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[mu8shark]

Cindy Anthony tells WFTV: I'm not afraid of getting arrested
posted by halboedeker on Nov 25, 2008 11:31:11 PM
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What about the story of the hairbrush? Cindy Anthony says it's all a misunderstanding.

She told WFTV-Channel 9 that she didn't try to deceive investigators by giving them a wrong hairbrush as they searched for her missing granddaughter, Caylee, in the summer.

"Did you purposely give investigators the wrong hairbrush?" reporter Jeff Deal asked.

"No, absolutely not," Cindy Anthony said.

On its 5 p.m. news, the ABC affiliate had reported on an e-mail in which Cindy Anthony talked about giving a hairbrush to law enforcement. The station raised the possibility that Cindy might face obstruction-of-justice charges and forwarded the document to the FBI. The station led its 11 p.m. news with Cindy's response. Cindy's daughter, Casey, is charged with first-degree murder in Caylee's disappearance.

"Did I go around and try to find all the hairbrushes? No. It wasn't deception," Cindy told WFTV. She tried to clarify the confusing e-mail.

Cindy said the hairbrush she handed over was used by Caylee and Casey.

"I'm not afraid of getting arrested," Cindy Anthony said. "They know when I handed them that brush that I told them it was Casey's brush."

Cindy had shared the e-mail with former family spokesman Larry Garrison. She said she believes Garrison leaked the e-mail because the family recently fired him after learning he was collecting fees for setting up Anthony interviews. My comment, I don't believe her. Why would she not give them what they ask for and if the FBI said well just give us one that was Casey's, then why would they be looking into this and why would Larry Garrison make a big deal of this? As usual her explanation makes no sense. . You know Cindy bragged to someone she was pulling the wool over LE , just like the toothbrush remark. Apparently she thinks this is a game for someone to win.

[One2Snoop]

Yes Tracy McLaughlin is just named as Leonard's associate and got quite chummy apparently with Casey the short time they were together.

Thanks mu8! :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

According to NG - Cindy attempted to trick the FBI. Whether thats true or not I don't know but considering the path this case has taken I wouldn't doubt it. Now tell me this, WHAT THE FORK IS WRONG WITH YOU CINDY?

Cindy - What happened to the truth? what happened to your morals? I'm sorry your daughter has lied over and over again but its not your place to cover for her. By law, Casey is an adult and needs to accept responsibility for her actions. Your grandaughter is missing and possibly dead for gawd sakes! I don't get your need to deceive authorities and cover for Casey?! arrrrrgh! :cuss: Enough already.

[One2Snoop]

Watching the rerun of NG - Cindy is out of her mind. LP said Cindy broke down and cried once she realized Caylee may be dead and Casey was responsible then she went on the defensive.

And she wonders why no one believes Caylee is alive? OMG woman, open your eyes.
Thank god I'm not even closely eligible to be in Casey's Jury pool.

In all honesty I'll be amazed if they're successful in finding an impartial jury at this point in time.

[samanthajane13]

I'll volunteer!!!

I'll even carry out the sentence!!!

:D

[mu8shark]

According to Dominic Casey, the Anthonys investigator (better known as the DB you know what I called him before, y'all laughed at it) the reason the Anthonys believe the child at the mall was Caylee is three fold, the way she holds her arms, the little bald spot on her hair at the front and her coloring. So I guess this means she is white, she is pointing and since her hair is partly pulled into a ponytail, she has that little bald spot all little girls have because the hair does not lay right. It has gotten way beyond absurd now. The Anthonys are truly doing nothing more than throwing out reasonable doubt period. That is all they are shooting for. If they really wanted the truth, Cindy would never have withheld that hairbrush.

[One2Snoop]

I'll volunteer!!!

I'll even carry out the sentence!!!

:D

I'm sure everyone in cyberville - all one million of us would, given the chance, so I guess that makes you one million and one. :beer: :patriot:

[One2Snoop]

According to Dominic Casey, the Anthonys investigator (better known as the DB you know what I called him before, y'all laughed at it) the reason the Anthonys believe the child at the mall was Caylee is three fold, the way she holds her arms, the little bald spot on her hair at the front and her coloring. So I guess this means she is white, she is pointing and since her hair is partly pulled into a ponytail, she has that little bald spot all little girls have because the hair does not lay right. It has gotten way beyond absurd now. The Anthonys are truly doing nothing more than throwing out reasonable doubt period. That is all they are shooting for. If they really wanted the truth, Cindy would never have withheld that hairbrush.

ITA mu8. Why she's carried on the way she has is beyond my thinking - other than she doesn't care about the end result - that being Casey incarcerated for Caylee's death. I'm not so sure as a mother of teens I could consciously do that for them. We've done everything in our power to teach them right from wrong yet they still make stupid mistakes, but once they reach a certain age (legal age) they should know better - herein lies Cindy's problem - she no longer has control of the Casey/Caylee situation. Casey is a legal aged adult who made bad choices ultimately resulting in the death of her daughter. Cindy needs to wake up and realize that. Caylee was an innocent child who didn't know the difference between right and wrong although we all know Casey did. Cindy literally makes me sick to my stomach in thinking how she could possibly protect Casey knowing full well that Caylee is gone. :mad: She's a woman not in her right mind IMO.

[rosejustrose]

ITA mu8. Why she's carried on the way she has is beyond my thinking - other than she doesn't care about the end result - that being Casey incarcerated for Caylee's death. I'm not so sure as a mother of teens I could consciously do that for them. We've done everything in our power to teach them right from wrong yet they still make stupid mistakes, but once they reach a certain age (legal age) they should know better - herein lies Cindy's problem - she no longer has control of the Casey/Caylee situation. Casey is a legal aged adult who made bad choices ultimately resulting in the death of her daughter. Cindy needs to wake up and realize that. Caylee was an innocent child who didn't know the difference between right and wrong although we all know Casey did. Cindy literally makes me sick to my stomach in thinking how she could possibly protect Casey knowing full well that Caylee is gone. :mad: She's a woman not in her right mind IMO.

Good morning all! LTNS. Cindy is certainly a piece of work (being kind here). Here arrogance and need to insert herself into all areas of this investigation have hampered LE's efforts to the point that IMO she needs to be arrested. Of course, she's not afraid of that. I have never seen a more bizarre group of people in my life. If they truly believe that Caylee is alive, than they should be begging for her return and doing whatever they can to assist LE. It's been a long and strange journey with these people. Cindy has certainly honed her acting skills. Depending on the circumstances she comes across as a broken woman or a mean spirited big mouth. Very strange.

Well, I wish you all a very Happy Thanksgiving and with hopes that Caylee is found soon.:rose:

[sharlock]

As for the leaks I am a little suspicious frankly about LE using the Sunshine Law as a reason for them to release so much information. In the Jessica Lunsford case I don't recall every single interview being released at all. I think LE is doing it to put pressure on the Anthonys and get their case out there. I think it is part of their strategy to release almost everything. I saw a post on here before, not sure who posted it but they ask an official in Florida if all the info released was mandated by that law and they stated it was not so. So, I don't buy it. I like hearing everything but worry that it may hurt the case.

They are allowed to hold back anything for investigative purposes I beleive. I know the police have held back the family visits with Casey in jail the first time, I know that they initially said that lots of stuff was being tested for evidence at at least 2 different labs but I know we have only seen one report about the trunk and nothing to do with stuff found by searchers. I would love to know what if anything they found about the black backpack, the pink and white backpack a yellow shoe and kids clothes plus a size 5 (Caseys size) pair of jeans found in bushland not far from her home. I know its prob nothing as this was found some time ago but I still wonder.

[Twinners]

I just have a quick comment and a question. It seems that every time Padilla is on NG, he comes up with another little piece of info that he got from "Tracy", like seeing the beads and now hearing this. I just wonder if they have shared this info with anyone in LE. I mean, LE did go to CA to question them.:shrug::confused:
I can't help it. I find LP and his crew a little less credible each time he opens his mouth.

According to one of the forensic reports, the Anthony's computers (one desktop, one laptop) were submitted for testing on July 16th and July 17th. Padilla and Tracy weren't even involved in the case by then, were they? I suppose it's possible the Anthony's had gotten another computer by the time they did become involved. I don't know. I just find it very strange that his associate keeps remembering all of these little things now.

[Twinners]

I can't imagine it, but the child had to be in the car for a while in order for the decomposition to gain such a stench. Does' anyone know how long? If this has been discussed, let me know. I'm sort of new here. I'm sorry. I'll go find it. It's been bugging me for a while now.
From what I've read, it generally takes about two or three days for a body to begin to smell. However, things like temperature, the location of the body, injuries to the body and so forth can speed up or delay the smell. In cooler temperatures, it may take up to a week for a body to begin to smell. In warmer ones, it may only take a day.

I hope that helps. ;)

Welcome to the boards!

[Twinners]

Re: Cindy & the hairbrush. Grrrr... she is so frustrating! I've been thinking that she will only give LE information she thinks is relevant since the first day I watched one of her interviews. In my opinion, Cindy only wants LE to do one thing - find Caylee alive. To that end, I don't think she would ever willingly give them something they could use to prove she is dead.

I know a lot of people may disagree with me on this, but I really don't think Cindy is all that concerned about Casey right now. In fact, if I had to guess, aside from the way her life pertains to Caylee, I'd say Casey hasn't been Cindy's primary concern since she gave birth to Caylee nearly three years ago. Caylee has been. I think Casey hated that.

IMO, the jail phone call between Casey and Cindy, Lee and Kristina (sp?) was quite telling, especially the part where Kristina tells Casey her family is on her side and Casey says they aren't on her side, they just want Caylee.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092608jailcall/1/lg/Transcript_of_jail_call_between_Cindy_and_Casey_7-18-08_Page_08.htm

IMO, Casey was right. Caylee is what they want. She, IMO, is just a means to that end.

[NMurphy02]

I feel I'm being too hard on Cindy Anthony she does something outrageous that makes me realize the universe does not want me feeling sorry for her. She makes me SICK! How dare she do that with the hairbrush and then boo hoo that law enforcement isn't helping them find Caylee. This totally explains why Casey is the way she is. AND who is doing Cindy's makeup? Those eyebrows are HORRIBLE!

[NMurphy02]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-missing-florida-girl,0,1855045.story

Documents: Computer accessed by missing girl's mother had Web searches for 'neck breaking'
By Associated Press
12:14 PM EST, November 26, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) _ Court documents show "neck breaking" and "household weapons" were some of the Google searches performed on a computer accessible to the mother of a missing Florida 3-year-old.

The description of the searches was included in more than 700 pages of court documents released in the case this week.

The Orlando Sentinel reports that the searches also included "how to make chloraform" and took place in March. Someone also used the computer in March to search for peroxide, acetone, alcohol and "lost numbers."

The girl's mother, Casey Anthony, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and other charges in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee. The child disappeared in June, and authorities say her mother didn't report her missing until July.

[samanthajane13]

WTH!!!!

I suppose this psycho skank wil say someone broke in and used her computer to implicate her knowing THEY were gonna take Caylee...

I think I wanna puke.

[One2Snoop]

WTH!!!!

I suppose this psycho skank wil say someone broke in and used her computer to implicate her knowing THEY were gonna take Caylee...

I think I wanna puke.

Most definitely - back in March too, of all times!

[One2Snoop]

I can't imagine it, but the child had to be in the car for a while in order for the decomposition to gain such a stench. Does' anyone know how long? If this has been discussed, let me know. I'm sort of new here. I'm sorry. I'll go find it. It's been bugging me for a while now.

IIRC Kobe or one of the experts on NG said for a stench to remain like that the body had to be in the car for at least 2 weeks.

[samanthajane13]

I wish they'd throw her mangy azz into Gen Pop.

Or better yet-release her into MY custody. I promise-she'd be BEGGING to admit what she did-and begging for DP when I got finished with her.

I'd go "Clockwork Orange" on her azz.

[One2Snoop]

Correction - it was Dr. Perper who made the comment about the 2 weeks...

GRACE: That`s 16 out of 24, Dr. Perper, human decomposition. Why would the car still smell?

DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER: Well, I think that what`s obvious, that the body had to be left in that place for quite a long time, probably at least two weeks or even more. And she had all of the opportunities of hiding the body. That`s why it`s so difficult to find it.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/18/ng.01.html

[samanthajane13]

The more I hear, the more the skank infuriates me...

[Justice Denied?]

I can't help it. I find LP and his crew a little less credible each time he opens his mouth.

According to one of the forensic reports, the Anthony's computers (one desktop, one laptop) were submitted for testing on July 16th and July 17th. Padilla and Tracy weren't even involved in the case by then, were they? I suppose it's possible the Anthony's had gotten another computer by the time they did become involved. I don't know. I just find it very strange that his associate keeps remembering all of these little things now.

My point exactly. Tracy seems to know a lot of things we have never heard before. Has she shared this with LE? Or just with Padilla who shard with th media?

[Twinners]

My point exactly. Tracy seems to know a lot of things we have never heard before. Has she shared this with LE? Or just with Padilla who shard with th media?
I haven't heard of him sharing it with LE, although I think LP mentioned that he told him to call them.

[Twinners]

'Neck Breaking' Among Searches On Anthony Computer, Docs Show
Woman Accused Of Killing Missing Daughter

POSTED: 11:06 am EST November 26, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Internet searches conducted on the computer seized from the home of Casey Anthony's parents included "how to make chloroform" and "neck breaking," according to documents released on Wednesday.

Casey Anthony, 22, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and other charges and faces life in prison if convicted of killing her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee. The Orlando toddler was last seen on June 16, but her mother did not report her missing until July. More than 1,000 searchers spent a weekend earlier this month looking for the toddler's body, but it has not been recovered.

Forensic tests allegedly show that chloroform was present in Anthony's car, leading to a search of the computer at her parents' home, where Casey and Caylee Anthony lived.

Searches conducted March 17 included "how to make chloroform," "neck breaking," and "shovel," according to the documents. There were also searches for "alcohol," "acetone," "peroxide," "hydrogen peroxide," and "death," the documents said.

It is not known who made the searches, but Casey Anthony's mother, Cindy Anthony, was at work at the time the searches were entered, according to a timesheet, which was among the released documents.

A search of "weapons out of household products" was also listed in the documents.

Another page of the documents showed a sheet of paper taken from Casey Anthony's car after it was found abandoned at an Orange County Amscot June 27 showed Casey Anthony's name written repeatedly in different variations with the last name "Lazzaro" being used with it. Tony Lazzaro was Casey Anthony's boyfriend, and he said that he told Casey Anthony that if he ever did start a family, he wanted to have sons, not daughters, according to the documents.

Also among the documents was the fact that the University of Central Florida conducted a test on gases found in the trunk of Casey Anthony's car and found no signs of human decomposition. A lab in Tennessee allegedly found signs of decomposition believed to be human.

The documents said that neighbors heard a loud fight between Cindy and Casey Anthony some time in mid-June. Casey Anthony's brother, Lee Anthony, told her ex-finace, Jesse Grund, that Cindy Anthony grabbed Casey Anthony by the neck on June 15 -- the day before Caylee was last seen -- and shook her, the documents said.

Casey Anthony told authorities she had left her daughter with a baby sitter in June and the two were gone when she returned from work. She said she spent the next month trying to find her daughter and didn't call authorities because she was scared. Investigators say they have poked several holes in her story.

Gag Order Denied

Meanwhile, a judge on Wednesday denied the state's request for a gag order in the case.

A state attorney had requested that Circuit Judge Stan Strickland limit statements by prosecutors, defense attorneys, Orange County investigators and the family of Anthony, although lawyers for both sides had agreed that any gag order should be more narrowly tailored.

Orange County Assistant State's attorney Jeff Ashton said at Tuesday's hearing that the girl's grandparents, Cindy and George Anthony, should be able to discuss their belief that Caylee is alive and their efforts to find her.

Defense attorney Jose Baez said the state has leaked much more information. But Ashton detailed several national television appearances Baez made that he said were designed to influence jurors.

Ashton said that to let it continue would "make it virtually impossible for us to find an impartial jury in the state of Florida, much less Orlando."

"There's a lot of hot air, but not a whole lot of law," Baez said of Ashton's presentation.

Baez said the First Amendment prohibits the government from ordering people what to say except in the case of "clear and present danger."

In his rebuttal, Ashton cited a Florida Supreme Court ruling that says a judge could impose the order for good cause, not just danger.

"If I go out in front of the cameras right now and say Caylee Anthony is dead, that would be grievous," Ashton said. "That's not my job."

An attorney for a local television station said a gag order now would be moot because there has been so much media coverage giving both guilty and not guilty views.

Strickland also quashed defense subpoenas for several television reporters.

Prosecution and defense attorneys' arguments sometimes grew heated, causing Strickland to admonish both benches.

"This in enough," Strickland said, exasperated. "Someone's facing life imprisonment. Let's act like we're supposed to."

http://www.local6.com/news/18151964/detail.html

[Twinners]

Computer searches detailed in missing girl case
'Neck breaking,' 'household weapons' among Google searches, records say

ORLANDO, Fla. - "Neck breaking" and "household weapons" were some of the Google searches performed on a computer accessible to the mother of missing Florida 3-year-old Caylee Anthony, according to newly released court documents.

The description of the searches was included in more than 700 pages of court documents released in the case on Wednesday.

The Orlando Sentinel reported that the searches also included "how to make chloraform" and took place in March. Someone also used the computer in March to search for peroxide, acetone, alcohol and "lost numbers."

The girl's mother, Casey Anthony, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and other charges in the disappearance of her daughter. The child disappeared in June, and authorities say her mother didn't report her missing until July.

'I honestly hate myself'

NBC affiliate WESH reported that the documents included details of a series of text messages Casey Anthony exchanged on July 16 with Tony Lazzaro, her boyfriend at the time. The messages were sent after she had gone with deputies to places searching for Caylee but before she was initially arrested.

"I am the dumbest person and the worst mother," Casey Anthony wrote in one message. "I honestly hate myself."

Later, after saying she left Caylee with the nanny, Casey Anthony wrote: "If they don't find her, guess who gets blamed and spends an eternity in jail."

Casey Anthony remains in Orange County Jail on no bond. Her trial is scheduled to begin in January.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27928174/

Video
Photos give missing tot’s grandma hope
Nov. 26: TODAY’s Meredith Vieira talks to Caylee's grandmother Cindy Anthony about the case.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27924590#27924590

[Twinners]

More documents released in Casey Anthony case

Here is what some of the newly released documents reveal:

-- That someone using the Anthonys' home computer used Google to search for "neck breaking," "how to make chloraform [sic]" and "household weapons" in March, court documents show.

The search history was included among the hundreds of pages of documents and also show that on March 17, someone Googled peroxide, acetone, alcohol and "lost numbers."

-- That in addition to the Google searches, investigators found that in March someone used Wikipedia to search for "inhalation," "chloroform," "acetone," "shovel" and "death."

A computer forensics report from a Sheriff's Office detective states that on March 21, someone used other Web sources like sci-spot.com, druglibrary.org and instructables.com for the words "making weapons out of household products," "chloroformhabit," "how to make chloroform," and "chloro2."

-- That Casey Anthony's grandmother told investigators that Casey stole from her.

-- Air samples studied by researchers at the National Center for Forensic Science at the University of Central Florida showed there was evidence of "volatile organic chemicals" in the trunk of Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire.

-- Samples showed evidence of gasoline vapors, chloroform and compounds "known to be liberated from decomposition of human remains."

But the researcher wrote that those items "does not conclusively demonstrate that human decomposition was previously present in the automobile's trunk due to other possible sources of these materials."

-- Anthony allegedly stole $354 from her grandfather's bank account in April to pay her cell phone bill. Anthony's grandmother told investigators it appears Casey got their check routing number from a birthday card they sent her in March.

-- Photographs of Anthony partying and out with friends, text messages she received and sent to others, and cell phone records were also included in the latest batch of legal documents.

In an interview with Orange County deputies and an FBI agent, Casey's grandmother, Shirley Plesea, said Casey began stealing from her in 2007.

Casey stole a check from Plesea on Caylee's second birthday in August 2007, Plesea said. Casey allegedly later used her grandmother's stolen check at Publix for $54. Plesea was mad at Casey but forgave her, the report shows.

Earlier this year Plesea noticed another check was missing.

She later found out that Casey had forged it to pay for her $354 cell phone bill, Plesea told investigators. Plesea wanted to press charges but decided not to for the sake of Caylee and Cindy, the report said.

Check back for more details.

More info at link: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-discovery-112608,0,1409870.story

[abbra]

That Meredith Viera interview is unbelieveable. Cindy Anthony is definately in denial. Someone here speculated that perhaps Casey caused Caylees demise because she was trying to get back at her parents- Maybe Casey was jealous of the relationship Cindy had with Caylee especially since Cindy and Casey had a volitile relationship.

I am also not impressed by Caseys fake crocodile tears.

[TOEJAM]

way back when the LE were going to talk to the woman that LP had staying with Casey after she was released from jail. The woman, Tracy? wanted immunity before she said anything. Does anyone know if she was ever granted the immunity or if she was ever questioned? I don't ever remember another mention of her.

