Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[applesandorange]

"Therefore, neither search is more "valid" or "worthy" than the other, yet people seem to support Padilla and condemn the Anthony's. I don't understand why."

1-Caylee has been missing all these months.

2-Smell of decomposition in the car.

3-The hair found in the trunk-coupled with the smell and the chloroform.

4-CASEY AIN'T TALKIN'.

5-Casey is a lying sack of s#it.

Those are just 5 reasons why I believe people are condemning the Anthonys and why the TES and Padilla searches ARE more valid.


I agree! What makes it more valid is that there is PROOF of a dead Caylee being found. There is NO proof to support the Anthony's theory.

[Gatordog]

Deacon, Loretta, A&O, O2S, check your notifications . Gator

[Gatordog]

"Therefore, neither search is more "valid" or "worthy" than the other, yet people seem to support Padilla and condemn the Anthony's. I don't understand why."

1-Caylee has been missing all these months.

2-Smell of decomposition in the car.

3-The hair found in the trunk-coupled with the smell and the chloroform.

4-CASEY AIN'T TALKIN'.

5-Casey is a lying sack of s#it.

Those are just 5 reasons why I believe people are condemning the Anthonys and why the TES and Padilla searches ARE more valid.


Amen! You couldn't have picked five better reasons.

[deacon]

Unless Padilla has a credible lead, what makes his search for a dead Caylee in that particular spot any different from the Anthony's search for a live Caylee?


Padilla has credible information that she is dead. Just like the rest of us do. The one with no credible leads is cindy. With the evidence that has been presented so far, there is a great deal that says that cindy is living in a dream world. She is ignoring facts that have come out and believing who knows what. If she had credible leads she would be giving those leads to LE so that this could be ended. Not stringing it out and keeping her child, who she thinks is innocent and the worlds best mom in jail.

[Reckless]

I agree. After his ketchup spitting demonstration, he pretty much became a joke.So true. The ketchup and a few other things have caused his credibility to be questionable, at best. Why was he not called to testify at the Peterson hearing? And, what about the evidence in the Spector trial? He is already saying "something" rotted was in the trunk, but can't say it was a body because there was a lot of garbage there, although he did admit there is an 'odor' in the car.

Please, Henry Lee GMAB!

[deacon]

deacon, loretta, a&o, o2s, check your notifications . Gator

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[applesandorange]

Amen! You couldn't have picked five better reasons.


I agree and add to that Kid Finders being shady with the head of it having a criminal backgroud, Cindy being nasty to the public, the Anthony's spokesman being "fired" (still not sure about that), the Anthony's STILL haven't made and breaking announcements about the reason they think Caylee is alive, the Anthony's not taking the trip that TM offered to pay for to look for Caylee. Etc... etc... NOTHING about the Anthony's including their spokespeople and Jose Baez are believable.

Gator I gotcha!!

[Gatordog]

One thing I noticed last night on NG. The recording of Casey telling police that she often brough Caylee to Jay Blanchard Park. She said that Caylee liked to run around the Lake on Lake Underhill. These are to totally different locations. Jay Blanchard is one mile north of Colonial Drive and Lake Underhill is about one mile south of Colonial drive and maybe five miles to the west.

I have found out through my source that TES had searched Lake Underhill Park but not the lake. Not in the water. Duh. :shrug:

[Twinners]

"Therefore, neither search is more "valid" or "worthy" than the other, yet people seem to support Padilla and condemn the Anthony's. I don't understand why."

1-Caylee has been missing all these months.

2-Smell of decomposition in the car.

3-The hair found in the trunk-coupled with the smell and the chloroform.

4-CASEY AIN'T TALKIN'.

5-Casey is a lying sack of s#it.

Those are just 5 reasons why I believe people are condemning the Anthonys and why the TES and Padilla searches ARE more valid.
I fully support law enforcement's and TES' searches for those very reasons. However, I don't see where Padilla has any kind of a credible lead that Caylee may have been dumped in the specific location he's searching. That's why I don't think his search is any more valid or worthy than the Anthony's.

[Gatordog]

I agree and add to that Kid Finders being shady with the head of it having a criminal backgroud, Cindy being nasty to the public, the Anthony's spokesman being "fired" (still not sure about that), the Anthony's STILL haven't made and breaking announcements about the reason they think Caylee is alive, the Anthony's not taking the trip that TM offered to pay for to look for Caylee. Etc... etc... NOTHING about the Anthony's including their spokespeople and Jose Baez are believable.

Gator I gotcha!!

:beer:

[samanthajane13]

Thanks Gator!!!

I had a very strange thought...

If "someone" called the tip-line and said that Caylee was spotted at the bus-stop this morning when Katey got on the bus for school, would the Anthonys force LE to travel to WNY to invade Katey's college CSI program to look for her???

It would be interesting to have the entire staff-ALL LE personnel from several different agencies-including the FBI-being interrogated about a little girl who is long-dead.

I'll bet they'd have some fast talking to do...

Better yet-what if the call said that Caylee was spotted at the police station-or the jail where Mommy-Dearest is cooling her heels????

I know-I need a new hobby.

This case is just getting to me.

[Twinners]

Padilla has credible information that she is dead.
But having credible information that she is dead doesn't make him any different than the rest of us. We've all seen the evidence provided by LE, just as he has. What does make him different from us, IMO, is that he's actively conducting searches in places where there is NO credible evidence that her body may be. See what I'm saying?

[samanthajane13]

"I fully support law enforcement's and TES' searches for those very reasons. However, I don't see where Padilla has any kind of a credible lead that Caylee may have been dumped in the specific location he's searching. That's why I don't think his search is any more valid or worthy than the Anthony's."

I believe that someone may have sent in a tip regarding the river.

Even if no tip has come in, if they're investigating the park, they need to check the WHOLE area-including the river.

They have to consider ANY possble way that the body could have been disposed of.

If you're searching a house, do you skip the basement or the attic or the back yard?

No-because that wouldn't be a thorough search.

And welcome to the forum, Twinners! When I responded to your post, I didn't realize you were a newbie!

I'm not trying to beat you up or convince you to change sides-just trying to explain all the possible reasons why they're doing the things they do in a search.

[applesandorange]

I fully support law enforcement's and TES' searches for those very reasons. However, I don't see where Padilla has any kind of a credible lead that Caylee may have been dumped in the specific location he's searching. That's why I don't think his search is any more valid or worthy than the Anthony's.

Well Padilla IS a bounty hunter. He is used to following his own leads, gut feelings etc... Now let me ask....what credible information does the Anthonys have to be conducting their fruitless search that is taking money from people for a purpose that will never be able to produce a child? Also Padilla has never asked anyone for one red cent so just what is your problem with him? Is it that he keeps looking when everyone else has given up? Is it that maybe some people don't want Caylee's remains recovered? What exactly is it that you don't like about Padilla?

[applesandorange]

But having credible information that she is dead doesn't make him any different than the rest of us. We've all seen the evidence provided by LE, just as he has. What does make him different from us, IMO, is that he's actively conducting searches in places where there is NO credible evidence that her body may be. See what I'm saying?


There is credible evidence IMO. Casey bringing up Jay Blanchard park numerous times, her talking about water and her favorite song being about water, AND IIRC Padilla did get a tip. Why search the park and skip the water like Samantha said. Doesn't make sense.

[Gatordog]

But having credible information that she is dead doesn't make him any different than the rest of us. We've all seen the evidence provided by LE, just as he has. What does make him different from us, IMO, is that he's actively conducting searches in places where there is NO credible evidence that her body may be. See what I'm saying?

The reason why we put more faith in Padilla than anyone else is because he has talked straight with us. He said that Casey lies about everything but works the lie around a bit of truth. So there is a good faith effort there to believe she put the body in the river since she mentions the park and has said that she was taken from the park. Have you read any of her statements to the police?

Gator

[Twinners]

"I fully support law enforcement's and TES' searches for those very reasons. However, I don't see where Padilla has any kind of a credible lead that Caylee may have been dumped in the specific location he's searching. That's why I don't think his search is any more valid or worthy than the Anthony's."

I believe that someone may have sent in a tip regarding the river.

Even if no tip has come in, if they're investigating the park, they need to check the WHOLE area-including the river.

They have to consider ANY possble way that the body could have been disposed of.

If you're searching a house, do you skip the basement or the attic or the back yard?

No-because that wouldn't be a thorough search.

And welcome to the forum, Twinners! When I responded to your post, I didn't realize you were a newbie!

I'm not trying to beat you up or convince you to change sides-just trying to explain all the possible reasons why they're doing the things they do in a search.
Thanks for the welcome!

To be honest, the only side I have in all of this is Caylee's. I wish beyond all measure that she would be able to return home one day and be the smiling, happy child she seemed to be. However, with the evidence LE has, I know that just isn't going to happen.

Last night, I took some time and looked through all the pictures of her in the evidence thread. As I did, my heart just absolutely broke for her... and for the family who loved her.

It's been five months since George and Cindy last saw their granddaughter and despite everything that has been discovered in the last four, they still don't know for certain what exactly happened to her. I can't even begin to imagine what that kind of heartbreak must be like. It's something I hope I never have to know.

But, the Anthony's do have to know it. It's a reality for them now. It will most likely be a reality for them always because I really don't think they will ever find out what exactly happened to Caylee. It's thinking of this story from that side of things that allows me to find some understanding for them, even though I very rarely understand the things they do.

[deacon]

There is credible evidence IMO. Casey bringing up Jay Blanchard park numerous times, her talking about water and her favorite song being about water, AND IIRC Padilla did get a tip. Why search the park and skip the water like Samantha said. Doesn't make sense.

What you said.:beer: You beat me to it. Water has been used to dispose of bodies for years. Why search a park and leave a body of water out. As for the a's reason to search for a live Caylee? Don't know. They continue to promise these wonderful leads which if they had, LE would have them. They would, at least some, be public. If you have leads for goodness sakes give it to LE so they can either verify it or debunk it. If you are searching for a live Caylee, get up off of your rear end and look. Not just stand in front of a camera and proclaim she is alive and you know who has her. You know they have said it many times, they know who has her and they are watching them. Give me a break. If they knew where she was they would tell

[deputydi]

But having credible information that she is dead doesn't make him any different than the rest of us. We've all seen the evidence provided by LE, just as he has. What does make him different from us, IMO, is that he's actively conducting searches in places where there is NO credible evidence that her body may be. See what I'm saying?
It probably doesn't make him different than the rest of US but it sure makes him a lot different than the Anthonys. At least the man is doing SOMETHING -- what are the Anthonys doing? Where have they searched? How much cooperation have they provided anyone?

I, personally, don't believe Caylee is going to be found alive or dead. She won't be found alive because she isn't. Her remains won't be found because I believe she was dumped in a body of water with the alligators. I believe that LP is conducting an exercise in futility -- but he is at least doing SOMETHING. All the Anthonys have done is hinder the investigation by buying into Casey's lies and complain that no one is willing do conduct this search THEIR WAY.

Welcome to the boards BTW. My caps are used for emphasis -- I'm not shouting at you. LOL

[Justice Denied?]

I was thinking her change came about right around the time the forensics evidence came out on Aug 1st. :shrug:

You may be right. She must realize they are in for the fight of their lives to save Casey's life. I still say I could not protect a child who killed my granddaughter.

[Twinners]

Hello Twinners and welcome. I'll start giving Cindy and George some credit when they stop changing their stories. Also, this isn't the first time that they offered to give us the details as to why Caylee was taken and backed out of telling us. If they stopped making their daughter into a matyr and at least admitted that she's a conniving, lying thief, well maybe we would all put some belief into what they say. Also, how many people do you know who have their granddaughter live with them for three years and never, not once, ask for the babysitters phone number or address. Come on, my brother doesn't board his dog without giving me the phone number, address, vet number and has me call everyday to check up on her. I think you expect too much of us to give them any valid credibility.:no:

Gator
Thanks for the welcome, Gator!!

I give George and Cindy credit for loving their granddaughter. I think they probably tried their best to take care of her, but being as they weren't her parents, there was only so much they could do. As her mother, Casey had the final say in Caylee's life. Being the kind of person she seems to be, I have no problem believing Casey threatened to not let her parents see Caylee whenever they did something she didn't like. I think that probably meant they lived by her rules more often than she had to live by theirs, even though she lived in their home.

I don't think Cindy and George have tried to make Casey a martyr, but maybe I haven't read everything to do with the case yet. I do recall something about Cindy saying Casey was a liar, etc, but they still didn't think she would hurt Caylee. At least I think it was Cindy that said it. LOL.

I could never imagine Casey volunteering the sitter's contact information to her parents, but I don't think we can know that Cindy and George never tried to get it from her. They could have asked, only to have her refuse it. That seems like something she would do to me.

We know from one of her interviews that Cindy tried to find Caylee on her own during the time Casey was putting her off about seeing Caylee, talking to Caylee and etc. She said she went to said she went to Universal to try to find Caylee with the sitter on one of the days when Casey said she was with her. She didn't, of course, but at least she tried.

One last thing. Cindy and George's changing stories about why they are continuing to look for an alive Caylee really don't matter to me. In truth, I think the only thing they are trying to do is justify their continued search for an alive Caylee to the public when, to me, it doesn't really need any justification at all. I don't think parents or grandparents of a missing child need a reason to continue to look for them alive until they have conclusive proof they are dead. Do you?

[Gatordog]

I missed the end of Nancy Grace last night. Did she say anything about rescheduling the Cindy and George for her show? Last Thursday she said they would be on Friday but NG never said anything else about it.

[One2Snoop]

I missed the end of Nancy Grace last night. Did she say anything about rescheduling the Cindy and George for her show? Last Thursday she said they would be on Friday but NG never said anything else about it.

Haven't heard anything Gator. :shrug:

[Gatordog]

Thanks for the welcome, Gator!!

I give George and Cindy credit for loving their granddaughter. I think they probably tried their best to take care of her, but being as they weren't her parents, there was only so much they could do. As her mother, Casey had the final say in Caylee's life. Being the kind of person she seems to be, I have no problem believing Casey threatened to not let her parents see Caylee whenever they did something she didn't like. I think that probably meant they lived by her rules more often than she had to live by theirs, even though she lived in their home.

I don't think Cindy and George have tried to make Casey a martyr, but maybe I haven't read everything to do with the case yet. I do recall something about Cindy saying Casey was a liar, etc, but they still didn't think she would hurt Caylee. At least I think it was Cindy that said it. LOL.

I could never imagine Casey volunteering the sitter's contact information to her parents, but I don't think we can know that Cindy and George never tried to get it from her. They could have asked, only to have her refuse it. That seems like something she would do to me.

We know from one of her interviews that Cindy tried to find Caylee on her own during the time Casey was putting her off about seeing Caylee, talking to Caylee and etc. She said she went to said she went to Universal to try to find Caylee with the sitter on one of the days when Casey said she was with her. She didn't, of course, but at least she tried.

One last thing. Cindy and George's changing stories about why they are continuing to look for an alive Caylee really don't matter to me. In truth, I think the only thing they are trying to do is justify their continued search for an alive Caylee to the public when, to me, it doesn't really need any justification at all. I don't think parents or grandparents of a missing child need a reason to continue to look for them alive until they have conclusive proof they are dead. Do you?

No not at all. I would hold out faith forever if someone I loved was missing. But, I wouldn't expect people to fall in step with me without telling them why she's alive. And I also would not bad mouth the people who were looking for a dead body either. I would not want to live forever not knowing what happened.

[One2Snoop]

But having credible information that she is dead doesn't make him any different than the rest of us. We've all seen the evidence provided by LE, just as he has. What does make him different from us, IMO, is that he's actively conducting searches in places where there is NO credible evidence that her body may be. See what I'm saying?


There is one thing different - let's not forget the cross that was found hanging from a tree near the river. When NG interviewed Padilla last night she asked him why the polygraph test. Padilla responded that it had something to do with the cross and the few beads his searchers found and how those beads matched some beads seen in Casey's home. Why is LE so interested in getting a poly on him for that I wonder? :confused:

[Justice Denied?]

I was thinking about that last night on my way home and I came up with a theory. Cindy was only using the 911 call and the police arrest to get Casey into jail for 24 hours and then get child welfare to turn Caylee over to her. She was looking to get custody and she was willing to use those bad checks and Casey's arrest as the way to obtain guardianship. What she didn't know at the time during the first calls was that Caylee was gone for a month. She probably thought that Caylee was with someone and once Casey was arrested, she would say where she was and they would get her. Instead, she realized that Caylee was dead and that she wasn't goint to find her so the very next day she was all about getting Casey out from jail and framing someone else for the missing and/or dead child.

Hey, lady, I like your thinking. I never thought of that angle. It makes a lot of sense.

[One2Snoop]

Clip from NG transcript 11/17 about the polygraph and the beads....

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: To be honest with you, I think sometimes, you know, the tactics of putting an individual like me in a car when you could just as easily stand there in front of 100 people and ask them questions is meant to either annoy or upset you, which it doesn`t. I`ve sat in many cop cars. I think that the situation about a lie detector-test being asked in front of people is supposed to make you uncomfortable or disconcerting and I got...

GRACE: Well, you don`t look uncomfortable to me.

PADILLA: No, no.

(CROSSTALK)

PADILLA: I`ve taken lie-detector tests going back to when I was...

GRACE: I hope you passed them.

PADILLA: I think I did, in the military, many, many times. So something like this is probably...

GRACE: What are they -- are people alleging that you planted what was found in the Econ River?

PADILLA: I was asked that by reporters, not by law enforcement. But I think the main thing is the cross that was on the tree...

GRACE: Right.

PADILLA: ... that two young ladies took pictures of back in August. And on the Sunday and Monday that we were there, one of our team members found two little... GRACE: Beads.

PADILLA: ... beads that matched the beads in Casey`s house identically. And I think law enforcement was a little, Oh, my God, how did we miss those? Well, my guys are taught to dig, dig and dig more.

GRACE: Well, with us, taking your calls live tonight, Leonard Padilla. More on the search and the text messages that confirmed what we already suspected about possible motive for Caylee`s disappearance.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html

[Gatordog]

Hey, lady, I like your thinking. I never thought of that angle. It makes a lot of sense.

Why, thank you very much. :beer:

[Twinners]

I was thinking about that last night on my way home and I came up with a theory. Cindy was only using the 911 call and the police arrest to get Casey into jail for 24 hours and then get child welfare to turn Caylee over to her. She was looking to get custody and she was willing to use those bad checks and Casey's arrest as the way to obtain guardianship. What she didn't know at the time during the first calls was that Caylee was gone for a month. She probably thought that Caylee was with someone and once Casey was arrested, she would say where she was and they would get her. Instead, she realized that Caylee was dead and that she wasn't goint to find her so the very next day she was all about getting Casey out from jail and framing someone else for the missing and/or dead child.
I'm not sure how it works in Florida, but here in West Virginia, Caylee would've remained in the State's custody until things were sorted out with Casey. She probably would've been able to stay with her grandparents until they either gave custody back to her or took away her parental rights completely, but until then, Caylee would have remained in custody of the State.

[Twinners]

It probably doesn't make him different than the rest of US but it sure makes him a lot different than the Anthonys. At least the man is doing SOMETHING -- what are the Anthonys doing? Where have they searched? How much cooperation have they provided anyone?

I, personally, don't believe Caylee is going to be found alive or dead. She won't be found alive because she isn't. Her remains won't be found because I believe she was dumped in a body of water with the alligators. I believe that LP is conducting an exercise in futility -- but he is at least doing SOMETHING. All the Anthonys have done is hinder the investigation by buying into Casey's lies and complain that no one is willing do conduct this search THEIR WAY.

Welcome to the boards BTW. My caps are used for emphasis -- I'm not shouting at you. LOL
Thanks for the welcome... and for not yelling at me! LOL.

I don't think Padilla is doing something while the Anthony's are doing nothing. I do think that, like him, the Anthony's are looking for Caylee. They're just looking for an alive Caylee, whereas he's just looking for her body. I see them basically at two opposite ends of the same pole, with neither of them having anything concrete to go on in the middle.

IMO, the only people the Anthony's should be involved/cooperating with are the police because they are the ones who are truly acting in Caylee's best interest. I think they should show that they are supportive of LE efforts to solve the case of missing Caylee and let that be that. Talking to the media, being involved in the various searches and acting as though they are the "lone rangers" in Caylee's case just isn't the way they should be going, IMO.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on Caylee not ever being found alive or dead. I don't think anyone will ever know exactly what happened to her. Casey, who I think is a monster, is the only one who knows and I just can't see her ever telling.

[Twinners]

No not at all. I would hold out faith forever if someone I loved was missing. But, I wouldn't expect people to fall in step with me without telling them why she's alive. And I also would not bad mouth the people who were looking for a dead body either. I would not want to live forever not knowing what happened.
So would I, Gator. See, we aren't that different after all! ;)

I think the Anthony's want people to have hope and belieft that Caylee is alive, just as they do. If people give up hope entirely, then they are going to stop looking for her face. That's something the Anthony's don't want to happen. I think that's understandable.

At the same time, I think it would be in their best interest to acknowledge the evidence LE has that points toward Caylee being dead. That's something I don't think they have done yet and I definitely think they should. Once that's done, I think they should simply say they are going to continue their efforts in looking for Caylee until more concrete proof can be provided.

About Padilla, has he given any reason (other than Casey mentioning it) as to why he's searching that specific area of water?

[deputydi]

I'm not sure how it works in Florida, but here in West Virginia, Caylee would've remained in the States custody until things were sorted out with Casey. She probably would've been able to stay with her grandparents until they either gave custody back to her or took away her parental rights completely, but until then, Caylee would have remained in custody of the State.
That doesn't make sense -- at least not in this case. At the time this all came to a head, Caylee had been missing for a month and there was no child to be put into the State's custody. Casey was in jail and not talking straight to anyone. If they had located Caylee, your scenario might hold water and temp custody would most likely have been granted to Cindy and George. I don't exactly know what you mean by "custody of the State". With two living grandparents, they wouldn't have put her into foster care.

Maybe you can elaborate on what you meant. I could very well have misinterpreted your post.

[deacon]

There is one thing different - let's not forget the cross that was found hanging from a tree near the river. When NG interviewed Padilla last night she asked him why the polygraph test. Padilla responded that it had something to do with the cross and the few beads his searchers found and how those beads matched some beads seen in Casey's home. Why is LE so interested in getting a poly on him for that I wonder? :confused:

I think the poly has to do with what was found. The rocks/bones could have been sent for testing and they just want to make sure they were not planted. Or, like he said, it could be to ask if he or someone he knew planted the cross. Why he would do that is beyond me. I still think they are testing what was found. The toys would be of little good to them as evidence because they looked like common toys that any 3 year old would have. Now the other things (rocks/bones) they would tell the story.

