Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Gatordog]

Hmmmmm between OCSO giving up the search and now NeJames quitting that really speaks loud and clear IMO with whats going on. I guess I can't blame the Anthony's for looking though - I'd probably do the same thing although I hope I wouldn't make a spectacle of myself during the process.

O2S, you're right. In their shoes I wouldn't stop looking until it was confirmed 100%. The problem is, they have been defending Casey throughout this ordeal and that didn't look good in the public's eye. I feel sad for everyone, in this tragedy. Except the killer, of course.

Gator

[Gatordog]

No News Conference? :confused:

November 20, 2008

For Immediate Release
Contact Michelle Bart

Orlando, FL – “Due to recent developments and events this week, it has now become unnecessary to hold a press conference,” said Michelle Bart, spokesperson for the Anthony family.

“The search for Caylee Marie Anthony will continue and we are asking the public if you feel your previous tips were not addressed to please contact Caylee’s tipline at 1-888-231-5618, furthermore, the command center will continue to be open weekly Thursday – Monday from 10am-4pm in order for us to continue our outreach to the community in bringing home Caylee and many other children that are still missing,” said George Anthony. “We appreciate the time and energy that Mr. NeJame and his law firm has dedicated to representing us in the last several months. We respect Mr. NeJame’s decision to resign as our representative as we agree that he can no longer be of benefit to us in our quest to find our missing granddaughter Caylee Marie. We wish Mark and his staff all the best,” said George and Cindy Anthony.
For further information please continue to visit www.helpfindcaylee.com or www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing. ###
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43508113.pdf

The command center is a tent.

[Gatordog]

I don't think this is her either, but, wow! I could see why they think it could be.

Thanks for posting!

How about the other little girl in the stripped shirt in the background? Why not her? It goes to show people need to be very careful in what they assume. Can you imagine what could have happened if the person taking the picture was caught in the act. If it was my child, I'd demand to know why a picture was taken and would call mall security.

Come to think it, why didn't the picture taker call mall security if they were sure this was Caylee? These grandparents don't need the heartache of these people having false sightings. If you think it's her, call authorities immediately.

[Gatordog]

Maybe you all talked about this last night but in the beginning of NG last night she said when Casey saw on tv about the decomposition in the trunk she made a statement that other people borrowed her car. I thought that was curious. No statement like oh for gods sake there is no decomp but someone else borrowed her car. Like who? Tony has a car. Amy had a car and Casey borrowed hers. George denies driving that car. Also , did Nancy ever elaborate on this further? I did not hear another word about it. Anyone know anything else about this? I think it is telling she is trying to say someone else had her car. So now we have gone from the smell being dead squirrels, pizza , hitting a squirrel and now yes maybe it is the smell of decomp but someone else drove her car. They better pick a theory at trial. While they don't have to prove any theory on the defense, juries traditionally don't like scattershot and pick what ya think stick defenses.

Hey Shark, don't forget that someone also could have put a dead body in the trunk while it was at the impound lot and then removed it before the car was released. :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

Yeah, I'd call 911 too. At this point, though, I'm wonder how many people would call 911 if they saw a child resembling Caylee. I think most people believe LE officials when they say she is dead. That makes me think a lot of people would ultimately decide it couldn't possibly be Caylee and move on if they did see a child that resembles her.

I don't think most people all of sudden believe Caylee is deceased because LE officials say so. I think that most people have analyzed the evidence for themselves and came to that conclusion a while ago. Just because the police say so, doesn't mean a thing in my book. I think most people came to that conclusion on their own.

[Gatordog]

LOL! No problem! I'm a fast reader myself!

To be honest, I assumed LE officials would tell Cindy and George about all the evidence they found, but then I read something, somewhere today that made it seem like that may not be the case. Some of the evidence, it seems, may be held quiet until the trial. I keep thinking that may be when Cindy and George will finally be forced to face the truth.

They won't face the truth until their daughter tells them the truth. They need the truth from her or a body. I don't think they will ever have a body. I feel for them. George and Cindy were on Channel 13 Brighthouse news yesterday. For the first time George did all the talking. Cindy looked worse than I've ever seen her. The strain is really telling on her now. She looked totally out of it. She has got to be the saddest preson on earth right now. The truth will send her over the edge. :(

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks to everyone for all the updates today!

RE: That pic of the Caylee lookalike. I swear, if someone took a snappy of my child and then I found out it was handed out, passed around, broadcast, etc., I would break some heads. The Live Caylee Search has the potential to be exploitative of all the three year olds who aren't her.

And that mitochondrial DNA doesn't just indicate that the decomposition comes from a relative of Cindy/Casey/Caylee, but probably from a child. Just how many children have gone missing that are relatives could possibly have ended up in the trunk of that car?

And honestly, it flies in the face of science for G&C to deny the forensics in this case. I don't see a jury being as backwards thinking as they are (in public) about the findings in this case.


Loretta, ITA. Everyone in Central Florida with a cute little brown haired girl needs to be careful in public. I can only imagine some warped do-gooder thinking it's Caylee and taking that child when the parent's eyes are off her for one minute. They need to bring this to a close. Someone is going to get hurt.

[Gatordog]

The tow yard manager verified it was originally in the trunk or I would not even believe it was ever there. The maggots were on that bag which led me to believe when it was sent off for testing , maybe they tested the maggots to see if they could get dna off it for what it was feeding on. I mean I was hopeful about that because it is possible. However, I do not see any documents that reveal that. Early on, when the mitrochrondial and air tests came back , Leonard Padilla and a reporter both said , that LE was holding back some forensic evidence that would not be publicly released. I have not heard another word about it but I still wonder, was that a rumour or is the prosecution keeping one little piece up their sleeve? I also believe Casey purposely left the pizza in the trunk thinking now everyone will think the pizza caused the smell. It is also why she had the laundry smelly sheets back there, too. I know those dryer sheets which George told the police were there and not detergent are pungent and she probably hoped mistakenly that would take care of the odor.

I agree with everything but I don't think she left the pizza there to cause the smell. If anything, I'd have thrown the frozen chicken in there - that would have caused a nasty stink in two days or I'd have bought some cheap beef and left it in the trunk. Raw meat would have really caused doubt.

[Gatordog]

Ahhh thank you - I was searching for the right words earlier about Baez hiring Henry Lee etc... and how I think he did that to place reasonable doubt in peoples minds - I believe his attempt to do that will only backfire though considering Lee's questionable background.


Regarding Lee Anthony - did you notice on NG tonight George said something about Lee was working in the background which I assume he meant Caylee's disappearance and Cindy cut him off and said he's been traveling because of work?

Message for George - you need to grow a set of you know what and stop letting Cindy walk all over you. :rolleyes: Sheeesh! :punch:

I think it was "downtown" not background. Meaning downtown Orlando because he lost two months worth of income was how George described it.

[Gatordog]

I apologize for posting the picture of this innocent young girl - but you have to admit she's a stricking resemblance of Caylee. I got my magnifying glass out early on and the nose isn't the same. Besides that, with all thats happened today regarding LE saying they've stopped looking for a live Caylee and the evidence proved weeks ago she's no longer alive - I give very little credence to these sightings. I just post the news as it becomes available.

'I can ask admin to remove the picture if you don't think it should be posted here. As a parent I'd be mortified if my daughters pic was being plastered all over the news and internet. I picked up the pic from News 13 who has it posted on their site. Let me know if you think it should be removed. Thanks:rose:

O2S, I don't think it matters, it's been all over the tv news here. Also, if I was the person taking the pictures, I'd have taken a picture of who the girl was with - that would have been more important in finding her.

[deacon]

O2S, I don't think it matters, it's been all over the tv news here. Also, if I was the person taking the pictures, I'd have taken a picture of who the girl was with - that would have been more important in finding her.

Ya think? Ha Ha. Just a joke. I didn't notice that but no adult was in the picture at all. Go figure, if they actually took a picture of Caylee they still would be no closer to finding her. They wouldn't know who she was with.

[Gatordog]

No they have not released that. However, it could be that there was no result so therefore they did not release it. Or it could be the something they are supposedly holding back. Even with the liberal public documents laws in Florida police and the DA are allowed to hold something back. so.... who knows. It was in the very first batch of documents that they released where I saw the report where they mentioned the bag and its contents. I am sure they have results back, but not sure what if anything they found.

Regarding Florida law, I spent time this Sunday with my future niece-in-law, the Assistant State Attorney (we don't call them DA's in FL) and I asked her about FL law an the filing of documents. She was also quite surprised in all the documents released. She said she was unaware of any law of having to file evidence, she said you have to turn it over the the defense, but releasing it first to the public was new to her.:shrug:

[Gatordog]

:eek: Say what? :confused: She had drier sheets in her trunk? I'd heard about laundry detergent but not the drier sheets? :shrug:


:biggrin: Sorry I couldn't resist adding a bit more humor to this sad fiasco...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3KxC9PhYx0&feature=related
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ivxrm1.jpg

That's one tough gang of squirrels. I could see them hot wiring a car and taking it for a joyride. Maybe they had a rumble in the trunk and that's how they died. :tongue:

[deacon]

Regarding Florida law, I spent time this Sunday with my future niece-in-law, the Assistant State Attorney (we don't call them DA's in FL) and I asked her about FL law an the filing of documents. She was also quite surprised in all the documents released. She said she was unaware of any law of having to file evidence, she said you have to turn it over the the defense, but releasing it first to the public was new to her.:shrug:

I was somewhat suprised by the amount of info that has been released too. Makes me thing they have a whole bunch left in their "hand" that we do not know about. It could also be what is tearing cindy down too. If the defence has some of the "in the hand" evidence it may prove Caylee is dead and cindy just can not take that.

[deacon]

That's one tough gang of squirrels. I could see them hot wiring a car and taking it for a joyride. Maybe they had a rumble in the trunk and that's how they died. :tongue:

Well, if casey called those squirrels then I know she has a problem. Those are chipmunks.:) Alvin and the chipmunks to be exact. I guess I just showed my age a bit. Loved those guys when I was a kid.

[deputydi]

Ya think? Ha Ha. Just a joke. I didn't notice that but no adult was in the picture at all. Go figure, if they actually took a picture of Caylee they still would be no closer to finding her. They wouldn't know who she was with.

Ah, but didn't the Anthonys say they KNEW who had Caylee? :rolleyes:

[deputydi]

No News Conference? :confused:

November 20, 2008

For Immediate Release
Contact Michelle Bart

Orlando, FL – “Due to recent developments and events this week, it has now become unnecessary to hold a press conference,” said Michelle Bart, spokesperson for the Anthony family.

“The search for Caylee Marie Anthony will continue and we are asking the public if you feel your previous tips were not addressed to please contact Caylee’s tipline at 1-888-231-5618, furthermore, the command center will continue to be open weekly Thursday – Monday from 10am-4pm in order for us to continue our outreach to the community in bringing home Caylee and many other children that are still missing,” said George Anthony. “We appreciate the time and energy that Mr. NeJame and his law firm has dedicated to representing us in the last several months. We respect Mr. NeJame’s decision to resign as our representative as we agree that he can no longer be of benefit to us in our quest to find our missing granddaughter Caylee Marie. We wish Mark and his staff all the best,” said George and Cindy Anthony.
For further information please continue to visit www.helpfindcaylee.com or www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing. ###
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43508113.pdf

What "recent developments" are they talking about? Has someone finally convinced them that Caylee is deceased? Mr NeJame, maybe?

[sharlock]

What "recent developments" are they talking about? Has someone finally convinced them that Caylee is deceased? Mr NeJame, maybe?
Perhaps or they might have found out that R. Grunde was releasing a bulletin to his freinds on myspace and then asking them to pass it on. It explains a lot imo. Written-19th of nov 2008

Good morning all!

I was wondering if anyone here was at the celebration for Caylee last week at Blanchard Park? If you were - do you remember seeing a young lady with a camera asking people questions on camera. She claimed she was doing an independent documentary.
Did anyone get a name or business card from her? If so, can you pass that information on to me?

The reason I ask is this - if you answered anything on camera she cannot use your footage for public release without a release from you to do so. Assuming she really was doing an independent documentary and not working for someone to get that footage. The next paragraph will explain that some more.


Secondly, we now know that the large gentlemen in the cowboy hat was not a "protester". He was a paid member of the Anthony Family defense team. He is a private investigator hired by Mark NeJame. His name is Dennis Mand he was there to disrupt the event and get information. He can be seen in a news report sitting on a sofa with NeJame, Tim Miller (what is someone like Tim Miller doing with this crew?!) and another unknown gentlemen. If I were to look for that stolen camera I would look toward him and his female associate that was holding the sign stating Caylee Is Alive. Those same two people were at the Equusearch sites both Sat. and Sun. I am not saying they did it but it's a natural place to start looking.


This strange case has become even more bizarre with these new players, including the founder of Kid Finders and his history, and I think it's time questions were asked and answers sought.


If you a friend of Caylee's please repost this bulletin to get the information out.


I have a feeling that Nejame might not have known the Anthony's did this and resigned soon after being made aware of it. I just can't believe that he could have personally been involved?:shrug:

[Brainstorm]

They won't face the truth until their daughter tells them the truth. They need the truth from her or a body. I don't think they will ever have a body. I feel for them. George and Cindy were on Channel 13 Brighthouse news yesterday. For the first time George did all the talking. Cindy looked worse than I've ever seen her. The strain is really telling on her now. She looked totally out of it. She has got to be the saddest preson on earth right now. The truth will send her over the edge. :(

Gator

Ah, but didn't the Anthonys say they KNEW who had Caylee? :rolleyes:

The command center is a tent.

Is anyone surprised that there will be no news conference? I hope no one was holding their breath.
Sad,really,but I agree, Cindy IS LOSING IT.

[One2Snoop]

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[One2Snoop]

Well, if casey called those squirrels then I know she has a problem. Those are chipmunks.:) Alvin and the chipmunks to be exact. I guess I just showed my age a bit. Loved those guys when I was a kid.

Can't a girl pretend? :punch: LOL. Hey, Alvin and his gang was the only thing close enough to squirrels that sings the song Junk In The Trunk. :tongue:

[deacon]

Can't a girl pretend? :punch: LOL. Hey, Alvin and his gang was the only thing close enough to squirrels that sings the song Junk In The Trunk. :tongue:

I sort of figured that was what it was. It was funny, by the way.:beer:

[deacon]

http://i36.tinypic.com/30cq6ns.jpg

What a motely looking crew. Do you notice where TM is looking. Take a good look at his face. Not too happy to me.

[lorettalockhorn]

I know that before you explained what was in the forensics that indicated it came from a child, but I have forgotten what that was, Can you explain that again because I know I found it interesting and maybe some newbies did not even realize it. Thanks

mu8, see page 23 of the reports:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

My interpretation was that since these compounds are not present, the inference could be made that the decomposition was from a corpse younger than age three.

[lorettalockhorn]

:eek: Say what? :confused: She had drier sheets in her trunk? I'd heard about laundry detergent but not the drier sheets? :shrug:


:biggrin: Sorry I couldn't resist adding a bit more humor to this sad fiasco...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3KxC9PhYx0&feature=related
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ivxrm1.jpg

You cannot help but notice that the head tree rat is wearing an Anthony sweatshirt. :hat:

[One2Snoop]

Is this Caylee? Anthonys release latest sighting photo
Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony released

Amy L. Edwards and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:52 AM EST, November 21, 2008
http://i37.tinypic.com/icsc4h.jpg

:eek:
George Anthony admits losing money to email scam
11:52 a.m. During an interview with the FBI earlier this summer, George Anthony admitted that he'd lost the family's money in an e-mail scam - something he hadn't divulged to his wife.

He told an agent he received an email that said there was $2.2 million in a foreign bank account waiting for him.

""I got involved in that..I should have known better. It was stupid," he said. "I got scammed."

Anthony was unemployed at the time, after suffering a knee injury and thought the money in the e-mail was the real deal.

"I did lie to my wife about that," Anthony said, adding that he maxed out their Mastercard and blamed it on gambling.

It's unknown how much money he lost or if it was ever recovered.

Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony to be released
The Orlando Sentinel is in the process of obtaining videotaped interviews that are part of the state's first-degree murder case against Casey Anthony.

The law-enforcement interviews -- which will be on five DVDs -- are of Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony.

The State Attorney's Office is releasing the videos in response to a public records request made by the Sentinel.

Meanwhile, the Anthony family sent out a press release this morning regarding a possible live sighting of the missing child.

Someone snapped a photo of a little girl with brown hair playing at a mall in west Florida and sent it to the Anthonys. There is no evidence to suggest that the child in the photo is Caylee.

Investigators with the Orange County Sheriff's Office are no longer looking into tips regarding a live child. Detectives do not believe the child is alive, sheriff's spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-video-interviews-george-cindy-anthony-112108,0,371314.story

[deacon]

mu8, see page 23 of the reports:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-documents-102408,0,5346622.htmlpage

My interpretation was that since these compounds are not present, the inference could be made that the decomposition was from a corpse younger than age three.

That was on NG last night. I can't remember who said it but they said that the reason the total number of compounds were not found was because of her age. Don't know what that is all about but that was what was said.

[deacon]

Is this Caylee? Anthonys release latest sighting photo
Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony released

Amy L. Edwards and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:52 AM EST, November 21, 2008


:eek:
George Anthony admits losing money to email scam
11:52 a.m. During an interview with the FBI earlier this summer, George Anthony admitted that he'd lost the family's money in an e-mail scam - something he hadn't divulged to his wife.

He told an agent he received an email that said there was $2.2 million in a foreign bank account waiting for him.

""I got involved in that..I should have known better. It was stupid," he said. "I got scammed."

Anthony was unemployed at the time, after suffering a knee injury and thought the money in the e-mail was the real deal.

"I did lie to my wife about that," Anthony said, adding that he maxed out their Mastercard and blamed it on gambling.

It's unknown how much money he lost or if it was ever recovered.

Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony to be released
The Orlando Sentinel is in the process of obtaining videotaped interviews that are part of the state's first-degree murder case against Casey Anthony.

The law-enforcement interviews -- which will be on five DVDs -- are of Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony.

The State Attorney's Office is releasing the videos in response to a public records request made by the Sentinel.

Meanwhile, the Anthony family sent out a press release this morning regarding a possible live sighting of the missing child.

Someone snapped a photo of a little girl with brown hair playing at a mall in west Florida and sent it to the Anthonys. There is no evidence to suggest that the child in the photo is Caylee.

Investigators with the Orange County Sheriff's Office are no longer looking into tips regarding a live child. Detectives do not believe the child is alive, sheriff's spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-video-interviews-george-cindy-anthony-112108,0,371314.story

The heck with the book. This would make a great soap opera. I mean, this story line could go on for years. The dead squirrels could come back to life or better yet, come back as ghosts and haunt casey in her jail cell. Any number of people could be given as the father and cindy could drive all of them mad:rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

The heck with the book. This would make a great soap opera. I mean, this story line could go on for years. The dead squirrels could come back to life or better yet, come back as ghosts and haunt casey in her jail cell. Any number of people could be given as the father and cindy could drive all of them mad:rolleyes:

LOL I was just thinking the same thing about this being good material for a soap opera -

[One2Snoop]

Video Interviews With Cindy, George Anthony Released
Friday, November 21, 2008 12:55:30 PM

ORLANDO -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office has released hours of new interviews with the parents of Casey Anthony.

In the interviews from July 30 and 31, George Anthony appeared to be blindsided by everything that was happening. The interviews took place just a couple of weeks after Caylee Anthony was reported missing and Casey was taken into custody.

In the video, George Anthony seems to be finding out things about his daughter that he didn't know or hadn't seen before, including pictures, Casey's MySpace page and items on Cindy Anthony's computer.

He also appeared to be surprised at the lengths Casey was going to in order to ensure that other people would not see the pictures.

"I know my daughter deleted a lot of stuff off the computer. I don't know when she did it. I just know that things we used to have on there, shared photos and stuff of our granddaughter or even activity of hers, are just not here, but stuff is still saved on that computer, I understand all that," George said.

A brief look at the interviews with Cindy Anthony showed a much different person. Cindy defended her daughter, saying Casey would do anything to protect her daughter if she feels she is in danger. Cindy said that when she asked Casey why she wasn't talking to the police, Casey insinuated that their lives may be in danger if she said anything to police about where Caylee was.

The State Attorney's Office has not commented on the videos because they do not want a change of venue in the case.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/21/anthonys_think_caylee_spotted_in_orlando.html

[Justice Denied?]

No News Conference? :confused:

November 20, 2008

For Immediate Release
Contact Michelle Bart

Orlando, FL – “Due to recent developments and events this week, it has now become unnecessary to hold a press conference,” said Michelle Bart, spokesperson for the Anthony family.

“The search for Caylee Marie Anthony will continue and we are asking the public if you feel your previous tips were not addressed to please contact Caylee’s tipline at 1-888-231-5618, furthermore, the command center will continue to be open weekly Thursday – Monday from 10am-4pm in order for us to continue our outreach to the community in bringing home Caylee and many other children that are still missing,” said George Anthony. “We appreciate the time and energy that Mr. NeJame and his law firm has dedicated to representing us in the last several months. We respect Mr. NeJame’s decision to resign as our representative as we agree that he can no longer be of benefit to us in our quest to find our missing granddaughter Caylee Marie. We wish Mark and his staff all the best,” said George and Cindy Anthony.
For further information please continue to visit www.helpfindcaylee.com or www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing. ###
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43508113.pdf

Talk about a newer, gentler, kinder image. What a change from the treatment Padilla and Miller got. Who are they trying to kid?

[Justice Denied?]

Thanks ladies! :rose:

I'm still reading through some stuff, but from what I gather from the various news reports, there wasn't any pizza in the trunk, only an empty box. There were supposedly maggots on/in the bag they found in the trunk, yet there was none on the pizza in the "control" test they did in Tennessee. No wonder Casey's butt is in jail. Something else had to be in that car.

Have they released the forensic reports on the bag yet?

I haven't head any reports. You do realize the defense will claim the maggots came from the trash can the tow yard manager threw the white bag into and not from anything in the trunk? Maggots in the trunk never happened.

[deacon]

LOL I was just thinking the same thing about this being good material for a soap opera -

Given the material about the scam, we could even weave a torture/murder theme when cindy finds out that georgie got caught up in a scam. I think now I know why he isn't a cop anymore.:eek::rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

Perhaps or they might have found out that R. Grunde was releasing a bulletin to his freinds on myspace and then asking them to pass it on. It explains a lot imo. Written-19th of nov 2008


I have a feeling that Nejame might not have known the Anthony's did this and resigned soon after being made aware of it. I just can't believe that he could have personally been involved?:shrug:

What stolen camera? Did I miss something?

[Gatordog]

Well said. Not only do juries like being given a motive, I think it's going to be real important here. Without a body to prove definitively that Caylee is dead and no autopsy to prove how she died, the pros is going to have to give this jury a reason why Casey wanted her child out of the way.

Yesterday I was listening to one of the taped interviews with Tony. I don't think it was transcribed. He said that when he was in NY, he and his roommate were joking around and told Casey that he wasn't going to return to Florida. She started to cry. He said really cry. Seems to me that if she got rid of Caylee in order to be with Tony and then Tony was no longer in the picture, she might have cried because she lost him and killed Caylee for him. Of course, she was crying for her loss, not because Caylee was dead.

[deacon]

What stolen camera? Did I miss something?

I was wondering that too but I just thought I had missed something.:shrug:

[Justice Denied?]

According to George's interview he called them dryer sheets. Also on your squirrels, we both had the number three in mind eh? See my thread the real culprits. LOL :beer: In fact if you look at the noses they are the same three squirrels . ROTFLMBAO

Snoop and Shark,

There you go again, accusing someone falsely for something they didn't do. (LOL) The so called "squirrels" in you picture are actually chipmucks. .The one with the A on his shirt is Alvin and the other two are his brothers. Last name also chipmunk.

Now, while I fully believe Kaylee was seen at a mall in Orlando and that Squirrels borrowed the car, you got the wrong squirrels.

[Gatordog]

What "recent developments" are they talking about? Has someone finally convinced them that Caylee is deceased? Mr NeJame, maybe?

They are cancelling a press conference which was never scheduled. Didn't we all know this was never going to take place? :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

Well, if casey called those squirrels then I know she has a problem. Those are chipmunks.:) Alvin and the chipmunks to be exact. I guess I just showed my age a bit. Loved those guys when I was a kid.

Hey - those are Florida squirrels. :hat: AAAAlviiiiin

[Gatordog]

http://i36.tinypic.com/30cq6ns.jpg

This guy looks like a joke - Buffalo Bill. And Nejame had the nerve to call Padilla "PT Barnum". This is a sorry looking motley crew. I have to be on the lookout for Buffalo Bill. I am sure I wouldn't miss him in a crowd of 1,000 people. :D

[Gatordog]

http://i36.tinypic.com/30cq6ns.jpg

Better yet - IT'S THE VILLAGE PEOPLE! Everybody - Y M C A.

