Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Gatordog]

As I was reading Browneyes' post, it hit me like a brick :punch:- The Liar told only one person that she wanted to put the baby up for adoption. She told the one friend she had who could not have children and who according to the Liar, was rich through an inheritance. She was either going to sell this child or was going to use this person's money to get her through the pregnancy and then change her mind about adoption. She used the pregnancy to taunt her mother and to try to get Jesse to marry her even though she knew the child was not his. Jesse Grund's father had said on Nancy Grace that he knew the child was not his son's due to the timing. That's why Jesse insisted on a paternity test before being named as the father. Mr. Grund knew all along that she was lying. She even insisted she wasn't pregnant until Cindy finally took her to the doctor during her seventh month. She had this poor baby to use it for what she could get out of it. She was able to twist her parents into knots for fear of her taking the child away. She was able to get away with stealing and not working and her parents were too fearful to question her. As Caylee was getting older she became the darling of the family and she had to get rid of her. She loved playing the devoted mom when people were around but then Caylee developed her own personality and was getting the attention on her own. She never, ever intended to put that baby for adoption. It was all a sham to get her parents to foot her bills. This woman is absolute evil.

[Its just me]

The smell is still inside the trunk of the car. My yard is 64 feet long and once there was a dead possum in the street behind my house. I could smell that animal for days when I went out on the patio.

I can believe that. The death smell can travel farther if it’s a large animal.
I truly believe Caylee was in the trunk of the car when decomp was near or at its peak for the odor to be so strong. I have no doubts that the defense can provide a good argument that the body was not put there by Casey and they may win if they can explain away the smell and evidence found in the car. Who knows they may claim it was a squirrel and have Henry Lee to back them up. I think there is possibly pretty good evidence that the car was not moved in between Casey abandoning it until it was picked up by the A's. It would be getting pretty far fetched to claim someone planted the evidence in the car in my opinion. The worst part is the death of Caylee but I’m thinking the court case will be bad and a possible circus. MHOO fep

[Gatordog]

I can believe that. The death smell can travel farther if it’s a large animal.
I truly believe Caylee was in the trunk of the car when decomp was near or at its peak for the odor to be so strong. I have no doubts that the defense can provide a good argument that the body was not put there by Casey and they may win if they can explain away the smell and evidence found in the car. Who knows they may claim it was a squirrel and have Henry Lee to back them up. I think there is possibly pretty good evidence that the car was not moved in between Casey abandoning it until it was picked up by the A's. It would be getting pretty far fetched to claim someone planted the evidence in the car in my opinion. The worst part is the death of Caylee but I’m thinking the court case will be bad and a possible circus. MHOO fep

They do have suicidal squirrels in that neighborhood. As I was driving there yesterday, two blocks from the area, a squirrel darted right into the street, in front of my car. I put the brakes on and somehow managed to miss it. I have much smarter squirrels in my neighborhood. :)

[Mac]

Gawd no i hate when things go in the Liar's favour. Please let this be a rumour. We still have to go back to the decomp in her car. This is worse than a movie of the week. What are the odds of that?????? Oh Lordy.:rose::rose:


I wouldn't worry about this too much. Like you said, the Decomp in the trunk. At best, even if any of this is true..( about Zanny) which it isn't....the lies prove that out, She is an accomplice, and will go down anyway.

Have faith brutha;)

[Mac]

They do have suicidal squirrels in that neighborhood. As I was driving there yesterday, two blocks from the area, a squirrel darted right into the street, in front of my car. I put the brakes on and somehow managed to miss it. I have much smarter squirrels in my neighborhood. :)


LMAO....I just remembered that commercial about the car ready to hit the squirell....the squirell screams...the rabbit screams...the driver screams....Wonder if they filmed that commercial in Orlando?:D

[Gatordog]

The Anthonys had their house swept last night looking for listening devices. I guess no bugs were found or we would have heard.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA with what you've said and I can't say I've ever heard of a defense team being allowed to examine a crime scene - I'm not claiming I know it all etc... but personally have never heard it happening before.

FWIW - I believe one of the other reasons the judge denied the request was because Caylee has not been positively ID'd yet via DNA. Seems somewhat brazen to me for the defense to even make such a request when they don't even know "officially" if its Caylee or not.

I believe the judge knows what he's talking about and I trust he made the appropriate decision for all involved. JMO

Not only are FL laws different from AR laws, but AR has so few high-profile cases that there just isn't a lot of coverage for me to relate to. What was interesting during that hearing is that Baez testified that a forensic anthropologist had made comparisons and the remains were commensurate with Caylee, making it sound like the defense was stipulating that they believed the corpse to be her. Then over the weekend Baez stated that the defense believes Caylee to still be alive. (I think the (in)famous Todd Black made that statement.)

Haven't read a transcript of the hearing yet, but I'm interested to know if the defense was asking for his team (including attorneys) to be allowed in a participant observation, or for his pathologists only to observe. Big difference.

[RaVeN71806]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-bart/caylee-marie-more-than-a_b_148812.html

This is the Anthony's spokes person, right? She should write for Hollywood.
Ridiculous. Nice words don't cut it for me. Is there anything in Casey's defense that makes an ounce of sense? I'm trying so hard and I got nothing. And to answer her question, "YES," I'd give my daughter up in a heart beat and her jail bars would not be protecting me, they would be protecting her from me."

I agree with you 100% on that danagher...

[Its just me]

They do have suicidal squirrels in that neighborhood. As I was driving there yesterday, two blocks from the area, a squirrel darted right into the street, in front of my car. I put the brakes on and somehow managed to miss it. I have much smarter squirrels in my neighborhood. :)

:beer: Glad you missed the little feller but remember it's always best to hit it than to swerve and have a wreck…so be careful when traveling in the A's territory. I had a bird stuck on my car's grill once and sadly I have run over a few squirrels over the years but surprising (Not) never did one get stuck under my car. Hopefully the squirrel story will help shoot a hole in any insanity claims. Screams coverup in my opinion.

Thanks everyone I've enjoyed sharing but I've got to get my behind off this puter and get to working. Keep up the good work. You’re the best source for information and updates plus I believe your opinions are on target.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you, I didn't want to put a time because I had nothing to back it up but memory but the two weeks is on target with the smell of a decomposing animal. The temperature is a driving factor but I'm South Georgia and very seldom do cold temperatures delay the decomp.


I just going to hope that the Prosecution has experts to explain all this so powerful that the defense can't tear it apart because I fully believe that Little Caylee was placed at that spot by no one except Casey. As bad as the car is said to have smelled she could have been bagged and placed it there when the car was abandoned.
It’s common for things to get a little twisted as time goes along and with that in mind…I heard that the body was wrapped in something that linked back to the A. house. No link…only memory of what was discussed on TV. Fox or CNN. I’m not posting it as the truth.
The defense wanting to be including with the discovery process was briefly discussed this morning on Fox including which route the defense will go now that the body has been found. I seriously doubt this Zanny business is going to hold much water and new discovery will most likely determine which way the defense will move. Its kinda sad when the defense has to cook up something to defend what appears to be a client guilty of murdering her child and one who hasn’t shown an ounce of remorse that her child was missing much less dead.
Casey got emotional when told a body was found but I think it’s more likely the emotions came because she realized her chances of getting out of jail were now zero to none and there was no bargaining power left. Casey getting emotional over Caylee at this point makes no sense to me.

Just my 2 cents that may not be worth that. fep


It seems like early on there was discussion that the searchers had an eye out for a rug. When I heard that the body was wrapped inside the bag, I immediately thought of that.

As for the Zanny defense, I don't think it'll fly. There is no record that Casey ever paid her to babysit. There is no record that Zanny ever called Casey. There is no record that Casey ever called Zanny. George reported that the name Zanny didn't evoke any response from Caylee. And you know that LE has searched high and low for Casey's Zaneida Gonzales and she simply does not exist.

[FDInLaw]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-bart/caylee-marie-more-than-a_b_148812.html

This is the Anthony's spokes person, right? She should write for Hollywood.
Ridiculous. Nice words don't cut it for me. Is there anything in Casey's defense that makes an ounce of sense? I'm trying so hard and I got nothing. And to answer her question, "YES," I'd give my daughter up in a heart beat and her jail bars would not be protecting me, they would be protecting her from me."
I agree with you as well. Are we not talking about the precious life of Cindy's Grandaughter here? What about CAYLEE!!! It's time to face the truth.

[abbra]

[


Abbra-

It's so strange seeing the name SammyJ...I use the name of my long-deceased dog as my screen-name, and we ALWAYS called her Sammy Jane when she was in trouble. I'm sure she's keeping everyone on their toes at Rainbow Bridge...LOL!!! And I'm sure she lifted her head as she realized someone NEW was typing out her name...

Yeah the cat was hard...coming home and finding it like THAT. Not that we weren't expecting it-she was old-but not being there with her to hold and rock her to Rainbow Bridge was even harder.

And as for being Ms Tag Em and Bag Em, SOMEBODY has to do it, and I'm glad that you do it, because you give them the respect they deserve.

It's a grizzly world we live in, and yours is a particularly unpleasant job, but we need more people like you who are willing to do it!![/QUOTE]


I think the only thing that bothers me SJ is when I have to prepare childrens bodies. Especially Abused Children that have been murdered. Thats when I crack and the tears flow. - Annie

[Gatordog]

Excellent and true. You know your stuff beem. That short discription is the epitome of her disorder. Sadly it is not fixable. THey operate like scientists on the emotions of those around them. I have one problem with it though. She got messy. Why did she get messy?

Because she thought she was smarter than everyone else and then time was no longer on her side. She delayed in getting rid of the body and then was forced deposit it in a detectable place.

[Gatordog]

Not only are FL laws different from AR laws, but AR has so few high-profile cases that there just isn't a lot of coverage for me to relate to. What was interesting during that hearing is that Baez testified that a forensic anthropologist had made comparisons and the remains were commensurate with Caylee, making it sound like the defense was stipulating that they believed the corpse to be her. Then over the weekend Baez stated that the defense believes Caylee to still be alive. (I think the (in)famous Todd Black made that statement.)

Haven't read a transcript of the hearing yet, but I'm interested to know if the defense was asking for his team (including attorneys) to be allowed in a participant observation, or for his pathologists only to observe. Big difference.

The judge had case law on his side. When Dale Earnhardt was killed in a racing crash a few years back, the media wanted access to the autopsy photos. The family objected and the case when all the way to the Florida Supreme Court where it was determined that autopsies are to be held privately and are not public domain.

[Gatordog]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-bart/caylee-marie-more-than-a_b_148812.html

This is the Anthony's spokes person, right? She should write for Hollywood.
Ridiculous. Nice words don't cut it for me. Is there anything in Casey's defense that makes an ounce of sense? I'm trying so hard and I got nothing. And to answer her question, "YES," I'd give my daughter up in a heart beat and her jail bars would not be protecting me, they would be protecting her from me."

I wrote that I meet her at the infamous Meet and Greet. She stopped me from leaving so she could talk to me. She went on about how I should put myself in their shoes and keep believing that Caylee was out there. I was respectful and didn't disagree but when she brought up the Liar, is when I stopped her. She said "Caylee is going to come home and Casey is going to come home too. It's going to be shown that she didn't do anything." At that point is when I said, "Don't even go there. I didn't bring her up because I was here for Caylee. Casey is where she belongs, in jail, if for nothing else than all the stealing she has done." At that point, she said I was right.

[abbra]

I thought I just heard the news on a news channel that the body that was found in the plastic bag has been identified as Caylee. Can anyone verify this as I missed the report.

[lorettalockhorn]

The judge had case law on his side. When Dale Earnhardt was killed in a racing crash a few years back, the media wanted access to the autopsy photos. The family objected and the case when all the way to the Florida Supreme Court where it was determined that autopsies are to be held privately and are not public domain.

Yes. That is the point that I tried to make to Justice Denied last night. Maybe I garbled the post; that it was the judge's ruling based on case law and precedence, not the prosecution's decision.

[FDInLaw]

I thought I just heard the news on a news channel that the body that was found in the plastic bag has been identified as Caylee. Can anyone verify this as I missed the report.Haven't seen/heard an official word on that yet. It should take a little longer from what I understand.

[abbra]

Thanks FD

[Its just me]

Thanks Mac yes u brought me back to reality. We all need a check now and again. Focus,Focus, Focus, Thats what i luv about this board and u folks. My sister just called me and said they found more bones-is that true??? I am struggling to keep up here between the FIL death vigil and the kids home and the YADAYADA we all have this time of year. I am now officially living in a F/R/A/T house but they are all stepping up to the plate to help me out. I am presently fighting with my union with hours they ripped me off for and should be out finishing the shopping. It will get done and all will be good. I am just pissed as i had my day planned and now i have to stay home and do union stuff. So i am here and all will be good. :rose::rose:

I came to check for any news. Fox just reported something else has been found and I thought they said closer to the A's house but I could be soooooooo wrong. fep

[deputydi]

Rainbow Bridge for Rescuers
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I had never read your version before. Absolutely beautiful. Thanks.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey there all, you have been typing your 'lil fingers off, haven't you....took me half the morn to try and catch up on your 6 pages of posts since yesterday! 2 cups of cafe later.........

I was thinking about the summertime, when I garden and leave bags of stuff to do later....later turns out to be a week,(or more :shrug:) and I wind up with dead pale green grass or dried out stuff underneath the bags... if that water was waist deep, it would have probably moved around a bit, then settled where it was, with the same kind of results. The first 7 weeks or so, the smell was 'smellable' because of the decomp, but in the woods, mixed with all that happens in a wooded area, dead animals etc., the neighbors probably were used to that. When found, it was mostly bones, so the smell was minimal compared to June thru Aug.

News conference in a few min ~ Conway on WFTV/Orlando

On Now............

He's reiterating that the Anthonys still believe that Zenaida Gonzales had something to do with this BUT not the ZG that Mr. Morgan represents. And Casey has made it clear that Mr. Morgan's Zenaida is not the Zenaida that last had Caylee in her custody.

[deputydi]

Hey there all, you have been typing your 'lil fingers off, haven't you....took me half the morn to try and catch up on your 6 pages of posts since yesterday! 2 cups of cafe later.........

I was thinking about the summertime, when I garden and leave bags of stuff to do later....later turns out to be a week,(or more :shrug:) and I wind up with dead pale green grass or dried out stuff underneath the bags... if that water was waist deep, it would have probably moved around a bit, then settled where it was, with the same kind of results. The first 7 weeks or so, the smell was 'smellable' because of the decomp, but in the woods, mixed with all that happens in a wooded area, dead animals etc., the neighbors probably were used to that. When found, it was mostly bones, so the smell was minimal compared to June thru Aug.

News conference in a few min ~ Conway on WFTV/Orlando

On Now............
I'm at work -- no tv. What is the news conference about?

[FDInLaw]

They're discussing about more bones being found......and Anthony's are continuing to support the murdering %#@*! oh...sorry....C & A still think Zani did it...............the Other Zani :rolleyes:

More of the same crap we have been hearing from them.Why Bother?

Conway says the Anthony's are questioning their home being bugged because there are people out there who see it as a way to make a profit


Media is putting it out that more bones found are just Steps from their home, but we know how the media is...should we take it at face value?Seriously, I think y'all need to make up some bumper stickers and start handing them out:

Cindy & George,
CASEY KILLED CAYLEE!
Face the truth!

:flamemad:

[lorettalockhorn]

They're discussing about more bones being found......and Anthony's are continuing to support the murdering %#@*! oh...sorry....C & A still think Zani did it...............the Other Zani :rolleyes:

More of the same crap we have been hearing from them.Why Bother?

Conway says the Anthony's are questioning their home being bugged because there are people out there who see it as a way to make a profit


Media is putting it out that more bones found are just Steps from their home, but we know how the media is...should we take it at face value?

Watching on HNN, but haven't heard that yet.

I'm at work -- no tv. What is the news conference about?

Conway says that the Ants are devastated, but not grieving since the body has not yet been identified as Caylee.

He says that of course the Ants won't visit Caylee, because of the media attention, and because the conversation will be all over TV. Every smile and tear is analyzed.

http://www.cnn.com/live/

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream4

[crimelibrarian]

The jist of the conference is that the Anthony's want their privacy respected....the Other Zani did it......if it turns out to be Caylee, they'll deal with it then, because right now, they are not grieving, because they don't know that it's Caylee.also ~ no funds they received to search were misappropriated or used for personal use..

You know, it's just BS. All this has been said before. Why don't they save it for when the results come back, and they have to answer why their daughter killed their beloved granddaughter?

:mad:

Let's just hope that there are fingerprints on the inside of the bag or the duct tape - how will they explain Casey's fingerprints away - by saying that Zani stole those too! Also, how do they explain that something inside that bag tied the scene to their house - I don't think Zani was ever at their house - at least they admitted they had never met her - these people are living in a dream world - so many of Casey's lies have no logical explanation - like how did she pay a nanny when she didn't work - and why are there absolutely no phone calls to a nanny - ever - when Casey was obviously addicted to use of her cell phone - you can't tell me that in the supposed two years that Zani was the Nanny Casey never called her -

[lorettalockhorn]

Conway told the station that investigators searching the Anthonys' home in the wake of the skull discovery "tore it apart."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,466991,00.html

[FDInLaw]

The jist of the conference is that the Anthony's want their privacy respected....the Other Zani did it......if it turns out to be Caylee, they'll deal with it then, because right now, they are not grieving, because they don't know that it's Caylee.also ~ no funds they received to search were misappropriated or used for personal use..

You know, it's just BS. All this has been said before. Why don't they save it for when the results come back, and they have to answer why their daughter killed their beloved granddaughter?

:mad:I'd like to see the seach money turned into a "hang Casey from the highest tree" fund. . . but hey, that's not going to happen.

[FDInLaw]

Conway told the station that investigators searching the Anthonys' home in the wake of the skull discovery "tore it apart."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,466991,00.htmlWell, at least they have something to do while they sit and wait for results(lol).

[crimelibrarian]

That's just crazy. A murder that occurs during the commission of another crime is still considered first degree. Using chloroform as a "babysitter" IMO is a CRIME. An accidental death would be Caylee falling in the swimming pool and drowning then Casey trying to cover it up. That wouldn't be a first degree charge but Baden is nuts if he thinks the pros will downgrade the charge.

I agree with you - another fact to consider is that for the death to be considered "accidental" Casey is going to have to admit she lied and that she killed Caylee and be willing to testify as to exactly what happened- and then covered it up because she was afraid - at least currently it doesn't seem that she is willing to admit to anything!

[One2Snoop]

Let's just hope that there are fingerprints on the inside of the bag or the duct tape - how will they explain Casey's fingerprints away - by saying that Zani stole those too! Also, how do they explain that something inside that bag tied the scene to their house - I don't think Zani was ever at their house - at least they admitted they had never met her - these people are living in a dream world - so many of Casey's lies have no logical explanation - like how did she pay a nanny when she didn't work -

Don't forget - Casey told her mom that Zani has a key to the house! :rolleyes:

[FDInLaw]

THAT'S a great bumper sticker! :DLMAO! You're right, what was I thinking???? :biggrin:

[deputydi]

The jist of the conference is that the Anthony's want their privacy respected....the Other Zani did it......if it turns out to be Caylee, they'll deal with it then, because right now, they are not grieving, because they don't know that it's Caylee.also ~ no funds they received to search were misappropriated or used for personal use..

You know, it's just BS. All this has been said before. Why don't they save it for when the results come back, and they have to answer why their daughter killed their beloved granddaughter?

:mad:
Thanks. More of the same old bs.

