Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Not Findable?
Monday, December 01, 2008 6:47:49 PM

ORLANDO -- The search for Caylee Anthony hits a stumbling block.

The founder of Texas EquuSearch, a group that's been searching for the little girl, said the toddler may never be found.

Tim Miller told News 13 said the group has found more nearly 400 missing people both alive and dead. However, some can’t be located.

He said despite massive search efforts, Caylee could become one they don't find.

"I think, unfortunately, that Caylee is going to be one in the very near future that's going to moved from our front page to our missing persons page,” Miller said. “She's going to be one that's unfortunately not going to be findable."

Miller said some good will come out of the Caylee search. It's created a network of volunteers in Central Florida who will be trained and ready to help future missing persons.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/1/caylee_not_findable.html

[sharlock]

Thanks for the links - I've been reading in between interuptions for the past 45 minutes - Oh my, but in all honesty none of it surprises me in the least.

Oh the hacking claim - ROFLMAO. :rolleyes: Maybe it was to many meds or alcohol or a combo of both? :no:
I have thought that Cindy isn't lying and that she didn't send the last emails herself BUT a fed up family member culd have accessed them sent them anywhere and resent? Just a thought?

[One2Snoop]

Tonight on NG I heard that the LE is done responding to sightings. It was said that they have spent enough money doing this and that they have decided there is enough evidence to prove the child is dead, so they are treating the case as such. I guess you all knew that. Nancy Grace certainly doesn't hold back that opinion.

Do I have permission to give my opinion of George? If I get banned, I'll say goodbye now and also, thanks for the pleasure of meeting everyone here.

I think George is a dolt, er a henpecked dolt.


Goodnight everyone
:seeya:

LOL - you won't get banned for saying that. Sweet Dreams. http://i34.tinypic.com/35by3xg.gif

[sharlock]

RUMOR!!!
I feel sick! Really ill, someone on Murst site claimed that Lee led LE to Caylees body today. Another poster from a different forum read this but has been unable to get any confirmation as the site is changing from ustream to different vid link.
If this is someones idea of a joke it is sick, but if it's not... Well my stomach is doing little flips and I am impatient for some real news to come out!
Check it out.
*RUMOR* This was posted on Murt's site. Interesting....

11:08 heybuddy : 12.1.2008 - 3:19 PMRumors...I've heard that Lee has given LE the location of Caylee's body and that Tim Miller has found her.Police are also waiting on DNA results to confirm that what was found was Caylee.I am not able to confirm any of this, and if I did, I would have posted it and closed this case

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=13437a0cc1d0249bf0b624e490fa9b b9&topic=4198.msg563626#new

[One2Snoop]

RUMOR!!!
I feel sick! Really ill, someone on Murst site claimed that Lee led LE to Caylees body today. Another poster from a different forum read this but has been unable to get any confirmation as the site is changing from ustream to different vid link.
If this is someones idea of a joke it is sick, but if it's not... Well my stomach is doing little flips and I am impatient for some real news to come out!
Check it out.
*RUMOR* This was posted on Murt's site. Interesting....

11:08 heybuddy : 12.1.2008 - 3:19 PMRumors...I've heard that Lee has given LE the location of Caylee's body and that Tim Miller has found her.Police are also waiting on DNA results to confirm that what was found was Caylee.I am not able to confirm any of this, and if I did, I would have posted it and closed this case

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=13437a0cc1d0249bf0b624e490fa9b b9&topic=4198.msg563626#new

With all thats gone down with Murt I have a hard time believing anything that comes out of his site or his mouth for that matter - :rolleyes: fake suicide etc...

Anyhow, keep us posted and pardon my skepticism. I'm not jumping on the excited something truthful is happening bandwagon just yet without more concrete evidence.

[One2Snoop]

RUMOR!!!
I feel sick! Really ill, someone on Murst site claimed that Lee led LE to Caylees body today. Another poster from a different forum read this but has been unable to get any confirmation as the site is changing from ustream to different vid link.
If this is someones idea of a joke it is sick, but if it's not... Well my stomach is doing little flips and I am impatient for some real news to come out!
Check it out.
*RUMOR* This was posted on Murt's site. Interesting....

11:08 heybuddy : 12.1.2008 - 3:19 PMRumors...I've heard that Lee has given LE the location of Caylee's body and that Tim Miller has found her.Police are also waiting on DNA results to confirm that what was found was Caylee.I am not able to confirm any of this, and if I did, I would have posted it and closed this case

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=13437a0cc1d0249bf0b624e490fa9b b9&topic=4198.msg563626#new

With all thats gone down with Murt I have a hard time believing anything that comes out of his site or his mouth for that matter - :rolleyes: fake suicide etc...

Anyhow, keep us posted and pardon my skepticism. I'm not jumping on the excited something truthful is happening bandwagon just yet without more concrete evidence.

I just want to clarify - I'm not shooting the messenger (sharlock) but there's been so many lies and alot of drama coming out of the Murt camp I have a hard time believing anything from his site.

We've all had the same feelings about Cindy - she's told alot of lies with maybe a bit of truth sprinkled in here and there AKA Casey.

We need to focus on finding Caylee - alive or not. JMO.
:mad:

[sharlock]

I just want to clarify - I'm not shooting the messenger (sharlock) but there's been so many lies and alot of drama coming out of the Murt camp I have a hard time believing anything from his site.

We've all had the same feelings about Cindy - she's told alot of lies with maybe a bit of truth sprinkled in here and there AKA Casey.

We need to focus on finding Caylee - alive or not. JMO.
:mad:
I agree that it may not be reliable but that someone would even suggest it gets my heart racing. I think I could end up feeling very sorry for myself when nothing comes of it, it's cruel when you think of how many people are affected by Caylee's plight for people to spread lies... I just hope this isn't one of those times.

[sharlock]

With all thats gone down with Murt I have a hard time believing anything that comes out of his site or his mouth for that matter - :rolleyes: fake suicide etc...

Anyhow, keep us posted and pardon my skepticism. I'm not jumping on the excited something truthful is happening bandwagon just yet without more concrete evidence.

Can you tell me aout the fake suicide I missed that one.

[Mac]

i googled and found a site that had video's of the interviews with the Anthonys. There are 11 parts. I only watched the first one when Cindy was interviewed and she did most of the talking. 2 investigators allowed her to go on and on and digress continuously. It's over ten minutes long, but I white knuckled it to the end. The most interesting part for me, was when the officer began to speak, Cindy started turning the pages of her book of records on the table in front of her. This body language clearly exposes her refusal to listen to what the man was saying regarding Casey's behavior through out this case. It was still early in the case, I believe it was August and she was already talking over the police and wouldn't let them get a word in.

If anyone has ten minutes to spare check it out. (If you haven't seen it already) I'm always a step behind you guys.

:seeya: It's NG time!


I watchedthe whole thing and was amazed that I got through it. She tried to take control of the entire line of examination.

I love it when she said "Zanny was generic for babysitter"

She thought that it was Amy or Jesse that were involved....everyone but Casey.

And of course Casey MUST have a reason to not tell police the truth...she is trying to protect the family and her baby.......what a load of crock!!

[Mac]

I have thought that Cindy isn't lying and that she didn't send the last emails herself BUT a fed up family member culd have accessed them sent them anywhere and resent? Just a thought?

But a good though....Perhaps the brother??

According to the emails relesaed Cindy's brother has had it with Cindy and Casey.....maybe he got in????

[TLC]

I gave up on the Murt sight when the hacking stuff started - that place is nuts. I don't understand something - if anyone has info. George was seen driving alone on thanksgiving with his billboard, Cindy says they were hacked while away on T day - which is it? Were they away or not? Also- if only Cindy was away - could George have made a stop somewhere and maybe emailed? He would have the password. IMO he may be rebelling a little bit?

[Mac]

I agree that it may not be reliable but that someone would even suggest it gets my heart racing. I think I could end up feeling very sorry for myself when nothing comes of it, it's cruel when you think of how many people are affected by Caylee's plight for people to spread lies... I just hope this isn't one of those times.


I agree with you...it seems like a rumor and nothing else. Like most of what comes out of that site

[Mac]

I gave up on the Murt sight when the hacking stuff started - that place is nuts. I don't understand something - if anyone has info. George was seen driving alone on thanksgiving with his billboard, Cindy says they were hacked while away on T day - which is it? Were they away or not? Also- if only Cindy was away - could George have made a stop somewhere and maybe emailed? He would have the password. IMO he may be rebelling a little bit?


I have a hard time seeing George doing anything that might go against Queen Cindy's wishes. He doesnt have the stomach to cross her. Even in the FBI interview, he states that he knows Cindy gave them a hard time and that she is a strong woman, but when can he do...he loves her!

My money is still on Cindy's brother, or perhaps Cindy is trying to pull the attention away from Casey, as she has always done

[lorettalockhorn]

With all thats gone down with Murt I have a hard time believing anything that comes out of his site or his mouth for that matter - :rolleyes: fake suicide etc...

Anyhow, keep us posted and pardon my skepticism. I'm not jumping on the excited something truthful is happening bandwagon just yet without more concrete evidence.

Always happy to see that people are suspicious of Murt. You know, speaking of the fake suicide; Murt was hacked too. :rolleyes: Seems to happen to a lot of people when they get backed into a corner.

Heeeeeelllllllllloooooooo Emigres! :seeya:

[TLC]

Cindy should hire Murt to do her PR.:D

[lorettalockhorn]

If someone that Cindy voluntarily gave her password to used her account, I wouldn't label that as hacking.

Gosh, I see "I was hacked" so often. Wonder how often it actually happens.

[sharlock]

But a good thought....Perhaps the brother??

According to the emails released Cindy's brother has had it with Cindy and Casey.....maybe he got in????
I don't know the emails were set from Ocala but they could have been cloaked to appear that way. The IP address that was given showed MarkMonitor which is a phishing protect site then says embarq.com which is a high speed internet service, so it shouldn't be too hard to find out for sure, the FBI would be all over it imo.
Oh, also during the FBI interviews Cindy tells them what she usually would use for passwords, the kids name her old dogs name etc. so I don't guess it would've been that hard for them to do.:rolleyes:

[sharlock]

I watchedthe whole thing and was amazed that I got through it. She tried to take control of the entire line of examination.

I love it when she said "Zanny was generic for babysitter"

She thought that it was Amy or Jesse that were involved....everyone but Casey.

And of course Casey MUST have a reason to not tell police the truth...she is trying to protect the family and her baby.......what a load of crock!!
Yeah that was sad, he kept saying to her "So what Casey did makes sense to you?" and she kept saying "No but if we find Caylee then it will all make sense won't it?" Practically begging him to say yes and not letting him talk about any other possibilities at all.

[Mac]

You got it right Mac!

My father had a saying: "The less you say, the smarter you look."


You're father is a wise man


Sometimes the public lose focus on this case. Everything The Anthony's and their Minions are doing is a smoke screen to hide 2 facts. The first is the Treasure chest at the endgame. They will make millions, just the curious alone will drive book sales through the roof. The second is they need to take the focus of Casey...thats why all these fake sightings, and double talk from the Anthony's. The best thing for the Anthony's is to keep up the illusion that the baby is alive. The longer they can keep this going, the better the chance is for Casey to have a tainted Jury, and the bigger paycheck at the end for all the Anthony's and Baez.

JMO of course...but it makes sense:shrug:

[Mac]

Yeah that was sad, he kept saying to her "So what Casey did makes sense to you?" and she kept saying "No but if we find Caylee then it will all make sense won't it?" Practically begging him to say yes and not letting him talk about any other possibilities at all.

The fact that she cannot answer a question is telling enough.

Should be interesting to find out what these "stolen" E-mails contain. May give us better insight as to who is actually giving the marching orders. Might be Cindy....But I doubt she is that smart

[lorettalockhorn]

I hear that Loretta! We don't know how to do such things on computers, but these kids today are brilliant and can do a lot of things online that I can't even spell. I don't know that my PC has ever been "hacked" per se, but I know there are sites that follow my website searches and get in my mail trying to sell me things I don't want. That alone, makes me worry that I'm being watched and it's creepy. I recently had to buy another virus cleaner because somehow my PC got attacked by Trojan,, (what ever that is) and I have no idea why or how it happened. My nephew advised me to buy the cleaner. He's one of those super computer gurus and when something goes wrong with my computer, he explains it in to me in a language I can't understand.

So yeah, I believe computers can be hacked, but I don't believe anything the Anthony's say. It's a wash. They seem less credible at this point, than an empty tin can rolling down the street in the wind. This whole case contains something that would destroy so many lives and I don't blame them for trying anything to make it not true. Their desperation is about to explode, isn't it?
Sad, indeed.

Cookies and spyware are responsible for a lot of the garbage that you get in the mail and the ads that you see on various sites. This is all you need:

http://avast.com/

It's free and is continuously updated.

I ran the IP addy that Sean Krause published at thedailybs.com, and found that it came originated from Altamonte Springs, FL, which is very near Orlando (whereas Ocala is relatively distant). And when I plugged markmonitor.com onto WHOIS, I got a slightly different result than O2S did. Not sure why the difference in results, but I tend to think that whoever was smart enough to "hack" Cindy's account was smart enough to us a proxy address.

I'm interested in the fact that it appears on the surface that G&C didn't spend TGiving together. Although if I was George, I'd get as far from her toxic arse as possible.

[Mac]

Cookies and spyware are responsible for a lot of the garbage that you get in the mail and the ads that you see on various sites. This is all you need:

http://avast.com/

It's free and is continuously updated.

I ran the IP addy that Sean Krause published at thedailybs.com, and found that it came originated from Altamonte Springs, FL, which is very near Orlando (whereas Ocala is relatively distant). And when I plugged markmonitor.com onto WHOIS, I got a slightly different result than O2S did. Not sure why the difference in results, but I tend to think that whoever was smart enough to "hack" Cindy's account was smart enough to us a proxy address.

I'm interested in the fact that it appears on the surface that G&C didn't spend TGiving together. Although if I was George, I'd get as far as possible from her toxic arse as possible.


Avast is a great program....use it on all my puters. And I agree, if I was George.....I would run...FAST!

[lorettalockhorn]

Avast is a great program....use it on all my puters. And I agree, if I was George.....I would run...FAST!

HAHAHA I'm so adamant about that justice obstructing fishwife, that I employed my status as president of the department of redundancy department.

[samanthajane13]

What I don't get is all the spin doctors working for the Anthonys blindly spreading the crap that Caylee is possibly alive.

If the Anthonys have no money-how are they able to pay these PR idiots??

And don't the PR people and spokes people have a functioning brain between them???

Do they all live under a rock???

Have they NOT heard about all the evidence that's stacking up against Casey??

Have they NOT seen the Anthonys spin their wheels, canceling the press conferences, avoiding the questions, etc. to know that it's all a pack of lies??

I believe in innocent until proven guilty, but COME ON!!!! Casey's lies and now her silence SPEAK VOLUMES!!!

She DID SOMETHING to that baby, and Caylee DIED!!! And she's the ONLY ONE who can tell us what happened and where Caylee's remains are!!!

Anyone with a shred of decency, logic, honesty and intelligence would look at all the facts that we have coming in, and they'd distance themselves from this case.

Yet you see these people babbling all the Cindy-speak that Caylee is alive and Casey is innocent as the day she was born.

I'm sorry, but if it was me, I couldn't know that evidence and still dance to Cindy's tune.

There just isn't enough money for me to mis-inform the public just to make a buck.

RIP, Caylee...:rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

Personally, I think the only way that Cindy will allow these pariahs to attach their remora selves to her shark self is if they preach her message. The Live Caylee sightings are meant to distract and detract from the facts that G&C both know, but refuse to deal with. And we all mourn in different ways, so maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Nah. I can't. Because of the mind games she plays with LE and the press and with Caylee's memory. Not once have I seen her plead with the kidnappers for Caylee's safe return or offer even a pittance for Caylee's safe return and the ability to give her a decent burial.

The kidfinder people especially need the limelight; they need this grieving grandmother to give credence to their shoddy business persona. So what if Caylee's remains are found? They will grieve. And most likely every bit as audibly as Cindy herself.

[samanthajane13]

I still think that maybe George was checking out the escort websites. That could also explain why he lost so much money.

Better for George's case to tell Cindy that he lost it to gambling and an internet scam than to tell her he was cheating.

But who could really blame him for cheating, knowing she's such a harpy???

Who would wanna cuddle up to that witch???

[Gatordog]

I'm still trying to play ketchup. Is it true CA gave the FBI the dog's toothbrush? Is the info in the "just released documents 11/26"? I haven't had time to read them yet - but hopefully will get to it tonight.

Hi O2S, Cindy did not give LE the dog's toothbrush, but made the comment afterwards to George while Tracy, Leonard Padilla's female guard, was present.

[lorettalockhorn]

The only thing I find attractive about George is his looks. He's a weak man. He's playing victim right along with Cindy and he's (if it's true) in the dog house and beholding to her. Yes, she's a screaming skull, but their marriage as I see it at this point is a business arrangement. The spell, I think was broken long ago. He now works for her. She's the boss. If he doesn't play right, he will be sleeping in his car.

JMO

George owns a car?! :eek:

[Gatordog]

Personally, I think the only way that Cindy will allow these pariahs to attach their remora selves to her shark self is if they preach her message. The Live Caylee sightings are meant to distract and detract from the facts that G&C both know, but refuse to deal with. And we all mourn in different ways, so maybe we should give them the benefit of the doubt.

Nah. I can't. Because of the mind games she plays with LE and the press and with Caylee's memory. Not once have I seen her plead with the kidnappers for Caylee's safe return or offer even a pittance for Caylee's safe return and the ability to give her a decent burial.

The kidfinder people especially need the limelight; they need this grieving grandmother to give credence to their shoddy business persona. So what if Caylee's remains are found? They will grieve. And most likely every bit as audibly as Cindy herself.

Loretta, you're right about them not mentioning anything to the kidnappers to return her and received the $250K reward. There was a reward mentioned early on for $250K. If anyone had actually suspected that they saw Caylee at the mall, they would have made sure mall security showed up to prove who the child was. $250,000 talks real loud but no one at all mentions it. I don't know who at the time was putting up the money. I guess it's easy to make a phoney reward for a child you know won't be found.

[One2Snoop]

Can you tell me aout the fake suicide I missed that one.


You can read about it here - BTW I love this bloggers take on the whole situation LOL....

Page 2 blog entries from November - Murts suicide is talked about here. Start with BOMBSHELL NEWS - Murt Possibly KIA. (Killed in action)
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?m=200811&paged=2

page 1 blog entries
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?m=200811

[jas72]

From the transcript of the NG show:

GRACE: Neck-breaking, household weapons, alcohol, acetone, peroxide, death.

And out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, also searching for Caylee, explain to me how lost numbers, the search -- you go on Google or Yahoo! or any of the search engines, and you plug in "lost numbers." Why is that so important, Leonard Padilla?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, SEARCHING FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: You`ve got me. I`ve talked to several people, including investigators with several law enforcement agencies.

Gee, LP, great insight. Glad we have you sitting there in your cowboy hat every night. You add so much to the discussion. I know I keep harping on this, but isn't this guy's 15 minutes up by now? He was so cock-sure that he would march in and get CA to tell him where little Caylee was. Well, he didn't, so why does he continually get air time? He hasn't been in the Anthony home for, what, well over 2 or 3 months by now? I cringe whenever he's shown now.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Defense Team Member Predicts Trial Delay
Tuesday, December 2, 2008 – updated: 9:13 am EST December 2, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A member of Casey Anthony's defense team says he predicts that her trial will be delayed. Doctor Lawrence Kobilinsky talked about a possible delay Monday night on CNN's Nancy Grace show.
Casey's murder trial is scheduled for January 5, but Kobilinsky said the defense team may need more than a month extra. Defense experts haven't even had a chance to look at the key evidence.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18185613/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

From the transcript of the NG show:

GRACE: Neck-breaking, household weapons, alcohol, acetone, peroxide, death.

And out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, also searching for Caylee, explain to me how lost numbers, the search -- you go on Google or Yahoo! or any of the search engines, and you plug in "lost numbers." Why is that so important, Leonard Padilla?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, SEARCHING FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: You`ve got me. I`ve talked to several people, including investigators with several law enforcement agencies.