[wind149]

First thing this a.m. I turn on the Today show and who do I see? Yet, another pile of crap from Cindy, reminds me a little of Susan Smith 14 years ago sobbing, but with no tears, babbling, saying to her dead children," Mama needs you to be strong now so we can find you" This is the same crap Cindy was pulling today. So many things came to light tonight, the computer searches, especially the neck breaking? WTF! Who looks up to see how a neck can be broken? Apparently one of the Anthony's did and LP brought up something. George accused Tracy one of LP's people of using the home PC without permission and LP asked her and she was like no, I did not, I have my laptop and LP said good, because they can't accuse you of doing the surfing on there and boy, were those searches telling huh? Escort services? CA thinking she gonna do the stroll? Also, stuck in my craw, Cindy once again bashing Orange County and from what I hear, they are a very professional dept, very by the book, and they believe the child is dead and are refusing to use manpower to go off on her whims, and that would be protocol 10-4 Cindy??? This loser KNOWS her daughter killed C and even a talking head said as much as I did, that Cindy is protecting her, she washed those pants on purpose and guess what kids? THE MAGGOTS AND THE PIZZA CAPER is just plain horse pucky! EMPTY BOX is all that was found so we now KNOW the maggots were not munching down on a Pizza Hut Supreme!! And Cindy the moron says "Well something was decaying there"

Can you dig the gall that this loser has? They are covering for CA and it is gonna come down to LE and the DA are gonna have them all by the hairs, and then I remembered something on the first 911 tape when Cindy asks dispatch to send an officer over to arrest her for stealing and clearly you hear her say to CA," I gave you 30 days" What do you make of that knowing what we all know now? Did she mean that she gave her 30 days to get out or 30 days are up and now I am calling the police and report C missing? That 30 day leeway bothers me, I actually have laid awake at night pondering this, I asked the trooper questions from a law enforcement perspective, if they ALL waited 30 days to report C missing then the whole family needs to go down in flames. If my cat who luckily does not go out, came up missing, I would be frantic, I have coyotes in the back north 40, there are bears and while my drive is aways from the road, I would be freaking out, and these morons, actually waited 30 days to report a child missing to cover up for their daughter who has murdered her? I think the trial is going to reveal a lot more than we know, and LP said that he overheard George saying that he could not take it anymore and was sick of living a lie and this was also heard by his former cop buddy Jim Smith from OH, Wanna bet they call him as a witness? Also the Gag Order. Baez would never ask for one, he likes to grandstand too much and I Hope these networks will get a clue and lose Cindy's number, as no one is interested to hear more bull**** from her mouth.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm no rocket surgeon, but it's pretty clear that LP wants to implicate Lee in the escort service searches. But Whu The Fock googles shovel? And that sheet of paper with Tony's name written over and over; just what is Casey's IQ? Or EQ?

Gawd I want Cindy charged with obstruction.

[mu8shark]

way back when the LE were going to talk to the woman that LP had staying with Casey after she was released from jail. The woman, Tracy? wanted immunity before she said anything. Does anyone know if she was ever granted the immunity or if she was ever questioned? I don't ever remember another mention of her.Leonard said they definitely wanted to interview her and at the time she had some information that made her ask for immunity. I doubt she needed it, Unless she planned, carried out or disposed of the body , she would not need it. Even if Casey said to her(which I bet she did not) I did it, the police could not charge Tracy for not coming forward.

[mu8shark]

I'm no rocket surgeon, but it's pretty clear that LP wants to implicate Lee in the escort service searches. But Whu The Fock googles shovel? And that sheet of paper with Tony's name written over and over; just what is Casey's IQ? Or EQ?

Gawd I want Cindy charged with obstruction. He might think it is Lee but I don't. If Lee has a good job, I am sure he can afford his own comp and from what I understand he does not live with them. Think about it, if you live by yourself and you have your own comp you search for porn on your own comp, not your Mom and Dad's. I think it was Casey , thinking she would get a high paying, free wheeling easy job after she killed Caylee. And man do I think it was premediated!! Let me ask you guys something, how many of you have looked up neck breaking? Raise your hands, none of you, that is what I thought. Also, just my two cents on this thing Casey said about being the dumbest person and the worst Mom, I think it was the only time she told the truth. I think since it was right after her police interview it hit her , man I told the stupidest story, this is not going to work.

[lorettalockhorn]

He might think it is Lee but I don't. If Lee has a good job, I am sure he can afford his own comp and from what I understand he does not live with them. Think about it, if you live by yourself and you have your own comp you search for porn on your own comp, not your Mom and Dad's. I think it was Casey , thinking she would get a high paying, free wheeling easy job after she killed Caylee. And man do I think it was premediated!! Let me ask you guys something, how many of you have looked up neck breaking? Raise your hands, none of you, that is what I thought. Also, just my two cents on this thing Casey said about being the dumbest person and the worst Mom, I think it was the only time she told the truth. I think since it was right after her police interview it hit her , man I told the stupidest story, this is not going to work.

I take whatever comes out of LP's mouth with a pillar of salt. As far as I'm concerned, at this point, he's shooting for his sixteenth minute of fame.

[lighthousedazy]

My eyes are bad. I will stand to the death to defend our constitution. But this evil ***** - Casey, I cannot defend her for innocent until proven guilty. As far as Lee goes, I think he realizes what his sister did and he is trying to distance himself from all of it. He knows that she murdered her child and if he is smart he will get away from it. jmo :(

[Twinners]

Excerpts from Anthony discovery documents

Casey describes babysitter as "definitely someone I trust"

Anthony told authorities she had left her daughter with a baby sitter in June and the two were gone when she returned from work. She says she spent the next month trying to find her daughter and didn't call authorities because she was scared. Investigators say they have poked several holes in her story.

Through instant messaging, an acquaintance of Casey's inquires about her babysitter. Excerpts are taken from an exchange on Sunday, July 13 -- three days before Caylee was reported missing -- between Casey and Youriev Donov, 24, of Orlando:

CA: i didn't ever want to live in an apartment, but i don't if me getting a house is the best idea ... not right now

YD: yeah good idea, so what do u do when u work? with the kid that is

CA: i have a nanny. i love her.

YD: nice. how much do they charge?

CA: we've been friends for over 6 years. definitely someone i trust. it just depends. i pay her a lot more than most nanny's make. it's worth it though

YD: yeah i understand

CA: she's a friend. between myself, and one of my coworkers, its her main source of income

And in another exchange on Monday, July 14:

CA: [expletive], even outside of a relationship, i'm probably not in the best spot either

YD: why?

CA: i'm pretty hung up on tony, and realistically, if he moves back to new york next year, my relationship will end. sucks to know that inevitably, unless i were to drop everything, i'm going to love someone close to me

YD: then why dig a deeper whole [sic]? i couldn't do that to myself

CA: that's why i'm torn right now

"I am the dumbest person and the worst mother"

Caylee had not been seen for several days. The child's grandmother first called authorities in July to say she hadn't seen Caylee for a month and her daughter's car smelled like death. Cell phone records include text messages in which Casey calls herself "the worst mother," and calls Caylee a "little snothead," according to the documents. Here are a few excerpts from a text exchange between Tony Lazzaro and Casey Anthony through a Blackberry device on July 16 -- the day Caylee was reported missing:

CA: I'm so sorry for not telling you what happened .. we obviously need to talk. I need you .. and i love you more than you know.

TL: Where is Caylee?

CA: I honestly don't know ..

TL: I don't know ... R u serious? When did u find out?

CA: I've been filing reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments i had taken her to.

TL: Y wouldn't you tell me of all people I was ur boyfriend that cares about you and ur daughter. Doesnt make sense to me Why would u lie to me

CA: I lied to everyone. What was i supposed to say? i trust my daughter with some psycho. How does that look?

TL: Idk what to say .. I just hope your daughter is okay and im gonna do watever to help ur family and the cops

CA: i was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing and most important person is my life is missing. I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. I honestly hate myself. The most important thing is getting caylee back but i truly hpe that you can forgive me .. granted i will never be able to forgive myself.

TL: Who is this zanny nanny person

CA: Someone i had net [sic] through a mutual friend almost 4 years ago. She used be my buddy jeffs nanny before she became mine. i'm scared

Email fragment: "What the hell is going on?"

The following is what appears to be fragments of Yahoo web mail recovered from Casey's computer. It reads:

"can't sleep, stupid hot flashes wake me up then I start thinking about you and Caylee. Dad said he went to work at 9am and got home at 630p, he said he did not come home in between. I don't know who or what to believe anymore." The email goes on, "You told me everyday that you were going to call me and you haven't but you choose to call when you know I won't be home. What the hell is going on? I've tried not to bug you to death but I still haven't gotten to see pictures of Caylee or gotten to speak to her. It's been over a month now. Am I ever going to see her again? Are you still with Jeff? Are you going back to work"? The author of the email goes on to write, "I'm not sure how much longer I can continue on this day to day course. I'm going freakin nuts not knowing what's going on with you. I had a breakdown at work, can't take much more."

Also of interest

Other documents of interest include a 911call made in November of last year in from the Arden Villas Apartments in East Orange County. It appears, Jessie Grund reported that Casey was experiencing a seizure. The operator notes that Casey was "unresponsive and shaking" and that she had experienced "nausea all day and was drinking heavily" the night before.

In other developments, Casey's grandmother, Shirely Plesea told authorities that Casey had made an unathorized transfer from her husband's bank account in April of 2008 in the amount of $354 to pay a cell phone bill. Plesea believed Casey got the bank routing numbers from a check she included in a birthday card, sent to Casey in March.


More w/link: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7953974&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

I'd guess Cindy is the author of the email.

[joekuhl79]

First thing this a.m. I turn on the Today show and who do I see? Yet, another pile of crap from Cindy, reminds me a little of Susan Smith 14 years ago sobbing, but with no tears, babbling, saying to her dead children," Mama needs you to be strong now so we can find you" This is the same crap Cindy was pulling today. So many things came to light tonight, the computer searches, especially the neck breaking? WTF! Who looks up to see how a neck can be broken? Apparently one of the Anthony's did and LP brought up something. George accused Tracy one of LP's people of using the home PC without permission and LP asked her and she was like no, I did not, I have my laptop and LP said good, because they can't accuse you of doing the surfing on there and boy, were those searches telling huh? Escort services? CA thinking she gonna do the stroll? Also, stuck in my craw, Cindy once again bashing Orange County and from what I hear, they are a very professional dept, very by the book, and they believe the child is dead and are refusing to use manpower to go off on her whims, and that would be protocol 10-4 Cindy??? This loser KNOWS her daughter killed C and even a talking head said as much as I did, that Cindy is protecting her, she washed those pants on purpose and guess what kids? THE MAGGOTS AND THE PIZZA CAPER is just plain horse pucky! EMPTY BOX is all that was found so we now KNOW the maggots were not munching down on a Pizza Hut Supreme!! And Cindy the moron says "Well something was decaying there"

Can you dig the gall that this loser has? They are covering for CA and it is gonna come down to LE and the DA are gonna have them all by the hairs, and then I remembered something on the first 911 tape when Cindy asks dispatch to send an officer over to arrest her for stealing and clearly you hear her say to CA," I gave you 30 days" What do you make of that knowing what we all know now? Did she mean that she gave her 30 days to get out or 30 days are up and now I am calling the police and report C missing? That 30 day leeway bothers me, I actually have laid awake at night pondering this, I asked the trooper questions from a law enforcement perspective, if they ALL waited 30 days to report C missing then the whole family needs to go down in flames. If my cat who luckily does not go out, came up missing, I would be frantic, I have coyotes in the back north 40, there are bears and while my drive is aways from the road, I would be freaking out, and these morons, actually waited 30 days to report a child missing to cover up for their daughter who has murdered her? I think the trial is going to reveal a lot more than we know, and LP said that he overheard George saying that he could not take it anymore and was sick of living a lie and this was also heard by his former cop buddy Jim Smith from OH, Wanna bet they call him as a witness? Also the Gag Order. Baez would never ask for one, he likes to grandstand too much and I Hope these networks will get a clue and lose Cindy's number, as no one is interested to hear more bull**** from her mouth.

The thing about Cindy "giving Casey 30 days"...Cindy was not aware that anything may have happened except after their fight, Casey was keeping Caylee from Cindy out of spite. The day George and Cindy found the car, Cindy tracked down Casey and forced the issue. Casey at first told Cindy that Caylee was with the sitter and blah blah blah like she'd been telling her (over the phone and by texting) for the 30 days that Casey and Caylee were gone. Then Casey comes up with this Zani the nanny story and says that Caseys been missing for 30 days and she's been trying to find her herself. That's what Cindy is to refering to when she mentions "I've given you thirty days"...

[mu8shark]

Well I am going to come out and say it again. I do not think Cindy even cares where Caylee is at this point, she is obsessed with getting her daughter off.period. Why in the world would she, in an interview call Casey very reliable, very responsible , when in truth she went to a therapist because she stole and she was having so much trouble with her? . George said they fought over the fact Casey did not have a job. Lee said they fought because Cindy called Caylee an unfit mother .Contrast that with Cindy's statement to police Cindy either has a warped sense of values , ie if you steal or lie you are still considered responsible and reliable or she is lying about her daughter. When they told George in that interview what Cindy said about Casey and how good she is, he said 'Wow'. Now that is my reaction, that and anger.:flamemad: This woman gave them the wrong hairbrush on purpose, she would not turn over the pants until they got a search warrant, she lied when she said she had turned over her cell phone and charge records and they had to get a warrant for those. I totally see where Casey gets it that it is okay and the end justifies the means. In this case, the means and only means is getting Casey off. And no more cutting George some slack, it is time for him to man up.

[mu8shark]

I take whatever comes out of LP's mouth with a pillar of salt. As far as I'm concerned, at this point, he's shooting for his sixteenth minute of fame. I usually agree with most of your posts but we part ways on this one. Leonard is what he is and does not seem to make any bones about it. I would take his truths over that phoney baloney Tim Miller anyday. I think Leonard is telling the truth on most things. His opinions may not be what everything else's are and he might have some wild theories, but I think he has not given up and I give him points for that. I also give him points for standing up to Cindy, which Tim Miller failed to do. We just agree to disagree on this.

[mu8shark]

From what I've read, it generally takes about two or three days for a body to begin to smell. However, things like temperature, the location of the body, injuries to the body and so forth can speed up or delay the smell. In cooler temperatures, it may take up to a week for a body to begin to smell. In warmer ones, it may only take a day.

I hope that helps. ;)

Welcome to the boards! I sort of have a question about this, I am not disputing the experts but would it not smell just as much is the body was somewhere else for a while and then put back in the trunk? I mean would the body have to be back there the entire time or could it be for instance somewhere else like the backyard for a while and then moved.? It would still smell a lot because it had been decomposing for so long, no? I am just wondering. Although I kind of think if it was in the backyard it was for a very short time. Anyone have any thought on this? Or why the dogs hit on the backyard?

[deacon]

Well I am going to come out and say it again. I do not think Cindy even cares where Caylee is at this point, she is obsessed with getting her daughter off.period. Why in the world would she, in an interview call Casey very reliable, very responsible , when in truth she went to a therapist because she stole and she was having so much trouble with her? . George said they fought over the fact Casey did not have a job. Lee said they fought because Cindy called Caylee an unfit mother .Contrast that with Cindy's statement to police Cindy either has a warped sense of values , ie if you steal or lie you are still considered responsible and reliable or she is lying about her daughter. When they told George in that interview what Cindy said about Casey and how good she is, he said 'Wow'. Now that is my reaction, that and anger.:flamemad: This woman gave them the wrong hairbrush on purpose, she would not turn over the pants until they got a search warrant, she lied when she said she had turned over her cell phone and charge records and they had to get a warrant for those. I totally see where Casey gets it that it is okay and the end justifies the means. In this case, the means and only means is getting Casey off. And no more cutting George some slack, it is time for him to man up.

Cindy can not admit, in public, that her daughter is anything but perfect.
Why? Because it will make her (cindy) look like she doesn't have the perfect family and that she may have made mistakes in raising her daughter.
She (cindy) must have a perfect family no matter how many lies she must tell or who gets hurt in the process. She can not "lose face" over her husband or children. They must all be perfect in the public's eyes or it makes her look bad.

[deacon]

I sort of have a question about this, I am not disputing the experts but would it not smell just as much is the body was somewhere else for a while and then put back in the trunk? I mean would the body have to be back there the entire time or could it be for instance somewhere else like the backyard for a while and then moved.? It would still smell a lot because it had been decomposing for so long, no? I am just wondering. Although I kind of think if it was in the backyard it was for a very short time. Anyone have any thought on this? Or why the dogs hit on the backyard?

I would think it would have smelled just as bad, what was being said is that it may have taken sometime to get all through the car like it did

[TLC]

Watched NG last night as usual- liked Mike Brooks BTW -he is a good host. I have to go against the grain here on LP, I don't think he is trying for his 16th min, I think he's trying to provoke a response. I think most of his tidbits are for a reaction from any or all of the A's. They know he was inside, or tracy was, he knows more than he lets on maybe because he wants to be the one to solve this, or maybe he just likes the 'chase" in either case i think he dribbles info to try to get them to respond and whatever response he gets may contain some info. May be way off base, but that's how I see him. Read his creds, he is no dummy.Look at him when he speaks, he is intelligent, not backwater no matter how much of a cowboy he acts.

[lorettalockhorn]

I usually agree with most of your posts but we part ways on this one. Leonard is what he is and does not seem to make any bones about it. I would take his truths over that phoney baloney Tim Miller anyday. I think Leonard is telling the truth on most things. His opinions may not be what everything else's are and he might have some wild theories, but I think he has not given up and I give him points for that. I also give him points for standing up to Cindy, which Tim Miller failed to do. We just agree to disagree on this.

I have no idea what the details are regarding Tim Miller's and Cindy's relationship, so I'll not even take a guess. But I see LP as an ex-con vying to beome Dog Chapman Jr. and throwing out bits and pieces of information in order to have a standing invitation from Nancy Grace. Just get bad vibes from him and Rob too. And I suppose the fact that he and Rob set up their website to take donations for TES in a manner that made them not tax deductible, but didn't warn the contributors of that fact makes me think that he is possibly habitually shady. Maybe he spends too much time with a criminal and fringe element and it has worn off on his character.

Tim Miller has a solid reputation in search and rescue and recovery. That is why I respect him. LP doesn't have that going for him, even if he could claim that he's the best doggone bounty hunter in the world. And then there's that toothpick!

But it's fine with me if we disagree here.

[lorettalockhorn]

ITA mu8. Why she's carried on the way she has is beyond my thinking - other than she doesn't care about the end result - that being Casey incarcerated for Caylee's death. I'm not so sure as a mother of teens I could consciously do that for them. We've done everything in our power to teach them right from wrong yet they still make stupid mistakes, but once they reach a certain age (legal age) they should know better - herein lies Cindy's problem - she no longer has control of the Casey/Caylee situation. Casey is a legal aged adult who made bad choices ultimately resulting in the death of her daughter. Cindy needs to wake up and realize that. Caylee was an innocent child who didn't know the difference between right and wrong although we all know Casey did. Cindy literally makes me sick to my stomach in thinking how she could possibly protect Casey knowing full well that Caylee is gone. :mad: She's a woman not in her right mind IMO.

I think she knows and just doesn't give a rat's patootie. And I cannot reiterate enough how I want her charged with obstruction.

Every day and every new bizarre bit of news/duplicity makes me realize that Caylee is in a better place.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh mu8, I was just thinking about my comment about bad vibes. Too bad I don't have specific feelings about where to find Caylee, I could join Gale St. Johns. (Another strange remora attached to this case.) :hat:

For some reason, I am still hopeful that Caylee will be found. And will be grateful no matter who finds her.

[lorettalockhorn]

P.S. Happy Turkey Day!!!!! to the great group of American's here :beer:

Thanks and ditto! :seeya:

[samanthajane13]

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe George was the one looking up escorts on-line??

Living with Cindy-could anyone really blame him for wanting a little loving in his life???

If I was a guy-and had to wake up to that HARPY EVERYDAY-I'd shoot myself with my own gun...:(

[4u2]

Haven't been on in awhile...but still watching Nancy G....I still believe from that Cindy knows that Caylee is dead and where she helped Caylee put her body. She needs to keep up with this "Caylee is alive bull crap - otherwise, it will be a dead give aways that she knew quite awhile ago about everything.

[Justice Denied?]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-missing-florida-girl,0,1855045.story

Documents: Computer accessed by missing girl's mother had Web searches for 'neck breaking'
By Associated Press
12:14 PM EST, November 26, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) _ Court documents show "neck breaking" and "household weapons" were some of the Google searches performed on a computer accessible to the mother of a missing Florida 3-year-old.

The description of the searches was included in more than 700 pages of court documents released in the case this week.

The Orlando Sentinel reports that the searches also included "how to make chloraform" and took place in March. Someone also used the computer in March to search for peroxide, acetone, alcohol and "lost numbers."

The girl's mother, Casey Anthony, has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder and other charges in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee. The child disappeared in June, and authorities say her mother didn't report her missing until July.
after reading this article, I honestly think Casey was planning to wipe out the whole family. She is absolutely diabolical.

[Justice Denied?]

I honestly think the defense will attack the physical evidence: forensics, lab tests, etc. and stand silent on everything else. That's just going by the witness list.

[Justice Denied?]

At the risk of sounding mean i could not help but notice Cindy's brows. What the hay???? Found it interesting how much Cindy talks Casey talk Re: Her response to not handing over Caylee's hairbrush. Sounded wa......y to familiar.:rose:
How about the comment that sheshould have given them the toothbrushh she used to brush the dog's teeth instead of Caylee's? Strange......I just wonder what else she's done to lead LE astray.

In my opinion, she realizes Caylee is dead and is doing everything to save Casey.

[One2Snoop]

I honestly think the defense will attack the physical evidence: forensics, lab tests, etc. and stand silent on everything else. That's just going by the witness list.

I believe forensics and DNA will over shadow the defense in more ways than imaginable. JMO. Who cares if they remain silent on the other issues - just shows guilt IMO.

[Justice Denied?]

WOW! This is extremely interesting. It gives a better profile of the messy family dynamics! Could Casy have killed Caylee to spite her mother? Father?
I have thought from the very begining that Casey killed Caylee to spite Cindy. I'll bet Cindy threatened to go for custody and Casey made sure she never got it.

[Justice Denied?]

I take whatever comes out of LP's mouth with a pillar of salt. As far as I'm concerned, at this point, he's shooting for his sixteenth minute of fame.
Loretta,
You absolutelt cack me up. First it was "Rocket Surgeon". Is that like a brain scientist? Now Padilla's words are taken with a pillar of salt. I've had my best laugh all day.
thanks LOL

[Justice Denied?]

I believe forensics and DNA will over shadow the defense in more ways than imaginable. JMO. Who cares if they remain silent on the other issues - just shows guilt IMO.

I believe the prosecution has an awfully good case and that Casey will get LWOP. My one question is how they will tie it to Casey and prove she was the one who harmed Caylee? Is the computer and the fact it's her car enough?

[One2Snoop]

I believe the prosecution has an awfully good case and that Casey will get LWOP. My one question is how they will tie it to Casey and prove she was the one who harmed Caylee? Is the computer and the fact it's her car enough?