[mu8shark]

Loretta, you are so right. He is staking his whole reputation on these absurd statements. We'll see if he ever takes the stand. I don't think he will because he won't say that nonsense under oath. There have been a lot of cases where he's consulted but not testified because the defense didn't like his outcome. But that won't stop the prosecution from calling him if they think he has info. Saying that a frozen food box can stink up a car with a rotten odor for months is hilarious. Let me tell you, pizza dries up. It gets rock hard after a few days even in Florida it doesn't get moldy and rotten. What a joke. :biggrin:Exactly pizza dries up. On another board I had said I bet maggots would not feast on dried pizza and somebody said oh absolutely they would, Well I guess not according to the FBI who ran the test. I think unfortunately we know what they were feasting on. Interestingly you can test maggots for dna to see what they were feasting on and if conditions are right, it can be very accurate. I know at one time they said they were still holding some forensics back and I wonder about that. They did confisicate the bag, pizza , etc because in the first set of documents it said they sent all that off for forensic testing. Now I wonder about it.

[Twinners]

That doesn't make sense -- at least not in this case. At the time this all came to a head, Caylee had been missing for a month and there was no child to be put into the State's custody. Casey was in jail and not talking straight to anyone. If they had located Caylee, your scenario might hold water and temp custody would most likely have been granted to Cindy and George. I don't exactly know what you mean by "custody of the State". With two living grandparents, they wouldn't have put her into foster care.

Maybe you can elaborate on what you meant. I could very well have misinterpreted your post.
Yes, you're right. At the time this came to a head, there was no child to be put in State's custody. But, as Gator pointed out, that wasn't something Cindy knew when she made the original call. If Caylee had been located, then custody of her would've almost certainly gone to the State, at least here in West Virginia. There is just no way the police would pick her up and bring her to her grandparents without some kind of intervention from them [child welfare]. Since Casey was in jail at the time, someone would have to assume custody. Her grandparents couldn't do it (here, anyway), so Caylee's custody would go to the State, who would most likely place her in the care of her grandparents, not a foster home, until things were worked out with Casey.

[One2Snoop]

Hey there mu8 :seeya:

Did you see my post that gave the link to all the documents/transcripts?

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showpost.php?p=9138711&postcount=5715

[Twinners]

Exactly pizza dries up. On another board I had said I bet maggots would not feast on dried pizza and somebody said oh absolutely they would, Well I guess not according to the FBI who ran the test. I think unfortunately we know what they were feasting on. Interestingly you can test maggots for dna to see what they were feasting on and if conditions are right, it can be very accurate. I know at one time they said they were still holding some forensics back and I wonder about that. They did confisicate the bag, pizza , etc because in the first set of documents it said they sent all that off for forensic testing. Now I wonder about it.
I don't believe for one second that the odor in that car came from pizza. LOL. That said, I don't see how any meat that was on a pizza wouldn't rot and get maggots all over it in that kind of heat in the trunk of a car.

[mu8shark]

Maybe I've missed something, but I really haven't seen anything from Cindy to indicate she's all that concerned with getting Casey out of jail.

It's just my opinion, but I think the only reason Cindy buys any part of Casey's story is because not believing it would mean she'd have to fully face the possibility that Caylee is dead. That's something I don't think she OR George are ready to do yet. They know Casey is a liar, but her story gives them the option of believing Caylee is still alive, so, for now and maybe for always, they're taking it. Until I had definitive proof otherwise, I'm not sure I wouldn't be inclined to do the same thing myself.My main gripe with Cindy is that she lies to get her story out. It is not so much she still wants to believe but she lies. Her two biggest lies that the dogs cleared the yard and the car. They absolutely, positively did not. LE clarified that not only one dog but two hit on the backyard and the trunk. Also she said that in the tow yard managers statement he said the car did not smell until five days after it arrived in the tow yard. . That is a whopper as I have read and reread that statement. The only mention of five days is that in the other case where the man commited suicide in his car , the man was in the car dead for five days. She knows this. She just fabricates things to make Casey look better to the public. She also said when this was over, Casey would be voted mother of the year , which is a nomination for a martyr if I ever saw one. I can why she has let her daughter lie and lie. She does it easily herself. If you read George's interview with LE, it is apparent that even he thinks she is a controlling woman. At one point, he says to LE he can't believe how badly Cindy is treating LE. So at this point, maybe it makes me a horrible person, but I have a lot of trouble feeling sympathy for Cindy. I also think at this point all she cares about is getting Casey off.

[One2Snoop]

I don't believe for one second that the odor in that car came from pizza. LOL. That said, I don't see how any meat that was on a pizza wouldn't rot and get maggots all over it in that kind of heat in the trunk of a car.

Early on when this info first came out one of the news stations did a test - left pizza in the trunk of a car for 10 days - there was no smell and the pizza had dried up. I'll see if I can find the info for you.

[mu8shark]

I don't believe for one second that the odor in that car came from pizza. LOL. That said, I don't see how any meat that was on a pizza wouldn't rot and get maggots all over it in that kind of heat in the trunk of a car. I am just going by the FBI test that they did simulating the same circumstances. It is my opinion that maggots are more to feast on flesh. Just my opinion and have no reason to think the FBI would not know how to test that.

[mu8shark]

Early on when this info first came out one of the news stations did a test - left pizza in the trunk of a car for 10 days - there was no smell and the pizza had dried up. I'll see if I can find the info for you. I completely forgot about that and there were no maggots in their test either.

[mu8shark]

Hey there mu8 :seeya:

Did you see my post that gave the link to all the documents/transcripts?

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showpost.php?p=9138711&postcount=5715 Hey ya Snoop, yes I did and thanks. I am going to go look at Cindys interview transcript.

[Gatordog]

So would I, Gator. See, we aren't that different after all! ;)

I think the Anthony's want people to have hope and belieft that Caylee is alive, just as they do. If people give up hope entirely, then they are going to stop looking for her face. That's something the Anthony's don't want to happen. I think that's understandable.

At the same time, I think it would be in their best interest to acknowledge the evidence LE has that points toward Caylee being dead. That's something I don't think they have done yet and I definitely think they should. Once that's done, I think they should simply say they are going to continue their efforts in looking for Caylee until more concrete proof can be provided.

About Padilla, has he given any reason (other than Casey mentioning it) as to why he's searching that specific area of water?

If Caylee isn't in the Econ River then what's the difference if he looks there and doesn't find a body? It would only eliminate that possibility all together and give people a reason to keep looking.

And people don't forget missing people. I remember Etan Patz, a six year old boy who disappeared from NYC about 30 years ago. Not being in the media's attention in the first place causes people to be unaware. Without publicity, they will never be known or forgotten. I would think that the Anthonys would appreciate any media coverage, especially Padilla's coverage because that's national.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'm not sure how it works in Florida, but here in West Virginia, Caylee would've remained in the State's custody until things were sorted out with Casey. She probably would've been able to stay with her grandparents until they either gave custody back to her or took away her parental rights completely, but until then, Caylee would have remained in custody of the State.

In Arkansas FINS children are put in relative placement before they are put into custody of The State. Since Caylee had lived in G&C's home since birth, I find it unlikely that they wouldn't have received temporary custody (minimally) had the need arisen. Of course, now we know that Cindy is a foul-mouthed harridan who probably isn't much more well-suited to parenting that Casey is. It's very difficult to forget that when she did finally call LE, it was to report the car stolen, and the fact that she and George hadn't seen Caylee in a month was secondary. And her comment about the car smelling like a damned dead body seems so fractious (especially in hindsight). Nasty, she is.

[Twinners]

Early on when this info first came out one of the news stations did a test - left pizza in the trunk of a car for 10 days - there was no smell and the pizza had dried up. I'll see if I can find the info for you.
Thanks! I'm still trying to catch up on all the reading there is with this case. The "documents" thread and I have been spending quite a bit of time together lately. LOL.
I am just going by the FBI test that they did simulating the same circumstances. It is my opinion that maggots are more to feast on flesh. Just my opinion and have no reason to think the FBI would not know how to test that.
I don't have any reason to think that they wouldn't know how to test it either.
I completely forgot about that and there were no maggots in their test either.
Wow. Really? That does surprise me.

[Gatordog]

I don't believe for one second that the odor in that car came from pizza. LOL. That said, I don't see how any meat that was on a pizza wouldn't rot and get maggots all over it in that kind of heat in the trunk of a car.

Well Twinners, WFTV here in Orlando tried that test twice - with the same results, no maggots and no rot. The first time they had the same kind of dominos pizza in the trunk of a car for over 21 days. It was hard as a rock and not one bug was on it and the only smell was a mild pizza scent. The pepperoni was curled up and hard. They did it a second time because Cindy said there was liquid detergent in the trunk of the car. So, they put another pizza in the trunk, poured the detergent out of the bottle and gave it three weeks. The only difference was that the trunk smelled of the laundry detergent which was not a bad odor. No bugs, no rot. In Florida, the inside of a car can easily get to 140 degrees. That would only cause the pizza to harden up.

[One2Snoop]

Here's the article....


Anthony's "Rotten Pizza Theory" Tested By Eyewitness News
Thursday, July 31, 2008 – updated: 5:23 pm EDT July 31, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- One of the biggest clues detectives have in the case of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony is a foul stench in the trunk of the car her mother, Casey, was driving. The family claimed the stench wasn't caused by Caylee's body, but instead by a rotted pizza.
VIDEO REPORT: Eyewitness News Tests "Rotten Pizza Theory"
Eyewitness News has had plenty of viewers question how an old pizza could be confused with a decomposing body. Caylee's grandmother said that the car didn't smell of death, but instead rotting pizza in the trunk. So, Eyewitness News decided leave one in a car to see what happened.
It's not the most scientific experiment, but it might shed light on the validity of the "rotting pizza theory." Eyewitness News took a basic Domino's Meatzza pizza and put the leftovers inside a locked car in the Florida sun.
"It smells like there was a dead body in the damn car," Cindy Anthony told a 911 dispatcher in a call to turn in her daughter.
A detective told prosecutors he smelled it, too.
"The evidence of decomposition would lead you to believe, would it not, that there is the possibility that this child is no longer alive?" the prosecutor asked Det. Yuri Melich.
"Yes, that can be concluded," he said during court room testimony.
"How do you deal with what they're saying about in the trunk of the car?" Eyewitness News later asked Cindy Anthony.
"There was a bag of pizza for like 12 days in the trunk of the car full of maggots. It stunk so bad, you know how hot it's been," she said.
But the Eyewitness News experiment doesn't support the smelly pizza theory after temperatures in the 90s. After seven days, the moisture was gone from the pizza and it had the consistency of shoe leather. More importantly, you have to get really close to smell anything and, when you do, the smell is pizza.
Channel 9 managing editor Joel Davis volunteered his car for the experiment.
"About every other day I've taken a look at it. The first day or two, you open the trunk and you have the smell of pizza. But after that, nothing," he said. "No smell whatsoever."
Detectives also said two cadaver dogs alerted on the trunk of the car Casey allegedly stole from her parents. Cindy Anthony said the pizza was in the car for 12 days, so Eyewitness News will revisit the pizza again in five days.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17053323/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Well, goodnight everyone. I'll be thinking about all of you tonight while I'm watching NG.

Gator

P.S. I'm looking into getting a laptop so I can post from home.

[Twinners]

If Caylee isn't in the Econ River then what's the difference if he looks there and doesn't find a body? It would only eliminate that possibility all together and give people a reason to keep looking.

And people don't forget missing people. I remember Etan Patz, a six year old boy who disappeared from NYC about 30 years ago. Not being in the media's attention in the first place causes people to be unaware. Without publicity, they will never be known or forgotten. I would think that the Anthonys would appreciate any media coverage, especially Padilla's coverage because that's national.
It doesn't make any difference to me, but then, neither does the Anthony's search. LP is basing the location of his search on something Casey said. The Anthony's are basing theirs on something a psychic said. Neither source really seems all that credible to me. LOL.

I have a problem with the reasons why I think LP is still searching for Caylee. He isn't doing it for her, IMO, nor is he doing it to give her family some peace of mind. Again, IMO. I think he's doing it to get some kind of revenge on Casey over the whole bond thing and/or for the publicity. Will any of that matter if he does happen to find Caylee? Probably not.

[One2Snoop]

Well, goodnight everyone. I'll be thinking about all of you tonight while I'm watching NG.

Gator

P.S. I'm looking into getting a laptop so I can post from home.

Have a good night gator and :beer: on the laptop!

[mu8shark]

Well Twinners, WFTV here in Orlando tried that test twice - with the same results, no maggots and no rot. The first time they had the same kind of dominos pizza in the trunk of a car for over 21 days. It was hard as a rock and not one bug was on it and the only smell was a mild pizza scent. The pepperoni was curled up and hard. They did it a second time because Cindy said there was liquid detergent in the trunk of the car. So, they put another pizza in the trunk, poured the detergent out of the bottle and gave it three weeks. The only difference was that the trunk smelled of the laundry detergent which was not a bad odor. No bugs, no rot. In Florida, the inside of a car can easily get to 140 degrees. That would only cause the pizza to harden up. From what I gather on another board, maggots like moisture and in a dried pizza there would not be much of that. Also I confess once I left a hamburger in a sack from a fast food joint and it ended up under the seat without my knowing and there was not a bug on that. I think again because it was cooked and was just dried up. I guess at etiologist or whatever you call them would know the technical answer for that.

[Twinners]

Well Twinners, WFTV here in Orlando tried that test twice - with the same results, no maggots and no rot. The first time they had the same kind of dominos pizza in the trunk of a car for over 21 days. It was hard as a rock and not one bug was on it and the only smell was a mild pizza scent. The pepperoni was curled up and hard. They did it a second time because Cindy said there was liquid detergent in the trunk of the car. So, they put another pizza in the trunk, poured the detergent out of the bottle and gave it three weeks. The only difference was that the trunk smelled of the laundry detergent which was not a bad odor. No bugs, no rot. In Florida, the inside of a car can easily get to 140 degrees. That would only cause the pizza to harden up.

Here's the article....


[B]Anthony's "Rotten Pizza Theory" Tested By Eyewitness News
Thursday, July 31, 2008 – updated: 5:23 pm EDT July 31, 2008

http://www.wftv.com/news/17053323/detail.html
Thanks to both of you for the information!

I have to say, I'm completely shocked that it wouldn't at least have maggots. You can't leave even the smallest shred of meat outside in the heat around here in the summer without getting them.

[deacon]

Well, goodnight everyone. I'll be thinking about all of you tonight while I'm watching NG.

Gator

P.S. I'm looking into getting a laptop so I can post from home.

Have a good evening. About time to go home here. Watch NG and get some sleep. Another day at the mill in the morning.:seeya:

[mu8shark]

Here's the article....


Anthony's "Rotten Pizza Theory" Tested By Eyewitness News
Thursday, July 31, 2008 – updated: 5:23 pm EDT July 31, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- One of the biggest clues detectives have in the case of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony is a foul stench in the trunk of the car her mother, Casey, was driving. The family claimed the stench wasn't caused by Caylee's body, but instead by a rotted pizza.
VIDEO REPORT: Eyewitness News Tests "Rotten Pizza Theory"
Eyewitness News has had plenty of viewers question how an old pizza could be confused with a decomposing body. Caylee's grandmother said that the car didn't smell of death, but instead rotting pizza in the trunk. So, Eyewitness News decided leave one in a car to see what happened.
It's not the most scientific experiment, but it might shed light on the validity of the "rotting pizza theory." Eyewitness News took a basic Domino's Meatzza pizza and put the leftovers inside a locked car in the Florida sun.
"It smells like there was a dead body in the damn car," Cindy Anthony told a 911 dispatcher in a call to turn in her daughter.
A detective told prosecutors he smelled it, too.
"The evidence of decomposition would lead you to believe, would it not, that there is the possibility that this child is no longer alive?" the prosecutor asked Det. Yuri Melich.
"Yes, that can be concluded," he said during court room testimony.
"How do you deal with what they're saying about in the trunk of the car?" Eyewitness News later asked Cindy Anthony.
"There was a bag of pizza for like 12 days in the trunk of the car full of maggots. It stunk so bad, you know how hot it's been," she said.
But the Eyewitness News experiment doesn't support the smelly pizza theory after temperatures in the 90s. After seven days, the moisture was gone from the pizza and it had the consistency of shoe leather. More importantly, you have to get really close to smell anything and, when you do, the smell is pizza.
Channel 9 managing editor Joel Davis volunteered his car for the experiment.
"About every other day I've taken a look at it. The first day or two, you open the trunk and you have the smell of pizza. But after that, nothing," he said. "No smell whatsoever."
Detectives also said two cadaver dogs alerted on the trunk of the car Casey allegedly stole from her parents. Cindy Anthony said the pizza was in the car for 12 days, so Eyewitness News will revisit the pizza again in five days.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17053323/detail.html
Well now of course it is dead squirrels and if I heard right the squirrels crawled up in the front hood of the car and died, which would not account for the smell in the trunk. Also squirrels don't typically stay in an area like that , once the car was started, I would think they would jump off , unless Casey tied them there LOL. Not a squirrel expert LOL but that kind of makes no sense to me. Casey texted that they crawled up there when her Dad drove the car , and George denies he ever drove that car in that time period.

[Twinners]

In Arkansas FINS children are put in relative placement before they are put into custody of The State. Since Caylee had lived in G&C's home since birth, I find it unlikely that they wouldn't have received temporary custody (minimally) had the need arisen. Of course, now we know that Cindy is a foul-mouthed harridan who probably isn't much more well-suited to parenting that Casey is. It's very difficult to forget that when she did finally call LE, it was to report the car stolen, and the fact that she and George hadn't seen Caylee in a month was secondary. And her comment about the car smelling like a damned dead body seems so fractious (especially in hindsight). Nasty, she is.
Yeah, it varies by state. I don't know what the procedure would be in Florida, only here. I doubt Cindy would know either, which lends credence to Gators theory, IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, it varies by state. I don't know what the procedure would be in Florida, only here. I doubt Cindy would know either, which lends credence to Gators theory, IMO.

C'mon. Do you seriously think that once Cindy was advised by the therapist (whoever it is and whatever the circumstances) to gain custody of Caylee, that she didn't have some idea of the process? And that the state of FL clogs up their foster care system with children who have a family that can give them a home? One that they have lived with since they came home from the hospital? I don't know FL laws either, but I'd be shocked if the judge at that time hadn't at least considered putting Caylee with G&C, especially with the help and/or testimony of the therapist.

[TLC]

I think the poly has to do with what was found. The rocks/bones could have been sent for testing and they just want to make sure they were not planted. Or, like he said, it could be to ask if he or someone he knew planted the cross. Why he would do that is beyond me. I still think they are testing what was found. The toys would be of little good to them as evidence because they looked like common toys that any 3 year old would have. Now the other things (rocks/bones) they would tell the story.

IF I recall correctly- CA said LP took the beads from her home and planted them- more than likely the poly has to do with that - to remove any doubt so the A's can stop - also if it came up during trial LE could say NO - we verified. IMO - but I seem to recall that.

[Woostock]

Loretta
Here in MA the system exists as you have stated. I have seen grandparents step in as opposed to a foster family assuming the grandparents are able to take the child. I reported a case not long ago and the grandparents had the child within a week.

[One2Snoop]

Could this not get any crazier?

Caylee-Search Diver Resigned As Deputy After Lying To Captain
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 – updated: 6:05 pm EST November 18, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has uncovered more dirt on someone involved in the case against Casey Anthony. Todd Bosinski was the lead scuba diver who worked with bounty hunter Leonard Padilla to try to find Caylee's body.

Eyewitness News found out Bosinski was recently asked to resign from the Orange County Sheriff's Office, because he had lied to his captain when he said he was a Special Forces medic in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Worse yet for Bosinski, who is the owner of Blackwater Divers, the sheriff's captain he lied to in February 2008 is an Army colonel who apparently sensed right away that Bosinski was full of it.

Blackwater Divers led the search last week in the Little Econ River. Bosinski gave Eyewitness News a hard time when we asked to see the bag of what he said were bones that he had pulled from the river that he said could be Caylee Anthony's bones. Sheriff's and FBI investigators had already dismissed them as nothing more than rocks from the river bed.

Bosinski gave the impression he had credibility as an investigator by telling California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla that he was a former Orange County deputy. But Eyewitness News has learned he's a former deputy because, while he was still a trainee, he lied to his captain, Ralph Groover.

Capt. Groover's memo obtained by Eyewitness News (read memo)
http://www.wftv.com/news/18010149/detail.html
says Bosinski lied on February 18, 2008, that he had served in Iraq and Afghanistan as a Special Forces medic with the 4th Special Forces group. Nine days later, Capt. Groover asked Bosinski to confirm that, but Groover's memo says, at that point, Bosinski said it was all "bulls***" and that none of it was true.

Bosinski resigned a half hour later.

Bosinski told Eyewitness News over the phone Tuesday that the memo is false and that he quit the sheriff's office because you had to be in the right clique to get ahead. He would not talk on camera.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18009642/detail.html

[mu8shark]

Hey there mu8 :seeya:

Did you see my post that gave the link to all the documents/transcripts?

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showpost.php?p=9138711&postcount=5715 Bummer this link is down for these documents..

[Spider]

mu8shark.. Two squirrels climbed in? Remember it was two DEAD squirrels that crawled in! LOL Ha ha ha!! Two dead squirrels my big flat arse. And ain't nobody but Cindy can convince themselves it was rotten pizza. I know you meant the dead rodents anyhoo.

I'll tell you, somebody has just got to take these oars from Cindy so she can stop paddling down that age old river of denial. While I do understand why she does not want to accept what is happening I think she should be held accountable for obstructing what little justice there may be in all of this. There comes a time however that she will have to face the FACTS. After all, what a lame excuse both parents are giving for not even visiting their poor victimized daughter in jail. If she believed Casey were telling the truth why is she not there with her every chance she gets and talking to her attorney??
Cindy is covering her arse for something or something she knows or else she would be there for her child if she thought they were innocent. I know I would even though me and my seventeen year daughter old just grunt at each other right now. (I know some will understand that:-)

BTW....does anyone know when and how Casey got in touch with this attorney?

