Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Woostock]

Mu8Shark
thanks for the update. I didn't realize the tips were from psychics. What a mess. I was hoping we would have good news but it seems as if the mystery of where Caylee is will not be solved anytime soon. Casey had those 30 days or so and that was more than enough time to get a head start. I did a home visit once here in MA for a family wanting to adopt a dog. They have a house in Fla along a canal and an alligator came into their yard and grabbed their poodle. Now when they go there for a month they leave their dogs here! I was horrified to think that they lost their dog in such a way and I was reminded of that when thinking of Caylee. According to this couple the dog was gone in a very short period of time. Didn't take the alligators long at all.

[One2Snoop]

Bad news on the rest of the documents they released Nov 6, many are so faint they are impossible to read, however I did get curious about the tips they released and went through one full set about one hundred pages. I do not know if I want to put them up as all are from psychics, people simply giving advice, those who had dreams . Some are way out there , most are based on what they heard on tv. However one thing I noticed right away is that all the tips Cindy is talking about, Caylee being maybe in Georgia, NC, SC or Texas, NY and NJ are all from this first batch of tips from psychics. None and I mean none are actual sightings,.not one single one says I saw Caylee or my aunt says she saw Caylee, they are" I am a psychic and I had a vision or I dreamed this and saw Caylee in the dream." Also and this is the kicker the story about how Casey is too scared to tell the truth because someone is threatening her, guess where her parents seem to have gotten that idea? Many even say it is a exboyfriend or Caylees father who is threatening her. Guess Cindy got the blame Jesse Grund idea from that. Got those ideas I suspect from psychics. Some of them seem to have suggested a defense. It is mind boggling, I would at least expect some of the tips Cindy referred to be from actual sightings but no.... Baez is going to have a hard time with these tips proving she is out there. The psychics and dreamers are out there but not Caylee. I went through about 100 pages and it is not as hard as it sounds because some are as simple as Caylee is dead, Caylee is buried in Backyard, Casey and Caylee had love hate relationship and Casey is all about Casey. Kind of no brainers, I am not sure that is psychic. I will post the summary on another thread if you all think you would be interested in the details. I mean I was not sure you would want to read through them,It would be about as long as Georges interview thread. Maybe this summary is enough, if not hey I am off and bored. So let me know ladies and laddies.

Thanks for checking out the tips mu8. :seeya: I think this summary is good - no need to go to alot of work for psychic tips.

[mu8shark]

.... I do not think there is one thing wrong with him holding a memorial, that child is dead, her grandparents will never acknowledge it, therefore she will never get a memorial. The Anthonys will probably have a party to celebrate Casey getting closer to the mother of the year award. (Or so they think, I do not think it will go their way) Padilla has invested time and money in the case and I am sure he is after all this time ,emotionally involved . What did Cindy come out there for ? She could have called him and privately expressed her displeasure. But she wanted to do it , like a public martyr in front of cameras. She is a much bigger publicity hound than he is.

[mu8shark]

Thanks for checking out the tips mu8. :seeya: I think this summary is good - no need to go to alot of work for psychic tips. There were literally no real solid tips or sightings. I am kind of glad I went through them because now I know the defense is not looking at a lot of tips the police did not pay attentiion to that could be problematic at trial. I doubt most of the other tips are from anyone other than psychics or dreamers. Some of the tips were forwarded directly from Anthonys emails , so easy to see where Cindy gets her stories where Caylee is. I do have to tell you about this one psychic would said Caylees father took her and is threatening Casey. The father's name is according to the psychic, Wallace Anthony, kind of funny, I guess the psychic did not follow the case close enough to know that is Caseys maiden name, duh.... unless of course old Wallace took her name at controlling grandmom's order . Just kidding:D Another woman had some tips but needed someone who spoke Polish because she hears or sees her tips in Polish.

[mu8shark]

Mike Brooks said CIndy said she is going to sue Leonard Padilla for holding the memorial. I know of no law which would allow her to do that.

[One2Snoop]

Mike Brooks said CIndy said she is going to sue Leonard Padilla for holding the memorial. I know of no law which would allow her to do that.

I'd sure like to know what her freakin' problem is LOL. OMG.

[mu8shark]

I'd sure like to know what her freakin' problem is LOL. OMG.I hope Nancy will not be dogging Leonard for planning the memorial or searching on his own. That search even if Tim Miller complained about is, would be harmless and I for one see no problem with him making a last ditch effort. Can you imagine how it would drive you crazy to know about that cross and Caylees art kit and never even look into it? You would always wonder , maybe I should have looked around in Blanchard Park. Juist because they did a quick search of that river does not mean she is not in there somewhere. It is so murky, they could look and look and not find her. Remember a storm made Laci's body surface.

[TOEJAM]

as has been said so many times before...."just when you think that this case can't get any stranger....."

does anyone know who the guy in the blue shirt was on the news video that was throwing his weight around?

[One2Snoop]

as has been said so many times before...."just when you think that this case can't get any stranger....."

does anyone know who the guy in the blue shirt was on the news video that was throwing his weight around?

I think it was Milstead from Kidfinders.

[deputydi]

the skank will be sitting in prison, high fiving her shadow. WTH did she do with Caylee? Hate to say this, casey may walk free. :mad:
What makes you think Casey is going to walk? With all the CE they have I just don't see that happening.

[mu8shark]

What makes you think Casey is going to walk? With all the CE they have I just don't see that happening.ITA for one a jury does not just reward people for hiding a body well, plenty of cases are tried and convicted without a body. It would have been nice to have for many reasons but they do not need it to convict her. I do not see her walking free. If they are counting on those tips on her being alive, let's see Baez introduce tips from psychics, oracles, people who had dreams, people who talked to their aunt in Poland, it is not going to happen. None of those are coming in as proof the police did not search for her alive. In 100 pages of tips not one single sighting , only visions. (By the way I know this is unrelated but watching NG and all but is Van Der Sloots first name spelled J. O R A N or is it U R I N E? Okay , okay tacky but I could not resist!)

[One2Snoop]

ITA for one a jury does not just reward people for hiding a body well, plenty of cases are tried and convicted without a body. It would have been nice to have for many reasons but they do not need it to convict her. I do not see her walking free. If they are counting on those tips on her being alive, let's see Baez introduce tips from psychics, oracles, people who had dreams, people who talked to their aunt in Poland, it is not going to happen. None of those are coming in as proof the police did not search for her alive. In 100 pages of tips not one single sighting , only visions. (By the way I know this is unrelated but watching NG and all but is Van Der Sloots first name spelled J. O R A N or is it U R I N E? Okay , okay tacky but I could not resist!)

I think it's the latter LOL. :D

[mu8shark]

Wow they only cleared 24 of the possible 132 sites. She could be in a lot of other places. At least they can't say we searched everywhere we could think of, it sounds like there is much more area unsearched. Why isn't LE officially getting involved in search , I wonder?

[One2Snoop]

Wow they only cleared 24 of the possible 132 sites. She could be in a lot of other places. At least they can't say we searched everywhere we could think of, it sounds like there is much more area unsearched. Why isn't LE officially getting involved in search , I wonder?


I missed that - wow is right. I wondered that to about LE. :shrug:

[mu8shark]

You know what is ironic? With all this high tech, dna, forensics testing, in a CSI world what I think will get to the jury is the question: What about that smell? Because there is no way to deny that smell, there are too many people who smelled it. George, Cindy, Lee, tow truck manager, cop and Casey texted about it while she was in possession of that car, and then CADAVER DOGS hit on it. So something so simple could really literally make the jury think Casey's story stinks. Honestly it could be something that simple, added to the other evidence that is going to trip her up. And I wish on one of these shows, like when Geraldo has Baez on there, I wish he would ask him, "What about that smell Jose? You are not going to tell us that this is pizza and cadaver dogs hit on it? Explain the dead smell to me, "

[One2Snoop]

November 10, 2008

A Day of Crazy Developments in the Caylee Anthony Case

There have been some crazy developments in the case of Casey Anthony and her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.

As you are aware, Tim Miller, director and founder of Texas EquuSearch, announced yesterday that the search for Caylee was being suspended. Tim said that he felt he had done all he could to find Caylee right now and that he needed to move on to help the family of another missing person.

While all of this was going on yesterday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla approached Tim and told him that he needed to send divers into the Little Econ River in Blanchard Park. Padilla was convinced that Caylle would be found in the water there, based upon the discovery of a cross necklace that EquuSearch team member Lisa Hoffman had found on a nearby tree during the first search effort. That necklace, according to Padilla, had beads on it that were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewelry that Casey had allegedly made.

Leonard's theory was that Casey Anthony had transported a deceased Caylee to the park, hung the cross on a tree branch and then threw her in the water.

"I had my people use side-scan sonar to examine that water yesterday and then I went back myself and checked it again," Tim Miller said today in an interview with Investigation Discovery. "I told Leonard that it only takes an hour to scan it and that we had put four or five hours into it just so there would be no question as to whether she was there. I can tell u where every tire is at, I can show you where there is a bucket, where there is an old wheelbarrow and fender from a car. I can show you how deep the water is in every place and what the water temperature is. There is not a body in there."

Despite the fact that Tim had cleared the river, Leonard contacted an amateur news site and made the announcement during a live Internet feed. What followed was a media frenzy, which has left Tim Miller with a sour taste in his mouth.

"We are associated in no way with the actions of Leonard Padilla," Tim told Investigation Discovery. "

Tim also expressed that he was upset with CNN's Nancy Grace, whom he also finds at fault.

"Nancy grace wanted me to come do her show tonight and I said absolutely not," Tim said. "I told her producer that this is the "Leonard Padilla Show" and that I did not want anything to do with it. I said this is not Leonard's fault, this is Nancy Graces fault. She puts the clown on TV every night to entertain the public and as a result that has distracted everyone from everything we have been trying to do out here. It is the Leonard Padilla show now and Nancy Grace gave him the power to do it. Leonard has a fan club out there and it has totally turned this into a circus."

Leonard did end up getting a team of divers in the water today. While that search was going on, George and Cindy Anthony arrived on the scene and argued with Padilla about a vigil he is going to have for Caylee tomorrow morning. Cindy told Padilla that he was not doing anything good for Caylee and then threatened to sue him.

Cindy also made a stop at the command post today, during which time she had a pleasant meeting with Tim Miller.

Meanwhile, nothing at all was found during Padilla's search effort.

In regards to Padilla's future search efforts, Tim Miller had this to say:

"I do not care what he does; I just don’t want anything to do with any of it. This is not about Caylee to them. The Anthony's are being exploited by all of them and it affects our effort. Everyone wants to go over there with Leonard and his drama show BS. It is affecting the concentration of what we are trying to do. "

In related news, despite the fact that Tim Miller and his core Team are leaving for N.C., a group of local EquuSearch members are now going to continue the search. They will keep Tim notified of any developments and will be in regular contact with one of the search coordinators.

I will be leaving her tomorrow morning and will be riding with EquuSearch, in the command center RV, to North Carolina, where I will remain until Friday.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/there-have-been.html#more

[mu8shark]

November 10, 2008

A Day of Crazy Developments in the Caylee Anthony Case

There have been some crazy developments in the case of Casey Anthony and her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.

As you are aware, Tim Miller, director and founder of Texas EquuSearch, announced yesterday that the search for Caylee was being suspended. Tim said that he felt he had done all he could to find Caylee right now and that he needed to move on to help the family of another missing person.

While all of this was going on yesterday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla approached Tim and told him that he needed to send divers into the Little Econ River in Blanchard Park. Padilla was convinced that Caylle would be found in the water there, based upon the discovery of a cross necklace that EquuSearch team member Lisa Hoffman had found on a nearby tree during the first search effort. That necklace, according to Padilla, had beads on it that were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewelry that Casey had allegedly made.

Leonard's theory was that Casey Anthony had transported a deceased Caylee to the park, hung the cross on a tree branch and then threw her in the water.

"I had my people use side-scan sonar to examine that water yesterday and then I went back myself and checked it again," Tim Miller said today in an interview with Investigation Discovery. "I told Leonard that it only takes an hour to scan it and that we had put four or five hours into it just so there would be no question as to whether she was there. I can tell u where every tire is at, I can show you where there is a bucket, where there is an old wheelbarrow and fender from a car. I can show you how deep the water is in every place and what the water temperature is. There is not a body in there."

Despite the fact that Tim had cleared the river, Leonard contacted an amateur news site and made the announcement during a live Internet feed. What followed was a media frenzy, which has left Tim Miller with a sour taste in his mouth.

"We are associated in no way with the actions of Leonard Padilla," Tim told Investigation Discovery. "

Tim also expressed that he was upset with CNN's Nancy Grace, whom he also finds at fault.

"Nancy grace wanted me to come do her show tonight and I said absolutely not," Tim said. "I told her producer that this is the "Leonard Padilla Show" and that I did not want anything to do with it. I said this is not Leonard's fault, this is Nancy Graces fault. She puts the clown on TV every night to entertain the public and as a result that has distracted everyone from everything we have been trying to do out here. It is the Leonard Padilla show now and Nancy Grace gave him the power to do it. Leonard has a fan club out there and it has totally turned this into a circus."

Leonard did end up getting a team of divers in the water today. While that search was going on, George and Cindy Anthony arrived on the scene and argued with Padilla about a vigil he is going to have for Caylee tomorrow morning. Cindy told Padilla that he was not doing anything good for Caylee and then threatened to sue him.

Cindy also made a stop at the command post today, during which time she had a pleasant meeting with Tim Miller.

Meanwhile, nothing at all was found during Padilla's search effort.

In regards to Padilla's future search efforts, Tim Miller had this to say:

"I do not care what he does; I just don’t want anything to do with any of it. This is not about Caylee to them. The Anthony's are being exploited by all of them and it affects our effort. Everyone wants to go over there with Leonard and his drama show BS. It is affecting the concentration of what we are trying to do. "

In related news, despite the fact that Tim Miller and his core Team are leaving for N.C., a group of local EquuSearch members are now going to continue the search. They will keep Tim notified of any developments and will be in regular contact with one of the search coordinators.

I will be leaving her tomorrow morning and will be riding with EquuSearch, in the command center RV, to North Carolina, where I will remain until Friday.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/there-have-been.html#more You know God Bless Tim for looking but I think he is overreacting. Leonard wanted to search that area and got the hot tip about that cross. I think him not wanting to go on Nancy just because Leonard was on there is kind of chilidish. It is not all about Tim or Padilla, does Tim have to have the show to himself now?Both have I think valuable insights. I like listening to Padilla and find Tim at times kind of wishy washy. I think he let Cindy chase him out of town the first time, that is just my opinion and I know it is harsh, but bless em both for looking. There are so many places left to look, Leonard just reminds me of a guy that does not want to give up and there is nothing wrong with that. I know Tim is overwhelmed with lots of cases but this one has Leonard I think by the tail and he does not want to give up. As far as Leonard exploiting Cindy and George, I think he is the only one that stands up to her. I think it is great as the article states today that Tim and Cindy had a pleasant meeting, which means translation, still pacifying and coddling her and kissing up to her. But I don't think Leonard is that kind of guy to do that. Their styles are different.

[Amy]

Thanks one2. Something just hit me between the eyes:punch: This is the first time I can remember cindy going out of her way to protest a search for a dead Caylee. And just in this one place, so far. Does she know something that we don't? Does she know that this is the place or very close to the place?

It seems they were protesting the memorial service, not the search. Whatever, it seemed to work @ getting a delay.

[Amy]

There were literally no real solid tips or sightings. I am kind of glad I went through them because now I know the defense is not looking at a lot of tips the police did not pay attentiion to that could be problematic at trial. I doubt most of the other tips are from anyone other than psychics or dreamers. Some of the tips were forwarded directly from Anthonys emails , so easy to see where Cindy gets her stories where Caylee is. I do have to tell you about this one psychic would said Caylees father took her and is threatening Casey. The father's name is according to the psychic, Wallace Anthony, kind of funny, I guess the psychic did not follow the case close enough to know that is Caseys maiden name, duh.... unless of course old Wallace took her name at controlling grandmom's order . Just kidding:D Another woman had some tips but needed someone who spoke Polish because she hears or sees her tips in Polish.

Will quote this as it is shorter. Thanks so much for going thru what must have been a tedious read and summarizing.

I would think even Cindy would have discounted the psychics who talk about Caylee's daddy threatening Casey, as Cindy and Casey say Caylee's daddy is dead. Kind of hard to take seriously threats from someone who is dead.

[Amy]

Mike Brooks said CIndy said she is going to sue Leonard Padilla for holding the memorial. I know of no law which would allow her to do that.

Me either. I know there are people around who threaten lawsuit @ the drop of the hat for any thing they deem a slight to them. Surely NeJames will be able to let her know it isn't a lawsuit. If some lawyer actually gets it on a docket, s/he should be disbarred for frivolous lawsuits. Or @ least sanctioned heavily.

[Amy]

You know what is ironic? With all this high tech, dna, forensics testing, in a CSI world what I think will get to the jury is the question: What about that smell? Because there is no way to deny that smell, there are too many people who smelled it. George, Cindy, Lee, tow truck manager, cop and Casey texted about it while she was in possession of that car, and then CADAVER DOGS hit on it. So something so simple could really literally make the jury think Casey's story stinks. Honestly it could be something that simple, added to the other evidence that is going to trip her up. And I wish on one of these shows, like when Geraldo has Baez on there, I wish he would ask him, "What about that smell Jose? You are not going to tell us that this is pizza and cadaver dogs hit on it? Explain the dead smell to me, "

I think it will be like other cases---it isn't necessarily one smoking gun moment. It is when you point out each and every piece of evidence, and each and every action/statement, and put them all together--it is the totality of the evidence that the jury will see that will convict her.

I think, even if they changed venue to the moon, or deepest part of any country w/out tvs, a jury would convict. IMO Well, don't take it to a country where killing the young is kind of an accepted thing.

[lorettalockhorn]

November 10, 2008

A Day of Crazy Developments in the Caylee Anthony Case

There have been some crazy developments in the case of Casey Anthony and her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.

As you are aware, Tim Miller, director and founder of Texas EquuSearch, announced yesterday that the search for Caylee was being suspended. Tim said that he felt he had done all he could to find Caylee right now and that he needed to move on to help the family of another missing person.

While all of this was going on yesterday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla approached Tim and told him that he needed to send divers into the Little Econ River in Blanchard Park. Padilla was convinced that Caylle would be found in the water there, based upon the discovery of a cross necklace that EquuSearch team member Lisa Hoffman had found on a nearby tree during the first search effort. That necklace, according to Padilla, had beads on it that were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewelry that Casey had allegedly made.

Leonard's theory was that Casey Anthony had transported a deceased Caylee to the park, hung the cross on a tree branch and then threw her in the water.

"I had my people use side-scan sonar to examine that water yesterday and then I went back myself and checked it again," Tim Miller said today in an interview with Investigation Discovery. "I told Leonard that it only takes an hour to scan it and that we had put four or five hours into it just so there would be no question as to whether she was there. I can tell u where every tire is at, I can show you where there is a bucket, where there is an old wheelbarrow and fender from a car. I can show you how deep the water is in every place and what the water temperature is. There is not a body in there."

Despite the fact that Tim had cleared the river, Leonard contacted an amateur news site and made the announcement during a live Internet feed. What followed was a media frenzy, which has left Tim Miller with a sour taste in his mouth.

"We are associated in no way with the actions of Leonard Padilla," Tim told Investigation Discovery. "

Tim also expressed that he was upset with CNN's Nancy Grace, whom he also finds at fault.

"Nancy grace wanted me to come do her show tonight and I said absolutely not," Tim said. "I told her producer that this is the "Leonard Padilla Show" and that I did not want anything to do with it. I said this is not Leonard's fault, this is Nancy Graces fault. She puts the clown on TV every night to entertain the public and as a result that has distracted everyone from everything we have been trying to do out here. It is the Leonard Padilla show now and Nancy Grace gave him the power to do it. Leonard has a fan club out there and it has totally turned this into a circus."

Leonard did end up getting a team of divers in the water today. While that search was going on, George and Cindy Anthony arrived on the scene and argued with Padilla about a vigil he is going to have for Caylee tomorrow morning. Cindy told Padilla that he was not doing anything good for Caylee and then threatened to sue him.

Cindy also made a stop at the command post today, during which time she had a pleasant meeting with Tim Miller.

Meanwhile, nothing at all was found during Padilla's search effort.

In regards to Padilla's future search efforts, Tim Miller had this to say:

"I do not care what he does; I just don’t want anything to do with any of it. This is not about Caylee to them. The Anthony's are being exploited by all of them and it affects our effort. Everyone wants to go over there with Leonard and his drama show BS. It is affecting the concentration of what we are trying to do. "

In related news, despite the fact that Tim Miller and his core Team are leaving for N.C., a group of local EquuSearch members are now going to continue the search. They will keep Tim notified of any developments and will be in regular contact with one of the search coordinators.

I will be leaving her tomorrow morning and will be riding with EquuSearch, in the command center RV, to North Carolina, where I will remain until Friday.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/there-have-been.html#more

Well. We sure could use a crying smiley. The last thing that Caylee's soul needs is more controversy. It makes sense that Tim would have used the side sonar, especially if it was after his searcher found the cross.

Couldn't really pay close attention to NG tonight, but it didn't sound like he made the effort to point out that the cross was found months ago. Maybe he did in a later segment that I didn't see.

[Amy]

You know God Bless Tim for looking but I think he is overreacting. Leonard wanted to search that area and got the hot tip about that cross. I think him not wanting to go on Nancy just because Leonard was on there is kind of chilidish. It is not all about Tim or Padilla, does Tim have to have the show to himself now?Both have I think valuable insights. I like listening to Padilla and find Tim at times kind of wishy washy. I think he let Cindy chase him out of town the first time, that is just my opinion and I know it is harsh, but bless em both for looking. There are so many places left to look, Leonard just reminds me of a guy that does not want to give up and there is nothing wrong with that. I know Tim is overwhelmed with lots of cases but this one has Leonard I think by the tail and he does not want to give up. As far as Leonard exploiting Cindy and George, I think he is the only one that stands up to her. I think it is great as the article states today that Tim and Cindy had a pleasant meeting, which means translation, still pacifying and coddling her and kissing up to her. But I don't think Leonard is that kind of guy to do that. Their styles are different.


I would think that, actually Padilla doing a search where the media is concentrating on him would work in TES's favor. Tim mentioned Padilla's search takes their (I think he's talking about the searchers) concentration off what they do. If Padilla keeps the press and lookie-loos occupied, then the TES searchers CAN concentrate w/out that distraction. I think that would be good, that IF there is something found, it can be properly investigated before the media and others try to descend on the site.

But, God Bless Tim Miller and all that he does. I hope he has success in the searches he is undertaking now. And, no one can fault him for not finding Caylee--he sure gave it all his darndest.

[browneyes106]

Will quote this as it is shorter. Thanks so much for going thru what must have been a tedious read and summarizing.

I would think even Cindy would have discounted the psychics who talk about Caylee's daddy threatening Casey, as Cindy and Casey say Caylee's daddy is dead. Kind of hard to take seriously threats from someone who is dead.

Psychics can't be taken seriously. As for Caylee's paternity. I do believe there is small chance that Jesus Ortiz was Caylee's father. He attended high school with Casey and there was evidence through MySpace comments that they knew each other. There could be more to the story that we don't know. Maybe for some Jesus never knew or maybe he knew but was in a relationship with another person and he and Casey kept his paternity a secret. Many people have argued that Caylee doesn't have Hispanic features. I have seen several mixed white/hispanic children that don't have any Hispanic features.

