has Caylee?

Liar responds, "Zanny"

Parents say, "Let's go get her"

Liar responds nonsense.

What's the question danagher? The Lie bus just went off a cliff...

She did it. So why are they making this case so complicated, I know, I know they have to show proof.

I can't take it.

Passing around my bottle of chill pills...

http://i40.tinypic.com/2vb55w5.jpg

[One2Snoop]

Authorities Expand Crime Scene
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:27:14 AM

ORLANDO -- Investigators have wrapped up another day at a crime scene near the Anthony home where human remains were found Dec. 11.

Authorities were tight-lipped Tuesday night about exactly what they've found, but said they have expanded the crime scene to half an acre. It’s an area they feel could hold answers.

Get Up-To-The-Minute Updates On The Remans Discovery
Meanwhile, they are now retracting what a member of their legal team stated earlier in court, calling the testimony of "the remains being that of a little girl" a misstatement.

"At this point, we still do not have definitive identification of the skull or a remains of the child. That has still not been determined," said Capt. Angelo Nieves from the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.

Authorities said at the very earliest, they'll conclude their search Wednesday, but added it could be days before they turn the area back to the owner of the property.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/16/is_it_caylee.html

[javahog]

Authorities Expand Crime Scene
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:27:14 AM

ORLANDO -- Investigators have wrapped up another day at a crime scene near the Anthony home where human remains were found Dec. 11.

Authorities were tight-lipped Tuesday night about exactly what they've found, but said they have expanded the crime scene to half an acre. It’s an area they feel could hold answers.

Get Up-To-The-Minute Updates On The Remans Discovery
Meanwhile, they are now retracting what a member of their legal team stated earlier in court, calling the testimony of "the remains being that of a little girl" a misstatement.

"At this point, we still do not have definitive identification of the skull or a remains of the child. That has still not been determined," said Capt. Angelo Nieves from the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.

Authorities said at the very earliest, they'll conclude their search Wednesday, but added it could be days before they turn the area back to the owner of the property.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/16/is_it_caylee.html

And who wouldn't just love to be the owner of that property?

Hmmn, I wonder if the property owner has to let the defense team onto their land, or if they only have to let LE there? Not that there will be anything left for the defense to see after the strip mining is done :)

[javahog]

Just as a sad aside, they will never get all of the skeleton. There will always be bits scattered in that area. In a 2/3 year old, there are so many bones that are smaller than 1/4 inch...and the reports are saying they've found "dozens" of bones, a far cry from the 300+ that should be there....

[One2Snoop]

Police: Clues Keep Coming to Suggest Dead Child Is Caylee Anthony, Stretching Search
Wednesday, December 17, 2008

Homicide investigators' search of the Caylee Anthony crime scene will stretch at least until Thursday because they keep finding new evidence pointing to the missing child, police told FOXNews.com.

Authorities had hoped to wrap up the process sooner.

The girl vanished in mid-June when she was 2, and until the skull and bones of a small child were found last week near her family's home, detectives had little to go on in the way of possible forensic evidence.

Since the discovery by a meter reader, police are finding a collection of clues every day in the privately-owned wooded lot near Orlando, said Carlos Padilla, a spokesman with the Orange County Sheriff's Office.


"We can't specify what they are, but we continue to find evidence that's significant to the case," Padilla told FOXNews.com. "We're going to be here at least until Thursday."

The girl's mother, 22-year-old Casey Anthony, was charged in October with first-degree murder and other offenses in Caylee's presumed death.

During a hearing held a day earlier, an attorney for the sheriff's office called the bones found last week and over the weekend that of a little girl. Padilla said Caylee is on everyone's mind, but insisted coroners performing the identification and autopsy haven't offered any other answers.

"We have not been told that the remains are of a little girl," he said. "She has not been identified. We are all assuming that it's Caylee Marie. We're all thinking of little Caylee. But again, that's not definitive."

The hair attached to the skull has been rumored to be long and light brown like the missing child's, and the size and appearance of the skeletal remains also suggest a match.

Orange County Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia — who has her own Discovery Channel TV show — will likely be finished identifying the bones before Christmas.

"Dr. G.," as she is known, has had the child's remains for five days. Orange County Sheriff's Capt. Angelo Nieves estimated it would be another three to 10 before investigators could determine for certain that they are Caylee's.

"Based on the fact that we have no other individuals missing in that area that are a child, none of that is lost on the investigation," Nieves told FOXNews.com Tuesday.

The judge in the case said he'd reconsider the defense's wish for a second autopsy at a later time — if the remains are positively identified as belonging to the missing child.

"All I said last time is that I'd consider the request, but I'm not going to do it today," said Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland at Tuesday's emergency hearing.

He rejected arguments by Anthony's attorneys that they should have unfettered access to evidence collected at the crime scene, including photos, sketches, video and voice recordings.

"I can't assist you in interfering with a murder investigation," Strickland said. Having the defense inspect evidence is "not a requirement by law," he added.

Anthony is being held without bond in jail, where she was removed Tuesday for psychological observation. She is in a cell by herself and has no contact with other inmates, according to an Orange County Jail spokesman.

The defense is backing Anthony's claim that her then 2-year-old daughter was kidnapped by a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez, whom police say is made up.

Caylee was last seen June 16, less than two months before she turned 3. Casey Anthony waited a month to report her daughter missing. She maintains she dropped her little girl off with Gonzalez and another woman in an apartment complex parking lot and saw them drive away together.

Police have called her story and nearly everything else she has told them about the disappearance "fiction."

The evidence has all turned up less than a half-mile from the home the young child shared with her mother and grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, who said through their lawyer that they are "devastated" about the findings. They asked for privacy until the remains are identified.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468564,00.html

[One2Snoop]

I wonder if by chance investigators found Casey's lost cell phone amongst their findings? :eek:

O/T - I just posted an update in the Stacy Peterson discussion forum - Drew Peterson is engaged to a 23 year old stupid bimbo. :punch:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9146595#post9146595

[One2Snoop]

WOuld you happen to have a bottle of fukitall?