Not grieving??? They know full well this is Caylee. They can search for this invisible Zanny until Judgement Day, but they're chasing a Unicorn. It's impossible for me to believe that Caylee was kidnapped by someone no one except Casey has ever met or talked to. The fact that Casey had NO JOB with which to pay a Nanny and, since she had no job, there was NO NEED for her to have a babysitter should have given them their first clue. GMAB.

[crimelibrarian]

Don't forget - Casey told her mom that Zani has a key to the house! :rolleyes:

So, the babysitter that G & C Anthony have never met, have never talked to, have never seen photos of, has a key to their home - now that makes real sense!

[One2Snoop]

So, they are saying the remains were wrapped in something inside the bag.......which I surmise is why they took so much from the home... pillowcase, small bath rug...What???

I was thinking it might be the top sheet to Caylee's bed - but its possible its a small rug of some sort that may have come from Caylee's bedroom/bathroom. I wonder why the Anthony's never said anything about a missing rug or bed sheet? Interesting.

[FDInLaw]

Thanks. More of the same old bs.

Not grieving??? They know full well this is Caylee. They can search for this invisible Zanny until Judgement Day, but they're chasing a Unicorn. It's impossible for me to believe that Caylee was kidnapped by someone no one except Casey has ever met or talked to. The fact that Casey had NO JOB with which to pay a Nanny and, since she had no job, there was NO NEED for her to have a babysitter should have given them their first clue. GMAB.

There is enough physical evidence in the trunk. . . if they wanted to face the truth. JMO :mad:

[deputydi]

Let's just hope that there are fingerprints on the inside of the bag or the duct tape - how will they explain Casey's fingerprints away - by saying that Zani stole those too! Also, how do they explain that something inside that bag tied the scene to their house - I don't think Zani was ever at their house - at least they admitted they had never met her - these people are living in a dream world - so many of Casey's lies have no logical explanation - like how did she pay a nanny when she didn't work - and why are there absolutely no phone calls to a nanny - ever - when Casey was obviously addicted to use of her cell phone - you can't tell me that in the supposed two years that Zani was the Nanny Casey never called her -
I should read before I post. LOL I just posted the very same thing about Zanny and Casey's lack of a job. So much of Casey's story makes no sense whatsoever. Her words will definitely come back to haunt her.

[tv]

So, the babysitter that G & C Anthony have never met, have never talked to, have never seen photos of, has a key to their home - now that makes real sense!


You took the words right out of my mouth. :beer:

[FDInLaw]

I should read before I post. LOL I just posted the very same thing about Zanny and Casey's lack of a job. So much of Casey's story makes no sense whatsoever. Her words will definitely come back to haunt her.ITA. I'm anxious to hear the “plausible” excuse Casey has for not reporting Caylee missing earlier. It's gonna be a whopper of a lie no doubt!

[One2Snoop]

So, the babysitter that G & C Anthony have never met, have never talked to, have never seen photos of, has a key to their home - now that makes real sense!

Well we all know this has been one big elaborate lie and saw right through the nonsense early on - I just can't figure out why G&C can't see through it. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

Additional items found at crime scene

Last Edited: Monday, 15 Dec 2008, 12:45 PM EST
Created: Monday, 15 Dec 2008, 12:45 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Monday morning, Orange County Sheriff’s spokesperson Carlos Padilla confirmed that additional items were recovered at the crime site where the remains of a child were found on Thursday.

He would not say whether those items were additional bones or clothing, noting that the sheriff’s office wanted to keep the integrity of the case at hand.

At least five FBI agents and a slew of investigators from the Orange County Sheriff’s Office continue to comb through a heavily wooded area less than one mile away from the home of missing toddler, Caylee Anthony. The sheriff’s office says they will expand the area as much as necessary and have removed several bushes and trees from the site.

There is still no confirmation on whether the bones found in a plastic bag are those of Caylee’s, and the FBI along with the sheriff’s office are attempting to expedite those results as quickly as possible. They confirmed that the medical examiner’s office has stayed in close touch with the FBI lab in Virginia, but would not elaborate on what other items other than the remains are being examined.

“Truly the victim here, aside from the Anthony’s, is Caylee Marie Anthony,” Padilla said. “Assuming that that is her, we shouldn’t lose focus that we should do whatever we can for her memory,” he added.


Tim Miller speaks to FOX 35's Mike Dunston

Also on Monday, Tim Miller, the leader of Texas Equusearch, spoke with FOX 35's Mike Dunston about the case. Tim Miller says he is angry with Casey Anthony. "When we walked into the Anthony's house the first time, Casey could have taken me for a two minute walk and it would have been over," he said.

He said investigators at the crime site got emotional after the find. "We hugged and wiped tears out of our eyes and said 'My God, it's finally over, it's finally over."

Investigators allowed Miller close to the area where the child's remains were located, but they said he, as well as Casey Anthony's defense team, were not given access to the actual site.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8075310&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[lorettalockhorn]

See how nice we work together.......it's good to have each other filling in the statements being said while some of us :o are sitting there screaming at the tv!

I have been juggling tv stations for the past few days since they found the skull etc, but does anyone remember the woman forensic anthropologist who said this was the first time she came upon a 'brick wall' (my words) like this when wanting to view the bones? baez is freaking that he can't get his peoples hands on the remains until everyone else is done......Of course everyone wants to make sure there is no misidentification, but what right does defense have in this case, or any other, to view remains of what Might be someone else?

Lee looked unhinged when grabbing the memorial items ~ wonder how he felt about his uncle yelling at Cindy that Casey killed Caylee? And why has Cindy's brother not been interviewed about his statement?

Rocco:rose:
Caylee:rose:

I'm a multi-tasker. I can hurl invectives AND type at the same time.

Is Kathy Reichs the anthropologist you're thinking of? Maybe this simply has to do with FL as opposed to the other states where she has practiced. According to M Baden last night on Geraldo, it's not unusual for a pathologist to observe an autopsy. But I have to wonder just how often there is already a defense team complete with numerous attoryneys and forensic specialists already in place when an autopsy occurs.

[Justice Denied?]

It was the judge not the prosecution who ruled against the request, and I'm sure that if there isn't case law as well as stated procedure to back him up, that the ruling will be challenged and possibly reversed. Are we to imagine that the prosecution team is going to be gawking during the autopsy? And since the discovery site is a crime scene, it seems unusual for the defense to be there while it is being processed. That part of the investigation will be available through discovery.

I've never heard of such a request being granted. Anyone know of precedents?

It is the duty of the defense to file motions and arguments ad nauseum, but to insinuate that the Dr. G or any ME would perpetrate some sleight of hand during the course of her work is outrageous.

Dr Baden said last night on Geraldo that it was common practice for defense experts to be present during autopsy. That way they can observe, agree on results and request extra procedures if desired. It makes sense to me. .......................that way the prosecution is protected. The defense can't claim there was any impropriety if they are right there.

[Gatordog]

Conway told the station that investigators searching the Anthonys' home in the wake of the skull discovery "tore it apart."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,466991,00.html

I do not care for this new attorney or the things he has been saying. He has said the public is out to get Cindy and George and they have done nothing wrong. The public in Orlando is not out to get them. Other than him saying it, there has been no mention of prosecuting them for misconduct. These people hang themselves with their own words. Every person interviewed has expressed nothing but sadness for the Anthonys. No one has said anything negative about them. And his defense of the Liar is absurd. That's why Nejame quit, he would not make statements in defense of her. This attorney is the absolute person who is out for the publicity.

I noticed yesterday that Cindy did look pained but George seemed to be relieved. He is walking as if a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders. As difficult as it is for him to accept Caylee is dead, he has known it all along and doesn't have to pretend anymore.

[One2Snoop]

Updated: 18 minutes ago
Search continues near Caylee Anthony's home

Bianca Prieto and Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writers
12:58 PM EST, December 15, 2008

Bianca Prieto and Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writers
12:58 PM EST, December 15, 2008

Memorial for Caylee Marie grows at the Anthonys' neighborhood
12:57 p.m. Groups of people arrived at the scene to drop off flowers and other trinkets at the growing makeshift memorial at the corner of Suburban and Hopespring drives.

Stuffed animals, bouquets, a candle holder with the Virgin Mary, as well as handwritten notes rest at the base of an oak tree.

A mother and father from Merritt Island brought their two sons, 8 and 6, to the scene while on their way to Disney World.

The children have been watching the news about the missing toddler and the trip to the neighborhood could bring them closure, said dad David Diamond.

One of his sons brought a toy car and left it at the memorial.

Grandparents seek privacy

12:25 p.m. Brad Conway, an attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, just read a statement from his clients during a televised news conference.

The grandparents of missing Caylee Marie Anthony urged people to respect their privacy. The statement came just days after a child's body was discovered about a quarter mile from their home. It is believed to be Caylee but a positive identification has not been made.

"In the event this is not Caylee, we will immediately continue our search for our beloved grandaughter," George and Cindy Anthony said, according to the statement Conway read. "Please respect our privacy and understand that we will not be making any statement or appearances in the near future. We would ask you to continue your prayers for Caylee and all other missing children."

Dr. G is now at the scene of the remains
11:53 a.m. Orange County Medical Examiner Dr. Jan Garavaglia is now at the site of the unidentified remains in east Orange County.

Garavaglia, a forensic pathologist, is the star of the Discovery Channel's show, Dr. G: Medical Examiner.

Search continues near the home of Caylee Marie Anthony
11:41 a.m. It could be days before Orange County crime scene technicians and FBI forensic investigators are done processing the scene where the remains of a small child were found last week.

A team from the medical examiner's office just arrived at the crime scene on Hopespring and Suburban drives. It's unknown why they returned or what their presence signifies.

Investigators are carefully combing through the area and have started removing sections of trees and undergrowth. An investigator can been seen crawling on her knees while examining the uprooted undergrowth that was placed on a white piece of fabric spread out on Suburban Drive.

"It's a lot of undergrowth, a lot of leaves," said sheriff's spokesman Deputy Carlos Padilla. "It's very tedious and very methodical."

About 10 investigators are working to examine the area where the body was found, Padilla said. It could take up to 14 days for a positive identification to be made.

The body was discovered on the morning of Dec. 11 in a heavily wooded area, about one-fourth of a mile from the home of missing Caylee Marie Anthony. The body remains in the possession of the Orange-Osceola County Medical Examiner, however, part of the remains were taken to an FBI lab this weekend by Orange County deputies, Padilla said.

He would not elaborate on what was sent to the lab or the additional items that were found at the scene.

California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who helped to free Caylee's mother Casey Anthony from jail earlier this summer, is milling around the area and talking to curious onlookers.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-bones-121508,0,5946647.story

[lorettalockhorn]

Dr Baden said last night on Geraldo that it was common practice for defense experts to be present during autopsy. That way they can observe, agree on results and request extra procedures if desired. It makes sense to me. .......................that way the prosecution is protected. The defense can't claim there was any impropriety if they are right there.

Actually one thing that he said that made sense to me, was that the "visiting" pathologist can ask questions of the ME, assuring that all questions are answered and issues are addressed while the procedure is going on.

As for the defense claiming impropriety; that is horsesh!t in my book unless they have some reason to suspect that particular examiner in light of the strict protocols in place.

[Gatordog]

I'm a multi-tasker. I can hurl invectives AND type at the same time.

Is Kathy Reichs the anthropologist you're thinking of? Maybe this simply has to do with FL as opposed to the other states where she has practiced. According to M Baden last night on Geraldo, it's not unusual for a pathologist to observe an autopsy. But I have to wonder just how often there is already a defense team complete with numerous attoryneys and forensic specialists already in place when an autopsy occurs.

I wish Michael Baden would shut up. His words have no value for me since his wife is on the team. Maybe an anthropologist or pathologist is viewing the examination but it's not a defense team's member. How often do they have the killer before they have the body? Usually, the body is found and examined and then a case is made but in this case, the defense was already in place way before the autopsy. You know what I say to them - Tough Luck! And they are going to poison every jury pool with their nonsense. The state's attorney is being quite professional about this and quiet. The defense is also bringing in all these Northerners (I being one myself can say this) and it's going to backfire. Depending on where they go for the trial, they are going to dislike the Yanks! People here still have bumper stickers that say "Carpet Baggers go home" and have confederate flags on their cars. I'm in Orlando and if you go 10 miles east or west of the city, you're a Yankee.

[Mac]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelle-bart/caylee-marie-more-than-a_b_148812.html

This is the Anthony's spokes person, right? She should write for Hollywood.
Ridiculous. Nice words don't cut it for me. Is there anything in Casey's defense that makes an ounce of sense? I'm trying so hard and I got nothing. And to answer her question, "YES," I'd give my daughter up in a heart beat and her jail bars would not be protecting me, they would be protecting her from me."

My response to this article. Posted on 12-15-08


Your are right, Caylee was more then a flyer. She was also more then garbage that was thrown into the woods, after she had her mouth duct taped, so no one would here her cries. She was also more than a nuisance that by all accounts got in the way of her mother parting ways. She was also more then an excuse for her mother to steal from everyone, in order to pursue her lifestyle.

Your article mention that the Grandparents have not given up hope that the supposed sightings of this litttle girl in all areas of this country and overseas where true. As we know now....they weren't. None of the storys that seem to come out of the mouth of Cindy and George are true.

Cindy once said that her and Casey were very much alike. When it comes to truisms, she is correct.

But isn't Casey lucky that her mother did not do to her what she did to her daughter? Then again, if Cindy did, then we would not have had this tragedy occur, and you.....would not be in the spotlight...would you?

A lot of people say that anyone that got involved with this case of murder was in it for the glamour, monies, attention. I think you are as well.

As for the Anthony's....for a couple of grandparents that had no money to pay their bills or mortgage, they seem to be enjoying their time at the Ritz Carlton while eating $100 dollar a plate dinners. Perhaps they are in this for the money as well??

The fact that you have the audacity to write an article concerning the treatment of the Anthonys, when they are probably guilty of obstruction and lying under oath, shows me that you are one of those people that your article trys to hammer. You are in this for the spotlight as well. And I hope that you can live with the fact that you are the spokesperson for someone of such low character and the parents of a monster.

Perhaps it would have been better for Cindy to have treated her daughter the way Casey treated hers. But then again Cindy might have used something other then duct tape to cover the mouth of a screaming little girl that was wondering what she did so wrong to have her mother, the one she trusted so much, create her so much pain.

You said in your article "So here we are, five months later, is there hope? YES,"

And I agree with you there is some hope. That we all get to remember Caylee as the pure, innocent angel she was, that was raised by a highly disfunctional family, and murdered by her own mother.

There is some hope....That some of us get to witness the final moments of Casey Anthony, as she is lead to her death penalty. Unfortunatly, for us...the public.....we will give her a more humane death then she gave to her own daughter.

I see these reply's are moderated and this one will never see the light of day on this website.

But I will post your link and my reply to it on 13 other websites, so that more of the public can see you for what you are...a spokesperson for a grandmother of a murderer.

Good day.

Mac A.
Edgewater, Forida

[lorettalockhorn]

I do not care for this new attorney or the things he has been saying. He has said the public is out to get Cindy and George and they have done nothing wrong. The public in Orlando is not out to get them. Other than him saying it, there has been no mention of prosecuting them for misconduct. These people hang themselves with their own words. Every person interviewed has expressed nothing but sadness for the Anthonys. No one has said anything negative about them. And his defense of the Liar is absurd. That's why Nejame quit, he would not make statements in defense of her. This attorney is the absolute person who is out for the publicity.

I noticed yesterday that Cindy did look pained but George seemed to be relieved. He is walking as if a great weight has been lifted from his shoulders. As difficult as it is for him to accept Caylee is dead, he has known it all along and doesn't have to pretend anymore.

At least this guy had the decency to finally express the Anthonys' sympathy regarding the family who has lost a child. Of course, that sounds rather boorish considering that they are probably referring to themselves. Had they made that statement on 12/11, I might be able to cut them some slack.

There is plenty of negativity surrounding the Anthonys online; maybe that's what he's citing.

[One2Snoop]

Carlos Padilla News Conference - December 15, 2008

Video
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8075477&version=1&locale=EN-US

[One2Snoop]

Home Video of Caylee.... http://i33.tinypic.com/bjfnkl.gif

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5739079

http://i37.tinypic.com/2r5dpns.jpg

[Mac]

Looks like your post IS seeing the light of day.YOU TELL 'EM, MAC.
:beer:

Thanks for the brew

[One2Snoop]

Great post Mac. :beer:

[FDInLaw]

Home Video of Caylee.... http://i33.tinypic.com/bjfnkl.gif

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5739079

Not sure I can watch it. . . have my own little brown haired angel running around at my feet. I just can't handle it. :(

This case has a way of eating at one's very soul. :rose:

We have heard your cries, Caylee. Every syllable. Lord willing, we will see justice served on your behalf! :rose:

[samanthajane13]

"So, they are saying the remains were wrapped in something inside the bag.......which I surmise is why they took so much from the home... pillowcase, small bath rug...What???"


I'm thinking it's a light blanket or sheet that Casey had Caylee wrapped up in to sleep in the trunk after she dosed her with the chloroform.

[One2Snoop]

http://i37.tinypic.com/ra3yiu.jpg

http://www.wftv.com/news/18282364/detail.html

[browneyes106]

My response to this article. Posted on 12-15-08


Your are right, Caylee was more then a flyer. She was also more then garbage that was thrown into the woods, after she had her mouth duct taped, so no one would here her cries. She was also more than a nuisance that by all accounts got in the way of her mother parting ways. She was also more then an excuse for her mother to steal from everyone, in order to pursue her lifestyle.

Your article mention that the Grandparents have not given up hope that the supposed sightings of this litttle girl in all areas of this country and overseas where true. As we know now....they weren't. None of the storys that seem to come out of the mouth of Cindy and George are true.

Cindy once said that her and Casey were very much alike. When it comes to truisms, she is correct.

But isn't Casey lucky that her mother did not do to her what she did to her daughter? Then again, if Cindy did, then we would not have had this tragedy occur, and you.....would not be in the spotlight...would you?

A lot of people say that anyone that got involved with this case of murder was in it for the glamour, monies, attention. I think you are as well.

As for the Anthony's....for a couple of grandparents that had no money to pay their bills or mortgage, they seem to be enjoying their time at the Ritz Carlton while eating $100 dollar a plate dinners. Perhaps they are in this for the money as well??

The fact that you have the audacity to write an article concerning the treatment of the Anthonys, when they are probably guilty of obstruction and lying under oath, shows me that you are one of those people that your article trys to hammer. You are in this for the spotlight as well. And I hope that you can live with the fact that you are the spokesperson for someone of such low character and the parents of a monster.

Perhaps it would have been better for Cindy to have treated her daughter the way Casey treated hers. But then again Cindy might have used something other then duct tape to cover the mouth of a screaming little girl that was wondering what she did so wrong to have her mother, the one she trusted so much, create her so much pain.

You said in your article "So here we are, five months later, is there hope? YES,"

And I agree with you there is some hope. That we all get to remember Caylee as the pure, innocent angel she was, that was raised by a highly disfunctional family, and murdered by her own mother.

There is some hope....That some of us get to witness the final moments of Casey Anthony, as she is lead to her death penalty. Unfortunatly, for us...the public.....we will give her a more humane death then she gave to her own daughter.

I see these reply's are moderated and this one will never see the light of day on this website.

But I will post your link and my reply to it on 13 other websites, so that more of the public can see you for what you are...a spokesperson for a grandmother of a murderer.

Good day.

Mac A.
Edgewater, Forida

Great post Mac.