[browneyes106]

November 10, 2008

A Day of Crazy Developments in the Caylee Anthony Case

There have been some crazy developments in the case of Casey Anthony and her missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony.

As you are aware, Tim Miller, director and founder of Texas EquuSearch, announced yesterday that the search for Caylee was being suspended. Tim said that he felt he had done all he could to find Caylee right now and that he needed to move on to help the family of another missing person.

While all of this was going on yesterday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla approached Tim and told him that he needed to send divers into the Little Econ River in Blanchard Park. Padilla was convinced that Caylle would be found in the water there, based upon the discovery of a cross necklace that EquuSearch team member Lisa Hoffman had found on a nearby tree during the first search effort. That necklace, according to Padilla, had beads on it that were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewelry that Casey had allegedly made.

Leonard's theory was that Casey Anthony had transported a deceased Caylee to the park, hung the cross on a tree branch and then threw her in the water.

"I had my people use side-scan sonar to examine that water yesterday and then I went back myself and checked it again," Tim Miller said today in an interview with Investigation Discovery. "I told Leonard that it only takes an hour to scan it and that we had put four or five hours into it just so there would be no question as to whether she was there. I can tell u where every tire is at, I can show you where there is a bucket, where there is an old wheelbarrow and fender from a car. I can show you how deep the water is in every place and what the water temperature is. There is not a body in there."

Despite the fact that Tim had cleared the river, Leonard contacted an amateur news site and made the announcement during a live Internet feed. What followed was a media frenzy, which has left Tim Miller with a sour taste in his mouth.

"We are associated in no way with the actions of Leonard Padilla," Tim told Investigation Discovery. "

Tim also expressed that he was upset with CNN's Nancy Grace, whom he also finds at fault.

"Nancy grace wanted me to come do her show tonight and I said absolutely not," Tim said. "I told her producer that this is the "Leonard Padilla Show" and that I did not want anything to do with it. I said this is not Leonard's fault, this is Nancy Graces fault. She puts the clown on TV every night to entertain the public and as a result that has distracted everyone from everything we have been trying to do out here. It is the Leonard Padilla show now and Nancy Grace gave him the power to do it. Leonard has a fan club out there and it has totally turned this into a circus."

Leonard did end up getting a team of divers in the water today. While that search was going on, George and Cindy Anthony arrived on the scene and argued with Padilla about a vigil he is going to have for Caylee tomorrow morning. Cindy told Padilla that he was not doing anything good for Caylee and then threatened to sue him.

Cindy also made a stop at the command post today, during which time she had a pleasant meeting with Tim Miller.

Meanwhile, nothing at all was found during Padilla's search effort.

In regards to Padilla's future search efforts, Tim Miller had this to say:

"I do not care what he does; I just don’t want anything to do with any of it. This is not about Caylee to them. The Anthony's are being exploited by all of them and it affects our effort. Everyone wants to go over there with Leonard and his drama show BS. It is affecting the concentration of what we are trying to do. "

In related news, despite the fact that Tim Miller and his core Team are leaving for N.C., a group of local EquuSearch members are now going to continue the search. They will keep Tim notified of any developments and will be in regular contact with one of the search coordinators.

I will be leaving her tomorrow morning and will be riding with EquuSearch, in the command center RV, to North Carolina, where I will remain until Friday.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/there-have-been.html#more

I agree Nancy Grace has given Leonard too much airtime. I hope he doesn't get a cable show after the trial ends.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=Amy;9137266]Will quote this as it is shorter. Thanks so much for going thru what must have been a tedious read and summarizing.

I would think even Cindy would have discounted the psychics who talk about Caylee's daddy threatening Casey, as Cindy and Casey say Caylee's daddy is dead. Kind of hard to take seriously threats from someone who is dead.[/QUOTE The really odd thing was that on tip the one from saying she was in North Carolina, it was sent to police on July 23 and the next the 24th Cindy was literally in an interview that i read (retroactively) saying they knew where Caylee was somewhere in North Carolina, So it was Cindy getting ideas from psychics and not the other way around. And I don't know just call me a scientific gal, but If it was me, I would want some solid stuff if I am really taking those tips seriously. You know send me the photo you took of her, or show me a video you think is her and no offense to the magically gifted because i have had people in my family who have had some pretty unusual dreams that were right on about family members, but show me something better than that. :rolleyes:

[mu8shark]

I agree Nancy Grace has given Leonard too much airtime. I hope he doesn't get a cable show after the trial ends. I like Leonard Padilla, I did not at first. Yes he is showy but I think he means well and is plugged into lots of info. I have to be honest here, the night Nancy said to Tim Miller , something along the lines that Tim discontinued the first search because Cindy got mad at him and he kind of hemmed and hawed and she said well you told me that off camera, I thought that was odd . Some people will do anything not to be disliked or have a cross word and I get that .I think Tim is more like that. I just think I like Leonard better because he does not give a flying flip about what others think esp that old bat LOL. I am not saying I dislike Tim, just I don't mind Leonards style at all. And I think the clash had to come because they are completely different guys.

[mu8shark]

Not to get another topic at all but Greta just devoted her entire hour to a Sarah Palin interview. I am making no comment on Sarah Palin one way or the other but I am really disappointed Greta no longer covers criminal stuff anymore. She was better some nights than Nancy and I liked her panel.

[Amy]

I agree Nancy Grace has given Leonard too much airtime. I hope he doesn't get a cable show after the trial ends.

I tho't he already had one. On scientific discovery or something. Some channel I don't get. Someone posted about it early when he first came in, and I was sure I read something about it on his web page.

Filming for that must have wrapped up already, as he has been spending a lot of time in FL. Maybe he was just on one segment of a bounty hunter show? OTOH, you would think that he would have been touting about it on his NG appearances....maybe not.

Just checked my bookmarks...I didn't mark that web site and wouldn't really have a clue what it is named. Will see if I can find it.

[mu8shark]

Cindys reply about the search," They just haven't found anything," Cindy Anthony said. "Discouraging for them but encouraging for us."

[Amy]

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=CayleeSearchNov10_1110200811 19&cat=Local&title=Anthonys%20Upset%20At%20Search

I can't view this, but the poster who posted it said it says that the Anthony's WERE upset about the search. So, if that is what this video says, I do stand corrected. So, they were upset about both the search and the memorial service.

[sharlock]

Just watching the live stream and they are talking about Cindy showing up at the Park and :eek: acting out - anyone surprised? :rolleyes:
Nope:rolleyes: Not surprised at all but I was surprised to see George on that report and you could hear him saying to LP that it was disrespectful and they wouldn't find a little girls body in that creek! Now C@G are saying that they were only complaining about LP wanting to hold a memorial and didn't mind that they were searching but it was very clear from what George is caught saying on camera, that they were having a go at them for searching. I don't like them apples! I am also worried that they turned up but it really could mean 2 different things. They wanted to turn up at the wrong search location to take the focus off the right one or they really thought she was at Blanchard Park and their protests could take focus off the search but they seem smarter than that; surely they would realise it would get people thinking they were worried about Caylee being found. One last stab in the dark- they wanted to go andsee if anything had been found but knew they would look unloyal to Casey if they just went there and had a looksee so they cause a stink and pretend it is why they are down there??:shrug:

[TLC]

I like Leonard Padilla, I did not at first. Yes he is showy but I think he means well and is plugged into lots of info. I have to be honest here, the night Nancy said to Tim Miller , something along the lines that Tim discontinued the first search because Cindy got mad at him and he kind of hemmed and hawed and she said well you told me that off camera, I thought that was odd . Some people will do anything not to be disliked or have a cross word and I get that .I think Tim is more like that. I just think I like Leonard better because he does not give a flying flip about what others think esp that old bat LOL. I am not saying I dislike Tim, just I don't mind Leonards style at all. And I think the clash had to come because they are completely different guys.


TOTALLY agree. I like leonard- he made a mistake bailing her out at the beginning and he is trying to make amends for that- he goes overboard, but he isn't giving up. IMO

[NMurphy02]

care? If they think Caylee is alive and are so sure they are going to find her alive and well, they should be ignoring a memorial and chuckling all the way to getting their granddaughter. They care because it might be true that she's dead. They care because deep down they know their disgusting, psychopathic daughter killed their granddaughter. They care because this means they could have stopped this from happening but because of their own dysfunction they allowed all of the lying, stealing, and partying to go on under their roof. That's why they care. Unbelievable.

[samanthajane13]

ITA!!

I also had a thought...

Casey was checking out all kinds of missing children forums.

I wonder if she checked out the whole Maddie McCann story!!!

She'd have to live under a rock to have missed that one. And that one is STILL UNSOLVED! And the McCanns are foot-loose and fancy free, and living back in the UK.

There wasn't enough evidence to convict them even though the cadaver dogs were hitting all over the place in Maddie's case, too.

And DNA evidence was present in the car the McCanns rented.

Both happened near bodies of water that could be used to dispose of the bodies.

But I think that Maddie was a case of accidental over-dosing of some sort of sedating agent like Benadryl, and Caylee's was POSSIBLE accidental over-dose of Chloroform.

Kate washed her clothes and Cuddle cat, and Cindy washed Casey's shirt.

When the alarm was first raised about Maddie, the McCanns ran around for a bit to search for Maddie, but the they stuck to the camera's like flies on s#it, hit the news show circuit and travelled Europe on donations. Casey and the Anthonys say they're looking in THEIR OWN WAY, LIVE on NG's show, and expect LE to jump through hoops to find Caylee using the psychic leads they getting their email!

If you compare the two cases the are an AWFUL LOT OF SIMILARITIES!!!

TOO MANY COINCIDENCES FOR ME!!!

I'm wondering if Maddie was Casey's model for how to get rid of Caylee-thinking in her own twisted mind that if the McCanns could get away with Maddie's death-and I truly believe that she IS DEAD-then she could get away with offing Caylee, too.

This was all going through my mind at 4:30 this morning while I was tossing and turning...

Needless to say, sleep never came.

[Woostock]

N Murphy 02

You said it all..... How they live with themselves is beyond me.

[lorettalockhorn]

Prayer service video:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/856394

[Gatordog]

Live Stream -

Memorial service/search Tuesday morning at Jay Blanchard Park. They hope C&G don't come.

Cindy was acting like a raving lunatic. :no:

What else is new with that one? My 88 year old aunt has a saying, "Crooked trees grow crooked branches". Cindy is one crooked tree.

[lorettalockhorn]

I tho't he already had one. On scientific discovery or something. Some channel I don't get. Someone posted about it early when he first came in, and I was sure I read something about it on his web page.

Filming for that must have wrapped up already, as he has been spending a lot of time in FL. Maybe he was just on one segment of a bounty hunter show? OTOH, you would think that he would have been touting about it on his NG appearances....maybe not.

Just checked my bookmarks...I didn't mark that web site and wouldn't really have a clue what it is named. Will see if I can find it.

LP's IMDb page:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2095695/

Bounty Hunters IMDb page:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0488278/

LP for mayor site:

http://www.leonardpadillaformayor.com/

From thedailybs.com:

For $9.95 a year, you can get “exclusive” access to LP’s theories before he fires them off on Nancy Grace. Although the site, found here, claims the charge is for administrative costs, he alleges a portion is sent over to TES. What about the remaining costs? Leonard doesn’t need the money and since when do people have to pay to get information? It seems to me this is his excuse to make money off this case, offering the same crap he offers on Nancy Grace, except it’s on his site.

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1857

[lorettalockhorn]

What else is new with that one? My 88 year old aunt has a saying, "Crooked trees grow crooked branches". Cindy is one crooked tree.

Great saying; going to file that one away!

You know, I've been thinking about how G&C must have enabled Casey for how long? And wondering when her destructive behavior actually began. And I wonder how much Cindy enabled George when he was gambling their lives and futures away. And now George reciprocates and enables Cindy in her belief that Caylee could be alive despite the forensic evidence. He tells the investigators one thing, then the interviews are released to the public, and on the very same page of the newspaper or other media websites, he is quoted re: a live seach. It's mindboggling.

[Gatordog]

Wow they only cleared 24 of the possible 132 sites. She could be in a lot of other places. At least they can't say we searched everywhere we could think of, it sounds like there is much more area unsearched. Why isn't LE officially getting involved in search , I wonder?

Shark, I can't begin to tell you how spacious this area is that they are searching. Plus, we're talking about areas that are miles apart. You can drive for miles and see nothing but woods. Basically, they are looking for bones that could be as small as buttons in an area that is miles long and full of brush and palms which could cut you to shreads. LE probably won't get involved until they have a statement from Casey as to where the body was left.

[Gatordog]

Mike Brooks said CIndy said she is going to sue Leonard Padilla for holding the memorial. I know of no law which would allow her to do that.

Padilla also said that since it was Veteran's Day, it would be fitting to hold a memorial service and include Caylee. Once again, Cindy thinks she owns the word and can dictate how people run their lives.

I still don't understand how she says that no one is looking for Caylee. If she can give me a definitive answer as to how I'm supposed to look for her, I'd appreciate it. Do we put up road blocks and stop every car in the country? Do we knock on every door? She probably doesn't think she's getting responsible tips because people aren't looking. People just don't see her because she's dead and not walking into the mall or going to a park.

[Gatordog]

Cindy told Tim Miller that they had a promising tip or lead of a Caylee sighting which was out of state. Equusearch offered to pay for them to fly to the state, to follow up on this tip. You know what Cindy did - turned him down!
She's looking for a live Caylee from the comfort of her couch and television. But we're not doing enough to look for a live Caylee. I guess she expects Caylee to be on a commercial.


Gator

[Gatordog]

It seems they were protesting the memorial service, not the search. Whatever, it seemed to work @ getting a delay.

You know, Cindy marches to a different drummer every day. I believe they did try to stop the search which is why the county didn't give the approval until after 10:00 and they didn't start searching until 11:30 or so. The idea of the memorial came later and then she showed up at the park to argue that idea in person. Once again, George just seemed to stand there, chewing his gum, watching his wife go nuts. He and Padilla shook hands so George could not have been that upset with him. Again, George is stuck between a rock and a hard place with Cindy's rants.

[Gatordog]

TOTALLY agree. I like leonard- he made a mistake bailing her out at the beginning and he is trying to make amends for that- he goes overboard, but he isn't giving up. IMO

If I had someone in my family missing, I would count my blessings and say a prayer to find an advocate like Leonard Padilla. He might be a little bit of a showman, but that's what attracts tips and leads to him. Plus, he is using his own resources. I know I could not fund a dive or search like this. He is a little quirky, but who isn't? Again, if someone I cared about was missing, I really wouldn't care what the searchers motives are as long as they helped.

Gator

P.S. When he was refered to as PT Barnum, he cracked back about Tom Thumb. If you saw Mark Nejame in person, you would know why he said that.

[One2Snoop]

Has anyone heard Leonard say he's doing this out of spite? :confused:

Anthony's Respond to Bounty Hunter Immoral Judgment & Spiteful Gesture

Orlando, FL - In numerous reports made by media this weekend, Leonard Padilla made it clear his intention for participating in this weekend's "ground" search led by Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch, he was here for spite. Family, friends, and the public who believe Caylee Anthony is still alive ignored his comments and his demeanor until Monday afternoon when he announced he would be holding a memorial service for the toddler who has been missing since June 16, 2008 from her Orlando home.

George and Cindy Anthony spoke with Padilla to no prevail. In a statement on Caylee's Myspace site, the Anthony's made this statement: "Everyone has a right to have an opinion about where Caylee may be; however; no one has the right to have a memorial service for Caylee, other than her family. Her family still believes she is alive, and this is our right. Caylee deserves a chance to be brought home safely; she does not deserve to be exploited by Leonard Padilla for a chance to be in front of the camera. Morally and spiritually what Leonard Padilla is doing is wrong. Leonard Padilla has crossed the line."

"The memorial service is as bogus as hundreds of websites that have smeared the entire set of circumstances surrounding the search efforts for Caylee Marie," said Michelle Bart, a member of the Kid Finders Network search team. "For every "spiteful" act towards any member of the Anthony family or the search efforts being made by either Tim Miller or Kid Finders, it's a "spiteful" act against the objective of finding Caylee. Buying into the actions like this and even considering attending this circus on Tuesday is only contributing to the problem and not the solution finding Caylee," said Bart.

http://cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/11/11/anthony_family39s_reponse_to_padilla39s_search.htm l

[lorettalockhorn]

Cindy told Tim Miller that they had a promising tip or lead of a Caylee sighting which was out of state. Equusearch offered to pay for them to fly to the state, to follow up on this tip. You know what Cindy did - turned him down!
She's looking for a live Caylee from the comfort of her couch and television. But we're not doing enough to look for a live Caylee. I guess she expects Caylee to be on a commercial.


Gator

Haven't read that, but not surprised. I guess. Link?

[One2Snoop]

Police: Girl at local store not missing Orlando tot

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer

Published: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 10:06 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 10:06 a.m.

Gainesville Police determined that a child, who looked similar to Central Florida 3-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony and was seen at a local store over the weekend, is not the missing girl.

Officers tracked down the adults and child seen Saturday at Winn-Dixie off of S. Main Street in Gainesville, said police spokeswoman Officer Summer Hallett.

Investigators verified the identity of the 2½-year-old from Gainesville after speaking with her family and seeing pictures and other records related to the child.

Three-year-old Caylee has been the subject of an intense search and investigation that has garnered national attention, since she was last seen in June.

Her mother has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and four counts of lying to investigators about the disappearance of her daughter, according to the Associated Press.

Hallett said Caylee's grandparents were in Gainesville on Sunday to check into the possible sighting and were allowed by the store to view video.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20081111/NEWS/811110952/1002/NEWS01?Title=Police__Girl_at_local_store_not_Cayle e_Anthony

[deacon]

Police: Girl at local store not missing Orlando tot

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer

Published: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 10:06 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 10:06 a.m.

Gainesville Police determined that a child, who looked similar to Central Florida 3-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony and was seen at a local store over the weekend, is not the missing girl.

Officers tracked down the adults and child seen Saturday at Winn-Dixie off of S. Main Street in Gainesville, said police spokeswoman Officer Summer Hallett.

Investigators verified the identity of the 2½-year-old from Gainesville after speaking with her family and seeing pictures and other records related to the child.

Three-year-old Caylee has been the subject of an intense search and investigation that has garnered national attention, since she was last seen in June.

Her mother has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and four counts of lying to investigators about the disappearance of her daughter, according to the Associated Press.

Hallett said Caylee's grandparents were in Gainesville on Sunday to check into the possible sighting and were allowed by the store to view video.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20081111/NEWS/811110952/1002/NEWS01?Title=Police__Girl_at_local_store_not_Cayle e_Anthony


They better be really careful. They are going to run into the wrong parent one day and that set of parents are going to make their life a living He__. This is starting to turn into a witch hunt on the anthony's side and it could get really ugly.

[lorettalockhorn]

They better be really careful. They are going to run into the wrong parent one day and that set of parents are going to make their life a living He__. This is starting to turn into a witch hunt on the anthony's side and it could get really ugly.

Um yeah. Didn't Cindy tentatively identify the child as Caylee from the video? Think I read that (somewhere).

[Woostock]

Wow Deacon I never thought of that! You are right! Can you imagine tangling with that nutcase Cindy who thought you had Caylee. She is such a wackoo that if George was smart he'd keep her on a short leash....as she is totally out of control. And I believe the driving force behind some of this is her guilt and remorse for not being more on top of the situation that led to the demise of her grandaughter.

[Justice Denied?]

[QUOTE=Gatordog;9137414]Cindy told Tim Miller that they had a promising tip or lead of a Caylee sighting which was out of state. Equusearch offered to pay for them to fly to the state, to follow up on this tip. You know what Cindy did - turned him down!
She's looking for a live Caylee from the comfort of her couch and television. But we're not doing enough to look for a live Caylee. I guess she expects Caylee to be on a commercial.

Gatordog,
I simply cannot get over that woman. I Believe C&G have known that Casey killed Caylee since the first time they smelled that car. They may know where the body is and that is why they wany LP away from Blanchard Park.

I think it is very telling that they didn't want to follow up on a hot tip.

Watched the memorial service. god bless little Caylee.

[Gatordog]

Haven't read that, but not surprised. I guess. Link?

I'll look for it. It was actually Tim Miller himself talking to one of the local news reporters. So it's factual and not hearsay. She turned down the offer of Equusearch financing their trip to track the lead.

[deacon]

Um yeah. Didn't Cindy tentatively identify the child as Caylee from the video? Think I read that (somewhere).

Yes, she was said to have told LE in that area that the child looked like Caylee in the video. Now, some parents wouldn't say much but if the cops showed up and required me to identify my child with proof of who they were while was out shopping with her we would have a problem. A BIG problem. That witch with a b would not hear the end of it from me.:flamemad:

[deacon]

Wow Deacon I never thought of that! You are right! Can you imagine tangling with that nutcase Cindy who thought you had Caylee. She is such a wackoo that if George was smart he'd keep her on a short leash....as she is totally out of control. And I believe the driving force behind some of this is her guilt and remorse for not being more on top of the situation that led to the demise of her grandaughter.

Ya think she is a nutcase? Try me when that happened. She would be lucky to escape with anything. She just put that family through a bad experience when it wasn't needed.

[browneyes106]

They better be really careful. They are going to run into the wrong parent one day and that set of parents are going to make their life a living He__. This is starting to turn into a witch hunt on the anthony's side and it could get really ugly.

I agree that will happen one day. There are probably hundreds of kids that look similar to Caylee. There is evidence that Caylee is dead and any leads to the Anthony's receive will turn out to be wrong.

[lorettalockhorn]

I'll look for it. It was actually Tim Miller himself talking to one of the local news reporters. So it's factual and not hearsay. She turned down the offer of Equusearch financing their trip to track the lead.

Oh, I didn't doubt it's factual. Thanks!

(Not that I really, REALLY need to get all fired up about getting negative vibes from Cindy.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Good grief would somebody please hospitalize and sedate that woman before she drives the rest of the country nuts. Can you imagine having Cindy hunting down these leads and upsetting these families who have to provide documentation that it is their child. Well i can only say at least she finally left Orlando to search.:eek:

You have to wonder just how much this child actually looked like Caylee? So much that Cindy couldn't tell the difference? OR is she seeing what she wants to see?

LE must be pretty much out of their minds with her. I know i am and have never shared air space with the woman.:flamemad:

Yep.

[deacon]

I agree that will happen one day. There are probably hundreds of kids that look similar to Caylee. There is evidence that Caylee is dead and any leads to the Anthony's receive will turn out to be wrong.

She wonders why LE doesn't follow up on leads and she has no leads. I am sorry, a child walking in and out of a store that resembles Caylee is not a credible lead. Sorry. Sedation is not what cindy needs. A good dose of reality is all that will help her. She is not the first Grandparent who has lost a Grandchild and she will not be the last. She needs to get a grip on reality and see where the problem with finding Caylee is. It is sitting in a jail cell.
She needs to come to grips with what seems to be the fact that the daughter she raised may very well have killed her Caylee.

*stepping off of soap box now*

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's Private Investigator Speaks

MONDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2008

The private investigator working with the Anthonys to locate Caylee Marie believes Casey Anthony is a "loving and protective mother."