I have to go to work,, shhhh.. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok - that was crude of me - :punch:
deleting the pic

[browneyes106]

Imagine?!?! If I lived on that street or anywhere near it, I'd move. This area is going to be known as the neighborhood where Caylee Anthony was murdered. Talk about property depreciation.. awful!
So many things were affected by the Anthony's going public, even the price of homes people work so hard for. Dammit. Nice hit Casey! You've ruined more people's lives than a unibomber.

Alright, I'm going to work now.. bye.. Nice ya come around now snoop, after we waited all morning for ya. :seeya:

Yep that will happen. It has happened before in other cases. I'm pretty sure the neighbors and the surroundings are probably freaked out by what happened in their neighborhood. I think it was mentioned on NG that the land was going to be developed for houses. I don't think that will happen the land is stigmatized.

[TheSkwerl]

They don't want her with the general populous probably because she'd get shanked. Be it whatever reason the other inmates are in for, they really don't take kindly to child killers/abusers/molesters. After she is sentenced, yea, I'd love to have her with in with the general populous.

[javahog]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about KC choosing a hispanic name because of Cindy's alleged antipathy toward hispanic friends of hers, but I think it makes more sense that the claim will be that the "real" Zenaida is undocumented, so "of course" they can't find her. I wonder if she got the idea of a kidnapping from the stories that were on last year about the rash of kidnappings for ransom in Mexico...

moo, imo, etc...

[browneyes106]

browneyes, that's incredible!!!! I know how dangerous liars can be. This is a good indication that she can lie like rain drops on a still lake. Method to her madness is to confuse people so much, they get off it. I've known such people. Also, this tells us that she is never going to tell the truth about what happened to that beautiful baby. Never! How can the trial be held early? The prosecution team is going to have to sort out her lies which may take longer than it would to find a needle in a thousand haystacks.

Your post is a keeper.

I agree Casey tried to spin different stories to confuse people about Caylee's paternity. The truth about Caylee's father will probably never come out. If Jesus or Eric was Caylee's dad we can find comfort that Caylee is with her daddy. But if her father is alive somewhere I do feel sorry for him because he never had Caylee in his life.

[javahog]

I wonder if by chance investigators found Casey's lost cell phone amongst their findings? :eek:

O/T - I just posted an update in the Stacy Peterson discussion forum - Drew Peterson is engaged to a 23 year old stupid bimbo. :punch:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9146595#post9146595

Dare to dream. I hope there's something undeniable in there.

and o/t, I hope someone explained to her that there are far more attractive ways to commit suicide than that Cowardly Lion look-like...
imo.

[deputydi]

IMO the first phone call to police was telling. In that call a frantic Cindy was willing to go to police when she suspected foul play. Any narcissist knows that the best way to control someone is to tell them what they want to hear. I believe this is exactly what Casey did. . . mom, she's alive, etc. Now, the lie is known and the full force of the truth is hitting home hard. I don't have any affection for this family, it's dynamics or behavior, but they do have my sympathies. What a horrible, public mess they have gotten themselves into. And what an infinite shame that this involved the loss of a beautiful, innocent little girl. I just cant fathom how anyone could do this to a child. :(
We've all listened to that phone call a thousand times. Can't you just hear the anguish and panic in Cindy's voice? I am glad to read so many posts that are sympathetic for the Anthony's -- I, for one, can't condemn her for desperately wanting to believe that her daughter did not harm Caylee. We can all stand back and look at all this with some degree of objectivity -- Cindy cannot. Not yet anyway. I think partial reality is finally setting in. She is beginning to accept the fact that these remains are probably Caylee. IMO she's not ready to take the next step, but it will come. When it does it's going to hit Cindy and George like an atom bomb.

BTW -- I don't see it as a "public mess they have gotten themselves into". It's a public mess their daughter has gotten them into. It is an absolute tragedy that a beautiful little girl was involved.

[javahog]

They don't want her with the general populous probably because she'd get shanked. Be it whatever reason the other inmates are in for, they really don't take kindly to child killers/abusers/molesters. After she is sentenced, yea, I'd love to have her with in with the general populous.

Why shank someone when you can refer her to an attorney like Jose Baez:chicken: ?

moo

[mu8shark]

My opinion on G&C and immunity:

I really do believe that they were not purposely trying to mislead or lie to LE, or hamper any investigation. I think they were desperately putting on the best face they could in a fog of denial (for Cindy...a fog of p-whipping for George)..

I would imagine the immunity thing is their attorneys idea, as in: "If this is Caylee, you need to back off the mistruths and tell LE the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, no matter what. We'll ask for immunity for any previous 'misunderstandings'..." I completely agree it is the lawyers idea and maybe there is something that might be a little iffy and the lawyer is doing his job by seeking immunity. When I saw there might be something a little iffy I don't mean something huge like hiding the body or hearing her confess, maybe just a detail they altered when they talked to LE because it made things worse for Casey. And so he is going to try and protect them. I was watching this Conway guy on Court tv this afternoon and I think one of the things he has going for him is he seems no nonsense and like he will not buy into the emotions of the Anthonys as far as telling it like it is. I think Nejame did his best but the timing was wrong and he was not quite the guy to handle them. I did find it interesting when Conway said, "the Anthonys only know what Casey told them and they don't necessarily believe that."(paraphrasing) Does this mean they are ready to look at the evidence? I hope so.

[javahog]

We've all listened to that phone call a thousand times. Can't you just hear the anguish and panic in Cindy's voice? I am glad to read so many posts that are sympathetic for the Anthony's -- I, for one, can't condemn her for desperately wanting to believe that her daughter did not harm Caylee. We can all stand back and look at all this with some degree of objectivity -- Cindy cannot. Not yet anyway. I think partial reality is finally setting in. She is beginning to accept the fact that these remains are probably Caylee. IMO she's not ready to take the next step, but it will come. When it does it's going to hit Cindy and George like an atom bomb.

BTW -- I don't see it as a "public mess they have gotten themselves into". It's a public mess their daughter has gotten them into. It is an absolute tragedy that a beautiful little girl was involved.

It was real simple: if Cindy acknowledged that Casey was lying, that meant her grand-daughter was dead and she raised a baby-killer. It was better to deny it all to herself since that kept Caylee "alive". I think if she obstructed, it was to prevent LE from going down the wrong path and distracting them from the "alive" Caylee search. DNA was only needed for a "dead" Caylee. I think George has always known, but he went along with Cindy to hold her together... I feel sorry for them both. At least unless they keep it up after the id of the body. all opinions here...

