Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[mu8shark]

Correct me here please - doesn't infallible mean without fail - incapable of error?
I'm thinking we mean the sonar is fallible - liable to be erroneous/capable of making a mistake.

:shrug: Did I get in trouble with the word not infallible. you mean what I know . LOL

[One2Snoop]

I've always wondered what with waves and currents and weather conditions, just how far SP left Lacy and Connor from where she washed ashore. You have to wonder too if Casey put Caylee into the Econ, if she wouldn't have been washed downstream with all the flooding that was going on. The diver on NG said there wasn't much of a current today, but I wonder about during and after the storms.

I think Gator can give us a better idea of the area - although I do remember her mentioning flooding - I'm curious about this particular spot that was searched today and where it flows to on a normal basis and with the flooding, where would it spill over too? I was under the impression it was at the end of something meaning the flow of water stopped there - again I could be wrong - I know Gator or someone local who has better knowledge of the area can let us know for sure on the conditions of the area and where it flows on a normal basis.

[One2Snoop]

Did I get in trouble with the word not infallible. you mean what I know . LOL

LOL - I know you did that on purpose just to confuse me. :punch: :tongue:

[mu8shark]

Thanks mu8shark, that interview must have been right around the time that Beary donated the money for the airboats to TES. I see that Cindy isn't cooperative, but he doesn't seem to expect it or be too worried or surprised about it. The difficult thing for most rational people to understand would probably be the assertion that Caylee had been given to a friend, yet no one had a name or number to reach the person. He mentions that. I do also remember how unsuitable the conditions were for the searchers, and there was a lot of talk about that.

I don't interpret this convo as proof that TM left town because Cindy was being uncooperative.

(If that was the case, you have to wonder why he came back. :punch: ) Well then Nancy is being creative because she states he told her something different off the air.We do have a difference of opinion about why he left. I am sure the conditions were part of it but I also and of course this is still my opinion feel he is intimidated by Cindy Anthony. Actually I read that Beary convinced Tim to come back. And I agree the conditions were not that good. I am afraid if the bones are few and far between and small, they will not find them in a body of water with any equipment or any dive.

[One2Snoop]

Well then Nancy is being creative because she states he told her something different off the air.We do have a difference of opinion about why he left. I am sure the conditions were part of it but I also and of course this is still my opinion feel he is intimidated by Cindy Anthony. Actually I read that Beary convinced Tim to come back. And I agree the conditions were not that good. I am afraid if the bones are few and far between and small, they will not find them in a body of water with any equipment or any dive.

ITA even though I'm not infallible ;) :beer:

[mu8shark]

I think Gator can give us a better idea of the area - although I do remember her mentioning flooding - I'm curious about this particular spot that was searched today and where it flows to on a normal basis and with the flooding, where would it spill over too? I was under the impression it was at the end of something meaning the flow of water stopped there - again I could be wrong - I know Gator or someone local who has better knowledge of the area can let us know for sure on the conditions of the area and where it flows on a normal basis. If it flows into another area, and she was in there she could be anywhere. Anywhere, I don't think they could ever find her. Also did I hear right, NG is on again that the police immediately discounted the toys in 10 minutes. I agree with Nancy on that, I think it is a bit weird to think the police know all of her toys. I am not saying they are her toys. But ten minutes does not seem like a long time to consider things. The reporter also said that they looked like bones, so I wonder what they were? Did the two cops nix that as well or did they get someone down there who knew what they were?

[lorettalockhorn]

I think Gator can give us a better idea of the area - although I do remember her mentioning flooding - I'm curious about this particular spot that was searched today and where it flows to on a normal basis and with the flooding, where would it spill over too? I was under the impression it was at the end of something meaning the flow of water stopped there - again I could be wrong - I know Gator or someone local who has better knowledge of the area can let us know for sure on the conditions of the area and where it flows on a normal basis.

Read or saw a video today (was it the drunk yahoo?) that stated that the Little Econ flows to the Big Econ (there is a dam somewhere) and into another river.

[lorettalockhorn]

If it flows into another area, and she was in there she could be anywhere. Anywhere, I don't think they could ever find her. Also did I hear right, NG is on again that the police immediately discounted the toys in 10 minutes. I agree with Nancy on that, I think it is a bit weird to think the police know all of her toys. I am not saying they are her toys. But ten minutes does not seem like a long time to consider things. The reporter also said that they looked like bones, so I wonder what they were? Did the two cops nix that as well or did they get someone down there who knew what they were?

It does look like LE would have taken the find with them to examine a little more closely. And I could have sworn that someone on NG said the bones were rocks. I wondered if any of those divers were anthropologists, and even if they had been bones how they would have determined so quickly that they weren't human.

[mu8shark]

It does look like LE would have taken the find with them to examine a little more closely. And I could have sworn that someone on NG said the bones were rocks. I wondered if any of those divers were anthropologists, and even if they had been bones how they would have determined so quickly that they weren't human. I would think the bones might be more obvious but not taking the toys with them is kind of weird. I mean, if for instance those toys were hers the police could not possibly look at them and say oh Caylee did not have those toys. Might of been a better idea to play that safe . Also I agree an anthropologist would be the ones to tell animal from human. Not sure a detective knows that right away. My opinion is that is beyond their expertise. I am sure they can tell bones from rocks but a detective I would think would need an expert to tell animal from human

[One2Snoop]

IIRC there was an FBI forensics guy sifting thru the stuff - its on one of the videos posted - granted he's probably not an anthropologist or pathologist but I'm sure he knows the diffence between rocks and bones - just sayin'

Interesting find today - still don't understand why LE found the need to polygraph Leonard other than to find out whether or not he was planting evidence. I find it hard to believe he'd do something like that but I don't put it past any of these derranged internet sloths I've been reading about to do something like that, in particular that azzhat that got into a shouting match today with Rob and Leonard. Disgusting. :cuss:

[mu8shark]

Okay this should be my last post tonight. I kind of go back and forth on whether I feel bad for George because of the position he is in, but I saw a post on here saying he should man up and you know maybe they are right. While I bet his life is hell, I am also kind of tired of seeing him following Cindy around like some kind of puppy. Next thing you know he will be on there carrying her purse. I am in a mood, aren't I?:o

[mu8shark]

IIRC there was an FBI forensics guy sifting thru the stuff - its on one of the videos posted - granted he's probably not an anthropologist or pathologist but I'm sure he knows the diffence between rocks and bones - just sayin'

Interesting find today - still don't understand why LE found the need to polygraph Leonard other than to find out whether or not he was planting evidence. I find it hard to believe he'd do something like that but I don't put it past any of these derranged internet sloths I've been reading about to do something like that, in particular that azzhat that got into a shouting match today with Rob and Leonard. Disgusting. :cuss: Well if it is FBI I am satisfied on the bones. Sigh

[One2Snoop]

Okay this should be my last post tonight. I kind of go back and forth on whether I feel bad for George because of the position he is in, but I saw a post on here saying he should man up and you know maybe they are right. While I bet his life is hell, I am also kind of tired of seeing him following Cindy around like some kind of puppy. Next thing you know he will be on there carrying her purse. I am in a mood, aren't I?:o


Well I'm sure you haven't said anything we don't all feel, thought or posted at one time or another. Good night to ya - :seeya:

[mu8shark]

Well I'm sure you haven't said anything we don't all feel, thought or posted at one time or another. Good night to ya - :seeya: Some days as crazy as it sounds this case gets to me. Especially frustrating no body and Cindy touting Caylee all over the U.S and Puerto Rico. Night

[One2Snoop]

bump for mu8...

An FBI agent searches items divers found while searching for body of Caylee Anthony. (11/13/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17974039/index.html

ETA - just in case you're wondering, there's no sound on this video.

[lorettalockhorn]

IIRC there was an FBI forensics guy sifting thru the stuff - its on one of the videos posted - granted he's probably not an anthropologist or pathologist but I'm sure he knows the diffence between rocks and bones - just sayin'

Interesting find today - still don't understand why LE found the need to polygraph Leonard other than to find out whether or not he was planting evidence. I find it hard to believe he'd do something like that but I don't put it past any of these derranged internet sloths I've been reading about to do something like that, in particular that azzhat that got into a shouting match today with Rob and Leonard. Disgusting. :cuss:

Hope I wasn't having one of those pesky auditory hallucinations about the bones/rocks.

Beware of Web Sloths. :hat:

Okay this should be my last post tonight. I kind of go back and forth on whether I feel bad for George because of the position he is in, but I saw a post on here saying he should man up and you know maybe they are right. While I bet his life is hell, I am also kind of tired of seeing him following Cindy around like some kind of puppy. Next thing you know he will be on there carrying her purse. I am in a mood, aren't I?:o

Lawsy I hope George doesn't hit anyone with his purse!

[One2Snoop]

Hope I wasn't having one of those pesky auditory hallucinations about the bones/rocks.

Beware of Web Sloths. :hat:



Lawsy I hope George doesn't hit anyone with his purse!

:beer: ROFLMAO!

[lorettalockhorn]

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: What I saw were very small toys in a plastic bag. And I don`t think investigators believe they have any connection whatsoever. They left them with the divers and they did not, you know, take them along with -- well, they did take the -- they were actually rocks. What they thought were bones were actually two rocks. One was smaller than the other. I saw the larger one. It was sort of diamond- shaped. They did take those as found properties, the sheriff`s office called it. But again, they were saying it had nothing to do with (INAUDIBLE)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/13/ng.01.html

[One2Snoop]

I know I should have said goodnight several hours ago but I'm really upset about what's happened today.
I for one don't give a rats azz about the war thats ensued between Leonard Padilla and Texas Equusearch, nor do I give a rats azz what Cindy says - I'm so done with it - yeah the drama can be enticing/exciting but it doesn't bring Caylee home - I know you all will agree with me on that one point.


We need to focus our attention back to Caylee and I profusely apologize for adding my 2 cents worth about the circus that occurred yesterday, today and if I do it tomorrow please be sure to put me in my place. :punch: :seeya:

[TLC]

George and Cindy on NG tonight. As far as Rob and the TES $$ -I am inclined to agree with him, he is refunding and the people can then donate themselves, effectively washing his hands of it, which I would be inclined to do as well after all this. Since the funds are there to refund it seems obvious they didn't do it for gain, it isn't that much money really either.

[Its just me]

I know I should have said goodnight several hours ago but I'm really upset about what's happened today.
I for one don't give a rats azz about the war thats ensued between Leonard Padilla and Texas Equusearch, nor do I give a rats azz what Cindy says - I'm so done with it - yeah the drama can be enticing/exciting but it doesn't bring Caylee home - I know you all will agree with me on that one point.


We need to focus our attention back to Caylee and I profusely apologize for adding my 2 cents worth about the circus that occurred yesterday, today and if I do it tomorrow please be sure to put me in my place. :punch: :seeya:

One2, no the drama being played out in the media doesn't do anything to bring Caylee home but I posted with you for 3 years on the Tara board and if it had not been for some of what I called the funnies I don't think I would have lasted 3 years. As you know the drama in Tara case was less in the media but played out on some of the boards.

I read here daily (sometimes many times a day) to keep up with what is happening because I also want Caylee found as well as Justice. All of you are doing an excellent
job posting and it's wonderful not to have to weed thru any conflicts to get the latest updates from many sources.

Keep up the good work guys and gals...this is the best place for information and I also like reading your sound opinions, humor and venting.

Just dropping by to give you all a :rose: IJM/fep

[deacon]

Sonar by the way is far from fool proof as I mentioned Laci Peterson case as a perfect example. , I am reading an interview online about the Peterson case, an old interview and if the bottom is murky and unclear, a sonar search might not necessarily find bones or remains, esp small bones. So I don't think it is quite fair of Tim to expect someone to give up because he did sonar and sonar is invincible. It is not. I would imagine this is what the diver meant on tv when he questioned how much Tim knew about sonar. I am sure he knows more than most people and could be quite expert, but to expect to say" I did the sonar she is definitely not there is not accurate." And he is giving this impression on tv. Laci was not in the Bay according to sonar done by a world renowed expert . But she still turned up there.

If the bottom is silty the object will sink into it or get covered by the silt and the sonar will not pick it up. Give me a break tim, it ain't x-rays. Sonar is great but it isn't the answer to all problems. Scraping through the mud and silt may be the only way to find something. Why do you think a lot of sunken treasure in the ocean is not found by sonar? It is covered with sand and does not show up. Anyone who would say they can find anything with a sonar underwater loses some of my respect.

[Gatordog]

Guess what you all! I just saw Princess Di, Elvis, Pope John Paul III, Paul Newman, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and John F. Kennedy and little Caylee at the Tridge park here in Midland MI!! Now this sounds utterly ridiculous and pure nonsense and this is how this case is shaping up to be!!! Now we have LP and Tim Miller getting into it on NG, fighting over whether or not to send divers into the water, wouldn't get my fat ass in there, not with the gators and it is so silty you can't see your hand, never mind a body. Now it has been determined that the bones are not bones and the toys are insignificant to the case, but LP did screw up by calling the media first, so now the police are up in arms and this whole thing has been a 22 week fiasco!! The family is just a whining to the media and of course today a new "sighting" in Coral Springs FLA and of course it turned out not be C, and ya know, instead of blowing steam out of their ass berating the police, the media, LP, TM, the many volunteers, how come their asses are not looking for the child?

All they have done is hand out fliers and buy their loser daughter's crap stories, and whine whine and whine, you serve cheese with that whine? How come their sorry butts are not in that jail, telling loser that they are done with her, and as far as they are concerned, they don't give a flying fart whether she lives or dies, they hate her guts, something! instead of blaming everyone else for their granddaughter's murder!!! WTF! And then their "spokesman" Larry Garrison just threw in the towel and they claim they fired him, I buy his version, he probably said something they did not want to hear, like come on, this child is dead and I am afraid that your daughter killed her and boom, Cindy screams at him like a fish wife and George? Who knows? Anyone get the impression that he apparently has been left out of the loop a lot? In one conversation he had with LE, he did not even have a clue that she was not working where she claimed to, he had no clue about a lot of things and apparently does not wear the pants and I betcha anytime he wanted to punish C or L, for something they did wrong, Cindy would not let him, so the dysfunction in this moronic family did not start with Caylee coming up missing, it was heir apparent from the beginning. This whole mess is unbelievable and a crime writer that I like, Lisa Gardner could not even warp her mind around these yahoos!! And on NG it was revealed that C saw coverage on TV, about the bones being found, no reaction out of her at all and if anyone in there was hoping for one, she simply went back to her cell, probably ordering up some hair spray from the commissary, not a care in the world, I betcha she probably kicked back on her bunk, laughing at all the folks trying to find her daughter, secure in the knowledge that only she knows where the body is and I wish inmates had access to her, wanna bet some tough chickie would get it out of her fast???


I love reading your posts. You don't mince words or beat around the bush. I think I would like it if they could put Casey in your custody for five minutes. This would be Casey :chicken:

[Gatordog]

I know I don't think he should be polygraphed either.He by the way has no problem taking one. What bothers me about Tim is in the Scott Peterson case they did sonar and did not find Laci, but she was in the Bay and they did all kinds of sonar in the bay to look for the anchors and did not find them. They never found them and you know those damned anchors are in there. My gripe with Tim is that he gave up so soon because Cindy was mad at him and I think he had to be convinced to resume. I also think and I am sure this may not be popular but I think part of Tim's problem I still say is ego. I am not saying Leonard does not have one but my opinion of Tim has changed a bit. What is really sad is that now no one will be looking. I think LE's refusal to get iinvolved in a search per se is this, they anticipate the defense asking them how much area they searched and if they searched. If they do an exhaustive search and find nothing,, the defense will use it against them, as in see she is not dead. So I think to LE it is better to claim there were not a lot of specific areas to look and leave it at that. All of this is just my opinion. I also do not believe that Leonard said they could be holding Caylees skull up in front of the camera for publicity. I just don't believe even if he was thinking something so outrageous he would say it.

Hi Shark, once again you are right on the money. Regarding the sonar, I quite don't understand Tim's logic. He told the ground searchers they were looking for bones as small as buttons so why does he expect a sonar to pick up a whole body in the water? He can tell where there is a tire or a barrel but if a small body had disintergrated into a mass of tiny bones, how can that be picked up?

Gator

[Gatordog]

I agree at least Leonard has thick skin. I still can't get over Tim leaving the first time because Cindy was pissed. So what? She is pissed at everyone who does not buy into the Casey is the Mom of the year story and Caylee is alive in NC, Sc, NY, Puerto Rico, Texas and all the other areas the psychics gave tips on.

Like I said, she'll have the astronuats in the space shuttle looking up there because a psychic said she's in the stars.

[Gatordog]

I totally agree she has control over him to some degree and I think he is very intimidated and does not want to anger her. Why I am not sure. Maybe she threatened to make him her second husband! That would do it. I also think it is beneath Tim Miller to get in such a pissing contest. On tv Leonard has not said nasty things about him. The idea that he told Tim Miller to search the river so he could be there with the media and hold up Caylee's skull seems absurd to me. I don't want to call him a liar but I think his emotions and his ego are getting the best of him. I just do not believe Leonard made that statement. And while I do respect what he does, I don't have the same opinion I did of him. I just went back and read some of the posts of those who were there and it was not organized very well.I absolutely do not mean this in a mean and sarcastic manner. I think Tim needs a break particulary from this case.

I believe that LP may have said to Tim Miller comments about having money coming in due to a Caylee find in the river, but that's how Tim keeps ES alive and able to help others. Without donations, there would be no ES. I don't think Padilla meant money coming into Padilla. I don't think he needs it and I believe the only gratification he wants out of his is the look on Casey's face when he tells her "Get ready for the needle".

[deacon]

Hi Shark, once again you are right on the money. Regarding the sonar, I quite don't understand Tim's logic. He told the ground searchers they were looking for bones as small as buttons so why does he expect a sonar to pick up a whole body in the water? He can tell where there is a tire or a barrel but if a small body had disintergrated into a mass of tiny bones, how can that be picked up?

Gator

He couldn't. Even if the body was still intact if sand, silt or mud have covered the sonar will not pick it up. I watched a program the other night about treasure hunting in the ocean. These ship wrecks are covered by the shifting sand. They were covered during a storm and can be uncovered by another storm causeing the sand to shift away from them. I, sadly, think that may have well happened if Caylee were dumped in the river. The storms that they had with the flooding either washed her away or covered her up. One good thing, if there is anything good, about that situation is that if she is covered up by sand it would not allow oxygen to get to the body and would slow down decomposition.

My mind travels in circles.:confused:

[Gatordog]

Sorry that I am so late in reading those posts, worked a long day, I am curious as to what his requirements were and am interested in the opinion of someone who was there. In your opinion what promises do you feel he did not live up to? Do not read this as a challenge just curious as from the outside I have similiar ideas.

I went through Blanchard Park on Saturday at 9:30 a.m. and searchers who were on their own, were searching - no sign of equusearch. At 10:30 I drove down Chickasaw Trail where the Anthony house is and there were no searchers anywhere in those woods at that time. I went down Lee Vista and still no searchers in those areas. I proceeded to the airport where the command post was, this is now about 10:50. About 30 searchers out on a big open field (I wouldn't leave a body there) and the woods were empty. The command post had hundreds of people standing around. On the way home at approximately 3:00 I didn't see any searchers, but I did not pass the airport location this time. But no where else were people searching. If I had been running the search, the maps would have been given to team leaders the night before. I would have had people sign up the night before and told at what location to report to at 8 a.m. instead of arriving at the command post at 8 a.m. on Saturday, waiting to be signed in, and then waiting for the printer to work at 10 a.m. so that the maps can be printed and then bused to the location.

[Gatordog]

I think Gator can give us a better idea of the area - although I do remember her mentioning flooding - I'm curious about this particular spot that was searched today and where it flows to on a normal basis and with the flooding, where would it spill over too? I was under the impression it was at the end of something meaning the flow of water stopped there - again I could be wrong - I know Gator or someone local who has better knowledge of the area can let us know for sure on the conditions of the area and where it flows on a normal basis.

The river is very slow flowing almost still. It overflowed its banks and did cause some flooding in an area just a little east of my home because it's lower there. Luckily, I live on the north bank which is higher but the water was encroaching further than it ever did. The river was about 12" higher than normal and was about 6 to 8 feet further on each of its banks than ususal. It's now down about 8" and the banks are only 2 feet wider than ususal. Hard to explain. The north side just east of Dean Road is still a little flooded but no one lives there.

[deputydi]

All the speculation about Padilla's polygraph is bs...LE was bent out of shape because they felt the media was called first, they said as much in their brief statement. The media was already there ~ they called their offices when the bag was found, and the troops showed up immediately. Padilla called LE and the FBI upon the discovery. As he said with a shrug " I took it ~ I'm not afraid of a polygraph".

This has become a battle of EGOS and fingerpointing. LE discounting the toys and leaving them with the divers? I know what I would say to that if God Forbid it was MY child. :no: Their judgment is being clouded by a swirl of venom and heresay.

Seems NG has taken a chill pill...I applaud how she handled Tim last night. Lenonard Padilla never once said a derogatory comment to any of those who were belittling him on national tv. His eyes, though, told the story... but he handled himself with class.

So, while Casey Anthony munches on crab and shrimp, reads her books, and takes catnaps, people are clawing at each other to answer the most important question...

WHERE IS CAYLEE??

:rose:


a thought...It is blacker than black where the divers are searching...with their hands and fairly primitive tools...sorry, but I think there is no way to really find her, if she is there, with these conditions unless they are really LUCKY. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The only consolation is that AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING.
Sadly, I agree with every word you've written. Thanks for being the voice of compassion and reason.

I questioned LPs motives in the beginning and really thought he was in this solely for the publicity. Until last night. I gained a new respect for him in the way he handled the slams thrown his way by men who should have known better. He never once said a derogatory word about Tim Miller and I was embarassed for the pettiness Tim showed.

I have almost NO hope of Caylee ever being found. When the search was on for Laci I held out hope for the entire 4 mths but circumstances were very different. There are no alligators in the San Francisco Bay and, although sonar picked up what could have been a body, if it weren't for the storm that brought her body to shore she might never have been found either.

I know finding Caylee's body would bring some comfort to all of us, but I doubt it will happen. We should all pray that she is now at peace. Plus I'm praying that LE has all they need to get a conviction for Casey.

[TOEJAM]

Sounds like folks are just doing their own search ...Who was in charge of the searching ~ TES? I ask that because Padilla is just working with Blackwater Divers (or so it seems) ... Then there is no one gathering the troops and no guidance or leaders...?:confused:

when they said last weekend that they were searching for bone fragments that may be as small as a button i had to wonder if it wouldn't have been better to cover the areas with cadaver dogs in the lead. The searchers would have had to be awfully lucky to find anything that small in all that grass and brush........

[beachbum]

The jewelery that Casey bought was a cross necklace.

Did anyone note that Padilla said there was a cross attached to a tree in that park where they searched and something to do with beads--that one of Caseys friends said she had been with Casey duing the 10 day -release at home stay and she had the same beads. That was one reason Padilla had decided to search the water by the park. Padilla has been pretty forthright with all he has said and done before. Why would he want to put a bag of fake stuff in the water regarding this case when he seems as determined as the rest of us to see Casey put away for this crime. He would surely know that testing the articles would prove fake. Is he that stupid? I dont think 15 minutes of fame compared to being discredited would be worth it to me. I dont know about Tim Miller's attitude either. He seem very frustrated. I know in the Natalie Holloway case, they searched and searched. Maybe this sonar thing is not the way to go. Not all cancers are caught on xrays and etc. Sometimes it takes an actual biopsy of the tissue. What Im trying to ask is --can sonar pick up a trash bag with bones in it or does it just pick up large objects and etc? Tim kept saying I can tell you where a tire is and other items in the water at that park and etc. Those are large objects. Caylee's body was tiny.