I believe her computer is the biggest link to all of this and will turn out to be her worst enemy. Remember how Padilla made a statement way back about how we'd all be shocked when everything came out - read the latest update below.....

[One2Snoop]

Casey Documents Talk Of Chloroform, Neck-Breaking And Incest
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 – updated: 7:26 am EST November 27, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Nearly 700 pages of evidence released in the Casey Anthony case contain disturbing internet searches, a accusation of a frame-up and allegations of potential incest in the Anthony family.

The investigation has brought out accusations Casey had been making against those closest to her, namely that her father George has abused her, and that her brother Lee made inappropriate sexual advances toward her once when she was in junior high. The documents show Casey said her mother Cindy did not believe that to be true.

The newly released court documents show Casey Anthony searched for information on chloroform, types of shovels and neck-breaking on her computer in the time before her young daughter Caylee disappeared.

The documents reveal that Casey searched those items in March, at the same time she was also looking on missing children web sites. Casey reported her daughter missing in June. Casey claims she left Caylee with a babysitter but that person has never been found and Casey now stands charged with Caylee’s murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18155274/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Even if Casey killed Caylee because of her screwed up family dynamics, Caylee did not deserve to die because of that situation, IMO. It doesn't make it right no matter how you look at it and to continue to mislead and lie to LE makes it even worse for her IMO. Why didn't Casey just break down and tell the truth in the beginning? I bet she'd have a good percentage of the public on her side if she'd done the right thing by telling the truth in the first place. Maybe this was Casey's goal :shrug: her family brought her down and she's going to drag them down with her - perhaps this is why Cindy is fighting tooth and nail to find a live Caylee? :shrug:

[lorettalockhorn]

Even if Casey killed Caylee because of her screwed up family dynamics, Caylee did not deserve to die because of that situation, IMO. It doesn't make it right no matter how you look at it and to continue to mislead and lie to LE makes it even worse for her IMO. Why didn't Casey just break down and tell the truth in the beginning? I bet she'd have a good percentage of the public on her side if she'd done the right thing by telling the truth in the first place. Maybe this was Casey's goal :shrug: her family brought her down and she's going to drag them down with her - perhaps this is why Cindy is fighting tooth and nail to find a live Caylee? :shrug:

Cindy is a controlling harridan, George and Lee want in her pants, and she didn't give a rat's ass about having a child. Why didn't she simply sell Caylee to her parents and take the money and start a new life?

I think the judge nailed it when he said that Casey and the truth are strangers.

[One2Snoop]

FAMILY TENSION


The released documents show Grund also told investigators Cindy wanted Caylee to call her "Mommy" in front of Casey.

Casey's parents' financial problems almost shattered their marriage but ended up saving it because Cindy couldn't afford divorce. The investigation showed Cindy supported George for years. He lost thousands of dollars in a U.K. lottery scam.

The documents also show the following:

Cindy told her mother that Caylee was her life and her mother says if not for Caylee, Cindy might have harmed herself.

Just before Caylee disappeared, Cindy was about to throw Casey out of the house and try to get custody of Caylee. She caught Casey lying. At one point, Cindy talked about choking Casey, presumably out of frustration.

Friends said Casey was "annoyingly giddy" two weeks after investigators believe Casey murdered Caylee because her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro was returning to Orlando after a trip home to New York for the Fourth of July weekend. Lazzaro told investigators that Caylee was “great” but he did remember telling Casey that he wanted to have sons, because his little sisters taught him how tough it is to raise girls.

Investigators also found Casey's doodlings, writing her name as Lazzaro's wife, with hearts in the script.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18155274/detail.html

[Twinners]

Here's some stuff I thought was interesting from newly released investigative report.

Page 1 - Report information, offense information & defendant information. Includes picture of Casey.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_01.htm

Page 2 - Victim Information. Caylee Marie Anthony. Deceased. :rose: Picture of Caylee. Also lists her next of kin - Cindy & George Anthony.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_02.htm

Page 17 - Details on the location, smell and contents of the trash bag removed from Casey's trunk. Pictures included. In short, food items were found in the bag, along with small flies and maggots. Although the bag contained a pizza box, there was no pizza. The smell from the trash was also "distinctively different" from that of the car.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_17.htm

Page 20 - Cadaver dog gave "alert" at rear passenger fender/trunk of Casey's car.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_20.htm

Page 39 - Cindy Anthony's brother talks to LE about the counselor. According to what I read, the counselor told Cindy to "kick them out". Cindy apparently said she couldn't kick her grandaughter out on the street and mentioned that Casey would try to take her. That's supposedly when the counselor told her she needed to file for custody. According to Cindy's brother, this information came from his mother, not Cindy herself. He also says he thinks Casey resented Cindy to the point where she could see Caylee liked Cindy better than her. He mentions that a baby liking their grandma was normal to him because grandma's like to spoil kids. He also mentions Casey showing up "not pregnant" (wink, wink) to his wedding and some other things. Lots of interesting stuff in his interview, IMO!

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_39.htm

Page 42 - Cindy's mom (Shirley) talks about Cindy going to see a counselor shortly after learning about Casey taking the $300 plus dollars from her (Shirley). The counselor allegedly told Cindy to kick Casey out. Her mom mentions that Cindy told her a couple of times she was going to get custody of Caylee. She says Cindy would have let Casey continue to live with them, but that she (Cindy) would have guardianship. Cindy was apparently willing to sell her house and get an apartment to get custody of Caylee. According to what I read, Cindy told her mom Casey and Caylee had left the house and were going to bond. She says this changed later to include them going on vacation and other places. She says Cindy talked to Casey during the month Caylee was missing. Casey would say they'd be home tomorrow, but tomorrow never came.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_42.htm

Page 43

DCF met with Casey at George & Cindy's house. They asked her why she needed a nanny if she wasn't working Casey said she was working and that the police had it wrong. This contradicted her previous arrest report. DCF closed their case with "verified findings of inadequate supervision and threatened harm".

TM began his search for Caylee. Parameters were based on cell tower information from Casey's phone and focused on east Orange County.

Interview with Richard Grund. Says Cindy rules the house. He says the story about Zanny hasn't changed since 2006. Talks about babysitting Caylee around three days a week during the time Casey and Jesse were engaged. He says it wasn't a problem, but it was a "severe disruption" because he works at home. So, I guess he started pressing Casey about getting someone to watch her. She did - Zanny. He goes on to say that Casey didn't like her mother or her father, at least not then.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_43.htm

[sharlock]

On one of document pages Yuri mentions a disc that is handed to the computer guys and filed under John Azzilonia. The disc is purportedly full of photos and I thought that was interesting because of the 1200 photos the police told George they have of Casey in very compromising positions; so I looked up the name and got this link http://www.modelmayhem.com/ and I will warn you that some of these photos on this website are quite risque! I can also see all of those Lee being Daddy rumours coming home to roost with the accusations Casy made and the fact that the attorney said that Cindy never came to him with Casey to fill out forms that ensured the Daddy could not come back into the picture and get rights to the child. My eyes are going blurry and I' nowhere near the end. Going to be a lonnnnng night methinks!

[Twinners]

A little more.

Page 45

Richard also said he'd spoken with Leonard Padilla often since the case began. He said LP told him the Anthony's were actively trying to frame his son. Richard also told them about an incident that happened shortly before Caylee went missing. Lee apparently told Jesse about a fight between Casey and Cindy. He supposedly said it esculated to the point of Cindy wrapping her hands around Casey's neck.

LE discovered George Anthony purchased a revolver and a box of ammunition. Ordered on August 29th and picked it up on September 4th. Casey could not have a weapon in her place of residence because of the conditions of her home confinement. The weapon was removed by home confinement officials (I think) and held for safekeeping. Casey's home confinement conditions were not violated by this incident.

[Twinners]

Page 46

Tony went in to clarify some comments he made during his polygraph test. One of them was that he told Casey one time that he wanted to have boys when he had children. He said this because he has sisters and knows what is involved in raising girls.

He talks about the day her picked he up from AmScot. He supposedly called her while waiting at the traffic light to tease her about running out of gas. She was standing by her car. She had bags with her when she walked over to his car. He asked if she needed him to look at the car. She said no, her dad would take care of it.

He was shown a photo of the contents of the trash bag from Casey's car. The bag of trash was apparently from his apartment! Tony had no explanation why she had it, especially since she was supposed to be on her way from her parent's house at the time.

June 23rd - Casey runs out of gas and calls Tony. They get the gas cans from the Anthony's. Casey called him in the afternoon and said she ran out of gas in a subdivision she cuts through to drive home. She told him to drive as if he were going to her parents house. He did and found her on Chicksaw Trail. They went through the Anthony house and into the backyard. The shed was locked, so he used a tire iron to pry it open. He didn't think it was wrong because Casey lived there and needed the gas for her car. They returned to the car. Tony handed the cans to Casey. She put the gas in the car. He didn't notice any odor while standing outside the car at that time.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_46.htm

Page 47

They talk a little about Casey's possible drug use. He mentions her smoking cannabis sometimes with he and/or his roommates. He knows of one of his roommates using Xanax, but not Casey.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_47.htm

ETA: Same page. Jesse Grund tells LE about the fight he heard about from Lee. He tells them Casey had been in a "kind of hatred state" for her mother recently. He mentions Casey going back and forth on not wanting to be like her mom and wanting to be like her mom. He talks about Casey and Cindy having a love/hate relationship. He thinks it goes all the way back to when Caylee was born. Mentions Cindy being the first to hold Caylee. Casey has apparently said that Cindy called herself mommy to Caylee in front of Casey.

Jesse mentions that in September of 2005, Casey said she didn't feel comfortable around her "blacked out word". Casey supposedly said that before then, "blacked out word" had tried to have sex with her. Casey didn't say anything else, but he believes that "blacked out word" tried to pressure her into having sex with her.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_48.htm

So it was a woman who tried it, not a man? Am I reading that right?!

[TLC]

I have thought from the very begining that Casey killed Caylee to spite Cindy. I'll bet Cindy threatened to go for custody and Casey made sure she never got it.


Totally agree - casey even said as much on the phone when she spoke about how her family only cares about Caylee etc and not on her side. Also- she stated to the poice about how caylee NEVER got upset when she spoke to her, even if she hadn't seen her for awhile etc but her mom was a different story. that was on NG last night, the first 24 hours, she GAVE them a motive right then and there when she said that. This was during the supposed noon call from Caylee the day Cindy called 911 or the day before.

[TLC]

:shrug::shrug: This can't be good. Wonder WHAT is coming Monday?

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2095

[deacon]

I think that mommy cindy knows more about casey and her antics than we know. A lot more. More than daddy george or brother lee knows. A lot of it is shown it the pictures that were published at the beginning of this. I don't think mommy cindy likes it and casey may have reacted to mom's displeasure by killing her daughter.

This sure is a weird bunch

[sharlock]

Page 46

Tony went in to clarify some comments he made during his polygraph test. One of them was that he told Casey one time that he wanted to have boys when he had children. He said this because he has sisters and knows what is involved in raising girls.

He talks about the day her picked he up from AmScot. He supposedly called her while waiting at the traffic light to tease her about running out of gas. She was standing by her car. She had bags with her when she walked over to his car. He asked if she needed him to look at the car. She said no, her dad would take care of it.

He was shown a photo of the contents of the trash bag from Casey's car. The bag of trash was apparently from his apartment! Tony had no explanation why she had it, especially since she was supposed to be on her way from her parent's house at the time.

June 23rd - Casey runs out of gas and calls Tony. They get the gas cans from the Anthony's. Casey called him in the afternoon and said she ran out of gas in a subdivision she cuts through to drive home. She told him to drive as if he were going to her parents house. He did and found her on Chicksaw Trail. They went through the Anthony house and into the backyard. The shed was locked, so he used a tire iron to pry it open. He didn't think it was wrong because Casey lived there and needed the gas for her car. They returned to the car. Tony handed the cans to Casey. She put the gas in the car. He didn't notice any odor while standing outside the car at that time.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_46.htm

Page 47

They talk a little about Casey's possible drug use. He mentions her smoking cannabis sometimes with he and/or his roommates. He knows of one of his roommates using Xanax, but not Casey.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_47.htm

ETA: Same page. Jesse Grund tells LE about the fight he heard about from Lee. He tells them Casey had been in a "kind of hatred state" for her mother recently. He mentions Casey going back and forth on not wanting to be like her mom and wanting to be like her mom. He talks about Casey and Cindy having a love/hate relationship. He thinks it goes all the way back to when Caylee was born. Mentions Cindy being the first to hold Caylee. Casey has apparently said that Cindy called herself mommy to Caylee in front of Casey.

Jesse mentions that in September of 2005, Casey said she didn't feel comfortable around her "blacked out word". Casey supposedly said that before then, "blacked out word" had tried to have sex with her. Casey didn't say anything else, but he believes that "blacked out word" tried to pressure her into having sex with her.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetone/1/lg/Anthony_pgs_2271-2320_Page_48.htm

So it was a woman who tried it, not a man? Am I reading that right?!

Twinners that is just a typo, a lot of news sites are reporting the documents without the words blacked out and they have stated that it was Lee she is accusing of coming into her room and making innappropriate sexual gestures towards her. She has also accused George of sexually molesting her.

[sharlock]

I have been thinking a lot about the premeditation angle of this case and I do think that her anger at Cindy that day made her do something well before she planned too and not in the manner she had planned. Casey was looking up missing children sites because her focus was not just ridding herself of the burden of Caylee but also to make money and that thought consumed her. I think she wanted to have Caylee going missing because of the donations that would have come pouring in. I also think that she had serious fantasies about killing her parents as well and was laying the foundations for George to look guilty. Maybe a murder suicide?

[sharlock]

Wow where is everyone lol? Still recovering from thanksgiving or just engrossed in the 700 pgs of docs released? Looky here, was Lee's Mustang repossessed I wonder, and how come none of the kids have cars in their own names if it is?

FORD MOTOR CREDIT COMPANY LLC;
PRIMUS FINANCIAL SERVICES ANTHONY CYNTHIA 11/04/2008 JUDGMENT PALM BEACH 20080401878 22938/1790

I am starting to wonder if LP wasn't on the money about Lee, but if Casey is accusing him and George untruthfully I couldn't imagine anything worse! Didn't Baden say LE knows who the father is and that it would come out at trial. I really hope this case doesn't take this direction it would be just too much!

[sharlock]

Hmmm,, that's an interesting theory! It could be practicly applied. Look at the amount the Hollways made! Millions! As for the murder suicide; I wouldn't put it passt Casey at all.

MO

Hey Danagher, I am not alone! Exactly, and their are many cases recently that could have made her think she too could cash in. The difference being none of the others were trying to cash in they were actually trying to FIND their children.

[One2Snoop]

FOrgive me, I'm having a time of it with the players initials in this story.
I'm sure of the obvious, but can someone list the names?

Cindy/mother
Casey/daughter
George/husband
Lee/brother
LP/Lenard Padilla
LE/?
Tim/search guy?
the others/????????

Color me unfilled in and one who needs to read more.

Thanks
Or I should google more.

We also have a who's who thread - I bumped it for you...
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9141126#post9141126

[Justice Denied?]

Casey Documents Talk Of Chloroform, Neck-Breaking And Incest
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 – updated: 7:26 am EST November 27, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Nearly 700 pages of evidence released in the Casey Anthony case contain disturbing internet searches, a accusation of a frame-up and allegations of potential incest in the Anthony family.

The investigation has brought out accusations Casey had been making against those closest to her, namely that her father George has abused her, and that her brother Lee made inappropriate sexual advances toward her once when she was in junior high. The documents show Casey said her mother Cindy did not believe that to be true.

The newly released court documents show Casey Anthony searched for information on chloroform, types of shovels and neck-breaking on her computer in the time before her young daughter Caylee disappeared.

The documents reveal that Casey searched those items in March, at the same time she was also looking on missing children web sites. Casey reported her daughter missing in June. Casey claims she left Caylee with a babysitter but that person has never been found and Casey now stands charged with Caylee’s murder.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18155274/detail.html

This is really interesting. My sister said at the very beginning of this case that she wondered if George or Lee could be Caylee's daddy. It sounds like Cindy was sticking her head in the Sand as usual and pretending she had the perfect family.


where is the allegation of a frame-up?

PS Thanks for posting the article.

[deacon]

This is really interesting. My sister said at the very beginning of this case that she wondered if George or Lee could be Caylee's daddy. It sounds like Cindy was sticking her head in the Sand as usual and pretending she had the perfect family.


where is the allegation of a frame-up?

PS Thanks for posting the article.

IMO just one more way of pleading Insanity. She will say she was abused as a child. Now, I have no idea whether it is true or not but I tend to think if may just be another ploy.

[lorettalockhorn]

Who is this guy??? I am still searching?? Oh dear i have a bad vibe :rose:

He's an interesting, but poor writer; apparently without spell-check and/or an editor. And also apparently David Lohr's nephew. He seems to have flip flopped like a politician regarding his support of Cindy Anthony. Guess we'll have to wait until Monday to find out why.

As for Casey's allegations of George's and Lee's inappropriate behavior or sexual abuse, it's difficult at this point to believe her. Of course, if true, it could go a long way to explain why she is the way that she is. Especially if Cindy chose not to believe her, which is NOT unusual. If George is Caylee's father, that would be known to LE after he provided DNA. And Lee's paternity could be extrapolated from the DNA from the other three Anthonys, couldn't it? And if either of them are Caylee's father, it gives even more credence to Cindy's motive to obstruct the search warrant for Caylee's DNA, and gives pause as to whom may have helped her hide Caylee's corpse, if that is a theory.

This case has to be the biggest cluster**** in the annals of crime.

Thanks for all those links, O2S. I'm wearing out my magnifying glass!

[Donna]

As for Casey's allegations of George's and Lee's inappropriate behavior or sexual abuse, it's difficult at this point to believe her. Of course, if true, it could go a long way to explain why she is the way that she is.

It would also explain why Cindy gave LE the brush with both Casey and Caylee's hair. If the DNA comes back and says George is the father, Cindy can say, "Well, of course it says that! Casey's hair was in the brush also! They tested the wrong hair!" I really hope LE has a pure Caylee DNA sample.

Donna

[Justice Denied?]

Good point! Hadn't considered that statement from the point of motive. Very astute on your part. Good work!

[Donna]

Cindy could also use this spin with Lee. "He used that brush constantly!"

I've found when something cataclysmic happens to a person, you will either see the very best of that person or you'll see the very worst, and, in either case, you're seeing the real person. I've gone from great sympathy for Cindy (we're the same age, I've also had bumps in the road raising my children -- not about the disappearance of the grandchild, but all that happened before that) to utter contempt for her. I have no doubt that if she knew in her soul of soul's that Jesse had *nothing* to do with Caylee's disappearance, she would *still* do her absolute damned best to throw him under the bus -- she would sit there and watch an innocent man be convicted of the kidnap and murder of a baby if it could help her **** of a thief daughter.

She is beneath cntempt to me.

Donna

[Justice Denied?]

Twinners that is just a typo, a lot of news sites are reporting the documents without the words blacked out and they have stated that it was Lee she is accusing of coming into her room and making innappropriate sexual gestures towards her. She has also accused George of sexually molesting her.

Just a word of caution here folks before we all get too carried away. We are talking about Casey Anthony who has told more lies that can be counted. However, I wouldn't be suprised if it weren't true. It would sure explain why Casey is so screwed up. Cindy probably knew it and ignored it.

[lorettalockhorn]

It would also explain why Cindy gave LE the brush with both Casey and Caylee's hair. If the DNA comes back and says George is the father, Cindy can say, "Well, of course it says that! Casey's hair was in the brush also! They tested the wrong hair!" I really hope LE has a pure Caylee DNA sample.

Donna

Surely the FBI is savvy enough in dealing with Cindy to have exactly what they need to differentiate between Casey's and Caylee's DNA. I've gone past believing that Cindy is in denial, but think rather that she has a Christ complex. She has to save (her) world.

You know, the defense line has been all along that we will know the truth and we will understand. I call BS; George could be found to be Caylee's father, but not Casey's (for example) and it still would not be justification for the minimum of what Casey has done; not report her daughter missing. Let alone this heinous murder.

[Donna]

Donna, as you explain your take on Cindy Anthony, my sympathy ends where yours ended. I can understand her reasons but not at the expense of innocent people. One thought occurred to me, Georges' hair is gray.

Wouldn't that matter in the analyses?

See -- here's the thing. If my daughter did something so . . . unhuman, I would still stand by her. I would visit her in prison. If she got the death penalty (and jeez, it's hard to even write *that*) if she wanted me to, I'd be there at the end. I would write her. I would try to help her find out WHY she did this. I would try to get her to see the . . . unhumanness . . . of what she did.

I would not, however, bankroll her attorney. I would cooperate with LE to the absolute best of my ability. If LE said get nekkid and quack like a duck, I would start quacking. And there's no way that I would hurt innocent people. I would advise her to plead guilty, tell the truth, and take whatever happens.

And I have faith in LE, especially the FBI. But I don't doubt for one minute that Cindy Anthony will spin whatever farfetched story she can come up with, including 'they're testing the wrong hair' to keep her world from crumbling.

I can't decide if, when she's alone at night, with only herself, she truly thinks her granddaughter is alive. Whatever. I watched those I love deal with things almost as bad, and they've become rather magical. Human beings at their very best with they are faced with the very worst life can throw at them.

I hate that woman. Women. Both of them. But I struggle with hating ain't all that good. If you hate, you don't have time to love.

Sigh . . . this is so hard.

Donna

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta as always. That's what worries me if it's true LE knows who Caylee's father is and knew so in timely fashion. I wont believe Casey surrounding abuse allegations unless some forensics can prove it thru Caylee. This just keeps getting worse. Never in my life would i believe this if i wasnt following it here. As for the writer-do u think he is credible?:hat:

Credible. hmmm First let me say that I don't hold most blog authors to the same standards that I do mainstream journalists, simply because they have a undeniable tendency to express personal opinion(s) and interpretation(s) along with less news than anything else. But Krause seems to have some reliable sources and it's great to read articles that transcend the bullchit. He just needs to work on his basic writing skills. Further, David Lohr is one true crime writer that I trust implicitly, and so far I haven't seen him refute any of Sean's facts. (Of course, you can't expect all of the bloggers to be in 100% agreement anymore than you can expect 100% of us armchair detectives/posters/bored housewives/rabble rousers/etc. to come to complete agreement.) Anyway, I love reading SK even when he honks me off!