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24whqxd.jpg
George Anthony is overcome
with emotion as he sits inside his car today.
(Red Huber, Orlando Sentinel)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/

Not sure what to think of George's being overcome with emotion. At least not yet; let's see if G&C's new statements will honor Caylee. Let's see if they tell the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth.

[mu8shark]

We've all listened to that phone call a thousand times. Can't you just hear the anguish and panic in Cindy's voice? I am glad to read so many posts that are sympathetic for the Anthony's -- I, for one, can't condemn her for desperately wanting to believe that her daughter did not harm Caylee. We can all stand back and look at all this with some degree of objectivity -- Cindy cannot. Not yet anyway. I think partial reality is finally setting in. She is beginning to accept the fact that these remains are probably Caylee. IMO she's not ready to take the next step, but it will come. When it does it's going to hit Cindy and George like an atom bomb.

BTW -- I don't see it as a "public mess they have gotten themselves into". It's a public mess their daughter has gotten them into. It is an absolute tragedy that a beautiful little girl was involved. Well I have to be honest while I sure don't blame them for what Casey did, their public stance has gotten them into a jam, so much so that Cindy's credibility on the stand will be mush. She has told some outright lies which I have detailed before. While I do have sympathy for them I am kind of waiting to see what comes next. Are they going to come out after they identification and push this Zanny story again? Hopefully they will try to look at the evidence and the truth and not try to play to a jury pool with this Zanny thing. For what the lawyer says about no more conflicting statements maybe they are ready to go forward . It would have served them much better to not do the talk show circuit and try to get Casey off in the court of public opinion. And it would have been better in the long run for Cindy not to lie and give them the wrong hairbrush. It would have been better if they said they support their daughter and left it at that, but I don't think they are those people, especially Cindy. I do have more sympathy for George because he did at least at some points try to tell the truth . I know I sound judgemental but I am being honest about my opinion. .

[One2Snoop]

FBI analyze tooth and hair found at crime scene....

http://www.wesh.com/video/18299501/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I couldn't get over Nancy Grace last night as she was so dramatically announcing that G&C's attorney are requesting immunity. She seemed appalled that they may have lied to authorities, and then turned right around and made excuses for them as grieving family members, like that excuses their behavior.

>>”They have cooperated. They have done nothing,” Conway said.

>>Conway admits the Anthonys have made conflicting statements in the past. They will be re-interviewed by investigators. He said, for the next interview they give to authorities, there will not be any conflicting statements.

Talk about conflicting statements.

[mu8shark]

I wonder if by chance investigators found Casey's lost cell phone amongst their findings? :eek:

O/T - I just posted an update in the Stacy Peterson discussion forum - Drew Peterson is engaged to a 23 year old stupid bimbo. :punch:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9146595#post9146595 Wonder how long she will be around?

[mu8shark]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about KC choosing a hispanic name because of Cindy's alleged antipathy toward hispanic friends of hers, but I think it makes more sense that the claim will be that the "real" Zenaida is undocumented, so "of course" they can't find her. I wonder if she got the idea of a kidnapping from the stories that were on last year about the rash of kidnappings for ransom in Mexico...

moo, imo, etc... A lot of illegals use fake names and social secuirty numbers. It would be oh so convenient for Casey to say 'Well maybe that is not her real name '

[One2Snoop]

Remains Discovery: Up-To-The-Minute Updates
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:25:59 PM

ORLANDO -- The remains of a small child were discovered early Thursday morning by a worker for the Orange County Water Department. News 13 is following this story closely with constant updates.

Up-To-The-Minute Update

Wednesday, Dec. 17

1:00 p.m.
Assistant State Attorney visits crime scene. Investigators said they found additional evidence Wednesday morning at the crime scene.

12:00 p.m.
Onlookers are starting to gather at the search site. Officials said the search would continue to work through at least Thursday.

7:00 a.m.
Investigators return to the crime scene to search for more clues in the area.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/12/minutetominute_update_in_remains_discovery_12_11.h tml

[mu8shark]

Are you kidding me? The defense may want her in solitary for that reason, but, if that's LE's concern, they would want her in the population. The state uses jailhouse snitches for that very reason all the time. It's their job to protect her from the other inmates, but not from talking to them. The defense has absolutely NO say in where she is kept. She's in protective custody because of safety reasons -- none other. IMO. I agree. LE would love it if she talked so this is never their concern. She is in solitary for her protection. I am sure her lawyer is glad she is in solitary but he could not have requested that you are right on!

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm very curious about all the service calls made to the Ants' home before Caylee was reported missing:

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f09.15.08_call s4svcUPDATE.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

Looks like things were mostly quiet during the time that G&C were involved in their family court case. If this is all about George's supposed affair, is safe to assume that he had moved out of the house? (And speaking of that, it's interesting to me that George was the plaintiff in that court case, not Cindy.) I have no idea what some of the abbreviations stand for. I guess the incident on 6/24/08 was the gasoline cans missing from the shed.

Anyone?

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree. LE would love it if she talked so this is never their concern. She is in solitary for her protection. I am sure her lawyer is glad she is in solitary but he could not have requested that you are right on!

Having Casey in solitary dramatically reduces the liability of the OCSO.

[mu8shark]

I'm very curious about all the service calls made to the Ants' home before Caylee was reported missing:

http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f09.15.08_call s4svcUPDATE.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

Looks like things were mostly quiet during the time that G&C were involved in their family court case. If this is all about George's supposed affair, is safe to assume that he had moved out of the house? (And speaking of that, it's interesting to me that George was the plaintiff in that court case, not Cindy.) I have no idea what some of the abbreviations stand for. I guess the incident on 6/24/08 was the gasoline cans missing from the shed.

Anyone?
Okay I think I can help with one of those dates maybe two. The rescue in 2004 is probably when George thought he had a stroke. He is asked in an interview if he had a stroke recently and he said no not recently but a few years back he thought he had a stroke and was in the hospital. The Stove one I am just guessing might be a small fire?? On the stove?? When we lived at our old house a small grease fire broke out and fire and police came. Just guesses.

[One2Snoop]

Did you see the 2 verbal contacts back in '05?