Gee, LP, great insight. Glad we have you sitting there in your cowboy hat every night. You add so much to the discussion. I know I keep harping on this, but isn't this guy's 15 minutes up by now? He was so cock-sure that he would march in and get CA to tell him where little Caylee was. Well, he didn't, so why does he continually get air time? He hasn't been in the Anthony home for, what, well over 2 or 3 months by now? I cringe whenever he's shown now.

I believe he's on there more for ratings - I can take it or leave it- makes no difference to me whether he's on there or not. Apparently he's the only one left searching for Caylee although last I read he received $50,000 but won't be searching again until January. Not sure why he's waiting til then? :shrug:

[Mac]

Hey Mac! :beer: You're pretty smart yourself!

There will always be those who want to believe, so yes, the jury is going to be a real challenge. However, there is no proof so far, that Caylee is alive and yet there is nothing so far that *she says* that explains otherwise, so even a mentally challenged jury will have to convict her. The dna speaks loud enough for me.

Thanks for the compliment....Not just the DNA evidence...But the actions of the ANthony's themselves.
They have nothing else that they can hang their coat on. The only chance Cindy has to save her daughter is to change opinion......she will never accomplish this though....her daughter's public image is so bad due to her non-compliance and lies.

All Casey had to do was to admit an accident, and she might have had a shot...not now

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the compliment....Not just the DNA evidence...But the actions of the ANthony's themselves.
They have nothing else that they can hang their coat on. The only chance Cindy has to save her daughter is to change opinion......she will never accomplish this though....her daughter's public image is so bad due to her non-compliance and lies.

All Casey had to do was to admit an accident, and she might have had a shot...not now

Unfortunately for Casey, Cindy's own seeming non-compliance and lies are of no help. The opposite possibly.

[One2Snoop]

Must be a slow news day....

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/indifferent/indifferent0022.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-rolleye-smileys.php)

[Gatordog]

Hi everyone :seeya: Gator is finally connected from home.

WFTV reports that Cindy has not reported the email hacking to the police. The FBI is checking only because the reporter told them. Time for NG.

Gator

[wind149]

"Sightings are a delusion" YA THINK????? I swear someone needs to knock Cindy on her delusional ass!!! Now today, she announces more sightings, and I agree with gator, one minute she thinks the media is an evil force out to get her and Casey, and then in the next second, she just can't stay away from the limelight!!! George and his pathetic riding around on Thanksgiving waving the Caylee banner! And Tim Miller might very will be right, that C's body will probably never be found and if she became gator bait...... These people are on my last nerve, the daughter who murdered the baby, the granny who is about certifiable and the dad, an ex-cop, would not know the truth if they fell over it!!! I am convinced that the sightings are just bull****, a smoke screen, they ALL KNOW where that little girl's body is and I guess CA is heading for death row and maybe if she had come clean way way earlier, maybe the DA would have offered her a plea bargain whereas she might have seen the outside by the time she was 45 and now? FORGET IT!!! What boggles my mind is how come these morons have never taken a polygraph?? While it is strictly a law enforcement tool, it sure as hell would answer a lot of questions!!

Look at Marc Klass! Take my DNA, give me a polygraph, search my house, my car, my underwear!!!! And these asswipes, Cindy needs to be charged with obstruction and lying just like her scumbag daughter!! YOU WOULD THINK GEORGE would WANT to take POLYGRAPH being a former cop!!!!! I am gonna look into him, did n't they come from OH originally??? Wonder if I could come up with some answers, but I betcha Orange County has looked into his jacket and I wonder how many write-ups he had seeing as he comes off a hot head and a know it all!! I listened to him chatting with the FBI again to see if I missed anything and I did. He almost IMO, admits that he KNOWS it is human decomp, but instead he veers off to the pizza thing and we all know that is crap and so does the FBI but they let him blather on about it. And he talks about the stain and how big it is and the maggots, surely as a cop, he would know maggots do not prefer a Pizza Hut Supreme over decomposing flesh! Doesn't he know that the fly plays a big part in the evolution of maggots???? So much horse crap, but wait till the trial kids, when all these losers lie under oath!!!

[Mac]

Hi everyone :seeya: Gator is finally connected from home.

WFTV reports that Cindy has not reported the email hacking to the police. The FBI is checking only because the reporter told them. Time for NG.

Gator

She doesnt want to report it, My wife says that there may be some juicy stuff in there that they don't want to see the light of day

[One2Snoop]

She doesnt want to report it, My wife says that there may be some juicy stuff in there that they don't want to see the light of day

Now that you mention the word juicy - I can hardly wait until its released to the media. http://i34.tinypic.com/20gfal2.gif

[One2Snoop]

Hi everyone :seeya: Gator is finally connected from home.
WFTV reports that Cindy has not reported the email hacking to the police. The FBI is checking only because the reporter told them. Time for NG.

Gator

Hooray! :beer:

[Gatordog]

She doesnt want to report it, My wife says that there may be some juicy stuff in there that they don't want to see the light of day

Or maybe the pc wasn't hacked as others here have suggested. Maybe someone close to her leaked those emails.

[Gatordog]

On the news tonight, don't remember which channel, a woman has come forth stating that she saw Caylee and talked to her. It might have been at the airport. I didn't catch the whole thing. The woman said that she had her dog with her which is what attracted the child. She has a yorkie and the little girl said she had a dog like that. She said the liitle girl said her name was "caylee mare antny". The lady with the child said "She's telling you her name is Caylee Marie Anthony". Okay, now do you think a kidnapper would correctly give the child's name out? Must be a full moon out tonight because it seems that all the nuts are coming out.

[Gatordog]

Hooray! :beer:

Thanks O2S, now I can fill you in right away if there's something on local news.

[Gatordog]

Found it - it's not the full report that was shown on thw news but it shows enough. Gator

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7987023&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[mu8shark]

Hi everyone :seeya: Gator is finally connected from home.

WFTV reports that Cindy has not reported the email hacking to the police. The FBI is checking only because the reporter told them. Time for NG.

Gator Hi Gator missed ya! On this hacking story, want to know what is bad, I wonder if Cindy is trying to cover for something she wrote to someone. I know that is bad that I can't believe one single thing she says but she had lied on so many things, it is hard for me to believe her. No info on what emails contained yet?

[mu8shark]

On the news tonight, don't remember which channel, a woman has come forth stating that she saw Caylee and talked to her. It might have been at the airport. I didn't catch the whole thing. The woman said that she had her dog with her which is what attracted the child. She has a yorkie and the little girl said she had a dog like that. She said the liitle girl said her name was "caylee mare antny". The lady with the child said "She's telling you her name is Caylee Marie Anthony". Okay, now do you think a kidnapper would correctly give the child's name out? Must be a full moon out tonight because it seems that all the nuts are coming out. Uh huh, right lady, so was this little girl just hanging around at the airport with the kidnapper? Because they did not get on a plane. All leads at the airport fell flat as the manifests were checked and the children were accounted for and not Caylee.

[mu8shark]

So now the private investigator has the license plate of the real kidnapper at the mall? And they are waiting on? Waiting for the kidnapper to get away, to beat Caylee, to sell her, to molest her, what? Why are they waiting it out? Makes no sense. You know if they have a license plate a private dick can run that license plate and find the location asap. The Anthonys just look assinine. Cindy is trying everything to throw reasonable doubt on Casey;s case, except most of what she says and does is unreasonable.

[mu8shark]

Looks like those of us that were banned at the other site finally found a place where we can voice our opinions at last!

By the way......what I just said.....would have gotten me banned there......Off topic.....HAH! I was banned for commenting on the moderation on that same board, then she wrote me a nasty email and when I tried to reply to her, she set it so my replies would not go through. This is a much better board.

[mu8shark]

About Cindy saying her emails were listed as coming out of Ocala so obviously it could not be her, not really. I live in Kansas City and my yahoo emails showed up as coming through Oklahoma and Wichita, KS. A friend of mine was running my emails and others through a security guy a while back when someone was hassling me and he explained that a lot of emails show up as just a general area. If LE really wants to pinpoint it however they can check up on her and get very specific. But if some security company run a general check and it showed up as Ocala, it does not mean it is not Cindy. After reading some posts on this board about what emails she said were not hers, I think she is trying to deny that she implicated Casey in any way in any of her emails in the early going. Man is she full of dog dooo.

[sharlock]

While reading more and more, trying to separate the truth from the lies, I'm careful not to read statements from those out there who put arms and legs on everything Casey and Cindy say. It's bad enough listening to them or reading their statements. SO mainly I read this forum and stay here. Yesterday however I googled and found sites and videos that show Cindy more clearly (to me anyway) and I saw her at the park the day they searched and while Padilla was there, and she was arguing with him, and the protesters, I saw her flipping out and back peddling when one protester told her to help search. She yelled out that she WAS searching and that she went to Gainesville the day before and yada yada. When she walked away the cameras were in her face and she (paraphrasing) said, You're too close, I have a right to space, or some such. The logical voice came out of the background, and it said, "This is a public park. If you want space and privacy do your stuff in private."


It made me have an epiphany! She knows Caylee is dead. She knows Casey killed her. She wants to control as she has always controlled.

What were they doing there? What?? I'm having a hard time figuring out what Cindy is trying exactly to do with the media. Anyone can pretend, but when your standing in the gallows and the guillotine comes down, your head is still rolling off the platform. It's a sick prelude to a beheading as far as I can see.

If it walks like a duck, yeah yeah.. But I still have trouble with this.

Thanks for letting me think in print here. Help!!!!!

Hi!:seeya:
I watched that at the time, Cindy was out there with George to protest the fact that LP was organising a vigil for little Caylee, they claim that was all they were ther for not to interfere with the search but one of those vids clearly shows George saying to LP that they will not find Caylees body in the water and that it is disrespectful; so I also beleive they wanted to relay those sentiments to LP as well. The Gainesville search she mentioned was of an alleged live siting of Caylee. I agree that they are trying to create reasonable doubt for Casey and they prob know little Caylee is in heaven I didn't see them do anything on that day to show this. I thought it was far more interesting that the protester turned out to be from the Anthony's group of lackies and far more telling about their real agenda.
ITA that Cindy needs to be in control and won't let that go even to her own detriment. Consider if she had simply let Nejame speak on theiir behalf, noone would have turned on this family who have already lost sooo much. One thing I have never doubted is George & Cindy's love for Caylee and that her pain is sincere .

[One2Snoop]

About Cindy saying her emails were listed as coming out of Ocala so obviously it could not be her, not really. I live in Kansas City and my yahoo emails showed up as coming through Oklahoma and Wichita, KS. A friend of mine was running my emails and others through a security guy a while back when someone was hassling me and he explained that a lot of emails show up as just a general area. If LE really wants to pinpoint it however they can check up on her and get very specific. But if some security company run a general check and it showed up as Ocala, it does not mean it is not Cindy. After reading some posts on this board about what emails she said were not hers, I think she is trying to deny that she implicated Casey in any way in any of her emails in the early going. Man is she full of dog dooo.

You can say the word $ hit if you like - I agree with you though regarding Cindy covering for Casey.
Concerning IP's, my IP used to trace out of Chicago for a period of time and for the life of me I couldn't figure that one out considering I live on the west coast. :shrug: Although I still have the same Internet Service I've upgraded to some super duper pro something or another - now my IP stays the same and it doesn't originate from Chicago, but it still doesn't show my exact location, but its close. Whatever - LE and FBI can trace anyone to the exact spot if they need too - Although there's no need for them to come knocking on my door - :eek: at least I hope not.

[One2Snoop]

bumping for Sharlock regarding Murts supposed suicide...

You can read about it here - BTW I love this bloggers take on the whole situation LOL....

Page 2 blog entries from November - Murts suicide is talked about here. Start with BOMBSHELL NEWS - Murt Possibly KIA. (Killed in action)
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?m=200811&paged=2

page 1 blog entries
http://beaconhell.com/blog/?m=200811

[One2Snoop]

Looks like those of us that were banned at the other site finally found a place where we can voice our opinions at last!

By the way......what I just said.....would have gotten me banned there......Off topic.....HAH!

I was banned for commenting on the moderation on that same board, then she wrote me a nasty email and when I tried to reply to her, she set it so my replies would not go through. This is a much better board.

Absolutely! :patriot::beer:

[TLC]

OOOPS- someone ruffled CA's feathers

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2133

[Mac]

OOOPS- someone ruffled CA's feathers

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2133


YUP. Amother person that has held out the hnd of friendship, only to get it chopped of in the end.

Let's see what the list is up to...

Lenny PAdilla
Krause
OCSO
Texas equisearch
Amy Huzienga
Jesse Grund
WFTV
M and J show
Nancy Grace
Sheriff Bearry
Det Allan
Det Melich
George Anthony
LArry Garrison
among others.....Also she still can't blame the murderess that is sitting in jail....What a Gal!!!:flamemad:

[Gatordog]

Uh huh, right lady, so was this little girl just hanging around at the airport with the kidnapper? Because they did not get on a plane. All leads at the airport fell flat as the manifests were checked and the children were accounted for and not Caylee.

More of the interview was shown this morning. Get this, the little girl had on a hat or shirt with Goofy on it so the lady asked if the girl went to Disney. The women with the girl said, "No, she lives in Orlando, I live in the New York/ New Jersey area". Now, firstly, a kidnapper is not going to say where she lives and second, you don't say from New York/New Jersey area - that's water. You say New York or New Jersey. This was on July 2nd, two weeks before the 911 call so how can the woman be so sure? Plus, the police checked out that AirTran flight. She is going to give a killer walking papers if she doesn't shut up.

Gator

[shadydaisy]

More of the interview was shown this morning. Get this, the little girl had on a hat or shirt with Goofy on it so the lady asked if the girl went to Disney. The women with the girl said, "No, she lives in Orlando, I live in the New York/ New Jersey area". Now, firstly, a kidnapper is not going to say where she lives and second, you don't say from New York/New Jersey area - that's water. You say New York or New Jersey. This was on July 2nd, two weeks before the 911 call so how can the woman be so sure? Plus, the police checked out that AirTran flight. She is going to give a killer walking papers if she doesn't shut up.

Gator

Long time lurker, finally registered and ready to join in!

I read the entire police report that was filled out by this woman. According to her, she had quite an extensive conversation with both the child and "kidnapper". She claimed that the woman did not appear to be the child's mother, since she did not seem comfortable with her. When kidnapping a child, no matter how inept the kidnapper may be, I believe one would no better than to let the child converse with strangers and give out their name. BTW I am in NJ. We do not routinely say we are from NJ/NY area. However, there is a strange colloquialism; If you live in eastern NJ, near NYC, people do say NJ, NY area. I am on the west - NJ/PA side.

[NMurphy02]

all the sightings of Laci Peterson too until her poor body washed up on shore.

[dan_uk]

hi all

just catching up on what ive missed and it dont look like ive missed much,still cant belive the evil b/i/t/c/h hasnt come clean on what happened

[Justice Denied?]

hi all

just catching up on what ive missed and it dont look like ive missed much,still cant belive the evil b/i/t/c/h hasnt come clean on what happened

IMO the evil one will never talk. She will take the truth to her grave. She knows if she tells the truth she is buying herself a lethal injection.

I honestly believe the defense will attack the accuracy of the forensics and play up the fact that the prosecution cannot prove the date, time or method of death and even if they could, they can't connect it to Casey.

Personally I think the computer, the evidence from the trunk and the deception and lies will hang Casey.

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys Have Yet To Report Email Hacking Claims To Police
Tuesday, December 2, 2008 – updated: 5:36 pm EST December 2, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Cindy Anthony and her private investigator Tuesday had still not reported their claims that someone hacked into her email account and sent unauthorized messages to Eyewitness News and other people.
Eyewitness News broke the story Monday evening. The FBI is now investigating after the emails were reported to them by WFTV reporter Kathi Belich.
The Anthonys' private investigator told Eyewitness News they are outraged and planned to report the intrusion, to the Marion County Sheriff's Office.
As of late Tuesday afternoon, though, they had not.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18189836/detail.html

[dan_uk]

Personally I think the computer, the evidence from the trunk and the deception and lies will hang Casey.hangings to quick,it should be a slow and painful death

[One2Snoop]

George, Cindy Anthony: Big Break In Case Coming

POSTED: 3:23 pm EST December 2, 2008
UPDATED: 6:12 pm EST December 2, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.

George Anthony wouldn't elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
"There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it's pretty awesome stuff. I can't be too specific with you but we believe we're close," he said.

snip

Meanwhile, members of Kid Finders said they've had a third witness come forward to tell them they also saw a little girl who looked like Caylee in an Orlando mall last month.
Nov. 13, one of those witnesses took a photo with her cell phone in a children's play area at the Florida Mall.
A spokeswoman for Kid Finders said the Anthonys remain hopeful because no one has come forward to claim the child as their own.
A spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office said forensic evidence from the FBI lab proves Caylee is dead. They have suspended efforts to find the girl alive.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Tipster insists she saw Caylee Anthony at OIA
Last Edited: Tuesday, 02 Dec 2008, 9:58 PM EST
Created: Tuesday, 02 Dec 2008, 5:11 PM ES

BY TRACY JACIM
FOX 35 NEWS

SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Back on July 2nd, most of us never heard of Casey or Caylee Anthony. That's the evening Lake County woman Wanda Wery insists she saw the then missing two-year- old at the Orlando International Airport.

Wery said she was waiting at an AirTran gate with her husband and son with their Yorkshire Terrier dog, when a little girl she believes was Caylee Anthony came up to them to play with the dog. The Anthony's have always said Caylee loved her dogs, fueling Wery's belief.

When she came up to me, she said her name,” Wery said. “I asked her three times. She said 'Caylee Me-Antony' all in one word. I didn't expect that. Then the woman she was with spoke up and said, 'She's trying to tell you her name is Caylee Marie Anthony."

Wery said she boarded the flight to Atlanta, and so did the girl and woman. She added the woman told her Caylee was from here, but that she lived in New York or New Jersey.

By the time Wery returned from her vacation, the Anthony's had already reported Caylee missing. That happened on July 15th, and on July 16th police arrested Casey and the Anthony's began their still ongoing media blitz.

Wery said when she saw Caylee's picture on TV., she immediately called the Sheriff's Office. She filed an official report, they interviewed her and her son, and even made a sketch of the woman she said was with Caylee. In the end, though, the Sheriff's Office told her and us they and the FBI thoroughly investigated that tip and it was completely unfounded.

But still Wery insists that despite the fact that the Orange County Sheriff’s office believes that Caylee is dead and the state is building a case of murder against the mother, she said that she is "Absolutely certain," that the little girl she saw was Caylee Anthony, very much alive.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7987023&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Gatordog]

Welcome!

I've heard that "NY, NJ area" response, yes. I'm a New Englander.

While this sighting is clearly a moot thing, I can see where it would feed the media. That's about all it did.
IMO

The phantom kidnapper must be from NJ then because I'm from NYC and we have never called it the NY/NJ area.

[Gatordog]

George, Cindy Anthony: Big Break In Case Coming

POSTED: 3:23 pm EST December 2, 2008
UPDATED: 6:12 pm EST December 2, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.

George Anthony wouldn't elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
"There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it's pretty awesome stuff. I can't be too specific with you but we believe we're close," he said.

snip

Meanwhile, members of Kid Finders said they've had a third witness come forward to tell them they also saw a little girl who looked like Caylee in an Orlando mall last month.
Nov. 13, one of those witnesses took a photo with her cell phone in a children's play area at the Florida Mall.
A spokeswoman for Kid Finders said the Anthonys remain hopeful because no one has come forward to claim the child as their own.
A spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office said forensic evidence from the FBI lab proves Caylee is dead. They have suspended efforts to find the girl alive.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html

I don't know why they are all excited about this new development. Afterall, aren't they watching the kidnappers and know where Caylee is? They've said often enough that they are under surveillance. These lies come back to haunt them each and every day. Cindy Anthony needs a muzzle because she is stepping over her own words. :rolleyes:

[joekuhl79]

George, Cindy Anthony: Big Break In Case Coming

POSTED: 3:23 pm EST December 2, 2008
UPDATED: 6:12 pm EST December 2, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.