[Twinners]

I just finished reading a bunch of emails Cindy's brother Rick sent her. I understand he may have been trying to get her to snap out of her denial, but I really hated the way he spoke to her. The way he kept piling it on made him seem like a real jerk. Regardless of the way this case ends, I'm not sure I could ever forgive him for making a difficult time even more difficult if I were her.

There were also some other emails in the set of documents I just finished reading. They were exchanges between Cindy's mom and someone else. If you're interested in learning more about Cindy's life, in general, the last few years, they're definitely worth the read, IMO.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/112608discoverysetten/indexGallery.htm

[Donna]

I think it's incredibly sweet, the email correspondence between two elderly sisters (I think) trying to come to terms with this, while at the same time GOING ON WITH THEIR LIVES. Cindy's mother is on anti-depressants, but at the same time she's talking about her sister's cat (I'm assuming Shadow is a cat), and their a/c and what they're having for lunch. Not to mention telling her daughter (Cindy) to stay off of the TV 'cause she ain't exactly coming off sounding real good.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it's incredibly sweet, the email correspondence between two elderly sisters (I think) trying to come to terms with this, while at the same time GOING ON WITH THEIR LIVES. Cindy's mother is on anti-depressants, but at the same time she's talking about her sister's cat (I'm assuming Shadow is a cat), and their a/c and what they're having for lunch. Not to mention telling her daughter (Cindy) to stay off of the TV 'cause she ain't exactly coming off sounding real good.

Was just thinking the same thing;my sister and I yammer about similar minutiae. It's a shame that Casey's filth has touched these two sweeties' lives in such an horrible way.

[Twinners]

Does anyone know anything about the suspicious incident statements that were filed on 9/12 regarding some type of hole found at the east end of Suburban Drive?

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155418.pdf

I'm just wondering if there might be more to this since each of the statements seem to specifically say they didn't call the media about finding it.

[lorettalockhorn]

Don't remember such a thing Twinners. What page is it on? Please don't make me read 51 pages, I beg you!

And why doesn't WESH redact their documents? Sheesh All kinds of personal information there.

[Twinners]

Ooops! Sorry, Loretta! I thought I gave a link directly to the first one. Don't read all 51 pages!! I'll have the page number here for you in just a second!

ETA: Page 27, Loretta!

[sharlock]

Casey would accuse the Easter Bunny of molesting her if she thought it would help her case. I don't believe one word of it. In the mean time, women who were molested for the most part are compassionate and empathetic people. They don't generally kill their children. I don't think being an incest survivor explains why Casey is what she is. (If she were molested at all) I think she is a spoiled little liar with some bad habits and has no respect for anyone. When she didn't get her way, and when little Caylee *GOT* in her way, she pushed the envelope and got what she wanted, which was freedom to party with her friends. I wouldn't believe her of she told me my house was on fire, until I saw the smoke. And when I ran out of the house, I'd make sure my wallet was with me.

JMO
LMfAO! I have found precious little to laugh about in this case but this post sure did it for me!:beer:

[sharlock]

Thanks Loretta as always. That's what worries me if it's true LE knows who Caylee's father is and knew so in timely fashion. I wont believe Casey surrounding abuse allegations unless some forensics can prove it thru Caylee. This just keeps getting worse. Never in my life would i believe this if i wasnt following it here. As for the writer-do u think he is credible?:hat:
I read Klaquses blog quite a bit and I have found him to be credible but also very opinionated. He see himself as a reporter and I think he does try to hold himself up to a reporters ideals. Don't know if that is good or bad lol, but he stated quite some time ago that he was talking to Cindy and at that point he made moves to have all Cindy bashing on his blog stopped. He ran LP into the ground as well!

[lorettalockhorn]

Ooops! Sorry, Loretta! I thought I gave a link directly to the first one. Don't read all 51 pages!! I'll have the page number here for you in just a second!

ETA: Page 27, Loretta!

Thanks so much! So this guy searched the area on 9/10 and found nothing, but on 9/12 he searched again and TES thought the hole looked like a "recently dug grave".

What does he mean by "This hole was the same hole dug by other witnesses on the scene"?

Could be interesting despite the fact that TES came back and searched again after that.

[deputydi]

He's an interesting, but poor writer; apparently without spell-check and/or an editor. And also apparently David Lohr's nephew. He seems to have flip flopped like a politician regarding his support of Cindy Anthony. Guess we'll have to wait until Monday to find out why.

As for Casey's allegations of George's and Lee's inappropriate behavior or sexual abuse, it's difficult at this point to believe her. Of course, if true, it could go a long way to explain why she is the way that she is. Especially if Cindy chose not to believe her, which is NOT unusual. If George is Caylee's father, that would be known to LE after he provided DNA. And Lee's paternity could be extrapolated from the DNA from the other three Anthonys, couldn't it? And if either of them are Caylee's father, it gives even more credence to Cindy's motive to obstruct the search warrant for Caylee's DNA, and gives pause as to whom may have helped her hide Caylee's corpse, if that is a theory.

This case has to be the biggest cluster**** in the annals of crime.

Thanks for all those links, O2S. I'm wearing out my magnifying glass!
Without a DNA sample from Caylee, how would they determine who her father is?

[lorettalockhorn]

Without a DNA sample from Caylee, how would they determine who her father is?

I don't imagine they could without a sample. But surely they do have a sample. Isn't that what the murder charge is predicated on? That the hair found in the trunk is Caylee's? I would imagine that Caylee's DNA was in the Anthony home; albeit getting it may have been like pulling hen's teeth.

[deputydi]

I don't imagine they could without a sample. But surely they do have a sample. Isn't that what the murder charge is predicated on? That the hair found in the trunk is Caylee's? I would imagine that Caylee's DNA was in the Anthony home; albeit getting it may have been like pulling hen's teeth.
It is my understanding that a complete DNA test for paternity requires the hair follicle to be present. I'm not sure hair from a brush would qualify. It may, I'm just not sure.

[deputydi]

I admit it never occurred to me that Casey Anthony is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance, but does anyone else give her a hair of a chance of innocence? If so, why.

I know it's a stupid question.
There are no stupid questions.

It has never -- not for a single nano-second -- occurred to me that Casey might be innocent. Other cases I have remained on the fence for long periods of time but not this one.

[lorettalockhorn]

It is my understanding that a complete DNA test for paternity requires the hair follicle to be present. I'm not sure hair from a brush would qualify. It may, I'm just not sure.

The State seems to be willing to bet the farm that the hair in the trunk was Caylee's; they must have a DNA match from somewhere that they're using for comparison, or they're extrapolating using the samples from the other Anthonys.

[Twinners]

I admit it never occurred to me that Casey Anthony is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance, but does anyone else give her a hair of a chance of innocence? If so, why.

I know it's a stupid question.
I don't think it is a stupid question at all. I'd guess there are probably people out there who think Casey is innocent. I'm not one of them. I thought she was guilty when the story first broke and I haven't seen anything since then to change my mind.

[lorettalockhorn]

I suddenly just wondered why Cindy would hold back anything with Caylee's DNA on it. I'm not sure I want to give Cindy too much credit for having a high intelligence, but it makes one wonder. Hmmm... What reason would she have to hold back anything that would solve this case? Doesn't she want it solved?

(Except for the fact that she could not accept that Caylee is dead.) I know personally how hard it is to accept the loss of a child, and could she be prolonging the agony by trying to hold back the hell of grief? IMO, what she is going through now can be much worse. It's looking like an impending tsunami and she may not survive it. No one could have written this story. It makes Steven King's work look like children's literature.

I think she knows that Caylee is dead and wants to obfuscate the reasons that Casey is the POS that she is.

I admit it never occurred to me that Casey Anthony is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance, but does anyone else give her a hair of a chance of innocence? If so, why.

I know it's a stupid question.

Not stupid at all! There are people who truly believe in Casey's innocence according to some posts that I've read online. Like lots of people, I've thought she was guilty from the get, because she never reported her missing. Casey strikes me as socially retarded (despite her party persona), and I've always wondered if some guy didn't help her with getting rid of Caylee's body. But I've always been suspicious of the fact that Cindy reported Caylee missing secondary to the theft of the car, her insistance that the pizza caused the odor in the car, her willingness to throw Jesse G. under the bus, and now her games with the FBI.

[Twinners]

It is my understanding that a complete DNA test for paternity requires the hair follicle to be present. I'm not sure hair from a brush would qualify. It may, I'm just not sure.
I read that LE took a brush, a comb and four toothbrushes that belonged to Caylee from the Anthony's in the investigative report. Do you think they'd be able to do a complete DNA test using the toothbrushes?

[Twinners]

Thanks so much! So this guy searched the area on 9/10 and found nothing, but on 9/12 he searched again and TES thought the hole looked like a "recently dug grave".

What does he mean by "This hole was the same hole dug by other witnesses on the scene"?

Could be interesting despite the fact that TES came back and searched again after that.
There were a total of five statements regarding the whole that I saw in the report. I suppose they could've been the "other witnesses on the scene".

I don't know why, but I thought of this as soon as I read the first statement.

June 23rd - Casey runs out of gas and calls Tony. They get the gas cans from the Anthony's. Casey called him in the afternoon and said she ran out of gas in a subdivision she cuts through to drive home. She told him to drive as if he were going to her parents house. He did and found her on Chickasaw Trail. They went through the Anthony house and into the backyard. The shed was locked, so he used a tire iron to pry it open. He didn't think it was wrong because Casey lived there and needed the gas for her car. They returned to the car. Tony handed the cans to Casey. She put the gas in the car. He didn't notice any odor while standing outside the car at that time.

I know I'm probably way off, but I'm thinking the two things may somehow be related.

[mu8shark]

Totally agree with you. MOO but looks like Cindy has the crusader syndrome. I cant save Caylee but maybe Casey. If she does not look at either -Caylee's death and/or comitted by her daughter-or looks at Casey for who she really is then she never has to look within her self. Anyone privy to what the lost name search is all about. I believe one of the last listed with the PC searches.I'm dumb on this one , what is a lost name search?

[Justice Denied?]

Let me just add there are 2 Padillas in this case. One works for the Sheriff's office. I think his first name is Carlos. The other is Leonard, the Bounty Hunter who did the search of the river. This had me really confused for a couple of days.

[mu8shark]

I read that LE took a brush, a comb and four toothbrushes that belonged to Caylee from the Anthony's in the investigative report. Do you think they'd be able to do a complete DNA test using the toothbrushes? But the toothbrush would be very similiar to a mouth swab and I would think they would get a full dna on that one. I bet that they got a full dna on that toothbrush but the hair maybe only gave them a mitronchrondial reading or they are holding something back. But I still think the the mitro is quite significant.

[mu8shark]

The State seems to be willing to bet the farm that the hair in the trunk was Caylee's; they must have a DNA match from somewhere that they're using for comparison, or they're extrapolating using the samples from the other Anthonys. Well even if it is just a mitrochrondial dna match and not a full match, it is still pretty narrow when you realize it is a marker of the maternal line .It would almost have to be another Anthony relative, like a cousin or aunt or something and are any of them missing? I think it is going to be really devastating with the other evidence.

[mu8shark]

There are no stupid questions.

It has never -- not for a single nano-second -- occurred to me that Casey might be innocent. Other cases I have remained on the fence for long periods of time but not this one. On another board there are two people convinced of her innocence, but they do not seem logical to me, only emotional. They can't dispute the evidence with logic in my opinion, one says that her partying, her spending spree , her not calling is all a typical sign of depression that she got when someone kidnapped her child and another says that LE is lying about nearly all the evidence because they are allowed to lie, whatever that means.. Also one kind of disturbs me because he sees nothing unusual in looking up how to break a neck, he has done it himself. LOL.

[Twinners]

I suddenly just wondered why Cindy would hold back anything with Caylee's DNA on it. I'm not sure I want to give Cindy too much credit for having a high intelligence, but it makes one wonder. Hmmm... What reason would she have to hold back anything that would solve this case? Doesn't she want it solved?

(Except for the fact that she could not accept that Caylee is dead.) I know personally how hard it is to accept the loss of a child, and could she be prolonging the agony by trying to hold back the hell of grief? IMO, what she is going through now can be much worse. It's looking like an impending tsunami and she may not survive it. No one could have written this story. It makes Steven King's work look like children's literature.
I don't think Cindy gives two figs about the case. She just wants Caylee. If solving the case means she'll have solid proof of Caylee's death, then I think she'd much rather it remain unsolved.

LE already lists Caylee as deceased in the report with George and Cindy being her next of kin. I think Casey will finally be on her own once Cindy finally accepts what that means.

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Casey would accuse the Easter Bunny of molesting her if she thought it would help her case. I don't believe one word of it. In the mean time, women who were molested for the most part are compassionate and empathetic people. They don't generally kill their children. I don't think being an incest survivor explains why Casey is what she is. (If she were molested at all) I think she is a spoiled little liar with some bad habits and has no respect for anyone. When she didn't get her way, and when little Caylee *GOT* in her way, she pushed the envelope and got what she wanted, which was freedom to party with her friends. I wouldn't believe her of she told me my house was on fire, until I saw the smoke. And when I ran out of the house, I'd make sure my wallet was with me.

JMO

Oh, who knows? This case gets screwier every day. I have worked with several victims of sexual abuse, especially incest, who were very angry and bitter. The gentlenesscomes with counselling and healing.

Crazy idea: What if Caset thought that by killing Caylee she could keep Cindy from having her and if she could frame George for it, sshe would get even with him? Just a theory, don't trip out over it.:D

[mu8shark]

Hey Danagher, I am not alone! Exactly, and their are many cases recently that could have made her think she too could cash in. The difference being none of the others were trying to cash in they were actually trying to FIND their children. Yes I totally agree,On the Holloways , they desperately needed the money as you would not believe how high their expenses were staying in Aruba all that time. I have read Beth's book and am not of the opinion she tried to make money at all except for the search for her daughter. Interestingly enough the Arubian authorities shamefully accused them of actually staging Natalee's kidnapping to make money. Shame on Aruba. I would not send my dog there on vacation. .

[sharlock]

Don't remember such a thing Twinners. What page is it on? Please don't make me read 51 pages, I beg you!

And why doesn't WESH redact their documents? Sheesh All kinds of personal information there.

I remember reading a post that had a an article in it that was only in the Enquirer saying that a grave had been found and it appeared to have been used and then that Caylee had been movedon from it. It noted that other stuff was found around the site including beads. I will find it but I don't know how to post it because it is picture form however I can prob. summarise it for you.

[mu8shark]

Oh, who knows? This case gets screwier every day. I have worked with several victims of sexual abuse, especially incest, who were very angry and bitter. The gentlenesscomes with counselling and healing.

Crazy idea: What if Caset thought that by killing Caylee she could keep Cindy from having her and if she could frame George for it, sshe would get even with him? Just a theory, don't trip out over it.:D I was offline for a while . Can I be obnoxious and ask where this incest and abuse theory came from all of a sudden? Is it a posters idea or was there something in the news or newspapers? Sorry for being out of the loop. Just need a heads up.

[mu8shark]

I remember reading a post that had a an article in it that was only in the Enquirer saying that a grave had been found and it appeared to have been used and then that Caylee had been movedon from it. It noted that other stuff was found around the site including beads. I will find it but I don't know how to post it because it is picture form however I can prob. summarise it for you. I have more questions. If a grave was found or someone thought they found a grave and it was moved in September, how could that be? Casey was in jail the whole time or at home with an ankle bracelet. I am not sure I buy that. And where did they find it and who found it?

[Justice Denied?]

I am gearing up for all the money charges,lying to LE etc. etc. to come up in court. I sure hope it is televised. I will be breaking out the popcorn just to see why she pled NG with all the proof in the world against her. There is no plausible defense here. Why not plead guilty and see if you can bargain for some lesser charges. She's going down on all that anyway's????? Oh well as it stands she will be singing "If i only had a brain"

Frankly, I think Casey is getting some very bad advise from Jose Baez. He is trying to build a reputation at her expense. He doesn't want her talking to anyone, so her family doesn't visit. He plans to refute only the forensics evidence. This case should be plea bargained not taken to trial. IMO

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm dumb on this one , what is a lost name search?

I think the last document dump mentioned a lost numbers search. There was some discussion on DL's blog about that maybe being a reference to the ABC program "Lost":

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/new-documents-a.html

There is also an explanation for Breakin' Necks.

[Twinners]

I have more questions. If a grave was found or someone thought they found a grave and it was moved in September, how could that be? Casey was in jail the whole time or at home with an ankle bracelet. I am not sure I buy that. And where did they find it and who found it?
I don't recall hearing the story about the grave being moved, but perhaps it was a temporary grave Casey used during the month Caylee was missing.

[mu8shark]

Donna, as you explain your take on Cindy Anthony, my sympathy ends where yours ended. I can understand her reasons but not at the expense of innocent people. One thought occurred to me, Georges' hair is gray.

Wouldn't that matter in the analyses? I am not sure what you mean but I think I can answer it. It does not matter what color the persons hair is as far as getting a sample, dna or otherwise. It has no bearing.

[lorettalockhorn]

But the toothbrush would be very similiar to a mouth swab and I would think they would get a full dna on that one. I bet that they got a full dna on that toothbrush but the hair maybe only gave them a mitronchrondial reading or they are holding something back. But I still think the the mitro is quite significant.

I think the DNA on the toothbrush is extremely relevant.

Well even if it is just a mitrochrondial dna match and not a full match, it is still pretty narrow when you realize it is a marker of the maternal line .It would almost have to be another Anthony relative, like a cousin or aunt or something and are any of them missing? I think it is going to be really devastating with the other evidence.

Couple the mitochondrial DNA when indicates the maternal bloodline with the supposition that the decomposition comes from a child less than the age of three, and it seems likely that the jury will assume Caylee was dead in the trunk. IF they buy the information regarding the absence of flouride compounds in the decomposition.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was offline for a while . Can I be obnoxious and ask where this incest and abuse theory came from all of a sudden? Is it a posters idea or was there something in the news or newspapers? Sorry for being out of the loop. Just need a heads up.

I first saw that pop up on the Discovery blog, and haven't slogged through the reading. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

I think the last document dump mentioned a lost numbers search. There was some discussion on DL's blog about that maybe being a reference to the ABC program "Lost":

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/new-documents-a.html

There is also an explanation for Breakin' Necks. Lost numbers as in rating for the show Lost. How does that connect to Casey's case? I am still lost as to what lost numbers means. Lohr's site gives zero explanation for what this means.

[lighthousedazy]

I was offline for a while . Can I be obnoxious and ask where this incest and abuse theory came from all of a sudden? Is it a posters idea or was there something in the news or newspapers? Sorry for being out of the loop. Just need a heads up.I think in some of the documents, Casey "lied"? that George and Lee sexually abused her. On the question of Caylee's paternity that some wondered about George and Lee, just in my opinion, Caylee does not resemble her mother at all, and Casey resembles her dad very much and also resembles Lee very much. IMO, there is another gene pool there with Caylee. My guess is that if G or L were the father, Caylee would look almost identical to Casey. jmo

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't recall hearing the story about the grave being moved, but perhaps it was a temporary grave Casey used during the month Caylee was missing.

I'm still in a turkey coma, and may be missing something. But the man reported that he searched the area on 9/10 and found nothing. Then, on 9/12, he found the supposed grave site. I'm not getting how this could be connected to Casey since she was either in jail or confined, or how it relates to the 31 days Caylee was missing in June/July. Unless it refers to the fact that someone other than Casey could have placed Caylee there.

Or maybe the implication is that he didn't notice anything 9/10 and by 9/12 someone had removed Caylee from the grave.

I remember reading a post that had a an article in it that was only in the Enquirer saying that a grave had been found and it appeared to have been used and then that Caylee had been movedon from it. It noted that other stuff was found around the site including beads. I will find it but I don't know how to post it because it is picture form however I can prob. summarise it for you.

Thanks sharlock!

[mu8shark]

Frankly, I think Casey is getting some very bad advise from Jose Baez. He is trying to build a reputation at her expense. He doesn't want her talking to anyone, so her family doesn't visit. He plans to refute only the forensics evidence. This case should be plea bargained not taken to trial. IMO Touche and Bravo. I could not agree more. She is so going to regret not pleaing on both cases. First of all, I think in the check and theft case she is going to say Amy gave her permission to borrow money. Why won't a jury buy that? Well number one which girl would you believe??? Also, does it make sense that if you loan a friend money you say Yeah sure and make sure you clean out my entire account! I am sure Amy had bills to pay.Secondly, they are going to get her for premeditation I think. She would be so much better off telling them where the body is and saying she accidentally chloroformed her (not the truth in my opinion)> As soon as Jose Baez countersued Zenaida, I knew he was a dummy. He also lost a motion in court because he neglected to file something properly and did not notify the right parties.

[lorettalockhorn]

Lost numbers as in rating for the show Lost. How does that connect to Casey's case? I am still lost as to what lost numbers means. Lohr's site gives zero explanation for what this means.

Lohr doesn't discuss the Lost numbers, the responses in the blog offer them as an explanation as to what she might have been searching for. The numbers (apparently) are a clue as to how or why the people are stranded or how they will get off the island. I don't watch, so I can't agree or argue either way.

[mu8shark]

I'm still in a turkey coma, and may be missing something. But the man reported that he searched the area on 9/10 and found nothing. Then, on 9/12, he found the supposed grave site. I'm not getting how this could be connected to Casey since she was either in jail or confined, or how it relates to the 31 days Caylee was missing in June/July. Unless it refers to the fact that someone other than Casey could have placed Caylee there.

Or maybe the implication is that he didn't notice anything 9/10 and by 9/12 someone had removed Caylee from the grave.



Thanks sharlock! Exactly Loretta you spelled it out much better than I did. It does not make sense Casey could have moved anything and why didn't he see anything? I say bum lead!

[Justice Denied?]

I don't imagine they could without a sample. But surely they do have a sample. Isn't that what the murder charge is predicated on? That the hair found in the trunk is Caylee's? I would imagine that Caylee's DNA was in the Anthony home; albeit getting it may have been like pulling hen's teeth.
Two of the things they took from the An thony home were Kaylee's oral thermometer and that hairbrush. I would think that therm. would be almost as good as a swab.

I would like to mention that I spell a lot better than I type.

[mu8shark]

I think in some of the documents, Casey "lied"? that George and Lee sexually abused her. On the question of Caylee's paternity that some wondered about George and Lee, just in my opinion, Caylee does not resemble her mother at all, and Casey resembles her dad very much and also resembles Lee very much. IMO, there is another gene pool there with Caylee. My guess is that if G or L were the father, Caylee would look almost identical to Casey. jmo Well I think Caylee's face looks exactly like Grandma , not Grandpa. Also on this incest thing, I am not discounting it, but you have heard of the Cry Wolf Story, well Casey has lied so much, I am not sure I would believe her if she was telling the truth, and pardon my french but I think she slutted around and anyone could be Caylee's father.

[lorettalockhorn]

Exactly Loretta you spelled it out much better than I did. It does not make sense Casey could have moved anything and why didn't he see anything? I say bum lead!

LOL I'm like thousands of others who just can't imagine Casey schlepping around in the wilderness. But I suppose it's possible that someone might have considered the area "cleared" on the tenth, breathed a huge sigh of relief, and for some reason went back and dug up Caylee's remains by the 12th??

[mu8shark]

Okay all you great thinkers. Help me out on this . Nancy said something on her special last night I had not heard and I am still trying to figure it out. She said that Casey's phone pinged in or near Blanchard Park on the 17th and she also said she lost her phone there. What is this about? If she killed Caylee on the 16th, it does not make sense she buried her or hide her there that soon, because the smell in the car would not be that bad after being in the trunk for just one day or night, right, according to Perper. So what is this about? Do you think she hid Caylee's clothes there, thus, the statement, they have not even found her clothes. I can't figure this out. The phone being lost is I think a lie so if LE found anything about Blanchard and tried to tie her to the pings, she could say, Oh I did not even have that found, I lost it there. What could she have been doing at Blanchard a day after she killed Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

Two of the things they took from the An thony home were Kaylee's oral thermometer and that hairbrush. I would think that therm. would be almost as good as a swab.

I would like to mention that I spell a lot better than I type.

Didn't know about the oral thermometer; thanks!

hehehe I make better sense in my mind than I do on the screen.

[Justice Denied?]

I admit it never occurred to me that Casey Anthony is not responsible for Caylee's disappearance, but does anyone else give her a hair of a chance of innocence? If so, why.

I know it's a stupid question.
I personally tried to give Casey the benefit of the doubt until they said that the hair in the trunk was Kaylee's and it had a death band on it. My thinking was somewhat like LP's. I figured she hid the child from Cindy and things went too far. She would not stay in jail if she could produce a live Caylee.

[mu8shark]

LOL I'm like thousands of others who just can't imagine Casey schlepping around in the wilderness. But I suppose it's possible that someone might have considered the area "cleared" on the tenth, breathed a huge sigh of relief, and for some reason went back and dug up Caylee's remains by the 12th?? Remember when Cindy said Casey borrowed the shovel to do some kind of yardwork in the backyard, moving something or other. That was a hoot. She does not even seem like the manual labor type at all. She only cooked and cleaned in an effort to become Mrs. Lazzaro LOL. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay all you great thinkers. Help me out on this . Nancy said something on her special last night I had not heard and I am still trying to figure it out. She said that Casey's phone pinged in or near Blanchard Park on the 17th and she also said she lost her phone there. What is this about? If she killed Caylee on the 16th, it does not make sense she buried her or hide her there that soon, because the smell in the car would not be that bad after being in the trunk for just one day or night, right, according to Perper. So what is this about? Do you think she hid Caylee's clothes there, thus, the statement, they have not even found her clothes. I can't figure this out. The phone being lost is I think a lie so if LE found anything about Blanchard and tried to tie her to the pings, she could say, Oh I did not even have that found, I lost it there. What could she have been doing at Blanchard a day after she killed Caylee.

I read a theory (again at Discovery), that the lost numbers search could have been about how to concoct a reasonable lie about the fact that Zenaida's number was not going to appear in Casey's phone or on her bill. I would have thought that she would have said that she was at Blanchard searching for clues after Caylee was snatched from there. The statement about the clothes is bizarre. Surely she didn't mean that Caylee would be fully decomposed but her clothes would still be intact.

[Twinners]

Lost numbers as in rating for the show Lost. How does that connect to Casey's case? I am still lost as to what lost numbers means. Lohr's site gives zero explanation for what this means.
I don't think they mean numbers, as in ratings, but rather, a single set of numbers that have shown up repeatedly in different places throughout the last four seasons of the show.

Here's a good source of info about them: http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_numbers.

[mu8shark]

Yikes. had to mention this. Did you hear that email from Cindy's brother, where he starts the letter saying count me out and where is the frigging babysitter? I wonder if that was the same brother who posted on another site for a while. You can tell the extended family is so over Casey. Early on , I thought it weird no other support from other family members. Although if they were all like Cindy, I am not sure I could take it . :rolleyes:

[lighthousedazy]

Okay all you great thinkers. Help me out on this . Nancy said something on her special last night I had not heard and I am still trying to figure it out. She said that Casey's phone pinged in or near Blanchard Park on the 17th and she also said she lost her phone there. What is this about? If she killed Caylee on the 16th, it does not make sense she buried her or hide her there that soon, because the smell in the car would not be that bad after being in the trunk for just one day or night, right, according to Perper. So what is this about? Do you think she hid Caylee's clothes there, thus, the statement, they have not even found her clothes. I can't figure this out. The phone being lost is I think a lie so if LE found anything about Blanchard and tried to tie her to the pings, she could say, Oh I did not even have that found, I lost it there. What could she have been doing at Blanchard a day after she killed Caylee.
You have a great mind, Mu8. I can't figure this out either. I think she buried Caylee in her parents backyard at first and then moved her. Doc Perper said for the smell to still be there today, the body would have to be in the trunk for at least a week. I think she just discarded the phone because she had such a high bill, and maybe she knew about the tower pings. I do believe that Caylee's remains are in or very near Blanchard Park. jmo :(

[mu8shark]

I read a theory (again at Discovery), that the lost numbers search could have been about how to concoct a reasonable lie about the fact that Zenaida's number was not going to appear in Casey's phone or on her bill. I would have thought that she would have said that she was at Blanchard searching for clues after Caylee was snatched from there. The statement about the clothes is bizarre. Surely she didn't mean that Caylee would be fully decomposed but her clothes would still be intact. Oh now the whole lost numbers makes perfect sense. How to explain that the there was no phone number? I see, so maybe she was looking up a way numbers do not appear on bills, an alternate theory. I get it now. On the clothes , maybe as weird as it sounds, she undressed Caylee and threw the clothes somewhere else. I can't figure what the hell she was doing at Blanchard Park on the 17th, although (light comes on) since this was one of Caylee's favorite places and she was thinking about telling the Zenaida knocked me down story, she may have been driving around and looking for a good place to put Caylee, but too many cars or people there or just could not find a good spot.

[Justice Denied?]

Didn't know about the oral thermometer; thanks!

hehehe I make better sense in my mind than I do on the screen.

Yes Loretta, we believe you. And Santa is coming next month. Bet you mind is like mine, as cluttered as the attic of a 100 year old house.:biggrin::D

[mu8shark]

You have a great mind, Mu8. I can't figure this out either. I think she buried Caylee in her parents backyard at first and then moved her. Doc Perper said for the smell to still be there today, the body would have to be in the trunk for at least a week. I think she just discarded the phone because she had such a high bill, and maybe she knew about the tower pings. I do believe that Caylee's remains are in or very near Blanchard Park. jmo :( Thanks for the compliment . Sometimes I feel like I am losing that mind when I misplace things . LOL. I think I have it figured out, she was driving around looking for a place and tons of people at the Park, no way to hide her there, gotta keep her in the car for longer. :shrug:

[lighthousedazy]

Thanks for the compliment . Sometimes I feel like I am losing that mind when I misplace things . LOL. I think I have it figured out, she was driving around looking for a place and tons of people at the Park, no way to hide her there, gotta keep her in the car for longer. :shrug:You may be right. I don't think she knew what to do and just kept the body in the trunk for several days. So sad. :(

[lighthousedazy]

I just wanted to add, Tony said that he wanted sons because daughters were much harder to raise. Google Teresa Fargeson and Susan Smith. They had new boyfriends that didn't want kids and they killed their kids. :( That idea probably stuck in Casy's brain. New life, new boyfriend. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

Tony also told her she could stay at his apartment overnight but not Caylee. I don't think he felt comfortable with that and I am sure that kind of influenced her choosing of the time to do it. However, I must say that her getting rid of Caylee predates Tony. She did a lot of those comp searches in March and met him in May. She strikes me as a girl who uses men to pay for stuff. I have a friend who married a guy because he bought her lots of stuff and paid most of her bills. He is tired of her now and they are over. Her car needs fixing , so now she went out and got a boyfriend hoping he will pay to get her car fixed. If Casey did not want to get a job and could not keep up and was looking for dough, I am sure she was looking to hook up with a man as soon as possible, and what a wrench a three year old threw into that plan.

[lighthousedazy]

Tony also told her she could stay at his apartment overnight but not Caylee. I don't think he felt comfortable with that and I am sure that kind of influenced her choosing of the time to do it. However, I must say that her getting rid of Caylee predates Tony. She did a lot of those comp searches in March and met him in May. She strikes me as a girl who uses men to pay for stuff. I have a friend who married a guy because he bought her lots of stuff and paid most of her bills. He is tired of her now and they are over. Her car needs fixing , so now she went out and got a boyfriend hoping he will pay to get her car fixed. If Casey did not want to get a job and could not keep up and was looking for dough, I am sure she was looking to hook up with a man as soon as possible, and what a wrench a three year old threw into that plan.So sad and you are 100% correct. :o

[sharlock]

I was offline for a while . Can I be obnoxious and ask where this incest and abuse theory came from all of a sudden? Is it a posters idea or was there something in the news or newspapers? Sorry for being out of the loop. Just need a heads up.
In the docs released extra interview are shown with Jesse Grund and Anthony Lazzaro. Casey spoke of being molested by George and that Lee tried to get her to have sex with him when she was in middle school. She lies so much but this angle has been brought up relentlessly in this case so I will wait to see the dna results. I beleive that Caylee's dna is also onn record because of the dna tests Jesse ordered.

[mu8shark]

In the docs released extra interview are shown with Jesse Grund and Anthony Lazzaro. Casey spoke of being molested by George and that Lee tried to get her to have sex with him when she was in middle school. She lies so much but this angle has been brought up relentlessly in this case so I will wait to see the dna results. I beleive that Caylee's dna is also onn record because of the dna tests Jesse ordered. Thanks tons Sharlock. I had listened to both of Casey's interviews and seen transcripts and saw nothing about that, but now it makes sense, she told two boyfriends this, aha. I will wait to see the dna as well but I also wonder if she told men this to get them to feel sorry for her. I mean it could be true, it could but with her history of lying it is so hard to believe her. I put nothing past her. If Lee found out about this, I wonder if it is one reason he is staying away. Especially if it is false, he must be really mad. And if it is true, he doesn't want media to question him about it.

[sharlock]

Exactly Loretta you spelled it out much better than I did. It does not make sense Casey could have moved anything and why didn't he see anything? I say bum lead!
Guys you need to go back and reread that section. There is 2 lots of tips. the first guy says that he went out there as part of the search and did not note any disturbance in the area but when he came back he could see that the ground had been disturbed. The police must have told him about the family who after going down the same track noticed a stick in the ground with a cord going into the ground. They tried to dig it up but they couldn't reach the bottom of the cord and it felt like it was tied to something. They say they planned to come back the next day to dig it up properly. This explains why the first guy reported to the police he hadn't previously noted digging in the area and then a week later does note it. The family came in between the dates he did. Neither report goes on to say what was located at the end of that cord or what else may have been found in the area.

[sharlock]

Yikes. had to mention this. Did you hear that email from Cindy's brother, where he starts the letter saying count me out and where is the frigging babysitter? I wonder if that was the same brother who posted on another site for a while. You can tell the extended family is so over Casey. Early on , I thought it weird no other support from other family members. Although if they were all like Cindy, I am not sure I could take it . :rolleyes:
Guys I hope you go back and read the emails he sent prior to that one. They were really quite touching, very respectful and he tried let her know she had support. She attacked him.

[mu8shark]

Guys you need to go back and reread that section. There is 2 lots of tips. the first guy says that he went out there as part of the search and did not note any disturbance in the area but when he came back he could see that the ground had been disturbed. The police must have told him about the family who after going down the same track noticed a stick in the ground with a cord going into the ground. They tried to dig it up but they couldn't reach the bottom of the cord and it felt like it was tied to something. They say they planned to come back the next day to dig it up properly. This explains why the first guy reported to the police he hadn't previously noted digging in the area and then a week later does note it. The family came in between the dates he did. Neither report goes on to say what was located at the end of that cord or what else may have been found in the area. But the dates make no sense, Casey could not have buried or unburied anything in jail or with an ankle monitor. The stick also sounds like it could be a surveying marker, maybe? I don't know but I think that if LE thought it was worthwhile they would have pursued it. I mean not everything weird they find on these searches is going to be relevant, but who knows.? Where was this?

[sharlock]

BTW I forgot to say that family indicated that they did go back the next day and dig it up, so why isn't there any mention of what was there? I find it unusual that the Enquirer breaks this story about a grave site being located and that the police have found Caylee was first buried there and moved later, but then no other network acknowledges this and the Enquirer never mentions it again. With the media frenzy surrounding this case you would think they would report it first and ask questions later but no... it goes nowhere. I wonder if LE put the kibosh on it telling the media to shut up.

[mu8shark]

Can I just say something on an emotional level ? I mean I think sometimes I get really caught up in the forensics and the LE documents and trial tactics and I forget the emotional part of it. And when I hear Casey's interviews and phone calls , I hear no emotion, nothing, maybe anger at her Mom on the phone. In those interviews, wouldn't must of us be crying? I mean think about it , I would be weeping, my little girl is gone, gone, out of my sight, maybe hurt, maybe dead, gone for 31 whole days. I would be devastated. I only have dogs , but even if one of them went missing, I would be sooo upset. A child, forget it, I would be inconsolable. She never even has a crack in her voice. It is eerie, weird.

[mu8shark]

Guys I hope you go back and read the emails he sent prior to that one. They were really quite touching, very respectful and he tried let her know she had support. She attacked him. Why does this not surprise me with Cindy? Let me guess she goes ballastic because he dares to have questions, most of them legitimate. I heard the way she was with LE . She appears to me to be very intolerant of others feelings , and other peoples fears and doubts, very controling woman.

[mu8shark]

Well I am off, I have to work Sat and Sunday and when I am off on Monday and Tuesday I am going to look at the new documents. Thanks to everyone for all the great tips about what to look at.

[sharlock]

But the dates make no sense, Casey could not have buried or unburied anything in jail or with an ankle monitor. The stick also sounds like it could be a surveying marker, maybe? I don't know but I think that if LE thought it was worthwhile they would have pursued it. I mean not everything weird they find on these searches is going to be relevant, but who knows.? Where was this?
I am going off memory here so please anyone correct me if I am wrong, but they said that it was in the woods not far from the Anthony's the people had just driven past Hopespring Dr, they saw a gated road going into woods and the gate was open so they went to take a look. I don't think they are suggesting that Casey moved the body after the police had been brought in. I felt in the article they were suggesting that it had been one of the first places Caylee had been put and then moved from, but that the cord and stick and been left there and the ground still looked caved in as if it something had perhaps been buried there. That is why they took a look.
Now these reports indicate that someone did report disturbances like that around the area. Of course there are big differences between the police reports and the article. Egs. no mention in the reports of anything being found so it might be nothing at all. I am just gettin more concerned at this point with what is NOT being released. Annie is the one mentioned giving Casey the Xanax but her interview has NOT been released. There are a few other things I am noticing but I want to look into it a bit more before pointing them out.

[sharlock]

Oh now the whole lost numbers makes perfect sense. How to explain that the there was no phone number? I see, so maybe she was looking up a way numbers do not appear on bills, an alternate theory. I get it now. On the clothes , maybe as weird as it sounds, she undressed Caylee and threw the clothes somewhere else. I can't figure what the hell she was doing at Blanchard Park on the 17th, although (light comes on) since this was one of Caylee's favorite places and she was thinking about telling the Zenaida knocked me down story, she may have been driving around and looking for a good place to put Caylee, but too many cars or people there or just could not find a good spot.
Ok one of the other things I noticed in the computer dump was that they ran a program to check what if any passwords were being used on the pc and they came up with only one Rico23 but Cindy said in her talk with the FBI that they saw a new password on the pc before it was searched called Timer55 and Casey told her a story about how that was how many days she was being taught a lesson for. My point is that this wasn't a password so what was it? Afgter searching I found some info on a timer that you can use on the computer to forward mail to yourself. I have actually used a version of this to remind myself about assignment due dates and such. Was Casey planning on sending herself a message from the elusive Zanny? Makes sense to me after she had spent the night being questioned and had told the cops that they WOULD find stuff from Zanny on her PC. JMHO!

[sharlock]

Well I am off, I have to work Sat and Sunday and when I am off on Monday and Tuesday I am going to look at the new documents. Thanks to everyone for all the great tips about what to look at.

Have fun at work!:seeya:

[deacon]

I think the DNA on the toothbrush is extremely relevant.



Couple the mitochondrial DNA when indicates the maternal bloodline with the supposition that the decomposition comes from a child less than the age of three, and it seems likely that the jury will assume Caylee was dead in the trunk. IF they buy the information regarding the absence of flouride compounds in the decomposition.

What I heard for one of the guests on NG was that since this type of DNA analysis followed maternal lines, there would only be four people whose mitrochondrial DNA would match. cindy, lee, casey and Caylee. We know that all of those but Caylee can be accounted for. They are alive. The hair had the "death band" on it so it would have to come from the one person they can not account for, Caylee:rose:.

[deacon]

By process of elimination, they got all they need except how Casey lost Caylee, right? I think if they tortured Casey till the end of time, she would never tell the truth about that part. I expect Casey to adjust to prison and make herself a new world where she will function at her own level, as always. She's an expert at lying and will most likely survive by taking on a role in prison that she's comfortable with. Her comfort zone might include developing a surrogate family via mail and she will prey on the weak and maybe even get herself some financial security she can use to buy herself some cigarettes and drugs. She's brilliant when you think about it. I can see by what she's shown so far that she has no moral or emotional conscience, just major survival skills. Those kinds of people live and die by their own cunning lack of give a damn for anyone outside of themselves. She's not fully human and extremely dangerous.

I'd be interested in knowing if her history (childhood) gave any indication that my analyses is dead wrong.


Just my opinion.


She may not do too good if the put her in general pop. They really don't like women who kill their own kids in prison. susan smith is still being protected and she has been in for years. Most criminals can not stand someone who hurts kids.

[Donna]

I wanna know if Casey Anthony was made or born. Bad nurturing or was she just born a bad seed. Or, most likely, both.

Donna

[sharlock]

By process of elimination, they got all they need except how Casey lost Caylee, right? I think if they tortured Casey till the end of time, she would never tell the truth about that part. I expect Casey to adjust to prison and make herself a new world where she will function at her own level, as always. She's an expert at lying and will most likely survive by taking on a role in prison that she's comfortable with. Her comfort zone might include developing a surrogate family via mail and she will prey on the weak and maybe even get herself some financial security she can use to buy herself some cigarettes and drugs. She's brilliant when you think about it. I can see by what she's shown so far that she has no moral or emotional conscience, just major survival skills. Those kinds of people live and die by their own cunning lack of give a damn for anyone outside of themselves. She's not fully human and extremely dangerous.

I'd be interested in knowing if her history (childhood) gave any indication that my analyses is dead wrong.


Just my opinion.
I don't think they got quite all they needed through elimination. By denying them Casylees brush Cindy denied them the ability to test hair strands that they could be confident were Caylees and would have probably have been longer or at least in more quantity than the one in the trunk. I see this as a major downfall when people suspect that Casey drugged Caylee. That could have been proven and that would have been all they needed imo. I feel pretty sure they have Caylees DNA so I am not worried about paternity I think LE have probably had that one sorted for a while.

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks tons Sharlock. I had listened to both of Casey's interviews and seen transcripts and saw nothing about that, but now it makes sense, she told two boyfriends this, aha. I will wait to see the dna as well but I also wonder if she told men this to get them to feel sorry for her. I mean it could be true, it could but with her history of lying it is so hard to believe her. I put nothing past her. If Lee found out about this, I wonder if it is one reason he is staying away. Especially if it is false, he must be really mad. And if it is true, he doesn't want media to question him about it.

I guarantee you one thing: If I were George or Lee and these allegations of incest were NOT true, I would be thru with Casey forever. She could serve her LWOP without a visit, letter or phonecall from me.

[deacon]

You may be right Dea but I get the impression that those types are such incredible actors that they can even get the devil out of the details while locked up with criminals and people end up being magnetically attracted to them. If other criminals don't like baby killers, they are not as sick as she is.

MO

She can adapt until the cows come home, some of those women will still kick her rear end. She may even get to be someone's b___h. If you know what I mean. There are some mean ladies in those places and she ain't that big and tough.

[deacon]

Yes and that is the million dollar question! It's still up for grabs by every philosopher and psychiatrist and probably will be till the end of time. I'll go with, "Most likely both." Unless you want to buy into the story called, Raised by Wolves" where the adult can't sit at a table and eat like a civilized human because of his nurturing.

I'd love to know if Casey was born with a missing brain cell. Some researchers claim that Sociopaths and Psychopaths are devoid of a certain brain component from birth. If that's true, then she is going to get off on the insanity excuse. At this point I don't believe it's true because she had the where with all to get herself what she wanted and while spiting her mother by taking Caylee away from her, she messed up and left the child in the car too long. She's a complete screw up and a bratty little gimmi girl. People who are clinically insane don't generally put on their make up that perfectly. But who knows?