051111891 04/21/2005 2 VERBAL 320A NR SO 4937
HOPESPRING DR
051111968 04/21/2005 2 VERBAL

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay I think I can help with one of those dates maybe two. The rescue in 2004 is probably when George thought he had a stroke. He is asked in an interview if he had a stroke recently and he said no not recently but a few years back he thought he had a stroke and was in the hospital. The Stove one I am just guessing might be a small fire?? On the stove?? When we lived at our old house a small grease fire broke out and fire and police came. Just guesses.

Thanks mu8, our SO is far too busy to attend to business outside of law enforcement, so I was completely confuzzled. Maybe those are county dispatch calls period, not just an actual officer or deputy, but including EMS and the fire department.

[samanthajane13]

"The man who killed Adam Walsh had an IQ of 70. He was insane."

Actually, having a low IQ doesn't make him INSANE-it just means that he doesn't have the capacity-by virtue of his IQ-to be able to distinguish right from wrong. He probably wasn't able to handle his own finances, and caring for his own need and such very well, either.

He was "SLOW".

"I listened to Casey speaking and thought she was very articulate. (Though I read somewhere that she was not very educated.) Hmmm, pretty smart cookie eh?"

Just because the Skank wasn't "well-educated"-ie. book-smarts, doesn't mean she didn't pick up her share of STREET SMARTS.

Hate to say this, but not only is Casey "average/normal" intellectually-if not a MENSA member-but she's ALSO NOT INSANE. She has a BEHAVIOR DISORDER. Like ADHD or oppositional\defiance disorder. She's messed up-NOT NUTS!!!

She's just relied on her wits and the fact that she can swish her azz and bat her eyes, and everyone will fall all over her to help her.

Just because she ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer doesn't mean she's STUPID...she figured out how to keep everyone chasing their tails for all this time, didn't she???

[deacon]

I wonder if by chance investigators found Casey's lost cell phone amongst their findings? :eek:

O/T - I just posted an update in the Stacy Peterson discussion forum - Drew Peterson is engaged to a 23 year old stupid bimbo. :punch:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9146595#post9146595

On the first one, I doubt it. I guess zanny still has it.

On the second one, WTheck? She must either be dumb as dirt or have an awful case of low self esteem.

I hear that casey's new lawyers are almost conceeding that this is Caylee. Now they can start on the Bull Stuff that zanny killed her and dumped her there to implicate casey. Only problem is, if they have duct tape and they took a partial roll from the a's house they can and will be matched. The glue is never exactly the same on them from roll to roll and there may just be finger prints in the glue. That would be impossible to refute.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did you see the 2 verbal contacts back in '05?

051111891 04/21/2005 2 VERBAL 320A NR SO 4937
HOPESPRING DR
051111968 04/21/2005 2 VERBAL

Yes, is that verbal contact? Verbal disturbance? Are the two following disturbances?

[Mac]

Not sure what to think of George's being overcome with emotion. At least not yet; let's see if G&C's new statements will honor Caylee. Let's see if they tell the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth.



That picture got to me......it's amazing to methe pain one man can handle. Whether he was part of the cover-up or not...

By the way what happened to all the Threads?

[samanthajane13]

"Only problem is, if they have duct tape and they took a partial roll from the a's house they can and will be matched. The glue is never exactly the same on them from roll to roll and there may just be finger prints in the glue. That would be impossible to refute."

Also-IF I'm correct, the "weave" of the fibers in the duct tape vary from brand to brand and even roll to roll.

[One2Snoop]

Tuesday, December 16, 2008
Who is the Real Zanny the Nanny?

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/

Statement Analysis
by Mark McClish

Caylee Anthony's Disappearance
August 22, 2008

http://www.statementanalysis.com/caylee/

[One2Snoop]

That picture got to me......it's amazing to methe pain one man can handle. Whether he was part of the cover-up or not...

By the way what happened to all the Threads?

They're all still there.

[Gatordog]

Hi folks, this is the first i've been on in a few days. Haven't been able to see much news - I was in the ER all day yesterday and on vycodin today so I'm kind of groggy. Thought it was appendicitis, it's diverticulitis. I haven't been able to cach up on posts yet so sorry if I repeat.

I just had to tell you that on WESH they had a report that a woman who searched that area with TES said there was no bag there and she has photos to prove it.:shrug: Not good. I only hope that the bone trail proves it wasn't there when they searced but was moved by water, animals or wind.

In the Sentinel, it shows a picture of Geoge sitting in his car and crying. I guess Cindy still has false hopes and George can't be honest, again.

[FDInLaw]

Hi folks, this is the first i've been on in a few days. Haven't been able to see much news - I was in the ER all day yesterday and on vycodin today so I'm kind of groggy. Thought it was appendicitis, it's diverticulitis. I haven't been able to cach up on posts yet so sorry if I repeat.

I just had to tell you that on WESH they had a report that a woman who searched that area with TES said there was no bag there and she has photos to prove it.:shrug: Not good. I only hope that the bone trail proves it wasn't there when they searced but was moved by water, animals or wind.

In the Sentinel, it shows a picture of Geoge sitting in his car and crying. I guess Cindy still has false hopes and George can't be honest, again.Welcome back Gator! Sorry to hear that you were in the ER. :(

Question; did you catch when this lady said she searched the area?

[shadydaisy]

Hi folks, this is the first i've been on in a few days. Haven't been able to see much news - I was in the ER all day yesterday and on vycodin today so I'm kind of groggy. Thought it was appendicitis, it's diverticulitis. I haven't been able to cach up on posts yet so sorry if I repeat.

I just had to tell you that on WESH they had a report that a woman who searched that area with TES said there was no bag there and she has photos to prove it.:shrug: Not good. I only hope that the bone trail proves it wasn't there when they searced but was moved by water, animals or wind.

In the Sentinel, it shows a picture of Geoge sitting in his car and crying. I guess Cindy still has false hopes and George can't be honest, again.

This woman said WHAT? I thought the place was underwater; how could she have searched it well? And certainly, if there was enough water, that could have moved the bag, especially as the water receded.

Hope you are feeling better Gator (or at least drugged up adequately)!