[mu8shark]

Hmm well this is curious. Why would there be clothes to find if the Zenaida story was true? And if she is alive why would she expect them to find clothes From WESH Casey: 'They Haven't Even Found Caylee's Clothes'
Padilla Associate Quotes Casey Anthony In Interview

POSTED: 3:31 pm EST November 18, 2008
UPDATED: 6:18 pm EST November 18, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Before Casey Anthony was indicted on charges including first-degree murder, the public caught glimpses of what she was thinking: tears at her bond hearing, a high five with brother, Lee, at the jail, but she would not answer the media's questions.

In August, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla posted her $500,000 bond. For the next 10 days, Padilla said, Anthony was plenty chatty with his associate Tracy McLaughlin.


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"She would drop little statements like that when she was being driven to the attorney's office and when she was being driven back when she was with Tracy," Padilla said.

In the first information released regarding the 10 days Padilla spent with Anthony, he said her remarks rebutted what was being said on TV. A lead investigator confirms that during one of those trips, Anthony blurted out "They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing" about those searching for Caylee.

That investigator called Anthony’s comment "an important statement." So does Padilla.

"Everything's been a game to her. That statement they haven't even found the clothes yet leads us to believe the clothing were somewhere but not in proximity of the body," Padilla said.

Investigators WESH 2 News spoke with agree. They confirm the clothes Caylee was last seen wearing on June 16 have not been recovered.

Investigators confirm they have gone to California and questioned McLaughlin.

She was unable to be reached for further comment.

[mu8shark]

mu8shark.. Two squirrels climbed in? Remember it was two DEAD squirrels that crawled in! LOL Ha ha ha!! Two dead squirrels my big flat arse. And ain't nobody but Cindy can convince themselves it was rotten pizza. I know you meant the dead rodents anyhoo.

I'll tell you, somebody has just got to take these oars from Cindy so she can stop paddling down that age old river of denial. While I do understand why she does not want to accept what is happening I think she should be held accountable for obstructing what little justice there may be in all of this. There comes a time however that she will have to face the FACTS. After all, what a lame excuse both parents are giving for not even visiting their poor victimized daughter in jail. If she believed Casey were telling the truth why is she not there with her every chance she gets and talking to her attorney??
Cindy is covering her arse for something or something she knows or else she would be there for her child if she thought they were innocent. I know I would even though me and my seventeen year daughter old just grunt at each other right now. (I know some will understand that:-)

BTW....does anyone know when and how Casey got in touch with this attorney?Well George said in his interview that someone in jail recommended this douche bag. Sorry for that but I think Baez is not such a good lawyer. To file that counterclaim is just ludicrous because it exposes his client. George by the way said he does not like Baez. He thinks Baez is in it for the publicity. What's new, eh?

[mu8shark]

Could this not get any crazier?

Caylee-Search Diver Resigned As Deputy After Lying To Captain
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 – updated: 6:05 pm EST November 18, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News has uncovered more dirt on someone involved in the case against Casey Anthony. Todd Bosinski was the lead scuba diver who worked with bounty hunter Leonard Padilla to try to find Caylee's body.

Eyewitness News found out Bosinski was recently asked to resign from the Orange County Sheriff's Office, because he had lied to his captain when he said he was a Special Forces medic in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Worse yet for Bosinski, who is the owner of Blackwater Divers, the sheriff's captain he lied to in February 2008 is an Army colonel who apparently sensed right away that Bosinski was full of it.

Blackwater Divers led the search last week in the Little Econ River. Bosinski gave Eyewitness News a hard time when we asked to see the bag of what he said were bones that he had pulled from the river that he said could be Caylee Anthony's bones. Sheriff's and FBI investigators had already dismissed them as nothing more than rocks from the river bed.

Bosinski gave the impression he had credibility as an investigator by telling California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla that he was a former Orange County deputy. But Eyewitness News has learned he's a former deputy because, while he was still a trainee, he lied to his captain, Ralph Groover.

Capt. Groover's memo obtained by Eyewitness News (read memo)
http://www.wftv.com/news/18010149/detail.html
says Bosinski lied on February 18, 2008, that he had served in Iraq and Afghanistan as a Special Forces medic with the 4th Special Forces group. Nine days later, Capt. Groover asked Bosinski to confirm that, but Groover's memo says, at that point, Bosinski said it was all "bulls***" and that none of it was true.

Bosinski resigned a half hour later.

Bosinski told Eyewitness News over the phone Tuesday that the memo is false and that he quit the sheriff's office because you had to be in the right clique to get ahead. He would not talk on camera.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18009642/detail.htmlI know nothing about this diver period but what I find ironic is that a lot of people including Tim Miller came down on Leonard because they were sure he was going to try and just hold up the bones for camera(if he found them). Now these divers come in for criticism by the media for not showing the bones to them right away. The media wants to be first to see everything but they ream you if do show them first as a publicity hound.

[One2Snoop]

Bummer this link is down for these documents..

I just tried the document link and it works for me. Maybe it was just a temporary glitch of some sort.

[One2Snoop]

Court date set to hear motions in Casey Anthony case
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:11 PM EST, November 18, 2008

Orange Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland set a date for next week to hear nearly a dozen motions filed in the Casey Anthony case.

The motions range from Anthony's attorney Jose Baez asking to bring a laptop into the Orange County Jail so he can use it to prepare for trial with his client to another defense request to inspect the hairs found in the trunk of Anthony's car.

Another filing includes a response from the Orlando Sentinel and WFTV-Channel 9 opposing the gag order requested earlier by the state.

The issues will be addressed on Nov. 25 at 2 p.m.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-111808,0,6143368.story

[deputydi]

Loretta
Here in MA the system exists as you have stated. I have seen grandparents step in as opposed to a foster family assuming the grandparents are able to take the child. I reported a case not long ago and the grandparents had the child within a week.
Of course Loretta's right. No CPS in any State is going to put a minor child into the "system" when the grandparents with whom she had been living since birth were ready, willing and able to take custody.

Besides, in this instance at least, temp custody of Caylee would have been a County issue -- not State. It would have been the County's CPS (or whatever the agency is called in FL) that would have stepped in if necessary.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well George said in his interview that someone in jail recommended this douche bag. Sorry for that but I think Baez is not such a good lawyer. To file that counterclaim is just ludicrous because it exposes his client. George by the way said he does not like Baez. He thinks Baez is in it for the publicity. What's new, eh?

Man, I love Crime Library! So many public boards censor douche bag.

[One2Snoop]

Man, I love Crime Library! So many public boards censor douche bag.


ROFL :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

O2S, we should all take a nanosecond to toast Crime Library! :beer:

Or twice. :beer::beer:

[applesandorange]

Is anyone watching NG tonight? I took the kids to Pizza Hut for their Book Its and I'm wondering if NG is worth catching at 10:00?

[mu8shark]

O2S, we should all take a nanosecond to toast Crime Library! :beer:

Or twice. :beer::beer: You guys crack me up so much! A toast to the message board and the people on it. :beer: I once got reprimanded on another board for pointing out that Drew Peterson's initials also were the same as Dog Poop!

[One2Snoop]

Is anyone watching NG tonight? I took the kids to Pizza Hut for their Book Its and I'm wondering if NG is worth catching at 10:00?

Prolly not. I was only half watching it though. Perper said the only reason the stinch can last that long in the car is if the body was stored in the trunk for a period of time, like say, 2 weeks.

[mu8shark]

Is anyone watching NG tonight? I took the kids to Pizza Hut for their Book Its and I'm wondering if NG is worth catching at 10:00? Well it was kind of worth it hear Joshua Perper reply to Henry Lee's assertion that the body farm is reaching to say it was a decomposed body. Perper said it is obvious there was a body in there for in his estimation for about two weeks for it still to reek like that.In fact what I recall of Perper from the Anna Nicole case was that he was boringly scientific. He had no sensational claims that he knew if she commited suicide, was murdered, was or was not a druggie. He just recited the evidence and did not speak until it came back and he was good and ready. He would be perfect for this case but I think his neck of the woods is not in the correct county.

[applesandorange]

Prolly not. I was only half watching it though. Perper said the only reason the stinch can last that long in the car is if the body was stored in the trunk for a period of time, like say, 2 weeks.


Thanks. I was debating watching it. This case is really getting to me and if there was nothing new on I dont need to see it. The rehashing of the same stuff....... I wish there would be a break in this case. It's so frustrating.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is anyone watching NG tonight? I took the kids to Pizza Hut for their Book Its and I'm wondering if NG is worth catching at 10:00?

Something that was notable to me was that when NG talked to LP she warned him not to go down the G&C bashing road. (Didn't really get the feeling that he was about to.) She mentioned also (I think) that the Ant press conference is going to go on, and I got the impression that it could be at any minute.

I swear, Nancy is truly kinder and gentler lately.

[applesandorange]

Well it was kind of worth it hear Joshua Perper reply to Henry Lee's assertion that the body farm is reaching to say it was a decomposed body. Perper said it is obvious there was a body in there for in his estimation for about two weeks for it still to reek like that.In fact what I recall of Perper from the Anna Nicole case was that he was boringly scientific. He had no sensational claims that he knew if she commited suicide, was murdered, was or was not a druggie. He just recited the evidence and did not speak until it came back and he was good and ready. He would be perfect for this case but I think his neck of the woods is not in the correct county.


Okay so there was something new on. Knowing me I'll watch it just to see what's being said lol. Thanks.

[mu8shark]

Prolly not. I was only half watching it though. Perper said the only reason the stinch can last that long in the car is if the body was stored in the trunk for a period of time, like say, 2 weeks.Also Cindy and George have announced they have hard evidence that Caylee is alive but they are waiting till sometime this week to announce it. Guess whoever they think Caylee is with must be a friend or someone safe for them to wait around and let Casey rot in there. :tongue:

[applesandorange]

Something that was notable to me was that when NG talked to LP she warned him not to go down the G&C bashing road. (Didn't really get the feeling that he was about to.) She mentioned also (I think) that the Ant press conference is going to go on, and I got the impression that it could be at any minute.

I swear, Nancy is truly kinder and gentler lately.


You know Loretta I wonder if Nancy's new attitude isn't do to the fact that she would really like to have the A's on and they won't come on because they know her attitude and how negative the public is. I got the impression when NG had both LP and TM on that she was being more of a mediator and trying to say she's not taking sides. I think she may have gotten a talking to by someone. Maybe the fact that TM refused to appear that one night and the A's cancelling. I'm not complaining about her new tude, just wish she wouldn't have been so kind too HL. LoL :beer::beer: to the board and the great people

[applesandorange]

Also Cindy and George have announced they have hard evidence that Caylee is alive but they are waiting till sometime this week to announce it. Guess whoever they think Caylee is with must be a friend or someone safe for them to wait around and let Casey rot in there. :tongue:


Yeah and this hard evidence is such that they know she's not going anywhere and they don't need to get LE involved because she will be there in a few days. HAHA WHATEVER Cindy!!

[One2Snoop]

Also Cindy and George have announced they have hard evidence that Caylee is alive but they are waiting till sometime this week to announce it. Guess whoever they think Caylee is with must be a friend or someone safe for them to wait around and let Casey rot in there. :tongue:

:rolleyes: I purposely left that out of my post - cause I'm sick of hearing it. LOL. We heard that last week and the week before and we heard about thousands of tips proving she's alive and voila, :shrug: nothing.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know Loretta I wonder if Nancy's new attitude isn't do to the fact that she would really like to have the A's on and they won't come on because they know her attitude and how negative the public is. I got the impression when NG had both LP and TM on that she was being more of a mediator and trying to say she's not taking sides. I think she may have gotten a talking to by someone. Maybe the fact that TM refused to appear that one night and the A's cancelling. I'm not complaining about her new tude, just wish she wouldn't have been so kind too HL. LoL :beer::beer: to the board and the great people

hehehe That's the price we pay; having her all butter won't melt in the mouth to Henwee. She probably has people reading the boards and reporting the bashes back to her.

Another thing that was brought up a few times, is that Casey had mentioned that Caylee's clothes from the day she went missing haven't been found.

Dun Da Dun Dun Duuunnhhh

[mu8shark]

Anyone want to take a guess at what out there story will be the hard evidence? I saw on the news that a oil tanker was hijacked by pirates off the coast of East Africa. You don't suppose some oil cartel took her for ransom and some citizen saw her at a Wendy's out in the ocean?? What could this be? I mean, I know I am sarcastic, but I remember when the airport thing happened Cindy said the little girl at the airport walked up to this lady and said My name is Caylee Marie. Trouble is, there was no child like that on the manifest. I bet it is something so vague LE won't be able to even check it out. If they are too specific, it will be too easy to disprove.

[mu8shark]

You know Loretta I wonder if Nancy's new attitude isn't do to the fact that she would really like to have the A's on and they won't come on because they know her attitude and how negative the public is. I got the impression when NG had both LP and TM on that she was being more of a mediator and trying to say she's not taking sides. I think she may have gotten a talking to by someone. Maybe the fact that TM refused to appear that one night and the A's cancelling. I'm not complaining about her new tude, just wish she wouldn't have been so kind too HL. LoL :beer::beer: to the board and the great people She is definitely gentler lately. I also agree she wants them on her show and is trying hard to appear that she would be nice to the Anthonys. But you know Cindy if you ask her a hard question, she just lies when she does not want to give the real answer. When the reporter ask her about the smell and said, "But Cindy those dogs are trained to smell dead bodies," Cindy just said "and the same dogs that cleared our house and yard cleared the trunk. " Uh huh

[applesandorange]

Anyone want to take a guess at what out there story will be the hard evidence? I saw on the news that a oil tanker was hijacked by pirates off the coast of East Africa. You don't suppose some oil cartel took her for ransom and some citizen saw her at a Wendy's out in the ocean?? What could this be? I mean, I know I am sarcastic, but I remember when the airport thing happened Cindy said the little girl at the airport walked up to this lady and said My name is Caylee Marie. Trouble is, there was no child like that on the manifest. I bet it is something so vague LE won't be able to even check it out. If they are too specific, it will be too easy to disprove.


It really could be those pirates!! I heard they've been taking lots of kids lately to work for them. The little ones they are using to get the attention of people while the pirates steal their money and purses and such. You know, I bet it WAS the pirates. Makes total sense to me haha. :D;)

[applesandorange]

She is definitely gentler lately. I also agree she wants them on her show and is trying hard to appear that she would be nice to the Anthonys. But you know Cindy if you ask her a hard question, she just lies when she does not want to give the real answer. When the reporter ask her about the smell and said, "But Cindy those dogs are trained to smell dead bodies," Cindy just said "and the same dogs that cleared our house and yard cleared the trunk. " Uh huh


Yeah Cindy doesn't even make sense half the time. The other half the time she is lying so to me when she talks I act like her and put my fingers in my ears and go lalalalala

[lorettalockhorn]

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens1340551_lalalalalala.gif

[Justice Denied?]

Anyone want to take a guess at what out there story will be the hard evidence? I saw on the news that a oil tanker was hijacked by pirates off the coast of East Africa. You don't suppose some oil cartel took her for ransom and some citizen saw her at a Wendy's out in the ocean?? What could this be? I mean, I know I am sarcastic, but I remember when the airport thing happened Cindy said the little girl at the airport walked up to this lady and said My name is Caylee Marie. Trouble is, there was no child like that on the manifest. I bet it is something so vague LE won't be able to even check it out. If they are too specific, it will be too easy to disprove.

Shark,

Did you happen to notice that Cindy said Caylee was spotted at the Orlando airport on two different days? Like the kidnappers are just going to hang around in a public place like that.

[One2Snoop]

Shark,

Did you happen to notice that Cindy said Caylee was spotted at the Orlando airport on two different days? Like the kidnappers are just going to hang around in a public place like that.

She said two different days? http://i34.tinypic.com/2ewkv90.jpgHow the heck did I miss that? Insane.

[mu8shark]

Shark,

Did you happen to notice that Cindy said Caylee was spotted at the Orlando airport on two different days? Like the kidnappers are just going to hang around in a public place like that.It's like all these public sightings, the one at McDonalds. If someone had that child with all this publicity, why would they drag her all over in front of people. A kidnapper would keep her behind closed doors period. Her face is all over the place.

[One2Snoop]

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens1340551_lalalalalala.gif

ROFL! I hear ya. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Has this been posted here?

For Immediate Release
From the Desk of Tim Miller
Founder/Director
Texas EquuSearch

...The many who donated did so from their heart, for the search for Caylee, and with the intent of the money being sent to a non-profit organization, with full tax donation benefits.

Unfortunately, any donations that were directed to any account, other than Texas EquuSearch will not qualify for IRS tax deductions in accordance with rules associated with 501(c)3 organizations. Those donations were deposited into an account other than a Texas EquuSearch owned account and were never forwarded to TES. Because the account is not owned or registered to a 501(c)3 organization, monies contributed cannot be claimed on tax returns. This may become very confusing when donors begin filing their taxes.

When people begin filing their tax returns, claiming donations which they believe went to Texas EquuSearch and which we never received, TES will be audited...


http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1942

[One2Snoop]

Has this been posted here?

For Immediate Release
From the Desk of Tim Miller
Founder/Director
Texas EquuSearch

...The many who donated did so from their heart, for the search for Caylee, and with the intent of the money being sent to a non-profit organization, with full tax donation benefits.

Unfortunately, any donations that were directed to any account, other than Texas EquuSearch will not qualify for IRS tax deductions in accordance with rules associated with 501(c)3 organizations. Those donations were deposited into an account other than a Texas EquuSearch owned account and were never forwarded to TES. Because the account is not owned or registered to a 501(c)3 organization, monies contributed cannot be claimed on tax returns. This may become very confusing when donors begin filing their taxes.

When people begin filing their tax returns, claiming donations which they believe went to Texas EquuSearch and which we never received, TES will be audited...


http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1942

I did see that posted a few days ago and No its not posted here - my bad :punch: I figured everyone here knew better. :patriot:

[One2Snoop]

It's like all these public sightings, the one at McDonalds. If someone had that child with all this publicity, why would they drag her all over in front of people. A kidnapper would keep her behind closed doors period. Her face is all over the place.

Exactly mu8 - or they'd cut her hair/color it etc... anything to make her look different than Caylee if they did take her out in public IMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

I did see that posted a few days ago and No its not posted here - my bad :punch: I figured everyone here knew better. :patriot:

As if you don't do enough! :seeya: Just such a shame that those donations will have missed the mark all the way around.

(Some of the comments are hilarious.)

[sharlock]

Exactly pizza dries up. On another board I had said I bet maggots would not feast on dried pizza and somebody said oh absolutely they would, Well I guess not according to the FBI who ran the test. I think unfortunately we know what they were feasting on. Interestingly you can test maggots for dna to see what they were feasting on and if conditions are right, it can be very accurate. I know at one time they said they were still holding some forensics back and I wonder about that. They did confisicate the bag, pizza , etc because in the first set of documents it said they sent all that off for forensic testing. Now I wonder about it.
I think they would have had to release that type of evidence to al tleast the prosecution and that it would have come out by now if they had, though I can still hope the maggies hold the key to unlock the investigation.

[TLC]

IF the A's claim kidnapping - and I roll my eyes at it - what is the purpose? Kidnappers want SOMETHING and Casey has nothing. Her parents are not wealthy- there is nothing to be gained from it. If they just wanted a child- then there are plenty that DON'T have people looking for them - IMO they would have left caylee on a doorstep to avoid all the publicity surrounding this case. I think the fact that casey is sitting in a jail cell negates the kidnapping claims, baez, someone would have come forward with or without co-operation from the A's to have her released if they had even the slightest shred of CREDIBLE evidence. IMO- they are putting this out to create reasonable doubt to potential jurors- and that is what I think this entire stance of her being alive is. In their minds I suppose they think they are helping.

[deacon]

No kidnaper in their right mind would be in a public with a person/child they took. Certainly not taking public transportation (airport) and certainly not in a mickey d's where all the people in the world would see her.

Grasping at straws. I would not suprise me in the least if they either do not hold a presser or if the "evidence" they present is old news and not reliable at all. The longer this goes, the more parinoid they become it seems

[Gatordog]

Good morning folks! :seeya:

Cindy Anthony has allowed a reporter into her home. She's all sweetness and honey now to the reporter. A few months ago she shook a hammer at them and called them all "maggots". I guess the new public relations person is trying to put a kinder, gentler Cindy out to the public. Won't work for long. A tiger can't change its stripes. If Cindy needs you, she's so nice, if she doesn't need you or you disagree with her, then she's a pitbull on steroids!

Gator

http://www.local6.com/news/18013764/detail.html

[Gatordog]

"They haven't even found Caylee's clothes" report on WESH and WFTV.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18013728/detail.html

[NMurphy02]

Good morning folks! :seeya:

Cindy Anthony has allowed a reporter into her home. She's all sweetness and honey now to the reporter. A few months ago she shook a hammer at them and called them all "maggots". I guess the new public relations person is trying to put a kinder, gentler Cindy out to the public. Won't work for long. A tiger can't change its stripes. If Cindy needs you, she's so nice, if she doesn't need you or you disagree with her, then she's a pitbull on steroids!

Gator

http://www.local6.com/news/18013764/detail.html


Plus I guess they will walk right into heaven because they haven't done anything wrong? hmmm...interesting she wouldn't comment on her daughter partying like it was 1999 while her granddaughter was "missing"

[One2Snoop]

"They haven't even found Caylee's clothes" report on WESH and WFTV.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18013728/detail.html

Yup thats a pretty odd statement to make. Does Casey think this is a game - like an easter egg hunt for cripes sake. :cuss:

[Gatordog]

IF the A's claim kidnapping - and I roll my eyes at it - what is the purpose? Kidnappers want SOMETHING and Casey has nothing. Her parents are not wealthy- there is nothing to be gained from it. If they just wanted a child- then there are plenty that DON'T have people looking for them - IMO they would have left caylee on a doorstep to avoid all the publicity surrounding this case. I think the fact that casey is sitting in a jail cell negates the kidnapping claims, baez, someone would have come forward with or without co-operation from the A's to have her released if they had even the slightest shred of CREDIBLE evidence. IMO- they are putting this out to create reasonable doubt to potential jurors- and that is what I think this entire stance of her being alive is. In their minds I suppose they think they are helping.

Exactly. Just like the little boy who was taken last month from the house in Las Vegas. The grandfather owed millions in drug money so they took his grandson. But, when it was flashed all over the country. They jut dropped him off two days later. If someone took Caylee because Casey owed them money, would they be taking her to every single MacDonalds in the country? Would they spend money flying her around the country?