[wind149]

Maggots as a rule do not eat 12 day old pizza, I am not saying it does not happen, but I can tell you this much, they do love decomposing flesh and I hope they saved them. maybe they can tell by the, how long they had been there, how many were in what stage of development into flies. I have been sick last couple of days so I have not been on here, but I watched NG and that Cindy is really getting on my last nerve! Gonna have a press conference to announce the latest Caylee sighting?? If this was legit, don't you think somebody would have hauled ass to where ever??? Would they have not gone themselves? They seem to think LE is not doing enough now too, they think because LE is not hauling ass to Toad Suck KY, that they are not doing their job and I will tell you that they have done all they can up to this point. They can't be jetting off to investigate Cindy's latest whim, they are in a recovery stage, trying to find the remains and until they do, I don't know what these morons expect them to do, they need to beat it out of their daughter, that is who they need to target their frustrations and anger on, whoops just heard on CNN that they canned their lawyer, wanna bet he said the wrong words too? Your granddaughter is dead folks"

And boom! Cindy cans him and he should be relieved that he is no longer involved with this loser family. Last night Cindy was humming about buying Xmas presents for Caylee and I am like, OMG! If they do recover this child, she will go off the deep end even harder ,she has to be made somehow that these Caylee sightings will be all false, that her daughter murdered her. One other thing I gleaned from NG the other night .Text messages to friends moaning about how she can't go crotch dancing because she has Mommy duty, and I am like, well if a woman that claimed another woman was her Nanny, would she not have her watch C that night or the next night? Because this woman never existed and she was pissed off that she had to miss parties because of her child and if there was ever a reason to get rid of your kid and then Cindy comes on blathering away to a reporter and showing off the Anthony home like it was the White House, that CA was a good mother and the night she got bailed out, she would not sleep in her room with all the C's pictures in it and slept with her mother, could not stand to look at the kid in guilt or trying to establish some empathy moments? My money is on the empathy, because I think she drove around for weeks with the body in her trunk, trying to find a place to put it and if she did put the body in alligator infested waters, she might never be recovered, what ya got do? Rip open every FL alligator?

But they don't need the body. do I think C&G are gonna be on food stamps in the coming months, lawyer bills are gonna eat up all their money ,and all they have to do is get that scumbag daughter of theirs to come clean and instead of running off at the mouth blaming everyone for not doing their jobs, hell Tim Miller has spent thousands and they are not even grateful because he told them it was going to be a recovery and they don't want to hear that, LP has used up much of his own money and they are pissed off at him too and LE, they molly coddle that loser *****, they won't see that SHE is the MURDERER of little Caylee and until the body is recovered they are just going to keep the spin of I saw Caylee at Wal-mart in Beer Fart OK!

[Gatordog]

I haven't head any reports. You do realize the defense will claim the maggots came from the trash can the tow yard manager threw the white bag into and not from anything in the trunk? Maggots in the trunk never happened.

Both George and the tow truck attendant saw the bag and the maggots. The tow truck guy has nothing to hide so I would believe him if I were a juror.

[One2Snoop]

What stolen camera? Did I miss something?


Let me see if I can find a coherent story about the missing camera - the insanity surrounding this case is unreal...

ETA: It happened on the day the divers were at JBP - the camera belonged to one of (TES?)searchers.

[One2Snoop]

better yet - it's the village people! Everybody - y m c a.

roflmao!

[Gatordog]

Snoop and Shark,

There you go again, accusing someone falsely for something they didn't do. (LOL) The so called "squirrels" in you picture are actually chipmucks. .The one with the A on his shirt is Alvin and the other two are his brothers. Last name also chipmunk.

Now, while I fully believe Kaylee was seen at a mall in Orlando and that Squirrels borrowed the car, you got the wrong squirrels.

Alvin, Simon and Theodore Seville. They lived with Dave. Now we can track and interrogate them.

[deacon]

Alvin, Simon and Theodore Seville. They lived with Dave. Now we can track and interrogate them.

Those sorry chipmonk/squirrels are the one who did the kidnaping. I can hear it coming now. The hat Alvin is wearing looks just like the hat the woman with the bag had on and Theodore just had to be the well dressed guy with the fishing pole and cell phone.

I ain't gettin nothin for Christmas, cause I ain't being nothin but bad.

[browneyes106]

Is this Caylee? Anthonys release latest sighting photo
Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony released

Amy L. Edwards and Bianca Prieto | Sentinel Staff Writers
11:52 AM EST, November 21, 2008
http://i37.tinypic.com/icsc4h.jpg

:eek:
George Anthony admits losing money to email scam
11:52 a.m. During an interview with the FBI earlier this summer, George Anthony admitted that he'd lost the family's money in an e-mail scam - something he hadn't divulged to his wife.

He told an agent he received an email that said there was $2.2 million in a foreign bank account waiting for him.

""I got involved in that..I should have known better. It was stupid," he said. "I got scammed."

Anthony was unemployed at the time, after suffering a knee injury and thought the money in the e-mail was the real deal.

"I did lie to my wife about that," Anthony said, adding that he maxed out their Mastercard and blamed it on gambling.

It's unknown how much money he lost or if it was ever recovered.

Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony to be released
The Orlando Sentinel is in the process of obtaining videotaped interviews that are part of the state's first-degree murder case against Casey Anthony.

The law-enforcement interviews -- which will be on five DVDs -- are of Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony.

The State Attorney's Office is releasing the videos in response to a public records request made by the Sentinel.

Meanwhile, the Anthony family sent out a press release this morning regarding a possible live sighting of the missing child.

Someone snapped a photo of a little girl with brown hair playing at a mall in west Florida and sent it to the Anthonys. There is no evidence to suggest that the child in the photo is Caylee.

Investigators with the Orange County Sheriff's Office are no longer looking into tips regarding a live child. Detectives do not believe the child is alive, sheriff's spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-video-interviews-george-cindy-anthony-112108,0,371314.story

I sort of laughed when the read the part that mentioned George falling for the email scam. About 10 years those types of the scams started and they still go on today. Also Cindy brother said in his online posts that George lost a lot of money on online gambling. Looking at the photo of the girl. The picture doesn't seem to have a good quality. I honestly think the person is just messing with the Anthonys.

[Justice Denied?]

The heck with the book. This would make a great soap opera. I mean, this story line could go on for years. The dead squirrels could come back to life or better yet, come back as ghosts and haunt casey in her jail cell. Any number of people could be given as the father and cindy could drive all of them mad:rolleyes:

Deacon,

Great idea! And you can go to CA and be a screen writer. just remembr us little guys when you are rich and famous.

[One2Snoop]

Good morning all!

I was wondering if anyone here was at the celebration for Caylee last week at Blanchard Park? If you were - do you remember seeing a young lady with a camera asking people questions on camera. She claimed she was doing an independent documentary.
Did anyone get a name or business card from her? If so, can you pass that information on to me?

The reason I ask is this - if you answered anything on camera she cannot use your footage for public release without a release from you to do so. Assuming she really was doing an independent documentary and not working for someone to get that footage. The next paragraph will explain that some more.


Secondly, we now know that the large gentlemen in the cowboy hat was not a "protester". He was a paid member of the Anthony Family defense team. He is a private investigator hired by Mark NeJame. His name is Dennis Mand he was there to disrupt the event and get information. He can be seen in a news report sitting on a sofa with NeJame, Tim Miller (what is someone like Tim Miller doing with this crew?!) and another unknown gentlemen. If I were to look for that stolen camera I would look toward him and his female associate that was holding the sign stating Caylee Is Alive. Those same two people were at the Equusearch sites both Sat. and Sun. I am not saying they did it but it's a natural place to start looking.


This strange case has become even more bizarre with these new players, including the founder of Kid Finders and his history, and I think it's time questions were asked and answers sought.


If you a friend of Caylee's please repost this bulletin to get the information out.

What stolen camera? Did I miss something?

I believe these are the pics Jessie is talking about above....

Cindy Anthony's spy....
http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/11/cindy-anthonys-spy-at-blanchard-park.html

Lady holding the sign...
http://ladyontheplaza.blogspot.com/2008/11/caylee-anthony-memorial-at-jay.html

[deacon]

Deacon,

Great idea! And you can go to CA and be a screen writer. just remembr us little guys when you are rich and famous.

"As My Stomach Turns" Shoot, I was going to continue reading here for ideas. We can ALL become screen writers.:beer:

[Justice Denied?]

Both George and the tow truck attendant saw the bag and the maggots. The tow truck guy has nothing to hide so I would believe him if I were a juror.

I would, too, but the defense has to say something for reasonable doubt. Heah, you want me to believe squirrels (excuse me) chimpmunks drove the car. One is as true as the other.:D

[Justice Denied?]

Alvin, Simon and Theodore Seville. They lived with Dave. Now we can track and interrogate them.

But they are innocent I'm telling you, innocent. You are just predjudist against chipmunks, calling them awful names like squirrel. You know the reak culprits are dead. They crawled up in the car and died. Innocent I'm telling you, INNOCENT!:D

[Justice Denied?]

Wow i am surprised a former cop would not be aware of those internet scams. Gawd he is sure going to get the wrath of Cindy yet again. Does anyone in that family tell the truth about anything :rolleyes:

Maybe I am too skeptical, but I seriosly doubt George lost money in an internet scam. The question would b what did he really do with the money?

[deputydi]

Maybe I am too skeptical, but I seriosly doubt George lost money in an internet scam. The question would b what did he really do with the money?
I'm so glad you said it first. I was beginning to think this case had made me unbelievably jaded.

He is a retired COP for cryin' out loud! Now that doesn't mean he can't be stupid, but he, of all people, should know about internet scams.

[Gatordog]

:flamemad: Just when I thought I couldn't hear anything else that could make me sick...George says that Casey stole for years, even from Caylee's piggy bank.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18033504/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Anthony defense witness list released

Last Edited: Friday, 21 Nov 2008, 10:53 AM EST
Created: Friday, 21 Nov 2008, 10:52 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, the lawyer representing Casey Anthony, released his witness list Friday for her January murder trial.

The list is very short compared to the state’s list of 82 witnesses. Baez lists three witnesses who are all considered experts in their field of work.

Larry E. Daniel from Guardian Digital Forensics in Raleigh, North Carolina

Dr. Larry Kobilinsky from John Jay College of Criminal Justice, New York City

Dr. Henry Lee from the University of New Haven, Connecticut

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7917973&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

At about the 2 minute mark in this video George describes the smell in the car. :eek: It took his breath away...

http://www.wftv.com/video/18032897/index.html

He knows Caylee is no longer alive.

[One2Snoop]

:flamemad: Just when I thought I couldn't hear anything else that could make me sick...George says that Casey stole for years, even from Caylee's piggy bank.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18033504/index.html

Despicable! :cuss:

[One2Snoop]

This is a July 30 interview of Cindy Anthony conducted by the FBI -- (11/21/08)

Part One
http://www.wftv.com/video/18032897/index.html

Part Two
http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html

2 more parts coming.

[wind149]

Car and insurance were in George's name so I assume he was paying for that too and to hear she stole from her own daughter's piggie bank just speaks more volume about this loser, I mean what parent does that? One time my friend was short on cash and she borrowed a few bucks from my god-son's bank but he knew about it and she paid him back and ain't nothing wrong with that. I think they paid for everything, in the beginning I remember Cindy blathering about hard it was for CA to keep a job, yeah, would rather party the night away than support her child, oh at 22 I was a party queen but I also was married, and guess what? I kept a job, you need a job to live and not once have I ever borrowed money off my adoptive parents, I made it through life until I got sick on my own merits, sometimes working two-three jobs at a time and I was not afraid of work and did some pretty crummy jobs like concrete work and this loser would be afraid she might break her $99 nail job.

I worked at a grayhound park at least 18 hours a day, 7 days a week for about two years till I just burned right out and then worked at a grocery shipping warehouse for about three years and then I went to work at the restaurant that I would work for 15 years till I joined the sheriff's dept and I worked hard until 2001 when I was diagnosed and even when I moved out here, I worked at Damon's till my body just completely started shutting down, this is why I was not on for few days, I had a bad attack and had been bed ridden since Sunday and there is nothing I can take for this, just ride it out. I feel like I have a kick ass flu, I break out in a nasty rash, and I have a bad headache for about two days and while my meds take care of that, the flu feeling is hard to shake. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for people like this loser, thinks the world owes her a living and she should in her own opinion, not have to work, her parents in this case enabled her and I have seen that happen way too many times.

:mad: I had a landlord in NH that allowed his 22 year old son who made really good money live at home without paying a dime of anything. He probably would not have had to rent out my apt or a room if his deadbeat son would have helped him and this kid had it made. Not only did Daddy let him fly, Mommy who was divorced from Daddy would actually do the grocery shopping for both of them, (Bob suffers from agoraphobia) and then do the kid's laundry!!!! At Xmas she would go nuts buying this brat everything, the presents would be down the cellar steps, he never had to buy any new clothes, she also paid his car insurance!!! All he had to do was party down with his *****y girlfriend who I had no use for, and buy more toys like 4-wheelers, he bought a Ford truck and two months later sold it to me because he wanted a brand new one and Mommy obliged!! They had an older daughter, but surprisingly enough, she supported herself as a forest ranger and did not want any help from her parents and she is a nice girl unlike the son. I asked Bob once why he did not charge him rent and his response was "I can't ask him to help me, he needs his money" and I am like for what? Once, I actually bought Bob his insulin and I did not mind doing it as we got along well, and I told that tool son that he did not have to BOTHER picking up the insulin because I had already BOUGHT IT and he just shrugged and closed his bedroom door so I think parents nowadays do too much for their adult children. What kind of message are they sending them? I would not even bet the farm that sonny is still living there, why buy milk when you can get the cow for free? This generation has no decency, no work ethic, are computer savvy and that is about it and in some cases the parents are to blame. Maybe if C&G had kicked CA out of the house and had taken custody of Caylee, she would be alive today, no, instead they enabled her in every way and look how she was talking to them during those jail talks, if I had said half the words she did, my father would have slapped me up side my head! Well NG is coming on, stay tuned to Cindy's latest rant, PUKED!

[lorettalockhorn]

:flamemad: Just when I thought I couldn't hear anything else that could make me sick...George says that Casey stole for years, even from Caylee's piggy bank.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18033504/index.html

Slucking fut.

[One2Snoop]

This is a July 30 interview of Cindy Anthony conducted by the FBI -- (11/21/08)

Part One
http://www.wftv.com/video/18032897/index.html

Part Two
http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html

2 more parts coming.

Part 3
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036013/index.html

Part 4
http://www.wftv.com/video/18036192/index.html

[sharlock]

Someone asked earlier about what camera was stolen but I can't give any details because I don't know; I presumed that it was something he had writte about eaqrlier and must ahve happened to one of the searchers but I don't personally have access to all of this guys bulletins; justt this one because he asked it to be passed on.
I believe that George told the truth about the internet scam, he has a lot of respect for law enforcement and when he talks to them he seems to change mode and be able to discuss things he couldn't around his family. I think he knew that they would look into the debt so he told them the truth because he didn't want them to think he was a liar.

[mu8shark]

Those two factors scream "on purpose to me. MOO For the longest time I thought it was not on purpose just she chloroformed her to get her out of the way for the nite and overdid it. However know what changed my mind, a third factor, Casey was looking on missing childrens sites before Caylee disappeared. To me she was looking for a good way to lose her child permanently, know what I mean? You put that with the chloroform search, the attitude of oh bother with this child and looking on missing childrens sites, bad things man. Also I apologize to you all males and ladies tell your men I was a female chaunvanist LOL on those dryer sheets. .:tongue:

[mu8shark]

Both George and the tow truck attendant saw the bag and the maggots. The tow truck guy has nothing to hide so I would believe him if I were a juror. I completely agree, The tow yard guy as no ax to grind and no reason to agree with George, the maggots were in the car before trash was tossed.

[One2Snoop]

Someone asked earlier about what camera was stolen but I can't give any details because I don't know; I presumed that it was something he had writte about eaqrlier and must ahve happened to one of the searchers but I don't personally have access to all of this guys bulletins; justt this one because he asked it to be passed on.
I believe that George told the truth about the internet scam, he has a lot of respect for law enforcement and when he talks to them he seems to change mode and be able to discuss things he couldn't around his family. I think he knew that they would look into the debt so he told them the truth because he didn't want them to think he was a liar.

I read about the stolen camera also but I don't remember what site I was on. It did happen to one of the searchers at JBPark I believe the day they held the prayer vigil for Caylee. I'm still looking. I posted pics a page or two back of the woman Jessie thought should be questioned about it.

[sharlock]

In the IM conversation she had with that cop that was fired she asks him out of nowhere if he speaks Spanish (to which he said no) and then low and behold her tattoo is in Spanish. Seems like she was planning that tattoo back in May too.

[mu8shark]

Regarding Florida law, I spent time this Sunday with my future niece-in-law, the Assistant State Attorney (we don't call them DA's in FL) and I asked her about FL law an the filing of documents. She was also quite surprised in all the documents released. She said she was unaware of any law of having to file evidence, she said you have to turn it over the the defense, but releasing it first to the public was new to her.:shrug: I am so glad you ask someone who really would be in the know about this. I keep hearing the media and defense lawyers talk about the law in Florida and I keep thinking but jeez how counterproductive to an investigation is this law, when you have to release every single detail like this. I have never heard of any state that requires this but I heard one of the lawyers on NG or the reporters mention it. I now think perhaps LE overdid it and think it was something strategic on the part of LE and I am not sure it is good strategy. It does give me hope though that there are some more secrets. Thanks so much for asking about that and posting this post Gator. I just could not quite get over these laws they kept talking about. Maybe LE is trying to get to a potential jury. They ought to wait until trial for some of this stuff, really.

[mu8shark]

That was on NG last night. I can't remember who said it but they said that the reason the total number of compounds were not found was because of her age. Don't know what that is all about but that was what was said.Thanks Loretta and Deacon, I could not remember what the details were but knew it had been pointed out on this board before.

[mu8shark]

You know what blew my mind tonight was George asking Caylee if she and Zanny had a good day and Caylee not knowing what he was even talking about. If this is a child who is intelligent enough at that age to talk about other people and from that tape of her singing, it appears she probably is, then that is telling. I do not know how it will come into court . Generally a child who was with the babysitter as much as Casey said she was and went to really fun places like the park, beach and Disney World would talk about stuff she and Zanny did. I mean kids don't retain that for the rest of their lives but they have a short term memory and would mention it. It makes me wonder if George suspected there was no Zanny and was pumping Caylee for info. Also I wonder about what LP said about Xanax. You know in one of the interviews with Amy she says Caylee slept through incredible noise and action and I just wonder about that. Could it be Casey had trouble getting her hands on more Xanax?

[One2Snoop]

Read the last part of this article - Bizarre! But then again what isn't in this case?

Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony released

Amy L. Edwards, Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
7:05 PM EST, November 21, 2008

Casey took money out of Caylee's piggy bank, George Anthony tells investigators
7:05 p.m. George Anthony told investigators Casey stole money from of his wife's purse and took money out of her bank account. Casey even took money out of Caylee's piggy bank and savings account, he said.

Anthony said he had a feeling the last few years that Casey wasn't working as an event planner at Universal Studios, where she told everyone she worked. Even though the Anthonys provided for Casey and Caylee, Casey was always borrowing or stealing money.

Anthony said his daughter's stories weren't adding up, especially when he found out she stole his gas cans in June.

FBI Special Agent Scott Bolin asked Anthony what held him back if his instincts were telling him something was awry.

"My wife telling me to calm down, you're not a detective anymore," Anthony replied.

Anthony said Caylee never mentioned her supposed nanny named Zenaida -- or Zanny -- with whom Casey said she left the toddler with. He said Caylee didn't recognize the name Zanny when they asked her how her day was. Nor did she recognize other names of people she was supposedly spending time with.

Cindy Anthony tells investigators about her relationship with her daughter and frustration with law enforcement.
6:57 p.m. Cindy Anthony talked about her frustration with law enforcement officials not following up on tips. FBI agents reassured her that information is being followed up on by authorities. "I hope they are doing everything the can," she said.

At some point, authorities ask her to fill out a questionnaire about Casey Anthony.

"We are trying to figure out all the personalities. Since we can't physically talk to her, we have to rely on all the people who know her to get to know her ourselves," the agent tells her in the video.

The agent asked Cindy Anthony to describe Casey Anthony's relationship with her.

"Casey and I are like best friends," Cindy Anthony said. "We are a lot of alike….She is very artistic like me. She likes to read and likes to write."

Cindy Anthony said her daughter's relationship with her father had become strained since the couple separated a few years ago.

Casey Anthony's relationship with her brother is normal and a "love/hate thing," the mother said. But the two were very loyal.

Cindy Anthony spent hours giving agents her take on things - including possible clues her daughter may be eluding to in jail visits - and walking them through a timeline of Casey's possible whereabouts in June and July.

Casey told family the kidnapper was 'teaching her a lesson'
1:55 p.m. Cindy Anthony told FBI agents on Aug. 7 that Casey revealed to her brother, Lee, that the person who possibly took Caylee was "teaching her a lesson."

"Lee has more information on why Zannie would double crossed her," Cindy Anthony said. It's unclear what kind of lesson or why.

At some point, Casey gave her family her password for the home computer. She changed the password to "timer55."

"We have no clue what 'timer55' is," Cindy Anthony said.

She went on to say that Casey told Lee that "timer55" meant she had 55 days to be taught that lesson. It's 55 days from June 14 to August 9 - Caylee's birthday.

"We don't know if anything is going to change now because who knew police were going to be involved in this," Cindy Anthony said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-video-interviews-george-cindy-anthony-112108,0,371314.story

[One2Snoop]

You know what blew my mind tonight was George asking Caylee if she and Zanny had a good day and Caylee not knowing what he was even talking about. If this is a child who is intelligent enough at that age to talk about other people and from that tape of her singing, it appears she probably is, then that is telling. I do not know how it will come into court . Generally a child who was with the babysitter as much as Casey said she was and went to really fun places like the park, beach and Disney World would talk about stuff she and Zanny did. I mean kids don't retain that for the rest of their lives but they have a short term memory and would mention it. It makes me wonder if George suspected there was no Zanny and was pumping Caylee for info. Also I wonder about what LP said about Xanax. You know in one of the interviews with Amy she says Caylee slept through incredible noise and action and I just wonder about that. Could it be Casey had trouble getting her hands on more Xanax?

What's even more bizarre - George said Casey listed on her resume that she was a "nanny". Read article posted below.

[One2Snoop]

George Anthony In Interview: Casey Listed 'Nanny' As Job On Resume
Casey Anthony Jailed On Murder Charges

POSTED: 10:05 am EST November 21, 2008
UPDATED: 9:58 pm EST November 21, 2008

Casey Anthony, 22, is jailed on first-degree murder charges in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, who was last seen in mid-June.

Investigators on Friday released five DVDs of interviews conducted by authorities with Casey Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony.

"I found a resume that my daughter had typed all the way to 2006, and my daughter showed that she was employed, which I know she was from 2004 to 2006, either through Universal or Colorvision (or another company). That I can verify. I know that because we've met these people that she worked with -- or my wife has -- I've talked to them over the phone," George Anthony said in the August interview. "At 2006, she wrote down -- or typed out in her nice resume -- nanny."

Casey Anthony has said that she last left Caylee with a baby sitter named Zenaida Gonzalez at the Sawgrass Apartments in Orange County. Casey Anthony said when she returned to pick her daughter up, the pair was gone.

In the interview, George Anthony had doubts about his daughter's claim of employment, but the former Ohio sheriff's deputy was told by his wife that he was not a detective anymore and should calm down, Local 6 News reported.

http://www.local6.com/news/18031958/detail.html

[mu8shark]

Read the last part of this article - Bizarre! But then again what isn't in this case?

Videotaped interviews of George and Cindy Anthony released

Amy L. Edwards, Bianca Prieto and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
7:05 PM EST, November 21, 2008

Casey took money out of Caylee's piggy bank, George Anthony tells investigators
7:05 p.m. George Anthony told investigators Casey stole money from of his wife's purse and took money out of her bank account. Casey even took money out of Caylee's piggy bank and savings account, he said.

Anthony said he had a feeling the last few years that Casey wasn't working as an event planner at Universal Studios, where she told everyone she worked. Even though the Anthonys provided for Casey and Caylee, Casey was always borrowing or stealing money.

Anthony said his daughter's stories weren't adding up, especially when he found out she stole his gas cans in June.

FBI Special Agent Scott Bolin asked Anthony what held him back if his instincts were telling him something was awry.

"My wife telling me to calm down, you're not a detective anymore," Anthony replied.

Anthony said Caylee never mentioned her supposed nanny named Zenaida -- or Zanny -- with whom Casey said she left the toddler with. He said Caylee didn't recognize the name Zanny when they asked her how her day was. Nor did she recognize other names of people she was supposedly spending time with.

Cindy Anthony tells investigators about her relationship with her daughter and frustration with law enforcement.
6:57 p.m. Cindy Anthony talked about her frustration with law enforcement officials not following up on tips. FBI agents reassured her that information is being followed up on by authorities. "I hope they are doing everything the can," she said.

At some point, authorities ask her to fill out a questionnaire about Casey Anthony.

"We are trying to figure out all the personalities. Since we can't physically talk to her, we have to rely on all the people who know her to get to know her ourselves," the agent tells her in the video.

The agent asked Cindy Anthony to describe Casey Anthony's relationship with her.

"Casey and I are like best friends," Cindy Anthony said. "We are a lot of alike….She is very artistic like me. She likes to read and likes to write."

Cindy Anthony said her daughter's relationship with her father had become strained since the couple separated a few years ago.

Casey Anthony's relationship with her brother is normal and a "love/hate thing," the mother said. But the two were very loyal.

Cindy Anthony spent hours giving agents her take on things - including possible clues her daughter may be eluding to in jail visits - and walking them through a timeline of Casey's possible whereabouts in June and July.

Casey told family the kidnapper was 'teaching her a lesson'
1:55 p.m. Cindy Anthony told FBI agents on Aug. 7 that Casey revealed to her brother, Lee, that the person who possibly took Caylee was "teaching her a lesson."

"Lee has more information on why Zannie would double crossed her," Cindy Anthony said. It's unclear what kind of lesson or why.