[deacon]

Did anyone note that Padilla said there was a cross attached to a tree in that park where they searched and something to do with beads--that one of Caseys friends said she had been with Casey duing the 10 day -release at home stay and she had the same beads. That was one reason Padilla had decided to search the water by the park. Padilla has been pretty forthright with all he has said and done before. Why would he want to put a bag of fake stuff in the water regarding this case when he seems as determined as the rest of us to see Casey put away for this crime. He would surely know that testing the articles would prove fake. Is he that stupid? I dont think 15 minutes of fame compared to being discredited would be worth it to me. I dont know about Tim Miller's attitude either. He seem very frustrated. I know in the Natalie Holloway case, they searched and searched. Maybe this sonar thing is not the way to go. Not all cancers are caught on xrays and etc. Sometimes it takes an actual biopsy of the tissue. What Im trying to ask is --can sonar pick up a trash bag with bones in it or does it just pick up large objects and etc? Tim kept saying I can tell you where a tire is and other items in the water at that park and etc. Those are large objects. Caylee's body was tiny.

What gets me is that I can come up with no reason to put child's toys in a plastic bag and weight them down with bricks (that is what was said to be in the bag) and throw them in a river. That escapes me. There is absolutely no reason to do that if there were not a child's body in the bag.

Am I crazy? (please don't answer that:biggrin:)

[deacon]

Did anyone note that Padilla said there was a cross attached to a tree in that park where they searched and something to do with beads--that one of Caseys friends said she had been with Casey duing the 10 day -release at home stay and she had the same beads. That was one reason Padilla had decided to search the water by the park. Padilla has been pretty forthright with all he has said and done before. Why would he want to put a bag of fake stuff in the water regarding this case when he seems as determined as the rest of us to see Casey put away for this crime. He would surely know that testing the articles would prove fake. Is he that stupid? I dont think 15 minutes of fame compared to being discredited would be worth it to me. I dont know about Tim Miller's attitude either. He seem very frustrated. I know in the Natalie Holloway case, they searched and searched. Maybe this sonar thing is not the way to go. Not all cancers are caught on xrays and etc. Sometimes it takes an actual biopsy of the tissue. What Im trying to ask is --can sonar pick up a trash bag with bones in it or does it just pick up large objects and etc? Tim kept saying I can tell you where a tire is and other items in the water at that park and etc. Those are large objects. Caylee's body was tiny.


The sonar will pick up a bag IF it is above the surface of the silt and mud at the bottom. I have used what is called a "fish finder" that works off of a sonar. Doesn't find fish as much as it shows you irreglarities on the bottom of the lake or river. If the trash bag is on the bottom and isn't covered over it will show up. The divers were hunting under the silt and mud and that is where they found the bag.

A sonar works off of sound waves. That is why some people do not like the Navy using their sonar close to whales. They say the sound waves disturb the whales. It is a high frequency sound that you would not hear. It travels a great distance underwater and that is why it is used. With the right equipment, it will give you tremendous "pictures" of what the bottom looks like and any objects are underwater. It is a great tool in murky water but it isn't the answer to every situation. Objects must be out from under the sand, silt and mud to be seen.

Hope that helped. I know they don't help me catch fish but it isn't the sonar's fault. I just ain't a great fisherman.

[beachbum]

The sonar will pick up a bag IF it is above the surface of the silt and mud at the bottom. I have used what is called a "fish finder" that works off of a sonar. Doesn't find fish as much as it shows you irreglarities on the bottom of the lake or river. If the trash bag is on the bottom and isn't covered over it will show up. The divers were hunting under the silt and mud and that is where they found the bag.

A sonar works off of sound waves. That is why some people do not like the Navy using their sonar close to whales. They say the sound waves disturb the whales. It is a high frequency sound that you would not hear. It travels a great distance underwater and that is why it is used. With the right equipment, it will give you tremendous "pictures" of what the bottom looks like and any objects are underwater. It is a great tool in murky water but it isn't the answer to every situation. Objects must be out from under the sand, silt and mud to be seen.

Hope that helped. I know they don't help me catch fish but it isn't the sonar's fault. I just ain't a great fisherman.

Thanks for the info. Lets say the decomposing body has been in the bag since July-and probably not in very good condition due to the fact she was liquifying in Casey's car, there have been numerous storms and a couple hurricanes pass that area. I would say the bag and what is left could be under sand and silt. I think they have had no luck with sonar so lets start with another approach. What is wrong with Padilla having his own divers. The diver seemed legitimate. If they are willing to do it without requesting any $$$ let them do it. Equasearch is a good thing but they always have some type of complaint of why they cant search. I can understand in storms and etc but it always seems like they are waiting to search again. Seems like wasted time. I cant imagine why people want to mess around in cases like this with planting the dress by the airport or throwing a bag of toys in the water. If caught they should be prosecuted!

[TLC]

Did anyone note that Padilla said there was a cross attached to a tree in that park where they searched and something to do with beads--that one of Caseys friends said she had been with Casey duing the 10 day -release at home stay and she had the same beads. That was one reason Padilla had decided to search the water by the park. Padilla has been pretty forthright with all he has said and done before. Why would he want to put a bag of fake stuff in the water regarding this case when he seems as determined as the rest of us to see Casey put away for this crime. He would surely know that testing the articles would prove fake. Is he that stupid? I dont think 15 minutes of fame compared to being discredited would be worth it to me. I dont know about Tim Miller's attitude either. He seem very frustrated. I know in the Natalie Holloway case, they searched and searched. Maybe this sonar thing is not the way to go. Not all cancers are caught on xrays and etc. Sometimes it takes an actual biopsy of the tissue. What Im trying to ask is --can sonar pick up a trash bag with bones in it or does it just pick up large objects and etc? Tim kept saying I can tell you where a tire is and other items in the water at that park and etc. Those are large objects. Caylee's body was tiny.


it was one of LP's people who said it I believe, he stationed a woman in the home with her.

[TLC]

The dive - LP

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murt-on-the-road

[deacon]

Thanks for the info. Lets say the decomposing body has been in the bag since July-and probably not in very good condition due to the fact she was liquifying in Casey's car, there have been numerous storms and a couple hurricanes pass that area. I would say the bag and what is left could be under sand and silt. I think they have had no luck with sonar so lets start with another approach. What is wrong with Padilla having his own divers. The diver seemed legitimate. If they are willing to do it without requesting any $$$ let them do it. Equasearch is a good thing but they always have some type of complaint of why they cant search. I can understand in storms and etc but it always seems like they are waiting to search again. Seems like wasted time. I cant imagine why people want to mess around in cases like this with planting the dress by the airport or throwing a bag of toys in the water. If caught they should be prosecuted!


ITA. I am just afraid that the body, if it was there, has washed way down stream. Places where they are not looking. Gee, I am just a safety professional not a searcher and I can figure that out. They know as well as I do that those storms probably washed anything down stream. I have read about the river flowing slowly but that is in normal times. During flood stages it would flow more swiftly and with much greater power.

[Gatordog]

Read or saw a video today (was it the drunk yahoo?) that stated that the Little Econ flows to the Big Econ (there is a dam somewhere) and into another river.

Flows into the St. Johns River which goes through Jacksonville and then South Georgia.

[One2Snoop]

Looks as though Baez is getting his first whiff of the car - wonder what he'll think once he's done examining it?

Casey's Attorney Inspecting Her Car At Sheriff's Office
Friday, November 14, 2008 – updated: 1:14 pm EST November 14, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The Orange County Sheriff's Office is allowing Casey Anthony's attorney access Friday to her Pontiac Sunfire, the car investigators believe Caylee was inside and dead.

According to Jim Solomons with the sheriff's office, Jose Baez was at the sheriff's office Central Complex late Friday morning to meet with investigators and then examine the vehicle. The vehicle examination is not expected to begin until 3:00pm.

Baez had asked weeks ago to have access to the car for an inspection. He brought his own team of experts to the sheriff's office Friday.

Among the experts Baez is working with is Dr. Henry Lee, a nationally-known and self-proclaimed "legendary" forensic investigator. According to his website, Lee has "solved a murder without a body" and "assisted in the investigations of more than 6,000 cases, including war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia, the suicide of President Clinton's former White House attorney, Vince Foster, review of the JFK assassination, and the death of JonBennet Ramsey."

Baez had wanted to inspect the undercarriage of the car, the carpet that was in trunk and held a stain, the spare tire well, and tire cover, but they were removed to be tested by the FBI and are no longer in the car.

Eyewitness News has also learned that the car still smells of decomposition.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17980507/detail.html

[Justice Denied?]

Well then Nancy is being creative because she states he told her something different off the air.We do have a difference of opinion about why he left. I am sure the conditions were part of it but I also and of course this is still my opinion feel he is intimidated by Cindy Anthony. Actually I read that Beary convinced Tim to come back. And I agree the conditions were not that good. I am afraid if the bones are few and far between and small, they will not find them in a body of water with any equipment or any dive.

ITA. And if she is buried, as seems probable considering the shovel, those little bones will be impossible to find without a cadaver dog. I am afraid she will never be found.

[Gatordog]

Padilla did an interview (looks like last night) and was asked who he called first.
He called the FBI. Understandably the LE was bent out of shape over that, saying they were being taken away from 'credible' policing' just to go there anyway. (OH REALLY??)
The channel 2 news reporter checked Padilla's cell, the # was the FBI, she even dialed the number to be certain, and spoke to the FBI.

Don't believe the hype. What a circus.

Thanks Old Soul. I didn't think he would call the media because they've been there at the park watching him. He's too sure of himself to even dignify the accusations with his proof of whom he called first. The Anthony's and their crew are turning this into a circus in order to get Padilla to stop searching.

[applesandorange]

I'm just glad to know LP didn't give up on searching.

[One2Snoop]

Caylee Search Continues / Padilla Defends Himself

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=PADILLAPHONER_111320080350&cat=Local&title=Padilla%20Talks%20To%20News%2013

[Gatordog]

No you are not :hat: I kept holding out hope that it was Caylee. Maybe it was some nutbar who knows what Padilla is doing there and thought it would be really funny. The nuts seem to come out of the woodwork with these things. Thats the only thing i can come up with. Remember the dress? Me thinks maybe some folks have way too much time on their hands. MOO:rose:

I don't think it was a plant. According to the diver, the bag was torn, and it was covered with silt and had silt in the bag. That would not happen in a few days time. He said it appeared to have been down there a while.

[Justice Denied?]

Some days as crazy as it sounds this case gets to me. Especially frustrating no body and Cindy touting Caylee all over the U.S and Puerto Rico. Night

have a question. Has anyone ever given a reason WHY Caylee was kidnapped? to my was of thinking, there are three reasons why someone would take a child. (1) They want ransom money. (2) They want a child for themselves. (3) a sexual predator takes a child for pleasure.

Now we know

Caylee wasn't kidnapped for ransom, so what is the reason? Does Zanaida still have her or did she hand her off to a childless couple or a pervert?

[Gatordog]

Updates from yesterday's local news.

Cindy stated on camera that the homemade cross with beads that was found in Blanchard Park was placed there by the family of the murdered jogger. The jogger was murdered about 1.5 miles away on the Econ Trail Path not JB Park path. Why in heaven's name would the family put a homemade cross there? I think they would have mentioned it by now since it's been all over the news.

Cindy and George are having a "Meet and Greet" at their KidFinders tent on Goldenrod Road. I think it's on Monday. I told my mother I'll bring the bat, you bring the frying pan, I'll greet and you meet! They want to just say hello to the public and talk about missing chilldren and give out flyers. I am sick of these flyers.

In jail, the guards noticed Casey was watching the search on TV and told her to go back to her cell. It wasn't like she just got up and left on her own, she was forced to leave.

Looks like Cindy had a bruise on her nose yesterday. Maybe George did hit her with the purse. :D

[Justice Denied?]

I believe that LP may have said to Tim Miller comments about having money coming in due to a Caylee find in the river, but that's how Tim keeps ES alive and able to help others. Without donations, there would be no ES. I don't think Padilla meant money coming into Padilla. I don't think he needs it and I believe the only gratification he wants out of his is the look on Casey's face when he tells her "Get ready for the needle".

When Casey threw LP out of the Anthony house, LP told Casey he would find Caylee with or without her help. I think he just wants to make a believer out of her.

[applesandorange]

Caylee Search Continues / Padilla Defends Himself

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=PADILLAPHONER_111320080350&cat=Local&title=Padilla%20Talks%20To%20News%2013


Do you know when this interview happened? I'm wondering because LP is talking about calling LE and the FBI in about stuff the divers had found. He then gets called away by LE and has to leave the interview. I am wondering if this is today or yesterday. Also has anyone heard about anything being found today?

[One2Snoop]

Updates from yesterday's local news.

Cindy stated on camera that the homemade cross with beads that was found in Blanchard Park was placed there by the family of the murdered jogger. The jogger was murdered about 1.5 miles away on the Econ Trail Path not JB Park path. Why in heaven's name would the family put a homemade cross there? I think they would have mentioned it by now since it's been all over the news.

Cindy and George are having a "Meet and Greet" at their KidFinders tent on Goldenrod Road. I think it's on Monday. I told my mother I'll bring the bat, you bring the frying pan, I'll greet and you meet! They want to just say hello to the public and talk about missing chilldren and give out flyers. I am sick of these flyers.

In jail, the guards noticed Casey was watching the search on TV and told her to go back to her cell. It wasn't like she just got up and left on her own, she was forced to leave.

Looks like Cindy had a bruise on her nose yesterday. Maybe George did hit her with the purse. :D

LOL We could only hope - I read yesterday its just a discoloration and has always been there.

Interesting on Casey watching the search. Hmmmmm http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0006.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net)

[One2Snoop]

Do you know when this interview happened? I'm wondering because LP is talking about calling LE and the FBI in about stuff the divers had found. He then gets called away by LE and has to leave the interview. I am wondering if this is today or yesterday. Also has anyone heard about anything being found today?

Ooops - Sounds like it was from yesterday.

[applesandorange]

Ooops - Sounds like it was from yesterday.

I'm wondering though because it did say day 2. Hmmm...

[One2Snoop]

I'm wondering though because it did say day 2. Hmmm...

I thought I heard they were counting today as day 3 - didn't they search Tuesday also?

[One2Snoop]

Cell Phone 'Dead Zones' May Hinder Investigation In Anthony Case
Woman's Daughter, Caylee, Last Seen In June

POSTED: 8:27 am EST November 14, 2008
UPDATED: 11:33 am EST November 14, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A Local 6 News report about Casey Anthony, the woman who has been charged with murdering her missing daughter, Caylee, shows that "dead zones" on her cell phone may hurt the investigation into the case.

Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in the disappearance of 3-year-old Caylee, who was last seen on June 16 but was not reported missing until a month later.

Local 6 News investigative reporter Tony Pipitone analyzed hundreds of text messages and phone calls placed and received by Anthony in the two weeks after Caylee disappeared and used a database program to determine how much time passed between each ping.

There were 24 times when three or more hours passed with Anthony's phone remaining silent, Pipitone reported.

"And when you account for sleep and periods where she appeared to stay in the same place, we are left with three gaps -- or dead zones -- that raise some questions," Pipitone said.

The first "dead zone" was June 17 from 5:23 p.m. to 8:23 p.m. Anthony's phone pinged a tower close to her boyfriend's apartment near the University of Central Florida and then twice pinged a tower near Blanchard Park before going silent. The park was searched but nothing was found. In the time it took Anthony's phone to ping another tower -- three hours later -- she could have traveled as far away as Palm Bay or Ormond Beach and returned to Orange County.

June 17 was a day after Caylee was seen alive by her grandfather, George Anthony, who said his daughter and Caylee left his home at about 12:50 p.m. the day before.

Scientific evidence suggests that human remains that decomposed in the trunk of Anthony's car was there for up to 2½ days after death, Pipitone said. That would mean if Caylee died on June 16, investigators may want to focus more on June 18 into June 19, which contained two dead zones on her cell phone, he reported.

On June 18, Anthony's phone went silent at 6:57 p.m. and did not ping another tower until 8:32 a.m. June 19. In both cases, her phone pinged a tower near her boyfriend's apartment. Her whereabouts during that time is not known.

On June 19, Anthony's phone pinged near her boyfriend's apartment at 4:54 p.m., then her movements head south and east, according to cell phone pings, Pipitone said. "Heading east and hitting (a) cell tower on Lake Underhill Road ... but from here, her cell phone goes dead for three hours and 17 minutes. Where could she have gone in that time?" Pipitone said.

The last ping from the Lake Underhill tower was at 5:45 p.m., and the phone then went silent until a ping near her boyfriend's apartment. She then called her parents' home at 9:13 p.m., and there's no indication where Anthony was during the time frame.

"If this is the time Casey may have disposed of the body in her car trunk, there's no indication where Caylee may be either," Pipitone said.

http://www.local6.com/news/17979179/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

I'm wondering though because it did say day 2. Hmmm...

I thought I heard they were counting today as day 3 - didn't they search Tuesday also?

It was Monday they searched - Tuesday was the prayer vigil so that would be right - yesterday was day 2.

[applesandorange]

Okay. I didn't think about Monday as being day 1. Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

[One2Snoop]

have a question. Has anyone ever given a reason WHY Caylee was kidnapped? to my was of thinking, there are three reasons why someone would take a child. (1) They want ransom money. (2) They want a child for themselves. (3) a sexual predator takes a child for pleasure.

Now we know

Caylee wasn't kidnapped for ransom, so what is the reason? Does Zanaida still have her or did she hand her off to a childless couple or a pervert?




I don't recall hearing any reasons why someone would take Caylee. Since there is no "Zanaida the babysitter" it had to be Casey who handed her off to someone or dumped her in the lake. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

I wonder what ever came of the Caylee sighting yesterday in Coral Springs? :shrug: I'm guessing since we haven't heard anything it was another dead end.

[applesandorange]

I wonder what ever came of the Caylee sighting yesterday in Coral Springs? :shrug: I'm guessing since we haven't heard anything it was another dead end.


On NG last night it was said that it was checked out by LE and the little girl was not Caylee. I'm thinking it was NG anyway. Could be wrong on that but I did see it somewhere. I know I didn't read it so I'm thinking NG.

[One2Snoop]

On NG last night it was said that it was checked out by LE and the little girl was not Caylee. I'm thinking it was NG anyway. Could be wrong on that but I did see it somewhere. I know I didn't read it so I'm thinking NG.

I think you're right on that.

[One2Snoop]

I can't believe Baez hired Henwee Wee (Henry Lee) - I thought he had zero crediability these days because of some major booboo's he made in some past cases?

snip
Among the experts Baez is working with is Dr. Henry Lee, a nationally-known and self-proclaimed "legendary" forensic investigator. According to his website, Lee has "solved a murder without a body" and "assisted in the investigations of more than 6,000 cases, including war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia, the suicide of President Clinton's former White House attorney, Vince Foster, review of the JFK assassination, and the death of JonBennet Ramsey."

Baez had wanted to inspect the undercarriage of the car, the carpet that was in trunk and held a stain, the spare tire well, and tire cover, but they were removed to be tested by the FBI and are no longer in the car.

Eyewitness News has also learned that the car still smells of decomposition.
http://www.wftv.com/news/17980507/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

On NG last night it was said that it was checked out by LE and the little girl was not Caylee. I'm thinking it was NG anyway. Could be wrong on that but I did see it somewhere. I know I didn't read it so I'm thinking NG.

From last nights transcript....

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. First, back out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. What can you tell me about an alleged sighting of Caylee? I want to hear about that.

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: That came from Cindy Anthony today when she was being questioned about this bag that was found. The whole time she maintained that Caylee is as still alive saying she even knows of a sighting that happened down in South Florida, Coral Springs area, and she said she was spotted with a middle-aged man at a McDonald`s down there.

GRACE: And what happened? Was it investigated?

PETRIMOULX: I`m not sure. She`s basically saying that -- I think if it was investigated it would have to have been her own private investigators. I don`t if it was something that the sheriff`s office did, though.

GRACE: You`re seeing a photo taken of an alleged sighting of Caylee. Take a look. This turned out not to be Caylee. There she is. Let`s remove the chyrons at the bottom of the screen so we can see the full photo of the sighting. There you go. That`s the sighting. One of the sightings. There have been several, Nashville, Tennessee, Georgia, Orlando, Daytona Florida, two sightings there, Coral Springs, the most recent.

To Nikki Pierce, do we know whether this sighting of little Caylee with a man at McDonald`s was investigated by police?

PIERCE: It was investigated by police and they found it to not be a credible tip. They found that it was not indeed Caylee.

[beachbum]

From last nights transcript....

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. First, back out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. What can you tell me about an alleged sighting of Caylee? I want to hear about that.

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: That came from Cindy Anthony today when she was being questioned about this bag that was found. The whole time she maintained that Caylee is as still alive saying she even knows of a sighting that happened down in South Florida, Coral Springs area, and she said she was spotted with a middle-aged man at a McDonald`s down there.

GRACE: And what happened? Was it investigated?

PETRIMOULX: I`m not sure. She`s basically saying that -- I think if it was investigated it would have to have been her own private investigators. I don`t if it was something that the sheriff`s office did, though.

GRACE: You`re seeing a photo taken of an alleged sighting of Caylee. Take a look. This turned out not to be Caylee. There she is. Let`s remove the chyrons at the bottom of the screen so we can see the full photo of the sighting. There you go. That`s the sighting. One of the sightings. There have been several, Nashville, Tennessee, Georgia, Orlando, Daytona Florida, two sightings there, Coral Springs, the most recent.

To Nikki Pierce, do we know whether this sighting of little Caylee with a man at McDonald`s was investigated by police?

PIERCE: It was investigated by police and they found it to not be a credible tip. They found that it was not indeed Caylee.

There are alot of 3 year old brunette girls out there and even some boys with long hair that look like Caylee but people-she has not been kidnapped. Pedilla was talking about the reason Casey kept bringing up that park--he felt then she could say oh well thats where I left her with Zanny Nanny and she must have put her there-if that was where they found her boyd. They should make Casey listen to her lies over and over again on loud speaker until she breaks about where Caylee is or what she did to her. All those nasty little cell phone calls she made lying about Caylee. So guys where is Lee? He has really dropped out of the picture.

[applesandorange]

From last nights transcript....

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. First, back out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. What can you tell me about an alleged sighting of Caylee? I want to hear about that.

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: That came from Cindy Anthony today when she was being questioned about this bag that was found. The whole time she maintained that Caylee is as still alive saying she even knows of a sighting that happened down in South Florida, Coral Springs area, and she said she was spotted with a middle-aged man at a McDonald`s down there.

GRACE: And what happened? Was it investigated?

PETRIMOULX: I`m not sure. She`s basically saying that -- I think if it was investigated it would have to have been her own private investigators. I don`t if it was something that the sheriff`s office did, though.

GRACE: You`re seeing a photo taken of an alleged sighting of Caylee. Take a look. This turned out not to be Caylee. There she is. Let`s remove the chyrons at the bottom of the screen so we can see the full photo of the sighting. There you go. That`s the sighting. One of the sightings. There have been several, Nashville, Tennessee, Georgia, Orlando, Daytona Florida, two sightings there, Coral Springs, the most recent.

To Nikki Pierce, do we know whether this sighting of little Caylee with a man at McDonald`s was investigated by police?

PIERCE: It was investigated by police and they found it to not be a credible tip. They found that it was not indeed Caylee.


That's what I thought but I wasn't sure. So much going on these days....

[lorettalockhorn]

Yesterday, I reported on the circus surrounding the case of Casey Anthony and her missing two-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony. Since I arrived in Orlando, Florida, last week, I have seen both positive and negative coverage surrounding this entire ordeal. What I have not seen is anything about the people who have volunteered their time for the search effort...

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/the-stories-beh.html

I know I should have said goodnight several hours ago but I'm really upset about what's happened today.
I for one don't give a rats azz about the war thats ensued between Leonard Padilla and Texas Equusearch, nor do I give a rats azz what Cindy says - I'm so done with it - yeah the drama can be enticing/exciting but it doesn't bring Caylee home - I know you all will agree with me on that one point.