[One2Snoop]

I thought TES didn't search that particular area? :confused: At least thats what I recall Tim Miller saying. Surrounding area's yes but not that specific spot was my understanding.

[Gatordog]

WESH reports the FBI has a tooth and some hair they are testing.

The Anthonys are supposed to show up Monday morning to be deposed by John Morgan who is representing Zenaida Gonzales. He says if they don't show up, they will be in contempt of court and he will go after them. He said "These people have kicked the wrong dog."

[FDInLaw]

One woman said off camera Wednesday that she was part of a Texas Equusearch team that scoured this area. She claims to have photographic evidence that proves the remains were not there when they searched. Investigators reviewed the photos and took her statement. http://www.wesh.com/news/18299352/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Welcome back Gator! Sorry to hear that you were in the ER. :(

Question; did you catch when this lady said she searched the area?

She didn't talk on camera but they did show her face. They didn't say when the area was searched but they did search around the school before the storm. They said that she has talked to the police and has given them the photos. Hopefully, they will put it on the website soon.

http://www.wesh.com

[One2Snoop]

I didn't realize TES searched prior to the first one they did in Sept? Tim said 2 searches - one in Sept - when was the other one?

December 11, 2008

GRACE: Joining me right now, also there at the location where the remains were discovered, is Tim Miller. He is the director of Texas Equusearch. He has searched exhaustively for little Caylee. He says the sources -- his sources say this is little Caylee.

Tim, your workers, volunteers, everybody has been in and around this area, but isn`t it true that at the time the search was going down, Hurricane Faye had come through and there was extensive flooding?

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Nancy, if you recall -- and I got a lot of criticism for calling the search off the first time, but we actually lost a four-wheeler back in this same exact area that one of the volunteers was on the four-wheeler and water went totally over it. And the next day is when I called the search off, and it`s the best choice I ever made because if you recall back then, I said, You know what? If this little girl is under the water and a horse steps on her or a four-wheeler goes over or even a person steps on her just thinking it`s some type of debris underneath the water, then we`ve jeopardized any future search efforts.

And then when we came back the second time, this water where she was found -- and I actually went right back to the scene with investigators a couple of hours ago. But this water was still high when we came back the second time. And a neighbor actually said it was about a week-and-a-half ago or two weeks at the most when the water receded enough that you could see anything there.

So this is an area that we tried to search. Weather conditions just would not allow it. And I will never, ever regret calling the search off at that time because we could have done far more damage than good if we had...

GRACE: Tim, I remember that very night -- I remember talking to you about that night on the show, asking you why you pulled out. And you made it very clear that you were so afraid that in all the water -- it was feet deep -- that you were afraid if Caylee`s remains were there, they would be ruined or scattered and would never be found. And boy, were you right, Tim Miller. You never made a better call in your life.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/11/ng.01.html

Hope you feel better soon Gator - :seeya:

[javahog]

WESH reports the FBI has a tooth and some hair they are testing.

The Anthonys are supposed to show up Monday morning to be deposed by John Morgan who is representing Zenaida Gonzales. He says if they don't show up, they will be in contempt of court and he will go after them. He said "These people have kicked the wrong dog."

Nice figure of speech. But then, he is a lawyer. I suspect that if the body is identified before Monday, the Anthony's will qualify for an extension on that deposition.

In any case, since all of the Anthony's say she is not the nanny, that it is someone else, I wonder what her basis for a lawsuit is?

[Gatordog]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about KC choosing a hispanic name because of Cindy's alleged antipathy toward hispanic friends of hers, but I think it makes more sense that the claim will be that the "real" Zenaida is undocumented, so "of course" they can't find her. I wonder if she got the idea of a kidnapping from the stories that were on last year about the rash of kidnappings for ransom in Mexico...

moo, imo, etc...

The Liar has already said that Zenaida was of Puerto Rican desent thru NY. Anyone born in PR is an American and doesn't need documents. Very convenieny that Zenaida was Puerto Rican and the Liar was upset that she couldn't go to PR on vacation with her friends.

[RayStar]

Nice figure of speech. But then, he is a lawyer. I suspect that if the body is identified before Monday, the Anthony's will qualify for an extension on that deposition.

In any case, since all of the Anthony's say she is not the nanny, that it is someone else, I wonder what her basis for a lawsuit is?

I agree. All they should say is this is the wrong woman. imo

[javahog]

The Liar has already said that Zenaida was of Puerto Rican desent thru NY. Anyone born in PR is an American and doesn't need documents. Very convenieny that Zenaida was Puerto Rican and the Liar was upset that she couldn't go to PR on vacation with her friends.

Ahh, I forgot about the PR descent thing. I wonder if KC was smart enough to know that a Puerto Rican would be easier to find than someone who was undocumented? It would have been easier to claim. As for her saying there were other Zenaida G.f.s, I wonder how she would know that, unless she'd met them all. I wonder if she was zabasearching a "usual suspect" or something...

Interesting that Caylee "took" Puerto Rico away from Casey, then a Puerto Rican "took" Caylee away from her... She's not insane, but I think she's darn pathological, imo...

[lorettalockhorn]

Nice figure of speech. But then, he is a lawyer. I suspect that if the body is identified before Monday, the Anthony's will qualify for an extension on that deposition.

In any case, since all of the Anthony's say she is not the nanny, that it is someone else, I wonder what her basis for a lawsuit is?

Of COURSE they say this Zenaida isn't the right Zenaida. But if the right Zenaida IS found, they'll say it's not her either. They can round up every ZG on the face of the earth and the story will morph into her having used an alias.

I'm assuming that the basis for this particular ZG is that she did visit the Sawgrass Apartments and fill out a registration card coupled with the fact that she lost her job over the whole business.

There were searches on her computer for a Zenaida Gonzalez (pages 9,10):

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

[javahog]

Baez' behavior is odd, imo. Fox Orlando is reporting he's still trying to lead his "team" onto the crime scene. Doesn't he realize that this insistence just confirms that he "knows" that body is Caylee's and not, say, Trenton Duckett? And how could he "know"? I have a theory! If this turned out to be the body of some other child, what would he and his crew tramping around the crime scene do to the ability of anyone to prosecute THAT crime? I just don't get what he's thinking...:shrug:

imo.