Over the weekend, Equusearch spearheaded a massive effort in the Orlando, Florida area to locate the remains of missing toddler Caylee Marie Anthony. Over a thousand volunteers combed the terrain for two days -- but found no signs of the child.

There is one man who is not in the least surprised by the outcome.

Dominic Casey, head of D & A Investigations, Inc., the agency working with the Anthony family to find Casey Anthony's missing daughter, spoke exclusively with momlogic. And he vehemently believes the three-year-old is alive.

"You can call me crazy," says Dominic, who has been a private investigator for 20 years. "Everyone is calling me crazy. I get death threats on a daily basis."

With all the evidence mounting against Caylee's mother Casey, it seems like a long shot the little girl will ever come home. From the mysterious "nanny" Casey claimed was watching after Caylee, to her chloroform recipe search, the partying and -- most of all -- Casey's father George's revelation that he noticed the "familiar" stench of death in the trunk of Casey's car.
Caylee and Casey Anthony Gallery

Whatever George Anthony smelled, Dominic is convinced it was not Caylee Marie. "There is no indication in any of the forensic reports," insists Dominic, "that say that the decomposition was of a human nature. They are all inconclusive."

Dominic Casey says he is still actively searching for clues, just has he has been since days after Caylee's disappearance -- all pro bono. "We offered our services to the Anthonys and since then we have not taken one cent from them. It's not about the money. One's ability to pay should not deny the right to available resources, especially in the case of missing child."

In addition to his ongoing investigation, Dominic speaks with the Anthonys on a daily basis. "George and Cindy are good people living a nightmare." And he stresses at no time have the Anthonys ever doubted the innocence of their daughter. "Absolutely not. Never. They completely support Casey." But, he adds, "I would never give them false hope." Dominic has also spoken many times with Casey, meeting with her in Orange County Jail early as August. "She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic when asked about her demeanor on these visits, "I cannot imagine what that girl is going through."

Ultimately, Dominic is sick of the sensationalism that surrounds this case. "Please, stop the negativity," he pleads. In his opinion, one detail that keeps feeding the media frenzy is law enforcement's release of nearly 1000 tips from psychics to the public -- not legitimate Caylee sightings. "The Sheriff's department claims they are withholding the tips because they are currently investigating them. But that's impossible," Dominic says, adding "There are in excess of 5,000 tips. By withholding the tips of people who say they saw Caylee Marie, it just fuels the public opinion that Caylee Marie is no longer with us. And that is untrue."

For some, Dominic realizes it's difficult to understand how he or, for that matter the Anthonys, can have hope for Caylee Marie's safe return. Dominic puts the question directly to parents. "What if your child disappeared and there was no conclusive evidence that the child was dead, would you give up the search?"

Another search begins today, this one led by Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who helped post Casey Anthony's bail. Padilla is heading up a dive team searching a river in the Orlando area. As with the Equusearch effort, Dominic says he would be absolutely devastated if Caylee's remains were found. "I would fall apart. I would not believe the remains were of Caylee Marie. Not for one minute would I believe Casey would do that to her child. I've spent many hours with her and she is a loving and protective mother."

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/casey_anthonys_private_investi.php

[lorettalockhorn]

>>"You can call me crazy," says Dominic, who has been a private investigator for 20 years. "Everyone is calling me crazy. I get death threats on a daily basis."

What a non-sequitur. What does being called crazy have to do with the price of tea in China?

>>"We offered our services to the Anthonys and since then we have not taken one cent from them. It's not about the money. One's ability to pay should not deny the right to available resources, especially in the case of missing child."

That is great news. All of the parents of missing children who receive his services no charge must be grateful. Surprised I've never heard of him.

>>And he stresses at no time have the Anthonys ever doubted the innocence of their daughter.

Duh me. Could have sworn that George expressed his fear to investigators that someone he had raised and loves had done this.

>>"She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic

Well, maybe sorta kinda distraught. Otherwise, she would tell the truth. Just think how Famazing it would be for the cavalry to ride in and save Caylee.

>>Dominic realizes it's difficult to understand how he or, for that matter the Anthonys, can have hope for Caylee Marie's safe return.

But what about George's interview? Was he lying to investigators? I know that Cindy told GVS that it's not against the law to lie to the police, yet four of the counts against Casey are for exactly that.

>>"Please, stop the negativity," he pleads.

Oops I must be crazy for believing the forensics.

[browneyes106]

She wonders why LE doesn't follow up on leads and she has no leads. I am sorry, a child walking in and out of a store that resembles Caylee is not a credible lead. Sorry. Sedation is not what cindy needs. A good dose of reality is all that will help her. She is not the first Grandparent who has lost a Grandchild and she will not be the last. She needs to get a grip on reality and see where the problem with finding Caylee is. It is sitting in a jail cell.
She needs to come to grips with what seems to be the fact that the daughter she raised may very well have killed her Caylee.

*stepping off of soap box now*

I agree Cindy isn't living in reality.

[One2Snoop]

>>"You can call me crazy," says Dominic, who has been a private investigator for 20 years. "Everyone is calling me crazy. I get death threats on a daily basis."

What a non-sequitur. What does being called crazy have to do with the price of tea in China?

>>"We offered our services to the Anthonys and since then we have not taken one cent from them. It's not about the money. One's ability to pay should not deny the right to available resources, especially in the case of missing child."

That is great news. All of the parents of missing children who receive his services no charge must be grateful. Surprised I've never heard of him.

>>And he stresses at no time have the Anthonys ever doubted the innocence of their daughter.

Duh me. Could have sworn that George expressed his fear to investigators that someone he had raised and loves had done this.

>>"She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic

Well, maybe sorta kinda distraught. Otherwise, she would tell the truth. Just think how Famazing it would be for the cavalry to ride in and save Caylee.

>>Dominic realizes it's difficult to understand how he or, for that matter the Anthonys, can have hope for Caylee Marie's safe return.

But what about George's interview? Was he lying to investigators? I know that Cindy told GVS that it's not against the law to lie to the police, yet four of the counts against Casey are for exactly that.

>>"Please, stop the negativity," he pleads.

Oops I must be crazy for believing the forensics.

LOL - you got that right Loretta. :beer: Dominic must be living in the same lala land as Cindy - oh well, ooops his last name is Casey - how ironic is that?

[lorettalockhorn]

LOL - you got that right Loretta. :beer: Dominic must be living in the same lala land as Cindy - oh well, ooops his last name is Casey - how ironic is that?

Mister Casey!

[One2Snoop]

I noticed Nancy didn't talk about Caylee's case tonight - not even a mention - :(

[mu8shark]

If I had someone in my family missing, I would count my blessings and say a prayer to find an advocate like Leonard Padilla. He might be a little bit of a showman, but that's what attracts tips and leads to him. Plus, he is using his own resources. I know I could not fund a dive or search like this. He is a little quirky, but who isn't? Again, if someone I cared about was missing, I really wouldn't care what the searchers motives are as long as they helped.

Gator

P.S. When he was refered to as PT Barnum, he cracked back about Tom Thumb. If you saw Mark Nejame in person, you would know why he said that.I completely agree, who would not want him with his tenacity. He has his faults but being a quitter is not one of them. Also, as for being a publicity hound, Cindy could have called or emailed Leonard but she wants to play the martyr on tv. I find it reprehensible she would not get off her butt and go follow that lead when offered to have someone else pay for it.

[mu8shark]

>>"You can call me crazy," says Dominic, who has been a private investigator for 20 years. "Everyone is calling me crazy. I get death threats on a daily basis."

What a non-sequitur. What does being called crazy have to do with the price of tea in China?

>>"We offered our services to the Anthonys and since then we have not taken one cent from them. It's not about the money. One's ability to pay should not deny the right to available resources, especially in the case of missing child."

That is great news. All of the parents of missing children who receive his services no charge must be grateful. Surprised I've never heard of him.

>>And he stresses at no time have the Anthonys ever doubted the innocence of their daughter.

Duh me. Could have sworn that George expressed his fear to investigators that someone he had raised and loves had done this.

>>"She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic

Well, maybe sorta kinda distraught. Otherwise, she would tell the truth. Just think how Famazing it would be for the cavalry to ride in and save Caylee.

>>Dominic realizes it's difficult to understand how he or, for that matter the Anthonys, can have hope for Caylee Marie's safe return.

But what about George's interview? Was he lying to investigators? I know that Cindy told GVS that it's not against the law to lie to the police, yet four of the counts against Casey are for exactly that.

>>"Please, stop the negativity," he pleads.

Oops I must be crazy for believing the forensics. Wow what a great post! By the way how do you rate posts or posters. I have had some nice comments but am unsure how to return the favor because lots of you have awesome posts.

[mu8shark]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9137522]I noticed Nancy didn't talk about Caylee's case tonight - not even a mention - :([/QUOTSort of have some thoughts on that. From what Tim Miller said about refusing to go on her show last night, I wonder if we will ever see Leonard on there again. I wonder if Tim threatened never to go on again if Leonard was on there again. Of course I have no knowledge of this but it makes me wonder. This might not be a popular theory but I think although Tim Miller is a great guy who does great things there was a bit of ego involved on his part. Men get jealous like that in my experience. It is like who is King of the Hill?LOL

[One2Snoop]

have had some nice comments but am unsure how to return the favor because lots of you have awesome posts

mu8 -

you click on the justice symbol in the upper right hand corner of the post.

[mu8shark]

What else is new with that one? My 88 year old aunt has a saying, "Crooked trees grow crooked branches". Cindy is one crooked tree.AMen, I don't by the way believe for one minute Cindy innocently accidentally washed those pants. If there was a big stain in the back and on the pants, with that smell , she is not a moron, she knew that was damning. In the beginning I gave her a pass, I don't now. They can never prove it she did it on purpose , but honey my first chore and my first thought at a time like that would not be laundry and cleaning Caseys pants.

[mu8shark]

mu8 -

you click on the justice symbol in the upper right hand corner of the post.Thanks

[mu8shark]

Whatever George Anthony smelled, Dominic is convinced it was not Caylee Marie. "There is no indication in any of the forensic reports," insists Dominic, "that say that the decomposition was of a human nature. They are all inconclusive." Un little scientific primer here for Dominic. Number one the cadaver dogs hit on the trunk,, both of them, and cadaver dogs do not hit on dead cats, dead squirrels, dead anything animal or they would be quite useless to LE, can you imagine taking a dog in the forest to find a body and he hits on animals. You would be there all day. Number two the hair, science can now tell the difference between human and squirrel hair and pizza sauce. It has been that way for oh at least 5o years or more. LOL. Also mitrochronidal dna of a human being would not be from a cocker spaniel or a red squirrel. Scientists have got that down. There is an indication in the forensic reports. What an idiotic statement for this guy to make. And finally if he has no personal knowledge of the crime, how would he know it was not Caylee Marie?

[wind149]

Let's face it, we all have flip-flopped about Padilla and I am as guilty as anybody about how I felt about him when he first posted this scumbag's bail, I was like, what is his agenda? Did he want his own prime time bounty hunter show like Dog? I was not liking him too much because the notion that if Casey was able to get a home cooked meal or a manicure, she would tell the truth as to where C was, was just plain ridiculous. But when those new stolen check charges were brought forth, he got off that bond in a shot heard around the world and also he was now eluding to the fact he thinks C is dead too, and how it was to hang with this crazy ass family! How CA tried to seduce his fellow bounty hunter Rob Dick, how she not once asked him or his posse to try to find C nor give any info that wasn't a big old fish lie!! How CA is so cold and calculating and Cindy is a flake and George is as bamboozled as they come. Now Padilla has really stepped up to the plate and helped Tim and the thousands of searchers, going so far on his own dime to have divers search that river and the Anthony family is anything but grateful, even dissing the man for wanting to have his own memorial service for the child and I could give one s/h/i/t less now about these idiots, they can live in a sea of denial till they croak themselves, hell, they were mad at Tim for organizing the search starting on the 8th because he was not pursuing this as a rescue but a recovery and they are just spinning their wheels at this point wanting C to just appear and say, "Hey Grandma and Grandpa, I went on an adventure to Puerto Rico"

I am starting to wonder if they DO KNOW where C is and because they are so used to bailing scumbag out of her jams and if they give up where the body is their daughter would surely have a date with the executioner and do I believe Cindy washed the pants knowing what was on them, YES!!! A guy on NG hit on something last night that while stating a sad fact, could very well be right. She could have tossed C in a dumpster in East Toad Suck KY for all we know, she might very well have put the body in a marsh anywhere in FL, hell, she had a 30 day leeway before LE was contacted, she could have made sure the baby was gator bait, and maybe, sadly, she might not ever be recovered, but her mother will get hers anyway with or without the body so if C&G KNOW they should just do the right thing, but I know they won't. It disgusted me to no end watching them berate Leonard, a man who has tried his damdest to help these morons, and here, is a man who is a father himself, giving up many hours of his time and money to find C and they could give a s/h/i/t less, all about their scumbag daughter and C lies somewhere, probably down to bones by now and that just pisses me off to no end!!:mad:

[mu8shark]

Let's face it, we all have flip-flopped about Padilla and I am as guilty as anybody about how I felt about him when he first posted this scumbag's bail, I was like, what is his agenda? Did he want his own prime time bounty hunter show like Dog? I was not liking him too much because the notion that if Casey was able to get a home cooked meal or a manicure, she would tell the truth as to where C was, was just plain ridiculous. But when those new stolen check charges were brought forth, he got off that bond in a shot heard around the world and also he was now eluding to the fact he thinks C is dead too, and how it was to hang with this crazy ass family! How CA tried to seduce his fellow bounty hunter Rob Dick, how she not once asked him or his posse to try to find C nor give any info that wasn't a big old fish lie!! How CA is so cold and calculating and Cindy is a flake and George is as bamboozled as they come. Now Padilla has really stepped up to the plate and helped Tim and the thousands of searchers, going so far on his own dime to have divers search that river and the Anthony family is anything but grateful, even dissing the man for wanting to have his own memorial service for the child and I could give one s/h/i/t less now about these idiots, they can live in a sea of denial till they croak themselves, hell, they were mad at Tim for organizing the search starting on the 8th because he was not pursuing this as a rescue but a recovery and they are just spinning their wheels at this point wanting C to just appear and say, "Hey Grandma and Grandpa, I went on an adventure to Puerto Rico"

I am starting to wonder if they DO KNOW where C is and because they are so used to bailing scumbag out of her jams and if they give up where the body is their daughter would surely have a date with the executioner and do I believe Cindy washed the pants knowing what was on them, YES!!! A guy on NG hit on something last night that while stating a sad fact, could very well be right. She could have tossed C in a dumpster in East Toad Suck KY for all we know, she might very well have put the body in a marsh anywhere in FL, hell, she had a 30 day leeway before LE was contacted, she could have made sure the baby was gator bait, and maybe, sadly, she might not ever be recovered, but her mother will get hers anyway with or without the body so if C&G KNOW they should just do the right thing, but I know they won't. It disgusted me to no end watching them berate Leonard, a man who has tried his damdest to help these morons, and here, is a man who is a father himself, giving up many hours of his time and money to find C and they could give a s/h/i/t less, all about their scumbag daughter and C lies somewhere, probably down to bones by now and that just pisses me off to no end!!:mad:Tell us how you really feel LOL!. I agree it is getting really frustrating listening to the Anthonys. Obviously the spokesman did not work out and the investigator they have Dominic is a moron as he does not believe science can tell human decomposition from animal or pizza or whatever he thinks that smell was. They are surrounding themselves with yes people not people who will tell them the truth which is why Leonard did not fit in and I have to agree in your post, you point out that a lot of what Leonard said early on , turned out to be true, true , true, which has to be irritating Cindy , the mistress of control , to no end. I know some still have a lot of sympathy for Cindy but I just can't. She has told some whoppers herself. First it was a dead body, then a pizza. She said on Greta police told her the dogs were inconclusive on the backyard and LE corrected that publicly right away. Then she says the the tow yard guy in his statement said the car did not smell for five days until after it was at the tow yard. Little did she know that statement was going to be publicly released and he said no such thing. She lies and the apple does not fall from the tree.

[browneyes106]

[QUOTE=One2Snoop;9137522]I noticed Nancy didn't talk about Caylee's case tonight - not even a mention - :([/QUOTSort of have some thoughts on that. From what Tim Miller said about refusing to go on her show last night, I wonder if we will ever see Leonard on there again. I wonder if Tim threatened never to go on again if Leonard was on there again. Of course I have no knowledge of this but it makes me wonder. This might not be a popular theory but I think although Tim Miller is a great guy who does great things there was a bit of ego involved on his part. Men get jealous like that in my experience. It is like who is King of the Hill?LOL

I think maybe Nancy is laying off the Caylee case for awhile. There is obvious conflict between Tim and Leonard. There is a power struggle. Has there been any explanation about the 500 bounty hunters that were supposed to take part in the search?

[One2Snoop]

I think maybe Nancy is laying off the Caylee case for awhile. There is obvious conflict between Tim and Leonard. There is a power struggle. Has there been any explanation about the 500 bounty hunters that were supposed to take part in the search?

I've not heard anything. It could be LP threw that out there just hoping the other bounty hunters would bite and it didn't happen. Just a guess on my part. :shrug:

I have no idea what his reputation is in the bounty hunter world but when he first stepped in to offer the bail on Casey there was rumor back then that he was signed to do his own bounty hunter show. Now its also very possible I misread what I was reading, besides the fact it was back in July when I read it, so please don't quote me on that LOL. :read:

[mu8shark]

I've not heard anything. It could be LP threw that out there just hoping the other bounty hunters would bite and it didn't happen. Just a guess on my part. :shrug:

I have no idea what his reputation is in the bounty hunter world but when he first stepped in to offer the bail on Casey there was rumor back then that he was signed to do his own bounty hunter show. Now its also very possible I misread what I was reading, besides the fact it was back in July when I read it, so please don't quote me on that LOL. :read:ON NG one night there was someone in LE from another area who said he had known Leonard for something like 15 years and that if he said something was the truth it was, that is literally the only thing I have ever heard about his reputation. A lot of the panel on Greta did not like him early on, but it was when he was still trying to bail Casey out. So I don't know anything accept what this LE person said. He was not from Orange County if I remember right, he was from another jurisdiction. Is Leonard from California? For some reason I remember that.or thought I did. As far as the Bounty Hunters not showing up , they did not get the numbers anyone promised

[One2Snoop]

IIRC Padilla's from Sacramento, Ca - I did find something about a tv show -:seeya:

Riding Along With the Godfather of Bail
January 7, 2008

Daniel Lucas Stern - Producer


Filled with anticipation, myself and a three man crew met up with World Famous Bounty Hunter and “Godfather of Bail” Leonard Padilla and his partner Rob Dick for our first shooting day in March. Myself and producing partner Brian Jones had shot for two years with these man hunters prior to this shoot, but the rest of the crew was about to become enthralled in this exciting world for the very first time.

Our shoot started off with a bang. The bounty hunting team located a fugitive (Samuel Gonzalez) in Oroville, CA about 100 miles north of home base in Sacramento. When we arrived at the house we were greeted by one of the toughest pit bulls I have ever seen. After the dog attempted to attack bounty hunters Rob and Kevin, they were forced to spray him with pepper spray. This dog would not back down, and it took nearly an entire can to subdue him. After various attempts to get Mr. Gonzalez to answer his door, Rob and Kevin made entry through the front door, while Leonard watched the front and bounty hunters Art and Steve watched each side on the rear of the house.

As the camera crew and I followed closely behind Rob and Kevin, the scene quickly became something out of a movie; the television was on in the dark room and coincidentally (I guess?) the Law & Order theme song was blaring at high volume while the show’s opening credits rolled. It became clear rather quickly that, upon our arrival, the fugitive had barricaded himself in the back bedroom and was not about to open the door. A bit of miscommunication between the bounty hunting team ensued as all five were now inside the house rather than watching their respective posts. This gave the fugitive the window (both literally and figuratively) that he needed to make his escape.

"All I could think was that at any moment, the fugitive was going to turn around and open fire at us.Luckily, this was not the case. Fences were hurdled, tasers were deployed, and after a long chase, we caught up..."

All we heard was a crash. Rob shouted; “He’s running!” And for the next five minutes, sheer chaos ensued. The crash we heard was Samuel diving through the back bedroom window. He was off to the races and the team and our crew pursued. Samuel was not only fast, but had apparently run this route and successfully eluded law enforcement on a handful of previous occasions. All I could think was that at any moment, the fugitive was going to turn around and open fire at us. Luckily, this was not the case. Fences were hurdled, tasers were deployed, and after a long chase, we caught up with Samuel at a stranger’s house, exhausted and dripping with blood.

After the arrest, Rob quickly made it a priority to check up on the kids Samuel had left behind. I was unaware there were kids involved and was shocked to find two small children ages 1 and 3 laying in the bed of the rear bedroom Samuel had jumped out of, playing dangerously close to the broken window glass. The very same dog that had made such a valiant effort to prevent our entry into the house, was now lying at the foot of the bed (frothy mouth and all), heroically protecting the children.

This arrest, and the thirty some odd others we captured in HD over the next two months left me with a myriad of questions. How can someone jump through a window and leave his two babies behind and in danger? Or choose to live in a home where the living conditions are indescribable? How can someone (allegedly) commit an unspeakable crime and then flee justice to places like Hawaii and Guam, only to think they will never be found?

People can only run for so long. I’m confident in saying this after interviewing each of the captured fugitives; most of them are strangely relieved. Even when they were facing significant prison time, their answers and their body language said it all. The gig is up, maybe now I can get my life back on track. Some of them will, some of them won’t, but for those moments after their arrest, there is clarity.

All credit is due to this remarkable team of proven professional bounty hunters that we had the good fortune to work with again. I, as a producer had the luxury to reflect on these things during our shoot, the bounty hunters did not. They always had a job to do; a job in which their top priority is staying safe and coming home alive. And it was due to this professionalism and talent, during every arrest, every sticky situation we got into, I never felt in like I was harm’s way, I never felt scared…well, maybe a little.


Meet these new age Bounty Hunters this Sunday after the premiere of Lockdown: First Timers. You can preview a clip from the show by clicking here.

http://ngcblog.nationalgeographic.com/ngcblog/2008/01/riding_along_with_the_godfathe_1.html

[One2Snoop]

Gee, and I was always under the impression Dog was the godfather! My bad :punch: :tongue:

(Don't mean to offend anyone - just my attempt at some dry humor)

[One2Snoop]

Sorry all, but I can't help think there's been a mixture of things going on here with LP, wanting an answer, publicity, ego etc. No doubt he wants an answer after forking out his time and money - can't blame him there but there's also a time when a person must disappear out of the limelight and work behind the scenes - I believe it's Leonards time. JMO. :patriot:

[One2Snoop]

Welcome to the 3 Ring Circus Called the Search for Caylee Anthony … Ring Master Leonard Padilla … Send in the Clowns

This is exactly what happens when one rolls the circus, the clowns and the big top into town for what is supposed to be a search for a missing girl, not a media PR event.

Welcome to what unfortunately has become nothing more than a 3 Ring Circus search for Caylee Anthony. Between the media, the family, bounty hunters and the actions of those that seem more in need for being voyeurs than serious about an actual search for a missing 3 year old child … the search efforts have digressed into what a search would look like if run by Jerry Springer.

The search was officially suspended by Texas EquuSearch on Sunday afternoon, only to later learn that they would be searching part of the day on Monday and then some volunteers members of TES would by staying in Orlando, FL while most others went to NC to search for other missing persons. Sound confusing?