We need to focus our attention back to Caylee and I profusely apologize for adding my 2 cents worth about the circus that occurred yesterday, today and if I do it tomorrow please be sure to put me in my place. :punch: :seeya:

Great post. It's hard not to feel emotionally involved here. Who hasn't prayed for Caylee's soul, and the searchers; ALL of them to be safe and be successful? If the shear force of willpower could bring her back dead or alive, we would at least know where she is.

[lorettalockhorn]

All the speculation about Padilla's polygraph is bs...LE was bent out of shape because they felt the media was called first, they said as much in their brief statement. The media was already there ~ they called their offices when the bag was found, and the troops showed up immediately. Padilla called LE and the FBI upon the discovery. As he said with a shrug " I took it ~ I'm not afraid of a polygraph".

This has become a battle of EGOS and fingerpointing. LE discounting the toys and leaving them with the divers? I know what I would say to that if God Forbid it was MY child. :no: Their judgment is being clouded by a swirl of venom and heresay.

Seems NG has taken a chill pill...I applaud how she handled Tim last night. Lenonard Padilla never once said a derogatory comment to any of those who were belittling him on national tv. His eyes, though, told the story... but he handled himself with class.

So, while Casey Anthony munches on crab and shrimp, reads her books, and takes catnaps, people are clawing at each other to answer the most important question...

WHERE IS CAYLEE??

:rose:


a thought...It is blacker than black where the divers are searching...with their hands and fairly primitive tools...sorry, but I think there is no way to really find her, if she is there, with these conditions unless they are really LUCKY. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The only consolation is that AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING.

Amen and amen.

[Justice Denied?]

All the speculation about Padilla's polygraph is bs...LE was bent out of shape because they felt the media was called first, they said as much in their brief statement. The media was already there ~ they called their offices when the bag was found, and the troops showed up immediately. Padilla called LE and the FBI upon the discovery. As he said with a shrug " I took it ~ I'm not afraid of a polygraph".

This has become a battle of EGOS and fingerpointing. LE discounting the toys and leaving them with the divers? I know what I would say to that if God Forbid it was MY child. :no: Their judgment is being clouded by a swirl of venom and heresay.

Seems NG has taken a chill pill...I applaud how she handled Tim last night. Lenonard Padilla never once said a derogatory comment to any of those who were belittling him on national tv. His eyes, though, told the story... but he handled himself with class.

So, while Casey Anthony munches on crab and shrimp, reads her books, and takes catnaps, people are clawing at each other to answer the most important question...

WHERE IS CAYLEE??

:rose:


a thought...It is blacker than black where the divers are searching...with their hands and fairly primitive tools...sorry, but I think there is no way to really find her, if she is there, with these conditions unless they are really LUCKY. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The only consolation is that AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING.

The bad thing is we cannot be sure there is a needle in the haystack.

[lorettalockhorn]

I don't recall hearing any reasons why someone would take Caylee. Since there is no "Zanaida the babysitter" it had to be Casey who handed her off to someone or dumped her in the lake. :shrug:

This mean old board won't let me reply to Justice Denied. :cuss:

Anyway, to hear Cindy tell it, Caylee was taken to be a shopping or McDonald's companion. :rolleyes: Does she really, really believe that the kidnapper would show up in public with one of the world's most recognizable children?

[One2Snoop]

If Caylee is alive, given away or kidnapped why wouldn't Casey Anthony tell the story and get her self out of jail? I can't think further than that question. So, the child is obviously dead. It's as clear as glass. :shrug:


Welcome Danagher - I also believe Caylee is dead :(

[lorettalockhorn]

If Caylee is alive, given away or kidnapped why wouldn't Casey Anthony tell the story and get her self out of jail? I can't think further than that question. So, the child is obviously dead. It's as clear as glass. :shrug:

Hey Danagher :seeya: The kidnappers will kill Caylee if she blabs; she's staying quiet to protect her. (Meanwhile, they're taking her shopping and to McDonald's.) Guess that says a lot about her faith in LE. Must make her Daddy proud.

[Justice Denied?]

I don't recall hearing any reasons why someone would take Caylee. Since there is no "Zanaida the babysitter" it had to be Casey who handed her off to someone or dumped her in the lake. :shrug:

I agree there is no Zanida. But doesn't it seem strange the no one ever asked Casey or Cindy WHY Caylee was taken.

And how many kidnappers hang onto a kid for 5 months?

And how many kidnappers would still be in the state taking the hostage to McDonalds?

It is time to get real here.

[Justice Denied?]

This mean old board won't let me reply to Justice Denied. :cuss:

Anyway, to hear Cindy tell it, Caylee was taken to be a shopping or McDonald's companion. :rolleyes: Does she really, really believe that the kidnapper would show up in public with one of the world's most recognizable children?

Loretta,

My point exactly! There was no known reason for Caylee to be kidnapped.
And supposedly by a woman who had been watching her for some time. Why was Casey supposed to follow a script for only 30 days. If she does what she's told, when will she get Caylee back?

I need something to make sense. Why can't Casey just admit what she did?

[One2Snoop]

WTH? :eek:


Casey's Attorney Files Counter-Claims Against Zenaida Gonzalez
Friday, November 14, 2008 – updated: 5:00 pm EST November 14, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- It's proof that anybody can sue anybody, even Casey Anthony. Eyewitness News uncovered a lawsuit filed by Casey Anthony against a woman she's never met.

The woman's name is Zenaida Gonzalez. She got caught up in the whole saga simply because she has the same name as the so-called babysitter who Casey claimed took her daughter Caylee.


Casey Anthony's attorneys have filed a counter-claim (read document- link below) seeking money from Zenaida Gonzalez, calling Zenaida's lawsuit an attempt to cash in on a high profile case.

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales is the name of the mystery baby sitter Casey Anthony says took her daughter Caylee. In September, Eyewitness News broke the story that a Zenaida Fernandez- Gonzalez from Osceola County and her high-profile attorney, John Morgan, were suing Casey Anthony for defamation and infliction of emotional distress.

"Zenaida's world has been turned upside down. She is in hiding. The mention of her name is red-flagged everywhere," Morgan said.

Eyewitness News found out Friday that Casey Anthony's lawyer has filed a counter claim calling Zenaida's "a frivolous lawsuit which was filed for no other reason but to harass and embarrass" Casey Anthony.

It also calls it an "attempt to cash in on a high-profile media case" and contends John Morgan's firm did it to "generate publicity for their law firm."

The counter complaint goes on to claim Casey Anthony made truthful statements to investigators about a separate Zenaida Gonzalez and the woman suing her is not the mystery babysitter.

Now, Casey Anthony is seeking damages in excess of $15,000 and to recoup court fees and attorney fees.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17983289/detail.html

Document
http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Padilla: Casey Told Him Caylee Was Handed Off At Park
Friday, November 14, 2008 – updated: 6:04 pm EST November 14, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Leonard Padilla had his paid scuba divers back in the water searching for Caylee Anthony's body Friday. A day earlier, Padilla's team set off a huge false alarm when they claimed they found bones in the Little Econ River (see map). It was so bad, the Orange County Sheriff's Office still wants Padilla to take a lie detector test.

Eyewitness News spoke at length with Padilla on Friday (watch full interview) and said, despite Thursday's drama and the fact that they found nothing Friday, he is more convinced than ever that Casey dumped Caylee's body in the river at Blanchard Park.

As gators circled below and vultures soared above, volunteering Blackwater Divers spent another day in water bounty hunter Leonard Padilla insists is Caylee's current resting place

"The day after we got [Casey] out, she sits down and she's talking to me and says, 'I went to Blanchard Park and Zenaida and her sister Samantha were there and they took the baby away from me,'" Padilla told Eyewitness News on Friday. "In the reports, she mentions Blanchard Park eight times."

Plenty of the curious were camping out at Blanchard Park, which has turned into the new Hopespring Drive, where the Anthony family lives.

A hodgepodge of postal packing tape, leftover crime scene tape and ski rope marked the makeshift staging area Friday where Thursday divers handed detectives a dud of a lead. Now they want Padilla to take a polygraph.

"What do they want to ask you? Did you set up some evidence in the middle of the water so you could go out there and have all the cameras in America focused on you? Do you think they think you did that?" WFTV reporter Steve Barrett asked Padilla.

"That's what I think, yeah," he replied.

FBI agent are supposed to contact Padilla to schedule the test and Friday wondered out loud about why others in the case declined lie detectors.

"It would have been great if Casey, Lee, Cindy and George would have taken a lie detector test," he said (watch full interview).

Also Friday, Padilla dropped a whole new theory involving the Anthony family pool. He believes, after Caylee die from a chloroform overdose, Casey put her body in the swimming pool to test the buoyancy of her body and then used the neighbors shovel to fish Caylee out of the pool before putting her inside a garbage bag.

Late Friday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned Padilla has been kicked out of Blanchard Park. Park officials banned him from returning to search this weekend.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17982607/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

I swear, I think I'll send Zenaida some cash. She's got kids and lost her job because of Can't Understand Normal Thinking Anthony.

[Twinners]

^^ OMG. I can't believe she'd even think of suing her. I mean seriously, can a woman who lies as well as Casey does really be that stupid?!

[One2Snoop]

Background info on Henry Lee....

Judge in Spector trial rules defense expert Dr. Henry Lee hid or destroyed evidence
May 27, 2007

http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/052307_ctv.html

[lorettalockhorn]

OMG LMAOROTF LORETTA...YOU DID NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HolY Canoli ~ you sure you aren't my friend Donna????!!!! ;)

Help, someone please pick me up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just realized I made it sound like she has kids because of CA. :eek: Um y'all do know what I meant. Right?

Not Donna, but I bet I like her too!

[applesandorange]

Wasn't George and Cindy supposed to be on NG tonight? Last night it was across the top of the screen that "The Anthony's Break Their Silence Friday on Nancy Grace." So what's going on? Did they :chicken:

[One2Snoop]

Wasn't George and Cindy supposed to be on NG tonight? Last night it was across the top of the screen that "The Anthony's Break Their Silence Friday on Nancy Grace." So what's going on? Did they :chicken:

I've only seen info saying they cancelled but no reason given - still looking...

[applesandorange]

I've only seen info saying they cancelled but no reason given - still looking...


I can't say I'm surprised that they cancelled. I also can't say I'm too disappointed. All we would have heard was Cindy lying and making excuses and saying how great Casey is anyway. IMO we didn't miss out on anything.

[deputydi]

Does anyone know if Cindy and George have visited Casey in jail yet? I thought it was beyond strange that they never went to visit their "innocent" daughter after she was taken into custody this last time. They did visit her when she had been arrested on the fraud charges but when the charges got more serious she gets no support from mom and dad?

For me, no matter what they say publicly, this convinces me that they know what their daughter did and just can't look at her lying, deceitful, murderous face. I don't think they have even spoken to her via phone.

[minga]

Is it just me or did Tim Miller sound like he was crying or quietly sobbing?

[applesandorange]

Does anyone know if Cindy and George have visited Casey in jail yet? I thought it was beyond strange that they never went to visit their "innocent" daughter after she was taken into custody this last time. They did visit her when she had been arrested on the fraud charges but when the charges got more serious she gets no support from mom and dad?

For me, no matter what they say publicly, this convinces me that they know what their daughter did and just can't look at her lying, deceitful, murderous face. I don't think they have even spoken to her via phone.

The reason Cindy has given for not visiting Casey this time is that Casey wants all attention on Caylee and not her. That is IF you believe what Cindy says.

[applesandorange]

Is it just me or did Tim Miller sound like he was crying or quietly sobbing?


I definitely think he was crying. I think he realizes the way everyone has been acting and I think he feels bad for it. He knows this should always be about Caylee and he realizes that many of them have not been focussing on Caylee like they should have been. MOO

[deputydi]

The reason Cindy has given for not visiting Casey this time is that Casey wants all attention on Caylee and not her. That is IF you believe what Cindy says.

Oh Puhleeze -- that doesn't even make sense. The focus IS on Caylee and no thanks to her self-absorbed mother this search has gone on way too long. All Casey had to do (IF she was truly concerned that Caylee be found) is COOPERATE WITH LE and stop telling one lie after another.

[mu8shark]

Wasn't George and Cindy supposed to be on NG tonight? Last night it was across the top of the screen that "The Anthony's Break Their Silence Friday on Nancy Grace." So what's going on? Did they :chicken: Well, you know if Nancy said one single thing that goes against Ms Cindy's toe the line, Casey is innocent, Caylee is alive theory she probably backed out. Also Cindy is pretty mad at Leonard and I have a feeling Nancy does not want to let her get on there and bash away. Nancy may want to talk about the evidence and can you blame Cindy for backing out on that score? Just my opinion, but I wondered what happened as well.

[applesandorange]

Oh Puhleeze -- that doesn't even make sense. The focus IS on Caylee and no thanks to her self-absorbed mother this search has gone on way too long. All Casey had to do (IF she was truly concerned that Caylee be found) is COOPERATE WITH LE and stop telling one lie after another.


ITA!! I think what REALLY happened was Jose Baez has told the Anthony's no visits because of them being recorded. I think he was also tired of Cindy talking so much. This way nobody for Casey to talk to except him and he for sure won't spill anything to the media. JMO

[lorettalockhorn]

Is it just me or did Tim Miller sound like he was crying or quietly sobbing?

Sure sounded like his voice was cracking didn't it? This case is so emotionally charged, it's hard not to be labile sitting all the way over here in BFE. I can only imagine how it feels to be right there and so invested.

[mu8shark]

I definitely think he was crying. I think he realizes the way everyone has been acting and I think he feels bad for it. He knows this should always be about Caylee and he realizes that many of them have not been focussing on Caylee like they should have been. MOO
He sounded like he was crying. I have been critical of Tim Miller and already pounded the drum on that so I won't belabor it but I have a feeling he is tired to the point he is not thinking straight. And honestly everyone has a breaking point. He probably would serve the search and himself well just to kind of take a break and I do not mean that nasty. I think he has been showing the strain and letting both his ego and Cindy and the case get to him. Hope he gets some rest. I know when I am really stressed and tired my behavior is not the best. He is , I guess after all only human.

[applesandorange]

Well, you know if Nancy said one single thing that goes against Ms Cindy's toe the line, Casey is innocent, Caylee is alive theory she probably backed out. Also Cindy is pretty mad at Leonard and I have a feeling Nancy does not want to let her get on there and bash away. Nancy may want to talk about the evidence and can you blame Cindy for backing out on that score? Just my opinion, but I wondered what happened as well.

You are probably right. You and I both know if given the chance Cindy would have bashed LP all night long. Cindy also knows the way NG feels and all the evidence LE has. How could she honestly face NG's questions about evidence without looking like a fool? She has to realize that.

[mu8shark]

The reason Cindy has given for not visiting Casey this time is that Casey wants all attention on Caylee and not her. That is IF you believe what Cindy says.I totally agree this excuse does not make sense.

[One2Snoop]

The reason Cindy has given for not visiting Casey this time is that Casey wants all attention on Caylee and not her. That is IF you believe what Cindy says.

I also thought I heard her say they are writing letters for now. Its in one of the video interviews.

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh Puhleeze -- that doesn't even make sense. The focus IS on Caylee and no thanks to her self-absorbed mother this search has gone on way too long. All Casey had to do (IF she was truly concerned that Caylee be found) is COOPERATE WITH LE and stop telling one lie after another.

Got to agree with you. And kinda glad that G&C weren't on NG tonight. So tired of her hysterical ramblings.

Oh! Speaking of NG. I had never actually heard that tape of Lee talking about George driving the car home from the tow yard with the odor. And he laughed. That honked me off.

[applesandorange]

He sounded like he was crying. I have been critical of Tim Miller and already pounded the drum on that so I won't belabor it but I have a feeling he is tired to the point he is not thinking straight. And honestly everyone has a breaking point. He probably would serve the search and himself well just to kind of take a break and I do not mean that nasty. I think he has been showing the strain and letting both his ego and Cindy and the case get to him. Hope he gets some rest. I know when I am really stressed and tired my behavior is not the best. He is , I guess after all only human.


I agree and IIRC before when he was on NG he looked awful. He looked so worn out and even sickly. I has stated back then that I hope he was able to take a break and take care of himself. I again hope that he is able to take a break for his own health and sanity. You and I have been on the same page with our opinions on the whole TM, LP saga and I fully agree that he needs to take a break from this case and possibly all others for a while. He needs to get himself back in shape mentally before tackling such challenging cases. This is not a put down. I am meaning that any one of us would break mentally if dealing with these cases everyday. Look how all of us feel about Caylee and we aren't in the middle of it. Can you imagine what these people truly feel like? I know I couldn't do it.

[mu8shark]

Thanks apples-yep that would be a real smart move and career ender. I dont think Padilla is that stupid. Good gawd. Never a dull monent in this one.:rose: He is not going to plant bones. I totally agree he is not that stupid. I mean they could find out in a few days if the bones were not hers or planted and it would be revealed and a twenty year career would be ruined. No way. LE in my opinion is totally overreacting. On the bright side, Leonard said he had no problem taking one.

[applesandorange]

I also thought I heard her say they are writing letters for now. Its in one of the video interviews.


Yes I heard that too and also I heard her say "and communicating as best as we can" What's THAT supposed to mean?

[mu8shark]

I agree and IIRC before when he was on NG he looked awful. He looked so worn out and even sickly. I has stated back then that I hope he was able to take a break and take care of himself. I again hope that he is able to take a break for his own health and sanity. You and I have been on the same page with our opinions on the whole TM, LP saga and I fully agree that he needs to take a break from this case and possibly all others for a while. He needs to get himself back in shape mentally before tackling such challenging cases. This is not a put down. I am meaning that any one of us would break mentally if dealing with these cases everyday. Look how all of us feel about Caylee and we aren't in the middle of it. Can you imagine what these people truly feel like? I know I couldn't do it. I agree I don't think either of us means it as a putdown. If you are just bone weary mentally it effects your judgement, no doubt about it. Maybe after some rest he can come back rejuvanted.

[applesandorange]

Got to agree with you. And kinda glad that G&C weren't on NG tonight. So tired of her hysterical ramblings.

Oh! Speaking of NG. I had never actually heard that tape of Lee talking about George driving the car home from the tow yard with the odor. And he laughed. That honked me off.


He also laughed when saying about smelling the smell for the first time in the garage. Something about the smell makes him all giggly. :flamemad:

[mu8shark]

Got to agree with you. And kinda glad that G&C weren't on NG tonight. So tired of her hysterical ramblings.

Oh! Speaking of NG. I had never actually heard that tape of Lee talking about George driving the car home from the tow yard with the odor. And he laughed. That honked me off. OMG, I so noticed he laughed and was going to mention this, I think that is weird. Does he not realize what George was smelling might be his niece? Bad things, man

[wind149]

Now LP is kicked out of Blanchard Park, Orange County probably has a hand in that, he called the media before them and that is not cool and if you believe TM's rap about him on last night's NG, LP allegedly told Tm that the divers had to go in the water and how much money they could make if TM came out of the water holding C's skull and I was like HUH? Now I am really starting to really get sick of all of them, the focus has been lost and now it is a match of egos, who knows more than who, who is gonna sue who, ( I am not commenting on CA counter suing Zenaida, don't feel like getting banned) too many hands in the pie so to speak, and right before I hopped on here, I just read where Henry Lee is now assisting the defense and I am here to tell you, this guy USED to be the best, but I have read stories about him where he might have fudged evidence, as he gets paid extremely well, there was a case in his home state of CT where evidence in said case was up for debate, DNA and body fluids put a defendant at the scene, which was the rape and murder of a young woman, but she also had other male DNA in her as well, and they did not get any hits as this DNA was not in CODIS like the defendant's was and he came to the conclusion that the defendant was the rapist and killer and he was convicted. 10 years later the other man came forward and said that he could not live with himself and admitted to the crime. Meanwhile the first guy was sitting an innocent man in a cell 24 hours a day, and not only did he not get much of an apology out of the state of CT, Lee refused to acknowledge the fact he was wrong and stuck to his guns even though the other man confessed and plead guilty without a trial.

Something about him bothers me as much as that tool Koby does. Now both of these idiots are working for the defense and who the hell is picking up the tab? I don't see either one of them doing it for nothing! Money that has been raised for searches??? My money, should my life be on the line, would want Dr. Michael Baden, that guy has a 100% solve rate, and what I like about him as well, is he apparently has no ego issues, and I have watched him on shows like "Dead Man Talking" and he is right on the money, and one case featured a young woman who was sitting in jail, convicted on murdering her young son by poisoning him with Glycol, i.e. Anti-freeze. She got a 20 year sentence and she begged Baden to come see her, and he was so compassionate to her, he even held her hand and said that he believed her and was gonna see what he could do. She gave birth behind bars to another son and her husband was raising him and damm if this kid did not get sick as well and to make a long story short, Baden figured out that both kids suffered from a rare disease where it mimics Glycol poisoning, and with the 2nd boy, it was determined that the treatment the hospital used to prevent the child's brain from swelling also contained Glycol!!!! SO both kids had this disease and the disease is what killed the boy. It showed up on the autopsy, that he re-did as crystals in the brain cells and if you are poisoned by Glycol the crystals will also show up but because this disease was rare, the doctors assumed the child was poisoned and he proved that this disease is what killed the boy and the other child, once he received an anti-dote he survived and Mom was let out of jail.

I don't think Koby or Lee would have showed up unless a fat check was coming their way!! Baden spent his own dime on this, traveling to another state as he is based out of NY, as he truly believed that the woman was innocent as he says he has a second sense that is usually right as he has testified in many, many cases, both for the prosecution and defense and keeps an open mind, relies on his knowledge of the human body as well as human nature and the forensic tools he has at his disposal, but this man was also a pioneer, solving cases where he did not have the tools he has today and above all this man does not toot his own horn. While he is a major consultant, his focus is on the task at hand, not how good he looks on camera and Lee, especially after the OJ fiasco, thought that he was the mesiah of forensics, and Koby?

My personal take is he is the man of the moment. I have seen him too, on TV shows, and I think he blows onto whatever side he is gonna reap the most prestige and money from, as well photo ops!!! He was about wetting himself when he came on board the Casey train wreck, he went from discussing things with NG, to hurling himself on her side real fast, don't ya think???? So this is my take, and I truly wish that Caylee's remains would be found, but she had a 30 day leeway and that child could have been dumped in a dumpster in Toad Suck KY, did not bring her cell with her and sometimes, ya gotta wonder, I am a huge fan of crime shows like the Law and Order series, Dead Man Talking, shows on Oxygen and WE, MSNBC, and if people like CA actually glean info from the shows and use it to their advantage. Also shows like CSI give people bad ideas, the CSI's on the show, test DNA evidence and by the third commercial it comes back and in real life, that does not happen that quick, even if LE puts a rush on it.

We already know she watched crime oriented DVD"s about the time Caylee came up missing. Remember that horrible movie "Natural Born Killers"? Several copycat maniacs came out as a result of that movie including the case of the Dartmouth, NH college professors that were stabbed to death by two teens in 2001, and they are now serving LWPOP in a NH prison and the only reason they did not get the DP is because of their age, no jury wanted to send two teens to their death even though they methodically stabbed the Zantop's many times and took maybe $100 in cash. The ringleader, Robert Tuller told LE that they just wanted to watch somebody die and he never expressed much remorse and ya can't blame his actions on his childhood, he was raised in a loving home and so was the other brat, his name escapes me right now, but Tuller is hard to forget.

So yeah, this whole thing has turned into a circus, too many egos in the way and I am sure that at first, LE did not object to LP or TM searching, hey, they have just so many hands themselves and now, they want to pull the pug on the whole thing and take back their case and I don't blame them. I truly believe that LP wants to find the child and we have all flip-flopped as to his agenda, and TM does searches al the time, and while LP flags down live bail jumpers, TM searches for live and deceased people and I think LP frustrates him, now whether he said that to Tim regarding making money off Caylee's remains, I want to hope he didn't because if he did, then he is a total tool!!!