George Anthony wouldn't elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
"There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it's pretty awesome stuff. I can't be too specific with you but we believe we're close," he said.

snip

Meanwhile, members of Kid Finders said they've had a third witness come forward to tell them they also saw a little girl who looked like Caylee in an Orlando mall last month.
Nov. 13, one of those witnesses took a photo with her cell phone in a children's play area at the Florida Mall.
A spokeswoman for Kid Finders said the Anthonys remain hopeful because no one has come forward to claim the child as their own.
A spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office said forensic evidence from the FBI lab proves Caylee is dead. They have suspended efforts to find the girl alive.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html

"We might be working on something that could possibly maybe lead us to someone who may have an idea on where someone who might look like our grand daughter could be. Possibly."

Up until now I still believed that Cindy was so deep in denial that that is why she came up with all this stuff, and George went along with her to placate her. Now I believe as most others do that they are tainting the jury pool with reasonable doubt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cindy went to Asia or something and adopted/kidnapped a three-ish year old girl and claimed it was Caylee!

[One2Snoop]

"We might be working on something that could possibly maybe lead us to someone who may have an idea on where someone who might look like our grand daughter could be. Possibly."

Up until now I still believed that Cindy was so deep in denial that that is why she came up with all this stuff, and George went along with her to placate her. Now I believe as most others do that they are tainting the jury pool with reasonable doubt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cindy went to Asia or something and adopted/kidnapped a three-ish year old girl and claimed it was Caylee!

Now, now joe don't give them any ideas LOL.

[lorettalockhorn]

Hi everyone :seeya: Gator is finally connected from home.

WFTV reports that Cindy has not reported the email hacking to the police. The FBI is checking only because the reporter told them. Time for NG.

Gator

Gator that is great news! Now you can post 24/7. And forget to eat. And just hook up and IV bag and full foley catheter. LMAO

Hey, I just heard this morning on another board that the gangs are taking over in G&C's neighborhood. I sure would hate to see Georgie's car stripped for parts.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Sharlock. You filled me in. It is sad that Cindy's personality is so strong that she can't let go of control, and I agree, it is to her detriment. This tragedy is beyond awful for those people and (like some mentioned) everyone grieves differently. It fascinates me because I've grieved and I've lost, but I couldn't personally go emotionally naked before the world. This kind of personal exposure is so far out of my range of comprehension it's like watching a si fi movie. I don't understand these people. (But I'm trying like hell)

Danager, love your new siggie. I was going to post that the other day when we were talking about lies. :hat:

[Mac]

all the sightings of Laci Peterson too until her poor body washed up on shore.


Good point

[Mac]

George, Cindy Anthony: Big Break In Case Coming

POSTED: 3:23 pm EST December 2, 2008
UPDATED: 6:12 pm EST December 2, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.

George Anthony wouldn't elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
"There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it's pretty awesome stuff. I can't be too specific with you but we believe we're close," he said.

snip

Meanwhile, members of Kid Finders said they've had a third witness come forward to tell them they also saw a little girl who looked like Caylee in an Orlando mall last month.
Nov. 13, one of those witnesses took a photo with her cell phone in a children's play area at the Florida Mall.
A spokeswoman for Kid Finders said the Anthonys remain hopeful because no one has come forward to claim the child as their own.
A spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office said forensic evidence from the FBI lab proves Caylee is dead. They have suspended efforts to find the girl alive.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html



Again....trying to keep the attention off Poor Casey......sorry folks.....aint workin'

[One2Snoop]

Tipster insists she saw Caylee Anthony at OIA
Last Edited: Tuesday, 02 Dec 2008, 9:58 PM EST
Created: Tuesday, 02 Dec 2008, 5:11 PM ES

BY TRACY JACIM
FOX 35 NEWS

SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Back on July 2nd, most of us never heard of Casey or Caylee Anthony. That's the evening Lake County woman Wanda Wery insists she saw the then missing two-year- old at the Orlando International Airport.

Wery said she was waiting at an AirTran gate with her husband and son with their Yorkshire Terrier dog, when a little girl she believes was Caylee Anthony came up to them to play with the dog. The Anthony's have always said Caylee loved her dogs, fueling Wery's belief.

When she came up to me, she said her name,” Wery said. “I asked her three times. She said 'Caylee Me-Antony' all in one word. I didn't expect that. Then the woman she was with spoke up and said, 'She's trying to tell you her name is Caylee Marie Anthony."

Wery said she boarded the flight to Atlanta, and so did the girl and woman. She added the woman told her Caylee was from here, but that she lived in New York or New Jersey.

By the time Wery returned from her vacation, the Anthony's had already reported Caylee missing. That happened on July 15th, and on July 16th police arrested Casey and the Anthony's began their still ongoing media blitz.

Wery said when she saw Caylee's picture on TV., she immediately called the Sheriff's Office. She filed an official report, they interviewed her and her son, and even made a sketch of the woman she said was with Caylee. In the end, though, the Sheriff's Office told her and us they and the FBI thoroughly investigated that tip and it was completely unfounded.

But still Wery insists that despite the fact that the Orange County Sheriff’s office believes that Caylee is dead and the state is building a case of murder against the mother, she said that she is "Absolutely certain," that the little girl she saw was Caylee Anthony, very much alive.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7987023&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

An update on Wanda Wery - sounds as though she's not a very credible person IMO. Just someone looking for her 15 minutes of fame perhaps?
My oh my the Anthony's have certainly attracted an unsavory bunch of people throughout all this - why is that? :shrug:

Beware of Wanda Wery of Loving Acres, FL
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/breeder-vet-groomer-reviews/132177-beware-wanda-wery-loving-acres-fl.html

[lorettalockhorn]

"We might be working on something that could possibly maybe lead us to someone who may have an idea on where someone who might look like our grand daughter could be. Possibly."

Up until now I still believed that Cindy was so deep in denial that that is why she came up with all this stuff, and George went along with her to placate her. Now I believe as most others do that they are tainting the jury pool with reasonable doubt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cindy went to Asia or something and adopted/kidnapped a three-ish year old girl and claimed it was Caylee!

I had kind of the same thought; that the Anthonys hired actors to star as Zenaida and Caylee for a day.

Don't know about y'all, but if I was going to grab a kid, and was going to leave town by air, rather than say by rail where there is so little security, I would give the girl a hair cut and a perm, dye what us left of her hair, and give her a dose of Benedril so there would be ZERO talking to strangers.

[Gatordog]

"We might be working on something that could possibly maybe lead us to someone who may have an idea on where someone who might look like our grand daughter could be. Possibly."

Up until now I still believed that Cindy was so deep in denial that that is why she came up with all this stuff, and George went along with her to placate her. Now I believe as most others do that they are tainting the jury pool with reasonable doubt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cindy went to Asia or something and adopted/kidnapped a three-ish year old girl and claimed it was Caylee!

I have a lead on where to find someone who knows where Caylee is - try the Thirty-third Street Jail. She's in solitary confinement. :cool:

[lorettalockhorn]

An update on Wanda Wery - sounds as though she's not a very credible person IMO. Just someone looking for her 15 minutes of fame perhaps?
My oh my the Anthony's have certainly attracted an unsavory bunch of people throughout all this - why is that? :shrug:

Beware of Wanda Wery of Loving Acres, FL
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/breeder-vet-groomer-reviews/132177-beware-wanda-wery-loving-acres-fl.html

The Anthonys are so Full O'Chit that the attract the dregs of society who so desperately want to look better by comparison. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

The Anthonys are so Full O'Chit that the attract the dregs of society who so desperately want to look better by comparison. :shrug:

LOL that must be it. :beer:

[joekuhl79]

I have a lead on where to find someone who knows where Caylee is - try the Thirty-third Street Jail. She's in solitary confinement. :cool:

LOL! But sooo true!

[Shadowscy]

An update on Wanda Wery - sounds as though she's not a very credible person IMO. Just someone looking for her 15 minutes of fame perhaps?
My oh my the Anthony's have certainly attracted an unsavory bunch of people throughout all this - why is that? :shrug:

Beware of Wanda Wery of Loving Acres, FL
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/breeder-vet-groomer-reviews/132177-beware-wanda-wery-loving-acres-fl.html

Hi everyone, :seeya:

I normally lurk but when I read this post I just had to "unlurk" for a moment.
If my memory stands good, doesn't Cindy have Yorkies? According to the link, this Wanda lady lives in Florida, is it possible that they KNOW each other??? :confused:

[One2Snoop]

Hi everyone, :seeya:

I normally lurk but when I read this post I just had to "unlurk" for a moment.
If my memory stands good, doesn't Cindy have Yorkies? According to the link, this Wanda lady lives in Florida, is it possible that they KNOW each other??? :confused:

Hi there Shadow. :seeya: Glad you decided to "unlurk".

Yes the Anthony's have Yorkies. It's possible they know each other but do you think we'd get a straight answer out of either one of them if we asked? ;) I say no. I'll keep searching to see if anyone on the net has figured this one out yet.

[Mac]

Hi everyone, :seeya:

I normally lurk but when I read this post I just had to "unlurk" for a moment.
If my memory stands good, doesn't Cindy have Yorkies? According to the link, this Wanda lady lives in Florida, is it possible that they KNOW each other??? :confused:



In the words of Mel Allen

"HOW ABOUT THAT!"

[samanthajane13]

If it were anyone else, I'd say the possibility was really remote that Cindy knew Wendy.

But having read the info on Wendy, and knowing the BS that Cindy is peddlng, I'd say its a BIG POSSIBILITY that they're buddies!!!

Holy CRAP-the scams that Wendy has been running on people-and those POOR PUPPIES ARE NOT WELL!!!

Damn-Cindy and Wendy may even be related...siamese twins separated at birth???

BAD KARMA down there...must be the heat...or the water...:shrug:

[wind149]

Know what ya mean. I am originally from NE too and when people would ask me where I am from I always say NE instead of maybe VT which is where I am from and some people would ask what state and then I would tell them. Now that I live in MI I am considered a Michigander!! I believe this woman saw C about as much as I did when I saw John F Kennedy and Jimi Hendrix at a park here!!! If this woman already KNEW C was missing and she was SO POSITIVE why did she not pick up her cell and call 911????? It is all crap and we all know it and so does the cops. Just another pile of crap to stir Cindy up and what she really needs is to be knocked on her fat ass!!! I was talking about this case with a friend today and he and his girlfriend have been following the coverage from NG and CNN and they totally agree that C is dead and who killed her and believe that C&G KNOW where the body is too!! Doug picked up on something like I did. George being seen peering into the woods the DAY BEFORE Tim and LP were to start the search around the lake and park, if he was so positive that C is alive what in hell was he doing there??? Looking to see if the grave could be found???:mad: Checking around to see if he can see bones????? That is what we all think here. And they believe that b/i/t/c/h murdered C with the chloroform and thinks that her body for a time must have been in the backyard, enough so the cadaver dogs hit on the scent. My friend is a retired military MP, surely he knows his stuff when it comes to dead people and certainly knows the scent of decomp!!! His girlfriend is a ER nurse so you gotta figure from what they say they are correct in saying the child is long dead and probably gator bait, CA wanted to make sure she would never be found hoping LE would buy the nanny story and after the first 48, the case goes cold and boom she is in the clear knowing that child would never be found especially if she was eaten by a gator.

[One2Snoop]

If it were anyone else, I'd say the possibility was really remote that Cindy knew Wendy.

But having read the info on Wendy, and knowing the BS that Cindy is peddlng, I'd say its a BIG POSSIBILITY that they're buddies!!!

Holy CRAP-the scams that Wendy has been running on people-and those POOR PUPPIES ARE NOT WELL!!!

Damn-Cindy and Wendy may even be related...siamese twins separated at birth???

BAD KARMA down there...must be the heat...or the water...:shrug:

LOL they do kind of resemble one another...

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[mu8shark]

Long time lurker, finally registered and ready to join in!

I read the entire police report that was filled out by this woman. According to her, she had quite an extensive conversation with both the child and "kidnapper". She claimed that the woman did not appear to be the child's mother, since she did not seem comfortable with her. When kidnapping a child, no matter how inept the kidnapper may be, I believe one would no better than to let the child converse with strangers and give out their name. BTW I am in NJ. We do not routinely say we are from NJ/NY area. However, there is a strange colloquialism; If you live in eastern NJ, near NYC, people do say NJ, NY area. I am on the west - NJ/PA side. Oh that is rich!! I think this woman is making it up, duh, huh? Let me tell you if I kidnap a child,she is not talking to anyone, I mean really. So Zenaida let Caylee tell her name, talk about her dog and Zenaida offered where Caylee lived and she lived? I have a bridge I want to sell anyone who believes this dumb ass story.

[mu8shark]

LOL they do kind of resemble one another...

http://i37.tinypic.com/ogb6rk.jpghttp://i35.tinypic.com/29ysg77.jpg Yeah LOL the photo on the left looks like Cindy in 10 years and with 10 more years of dying her hair.

[mu8shark]

Now, now joe don't give them any ideas LOL. Joe, don't call Cindy or anything. She will do it!! LOL

[mu8shark]

Hi everyone, :seeya:

I normally lurk but when I read this post I just had to "unlurk" for a moment.
If my memory stands good, doesn't Cindy have Yorkies? According to the link, this Wanda lady lives in Florida, is it possible that they KNOW each other??? :confused: Nothing worse than an unethical breeder and now that we know what she does you may be onto something. Does Cindy know this woman in relation to where she got her dogs? Gee and I had such hope for the story. NOT! We need a vomit icon for some of these stories people tell that are obviously lies!

[mu8shark]

Hello Dan...

I agree completely about that. I'm concerned that there will be circumstantial evidence and not much more. They (LE) know the child is dead, but how will they prove Casey Anthony killed her? I'm right along with everyone here, waiting for them to do that. I'm looking at the same thing everyone else is looking at. (Unless I missed something)

Listing the proof/motive/circumstantial evidence is almost impossible at this point. Too many lies.

I'll start with:
1. When did Caylee really go missing. What day?
2. Why did Casey want to kill her own kid?
3. DNA found in trunk of car belonged to ????
4. Chloroform recipe sought online, on Casey's computer
5. The babysitter/nanny is invisible.
6. She doesn't work at Universal Studios in real life
7. She doesn't work anywhere in real life
8 She steals a lot
9. She didn't try to help find Caylee when LP bailed her out.
10. Cindy's brother is on to her and her daughter and there is a copy of his take on the whole Crap fest.

As far as I'm concerned the only thing that stays constant here is the planned confusion executed by both Cindy and Casey.

Anybody have any more to ad to this drama that is stranger then fiction?
Casey killed her kid because it was cramping her party style and she wanted to get back at her mother. I think the proof is in her constant texting and complaining about Caylee and Mommy duties. The dna in the trunk belongs to someone who has the same mitrochrondial dna as either Caylee or Casey and Casey is alive, so who does that leave? Also I would add to the evidence list that damned smell of a dead body., Remember Cindy, George, the tow yard guy, two cadaver dogs , a detective , the Body Farm and Casey Anthony in her own text messages all mentioned a dead smell. How I wonder will the defense satisfactorily explain that dead smell? Well it was not pizza, as there was no pizza and cadaver dogs do not hit on dead animals.

[sharlock]

OOOPS- someone ruffled CA's feathers

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2133


I know this sounds strange, but I have a theory on who the hacker may be. ((if there is one))
On the Topix message board there was a naysayer that didn’t believe that rick was in fact Cindy’s brother.
((saw the comments on the last document dump))
The naysayer wanted proof that it was in fact Cindy’s brother.
He asked him to give two answers to personal information regarding Cindy
Those questions being 1) What was your family pets name when you were a child ((answer buttons))
And 2) what elementary school did you and cindy go to?
Those seem to be two questions a yahoo account would ask to in fact get a new password in order to hack
her account??
The question would be for Cindy “what two questions did you tell yahoo to ask you if you lost your password”

I was just reading at the Daily BS and I thought this quote in the replies was a good comment, this and the fact that in the FBI interviews Cindy mentions what type of passwords she uses I guess means it sould have been easy to gain access to her account

[sharlock]

Hi everyone, :seeya:

I normally lurk but when I read this post I just had to "unlurk" for a moment.
If my memory stands good, doesn't Cindy have Yorkies? According to the link, this Wanda lady lives in Florida, is it possible that they KNOW each other??? :confused:
Good thinking! She is a piece of work and I wouldn't put it past them.

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[One2Snoop]

http://i35.tinypic.com/2ilizi1.jpg bahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Loretta!

[lorettalockhorn]

Yet amazingly they both still are FOS.

Ahem.

Welcome all new newbies and the newly unlurked! :seeya:

[Justice Denied?]

Hello Dan...

I agree completely about that. I'm concerned that there will be circumstantial evidence and not much more. They (LE) know the child is dead, but how will they prove Casey Anthony killed her? I'm right along with everyone here, waiting for them to do that. I'm looking at the same thing everyone else is looking at. (Unless I missed something)

Listing the proof/motive/circumstantial evidence is almost impossible at this point. Too many lies.

I'll start with:
1. When did Caylee really go missing. What day?
2. Why did Casey want to kill her own kid?
3. DNA found in trunk of car belonged to ????
4. Chloroform recipe sought online, on Casey's computer
5. The babysitter/nanny is invisible.
6. She doesn't work at Universal Studios in real life
7. She doesn't work anywhere in real life
8 She steals a lot
9. She didn't try to help find Caylee when LP bailed her out.
10. Cindy's brother is on to her and her daughter and there is a copy of his take on the whole Crap fest.

As far as I'm concerned the only thing that stays constant here is the planned confusion executed by both Cindy and Casey.

Anybody have any more to ad to this drama that is stranger then fiction?

ITA It just seems to me that what LE has is just a theory. Casey looked up chloroform on her computer, made some, killed her child, carried her around in the trunk and finally disposed of her body. But this is just a theory. I just hope they have a fantastic prosecution team who can present this in such a way they get a conviction.

[Justice Denied?]

There ya go Loretta! This has been in my mind all week! WHO kidnaps a child, and introduces her hostage and herself? Hello! Help me! I can't take it! :-\

Unless she sold the kid fair and square, but the kid walked back home, climbed in the trunk and just died there. Then she came back to life, went to the pool area and rubbed her hands on the grass, then went back to the car, got into the trunk and died again. Then the cow jumped over the F****** moon! The cat and the fiddle were living in the apartment that has been vacant since February.

(I'm doing an audition as a sociopath in Cindy's movie,, how am I doing?)

From what you just typed, I think you should go for the physophrenic(sp) part.
do you herar voices and see pink elephants and little green men also? LOL:):biggrin:

[Justice Denied?]

Joe, don't call Cindy or anything. She will do it!! LOL

would she really adopt a child or just get Zenaida to kidnap one for her?:D

[Twinners]

Welcome to all the newbies! :seeya:

Loretta - I am LMAO @ your pictures!

[mu8shark]

Yet amazingly they both still are FOS.

Ahem.

Welcome all new newbies and the newly unlurked! :seeya: Loretta you are too damned funny! LOL. Can you do colon cleanse and still be FOS LOL . I reckon these two whirley birds can. I recommend that Casey undergo this procedure at least twice a day, nothing else can save her!

[mu8shark]

ITA It just seems to me that what LE has is just a theory. Casey looked up chloroform on her computer, made some, killed her child, carried her around in the trunk and finally disposed of her body. But this is just a theory. I just hope they have a fantastic prosecution team who can present this in such a way they get a conviction. . Well of course it is just a theory.! In most cases there is no concrete proof, most cases have no confessions or eyewitnesses and most prosecutors just have a theory. . But I think the fact that she looked up neck breaking and chloroform and there was chloroform in that trunk and she looked up missing childrens sites and whoa what do you know her child is missing will be too coincidental for a jury. Remember the behavior evidence, think lots of jurors will be saying, oh sure if it was me, I would wait a month to report her, go shopping for booze and scanty panties and I would party like it was 1999, yeah that is so usual for someone terrified and worried about her child. Nearly all cases are circumstancial and in thirty years of following true crime, this has some of the best circumstancial evidence I have seen. Add to that, what about that smell? Think a jury is going to buy the pizza story or the story about the squirrels dying in there? Cadaver dogs do not hit on dead animals and certainly two dogs would not make the same error. Add to that her kidnapping story has been proved as bull s h i t. Also show the jury that there was a post mortem band on a hair that had either Caylee or Caseys's mitrochrondial dna . What do you have , something that smelled like a dead body, a hair that came from a dead body with someone in that familys dna and a missing three year old with a completely false story about her whereabouts and a mother who could care less. I find it convincing and think any juror who uses their common sense will see it convincing as well.