Not half as confusing as what occurred at Blanchard Park …


Then we were blessed with the media circus of what was the Leonard Padilla, world famous bounty hunter search at Blanchard Park. World famous? In a word … chaos.

Watch the below video link as case and point of the insanity that goes on between the press, the Anthony family and those members from Kid Finders who look to protect Cindy and George Anthony by preventing freedom of the press and actually putting their hands on people that they have no right to. Media, blogger, family, searchers, protestors … show some restraint … help find Caylee.

Video from WFTV of insanity in the Blanchard Park

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/11/11/welcome-to-the-3-ring-circus-called-the-search-for-caylee-anthony-ring-master-leonard-padilla-send-in-the-clowns/

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=mu8shark;9137526]

I think maybe Nancy is laying off the Caylee case for awhile. There is obvious conflict between Tim and Leonard. There is a power struggle. Has there been any explanation about the 500 bounty hunters that were supposed to take part in the search?

Last night she seemed surpised at the low number of searchers; she quoted a figure and LP (I think) corrected her, and she came back with the figure for the combined search period. Kinda strange it was. I willed her to ask Padilla where his bounty hunter friends were, but she let me down.

I've not heard anything. It could be LP threw that out there just hoping the other bounty hunters would bite and it didn't happen. Just a guess on my part. :shrug:

I have no idea what his reputation is in the bounty hunter world but when he first stepped in to offer the bail on Casey there was rumor back then that he was signed to do his own bounty hunter show. Now its also very possible I misread what I was reading, besides the fact it was back in July when I read it, so please don't quote me on that LOL. :read:

Found this while reading Bill Warner's blog:

A note to our viewers:
August 22, 2008
Erroneous news reports have claimed that Mr. Padilla is currently working with NGC, and that our network is in some way involved in Mr. Padilla’s efforts involving Caylee Anthony. These reports were wrong, and have since been corrected.

We want to assure you that NGC is not producing any new programs with Mr. Padilla and he is not currently working with National Geographic Channel or the National Geographic Society in any way.

http://ngcblog.nationalgeographic.com/ngcblog/2008/08/a_note_to_our_viewers.html

Agree with mu8shark and wind149 that Cindy had to have known something was up with those clothes of Caylee's.

[mu8shark]

Sorry all, but I can't help think there's been a mixture of things going on here with LP, wanting an answer, publicity, ego etc. No doubt he wants an answer after forking out his time and money - can't blame him there but there's also a time when a person must disappear out of the limelight and work behind the scenes - I believe it's Leonards time. JMO. :patriot: He had said a few days ago he was going home after the search. I think that unless the Anthonys do something outrageous and who knows with that family, I think the case will get quiet for a while. I really think police have released all the documents they are going to and they will just be burrowing in and preparing. It would be really nice if Casey would step up and tell the truth but since they did not find the body, it won't happen. And the Anthonys will probably only be newsworthy when they put out these goofy ass leads and even that will fail to hold the publics interest after a while. It is kind of sad that the only memorial that will ever be held for this child would be from a Bounty Hunter that never knew her. I mean think of it, even if Casey is convicted Cindy will continue to spout her innocence.

[lorettalockhorn]

Gee, and I was always under the impression Dog was the godfather! My bad :punch: :tongue:

(Don't mean to offend anyone - just my attempt at some dry humor)

I think Dog is the grandfather. Heck, he mind even be the greatgrandfather. :hat:

mmmm Leland.

[One2Snoop]

Last night she seemed surpised at the low number of searchers; she quoted a figure and LP (I think) corrected her, and she came back with the figure for the combined search period. Kinda strange it was. I willed her to ask Padilla where his bounty hunter friends were, but she let me down.



Found this while reading Bill Warner's blog:

A note to our viewers:
August 22, 2008
Erroneous news reports have claimed that Mr. Padilla is currently working with NGC, and that our network is in some way involved in Mr. Padilla’s efforts involving Caylee Anthony. These reports were wrong, and have since been corrected.

We want to assure you that NGC is not producing any new programs with Mr. Padilla and he is not currently working with National Geographic Channel or the National Geographic Society in any way.

http://ngcblog.nationalgeographic.com/ngcblog/2008/08/a_note_to_our_viewers.html

Agree with mu8shark and wind149 that Cindy had to have known something was up with those clothes of Caylee's.

Ok, they are saying currently regarding the Anthony case - I was never under the impression he was doing this (Anthony case) related to his other work with NGC. IIRC LP put his work on hold to pursue the Anthony situation. Thats what I remember reading anyhow. The only reason I posted the info about his connection to a bounty hunter show was to prove thats what he was doing before he became involved with the Anthony case.

His true motives for involving himself - only he can answer that. IMO JMO.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok, they are saying currently regarding the Anthony case - I was never under the impression he was doing this (Anthony case) related to his other work with NGC. IIRC LP put his work on hold to pursue the Anthony situation. Thats what I remember reading anyhow. The only reason I posted the info about his connection to a bounty hunter show was to prove thats what he was doing before he became involved with the Anthony case.

His true motives for involving himself - only he can answer that. IMO JMO.

Hard to know if National Geographic and LP are broken up for good or what. And hard to know what LP's motives are. To be honest it was finding out that the river had already been cleared with the sonar technique that made me doubt Leonard. And (supposed) first hand reports of his and Rob's actions during Sat's & Sun's searches; too much posing for the media.

[lorettalockhorn]

Earlier today, I had a chance to sit down with Tim Miller, the founder and director of Texas EquuSearch. The purpose of that meeting was to focus on some of the questions that have been asked about EquuSearch and their involvement in the search for Casey Anthony's missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony...

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/strait-talk-wit.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Yesterday, I reported on the circus surrounding the case of Casey Anthony and her missing two-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony. Since I arrived in Orlando, Florida, last week, I have seen both positive and negative coverage surrounding this entire ordeal. What I have not seen is anything about the people who have volunteered their time for the search effort...

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/the-stories-beh.html

[Amy]

>>"You can call me crazy," says Dominic, who has been a private investigator for 20 years. "Everyone is calling me crazy. I get death threats on a daily basis."

What a non-sequitur. What does being called crazy have to do with the price of tea in China?

>>"We offered our services to the Anthonys and since then we have not taken one cent from them. It's not about the money. One's ability to pay should not deny the right to available resources, especially in the case of missing child."

That is great news. All of the parents of missing children who receive his services no charge must be grateful. Surprised I've never heard of him.

>>And he stresses at no time have the Anthonys ever doubted the innocence of their daughter.

Duh me. Could have sworn that George expressed his fear to investigators that someone he had raised and loves had done this.

>>"She is absolutely distraught," says Dominic

Well, maybe sorta kinda distraught. Otherwise, she would tell the truth. Just think how Famazing it would be for the cavalry to ride in and save Caylee.

>>Dominic realizes it's difficult to understand how he or, for that matter the Anthonys, can have hope for Caylee Marie's safe return.

But what about George's interview? Was he lying to investigators? I know that Cindy told GVS that it's not against the law to lie to the police, yet four of the counts against Casey are for exactly that.

>>"Please, stop the negativity," he pleads.

Oops I must be crazy for believing the forensics.


Great PR story--kinda sort of. Sounds ludicrous to me. HE says there is no "evidence" that Caylee is dead? I'm guess HE is one of the people that Cindy gets her statements from. (Or, does P&D or whatever investigators get their info from Cindy?)

Actually, it might be a bit of both. He says he believes Casey "is" a protective, loving mother. Man, I don't get what he doesn't get about NOT reporting a disappearance (or death) for 30 dad blasted days!!! That IS NOT being "protective" of one's daughter in any way, shape or form, let alone loving!!!!!

So, he gave a good interview to the media. He evidently DOES give the A's (Cindy @ least) false hope, if he is the one who is feeding that bunk to Cindy. I wonder what he thinks to himself, what maybe he and Dennis talk about, maybe he and the other "directors"--do they really say this stuff amongst themselves, or do they save that for Cindy and Press releases?

[TLC]

Whew -thought I was the only one who thought lelan was cute!

IMO- leonard padilla is a VERY clever man, who plays the clown. Love him or hate him he is doing what he can to keep this in the spotlight. Too often cases fall off the radar because nothing is happening, he is making sure that doesn't happen at the very least. As for C&G - they need to STOP blaming LP and LE and TES and everyone else and realise the blame lies squarely on their daughter. If not for her there would be no LP etc involved. All roads lead to casey and someone needs to point that out to them - and KEEP pointing it out.

[deacon]

Whatever George Anthony smelled, Dominic is convinced it was not Caylee Marie. "There is no indication in any of the forensic reports," insists Dominic, "that say that the decomposition was of a human nature. They are all inconclusive." Un little scientific primer here for Dominic. Number one the cadaver dogs hit on the trunk,, both of them, and cadaver dogs do not hit on dead cats, dead squirrels, dead anything animal or they would be quite useless to LE, can you imagine taking a dog in the forest to find a body and he hits on animals. You would be there all day. Number two the hair, science can now tell the difference between human and squirrel hair and pizza sauce. It has been that way for oh at least 5o years or more. LOL. Also mitrochronidal dna of a human being would not be from a cocker spaniel or a red squirrel. Scientists have got that down. There is an indication in the forensic reports. What an idiotic statement for this guy to make. And finally if he has no personal knowledge of the crime, how would he know it was not Caylee Marie?

He may just be looking for his 15 minutes. In business reputation is everything. He is trying to build that with a nationally known case. I don't put much faith in anything people say who are trying to better their rep.

[deacon]

He had said a few days ago he was going home after the search. I think that unless the Anthonys do something outrageous and who knows with that family, I think the case will get quiet for a while. I really think police have released all the documents they are going to and they will just be burrowing in and preparing. It would be really nice if Casey would step up and tell the truth but since they did not find the body, it won't happen. And the Anthonys will probably only be newsworthy when they put out these goofy ass leads and even that will fail to hold the publics interest after a while. It is kind of sad that the only memorial that will ever be held for this child would be from a Bounty Hunter that never knew her. I mean think of it, even if Casey is convicted Cindy will continue to spout her innocence.

Don't worry about Caylee not being remembered or that she will have a memorial. I think Caylee will be memorialized in millions of people's hearts every day. She will be remembered by everyone who knows about her case. If she is dead, and I think she is, she is in a better place.:rose:

[TLC]

I know that the chances of anyone of the Anthony's reading is nil, but given 5 min of his time I would love to tell Mr. Anthony that it is high time he stepped up and was a man. He knows the truth, he knows what is right in front of him, and it's time he grew a backbone and did what was right. He needs to help LE and stop hiding behind what is best for his wife and his lifestyle- time to make the hard choice. He claims this will "kill his wife" well I have news for him, it's already killed his granddaughter and now it needs to stop. Help LE - help find your granddaughters grave, and most of all get your daughter to tell the truth. HE has the power to turn this around, it's time he used it.

[TOEJAM]

AMen, I don't by the way believe for one minute Cindy innocently accidentally washed those pants. If there was a big stain in the back and on the pants, with that smell , she is not a moron, she knew that was damning. In the beginning I gave her a pass, I don't now. They can never prove it she did it on purpose , but honey my first chore and my first thought at a time like that would not be laundry and cleaning Caseys pants.


last week on one of those science minutes they have on the radio i am sure that i heard them say that the new generation of oxy cleaners are capable of destroying forensic evidence when items are washed with it. they said that using an oxy cleaner once is like using regular detergent 10 times. I have been unable to find anything to verify this claim but if true it might help explain Cindy washing the pants so quickly.

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=mu8shark;9137526]

I think maybe Nancy is laying off the Caylee case for awhile. There is obvious conflict between Tim and Leonard. There is a power struggle. Has there been any explanation about the 500 bounty hunters that were supposed to take part in the search?

I haven't heard any specific reason as to why there was a low turnout. I can only say that it was reported that the search was handled very unorganized in the first few hours. People got there at 8 a.m. and had to stand around waiting to be registered and the searching didn't start until after 10 a.m. Perhaps a lot of people got tired of standing and just searched on their own. Searchers were supposed to wear a badge and the people I saw in Blanchard Park, were searching on their own. No badge. Also, everyone had to go to one specific post and then go to the search site by van and then back to the post. I'm not being critical, just reporting what was on TV. Perhaps if they had told people : This is where we are searching, we need 1500 at the airport, 100 at Blanchard Park, 200 at Lee Vista, the turnout would have been greater and not taken as much time as a lot of local people would have put in a couple of hours instead of the "whole day" that Tim spoke of on the news. Also - he said he wanted no talk of Cindy, George, Casey or the case. If anyone said anything like that, they'd be "booted" off the search. He also said plan on the whole day, it wasn't going to be 2 hours and then leave. He didn't make it very easy or inviting for the searchers. I think a lot of people were turned off due to prerequisites. I know I was. That's my opinion. Also, I bet Leonard Padilla got frustrated with all the requirements and heard about it from others which is why he splintered off and formed his own search.

Gator

[Gatordog]

ON NG one night there was someone in LE from another area who said he had known Leonard for something like 15 years and that if he said something was the truth it was, that is literally the only thing I have ever heard about his reputation. A lot of the panel on Greta did not like him early on, but it was when he was still trying to bail Casey out. So I don't know anything accept what this LE person said. He was not from Orange County if I remember right, he was from another jurisdiction. Is Leonard from California? For some reason I remember that.or thought I did. As far as the Bounty Hunters not showing up , they did not get the numbers anyone promised

Leonard is from Sacramento, California. Not one bail bondsman in Florida would risk the $500K bond since the Anthony's had no means to cover even the $50K. Where they got the money for the bond the second time is suspicious, especially since they wanted it to remain anonymous.

[Gatordog]

Sorry all, but I can't help think there's been a mixture of things going on here with LP, wanting an answer, publicity, ego etc. No doubt he wants an answer after forking out his time and money - can't blame him there but there's also a time when a person must disappear out of the limelight and work behind the scenes - I believe it's Leonards time. JMO. :patriot:

Without LP, this would have faded away long ago and Casey would have no one challenging her at all. Whether he's in it for his interests or not, I believe he is truly out for justice, so I hope he hangs in there.

[Gatordog]

Welcome to the 3 Ring Circus Called the Search for Caylee Anthony … Ring Master Leonard Padilla … Send in the Clowns

This is exactly what happens when one rolls the circus, the clowns and the big top into town for what is supposed to be a search for a missing girl, not a media PR event.

Welcome to what unfortunately has become nothing more than a 3 Ring Circus search for Caylee Anthony. Between the media, the family, bounty hunters and the actions of those that seem more in need for being voyeurs than serious about an actual search for a missing 3 year old child … the search efforts have digressed into what a search would look like if run by Jerry Springer.

The search was officially suspended by Texas EquuSearch on Sunday afternoon, only to later learn that they would be searching part of the day on Monday and then some volunteers members of TES would by staying in Orlando, FL while most others went to NC to search for other missing persons. Sound confusing?

Not half as confusing as what occurred at Blanchard Park …


Then we were blessed with the media circus of what was the Leonard Padilla, world famous bounty hunter search at Blanchard Park. World famous? In a word … chaos.

Watch the below video link as case and point of the insanity that goes on between the press, the Anthony family and those members from Kid Finders who look to protect Cindy and George Anthony by preventing freedom of the press and actually putting their hands on people that they have no right to. Media, blogger, family, searchers, protestors … show some restraint … help find Caylee.

Video from WFTV of insanity in the Blanchard Park

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/11/11/welcome-to-the-3-ring-circus-called-the-search-for-caylee-anthony-ring-master-leonard-padilla-send-in-the-clowns/

I was there in person - it was not a circus atmosphere at all. In fact, it was reserved and quiet. Funny - those comments regarding a three ring circus were the exact comments made by Tim Miller and Mark Nejame refered to LP as P.T. Barnum. I was there, I saw it, a lot of thought went into where to search. LP was there for hours and hours on Sunday and Monday. I don't want to defend LP but I think that Tim Miller is painting the wrong picture. His organization is the one that didn't live up to it's promise. I saw the command post and I heard Tim's requirements in order to be part of the search.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=browneyes106;9137538]

I haven't heard any specific reason as to why there was a low turnout. I can only say that it was reported that the search was handled very unorganized in the first few hours. People got there at 8 a.m. and had to stand around waiting to be registered and the searching didn't start until after 10 a.m. Perhaps a lot of people got tired of standing and just searched on their own. Searchers were supposed to wear a badge and the people I saw in Blanchard Park, were searching on their own. No badge. Also, everyone had to go to one specific post and then go to the search site by van and then back to the post. I'm not being critical, just reporting what was on TV. Perhaps if they had told people : This is where we are searching, we need 1500 at the airport, 100 at Blanchard Park, 200 at Lee Vista, the turnout would have been greater and not taken as much time as a lot of local people would have put in a couple of hours instead of the "whole day" that Tim spoke of on the news. Also - he said he wanted no talk of Cindy, George, Casey or the case. If anyone said anything like that, they'd be "booted" off the search. He also said plan on the whole day, it wasn't going to be 2 hours and then leave. He didn't make it very easy or inviting for the searchers. I think a lot of people were turned off due to prerequisites. I know I was. That's my opinion. Also, I bet Leonard Padilla got frustrated with all the requirements and heard about it from others which is why he splintered off and formed his own search.

Gator

Was thinking about how the number of searchers could have gotten so inflated, and wondered if large numbers of people (like me) clicked on the online form at TES; not to download and sign, but just out of curiosity. Could those clicks have been used to estimate a tentative head count? Also wonder what happened to the 500 (?) bail bondsmen that LP promised would show up.
Gosh, it could have been a myriad of reasons for the lack of searchers, including the lack or organization and dilly dallying that I've read about. Of course, we have no way to really confirm any of that. God bless those who did search.

Leonard is from Sacramento, California. Not one bail bondsman in Florida would risk the $500K bond since the Anthony's had no means to cover even the $50K. Where they got the money for the bond the second time is suspicious, especially since they wanted it to remain anonymous.

Found this in Bill Warren's blog, but have no idea how reliable he or his sources are:

UPDATE Friday 9/05/08...ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony is expected to be released from jail Friday morning for the second time in two weeks. Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla helped Casey get out of jail the first time, but Eyewitness News was told that this time the person who posted her bond wants to stay anonymous. Two bond agencies Macdonald Bail Bonds and Miller Bail Bonds, both out of Kissimmee worked together to post the $500,000 bond. A press release fax came in on9(/04/08 from "Press Corps Media Plus" (615) 254-1400, e-mail presscorpsmedia@aol.com , stating that the lawyer for Casey Anthony will not reveal who paid the $50,000 cash to post the second $500,000 bail bond.


The "black" back story here is the involvement Leonard Padilla, who hosts a TV show called "Bounty Hunters" on National Geographic, who told Local 6 News in mid August 2008 that he has been talking to Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, about bailing his client out of jail. Leonard Padilla told Local 6 News that his nephew, Tony Padilla, a bail agent, traveling to Texas and made arrangements with a company to secure the entire $500,000 bond, since gone over to Al Estes Bail bonds in Clearwater, and since recinded and Casey Anthony went back to jail.

http://wwwwbipicomlink.blogspot.com/2008/09/leonard-padilla-larry-garrison-three.html

[Gatordog]

Hard to know if National Geographic and LP are broken up for good or what. And hard to know what LP's motives are. To be honest it was finding out that the river had already been cleared with the sonar technique that made me doubt Leonard. And (supposed) first hand reports of his and Rob's actions during Sat's & Sun's searches; too much posing for the media.

There was a lot of media and not once, in the close to three hours I was there, did Leonard Padilla ever go to them. They always went to him and often he brushed them aside because he was concentrating on what the divers were doing and wanted to make sure they were safe. He did not in any way go out looking for the reporters.

[Gatordog]

I know that the chances of anyone of the Anthony's reading is nil, but given 5 min of his time I would love to tell Mr. Anthony that it is high time he stepped up and was a man. He knows the truth, he knows what is right in front of him, and it's time he grew a backbone and did what was right. He needs to help LE and stop hiding behind what is best for his wife and his lifestyle- time to make the hard choice. He claims this will "kill his wife" well I have news for him, it's already killed his granddaughter and now it needs to stop. Help LE - help find your granddaughters grave, and most of all get your daughter to tell the truth. HE has the power to turn this around, it's time he used it.

Amen to that!

Good post

[One2Snoop]

I was there in person - it was not a circus atmosphere at all. In fact, it was reserved and quiet. Funny - those comments regarding a three ring circus were the exact comments made by Tim Miller and Mark Nejame refered to LP as P.T. Barnum. I was there, I saw it, a lot of thought went into where to search. LP was there for hours and hours on Sunday and Monday. I don't want to defend LP but I think that Tim Miller is painting the wrong picture. His organization is the one that didn't live up to it's promise. I saw the command post and I heard Tim's requirements in order to be part of the search.

Thanks for the info Gator. It's nice to get firsthand info instead of always relying on the media and blogs. :patriot:

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=Gatordog;9137637]

Was thinking about how the number of searchers could have gotten so inflated, and wondered if large numbers of people (like me) clicked on the online form at TES; not to download and sign, but just out of curiosity. Could those clicks have been used to estimate a tentative head count? Also wonder what happened to the 500 (?) bail bondsmen that LP promised would show up.
Gosh, it could have been a myriad of reasons for the lack of searchers, including the lack or organization and dilly dallying that I've read about. Of course, we have no way to really confirm any of that. God bless those who did search.



Found this in Bill Warren's blog, but have no idea how reliable he or his sources are:

UPDATE Friday 9/05/08...ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony is expected to be released from jail Friday morning for the second time in two weeks. Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla helped Casey get out of jail the first time, but Eyewitness News was told that this time the person who posted her bond wants to stay anonymous. Two bond agencies Macdonald Bail Bonds and Miller Bail Bonds, both out of Kissimmee worked together to post the $500,000 bond. A press release fax came in on9(/04/08 from "Press Corps Media Plus" (615) 254-1400, e-mail presscorpsmedia@aol.com , stating that the lawyer for Casey Anthony will not reveal who paid the $50,000 cash to post the second $500,000 bail bond.


The "black" back story here is the involvement Leonard Padilla, who hosts a TV show called "Bounty Hunters" on National Geographic, who told Local 6 News in mid August 2008 that he has been talking to Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, about bailing his client out of jail. Leonard Padilla told Local 6 News that his nephew, Tony Padilla, a bail agent, traveling to Texas and made arrangements with a company to secure the entire $500,000 bond, since gone over to Al Estes Bail bonds in Clearwater, and since recinded and Casey Anthony went back to jail.

http://wwwwbipicomlink.blogspot.com/2008/09/leonard-padilla-larry-garrison-three.html

Hi Loretta,

Sounds all true to me. The first paragraph refers to the second $500k bond and the person posting the 10% wanted to remain annonymous but forgot that the papers need to be filed in court - Cindy and George Anthony's name appeared as the people posting the bond.

The second paragraph is in regards to the first time she was bonded out by Leonard Padilla paying the $50k through his nephew in Texas.

[Gatordog]

Not to beat it to death but Tim said searching the river was a waste of time. If so, why would the detectives be there for the dive? I saw Yuri Melich and the other detective there. If they thought it was useless, I am sure they could have used their time in a better way. :flamemad: I'm sorry but I am really disappointed in Tim Miller. I know he knows better than anyone what George and Cindy are feeling but he is letting Cindy call the shots. She got her way again. He packed up his gear and took off because the Anthony's weren't behind his search. Well, what murderer would be?