[applesandorange]

I agree I don't think either of us means it as a putdown. If you are just bone weary mentally it effects your judgement, no doubt about it. Maybe after some rest he can come back rejuvanted.

Exactly and he will be so much more helpful that way too.

[applesandorange]

Now LP is kicked out of Blanchard Park, Orange County probably has a hand in that, he called the media before them and that is not cool and if you believe TM's rap about him on last night's NG, LP allegedly told Tm that the divers had to go in the water and how much money they could make if TM came out of the water holding C's skull and I was like HUH? Now I am really starting to really get sick of all of them, the focus has been lost and now it is a match of egos, who knows more than who, who is gonna sue who, ( I am not commenting on CA counter suing Zenaida, don't feel like getting banned) too many hands in the pie so to speak, and right before I hopped on here, I just read where Henry Lee is now assisting the defense and I am here to tell you, this guy USED to be the best, but I have read stories about him where he might have fudged evidence, as he gets paid extremely well, there was a case in his home state of CT where evidence in said case was up for debate, DNA and body fluids put a defendant at the scene, which was the rape and murder of a young woman, but she also had other male DNA in her as well, and they did not get any hits as this DNA was not in CODIS like the defendant's was and he came to the conclusion that the defendant was the rapist and killer and he was convicted. 10 years later the other man came forward and said that he could not live with himself and admitted to the crime. Meanwhile the first guy was sitting an innocent man in a cell 24 hours a day, and not only did he not get much of an apology out of the state of CT, Lee refused to acknowledge the fact he was wrong and stuck to his guns even though the other man confessed and plead guilty without a trial.

Something about him bothers me as much as that tool Koby does. Now both of these idiots are working for the defense and who the hell is picking up the tab? I don't see either one of them doing it for nothing! Money that has been raised for searches??? My money, should my life be on the line, would want Dr. Michael Baden, that guy has a 100% solve rate, and what I like about him as well, is he apparently has no ego issues, and I have watched him on shows like "Dead Man Talking" and he is right on the money, and one case featured a young woman who was sitting in jail, convicted on murdering her young son by poisoning him with Glycol, i.e. Anti-freeze. She got a 20 year sentence and she begged Baden to come see her, and he was so compassionate to her, he even held her hand and said that he believed her and was gonna see what he could do. She gave birth behind bars to another son and her husband was raising him and damm if this kid did not get sick as well and to make a long story short, Baden figured out that both kids suffered from a rare disease where it mimics Glycol poisoning, and with the 2nd boy, it was determined that the treatment the hospital used to prevent the child's brain from swelling also contained Glycol!!!! SO both kids had this disease and the disease is what killed the boy. It showed up on the autopsy, that he re-did as crystals in the brain cells and if you are poisoned by Glycol the crystals will also show up but because this disease was rare, the doctors assumed the child was poisoned and he proved that this disease is what killed the boy and the other child, once he received an anti-dote he survived and Mom was let out of jail.

I don't think Koby or Lee would have showed up unless a fat check was coming their way!! Baden spent his own dime on this, traveling to another state as he is based out of NY, as he truly believed that the woman was innocent as he says he has a second sense that is usually right as he has testified in many, many cases, both for the prosecution and defense and keeps an open mind, relies on his knowledge of the human body as well as human nature and the forensic tools he has at his disposal, but this man was also a pioneer, solving cases where he did not have the tools he has today and above all this man does not toot his own horn. While he is a major consultant, his focus is on the task at hand, not how good he looks on camera and Lee, especially after the OJ fiasco, thought that he was the mesiah of forensics, and Koby?

My personal take is he is the man of the moment. I have seen him too, on TV shows, and I think he blows onto whatever side he is gonna reap the most prestige and money from, as well photo ops!!! He was about wetting himself when he came on board the Casey train wreck, he went from discussing things with NG, to hurling himself on her side real fast, don't ya think???? So this is my take, and I truly wish that Caylee's remains would be found, but she had a 30 day leeway and that child could have been dumped in a dumpster in Toad Suck KY, did not bring her cell with her and sometimes, ya gotta wonder, I am a huge fan of crime shows like the Law and Order series, Dead Man Talking, shows on Oxygen and WE, MSNBC, and if people like CA actually glean info from the shows and use it to their advantage. Also shows like CSI give people bad ideas, the CSI's on the show, test DNA evidence and by the third commercial it comes back and in real life, that does not happen that quick, even if LE puts a rush on it.

We already know she watched crime oriented DVD"s about the time Caylee came up missing. Remember that horrible movie "Natural Born Killers"? Several copycat maniacs came out as a result of that movie including the case of the Dartmouth, NH college professors that were stabbed to death by two teens in 2001, and they are now serving LWPOP in a NH prison and the only reason they did not get the DP is because of their age, no jury wanted to send two teens to their death even though they methodically stabbed the Zantop's many times and took maybe $100 in cash. The ringleader, Robert Tuller told LE that they just wanted to watch somebody die and he never expressed much remorse and ya can't blame his actions on his childhood, he was raised in a loving home and so was the other brat, his name escapes me right now, but Tuller is hard to forget.

So yeah, this whole thing has turned into a circus, too many egos in the way and I am sure that at first, LE did not object to LP or TM searching, hey, they have just so many hands themselves and now, they want to pull the pug on the whole thing and take back their case and I don't blame them. I truly believe that LP wants to find the child and we have all flip-flopped as to his agenda, and TM does searches al the time, and while LP flags down live bail jumpers, TM searches for live and deceased people and I think LP frustrates him, now whether he said that to Tim regarding making money off Caylee's remains, I want to hope he didn't because if he did, then he is a total tool!!!


Well said. ITA on everything!

[mu8shark]

One2, no the drama being played out in the media doesn't do anything to bring Caylee home but I posted with you for 3 years on the Tara board and if it had not been for some of what I called the funnies I don't think I would have lasted 3 years. As you know the drama in Tara case was less in the media but played out on some of the boards.

I read here daily (sometimes many times a day) to keep up with what is happening because I also want Caylee found as well as Justice. All of you are doing an excellent
job posting and it's wonderful not to have to weed thru any conflicts to get the latest updates from many sources.

Keep up the good work guys and gals...this is the best place for information and I also like reading your sound opinions, humor and venting.

Just dropping by to give you all a :rose: IJM/fep I agree this is the best place and sometimes we all vent . LOL.But it is good to have a place to vent where people put their two cents in and don't get too high and mighty. I enjoy reading all opinions and all styles of posting. [ This case has been so surreal. I remember in the OJ case the defense thought the case was so weird they called it TFC. This blanking case and in some ways, this case is TFC. I tell ya. Just when you think things are kind of settling down , something happens.

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Well said. ITA on everything! I do not like Henry Lee. In my opinion he is real money and media w h o r e. I know that sounds harsh but I agree he jumps on the bandwagon of the biggest spender. How the H does Casey have money for Henry Lee. Also do not believe Leonard said to Tim you could be on tv holding Caylees skull. That sounds concocted and exaggerated and I just doubt even if a guy was thinking it , he would say it. Also Kobe seems to be changing his tune a bit. Now he says it was something decomposed , a living organism. I think Nancy is wearing him down LOL.

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WTH? :eek:


Casey's Attorney Files Counter-Claims Against Zenaida Gonzalez
Friday, November 14, 2008 – updated: 5:00 pm EST November 14, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- It's proof that anybody can sue anybody, even Casey Anthony. Eyewitness News uncovered a lawsuit filed by Casey Anthony against a woman she's never met.

The woman's name is Zenaida Gonzalez. She got caught up in the whole saga simply because she has the same name as the so-called babysitter who Casey claimed took her daughter Caylee.


Casey Anthony's attorneys have filed a counter-claim (read document- link below) seeking money from Zenaida Gonzalez, calling Zenaida's lawsuit an attempt to cash in on a high profile case.

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzales is the name of the mystery baby sitter Casey Anthony says took her daughter Caylee. In September, Eyewitness News broke the story that a Zenaida Fernandez- Gonzalez from Osceola County and her high-profile attorney, John Morgan, were suing Casey Anthony for defamation and infliction of emotional distress.

"Zenaida's world has been turned upside down. She is in hiding. The mention of her name is red-flagged everywhere," Morgan said.

Eyewitness News found out Friday that Casey Anthony's lawyer has filed a counter claim calling Zenaida's "a frivolous lawsuit which was filed for no other reason but to harass and embarrass" Casey Anthony.

It also calls it an "attempt to cash in on a high-profile media case" and contends John Morgan's firm did it to "generate publicity for their law firm."

The counter complaint goes on to claim Casey Anthony made truthful statements to investigators about a separate Zenaida Gonzalez and the woman suing her is not the mystery babysitter.

Now, Casey Anthony is seeking damages in excess of $15,000 and to recoup court fees and attorney fees.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17983289/detail.html

Document
http://www.wftv.com/news/17983147/detail.htmlOh no she didn't!!! Are you kidding me? Zenaida filed this lawsuit to embarass and harass Casey? The f-ing nerve of this girl and her lawyer. This womans life is ruined , turned upside down, she can't get a job , her children and her were being harassed. I just can't believe it, this takes the cake. No judge or jury is going to look at her lies and award her diddly.

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Oh no she didn't!!! Are you kidding me? Zenaida filed this lawsuit to embarass and harass Casey? The f-ing nerve of this girl and her lawyer. This womans life is ruined , turned upside down, she can't get a job , her children and her were being harassed. I just can't believe it, this takes the cake. No judge or jury is going to look at her lies and award her diddly.

The moment I read that my thoughts of said attorney was - ambulance chaser, lo-life pond scum, etc.... Seriously if any judge allows this to go any further they need to have their head examined. Just adding more drama to the circus IMO.

I'm sure by the time this is all settled Zenaida will end up with zilch - I thought it was very humble of her not to sue the pants off Casey and ask for millions - it was a measly $15,000 which I'm sure she'll never see a penny of it anyhow.

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I do not like Henry Lee. In my opinion he is real money and media w h o r e. I know that sounds harsh but I agree he jumps on the bandwagon of the biggest spender. How the H does Casey have money for Henry Lee. Also do not believe Leonard said to Tim you could be on tv holding Caylees skull. That sounds concocted and exaggerated and I just doubt even if a guy was thinking it , he would say it. Also Kobe seems to be changing his tune a bit. Now he says it was something decomposed , a living organism. I think Nancy is wearing him down LOL.

I like you mu8shark :D and don't think you're being harsh at all. I question why Baez even hired Henwee Wee. The more I thought about it the more I believe he did it knowing Lee's controversial background - better for Casey.

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The moment I read that my thoughts of said attorney was - ambulance chaser, lo-life pond scum, etc.... Seriously if any judge allows this to go any further they need to have their head examined. Just adding more drama to the circus IMO.

I'm sure by the time this is all settled Zenaida will end up with zilch - I thought it was very humble of her not to sue the pants off Casey and ask for millions - it was a measly $15,000 which I'm sure she'll never see a penny of it anyhow.Arrgh exactly, I mean a real lawyer would tell Casey, know what you have much bigger problems babe than Zenaida suing you. This is just a bad idea on any level. Why Bias can't see that is beyond me.

[One2Snoop]

So what do you all think about Padilla being banned http://i36.tinypic.com/33uwk6o.gif from Jay Blanchard Park?

Late Friday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned Padilla has been kicked out of Blanchard Park. Park officials banned him from returning to search this weekend.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17982607/detail.html

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9138229]I like you mu8shark :D and don't think you're being harsh at all. I question why Baez even hired Henwee Wee. The more I thought about it the more I believe he did it knowing Lee's controversial background - better for Casey.[/QUOTE And really what is Henry Lee going to say? If he smelled that car even now from what was said on tv, no way is he going to claim, yep it's a pizza. And on the dna he is not going to claim it is squirrel mitrochrondial dna. The only thing he can possibly try to mess with is the collection method and you can bet they collected it with care. I almost could not believe my eyes when I saw him tooling around with Baez. He may have to claim like Kobe did, well it could be the mitrochronidal dna of another dead person who happens to have the same mitrochrondial dna as Caylee. Maybe if someone at the tow yard has a missing spouse who just so happens to have the same mitronchrondial dna, the defense will be in luck. !!! Pftt!

[mu8shark]

So what do you all think about Padilla being banned http://i36.tinypic.com/33uwk6o.gif from Jay Blanchard Park?

Late Friday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned Padilla has been kicked out of Blanchard Park. Park officials banned him from returning to search this weekend.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17982607/detail.html This bothers me on a few levels. First of all, what is the harm of him searching? Secondly I can't help but remember how Casey told several people her second story dealing with Blanchard Park and Zenaida and her supposed sister Samantha. Why did she tell that story? Was it a setup in case they found the body? I am not totally convinced the body is not there. I know that sounds crazy but I am not convinced. I would not let them look indefinitely but a few more days would not hurt. . Last I heard on those toys, LE did not even bother with them. The diver in fact was still holding the toys when the media was there after LE left so I don't think they took them, at least I have seen nothing that says they took them. I can't believe I am saying this but it is not unusual in LE circles for Le to get territorial and a bit jealous over turf and investigations. I just wonder if LE did not recommend that Leonard be banned. Why would the park take it on themselves unless people were complaining they could not go there. I don't know, my theory is LE does not want too much searching done because the defense will use a massive search against them in court.

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:confused: I thought Kobe was working for the defense yet he states this tonight on Nancy Grace....

Kobe - the decomposition odor is of "life form".

So we know Casey's squirrel story is out. Has Henry replaced Kobe? Little late IMO.

[One2Snoop]

This bothers me on a few levels. First of all, what is the harm of him searching? Secondly I can't help but remember how Casey told several people her second story dealing with Blanchard Park and Zenaida and her supposed sister Samantha. Why did she tell that story? Was it a setup in case they found the body? I am not totally convinced the body is not there. I know that sounds crazy but I am not convinced. I would not let them look indefinitely but a few more days would not hurt. . Last I heard on those toys, LE did not even bother with them. The diver in fact was still holding the toys when the media was there after LE left so I don't think they took them, at least I have seen nothing that says they took them. I can't believe I am saying this but it is not unusual in LE circles for Le to get territorial and a bit jealous over turf and investigations. I just wonder if LE did not recommend that Leonard be banned. Why would the park take it on themselves unless people were complaining they could not go there. I don't know, my theory is LE does not want too much searching done because the defense will use a massive search against them in court.

I was just reading up on this and supposedly its only for the weekend - this info hasn't been verified by a media source or official announcement from LE.

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So what do you all think about Padilla being banned http://i36.tinypic.com/33uwk6o.gif from Jay Blanchard Park?

Late Friday afternoon, Eyewitness News learned Padilla has been kicked out of Blanchard Park. Park officials banned him from returning to search this weekend.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17982607/detail.html


I agree with mu8shark on this. I don't understand why they banned him. I too think LE was involved with the ban. I see it is only for the weekend. Maybe they just want some quiet in the park this weekend so families can go and enjoy the park? I believe LP might be correct and Caylee is in the water. If mu8shark sounds crazy I'm right there with them. I don't think LP would be sticking around searching one area this long if he wasn't sure of himself. Like I said before for him to be able to put up so much money he has to be pretty successful in what he does as a bounty hunter. I don't think he's stupid at all. I think he has things figured out and is willing to go as far as he has to to find this little girl's remains. I know this is sooooo crazy and I know it's not realistic, it's just my hope overcoming reality but what if those "rocks" weren't rocks and were actually bones and LE doesn't want the media to know so they told the park people to stop LP dives this weekend because they are planning on having results back this weekend and don't want LP wasting his time? I think what even made that thought come up was didn't they say yesterday LP was in a cruiser on his way to take a polygraph and then they said today that LP is staying in FL through next week in order to take the polygraph test. Didn't make sense to me. Like I said I know it's not true and don't want to put false hope out there but it's a crazy thought I had. I also thought about it because all George asked of LE was if they found something that they would tell him first so he could brace Cindy. Then they cancel NG tonight. I'm insane I know lol.

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I was just reading up on this and supposedly its only for the weekend - this info hasn't been verified by a media source or official announcement from LE.Okay I am going to go all multiple personality disorder on you all and disagree with parts of my own previous post. LOL. I read the article on this which i should of done before I came up with my theory. It looks like some events were planned in Blanchard Park or so it was said by Blanchard Park and they need the park, so this I can see., Maybe LE had no role in kicking him out after all. But I still stand by my opinion I bet there are some turf issues and LE is getting irritated with Leonard shadowing their moves and knowing so much about the investigation. Did somebody say Cindy had a black eye or some mark on her face? I bet the real kidnappers did it to keep her quiet. Ha ha hahahaha. By the way I do not charge for the sarcasm. LOL.

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Okay I am going to go all multiple personality disorder on you all and disagree with parts of my own previous post. LOL. I read the article on this which i should of done before I came up with my theory. It looks like some events were planned in Blanchard Park or so it was said by Blanchard Park and they need the park, so this I can see., Maybe LE had no role in kicking him out after all. But I still stand by my opinion I bet there are some turf issues and LE is getting irritated with Leonard shadowing their moves and knowing so much about the investigation. Did somebody say Cindy had a black eye or some mark on her face? I bet the real kidnappers did it to keep her quiet. Ha ha hahahaha. By the way I do not charge for the sarcasm. LOL.


I didn't read the article either but I thought *maybe* they just wanted the park quiet this weekend since most times families go to parks on weekends vs. during the week. I still don't put it past LE to try to stop LP from searching further. I think you are right about them having territorial issues and such. It's almost like if they don't find it it doesn't exsist.

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I agree with mu8shark on this. I don't understand why they banned him. I too think LE was involved with the ban. I see it is only for the weekend. Maybe they just want some quiet in the park this weekend so families can go and enjoy the park? I believe LP might be correct and Caylee is in the water. If mu8shark sounds crazy I'm right there with them. I don't think LP would be sticking around searching one area this long if he wasn't sure of himself. Like I said before for him to be able to put up so much money he has to be pretty successful in what he does as a bounty hunter. I don't think he's stupid at all. I think he has things figured out and is willing to go as far as he has to to find this little girl's remains. I know this is sooooo crazy and I know it's not realistic, it's just my hope overcoming reality but what if those "rocks" weren't rocks and were actually bones and LE doesn't want the media to know so they told the park people to stop LP dives this weekend because they are planning on having results back this weekend and don't want LP wasting his time? I think what even made that thought come up was didn't they say yesterday LP was in a cruiser on his way to take a polygraph and then they said today that LP is staying in FL through next week in order to take the polygraph test. Didn't make sense to me. Like I said I know it's not true and don't want to put false hope out there but it's a crazy thought I had. I also thought about it because all George asked of LE was if they found something that they would tell him first so he could brace Cindy. Then they cancel NG tonight. I'm insane I know lol. You are not crazy, Mike Brooks made the statement tonight on NG that they were bones but unrelated to the Anthony case . What does this mean? Would animal bones be in with a bunch of toys? And if they are human bones , a 15 minute visual inspection would not rule out whose bones they were. I thought it weird it has gone from they were rocks to they were bones. Also I am positive the reporter said she saw the items and they looked like finger bones to her, not rocks. I am a little flumoxed by all this.

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You are not crazy, Mike Brooks made the statement tonight on NG that they were bones but unrelated to the Anthony case . What does this mean? Would animal bones be in with a bunch of toys? And if they are human bones , a 15 minute visual inspection would not rule out whose bones they were. I thought it weird it has gone from they were rocks to they were bones. Also I am positive the reporter said she saw the items and they looked like finger bones to her, not rocks. I am a little flumoxed by all this.

Really? I missed him saying that. Hmmmm makes me wonder. Something else that's strange... at first it was said that the bag of toys were taken but not the "rocks" now they are saying the "rocks" were taken but not the toys. Why would LE take rocks and not toys? It makes no sense to me at all. Also wasn't it said they were taken and called a special name? I forget what they called it but I thought it strange to call rocks anything at all.

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You are not crazy, Mike Brooks made the statement tonight on NG that they were bones but unrelated to the Anthony case . What does this mean? Would animal bones be in with a bunch of toys? And if they are human bones , a 15 minute visual inspection would not rule out whose bones they were. I thought it weird it has gone from they were rocks to they were bones. Also I am positive the reporter said she saw the items and they looked like finger bones to her, not rocks. I am a little flumoxed by all this.

Now that you mention it - its very possible a youngster placed his/her favorite cat or dog along with their favorite toy in the water. Its an unusual way to bury an animal but perhaps that was their favorite play spot? Not sure why they would need bricks to weigh it down though. :shrug: Just thinking out loud....

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You are not crazy, Mike Brooks made the statement tonight on NG that they were bones but unrelated to the Anthony case . What does this mean? Would animal bones be in with a bunch of toys? And if they are human bones , a 15 minute visual inspection would not rule out whose bones they were. I thought it weird it has gone from they were rocks to they were bones. Also I am positive the reporter said she saw the items and they looked like finger bones to her, not rocks. I am a little flumoxed by all this. Okay just for my own self satisfaction because sometimes I do mishear things this is the quote about the bones on NG, "
"And as opposed to the search now, we have in the little Econ River, a half dozen divers went into the Little Econ River earlier today, they came up empty-handed. Yesterday, if you recall, Nancy, they came up with a bag of goodies, basically, a Gumby doll and some bones, but they were not related to the Caylee Anthony case." What kind of bones ? Animal bones ? This is kind of puzzling.

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Now that you mention it - its very possible a youngster placed his/her favorite cat or dog along with their favorite toy in the water. Its an unusual way to bury an animal but perhaps that was their favorite play spot? Not sure why they would need bricks to weigh it down though. :shrug: Just thinking out loud....

Why take animal bones? Do they take all animal bones that are found?

[mu8shark]

Now that you mention it - its very possible a youngster placed his/her favorite cat or dog along with their favorite toy in the water. Its an unusual way to bury an animal but perhaps that was their favorite play spot? Not sure why they would need bricks to weigh it down though. :shrug: Just thinking out loud.... Yeah it would have been better if they had made a short statement about who inspected the find and what it was determined to be. It is probably nothing but it gets your head thinking. LOL.

[One2Snoop]

Okay I am going to go all multiple personality disorder on you all and disagree with parts of my own previous post. LOL. I read the article on this which i should of done before I came up with my theory. It looks like some events were planned in Blanchard Park or so it was said by Blanchard Park and they need the park, so this I can see., Maybe LE had no role in kicking him out after all. But I still stand by my opinion I bet there are some turf issues and LE is getting irritated with Leonard shadowing their moves and knowing so much about the investigation. Did somebody say Cindy had a black eye or some mark on her face? I bet the real kidnappers did it to keep her quiet. Ha ha hahahaha. By the way I do not charge for the sarcasm. LOL.

I didn't read the article either but I thought *maybe* they just wanted the park quiet this weekend since most times families go to parks on weekends vs. during the week. I still don't put it past LE to try to stop LP from searching further. I think you are right about them having territorial issues and such. It's almost like if they don't find it it doesn't exsist.

mu8 I still agree with you on the turf issues and A&O - my first thought about LP being ousted from the park for the weekend was the same. Did Nancy question LP about it tonight on her show? I was only half listening (my bad :punch: ) while they were talking. NG asked LP to respond to something Tim said and then my husband came home and well you know the story - LOL maybe you don't but my hubby's very inqusitive of my day's activities and sometimes I have to put him in his place and say shhhhhhhh! Nancy Grace is on! LOL. That goes over really well - not! :tongue:

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Why take animal bones? Do they take all animal bones that are found? LE took the bones??? Why?? If it is just a bunch of nonsense and they could see this right away , why take them? That startles me!!