I look at through the old Native American story. A Grandfather was talking to his grandson and told him that two wolves lived inside of every person. One was a good wolf and helped that person do good to all around him. The other was an evil wolf and made the person do evil to the people around them. He told the grandson that these two wolves fought for control of the person everyday. The grandson asked, "Grandfather, which one wins?" The Grandfather said, "the one you feed." MOO

[deacon]

I think for the first time in my life i would greatly support the death penalty here. I was perusing thru some other boards and came upon the serial killer one. After reading some of the posts i had to get off. Especially the Richard Ramirez (sp?) thread. Scary people out there-think he's a god,so handsome and that he is innocent. One of his followers even married him. It would sicken me to death to think Casey would have her own little fan club for the rest of her time if she got life. I dont want that waste of skin to ever derive any pleasure from this world again. Caylee sure never got the chance. :rose:

No, but if you believe as I do, she will live in goodness and pleasure forever now. With the one who loves her more than anyone else. I really wish she could have lived a full life here on earth but that was not to be. However, I really wonder if she lived, would she have had a chance at a normal life or would her family situation ruined it for her. She was a beautiful little girl and I am not talking about her appearance.:rose:

[deacon]

Thats what i am hoping for Deacon-the needle or some big honking prisoner to get their hands on her. Hopefully it would be slow and painfull. Hey they got their hands on Dahmer and he was in protective. Ok Ok now i know i am going to hell in a handbasket. It's all good.:shrug: Today i think i prefer the latter.

Nope, no handbasket for you. It is natural to be angry when little ones and helpless ones are done like this. Hey, even if they are forgiven they still must face the consequences of their wrong doing.

Dahlmer is a perfect example. It is said he became a Christian and had changed his life. He was released from protective custody and that was when he got killed. Not that this was not the correct punishment for his wrong doing. The responsibility and consequences are never taken away from us. In casey's case, she has not accepted and admitted she has done wrong but even if she did, the punishment would still be there. I, for one, do not believe that reduced punishment should be given for a guilty plea. But that is a different story.

I don't hate casey, I just want her to face the consequences for what it appears she has done.

[deacon]

Thanks Dea for bringing me back to my spirituality. Your right-Caylee is in a better place. Her life may have been a pure hell with a Mom like Casey. She was a beautiful little girl. :rose:

And she has been loved by more people than she could have ever known. I know she will always have a special place in my heart and I didn't even know her.:rose:

[deacon]

What a beautiful story-thanks for sharing that.:rose:

A Native American friend of mine told it to me once when I needed to hear it.

[deputydi]

I think the DNA on the toothbrush is extremely relevant.<snip>
Yes, I think you're right. I had forgotten about the toothbrush. Caylee's DNA can easily be extracted from the toothbrush and compared with Lee, George, Jesse or anyone else who would agree to being tested. Good catch, Loretta.

[Woostock]

So is the current thinking that Casey, administering chloroform to Caylee on a semi regular basis, over did it and Caylee died as a result? I have come across many a " mother" whom I have had to report for various reasons and I thought I had heard or seen it all, but this is over the top...even the other inmates will consider her a target. She's done...

[wind149]

While I seriously doubt that incest was happening here, I can surely see CA trying to use that lie to her advantage in the courtroom but guys, not one soul except for her loser mother believes a word out of her mouth, and until there is solid proof, I am going with this is one of her sick tactics to gain sympathy and gain points with a jury. She is such a skank, she probably does not even really know who C's father is. First she named Jessie and that proved not to be true so I have a feeling she does not know. As for a toothbrush, great item to gain DNA, but handing over a brush you brushed the dog's teeth with, the lab techs could tell in a second that there is dog DNA and not C's DNA, I was talking over the holiday about this case with a friend who has believed all along that C&G knew from the beginning that C was dead and have been covering for CA, to her, that scumbag means more to them than C, she feels that they are willing to sacrifice their own grand daughter to save her sorry ass and just like I thought, those 3 a.m. calls from her to them, she is thinking that CA gave C a blast of chloroform and placed her in the trunk and went to Fusion to party the night away and when she came out she found C dead, panicked, called Mommy and Daddy and she came home, C's body at first probably went into the playhouse and then buried by one of them somewhere or made her gator bait. George was a cop, who better to know forensics and what LE would look for, and now with the pizza story is crap, the maggots were not feasting on anything but C! And we both love Cindy's spew about "Well something was decaying in there" Yeah, you dumb stupid idiot, it was your granddaughter and you KNOW IT!!!!:mad:

[Twinners]

In the various interviews, I noticed investigators asked many of Casey's friends about what drugs she may have been doing. The one drug I read them specifically ask about is Xanax. No one seemed to know of Casey taking it. I think LE probably had drug tests run on both Caylee and Casey's hair. IMO, Xanax was only detected in one of them.

[lorettalockhorn]

I look at through the old Native American story. A Grandfather was talking to his grandson and told him that two wolves lived inside of every person. One was a good wolf and helped that person do good to all around him. The other was an evil wolf and made the person do evil to the people around them. He told the grandson that these two wolves fought for control of the person everyday. The grandson asked, "Grandfather, which one wins?" The Grandfather said, "the one you feed." MOO

Beauty.

We all have (shades of) darkness.

[sharlock]

I hear ya. The hair might prove the child was drugged..

But last night while watching NG, they showed reruns of the earlier time when the parents were cooperating. George stated that he would give the police the shingles off his house if it would help them find Caylee. Also, they showed a clip of Cindy Anthony intimating that her daughter was a liar and she didn't care about her or anyone, she wanted the child back. What happened after the ANthony's got battered by the protesters and the police was causing them to stop cooperating. I felt kind of bad that I didn't realize they had done everything they could to help with the investigation. I think they simply crashed emotionally and got angry with the LE in harmony with their grief and terror over the child gone missing.

As far as paternity, if there is inbred issues here, I'd be surprised. I have raised 4 children, have a lot of them in my family and adore them, spend time with them and watch them develop. I know that not all of them can sing, "You are my sunshine," word for word at 2 years old. She was a very intelligent little girl. I've always believed that a child can have a lot of fathers, but only one mother. Unfortunately this one had a bad mother, or at least 2 mothers that were fighting over her like a rag doll. They were more into winning than loving and protecting this beautiful child.
I got physically ill from watching some of those protestors; it was disgusting, especialy the poor child who got his arm crushed in the car door!

[sharlock]

I look at through the old Native American story. A Grandfather was talking to his grandson and told him that two wolves lived inside of every person. One was a good wolf and helped that person do good to all around him. The other was an evil wolf and made the person do evil to the people around them. He told the grandson that these two wolves fought for control of the person everyday. The grandson asked, "Grandfather, which one wins?" The Grandfather said, "the one you feed." MOO
That is one powerful tale, I am going to tell my son that one!:)

[sharlock]

I am hoping her lies have finally caught up with her. I am hoping this opens the families eyes and Cindy will quit with the Mother of the year statements etc. Maybe now the tides will turn and those 3 family members will speak the truth as to who Casey really is. That is really all they can do in the end for Caylee. :rose:
Maybe that has already occures, I mean I know Baez didn't say noone could go and wish Casey a happy thanksgiving! IMO the Anthony's are still doing everything they can to bring home an alive Caylee even though they suspect she is dead. I believe Cindy whe she says that if there is even a % chance Caylee is out there they will keep searching and this might be even more important now if they feel as though Casey has betrayed them.

[sharlock]

In the various interviews, I noticed investigators asked many of Casey's friends about what drugs she may have been doing. The one drug I read them specifically ask about is Xanax. No one seemed to know of Casey taking it. I think LE probably had drug tests run on both Caylee and Casey's hair. IMO, Xanax was only detected in one of them.
I thought it was interesting that there is no interview with Annie that could be the one referred to in the Jesse and Casey IM chat; and that when talking to Annies ex, the person she lived with for ages was never asked directly about xanax. He aslo seems to switch from talking about when Casey would come over when he and Annie were dating to then saying that he and Anie both discussed it and Casey has never been inside his apartment? That is on WS in a thread called Dante speaks(the 2nd one where the whole prev thread was compressed.

[One2Snoop]

George Refuses To Give Up Hope That Caylee Is Alive
Thursday, November 27, 2008 –
updated: 9:32 am EST November 28, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Channel 9 learned Casey's father, George Anthony, spent part of his Thanksgiving driving by himself around downtown Orlando and Winter Park towing his "Where is Caylee billboard." Even after new evidence was released to support the theory Casey killed her daughter Caylee, George has continued searching for a live Caylee.

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony spent Thanksgiving alone in the Orange County Jail. Officials said the Anthony family did not visit Casey Thursday nor did she request any visitors or phone calls for the holiday.

Instead, she dined with other prisoners on turkey and dressing, mashed potatoes, mixed vegetables, bread and butter. For dessert, Casey had a slice of pumpkin spice cake.



FAMILY FEUDS OVER WHETHER CAYLEE IS DEAD


Eyewitness News has obtained new documents from prosecutors that show Casey's own relatives believe she killed her daughter. In the 700 pages of evidence there were emails that started a family feud between Cindy Anthony and her brother.

Cindy's brother said he's frustrated that she believes Casey. In early August reporters asked Cindy Anthony a lot of tough questions about Casey's lies and Eyewitness News has learned Cindy's own brother was asking those same questions.

However, his inquiries ended in a family feud. In an email exchanged in August, Cindy's brother Rick Plesea, who she rarely talked to, told her his theory: "Caylee drowned in the pool, and Casey put Caylee's body in the trunk of her car." and "That is why the dogs hit on the trunk." From there the exchange deteriorated to insults.

Cindy wrote: "The next time you say Caylee is dead I will personally come there and kick your sorry a** all the way to hell."

Her brother fired back: "Your granddaughter is dead. There, I said it. Casey has killed her someway either by accident or on purpose."

"You have both lost your minds," Plesea writes to Cindy and George.

He also said Casey Anthony attended his wedding seven months pregnant with Caylee and when Rick asked Cindy about it she said Casey told her she wasn't pregnant then proceeded to say, "She would have to have sex to be pregnant."

Rick Plesea forwarded all of his emails to detectives.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18159143/detail.html

[mu8shark]

What I heard for one of the guests on NG was that since this type of DNA analysis followed maternal lines, there would only be four people whose mitrochondrial DNA would match. cindy, lee, casey and Caylee. We know that all of those but Caylee can be accounted for. They are alive. The hair had the "death band" on it so it would have to come from the one person they can not account for, Caylee:rose:. Depending on what kind of mitrochrondial dna it is , cousins and other family members from the same grandmother and great grandmother can have same mitro dna. So I think that person is assuming only four people and maybe misstated. . However it is still limited. None of the Antony cousins are presumed dead or missing. I only know this about cousins because when they were testing for dna on the Anastasia thing, they tested Prince Philip for mitrochrondial dna markers because he was like a third cousin or something of the czar and he and the czar had the same mitro from Queen Victoria's maternal line.

[One2Snoop]

:rolleyes:

snip...
Bart also challenges the Orange County Sheriff's Office to investigate the circumstances surrounding an apparent cell phone picture she says a woman took of Caylee at the Florida Mall on November 16. Bart and the Anthony's believe it could be Caylee.

Bart said the Anthony's say they see characteristics of Caylee both in the picture and from accounts given by the woman who took the picture. Bart has yet to release her name; however, she did release the picture which has been broadcast. Bart said the fact that no one has come forward over the past week to discount the picture gives her and the Anthony's hope.

The Sheriff's Office tells FOX 35 that they are not interested in the picture whatsoever and believe Caylee Anthony is dead. The state will try to prove that at trial.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7967805&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[mu8shark]

So is the current thinking that Casey, administering chloroform to Caylee on a semi regular basis, over did it and Caylee died as a result? I have come across many a " mother" whom I have had to report for various reasons and I thought I had heard or seen it all, but this is over the top...even the other inmates will consider her a target. She's done... It is not my theory, if she was looking up how to break a neck, chloroform and the word death, she did it on purpose , I think in my opinion of course. I think chloroform was the quickest , cleanest way , esp for lazy Casey who would like no muss, no fuss. She also was looking on missing childrens sites beforehand probably looking to see whose story was best on there for her to duplicate. I think it is premeditated plain and simple. At first I did think it was just her chloroforming her as a way to have a babysitter and she overdid it, but I don't now, not with the searches.

[mu8shark]

:rolleyes:

snip...
Bart also challenges the Orange County Sheriff's Office to investigate the circumstances surrounding an apparent cell phone picture she says a woman took of Caylee at the Florida Mall on November 16. Bart and the Anthony's believe it could be Caylee.

Bart said the Anthony's say they see characteristics of Caylee both in the picture and from accounts given by the woman who took the picture. Bart has yet to release her name; however, she did release the picture which has been broadcast. Bart said the fact that no one has come forward over the past week to discount the picture gives her and the Anthony's hope.

The Sheriff's Office tells FOX 35 that they are not interested in the picture whatsoever and believe Caylee Anthony is dead. The state will try to prove that at trial.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7967805&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 Characteristics?? Like she had brown hair and wore her hair in a ponytail and had a look about her , but the nose and chin are all wrong when you look at the photos side by side a few pages back. Not the same child and I bet the pros will be prepared to have an expert compare some photos. As for no one coming forward, I someone already explained there were tons of tourists known to come to that mall, It could anyone not following the case.

[One2Snoop]

Problems Between Casey, Cindy Revealed In New Documents
Friday, November 28, 2008 4:09:00 PM

ORLANDO -- Documents released by the State Attorney’s Office Wednesday showed investigators had a particular interest in the relationship between Casey and her mother, Cindy.

According to an interview with Casey's grandmother, Cindy sought professional help in dealing with her then out-of-control daughter.

Allegedly, the counselor advised Cindy to kick Casey out of the house.

Cindy also allegedly told family members that she was considering filing for full custody of Caylee.

Meanwhile, documents showed Jesse Grund, Casey's ex-fiancé, told Sheriff’s investigators Casey and Cindy got into a huge altercation the night before Caylee was last seen alive.
"It got into a very heated argument, which turned physical and Cindy started choking Casey," Grund said. He said he was told this by Lee Anthony, Casey's brother.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/27/problems_between_casey_cindy_revealed_in_new_docum ents.html

[One2Snoop]

Characteristics?? Like she had brown hair and wore her hair in a ponytail and had a look about her , but the nose and chin are all wrong when you look at the photos side by side a few pages back. Not the same child and I bet the pros will be prepared to have an expert compare some photos. As for no one coming forward, I someone already explained there were tons of tourists known to come to that mall, It could anyone not following the case.

Exactly! We know Cindy isn't dealing with reality nor is Michelle Bart, IMO.
I still think George takes the sign out just to appease Cindy.

[mu8shark]

"Casey’s ex-fiance’, Jesse Grund, told investigators he has heard that Casey has been cooking up a story to frame him for Caylee's murder, even though she insists Caylee is alive. Grund claims Casey tried to convince her lawyer, with her mother's help, that Grund killed Caylee because of his "obsession" with her and planted evidence in the back of her (Casey’s) car. "End quote. This from an article posted on message board about Jesse's interview. If this is true , then it just proves my point that Cindy knows Caylee is dead and her only mission now is to throw out reasonable doubt to a jury pool or point the finger at someone else. I mean, how could she be saying Caylee is alive, Caylee is at the mall when she was plotting with Casey to say Jesse killed her. If she wants to say Jesse killed her it would suggest she knows Caylee is dead,. Casey may be a sociopath but Cindy taught her how to lie and manipulate and control.

[mu8shark]

Exactly! We know Cindy isn't dealing with reality nor is Michelle Bart, IMO.
I still think George takes the sign out just to appease Cindy. He also may have wanted to get away from Batgirl (Cindy) LOL. I imagine after she heard his FBI interview contradicting almost everything she said, she is not too pleasant to live with.

[One2Snoop]

4 New Additional Pics of Caylee Sighting At The Mall

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/18146260/detail.html

Basically the same view we saw earlier...


For the life of me I can't understand why this woman didn't notify LE or Security - yet she chose to stand there and take pics of the girl and did nothing? Hmmm???

[mu8shark]

Ok one of the other things I noticed in the computer dump was that they ran a program to check what if any passwords were being used on the pc and they came up with only one Rico23 but Cindy said in her talk with the FBI that they saw a new password on the pc before it was searched called Timer55 and Casey told her a story about how that was how many days she was being taught a lesson for. My point is that this wasn't a password so what was it? Afgter searching I found some info on a timer that you can use on the computer to forward mail to yourself. I have actually used a version of this to remind myself about assignment due dates and such. Was Casey planning on sending herself a message from the elusive Zanny? Makes sense to me after she had spent the night being questioned and had told the cops that they WOULD find stuff from Zanny on her PC. JMHO! Actually you are probably spot on in that she tried to send a message to herself from the Nanny. Last night on NG, I thought they mentioned she told Lee that there was an email proving she worked at Universal and some email from Zanny and both were proved to be false. NG did not go into detail about the Zanny one but the Universal was bogus, not that email addy at Universal nor that boss. but I wish she would have said more about the Zanny one.

[mu8shark]

4 New Additional Pics of Caylee Sighting At The Mall

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/18146260/detail.html

Basically the same view we saw earlier...


For the life of me I can't understand why this woman didn't notify LE or Security - yet she chose to stand there and take pics of the girl and did nothing? Hmmm???
Michele Bart said the person said they contacted LE twice and no one came. I don't believe that really because as we talked about, 911 would be the easiest , fastest way and there has been zero mention of a 911 recording.

[One2Snoop]

Actually you are probably spot on in that she tried to send a message to herself from the Nanny. Last night on NG, I thought they mentioned she told Lee that there was an email proving she worked at Universal and some email from Zanny and both were proved to be false. NG did not go into detail about the Zanny one but the Universal was bogus, not that email addy at Universal nor that boss. but I wish she would have said more about the Zanny one.

That's correct - those emails surfaced early on and IIRC none of the emails could be traced according to LE.

ETA: I believe there's a link to all the emails - let me check...

[One2Snoop]

I'm looking at the computer forensics report - actually I don't recall anything about an email to Zenaida - but there was a search on Casey's/ Cindy's computer...

"A Keyword search for Zenaida was conducted on the HP desktop computer".

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1603690/casey-anthony-computer-report

I can't remember if it was George or Lee that handed over the emails talking about Casey's "supposed employment".

[One2Snoop]

more forensics - mentions email from Universal to Casey...

Starts with page 2 - Tom<Thomas Franck@universal.com>

LE nor FBI could verify this was a real person.

Emails about Casey's "supposed" employment start on page 2.

Also..

email from Cindy to Casey at the link (page 2)...
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811291/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-011

[deacon]

That is a keeper Deacon! I will never forget that story and knowing me, I will share it a million times. Thank you!

It helped me when I heard it until today. I guess it always will

[Jolae]

:shrug: Good mornin everyone! I am a "new poster on this site as I was BANNED at Insessions yesterday under the nic Elvish, for giving my insight to the Casey Craziness.:flamemad: We can chat about alil angel Caylee decomposing with maggots (:eek:) and everything in between, but God forbid we mention incest! I have been on that site since 2003 and NEVER even acumulating more than 300 posts in all those years. Guess I should have remained a "lurker" and not tried to add my life experiences.

:seeya: Thanks for letting me vent :cuss:

Back to lurking!:tongue:

:rose: Caylee, not forgotten by some

[Its just me]

No, but if you believe as I do, she will live in goodness and pleasure forever now. With the one who loves her more than anyone else. I really wish she could have lived a full life here on earth but that was not to be. However, I really wonder if she lived, would she have had a chance at a normal life or would her family situation ruined it for her. She was a beautiful little girl and I am not talking about her appearance.:rose:

I believe as you do Deacon. The following is something I also believe and is a comfort when things happen to precious little ones as Caylee. I'm sharing in case it will also give someone comfort. I lost my son who was 30 and found this desperately searching for help from God. I "know" this was my answer from God because my son prayed often to be seperated from the evils of the world. IJM/fep

The good die young: God sometimes decides that people are to die before their time because they are good, and pleased God. He takes them up into Heaven so that they would not be polluted by the evil which surrounds them in the world. The following quotation comes from the Wisdom of Solomon 4:10-15. It is one of the apocryphal books, which are not found in all Bibles:
"There were some who pleased God and were loved by Him, and while living among sinners were taken up. They were caught up so that evil might not change their understanding, or guile deceive their souls. For the fascination of wickedness obscures what is good, and roving desire perverts the innocent mind. Being perfected in a short time, they fulfilled long years; for their souls were pleasing to the Lord, therefore He took them quickly from the midst of wickedness. Yet the peoples saw and did not understand, to take such a thing to heart, that God's grace and mercy are with His elect, and that He watches over His Holy ones."

[deacon]

I believe as you do Deacon. The following is something I also believe and is a comfort when things happen to precious little ones as Caylee. I'm sharing in case it will also give someone comfort. I lost my son who was 30 and found this desperately searching for help from God. I "know" this was my answer from God because my son prayed often to be seperated from the evils of the world. IJM/fep

The good die young: God sometimes decides that people are to die before their time because they are good, and pleased God. He takes them up into Heaven so that they would not be polluted by the evil which surrounds them in the world. The following quotation comes from the Wisdom of Solomon 4:10-15. It is one of the apocryphal books, which are not found in all Bibles:
"There were some who pleased God and were loved by Him, and while living among sinners were taken up. They were caught up so that evil might not change their understanding, or guile deceive their souls. For the fascination of wickedness obscures what is good, and roving desire perverts the innocent mind. Being perfected in a short time, they fulfilled long years; for their souls were pleasing to the Lord, therefore He took them quickly from the midst of wickedness. Yet the peoples saw and did not understand, to take such a thing to heart, that God's grace and mercy are with His elect, and that He watches over His Holy ones."



So I am not as crazy as I thought I was. IMO sometimes little ones are in situations not of their doing and are taken "home" before their time to prevent more evil from happening.

[Justice Denied?]

I think for the first time in my life i would greatly support the death penalty here. I was perusing thru some other boards and came upon the serial killer one. After reading some of the posts i had to get off. Especially the Richard Ramirez (sp?) thread. Scary people out there-think he's a god,so handsome and that he is innocent. One of his followers even married him. It would sicken me to death to think Casey would have her own little fan club for the rest of her time if she got life. I dont want that waste of skin to ever derive any pleasure from this world again. Caylee sure never got the chance. :rose:

One thing that sickened me was that when Casey got a letter from a Scot Peterson in CA, she was telling the guards and everyone that it was from THE Scot Peterson that murdered Lacy. This girl is a trip.