[One2Snoop]

Of COURSE they say this Zenaida isn't the right Zenaida. But if the right Zenaida IS found, they'll say it's not her either. They can round up every ZG on the face of the earth and the story will morph into her having used an alias.

I'm assuming that the basis for this particular ZG is that she did visit the Sawgrass Apartments and fill out a registration card coupled with the fact that she lost her job over the whole business.

There were searches on her computer for a Zenaida Gonzalez (pages 9,10):

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

When I plugged in Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez via zabasearch (All 50 states)- I got 8 - all in Miami Florida. 7 of them appear to be the same person.

http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=ZENAIDA%20FERNANDEZ%20GONZAL EZ&state=ALL&ref=&se=&doby=&city=&name_style=1&tm=&tmr=

I did a search on Zenaida Gonzalez and got the following...

No Results Match ZENAIDA GONZALEZ

http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=ZENAIDA%20GONZALEZ&state=ALL&ref=&se=&doby=&city=&name_style=1&tm=&tmr=

[javahog]

Of COURSE they say this Zenaida isn't the right Zenaida. But if the right Zenaida IS found, they'll say it's not her either. They can round up every ZG on the face of the earth and the story will morph into her having used an alias.

I'm assuming that the basis for this particular ZG is that she did visit the Sawgrass Apartments and fill out a registration card coupled with the fact that she lost her job over the whole business.

There were searches on her computer for a Zenaida Gonzalez (pages 9,10):

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Thanks for the ref, that makes total sense.

But it sounds like the innocent Zenaida should sue her boss that fired her, since it was without cause, there is no slander (or is it libel, I always mix those 2 up...?) since they (A's) all say, hey, that's not her...I think we all know there is no "right" Zenaida.

all imo.

[One2Snoop]

USA People search gave me over 100 hits for Zenaida Gonzalez..
http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PE

[Spider]

G&C's silence along with Georges emotional breakdown still lead me to believe that LE has given them enough information about the evidence to come to terms with this AND that their own daughter is guilty of the crime. Wouldn't fingerprints give a pretty quick result?

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the ref, that makes total sense.

But it sounds like the innocent Zenaida should sue her boss that fired her, since it was without cause, there is no slander (or is it libel, I always mix those 2 up...?) since they (A's) all say, hey, that's not her...I think we all know there is no "right" Zenaida.

all imo.

She should sue the world if you ask me; Casey for naming her and the sunshine laws of the Sunshine State for allowing her name to be splashed everywhere, and the media for posting the documents, and us for talking about her, and her boss for wishing to God that she could be left alone to do her job, but sheesh, no way that's gonna happen.

WAIT! Casey Anthony is the deep pocket respondent here.

Go for it Zenaida! Sue the hell out of that psycho lying skank who still, even though the writing is on the wall Cannot Understand Normal Thinking. Wish I could be on the jury, hon!

[One2Snoop]

Anthony case prosecutors visit scene where body was found

Last Edited: Wednesday, 17 Dec 2008, 4:27 PM EST
Created: Wednesday, 17 Dec 2008, 4:07 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- On Wednesday prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case visited the scene where a child's remains were found one week ago.

The bones have not be officially identified as Caylee's remains but the visit gives some indication the state knows more about the identity than they are letting on. “They are here to maintain their interest in the case obviously. They want to make sure they are aware first hand of what is going on here at the scene,” said Captain Angelo Nieves from the Orange County Sheriff's Office .

It was expected that crime scene technicians would wrap up their work on Wednesday but more finds, and more being brought it, will have the sheriff's office and the FBI out here at least until tomorrow. “It’s grown to ½ acre to an acre in size through this morning and through this afternoon and they continue to find additional items,” said Nieves.

The scene will then be opened up for everyone to see including Jose Baez and the public.

Cops have concerns about what will happen next because it is an area where people live and kids go to school.

Nieves says deputies will be out at the scene to keep watch at least for a few days.

“Once this scene is released we will maintain proper order," Nieves said. "The Orange County Sheriff’s Office will continue to restore order. We expect everyone to act accordingly.”


Baez lashes out at investigators

On Wednesday Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez released the following statement regarding the crime scene:

“The Casey Anthony Defense Team has made numerous attempts to preserve the evidence in and around the location where the human remains of what appear to be a small child were found.

Law enforcement has been repeatedly asked to allow reasonable access by medical and scientific experts for the defense, including requests for photographs, and assistance with maintaining a secure examination scene prior to any media or general public access.

Every effort by The Baez Law Firm to establish a level of basic cooperation and professional courtesy have all been rejected by the government. This lack of cooperation has complicated how to proceed.

Now that the scene more resembles that of an excavation site as opposed to an examinable crime scene - attorney Jose Baez has been advised that without properly detailed photographs and all related material and documentation, the various experts on the Casey Anthony Defense Team will simply not be able to thoroughly examine the site.

Unfortunately this matter has already become a Media Circus and something The Baez Law Firm will not contribute to, by just making a show of going to the excavation site without good reason. The Casey Anthony Defense Team is being prevented from examining the site unless and until all photographs, schematic sketches and related material and documentation are released to the defense through the discovery process.”

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8093783&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[lorettalockhorn]

USA People search gave me over 100 hits for Zenaida Gonzalez..
http://www.usa-people-search.com/Default.aspx?view=PE

veromi.com has 100 matches for Zenaida Gonzales without a state selected.

18 matches in FL, 5 in NY, and 0 in NC. (Guess Zenaida uses an alias there.)

[mu8shark]

This woman said WHAT? I thought the place was underwater; how could she have searched it well? And certainly, if there was enough water, that could have moved the bag, especially as the water receded.

Hope you are feeling better Gator (or at least drugged up adequately)! Not to doubt what Gator is saying but until I saw the photos and they confirmed when and where they were taken, I would want more proof. It seems weird a searcher would be taking photos of each spot of ground searched and I can't imagine Tim Miller and the woman who helps run TES would lie or not know what they were talking about. Again, not doubting what you saw but we have had a lady who talked to Caylee Marie on the plane and Jose said he had a photo of Caylee with Zanny and really both turned out to be wrong. It could be , but I would wait for proof on that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Anthony case prosecutors visit scene where body was found

Last Edited: Wednesday, 17 Dec 2008, 4:27 PM EST
Created: Wednesday, 17 Dec 2008, 4:07 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- On Wednesday prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case visited the scene where a child's remains were found one week ago.