[Justice Denied?]

I'd like to see the seach money turned into a "hang Casey from the highest tree" fund. . . but hey, that's not going to happen.
I think the main thing we should worry about is that it might go into a "Casey Anthony Defense Fund." I would spit nails if that happened.

[One2Snoop]

Recent search photo's....

The Caylee Anthony saga in photos

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery

[Justice Denied?]

Yes. That is the point that I tried to make to Justice Denied last night. Maybe I garbled the post; that it was the judge's ruling based on case law and precedence, not the prosecution's decision.

I understand completely what you are saying about the privacy issue. I was just going by Baden's saying it was common practice to let a defense expert in. I don't think the whole defense team needs to be there.
Re: proecution's decision: If they didn't object, there would be no need for a court hearing.

Don't mean to be argumentative, just trying to make myself clearer. Sometimes my mind works quicker than my fingers can type. LOL

[lorettalockhorn]

I wish Michael Baden would shut up. His words have no value for me since his wife is on the team. Maybe an anthropologist or pathologist is viewing the examination but it's not a defense team's member. How often do they have the killer before they have the body? Usually, the body is found and examined and then a case is made but in this case, the defense was already in place way before the autopsy. You know what I say to them - Tough Luck! And they are going to poison every jury pool with their nonsense. The state's attorney is being quite professional about this and quiet. The defense is also bringing in all these Northerners (I being one myself can say this) and it's going to backfire. Depending on where they go for the trial, they are going to dislike the Yanks! People here still have bumper stickers that say "Carpet Baggers go home" and have confederate flags on their cars. I'm in Orlando and if you go 10 miles east or west of the city, you're a Yankee.

It just occurred to me where the defense's paranoia comes from; their very own Henry Lee! He's the one who was found by the judge in the Spector trial of having hidden or destroyed evidence and possibly lying under oath. That's rich in irony.

At any rate, I think it borders on slanderous/libelous to insinuate that Dr. G might do the same as Lee did. And I'm surprised that Kenney-Baden wants to work with Lee.

[Justice Denied?]

Don't forget - Casey told her mom that Zani has a key to the house! :rolleyes:
Why does a nanny who has never been to the house and never called need a key? I'll bet they claim she did the seaches on the computer also. Sick, sick people.

[lorettalockhorn]

I understand completely what you are saying about the privacy issue. I was just going by Baden's saying it was common practice to let a defense expert in. I don't think the whole defense team needs to be there.
Re: proecution's decision: If they didn't object, there would be no need for a court hearing.

Don't mean to be argumentative, just trying to make myself clearer. Sometimes my mind works quicker than my fingers can type. LOL

No problem! I was responding to Gator's post about the judge having cited case law. I thought that I had made it clear that it was my belief that that is exactly what the judge based the decision on; not merely some personal whim. I would expect that if the hearing requesting permission (which seems to indicate that it's not normal procedure, at least in FL) hadn't come from the defense, that the prosecution would have requested their own emergency hearing to block the defense had they shown up uninvited for the autopsy.

[One2Snoop]

Why does a nanny who has never been to the house and never called need a key? I'll bet they claim she did the seaches on the computer also. Sick, sick people.

I believe all along Casey was referring to herself. JMO.

[deputydi]

Well we all know this has been one big elaborate lie and saw right through the nonsense early on - I just can't figure out why G&C can't see through it. :shrug:
Because she's their daughter and they won't allow themselves to believe she could do something so awful. JMO.

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks. More of the same old bs.

Not grieving??? They know full well this is Caylee. They can search for this invisible Zanny until Judgement Day, but they're chasing a Unicorn. It's impossible for me to believe that Caylee was kidnapped by someone no one except Casey has ever met or talked to. The fact that Casey had NO JOB with which to pay a Nanny and, since she had no job, there was NO NEED for her to have a babysitter should have given them their first clue. GMAB.
You know, I would still like to know what Casey really did all the time she was supposed to be working and what she did with Caylee. She lost her job when Caylee was less than a year old.

[lorettalockhorn]

Geez, Loretta, I'm jealous! My typing skills were good in high school, but I need to bone up on the typing I think. Other than here, I don't get on a whole lot. My daughter says it's this new keybord we got, she's a typing wiz, and even she winds up with the letters aLl a** bAcKwaRds and sTuFf :D Yep, Time to practice my juggling/typing skills, cause my expletives come out just fine .........;)

Is Kathy Reichs a seemingly nice, soft spoken woman? I just caught her as she came on, so I didn't know if she was part of the new dream team or an independent....

:seeya:

OS, all you gotta do is stay online 24/7. Make the internet your life. Eschew the outside world. Post simultaneously on three or four boards while you chat online and email. Quit eating. Hook yourself up to a feeding tube and foley catheter, etc. etc. Your WPMs will soar!

Just kidding of course, but I've got to tell you that Leroy thinks my laptop is an extra appendage. Isn't it amazing that despite my addiction to the internet that I still manage to miracle food onto the table, take care of the house and the yard and the finances, etc. etc.?????

Haven't seen K Reichs yet, so I'm not sure of her demeanor.

[mu8shark]

I remember the moment on the Larry King Show with the Anthony's when Cindy was challenged about her statement to the police in the 911 call. She is recorded as saying: July 15, 2008: Caylee Anthony reported missing. Cindy Anthony called 911 and said, "I found out my granddaughter has been taken, she has been missing for a month." Casey Anthony allegedly told her family and police that she had not seen her daughter for 31 days and had launched her own investigation. In one of three calls placed to 911, Cindy Anthony said, "I found my daughter's car today and it smelled like there's been a dead body in the damn car." Cindy Anthony later retracted that statement, and the Anthony family rallied around Casey.


She told Larry K. that she has a habit of saying, when she opens her fridge and smells something, that "It smells like something died in here." Did I really hear that fool try to make a comparison to her habit of saying, something died in the frige?

Help me! I can't stand it! If this isn't a slam dunk case I'm not living on the planet earth.She also said, I changed my mind. I did not change my mind at the beginning of her answer. Like she was thinking aloud. I guess I have had a vegetable or something that went a little bad but if her fridge smells like a dead body , maybe she needs a housekeeper. Know what I am saying. Just popped on here to see what is up and missed a day of posting but am going to go Christmas shop. Guess I will have to catch up tonight. BBL

[Justice Denied?]

I thought maybe it was a bath towel. For one thing that is usually the first thing someone grabs to clean a mess. Felt that would be real lucky as most people buy bath towels in sets.

[mu8shark]

Why does a nanny who has never been to the house and never called need a key? I'll bet they claim she did the seaches on the computer also. Sick, sick people.Justice , this is just bizarre, Zanny has never been to the house or picked Caylee up right? Cindy, Lee and George have never met her, never talked on the phone to her and yet she has a key to the house??? That caught my ear as well. Giving a key is kind of a personal thing, don't you think? Why would she need it? Not to get clothes or toys or baby stuff cause Zanny bought all that for Caylee , right???? As Kathy Griffin says, allegedly.

[lorettalockhorn]

My response to this article. Posted on 12-15-08


Your are right, Caylee was more then a flyer. She was also more then garbage that was thrown into the woods, after she had her mouth duct taped, so no one would here her cries. She was also more than a nuisance that by all accounts got in the way of her mother parting ways. She was also more then an excuse for her mother to steal from everyone, in order to pursue her lifestyle.

Your article mention that the Grandparents have not given up hope that the supposed sightings of this litttle girl in all areas of this country and overseas where true. As we know now....they weren't. None of the storys that seem to come out of the mouth of Cindy and George are true.

Cindy once said that her and Casey were very much alike. When it comes to truisms, she is correct.

But isn't Casey lucky that her mother did not do to her what she did to her daughter? Then again, if Cindy did, then we would not have had this tragedy occur, and you.....would not be in the spotlight...would you?

A lot of people say that anyone that got involved with this case of murder was in it for the glamour, monies, attention. I think you are as well.

As for the Anthony's....for a couple of grandparents that had no money to pay their bills or mortgage, they seem to be enjoying their time at the Ritz Carlton while eating $100 dollar a plate dinners. Perhaps they are in this for the money as well??

The fact that you have the audacity to write an article concerning the treatment of the Anthonys, when they are probably guilty of obstruction and lying under oath, shows me that you are one of those people that your article trys to hammer. You are in this for the spotlight as well. And I hope that you can live with the fact that you are the spokesperson for someone of such low character and the parents of a monster.

Perhaps it would have been better for Cindy to have treated her daughter the way Casey treated hers. But then again Cindy might have used something other then duct tape to cover the mouth of a screaming little girl that was wondering what she did so wrong to have her mother, the one she trusted so much, create her so much pain.

You said in your article "So here we are, five months later, is there hope? YES,"

And I agree with you there is some hope. That we all get to remember Caylee as the pure, innocent angel she was, that was raised by a highly disfunctional family, and murdered by her own mother.

There is some hope....That some of us get to witness the final moments of Casey Anthony, as she is lead to her death penalty. Unfortunatly, for us...the public.....we will give her a more humane death then she gave to her own daughter.

I see these reply's are moderated and this one will never see the light of day on this website.

But I will post your link and my reply to it on 13 other websites, so that more of the public can see you for what you are...a spokesperson for a grandmother of a murderer.

Good day.

Mac A.
Edgewater, Forida

Mac, I likey! The KidFinder people exude hinkiness to me.

Did anyone think it was odd that Michelle mentioned that Caylee was potty trained? Hasn't much been made about the fact that Casey didn't make any purchases for Caylee with her ill gotten booty (not that booty!!), including diapers?

[One2Snoop]

I thought maybe it was a bath towel. For one thing that is usually the first thing someone grabs to clean a mess. Felt that would be real lucky as most people buy bath towels in sets.

Forensics people removed a pillow from the Anthony home that had little polka dots on it. It was probably a sham. Evidently this is the same fabric from the comforter on Caylee's bed. I think something from the comforter set was used to wrap her in - or maybe the matching sheet to the set.

[lorettalockhorn]

http://i37.tinypic.com/ra3yiu.jpg

http://www.wftv.com/news/18282364/detail.html

Privacy schmivacy. What was that sashay yesterday with the teddy bear all about?

Man, I need to whip up a batch of eggnog and/or drink a batch of eggnog or something.

[lorettalockhorn]

Forensics people removed a pillow from the Anthony home that had little polka dots on it. It was probably a sham. Evidently this is the same fabric from the comforter on Caylee's bed. I think something from the comforter set was used to wrap her in - or maybe the matching sheet to the set.

I read that it was a small pillow that was taken from the house, so I figured a throw pillow or decorative pillow of some sort, rather than a bed pillow. Not that it may matter.

[Justice Denied?]

Actually one thing that he said that made sense to me, was that the "visiting" pathologist can ask questions of the ME, assuring that all questions are answered and issues are addressed while the procedure is going on.

As for the defense claiming impropriety; that is horsesh!t in my book unless they have some reason to suspect that particular examiner in light of the strict protocols in place.

Thank you, Loretta!

This is what I have been trying to say and just couln't make myself clear! Thank goodness for people with better vocabularies.:D

[One2Snoop]

I read that it was a small pillow that was taken from the house, so I figured a throw pillow or decorative pillow of some sort, rather than a bed pillow. Not that it may matter.

It could be from the bed - dang it - I saw a picture of the set with Cindy sitting in front of the bed and now I can't find it - grrrrr LOL. I'll keep looking.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you, Loretta!

This is what I have been trying to say and just couln't make myself clear! Thank goodness for people with better vocabularies.:D

What?! You don't have horsesh!t in your vocabulary? :hat: Thanks I love your posts. I love everyone's posts! :beer: This is a great board!

[lorettalockhorn]

It could be from the bed - dang it - I saw a picture of the set with Cindy sitting in front of the bed and now I can't find it - grrrrr LOL. I'll keep looking.

O2S, didn't GVS show that when she visited the Anthonys' home?

[One2Snoop]

http://i33.tinypic.com/2ykjdc9.jpg

[Justice Denied?]

Forensics people removed a pillow from the Anthony home that had little polka dots on it. It was probably a sham. Evidently this is the same fabric from the comforter on Caylee's bed. I think something from the comforter set was used to wrap her in - or maybe the matching sheet to the set.
That makes a lot of sense. Most kids have the "bed in a bag sets" where everything matches. Wish they would hurry up and tell us. We may have to wait til trial.

[FDInLaw]

What?! You don't have horsesh!t in your vocabulary? :hat: Thanks I love your posts. I love everyone's posts! :beer: This is a great board!

No one has a vocabulary like yours, Loretta! :D



Item covering body. . . I'm going to guess a sheet. Someone here posted a theory about Caylee being placed in trunk to be “babysat” by the Chloroform. . . if this is the case a bedding item seems most likely IMO.

[One2Snoop]

another one....

http://i36.tinypic.com/263tzcz.jpg

[Mac]

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The maker of Monsters........Maybe I should start calling her Mrs Frankenstien.......or is that Frankenshtien?

For you old enough to remember the Mel Brooks movie.

[Justice Denied?]

What?! You don't have horsesh!t in your vocabulary? :hat: Thanks I love your posts. I love everyone's posts! :beer: This is a great board!

I also enjoy your posts, especially your humor - so like mine! I really enjoy this thread and all the people here. Thanks for the suds. Gonna use it to wash down a couple shots of burbon. Then i may have some of that eggnog.

[lorettalockhorn]

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Yep, that's pretty much the scene that Cindy showed GVS when they went through the house. Cindy does look sad and vulnerable in that pic.

[lorettalockhorn]

No one has a vocabulary like yours, Loretta! :D



Item covering body. . . I'm going to guess a sheet. Someone here posted a theory about Caylee being placed in trunk to be “babysat” by the Chloroform. . . if this is the case a bedding item seems most likely IMO.

My love! :seeya: Whoever it was who said unctuous blandishment will get you nowhere was wrong!

[lorettalockhorn]

I also enjoy your posts, especially your humor - so like mine! I really enjoy this thread and all the people here. Thanks for the suds. Gonna use it to wash down a couple shots of burbon. Then i may have some of that eggnog.

Sounds like you've got the afternoon covered, let me know when you're ready for a) your 5:00 cocktail, and b) your nightcap. tehee

[Mac]

Maybe they are going to send Casey down the river?

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The new lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony spoke to the public Monday (watch video). He said he didn't know about plans to prosecute them on charges related to the case, but he did tell Eyewitness News that he is seeking immunity for Caylee's grandparents.

Attorney Brad Conway says he just wants to make sure his clients are protected. He wants to make sure charges aren't filed later.


George and Cindy Anthony were not ready to address the media, but issued a statement (read statement) through their attorney Monday. The Anthonys do not plan on making a public statement until the remains found near their home are identified.

Conway said the family is realistic, but hopeful it's not Caylee.

"The last six months have been the hardest six months of our lives and we understand that the ongoing investigation and prosecution of our daughter, Casey, will consume our lives with conflict," Conway read from the statement. "Based on recent developments we are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter Caylee Marie."

Once the medical examiner and the defense examine the remains, the remains, if Caylee's, will be released to the Anthonys.

"If it is Caylee Marie, they will make proper burial," Conway told Eyewitness News.

Eyewitness News reported last week that sources close to the investigation said they are possibly building a case against Caylee's grandparents for obstruction of justice. Sources told Eyewitness News, if charges were pursued, it would be after the remains were identified and it would come from the forensic evidence that was recently taken from the Anthony home.

"They have cooperated. They have done nothing," Conway said.

Conway said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives later this week to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.
"We will not speculate. If the attorney officially decides to ask our office, well will address it then," said Danielle Taverneri, spokesperson for the State Attorney's Office.

Conway admits the Anthonys have made conflicting statements in the past. They will be re-interviewed by investigators. He said, for the next interview they give to authorities, there will not be any conflicting statements.

Attorney Brad Conway also said he is representing the Anthonys for free.

[FDInLaw]

Maybe they are going to send Casey down the river?

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The new lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony spoke to the public Monday (watch video). He said he didn't know about plans to prosecute them on charges related to the case, but he did tell Eyewitness News that he is seeking immunity for Caylee's grandparents.

Attorney Brad Conway says he just wants to make sure his clients are protected. He wants to make sure charges aren't filed later.


George and Cindy Anthony were not ready to address the media, but issued a statement (read statement) through their attorney Monday. The Anthonys do not plan on making a public statement until the remains found near their home are identified.

Conway said the family is realistic, but hopeful it's not Caylee.

"The last six months have been the hardest six months of our lives and we understand that the ongoing investigation and prosecution of our daughter, Casey, will consume our lives with conflict," Conway read from the statement. "Based on recent developments we are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter Caylee Marie."

Once the medical examiner and the defense examine the remains, the remains, if Caylee's, will be released to the Anthonys.

"If it is Caylee Marie, they will make proper burial," Conway told Eyewitness News.

Eyewitness News reported last week that sources close to the investigation said they are possibly building a case against Caylee's grandparents for obstruction of justice. Sources told Eyewitness News, if charges were pursued, it would be after the remains were identified and it would come from the forensic evidence that was recently taken from the Anthony home.

"They have cooperated. They have done nothing," Conway said.

Conway said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives later this week to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.
"We will not speculate. If the attorney officially decides to ask our office, well will address it then," said Danielle Taverneri, spokesperson for the State Attorney's Office.

Conway admits the Anthonys have made conflicting statements in the past. They will be re-interviewed by investigators. He said, for the next interview they give to authorities, there will not be any conflicting statements.

Attorney Brad Conway also said he is representing the Anthonys for free.Let's hope that Cindy & George are going to cooperate fully. . . finally. There is nothing they can really do for their daughter (their inconstant statements will see to this). However, they can choose to honor the memory of their sweet Grand baby and add the justice process.

[Mac]

Let's hope that Cindy & George are going to cooperate fully. . . finally. There is nothing they can really do for their daughter (their inconstant statements will see to this). However, they can choose to honor the memory of their sweet Grand baby and add the justice process.


Well said FDINLAW......but in my mind all they are doing is to try to cover there hiney's......IMO

[FDInLaw]

[QUOTE=FDInLaw;9145927]No one has a vocabulary like yours, Loretta! :D


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LMAO..............I will not pee my pants....I will not pee my pants...I will not pee my pants............

to us all :beer: it's just a little haterade , go on, take a sip...:)

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[FDInLaw]

Well said FDINLAW......but in my mind all they are doing is to try to cover there hiney's......IMO

From their behavior thus far, I would have to say you are right. Mind you, it would be nice if we could expect that the discovery of Caylee's body would jolt them somehow. But then, one can not plea to a conscious if it is not there.

[FDInLaw]

Whoa! Yer good! Take any prize from the top shelf FDI!

Is it Beerthirty yet?:beer:
YoUr somethIng sUre. . . *hiccup*

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:beer: A toast for Caylee. . . to no more pain, tears, or reasons to cry. :rose:

[browneyes106]

You know, I would still like to know what Casey really did all the time she was supposed to be working and what she did with Caylee. She lost her job when Caylee was less than a year old.

That is question a lot of us are asking but I wonder if there will be some kind of explanation during the trial.

[Twinners]

Maybe they are going to send Casey down the river?[/B]
I read their statement as soon as I signed on a few minutes ago. I think they will help the prosecution build their case against Casey.

In one of her interviews, Cindy said she would forgive whoever had Caylee if they brought her back unharmed. The way she said it made it clear all bets were off if anything happened to Caylee. Well, something did happen to her and Casey is responsible for it. I think it will kill both Cindy and George to have to do it, but I expect to see them fully cooperate with the authorities in building a case against Casey now.