[One2Snoop]

Additional documents released....

Files Released In Casey Anthony Case
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:14:41 PM

Authorities are releasing hundreds of pages of documents in the Casey Anthony case, including interviews with friends and families, text messages and more.

Here are those pages with unrelated information removed and the remainder edited to remove personal information, such as dates of birth and phone numbers.

Note: Some PDFs are lengthy, so please be patient while the documents load.

Documents Released Nov. 18, 2008

Application For Subpoena
Compel Calendar
Compel Crime Scenes
Compel Notes
Compel Reports
Compel Tips Gathered By Law Enforcement
Motion To Compel K9
Preserve Evidence
Sentinel And WFTV Motion To Intervene
Use Of Laptops In Jail

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

[Gatordog]

I wonder, Sharlock, if Henwee was just generalizing about the 'maggots and insects'. The bag was in the dumpster, right? A totally different climate than the trunk, and probably full of ants and maggots. In other words, just saying maggots and insects, but not saying they came out of the trunk...? Unless LE was holding back about frozen food boxes and meat, I wonder where that came from too.... never heard of that, did you? He was purposefully evasive, plus, he's nuts ;) so who knows what to think :confused:.

IMO he was being deliberately evasive. The pizza was supposedly a Dominos box and it was a medium size Lotsa Meatsa pizza. Whether or not there were any slices left, is debatable. I read there were three slices and then there were no slices. But the meat and cheese bits that were remaining stuck on the box would hardly cause any stink at all.

[Gatordog]

Regarding NG last night - she asked Mark Klass what he thought about the Anthonys, their detective and Kid Finders having a press conference later in the week to give the public information on why Caylee is alive and how to find her. Mark Klass could not believe what he had heard. He said any reputable organization which was meant to find missing children would have an immediate press conference or they would have gone to the police and the police would release the information ASAP. He could not believe waiting until the end of the week for a press conference, unless there was really nothing to tell. :confused:

[Justice Denied?]

Perper always came across as a professional.. No media hound, he waits to speak until he has all the facts. Also we can't forget, he's not on anyone's payroll, so he's able to not talk out of the side of his mouth!

More of the same so it seems, the Anthony's will be having a press conference later in the week per their new spokesperson...so, if they do have hard evidence :rolleyes: why would they wait to tell anyone? Guess it's been so long since they've seen Caylee, that another few more days won't matter.

They haven't even found Caylee's clothes (she was wearing)....?! THAT, is chilling. Did she undress this child before she disposed of her body?

This is going to be SOOOOOOOOOOOOme Book.

Sure seems that Nancy has someone reading trutv message boards for her, because many of us commented about her, and then she changed her tone. After all, this was her old stompin' grounds.

Another thing about the clothes: Cindy told LE in her interview that the only clothes for Caylee found in the car were a few things in the backpack. Now, if Zanida snatched her at the park, wouldn't Casey still have her clothes, etc?

[Justice Denied?]

She said two different days? http://i34.tinypic.com/2ewkv90.jpgHow the heck did I miss that? Insane.

I may have read it wrong but IIRC it was like late in the evening, overnight and the next day. She told about the woman asking her name and she said, "Caylee Marie". I don't think she meant she was there the whole time but it was two consecutive days.

[applesandorange]

http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens1340551_lalalalalala.gif


LoL!! Thanks Loretta! That's exactly the way I feel

[Justice Denied?]

It's like all these public sightings, the one at McDonalds. If someone had that child with all this publicity, why would they drag her all over in front of people. A kidnapper would keep her behind closed doors period. Her face is all over the place.

Again I ask, what kind of kidnapper keeps a hostage five months? The people who want a child for themselves, the pedophile, or those waiting for a ransom?

Why did Casey only have to follow the script for 30 days? What happened then? Is she now free to talk since the 30:shrug: days are up?

[deacon]

IMO he was being deliberately evasive. The pizza was supposedly a Dominos box and it was a medium size Lotsa Meatsa pizza. Whether or not there were any slices left, is debatable. I read there were three slices and then there were no slices. But the meat and cheese bits that were remaining stuck on the box would hardly cause any stink at all.

Plus the meat on a pizza is cooked. Maggots seem to go after meat that is raw and rotting. Sorry.

[One2Snoop]

Plus the meat on a pizza is cooked. Maggots seem to go after meat that is raw and rotting. Sorry.


ewwwwwww! (LoL)

[lorettalockhorn]

Again I ask, what kind of kidnapper keeps a hostage five months? The people who want a child for themselves, the pedophile, or those waiting for a ransom?

Why did Casey only have to follow the script for 30 days? What happened then? Is she now free to talk since the 30:shrug: days are up?

The kidnappers insisted on a thirty day head start to McDonald's? :confused:

John Morgan's statement in the local6 news made me wonder just how insane it would be if Cindy actually DID go door to door looking for Caylee. :eek:
9
"I think the mother (of Casey Anthony) -- in a way -- seems to be enjoying this whole thing," Morgan said. "Instead of talking about chasing ambulances, I would be chasing after Caylee. I would be in the woods. I would be door to door.")

[applesandorange]

Again I ask, what kind of kidnapper keeps a hostage five months? The people who want a child for themselves, the pedophile, or those waiting for a ransom?

Why did Casey only have to follow the script for 30 days? What happened then? Is she now free to talk since the 30:shrug: days are up?


I've been wondering that same thing. If she was told to follow the script for 30 days why isn't she talking now since it's been more than 30 days?

[deacon]

Again I ask, what kind of kidnapper keeps a hostage five months? The people who want a child for themselves, the pedophile, or those waiting for a ransom?

Why did Casey only have to follow the script for 30 days? What happened then? Is she now free to talk since the 30:shrug: days are up?


I've been wondering that same thing. If she was told to follow the script for 30 days why isn't she talking now since it's been more than 30 days?

Makes one wonder doesn't it. Have you ever heard of a kidnaper telling some one to tell a certain story to LE for 30 days? That is a new one on me.

[Twinners]

I wonder, Sharlock, if Henwee was just generalizing about the 'maggots and insects'. The bag was in the dumpster, right? A totally different climate than the trunk, and probably full of ants and maggots. In other words, just saying maggots and insects, but not saying they came out of the trunk...? Unless LE was holding back about frozen food boxes and meat, I wonder where that came from too.... never heard of that, did you? He was purposefully evasive, plus, he's nuts ;) so who knows what to think :confused:.
Tony, Casey's boyfriend, actually mentions her having groceries and some clothes with her the day he picked her up from AmScot in his police interview. He mentions freezer pops and chicken and says they didn't appear to be from a grocery store, but rather, from Casey's. He talks about the bags they were in, as well.

I wonder if this is the frozen food we're hearing about now?

Here's a link to the PDF file of his interview: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

The food is mentioned on pages 23 and 24.

[lorettalockhorn]

Tony, Casey's boyfriend, actually mentions her having groceries and some clothes with her the day he picked her up from AmScot in his police interview. He mentions freezer pops and chicken and says they didn't appear to be from a grocery store, but rather, from Casey's. He talks about the bags they were in, as well.

I wonder if this is the frozen food we're hearing about now?

Here's a link to the PDF file of his interview: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

The food is mentioned on pages 23 and 24.

Yep, and I can actually imagine Casey purposely leaving something in the trunk to thaw and rot so as to account for the stench.

[Twinners]

Yep, and I can actually imagine Casey purposely leaving something in the trunk to thaw and rot so as to account for the stench.
Yeah, me too. Talk about covering your bases. I absolutely cannot even stomach the thought of her. :mad:

I was just reading through the timeline thread and was surprised to see the "My Caylee Is Missing" message was written by Cindy Anthony. I've read it about a million times, it seems, but until a few minutes ago, I thought Casey wrote it. It makes a lot more sense to me now. If only Cindy could have called the police on Casey then.

One question I can't seem to find the answer to is whatever happened to the shovel Casey borrowed from the neighbor? Does anyone know?

[One2Snoop]

Yeah, me too. Talk about covering your bases. I absolutely cannot even stomach the thought of her. :mad:

I was just reading through the timeline thread and was surprised to see the "My Caylee Is Missing" message was written by Cindy Anthony. I've read it about a million times, it seems, but until a few minutes ago, I thought Casey wrote it. It makes a lot more sense to me now. If only Cindy could have called the police on Casey then.

One question I can't seem to find the answer to is whatever happened to the shovel Casey borrowed from the neighbor? Does anyone know?

LE took it in as evidence.

[Twinners]

LE took it in as evidence.
Thanks!!

I think the shovel is an interesting piece of evidence. I know the dogs hit on something in the Anthony's yard. I keep wondering if Casey may have buried Caylee's clothes there.

[One2Snoop]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-dna-results-102408,0,7783945.story

• The root of the hair showed signs of decomposition. A comparison to hair taken from Caylee's brush and DNA taken from Anthony showed that neither the mother nor the daughter could be excluded as the source of the hair.
• Pants, skirts and shirts taken from Anthony's home showed no signs of hair with decomposing roots.
• Residues of chloroform were found on a tire cover in te trunk.
• A hair fragment was found in the label on the handle of a shovel Anthony borrowed from a neighbor in mid-June, about the time Caylee is supposed to have disappeared. The hair was too small for microscopic comparison but DNA analysis found it did not belong to Casey Anthony or Caylee.
• No fingerprints were found on the shovel.

Air samples and pieces of carpet from the trunk were sent Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee to determine whether there was signs of decomposition. The lab has been doing this type of research since 2002 and has developed the Decompositional Odor Analysis database.

[lorettalockhorn]

Yeah, me too. Talk about covering your bases. I absolutely cannot even stomach the thought of her. :mad:

I was just reading through the timeline thread and was surprised to see the "My Caylee Is Missing" message was written by Cindy Anthony. I've read it about a million times, it seems, but until a few minutes ago, I thought Casey wrote it. It makes a lot more sense to me now. If only Cindy could have called the police on Casey then.

One question I can't seem to find the answer to is whatever happened to the shovel Casey borrowed from the neighbor? Does anyone know?

Yes, Cindy supposedly wrote that in the first week of July. But did nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

[applesandorange]

Thanks!!

I think the shovel is an interesting piece of evidence. I know the dogs hit on something in the Anthony's yard. I keep wondering if Casey may have buried Caylee's clothes there.

That's an interesting thought and makes a lot of sense. Makes me wonder if the A's didn't find that clothing. I only say that because I do think they know more than what they are saying. BTW welcome to the board!! :beer: I also want to apologize about coming across harshly the other day. This case just gets to me so bad at times. I was asking questions to try and better understand your thinking. Anyway I hope there are no hard feelings and WELCOME again!!

[deputydi]

Whatever happened to the "script" Casey was supposedly following? No one has even mentioned this lately and, to me, that was one of her biggest lies. I don't remember hearing that she ever produced any script or even explained why she didn't have one to show LE when that was a big part of her original story about why she didn't notify ANYONE that her dtr was missing.

[Gatordog]

Tony, Casey's boyfriend, actually mentions her having groceries and some clothes with her the day he picked her up from AmScot in his police interview. He mentions freezer pops and chicken and says they didn't appear to be from a grocery store, but rather, from Casey's. He talks about the bags they were in, as well.

I wonder if this is the frozen food we're hearing about now?

Here's a link to the PDF file of his interview: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

The food is mentioned on pages 23 and 24.

I wouldn't think so. Tony said the food was still frozen. No way would I put food that I intend to eat in a stinking trunk. A puzzle about that is - the Amscott manager saw that car there at 7 a.m. According to Tony, Miss Liar called him mid-morning to pick her up. Who drove her around for three hours?

[Gatordog]

Yeah, me too. Talk about covering your bases. I absolutely cannot even stomach the thought of her. :mad:

I was just reading through the timeline thread and was surprised to see the "My Caylee Is Missing" message was written by Cindy Anthony. I've read it about a million times, it seems, but until a few minutes ago, I thought Casey wrote it. It makes a lot more sense to me now. If only Cindy could have called the police on Casey then.

One question I can't seem to find the answer to is whatever happened to the shovel Casey borrowed from the neighbor? Does anyone know?

She returned it to him within the hour. The police have taken it from his house as evidence.

[Twinners]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-dna-results-102408,0,7783945.story

• A hair fragment was found in the label on the handle of a shovel Anthony borrowed from a neighbor in mid-June, about the time Caylee is supposed to have disappeared. The hair was too small for microscopic comparison but DNA analysis found it did not belong to Casey Anthony or Caylee.
• No fingerprints were found on the shovel.

Air samples and pieces of carpet from the trunk were sent Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee to determine whether there was signs of decomposition. The lab has been doing this type of research since 2002 and has developed the Decompositional Odor Analysis database.
Thanks! The no fingerprints thing sure sounds fishy. I guess someone may have wiped it clean.
Yes, Cindy supposedly wrote that in the first week of July. But did nothing. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
Unless she was reporting a crime, I doubt calling the police would've done any good. Still, she could've contacted a lawyer to see what could be done.

I listened to Cindy's three 911 calls this afternoon. In the first one, she says something about her next step will be getting a court order. Casey wanted her to give her one more day, but Cindy said no, she'd given her a month already. I suppose that had to do with her not letting Cindy see Caylee.

I also watched the last part of Cindy's police interview on video this afternoon. I have to say, watching it changed my opinion of her somewhat. I still felt bad for her as the grandmother of a missing child, but the way she seems to be holding back things the police would like to see because she doesn't think it's relevant or useful really bugged me. The detective specifically mentioned wanting to review her Penney's CC statements. At first, II think she said that she'd already checked and there was nothing on them. The officer then said something about that not being the answer they needed to hear. I think she then said she gave them to Lee to turn over to them, which sounded a lot like BS to me. I just can't imagine not giving them anything and everything they asked for if it were my grandchild.

Another thing. I read about the Anthony's having a concrete slab poured in their backyard in July, I think. Does anyone know if that has been busted up yet or not?

[Gatordog]

Okay, it's Wednesday afternoon. When is this press conference going to take place. If someone had my nephew, and I had suspicions about where he was, the police would have to knock me out because I'd be causing such a ruckus for them to go get him. If I had any information that would aid in finding him, I'd be out with it in a minute. No, instead every parent with a little three year old girl is going to avoid going to McDonalds. Remember that couple in Deltona who had the police on their door at 2 a.m? And back to the press conference, I'm curious as to whether we're going to hear about all these sightings which the police have already checked out and discredited. Nothing like muddying the water up with more nonsense. :mad:

Gator

[Gatordog]

Thanks! The no fingerprints thing sure sounds fishy. I guess someone may have wiped it clean.

Unless she was reporting a crime, I doubt calling the police would've done any good. Still, she could've contacted a lawyer to see what could be done.

I listened to Cindy's three 911 calls this afternoon. In the first one, she says something about her next step will be getting a court order. Casey wanted her to give her one more day, but Cindy said no, she'd given her a month already. I suppose that had to do with her not letting Cindy see Caylee.

I also watched the last part of Cindy's police interview on video this afternoon. I have to say, watching it changed my opinion of her somewhat. I still felt bad for her as the grandmother of a missing child, but the way she seems to be holding back things the police would like to see because she doesn't think it's relevant or useful really bugged me. The detective specifically mentioned wanting to review her Penney's CC statements. At first, II think she said that she'd already checked and there was nothing on them. The officer then said something about that not being the answer they needed to hear. I think she then said she gave them to Lee to turn over to them, which sounded a lot like BS to me. I just can't imagine not giving them anything and everything they asked for if it were my grandchild.

Another thing. I read about the Anthony's having a concrete slab poured in their backyard in July, I think. Does anyone know if that has been busted up yet or not?

I don't think it was a slab - they had pavers put in and the police did look there.

[Twinners]

That's an interesting thought and makes a lot of sense. Makes me wonder if the A's didn't find that clothing. I only say that because I do think they know more than what they are saying. BTW welcome to the board!! :beer: I also want to apologize about coming across harshly the other day. This case just gets to me so bad at times. I was asking questions to try and better understand your thinking. Anyway I hope there are no hard feelings and WELCOME again!!
Nope, no hard feelings at all! I know I can be a trial with all of my questions and different POV's on things (at least that's what my hubby says!), so I really appreciate you all putting up with me the last couple of days.

I know what you mean about this case getting to you. My husband and I have been following it via the news (aka, Nancy Grace, LOL) since the start, but I only started reading through all the documents and so forth a couple of weeks ago. Since then, I've experienced all kinds of different emotions about it. It's just so frustrating!

Anyway, like you, I do think the Anthony's could give the police a lot more information about all this than they have been. After watching that interview with Cindy, I'm kind of thinking they'll only give them information they think is relevant, even though the police may find it helpful when they do not. I got the impression Cindy thinks LE's only goal is to build a case against Casey, not find Caylee, and that's why she's not giving them everything they need.

[Twinners]

She returned it to him within the hour. The police have taken it from his house as evidence.
Thanks, Gator! Do you happen to know if the neighbors saw her leave at any point during that hour?
I wouldn't think so. Tony said the food was still frozen. No way would I put food that I intend to eat in a stinking trunk. A puzzle about that is - the Amscott manager saw that car there at 7 a.m. According to Tony, Miss Liar called him mid-morning to pick her up. Who drove her around for three hours?
Unless I just have a single bag of them, I always put my groceries in the trunk of the car.

He said she called him mid-morning to pick her up? That's odd. According to something he said in one part of his police interview, he had class from 9:00 to 1:00 each day. In the part I read about the morning he picked her up, he said she knew he was in a hurry to get her because he had to get to class. IMO, that means her call must've been before 9:00.

I don't think it was a slab - they had pavers put in and the police did look there.
Okay, thanks!

[deacon]

Okay, it's Wednesday afternoon. When is this press conference going to take place. If someone had my nephew, and I had suspicions about where he was, the police would have to knock me out because I'd be causing such a ruckus for them to go get him. If I had any information that would aid in finding him, I'd be out with it in a minute. No, instead every parent with a little three year old girl is going to avoid going to McDonalds. Remember that couple in Deltona who had the police on their door at 2 a.m? And back to the press conference, I'm curious as to whether we're going to hear about all these sightings which the police have already checked out and discredited. Nothing like muddying the water up with more nonsense. :mad:

Gator

We talked a little about that the other day. That 2 am thing would have really, how do I say this...... upset me if that were my daughter. Not so sure I would be very supportive of the a's or the police that came to my door at that hour.

You are probable correct. The same ole same ole. Throw in some "visionaries" and Miss Cleo and that IMO will be their truth.

[joekuhl79]

Thanks! The no fingerprints thing sure sounds fishy. I guess someone may have wiped it clean.

Unless she was reporting a crime, I doubt calling the police would've done any good. Still, she could've contacted a lawyer to see what could be done.

I listened to Cindy's three 911 calls this afternoon. In the first one, she says something about her next step will be getting a court order. Casey wanted her to give her one more day, but Cindy said no, she'd given her a month already. I suppose that had to do with her not letting Cindy see Caylee.

I also watched the last part of Cindy's police interview on video this afternoon. I have to say, watching it changed my opinion of her somewhat. I still felt bad for her as the grandmother of a missing child, but the way she seems to be holding back things the police would like to see because she doesn't think it's relevant or useful really bugged me. The detective specifically mentioned wanting to review her Penney's CC statements. At first, II think she said that she'd already checked and there was nothing on them. The officer then said something about that not being the answer they needed to hear. I think she then said she gave them to Lee to turn over to them, which sounded a lot like BS to me. I just can't imagine not giving them anything and everything they asked for if it were my grandchild.

Another thing. I read about the Anthony's having a concrete slab poured in their backyard in July, I think. Does anyone know if that has been busted up yet or not?

No concrete slab...it's been pointed out that this was pavers they're talking about...

Also, the fingerprints...I'm no expert, but I don't think you would expect to be able to get print off of a shovel...just from the mechanics of using a shovel, ones fingerprints just wouldn't 'leave' very well...though I could be wrong.

[Twinners]

Speaking of visionaries...
Psychic to resume search for missing toddler

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Psychic detective Gale St. John has returned to central Florida to continue her search for missing toddler, Caylee Anthony.

She intends to search a wooded area near Orlando International Airport today.

St. John first came in August with her group called the “Body Hunters.” At that time, St. John said she searched several areas on instinct to find the missing toddler.

She has not indicated why she plans to continue the search, but is currently accepting donations to help pay for expenses for the trip.

St. John was not the only psychic to help in the massive search. Also in August, spiritualist and psychic Cindy Smith spoke with Orange County Sheriff’s investigators and told them she knew where Caylee was located.

She said the little girl was close and in a vision, saw shoes covered with pink flowers.

In the five months since her disappearance, no one person or search team has been able to locate Caylee Anthony. Search groups from Texas Equusearch and a dive team gathered by bounty hunter Leonard Padilla have all left the area.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7897942&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

:seeya: LOL you beat me to it - I was just getting ready to post that here.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks! The no fingerprints thing sure sounds fishy. I guess someone may have wiped it clean.

Unless she was reporting a crime, I doubt calling the police would've done any good. Still, she could've contacted a lawyer to see what could be done.

I listened to Cindy's three 911 calls this afternoon. In the first one, she says something about her next step will be getting a court order. Casey wanted her to give her one more day, but Cindy said no, she'd given her a month already. I suppose that had to do with her not letting Cindy see Caylee.

I also watched the last part of Cindy's police interview on video this afternoon. I have to say, watching it changed my opinion of her somewhat. I still felt bad for her as the grandmother of a missing child, but the way she seems to be holding back things the police would like to see because she doesn't think it's relevant or useful really bugged me. The detective specifically mentioned wanting to review her Penney's CC statements. At first, II think she said that she'd already checked and there was nothing on them. The officer then said something about that not being the answer they needed to hear. I think she then said she gave them to Lee to turn over to them, which sounded a lot like BS to me. I just can't imagine not giving them anything and everything they asked for if it were my grandchild.

Another thing. I read about the Anthony's having a concrete slab poured in their backyard in July, I think. Does anyone know if that has been busted up yet or not?

Give me a break; I was a caseworker for years and have worked with the courts and LE plenty. Cindy could have asked law enforcement for a welfare check at any time. No need to wait thirty days, or thirty one. She's full of chit and guilt and she takes it out on the world.

[Spider]

I still cannot wrap my brain around that fact that her family is not visiting her at all. If Cindy, in her madness really believed her, then why is she not there? After all, she would get so much more TV exposure if she actually went to the jail to visit her poor victimized daughter. IMO she knows a LOT more than she is telling. She is covering for Casey and her "denial act" is the way she can plead insanity to get out of it if she is finally nailed down. I think George ought to take Lee's idea and travel.....very far away from those two nutbags. Although, I still don't trust Lee since he refused a poly. I may have asked before but did Lee ever submit to at least DNA? Does the LE even know where Lee is? What was the families excuse for not visiting the Liar?

One more thing and I will shut up for a bit. I am with all of you on the fact that Cindy was the first one to tell everybody Casey was a liar and a thief but then ALL OF A SUDDEN she believes this lame brain LIE Casey has thrown out there? I call a big steaming pile of BS! I sure hope the LE is watching Cindy's every move and documenting every lie she spouts off.

The "denial" game Cindy is playing has gone far enough. Still not sure about George.

[Justice Denied?]

Tony, Casey's boyfriend, actually mentions her having groceries and some clothes with her the day he picked her up from AmScot in his police interview. He mentions freezer pops and chicken and says they didn't appear to be from a grocery store, but rather, from Casey's. He talks about the bags they were in, as well.

I wonder if this is the frozen food we're hearing about now?

Here's a link to the PDF file of his interview: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

The food is mentioned on pages 23 and 24.

This brings up so many questions. First, let me state that then Henry Lee was talking about the food, he mentioned meat and cheese. In my head, I pictuured sandwich makings. I wondered if Casey had kept Caylee alive for some time and used this food to feed her.

The woman at Amscot said the car was there at 7:00am but Tony didn't pick Casey up until 11:00am or later. Freezer pops would have melted. If the food was from the anthonys, how did she get there and back?

The Anthonys sid they hadn't seen her for a month but we know she was there on thre 24th and there was a time George followed her when she left.
She was also there the day she borrowed the shovel.

By the way, can someone give me the details of when and why George followed Casey? were they trying to find Caylee?:confused:

[One2Snoop]

This brings up so many questions. First, let me state that then Henry Lee was talking about the food, he mentioned meat and cheese. In my head, I pictuured sandwich makings. I wondered if Casey had kept Caylee alive for some time and used this food to feed her.

The woman at Amscot said the car was there at 7:00am but Tony didn't pick Casey up until 11:00am or later. Freezer pops would have melted. If the food was from the anthonys, how did she get there and back?

The Anthonys sid they hadn't seen her for a month but we know she was there on thre 24th and there was a time George followed her when she left.
She was also there the day she borrowed the shovel.

By the way, can someone give me the details of when and why George followed Casey? were they trying to find Caylee?:confused:

Here you go Justice..

George and Cindy Anthony were fed up with their 22-year-old daughter's evasiveness and desperate to see their granddaughter weeks before the world learned Caylee Marie was missing.

George Anthony raced after his daughter on a crowded highway only to lose her several miles away from their home. Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios in early July in hopes of spotting the toddler.

But none of their attempts brought Caylee home.

snip
http://mobile.orlandosentinel.com/detail.jsp?key=168210&full=1

[Twinners]

No concrete slab...it's been pointed out that this was pavers they're talking about...

Also, the fingerprints...I'm no expert, but I don't think you would expect to be able to get print off of a shovel...just from the mechanics of using a shovel, ones fingerprints just wouldn't 'leave' very well...though I could be wrong.
Yep! I saw what Gator said about it actually being paver's. Thanks!

About the shovel, you're probably right. I was just thinking a print may be left when someone picks it up.
:seeya: LOL you beat me to it - I was just getting ready to post that here.
I just happened across it while I was looking through some of the other news articles. It stood out for me since I'd just seen something posted about psychics on the board. LOL.
Give me a break; I was a caseworker for years and have worked with the courts and LE plenty. Cindy could have asked law enforcement for a welfare check at any time. No need to wait thirty days, or thirty one. She's full of chit and guilt and she takes it out on the world.
I didn't know LE handled welfare checks. Furthermore, I don't see what a welfare check has to do with anything regarding this case. From what I heard on the 911 recording, the conversation between Cindy and Casey had to do with Casey not letting Cindy see Caylee for a month. Cindy said she'd get a court order if she had too. Casey wanted her to wait. That was pretty much it.

[lorettalockhorn]

I didn't know LE handled welfare checks. Furthermore, I don't see what a welfare check has to do with anything regarding this case. From what I heard on the 911 recording, the conversation between Cindy and Casey had to do with Casey not letting Cindy see Caylee for a month. Cindy said she'd get a court order if she had too. Casey wanted her to wait. That was pretty much it.

At the risk of sounding snarkier than usual, you do realize that a welfare check is the act of checking on the welfare of an individual? Law enforcement performs this service countless times for individuals of all ages in countless jurisdictions.

If G&C were truly concerned for Caylee's welfare, why didn't they request some sort of help in locating her? Why this nebulous mumbling about the therapist who advised that they obtain custody with nothing done to accomplish that?

[deputydi]

At the risk of sounding snarkier than usual, you do realize that a welfare check is the act of checking on the welfare of an individual? Law enforcement performs this service countless times for individuals of all ages in countless jurisdictions.

If G&C were truly concerned for Caylee's welfare, why didn't they request some sort of help in locating her? Why this nebulous mumbling about the therapist who advised that they obtain custody with nothing done to accomplish that?
ROFLMAO!! I was just getting ready to respond to Twinners in pretty much the same way. I think she took "check" to mean the kind you cash for money. Still LOL.

[Twinners]

At the risk of sounding snarkier than usual, you do realize that a welfare check is the act of checking on the welfare of an individual? Law enforcement performs this service countless times for individuals of all ages in countless jurisdictions.

If G&C were truly concerned for Caylee's welfare, why didn't they request some sort of help in locating her? Why this nebulous mumbling about the therapist who advised that they obtain custody with nothing done to accomplish that?

ROFLMAO!! I was just getting ready to respond to Twinners in pretty much the same way. I think she took "check" to mean the kind you cash for money. Still LOL.

Yes, I did think you meant a welfare check, as in the kind that people receive around the first of each month and cash. Sorry.

Sure, they could've called someone to help them find Caylee when Casey wouldn't let them see her.

Anyone else watching Nancy Grace?

[deputydi]

Yes, I did think you meant a welfare check, as in the kind that people receive around the first of each month and cash. Sorry.

Sure, they could've called someone to help them find Caylee when Casey wouldn't let them see her.

Anyone else watching Nancy Grace?
I think the reason they didn't call anyone was they didn't dream Caylee was in any danger. If they had believed that Casey would or could have harmed her daughter, I think they would have called someone in a NY minute. As I see it, they were caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If they call LE or CPS for help, they risked further angering Casey. As far as they knew their self-centered daughter was off pouting someplace and if they did nothing she'd eventually come around and they would still be able to see their granddaughter. Call LE and start an investigation and a vindictive Casey could prevent them from ever seeing Caylee again.

Who knew it would all end in tragedy. I think C & G are basically good people caught in an impossible situation. I think they would have lots more public support if they would just be quiet and not try to dignify the outrageous lies Casey is telling.

[Twinners]

I think the reason they didn't call anyone was they didn't dream Caylee was in any danger. If they had believed that Casey would or could have harmed her daughter, I think they would have called someone in a NY minute. As I see it, they were caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If they call LE or CPS for help, they risked further angering Casey. As far as they knew their self-centered daughter was off pouting someplace and if they did nothing she'd eventually come around and they would still be able to see their granddaughter. Call LE and start an investigation and a vindictive Casey could prevent them from ever seeing Caylee again.

Who knew it would all end in tragedy. I think C & G are basically good people caught in an impossible situation. I think they would have lots more public support if they would just be quiet and not try to dignify the outrageous lies Casey is telling.
Well said! I couldn't possibly agree more. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

I think the reason they didn't call anyone was they didn't dream Caylee was in any danger. If they had believed that Casey would or could have harmed her daughter, I think they would have called someone in a NY minute. As I see it, they were caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place. If they call LE or CPS for help, they risked further angering Casey. As far as they knew their self-centered daughter was off pouting someplace and if they did nothing she'd eventually come around and they would still be able to see their granddaughter. Call LE and start an investigation and a vindictive Casey could prevent them from ever seeing Caylee again.

Who knew it would all end in tragedy. I think C & G are basically good people caught in an impossible situation. I think they would have lots more public support if they would just be quiet and not try to dignify the outrageous lies Casey is telling.

See? That's exactly it. If they were in any fear of further angering Casey, then they had to have been aware of the dangers of angering her to begin with. And that she has self-preservation skills off the charts.

[deputydi]

See? That's exactly it. If they were in any fear of further angering Casey, then they had to have been aware of the dangers of angering her to begin with. And that she has self-preservation skills off the charts.
Casey has never, to our knowledge, been violent with Caylee. There was no history of abuse that might alarm G & C to the point of calling CPS or LE. An angry Casey can be vindictive and spiteful -- we've seen that, haven't we? I think that is what worried G & C -- not physical violence. I don't believe they ever considered the possibility that Casey would harm Caylee. I think they were just worried that if they did anything Casey would move away and they'd never see their granddaughter again.

[lorettalockhorn]

Casey has never, to our knowledge, been violent with Caylee. There was no history of abuse that might alarm G & C to the point of calling CPS or LE. An angry Casey can be vindictive and spiteful -- we've seen that, haven't we? I think that is what worried G & C -- not physical violence. I don't believe they ever considered the possibility that Casey would harm Caylee. I think they were just worried that if they did anything Casey would move away and they'd never see their granddaughter again.

Except there was something that came out in the therapy session(s) that supposedly prompted the therapist to encourage Cindy to sue for custody. Something is/was going on that is a big secret at Chez Anthony.

Edited to say: Granted whatever was going on should have been reported to CPS by the therapist if it was dire. Really, really want to know more about this therapist.

[Justice Denied?]

Here you go Justice..

George and Cindy Anthony were fed up with their 22-year-old daughter's evasiveness and desperate to see their granddaughter weeks before the world learned Caylee Marie was missing.

George Anthony raced after his daughter on a crowded highway only to lose her several miles away from their home. Cindy Anthony went to Universal Studios in early July in hopes of spotting the toddler.

But none of their attempts brought Caylee home.

snip
http://mobile.orlandosentinel.com/detail.jsp?key=168210&full=1

Snoop,

TYVM for all the good info. I missed that article some way. It sounds like Casey was coming and going from the Anthony house on a fairly regular basis during the month after Caylee took missing. She just didn't have Caylee with her.

So, that proves Cindy was lying to the dispatcher.

Now I'm wondering had Casey been to the Anthonys on the 27th and picked up the grocery items?


why these people didn't file a Welfare Concern with the police I will never understand.

[Justice Denied?]

ROFLMAO!! I was just getting ready to respond to Twinners in pretty much the same way. I think she took "check" to mean the kind you cash for money. Still LOL.

You mean a welfare check isn't the money welfare moms get on the first of each month to care for their kids?

Twinner,
Not making a joke at your expense. Just a crazy thought that went thru my head.

[One2Snoop]

OCSO Abandons Hope To Find Caylee Alive
Spokesman Says FBI Evidence Proves Toddler Is Dead

POSTED: 3:59 pm EST November 19, 2008
UPDATED: 6:14 pm EST November 19, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office exclusively told WESH 2 News that they are no longer following up on any tips that suggest Caylee Anthony is alive.

On Friday, the group Kid Finders plans to hold a press conference to explain why they think Caylee is alive. A sheriff's spokesman said Caylee is dead and they're moving on.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Carlos Padilla said they are confident that FBI lab tests on evidence found in Casey Anthony's car prove Caylee is dead. He said that is backed up by the grand jury's murder indictment of Casey Anthony.

"We cannot continue to look when we have no evidence whatsover that she's alive," he said.

Grandfather George Anthony said his group, Kid Finders, is still getting reports of live sightings of Caylee. They have no reason to believe Caylee is dead.

Investigators said they are also concerned that if they continue to follow up on live sightings, it could help Casey Anthony's defense establish reasonable doubt about whether Caylee is deceased.

George Anthony To Become Kid Finders Spokesman

George Anthony said he plans to act as a spokesman for the group helping him search for his missing granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

Anthony said he wants to help the Kid Finders Network get established and grow their organization in Orlando.

Kid Finders has been the subject of some controversy lately. Some have called in to question just how many missing children Kid Finders has actually found.

At the group's headquarters Wednesday, Anthony said the organization has been helpful to his family since the day after Caylee was reported missing. Anthony said he is more than willing to become a spokesman for the group. He has no doubts about their motives or sincerity.

"I'll be a spokesman for them. I'm willing to make their organization grow and help the 14 kids my granddaughter included but other kids," said George Anthony.

A spokeswoman for Kid Finders has taken issue with recent reports that they have not actually found a missing child. She said they do things to raise awareness like print up fliers and T-shirts and billboards. She said that it is very possible that their efforts have helped find missing children.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html?treets=orl&tml=orl_break&ts=T&tmi=orl_break_-1_05050111192008

[sharlock]

This brings up so many questions. First, let me state that then Henry Lee was talking about the food, he mentioned meat and cheese. In my head, I pictuured sandwich makings. I wondered if Casey had kept Caylee alive for some time and used this food to feed her.

The woman at Amscot said the car was there at 7:00am but Tony didn't pick Casey up until 11:00am or later. Freezer pops would have melted. If the food was from the anthonys, how did she get there and back?

The Anthonys sid they hadn't seen her for a month but we know she was there on thre 24th and there was a time George followed her when she left.
She was also there the day she borrowed the shovel.

By the way, can someone give me the details of when and why George followed Casey? were they trying to find Caylee?:confused:
Yeah the car chase was because George saw Casey driving her mums car and he followed her because he felt something was wrong. She evaded him but records of it are locatable in his e-pass docs.

[deacon]

Except there was something that came out in the therapy session(s) that supposedly prompted the therapist to encourage Cindy to sue for custody. Something is/was going on that is a big secret at Chez Anthony.

Edited to say: Granted whatever was going on should have been reported to CPS by the therapist if it was dire. Really, really want to know more about this therapist.

That, to me, shows the probablilty of dire problems that we do not know of. Why go to a therapist if there were not serious problems. I mean the safety and health of the child. If it were just the party atmosphere there would be no need for a therapist, the child, casey, was just acting like she was brought up. I do not believe for any period of time that the party mindset just started. Specially to the level we say in pictures. That mindset has been there for a long time, she is too good at it. Also the mention of her doing drugs concerns me. She is 22ish, that normally starts at a much younger age. I think the a's just found out about it and think it just started and it has been going on for quite some time.

edited to say: What I am saying is that they have had a problem for some time and the bottom just fell out because they did nothing to solve the problem in th beginning. Drug abuse would be a very quick way to get Caylee away from her mom. CPS and the courts would see that as putting Caylee in serious danger.

[Gatordog]

Thanks, Gator! Do you happen to know if the neighbors saw her leave at any point during that hour?

Unless I just have a single bag of them, I always put my groceries in the trunk of the car.

He said she called him mid-morning to pick her up? That's odd. According to something he said in one part of his police interview, he had class from 9:00 to 1:00 each day. In the part I read about the morning he picked her up, he said she knew he was in a hurry to get her because he had to get to class. IMO, that means her call must've been before 9:00.


Okay, thanks!


I believe he said he picked her up between 10:30 a.m. and 11 a.m. He goes to school at FullSail and they change their schedule every six weeks.

My point about the groceries is even if I had one bag, and my trunk stunk from decomposition, I certainly wouldn't have put my food in there. Also, the tow truck guy who actually opened the trunk didn't say anything about any other food in the trunk other than the bag with the pizza.

[Gatordog]

I still cannot wrap my brain around that fact that her family is not visiting her at all. If Cindy, in her madness really believed her, then why is she not there? After all, she would get so much more TV exposure if she actually went to the jail to visit her poor victimized daughter. IMO she knows a LOT more than she is telling. She is covering for Casey and her "denial act" is the way she can plead insanity to get out of it if she is finally nailed down. I think George ought to take Lee's idea and travel.....very far away from those two nutbags. Although, I still don't trust Lee since he refused a poly. I may have asked before but did Lee ever submit to at least DNA? Does the LE even know where Lee is? What was the families excuse for not visiting the Liar?

One more thing and I will shut up for a bit. I am with all of you on the fact that Cindy was the first one to tell everybody Casey was a liar and a thief but then ALL OF A SUDDEN she believes this lame brain LIE Casey has thrown out there? I call a big steaming pile of BS! I sure hope the LE is watching Cindy's every move and documenting every lie she spouts off.

The "denial" game Cindy is playing has gone far enough. Still not sure about George.

Lee was at the Meet and Greet on Saturday, but wasn't there when I got there at 2:30. He has been keeping real low key. Smart move on his part.

[Gatordog]

This brings up so many questions. First, let me state that then Henry Lee was talking about the food, he mentioned meat and cheese. In my head, I pictuured sandwich makings. I wondered if Casey had kept Caylee alive for some time and used this food to feed her.

The woman at Amscot said the car was there at 7:00am but Tony didn't pick Casey up until 11:00am or later. Freezer pops would have melted. If the food was from the anthonys, how did she get there and back?

The Anthonys sid they hadn't seen her for a month but we know she was there on thre 24th and there was a time George followed her when she left.
She was also there the day she borrowed the shovel.

By the way, can someone give me the details of when and why George followed Casey? were they trying to find Caylee?:confused:

I honestly think the meat and cheese he was referring to were just the little bits and pieces that stick to the pizza box.

I know I read in George Anthony's lastest released statements that he happened to see her leaving the house before he actually got to the house and was following her and lost her on toll road. I think she was in her mother's car. I guess during the month she was gone, she would go into the parents' house during the day. Should have changed the locks. I'll see if I can find it, if it hasn't already been located by someone else.

[Gatordog]

Yep! I saw what Gator said about it actually being paver's. Thanks!

About the shovel, you're probably right. I was just thinking a print may be left when someone picks it up.

I just happened across it while I was looking through some of the other news articles. It stood out for me since I'd just seen something posted about psychics on the board. LOL.

I didn't know LE handled welfare checks. Furthermore, I don't see what a welfare check has to do with anything regarding this case. From what I heard on the 911 recording, the conversation between Cindy and Casey had to do with Casey not letting Cindy see Caylee for a month. Cindy said she'd get a court order if she had too. Casey wanted her to wait. That was pretty much it.


It has to do with Cindy Anthony talking to a psychologist about Casey and Caylee and the psychologist told Cindy that she needed to get custody of Caylee as soon as possible because Casey was an unfit parent and a danger to Caylee. This was just a few days before Father's Day.

[Gatordog]

Snoop,

TYVM for all the good info. I missed that article some way. It sounds like Casey was coming and going from the Anthony house on a fairly regular basis during the month after Caylee took missing. She just didn't have Caylee with her.

So, that proves Cindy was lying to the dispatcher.

Now I'm wondering had Casey been to the Anthonys on the 27th and picked up the grocery items?


why these people didn't file a Welfare Concern with the police I will never understand.

I don't think it was lying to the dispatcher. She actually hadn't seen her, since she was going into the house while George and Cindy were at work. The only time she really got caught was when George was home and was able to get the gas tanks from her which totally surprised her.

[Gatordog]

OCSO Abandons Hope To Find Caylee Alive
Spokesman Says FBI Evidence Proves Toddler Is Dead

POSTED: 3:59 pm EST November 19, 2008
UPDATED: 6:14 pm EST November 19, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office exclusively told WESH 2 News that they are no longer following up on any tips that suggest Caylee Anthony is alive.

On Friday, the group Kid Finders plans to hold a press conference to explain why they think Caylee is alive. A sheriff's spokesman said Caylee is dead and they're moving on.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Carlos Padilla said they are confident that FBI lab tests on evidence found in Casey Anthony's car prove Caylee is dead. He said that is backed up by the grand jury's murder indictment of Casey Anthony.

"We cannot continue to look when we have no evidence whatsover that she's alive," he said.

Grandfather George Anthony said his group, Kid Finders, is still getting reports of live sightings of Caylee. They have no reason to believe Caylee is dead.

Investigators said they are also concerned that if they continue to follow up on live sightings, it could help Casey Anthony's defense establish reasonable doubt about whether Caylee is deceased.

George Anthony To Become Kid Finders Spokesman

George Anthony said he plans to act as a spokesman for the group helping him search for his missing granddaughter, Caylee Anthony.

Anthony said he wants to help the Kid Finders Network get established and grow their organization in Orlando.

Kid Finders has been the subject of some controversy lately. Some have called in to question just how many missing children Kid Finders has actually found.

At the group's headquarters Wednesday, Anthony said the organization has been helpful to his family since the day after Caylee was reported missing. Anthony said he is more than willing to become a spokesman for the group. He has no doubts about their motives or sincerity.

"I'll be a spokesman for them. I'm willing to make their organization grow and help the 14 kids my granddaughter included but other kids," said George Anthony.

A spokeswoman for Kid Finders has taken issue with recent reports that they have not actually found a missing child. She said they do things to raise awareness like print up fliers and T-shirts and billboards. She said that it is very possible that their efforts have helped find missing children.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html?treets=orl&tml=orl_break&ts=T&tmi=orl_break_-1_05050111192008


Carlos Padilla was on the news yesterday and said that they were not going to chase these leads any longer because nothing has proven she's alive but they have evidence that she is dead.

Kid Finders has been showing photos of Jennifer Kesse, a young woman who went missing a while back. Her father has requested that they do not show her picture or mention her any longer due to the fact that there reputation is certainly questionable.

Cindy Anthony says that now Caylee was seen at an auto parts store in east Orlando. Again, it's not far from Jay Blanchard Park. I guess they got tired of bringing her to McDonalds. It would make so much more sense if she would at least say a little girl resembling Caylee instead of actually Caylee. How can anyone take her seriously?

[Gatordog]

That, to me, shows the probablilty of dire problems that we do not know of. Why go to a therapist if there were not serious problems. I mean the safety and health of the child. If it were just the party atmosphere there would be no need for a therapist, the child, casey, was just acting like she was brought up. I do not believe for any period of time that the party mindset just started. Specially to the level we say in pictures. That mindset has been there for a long time, she is too good at it. Also the mention of her doing drugs concerns me. She is 22ish, that normally starts at a much younger age. I think the a's just found out about it and think it just started and it has been going on for quite some time.

edited to say: What I am saying is that they have had a problem for some time and the bottom just fell out because they did nothing to solve the problem in th beginning. Drug abuse would be a very quick way to get Caylee away from her mom. CPS and the courts would see that as putting Caylee in serious danger.

Deacon, you're right about the partying. After all, the parents say that some of the photos shown are two years old. So that was nothing new. I think it had to do with all the lying and the stealing.

George said that one time he deposited 4K in a bank account from the sale of a car. A few weeks later, Casey give Cindy a bank deposit slip for $4k which she had to pay back to her mother. She never made the deposit and actually forged the deposit slip. George said it was a perfect duplicate. That it looked like a real deposit slip that had been processed by a bank and he was shocked she was so good at computers. She tried to say George's money was her deposit. That is one slick cookie.

[deacon]

Deacon, you're right about the partying. After all, the parents say that some of the photos shown are two years old. So that was nothing new. I think it had to do with all the lying and the stealing.

George said that one time he deposited 4K in a bank account from the sale of a car. A few weeks later, Casey give Cindy a bank deposit slip for $4k which she had to pay back to her mother. She never made the deposit and actually forged the deposit slip. George said it was a perfect duplicate. That it looked like a real deposit slip that had been processed by a bank and he was shocked she was so good at computers. She tried to say George's money was her deposit. That is one slick cookie.


Don't you mean one sick cookie?:beer:

[TLC]

Something bothers me from last night's NG. Padilla clearly said he doesn't recall any pics of caylee in casey's room. NG didn't pick up on it - why I don't know, but I think IMO Cindy put the pics there AFTER Casey went to jail this last time- then invited reporters into the home for the first time to show that room. A real focus was put on those pics - ultrasound et al - and george's face while standing in the kitchen - almost like he was pained and not from the ordeal but from the attempt CA was making. Does anyone else agree and think this is all to sway jurors to come? One way to know for sure would to be to ask the woman Padilla had in the home, he went on to say baez didn't want her talking to that woman. She would know.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I don`t -- I don`t remember any photos of Caylee at the time in her room. And the reason that she wasn`t allowed to be in her room out of her parents room -- and incidentally George didn`t sleep in his bedroom, he slept on the couch -- was that Jose didn`t want her alone with Tracy in any other room of the house, so he told her to sleep in the parents` bedroom. But George wasn`t there. It was just Cindy and her.

GRACE: You know, I couldn`t hear you. Why did she sleep in the parents` bedroom?

PADILLA: Because Jose, her attorney, did not want her in any other room where her and Tracy might be alone. On more than one occasion, when he was in the house and they were off in a room by themselves, he`d go over there and grab Casey and say, There you are, yakking again, get out of there.

GRACE: Let`s take a look inside the Anthony home.

[Twinners]

Casey has never, to our knowledge, been violent with Caylee. There was no history of abuse that might alarm G & C to the point of calling CPS or LE. An angry Casey can be vindictive and spiteful -- we've seen that, haven't we? I think that is what worried G & C -- not physical violence. I don't believe they ever considered the possibility that Casey would harm Caylee. I think they were just worried that if they did anything Casey would move away and they'd never see their granddaughter again.
This is what I think as well.

As I said the other day, I think the Anthony's had to play by Casey's rules more often than not just to keep their granddaughter in their lives. I have no problem believing Casey threatened to keep Caylee from them if they did something she didn't like.

If I read everything correctly, the Anthony's went to see the therapist sometime shortly before Father's Day. Caylee went missing shortly after Father's Day. Because of the timing of those two things, I really believe George and Cindy Anthony probably they were just being punished by Casey for what they'd done during the first month Caylee was missing. IMO, they just thought Casey was withholding the child from them, as she'd probably always threatened to do. I don't think they had any reason to think there was more to it than that, which is why they didn't call authorities any sooner.

[Twinners]

I believe he said he picked her up between 10:30 a.m. and 11 a.m. He goes to school at FullSail and they change their schedule every six weeks.

My point about the groceries is even if I had one bag, and my trunk stunk from decomposition, I certainly wouldn't have put my food in there. Also, the tow truck guy who actually opened the trunk didn't say anything about any other food in the trunk other than the bag with the pizza.
Thanks, Gator. In the interview I read, he didn't give a time that he picked her up. He just indicated that it was before class. He also said, in that particular interview, that his classes were from 9:00 to 1:00 during that time period.

I think I must've missed something in my reading. Did he give more than one long interview?

About the groceries, no, I wouldn't put my groceries in a stinky trunk either. LOL.

I wonder where all this talk of frozen food is coming from then if all the tow truck driver saw was pizza?

[deacon]

Something bothers me from last night's NG. Padilla clearly said he doesn't recall any pics of caylee in casey's room. NG didn't pick up on it - why I don't know, but I think IMO Cindy put the pics there AFTER Casey went to jail this last time- then invited reporters into the home for the first time to show that room. A real focus was put on those pics - ultrasound et al - and george's face while standing in the kitchen - almost like he was pained and not from the ordeal but from the attempt CA was making. Does anyone else agree and think this is all to sway jurors to come? One way to know for sure would to be to ask the woman Padilla had in the home, he went on to say baez didn't want her talking to that woman. She would know.

I noticed that too. Sort of hit a nerve with me. I think that LE has to know that too and if they go into court with that as a "cover" for world calss mom act it will get shot down pretty quick.

[deputydi]

Except there was something that came out in the therapy session(s) that supposedly prompted the therapist to encourage Cindy to sue for custody. Something is/was going on that is a big secret at Chez Anthony.

Edited to say: Granted whatever was going on should have been reported to CPS by the therapist if it was dire. Really, really want to know more about this therapist.
Maybe you can answer this for me -- who leaked the info about what went on in the therapist's office? I've been curious about how we know this. I do remember it being reported but by law anything that was discussed between Cindy and her therapist is privileged and I find it hard to believe that Cindy would reveal something so damaging to her daughter's parenting skills.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey was unfit, but that alone isn't enough to terminate parental rights. You may be right that there was something going on that we aren't aware of yet. I still don't think there was physical abuse involved. Caylee didn't show any signs of having been abused and no one (to our knowledge) ever called LE or CPS to initiate an investigation.

In my heart, I think C & G walked on eggshells around Casey and when she stormed out after the argument, they figured Casey was punishing them by withholding visitation from Caylee. I truly don't think C & G are bad people. It makes me wonder what I would do if I were ever in their shoes. What an awful situation to find yourself in. People parading and picketing in front of your home at all hours -- everyone in the free world thinking you raised a monster -- not knowing whether your precious granddaughter is alive or dead and hanging on to an unrealistic hope (IMO) that she is alive. C'mon, even if you find George and Cindy unbearably annoying (which I do at times), you've got to have some measure of compassion for what they are living through.

[deputydi]

I noticed that too. Sort of hit a nerve with me. I think that LE has to know that too and if they go into court with that as a "cover" for world calss mom act it will get shot down pretty quick.
That also struck me as very odd. It seems the Anthonys were setting a stage for this interview and those were the props. If it is brought up at trial, it will certainly backfire.

[Justice Denied?]

I honestly think the meat and cheese he was referring to were just the little bits and pieces that stick to the pizza box.

I know I read in George Anthony's lastest released statements that he happened to see her leaving the house before he actually got to the house and was following her and lost her on toll road. I think she was in her mother's car. I guess during the month she was gone, she would go into the parents' house during the day. Should have changed the locks. I'll see if I can find it, if it hasn't already been located by someone else.
I would really appreciate it if you can locate the info on the chase. Was this the car that Cindy normally drives or the car Caset drove that was in Cindy's name?

[Gatordog]

Thanks, Gator. In the interview I read, he didn't give a time that he picked her up. He just indicated that it was before class. He also said, in that particular interview, that his classes were from 9:00 to 1:00 during that time period.

I think I must've missed something in my reading. Did he give more than one long interview?

About the groceries, no, I wouldn't put my groceries in a stinky trunk either. LOL.

I wonder where all this talk of frozen food is coming from then if all the tow truck driver saw was pizza?

It's coming from Henry Lee. No mention of it prior to his interview with Nancy Grace. I think he is confusing the pizza box with a frozen pizza box.

It's possible that the roomate gave the information that Tony left between 10:30 and 11 to pick up Casey.

[Justice Denied?]

Carlos Padilla was on the news yesterday and said that they were not going to chase these leads any longer because nothing has proven she's alive but they have evidence that she is dead.

Kid Finders has been showing photos of Jennifer Kesse, a young woman who went missing a while back. Her father has requested that they do not show her picture or mention her any longer due to the fact that there reputation is certainly questionable.

Cindy Anthony says that now Caylee was seen at an auto parts store in east Orlando. Again, it's not far from Jay Blanchard Park. I guess they got tired of bringing her to McDonalds. It would make so much more sense if she would at least say a little girl resembling Caylee instead of actually Caylee. How can anyone take her seriously?
At least we now know why the kidnappers are still inth area. Their car is broke down and they have to get parts and repair it bfor the can run away. lol

[Gatordog]

I noticed that too. Sort of hit a nerve with me. I think that LE has to know that too and if they go into court with that as a "cover" for world calss mom act it will get shot down pretty quick.

You know, you guys are pretty sharp. As I think back to the first week, Cindy had reporters in her house within the first few days and they showed both Caylee's and Casey's rooms. I don't recall seeing all those pictures. Caylee's room was full of photos but Casey's room was much more sparse in decoration. I remember seeing just a few small photos. When Greta VS was there, she showed the rooms. I wonder if it's still available on the website?

Gator

[Justice Denied?]

Something bothers me from last night's NG. Padilla clearly said he doesn't recall any pics of caylee in casey's room. NG didn't pick up on it - why I don't know, but I think IMO Cindy put the pics there AFTER Casey went to jail this last time- then invited reporters into the home for the first time to show that room. A real focus was put on those pics - ultrasound et al - and george's face while standing in the kitchen - almost like he was pained and not from the ordeal but from the attempt CA was making. Does anyone else agree and think this is all to sway jurors to come? One way to know for sure would to be to ask the woman Padilla had in the home, he went on to say baez didn't want her talking to that woman. She would know.

I caught hat too about the pictures. I thought NG cur LP off very abruptly. I'd be willing to bet CA hung those pictures before the TV cameras showed up, probably on the advice of their new spokesman. They want Cindy to look kinder and gentler and Casey to look like the perfect mom.:eek::rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

Maybe you can answer this for me -- who leaked the info about what went on in the therapist's office? I've been curious about how we know this. I do remember it being reported but by law anything that was discussed between Cindy and her therapist is privileged and I find it hard to believe that Cindy would reveal something so damaging to her daughter's parenting skills.

There is no doubt in my mind that Casey was unfit, but that alone isn't enough to terminate parental rights. You may be right that there was something going on that we aren't aware of yet. I still don't think there was physical abuse involved. Caylee didn't show any signs of having been abused and no one (to our knowledge) ever called LE or CPS to initiate an investigation.

In my heart, I think C & G walked on eggshells around Casey and when she stormed out after the argument, they figured Casey was punishing them by withholding visitation from Caylee. I truly don't think C & G are bad people. It makes me wonder what I would do if I were ever in their shoes. What an awful situation to find yourself in. People parading and picketing in front of your home at all hours -- everyone in the free world thinking you raised a monster -- not knowing whether your precious granddaughter is alive or dead and hanging on to an unrealistic hope (IMO) that she is alive. C'mon, even if you find George and Cindy unbearably annoying (which I do at times), you've got to have some measure of compassion for what they are living through.

I tried to give them my compassion and George graciously accepted it but Cindy almost tore me to shreds. She doesn't want compassion or understanding. She wants Caylee to be alive and that is something I wasn't going to argue with her. As for the people who were picketing in front of the house - all that stopped the day Caylee was thrown in jail. And, Cindy instigated 90 percent of it with her support of Casey. I can understand her insisting that Caylee is alive, I probably would argue that too in her shoes; but to protect Casey from criticism is going too far. She's the one who called her a sociopath and then she was mother of the year.

As far as leaking the psychologist visit, I think either Cindy herself did it or it came from LE questioning the close friend who lived in Jacksonville. Cindy called him one day and called Casey a sociopath and that he shouldn't have anything to do with her. It's possible that she mentioned it then. Come to think of it, it might have been on the Greta VS show when she did the in depth interview with them. I bet that's where it was.

[Gatordog]

I would really appreciate it if you can locate the info on the chase. Was this the car that Cindy normally drives or the car Caset drove that was in Cindy's name?

Sorry, it slipped my mind. Open the document which is transcript George Anthony interview August 4. Pages 17 and 18. :read:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

[deputydi]

I tried to give them my compassion and George graciously accepted it but Cindy almost tore me to shreds. <snip>

I know and I give you credit for trying. I think Cindy (moreso than George, but he has had his moments too) has behaved badly. She hasn't been able to make rational judgments and her temper has flared on more than one occasion. Sorry, but I still wonder how badly I would be behaving in her position. That doesn't mean I like her, nor am I trying to defend any of her actions -- just trying to understand.

As far as leaking the psychologist visit, I think either Cindy herself did it or it came from LE questioning the close friend who lived in Jacksonville. Cindy called him one day and called Casey a sociopath and that he shouldn't have anything to do with her. It's possible that she mentioned it then. Come to think of it, it might have been on the Greta VS show when she did the in depth interview with them. I bet that's where it was.

If you find the transcript of Greta, could you post it? I have to leave for a doctor's appt, but I'll look myself later. There were so many stories surrounding Scott Peterson that turned out to be just rumors that I find myself a bit skeptical until I see it for myself. :shrug: Anyway, it's one of the things I thought a bit strange.

[NMurphy02]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthony-1.html


Will there be a book or not? WFTV-Channel 9 said there would be. Then WESH-Channel 2 said there wouldn't.

WKMG-Channel 6 "has gotten to the bottom of it," anchor Bob Frier proclaimed Wednesday night. "We now know that George and Cindy Anthony do plan to write a book. They don't have a deal in the works, per se, but they plan to put something together in the future. They say it won't be a tell-all book. Instead, it will focus on what families should do if their child is missing."

Why the confusion? The Anthonys keep changing their stories in talking to the TV stations.

Of course, a lot of people say they'll write a book. There will be news when there's a deal or a manuscript. But do you think anyone with a missing child would want to follow the Anthonys' example or advice? Who would buy their book?

Their daughter, Casey, has been charged with first-degree murder in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee Marie.


Unbelievable! This is one thing I would NOT be doing if my grandchild was missing. Especially coming from this family.

[deacon]

You know, you guys are pretty sharp. As I think back to the first week, Cindy had reporters in her house within the first few days and they showed both Caylee's and Casey's rooms. I don't recall seeing all those pictures. Caylee's room was full of photos but Casey's room was much more sparse in decoration. I remember seeing just a few small photos. When Greta VS was there, she showed the rooms. I wonder if it's still available on the website?

Gator

:patriot: Mom is signing her registration for a permanent home behind bars. Not smart. Not smart at all. I bet casey's lawyer is going crazy if he heard that.

[deacon]

It's coming from Henry Lee. No mention of it prior to his interview with Nancy Grace. I think he is confusing the pizza box with a frozen pizza box.

It's possible that the roomate gave the information that Tony left between 10:30 and 11 to pick up Casey.

Sometimes I think he is terribly confused

[deacon]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/casey-anthony-1.html


Will there be a book or not? WFTV-Channel 9 said there would be. Then WESH-Channel 2 said there wouldn't.

WKMG-Channel 6 "has gotten to the bottom of it," anchor Bob Frier proclaimed Wednesday night. "We now know that George and Cindy Anthony do plan to write a book. They don't have a deal in the works, per se, but they plan to put something together in the future. They say it won't be a tell-all book. Instead, it will focus on what families should do if their child is missing."

Why the confusion? The Anthonys keep changing their stories in talking to the TV stations.

Of course, a lot of people say they'll write a book. There will be news when there's a deal or a manuscript. But do you think anyone with a missing child would want to follow the Anthonys' example or advice? Who would buy their book?

Their daughter, Casey, has been charged with first-degree murder in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee Marie.


Unbelievable! This is one thing I would NOT be doing if my grandchild was missing. Especially coming from this family.


I should be named "What Not To Do If Your Child/Grandchild Is Missing"

[Twinners]

I found a video from Greta when she was at the Anthony house. The date on the video says August 5th. Cindy does take Greta in Casey's room then.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963775&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/caylee/index.html

I tried comparing the way the room looked then to the new video of it.

http://www.local6.com/news/18013764/detail.html

It seems like some things have been moved around from the to now (the bed, for example), but from what I noticed, it looks pretty much the same.

[Gatordog]

Just got a call from mom -

News reports that Mark Nejame has resigned as George and Cindy's attorney. I guess he could not go along with this charade of a Press Conference scheduled for later this week, (uh, it's Thursday, we don't have many days left).

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Just got a call from mom -

News reports that Mark Nejame has resigned as George and Cindy's attorney. I guess he could not go along with this charade of a Press Conference scheduled for later this week, (uh, it's Thursday, we don't have many days left).

Gator

I just read that and was getting ready to post and ask if anyone here had heard about it. I'm surprised it took him so long.

[Gatordog]

I found a video from Greta when she was at the Anthony house. The date on the video says August 5th. Cindy does take Greta in Casey's room then.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2963775&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/caylee/index.html

I tried comparing the way the room looked then to the new video of it.

http://www.local6.com/news/18013764/detail.html

It seems like some things have been moved around from the to now (the bed, for example), but from what I noticed, it looks pretty much the same.


Twinners - thanks for finding that. I would also say that the pictures they showed on the news yesterday were on the walls in Casey's room on August 5.

Gator

[Twinners]

I just saw that Gator!

NeJame Resigns As Anthony Family Attorney
Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:37:14 PM

ORLANDO -- Mark NeJame has resigned as the attorney for George and Cindy Anthony.

In a statement released to the media, NeJame said he agreed to represent the grandparents of missing 3-year-old Caylee Anthony under two conditions. The first was that there be no restrictions placed in finding Caylee whether she was alive or not.

In the statement, NeJame did not directly state if he beleived that Caylee was still alive, but he did say that George and Cindy "have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these "sightings" will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them."

NeJame stated that while he does have his own opinion on Caylee, the only person who knows the truth is the toddler's mother, Casey Anthony.

The second condition was that NeJame would have "absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense."

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/20/nejame_resigns_as_anthony_family_attorney.html



If I had to guess, I'd say it was the first condition they broke. I just can't see them asking him to represent Casey.

[Gatordog]

I should be named "What Not To Do If Your Child/Grandchild Is Missing"

Or "How not to raise a Sociopath - stop the lies early on".

[One2Snoop]

Mark NeJame Suddenly Resigns As Anthonys' Attorney
Thursday, November 20, 2008 – updated: 3:11 pm EST November 20, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- In a surprise move Thursday, Cindy and George Anthony's high-profile attorney resigned as their lawyer.

"Unfortunately, I have made the decision that it is best not to continue my representation of George and Cindy Anthony," NeJame wrote in a statement released Thursday afternoon by his law firm (read full statement).

NeJame represented only Cindy and George Anthony, not Casey, and said he was working to help them as they searched for their missing granddaughter, Caylee.
"George and Cindy have a belief that their beloved granddaughter, Caylee, is still alive. Tips and leads continue to come in. I believe strongly that they should have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these “sightings” will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them. What parent or grandparent would surrender such hope?" NeJame wrote.

NeJame, in his resignation letter, seemed frustrated with the Anthonys' willingness to do what they want and comment publicly to the media against his advice.

"Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and just respect any client’s prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will," he wrote.

NeJame then turned his attention to what he called "inaccurate accusations."

"Some ignorant and judgmental members of the public though have made hateful and inaccurate accusations against me and others, when they had no idea whatsoever what was really going on. As my new, good friend, Tim Miller from EquuSearch, tells me 'everybody associated with this case gets body slammed.' However, like Tim, when you know in your heart that you’re doing the right thing, you just move forward knowing that right will ultimately win out. Some have falsely accused me and some others of being in this for the money. If they only knew how utterly wrong and misguided they are."

NeJame also pressed for respect for Cindy and George as they continue searching for Caylee.

"Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption," he wrote.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18025956/detail.html

[Twinners]

No problem, Gator!

"Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption," he wrote.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18025956/detail.html
Thanks for posting! I really loved what he had to say at the end.

[One2Snoop]

Statement From Mark NeJame Resigning As Anthonys' Attorney
The following is a statement released by Mark NeJame on November 20, 2008

Unfortunately, I have made the decision that it is best not to continue my representation of George and Cindy Anthony.

George and Cindy have a belief that their beloved granddaughter, Caylee, is still alive. Tips and leads continue to come in. I believe strongly that they should have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these “sightings” will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them. What parent or grandparent would surrender such hope? Who is one person to tell another parent or grandparent when it is time for them to abandon their faith? When does a stranger have the right to judge another who has endured such a loss? The attacks made against them by some are deplorable. Let them be to do what they feel they must to find their beloved granddaughter, Caylee. Knowing this case as well as probably anyone on earth, there is no doubt that they do not know where Caylee is. Allow them to walk their own path.

I only agreed to represent George and Cindy Anthony, so long as there were no restrictions placed on me whatsoever as to finding Caylee, regardless of where this might lead. Quite simply, this meant that I could do whatever I needed to find Caylee whether she was alive or not. It impressed me that George and Cindy, both believing that Caylee was still with us, had an overriding and primary concern in finding Caylee, even if the result was not as they would hope. The other condition I required was that I would have absolutely nothing to do with representing Casey or assisting in her legal defense.

Abundant efforts have been made towards finding Caylee. I have worked with so many involved in this matter towards the goal of finding this dear, missing child who has captured the hearts of so many. Some ignorant and judgmental members of the public though have made hateful and inaccurate accusations against me and others, when they had no idea whatsoever what was really going on. As my new, good friend, Tim Miller from Equusearch, tells me “everybody associated with this case gets body slammed.” However, like Tim, when you know in your heart that you’re doing the right thing, you just move forward knowing that right will ultimately win out. Some have falsely accused me and some others of being in this for the money. If they only knew how utterly wrong and misguided they are.

I had come to a personal opinion and theory for quite some time whether Caylee was still with us or not. However, my opinion was only one like any other…an opinion. The only person without an opinion though is Casey Anthony as only she knows the truth. I believe that the singular person out of the 6 billion people in the world who holds the key to finding Caylee is her mother, Casey Anthony. Although I was quite successful in resolving a multitude of matters, I am unable to go further to help George and Cindy find Caylee in my current role. I can only provide my best advice and must respect any client’s prerogative to do what they deem is best, whether they choose to follow my guidance or not. However, there is little value or use I can provide to any client if they choose to act and comment at will.

As someone who has learned and knows the inner workings and details of the case and its various characters intimately, the rampant sensationalism and unfounded accusations must stop. Allow Cindy and George Anthony the respect and decency of dealing with their hope and efforts to find their missing and beloved Caylee as they need to. Allow those with differing opinions on finding and searching for Caylee, whether she is with us or not, to do their jobs without interruption. Finally, the judicial system is in play and justice will be best served by mindless meddlers staying out of something they know little of. There are many wonderful people involved in efforts to find Caylee and there are, unfortunately, many who are exploiting this child. Sadly, most in the public are clueless about who is doing what and what is really going on. The negative actions of some are only counterproductive and hurtful to the cause of those many good people who are doing so much to do something positive with this most sad and tragic situation. There should only be one goal and that is to find Caylee Marie Anthony.

Mark E. NeJame

http://www.wftv.com/news/18025838/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Mark Nejame really put it into words beautifully. He has handled himself with dignity and grace throughout this whole ordeal, although I didn't always agree with him. That's why he and John Morgan are two of the top attorneys in Central Florida. They do what is right, and what is in their hearts. :rose:

Gator

[deacon]

Just got a call from mom -

News reports that Mark Nejame has resigned as George and Cindy's attorney. I guess he could not go along with this charade of a Press Conference scheduled for later this week, (uh, it's Thursday, we don't have many days left).

Gator

Really not suprised by that. Sort of wondered how long he would stay. When you hire a lawyer you should follow his directions. If not, why hire him? He can not work wonders. The public opinion that they are confronted with, they brought on themselves somewhat.

The real loser in this case is Caylee.:rose: We need to remember that.

[One2Snoop]

Hmmmmm between OCSO giving up the search and now NeJames quitting that really speaks loud and clear IMO with whats going on. I guess I can't blame the Anthony's for looking though - I'd probably do the same thing although I hope I wouldn't make a spectacle of myself during the process.

OCSO Abandons Hope To Find Caylee Alive
Spokesman Says FBI Evidence Proves Toddler Is Dead

POSTED: 3:59 pm EST November 19, 2008
UPDATED: 6:14 pm EST November 19, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office exclusively told WESH 2 News that they are no longer following up on any tips that suggest Caylee Anthony is alive.

On Friday, the group Kid Finders plans to hold a press conference to explain why they think Caylee is alive. A sheriff's spokesman said Caylee is dead and they're moving on.

Sheriff's Office spokesman Carlos Padilla said they are confident that FBI lab tests on evidence found in Casey Anthony's car prove Caylee is dead. He said that is backed up by the grand jury's murder indictment of Casey Anthony.

"We cannot continue to look when we have no evidence whatsover that she's alive," he said.
snip

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html?treets=orl&tml=orl_break&ts=T&tmi=orl_break_-1_05050111192008

[deputydi]

Mark Nejame really put it into words beautifully. He has handled himself with dignity and grace throughout this whole ordeal, although I didn't always agree with him. That's why he and John Morgan are two of the top attorneys in Central Florida. They do what is right, and what is in their hearts. :rose:

Gator
Mark Nejame is one class act. I can't tell you how much respect I have for him.

He very eloquently said what I've been trying to say all along about Cindy and George. I didn't say it as well as he, but I agree with every word.

[One2Snoop]

Anthonys holding news conference Friday

Last Edited: Thursday, 20 Nov 2008, 5:58 PM EST
Created: Thursday, 20 Nov 2008, 5:57 PM EST


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- George and Cindy Anthony will be holding a news conference Friday about their search for their missing granddaughter Caylee .

On Thursday FOX 35’s Shannon Butler asked George about Friday’s new conference. He would not give any details and would not talk on camera, but on Wednesday he told Shannon about Caylee, “She is alive we have been saying that all along."

But cops had plenty to say Thursday afternoon saying the announcement is just smoke and mirrors. "I would question why they did not do it earlier. if they have reason to believe the child is alive and they are so convinced that they are holding a newser why then bring this to law enforcement why wait days or weeks to present the evidence to police I would question that," said Sgt. Carlos Padilla from the Orange County Sheriff's Office .

But the family is keeping it out there, the possibility, even if small, that Caylee could still be alive.

Searches by a bounty hunter, Texas Equusearch and cops have not turned up the body of the little girl and some question if the family keeping hope alive may be enough to put reasonable doubt in the jury's mind. "When this goes to trial the jury is going to see all the evidence. There is evidence I still have not seen myself, but for the grand jury to have indicted her it must be compelling evidence and they are confident they can take this to a trial," said Padilla.

The Anthony's have not yet released the details of there announcement.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7911868&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

I think we all have the same thoughts - why not come forward with this info earlier?

But cops had plenty to say Thursday afternoon saying the announcement is just smoke and mirrors. "I would question why they did not do it earlier. if they have reason to believe the child is alive and they are so convinced that they are holding a newser why then bring this to law enforcement why wait days or weeks to present the evidence to police I would question that," said Sgt. Carlos Padilla from the Orange County Sheriff's Office .

[One2Snoop]

NeJame Resigns, Anthonys Think Caylee Spotted
Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:58:18 PM

ORLANDO -- There were several new shockers Thursday in the search for Caylee Anthony.

The lawyer for George and Cindy Anthony has resigned and the Anthonys tell News 13 that a new picture has them hopeful they could find their granddaughter.

On Thursday, Mark NeJame announced he could no longer represent the family. But George and Cindy Anthony said, despite the news, their search for their granddaughter continues.

George and Cindy Anthony told News 13's Melissa Crabtree that their working relationship with NeJame is over and that they believe Caylee was in Orlando this week.

They have a photo taken by an eyewitness at the Florida Mall on Sunday that they provided to News 13, as well as to the Orange County Sheriff's Office and the FBI.

The photo shows a girl playing, who they feel looks a lot like Caylee.

George Anthony said that, at this point, he's going to start skipping the chain of command and aggressively align himself with anyone who can help the search effort for a live Caylee -- whether it's law enforcement or the media.

The family said that if people don't like that, then they should ask themselves what they would do if investigators told them to stop looking.

Anthonys Comment On NeJame
The Anthonys said NeJame wasn't willing to push authorities hard enough to investigate tips or leads.

The decision to part ways with NeJame followed bounty hunter Leonard Padilla and Larry Garrison removing their support for Casey Anthony.

The Anthonys said law enforcement in the state of Florida refuses to help them -- from the sheriff's office all the way up to the attorney general.

In a statement on Thursday, NeJame said he can no longer represent the Anthonys because he has no value to them if they, "choose to act and comment at will."

In the statement, NeJame did not directly state if he believed that Caylee was still alive, but he did say that George and Cindy "have every right to maintain their hope and faith that one of these 'sightings' will miraculously be the one that brings Caylee home to them."

NeJame stated that while he does have his own opinion on Caylee, the only person who knows the truth is the toddler's mother, Casey Anthony.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/20/nejame_resigns_as_anthony_family_attorney.html

[One2Snoop]

Why would someone take Caylee to such a public place like the mall? I don't think this is her...

http://i37.tinypic.com/icsc4h.jpg
Mall


http://i38.tinypic.com/2ykb47a.jpg
Caylee

[One2Snoop]

Mark NeJame explains why he resigned as the Anthonys' attorney. (11/20/08)
http://www.wftv.com/video/18027694/index.html

[One2Snoop]

No News Conference? :confused:

November 20, 2008

For Immediate Release
Contact Michelle Bart

Orlando, FL – “Due to recent developments and events this week, it has now become unnecessary to hold a press conference,” said Michelle Bart, spokesperson for the Anthony family.

“The search for Caylee Marie Anthony will continue and we are asking the public if you feel your previous tips were not addressed to please contact Caylee’s tipline at 1-888-231-5618, furthermore, the command center will continue to be open weekly Thursday – Monday from 10am-4pm in order for us to continue our outreach to the community in bringing home Caylee and many other children that are still missing,” said George Anthony. “We appreciate the time and energy that Mr. NeJame and his law firm has dedicated to representing us in the last several months. We respect Mr. NeJame’s decision to resign as our representative as we agree that he can no longer be of benefit to us in our quest to find our missing granddaughter Caylee Marie. We wish Mark and his staff all the best,” said George and Cindy Anthony.
For further information please continue to visit www.helpfindcaylee.com or www.myspace.com/cayleeismissing. ###
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43508113.pdf

[Twinners]

Why would someone take Caylee to such a public place like the mall? I don't think this is her...

http://i37.tinypic.com/icsc4h.jpg
Mall


http://i38.tinypic.com/2ykb47a.jpg
Caylee
I don't think this is her either, but, wow! I could see why they think it could be.

Thanks for posting!

[mu8shark]

Tony, Casey's boyfriend, actually mentions her having groceries and some clothes with her the day he picked her up from AmScot in his police interview. He mentions freezer pops and chicken and says they didn't appear to be from a grocery store, but rather, from Casey's. He talks about the bags they were in, as well.

I wonder if this is the frozen food we're hearing about now?

Here's a link to the PDF file of his interview: http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540075.pdf

The food is mentioned on pages 23 and 24. I have a completely different interpretation of this and the food. The food Tony mentioned I think Casey did not leave in the trunk at all. She had it with her in a bag outside the car, (which I think is kind of weird, why not wait in the car unless it smells like hell and you don't want your boyfriend to smell it) and I think Casey took it with her . I think it was part of the groceries Tony's roomate mentions she bought for people at the apartment.. I think the meat and cheese is from the pizza and I think Dr Lee got confused. I don't recall any mention in any of the seizures in the original documents of any frozen food in the trunk at all. So I think they are separate things and Dr Lee after all this time still does not speak well. (Sorry if someone interprets that as racist, don't mean it to be, just he is hard to understand a lot of the time) I do agree she left the pizza in the trunk for a reason. Also in George's interview he said the laundry detergent was not laundry detergent at all, he mentioned those little laundry fragrance sheets you know that you put in dryer to make clothes smell good. This is I think telling . Casey was trying everything to get rid of that smell. Sorry responding so late to a post a while back

[applesandorange]

Why would someone take Caylee to such a public place like the mall? I don't think this is her...

http://i37.tinypic.com/icsc4h.jpg
Mall


http://i38.tinypic.com/2ykb47a.jpg
Caylee


Here's the thing with this pic, yes it does look like Caylee from the side BUT why didn't they take a front picture of the child? Also why didn't whoever took the picture not call 911 right as soon as they saw this child? I mean why take a pic and hand it out? Why not call someone before this child got away? Doesn't make sense.

[mu8shark]

I don't think this is her either, but, wow! I could see why they think it could be.

Thanks for posting! Curiously if the person who took this really wanted to be helpful you would think they would take a picture full face on and not so far back and from the side. I think it may resemble her but I mean come on , what kidnapper in Orlando would just parade her around the mall? Kind of out there. Also if I really thought this was her , I would call 911 right away not take a photo and let the chance get away from me for her to be rescued.

[mu8shark]

Here's the thing with this pic, yes it does look like Caylee from the side BUT why didn't they take a front picture of the child? Also why didn't whoever took the picture not call 911 right as soon as they saw this child? I mean why take a pic and hand it out? Why not call someone before this child got away? Doesn't make sense. Jeez Apples, cue the eerie music, will you look at my post LOL. Get out of my head !!!!

[applesandorange]

Jeez Apples, cue the eerie music, will you look at my post LOL. Get out of my head !!!!


LoL!! You know what they say about great minds thinking alike. :beer:

[mu8shark]

Maybe you all talked about this last night but in the beginning of NG last night she said when Casey saw on tv about the decomposition in the trunk she made a statement that other people borrowed her car. I thought that was curious. No statement like oh for gods sake there is no decomp but someone else borrowed her car. Like who? Tony has a car. Amy had a car and Casey borrowed hers. George denies driving that car. Also , did Nancy ever elaborate on this further? I did not hear another word about it. Anyone know anything else about this? I think it is telling she is trying to say someone else had her car. So now we have gone from the smell being dead squirrels, pizza , hitting a squirrel and now yes maybe it is the smell of decomp but someone else drove her car. They better pick a theory at trial. While they don't have to prove any theory on the defense, juries traditionally don't like scattershot and pick what ya think stick defenses.

[Twinners]

Here's the thing with this pic, yes it does look like Caylee from the side BUT why didn't they take a front picture of the child? Also why didn't whoever took the picture not call 911 right as soon as they saw this child? I mean why take a pic and hand it out? Why not call someone before this child got away? Doesn't make sense.
You're exactly right - it doesn't make sense at all. I could understand it if they thought moving around to take a better picture (ie, closer, from the front, etc) might alert whoever had Caylee to them noticing her, but I can't really wrap my brain around that being the reason because if they really, truly thought it was her, the angle they took the picture from wouldn't have been their first concern. Or at least it wouldn't have been mine, calling 911 would have. Obviously we can't know that they didn't unless someone gives the details of what happened that day. Maybe they did and LE wouldn't respond since they are no longer looking for an alive Caylee. I don't know. Anything's possible, I guess.

I do think it would be very hard to ignore a picture like that one were I in Cindy and George's shoes. It would certainly motivate me to try to find out if it were her through any means possible. I expect they'll have very limited resources where that goes now. The various stores and so forth won't be obligated to release video of it for them to review now since LE is out of it.

General question. Do you think Cindy and George know about all the evidence they have against Casey now?

[mu8shark]

LoL!! You know what they say about great minds thinking alike. :beer: It was so funny because when I clicked to post I saw yours above mine and almost thought I double posted. I bet on a jury we would probably get along great :D

[One2Snoop]

You're exactly right - it doesn't make sense at all. I could understand it if they thought moving around to take a better picture (ie, closer, from the front, etc) might alert whoever had Caylee to them noticing her, but I can't really wrap my brain around that being the reason because if they really, truly thought it was her, the angle they took the picture from wouldn't have been their first concern. Or at least it wouldn't have been mine, calling 911 would have. Obviously we can't know that they didn't unless someone gives the details of what happened that day. Maybe they did and LE wouldn't respond since they are no longer looking for an alive Caylee. I don't know. Anything's possible, I guess.

I do think it would be very hard to ignore a picture like that one were I in Cindy and George's shoes. It would certainly motivate me to try to find out if it were her through any means possible. I expect they'll have very limited resources where that goes now. The various stores and so forth won't be obligated to release video of it for them to review now since LE is out of it.

General question. Do you think Cindy and George know about all the evidence they have against Casey now?

They've known since August 1, 2008 this being the date the forensics reports were released IMO.

oops I misread your question - thought you asked if G&A realize now that Caylee is dead with all the evidence LE has. I need to slow down while reading LOL.

[Twinners]

Curiously if the person who took this really wanted to be helpful you would think they would take a picture full face on and not so far back and from the side. I think it may resemble her but I mean come on , what kidnapper in Orlando would just parade her around the mall? Kind of out there. Also if I really thought this was her , I would call 911 right away not take a photo and let the chance get away from me for her to be rescued.
Yeah, I'd call 911 too. At this point, though, I'm wonder how many people would call 911 if they saw a child resembling Caylee. I think most people believe LE officials when they say she is dead. That makes me think a lot of people would ultimately decide it couldn't possibly be Caylee and move on if they did see a child that resembles her.

[mu8shark]

You're exactly right - it doesn't make sense at all. I could understand it if they thought moving around to take a better picture (ie, closer, from the front, etc) might alert whoever had Caylee to them noticing her, but I can't really wrap my brain around that being the reason because if they really, truly thought it was her, the angle they took the picture from wouldn't have been their first concern. Or at least it wouldn't have been mine, calling 911 would have. Obviously we can't know that they didn't unless someone gives the details of what happened that day. Maybe they did and LE wouldn't respond since they are no longer looking for an alive Caylee. I don't know. Anything's possible, I guess.

I do think it would be very hard to ignore a picture like that one were I in Cindy and George's shoes. It would certainly motivate me to try to find out if it were her through any means possible. I expect they'll have very limited resources where that goes now. The various stores and so forth won't be obligated to release video of it for them to review now since LE is out of it.

General question. Do you think Cindy and George know about all the evidence they have against Casey now? I think they do know all about the evidence but Cindy keeps saying that it is not reliable which comes from Baez/Bias. I think that hair with the post mortem banding on it with the mitronchrondial dna is going to be more problematic than the air compound sample. To be honest the air compound sample test is somewhat new. But the post mortem hair band less so and the mitrochrondial dna is really pretty limited as to who it could be. I was reading an article about Anastasia the daughter of the czar and a woman Anna Anderson claiming she was her and Anastasia was not killed in 1918.Most people were convinced this woman was a polish factory worker. What happened eventually was that a mitronchrondial dna sample was done on Anna Anderson and a remote cousin of the factory worker. . It turned out to be the cousin of the factory worker and Anna Anderson had the same dna from the mothers side and they proved who she was., the factory worker. However, the article pointed out , that it would have to be some sort of a relative not just some unknown person, if that makes sense. In other words , it will be hard for the defense to say, maybe it was a dead neighbor in the trunk or some guy wandering the streets ended up in Caseys trunk with the same mitronchronidal dna. It would be really , really far fetched. So about their only hope with getting away with that is saying a cousin or relative of the Anthonys was dead in the trunk and if no one is missing in the family ..... Sorry I went into such a long discourse(rambling again) but the long of it is , I don't understand why Cindy would find mitronchrondial dna so unconvincing. It is not a one in million or millions match but it is a familial link.

[Twinners]

They've known since August 1, 2008 this being the date the forensics reports were released IMO.

oops I misread your question - thought you asked if G&A realize now that Caylee is dead with all the evidence LE has. I need to slow down while reading LOL.
LOL! No problem! I'm a fast reader myself!

To be honest, I assumed LE officials would tell Cindy and George about all the evidence they found, but then I read something, somewhere today that made it seem like that may not be the case. Some of the evidence, it seems, may be held quiet until the trial. I keep thinking that may be when Cindy and George will finally be forced to face the truth.

[Twinners]

Maybe you all talked about this last night but in the beginning of NG last night she said when Casey saw on tv about the decomposition in the trunk she made a statement that other people borrowed her car. I thought that was curious. No statement like oh for gods sake there is no decomp but someone else borrowed her car. Like who? Tony has a car. Amy had a car and Casey borrowed hers. George denies driving that car. Also , did Nancy ever elaborate on this further? I did not hear another word about it. Anyone know anything else about this? I think it is telling she is trying to say someone else had her car. So now we have gone from the smell being dead squirrels, pizza , hitting a squirrel and now yes maybe it is the smell of decomp but someone else drove her car. They better pick a theory at trial. While they don't have to prove any theory on the defense, juries traditionally don't like scattershot and pick what ya think stick defenses.
With all the "out's" Casey has seemingly tried to set up for herself in her story, I'm actually surprised she didn't say she left her car with the fictional nanny to use on the day Caylee went missing. She could've caught a ride to and from her fictional job with one of her fictional co-workers and found the car, but not the fictional nanny or Caylee when she got home. That would've just covered everything, huh? LOL. Have I mentioned lately how much I simply cannot stand her? Ugh!

[mu8shark]

MOO I think George knows the truth. Cindy will continue to look for Caylee in Cindyland till the end of time. MOO :rose::rose: Absolutely ITA, George knows the score. When he said you would think someone would want to come forward and be our hero on the interview on NG, I think he should realize, if she was out there alive and someone knew that was not involved , they would be the hero. As it is, since she is dead.... well.

[mu8shark]

Okay time for our daily dose of humour and I can't take credit for this. I saw it on another board. They were talking about that Casey said other people drove her car and someone said Maybe the squirrels drove her car before they crawled up in the hood and died. I thought that was kind of funny. Aww nuts.... :eek:

[Twinners]

Has anyone seen the movie Gone, Baby, Gone? That movie reminds me a lot of this case, except in this case, there is actually solid evidence to show Caylee is dead.

[mu8shark]

Has anyone seen the movie Gone, Baby, Gone? That movie reminds me a lot of this case, except in this case, there is actually solid evidence to show Caylee is dead. I have seen that movie and wasn't the motive for the kidnapping that they did not think the mother was fit and that couple wanted to raise a kid?

[Justice Denied?]

LOL! No problem! I'm a fast reader myself!

To be honest, I assumed LE officials would tell Cindy and George about all the evidence they found, but then I read something, somewhere today that made it seem like that may not be the case. Some of the evidence, it seems, may be held quiet until the trial. I keep thinking that may be when Cindy and George will finally be forced to face the truth.

IMO, if Caylee is never found, alive or dead, Cindy will go to her grave beliving Caylee is alive regardless of whether Casey is convicted or not.

There are 2 things I believe. Caylee will never talk andCindy will never admit Caylee is dead.

[Twinners]

Okay time for our daily dose of humour and I can't take credit for this. I saw it on another board. They were talking about that Casey said other people drove her car and someone said Maybe the squirrels drove her car before they crawled up in the hood and died. I thought that was kind of funny. Aww nuts.... :eek:
LMBO! That's too funny!
I have seen that movie and wasn't the motive for the kidnapping that they did not think the mother was fit and that couple wanted to raise a kid?
Yep! The little girl's uncle and his wife had been trying to take care of her the best they could, but she was still subjected to the whim's and lifestyle of her mother, kind of like the situation with Caylee, the Anthony's and Casey. The mother in the movie was very into partying and her boyfriend's, much like Casey seemed to be. Her child never seemed to be her first concern, or really, her concern at all, which is why the uncle jumped at the chance to have the other couple take her. I still remember the story he told about the time the mom left the little girl (Amanda) alone for hours in the hot car while she went to the beach with her friend. It's kind of scary to think that kind of thing actually happens in real life.

[Justice Denied?]

With all the "out's" Casey has seemingly tried to set up for herself in her story, I'm actually surprised she didn't say she left her car with the fictional nanny to use on the day Caylee went missing. She could've caught a ride to and from her fictional job with one of her fictional co-workers and found the car, but not the fictional nanny or Caylee when she got home. That would've just covered everything, huh? LOL. Have I mentioned lately how much I simply cannot stand her? Ugh!

You are just too smart for your own good,LOL! My mind doesn't work like that. I can't ever figure out the plots. Any way, great thinking.

Don't blame Casey too much. She didn't have a chance with Cindy for a mother. I do think she deserves the DP for what she did.

[Twinners]

IMO, if Caylee is never found, alive or dead, Cindy will go to her grave beliving Caylee is alive regardless of whether Casey is convicted or not.

There are 2 things I believe. Caylee will never talk andCindy will never admit Caylee is dead.
I agree. I believe Dr. Perper said last night on NG that he didn't think they would ever find the body, but if they did, it would be primarily bones with, maybe, a little soft tissue. I'm not sure even having the bones would be enough for Cindy. I think the only way she'd ever really believe Caylee is gone is if she saw her body, which just isn't something that could happen at this point.

As for Casey, I don't believe she'll ever talk either. I just wish Cindy would finally accept at least that much of it.

[Justice Denied?]

Okay time for our daily dose of humour and I can't take credit for this. I saw it on another board. They were talking about that Casey said other people drove her car and someone said Maybe the squirrels drove her car before they crawled up in the hood and died. I thought that was kind of funny. Aww nuts.... :eek:

Good one, or at least I liked it. Cheers! :beer:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks to everyone for all the updates today!

RE: That pic of the Caylee lookalike. I swear, if someone took a snappy of my child and then I found out it was handed out, passed around, broadcast, etc., I would break some heads. The Live Caylee Search has the potential to be exploitative of all the three year olds who aren't her.

And that mitochondrial DNA doesn't just indicate that the decomposition comes from a relative of Cindy/Casey/Caylee, but probably from a child. Just how many children have gone missing that are relatives could possibly have ended up in the trunk of that car?

And honestly, it flies in the face of science for G&C to deny the forensics in this case. I don't see a jury being as backwards thinking as they are (in public) about the findings in this case.

[One2Snoop]

LOL! No problem! I'm a fast reader myself!

To be honest, I assumed LE officials would tell Cindy and George about all the evidence they found, but then I read something, somewhere today that made it seem like that may not be the case. Some of the evidence, it seems, may be held quiet until the trial. I keep thinking that may be when Cindy and George will finally be forced to face the truth.

I believe George already knows the truth from what Gator has told us regarding her experience in meeting both of them, George will always do as Cindy says. Sad for Caylee's sake IMO.

ETA - I'm certain they know all about the evidence if not thru their ex-attorney who obviously believes the forensics because he's resigned as their attorney and realizes they refuse to face the truth. I know they read the news reports and have been interviewed by media asking point blank questions about the evidence stating Caylee's dead and LE has forensic evidence proving it. By golly Cindy is right regardless of the proven evidence! :rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

Okay time for our daily dose of humour and I can't take credit for this. I saw it on another board. They were talking about that Casey said other people drove her car and someone said Maybe the squirrels drove her car before they crawled up in the hood and died. I thought that was kind of funny. Aww nuts.... :eek:

ROFL - much needed humor. Thank you for that. :beer:

[mu8shark]

Thanks to everyone for all the updates today!

RE: That pic of the Caylee lookalike. I swear, if someone took a snappy of my child and then I found out it was handed out, passed around, broadcast, etc., I would break some heads. The Live Caylee Search has the potential to be exploitative of all the three year olds who aren't her.

And that mitochondrial DNA doesn't just indicate that the decomposition comes from a relative of Cindy/Casey/Caylee, but probably from a child. Just how many children have gone missing that are relatives could possibly have ended up in the trunk of that car?

And honestly, it flies in the face of science for G&C to deny the forensics in this case. I don't see a jury being as backwards thinking as they are (in public) about the findings in this case. I know that before you explained what was in the forensics that indicated it came from a child, but I have forgotten what that was, Can you explain that again because I know I found it interesting and maybe some newbies did not even realize it. Thanks

[Avad1228]

IMO, if Caylee is never found, alive or dead, Cindy will go to her grave beliving Caylee is alive regardless of whether Casey is convicted or not.

There are 2 things I believe. Caylee will never talk andCindy will never admit Caylee is dead.

I agree. I also read that cindy and george have lost both a publicist and a lawyer this week. I think they both know the only reason they are continuing to look is to try to imply reasonable doubt. In the interviews with George early on I think he knows. I find it interesting that the brother that came to her defense has been silent since about Aug. I wonder if he could not get behind the facade the parents are trying to create and was banished or what. If I were him I think I would hide and change my name, to avoid any association with any of them.

[Twinners]

Okay, I'm reading through one of the forensic reports and according to it, no pizza was found in the trunk of Casey's car. Also, the "no maggot" thing seems to have come from a "control" test they did on pizza in a research facility in Tennessee.

Link to the report (PDF): http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1024/17794795.pdf

That information is at the top of page 21.

[One2Snoop]

Okay, I'm reading through one of the forensic reports and according to it, no pizza was found in the trunk of Casey's car. Also, the "no maggot" thing seems to have come from a "control" test they did on pizza in a research facility in Tennessee.

Link to the report (PDF): http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1024/17794795.pdf

That information is at the top of page 21.

IIRC Cindy is the one who blamed the smell on rotten pizza. I'm thinking thats how this whole thing with the pizza got started.

[One2Snoop]

I agree. I also read that cindy and george have lost both a publicist and a lawyer this week. I think they both know the only reason they are continuing to look is to try to imply reasonable doubt. In the interviews with George early on I think he knows. I find it interesting that the brother that came to her defense has been silent since about Aug. I wonder if he could not get behind the facade the parents are trying to create and was banished or what. If I were him I think I would hide and change my name, to avoid any association with any of them.

Ahhh thank you - I was searching for the right words earlier about Baez hiring Henry Lee etc... and how I think he did that to place reasonable doubt in peoples minds - I believe his attempt to do that will only backfire though considering Lee's questionable background.


Regarding Lee Anthony - did you notice on NG tonight George said something about Lee was working in the background which I assume he meant Caylee's disappearance and Cindy cut him off and said he's been traveling because of work?

Message for George - you need to grow a set of you know what and stop letting Cindy walk all over you. :rolleyes: Sheeesh! :punch:

[mu8shark]

Okay, I'm reading through one of the forensic reports and according to it, no pizza was found in the trunk of Casey's car. Also, the "no maggot" thing seems to have come from a "control" test they did on pizza in a research facility in Tennessee.

Link to the report (PDF): http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1024/17794795.pdf

That information is at the top of page 21. Here is why that is. When the police confiscated the car there indeed was no pizza in the trunk. However, when they interviewed the tow yard manager he revealed that when Cindy and George came to pick up the car, George and the tow yard manager opened the trunk because of a a foul odor. Inside the trunk was a plastic white garbage bag and inside that bag was a pizza carton with half eaten pizza in it. Not thinking it was evidence, the tow yard manager tossed the bag over the fence into a trash container. When the police interviewed the tow yard manager , he took them to the dumpster out back and luckily the bag pizza and all were still there as the trash had not been picked up. That bag was definitely sent off for forensic tests, but it was separate from trunk contents the police sent off later when they confiscated the actual car. I have seen the document in pdf form that shows that the bag and contents were sent off separately from car trunk evidence.

[mu8shark]

IIRC Cindy is the one who blamed the smell on rotten pizza. I'm thinking thats how this whole thing with the pizza got started. The tow yard manager verified it was originally in the trunk or I would not even believe it was ever there. The maggots were on that bag which led me to believe when it was sent off for testing , maybe they tested the maggots to see if they could get dna off it for what it was feeding on. I mean I was hopeful about that because it is possible. However, I do not see any documents that reveal that. Early on, when the mitrochrondial and air tests came back , Leonard Padilla and a reporter both said , that LE was holding back some forensic evidence that would not be publicly released. I have not heard another word about it but I still wonder, was that a rumour or is the prosecution keeping one little piece up their sleeve? I also believe Casey purposely left the pizza in the trunk thinking now everyone will think the pizza caused the smell. It is also why she had the laundry smelly sheets back there, too. I know those dryer sheets which George told the police were there and not detergent are pungent and she probably hoped mistakenly that would take care of the odor.

[One2Snoop]

I apologize for posting the picture of this innocent young girl - but you have to admit she's a stricking resemblance of Caylee. I got my magnifying glass out early on and the nose isn't the same. Besides that, with all thats happened today regarding LE saying they've stopped looking for a live Caylee and the evidence proved weeks ago she's no longer alive - I give very little credence to these sightings. I just post the news as it becomes available.

'I can ask admin to remove the picture if you don't think it should be posted here. As a parent I'd be mortified if my daughters pic was being plastered all over the news and internet. I picked up the pic from News 13 who has it posted on their site. Let me know if you think it should be removed. Thanks:rose:

[One2Snoop]

The tow yard manager verified it was originally in the trunk or I would not even believe it was ever there. The maggots were on that bag which led me to believe when it was sent off for testing , maybe they tested the maggots to see if they could get dna off it for what it was feeding on. I mean I was hopeful about that because it is possible. However, I do not see any documents that reveal that. Early on, when the mitrochrondial and air tests came back , Leonard Padilla and a reporter both said , that LE was holding back some forensic evidence that would not be publicly released. I have not heard another word about it but I still wonder, was that a rumor or is the prosecution keeping one little piece up their sleeve? I also believe Casey purposely left the pizza in the trunk thinking now everyone will think the pizza caused the smell. It is also why she had the laundry smelly sheets back there, too. I know those dryer sheets which George told the police were there and not detergent are pungent and she probably hoped mistakenly that would take care of the odor.

:eek: Say what? :confused: She had drier sheets in her trunk? I'd heard about laundry detergent but not the drier sheets? :shrug:


:biggrin: Sorry I couldn't resist adding a bit more humor to this sad fiasco...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3KxC9PhYx0&feature=related
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ivxrm1.jpg

[mu8shark]

I apologize for posting the picture of this innocent young girl - but you have to admit she's a stricking resemblance of Caylee. I got my magnifying glass out early on and the nose isn't the same. Besides that, with all thats happened today regarding LE saying they've stopped looking for a live Caylee and the evidence proved weeks ago she's no longer alive - I give very little credence to these sightings. I just post the news as it becomes available.

'I can ask admin to remove the picture if you don't think it should be posted here. As a parent I'd be mortified if my daughters pic was being plastered all over the news and internet. I picked up the pic from News 13 who has it posted on their site. Let me know if you think it should be removed. Thanks:rose: I think it is fine. It will be all over the news and internet on legitimate sites. I think as long as we indicate it is just an alleged sighting and not claim it is her , it is fine. I wonder in fact if the person to whom this child belongs might not come forward and say it was my child and it is not Caylee.

[mu8shark]

:eek: Say what? :confused: She had drier sheets in her trunk? I'd heard about laundry detergent but not the drier sheets? :shrug:


:biggrin: Sorry I couldn't resist adding a bit more humor to this sad fiasco...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3KxC9PhYx0&feature=related
http://i38.tinypic.com/2ivxrm1.jpg According to George's interview he called them dryer sheets. Also on your squirrels, we both had the number three in mind eh? See my thread the real culprits. LOL :beer: In fact if you look at the noses they are the same three squirrels . ROTFLMBAO

[One2Snoop]

I think it is fine. It will be all over the news and internet on legitimate sites. I think as long as we indicate it is just an alleged sighting and not claim it is her , it is fine. I wonder in fact if the person to whom this child belongs might not come forward and say it was my child and it is not Caylee.

I'm sure once she see's her daughters photo plastered all over the place asking if this is Caylee - she'd be speed dialing every news station available. Well I know thats what I would do.

In all serious though, you'd be surprised at the number of people who don't watch the news or read the papers, let alone follow this stuff on the net. I've read many times over how someone was contacted by a friend of a friend because their info was posted at such and such a place.

[One2Snoop]

According to George's interview he called them dryer sheets. Also on your squirrels, we both had the number three in mind eh? See my thread the real culprits. LOL :beer: In fact if you look at the noses they are the same three squirrels . ROTFLMBAO

Damn! and here I thought I was posting my own original thought for once. :punch: :tongue:

[Twinners]

Here is why that is. When the police confiscated the car there indeed was no pizza in the trunk. However, when they interviewed the tow yard manager he revealed that when Cindy and George came to pick up the car, George and the tow yard manager opened the trunk because of a a foul odor. Inside the trunk was a plastic white garbage bag and inside that bag was a pizza carton with half eaten pizza in it. Not thinking it was evidence, the tow yard manager tossed the bag over the fence into a trash container. When the police interviewed the tow yard manager , he took them to the dumpster out back and luckily the bag pizza and all were still there as the trash had not been picked up. That bag was definitely sent off for forensic tests, but it was separate from trunk contents the police sent off later when they confiscated the actual car. I have seen the document in pdf form that shows that the bag and contents were sent off separately from car trunk evidence.

The tow yard manager verified it was originally in the trunk or I would not even believe it was ever there. The maggots were on that bag which led me to believe when it was sent off for testing , maybe they tested the maggots to see if they could get dna off it for what it was feeding on. I mean I was hopeful about that because it is possible. However, I do not see any documents that reveal that. Early on, when the mitrochrondial and air tests came back , Leonard Padilla and a reporter both said , that LE was holding back some forensic evidence that would not be publicly released. I have not heard another word about it but I still wonder, was that a rumour or is the prosecution keeping one little piece up their sleeve? I also believe Casey purposely left the pizza in the trunk thinking now everyone will think the pizza caused the smell. It is also why she had the laundry smelly sheets back there, too. I know those dryer sheets which George told the police were there and not detergent are pungent and she probably hoped mistakenly that would take care of the odor.

Thanks ladies! :rose:

I'm still reading through some stuff, but from what I gather from the various news reports, there wasn't any pizza in the trunk, only an empty box. There were supposedly maggots on/in the bag they found in the trunk, yet there was none on the pizza in the "control" test they did in Tennessee. No wonder Casey's butt is in jail. Something else had to be in that car.

Have they released the forensic reports on the bag yet?

[mu8shark]

Thanks ladies! :rose:

I'm still reading through some stuff, but from what I gather from the various news reports, there wasn't any pizza in the trunk, only an empty box. There were supposedly maggots on/in the bag they found in the trunk, yet there was none on the pizza in the "control" test they did in Tennessee. No wonder Casey's butt is in jail. Something else had to be in that car.

Have they released the forensic reports on the bag yet? No they have not released that. However, it could be that there was no result so therefore they did not release it. Or it could be the something they are supposedly holding back. Even with the liberal public documents laws in Florida police and the DA are allowed to hold something back. so.... who knows. It was in the very first batch of documents that they released where I saw the report where they mentioned the bag and its contents. I am sure they have results back, but not sure what if anything they found.

[Twinners]

No they have not released that. However, it could be that there was no result so therefore they did not release it. Or it could be the something they are supposedly holding back. Even with the liberal public documents laws in Florida police and the DA are allowed to hold something back. so.... who knows. It was in the very first batch of documents that they released where I saw the report where they mentioned the bag and its contents. I am sure they have results back, but not sure what if anything they found.
Thank you so, so much! I don't know what I'd do without all of you!

I was reading a bit more and saw where they took a white bag with blue handles containing misc. items in as evidence. I'm definitely interested in what information they obtained from it, if any, during the trial.

Has there been any speculation on what the prosecution will use as her motive and/or the method of Caylee's death?

[mu8shark]

Just a correction on the dryer sheets. That is my word. George Anthony in his interview used the exact words' Arm and Hammer lint things.' I surmise this must be dryer sheets and a man would use lint things to describe them. Nite all!

[mu8shark]

Thank you so, so much! I don't know what I'd do without all of you!

I was reading a bit more and saw where they took a white bag with blue handles containing misc. items in as evidence. I'm definitely interested in what information they obtained from it, if any, during the trial.

Has there been any speculation on what the prosecution will use as her motive and/or the method of Caylee's death? Legally, they don't have to present or prove either motive or mode of death however juries really like it. And in my opinion, there is no way they will skip either thing. As for motive from all the text messages and comments she made about the child crimping her style and messing up her partying, I imagine that will be the motive they present. She was tired of being a mommy, tired of Cindy telling her how to be a Mommy and she was not a good Mommy, tired of Cindys interference period. And because she had no visible means of support to some extent she had to put up with Cindy telling her what to do in order to support herself and Caylee. So on top of her resentment and boredom with Mommyhood, I mean she said it herself to her brother. She was a spiteful b i t c h. Her words exactly. As for how she killed her. I bet they try to present the theory she chloroformed Caylee , whether she killed her accidentally because she was trying to keep her quiet and sleeping while she partied or she did it on purpose as a neat, clean , quiet way to get it done. The trunk is said to be saturared with chloroform, so it could not come accidentally from cleaning products. Also she did look up how to make chloroform on the internet. If you put it together it is pretty powerful as the mode of death. Whether they can prove it was intentional or accidental, I don't know. But even if it was accidental, it is still felony murder of a child and she can get life.

[One2Snoop]

Just a correction on the dryer sheets. That is my word. George Anthony in his interview used the exact words' Arm and Hammer lint things.' I surmise this must be dryer sheets and a man would use lint things to describe them. Nite all!

Lint things? ok -never heard anyone I'm closely asscociated with on the male side refer dryer sheets as Lint things, LOL.

Night all -saying prayers that tomorrow brings us closer to finding Caylee and I'll leave it at that.

[deacon]

Thanks to everyone for all the updates today!

RE: That pic of the Caylee lookalike. I swear, if someone took a snappy of my child and then I found out it was handed out, passed around, broadcast, etc., I would break some heads. The Live Caylee Search has the potential to be exploitative of all the three year olds who aren't her.

And that mitochondrial DNA doesn't just indicate that the decomposition comes from a relative of Cindy/Casey/Caylee, but probably from a child. Just how many children have gone missing that are relatives could possibly have ended up in the trunk of that car?

And honestly, it flies in the face of science for G&C to deny the forensics in this case. I don't see a jury being as backwards thinking as they are (in public) about the findings in this case.

Yep. If someone took a picture of my child like this one they would be in big trouble. AND if someone called 911 just because they thought that my child "looked like Caylee" they would have a problem. Now, while I do think that a search for a lost child is very important, you must do it in the correct manner.

cindy keeps talking about the girl that was kidnaped and found later. She continues to say people thought that girl was dead. Yes they did, but and that is a big but, there was not any evidence that she was dead. In Caylee's case, there is evidence that Caylee is dead. Completely different set of problems in these two different cases.

[deacon]

Just a correction on the dryer sheets. That is my word. George Anthony in his interview used the exact words' Arm and Hammer lint things.' I surmise this must be dryer sheets and a man would use lint things to describe them. Nite all!

Not all men, thank you. I do laundry for my wife a bit and I know they are dryer sheets and not "lint things." Realy, they reduce static electricity in the dryer which ladies call static cling. Some men do know a little about doing laundry. BUT, my wife does not "control me" like his does. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.:biggrin:

[deacon]

Legally, they don't have to present or prove either motive or mode of death however juries really like it. And in my opinion, there is no way they will skip either thing. As for motive from all the text messages and comments she made about the child crimping her style and messing up her partying, I imagine that will be the motive they present. She was tired of being a mommy, tired of Cindy telling her how to be a Mommy and she was not a good Mommy, tired of Cindys interference period. And because she had no visible means of support to some extent she had to put up with Cindy telling her what to do in order to support herself and Caylee. So on top of her resentment and boredom with Mommyhood, I mean she said it herself to her brother. She was a spiteful b i t c h. Her words exactly. As for how she killed her. I bet they try to present the theory she chloroformed Caylee , whether she killed her accidentally because she was trying to keep her quiet and sleeping while she partied or she did it on purpose as a neat, clean , quiet way to get it done. The trunk is said to be saturared with chloroform, so it could not come accidentally from cleaning products. Also she did look up how to make chloroform on the internet. If you put it together it is pretty powerful as the mode of death. Whether they can prove it was intentional or accidental, I don't know. But even if it was accidental, it is still felony murder of a child and she can get life.


Those two factors scream "on purpose to me. MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

I apologize for posting the picture of this innocent young girl - but you have to admit she's a stricking resemblance of Caylee. I got my magnifying glass out early on and the nose isn't the same. Besides that, with all thats happened today regarding LE saying they've stopped looking for a live Caylee and the evidence proved weeks ago she's no longer alive - I give very little credence to these sightings. I just post the news as it becomes available.

'I can ask admin to remove the picture if you don't think it should be posted here. As a parent I'd be mortified if my daughters pic was being plastered all over the news and internet. I picked up the pic from News 13 who has it posted on their site. Let me know if you think it should be removed. Thanks:rose:

One2, I don't fault you in the least for posting the pic here; we would have seen it on one of the other outlets. The blame goes to the jerkwad who photographed the child in order to distribute it and to the media who broadcast it. But, I will admit that sometimes when it comes to something sensitive (for lack of a better word), I feel like people should have to dig to find it.

Sooooooo glad to see that I'm not the only one who has her magnifying glass nearby!

[deacon]

One2, I don't fault you in the least for posting the pic here; we would have seen it on one of the other outlets. The blame goes to the jerkwad who photographed the child in order to distribute it and to the media who broadcast it. But, I will admit that sometimes when it comes to something sensitive (for lack of a better word), I feel like people should have to dig to find it.

Sooooooo glad to see that I'm not the only one who has her magnifying glass nearby!

ITA the person who took the picture and distrubuted it is who I would be mad at. It would have been showen sooner or later and will probably be on NG or one of the other shows tonight.

[sharlock]

I would really appreciate it if you can locate the info on the chase. Was this the car that Cindy normally drives or the car Caset drove that was in Cindy's name?
George speaks of it in the interview that has just been released and also amongst that stuff is e-pass records taht show the tolls paid for all the cars. She was driving her mums car not the one she usually uses.

[deputydi]

Legally, they don't have to present or prove either motive or mode of death however juries really like it. And in my opinion, there is no way they will skip either thing. As for motive from all the text messages and comments she made about the child crimping her style and messing up her partying, I imagine that will be the motive they present. She was tired of being a mommy, tired of Cindy telling her how to be a Mommy and she was not a good Mommy, tired of Cindys interference period. And because she had no visible means of support to some extent she had to put up with Cindy telling her what to do in order to support herself and Caylee. So on top of her resentment and boredom with Mommyhood, I mean she said it herself to her brother. She was a spiteful b i t c h. Her words exactly. As for how she killed her. I bet they try to present the theory she chloroformed Caylee , whether she killed her accidentally because she was trying to keep her quiet and sleeping while she partied or she did it on purpose as a neat, clean , quiet way to get it done. The trunk is said to be saturared with chloroform, so it could not come accidentally from cleaning products. Also she did look up how to make chloroform on the internet. If you put it together it is pretty powerful as the mode of death. Whether they can prove it was intentional or accidental, I don't know. But even if it was accidental, it is still felony murder of a child and she can get life.
Well said. Not only do juries like being given a motive, I think it's going to be real important here. Without a body to prove definitively that Caylee is dead and no autopsy to prove how she died, the pros is going to have to give this jury a reason why Casey wanted her child out of the way.