At some point, Casey gave her family her password for the home computer. She changed the password to "timer55."

"We have no clue what 'timer55' is," Cindy Anthony said.

She went on to say that Casey told Lee that "timer55" meant she had 55 days to be taught that lesson. It's 55 days from June 14 to August 9 - Caylee's birthday.

"We don't know if anything is going to change now because who knew police were going to be involved in this," Cindy Anthony said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-video-interviews-george-cindy-anthony-112108,0,371314.story Jeezus, I can't believe Cindy is so into this Zanny thing. There is no Zanny. I can't listen to the interview because I have no sound and the transcript will not show up for me. Do police ever point out to her that there is no Zanny, that none of panned out? Lordy this woman is so frustrating.

[mu8shark]

That has always been part of my theory on why Casey picked her time. Everything was closing in on her-parents asking questions. Money pit was ending,the boyfriend was not really interested in a girlfriend with a child cramping their style. I feel most importantly Caylee was getting older and could say where she was spending her time. Casey knew time was running out and her lies would not cover. MOO Wow I never thought about it from that angle but you are right, At her age and with her verbal skills getting better she would be telling tales on her mother that might not be so good. Great point!

[Twinners]

You know what blew my mind tonight was George asking Caylee if she and Zanny had a good day and Caylee not knowing what he was even talking about. If this is a child who is intelligent enough at that age to talk about other people and from that tape of her singing, it appears she probably is, then that is telling. I do not know how it will come into court . Generally a child who was with the babysitter as much as Casey said she was and went to really fun places like the park, beach and Disney World would talk about stuff she and Zanny did. I mean kids don't retain that for the rest of their lives but they have a short term memory and would mention it. It makes me wonder if George suspected there was no Zanny and was pumping Caylee for info. Also I wonder about what LP said about Xanax. You know in one of the interviews with Amy she says Caylee slept through incredible noise and action and I just wonder about that. Could it be Casey had trouble getting her hands on more Xanax?
My best friend and I were discussing this case earlier tonight and we came to pretty much the same conclusion regarding the timing of it all. In one of the interviews I read today, George mentioned something about how Caylee was coming along in her talking and her potty training. That made me think Casey was probably starting to get worried that Caylee would tell George & Cindy something she didn't want them to know. IMO, she decided to silence Caylee rather than change her lifestyle so Caylee wouldn't have anything to tell.

[Twinners]

That has always been part of my theory on why Casey picked her time. Everything was closing in on her-parents asking questions. Money pit was ending,the boyfriend was not really interested in a girlfriend with a child cramping their style. I feel most importantly Caylee was getting older and could say where she was spending her time. Casey knew time was running out and her lies would not cover. MOO
The sad thing is, from what I've read in his interviews, Casey having a daughter wasn't a problem for Tony. I guess it ended up being a problem for her, but I believe Tony said he already knew she had a daughter when he approached her on FaceBook the first time.

[Twinners]

Read the last part of this article - Bizarre! But then again what isn't in this case?

At some point, Casey gave her family her password for the home computer. She changed the password to "timer55."

"We have no clue what 'timer55' is," Cindy Anthony said.

She went on to say that Casey told Lee that "timer55" meant she had 55 days to be taught that lesson. It's 55 days from June 14 to August 9 - Caylee's birthday.

"We don't know if anything is going to change now because who knew police were going to be involved in this," Cindy Anthony said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-video-interviews-george-cindy-anthony-112108,0,371314.story
This part actually gave me chills.

[sharlock]

The sad thing is, from what I've read in his interviews, Casey having a daughter wasn't a problem for Tony. I guess it ended up being a problem for her, but I believe Tony said he already knew she had a daughter when he approached her on FaceBook the first time.

Sure he thought she was cute who wouldn't but I still don't think Casey could have moved in like she did with young Caylee in tow, do you?

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks so much y'all for pointing out the salient bits of conversation; even with the volume up I can't hear. Gee, that 55 day think would point to premeditation if I was a juror. Wonder why the kidnappers gave her a thirty day script instead of a 55 day one. Something that gets to me, is that G&C both go in for interviews carrying their notebooks and pulling out their lists and notes. Why weren't they more copious when Caylee was alive and well??? Doesn't Cindy saw early on in the first vid that she had Zanny's address and phone number in her address book?

O2S, thanks for posting! Were all of those Georgie video/interviews duplicates?

[Brainstorm]

I suppose George is just letting Cindy vent or whatever she needs to do in public,BUT those interviews with FBI (on NG,last night) leaves no doubt,in my mind, HE KNOWS.
Why he did the big flip flop,in public, I can only say,maybe it is just human nature.
I feel more sympathy for him after hearing the interviews.
God help them all.

[lorettalockhorn]

I suppose George is just letting Cindy vent or whatever she needs to do in public,BUT those interviews with FBI (on NG,last night) leaves no doubt,in my mind, HE KNOWS.
Why he did the big flip flop,in public, I can only say,maybe it is just human nature.
I feel more sympathy for him after hearing the interviews.
God help them all.

You are exactly right, and as much as I blame G&C, especially Cindy, for allowing this to happen, it's impossible not to pray for this family.

[Twinners]

Sure he thought she was cute who wouldn't but I still don't think Casey could have moved in like she did with young Caylee in tow, do you?
I believe Tony took a trip to NY in late June/early July. From what I recall, Casey did not stay at the apartment while he was away. She went to stay with other friends during that time. To me, that says she didn't actually move in with him. She just stayed with him at his apartment on a much more regular basis after Caylee went missing. That's something i don't think she would've been able to do if she still had Caylee. Whether that's because of Tony wouldn't like it or because Casey was afraid of what Caylee might say to her parents OR Tony is anybody's guess, IMO.

[Twinners]

Something that gets to me, is that G&C both go in for interviews carrying their notebooks and pulling out their lists and notes. Why weren't they more copious when Caylee was alive and well???
In one of his police interviews, I heard one of the detectives tell George he couldn't have known what was coming when he criticized himself for not paying more attention to dates, times and so forth in the past. Hindsight is 20/20 more often than not. The Anthony's are going to have to live with what they didn't do for the rest of their lives. I feel bad for them because of it.

[lorettalockhorn]

In one of his police interviews, I heard one of the detectives tell George he couldn't have known what was coming when he criticized himself for not paying more attention to dates, times and so forth in the past. Hindsight is 20/20 more often than not. The Anthony's are going to have to live with what they didn't do for the rest of their lives. I feel bad for them because of it.

Sorry, I don't see this as a failure in hindsight. It's bad parenting. Plain and simple. They enabled Casey in her lousy humanity (or lack thereof), and didn't take full responsibility for Caylee despite the fact that they knew Casey was worthless. Half ass all the way.

[Woostock]

I don't feel bad for the Anthony's at all. They knew their daughter lied, stole money and was untrustworthy. They needed to set their priorities straight and at least make sure Caylee was protected. Not knowing where Caylee was much of the time....yikes. I think they realize now that they should have been more vigilant but it is too late unfortunately. Apparently a therapist suggested they take custody of Caylee and they did not even do that. When we hear from LE during the trial I expect we will hear about other things the sociopath did.

[Twinners]

Sorry, I don't see this as a failure in hindsight. It's bad parenting. Plain and simple. They enabled Casey in her lousy humanity (or lack thereof), and didn't take full responsibility for Caylee despite the fact that they knew Casey was worthless. Half ass all the way.
I don't think taking full responsibility for Caylee was something the Anthony's could do with Casey in the picture. I think they took care of her as best they could given the situation.

What you see as them enabling Casey, I see as them trying to take care of Caylee. Maybe that is one of the reasons our thoughts on them are usually so different.

ETA: I really do believe the Anthony's would've continued to let Casey run right over them if it meant Caylee would continue to be in their lives. The "lesson" Casey spoke of was never one for her, IMO. It was one she was trying to teach them, IMO.

ETA: Can someone tell me where the information about the therapist may be? I've looked all over but still can't find it. :(

[applesandorange]

I don't think taking full responsibility for Caylee was something the Anthony's could do with Casey in the picture. I think they took care of her as best they could given the situation.

What you see as them enabling Casey, I see as them trying to take care of Caylee. Maybe that is one of the reasons our thoughts on them are usually so different.

ETA: I really do believe the Anthony's would've continued to let Casey run right over them if it meant Caylee would continue to be in their lives. The "lesson" Casey spoke of was never one for her, IMO. It was one she was trying to teach them, IMO.

ETA: Can someone tell me where the information about the therapist may be? I've looked all over but still can't find it. :(


I don't think legally there was much G&C could do. Caylee was Casey's daughter. I know here in PA the grand parents really don't have any rights to the children unless given them by the parent. I agree that C&G were doing all the could to protect Caylee but didn't want to make Casey mad and take the chance of not seeing Caylee. Maybe C&G even thought they were making Casey grow up and take responsibility by telling Casey she had to find a babysitter since they both work. They probably did ask for a phone number for Zanny. Casey may have even given them a fake number or refused to give them one at all. Who knows. I find it strange that the A's never seen any pics of the sitter or heard Caylee talk about her. To me that would have sent a red flag and at that point I would have demanded answers. Again, they may not have wanted to anger Casey but what's more important keeping your daughter happy or ensuring your grand daughter is safe? In this situation it seems that that line was blurred because angering their daughter would put their grand daughter in an unsafe environment. I think their hands were tied so to speak until Cindy wanted Casey to be arrested thinking Caylee would come home and then Cindy could get custody. I still don't agree with the lying Cindy is doing for Casey though. IMO Casey learned that behavior from Cindy and in that aspect I believe Cindy is as guilty as Casey. JMO

[One2Snoop]

I don't think taking full responsibility for Caylee was something the Anthony's could do with Casey in the picture. I think they took care of her as best they could given the situation.

What you see as them enabling Casey, I see as them trying to take care of Caylee. Maybe that is one of the reasons our thoughts on them are usually so different.

ETA: I really do believe the Anthony's would've continued to let Casey run right over them if it meant Caylee would continue to be in their lives. The "lesson" Casey spoke of was never one for her, IMO. It was one she was trying to teach them, IMO.

ETA: Can someone tell me where the information about the therapist may be? I've looked all over but still can't find it. :(

I found the following on the NG transcript...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Channel 9 has learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy Anthony was worried that Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee. Before that could happen, Casey and Caylee left, and Cindy believed Casey kept Caylee out of touch just to punish her. Relatives say Caylee was much more attached to her grandmother than she was to her own mother.

snip

GRACE: So she had actually sought out a therapist to deal with mom, Casey Anthony, stealing?

PETRIMOULX: That`s right. And the therapist actually said that she should try to get custody of Caylee and kick her out of the house. Of course, before any of that was able to go through -- you know, we`re not sure if she was going to go through with that, but before any of that could happen, Casey, you know, left.

Aired September 8, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/08/ng.01.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't think taking full responsibility for Caylee was something the Anthony's could do with Casey in the picture. I think they took care of her as best they could given the situation.

What you see as them enabling Casey, I see as them trying to take care of Caylee. Maybe that is one of the reasons our thoughts on them are usually so different.

ETA: I really do believe the Anthony's would've continued to let Casey run right over them if it meant Caylee would continue to be in their lives. The "lesson" Casey spoke of was never one for her, IMO. It was one she was trying to teach them, IMO.

ETA: Can someone tell me where the information about the therapist may be? I've looked all over but still can't find it. :(

Well, the great thing about this place is that I can tell you how very wrong you are, yet still wub you. :hat:

[One2Snoop]

GROUP RELEASES "CAYLEE SIGHTING" PHOTO
Orange County Sheriff's office blasts the Anthony's after the release of that picture.

Even though the evidence shows little Caylee is dead, her grandparents are still claiming she's alive.

Friday, a group representing the family, The Help Find Caylee Search Team, released a new picture (see photo) of what they call a possible sighting of Caylee Anthony at the Florida Mall in Orlando on October 16.

It's the latest in a series of possible sightings that, so far, have turned out to be unfounded.

The Orange County Sheriff’s Office blasted the Anthonys after the release of that picture. The Sheriff’s Office said it’s not looking for Caylee. Representatives said, “We are confident that she (Caylee) is dead.”

The Sheriff’s Office went on to say that it’s sad that the Anthonys, “can’t look at that picture and tell that it is not their grandchild.”

The statement also said it’s a shame that innocent children’s pictures are being released as tips.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

GEORGE, CINDY TELL DIFFERENT STORIES


FBI interrogations expose George and Cindy Anthony and their stories are drastically different, especially when it came to Casey's abandoned car.

Two weeks after Cindy found out her granddaughter was missing and called deputies to arrest her daughter Casey, she was defending Casey to the FBI. She said Casey is smart enough not to leave self-incriminating evidence behind in her car trunk and, Cindy said, if it were her she'd have run the car into a river or off a cliff.

"I find it very hard to believe that Caylee, Casey had an opportunity to put Caylee in there for a short period of time to get the car stench that bad and take her somewhere else," Cindy told investigators during the July 30 questioning.

But her husband George told the FBI the very next day that Casey's story makes no sense.

"There's little threads of truth in all these little lies she's telling, I know it, but we just can't get it together," George said.

FBI special agent Scott Bolin's interview with George revealed something never heard before, what Casey told her parents during a jail visit about how the mysterious nanny kidnapped Caylee.

"Zanny is supposed to be the person that knocked her down and took her kid in front of witnesses, but we have no witnesses that say this happened outside of her," he said.

But George admitted that Caylee never ever mentioned Zanny the Nanny even though she often spoke of others she knew well.

"If you asked her, 'Did you have a good time with Zanny today?' There was never any brightness or anything like that come through her.

"There was no recognition on her part?" Bolin asked.

"No, none whatsoever," George replied.

If George and Cindy were watching news reports about the FBI videos, it would be the first time they saw what the other said to investigators. Eyewitness News asked George on Friday about the contradictory public comments he makes about Caylee being alive and the private comments revealed Friday.

George admitted he and Cindy were not always on the same page regarding Caylee. He wouldn't talk on camera, but he also said he keeps a journal of everything he tells investigators to keep the story straight.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html#-

[lorettalockhorn]

GROUP RELEASES "CAYLEE SIGHTING" PHOTO
Orange County Sheriff's office blasts the Anthony's after the release of that picture.


The Sheriff’s Office went on to say that it’s sad that the Anthonys, “can’t look at that picture and tell that it is not their grandchild.”

The statement also said it’s a shame that innocent children’s pictures are being released as tips.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18032990/detail.html#-

AEffingMen. Was ranting earlier about this at DL's. Can the world at large get an injunction against a group or a couple??

[Gatordog]

Sure he thought she was cute who wouldn't but I still don't think Casey could have moved in like she did with young Caylee in tow, do you?

She could have just signed over custody to Cindy and George and drifted into the sunset. According to the very good friend who used to babysit Caylee, Cindy told Casey that she would adopt Caylee and if Casey ever changed her mind, she could have Caylee again. I don't know how that could be done legally once you terminate your parental rights, but Casey was so selfish that she would rather the child die and let her parents bring her up. Get that cell in death row ready.

Gator

P.S. Stupid Casey has cost me a lot of money too. I was perfectly content not having a computer or internet at home and now I've become so addicted to this site, I bought a laptop and I'll have my service connected Tuesday. :D

[Gatordog]

AEffingMen. Was ranting earlier about this at DL's. Can the world at large get an injunction against a group or a couple??

Went to a local mall yesterday with mom and we passed the children's play center. We looked and there were at least three little girls with the same look as Caylee at a quick glance but then you could see that they were not. People need to be careful who they suspect can be Caylee.

[Woostock]

I wondered about Cindy and George taking custody of Caylee or adopting her. I wonder why they just didn't insist on it. They certainly loved Caylee and had to have had their doubts about how Casey's parenting skills were. My hunch is they are remorseful that they did not just do that and hence the posture, especiallly on Cindy's part, she is taking today. She needs to think that Caylee is out there alive; certainly if she and George had parented Caylee she would be alive today. This is really tough on Cindy and I hope she can just come to terms, as difficult as it is, that Caylee is no longer alive.

[lorettalockhorn]

Went to a local mall yesterday with mom and we passed the children's play center. We looked and there were at least three little girls with the same look as Caylee at a quick glance but then you could see that they were not. People need to be careful who they suspect can be Caylee.

It's ridic that anyone thinks that Caylee's appearance wouldn't have been drastically changed, or that she would even show up in public, for pity's sake. I can see that if this sort of BS continues, that someone could be seriously hurt.

Congrats on the new laptop! Cost be damned!

[deputydi]

I wondered about Cindy and George taking custody of Caylee or adopting her. I wonder why they just didn't insist on it. They certainly loved Caylee and had to have had their doubts about how Casey's parenting skills were. My hunch is they are remorseful that they did not just do that and hence the posture, especiallly on Cindy's part, she is taking today. She needs to think that Caylee is out there alive; certainly if she and George had parented Caylee she would be alive today. This is really tough on Cindy and I hope she can just come to terms, as difficult as it is, that Caylee is no longer alive.
If only it were that easy. You have to have a darned good reason to petition the court for termination of parental rights. And, even if you have good reason, there is no guarantee the court will terminate right away. This is the reason I am so curious about the Therapist's advice to them about seeking custody. What prompted her to say this to Cindy and how reliable is the report that she really did advise Cindy to petition the court for termination of Casey's parental right. That is serious business and something the courts do not take lightly.

[wind149]

ITA! How could you not recognize your own granddaughter? I asked a guy who is a retired and shrink and he kinda summed up G&C's denial to this.They are so one minded, they truly believe that C is alive, it is like they have total tunnel vision, their minds are not their own, and they won't accept that she is dead until they see the body, and even then will not be able to wrap their minds around the fact the CA is responsible, they will blame it still on somebody else. Interesting note folks, C looked at Grandpa like he was crazy when he asked C how was your day with Zanny? Kids that age know everyone in their family or friend circle, all my godchildren know who I am and knew at 2-3 years old. Where is Aunt Linda? They knew, so it stands to reason even more so that Zanny never existed, only in CA's twisted mind. I saw a little girl yesterday that looked like C but did I whip my cell phone out and call the cops? NOT! The kid's name was Brianna, heard the dad call her that, and she has dark hair and eyes, about the same weight and height, but looking at her closely, I can see why people think they have seen her, a lot of these kids do resemble each other and I think people, however good their intentions are, should not call C&G and give them false hope, the child is DEAD and has been since June.

And instead of wasting people's time and money organizing yet another search party, they need to be beating the truth out of their scum of a daughter, that is the only way they are gonna know the truth and it so fruitless for thousands of people to descend on Orlando, when that child's body could be in a landfill in Dog Breath ID??? And if she was in the river, the gators got her a long time ago and there will be nothing left. This scumbag had a 30 day leeway, she could be anywhere, I too believed thinking that CA is not that smart in the beginning that C might be near the home, maybe the area by the airport and that area has been searched with a fine toothed comb, sonar, ground penetrating heat seekers, to no avail, so I am sure now C is not in Orlando unless she became gator bait. I just think it is so heartbreaking to think this ***** does not even care that her parents are suffering so, I know this unit was clearly dysfunctional before this, but the only thing they are guilty of at this point is spoiling her so bad, she thinks she is entitled to everything and makes sure she gets it one way or the other. It is also clear that Cindy wears the pants even though George was in LE. And lying apparently is accepted behavior so yeah, they essentially created a monster and now they are gonna have to live with that fact, but Geez, sooner than later they need to start the grieving process and then hit the anger stage and knock the crap out of their daughter, something they clearly should have done a long time ago!

[Woostock]

Deputydi
that could very well be the case where you are. I do EI home visits
and I have at least 3 families that have taken grandchildren into their homes once I call social services. It may vary state to state. I have also seen grandparents take kids on an interim basis for one reason or another. One home I went into (and I only do EI in the summer when school is out) I had very serious concerns, reported it and before SS could intervene the child died) I have never gotten over that. I think the therapist (or whoever it was) who recommended it with Caylee obvioulsy had some concerns.....

[Brainstorm]

If only it were that easy. You have to have a darned good reason to petition the court for termination of parental rights. And, even if you have good reason, there is no guarantee the court will terminate right away. This is the reason I am so curious about the Therapist's advice to them about seeking custody. What prompted her to say this to Cindy and how reliable is the report that she really did advise Cindy to petition the court for termination of Casey's parental right. That is serious business and something the courts do not take lightly.

When is important too,imo.How long had Cindy been telling Casey that this was coming or was the altercation when she put C up against the wall(iirc) the first C had heard of this plan?
We've heard everything else. Where is this therapist?

[lorettalockhorn]

And if she was in the river, the gators got her a long time ago and there will be nothing left.

Love your posts, but this right here is what strikes me as remarkable, LP insists the Caylee is in the Econ, and just about every media snippet about his search mentions the alligators nearby.

Deputydi
that could very well be the case where you are. I do EI home visits
and I have at least 3 families that have taken grandchildren into their homes once I call social services. It may vary state to state. I have also seen grandparents take kids on an interim basis for one reason or another. One home I went into (and I only do EI in the summer when school is out) I had very serious concerns, reported it and before SS could intervene the child died) I have never gotten over that. I think the therapist (or whoever it was) who recommended it with Caylee obvioulsy had some concerns.....

Obviously, or Cindy wouldn't have mentioned it, but doncha wish that therapists name could be found on The State's witness list?

[Brainstorm]

love your posts, but this right here is what strikes me as remarkable, lp insists the caylee is in the econ, and just about every media snippet about his search mentions the alligators nearby.



Obviously, or cindy wouldn't have mentioned it, but doncha wish that therapists name could be found on the state's witness list?

ita..................

[deputydi]

Deputydi
that could very well be the case where you are. I do EI home visits
and I have at least 3 families that have taken grandchildren into their homes once I call social services. It may vary state to state. I have also seen grandparents take kids on an interim basis for one reason or another. One home I went into (and I only do EI in the summer when school is out) I had very serious concerns, reported it and before SS could intervene the child died) I have never gotten over that. I think the therapist (or whoever it was) who recommended it with Caylee obvioulsy had some concerns.....
Oh, I agree when it concerns temp physical custody. But, remember Casey and Caylee were living with the Anthonys and had since Caylee's birth. They would no doubt still be living there had it not been for Cindy telling her daughter to leave.

I was talking about getting a court to terminate parental rights. That doesn't happen easily or quickly.

[deputydi]

<snip>Obviously, or Cindy wouldn't have mentioned it, but doncha wish that therapists name could be found on The State's witness list?
I sure do!

[Twinners]

I found the following on the NG transcript...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Channel 9 has learned Cindy Anthony had gone to a counselor who told her to kick Casey out. Cindy Anthony was worried that Casey would take Caylee with her, so the counselor told her to try to get legal custody of Caylee. Before that could happen, Casey and Caylee left, and Cindy believed Casey kept Caylee out of touch just to punish her. Relatives say Caylee was much more attached to her grandmother than she was to her own mother.

snip

GRACE: So she had actually sought out a therapist to deal with mom, Casey Anthony, stealing?

PETRIMOULX: That`s right. And the therapist actually said that she should try to get custody of Caylee and kick her out of the house. Of course, before any of that was able to go through -- you know, we`re not sure if she was going to go through with that, but before any of that could happen, Casey, you know, left.

Aired September 8, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/08/ng.01.html
Thank you so much for posting this! I've read/watched most of Cindy & George's interviews and so forth, but I've never seen a single mention of the therapist in any of them. That makes me think this guy on NG may be the original source of the information. I don't know where that guy would've heard it from initially, but maybe it will turn out that there wasn't a therapist involved. It certainly would explain why they don't appear on the witness list.

[Twinners]

Well, the great thing about this place is that I can tell you how very wrong you are, yet still wub you. :hat:
LMAO! Thanks Loretta! :tongue::rose:

P.S. Stupid Casey has cost me a lot of money too. I was perfectly content not having a computer or internet at home and now I've become so addicted to this site, I bought a laptop and I'll have my service connected Tuesday. :D
Welcome to our world, Gator! :beer:

[deputydi]

Thank you so much for posting this! I've read/watched most of Cindy & George's interviews and so forth, but I've never seen a single mention of the therapist in any of them. That makes me think this guy on NG may be the original source of the information. I don't know where that guy would've heard it from initially, but maybe it will turn out that there wasn't a therapist involved. It certainly would explain why they don't appear on the witness list.
I don't expect to see the therapist on any witness list. Her testimony would be considered privileged.

[Twinners]

I don't expect to see the therapist on any witness list. Her testimony would be considered privileged.
But couldn't she be called just to verify the Anthony's had been to see her and when?

[deputydi]

But couldn't she be called just to verify the Anthony's had been to see her and when?
As far as I know -- no.

Besides, what good would that do? If she can't say why Cindy was a patient her testimony would be worthless.

[Twinners]

As far as I know -- no.

Besides, what good would that do? If she can't say why Cindy was a patient her testimony would be worthless.
I don't know, but after watching her interviews with the FBI, I'm not sure Cindy is going to be very forthcoming with information that could make Casey look bad to the jury during the trial. I guess I'm thinking they may have to find other ways to get information out there, even if it is just a simple confirmation that Cindy and George went to see a therapist during the month of June.

[Twinners]

Looks like LP plans to return to FL.
Bounty Hunter Plans Return To Search For Caylee
Padilla Raised More Than $50,000 To Continue Search

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The bounty hunter in the search for missing Caylee Anthony said on Sunday that he has raised more than $50,000 and plans to come back to Central Florida.

Padilla said he plans to come back soon to search for Caylee's remains.

This news came on the heels of a rough week for the Anthony family.

On Friday, the state released videotaped interviews between the Anthonys and investigators.

Grandfather George Anthony said he suspects Caylee's mother -- his daughter, Casey Anthony -- stole money from her mother, Cindy, and from Caylee's piggy bank.

On Thursday, the attorney representing the Anthonys said he's out. Mark Nejame announced he will no longer represent the family.

On Wednesday, WESH 2 News was the first to report that the Orange County Sheriff's Office will no longer follow up on live sightings of Caylee. Orange County police said they believe the toddler is dead.

Padilla said he wants a thorough search of the bottom of the Little Econlockhatchee River with divers using sifting screens. Those screens would allow water and sand to fall through, but not the kinds of things alligators won't eat, like toys, plastic bags and human teeth.

Padilla said he's planning an exhaustive new search of the bottom of the river in hopes of finding Caylee's remains.

"A lot of people might think exactly that," Padilla said, referring to the face that some people have called him crazy. "But I've been a voice in the wilderness before. I have some money now -- in the neighborhood of $50,000 pledged."

Padilla said he has been assured by experts that some human remains and other evidence could still be in the river, even though it has been five months since Caylee's disappearance.

"In checking with people that know alligators, they won't eat plastic stuff, garbage bags, and they will not eat teeth," Padilla said.

That's why Padilla said he wants search teams to use sifting screens. He said he's confident he can raise $200,000 and be back by early January.

Meanwhile, the Kid Finder's Network released a picture on Friday of a young girl seen at the Florida Mall in Orlando. The child resembles Caylee. So far, Kid Finders said it has gotten little help from the public in their efforts to find out who the girl is.

"It's very urgent to get the picture out there," said Michelle Bart, of Kid Finders. "If it's not Caylee, we want to know."

Padilla said he has not been given a polygraph by the Orange County Sheriff's Office and does not know when that will happen. He reiterated that he did not plant evidence at the river two weeks ago.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18045461/detail.html

[deputydi]

I don't know, but after watching her interviews with the FBI, I'm not sure Cindy is going to be very forthcoming with information that could make Casey look bad to the jury during the trial. I guess I'm thinking they may have to find other ways to get information out there, even if it is just a simple confirmation that Cindy and George went to see a therapist during the month of June.
I agree that Cindy isn't going to be very helpful as a witness for the prosecution but they really don't need her testimony. With all the forensic evidence they have collected and the testimony of all her friends plus the tapes from the jail, I'd be shocked if the DA even calls Cindy to the stand.

[Twinners]

I agree that Cindy isn't going to be very helpful as a witness for the prosecution but they really don't need her testimony. With all the forensic evidence they have collected and the testimony of all her friends plus the tapes from the jail, I'd be shocked if the DA even calls Cindy to the stand.
I hadn't thought of it that way. Very good points! I personally think the only thing Cindy would do on the stand is hurt herself. IMO, George is the only one of the Anthony's they should call to the stand.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't expect to see the therapist on any witness list. Her testimony would be considered privileged.

Seems like I've seen therapists and/or docs called to the stand in other cases even if they ultimately didn't testify. Presumably the purpose of having them refuse to testify would be to put a question or idea into the minds of the jurors. This is something that probably varies state to state and judge to judge (for that matter).

Looks like LP plans to return to FL.

Gee, I hope for LP's sake that his $$ pledges are more forthcoming than his pledges of five hundred bounty hunters for the weekend (search) 11/08. Does the man really, really think that he will find Caylee's teeth in the Econ??

[Twinners]

Gee, I hope for LP's sake that his $$ pledges are more forthcoming than his pledges of five hundred bounty hunters for the weekend (search) 11/08. Does the man really, really think that he will find Caylee's teeth in the Econ??
I doubt it, but then, I'm one of those people who still isn't sure what I think his real motives are for searching in the first place.

[mu8shark]

I don't know, but after watching her interviews with the FBI, I'm not sure Cindy is going to be very forthcoming with information that could make Casey look bad to the jury during the trial. I guess I'm thinking they may have to find other ways to get information out there, even if it is just a simple confirmation that Cindy and George went to see a therapist during the month of June. I think you hit the nail on the head. Nowhere in the local LE interview does Cindy show the slightest tendency to be honest about her daughter's ahem shortcomings. And she is not going to. Imagine her coming forward after saying Casey is a good mother, Casey loved that child blah, blah, and then to admit that well she was having such trouble with her that whatever she told a therapist convinced a therapist that maybe Cindy should try to go for custody. No way Cindy is going to go into that. No way.. This is why in interviews about the therapist. we have not heard her say a thing. It would make Casey not such a good candidate for mother of the year. Remember in the beginning George and Cindy said Casey did not party, did not drink, came home early, etc, etc. Ha what a load of poop that turned out to be,. I suspect the source of info is Lee, because he talked a lot about Cindy and Caseys fights and problems to a lot of people.

[mu8shark]

I don't know, but after watching her interviews with the FBI, I'm not sure Cindy is going to be very forthcoming with information that could make Casey look bad to the jury during the trial. I guess I'm thinking they may have to find other ways to get information out there, even if it is just a simple confirmation that Cindy and George went to see a therapist during the month of June. I agree the testimony would be priviledged and I don't think it is worth even calling her or trying to get around that. It would be a hassle for just a small bit of info that really does not advance the case that much when you think about it. I am sure others can testify to the tensions between Cindy and Casey without the therapist. It is not as if Cindy told the therapist Casey had threatened to kill her child or something. Now that would testimony worth trying to get around the privilege and hearsay rule. But as it is , I do not personally see her testimony as that important.

[mu8shark]

If only it were that easy. You have to have a darned good reason to petition the court for termination of parental rights. And, even if you have good reason, there is no guarantee the court will terminate right away. This is the reason I am so curious about the Therapist's advice to them about seeking custody. What prompted her to say this to Cindy and how reliable is the report that she really did advise Cindy to petition the court for termination of Casey's parental right. That is serious business and something the courts do not take lightly. I completely agree with this excellent post. Drug dealers and killers do not lose custody and sometimes when children are abused they are put back into the home when the parents get counseling. It would be a very difficult and long process and I don't really think they had enough on Casey to even do it. As much as I don't like Cindy, I don't fault her for not saving Caylee's life and I don't think she should fault herself.

[mu8shark]

Deputydi
that could very well be the case where you are. I do EI home visits
and I have at least 3 families that have taken grandchildren into their homes once I call social services. It may vary state to state. I have also seen grandparents take kids on an interim basis for one reason or another. One home I went into (and I only do EI in the summer when school is out) I had very serious concerns, reported it and before SS could intervene the child died) I have never gotten over that. I think the therapist (or whoever it was) who recommended it with Caylee obvioulsy had some concerns..... But surely you are not saying that just because the mother has a habit of taking money from the grandparents and wants others to watch her child a lot and she wants to go out and party that you could automatically take that child away. I am willing to bet in most states to take a child away you need serious issues. And Casey had not hit her child , bruised her, emotionally abused her, left her in a dangerous situation,( that anyone knew of ) she was fed and clothed and housed. I don't see anything you could point to that would automatically remove Caylee from Casey's care. I am sure you had serious concerns, but you can't take a child in most states on a hunch the mother is not interested in raising a child. And the other thing to remember is child protective services came in and did a review after the fact and found nothing to indicate that Casey had abused her. The charge remember came primarily because Casey did not report her missing for a month. So I still see no easy way Cindy could of just swooped in there and got custody. It is unrealistic with the set of circumstances in my opinion

[lorettalockhorn]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Nowhere in the local LE interview does Cindy show the slightest tendency to be honest about her daughter's ahem shortcomings. And she is not going to. Imagine her coming forward after saying Casey is a good mother, Casey loved that child blah, blah, and then to admit that well she was having such trouble with her that whatever she told a therapist convinced a therapist that maybe Cindy should try to go for custody. No way Cindy is going to go into that. No way.. This is why in interviews about the therapist. we have not heard her say a thing. It would make Casey not such a good candidate for mother of the year. Remember in the beginning George and Cindy said Casey did not party, did not drink, came home early, etc, etc. Ha what a load of poop that turned out to be,. I suspect the source of info is Lee, because he talked a lot about Cindy and Caseys fights and problems to a lot of people.

When and if Cindy testifies, it will be interesting as to whether or not she is willing to lie under oath to the impartial jury. She might just lose her nerve and tell the truth. Then again, she might easily be impeached.

And just what in the world will George testify to? He's like a Janus when you compare the information given to LE and what he tells the press.

[mu8shark]

When and if Cindy testifies, it will be interesting as to whether or not she is willing to lie under oath to the impartial jury. She might just lose her nerve and tell the truth. Then again, she might easily be impeached.

And just what in the world will George testify to? He's like a Janus when you compare the information given to LE and what he tells the press. A Janus he has been that is for sure. Which is why it is good the LE taped these interviews, no room for wiggling and saying, I did not say this or that or they embellished. I think George may tell the truth on the stand. If Cindy did it would be a miracle in my opinion and I doubt the prosecution will even call her . Even if I was the defense I would think twice about calling Cindy, as to me she can be easily impeached.

[Twinners]

I'm not really sure George has been two-faced. He freely admitted to needing to believe Caylee was still alive in his FBI interview, yet he didn't let that need prevent him from telling them all he could about the situation. I think that's the biggest difference between he and Cindy.

[Woostock]

Maybe we will never know the circumstances which occurred for the therapist to suggest Cindy get custody. But I believe she had some serious concerns to suggest that and we may not know what they were. Regardless, it didn't happen, Caylee is most probably deceased...

[sharlock]

Interesting note folks, C looked at Grandpa like he was crazy when he asked C how was your day with Zanny? Kids that age know everyone in their family or friend circle, all my godchildren know who I am and knew at 2-3 years old. Where is Aunt Linda? They knew, so it stands to reason even more so that Zanny never existed, only in CA's twisted mind.

The thing about that statement was that George said Caylee also didn't respond to names like Amy either and she did spend time there? In fact the only name he said she did respond to was Lees and his girlfriend.

[sharlock]

I don't know, but after watching her interviews with the FBI, I'm not sure Cindy is going to be very forthcoming with information that could make Casey look bad to the jury during the trial. I guess I'm thinking they may have to find other ways to get information out there, even if it is just a simple confirmation that Cindy and George went to see a therapist during the month of June.

I assumed they woud simply request to treat her as a hostile witness?

[Gatordog]

But surely you are not saying that just because the mother has a habit of taking money from the grandparents and wants others to watch her child a lot and she wants to go out and party that you could automatically take that child away. I am willing to bet in most states to take a child away you need serious issues. And Casey had not hit her child , bruised her, emotionally abused her, left her in a dangerous situation,( that anyone knew of ) she was fed and clothed and housed. I don't see anything you could point to that would automatically remove Caylee from Casey's care. I am sure you had serious concerns, but you can't take a child in most states on a hunch the mother is not interested in raising a child. And the other thing to remember is child protective services came in and did a review after the fact and found nothing to indicate that Casey had abused her. The charge remember came primarily because Casey did not report her missing for a month. So I still see no easy way Cindy could of just swooped in there and got custody. It is unrealistic with the set of circumstances in my opinion

A 12 year old girl was just put into protective services this weekend because the house was too dirty with too many pets. I'm thinking that there is a difference between removing a child from the home and actually losing all parental rights. I see no reason why Caylee could not have been put under her grandmother's temporary custody while Casey got her act together, if ever. It seems Florida can take away a child for living in a dirty house (happens a lot from what I've seen on TV) and taking away a child because of parental neglect. I am sure if they did a hair test on Caylee while she was alive, drugs would have been found.

Gator

[Gatordog]

I agree that Cindy isn't going to be very helpful as a witness for the prosecution but they really don't need her testimony. With all the forensic evidence they have collected and the testimony of all her friends plus the tapes from the jail, I'd be shocked if the DA even calls Cindy to the stand.

I think they are going to have to put her on the stand due to the 911 calls. Just remember the demeanor of Cindy and Casey on the calls. Cindy is crying, she's frantic that Caylee needs to be found, she's distraught, she mentions Casey has been stealing. On the other hand, Casey is cool as a cucumber, no misery, no crying, no find my daughter. Just calmness. Tells a lot if you ask me.

[Gatordog]

The thing about that statement was that George said Caylee also didn't respond to names like Amy either and she did spend time there? In fact the only name he said she did respond to was Lees and his girlfriend.

Poor child was probably on drugs. Amy said Caylee would be at parties and sleep right through them. No wonder she doesn't remember a lot. :mad:

[lorettalockhorn]

A 12 year old girl was just put into protective services this weekend because the house was too dirty with too many pets. I'm thinking that there is a difference between removing a child from the home and actually losing all parental rights. I see no reason why Caylee could not have been put under her grandmother's temporary custody while Casey got her act together, if ever. It seems Florida can take away a child for living in a dirty house (happens a lot from what I've seen on TV) and taking away a child because of parental neglect. I am sure if they did a hair test on Caylee while she was alive, drugs would have been found.

Gator

Once all those economic charges came down against Casey and she was in and out of jail and facing a prison sentence(s), someone would need to assume guardianship of Caylee anyway.

[Gatordog]

The new spokeswoman for the Anthonys was on television and she said that it's been three days since the photo of the mystery child in the Mall of Millennia has been released and no one has come forward to say she's their child. As long as no one comes forward they are going to proceed as if that is Caylee. How stupid is that? They should all be aware that the Mall of Millennia is an upscale mall and probably 70 percent of the visitors are tourists. It's the closest mall to Disney and lots of European people shop there because it's mainly designer stores. I would say there is a very good possibility that the child and family are not even watching the news or have already left the country to go home. Every time I go there, I am asked where I come from? There is always surprise when I say Orlando.

Gator

[Twinners]

Interesting stuff regarding the trial options.
Anthonys Say They Feel Ambushed By Taping, Release Of FBI Interviews
Missing Caylee Anthony Last Seen In June

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The grandparents of Caylee Anthony, who was last seen in mid-June, spoke for the first time since their interviews with the FBI were released, saying they felt like they have been ambushed.

George and Cindy Anthony said they did not know they were being videotaped and had no idea the FBI interviews were being released until they watched local TV news.

The Anthonys said this proves that investigators are not searching for Caylee but instead are continuing to build a case against Casey Anthony.

"That distinct odor, that's something you don't forget," George Anthony said in the FBI interview. "I believe something was placed in the back of that trunk. I don't want to believe it was my granddaughter."

George Anthony also said in the interview that his daughter had lied.

"Is my daughter not telling the truth? Yeah," George Anthony said. "She knows a lot more than what's going on. Has she just completely blanked this out or is she just trying to cover up something that might have went wrong? That's possible."

No Leads In Possible Sighting

Meanwhile, the Anthonys said no one has come forward since a picture of a girl involved in a possible Caylee sighting was released on Friday.

The photo was taken inside the Florida Mall, but the person who took the picture has not been identified.

"We want to continue to get it out there. If she belongs to someone else, we want to know so we can rule it out," Anthony family spokeswoman Michelle Bart said.

Bounty Hunter Search

Celebrity bounty hunter Leonard Padilla said he will return to Orlando in January to search for Caylee's remains. Padilla said he has been given $50,000 from someone who wants him to continue the search. Padilla said he will continue searching Blanchard Park in Orlando, where he believes Casey Anthony dumped her daughter's body.

Attorneys Talk Trial Options

Meanwhile, Local 6 News reporter Tony Pipitone continues his investigation into the case, discussing its merits with a former prosecutor and a prominent defense attorney.

Anthony's trial is scheduled to begin in January.

Caylee's body has not been found, inviting the question: How can the state prove she is dead, much less that her mother killed her?

Pipitone said that after prosecutors finish presenting their case, the defense will likely ask the judge to throw it out, seeking a judgment of acquittal, which means even giving the state every benefit of the doubt, there's no way a jury could properly find guilt.

"How do you prove this child is dead just because her mother won't say where she has been or is, if she knows? You can't prove she's dead," defense attorney Cheney Mason said. "If you can't prove she's dead, you can't prove cause of death. If you can't prove cause of death, you have a hard time proving who's behind it, how it happened."

Former prosecutor Elizabeth Rahter said a circumstantial case could be solid enough to at least get to a jury.

"Is it reasonable for a mother never to report her missing child? Is it reasonable for a mother to be quiet? Is it reasonable for a mother to never call the police? Is it reasonable for there to be a hair in the trunk? Well, how often does her daughter hang out in the trunk of her car?" Rahter said.

Anthony's car reeked of death, and scientists may be allowed to testify that it contained the remains of a decomposing human body, Pipitone said.

If the case did get to a jury, Pipitone asked Mason if he thought her attorneys would put her on the stand.

"Knowing what I know at this time, there's not a snowball's chance you know where I put her on the witness stand," Mason said.

"Why is that?" Pipitone said.

"Well, because there's so much to cross-examine her about," Mason said.

"Do you just say, 'The defense rests.' Don't even put on a defense?" Pipitone asked.

"There's a good chance that would be the case," Mason said.

If that was to happen, a jury would decide Anthony's fate on charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and four counts of lying to authorities, although juries sometimes are given a chance to compromise on what are called lesser-included offenses.

"It doesn't have to be murder. It could be something lesser," Pipitone said.

"It could be murder first-degree, second-degree, manslaughter," Mason said.

Either side could request that the choices be given to the jury, Pipitone said.

"Most likely, the defense is going to say, 'We just want what's charged and nothing less,'" Rahter said.

If the case against Anthony is as weak as Mason claims, she and her defense team may choose to roll the dice.

"The defense would risk all or nothing?" Pipitone asked.

"Some defense attorneys have done that. You come back with murder-one or you have to acquit," Mason said.

If Anthony was found guilty of premeditated murder or murder in the commission of aggravated child abuse, the question would then turn to a sentence of life or death -- if the state even seeks the death penalty, Pipitone said.

To get the death penalty, the state has to show death was heinous, atrocious or cruel.

"How can you prove the death was heinous, atrocious and cruel if you can't prove the cause of death because you don't have a body?" Mason said.

"There's a dead child. How more heinous, atrocious and cruel can you get?" Pipitone said.

"Well, because people die by accident, of natural causes, any number of ways. No way. No possibility of proving heinous, atrocious and cruel without the body," Mason said.

There also are other so-called aggravators, Pipitone said.

"Is that cold, calculated and premeditated?" Pipitone asked.

"I think you could definitely argue the cold and calculated," Rahter said.

"How do you prove cold, calculated or premeditated, again, without knowing when or how or why?" Mason said.

Other aggravators include a child victim being killed by a caregiver supports a death penalty.

"But on this question, both our defense and prosecutorial sides have some agreement," Pipitone said.

"As it stands now, you can't get there," Mason said.

"So no way you'd see a death penalty in this case?" Pipitone said.

"No, based on what we know now," Mason said.

"I don't think the state would go through with it if they don't have a body," Rahter said.

"That wouldn't ever go to the death penalty, would never even seek it without a body," Pipitone said.

If Anthony is found not guilty on all counts, Pipitone asked the experts if justice will have been served.

"If you believe in the Constitution of the United States, if you believe in the jury system, you must necessarily conclude that that was justice," Mason said.

More w/link: http://www.local6.com/news/18047637/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Just musing here, but if I was a juror in the Anthony case, I would hold out for capital murder (assuming the jury will learn what we know now). The result would either be a conviction and maybe that would motivate Casey to finally produce live Caylee, or a hung jury which would allow The State to re-try CA.

(Of course, I could change my mind tomorrow.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Like Forest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does." No one here believes her lie, so how well does she lie? I supose it depends who she is lying to that determins that.. I just answered my own question now didn't I.

LMAO She doesn't lie too damned well, but that doesn't keep her from practicing.

[deputydi]

I think they are going to have to put her on the stand due to the 911 calls. Just remember the demeanor of Cindy and Casey on the calls. Cindy is crying, she's frantic that Caylee needs to be found, she's distraught, she mentions Casey has been stealing. On the other hand, Casey is cool as a cucumber, no misery, no crying, no find my daughter. Just calmness. Tells a lot if you ask me.
They can play the 911 tapes without calling Cindy to the stand -- and you can bet the farm that they will. I can't think of any way Cindy's testimony for the prosecution is necessary. I seriously doubt they will call her. The defense is another story. They will use her to show what a good and doting mother Cindy was. I can't imagine the jury will believe her, but she will be used as a character witness.

[deputydi]

Seems like I've seen therapists and/or docs called to the stand in other cases even if they ultimately didn't testify. Presumably the purpose of having them refuse to testify would be to put a question or idea into the minds of the jurors. This is something that probably varies state to state and judge to judge (for that matter).
<snip>
Psychologists and psychiatrists are used as expert witnesses frequently so I'm sure you have seen trials where they have testified. The difference is they can't compel the therapist who treated Cindy to reveal anything that occurred during her sessions.

[mu8shark]

A 12 year old girl was just put into protective services this weekend because the house was too dirty with too many pets. I'm thinking that there is a difference between removing a child from the home and actually losing all parental rights. I see no reason why Caylee could not have been put under her grandmother's temporary custody while Casey got her act together, if ever. It seems Florida can take away a child for living in a dirty house (happens a lot from what I've seen on TV) and taking away a child because of parental neglect. I am sure if they did a hair test on Caylee while she was alive, drugs would have been found.

Gator But I think you are looking at what we now know or suspect after the fact. As far as Cindy knew she was being cared for supposedly by this nanny. There is no evidence that Caylee was living in filth nor did anyone suspect that I have heard she was being drugged. It would be hard for the state to test for something with no foundation. Now in hindsight you can say she would have been better off with Cindy, but I still disagree that you can go in and take a child on hunches. I think Casey was clever in that she appeared to be the good mother and even when child protective services came in after the fact, the only neglect they found was that Casey did not report her missing for 31 days. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I just don't see anything Cindy could of done legally.

[mu8shark]

Interesting stuff regarding the trial options.It sounds like Mr Mason wants to be Casey's attorney or is stumping for it. Also on that hair, it is not just any hair, it has a death band and Casey or Caylee's mitrochrondial dna. And that smell, there will be no directed verdict of acquittal. I think when you ask a defense attorney you always get this answer. If it was up to a defense attorney anytime they do not find the body, you reward the criminal for being very clever and acquit.

[mu8shark]

"The Anthonys said this proves that investigators are not searching for Caylee but instead are continuing to build a case against Casey Anthony" Well, duh they charged her so you know they have a pretty solid belief and are trying to convict her and therefore are building a case. That horse left the barn long ago. It also just proves the Anthonys are only interested in what serves their daughter. Getting Casey off has become their number one priority. I am not saying that is odd or unusual, just that the whereabouts of Caylee is not longer as important as getting Casey off.

[mu8shark]

The new spokeswoman for the Anthonys was on television and she said that it's been three days since the photo of the mystery child in the Mall of Millennia has been released and no one has come forward to say she's their child. As long as no one comes forward they are going to proceed as if that is Caylee. How stupid is that? They should all be aware that the Mall of Millennia is an upscale mall and probably 70 percent of the visitors are tourists. It's the closest mall to Disney and lots of European people shop there because it's mainly designer stores. I would say there is a very good possibility that the child and family are not even watching the news or have already left the country to go home. Every time I go there, I am asked where I come from? There is always surprise when I say Orlando.

GatorGreat local perspective!! It really helps others get the picture who do not live there. Also if that is Caylee, the kidnappers got her a nose job. If you blow that up, the nose is different. Caylee's is more turned up.

[mu8shark]

On the countersuit, I know Casey is going to claim it wasn't that Zenaida Gonzalez, but as a juror for me, that would be beside the point as there is no Zenaida Gonzalez period at Sawgrass except that one. And if you are going to make a public accusation using someone's name, you better think long and hard about it, before you disrupt and ruin their life .And as a juror I would teach her a lesson monetarily by socking it to her. Although Casey has no money and it would not make any difference, she should be made an example of. Maybe that is not the law but you can't just pick names out of a hat and call them a kidnapper. PS I had to change my avator to give my other dog some billing. LOL.

[deputydi]

But I think you are looking at what we now know or suspect after the fact. As far as Cindy knew she was being cared for supposedly by this nanny. There is no evidence that Caylee was living in filth nor did anyone suspect that I have heard she was being drugged. It would be hard for the state to test for something with no foundation. Now in hindsight you can say she would have been better off with Cindy, but I still disagree that you can go in and take a child on hunches. I think Casey was clever in that she appeared to be the good mother and even when child protective services came in after the fact, the only neglect they found was that Casey did not report her missing for 31 days. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I just don't see anything Cindy could of done legally.

You are exactly right! There are actually two different scenarios being talked about here. Temp removal from an unsafe home is waaaaaaay different than parental termination. One can happen almost instantly and the latter can take several years.

[mu8shark]

You are exactly right! There are actually two different scenarios being talked about here. Temp removal from an unsafe home is waaaaaaay different than parental termination. One can happen almost instantly and the latter can take several years. Exactly and I am willing to bet the child taken temporarily from the dirty home was returned after the mother was told to clean up the house and maybe they gave her some parenting classes. Then the state would monitor this home. I can't imagine parental rights were severed immediately I mean what would Cindy be able to point to in order to be allowed to take her child away, I think my daughter is partying, stealing money, None of that would go towards permanent severing of her rights and I doubt even temporary involvement. . This is a long , involved process in any state and my contention is that if Casey was drugging her, who knew or even suspected? Casey as is the case with most sociopaths was able to put her best face forward to the world. Even though I dislike Cindy's actions now, I can't blame her for not knowing that Casey was going to kill Caylee. There is just no way she could have known this.I don't even blame Cindy for putting her hands on Casey's neck. If ever someone needed a little neck wringing LOL!!!

[mu8shark]

If anybody can find a url for a transcript of Cindy's interview with the FBI, let me know and I will summarize it. I could only find the interview with local authorities. I don't get sound on my comp, something is broke and I need a new driver. But if anyone finds a transcript of FBI interview I will be glad to go summarize it. I can't find it yet.

[lorettalockhorn]

Psychologists and psychiatrists are used as expert witnesses frequently so I'm sure you have seen trials where they have testified. The difference is they can't compel the therapist who treated Cindy to reveal anything that occurred during her sessions.

No, I know the difference between expert witness testimony and a defendant's particular therapist's testimony. I've wracked my brains a little trying to think of a particular case (I think it was in AR), but I can't think of the details.

[lorettalockhorn]

On the countersuit, I know Casey is going to claim it wasn't that Zenaida Gonzalez, but as a juror for me, that would be beside the point as there is no Zenaida Gonzalez period at Sawgrass except that one. And if you are going to make a public accusation using someone's name, you better think long and hard about it, before you disrupt and ruin their life .And as a juror I would teach her a lesson monetarily by socking it to her. Although Casey has no money and it would not make any difference, she should be made an example of. Maybe that is not the law but you can't just pick names out of a hat and call them a kidnapper. PS I had to change my avator to give my other dog some billing. LOL.

What a cutie! Looks like our dog, Bubba from about 45 years ago. (BTW, my Dad's nickname is also Bubba. hehehe)

[mu8shark]

Here's my take on Henry Lee and Lawrence Kobe. Neither one is going to be able to get up there and say Oh it was definitely a pizza or that smell was categorically a dead squirrel. They may be able to say oh it might be this or that but they won't get up there and make up a story it was proven scientically frozen food, not gonna happen. Kobe is already backing off his theory and kind of wishy washy.I can see his strategy is to say ,"Well the body farm is new and should not be admitted or considered as a valid study. " But the hair band has been used in cases and the mitrochrondial dna is not new. So I am not all shook up because of their two witnesses with big names. I don't think the prosecution will be either. . Also ,someone said that George said Caylee did not talk about Amy, actually he did not say that as the tape indicates. He says she did not mention Annie, not Amy. And no wonder she did not mention Annie, I don't think there was an Annie present and around her every day. . Is Annie a friend of Casey's she saw on a regular basis? Or is Annie the supposedly one of Zenaida's friends or roomates. I still say if Zanny took care of her every day , took her to fun places like Disney, the Beach, the Park this very verbal child would at least answer George and tell him something.

[mu8shark]

Another thing I have been pondering is that obviously Casey will not testify, no lawyer is that dumb. However, the tape of her lying her ass off is coming in and that is going to do real damage. How are they going to combat that tape?

[deputydi]

What a cutie! Looks like our dog, Bubba from about 45 years ago. (BTW, my Dad's nickname is also Bubba. hehehe)
Speaking of avatars, I have to change mine soon. My avatar is my beloved Pierre who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge but I have more cuties that are very much alive. Maybe I'll find time this weekend.

[mu8shark]

What a cutie! Looks like our dog, Bubba from about 45 years ago. (BTW, my Dad's nickname is also Bubba. hehehe) My little cutie is named Kennedy and she is a nine year old Beagador, half Beagle , half Lab, but my boy dog is named Brody and I call him Bubba Boo all the time.! Lots of Bubba's in the world.

[deputydi]

Here's my take on Henry Lee and Lawrence Kobe. Neither one is going to be able to get up there and say Oh it was definitely a pizza or that smell was categorically a dead squirrel. They may be able to say oh it might be this or that but they won't get up there and make up a story it was proven scientically frozen food, not gonna happen. Kobe is already backing off his theory and kind of wishy washy.I can see his strategy is to say ,"Well the body farm is new and should not be admitted or considered as a valid study. " But the hair band has been used in cases and the mitrochrondial dna is not new. So I am not all shook up because of their two witnesses with big names. I don't think the prosecution will be either. . Also ,someone said that George said Caylee did not talk about Amy, actually he did not say that as the tape indicates. He says she did not mention Annie, not Amy. And no wonder she did not mention Annie, I don't think there was an Annie present and around her every day. . Is Annie a friend of Casey's she saw on a regular basis? Or is Annie the supposedly one of Zenaida's friends or roomates. I still say if Zanny took care of her every day , took her to fun places like Disney, the Beach, the Park this very verbal child would at least answer George and tell him something.
I hate to think my daughter was an atypical 3 year old, but at that age, I couldn't shut her up. If I asked her whether she had fun with the babysitter, she would give IN DETAIL everything they did from the time I walked out the door. Please someone -- tell me my child was not abnormal.

[mu8shark]

I hate to think my daughter was an atypical 3 year old, but at that age, I couldn't shut her up. If I asked her whether she had fun with the babysitter, she would give IN DETAIL everything they did from the time I walked out the door. Please someone -- tell me my child was not abnormal. When my nephew was about three he talked and talked ad nauseum and if you asked him a question about what he did, you were in for a long explanation. I think even if she could not remember what happened that day or did not go on and on like some kids do, she would show some recognition. I am not sure though if this is coming in , in any way unless George testifies to it and I am not sure how much of it would be hearsay.

[Twinners]

I hate to think my daughter was an atypical 3 year old, but at that age, I couldn't shut her up. If I asked her whether she had fun with the babysitter, she would give IN DETAIL everything they did from the time I walked out the door. Please someone -- tell me my child was not abnormal.
My son was slow to talk, but I have a three year old niece who never hushes!

Another thing to remember is that you were asking your daughter about people she actually knew. Caylee had no idea who Zany was, so when her grandparents asked her about her, she had no response to give them.

[mu8shark]

Found this blurb from an article about the Body Farm, relating to detecting the odor of decomposition and it was written in 2003. You notice he says it may take years to develop a test. I think this may be somewhat easy to challenge in one way, however, the jury is still going to wonder, what was that smell and why did so many people think it was a dead body? Anyways here is the blurb from the head man himself, Dr Bass. "Historically, scientists believed that decaying bodies released only a few ephemeral compounds, apart from cadaverine and putrescine, such as methane, ammonia, carbon dioxide and hydrogen sulfide. But Vass and colleagues have pushed the number of known compounds to about 450. That discovery is enabling a soon-to-be-released database dryly called Decompositional Order Analysis, and wryly abbreviated D.O.A.

Vass said 42 of the chemicals are produced in significant quantities, and he hopes to define a subset that is released in most or all instances of decomposition - a step that could help standardize the training of cadaver dogs. But going further to develop an artificial sensor capable of detecting the chemical signature of decay would likely require years, he said. " End quote . From a site called Taphophilia.com, which is a study of all things found in a cemetery.

[mu8shark]

Here's another basic study of decomposition odor. I am also posting this in our section that says Articles that pertain to potential evidence so if anyone wants to look at it when it comes up at trial, it won't be hard to find. 2008: Vass Arpad A; Smith Rob R; Thompson Cyril V; Burnett Michael N; Dulgerian Nishan; Eckenrode Brian A
Odor analysis of decomposing buried human remains.
Journal of forensic sciences 2008;53(2):384-91.
This study, conducted at the University of Tennessee's Anthropological Research Facility (ARF), lists and ranks the primary chemical constituents which define the odor of decomposition of human remains as detected at the soil surface of shallow burial sites. Triple sorbent traps were used to collect air samples in the field and revealed eight major classes of chemicals which now contain 478 specific volatile compounds associated with burial decomposition. Samples were analyzed using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (GC-MS) and were collected below and above the body, and at the soil surface of 1.5-3.5 ft. (0.46-1.07 m) deep burial sites of four individuals over a 4-year time span. New data were incorporated into the previously established Decompositional Odor Analysis (DOA) Database providing identification, chemical trends, and semi-quantitation of chemicals for evaluation. This research identifies the "odor signatures" unique to the decomposition of buried human remains with projected ramifications on human remains detection canine training procedures and in the development of field portable analytical instruments which can be used to locate human remains in shallow burial sites.

[deputydi]

When my nephew was about three he talked and talked ad nauseum and if you asked him a question about what he did, you were in for a long explanation. I think even if she could not remember what happened that day or did not go on and on like some kids do, she would show some recognition. I am not sure though if this is coming in , in any way unless George testifies to it and I am not sure how much of it would be hearsay.
I don't think it would fall under the hearsay rule. They have George on tape talking about his observation. It's only hearsay if George says someone else told him that Caylee showed no recognition when Zanny was mentioned.

[mu8shark]

I don't think it would fall under the hearsay rule. They have George on tape talking about his observation. It's only hearsay if George says someone else told him that Caylee showed no recognition when Zanny was mentioned. Yeah I guess I was thinking it was what he heard or did not hear Caylee say and you are probably right, he can probably testify as to his observations of the the child.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's my take on Henry Lee and Lawrence Kobe. Neither one is going to be able to get up there and say Oh it was definitely a pizza or that smell was categorically a dead squirrel. They may be able to say oh it might be this or that but they won't get up there and make up a story it was proven scientically frozen food, not gonna happen. Kobe is already backing off his theory and kind of wishy washy.I can see his strategy is to say ,"Well the body farm is new and should not be admitted or considered as a valid study. " But the hair band has been used in cases and the mitrochrondial dna is not new. So I am not all shook up because of their two witnesses with big names. I don't think the prosecution will be either. . Also ,someone said that George said Caylee did not talk about Amy, actually he did not say that as the tape indicates. He says she did not mention Annie, not Amy. And no wonder she did not mention Annie, I don't think there was an Annie present and around her every day. . Is Annie a friend of Casey's she saw on a regular basis? Or is Annie the supposedly one of Zenaida's friends or roomates. I still say if Zanny took care of her every day , took her to fun places like Disney, the Beach, the Park this very verbal child would at least answer George and tell him something.

RE: Kobe; wasn't able to pay super close attention to NG tonight, but I am very curious to know if Kobe has ever used the Body Farm's techniques to back up his testimony. There was quite a bit of talk tonight about whether or not their tests can be considered the be all and end all since they are the only ones performing certain tests that the defense needs to verify. Kobe may testify that the tests weren't able to be duplicated, but he may have used them in the past (to verify his own findings).

Lawsy, that probably doesn't make sense. I'll keep an eye out for the transcript and will try to catch Nancy again at midnight.

[lorettalockhorn]

Speaking of avatars, I have to change mine soon. My avatar is my beloved Pierre who is waiting at the Rainbow Bridge but I have more cuties that are very much alive. Maybe I'll find time this weekend.

Sorry to hear about Pierre, but he's in good company with so many of my kitty babies that you would call me The Crazy Cat Lady if I enumerated. They're great friends, no?

My little cutie is named Kennedy and she is a nine year old Beagador, half Beagle , half Lab, but my boy dog is named Brody and I call him Bubba Boo all the time.! Lots of Bubba's in the world.

Especially here in the South!

[mu8shark]

RE: Kobe; wasn't able to pay super close attention to NG tonight, but I am very curious to know if Kobe has ever used the Body Farm's techniques to back up his testimony. There was quite a bit of talk tonight about whether or not their tests can be considered the be all and end all since they are the only ones performing certain tests that the defense needs to verify. Kobe may testify that the tests weren't able to be duplicated, but he may have used them in the past (to verify his own findings).

Lawsy, that probably doesn't make sense. I'll keep an eye out for the transcript and will try to catch Nancy again at midnight. Well from what I can tell the air test or the odor test is very, very new. The Body Farm is not new nor is most of its research. The odor test is just one test that they do. However, Kobe may be right in that this odor test is not going to be admitted or particulary useful. I doubt Kobe has used this odor test in any of his cases, as I can't find it in any cases at all. He may have used the Body Farm for other cases. I am not saying it is not accurate or valid but if this was all they had , the odor test existing in a vacumm , honestly I think she would walk. However , that being said it is not standing alone, you have the post mortem hair banding, the Mtcr dna, the cadaver dogs who don't know anything about science or labs and many others among them Cindy, George and others who say that car smelled of a dead body. And you have all the lies. I think the defense may successfully challenge the odor test. I just can't find anything where it has been used in a court of law. And if I recall one of the defense attorneys on either Geraldo or NG pointed that out. But they have other evidence. I think for all the talk of forensics this case is going to come down to common sense and who else had a motive for Caylee to go 'missing.'?

[mu8shark]

Today on court tv (in another case) an attorney was saying that if the defense presents it to a jury that the crime could have been done by someone else, they can't just throw it out there and leave it at that. To be successful at that you have to try and show a motive someone else had, a nexus, a connection, show some suspicious behavior that would convince a jury, "Well yeah, it could of been that guy. And here is why " I am of course paraphrasing but I have been saying for a while if they go into court with someone else has her or someone else killed her, , we don't know who or why or where , it is not going to work. The defense absolutely does not have to prove anything but to a jury if you are not specific and you get too vague, it is the equivalent of shrugging your shoulders and saying, "Who knows, it just isn't my client, but who knows?" And I think that is going to be problematic. Think of all the people Cindy hints are suspicious. Amy, Jesse, Tony, Ricardo, to name a few. Give me one good , solid motive for one of these people a jury will buy. Tony had only known her like about two months, you know he is not going to involve himself in her child's life or death. Amy, why would Amy want to kidnap or kill Caylee? Ricardo and Jesse are just exes, who by the way took lie detector tests. By the way I know lie detectors can't be used to implicate people in court but can they be used to rule people out? Can they legally bring that up? Anyone know. Another one of my long , windy posts. LOL. You poor people. :biggrin:

[wind149]

I am confused! if Kobe and Lee are such experts, than why does the defense need the both of them? Isn't protocol that the prosecution calls in their experts and doctors and such and the defense does the same? Of course nothing about this case is normal so I guess I should not be too surprised, this trial is gonna rival the Simpson trial and it lasted what 9 months? And cost 2 million dollars? I have a feeling that is gonna drag on and on too, unless CA gives up where the child's body is. Today I had the pleasure of talking to one of Michigan's finest state troopers who is well versed in forensics and he is positive that the child is dead too and believes like we all do that the child died sometime in June and fears that if she went into alligator infested waters right off, they would have eaten her, but even alligators like their food fairy fresh, if the body was badly decomposed, marine life would feed off the body, insects, but he feels that she was placed in a garbage bag and deposited in a dumpster somewhere and he bases this one all the water and ground searches that have turned up nothing in Orlando anyway, and I asked him if he thought that she would have placed C near the home and he said it was hard to say, but he did say as most of us know that some serial killers are creatures of habit, like Gary Ridgeway, he put all his victims in and around the Green River, and it is plausible that she put the body in a dumpster in an area she knows.

He is disgusted with CA of course and also with the parents, he said like I did that it will be a recovery mission and he wishes like we, that C&G would start to accept that C is dead and stop wasting time and energy on supposed sightings when they should be talking to their daughter and I said that CA was extremely selfish and cruel to keep this charade going and he reminded me of the case here where a guy hacked his wife to death and I remember seeing the the area where her body ended up on a Detroit station and it was horrendous, and he too played a charade that she had been kidnapped and was weeping and wailing to the media for days, real loser, and then after trying an unsuccessful suicide attempt as he knew the game was about to come to an end, he admitted murdering her and hacking her up and putting her in garbage bags and then threw them in the woods in the UP and he got a life sentence as MI does not have the DP and he clearly deserved it as does CA! Tonight not much on NG to report, just the FBI tapes and boy, that Cindy is past on last nerve! She KNEW when she washed those slacks, her granddaughter was dead, and George knew the minute he smelled the decomp and they are just spinning their wheels and I know it is a cross between hell and hope, but as all of us know, the more time that passes on a missing person, and especially a child, if you don't find the child within 48 hours alive, chances are zilch, except for Elizabeth Smart, she was one lucky kid.

When 16 year old Molly Bish disappeared in MA in 2000, it would be three years before her body was found and no cause of death was ever established, it was too far gone to make a COD and her killer has never be caught either, and I remember seeing the Bish family on TV, on every MA station and all of us in NE prayed she would be found alive, but even 4 months later, he parents are realists, they realized that Molly was never coming home, they kept hope in their hearts and about a year or so they just wanted to find her body and bring her home for a proper burial. Another little girl disappeared from the same area before Molly, 9 year old Holly Piranine, and her body was discovered by hunters in the fall and no COD and her killer has never been caught either and some like me, feel it is the same guy and probably from the area and this is rural MA, not Boston, it is near Sturbridge Village. Molly disappeared while working as a life guard at a local pond and Holly disappeared after walking a short distance from her house enroute to her grandparents. Holly's parents also were realists and accepted her death as best as they could, everyone searched for these girls and if it wasn't for one vigilant ex-trooper, Molly's body would have never been found, he got a tip from a hunter that he had seen pieces of blue cloth in the woods about 20 miles from where she disappeared from and did not think anything of it till it dawned on him that Molly was wearing a blue bathing suit and sure enough, after digging around, Molly was found. I would like to see the puke that killed these girls get caught, their parents need justice for their girls.

And all CA has to do to end this, is to give up where she put C and I think kids, she is holding out for a deal. She figures the longer she holds out, that the DA will give her a break as long as she gives it up, don't forget we are talking about a self centered, vapid, shallow person who has only thought of herself since the day she was born and I feel that he should not cave, let her get the DP, if the Grand Jury came down with a capital murder indictment against her now, the jury on her trial will do the same. Her lies, her manipulations, her total lack of concern, her jailhouse conversations are gonna bite her right in the ass, all stacked against her now and every day more revelations come into play, she looking up on the net to make chloroform, watching movies about kidnapped and dead children, her text messages, the racing past her father to open the trunk and then the DNa evidence and juries like DNA evidence, it can't be disputed, the hair sample with the dark band, the body fluids and the decomp, she is going down and hard!

[lorettalockhorn]

Well from what I can tell the air test or the odor test is very, very new. The Body Farm is not new nor is most of its research. The odor test is just one test that they do. However, Kobe may be right in that this odor test is not going to be admitted or particulary useful. I doubt Kobe has used this odor test in any of his cases, as I can't find it in any cases at all. He may have used the Body Farm for other cases. I am not saying it is not accurate or valid but if this was all they had , the odor test existing in a vacumm , honestly I think she would walk. However , that being said it is not standing alone, you have the post mortem hair banding, the Mtcr dna, the cadaver dogs who don't know anything about science or labs and many others among them Cindy, George and others who say that car smelled of a dead body. And you have all the lies. I think the defense may successfully challenge the odor test. I just can't find anything where it has been used in a court of law. And if I recall one of the defense attorneys on either Geraldo or NG pointed that out. But they have other evidence. I think for all the talk of forensics this case is going to come down to common sense and who else had a motive for Caylee to go 'missing.'?

True the Body Farm isn't new; I first heard of the UT research facility when I was a physical anthropology major in the early 70s. I think Patricia Cornwell actually gave it the name "Body Farm" much later. The defense has only three witnesses, and it seems to me that they possibly might give the jury the appearance of accepting some tests to be accurate/cutting edge/acceptable when convenient. But I could be prejudiced considering that I may have read things that they jury may never hear.

I don't see a problem convicting Casey with only the circumstantial evidence available, but I guess that depends on how good Baez and the death qualified attorney are. IF a death qualified attorney will even be needed.

[mu8shark]

True the Body Farm isn't new; I first heard of the UT research facility when I was a physical anthropology major in the early 70s. I think Patricia Cornwell actually gave it the name "Body Farm" much later. The defense has only three witnesses, and it seems to me that they possibly might give the jury the appearance of accepting some tests to be accurate/cutting edge/acceptable when convenient. But I could be prejudiced considering that I may have read things that they jury may never hear.

I don't see a problem convicting Casey with only the circumstantial evidence available, but I guess that depends on how good Baez and the death qualified attorney are. IF a death qualified attorney will even be needed. I agree with your whole post esp if a death qualified attorney will be needed . I kind of doubt they will go for the death penalty and have not announced it one way or the other for sure, to keep Ms. Liar, Liar pants on fire, guessing, hoping she might give up something in exchange for life. She will never cave though is my prediction.

[mu8shark]

I have a weird question, could the jury be taken to view/smell the car? Has anything like that ever be done? I mean, could that even be part of a trial?

[One2Snoop]

I am confused! if Kobe and Lee are such experts, than why does the defense need the both of them? Isn't protocol that the prosecution calls in their experts and doctors and such and the defense does the same? Of course nothing about this case is normal so I guess I should not be too surprised, this trial is gonna rival the Simpson trial and it lasted what 9 months? And cost 2 million dollars? I have a feeling that is gonna drag on and on too, unless CA gives up where the child's body is. Today I had the pleasure of talking to one of Michigan's finest state troopers who is well versed in forensics and he is positive that the child is dead too and believes like we all do that the child died sometime in June and fears that if she went into alligator infested waters right off, they would have eaten her, but even alligators like their food fairy fresh, if the body was badly decomposed, marine life would feed off the body, insects, but he feels that she was placed in a garbage bag and deposited in a dumpster somewhere and he bases this one all the water and ground searches that have turned up nothing in Orlando anyway, and I asked him if he thought that she would have placed C near the home and he said it was hard to say, but he did say as most of us know that some serial killers are creatures of habit, like Gary Ridgeway, he put all his victims in and around the Green River, and it is plausible that she put the body in a dumpster in an area she knows.

He is disgusted with CA of course and also with the parents, he said like I did that it will be a recovery mission and he wishes like we, that C&G would start to accept that C is dead and stop wasting time and energy on supposed sightings when they should be talking to their daughter and I said that CA was extremely selfish and cruel to keep this charade going and he reminded me of the case here where a guy hacked his wife to death and I remember seeing the the area where her body ended up on a Detroit station and it was horrendous, and he too played a charade that she had been kidnapped and was weeping and wailing to the media for days, real loser, and then after trying an unsuccessful suicide attempt as he knew the game was about to come to an end, he admitted murdering her and hacking her up and putting her in garbage bags and then threw them in the woods in the UP and he got a life sentence as MI does not have the DP and he clearly deserved it as does CA! Tonight not much on NG to report, just the FBI tapes and boy, that Cindy is past on last nerve! She KNEW when she washed those slacks, her granddaughter was dead, and George knew the minute he smelled the decomp and they are just spinning their wheels and I know it is a cross between hell and hope, but as all of us know, the more time that passes on a missing person, and especially a child, if you don't find the child within 48 hours alive, chances are zilch, except for Elizabeth Smart, she was one lucky kid.

When 16 year old Molly Bish disappeared in MA in 2000, it would be three years before her body was found and no cause of death was ever established, it was too far gone to make a COD and her killer has never be caught either, and I remember seeing the Bish family on TV, on every MA station and all of us in NE prayed she would be found alive, but even 4 months later, he parents are realists, they realized that Molly was never coming home, they kept hope in their hearts and about a year or so they just wanted to find her body and bring her home for a proper burial. Another little girl disappeared from the same area before Molly, 9 year old Holly Piranine, and her body was discovered by hunters in the fall and no COD and her killer has never been caught either and some like me, feel it is the same guy and probably from the area and this is rural MA, not Boston, it is near Sturbridge Village. Molly disappeared while working as a life guard at a local pond and Holly disappeared after walking a short distance from her house enroute to her grandparents. Holly's parents also were realists and accepted her death as best as they could, everyone searched for these girls and if it wasn't for one vigilant ex-trooper, Molly's body would have never been found, he got a tip from a hunter that he had seen pieces of blue cloth in the woods about 20 miles from where she disappeared from and did not think anything of it till it dawned on him that Molly was wearing a blue bathing suit and sure enough, after digging around, Molly was found. I would like to see the puke that killed these girls get caught, their parents need justice for their girls.

And all CA has to do to end this, is to give up where she put C and I think kids, she is holding out for a deal. She figures the longer she holds out, that the DA will give her a break as long as she gives it up, don't forget we are talking about a self centered, vapid, shallow person who has only thought of herself since the day she was born and I feel that he should not cave, let her get the DP, if the Grand Jury came down with a capital murder indictment against her now, the jury on her trial will do the same. Her lies, her manipulations, her total lack of concern, her jailhouse conversations are gonna bite her right in the ass, all stacked against her now and every day more revelations come into play, she looking up on the net to make chloroform, watching movies about kidnapped and dead children, her text messages, the racing past her father to open the trunk and then the DNa evidence and juries like DNA evidence, it can't be disputed, the hair sample with the dark band, the body fluids and the decomp, she is going down and hard!

Nope you shouldn't be surprised. I believe its being done to cause confusion (think OJ Simpson) and reasonable doubt. It's a game which shouldn't be allowed in a courtroom IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I have a weird question, could the jury be taken to view/smell the car? Has anything like that ever be done? I mean, could that even be part of a trial?

Smelling the car doesn't sound any more unreasonable than the rocking the boat that the Peterson jury did. Does it?

I realize my last posts made me sound like a fidiot, but I'm thinking that unless Kobe testifies differently than he expounds on NG, the jury is going to think he's around the bend in this case.

Just what the heck are these witnesses doing on NG anyway? And could NOT believe Mr. Grund tonight. He made is sound like he was willing to work some kind of deal with George if only George would come clean with him.

[lorettalockhorn]

(LOL) My niece jokes and calls me Cat Lady.... but since you gals are OT, Please say prayers tonite for my Rocco (kitty) he is very sick and I've resigned myself to the fact that despite trying, I can't help him. I'm bringing him to the Animal Hospital in the am......The kids and my husband have said their 'goodnites' to him..........as for me, looks like I'm not going to sleep (again) tonite...........just going to hug him all nite. He's only 11, but I have to let him go........:rose:

He'll be in good company........

So sorry to hear that. I truly believe that one of the most honorable things you can do in life is euthanize your pet(s) if and when it comes to that.

[One2Snoop]

I have a weird question, could the jury be taken to view/smell the car? Has anything like that ever be done? I mean, could that even be part of a trial?

IIRC they took the Scott Peterson Jury on fieldtrips. Anythings possible - not sure if I've ever heard of a jury taken somewhere to smell death in a car before though, but that doesn't mean its never happened cause you know I don't know everything LOL. ;) I'm curious about this too.

[mu8shark]

(LOL) My niece jokes and calls me Cat Lady.... but since you gals are OT, Please say prayers tonite for my Rocco (kitty) he is very sick and I've resigned myself to the fact that despite trying, I can't help him. I'm bringing him to the Animal Hospital in the am......The kids and my husband have said their 'goodnites' to him..........as for me, looks like I'm not going to sleep (again) tonite...........just going to hug him all nite. He's only 11, but I have to let him go........:rose:

He'll be in good company........ Aw, I feel so bad for you. My dogs are eight and nine and I think about when I have to let them go and I know it will be an impossibly hard day.But then I tell myself to enjoy them in the here and now. I wish you the best . I know it must be hard.

[mu8shark]

Smelling the car doesn't sound any more unreasonable than the rocking the boat that the Peterson jury did. Does it?

I realize my last posts made me sound like a fidiot, but I'm thinking that unless Kobe testifies differently than he expounds on NG, the jury is going to think he's around the bend in this case.

Just what the heck are these witnesses doing on NG anyway? And could NOT believe Mr. Grund tonight. He made is sound like he was willing to work some kind of deal with George if only George would come clean with him. Well the prosecution has asked for copies of NG transcripts and I have a feeling that Kobe's appearing on there is going to bite them in the butt because if you go back , he has made some conflicting statements. And you know what I think you are right, if he is going to testify the way he is on NG, the jury is going to go WHAT?

[One2Snoop]

Smelling the car doesn't sound any more unreasonable than the rocking the boat that the Peterson jury did. Does it?

I realize my last posts made me sound like a fidiot, but I'm thinking that unless Kobe testifies differently than he expounds on NG, the jury is going to think he's around the bend in this case.

Just what the heck are these witnesses doing on NG anyway? And could NOT believe Mr. Grund tonight. He made is sound like he was willing to work some kind of deal with George if only George would come clean with him.

Huh? :eek: Grund said what? I missed NG and all the news updates today. I'll check to see if the NG transcript is up yet.

[lorettalockhorn]

Huh? :eek: Grund said what? I missed NG and all the news updates today. I'll check to see if the NG transcript is up yet.

I'm telling you, it was surreal. My interpretation was that Grund was giving GA opportunities to tell him what was going on with Casey before he talked to LE. Um why wouldn't he just tell LE everything that he knows truthfully from the get go? Maybe I'm just dazed.

[mu8shark]

I'm telling you, it was surreal. My interpretation was that Grund was giving GA opportunities to tell him what was going on with Casey before he talked to LE. Um why wouldn't he just tell LE everything that he knows truthfully from the get go? Maybe I'm just dazed. One thing I got from it is that Mr Grund knows a lot about the family because Casey would tell the Grunds about everything at the dinner table, about George's gambling, his cheating on Cindy, etc. And I think if George and Cindy were willing to keep Jesse out of things , he, Mr Grund would keep quiet about anything he knew about the Anthonys troubles, but once Cindy began to suggest maybe Jesse had something to do with Caylee's disappearance,, he would tell anyone who asked, including Nancy, anything they wanted to know about the Anthonys personal troubles told to him via Casey.I mean you dog and accuse his son and all bets are off. And you know I think he feels like he has been stabbed in the back. But he better get in line because lots of people probably are not crazy about Cindy suggesting that Casey did not do away with Caylee, but everyone else is suspect.

[lorettalockhorn]

One thing I got from it is that Mr Grund knows a lot about the family because Casey would tell the Grunds about everything at the dinner table, about George's gambling, his cheating on Cindy, etc. And I think if George and Cindy were willing to keep Jesse out of things , he, Mr Grund would keep quiet about anything he knew about the Anthonys troubles, but once Cindy began to suggest maybe Jesse had something to do with Caylee's disappearance,, he would tell anyone who asked, including Nancy, anything they wanted to know about the Anthonys personal troubles told to him via Casey.I mean you dog and accuse his son and all bets are off. And you know I think he feels like he has been stabbed in the back. But he better get in line because lots of people probably are not crazy about Cindy suggesting that Casey did not do away with Caylee, but everyone else is suspect.

I could have easily misinterpreted, but I'm not sure why Grund thinks that he would be obligated to volunteer personal information about the Anthonys that came from Casey, unless he felt it had something to do with motive for her crimes. If he feels stabbed in the back, I don't blame him one bit. Of course like so many of NG's guests, he was wandering from the question somewhat, so it would have been easy for me to have missed his point.

[One2Snoop]

I looked about 15 minutes ago and the NG transcript wasn't up yet. I've had a long day - time for me to say good night. :seeya:

[Twinners]

I looked about 15 minutes ago and the NG transcript wasn't up yet. I've had a long day - time for me to say good night. :seeya:
Thanks, One2Snoop! Have a good night! :seeya:

I checked for the transcript just now. It's up. Here's the stuff from Grund.
GRACE: Joining us right now is an exclusive guest tonight, Richard Grund, this is Jesse Grund`s father out of Orlando. Before we go to him, take a listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

G. ANTHONY: Richard Grund, G-R-U-N-D. He and my wife spoke probably about 10-15 minutes last night because I was doing other things. I didn`t get a chance to call him back.

And there was a little heated discussion from Richard with my wife. My wife, I believe, handled very, very diplomatically. And he said he`s going to bring up all this stuff about our daughter being a liar and all this stuff. So I don`t know where this is all going at the moment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Out to Richard Grund, Jesse Grund`s father, what do you make of that?

RICHARD GRUND, FATHER OF JESSE GRUND, CASEY ANTHONY`S EX-FIANCE: I have to tell you I was pretty shocked to be listening to this testimony and about four minutes in to hear my name mentioned and to hear -- for no reason, the FBI didn`t ask him anything, George just felt compelled to tell him about my conversation with Cindy. So I`m shocked and really disappointed in George.

GRACE: Well, under the circumstances, though, Richard, they -- can`t find their granddaughter. They think maybe their daughter`s implicated, I have to cut them some slack but what things did Casey Anthony tell you?

GRUND: Well, you know, Nancy, you may want to cut him some slack but when you have been in their living room three nights before hugging their neck telling them, look, we love you and we`ll do anything for you.

GRACE: True.

GRUND: And then you find out they`re trying to implicate your son for the sake of their daughter, I have a little hard time with that.

GRACE: Agree. Agree. What did Casey Anthony tell you?

GRUND: Casey would sit at our dinner table while she waited for Jesse to get home from work and she would just vent. She would just tell me everything what was going on in her family`s life, how much she hated her father for the gambling debts and losing $30,000 of the family`s money, not $10,000.

The fact that she thought her father was cheating on her mother. She didn`t want him to come home. She told me about, you know, a lot of the inner workings. And I`m not sure what it was that got them startled enough that they wanted to do a proactive thing and tell the FBI, but I just basically told Cindy Anthony after hearing one of their lawyers slander my son, I said that`s it. I`m just going to answer any question anybody has about you and your family.

GRACE: And tell me something, did you and George Anthony have a conversation at a prayer vigil?

GRUND: Yes.

GRACE: What happened?

GRUND: The second week of the prayer vigil was Sunday the 27th, I think. I had actually contacted George that morning. I was going to start calling in favors from my friends in law enforcement and military intelligence and see what I could find out, but I gave him the message and said, George, if I`m going to harm Caylee by shaking the trees, let me know.

He immediately called me up and said, look, I want to talk to you. I`ve been wanting to talk to you. We tried to meet that afternoon. Then he said why don`t you come by the prayer vigil. Well, my wife and I went to the prayer vigil and stood there for three hours while George disappeared.

Finally Lee said, look, come inside and sit down with us. George finally came out about 11:00 and walked us out to the car. I hit him with a couple of things. I said, George, what about the smell in the car? I said you know what that smell is. And he said, well, yes, it could be this. It could be that.

And I said, no, you know what that smell is. If it`s not Caylee, who is it? He goes, I don`t know. And then I asked , you know, him about Casey. And he`s finally said, look, I believe my daughter finally ripped off the wrong person. And as I was leaving I looked at him and I said, George, what has your daughter gotten herself into?

And this is after him telling me I know my daughter hasn`t had a job in two years. I know that. And he said, I don`t know what she`s got herself into.

Link to the full transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/24/ng.01.html
I'm with Nancy on cutting George some slack on telling the FBI about his conversation with Cindy. It strikes me as odd, though, that Grund got that angry because he did. It seems like anyone that has had anything to do with Casey, Caylee and/or the Anthony's, in general, since Caylee's birth has been mentioned and looked at by the police. I don't know why he feels he and his family should be the exception to that rule, especially when there had been some recent contact between Casey and their son.

I had to roll my eyes at what he said regarding Casey's thoughts about her dad losing all that money. Of course she was upset about it. She probably wanted to take it herself.

ETA: Oh, and I had a huge WTF? moment when he said he wondered what got them startled enough to talk to the FBI. Uh, how about the fact that their grandchild is missing?

[mu8shark]

I could have easily misinterpreted, but I'm not sure why Grund thinks that he would be obligated to volunteer personal information about the Anthonys that came from Casey, unless he felt it had something to do with motive for her crimes. If he feels stabbed in the back, I don't blame him one bit. Of course like so many of NG's guests, he was wandering from the question somewhat, so it would have been easy for me to have missed his point.My personal opinion is that what he knows probably has very little to do with the case at all but his way of getting back at the Anthony family for dogging his son is volunteering Casey's stories publicly, like he is airing their dirty laundry. Problem with that is, if Casey said it, who knows if it is true? LOL. I mean right? :seeya:

[Twinners]

Another Search Planned for Caylee Anthony
Monday, November 24, 2008
filed under: crime

Will Leonard Padilla finally find the remains of missing Caylee Marie?

Leonard Padilla is not a man who gives up easily. According to WESH in Florida, he plans to resume his search for missing toddler Caylee Anthony with $50,000 supplied by an anonymous donor. Earlier this month, the controversial bounty hunter sent divers into the Econ River in search of the little girl's remains.

Padilla claims his divers pulled up small bones, toys and a shamrock -- Caylee's mother Casey Anthony's favorite symbol -- weighted down in a bag by bricks. Not only were the finding's deemed unrelated to the missing toddler, Sgt. Carlos Padilla (no relation), of the Orange County Sheriffs Office says Padilla's itemization of the bags contents were false.

"Padilla claimed the bag was held down with bricks, but there were no bricks," Sgt. Padilla told momlogic, "and no shamrock, just a Gumby refrigerator magnet and little stones, little pebbles."
http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/leonard_padilla_caylee_anthony.php

[mu8shark]

I could have easily misinterpreted, but I'm not sure why Grund thinks that he would be obligated to volunteer personal information about the Anthonys that came from Casey, unless he felt it had something to do with motive for her crimes. If he feels stabbed in the back, I don't blame him one bit. Of course like so many of NG's guests, he was wandering from the question somewhat, so it would have been easy for me to have missed his point.Poor George you know when you think about it, he has taken the brunt for all of Cindy's little devious plots. I sometimes feel bad for him, if Cindy saw his interview with the FBI at all, you know she feels betrayed for Casey and it can't be pleasant at home. Now, he has Mr Grund mad at him. On the other hand I kind of agree with the poster who said he needs to man up. On another site they call him hammerhead, which really made me laugh. I guess because of him wielding the hammer in front of the protestors or was that Cindy? Anyhow the same site calls Cindy bat girl which I don't quite get but the hammerhead is somewhat funny. I guess I am being mean!

[mu8shark]

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/leonard_padilla_caylee_anthony.php Well I will tell you one thing the comment Leonard made about Casey not being the type of girl to go into the woods struck me as absolutely true. I can't see her getting the least bit dirty. The idea that she borrowed the shovel to do some sort of work out in the back of the yard was just laughable. I bet that lazy b i t c h barely makes her bed. I am just sayin.....

[Twinners]

Well I will tell you one thing the comment Leonard made about Casey not being the type of girl to go into the woods struck me as absolutely true. I can't see her getting the least bit dirty. The idea that she borrowed the shovel to do some sort of work out in the back of the yard was just laughable. I bet that lazy b i t c h barely makes her bed. I am just sayin.....
I know! I completely agree with you!

I'm still reading through the NG transcript from tonight. I thought this comment from LP was very interesting.
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPING TO SEARCH FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: The shovel she borrowed from the neighbor she returned to the neighbor and the detectives from the Orange County Sheriff`s Office were seen carrying it in a bag, and it`s probably still sitting in the Orange County Sheriff`s Office evidence locker.

There was no sighting of her that`s valid as far as going or coming out of a forest. Casey would never step five foot into the brush. She just not geared that way. The shovel was used in the backyard that day to fish her child out of the pool after she tried to fake a drowning.
Has he tossed that idea out there before now?

[mu8shark]

I know! I completely agree with you!

I'm still reading through the NG transcript from tonight. I thought this comment from LP was very interesting.

Has he tossed that idea out there before now?Yes, Leonard has mentioned this before. I think it goes back to the ladder story and how Cindy and George can't figure out how the ladder was left down. Initially I think police thought Caylee had drowned accidentally in the pool and then the forensic results from the comp came back about how she looked up chloroform and the report that the trunk was saturated, so the police I think got off the drowning theory. But I think the dogs alerted around or near the pool and Leonard is trying to fit this in, but yes he has mentioned this before. Nancy kind of glosses over it. This is how the area is described on one of the dog hits relating to the pool." Cadaver dogs hit twice in the back yard in a slight depression at the far side of the pool " I believe there were other areas as well by the playhouse.

[mu8shark]

Poor George you know when you think about it, he has taken the brunt for all of Cindy's little devious plots. I sometimes feel bad for him, if Cindy saw his interview with the FBI at all, you know she feels betrayed for Casey and it can't be pleasant at home. Now, he has Mr Grund mad at him. On the other hand I kind of agree with the poster who said he needs to man up. On another site they call him hammerhead, which really made me laugh. I guess because of him wielding the hammer in front of the protestors or was that Cindy? Anyhow the same site calls Cindy bat girl which I don't quite get but the hammerhead is somewhat funny. I guess I am being mean!Okay I get the batgirl reference as I forgot Cindy was armed with a bat one day. It is definitely time for me to go to bed as I am answering my own post!

[Woostock]

wind149
The Molly Bish case was such a compelling case. That family is the antithesis of the Anthony family. Many of us were out looking for her and her father, who is a wonderful person, has had major health issues. I often think of them and the effect it had on the whole family. I am sitting here crying now just thinking of it;......

[deputydi]

(LOL) My niece jokes and calls me Cat Lady.... but since you gals are OT, Please say prayers tonite for my Rocco (kitty) he is very sick and I've resigned myself to the fact that despite trying, I can't help him. I'm bringing him to the Animal Hospital in the am......The kids and my husband have said their 'goodnites' to him..........as for me, looks like I'm not going to sleep (again) tonite...........just going to hug him all nite. He's only 11, but I have to let him go........:rose:

He'll be in good company........
Your post gave me chills. It's so hard to let go even if you know you're doing the kindest thing for Rocco. Pierre was 14 when he died and I honestly thought I'd never stop crying. I obviously did and I can now actually talk about him and smile. Do you know the story of the Rainbow Bridge? I read it over and over and over when Pierre was sick and it gave me comfort when he passed.

[jas72]

I know! I completely agree with you!

I'm still reading through the NG transcript from tonight. I thought this comment from LP was very interesting.

Has he tossed that idea out there before now?


I also got this from the NG transcript.


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPING TO SEARCH FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: The shovel she borrowed from the neighbor she returned to the neighbor and the detectives from the Orange County Sheriff`s Office were seen carrying it in a bag, and it`s probably still sitting in the Orange County Sheriff`s Office evidence locker.

There was no sighting of her that`s valid as far as going or coming out of a forest. Casey would never step five foot into the brush. She just not geared that way. The shovel was used in the backyard that day to fish her child out of the pool after she tried to fake a drowning.

GRACE: OK. To Mark Williams of WNDB...


Who uses a shovel to fish a body from a swimming pool? Why does LP state that as fact and not as a theory? And for heaven's sake, why doesn't NG call him on it? If Casey did drown Caylee, wouldn't she just leave her in the pool so someone else could discover her? She would be at home, maybe in the kitchen, and one of her parents comes home and says, "Hi, Casey. Where's Caylee?" "Oh, she's playing in her room." "No she's not. I just checked." Then one of them would go in the back yard and discover poor Caylee in the pool while Casey screams in mock horror that her little daughter must have snuck out while she wasn't looking. OK, so if Casey did do that, and for whatever reason as apparently LP theorizes, decides that that idea won't work, I do not believe for a minute that Casey would think to herself, "I've got to get her out of that pool. But how? I know. I'll go borrow a shovel and fish her out." Genius! I can't for the life of me figure out why that would work. Little Caylee was probably at least 30 to 40 lbs and I don't think that Casey could lift her with a shovel. By "fish her out" maybe LP meant that Caylee's body was floating out of Casey's reach, and a shovel was used to just reel her in, but surely there was something that the Anthony's had that would have worked. A shovel is for digging.
I'm sorry, but I think LP has had his 15 minutes and is totally not relevant any longer as far as I'm concerned. Can anyone tell me what he adds? He spent, what, one week with the Anthonys and he's on NG continually? Why does he continue to get air time? I've already ranted on his wearing a cowboy hat all the time, so I won't go there again. Oops! I just did, didn't I?

[Donna]

I'm with Nancy on cutting George some slack on telling the FBI about his conversation with Cindy.



The Anthonys have done more than simply report on their conversations with Jesse. From the very first, they've done their best to move suspicion from their daughter to Mr. Grund's son.

Basically, what they've been attempting to do is subtly accuse Mr. Grund's son with the kidnap and murder of a 2 yr. old.

Thank heaven the Anthonys are stupid and tone deaf.

If that was *my* son, it would be Katie, Bar the Door, and I would be coming after them with everything I had.

Donna

[lorettalockhorn]

I also got this from the NG transcript.


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPING TO SEARCH FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: The shovel she borrowed from the neighbor she returned to the neighbor and the detectives from the Orange County Sheriff`s Office were seen carrying it in a bag, and it`s probably still sitting in the Orange County Sheriff`s Office evidence locker.

There was no sighting of her that`s valid as far as going or coming out of a forest. Casey would never step five foot into the brush. She just not geared that way. The shovel was used in the backyard that day to fish her child out of the pool after she tried to fake a drowning.

GRACE: OK. To Mark Williams of WNDB...


Who uses a shovel to fish a body from a swimming pool? Why does LP state that as fact and not as a theory? And for heaven's sake, why doesn't NG call him on it? If Casey did drown Caylee, wouldn't she just leave her in the pool so someone else could discover her? She would be at home, maybe in the kitchen, and one of her parents comes home and says, "Hi, Casey. Where's Caylee?" "Oh, she's playing in her room." "No she's not. I just checked." Then one of them would go in the back yard and discover poor Caylee in the pool while Casey screams in mock horror that her little daughter must have snuck out while she wasn't looking. OK, so if Casey did do that, and for whatever reason as apparently LP theorizes, decides that that idea won't work, I do not believe for a minute that Casey would think to herself, "I've got to get her out of that pool. But how? I know. I'll go borrow a shovel and fish her out." Genius! I can't for the life of me figure out why that would work. Little Caylee was probably at least 30 to 40 lbs and I don't think that Casey could lift her with a shovel. By "fish her out" maybe LP meant that Caylee's body was floating out of Casey's reach, and a shovel was used to just reel her in, but surely there was something that the Anthony's had that would have worked. A shovel is for digging.
I'm sorry, but I think LP has had his 15 minutes and is totally not relevant any longer as far as I'm concerned. Can anyone tell me what he adds? He spent, what, one week with the Anthonys and he's on NG continually? Why does he continue to get air time? I've already ranted on his wearing a cowboy hat all the time, so I won't go there again. Oops! I just did, didn't I?

I don't get any of Padilla's ish. And it makes zero sense to me that Casey would borrow a shovel instead of using the skimmer or whatever to fish Caylee out of the pool. Or better yet, scream "Call 911" at the top of her lungs and leap into the pool to pull her out. She'd be a hero that way instead of a pariah. Until the autopsy, that is.

[lorettalockhorn]

>>GRUND: The second week of the prayer vigil was Sunday the 27th, I think. I had actually contacted George that morning. I was going to start calling in favors from my friends in law enforcement and military intelligence and see what I could find out, but I gave him the message and said, George, if I`m going to harm Caylee by shaking the trees, let me know.

This is part of what caught my meager attention last night. I thought that Grund said "if I'm going to harm Casey....." So on the one hand Grund knows that George knows that he smelled death in the car, but he's going along with the kidnapping theory? And then later he remarks that he'll call in all his favors with LE (or however he stated it). Like LE isn't moving heaven and earth to figure this thing out?

Sorry, but as wronged at Jesse Grund seems to have been (done) and the Grund family in general, I think Richard Grund is trying to inject himself into this situation.

[Twinners]

I don't get any of Padilla's ish. And it makes zero sense to me that Casey would borrow a shovel instead of using the skimmer or whatever to fish Caylee out of the pool. Or better yet, scream "Call 911" at the top of her lungs and leap into the pool to pull her out. She'd be a hero that way instead of a pariah. Until the autopsy, that is.
I don't get any of it either, Loretta. If I recall correctly, Casey borrowed the shovel from the neighbors about 48 hours after Caylee was last seen by her grandfather. Unless I'm mistaken, rigor mortis would've still been an issue during that time period. IMO, because of that, there is no way anyone would believe Caylee had just drowned in that pool.

[deputydi]

<snip>Who uses a shovel to fish a body from a swimming pool? Why does LP state that as fact and not as a theory? And for heaven's sake, why doesn't NG call him on it? If Casey did drown Caylee, wouldn't she just leave her in the pool so someone else could discover her? She would be at home, maybe in the kitchen, and one of her parents comes home and says, "Hi, Casey. Where's Caylee?" "Oh, she's playing in her room." "No she's not. I just checked." Then one of them would go in the back yard and discover poor Caylee in the pool while Casey screams in mock horror that her little daughter must have snuck out while she wasn't looking. OK, so if Casey did do that, and for whatever reason as apparently LP theorizes, decides that that idea won't work, I do not believe for a minute that Casey would think to herself, "I've got to get her out of that pool. But how? I know. I'll go borrow a shovel and fish her out." Genius! I can't for the life of me figure out why that would work. Little Caylee was probably at least 30 to 40 lbs and I don't think that Casey could lift her with a shovel. By "fish her out" maybe LP meant that Caylee's body was floating out of Casey's reach, and a shovel was used to just reel her in, but surely there was something that the Anthony's had that would have worked. A shovel is for digging.
I'm sorry, but I think LP has had his 15 minutes and is totally not relevant any longer as far as I'm concerned. Can anyone tell me what he adds? He spent, what, one week with the Anthonys and he's on NG continually? Why does he continue to get air time? I've already ranted on his wearing a cowboy hat all the time, so I won't go there again. Oops! I just did, didn't I?
No one does -- that's just stupid. I agree that he is spouting off theories and presenting them as facts. He, obviously, has never spent time on a message board. LOL.

His 15 minutes is OVER and, until he has something valid to contribute, NG should stop inviting him on her show.

I respect the fact that he is searching for Caylee and don't really think he should stop. The problem is, I don't believe she will ever be found.

[jas72]

I don't get any of it either, Loretta. If I recall correctly, Casey borrowed the shovel from the neighbors about 48 hours after Caylee was last seen by her grandfather. Unless I'm mistaken, rigor mortis would've still been an issue during that time period. IMO, because of that, there is no way anyone would believe Caylee had just drowned in that pool.

Thanks for the 48-hour lapse info. That leads me to believe even more that LP doesn't know what he's talking about. Just what exactly is a "fake drowning?" Caylee either drowned, or she didn't. Maybe he means a fake "accidental" drowning. That makes more sense, but certainly not grabbing a shovel to recover a victim from a fake "accidental" drowning.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't get any of it either, Loretta. If I recall correctly, Casey borrowed the shovel from the neighbors about 48 hours after Caylee was last seen by her grandfather. Unless I'm mistaken, rigor mortis would've still been an issue during that time period. IMO, because of that, there is no way anyone would believe Caylee had just drowned in that pool.

Thanks for the 48 hours reminder. Rigor sets in after a certain period, but I believe that it dissipates or goes away or something. Note to self: look that up. For the fake/fake accidental or whatever drowning to be successful, Caylee would have had to have pool water in her lungs. Maybe Casey realized that and decided to abandon that scenario. At any rate, the Anthonys would have had something to get Caylee out of the pool without Casey having to borrow the shovel. That's just whack. However, it would be difficult to dig a shallow grave with a pool skimmer; they're not very sturdy.

[jas72]

.... For the fake/fake accidental or whatever drowning to be successful, Caylee would have had to have pool water in her lungs. Maybe Casey realized that and decided to abandon that scenario...


OK, I think I get it now. LP is surmising that after Caylee was already dead, by whatever means, Casey may have thought of putting her in the pool to make it appear that she had accidentally drowned. So he thinks that Casey actually did so, had a sudden epiphany and said, "But wait! There won't be any water in her lungs. Dang it. Now I've got to get her out of the pool. Guess I'll go borrow a shovel from the neighbors." Right. And NG doesn't say anything? I cringe when she says, "Out to Leonard Padilla..." and there he sits in his cowboy hat, shooting from the hip with all kinds of conjecture.

[samanthajane13]

".... For the fake/fake accidental or whatever drowning to be successful, Caylee would have had to have pool water in her lungs. Maybe Casey realized that and decided to abandon that scenario..."


I honestly don't think that Casey is bright enough to think of that.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the 48 hours reminder. Rigor sets in after a certain period, but I believe that it dissipates or goes away or something. Note to self: look that up. For the fake/fake accidental or whatever drowning to be successful, Caylee would have had to have pool water in her lungs. Maybe Casey realized that and decided to abandon that scenario. At any rate, the Anthonys would have had something to get Caylee out of the pool without Casey having to borrow the shovel. That's just whack. However, it would be difficult to dig a shallow grave with a pool skimmer; they're not very sturdy.

My turn to post to myself. (!)

Earlier I meant that Richard Grund is trying to interject himself into the situation, not inject. Of course, G&C started the business by insinuating that Jesse had something to do with Caylee's death, but like G&C, Richard should shut it. IMO

Found this describing the stages of death (there is a warning about graphic pix, but I didn't see any, you have to click on underlined descriptions to see them, so if won't happen by accident):

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

Between four and 24 hours the body is in the stiff phase of rigor mortis and then goes limp again.

[lorettalockhorn]

OK, I think I get it now. LP is surmising that after Caylee was already dead, by whatever means, Casey may have thought of putting her in the pool to make it appear that she had accidentally drowned. So he thinks that Casey actually did so, had a sudden epiphany and said, "But wait! There won't be any water in her lungs. Dang it. Now I've got to get her out of the pool. Guess I'll go borrow a shovel from the neighbors." Right. And NG doesn't say anything? I cringe when she says, "Out to Leonard Padilla..." and there he sits in his cowboy hat, shooting from the hip with all kinds of conjecture.

I just don't get warm fuzzy feelings from the guy like I do some of the others.

".... For the fake/fake accidental or whatever drowning to be successful, Caylee would have had to have pool water in her lungs. Maybe Casey realized that and decided to abandon that scenario..."


I honestly don't think that Casey is bright enough to think of that.

I hear ya; I'd like to think the bimbo couldn't get away with hiding Caylee's remains so successfully, but there you are.

[samanthajane13]

"I hear ya; I'd like to think the bimbo couldn't get away with hiding Caylee's remains so successfully, but there you are. "


I honestly think that Caylee was gator chow. I don't know where, but there are plenty of places in Florida.

I don't think she was stupid enough to dump Caylee in her "own back-yard"-meaning Jay Blanchard Park, but somewhere out of the area.

Either that is what happened to Caylee, or she's in a land-fill type area.

I don't see Casey as being the type to put herself out or getting her hands dirty to dispose of Caylee's body.

She's just got too much of a "princess" mentality to work up a sweat to do any digging or messy work.

[jas72]

I don't see Casey as being the type to put herself out or getting her hands dirty to dispose of Caylee's body.
She's just got too much of a "princess" mentality to work up a sweat to do any digging or messy work.


Which is one of the reasons that many have surmised that she had an accomplice to assist her with the disposal.

[mu8shark]

Thanks for the 48-hour lapse info. That leads me to believe even more that LP doesn't know what he's talking about. Just what exactly is a "fake drowning?" Caylee either drowned, or she didn't. Maybe he means a fake "accidental" drowning. That makes more sense, but certainly not grabbing a shovel to recover a victim from a fake "accidental" drowning. According to another appearance on NG, he theorizes not that she did drown but that Casey was thinking about staging it as so. It does not make sense because of the rigor. I thought in the beginning and I know some totally disagree that she tried to wash something off or try to get rid of the smell that way. Now I am not so sure. Still LE does theorize Caylee was in that backyard dead. What their theory is , I don't know. But both digs hit at the same spot supposedly on the area I described in a previous post by the pool. I think it is more likely Casey tried to bury her and once she saw how obvious it would be, she was like, oh no that won't work. But I do believe the dogs hit for a reason, esp two. Cindy said maybe Caylee bled or George bled or that Caylee peed in her playhouse but guess what, cadaver dogs do not hit on blood , spit and pee. They just don't. They are called cadaver dogs for a reason, they hit on cadavers. I think the Anthonys let the police back there not understanding how specific cadaver dogs were and probably regret that. Although LE would have gotten a search warrant anyway for that backyard.

[samanthajane13]

"Which is one of the reasons that many have surmised that she had an accomplice to assist her with the disposal. "


Yeah-I can understand why people believe that, but WHO???

From what I've seen of her friends, none seem like they'd be willing to hook into her sociopathic behaviors in that way.

Even guys who DON'T want a relationship with a woman who has children would think twice before agreeing to help her dispose of that child.

They're RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!

[mu8shark]

Well if you don't like Leonards theories, Cindy are really even more absurd. I can't listen to the FBI Cindy video because i have no sound and there is no transcript, however by popping around on message boards I am able to see some of what she talked about. Apparently, she told the FBI that Casey made a statement that she wished she could apologize to Amy, How does Cindy take this? She says nothing about Casey robbing Amy blind, she does not even mention that. What she says is that Casey is sorry for pointing to Amy as one of the kidnappers, thus Cindy's theory that Zanny is code for Jesse Grund or Amy. So Casey is sorry for hinting as to the truth that it was Amy who had something to do with Caylees disappearance and she knows eventually this will get Amy in trouble. Is this just not bizarre? She also tells the FBI she found it odd Ricardo and Amy did not help in the search, very suspicious. Why didn't Casey assist? Now, what the hell would Amy want with a 3 year old? She is foot loose and fancy free, she has a job , is able to travel and she wants a three year old? For what? Apparently from what everyone says Cindy goes on and on with wild assumptions and hints. This is just the one I saw being referred to.

[mu8shark]

"Which is one of the reasons that many have surmised that she had an accomplice to assist her with the disposal. "


Yeah-I can understand why people believe that, but WHO???

From what I've seen of her friends, none seem like they'd be willing to hook into her sociopathic behaviors in that way.

Even guys who DON'T want a relationship with a woman who has children would think twice before agreeing to help her dispose of that child.

They're RUN FOR THE HILLS!!! I am not saying that this is so, but it appears if she told anyone she might tell Lee. I am struck by the fact that in the sighting, the guy was in a business suit. Apparently, Lee works in an office. I am not crediting the sighting but if she had help could it be him? Just a thought.

[lighthousedazy]

My turn to post to myself. (!)

Earlier I meant that Richard Grund is trying to interject himself into the situation, not inject. Of course, G&C started the business by insinuating that Jesse had something to do with Caylee's death, but like G&C, Richard should shut it. IMO

Found this describing the stages of death (there is a warning about graphic pix, but I didn't see any, you have to click on underlined descriptions to see them, so if won't happen by accident):

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Death/Stages.html

Between four and 24 hours the body is in the stiff phase of rigor mortis and then goes limp again.

I am not saying that this is so, but it appears if she told anyone she might tell Lee. I am struck by the fact that in the sighting, the guy was in a business suit. Apparently, Lee works in an office. I am not crediting the sighting but if she had help could it be him? Just a thought.IMO, if she did have help, I think Lee would be the only one that would help her.

Reading the 'stages of death' in Loretta's above post, I can't imagine Casey dealing with a body either after 24 hours. On NG one day last, Dr. Perper stated that for the smell to still be there after all this time, that the body would have to have been in the trunk for at least a week. jmo. I don't have the link.

[samanthajane13]

As for Lee, I just don't know what to think of him. He's been suspiciously absent from the circus for way too long. I've liked him for an accessory right from the start-I'm just not sure where he fits in.

Getting his life back to normal-MY AZZ!!!

As for Amy not helping with the search, if I were her, I wouldn't either. Not after she went through my checking account!!! I'd be damned if I'd ever help her in any way again!!

I just don't think it was one of her friends who helped her dispose of Caylee.

Think about it this way-when Amy found out Casey forged the checks and stole from her, do you REALLY think she was quiet about it???

I'm pretty sure that Any went to the group she and Casey hung out with and said something along the lines of -

"Guess what Little miss whack-Job did to me!!! She cleaned out my bank account!"

Do you think any of those friends would come to her aid??

I don't...and I wouldn't blame them for not helping her, either.

[mu8shark]

IMO, if she did have help, I think Lee would be the only one that would help her.

Reading the 'stages of death' in Loretta's above post, I can't imagine Casey dealing with a body either after 24 hours. On NG one day last, Dr. Perper stated that for the smell to still be there after all this time, that the body would have to have been in the trunk for at least a week. jmo. I don't have the link. I think the way it stunk it is obvious it was either in there for a week or so, which I can see Casey putting it off, not because she is remorseful, but oh what a hassle when you are busy stealing and partying and she was probably thinking where will I put her? Or she had the body buried somewhere else(backyard) and then dug it up to move and it must have reeked at that point when she put it in the trunk. One way or the other a decomposing Caylee was back there for more than 24 hours. Just something I thought of, the Anthonys have those two dogs, I assume they let them out in the back. If Caylee was buried back for there for a while, you would think those dogs would smell it or mess with it. My dogs if there is a dead bird or squirrel, they go right to it.

[mu8shark]

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Cindy and George Anthony held a news conference Tuesday, just hours before a judge began to consider a gag order in the case against their daughter, Casey Anthony, who is accused of killing her daughter.

The hour-long news conference opened with a long statement from Michelle Bart, who is the family’s new spokeswoman. She criticized people who say Caylee is dead, and investigators who said they are no longer actively searching.


Video: Live: Casey Hearing | Cindy Anthony Speaks At Press Conference




“I would be checking out every lead known to man…because this child has asked for this help, this child deserves this help,” Bart said during her impassioned talk.

Their investigator, Dominic Casey, talked about a recent photograph showing a girl at a Florida mall. The family said the girl looked like Caylee.

“All of the tips we have received, almost all, have been from out of state,” Cindy Anthony said.

She said without an active search from the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, it is harder to check into these tips that Caylee is alive.

The OCSO said last week it was not searching for Caylee.

“Caylee Marie has rights…she should have the right for everybody to look for her,” Cindy Anthony said.

Anthony said even if it is a year from now, she would want to search for Caylee, if she has not been found.

Casey Anthony is charged with killing Caylee. She is in Orange County Jail on no bond, with her trial scheduled to start in January.

The hearing on the gag order and several other motions began at 2 p.m. in the Orange County Courthouse.

Prosecutors want to restrict what attorneys and Anthony family representatives can say about the case in public, which they argue could make it harder to find an impartial jury. The defense and an attorney for two media outlets argued against the order.

Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland said he would rule on the gag order request before noon on Wednesday.

Baez Talks With WESH 2 About Case

On Monday, attorney Jose Baez, in his first extensive interview in several weeks, said he plans to fight a gag order in the Casey Anthony case when he goes to court on Tuesday.

Baez, in an interview with WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing, also criticized the Orange County Sheriff’s Office for saying it was not searching for Caylee, who was reported missing in July.

“I don’t think you should gamble with the life of a child on strategies,” he said. “The fact is they haven’t found her. They don’t know where she is. They don’t know what happened to her, so they should constantly be looking for her.”

Baez has not talked extensively with the media since Casey Anthony was indicted last month.

During the interview at his Osceola County office, Baez also criticized law enforcement for leaking information about the case. And he said Casey Anthony will not be in court on Tuesday.




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[lorettalockhorn]

I am not saying that this is so, but it appears if she told anyone she might tell Lee. I am struck by the fact that in the sighting, the guy was in a business suit. Apparently, Lee works in an office. I am not crediting the sighting but if she had help could it be him? Just a thought.

There was a lot of talk on NG last night that those sightings have been discredited, but from what I heard, no one was willing to saw that LE has labeled the sightings as false.

As for any or none of Casey's friends searching, who can blame them? Batgirl (LMAO) can disparage all she wants, but from what I can tell, she has never gotten on TV and begged the "kidnappers" for Caylee's safe return.

MEH

[lorettalockhorn]

......Prosecutors want to restrict what attorneys and Anthony family representatives can say about the case in public, which they argue could make it harder to find an impartial jury. The defense and an attorney for two media outlets argued against the order.

Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland said he would rule on the gag order request before noon on Wednesday.

Baez Talks With WESH 2 About Case

On Monday, attorney Jose Baez, in his first extensive interview in several weeks, said he plans to fight a gag order in the Casey Anthony case when he goes to court on Tuesday.

Baez, in an interview with WESH 2 reporter Bob Kealing, also criticized the Orange County Sheriff’s Office for saying it was not searching for Caylee, who was reported missing in July.

“I don’t think you should gamble with the life of a child on strategies,” he said. “The fact is they haven’t found her. They don’t know where she is. They don’t know what happened to her, so they should constantly be looking for her.”

Baez has not talked extensively with the media since Casey Anthony was indicted last month.

During the interview at his Osceola County office, Baez also criticized law enforcement for leaking information about the case. And he said Casey Anthony will not be in court on Tuesday.

Well, we've all waited with bated breath for the Anthonys to educate us about what happened, what's really going on, and to make us understand. Since they are just blowing smoke, they should be gagged. Don't see how The State will find an impartial jury as it is. Of course we may all go through DTs if there is a gag order.

What's with the criticism about the leaks? I thought FL state law allowed for that or dictated that?

[mu8shark]

I was reading Rob Dick's post about dealings with Tim Miller and also the KidFinders organization. It is a lengthy post which I won't post here because it will get that discussion rehashed Tim Miller vs Padilla and we have already been over it. He does say among other things that the search was poorly organized. But what I did find most interesting is he does verify that the KidFinders network on behalf of the Anothonys, one would assume definitely tried to stop both searches at Blanchard Park. Which makes me a bit suspicious. Why? I get the whole thing about how only Cindy gets to play the martyr and hold a memorial but why be so opposed to this search? Also in the Sentinel there is a small blurb about some Anthony volunteers showing up at KidFinders to do some sort of work and guess what, nobody at KidFinders bothered to show up. Apparently, KidFinders has a dismal record at every finding anybody. Could it be because they are disreputable hacks?

[mu8shark]

Well, we've all waited with bated breath for the Anthonys to educate us about what happened, what's really going on, and to make us understand. Since they are just blowing smoke, they should be gagged. Don't see how The State will find an impartial jury as it is. Of course we may all go through DTs if there is a gag order.

What's with the criticism about the leaks? I thought FL state law allowed for that or dictated that? As for the leaks I am a little suspicious frankly about LE using the Sunshine Law as a reason for them to release so much information. In the Jessica Lunsford case I don't recall every single interview being released at all. I think LE is doing it to put pressure on the Anthonys and get their case out there. I think it is part of their strategy to release almost everything. I saw a post on here before, not sure who posted it but they ask an official in Florida if all the info released was mandated by that law and they stated it was not so. So, I don't buy it. I like hearing everything but worry that it may hurt the case.

[mu8shark]

"Meanwhile, the Anthony said no one has come forward since a picture of a girl involved in a possible Caylee sighting was released on Friday.

The photo was taken inside the Florida Mall, but the person who took the picture has not been identified." Okay the previous quote is from an article I just read posted on this site. Now, I have a stupid question. I thought the Anthonys had talked to the person who took the photo and they said they called 911 and all these other agencies and no one came, so now the story is that they are clueless as who took this picture. Say what? Did someone leave this on their doorstep? What is the story on this? Do you think the article just got it wrong? I mean if that is the case, man I feel so bad about being suspicious, but if they can't produce the person who took this, this could be a four month old photo of the real Caylee taken a long time ago by a family member. I am so confused. Am I reading this right? I copied and pasted straight from the article. Also Michele Bart said the person called 911, where is that tape? With the Sunshine laws surely the media could get a hold of that tape. Where is the 911 tape of that call, everything else has become public.

[mu8shark]

Ever wonder what the hard evidence or tips were that were to lead to the Anthony Press conference that never happened. This from another blog of someone who was there(at the Kid Finders tent when Cindy and George had their meet and greet) on the Saturday before the supposed Press Conference. , "Bart is also apparently planning a news conference for Monday to show evidence that Caylee is still alive. She says they have several leads that placed Caylee at the Orlando International Airport. “We have many tips that she’s been there. Many tips that have led us to believe it was during a three day period that she had been seen by many people,” said Bart.

When asked why they have been holding out on this type of information that could lead to Caylee being found alive, her response was, “Because we don’t want to lose the opportunity…that’s why. We want to make sure our “I’s” are dotted and our “T’s” are crossed." http://www.bloggernews.net/118654 My comment, The airport, weren't all those leads disproved?

[mu8shark]

http://i35.tinypic.com/332v0np.jpg Okay this comparison photo has been pieced together by Scared Monkeys.com . The third picture is another sighting apparently. The third child is obviously older, The second photo however, when you compare the photos side by side, you can see that the chin is very different on Caylee and the mysterious mall child. Also apparently now Michele Bart is saying they will not release the name of the mall nor when the photo was even given to them. But details aside, to me the chins are completely different. And the nose on Caylee is much more turned up to me. I think if they have to LE can blow this up and have an expert completey discredit this, if they have not already privately done that.

[mu8shark]

Headline about an hour ago from WFTV FBI Investigating Email That Could Land Cindy In Jail
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 – updated: 6:07 pm EST November 25, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, fla. -- The FBI is investigating an email, obtained only by Eyewitness News, and legal experts say what's in it could land Cindy Anthony in a jail cell for obstructing justice.

If the FBI finds the email is legit, it could prove Cindy was deliberately hiding evidence from detectives and, while Eyewitness News investigates the possible cover-up, the state wants the Anthony family to shut up.


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CONTROVERSIAL EMAIL: Read The Email Here
TEAM COVERAGE: Email Controversy, Baez In Court
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When Eyewitness News obtained an email from Larry Garrison (read the email), it was handed over to the FBI because of the explosive evidence inside. The email says Cindy gave investigators the wrong hairbrush when they asked for Caylee's brush in late July to compare DNA from her hair to the hair they found in Casey's trunk, where it smelled of death.

Eyewitness News told the FBI about it and now they're investigating whether Cindy has tried to sabotage the investigation.

Cindy Anthony tries to give the appearance that she's cooperating with investigators, but Eyewitness News has learned she and her husband George have been stalling for weeks to answer their follow-up questions in the investigation.

Then Tuesday, a controversial email surfaced. It appears that the Anthonys' former spokesman, Larry Garrison, says he confronted Cindy by email about why she gave Casey's hairbrush, instead of Caylee's hairbrush, to investigators who wanted a DNA sample.

Garrison said Cindy's emailed response was: "I never lied. I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee."

Eyewitness News passed the email along to FBI Special Agent Nick Savage, who told Eyewitness News Tuesday: "The appropriate weight will be given to this like all other information received. Law enforcement will address this matter as it relates to the investigation."

Eyewitness News legal analyst Bill Scheaffer told Eyewitness News the obstruction of justice statute could apply.

"If she knowingly gave the investigators the wrong hairbrush, then I think there's enough elasticity in this statute that one could bring a charge of obstructing justice," Schaeffer said.

It is unlikely the Anthonys would be charged since they lost their granddaughter, but the issues could affect their credibility if they try to defend Casey in court.

So is this "obstructing justice?" Eyewitness News looked up the legal definition: "An attempt to interfere with the administration of the courts, the judicial system or law enforcement officers, including threatening witnesses, improper conversations with jurors, hiding evidence, or interfering with an arrest. Such activity is a crime."


BAEZ FIGHTS STATE'S GAG ORDER REQUEST


The case against Casey was back in court Tuesday as the state tried to slap a gag order on the Anthony family and on Casey's attorney, Jose Baez.


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The defense team tried their best to speed up the process of obtaining evidence, but seemed bogged down by their own motions, at times seeming to not understand what they were arguing about in court.

"It's just a hearing and we're hoping the judge will allow us to continue to talk," Cindy Anthony told Eyewitness News as she entered the courtroom Tuesday.

It promised to be a long afternoon and it delivered. Jose Baez squared of against very critical prosecutors, who want a gag order to protect Casey from her own attorney, basically begging the judge to shut Baez up.

"He's basically telling jurors, 'My client lied to the police.' That is not helpful to the defendant," prosecutor Jeff Ashton argued in court Tuesday.

Baez used case law to argue he could fight his case any way he wanted.

"The court, in Gentile v. Nevada, laid it out clearly that lawyers have First Amendment rights, too," Baez said.

An attorney for the sheriff's office pointed out that documents Baez complained about not receiving were held up by a $980 copying bill Baez hasn't paid considers a rip-off.

"The State Attorney might want to look into this, because it looks like a scam," Baez said.

Baez also wanted the judge to order the FBI to allow re-tests of hair samples, but Baez forgot to notice federal attorneys about Tuesday's hearing.

Although Baez lost most arguments, he took the opportunity to lash out at the prosecution.

"It's a whole lot of hot air and not a lot of law," Baez said.

The gag order motion took the most time in court and the judge did not rule on that. He suggested he'd rule Wednesday afternoon, allowing more written arguments as late as noon Wednesday.

[One2Snoop]

Ever wonder what the hard evidence or tips were that were to lead to the Anthony Press conference that never happened. This from another blog of someone who was there(at the Kid Finders tent when Cindy and George had their meet and greet) on the Saturday before the supposed Press Conference. , "Bart is also apparently planning a news conference for Monday to show evidence that Caylee is still alive. She says they have several leads that placed Caylee at the Orlando International Airport. “We have many tips that she’s been there. Many tips that have led us to believe it was during a three day period that she had been seen by many people,” said Bart.

When asked why they have been holding out on this type of information that could lead to Caylee being found alive, her response was, “Because we don’t want to lose the opportunity…that’s why. We want to make sure our “I’s” are dotted and our “T’s” are crossed." http://www.bloggernews.net/118654 My comment, The airport, weren't all those leads disproved?

FBI (on the Cindy tape) said they already checked the airport sighting out. They also checked the manifests. I'm assuming they checked out the age's/sex etc of every child that flew out of the airport during the possible sighting in question - probably even a few days before and after just to make sure.

[One2Snoop]

Holy cow! Now why would she do that other than to cover for Casey? :no: If it turns out to be true I hope she is charged. :flamemad:

When Eyewitness News obtained an email from Larry Garrison (read the email), it was handed over to the FBI because of the explosive evidence inside. The email says Cindy gave investigators the wrong hairbrush when they asked for Caylee's brush in late July to compare DNA from her hair to the hair they found in Casey's trunk, where it smelled of death.

Eyewitness News told the FBI about it and now they're investigating whether Cindy has tried to sabotage the investigation.

Cindy Anthony tries to give the appearance that she's cooperating with investigators, but Eyewitness News has learned she and her husband George have been stalling for weeks to answer their follow-up questions in the investigation.

Then Tuesday, a controversial email surfaced. It appears that the Anthonys' former spokesman, Larry Garrison, says he confronted Cindy by email about why she gave Casey's hairbrush, instead of Caylee's hairbrush, to investigators who wanted a DNA sample.

Garrison said Cindy's emailed response was: "I never lied. I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee."

Eyewitness News passed the email along to FBI Special Agent Nick Savage, who told Eyewitness News Tuesday: "The appropriate weight will be given to this like all other information received. Law enforcement will address this matter as it relates to the investigation."

Eyewitness News legal analyst Bill Scheaffer told Eyewitness News the obstruction of justice statute could apply.

"If she knowingly gave the investigators the wrong hairbrush, then I think there's enough elasticity in this statute that one could bring a charge of obstructing justice," Schaeffer said.

It is unlikely the Anthonys would be charged since they lost their granddaughter, but the issues could affect their credibility if they try to defend Casey in court.

So is this "obstructing justice?" Eyewitness News looked up the legal definition: "An attempt to interfere with the administration of the courts, the judicial system or law enforcement officers, including threatening witnesses, improper conversations with jurors, hiding evidence, or interfering with an arrest. Such activity is a crime."

[One2Snoop]

http://i35.tinypic.com/332v0np.jpg Okay this comparison photo has been pieced together by Scared Monkeys.com . The third picture is another sighting apparently. The third child is obviously older, The second photo however, when you compare the photos side by side, you can see that the chin is very different on Caylee and the mysterious mall child. Also apparently now Michele Bart is saying they will not release the name of the mall nor when the photo was even given to them. But details aside, to me the chins are completely different. And the nose on Caylee is much more turned up to me. I think if they have to LE can blow this up and have an expert completey discredit this, if they have not already privately done that.


I agree, its fairly obvious this isn't Caylee - I'd be more than happy to send my magnifying glass Cindy's way. http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0142.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-indifferent-smileys.php)
Thanks for posting mu8.

[Brainstorm]

I agree, its fairly obvious this isn't Caylee - I'd be more than happy to send my magnifying glass Cindy's way. http://img3.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/characters/character0142.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-indifferent-smileys.php)
Thanks for posting mu8.

Somebody needs to tell Cindy that decomposing,rotting little bodies DONT come back and go to the mall or WalMart,imo.

[lighthousedazy]

http://i35.tinypic.com/332v0np.jpg Okay this comparison photo has been pieced together by Scared Monkeys.com . The third picture is another sighting apparently. The third child is obviously older, The second photo however, when you compare the photos side by side, you can see that the chin is very different on Caylee and the mysterious mall child. Also apparently now Michele Bart is saying they will not release the name of the mall nor when the photo was even given to them. But details aside, to me the chins are completely different. And the nose on Caylee is much more turned up to me. I think if they have to LE can blow this up and have an expert completey discredit this, if they have not already privately done that.I agree. The other 2 children look more like 4 year olds than 2 to 3 year olds. Around the 4 year mark the child's face starts to look more child-like than babyish. Also the look a likes have longer arms than Caylee. jmo

[mu8shark]

Holy cow! Now why would she do that other than to cover for Casey? :no: If it turns out to be true I hope she is charged. :flamemad: Can someone do me a favor? If Nancy Grace does not cover this or read the emal can someone go to WFTV and look at the actual email? I tried as they do have the actual email the FBI is looking at and my pdf reader says it is corrupted. If Nancy covers it and reads the email, no problem but if not it would be great if someone could look at the applicable part and post a little synposis or the relevant lines.

[One2Snoop]

From: Blocked out

Saturday, November 22,2008 11:05:45 -0500

TO: Blank
Conversation: Important


11/22/08

Dear (blank)

Cindy has been writing me. I believe she may be on meds. I confronted her in an email asking her why she gave Casey's hairbrush instead of Caylee's to the authorities. She replied the following below. I believe she is frightened I might speak out. I have gone to the authorities with this. I am showing you this out of friendship. That is the real reason I'm out of there. Why would anyone not help the police if they were looking for their grandaughter? I have plenty to say in the future.

Larry


-------Original Message------

From: cindy anthony (blanked out address I assume)
To: larry garrison (blank)

Sent: Fri, 202 120Nov 2008 6:18 am

I never lied. I just never went to my bathroom to get the hairbrush that I used only for Caylee. As far as Tim miller goes remember it was you who sealed the first deal with me having him come in the first place. I also trusted you so much I let you speak to Casey.
end...

[mu8shark]

I agree. The other 2 children look more like 4 year olds than 2 to 3 year olds. Around the 4 year mark the child's face starts to look more child-like than babyish. Also the look a likes have longer arms than Caylee. jmoExactly Caylee's chin has that babyfat rounded look and the other child definitely has a much pointier chin. Looking at what I am looking at on Nancy Grace, I think I have not been hard on Cindy Anthony. This is not about finding Caylee for her, it is a game to her to try and lead the police as far away as she can from Casey as the culprit. This statement with the toothbrush that Leonard mentioned sounds like her sarcastic bat wielding a s s. She seems to think the evidence and the collection of it is a joke.

[lorettalockhorn]

Exactly Caylee's chin has that babyfat rounded look and the other child definitely has a much pointier chin. Looking at what I am looking at on Nancy Grace, I think I have not been hard on Cindy Anthony. This is not about finding Caylee for her, it is a game to her to try and lead the police as far away as she can from Casey as the culprit. This statement with the toothbrush that Leonard mentioned sounds like her sarcastic bat wielding a s s. She seems to think the evidence and the collection of it is a joke.

hehehe She said hard on. Agree. This woman throws wrenches into the works at every opportunity.

But what strikes me here, is that somehow Larry Garrison found out that Cindy had given LE the wrong hairbrush. That's what I want to find out about. Are the meds that she's on sodium pentathol?

[mu8shark]

hehehe She said hard on. Agree. This woman throws wrenches into the works at every opportunity.

But what strikes me here, is that somehow Larry Garrison found out that Cindy had given LE the wrong hairbrush. That's what I want to find out about. Are the meds that she's on sodium pentathol? I think from the tenor of the email she trusted him enough to think he would not mention that or care about her misleading authorities.Maybe George told Mr Garrison she did this or Cindy told him herself. Cindy seems to think everyone around her who helps is interested in the same thing she is, getting Casey off.. I have a hunch that once this guy kept confronting her about misleading the authorities, she thought I will fix him, I will accuse him of making money off the case. The thing is probably a lot of spokesman may have accepted a brokering fee for those photos. I don't find that all that outrageous. Maybe I am jaded. But I am sure Cindy wanted to nail him for it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think from the tenor of the email she trusted him enough to think he would not mention that or care about her misleading authorities.Maybe George told Mr Garrison she did this or Cindy told him herself. Cindy seems to think everyone around her who helps is interested in the same thing she is, getting Casey off.. I have a hunch that once this guy kept confronting her about misleading the authorities, she thought I will fix him, I will accuse him of making money off the case. The thing is probably a lot of spokesman may have accepted a brokering fee for those photos. I don't find that all that outrageous. Maybe I am jaded. But I am sure Cindy wanted to nail him for it.

Not mention that she's guilty of obstruction? Yokaaaaaayyy

And doncha wonder if maybe this is why Nejame broke up with G&C?

Cindy is poison.

[mu8shark]

By the way Cindy's rationale that a kidnapper would now start parading Caylee around the Orlando Malls and feel all comfortable is just bizarre. I still want to here the 911 call by the person who took that photo. Was has this not come out? If I were Cindy I would be on the media to say, see look into this, this person was desperately calling police and they did nothing. Also the airplane story about You are not my Momma. Well guess what I used to subject my older sisters to this rant constantly as a child when they told me what to do.And can you imagine a child sticking it to a stepmother like this? She is just pathetic.

[One2Snoop]

Not mention that she's guilty of obstruction? Yokaaaaaayyy

And doncha wonder if maybe this is why Nejame broke up with G&C?

Cindy is poison.

Good point - I bet it is!

[One2Snoop]

By the way Cindy's rationale that a kidnapper would now start parading Caylee around the Orlando Malls and feel all comfortable is just bizarre. I still want to here the 911 call by the person who took that photo. Was has this not come out? If I were Cindy I would be on the media to say, see look into this, this person was desperately calling police and they did nothing. Also the airplane story about You are not my Momma. Well guess what I used to subject my older sisters to this rant constantly as a child when they told me what to do.And can you imagine a child sticking it to a stepmother like this? She is just pathetic.

Was there really a 911 call or is that what Cindy said?

[mu8shark]

Eyewitness News passed the email along to FBI Special Agent Nick Savage, who told Eyewitness News Tuesday: "The appropriate weight will be given to this like all other information received. Law enforcement will address this matter as it relates to the investigation." My interpretation of this remark is they are not going to charge her but at trial, they will ream her and her credibility with this. She will be toast on the stand .

[lorettalockhorn]

By the way Cindy's rationale that a kidnapper would now start parading Caylee around the Orlando Malls and feel all comfortable is just bizarre. I still want to here the 911 call by the person who took that photo. Was has this not come out? If I were Cindy I would be on the media to say, see look into this, this person was desperately calling police and they did nothing. Also the airplane story about You are not my Momma. Well guess what I used to subject my older sisters to this rant constantly as a child when they told me what to do.And can you imagine a child sticking it to a stepmother like this? She is just pathetic.

Had never heard that there was a 911 call. My understanding was that the photog downloaded the pix onto one of the find Caylee sites. Now I want to hear the call too! And I want to know why there isn't a picture of the kidnappers.

[mu8shark]

Was there really a 911 call or is that what Cindy said? The way I understand it, Michele Bart said there was a 911 call. Michele Bart by the way I have heard is the daughter of that Milstead clown. Anyone know if this is true?

[Twinners]

hehehe She said hard on. Agree. This woman throws wrenches into the works at every opportunity.

But what strikes me here, is that somehow Larry Garrison found out that Cindy had given LE the wrong hairbrush. That's what I want to find out about. Are the meds that she's on sodium pentathol?
Excellent question, Loretta. It's the one I'd find the answer to first. IMO, Garrison definitely has an ax to grind with the Anthony's because of the whole picture thing. I'd be finding out exactly how he found out and then I'd figure out why he decided to spill the beans about it now.

[One2Snoop]

The way I understand it, Michele Bart said there was a 911 call. Michele Bart by the way I have heard is the daughter of that Milstead clown. Anyone know if this is true?

Haven't heard that one - let me do some snooping. ;)

[mu8shark]

Had never heard that there was a 911 call. My understanding was that the photog downloaded the pix onto one of the find Caylee sites. Now I want to hear the call too! And I want to know why there isn't a picture of the kidnappers. Here is the exact post written by Michele Bart on HelpFindCaylee.com. "On the afternoon of Sunday, November 16, 2008 an eyewitness attempted to report a sighting of what they believe to be that of Caylee Marie Anthony, the 3-year old toddler that has been missing from Orlando since June 16, 2008. The witness first called Law Enforcement but after two attempts and over an hour of delays they decided to try the number listed on the Help Find Caylee website. The witness contacted D&A Investigations, Inc. and provided them with information and photographic evidence." Now maybe I made a leap saying 911 but I assume somebody does not have the Caylee hotline or FBI number in their wallet and the first and easiest way would be 911. But maybe I made that leap. But now they are getting vague that they are not giving out when the call was made and that the person who took the photo has not been identified. It smells to me! Even if they did not call 911 I bet if they tried to contact LE in some way, there would be a record of it somewhere, EH? I knew I read this, wanna hear something funny. My brother is always saying how is it you remember all these little details in these true crime cases and ya can't find your keys or remember where you put a car title? LOL

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Cindy obstructed justice! I am almost convinced now that they DO KNOW their daughter killed C, and have been trying to cover it up and playing this shell game by blathering on about these C sightings in Cat Tongue MO at a Walmart! Why am I not surprised to hear that Cindy gave the FBI CA's hairbrush to try to trip them up. I am almost convinced they KNOW where C's body is and won't come forward either because they are covering for their scumbag daughter and then we see them screaming and whining at the media like it is their FAULT that C is dead, blaming the police and tonight's news conference, what a pile of dog crap! The police have done all they can do, I tell you this whole family needs to be locked up, they all have played a part in this charade! Wasted countless manpower hours when the police could be searching for another child, Tim could have saved himself $50,000 in search charges, LP knocked himself out beyond what most bounty hunters would do, not to mention the searches done by countless volunteers from all over the country, THEY KNOW where her body is, and have been playing everyone! Lying is an accepted behavior with these asswipes, George gets involved with some pyramid scheme, loses $30,000 and tells Cindy he lost it gambling at the dog track, rather than tell her the truth, they have all been lying and cheating, and to think that poor child had been born into this loser family! I am so pissed over this news, I could slap Cindy from here to OK and start back over again!

What did I say in my last post that she KNEW what was on those slacks, and washed them anyway? George probably told her they reeked of decomp, the whole scumbag lot of them are lying pieces of dog s**t!!!!! Is it a stretch to see why CA is the way she is??? Also, I think the 30 day waiting period was planned, those frantic calls C made at 3 a.m. is when she tells her parents that she killed C with the chloroform and they keep her body in the shed, the cadaver dogs had hit around that shed, till they figure out where to put it! Maybe when people claimed they saw George last month peering into the woods, maybe he was looking to see if C's grave had been discovered??? If this lying ***** gave the FBI the wrong hairbrush, then she surely obstructed justice and is covering for that lying skank of a daughter and has been right along!! George? Trying to diminish his role in this when he raps with the FBI, that he had seen the stain and smelled the smell ,"I am being straight with you guys" was him playing "cop" This whole scumbag family are the worst white trash out there, and we have all expressed sympathy for them, not getting anything from me but hatred and contempt!

[mu8shark]

Excellent question, Loretta. It's the one I'd find the answer to first. IMO, Garrison definitely has an ax to grind with the Anthony's because of the whole picture thing. I'd be finding out exactly how he found out and then I'd figure out why he decided to spill the beans about it now. According to him this is what they had the initial falling out about that he reported this a while back and it is now just coming to light in the press. If so, I believe it was batgirl's (Cindys ) ax to grind and she made a ridiculous stink about him taking a brokers fee for those pics in order to discredit him because she knew he reported her. . You know not everything is free Cindy. She sounds like her daughter to me. Everything for free, free , free . As to who told if she was carelessly making remarks like she did about giving LE the dogs toothbrush anyone could have told him or he could have heard it with his own ears.

[mu8shark]

Cindy obstructed justice! I am almost convinced now that they DO KNOW their daughter killed C, and have been trying to cover it up and playing this shell game by blathering on about these C sightings in Cat Tongue MO at a Walmart! Why am I not surprised to hear that Cindy gave the FBI CA's hairbrush to try to trip them up. I am almost convinced they KNOW where C's body is and won't come forward either because they are covering for their scumbag daughter and then we see them screaming and whining at the media like it is their FAULT that C is dead, blaming the police and tonight's news conference, what a pile of dog crap! The police have done all they can do, I tell you this whole family needs to be locked up, they all have played a part in this charade! Wasted countless manpower hours when the police could be searching for another child, Tim could have saved himself $50,000 in search charges, LP knocked himself out beyond what most bounty hunters would do, not to mention the searches done by countless volunteers from all over the country, THEY KNOW where her body is, and have been playing everyone! Lying is an accepted behavior with these asswipes, George gets involved with some pyramid scheme, loses $30,000 and tells Cindy he lost it gambling at the dog track, rather than tell her the truth, they have all been lying and cheating, and to think that poor child had been born into this loser family! I am so pissed over this news, I could slap Cindy from here to OK and start back over again!

What did I say in my last post that she KNEW what was on those slacks, and washed them anyway? George probably told her they reeked of decomp, the whole scumbag lot of them are lying pieces of dog s**t!!!!! Is it a stretch to see why CA is the way she is??? Also, I think the 30 day waiting period was planned, those frantic calls C made at 3 a.m. is when she tells her parents that she killed C with the chloroform and they keep her body in the shed, the cadaver dogs had hit around that shed, till they figure out where to put it! Maybe when people claimed they saw George last month peering into the woods, maybe he was looking to see if C's grave had been discovered??? If this lying ***** gave the FBI the wrong hairbrush, then she surely obstructed justice and is covering for that lying skank of a daughter and has been right along!! George? Trying to diminish his role in this when he raps with the FBI, that he had seen the stain and smelled the smell ,"I am being straight with you guys" was him playing "cop" This whole scumbag family are the worst white trash out there, and we have all expressed sympathy for them, not getting anything from me but hatred and contempt! I totally agree they know or suspect more. I think she did not innocently wash those pants, She may not have known details but she smelled that smell and that little girl was missing and last seen with her daughter. Also I find it highly suspicious they sent the KidFingers people out there to stop the Blanchard Park search twice. I believe Rob Dick about that because the day they were searching I posted the link to the little mini cam on here and people were saying that watched it that everybody there was talking about how the Anthonys tried to halt the search and it got started late because of that. I totally believe Rob Dick on that and actually most of what he posted. It is kind of an interesting post actually. Why stop them searching? Did they suspect Caylee was in fact there? Rob Dick says twice they tried to halt the search and this is why I think pardon the expression Leonard has a bone on for that park.

[lorettalockhorn]

Here is the exact post written by Michele Bart on HelpFindCaylee.com. "On the afternoon of Sunday, November 16, 2008 an eyewitness attempted to report a sighting of what they believe to be that of Caylee Marie Anthony, the 3-year old toddler that has been missing from Orlando since June 16, 2008. The witness first called Law Enforcement but after two attempts and over an hour of delays they decided to try the number listed on the Help Find Caylee website. The witness contacted D&A Investigations, Inc. and provided them with information and photographic evidence." Now maybe I made a leap saying 911 but I assume somebody does not have the Caylee hotline or FBI number in their wallet and the first and easiest way would be 911. But maybe I made that leap. But now they are getting vague that they are not giving out when the call was made and that the person who took the photo has not been identified. It smells to me! Even if they did not call 911 I bet if they tried to contact LE in some way, there would be a record of it somewhere, EH? I knew I read this, wanna hear something funny. My brother is always saying how is it you remember all these little details in these true crime cases and ya can't find your keys or remember where you put a car title? LOL

Well heck. Not only do people not keep the number of the Caylee hotline or FBI number in their wallet, how do they know the number of LE? Sheesh Isn't that the purpose of 911?

HAH! Tell your brother that I would forget my name, but remember my VIN and therefore don't have to know where my title is. :hat:

[Justice Denied?]

Ever wonder what the hard evidence or tips were that were to lead to the Anthony Press conference that never happened. This from another blog of someone who was there(at the Kid Finders tent when Cindy and George had their meet and greet) on the Saturday before the supposed Press Conference. , "Bart is also apparently planning a news conference for Monday to show evidence that Caylee is still alive. She says they have several leads that placed Caylee at the Orlando International Airport. “We have many tips that she’s been there. Many tips that have led us to believe it was during a three day period that she had been seen by many people,” said Bart.

When asked why they have been holding out on this type of information that could lead to Caylee being found alive, her response was, “Because we don’t want to lose the opportunity…that’s why. We want to make sure our “I’s” are dotted and our “T’s” are crossed." http://www.bloggernews.net/118654 My comment, The airport, weren't all those leads disproved?

I agree with what everyone is saying. My question is: What sane, rational person REALLY believes that the kidnappers took Caylee out in public over a three day period in the town where she was kidnapped? Even without all the evidence the Caylee is dead, I would have a hard time believing this.

[sharlock]

I see what you're saying but I think she did have a plan for disposing of the body. Hidden in plain sight; I think Caylee was meant to be found floating in the pool with Casey the distraught parent looking for loads of sympathy and taking full advantage of this situation to silence any talk of her wrongdoings, bring her back into the family fold as if she had never stolen money or lied and no expectations of the grieving mum; just plenty of support. If Caylee was only knocked out from the chloroform she would have still been breathing and her death would have appeared accidental with her lungs full of water. This scenario also explains how she could have been fully prepared for the murder down to having made homemade chloroform but then carrying poor Caylee around in the trunk of a car seemingly unsure of where to put her. In this scenario she hadn't meant for Caylee to die before she was put into the pool and had been so arrogant as to have not planned for things to not go as she had planned.

I don't disagree with LP at all in fact I came to the same conclusion long before he did. I disagree that Casey is not smart. She is adept at lying and fabricating stories and had gotten away with this for years. This is because she thinks things through, uses cover stories that she can remember, and will go so far as to create evidence to prove her lies. And that was how she acted before she killed Caylee. Casey was jealous of the relationship between daughter and grandma. She was starting to be caught in lies, Caylee was approaching the age where she was going to start telling stories and Casey's desire to party without the constraints of child were growing stronger. She came up with a seemingly perfect plan to bring her back into the family fold and get back the love and attention she needed. She dreamt of the support and attention that she would get as a greiving mum while also ridding herself of all her problems. IMO the plan was simple and well thought out. She would knock Caylee out with chloroform and place her in the pool where while still breathing but not conscious and she would drown.
A fatal error occured and Casey accidently killed Caylee outright with the chloroform. She continued on with her original plan though and even started making the calls to get the family home when she realised in her panicked state that the lungs wouldn't show water because Caylee wasn't breathing at the thime she went in the pool. Anyone who enjoys crime movies or shows like NCIS knows that is the first thing looked for in a reported drowning so it really wasn't a big deal that she realised it. In fact she would have realised it sooner if she hadn't panicked because it was part of her consideration when getting Caylee into the pool comatose but still breathing.
Now real panick sets in. She tries to find a place to hide Caylee first putting her on the ground beside the pool after fishing her out(and she didn't necessarily use the shovel for this that might have been used in the sandpit), considers the play area and then the sandpit it where she may have left caylee for a short period while she decides what to do next. She can't leave Caylee there because of the animals and the risk of discovery. She now needs time to think of a new plan and a new cover story that will fit the current set of circumstances but that is no longer very easy to do.
The password Timer55 certainly was a countdown to Caylees birthday and the date Casey now most feared; using all her cunning she could have managed to keep her parents away no problem and she did (until the car ran out of gas) but she knew from the start that there was no way her MUM would let a birthday go by without seeing Caylee. She knew at that time police would definitely be brought in and that she better have a good cover story by then.
I know this is JMHO but I don't find it an unlikely scenario.
The other thing I have noticed is that people mention Cindy washing Caseys pants (and I do think she was starting to cover5 for her at this stage) but they forget to mention that George was the one who wiped down the inside of the trunk knowing full well it was a crime scene; they both want to appear helpful but they both were ruining evidence and now an email has been given to the FBI from the Anthony's fired spokesperson showing that Cindy knowingly gave the investigators Caseys brush and not the brush they used only for Caylee when asked to supply it for dna checking. This seals it for me, they have put Casey ahead of their grand daughter; there can be no other explanation in my mind.

[Justice Denied?]

Exactly Caylee's chin has that babyfat rounded look and the other child definitely has a much pointier chin. Looking at what I am looking at on Nancy Grace, I think I have not been hard on Cindy Anthony. This is not about finding Caylee for her, it is a game to her to try and lead the police as far away as she can from Casey as the culprit. This statement with the toothbrush that Leonard mentioned sounds like her sarcastic bat wielding a s s. She seems to think the evidence and the collection of it is a joke.

I just have a quick comment and a question. It seems that every time Padilla is on NG, he comes up with another little piece of info that he got from "Tracy", like seeing the beads and now hearing this. I just wonder if they have shared this info with anyone in LE. I mean, LE did go to CA to question them.:shrug::confused:

[mu8shark]

I don't disagree with LP at all in fact I came to the same conclusion long before he did. I disagree that Casey is not samrt. She is adept at lying and fabricating stories and had gotten away with this for years. This is because she thinks things through uses cover stories that she can remember and will go so far as to create evidence to prove her lies. And that was how she acted before she kiled Caylee. Casey was jealous of the relationship between daughter and grandma. Ahe was starting to be caught in lies, Caylee was approaching the age where she was going to start telling stories and Caseys desire to party without the constraints of child were growing stronger. She came up with a seemingly perfect plan to bring her back into the family fold and get back the love and attention she needed. She dreamt of the support and attention that she would get as a greiving mum while also ridding herself of all her problems. IMO the plan was simple and well thought out. She ould knock Caylee out with chloroform and place her in the pool where while still breathing but not conscious she would drown.
A fatal error occured and Casey accidently killed Caylee outright with the chloroform. She continued on with her original plan though and even started making the calls to get the family home when she realised in her panicked state that the lungs would n't show water because Caylee wasn't breathing at the thime she went in the pool. Anyone who enjoys crime movies or shows like NCIS knows that is the first thing looked for in a reported drowning so it really wasn't a big deal that she realised it.
Now real panick sets in. She tries to find a place to hide Caylee first putting her on the ground beside the pool after fishing her out, considers the play area and then the sand it where she may have left caylee for a short period while she decides what to do next. She can't leave Caylee there because of the animals and the risk of discovery. She now needs time to think of a new plan and a new cover story that will fit the current set of circumstances but that is no longer very easy to do.
The password Timer55 certainly was a countdown to Caylees birthday and the date Casey now most feared; using all her cunning she could have managed to keep her parents away no problem and she did (until the car ran out of gas) but she knew from the start that there was no way her MUM would let a birthday go by without seeing Caylee. She knew at that time police would definitely be brought in and that she better have a good cover story by then.
I know this is JMHO but I don't find it an unlikely scenario.It is not impossible and has some valid points but why wouldn't Casey just plain old drown her if this was her plan? Just hold her head under water until she was sure she had water in her lungs? Why bother with the chloroform? It seems to be that in Casey's eyes, just holding her under would not require going to the trouble of making homemade chloroform and all that. I do not doubt Casey did something to her on purpose nor did I doubt something happened around that pool but why not just drown her? I am putting myself in Caseys place however evil that might be and I am lazy and want things easy, why complicate things with chloroform, why not just drown her?

[mu8shark]

I just have a quick comment and a question. It seems that every time Padilla is on NG, he comes up with another little piece of info that he got from "Tracy", like seeing the beads and now hearing this. I just wonder if they have shared this info with anyone in LE. I mean, LE did go to CA to question them.:shrug::confused: He says that when Tracy heard this story breaking it reminded her of the toothbrush comment and he does say on NG and the transcript should verify, he told her to call LE. I assume she will do that .

[wind149]

I was heartbroken over Molly Bish and Holly Piranine, seems to me like I said I think it was the same guy and he is from the area, Warren is not a tourist destination, I actually went down to the area with a cop friend and talked to the local sheriffs down there, and they were baffled, kidnapping of children in that area was as rare as hen's teeth. Do you remember the Jeffrey Curley case too with two disgusting dirtbags, one was white the other black, who kidnapped him, and brought him to the black guy's apt in Manchester NH, raped him for God knows how long and if memory serves me they used brake fluid to smother him with and then put his body in a picnic cooler and dumped it in a river outside of York ME and those pukes deserved the DP and the DA wanted to go for it, but all the bleeders cried cruel and unusual punishment and Sacari got LWPOP and the other POS got 21-life. This case really got my blood boiling, watching WGBH or WBZ and seeing those lumps of dog crap entering the courthouse wearing bulletproof vests for THEIR SAFETY and I was praying that somebody would do a sniper and cap them right in the balls! I remember the atmosphere inside of that courtroom was so thick with emotion and anger I was heartbroken for the family whose son taken from them by two twisted scumbags who should have been totally castrated with a dull kitchen knife!

I agree you guys that LP might not be far off the mark, Cindy wanted that search called off in Blanchard and it just might be the place that her body ended up in, and if there were gators there, she is not going to be found, but it sounds like they are not going to need it because LE and the DA is gonna arrest all of them, C&G for obstruction of justice and aiding and abetting, both felony charges that could fetch them some serious time, Lee, not sure there, as for CA, the DP!

[One2Snoop]

I was just watching a rerun of the reality 48hrs and noticed someone they were questioning about a murder - puked his guts out once they left the room. It appears it was out of guilt and they knew the person being implicated was guilty. Just thought it was interesting considering George did the same thing. The rerun was from 2007.

[One2Snoop]

He says that when Tracy heard this story breaking it reminded her of the toothbrush comment and he does say on NG and the transcript should verify, he told her to call LE. I assume she will do that .

Tracy who? :confused: Is she the bounty hunter helper who stayed with Casey 24/7 after the first time she was released? Not sure I've heard this name before. I've been out of the loop for the past few days - a refresher is more than welcomed.

Thanks
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[mu8shark]

Tracy who? :confused: Is she the bounty hunter helper who stayed with Casey 24/7 after the first time she was released? Not sure I've heard this name before. I've been out of the loop for the past few days - a refresher is more than welcomed.

Thanks
O2S Yes Tracy McLaughlin is just named as Leonard's associate and got quite chummy apparently with Casey the short time they were together.