[browneyes106]

Justice , this is just bizarre, Zanny has never been to the house or picked Caylee up right? Cindy, Lee and George have never met her, never talked on the phone to her and yet she has a key to the house??? That caught my ear as well. Giving a key is kind of a personal thing, don't you think? Why would she need it? Not to get clothes or toys or baby stuff cause Zanny bought all that for Caylee , right???? As Kathy Griffin says, allegedly.
I agree with both of you it bizarre but Casey has always pulled things out of her ass since the beginning. The thing Casey says about Zanny the Nanny are bizarre and don't make sense. Also Casey made up two imaginary roommates for Zanny Raquel Farrell and Jennifer Rosa. Neither exist and this was confirmed through TGIFridays and another company because they didn't have those individuals on record. I find it funny that Casey claims Zanny has money but yet she works as a nanny and has roommates. I found it weird that in the jail videos neither Cindy or George seemed to get upset with Casey when she mentioned giving Zanny a key. I love Kathy Griffin too.

[Spider]

In the jailhouse interviews it was Cindy that LEAD the Liar to say ANYTHING about a key. The Liar said nothing until CINDY mentioned a key and her response was a hesitating, "I told you I gave 'her' a key about a year ago." Or something to that effect. BS BS BS BS!!!!!!!

If there is a jury any where in this entire country that finds ANY reasonable doubt I will lose all hope in justice.

I still firmly believe that every one of the Anthony's KNEW and covered and lied and lied and covered and then lied some more like a cat in a litter box. I think it is time for the 'denial gig' to end.

I would hope against hope that LE follows through with any charges they can file against them all for obstruction of jutice. Even their new 'attorney' did not deny that LE could "come up with something". Something my flat arse!!

[Gatordog]

Capt. Angelo Nieves is speaking to the media right now. He says they will be at the site as long as they need to be and no body is going to rush them. He said they will be there at least a few more days. He did confirm that an anthropologist has been on site. Regarding the search warrant - he won't say what was taken A bug specialist and a botonist are also on site. So there Dr. Baden! :cuss:

The warrant is a secret warrant, it has not been given to the Anthonys or their attorney, although it has been filed but not open.

Supposedly bones have been found right behind the house. You should see the big roots, trees and branches that are being carried away by csi. The reason is because small animals may have carried something away and it would have been left in a tree or bush. By the time the defense gets to the site, there won't even be dirt left. :D

Sorry if I have repeated anything already said. I was in a 2 hr mtg and haven't check prior posts yet before watching the news.

[FDInLaw]

Capt. Angelo Nieves is speaking to the media right now. He says they will be at the site as long as they need to be and no body is going to rush them. He said they will be there at least a few more days. He did confirm that an anthropologist has been on site. Regarding the search warrant - he won't say what was taken A bug specialist and a botonist are also on site. So there Dr. Baden! :cuss:

The warrant is a secret warrant, it has not been given to the Anthonys or their attorney, although it has been filed but not open.

Supposedly bones have been found right behind the house. You should see the big roots, trees and branches that are being carried away by csi. The reason is because small animals may have carried something away and it would have been left in a tree or bush. By the time the defense gets to the site, there won't even be dirt left. :D

Sorry if I have repeated anything already said. I was in a 2 hr mtg and haven't check prior posts yet before watching the news.Thank you for posting this. . . it's news to me!

[Spider]

So the defense is leaving no stone unturned so to speak. Good.

A part of me does feel sad for the family and what they are going through but Cindy (and George) now have made it hard for me to garner much sympathy due to their blatant lies and accusations towards anyone but the Liar. Are they still going to be defending her when she is convicted?

[Gatordog]

My response to this article. Posted on 12-15-08


Your are right, Caylee was more then a flyer. She was also more then garbage that was thrown into the woods, after she had her mouth duct taped, so no one would here her cries. She was also more than a nuisance that by all accounts got in the way of her mother parting ways. She was also more then an excuse for her mother to steal from everyone, in order to pursue her lifestyle.

Your article mention that the Grandparents have not given up hope that the supposed sightings of this litttle girl in all areas of this country and overseas where true. As we know now....they weren't. None of the storys that seem to come out of the mouth of Cindy and George are true.

Cindy once said that her and Casey were very much alike. When it comes to truisms, she is correct.

But isn't Casey lucky that her mother did not do to her what she did to her daughter? Then again, if Cindy did, then we would not have had this tragedy occur, and you.....would not be in the spotlight...would you?

A lot of people say that anyone that got involved with this case of murder was in it for the glamour, monies, attention. I think you are as well.

As for the Anthony's....for a couple of grandparents that had no money to pay their bills or mortgage, they seem to be enjoying their time at the Ritz Carlton while eating $100 dollar a plate dinners. Perhaps they are in this for the money as well??

The fact that you have the audacity to write an article concerning the treatment of the Anthonys, when they are probably guilty of obstruction and lying under oath, shows me that you are one of those people that your article trys to hammer. You are in this for the spotlight as well. And I hope that you can live with the fact that you are the spokesperson for someone of such low character and the parents of a monster.

Perhaps it would have been better for Cindy to have treated her daughter the way Casey treated hers. But then again Cindy might have used something other then duct tape to cover the mouth of a screaming little girl that was wondering what she did so wrong to have her mother, the one she trusted so much, create her so much pain.

You said in your article "So here we are, five months later, is there hope? YES,"

And I agree with you there is some hope. That we all get to remember Caylee as the pure, innocent angel she was, that was raised by a highly disfunctional family, and murdered by her own mother.

There is some hope....That some of us get to witness the final moments of Casey Anthony, as she is lead to her death penalty. Unfortunatly, for us...the public.....we will give her a more humane death then she gave to her own daughter.

I see these reply's are moderated and this one will never see the light of day on this website.

But I will post your link and my reply to it on 13 other websites, so that more of the public can see you for what you are...a spokesperson for a grandmother of a murderer.

Good day.

Mac A.
Edgewater, Forida


Mac, I have no words that would do justice in telling you how perfect this is.

[Twinners]

I went to read through some of today's news articles and found this:

12:25 p.m.
Brad Conway, attorney and spokesman for George and Cindy Anthony, reads a statement from the Anthony family, asking for continued privacy. Read More

In the statement, George and Cindy Anthony say if the remains are Caylee's, the babysitter Casey Anthony says she left Caylee with may have played a role in her death.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/12/minutetominute_update_in_remains_discovery_12_11.h tml

Which, of course, made my blood boil... until I read this:

"Jose Baez, Casey's attorney, said George and Cindy Anthony maintain Caylee was kidnapped by a babysitter, and if the remains are Caylee's, the babysitter likely played a role in her death."

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/15/is_it_caylee.html

So it was Jose who said it for them, not George and Cindy themselves. That kind of thing really ticks me off. If they would have wanted him to speak for them, he'd be their attorney too.

[lorettalockhorn]

In the jailhouse interviews it was Cindy that LEAD the Liar to say ANYTHING about a key. The Liar said nothing until CINDY mentioned a key and her response was a hesitating, "I told you I gave 'her' a key about a year ago." Or something to that effect. BS BS BS BS!!!!!!!

If there is a jury any where in this entire country that finds ANY reasonable doubt I will lose all hope in justice.

I still firmly believe that every one of the Anthony's KNEW and covered and lied and lied and covered and then lied some more like a cat in a litter box. I think it is time for the 'denial gig' to end.

I would hope against hope that LE follows through with any charges they can file against them all for obstruction of jutice. Even their new 'attorney' did not deny that LE could "come up with something". Something my flat arse!!

Something hit me today like the proverbial ton of bricks: the things that The Four Fingers discussed in the jailhouse videos are things that could have been said at any time in private before Casey was arrested, or in between arrests, or while she was on house arrest (even though they weren't supposed to discuss the case). I think that most of what they talked about was for the camera. I think it was like a skit that they put on for the audience; us. Just in case they got published, leaked, reported, or whatever. It may not have been well rehearsed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was rehearsed. And I wouldn't be surprised if the reason that Casey stressed that she feels Caylee is nearby/somewhere familiar to the family, is so that just in case Caylee's remains were discovered, she could insist that the real kidnappers/the real Zenaida saw those videos and knew to put Caylee within spitting distance.

Whether or not the time of death or dumping the remains can be determined won't matter; the Anthonys made is clear that they don't put faith in science when they pooh-poohed the lab results of the trunk.

[Gatordog]

Fox 35 says Baez is filing a motion to have him team do a second autopsy. I guess as long as the family raises no objections, the judge would grant this request. Poor Caylee, I can only guess that grandma and grandpa are going to protect the Liar at this point. The Liar has won.

[Justice Denied?]

Yep, that's pretty much the scene that Cindy showed GVS when they went through the house. Cindy does look sad and vulnerable in that pic.

Look closely everyone!
that is a Winnie the Pooh bedspread. You can see Piglet in the background. It is very distinctive. Somebody better hope Casey didn't use the sheet to this set.

[Spider]

The jailhouse videos visits DID play out like a junior high school skit. Cindy even had notes with her she kept referring too at times it looked like. Many have said it was poor acting on all of their parts. I bet Cindy came up with all of this and then lead the Liar just for the cameras.

Where is old Jose? Haven't heard a peep from the Liars so called attorney in nearly twelve hours I think.

[lorettalockhorn]

Capt. Angelo Nieves is speaking to the media right now. He says they will be at the site as long as they need to be and no body is going to rush them. He said they will be there at least a few more days. He did confirm that an anthropologist has been on site. Regarding the search warrant - he won't say what was taken A bug specialist and a botonist are also on site. So there Dr. Baden! :cuss:

The warrant is a secret warrant, it has not been given to the Anthonys or their attorney, although it has been filed but not open.

Supposedly bones have been found right behind the house. You should see the big roots, trees and branches that are being carried away by csi. The reason is because small animals may have carried something away and it would have been left in a tree or bush. By the time the defense gets to the site, there won't even be dirt left. :D

Sorry if I have repeated anything already said. I was in a 2 hr mtg and haven't check prior posts yet before watching the news.

Bones found behind the Anthony house? Or the neighbor's house behind where the skull was found? I wouldn't think that it would be necessary to serve a warrant on the Anthonys for the property belonging to someone else. Do we know where to see this news conference?

[Justice Denied?]

Privacy schmivacy. What was that sashay yesterday with the teddy bear all about?

Man, I need to whip up a batch of eggnog and/or drink a batch of eggnog or something.

Sort of off-track, but when I read that I thought about the comment that psychopaths have no real emotions so they watch others to see what is proper. In other words, Cindy is conducting herself in the way she thinks she should. Would she have been in church yesterday if the body hadn't been found?

[lorettalockhorn]

Sort of off-track, but when I read that I thought about the comment that psychopaths have no real emotions so they watch others to see what is proper. In other words, Cindy is conducting herself in the way she thinks she should. Would she have been in church yesterday if the body hadn't been found?

Good question. Yesterday is the first time that I've seen her going to a church function that wasn't a vigil.

[Gatordog]

Forensics people removed a pillow from the Anthony home that had little polka dots on it. It was probably a sham. Evidently this is the same fabric from the comforter on Caylee's bed. I think something from the comforter set was used to wrap her in - or maybe the matching sheet to the set.

That's what I was thinking. No one would have known it was gone if the Liar remade her bed. Without the child sleeping there, cindy wouldn't know the sheet was gone. I bet they too all the bedding from the bed.

[Justice Denied?]

Maybe they are going to send Casey down the river?

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The new lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony spoke to the public Monday (watch video). He said he didn't know about plans to prosecute them on charges related to the case, but he did tell Eyewitness News that he is seeking immunity for Caylee's grandparents.

Attorney Brad Conway says he just wants to make sure his clients are protected. He wants to make sure charges aren't filed later.


George and Cindy Anthony were not ready to address the media, but issued a statement (read statement) through their attorney Monday. The Anthonys do not plan on making a public statement until the remains found near their home are identified.

Conway said the family is realistic, but hopeful it's not Caylee.

"The last six months have been the hardest six months of our lives and we understand that the ongoing investigation and prosecution of our daughter, Casey, will consume our lives with conflict," Conway read from the statement. "Based on recent developments we are realistic but continue to hope and pray that these remains are not those of our precious granddaughter Caylee Marie."

Once the medical examiner and the defense examine the remains, the remains, if Caylee's, will be released to the Anthonys.

"If it is Caylee Marie, they will make proper burial," Conway told Eyewitness News.

Eyewitness News reported last week that sources close to the investigation said they are possibly building a case against Caylee's grandparents for obstruction of justice. Sources told Eyewitness News, if charges were pursued, it would be after the remains were identified and it would come from the forensic evidence that was recently taken from the Anthony home.

"They have cooperated. They have done nothing," Conway said.

Conway said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives later this week to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.
"We will not speculate. If the attorney officially decides to ask our office, well will address it then," said Danielle Taverneri, spokesperson for the State Attorney's Office.

Conway admits the Anthonys have made conflicting statements in the past. They will be re-interviewed by investigators. He said, for the next interview they give to authorities, there will not be any conflicting statements.

How many people think that the Anthonys will actually be reinterviewed? My guess is that the Attorney General will deny immunity and they will not say a damn thing. Any takers??
Attorney Brad Conway also said he is representing the Anthonys for free.

How many people actually believe that the Anthonys will be reintervieed? My guess is that the Attornet General will deny immunity and the Anthonys won't say a damn thing. Why do they need immunity if they haven't done anything anyway?

[Justice Denied?]

Sounds like you've got the afternoon covered, let me know when you're ready for a) your 5:00 cocktail, and b) your nightcap. tehee

I hear ya! as my dad uses to say, "This mess would cause a preacher to take a drink." Maybe it would make more sense if I were intoxicated.

[Gatordog]

another one....

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That little girl had everything in the world but the most important thing - a mother who loved her.

[Justice Denied?]

[QUOTE=old_soul;9145943]

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Now I had to get up and go potty tp keep from wetting myself. This has GOT to stop, you two.

[Gatordog]

Bones found behind the Anthony house? Or the neighbor's house behind where the skull was found? I wouldn't think that it would be necessary to serve a warrant on the Anthonys for the property belonging to someone else. Do we know where to see this news conference?

I believe it was WKMG that said bones were found behind the house (I'm taking that to be in the woods that isn't part of their property). Myfoxorlando had the press conference.

[Justice Denied?]

Capt. Angelo Nieves is speaking to the media right now. He says they will be at the site as long as they need to be and no body is going to rush them. He said they will be there at least a few more days. He did confirm that an anthropologist has been on site. Regarding the search warrant - he won't say what was taken A bug specialist and a botonist are also on site. So there Dr. Baden! :cuss:

The warrant is a secret warrant, it has not been given to the Anthonys or their attorney, although it has been filed but not open.

Supposedly bones have been found right behind the house. You should see the big roots, trees and branches that are being carried away by csi. The reason is because small animals may have carried something away and it would have been left in a tree or bush. By the time the defense gets to the site, there won't even be dirt left. :D

Sorry if I have repeated anything already said. I was in a 2 hr mtg and haven't check prior posts yet before watching the news.

Is the secret warrant you are speaking of a search warrant for the house or something else?

[Its just me]

I read their statement as soon as I signed on a few minutes ago. I think they will help the prosecution build their case against Casey.

In one of her interviews, Cindy said she would forgive whoever had Caylee if they brought her back unharmed. The way she said it made it clear all bets were off if anything happened to Caylee. Well, something did happen to her and Casey is responsible for it. I think it will kill both Cindy and George to have to do it, but I expect to see them fully cooperate with the authorities in building a case against Casey now.

I don't see them having any other choice....I don't believe "bringing charges against them" was brought out only to inform the public. The A's may not absorb it yet but their new attorney does. It's time for the truth or else. A good thing in MHOO fep

[FDInLaw]

I don't see them having any other choice....I don't believe "bringing charges against them" was brought out only to inform the public. The A's may not absorb it yet but their new attorney does. It's time for the truth or else. A good thing in MHOO fep
This is the deciding moment. . . will they go down with their daughter, or will they face the truth. ITA w/ U!

If Cindy and George really believed in the kidnap theory, why is immunity even being mentioned? You have got to wonder. Now that a body has been found, they must know that they are in the proverbial hot seat real good this time.

[Twinners]

The family has hired a new attorney and spokesman, Brad Conway, and he said George and Cindy Anthony have nothing to hide and will work with law enforcement.

"They've cooperated. They've done everything they can and understand this is their daughter, and imagine your daughter, your only daughter, being charged with first-degree murder of your only grandchild," Conway said.

During a press conference on Monday afternoon, Conway said the Anthonys are not grieving because they don't know who the remains belong to.

Conway said that if the bones are Caylee's, once the medical examiner is finished, the bones will be released to the Anthonys for proper burial.

He also spoke about neighbors of the Anthonys selling false stories to the media. If false stories are sold he said will be looking into pursuing some sort of legal action, but right now the Anthony's are looking for some privacy.

Conway confirmed George and Cindy Anthony have give new fingerprints and DNA samples to the FBI, but that is only to exclude them as potential suspects and nothing else, Conway stressed.

"They are not the subject of a prosecution. I would characterize them as potential state witnesses," Conway said.

Conway said George and Cindy Anthony only want to help determine if the child is Caylee and who may have killed her.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18278896/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=FDInLaw;9145946]
Now I had to get up and go potty tp keep from wetting myself. This has GOT to stop, you two.

Cancha just take your laptop to the Little Girls' Room and save yourself some steps? Or go the foley catheter route??

[Its just me]

That little girl had everything in the world but the most important thing - a mother who loved her.


I thought the same thing when I looked at the photo of the pretty room and watched the video of Caylee. She had to have been a smart little girl... at the beginning of the video she was humming a song.

As some other posters I am a Mom who have lost a child. Having all their things as they left them is precious but difficult. Knowing Caylee's remains were left to be scattered by animals is tearing my heart out. I am soooo humbly grateful I had a whole body to view and bury and not bits and pieces it took days to find. Poor Poor little innocent Caylee...she did not deserve this. :rose: The good thing is she is now at peace and not involved in all the turmoil. fep

[Mac]

Mac, I have no words that would do justice in telling you how perfect this is.

Thanks Gator

That means a lot to me:beer:

[FDInLaw]

I thought the same thing when I looked at the photo of the pretty room and watched the video of Caylee. She had to have been a smart little girl... at the beginning of the video she was humming a song.

As some other posters I am a Mom who have lost a child. Having all their things as they left them is precious but difficult. Knowing Caylee's remains were left to be scattered by animals is tearing my heart out. I am soooo humbly grateful I had a whole body to view and bury and not bits and pieces it took days to find. Poor Poor little innocent Caylee...she did not deserve this. :rose: The good thing is she is now at peace and not involved in all the turmoil. fep
HUGGERS, Fep! :rose:

[FDInLaw]

[QUOTE=Justice Denied?;9145985]

Cancha just take your laptop to the Little Girls' Room and save yourself some steps? Or go the foley catheter route??
What is wrong with the quote function today? I did not make the potty run statement lol! :D

[Gatordog]

Good question. Yesterday is the first time that I've seen her going to a church function that wasn't a vigil.

They have been shown in the past leaving the house or returning on Sunday mornings to attend services.

[lorettalockhorn]

I believe it was WKMG that said bones were found behind the house (I'm taking that to be in the woods that isn't part of their property). Myfoxorlando had the press conference.

Thanks! :seeya: Didn't find anything on the myfoxorlando site, but did see Angelo Nieves on HNN. Was hoping that cnn.com/live would post the conference, but don't see it yet. Surely JV-M and NG will have it all coming up.

