Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[One2Snoop]

Nice to meet you deputydi. I didn't know you met Cindy. I don't know under what circumstances, but I respect your opinions. (As I respect every one's here) *I also understand Cindy Anthony's denial. I hope it's just shock and grief holding it together for her. But I have a problem with it. She threw the baby out with the bath water. In my opinion, she's guilty by association. My unconditional love would be directed toward the helpless child who never lied, never harmed anyone and never had a chance to defend herself. I am sure she was the pawn in this entire sick play of egocentric spite crime.

My own theory is: Casey was partying and she knocked the child out to get her to sleep through a night of wanderlust. I believe it wasn't the first time she used Chloroform as a babysitter but Caylee survived it a few times, until one night, she left her there to long and she exploded like a can of dog food in the heat. When Cindy woke up and went to retrieve her, she was dead. She shut the trunk and went into her la la land of a mind set and left her there until she stunk. Then she had to face the task of getting rid of her. She did. Then she went crying to mommy and daddy for rescue knowing they would because Casey Anthony controls those mindless idiots she calls parents. Now she owns them completely and the child is not the focus of their concern, Casey is. ::: End of my theory.

Children are the represent their parents. Though I grew up with the adage that "Blood will tell" I now believe, that "Flowers don't care where they grow." I decided after witnessing great people born of terrible parents that it must be so. Not withstanding the odds. Caylee may have grown up to be the second coming of Mother Teresa. Who knows? But she was snuffed out for foolishness and selfishness. Cindy Anthony can unconditionally love Casey all she needs to, but she has to stop throwing her pearls before swine and tell the truth about her daughter.

I love all my children unconditionally, but when they are wrong, I say they are wrong. Forgiving them doesn't mean I agree with them. And, it doesn't mean I wouldn't defend the people they've hurt. I had four children. Now I have three. I know what grief is and I know what denial does, but I'll be damned if I would let that stop me from defending any child. If (god forbid) one of my kids killed one of my grandchildren, there would be 2 dead people and I would get three squares and a permanent roof over my head for the rest of my life and I'd call it "planned retirement."

For Caylee who I never knew, I feel so sad. Of course I know where she is, and I believe she is safe now, but she never had a chance to cry or laugh in jail or be defended by Cindy or George. I believe she died a very painful death.

Cindy's denial is over rated. IMO Now she's into hiding the truth. She's re arranging chairs on the Titanic.

I don't believe deputydi has actually met Cindy and I do believe deputydi was just expressing his/her opinion about Cindy.

Not speaking for deputydi but thats my take on his/her post.

*I also think you're spot on about Cindy.

[One2Snoop]

I too am disappointed that they took the DP off the table but I do not think it is because Baez has made any kind of deal . Here is what I think. they can't prove premeditation. I think because of the googlel searches she meant to kill her , no accident. That is me personally but what I see on many message boards is that she was chloroforming her as a way to babysit her and it was an accident. Although it is felony murder and they could go for the DP as a matter of legality, realistically a jury is going to have trouble with it. They are going to take it off the table now so that the jury pool won't be so troubled by it, that is my opinion. And as a matter of strategy it makes sense to me. I f ing hate it but they I think a jury will have an easier time convicting if they think in the back of their minds they won't have to decide life or death, although they will not in the guilt phase discuss any penalty whatsoever, it will be in the back of some jurors minds. I just see so many people who don't see the neck breaking and death by inhalation search as premeditated. I do. I think chloroform was an easy way to kill, no knife, no gun, no mess as far as Casey was concerned. Some people on another board think she was trying to kill Cindy and George and looked up neck breaking but I find that far fetched, how would this 100 pound girl break Cindy and George's neck, it is not that easy . And chloroform once you get air, the person is revived. She would almost have to put Cindy and George in the trunk. I think all of her looking up was for Caylee. Also I think it will be really hard to pin it on someone else. Cindy was at work, Is there a reason for George to look up all this crap? I think not. And Nancy is right, if she emailed a friend before those searches or signed in, a jury will not believe George jumped in the chair and got on the comp a minute after her. Now where is that press conference the Anthonys promised. Pffft. Total BS

Actually, I'm not surprised the DP was taken off the table. I've eaten crow pie more times than you can imagine and I'm a vegan for the most part. Can you just imagine the awful fowl taste I've had in my mouth when I'm proven wrong? It wasn't pleasant. It's more times than I wish to remeber.
In all honesty I've tried so hard to reserve judgement on this case - but Casey says it all, she speaks all, just as Scott Peterson did. Casey is way more slick than Peterson ever was, IMO, simply because she chooses to play the dumb innocent act - you know women can do that and get away with it, guys can't.

I do believe Casey's a rebellious young adult who still wanted to live her life minus little Caylee and I also believe Casey was of age and could make her own decision about Caylee being adopted once she was born. I know thats here nor there - Cindy made the decision for her and what a fatal mistake it was for all involved. I also believe Cindy is the type of person who would never, ever admit her faults or mistakes. Sad for all involved but moreso for little Caylee.

I mean no disrespect to your thoughts - Just venting my 2 cents worth. :seeya:

[deputydi]

Nice to meet you deputydi. I didn't know you met Cindy. I don't know under what circumstances, but I respect your opinions. <SNIP>
I have never met Cindy -- I don't know what I said that gave you that impression but I sure do want to correct it.

The only point I was trying to make is I love my children unconditionally. I have disapproved of some of their decisions and there have been times I didn't like them, but I can't imagine turning my back on one of them. I've never been in Cindy's situation so I don't know for sure what I'd do, but I can guarantee you my daughter would NOT look me in the eye and get away with telling a bold faced lie. It would probably take some time and a lot of tears and denial, but she would tell me the truth eventually. You can take that to the bank.

I, too, get disgusted with Cindy but she is in a situation I hope none of us ever have to experience.

edited to add: Thanks, Snoop, for setting the record straight before I got back online. And, I'm a "her" not a "him".

[sharlock]

Frankly, I was hoping the LE would have tried to negotiate taking the DP off the table if our sociopath gave up where she disposed of the body. I wonder why they didn't do that? This is such a whacky case and so so sad. One thing that has come out of this case is a picture of sociopathic behavior and how ignoring it is not the answer. Perhaps others following this case will learn something from the mistakes the Anthony's made.
I don't hink that they have a weak case ot that they have done a deal as of yet. I believe that tis was just a reaction to stave off Baez's request for an extension so he could prepare for a dp case as they hadn't takenit off the table. It also is a smart tactic as the desire for a dp case is more peoples gut reaction to what Casey has done but not really realistic. They stand an excellent chance of convicting Casey if the jury don't have to consider the dp for a trial without a body, the circumstantial evidence can do that but there was a risk that it might not be enough for the dp so they took the sure bet which I think is commendable. Also I think they know that if faced with the DP Casey would still maintain her innocense because the defense know that a DP trial would be harder to win. JMHO

[Gatordog]

I have never met Cindy -- I don't know what I said that gave you that impression but I sure do want to correct it.

The only point I was trying to make is I love my children unconditionally. I have disapproved of some of their decisions and there have been times I didn't like them, but I can't imagine turning my back on one of them. I've never been in Cindy's situation so I don't know for sure what I'd do, but I can guarantee you my daughter would NOT look me in the eye and get away with telling a bold faced lie. It would probably take some time and a lot of tears and denial, but she would tell me the truth eventually. You can take that to the bank.

I, too, get disgusted with Cindy but she is in a situation I hope none of us ever have to experience.

edited to add: Thanks, Snoop, for setting the record straight before I got back online. And, I'm a "her" not a "him".

I'm the one who met Cindy.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Local Updates from this morning:

WKMG is the only station that had news on the Anthonys. They had their last vigil of the year last night due to the church being unavailable until January. The Anthonys are going to be on Larry King this Wednesday. They are going to court today (I think through a Baez motion) to get LE to investigate the mall child and other leads. The Anthonys cannot get any information or watch security videos from other states unless Orange County LE requests the videos. They are going to try to force the Sherriff's office to investigate all sightings or at least make it available for the defense to be able to investigate.

Cindy's latest Foot in Mouth Disease: She stated to the news reporter that she wishes everyone could have seen the jail videos right at the start because then everyone would have seen that Casey is so compassionate and caring and has lots of emotions. She said that everyone is saying that Casey is cold and uncaring but the videos show just the opposite.

This woman cannot see the forest right in front of her because of the trees! Casey never once cried about Caylee - she cried because she wanted to be home. She cried because she looked like hell, she was emotional because she has to eat coleslaw and bologna. I can tell you what's a lot of baloney - Cindy and Casey. The only true thing Casey said was that she was a lot like Cindy - neither of them knows how to tell the truth.

Gator

[deputydi]

I too am disappointed that they took the DP off the table but I do not think it is because Baez has made any kind of deal . Here is what I think. they can't prove premeditation. I think because of the googlel searches she meant to kill her , no accident. That is me personally but what I see on many message boards is that she was chloroforming her as a way to babysit her and it was an accident. Although it is felony murder and they could go for the DP as a matter of legality, realistically a jury is going to have trouble with it. They are going to take it off the table now so that the jury pool won't be so troubled by it, that is my opinion. And as a matter of strategy it makes sense to me. I f ing hate it but they I think a jury will have an easier time convicting if they think in the back of their minds they won't have to decide life or death, although they will not in the guilt phase discuss any penalty whatsoever, it will be in the back of some jurors minds. I just see so many people who don't see the neck breaking and death by inhalation search as premeditated. I do. I think chloroform was an easy way to kill, no knife, no gun, no mess as far as Casey was concerned. Some people on another board think she was trying to kill Cindy and George and looked up neck breaking but I find that far fetched, how would this 100 pound girl break Cindy and George's neck, it is not that easy . And chloroform once you get air, the person is revived. She would almost have to put Cindy and George in the trunk. I think all of her looking up was for Caylee. Also I think it will be really hard to pin it on someone else. Cindy was at work, Is there a reason for George to look up all this crap? I think not. And Nancy is right, if she emailed a friend before those searches or signed in, a jury will not believe George jumped in the chair and got on the comp a minute after her. Now where is that press conference the Anthonys promised. Pffft. Total BS

I think you're right. In the beginning I thought it was a tragic accident too. I believed she had used chloroform before to make Caylee sleep through her partying and this time the baby never woke up. After hearing about her Google searches, I don't believe that anymore. She is one sick chick.

Suggesting that someone else in that house made those computer searches is just laughable, IMO. That will never fly with the jury.

[Gatordog]

From WKMG:

Cindy Anthony also said she wished that jail visitation videos released last week would have been seen by the public earlier.

"I said from the very beginning, if they would have shown those tapes people would have seen that she does have emotions," Cindy Anthony said. "She's not a cold, calloused person like everybody wants to paint her out to be. She's a desperate, loving mother."

Gator :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

You know, I am very grateful that my mother wasn't a "loving mother" like Cindy and Casey. I'm glad that my mother provided discipline, that we couldn't get away with anything. Mom didn't think lying was cute or charming. Mom punished us for not being honest and we wouldn't ever think of stealing anything for fear of mom. Yes, I am glad that my mom isn't a "loving" mother to my brothers and me and I guess she isn't a loving Grandmother either because she wouldn't take that from the grandchildren either. Gee, maybe that's why we are all blessed to not be alcoholics, drug addicts, ex-cons or mentally sick. We're responsible adults who care for our families and work for a living. My brothers turned out to be respectful and loving husbands to their wives. Maybe Cindy and George should talk to my mom and dad about being less "loving". Obviously Cindy doesn't know the difference between 'Loving" and "Responsible". Here's to you, Mom. :rose:

Love,

Gator

[deputydi]

You know, I am very grateful that my mother wasn't a "loving mother" like Cindy and Casey. I'm glad that my mother provided discipline, that we couldn't get away with anything. Mom didn't think lying was cute or charming. Mom punished us for not being honest and we wouldn't ever think of stealing anything for fear of mom. Yes, I am glad that my mom isn't a "loving" mother to my brothers and me and I guess she isn't a loving Grandmother either because she wouldn't take that from the grandchildren either. Gee, maybe that's why we are all blessed to not be alcoholics, drug addicts, ex-cons or mentally sick. We're responsible adults who care for our families and work for a living. My brothers turned out to be respectful and loving husbands to their wives. Maybe Cindy and George should talk to my mom and dad about being less "loving". Obviously Cindy doesn't know the difference between 'Loving" and "Responsible". Here's to you, Mom. :rose:

Love,

Gator
Thanks for such a great post, gator. I guess my mother and I weren't very loving either. Had we been more loving, we could have had a warm, compassionate daughter like Casey.:D

[Mac]

I see the Anthony's are leaving for California for a Larry King Interview. Oh.....that's right.....They are going to check on some Caylee sightings while they are there.

I guess this way they can have the donations pay for the plane fare, food, lodging....etc.

Damn these people make me sick

Oh Well....have a nice vacation in California

[browneyes106]

You know, I am very grateful that my mother wasn't a "loving mother" like Cindy and Casey. I'm glad that my mother provided discipline, that we couldn't get away with anything. Mom didn't think lying was cute or charming. Mom punished us for not being honest and we wouldn't ever think of stealing anything for fear of mom. Yes, I am glad that my mom isn't a "loving" mother to my brothers and me and I guess she isn't a loving Grandmother either because she wouldn't take that from the grandchildren either. Gee, maybe that's why we are all blessed to not be alcoholics, drug addicts, ex-cons or mentally sick. We're responsible adults who care for our families and work for a living. My brothers turned out to be respectful and loving husbands to their wives. Maybe Cindy and George should talk to my mom and dad about being less "loving". Obviously Cindy doesn't know the difference between 'Loving" and "Responsible". Here's to you, Mom. :rose:

Love,

Gator

Good post and after reading I too am grateful for my parents.

[browneyes106]

I see the Anthony's are leaving for California for a Larry King Interview. Oh.....that's right.....They are going to check on some Caylee sightings while they are there.

I guess this way they can have the donations pay for the plane fare, food, lodging....etc.

Damn these people make me sick

Oh Well....have a nice vacation in California

I just read about it too. I'm wondering how the interview will go and I wonder if Larry will take calls from viewers.

[mu8shark]

I don't hink that they have a weak case ot that they have done a deal as of yet. I believe that tis was just a reaction to stave off Baez's request for an extension so he could prepare for a dp case as they hadn't takenit off the table. It also is a smart tactic as the desire for a dp case is more peoples gut reaction to what Casey has done but not really realistic. They stand an excellent chance of convicting Casey if the jury don't have to consider the dp for a trial without a body, the circumstantial evidence can do that but there was a risk that it might not be enough for the dp so they took the sure bet which I think is commendable. Also I think they know that if faced with the DP Casey would still maintain her innocense because the defense know that a DP trial would be harder to win. JMHO You are spot on with what I am thinking plus you made an excellent point about it being a case with no body. In the back of a jurors mind if just if they are wrong and Caylee comes home at 12 years old (she won't) and Casey has been put to death, then what? They are not supposed to think that way or even think about the penalty in the guilt phase, but we are only human as jurors. Great point Sharlock. I think it will make conviction easier too and life in jail will be hell for this girl who will have to work in jail and can't party at all.

[Gatordog]

I just read about it too. I'm wondering how the interview will go and I wonder if Larry will take calls from viewers.

You know, they can't have it both ways - is she here in Florida or is it California? They make themselves look so ridiculous. I can't wait to hear this latest nonsense on Larry King.

[mu8shark]

Good post and after reading I too am grateful for my parents.Amen, I was thinking of Cindy telling Mr Grund that it was no big deal that Casey stole 300.00 from Jesse as it was the first time she did it and not much money. My parents would never , ever have had that attitude. Never, I can see a parent trying to get another personn not to press charges but to make light of it, no way. No way.

[Justice Denied?]

I agree with every word of your "vent". Thanks for sharing it.

I've spent a lot of time defending Cindy and trying to understand her state of denial. Watching her pander to this piece of sh** daughter makes me just want to shake her. I can't say I wouldn't support my daughter in a similar situation, but trust me -- I would get the truth out of her no matter what it was. Mothers know instinctively when their kids are lying and no one can tell me that Cindy is any different.

I always told my kids "the truth can't possibly get you in as much trouble with me than catching you in a lie." I may not like what they do, but my love is unconditional.

I feel the same way. Nothing my child could do could cause me to stop loving them. But if one of them harmed a child, I would be that child's bigges advocate and I would do everything in my power to see the whole truth came out and the proper price was paid for the crime committed. I would especially be demanding my grandchild was brought home alive or dead.

[mu8shark]

You know, they can't have it both ways - is she here in Florida or is it California? They make themselves look so ridiculous. I can't wait to hear this latest nonsense on Larry King. When is this set to air? And what sightings in CA? They have never mentioned that, they just want to be on tv.again and get a soft sell interview, plus free hotel and all. I agree. Guess Caylee gets around the world.

[Gatordog]

From WESH:

While Cindy Anthony said she doesn't watch all of the media coverage about the case, there's about to be a lot of national exposure.

Attorney Jose Baez is scheduled to appear on NBC's "Today" on Tuesday morning.

The Anthonys will also fly to California for an appearance on "Larry King Live" on Wednesday.

They'll also use the trip to investigate a possible sighting of Caylee on the West Coast.

The search for Caylee is also slated to be featured on NBC's "Dateline" on Friday at 10 p.m.

[Gatordog]

Amen, I was thinking of Cindy telling Mr Grund that it was no big deal that Casey stole 300.00 from Jesse as it was the first time she did it and not much money. My parents would never , ever have had that attitude. Never, I can see a parent trying to get another personn not to press charges but to make light of it, no way. No way.

Exactly, it's a parent's duty to try to make it right, but not excuse it. Casey should have been forced to admit to stealing it, pay it back and make a $300 donation to a charity of the Grund's choosing.

[Justice Denied?]

Amen, I was thinking of Cindy telling Mr Grund that it was no big deal that Casey stole 300.00 from Jesse as it was the first time she did it and not much money. My parents would never , ever have had that attitude. Never, I can see a parent trying to get another personn not to press charges but to make light of it, no way. No way.

When I was7 or 8, I stole some pencils from a convenience type store. I was made to take them back and apologize to the owner. I also didn't get to go the store for a treat for a long time. I am with Gator. I thank God for parents who taught personal responsibility.

[deputydi]

When I was7 or 8, I stole some pencils from a convenience type store. I was made to take them back and apologize to the owner. I also didn't get to go the store for a treat for a long time. I am with Gator. I thank God for parents who taught personal responsibility.
I guess since your parents made you do the right thing, they didn't love you. :biggrin:

[mu8shark]

Local Updates from this morning:

WKMG is the only station that had news on the Anthonys. They had their last vigil of the year last night due to the church being unavailable until January. The Anthonys are going to be on Larry King this Wednesday. They are going to court today (I think through a Baez motion) to get LE to investigate the mall child and other leads. The Anthonys cannot get any information or watch security videos from other states unless Orange County LE requests the videos. They are going to try to force the Sherriff's office to investigate all sightings or at least make it available for the defense to be able to investigate.

Cindy's latest Foot in Mouth Disease: She stated to the news reporter that she wishes everyone could have seen the jail videos right at the start because then everyone would have seen that Casey is so compassionate and caring and has lots of emotions. She said that everyone is saying that Casey is cold and uncaring but the videos show just the opposite.

This woman cannot see the forest right in front of her because of the trees! Casey never once cried about Caylee - she cried because she wanted to be home. She cried because she looked like hell, she was emotional because she has to eat coleslaw and bologna. I can tell you what's a lot of baloney - Cindy and Casey. The only true thing Casey said was that she was a lot like Cindy - neither of them knows how to tell the truth.

