Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think that rises to a charge of obstruction. Obstruction is usually consciously lying to police in an investigation or destroying evidence. Washing Casey's pants could, I guess, meet the definition of destroying/altering evidence but they would have to prove she did it knowing Caylee was dead and her daughter was the killer. If anyone in this case should be prosecuted, it would be Casey -- but, they are trying her on first degree murder charges and there is such a thing as "overkill". Murder 1 is the conviction they want.

LE has their hands full right now building a case to prosecute Casey. The parents will get a pass on any potential charges (legally speaking) IMO. Their hell will be living with the knowledge that their daughter murdered "Nan's sunshine". I can't watch that clip without crying.

The Anthonys supposedly cooperated with LE, but I simply don't believe that is strictly true. Cindy knew that the car smelled of death, I'll assume that the slacks did too. She then lied about the smell of death, that makes her a liar in my book. George particularly, in his own words suspected that either Casey or Caylee was dead, yet he then lied about the smell of death. That makes him a liar in my book. They both had to know (minimally on a subconscious level) that they were destroying evidence with any car cleaning or laundering. If Cindy didn't provide LE with Caylee's hairbrush, that could be obstruction. If Cindy washed Casey's slacks knowing that they were evidence, that could be obstruction. If Cindy refused to provide the CC receipts and/or destroyed her copy or statements, that could be obstruction.

If they obstructed justice, I want them prosecuted. I hope that The State doesn't wash its hands of any "mistruths" that G&C may have perpetrated. I hope LE is never to busy to pursue any or all charges in capital or first degree murder cases.

[deputydi]

The Anthonys supposedly cooperated with LE, but I simply don't believe that is strictly true. Cindy knew that the car smelled of death, I'll assume that the slacks did too. She then lied about the smell of death, that makes her a liar in my book. George particularly, in his own words suspected that either Casey or Caylee was dead, yet he then lied about the smell of death. That makes him a liar in my book. They both had to know (minimally on a subconscious level) that they were destroying evidence. If Cindy didn't provide LE with Caylee's hairbrush, that could be obstruction. If Cindy washed Casey's slacks knowing that they were evidence, that could be obstruction. If Cindy refused to provide the CC receipts and/or destroyed her copy or statements, that could be obstruction.

If they obstructed justice, I want them prosecuted. I hope that The State doesn't wash its hands of any "mistruths" that G&C may have perpetrated. I hope LE is never to busy to pursue any or all charges in capital or first degree murder cases.
All the things you mention "could" be construed as obstruction, but do you really believe LE is going to waste their time prosecuting two grieving parents who were doing everything in their power to protect the daughter they wanted desperately to believe? IMO, that just won't happen.

[lorettalockhorn]

All the things you mention "could" be construed as obstruction, but do you really believe LE is going to waste their time prosecuting two grieving parents who were doing everything in their power to protect the daughter they wanted desperately to believe? IMO, that just won't happen.

Why is it a waste of time to carry out the law that officials are sworn to uphold? Why should the Anthonys get a pass?

Seriously.

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL!! That's the second time I messed up on the author of a post.

The sin is the sinner, unfortunately. I've have to keep a good check on my morals and values every time I get into this case. I've been a bleeeding heart all of my life, a crying towel and (when younger) a door mat. Seeing the good in everyone was always easy for me, but with this one, I am guilty of loathing. I don't even want her to die, I just want her to suffer forever for hurting that beautiful little angel.

I wear the HRT patch. It's wonderful! Try it, you'll like it! ;)

I lost count months(years?) ago on how many posts I've boggled. Believe me, one was such a doozy that I almost edited it out entirely, but decided it was better to let it stand and slap myself publicly instead. :punch:

I'm not one for medications. Unless you consider those wonderful painkillers that the DDS gave me for my wisdom teeth extractions. I cracked some ribs a couple of weeks ago and they work for that too!

[lorettalockhorn]

If they prove literal obstruction of justice, the Anthony's motive won't matter one bit. Who cares what they wanted to believe? Perhaps there was no actual obstruction of justice, but they sure didn't help the police one bit. I believe IF they find out the Anthony's deliberately removed or hid evidence, they go down. If they end up on trial for it, they can plead ignorance but the poor joke about giving the LE the dog's toothbrush will come up and it won't help them. As for the hair brush incident, Cindy denied the accusation that she gave them the wrong brush on purpose. Said it never happened. She threw sand in our eyes on that one!

Anyone?

I'm reading some blog comments about the possibility of obstruction charges and just re-read Larry Garrison's email about the hairbrush. He told the recipient on 11/22 that he would have plenty to say in the future, and then the story came out on the 25th. I'm ready to hear Part Two of whatever he has to say.

[lorettalockhorn]

840 signatures on the Make Cindy Anthony Accountable Petition:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/make-cindy-anthony-accountable-for-her-actions

[deputydi]

Why is it a waste of time to carry out the law that officials are sworn to uphold? Why should the Anthonys get a pass?

Seriously.
I'm not necessarily saying they "should" -- just that I believe they will. If you think about it objectively, LE will come across as bullies if they go after the parents. Even a half-assed attorney (like Baez) will make them appear sympathetic in court. It will be next to impossible to prove in a court of law that George and/or Cindy intended to obstruct the investigation. Everything they said or did will be interpreted as an honest attempt to defend their daughter and hold on to the belief that their granddaughter was still alive. The smell in the car -- sure, everyone from G & C down to the tow yard guy thought it smelled like decomposition. So what? In front of a jury you would have to prove they knew (not suspected) exactly what that smell was and tried to get rid of it to fool the police. When Cindy washed Casey's pants, she said they smelled "like the car" but, once again, she didn't know they were evidence. And, in fact, at that time they weren't evidence. They could have become valuable -- but she didn't "know" that when she did what any mother would have done -- laundered her daughter's smelly clothes.

I hope this post doesn't come across as defending anything the Anthonys did because I've just about had it with them. I'm just trying to show you how all of this will read in court -- in front of a jury. Every man and woman on the jury will be identifying with the impossible situation the parents are in and wondering what would they do. Despite the fact that I truly don't believe anything they did amounts to an obstruction charge, the pros will end up looking like they are persecuting the Anthonys and will find themselves in a "no win" situation.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hmmm, interesting. I'd like to hear how they will prove Cindy deliberately gave them the wrong hairbrush. Did Caylee have her very own? I may have missed that. I joined this crew a little late and didn't get that info.

MOMMA, don't' make me read the book from the beginning!!!!

LMAO That's how I felt about those recorded convos; I just wanted a transcript or a recap!

Link to email re: not providing LE with Caylee's hairbrush:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not necessarily saying they "should" -- just that I believe they will. If you think about it objectively, LE will come across as bullies if they go after the parents. Even a half-assed attorney (like Baez) will make them appear sympathetic in court. It will be next to impossible to prove in a court of law that George and/or Cindy intended to obstruct the investigation. Everything they said or did will be interpreted as an honest attempt to defend their daughter and hold on to the belief that their granddaughter was still alive. The smell in the car -- sure, everyone from G & C down to the tow yard guy thought it smelled like decomposition. So what? In front of a jury you would have to prove they knew (not suspected) exactly what that smell was and tried to get rid of it to fool the police. When Cindy washed Casey's pants, she said they smelled "like the car" but, once again, she didn't know they were evidence. And, in fact, at that time they weren't evidence. They could have become valuable -- but she didn't "know" that when she did what any mother would have done -- laundered her daughter's smelly clothes.

I hope this post doesn't come across as defending anything the Anthonys did because I've just about had it with them. I'm just trying to show you how all of this will read in court -- in front of a jury. Every man and woman on the jury will be identifying with the impossible situation the parents are in and wondering what would they do. Despite the fact that I truly don't believe anything they did amounts to an obstruction charge, the pros will end up looking like they are persecuting the Anthonys and will find themselves in a "no win" situation.

I get what you're saying about intention. But the Anthonys' actions speak for themselves, especially that email. Whether or not they are grieving (and for which child) might fall under some sort of mitigating circumstances, but I'm here to tell you that I wouldn't think twice about convicting them.

If nothing else, their behavior should have been exemplary considering how they've trotted out in front of the cameras demanding attention. Cindy is every bit the media wh0re and camera hog that Casey is.

[lorettalockhorn]

It has been statistically observed that when there is a death of a child in a family the percentage of divorce is on the high side. Not to say that the Anthony's are in respect of the covenant. Without a doubt, they are a divorce looking for a place to happen. If not, they have to get a very far away geographical change of address. That daughter of theirs has literally destroyed their lives. Good job Cindy, so whaddiya do for an encore? Maybe the ABUSE EXCUSE? Let her rip Cindy girl!


That was a tasteless post. :punch: I feel like being nasty today. I feel like knocking Cindy Anthony's teeth out actually. But I can't, so I'll post nasty things instead.

AHA! I was wondering who stole my Haterade.

If there is an abused party in this relationship, my money's on Georgie.

[deputydi]

I get what you're saying about intention. But the Anthonys' actions speak for themselves, especially that email. Whether or not they are grieving (and for which child) might fall under some sort of mitigating circumstances, but I'm here to tell you that I wouldn't think twice about convicting them.

If nothing else, their behavior should have been exemplary considering how they've trotted out in front of the cameras demanding attention. Cindy is every bit the media wh0re and camera hog that Casey is.
I can't disagree with anything you've said -- I'm just trying to be realistic. I think Cindy is more of a drama queen than Casey (who is just plain evil) and if LE goes strictly by the book, they could probably find something that they could turn into an obstruction charge. I'm just saying they won't.

As I'm sure you remember, I've tried to be understanding of G & C's position from the beginning. Others -- and rightly so -- have been very hard on them. If I thought for a single nano-second that Casey told them she had murdered her daughter and they tried to cover up this confession, I would be adamant about arresting them. I honestly don't think this is the case. Maybe both their heads were buried too deeply in the sand to be able to see the truth. I believe they both suspected it, but suspecting something is way different than knowing it. They didn't want to know so they never asked Casey the tough questions.

[Gatordog]

I'm so pissed off - I typed this long update of today's events and with two words to go this lousy windows vista shut me down for an update. :mad:

Well, let me tell you what Fox local is showing on the news - Baez, Henry Lee and Baden's wife have shown up at the Anthonys house to work. They walked out of the house and they all walked down the street to view the burial crime scene. The police didn't clear it for them yet but they showed up and are watching the police. She dumped that child's body so close that they just walked there!

[Gatordog]

Just when I thought I'd go easy on the Anthony's because of the hell they're going through, Lee goes and gets me all angry again. He was at the house and came storming out. People had made a small memorial on the grass betwwn the curb and the sidewalk. Lee came out, pushed everything together one a pile, and scooped it up like it was dirty laundry. It was a small wooden cross, flowers, little teddy bears and toys.

Got to go live news conference.
Ok - I'm back.

Someone needs to tell these Anthonys that the public is not the enemy. The enemy who killed their precious little girl, is sitting in jail. The public only wants to show its support and gets slammed in the process. They could do so much better for themselves by being honest and accepting the grief felt by strangers.

[deputydi]

With due respect for your opinion, which used to be my opinion, I have to say that even a ten year old child would have a hard time with the head burying idea by the second week. I'll grant them a free ticket for two weeks, yes. But, how on God's green earth did they not know Cindy was lying about Caylee's where abouts after Cindy told her straight out by phone when she called from prison and yelled at her for what she said on TV, that she lied to the police? "You lied Sweetheart" were her exact words. What fool doesn't know Caylee is dead after so many months and believes Casey's no answer answers? What mindless idiot is that gullable? IMO, they should have told Casey to rot in hell and approach the case cooperating with the police. My new opinion: THEY OBSTRUCTED THEIR BUTTS OFF! They covered for her.

Sorry if I sound cynical, loretta left her haterade here and I drank it.
Did you mean Casey -- not Cindy? I think you missed my point. Cindy's comment, "You lied Sweetheart" was referring to the wild goose chase she went on with LE to find Zanny's apt and to her office at Universal.

I am only speaking from a legal position -- not an emotional one. LEGALLY SPEAKING prove they lied about knowing Caylee was dead. Prove they lied about believing their daughter to be innocent. Prove she laundered the smelly clothes to hide evidence. We're not talking court of public opinion -- I'm talking about proving it in a courtroom in front of a jury.

Do I, personally, think they should be charged? You bet I do. Do I think they would be convicted by a jury? Not a chance.

[deputydi]

I'm so pissed off - I typed this long update of today's events and with two words to go this lousy windows vista shut me down for an update. :mad:
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I feel your pain. I have vista and that happens to me all the time.

[Gatordog]

Ok - where is that vomiting smiley icon? I need it.

They came in while he was already talking but I take it that he is upset that the police would not let him or his team near the area. He wants to know how they are supposed to make their evaluations when everything has been moved or trample upon.

He said his client is not doing well. She wants to know what us going on. Afterall, that could be her child and she can't do anything where she's at. blahhh. He actually said that with a straight face.

The best part about Baez and his team standing at the yellow crime scene tape at the grave site was Leonard Padilla standing just a short distance away, glaring at them. :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

It's dark out and the CSI crew is still at the site. They expect to be there through tomorrow.

The man who found the body, hasn't talked to the media and doesn't answer his door. Seems he wants do do the right thing. Leonard Padilla wants to do something for him because he says what he found was traumatic and he might need to talk to a professional about it and shouldn't have to pay for it out of his pocket.

No sign of George and Cindy today. I feel sorry for them. Whether or not I continue to have empathy depends on what they do going forward.

Gator

[deputydi]

It's dark out and the CSI crew is still at the site. They expect to be there through tomorrow.

The man who found the body, hasn't talked to the media and doesn't answer his door. Seems he wants do do the right thing. Leonard Padilla wants to do something for him because he says what he found was traumatic and he might need to talk to a professional about it and shouldn't have to pay for it out of his pocket.

No sign of George and Cindy today. I feel sorry for them. Whether or not I continue to have empathy depends on what they do going forward.

Gator
You're a good person, Gator. Even after getting reamed out by Cindy, you can still feel sympathy for their living nightmare. The world needs more people like you.

[lorettalockhorn]

Did you mean Casey -- not Cindy? I think you missed my point. Cindy's comment, "You lied Sweetheart" was referring to the wild goose chase she went on with LE to find Zanny's apt and to her office at Universal.

I am only speaking from a legal position -- not an emotional one. LEGALLY SPEAKING prove they lied about knowing Caylee was dead. Prove they lied about believing their daughter to be innocent. Prove she laundered the smelly clothes to hide evidence. We're not talking court of public opinion -- I'm talking about proving it in a courtroom in front of a jury.

Do I, personally, think they should be charged? You bet I do. Do I think they would be convicted by a jury? Not a chance.

Other people have been charged with and found guilty of obstruction; this wouldn't be a first. If the email from Cindy to LG could be authenticated, I think it would go a long way to pointing a jury toward a conviction. She's as nasty as Casey is slutty. A jury might just convict her on general principles.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok - where is that vomiting smiley icon? I need it.

They came in while he was already talking but I take it that he is upset that the police would not let him or his team near the area. He wants to know how they are supposed to make their evaluations when everything has been moved or trample upon.

He said his client is not doing well. She wants to know what us going on. Afterall, that could be her child and she can't do anything where she's at. blahhh. He actually said that with a straight face.

The best part about Baez and his team standing at the yellow crime scene tape at the grave site was Leonard Padilla standing just a short distance away, glaring at them. :rolleyes:

I checked the Fox site, but haven't seen anything yet, so thanks for the recap!

Sheesh Baez may be a newbie, but Kenney-Baden has a lot (of experience) under her belt. Does she really, really think that LE is going to let them into a crime scene? I think not.

You do have to feel for the utility worker. His discovery could haunt him for no telling how long. I hope he knows how grateful people are to him. He's an honest man doing an honest job who did what hundreds of trained people didn't/couldn't.

[Gatordog]

I've never seen any pix with her wearing the rosary as a fashion accessory (or didn't notice), but then again, I hadn't seen her bare arsed in the parking lot tinkling either.

So G&C didn't show up for LKL. Guess they found a lawyer who got through to them.

BUT Mark Geragos is there. Where the heck has he been??

When she was bonded out of jail, she was wearing them and she wore them a few times to Baez' office on top of the find Caylee tee shirt. I guess that's why they didn't burn her skin.

[Gatordog]

It was rich; Cindy the liar making excuses for Casey the liar. Basically she said that Casey was afraid to tell the whole truth because she was protecting the family from the kidnappers.

Gosh, there are lots of people who sympathize and empathize with G&C for plenty of reasons, some of them personal. Nothing wrong with that at all. Glad your story had a happy ending!

She basically started lying the minute she opened her mouth. I almost fell off the bed when she said that on Father's Day, she had Caylee up with her at her parents and then came home and had a nice night with Casey. They fought and yelled so loud the neighbors heard it! Not to mention that she might have also grabbed Casey by the neck.

I'd like to know where that real Cindy disappeared to and left this lying one in her place.

[Gatordog]

I find Lee's girlfriend going to the house immediately after the body was found very strange. Was thee something they needed to get rid of or what?

She was taking care of the pets while the Anthonys were in California.

[lorettalockhorn]

Woohoo! Between Christmas shopping, Dr. Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas, and today's venting, I'm beginning to feel downright festive!! :hat:

[Justice Denied?]

to think that Lee knows Casey did this and has distanced himself from her and the family. There was the video released of her talking to him from jail, and his body language TO ME said he didn't believe a word coming out of her mouth. I have a feeling he doesn't want anything to to with them anymore. The girlfriend probably went over to get something of his out of the house. Seriously for someone who was there all the time and talking to Casey all the time, he has been MIA. It's possible this was the final straw for him and he knows his sister.
It was reported that Mallory went over to the Anthony home to feed the pets. That was my first thought also, however. She went over to remove something incriminating before LE got there.

[Gatordog]

I totally get the idea Cindy does not think lying is a big deal at all. I mean when Jesse's father called her about Casey stealing money from Jesse Cindy thought he was overreacting. The apple obviously does not far fall from the tree. Who does Cindy think this little girl is. I may have heard wrong but at the end of dateline they said something in the bag tied it to the Anthony home. So, some other little dead child is connected to the Anthony home. By the way the addition of Linda K Baden is not going to save Casey. Now that they have found the body, the defense is going to really have to work hard, no dangling theory maybe she is alive. Also , if they plan on doing the SOD , Some other dude ' did defense, the defense is going to have to come up with something very specific to convince a jury. While I realize that in theory the defense does not have to prove anything, realistically to get her off, they are going to have to show motive, means and opportunity for someone else to have killed Caylee, because it is human nature to want answers and not just, 'Well it isn't Casey, it is someone else, not sure who, so okay acquit her,' No way 12 jurors will buy some vague someone else did it.

Cindy thinks lies are just "mistruths". On one of the shows, they spoken of Cindy's lying. A psychologist said that's probably how Casey learned its okay to lie if it's to get out of a bad situation.

[browneyes106]

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss. That is such a beautiful thought. I'm glad your brothers riend was able to gain comfort in his belief.

Thank you. I think he did comfort and he did give me comfort too.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh yeah i so agree Georgie was the battered husband def. emotionally. Have no idea if batwoman may have wielded one at him over the years but yes i think he cowtowed to the 2 women in the house. Those were L.P. words one night on N.G. when he was staying in at the house before the liar gave him the boot. I think George only stayed for Caylee's sake. MOO

How did this Q get past me? It just seems obvious to me that George is willing to go on the line and tell the truth when he's away from Cindy, but the minute that part of the investigation was over and the tape recorder was shut off, he had to go back to spouting from The Casey Is Not Really a Sociopath, Indeed She is Mother of the Year script.

I think Georgie screwed up big time before the Ants came to Florida, and he'll be paying for it the rest of his PWed life.

[abbra]

Speculation: George Anthony is/was in law enforcement- I'll bet he knows how to tamper with evidence and make it disappear or perhaps transfer the fingerprints of others ( Like Grunds Son) onto evidence to make it look like they committed the crime. I don't think George is as stupid as he looks. He certainly is letting Cindy do all the talking for the two of them. Is he afraid he will get confronted with questions that if he answers might not make him look too good.

How much you want to bet that He and Cindy went over their house with a fine tooth comb to possibly remove evidence that could be traced back to Georges Princess Casey!

[lorettalockhorn]

She was taking care of the pets while the Anthonys were in California.

Speaking of pets, it was reported that G&C left with the dogs last night. What about the kitty baby? Home alone?

If you're still here, we were discussing earlier who owns the property where the remains were discovered. Can you give us a physical address?

[Spider]

Even though I am still surprised at Baden's wifey on the defense I wonder if truly there is not another reason she is there. Just perhaps to prove to the defense that there is nothing whatsover that they can defend once all the results are back. I don;t think for one moment she thinks Casey could be innocent but perhaps thinks there are other family members involved. At least I feel better when I teel myself that.

I want to thank everyone for your kindness to me last night when I made the whiney comment about being ignored. Many reached out to me to assure me that was not the case. Thanks guys.

I was not able to respond last night as I have a seventeen year old stepdaughter who fits all of the criteria for Narcisistic (sp) personality disorder. My husband and I have been at odds for a few years but he has finally seen his true little princess and it scares him. It should. ( It took a wonderful female friend of his to witness it and point it out and call him n it as he has not believed me) She does have an Aunt that enables her bahavior. It will not and never will happen in my home. Once he saw the info and then finally allowed me to "catch him up" on on this case via 20/20 last night he has been very quiet but has been on princess like a duck on a junebug.

[deputydi]

It was reported that Mallory went over to the Anthony home to feed the pets. That was my first thought also, however. She went over to remove something incriminating before LE got there.
Where did you hear that? How would she even know what to remove and if it was so incriminating, why hadn't it been removed sometime in the previous 5 mths?

[Gatordog]

I honestly don't know. When I got the news, I had to go in the other room and cry as my granddaughter and greatgranddaughter were here. I have been sick at my stomach ever since.