[applesandorange]

Okay just for my own self satisfaction because sometimes I do mishear things this is the quote about the bones on NG, "
"And as opposed to the search now, we have in the little Econ River, a half dozen divers went into the Little Econ River earlier today, they came up empty-handed. Yesterday, if you recall, Nancy, they came up with a bag of goodies, basically, a Gumby doll and some bones, but they were not related to the Caylee Anthony case." What kind of bones ? Animal bones ? This is kind of puzzling.

Yes it is puzzling. Thanks for looking that up btw. This whole thing is crazy and what makes it more puzzling is all the questions and the statements that are made one day only to be changed the next.

[One2Snoop]

Why take animal bones? Do they take all animal bones that are found?

I don't know for sure they were actually animal bones - just guessing at what Mike Brooks meant by his statement that they were bones but unrelated to the Anthony case.

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mu8 I still agree with you on the turf issues and A&O - my first thought about LP being ousted from the park for the weekend was the same. Did Nancy question LP about it tonight on her show? I was only half listening (my bad :punch: ) while they were talking. NG asked LP to respond to something Tim said and then my husband came home and well you know the story - LOL maybe you don't but my hubby's very inqusitive of my day's activities and sometimes I have to put him in his place and say shhhhhhhh! Nancy Grace is on! LOL. That goes over really well - not! :tongue:

I know how that is lol. NG didn't have LP on tonight. The part that him and Tim were on was just being replayed from last night. He wasn't on there tonight. Not that I know of anyway.

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LE took the bones??? Why?? If it is just a bunch of nonsense and they could see this right away , why take them? That startles me!!

YES!! Isn't that crazy?! I know I felt the same when I heard it. Yesterday they were saying that the rocks were left and the bag of toys were taken but today it came out that the rocks were taken and the toys were left behind. They said they took the rocks and called it some name..... I'll have to look.

[One2Snoop]

LE took the bones??? Why?? If it is just a bunch of nonsense and they could see this right away , why take them? That startles me!!

I didn't know they took them? LOL - Last I heard they were being referred to as rocks. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0081.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-character-smileys.php)

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mu8 I still agree with you on the turf issues and A&O - my first thought about LP being ousted from the park for the weekend was the same. Did Nancy question LP about it tonight on her show? I was only half listening (my bad :punch: ) while they were talking. NG asked LP to respond to something Tim said and then my husband came home and well you know the story - LOL maybe you don't but my hubby's very inqusitive of my day's activities and sometimes I have to put him in his place and say shhhhhhhh! Nancy Grace is on! LOL. That goes over really well - not! :tongue: I don't think Leonard was on there at all, they reshowed Tim accusing him of doing it to make money and then Tim called in weeping. I confess I am kind of irritated still with Tim, trying to understand but he did come out in an interview(print) and call Leonard a disgrace to humanity. So that sticks in my craw a bit still but anyways....I am rereading Bugliosi's great book on the Manson case and he is talking about how jealous various LE agencies are, LA County Sheriffs office not sharing with LAPD in that case and this happens all the time and they don't share information or respect each other. Everyone wants to be first and solve the case and be the man in those instances so you can imagine how LE resents a guy from another area who is not a sworn officer. If they took the bones it might not mean anything serious but at least it was not as absurd as they made it out to be, obviously they wanted to check something. The lie detector I think is a way to back Leonard off, like get out of town. I think it is probably LE's way of asking him to leave town and get off their toes. Don't get me wrong I think they have done a good job in this case so I am not being hypercritical of them but the lie detector thing is a gross overreaction in my opinion based on two dogs fighting over the same bone (Maybe a bad way to state it)

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I know how that is lol. NG didn't have LP on tonight. The part that him and Tim were on was just being replayed from last night. He wasn't on there tonight. Not that I know of anyway.

I was only able to watch the first 15 minutes of NG last night and haven't read all of the transcript - thanks for letting me know it was just a re-run.

What about when Tim cried - was that tonight live or was it last night? :confused:

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I was only able to watch the first 15 minutes of NG last night and haven't read all of the transcript - thanks for letting me know it was just a re-run.

What about when Tim cried - was that tonight live or was it last night? :confused:

I'm sorry. That was tonight live. I forgot about that. That's the only time he was on live tonight though.

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I don't think Leonard was on there at all, they reshowed Tim accusing him of doing it to make money and then Tim called in weeping. I confess I am kind of irritated still with Tim, trying to understand but he did come out in an interview(print) and call Leonard a disgrace to humanity. So that sticks in my craw a bit still but anyways....I am rereading Bugliosi's great book on the Manson case and he is talking about how jealous various LE agencies are, LA County Sheriffs office not sharing with LAPD in that case and this happens all the time and they don't share information or respect each other. Everyone wants to be first and solve the case and be the man in those instances so you can imagine how LE resents a guy from another area who is not a sworn officer. If they took the bones it might not mean anything serious but at least it was not as absurd as they made it out to be, obviously they wanted to check something. The lie detector I think is a way to back Leonard off, like get out of town. I think it is probably LE's way of asking him to leave town and get off their toes. Don't get me wrong I think they have done a good job in this case so I am not being hypercritical of them but the lie detector thing is a gross overreaction in my opinion based on two dogs fighting over the same bone (Maybe a bad way to state it)


Maybe the polygraph test is to make sure that LP found those bones when and where he says they found them. Maybe it's not to see if he planted anything, maybe it's just to be sure everything's legit?

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Well I am looking around for the interview about the bones still but I found this and it has probably already been discussed but it sounds like double spin to me. I tend to believe that he quit because of their erratic behavior LOL and he tried to make money. Imagine realizing that there is no money to be made and the folks are craaaazy! LOL "On Wednesday, a man hired to be the spokesman for Caylee's family said he quit the job because of their "erratic behavior."

Larry Garrison was retained in August to speak to the media on behalf of the Anthonys. He resigned Wednesday.

"Due to the erratic behavior over the last several months exhibited by the Anthony family, Larry Garrison is resigning as their spokesperson," he said in a prepared statement.

"It is my opinion that others have manipulated them into situations that would not dignify the family. I can no longer be part of that behavior."

Anthony family lawyer Mark Nejame laughed at the statement and said it was released minutes after Garrison learned he'd been fired, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.

Nejame said Garrison was canned for pocketing money he demanded for interviews with Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony."

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I'm sorry. That was tonight live. I forgot about that. That's the only time he was on live tonight though.

Thanks - I just posted the transcript on the updates thread and found it.

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Hi, Tim.

TIM MILLER, HEAD OF EQUUSEARCH, RESUMING SEARCH FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: You`re calling in to make a point. Tell me.

MILLER: Well, I mean, the point is, there`s been so much negative stuff going around here, and so much -- and you know what, I think that all in all, little Caylee has touched and broken every heart in America.

And you know, once in a while we have different personalities, we`ve got different attitudes, and unfortunately they clash at times, and then we lose our focus. And I`m just begging everybody to get their focus back on this little girl. And it`s all about Caylee.

Not about anything else. So let`s get our emotions back together and let`s get our focus back together and find this little girl.

GRACE: Tim, Tim, I got to tell you something. I would feel the same way that you`re feeling right now when I was trying cases. When you`re there with the victim`s family, and you`re working day and night, back-breaking hours, it is so hard.

And I know you, Tim Miller. You`re a crime victim yourself after the murder of your daughter. And I know that every case you handle brings that back up in some way or another. I know you went down at least eight times in the search for Natalee Holloway.

Will EquuSearch continue in the effort to find Caylee?

MILLER: You know, the positive thing that came out of Caylee that nobody really knows, Nancy, is we`ve gotten over 85 brand-new Texas EquuSearch members in Orlando that`s going to continue searching on weekends on a smaller scale.

And I told Cindy Anthony the other day, I said, you know what, one day you will realize that Caylee`s disappearance wasn`t in vain, because we are getting new members together, a whole new chapter together down here, and it`s not -- if it happens, it`s when it`s happened.

There will be people here to hit the ground running, so no parent will be alone when their child is missing.

GRACE: Well, Tim.

MILLER: Through all the bad, Nancy, that we`ve learned and, you know what, we`re more prepared for the next one.

GRACE: Tim, I know that there has been a lot of stones thrown and a lot of infighting. But you`re always welcome here. I know where your heart is. And I want to thank you for calling in.

Everybody, we`ll be right back.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/14/ng.01.html

[One2Snoop]

Well I am looking around for the interview about the bones still but I found this and it has probably already been discussed but it sounds like double spin to me. I tend to believe that he quit because of their erratic behavior LOL and he tried to make money. Imagine realizing that there is no money to be made and the folks are craaaazy! LOL "On Wednesday, a man hired to be the spokesman for Caylee's family said he quit the job because of their "erratic behavior."

Larry Garrison was retained in August to speak to the media on behalf of the Anthonys. He resigned Wednesday.

"Due to the erratic behavior over the last several months exhibited by the Anthony family, Larry Garrison is resigning as their spokesperson," he said in a prepared statement.

"It is my opinion that others have manipulated them into situations that would not dignify the family. I can no longer be part of that behavior."

Anthony family lawyer Mark Nejame laughed at the statement and said it was released minutes after Garrison learned he'd been fired, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.

Nejame said Garrison was canned for pocketing money he demanded for interviews with Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony."

Part of the circus yesterday - Garrison is secretly trying to make money off this situation and the media exposes him -

They are all crazy, IMO. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0062.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)

[applesandorange]

I want to make this clear that I am not a member of this other group but I just read on another board that I came across while searching for something that says LE took the rocks.... I'm not sure if I can post it here so I will try to summarize. They were saying that they were at Blanchard Park and seen LE take something. They also heard LE that this will take a few days maybe even a week to get the results back. Hmmm... this is of course if this is credible. But you know what? I remember watching Murt yesterday when all of this was going on and I did hear someone saying something about it taking a few days to get results back. I didn't think anything of it at the time because I wasn't sure wh owas speaking.

[applesandorange]

mu8 and o2s I pm'd both of you. Hope you don't mind.

[One2Snoop]

I want to make this clear that I am not a member of this other group but I just read on another board that I came across while searching for something that says LE took the rocks.... I'm not sure if I can post it here so I will try to summarize. They were saying that they were at Blanchard Park and seen LE take something. They also heard LE that this will take a few days maybe even a week to get the results back. Hmmm... this is of course if this is credible. But you know what? I remember watching Murt yesterday when all of this was going on and I did hear someone saying something about it taking a few days to get results back. I didn't think anything of it at the time because I wasn't sure wh owas speaking.

You can post whatever you want here and if I don't like it I'll ask admin to remove it (LOL J/K :biggrin: )

There are no restrictions as long as you provide the link. There's only one site I'm not very fond of and it begins with a W and ends with an S. I try really hard to avoid posting anything from that particular site - its a mess and unreliable IMO.

[applesandorange]

You can post whatever you want here and if I don't like it I'll ask admin to remove it (LOL J/K :biggrin: )

There are no restrictions as long as you provide the link. There's only one site I'm not very fond of and it begins with a W and ends with an S. I try really hard to avoid posting anything from that particular site - its a mess and unreliable IMO.


Okay LoL! I'll remember that. I have also heard bad things about them.

[One2Snoop]

mu8 and o2s I pm'd both of you. Hope you don't mind.

Your PM matches up with what Gator posted here yesterday about the roads being blocked etc... Please post it here for all to read - its legit and very relevant to what when on Thursday. IMO.

[applesandorange]

I can't find anything that says LE took anything away from the find yesterday. I KNOW I heard it though. Maybe NG? I know I heard it and not read it because I remember them saying they took the rocks saying they were a special name. I forget the name. If I had read it I would at least remember what it started with lol.

[One2Snoop]

I want to make this clear that I am not a member of this other group but I just read on another board that I came across while searching for something that says LE took the rocks.... I'm not sure if I can post it here so I will try to summarize. They were saying that they were at Blanchard Park and seen LE take something. They also heard LE that this will take a few days maybe even a week to get the results back. Hmmm... this is of course if this is credible. But you know what? I remember watching Murt yesterday when all of this was going on and I did hear someone saying something about it taking a few days to get results back. I didn't think anything of it at the time because I wasn't sure wh owas speaking.

One other thing - we don't have any rule here that you can't belong to another forum - I belong to at least half a dozen - This is my main hangout and I don't post at the other sites very often due to time restraints but its nice to get others perspectives and I hope when I read elsewhere we're all on the same page regarding the information thats coming in. :patriot:

[mu8shark]

Your PM matches up with what Gator posted here yesterday about the roads being blocked etc... Please post it here for all to read - its legit and very relevant to what when on Thursday. IMO. Thanks for the pm. I saw Gators post too. I also went back and looked at Nancys transcript and the diver who seemed very knowledgeable said they were bones , nothing about rocks. Besides who weights down rocks in a bag. I wonder about this, I really do. It might be nothing but I think LE did not make the decision it was nothing in fifteen minutes like they said. I can't see this diver in on some plot to plant things or make up a story for publicity, I really can't.I think he was sincere in what he thought he found.

[mu8shark]

You can post whatever you want here and if I don't like it I'll ask admin to remove it (LOL J/K Snoop you are a lil devil with that sense of humor LOL

[applesandorange]

I was there at Jay Blanchard today, sister in law called me at work and I just got off. I work about 2 miles form Jay Blanchard and i went over there... LE did take something..I also heard talk that it would take about 3-5 days maybe even a week to get back results of what it is. And also this was bout 3:00 i got there by 4:00 police were guarding both entrances not letting anyone else in there.. They let people leave but not go in. IMO they were saying (that this has been in the water for a long time) I dont see anyone planting anything over a period of a week then LE saying its been there for a long time, and also I dont see anyone taking a family pet putting it in a black bag and using any kind of bricks or rocks to weigh it down ... just bury it in your back yard..Y not Casey did at some point and time...IMO.

Here it is. I belong to 1 other board but this isn't from there. I just wasn't sure if you were allowed to put posts from other boards. I knew we were allowed to be members of other boards but wasn't sure about the posting rule. Thanks for helping me out. I too thought it was credible due to what Gator posted yesterday but am so glad I got both of your opinions first.

[applesandorange]

Wouldn't this suck so bad if this was something LE kept close to the vest until the trial? It would come out in discovery though right?

[One2Snoop]

You can post whatever you want here and if I don't like it I'll ask admin to remove it (LOL J/K Snoop you are a lil devil with that sense of humor LOL

Teee heeeee! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0042.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-cool-smileys.php) http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0203.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-scared-smileys.php)

[applesandorange]

Teee heeeee! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0042.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-cool-smileys.php) http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0203.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-scared-smileys.php)

LoL! I LOVE your sense of humor!

[One2Snoop]

Wouldn't this suck so bad if this was something LE kept close to the vest until the trial? It would come out in discovery though right?


I think you guys are right about LE being upset about yesterdays events - they didn't find it - its possible they're putting on this show to cover this find - in all honesty though, I'm not sure why they would keep it a secret unless it truely is something that helps solve Caylee's disappearance. Let's think about it - Why else would they make Padilla take a lie detector test? :eek: :confused:

[applesandorange]

I think you guys are right about LE being upset about yesterdays events - they didn't find it - its possible they're putting on this show to cover this find - in all honesty though, I'm not sure why they would keep it a secret unless it truely is something that helps solve Caylee's disappearance. Let's think about it - Why else would they make Padilla take a lie detector test? :eek:

Yeah I don't know. I guess time will tell. Could be I'm just insane like I said before lol. Things just don't add up to me. Well I'm going to bed now. I have my baby's birthday party tomorrow. He's turning 4!! I gotta get SOME sleep for it lol. Have a good night ladies.:beer:

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for the pm. I saw Gators post too. I also went back and looked at Nancys transcript and the diver who seemed very knowledgeable said they were bones , nothing about rocks. Besides who weights down rocks in a bag. I wonder about this, I really do. It might be nothing but I think LE did not make the decision it was nothing in fifteen minutes like they said. I can't see this diver in on some plot to plant things or make up a story for publicity, I really can't.I think he was sincere in what he thought he found.

Very true - who weighs down rocks? :shrug: An animal is possible as I mentioned above but I find that also very unlikely - had to throw that thought out there though. I see others were thinking the same thing.

I can't see Padilla planting either and ruining his career - that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hmmmmm http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0006.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-sad-smileys.php) somethings definitely up....

[One2Snoop]

Yeah I don't know. I guess time will tell. Could be I'm just insane like I said before lol. Things just don't add up to me. Well I'm going to bed now. I have my baby's birthday party tomorrow. He's turning 4!! I gotta get SOME sleep for it lol. Have a good night ladies.:beer:

LOL - You're not insane - we're all just thinking out loud here and we're all thinking the same thing - something ain't right here.

:rose: Happy Birthday to your little one - g'night. :seeya:

[sharlock]

All the speculation about Padilla's polygraph is bs...LE was bent out of shape because they felt the media was called first, they said as much in their brief statement. The media was already there ~ they called their offices when the bag was found, and the troops showed up immediately. Padilla called LE and the FBI upon the discovery. As he said with a shrug " I took it ~ I'm not afraid of a polygraph".

This has become a battle of EGOS and fingerpointing. LE discounting the toys and leaving them with the divers? I know what I would say to that if God Forbid it was MY child. :no: Their judgment is being clouded by a swirl of venom and heresay.

Seems NG has taken a chill pill...I applaud how she handled Tim last night. Lenonard Padilla never once said a derogatory comment to any of those who were belittling him on national tv. His eyes, though, told the story... but he handled himself with class.

So, while Casey Anthony munches on crab and shrimp, reads her books, and takes catnaps, people are clawing at each other to answer the most important question...

WHERE IS CAYLEE??

:rose:


a thought...It is blacker than black where the divers are searching...with their hands and fairly primitive tools...sorry, but I think there is no way to really find her, if she is there, with these conditions unless they are really LUCKY. It's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The only consolation is that AT LEAST THEY ARE TRYING.
I still hold out hope that they might find something and I have heard there are still small searches going on in other areas as well. It's been over a month now though so you are right a certain amount of luck will be involved.

[sharlock]

The sonar will pick up a bag IF it is above the surface of the silt and mud at the bottom. I have used what is called a "fish finder" that works off of a sonar. Doesn't find fish as much as it shows you irreglarities on the bottom of the lake or river. If the trash bag is on the bottom and isn't covered over it will show up. The divers were hunting under the silt and mud and that is where they found the bag.

A sonar works off of sound waves. That is why some people do not like the Navy using their sonar close to whales. They say the sound waves disturb the whales. It is a high frequency sound that you would not hear. It travels a great distance underwater and that is why it is used. With the right equipment, it will give you tremendous "pictures" of what the bottom looks like and any objects are underwater. It is a great tool in murky water but it isn't the answer to every situation. Objects must be out from under the sand, silt and mud to be seen.

Hope that helped. I know they don't help me catch fish but it isn't the sonar's fault. I just ain't a great fisherman.
Thanks Deacon, I am a little concerned about the reaction from Tim although I am sure that in his heart he beleives the river to be cleared I can't see the harm in double checking.

[BentNotBroken]

has the date been set for her trial yet?

[sharlock]

I think you guys are right about LE being upset about yesterdays events - they didn't find it - its possible they're putting on this show to cover this find - in all honesty though, I'm not sure why they would keep it a secret unless it truely is something that helps solve Caylee's disappearance. Let's think about it - Why else would they make Padilla take a lie detector test? :eek: :confused:
I considered this when I first heard how quickly LE wrote off the find and requested a lie detector test from LP but the one thing that makes it not ring truee for me is that they left the toys with the divers. If they considered they might have something then you would think that they would take all of the bags contents?:confused:

[sharlock]

has the date been set for her trial yet?
I don't think so I remember the defense where asking for a delay.

[BentNotBroken]

has a date been set yet for her trial?

[BentNotBroken]

oops, I hit refresh and it double posted.

[BentNotBroken]

well, now is crucial time for the prosecuters. All this extra media attention and arguing is helping the defense.

[Woostock]

I just read that Cindy is planning to write a book...Can you imagine anyone even reading a book by Cindy? Maybe she could better spend her time getting her sociopath daughter to come clean and tell where the body is.

[BentNotBroken]

thats sad and sick. All about money. They will make money. They will make millions from a book deal. Well, I hope she has the decency to donate the proceeds to a charity, and not profit off this tragedy. Sharon rocha wrote a book about laci, but she did that for Laci, and donated the profits.

[TLC]

Isn't pretrial early Dec and Jan 05 her trial date?

[One2Snoop]

Isn't pretrial early Dec and Jan 05 her trial date?

Thats what I think to TLC -

ETA:

A judge was asked to consider putting aside the check-fraud case until she's faced trial on murder charges involving the death of her daughter. The judge said it would be taken under advisement.

Another pretrial hearing is also scheduled for Dec. 11 in that case.

-----------------------------

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The mental health of Casey Anthony, who has been charged with first-degree murder in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee, could be the key to determining her fate, according to a Local 6 News report.

Anthony, 22, remains jailed and is scheduled to go to trial in January.

Both articles found on page 23 of the updates thread....
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291264&page=23

[lorettalockhorn]

First things first; Happy BDay to a&o's baby!

Re: the other boards, FH2O used to have a rule that we could post from other boards, but not from blogs. I don't even think I've seen a terms of service since TruTV took over. Not sure what the reasoning was, but I would agree with one thing from the old TOS, it's nice to have a link posted to online information.

To be honest, I've wondered about the LD test for LP, and it did occur to me that the find could be a hoax or planted, but it's also occurred to me that maybe it's in relation to something else completely. Whatever was in the bag; shamrock or Gumby, bones or rocks, if it was under four feet of silt, it's probably been there for some time.

Tim said last night that there are 85(?) TES searchers in the Orlando area now. God forbid that they are necessary for another search, especially of this magnitude, but am so glad that they continue looking for Caylee!

Edited to say: Not much more impressed with Henry Lee than I am with Jose Baez.

[applesandorange]

Thanks to everyone who sent happy birthday wishes to my little boy. He had a very nice birthday. He got lots of nice presents including a desk that he can sit at and color, coloring books, crayons, story books, a game, lincoln logs, bath soap in the form of animals, peanut butter cups (his favorite), clothes, and a mustang power wheel. He was outside most of the day driving his new stang lol. He had a Steelers birthday cake, pizza, chips, dip and pretzels. He had a wonderful day and is now resting on the sofa watching Toy Story.

This makes me think about Caylee and how she will never get to have another happy birthday and enjoy turning a year older. :rose: for Caylee

[deputydi]

After watching and reading about this case, I cant help but feel sorry for Casey's parents, yet clearly it was the mother who started the panic and the lynch mob mentality from day one. Why did she suspect the smell in the car was evident that a "dead body" was causing it? She seemed to be crying out against her daughter and yet, she doesn't want it to be true now. If she didn't make that 911 call, we wouldn't know about the disappearance of Caylee at all.

JMO
Most of us have said this, but it is still a puzzle. She wanted her daughter arrested for stealing her car, she said "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damned car", Casey told her Caylee had been missing for a month but she didn't bother to tell anyone and for some reason she is back peddling.

I feel sorry for Cindy and George too -- I can't imagine how painful this must be but I'll never understand them.

[deputydi]

THis Casey character is very strong. Sociopaths can always convince the unconvincable people of just about anything. If the child is found deceased she will convince her parents that anyone could have killed her. She will play victim until the day she herself dies. Nothing new under the sun with this type of mental disorder. What's needed in this case is strong evidence. I don't see any, so far. It's all circumstantial. No proof that she cause the child to die. I'm glad I'm not on that jury. This is going to be extraordinarily difficult to prove.
I don't think it's going to be all that hard to prove. The evidence may be all circumstantial, but it's pretty compelling.

[Woostock]

People have been convicted on circumstantial evidence. I just hope LE has enough to at least convict Casey to life in prison. Maybe not the D.P.
I think Cindy is over the top but in a way I can see that she really needs to believe Casey's story. Otherwise, she would have to face the fact that for a very long time Casey had fabricated, work, babysitter, etc. and the parents bought it hook line and sinker. No phone numbers, pay checks, addresses, etc just not normal. Living with a sociopath is not an easy thing. You need to be one step ahead of them all the time and you can not let them get away with all their lies. It's a heck of a lot of work but the alternatives are worse.