GatorThey want to force LE to look into the sightings.? Careful what you wish for, as Nancy says ,for you will surely get it. If LE looks into these sightings they will prove them to be bogus and then where will Baez be? Even if the person with the child at the mall does not come forward, it is very possible to enlarge those photos and there are experts to compare them. Which means unless Caylee had a chin implant and nose job, not the same child. Also on Larry King, couldn't the Anthonys not spend the search money (for what is a vacation) and go the their local studio and go on Larry King. Others do it. I doubt Larry King will do a very good job, he is not exactly a tough interviewer except when he just has a moment of cranky. LOL.If they really want to do a solid interview go on Geraldo. I guess that won't happen because from the first interview Geraldo failed to kiss Cindys butt and she got mad.

[One2Snoop]

Anthony Defense Team Leaves Discs Full Of Tips
Monday, December 8, 2008 – updated: 5:07 pm EST December 8, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Although Casey Anthony's family and her lawyers claim her missing daughter Caylee is alive, information that could help find her has been abandoned at the Orange County Sheriff's Office for an entire month.

Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, went to court demanding access to those tips but he hasn’t examined them yet. Casey Anthony is charged with murder in connection with the child’s death although her body has not been found.

On November 5, 2008, Baez said, “We all believe she's alive and if these tips, if there's one credible tip in that 5,000, it's worth us going through them.”

He’s received repeated reminders that the tips, which took 50 hours and $980 to compile, were ready for him to pick up.

Baez filed a court motion asking for "any police investigation reports or any other similar documentation… Which involves the investigation of tips, leads and follow-ups… On sightings of Caylee." Baez's spokesman says the Sheriff's Office has misled them in the past, implying the abandoned discs don't contain tips of Caylee sightings. He said that even though the defense hasn't looked at them yet. He also said that Baez "could maybe already know what's on those discs."

The Sheriff's Office offered to let the defense team look at all the tips it wants after it's paid for the work that's already been done. So far, Baez has not done that.

Baez is scheduled back in court Thursday for a pre-trial hearing, on Casey Anthony's murder charges.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18230424/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Anthonys On State’s Decision Against Death

...“I think we should be out there looking for Caylee and not focused on a few lies Casey told to the Sheriff’s Office. The evidence will speak for itself.”...

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/anthonys-on-states-decision-against-death/

>>a few lies Casey told to the Sheriff’s Office.

Helllllllooooooooo? Shouldn't that be "a few truths"??

[One2Snoop]

Caylee's Grandparents Hope Subpoena Will Aid In Search
3-Year-Old Girl Last Seen In Mid-June

POSTED: 9:26 am EST December 8, 2008
UPDATED: 1:48 pm EST December 8, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- The attorney for Casey Anthony, who remains jailed on murder charges in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, filed a motion seeking a subpoena to obtain surveillance video from area businesses involved in possible Caylee sightings.

Jose Baez, the attorney representing Casey Anthony, made the request on Monday. Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, said they need the subpoena to help in their search for their missing granddaughter.

"We can't do it as private citizens. It has to be law enforcement," said Cindy Anthony, referring to following up on tips in the case.

The Orange County Sheriff's Office has said that evidence shows Caylee is dead.

Meanwhile, Cindy Anthony told Local 6 News that she and her husband will be traveling to California after receiving a tip about Caylee, and they will appear on Larry King Live.

Cindy Anthony also said she wished that jail visitation videos released last week would have been seen by the public earlier.

"I said from the very beginning, if they would have shown those tapes people would have seen that she does have emotions," Cindy Anthony said. "She's not a cold, calloused person like everybody wants to paint her out to be. She's a desperate, loving mother."

Casey Anthony, 22, told authorities she had left her daughter with a baby sitter in mid-June and the two were gone when she returned from work. She said she spent the next month trying to find her daughter and didn't call authorities because she was scared. Investigators say they have poked several holes in her story.

http://www.local6.com/news/18226693/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Listening to NG and she said Caylee had a bruise on her face - There's a photo and it was taken by Casey's hairdresser. :eek: Did I hear that right?

[One2Snoop]

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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/12/04/ng.jail.video.cnn

[mu8shark]

Boy if I were an advisor I would tell this family to shut up. I mean , let's not focus on a few lies Casey told.???? So just ignore the death smell, that cadaver dogs smelled, that George, Cindy, tow yard guy, Body Farm and God knows who else? Just ignore that hair that came from a dead child with Caylee's mitrochrondial dna. Science is just science, right Cindy? Forget about those chloroform and neck breaking searches online and the words inhalation and death goggled. They say they are going to have a press conference, but not now, later. They say they have tapes that prove she is alive , yet they can't be bothered to petition the court for them right away, will do that later. Lee is going to supposedly go to the media with a statement of Casey's according to her on those shameful jail tapes and that was months ago. About those sheriff office tips, no money for that now maybe later, but Cindy and George and going to get dough somewhere to go to California. I think by now everyone can see right through this family. I think they know that businesses don't keep tapes indefinitely and want to go to court and say, "Well but Caylee was on those tapes, darn it , we just got to them too late. You know and I know that most of us would have made that motion a long time ago for those tapes if we were sincere. I am also beginning to think Baez is a really, really bad lawyer who has no business on this case.

[Justice Denied?]

I guess since your parents made you do the right thing, they didn't love you. :biggrin:

I guess so. Guess we weren't smart enough to know we weren't loved. Also, we were rarely physically punished, but my dad could break hearts by letting us know we disappointed him in some way. And we were hugged when we did better.

And you want to know what? We turned out to be decent people who raised decent people who are raising decent people. Well, you get the message. At least no one is addicted to drugs or alcohol, in jail or pregnant out of wedlock.
(Today, as far as I know. LOL):D

[Justice Denied?]

Listening to NG and she said Caylee had a bruise on her face - There's a photo and it was taken by Casey's hairdresser. :eek: Did I hear that right?

That's what they said. Casey told Cindy Caylee's hair had only been cut at home and that she colored her hair herself and hadn''t been to the hairdresser since the first week of April. Don't know if LE followed up on this or not.

You can send your litle elfdog to Texas to fill my stocking. He is so cute.;)

[One2Snoop]

That's what they said. Casey told Cindy Caylee's hair had only been cut at home and that she colored her hair herself and hadn''t been to the hairdresser since the first week of April. Don't know if LE followed up on this or not.

You can send your litle elfdog to Texas to fill my stocking. He is so cute.;)

My doggy's a girl and her name is Cha Cha. She ripped that outfit off in no time flat LOL. :tongue:

Thanks for the info about what I heard on NG. I've had a horrible cold and my ears are somewhat plugged and wasn't sure I heard it right.

[One2Snoop]

I'm a bit behind and somehow missed this video - did any of you listen to it? Funny how channel 6 issues a warning about bad language LOL....

Authorities release videos of jailhouse visits involving Casey Anthony.
Part III Warning: May Contain Coarse Language

http://www.local6.com/video/18208805/index.html

ETA - Nevermind - I thought this was something new - I've already seen it about 10 times.

[deputydi]

Sorry Dep, I thought I read that Cindy attacked you and accused you of saying Caylee was dead. I'm confused now.. ;-) Or was that a hypotetical scenario? I hear you about your children. I agree and feel the same way about mine, but our kids are not sociopaths. Casey is not normal.
That was Gatordog who got reamed out by Cindy.

[deputydi]

From WKMG:

Cindy Anthony also said she wished that jail visitation videos released last week would have been seen by the public earlier.

"I said from the very beginning, if they would have shown those tapes people would have seen that she does have emotions," Cindy Anthony said. "She's not a cold, calloused person like everybody wants to paint her out to be. She's a desperate, loving mother."

Gator :rolleyes:
Unbelievable! These tapes confirm everything we've been saying. Casey is an experienced liar and sometimes I think she actually believes her own lies. Her uncaring, narcissistic attitude comes across loud and clear.

[One2Snoop]

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[lorettalockhorn]

Listening to NG and she said Caylee had a bruise on her face - There's a photo and it was taken by Casey's hairdresser. :eek: Did I hear that right?

NG didn't stay on that topic very long.

Orange County Investigator Yuri Melich's Testimony
Orange County Lead Detective Yuri Melich testified that when searching Casey's car, which is owned by her parents, that he smelled what he described as decomposition. He also testified that strands of hair, which could be Caylee Anthony's hair, as well as dirt and a stain were found in the trunk of the car. The car was sent for forensic testing.
Meilch described Casey as a "person of interest" rather than a suspect in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee. He discussed tips the police had received including a cell phone photo which showed a mark and bruises on Caylee's body and under her eye. A witness he interviewed also mentioned seeing the child with bruises.

When cross examined, he said there was no direct evidence which proved Casey Anthony had anything to do with the disappearance of her daughter.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/qt/caylee_july22_b.htm

Melich also said a witness he interviewed remembered seeing bruises on Caylee's body and a mark under her eye without knowing that Melich had a photo showing similar marks on the toddler.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,389642,00.html

Found discussion about the bruising at WS, but the pic had been removed.

[lorettalockhorn]

Speaking of NG, apparently the attorney whose name I've forgotten, argued against the death penaly because Casey exhibits some of the hallmarks of bipolar disorder. WTF?? Bipolar is not insanity and is not a defense. And apparently Casey has never been diagnosed with bipolar disorder anyway.

Whatever. Guess she can spend the rest of her life (hopefully!) in jail with a bunch of other mentally ill folks.

[One2Snoop]

NG didn't stay on that topic very long.

Orange County Investigator Yuri Melich's Testimony
Orange County Lead Detective Yuri Melich testified that when searching Casey's car, which is owned by her parents, that he smelled what he described as decomposition. He also testified that strands of hair, which could be Caylee Anthony's hair, as well as dirt and a stain were found in the trunk of the car. The car was sent for forensic testing.
Meilch described Casey as a "person of interest" rather than a suspect in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee. He discussed tips the police had received including a cell phone photo which showed a mark and bruises on Caylee's body and under her eye. A witness he interviewed also mentioned seeing the child with bruises.

When cross examined, he said there was no direct evidence which proved Casey Anthony had anything to do with the disappearance of her daughter.

http://crime.about.com/od/current/qt/caylee_july22_b.htm

Melich also said a witness he interviewed remembered seeing bruises on Caylee's body and a mark under her eye without knowing that Melich had a photo showing similar marks on the toddler.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,389642,00.html

Found discussion about the bruising at WS, but the pic had been removed.

:seeya: Thanks Loretta - wow so that was talked about back in July - I wonder why NG brought it up again? I need to read the transcript because I don't recall where she was heading with that bit of info.

[One2Snoop]

So I guess the point NG was making was to point out another one of Casey's lies.

NANCY GRACE
Casey Anthony Defense Ignores Police Tip Collection
Aired December 8, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/08/ng.01.html

CINDY ANTHONY: Where did you take Caylee to get her hair cut?

CASEY ANTHONY: I never took Caylee anywhere to get her hair cut. That`s why when I heard that, that was complete (DELETED). The only time Caylee`s gotten her hair cut has been at the house...

(CROSSTALK)

CASEY ANTHONY: ... when you did it.

CINDY ANTHONY: I know that. Who was your beautician?

(CROSSTALK)

CASEY ANTHONY: No one colored my hair. I did my hair last.

CINDY ANTHONY: OK.

CASEY ANTHONY: No one has touched my head since the first week of April, after my 21st birthday last year. That was the last person that cut my hair.

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m just wondering where that came from.

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, exactly. I`m wondering where that came from.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY: She`s between your age and dad`s age so she`s...

CINDY ANTHONY: About 55?

CASEY ANTHONY: Roughly, yes.

CINDY ANTHONY: Have you ever heard her sister`s name? Not Zanny`s sister, her mom`s sister`s name, Zanny`s aunt`s name?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: Is it possible that she could be staying with her sister -- Zanny`s mom could be staying with Zanny`s aunt in Miami?

CASEY ANTHONY: That`s a possibility. I don`t know where exactly they are in Miami or who they`re staying with, but it`s a possibility.

CINDY ANTHONY: Does Christina sound familiar to you, or Sophina?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: OK.

(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Here you hear the tot mom, Casey Anthony, even blaming her hair stylist. If you think back to the beginning of the investigation, recall a photo emerged of little Caylee apparently with a bruise on her face taken by a hair stylist. That was the reports we got. Here she`s saying, I haven`t been to the hair stylist. I haven`t had my hair colored, nothing. All this is a big fat lie. Well, that photo came from somewhere.

[One2Snoop]

Speaking of NG, apparently the attorney whose name I've forgotten, argued against the death penaly because Casey exhibits some of the hallmarks of bipolar disorder. WTF?? Bipolar is not insanity and is not a defense. And apparently Casey has never been diagnosed with bipolar disorder anyway.

Whatever. Guess she can spend the rest of her life (hopefully!) in jail with a bunch of other mentally ill folks.


Mr. Lenamon, you argued against the death penalty. You argued mitigating circumstances. What were they?

LENAMON: There was numerous mitigating circumstances that we presented to Mr. Lamar (ph), who`s the state attorney in Orange County. Among those is some of the facts that you actually have seen that come out -- had come out on your show and in the newspaper about her personality, her behavior, her sleeplessness, her reactions...

GRACE: Are you trying to say she`s insane?

LENAMON: Absolutely not insane. Insanity is not an issue in this case. My job is to present to Mr. Lamar`s office the facts and circumstances as they exist in a light most favorable to him, should she get convicted. And that`s the approach I used.

GRACE: Mrs. Lenamon -- Mr. Lenamon, have you seen the photos of tot mom dancing in a mini-skirt and a push-up bra in the days after little Caylee -- Casey -- after little Caylee went missing? It hardly suggests that she`s having a depression or any type of a mental illness.

LENAMON: Well, I disagree with you, Nancy. I think if you`re familiar with bipolar disorder...

GRACE: I`m very familiar.

LENAMON: ... mania is symptomatic of someone who is not sleeping, who`s acting irrationally, who`s spending a lot of money, and whose brain thought process is different from ours. And I think that that could explain some of the things that were going on in Miss Anthony`s world at this time.

GRACE: Interesting because those are the symptoms of bipolar.

To Jason Oshins, defense attorney. Bipolar is in no way -- while Lenamon is correct, she exhibits some of those characteristics, she`s never been diagnosed as bipolar. Bipolar is not a mental defect defense and it is not insanity. Fifty percent of the people in Manhattan claim they`re bipolar.

OSHINS: It`s probably true.

GRACE: And it`s probably true! Can you blame them?

OSHINS: No, I don`t. But again, I don`t think that`s really, you know, the issue we`re talking about. We`re narrowing it down to mitigating circumstances on a death sentence. I think that`s really where the focus is. I don`t think it was in the state`s interest to try this as a death penalty case.

GRACE: Not what I asked you, but thank you for the sermon...

OSHINS: You`re welcome.

GRACE: ... Pastor Oshins.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/08/ng.01.html

[mu8shark]

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http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/ Okay I sent in a question or two about the evidence, but I wonder if the Anthonys have set some condition where they will only answer questions about a live Caylee and will not discuss the evidence. I can't imagine they would free wheel it and take questions from the public. If all of them are sympathetic you will know that they have been screened to soft pedal the Anthonys. I can't wait to see this!

[mu8shark]

I've been thinking about the trash bag in the trunk. . I heard that Tony Lazarro admitted to investigators the trash bag came from his apartment and he is puzzled. I think this may be a really good piece of evidence. How did that trash bag get there in the back with Caylee's body and the smell of decomp and maybe there was even some kind of fluid on it.? I am watching about the Melanie whatshername where she put her husband in trash bags and they could tell that those trash bags his body was found in ,came from Melanie's exact roll of trash bags. It is not that hard to match that up. It was something the jury found very convincing. Now, here is the defense option. A roommate put it back there or killed Caylee, but this is really problematic, no motive and no access to Caylee. Casey said she never stayed the night there and was not left alone with anyone. If one of them was watching Caylee and she just disappeared Casey would have told that story by now. On to Tony, as a juror I have a lot of trouble believing that Tony met her in May and in mid June was madly in love with her and had to have her so badly he got rid of her child. It is just far fetched. And in the text messages between them, afterwards he is clueless and she never accuses him of anything. So scratch Tony. That leaves Casey as the only believable one to have put that trash bag back there from Tony's apartment with Caylee's body,, she has motive and opportunity. I think maybe this is something that may become very important.

[One2Snoop]

Okay I sent in a question or two about the evidence, but I wonder if the Anthonys have set some condition where they will only answer questions about a live Caylee and will not discuss the evidence. I can't imagine they would free wheel it and take questions from the public. If all of them are sympathetic you will know that they have been screened to soft pedal the Anthonys. I can't wait to see this!

Will definitely be interesting to see - I sent in a question also. I asked, "Since you know Casey has lied to you over and over again, why do you continue to treat Casey like she's a princess and not press her harder about Caylee's whereabouts?"
Thats not to harsh and doesn't mention anything about dead or alive. Maybe my question will pass the nice question test and be asked on air. Pick me :seeya: Pick me! :seeya: :tongue:

[mu8shark]

On the bruise, if I were the prosecutor I would leave that alone unless they have some pattern they can prove. Children do get bruises and you don't want to try and make it some pattern of child abuse that led to murder unless you have the goods. It would damage the credibility of the state to go there , if there is no there, there, know what I mean?

[mu8shark]

Will definitely be interesting to see - I sent in a question also. I asked, "Since you know Casey has lied to you over and over again, why do you continue to treat Casey like she's a princess and not press her harder about Caylee's whereabouts?"
Thats not to harsh and doesn't mention anything about dead or alive. Maybe my question will pass the nice question test and be asked on air. Pick me :seeya: Pick me! :seeya: :tongue: I ask them to explain the smell now that it has been proven there was no pizza. I also pointed out Cindy and George both said it smelled like a decomposed human body in the beginning and wanted to know how they explain a cadaver dog hitting on a pizza box or a dead animal. I also ask about the hair and band on it and Caylees mitrochrondial dna. If they are soft pedaling they will surely bypass me. LOL.

[One2Snoop]

I've been thinking about the trash bag in the trunk. . I heard that Tony Lazarro admitted to investigators the trash bag came from his apartment and he is puzzled. I think this may be a really good piece of evidence. How did that trash bag get there in the back with Caylee's body and the smell of decomp and maybe there was even some kind of fluid on it.? I am watching about the Melanie whatshername where she put her husband in trash bags and they could tell that those trash bags his body was found in ,came from Melanie's exact roll of trash bags. It is not that hard to match that up. It was something the jury found very convincing. Now, here is the defense option. A roommate put it back there or killed Caylee, but this is really problematic, no motive and no access to Caylee. Casey said she never stayed the night there and was not left alone with anyone. If one of them was watching Caylee and she just disappeared Casey would have told that story by now. On to Tony, as a juror I have a lot of trouble believing that Tony met her in May and in mid June was madly in love with her and had to have her so badly he got rid of her child. It is just far fetched. And in the text messages between them, afterwards he is clueless and she never accuses him of anything. So scratch Tony. That leaves Casey as the only believable one to have put that trash bag back there from Tony's apartment with Caylee's body,, she has motive and opportunity. I think maybe this is something that may become very important.

Good thinking mu8. ITA! :beer:

[One2Snoop]

On the bruise, if I were the prosecutor I would leave that alone unless they have some pattern they can prove. Children do get bruises and you don't want to try and make it some pattern of child abuse that led to murder unless you have the goods. It would damage the credibility of the state to go there , if there is no there, there, know what I mean?


True and yes I know what you mean LOL.

[One2Snoop]

I ask them to explain the smell now that it has been proven there was no pizza. I also pointed out Cindy and George both said it smelled like a decomposed human body in the beginning and wanted to know how they explain a cadaver dog hitting on a pizza box or a dead animal. I also ask about the hair and band on it and Caylees mitrochrondial dna. If they are soft pedaling they will surely bypass me. LOL.

http://i38.tinypic.com/5nj6e9.gif

[mu8shark]

http://i38.tinypic.com/5nj6e9.gifA truer smiley was never posted lol. I know Cindy will blow right by any serious question.!!

[mu8shark]

Well i already got a notice from staff at LKL saying they would reserve the right to edit my question to make it appropriate for broadcast. You just know this is going to be such a soft interview! My question was very basic and straightforward but probably very hard to answer, If they use it it, it will probably be something like, so you don't really know what that smell was but it was not a pizza. ?