The bones have not be officially identified as Caylee's remains but the visit gives some indication the state knows more about the identity than they are letting on. “They are here to maintain their interest in the case obviously. They want to make sure they are aware first hand of what is going on here at the scene,” said Captain Angelo Nieves from the Orange County Sheriff's Office .

It was expected that crime scene technicians would wrap up their work on Wednesday but more finds, and more being brought it, will have the sheriff's office and the FBI out here at least until tomorrow. “It’s grown to ½ acre to an acre in size through this morning and through this afternoon and they continue to find additional items,” said Nieves.

The scene will then be opened up for everyone to see including Jose Baez and the public.

Cops have concerns about what will happen next because it is an area where people live and kids go to school.

Nieves says deputies will be out at the scene to keep watch at least for a few days.

“Once this scene is released we will maintain proper order," Nieves said. "The Orange County Sheriff’s Office will continue to restore order. We expect everyone to act accordingly.”


Baez lashes out at investigators

On Wednesday Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez released the following statement regarding the crime scene:

“The Casey Anthony Defense Team has made numerous attempts to preserve the evidence in and around the location where the human remains of what appear to be a small child were found.

Law enforcement has been repeatedly asked to allow reasonable access by medical and scientific experts for the defense, including requests for photographs, and assistance with maintaining a secure examination scene prior to any media or general public access.

Every effort by The Baez Law Firm to establish a level of basic cooperation and professional courtesy have all been rejected by the government. This lack of cooperation has complicated how to proceed.

Now that the scene more resembles that of an excavation site as opposed to an examinable crime scene - attorney Jose Baez has been advised that without properly detailed photographs and all related material and documentation, the various experts on the Casey Anthony Defense Team will simply not be able to thoroughly examine the site.

Unfortunately this matter has already become a Media Circus and something The Baez Law Firm will not contribute to, by just making a show of going to the excavation site without good reason. The Casey Anthony Defense Team is being prevented from examining the site unless and until all photographs, schematic sketches and related material and documentation are released to the defense through the discovery process.”

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8093783&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Why does Jose assume that there won't be proper documentation? His experts are the only experts who know how to detail archeological/forensic artifacts??

& What part of the judge's decision doesn't he understand?

[One2Snoop]

Why does Jose assume that there won't be proper documentation? His experts are the only experts who know how to detail archeological/forensic artifacts??

& What part of the judge's decision doesn't he understand?


I know, I know! :seeya: ALL OF IT!

[lorettalockhorn]

Not to doubt what Gator is saying but until I saw the photos and they confirmed when and where they were taken, I would want more proof. It seems weird a searcher would be taking photos of each spot of ground searched and I can't imagine Tim Miller and the woman who helps run TES would lie or not know what they were talking about. Again, not doubting what you saw but we have had a lady who talked to Caylee Marie on the plane and Jose said he had a photo of Caylee with Zanny and really both turned out to be wrong. It could be , but I would wait for proof on that.

Wouldn't she have turned this information over immediately? Or did she and we're just hearing about it? Cannot beLIEVE that Tim Miller wouldn't have given the information and the photo to LE immediately. Or that he would go so far as to make statements about why the area wasn't searched.

[javahog]

She should sue the world if you ask me; Casey for naming her and the sunshine laws of the Sunshine State for allowing her name to be splashed everywhere, and the media for posting the documents, and us for talking about her, and her boss for wishing to God that she could be left alone to do her job, but sheesh, no way that's gonna happen.

WAIT! Casey Anthony is the deep pocket respondent here.

Go for it Zenaida! Sue the hell out of that psycho lying skank who still, even though the writing is on the wall Cannot Understand Normal Thinking. Wish I could be on the jury, hon!

But then...shouldn't ALL the Zenaida Gonzalezes in the country be suing? It's not like anyone looked at her picture and said Eureka, that's her! In fact the opposite. I'm not talking about the morality of it, just the legality.

[mu8shark]

Anthony case prosecutors visit scene where body was found

Last Edited: Wednesday, 17 Dec 2008, 4:27 PM EST
Created: Wednesday, 17 Dec 2008, 4:07 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- On Wednesday prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case visited the scene where a child's remains were found one week ago.

The bones have not be officially identified as Caylee's remains but the visit gives some indication the state knows more about the identity than they are letting on. “They are here to maintain their interest in the case obviously. They want to make sure they are aware first hand of what is going on here at the scene,” said Captain Angelo Nieves from the Orange County Sheriff's Office .

It was expected that crime scene technicians would wrap up their work on Wednesday but more finds, and more being brought it, will have the sheriff's office and the FBI out here at least until tomorrow. “It’s grown to ½ acre to an acre in size through this morning and through this afternoon and they continue to find additional items,” said Nieves.

The scene will then be opened up for everyone to see including Jose Baez and the public.

Cops have concerns about what will happen next because it is an area where people live and kids go to school.

Nieves says deputies will be out at the scene to keep watch at least for a few days.

“Once this scene is released we will maintain proper order," Nieves said. "The Orange County Sheriff’s Office will continue to restore order. We expect everyone to act accordingly.”


Baez lashes out at investigators

On Wednesday Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez released the following statement regarding the crime scene:

“The Casey Anthony Defense Team has made numerous attempts to preserve the evidence in and around the location where the human remains of what appear to be a small child were found.

Law enforcement has been repeatedly asked to allow reasonable access by medical and scientific experts for the defense, including requests for photographs, and assistance with maintaining a secure examination scene prior to any media or general public access.

Every effort by The Baez Law Firm to establish a level of basic cooperation and professional courtesy have all been rejected by the government. This lack of cooperation has complicated how to proceed.

Now that the scene more resembles that of an excavation site as opposed to an examinable crime scene - attorney Jose Baez has been advised that without properly detailed photographs and all related material and documentation, the various experts on the Casey Anthony Defense Team will simply not be able to thoroughly examine the site.

Unfortunately this matter has already become a Media Circus and something The Baez Law Firm will not contribute to, by just making a show of going to the excavation site without good reason. The Casey Anthony Defense Team is being prevented from examining the site unless and until all photographs, schematic sketches and related material and documentation are released to the defense through the discovery process.”