[mu8shark]

BINGO MOTIVE! "Casey killed her kid because it was cramping her party style and she wanted to get back at her mother."

The first half of that CAN be proven. It's a perfect. Home run, mu8shark!!!I totally agree the first part can be proven much easier than the second part. I am kind of hoping Caseys statement to Lee that she is spiteful B and the post on her my space, what is given can be taken away might at least go towards convicing a jury of the second part but it won't be easy, And of course it is helpful to remember that while juries love motive, the prosecution is not bound to prove one.

[Justice Denied?]

. Well of course it is just a theory.! In most cases there is no concrete proof, most cases have no confessions or eyewitnesses and most prosecutors just have a theory. . But I think the fact that she looked up neck breaking and chloroform and there was chloroform in that trunk and she looked up missing childrens sites and whoa what do you know her child is missing will be too coincidental for a jury. Remember the behavior evidence, think lots of jurors will be saying, oh sure if it was me, I would wait a month to report her, go shopping for booze and scanty panties and I would party like it was 1999, yeah that is so usual for someone terrified and worried about her child. Nearly all cases are circumstancial and in thirty years of following true crime, this has some of the best circumstancial evidence I have seen. Add to that, what about that smell? Think a jury is going to buy the pizza story or the story about the squirrels dying in there? Cadaver dogs do not hit on dead animals and certainly two dogs would not make the same error. Add to that her kidnapping story has been proved as bull s h i t. Also show the jury that there was a post mortem band on a hair that had either Caylee or Caseys's mitrochrondial dna . What do you have , something that smelled like a dead body, a hair that came from a dead body with someone in that familys dna and a missing three year old with a completely false story about her whereabouts and a mother who could care less. I find it convincing and think any juror who uses their common sense will see it convincing as well.

When you put it all together like that, it makes sense. Hope the prosecutor can do as well.

[mu8shark]

When you put it all together like that, it makes sense. Hope the prosecutor can do as well. I can't imagine what Baez is going to be able to do esp with Henry Lee who really has seen a bit of a downslide in his reputation in the last year and Kobe seems really wishy and weak and he should never have gone on NG so many times, He has made so many conflicting statements, that they will surely bring to light. The only fly in the ointment is Cindy with all these wild theories. However, if she tries to testify they will really go at her credibility because she has lied and dodged so much.

[samanthajane13]

Take the jury on a field-trip to the local morgue, and then take them to Casey's car, and let them smell her trunk.

They WILL CONVICT!!!

When I was studying to be a dental assistant, they took our class to the University of Buffalo's Medical School cadaver room to teach us about facial anatomy.

The smell of a corpse-even preserved-is a smell you NEVER FORGET.

Even with Vapo-Rub under our noses, the stench was all-pervasive. My dogs went NUTS when I walked in that evening, and they weren't trained as cadaver dogs.

[Mac]

Take the jury on a field-trip to the local morgue, and then take them to Casey's car, and let them smell her trunk.

They WILL CONVICT!!!

When I was studying to be a dental assistant, they took our class to the University of Buffalo's Medical School cadaver room to teach us about facial anatomy.

The smell of a corpse-even preserved-is a smell you NEVER FORGET.

Even with Vapo-Rub under our noses, the stench was all-pervasive. My dogs went NUTS when I walked in that evening, and they weren't trained as cadaver dogs.

I agree wit you about the smell. When I was active duty Marine back in the 80's, I went through Medic Classes and we used a cadaver to practice a lot of things. That smell is indescribable. And like you said, that was a fully preserved body. I spent some time in Grenada and Panama and I remember during a SO drill we where dripped into an area that was pretty remote. And we all smelled that smell. We found a body that had been thrown out into a swampy area. THAT SMELL YOU NEVER FORGET. Just like everyone that says the same thing....you don't forget that smell...there is nothing else like it. That is why when Cindy kept going back to the pizza theory, it did not wash with me.

I keep going back to my amateur evaluation of this PR campaign that the Anthony's are trying to sell. They Know caylee is dead, and they know Casey had a hand in it. They are all trying to take the attention away from a dead Caylee and come up with these false sightings. It helps Casey's case because it might pollute a jury pool, and it might raise reasonable doubt.

It is all a sham

[Mac]

Welcome to all the newbies! :seeya:

Loretta - I am LMAO @ your pictures!


Me too...Wlecome to all the lurkers and newbies....like me!

[Mac]

You're a good lawyer Mu. It's clear, even in theory that Casey did away with her daughter. I worry about the one juror who makes up the majority who comes up with ("BUT!")

BUT- there is no proof.
BUT- there is no proven time line
BUT- there is no body
But- someone else could have put the body there
But- she could be protecting her family
But- liars don't make killers
But-
But-
If Casey gets out on a technicality I'll spit.



I can't see it.....I still think that the FBI and the OCSO is still holding back a lot of info. IMO they are waiting for Baez to tip his hand a little. The problem is going to try to seat a jury for this one. If The Anthony's keep out there spewing their lies, it will get even tougher. IMO

[Gatordog]

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Loretta, you are just too funny! I would hate to get on you bad side, but then, I'm sure you don't have one.

Only question is, why is Cindy still so full of cr*p? I think she needs another colon cleanse.

[Gatordog]

Take the jury on a field-trip to the local morgue, and then take them to Casey's car, and let them smell her trunk.

They WILL CONVICT!!!

When I was studying to be a dental assistant, they took our class to the University of Buffalo's Medical School cadaver room to teach us about facial anatomy.

The smell of a corpse-even preserved-is a smell you NEVER FORGET.

Even with Vapo-Rub under our noses, the stench was all-pervasive. My dogs went NUTS when I walked in that evening, and they weren't trained as cadaver dogs.

Yes - you are right. My nephew is in medical school and in his first year, he had gross anatomy. He said he would shower afterwards, change his clothes, shoes, everything, and he still smelled of the "atmosphere" of the class. We had to send him baking soda by the pound for him to do his laundry.

[Gatordog]

There was absolutely no news at all on the case on any of the local channels either yesterday or today. Fox Channel is the only one who broadcast the report from Wendy. I guess all the other channels passed on it knowing the police had already checked the AirTran flight and found no evidence that Caylee was on that flight. So, with everything quieting down in the news, expect Cindy to come up with another stupid story so she can get her face in the dreaded media again.

You know, I was ready the previous posts regarding enough evidence to convict the killer. Two things came up - almost everyone here in Florida has at one time or another hit an animal with their car, armadillo, possum, raccoon or squirrel. I've smelled a dead skunk on the road for days, but that was on the road. We know that hitting an animal does not leave a stink for days or even one day. Any animal that crawls into an engine can crawl out - they don't get stuck there and die. I had a possum in my engine once and couldn't drive my car all day until it decided to leave. So, I don't think the jury will buy any of those theories. Plus, if I did have a stink in my car, (which I did once from a can of dog food which exploded in the heat) you would clean out your car immediately. You don't leave the stink in there to get worse and then abandon your car.

Also, a lot of juries have found guilty people either not guilty or hung jury. Those trials did not involve children. I think when a child is the victim, the jury is weighs the evidence in favor of the prosecution.

Gator

[Mac]

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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did I miss this post!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PERFECT!!

[Mac]

Waiting patiently for them to be posted

Looks like all her jail house visits

[Gatordog]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html

http://www.local6.com/news/18203172/detail.html

Details on tapes being released.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Oh my goodness - on the channel 6 clip they show Casey and her parents when they first get to talk and Casey is laughing and greeting them as if she just came back from vacaton or something. :flamemad: Laughing, until her mother sort of sets her straight. Then she starts crying because "she looks like hell".

[Mac]

Oh my goodness - on the channel 6 clip they show Casey and her parents when they first get to talk and Casey is laughing and greeting them as if she just came back from vacaton or something. :flamemad: Laughing, until her mother sort of sets her straight. Then she starts crying because "she looks like hell".


It is astounding......then when asked about the car.....she clams up and says she has to watch what she says because it is being recorded. The when Cindy asks if the family is in danger....she gives the same response....

I smell Baez in the wings!!! Coaching her!!!

[Gatordog]

It is astounding......then when asked about the car.....she clams up and says she has to watch what she says because it is being recorded. The when Cindy asks if the family is in danger....she gives the same response....

I smell Baez in the wings!!! Coaching her!!!

Hey Mac, I just noticed "home of manatees, gators, snakes and the Anthonys. If you're going to mention the Anthonys, you might as well add Palmetto bugs! :D For those of who who are not "in the know", Palmetto bugs are the biggest, ugliest, flying cockroaches you have ever seen. When one lands on someone, you know it by the scream. Yep, I'd include them with the Anthonys. :tongue:

[Mac]

Hey Mac, I just noticed "home of manatees, gators, snakes and the Anthonys. If you're going to mention the Anthonys, you might as well add Palmetto bugs! :D For those of who who are not "in the know", Palmetto bugs are the biggest, ugliest, flying cockroaches you have ever seen. When one lands on someone, you know it by the scream. Yep, I'd include them with the Anthonys. :tongue:


I just edited my Sig....thanks.....And they are the biggest Cockroaches you could ever want to chase out of your home. And Cindy ranks right up there with them!

Funny though....when the snowbirds come down....the all call them cockroaches.....us southeners know that when they get in your home, it has nothing to do with cleanliness, someone usually left the garage door open....and they get in...Whats worst is when you get a black racer in the house.....my daughters hed for the hills.....damn I hate snakes!

[Gatordog]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jail-tapes-120408,0,3886222.story

Here are a few more clips. She goofs up and uses the past tense a few times when referring to Caylee and then corrects herself. Cracks me up when Cindy says Casey is a lot like her. Like I said, "Crooked Trees grow Crooked Branches).

Gator

[One2Snoop]

from the channel 6 clip...

"I'm protecting our family, yes. Not from anything that I've done," Casey Anthony said.
"Is someone threatening us?" Cindy Anthony asked.

"Mom, just leave it at that, please," Casey Anthony replied. "Because this is recorded, and I don't know who's going to see things, and they're going to misconstrue whatever else, like I said, there's things that I directly need to say each of you."

She's protecting her family but its not from anything she's done. Hmmmm, ok :rolleyes: That makes no sense whatsoever but then again consider whose mouth it came out of.

[One2Snoop]

Birds of a feather :chicken: :chicken:

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-jail-tapes-120408,0,3886222.story

[Gatordog]

from the channel 6 clip...

"I'm protecting our family, yes. Not from anything that I've done," Casey Anthony said.
"Is someone threatening us?" Cindy Anthony asked.

"Mom, just leave it at that, please," Casey Anthony replied. "Because this is recorded, and I don't know who's going to see things, and they're going to misconstrue whatever else, like I said, there's things that I directly need to say each of you."

She's protecting her family but its not from anything she's done. Hmmmm, ok :rolleyes: That makes no sense whatsoever but then again consider whose mouth it came out of.

She's protecting her family. :eek: The first person she needed to protect was Caylee. If she was taken, I really don't think the grandparents would be concerned with their safety before getting their little girl returned.

I wish Orange County would box the five DVD's which total about 5 hours into a gift box set. They could use the revenue to pay for the trial. I'd buy it in a heart beat. :rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

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http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8001791&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[lorettalockhorn]

She's protecting her family. :eek: The first person she needed to protect was Caylee. If she was taken, I really don't think the grandparents would be concerned with their safety before getting their little girl returned.

I wish Orange County would box the five DVD's which total about 5 hours into a gift box set. They could use the revenue to pay for the trial. I'd buy it in a heart beat. :rolleyes:

LMFAO I'd buy it too. Not to watch or listen to Batgirl, but just to make a contribution. :beer:

[One2Snoop]

She's protecting her family. :eek: The first person she needed to protect was Caylee. If she was taken, I really don't think the grandparents would be concerned with their safety before getting their little girl returned.

I wish Orange County would box the five DVD's which total about 5 hours into a gift box set. They could use the revenue to pay for the trial. I'd buy it in a heart beat. :rolleyes:

LOL, not sure I could sit there and listen to Cindy for that long. OMG! I can't get over how they treat her with kid gloves and then they believe what she spews. grrrrrrrrr. :flamemad:

[Mac]

She's protecting her family. :eek: The first person she needed to protect was Caylee. If she was taken, I really don't think the grandparents would be concerned with their safety before getting their little girl returned.

I wish Orange County would box the five DVD's which total about 5 hours into a gift box set. They could use the revenue to pay for the trial. I'd buy it in a heart beat. :rolleyes:



WFTV had Has the first 20 minutes up

http://www.wftv.com/video/18205452/index.html


And all I can say is.............What a SPOILED LITTLE *****!!!!!!!!!!!....The parents never asked her any tough questions...none!!!!

My Lord!!!!!!!!!.....She says she is staying away from the news, And she is still shoveling out the Zanny Crap!!......Unbelievable!!

She's protecting the family?????????? WTF!!!???? Casey says "Let it be for now...." Cindy says..."OK, I trust you" WTF

And why havent you picked up the car.....Sorry mom..this is recorded.....again WTF????

[Mac]

She's mad at Tony for not coming to see her?????????/ When will this madness end!!!

ANd all she has to say to Amy is that She is sorry???

WOW! What a screwed up chick!!!

[Mac]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=geogeandcasey_120420080159&cat=CAC&title=George%20Visits%20Casey%20At%20Jail


This video is a heartbreaker folks......George almost loses it....And Casey Keeps lying.....WHat a gal!

[Woostock]

Mac said" It helps Casey's case because it might pollute a jury pool, and it might raise reasonable doubt."
I think that pretty much sums up what Cindy has in mind; alas, it might just backfire however. But there is no doubt in my mind that she , conniver that she is, has this plan.

[samanthajane13]

Hey Mac-

Welcome to CL!!!

And what's with this???

"Home of Manatees, snakes, gators, palmetto bugs, and the Anthony's"

Why would you want to pick on the poor manatees, snakes and gators by limping them in the with palmetto bugs and the Anthonys??

All those poor critters are absolutely cuddly next to the bugs and the A-holes.

What did they ever do to you???

Just kidding-welcome again!!!

[Mac]

hey mac-

welcome to cl!!!

And what's with this???

"home of manatees, snakes, gators, palmetto bugs, and the anthony's"

why would you want to pick on the poor manatees, snakes and gators by limping them in the with palmetto bugs and the anthonys??

All those poor critters are absolutely cuddly next to the bugs and the a-holes.

What did they ever do to you???

Just kidding-welcome again!!!

thanks!!....lol

[Mac]

Here's another thing I noticed......George's parenting style is to build up his kids self-esteem......Thats all he did during the interviews....nothing more.

Maybe that is where Casey's brain got wired wrong......"I am the best, the prettiest, etc"

Then after Casey said to him..."Here is your F$%#$%^ gas cans, he tells her how much he misses her and how much he misses hugging her...

Never once did he beat on her for info

Just a thought

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey Mac-

Welcome to CL!!!

And what's with this???

"Home of Manatees, snakes, gators, palmetto bugs, and the Anthony's"

Why would you want to pick on the poor manatees, snakes and gators by limping them in the with palmetto bugs and the Anthonys??

All those poor critters are absolutely cuddly next to the bugs and the A-holes.

What did they ever do to you???

Just kidding-welcome again!!!

hehehe Snakes and Anthonys is redundant and repetitive. :hat:

[Mac]

This is too sick for words. That little F!&!ing B&$#CH!!!!! She's a monster.


Now listening to her talk to her parents.....she is the little princess that could do no wrong in her fathers eyes.....and in cindy's eyes it was much of the same, except she was the hammer, if you want to call it that

[Mac]

I almost lost my lunch right after she wailed out, HIIIIIYEEE!!!! Yeah, what a gal!

I did too......thank god the doc put me on some new pain pills.......I was numb watching the video!

And yes.....What a Gal!

[joekuhl79]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html

http://www.local6.com/news/18203172/detail.html

Details on tapes being released.

Gator


Here's what I noticed:

Very early into it, Cindy asks Casey about a picture with Caylee and a drum set...she asks if that picture was taken at Zannys...Casey doesn't answer. Cindy asks again. Casey says 'her apartment is set up the same" - or something like that. I think Cindy asks her a third time if the picture was TAKEN at ZAnnys/was THAT Zannys apartment. Casey never gave a straight answer!

[Mac]

She is just a little animal who controlled that house. I think Daddy is terrified of her and mommy hates her with a passion. They had only Caylee to love and she got them by killing what they love. She has zero remorse. It's very frightening to watch. She makes Charlie Manson look like an angel. She's dark alright.

I Googled Sociopath and her name came up in the site list. She's already a poster child for Sociopath behavior.

After watching her and after all the analyzing I did, I feel so furious now and I didn't want to get that way. But I'm in the club with those who are likening her with bugs and snakes. She should be put in lock down for the rest of her filthy life. She's wasting good air other people could be using. I'd love to see NG's show tonight and get her take on it.. She's going to peel her apart. She makes SH*T look pretty. That poor little child.. Dear God why do you give children to these people!!!!!!!!!!

You hit the nail right on the head.......Great post!

[Justice Denied?]

I can't see it.....I still think that the FBI and the OCSO is still holding back a lot of info. IMO they are waiting for Baez to tip his hand a little. The problem is going to try to seat a jury for this one. If The Anthony's keep out there spewing their lies, it will get even tougher. IMO

I don't think seating a jury will be that big a problem. All they have to do is swear that they will base their decision on what the hear in court, not what they may have seen or heard elsewhere. I am just afraid they will find her not guilty or hang,ie OJ.

It may be one of those cases where she is guilty and they know she is guilty but they just can't put enough together to prove it. Hope not, but it's happened before.

[Mac]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18206288/index.html



7-30 Part 1

Casey says ..Good Morning and laughs!!....Like she doesn't have a care in the world.

Then George and Cindy show off the shirts.....Cindy tells Casey Annie made them ...and Casey responds Annie is awesome...she is the best

Wait a minute....The last interview with Lee, She told Lee she can't trust Annie and she cannot talk to her...Storied getting mixed up

"How are you" ..."I'm Great!"......these 3 are talking like they don't have a care in the world.

Also she prefaces every statement with the fact she wants to get out of jail...it is killing her....But......It's all about Casey!....SHe's trying to play the parents to post bond or work some miracle!

" I went to the courthouse and met 2 ladies and had a lot of laughs...And it's better not to think about this"

FOR A GIRL THAT DID NOT SPEND MUCH OF THE 2 MOTHS AT THE ANTHONY HOME....DAMN SHE HAD A REVALATION AND NOW SHE WANTS TO BE WITH MOM AND DAD!!!

Sorry for the caps....but this is pissing me off!

[Woostock]

You betcha!! Casey was in control. But those fools let her....I have seen families that take the path of least resistance and let their kids run the show and believe me it never turns out good. But of course this is an extreme case. And in spite of it all the parents are not reading her the riot act and may never. This is a good lesson for parents who abdicate their parenting roll and acquiese to their kids. You can see where it got Cindy and George. The irony is they went to a counselor and yet they didn't follow the advice she gave them if indeed she did say to get custody of Caylee. A real pathological family---

[Mac]

Here is another thing missing from these videos......

Did Casey ever ask her parents if they have found anything or any new leads, or anything?????

It's always The parents letting her know what is going on

[lighthousedazy]

Here is another thing missing from these videos......

Did Casey ever ask her parents if they have found anything or any new leads, or anything?????

It's always The parents letting her know what is going onVery strange. If I were not guilty of anything, I would be begging on my hands and knees. jmo :shrug:

[sharlock]

I found the bit where Cindy asked about the room in the phot very telling. At first she just asks if Zanny has a drum set and Casey says yes continuing the lie she had told Cindy earlier that the room with the drum set in the photo is Zanny's. When Cindy lets her know that she is aware who's room it really is and wants to know if that is Zanny's room (because Cindy thinks Zanny is a pseudonym for whoever really has Casey) Casey immediately start to cover herself and protect the lie by saying 'Oh no that is Ricardo's room in that photo' (Cindy and Georges face are priceless here, they are shocked) BUT Zanny's apartment is set up a lot like Ricardo's as if she is already preparing to defend the fact she had lied about the picture; she is telling them now that they are similar so she can say if directly asked that she must have got confused when she told them that was Zanny's apartment, because they are so alike...Gag....
Truthfully this should have been the red flag that Cindy has been searching for. She gave Casey every chance to bolster Cindy's own delusion that Casey was covering for someone else and referring to them as Zanny, she quite rightly assumed that if that was the case then the room she was told was Zanny's would have been a clue to who Casey really was talking about so she asked in a way that would have let Casey confirm that for her without anyone listening in to be any the wiser about who they were talking about. So by saying 'No that room is Ricardo's' she is showing her Mum that she just plain lied about that room by mentioning his name out loud she shows her belief that there is nothing to fear from Ricardo and he doesn't have Caylee and this should have got Cindy thinking about the flaws in her theory. Should have!?