Earlier, we had been shopping. When I was putting my GGranddaughter in the car, I said, "my goodness, we bought so much stuff, we almost had to leave you at WalMart". She said, "My mommy wouldn't leave me. She checks on me." I though about the faith of a little child. Kaylee trused her mom like that, too, and look what happened. This has just broken my heart and I never met any of this family.:rose::rose:

Justice, twenty years ago, on Thanksgiving I took my three year old nephew to the grocery store since his mom was cooking. I put him in the cart and he said to me, "Aunt Joanne, you better not forget me in this store or my Daddy is going to be real mad at you".

[lorettalockhorn]

Yep i hear ya. Can barely keep the peepers open-due at an xmas party in 10 min. not dressed still sitting here. tree is half decorated. Kids home from University-my clean house looks like a **** house now. Shopping is not finished and its' all good. I think i shall go and partake in some cheer. Cant wait to be at work for 8 a.m. tomorrow:D It's all good,It's all good. I do luv it when my house is back filled with my kids. It just sucks we are still doing the bedside death vigil with my puppa in law. So off i go and have a couple of happyades and politely scoot out as we have a really big date with our comfy bed. To sleep i might add :seeya:

Well the Grinch just brought back the toys, the flufe, the snoof and the tringlers and fuzzles, their pantookas and dafflers and wuzzles, he brought everything back! So I'll have a ciggy and a cocktail to celebrate the increase in the size of his heart.

It's great that you take time to sit with your FIL.

Sweet dreams.

[abbra]

Woohoo! Between Christmas shopping, Dr. Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas, and today's venting, I'm beginning to feel downright festive!! :hat:


OMG LorettaLH your a doodle- Too Funny- LOL

[Gatordog]

I can' help but feel pity for the Anthony's. Getting into the limelight did not serve them well, though I kind of understand what they were trying to do. I myself would not have gone public. I would have let the police do it. At the same time, they have destroyed themselves on international TV. THey are in hell right now and most likely in danger of being harmed even more. There are a lot of nuts out there who want to attack them. There is a lynch mob mentality hovering over them. They are going to need protection. No one should show their underbellies in public. Poor them. Poor Caylee.

I believe, and always believed this all happened because of the relationship between Casey and Cindy. She controlled nothing when Casey told her she wanted to give Caylee up for adoption to her friend who could not have children. She is the victim of her own micro managing of her daughter. We cannot control anyone else's journey.

Daughter or not, she was old enough to make her own decisions. When we support our adult kids we become responsible. Aye, "No free lunch kid." When an adult kid wants us to pay their way, they have to take the crap that goes with it and that includes us minding their business. Privacy is very, very expensive!

I've said those things to one of my kids who came home after he got divorced. One day he told me to mind my business and I told him to get a night job because he was living under my roof. I was a mother of 4 at age 26. My father told me to sleep in the bed I made at age 18. Grow up Casey! If you want Mommy to pay your way, prepare to get told what to do. It makes sense to me!

She hated her controlling mother killed the thing Cindy loved most in the world. What better revenge? At the same time, I say hang her high. One talking head Mark G said he thinks the death penalty is a problem, and it makes more problems. He as a lawyer thinks it should stay off the table and she should get life. Anyone here who thinks we should support Casey to the tune of 40K a year, raise your hand. :no:

Gag me. I'm feeding Loretta's evil wolf.

George and Cindy are perfectly safe, there is no mob mentality against them here in Orlando. There were mob scenes when the Liar was home, but the minute she went back to jail, all that stopped. I could understand Cindy in the beginning when she thought the was an actual kidnapper going on tv to bring attention to the child. I fault her for not accepting the truth about her **** daughter and for blaming the community for her problems. She had to focus her anger on someone and she picked the citizens instead of her killer daughter.

[browneyes106]

It's dark out and the CSI crew is still at the site. They expect to be there through tomorrow.

The man who found the body, hasn't talked to the media and doesn't answer his door. Seems he wants do do the right thing. Leonard Padilla wants to do something for him because he says what he found was traumatic and he might need to talk to a professional about it and shouldn't have to pay for it out of his pocket.

No sign of George and Cindy today. I feel sorry for them. Whether or not I continue to have empathy depends on what they do going forward.

Gator

I give the utility worker credit for not talking to the media. I also give credit to Leonard for wanting to do something for the man.

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=Danagher;9145067] Okay I have not watched LKL yet , going to now, but Tim Miller was there, unless this talking head was there during the search it is just an expert trying to talk out his butt if you will. Tim Miller was there, it was under water, at the time, he went on NG and said one of the major areas they were interested in was under water He is on tape talking about it being underwater. . He confirmed it was that exact area yesterday. I am sure they have grids that confirm this. She can shake her head all she wants but unless she was there she is just trying to defend Casey. Also the neighbors in that neighborhood who live there said until about a week ago, there was still standing water. So who should we believe some talking head who probably was not there or Tim Miller and those who live there?

I think they are both right. Jessica is a local newsreporter who has followed this from day one. LE did search the area behind the school before the hurricane came. I don't think they searched that specific area until weeks after the rain when TES tried to search there.

[browneyes106]

George and Cindy are perfectly safe, there is no mob mentality against them here in Orlando. There were mob scenes when the Liar was home, but the minute she went back to jail, all that stopped. I could understand Cindy in the beginning when she thought the was an actual kidnapper going on tv to bring attention to the child. I fault her for not accepting the truth about her **** daughter and for blaming the community for her problems. She had to focus her anger on someone and she picked the citizens instead of her killer daughter.

I agree with you gatordog Cindy should have focused her anger on Casey. Eventually she will.

[Gatordog]

I think you are all misunderstanding the revenge part of it. I think he came back to FLorida to do the search to see that Casey got her due, which I don't blame him for. I think he wanted her prosecuted once he figured out she was guilty. The reason he came back to Orlando this time was to go to a memorial or prayer service some others are planning to have, I was the one who originally suggested part of what was motivating him was because he is a guy who hates to get burned and Casey definitely burned him. Once she threw him out of the house and told him not to talk to her like LE, he vowed to help find the little girl to see that she got justice. But the getting even has nothing to do with the remains now. Leonard never mentioned it that way. just my opinion.

You said it better than I did. Thanks.

[Gatordog]

Pulled her car into the garage to use the shop vac and maybe sprayed her car with some of the bug spray to try to rid it of the smell? I sure hope LE releases the details like soon LOL.

Very good theory and very possible.

[deputydi]

George and Cindy are perfectly safe, there is no mob mentality against them here in Orlando. There were mob scenes when the Liar was home, but the minute she went back to jail, all that stopped. I could understand Cindy in the beginning when she thought the was an actual kidnapper going on tv to bring attention to the child. I fault her for not accepting the truth about her **** daughter and for blaming the community for her problems. She had to focus her anger on someone and she picked the citizens instead of her killer daughter.
I'm curious about how the locals view Cindy and George. Are they as angry toward the parents as some on this board are?

[deputydi]

I give the utility worker credit for not talking to the media. I also give credit to Leonard for wanting to do something for the man.
I hope Leonard follows through and does do something for him. I didn't know until last night that he had removed the $50k reward offer. When did he do that?

[Gatordog]

It definitly raises some flags. I hope Gator can explain further regarding that situation tomorrow.

Sorry, I'm at a loss for this one. I'll try to find out though.

[Gatordog]

I can't sleep. I keep thinking and I thought maybe if I type it out it will get out of my head. My husband and I took our 3 kids to see Santa this evening. We were in line behind a family who had a little girl. The women was holding the little girl. She was about the size of an 8 month old child so when she put her down and the little girl walked up to my 4 year old and stared him in the face I was shocked. I commented to the lady how little the child was to be walking. She said "yes she's small but she's 2 and a half" She told me the little girl was only 3 ponds when born and had heart surgery and numerous medical problems. She told me how her and her husband weren't supposed to be able to have children and then they got pregnant with her and ultrasounds showed problems and they had to go through amnios etc etc.. Anyway I thought of poor Caylee. Here was the beautiful, perfect little girl and her mother couldn't see her for the miracle she was. She took her out of this world so nobody will ever know what Caylee could have been. Here's this women at the mall with this baby who she wasn't supposed to have, who is sick, and you could tell this woman cherishes this little girl. WHY do people so undeserving like Casey have these perfect children and people like this woman have to go through heart ache that her child is sick? It's not fair. I looked at my 3 kids and was just so thankful that each of them is healthy. I could not imagine a second without them.

To answer your question... I think this is why this has gotten to me so bad. Because I am a mother who could never imagine anything happening to one of my babies. Because I see other people who can't have children who desperately want a child and to know that Casey had one and killed her. Becase Casey was so callous and uncaring from the begining. Because of all the lies she has told. Because I can't understand anything about this case. I think that's why...because I can't understand it so it makes me think.

I think it's great that your daughter showed such emotion to you when you talked to her. It shows she is a caring person. I bet she will be a great mom someday when she has children. It's moments like those when you as a parent can take a sigh of relief and realize you've done something right.

I'm going to try to sleep again. I have a wrestling tournament for my son in the morning.

Maybe these things happen so the rest of us remember to count our blessings?

[deputydi]

No mob mentality? Good! Yes unfortunately they did not embrace the public. THey transferred their hysteria which doesn't surprise me. They didn't want to attack the daughter because they thought she had information. I think Cindy cut her lose by now. George, I'm not so sure yet. I think he will hold on.
Interesting. I always thought George would be the first one to bail. He always seemed to have his feet more firmly planted in reality. The prison tapes where he is calling her "sweetheart" and "princess" disgust me but with his LE background and his attempts to be honest when he was interviewed kind of told me that once the body was found he would wash his hands of his lying, trampy, murderess daughter.

[Gatordog]

Padilla was thrown out of the Anthony's house? (Sorry I got on board late) Who threw him out and why?

Thanks

Casey threw him out of her house and said "he wasn't going to play cop" with her.

[Gatordog]

I couldn't agree with you more!

Just because the dp is on the table, doesn't mean the jury will recommend it. All it takes is one holdout during the penalty phase and the Judge's only decision will be LWOP or LWP after a specific number of years (in fact, I don't know if that last one is an option for the Judge in FL). I still think the jury should be given that option, although I seriously doubt she would get it. This one may be an exception to the statistics that say juries rarely sentence women to death and I firmly believe the decision should be up to the jury.
In Florida, I don't think it has to be uanimous for death. I think it might be 9 out of 12.

[deputydi]

That man who found the body is very wise to stay away from the cameras. We already know what that causes. The media will tear him to pieces. They will probably find his first second and third wife, his grammar school crush, his income tax evasions and his underwear size and parade his personal problems all over the world. I have a hunch the DA told him to stay under his bed or they could find him not credible because he flunked out of kindergarten. Ooooo and betcha they'd find his mistress too! Not good. Stay home! :chicken:
LOL. Your post is funny, but oh so true. His entire life will be examined and then paraded in front of the entire world.

[browneyes106]

That man who found the body is very wise to stay away from the cameras. We already know what that causes. The media will tear him to pieces. They will probably find his first second and third wife, his grammar school crush, his income tax evasions and his underwear size and parade his personal problems all over the world. I have a hunch the DA told him to stay under his bed or they could find him not credible because he flunked out of kindergarten. Ooooo and betcha they'd find his mistress too! Not good. Stay home! :chicken:

Yep that would happen Danagher.

[deputydi]

In Florida, I don't think it has to be uanimous for death. I think it might be 9 out of 12.
You're right. That surprised me so I Googled and came up with this interesting blog . . .

http://kidnappingmurderandmayhem.blogspot.com/2008/03/only-woman-on-floridas-death-row.html

It states she was given the dp by a vote of 9-3. What really surprised me is only 2 women in FL have been put to death since 1924. I knew it is highly unusual for a woman to get a death sentence, but 2 in 84 years --- wow!

With a little luck, Tiffany Cole will have company soon.

[Mac]

I give the utility worker credit for not talking to the media. I also give credit to Leonard for wanting to do something for the man.


Agreed...that worker is showing a lot of restraint. I am sure all the networks are after him

[Gatordog]

The only thing worse than her being dead is the thought of her suffering and scared on the way. How could anyone have made carrion of this beautiful little girl? I just can't understand it. I guess any crime is full of what ifs, but if only Caylee had been given up for adoption! She would be in line at a mall today waiting for Santa or something. I at least have learned that I will never try to convince someone that they shouldn't give their baby up for adoption. If a girl says she's not ready to raise a child, I will believe her...

Cindy would have adopted Caylee but couldn't without the Liar' agreement. The Liar had options but did not want to make her mother happy.

[deputydi]

I would have agreed with you until I compared his composure on Larry King, then studied his calm demeanor while he spoke to Casey in jail. He is soft on her. Cindy on the other hand was direct, told her to look at her, asked more questions than George did. George was playing finger people and treating her like she was his sun and his moon. Hrmmm, you may be right, but I saw hard core resentment between the lines with Cindy and Casey both. (Especially when Casey stood up while they were talking)
IMO George is a wimp who lets his controlling wife run everyone and everything. Cindy is the one who takes charge in every interview I've seen and every situation. I just feel in my gut that George will reach his breaking point with the "princess" first. I also think that publicly they will present a united front, but the minute the verdict comes down, George will move out of the house, probably out of state and Casey's visitors will diminish by 1.

I think the aftermath will be interesting to follow.

[lorettalockhorn]

Sorry, I'm at a loss for this one. I'll try to find out though.

Gator, I posted earlier about the location of the discovery. The 911 call states that the area is next to the elementary school. The undeveloped property on the Orange County assessor's map shows it to be parcel #13-23-30-1290-00-002 which actually crosses Suburban Drive. Have you heard a physical address for where the remains were found?

[Gatordog]

Speaking of pets, it was reported that G&C left with the dogs last night. What about the kitty baby? Home alone?

If you're still here, we were discussing earlier who owns the property where the remains were discovered. Can you give us a physical address?

I don't know who would own that property, most likely a developer. If I can get an address number, I could do a tax search.

Lee was at the house today so he probably took care of Pepper the cat. Along with destroying the memorial that people set up. :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

That man who found the body is very wise to stay away from the cameras. We already know what that causes. The media will tear him to pieces. They will probably find his first second and third wife, his grammar school crush, his income tax evasions and his underwear size and parade his personal problems all over the world. I have a hunch the DA told him to stay under his bed or they could find him not credible because he flunked out of kindergarten. Ooooo and betcha they'd find his mistress too! Not good. Stay home! :chicken:

LOL I don't care if the guy is under his bed counting the money from his income tax evasion with his mistress who was the kindergarten teacher who flunked him for lying about his underwear size; he's a hero for busting this case open in my book!

I do hope that the media has to wait with the rest of the world for his name to appear on the witness list before they start hounding him.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't know who would own that property, most likely a developer. If I can get an address number, I could do a tax search.

Lee was at the house today so he probably took care of Pepper the cat. Along with destroying the memorial that people set up. :cuss:

I've already done a tax search for the property next to the elementary school using the parcel number; the owner is Thomas Hendricks of Winter Park. Just wondered if you had current scuttlebutt.

[Gatordog]

Even though I am still surprised at Baden's wifey on the defense I wonder if truly there is not another reason she is there. Just perhaps to prove to the defense that there is nothing whatsover that they can defend once all the results are back. I don;t think for one moment she thinks Casey could be innocent but perhaps thinks there are other family members involved. At least I feel better when I teel myself that.

I want to thank everyone for your kindness to me last night when I made the whiney comment about being ignored. Many reached out to me to assure me that was not the case. Thanks guys.

I was not able to respond last night as I have a seventeen year old stepdaughter who fits all of the criteria for Narcisistic (sp) personality disorder. My husband and I have been at odds for a few years but he has finally seen his true little princess and it scares him. It should. ( It took a wonderful female friend of his to witness it and point it out and call him n it as he has not believed me) She does have an Aunt that enables her bahavior. It will not and never will happen in my home. Once he saw the info and then finally allowed me to "catch him up" on on this case via 20/20 last night he has been very quiet but has been on princess like a duck on a junebug.

Hi Spider, I believe Linda Baden is a forensics attorney. I think that these attorneys believe they are defending or representing science and not a person. Before these attorneys get killers off on a forensic or science doubt, they should take a long hard look at the defendant.

As for your stepdaughter, I think this case is making a lot of people see the light and put a stop to bad behavior before it becomes a similar situation.

[Gatordog]

I'm curious about how the locals view Cindy and George. Are they as angry toward the parents as some on this board are?

No, not really. There has been no talk at all about them trying to hide evidence or trying to decieve LE. No talk of prosecution either. Everyone just says they are in denial.

Gator

P.S. I can't believe I got bleeped on an earlier post. Sorry.

[Gatordog]

LOL I don't care if the guy is under his bed counting the money from his income tax evasion with his mistress who was the kindergarten teacher who flunked him for lying about his underwear size; he's a hero for busting this case open in my book!

I do hope that the media has to wait with the rest of the world for his name to appear on the witness list before they start hounding him.

They announced it tonight on the news. I believe the name was German, not as in the nationality - but the name "German".

Gator

[samanthajane13]

Hey Gator!!!

I need your help!!

"I don't know who would own that property, most likely a developer. If I can get an address number, I could do a tax search. "

I originally posed these questions here, and on David Lohr's blog, looking for answers, because the circumstances are JUST TOO OD!!!

"The thing is Tim Miller admitted they could not search that area very well at all because of the standing water and then later when it receded a bit chose not to search it because it was roped off and said private property so they researched other areas."

"Okay-that being said-WHO owns the land, and what happened to the rope and sign???

It just seems VERY suspicious to me that nobody mentioned the sign being there during the initial searches, but when Tim said there was too much water, and left, there's a sign and cordon when they go back to continue the search.

If the water department guy was able to go back there and relieve himself, the rope and sign must be gone now, right???

It sounds to me like MAYBE somebody deliberately put the sign there to keep the searchers out-after Tim said he would be searching it after the water receded-then took it down when TES finally gave up and left!!

It sounds to me that someone didn't want the searchers snooping around.

Just TOO CREEPY for me.

Any idea who owns this land??"

Can you shed any light on any of this??

[lorettalockhorn]

They announced it tonight on the news. I believe the name was German, not as in the nationality - but the name "German".

Gator

Oh, I haven't seen that. Link?

[samanthajane13]

"LOL I don't care if the guy is under his bed counting the money from his income tax evasion with his mistress who was the kindergarten teacher who flunked him for lying about his underwear size; he's a hero for busting this case open in my book!

I do hope that the media has to wait with the rest of the world for his name to appear on the witness list before they start hounding him."

Exactly!!

I wish him peaceful sleep, a place next to God for helping find this baby-REGARDLESS Of WHO SHE IS, a good mental health out-come from this, and I pray that he gets the reward money!!

He deserves ALL this and MORE!!

[lorettalockhorn]

"LOL I don't care if the guy is under his bed counting the money from his income tax evasion with his mistress who was the kindergarten teacher who flunked him for lying about his underwear size; he's a hero for busting this case open in my book!

I do hope that the media has to wait with the rest of the world for his name to appear on the witness list before they start hounding him."

Exactly!!

I wish him peaceful sleep, a place next to God for helping find this baby-REGARDLESS Of WHO SHE IS, a good mental health out-come from this, and I pray that he gets the reward money!!

He deserves ALL this and MORE!!

Right you are!

Someone mentioned earlier that LP has rescinded his reward $$. Anyone know anything about when? Anyone gotta link?

[lorettalockhorn]

...It was a relatively quiet day outside the Anthony home on Saturday, that was until the uncle of missing Caylee and brother of Casey stormed out the front door.

Surprising the media and onlookers who watched, Lee Anthony walked over to a makeshift memorial in front of the house, grabbing up the teddy bears and pictures that were left there in memory of his three year old niece...


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8067350&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Gatordog]

Hey Gator!!!

I need your help!!

"I don't know who would own that property, most likely a developer. If I can get an address number, I could do a tax search. "

I originally posed these questions here, and on David Lohr's blog, looking for answers, because the circumstances are JUST TOO OD!!!

"The thing is Tim Miller admitted they could not search that area very well at all because of the standing water and then later when it receded a bit chose not to search it because it was roped off and said private property so they researched other areas."

"Okay-that being said-WHO owns the land, and what happened to the rope and sign???

It just seems VERY suspicious to me that nobody mentioned the sign being there during the initial searches, but when Tim said there was too much water, and left, there's a sign and cordon when they go back to continue the search.

If the water department guy was able to go back there and relieve himself, the rope and sign must be gone now, right???

It sounds to me like MAYBE somebody deliberately put the sign there to keep the searchers out-after Tim said he would be searching it after the water receded-then took it down when TES finally gave up and left!!

It sounds to me that someone didn't want the searchers snooping around.

Just TOO CREEPY for me.

Any idea who owns this land??"

Can you shed any light on any of this??

I wish I could. I know that about one week after Tim Miller left the first time, Two wooded properties On Chickasaw Trail were posted as "no Tresspassing" and the signs hadn't been there before. People were going through those areas on their own searches so its possible the owner did post them to avoid people getting hurt and to protect himself from liability. There was a lot of standing water everywhere where there were no houses. Tim was right about that.

Loretta found the name but there has been no local news on the property owner at all.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is It Caylee? Sheriff: Size Matches

...Baez also said this week's recent developments are taking a toll on Casey Anthony

Baez, his spokesperson and other members of the defense said at this point they still believe Caylee Anthony is alive...

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/13/is_it_caylee.html

Really now. Really?

[Gatordog]

...It was a relatively quiet day outside the Anthony home on Saturday, that was until the uncle of missing Caylee and brother of Casey stormed out the front door.

Surprising the media and onlookers who watched, Lee Anthony walked over to a makeshift memorial in front of the house, grabbing up the teddy bears and pictures that were left there in memory of his three year old niece...


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8067350&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

He was like a crazed person, just piling it all up and scooping it away like dirty underwear. It wasn't on their property, it was on the city rght of way.

[samanthajane13]

"People were going through those areas on their own searches so its possible the owner did post them to avoid people getting hurt and to protect himself from liability."

Yes-and I wouldn't blame them if they DID post the property for that reason, but you'd think that LE could lift that post for a search for a missing\presumed dead child.

And when did the signs disappear??