[Gatordog]

Is the secret warrant you are speaking of a search warrant for the house or something else?

Search warrant for the house - it was a sealed warrant. They don't even know for sure what was taken.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9145995]
What is wrong with the quote function today? I did not make the potty run statement lol! :D

Yeah. Right. Uh huh. Whatever. :rolleyes: :hat:

(Seems like the board went through a period of doing that once before on the Nona thread.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Search warrant for the house - it was a sealed warrant. They don't even know for sure what was taken.

The Ants' house? So they weren't there and the house was searched again?

[Gatordog]

The family has hired a new attorney and spokesman, Brad Conway, and he said George and Cindy Anthony have nothing to hide and will work with law enforcement.

"They've cooperated. They've done everything they can and understand this is their daughter, and imagine your daughter, your only daughter, being charged with first-degree murder of your only grandchild," Conway said.

During a press conference on Monday afternoon, Conway said the Anthonys are not grieving because they don't know who the remains belong to.

Conway said that if the bones are Caylee's, once the medical examiner is finished, the bones will be released to the Anthonys for proper burial.

He also spoke about neighbors of the Anthonys selling false stories to the media. If false stories are sold he said will be looking into pursuing some sort of legal action, but right now the Anthony's are looking for some privacy.

Conway confirmed George and Cindy Anthony have give new fingerprints and DNA samples to the FBI, but that is only to exclude them as potential suspects and nothing else, Conway stressed.

"They are not the subject of a prosecution. I would characterize them as potential state witnesses," Conway said.

Conway said George and Cindy Anthony only want to help determine if the child is Caylee and who may have killed her.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18278896/detail.html

I'm guessing that he is referring to the screaming match on the 15th.

[Gatordog]

The Ants' house? So they weren't there and the house was searched again?

No, this warrant information relates to the search on Thursday night/ Friday morning.

[RaVeN71806]

You know what angers me is when C&G found out that there was a body found...not one of them went to the site...if that was me in there shoes I would of been there making a scene to see my child...is it me or do any of you guy feel the same way? to me that makes me think ever more of there guilt of this...they need to wake up already this IS Caylee and Casey killed her...strangers people who never met this little girl went there and layed flowers and other special little gifts...what did C&G bring her? I'm sorry I have no respect, no sympathy just anger towards them...if casey was my daughter you bet your butt I would be down her throat...she would be begging them to put her in jail...ok I'm done venting now..

[Gatordog]

I agree with both of you it bizarre but Casey has always pulled things out of her ass since the beginning. The thing Casey says about Zanny the Nanny are bizarre and don't make sense. Also Casey made up two imaginary roommates for Zanny Raquel Farrell and Jennifer Rosa. Neither exist and this was confirmed through TGIFridays and another company because they didn't have those individuals on record. I find it funny that Casey claims Zanny has money but yet she works as a nanny and has roommates. I found it weird that in the jail videos neither Cindy or George seemed to get upset with Casey when she mentioned giving Zanny a key. I love Kathy Griffin too.

You know, the Liar even invented these names to get her mother riled up and probably to get her to believe the story. Evidence documents showed that Hispanic friends of the Liar said that Cindy did not like Hispanic people and didn't want them in her house. They said George was no problem and was friendly, Cindy was outwardly unfriendly to them. It's in those 400 pages that were released.

[FDInLaw]

You know what angers me is when C&G found out that there was a body found...not one of them went to the site...if that was me in there shoes I would of been there making a scene to see my child...is it me or do any of you guy feel the same way? to me that makes me think ever more of there guilt of this...they need to wake up already this IS Caylee and Casey killed her...strangers people who never met this little girl went there and layed flowers and other special little gifts...what did C&G bring her? I'm sorry I have no respect, no sympathy just anger towards them...if casey was my daughter you bet your butt I would be down her throat...she would be begging them to put her in jail...ok I'm done venting now..

I hear you and agree. When Nona died three years ago, they had to hold her Mom, Carol back when she arrived on the crime scene. . . she kept saying "I want to see my baby!" and crying uncontrollably. This is a normal response!

It's like C&G are hiding from the truth. . . . putting it off as long as possible. MOO

[Gatordog]

If you're watching JVM you can see the large bushes and tree trunks the investigators are carting off. By the time they finish, the defense is going to look in the hole and see China. :D

[FDInLaw]

If you're watching JVM you can see the large bushes and tree trunks the investigators are carting off. By the time they finish, the defense is going to look in the hole and see China. :D Let's hope they push their client in! *hiccup*

Did I just write that??? :punch:

[Justice Denied?]

I read their statement as soon as I signed on a few minutes ago. I think they will help the prosecution build their case against Casey.

In one of her interviews, Cindy said she would forgive whoever had Caylee if they brought her back unharmed. The way she said it made it clear all bets were off if anything happened to Caylee. Well, something did happen to her and Casey is responsible for it. I think it will kill both Cindy and George to have to do it, but I expect to see them fully cooperate with the authorities in building a case against Casey now.
So George and Cindy are going to sell their daughtr down the river to save their own butts? That's real nice.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, the Liar even invented these names to get her mother riled up and probably to get her to believe the story. Evidence documents showed that Hispanic friends of the Liar said that Cindy did not like Hispanic people and didn't want them in her house. They said George was no problem and was friendly, Cindy was outwardly unfriendly to them. It's in those 400 pages that were released.

If Cindy doesn't like Hispanics you have to wonder how well she gets along with her neighbors at all considering their surnames (referencing the Chickasaw Oaks property records).

[javahog]

I know mom and dad have made themselves conspicuous, buy how do you guys feel about Lee? Almost every time I've seen him, he has activated my antenna reflex...

[Justice Denied?]

[QUOTE=Justice Denied?;9145985]

Cancha just take your laptop to the Little Girls' Room and save yourself some steps? Or go the foley catheter route??
Loretta,

I said STOP!!! Don't have laptop, only desktop. Can't afford cathater service. So I asked Santa to bring me a chamber pot. So you have to behave til then. LOL

[Its just me]

I know most of the snip below has been discussed but while doing some reading I saw where George (GA) reports to LE (YM) that the guy who went with George to look in the trunk told him He would get rid of the smell and George said but it never went away. See what I put in bold.
To me this clearly looks like something was done to the car to get rid of the smell....Its too late now and I can only hope the guy didn't spray anything or use anything to destroy the forensics in the trunk.

The link for snip is below and the part I retyped is on page 24. This a snip of the recorded conversation Georgia had with LE after he called them on July 24 wanting to meet with them. The conversation begins on page 22. Some interesting reading for anyone who hasn't read.
YM: Yeah (affirmative)
GA: You know and I smell and I’m like, “oh, God.” I tried to start the car for a second and I said, “No, Goerge if there’s something wrong. You got to find out now. You can’t take it away” I told the guy, I said, Will you please walk around the back of this car and look inside this with me?” As I walked around, I don’t believe I said to him you know aloud and I, I think I whispered out to myself “Please don’t let this be my Caylee.” That’s what I thought. That’s what I, my heart was saying. I opened it up and that’s when I was that bag. I did see a stain. I think it’s right about where the spare tire was at”
(refer to transcript page 22 line 16 to page 24 line 1)
GA: So that’s what I, I said. The guy said, Sir, I’ll take care of it. I’ll get rid of it” But the smell never went away. When I dorve around I told my wife. I said “This car stinks so bad I can’t , I don’t know how I can drive it home. Etc etc etc.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-casey-anthony-ims,0,5981464.htmlpage

[FDInLaw]

I know mom and dad have made themselves conspicuous, buy how do you guys feel about Lee? Almost every time I've seen him, he has activated my antenna reflex...
The way Lee removed the flowers and such that were placed outside his parent's home bothered me!
What? Caylee didn't live there too? Oh, that's right, we are still pretending she is alive.

I hope that Caylee's body is identified “officially” soon. Enough with the nonsense.




MOO

[javahog]

I know most of the snip below has been discussed but while doing some reading I saw where George (GA) reports to LE (YM) that the guy who went with George to look in the trunk told him He would get rid of the smell and George said but it never went away. See what I put in bold.
To me this clearly looks like something was done to the car to get rid of the smell....Its too late now and I can only hope the guy didn't spray anything or use anything to destroy the forensics in the trunk.

The link for snip is below and the part I retyped is on page 24. This a snip of the recorded conversation Georgia had with LE after he called them on July 24 wanting to meet with them. The conversation begins on page 22. Some interesting reading for anyone who hasn't read.
YM: Yeah (affirmative)
GA: You know and I smell and I’m like, “oh, God.” I tried to start the car for a second and I said, “No, Goerge if there’s something wrong. You got to find out now. You can’t take it away” I told the guy, I said, Will you please walk around the back of this car and look inside this with me?” As I walked around, I don’t believe I said to him you know aloud and I, I think I whispered out to myself “Please don’t let this be my Caylee.” That’s what I thought. That’s what I, my heart was saying. I opened it up and that’s when I was that bag. I did see a stain. I think it’s right about where the spare tire was at”
(refer to transcript page 22 line 16 to page 24 line 1)
GA: So that’s what I, I said. The guy said, Sir, I’ll take care of it. I’ll get rid of it” But the smell never went away. When I dorve around I told my wife. I said “This car stinks so bad I can’t , I don’t know how I can drive it home. Etc etc etc.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-casey-anthony-ims,0,5981464.htmlpage

I sure hope the guy didn't dump the ingredients for chloroform in there instead of a tree shaped air freshener...

[Justice Denied?]

Alright, enough Haterade for you. You're cut off. LOL

[One2Snoop]

December 15, 2008 - 3:30 PM: Investigators from the Orange County Sheriff's Office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to process the crime scene where the remains of a young child were discovered on December 11, 2008 by an Orange County utilities worker. The scene continues to produce items of evidentiary value that relate to the discovery of the child's body however investigators will not discuss specific details pertaining to the evidence recovered from the scene. Detectives can not say how long they will continue to process the crime scene other than to confirm that the processing will continue until they are certain that everything of evidentiary value has been recovered. Investigators also advised that they have not positively identified the remains of the victim recovered from the wooded area just off of Suburban Drive in Southeast Orange County. Updates on this investigation will be provided as they become available.

http://www.ocso.com/Default.aspx?tabid=547

[Its just me]

The way Lee removed the flowers and such that were placed outside his parent's home bothered me!
What? Caylee didn't live there too? Oh, that's right, we are still pretending she is alive.

I hope that Caylee's body is identified “officially” soon. Enough with the nonsense.




MOO

I think we will have to wait for an official ID until the investigators are finished searching the area for evidence....I'll be surprised if they chance the dream team defense gaining access to poke their noses where they don't belong at this point. My guess and opinion anyway. fep

[Gatordog]

If Cindy doesn't like Hispanics you have to wonder how well she gets along with her neighbors at all considering their surnames (referencing the Chickasaw Oaks property records).

Exactly - one of the neighbors confirmed that she would rarely speak to them.

[javahog]

The way Lee removed the flowers and such that were placed outside his parent's home bothered me!
What? Caylee didn't live there too? Oh, that's right, we are still pretending she is alive.

I hope that Caylee's body is identified “officially” soon. Enough with the nonsense.




MOO

If anyone helped, which I kind of doubt though, my money's on him. They were so close she named her daughter a combination of their names (boy, does that go to the narcissism thing!) Didn't he refuse to give a dna sample or something kind of early on? (sorry for not being totally on top of everything, I just had a baby and was distracted...). moo

[One2Snoop]

Just heard on NG - Henry Lee is working probono and so is the Anthony's new attorney - Conway.

Geeee Casey you're so lucky to have all these high profiled people on your side. Not that its going to help you any. :no:

[lorettalockhorn]

The way Lee removed the flowers and such that were placed outside his parent's home bothered me!
What? Caylee didn't live there too? Oh, that's right, we are still pretending she is alive.

I hope that Caylee's body is identified “officially” soon. Enough with the nonsense.




MOO

M Baden has said over and over, and Janie Weintraub(sp?) just reiterated that before DNA came to the fore, forensic IDs were always made. To a degree, I think the delay in the official identification is to appease G&C.

[FDInLaw]

I think we will have to wait for an official ID until the investigators are finished searching the area for evidence....I'll be surprised if they chance the dream team defense gaining access to poke their noses where they don't belong at this point. My guess and opinion anyway. fep
You're right, again (as always :) ). It is best that they take their time.

LE better remove any trash within a mile radius. The defense will try their darnedest to put another poor soul at the scene. I'm just saying. . .

[samanthajane13]

"To me this clearly looks like something was done to the car to get rid of the smell....Its too late now and I can only hope the guy didn't spray anything or use anything to destroy the forensics in the trunk."

But even if they DID spray stuff in there to get rid of the smell, forensics will pick of the evidence of THAT PRODUCT, be able to identify it-and it's uses, and know the car's been tampered with, and can present that as proof of C & G having obstructed the law!!!

And LE has a copy of that conversation, so C & G can't deny what they said or that the guy offered to "fix" the smell, and G let him!

[lorettalockhorn]

Just heard on NG - Henry Lee is working probono and so is the Anthony's new attorney - Conway.

Geeee Casey you're so lucky to have all these high profiled people on your side. Not that its going to help you any. :no:

Yep, it's an obligation to his profession. Was it an obligation to his profession to destroy evidence in the Spector case? Where he was hired DAY ONE? And was present at the crime scene? (I might add.)

[Gatordog]

I sure hope the guy didn't dump the ingredients for chloroform in there instead of a tree shaped air freshener...

All he did was remove the plastic bag which the police later retrieved that same night.

[javahog]

Just heard on NG - Henry Lee is working probono and so is the Anthony's new attorney - Conway.

Geeee Casey you're so lucky to have all these high profiled people on your side. Not that its going to help you any. :no:

It must be some kind of intellectual challenge to them, proving they shoot holes in any evidence. Whee, I'm so smart, s-m-r-t! Nice to think of Caylee as some kind of big Rubik's cube...:flamemad:

imo

[Its just me]

"To me this clearly looks like something was done to the car to get rid of the smell....Its too late now and I can only hope the guy didn't spray anything or use anything to destroy the forensics in the trunk."

But even if they DID spray stuff in there to get rid of the smell, forensics will pick of the evidence of THAT PRODUCT, be able to identify it-and it's uses, and know the car's been tampered with, and can present that as proof of C & G having obstructed the law!!!

And LE has a copy of that conversation, so C & G can't deny what they said or that the guy offered to "fix" the smell, and G let him!

Thanks, Your correct and that's a relief....I wonder if at this point the left arm knows what the right arm has done and know what to look for?? fep

[Its just me]

All he did was remove the plastic bag which the police later retrieved that same night.

Now that makes much better sense and the bag of trash is discussed in the link. My bad...I'm well know to hunt boogers ;) fep

[Gatordog]

How do you put tape across a child's mouth? I don't care if Caylee was already dead when she did it. The worst part is I can clearly see the Liar's face in my mind as she was doing it. Remember that look she had - that smirk - when she was wearing the blue hoodie and was handcuffed? She was excited over the attention and was trying hard not to laugh.

[mu8shark]

Okay so Cindy and George say they still think it was a Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny, who killed Caylee. just not the one that is suing. Okay so let me play Devils Advocate for a minute and say Yes okay maybe it was another Zenaida. Now, bear with me here, if the reason Casey was keeping quiet and lying about where she really lived and her phone number and all that was because she was afraid that Zenaida might harm Caylee, then since the ultimate did happen, Now would be the time for Casey to give up the real address, the real phone number, right? Because if you dropped off a child for nearly a year, you would know where that was ,right? And lets be realistic there should be a phone number you could remember, right? I mean she has watched her for a year, right? So maybe now she can give out where either Samantha the sister lived or where Gloria the mother lived right? Because then Casey can get the real killers, right? I mean now that the ultimate horrible thing has happened there is no reason to remain silent or lie anymore, right?? And if Casey does not want to talk to the Sheriff, just call the FBI like she said she would and talk to them, because with the true info, then they can pick up the REAL Zenaida, right? And the charges could be dropped.? Right! Okay I will be waiting for this to happen, because it would be logical, right?? Why do I think I will be waiting a long time for this all to happen? What other excuse can she have now for not telling the real truth and giving real info? And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?

[browneyes106]

You know, the Liar even invented these names to get her mother riled up and probably to get her to believe the story. Evidence documents showed that Hispanic friends of the Liar said that Cindy did not like Hispanic people and didn't want them in her house. They said George was no problem and was friendly, Cindy was outwardly unfriendly to them. It's in those 400 pages that were released.

Good point. I have read about Cindy's intolerance of Hispanics. I can see Casey lying about imaginary Hispanic people to get Cindy riled up.

[One2Snoop]

Okay so Cindy and George say they still think it was a Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny, who killed Caylee. just not the one that is suing. Okay so let me play Devils Advocate for a minute and say Yes okay maybe it was another Zenaida. Now, bear with me here, if the reason Casey was keeping quiet and lying about where she really lived and her phone number and all that was because she was afraid that Zenaida might harm Caylee, then since the ultimate did happen, Now would be the time for Casey to give up the real address, the real phone number, right? Because if you dropped off a child for nearly a year, you would know where that was ,right? And lets be realistic there should be a phone number you could remember, right? I mean she has watched her for a year, right? So maybe now she can give out where either Samantha the sister lived or where Gloria the mother lived right? Because then Casey can get the real killers, right? I mean now that the ultimate horrible thing has happened there is no reason to remain silent or lie anymore, right?? And if Casey does not want to talk to the Sheriff, just call the FBI like she said she would and talk to them, because with the true info, then they can pick up the REAL Zenaida, right? And the charges could be dropped.? Right! Okay I will be waiting for this to happen, because it would be logical, right?? Why do I think I will be waiting a long time for this all to happen? What other excuse can she have now for not telling the real truth and giving real info? And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?


Right! Right! Right! Right!

[Gatordog]

Okay so Cindy and George say they still think it was a Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny, who killed Caylee. just not the one that is suing. Okay so let me play Devils Advocate for a minute and say Yes okay maybe it was another Zenaida. Now, bear with me here, if the reason Casey was keeping quiet and lying about where she really lived and her phone number and all that was because she was afraid that Zenaida might harm Caylee, then since the ultimate did happen, Now would be the time for Casey to give up the real address, the real phone number, right? Because if you dropped off a child for nearly a year, you would know where that was ,right? And lets be realistic there should be a phone number you could remember, right? I mean she has watched her for a year, right? So maybe now she can give out where either Samantha the sister lived or where Gloria the mother lived right? Because then Casey can get the real killers, right? I mean now that the ultimate horrible thing has happened there is no reason to remain silent or lie anymore, right?? And if Casey does not want to talk to the Sheriff, just call the FBI like she said she would and talk to them, because with the true info, then they can pick up the REAL Zenaida, right? And the charges could be dropped.? Right! Okay I will be waiting for this to happen, because it would be logical, right?? Why do I think I will be waiting a long time for this all to happen? What other excuse can she have now for not telling the real truth and giving real info? And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?

Right! Very brilliant conclusions.

[mu8shark]

I know mom and dad have made themselves conspicuous, buy how do you guys feel about Lee? Almost every time I've seen him, he has activated my antenna reflex... Let me stress this is just of course an opinion. Lee either knows more than he is saying or he is staying far away because he is embarassed and overwhelmed that both his sister is a murdering , lying slug and his mother is a controlling, crazed woman. And the whole situation is just beyond him. so it is hard to say. I do recall him saying oddly Casey was telling the truth to the best of her ability.