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8093783&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Now he is just posturing and playing to a crowd, "See LE is doing something unfair and devious. Suspect them of wrongdoing, suspect they have no case and need to plant or move or change things." I have never heard of a defense team being asked to join or interfere with an investigation especially prior to the legal identification of this child. When you can't attack the facts, attack the police and how they collected and tested the evidence. That little song and dance I have seen before.

[One2Snoop]

Wouldn't she have turned this information over immediately? Or did she and we're just hearing about it? Cannot beLIEVE that Tim Miller wouldn't have given the information and the photo to LE immediately. Or that he would go so far as to make statements about why the area wasn't searched.

Probably someone looking for their 15 minutes of fame.

[lorettalockhorn]

I know, I know! :seeya: ALL OF IT!

LOL Now we know why George isn't happy about Baez being Casey's attorney. His baby girl is being defended by a fidiot.

[mu8shark]

But then...shouldn't ALL the Zenaida Gonzalezes in the country be suing? It's not like anyone looked at her picture and said Eureka, that's her! In fact the opposite. I'm not talking about the morality of it, just the legality. The rest of them have no connection to Sawgrass Apartments like this particular one does. Also the children on her card there are the names Casey picked out at one point as her roomates. I think there will be evidence she had some chance encounter with her info at Sawgrass and tried to pin it on her. If I remember correctly the apartment Zenaida looked at the was the vacant one 210 that Casey tried to say she lived at. I think she has a case. Just my opinion

[javahog]

Why does Jose assume that there won't be proper documentation? His experts are the only experts who know how to detail archeological/forensic artifacts??

& What part of the judge's decision doesn't he understand?

He doesn't, he's trying to set up a set up. As for part 2, none of it. imo.

[mu8shark]

Probably someone looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Yeah I think you have to be careful because there are a few Casey sympathesizers and what better way to cast doubt on the Casey did it story? It just strikes me as odd as I said that you take photos of different parts of ground you searched, why? To show you looked under this tree or that tree? It just seems weird and I think Tim knows exactly what areas they had to leave. I am suspicious of this till I see proof. Lots of people saw Laci Peterson in the Park when we know she was dead. Remember the lady who took her break and definitely saw her, knows it was her.

[Spider]

Maybe Jose will end up being disbarred over his antics. Doubtful of course, but he is an embarrasment to attorneys everywhere. Not that he is the only one but he sure is enjoying his day in the sun that's for sure.

I just have a funny feeling that due to G&C's silence and George's breakdown in the car, that LE has at least given them enough evidence to finally come to terms with the fact that their granddaughter is dead and their own selfish daughter killed her.

I don't see Cindy FINALLY listening to ANYONE, even her new attorney, to shut up otherwise. If she tries to pull the "nanny did it" out of her arse now she should be committed.

[mu8shark]

G&C's silence along with Georges emotional breakdown still lead me to believe that LE has given them enough information about the evidence to come to terms with this AND that their own daughter is guilty of the crime. Wouldn't fingerprints give a pretty quick result? Hmm Great point! I know that Conway said All the Anthonys know is what Casey told them and they don't necessarily believe that, it depends on what the evidence turns out to be. I am paraphrasing of course but I am close to what he said on Court tv today and that is certainly a sudden switch from two days ago where he said they still believe Zenaida Gonzalez was the last one to see the child. Could it be the Anthonys know something more? Fingerprints would not take as long as ID ing the body.

[mu8shark]

In ths same article on WESH where they mention the woman with the supposed photos and info they also said this, "Sources said they believe the victim had been dumped soon after the slaying" So if soon means like within a week or so and I am guestimating on that of course maybe LE already knows that her photos or her claims are not true or maybe they have evidence Caylee was dumped early on that we don't know. That is of course if WESH has good sources. But I wonder if since Tony picked her up on Chickasaw that day walking when she first ran out of gas if LE is also matching that up as some of us already believe she dumped the body earlier. I know that was the 20th and it seem early and I know Perper said the body was in the trunk for about a week but to me four days is close enough to make the trunk smell in that heat and also if you were to ask Perper I bet he would not say it had to be exactly a week. JMO

[javahog]

The rest of them have no connection to Sawgrass Apartments like this particular one does. Also the children on her card there are the names Casey picked out at one point as her roomates. I think there will be evidence she had some chance encounter with her info at Sawgrass and tried to pin it on her. If I remember correctly the apartment Zenaida looked at the was the vacant one 210 that Casey tried to say she lived at. I think she has a case. Just my opinion

Okay, that's narrowing it down to something worth throwing at a jury. So I just looked this up...I had a baby in September, so I missed this news: So ZGF is suing KC and naming CA and GA, KC is countersuing ZGF (for what the...?), and CA is suing ZGF too? And CA is writing a parenting, I mean, biographical book about this? Nutty all around. imo.

[One2Snoop]

Facebook Posting Suggests Casey Took Friend's Duct Tape
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 – updated: 6:08 pm EST December 17, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- An online social networking site might hold clues in the case against Casey. It might help determine where the duct tape came from that was found on a child's remains located near the Anthony home.

Eyewitness News made the discovery Wednesday as search crews spent another day sifting through dirt and knocking down tree branches. Eyewitness News learned of the duct tape details from somebody who contacted the station through WFTV.com.

An Ontario woman, who has been tracking the Casey Anthony case on WFTV.com, emailed Eyewitness News what she says is Casey's Facebook page with a message about duct tape. She insists it's an authentic page she found and printed in July.

One specific posting in late May, from who appears to be Casey's former best friend Amy Huizenga, reads, "You lost my duct tape. I was excited to have so much left. That's why (sic) I get for giving you my purse."

The date it appeared to be posted, May 26, was around the same time as a "no clothes party" Casey attended. She had wrapped herself in a flag and, according to her, nothing else.

Eyewitness News passed the Facebook information along to law enforcement and they are investigating the possibility that the duct tape mentioned is somehow connected to the case.

Investigators found duct tape on the mouth of the child's skull found less than a half-mile from the Anthony home. Investigators have been very tight-lipped about what they took from the Anthony home shortly after the remains were found and what, if any, evidence it has yielded.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18301938/detail.html#-