[One2Snoop]

Well i already got a notice from staff at LKL saying they would reserve the right to edit my question to make it appropriate for broadcast. You just know this is going to be such a soft interview! My question was very basic and straightforward but probably very hard to answer, If they use it it, it will probably be something like, so you don't really know what that smell was but it was not a pizza. ?

OMG - let me go check my email to see if I got a response - maybe its just a generic reply they send out to everyone but yeah I can see them butchering your question to tippy toe over the smell issue.

[One2Snoop]

Thank you for submitting your questions for Larry King to ask his guest. Please be advised submitted questions may be edited for production purposes.

[TLC]

If casey hadn't been to the hairdresser since May and the tapes are in July- her hair must have been REALLY short in may and perfectly - beyond perfectly trimmed as it is quite straight and well cut in the tapes, oddly, my hair after 2 months would be jagged and uneven. On another note, if I were the prosecutor I would sum up the case with TWO sentences. "I guess I'm just a spiteful B**CH" and "I'm stll here" (on the tape with George talking about the fingers -who each one is with Caylee being the pinky I believe, he states something about having to have BOTH of them back, she states that phrase, which immediately makes me angry).

[Gatordog]

Anthonys On State’s Decision Against Death

...“I think we should be out there looking for Caylee and not focused on a few lies Casey told to the Sheriff’s Office. The evidence will speak for itself.”...

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/anthonys-on-states-decision-against-death/

>>a few lies Casey told to the Sheriff’s Office.

Helllllllooooooooo? Shouldn't that be "a few truths"??

Hey, we're making progress. Now they are lies, a few months ago they were just "mistruths". :D

[Mac]

Anthony Defense Team Leaves Discs Full Of Tips
Monday, December 8, 2008 – updated: 5:07 pm EST December 8, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Although Casey Anthony's family and her lawyers claim her missing daughter Caylee is alive, information that could help find her has been abandoned at the Orange County Sheriff's Office for an entire month.

Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, went to court demanding access to those tips but he hasn’t examined them yet. Casey Anthony is charged with murder in connection with the child’s death although her body has not been found.

On November 5, 2008, Baez said, “We all believe she's alive and if these tips, if there's one credible tip in that 5,000, it's worth us going through them.”

He’s received repeated reminders that the tips, which took 50 hours and $980 to compile, were ready for him to pick up.

Baez filed a court motion asking for "any police investigation reports or any other similar documentation… Which involves the investigation of tips, leads and follow-ups… On sightings of Caylee." Baez's spokesman says the Sheriff's Office has misled them in the past, implying the abandoned discs don't contain tips of Caylee sightings. He said that even though the defense hasn't looked at them yet. He also said that Baez "could maybe already know what's on those discs."

The Sheriff's Office offered to let the defense team look at all the tips it wants after it's paid for the work that's already been done. So far, Baez has not done that.

Baez is scheduled back in court Thursday for a pre-trial hearing, on Casey Anthony's murder charges.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18230424/detail.html

Left for a full day, and see what I miss!!!

What's amazing here is that the fact that OCSO has had Caylees tips was discussed and argued for about 30 minutes at the last motion hearing. Cindy Anthony is all over the news beating up LE for these tips. George wants to spend every last dollar, exhaust every last hope.

And what do they do?

Leave the tips along with a $900 bill for clerical work

Why in the world would Baez leave the door open for the prosecutor with this little tasty tidbit. The minute they try to argue that LE has been lax, the prosecutor will throw this little fact at them.

Anyone?

[Mac]

Anthonys On State’s Decision Against Death

...“I think we should be out there looking for Caylee and not focused on a few lies Casey told to the Sheriff’s Office. The evidence will speak for itself.”...

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/12/08/anthonys-on-states-decision-against-death/

>>a few lies Casey told to the Sheriff’s Office.

Helllllllooooooooo? Shouldn't that be "a few truths"??

Right on Loretta!

But then again, Cindy is not only a "Nurse of Decomposition"......she is also an expert in legal argument. She says so because she watches CSI 2x a week....even the re-runs!!

Just being sarcastic of course.

[Gatordog]

From Myfoxorlando news this a.m.:

The two women from Florida Mall were on the news. They both work in a store very near the play area. They both believe that this is Caylee, not that it might be Caylee. When asked why they didn't do aomethong they said you just can;t go and grab someone's child. Well to me that's a contradiction. If it's a kidnapped child, it's not their child. I would think that if you worked in a small shop at the mall, you have the phone number to mall security very close by. To me, that makes it all the more unbelievable. If you were just a visitor to the mall you might not know where security was located or a have a phone number to call.

It was repoerted that LE has given the Anthonys a letter they can use to view security videotapes.

I'd like to know what excuse the family is now going to use for not being able to look for Caylee.

Gator

[Mac]

I've been thinking about the trash bag in the trunk. . I heard that Tony Lazarro admitted to investigators the trash bag came from his apartment and he is puzzled. I think this may be a really good piece of evidence. How did that trash bag get there in the back with Caylee's body and the smell of decomp and maybe there was even some kind of fluid on it.? I am watching about the Melanie whatshername where she put her husband in trash bags and they could tell that those trash bags his body was found in ,came from Melanie's exact roll of trash bags. It is not that hard to match that up. It was something the jury found very convincing. Now, here is the defense option. A roommate put it back there or killed Caylee, but this is really problematic, no motive and no access to Caylee. Casey said she never stayed the night there and was not left alone with anyone. If one of them was watching Caylee and she just disappeared Casey would have told that story by now. On to Tony, as a juror I have a lot of trouble believing that Tony met her in May and in mid June was madly in love with her and had to have her so badly he got rid of her child. It is just far fetched. And in the text messages between them, afterwards he is clueless and she never accuses him of anything. So scratch Tony. That leaves Casey as the only believable one to have put that trash bag back there from Tony's apartment with Caylee's body,, she has motive and opportunity. I think maybe this is something that may become very important.


That bag opens up a lot of questions. Why it would be in the trunk in the first place. Maybe something as innocent as she was trying to show she was cleaning Tony's house, to show she would make a good wife....not having time to go to the dumpster, she threw it in the trunk.

Or, did she see the need to put something else in the bag...receipts, clothing, in other words trying to hide something.

I think the latter

[Mac]

From Myfoxorlando news this a.m.:

The two women from Florida Mall were on the news. They both work in a store very near the play area. They both believe that this is Caylee, not that it might be Caylee. When asked why they didn't do aomethong they said you just can;t go and grab someone's child. Well to me that's a contradiction. If it's a kidnapped child, it's not their child. I would think that if you worked in a small shop at the mall, you have the phone number to mall security very close by. To me, that makes it all the more unbelievable. If you were just a visitor to the mall you might not know where security was located or a have a phone number to call.

It was repoerted that LE has given the Anthonys a letter they can use to view security videotapes.

I'd like to know what excuse the family is now going to use for not being able to look for Caylee.

Gator

Gator....(Great football game last week huh?)

I think that LE is taking the tact that if all the Anothony's have as a defense is that LE is NOT looking for her...then it might be better for the State to give them all the info and let them have at it.

IT shuts Cindy up, gives George some self worth, and helps to prove that the baby is dead. Also that Cindy is full of crap and misleading the public by taking the focus off Casey by lying that the baby is alive.

[Mac]

Hmmm, so if Caylee is alive, whoever has her must not have a TV or a computer and doesn't know the entire country is looking for her. Darn it, they keep having these sightings just like when they claim UFO sightings. Now ya see um! Now ya don't! This Casey character thinks the investigators came in yesterdays mail and their brain cells fell off a truck.

I noticed Lenard, when he was answering NG last night, sounded positive the child is dead and has been since the first night Casey left her parents house. NG seemed to agree. Didn't one of her boyfriends say he saw Caylee once.
I don't know the exacts on the dates.


Jesse Grund said that he spoke to Casey on the phone about 2 weeks later and said he heard Casey scold Caylee, and heard the baby in the background.

He later re-counted that story

[Mac]

From Myfoxorlando news this a.m.:

The two women from Florida Mall were on the news. They both work in a store very near the play area. They both believe that this is Caylee, not that it might be Caylee. When asked why they didn't do aomethong they said you just can;t go and grab someone's child. Well to me that's a contradiction. If it's a kidnapped child, it's not their child. I would think that if you worked in a small shop at the mall, you have the phone number to mall security very close by. To me, that makes it all the more unbelievable. If you were just a visitor to the mall you might not know where security was located or a have a phone number to call.

It was repoerted that LE has given the Anthonys a letter they can use to view security videotapes.

I'd like to know what excuse the family is now going to use for not being able to look for Caylee.

Gator

This story is stacking up to be BS. You are right....call security and have the kid checked out. Also, why in the world, if you are a kidnapper, tale the child to such a public place. Why not just take her to a Caylee Vigil for a night out on the town.:no:

It don't add up at all.

I think this will turn out to be a couple of people that want their pics on Nancy Grace

[sharlock]

That bag opens up a lot of questions. Why it would be in the trunk in the first place. Maybe something as innocent as she was trying to show she was cleaning Tony's house, to show she would make a good wife....not having time to go to the dumpster, she threw it in the trunk.

Or, did she see the need to put something else in the bag...receipts, clothing, in other words trying to hide something.

I think the latter
I always just assumed that Casey was trying to cover the smell in the trunk by putting trash in there. She was living at Tony's so that is the easiest place to get a bag of trash from. JMO

[sharlock]

Hey Gator! (Sorry about the confusion, re: you meeting Cindy. I thought it was deputy) The fact that Casey is looking down during 99% of those visits with her parents in jail is clearly the body language of a liar. She's about as desperate as a 5 year old on a time out bench for stealing the cookies.
I am a little annoyed with the media about this. NG keeps repeating over and over that she has secretly filmed tapes blah blah blah but we know that the Anthony's were very aware that their visits were being recorded and so many psychs have mentioned Casey looking down even after being asked to look up but in the videos it is clear that the camera is up at eye level recording and the TV with the visitor picture is on a screen which is low on the desk. If she wanted to look at them then she had to look down. Because the media are not making this clear they are adding sensationalism to a case that has already had its full. I want to be able to beleive what I hear but statements like these make me doubt, they don't need to make things up Casey has already hung herself with her lies imo.

[sharlock]

Well i already got a notice from staff at LKL saying they would reserve the right to edit my question to make it appropriate for broadcast. You just know this is going to be such a soft interview! My question was very basic and straightforward but probably very hard to answer, If they use it it, it will probably be something like, so you don't really know what that smell was but it was not a pizza. ?

Oh I can answer that one for you even if they don't change it, Cindy style!
"How do you know there wasn't a pizza that had been in the trunk for 14 days in the heat which had just been removed before the car was abandoned? I mean who truly knows how much a pizza might stink in the hot sun after that long and who can say it wouldn't smell like something rotting? I mean absolutely there was a box for pizza in the trunk and that tells me that the pizza was there at some point too. I mean whose to say that Casey didn't remove it?:chicken:
I have just given myself a headache lol! But there you go a typical Cindy answer for you.

[Gatordog]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18236258/detail.html

I don't think there is any place in Florida where they can get a jury which will find her not guilty. First, if they go to the Southeast area - Hollywood, Miami area there are lots of Hispanics there. In the pages of evidence, there are some very unflattering things said about Cindy's tolerance of Hispanic people. That will weigh heavily against Casey. They don't appreciate her having manufactured a Puerto Rican woman to have kidnapped Caylee (just like Susan Smith with the Black carjacker). One day, back in August, a 70ish year old Puerto Rican woman stopped me to talk. She grabbed my arm and started going on about why a Puerto Rican woman was accused of taking that child. She went on about how that wouldn't happen and if she saw that skinny (Spanish explicative) she'd slap her face. Funny, how the oddest things happen to me while I'm minding my own business. :) I almost always am smiling so I guess that leaves me open to these encounters.

Second, if they go to Southwest or Northwest Florida, they won't wait for the prosecution to rest before they find her guilty.

The safest place would be Northeast (Jacksonville). Other than there, I think she's toast.

Joanne

[One2Snoop]

Jesse Grund said that he spoke to Casey on the phone about 2 weeks later and said he heard Casey scold Caylee, and heard the baby in the background.

He later re-counted that story

I thought it was the cat she told to get off the table. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18236258/detail.html

I don't think there is any place in Florida where they can get a jury which will find her not guilty. First, if they go to the Southeast area - Hollywood, Miami area there are lots of Hispanics there. In the pages of evidence, there are some very unflattering things said about Cindy's tolerance of Hispanic people. That will weigh heavily against Casey. They don't appreciate her having manufactured a Puerto Rican woman to have kidnapped Caylee (just like Susan Smith with the Black carjacker). One day, back in August, a 70ish year old Puerto Rican woman stopped me to talk. She grabbed my arm and started going on about why a Puerto Rican woman was accused of taking that child. She went on about how that wouldn't happen and if she saw that skinny (Spanish explicative) she'd slap her face. Funny, how the oddest things happen to me while I'm minding my own business. :) I almost always am smiling so I guess that leaves me open to these encounters.

Second, if they go to Southwest or Northwest Florida, they won't wait for the prosecution to rest before they find her guilty.

The safest place would be Northeast (Jacksonville). Other than there, I think she's toast.

Joanne

Whats in Northeast Jacksonville?

[One2Snoop]

Baez on the Today Show....

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/18424824#28138635

[One2Snoop]

Baez says we only know a fraction of the story and says we'll learn everything when this goes to trial. Gee I can hardly wait. I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear the "real truth". I wonder how he'll spin the stories Casey told in the beginning - particularly those in her own handwriting? :rolleyes:

[mu8shark]

Left for a full day, and see what I miss!!!

What's amazing here is that the fact that OCSO has had Caylees tips was discussed and argued for about 30 minutes at the last motion hearing. Cindy Anthony is all over the news beating up LE for these tips. George wants to spend every last dollar, exhaust every last hope.

And what do they do?

Leave the tips along with a $900 bill for clerical work

Why in the world would Baez leave the door open for the prosecutor with this little tasty tidbit. The minute they try to argue that LE has been lax, the prosecutor will throw this little fact at them.

Anyone? Why ,because Baez is not up to the task at all. Even if they went and retrieved them and never looked at them, it would look better in court like they were concerned and that there was some sense of urgency in finding a live Caylee. If there is no money for the tips tapes, why is there money for Cindy and George to fly to sunny California? Because Cindy wants face time. And she wants to make an appeal to a jury pool that Caylee is alive.

[One2Snoop]

Anthony’s want mall surveillance tapes

Last Edited: Tuesday, 09 Dec 2008, 7:09 AM EST
Created: Monday, 08 Dec 2008, 9:25 PM EST

BY HOLLY BRISTOW AND TRACY JACIM
FOX 35 NEWS

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Most people have seen the latest picture in the case of missing Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony.

The picture snapped at the Florida Mall on November 16 shows a child which closely resembles the three year old who has been missing since June. Now the grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony want to see the surveillance video that was captured that day.

Monday George Anthony said that three mall security guards have seen the surveillance video and have approached the family and said they should look at it.

But, mall management will only release the video to Orange County Sheriffs Office. A mall spokesperson said they will never hand over surveillance video to a civilian, especially when an investigation is underway.

That answer proves frustrating to George Anthony. "It’s a 50/50 chance,” he said. “Why not give us that opportunity?”

Video
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8027982&version=1&locale=EN-US

Investigators have said that their evidence shows Caylee is dead, they have charged her mother Casey with murder, and they're not interested in seeing the surveillance video. The Anthony's still believe the Caylee is alive and say this is setting them back in their search for the missing granddaughter.
"It’s definitely frustrating especially when we have people who actually believe they've seen Caylee,” said George Anthony. “When you look at that photo we really believe its her.”

George Anthony said their daughter's defense attorney, Jose Baez, will be filing a subpoena in hopes of getting a hold of that surveillance video from the Florida Mall.

Tuesday George and Cindy Anthony are scheduled to fly to Los Angeles, California where they will appear as guests on the CNN show Larry King live. While they're in California, George Anthony said they'll be following up on a tip of a possible Caylee sighting in Newport Beach.

The pretrial in the murder case against Casey is scheduled for Thursday in an Orange County courtroom.


FOX 35 interviews woman who took picture
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8029731&version=1&locale=EN-US

In an exclusive interview, FOX 35 spoke with the woman who took the cell phone picture of the little girl at the Florida Mall. Halima Solomita works at a jewelry story mere feet from the playground where she says she saw the little girl playing.

"I have not been able to sleep since. Pictures of Caylee keep running through my head," said Solomita.

Another woman, Valerie Johnson, was with Solomita when she snapped the cell phone image. "You can't just take someones child," said Johnson. "Its' hard to make a split-second decision like that when you're trying to reach someone who can help. I've never been in a situation like that in my entire life."

The two women said when they first saw the little girl, they did call Crimeline but were kept on hold for more than twenty minutes before hanging up the phone. "I took my last cell phone picture as the woman (accompanying the little girl who resembled Caylee) tried to cover her head with her arm to hide from me taking her picture," Solomita said.

When asked why she did not immediately call mall security, Solomita responded "they would have done the same thing we did, call police."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8028871&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[mu8shark]

That bag opens up a lot of questions. Why it would be in the trunk in the first place. Maybe something as innocent as she was trying to show she was cleaning Tony's house, to show she would make a good wife....not having time to go to the dumpster, she threw it in the trunk.

Or, did she see the need to put something else in the bag...receipts, clothing, in other words trying to hide something.

I think the latter Here is my theory, I think she used that bag at one time to kind of line the trunk so that body fluids would not get all over the carpet in the trunk and there may have been decomp fluid on it. I think this bag and the tests they did on it, which I know for sure they did because they sent it off to a lab according to the released documents , may have some evidence on it, they are not releasing.

[Mac]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18236258/detail.html

I don't think there is any place in Florida where they can get a jury which will find her not guilty. First, if they go to the Southeast area - Hollywood, Miami area there are lots of Hispanics there. In the pages of evidence, there are some very unflattering things said about Cindy's tolerance of Hispanic people. That will weigh heavily against Casey. They don't appreciate her having manufactured a Puerto Rican woman to have kidnapped Caylee (just like Susan Smith with the Black carjacker). One day, back in August, a 70ish year old Puerto Rican woman stopped me to talk. She grabbed my arm and started going on about why a Puerto Rican woman was accused of taking that child. She went on about how that wouldn't happen and if she saw that skinny (Spanish explicative) she'd slap her face. Funny, how the oddest things happen to me while I'm minding my own business. :) I almost always am smiling so I guess that leaves me open to these encounters.

Second, if they go to Southwest or Northwest Florida, they won't wait for the prosecution to rest before they find her guilty.

The safest place would be Northeast (Jacksonville). Other than there, I think she's toast.

Joanne

Joanne

Thanks for the link....I missed that one. One thing they point out is that getting a change of venue is highly unlikley. I kind of sgree with that. I think that they will move forward with the case in Orlando. With the money issues that most of Florida has these days, why go through the extra expense? Not that I think they are going to go after this on the cheap. Baez has nothing that I can see to offer that the jury would be bias. It goes against what he says all along, Cindy is searching for a live Caylee, the baby is alive....etc

Let her get a fair trial...then hang her!!

[Mac]

Here is my theory, I think she used that bag at one time to kind of line the trunk so that body fluids would not get all over the carpet in the trunk and there may have been decomp fluid on it. I think this bag and the tests they did on it, which I know for sure they did because they sent it off to a lab according to the released documents , may have some evidence on it, they are not releasing.

MU

Don't they have to release the findings sooner or later to BAez for Discovery?