[Justice Denied?]

George Refuses To Give Up Hope That Caylee Is Alive
Thursday, November 27, 2008 –
updated: 9:32 am EST November 28, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Channel 9 learned Casey's father, George Anthony, spent part of his Thanksgiving driving by himself around downtown Orlando and Winter Park towing his "Where is Caylee billboard." Even after new evidence was released to support the theory Casey killed her daughter Caylee, George has continued searching for a live Caylee.

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony spent Thanksgiving alone in the Orange County Jail. Officials said the Anthony family did not visit Casey Thursday nor did she request any visitors or phone calls for the holiday.

Instead, she dined with other prisoners on turkey and dressing, mashed potatoes, mixed vegetables, bread and butter. For dessert, Casey had a slice of pumpkin spice cake.



FAMILY FEUDS OVER WHETHER CAYLEE IS DEAD


Eyewitness News has obtained new documents from prosecutors that show Casey's own relatives believe she killed her daughter. In the 700 pages of evidence there were emails that started a family feud between Cindy Anthony and her brother.

Cindy's brother said he's frustrated that she believes Casey. In early August reporters asked Cindy Anthony a lot of tough questions about Casey's lies and Eyewitness News has learned Cindy's own brother was asking those same questions.

However, his inquiries ended in a family feud. In an email exchanged in August, Cindy's brother Rick Plesea, who she rarely talked to, told her his theory: "Caylee drowned in the pool, and Casey put Caylee's body in the trunk of her car." and "That is why the dogs hit on the trunk." From there the exchange deteriorated to insults.

Cindy wrote: "The next time you say Caylee is dead I will personally come there and kick your sorry a** all the way to hell."

Her brother fired back: "Your granddaughter is dead. There, I said it. Casey has killed her someway either by accident or on purpose."

"You have both lost your minds," Plesea writes to Cindy and George.

He also said Casey Anthony attended his wedding seven months pregnant with Caylee and when Rick asked Cindy about it she said Casey told her she wasn't pregnant then proceeded to say, "She would have to have sex to be pregnant."

Rick Plesea forwarded all of his emails to detectives.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18159143/detail.html

You have got to be kidding! Cindy was denying that Casey was pregnant AT 7 MONTHS and tha Casey wasn't having sex???? That woman is the absolute queen of .denial. She want's everyone to believe her familt is perfect.

I have a question. Did it ever come out where Casey was spending her days? Back in 06 when Casey lost her Universal job, Caylee would nave been less than a year old. Babies that age need a lot of looking after. My great granddaughter walked at 8 months and by a year you couldn't take you eyes off her for a second. What was Casey doing with this child when she was supposed to be working?:confused:

[TLC]

There is a photo of Casey and her mother at that wedding in this week's Globe (a rag I know but it is worth it for the pic) you can SEE she is so obviously pregnant, and if her mother couldn't - there is no hope for that woman.

[Woostock]

would you venture to say "Denial" is what Cindy does best? that defense mechanism doesn't do anyone any good...She is exasperating to say the least

[Mac]

:shrug: Good mornin everyone! I am a "new poster on this site as I was BANNED at Insessions yesterday under the nic Elvish, for giving my insight to the Casey Craziness.:flamemad: We can chat about alil angel Caylee decomposing with maggots (:eek:) and everything in between, but God forbid we mention incest! I have been on that site since 2003 and NEVER even acumulating more than 300 posts in all those years. Guess I should have remained a "lurker" and not tried to add my life experiences.

:seeya: Thanks for letting me vent :cuss:

Back to lurking!:tongue:

:rose: Caylee, not forgotten by some


Me too

Greetings from that "other" site that I got banned from.....for getting off topic while trying to help a fellow poster through some bad memories......so they banned me

Anyway....MY name is Mac.....and I look forward to some great debates

[Mac]

One thing that sickened me was that when Casey got a letter from a Scot Peterson in CA, she was telling the guards and everyone that it was from THE Scot Peterson that murdered Lacy. This girl is a trip.

I thought they disproved that the letter was never sent.......did I read it right?

[Mac]

Welcome and dont lurk-I came here from that board and it's just too psychotic for me. Here it is calm and supportive. We have discussed the incest and put it to rest until Casey made the allegations and became public in the documents. Much more freedom of speech here and if someone doesnt think it appropriate they will tell u in a tactfull way. So share your thoughts.



Thanks for the heads up......It feels good to be here......there will be at least 8 more members coming over soon

[applesandorange]

THinking about the round about theories I've had regarding this case, it occurred to me after I saw that evidence points to the probability that the child was dead at some point in the back yard and in the car, (According to reports that the dogs picked up the scent of a cadaver...) then I remembered the Chloroform in the trunk.. Question: Would that mean she had used Chloroform in the car to sedate Caylee prior to her death, on another day? Or was she simply messing around with chloraform or what? Maybe more planned confusion by the mysterous sociopath???

Any thoughts?



My theory was that she chloroformed Caylee in the car and took her to her parents back yard and placed her in the play house. I never thought she had to have died in the house or backyard. She could have died anywhere and been placed in the backyard and trunk. The dogs still would hit on any place she was while not alive. JMO

[applesandorange]

Thank you! Of course.
You just gave me an "AH HA!" moment.


LoL!! I've had several of those moments here :beer:

[Justice Denied?]

I thought they disproved that the letter was never sent.......did I read it right?

If so, I stand corrected. It was my understanding that they proved it was not from the murderer but just a regular guy in CA. I could be the one who read it wrong, however.

[Justice Denied?]

Thank you! Of course.
You just gave me an "AH HA!" moment.

IIRC, the neighbor said he saw Casey's car backed into the garage on two seperate days. that would be one to place Caylee in the back yard and one to remove her. Just MOO

[One2Snoop]

:shrug: Good mornin everyone! I am a "new poster on this site as I was BANNED at Insessions yesterday under the nic Elvish, for giving my insight to the Casey Craziness.:flamemad: We can chat about alil angel Caylee decomposing with maggots (:eek:) and everything in between, but God forbid we mention incest! I have been on that site since 2003 and NEVER even acumulating more than 300 posts in all those years. Guess I should have remained a "lurker" and not tried to add my life experiences.

:seeya: Thanks for letting me vent :cuss:

Back to lurking!:tongue:

:rose: Caylee, not forgotten by some

Me too

Greetings from that "other" site that I got banned from.....for getting off topic while trying to help a fellow poster through some bad memories......so they banned me

Anyway....MY name is Mac.....and I look forward to some great debates

Their loss our gain. Welcome to the both of you. :seeya: And if either one of you trail off topic we just might follow suit. ;) LOL.

[One2Snoop]

Cindy talks about Zanny a little over 11 minutes into this video as though she's real! :eek: :rolleyes:

Eyewitness News interviewed Cindy Anthony about the email she sent to Larry Garrison. (11/26/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html

[Twinners]

Thanks for posting that interview, Snoop!

Cindy giving evidence to the defense bothers me more than I can say. Her continued association with Casey is what keeps me from fully supporting her. I understand she's her daughter, but she's also the person responsible for the disappearance/death of her grandchild. I would think that alone would be enough to cause Cindy to at least distance herself from Casey, but apparently not.

I visited the MySpace page for Caylee again today and was sickened to see Casey is still listed as one of Caylee's heroes. Things like that baffle me.

[Jolae]

Thanks for posting that interview, Snoop!

Cindy giving evidence to the defense bothers me more than I can say. Her continued association with Casey is what keeps me from fully supporting her. I understand she's her daughter, but she's also the person responsible for the disappearance/death of her grandchild. I would think that alone would be enough to cause Cindy to at least distance herself from Casey, but apparently not.

I visited the MySpace page for Caylee again today and was sickened to see Casey is still listed as one of Caylee's heroes. Things like that baffle me.

This whole case defies ALL logic. Truly baffling Twinners. It will definately become a case study. I wish I could be inside Caseys head right now as she sits in jail. Just what could she be thinking about now 24hrs a day...with no texting!! lol Hope she rots:flamemad:

[sharlock]

He also may have wanted to get away from Batgirl (Cindy) LOL. I imagine after she heard his FBI interview contradicting almost everything she said, she is not too pleasant to live with.
LOL! :hat: I was just about to post the same thing. I totally agree that it would be a great way to get out of that house without being badshed for not pulling his weight.
Does anyone else have problems with reaching most of the smilies because of the ad?

[sharlock]

It is not my theory, if she was looking up how to break a neck, chloroform and the word death, she did it on purpose , I think in my opinion of course. I think chloroform was the quickest , cleanest way , esp for lazy Casey who would like no muss, no fuss. She also was looking on missing childrens sites beforehand probably looking to see whose story was best on there for her to duplicate. I think it is premeditated plain and simple. At first I did think it was just her chloroforming her as a way to have a babysitter and she overdid it, but I don't now, not with the searches.
Yep, I think you nailed it there. I do think she might have used xanax in the past to keep Caylee asleep during the parties but I think the chloroform can only be a murder weapon sadly enough. For a short time I did consider that it may have been accidently made by the cleaning agents that George used to clean the trunk but with the accompanying search terms it seems the former suggestion is the more likely one.

[sharlock]

more forensics - mentions email from Universal to Casey...

Starts with page 2 - Tom<Thomas Franck@universal.com>

LE nor FBI could verify this was a real person.

Emails about Casey's "supposed" employment start on page 2.

Also..

email from Cindy to Casey at the link (page 2)...
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2811291/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-011
Thanks for the links One2Snoop! Much appreciated:rose:

[sharlock]

I find it interesting that Casey created the Girl file (little girl looking at hung teddy and quote saying "Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?" on the 8th of July and the last shown access to it is on the 10th of July (Casey sympathised with the kidnappers who might potentially harm her child so much that she found this quote to show them she cared if they were executed?); so she looked at it more than once...
and same goes for all the other files like the quote "You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks or even months over-analyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what could've, would've happened, or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the f#*k on Tupac" (which she must have liked because it soothed her concerns for Caylee's well being as she had been kidnapped according to Casey for 26 days at this point) was created 11th of July and last accessed the 14th of July.
I find it difficult to beleive that the Anthony's had no idea that Casey wan't in Jacksonville and was visiting home and using the computer all the time. They say they noticed Caseys clothes dissappearing and not little Caylees but I would think they probably noticed food going missing from the fridge and stuff like that as well. Didn't they say that the car being impounded proved Casey was not in Jacksonville and that is what set off their hinky meters? I think they already knew she wasn't there.
It is also interesting to note that she was still checking her online dating site she opened in Mar 20th 08 on the 21st of June, only a few days after little Caylee died (Maybe the kidnappers forced her to get wasted and have a good time and perhaps they communicated with her through cupid.com so as to throw off all the people who would expect a Mum who had had her child kidnapped to act concerned?).
IMO the parents are right to consider that Casey might have been innocent at first but if they truly believed what she was telling them and that she was so scared for them, Caylee and herself that she couldn't even go to the police and is still unable to tell the truth about what happened then they should also be able to explain why Casey felt safe to go out partying at nightclubs all of the time and check to see if any potential dates had checked out her profiile on cupid.com.

Sorry just one more observation I promise, Casey put in the diary of days which is probably the most telling of all the info found on the pc and it was written on the 7th of July. She sure is a piece of work:-

"On the worst of worst days
remember the words spoken,
Trust noone
only yourself,
with great power comes
great consequence,
what can be given
can be taken away,
everyone lies
everyone dies
Life will never be easy.

On the worst of the worst days,
remember the words spoken,
hold your head high
smile,
laugh,
love unconditionally
Tomorrow is a brand new day!"

Yep, that is the type of inspirational quote that would lift me right out of the doldrums those pesky kidnappers had put me in!:eek:

When Cindy releases her book on how to cope with a kidnapped child in the family I hope she doesn't neglect to add these truly inspirational quotes to help all of those mothers out there whose children have REALLY been kidnapped. I am sure they will find them as consoling as Casey did!

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by Jolae http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9141387#post9141387)
:shrug: Good mornin everyone! I am a "new poster on this site as I was BANNED at Insessions yesterday under the nic Elvish, for giving my insight to the Casey Craziness.:flamemad: We can chat about alil angel Caylee decomposing with maggots (:eek:) and everything in between, but God forbid we mention incest! I have been on that site since 2003 and NEVER even acumulating more than 300 posts in all those years. Guess I should have remained a "lurker" and not tried to add my life experiences.

:seeya: Thanks for letting me vent :cuss:


Back to lurking!

:rose: Caylee, not forgotten by some



Originally Posted by Mac http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9141427#post9141427)
Me too

Greetings from that "other" site that I got banned from.....for getting off topic while trying to help a fellow poster through some bad memories......so they banned me

Anyway....MY name is Mac.....and I look forward to some great debates



Welcome guys, we only avoid talking about Caseys innocence here but I think we could even cope with that if anyone still finds it in them to beleive such malarkey!

[sharlock]

This is interesting guys. This page shows a snapshot out of Caseys Myspace account in which she is blogging about Nancy Grace. It doesn't show what date it was written as it just says today but it sure would be interesting to have that date!
http://patrishka.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/what-casey-anthony-has-to-say-about-nancy-grace/

[Mac]

Welcome guys, we only avoid talking about Caseys innocence here but I think we could even cope with that if anyone still finds it in them to beleive such malarkey!



Thanks for all the warm welcomes............And I don't think you have to worry about any of us trying to defend the murderess.

[Mac]

This is interesting guys. This page shows a snapshot out of Caseys Myspace account in which she is blogging about Nancy Grace. It doesn't show what date it was written as it just says today but it sure would be interesting to have that date!
http://patrishka.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/what-casey-anthony-has-to-say-about-nancy-grace/



Read that a while ago. IMO when the crap was hitting the perverbial fan, she must have searched for Nancy Grace on Google and coppied and pasted some info. She doesn't have the literacy to type this type of verbage IMO

[Mac]

Thanks for the links One2Snoop! Much appreciated:rose:

Nice find!!

It reads as though she "forged" 2 E-mails from Universal to her, so she could prove that she was working.....very pre-meditated. Cindy, according to her E-mail was losing her mind, between hot flashes and the fact that Casey won't let Cindy see Caylee.

Also just a thought....if she searched for Chloraform(sp) and neck breaking, and so on....wouldn't that prove pre-mediatation. Premeditated murder carries it's won stiffer penalties, if I remember right?

[sharlock]

Earlier the daily BS site said it was releasing info about Cindy... This is the link for that info, it is quite interesting. In it Krause discusses the nature of his conversations with Cindy and how he supported her in gathering info on ZG to help with the courtcase and that he helped her with info regarding LP and others. He broke ties with her after receiving emails saying she had a story that might interest him and I think she sent it to David Lohr as well though it is hard to pin Krause down on that point. She also revealed in a phone conversation which he claims to have taped but cannot release without Cindy's permission apparently and in it she tells him that Casey is a sociopath and that she thinks she did have something to do with Caylees death although it breaks her hurt to say the words. Then Krause received an email from Cindy claiming she never sent the previous emails and that the police or someone must have hacked her account and replied ot him. She also says she found unread emails trashed. Krause beleives she is lyin he gives her the IP Address of the pc that sent the emails and says they originated from Ocala. Cindy admits to being out of town on thanksgiving weekend. I don't know what to beleive, he says he has pings from a ph using Caseys no. (he says she had more than one mob and he thinks the others might have ben used to get drugs, he makes comments about some of her freinds being drug dealers) and that it shows she went to an area near a water treatment plant twice. Once when he thinks she first got rid of the body by burning it and then a 2nd one when she was supposed to be on home detention which makes him think she may have had assistance. He says he squashed a story on casey and escort agencies she was working for at the request of Cindy and says Cindy believed Casey when she said she worked at Universal because she had been earning money and quite a bit too. I am trying to get clarification on how he would have those ph pings after the date her mobile was supposedly cancelled; and if he will be releasing the story he held back. He says other stuff too in a 2 part series but I am tired and need to go to sleep now.
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2094
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2082

[sharlock]

This part stuck out for me... snip/ "Once when he thinks she first got rid of the body by burning it "/ snip

Didn't Cindy say, that Casey's clothes smelled like smoke?
Yes she did and George also mentions that the stuff brought home from AL's stunk of smoke as well! Gorge lied to the FBI as well when he told them the story about chasing Casey in her Mums green four runner, he makes a big deal how it definitely happened and that he had to have been Cindys car because it has a distinctive sticker on the back of it but guess what... Never Happened. I notice he hesitated when they asked if he has e-pass and then start into a barrage of useless info of how Casey would run through those tolls without paying. Seems like that is all of the Anthony's reaction to talk and talk when caught in a lie. Confuse, weave, duck for cover! He also lies about the gas can incident by telling them the opposite of LE and saying this time he did see in the trunk. Why lie????:confused:

[sharlock]

Nice find!!

It reads as though she "forged" 2 E-mails from Universal to her, so she could prove that she was working.....very pre-meditated. Cindy, according to her E-mail was losing her mind, between hot flashes and the fact that Casey won't let Cindy see Caylee.

Also just a thought....if she searched for Chloraform(sp) and neck breaking, and so on....wouldn't that prove pre-mediatation. Premeditated murder carries it's won stiffer penalties, if I remember right?
True but they still have to prove it was her on the pc and not George although I know she added a picture to the cupid.com site and these could have been done around the same time.

[Twinners]

Agree twinners! The major talent of all sociopaths, is ,,, to "baffle" us. They have no emotional conscience, no moral values and no heart. All of this makes those people the most dangerous on this earth. In my reading I've found that sociopaths prey on victims and do not leave them until the victim has no more to give. They set up victims to serve them in some way, sometimes several at a time and they work them by keeping them separated. When the till is empty, as in the case with her mother's finances and babysitting services, they destroy what's left and move on. In this case, IMO, Casey ran out of world. She is sitting in jail semi satisfied that she destroyed her enemy, i.e., her mother, who is now nothing more than an empty vessel, in her eyes. She has nothing left to give Casey, except to add and subtract the facts in her daughter's defense, but Casey knows she can't get her out of jail, so Cindy is useless to her.

If anyone in curious about the thinking dynamics and life styles of a sociopath, the book called, "The Sociopath Next Door" is full of Casey Anthony's behavior.

This is all MO
Thanks for the book recommendation! :beer: I'll definitely check it out!

I think Casey's ability to play the two groups of people in her life (friends and family) against the middle as well as she did is what fascinates me most. I've seen many people comment on Casey's ability to lie well and in many ways, I agree that she can. However, I don't think she lies so well that people couldn't have very easily figured out the truth if they'd only been able to talk to one another. Casey found ways to make sure that didn't happen, at least not often, and that's how she sustained the lifestyle she had all this time.

[Twinners]

I find it interesting that Casey created the Girl file (little girl looking at hung teddy and quote saying on the 8th of July and the last shown access to it is on the 10th of July (Casey sympathised with the kidnappers who might potentially harm her child so much that she found this quote to show them she cared if they were executed?); so she looked at it more than once...
and same goes for all the other files like the quote (which she must have liked because it soothed her concerns for Caylee's well being as she had been kidnapped according to Casey for 26 days at this point) was created 11th of July and last accessed the 14th of July.
I find it difficult to beleive that the Anthony's had no idea that Casey wan't in Jacksonville and was visiting home and using the computer all the time. They say they noticed Caseys clothes dissappearing and not little Caylees but I would think they probably noticed food going missing from the fridge and stuff like that as well. Didn't they say that the car being impounded proved Casey was not in Jacksonville and that is what set off their hinky meters? I think they already knew she wasn't there.
It is also interesting to note that she was still checking her online dating site she opened in Mar 20th 08 on the 21st of June, only a few days after little Caylee died (Maybe the kidnappers forced her to get wasted and have a good time and perhaps they communicated with her through cupid.com so as to throw off all the people who would expect a Mum who had had her child kidnapped to act concerned?).
IMO the parents are right to consider that Casey might have been innocent at first but if they truly believed what she was telling them and that she was so scared for them, Caylee and herself that she couldn't even go to the police and is still unable to tell the truth about what happened then they should also be able to explain why Casey felt safe to go out partying at nightclubs all of the time and check to see if any potential dates had checked out her profiile on cupid.com.

Sorry just one more observation I promise, Casey put in the diary of days which is probably the most telling of all the info found on the pc and it was written on the 7th of July. She sure is a piece of work:-

Yep, that is the type of inspirational quote that would lift me right out of the doldrums those pesky kidnappers had put me in!:eek:

When Cindy releases her book on how to cope with a kidnapped child in the family I hope she doesn't neglect to add these truly inspirational quotes to help all of those mothers out there whose children have REALLY been kidnapped. I am sure they will find them as consoling as Casey did!
I could very well be wrong, but I think Casey was accessing those websites from the laptop she had with her at Tony's, not from the computer that was still in the Anthony's home.

[One2Snoop]

snip
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2094
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2082

Thanks for the links - I've been reading in between interuptions for the past 45 minutes - Oh my, but in all honesty none of it surprises me in the least.

Oh the hacking claim - ROFLMAO. :rolleyes: Maybe it was to many meds or alcohol or a combo of both? :no:

[Gatordog]

Michele Bart said the person said they contacted LE twice and no one came. I don't believe that really because as we talked about, 911 would be the easiest , fastest way and there has been zero mention of a 911 recording.

First they said it was the Fashion Square Mall, then changed it to Mall of Millennia and now it's the Florida Mall. There is a huge hotel built right into the Florida Mall. Again, a good 65% of shoppers there are tourists. Chances are this girl is from Europe or South America which is why no one has said it's their daughter. All they had to do is strike up a conversation with the parents and then, if they were still suspicious, call mall security. I don't think it looks like her - resembles yes due to coloring, but the facial structure is wrong.