[Justice Denied?]

hehehe Snakes and Anthonys is redundant and repetitive. :hat:

Loretta,

There you are again making everyone laugh in the midst of a horrible, horrific story. Hope you realize what a blessing you are to each of us and how much we enjoy your wit and humor.

[Justice Denied?]

Here is another thing missing from these videos......

Did Casey ever ask her parents if they have found anything or any new leads, or anything?????

It's always The parents letting her know what is going on

That really stands out! She NEVER asks. I would be frantic. "What do you know? What have you heard?" Course I wouldn't be in jail in the first place!:flamemad::flamemad:

[Mac]

That really stands out! She NEVER asks. I would be frantic. "What do you know? What have you heard?" Course I wouldn't be in jail in the first place!:flamemad::flamemad:


A few common threads in ALL the videos

1} She never asks if there are any new leads in the case

2} She never asks what the police are doing to find her

3} Every tape begins with a very cheery, happy, not a care in the world, HELLO!!!

4} Since the date of the tapes, we all read the transcripts from all her friends. She is still lying at a pretty good pace, even though she is in handcuffs. The chick has great follow through!!

5) She is scared to death of Lee. Every question she answered, every time she had a chance she praised him. Again...no questions as to what LE is doing to find her daughter.

6} The father is a worm with no b@lls. His mission in life is to praise his daughter, and bow to his wife.

7} Notice how Cindy kept telling Casey to pick her head up, so she could see her eyes when she is talking. Cindy is a cold, hard B@tch. This proves it. She rules the roost in that house.

8} Cindy is tiptoeing around the questions she asked, she knows the truth, she doesn't want the truth to be found out.

9} George tried to get some facts, Casey always went back to the same defense...Can't answer that question, not over the phone..only in writing....My bet is she never wrote anything to her folks to address their questions

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta,

There you are again making everyone laugh in the midst of a horrible, horrific story. Hope you realize what a blessing you are to each of us and how much we enjoy your wit and humor.

Hope y'all know that I mean no disrespect to anyone here. But I would go all Anthoid if I didn't poke some fun at the freaks who have attached themselves to this case. Poor, poor Caylee. It breaks my heart that she is better off now that she is out of the clutches of her family.

It's gonna take me a month of Sundays to slog through those videos; wish someone would make a transcript. Oh! NG is ripping Casey a new one tonight! HAHAHAHA George calls her gorgeous. Now we know why he isn't a reconstructive/plastic surgeon.

[wind149]

Mac, you know it!! I worked in LE and that smell is like nothing else. Not even a dead animal will smell that bad. And the smell will even cling to your clothes, I remember my LT and a newbie went to do a welfare check on a 95 year old man whose daughter had not heard from him and as they approached the house, they could hear what sounded like 1,000 flies and as they got to the door, they knew he was dead. They found him in a chair crawling with maggots and they estimate the TOD at about Tuesday and this was a Saturday and also had been very hot and humid. I called the ME, and he pronounced him and later on at the office they come in just reeking and I was ready to hurl! I made them pitch their uniforms and take showers and I remember the newbie was a nice shade of green and says to me "it looked like he just melted" Even after they left, it still reeked for awhile as it just permeates everything and for the car trunk to be still reeking, that child was in there for many days and ITA that she killed her because she cramped her partying and because I feel she was jealous of the attention that C got from Mommy and Daddy. A guy in FL made at his girlfriend dropped her daughter in a gator pond and the child was eaten and he got the DP and this stemmed from the attention she gave the child and not him. Apparently jealously was also a motive in the Hudson murders as well. As far as a jury proving her guilty? The grand jury had no qualms handing her a capital murder charge and all the jailhouse tapes, texts, net searches, her many lies, her lack of emotion is gonna bite her in the ass on the way to the death house and I am looking forward to the trial and I am blown away how quick the DA wants this trial to start, she could be sitting on DR by February!!!

[Mac]

Hope y'all know that I mean no disrespect to anyone here. But I would go all Anthoid if I didn't poke some fun at the freaks who have attached themselves to this case. Poor, poor Caylee. It breaks my heart that she is better off now that she is out of the clutches of her family.

It's gonna take me a month of Sundays to slog through those videos; wish someone would make a transcript. Oh! NG is ripping Casey a new one tonight! HAHAHAHA George calls her gorgeous. Now we know why he isn't a reconstructive/plastic surgeon.



Loretta

We all have to poke some fun at these people...if we didnt we would burst!!

NG is Really ripping her apart

[mu8shark]

There was absolutely no news at all on the case on any of the local channels either yesterday or today. Fox Channel is the only one who broadcast the report from Wendy. I guess all the other channels passed on it knowing the police had already checked the AirTran flight and found no evidence that Caylee was on that flight. So, with everything quieting down in the news, expect Cindy to come up with another stupid story so she can get her face in the dreaded media again.

You know, I was ready the previous posts regarding enough evidence to convict the killer. Two things came up - almost everyone here in Florida has at one time or another hit an animal with their car, armadillo, possum, raccoon or squirrel. I've smelled a dead skunk on the road for days, but that was on the road. We know that hitting an animal does not leave a stink for days or even one day. Any animal that crawls into an engine can crawl out - they don't get stuck there and die. I had a possum in my engine once and couldn't drive my car all day until it decided to leave. So, I don't think the jury will buy any of those theories. Plus, if I did have a stink in my car, (which I did once from a can of dog food which exploded in the heat) you would clean out your car immediately. You don't leave the stink in there to get worse and then abandon your car.

Also, a lot of juries have found guilty people either not guilty or hung jury. Those trials did not involve children. I think when a child is the victim, the jury is weighs the evidence in favor of the prosecution.

GatorI totally agree on all counts. Most of us has been around squirrels and you know they would not stay in a car engine , which by the way would be in the front of the car not the trunk area. But a squirrel who got curious enough about an engine, the moment it started would be gone. They don't like loud noises and even when you walk around them they take off. I have said all along how in the world are they going to explain that dead smell? Even without the forensics, a child is missing and there is the smell of a dead body in Casey's trunk. . Unless Dr Lee gets up there LOL and says it is a Swanson meatloaf or whatever the hell he was talking about, in which case his rep will go the rest of the way down the toilet. And the other thing about someone else putting her there, the defense can't just throw that out there and shrug it could be anybody, the postman, the neighbor, a boyfriend, they have to have a nexus, a believable alternate theory other than all we know is it ain't Casey. Juries don't like scattershot theories. So pointing to the smell being there because someone else killed her is still going to be problematic. Also on her being a child, I think you are so right. I think in trials where it is adults, a defense attorney can paint the victim as cruel and a cheating scoundrel or whatever and a juror might start leaning the defense's way. It is not right because nobody deserves to be murdered by it is why defense attorneys attack the victim. What are they going to say with a three year old, she purposely spilled her milk , wouldn't you kill her too? She was a little snothead? I know I am being sarcastic but I think you get the drift. It is going to be much more difficult with a child as the victim.

[mu8shark]

She's protecting her family. :eek: The first person she needed to protect was Caylee. If she was taken, I really don't think the grandparents would be concerned with their safety before getting their little girl returned.

I wish Orange County would box the five DVD's which total about 5 hours into a gift box set. They could use the revenue to pay for the trial. I'd buy it in a heart beat. :rolleyes: Wouldn't that be just the funniest thing ever a box set? They could put all the Anthony interviews together and call it Lies, Flies and P-whipped guys.

[mu8shark]

I didn't watch all the videos because I was counting on the info here, which I got! Thanks for the list Mac.. I love lists, especially when I can't wrap my head around something.

Can you elaborate on number 8? Thanks. (I know what you mean but I want your take on it.) That is some list. Really good work. Here is my thing, if it were my child I would be spending my time in jail trying to remember every step Zenaida took, every phone number she had, every person she talked to and their phone number. Why doesn't she ever offer up , try this number Mom and her sister lived at such and such address or worked for this company, try calling her sister there. The mother spent some time at such and such place, try that. But there is nothing, zilch, nada, butkis. I also think it is weird she is worried about her image, ie I don't hear anyone saying this about me or that about me. And even the vainest person would not be worried about how they looked if they thought their child was in danger. I mean who gives a flying F how she looks? It is just weird. What was Cindy asking her about why Caylee never got in the car? I did not quite get that, can someone fill me in on that?

[mu8shark]

Here's what I noticed:

Very early into it, Cindy asks Casey about a picture with Caylee and a drum set...she asks if that picture was taken at Zannys...Casey doesn't answer. Cindy asks again. Casey says 'her apartment is set up the same" - or something like that. I think Cindy asks her a third time if the picture was TAKEN at ZAnnys/was THAT Zannys apartment. Casey never gave a straight answer! I relistened to that part and actually at the end of that convo Cindy says because I know whose apartment that is and she says Ricardo's and Casey says yes it looks alot like Zannys. So she almost slipped up and said yes, that is her apartment in the photo but Cindy knew better and stopped her. So she covered by saying oh yes the apartments are similiar. Also what babysitter or nanny buys a tons of clothes, toys, diapers,etc? Maybe they might have toys at their house for the kids to play with but to just go out and buy everything, what a load of crap.

[mu8shark]

You're doing a great job of UN confusing me. I hear what you're saying. You're right.Did I tell you I loved your list? I hope my confidence is not misplaced and the prosecution does not mess up. I hope they unconfuse the jury. LOL.Should I send them some ideas? I am kidding. I am sure they have competent people. I esp have faith in the FBI. Oh hell , I just realized that was Mac's list. sorry. Okay Mac I liked your list.

[mu8shark]

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/12/casey_anthony_jail_visitation.php. You gotta go look at this article. It is a body language expert's take on the whole family . She looked at all the jail tapes. By the way there is a part in there evidently where Casey says she does not LE involved, She wants Lee to control the investigation :eek: Still trying to be the manipulative B I T C H and she knows she can't manipulate LE. By the way her crying makes me sick. You know why she is crying, because she killed to get her freedom and now the irony is that she is told when she can take a shower, what she can read, when she can talk on the phone, presented with a list of what she can order to eat , what she can wear. I mean, the irony is just rich. It must be unbearable for this lazy, conniving, selfish jerk of a girl to have to do what others tell her. Think of it, no trips to the movies, to Target on stolen checks,, no vacations, no sex with boyfriends, nothing. Okay now I feel a little better. Sigh.

[mu8shark]

That is some list. Really good work. Here is my thing, if it were my child I would be spending my time in jail trying to remember every step Zenaida took, every phone number she had, every person she talked to and their phone number. Why doesn't she ever offer up , try this number Mom and her sister lived at such and such address or worked for this company, try calling her sister there. The mother spent some time at such and such place, try that. But there is nothing, zilch, nada, butkis. I also think it is weird she is worried about her image, ie I don't hear anyone saying this about me or that about me. And even the vainest person would not be worried about how they looked if they thought their child was in danger. I mean who gives a flying F how she looks? It is just weird. What was Cindy asking her about why Caylee never got in the car? I did not quite get that, can someone fill me in on that? I relistened to this part about the car and Cindy did not ask her why Caylee never got in the car, she asks her why she never got a chance to get the car? And of course, this is something Casey can't talk about.

[browneyes106]

I relistened to that part and actually at the end of that convo Cindy says because I know whose apartment that is and she says Ricardo's and Casey says yes it looks alot like Zannys. So she almost slipped up and said yes, that is her apartment in the photo but Cindy knew better and stopped her. So she covered by saying oh yes the apartments are similiar. Also what babysitter or nanny buys a tons of clothes, toys, diapers,etc? Maybe they might have toys at their house for the kids to play with but to just go out and buy everything, what a load of crap.

I agree with you about the part about it being crap about Casey saying that Zanny had stuff for Caylee. My friend's mom had a babysitting business at her house for a lot of years and she would buy toys for kids to play with every couple of years when stuff got broken or too dirty.

[mu8shark]

Jail Releases Videos Of Casey Anthony Visitations
Thursday, December 4, 2008 – updated: 6:27 pm EST December 4, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Shocking new videos were released Thursday in the case against Casey Anthony. With each visit, Casey's parents Cindy and George appeared to be getting more and more desperate, more distraught, but Casey seemed to get more lighthearted, making jokes and talking about the laughs she's been having.

Casey's parents desperately tried to get her to talk, to write letters, to talk to investigators. She put them off, made excuses and made promises she did not keep. The jail released videos of them visiting Casey on July 25 and July 30.


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» Lee Anthony July 28 Part 1 | Part 2
» Parents July 30 Part 1 | Part 2
» George August 3 Part 1 | Part 2

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"We're going to see her little face again," Cindy said.

"I pray to God everyday that we do," Casey said.

Casey Anthony gave her parents the description of the nanny, Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, who Casey says took off with Caylee, but the Anthonys never released that description and neither did Casey's defense attorney, even though Casey says she asked him to get an artist to work up a sketch.

"I don't care what I have to do. I would steal to get her back," Casey told her mom.

"Casey, we have to find her before her third birthday," Cindy said. "I don't want to wait another minute."

"I want her to be found, whether I'm stuck in here or not. I don't care," Casey said.

But Casey made constant excuses about why she couldn't tell them more and kept insinuating she could do more if they could bond her out. Casey left abruptly when her mother confronted her with Detective Yuri Melich's suspicions.

"Yuri has it set in his mind, he thinks you've done something to Caylee," Cindy told Casey, but Casey then abruptly got up and when she came back the conversation changed direction.

Casey also told her parents Caylee's disappearance had nothing to do with drugs and nothing to do with anyone she's stolen from.


LEE TALKS ABOUT ATTORNEY DURING VISIT


Lee Anthony made it very clear everything they said would be recorded and he also made it clear exactly how Jose Baez became her attorney.

"How are you?" Lee asked during the late July visit.

"Oh man, I don't want to start crying," Casey said.

In the jailhouse visit on July 28, Lee Anthony encouraged Casey to share important information in letters directly to the family or even directly to law enforcement without going through her attorney, Jose Baez.

"I don't have anything against him, but I want you to realize, if you try to reach out, he might not be giving us this information," Lee said. "The truth is, the most important thing for him, his first focus, is himself."

Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney.

"And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm lik, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.

Lee pressed Casey about which of her friends he could trust. Ironically, she mentioned Amy Huizenga, the former friend Casey's accused of stealing from.

"She's one of the most genuine people," Casey said.

When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know.

"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.


Previous Stories:
December 2, 2008: Anthonys Have Yet To Report Email Hacking Claims To Police
December 2, 2008: Casey Defense Team Member Predicts Trial Delay
December 1, 2008: Cindy Anthony Says Someone Hacked Her Email Account
December 1, 2008: Casey, Caylee Anthony 2nd Most Searched News Story On Yahoo
November 28, 2008: George Refuses To Give Up Hope That Caylee Is Alive
November 27, 2008: Casey Documents Talk Of Chloroform, Neck-Breaking And Incest

[browneyes106]

Take the jury on a field-trip to the local morgue, and then take them to Casey's car, and let them smell her trunk.

They WILL CONVICT!!!

When I was studying to be a dental assistant, they took our class to the University of Buffalo's Medical School cadaver room to teach us about facial anatomy.

The smell of a corpse-even preserved-is a smell you NEVER FORGET.

Even with Vapo-Rub under our noses, the stench was all-pervasive. My dogs went NUTS when I walked in that evening, and they weren't trained as cadaver dogs.

Very true. My dad served in Vietnam and part of his duties were recovering and transporting bodies. He said the smell always stayed with him and about 15 years later my dad was taking an anatomy class at a community college and one day they wheeled in a cadaver to a storage room while my dad was in class and he smelled it right away and looked into the hallway and saw the gurney. A couple of days later the class went looked over at the cadaver. I think they prosecution could even take the jury to a medical school or college to give them the smell of death.

[mu8shark]

One of the most disgusting things about these tapes are the way Cindy and George keep pandering to her and Cindy keeps saying, every time she does not get an answer to her relevant questions, I trust you, I trust you. You know she doesn't trust her at all. And that smile of Casey's face throughout some of these tapes makes me want to http://i37.tinypic.com/2466dty.gif

[One2Snoop]

NANCY GRACE

More Casey Anthony Jail House Tapes Released
Aired December 4, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html

[TLC]

I think Leonard was sincere when he made that offer, he knows how self centered she is. My question is do they even have bail with a murder charge? NG said something about death penalty but she never addressed that. Also, the part where casey says they were good grandparents then quickly add they ARE is most telling to me, she refers to caylee in the past tense when she gets complacent in her lies.

[Gatordog]

Wouldn't that be just the funniest thing ever a box set? They could put all the Anthony interviews together and call it Lies, Flies and P-whipped guys.

LOL - I'm in tears over that one. :biggrin:

[Gatordog]

I agree with you about the part about it being crap about Casey saying that Zanny had stuff for Caylee. My friend's mom had a babysitting business at her house for a lot of years and she would buy toys for kids to play with every couple of years when stuff got broken or too dirty.

And don't forget, this babysitter did it for free, no money just the pure joy of spending everyday taking care of someone else's child. Buying a full wardrobe, shoes, diapers, toys, a car seat. Then the liar says that Zenaida has a lot of money. I don't care how much money a 26 year old woman has, she is not going to use up all her time and money babysitting someone else's child especially when she isn't a relative. If Zenaida had all this money, she wouldn't have spend so much time (fake time) moving from one person's apartment to another apartment and she wouldn't have had roommates.

Now we can see her falling over her lies. Problem is, Mommy is there to keep her from hitting the ground and Daddy catches both of them.

[Gatordog]

I think Leonard was sincere when he made that offer, he knows how self centered she is. My question is do they even have bail with a murder charge? NG said something about death penalty but she never addressed that. Also, the part where casey says they were good grandparents then quickly add they ARE is most telling to me, she refers to caylee in the past tense when she gets complacent in her lies.

There was no bond with the charges she was presented with during the hearing. It's first degree so no bond. Perhaps as Padilla said if she would tell where she put the body, prehaps the DA would agree to dropping the first degree charges and would accept $1 Million in bond.

[Gatordog]

Yes TLC, that past tense remark might hang her. But, she is a pro at twisting things around and pretending she was in distress and that's why she said that, and all that rot. As far as I gather, her bail bond is 500K, so yes, she is able to get bailed out.
If I'm wrong, I don't know. I got that from her remark about Caylee's reward was "half her bond amount"

Good morning.
:)

$500K bond was for the child neglect charges. She had additional bond of about $2500 for the check fraud charges. After the third arrest for murder, there was no bond available for that charge.

[One2Snoop]

Psychologist Reviews Videos Of Casey Anthony Visitations
Friday, December 5, 2008 – updated: 10:32 am EST December 5, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Shocking new videos were released Thursday in the case against Casey Anthony. With each visit, Casey's parents Cindy and George appeared to be getting more and more desperate, more distraught, but Casey seemed to get more lighthearted, making jokes and talking about the laughs she's been having.

Eyewitness News reporter Kenneth Moton showed the videos to a psychologist to get a professional take on Casey's actions. The doctor said she has never met Casey or treated her and she's not trying to diagnose her. However, the doctor said she was able to analyze what could have been going through the young mother's mind.

Licensed Winter Park psychologist Kathleen McHugh said there's a lot to learn about the mother from the recorded jailhouse visits.

"There were times that it was confusing how calm and nonchalant she could be when discussing the disappearance of her child," said McHugh.

The general public's perception of Casey seems to be that she's cold and calculated. McHugh said her attitude in the videos confirms those thoughts.

"When you hear what she's saying and look at her face, it does not seem to match up to the tenor of the conversation," she said.

McHugh said it's obvious that Casey's goals are not the same as her parents'. Cindy and George talked a lot about Caylee whereas Casey moved many of the conversations to how she was feeling and seemed very self-focused.

Investigators believe Casey is responsible for the death of Caylee. That would mean her comments about the little girl being alive are a lie. McHugh said it's hard to tell if Casey's emotions are real or fake.

"Of course she doesn't want to appear guilty so of course she would act in a way for her to be alive," said McHugh.

Eyewitness News asked the doctor if Casey seemed like the type of mother who would kill her own daughter. McHugh said an answer to that would take an extensive evaluation.


CASEY'S PARENTS CONFRONTED HER IN JAIL


Casey's parents desperately tried to get her to talk, to write letters, to talk to investigators. She put them off, made excuses and made promises she did not keep. The jail released videos of them visiting Casey on July 25 and July 30.

"We're going to see her little face again," Cindy said.

"I pray to God everyday that we do," Casey said.

Casey Anthony gave her parents the description of the nanny, Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez, who Casey says took off with Caylee, but the Anthonys never released that description and neither did Casey's defense attorney, even though Casey says she asked him to get an artist to work up a sketch.

"I don't care what I have to do. I would steal to get her back," Casey told her mom.

"Casey, we have to find her before her third birthday," Cindy said. "I don't want to wait another minute."

"I want her to be found, whether I'm stuck in here or not. I don't care," Casey said.

But Casey made constant excuses about why she couldn't tell them more and kept insinuating she could do more if they could bond her out. Casey left abruptly when her mother confronted her with Detective Yuri Melich's suspicions.

"Yuri has it set in his mind, he thinks you've done something to Caylee," Cindy told Casey, but Casey then abruptly got up and when she came back the conversation changed direction.

Casey also told her parents Caylee's disappearance had nothing to do with drugs and nothing to do with anyone she's stolen from.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18210355/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Psychologist On Casey Comment: It's Not About Caylee, It's About Her
Caylee Anthony, 3, Last Seen In Mid-June 18210160

POSTED: 7:43 am EST December 5, 2008
UPDATED: 8:42 am EST December 5, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A psychologist who watched the video visitation between Casey Anthony and her parents said she was struck by the fact that Casey Anthony failed to mention her missing 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, when her father talked about the family makeup.

Dr. Amanda Janner, who examines relationships between parents and children for a living, has not examined or treated Casey Anthony but was asked to review the video and provide her expert opinion.

At one point during the July visit, when Casey Anthony, 22, was initially jailed on child-neglect charges in the disappearance of Caylee, Casey Anthony's father, George Anthony, talked to her about their family.

"You know I just had an analogy of our family. Think of me as the thumb. Think of dad. The next finger, the index finger, think of your mom. She likes to point, just like Caylee," George Anthony said.

"Yeah, but it's that middle finger," interrupted Casey Anthony while laughing.

"The middle finger, I guess is a problem," joked George Anthony. "I'm looking at size in the family. The next finger after that is going to be Lee, then you, and that little pinky is Caylee. So think of your hand like this is us. This is the family that loves each other, that cares and needs to be together, and we're missing two fingers."

"I'm still here," Casey Anthony said.

"I think it's interesting that she only mentions herself, that it's not about Caylee, it's about her. I'm still here. She doesn't even mention Caylee," Janner said.

"Are you protecting Caylee, are you protecting me, are you protecting who?" Cindy Anthony asked her daughter.

"I'm protecting our family, yes, (but) not from anything I've done," Casey Anthony said.

"Is someone threatening us? Is someone threatening us?" Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom, just leave it at that, please," Casey said. "For right now just leave it at that."

George Anthony, a former deputy in Ohio, asked his daughter why she is not cooperating with deputies.

"Have you ever thought about reaching out to the guys at the sheriff's office, just talking to them?" he said.

"The few times that I have, dad, you've seen what's blown up in my face. They've misconstrued things that I said to them, resources that I gave them they haven't used. So in all honesty, as much as I'd like to, at the moment, if I'm going to, it won't be an in-person conversation, it won't be an over-the-phone conversation, it will be in writing, so there's no way of twisting my words or saying I didn't give them information."

Casey Anthony told authorities she had left her daughter with a baby sitter in mid-June and the two were gone when she returned from work. She said she spent the next month trying to find her daughter and didn't call authorities because she was scared. Investigators say they have poked several holes in her story.

http://www.local6.com/news/18210120/detail.html

[Mac]

I didn't watch all the videos because I was counting on the info here, which I got! Thanks for the list Mac.. I love lists, especially when I can't wrap my head around something.

Can you elaborate on number 8? Thanks. (I know what you mean but I want your take on it.)


Evertime Cindy asked a tough question, Casey went back to the fact that these are recorded and she would rather not answer it. Cindy, instead of approaching the question again...she backed completly and changed to a different topic. ( the car smell question I.E )

[Mac]

LOL - I'm in tears over that one. :biggrin:

What we need is a box set in full surround sound....THX visuals...it will sell big time!!

Title it,,," The mind of A Monster"

And the subplot would be " When you build a monster, sooner or later the villagers show up with pitchforks!"

[Justice Denied?]

A few common threads in ALL the videos

1} She never asks if there are any new leads in the case

2} She never asks what the police are doing to find her

3} Every tape begins with a very cheery, happy, not a care in the world, HELLO!!!

4} Since the date of the tapes, we all read the transcripts from all her friends. She is still lying at a pretty good pace, even though she is in handcuffs. The chick has great follow through!!

5) She is scared to death of Lee. Every question she answered, every time she had a chance she praised him. Again...no questions as to what LE is doing to find her daughter.

6} The father is a worm with no b@lls. His mission in life is to praise his daughter, and bow to his wife.

7} Notice how Cindy kept telling Casey to pick her head up, so she could see her eyes when she is talking. Cindy is a cold, hard B@tch. This proves it. She rules the roost in that house.

8} Cindy is tiptoeing around the questions she asked, she knows the truth, she doesn't want the truth to be found out.

9} George tried to get some facts, Casey always went back to the same defense...Can't answer that question, not over the phone..only in writing....My bet is she never wrote anything to her folks to address their questions

Mac,

Re: #7, I figured she wanted Casey to look her in the eue so that she could tell if she was lying or not. I know my kids could not look me sraight in the eye and lye to me. To me, Cindy had this look on her face like she was trying to figure Casey out, like she wanted to get to the bottom of things.

I think it took her a while to get things straight in her own mind, then she went heavy on the defensive.

[Mac]

Mac,

Re: #7, I figured she wanted Casey to look her in the eue so that she could tell if she was lying or not. I know my kids could not look me sraight in the eye and lye to me. To me, Cindy had this look on her face like she was trying to figure Casey out, like she wanted to get to the bottom of things.

I think it took her a while to get things straight in her own mind, then she went heavy on the defensive.

POssibly you are correct. My point was that When you tell someone to pick their head up and look at you.......it is kind of a power trip to me.....

Just my opinion:shrug:

[joekuhl79]

POssibly you are correct. My point was that When you tell someone to pick their head up and look at you.......it is kind of a power trip to me.....

Just my opinion:shrug:

I was thinking the same as JD...to me, NOT making eye contact is somewhat disrespectful and implies evasiveness...

It amazes me that Cindy is still sipping the Casey Koolaid after viewing these...crazy!

[Justice Denied?]

Mac, you know it!! I worked in LE and that smell is like nothing else. Not even a dead animal will smell that bad. And the smell will even cling to your clothes, I remember my LT and a newbie went to do a welfare check on a 95 year old man whose daughter had not heard from him and as they approached the house, they could hear what sounded like 1,000 flies and as they got to the door, they knew he was dead. They found him in a chair crawling with maggots and they estimate the TOD at about Tuesday and this was a Saturday and also had been very hot and humid. I called the ME, and he pronounced him and later on at the office they come in just reeking and I was ready to hurl! I made them pitch their uniforms and take showers and I remember the newbie was a nice shade of green and says to me "it looked like he just melted" Even after they left, it still reeked for awhile as it just permeates everything and for the car trunk to be still reeking, that child was in there for many days and ITA that she killed her because she cramped her partying and because I feel she was jealous of the attention that C got from Mommy and Daddy. A guy in FL made at his girlfriend dropped her daughter in a gator pond and the child was eaten and he got the DP and this stemmed from the attention she gave the child and not him. Apparently jealously was also a motive in the Hudson murders as well. As far as a jury proving her guilty? The grand jury had no qualms handing her a capital murder charge and all the jailhouse tapes, texts, net searches, her many lies, her lack of emotion is gonna bite her in the ass on the way to the death house and I am looking forward to the trial and I am blown away how quick the DA wants this trial to start, she could be sitting on DR by February!!!

As of right now this is not a death penalty case and doesn't look like it will be.
I can't imagine why though. I believe Baez will eventually ask for a postponement unless he wants to go ahead in case the find the body. His experts haen't even viewed the evidence yet.

By the way, did you see that the Univ. of Cen. FL tested the gases from the trunk and said thee was no decomposition? Scary!

[Justice Denied?]

Wouldn't that be just the funniest thing ever a box set? They could put all the Anthony interviews together and call it Lies, Flies and P-whipped guys.

CONGTARULATIONS, Shark!

I think that last line really comes close to topping Loretta's "George owns a car". Perferct title.

[Gatordog]

Cindy seemed so rational in the beginning, too lenient with Casey, but rational. I don't know when she snapped and started drinking the Casey Kool-Aid. I don't agree with all the sweethearts and darlin's, but at least she looked as if she was trying to get to the truth. And George's theory that the hand is like their family, well, I'd have found my mother's family across my face a couple of times after those lies. Did you see her face light up whenever the parents talked about her and then if they brough up Caylee, it was "I want to go home and be with my family". Well maybe her daughter would like to be home too but that's never going to happen. And when Casey heard about the bond, instead of saying, "Oh, great, someone will definitely bring her home if they see her", it was "That's half of my bond!"

Killing her with drugs would be a waste of taxpayer's dollars. They should just take her out and bury her in a red ant hill (might as well add a couple of those palmettos too). :eek: Even that's better than she deserves.

Gator

[Gatordog]

Just when I'm okay with driving through Blanchard Park and being able to enjoy the river. Padilla comes up with the river theory again. I have a feeling he's right. That cross with the beads is too mysterious. I'm going to keep an eye on the park around Christmas to see if George shows up.

The family has been keeping super quiet since the end of last week. I wonder what's up? I wouldn't be surprised if they received information regarding the child in the mall pictures and they are keeping quiet about it because they don't want us to know it's not Caylee. Duh.

Gator

[Gatordog]

As of right now this is not a death penalty case and doesn't look like it will be.
I can't imagine why though. I believe Baez will eventually ask for a postponement unless he wants to go ahead in case the find the body. His experts haen't even viewed the evidence yet.

By the way, did you see that the Univ. of Cen. FL tested the gases from the trunk and said thee was no decomposition? Scary!

Nothing against UCF but they are hardly know for being a scientific school. If it was Duke University or Chicago, I'd have to think about it, but UCF, no way. I'm not even sure they tested gases from that car. They could have used another source to see if decomposure produces gases. Remember, the defense was only permitted to view the car and it's contents, not test anything. Any evidence that they may have found had to be reported to LE for them to remove.

[Mac]

Cindy seemed so rational in the beginning, too lenient with Casey, but rational. I don't know when she snapped and started drinking the Casey Kool-Aid. I don't agree with all the sweethearts and darlin's, but at least she looked as if she was trying to get to the truth. And George's theory that the hand is like their family, well, I'd have found my mother's family across my face a couple of times after those lies. Did you see her face light up whenever the parents talked about her and then if they brough up Caylee, it was "I want to go home and be with my family". Well maybe her daughter would like to be home too but that's never going to happen. And when Casey heard about the bond, instead of saying, "Oh, great, someone will definitely bring her home if they see her", it was "That's half of my bond!"

Killing her with drugs would be a waste of taxpayer's dollars. They should just take her out and bury her in a red ant hill (might as well add a couple of those palmettos too). :eek: Even that's better than she deserves.

Gator


OUCH.....Palmetto's TOO?????? You cruel person!!!!!!!!!!!!!:biggrin:

[samanthajane13]

We have some pretty vicious centipedes here in Buffalo that I can donate-a 1 1/2 incher left a nasty gash on Katey's big toe, and I'm sure she'd like to give it a one-way ticket to Orlando!!

[wind149]

Hey Gator! great post about the Z thing! Yeah, what woman would take care of somebody's kid day and night without pay?? And if she was rich why would she have to be a nanny??? WE ALL KNOW that Z never existed only in CA's mind and while they have not said they going for the DP, too early maybe, I think it needs to be on the table instead of off, maybe if they hammer it at her, she might crack. I do think jealously played a factor here, she was in competition with C for her parents attention and seeing as she was the center before C and the fact that C came in her way of good times, this is your motive. Susan Smith murdered her kids because they stood in her way of gaining a rich boyfriend ,she too was pissed for David cheating on her and there is her motive. As for watching the tapes, I see someone who has no concern for anyone but herself and clearly did not even want to talk about C and this is a sociopath ,a self centered scumbag why IMO deserves the DP and her parents need to go to jail for obstruction and lying to a law enforcement officer, both felonies because I am convinced that they KNOW where C's body is and all the sightings are just bullcrap smokescreen.

[One2Snoop]

State Not Seeking Death Penalty For Casey Anthony
Friday, December 5, 2008 – updated: 5:22 pm EST December 5, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's Office announced late Friday that they will not be seeking the death penalty for murder charges 22-year-old Casey Anthony is facing in the death of her daughter.

In a release about the decision, the State Attorney's Office wrote: "This afternoon, after consideration of the law and unique facts applicable to the above case, the State filed its notice that it is not in the best interest of the people of the State of Florida to pursue the death penalty as a potential sentence. Therefore, the State of Florida will not be seeking the death penalty against defendant Casey Anthony."

Eyewitness News previously reported it was unlikely that prosecutors would seek the death penalty against Casey without having found Caylee's body.

It has to do with the thinking of the jurors. Jurors might be reluctant to convict Casey if they know they'll have to consider a death sentence even though no body has been found in the case.

On Wednesday, the defense filed a motion asking prosecutors what legal reasons, called "aggravating circumstances," under the law they would use to argue Casey deserves the death penalty. Possible reasons would be that the murder was cold, calculated and premeditated, that the victim was younger than 12 and that the victim was in the custody of the defendant, therefore more vulnerable.

If something were to change, for instance if Caylee's body were to be found before the case goes to trial, prosecutors could change their minds and decide to go for the death penalty.

Casey is facing several charges in connection with the disappearance and suspected murder of her daughter, Caylee. The charges include first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and providing false information to a law enforcement officer.


CASEY'S ATTORNEY SOUGHT JUSTIFICATION


Earlier Friday, before the State Attorney's Office announcement, Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, said he wanted the legal justification for a possible death sentence in his client's case.

Since prosecutors have not ruled out the death penalty, Baez said he thought it was only fair to have time to prepare to fight it. It appeared to be an indication the defense thought a first-degree murder conviction was possible, though that turned out not to be the case.

Meanwhile, prosecutors have added to their witness list. There are now 144 people on it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18213616/detail.html#-

[samanthajane13]

You have no idea how this decision saddens and sickens me.

[Gatordog]

You have no idea how this decision saddens and sickens me.

Kathy Belich of WFTV (also seen on NG) said that if the body is found before or during the trial, the state can still ask for the death penalty.

[Mac]

You have no idea how this decision saddens and sickens me.

Donna

I am a Huge fan of the Death Penalty....just my feelings I guess. And I know this decision sickens not just you, but a lot of people, including me.

That being said....if we can get a conviction, murder one, think of how her life will change. It will be worse for her then most prisoners. She lived her life with the mantra "Bella Vita". No more beautiful life for Casey. Strict regiment and no freedom to party will kill her.

I kind of like the thought that she will suffer for the rest of her life if convicted.

Pray for the State Attorney to get the job done.

[Mac]

We have some pretty vicious centipedes here in Buffalo that I can donate-a 1 1/2 incher left a nasty gash on Katey's big toe, and I'm sure she'd like to give it a one-way ticket to Orlando!!

Like we don't have enough bugs in the jungle down here!!!:beer:

[lighthousedazy]

State Not Seeking Death Penalty For Casey Anthony
Friday, December 5, 2008 – updated: 5:22 pm EST December 5, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's Office announced late Friday that they will not be seeking the death penalty for murder charges 22-year-old Casey Anthony is facing in the death of her daughter.

In a release about the decision, the State Attorney's Office wrote: "This afternoon, after consideration of the law and unique facts applicable to the above case, the State filed its notice that it is not in the best interest of the people of the State of Florida to pursue the death penalty as a potential sentence. Therefore, the State of Florida will not be seeking the death penalty against defendant Casey Anthony."

Eyewitness News previously reported it was unlikely that prosecutors would seek the death penalty against Casey without having found Caylee's body.

It has to do with the thinking of the jurors. Jurors might be reluctant to convict Casey if they know they'll have to consider a death sentence even though no body has been found in the case.

On Wednesday, the defense filed a motion asking prosecutors what legal reasons, called "aggravating circumstances," under the law they would use to argue Casey deserves the death penalty. Possible reasons would be that the murder was cold, calculated and premeditated, that the victim was younger than 12 and that the victim was in the custody of the defendant, therefore more vulnerable.

If something were to change, for instance if Caylee's body were to be found before the case goes to trial, prosecutors could change their minds and decide to go for the death penalty.

Casey is facing several charges in connection with the disappearance and suspected murder of her daughter, Caylee. The charges include first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and providing false information to a law enforcement officer.


CASEY'S ATTORNEY SOUGHT JUSTIFICATION


Earlier Friday, before the State Attorney's Office announcement, Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, said he wanted the legal justification for a possible death sentence in his client's case.

Since prosecutors have not ruled out the death penalty, Baez said he thought it was only fair to have time to prepare to fight it. It appeared to be an indication the defense thought a first-degree murder conviction was possible, though that turned out not to be the case.

Meanwhile, prosecutors have added to their witness list. There are now 144 people on it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18213616/detail.html#-I have been away for a while, but imo this is a travesty. If they would seek the DP, they could probably get her to talk and tell where Caylee's body is in exchange for life in prison. :cuss: This case, et al, has gotten the best of me. I just wish lightning would strike all these devious criminals. (And everyone tells me I am so easygoing.) :no:

[lighthousedazy]

Ahhhh,, thanks Gatordog.. but why did she say, "That's half my bond" in reaction to learning the reward amount for info on Caylee?Because she is a sociopathic biotch who thinks only of herself. She could think less of Caylee. :cuss:

[TOEJAM]

State Not Seeking Death Penalty For Casey Anthony
Friday, December 5, 2008 – updated: 5:22 pm EST December 5, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's Office announced late Friday that they will not be seeking the death penalty for murder charges 22-year-old Casey Anthony is facing in the death of her daughter.

In a release about the decision, the State Attorney's Office wrote: "This afternoon, after consideration of the law and unique facts applicable to the above case, the State filed its notice that it is not in the best interest of the people of the State of Florida to pursue the death penalty as a potential sentence. Therefore, the State of Florida will not be seeking the death penalty against defendant Casey Anthony."

Eyewitness News previously reported it was unlikely that prosecutors would seek the death penalty against Casey without having found Caylee's body.

It has to do with the thinking of the jurors. Jurors might be reluctant to convict Casey if they know they'll have to consider a death sentence even though no body has been found in the case.

On Wednesday, the defense filed a motion asking prosecutors what legal reasons, called "aggravating circumstances," under the law they would use to argue Casey deserves the death penalty. Possible reasons would be that the murder was cold, calculated and premeditated, that the victim was younger than 12 and that the victim was in the custody of the defendant, therefore more vulnerable.

If something were to change, for instance if Caylee's body were to be found before the case goes to trial, prosecutors could change their minds and decide to go for the death penalty.

Casey is facing several charges in connection with the disappearance and suspected murder of her daughter, Caylee. The charges include first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and providing false information to a law enforcement officer.


CASEY'S ATTORNEY SOUGHT JUSTIFICATION


Earlier Friday, before the State Attorney's Office announcement, Casey Anthony's defense attorney, Jose Baez, said he wanted the legal justification for a possible death sentence in his client's case.

Since prosecutors have not ruled out the death penalty, Baez said he thought it was only fair to have time to prepare to fight it. It appeared to be an indication the defense thought a first-degree murder conviction was possible, though that turned out not to be the case.

Meanwhile, prosecutors have added to their witness list. There are now 144 people on it.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18213616/detail.html#-


I may have missed something along the way but what ever happened to the death penalty lawyer? is he still involved in the case? if he is he has sure been quiet.....