[mu8shark]

Right! Very brilliant conclusions. Gator, Snoop , then we are all waiting, right ? Yeah right we'll see how that goes! When that happens I will personally apologize to the whole Anthony family when they arrest and convict the real Zenaida.

[browneyes106]

How do you put tape across a child's mouth? I don't care if Caylee was already dead when she did it. The worst part is I can clearly see the Liar's face in my mind as she was doing it. Remember that look she had - that smirk - when she was wearing the blue hoodie and was handcuffed? She was excited over the attention and was trying hard not to laugh.

That smirk has always haunted me. If she really was innocent she would have been crying and upset while being hauled away in handcuffs. The liar's behavior and attitude reminds me a lot of Jodi Ann Arias who murdered her boyfriend Travis Alexander in Arizona. Jodi displays a lot of the same behavior that Casey does. If you do a google search for Jodi Arias you find several articles and links to video interviews where Jodi is basically calm in her interviews and makes up bogus execuses.

[javahog]

Okay so Cindy and George say they still think it was a Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny, who killed Caylee. just not the one that is suing. Okay so let me play Devils Advocate for a minute and say Yes okay maybe it was another Zenaida. Now, bear with me here, if the reason Casey was keeping quiet and lying about where she really lived and her phone number and all that was because she was afraid that Zenaida might harm Caylee, then since the ultimate did happen, Now would be the time for Casey to give up the real address, the real phone number, right? Because if you dropped off a child for nearly a year, you would know where that was ,right? And lets be realistic there should be a phone number you could remember, right? I mean she has watched her for a year, right? So maybe now she can give out where either Samantha the sister lived or where Gloria the mother lived right? Because then Casey can get the real killers, right? I mean now that the ultimate horrible thing has happened there is no reason to remain silent or lie anymore, right?? And if Casey does not want to talk to the Sheriff, just call the FBI like she said she would and talk to them, because with the true info, then they can pick up the REAL Zenaida, right? And the charges could be dropped.? Right! Okay I will be waiting for this to happen, because it would be logical, right?? Why do I think I will be waiting a long time for this all to happen? What other excuse can she have now for not telling the real truth and giving real info? And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?

To paraphrase, reality and the Anthonys are strangers. They might just think that noble Casey is protecting them from Zani the Mossad nanny...imo

[One2Snoop]

Payment Of Casey Anthony Defense 'Dream Team' Raises Questions
Anthony Charged With Murder In Daughter's Disappearance

POSTED: 4:23 pm EST December 15, 2008
UPDATED: 5:12 pm EST December 15, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The "dream team" of experts and attorneys assembled for the defense of Casey Anthony is raising questions because they will not disclose who is paying for their work.

"We have qualified people -- the best in the business -- reviewing this evidence," said Jose Baez, the attorney for Anthony, who remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee. "I'm not about pumping my chest and flaunting about who we're bringing in, you'll see it when they come," Baez said.

The skull and remains of a child were discovered last week in a wooded area near the home that Anthony, 22, shared with her daughter and her grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony.

The "dream team" includes Dr. Henry Lee; Linda Kenney Baden, who debuted on the team Thursday in court at an emergency hearing in the case; Dr. Kathy Reichs; and Dr. Werner Spitz.

Lee and Spitz have weighed in on the Kennedy assassination and the O.J. Simpson double-murder case, which was also investigated by Michael Baden, husband and co-author with new defense attorney Linda Kenney Baden. Reichs is a best-selling author, who has also taught the FBI how to detect and recover human bones.

The dream team thus far has not been allowed to visit the area where the human remains were found.

"We have certain experts we were hoping to get closer to the scene," said Baez, who bristled when asked how the experts were being compensated. "I don't think it's any concern of anyone who's paying for all of that. It's confidential information, and I'm not about to disclose confidential information."

"They are not interested in profiting from this tragedy, and Mr. Baez has assembled a team of experts. I don't know what the financial agreements are, and I'm not concerned with that," said Anthony family attorney Brad Conway.

http://www.local6.com/news/18284043/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay so Cindy and George say they still think it was a Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny, who killed Caylee. just not the one that is suing. Okay so let me play Devils Advocate for a minute and say Yes okay maybe it was another Zenaida. Now, bear with me here, if the reason Casey was keeping quiet and lying about where she really lived and her phone number and all that was because she was afraid that Zenaida might harm Caylee, then since the ultimate did happen, Now would be the time for Casey to give up the real address, the real phone number, right? Because if you dropped off a child for nearly a year, you would know where that was ,right? And lets be realistic there should be a phone number you could remember, right? I mean she has watched her for a year, right? So maybe now she can give out where either Samantha the sister lived or where Gloria the mother lived right? Because then Casey can get the real killers, right? I mean now that the ultimate horrible thing has happened there is no reason to remain silent or lie anymore, right?? And if Casey does not want to talk to the Sheriff, just call the FBI like she said she would and talk to them, because with the true info, then they can pick up the REAL Zenaida, right? And the charges could be dropped.? Right! Okay I will be waiting for this to happen, because it would be logical, right?? Why do I think I will be waiting a long time for this all to happen? What other excuse can she have now for not telling the real truth and giving real info? And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?

Hayell no she doesn't remember Zenaida's phone number. Remember the nasty phone call she made asking for Tony's number? Like she didn't know that?

Smoke and mirrors. All of it. Scripted down to the last sniffle.

[samanthajane13]

"And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?"


NO NO NO!!!!

You have it WRONG!!!

She's Mafia hit-man-IN DRAG-only using the name Zenaida in the same way John Gotti was called the Teflon Don !!!

THAT'S why they can't find "her".

SHE is a HE!!!

:biggrin:

[javahog]

Great. LP just said that the area where Caylee was found is a Pet Cemetery.

[jrenee]

:seeya: Hi to everyone, been a long time since I have been here, but I have been trying to keep up with little Caylee Marie, even though I said after Maddie and little Trenton, I would not follow any more dead or missing children.

I am so angered that G and C have the gall to be asking for immunity, now I am usually very sorry for the grandparents , but these people have made that impossible for me.

Cindy`s lies and trying to implicate others and not to mention seeking donations, doing interviews all to benefit Casey.

You know what though, Cindy life will be miserable now, whether she is prosecuted or not. Caylee is lost to them and may they look at Casey a long time as she slowly dies in prison. G and C will be hounded wherever they go from now on.

[One2Snoop]

No Reward For Meter Reader Who Found Skull

Monday, December 15, 2008 – updated: 6:18 pm EST December 15, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It was a meter reader who found the remains that could be Caylee Anthony. He's having a tough time and does not want to talk with the media and he is so disturbed by what he found his bosses have given him some time off of work.

When the Orange County meter reader discovered a skull in the woods not too far from Caylee Anthony's home his supervisor called 911.

That phone call makes the meter reader ineligible for a $5,000 Crimeline reward. To collect the reward, you have to call Crimeline first before you call 911.

"You have to initiate a tip with Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS," explained Detective Barb Bergin, Crimeline. "We don't have enough money to pay rewards to everyone who calls 911."

Bergin encourages people to call 911 if there is an emergency, but Crimeline calls are answered 24 hours a day.

"As calls come in, if it's something that needs an emergency or needs law enforcement, we have people in place for that to happen immediately," Bergin said.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla offered a $50,000 reward for Caylee's body, but pulled the money when people complained searchers were tearing up their yards looking for remains.

"I don't want to get sued," Padilla said.

Still, Padilla plans thinks the meter reader deserves some kind of reward and he plans to write him a check if the remains belong to Caylee.

"It's going to be a figure between five and ten grand involved easily," he said. "Nobody looks at bags out here in these palmettos, they just walk by it. This guy had the foresight to go over and do it."

Crimeline detectives told Eyewitness News they never make exceptions. You have to call the tip line first if you want to be eligible for a reward. While they have received complaints from people who called 911 first and then tried to collect the money, they always stick to their policy.

Crimeline has achieved a lot fighting crime in Central Florida. During the last year, Crimeline tips have generated 1,100 arrests and solved 1,200 cases.

Crimeline gave out $340,000 in rewards. That money comes from a trust fund in the Attorney General's Office.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18285004/detail.html#-

[FDInLaw]

Great. LP just said that the area where Caylee was found is a Pet Cemetery.Oh, my! Are you serious???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: They are going to be there FOREVER!

[lorettalockhorn]

Let me stress this is just of course an opinion. Lee either knows more than he is saying or he is staying far away because he is embarassed and overwhelmed that both his sister is a murdering , lying slug and his mother is a controlling, crazed woman. And the whole situation is just beyond him. so it is hard to say. I do recall him saying oddly Casey was telling the truth to the best of her ability.

He should be embarrassed about his attire. WTH was he wearing when he had that snit yesterday?!

Why did he reappear out of the clear blue sky yesterday?

[FDInLaw]

:seeya: Hi to everyone, been a long time since I have been here, but I have been trying to keep up with little Caylee Marie, even though I said after Maddie and little Trenton, I would not follow any more dead or missing children.

I am so angered that G and C have the gall to be asking for immunity, now I am usually very sorry for the grandparents , but these people have made that impossible for me.

Cindy`s lies and trying to implicate others and not to mention seeking donations, doing interviews all to benefit Casey.

You know what though, Cindy life will be miserable now, whether she is prosecuted or not. Caylee is lost to them and may they look at Casey a long time as she slowly dies in prison. G and C will be hounded wherever they go from now on.Welcome! :seeya: Cases involving children really get to me too. But then, true crime found me, I didn't seek it out!

It's good to have you. . . the more minds the better! :)

[Gatordog]

Tape just shown has the Liar telling her father, as she's crying, "I just want to be with my little girl." That's good because we can arrange that soon with the DP. Be careful what you wish for. :rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

Snipped from above article - I'm glad to see LP is going to go ahead and give this man a reward....

Still, Padilla plans thinks the meter reader deserves some kind of reward and he plans to write him a check if the remains belong to Caylee.

"It's going to be a figure between five and ten grand involved easily," he said. "Nobody looks at bags out here in these palmettos, they just walk by it. This guy had the foresight to go over and do it."

[jrenee]

Welcome! :seeya: Cases involving children really get to me too. But then, true crime found me, I didn't seek it out!

It's good to have you. . . the more minds the better! :)

Thank you for the welcome, FDInLaw.

May I ask what crime found you?

Poor little Caylee, to be tossed away in a pet cemetary!:flamemad:

[jrenee]

Snipped from above article - I'm glad to see LP is going to go ahead and give this man a reward....

IA, don`t you imagine the sight of that little skull will haunt him forever?

[lorettalockhorn]

Tape just shown has the Liar telling her father, as she's crying, "I just want to be with my little girl." That's good because we can arrange that soon with the DP. Be careful what you wish for. :rolleyes:

Yep, hopefully there's a hypo with her name on it, BUT Caylee's in heaven, so they'll never be together again.

[Gatordog]

No Reward For Meter Reader Who Found Skull

Monday, December 15, 2008 – updated: 6:18 pm EST December 15, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It was a meter reader who found the remains that could be Caylee Anthony. He's having a tough time and does not want to talk with the media and he is so disturbed by what he found his bosses have given him some time off of work.

When the Orange County meter reader discovered a skull in the woods not too far from Caylee Anthony's home his supervisor called 911.

That phone call makes the meter reader ineligible for a $5,000 Crimeline reward. To collect the reward, you have to call Crimeline first before you call 911.

"You have to initiate a tip with Crimeline at 1-800-423-TIPS," explained Detective Barb Bergin, Crimeline. "We don't have enough money to pay rewards to everyone who calls 911."

Bergin encourages people to call 911 if there is an emergency, but Crimeline calls are answered 24 hours a day.

"As calls come in, if it's something that needs an emergency or needs law enforcement, we have people in place for that to happen immediately," Bergin said.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla offered a $50,000 reward for Caylee's body, but pulled the money when people complained searchers were tearing up their yards looking for remains.

"I don't want to get sued," Padilla said.

Still, Padilla plans thinks the meter reader deserves some kind of reward and he plans to write him a check if the remains belong to Caylee.

"It's going to be a figure between five and ten grand involved easily," he said. "Nobody looks at bags out here in these palmettos, they just walk by it. This guy had the foresight to go over and do it."

Crimeline detectives told Eyewitness News they never make exceptions. You have to call the tip line first if you want to be eligible for a reward. While they have received complaints from people who called 911 first and then tried to collect the money, they always stick to their policy.

Crimeline has achieved a lot fighting crime in Central Florida. During the last year, Crimeline tips have generated 1,100 arrests and solved 1,200 cases.

Crimeline gave out $340,000 in rewards. That money comes from a trust fund in the Attorney General's Office.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18285004/detail.html#-

Perhaps we all need to contact the AG of Florida - Bill McCollum.

[FDInLaw]

Tape just shown has the Liar telling her father, as she's crying, "I just want to be with my little girl." That's good because we can arrange that soon with the DP. Be careful what you wish for. :rolleyes:

Hand over the haterade. . . . *slip*

Yep, it will tickle me pink to see the DP on the table. . . I sure hope it is. But, as to seeing Caylee on the other side, I'm doubtful.

[Gatordog]

Yep, hopefully there's a hypo with her name on it, BUT Caylee's in heaven, so they'll never be together again.

Loretta, I stand corrected. You are so right about that -have a drink on me. :beer:

[Justice Denied?]

You know what angers me is when C&G found out that there was a body found...not one of them went to the site...if that was me in there shoes I would of been there making a scene to see my child...is it me or do any of you guy feel the same way? to me that makes me think ever more of there guilt of this...they need to wake up already this IS Caylee and Casey killed her...strangers people who never met this little girl went there and layed flowers and other special little gifts...what did C&G bring her? I'm sorry I have no respect, no sympathy just anger towards them...if casey was my daughter you bet your butt I would be down her throat...she would be begging them to put her in jail...ok I'm done venting now..

I also thought it significant that no one has gone to the jail. If I honestly believed my daughter was inocent and they had just found the body of her baby, I would be there to comfort my child, camear or no camera.

[samanthajane13]

"Poor little Caylee, to be tossed away in a pet cemetary!"

Well-the spirits of those poor dead animals have more compassion for Caylee than all of her family put together in my opinion, and they would have guarded her, protected her and loved her.

She wasn't alone there.

[Gatordog]

He should be embarrassed about his attire. WTH was he wearing when he had that snit yesterday?!

Why did he reappear out of the clear blue sky yesterday?

Looks like he was playing soccer before he arrived at the house. He had on socks which had padding on the shins.

[Its just me]

Great. LP just said that the area where Caylee was found is a Pet Cemetery.

Oh, my! Are you serious???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: They are going to be there FOREVER!

This can't be happening. Please, Please let what's been announced as discovered be human. fep

[samanthajane13]

"Still, Padilla plans thinks the meter reader deserves some kind of reward and he plans to write him a check if the remains belong to Caylee.

"It's going to be a figure between five and ten grand involved easily," he said. "Nobody looks at bags out here in these palmettos, they just walk by it. This guy had the foresight to go over and do it."


Congrats, Leonard!!!

You're doing the RIGHT THING!

[jrenee]

This can't be happening. Please, Please let what's been announced as discovered be human. fep

Oh, I think the skull found was human, her remains were there amongst the animal bones.

[FDInLaw]

This can't be happening. Please, Please let what's been announced as discovered be human. fep

No need to worry. . . they KNOW they have the remains of a child! The details about the duct tape are enough to convince me of that. At worst, it will just take them longer to process the scene. JMO

[javahog]

This can't be happening. Please, Please let what's been announced as discovered be human. fep

I don;t think that's the problem. LP was saying this was a familiar area for the kids in the neighborhood and they would bury their pets there, so he thinks that's why she was placed there. I'm trained in osteology. There is literally nothing else in the animal kingdom that they could confuse with a human child's skull. It's a baby, no doubt...imo.

[Justice Denied?]

Exactly - one of the neighbors confirmed that she would rarely speak to them.

That right there proves Zenaida does not exist. If Cindy is that prejudiced
toward Hispanics, she would never stand for one to babysit her grandchild. I personally think Cindy alwas knew. There is no way that someone that controling would not meet the nanny, inspect the premises, etc.

[javahog]

That right there proves Zenaida does not exist. If Cindy is that prejudiced
toward Hispanics, she would never stand for one to babysit her grandchild. I personally think Cindy alwas knew. There is no way that someone that controling would not meet the nanny, inspect the premises, etc.

But where did she think Caylee was when not with her or the maternal unit? She can't have known that Zani was a pet name for the Sunfire's trunk...moo

[Justice Denied?]

"To me this clearly looks like something was done to the car to get rid of the smell....Its too late now and I can only hope the guy didn't spray anything or use anything to destroy the forensics in the trunk."

But even if they DID spray stuff in there to get rid of the smell, forensics will pick of the evidence of THAT PRODUCT, be able to identify it-and it's uses, and know the car's been tampered with, and can present that as proof of C & G having obstructed the law!!!

And LE has a copy of that conversation, so C & G can't deny what they said or that the guy offered to "fix" the smell, and G let him!

I just got to wondering, since Zenaida had a key to the house, did she also have one to the car? How did she manage to get the body in the trunk without Casey knowing? No wonder Casey drove around such a long time with a body in the trunk - she didn't know it was there. .Best part is Zenaida sneaking back, getting the body OUT of the car and placing it in the woods. That's really good.

How stupid do they think we are?

[FDInLaw]

Well, being a pet cemetery could answer the question as to why no one noticed an odor. The place might have been known to smell funky when mother nature moved things around. :shrug:

[jrenee]

I just got to wondering, since Zenaida had a key to the house, did she also have one to the car? How did she manage to get the body in the trunk without Casey knowing? No wonder Casey drove around such a long time with a body in the trunk - she didn't know it was there. .Best part is Zenaida sneaking back, getting the body OUT of the car and placing it in the woods. That's really good.

How stupid do they think we are?

This is exactly, imo, what CA would have been spinning in front of any camera she could get in front of had not the remains been found.
Instead, now she is seeking immunity.

[javahog]

I just got to wondering, since Zenaida had a key to the house, did she also have one to the car? How did she manage to get the body in the trunk without Casey knowing? No wonder Casey drove around such a long time with a body in the trunk - she didn't know it was there. .Best part is Zenaida sneaking back, getting the body OUT of the car and placing it in the woods. That's really good.

How stupid do they think we are?

Not to mention, rigging the car to break down by the burial site. That Zani is a real macguyver for a nanny!

[applesandorange]

About the place being a pet cemetary. Remember in one if Casey's visits with Lee he asks her where to look and she says places that are important to the family. Places that the family went together. LP said Casey and her family buried a parakeet in the pet cemetary and other pets. Casey was telling Lee where she was.

[Justice Denied?]

Hayell no she doesn't remember Zenaida's phone number. Remember the nasty phone call she made asking for Tony's number? Like she didn't know that?

Smoke and mirrors. All of it. Scripted down to the last sniffle.
Now I'll take up for Casey on this one. When I want to make a call on my cell phone, I just go to address book and punch the name. I don't have to put the number in and I'm not sure I know all my kid's numbers. Never mind, just figured out I know 2 and 2 I don't.