[Gatordog]

Yes she did and George also mentions that the stuff brought home from AL's stunk of smoke as well! Gorge lied to the FBI as well when he told them the story about chasing Casey in her Mums green four runner, he makes a big deal how it definitely happened and that he had to have been Cindys car because it has a distinctive sticker on the back of it but guess what... Never Happened. I notice he hesitated when they asked if he has e-pass and then start into a barrage of useless info of how Casey would run through those tolls without paying. Seems like that is all of the Anthony's reaction to talk and talk when caught in a lie. Confuse, weave, duck for cover! He also lies about the gas can incident by telling them the opposite of LE and saying this time he did see in the trunk. Why lie????:confused:

Seems to me that all this family knows how to do - is lie. Oh, excuse me, Cindy calls them "mistruths". No wonder Casey grew up to have no morals. There was one thing I learned very early, never/ever lie. My parents always told me, if you did something tell the truth, if we find out you lied, it will be much worse. They were telling the truth about that :o .

[Gatordog]

Things were real quiet locally about the Anthonys. George was seen early Thanksgiving morning driving his car and billboard around Winter Park. Then it was said they were spending Thanksgiving away. I guess they didn't like being out of the media's spotlight so they released new pictures of Caley last night. First they want the attention, then they call everyone in the media maggots and parasites, and then they basically beg for attention. These folks really get on my nerves. Regarding the smell of smoke that has been written of - very good observations on your part. I also remember that early on there were little stuffed toys that the family had thrown away. They said they were gifts that had been sent for Caylee but they smelled of smoke. Wonder if they were destroying evidence on purpose? After all, Cindy had the idea of giving LE the dog's toothbrush instead of Caylees. :cuss:

[Mac]

Things were real quiet locally about the Anthonys. George was seen early Thanksgiving morning driving his car and billboard around Winter Park. Then it was said they were spending Thanksgiving away. I guess they didn't like being out of the media's spotlight so they released new pictures of Caley last night. First they want the attention, then they call everyone in the media maggots and parasites, and then they basically beg for attention. These folks really get on my nerves. Regarding the smell of smoke that has been written of - very good observations on your part. I also remember that early on there were little stuffed toys that the family had thrown away. They said they were gifts that had been sent for Caylee but they smelled of smoke. Wonder if they were destroying evidence on purpose? After all, Cindy had the idea of giving LE the dog's toothbrush instead of Caylees. :cuss:

I agree with you. That was a brilliant observation about the smoke....I think when they said the clothes smelled of smoke.....we thought(or I did) Cigarette smoke.....Any idea of the area that Krause is talking about near the water treatment plant....and was it searched?

[lighthousedazy]

I agree with you. That was a brilliant observation about the smoke....I think when they said the clothes smelled of smoke.....we thought(or I did) Cigarette smoke.....Any idea of the area that Krause is talking about near the water treatment plant....and was it searched?
At first, I thought of cigarette smoke too. That smell of smoke keeps popping up. I certainly hope LE has checked that area that Kraus was talking about. :(

[One2Snoop]

And this is important how? :shrug: :rolleyes:


Caylee, Casey Anthony top Yahoo! searches in '08

Last Edited: Monday, 01 Dec 2008, 9:56 AM EST
Created: Monday, 01 Dec 2008, 9:47 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- On Monday, Yahoo! released their top 2008 search terms and searches for missing Caylee Anthony and her mother, Casey, were second in their top 10 news list.

Yahoo! said the story of the little girl captivated interest because of the suspicious circumstances surrounding her disappearance.

Caylee and Casey Anthony search terms even beat out searches regarding Election 2008.

Hurricanes were the top news search of 2008, and Afghanistan was last in the top 10 list.

Their top 10 lists were categorized into top 10 news, news, celebrity news, Olympians, Politicians, women, economy, farewells and buzz.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7976287&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Gatordog]

I agree with you. That was a brilliant observation about the smoke....I think when they said the clothes smelled of smoke.....we thought(or I did) Cigarette smoke.....Any idea of the area that Krause is talking about near the water treatment plant....and was it searched?

Hi Mac, and welcome to another Floridian. The water treatment plant is most likely the plant that is on Lake Underhill and Econ Trail. Not a remote area but no homes or buildings near it and it's not heavily accessed. Less than 10 minutes from her house.

[Gatordog]

Earlier the daily BS site said it was releasing info about Cindy... This is the link for that info, it is quite interesting. In it Krause discusses the nature of his conversations with Cindy and how he supported her in gathering info on ZG to help with the courtcase and that he helped her with info regarding LP and others. He broke ties with her after receiving emails saying she had a story that might interest him and I think she sent it to David Lohr as well though it is hard to pin Krause down on that point. She also revealed in a phone conversation which he claims to have taped but cannot release without Cindy's permission apparently and in it she tells him that Casey is a sociopath and that she thinks she did have something to do with Caylees death although it breaks her hurt to say the words. Then Krause received an email from Cindy claiming she never sent the previous emails and that the police or someone must have hacked her account and replied ot him. She also says she found unread emails trashed. Krause beleives she is lyin he gives her the IP Address of the pc that sent the emails and says they originated from Ocala. Cindy admits to being out of town on thanksgiving weekend. I don't know what to beleive, he says he has pings from a ph using Caseys no. (he says she had more than one mob and he thinks the others might have ben used to get drugs, he makes comments about some of her freinds being drug dealers) and that it shows she went to an area near a water treatment plant twice. Once when he thinks she first got rid of the body by burning it and then a 2nd one when she was supposed to be on home detention which makes him think she may have had assistance. He says he squashed a story on casey and escort agencies she was working for at the request of Cindy and says Cindy believed Casey when she said she worked at Universal because she had been earning money and quite a bit too. I am trying to get clarification on how he would have those ph pings after the date her mobile was supposedly cancelled; and if he will be releasing the story he held back. He says other stuff too in a 2 part series but I am tired and need to go to sleep now.
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2094
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2082

If Cindy's lips are moving, or her fingers are typing - it's just a "mistruth". George was here in Winter Park Thanksgiving morning. If she did go to Ocala for Thanksgiving, it's only a 90 minute drive and she could have been back by 6 p.m.

[Mac]

Hi Mac, and welcome to another Floridian. The water treatment plant is most likely the plant that is on Lake Underhill and Econ Trail. Not a remote area but no homes or buildings near it and it's not heavily accessed. Less than 10 minutes from her house.

Thanks Gator.....I know the area now...thanks...not too remote to say the least. And if she burned the body with gas...as Mr Krause suggests....I can't see her getting the body hot enough to dissapate bones. I know Cremation takes place around 1400-1800 degrees, so if she did burn the body, then there should be something left.

Padill seems to think that Casey never would get her hands dirty to do that though.

A lot that Krause said makes sense and gives credence to a lot of things, most of us think about Cindy.

[Spider]

Oh Please oh please let LE arrest Cindy for obstruction of justice. After all of the lies she has told and the games she has played she needs to be made an example of. She can start writing her stupid book while she is sitting in jail wondering why no attorney will come near her. I am shocked that LE has not called her back in to answer to some of this stuff. Perhaps it is one of many of their 'aces in the hole' so to speak.

And, allow me to be the acme of lost for a moment.....when was it made clear that George lied about chasing casey on the highway? I know it frustrates some to keep updating the people like me who snag bits here and there but I know I can depend on you fine folks.

Geez....but please. I wonder if this trial will be telivised. I wish I knew so I could go ahead and plan a vacation day to see this circus.

[wind149]

Don't worry about other boards, this is the best board out there, you can say what you feel and be yourself. I was banned from the TRU board and I could give a rat's ass because people on there were totally in a clique or you had the brain dead ones that think people like myself that loathe anyone that harms a child, are a firm believer in the DP and I say it like I call it and there were so many of the "ped lovers" who thought that babyraping scumbags were just misunderstood creatures who deserve a hug and cookies and they thought of me as a blood thirsty vigilante and a cold beast and I posted what I wanted to do to John Couey and apparently it was too much for TRU to handle and banned me and like I said who cares??? What is the point of posting if you can't say how you feel??? I wanted John Couey to die very painfully for what he did to Jessica Lunsford and even though he got the DP I had something more in mind for him, like have Mark Lunsford and about 30 of his biker bros pay a visit to him and let them have at him in every painful way possible and when it was all over, I agree to buy the beer, the pig, and the mops!! Now what is wrong with wanting to see a scumbag babyraping POS get his instead of wasting tax dollars keeping him alive for 12 years, FL's average appeal time??? Being a rape survivor myself and luckily for society the one that did it to me will never see freedom, I want every child abuser, molester, and killer to be dead including Casey! So don't feel too bad you were banned, you are more than welcome here!!!:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Yes she did and George also mentions that the stuff brought home from AL's stunk of smoke as well! Gorge lied to the FBI as well when he told them the story about chasing Casey in her Mums green four runner, he makes a big deal how it definitely happened and that he had to have been Cindys car because it has a distinctive sticker on the back of it but guess what... Never Happened. I notice he hesitated when they asked if he has e-pass and then start into a barrage of useless info of how Casey would run through those tolls without paying. Seems like that is all of the Anthony's reaction to talk and talk when caught in a lie. Confuse, weave, duck for cover! He also lies about the gas can incident by telling them the opposite of LE and saying this time he did see in the trunk. Why lie????:confused:

Oh Please oh please let LE arrest Cindy for obstruction of justice. After all of the lies she has told and the games she has played she needs to be made an example of. She can start writing her stupid book while she is sitting in jail wondering why no attorney will come near her. I am shocked that LE has not called her back in to answer to some of this stuff. Perhaps it is one of many of their 'aces in the hole' so to speak.

And, allow me to be the acme of lost for a moment.....when was it made clear that George lied about chasing casey on the highway? I know it frustrates some to keep updating the people like me who snag bits here and there but I know I can depend on you fine folks.
Geez....but please. I wonder if this trial will be telivised. I wish I knew so I could go ahead and plan a vacation day to see this circus.

Sharlock - I've been out of the loop for the past week and am curious as to where this info came from as well. Thanks.

[One2Snoop]

Don't worry about other boards, this is the best board out there, you can say what you feel and be yourself. I was banned from the TRU board and I could give a rat's ass because people on there were totally in a clique or you had the brain dead ones that think people like myself that loathe anyone that harms a child, are a firm believer in the DP and I say it like I call it and there were so many of the "ped lovers" who thought that babyraping scumbags were just misunderstood creatures who deserve a hug and cookies and they thought of me as a blood thirsty vigilante and a cold beast and I posted what I wanted to do to John Couey and apparently it was too much for TRU to handle and banned me and like I said who cares??? What is the point of posting if you can't say how you feel??? I wanted John Couey to die very painfully for what he did to Jessica Lunsford and even though he got the DP I had something more in mind for him, like have Mark Lunsford and about 30 of his biker bros pay a visit to him and let them have at him in every painful way possible and when it was all over, I agree to buy the beer, the pig, and the mops!! Now what is wrong with wanting to see a scumbag babyraping POS get his instead of wasting tax dollars keeping him alive for 12 years, FL's average appeal time??? Being a rape survivor myself and luckily for society the one that did it to me will never see freedom, I want every child abuser, molester, and killer to be dead including Casey! So don't feel too bad you were banned, you are more than welcome here!!!:beer:

:eek: Why don't you tell us how ya really feel wind? LOL (J/K) :biggrin:

My IP was banned and I have no clue why :shrug: - I haven't posted at CTV since Feb 2006 when CL and CTV split and the Tara Grinstead case was moved here. My nic was removed from the member list when the upgrade was done so I re registered while I was at work - I won't post there though. No great loss IMO - but I did like to read up on certain cases on occasion - now I just read elsewhere.

[Mac]

Don't worry about other boards, this is the best board out there, you can say what you feel and be yourself. I was banned from the TRU board and I could give a rat's ass because people on there were totally in a clique or you had the brain dead ones that think people like myself that loathe anyone that harms a child, are a firm believer in the DP and I say it like I call it and there were so many of the "ped lovers" who thought that babyraping scumbags were just misunderstood creatures who deserve a hug and cookies and they thought of me as a blood thirsty vigilante and a cold beast and I posted what I wanted to do to John Couey and apparently it was too much for TRU to handle and banned me and like I said who cares??? What is the point of posting if you can't say how you feel??? I wanted John Couey to die very painfully for what he did to Jessica Lunsford and even though he got the DP I had something more in mind for him, like have Mark Lunsford and about 30 of his biker bros pay a visit to him and let them have at him in every painful way possible and when it was all over, I agree to buy the beer, the pig, and the mops!! Now what is wrong with wanting to see a scumbag babyraping POS get his instead of wasting tax dollars keeping him alive for 12 years, FL's average appeal time??? Being a rape survivor myself and luckily for society the one that did it to me will never see freedom, I want every child abuser, molester, and killer to be dead including Casey! So don't feel too bad you were banned, you are more than welcome here!!!:beer:


Looks like those of us that were banned at the other site finally found a place where we can voice our opinions at last!

By the way......what I just said.....would have gotten me banned there......Off topic.....HAH!

[One2Snoop]

Looks like those of us that were banned at the other site finally found a place where we can voice our opinions at last!

By the way......what I just said.....would have gotten me banned there......Off topic.....HAH!

You mean http://i35.tinypic.com/2vkzqlk.gif LOL. :tongue:

[Mac]

you mean http://i35.tinypic.com/2vkzqlk.gif lol. :tongue:




nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mac]

I remember the CTV boards. I used to read them when the Holloway case was going on and the Lacy Peterson trial was in full swing. I was baptized by FIRE on those boards and it was worse than a mental institution. Though some were normal, most posters were nuts. I expected to find that again when I signed up here, but this forum is wonderful and there is a great deal of intelligent reading here. I didn't expect this, in fact I was sure I'd read something offensive and bow out as fast as I got here. I'm pleasantly impressed.

:o

LOL!


Those are the boards in question. I joined and in 1 week had 380 posts. I am disabled so I spend a lot of time at my 'puter. Also since I am from Florida, the case interests me greatly.

I got banned on the 4th day for Getting off topic. ( was helping a fellow poster get through a tough time.

The I got banned the second time. The reason was TOS...The mod posted that "Where in the TOS does it say that this is a chat room or we are to discuss personal stuff....THIS THREAD IS CLOSEd.....NEXT THE BANNINGS!!!

Then the mod deleted about 50 posts that wHere off topic...sorry, cant take the personality out of a conversation


I kid you not


It's time to forget about that place.....looks like those of us that are here now have found a place to discuss the case without fear of retribution.

[Mac]

Cindy talks without realizing she is breaking the case wide open with clues from her own words. When she said the clothes were washed because they smelled like smoke, I am sure she didn't know she was giving a lead. And when she called the police and said the car smelled like a dead body, I know she didn't know she was hanging her daughter for murder. Wow, if her feet didn't fit so nicely into her mouth, her head would be split in two. And when her feet are not in her mouth, she's shooting them. I don't think she is aiming though.

Good grief!

I really think IMO, that it is starting to get to the point of Obstruction....Cindy is trying to save a part of her family, by hiding evidence, lying, etc. I really think that if she keeps up the charade that Caylee is still alive, that will draw attention away from her sociopath daughter, and thus, pollute the jury pool.

[One2Snoop]

We'll even let you call CA a lo-life scumbag biotch if you like. (both of them) :D

NG's on - talking about Caylee and the arrest of Jennifer Hudsons brother-in-law.

[One2Snoop]

I'm still trying to play ketchup. Is it true CA gave the FBI the dog's toothbrush? Is the info in the "just released documents 11/26"? I haven't had time to read them yet - but hopefully will get to it tonight.

[One2Snoop]

Cindy Anthony Says Someone Hacked Her Email Account
Monday, December 1, 2008 – updated: 5:29 pm EST December 1, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Cindy Anthony says someone hacked into her email and sent out messages and documents containing sensitive information about the case. WFTV reporter Kathi Belich received four of the emails herself, but when she realized something didn't seem right about them she forwarded the emails to the FBI.

Now, the FBI is investigating.

The Anthonys have used their home computer to email their spokesman, their private investigators and others about the case, but they say someone accessed their account when they weren't even home during the holiday weekend.

Cindy Anthony hammered the point home earlier this year that people were going too far and she was trying to protect her home turf. But over the Thanksgiving weekend, she says someone broke through the boundaries in a more underhanded way, by somehow getting into her Yahoo email account, gaining access to her messages and even confidential documents pertaining to her daughter Casey's defense and sending them out posing as Cindy.

Kathi Belch received four of them on Friday. One of the emails involved the Caylee hairbrush story Eyewitness News broke last week. It seemed odd that Cindy would send Kathi such apparently personal and sensitive information.

Kathi text messaged Cindy right away and forwarded the emails to the FBI, which is already investigating an allegation that Cindy gave investigators the wrong hairbrush when they were trying to get a DNA sample for Caylee.

Cindy told Kathi she had not sent any emails and Monday said she had been locked out of her account over the weekend and said Yahoo found someone in Ocala who might have gotten in.

"It would be a connection between Ocala and Orlando or several protesters that we did run background checks on throughout that period. As to me saying it would be attributed to them, not what I'm saying, but possibly an Ocala to Orlando," said Dominic Casey, Anthonys' private investigator.

The FBI asked Eyewitness News not to reveal the details of emails because of their investigation. They include exchanges between Cindy Anthony and her spokesman, her private investigator, and even the PR person for Kid Finders, angry with Eyewitness News after exposing their founder has a criminal background.

"This is an extreme invasion of privacy of delicate, sensitive information," Dominic Casey said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18181289/detail.html

[Mac]

I'm still trying to play ketchup. Is it true CA gave the FBI the dog's toothbrush? Is the info in the "just released documents 11/26"? I haven't had time to read them yet - but hopefully will get to it tonight.


No...She said to someone that She should have given them the dogs brush

Sarcasm

[Mac]

We'll even let you call CA a lo-life scumbag biotch if you like. (both of them) :D

NG's on - talking about Caylee and the arrest of Jennifer Hudsons brother-in-law.

God I luv this place:beer:

[Mac]

Cindy Anthony Says Someone Hacked Her Email Account
Monday, December 1, 2008 – updated: 5:29 pm EST December 1, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Cindy Anthony says someone hacked into her email and sent out messages and documents containing sensitive information about the case. WFTV reporter Kathi Belich received four of the emails herself, but when she realized something didn't seem right about them she forwarded the emails to the FBI.

Now, the FBI is investigating.

The Anthonys have used their home computer to email their spokesman, their private investigators and others about the case, but they say someone accessed their account when they weren't even home during the holiday weekend.

Cindy Anthony hammered the point home earlier this year that people were going too far and she was trying to protect her home turf. But over the Thanksgiving weekend, she says someone broke through the boundaries in a more underhanded way, by somehow getting into her Yahoo email account, gaining access to her messages and even confidential documents pertaining to her daughter Casey's defense and sending them out posing as Cindy.

Kathi Belch received four of them on Friday. One of the emails involved the Caylee hairbrush story Eyewitness News broke last week. It seemed odd that Cindy would send Kathi such apparently personal and sensitive information.

Kathi text messaged Cindy right away and forwarded the emails to the FBI, which is already investigating an allegation that Cindy gave investigators the wrong hairbrush when they were trying to get a DNA sample for Caylee.

Cindy told Kathi she had not sent any emails and Monday said she had been locked out of her account over the weekend and said Yahoo found someone in Ocala who might have gotten in.

"It would be a connection between Ocala and Orlando or several protesters that we did run background checks on throughout that period. As to me saying it would be attributed to them, not what I'm saying, but possibly an Ocala to Orlando," said Dominic Casey, Anthonys' private investigator.

The FBI asked Eyewitness News not to reveal the details of emails because of their investigation. They include exchanges between Cindy Anthony and her spokesman, her private investigator, and even the PR person for Kid Finders, angry with Eyewitness News after exposing their founder has a criminal background.

"This is an extreme invasion of privacy of delicate, sensitive information," Dominic Casey said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18181289/detail.html

Hard to tell what is true and what is not with this bunch......if it is true....The there might be a bit of anxiety in the Anthony home tonight.

If it is BS, then maybe she is going for a mistrial, or trying to get the attention off of Casey.....I don't know...Everything she has done in the past 2 months is to slow LE and the FBI down.


We will find out!

[One2Snoop]

I did a little snooping around this AM about this hacking claim but held off on posting it thinking it wasn't true. Krause at the Daily BS posted the IP...

65.41.22.59

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=2110

This is what I found....

65.41.22.59 [Copy][Whois]
IP address country: United States
IP address state: Florida
IP address city: Winter Park
IP address latitude: 28.605101
IP address longitude: -81.332199
ISP of this IP [?]: Embarq Corporation
Organization: Embarq Corporation
Host of this IP: [?]: fl-65-41-22-59.dyn.embarqhsd.net [Whois]
Local Time of this IP country: 2008-12-01 20:50

Registrant:
Domain Administrator
Embarq
5454 West 110th Street
Overland Park KS 66211
US
domains@embarq.com +1.9133456209 Fax: -

Domain Name: embarqhsd.net

Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

Administrative Contact:
Domain Administrator
Embarq
5454 West 110th Street
Overland Park KS 66211
US
domains@embarq.com +1.9133456209 Fax: -
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Domain Administrator
Embarq
5454 West 110th Street
Overland Park KS 66211
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domains@embarq.com +1.9133456209 Fax: -

Created on..............: 2006-05-22.
Expires on..............: 2010-05-22.
Record last updated on..: 2008-04-20.

[One2Snoop]

No...She said to someone that She should have given them the dogs brush

Sarcasm

Thanks for straightening that out. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

i googled and found a site that had video's of the interviews with the Anthonys. There are 11 parts. I only watched the first one when Cindy was interviewed and she did most of the talking. 2 investigators allowed her to go on and on and digress continuously. It's over ten minutes long, but I white knuckled it to the end. The most interesting part for me, was when the officer began to speak, Cindy started turning the pages of her book of records on the table in front of her. This body language clearly exposes her refusal to listen to what the man was saying regarding Casey's behavior through out this case. It was still early in the case, I believe it was August and she was already talking over the police and wouldn't let them get a word in.

If anyone has ten minutes to spare check it out. (If you haven't seen it already) I'm always a step behind you guys.

:seeya: It's NG time!

I don't think I can stomach watching another video of Cindy LOL...maybe someone else will do it. :patriot:

[One2Snoop]

Speaking of another video....

FBI Investigating Claim Cindy Anthony's Email Was Hacked (12/1/2008)
Cindy Anthony says someone hacked into her email and sent out messages and documents containing sensitive informati...

Video
http://www.wftv.com/video/18181587/index.html