What jumps out at me from the tapes is the way Casey keeps saying "in all honesty" whenever someone tells me that i know that it is time to hold onto my shorts cause a whopper is on its way......

[lighthousedazy]

I may have missed something along the way but what ever happened to the death penalty lawyer? is he still involved in the case? if he is he has sure been quiet.....

What jumps out at me from the tapes is the way Casey keeps saying "in all honesty" whenever someone tells me that i know that it is time to hold onto my shorts cause a whopper is on its way......
Toejam, I am a Jawja girl and Florida is also a death penalty state. Casey does not know what "in all honesty " means. Her parents look like the 'deer in the headlights', and I am sure they know she is lying. So sad. :(

[mu8shark]

And don't forget, this babysitter did it for free, no money just the pure joy of spending everyday taking care of someone else's child. Buying a full wardrobe, shoes, diapers, toys, a car seat. Then the liar says that Zenaida has a lot of money. I don't care how much money a 26 year old woman has, she is not going to use up all her time and money babysitting someone else's child especially when she isn't a relative. If Zenaida had all this money, she wouldn't have spend so much time (fake time) moving from one person's apartment to another apartment and she wouldn't have had roommates.

Now we can see her falling over her lies. Problem is, Mommy is there to keep her from hitting the ground and Daddy catches both of them. You are so right, why would this Miss Moneybags nanny move around constantly like that and get roommates to lessen the load of paying for a place. None of what she says makes sense. And you are right people do not watch other people's kids for the hell of it, unless it is a relative. It is just absurd. Oh and maybe you can answer me this, who the hell is Annabelle? The only thing I could find online is that Annabelle was the phantom Juliette Lewis's child.

[mu8shark]

I was listening to Casey describe the Nanny '5'7 slender, a little more meat on her bones than me , brown eyes , wavy or curly hair but sometimes she wears it straight, lots of money. I think she was watching the movie, :Zorro before they threw her in the pokey and is describing Catherine Zeta Jones. LOL. My apologies to Michael Douglas and any relatives of Catherine. LOL. I mean she dragged the actress Juliette Lewis into this right or used that name. I think she is using actresses because she wants to be one. :D

[mu8shark]

Nothing against UCF but they are hardly know for being a scientific school. If it was Duke University or Chicago, I'd have to think about it, but UCF, no way. I'm not even sure they tested gases from that car. They could have used another source to see if decomposure produces gases. Remember, the defense was only permitted to view the car and it's contents, not test anything. Any evidence that they may have found had to be reported to LE for them to remove. No offense but UCF versus the Body Farm and the FBI techs, I am sorry but to me that is like saying as far as actors go Anna Nicole Smith was comparable to Meryl Streep. What a joke, is that the best they can do ? Pfttt! Gee maybe they will get Friends University of Central Kansas on it. You would not want to wear that sweatshirt with those initials by the way, if you get my drift. (Take out the of and you do not want to wear that shirt!) Sorry but I am in a goofy mood.

[mu8shark]

Psychologist On Casey Comment: It's Not About Caylee, It's About Her
Caylee Anthony, 3, Last Seen In Mid-June 18210160

POSTED: 7:43 am EST December 5, 2008
UPDATED: 8:42 am EST December 5, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A psychologist who watched the video visitation between Casey Anthony and her parents said she was struck by the fact that Casey Anthony failed to mention her missing 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, when her father talked about the family makeup.

Dr. Amanda Janner, who examines relationships between parents and children for a living, has not examined or treated Casey Anthony but was asked to review the video and provide her expert opinion.

At one point during the July visit, when Casey Anthony, 22, was initially jailed on child-neglect charges in the disappearance of Caylee, Casey Anthony's father, George Anthony, talked to her about their family.

"You know I just had an analogy of our family. Think of me as the thumb. Think of dad. The next finger, the index finger, think of your mom. She likes to point, just like Caylee," George Anthony said.

"Yeah, but it's that middle finger," interrupted Casey Anthony while laughing.

"The middle finger, I guess is a problem," joked George Anthony. "I'm looking at size in the family. The next finger after that is going to be Lee, then you, and that little pinky is Caylee. So think of your hand like this is us. This is the family that loves each other, that cares and needs to be together, and we're missing two fingers."

"I'm still here," Casey Anthony said.

"I think it's interesting that she only mentions herself, that it's not about Caylee, it's about her. I'm still here. She doesn't even mention Caylee," Janner said.

"Are you protecting Caylee, are you protecting me, are you protecting who?" Cindy Anthony asked her daughter.

"I'm protecting our family, yes, (but) not from anything I've done," Casey Anthony said.

"Is someone threatening us? Is someone threatening us?" Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom, just leave it at that, please," Casey said. "For right now just leave it at that."

George Anthony, a former deputy in Ohio, asked his daughter why she is not cooperating with deputies.

"Have you ever thought about reaching out to the guys at the sheriff's office, just talking to them?" he said.

"The few times that I have, dad, you've seen what's blown up in my face. They've misconstrued things that I said to them, resources that I gave them they haven't used. So in all honesty, as much as I'd like to, at the moment, if I'm going to, it won't be an in-person conversation, it won't be an over-the-phone conversation, it will be in writing, so there's no way of twisting my words or saying I didn't give them information."

Casey Anthony told authorities she had left her daughter with a baby sitter in mid-June and the two were gone when she returned from work. She said she spent the next month trying to find her daughter and didn't call authorities because she was scared. Investigators say they have poked several holes in her story.

http://www.local6.com/news/18210120/detail.html Resources that she gave them that they have not used?????? Like ??? Like Jeff Hopkins and his son Zac??? Like Juliette? Like Zenaida???? Like the nice coworkers at Universal???Like what freaking resources is she talking about? We have all heard those tapes, she gives them nothing. This girl is a heartless skank. And I hate it when she asks about the lady at the airport and what is up with that. It makes me want to just grab her by the hair and yank her ass right off that jail stool she is sitting on. Here she is giving her parents this false hope. It is just sick.

[samanthajane13]

"Donna

I am a Huge fan of the Death Penalty....just my feelings I guess. And I know this decision sickens not just you, but a lot of people, including me.

That being said....if we can get a conviction, murder one, think of how her life will change. It will be worse for her then most prisoners. She lived her life with the mantra "Bella Vita". No more beautiful life for Casey. Strict regiment and no freedom to party will kill her.

I kind of like the thought that she will suffer for the rest of her life if convicted.

Pray for the State Attorney to get the job done. "


Yes, Mac-

I know what you mean. I totally agree with praying for the State Attorney to make these charges stick like glue.

Casey is dog-meat if she's convicted, but it doesn't bring Caylee back, and it doesn't begin to bring her any JUSTICE. Her life will SUCK, but she'll still be ALIVE and whining that it was everyone else's fault.

And I know that she still has to go before God on Judgement Day-which is a comfort.

I know people will think I'm a sick and twisted be-otch, but I want her to suffer as I imagine Caylee suffered-looking up into her mommy's eyes-knowing that mommy didn't love her and wanted to hurt her.

I want her to know that ULTIMATE BETRAYAL AND FEAR.

THAT would be Justice for Caylee.

RIP, little angel...:rose:

[Woostock]

Maybe life in prison will be worse for her afterall. I did hope the death penalty was an option but with no body I suspect the jury would have some reservations. The 30 days Caylee was missing and not reported has had a huge impact on this case. As more and more information comes out the family presents as one really screwed up family with all sorts of issues; a family that really needed to get professional help and make changes but instead let things slide and we have the hurrendous situation which is truly heartbreaking of what happened to Caylee. soooo sad.

[sharlock]

Didn't Baez walk off her case and doesn't she have a new lawyer? If Baez walked off, that speaks loud. Any lawyer would want this case as it is a stairway to fame. But when one walks off, it means they know their client is beyond guilty and it won't look good in their resume. IMO.

BTW, good list :-)
I thought he was stll involved in the case but was also using a different set of lawyers to deal with the Zenaida law suit. I would be interested to know if this isn't the case though.

[Gatordog]

Ahhhh,, thanks Gatordog.. but why did she say, "That's half my bond" in reaction to learning the reward amount for info on Caylee?

That visit was back in July right after the first bond hearing when the bond was $500K then. She was in jail for about 5 weeks before Leonard Padilla bailed her out thinking he could crack that nut. She proved to be the stronger one. She didn't spill the beans. Then she was arrested for the fraud charges and Padilla withdrew his bond.

[Gatordog]

I was listening to Casey describe the Nanny '5'7 slender, a little more meat on her bones than me , brown eyes , wavy or curly hair but sometimes she wears it straight, lots of money. I think she was watching the movie, :Zorro before they threw her in the pokey and is describing Catherine Zeta Jones. LOL. My apologies to Michael Douglas and any relatives of Catherine. LOL. I mean she dragged the actress Juliette Lewis into this right or used that name. I think she is using actresses because she wants to be one. :D

You know, you're probably right. She associates these fake people with live people so she can remember the facts or the lies.

[Gatordog]

While I was watching Cindy I noticed she was "on" as if she was being observed. When she asked "Gorgeous" if someone was threatening them, (TWICE) it was as if she was auditioning for Oscar night! I'm losing faith in the mother. The father is just terrified of her. He is a wreck and he's caught up in the sticky sociopath's trap. He even put himself down as a father and grandfather. "I wish I could have been a better father etc..." He's so damn insecure and he's blaming himself. That is exactly what she wants them both to do. If I were there I'd hit him in the back of the head and tell him to get real. As for Cindy, she's not going to divert the truth by reading a script in front of the camera. No one is a threat to that family but Casey!!! They are playing right into her hands.

Wake up Anthonys! She is Satan's spawn!

:punch:

They were just feeding her ego. If they were trying to get info from her, they sure fooled me. They didn't get one answer and then, the liar actually get up and leaves the chair as if to say, ask me again and I'm gone for good.

[Gatordog]

A local analyst on the news said the reason for dropping the death penalty is that the jury will convict easier and then they can use life in prison as a bargaining chip for her to tell the truth.

Did anyone notice the bright smiles and flirting going on with the liar and anyone who happened to pass her while she was on video. She was extremely alert to what was going on around her instead of focusing on her parents. I noticed it at least twice in one video. She looks away and puts on this big smile and says hello to someone. She is trying to manipulate the wrong people. Now I know why she's in solitary confinement. With her flirty ways and trying to charm people, she'd be chopped meat in hours. I could just imagine what they would do to her. One can only wish....:rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

The Anthony Family Spokeswoman, Michelle Bart, was on the news and said there would be announcements this weekend. Here we go again. Same story...different day. :confused: The TV newsperson suspected it might have more to do with that sighting at the Florida Mall. You know, the car with the secret license plate and the child photos but no photos of who she was with, even though the people say they were watching her for hours. Yada Yada Yada.

Gator

[deputydi]

A local analyst on the news said the reason for dropping the death penalty is that the jury will convict easier and then they can use life in prison as a bargaining chip for her to tell the truth.
<snip>
That doesn't make much sense. With the dp off the table, the max she can get is life in prison. That doesn't seem like a very good bargaining chip to me. Also, the dp wouldn't be automatic -- the jury still has the option of recommending life so I don't think conviction will be any easier. Some of these analysts just talk to eat up time and don't think about the absurdity of what they are saying.

[deputydi]

Kathy Belich of WFTV (also seen on NG) said that if the body is found before or during the trial, the state can still ask for the death penalty.
But, doesn't FL require a "death qualified" jury? How would they get one if the body is found during the trial since the jury would have already been seated and voir dire did not include questions about the death penalty?

[browneyes106]

I was hoping that Casey would get the death penalty. But I feel she needs to spend the rest of her life in prison for robbing Caylee of a long life.

[Gatordog]

That doesn't make much sense. With the dp off the table, the max she can get is life in prison. That doesn't seem like a very good bargaining chip to me. Also, the dp wouldn't be automatic -- the jury still has the option of recommending life so I don't think conviction will be any easier. Some of these analysts just talk to eat up time and don't think about the absurdity of what they are saying.

Well there could be people on the jury who wouldn't convict on the highest charge without a body and they would go for manslaughter. If she's found guilty of first degree the the DA could deal for 20 years instead of life if she tells where the body is. At least that's my take on it.

[Gatordog]

But, doesn't FL require a "death qualified" jury? How would they get one if the body is found during the trial since the jury would have already been seated and voir dire did not include questions about the death penalty?

This is Florida, 95% of all those on jury duty would be death penalty qualified without asking. It would be more difficult trying to find a jury which wouldn't give a death sentence.

[Gatordog]

Okay - Saturday is almost over, where are the statements the spokesperson said would be coming? I guess we have to wait until tomorrow for the big news. :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

:rose:

This afternoon, on my way home, I decided to drive through the park. It was a beautiful afternoon. I pulled off the road and parked. I walked down to the river and sat there for a while. There were three families with small children there. The children were fishing. It was at the exact location where Padilla was searching. The children were so happy and carefree. The trees across the river were different shades of red and gold, Two trees were full of snowy egrets. Four ducks were leisurely swimming along the banks. All you could hear were the children laughing and the sounds of all different wild birds. A red hawk was just gliding on the wind current. Another family with a little girl was playing with a puppy. It was so peaceful and loving. I kept looking into the water wondering if Caylee was there. If she is, she's at peace. :rose:

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Oh, I forgot to fill you in on that car thing. Her mother asked her why she didn't pick up the car and said, "It doesn't make sense." I guess that was code speak. I didn't get it either. Her mother is trying to get the pieces of the puzzle that don't make sense. Lots a luck Cindy!

"ziltch, nada butkis"

I got the impressionthat she was asking Casey why she didn't pick up the car from Amscot or from the impound lot instea of letting the bill get so high. But then I realized Cindy said "she" not "you". So now, I'm confused, too.:confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

This is Florida, 95% of all those on jury duty would be death penalty qualified without asking. It would be more difficult trying to find a jury which wouldn't give a death sentence.

Wait! Are you saying that people who sit on a jury for a white collar crime (for instance) have been death qualified?

At any rate, this whole notion of The State not prosecuting for capital murder with a possible death penalty and also allowing to the jury to convict on lesser charges (with lesser penalties) is just half-baked. But I get that there is a great deal of variation from state to state.

[deputydi]

This is Florida, 95% of all those on jury duty would be death penalty qualified without asking. It would be more difficult trying to find a jury which wouldn't give a death sentence.
That may be true but a "death qualified" jury undergoes a more intensive voir dire than a regular jury. Most states (if not all) must seat a death qualified jury for all cases where the dp is an option.

[Mac]

This is Florida, 95% of all those on jury duty would be death penalty qualified without asking. It would be more difficult trying to find a jury which wouldn't give a death sentence.


Just a thought. Most of us agree that they should have waited a while before pulling the DP off the table. Baez has been working in the dark.

Could the State Prosecutor and Baez made a deal????? After all if alll the have to go after is the science in the case, she will still spend some extreme time in prison....my thoughts.

What do you think?

[Justice Denied?]

I just listened and watched some videos of that piece of pond scum lying like killers lie. She's a scary SOB!!! Her parents are pathetic. The one who doesn't trust her is Cindy. She's on the cutting edge of choking her. I'm sure of it.

"Don't waste our time." I caught that. She's not believing Casey for one minute. She's placating her because she wants the child back. If she has a sick dynamic with the child, (thinks it's hers) then she does, but as for buying into Casey's crap, she doesn't. She's in total denial about Caylee being alive, but she knows who her daughter is. It's almost curtain time, and this is going to be more than sad when the truth comes out. Did anyone notice how she giggled when her brother Lee was trying to find a sneaky way of asking her how to find Zanny. I guess he isn't good at code speak. I thought that her inappropriate giggling at his distress was very fitting to the sociopath profile.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Personally felt that
casey was acting flirtatious with Lee, more like a boyfriend than a brother. Sort of made me wonder about the incest charges.

[Justice Denied?]

IRONY yep! I feel a little better too Mu! Those people don't know they sound ridiculous? Watch Cindy reiterate the good things she thinks sound like normal grief when Casey goes into the good mother routine. "You know I would never let Caylee stay at anyone's house." Then Cindy repeats it.. They sound like children doing a grammar school play. Acutally some of those had better actors. I hope CA never gets a chance to know freedom again.

Oh, and I loved the shrink on NG last night who describes CA as a narcissist and made mention of the fact that Casey is already tired of the Caylee issue. She's moved on to other things. She doesn't want to talk about Caylee anymore. And, she mentioned the laughing and stated that this joy comes from the fact that she now has her parents undivided attention, which is what she wanted in the first place. Brilliant! She also said, "NO INSANITY DEFENSE because narcissists know right from wrong." How do you spell BINGO?
casey had moved on and began her new life before anyone even knew Caylee was missing, if you go by the partying. It's old news to her now. Can't wait to see her growing older, nore wrinkled, more gray in her hair year after year after year.

Ehat will happen if Casey is found guilty and mentally ill but not insane? Would she go to a hospital or penitentiary?

[Justice Denied?]

Wherre did you get this info. Haven' seen it anywhere but here. Sure would be another interesting twist to situation.

[Justice Denied?]

I dont' know that answer. She's be better off staying in jail. She's too slick to be insane anyway. Insane means you don't know the difference between right and wrong. Cindy knew how to lie.

I realize Casey is not legally insane, but I believe she has some serious mental health problems that need treatment, so I was just wondering.

[lighthousedazy]

I realize Casey is not legally insane, but I believe she has some serious mental health problems that need treatment, so I was just wondering.I agree. I am not a psych, but I agree she has a personality disorder. I think the dp should still be on the table to try and get her to talk, but if not, I hope she gets life without parole.

Alex, your post on the "If I were a reporter" thread scares us all a little bit (I think). Sometimes I think the LE don't won't to venture into devil worship investigation. I remember back in the early 80's in a central Georgia town, pop 50,000, there was many rumors going around about dw, but I have never heard of killing a 3 year old. This is horrible and I think it gives us all the creeps. jmo

[deputydi]

I realize Casey is not legally insane, but I believe she has some serious mental health problems that need treatment, so I was just wondering.
I don't think there is any doubt that Casey has a serious personality disorder, but she's not insane in any legal sense of the word.

[Woostock]

Frankly, I was hoping the LE would have tried to negotiate taking the DP off the table if our sociopath gave up where she disposed of the body. I wonder why they didn't do that? This is such a whacky case and so so sad. One thing that has come out of this case is a picture of sociopathic behavior and how ignoring it is not the answer. Perhaps others following this case will learn something from the mistakes the Anthony's made.

[Mac]

Frankly, I was hoping the LE would have tried to negotiate taking the DP off the table if our sociopath gave up where she disposed of the body. I wonder why they didn't do that? This is such a whacky case and so so sad. One thing that has come out of this case is a picture of sociopathic behavior and how ignoring it is not the answer. Perhaps others following this case will learn something from the mistakes the Anthony's made.


I agree, but why would they take the DP off the table, One of 2 things I think. Either they have a weak case, which I don't think is true. Or they have made a backroom deal with the defense, which I think is probably the more likely case. If they made a backroom deal with Baez, might we have a confession in the near future? I just can't see Baez taking this to a jury, he stands no chance. The evidence is hard to dispute, and the lying makes it all the worse for the defense. Add the public sentiment about this ***** to the mix, and it adds up to a slam dunk by the prosecutor.

IMO:shrug:

[Woostock]

I thought of that scenario also. I would be OK with that if it turns out to be the case. Life in prison without the possibility of parole is no walk in the park either..

[Mac]

I thought of that scenario also. I would be OK with that if it turns out to be the case. Life in prison without the possibility of parole is no walk in the park either..

I would settle for that.....constant suffering with no friends.....All of her so-called friends were either sex toys, or she stole from them....so that only leaves her immediate family to visit. She be a nice lonely life.

I still think that the only one left standing at the end of this is George. He has some purpose now, and he might think of himself as the the next "John Walsh"

BUt it makes no sense to take the DP off the table so soon. it's a big bargaining chip. They must be something in the works. IMO

[Woostock]

MAC
I have my fingers and toes crossed that you are on to something. Something in the works.....that makes sense. I don't believe there is any one of her "friends" who she wouldn't throw under the bus if it benefitted her in some way. She stole from them, lied to them, etc. doesn't endear you to others.