[mu8shark]

MU

Don't they have to release the findings sooner or later to BAez for Discovery? They have to release everything to Baez before trial but they don't have to release every little detail publicly. Contrary to the media saying Florida's sunshine laws require releasing all of the evidence, from what I can see and from what I understand that is bunk. They released the info because the wanted to for their strategic reasons. In the Jessica Lund case which was in Florida as well, they hardly released anything till trial. This is just my understanding that they can keep a lot more to themselves if they want to., I think that the prosecutor wants the most of the evidence out there for two reasons, one to get the jury pool to believe she is guilty ahead of time and also in order to convince Cindy and George that she is guilty , hoping at one time they would cooperate. Also with Cindy and George going on tv and saying she is alive, she is alive, the prosecution combats that by releasing their damning evidence. However, at one time Leonard and another reporter on NG said that they had not released everything, there was something they were holding back . I am hopeful they are right. PS The thing is there were maggots on the bag which makes me think Caylee was in there or on there at one time.At least it has been described that way.

[Gatordog]

Whats in Northeast Jacksonville?

The largest city in northeast Fl is Jacksonville. It's about 2 hrs north of here. I just think it would be the place Baez would want to hold the trial due to racial make up (like I said, Cindy has made some very negative statements about Hispanics). They do not have our local channels there so the publicity is limited and they are not as conservative as the west side of Fl. It's within a daily drive if necessary for the defense team and family.

[Gatordog]

Baez says we only know a fraction of the story and says we'll learn everything when this goes to trial. Gee I can hardly wait. I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear the "real truth". I wonder how he'll spin the stories Casey told in the beginning - particularly those in her own handwriting? :rolleyes:

These people crack me up :biggrin: I'm supposed to believe that Caylee is alive and being kept somewhere but the defense and family won't pick up the tipline leads because they don't contain the info that they are looking for. Somehow, without viewing the discs they know what's on them. Of course the tips are useless, the child was murdered. Then they also keep saying that there is info which they have but can't talk about, even if it's supposed to find a missing child. We'll hear this info during the trial. With only three defense witnesses taking the stand? :shrug:

[samanthajane13]

"These people crack me up I'm supposed to believe that Caylee is alive and being kept somewhere but the defense and family won't pick up the tipline leads because they don't contain the info that they are looking for. Somehow, without viewing the discs they know what's on them. Of course the tips are useless, the child was murdered. Then they also keep saying that there is info which they have but can't talk about, even if it's supposed to find a missing child. We'll hear this info during the trial. With only three defense witnesses taking the stand?"

If they have info about Caylee's kidnappers or her whereabouts, and really wanted to get Casey out of this whole mess, why wouldn't they come forward with it???

Caylee would be rescued, Casey would be off the hook for the murder, and there would be no need for the trial, except for the other charges!!!

You would think this would be a WIN-WIN situation for them.

I'm convinced they're ALL NUTZ!!!

Sorry folks-CAYLEE'S DEAD and YOUR DAUGHTER DID IT!!!!

AND YOU ALL NEED TO BE COMMITTED!!!

[Mac]

They have to release everything to Baez before trial but they don't have to release every little detail publicly. Contrary to the media saying Florida's sunshine laws require releasing all of the evidence, from what I can see and from what I understand that is bunk. They released the info because the wanted to for their strategic reasons. In the Jessica Lund case which was in Florida as well, they hardly released anything till trial. This is just my understanding that they can keep a lot more to themselves if they want to., I think that the prosecutor wants the most of the evidence out there for two reasons, one to get the jury pool to believe she is guilty ahead of time and also in order to convince Cindy and George that she is guilty , hoping at one time they would cooperate. Also with Cindy and George going on tv and saying she is alive, she is alive, the prosecution combats that by releasing their damning evidence. However, at one time Leonard and another reporter on NG said that they had not released everything, there was something they were holding back . I am hopeful they are right. PS The thing is there were maggots on the bag which makes me think Caylee was in there or on there at one time.At least it has been described that way.


You have confirmed what I thought. And you were right about the maggots. I also remember a case where maggots were used to extract DNA from. A guy died in a tub and was there for months. The used the maggots to extract chemicals and DNA. Found out the guy OD'ed on Meth

[Mac]

"These people crack me up I'm supposed to believe that Caylee is alive and being kept somewhere but the defense and family won't pick up the tipline leads because they don't contain the info that they are looking for. Somehow, without viewing the discs they know what's on them. Of course the tips are useless, the child was murdered. Then they also keep saying that there is info which they have but can't talk about, even if it's supposed to find a missing child. We'll hear this info during the trial. With only three defense witnesses taking the stand?"

If they have info about Caylee's kidnappers or her whereabouts, and really wanted to get Casey out of this whole mess, why wouldn't they come forward with it???

Caylee would be rescued, Casey would be off the hook for the murder, and there would be no need for the trial, except for the other charges!!!

You would think this would be a WIN-WIN situation for them.

I'm convinced they're ALL NUTZ!!!

Sorry folks-CAYLEE'S DEAD and YOUR DAUGHTER DID IT!!!!

AND YOU ALL NEED TO BE COMMITTED!!!



Donna

of course you are right....but they live in their little world where their daughter was raised as a princess...no discipline whatsoever.


And yes they do need to be committed

[mu8shark]

You have confirmed what I thought. And you were right about the maggots. I also remember a case where maggots were used to extract DNA from. A guy died in a tub and was there for months. The used the maggots to extract chemicals and DNA. Found out the guy OD'ed on Meth Is this too much to hope for that they were able to extract dna from the maggots in this case? I know it is possible. It would be a great piece of information if they got dna.

[One2Snoop]

You have confirmed what I thought. And you were right about the maggots. I also remember a case where maggots were used to extract DNA from. A guy died in a tub and was there for months. The used the maggots to extract chemicals and DNA. Found out the guy OD'ed on Meth



ewwwwwwww - I just took a bite of my pizza when I read this. Thanks. :seeya: LOL.

[One2Snoop]

TES would like to ask everyone to send their prayers to Tim Miller. He has been in the hospital, out of town, for two days having tests run. No news of what may be causing the chest pains and shortness of breath yet. Please keep him and all of TES and their cases in your hearts and prayers.

Texas EquuSearch would like to welcome our new Florida Branch! We are very excited to have a new branch in our organization. The new contact number for that branch is: 407.217.4270

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

[deputydi]

The largest city in northeast Fl is Jacksonville. It's about 2 hrs north of here. I just think it would be the place Baez would want to hold the trial due to racial make up (like I said, Cindy has made some very negative statements about Hispanics). They do not have our local channels there so the publicity is limited and they are not as conservative as the west side of Fl. It's within a daily drive if necessary for the defense team and family.
My son and daughter both live in Jacksonville. I'll have to think about arranging my vacation around the trial if they move it there.

[One2Snoop]

Read the official timeline of the Casey Anthony case as authored by Orange County investigators

This PDF is composed of documents released by prosecutors in the Casey Anthony case. The document has been edited to remove some personal information and also some profanity.

Please be patient while the document loads; there are 60 pages of evidence.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

[Gatordog]

TES would like to ask everyone to send their prayers to Tim Miller. He has been in the hospital, out of town, for two days having tests run. No news of what may be causing the chest pains and shortness of breath yet. Please keep him and all of TES and their cases in your hearts and prayers.

Texas EquuSearch would like to welcome our new Florida Branch! We are very excited to have a new branch in our organization. The new contact number for that branch is: 407.217.4270

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

I know what has caused him chest pains - it's the stress these damn Anthonys have put him through. :flamemad:

[mu8shark]

Okay usually I defend Leonard to the hilt, but now he has gone too far. Did I hear him say Don't be surprised if the FBI says they have the body somewhere? What is that about? If they found the body I think they are legally bound to tell the family. Not that they would believe it. I mean what the hell?

[One2Snoop]

Casey confirms her story.....

http://i36.tinypic.com/107l4pd.jpg

Page 8 of newly released documents
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

[One2Snoop]

Okay usually I defend Leonard to the hilt, but now he has gone too far. Did I hear him say Don't be surprised if the FBI says they have the body somewhere? What is that about? If they found the body I think they are legally bound to tell the family. Not that they would believe it. I mean what the hell?

WTH? I missed it.

[Gatordog]

Did anyone else notice that attorney Baez seems to have gained a lot of weight? Seems to me that he must be under a great deal of stress from this case. Could someone be nervous about the evidence? :D

Gator

[One2Snoop]

I know what has caused him chest pains - it's the stress these damn Anthonys have put him through. :flamemad:

I bet you're right. Hope he feels better soon. :rose:

[deputydi]

I am a little annoyed with the media about this. NG keeps repeating over and over that she has secretly filmed tapes blah blah blah but we know that the Anthony's were very aware that their visits were being recorded and so many psychs have mentioned Casey looking down even after being asked to look up but in the videos it is clear that the camera is up at eye level recording and the TV with the visitor picture is on a screen which is low on the desk. If she wanted to look at them then she had to look down. Because the media are not making this clear they are adding sensationalism to a case that has already had its full. I want to be able to beleive what I hear but statements like these make me doubt, they don't need to make things up Casey has already hung herself with her lies imo.

I'm getting a little annoyed at the sensationalism also. Especially NG. Our justice system is adversarial and that means both sides get to speak. She ridicules and cuts off at mid-sentence all of the defense attorneys. Sometimes what they are saying is laughable, but sometimes they actually have something interesting to contribute.

[Gatordog]

Okay usually I defend Leonard to the hilt, but now he has gone too far. Did I hear him say Don't be surprised if the FBI says they have the body somewhere? What is that about? If they found the body I think they are legally bound to tell the family. Not that they would believe it. I mean what the hell?

Oh I missed that - now I need to watch the show again at 10:00.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Garbage bag in dumpster -

http://i34.tinypic.com/2s7udm8.jpg

page 17 of newly released documents
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

[Justice Denied?]

Baez says we only know a fraction of the story and says we'll learn everything when this goes to trial. Gee I can hardly wait. I'm sitting on pins and needles waiting to hear the "real truth". I wonder how he'll spin the stories Casey told in the beginning - particularly those in her own handwriting? :rolleyes:

I amso sick and tired of hearing we will have to wait till trial to hear the "real truth." Why don't they tell it now and bring Caylee home? Casey can get out of jail and they can get back to their lives.:mad::flamemad:

You know, I was thinking last night that if I were Casey, I would come up with a whole new story and tell it like it was the whole truth and nothing but. Leave out Zenaida completely. Course I couldn't come up with such a story.:D

[samanthajane13]

" TES would like to ask everyone to send their prayers to Tim Miller. He has been in the hospital, out of town, for two days having tests run. No news of what may be causing the chest pains and shortness of breath yet. Please keep him and all of TES and their cases in your hearts and prayers.

Texas EquuSearch would like to welcome our new Florida Branch! We are very excited to have a new branch in our organization. The new contact number for that branch is: 407.217.4270

http://www.texasequusearch.org/"

GET WELL, TIM!!!

You're in our prayers!!!

[mu8shark]

I'm getting a little annoyed at the sensationalism also. Especially NG. Our justice system is adversarial and that means both sides get to speak. She ridicules and cuts off at mid-sentence all of the defense attorneys. Sometimes what they are saying is laughable, but sometimes they actually have something interesting to contribute.In the beginning of her tv tenure Nancy was better, it seems like after she had the twins she became downright rude. I don't know what is up, she ridicules, cuts them off, gets pissed if they don't understand her question or if they don't answer it the way she wants them to. When the defense attorneys say absurd stuff you could come back with more rational, sensible questions or comments and put them in their place, I think. Some nights she just drives me crazy. I wish Greta would go back to covering this case, her panel was excellent and reasonable.

[One2Snoop]

Okay usually I defend Leonard to the hilt, but now he has gone too far. Did I hear him say Don't be surprised if the FBI says they have the body somewhere? What is that about? If they found the body I think they are legally bound to tell the family. Not that they would believe it. I mean what the hell?

Oh I missed that - now I need to watch the show again at 10:00.

Gator

Yup he said it - I just read it posted elsewhere. Wonder why he would say something like that and still make plans to do a search in January. :shrug:
Bizarre.

[lorettalockhorn]

I amso sick and tired of hearing we will have to wait till trial to hear the "real truth." Why don't they tell it now and bring Caylee home? Casey can get out of jail and they can get back to their lives.:mad::flamemad:

Well yeah. Considering the defense witnesses are Kobelinsky and H.Lee. Exactly how is it that these two (don't we should assume are on the case to refute The State's forensics evidence?) are going to give us the full story??

[mu8shark]

Garbage bag in dumpster -

http://i34.tinypic.com/2s7udm8.jpg

page 17 of newly released documents
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage How in the world did you figure out how to do this? You are some genius snoop!Are these pdf documents. PM me and tell me how you did this. I would be so willing to post all kinds of relevant stuff to help out. Now on to my comment, there were food items in the trunk? I see that and I think Casey was absolutely, positively trying to give the trunk a reason to smell bad. She left that food in there on purpose. I mean otherwise why would anyone do that? It makes no sense. It was obviously done to cover up the dead smell .

[mu8shark]

Well yeah. Considering the defense witnesses are Kobelinsky and H.Lee. Exactly how is it that these two (don't we should assume are on the case to refute The State's forensics evidence?) are going to give us the full story??Casey has to testify. He can't just introduce stuff in his opening statement and not have testimony to it. It would be without foundation and it would not come in. If this is the case, I think that maybe Baez is really in over his head and maybe even is a bit hoodwinked by Casey and believes her story. Maybe he is planning on having her testify. Or the other option is he is just buying time and trying to convince a jury pool there is another story and at trial , there will be no story. Remember Geragos said ahead of time that he would prove who killed Laci other than Scott and he said it alot and even offered up possibilities with no merit, the brown van, the cult, then at trial he could not get the evidence in because it was completely without foundation. I think Baez may be going in the same direction. When Geragos did this, it bit him in the ass badly because all they were left to listen to were Scott's lies and it will I hope be the same with Casey.

[lorettalockhorn]

How in the world did you figure out how to do this? You are some genius snoop!Are these pdf documents. PM me and tell me how you did this. I would be so willing to post all kinds of relevant stuff to help out. Now on to my comment, there were food items in the trunk? I see that and I think Casey was absolutely, positively trying to give the trunk a reason to smell bad. She left that food in there on purpose. I mean otherwise why would anyone do that? It makes no sense. It was obviously done to cover up the dead smell .

I've always thought that she used Tony's trash and food items to place in the car to go bad and cover the odor that Caylee's decomposing body left.

[mu8shark]

Yup he said it - I just read it posted elsewhere. Wonder why he would say something like that and still make plans to do a search in January. :shrug:
Bizarre. Here's what I think , I think Leonard has been told through a leak with LE that there is much more evidence that conclusively proves Caylee is dead but maybe was not told the specifics and he is grasping at straws. But he is wrong I bet. I don't know why but I am now almost certain LE is holding something back , maybe they got a dna profile from the maggots as another poster suggested. When I had my site way back this was my theory that when they sent the bag off with the maggots, they did this test . I have seen no info on the results anywhere in thousands of pages of documents. So where are the results? Almost every interview and test has been released but nothing on the bag. Also maybe the bag had decomp fluid and they got Caylee's pure dna from that. Call it hunch but I think they are holding something major back. Esp the way they made the announcement last week that Caylee was positively dead or however they worded it, it was stronger than ever before. As for them having the body, I still think that is impossible. You can;t just hold onto that info till trial. You have to have an autopsy and then release the body to the family by law. So Leonard is out there on that one!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Casey has to testify. He can't just introduce stuff in his opening statement and not have testimony to it. It would be without foundation and it would not come in. If this is the case, I think that maybe Baez is really in over his head and maybe even is a bit hoodwinked by Casey and believes her story. Maybe he is planning on having her testify. Or the other option is he is just buying time and trying to convince a jury pool there is another story and at trial , there will be no story. Remember Geragos said ahead of time that he would prove who killed Laci other than Scott and he said it alot and even offered up possibilities with no merit, the brown van, the cult, then at trial he could not get the evidence in because it was completely without foundation. I think Baez may be going in the same direction. When Geragos did this, it bit him in the ass badly because all they were left to listen to were Scott's lies and it will I hope be the same with Casey.

I'll be surprised if Casey testifies. Correction. Flabbergasted.

[One2Snoop]

How in the world did you figure out how to do this? You are some genius snoop!Are these pdf documents. PM me and tell me how you did this. I would be so willing to post all kinds of relevant stuff to help out. Now on to my comment, there were food items in the trunk? I see that and I think Casey was absolutely, positively trying to give the trunk a reason to smell bad. She left that food in there on purpose. I mean otherwise why would anyone do that? It makes no sense. It was obviously done to cover up the dead smell .

Yes they're pdf files.
Print Screen - save it to Paint. Then I go to "my pictures" and edit/crop it in
MS Office Picture Manager. I use tinypic.com to upload the pictures.

[browneyes106]

After watching Nancy Grace I think the California "sighting" of a white child with a Hispanic family is probably nothing. Leonard Padilla brought up a good point that Hispanics vary in physical features due to ethnic backgrounds and mixing. I'm Hispanic and on my dad's side of the family one of my aunts has red hair and green eyes while my dad and his other siblings have dark brown or black hair and brown eyes. My mom's side of the family varies a lot. My mom and three of her siblings are very light with blue eyes and my other two uncles have dark hair and skin. My theory is that the child spotted is probably related or connected to the people she was with.

[browneyes106]

I'll keep Tim in my prayers. He is a fine man.

[mu8shark]

After watching Nancy Grace I think the California "sighting" of a white child with a Hispanic family is probably nothing. Leonard Padilla brought up a good point that Hispanics vary in physical features due to ethnic backgrounds and mixing. I'm Hispanic and on my dad's side of the family one of my aunts has red hair and green eyes while my dad and his other siblings have dark brown or black hair and brown eyes. My mom's side of the family varies a lot. My mom and three of her siblings are very light with blue eyes and my other two uncles have dark hair and skin. My theory is that the child spotted is probably related or connected to the people she was with. It does point out how absurd this is becoming on their part that any child who is with someone Hispanic and the child does not look like them apparently is worth checking out. It is just bizarre.

[mu8shark]

Notice that Baez said Miss Anthony wants people to know she is 100 per cent innocent. You would think a desperate mother would want to release a different statement maybe begging the kidnapper to return her child, but again Casey's focus in on Casey, nothing about being hopeful to find her daughter or missing her child. Nothing, Zip ,Zilch, Nada, Butkis.

[lorettalockhorn]

TES would like to ask everyone to send their prayers to Tim Miller. He has been in the hospital, out of town, for two days having tests run. No news of what may be causing the chest pains and shortness of breath yet. Please keep him and all of TES and their cases in your hearts and prayers.

Texas EquuSearch would like to welcome our new Florida Branch! We are very excited to have a new branch in our organization. The new contact number for that branch is: 407.217.4270

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

How did I miss this? Thanks so much for posting to let us know. Tim Miller is a modern day hero. Godspeed.

[One2Snoop]

Reported on NG - the video tape at the restaurant was taped over because the people waited to long before reporting the sighting.... duh people :punch: how difficult is it to call 911? :cuss:



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George and Cindy Anthony will be going to that restaurant where that possible sighting took place. They're hoping to look at surveillance video captured of the child. George Anthony told FOX 35 that he was anxious to see what they find. "We'd love to have her home before Christmas."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.2.1

[mu8shark]

Reported on NG - the video tape at the restaurant was taped over because the people waited to long before reporting the sighting.... duh people :punch: how difficult is it to call 911? :cuss:



snip
George and Cindy Anthony will be going to that restaurant where that possible sighting took place. They're hoping to look at surveillance video captured of the child. George Anthony told FOX 35 that he was anxious to see what they find. "We'd love to have her home before Christmas."

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.2.1

Does that make sense to you that someone would wait a long time to call on this.??? Come on if you were really, really interested and bothered you would call right away or at least when you got home. Can you say BOGUS?