[Spider]

I am still new here so will need your kind folks patience. I have a question or two that has probably been answered about a hundred times already but here goes:

When exactly did Casey change her story from dropping her daughter off to someone kidnapping her? Did she tell this to LE? I couldn't find anything in the interviews and such. Has LE point blank told Casey about the DNA evidence in the car and asked her who's dead body was there if not her daughter?

Also, where the dingdangitty is Lee? Did he ever submit to DNA and a lie detector test? I know, I am lagging behind but have been followthing the clustermuck for a while now.

Can't someone legally bind and gag Cindy? She should have to be accountable for obstruction of justice along with Casey at some point.

Thanks!

[One2Snoop]

I am still new here so will need your kind folks patience. I have a question or two that has probably been answered about a hundred times already but here goes:

When exactly did Casey change her story from dropping her daughter off to someone kidnapping her? Did she tell this to LE? I couldn't find anything in the interviews and such. Has LE point blank told Casey about the DNA evidence in the car and asked her who's dead body was there if not her daughter?

Also, where the dingdangitty is Lee? Did he ever submit to DNA and a lie detector test? I know, I am lagging behind but have been followthing the clustermuck for a while now.

Can't someone legally bind and gag Cindy? She should have to be accountable for obstruction of justice along with Casey at some point.

Thanks!

Hi spider and welcome -

I believe Casey changed her story within the first few hours she talked to Detectives/LE. copy of Casey's handwritten statement..
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1473802/Statement---Casey-Anthony-Written-2008-0715

here's the pdf from the original police report/narrative...
http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/files/caseyanthony02.pdf

The DNA evidence was released on Aug.1, 2008 - I'm sure Baez made her fully aware of the evidence released.

Here's the report on the DNA...
http://media.myfoxorlando.com/documents/Forensic_Report.pdf

Don't know where Lee is - haven't seen anything posted elsewhere either other than people asking the same question, "Where is Lee". I don't believe he ever submitted to either DNA or the LDT. No one in the Anthony family has taken a LDT that I'm aware of.

Can't someone legally bind and gag Cindy? She should have to be accountable for obstruction of justice along with Casey at some point.

If only someone would - don't know about the obstruction charge.

[One2Snoop]

Search For Caylee Resumes Monday
Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:20:14 PM

ORLANDO -- They have called it quits for the weekend, but two search efforts for missing toddler Caylee Anthony are scheduled to resume early Monday morning.

Volunteers with the Kid Finders Network manned their tent in Orange county for about an hour Sunday.

Along with Caylee Anthony, Kid Finders said they are also continuing the search for other missing children, including Trenton Duckett and Jennifer Kesse.

Kid Finders officials said they are always in need of both money and volunteers. The group has found itself short of donations, and have had to scale back its efforts in the its search for Caylee.

Caylee's grandparents, Cindy and George Anthony, were at the Kid Finders Network command center Saturday, displaying posters and getting the word out about the missing 3-year-old.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla also called off his search for the weekend, saying he plans to be back in the water in Blanchard Park Monday morning.

The Anthonys have criticized Padilla and other groups for searching for a body instead of searching as if Caylee was alive.

Cindy Anthony also said she hopes writing a book would guide people in similar situations through what she has been through as she searches for her granddaughter.

"Two years down the road, once Caylee's back home safe, and her life's back to normal, and our life's back to normal, if I can help someone in any way, and jot everything down, that I've learned, you know, that's where it is," Cindy Anthony said.

The Kid Finders Network plans to hold a conference Monday on the search for Caylee.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/16/cindy_anthony_plans_book.html

[Woostock]

Old Soul
You really hit the nail on the head. She should write a book "mistakes I made when living with a sociopath" But first she would have to admit she made mistakes in trusting her daughter and not making contact with Caylee for almost a month. She needed to be right on top of the situation, afterall she knew what Casey was about; that's the only book she should write.

[One2Snoop]

Well now Cindy, which is it? :confused:

Cindy Anthony tells WESH she's not writing a book
posted by halboedeker on Nov 16, 2008 1:04:24 PM

What's up with Cindy Anthony? The story keeps changing.

"I'm not writing a book. I don't know where people get stuff," the mother of Casey Anthony told WESH-Channel 2 in a report Sautrday.

The stuff comes from Cindy Anthony. WFTV-Channel 9 on Friday reported that Cindy plans to write a book about the story of missing granddaughter Caylee Anthony. "She [Cindy] told us no matter what happens in the end, she is expecting to write a book about the family's ordeal," Kathi Belich reported.

In the WFTV report, Cindy Anthony could be heard saying, "I will want to tell my side of things, what happened and how all of this should not happen to other families."

Also on Saturday, Cindy Anthony confirmed that Casey is countersuing Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. Cindy Anthony told WKMG-Channel 6 that Fernandez-Gonzalez's suit against Casey is "truly frivolous."

But Fernandez-Gonzalez's lawyer, John Morgan, said Casey Anthony ruined his client's reputation by using her name as that of the baby sitter to Caylee.

Morgan added that Fernandez-Gonzalez "looks forward to sitting across from her [Casey] in the deposition while she looks her in the eye and begins the process of reclaiming her good name."

That story could be a chapter in the book anyone decides to write about the Casey Anthony case.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/cindy-anthony-t.html

[One2Snoop]

Check out the title of this video! :eek:

Video
The News Loves Missing White Girls!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1873822856?bctid=1870843211

Larry Garrison and The IFC Media Project, debuts at 8 p.m Tuesday on IFC:
This six-episode series excavates the messages behind news coverage, exploring media fascination with missing white children by profiling Larry Garrison, a spokesman for the grandparents of Caylee Anthony, the missing Orlando area child. IFC's piece explores how Garrison acts as a story broker, pushing news outlets to cover the child's disappearance. It's a timely story; Garrison just parted ways with the Anthony family — they say he was fired, he says he quit — over allegations the broker took $6,500 from NBC for getting an interview and photos from the family.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/article903757.ece

[One2Snoop]

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New Spokesperson and Cindy Anthony: "Caylee is Still Alive"

November 15, 2008 - 7:49PM

So why hold out on information that could lead to Caylee being found alive now?

Cindy Anthony and the Kid Finders Network are getting ready for a meet and greet. Michelle Bart, their new spokesperson, has organized the evant.

"I believe it's important for the community to get to know the Anthony family on a different level," Bart said.

Bart thinks the family will surprise you.

"They're down to earth... approachable... very honest," Bart said.

Cindy Anthony feels the time for this couldn't be better. Since thousands of folks helped search last weekend and didn't find Caylee in the woods, she's hoping they start entertaining the thought that her three year-old granddaughter is still alive.

"We want to let them know that we're not giving up looking for her. We're going to continue efforts looking for her. We're going to continue the efforts that we've had from the very beginning. So if anyone want to come out and see what we're all about, that's what we're here for," Cindy Anthony said.

Monday, Bart plans to hold a news conference to show evidence that Caylee is still alive. Bart says several leads placed Caylee at Orlando International Airport.

"We have many tips that she's been there. Many tips that have led us to believe it was during a three day period that she had been seen by many people," said Bart.

So why hold out on information that could lead to Caylee alive now?

"Because we don't want to lose the opportunity... that's why. We want to make sure our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed."
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710762___article.html/bart_family.html

[One2Snoop]

Is that your take on this case? You think she's protecting herself from Caylee's kidnappers? Just checking to be sure I read this right..

I think Loretta was just being facetious in her response.

[lorettalockhorn]

Is that your take on this case? You think she's protecting herself from Caylee's kidnappers? Just checking to be sure I read this right..

Noooooo Just the Ant's answer to where Caylee is and why Casey isn't talking. But in the meantime, we're supposed to believe Cindy's assertions that WTH has Caylee is dragging her around to McDonald's, etc. I'm on the record for Casey deserving the death penalty and Cindy deserving to be charged with obstruction of justice, deserving a gag order, and deserving to be charged with felony stupidity.

[applesandorange]

Search For Caylee Resumes Monday
Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:20:14 PM

ORLANDO -- They have called it quits for the weekend, but two search efforts for missing toddler Caylee Anthony are scheduled to resume early Monday morning.

Volunteers with the Kid Finders Network manned their tent in Orange county for about an hour Sunday.

Along with Caylee Anthony, Kid Finders said they are also continuing the search for other missing children, including Trenton Duckett and Jennifer Kesse.

Kid Finders officials said they are always in need of both money and volunteers. The group has found itself short of donations, and have had to scale back its efforts in the its search for Caylee.

Caylee's grandparents, Cindy and George Anthony, were at the Kid Finders Network command center Saturday, displaying posters and getting the word out about the missing 3-year-old.

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla also called off his search for the weekend, saying he plans to be back in the water in Blanchard Park Monday morning.

The Anthonys have criticized Padilla and other groups for searching for a body instead of searching as if Caylee was alive.

Cindy Anthony also said she hopes writing a book would guide people in similar situations through what she has been through as she searches for her granddaughter.

"Two years down the road, once Caylee's back home safe, and her life's back to normal, and our life's back to normal, if I can help someone in any way, and jot everything down, that I've learned, you know, that's where it is," Cindy Anthony said.

The Kid Finders Network plans to hold a conference Monday on the search for Caylee.


http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/16/cindy_anthony_plans_book.html


I'm glad that LP is resuming the dive search tomorrow. At least somebody in this case is staying active and looking.

[applesandorange]

Well now Cindy, which is it? :confused:

Cindy Anthony tells WESH she's not writing a book
posted by halboedeker on Nov 16, 2008 1:04:24 PM

What's up with Cindy Anthony? The story keeps changing.

"I'm not writing a book. I don't know where people get stuff," the mother of Casey Anthony told WESH-Channel 2 in a report Sautrday.

The stuff comes from Cindy Anthony. WFTV-Channel 9 on Friday reported that Cindy plans to write a book about the story of missing granddaughter Caylee Anthony. "She [Cindy] told us no matter what happens in the end, she is expecting to write a book about the family's ordeal," Kathi Belich reported.

In the WFTV report, Cindy Anthony could be heard saying, "I will want to tell my side of things, what happened and how all of this should not happen to other families."

Also on Saturday, Cindy Anthony confirmed that Casey is countersuing Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. Cindy Anthony told WKMG-Channel 6 that Fernandez-Gonzalez's suit against Casey is "truly frivolous."

But Fernandez-Gonzalez's lawyer, John Morgan, said Casey Anthony ruined his client's reputation by using her name as that of the baby sitter to Caylee.

Morgan added that Fernandez-Gonzalez "looks forward to sitting across from her [Casey] in the deposition while she looks her in the eye and begins the process of reclaiming her good name."

That story could be a chapter in the book anyone decides to write about the Casey Anthony case.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/11/cindy-anthony-t.html


Just more proof that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree IMO.

[Woostock]

I am not surprised that Cindy is using the fact that the searches are not showing any signs of Caylee and using that to corrorborate her theory that Caylee is somewhere around the airport. She just sounds more stupid every day! The best thing anyone can do in myopinion is to ignore her and not give her any opportunity to give her drivel. And where is Lee in all this????

[Avad1228]

I just heard last night about this book deal OMG-- she has got to be kidding. I imagine they have legal fees up the ying-yang or maybe alot of these are pro bono, I dont really know. I just cannot imagine she can be of any help to anyone including herself. I am pretty sure she will hurt her daughters case not help. Of course she is using the fact that no body has been recovered to say Caylee is alive which we all know is bs. A little body in Florida missing this long is probally almost impossible to find. The weather and the animals are alot to overcome. I think they should arrest the mother so she can not profit form this crime, maybe that is only for the murderer but she cannot make millions--she is an a22, the universe will be off kilter if this happens.

[Gatordog]

Okay folks, couldn't wait to get back to work so I could post. I met the Anthonys on Saturday at their meet and greet. I left the bat at home and went in the most compassionate attitude I could muster. I'll post in a little bit about that adventure, but I can tell you that Cindy is as nasty in person as she is on TV.

The latest is that today, TODAY, the Anthonys (probably loudmouth Cindy), are going to hold a press conference and release their information as to why they believe Caylee was taken and why she is alive. We'll see. Just like they were supposed to be on Nancy Grace. HAH! Let's keep an eye out for that piece of fiction. I think someone's nose is going to grow again today... Cindy. Maybe that's why it was bruised the other day, it grew too much.

I haven't read the posts yet but you've probably heard that Casey is countersuing Zanaida for bringing on a frivilous lawsuit against her. The reporter actually said this morning that it was probably a legal mistake because now Casey will have to be deposed.

Had to go down to Boynton Beach yesterday. It's about 15 minutes from Coral Springs. I had my eyes open for those pesky kidnappers.

Oh and before I forget to mention this, Grandma Cindy is already thinking of writing a book. She says she'll do it later when Caylee is home and this is all behind her. But we know better. She is probably penning it right now. Funny thing is she herself talked about it on the news Friday. When she was asked about it by a reporter on Saturday, she asked "Where did you get that idea?"
Then she must have remembered saying it so she fessed up.

Gator

[NMurphy02]

Sharon Rocha had the public's sympathy and always handled herself w/ dignity and class during a very trying time. I find Cindy annoying and hard to root for. She attacks EVERYONE and quite frankly I wouldn't pay a dime for a book she wrote. Just like I wouldn't pay a dime if Scott Peterson's mom wrote a book. Sorry.....just couldn't/can't.

[Gatordog]

I am still new here so will need your kind folks patience. I have a question or two that has probably been answered about a hundred times already but here goes:

When exactly did Casey change her story from dropping her daughter off to someone kidnapping her? Did she tell this to LE? I couldn't find anything in the interviews and such. Has LE point blank told Casey about the DNA evidence in the car and asked her who's dead body was there if not her daughter?

Also, where the dingdangitty is Lee? Did he ever submit to DNA and a lie detector test? I know, I am lagging behind but have been followthing the clustermuck for a while now.

Can't someone legally bind and gag Cindy? She should have to be accountable for obstruction of justice along with Casey at some point.

Thanks!

This may have been answered already but I believe that Casey never told the police about the Blanchard Park kidnapping. She told that story to her parents. She told them that Caylee was taken by Zaniada and her sister at Jay Blanchard Park and that Zanaida gave her a script for 30 days as to what to say when she was asked about Caylee. Cindy fell for it.

[Gatordog]

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New Spokesperson and Cindy Anthony: "Caylee is Still Alive"

November 15, 2008 - 7:49PM

So why hold out on information that could lead to Caylee being found alive now?

Cindy Anthony and the Kid Finders Network are getting ready for a meet and greet. Michelle Bart, their new spokesperson, has organized the evant.

"I believe it's important for the community to get to know the Anthony family on a different level," Bart said.

Bart thinks the family will surprise you.

"They're down to earth... approachable... very honest," Bart said.

Cindy Anthony feels the time for this couldn't be better. Since thousands of folks helped search last weekend and didn't find Caylee in the woods, she's hoping they start entertaining the thought that her three year-old granddaughter is still alive.

"We want to let them know that we're not giving up looking for her. We're going to continue efforts looking for her. We're going to continue the efforts that we've had from the very beginning. So if anyone want to come out and see what we're all about, that's what we're here for," Cindy Anthony said.

Monday, Bart plans to hold a news conference to show evidence that Caylee is still alive. Bart says several leads placed Caylee at Orlando International Airport.

"We have many tips that she's been there. Many tips that have led us to believe it was during a three day period that she had been seen by many people," said Bart.

So why hold out on information that could lead to Caylee alive now?

"Because we don't want to lose the opportunity... that's why. We want to make sure our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed."
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710762___article.html/bart_family.html


Okay everyone, get the bread because here comes the baloney. :punch:

Gator

[joekuhl79]

Old Soul
You really hit the nail on the head. She should write a book "mistakes I made when living with a sociopath" But first she would have to admit she made mistakes in trusting her daughter and not making contact with Caylee for almost a month. She needed to be right on top of the situation, afterall she knew what Casey was about; that's the only book she should write.

What about "Denial for Dummies"?

[lorettalockhorn]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla has left Central Florida. Eyewitness News spoke with Padilla Monday morning to confirm that he's back in California where he says he will take a lie detector test.....

Padilla also said he'd like to send divers into the water again later this week.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17996311/detail.html

Why is the LD being administered in Cali??

[Brainstorm]

Sharon Rocha had the public's sympathy and always handled herself w/ dignity and class during a very trying time. I find Cindy annoying and hard to root for. She attacks EVERYONE and quite frankly I wouldn't pay a dime for a book she wrote. Just like I wouldn't pay a dime if Scott Peterson's mom wrote a book. Sorry.....just couldn't/can't.

What about "Denial for Dummies"?

Gator!!! Thanks for being our eyes and ears down there!!! dont know if I could have been in the same air space with her, without spitting nails.Good for you, tho. Thanks for caring and then coming here to share with us!!

ITA,NMurphy. That book Sharon wrote is the ONLY book I cared to read about that horrible ordeal. She is one classy lady who kept it real.
on the other hand,Cindy is a dam fruit loop and she shouldnt even embarrass
herself anymore with these outlandish outbursts.

Good one joe, Denial for Dummies !!!
she could also consider, "Raising HELL"
or "I love you to death,then you're on your own"
or "My Babys' Daddy,George or Lucifer?"

okay,I'll stop,but that b/i/t/c/h needs a big ole dose of REALITY.
imho

[lorettalockhorn]

"Hopefully, by the end of the week the public will understand why we've been searching for Caylee Marie," Bart said. "We truly believe that Caylee Marie is alive."

She said the Anthonys will have little to say after the news conference unless there are new developments. Bart said she doesn't think they need to be available for comment on a daily basis.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caseyspoke1708nov17,0,5583538.story

[TLC]

When is the news conference? is anybody taping to post on you tube if possible?

[lorettalockhorn]

When is the news conference? is anybody taping to post on you tube if possible?

Not sure when:

Bart said a press conference will be held later this week, when the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive.

"We thought it necessary to wait for the Anthony's attorney, Mark (NeJame), to get back from his trip, so we could have a panel of all those involved ... that the media will want to ask questions to," Bart said.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7878122&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[deacon]

I think you guys are right about LE being upset about yesterdays events - they didn't find it - its possible they're putting on this show to cover this find - in all honesty though, I'm not sure why they would keep it a secret unless it truely is something that helps solve Caylee's disappearance. Let's think about it - Why else would they make Padilla take a lie detector test? :eek: :confused:

Or, they put on the show to give them time to find out exactly what those "rocks/bones" were. A few days, 5 or so, would be about the time it would take to do a DNA test on them, I think. I still think there is more to this than we know.

[abbra]

If Caylee is alive like the Anthonys believe and " Casey " believes then why don't they go get her. Surely they must know how to reach the people who supposedly took Caylee since it was only a babysitter/nanny. Wait! That apartment where Caylee was supposedly being cared for in didn't have any renter for months and why didn't Casey Anthony go with Caylee up to the apartment to chat with the sitter when she dropped Caylee off. What mother in their right mind would let a 2 year old walk up to an apartment by herself to a supposed baby sitters place?
Where is the FBI in all of this? Why aren't they searching for Caylee or trying to reach the babysitter? Why aren't Cindy and George trying to reach the babysitter? According to different airlines no such child was seen boarding flights out of Florida... with anyone.

I say put Casey Anthony in general population in jail and let them gals take care of her. Then perhaps everyone will find out what really happened to Caylee. SO much for your high living Casey... You will be looking at bars for a long long time if you don't get the death penalty or an inmate doesn't get to you before then.

[Justice Denied?]

After watching and reading about this case, I cant help but feel sorry for Casey's parents, yet clearly it was the mother who started the panic and the lynch mob mentality from day one. Why did she suspect the smell in the car was evident that a "dead body" was causing it? She seemed to be crying out against her daughter and yet, she doesn't want it to be true now. If she didn't make that 911 call, we wouldn't know about the disappearance of Caylee at all.

JMO

Does anyone recall exactly when Cindy changed her tune? At first, she was demanding that Casey be arrested and that the car smelled like a dead body. She stated publically that she wasn't sure of the amount of Casey's involvement and told GVS right at the beginning that if Casey was involved, she belonged in jail.

It seemed like she and George were co-operating with the police at first. Yet, she washed clothes found in the car and tried to air it out.

When did they start acting like they believe Casey and why?

[joekuhl79]

Not sure when:

Bart said a press conference will be held later this week, when the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive.

"We thought it necessary to wait for the Anthony's attorney, Mark (NeJame), to get back from his trip, so we could have a panel of all those involved ... that the media will want to ask questions to," Bart said.



"...the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive."

Do the Anthonys realize that there are likely thousands upon thousands of three year old brunette girls in this country (and Mexico and Puerto Rico, too), who, when wearing a hat, surely looks enough like Caylee to cause even Casey to do a doubletake? They consider that a credible lead?

Has anyone confronted the Anthonys and asked if they know the details of the DNA evidence in the trunk? When confronted with this, do they close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and sing "I can't hear you! I can't hear you! LA LA LA LA!"

This family drives me so friggin nuts! Though I've been reading all, I haven't posted in a while because I didn't want to rant on and on, but here I am! LOL!

I still like my idea from when Casey was on home arrest still:

"Make" one of these leads pan out...get a girl that matches Caylee so closely that it would fool even Casey. Announce the news - "She's found!" - arrange the meeting. Guaranteed result - Casey is not at all enthusiastic because she knows it can't be Caylee.

[joekuhl79]

Does anyone recall exactly when Cindy changed her tune? At first, she was demanding that Casey be arrested and that the car smelled like a dead body. She stated publically that she wasn't sure of the amount of Casey's involvement and told GVS right at the beginning that if Casey was involved, she belonged in jail.

It seemed like she and George were co-operating with the police at first. Yet, she washed clothes found in the car and tried to air it out.

When did they start acting like they believe Casey and why?

IMO, when faced with the possibility that Casey actually did something to Caylee...at first, they were mad at her because they haven't seen Caylee and likely thought that she was hiding Caylee from them out of spite. When the truth started to become apparent, I think they ('they' being Cindy and the p-whipped George) figured if Caylee is gone, they don't want Casey to be gone too.

I honestly believe the airing-out the of car and washing of the clothes was done before the gravity of what had actually happened hit them...

[applesandorange]

"...the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive."

Do the Anthonys realize that there are likely thousands upon thousands of three year old brunette girls in this country (and Mexico and Puerto Rico, too), who, when wearing a hat, surely looks enough like Caylee to cause even Casey to do a doubletake? They consider that a credible lead?

Has anyone confronted the Anthonys and asked if they know the details of the DNA evidence in the trunk? When confronted with this, do they close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and sing "I can't hear you! I can't hear you! LA LA LA LA!"

This family drives me so friggin nuts! Though I've been reading all, I haven't posted in a while because I didn't want to rant on and on, but here I am! LOL!

I still like my idea from when Casey was on home arrest still:

"Make" one of these leads pan out...get a girl that matches Caylee so closely that it would fool even Casey. Announce the news - "She's found!" - arrange the meeting. Guaranteed result - Casey is not at all enthusiastic because she knows it can't be Caylee.

I like your idea but I think Casey would probably just go along with it. She's so used to lying she'd probably be saying to herself "see I know I couldn't have really killed her"

[TLC]

Not sure when:

Bart said a press conference will be held later this week, when the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive.

"We thought it necessary to wait for the Anthony's attorney, Mark (NeJame), to get back from his trip, so we could have a panel of all those involved ... that the media will want to ask questions to," Bart said.


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7878122&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Thank you!

Does anyone remember early on - I think it was George who stated they knew who the kidnappers were and they were being watched. No more about that. Surely if so - the LE would be the ones to watch them, or PI's at the least.

[Gatordog]

Let me tell you about my wonderful meeting with Cindy Anthongy. I'll try not to be long winded. Saturday 2:30 p.m. I drove down Goldenrod and saw the tent. There were no visitors there only six or seven volunteers. I stopped because I felt that their comments regarding the publics lack of interest and not wanting to find a live Caylee were unwarranted. I didn't see the Anthonys there. I spoke to the woman of Kidfinders and asked what they wanted the public to do - knock on every door and demand entrance to examine the house for Caylee? I said that if I'm at the mall or restaurant, and I see a little girl, I look but I'm not going to call the police everytime I see a child. What they are asking of the public seems unreasonable. Well we're talking for a while and she says to me, here are two people I want you to meet and there they were. I was kind of surprised. Mrs. Milstadt told them that I stopped because I feel the public has been insulted due to comments about us not caring and that what are we supposed to do? First thing I said was how sorry I was for their situation. Well Cindy starts telling me that the media is only interested in searching for a dead child. She's going on and on and then, she grabbed my hand. Don't ask me why but I immediately pulled it back and said don't touch me. It was like being touched by a rat or something. I said pointing to Mr. Anthony he's okay, but I don't want you to touch me. Well, she went ballistic. Yelling at me that I wanted that child to be dead that I wasn't interested in Caylee being alive. She really was getting scarey. So I said to don't yell at me. I want Caylee to come home. Everyone wants Caylee to come home. Then she went on that I should look good at that picture because I'm wishing her dead. I started to cry. I said that's the last thing I want and everyone wants her to come home. She just wouldn't listen and kept screaming. I tried to talk calmly to her but she was acting just like she did to the people outside her house. Mr. Anthony was standing back and just looked at my so sadly and then looked to the ground. I tried again to tell her she was wrong and then I looked at him and said "You can't get through to her. She doesn't listen". He just slightly shook his head and then walked away. Cindy was going on and on about their information that she's alive and that they have details why she's alive. I was so upset I couldn't say anything because I didn't want to get George upset by me saying anything that was negative about his rotten daughter. I was angry at the KidFinders people because they treated me like I did something wrong. I told them I did nothing wrong. I go to George and tell him that I was sorry for his situation and that everyone want Caylee to come home. I told him that so many people are praying for her and for him. I did tell him that I thought he was a good man and that I would do anything to help him get her back but that because of his wife, no one wants to help. He nodded his head in understanding and I left it at that.

I went to my car and was followed by the news spokesperson. She really wanted to talk to me and I told her point blank, that Cindy doesn't help her cause. She is alienating the people who can help her. I said I wouldn't lift a finger to help that woman. She said she understood how things have been and that she's there to help. I said I felt so sorry for the situation they are in considering everything that is involved and all and that I wouldn't want to trade places with then for $10 million. Then the spokeswoman told me that they were supposed to be on Nancy Grace but they backed out because of all the negative publicity and that there is going to be a press conference on Monday where they will give all the details as to why Caylee is alive and what they have been doing to find her. She said "Caylee is going to come home and Casey is going to come home too". At that I said, "Don't even go there. I purposely didn't bring her up. She is where she belongs if for nothing more than her stealing."

So now I hear that there won't be a press conference afterall and that they are going to do it later in the week. Now all you people who are surprised by that, raise your hands. Umph, thought so.;)

[Gatordog]

When is the news conference? is anybody taping to post on you tube if possible?

Seeing is believing. I'm not holding my breath for any news conference.

[Gatordog]

Does anyone recall exactly when Cindy changed her tune? At first, she was demanding that Casey be arrested and that the car smelled like a dead body. She stated publically that she wasn't sure of the amount of Casey's involvement and told GVS right at the beginning that if Casey was involved, she belonged in jail.

It seemed like she and George were co-operating with the police at first. Yet, she washed clothes found in the car and tried to air it out.

When did they start acting like they believe Casey and why?

Right after Casey was arrested. Remember how sweet she was to Casey on the telephone made from the jail? Then during the bond hearing which was about one week after the first arrest, she was claiming that the pizza is what stunk the car and that Casey wan't mssing for the month she just wasn't home. The bond hearing had a totally different Cindy Anthony.

[applesandorange]

Let me tell you about my wonderful meeting with Cindy Anthongy. I'll try not to be long winded. Saturday 2:30 p.m. I drove down Goldenrod and saw the tent. There were no visitors there only six or seven volunteers. I stopped because I felt that their comments regarding the publics lack of interest and not wanting to find a live Caylee were unwarranted. I didn't see the Anthonys there. I spoke to the woman of Kidfinders and asked what they wanted the public to do - knock on every door and demand entrance to examine the house for Caylee? I said that if I'm at the mall or restaurant, and I see a little girl, I look but I'm not going to call the police everytime I see a child. What they are asking of the public seems unreasonable. Well we're talking for a while and she says to me, here are two people I want you to meet and there they were. I was kind of surprised. Mrs. Milstadt told them that I stopped because I feel the public has been insulted due to comments about us not caring and that what are we supposed to do? First thing I said was how sorry I was for their situation. Well Cindy starts telling me that the media is only interested in searching for a dead child. She's going on and on and then, she grabbed my hand. Don't ask me why but I immediately pulled it back and said don't touch me. It was like being touched by a rat or something. I said pointing to Mr. Anthony he's okay, but I don't want you to touch me. Well, she went ballistic. Yelling at me that I wanted that child to be dead that I wasn't interested in Caylee being alive. She really was getting scarey. So I said to don't yell at me. I want Caylee to come home. Everyone wants Caylee to come home. Then she went on that I should look good at that picture because I'm wishing her dead. I started to cry. I said that's the last thing I want and everyone wants her to come home. She just wouldn't listen and kept screaming. I tried to talk calmly to her but she was acting just like she did to the people outside her house. Mr. Anthony was standing back and just looked at my so sadly and then looked to the ground. I tried again to tell her she was wrong and then I looked at him and said "You can't get through to her. She doesn't listen". He just slightly shook his head and then walked away. Cindy was going on and on about their information that she's alive and that they have details why she's alive. I was so upset I couldn't say anything because I didn't want to get George upset by me saying anything that was negative about his rotten daughter. I was angry at the KidFinders people because they treated me like I did something wrong. I told them I did nothing wrong. I go to George and tell him that I was sorry for his situation and that everyone want Caylee to come home. I told him that so many people are praying for her and for him. I did tell him that I thought he was a good man and that I would do anything to help him get her back but that because of his wife, no one wants to help. He nodded his head in understanding and I left it at that.

I went to my car and was followed by the news spokesperson. She really wanted to talk to me and I told her point blank, that Cindy doesn't help her cause. She is alienating the people who can help her. I said I wouldn't lift a finger to help that woman. She said she understood how things have been and that she's there to help. I said I felt so sorry for the situation they are in considering everything that is involved and all and that I wouldn't want to trade places with then for $10 million. Then the spokeswoman told me that they were supposed to be on Nancy Grace but they backed out because of all the negative publicity and that there is going to be a press conference on Monday where they will give all the details as to why Caylee is alive and what they have been doing to find her. She said "Caylee is going to come home and Casey is going to come home too". At that I said, "Don't even go there. I purposely didn't bring her up. She is where she belongs if for nothing more than her stealing."

So now I hear that there won't be a press conference afterall and that they are going to do it later in the week. Now all you people who are surprised by that, raise your hands. Umph, thought so.;)


WoW!! What an ordeal you had! I'm glad you got to talk to George calmly. Cindy wants the public to help?! Look at the way she treats the public and then wonders why she's not getting support. I really think she has gone mad.

[Gatordog]

"...the Anthonys intend to release information about leads which they believe indicate that Caylee is still alive."

Do the Anthonys realize that there are likely thousands upon thousands of three year old brunette girls in this country (and Mexico and Puerto Rico, too), who, when wearing a hat, surely looks enough like Caylee to cause even Casey to do a doubletake? They consider that a credible lead?

Has anyone confronted the Anthonys and asked if they know the details of the DNA evidence in the trunk? When confronted with this, do they close their eyes, put their fingers in their ears and sing "I can't hear you! I can't hear you! LA LA LA LA!"

This family drives me so friggin nuts! Though I've been reading all, I haven't posted in a while because I didn't want to rant on and on, but here I am! LOL!

I still like my idea from when Casey was on home arrest still:

"Make" one of these leads pan out...get a girl that matches Caylee so closely that it would fool even Casey. Announce the news - "She's found!" - arrange the meeting. Guaranteed result - Casey is not at all enthusiastic because she knows it can't be Caylee.

Hey Joe, I like that idea of presenting her with a look a like and see what she says. Sort of like an hold Bette Davis movie. I saw Cindy Saturday. She was ranting like a crazy person and I was the one crying over little Caylee. Go figure. She did not shed one tear, not one please help. No sir, she just blamed everyone else for Caylee's being gone instead of her disgusting daughter who is now a matyr in Cindy's eyes. :rolleyes:

[Gatordog]

WoW!! What an ordeal you had! I'm glad you got to talk to George calmly. Cindy wants the public to help?! Look at the way she treats the public and then wonders why she's not getting support. I really think she has gone mad.

Thanks A&O. That was my purpose of stopping, to let them know they were not winning the hearts and minds of the public. George got it, he's so overshadowed by that hag. He takes two steps forward with the public and she drags them four steps back with her tirades.

[One2Snoop]

WOW - thanks Gator -unreal that Cindy behaves like that. Get that woman stronger meds! Grrrrrrrrr :cuss:
I'm also glad you got to talk to George and to see first hand how he's handling this whole thing, just as we all assumed - its sad for him - the entire situation is sad.

Was Cindy's shouting at you captured on TV Camera by chance? ;)

[One2Snoop]

Check out the title of this video! :eek:

Video
The News Loves Missing White Girls!
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1873822856?bctid=1870843211

Larry Garrison and The IFC Media Project, debuts at 8 p.m Tuesday on IFC:
This six-episode series excavates the messages behind news coverage, exploring media fascination with missing white children by profiling Larry Garrison, a spokesman for the grandparents of Caylee Anthony, the missing Orlando area child. IFC's piece explores how Garrison acts as a story broker, pushing news outlets to cover the child's disappearance. It's a timely story; Garrison just parted ways with the Anthony family — they say he was fired, he says he quit — over allegations the broker took $6,500 from NBC for getting an interview and photos from the family.

http://www.tampabay.com/features/article903757.ece

Hey Gator :seeya: I have a question for you -

Is the above just a local show?

[deputydi]

Thanks A&O. That was my purpose of stopping, to let them know they were not winning the hearts and minds of the public. George got it, he's so overshadowed by that hag. He takes two steps forward with the public and she drags them four steps back with her tirades.
Don't ever worry about being too long winded -- your first person observations are fascinating.

I agree with your assessment of George and Cindy. I have a lot of sympathy for them because of the impossible predicament they are in, but I really, really, feel sorry for George. He's the one I believe is grounded in reality but his wife is so crazy he doesn't know which way to turn.

[deacon]

Let me tell you about my wonderful meeting with Cindy Anthongy. I'll try not to be long winded. Saturday 2:30 p.m. I drove down Goldenrod and saw the tent. There were no visitors there only six or seven volunteers. I stopped because I felt that their comments regarding the publics lack of interest and not wanting to find a live Caylee were unwarranted. I didn't see the Anthonys there. I spoke to the woman of Kidfinders and asked what they wanted the public to do - knock on every door and demand entrance to examine the house for Caylee? I said that if I'm at the mall or restaurant, and I see a little girl, I look but I'm not going to call the police everytime I see a child. What they are asking of the public seems unreasonable. Well we're talking for a while and she says to me, here are two people I want you to meet and there they were. I was kind of surprised. Mrs. Milstadt told them that I stopped because I feel the public has been insulted due to comments about us not caring and that what are we supposed to do? First thing I said was how sorry I was for their situation. Well Cindy starts telling me that the media is only interested in searching for a dead child. She's going on and on and then, she grabbed my hand. Don't ask me why but I immediately pulled it back and said don't touch me. It was like being touched by a rat or something. I said pointing to Mr. Anthony he's okay, but I don't want you to touch me. Well, she went ballistic. Yelling at me that I wanted that child to be dead that I wasn't interested in Caylee being alive. She really was getting scarey. So I said to don't yell at me. I want Caylee to come home. Everyone wants Caylee to come home. Then she went on that I should look good at that picture because I'm wishing her dead. I started to cry. I said that's the last thing I want and everyone wants her to come home. She just wouldn't listen and kept screaming. I tried to talk calmly to her but she was acting just like she did to the people outside her house. Mr. Anthony was standing back and just looked at my so sadly and then looked to the ground. I tried again to tell her she was wrong and then I looked at him and said "You can't get through to her. She doesn't listen". He just slightly shook his head and then walked away. Cindy was going on and on about their information that she's alive and that they have details why she's alive. I was so upset I couldn't say anything because I didn't want to get George upset by me saying anything that was negative about his rotten daughter. I was angry at the KidFinders people because they treated me like I did something wrong. I told them I did nothing wrong. I go to George and tell him that I was sorry for his situation and that everyone want Caylee to come home. I told him that so many people are praying for her and for him. I did tell him that I thought he was a good man and that I would do anything to help him get her back but that because of his wife, no one wants to help. He nodded his head in understanding and I left it at that.

I went to my car and was followed by the news spokesperson. She really wanted to talk to me and I told her point blank, that Cindy doesn't help her cause. She is alienating the people who can help her. I said I wouldn't lift a finger to help that woman. She said she understood how things have been and that she's there to help. I said I felt so sorry for the situation they are in considering everything that is involved and all and that I wouldn't want to trade places with then for $10 million. Then the spokeswoman told me that they were supposed to be on Nancy Grace but they backed out because of all the negative publicity and that there is going to be a press conference on Monday where they will give all the details as to why Caylee is alive and what they have been doing to find her. She said "Caylee is going to come home and Casey is going to come home too". At that I said, "Don't even go there. I purposely didn't bring her up. She is where she belongs if for nothing more than her stealing."

So now I hear that there won't be a press conference afterall and that they are going to do it later in the week. Now all you people who are surprised by that, raise your hands. Umph, thought so.;)

She has to be off of her meds. If she had any information she would be shouting it from the rooftops. Her child is in jail acused of killing her grandchild. She is not fooling me. She isn't fooling anyone.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the account Gatordog. Sad, sad state of affairs.

[lighthousedazy]

Don't ever worry about being too long winded -- your first person observations are fascinating.

I agree with your assessment of George and Cindy. I have a lot of sympathy for them because of the impossible predicament they are in, but I really, really, feel sorry for George. He's the one I believe is grounded in reality but his wife is so crazy he doesn't know which way to turn.I agree. Thanks Gator. Cindy drives me nuts too, but I honestly don't know what I would do if I were in her shoes, but I would not turn on the people that are trying to help. My oldest child, I did turn in because she forged one of my checks to get her loser husband back from Idaho to Georgia.
I thought she would learn a lesson, and that was not the way she was raised. With some tough love, etc. things have worked. Cindy needs some guidance imo. :(

[Spider]

About Casey's "counter suit" on Ms. Gonzalas: Okay, first, just unbelievable and stupid. Setting that info aside to laugh about later..

I wonder if Amy, Tony and Ricardo should sue Cindy for defamation of character for stating they ran a drug ring. And who did she indicate had the power to "take someone out"? I agree that it would still be a frivolous lawsuit but part of my 'can't stop watching this train wreck' wants to see it happen. Them sue Cindy and push her right over the edge.

I just read the transcripts of Cindy's interviews today. Oh boy. Now I may have some of the info wrong but that is the gist I was getting from her blathering. And I tell you, those detectives are awesome. I know they are trained professionals but I am still amazed at how well they kept their cool dealing with her. They should get medals and a month off when all of this is finally over. I would have snapped and starting shaking her and biting and kicking would have followed.

[One2Snoop]

WTH? :eek:

Man Who Runs Kid Finders Gets Physical During Interview
Monday, November 17, 2008 – updated: 5:51 pm EST November 17, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- He's been arrested twice, once for assault and once for impersonating a police officer, and he's the man Caylee Anthony's grandparents are trusting to help find their granddaughter.

Dennis Milstead runs the so-called Kid Finders Network, but Eyewitness News uncovered serious problems with his criminal past and his not-for profit group, including the fact Kid Finders has never found anybody.

Still, the organization is out every day, collecting donations using jars with Caylee's picture on them. Even the Palm Beach County sheriff's sergeant who helps run their Crime Stoppers operation says Orange County deputies have been warned about Milstead.

When Eyewitness News confronted Milstead about his criminal past, he got very quiet and then he grabbed WFTV reporter Kathi Belich's microphone and pushed the camera while WFTV photographer Adam Liberatore was holding on to it (images | video).

Milstead's pickup truck had a "Gotcha" emblem on the side of it instead of the Kid Finders emblem he has now. West Palm Beach police say he flashed phony blue lights and claimed he was a law enforcement officer. He pled his felony down to a misdemeanor and seven months later another arrest for assault.

Eyewitness News has also learned that the president of Crime Stoppers in south Florida had a restraining order against Milstead after he allegedly tried to connive a 90-percent cut of any donations he solicited for the group. At the time, Milstead was operating a business called Gotcha Billboards, but he was reportedly representing himself as an employee of the non-profit Crime Stoppers.

Milstead's Kid Finders Network mentions its intentions to raise funds a number of times, mainly so it says it can build more billboards to report on missing children. Its list of accomplishments does not include finding any missing children.

Eyewitness News obtained Kid Finders Network's tax return for its first year in operation, 2006. It shows the organization borrowed $4,800 from someone to get started. It's listed as an asset and a debt. Kid Finders' 2007 return has not yet been submitted.

Fifteen minutes after Eyewitness News confronted them, Kid Finders packed up their posters and their donation cup and they left.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18001297/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

There's a video of the confrontation but it doesn't appear to be working...

http://www.wftv.com/video/18001358/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Video of Confrontation...

Eyewitness News confronted Dennis Milstead about his criminal past and it got physical. (11/17/08)http://www.wftv.com/video/18001358/index.html

[mu8shark]

Well I have guests coming over but I had to get some stuff off my chest. If Dr Henry Lee is suggesting that the Body Farm is so unsophisticated that they can't tell the difference between meat and cheese and a dead body, he is a bigger money and publicity w h o r e than I thought. How absurd his going on and on about frozen food boxes and meat and cheese. And tell me, does Stouffers or some frozen pizza have mitronchrondial dna? As Nancy says interesting. Secondlly the other night when I saw Baez filed a counter suit on behalf of Casey I thought they are going to ask her to give a deposition and if she refuses no way in hell can they go forward with that case. It shows you the caliber of lawyer Baez is, really really dumb. Civil cases require depositions by both parties. I doubt a judge will even let that go forward and if a jury hears she has nothing to say in a civil case it will be over for her in that case. I know this is kind of snarky but I think Baez is a little bewitched by her to actually file such a stupid counterclaim. :eek:

[mu8shark]

About Casey's "counter suit" on Ms. Gonzalas: Okay, first, just unbelievable and stupid. Setting that info aside to laugh about later..

I wonder if Amy, Tony and Ricardo should sue Cindy for defamation of character for stating they ran a drug ring. And who did she indicate had the power to "take someone out"? I agree that it would still be a frivolous lawsuit but part of my 'can't stop watching this train wreck' wants to see it happen. Them sue Cindy and push her right over the edge.

I just read the transcripts of Cindy's interviews today. Oh boy. Now I may have some of the info wrong but that is the gist I was getting from her blathering. And I tell you, those detectives are awesome. I know they are trained professionals but I am still amazed at how well they kept their cool dealing with her. They should get medals and a month off when all of this is finally over. I would have snapped and starting shaking her and biting and kicking would have followed. Are these new transcripts? Can you please post the link for this? I don't have audio and was never able to listen to her interviews at all and would love the link of the transcripts.

[lorettalockhorn]

Word for the day: flabbergasted

that Cindy would ally herself with the likes of DM and KidFind

that Baez is going to allow Casey to be deposed (within hours according to NG)

that NG is so sweet to Henry Lee, yet beats the peewaddle&doo out of Kobey night after night after night. Has LK ever pimped himself out like HL has?

that Henry Lee has the cajones to natter about frozen food boxes and decomposition. Does he believe the chit that comes out of his own mouth?

[One2Snoop]

Are these new transcripts? Can you please post the link for this? I don't have audio and was never able to listen to her interviews at all and would love the link of the transcripts.

All documents/transcripts pertaining to the Anthony's can be found here...

http://www.docstoc.com/search/Casey-Anthony-Documents-august-25/

It also has an easy search feature ... I plugged in Cindy Anthony Transcript and here's what came up....

http://www.docstoc.com/search/Cindy-Anthony-Transcript/?catfilter=1

[Justice Denied?]

Right after Casey was arrested. Remember how sweet she was to Casey on the telephone made from the jail? Then during the bond hearing which was about one week after the first arrest, she was claiming that the pizza is what stunk the car and that Casey wan't mssing for the month she just wasn't home. The bond hearing had a totally different Cindy Anthony.

ITA that Cindy changed before the bond hearing.What I can't figure out is what caused the change. Maybe it is not wanting to loose Casey but it was such a sudden change, seems like there should be more.

I don't want a lot of ha has here, bu I am wondering if this woman shouldn't be hospitalized. Seems like she's had a complete breakdown.

[One2Snoop]

ITA that Cindy changed before the bond hearing.What I can't figure out is what caused the change. Maybe it is not wanting to loose Casey but it was such a sudden change, seems like there should be more.

I don't want a lot of ha has here, bu I am wondering if this woman shouldn't be hospitalized. Seems like she's had a complete breakdown.

I was thinking her change came about right around the time the forensics evidence came out on Aug 1st. :shrug:

[One2Snoop]

Padilla Offered $200K To Allow Filming Of Search For Caylee
Monday, November 17, 2008 3:23:34 PM

ORLANDO -- News 13 has learned bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is considering an offer that would pour $200,000 into the search for Caylee Anthony.

Padilla told News 13 he has been contacted by a company that is willing to fund the search effort if Padilla is willing to give them exclusive rights to film the search effort.

The bounty hunter said he has not made a final decision on if he is willing to take the offer.

Padilla has returned to California, and will stay there for the next couple of weeks. He said he will return to Orlando and do a thorough search of the Little Econ River, where he still maintains he is "sure" Caylee's remains are in that water.
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/17/padilla_quits_search_for_caylee.html

[One2Snoop]

Spokeswoman: Anthonys Have Evidence Caylee Is Alive

Meanwhile, a new spokeswoman for the Anthony family said George and Cindy Anthony are putting together a new group to help search for their granddaughter.

Spokeswoman Michelle Bart told News 13 Monday they have legitimate tips and evidence that Caylee is still alive.

Bart and the Anthonys plan to share the latest information they have in a press conference sometime in the latter part of the week.

Mark NeJame, attorney for the Anthonys, is also expected to be present, as well as members of the Kid Finders Network and a private investigator who has been working with the case since the very beginning, following up on viable leads, including one Caylee sighting in Gainesville.

Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, have criticized Padilla and other groups for searching for a body instead of searching as if Caylee was alive.

The Kid Finders Network is scheduled to be at their tent in Orange County from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Monday after a disappointing volunteer turnout over the weekend. See previous story.

The tent was shut down early Sunday because of a lack of volunteers. Officials with the group said they are always in need of both money and volunteers.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/17/padilla_quits_search_for_caylee.html

[mu8shark]

Spokeswoman: Anthonys Have Evidence Caylee Is Alive

Meanwhile, a new spokeswoman for the Anthony family said George and Cindy Anthony are putting together a new group to help search for their granddaughter.

Spokeswoman Michelle Bart told News 13 Monday they have legitimate tips and evidence that Caylee is still alive.

Bart and the Anthonys plan to share the latest information they have in a press conference sometime in the latter part of the week.

Mark NeJame, attorney for the Anthonys, is also expected to be present, as well as members of the Kid Finders Network and a private investigator who has been working with the case since the very beginning, following up on viable leads, including one Caylee sighting in Gainesville.

Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, have criticized Padilla and other groups for searching for a body instead of searching as if Caylee was alive.

The Kid Finders Network is scheduled to be at their tent in Orange County from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Monday after a disappointing volunteer turnout over the weekend. See previous story.

The tent was shut down early Sunday because of a lack of volunteers. Officials with the group said they are always in need of both money and volunteers.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/17/padilla_quits_search_for_caylee.htmlA press conference is a huge mistake. If they had to close down the kid finders due to lack of volunteers it is a safe bet, nobody believes them that Caylee is alive and getting on tv and saying someone saw a little girl that looked like Caylee(ala is about three with dark hair) is not going to convince anyone otherwise. If they try to testify on behalf of Casey at trial their credibility will be shot . I mean it is now. Wait till they get on tv and start sending people on all these wild goose chases. None of the leads have panned out and so many have been from psychics. I am not even sure Nejame is giving them good advice or maybe they are not listening.

[mu8shark]

Word for the day: flabbergasted

that Cindy would ally herself with the likes of DM and KidFind

that Baez is going to allow Casey to be deposed (within hours according to NG)

that NG is so sweet to Henry Lee, yet beats the peewaddle&doo out of Kobey night after night after night. Has LK ever pimped himself out like HL has?

that Henry Lee has the cajones to natter about frozen food boxes and decomposition. Does he believe the chit that comes out of his own mouth?
Argh,, Loretta I could not believe Nancy's tone and head nodding with Henry Lee. And I can't believe a man with his supposed experience and reputation would try to say that something decomposed with that smell could be frozen food or a human decomposition. You know those policeman and any fool who has smelled a dead body knows there is no smell remotely like that. I guess Nancy is wowed by Henry Lee. I am not!

[mu8shark]

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New Spokesperson and Cindy Anthony: "Caylee is Still Alive"

November 15, 2008 - 7:49PM

So why hold out on information that could lead to Caylee being found alive now?

Cindy Anthony and the Kid Finders Network are getting ready for a meet and greet. Michelle Bart, their new spokesperson, has organized the evant.

"I believe it's important for the community to get to know the Anthony family on a different level," Bart said.

Bart thinks the family will surprise you.

"They're down to earth... approachable... very honest," Bart said.

Cindy Anthony feels the time for this couldn't be better. Since thousands of folks helped search last weekend and didn't find Caylee in the woods, she's hoping they start entertaining the thought that her three year-old granddaughter is still alive.

"We want to let them know that we're not giving up looking for her. We're going to continue efforts looking for her. We're going to continue the efforts that we've had from the very beginning. So if anyone want to come out and see what we're all about, that's what we're here for," Cindy Anthony said.

Monday, Bart plans to hold a news conference to show evidence that Caylee is still alive. Bart says several leads placed Caylee at Orlando International Airport.

"We have many tips that she's been there. Many tips that have led us to believe it was during a three day period that she had been seen by many people," said Bart.

So why hold out on information that could lead to Caylee alive now?

"Because we don't want to lose the opportunity... that's why. We want to make sure our I's are dotted and our T's are crossed."
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710762___article.html/bart_family.html These quotes by Cindy are absurd, so we sitting at home are now saying to ourselves, Gee they searched here, there and everywhere and no sign of her, must be that she is alive. It couldn't be that they just didn't find her in the swamps, marshes, woods of Florida. Because I am sure they looked at every square inch of Orlando right? Look there are plenty of places to dispose of a body and they said on NG that they searched about 32 of the 127 areas they wanted to search. That child could be in a land fill, washed out in a waterway, in a shallow grave anywhere. The second stupid a s s statement if you will pardon my being so blunt is that they know where she is and are holding onto the information that could lead to a live Caylee. Would you leave your loved one in jail one second longer than need be? Would you leave your grandchild with strangers who could be molesting her, torturing her, selling her for child porn or could kill her at any minute. Or would you get LE on it this minute? This makes no sense at all. This family is living in Disney World. It is a free country but the best advice I could give them is Shut Up for Gods sake, you are only making it worse. I think they have a lot of circumstansial evidence that is compelling and more forensic evidence than they have in most cases. Somebody has to explain the smell, the lies, the post mortem hair banding and the mitronchrondial dna of Caylee or Casey on that hair. And her mental state might be mentioned but getting off on that is hardly ever an option ,it happens in less than one per cent of cases when it is attempted. unless you can prove she does not know right from wrong, in which case, why lie? I think she is going down. And her parents know it, thus these dumb desperate statements.

[sharlock]

I was just rereading the original statement by Will Water and he mentions that Casey sent him a text on the 15th July(the day before she was arrested), telling him that she was going to hire a rental car. I also recall when mention of a car rental that Casey was ringing and people were speculating whether she was ringing her dad at work but they weren't sure because George had changed jobs. What if she was going to use her mums credit card to get a rental and was preparing to takeoff because she knew she didn't have much more time before her Mum caught up with her?
Another thing I noticed reading Amy's statement it was obvious that Cindy was quite sure that Casey had been lying about working anywhere for the past two years, she also knew about the stolen money and was aware that Casey had been lying about where she was going, sooo my thought is that Cindy has been very much underplaying the tension in that house prior to Casey taking off and she isn't the only one. George doesn't really talk about the tension much either unless he is in an interview that he thinks is private. Neighbours say they heard the argument and I also heard that cindy may have got violent; when Casey was found by Cindy Amy says that Cindy forced her into the car. sooo it seems to me that Cindy was actually one of the only people Casey couldn't dominate once Cindy decided enough was enough. Good reason to take off if you are trying to hhide something. Amy spoke about Cindy saying she printed off (from the pc)that photo from the no clothes party in May and confronted her about lying- she said she was at work and left Cindy to watch Casey; but then Cindy seems to start beleiving every little thing she is told by Casey AFTER she was arrested? Muchos strange! Just thinking out loud here.

[minga]

I can't understand the reason LP is so insistent that Caylee's remains are in the Little Econ. As long as it's been, the amount of decomposition and the alligators, especially then, I just don't see them finding anything. I know this is awful, but that's prime gator food. I very much hope I'm wrong.

Casey should either be put into the mainstream lockup or be forced to watch Caylee videos all her waking hours. She should have her cell painted with Caylee's eyes on every wall watching her every move, they should have her voice piped into her cell 24-7. "Mommy, Mommy, Why?" "Mommy, tell them where you put me." "Is jail better than me, Mommy?" "Are you having fun yet?" Wonder how much she'd enjoy her shrimp and crab then. I wonder if that would slowly drive her mad or have her screaming to confess, just to make it stop. There is a way to get through that veneer, it's just a shame it's not permissible.

It's a shame prisoners have more rights than the victims do. It's a shame they are catered to. For Caylee it's a shame this is a civilized country. It's a shame they can go to hell and their grave never having said a word. I believe that the system is flawed, too many technicalities and too much room for error. But if Casey doesn't go down, I honestly believe Karma will be a "Major B/itch". We might not see it, but universal justice isn't denied in the end.

JMO

[deacon]

I don't really think Dr. Lee will be very effective for the defence. His rep. is pretty much shot. This one will blow him off the map. The Body Farm has a very good rep. and has done lots of research and the research was done by honest people. Something that he is not.:eek:

[NMurphy02]

love to see Casey in general population. It would be interesting to see how long that smug look lasted then.

[Gatordog]

WOW - thanks Gator -unreal that Cindy behaves like that. Get that woman stronger meds! Grrrrrrrrr :cuss:
I'm also glad you got to talk to George and to see first hand how he's handling this whole thing, just as we all assumed - its sad for him - the entire situation is sad.

Was Cindy's shouting at you captured on TV Camera by chance? ;)

No, thank goodness. But there are signs posted everywhere that the tent area is under 24 hour video.

[Gatordog]

Hey Gator :seeya: I have a question for you -

Is the above just a local show?

Nope, not a local channel or show. Perhaps it is a video website.

[Gatordog]

WTH? :eek:

Man Who Runs Kid Finders Gets Physical During Interview
Monday, November 17, 2008 – updated: 5:51 pm EST November 17, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- He's been arrested twice, once for assault and once for impersonating a police officer, and he's the man Caylee Anthony's grandparents are trusting to help find their granddaughter.

Dennis Milstead runs the so-called Kid Finders Network, but Eyewitness News uncovered serious problems with his criminal past and his not-for profit group, including the fact Kid Finders has never found anybody.

Still, the organization is out every day, collecting donations using jars with Caylee's picture on them. Even the Palm Beach County sheriff's sergeant who helps run their Crime Stoppers operation says Orange County deputies have been warned about Milstead.

When Eyewitness News confronted Milstead about his criminal past, he got very quiet and then he grabbed WFTV reporter Kathi Belich's microphone and pushed the camera while WFTV photographer Adam Liberatore was holding on to it (images | video).

Milstead's pickup truck had a "Gotcha" emblem on the side of it instead of the Kid Finders emblem he has now. West Palm Beach police say he flashed phony blue lights and claimed he was a law enforcement officer. He pled his felony down to a misdemeanor and seven months later another arrest for assault.

Eyewitness News has also learned that the president of Crime Stoppers in south Florida had a restraining order against Milstead after he allegedly tried to connive a 90-percent cut of any donations he solicited for the group. At the time, Milstead was operating a business called Gotcha Billboards, but he was reportedly representing himself as an employee of the non-profit Crime Stoppers.

Milstead's Kid Finders Network mentions its intentions to raise funds a number of times, mainly so it says it can build more billboards to report on missing children. Its list of accomplishments does not include finding any missing children.

Eyewitness News obtained Kid Finders Network's tax return for its first year in operation, 2006. It shows the organization borrowed $4,800 from someone to get started. It's listed as an asset and a debt. Kid Finders' 2007 return has not yet been submitted.

Fifteen minutes after Eyewitness News confronted them, Kid Finders packed up their posters and their donation cup and they left.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18001297/detail.html

I know, that's what I'm saying. These people are using the very victims they claim to help. Who in their right mind would set up the Find Caylee tent not one block from the Amscott where Casey left that car? :shrug: And let me tell you, they had a nice big jar two thirds filled with donations - not change either, fives and tens. They were there Saturday. I saw the wife and husband.

[Gatordog]

Well I have guests coming over but I had to get some stuff off my chest. If Dr Henry Lee is suggesting that the Body Farm is so unsophisticated that they can't tell the difference between meat and cheese and a dead body, he is a bigger money and publicity w h o r e than I thought. How absurd his going on and on about frozen food boxes and meat and cheese. And tell me, does Stouffers or some frozen pizza have mitronchrondial dna? As Nancy says interesting. Secondlly the other night when I saw Baez filed a counter suit on behalf of Casey I thought they are going to ask her to give a deposition and if she refuses no way in hell can they go forward with that case. It shows you the caliber of lawyer Baez is, really really dumb. Civil cases require depositions by both parties. I doubt a judge will even let that go forward and if a jury hears she has nothing to say in a civil case it will be over for her in that case. I know this is kind of snarky but I think Baez is a little bewitched by her to actually file such a stupid counterclaim. :eek:

Hi Shark,

John Morgan, the probono attorney for Zanaida, says it was a big mistake, plus it had errors in it. By filing the counterclaim, it opened her up for deposition.

John Morgan is an attorney with a very reputable background and a community leader. He is a very generous man and highly regarded by so many people in Central Florida. For Cindy to say that he needs to go back to ambulance chasing just shows what an insincere person she is and a shrew at that! When the real Zanaida was first on tv news with her face hidden, the Anthonys said they cried for her because of what she has gone through. Now Cindy is calling her lawsuit frivilous, that she hasn't suffered any loss. I tell you, Casey learned her lying ways from her mother. :mad:

[Gatordog]

Word for the day: flabbergasted

that Cindy would ally herself with the likes of DM and KidFind

that Baez is going to allow Casey to be deposed (within hours according to NG)

that NG is so sweet to Henry Lee, yet beats the peewaddle&doo out of Kobey night after night after night. Has LK ever pimped himself out like HL has?

that Henry Lee has the cajones to natter about frozen food boxes and decomposition. Does he believe the chit that comes out of his own mouth?

Loretta, you are so right. He is staking his whole reputation on these absurd statements. We'll see if he ever takes the stand. I don't think he will because he won't say that nonsense under oath. There have been a lot of cases where he's consulted but not testified because the defense didn't like his outcome. But that won't stop the prosecution from calling him if they think he has info. Saying that a frozen food box can stink up a car with a rotten odor for months is hilarious. Let me tell you, pizza dries up. It gets rock hard after a few days even in Florida it doesn't get moldy and rotten. What a joke. :biggrin:

[Gatordog]

ITA that Cindy changed before the bond hearing.What I can't figure out is what caused the change. Maybe it is not wanting to loose Casey but it was such a sudden change, seems like there should be more.

I don't want a lot of ha has here, bu I am wondering if this woman shouldn't be hospitalized. Seems like she's had a complete breakdown.

I was thinking about that last night on my way home and I came up with a theory. Cindy was only using the 911 call and the police arrest to get Casey into jail for 24 hours and then get child welfare to turn Caylee over to her. She was looking to get custody and she was willing to use those bad checks and Casey's arrest as the way to obtain guardianship. What she didn't know at the time during the first calls was that Caylee was gone for a month. She probably thought that Caylee was with someone and once Casey was arrested, she would say where she was and they would get her. Instead, she realized that Caylee was dead and that she wasn't goint to find her so the very next day she was all about getting Casey out from jail and framing someone else for the missing and/or dead child.

[Gatordog]

Padilla Offered $200K To Allow Filming Of Search For Caylee
Monday, November 17, 2008 3:23:34 PM

ORLANDO -- News 13 has learned bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is considering an offer that would pour $200,000 into the search for Caylee Anthony.

Padilla told News 13 he has been contacted by a company that is willing to fund the search effort if Padilla is willing to give them exclusive rights to film the search effort.

The bounty hunter said he has not made a final decision on if he is willing to take the offer.

Padilla has returned to California, and will stay there for the next couple of weeks. He said he will return to Orlando and do a thorough search of the Little Econ River, where he still maintains he is "sure" Caylee's remains are in that water.
http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/17/padilla_quits_search_for_caylee.html

I have no problem with Padilla getting $200,000 for filming the search of Blanchard Park and the Econ River. He's the only one actually looking for her and that money can go pretty far to pay for the recovery efforts.

[Gatordog]

Spokeswoman: Anthonys Have Evidence Caylee Is Alive

Meanwhile, a new spokeswoman for the Anthony family said George and Cindy Anthony are putting together a new group to help search for their granddaughter.

Spokeswoman Michelle Bart told News 13 Monday they have legitimate tips and evidence that Caylee is still alive.

Bart and the Anthonys plan to share the latest information they have in a press conference sometime in the latter part of the week.

Mark NeJame, attorney for the Anthonys, is also expected to be present, as well as members of the Kid Finders Network and a private investigator who has been working with the case since the very beginning, following up on viable leads, including one Caylee sighting in Gainesville.

Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, have criticized Padilla and other groups for searching for a body instead of searching as if Caylee was alive.

The Kid Finders Network is scheduled to be at their tent in Orange County from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. Monday after a disappointing volunteer turnout over the weekend. See previous story.

The tent was shut down early Sunday because of a lack of volunteers. Officials with the group said they are always in need of both money and volunteers.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/11/17/padilla_quits_search_for_caylee.html

Let's see, KidFinders says it needs money. I'm not surprised. Cindy, George and the investigator are going to have a press conference to tell us all their clues. I'm not holding my breath. And, last but not least, they need volunteers to search for Caylee. Okay, I suggest UnderDog, Wonderwoman and The Hulk. It seems appropriate to have fictional characters searching false tips and sightings. They need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and yell at Casey the way she was yelling at me. No, she calls Casey, Sweetheart and Darling. What nonsense.

[Gatordog]

I was just rereading the original statement by Will Water and he mentions that Casey sent him a text on the 15th July(the day before she was arrested), telling him that she was going to hire a rental car. I also recall when mention of a car rental that Casey was ringing and people were speculating whether she was ringing her dad at work but they weren't sure because George had changed jobs. What if she was going to use her mums credit card to get a rental and was preparing to takeoff because she knew she didn't have much more time before her Mum caught up with her?
Another thing I noticed reading Amy's statement it was obvious that Cindy was quite sure that Casey had been lying about working anywhere for the past two years, she also knew about the stolen money and was aware that Casey had been lying about where she was going, sooo my thought is that Cindy has been very much underplaying the tension in that house prior to Casey taking off and she isn't the only one. George doesn't really talk about the tension much either unless he is in an interview that he thinks is private. Neighbours say they heard the argument and I also heard that cindy may have got violent; when Casey was found by Cindy Amy says that Cindy forced her into the car. sooo it seems to me that Cindy was actually one of the only people Casey couldn't dominate once Cindy decided enough was enough. Good reason to take off if you are trying to hhide something. Amy spoke about Cindy saying she printed off (from the pc)that photo from the no clothes party in May and confronted her about lying- she said she was at work and left Cindy to watch Casey; but then Cindy seems to start beleiving every little thing she is told by Casey AFTER she was arrested? Muchos strange! Just thinking out loud here.

Sharlock, all excellent points and that is exactly what a jury is going to ask once it gets to deliberate.

[Twinners]

Maybe I've missed something, but I really haven't seen anything from Cindy to indicate she's all that concerned with getting Casey out of jail.

It's just my opinion, but I think the only reason Cindy buys any part of Casey's story is because not believing it would mean she'd have to fully face the possibility that Caylee is dead. That's something I don't think she OR George are ready to do yet. They know Casey is a liar, but her story gives them the option of believing Caylee is still alive, so, for now and maybe for always, they're taking it. Until I had definitive proof otherwise, I'm not sure I wouldn't be inclined to do the same thing myself.

[Twinners]

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And, last but not least, they need volunteers to search for Caylee. Okay, I suggest UnderDog, Wonderwoman and The Hulk. It seems appropriate to have fictional characters searching false tips and sightings. They need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and yell at Casey the way she was yelling at me. No, she calls Casey, Sweetheart and Darling. What nonsense.
There are approximately 6.7 billion people on the planet. Out of all those people, only one person can tell George and Cindy the truth about what happened to their granddaughter and unfortunately, that's Casey. For that reason alone, I doubt I'd be yelling at her either. LOL.

I noticed the detectives were pretty consistent in asking Casey's various friends and family if they knew of anything they could do to compel Casey to tell them exactly what happened to Caylee in their interviews. Of everyone they interviewed, I think only three people may truly be able to answer that - Cindy, George and Lee. Casey doesn't seem like the kind of person who would respond to being yelled at, so perhaps they believe that being "nice" to Casey is the only way to eventually get her to admit the truth. It seems unlikely that she ever will, IMO, but I can see why they'd keep trying.

I have no problem with Padilla getting $200,000 for filming the search of Blanchard Park and the Econ River. He's the only one actually looking for her and that money can go pretty far to pay for the recovery efforts.
Unless Padilla has a credible lead, what makes his search for a dead Caylee in that particular spot any different from the Anthony's search for a live Caylee?

[samanthajane13]

"Unless Padilla has a credible lead, what makes his search for a dead Caylee any different from the Anthony's search for a live Caylee?"

LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION!

I'd think that nobody would think to look for a DEAD Caylee at Mickey D's, airports, or grocery stores...

And they wouldn't be looking for a LIVE Caylee at the bottom of a river ir at a land-fill.

[Gatordog]

Thanks for the info...very interesting. It might sound as though I'm partial, but If he does this, go for it, because he IS the only one who's searching for her remains. Even if nothing is found, at least someone looked.

Also, Gator, wanted to let you know, after reading your post re your meeting up with Cindy, I felt really sad that your emotions caught up with you like that. I mean, you must have been so emotionally upset to react like that, you didn't think that would happen when she verbally attacked you like that. Goes to show us how we, as mere strangers, feel more emotion for this little girl than her own mother! Cindy is just bouncing off walls, utterly unstable, obviously. Poor George is right. Hope you had a good martini when you got home :D

Another night yelling in front of the tv, except now that I've updated my husband about the case, he just shakes his head at it, instead of looking at me like I'm nuts :eek:

NG was just so 'genteel' with Henwee. She rips Kobe a new butt, but Henwee tells her (in my best american chinese) " meat," frwozen food, maggots and insects.............What meat ? What frozen foods? he He cannot speak until "awl testing is done" and all she says is What meat?

His credibility has been shot, and I now take it with a grain of salt. He all but said the Body Farm is bs. Imagine that. Talk about burning bridges.

Nancy kissed his butt last night :no:

You know, what made me feel so bad was that she was accusing the public and me of wanting Caylee to be dead. That "I should turn around and look at that picture and tell her that that child is not worth looking for." She just doesn't get it. She has a hard head and a hard heart because I couldn't talk like that about anyone I cared about. AND I was going out of my way to be compassionate and not accusatory. If I was rude, then I would have deserved it, but I wanted to voice my support in the hopes of her coming home.

[Twinners]

LOL. I completely agree SamanthaJane. ;)

I don't know. To me, it seems like there is a huge double-standard when it comes to the Anthony's searching for Caylee versus everyone else searching for Caylee. Tim Miller's organization would be an exception to that, IMO, because from what I've seen, they searched in areas the police department actually wanted/needed to be checked.

Anyway, I look at it this way. Casey's story is the reason Cindy and George are looking for a live Caylee. Casey's story is also the reason Padilla is looking for a dead Caylee in that particular spot. Neither side has any credible leads that I have heard. Therefore, neither search is more "valid" or "worthy" than the other, yet people seem to support Padilla and condemn the Anthony's. I don't understand why.

[deputydi]

I don't really think Dr. Lee will be very effective for the defence. His rep. is pretty much shot. This one will blow him off the map. The Body Farm has a very good rep. and has done lots of research and the research was done by honest people. Something that he is not.:eek:
I agree. After his ketchup spitting demonstration, he pretty much became a joke.

[samanthajane13]

"Therefore, neither search is more "valid" or "worthy" than the other, yet people seem to support Padilla and condemn the Anthony's. I don't understand why."

1-Caylee has been missing all these months.

2-Smell of decomposition in the car.

3-The hair found in the trunk-coupled with the smell and the chloroform.

4-CASEY AIN'T TALKIN'.

5-Casey is a lying sack of s#it.

Those are just 5 reasons why I believe people are condemning the Anthonys and why the TES and Padilla searches ARE more valid.

[Gatordog]

LOL. I completely agree SamanthaJane. ;)

I don't know. To me, it seems like there is a huge double-standard when it comes to the Anthony's searching for Caylee versus everyone else searching for Caylee. Tim Miller's organization would be an exception to that, IMO, because from what I've seen, they searched in areas the police department actually wanted/needed to be checked.

Anyway, I look at it this way. Casey's story is the reason Cindy and George are looking for a live Caylee. Casey's story is also the reason Padilla is looking for a dead Caylee in that particular spot. Neither side has any credible leads that I have heard. Therefore, neither search is more "valid" or "worthy" than the other, yet people seem to support Padilla and condemn the Anthony's. I don't understand why.

Hello Twinners and welcome. I'll start giving Cindy and George some credit when they stop changing their stories. Also, this isn't the first time that they offered to give us the details as to why Caylee was taken and backed out of telling us. If they stopped making their daughter into a matyr and at least admitted that she's a conniving, lying thief, well maybe we would all put some belief into what they say. Also, how many people do you know who have their granddaughter live with them for three years and never, not once, ask for the babysitters phone number or address. Come on, my brother doesn't board his dog without giving me the phone number, address, vet number and has me call everyday to check up on her. I think you expect too much of us to give them any valid credibility.:no:

Gator

[Gatordog]

I agree. After his ketchup spitting demonstration, he pretty much became a joke.

Hah - I remember that. Pretty good in bringing that up.