[Mac]

MAC
I have my fingers and toes crossed that you are on to something. Something in the works.....that makes sense. I don't believe there is any one of her "friends" who she wouldn't throw under the bus if it benefitted her in some way. She stole from them, lied to them, etc. doesn't endear you to others.

Tht's my point I guess, After her Mom, Dad, Brother and Attorney......who is left. And I do Agree that she would throw anyone under the bus to save her ass. And now that her partying ways are through, she will lose her mind.

Let's say that she did give the child to someone, and they do find her....not true of course....her life is still over. She gets charged with neglect, etc. Cindy gets the kid....and she is about as popular as Typhoid Mary on a good day. I bring this up to prove a point. Even if the kid is alive, which she isn't, her life is over. I think once she realizes this, she comes clean and beats the murder one rap. Maybe manslaughter. That's the only hope she has of coming out of prison before she is 50!!

[deputydi]

I agree, but why would they take the DP off the table, One of 2 things I think. Either they have a weak case, which I don't think is true. Or they have made a backroom deal with the defense, which I think is probably the more likely case. If they made a backroom deal with Baez, might we have a confession in the near future? I just can't see Baez taking this to a jury, he stands no chance. The evidence is hard to dispute, and the lying makes it all the worse for the defense. Add the public sentiment about this ***** to the mix, and it adds up to a slam dunk by the prosecutor.

IMO:shrug:
"Slam Dunk" ??? Boy, I'm not that confident. Anyone remember OJ and Robert Blake? You can never predict what a jury will do.

I, too, was hoping they would keep the dp on the table to use as a bargaining chip. We all think the evidence against her is overwhelming, but we don't know how much of what we know will be permitted by the judge. If the air sample test from the car, for instance, is disallowed, the case gets a lot weaker.

As for the jury pool being tainted by all the publicity -- believe it or not there are people who only have a vague recollection of the names Caylee or Casey Anthony and there are some who have never heard the name. These are the ones who don't watch Nancy Grace and couldn't care less about our obsession with true crime stories. The network and cable news shows, for the most part, only mention the story in passing. I live in PA and there hasn't been a word about it in our papers.

Someone on NG the other night wondered aloud why the defense hasn't filed a motion for change of venue. He would be stupid not to ask for one, but I doubt a judge will grant it. I'm sure the Orlando area has been more polluted with this story than the rest of the country but I still believe an impartial jury can and will be seated in Orlando.

[deputydi]

Tht's my point I guess, After her Mom, Dad, Brother and Attorney......who is left. And I do Agree that she would throw anyone under the bus to save her ass. And now that her partying ways are through, she will lose her mind.

Let's say that she did give the child to someone, and they do find her....not true of course....her life is still over. She gets charged with neglect, etc. Cindy gets the kid....and she is about as popular as Typhoid Mary on a good day. I bring this up to prove a point. Even if the kid is alive, which she isn't, her life is over. I think once she realizes this, she comes clean and beats the murder one rap. Maybe manslaughter. That's the only hope she has of coming out of prison before she is 50!!
You are such an optimist and I love it. Unfortunately, I see NO way Casey will ever admit her involvement. She reminds me so much of Scott Peterson -- both are unbelievably narcissistic. These sociopaths can always find someone or something else to blame and are unable to admit fault.

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt Casey murdered her daughter, I think your list of potential visitors will decrease by at least 1. I think George is more of a realist than Cindy or Lee and he will wash his hands of his murderess daughter once she is convicted.

You are soosoooo right that Casey's life (as she knew it) is over regardless of the outcome of all this.

[Mac]

"Slam Dunk" ??? Boy, I'm not that confident. Anyone remember OJ and Robert Blake? You can never predict what a jury will do.

I, too, was hoping they would keep the dp on the table to use as a bargaining chip. We all think the evidence against her is overwhelming, but we don't know how much of what we know will be permitted by the judge. If the air sample test from the car, for instance, is disallowed, the case gets a lot weaker.

As for the jury pool being tainted by all the publicity -- believe it or not there are people who only have a vague recollection of the names Caylee or Casey Anthony and there are some who have never heard the name. These are the ones who don't watch Nancy Grace and couldn't care less about our obsession with true crime stories. The network and cable news shows, for the most part, only mention the story in passing. I live in PA and there hasn't been a word about it in our papers.

Someone on NG the other night wondered aloud why the defense hasn't filed a motion for change of venue. He would be stupid not to ask for one, but I doubt a judge will grant it. I'm sure the Orlando area has been more polluted with this story than the rest of the country but I still believe an impartial jury can and will be seated in Orlando.

When I wrote "slam Dunk"........and hit submit...I thought about OJ....not so much Blake. Think of this though. Casey does not have the resources of OJ, nor does she have the race, politically correct thing going for her. She is hated by everyone that reads a newspaper. At least here in Florida.

Case in point is the way "Anthony" followers have either quit, been thrown under the bus, or just disappeared.

I can't see this thing going the defense's way. Baez has no experience, his legal team is not a dream team by any stretch. As a matter of fact, in the 2 hearings I watched, Baez was getting beaten like a red-headed mule. Which is why I think he brought in the death penalty lawyer, to help the team.

But...What the hell...That's why we play the games....as they say.

[Mac]

You are such an optimist and I love it. Unfortunately, I see NO way Casey will ever admit her involvement. She reminds me so much of Scott Peterson -- both are unbelievably narcissistic. These sociopaths can always find someone or something else to blame and are unable to admit fault.

If it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt Casey murdered her daughter, I think your list of potential visitors will decrease by at least 1. I think George is more of a realist than Cindy or Lee and he will wash his hands of his murderess daughter once she is convicted.

You are soosoooo right that Casey's life (as she knew it) is over regardless of the outcome of all this.

Agreed, no matter what the outcome, she is done. I also think that Lee will be one of the first to leave the building....maybe a name change. George will go after him. Cindy will hang in there. She is as narcissistic as her daughter, and she can't lose face by leaving Casey there with no motherly attention.

[deputydi]

When I wrote "slam Dunk"........and hit submit...I thought about OJ....not so much Blake. Think of this though. Casey does not have the resources of OJ, nor does she have the race, politically correct thing going for her. She is hated by everyone that reads a newspaper. At least here in Florida.

Case in point is the way "Anthony" followers have either quit, been thrown under the bus, or just disappeared.

I can't see this thing going the defense's way. Baez has no experience, his legal team is not a dream team by any stretch. As a matter of fact, in the 2 hearings I watched, Baez was getting beaten like a red-headed mule. Which is why I think he brought in the death penalty lawyer, to help the team.

But...What the hell...That's why we play the games....as they say.
You're absolutely right about her resources. In fact, this may sound crazy but when I heard the prosecution wasn't going for the dp, my first thought was that they WANT Baez to defend her because of his inexperience. If the dp was hanging over her head, another attorney would have to try the case since Baez doesn't have the necessary qualifications. I don't believe the State's case is as strong as we here think it is. Their entire case depends on what the judge will and will not allow -- and, so far, there is no body.

Of course, if that is part of the game they are playing, it's a dangerous one. If anyone on the pros side says this outloud, they will be setting a perfect stage for appeal.

[Mac]

You're absolutely right about her resources. In fact, this may sound crazy but when I heard the prosecution wasn't going for the dp, my first thought was that they WANT Baez to defend her because of his inexperience. If the dp was hanging over her head, another attorney would have to try the case since Baez doesn't have the necessary qualifications. I don't believe the State's case is as strong as we here think it is. Their entire case depends on what the judge will and will not allow -- and, so far, there is no body.

Of course, if that is part of the game they are playing, it's a dangerous one. If anyone on the pros side says this outloud, they will be setting a perfect stage for appeal.

I think no matter what happens at the end of a guilty verdict, Baez will appeal....and try to get the sentence down a little, to show that he is doing something. Then, after about a year, out comes the book, right after Cindy's of course.:flamemad:

[Justice Denied?]

Deputidi,

My question was: If Casey was found to be legally sane but mentally ill, would she go to prison or a mental hospital? Would you (or anyone else) happen to know?

[Mac]

Deputidi,

My question was: If Casey was found to be legally sane but mentally ill, would she go to prison or a mental hospital? Would you (or anyone else) happen to know?

If she was legally sane at the time of the crime, but mentally ill.....she goes down big time

[Gatordog]

Wait! Are you saying that people who sit on a jury for a white collar crime (for instance) have been death qualified?

At any rate, this whole notion of The State not prosecuting for capital murder with a possible death penalty and also allowing to the jury to convict on lesser charges (with lesser penalties) is just half-baked. But I get that there is a great deal of variation from state to state.

No, what I'm saying is that you won't find many people in Florida who who would not support the death penaty.

[Gatordog]

That may be true but a "death qualified" jury undergoes a more intensive voir dire than a regular jury. Most states (if not all) must seat a death qualified jury for all cases where the dp is an option.

I couldn't tell you with any personal knowledge. I only reported what a retired Orange County Prosecutor said on the news - that they could change and ask for the DP at any time during the trial.

[Gatordog]

Just a thought. Most of us agree that they should have waited a while before pulling the DP off the table. Baez has been working in the dark.

Could the State Prosecutor and Baez made a deal????? After all if alll the have to go after is the science in the case, she will still spend some extreme time in prison....my thoughts.

What do you think?

IMO, Baez see this case as his once in a lifetime to make a name for himself. I don't see him talking deals.

[lorettalockhorn]

No, what I'm saying is that you won't find many people in Florida who who would not support the death penaty.

Thanks Gator! I probably missed the original quote or link with the explanation. Supporting the death penaly and being a part of a death qualified jury are two different animals.

[Mac]

I've thought about this case a lot more since I saw those videos. I watched Cindy Anthony and George cave and talk to their daughter as if she were in the hospital getting her tonsils out and her Betsy Wetsy Doll went missing and they want to know what they can do for her. They tell her they miss her. They (especially George) was sickening. He sounds like a whack job.

I processed this for a couple of days and it hit me, while I wondered what I would do if I were them. Not for a moment did any of them defend the rights of the child. I would have defended nothing else. No one else.

I thought about her lame explanations of the events that surround her missing child and thought. "Even if she was kidnapped, taken out of her arms etc... How would any mother who was a mother at all allow anyone to do that without going hysterical and calling for help. That damn cell phone was like a part of her body, so call the Police???? HELLO??? Police, My baby has been taken for me, help me!

Okay, so now we know she didn't do that.. We don't care why. But Cindy is sitting there with no answers and she's coddling this homicidal liar. The only answer Cindy has that is true is, Caylee is missing. If I could talk to Cindy, I'd say, "Defend the kid. Dead or alive, defend the kid!! The jury will, and I hope to hell you are on their side." A little child can't drive herself to safety or giggle in jail or keep warm in the cold or even protect herself against the wind. Adult liars like Casey can, and do, even to the point of ordering her favorite goodies in jail..

Will someone please care about the forsaken little girl! Will someone close to Casey please say it! "You killed that baby and I can't get her back, but I can help the Prosocuter make you pay for it so the beautiful innocent little angel can rest in peace..." Amen.

Thanks for letting me vent.

THere are millions of wonderful young ladies who can't have babies and pray to have one little gorgeous child like Caylee and this *@&@ goes and trashes a life so precious... so precious.

RIP dear Caylee.



Read that twice.....Then Called my wife in to read this post.


I have been blogging for about 6 years, I guess, and I have NEVER read a post that made more sense and touched me and my wife more then what we just read.

Well done, and thanks.

We have been blessed with 5 daughters....ages 12,13,14,15,22. I can't imagine what our lives would be like if one of them went missing. Sorry for the strum of the heart strings......but this was a great post.!!

Well Done

[Woostock]

Danagher

What a great post! My daughter, whom is adopted, is unable to have a child and I have often thought of just that. She is in the process of adopting and yes, indeed, she has seen many doctors but they all conclude the same thing.I wasn't going to bring that up but I have often thought of how unfair that is..

[Gatordog]

Just finished watching Lee's second visit to the liar. Something struck me like a ton of bricks or a slap on the head :punch: - Casey, I mean the liar, tells Lee that "she knows in her gut that they are all going to be with Caylee again". Not that Caylee will be home with them, or that Caylee will be be back with the family. The way she phrased it is the way you say it when someone has died. To me it sounds as if they will be with her when they go to her instead of Caylee going to them.

Gator

[Woostock]

That's the way I would interpret that statement as well. She is really a piece of work....

[Gatordog]

That's the way I would interpret that statement as well. She is really a piece of work....

Her own ego is going to be her downfall. She just can't stop talking about herself and that's what's going to hang her.

[Gatordog]

I've thought about this case a lot more since I saw those videos. I watched Cindy Anthony and George cave and talk to their daughter as if she were in the hospital getting her tonsils out and her Betsy Wetsy Doll went missing and they want to know what they can do for her. They tell her they miss her. They (especially George) was sickening. He sounds like a whack job.

I processed this for a couple of days and it hit me, while I wondered what I would do if I were them. Not for a moment did any of them defend the rights of the child. I would have defended nothing else. No one else.

I thought about her lame explanations of the events that surround her missing child and thought. "Even if she was kidnapped, taken out of her arms etc... How would any mother who was a mother at all allow anyone to do that without going hysterical and calling for help. That damn cell phone was like a part of her body, so call the Police???? HELLO??? Police, My baby has been taken for me, help me!

Okay, so now we know she didn't do that.. We don't care why. But Cindy is sitting there with no answers and she's coddling this homicidal liar. The only answer Cindy has that is true is, Caylee is missing. If I could talk to Cindy, I'd say, "Defend the kid. Dead or alive, defend the kid!! The jury will, and I hope to hell you are on their side." A little child can't drive herself to safety or giggle in jail or keep warm in the cold or even protect herself against the wind. Adult liars like Casey can, and do, even to the point of ordering her favorite goodies in jail..

Will someone please care about the forsaken little girl! Will someone close to Casey please say it! "You killed that baby and I can't get her back, but I can help the Prosocuter make you pay for it so the beautiful innocent little angel can rest in peace..." Amen.

Thanks for letting me vent.

THere are millions of wonderful young ladies who can't have babies and pray to have one little gorgeous child like Caylee and this *@&@ goes and trashes a life so precious... so precious.

RIP dear Caylee.

You are 100 percent right. I met Cindy and George. When I said that the public is looking for Caylee and what more did she want from us and she should be doing more to find her. She tore into me like a hungry dog into a Quarter Pounder. She accused me of wanting Caylee to be dead. She should be tearing into the liar that way.

[Woostock]

Cindy is a lost cause. You can't expect much from her. You would think she'd be reading the riot act to find the truth of what happened to her grand child but she has taken a different route and made herself look like an enabler. I guess we are all different but if my grandchild went missing I'd get to the bottom of it and it wouldn't matter who I thru under the bus. I would be relentless, even if it were one of my children who was a suspect.

[deputydi]

Deputidi,

My question was: If Casey was found to be legally sane but mentally ill, would she go to prison or a mental hospital? Would you (or anyone else) happen to know?
She would go straight to jail. I don't know about FL law, but in PA there is no such charge (legally sane but mentally ill). An insanity defense is rarely successful anyway and Casey doesn't come close to meeting the required standard. During her penalty phase they will probably try to gain some sympathy by presenting evidence that she is mentally unstable, but it won't have any bearing on the guilt phase. All MOO. of course.

[deputydi]

I've thought about this case a lot more since I saw those videos. I watched Cindy Anthony and George cave and talk to their daughter as if she were in the hospital getting her tonsils out and her Betsy Wetsy Doll went missing and they want to know what they can do for her. They tell her they miss her. They (especially George) was sickening. He sounds like a whack job.

I processed this for a couple of days and it hit me, while I wondered what I would do if I were them. Not for a moment did any of them defend the rights of the child. I would have defended nothing else. No one else.

I thought about her lame explanations of the events that surround her missing child and thought. "Even if she was kidnapped, taken out of her arms etc... How would any mother who was a mother at all allow anyone to do that without going hysterical and calling for help. That damn cell phone was like a part of her body, so call the Police???? HELLO??? Police, My baby has been taken for me, help me!

Okay, so now we know she didn't do that.. We don't care why. But Cindy is sitting there with no answers and she's coddling this homicidal liar. The only answer Cindy has that is true is, Caylee is missing. If I could talk to Cindy, I'd say, "Defend the kid. Dead or alive, defend the kid!! The jury will, and I hope to hell you are on their side." A little child can't drive herself to safety or giggle in jail or keep warm in the cold or even protect herself against the wind. Adult liars like Casey can, and do, even to the point of ordering her favorite goodies in jail..

Will someone please care about the forsaken little girl! Will someone close to Casey please say it! "You killed that baby and I can't get her back, but I can help the Prosocuter make you pay for it so the beautiful innocent little angel can rest in peace..." Amen.

Thanks for letting me vent.

THere are millions of wonderful young ladies who can't have babies and pray to have one little gorgeous child like Caylee and this *@&@ goes and trashes a life so precious... so precious.

RIP dear Caylee.
I agree with every word of your "vent". Thanks for sharing it.

I've spent a lot of time defending Cindy and trying to understand her state of denial. Watching her pander to this piece of sh** daughter makes me just want to shake her. I can't say I wouldn't support my daughter in a similar situation, but trust me -- I would get the truth out of her no matter what it was. Mothers know instinctively when their kids are lying and no one can tell me that Cindy is any different.

I always told my kids "the truth can't possibly get you in as much trouble with me than catching you in a lie." I may not like what they do, but my love is unconditional.

[mu8shark]

I don't think there is any doubt that Casey has a serious personality disorder, but she's not insane in any legal sense of the word. Yep I totally agree. A personality disorder will not get her off or in some kind of institution. In less than 1 per cent of the cases where this is attempted it is successful. I was reading a new Ann Rule book and the McNaugton Rule pretty much implicates that if you try to cover it up you knew right from wrong. She is not going to get that luxury as she covered everything she could up.

[lighthousedazy]

I do hope that Casey Anthony gets a much stiffer and longer sentence than these 2 women, especially the first one:
http://www.thestate.com/statewire/story/612999.html
http://www.thestate.com/statewire/story/613017.html

In my opinion, the McKinney woman seems like a casey anthony.

[mu8shark]

Deputidi,

My question was: If Casey was found to be legally sane but mentally ill, would she go to prison or a mental hospital? Would you (or anyone else) happen to know? There is no such thing as a legally sane but mentally ill. There is a guilty but insane but here is the definition of that in FLorida and Casey does not fit it because she covered her tracks so she knew it was wrong. Under Florida law, she can be considered insane if she suffered from a mental infirmity at the time of the alleged crime and, as a result, failed to grasp the consequences of her action or its wrongness. According to standard jury instructions, "unrestrained passion or ungovernable temper," even if they eclipse normal judgment, do not equate with insanity."The essence of an insanity defense is the defendant must in some medium admit the offense," said veteran defense attorney Norman Cannella. "That is the heart of the defense. Note too she has to say she did it, she has to admit the offense. I do not foresee this at all. Hope this helps.

[mu8shark]

I too am disappointed that they took the DP off the table but I do not think it is because Baez has made any kind of deal . Here is what I think. they can't prove premeditation. I think because of the googlel searches she meant to kill her , no accident. That is me personally but what I see on many message boards is that she was chloroforming her as a way to babysit her and it was an accident. Although it is felony murder and they could go for the DP as a matter of legality, realistically a jury is going to have trouble with it. They are going to take it off the table now so that the jury pool won't be so troubled by it, that is my opinion. And as a matter of strategy it makes sense to me. I f ing hate it but they I think a jury will have an easier time convicting if they think in the back of their minds they won't have to decide life or death, although they will not in the guilt phase discuss any penalty whatsoever, it will be in the back of some jurors minds. I just see so many people who don't see the neck breaking and death by inhalation search as premeditated. I do. I think chloroform was an easy way to kill, no knife, no gun, no mess as far as Casey was concerned. Some people on another board think she was trying to kill Cindy and George and looked up neck breaking but I find that far fetched, how would this 100 pound girl break Cindy and George's neck, it is not that easy . And chloroform once you get air, the person is revived. She would almost have to put Cindy and George in the trunk. I think all of her looking up was for Caylee. Also I think it will be really hard to pin it on someone else. Cindy was at work, Is there a reason for George to look up all this crap? I think not. And Nancy is right, if she emailed a friend before those searches or signed in, a jury will not believe George jumped in the chair and got on the comp a minute after her. Now where is that press conference the Anthonys promised. Pffft. Total BS