[One2Snoop]

Does that make sense to you that someone would wait a long time to call on this.??? Come on if you were really, really interested and bothered you would call right away or at least when you got home. Can you say BOGUS?

but, but, but the guys an attorney and they have sworn affidavits. I wonder if he's friends with Baez? :rolleyes: (That's Dominic Casey speaking below - not CA)

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The man who called in the tip is an attorney. Casey says the man was dining with his girlfriend. "He and his girlfriend provided sworn affidavits. They had been prepared by an attorney," said Casey. In those affidavits, Casey says the couple swore that they truly believed that the child they saw was Caylee Marie Anthony.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8036003&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[browneyes106]

but, but, but the guys an attorney and they have sworn affidavits. I wonder if he's friends with Baez? :rolleyes: (That's Dominic Casey speaking below - not CA)

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The man who called in the tip is an attorney. Casey says the man was dining with his girlfriend. "He and his girlfriend provided sworn affidavits. They had been prepared by an attorney," said Casey. In those affidavits, Casey says the couple swore that they truly believed that the child they saw was Caylee Marie Anthony.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8036003&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

That is a weird twist. Maybe his girlfriend wants 15 minutes of fame so maybe she somehow convinced him to prepare an affidavit and make a report.

[mu8shark]

That is a weird twist. Maybe his girlfriend wants 15 minutes of fame so maybe she somehow convinced him to prepare an affidavit and make a report. I could come home from the grocery store and swear out an affadavit that I thought I say a little girl and I thought it was Caylee, the key word is they thought , they truly believed. LE can't do anything to them for being wrong. They are only swearing to what they believe. Not very strong but enough I guess to get Cindy and George on a plane. And with some of the attorneys I have seen, particulary in the defense field, I am not sure that makes it any better. LOL! If they truly believed they would not have waited so long the place taped over it, they would have gone right away and reported it.

[One2Snoop]

http://i36.tinypic.com/2a9e04o.jpg


Page 58 & 59
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

[browneyes106]

I could come home from the grocery store and swear out an affadavit that I thought it was Caylee, the key word is they thought , they truly believed. LE can't do anything to them for being wrong. They are only swearing to what they believe. Not very strong but enough I guess to get Cindy and George on a plane. And with some of the attorneys I have seen, particulary in the defense field, I am not sure that makes it any better. LOL! If they truly believed they would not have waited so long the place taped over it, they would have gone right away and reported it.

I agree if they were so certain they should have contacted the restaurant management and local police right after the sighting. I think the attorney and his girlfriend are just as bad as the two women from the Florida mall. I predict that the two women at the mall will probably lose their jobs soon because the mall management and security might end up under scrutiny due to the "Caylee" sighting.

[mu8shark]

I agree if they were so certain they should have contacted the restaurant management and local police right after the sighting. I think the attorney and his girlfriend are just as bad as the two women from the Florida mall. I predict that the two women at the mall will probably lose their jobs soon because the mall management and security might end up under scrutiny due to the "Caylee" sighting. It would not surprise me at all if they lost their jobs.

[samanthajane13]

Do you think that maybe the couple in the restaurant may have wanted the sworn affidavits just in case it really was Caylee-so they could collect the rewards???

[sharlock]

Okay usually I defend Leonard to the hilt, but now he has gone too far. Did I hear him say Don't be surprised if the FBI says they have the body somewhere? What is that about? If they found the body I think they are legally bound to tell the family. Not that they would believe it. I mean what the hell?
I just don't know what to think. It was only a few weeks ago that the rumour started that Lee may have led LE to the body. If this were true I don't think they would tell anyone until all the results came back conclusively showing it was Caylee, not even the Anthony's; and I don't think they would be under any obligation to tell the Anthony's either until those results came in. So just supposing here, IF they found Caylee's bones I still believe they would take the DP off the table because unless it ccame with lots of incriminating evidence (which after all this rain and time I doubt) nothing has changed. Casey is holding firm and they have no proof, no witnesses just circumstantial evidence, damning though it may be it doesn't prove murder as opposed to accident and crazy b*&^ch mum.
Yes I find it hard to believe they could manage to keep this under wraps. OK I know it is crazy to put too much stock in this but I can hope can't I?:shrug:

[sharlock]

I'm getting a little annoyed at the sensationalism also. Especially NG. Our justice system is adversarial and that means both sides get to speak. She ridicules and cuts off at mid-sentence all of the defense attorneys. Sometimes what they are saying is laughable, but sometimes they actually have something interesting to contribute.
I really enjoy when she has those people fill in for her, they always seem to get more info and are less focused on just having their own ideas confirmed.

[sharlock]

Here's what I think , I think Leonard has been told through a leak with LE that there is much more evidence that conclusively proves Caylee is dead but maybe was not told the specifics and he is grasping at straws. But he is wrong I bet. I don't know why but I am now almost certain LE is holding something back , maybe they got a dna profile from the maggots as another poster suggested. When I had my site way back this was my theory that when they sent the bag off with the maggots, they did this test . I have seen no info on the results anywhere in thousands of pages of documents. So where are the results? Almost every interview and test has been released but nothing on the bag. Also maybe the bag had decomp fluid and they got Caylee's pure dna from that. Call it hunch but I think they are holding something major back. Esp the way they made the announcement last week that Caylee was positively dead or however they worded it, it was stronger than ever before. As for them having the body, I still think that is impossible. You can;t just hold onto that info till trial. You have to have an autopsy and then release the body to the family by law. So Leonard is out there on that one!!
Good point, I think I prefer your explanation to mine now!:beer:

[sharlock]

After watching Nancy Grace I think the California "sighting" of a white child with a Hispanic family is probably nothing. Leonard Padilla brought up a good point that Hispanics vary in physical features due to ethnic backgrounds and mixing. I'm Hispanic and on my dad's side of the family one of my aunts has red hair and green eyes while my dad and his other siblings have dark brown or black hair and brown eyes. My mom's side of the family varies a lot. My mom and three of her siblings are very light with blue eyes and my other two uncles have dark hair and skin. My theory is that the child spotted is probably related or connected to the people she was with.
Wow in a perfect world your kidnappers take you to the park, to the disney, to play in a public mall and out to dinner with the family after a long week of fun. Caylee won't want to come home she has got it so good.:eek:

[TLC]

LE may have stuff that is NOT on paper, and therefore would not have to be released. It will be put in writing no doubt before trial but they can keep it to themselves if there was no report as yet generated. As for LP- I have always thought he knows more than he lets on and dribbles it out, while what he said last night was a WTF moment, he may be right. They may HAVE evidence of a body, not necessarily the "body" - ie a bone, a tooth anything. They are going forward with the charges despite the so called (eyeroll) sightings etc, they have SOMETHING more than they are saying and I would expect no less. Baez is in WAY over his head IMO and may end up harming more than helping.

[Mac]

ewwwwwwww - I just took a bite of my pizza when I read this. Thanks. :seeya: LOL.



sorry .....not a good thing to read when eating dinner!!!!:seeya:

[Mac]

Well yeah. Considering the defense witnesses are Kobelinsky and H.Lee. Exactly how is it that these two (don't we should assume are on the case to refute The State's forensics evidence?) are going to give us the full story??

Kobe said on NG last night that he has not seen the evidence yet......mind telling me what the hell he is waiting for?

I still think that Baez is playing this on the cheap side and we will have a confession before the trial. Baez is doing nothing besides putting out the same story in order to taint the jury pool. If he can't talk people into believing that the girl is alive, then he will start bargaining in order to save the state money.

He has nothing to defend this chick with.

[Mac]

Notice that Baez said Miss Anthony wants people to know she is 100 per cent innocent. You would think a desperate mother would want to release a different statement maybe begging the kidnapper to return her child, but again Casey's focus in on Casey, nothing about being hopeful to find her daughter or missing her child. Nothing, Zip ,Zilch, Nada, Butkis.


Very well said. She needed to plead to the kidnappers to return her daughter. Again the media is drinking the kool-aid. All she cares about is her defense, nothing else.

[Mac]

Well it only took him about a month to follow up on this sighting.

Damn this guy is quick on his feet. Obviously he knows the baby is dead, even though he keeps throwing out there the opposite. They really want to find this girl!!!

http://www.wftv.com/news/18242921/detail.html

[browneyes106]

Wow in a perfect world your kidnappers take you to the park, to the disney, to play in a public mall and out to dinner with the family after a long week of fun. Caylee won't want to come home she has got it so good.:eek:

Yep usually you would think a kidnapped child would be indoors, hidden away from the public. Maybe there will be a Caylee sighting in New York at Broadway show, one in Nashville at the Grand Ole Opry and one in Las Vegas at the strip.

[Gatordog]

Here's what I think , I think Leonard has been told through a leak with LE that there is much more evidence that conclusively proves Caylee is dead but maybe was not told the specifics and he is grasping at straws. But he is wrong I bet. I don't know why but I am now almost certain LE is holding something back , maybe they got a dna profile from the maggots as another poster suggested. When I had my site way back this was my theory that when they sent the bag off with the maggots, they did this test . I have seen no info on the results anywhere in thousands of pages of documents. So where are the results? Almost every interview and test has been released but nothing on the bag. Also maybe the bag had decomp fluid and they got Caylee's pure dna from that. Call it hunch but I think they are holding something major back. Esp the way they made the announcement last week that Caylee was positively dead or however they worded it, it was stronger than ever before. As for them having the body, I still think that is impossible. You can;t just hold onto that info till trial. You have to have an autopsy and then release the body to the family by law. So Leonard is out there on that one!!

Hi Shark, maybe Leonard is saying these things to make the defense and the Anthonys nervous. He could be trying to smoke them out into doing or saying something stupid.

Gator

[Gatordog]

After watching Nancy Grace I think the California "sighting" of a white child with a Hispanic family is probably nothing. Leonard Padilla brought up a good point that Hispanics vary in physical features due to ethnic backgrounds and mixing. I'm Hispanic and on my dad's side of the family one of my aunts has red hair and green eyes while my dad and his other siblings have dark brown or black hair and brown eyes. My mom's side of the family varies a lot. My mom and three of her siblings are very light with blue eyes and my other two uncles have dark hair and skin. My theory is that the child spotted is probably related or connected to the people she was with.

Very true. My mom is Puerto Rican and she is constantly being asked if she's from France - ? My grandfather was blond and blue eyed and 100% Puerto Rican. You can't go by appearances any more.

[Gatordog]

Kobe said on NG last night that he has not seen the evidence yet......mind telling me what the hell he is waiting for?

I still think that Baez is playing this on the cheap side and we will have a confession before the trial. Baez is doing nothing besides putting out the same story in order to taint the jury pool. If he can't talk people into believing that the girl is alive, then he will start bargaining in order to save the state money.

He has nothing to defend this chick with.

Baez can't have a confession without Casey and she is not going to crack. She knows tht it will be harder to convict without a body. She's going to stick to her story no matter how many holes they blow into it. She's figuring they only need one out of twelve for a hung jury.

[deputydi]

Casey has to testify. He can't just introduce stuff in his opening statement and not have testimony to it. It would be without foundation and it would not come in. If this is the case, I think that maybe Baez is really in over his head and maybe even is a bit hoodwinked by Casey and believes her story. Maybe he is planning on having her testify. Or the other option is he is just buying time and trying to convince a jury pool there is another story and at trial , there will be no story. Remember Geragos said ahead of time that he would prove who killed Laci other than Scott and he said it alot and even offered up possibilities with no merit, the brown van, the cult, then at trial he could not get the evidence in because it was completely without foundation. I think Baez may be going in the same direction. When Geragos did this, it bit him in the ass badly because all they were left to listen to were Scott's lies and it will I hope be the same with Casey.
There is absolutely NO way any attorney with half a brain is going to let her get on the stand. What do you think she would say? Her stories will be torn up on cross and she will be exposed as the liar she is. Baez can say nearly anything he wants to in his opening -- it's not testimony or evidence. IMO it's a mistake to make statements you can't back up, but attorneys do it all the time.

I don't think Baez' witness list is complete yet. His job is not to "prove" her innocent -- the State has to prove her guilty and he has to show reasonable doubt to the jury. He, actually, doesn't have to call a single witnesses. It would be sheer insanity to expose Casey to cross-examination. (Although I'd love to see it happen)

[deputydi]

Baez can't have a confession without Casey and she is not going to crack. She knows tht it will be harder to convict without a body. She's going to stick to her story no matter how many holes they blow into it. She's figuring they only need one out of twelve for a hung jury.

Great post and I agree with every word.

[Gatordog]

I think the reason Baez has not yet asked for a change of venue is so that Cindy and George can still travel all over the place, talking about the case. How can you ask the judge for a change of venue and then have your "side" traveling to other jurisdictions talking about the case? The pretrial hearing is tomorrow. I'll be interested to hear if he asks for it then after the Larry King LIve show. If I was the judge, I'd ask why should I change venue when you were on the Today show this week and the parents were on Larry King? Where can it be moved to where it hasn't been overly shown on TV and then let's not forget, Dateline is also going to run the story this week.

[Gatordog]

There is absolutely NO way any attorney with half a brain is going to let her get on the stand. What do you think she would say? Her stories will be torn up on cross and she will be exposed as the liar she is. Baez can say nearly anything he wants to in his opening -- it's not testimony or evidence. IMO it's a mistake to make statements you can't back up, but attorneys do it all the time.

I don't think Baez' witness list is complete yet. His job is not to "prove" her innocent -- the State has to prove her guilty and he has to show reasonable doubt to the jury. He, actually, doesn't have to call a single witnesses. It would be sheer insanity to expose Casey to cross-examination. (Although I'd love to see it happen)

He can say it in is opening, but can the prosecution then say in closing that "you were going to be provided with xyz evidence, and you weren't"? Also, no way is Casey not going to take the stand. She thinks she's smarter than everyone and the judge is going to ask her if it's her decision to not take the stand and then she will say no. I can't see Baez stopping her.

In Florida, I believe the defense has the option of not putting on any witnesses. If they do this then on closing arguements, the defense goes first, the prosecution second and then the defense gets to come back to rebut the prosecution's closing arguement. They can go on twice only if they do not put on witnesses.

Gator

[deputydi]

I think the reason Baez has not yet asked for a change of venue is so that Cindy and George can still travel all over the place, talking about the case. How can you ask the judge for a change of venue and then have your "side" traveling to other jurisdictions talking about the case? The pretrial hearing is tomorrow. I'll be interested to hear if he asks for it then after the Larry King LIve show. If I was the judge, I'd ask why should I change venue when you were on the Today show this week and the parents were on Larry King? Where can it be moved to where it hasn't been overly shown on TV and then let's not forget, Dateline is also going to run the story this week.
They can run their mouths wherever and whenever they want unless the Judge has hit them with a gag order. The jurisdictions they are traveling to are out of state so it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the jury pool. I honestly don't know why he hasn't made that request. I don't think he will get it, but it doesn't do any harm to ask.

[deputydi]

He can say it in is opening, but can the prosecution then say in closing that "you were going to be provided with xyz evidence, and you weren't"? Also, no way is Casey not going to take the stand. She thinks she's smarter than everyone and the judge is going to ask her if it's her decision to not take the stand and then she will say no. I can't see Baez stopping her.

In Florida, I believe the defense has the option of not putting on any witnesses. If they do this then on closing arguements, the defense goes first, the prosecution second and then the defense gets to come back to rebut the prosecution's closing arguement. They can go on twice only if they do not put on witnesses.

Gator
Sure they can. That's one of the reasons it's a bad idea for the defense to make empty promises. Juries are smarter than a lot of people give them credit for. Especially at the beginning, they pay attention to every word that is said and if one side or the other suggests they will provide evidence of something, they don't forget.

I'd love to agree with you on Casey taking the stand -- what a show that would be. If she tells Baez she is firm on taking the witness stand, he has to allow it. Refusing would set him up for more trouble than he wants to handle. He will do his absolute best to talk her out of it and I think she will probably understand the wisdom in remaining silent. This girl will never in a million years be able to withstand the vigorous cross. If she wants to assure her conviction, let her be sworn in. No one on the State's side is going to treat her with kid gloves so she better be well prepared. Sorry, Gator, I just don't see it happening.

Not only in FL, but no defendant in any State has to mount a defense of any kind. It's simply not required. I, personally, think it's a bad idea for the defense to simply stand up and say "the defense rests". It's almost never done, but some attorneys think it makes a point with the jury. Almost like saying to them "If this is all the State has, why waste my time and yours. They didn't come close to meeting their burden."

[Gatordog]

Sure they can. That's one of the reasons it's a bad idea for the defense to make empty promises. Juries are smarter than a lot of people give them credit for. Especially at the beginning, they pay attention to every word that is said and if one side or the other suggests they will provide evidence of something, they don't forget.

I'd love to agree with you on Casey taking the stand -- what a show that would be. If she tells Baez she is firm on taking the witness stand, he has to allow it. Refusing would set him up for more trouble than he wants to handle. He will do his absolute best to talk her out of it and I think she will probably understand the wisdom in remaining silent. This girl will never in a million years be able to withstand the vigorous cross. If she wants to assure her conviction, let her be sworn in. No one on the State's side is going to treat her with kid gloves so she better be well prepared. Sorry, Gator, I just don't see it happening.

Not only in FL, but no defendant in any State has to mount a defense of any kind. It's simply not required. I, personally, think it's a bad idea for the defense to simply stand up and say "the defense rests". It's almost never done, but some attorneys think it makes a point with the jury. Almost like saying to them "If this is all the State has, why waste my time and yours. They didn't come close to meeting their burden."

What I'm saying is in Florida, the defense would get two bites of the apple in closing arguements. They would be able to go again after the prosecution. They can't do that if they put witnesses on.

[Gatordog]

They can run their mouths wherever and whenever they want unless the Judge has hit them with a gag order. The jurisdictions they are traveling to are out of state so it doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on the jury pool. I honestly don't know why he hasn't made that request. I don't think he will get it, but it doesn't do any harm to ask.

Sure it has to do with the jury pool because if you live in Jacksonville, Ft. Lauderdale or Pensacola or any other county outside of Central Florida, you do not get our local news channels. They won't see the reports that were shown on WFTV or WESH but if it's on cable news, then it's broadcast in the very counties where they would consider moving the trial to and then they are also tainted by the media reports.

[deputydi]

Sure it has to do with the jury pool because if you live in Jacksonville, Ft. Lauderdale or Pensacola or any other county outside of Central Florida, you do not get our local news channels. They won't see the reports that were shown on WFTV or WESH but if it's on cable news, then it's broadcast in the very counties where they would consider moving the trial to and then they are also tainted by the media reports.

It's going to take a lot more than an occasional appearance on one of these shows to convince a judge that a change of venue is warranted.

[One2Snoop]

I think the reason Baez has not yet asked for a change of venue is so that Cindy and George can still travel all over the place, talking about the case. How can you ask the judge for a change of venue and then have your "side" traveling to other jurisdictions talking about the case? The pretrial hearing is tomorrow. I'll be interested to hear if he asks for it then after the Larry King LIve show. If I was the judge, I'd ask why should I change venue when you were on the Today show this week and the parents were on Larry King? Where can it be moved to where it hasn't been overly shown on TV and then let's not forget, Dateline is also going to run the story this week.

And lets not forget the Nancy Grace show where Caylee is featured almost five days out of the week.

[One2Snoop]

Well it only took him about a month to follow up on this sighting.

Damn this guy is quick on his feet. Obviously he knows the baby is dead, even though he keeps throwing out there the opposite. They really want to find this girl!!!

http://www.wftv.com/news/18242921/detail.html

Amazing, isn't it. I'd like to know why he feels the need to jump on this all of a suden considering his actions weren't prompt at all. :rolleyes:

"The inability to act could hinder the prompt and safe recovery of Caylee Marie Anthony," Baez wrote in the request.

[One2Snoop]

Caylee's Grandparents Slated For TV Appearance
Padilla Tells CNN Body May Have Already Been Found

POSTED: 8:40 am EST December 10, 2008
UPDATED: 9:47 am EST December 10, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Reaction to the search for Caylee Anthony will come directly from her grandparents on Wednesday.

George and Cindy Anthony are scheduled to appear on CNN's "Larry King Live" Wednesday night.