[lorettalockhorn]

He was like a crazed person, just piling it all up and scooping it away like dirty underwear. It wasn't on their property, it was on the city rght of way.

Allow me to misquote Gale and Evelle Snoats in Raising Arizona, "She's our baby too!".

I just don't get it. The Ants want people to respect them and their feelings and theories, etc., but won't reciprocate that strangers want to honor Caylee or The Mystery Baby.

And since the Anthonys haven't offered condolences to the anonymous parents of the child whose remains were found, I'll just AssUMe that they know this child is Caylee.

[sharlock]

Right you are!

Someone mentioned earlier that LP has rescinded his reward $$. Anyone know anything about when? Anyone gotta link?
IIRC the extra reward money was to be for a certain time frame, there should be some reward money that is stilla vailable though.

[samanthajane13]

"IIRC the extra reward money was to be for a certain time frame, there should be some reward money that is stilla vailable though."


If that's true, it's a CROCK OF S#IT!!!

It's like saying-"If you find her ALIVE AND BEFORE HER BIRTHDAY, AND YOU'RE REGISTERED AS PART OF THE SEARCH TEAM, you'll get the reward. If she's dead or it's after her birthday-or you find her in your back yard or while walking your dog-SCREW YOU!"

It's just WRONG to put time limits and stipulations on this sort of thing.

[samanthajane13]

And I'd think that LP would be happy as a pig in s#it that Caylee's found, and would do the right thing with the reward, and give it ALL to this guy.

I think this whole thing has had a profound affect on him, and he's sort of "adopted" Caylee as one of his own, and he's trying his damnedest to get justice for her.

Leonard-PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!

[samanthajane13]

"And since the Anthonys haven't offered condolences to the anonymous parents of the child whose remains were found, I'll just AssUMe that they know this child is Caylee."

But then it wouldn't be ALL ABOUT THEM!!!!

They'd have to share the lime-light with ANOTHER WHOLE FAMILY!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I think Bondi is right ~ they will not go 'after' the Anthonys..they'll need George to testify and Cindy...well, she's probably not even worth going after..especially since Casey is the one they want, not Cindy. And yes, they are still considered grieving grandparents, so.....

Even Baden believes that Casey gave Caylee an OD of chloroform ~ they should have asked us...we already knew ;)

While we may not think much of the talking heads on tv, many have stated that if these remains are Caylee, the murder 1 is back, front and center. That means if she has died from an OD, that is (agg. & mal. child abuse), felony murder in Florida,and the prosecutors would be crazy not to slam her with that, given the evidence.

Hey, I'd slam her, just for that nasty mouth of hers.....:rolleyes:

Speaking of testimony, George will be in a world of hurt/pain/sh!t when he takes the stand and has to justify the information that he gave to investigators in relationship to the information that he has given the media. He is the key to what really goes on in Anthonyland, and it will be interesting to learn just which version of reality the jury decides is the truth.

[mu8shark]

I didn't think you meant it that way. I was just stating in my post that it doesn't bother me that she wasn't baptized because she is still in heavan. I think what you are saying is that it bothers you that Caylee may never have had the chance to know the Lord Jesus before she passed. She never experienced religion and had a community of people looking out for her like that. I know you Loretta and you will correct me if I'm wrong lol. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. Thinking about it in that sense bothers me too. The simple fact that she may never have known who Jesus was before meeting him face to face. Now that makes me sad.Grace indeed gives us salvation. It is a really good way of putting it. I guess I was thinking of when I was a child and someone told me if you are not bapitized you do not go to heaven and I thought then that was an awful, scary thought , which is not what I wanted religion to be. I am afraid I am not much of a religious scholar and plead ignorance a bit. I do like the way you put it Loretta. I hope she is in a warm, happy and safe place although it would have been nice for her to grow up.

[mu8shark]

Is It Caylee? Sheriff: Size Matches

...Baez also said this week's recent developments are taking a toll on Casey Anthony

Baez, his spokesperson and other members of the defense said at this point they still believe Caylee Anthony is alive...

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/13/is_it_caylee.html

Really now. Really? Well then who is being disingenious now? If they think Caylee is still alive then why all this horse you know what about seeing the autopsy of this anonymous little girl. What a dopey thing for them to say . I also found it silly that the lawyer said the Anthonys think it is cruel of them not to come right out and identify her. Of course they all suspect it is probably Casey but rules are rules and science is science. Just let it play itself out and they will I am sure get the information. The Anthonys love being martyrs in my opinion.

[mu8shark]

I wish I could. I know that about one week after Tim Miller left the first time, Two wooded properties On Chickasaw Trail were posted as "no Tresspassing" and the signs hadn't been there before. People were going through those areas on their own searches so its possible the owner did post them to avoid people getting hurt and to protect himself from liability. There was a lot of standing water everywhere where there were no houses. Tim was right about that.

Loretta found the name but there has been no local news on the property owner at all. I may be able to explain this. I had heard they were getting ready to zone that particular area for sale and to clear and build on it. When you do that according to my brother in law, they often don't want people on it, until the zoning and surveying of the property is done. I think I have my info correct but I could of sworn they said the property was to be zoned or had been. Don't hold my feet to the fire but trying to help on this.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=mu8shark;9145079]

I think they are both right. Jessica is a local newsreporter who has followed this from day one. LE did search the area behind the school before the hurricane came. I don't think they searched that specific area until weeks after the rain when TES tried to search there. This is exactly what I thought once I actually saw this on LKL . LE probably searched around the area with cadaver dogs but not at the exact place they found her. Either way I doubt Jessica can say that LE searched that exact spot as she was not there because LE does not let reporters just tag along on cadaver dog searches, so I think Jessica was being a bit of a know it all and reaching. I don't frankly see this as much of a problem, LE will get up there and be asked , did you search this exact spot or near enough that the dogs should have hit? They will answer no , and honestly and Tim will explain why he did not. Then if the defense team wants to call Tim Miller and LE liars I guess they can, but I think the defense team will have their hands full with their own liar. LOL.

[mu8shark]

Hey Gator!!!

I need your help!!

"I don't know who would own that property, most likely a developer. If I can get an address number, I could do a tax search. "

I originally posed these questions here, and on David Lohr's blog, looking for answers, because the circumstances are JUST TOO OD!!!

"The thing is Tim Miller admitted they could not search that area very well at all because of the standing water and then later when it receded a bit chose not to search it because it was roped off and said private property so they researched other areas."

"Okay-that being said-WHO owns the land, and what happened to the rope and sign???

It just seems VERY suspicious to me that nobody mentioned the sign being there during the initial searches, but when Tim said there was too much water, and left, there's a sign and cordon when they go back to continue the search.

If the water department guy was able to go back there and relieve himself, the rope and sign must be gone now, right???

It sounds to me like MAYBE somebody deliberately put the sign there to keep the searchers out-after Tim said he would be searching it after the water receded-then took it down when TES finally gave up and left!!

It sounds to me that someone didn't want the searchers snooping around.

Just TOO CREEPY for me.

Any idea who owns this land??"

Can you shed any light on any of this?? I am sure LE will ask the owner of the property, "Did you put up no trespassing signs and if he says no, then it will be something to be concerned about but I bet we are going to find out the owner did it for some purpose, which he is entitled to do. Remember TES is a private company so it is not like LE coming onto the land. They would have had every right to put up signs for whatever reason and TES probably did not contact the owners of all the property they searched and ask what was up. They probably saw the sign and looked in other places, they had plenty of them to keep looking at. I am sure they did not have time . Also see my post if it was a developer and they were selling or zoning the property.

[mu8shark]

I agree that G & C had a hand in creating this monster, but I don't think they created it consciously. IMO they aren't going to be charged with obstruction or anything else. That would be extremely hard to prove. Whether they really, in their hearts, believed Caylee was alive or not, they were defending their narcissistic daughter and that isn't illegal. Just because they refused to search for a dead Caylee and held out hope that she would be found alive isn't illegal either. I can't think of anything they did that could be construed as obstruction.

As for the "sightings" -- you must remember all the Laci sightings. I believe there were reports of Caylee sightings that came from all over the U.S. and most were probably sincere. People just want to help. I completely agree they will not get charged with a cover up , as it will be hard to prove. I especially don;t think George was covering up ,because his interview with the FBI was his attempt to tell the truth and if he was involved he never would have suggested it smelled like decomposition and been as honest as he was. I think he is honest away from Cindy and then when he goes home or is around her, it is like I said before, , he comes through that door is reprogrammed . I can't explain it, except to say I think that Cindy ran AnthonyWorld and George just tried to stay out of the way,Speaking of sincere, the one who I think wasn't was the woman who said the little girl on the plane said her name was Caylee Marie Anthony. I bet that woman feels like an ass now. She was definitely out for her fifteen minutes of fame or a friend of Cindys, the dog breeder lady.

[samanthajane13]

"I may be able to explain this. I had heard they were getting ready to zone that particular area for sale and to clear and build on it. When you do that according to my brother in law, they often don't want people on it, until the zoning and surveying of the property is done. I think I have my info correct but I could of sworn they said the property was to be zoned or had been. Don't hold my feet to the fire but trying to help on this."

Thanks, Mu-that does make sense. i just thought the appearing\disappearing signs sounded VERY FISHY!

"I am sure LE will ask the owner of the property, "Did you put up no trespassing signs and if he says no, then it will be something to be concerned about but I bet we are going to find out the owner did it for some purpose, which he is entitled to do. Remember TES is a private company so it is not like LE coming onto the land. They would have had every right to put up signs for whatever reason and TES probably did not contact the owners of all the property they searched and ask what was up. They probably saw the sign and looked in other places, they had plenty of them to keep looking at. I am sure they did not have time . Also see my post if it was a developer and they were selling or zoning the property."

Yep-but if TES is working under the auspices of LE on a search, I'm sure that the OCSD could have had the posting lifted for the search to occur, then put it back in place.

I'm sure there were at least a few sheriffs there helping with or taking part in the search, and could have contacted the responsible parties-possibly even gaining their cooperation-since this was such a publicized search.

If it was the owners, it was crappy timing.

[mu8shark]

Casey Anthony's defense brings in high-powered team
Sarah Lundy, Bianca Prieto and Willoughby Mariano | Sentinel Staff Writers
December 13, 2008

There's a star New York City defense attorney with Hollywood connections; a best-selling mystery novelist who doubles as a forensic anthropologist; an expert who testified on the assassinations of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. And a guy who knows bugs.

During an emergency hearing Friday in Orange Circuit Court, the defense for Casey Anthony, the 22-year-old mother suspected of killing her toddler daughter, unveiled a team that read like a cast of characters from a legal thriller.

They join other high-profile names such as criminalist Henry Lee -- made famous by the O.J. Simpson trial -- and Dr. Larry Kobilinsky, a forensic scientist, who is a regular on CNN's Nancy Grace.

Lead counsel Jose Baez is playing to win, his spokesman Todd Black said.:no:

"As you can see, he's been putting together a tremendous team," Black said.

The hearing was called after a meter reader discovered the bones Thursday of a child who may be Caylee Marie Anthony. The remains lay a quarter-mile from the east Orange County home the girl shared with her mother and grandparents.

Orange County deputy sheriffs did not confirm the remains are those of Caylee, but New York attorney Linda Kenney Baden, who represented music impresario Phil Spector in his murder trial last year, said in court Friday that Baez was told the measurements of the bones and the color of hair discovered match those of Caylee.

Caylee's mother and grandparents have maintained since the July 15 report of her disappearance that the girl is alive.

Boxes sent to FBI in Virginia

The legal jostling took place as Orange County deputy sheriffs sifted through dirt near where the bones were found, looking for evidence that might tell them how the child died. The child's skull was found wrapped in duct tape, and other items were found in the bag, a source told the Orlando Sentinel.

The bones are now at the Orange-Osceola Medical Examiner's Office. Casey Anthony remains in Orange County Jail without bail on first-degree-murder and other charges.

Deputies left the Anthony home early Friday with boxes and several paper bags of evidence that will be used by FBI officials in Virginia. Lab technicians will compare the items with evidence found at the scene where the body was discovered, Orange County Sheriff Kevin Beary said. He would not say what was seized from the Anthony home or collected with the remains.

Investigators likely searched the home looking for duct tape or a plastic bag similar to what was found with the body, said Richard Weinblatt, manager of the criminal-justice program at Seminole Community College.

Duct tape can pick up evidence such as carpet fibers, soil and fingerprints.

If these clues link the body with evidence gathered from the home or from the trunk of Casey Anthony's car, where tests showed signs of a decomposing body, the find could be a boon to prosecutors, Weinblatt said.

But if authorities cannot determine how long the body was in the woods, all bets are off, Weinblatt said. The defense could argue the body was placed in the woods while Casey Anthony was in jail.

"The main question is, 'Where has the body been?' " he said.


Little hope left

Hours after police left the Anthony home Friday, Caylee's grandparents Cindy and George Anthony arrived, then left with luggage and their two dogs. Their attorney, Brad Conway, said they are still trying to cope with news of the discovery and are unlikely to return home this weekend. He did not reveal where they were staying.

"They continue to pray this is not Caylee, but everyone is realistic in their expectations," Conway said. (end of page 1)

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee1308dec13,0,7376977.story?page=2"But if authorities cannot determine how long the body was in the woods, all bets are off, Weinblatt said. The defense could argue the body was placed in the woods while Casey Anthony was in jail. My opinion on Weinblatt's statement is this is nonsense. If the authorites can't tell the exact date it was placed in the woods and they won't be able to , unless someone saw her because they can only make an educated guess, a jury is not going to immediately assume that Casey did not put the body there. This is just nonsense. If for some reason they look at the remains and say "The body was placed there when Casey was in jail and we can prove it, then the defense has an edge, otherwise a jury is probably going to give LE a little bit of room . Who would you believe, the liar or the prosecution?They are not going to be able to pinpoint it exactly. Remember in Scott Peterson trial, we had competing experts telling the age of the dead baby and the jury looked at the totality of the evidence and went with the prosecution.

[mu8shark]

"I may be able to explain this. I had heard they were getting ready to zone that particular area for sale and to clear and build on it. When you do that according to my brother in law, they often don't want people on it, until the zoning and surveying of the property is done. I think I have my info correct but I could of sworn they said the property was to be zoned or had been. Don't hold my feet to the fire but trying to help on this."

Thanks, Mu-that does make sense. i just thought the appearing\disappearing signs sounded VERY FISHY!

"I am sure LE will ask the owner of the property, "Did you put up no trespassing signs and if he says no, then it will be something to be concerned about but I bet we are going to find out the owner did it for some purpose, which he is entitled to do. Remember TES is a private company so it is not like LE coming onto the land. They would have had every right to put up signs for whatever reason and TES probably did not contact the owners of all the property they searched and ask what was up. They probably saw the sign and looked in other places, they had plenty of them to keep looking at. I am sure they did not have time . Also see my post if it was a developer and they were selling or zoning the property."

Yep-but if TES is working under the auspices of LE on a search, I'm sure that the OCSD could have had the posting lifted for the search to occur, then put it back in place.

I'm sure there were at least a few sheriffs there helping with or taking part in the search, and could have contacted the responsible parties-possibly even gaining their cooperation-since this was such a publicized search.

If it was the owners, it was crappy timing. Many of the searchers said that the search itself a bit disorganized. I am sure if LE was there , and they felt that spot was really, really vital they could have spent a long time contacting the owner, asking him to remove the sign, etc, but I have a feeling they were much more interested in other sites , where the pings were. I bet they thought she put it out much further. I just don't see this as a big deal. They missed it, there were I bet legitimate reasons they can prove in court and they will go on. It probably was crappy timing I agree but you know they said they 132 areas to search and because of time constraints and money only got to half, so they probably could not spend all day on that one area and moved on. That is all I am saying. I have a kind of hinky feeling about what they found and that it will be lucky for LE.

[samanthajane13]

""But if authorities cannot determine how long the body was in the woods, all bets are off, Weinblatt said. The defense could argue the body was placed in the woods while Casey Anthony was in jail. My opinion on Weinblatt's statement is this is nonsense. If the authorites can't tell the exact date it was placed in the woods and they won't be able to , unless someone saw her because they can only make an educated guess, a jury is not going to immediately assume that Casey did not put the body there. This is just nonsense. If for some reason they look at the remains and say "The body was placed there when Casey was in jail and we can prove it, then te defense has an edge, otherwise a jury is probably going to give LE a little bit of room . Who would you believe, the liar or Casey? They are not going to be able to pinpoint it exactly. Remember in Scott Peterson trial, we had competing experts telling the age of the dead baby and the jury looked at the totality of the evidence and went with the prosecution."

I wouldn't be so worried that they can't provewhen she was put in the woods.

I'd be MUCH MORE CONCERNED if the find Caylee died during one of Skank's jail stays.

If the forensics prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Caylee expired during one of those stays, the State is SCREWED!!!!

Having said that, I believe she died while Skank was a free Skank, and she did dump her body.

[mu8shark]

All the things you mention "could" be construed as obstruction, but do you really believe LE is going to waste their time prosecuting two grieving parents who were doing everything in their power to protect the daughter they wanted desperately to believe? IMO, that just won't happen.I agree they probably did obstruct to some degree on a conscious or unconscious level but here is my thinking, do you really want the defense to be able to lay into the prosecution ala, "You can see the prosection went after this whole family when they would not do things their way, can't you?,You can see the prosecution wanted to get all the Anthonys. " I think it may not be in LE's best interest to do this unless it is something really, really obvious. I do not like the Anthonys, I think they have thrown up all kinds of problems for LE, but some people in the jury pool may see this as some kind of revenge, esp if it is something that the prosecutor has discretion on. It may be better for LE to look like they did everything they could to bend over backwards for the family. As usual deputy I agree with ya

[lorettalockhorn]

Well then who is being disingenious now? If they think Caylee is still alive then why all this horse you know what about seeing the autopsy of this anonymous little girl. What a dopey thing for them to say . I also found it silly that the lawyer said the Anthonys think it is cruel of them not to come right out and identify her. Of course they all suspect it is probably Casey but rules are rules and science is science. Just let it play itself out and they will I am sure get the information. The Anthonys love being martyrs in my opinion.

The reason that it's so uber bizarre for the defense to say today that Caylee is alive, is because just yestereffingday they were in court arguing that they should be privy to the autopsy and cited the fact that forensic anthropologists had tentatively identified the remains as being consistent with Caylee's physiology, despite the obvious that Strickland pointed out; the body had not yet been positively identified.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/12/casey-anthonys.html

Someone needs to tell the defense that they can't have it both ways.

[mu8shark]

A few things struck me today when I was bored at work and not thinking about the job. One, they probably already know if there are fingerprints on that tape by now. I hope this is a bonanza for them. They probably could of done this very quickly. I think this can really , really sink her. How could they explain her fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape? After all, unless you take it off the roll and use it...... Secondly when she ran out of gas that first time around Chicksaw, why did Tony find her walking instead of sitting by or standing by her car.? I have ran out of gas and had car trouble and once I call the person I don't take off walking. She did not want him around that car for a long time at all,s he was trying to keep that contact to a minimum, and we know why. Thirdly this is totally unrelated but on some of the boards where people were touting Caseys innocence, those people have now gone silent. I think that this may be a good indication of what the general jury pool is thinking. No more Caylee at the mall, Caylee in Puerto Rico, Caylee at the restaurant. And finally did Cindy really say the investigators have proved everything Casey has said is true. Yes she did, I heard it, but I must be dreaming. So , the Sawgrass apartment was never empty, Zenaida did live there, Casey did work at Univeral, there really is a Jeff Hopkins with a son Zach and they found Samantha the sister of Zenaida and the friends who saw Casey getting pushed down came forward. ?? What a crock of manure. There must be lots of other liars out there and only one who is famous for being the paragon of truth, Casey!!! Pftt! I just can't believe she made such a crazy statement! Hopefully we don't have to hear this being trotted out again.

[lorettalockhorn]

Many of the searchers said that the search itself a bit disorganized. I am sure if LE was there , and they felt that spot was really, really vital they could have spent a long time contacting the owner, asking him to remove the sign, etc, but I have a feeling they were much more interested in other sites , where the pings were. I bet they thought she put it out much further. I just don't see this as a big deal. They missed it, there were I bet legitimate reasons they can prove in court and they will go on. It probably was crappy timing I agree but you know they said they 132 areas to search and because of time constraints and money only got to half, so they probably could not spend all day on that one area and moved on. That is all I am saying. I have a kind of hinky feeling about what they found and that it will be lucky for LE.

I've read that the 11/8 search was somewhat disorganized, and if memory serves, that was the search that was focused on the ping data. I'm thinking that it was the September search that included the specific area where the remains were discovered.

[mu8shark]

The reason that it's so uber bizarre for the defense to say today that Caylee is alive, is because just yestereffingday they were in court arguing that they should be privy to the autopsy and cited the fact that forensic anthropologists had tentatively identified the remains as being consistent with Caylee's physiology, despite the obvious that Strickland pointed out; the body had not yet been positively identified.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/12/casey-anthonys.html

Someone needs to tell the defense that they can't have it both ways. Wow I guess that was a typo when I said it was probably Casey, I meant obviously it was probably Caylee. Probably a freudian slip.

[One2Snoop]

""But if authorities cannot determine how long the body was in the woods, all bets are off, Weinblatt said. The defense could argue the body was placed in the woods while Casey Anthony was in jail. My opinion on Weinblatt's statement is this is nonsense. If the authorites can't tell the exact date it was placed in the woods and they won't be able to , unless someone saw her because they can only make an educated guess, a jury is not going to immediately assume that Casey did not put the body there. This is just nonsense. If for some reason they look at the remains and say "The body was placed there when Casey was in jail and we can prove it, then te defense has an edge, otherwise a jury is probably going to give LE a little bit of room . Who would you believe, the liar or Casey? They are not going to be able to pinpoint it exactly. Remember in Scott Peterson trial, we had competing experts telling the age of the dead baby and the jury looked at the totality of the evidence and went with the prosecution."

I wouldn't be so worried that they can't provewhen she was put in the woods.