Cindy has gone nuts and is taking everyone else with her. She's got Tim half way there with his berating Padilla and respecting her desire for Caylee to be alive. Cindy wanted Tim to search for a live Caylee and she wanted to be the one to tell him where to look via her personal tips and not the police tips. Maybe I should get out a crystal ball and tell Tim where to search.

[One2Snoop]

Interesting post by Sharon on David Lohr's blog...
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/the-stories-beh.html#comment-138786546

Hi, I love your website and really love this piece you did on the searchers...thank you. So much has been lost on the circus surrounding the case and the search, but that's another story.

My husband and I left Alexandria, Va on tuesday morning, destination Orlando, FL. He had time off from work and we had some extra money, everything just fell into place for our trip, perfectly. My husband is retired Army, he was in for 22 years and was a Ranger,infantry for 16 of those years. He hurt his ankle and spent the last years in Military Intelligence. He became interested in the Caylee Anthony case through my interest, together we would keep up with the everyday news on it. He called when TES came out and asked for team leaders. He spoke with them and decided we should drive down for the search, we had actually been talking about it for sometime, but were not sure because of the distance. Orlando is about 860 miles from Alexandria.

The trip down went smoothly, we cut it up into a two days. We were at the "Tabu Nightclub" on friday for the "team leader meeting". We were both pretty excited about being there and showed up a little early. It was shocking that they were holding this meeting at a nightclub and especially a nightclub that NeJame's owns, I found this very disturbing. We thought the meeting would include a lot of information on the search and protocol related to TES's procedure, we were shocked. There was maybe 10 minutes of search related information, that's about it. The rest of the time was devoted to Nejame and Tim Miller telling us that we should not hate or judge the Anthony's, and if any searchers were heard talking about George or Cindy they would immediately be told to go home, no if's, and's or but's. This discussion about the Anthony's went on for probably an hour. NeJame had a man from the Never Loose Hope foundation come up on stage, after he explained that the man and his organization had taken unfair heat from the internet community. Then the representative from never loose hope handed Tim a check for $12,000.

We went home after the meeting was over, even though free drinks were being served, we had heard and seen enough. Regardless, we were both ready to get rested up for the next day, because that's what we came 860 miles for, to search and hopefully help find Caylee.

The next morning, Saturday, we arrived at the command center about 7:30 am and went to check in. After we signed up, we asked about the packets that they had said the night before would be given to team leader's. They said they didn't know about any packets and told us to go to another tent and ask them. We did and they didn't know either. Finally we found another team leader and he said that there are no packets, and that we are just supposed to write down the names of the people on our team on a piece of paper. We were also told to just walk around the group of people there and find about 15 people for our team. We did that and continued to wait with all of the other people. Everyone was asking why they were standing around and waiting, they wanted to know what the hold up was, at this time it's around 10:00. Then a guy from the building in front, a trailer type building, asked if anyone knew how to fix a printer. My husband has computer experience and volunteered. The reason everyone was standing around was that the printer was broken and they were all waiting on maps with directions to their search areas. Finally the printer started working and they also had some newer model printers brought in, the original printer only printed black and white. You can imagine that black and white maps are not easy to read.

Anyway, we get the map and have our team and head out for our first search of the day, at this point it's 12:00. We were told some bones had already been found and we were to go with canine dogs and check it out. It was cleared, the bones were determined to be animal.

We then go back to the command center for our next mission and get more people on our team while back at the command center. We were assigned to search a fairly large field which had barbed wire around it..we successfully got through the barbed wire without anyone getting hurt, which was a success in itself. We did find some bones, but since the dogs were so busy checking out all of the bones that were being called in they told us to flag the area and leave, the dogs were supposed to come out later.

I am glad we went down to Florida for the search, but was disappointed in certain things. I know it must be hard to pull off a search so large, and the tremendous pressure on TES to find Caylee must have been overwhelming. I still believe in TES and Tim Miller, and will continue to support their efforts in finding the missing. I do hope that some of the problems can become learning lessons for future searches. I still DO NOT agree with the choice to have the meeting at NeJame's club and I don't agree with the way the meeting was run, we received VERY little in real instruction and that's a shame because there were plenty of resources in that meeting, meaning the people, and they could have been better prepared.

Posted by: Sharon | November 11, 2008 at 10:23 PM

[lorettalockhorn]

Not to beat it to death but Tim said searching the river was a waste of time. If so, why would the detectives be there for the dive? I saw Yuri Melich and the other detective there. If they thought it was useless, I am sure they could have used their time in a better way. :flamemad: I'm sorry but I am really disappointed in Tim Miller. I know he knows better than anyone what George and Cindy are feeling but he is letting Cindy call the shots. She got her way again. He packed up his gear and took off because the Anthony's weren't behind his search. Well, what murderer would be?

Cindy has gone nuts and is taking everyone else with her. She's got Tim half way there with his berating Padilla and respecting her desire for Caylee to be alive. Cindy wanted Tim to search for a live Caylee and she wanted to be the one to tell him where to look via her personal tips and not the police tips. Maybe I should get out a crystal ball and tell Tim where to search.

Not sure why Yuri would be there, but weren't a lot of his fans from Websleuths there? Maybe that had something to do with it. Sheesh I can't even figure out how/why the search wasn't done more discreetly to begin with. Wasn't there myself, but after seeing how frenzied things appeared from Murt's (?) video, it makes perfect sense that the was a police presence at the park, especially with the guy from one of the missing persons organizations showing his arse. (Cannot for the life of me think of his name, sorry.)

I really thought after reading the myspace announcements about The Big Search that G&C were okay with it. And according to reports, NeJame gave TM the space for the briefing to be held Friday night. For the Anthonys to be against a recovery search is incongruous with that information (to me anyway).

[applesandorange]

Not to beat it to death but Tim said searching the river was a waste of time. If so, why would the detectives be there for the dive? I saw Yuri Melich and the other detective there. If they thought it was useless, I am sure they could have used their time in a better way. :flamemad: I'm sorry but I am really disappointed in Tim Miller. I know he knows better than anyone what George and Cindy are feeling but he is letting Cindy call the shots. She got her way again. He packed up his gear and took off because the Anthony's weren't behind his search. Well, what murderer would be?

Cindy has gone nuts and is taking everyone else with her. She's got Tim half way there with his berating Padilla and respecting her desire for Caylee to be alive. Cindy wanted Tim to search for a live Caylee and she wanted to be the one to tell him where to look via her personal tips and not the police tips. Maybe I should get out a crystal ball and tell Tim where to search.


I like what Tim Miller stands for. I think he does great things. I would not take away from the good that he does HOWEVER I think he has not handled the Caylee search very well at all. Putting LP down IMO is tasteless. LP has done just as much in his own way as Tim. I strongly feel that Tim has befriended NeJame and the Anthony's. By doing this he has compromised the search. Once he started letting Cindy have control of him which BTW I think she has had some form of control over him since the begining and I still do believe she was the reason he abandoned search the first time. Since Cindy in some form controls the search, the search was compromised. I can see how Tim feels pitty on her since he lost his daughter but at the same time he should want justice for Caylee. He should want to bring her body home as bad as LP. I just don't see that in the way this search was handled. Also Tim made the statement "if anyone can do this job better than me let them take over" I think that was an arrogant statement.

[lorettalockhorn]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9137641]

Hi Loretta,

Sounds all true to me. The first paragraph refers to the second $500k bond and the person posting the 10% wanted to remain annonymous but forgot that the papers need to be filed in court - Cindy and George Anthony's name appeared as the people posting the bond.

The second paragraph is in regards to the first time she was bonded out by Leonard Padilla paying the $50k through his nephew in Texas.

Warren missed the mark on the information about National Geographic, which should have been fairly easy to vet, so I just wasn't sure about his source(s).

I swear, when you start to look at who works with whom and who supports whom, it's just a labyrinth. And there's a reference to Press Corps Media. Again. Does anyone local to the Orlando area know if Baez is an owner/part owner?

[Gatordog]

Not sure why Yuri would be there, but weren't a lot of his fans from Websleuths there? Maybe that had something to do with it. Sheesh I can't even figure out how/why the search wasn't done more discreetly to begin with. Wasn't there myself, but after seeing how frenzied things appeared from Murt's (?) video, it makes perfect sense that the was a police presence at the park, especially with the guy from one of the missing persons organizations showing his arse. (Cannot for the life of me think of his name, sorry.)

I really thought after reading the myspace announcements about The Big Search that G&C were okay with it. And according to reports, NeJame gave TM the space for the briefing to be held Friday night. For the Anthonys to be against a recovery search is incongruous with that information (to me anyway).

It's a public park - I came across the search on Saturday quite by accident and then again on Sunday morning I saw Padilla there. I don't know what was seen on the video but there are two paths between the place where the parking is where the video van was and the actual grass and river bank - one path is a road for cars and the other is a jogging/bicycle path. There are people riding bikes, walking dogs, a children's playground is just behind the van so there is a lot of normal everyday park activity that went on that was probably caught on the video. They didn't close the park even when they were searching for the missing jogger who was later found murdered. Yuri might have been there because if evidence was found I imagine that there would have to be a chain of custody documenting it. I can tell you that there was absolutely no frenzy. You might have seen people running around but they were probably on the bike/jogging trail which was right in front of the camera. There is a YMCA located in the park which adds to the amount of people being present. The people at the riverbank were quite subdued since everyone knew what the searchers were looking for. There was absolutely no police presence at the park and none was needed. Probably 50 percent of the people there were media including cameramen. Maybe 25/30 other people were there who were sitting at the park picnic tables watching the dive. That's all that happened while I was there, of course, I wasn't there when Cindy and George showed up with her ranting. Now if anyone was frenzied...

[Gatordog]

Interesting post by Sharon on David Lohr's blog...
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/the-stories-beh.html#comment-138786546



God Bless Sharon and her husband for staying. I am sure a lot of people just left and formed their own search parties. As I said it was totally disorganized. Also first they said searchers had to go to Club Tabu and then they said it was for team leaders only and then Tim arrived over one hour late. By the way Najame owns Club Tabu. :mad: Talk about free publicity. Tim and Mark Najame seem to have become buddies. They are both trying to discredit Leonard Padilla because he is ruffling the Anthony's feathers.

[deacon]

[QUOTE=lorettalockhorn;9137641]

Hi Loretta,

Sounds all true to me. The first paragraph refers to the second $500k bond and the person posting the 10% wanted to remain annonymous but forgot that the papers need to be filed in court - Cindy and George Anthony's name appeared as the people posting the bond.

The second paragraph is in regards to the first time she was bonded out by Leonard Padilla paying the $50k through his nephew in Texas.

I am beginning to wonder if jose put up the money for the second bond.

[One2Snoop]

Profiting Off Caylee: Larry Garrison, Anthony Spokesperson, Pocketed $6,500
Posted by Sean Krause on November 12th, 2008

Although separate from our “Profiting Off Caylee” investigation series, I felt this needed to be included.

Larry Garrison, the spokesperson for the Anthony family, was profiting from the Anthony family. It’s tragic that someone who makes a claim that he cares about Caylee negotiates $6,500 from NBC, who were idiots in paying Garrison.

Attorney Mark Nejame, who represents George & Cindy Anthony, told the Orlando Sentinel, the family is “hurt beyond belief” and feels that Garrison was “pimping” them out.

NBC & ABC paid for licensing fees for photos, Garrison got greedy and told NBC to keep it quiet. Real smart, buddy, the Anthony’s trusted you. Instead, you profited off Caylee Marie Anthony.

Larry Garrison was fired, he says he quit. The right thing to do is to take the $6,500 you profited and give it to a missing person charity or TES. You have NO right to profit from this case, period.

Yet another person who is profiting off Caylee, disgusting!

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1884

[Gatordog]

From WKMG website:

Anthony Family Spokesman Resigns, Saying Truth Better Than Spin
Caylee Anthony Last Seen In June

POSTED: 8:30 am EST November 12, 2008
UPDATED: 2:20 pm EST November 12, 2008


GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- The spokesman for the Anthony family who was hired amid the media crush following the disappearance of their granddaughter, Caylee, and the arrest of their daughter, Casey, has resigned.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PHOTOS: Prayer Vigil For Caylee
PHOTOS: Dive Search, Confrontation
PHOTOS: Casey Baby Photos
PHOTOS: Casey On Surveillance Video
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Caylee, 3, was last seen in mid-June but was not reported missing until mid-July. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's disappearance.

Larry Garrison, the spokesman for George and Cindy Anthony, released a statement on Wednesday about his resignation.

"Due to the erratic behavior over the last several months exhibited by the Anthony family, Larry Garrison is resigning as their spokesperson. It is my opinion that others have manipulated them into situations, that would not dignify the family. I can no longer be part of that behavior. I wish them all the peace and resolution they so deserve. The truth always comes out in the end, and in this case 'The truth is better than the spin,'" the statement said.
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JMO: What about the $200K DATELINE supposedly paid to the Anthonys for Caylee's photographs? I tell you, it all stinks. :cuss:

[lorettalockhorn]

It's a public park - I came across the search on Saturday quite by accident and then again on Sunday morning I saw Padilla there. I don't know what was seen on the video but there are two paths between the place where the parking is where the video van was and the actual grass and river bank - one path is a road for cars and the other is a jogging/bicycle path. There are people riding bikes, walking dogs, a children's playground is just behind the van so there is a lot of normal everyday park activity that went on that was probably caught on the video. They didn't close the park even when they were searching for the missing jogger who was later found murdered. Yuri might have been there because if evidence was found I imagine that there would have to be a chain of custody documenting it. I can tell you that there was absolutely no frenzy. You might have seen people running around but they were probably on the bike/jogging trail which was right in front of the camera. There is a YMCA located in the park which adds to the amount of people being present. The people at the riverbank were quite subdued since everyone knew what the searchers were looking for. There was absolutely no police presence at the park and none was needed. Probably 50 percent of the people there were media including cameramen. Maybe 25/30 other people were there who were sitting at the park picnic tables watching the dive. That's all that happened while I was there, of course, I wasn't there when Cindy and George showed up with her ranting. Now if anyone was frenzied...

It was Murt's video that I saw first and then there were some on the media sites; I think they are all posted. And for sure, they mostly covered the confrontation(s) when G&C arrived. We all have different perspectives for sure; whether or not they are helped or hampered by distance is a mystery to me. There could be arguments made for both; objectivity vs. subjectivity. I know that probably all of us want to hear everything that we can first hand and I love reading your posts!

I'm with a&o and many others in the amount of respect that I have for Tim Miller and TES. He has a God given talent, the grit to persevere in a labor of love, an amazing and proven track record, and it's hard not to believe in his mission.

Kinda wish he hadn't made cracks about Leonard, but hey, who am I to talk?

[One2Snoop]

:cuss: Oh it gets worse...

PROFITING OFF CAYLEE: THE TDBS INVESTIGATION (PART 3 OF 5)

The sad thing is that it’s not just your typical game players cashing in off Caylee’s name. There are those who claim they care compassionately about the case, about this young girl. Who are these people? Let’s take a closer look at the people creating products off Zazzle.com & various smaller websites capitalizing off Caylee’s name.

snip
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1873

[One2Snoop]

Anthony family fires spokesman, says he was secretly profiting from Caylee disappearance
Amy L. Edwards, Sarah Lundy and Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writers
1:29 PM EST, November 12, 2008

While George and Cindy Anthony were making national TV appearances to talk about their missing granddaughter Caylee Anthony, their California spokesman quietly pocketed $6,500, the family's lawyer tells the Orlando Sentinel.

Larry Garrison, who has denied making money off the Anthonys since he began representing them, was paid by NBC, according to an invoice and e-mail realeased to the newspaper by attorney Mark NeJame.

In an exclusive interview this morning, NeJame said the family is "hurt beyond belief" and feels that Garrison was "pimping" them out. They said they have fired the spokesman.

According to the invoice and e-mail from NBC, Garrison was paid for photos. However, NeJame said Garrison didn't have any pictures. NeJame also said Garrison told NBC not to tell the Anthonys about his arrangements.

"My clients, George and Cindy, were in my opinion, sold out," NeJame said. "They . . . were walked into a snake pit completely unbeknownst to them."

The Anthonys have denied making any money off their granddaughter's disappearance.

NBC and ABC officials have admitted to paying licensing fees for photos, which they say is standard practice, though neither company would say how much or to whom they paid.

"It has to stop and these people need to be exposed," NeJame said.

When confronted with the information and documents, Garrison told the Sentinel that the invoice, showing his film company's fax number, California address, as well as his signature, is a fabrication. "Someone is playing games here," Garrison said.

The Anthonys now know Garrison was "shopping" them around to news agencies, NeJame said. They thought he was just a friend to offer public relations advice.

"It's bad enough with everything else I'm going though," Cindy Anthony said in a telephone interview this morning.
Now she questions whether Garrison was paid for other appearances on Inside Edition and other shows.

"I never agreed to go on any shows for money," she said. "I was told numerous times that nobody was making any money."

NeJame said the Anthonys have fired Garrison. But Garrison said this morning he resigned "due to the erratic behavior of the Anthony family over the last two months."

Miller said he once got in a screaming match with Garrison during a phone conversation in which the California spokesman demanded Miller appear on Good Morning America.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-casey-anthony-spokesman-fired-111208,0,6654973.story

[lorettalockhorn]

:cuss: Oh it gets worse...

PROFITING OFF CAYLEE: THE TDBS INVESTIGATION (PART 3 OF 5)

The sad thing is that it’s not just your typical game players cashing in off Caylee’s name. There are those who claim they care compassionately about the case, about this young girl. Who are these people? Let’s take a closer look at the people creating products off Zazzle.com & various smaller websites capitalizing off Caylee’s name.

snip
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1873

Thanks for posting; just read Parts 1 and 2 yesterday.

Is nothing sacred?

[lorettalockhorn]

>>When confronted with the information and documents, Garrison told the Sentinel that the invoice, showing his film company's fax number, California address, as well as his signature, is a fabrication. "Someone is playing games here," Garrison said.

Wonder if NBC paid by check. Wonder if the check was presented for payment and if the endorsement and/or account number is a fabrication too.

[TLC]

After reading more on Tim Miller today I am disappointed in him and I agree with the poster who quoted his comment as arrogant. IMO- he is being wishy washy, on one hand not wanting to lose donations from potential big names, and on the other claiming to be all about Caylee. C&G - no- C alone most likely, has lorded over this associations attempts (TES) to uncover the body from the beginning and despite all the talk, Miller has caved and left. I am not impressed with him anymore, and am sorry for that as I thought he was someone to respect. While I have nothing BUT respect for what TES does- he himself is who I have a problem with. Would someone please fill me in - ARE there still TES searchers in orlando? How long are they there for?

[One2Snoop]

After reading more on Tim Miller today I am disappointed in him and I agree with the poster who quoted his comment as arrogant. IMO- he is being wishy washy, on one hand not wanting to lose donations from potential big names, and on the other claiming to be all about Caylee. C&G - no- C alone most likely, has lorded over this associations attempts (TES) to uncover the body from the beginning and despite all the talk, Miller has caved and left. I am not impressed with him anymore, and am sorry for that as I thought he was someone to respect. While I have nothing BUT respect for what TES does- he himself is who I have a problem with. Would someone please fill me in - ARE there still TES searchers in orlando? How long are they there for?

I believe I read in one of the articles this morning that a small group of people associated with TES are still there searching.

[One2Snoop]

This is from David Lohr's inteview with TM yesterday...

"I feel as though we accomplished a lot. Nearly all of the areas that law enforcement wanted covered have been searched. We generated far more resources than before. We now have 100 local members on the scene. They are capable of doing a good job and they are going to continue looking for Caylee.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/strait-talk-wit.html

[Gatordog]

It was Murt's video that I saw first and then there were some on the media sites; I think they are all posted. And for sure, they mostly covered the confrontation(s) when G&C arrived. We all have different perspectives for sure; whether or not they are helped or hampered by distance is a mystery to me. There could be arguments made for both; objectivity vs. subjectivity. I know that probably all of us want to hear everything that we can first hand and I love reading your posts!

I'm with a&o and many others in the amount of respect that I have for Tim Miller and TES. He has a God given talent, the grit to persevere in a labor of love, an amazing and proven track record, and it's hard not to believe in his mission.

Kinda wish he hadn't made cracks about Leonard, but hey, who am I to talk?

Found out that G&C Anthony arrived with the KidFinders people. Milstead from KidFinders is the one who got confrontational with the media person. Kid Finders is also the organization which paid Mark Najame to represent the Anthonys so Najame is making money too. I won't get into too much detail regarding KidFinders but I wouldn't donate one dime to them. There are two new Board positions open and I can just see G&C being put on the Board.

[Gatordog]

I believe I read in one of the articles this morning that a small group of people associated with TES are still there searching.

There are 40 local people who have agreed to continue searching on the weekends on their own and Tim Miller will check in with them.

[Gatordog]

[QUOTE=Gatordog;9137649]

I am beginning to wonder if jose put up the money for the second bond.

It was George and Cindy. The documents show it and they paid it most likely with the money they received from the so called licensing fee for the video and photos shown on Dateline. It was reported that Lee was involved in the transaction of selling the video clips of Caylee in the pool and also with cake.

[deacon]

From WKMG website:

Anthony Family Spokesman Resigns, Saying Truth Better Than Spin
Caylee Anthony Last Seen In June

POSTED: 8:30 am EST November 12, 2008
UPDATED: 2:20 pm EST November 12, 2008


GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- The spokesman for the Anthony family who was hired amid the media crush following the disappearance of their granddaughter, Caylee, and the arrest of their daughter, Casey, has resigned.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PHOTOS: Prayer Vigil For Caylee
PHOTOS: Dive Search, Confrontation
PHOTOS: Casey Baby Photos
PHOTOS: Casey On Surveillance Video
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Caylee, 3, was last seen in mid-June but was not reported missing until mid-July. Her mother, Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on first-degree murder charges in her daughter's disappearance.

Larry Garrison, the spokesman for George and Cindy Anthony, released a statement on Wednesday about his resignation.

"Due to the erratic behavior over the last several months exhibited by the Anthony family, Larry Garrison is resigning as their spokesperson. It is my opinion that others have manipulated them into situations, that would not dignify the family. I can no longer be part of that behavior. I wish them all the peace and resolution they so deserve. The truth always comes out in the end, and in this case 'The truth is better than the spin,'" the statement said.
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JMO: What about the $200K DATELINE supposedly paid to the Anthonys for Caylee's photographs? I tell you, it all stinks. :cuss:

This is getting worse than a soap opera.:rolleyes:

[One2Snoop]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43320709.pdf

http://i37.tinypic.com/10oogw0.jpg

[deacon]

:cuss: Oh it gets worse...

PROFITING OFF CAYLEE: THE TDBS INVESTIGATION (PART 3 OF 5)

The sad thing is that it’s not just your typical game players cashing in off Caylee’s name. There are those who claim they care compassionately about the case, about this young girl. Who are these people? Let’s take a closer look at the people creating products off Zazzle.com & various smaller websites capitalizing off Caylee’s name.

snip
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1873

Isn't it illegal to make money off of someone else's name?

[One2Snoop]

There are 40 local people who have agreed to continue searching on the weekends on their own and Tim Miller will check in with them.


Whether its 40 or 100 - thats a good thing people are still searching for Caylee. Thanks for the info Gator.

[One2Snoop]

Isn't it illegal to make money off of someone else's name?

I don't think its illegal but it certainly isn't appropriate IMO.

[grneyes]

I don't think its illegal but it certainly isn't appropriate IMO.

Actually, it may be illegal too unless they got permission to use the name.

[One2Snoop]

PART IV AND PART V: THE CONCLUSION

Tragedy plays a role in this case. A little 3-year-old girl is missing & individuals profit from the case. The final two individuals, William Murtaugh & Tricia from Websleuths, seem to be a pairing in the making.

BREAKING NEWS: THE DIRT ON MURT

William Murtaugh, also known as Murt, decided to make himself apart of the case. The funny thing is, he’s a man with a camera, nothing more.

snip
http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1890

[One2Snoop]

Leonard Padilla has confirmed that the man who attacked a news reporter and grabbed his camara,and was yelling to the Caylee search supporters was Dennis Milstead....Pres of Kid Finders Network.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2zt9kl2.jpg

[lorettalockhorn]

Found out that G&C Anthony arrived with the KidFinders people. Milstead from KidFinders is the one who got confrontational with the media person. Kid Finders is also the organization which paid Mark Najame to represent the Anthonys so Najame is making money too. I won't get into too much detail regarding KidFinders but I wouldn't donate one dime to them. There are two new Board positions open and I can just see G&C being put on the Board.

Yes, thanks! Milstead is the name that I couldn't remember. Doesn't he have an unsavory past/criminal record? I find him repugnant.

[One2Snoop]

Yes, thanks! Milstead is the name that I couldn't remember. Doesn't he have an unsavory past/criminal record? I find him repugnant.

Yes he does - I think I posted info on it around here somewhere - let me see if I can find it.

[One2Snoop]

bump....

Here's the link about Kid Finders...

4th post down -
http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/dedicated-link-thread-links-only-please-f7/alleged-dubious-donations-foundations-trusts-t88.htm#20261

This is the arrest record....

http://courtcon.co.palm-beach.fl.us/pls/jiwp/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=502002MM007101AXXXMB&begin_date=&end_date=

[lorettalockhorn]

bump....

Milstead has been bashed to smithereens several places.

As has Murt; one of the complaints was that yesterday he focused the camera on the child who organized the vigil for Caylee and who was hospitalized after claims that Cindy had hounded her. Apparently Murt took her home (or followed her home) and people are worried that pedophiles will now know where she lives and that she is in danger.

On the other hand, there are sites where Murt can only be discussed in glowing terms. And plenty of places where TM and LP and being either glorified or vilified. And one site where Tim and TES are golden, but David Lohr is disdained, even though he seems to be the one Miller has asked to cover these early November searches.

How's a girl to keep up?

[TLC]

I believe I read in one of the articles this morning that a small group of people associated with TES are still there searching.

Thank you!

[One2Snoop]

Milstead has been bashed to smithereens several places.

As has Murt; one of the complaints was that yesterday he focused the camera on the child who organized the vigil for Caylee and who was hospitalized after claims that Cindy had hounded her. Apparently Murt took her home (or followed her home) and people are worried that pedophiles will now know where she lives and that she is in danger.

On the other hand, there are sites where Murt can only be discussed in glowing terms. And plenty of places where TM and LP and being either glorified or vilified. And one site where Tim and TES are golden, but David Lohr is disdained, even though he seems to be the one Miller has asked to cover these early November searches.

How's a girl to keep up?

Actually it was Dakota's grandmother Lois who took Murt to her house - Dakota evidently got on the cam last night and started singing - her grandma was supposedly sleeping when this took place.

I hear ya on all the rest of the above - makes my head spin sometimes. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0091.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)

[lorettalockhorn]

Actually it was Dakota's grandmother Lois who took Murt to her house - Dakota evidently got on the cam last night and started singing - her grandma was supposedly sleeping when this took place.

I hear ya on all the rest of the above - makes my head spin sometimes. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0091.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)

LMAO CL needs to add this little guy!! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0091.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php) I need it especially for names lately.

[One2Snoop]

I hope no one gets offended (well don't click on the link if you think you will LOL) but the person who writes this blog keeps me in stitches - http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0195.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php) regarding some of the ridiculous things that have gone on with this case.

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=268

[One2Snoop]

You can read about Grandma Lois here...

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=265

[lorettalockhorn]

I hope no one gets offended (well don't click on the link if you think you will LOL) but the person who writes this blog keeps me in stitches - http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0195.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-animated-smileys.php) regarding some of the ridiculous things that have gone on with this case.

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=268

I read that one too sometimes. Heck, I read 'em all. And watch Nancy Grace (with the requisite pillar of salt). I'm like Nikki on OLTL; I love to slum!

LMAO Wet Spot.

[One2Snoop]

I read that one too sometimes. Heck, I read 'em all. And watch Nancy Grace (with the requisite pillar of salt). I'm like Nikki on OLTL; I love to slum!

LMAO Wet Spot.

I really do dislike WS and this one really cracked me up - Wet Spot. ROFLMAO. http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/happy/happy0194.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-cool-smileys.php)

[One2Snoop]

http://i36.tinypic.com/fbwzue.jpg

http://www.wftv.com/news/17966481/detail.html

[wind149]

To think that people are profiting from this whole charade is enough to make the strongest person PUKE!!!! WTFFFFFF!!!!!! I am so sick of these jerk off Anthony's that I am almost at a passage where until they find this little angel's body, I don't want to hear anymore about this!!! Maybe that is the reason that NG is not focusing her show about this nightly, what is there to report but more crap coming out of Cindy's mouth, more crap coming from Baez, more supposed leads that won't pan out, and now Leonard is the asswipe of the day according to Cindy and this man has spent his own money trying to find this child and they are not even remotely grateful, I bet he kicks himself now for even posting that ungrateful witch's b/i/t/c/h daughter's bail to begin with and ya know I kinda checked around about him and what I have found out is that he, for the most part is a straight shooter.

Keep in mind this man is not in LE, but a bounty hunter is allowed to arrest bail jumpers and he has probably heard every lame ass excuse there is, he has been around the criminal element for over 30 years and he is completely blown away by these morons!!! At some point even bail jumping addicts will come clean about why they leaped, but this pile of losers, you could not even make them up for a dysfunctional soap opera family!!! I posted on the SS board that I think Casey is using her as a reason for not giving it up, she must have read about her somewhere that she was facing the DP the minute she came clean where her boys were, and I think this evil scumbag thinks that the longer I hold out, they will take the DP off the table just so they can find C's body and probably thinks if she holds off even longer, they will give her a plea deal whereas she can possibly get parole and I hope to Christ on a cracker that this too, backfires on her. Baez could hold this trial in Toad Suck KY and will be hard pressed to find 12 impartial people, this child's face is embedded in people's minds all over this world even, I was on a site the other night and there were people posting from the Netherlands, Ireland, even Spain!!! And even more proof that this child died in June, no one has ever seen her beyond this horrible family she had the misfortune to be brought into!!!

And funny? NO MORE SPIN ABOUT THE NANNY!!! Ain't that sumptin???? She ruins Zenaida's life and now we fade to black and white and whoops, sorry???? I think Baez is trying to make a name for himself, he clearly loves the camera, and I know most attorneys want to believe in their client's innocence, makes them be more driven to prove it, but surely by now, a true by the law and book attorney would be wanting to ditch her, because they would know by now, this girl is a psycho from hell and they don't want any part of this charade!!! And I have not got a straight answer as to who is paying this tool!!!! I asked a friend from VT the other night who is a paralegal and his firm is widely respected, and he was like, "no senior partner is this firm would touch this even if they could bill at $100,000 an hour"!!!! And the reason? They have discussed this at length and reached the conclusion early on that this loser, self serving skank is a cold calculating, monster and they do not believe a word out of her mouth from a day one, and in good faith would not represent her even for the check charges! He feels that she does warrant the DP for many reasons. The chloroform shot up a red flag, why in hell would a 22 year old woman be looking on the net to make it??? The car and all it held. Decomp, hair from a deceased person who shares the DNA, the cadaver dog hits, all adds us to Mark and his firm, one word! Murder 1!!! Also, the nanny crap, this woman babysits for over a year, but not one family member ever saw or talked to her, family friends elude to the same, the lies about where she worked, the fish lies about the squirrels, the pizza, the cell phone calls, not one to a Zenaida Gonzales, or she called in return, and lets not forget the jail house conversations. So I am getting very jaded here, I could give a rat's ass about the whole lot of them, and so is the rest of the country and most of you guys have children, I have god-kids and losing one to a drunk driver is still extremely painful, I am almost now over protective of my youngest boy and I talk to him daily and see him usually on the weekends and if anything were to happen to him, I know I would lose it!! This scumbag murders her child because she got in the way of her good times, shades of Susan Smith, Pam Smart, and Scott Peterson, at least we know they will never leave prison unless it is in a pine box and SP will be executed some day and so should this b/i/t/c/h!!!:mad::flamemad:

[sharlock]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-11/43320709.pdf

http://i37.tinypic.com/10oogw0.jpgCan George and Cindy sue Larry to make him give them this money due to the fact he offered to work for them for free, and, he did not legally own the photos he sold the rights for?

[Gatordog]

Actually, it may be illegal too unless they got permission to use the name.

I think it's illegal if the name has been copywritten.

[Brainstorm]

To think that people are profiting from this whole charade is enough to make the strongest person PUKE!!!! WTFFFFFF!!!!!! I am so sick of these jerk off Anthony's that I am almost at a passage where until they find this little angel's body, I don't want to hear anymore about this!!! Maybe that is the reason that NG is not focusing her show about this nightly, what is there to report but more crap coming out of Cindy's mouth, more crap coming from Baez, more supposed leads that won't pan out, and now Leonard is the asswipe of the day according to Cindy and this man has spent his own money trying to find this child and they are not even remotely grateful, I bet he kicks himself now for even posting that ungrateful witch's b/i/t/c/h daughter's bail to begin with and ya know I kinda checked around about him and what I have found out is that he, for the most part is a straight shooter.

Keep in mind this man is not in LE, but a bounty hunter is allowed to arrest bail jumpers and he has probably heard every lame ass excuse there is, he has been around the criminal element for over 30 years and he is completely blown away by these morons!!! At some point even bail jumping addicts will come clean about why they leaped, but this pile of losers, you could not even make them up for a dysfunctional soap opera family!!! I posted on the SS board that I think Casey is using her as a reason for not giving it up, she must have read about her somewhere that she was facing the DP the minute she came clean where her boys were, and I think this evil scumbag thinks that the longer I hold out, they will take the DP off the table just so they can find C's body and probably thinks if she holds off even longer, they will give her a plea deal whereas she can possibly get parole and I hope to Christ on a cracker that this too, backfires on her. Baez could hold this trial in Toad Suck KY and will be hard pressed to find 12 impartial people, this child's face is embedded in people's minds all over this world even, I was on a site the other night and there were people posting from the Netherlands, Ireland, even Spain!!! And even more proof that this child died in June, no one has ever seen her beyond this horrible family she had the misfortune to be brought into!!!

And funny? NO MORE SPIN ABOUT THE NANNY!!! Ain't that sumptin???? She ruins Zenaida's life and now we fade to black and white and whoops, sorry???? I think Baez is trying to make a name for himself, he clearly loves the camera, and I know most attorneys want to believe in their client's innocence, makes them be more driven to prove it, but surely by now, a true by the law and book attorney would be wanting to ditch her, because they would know by now, this girl is a psycho from hell and they don't want any part of this charade!!! And I have not got a straight answer as to who is paying this tool!!!! I asked a friend from VT the other night who is a paralegal and his firm is widely respected, and he was like, "no senior partner is this firm would touch this even if they could bill at $100,000 an hour"!!!! And the reason? They have discussed this at length and reached the conclusion early on that this loser, self serving skank is a cold calculating, monster and they do not believe a word out of her mouth from a day one, and in good faith would not represent her even for the check charges! He feels that she does warrant the DP for many reasons. The chloroform shot up a red flag, why in hell would a 22 year old woman be looking on the net to make it??? The car and all it held. Decomp, hair from a deceased person who shares the DNA, the cadaver dog hits, all adds us to Mark and his firm, one word! Murder 1!!! Also, the nanny crap, this woman babysits for over a year, but not one family member ever saw or talked to her, family friends elude to the same, the lies about where she worked, the fish lies about the squirrels, the pizza, the cell phone calls, not one to a Zenaida Gonzales, or she called in return, and lets not forget the jail house conversations. So I am getting very jaded here, I could give a rat's ass about the whole lot of them, and so is the rest of the country and most of you guys have children, I have god-kids and losing one to a drunk driver is still extremely painful, I am almost now over protective of my youngest boy and I talk to him daily and see him usually on the weekends and if anything were to happen to him, I know I would lose it!! This scumbag murders her child because she got in the way of her good times, shades of Susan Smith, Pam Smart, and Scott Peterson, at least we know they will never leave prison unless it is in a pine box and SP will be executed some day and so should this b/i/t/c/h!!!:mad::flamemad:


AWESOME POST !!! and ITA.......... I am sick of them playing games with EVERYONE that could/can help.They are enjoying this,imo.
The media should IGNORE them.Just stay focused on finding the childs remains.Quit feeding them attention.
I have never seen a fenzy like is happening at WS.Thank God I got banned from there on another case,before this happened.
I'll check HERE for updates,and I do care about the child, BUT, IMO, she is safely in Gods arms now, so all this other is about them,not her.

[Gatordog]

Yes, thanks! Milstead is the name that I couldn't remember. Doesn't he have an unsavory past/criminal record? I find him repugnant.

Yes he does - felonies and worse. This is the man George and Cindy have hooked up with.

[Brainstorm]

Yes he does - felonies and worse. This is the man George and Cindy have hooked up with.

OMG, why am I not surprised? evil begets evil,imo.

[Gatordog]

Milstead has been bashed to smithereens several places.

As has Murt; one of the complaints was that yesterday he focused the camera on the child who organized the vigil for Caylee and who was hospitalized after claims that Cindy had hounded her. Apparently Murt took her home (or followed her home) and people are worried that pedophiles will now know where she lives and that she is in danger.

On the other hand, there are sites where Murt can only be discussed in glowing terms. And plenty of places where TM and LP and being either glorified or vilified. And one site where Tim and TES are golden, but David Lohr is disdained, even though he seems to be the one Miller has asked to cover these early November searches.

How's a girl to keep up?

I didn't notice the girl there but her grandmother was there. She didn't get there by herself, her grandmother took her unless she arrived after school with someone else. They were on local news a lot and mentioned where they live, go to school, go to church etc. I would say she's in no more danger than she was before. Why in the world would the grandmother permit her to be there knowing that she is fragile? What if they found something?

[lorettalockhorn]

I didn't notice the girl there but her grandmother was there. She didn't get there by herself, her grandmother took her unless she arrived after school with someone else. They were on local news a lot and mentioned where they live, go to school, go to church etc. I would say she's in no more danger than she was before. Why in the world would the grandmother permit her to be there knowing that she is fragile? What if they found something?

Man, I don't know the answers to most of this trash! But, speaking of school, the caseworker in me always wonders why the heck the kids I see in some of these videos aren't in school during the day. Does FL have different hours than AR or half days or something?

I didn't say that Dakota is in danger; putting her on camera was one of the complaints alleged against Murt. Personally, I would keep the child far from what caused her so much anxiety that she landed in the hospital.

[Gatordog]

Can George and Cindy sue Larry to make him give them this money due to the fact he offered to work for them for free, and, he did not legally own the photos he sold the rights for?

I believe he offered to work without charging them, which in my opinion, is different than free. He didn't charge them. I think it's terrible that he went behind their back and charged the networks. But the man seemed shady from the start. He worked on the Natalie Holloway case and then wrote a book about it. It wasn't a secret that he did that. The Anthonys were looking for something for nothing and didn't bother to look at people's reputations, just like KidFinders. Cindy is a user and that's that. When something is to her advantage it's fine, when someone doesn't agree with her, they are then trash. Gee, I wonder who else in the family is like that? I guess it's genetic.

[Gatordog]

Man, I don't know the answers to most of this trash! But, speaking of school, the caseworker in me always wonders why the heck the kids I see in some of these videos aren't in school during the day. Does FL have different hours than AR or half days or something?

I didn't say that Dakota is in danger; putting her on camera was one of the complaints alleged against Murt. Personally, I would keep the child far from what caused her so much anxiety that she landed in the hospital.

I didn't see her the first day and I did not go there for the Memorial/Prayer service on Tuesday. Tuesday was Veteran's Day so the schools were closed. I tell you Loretta, this is getting to me. It's way to close to home.

[lorettalockhorn]

I didn't see her the first day and I did not go there for the Memorial/Prayer service on Tuesday. Tuesday was Veteran's Day so the schools were closed. I tell you Loretta, this is getting to me. It's way to close to home.

We had school on Veteran's Day here in Podunk. Thanks for letting me know. (I didn't see Dakota in the video the day of the dive, and didn't see the Murt video in question.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Jose Baez is on Jami Floyd: Best Defense.

[Gatordog]

First, I want to say I'm sorry for being so adament yesterday, so defensive of Padilla. There have been many news reports which haven't made it to the websites of Cindy, Najame and Tim Miller blasting Padilla and it was unfair. Just yesterday, again, Tim Miller was with Najame in Najame's penthouse office overlooking the city, blasting Padilla and now the spokesman for making money. I thought Tim was going to North Carolina? As of yesterday, he was still here, but not searching.

Two months ago, Jose Baez told a reporter from WKMG that he could not speak to them because he had signed an exclusivity contract with another network - he made money. KidFinders' owners own print shops, do you think they went to Kinkos to produce their flyers, or paid themselves? Najame was paid by Kidfinders, through donations meant to find Caylee, to respresent G&C - he made money. G&C don't seem to be working but they are getting along fine. How?

Forgive me for being so negative. I have to pass that park everyday and now I believe little Caylee is probably in that river. Last night I was outside in my yard playing with the dogs, and what do I have to see, the park. It's right behind my house. I had nightmares last night and this stupid family is causing this to happen.

Leonard Padilla did something to try to help which isn't what Cindy wanted so now he gets defamed. I was reading the pages of evidence which were recently released and George tells the police it's very hard to control his wife because she want to run the investigation her way and have her information investigated not what the police think is important. By the way, I think Padilla did this not for money, because it cost him money, but out of a vendetta now towards Casey. He trused her and she made a mockery out of him. I don't think he lets anyone make a fool of him and get away with it.

An earlier post mentioned LP as being a bounty hunter and dealing with these liars all the time. He is also an attorney. He knows the law as well as any of these other people trying to make a buck off this case. I can't stand this hypocrisy. Cindy is so very good at making everyone else the scapegoat and talks of her daughter like she is Mother Teresa. Cindy is twisting everyone to her side, her attorney, Tim Miller, the media, it's disgusting.

I believe Cindy is not looking to bring home a live or dead Caylee. She is looking to bring home Casey because she knows Caylee is no longer with us. And if she is in the park, there is no place more beautiful or peaceful. Ducks and birds are always on the river and it's really a calming place. Even Padilla said he's at peace knowing she's there rather than in a garbage dump. :rose:

[Gatordog]

I need to make a correction to what I wrote yesterday. I wrote that Dateline paid up to $200K for the video and pictures of Caylee. It was 20/20 not Dateline.

[Gatordog]

Jose Baez is on Jami Floyd: Best Defense.

Jose Baez the Best Defense? :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Jose Baez the Best Defense? :biggrin:

LMAO Something tells me we'll never see Jami Floyd on Jose Baez: The Best Defense. :hat:

JF really bashed the media and how they are tainting the jury pool ad nauseum. It's impossible to disagree with that point.

But Baez was bashing LE and the prosecution for doing nothing to find live Caylee. Hellllloooo Maybe her mother could give them a lead. Or Cindy; she seems to always be claiming to know what's up.

[deacon]

LMAO Something tells me we'll never see Jami Floyd on Jose Baez: The Best Defense. :hat:

JF really bashed the media and how they are tainting the jury pool ad nauseum. It's impossible to disagree with that point.

But Baez was bashing LE and the prosecution for doing nothing to find live Caylee. Hellllloooo Maybe her mother could give them a lead. Or Cindy; she seems to always be claiming to know what's up.

It is simply turning into a bash fest. Sad part is, doing this will not lead us to a live Caylee or a dead Caylee. Just in circles like little kids sticking their tongues out at each other and fighting. Where are the adults in this? The only ones that I see acting like adults are LE. Quietly going about their job tighteninf the noose around cindy's little baby daughter's neck. You know, the one who couldn't stay out of bars, saying her daughter was missing and she was looking for her and doing her own investigating. All the while the only investigation she could do was to find the next guy to sleep with and where her next "hit" was coming from. Add to that, the next person she could steal from.

[NMurphy02]

Great post! And I agree with each and every word.

[Gatordog]

LMAO Something tells me we'll never see Jami Floyd on Jose Baez: The Best Defense. :hat:

JF really bashed the media and how they are tainting the jury pool ad nauseum. It's impossible to disagree with that point.

But Baez was bashing LE and the prosecution for doing nothing to find live Caylee. Hellllloooo Maybe her mother could give them a lead. Or Cindy; she seems to always be claiming to know what's up.

I'm not sure about tainting the jury pool. Maybe it's what JB wants - the jury won't be able to hear any surprises during the trial. Think of all the defendants in high profiile murder cases who have walked. OJ, Phil Spector, that millionaire nut who cut off his neighbor's head in Dallas, Robert Blake.

[Gatordog]

Leonard is back.

One of the reasons I have been so upset is I remembered seeing something on the bridge of the river back towards early summer. I didn't connect it with anything important until Tuesday. I called Padilla's number and spoke to his partner and gave him the info. Maybe it was something afterall. I'm in tears. Please don't let me have seen the day this child may have been put into the river. :(


http://www.wftv.com/news/17972452/detail.html

[Gatordog]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7853986&version=10&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[Gatordog]

Gator, please don't do this to yourself. There is no way you could have known, no way anyone could have known what was happening at that time.

:rose:

Thank you Old Soul, I appreciate it very much. I spoke to a detective and he has tried to reassure me that what I saw was unrelated. Back towards early summer, I saw a white car parked in the median of the bridge, trunk faced downward towards the river. There is a slope there and cars passing by wouldn't see a car there, but since I was making a u-turn right there, I saw it. I can't say exactly when it happened but it was probably mid to late June. I remembered it because I was afraid the car would roll back into the river. No one has ever put a car there. But due to the construction work going on at the time, I thought maybe it was a worker who put left his car there although there were no workers there at the time. I'm going to believe that it was a coincidence and I really don't have the exact time frame, but it was early morning in early summer.

[Gatordog]

Can this be true?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7857222&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[deacon]

Can this be true?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7857222&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Yes it very well could be true. BTW, even if you had known what was going on with Caylee, which you didn't, and if that were what you are afraid you saw, which it probably wasn't, there was absolutely nothing you could have done for Caylee. Remember, she would have been dead by then. :rose:

[Twinners]

Can this be true?

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7857222&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Thanks for the link to the article.

I find it very hard to believe this could be true IF all they found was fingers and toes because, IMO, that would mean something happened to the body prior to it being dumped in the water. Also, if they did find them, after all this time in the water, wouldn't bones be all there is left?