Meanwhile, two previous interviews on national television took the search in different directions.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla told CNN's Nancy Grace that investigators may already know where to find the missing toddler.

"Everybody knows when she died, and the 30 days is not a secret anymore ... Don't be surprised if Orange County or the FBI don't drop it on us here that they've got the body somewhere," Padilla said.

The attorney for Caylee's mother, Casey Anthony, appeared on NBC's "Today" on Tuesday.

"We believe that Caylee is alive, and what we want to do, as her attorney I have a responsibility to Casey, and that is to do the best job possible, so it's not an issue of rushing to get a trial just because we expect a body to be found," attorney Jose Baez said.

Anthony's murder trial is slated to begin on Jan. 5. The date and location could change at a status hearing on Thursday.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18243248/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Application for Subpoena Duces Tecum
http://i37.tinypic.com/ek4077.jpg

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Anthony's%20subpeoma%20duces%20tecum.pdf

[One2Snoop]

snip

Dateline NBC (again, WESH-Channel 2) is devoting its 10 p.m. Friday episode to the case.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-121008,0,7214940.story

[applesandorange]

Okay so we have NG at 8:00, LK at 9:00 and Dateline at 10:00. My husbands gonna love me tonight ;)

[One2Snoop]

Okay so we have NG at 8:00, LK at 9:00 and Dateline at 10:00. My husbands gonna love me tonight ;)

Long time no see A&O. :seeya: Hope all is well with you. Dateline is on Friday night so I'm sure he'll be jumping for joy to know that little bit LOL. Thank gawd for DVR in my house.

[applesandorange]

Long time no see A&O. :seeya: Hope all is well with you. Dateline is on Friday night so I'm sure he'll be jumping for joy to know that little bit LOL. Thank gawd for DVR in my house.


Hi :seeya: We are all okay here. Just battling this darn cough and sore throat that we seemed to re aquire from a kid at wrestling. Just when we were getting healthy along comes wrestling and sick kids making us sick ugh. Well what can you do? Tis the season. I have been reading every post. Just haven't had much to say that you all haven't already said lol. You guys are pretty good at summing it up for me. I hope all is well with you. I'll try to post more often.

Thanks for letting me know about Dateline being Friday. He'll be happy to hear that lol.

[One2Snoop]

Hi :seeya: We are all okay here. Just battling this darn cough and sore throat that we seemed to re aquire from a kid at wrestling. Just when we were getting healthy along comes wrestling and sick kids making us sick ugh. Well what can you do? Tis the season. I have been reading every post. Just haven't had much to say that you all haven't already said lol. You guys are pretty good at summing it up for me. I hope all is well with you. I'll try to post more often.

Thanks for letting me know about Dateline being Friday. He'll be happy to hear that lol.

I'm just getting over the dreaded cold/flu bug - it knocked me down for a few days this past weekend - now its hubby's turn and he's always gloating to me how he never gets sick. LOL. :D

[One2Snoop]

:seeya: Hi apples,I have rarely been here as well or just lurking. FIL failing greatly so we are busy spending time with him. I will catch L.K. and N.G. tonight. Hope all is well at your end. All good here it's going peacefully.:rose:

Good to see you too beemeup :seeya: - I'll keep your FIL in my prayers. :rose:

[mu8shark]

LE may have stuff that is NOT on paper, and therefore would not have to be released. It will be put in writing no doubt before trial but they can keep it to themselves if there was no report as yet generated. As for LP- I have always thought he knows more than he lets on and dribbles it out, while what he said last night was a WTF moment, he may be right. They may HAVE evidence of a body, not necessarily the "body" - ie a bone, a tooth anything. They are going forward with the charges despite the so called (eyeroll) sightings etc, they have SOMETHING more than they are saying and I would expect no less. Baez is in WAY over his head IMO and may end up harming more than helping.TLC, this is exactly how I perceive it, they don't have a body, but evidence of a body that is more than they are releasing. It was indeed a WTF moment. I was in the kitchen cooking and I said those words aloud! LOL!

[mu8shark]

Kobe said on NG last night that he has not seen the evidence yet......mind telling me what the hell he is waiting for?

I still think that Baez is playing this on the cheap side and we will have a confession before the trial. Baez is doing nothing besides putting out the same story in order to taint the jury pool. If he can't talk people into believing that the girl is alive, then he will start bargaining in order to save the state money.

He has nothing to defend this chick with. You are right , he has nothing to defend her with except if she tells a different new story. And how is he going to get her new story that we all don't know the details of through his forensic experts. He can't and yet how can he put her on the stand? I think he is in deep, deep waters with no life preserver.

[mu8shark]

Hi Shark, maybe Leonard is saying these things to make the defense and the Anthonys nervous. He could be trying to smoke them out into doing or saying something stupid.

Gator That could be as well. Here is one thing I have figured out about Leonard. He is one of those guys that does not like to get burned. And in his eyes , Casey burned him, made him look stupid and he is out to make sure she goes down. Part of his motive may be showmanship and publicity but part of it is revenge. If he can make sure she is good and caught and put away , he will go the ends of the earth to do and if it brings the truth about what happened to Caylee in the process, all the better.

[mu8shark]

There is absolutely NO way any attorney with half a brain is going to let her get on the stand. What do you think she would say? Her stories will be torn up on cross and she will be exposed as the liar she is. Baez can say nearly anything he wants to in his opening -- it's not testimony or evidence. IMO it's a mistake to make statements you can't back up, but attorneys do it all the time.

I don't think Baez' witness list is complete yet. His job is not to "prove" her innocent -- the State has to prove her guilty and he has to show reasonable doubt to the jury. He, actually, doesn't have to call a single witnesses. It would be sheer insanity to expose Casey to cross-examination. (Although I'd love to see it happen)I totally agree he would be insane but at the Peterson trial, the cult thing never made it into opening statements because the prosecution objected to it being without foundation, so if he makes up say a totally different story and he seems to indicate he is going to, with this thing where he says' the public does not know the truth and when we tell our story everything will make sense ' he has to come up with a different story and he has to have witnesses to introduce it in testimony or he will go down., You are right it is a huge mistake to make claims in an opening and never offer up any testimony. While he does not have to prove her innocence it will be a mistake to just throw all kinds of stuff up and have nothing cohesive. Juries want an alternative. I can't for the life of me figure out how he is going to present this new story, this new truth with no witnesses to present it. I am beginning to think he realizes he is in trouble and is just trying to taint the jury pool and stall for time.

[mu8shark]

He can say it in is opening, but can the prosecution then say in closing that "you were going to be provided with xyz evidence, and you weren't"? Also, no way is Casey not going to take the stand. She thinks she's smarter than everyone and the judge is going to ask her if it's her decision to not take the stand and then she will say no. I can't see Baez stopping her.

In Florida, I believe the defense has the option of not putting on any witnesses. If they do this then on closing arguements, the defense goes first, the prosecution second and then the defense gets to come back to rebut the prosecution's closing arguement. They can go on twice only if they do not put on witnesses.

Gator I kind of wonder if Casey might want to go on the stand. In some of these cases, these kind of personalities who think they are good liars, just insist on it. In the Tom Capano trial, he had to go on the stand, his attorneys were firm against it and he had to do it. He went on the stand and doomed himself. There have been other cases where these personalities who think they are smart and charming insist on it and Baez can't stop it if she insists. And I wonder if he is not a little bamboozled by her. If he truly believes her story, then he may believe everyone else will as well. I just don't think he is a very smart or capable lawyer. At some of the earlier hearings, he lost a motion because he was not aware of proper procedure, press people have described him as being looking overwhelmed. If he had her best interest at heart, he would get a much more experienced attorney.But George is right, he wants the press.

[applesandorange]

:seeya: Hi apples,I have rarely been here as well or just lurking. FIL failing greatly so we are busy spending time with him. I will catch L.K. and N.G. tonight. Hope all is well at your end. All good here it's going peacefully.:rose:


I'm so sorry to hear about your FIL. I'm glad things are going peacefully. It's difficult no matter how it happens but more so if your loved one is in pain. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

[One2Snoop]

On NG - Mall Security will only hand over video's to Law Enforcement.

NG's reaming Baez for waiting so long before taking action on this video.

[One2Snoop]

December 10, 2008
Anthonys: We Won’t Turn Our Back on Caylee
Posted: 02:58 PM ET

Cindy and George Anthony are the granparents of Caylee Anthony, who has been missing since June. Their daughter, Casey Anthony, is currently being held in Florida and has been charged with murder in the case.

Cindy and George Anthony will be guests on Larry King Live Wednesday. Their commentary is an LKL Blog Exclusive.

WOULD YOU TURN YOUR BACK ON YOUR CHILD? THEN WHY ASK US TO TURN OUR BACK ON CAYLEE MARIE…

So many people want to put their theories out there for public speculation and opinion. There is only one true fact that has been ringing true since the beginning of this case, that being that there is a missing child.

Caylee Marie Anthony is a beautiful 3 year old child who has just recently captured the hearts of so many; but please do not forget that she had already captured the hearts of her family from the very moment that she was born.

So many want to see an end in this case, but how can that be until every effort has been made to follow up on every lead. Just ask any family member of a missing person if it is ever over for them, as long as the one they love has not found.

Many are quick to judge and criticize our actions, to those there is only one appropriate response, until you’ve walked in our shoes…then tell us that you would turn your back on your beautiful child.

– Cindy and George Anthony


For more information go to: http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/
http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/10/anthonys-we-wont-turn-our-back-on-caylee-2/

[mu8shark]

Just a few comments about NG and LK preview. Nancy is worse than ever ranting and raving. I think pregnancy did something to her hormones . LOL. Shame on me. And I do not believe for one minute Cindy's statement that LE specifically told her they would not help her look into those photos and sightings because it would quote hurt their case. I don't believe a seasoned detective would be that stupid. I believe Cindy is putting words in a detectives mouth. Secondly if all the calls on LKL are warm and fuzzy you can be sure they carefully screened them to be so. We will see. Hope to see lots of you guys online after LKL.

[mu8shark]

On NG - Mall Security will only hand over video's to Law Enforcement.

NG's reaming Baez for waiting so long before taking action on this video.Well she is right about that, all this waiting is going to kill the defense at trial. The prosecutor will point out how long it took them to get moving. And if you thought it was a live Caylee you would issue a subpoena the next day, the first day the mall denied you the videotapes. The guy on NG is right as an officer of the court he ought to know this and not spend so much time getting face time on tv.

[deputydi]

I totally agree he would be insane but at the Peterson trial, the cult thing never made it into opening statements because the prosecution objected to it being without foundation, so if he makes up say a totally different story and he seems to indicate he is going to, with this thing where he says' the public does not know the truth and when we tell our story everything will make sense ' he has to come up with a different story and he has to have witnesses to introduce it in testimony or he will go down., You are right it is a huge mistake to make claims in an opening and never offer up any testimony. While he does not have to prove her innocence it will be a mistake to just throw all kinds of stuff up and have nothing cohesive. Juries want an alternative. I can't for the life of me figure out how he is going to present this new story, this new truth with no witnesses to present it. I am beginning to think he realizes he is in trouble and is just trying to taint the jury pool and stall for time.
Honestly, I don't think he's going to present any story other than Caylee is alive. I believe he will concentrate on countering the forensic evidence and submit photos showing what is possibly "a live Caylee" and try to discredit LE on cross by showing they didn't follow up on these leads.

If Baez allows Casey to testify, she will have to recount the events of the morning Caylee went missing. Then she will have to explain why she didn't tell anyone (not her parents, her boyfriend, her best friend, etc). The evidence of her partying soon after her daughter disappeared will be introduced and she'll have to explain that. She will have to explain why she identified three places where Zanny supposedly lived and none of them turned out to be real. Casey can't take that chance -- she will put the final nail in her own coffin.

I thought Geragos was a bumbling idiot in the Peterson case, but I think Baez is following the exact same tactics he used. It didn't work then and I don't believe it will work this time either.

[One2Snoop]

California sighting was 5 days after the mall sighting in Florida.

http://i34.tinypic.com/1625f1v.jpg

[mu8shark]

Honestly, I don't think he's going to present any story other than Caylee is alive. I believe he will concentrate on countering the forensic evidence and submit photos showing what is possibly "a live Caylee" and try to discredit LE on cross by showing they didn't follow up on these leads.

If Baez allows Casey to testify, she will have to recount the events of the morning Caylee went missing. Then she will have to explain why she didn't tell anyone (not her parents, her boyfriend, her best friend, etc). The evidence of her partying soon after her daughter disappeared will be introduced and she'll have to explain that. She will have to explain why she identified three places where Zanny supposedly lived and none of them turned out to be real. Casey can't take that chance -- she will put the final nail in her own coffin.

I thought Geragos was a bumbling idiot in the Peterson case, but I think Baez is following the exact same tactics he used. It didn't work then and I don't believe it will work this time either.Boy, do I agree that Geragos was an idiot. I think he is overrated. He won a big gangster's case and suddenly he was the it guy but in the Winona Ryder case he tried to sell the story that she stole to try to do research for a movie part. In the Peterson trial he was going to offer up who really killed Laci. You may be exactly right about his approach, but this thing about how we will all understand when we hear the whole story must be a bluff. It could be he has no real story at all. How lame!

[mu8shark]

California sighting was 5 days after the mall sighting in Florida.

http://i34.tinypic.com/1625f1v.jpg Oooh Yikes that is flattering. LOL

[One2Snoop]

I'm watching Larry King but they're talking about the Il Gov. and the Senate seat that's for sale. :shrug:

Are there different airings of LKL in the same night?

ETA: Nevermind - LK just announced Caylee's Grandparents being interviewed.

[mu8shark]

Two thoughts I have been thinking. One, why didn't Casey just go bury or dump the body as soon as possible. Why did she wait so long to get rid of the body, especially once it started to smell. If she had done it right away(and thank god she didn't) there would be no real reason to scrutinize that trunk so closely. I am not saying they would not look in there but that smell boy did that cause her problems. I just wonder if she was so lazy and so wrapped up in partying and her boyfriend she put it off, out of sight, out of mind. And the other thing I was thinking about was if someone else was in jail charged with killing Caylee with evidence they have , no way would the grandparents be on this she's alive crusade. In fact I have never heard of a case where the police arrested someone and the family crusaded so vehemently to say you have the wrong guy, our loved one is alive. I know that might be a no brainer but it is kind of interesting .

[One2Snoop]

REALLY? :eek: Authorities released several weeks ago the description of the person who took Caylee - Cindy just said so on LKL. :confused:

[Mac]

Cindy says...The reason they charged Casey is because they had their minds made up. Never once did Larry King bring up all the lies, the DNA evidence, etc.

What the hell am I watching here????


Ist question......the pizza story....it was the pizza that caused he smell.....

[One2Snoop]

Caylee spotted in Tenn today at 4 pm! :eek:

[Mac]

Caylee spotted in Tenn today at 4 pm! :eek:


Damn.....Breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:beer:

[deputydi]

Caylee spotted in Tenn today at 4 pm! :eek:
Zenaida sure does get around, doesn't she?

[Mac]

Now LArry king states that she was arrested for child neglect and others....


What about the pictures taken???? Cindy says they were all staged photos!!!!

George just committed perjury...he says the garbage is the cause of the smell......He told the FBI it was Decomposition

[One2Snoop]

Zenaida sure does get around, doesn't she?


She sure does - but don't forget she has lots of money.

Cindy just lyed about the party photo's. WTF? :cuss:

[Mac]

She sure does - but don't forget she has lots of money.

Cindy just lyed about the party photo's. WTF? :cuss:


And George lied about the smell in the car too!!

[One2Snoop]

Now LArry king states that she was arrested for child neglect and others....


What about the pictures taken???? Cindy says they were all staged photos!!!!

George just committed perjury...he says the garbage is the cause of the smell......He told the FBI it was Decomposition


Lies - all lies I tell ya! :no: LK doesn't have the balls to confront them though.

[lorettalockhorn]

G&C are both lying like big dogs. LE had their minds made up.

There was only one party photo of Casey after the 16th. (And it was staged; Casey should have been paid for it.)

The odor was garbage.

C'mon Lar, slap the peewaddle&doo out of those two!

Gosh, if George swears to this new reality in court, will he be charged with lying to LE during the investigation?

[deputydi]

Two thoughts I have been thinking. One, why didn't Casey just go bury or dump the body as soon as possible. Why did she wait so long to get rid of the body, especially once it started to smell. If she had done it right away(and thank god she didn't) there would be no real reason to scrutinize that trunk so closely. I am not saying they would not look in there but that smell boy did that cause her problems. I just wonder if she was so lazy and so wrapped up in partying and her boyfriend she put it off, out of sight, out of mind. And the other thing I was thinking about was if someone else was in jail charged with killing Caylee with evidence they have , no way would the grandparents be on this she's alive crusade. In fact I have never heard of a case where the police arrested someone and the family crusaded so vehemently to say you have the wrong guy, our loved one is alive. I know that might be a no brainer but it is kind of interesting .
I think she did. The dogs hit on a spot in the back yard and that's where I think Caylee was hastily buried. I believe Casey decided that wasn't a good idea and removed her. She didn't know what to do and left Caylee in her trunk for a couple of days trying to figure it out. The speed of decomposition varies depending on weather conditions and it wouldn't take long for this to take place in FL heat and humidity. When the smell got so bad she couldn't take it anymore, I believe she dumped her baby in a body of water and she became alligator bait. That makes me sick to type it, but that is what I believed happened.

[Mac]

King never asked them a pertinent question......this interview was staged for ratings.....and it is going to piss a lot of people off. George committs perjury, cindi lies about the photos, And the Host mever brings up anything about the lies, the DNA evidence, The fact she wasn't wroking....nothing.

I AM PISSED:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

[Mac]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO.....She took a shot at Nancy Grace!!.....When this is done, all the people that watch NG will not watch anymore!!

She must be shakin in her boots!!!!!!!


This is one pathetic old woman

[lorettalockhorn]

King never asked them a pertinent question......this interview was staged for ratings.....and it is going to piss a lot of people off. George committs perjury, cindi lies about the photos, And the Host mever brings up anything about the lies, the DNA evidence, The fact she wasn't wroking....nothing.

I AM PISSED:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

hehehe You and O2S and I got honked off simultaneously at 8:43!!

I don't watch LK much, he gets more and more flaccid, er uh less vigorous about the truth every passing day. As for the Dateline (48 Hours?) program coming up; I've seen them do the same thing, i.e. present one side of a story, let incorrect and untruthful interview answers go unchallenged, and prove that they do little if any background research.

[browneyes106]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO.....She took a shot at Nancy Grace!!.....When this is done, all the people that watch NG will not watch anymore!!

She must be shakin in her boots!!!!!!!


This is one pathetic old woman

I laughed at that. People have been watching NG even before Caylee. Nancy covers other cases. Even though NG annoys me at times I would rather have her for mom than Cindy.

[mu8shark]

King never asked them a pertinent question......this interview was staged for ratings.....and it is going to piss a lot of people off. George committs perjury, cindi lies about the photos, And the Host mever brings up anything about the lies, the DNA evidence, The fact she wasn't wroking....nothing.

I AM PISSED:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad: LK should not do interviews he is so ill informed on. And Cindy lies and lies. LE released a description a few weeks ago!!! No they did not! Then she says she did not say something smells like a dead body, she only said something smells, thought better of it because he just played the F ing tape and said then tries to point out it was a figure of speech. So they are still going with the Nanny story. If LK had been on his feet, he could of pointed out , none of her story checked, out, not where she worked, not where she supposedly left the child, Jeff Hopkins is completely clueless and childless. Then she shows her true colors and is spiteful when she bashes Nancy Grace. I see where Casey gets her spitefulness. Then she says if people watched the local media they would get a different impression than on NG. (I am paraphrasing here) Really, really? So all these local articles that absolutely damn her daughter, are we concocting those? Where are the local media articles that give you a different impression than NG? And George, George who once had my pity,I only have contempt for him. He is so whipped. He goes in and tells the FBI you never forget that smell and then he says it was food and there was a pizza. I guess LE threw the pizza away in order to frame their reliable, responsible, truthful daughter. What a waste of time that was.! I can't wait to see NG response. It will not be pretty. The hell of it is is that LK was so ill informed and not prepared that he kind of aided them, at least if you are a viewer who is barely following the case or new to it. If you are following you know better. Nearly everything Cindy said was false. :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

[browneyes106]

King never asked them a pertinent question......this interview was staged for ratings.....and it is going to piss a lot of people off. George committs perjury, cindi lies about the photos, And the Host mever brings up anything about the lies, the DNA evidence, The fact she wasn't wroking....nothing.