I'd be MUCH MORE CONCERNED if the find Caylee died during one of Skank's jail stays.

If the forensics prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Caylee expired during one of those stays, the State is SCREWED!!!!

Having said that, I believe she died while Skank was a free Skank, and she did dump her body.

The state already has proof that Caylee died in the White Pontiac which was in the liars posession at the time. Prior to the liar's incarceration - don't forget that "the dogs hit on decomp" just days after Cindy reported "the car smelled like a damn body had died in it". All caught on the 911 tape.
I don't think there's any way Caylee died during one of the liar's jail stays, no chance whatsoever, IMO.

[samanthajane13]

"The state already has proof that Caylee died in the White Pontiac which was in the liars posession at the time. Prior to the liar's incarceration - don't forget that "the dogs hit on decomp" just days after Cindy reported "the car smelled like a damn body had died in it". All caught on the 911 tape.
I don't think there's any way Caylee died during one of the liar's jail stays, no chance whatsoever, IMO. "


EXACTLY!!

[One2Snoop]

I've read that the 11/8 search was somewhat disorganized, and if memory serves, that was the search that was focused on the ping data. I'm thinking that it was the September search that included the specific area where the remains were discovered.

The only problem with that particular area was it ended up being underwater during the Texas Equisearch expedition in Sept. Tim Miller said they lost a 4 wheeler vehicle of some sort due to the water level in that area at the time.
Gatordog even verified for us that the area was underwater and had only subsided in the past few weeks.

I guess if I were a potential new home buyer and knew the area had been flooded by one of the recent hurricanes I'd think twice about buying property there. Interesting how that particular area flooded yet the school and neighboring community didn't? :confused:
God speaks in mysterious ways. :rose:

Regardless of the situation I'm so thankful Caylee was found - she deserves so much more than being thrown away in a trash bag like a piece of garbage -the Liar on the other hand - I'm sure more than enough people have garbage bags wide open for that piece of chit. She deserves nothing more than that IMO. :flamemad:

[cmb14]

Hello all! I've been lurking for a month or so. I have to say you all are a wealth of knowledge! I get so much more info here than from TV. Since I first heard about this case on NG, I've been obsessed.

The addition of the "dream team" has me worried. I'm getting flashbacks of the OJ trial. :eek: After reading here, I feel much better. I don't know how anyone can defend the Liar. Baez gives me the heebie jeebies. I just get the feeling that something hinky is going on there.

Does anyone know, and forgive me if this has been posted, if LE removed anything from Tony Lazzaro's apt? I'm thinking of the trash bags because it was reported that the Liar had Tony's garbage in the trunk of the car? Could she have used one of his garbage bags, or duct tape for that matter, to dispose of Caylee's little body?

[deputydi]

I like this group. A few years ago I read a lot of posts on Court TV message boards and swore I'd never read message boards again. I saw such terrible arguments and learned that it was impossible to give an opinion unless it was in agreement with the posters who seemed to stick together. There were insults and attacks and lots of banning by Clearwater. They'd change their names, come back and attack day after day. I was very interested in the Peterson case and the Holloway case, but I had to bow out because it was so toxic.

I expected to see that here, and it is so great that all of you are not only intelligent, you're polite, AND informative! I just wanted to mention that and say (except for the evil wolf who drinks haterade with me) I am impressed with all the good detective work here. I'm also grateful for your patience with me. You all allow me to have an opinion without whacking me over the head with a dead fish and insulting my mother. ;)

I think I suffered Post tramatic Stress from those boards (wink) and I'm still reluctant to read any other threads but this one. Thanks all of you! It's been a pleasure all the way! I love to read what you all have to say with my coffee in the morning. You have more information here than Fox and CNN so I don't miss anything when I'm not around a TV.
I so agree. It was Freshwater who banned me and I never understood why. I moved to 320Sycamore until it shut down. Everyone here seems to be totally tolerant of opposing opinions and there don't seem to be any tight cliques -- everyone is welcome with their opinions.

[deputydi]

I agree they probably did obstruct to some degree on a conscious or unconscious level but here is my thinking, do you really want the defense to be able to lay into the prosecution ala, "You can see the prosection went after this whole family when they would not do things their way, can't you?,You can see the prosecution wanted to get all the Anthonys. " I think it may not be in LE's best interest to do this unless it is something really, really obvious. I do not like the Anthonys, I think they have thrown up all kinds of problems for LE, but some people in the jury pool may see this as some kind of revenge, esp if it is something that the prosecutor has discretion on. It may be better for LE to look like they did everything they could to bend over backwards for the family. As usual deputy I agree with ya
Exactly. That's what I was trying to say when I said there is such a thing as "overkill". Anything that can be perceived by a jury as a vendetta against the family is not going to sit well with them. Thanks.

[deputydi]

Right you are!

Someone mentioned earlier that LP has rescinded his reward $$. Anyone know anything about when? Anyone gotta link?
If this has already been answered, I apologize for being repetitive.

LP was asked about the reward money on (I think it was) NG and he said he had rescinded the reward months ago because he was worried that people would go out on their own trying to collect and destroy possible evidence. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me at the time, and it still doesn't. I'd like to know if there was any formal announcement of this and when he put it out.

[Mac]

I so agree. It was Freshwater who banned me and I never understood why. I moved to 320Sycamore until it shut down. Everyone here seems to be totally tolerant of opposing opinions and there don't seem to be any tight cliques -- everyone is welcome with their opinions.



Hence the reason I am here,

The court TV board is a little more active, but if you show any kind of emotions in your thread......she bans you. I was invited into the BY Regina and got banned in 3 days. If you go off topic, you are gone, if you challende her, you are gone. I don't have the time nor the patience to deal with that. There are about 100 different forums that ALL use v-Bulletin that I can go on and debate this topic.

I chose this one because after reading the threads, it looked like to me that it was a non-formal board and there were some great discussions, led by some pretty smart people.

The Court tv blog needs to loosen up....I guess she...The Admin... digs the power. Some power...able to access the admin section of V-Bulletin....ugh! By the way ....the admin area is listed in the bottom right of the page, but you must be listed in the Admin Control to be a Mod or am Admin.

Anywho.....I enjoy the conversation here.....which is why I post

[Spider]

And just who is PAYING for this "Dream Team"? Amazing the perks media attention can garner. Anyone else would have public defenders. Will the Anthony's eventual get a big fat bill in the mail? Not likely. I paid more money for a traffic ticket than the Liar has so far.

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree, in total. Yes God speaks but I have a little wrestling match with that guy in the sky. I do believe in God, of course, but why did that little angel have to suffer so much; is the 88 thousand dollar question. (?) I have to opt for the FREE WILL of MAN philosophy. I also know first hand that there are blessings in every tragedy. But, I can't wrap my head around the visual of the beautiful miracle of that new life lying in the trunk of a steaming hot car dying slowly. It saddens me so deeply when I know her horrible mother is sitting in jail getting sympathy from her parents because she is crying. I dread seeing her sitting in a court room scared and pathetic. My evil wolf is feasting on thoughts that would get me so banned from this board. I can't even say, God help her, because I don't want him to help her. This is in the category of "UN forgivable."

Thanks for letting me vent.

We all have our ways of reaching out to a higher being; be it praying to God or whatever. I learned a long time ago that God does answer our prayers, but sometimes the answer is "no". No, we won't have peace on earth right now; no, evil and illness in our mortal life will not be eradicated; no, we will not gestalt the wonders of the world and the human mind. It's almost easier to quit reading the news that seems so sordid and horrid these days than it is to accept that it is simply not our place to comprehend God's plan for us. And it's hard not to rebel against that realization anymore now than it was when we were children and our parents' reasoning was "because I say so". I get around that frustration by counting my blessing regularly.

[cmb14]

And just who is PAYING for this "Dream Team"? Amazing the perks media attention can garner. Anyone else would have public defenders. Will the Anthony's eventual get a big fat bill in the mail? Not likely. I paid more money for a traffic ticket than the Liar has so far.

I agree Spider! Who is paying for them? Didn't George say the Liar gave or was going to give Baez money? Is that stolen money from her friend Amy or from G&C? Or just another lie from the lying-ist liars of them all?!

[lorettalockhorn]

The only problem with that particular area was it ended up being underwater during the Texas Equisearch expedition in Sept. Tim Miller said they lost a 4 wheeler vehicle of some sort due to the water level in that area at the time.
Gatordog even verified for us that the area was underwater and had only subsided in the past few weeks.

I guess if I were a potential new home buyer and knew the area had been flooded by one of the recent hurricanes I'd think twice about buying property there. Interesting how that particular area flooded yet the school and neighboring community didn't? :confused:
God speaks in mysterious ways. :rose:

Regardless of the situation I'm so thankful Caylee was found - she deserves so much more than being thrown away in a trash bag like a piece of garbage -the Liar on the other hand - I'm sure more than enough people have garbage bags wide open for that piece of chit. She deserves nothing more than that IMO. :flamemad:

Yes, and thank God that TES lost that four wheeler and called off the search at that time so as to preserve the remains (and protect his searchers)! I haven't looked at any type of terrain map, but surely the school must be on higher ground than the surrounding area.

David Lohr conducted a cyber search by going to areas suggested by his readers-Hidden Oaks Elementary School was the area that I asked him to check. He posted quite a bit about the TES search and posted an interview with the Deputy Coordinator of Florida 3 Airboat Search and Rescue also.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/caylee-anthon-6.html

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/caylee-anthon-8.html

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/the-caylee-anth.html

[Justice Denied?]

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=6441931&page=2


Cindy had it right in the beginning. . . :flamemad:

I understand your point. But we know that Cindy cleaned and washed pants and other articles of clothing from the car. We also know that cindy has been in the front of the media yelling "Caylee is not dead!".

I think the Larry King show was a last desperate attempt to try to taint the jury pool. When Cindy said that " my investigators have found evidence that everything Casey has said is true", we all hit the ceiling.

Padilla even said, casey was a prissy little princess that won't get her hands dirty. George made this monster. During the jail-house talks....all he calls her is princesss, gorgeous, etc. He was scared of discipline.....Cindy was in the wings ready to pounce on him. That tells me that George might be involved with a cover-up.

Now we go to the Media circus of all the sightings of Caylee. I think this was done to try to turn the publics image of casey. and I think it was orchestrated by Cindy.

Just my opinion, but i think that Obstruction charges for both of them are coming...and coming real soon

http://www.wftv.com/news/18267413/detail.html

I think George and Cindy both knew from the moment they smelled that car, then found out Casey was alive. They both knew what that odor was.

I hae my doubts about obstruction charges. The prosecution will want at least George to testify at trial and hopefully not hostile. I guess it will depend on how involved G & C really are.

In a way I would like to see Cindy charged for what she did.

[Justice Denied?]

remember when Padilla came forward and said that Casey told the woman staying inside the home with Casey, said that casey said " They havent even found her clothing yet"

Man o man.....this tells me she knew the baby was naked, and the clothes are somewhere else

jmo

Didn't they find the clothing nearby? Everything in falling into place perfectly to make this a great case to prosecute (so far, anyway).

[Justice Denied?]

I certainly hope they can come up with a cause. I think it would give a lot of people a lot of peace who would otherwise spend the rest of their lives wondering.

[Gatordog]

IIRC the extra reward money was to be for a certain time frame, there should be some reward money that is stilla vailable though.

Looks like another injustice might take place. Crimestoppers was offering a $5K reward for a tip to the recovery of the body. 911 was called so he might not get that reward. I'll let you know if they change that policy and let him have the money. It was on cfnews13 yesterday.

[lorettalockhorn]

If this has already been answered, I apologize for being repetitive.

LP was asked about the reward money on (I think it was) NG and he said he had rescinded the reward months ago because he was worried that people would go out on their own trying to collect and destroy possible evidence. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me at the time, and it still doesn't. I'd like to know if there was any formal announcement of this and when he put it out.

Thanks! I found something around 2am this morning on one of the media sites from 9/26 (maybe), but of course can't find it now. I did find this from the 12/12 NG transcript:

I`m JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, in for Nancy Grace. Bombshell developments tonight. Authorities say they are now confident the remains discovered are Caylee`s.

So many questions. Let`s go straight out to Jannie in Tennessee. Your question, ma`am?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I`m just wondering, the reward money, if it does turn out to be her, would the utility worker be the one who would get the money? And I just want to say what a great job the whole staff has done on covering this case.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the whole Nancy Grace staff has done an amazing job, including producer Natisha Lance.

Leonard LEONARD PADILLA, reward money?

LEONARD PADILLA: There was a reward if she was found alive. And for a period of time, I had offered one if she was found dead, but that was recalled because a lot of people were trampling back yards and stuff. And so I took it off the table way back.

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=203

[Justice Denied?]

Just when I thought I'd go easy on the Anthony's because of the hell they're going through, Lee goes and gets me all angry again. He was at the house and came storming out. People had made a small memorial on the grass betwwn the curb and the sidewalk. Lee came out, pushed everything together one a pile, and scooped it up like it was dirty laundry. It was a small wooden cross, flowers, little teddy bears and toys.

Got to go live news conference.
Ok - I'm back.

Someone needs to tell these Anthonys that the public is not the enemy. The enemy who killed their precious little girl, is sitting in jail. The public only wants to show its support and gets slammed in the process. They could do so much better for themselves by being honest and accepting the grief felt by strangers.

I saw that with Lee moving all the stuff from the memorial. Made me absolutely furious. People are just expressing their grief and paying their respects. He was threatening to call LE and have the people arrested if they stepped on the property.

What kind of people are these? I would cherish each memento and hold it close to my heart.:rose::rose::rose:

[Gatordog]

Ouch, Loretta, you're right. Talking to the detectives was bad enough, but when they get him on the stand.......oh, man.

I can't remember if it was Kobe last night, that said probably some of the testing has results already. Hair? I'm sure they knew from the get go it was she, otherwise they wouldn't have let the media run with it, even before they announced it was probable.

Couldn't sleep well , (again) last night cause I kept thinking about the @#*! duct tape over the mouth of the skull. You piece of s**t. not only did you OD her with %$#&@ chloroform, you taped her mouth shut while she was unconscious so she wouldn't scream out when she 'woke' up.

That scenario kept going on and on in my mind, and I kept picturing her face when she opened up the trunk and Caylee laying there with the tape still on her mouth..so she takes her out later and NEVER EVEN TAKES THE TAPE OFF HER LITTLE MOUTH

I can see I'm not going to sleep well tonight either.

Maybe she never woke up. Perhaps she just slipped away in her sleep. I am most interested to find out if the hyoid (sp?) bones are broken. That means strangulation.

[lorettalockhorn]

Looks like another injustice might take place. Crimestoppers was offering a $5K reward for a tip to the recovery of the body. 911 was called so he might not get that reward. I'll let you know if they change that policy and let him have the money. It was on cfnews13 yesterday.

Don't see anything about that on their website. What? The guy was supposed to call someone before 911?? Sheesh Did find this:

Michelle Bart, spokeswoman for Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said the family is suspicious of the circumstances leading to the findings.

"It's been searched dry, it's been searched wet, it's been searched in between. It's been searched over by Tim Miller [of Texas EquuSearch] twice, who we hold in high regards with his professional organization," Bart told News 13.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/14/is_it_caylee_anthonys_suspicious.html

Oh, and the latest developments are taking a toll on Casey. Cry me a Friver.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe she never woke up. Perhaps she just slipped away in her sleep. I am most interested to find out if the hyoid (sp?) bones are broken. That means strangulation.

The hyoid is particularly interesting to me considering that the skull had been detached from the spinal column. I wonder by what process. And I wonder if all vertebrae are accounted for.

[Gatordog]

I may be able to explain this. I had heard they were getting ready to zone that particular area for sale and to clear and build on it. When you do that according to my brother in law, they often don't want people on it, until the zoning and surveying of the property is done. I think I have my info correct but I could of sworn they said the property was to be zoned or had been. Don't hold my feet to the fire but trying to help on this.

There is no new building going on and whatever construction has been started stopped about six months ago. Those areas are probably going to be listed as either wetlands or included in the flood plaibn now due to all the water that was standing for so long.

[javahog]

Looks like another injustice might take place. Crimestoppers was offering a $5K reward for a tip to the recovery of the body. 911 was called so he might not get that reward. I'll let you know if they change that policy and let him have the money. It was on cfnews13 yesterday.

It may be different in Orlando, but when I worked for the city of San Francisco, it was in our employee manual that we could not receive a reward if whatever it was happened while we were working. As city employees, any reporting of crime related stuff was seen as our duty even if it was not part of our job.

[Gatordog]

""But if authorities cannot determine how long the body was in the woods, all bets are off, Weinblatt said. The defense could argue the body was placed in the woods while Casey Anthony was in jail. My opinion on Weinblatt's statement is this is nonsense. If the authorites can't tell the exact date it was placed in the woods and they won't be able to , unless someone saw her because they can only make an educated guess, a jury is not going to immediately assume that Casey did not put the body there. This is just nonsense. If for some reason they look at the remains and say "The body was placed there when Casey was in jail and we can prove it, then te defense has an edge, otherwise a jury is probably going to give LE a little bit of room . Who would you believe, the liar or Casey? They are not going to be able to pinpoint it exactly. Remember in Scott Peterson trial, we had competing experts telling the age of the dead baby and the jury looked at the totality of the evidence and went with the prosecution."

I wouldn't be so worried that they can't provewhen she was put in the woods.

I'd be MUCH MORE CONCERNED if the find Caylee died during one of Skank's jail stays.

If the forensics prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Caylee expired during one of those stays, the State is SCREWED!!!!

Having said that, I believe she died while Skank was a free Skank, and she did dump her body.

Don't forget there is an indentation in the ground where the body was found. Tim Miller saw it and said it had to be there for a long time for it to do that. They will also be able to judge by the vegetation around it - if the plants underneath it are dead and likre straw and the surrounding area has growth, the might be able to tell the time frame from that.

[javahog]

The hyoid is particularly interesting to me considering that the skull had been detached from the spinal column. I wonder by what process. And I wonder if all vertebrae are accounted for.

The bones in a child this young aren't as solid as an older person. I think the atlas vertebra still has 3 pieces held together by cartilage instead of one solid piece yet. Depending on the amount of soft tissue missing, the fact that the head was loose may not mean a broken neck...

[samanthajane13]

"Looks like another injustice might take place. Crimestoppers was offering a $5K reward for a tip to the recovery of the body. 911 was called so he might not get that reward. I'll let you know if they change that policy and let him have the money. It was on cfnews13 yesterday."

If that IS true, it's SOOOOO WRONG!!!

It shouldn't matter who the Hell he called first.

He FOUND HER!!!

[Gatordog]

If this has already been answered, I apologize for being repetitive.

LP was asked about the reward money on (I think it was) NG and he said he had rescinded the reward months ago because he was worried that people would go out on their own trying to collect and destroy possible evidence. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me at the time, and it still doesn't. I'd like to know if there was any formal announcement of this and when he put it out.

I don't think he said they were destroying evidence, he said they were going onto private property and people's yards disturbing their property. I never heard any statement that he was rescinding his reward.

[abbra]

I remember the moment on the Larry King Show with the Anthony's when Cindy was challenged about her statement to the police in the 911 call. She is recorded as saying: July 15, 2008: Caylee Anthony reported missing. Cindy Anthony called 911 and said, "I found out my granddaughter has been taken, she has been missing for a month." Casey Anthony allegedly told her family and police that she had not seen her daughter for 31 days and had launched her own investigation. In one of three calls placed to 911, Cindy Anthony said, "I found my daughter's car today and it smelled like there's been a dead body in the damn car." Cindy Anthony later retracted that statement, and the Anthony family rallied around Casey.


She told Larry K. that she has a habit of saying, when she opens her fridge and smells something, that "It smells like something died in here." Did I really hear that fool try to make a comparison to her habit of saying, something died in the frige?

Help me! I can't stand it! If this isn't a slam dunk case I'm not living on the planet earth.


The minute I heard Cindy say that Danny I thought to myself - Thats a really lame excuse she was giving Larry- changing the story. Remember her reaction on the tape. She knows what a " damn dead Body" smells like for Gods sake, shes a nurse she had to come across that smell at one time or another. Plus the frantic tone in her voice about the smell. It was her tone that is giving away her now lie. No one gets that hysterical when describing a fabrication of a story. Her hysteria about the smell and the missing child were very real and I hope prosecutors bring that up.

[javahog]

The bones in a child this young aren't as solid as an older person. I think the atlas vertebra still has 3 pieces held together by cartilage instead of one solid piece yet. Depending on the amount of soft tissue missing, the fact that the head was loose may not mean a broken neck...

Actually, the c1 is in 2 pieces at until age 7 since one fuses by age 1 http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/smd/RAD/neurocases/Neurocase102.htm

But the only thing that holds the head to the body, regardless of age, is soft tissue. If enough is gone, any head falls off...

[Gatordog]

And just who is PAYING for this "Dream Team"? Amazing the perks media attention can garner. Anyone else would have public defenders. Will the Anthony's eventual get a big fat bill in the mail? Not likely. I paid more money for a traffic ticket than the Liar has so far.

What I've heard on local reports is that in cases like this, the specialists do it probono. The money is in the "after trial" attention - books, movie deals, articles, etc.

Gator.

[Justice Denied?]

Justice, twenty years ago, on Thanksgiving I took my three year old nephew to the grocery store since his mom was cooking. I put him in the cart and he said to me, "Aunt Joanne, you better not forget me in this store or my Daddy is going to be real mad at you".

That's what I mean Jo Anne. These little ones look to us to keep them safe.
I have 2 granddaughters and a ggranddaghter between 3 and 4 yrs. I am especially attached to my ggranddaughter as I cared for her as an infant. She slept in my bed the night we heard about Kaylie. It's a wonder I didn't squeeze her to death!

How a mother could do something like this, I'll never know.But then we are trying to figure out a psychopathic mind with our limited, rational minds.