[deputydi]

Okay so Cindy and George say they still think it was a Zenaida Gonzalez, or Zanny, who killed Caylee. just not the one that is suing. Okay so let me play Devils Advocate for a minute and say Yes okay maybe it was another Zenaida. Now, bear with me here, if the reason Casey was keeping quiet and lying about where she really lived and her phone number and all that was because she was afraid that Zenaida might harm Caylee, then since the ultimate did happen, Now would be the time for Casey to give up the real address, the real phone number, right? Because if you dropped off a child for nearly a year, you would know where that was ,right? And lets be realistic there should be a phone number you could remember, right? I mean she has watched her for a year, right? So maybe now she can give out where either Samantha the sister lived or where Gloria the mother lived right? Because then Casey can get the real killers, right? I mean now that the ultimate horrible thing has happened there is no reason to remain silent or lie anymore, right?? And if Casey does not want to talk to the Sheriff, just call the FBI like she said she would and talk to them, because with the true info, then they can pick up the REAL Zenaida, right? And the charges could be dropped.? Right! Okay I will be waiting for this to happen, because it would be logical, right?? Why do I think I will be waiting a long time for this all to happen? What other excuse can she have now for not telling the real truth and giving real info? And if she says that Zenaida might kill her parents, let's be realistic on that , she is a nanny , not a member of the CIA or an agent of Mosad, right?
In the words of the immortal Arthur Fonzarelli --- EXACTAMUNDO!

[FDInLaw]

About the place being a pet cemetary. Remember in one if Casey's visits with Lee he asks her where to look and she says places that are important to the family. Places that the family went together. LP said Casey and her family buried a parakeet in the pet cemetary and other pets. Casey was telling Lee where she was.Casey also stated in the jail house visit with her folks that she felt that Caylee was near by. . . another tip off IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

[I don;t think that's the problem. LP was saying this was a familiar area for the kids in the neighborhood and they would bury their pets there, so he thinks that's why she was placed there. I'm trained in osteology. There is literally nothing else in the animal kingdom that they could confuse with a human child's skull. It's a baby, no doubt...imo.

Agree. Besides having to search animal dens and burrows for bones, they may be spending time on differentiation.

=Justice Denied?;9146074]That right there proves Zenaida does not exist. If Cindy is that prejudiced
toward Hispanics, she would never stand for one to babysit her grandchild. I personally think Cindy alwas knew. There is no way that someone that controling would not meet the nanny, inspect the premises, etc.

I was a little surprised that Michele Bart said that Caylee could count to 45 in Spanish after having read a while back that Cindy doesn't like or isn't tolerant of Hispanics.

[deputydi]

Hayell no she doesn't remember Zenaida's phone number. Remember the nasty phone call she made asking for Tony's number? Like she didn't know that?

Smoke and mirrors. All of it. Scripted down to the last sniffle.
Speaking of scripts -- where is the one Zanny gave her to follow?

[jrenee]

Speaking of scripts -- where is the one Zanny gave her to follow?

... and where is the picture of Caylee with Zany the Nanny, that Jose Baez promised?? ooooh it is invisible like the nanny.........

[deputydi]

This can't be happening. Please, Please let what's been announced as discovered be human. fep
Not to worry. The skull is definitely human.

[deputydi]

I also thought it significant that no one has gone to the jail. If I honestly believed my daughter was inocent and they had just found the body of her baby, I would be there to comfort my child, camear or no camera.
You're right. This has puzzled me all along and especially now. The story they gave about the media is BS as far as I'm concerned.

[javahog]

Speaking of scripts -- where is the one Zanny gave her to follow?

Easy! In her office at Universal!

[FDInLaw]

You're right. This has puzzled me all along and especially now. The story they gave about the media is BS as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder if Cindy is covering for Casey (and for her own image), BUT on the inside what happened to Caylee is killing her. It is a statement that Casey has been left alone from how I see it.

This is a telling time, when Caylee's body is identified, the whole nation will be watching to see how they react. MOO

[deputydi]

:seeya: Hi to everyone, been a long time since I have been here, but I have been trying to keep up with little Caylee Marie, even though I said after Maddie and little Trenton, I would not follow any more dead or missing children.

I am so angered that G and C have the gall to be asking for immunity, now I am usually very sorry for the grandparents , but these people have made that impossible for me.

Cindy`s lies and trying to implicate others and not to mention seeking donations, doing interviews all to benefit Casey.

You know what though, Cindy life will be miserable now, whether she is prosecuted or not. Caylee is lost to them and may they look at Casey a long time as she slowly dies in prison. G and C will be hounded wherever they go from now on.
Welcome to the boards. Your post is right on point.

I usually stay away from the dead or missing children threads also. They give me nightmares. I don't know what drew me to this one but I've become obsessed. I can't tell you how badly I want to see Casey pay for what she did.

G & C have, for the most part, had my sympathy through much of this. I get angry and frustrated with them, but no matter what happens now, their life is pretty much over. I believe that once the body is positively identified, Cindy and George both will turn state's evidence. That is probably why their attorney is seeking some kind of immunity. Not necessarily because there are plans to arrest them -- it's just kind of an insurance policy for the future. If that's what it takes to get them as witnesses against Casey, it's a small price to pay.

[jrenee]

Welcome to the boards. Your post is right on point.

I usually stay away from the dead or missing children threads also. They give me nightmares. I don't know what drew me to this one but I've become obsessed. I can't tell you how badly I want to see Casey pay for what she did.

G & C have, for the most part, had my sympathy through much of this. I get angry and frustrated with them, but no matter what happens now, their life is pretty much over. I believe that once the body is positively identified, Cindy and George both will turn state's evidence. That is probably why their attorney is seeking some kind of immunity. Not necessarily because there are plans to arrest them -- it's just kind of an insurance policy for the future. If that's what it takes to get them as witnesses against Casey, it's a small price to pay.

Thanks for the welcome. Perhaps you are right about G and C. I will form, maybe, a different opinion depending on how they reply to LE in the next few days, they will have to do better than lies and inconsistencies they have perpetuated from "day one'. (how I hate that phrase, now.) Also, on what the evidence shows from the latest search warrant of the A home.

Does anyone know when the actual search warrant will be released? Be interesting to see exactly what they have listed. I am sure some of it is matching bedding, maybe like the covering that the remains were wrapped in.

If so, you can bet Cindy had to have known this was missing from her home.

[FDInLaw]

Good gawd poeple i work with these F/u/C/S everday and people feel sorry. Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Huh? Either it's too late for me, or it would be helpful for you write out more of your thoughts here.

[One2Snoop]

Huh? Either it's too late for me, or it would be helpful for you write out more of your thoughts here.


Has someone been partaking in to much eggnog? :tongue:

[One2Snoop]

DNA Testing Could Take Weeks
Monday, December 15, 2008 8:52:59 PM

ORLANDO -- It could be some time before the Federal Bureau of Investigation releases a positive identification for the bones of a child found in the woods less than a mile from the home of George and Cindy Anthony.

Experts say it might take anywhere from a week to two weeks to determine if the remains are Caylee Anthony.

The FBI lab has stated it is putting testing of the remains on the fast track.

* How Is DNA Fingerprinting Is Done

News 13's Stephanie Coueignoux spoke with criminal expert Dr. Richard Weinblatt. He said that a delay in identification is normal.

Weinblatt said that because the remains were found in an area that had been underwater, they are better preserved, making it easier to get tissue and DNA evidence.

"What they have to do is set up the DNA, and they're going by markers. Kind of like comparing fingerprints, but it's genetic fingerprints. They have to put it together. Now, the less material they have, the less comparison points they have to go by," Weinblatt said.

Weinblatt said the FBI will probably run these DNA test several times to make sure they have a positive identification.

If this is, in fact, the body of Caylee, the next question for the FBI becomes the cause of death.Weinblatt said blunt trauma is easy to determine, but if poison or chloroform is used, they can still be found in tissue or bone marrow.

The remains discovered on Monday will also be sent to the FBI for testing. In fact, there could be even more remains because any time a body is left in the wilderness, it is natural for animals to become curious and scatter whatever they find.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/15/dna_testing_could_take_weeks.html

[javahog]

"It is natural for animals to become curious..." ?! Did Walt Disney write this story?

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Memorial Forms At Crime Scene
Fingerprints, DNA Taken From George, Cindy Anthony

POSTED: 6:08 am EST December 15, 2008
UPDATED: 6:48 pm EST December 15, 2008

http://i38.tinypic.com/2u58a5k.jpg

http://www.wesh.com/news/18278896/detail.html

[joekuhl79]

Damn you guys post FAST! I can't keep up! A few pages in a couple hours?!?

Watched NG...Padilla said that he/his sources suspect the duct tape was put on AFTER she was killed by chloroform OD...I hope that's the case, as the Liar (I'm going with what Gator tagged her as...) taping up a live Caylee is just to horrible to even think of...the point of the duct tape was to point to the kidnapping theory. Same for the hints of 'Zanny' having a key to the house - she would have access to the tape, bedding, garbage bags, etc.

All the defense 'dream team'? Pointless. A waste of time and money.

I am 100% positive that they are going to find Liars fingerprints on that duct tape. That will show that Liar did the taping. Any other bullsht about a nanny or a kidnapper, or house keys will be pointless. That will be the smoking gun.

[Its just me]

Not to worry. The skull is definitely human.

I watched Greta and Dr. Baden (sp) was on talking about the case. He was asked if it was easy to determine if the bones found to be those of a human. Baden said there were people on the scene that could easily id if they were human bones. This was good news for me because I didn't want the investigators coming out looking bad doing overkill.

I want Casey to have the fair trial she deserves but I will never forget the Simpson trial I got to watch because I was laid up with injuries from a car wreck.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the welcome. Perhaps you are right about G and C. I will form, maybe, a different opinion depending on how they reply to LE in the next few days, they will have to do better than lies and inconsistencies they have perpetuated from "day one'. (how I hate that phrase, now.) Also, on what the evidence shows from the latest search warrant of the A home.

Does anyone know when the actual search warrant will be released? Be interesting to see exactly what they have listed. I am sure some of it is matching bedding, maybe like the covering that the remains were wrapped in.

If so, you can bet Cindy had to have known this was missing from her home.

Hey jrenee! :seeya: I know that G&C don't give's a rat's patootie what I think of them, but I'm going to follow your cue and give them (at least a little) benefit of the doubt if the follow through with LE in the days to come.

But I won't be a bit surprised if the Zenaida Defense falls apart for Casey if she doesn't start pointing fingers at the rents and/or Lee, and I wonder if they are all steeling themselves for that possibility.

[lorettalockhorn]

Easy! In her office at Universal!

:hat:

[samanthajane13]

From David Lohr's blog-

December 15, 2008

Casey Anthony's "Dream Team"

Jose Baez, lead attorney for Casey Anthony (mother of two-year-old Caylee Anthony), has assembled a seasoned team of defense attorneys and forensic experts for his client's impending first-degree murder trial. Investigation Discovery has compiled a bio on each of those experts to give you a better understanding of who they are and what they do.

Baez is Casey Anthony's lead defense attorney. According to his Web site, Baez is a former criminologist who received a B.S. degree in criminology from Florida State University.

"Mr. Baez began working for the Miami-Dade County Public Defender's office in 1995. He immediately created a reputation as a fierce advocate who fought his cases until the very end and also distinguished himself by creating a division record for the most trials where he won 32 of 34 jury trials within his first two years with the office. (It should be noted that one of his two losses was a reversed appeal)."

Prior to opening his own private practice, Baez worked for Lexis-Nexis, where he taught judges, lawyers, and law students about methods of using the Internet for investigation.

Baez has been involved in several high-profile cases in Florida, including the defense of Nilton Diaz, Kissimmee Mayor George Gant, and Elvira Garcia.

Linda Kenney Baden

A new member of Jose Baez's defense team, Baden is a New York attorney who specializes in forensic evidence. Baden has been doing forensic work since the 1980s when she was in the prosecutor's office in New Jersey. She is the wife of Dr. Michael M. Baden, a medical doctor and board-certified forensic pathologist, who is also the host of HBO's Autopsy.

Baden has been involved in several high-profile cases, including the recent defense of music producer Phil Spector. Baden is also well known for her analysis in the controversial death of supermodel Anna Nicole Smith.

Terence Lenamon

Lenamon is a Miami criminal defense attorney who recently joined Baez's defense team.

According to WFTV.com, Lenamon has defended several high-profile clients, including Harrel Franklin Braddy, who is known as "The Miami Strangler," and accused killer Wadada Delhall.

In both of those cases, Lenamon’s clients were sentenced to death.

Jose Luis Garcia

Another member of Baez's defense team, Garcia has experience in both family and criminal law.

Garcia attended Barry University School of Law, where he received his J.D. He continued his undergraduate education and obtained his B.A. degree at Florida International University. His professional associations and memberships include the American Bar Association, National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, Young Lawyers Association, and Central Florida Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers.

Garcia's previous legal experience includes a stint as a public defender in Orlando's Ninth Judicial Circuit Court.

Dr. Henry Chang-Yu Lee

Dr. Henry Chang-Yu Lee is the current Chief Emeritus for Scientific Services for the State of Connecticut and one of the founders of the Henry C. Lee Forensic Institute. He has worked on several high-profile cases, including the O.J. Simpson and Laci Peterson cases.

According to his Web site, Dr. Lee is a "legendary investigator [who] is known for finding the tiniest clues. He has even solved a murder without a body. Over the past 40 years, Lee assisted in the investigations of more than 6,000 cases, including war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia; the suicide of President Clinton's former White House attorney, Vince Foster; review of the JFK assassination; and the death of JonBenet Ramsey."

A native of Rugao City, China, Lee obtained a degree in Police Science from Central Police College in 1960. He went on to become captain of the Taipei Police Department. In 1972, Lee moved to the United States and enrolled in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, where he obtained a B.S. in Forensic Science. Afterwards, he enrolled in New York University, where he earned an M.S. and a Ph. D. in Biochemistry. Since that time, he has received honorary degrees from several universities, including American International College, Bridgeport University, Williams Law School, Saint Joseph College, and the University of New Haven.

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[samanthajane13]

Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky

Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky is the Associate Provost of the Interdisciplinary Forensics Science Department at John Jay College. He is also a consultant to attorneys in the areas of forensic biology, serology, and DNA analysis.

According to the John Jay College Web site, Kobilinsky's primary area of expertise is DNA. His research interests, according to the site, "concern the use of state-of-the-art technology to identify individuals from physiological fluids and tissues, and to associate biological crime scene evidence with a suspect."

Dr. Kobilinsky received his B.S. and M.A. degrees from the City College of the City University of New York and his Ph.D. degree from the City University of New York. Dr. Kobilinsky is a Diplomat of the American College of Forensic Examiners and a Board Certified Forensic Examiner. His honors include the Federal Law Enforcement Officers "Civilian Award."

A television consultant to CBS and CNN, Dr. Kobilinsky has authored and co-authored several books, including DNA: Forensic and Legal Applications, Forensic DNA Analysis, and Forensic Chemistry Handbook.

Dr. Kathy Reichs

A native of Chicago, Dr. Reichs earned her Ph.D. at Northwestern University. A former consultant to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in North Carolina, she currently consults for the Laboratoire de Sciences Judiciaires et de Médecine Légale in the province of Québec.

Dr. Reich is the author of several bestselling books, including Deja Dead, Bare Bones, and Devil Bones.

"From teaching FBI agents how to detect and recover human remains, to separating and identifying commingled body parts in her Montreal lab, as a forensic anthropologist Kathy Reichs has brought her own dramatic work experience to her mesmerizing forensic thrillers," reads her online bio. "Dr. Reichs has traveled to Rwanda to testify at the UN Tribunal on Genocide, and helped exhume a mass grave in Guatemala. As part of her work at JPAC (formerly CILHI) she aided in the identification of war dead from World War II, Korea, and Southeast Asia."

Dr. Reichs is one of only seventy-seven forensic anthropologists who have been certified by the American Board of Forensic Anthropology.

Dr. Timothy Huntington

Dr. Huntington is the Assistant Professor of Biology at Concordia University in Nebraska, where he teaches Principles of Biology, Elements of Anatomy and Physiology, Entomology, Gross Anatomy I & II, Zoology, and Community Ecology.

After receiving a B.S. at Concordia University in 2002, Dr. Huntington went on to get an M.S. in 2005 and a Ph.D. in 2008.

According to Concordia's Web site, Dr. Huntington first taught at the university in 2003 as an adjunct faculty member. This past year, he joined the Natural Science Department as a full-time faculty member.

According to his online bio, "His teaching emphasis is in organismal biology, and his research interests focus on forensic entomology (the use of insects as evidence in legal investigations), carrion ecology, and taphonomy."

Dr. Huntington has been a consultant on more than fifty death investigations in the U.S. and in four foreign countries. In 2007 he was the recipient of Concordia’s Young Alumnus of the Year Award.

Dr. Werner Spitz

A native of Israel, Dr. Spitz is a Professor of Pathology at Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, Michigan; Adjunct Professor of Pathology at the University of Windsor in Canada; and a forensic pathology and toxicology consultant. A former Wayne County medical examiner, Dr. Spitz is considered to be one of the most experienced and well-respected forensic pathologists in the United States.

According to the Wayne State University Web site, Dr. Spitz has published more than ninety scientific articles in medical journals as well as a textbook.

"He has testified numerous times in high-profile cases, including the wrongful death suit against O.J. Simpson, and has testified before the House of Representatives regarding the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Jr. and Martin Luther King, Jr. During his 52 years as a forensic pathologist, he has either performed or supervised well over 60,000 autopsies."

Some of the more notable autopsies Dr. Spitz has conducted include those of JonBenet Ramsey, Nicole Brown-Simpson, and Mary Jo Kopechne.

In one of his more recent cases, Dr. Spitz testified for the defense in the Phil Spector murder trial.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/12/casey-anthony-1.html

[lorettalockhorn]

"I found it weird that in the jail videos neither Cindy or George seemed to get upset with Casey when she mentioned giving Zanny a key."

browneyes you made my bell ring! What you just said is a big one!

Maybe because they knew ahead of time that she was going to tell them that??

[lorettalockhorn]

Damn you guys post FAST! I can't keep up! A few pages in a couple hours?!?

Watched NG...Padilla said that he/his sources suspect the duct tape was put on AFTER she was killed by chloroform OD...I hope that's the case, as the Liar (I'm going with what Gator tagged her as...) taping up a live Caylee is just to horrible to even think of...the point of the duct tape was to point to the kidnapping theory. Same for the hints of 'Zanny' having a key to the house - she would have access to the tape, bedding, garbage bags, etc.

All the defense 'dream team'? Pointless. A waste of time and money.

I am 100% positive that they are going to find Liars fingerprints on that duct tape. That will show that Liar did the taping. Any other bullsht about a nanny or a kidnapper, or house keys will be pointless. That will be the smoking gun.

I'm betting the ream team is working pro bono for the most part (not just Henry Lee).

[lorettalockhorn]

June 20th Tony & Casey broke into the shed to get the gas cans

June 24th George discovered the break-in and argued with Casey about the tire block thingies

I'll try to double check these dates against the interview/statements given to LE.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hells Bells Loretta darlin', we all know they hardly have a pot to piss in anymore, unless, of course they use the money from the search fund (ah hem) to pay these this wonderful ream :biggrin:team. Many are coming in after the fact, and as sure as the sun's coming up tommorrow, they KNOW she's guilty, but hey, that's their job to Defend killers, eh?

Of course, a little bit o notoriety doesn't hurt either....:rolleyes:

Especially Henwee ~I think he likes it too much..maybe he wanted to be an actor in another life..............

GOT KETCHUP?

Not only do they not have a pot to piss in, they don't have a window to throw it out of.

Do the Ants realize how lucky they are to have these people to work for them? There are surely people deserving and needy these folks could help. But noooooooooo.

[jrenee]

I'm betting the ream team is working pro bono for the most part (not just Henry Lee).

They may be working pro bono for $$$, but some of them are working at rebuilding their reputations...ie Lee, LKB and last but not least " ketchup spitting" Spitz; and a lot of good that will do them, the public is fed up with this kind of defense.

[lorettalockhorn]

Speaking of Padilla; I can barely stand the man, but I thought this was really touching on NG tonight:

"And I`m going to tell you something. Besides there being a legal need for a complete and thorough investigation of that area, Sergeant Allen also is looking at it from an angle, I believe, of morality, and that is that all of Caylee be buried at one time in a funeral service. Not just get enough to what you need for DNA and then run off and leave the rest of her scattered out there. I believe he`s a very moral man, and that`s what he`s doing right now."

And I've read that he has said that he will personally reward the meter reader for his find. That's pretty hard to bash!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/15/ng.01.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Approximately a week (or so)..in and out of the Florida sun..That Would warrant 2 plastic bags, huh? And would the smell of the gas cans mask any odor, or did she really need gas?

Tony reported that she had called him when she ran out of gas on Chickasaw Trail(?). That's when they got the gas cans and she rushed to fill the tank.

[jrenee]

Speaking of Padilla; I can barely stand the man, but I thought this was really touching on NG tonight:

"And I`m going to tell you something. Besides there being a legal need for a complete and thorough investigation of that area, Sergeant Allen also is looking at it from an angle, I believe, of morality, and that is that all of Caylee be buried at one time in a funeral service. Not just get enough to what you need for DNA and then run off and leave the rest of her scattered out there. I believe he`s a very moral man, and that`s what he`s doing right now."

And I've read that he has said that he will personally reward the meter reader for his find. That's pretty hard to bash!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/15/ng.01.html

I agree with your feelings about Padilla, he means well I am sure, but he just had way too many theories for me. That`s just me though.

[lorettalockhorn]

I hope you guys get this post, my puter is not allowing me to go to the next page, so I can read any posts on it... been having puter problems off and on all day.

I will say goodnight, and try again in the AM.........

Sleep well!


We're on P209; you can't get here? That would drive me crazy and I would be trying other browswers, other puters, etc.!!! The board is like crack. I gotta have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's done this before and I had a few weird things today too. Prolly need to throw a few more hamsters on the treadmill.

Sweetie pie dreams!

[mu8shark]

don't see anything about that on their website. What? The guy was supposed to call someone before 911?? Sheesh did find this:

michelle bart, spokeswoman for caylee's grandparents, george and cindy anthony, said the family is suspicious of the circumstances leading to the findings.

"it's been searched dry, it's been searched wet, it's been searched in between. It's been searched over by tim miller [of texas equusearch] twice, who we hold in high regards with his professional organization," bart told news 13.

http://cfnews13.com/news/local/2008/12/14/is_it_caylee_anthonys_suspicious.html

oh, and the latest developments are taking a toll on casey. Cry me a friver.oh for f's sake, now michelle bart and the anthonys are experts on search tecnniques??. They do not want to talk to the media, but they are still trying to dribble out little bits of reasonable doubt unchallenged aren't they? It is time for the real truth to come out and the anthonys need to put up or shut up at trial. And keep their mouths shut until then. I am fed up with them, they are trying my patience.

[jrenee]

oh for f's sake, now michelle bart and the anthonys are experts on search tecnniques??. They do not want to talk to the media, but they are still trying to dribble out little bits of reasonable doubt unchallenged aren't they? It is time for the real truth to come out and the anthonys need to put up or shut up at trial. And keep their mouths shut until then. I am fed up with them, they are trying my patience.

M. Bart should go home and shampoo her hair, imo. and Kid Finders should be investigated, I am not sure they have ever found any kids.

[mu8shark]

Damn you guys post FAST! I can't keep up! A few pages in a couple hours?!?

Watched NG...Padilla said that he/his sources suspect the duct tape was put on AFTER she was killed by chloroform OD...I hope that's the case, as the Liar (I'm going with what Gator tagged her as...) taping up a live Caylee is just to horrible to even think of...the point of the duct tape was to point to the kidnapping theory. Same for the hints of 'Zanny' having a key to the house - she would have access to the tape, bedding, garbage bags, etc.

All the defense 'dream team'? Pointless. A waste of time and money.

I am 100% positive that they are going to find Liars fingerprints on that duct tape. That will show that Liar did the taping. Any other bullsht about a nanny or a kidnapper, or house keys will be pointless. That will be the smoking gun. Joe, I think you are right on the money about that tape. I have a hinky feeling that it would really, really hard not to leave fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape. I was watching M Baden demonstrate how hard it would be to use gloves and they have made great strides in taking and id ing fingerprints on the sticky side just in the last few years or so and have used that in cases. If they find her prints, she better just grovel. Also don't you know that if Zanny has the keys she can do all those internet searches?? Zanny sure spent a lot of time in that house getting things and planting evidence didn't she??? LOL.

[mu8shark]

Yes, right on. Padilla is so adament about the fact that Caylee was killed on June 18 and she's been duct taped after she died to set up the Zanny excuse. He is posiive. He knows. Casey is so used to her lies being believed, she messed up so much on this one.No way she was killed that late.It was on the `16th around or before 3 pm. If you see that cell phone call pattern , where there are a flurry of what I call panic calls, you will see something went wrong by 3 pm on the 16th. Those calls are not normal even for Casey. If anybody did not see those I will post them again. But I think Leonard is wrong on the 18th and on the fact that the tape was put after death, although I must say this, why in the hell did she remove her clothes , do you think she was trying to set up a sexual predator scenario. By the way her telling Tracy they did not even find the clothes yet is going to kill her at trial if the clothes were indeed found separately. Because who else would know that and Leonard mentioned it on air way before the body was found.

[jrenee]

No way she was killed that late.It was on the `16th around or before 3 pm. If you see that cell phone call pattern , where there are a flurry of what I call panic calls, you will see something went wrong by 3 pm on the 16th. Those calls are not normal even for Casey. If anybody did not see those I will post them again. But I think Leonard is wrong on the 18th and on the fact that the tape was put after death, although I must say this, why in the hell did she remove her clothes , do you think she was trying to set up a sexual predator scenario. By the way her telling Tracy they did not even find the clothes yet is going to kill her at trial if the clothes were indeed found separately. Because who else would know that and Leonard mentioned it on air way before the body was found.

I agree, she killed that child on the 16th. I am still puzzled about the clothes. Who knows what was in this most evil mind??

[mu8shark]

That right there proves Zenaida does not exist. If Cindy is that prejudiced
toward Hispanics, she would never stand for one to babysit her grandchild. I personally think Cindy alwas knew. There is no way that someone that controling would not meet the nanny, inspect the premises, etc. This whole Zanny thing by the family is absurd. One minute she is on tape grilling Casey about Zanny's apartment and her having keys and then in the next she is literally telling LE that she thinks in the last year there was no Zanny it was just anyone Casey left Caylee with. She says that to LE on tape. I know most of us have heard it , now the lawyer comes on tv and says they still believe a Zenaida was the last one the child was left with. Cindy forgets her lies to LE that there was no Zanny for the last year. My Dad always said that the truth is always the truth and a lie keeps changing. And of course a woman as domineering and controlling and concerned with her grandchild would have wanted to meet that Nanny pronto,, before Caylee ever stayed with her, no doubt about it. Cindy should maybe shut her liehole and not even let comments leak through the new lawyer. She is digging herself and Casey a hole.

[mu8shark]

I have wondered the same thing. The reason I heard given was they didn't want to divert the attention away from the search for Caylee. Their visits would create too much of a media frenzy. That never made much sense to me. :shrug:

I also heard the report giving the description of the ground under the remains. The timeline puzzles me. If Caylee was killed on or about June 20, and Casey was arrested the first time on charges of neglect the middle of July, where was the body during that month? If she had been tossed into the field where her body was found, why didn't anyone smell the decomposing body? At first I thought it was because of the flooding, but that didn't occur until the end of August. I've been to FL in July and Aug (visiting my kids) and I know how hot and humid it is. I can't imagine a simple household garbage bag could contain that smell in the FL heat. I guess the only logical thing I can come up with is Casey could have buried her in a shallow grave and the floods brought it to the surface. I hope the experts are able to explain this.I think they are going to find some fingerprints on that tape and the point will be moot as far as a conviction for her. It could be that they will theorize someone moved the body who helped her but if her fingerprints are on that tape, nobody else can be credited with killing her and putting her in that bag. I also suspect that initially Casey buried her much further underground and the water shook things up.

[mu8shark]

I can't find the exact post but someone said it did not start raining until August. However I was looking at LP statements tonight on NG and found this. PADILLA: . that area was under water. It started raining on the 24th of June. By the time she got out of jail, it was three foot under water where the body was. So there`s no doubt in my mind that there`s a lot of preservation took place because the body was under water up until about a week, 10 days ago. " If it was covered by a good amount of water as early as June 24the water could have indeed covered up part of the smell. I realize the hurricane was later but I live in Kansas and we have no hurricanes but sometimes when it rains in low lying areas, the water stands for quite a long time. Also Leonard does not seem to theorize she died as late as the 18th, only that the body was wrapped as it was on the 18th, which I kind of doubt. But anyhow, I am not sure how much it rained and what the area looked like but the residents of that neighborhood surely will know. Also I think if there was a lot of water at one point it could have moved the bag a ways, like it could have been further back in the woods and then was moved more forward where it made that indentation after laying there for a week or ten days. That is just my theory. The defense may try to make hay of this but all bets are off if there are fingerprints. Just one more comment kind of unrelated to this subject , I can't imagine that Cindy will ever give up the ghost of Zenaida, but George may come around. I may be wrong but just tonight the lawyer was saying they still believe Zenaida was the last one to see the child.

[One2Snoop]

We're on P209; you can't get here? That would drive me crazy and I would be trying other browswers, other puters, etc.!!! The board is like crack. I gotta have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's done this before and I had a few weird things today too. Prolly need to throw a few more hamsters on the treadmill.

Sweetie pie dreams!
LOL, I'm thinking I need to take your comments seriously about a catheter and feeding tube. When do you sleep? J/K Loretta. :biggrin:

I hate the thought of comparing this board to crack but I get what you mean - but I believe it's the current case that's addictive no matter which way you look at it. I'm glad all of you are here - we're a small group and I prefer it stay that way. I look at the positive side when I say that - its much easier to correct the wrongs and to overcome any mass hysteria which might take place when we hear breaking news. I can't even look at the websites that host anywhere from 100-1,000 people posting - how in the world can anyone comprehend what's going on? or how in the world can anyone voice their opinion? We've had a few people here who've already said they feel ignored and I know its not because its on purpose - its just because the conversation is active.
I often think about posting with those massive number of people and I just won't/can't do it. I'd prefer to keep this site as updated as possible and discuss this case with those who choose to come here and have a meaningful conversation.

I like our little group and I hope everyone sticks around for the duration of this case, whether you support the Anthony's and their antics or you truly believe Casey is guilty - I want to hear from all of you. :seeya: :beer:

[One2Snoop]

I can't find the exact post but someone said it did not start raining until August. However I was looking at LP statements tonight on NG and found this. PADILLA: . that area was under water. It started raining on the 24th of June. By the time she got out of jail, it was three foot under water where the body was. So there`s no doubt in my mind that there`s a lot of preservation took place because the body was under water up until about a week, 10 days ago. " If it was covered by a good amount of water as early as June 24the water could have indeed covered up part of the smell. I realize the hurricane was later but I live in Kansas and we have no hurricanes but sometimes when it rains in low lying areas, the water stands for quite a long time. Also Leonard does not seem to theorize she died as late as the 18th, only that the body was wrapped as it was on the 18th, which I kind of doubt. But anyhow, I am not sure how much it rained and what the area looked like but the residents of that neighborhood surely will know. Also I think if there was a lot of water at one point it could have moved the bag a ways, like it could have been further back in the woods and then was moved more forward where it made that indentation after laying there for a week or ten days. That is just my theory. The defense may try to make hay of this but all bets are off if there are fingerprints. Just one more comment kind of unrelated to this subject , I can't imagine that Cindy will ever give up the ghost of Zenaida, but George may come around. I may be wrong but just tonight the lawyer was saying they still believe Zenaida was the last one to see the child.

I think Gator might be able to help with the "rain" situation.

I don't believe the body was in the same spot the entire time and that the water moved the bag Caylee was in. I can't imagine Caylee weighing as much as a log to cause an indentation - but I have to admit I know nothing about it other than seeing a few logs sitting in the same spot for a period of time.

I agree with you about the Cindy/Zenaida situation - something not mentally right there (on Cindy's end) if you think about it. JMO

[One2Snoop]

I think they are going to find some fingerprints on that tape and the point will be moot as far as a conviction for her. It could be that they will theorize someone moved the body who helped her but if her fingerprints are on that tape, nobody else can be credited with killing her and putting her in that bag. I also suspect that initially Casey buried her much further underground and the water shook things up.

I don't think - I know they will - it's the smoking gun in this case as far as I'm concerned. What will really tie this all together is the forensics from the car and the trunk of the car. No foreign DNA, which means no Zenaida - and since we've known for some time now that mitrochondrial DNA on a hair sample identified a death band the only person missing in the dynamics of this situation is Caylee.

For the freakin' life of me I can't understand how C&G can ignore that - along with "It smells llike a god damn body died in the car".

I'm sure they're in shock and I do empathize with them but thats where it stops. Cindy knows Caylee is dead - It's all about protecting Casey now. :no: And that totally sucks for Caylee. :eek: CINDY, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WHAT ABOUT CAYLEE? :shrug: IMO/JMO

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9146159]I think Gator might be able to help with the "rain" situation.

I don't believe the body was in the same spot the entire time and that the water moved the bag Caylee was in. I can't imagine Caylee weighing as much as a log to cause an indentation - but I have to admit I know nothing about it other than seeing a few logs sitting in the same spot for a period of time.

I agree with you about the Cindy/Zenaida situation - something not mentally right there (on Cindy's end) if you think about it. JMO[/QUOTeE But if the body was not there the whole time then there are only two possibilities someone helped her and moved it around, and why if someone was helping her would they move it so close, why not move it to another county, a swamp, another state?? Or if you take that to the limit, Casey would have to be innocent and not involved because there is no way after she had a monitor on and all that press was there that Casey was driving around moving a body. No way, so which scenario do you believe if you do not believe the body was there all along? Another thing I did find interesting unrelated to the body is that in the statement about seeking immunity, the new laywer, his name escapes me this late said that he realizes the Anthonys have given conflicting statements and when they are re-interviewed there will be no conflicting statements but he says they have done nothing wrong. Are they ready to admit, there was no Zenaida, no pizza , no investigator who verified that Casey was telling the truth about everything??

[One2Snoop]

I apologize to those of you who think I'm being judgemental. I'm just having a very difficult time with C&G's denial - even though the body closely resembles Caylee they still deny its her. And if it is Caylee, the non-existent nanny did it. :eek: WTHeck???? :no:

[crowamongdoves]

First of all I'd like to say that I enjoy reading all the posts on this case, I've been a lurker for a couple of years now, and just started posting now and then mainly when I see the Ants Antics!!! That Cindy makes it really hard to feel sympathy for her, she makes me so mad at times that I have to walk away from my computer just to calm down. I find it incredibly hard to believe that
Cindy would have allowed Zanny to look after her granddaughter, especially when reading the transcripts IIRC she wouldn't even let one of the Liar's hispanic girlfriends in the house, she didn't want her daughter even hanging out with her.. Given this I really can't see Cindy willingly going along with so called
Zanny the nanny taking care of Caylee, much less her having a key and the run of her house can any of you?

[One2Snoop]

I think Gator might be able to help with the "rain" situation.

I don't believe the body was in the same spot the entire time and that the water moved the bag Caylee was in. I can't imagine Caylee weighing as much as a log to cause an indentation - but I have to admit I know nothing about it other than seeing a few logs sitting in the same spot for a period of time.

I agree with you about the Cindy/Zenaida situation - something not mentally right there (on Cindy's end) if you think about it. JMO
But if the body was not there the whole time then there are only two possibilities someone helped her and moved it around, and why if someone was helping her would they move it so close, why not move it to another county, a swamp, another state?? Or if you take that to the limit, Casey would have to be innocent and not involved because there is no way after she had a monitor on and all that press was there that Casey was driving around moving a body. No way, so which scenario do you believe if you do not believe the body was there all along? Another thing I did find interesting unrelated to the body is that in the statement about seeking immunity, the new laywer, his name escapes me this late said that he realizes the Anthonys have given conflicting statements and when they are re-interviewed there will be no conflicting statements but he says they have done nothing wrong. Are they ready to admit, there was no Zenaida, no pizza , no investigator who verified that Casey was telling the truth about everything??

Lee is the only one who comes to mind regarding the highlighted questions. He did it to protect his sister? I believe this family is beyond dysfunctional and the lies run deeper than our wildest imagination.

JMO.

[mu8shark]

First of all I'd like to say that I enjoy reading all the posts on this case, I've been a lurker for a couple of years now, and just started posting now and then mainly when I see the Ants Antics!!! That Cindy makes it really hard to feel sympathy for her, she makes me so mad at times that I have to walk away from my computer just to calm down. I find it incredibly hard to believe that
Cindy would have allowed Zanny to look after her granddaughter, especially when reading the transcripts IIRC she wouldn't even let one of the Liar's hispanic girlfriends in the house, she didn't want her daughter even hanging out with her.. Given this I really can't see Cindy willingly going along with so called
Zanny the nanny taking care of Caylee, much less her having a key and the run of her house can any of you?No way would Cindy let any woman watch Caylee for such a long period of time without meeting and approving of her, she is way too controlling to just let it lie. No way. Glad you are not lurking anymore.

[One2Snoop]

First of all I'd like to say that I enjoy reading all the posts on this case, I've been a lurker for a couple of years now, and just started posting now and then mainly when I see the Ants Antics!!! That Cindy makes it really hard to feel sympathy for her, she makes me so mad at times that I have to walk away from my computer just to calm down. I find it incredibly hard to believe that
Cindy would have allowed Zanny to look after her granddaughter, especially when reading the transcripts IIRC she wouldn't even let one of the Liar's hispanic girlfriends in the house, she didn't want her daughter even hanging out with her.. Given this I really can't see Cindy willingly going along with so called
Zanny the nanny taking care of Caylee, much less her having a key and the run of her house can any of you?

No I cannot, I totally agree with you about Cindy though. Hope you'll post more often - time for me to say goodnight - see all of you tomorrow sometime or another... :seeya::rose:

[mu8shark]

Lee is the only one who comes to mind regarding the highlighted questions. He did it to protect his sister? I believe this family is beyond dysfunctional and the lies run deeper than our wildest imagination.

JMO. Well if LE has the same thoughts maybe that is why they ask for the fingerprints of Lee, Cindy and George. I just can't imagine Lee would move the body so close to home because it points to Casey. I guess I just think she left it there in a panic. As for water moving it a bit, if there was enough water, I think in theory it could. But if a lot of jurors refuse to believe Casey put the body there and they can't point the finger at anyone else, I hope this is not a problem. I truly believe she left it there right before Tony found her walking on Chickasaw Drive the first time she ran out of gas. The probably know the results of any fingerprint test by now, that does not take long as far as I know. Maybe they could let us in on that. We won't tell will we?

[mu8shark]

No I cannot, I totally agree with you about Cindy though. Hope you'll post more often - time for me to say goodnight - see all of you tomorrow sometime or another... :seeya::rose:I am off too, Nite Snoop can't believe we are on here this late! Nite all:seeya:

[Mac]

Morning folks.....whats new?

I see they are still in the woods digging around.....anything new?