I AM PISSED:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

I agree with you it was ratings ploy.

[One2Snoop]

OOOOOOOOOOOOO.....She took a shot at Nancy Grace!!.....When this is done, all the people that watch NG will not watch anymore!!

She must be shakin in her boots!!!!!!!


This is one pathetic old woman

I wonder if NG will pound Cindy tomorrow on her show LOL.

[mu8shark]

I laughed at that. People have been watching NG even before Caylee. Nancy covers other cases. Even though NG annoys me at times I would rather have her for mom than Cindy.Oh I so agree, even though I get miffed at her style, she is point on about the case, it is just the way she communicates it. And Nancy at least seems to have morals. Cindy has none .And like this case is going to ruin NG. Please

[mu8shark]

Now LArry king states that she was arrested for child neglect and others....


What about the pictures taken???? Cindy says they were all staged photos!!!!

George just committed perjury...he says the garbage is the cause of the smell......He told the FBI it was Decomposition I have to call Cindy on these photos. First of all there are more than one. Secondly, the club said that Casey was not on the payroll to do any kind of photo spread. Then Casey said she was employed by a booze company to do those. And the person who took the photos denies that. Supposedly Cindy was to find a pay stub for this and never could produce it that I am aware of and thirdly lets say I was employed to do that, and my three year old was kidnapped, I believe I would take a pass on that job. Most people when their children are kidnapped don't rush off to work first thing. Oh and I forgot this, Casey said nothing about being employed , she said she went to the club to find Zenaida or find out info on her because she hung out there. Which is it?

[browneyes106]

LK should not do interviews he is so ill informed on. And Cindy lies and lies. LE released a description a few weeks ago!!! No they did not! Then she says she did not say something smells like a dead body, she only said something smells, thought better of it because he just played the F ing tape and said then tries to point out it was a figure of speech. So they are still going with the Nanny story. If LK had been on his feet, he could of pointed out , none of her story checked, out, not where she worked, not where she supposedly left the child, Jeff Hopkins is completely clueless and childless. Then she shows her true colors and is spiteful when she bashes Nancy Grace. I see where Casey gets her spitefulness. Then she says if people watched the local media they would get a different impression than on NG. (I am paraphrasing here) Really, really? So all these local articles that absolutely damn her daughter, are we concocting those? Where are the local media articles that give you a different impression than NG? And George, George who once had my pity,I only have contempt for him. He is so whipped. He goes in and tells the FBI you never forget that smell and then he says it was food and there was a pizza. I guess LE threw the pizza away in order to frame their reliable, responsible, truthful daughter. What a waste of time that was.! I can't wait to see NG response. It will not be pretty. The hell of it is is that LK was so ill informed and not prepared that he kind of aided them, at least if you are a viewer who is barely following the case or new to it. If you are following you know better. Nearly everything Cindy said was false. :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

The interview only further proves that the Anthonys are in denial. Cindy seemed to pull her story about the club pics out of her ass. I can't wait to see NG tomorrow night.

[mu8shark]

The interview only further proves that the Anthonys are in denial. Cindy seemed to pull her story about the club pics out of her ass. I can't wait to see NG tomorrow night. Pardon my speculating on Cindys ass, but she must have the sorest one in Orlando. She has been pulling stuff out of there daily. ;)

[One2Snoop]

LK should not do interviews he is so ill informed on. And Cindy lies and lies. LE released a description a few weeks ago!!! No they did not! Then she says she did not say something smells like a dead body, she only said something smells, thought better of it because he just played the F ing tape and said then tries to point out it was a figure of speech. So they are still going with the Nanny story. If LK had been on his feet, he could of pointed out , none of her story checked, out, not where she worked, not where she supposedly left the child, Jeff Hopkins is completely clueless and childless. Then she shows her true colors and is spiteful when she bashes Nancy Grace. I see where Casey gets her spitefulness. Then she says if people watched the local media they would get a different impression than on NG. (I am paraphrasing here) Really, really? So all these local articles that absolutely damn her daughter, are we concocting those? Where are the local media articles that give you a different impression than NG? And George, George who once had my pity,I only have contempt for him. He is so whipped. He goes in and tells the FBI you never forget that smell and then he says it was food and there was a pizza. I guess LE threw the pizza away in order to frame their reliable, responsible, truthful daughter. What a waste of time that was.! I can't wait to see NG response. It will not be pretty. The hell of it is is that LK was so ill informed and not prepared that he kind of aided them, at least if you are a viewer who is barely following the case or new to it. If you are following you know better. Nearly everything Cindy said was false. :flamemad::flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

You got it! :beer:

Post your thoughts on the LKL blog....

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/10/anthonys-we-wont-turn-our-back-on-caylee-2/

[One2Snoop]

LOL - from above link....

Daytona Beach December 10th, 2008 10:34 pm ET

Larry King = butt kisser

[mu8shark]

One of the things that caught my ear was when Cindy described "precious" as so full of fear that she was on the floor when the police got to the house. You know I think that most people who are innocent and have truly had their child kidnapped would find that odd. After a month of seriously looking for Caylee on her own (right...?) this would be like the calvary coming, would it not? LE is coming with their resources, their time and their know how. Finally maybe you will get a resolution. Why would she be so fearful of them before they had asked her a single question?? If her story was true and she could knows they could verify most of it or parts of it, why be so fearful. Well, one reason would be because she was contemplating going to jail for the rest of her life and thus her text message like a few days in, they are going to try and pin this on me. And also does anyone remember if Casey ever indicated to LE in any of her interviews that she had been threatened about the kidnapper killing Casey or harming her parents? I can't really recall her saying that at all , only that she thought she could handle it on her own. Unless they flew by in a plane and did something in skywriting, there was no call, no text, no note pinned to the car, nothing, so how did Casey come to this conclusion??In the jailhouse interview Cindy suggests it and then joila', Casey bites, yes , yes that is it, but she can't quite come up with anything concrete, so she says in her vague Casey way, Mom lets leave it at that. Boy if I was prosecuting this case, I would have hundreds of pages of notes with stuff like that.

[One2Snoop]

One of the things that caught my ear was when Cindy described "precious" as so full of fear that she was on the floor when the police got to the house. You know I think that most people who are innocent and have truly had their child kidnapped would find that odd. After a month of seriously looking for Caylee on her own (right...?) this would be like the calvary coming, would it not? LE is coming with their resources, their time and their know how. Finally maybe you will get a resolution. Why would she be so fearful of them before they had asked her a single question?? If her story was true and she could knows they could verify most of it or parts of it, why be so fearful. Well, one reason would be because she was contemplating going to jail for the rest of her life and thus her text message like a few days in, they are going to try and pin this on me. And also does anyone remember if Casey ever indicated to LE in any of her interviews that she had been threatened about the kidnapper killing Casey or harming her parents? I can't really recall her saying that at all , only that she thought she could handle it on her own. Unless they flew by in a plane and did something in skywriting, there was no call, no text, no note pinned to the car, nothing, so how did Casey come to this conclusion??In the jailhouse interview Cindy suggests it and then joila', Casey bites, yes , yes that is it, but she can't quite come up with anything concrete, so she says in her vague Casey way, Mom lets leave it at that. Boy if I was prosecuting this case, I would have hundreds of pages of notes with stuff like that.



Family Likely Threatened In Missing Girl Case, Grandmother Tells Nation
Mother Wants Out Of Jail To Help Investigators Find Missing Daughter

POSTED: 7:46 am EDT July 22, 2008
UPDATED: 1:37 pm EDT July 22, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- The grandmother of a girl missing for more than five weeks said her daughter has "her reasons" for not being 100 percent honest with police and believes the family is being threatened, during a nationally televised interview Tuesday.

"I think whoever has Caylee, either it is that person or that someone they are connected with (who) has threatened Casey's family in some way," grandmother Cindy Anthony told The Early Show's Lara Spencer. "That could be Casey's life, my life or George's life. It is not Casey who feels threatened because Casey would take her life for her own daughter."

Casey Anthony, 22, was taken into custody Wednesday after detectives determined her daughter had been missing since early June and was never reported missing.

"She has her reasons why she can't be completely honest with (investigators)," Anthony said. "She told them she was fearful to go to the police. I think Casey is frightened that somebody that she feels very, um, I think Casey is frightened for another person."

Cindy Anthony told Spencer she believes her daughter was betrayed by someone she trusted.

"I think Casey trusted her with the same person she has trusted her with for a long time and that person has betrayed her and has since then been threatening her and that is why she can't be 100 percent honest in everything that she is telling people," Anthony said.

"I don't believe my daughter is in danger," grandfather George Anthony said. "My granddaughter is the one who is in danger. She is not the one with us."

Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said investigators have made the process more difficult by taking Casey into custody when they did.

"My client told me that she does not know where Caylee is," Anthony family attorney Jose Baez said. "We are going to do everything we can to assist law enforcement in any way possible while still trying to protect my client's interest. I have to do my job here. They decided to arrest her at a certain point and launch criminal charges and that is what has made this communication a little more difficult."

http://www.local6.com/news/16950901/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Larry King Live Transcript is up. I started a new thread - enjoy! :tongue:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9144263#post9144263

[mu8shark]

Family Likely Threatened In Missing Girl Case, Grandmother Tells Nation
Mother Wants Out Of Jail To Help Investigators Find Missing Daughter

POSTED: 7:46 am EDT July 22, 2008
UPDATED: 1:37 pm EDT July 22, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- The grandmother of a girl missing for more than five weeks said her daughter has "her reasons" for not being 100 percent honest with police and believes the family is being threatened, during a nationally televised interview Tuesday.

"I think whoever has Caylee, either it is that person or that someone they are connected with (who) has threatened Casey's family in some way," grandmother Cindy Anthony told The Early Show's Lara Spencer. "That could be Casey's life, my life or George's life. It is not Casey who feels threatened because Casey would take her life for her own daughter."

Casey Anthony, 22, was taken into custody Wednesday after detectives determined her daughter had been missing since early June and was never reported missing.

"She has her reasons why she can't be completely honest with (investigators)," Anthony said. "She told them she was fearful to go to the police. I think Casey is frightened that somebody that she feels very, um, I think Casey is frightened for another person."

Cindy Anthony told Spencer she believes her daughter was betrayed by someone she trusted.

"I think Casey trusted her with the same person she has trusted her with for a long time and that person has betrayed her and has since then been threatening her and that is why she can't be 100 percent honest in everything that she is telling people," Anthony said.

"I don't believe my daughter is in danger," grandfather George Anthony said. "My granddaughter is the one who is in danger. She is not the one with us."

Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, said investigators have made the process more difficult by taking Casey into custody when they did.

"My client told me that she does not know where Caylee is," Anthony family attorney Jose Baez said. "We are going to do everything we can to assist law enforcement in any way possible while still trying to protect my client's interest. I have to do my job here. They decided to arrest her at a certain point and launch criminal charges and that is what has made this communication a little more difficult."

http://www.local6.com/news/16950901/detail.htmlBut in the interviews with LE, Casey never says her family or Caylee was threatened. Her reason is that naively she thought she could handle it. And when and now does she assert the kidnapper contacted her and told her not to tell or she would hurt Caylee or Casey's family.? My belief is she got this idea in the jailhouse interview when Cindy suggested it to her. Then Cindy took it and ran with it as an excuse why she never went to police. I would be curioius to see when those jail house tapes with Cindy suggesting that to her took place

[mu8shark]

Larry King Live Transcript is up. I started a new thread - enjoy! :tongue:

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9144263#post9144263
This link is giving me an error message Snoop

[One2Snoop]

This link is giving me an error message Snoop

Hmmm it links for me? :shrug: You can also access it by going to the Caylee Anthony index page - the thread will be the one just below this one.

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys lawyer speaks out

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8045906&version=1&locale=EN-US

Baez says he only asked for one specific tip - not the 2 cd's that LE compiled for him. WTH?

Also, the resturant in California gave the name of the family the little girl was with to the Anthony's. Again, WTH? :eek:

[mu8shark]

"Cindy says. Inside that bag was garbage. It really was. It was pizza. I mean, I've seen it. I know what was in there. " End quote This is a really big lie. In both George and the tow yard manager's interview both say the two of them went to the car without Cindy and the tow yard guy threw the trash bag into the dumpster. LE retrieved it and took it to the Forensics Bay and opened it up. At what possible point could Cindy have seen the pizza box and what was in there. Unless she asserts she came back and climbed into the dumpster or snuck into the Forensics Bay with detectives, this is a whopper of a lie and this kind of s h i you know what is going to come back to bite her. I hope prosecutors are pouring over every word she says in case she tries to testify with any credibility. SHE COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THAT TRASH BAG.

[mu8shark]

Anthonys lawyer speaks out

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8045906&version=1&locale=EN-US

Baez says he only asked for one specific tip - not the 2 cd's that LE compiled for him. WTH?

Also, the resturant in California gave the name of the family the little girl was with to the Anthony's. Again, WTH? :eek:One of the things I noticed in the article that made the couple supposedly suspicious was that the little girl was speaking English when the others were speaking Spanish. Is it outside the possibility of reality that a little hispanic girl going to school has an English speaking friend? I mean , really! Also Jose should get off his lazy ass and go get those tapes and find the damn tip. Does he want LE to butter his bread too?

[One2Snoop]

"Cindy says. Inside that bag was garbage. It really was. It was pizza. I mean, I've seen it. I know what was in there. " End quote This is a really big lie. In both George and the tow yard manager's interview both say the two of them went to the car without Cindy and the tow yard guy threw the trash bag into the dumpster. LE retrieved it and took it to the Forensics Bay and opened it up. At what possible point could Cindy have seen the pizza box and what was in there. Unless she asserts she came back and climbed into the dumpster or snuck into the Forensics Bay with detectives, this is a whopper of a lie and this kind of s h i you know what is going to come back to bite her. I hope prosecutors are pouring over every word she says in case she tries to testify with any credibility. SHE COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THAT TRASH BAG.

Both Cindy and George certainly told their share of lies tonight - Good catch mu8. :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

"Cindy says. Inside that bag was garbage. It really was. It was pizza. I mean, I've seen it. I know what was in there. " End quote This is a really big lie. In both George and the tow yard manager's interview both say the two of them went to the car without Cindy and the tow yard guy threw the trash bag into the dumpster. LE retrieved it and took it to the Forensics Bay and opened it up. At what possible point could Cindy have seen the pizza box and what was in there. Unless she asserts she came back and climbed into the dumpster or snuck into the Forensics Bay with detectives, this is a whopper of a lie and this kind of s h i you know what is going to come back to bite her. I hope prosecutors are pouring over every word she says in case she tries to testify with any credibility. SHE COULD NOT HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THAT TRASH BAG.

Cindy has insisted for some time that there was pizza in the bag even though she wasn't at the tow yard. She can run her mouth until it harelips every cow in Texas and all it's going to do is convince people that a) she's insane, b) she'd rather lie than eat, and/or c) she had contact with that car before she corralled Casey and called LE.

[One2Snoop]

I still can't get over Cindy saying the info on the nanny was released. Uhhhh Cindy where is that info and description again about the nanny?
And then she couldn't even answer Kings question about why someone would take Caylee.

CINDY ANTHONY: I think she's -- I think she was frightened. I think, from what we understand, that, you know, there's been threats to not only Caylee's well-being, but also to our family's well-being.

KING: By?

CINDY ANTHONY: By the people that have Caylee.

KING: You think Caylee was taken. Your daughter obviously knew she was taken.

CINDY ANTHONY: Um-hmm.

KING: For what purpose?

CINDY ANTHONY: You know, I'm still trying to sort that out. You know, the person that originally has her or had her, we've had three or four different sightings with the same description that Casey released -- that they finally released on this person. And the Zenaida that the police department tracked down was one out of thousands that Casey said right from the beginning was not the correct person.

They just now released, within a couple of weeks ago, the actual description of the baby-sitter. And we've had three -- that I'm aware of -- tips that have come in since June of people who described this person to a tee that had Caylee.

[One2Snoop]

Does the prosecution have to prove motive? :confused:


KING: Did they ever look at why a mother would kill her daughter?

I mean, did anyone ever question motive?

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. There is no motive and they haven't found a motive. They even said they haven't found a motive. They -- they told us they thought it was an accident and she's scared and she's trying to cover it up.

KING: Killed her by accident and then...

CINDY ANTHONY: Right.

KING: ...buried her or something.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right, they don't feel there's the motive.

[mu8shark]

I still can't get over Cindy saying the info on the nanny was released. Uhhhh Cindy where is that info and description again about the nanny?
And then she couldn't even answer Kings question about why someone would take Caylee.

CINDY ANTHONY: I think she's -- I think she was frightened. I think, from what we understand, that, you know, there's been threats to not only Caylee's well-being, but also to our family's well-being.

KING: By?

CINDY ANTHONY: By the people that have Caylee.

KING: You think Caylee was taken. Your daughter obviously knew she was taken.

CINDY ANTHONY: Um-hmm.

KING: For what purpose?

CINDY ANTHONY: You know, I'm still trying to sort that out. You know, the person that originally has her or had her, we've had three or four different sightings with the same description that Casey released -- that they finally released on this person. And the Zenaida that the police department tracked down was one out of thousands that Casey said right from the beginning was not the correct person.

They just now released, within a couple of weeks ago, the actual description of the baby-sitter. And we've had three -- that I'm aware of -- tips that have come in since June of people who described this person to a tee that had Caylee.
Oh yeah about that description which was made by the paragon of truth, Casey , 5'7 brown hair, brown eyes, wears her hair curly/wavy and straight and has a little more meat on her bones than Casey and a lot of money , I jokingly said I thought she was describing Catherine Zeta Jones, so with that description it could be like what millions of women?? Crazy , crazy , looney tunes.

[mu8shark]

Does the prosecution have to prove motive? :confused:


KING: Did they ever look at why a mother would kill her daughter?

I mean, did anyone ever question motive?

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. There is no motive and they haven't found a motive. They even said they haven't found a motive. They -- they told us they thought it was an accident and she's scared and she's trying to cover it up.

KING: Killed her by accident and then...

CINDY ANTHONY: Right.

KING: ...buried her or something.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right, they don't feel there's the motive. Well no they don't have to prove motive, but she is kind of fudging on that as well, a while back there was an article and a blurb on Nancy Grace that LE had come up with a motive. She wanted to go to Puerto Rico and could not go because of Caylee and it prompted her to get tired of Mommy duty. LE never told her they did not feel there was a motive nor did they ever publicly say that, so where the hell did Cindy get that? Loretta you are right, Cindy would rather lie than eat.

[mu8shark]

Cindy has insisted for some time that there was pizza in the bag even though she wasn't at the tow yard. She can run her mouth until it harelips every cow in Texas and all it's going to do is convince people that a) she's insane, b) she'd rather lie than eat, and/or c) she had contact with that car before she corralled Casey and called LE.Okay Loretta, I have to leave you with one final thought tonight, if Cindy would rather lie than eat, does this mean she has gone from having a piehole to a liehole? LOL!

[lorettalockhorn]

okay loretta, i have to leave you with one final thought tonight, if cindy would rather lie than eat, does this mean she has gone from having a piehole to a liehole? Lol!

bwaahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mac]

If Cindy keeps up the lying the way she does........can LE try to shut her up?