[javahog]

The minute I heard Cindy say that Danny I thought to myself - Thats a really lame excuse she was giving Larry- changing the story. Remember her reaction on the tape. She knows what a " damn dead Body" smells like for Gods sake, shes a nurse she had to come across that smell at one time or another. Plus the frantic tone in her voice about the smell. It was her tone that is giving away her now lie. No one gets that hysterical when describing a fabrication of a story. Her hysteria about the smell and the missing child were very real and I hope prosecutors bring that up.

Somehow I can't hear "George, clean out the fridge. It smells like there's been a damn dead body in it!" She was clearly not using some habitual sort of figure of speech in that phone call, she clearly meant what she said, and clearly didn't want to say it because of the implications. It was almost like she was forcing out the words, and then they just came in a breathless rush.

[Justice Denied?]

Where did you hear that? How would she even know what to remove and if it was so incriminating, why hadn't it been removed sometime in the previous 5 mths?

I think I was probably wrong on this one. But it wasmy first thought when they said a woman "rushed into the house". Sorry if I misled anyone.

[samanthajane13]

"something died in the frige?"

IDK about anyone else, but I have PERSONALLY used the "smells like something died in there" comment MANY times.

To describe my bathroom, my fridge or my daughters' laundry. LOL!!! Girls can be SOOOO much ickier\messier\grosser then boys.

I've also asked if someone was starting an antibiotic culture I the fridge if I found something "furry' in there.

Just saying-I've BEEN there and said that.

[abbra]

The state already has proof that Caylee died in the White Pontiac which was in the liars posession at the time. Prior to the liar's incarceration - don't forget that "the dogs hit on decomp" just days after Cindy reported "the car smelled like a damn body had died in it". All caught on the 911 tape.
I don't think there's any way Caylee died during one of the liar's jail stays, no chance whatsoever, IMO.

BINGO SNOOP! Lets hope the state remembers to stick this point ( White Pontiac) to the jury continually over and over so that it stays in the jurys minds.

[browneyes106]

And just who is PAYING for this "Dream Team"? Amazing the perks media attention can garner. Anyone else would have public defenders. Will the Anthony's eventual get a big fat bill in the mail? Not likely. I paid more money for a traffic ticket than the Liar has so far.

I agree with you. The Dream Team could be doing it for free in order to get media attention. Baez has news links on his firm's website. The Anthonys have a history of financial problems. Cindy's brother posted on topix.com about the financial troubles they had in Ohio. I think what will happen is after the trial is done they will put their house up for sale but it will be a stigmatized property. George and Cindy will be in massive debt once this thing is over.

[browneyes106]

What I've heard on local reports is that in cases like this, the specialists do it probono. The money is in the "after trial" attention - books, movie deals, articles, etc.

Gator.

That makes sense to. They will get their pay afterwards.

[lorettalockhorn]

Actually, the c1 is in 2 pieces at until age 7 since one fuses by age 1 http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/smd/RAD/neurocases/Neurocase102.htm

But the only thing that holds the head to the body, regardless of age, is soft tissue. If enough is gone, any head falls off...

The ME's report is going to be interesting (to me anyway) on that aspect; whether it was a natural or criminal process. I'm trying to avoid making assumptions.

[lorettalockhorn]

Somehow I can't hear "George, clean out the fridge. It smells like there's been a damn dead body in it!" She was clearly not using some habitual sort of figure of speech in that phone call, she clearly meant what she said, and clearly didn't want to say it because of the implications. It was almost like she was forcing out the words, and then they just came in a breathless rush.

It's so hard for me to imagine George the neat freak letting anything get that fetid in the fridge. My impression is that he is pretty OCD about cleanliness and maintenance. Well, that is, if you don't count the gas gauge that somehow escaped his attention leaving poor Gorgeous to run out of gas over and over. You'd think he'd want to make sure that the car that Caylee was being driven around in was in tiptop running order.

[abbra]

"something died in the frige?"

IDK about anyone else, but I have PERSONALLY used the "smells like something died in there" comment MANY times.

To describe my bathroom, my fridge or my daughters' laundry. LOL!!! Girls can be SOOOO much ickier\messier\grosser then boys.

I've also asked if someone was starting an antibiotic culture I the fridge if I found something "furry' in there.

Just saying-I've BEEN there and said that.

The think is though SammyJane- I worked in a hospital and know what cadavers smell like. You never forget the smell. Even George told the FBI about the smell which when he was telling it it was so clear and not rehearsed. Neither was Cindys statement on the phone. The Tone in her voice tells the real story. Does anyone else notice the truths between the lies of what Cindy and George are saying now- mainly Cindy?

[abbra]

It's so hard for me to imagine George the neat freak letting anything get that fetid in the fridge. My impression is that he is pretty OCD about cleanliness and maintenance. Well, that is, if you don't count the gas gauge that somehow escaped his attention leaving poor Gorgeous to run out of gas over and over. You'd think he'd want to make sure that the car that Caylee was being driven around in was in tiptop running order.


EXcellent points Loretta

[browneyes106]

A few things struck me today when I was bored at work and not thinking about the job. One, they probably already know if there are fingerprints on that tape by now. I hope this is a bonanza for them. They probably could of done this very quickly. I think this can really , really sink her. How could they explain her fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape? After all, unless you take it off the roll and use it...... Secondly when she ran out of gas that first time around Chicksaw, why did Tony find her walking instead of sitting by or standing by her car.? I have ran out of gas and had car trouble and once I call the person I don't take off walking. She did not want him around that car for a long time at all,s he was trying to keep that contact to a minimum, and we know why. Thirdly this is totally unrelated but on some of the boards where people were touting Caseys innocence, those people have now gone silent. I think that this may be a good indication of what the general jury pool is thinking. No more Caylee at the mall, Caylee in Puerto Rico, Caylee at the restaurant. And finally did Cindy really say the investigators have proved everything Casey has said is true. Yes she did, I heard it, but I must be dreaming. So , the Sawgrass apartment was never empty, Zenaida did live there, Casey did work at Univeral, there really is a Jeff Hopkins with a son Zach and they found Samantha the sister of Zenaida and the friends who saw Casey getting pushed down came forward. ?? What a crock of manure. There must be lots of other liars out there and only one who is famous for being the paragon of truth, Casey!!! Pftt! I just can't believe she made such a crazy statement! Hopefully we don't have to hear this being trotted out again.

Cindy made herself look a fool when she said that on Dateline. I sort of laughed when I heard her say that. This woman seriously needs help. I doubt her investigators will have any proof to things Casey has said.

[samanthajane13]

"The think is though SammyJane- I worked in a hospital and know what cadavers smell like. You never forget the smell. Even George told the FBI about the smell which when he was telling it it was so clear and not rehearsed. Neither was Cindys statement on the phone. The Tone in her voice tells the real story. Does anyone else notice the truths between the lies of what Cindy and George are saying now- mainly Cindy? "

Abbra-

I know exactly what you mean. I've toured the cadaver room at University of Buffalo during my training as a dental assistant, and YES-you never forget that smell.

I also came home from a long week-end to find one of our cats had passed away while we were gone.

AGAIN-THE SAME SMELL. Species doesn't matter. Decomposing "meat" all smells the same.

I'm just saying that I DO understand someone using that particular phrase in a sarcastic way when they encounter a REALLY VILE SMELL!!

[deputydi]

It's so hard for me to imagine George the neat freak letting anything get that fetid in the fridge. My impression is that he is pretty OCD about cleanliness and maintenance. Well, that is, if you don't count the gas gauge that somehow escaped his attention leaving poor Gorgeous to run out of gas over and over. You'd think he'd want to make sure that the car that Caylee was being driven around in was in tiptop running order.
I've used that phrase myself and was ready to give Cindy a pass on the "dead body" comment until I read your post. You're right -- the man has been described as a neat freak and I can't believe anyone that compulsive would allow anything to get to that point. He probably has everything in the freezer and the frige labeled and dated.

[Gatordog]

It just angered me again this morning seeing Lee destroy the little memorial for Caylee. Local news is making a big issue over it, and rightly so. His behavior lately leads me to wonder what exactly is his involvement in this tragedy after Caylee's death.

I went to the burial site this morning to put flowers from us at the memorial that is being placed there. No way was I going to leave anything near that den of wackos (am I going to get bleeped again?)

I was going to place pink carnations but then I saw three pink roses with baby's breath flowers. I like that boquet because I saw it as a pink rose for each year of her life and the breath that her mother took away.

I was able to go right up to the yellow tape where there is a tree where people had placed flowers and stuffed toys. I cannot tell you how close this site is to the Liar's house. You don't even have to cross any streets. There is a house on the corner of Hopespring Circle and Suburban. They have a wooden fence around their backyard. About 20 feet fom the fence is the blue tent covering the grave site. It's about 15 feet from the road.

In all honesty, I cannot tell you it had not been found earlier. I don't understand how the family with the fence did not smell it. It is almost in their backyard! I am sure people must jog or walk dogs there every day. The last thing I want to do is question this site, but now I know why LE is being so careful to gather every bit of evidence. The defence is definitely going to question whether this body has been there for almost six months. I pray that the police find a jogger or walker who can confirm a bad odor in the area in July. Perhaps being sealed in the bag kept the odor from being strong enough to notice.

There were two sheriff's deputies behind the yellow tape and there were many trucks, generators, stations and officers near the blue tent when I left tghe flowers. When I left, instead of making a u turn, I went up Hopespring.

In a blink of an eye, I was at the Antony home Cindy's SUV was in the driveway. There was a guy with a videocamera on the sidewalk across fom the home. I guess its the webcam.

Believe me, the location of the body is going to be a problem.

Gator

[samanthajane13]

Oh, Gator-

How VERY SWEET to pick up the bouquet for Caylee.

I agree that the pink roses are PERFECT!

I also agree with everything you said about the location of the site, the near-by house, and people potentially coming across her body earlier-especially is they were walking dogs!!!

Poor dogs must have gone NUTS going past tat lot! I can imagine they pulled their owners toward the body, wanting to check it out!!! I'm sure that even if the body was sealed in a bag, the dogs MUST have gotten a whiff.

Too bad you didn't have a paint-ball gun with you when you passed the Anthonys' house...LOL!!!

I know-SHAME ON ME!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I've used that phrase myself and was ready to give Cindy a pass on the "dead body" comment until I read your post. You're right -- the man has been described as a neat freak and I can't believe anyone that compulsive would allow anything to get to that point. He probably has everything in the freezer and the frige labeled and dated.

Yes. But is everything alphabetized?!?!?!??!?!

Guess I've got him beat by a long shot. :hat:

Lawsy, the neighbors are going to call 911 and report a hyena over here!!

[Gatordog]

http://www.wesh.com/video/18275048/index.html

At the end where the reporter is talking, that's where I put the roses. Please take note of the wooden fence and then look how close the blue tent is to the street and the fence.

Gator
p.s. don't let Lee get your blood pressure up.

[lorettalockhorn]

It just angered me again this morning seeing Lee destroy the little memorial for Caylee. Local news is making a big issue over it, and rightly so. His behavior lately leads me to wonder what exactly is his involvement in this tragedy after Caylee's death.

I went to the burial site this morning to put flowers from us at the memorial that is being placed there. No way was I going to leave anything near that den of wackos (am I going to get bleeped again?)

I was going to place pink carnations but then I saw three pink roses with baby's breath flowers. I like that boquet because I saw it as a pink rose for each year of her life and the breath that her mother took away.

I was able to go right up to the yellow tape where there is a tree where people had placed flowers and stuffed toys. I cannot tell you how close this site is to the Liar's house. You don't even have to cross any streets. There is a house on the corner of Hopespring Circle and Suburban. They have a wooden fence around their backyard. About 20 feet fom the fence is the blue tent covering the grave site. It's about 15 feet from the road.

In all honesty, I cannot tell you it had not been found earlier. I don't understand how the family with the fence did not smell it. It is almost in their backyard! I am sure people must jog or walk dogs there every day. The last thing I want to do is question this site, but now I know why LE is being so careful to gather every bit of evidence. The defence is definitely going to question whether this body has been there for almost six months. I pray that the police find a jogger or walker who can confirm a bad odor in the area in July. Perhaps being sealed in the bag kept the odor from being strong enough to notice.

There were two sheriff's deputies behind the yellow tape and there were many trucks, generators, stations and officers near the blue tent when I left tghe flowers. When I left, instead of making a u turn, I went up Hopespring.

In a blink of an eye, I was at the Antony home Cindy's SUV was in the driveway. There was a guy with a videocamera on the sidewalk across fom the home. I guess its the webcam.

Believe me, the location of the body is going to be a problem.

Gator

The bouquet is poetry. Thanks for everything. Great post.

[deputydi]

It <snip>
Believe me, the location of the body is going to be a problem.

Gator

I've never smelled a decaying body, but if the odor is as pungeant and distinctive as everyone is saying, the defense will probably make a big deal of the fact it wasn't noticed by anyone. Although, now that I think of it, didn't someone say that there was standing water up till a couple of weeks ago? Would being submerged mask the smell? By the time the water receded and the bag was exposed, decomp would have been complete and the odor gone.

ETA: The pink roses and baby's breath is just perfect.

[samanthajane13]

A bit OCD, are we, Loretta???

LOL!!

You sound like my mom!!

[TLC]

A bit gruesome but it occured to me that maybe she used the bug spray to try to kill maggots? As for George trying to destroy evidence, I get the impression that he was a deputy but not a very good one. No evidence, just demeanor IMO.

[samanthajane13]

"Would being submerged mask the smell? By the time the water receded and the bag was exposed, decomp would have been complete and the odor gone."

Quite possible, Deputy!!

And being submerged AND wrapped in the bag, the area wouldn't have smelled that bad until the bag opened or was torn. It would have contained the odor.

[Gatordog]

I agree with you. The Dream Team could be doing it for free in order to get media attention. Baez has news links on his firm's website. The Anthonys have a history of financial problems. Cindy's brother posted on topix.com about the financial troubles they had in Ohio. I think what will happen is after the trial is done they will put their house up for sale but it will be a stigmatized property. George and Cindy will be in massive debt once this thing is over.

Until she writes her book and then sells the movie rights.

[Gatordog]

I've never smelled a decaying body, but if the odor is as pungeant and distinctive as everyone is saying, the defense will probably make a big deal of the fact it wasn't noticed by anyone. Although, now that I think of it, didn't someone say that there was standing water up till a couple of weeks ago? Would being submerged mask the smell? By the time the water receded and the bag was exposed, decomp would have been complete and the odor gone.

ETA: The pink roses and baby's breath is just perfect.

The body would have been dumped sometime between June 24 and 27th. Hurricane Faye did not occur until mid-July and it rained for five straight days. The body, if it was there, would have been there about three weeks before the rain began. I'll check on the date, but I am pretty sure the Liar was locked up for about 32 days and she was released on bond during the storm.

Tropical Storm Fay hit Central Florida on August 19th. The body would have been there about seven weeks before the storm hit.

[lorettalockhorn]

A bit gruesome but it occured to me that maybe she used the bug spray to try to kill maggots? As for George trying to destroy evidence, I get the impression that he was a deputy but not a very good one. No evidence, just demeanor IMO.

The maggots were her best friends. They were destroying the soft tissue and organs that would help to nail down a cause of death (and hopefully time of death) in case Caylee was discovered.

That's not to say that she's smart enough to have figured that out.

[deputydi]

The maggots were her best friends. They were destroying the soft tissue and organs that would help to nail down a cause of death (and hopefully time of death) in case Caylee was discovered.

That's not to say that she's smart enough to have figured that out.
Don't forget -- from the reports we've heard there is still some soft tissue left on the skeleton. This can be tested for a number of things -- including CHLOROFORM. I don't know how they will nail down a time of death scientifically, but the circumstantial evidence will take care of that.

[One2Snoop]

Thanks Gator for taking the pink roses to the memorial site - it brought tears to my eyes.

http://i34.tinypic.com/212a5xd.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't forget -- from the reports we've heard there is still some soft tissue left on the skeleton. This can be tested for a number of things -- including CHLOROFORM. I don't know how they will nail down a time of death scientifically, but the circumstantial evidence will take care of that.

I haven't forgotten. Was almost giddy when I first read about it.

[One2Snoop]

What on earth is he thinking? :eek: :no:

Casey Anthony's Attorney Turned Away From Search Scene
Saturday, December 13, 2008 – updated: 11:47 am EST December 14, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's attorney and his search team were turned away Saturday from the location where a child's remains were found near the home of his client's parents, but Jose Baez did show up at George and Cindy Anthony's home to inspect it.

Baez arrived at the discovery scene with nationally-know forensics expert Dr. Henry Lee, who has worked on high-profile cases involving O.J. Simpson, Laci Peterson and Jon Benet Ramsey, but investigators would not allow them to look over the area where the remains were discovered Thursday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18271333/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Would Aspergers Syndrome Explain Casey Anthony?

http://autism-types.suite101.com/article.cfm/would_aspergers_syndrome_explain_casey_anthony

[FDInLaw]

Would Aspergers Syndrome Explain Casey Anthony?

http://autism-types.suite101.com/article.cfm/would_aspergers_syndrome_explain_casey_anthony

Much like our friend Kevin, some believe Casey has an anti-social disorder. At least, that is what was stated on the 20/20 program.



GATOR ~ Great choice for flowers! Three pink roses was perfect. Thank you so much! :rose:

[TheSkwerl]

Nothing would explain Casey Anthony or what she did, no excuse, no explaination, no nothing. It just comes down to selfishness and irresponsibility. And I'd also like to mention that Lee and Cindy are no better. There's no excuse or reason for what they are doing either. George needs to stand up and be a man and tell the authorities the truth since, I guess, nobody else can make their mouths work that way (maybe they think their mandible will fall off if they tell the truth).
Sorry, I'm in a mood today.

[abbra]

It just angered me again this morning seeing Lee destroy the little memorial for Caylee. Local news is making a big issue over it, and rightly so. His behavior lately leads me to wonder what exactly is his involvement in this tragedy after Caylee's death.

I went to the burial site this morning to put flowers from us at the memorial that is being placed there. No way was I going to leave anything near that den of wackos (am I going to get bleeped again?)

I was going to place pink carnations but then I saw three pink roses with baby's breath flowers. I like that boquet because I saw it as a pink rose for each year of her life and the breath that her mother took away.

I was able to go right up to the yellow tape where there is a tree where people had placed flowers and stuffed toys. I cannot tell you how close this site is to the Liar's house. You don't even have to cross any streets. There is a house on the corner of Hopespring Circle and Suburban. They have a wooden fence around their backyard. About 20 feet fom the fence is the blue tent covering the grave site. It's about 15 feet from the road.

In all honesty, I cannot tell you it had not been found earlier. I don't understand how the family with the fence did not smell it. It is almost in their backyard! I am sure people must jog or walk dogs there every day. The last thing I want to do is question this site, but now I know why LE is being so careful to gather every bit of evidence. The defence is definitely going to question whether this body has been there for almost six months. I pray that the police find a jogger or walker who can confirm a bad odor in the area in July. Perhaps being sealed in the bag kept the odor from being strong enough to notice.

There were two sheriff's deputies behind the yellow tape and there were many trucks, generators, stations and officers near the blue tent when I left tghe flowers. When I left, instead of making a u turn, I went up Hopespring.

In a blink of an eye, I was at the Antony home Cindy's SUV was in the driveway. There was a guy with a videocamera on the sidewalk across fom the home. I guess its the webcam.

Believe me, the location of the body is going to be a problem.

Gator

Awwwwwwww God Love Ya Gator! This whole thing just makes me sick and now with the part about the duct tape. Just terrible.

[Gatordog]

Cindy and Geoge went to church service today. They went to the 11 am service but got there 20 minutes early to meet with the pastor. Cindy was hugging a teddy bear that had been Caylee's. Someone was walking right next to her, I thought she looked like she was going to fall over for a moment.

The detectives and csi are still at the location. For some reason which the reporter couldn't figure out, the head medical examiner and chief of detectives were at the site. You may know who the medical examiner is, Dr. G - she has her own show on autopsies. You couldn't find a better person to do this examination.

Baez was at the location again today. More on that at 5:30 report.

[Gatordog]

Question for all you good minds out there. Could Caylee have been buried much deeper in the ground? Then when the torrential weather hit brought her poor body closer to the surface? Not sure what exact soil and how it would react under those conditions? Is that plausible?

Sounds possible to me also gives me some relief thinking that could be the case. Perhaps a dog dug up the grave just the night before, unearthing the bag.

[abbra]

Hey everyone Doctor Lee has been losing his credibility. We have a case in our area that has been going on for a long time. A wife of a millionaire turned up missing but her car was found in her driveway in the early morning. The husband has been accused of murdering her then disposing of the body but there is no body to be found. She was in the process of getting a divorce and custody of their small children but the couple had been living in the same home up until she went missing. Calvin the Husband had numerous mistresses and it came out in court that Michelle found out about the latest and thats why she filed for divorce. There was a mistrial but now the DA is bringing the case back up for trial. Lee was called in on the case. Here is some of the reports given those involved with the case.

(Blood evidence a key
When the trial begins, Keene could face a dilemma with his blood-expert witness. Famed forensics expert Dr. Henry Lee testified at the first Harris trial that the specks of Michele's blood found in the house were recent. Lee's opinion was based on what he saw in six-year-old photographs taken by state police.

But Lee's credibility has been called into question after a judge in California last year ruled he hid evidence in a Los Angeles murder case. Lee testified via videotape in the Harris case before the California judge made his ruling.

Harris' attorneys were unable to re-call Lee to the stand in Owego so they could challenge his credibility.

The blood evidence in the case is crucial.

Less than 10 drops of Michele's blood were found in the kitchen area and the garage, experts testified at trial. A 1-inch-square spot of her blood also was found on a throw rug in the kitchen. But no murder weapon has ever been discovered.)

This is from the Michelle Harris Murder Trial :

http://www.theithacajournal.com/article/20081019/NEWS01/81019002

and http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071103/NEWS01/711030338/1001

48 Hours on CBS did a piece on the case and is following up on this case now that the Husband is going back on trial.

[Spider]

Could Lee possibly be on the Casey is innocent side of the fence? If so that make's him involved somehow in my eyes. After all, why would someone innocent refuse to submit to DNA testing and/or a lie detector test?

[Gatordog]

Leonard Padilla brought something up that he's real concerned about -the man who found the remains is named German Gonzales. As in Zenaida Gonzales....

He says the defense is going to try to link them together and say he was involved:eek:.

As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".

[Mac]

I think George and Cindy both knew from the moment they smelled that car, then found out Casey was alive. They both knew what that odor was.

I hae my doubts about obstruction charges. The prosecution will want at least George to testify at trial and hopefully not hostile. I guess it will depend on how involved G & C really are.

In a way I would like to see Cindy charged for what she did.


When George testifies at the trial I hope they ask him about perjury. He told the FBI guys about the decomp smell....then had the nuts to go on Larry King and say it was garbage.....I think Cindy was holding a knife under the table to his *****. "You will say GARBAGE George....or you will never see your **** again"!!!!!!!!!!

[abbra]

"

Abbra-

I know exactly what you mean. I've toured the cadaver room at University of Buffalo during my training as a dental assistant, and YES-you never forget that smell.

I also came home from a long week-end to find one of our cats had passed away while we were gone.

Aw SammyJ. So sorry about your cat. That must have been horrible for you. Oh We of Strong Stomachs- wasn't it peachy touring the cadaver room? I can never forget one Christmas Holiday when the State Troopers brought me a decomposing arm of a hunter that had been reported missing over the Thanksgiving Holiday. Seems the snow preserved it then on the hour drive into the hospital it started to thaw.
Sorry everyone I don't mean to gross you all out. I had been known as Ms Tag Em and Bag Em by the Coroner and Local law enforcement who would bring the deceased to our hospital. I was the only one who could deal with cleaning up the bodys after autopsy and preparing them for funeral homes that would get the remains. I always took the mindset though that these bodies are people who have families who love them and that they were people who deserved respect in life and death so that got me past the unpleasantness of body preparation.

[Gatordog]

Could Lee possibly be on the Casey is innocent side of the fence? If so that make's him involved somehow in my eyes. After all, why would someone innocent refuse to submit to DNA testing and/or a lie detector test?

Hey Spider, you know, this is Florida and depending where they move the trial to, having Henry Lee as a witness can backfire on them. He can be difficult to understand and people from the south might find hin even more difficult to follow.

[abbra]

Leonard Padilla brought something up that he's real concerned about -the man who found the remains is named German Gonzales. As in Zenaida Gonzales....

He says the defense is going to try to link them together and say he was involved:eek:.

As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".

Are you serious Gator? If its so I am not surprised.

[Gatordog]

At approximately 7 pm, the family's spokeswoman is going to have a press conference. George and Cindy will not be present.

[Gatordog]

Dr. G was at the burial site for about two hours this afternoon.

[abbra]

At approximately 7 pm, the family's spokeswoman is going to have a press conference. George and Cindy will not be present.


My heart is racing. Can it be that the spokeswoman will now verify that the remains found at the site are those of Caylee making it official.

[Justice Denied?]

Grace indeed gives us salvation. It is a really good way of putting it. I guess I was thinking of when I was a child and someone told me if you are not bapitized you do not go to heaven and I thought then that was an awful, scary thought , which is not what I wanted religion to be. I am afraid I am not much of a religious scholar and plead ignorance a bit. I do like the way you put it Loretta. I hope she is in a warm, happy and safe place although it would have been nice for her to grow up.

Shark, I said I wasn't going to comment on the religious aspects of this matter because of the large variety of belief systems, but you seem so upset, here goes.

Southern Baptists believe that a child is without sin until it reaches the "age of reason." In other words, can reason things out and understand the consequences of their actions and purposely do the wrong thing. A child can't sin because they can't reason. (It's like insanity. If you don't know right from wrong how can it be wrong?)

Some churches believe we are born into sin and if we die before baptism we don't go to heaven. I remember when I was a child, a neighbor woman refused to let her baby be buried because her PASTOR TOLD HER THE BABY WOULD GO TO HELL. But I believe when Jesus died on the cross, his blood covered all our sins. As you were speaking, god's grace is sufficient for all our sins. Jesus said, "Suffer the little children to come to me and forbid them not for such is the Kingdom of Heaven." There is an old song that says Jesus has a rocking chair. Well, that's where Caylee is tonight, being rocked by her heavenly father.

All the above is JMOO and not intended to upset or anger anyone.
to everyone who is having trouble sleeping, there are some fantastic Christmas movies on Lifetime andHallmark to help get you mind off things.

[Gatordog]

My heart is racing. Can it be that the spokeswoman will now verify that the remains found at the site are those of Caylee making it official.

I think it will be official when LE announces it but she may be willing to admit that the family does believe it's Caylee. The police met Cindy and George at the airport and were with them for quite a while. I would guess that they described certain things they found and maybe even had them ID the clothing items -if they found any.

[Gatordog]

Shark, I said I wasn't going to comment on the religious aspects of this matter because of the large variety of belief systems, but you seem so upset, here goes.

Southern Baptists believe that a child is without sin until it reaches the "age of reason." In other words, can reason things out and understand the consequences of their actions and purposely do the wrong thing. A child can't sin because they can't reason. (It's like insanity. If you don't know right from wrong how can it be wrong?)

Some churches believe we are born into sin and if we die before baptism we don't go to heaven. I remember when I was a child, a neighbor woman refused to let her baby be buried because her PASTOR TOLD HER THE BABY WOULD GO TO HELL. But I believe when Jesus died on the cross, his blood covered all our sins. As you were speaking, god's grace is sufficient for all our sins. Jesus said, "Suffer the little children to come to me and forbid them not for such is the Kingdom of Heaven." There is an old song that says Jesus has a rocking chair. Well, that's where Caylee is tonight, being rocked by her heavenly father.

All the above is JMOO and not intended to upset or anger anyone.
to everyone who is having trouble sleeping, there are some fantastic Christmas movies on Lifetime andHallmark to help get you mind off things.

Very touching.

[Mac]

A bit gruesome but it occured to me that maybe she used the bug spray to try to kill maggots? As for George trying to destroy evidence, I get the impression that he was a deputy but not a very good one. No evidence, just demeanor IMO.

Good point TLC......she might have come back to kill the maggots. Wonder if there is chloroform in bug spray?????

[Gatordog]

It must have taken some courage to walk that road to the site in order to place those flowers for Caylee. You must have felt the energy from the sadness all around there. It was a good thing you did and a beautiful statement of respect for that little girls life. You're one of those angels on earth who stands for something.

I want to thank everyone for their kind words. I felt all of you beside me while I was placing the flowers. I did nothing different than any of you would have done if you were as close to the area as I am.

I was happy a few minutes ago because channel 13 news showed the little memorial and someone rearranged it and our flowers were right on top, in the front. I guess someone else saw the meaning in those particular flowers. :rose:

[Spider]

Hey Spider, you know, this is Florida and depending where they move the trial to, having Henry Lee as a witness can backfire on them. He can be difficult to understand and people from the south might find him even more difficult to follow.


I'm an NC gal myself so I get what you are saying about Dr. Lee. Who I really meant though was Lee the Brother.

[FDInLaw]

My heart is racing. Can it be that the spokeswoman will now verify that the remains found at the site are those of Caylee making it official.

Is there any local coverage of this??? I'm posting from out of state.

[Gatordog]

While doing a search on something, I came across a post that I found interesting. Unfortunately I cannot claim credit for this question or theory. Casey Anthony had been stealing and hadn't been seen in days and only text messaging very brief messages home. George and Cindy find their car which Casey uses had been towed two weeks ago. They go pick up the car and find it stinks like death. and even has maggots in the trunk. Their daughter's purse is still in the car along with Caylee's favorite doll which she always has with her. Why would they not call 911 right then and there? Any normal parent would have been concerned and most likely called the police to report it. Instead, they take it home and clean it out. They try airing and maybe even hosing the trunk. Cindy washes the clothes which reek of death. Why not call 911 instead of driving the car home? George knew something was wrong. They were covering up for her from the very start.

[lighthousedazy]

:flamemad:It just angered me again this morning seeing Lee destroy the little memorial for Caylee. Local news is making a big issue over it, and rightly so. His behavior lately leads me to wonder what exactly is his involvement in this tragedy after Caylee's death.

I went to the burial site this morning to put flowers from us at the memorial that is being placed there. No way was I going to leave anything near that den of wackos (am I going to get bleeped again?)

I was going to place pink carnations but then I saw three pink roses with baby's breath flowers. I like that boquet because I saw it as a pink rose for each year of her life and the breath that her mother took away.

I was able to go right up to the yellow tape where there is a tree where people had placed flowers and stuffed toys. I cannot tell you how close this site is to the Liar's house. You don't even have to cross any streets. There is a house on the corner of Hopespring Circle and Suburban. They have a wooden fence around their backyard. About 20 feet fom the fence is the blue tent covering the grave site. It's about 15 feet from the road.

In all honesty, I cannot tell you it had not been found earlier. I don't understand how the family with the fence did not smell it. It is almost in their backyard! I am sure people must jog or walk dogs there every day. The last thing I want to do is question this site, but now I know why LE is being so careful to gather every bit of evidence. The defence is definitely going to question whether this body has been there for almost six months. I pray that the police find a jogger or walker who can confirm a bad odor in the area in July. Perhaps being sealed in the bag kept the odor from being strong enough to notice.

There were two sheriff's deputies behind the yellow tape and there were many trucks, generators, stations and officers near the blue tent when I left tghe flowers. When I left, instead of making a u turn, I went up Hopespring.

In a blink of an eye, I was at the Antony home Cindy's SUV was in the driveway. There was a guy with a videocamera on the sidewalk across fom the home. I guess its the webcam.

Believe me, the location of the body is going to be a problem.

GatorGood post, Gator and thanks for all the local info. The sense of smell is strange at times. Being a Ga. farmgirl I have smelled many dead animal in the woods and traveling the backroads to S. Ga. I would think that the remains being in a bag and under water for several months would have stifled the smell.

I can't understand Lee's reaction. Maybe he is in shock. I also don't like the idea of this "so called dream team". I will stand up for our justice system, but I cannot see how anyone could defend a satan spawned evil *****. :flamemad: my opinion.

[browneyes106]

It just angered me again this morning seeing Lee destroy the little memorial for Caylee. Local news is making a big issue over it, and rightly so. His behavior lately leads me to wonder what exactly is his involvement in this tragedy after Caylee's death.

I went to the burial site this morning to put flowers from us at the memorial that is being placed there. No way was I going to leave anything near that den of wackos (am I going to get bleeped again?)

I was going to place pink carnations but then I saw three pink roses with baby's breath flowers. I like that boquet because I saw it as a pink rose for each year of her life and the breath that her mother took away.

I was able to go right up to the yellow tape where there is a tree where people had placed flowers and stuffed toys. I cannot tell you how close this site is to the Liar's house. You don't even have to cross any streets. There is a house on the corner of Hopespring Circle and Suburban. They have a wooden fence around their backyard. About 20 feet fom the fence is the blue tent covering the grave site. It's about 15 feet from the road.

In all honesty, I cannot tell you it had not been found earlier. I don't understand how the family with the fence did not smell it. It is almost in their backyard! I am sure people must jog or walk dogs there every day. The last thing I want to do is question this site, but now I know why LE is being so careful to gather every bit of evidence. The defence is definitely going to question whether this body has been there for almost six months. I pray that the police find a jogger or walker who can confirm a bad odor in the area in July. Perhaps being sealed in the bag kept the odor from being strong enough to notice.

There were two sheriff's deputies behind the yellow tape and there were many trucks, generators, stations and officers near the blue tent when I left tghe flowers. When I left, instead of making a u turn, I went up Hopespring.

In a blink of an eye, I was at the Antony home Cindy's SUV was in the driveway. There was a guy with a videocamera on the sidewalk across fom the home. I guess its the webcam.

Believe me, the location of the body is going to be a problem.

Gator

Thank you Gator for placing the roses in honor of Caylee.

[Gatordog]

Is there any local coverage of this??? I'm posting from out of state.

Nothing yet - I have the local 24 hr news channel on. They did say that Michelle Bart said she would be at the location where the vigils had been held and would talk to the media expressing her own feelings and not the Anthonys. Something tells me that the new attorney and Bart do not agree on media attention. He was on the news saying the Anthonys have nothing to say and will stay secluded.

[lighthousedazy]

Question for all you good minds out there. Could Caylee have been buried much deeper in the ground? Then when the torrential weather hit brought her poor body closer to the surface? Not sure what exact soil and how it would react under those conditions? Is that plausible?
Hi Beem, I am a little behind and trying to catch up. In Central Georgia during the flood of 1994, when Hurricane or TS alberto came through in the town of Hawkinsville, Ga, many, many coffins in the city cemetary washed up and surfaced. It was hard for the folks to put them back in correct order. That flood reaped havoc in several areas.

[Gatordog]

Maybe I'm soft in the head, :punch:, but I'm cutting Cindy some slack. I think that the road ahead of her is going to be worse than the road that's behind her. By that I mean that I think the defense team is going to tear her to shreds. If there is evidence that the Liar handled that bag and did kill Caylee, the defense will claim temporary insanity. The will say the fight cindy had with her traumatized her and when she was grabbed by the neck, she feared for her life. They will say that she couldn't think straight and was temporarily out of her mind. It will be the old Jean Harris/Scarsdale Dr. defense. She made me crazy, I was going to kill myself with the chloroform, instead I woke up and found Caylee dead by accident. She wasn't supposed to inhale it. It's going to be Cindy's fault and the Liar is going to love seeing her mother tortured like that.

[browneyes106]

:flamemad:Good post, Gator and thanks for all the local info. The sense of smell is strange at times. Being a Ga. farmgirl I have smelled many dead animal in the woods and traveling the backroads to S. Ga. I would think that the remains being in a bag and under water for several months would have stifled the smell.

I can't understand Lee's reaction. Maybe he is in shock. I also don't like the idea of this "so called dream team". I will stand up for our justice system, but I cannot see how anyone could defend a satan spawned evil *****. :flamemad: my opinion.

The thing with a lot of defense attorneys is that often they defend people simply to get to paid and support their families. When a defense lawyer's client is convicted often they move on to other clients, cases or careers. It's hard to tell how Casey got this dream team and how the Anthonys will pay for it. I think Linda Kenney Badan just wants publicity. I'm considering law school but I would never be a defense attorney. There are innocent people in our prison systems and those people need justice. With Casey Anthony scientific evidence and past history prove her guilt. Maybe if Casey had employed for the past few years and didn't party so much we could presume her innocent. But at this point evidence is too overwhelming. I believe if Casey is convicted. Baez, Baden and others will move on.Baden will probably find another high profile case to join and Baez will continue his law practice. Then Casey and the Anthonys will claim incompetency on the legal team and try and appeal. By then the Anthonys won't be able to put together another dream team. Casey Anthony will never gain support like the West Memphis Three because there is way too much evidence against her. I believe the WM3 are innocent. Eventually people like Baez and Baden will be haunted by their careers.

[FDInLaw]

Nothing yet - I have the local 24 hr news channel on. They did say that Michelle Bart said she would be at the location where the vigils had been held and would talk to the media expressing her own feelings and not the Anthonys. Something tells me that the new attorney and Bart do not agree on media attention. He was on the news saying the Anthonys have nothing to say and will stay secluded.

Thanks. . . I've been searching the Internet.

[Justice Denied?]

The think is though SammyJane- I worked in a hospital and know what cadavers smell like. You never forget the smell. Even George told the FBI about the smell which when he was telling it it was so clear and not rehearsed. Neither was Cindys statement on the phone. The Tone in her voice tells the real story. Does anyone else notice the truths between the lies of what Cindy and George are saying now- mainly Cindy?

I have noticed it over and over. I keep trying to pinpoint exactly when they went from accusatoy to defending Casey. And, of course, wondering :shrug:why.

[Justice Denied?]

It's so hard for me to imagine George the neat freak letting anything get that fetid in the fridge. My impression is that he is pretty OCD about cleanliness and maintenance. Well, that is, if you don't count the gas gauge that somehow escaped his attention leaving poor Gorgeous to run out of gas over and over. You'd think he'd want to make sure that the car that Caylee was being driven around in was in tiptop running order.

Wasn't Casey running out of gas during the time she was staying with Tony? Wasn't around forr George to check on.

[deputydi]

Shark, I said I wasn't going to comment on the religious aspects of this matter because of the large variety of belief systems, but you seem so upset, here goes.

Southern Baptists believe that a child is without sin until it reaches the "age of reason." In other words, can reason things out and understand the consequences of their actions and purposely do the wrong thing. A child can't sin because they can't reason. (It's like insanity. If you don't know right from wrong how can it be wrong?)

Some churches believe we are born into sin and if we die before baptism we don't go to heaven. I remember when I was a child, a neighbor woman refused to let her baby be buried because her PASTOR TOLD HER THE BABY WOULD GO TO HELL. But I believe when Jesus died on the cross, his blood covered all our sins. As you were speaking, god's grace is sufficient for all our sins. Jesus said, "Suffer the little children to come to me and forbid them not for such is the Kingdom of Heaven." There is an old song that says Jesus has a rocking chair. Well, that's where Caylee is tonight, being rocked by her heavenly father.

All the above is JMOO and not intended to upset or anger anyone.
to everyone who is having trouble sleeping, there are some fantastic Christmas movies on Lifetime andHallmark to help get you mind off things.
This is a wonderful and comforting post. Thank you. Caylee is being rocked in the arms of God.

[Its just me]

I’m pretty sure I heard on a news report (fox news) that Casey hasn’t been visited by the Anthony’s since she was last arrested. Is this true? If it is do any of you know why George/Cindy/Lee hasn’t been to the jail to visit Casey?

I also heard on Fox News… the spot where the remains were found was described having a small indention in the ground with dead vegetation under the garbage bag….gave an example of a log laying in the same spot for some time.

[Its just me]

This is a wonderful and comforting post. Thank you. Caylee is being rocked in the arms of God.

I agree it's a very good post. I believe with all my being that Little Caylee is now in heaven with God and all that is with God...who created her soul as He does all souls and the Bible tells us God creates/created our "souls" for His enjoyment. Caylee's spiritual body instantly went to be with God the moment she died. MHOO but a firm one. fep

[browneyes106]

I chugalugged that last glass of Haterade. Lee Anthony, at a glance is another camera lover. I watched him do his latest circus act on the front lawn of his parent's home. He had an audience. He could have waited until dark to do his thing. Yes, I can almost understand why he did it. Perhaps he was protecting his mother's feelings and perhaps he was offended due to his certain grief. Not that I agree it was an appropriate response. Normal people would have been touched. I would have been. But we're talking about the Flying Wallenda's here. They all have this need to be noticed. Starting with the momma unit. Correction: George doesn't seem to enjoy attention as much though.

I agree about Lee. He seems to want media attention.He could have waited until the media was gone or it was dark.

[deputydi]

I’m pretty sure I heard on a news report (fox news) that Casey hasn’t been visited by the Anthony’s since she was last arrested. Is this true? If it is do any of you know why George/Cindy/Lee hasn’t been to the jail to visit Casey?

I also heard on Fox News… the spot where the remains were found was described having a small indention in the ground with dead vegetation under the garbage bag….gave an example of a log laying in the same spot for some time.
I have wondered the same thing. The reason I heard given was they didn't want to divert the attention away from the search for Caylee. Their visits would create too much of a media frenzy. That never made much sense to me. :shrug:

I also heard the report giving the description of the ground under the remains. The timeline puzzles me. If Caylee was killed on or about June 20, and Casey was arrested the first time on charges of neglect the middle of July, where was the body during that month? If she had been tossed into the field where her body was found, why didn't anyone smell the decomposing body? At first I thought it was because of the flooding, but that didn't occur until the end of August. I've been to FL in July and Aug (visiting my kids) and I know how hot and humid it is. I can't imagine a simple household garbage bag could contain that smell in the FL heat. I guess the only logical thing I can come up with is Casey could have buried her in a shallow grave and the floods brought it to the surface. I hope the experts are able to explain this.

[deputydi]

I agree about Lee. He seems to want media attention.He could have waited until the media was gone or it was dark.
He could have waited but I don't think he did it for attention. Lee has been almost invisible since his sister was charged with murder. I actually admired him for staying away from the media and for not jumping on the talk show circuit. I think he's known for a while that his sister is a murderer, but he is there now to support his parents. Can you even imagine being in the house with them for 5 minutes? Actually, I'd love to be a fly on the wall to hear some of the conversations when the camera isn't rolling.

[Gatordog]

I’m pretty sure I heard on a news report (fox news) that Casey hasn’t been visited by the Anthony’s since she was last arrested. Is this true? If it is do any of you know why George/Cindy/Lee hasn’t been to the jail to visit Casey?

I also heard on Fox News… the spot where the remains were found was described having a small indention in the ground with dead vegetation under the garbage bag….gave an example of a log laying in the same spot for some time.

True to both - since her last arrest, the Liar has only had visits from members of trhew legal team. Reasn given is that the Liar doesn;t want her family to have to suffer the media attacks - yeah and I have a bridge to sell.:cool:

Tim Miller saw the location and he confirmed the indentation in the ground as if something had been there a long time.

[samanthajane13]

"Aw SammyJ. So sorry about your cat. That must have been horrible for you. Oh We of Strong Stomachs- wasn't it peachy touring the cadaver room? I can never forget one Christmas Holiday when the State Troopers brought me a decomposing arm of a hunter that had been reported missing over the Thanksgiving Holiday. Seems the snow preserved it then on the hour drive into the hospital it started to thaw.

Sorry everyone I don't mean to gross you all out. I had been known as Ms Tag Em and Bag Em by the Coroner and Local law enforcement who would bring the deceased to our hospital. I was the only one who could deal with cleaning up the bodys after autopsy and preparing them for funeral homes that would get the remains. I always took the mindset though that these bodies are people who have families who love them and that they were people who deserved respect in life and death so that got me past the unpleasantness of body preparation."


Abbra-

It's so strange seeing the name SammyJ...I use the name of my long-deceased dog as my screen-name, and we ALWAYS called her Sammy Jane when she was in trouble. I'm sure she's keeping everyone on their toes at Rainbow Bridge...LOL!!! And I'm sure she lifted her head as she realized someone NEW was typing out her name...

Yeah the cat was hard...coming home and finding it like THAT. Not that we weren't expecting it-she was old-but not being there with her to hold and rock her to Rainbow Bridge was even harder.

And as for being Ms Tag Em and Bag Em, SOMEBODY has to do it, and I'm glad that you do it, because you give them the respect they deserve.

It's a grizzly world we live in, and yours is a particularly unpleasant job, but we need more people like you who are willing to do it!!

[Gatordog]

As of tomorrow, Michelle Bart will no longer be the Anthony's spokesperson. The attorney is going to be the spokesperson. His name is Brad Conway.

[FDInLaw]

This may have been discussed already, but I just caught this. . . kind of wonder if Casey might get off easy if this is true. . .



The forensic examiner will use dental records and DNA evidence to identify the remains, Baden said. The examiner will check to see if there are signs of trauma that could indicate a violent death, and should check for chloroform, which could indicate the death was accidental, he said.

"If it is chloroform as the cause of death, then it could be an accidental overdose and would not be capital, first-degree murder, because sometimes chloroform is used as a babysitter, to put a baby to sleep while mom goes out partying," Baden told FOX


http://abajournal.com/news/plastic_bag_of_remains_tape_found_by_caylee_anthon y_home_could_yield_finger

[Gatordog]

This may have been discussed already, but I just caught this. . . kind of wonder if Casey might get off easy if this is true. . .



http://abajournal.com/news/plastic_bag_of_remains_tape_found_by_caylee_anthon y_home_could_yield_finger

At this point how can we trust anything he says since his wife is a member of the defense team. He is also the one who months ago questioned the validity of death bands on hair. He said the decomposure could have been caused by hair being yanked out of the head.

[Its just me]

True to both - since her last arrest, the Liar has only had visits from members of trhew legal team. Reasn given is that the Liar doesn;t want her family to have to suffer the media attacks - yeah and I have a bridge to sell.:cool:

Tim Miller saw the location and he confirmed the indentation in the ground as if something had been there a long time.

Thanks for the info. I'm betting the no visitation has more to do with herself Casey than her family. Maybe at least she's embarrassed for the media to show her in the pokey.

I appreciate you showing respect and placing the flowers at the grave site. People appreciate it whether the family does or not. fep

[Its just me]

I have wondered the same thing. The reason I heard given was they didn't want to divert the attention away from the search for Caylee. Their visits would create too much of a media frenzy. That never made much sense to me. :shrug:

I also heard the report giving the description of the ground under the remains. The timeline puzzles me. If Caylee was killed on or about June 20, and Casey was arrested the first time on charges of neglect the middle of July, where was the body during that month? If she had been tossed into the field where her body was found, why didn't anyone smell the decomposing body? At first I thought it was because of the flooding, but that didn't occur until the end of August. I've been to FL in July and Aug (visiting my kids) and I know how hot and humid it is. I can't imagine a simple household garbage bag could contain that smell in the FL heat. I guess the only logical thing I can come up with is Casey could have buried her in a shallow grave and the floods brought it to the surface. I hope the experts are able to explain this.

I think it would depend on the quality of the garbage bag and how well it was sealed. I'm not overly concerned that no one smelled anything. I'm a farm girl and years ago when we had livestock we had animals die out in the woods/fields and IIRC the bad smell does not last a long long time so it's possible it could be that by the time the garbage bag leaked..the horrific odor would have been gone. Just a thought. fep

[lighthousedazy]

This may have been discussed already, but I just caught this. . . kind of wonder if Casey might get off easy if this is true. . .



http://abajournal.com/news/plastic_bag_of_remains_tape_found_by_caylee_anthon y_home_could_yield_fingerOh my, I'm not as educated and smart as Doc Baden, but is he getting confused in his elder years? Choloroform is poison and an illegal substance... Maybe he is confusing it with paragoric from the old days (an opiate I think) not a good idea either but not toxic like chloroform. :cuss:

Quote: "If it is chloroform as the cause of death, then it could be an accidental overdose and would not be capital, first-degree murder, because sometimes chloroform is used as a babysitter, to put a baby to sleep while mom goes out partying," Baden told FOX.

[Gatordog]

http://www.local6.com/video/18262788/index.html

[deputydi]

This may have been discussed already, but I just caught this. . . kind of wonder if Casey might get off easy if this is true. . .



http://abajournal.com/news/plastic_bag_of_remains_tape_found_by_caylee_anthon y_home_could_yield_finger
That's just crazy. A murder that occurs during the commission of another crime is still considered first degree. Using chloroform as a "babysitter" IMO is a CRIME. An accidental death would be Caylee falling in the swimming pool and drowning then Casey trying to cover it up. That wouldn't be a first degree charge but Baden is nuts if he thinks the pros will downgrade the charge.

[Its just me]

At this point how can we trust anything he says since his wife is a member of the defense team. He is also the one who months ago questioned the validity of death bands on hair. He said the decomposure could have been caused by hair being yanked out of the head.

I totally agree. I can't remember exactly what he said but last night I remember thinking...Boy, The Doc. sure seems to be playing toward the defense. I'm so afraid that Caylee's justice will get lost among these so called experts who are mostly interested in their name. (public image) MHOO fep

[lorettalockhorn]

Leonard Padilla brought something up that he's real concerned about -the man who found the remains is named German Gonzales. As in Zenaida Gonzales....

He says the defense is going to try to link them together and say he was involved:eek:.

As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".

Oh for pity's sake; it's not like Florida is the WASP capital of the world. Of the tens of thousands of Hispanics living in Orlando, surely many of them have the surname Gonzales and it's asinine to assume that they are kin or know each other.

psst I bet Leonard is kin to Carlos Padilla and that's where he gets all the information that he uses to formulate his theories. :rolleyes:

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes, but I have not always subscribed to that understanding of a higher power, though I was raised Roman Catholic. (I've recovered) I was angry with God for many years when my son passed. I've come full circle loretta and you nailed it on top of my nail. It seems here on this board, with this case I am talking out of both sides of my face. I have no excuse, except to say, this creature who didn't even bother wiping her mouth after she swallowed Caylee's soul makes me entertain hate. (I'm working on it.)

I certainly agree with your beautiful post. Thank you for sharing that.

It seems that about half the folks that I know who were raised Catholic needed recovery. Then again, I have a friend who converted to Catholicism because he was raised Lutheran and that traumatized him, i.e. if you didn't feel worse coming out of the service than you did going in, the minister hadn't done his job.

One thing we all have in common despite religion and everything else, is that the story of Caylee's sad short life hurt us all.

[FDInLaw]

As the mother of young children, I had no idea this was going on. It is just plain CRIMINAL!!! :flamemad:



But now we learn searches for "chloroform recipes" were also found on Casey's computer. According to a guest on "Nancy Grace," creating chloroform is not only cheap, it's easy to make with a simple trip to CVS or Walmart.

A Google search of "how do you make chloroform" yields more than one million websites listed with instructions. On one site, there was an explicit warning about chloroform's dangers, calling the chemical extremely dangerous and unpredictable and a warning to keep kids away from chloroform.

To make chloroform, all you need is bleach, ice, and acetone (a similar ingredient is found in nail polish remover).

Moms of young kids often search for recipes online ... but not like this. Why do you think Casey Anthony wanted to make her own chloroform? Comment in the momlogic community.


http://www.momlogic.com/2008/10/casey_anthony_searched_for_chl.php?page=2

[lighthousedazy]

As the mother of young children, I had no idea this was going on. It is just plain CRIMINAL!!! :flamemad:



http://www.momlogic.com/2008/10/casey_anthony_searched_for_chl.php?page=2I agree FD. In my opinion if a mom thinks she needs to give her child chloroform, she should be STERILE. If the child is ill and restless a baby dose of benadryl will help them sleep and will not cause any harm.

[lorettalockhorn]

I read it and can't decide if it fits yet. It's kind of vague compared to the sociopath symptoms. For now I believe she is a die hard Sociopath. She may not be an effective liar, (about Caylee) but the other symptoms fit perfectly, like:

Planned confusion-guilt tripping- lack of empathy-pitting one against another-soft sell-tears -throwing fits when she doesn't get her way- overspending-stealing-using others-narcissism- jealousy- styling and profilingor showing off-sexually uninhibited-etc.

I don't have a lot of experience with Aspies, but let me tell you, they can be selfish, narcissistic, self-centered and extremely demanding. And their very limited focus is quite often on themselves.

Wasn't Casey running out of gas during the time she was staying with Tony? Wasn't around forr George to check on.

I believe I read in this thread that George had commented about the gas gauge being broken. I think there was a comment that Casey drove around with gasoline in her trunk as a matter of course. Which doesn't seem safe at all.

[One2Snoop]

Leonard Padilla brought something up that he's real concerned about -the man who found the remains is named German Gonzales. As in Zenaida Gonzales....

He says the defense is going to try to link them together and say he was involved:eek:.

As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".

:eek: No way. :rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

Oh for pity's sake; it's not like Florida is the WASP capital of the world. Of the tens of thousands of Hispanics living in Orlando, surely many of them have the surname Gonzales and it's asinine to assume that they are kin or know each other.

psst I bet Leonard is kin to Carlos Padilla and that's where he gets all the information that he uses to formulate his theories. :rolleyes:

ROFL - I bet you're right. ;)

[One2Snoop]

Did anyone catch Geraldo today? I only saw a few minutes of it and then I had to leave - sounded as though he and his guest attorny's were really going at it :cuss: while discussing Casey.

[lighthousedazy]

:eek: No way. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatordog
Leonard Padilla brought something up that he's real concerned about -the man who found the remains is named German Gonzales. As in Zenaida Gonzales....

He says the defense is going to try to link them together and say he was involved.

As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".

Gonzales is very common name. Let's link all the Smiths, Johnson's, Robert's, Green's, etc. This case is making me want to pull my hair out. :confused:

[deputydi]

As of tomorrow, Michelle Bart will no longer be the Anthony's spokesperson. The attorney is going to be the spokesperson. His name is Brad Conway.
I don't know anything about Brad Conway, but I have the utmost respect for Mark NeJame. I saw the clip of him talking after Caylee's body was found and I thought "here is a defense attorney with SCRUPLES". That's something you don't often see. He said he made it clear to the Anthonys that he would advise them, but he would not, under any circumstances, help in Casey's defense. What a man!!!

[One2Snoop]

Sources: 'Bone Trail' Found Through Woods Near Anthony Home
Investigators Confirm Child's Body Wrapped Inside Plastic Bag

POSTED: 5:32 pm EST December 14, 2008
UPDATED: 7:20 pm EST December 14, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- All weekend, two official sources who spoke to WESH 2 News on the condition of anonymity, said they have been recovering more human remains in the wooded area along Suburban Drive near the home of missing Caylee Anthony.

According to one investigator, at least two dozen bones have been discovered so far, in addition to a skull with light long hair consistent with a female child.

Investigators and Casey Anthony's defense team said they are operating under the assumption that the remains are those of the missing 2-year-old.

Investigators said they're still trying to determine why the child's mouth was taped shut with duct tape. At this point they said they do not believe this was meant to look like the child was killed by a kidnapper.

Investigators said they believe Caylee's body was dumped at the location in the woods shortly after she was killed. The bag full of human child remains was discovered by a meter reader, who went into the woods to relieve himself. (Audio: Listen to 911 Call)

Sources have described a small "bone trail" found outside the garbage bag, leading them to suspect that it was likely submerged for an unknown period of time and some of the remains floated out of the bag or were scattered by animals.

For the first time, WESH 2 News has also confirmed that the child's body was wrapped in some sort of "covering" inside the bag.

According to sources, it was the covering -- along with the trash bag and duct tape -- that investigators said they believe are tied to the Anthony house nearby on Hopespring Drive.

On Saturday, it was confirmed that a portion of the remains were flown to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va. Test results to attempt to match the remains with Caylee's DNA are expected to take at least a week.

One investigator said that it was difficult to have seen the video and pictures of Caylee's smiling face and come to the realization that it appears her remains were simply dumped in the woods.

"It was cold," one source told WESH 2 News. "That's where the punch in the gut was."

Investigators said their reactions to the findings have ranged from elated to overwhelmed.

At this point, sources said they are pleased with the evidence taken from the Anthony home late last week during the execution of a search warrant.

Those items included vacuum cleaners inside, which investigators said they hoped some sort of hair or fiber evidence could still be of value to the case against Casey Anthony.

She is charged with first-degree murder in connection with her daughter's disappearance and presumed death.

When notified Thursday of the discovery of the remains, witnesses said Casey Anthony started sobbing and asked for a sedative.

When asked how his client was doing, Jose Baez said she "is not doing very well at all."

Thirty technicians from the FBI's Evidence Response Team have joined Orange County's crime scene investigators at the wooded area about a quarter-mile from the Anthony home.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18276452/detail.html

[deputydi]

Leonard Padilla brought something up that he's real concerned about -the man who found the remains is named German Gonzales. As in Zenaida Gonzales....

He says the defense is going to try to link them together and say he was involved:eek:.

As they say "No good deed goes unpunished".
Good Grief! The defense is going to look like desperate fools unless they can prove a real connection between the two. Sometimes LP says things that make no sense and are just plain silly.

[deputydi]

Rainbow Bridge. I like that. I think I'll keep it. :-)
Have you ever read the poem about the Rainbow Bridge? For anyone who has ever loved and lost a pet, it is so comforting.

http://www.rainbowsbridge.com/Poem.htm

[FDInLaw]

Sources: 'Bone Trail' Found Through Woods Near Anthony Home
Investigators Confirm Child's Body Wrapped Inside Plastic Bag

POSTED: 5:32 pm EST December 14, 2008
UPDATED: 7:20 pm EST December 14, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- All weekend, two official sources who spoke to WESH 2 News on the condition of anonymity, said they have been recovering more human remains in the wooded area along Suburban Drive near the home of missing Caylee Anthony.

According to one investigator, at least two dozen bones have been discovered so far, in addition to a skull with light long hair consistent with a female child.

Investigators and Casey Anthony's defense team said they are operating under the assumption that the remains are those of the missing 2-year-old.

Investigators said they're still trying to determine why the child's mouth was taped shut with duct tape. At this point they said they do not believe this was meant to look like the child was killed by a kidnapper.

Investigators said they believe Caylee's body was dumped at the location in the woods shortly after she was killed. The bag full of human child remains was discovered by a meter reader, who went into the woods to relieve himself. (Audio: Listen to 911 Call)

Sources have described a small "bone trail" found outside the garbage bag, leading them to suspect that it was likely submerged for an unknown period of time and some of the remains floated out of the bag or were scattered by animals.

For the first time, WESH 2 News has also confirmed that the child's body was wrapped in some sort of "covering" inside the bag.
According to sources, it was the covering -- along with the trash bag and duct tape -- that investigators said they believe are tied to the Anthony house nearby on Hopespring Drive.

On Saturday, it was confirmed that a portion of the remains were flown to the FBI crime lab in Quantico, Va. Test results to attempt to match the remains with Caylee's DNA are expected to take at least a week.

One investigator said that it was difficult to have seen the video and pictures of Caylee's smiling face and come to the realization that it appears her remains were simply dumped in the woods.

"It was cold," one source told WESH 2 News. "That's where the punch in the gut was."

Investigators said their reactions to the findings have ranged from elated to overwhelmed.

At this point, sources said they are pleased with the evidence taken from the Anthony home late last week during the execution of a search warrant.

Those items included vacuum cleaners inside, which investigators said they hoped some sort of hair or fiber evidence could still be of value to the case against Casey Anthony.

She is charged with first-degree murder in connection with her daughter's disappearance and presumed death.

When notified Thursday of the discovery of the remains, witnesses said Casey Anthony started sobbing and asked for a sedative.

When asked how his client was doing, Jose Baez said she "is not doing very well at all."

Thirty technicians from the FBI's Evidence Response Team have joined Orange County's crime scene investigators at the wooded area about a quarter-mile from the Anthony home.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18276452/detail.htmlI wonder if the covering jogged someone's memory and a pattern or something about it reminded them of something t from the house???

[Justice Denied?]

I have wondered the same thing. The reason I heard given was they didn't want to divert the attention away from the search for Caylee. Their visits would create too much of a media frenzy. That never made much sense to me. :shrug:

I also heard the report giving the description of the ground under the remains. The timeline puzzles me. If Caylee was killed on or about June 20, and Casey was arrested the first time on charges of neglect the middle of July, where was the body during that month? If she had been tossed into the field where her body was found, why didn't anyone smell the decomposing body? At first I thought it was because of the flooding, but that didn't occur until the end of August. I've been to FL in July and Aug (visiting my kids) and I know how hot and humid it is. I can't imagine a simple household garbage bag could contain that smell in the FL heat. I guess the only logical thing I can come up with is Casey could have buried her in a shallow grave and the floods brought it to the surface. I hope the experts are able to explain this.

I think the reason that george, Cindy and Lee haven't visited the jail is that they don't want a bunch more tapes released to the media. I am sure this is on Baez' advice.

[samanthajane13]

"Rainbow Bridge. I like that. I think I'll keep it. :-) "

Before I get beat up, I know it's off-topic, but wanted to bring Danagher up to speed...

Yup-The Rainbow Bridge is where ALL animals go to wait for their owners to escort them to Heaven-and in the case of rescues that die before adoption or homeless animals, they wait for NEW families who've never had the wonderful experience of the unconditional love an animal can bring.

THE RAINBOW BRIDGE

There is a bridge connecting Heaven and Earth.

It is called the Rainbow Bridge because of its many colors.

Just this side of the Rainbow Bridge, there is a land of meadows, hills and valleys with lush green grass.

When a beloved pet dies, the pet goes to this place.

There is always food and water, and warm Spring weather.

Those old and frail animals are young again. Those who have been maimed are made whole again.

They play all day with each other.

But there is only one thing missing. They are not with their special person who loved them on earth.

So, each day they run and play until the day comes when one suddenly stops playing and looks up. The nose twitches, the ears are up, the eyes are staring, and this one suddenly runs from the group.

You have been seen, and when you and your special friend meet, you take him or her in your arms and embrace.

Your face is kissed again and again and again and you look once more into the eyes of your trusting pet.

Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together, never again to be separated.

- Author Unknown

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Continued-

[samanthajane13]

Rainbow Bridge for Rescuers

Unlike most days at Rainbow Bridge, this day dawned cold and gray, damp as a swamp and as dismal as could be imagined.
All of the recent arrivals had no idea what to think, as they had never experienced a day like this before. But the animals who
had been waiting for their beloved people knew exactly what was going on and started to gather at the pathway leading to The
Bridge to watch.

They knew this was something special.

It wasn't too long before an elderly animal came into view, head hung heavy and low and tail dragging along the ground. The other animals,
the ones who had been there at Rainbow Bridge for a while, knew the story of this sad creature right away, for they had seen this happen far
too often.

He approached slowly, although it was obvious the animal's heart was leaden and he was totally overcome with emotional pain and
hurt, there was no sign of injury or any illness.. Unlike all of the other animals waiting at The Bridge, this animal had not been restored to
youth and made healthy and vigorous again. As he walked toward The Bridge, he approached slowly and painfully, watching all the
pets who were by now watching him.

He knew he was out of place here. This was no resting place for him. He felt instinctively that the sooner he could cross over, the happier
he would be.

But alas, as he came closer to the Bridge, his way was barred by the appearance of an Angel who spoke softly to
the old dog and apologized sorrowfully, telling him that he would not be able to pass. Only those animals who were with their
special people could pass over the Rainbow Bridge.

And he had no special beloved people...not here at the Bridge nor on Earth below.

With no place else to turn to, the elderly animal turned towards the fields before The Bridge. There, in a separate area nearby,
he spotted a group of other sad-eyed animals like himself...elderly and infirm. Unlike the pets waiting for their special people,
these animals weren't playing, but simply lying on the green grass, forlornly and miserably staring out at the pathway leading to
the Bridge.

The recent arrival knew he had no choice but to join them, and so, he took his place among them, just watching the
pathway and waiting.

One of the newest arrivals at The Bridge who was waiting for his special people, could not understand what he had just
witnessed and asked one of the animals that had been there for a while to explain it to him.

"You see, that poor animal was a rescue, sent to the pound when his owner grew tired of him. He was turned in to rescue just
as you see him now, an older animal with his fur graying and his eyes clouding. He never, ever made it out of rescue and passed
on with only the love and comfort that his rescuer could give him as he left his miserable and unloved existence on Earth
for good. Because he had no family to give his love to, he has no one to escort him across The Bridge."

"That poor dog was a rescue, sent to the pound when his owner grew tired of him. The way you see him now, with graying fur and sad,
cloudy eyes, was exactly the way he was when he was put into the kennels. He never made it out and passed on only with the
love the kennel workers Because he had no family or special person to give his love to, he has nobody to escort him across the Bridge."

The first animal thought about this for a minute and then asked, "So what will happen now?"

As he was about to receive his answer, the clouds suddenly parted and the all-invasive gloom lifted.

Approaching The Bridge could be seen a single person-a person who, on Earth, had seemed quite ordinary...a person who,
just like the elderly dog, had just left Earth forever. This figure turned toward a group of the sad, older animals, and extended outstretched
palms. The sweetest sounds they had ever heard echoed gently above them and all were bathed in a pure and golden light. Instantly,
each was young and healthy again, just as they had been in the prime of life.

"Watch, and see.", said the second animal.

From within the gathering of pets waiting for their special people, a second group of animals emerged and moved toward the pathway.
As they came close to the passing figure, each bowed low and each received a tender pat on the head or a scratch behind the ears.
Their eyes grew even brighter as the figure softly murmured each name. Then, the newly-restored rescue animals fell into line behind the figure
and quietly followed this person to the Bridge, where they all crossed together.

The recent arrival who had been watching, was amazed. "What happened?"

"That was a rescuer.," came the answer. "That person spent a lifetime trying to help pets of all kinds. The animals you saw bowing
in respect were those who found new homes because of his work. They will cross when their families arrive. Those you saw restored
were those who never found homes. When a rescuer arrives, they are allowed to perform one, final act of rescue. They are
allowed to escort those poor animals that they couldn't place on earth across The Rainbow Bridge. You see, all animals are
special to them...just as they are special to all animals."

"I think I like rescuers," said the recent arrival.

"So does God," was the reply.
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There is a bridge connecting Heaven and Earth.

It is called the Rainbow Bridge because of its many colors.

Just this side of the Rainbow Bridge, there is a land of meadows, hills and valleys with lush green grass.

When a beloved pet dies, the pet goes to this place.

There is always food and water, and warm Spring weather.
Those old and frail animals are young again.
Those who have been maimed are made whole again.
They play all day with each other.

Some of them here are different.

They were beaten, starved, tortured, and unloved. Or they were strays-lost and alone-left to fend for themselves.

They watch wistfully as their friends leave one by one, to cross the bridge with their special person.

For them there is no one, no special one. Their time on earth did not give them one.

But one day, as they run and play, they notice someone standing by the road to the bridge.

This person wistfully watches the reunions of friends, for in their life, they had no pet.

As they stand there alone, one of the unloved pets comes up to them, curious as to why this one is alone.

And as the they get nearer to each other, a miracle occurs, for these are the ones who were meant to be together.

Their special person, their beloved pet, although on Earth they never met.

With the meeting of two souls, the pain and the sorrow disappear, and two friends are together.

Then they cross the Rainbow Bridge together, never again to be separated.

Anonymous

++++++++++++++

There you go, Sweetie!

I truly believe that my critters are waiting there for me.

It's the only way I can get through, 'cuz if my animals can't go Heaven, it won't be Heaven to me.

[One2Snoop]

I wonder if the covering jogged someone's memory and a pattern or something about it reminded them of something t from the house???

I bet its a top sheet from Caylee's bed.

[Justice Denied?]

I agree Dep. Would hot dirt over the body keep the smell down? I'm concerned that something about this burial site is going to cause a problem for the prosecution. I'm hoping the testimony of the right experts will keep resonable doubt out of the court room.
Crossing fingers.

I personally think the prosecution goofed up royally when they refused to let defense experts into the crime scene and the autopsy. Now they will challenge everything that was done.:confused:

[Justice Denied?]

I agree FD. In my opinion if a mom thinks she needs to give her child chloroform, she should be STERILE. If the child is ill and restless a baby dose of benadryl will help them sleep and will not cause any harm.

Are you aware tha baby benedryl is also used to knock babies out and is one of the most abused drugs in the nation? PLEASE EVERYONE! DON'T GIVE YOU BABY ANY MEDICATION UNLESS RECOMENDED BY A DOCTOR.

Sorry about the shouting, but this is very important. a baby in Austin, Tx died about 2 wks ago from an overdose of Benedryl.

[Justice Denied?]

Am caught up on reading so am going to bed. Am asking everyone to cout your blessings before bed. Wishing you a peaceful sleep and sweet dreams.

[javahog]

I think it would depend on the quality of the garbage bag and how well it was sealed. I'm not overly concerned that no one smelled anything. I'm a farm girl and years ago when we had livestock we had animals die out in the woods/fields and IIRC the bad smell does not last a long long time so it's possible it could be that by the time the garbage bag leaked..the horrific odor would have been gone. Just a thought. fep

I'm an archaeologist and have done practice mummifications (on animals, not humans). The smell is mindblowingly horrid. But it peaked at about 2 weeks into the process and then tapered off(of course, I was using dessicants which haven't been mentioned in this case). Maybe by the time the body was dumped the smell had tapered. The Pontiac would have gotten the worst of it?

[samanthajane13]

"Samantha!! Would you please pick my heart up, it just fell on the floor. The last of my 5 dogs passed, um, I mean went to the rainbow bridge several years ago. I am itching to get a new one, but I suspect after reading your post that I will be greeted by them all one day. Thank you for this. I had never seen it. Just today I had one of my dog's toys in my hand. Believe it or not, her name was Angel. Then there was, Midnight, Buddy, Bear, and Sonia. I know we're off topic. At least you shut my evil wolf up for a bit. "

Go for it, Danagher!!!

Adopt yourself a sweet pound dog! The fur-babies you have waiting for you are busy, and they would be so proud that you're helping an animal with no one to care for it!!

When one pet passes, I adopt another in memory of them, and to pass on the love that my Bridge Kids have given to me-so the circle is never broken. you can NEVER REPLACE a beloved pet, but you can share the love they gave you with one who's never known love before!!!

And YES-they WILL ALL be waiting for you!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I personally think the prosecution goofed up royally when they refused to let defense experts into the crime scene and the autopsy. Now they will challenge everything that was done.:confused:

It was the judge not the prosecution who ruled against the request, and I'm sure that if there isn't case law as well as stated procedure to back him up, that the ruling will be challenged and possibly reversed. Are we to imagine that the prosecution team is going to be gawking during the autopsy? And since the discovery site is a crime scene, it seems unusual for the defense to be there while it is being processed. That part of the investigation will be available through discovery.

I've never heard of such a request being granted. Anyone know of precedents?

It is the duty of the defense to file motions and arguments ad nauseum, but to insinuate that the Dr. G or any ME would perpetrate some sleight of hand during the course of her work is outrageous.

[samanthajane13]

"Samantha!! Would you please pick my heart up, it just fell on the floor. The last of my 5 dogs passed, um, I mean went to the rainbow bridge several years ago. I am itching to get a new one, but I suspect after reading your post that I will be greeted by them all one day. Thank you for this. I had never seen it. Just today I had one of my dog's toys in my hand. Believe it or not, her name was Angel. Then there was, Midnight, Buddy, Bear, and Sonia. I know we're off topic. At least you shut my evil wolf up for a bit. "

Go for it, Danagher!!!

Adopt yourself a sweet pound dog! The fur-babies you have waiting for you are busy, and they would be so proud that you're helping an animal with no one to care for it!!

When one pet passes, I adopt another in memory of them, and to pass on the love that my Bridge Kids have given to me-so the circle is never broken. you can NEVER REPLACE a beloved pet, but you can share the love they gave you with one who's never known love before!!!

And YES-they WILL ALL be waiting for you!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

I personally think the prosecution goofed up royally when they refused to let defense experts into the crime scene and the autopsy. Now they will challenge everything that was done.:confused:

Watching Dr. Baden on Geraldo At Large and his position is that it is fair and not unusual for defense pathologists to observe autopsies. (I think) he said that FL has a law that prevents that. They didn't discuss the defense being on the scene of the discovery or attorneys observing the autopsy.

[One2Snoop]

It was the judge not the prosecution who ruled against the request, and I'm sure that if there isn't case law as well as stated procedure to back him up, that the ruling will be challenged and possibly reversed. Are we to imagine that the prosecution team is going to be gawking during the autopsy? And since the discovery site is a crime scene, it seems unusual for the defense to be there while it is being processed. That part of the investigation will be available through discovery.

I've never heard of such a request being granted. Anyone know of precedents?

It is the duty of the defense to file motions and arguments ad nauseum, but to insinuate that the Dr. G or any ME would perpetrate some sleight of hand during the course of her work is outrageous.

Watching Dr. Baden on Geraldo At Large and his position is that it is fair and not unusual for defense pathologists to observe autopsies. (I think) he said that FL has a law that prevents that. They didn't discuss the defense being on the scene of the discovery or attorneys observing the autopsy.

ITA with what you've said and I can't say I've ever heard of a defense team being allowed to examine a crime scene - I'm not claiming I know it all etc... but personally have never heard it happening before.

FWIW - I believe one of the other reasons the judge denied the request was because Caylee has not been positively ID'd yet via DNA. Seems somewhat brazen to me for the defense to even make such a request when they don't even know "officially" if its Caylee or not.

I believe the judge knows what he's talking about and I trust he made the appropriate decision for all involved. JMO

[tv]

I just wanted to tell all the people that post on this case how much I've enjoyed reading all your ideas and opinions. I always come here when I'm looking for the latest updates. I don't post much because you guys always have it covered! The only thing I'd like to add is that I hope they'll keep an eye on Dr. Lee so he can't pull any funny business like he did in the Phil Spector case. I just don't have the respect for him that I used to have.

[tv]

Good morning!
I didn't follow the Spector case but yet I'm disappointed in Dr. Lee. In the past I had a lot of respect for him. He seems to have lost his luster, yep. When I heard that he was on the defense side of the case my thoughts were, "WTF? Is he nuts?" (And I only swear when I'm alone or with others.) There has to be a reason these brilliant people move toward the defense side and I've deduced that it's either for money or fame, not for justice. When I look at the big picture I see Casey stand out like big purple tree on the landscape and I think, "My LORD, this young lady has affected the lives of great people!" She's one Hel* of an accomplished SOB." If she gets off, there are going to be a lot of fine people who worked hard to get where they are, that will never sleep at night again. :flamemad:

I didn't follow the Spector case closely but I know he was found to have tampered with evidence in that case. What he did that really got me was when he said there was too much blood to be a beating in the Michael Peterson case. I think he and others do it for fame and fortune. He lost credibilty after the Phil Spector case so it surprises me that Jose Baez would bring him on. They may be counting on his reputation alone wowing the jury.

[FDInLaw]

Are you aware tha baby benedryl is also used to knock babies out and is one of the most abused drugs in the nation? PLEASE EVERYONE! DON'T GIVE YOU BABY ANY MEDICATION UNLESS RECOMENDED BY A DOCTOR.

Sorry about the shouting, but this is very important. a baby in Austin, Tx died about 2 wks ago from an overdose of Benedryl.Benedryl abuse is wide spread. Heck, when one of young ones needed dental work, even the Dentist asked for us to give our son Benedryl BEFORE we come in.


If Caylee's death was an “accident” when are we going to hear the truth????? Quite frankly, I doubt we'll ever get an admission of guilt from Casey, the self-serving diva that she is. How much do you want to bet that she will blame her parents at some point?!?!

[tv]

Lee did that?? I don't doubt you. I do know he seems to be different than in the past. Is it my imagination that he sounds a bit confused?
Hi Danagher! I hadn't noticed him sounding confused but I'll pay more attention. I used to really like him and had a lot of respect for him but a few high profile cases that he's been on made me question his judgement and then the Phil Spector case made me realize he's willing to manipulate the evidence to benefit one side.

[tv]

FORGIVE MY TYPO! I meant CASEY, not CAYLEE. My husband just said, "THey'll understand" when I just mentioned it to him. (I read him your posts while he eats breakfast in the am.) He thinks you are all pretty sharp.

I am so, so sorry. Oooch! That was awful!
Poor little Caylee.EVERYONE gets those two names backwards. I've noticed LE and reporters doing it also. I do it myself all the time. We all knew what you meant. :)

[FDInLaw]

I hate dentists. I'm not crazy about doctors either lately. (No offense to the doctors here)

JD, as for Casey blaming her parents? I said that from the beginning. She is going to bottom feed when the lights are in her face. IMOWith the body found so close by, it will be a natural direction to take.

Any word from the Casey's parents yet? Are they still standing behind her lies???

[FDInLaw]

I'm still trying to understand why Cindy went to church and why she was holding Caylee's teddy bear in public. I don't want to think the worst about the woman, but I can't help wondering why she thought that was a good idea.

(Of course she was trying to evoke sympathy) Why would she think that would do it? Help me. Anyone? I promise I won't answer anymore of my own questions. I want to pick her brain but I can't find it.There's the old “the apple doesn't fall far from the tree” explanation. . . :shrug:

[FDInLaw]

The defense team put a muzzle on them. Alas! The visit to church holding the teddy bear!!!! Now they are operating from a mime stance!

I did it again. Answered my own question.LOL! How much coffee have you had this morning???? I'll need a few more to keep up with you!:tongue:

[FDInLaw]

Hmm, the truth is always simple isn't it FD? Leave it to me and I will complicate the tossing of a Frizbee.Read somewhere that Casey wasn't keen on the idea of keeping Caylee when she was pregnant. . . wasn't it Cindy that really wanted her to??? This poor child may have been in the middle of some nasty mother-daughter struggles IMO. And, from what we know of George, he was not a calming force in all this. I sure wish Casey would have given Caylee up, let it be a lesson to us all. :(

[FDInLaw]

Haa! I'm on cup 3. Cream no sugar! My brain is in that cup. ;-)

:chicken: to get coffee!

[FDInLaw]

California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla -- who had previously bailed Casey Anthony out of jail on lesser child-neglect charges -- stood by a canal, taking photos with well-wishers and handing out autographs. At one point, Padilla had conducted his own search for Caylee.

"It's the soap opera in America where you don't have to pay the actors and it's all real," he said.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee1508dec15,0,556636.story

What a media-(you know what!). . . Geezzzz. . . a real class act. :cuss: :flamemad:

Will, CAYLEE ever be the only one in the spot light. . . for just a minute? :mad: Can't imagine what her funeral will be like. Ugh.

[Its just me]

I'm an archaeologist and have done practice mummifications (on animals, not humans). The smell is mindblowingly horrid. But it peaked at about 2 weeks into the process and then tapered off(of course, I was using dessicants which haven't been mentioned in this case). Maybe by the time the body was dumped the smell had tapered. The Pontiac would have gotten the worst of it?


Thank you, I didn't want to put a time because I had nothing to back it up but memory but the two weeks is on target with the smell of a decomposing animal. The temperature is a driving factor but I'm South Georgia and very seldom do cold temperatures delay the decomp.


I just going to hope that the Prosecution has experts to explain all this so powerful that the defense can't tear it apart because I fully believe that Little Caylee was placed at that spot by no one except Casey. As bad as the car is said to have smelled she could have been bagged and placed it there when the car was abandoned.
It’s common for things to get a little twisted as time goes along and with that in mind…I heard that the body was wrapped in something that linked back to the A. house. No link…only memory of what was discussed on TV. Fox or CNN. I’m not posting it as the truth.
The defense wanting to be including with the discovery process was briefly discussed this morning on Fox including which route the defense will go now that the body has been found. I seriously doubt this Zanny business is going to hold much water and new discovery will most likely determine which way the defense will move. Its kinda sad when the defense has to cook up something to defend what appears to be a client guilty of murdering her child and one who hasn’t shown an ounce of remorse that her child was missing much less dead.
Casey got emotional when told a body was found but I think it’s more likely the emotions came because she realized her chances of getting out of jail were now zero to none and there was no bargaining power left. Casey getting emotional over Caylee at this point makes no sense to me.

Just my 2 cents that may not be worth that. fep

[Gatordog]

I think it would depend on the quality of the garbage bag and how well it was sealed. I'm not overly concerned that no one smelled anything. I'm a farm girl and years ago when we had livestock we had animals die out in the woods/fields and IIRC the bad smell does not last a long long time so it's possible it could be that by the time the garbage bag leaked..the horrific odor would have been gone. Just a thought. fep

The smell is still inside the trunk of the car. My yard is 64 feet long and once there was a dead possum in the street behind my house. I could smell that animal for days when I went out on the patio.

[Its just me]

ITA with what you've said and I can't say I've ever heard of a defense team being allowed to examine a crime scene - I'm not claiming I know it all etc... but personally have never heard it happening before.

FWIW - I believe one of the other reasons the judge denied the request was because Caylee has not been positively ID'd yet via DNA. Seems somewhat brazen to me for the defense to even make such a request when they don't even know "officially" if its Caylee or not.

I believe the judge knows what he's talking about and I trust he made the appropriate decision for all involved. JMO

I think you are correct. The way I understood what went on when the judge was ruling on the defense's motion to be allowed in on the autopsy and crime scene. Before the decision was made the Judge asked the prosecution if the body could be identified and the prosecution said no and used a term meaning not by DNA if IIRC.

If the body happened to be someone besides Caylee that persons rights would have been violated if the defense how been allowed in. Very smart move in my opinion and the defense is pissed because they got out smarted. MHOO

[Gatordog]

I think the reason that george, Cindy and Lee haven't visited the jail is that they don't want a bunch more tapes released to the media. I am sure this is on Baez' advice.

What's the point of visiting her in jail? They visited her the first time to get information from her on where to find Caylee. All they heard about was her gut, whether it was feeding it or feeling it. She gave them no information at home other than lies. They could get more accurate information from a stranger in the street than from the Liar.

Gator

[samanthajane13]

"I'm still trying to understand why Cindy went to church and why she was holding Caylee's teddy bear in public. I don't want to think the worst about the woman, but I can't help wondering why she thought that was a good idea."

Think back to the spring, and our other mysterious missing child case...

Why did Kate McCann tote Cuddle Cat all over Creation???

For the SYMPATHY!!!

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=samanthajane13;9145676]Rainbow Bridge for Rescuers


There goes my mascara. All my companions have been rescued.

[FDInLaw]

The odor of decomposition may be present for months or years after the soft tissues have disappeared. The inside of the skull is a good place to detect any residual odor.



http://books.google.com/books?id=fe78Nh1CbOAC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=forensics+decomposing+smell&source=web&ots=UePN0u0_4-&sig=GtihFyAYLFYNKUqai818cHOAsmU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA119,M1


This does not state the intensity of the odor. Since Caylee's (or so we believe) body was found in an area that was flooded, I'm guess that the water kept it from detection. I don't suspect that it was recently placed there. JMO

[browneyes106]

Read somewhere that Casey wasn't keen on the idea of keeping Caylee when she was pregnant. . . wasn't it Cindy that really wanted her to??? This poor child may have been in the middle of some nasty mother-daughter struggles IMO. And, from what we know of George, he was not a calming force in all this. I sure wish Casey would have given Caylee up, let it be a lesson to us all. :(

It has been reported in a lot of articles that Casey wanted to give up Caylee and Cindy's brother Rick posted on topix.com that Casey tried to hide her pregnancy. The power struggle between Casey and Cindy started during the pregnnacy. On Dateline when Jesse Grund was interviewed and he said that six months after he started dating Casey she told him she was pregnant. Jesse believed he was the father and he told Casey that he felt that they weren't ready to be parents and that they should give the child up. He said that Casey responded and said she wouldn't give her baby up. My theory after hearing the Dateline interview around that time Casey was talking about adoption with her friend and later when she told Cindy about it, Cindy freaked out and somehow brainwashed or convinced Casey into keeping and believing she wanted the child. But I sort of think maybe Cindy was really saddened by the idea of her grandchild being put for adoption and she really made sure her grandchild wouldn't be adopted out. I also think Cindy felt threatened by Jesse because on Dateline it was mentioned that a paternity test right after Caylee's birth ruled him out as the biological father. He and Casey became engaged after that and there are several pictures of him holding tiny Caylee. Jesse and Casey's engagement only lasted five months and I think again Cindy maybe got jealous of Jesse becoming Caylee's father and Casey's husband and convinced Casey to call off the engagement. I sort of think maybe Cindy could have been an emotionally abusive mother who manipulated her children. I find it weird that Casey was over 18 during her pregnancy and she simply let Cindy make a major decision for her. I think what Casey did to Caylee was horrible and unjustified. But there are many cracks forming with Cindy and George. These are just my theories.

[Gatordog]

It was the judge not the prosecution who ruled against the request, and I'm sure that if there isn't case law as well as stated procedure to back him up, that the ruling will be challenged and possibly reversed. Are we to imagine that the prosecution team is going to be gawking during the autopsy? And since the discovery site is a crime scene, it seems unusual for the defense to be there while it is being processed. That part of the investigation will be available through discovery.

I've never heard of such a request being granted. Anyone know of precedents?

It is the duty of the defense to file motions and arguments ad nauseum, but to insinuate that the Dr. G or any ME would perpetrate some sleight of hand during the course of her work is outrageous.

The judge's theory is that we do not know this is Caylee. Until the body has been verified as that of Caylee Marie, it would be an invasion of privacy to let anyone other than the ME or law enforcement view the remains.

[FDInLaw]

It has been reported in a lot of articles that Casey wanted to give up Caylee and Cindy's brother Rick posted on topix.com that Casey tried to hide her pregnancy. The power struggle between Casey and Cindy started during the pregnnacy. On Dateline when Jesse Grund was interviewed and he said that six months after he started dating Casey she told him she was pregnant. Jesse believed he was the father and he told Casey that he felt that they weren't ready to be parents and that they should give the child up. He said that Casey responded and said she wouldn't give her baby up. My theory after hearing the Dateline interview around that time Casey was talking about adoption with her friend and later when she told Cindy about it, Cindy freaked out and somehow brainwashed or convinced Casey into keeping and believing she wanted the child. But I sort of think maybe Cindy was really saddened by the idea of her grandchild being put for adoption and she really made sure her grandchild wouldn't be adopted out. I also think Cindy felt threatened by Jesse because on Dateline it was mentioned that a paternity test right after Caylee's birth ruled him out as the biological father. He and Casey became engaged after that and there are several pictures of him holding tiny Caylee. Jesse and Casey's engagement only lasted five months and I think again Cindy maybe got jealous of Jesse becoming Caylee's father and Casey's husband and convinced Casey to call off the engagement. I sort of think maybe Cindy could have been an emotionally abusive mother who manipulated her children. I find it weird that Casey was over 18 during her pregnancy and she simply let Cindy make a major decision for her. I think what Casey did to Caylee was horrible and unjustified. But there are many cracks forming with Cindy and George. These are just my theories.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, like everyone, I'm keeping a close eye on Cindy and George's behavior.

[FDInLaw]

“In my work in Louisiana, I have found that the use of plastic and othe synthetic products to cover bodies greatly retards decomposition. Some research has documented that coverings over recently buried bodies can impact preservation of soft tissue to varying degrees. . . “

http://books.google.com/books?id=oNsbKIeZpcQC&pg=PA472&lpg=PA472&dq=forensics+level+of+decomposition+plastic+bag&source=bl&ots=S7yzlsD3Jg&sig=6wleBEL0St2mMg2_mcu-5-mg0uQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result



Casey should have done some Internet research on how to dispose of the body. Note to self, garbage bags are a bad idea!