[Gatordog]

Yes it very well could be true. BTW, even if you had known what was going on with Caylee, which you didn't, and if that were what you are afraid you saw, which it probably wasn't, there was absolutely nothing you could have done for Caylee. Remember, she would have been dead by then. :rose:

Thank you Deacon. You're right, I had no way of knowing or even guessing what could have been happening. I didn't even have a reason to suspect she would have used the river until this week.

Thank you again for being so kind.

[Twinners]

Here's a little more news on the bag they found today.
From WESH

ORLANDO, FL -- Divers searching for a sign of Caylee Anthony found a plastic bag with toys and small bones weighted down by bricks on Thursday, bounty hunter Leonard Padilla said.

Inside the bag were two toys and bones the size of fingers and toes, Padilla said. There also was a shamrock, which Padilla said was a favorite symbol of Casey Anthony.

The FBI has been called.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=123737&catid=3

Maybe it is true after all. :(

[One2Snoop]

OMG! :eek: :eek:

:rose:

[One2Snoop]

Live Video...

http://www.local6.com/video/14013179/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the link to the article.

I find it very hard to believe this could be true IF all they found was fingers and toes because, IMO, that would mean something happened to the body prior to it being dumped in the water. Also, if they did find them, after all this time in the water, wouldn't bones be all there is left?

It's occurred to me that Caylee might have been burned, but it never occurred to me that she might have been dismembered. UGH

[One2Snoop]

Cindy's on live stream said a tip just came in for a sighting of Caylee in Coral Springs McDonalds - license plate was given.

[One2Snoop]

It's occurred to me that Caylee might have been burned, but it never occurred to me that she might have been dismembered. UGH

That can also happen thru animal activity.

[One2Snoop]

Just reported - invesitgators are leaving the scene and said its not a crime scene. Not calling in the Orange County Dive team.

[applesandorange]

IMO LE needs to give LP more credit. At least he is using his own money to look for Caylee. Even if this was nothing the divers MIGHT find something. I think they have discredited LP immaturely.

[applesandorange]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]The diver stated from all his years of experience, this bag found definately showed signs of animal activity. Mind you, at the time, that bag could have been buried in the area, because when Caylee went missing, there was a drought. Then shortly after came the storm and possibly dislodged it. Highly doubtful this is a hoax either because there was quite a bit of silt over what was found[.

What is alarming is the shamrock. as we all know, Casey has a shamrock tattoo and all kinds of shamrock thingies/FONT]

I think Tim from TES owes Padilla an apology for those derogatory statements. Apparently, the sonar does not catch everything, eh? :punch:


I agree. How can they be so sure this is nothing? Are they not going to test any of these things that look like bone fragments?

[One2Snoop]

Via Live Stream....

Orange County Sheriff saying plastic bag is not related to the disappearance of Caylee.

[applesandorange]

Orange County Sheriff saying plastic bag is not related to the disappearance of Caylee.


I watched the video when they said this. How can they be so sure. I wonder if anything LP finds will be taken seriously? :shrug:

[Gatordog]

Cindy's on live stream said a tip just came in for a sighting of Caylee in Coral Springs McDonalds - license plate was given.

Hi O2S,

The Space Shuttle is going up on Friday, maybe Cindy should give them a photograph so they can look for her up in the International Space Station. Heck, according to Cindy she's been in Texas, NY, North Carolina, Atlanta, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Deltona, Gainesville and now Coral Springs.

Gator

[One2Snoop]

Watch CNN-they are saying that childs toys and bones resembling finger and toe have been found in Blacnchard Park River. As i was watching reporter said they are just pulled out something else. May be the break???? Mike Brooks to come on in a few. Lets hope Caylee has been found.:rose:

beemeup - See my post above - Sheriffs office is supposed to be making an official statement shortly.

[One2Snoop]

Hi O2S,

The Space Shuttle is going up on Friday, maybe Cindy should give them a photograph so they can look for her up in the International Space Station. Heck, according to Cindy she's been in Texas, NY, North Carolina, Atlanta, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Deltona, Gainesville and now Coral Springs.

Gator

LOL - you should call that suggestion in to the tip line. :tongue:

[applesandorange]

beemeup - See my post above - Sheriffs office is supposed to be making an official statement shortly.


When I turned it on it was about Palin

[applesandorange]

Okay the only thing I caught on CNN was them confirming that LE said there is nothing of evidentiary value there and that LE and the divers disagreed about what was thought to be bones.

[Gatordog]

From the video I've seen on my pc, it looks as if this isn't the actual river. Just outside the gates to the river is a retention pond. This looks like it might be the retention pond which could make a lot of sense. The gates to the park don't open on the Dean Road side until 8 a.m. It's possible she was there very early and couldn't get in so she dumped the bag into the pond. There are cormorants there all the time and, I hate to say, vultures. We have possums, raccoons, armadillos, snakes, lizards, all sorts of wild creatures which could have disturbed the body.

I hate to say I hope they have found her, but she needs to be found so her mother can be prosecuted. I don't know how the police could have brushed it off so easily. I guess the way they told me over the phone that my sighting was nothing related, they assume this is nothing. :shrug:

[applesandorange]

From the video I've seen on my pc, it looks as if this isn't the actual river. Just outside the gates to the river is a retention pond. This looks like it might be the retention pond which could make a lot of sense. The gates to the park don't open on the Dean Road side until 8 a.m. It's possible she was there very early and couldn't get in so she dumped the bag into the pond. There are cormorants there all the time and, I hate to say, vultures. We have possums, raccoons, armadillos, snakes, lizards, all sorts of wild creatures which could have disturbed the body.

I hate to say I hope they have found her, but she needs to be found so her mother can be prosecuted. I don't know how the police could have brushed it off so easily. I guess the way they told me over the phone that my sighting was nothing related, they assume this is nothing. :shrug:

I wonder if LE is comfortable with what they have evidence wise that they can put Casey away for life. I wonder if they are not into actually recovering her body because they don't need to. I know that is so negative but I just cannot understand why they blew you off so quickly and are now blowing this find off so quickly. I hope what you seen wasn't Casey disposing of Caylee but it could have been and they just almost ignored you.

IMO something stinks. TM being all chummy with CA and lashing out against LP, LE not taking a lead seriously and looking at a find and brushing it off so quickly. They also said " we found nothing, this was LP find" making it seem as though they discredit LP. I wonder if the only person WANTING Caylee found is LP? Tim said he used side radar and found nothing...well what was that bag of toys and "maybe" bones? I don't know but something just isnt sitting right with me.

[Gatordog]

My mom just called me to say that on the news, they showed Padilla leaving the park in a police car to take a polygraph test. This is the last person they should polygraph. How about hooking up Grandma to one and seeing if what she says is true. :flamemad:

[Gatordog]

I wonder if LE is comfortable with what they have evidence wise that they can put Casey away for life. I wonder if they are not into actually recovering her body because they don't need to. I know that is so negative but I just cannot understand why they blew you off so quickly and are now blowing this find off so quickly. I hope what you seen wasn't Casey disposing of Caylee but it could have been and they just almost ignored you.

IMO something stinks. TM being all chummy with CA and lashing out against LP, LE not taking a lead seriously and looking at a find and brushing it off so quickly. They also said " we found nothing, this was LP find" making it seem as though they discredit LP. I wonder if the only person WANTING Caylee found is LP? Tim said he used side radar and found nothing...well what was that bag of toys and "maybe" bones? I don't know but something just isnt sitting right with me.

A&O, you're absoultely right. It boggles my mind.

[Gatordog]

I'll be watching NG and I hope she has something on this tonight and for crying out loud, I hope she lets Padilla finish a sentence.

Gator

And thanks to all who have reassured me. I am feeling much more relieved and not so anxious any longer. G&C should be the ones feeling anxious.

[applesandorange]

A&O, you're absoultely right. It boggles my mind.


I am so aggravated by this whole thing. It really irritates me the way they are treating LP. Instead of being grateful for his help both man power and financially they are treating him like a suspect now and giving him a polygraph. WTF is wrong in FL? Did everyone except you drink the kool aid?

[lorettalockhorn]

That can also happen thru animal activity.

Posted that on the fly; didn't mean to imply that there aren't any number of reasons that there would only be bones. Just that it had suddenly occurred to me that Casey is probably capable of anything and it hit me like a ton of bricks.

[applesandorange]

ORLANDO - The lead investigator in the case of missing Caylee Marie said reports of bones at Jay Blanchard Park is "not a crime scene."

Sgt. John Allen of the Orange County Sheriff's Office said "this is Leonard [Padilla's] operation." He would not answer any questions dealing with the findings discovered by Padilla's dive team.

Diver Todd Bosinski, who is part of bounty hunter Padilla's dive team, showed a reporter some of the items found during the search in the Little Econ River, which included a plastic bag with beads and other trinkets. "I never said it was evidence,'' Bosinski said.

He did not show the alleged bones, adding that the divers were not sure if they even found bones.



Related links
Volunteers search for Caylee Marie Anthony Photos
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Casey Anthony evidence photos released Photos
READ FOR YOURSELF: Larry Garrison invoice to NBC
READ FOR YOURSELF: Correspondence between NBC and Cindy Anthony
READ IT: Excerpts from the DCF report
READ IT: 11/6: Excerpts from Casey Anthony discovery documents
The Caylee Anthony case: From the beginning
TV Guy Hal Boedeker's commentary on the Casey Anthony case coverage A sheriff's official described what was discovered today as "found property."

"There's nothing to indicate it has anything to do with this case,'' sheriff's spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said.

Sheriff's officials said they are upset at how Padilla handled the discovery, which drew large numbers of people around the search area.

"Law-enforcement should have been the first to be called and not the media," sheriff's office spokesman Capt. Angelo Nieves said. "At this point, we do not have credible information that would lead is to bring law-enforcement divers to this location."

Padilla was asked to take a lie detector test and he agreed. The bounty hunter stepped into a deputy's cruiser at the park and has not left yet.

A press release from the sheriff's office states that investigators remain "focused on the primary mission at hand, which is to locate Caylee Anthony" and they will continue to "follow up on all viable leads and tips that are deemed to be creditable" in their ongoing investigation.

Caylee Marie's grandparents, Cindy and George Anthony, said they have no plans to go to the park.

"Until we hear from the authorities, it is what it is...just a bag of bones," Cindy Anthony said on a televised interview.

George Anthony said there is "no concrete evidence to say what is over there."

"We believe our granddaughter is still alive and we'll bring her home," George Anthony said. "Everything else is a distraction."

Cindy Anthony downplayed today's discovery, telling reporters that she had just received a tip that her granddaughter was spotted at a McDonald's in Coral Springs in South Florida.

Divers are continuing their search for more clues that could lead to finding Caylee Marie, who has been missing since June.

Rob Dick, who is coordinating the search along with bounty hunter Padilla, said it's unclear if the bones come from an animal or human. The bones were found in the same location where dozens gathered for a prayer vigil for Caylee Marie.

"It could just be garbage," Dick said.

The items appeared suspicious so divers alerted law enforcement to determine whether it should be taken into evidence.

"We just don't know at this point," Dick said.

Padilla notified FBI agents after the divers found the items.

The divers started searching the river on Monday.

Padilla said at the time that he was convinced Calyee's remains were in the river.

Tim Miller, founder of Texas EquuSearch, was aggravated with Padilla's efforts and called them a media stunt. Miller is in North Carolina and was unavailable for comment.

His team had scanned the river twice with a sonar and found nothing. Mandy Albritton of EquuSearch said that their searches often find bones during their searches.

But that didn't stop Padilla from returning today with divers.

[Gatordog]

Well everyone, I'm going home now to play with my dogs and get some relaxation. I will drive through the park though on my way home. I hope everyone has a good night.

Gator

[beachbum]

DNA--thats all they need to test the items for in the bag. Surely --they will not let something like this not be tested. What if it is related? Can Cindy or George recognize the toys(Lord knows they dont realize anything else for the truth) JMO

[applesandorange]

DNA--thats all they need to test the items for in the bag. Surely --they will not let something like this not be tested. What if it is related? Can Cindy or George recognize the toys(Lord knows they dont realize anything else for the truth) JMO


I seen Cindy on an interview say that Casey liked shamrocks but Caylee never had any toys like that.

ETA: Casey could have bought it AFTER Caylee died as something to put with her.

[One2Snoop]

DNA--thats all they need to test the items for in the bag. Surely --they will not let something like this not be tested. What if it is related? Can Cindy or George recognize the toys(Lord knows they dont realize anything else for the truth) JMO

I heard Cindy say on the live video that Caylee didn't have toys with a shamrock on them which I guess was one of the items found. :shrug:

This is so frustrating - gotta run - BBL. :seeya:

Thanks for the update A&O.

[deacon]

I seen Cindy on an interview say that Casey liked shamrocks but Caylee never had any toys like that.

ETA: Casey could have bought it AFTER Caylee died as something to put with her.

I wonder if LE took the bones with them or left them at the site. If they took them they could have been laying a "smoke screen" so they would not have to worry about the media camping outside of their office until testing is done.:shrug:

[applesandorange]

I wonder if LE took the bones with them or left them at the site. If they took them they could have been laying a "smoke screen" so they would not have to worry about the media camping outside of their office until testing is done.:shrug:


IIRC I think it was stated that they took the bag of toys but just let the bones where they were. That's if I heard correctly.

[beachbum]

I heard Cindy say on the live video that Caylee didn't have toys with a shamrock on them which I guess was one of the items found. :shrug:

This is so frustrating - gotta run - BBL. :seeya:

Thanks for the update A&O.

What was that item that Casey went out and bought --wasnt it a piece of jewelry or something. Maybe it was a shamrock charm or something. Cindy doesnt know what Casey did in those 30 days the baby was unaccounted for. Who knows what she gave that child. I say check it out. Maybe LP will be on NG but he may not be able to talk about it.

[applesandorange]

Also I heard that LE and the divers disagreed if they were "bones". I guess LE doesn't think they are bones. :shrug:

[applesandorange]

What was that item that Casey went out and bought --wasnt it a piece of jewelry or something. Maybe it was a shamrock charm or something. Cindy doesnt know what Casey did in those 30 days the baby was unaccounted for. Who knows what she gave that child. I say check it out. Maybe LP will be on NG but he may not be able to talk about it.


The jewelery that Casey bought was a cross necklace.

[applesandorange]

I heard Cindy say on the live video that Caylee didn't have toys with a shamrock on them which I guess was one of the items found. :shrug:

This is so frustrating - gotta run - BBL. :seeya:

Thanks for the update A&O.


No problem. Hurry back. I wonder if NG will have anything worth watching to on tonight.

[applesandorange]

Thats my thinking. Time will tell. Sorry i had not read thru all posts-no time last few days. Family member in ICU so only hear briefly and trying to distract myself. Lets hope this pans out.:rose:

I'm so sorry to hear that. I know how you feel. I was in that position 2 years ago at this time. I hope everything turns out well for your family member. (((HUGS))):rose:

[deacon]

Thats my thinking. Time will tell. Sorry i had not read thru all posts-no time last few days. Family member in ICU so only hear briefly and trying to distract myself. Lets hope this pans out.:rose:

I will remember your family member in my prayers tonight.

[deacon]

Yes that part came much later in the report of course. Why are they polygraphing Padilla?? What the hay is going on?

That is what made me think that they may be testing the "bones". Polygraph to make sure that is where the items were found. Know what I mean? Shoot, he is the only one yet ...... never mind.

[Gatordog]

Had to come back to tell you - I can't get through the park! For the first time it's barracaded. I tried to go in through the Rouse Road entrance which is where the YMCA is located. Just beyond the YMCA there are barracades and a golf cart blocking the entrance. There are police cars with flashing blue and red lights.

For nothing - this is something.

Gator

[applesandorange]

Yes that part came much later in the report of course. Why are they polygraphing Padilla?? What the hay is going on?


I am hearing from other places that perhaps they are polygraphing LP because of him and his people being the ones to find all this "evidence". LP stated he thought Caylee's body was in that water in a bag and now they find this, LP having the prayer vigil at that same spot and now they find these "bones" there, it was LP's worker who found the cross and said the beads were identical to what Casey used. Both LP and that lady were in the Anthony house etc.... In short they are accusing LP of planting fake eveidence as a media ploy. Just what I'm hearing and NOT my opinion.

[applesandorange]

Had to come back to tell you - I can't get through the park! For the first time it's barracaded. I tried to go in through the Rouse Road entrance which is where the YMCA is located. Just beyond the YMCA there are barracades and a golf cart blocking the entrance. There are police cars with flashing blue and red lights.

For nothing - this is something.

Gator


WoW!! Thanks Gator!! I am wondering if they found more in the water? Can't wait to watch NG tonight

[applesandorange]

Thanks so much apples-sorry to hear about your crisis. Tough ole bird tho-84 yrs. 2 heart attacks,bypass and stroke 15 years ago. Advanced Emphysema and pnuemonia now and 2 heart attacks in the last few days. Still here and talking about when he can come home. I quit counting his lifelines. I hope D.H. inherited his Dad's genes. I am just not absorbing right now so if i make a stupid post ya know why. Thanks again:rose:

What a tough guy! I'm sure he'll get through this set back as well. He seems like a real fighter. My prayers are with you and your family.

2 years ago my DH at age 31 had a heart attack that required an emergency double bypass. His cholesterol was 429. We never knew. It's an inherited condition. His grandmother had her first tripple bybass at age 34. CRAZY!! 3 months before that my dad was diagnosed with a pancreatic tumor. It turned out to not be cancer so he was blessed. He did have 2/3 of his pancreas removed and his entire spleen though. Now he's diabetic. So I understand what you are going through and you never sound stupid so no worries.

[TLC]

I'm watching Murt - if not a crime scene why the yellow police tape? They found something, they are keeping it quiet IMO

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murt-on-the-road

[applesandorange]

I'm watching Murt - if not a crime scene why the yellow police tape? They found something, they are keeping it quiet IMO

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murt-on-the-road


I'm watching too. Is that CA in the background with the Caylee shirt on? STRANGE

[applesandorange]

Murt is asking for the person who sent the picture of a shamrock to his phone to contact him immediately becausde he has someone he needs to forward it to.

[lorettalockhorn]

Leonard Padilla: Exposed…Again

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1905

[TLC]

Leonard Padilla: Exposed…Again

http://thedailybs.com/news/?p=1905

Rob Dick responded;
http://www.buildaforum.com/renegadeinvestigations/index.php?action=vthread&forum=15&topic=225

[lorettalockhorn]

Rob Dick responded;
http://www.buildaforum.com/renegadeinvestigations/index.php?action=vthread&forum=15&topic=225

So Rob has the money for TES, but didn't give it to them yet? (Not sure if I'm reading that right.) Oh, never mind, he later says that he won't be associated with handing Tim one cent that he helped raise.

This is all so sad. That Caylee's legacy would be this utter bull****.

[applesandorange]

So Rob has the money for TES, but didn't give it to them yet? (Not sure if I'm reading that right.) Oh, never mind, he later says that he won't be associated with handing Tim one cent that he helped raise.

This is all so sad. That Caylee's legacy would be this utter bull****.

I agree. What I took from the writing was that Rob didn't hand over the money because Tim had once again said he was going to search until Caylee was found and then left 3 days later. This was what I was taking to be his reason for not giving him the money. JMO

[applesandorange]

Here's the thing....Rob has the money to pay everyone back which means they didn't take the money and use it for their own personal agenda. LP has however used his own money for everything he has done in this search. Rob didn't give the money to Tim because he didn't find Tim worthy of it. Tim once again broke his word. IIRC it was AFTER LE had paid Tim the last time Tim up and left. NOW this being said I don't think it was right of Rob to not pay Tim simply because it wasn't his money. People donated that money wanting it to go to Tim. Rob shouldn't have made that call. I think that was wrong to do only because it wasn't his own money to give or not give. People thought it was going to Tim and it should have. Now that Rob is giving it back to the people who donated in the first place maybe they can make a better informed decision of where they want the money to go.

[One2Snoop]

Rob Dick responded;
http://www.buildaforum.com/renegadeinvestigations/index.php?action=vthread&forum=15&topic=225

What a mess! http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0085.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-rolleye-smileys.php)

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's the thing....Rob has the money to pay everyone back which means they didn't take the money and use it for their own personal agenda. LP has however used his own money for everything he has done in this search. Rob didn't give the money to Tim because he didn't find Tim worthy of it. Tim once again broke his word. IIRC it was AFTER LE had paid Tim the last time Tim up and left. NOW this being said I don't think it was right of Rob to not pay Tim simply because it wasn't his money. People donated that money wanting it to go to Tim. Rob shouldn't have made that call. I think that was wrong to do only because it wasn't his own money to give or not give. People thought it was going to Tim and it should have. Now that Rob is giving it back to the people who donated in the first place maybe they can make a better informed decision of where they want the money to go.

Question about that bolded statement. Has TES ever taken payment from LE? (Thought I read in one of TM's interviews that they don't.) For Rob to withhold the funds that were collected in TES' names because Tim didn't perform to his satisfaction (or however you want to phrase it) sounds like extortion to me.

[applesandorange]

Question about that bolded statement. Has TES ever taken payment from LE? (Thought I read in one of TM's interviews that they don't.) For Rob to withhold the funds that were collected in TES' names because Tim didn't perform to his satisfaction (or however you want to phrase it) sounds like extortion to me.

I will have to look to be sure of the amount but I thought LE gave them $5000.00 from confiscated drug money the last time Tim was in town. And like I said I don't agree with WHAT Rob did but I can understand his reason. It was completely wrong no matter what. I'm not saying his actions were right in any sense I'm just saying that on a personal level I do understand it. Understanding and agreeing are totally different IMO.

[applesandorange]

Sheriff Beary donates $5,000 in drug forfeiture money
to assist Texas EquuSearch team

Sheriff Beary will announce a $5,000 donation in forfeited drug money to assist the efforts of Texas EquuSearch, the non-profit search and recovery organization who came to Orange County to assist in the search for Caylee Anthony. The highly specialized, high-tech search and recovery team has been and continues to be an invaluable asset in the Sheriff’s Office’s ongoing effort to locate the missing three year old. Volunteers working under the direction of EquuSearch are searching locations considered to be areas of interest by Sheriff’s investigators. While their efforts have not led to the recovery of Caylee they are quickly and efficiently eliminating areas that investigators are interested in.

Employees and volunteer groups associated with the Sheriff’s Office may soon be joining EquuSearch’s search effort as early as tomorrow. Up to 80 alumni from the Sheriff’s Civilian Police Academy will be participating in the search as will a number of civilian agency employees. We have also received word that a number of Loyal Order of the Moose members from the Orlando, Azalea Park, County Line, Kissimmee, Pine Castle, and South Lake County Lodges will provide much needed manpower for the search.

Sheriff’s Investigators have filed additional check fraud and theft charges on Casey Anthony early this afternoon. Two counts of uttering a forged check, two counts of petit theft, and two counts of fraudulent use of personal identification. Those charging affidavits will be available on the Caylee Anthony section of our web site… http://www.ocso.com

Sheriff Beary will be at the Texas EquuSearch staging area at 5750 TG Lee Boulevard today at 3:00 PM to answer any questions you might have.


Captain Angelo L. Nieves
Orange County Sheriff's Office
Media Relations
Office 407-254-7346
http://www.ocso.com
Angelo.Nieves@ocfl.net

[applesandorange]

Beary promised Tim Miller, the president of Texas EquuSearch, some much-needed help in the form of airboats, patrols and money.

"Said, 'We're going to bring you a check for $5,000 just to help on this search, but do not leave this search.' Why do you think he (Beary) doesn't want us to leave this search? He wants Caylee found. I would do anything in the world for Cindy and that entire family and we're doing that and trying to find Caylee alive, but if something has happened to her out here, we need to find her. We need to bring this little baby home. She deserves that dignity of having the funeral so everybody can say goodbye and people can put their life back together. Caylee is not where she chose to be," Miller said.

The $5,000 was a donation from drug forfeiture money that was given to keep the search efforts going. Beary also appealed for more volunteers to join the search for Caylee.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17377729/detail.html

[applesandorange]

Eyewitness News also got a call Wednesday morning from a group of volunteers who said they are gathering a lot of people to help again on Saturday. They're hoping more people will join the effort. The EquuSearch director told Eyewitness News they'd keep searching now until they find Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17340180/detail.html

[applesandorange]

Has anyone heard any new news about today? I'm anxious to see what NG has to say about it. I wonder if they did find something and are just keeping it hush hush until LE is sure about it. Whether we like LP or not I think we will all be grateful if he found something today.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks a&o, I do remember that donation that was used for airboats, etc. And that Cindy had made the statement about Caylee having been given to a friend.

I don't understand Rob at all. You're either taking donations to turn over or you're not. Of course he may have had some sort of contract that put him in a position of authority to determine if TES performed satisfactorily. :confused:

[applesandorange]

Thanks a&o, I do remember that donation that was used for airboats, etc. And that Cindy had made the statement about Caylee having been given to a friend.

I don't understand Rob at all. You're either taking donations to turn over or you're not. Of course he may have had some sort of contract that put him in a position of authority to determine if TES performed satisfactorily. :confused:


No problem. I don't understand it either. I think emotions are getting to everyone involved. I just wish all this BS wasn't happening. It takes away from Caylee IMO.

[One2Snoop]

Ugggggh! Why? :no: Shut the hell up you stupid drunk! :rolleyes: This is sickening. :flamemad:

A protestor who said he's associated with EquuSearch confronts dive search teams. (11/13/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17974178/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Capt. Angelo Nieves of the Orange County Sheriff's Office comments on search developments. (11/13/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17974246/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Ugggggh! Why? :no: Shut the hell up you stupid drunk! :rolleyes: This is sickening. :flamemad:



AEffingMen

[One2Snoop]

FYI - Nancy Grace is on talking about todays events regarding the Caylee search.

[lorettalockhorn]

The shrink mentioned catathymic homicide in relation to Casey's non-reaction to the search going on today.

According to Dorland's Medical Dictionary: catathymic crisis an isolated, nonrepetitive act of violence that develops as a result of intolerable tension.

Also:

The concept of catathymic process—a change in thinking whereby the offender comes to believe that he can resolve his inner conflict by committing an act of extreme violence against someone to whom he feels emotionally bonded

http://ijo.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/46/1/64

From Katherine Ramsland:

"Catathymia" was first used by a German psychologist in 1912 in the context of paranoia. The term is derived from the Greek kata and thymos, which refers to emotions. Accordingly, an emotionally charged idea temporarily overwhelms a person and pushes him or her off balance. Emotion trumps logic.



Dr. Frederick WerthamDr. Frederick Wertham, who applied the term in criminal psychiatry, explained catathymic behavior as occurring when a person acquires an idea that he believes he must carry through to a violent act. The person develops a plan and feels a "tremendous urge" to put that plan into action, imbuing the violence with symbolic meaning. His thinking acquires a delusional quality, marked by rigidity and poor logical coherence.

The eight stages of catathymic crisis play out in the following way, although not everyone gets through to the last one:

1. Following a traumatic experience, an unsolvable internal state leads to emotional tension.
2. The person projects blame for this tension onto an external source.
3. His thinking becomes more egocentric and self-protective.
4. Violence is perceived as the only way out, so he crystallizes a plan.
5. To safeguard the personality, the extreme emotional tension culminates in the violent crisis—either acted out or attempted.
6. The tension is relieved.
7. Superficial normality occurs.
8. Inner equilibrium is recovered, with the development of insight......


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/marc_lepine/7.html

[wind149]

Guess what you all! I just saw Princess Di, Elvis, Pope John Paul III, Paul Newman, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and John F. Kennedy and little Caylee at the Tridge park here in Midland MI!! Now this sounds utterly ridiculous and pure nonsense and this is how this case is shaping up to be!!! Now we have LP and Tim Miller getting into it on NG, fighting over whether or not to send divers into the water, wouldn't get my fat ass in there, not with the gators and it is so silty you can't see your hand, never mind a body. Now it has been determined that the bones are not bones and the toys are insignificant to the case, but LP did screw up by calling the media first, so now the police are up in arms and this whole thing has been a 22 week fiasco!! The family is just a whining to the media and of course today a new "sighting" in Coral Springs FLA and of course it turned out not be C, and ya know, instead of blowing steam out of their ass berating the police, the media, LP, TM, the many volunteers, how come their asses are not looking for the child?

All they have done is hand out fliers and buy their loser daughter's crap stories, and whine whine and whine, you serve cheese with that whine? How come their sorry butts are not in that jail, telling loser that they are done with her, and as far as they are concerned, they don't give a flying fart whether she lives or dies, they hate her guts, something! instead of blaming everyone else for their granddaughter's murder!!! WTF! And then their "spokesman" Larry Garrison just threw in the towel and they claim they fired him, I buy his version, he probably said something they did not want to hear, like come on, this child is dead and I am afraid that your daughter killed her and boom, Cindy screams at him like a fish wife and George? Who knows? Anyone get the impression that he apparently has been left out of the loop a lot? In one conversation he had with LE, he did not even have a clue that she was not working where she claimed to, he had no clue about a lot of things and apparently does not wear the pants and I betcha anytime he wanted to punish C or L, for something they did wrong, Cindy would not let him, so the dysfunction in this moronic family did not start with Caylee coming up missing, it was heir apparent from the beginning. This whole mess is unbelievable and a crime writer that I like, Lisa Gardner could not even warp her mind around these yahoos!! And on NG it was revealed that C saw coverage on TV, about the bones being found, no reaction out of her at all and if anyone in there was hoping for one, she simply went back to her cell, probably ordering up some hair spray from the commissary, not a care in the world, I betcha she probably kicked back on her bunk, laughing at all the folks trying to find her daughter, secure in the knowledge that only she knows where the body is and I wish inmates had access to her, wanna bet some tough chickie would get it out of her fast???

[lorettalockhorn]

Jimi Hendrix! You lucky dog, you!

I didn't quite catch LP's answer after Tim commented about Leonard's exhortation about all the press and the money making opportunities. Nancy said she got it and cut him off. I sure as heck didn't "get it".

(BTW On the whole, Nancy seemed kinder and gentler tonight.)

Anyway re: those gators that were mentioned ad nauseum, ad infinitum. Seems to me that would be a pretty good reason that evidence of Caylee didn't show up when Tim scanned the river. But hey, obviously my logic doesn't work like Lenny's.

[mu8shark]

My mom just called me to say that on the news, they showed Padilla leaving the park in a police car to take a polygraph test. This is the last person they should polygraph. How about hooking up Grandma to one and seeing if what she says is true. :flamemad: I know I don't think he should be polygraphed either.He by the way has no problem taking one. What bothers me about Tim is in the Scott Peterson case they did sonar and did not find Laci, but she was in the Bay and they did all kinds of sonar in the bay to look for the anchors and did not find them. They never found them and you know those damned anchors are in there. My gripe with Tim is that he gave up so soon because Cindy was mad at him and I think he had to be convinced to resume. I also think and I am sure this may not be popular but I think part of Tim's problem I still say is ego. I am not saying Leonard does not have one but my opinion of Tim has changed a bit. What is really sad is that now no one will be looking. I think LE's refusal to get iinvolved in a search per se is this, they anticipate the defense asking them how much area they searched and if they searched. If they do an exhaustive search and find nothing,, the defense will use it against them, as in see she is not dead. So I think to LE it is better to claim there were not a lot of specific areas to look and leave it at that. All of this is just my opinion. I also do not believe that Leonard said they could be holding Caylees skull up in front of the camera for publicity. I just don't believe even if he was thinking something so outrageous he would say it.

[mu8shark]

I am so aggravated by this whole thing. It really irritates me the way they are treating LP. Instead of being grateful for his help both man power and financially they are treating him like a suspect now and giving him a polygraph. WTF is wrong in FL? Did everyone except you drink the kool aid? I agree at least Leonard has thick skin. I still can't get over Tim leaving the first time because Cindy was pissed. So what? She is pissed at everyone who does not buy into the Casey is the Mom of the year story and Caylee is alive in NC, Sc, NY, Puerto Rico, Texas and all the other areas the psychics gave tips on.

[mu8shark]

Sonar by the way is far from fool proof as I mentioned Laci Peterson case as a perfect example. , I am reading an interview online about the Peterson case, an old interview and if the bottom is murky and unclear, a sonar search might not necessarily find bones or remains, esp small bones. So I don't think it is quite fair of Tim to expect someone to give up because he did sonar and sonar is invincible. It is not. I would imagine this is what the diver meant on tv when he questioned how much Tim knew about sonar. I am sure he knows more than most people and could be quite expert, but to expect to say" I did the sonar she is definitely not there is not accurate." And he is giving this impression on tv. Laci was not in the Bay according to sonar done by a world renowed expert . But she still turned up there.

[mu8shark]

I just got in from hospital so i missed N.G. has there been any talk of the bones and what that was all about?? This is just turning into such a mess. There is a child obv. deceased and now it's $ issues and sightings of Caylee which remind me of those who saw Elvis in Burger King. Hello!!!! This is beyond the twilight zone.:rose: Well the sightings don't bother me as far as making it sound like she is alive. The sighting has been checked out and disproven according to the redheaded newswoman on Nancy. I think one thing most of us on this board realize is that in a big public case there are tons of sightings of these poor dead people because people genuinely try to be helpful, they want their fifteen minutes of fame or they want to get a neighbor or boyfriend they hate hassled. I hate to use Laci as my example all night long but remember there were sightings of Laci , one in Washington was revealed and if you read Sharon Rocha's book there were lots of them. So these sightings,pfffttt. .... here we go again. Whatever the hassle between Tim and Leonard , it will not make it into court, all of this will be irrelevant. The only way it would is if they indeed messed with evidence or planted it and I think neither has happened.

[mu8shark]

First, I want to say I'm sorry for being so adament yesterday, so defensive of Padilla. There have been many news reports which haven't made it to the websites of Cindy, Najame and Tim Miller blasting Padilla and it was unfair. Just yesterday, again, Tim Miller was with Najame in Najame's penthouse office overlooking the city, blasting Padilla and now the spokesman for making money. I thought Tim was going to North Carolina? As of yesterday, he was still here, but not searching.

Two months ago, Jose Baez told a reporter from WKMG that he could not speak to them because he had signed an exclusivity contract with another network - he made money. KidFinders' owners own print shops, do you think they went to Kinkos to produce their flyers, or paid themselves? Najame was paid by Kidfinders, through donations meant to find Caylee, to respresent G&C - he made money. G&C don't seem to be working but they are getting along fine. How?

Forgive me for being so negative. I have to pass that park everyday and now I believe little Caylee is probably in that river. Last night I was outside in my yard playing with the dogs, and what do I have to see, the park. It's right behind my house. I had nightmares last night and this stupid family is causing this to happen.

Leonard Padilla did something to try to help which isn't what Cindy wanted so now he gets defamed. I was reading the pages of evidence which were recently released and George tells the police it's very hard to control his wife because she want to run the investigation her way and have her information investigated not what the police think is important. By the way, I think Padilla did this not for money, because it cost him money, but out of a vendetta now towards Casey. He trused her and she made a mockery out of him. I don't think he lets anyone make a fool of him and get away with it.

An earlier post mentioned LP as being a bounty hunter and dealing with these liars all the time. He is also an attorney. He knows the law as well as any of these other people trying to make a buck off this case. I can't stand this hypocrisy. Cindy is so very good at making everyone else the scapegoat and talks of her daughter like she is Mother Teresa. Cindy is twisting everyone to her side, her attorney, Tim Miller, the media, it's disgusting.

I believe Cindy is not looking to bring home a live or dead Caylee. She is looking to bring home Casey because she knows Caylee is no longer with us. And if she is in the park, there is no place more beautiful or peaceful. Ducks and birds are always on the river and it's really a calming place. Even Padilla said he's at peace knowing she's there rather than in a garbage dump. :rose: Sorry so late commenting on this awesome post. I totally agree. These people are hypocrites and I think Cindy likes nothing more than downing anyone she has had a disagreement with. If she can take the focus off her b i t c h of a daughter, she is happy to do it. I think she went to the park to confront him, one to play the martyr and two to do anything negative she could that would make it worse for him. Think of how pissed she must be. First of all, he knows a lot about her phoney baloney family, second of all, he did not buy into the lies her daughter told and he went back on the bail. Sorry my post is so strong but I think she is ungrateful just like her daughter and I admit it, I can barely tolerate listening to her. Now tomorrow night we have to listen to her on NG tomorrow as I understand. I can place a bet, she will be all over what she says is no evidence, because forensics are not real and her daughter should be believed. Right? She has shown herself to be the model of veracity and she will spend the rest of the show reaming Leonard. I wish Nancy would have the guts to ask her, what about that smell Ms Anthony but she won't confront her with the evidence. It will be Cindy's chance to get back at the world and everyone in it, making a victim of her poor skank daughter. Whew I feel better!

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree at least Leonard has thick skin. I still can't get over Tim leaving the first time because Cindy was pissed. So what? She is pissed at everyone who does not buy into the Casey is the Mom of the year story and Caylee is alive in NC, Sc, NY, Puerto Rico, Texas and all the other areas the psychics gave tips on.

True dat about LP having thick skin. Sheesh Anyone who has anything to do with Cindy needs it. Did Tim really leave because she was pissed at him? Didn't know that.

Sonar by the way is far from fool proof as I mentioned Laci Peterson case as a perfect example. , I am reading an interview online about the Peterson case, an old interview and if the bottom is murky and unclear, a sonar search might not necessarily find bones or remains, esp small bones. So I don't think it is quite fair of Tim to expect someone to give up because he did sonar and sonar is invincible. It is not. I would imagine this is what the diver meant on tv when he questioned how much Tim knew about sonar. I am sure he knows more than most people and could be quite expert, but to expect to say" I did the sonar she is definitely not there is not accurate." And he is giving this impression on tv. Laci was not in the Bay according to sonar done by a world renowed expert . But she still turned up there.

It would be interesting if someday SP's anchors did show up to give us some idea of where Laci was before her body broke free and washed up on shore.

Mike Brooks seems satisfied that the sonar scanning was sufficient. I'd have a hard time second guessing his opinion.

[mu8shark]

True dat about LP having thick skin. Sheesh Anyone who has anything to do with Cindy needs it. Did Tim really leave because she was pissed at him? Didn't know that.



It would be interesting if someday SP's anchors did show up to give us some idea of where Laci was before her body broke free and washed up on shore.

Mike Brooks seems satisfied that the sonar scanning was sufficient. I'd have a hard time second guessing his opinion. Laci was in San Francisco Bay and they did pretty extensive sonar looking for her . From what I am reading it is not foolproof there are lots of variables as to if they can find everything. I am sure they did a good job.; On Tim leaving, I know that Nancy ask him a while back on her show if he left or was giving up the search because Cindy was angry at him and he hemmed and hawed and said things about the conditions , which no doubt was true and Nancy said, Did you not tell me off the air, you are leaving because of Cindy (not those exact words ) . The reason I remember this is on my site, I commented on it and I was surprised he did this. I can try to find it, it was way back before he left the first time. It does not pay to get involved with Cindy at all, I think Tim will learn that if he has not by now.

[mu8shark]

True dat about LP having thick skin. Sheesh Anyone who has anything to do with Cindy needs it. Did Tim really leave because she was pissed at him? Didn't know that.



It would be interesting if someday SP's anchors did show up to give us some idea of where Laci was before her body broke free and washed up on shore.

Mike Brooks seems satisfied that the sonar scanning was sufficient. I'd have a hard time second guessing his opinion. Here is the conversation on NG from early Sept I got my impression from. It is odd the stuff I remember, I do recall this conversation but I can't remember where I put my keys. LOL. To his credit he came back.But I was looking at some of the early stuff Cindy said about him and it is pretty shocking. The long and short of it, is whether you agree with Tim or Leonard or have no real feeling on that subject , I think anyone can agree getting involved with Cindy is dicey because she is ungrateful and controling. Does it show I don't like her?LOL It did not shock me in the LE interview with George so much time was spent on how much Cindy was harming the investigation which i think is what she wants
Right now, I want to go to special guest, the head of Texas Equusearch, searching for Caylee, out beating the bushes to find the 3- year-old little girl. Tim Miller, thank you for being with us. It`s great to see you. How did the search go today?

TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: You know what, Nancy? The search went well today, but -- and I don`t watch a lot of media stuff. But right now, you know, it appears as though I probably need to pull off of this search.

GRACE: Why do you say that?

MILLER: Well, the reason I say that -- I don`t watch a lot of media stuff. I just -- like, I come in open-minded. And if Casey, in fact, gave that child to somebody that she trusted, I am very upset that she did not at least get their name and phone number because we`re getting calls from people across America that really want us to look for their child that`s really missing.

GRACE: OK, wait! Wa-wa-wa-wa-wait~! Wait! Why are you considering pulling off the search?

MILLER: Well, I am saying, if Casey got us out here and she gave that child to somebody she trusted and will not give up the name and phone number, and wasting our resources for somebody that really needs us...

GRACE: Do you believe that, Tim? Do you believe that?

MILLER: You know what? I will do anything for this family.

GRACE: Tim? Tim?

MILLER: I`ll do anything for any family. But I`m upset.

GRACE: Tim? Tim, do you believe Caylee is still alive?

MILLER: I am very open-minded. I met with Cindy today. And you know what? We have got people in...

GRACE: I understand she was very angry at you today.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not blindsided. They`ve been doing this from day one, guys. You guys have fed right into their hands. Let`s just find Caylee.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: There was no odor in the car when it was towed down to the towing company. No odor. I smelled rotten whatever it was, something decomposing in there. Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard.

I know what I know. Caylee is not dead. Air samples don`t mean anything.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight back out to Tim Miller, the head of Texas Equusearch. Tim, is it true that you are not getting cooperation and are therefore considering pulling out of the search?

MILLER: Well, you know what? If this is true, what is being said right now, that she gave that child to somebody she trusts -- I can`t imagine anybody giving their child to somebody they trust without getting at least a name and phone number.

GRACE: Oh, OK. Hold on.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: If you could just address -- are you getting cooperation?

MILLER: You know what? I`m not asking for cooperation from that family.

GRACE: Are you getting cooperation?

MILLER: They`re going through a very tough -- I do not ask them for anything. I understand -- remember, Nancy, I lost my own child. And you know what? I did not know...

GRACE: Tim...

MILLER: ... what to do at that time, so...

GRACE: Is it true that you told me point blank you are not getting cooperation from the Anthony family or their lawyers?

MILLER: Well, you know what? But I`m not asking for that. I mean, if they had any information to give, I would hope they`d come forward. And I`d believe them.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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[One2Snoop]

Just a quick note about the sonar scanning and Laci Peterson - IIRC they did spot something but the water was rough and they had to suspend searching and when they returned at a later date it wasn't there. I'm not 100% on that but its what I remember being discussed/reported.

[mu8shark]

I was there in person - it was not a circus atmosphere at all. In fact, it was reserved and quiet. Funny - those comments regarding a three ring circus were the exact comments made by Tim Miller and Mark Nejame refered to LP as P.T. Barnum. I was there, I saw it, a lot of thought went into where to search. LP was there for hours and hours on Sunday and Monday. I don't want to defend LP but I think that Tim Miller is painting the wrong picture. His organization is the one that didn't live up to it's promise. I saw the command post and I heard Tim's requirements in order to be part of the search. Sorry that I am so late in reading those posts, worked a long day, I am curious as to what his requirements were and am interested in the opinion of someone who was there. In your opinion what promises do you feel he did not live up to? Do not read this as a challenge just curious as from the outside I have similiar ideas.

[mu8shark]

Just a quick note about the sonar scanning and Laci Peterson - IIRC they did spot something but the water was rough and they had to suspend searching and when they returned at a later date it wasn't there. I'm not 100% on that but its what I remember being discussed/reported. No Snoop you are correct on that. I just read that and they were never sure it was her or another item. I guess that is my point. Sonar is not infallible.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks mu8shark, that interview must have been right around the time that Beary donated the money for the airboats to TES. I see that Cindy isn't cooperative, but he doesn't seem to expect it or be too worried or surprised about it. The difficult thing for most rational people to understand would probably be the assertion that Caylee had been given to a friend, yet no one had a name or number to reach the person. He mentions that. I do also remember how unsuitable the conditions were for the searchers, and there was a lot of talk about that.

I don't interpret this convo as proof that TM left town because Cindy was being uncooperative.

(If that was the case, you have to wonder why he came back. :punch: )

[lorettalockhorn]

Just a quick note about the sonar scanning and Laci Peterson - IIRC they did spot something but the water was rough and they had to suspend searching and when they returned at a later date it wasn't there. I'm not 100% on that but its what I remember being discussed/reported.

I've always wondered what with waves and currents and weather conditions, just how far SP left Lacy and Connor from where she washed ashore. You have to wonder too if Casey put Caylee into the Econ, if she wouldn't have been washed downstream with all the flooding that was going on. The diver on NG said there wasn't much of a current today, but I wonder about during and after the storms.

[One2Snoop]

No Snoop you are correct on that. I just read that and they were never sure it was her or another item. I guess that is my point. Sonar is not infallible.

Correct me here please - doesn't infallible mean without fail - incapable of error?
I'm thinking we mean the sonar is fallible - liable to be erroneous/capable of making a mistake.

:shrug:

[mu8shark]

I like what Tim Miller stands for. I think he does great things. I would not take away from the good that he does HOWEVER I think he has not handled the Caylee search very well at all. Putting LP down IMO is tasteless. LP has done just as much in his own way as Tim. I strongly feel that Tim has befriended NeJame and the Anthony's. By doing this he has compromised the search. Once he started letting Cindy have control of him which BTW I think she has had some form of control over him since the begining and I still do believe she was the reason he abandoned search the first time. Since Cindy in some form controls the search, the search was compromised. I can see how Tim feels pitty on her since he lost his daughter but at the same time he should want justice for Caylee. He should want to bring her body home as bad as LP. I just don't see that in the way this search was handled. Also Tim made the statement "if anyone can do this job better than me let them take over" I think that was an arrogant statement. I totally agree she has control over him to some degree and I think he is very intimidated and does not want to anger her. Why I am not sure. Maybe she threatened to make him her second husband! That would do it. I also think it is beneath Tim Miller to get in such a pissing contest. On tv Leonard has not said nasty things about him. The idea that he told Tim Miller to search the river so he could be there with the media and hold up Caylee's skull seems absurd to me. I don't want to call him a liar but I think his emotions and his ego are getting the best of him. I just do not believe Leonard made that statement. And while I do respect what he does, I don't have the same opinion I did of him. I just went back and read some of the posts of those who were there and it was not organized very well.I absolutely do not mean this in a mean and sarcastic manner. I think Tim needs a break particulary from this case.