There has to be something that can be done to stop all these lies!!. If you went through the blogs on LKL, maybe 10 people were playing along with the ANthonys, the rest were attacking them like Hyenas at a zebra kill.

We all know she is lying and trying to sway public opinion....that being said...is there any law out there that can be used against her?

anyone???

:flamemad::flamemad:

[TLC]

In reference to the comment about LP on the previous page- I agree- I believe he stated on NG once that he told casey he would see her in prison, right after she tossed him out. As for Kobe, I don't think he will be part of the case in the end. I think Baez hired him for show, like Henry Lee-"see we're telling the truth we have well know experts etc etc" and in the end they either 1. can't afford him or 2. KNOW what he will find and they can't let him tell the truth. He has so far not traveled to Fl even though he has indicated he is ready. I think, they put him on retainer for show but can't afford in many ways to actually use him.

[Gatordog]

That could be as well. Here is one thing I have figured out about Leonard. He is one of those guys that does not like to get burned. And in his eyes , Casey burned him, made him look stupid and he is out to make sure she goes down. Part of his motive may be showmanship and publicity but part of it is revenge. If he can make sure she is good and caught and put away , he will go the ends of the earth to do and if it brings the truth about what happened to Caylee in the process, all the better.

Agree 100 percent.

[Gatordog]

I kind of wonder if Casey might want to go on the stand. In some of these cases, these kind of personalities who think they are good liars, just insist on it. In the Tom Capano trial, he had to go on the stand, his attorneys were firm against it and he had to do it. He went on the stand and doomed himself. There have been other cases where these personalities who think they are smart and charming insist on it and Baez can't stop it if she insists. And I wonder if he is not a little bamboozled by her. If he truly believes her story, then he may believe everyone else will as well. I just don't think he is a very smart or capable lawyer. At some of the earlier hearings, he lost a motion because he was not aware of proper procedure, press people have described him as being looking overwhelmed. If he had her best interest at heart, he would get a much more experienced attorney.But George is right, he wants the press.

I think Baez has been an attorney for just three years. I think he had one murder case which was pled out.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Well she is right about that, all this waiting is going to kill the defense at trial. The prosecutor will point out how long it took them to get moving. And if you thought it was a live Caylee you would issue a subpoena the next day, the first day the mall denied you the videotapes. The guy on NG is right as an officer of the court he ought to know this and not spend so much time getting face time on tv.

I don't fault the mall at all for not turning over any video without a subpeona. It's not hard to get a subpeona. Where would the mall be if it turned over, just on request, a video tape which contained a woman shopper who was hiding from an abusive exhusband and the ex is the one who wanted to see the tape? He would then have confirmation of the location where she was living or working.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Two thoughts I have been thinking. One, why didn't Casey just go bury or dump the body as soon as possible. Why did she wait so long to get rid of the body, especially once it started to smell. If she had done it right away(and thank god she didn't) there would be no real reason to scrutinize that trunk so closely. I am not saying they would not look in there but that smell boy did that cause her problems. I just wonder if she was so lazy and so wrapped up in partying and her boyfriend she put it off, out of sight, out of mind. And the other thing I was thinking about was if someone else was in jail charged with killing Caylee with evidence they have , no way would the grandparents be on this she's alive crusade. In fact I have never heard of a case where the police arrested someone and the family crusaded so vehemently to say you have the wrong guy, our loved one is alive. I know that might be a no brainer but it is kind of interesting .

The only thing I can think of is that she did want to put the body in Blanchard Park. That's why she was there on the 17th but couldn't put her in the river then because too many people were in the park. Due to the murder on June 11th, the police were combing the park for evidence for over one week. She had to wait until things quieted down before she could go back and put the body in the river.

[Gatordog]

Zenaida sure does get around, doesn't she?

She doesn't run out of gas! Especially with it at $1.60 now, she's all over the country in that little Ford Focus. :D

[Gatordog]

Now LArry king states that she was arrested for child neglect and others....


What about the pictures taken???? Cindy says they were all staged photos!!!!

George just committed perjury...he says the garbage is the cause of the smell......He told the FBI it was Decomposition

George could barely talk. Lying doesn't come as easily to him as it does his wife and daughter. He looked thoroughly ashamed at that the bs Cindy was throwing.

[Gatordog]

King never asked them a pertinent question......this interview was staged for ratings.....and it is going to piss a lot of people off. George committs perjury, cindi lies about the photos, And the Host mever brings up anything about the lies, the DNA evidence, The fact she wasn't wroking....nothing.

I AM PISSED:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

Mac, don't be pissed - think of the DA's questions.

Mr. Anthony didn't you tell the police xyz? And then you told the FBI abc regarding the same issue and then you told Larry King lmn, and now you are telling us stu, well, which story are we expected to believe as the truth? Do you have one you would like to stick with for today? Seems to me that the the truth was told in the beginning before all this protection of Casey started.

[Gatordog]

G&C are both lying like big dogs. LE had their minds made up.

There was only one party photo of Casey after the 16th. (And it was staged; Casey should have been paid for it.)

The odor was garbage.

C'mon Lar, slap the peewaddle&doo out of those two!

Gosh, if George swears to this new reality in court, will he be charged with lying to LE during the investigation?

Why insult a dog by comparing it to these two? ;)

[Gatordog]

Does the prosecution have to prove motive? :confused:


KING: Did they ever look at why a mother would kill her daughter?

I mean, did anyone ever question motive?

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. There is no motive and they haven't found a motive. They even said they haven't found a motive. They -- they told us they thought it was an accident and she's scared and she's trying to cover it up.

KING: Killed her by accident and then...

CINDY ANTHONY: Right.

KING: ...buried her or something.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right, they don't feel there's the motive.

Since when does LE and the State's Attorney sit with the killer's family and tell them their strategy to prosecute their daughter and find her guilty of murder? The victim might be their granddaughter so this is a tough situation. But the family has proven to be more concerned with Casey's well being than with burying little Caylee. The DA is not going to tell them Casey's motives if they haven't figured it out themselves - she wanted to party and be Mrs. Lazarro and Mr. Lazarro said he hoped only to have boys and not girls.

[Gatordog]

Baez was on the local news explaining why he hadn't picked up the tip disk that was prepared for him.

He said " he only wanted legitimate sightings and not the psychic tips" from the police. Well, Mr. Baez, it's all or nothing. You cannot have the police doing your work. You need to weed threw those tips yourself so you can determine what is a legitimate sighting. As far as the police are concerned, there isn't one legitimate sighting because the child is dead. So, get your butt down to pick up that disk and look at it yourself because LE is not going to provide you with your defense. You are not going to be able to accuse the police of picking and choosing what tips to give you and then accuse them of holding back evidence. Shame on you. :no:

Also Mr. Baez, don't ask the court have the tax payers pay for your client's expert witnesses or evidence. I don't want to pay for her defense. Tell Mommy and Daddy to sell their cars, sell their house and GO BACK TO WORK! Tell Mommy to sell her engagement ring and pay for that disk if it's so important to their daughter's defense or to find their grandchild.

Gator

[TLC]

Anybody know about the hearing today? Is it on line? or what time?

edited to add- it's already taken place apparently. Nothing new.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony team focuses on Caylee tips, venue change
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
December 11, 2008

Oversized media trucks are jockeying for position in front of the Orange County Courthouse again.

That's a sign the Casey Anthony case is back in court today.

A status hearing -- expected to last about 10 minutes -- is scheduled at 9 a.m. before Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland. No motions are to be addressed.

Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez has spoken several times this week about change-of-venue issues because of the media coverage, and plans to file a motion about it.

"We have done extensive research -- that's why the motion has not been filed yet," Baez said Wednesday at a news conference outside his Kissimmee office. "We want to be able to analyze the coverage in all the media markets in the state of Florida . . . We are compiling it together and preparing our motion."

The case has received intense coverage since Anthony's daughter, Caylee Marie, was reported missing in mid-July. Though her body has not been found, Casey Anthony, 22, is charged in her death. Her family continues to say Caylee Marie is alive and wants the Orange County Sheriff's Office to release reports of possible Caylee sightings for follow-up.

They made that claim again Wednesday night on CNN's Larry King Live, which exposed no new revelations about the case.

"I can with 100 percent of my being say that Casey had nothing to do with Caylee's disappearance," Cindy Anthony told host Larry King but offered no proof.

At the news conference, Baez addressed reports that he has not picked up a CD of tips prepared by the Sheriff's Office. Several months ago, he asked the judge to force the Sheriff's Office to turn over the tips.

Orange County Sheriff's Capt. Angelo Nieves said the request -- ready a month ago -- cost $980, and took an employee a week to put together.

Baez said he has been communicating with the Sheriff's Office legal department to clarify what type of tips -- Caylee sightings and not psychic reports -- he seeks.

As part of the Anthonys' search for Caylee, Baez is pushing for surveillance videos from the Florida Mall, where there was a possible Caylee sighting Nov. 16. Baez recently filed in court a request that asks for a standing order to obtain video footage of "any possible sightings of Caylee Marie Anthony."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey1108dec11,0,3544819.story

[One2Snoop]

Computer Password Used As Code In Casey Anthony Jail Conversation

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Local 6 News continues its investigation into the Casey Anthony case as reporter Tony Pipitone deciphers the words and figures she used to communicate with her family from jail.

In a jailhouse visit in July, Lee Anthony, Casey Anthony's brother, seemingly played the role of family detective, but she did not offer much information until he mentioned computer passwords.

"Any meaning behind the passwords that would be clues to any of this?" Lee Anthony asked.

"Yes," Casey Anthony replied.

"Does that include the MySpace sign-in passwords as well as the computer passwords?" Lee Anthony said.

"The computer passwords, no. MySpace and Facebook, yes," Casey Anthony said.

"All right, so there is meaning behind those?" Lee Anthony said.

"Yes," Casey Anthony said.

"Password for that is?" Lee Anthony asked.

"Cays234," Casey Anthony said.

But less than an hour later, Casey Anthony gave her mother, Cindy Anthony, a different answer.

"I don't know your MySpace password," Cindy Anthony said.

"Facebook account (is) timer55 (and the) password is the same as my MySpace," Casey Anthony said.

"I'll let you elaborate if you want to. If not, it's OK," Lee Anthony said.

"Move on to something else. We'll cover that by other means," Casey Anthony said.

The siblings met again in a jailhouse visit three days later, and Casey Anthony communicated with her brother via her attorney, Jose Baez.

"Do you got anything for me outside of what I've already heard?" Lee Anthony said.

"Did you guys get my messages from Jose?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Yes," Lee Anthony said.

"That's where I'm leaving it , so," Casey Anthony said.

Two days later, on July 30, Cindy Anthony told the FBI that she had figured out her daughter's password code for timer55.

"She told Lee the other day timer55 means that she has 55 days," Cindy Anthony said.

"Fifty-five days from when, as Casey now claimed, mystery baby sitter Zenaida Gonzalez and her sister threw her down in Blanchard Park and took Caylee to teach her a lesson," Pipitone said.

"Fifty-five days to Caylee's birthday, and she said Caylee would be returned on her birthday," Cindy Anthony said.

Caylee's birthday is Aug. 9, which is 55 days after June 16, the day Casey Anthony was last seen with Caylee.

"And that, at least according to Cindy, was the code in Casey's password," Pipitone said.

http://www.local6.com/news/18247736/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys Defend Casey On National TV Show
Thursday, December 11, 2008 – updated: 9:18 am EST December 11, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Cindy and George Anthony appeared on CNN's Larry King Live Wednesday night, but offered very little new information.

"It's come up for nothing. There is nothing they have found that has given them any evidence that Caylee is no longer with us," said Cindy.

The Anthonys said they are trying to keep the search for their granddaughter Caylee as the main focus. However, the couple defended their daughter Casey in front of a national audience. Despite Casey being charged with murdering her own daughter, Cindy didn't have a problem defending her.

"Casey has done nothing to her daughter. There is no evidence that shows that," Cindy said. "I can with 100 percent of my being say that I believe that Casey had nothing to do with Caylee's disappearance."

George Anthony originally told the FBI that he recognized the unmistakable smell of a decomposing body, but his story has changed.

"Inside that bag was garbage. There really was pizza, I seen it and I know what was in there," George said to Larry King.

The Anthonys say they are focusing on the alleged Caylee sightings and claim the most recent was Wednesday in Tennessee inside of a grocery store.

"My investigator has already spoken with the Tennessee authorities and the tipster and we are just waiting to see if there is any video in the store," Cindy said.

George and Cindy also spoke out against law enforcement.

"I wanted them to put out an Amber Alert for my granddaughter, which they never did. They never contacted the FBI and I wanted them to," George said.


PRE-TRIAL HEARING TO BEGIN THURSDAY

Thursday morning, Casey Anthony's legal team, as well as the prosecutors, are at the Orange County courthouse for a pre-trial hearing. The session, which started at 9:00am, will involve a possible date change for Casey's first-degree murder trial.

Presently, her trial is set to start on January 5.

The pretrial hearing is only expected to last a few minutes and Casey is not expected to appear.


BAEZ WANTS DETECTIVES INVESTIGATED

Jose Baez wants to investigate detectives from the Orange County Sheriff's Office. Wednesday, Baez sent someone to the sheriff's office to get the personnel files of detectives John Allen and Yuri Melich.

However, he didn't pick up the list of 1,800 Caylee sightings that he requested over a month ago. Despite all the evidence, the Anthonys insist Caylee is alive.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18251770/detail.html

[joekuhl79]

King never asked them a pertinent question......this interview was staged for ratings.....and it is going to piss a lot of people off. George committs perjury, cindi lies about the photos, And the Host mever brings up anything about the lies, the DNA evidence, The fact she wasn't wroking....nothing.

I AM PISSED:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:


Wow...I was pissed that I missed it last night...now I'm glad I didn't wate my time!!

SUCKERS!

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony Trial Delayed Until March
Defense Waives Right To Speedy Trial

POSTED: 6:27 am EST December 11, 2008
UPDATED: 10:18 am EST December 11, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A judge agreed Thursday to delay Casey Anthony trial on murder charges until March.

Judge Stan Strickland’s decision came during a 5-minute pretrial hearing. Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, made the request.

The request to waive Anthony’s right to speedy trial was expected. Baez said earlier this week he is researching locations where Anthony would get a fair trial, in case he wants to request a change of venue because of pretrial publicity.

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder of her daughter, Caylee, who was 2 years old when she was reported missing in July.

The trial was slated to begin on Jan. 5. Strickland is expected to continue to preside over the case despite being moved to the court's civil division in January.

Baez held a news conference at his Kissimmee office on Wednesday and defended his decision not to pick up records from the Orange County Sheriff's Office of tips called in by the public in the search for Caylee.

"I'm not interested in psychic sightings. I'm not interested in law enforcement suggestions. I'm interested in tips related to the sightings of Caylee Marie Anthony and nothing more," Baez said.

The hearing will begin at 9 a.m. Anthony is not expected to attend.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18251772/detail.html

[TLC]

body found. Cnn breaking news

[TLC]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18253946/detail.html

http://www.wesh.com/video/16128463/index.html

[TLC]

http://www.local6.com/news/18253078/detail.html

[Mac]

. Remains Of Young Child Found Near Anthony Home
Thursday, December 11, 2008 – updated: 11:07 am EST December 11, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The remains of a young child have been located in east Orange County less than a half-mile from Casey Anthony's parents' home, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Eyewitness News has learned an Orange County water meter reader discovered a bag in the area of Chickasaw Trail and Suburban Drive (see map), around three-tenths of a mile from the Anthonys' home (map from location to Anthonys' home).


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According to information obtained by Eyewitness News, when the meter reader picked up the bag a skull fell out. The Orange County Sheriff's Office has confirmed to Eyewitness News that the body is a young child.

"We are assuming they are the remains of a victim," said Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons.

It is not clear at this point whether the body could be Caylee Anthony.

"We know we have a recent discovery. We have investigators on the scene. We need to determine what we have," said Solomons.

Reports from the scene say deputies have set up a perimeter near a small retention pond.

[joekuhl79]

body found. Cnn breaking news

Wow! Speechless...

Watching live on WFTV...


http://www.wftv.com/video/18252959/index.html

[Mac]

Remains Of Young Child Found Near Anthony Home
Thursday, December 11, 2008 – updated: 11:07 am EST December 11, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The remains of a young child have been located in east Orange County less than a half-mile from Casey Anthony's parents' home, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.

Eyewitness News has learned an Orange County water meter reader discovered a bag in the area of Chickasaw Trail and Suburban Drive (see map), around three-tenths of a mile from the Anthonys' home (map from location to Anthonys' home).


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According to information obtained by Eyewitness News, when the meter reader picked up the bag a skull fell out. The Orange County Sheriff's Office has confirmed to Eyewitness News that the body is a young child.

"We are assuming they are the remains of a victim," said Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons.

It is not clear at this point whether the body could be Caylee Anthony.

"We know we have a recent discovery. We have investigators on the scene. We need to determine what we have," said Solomons.

Reports from the scene say deputies have set up a perimeter near a small retention pond.

[Gatordog]

:rose:According to information obtained by Eyewitness News, when the meter reader picked up the bag a skull fell out. The Orange County Sheriff's Office has confirmed to Eyewitness News that the body is a young child.

"We are assuming they are the remains of a victim," said Orange County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Solomons.

It is not clear at this point whether the body could be Caylee Anthony.

"We know we have a recent discovery. We have investigators on the scene. We need to determine what we have," said Solomons.

Reports from the scene say deputies have set up a perimeter near a small retention pond. Eyewitness News report Kathi Belich said sources told her they were taking this very seriously and would expedite DNA test to determine if the remains were indeed Caylee's.

Tim Miller, founder of the Texas-based search group Equusearch, said he had been called by law enforcement officials and told they believed they had found Caylee Anthony.

"The words were, 'Tim, it looks like we got her,'" said Miller. "I'm surprised. It was one of them cases I thought would have never been found… I thought the best thing that would ever happen is that one day we could go to a funeral and say good-bye to this little girl… and it looks like that will happen."

"I'm just overcome with emotion and grief right now," said bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who has been a major part of search efforts to find Caylee's body.

[Gatordog]

http://www.local6.com/video/14013179/index.html

[Mac]

WE"VE GOT HER............


Channel 9

[Gatordog]

Body was found near Hidden Oaks Elementary School - one of the first places they searched due to a tip from one of Casey's friends.

[One2Snoop]

HOLY CHIT! I leave for 20 minutes and WOW! :eek:

[One2Snoop]

And Tim Miller is confirming it! :eek:

[Mac]

Body was found near Hidden Oaks Elementary School - one of the first places they searched due to a tip from one of Casey's friends.


How the hell could they have missed it???!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you are right....this is one of the first areas searched

[One2Snoop]

Casey did say she was close to home!

RIP little Caylee. :rose:

[Woostock]

I thought they had searched that area??? I hope and pray it is the body, sad as that is, it will bring justice for Caylee.

[Mac]

AS PER CHANNEL 9 NEWS

We have notified the Anthony's and the Department of Corrections

[joekuhl79]

Body was found near Hidden Oaks Elementary School - one of the first places they searched due to a tip from one of Casey's friends.

One of Caseys friends from school said that used to be the hangout...


ALSO, sheriffs office spokesman is not saying anything other than what we have already heard...don't want to jump the gun or mess anything up...

[Mac]

Casey did say she was close to home!

RIP little Caylee. :rose:



damn what an evil *****:flamemad::flamemad:

[One2Snoop]

I wonder if Casey moved the body to this area after it was searched?

[joekuhl79]

F-ing weather!!!!

[beachbum]

I heard that George and Cindy are in California chasing a dream of finding Caylee-someone thought they saw her at a restaurant. They were on Larry King last night still giving the same old bull crap. Looks like they should have been in their own neighborhood. Lets hope for closure in this case.

[Woostock]

When would Casey have had the time to move the body there after it had been searched?

[One2Snoop]

When would Casey have had the time to move the body there after it had been searched?

True - not thinking straight. :hat: