Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[lorettalockhorn]

Oh, I think PPD will be used as one of a miriad of defenses. They will be so many and so ridiculous you won't believe it. It has been use so many times. In my opinion, in some of those cases as in this one it does a disservice to the women who truely suffer from it. My wife suffered through a few weeks of PPD after my son was born. She got help. Why? Because it broke my heart to see her suffer and I put my foot down. She hated me at the time later she understood.

Amen and good for you, deacon. Bless you and thank goodness.

The defense is throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. It makes them look like they don't know their arses from a hole in the ground.

[One2Snoop]

I hear ya. My neighbors probably think we've got a hyena over here! :hat:

So why can't I just post the pic? Maybe that only works in certain forums?

ROFL....

http://i34.tinypic.com/15hllyu.jpg

[One2Snoop]

lol, thats correct. I had to tone down my responses,tho, cause even tho I was "just responding" to what Id read, it came off rude and uncivil.




One2, I thought that was a post by David Lorh,you'd posted. Are YOU going too?

You're correct - that was posted by David Lohr and no I'm not going to Florida. Wish I could go and help out but it's to far away.

[Gatordog]

George told police that Casey lies to everyone. She even told Jose Baez that she had $5,000 to pay his fee. :biggrin: If this woman told me that the sky was blue, I'd have to go check for myself to make sure. If her lips are moving...she's lying. I hope Jose doesn't have to wait too long for his money. Maybe she intends to give him that sports bra and panties in lieu of cash. Son of a gun, maybe they intend to sell them on ebay!:eek:

http://www.wftv.com/video_legacy/17921799/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Gee, I wish I could remember how to post a pic! http://www.henrybickel.com/images/1992/Bonehead%20Front.jpg


You need to use the x x x tags instead of [url ] xxxxx [/url ].

I had to resize it though and its posted above. :seeya:

[Justice Denied?]

Obviously, Cindy and George and not privy to or included in their daughter's case. Then George is seen by the area they will be searching gazing into the wooded area....how sad is that. Has anyone heard anything from Lee since his tirade against EquiSearch?

Old_Soul,

When I read this I had to wonder if George knows where the body is. Maybe he was checking to see if it is still well-hidden or maybe he was going to move it but was unable because he was observed.:shrug:

[One2Snoop]

"I dont know about anyone else but my PC is really slow on this board. Every other site quick as lightening. Maybe my pc is telling me something"

Nope-you're not the only one with this experience.

And my computer is 2 months old!!!

EVERYTHING DRAGS AND LAGS ON THIS SITE!!!

I believe it's the server...so many people reading so much info, and it takes more time to load the info when there's TONS of it.

Look at the shear amount of stories listed on the various threads.

:mad: It's those damn Nissan Ads that are slowing the sight down - I've already pm'd Deepwater about it and she's passing the info on to Tech.

[Gatordog]

When the social worker met with Casey in September, Casey referred to Caylee as "that child".

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-110608,0,5488005.story?page=1

[lorettalockhorn]

You need to use the x x x tags instead of [url ] xxxxx [/url ].

I had to resize it though and its posted above. :seeya:

Well, yes I was using the IMG tags; guess it was the size. Huh. Who'd a thunk it? I'm one of those people who gets frustrated when something that has always worked doesn't work anymore. :punch:

And I misinterpreted that you were going to Orlando too. (But you know that, now don't you!) :punch:

[One2Snoop]

I was just reading on the other thread-yes i did proof read this time;) That George stated that the stain in the trunk was the size of a basketball. Now i am thinking from my recall those results have not been publicly released by LE. I cant see it being a chloraform stain that large within an enclosed area. IMO anyone could be overpowered quite quickly with an amt. of chloraform that size so contained especially in the heat. So can we surmise that stains test results are one of the few pieces LE is keeping to the vest???? MOO

:seeya: I have a question? If he smelled the stain I wonder why he wasn't overcome by the chloraform? :shrug:

[joekuhl79]

Prosecutors: No Death Penalty For Casey Anthony

http://www.wesh.com/news/17923372/detail.html

[joekuhl79]

George Anthony Told Investigators He Had "Bad Vibes"

Thursday, November 6, 2008 – updated: 3:49 pm EST November 6, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- New documents were released Thursday in the case against Casey Anthony that reveal what George and Cindy Anthony told investigators in the hours and days after Caylee Anthony was reported missing.

The State Attorney's Office released 500 pages of new documents in the case Thursday and they show that George Anthony told investigators he felt something was wrong from the very beginning. The documents focus a lot on interviews George and Cindy Anthony did with sheriff's deputies.

When sheriff's investigators questioned Casey's father George nine days after Caylee was reported missing, George told them he had "bad vibes" the very first day he got his car back and smelled the smell in the trunk, a smell, he said as a former law enforcement officer, he knows and would never forget.

Casey's father George told investigators, "I don't want to believe that I have, have raised someone and brought someone in this world that could do something to another person. I don't want to believe that."

I figured this is why they are in such deep denial...


http://www.wftv.com/news/17919607/detail.html#-

[lorettalockhorn]

Prosecutors: No Death Penalty For Casey Anthony

http://www.wesh.com/news/17923372/detail.html

Hadn't see that yet, thanks. At the risk of sounding uber shadenfreude, I'm disappointed.

[One2Snoop]

Obviously, Cindy and George and not privy to or included in their daughter's case. Then George is seen by the area they will be searching gazing into the wooded area....how sad is that. Has anyone heard anything from Lee since his tirade against EquiSearch?

Old_Soul,

When I read this I had to wonder if George knows where the body is. Maybe he was checking to see if it is still well-hidden or maybe he was going to move it but was unable because he was observed. :shrug:

I wondered that as well. Welcome to CL Justice. :seeya:

[deacon]

George told police that Casey lies to everyone. She even told Jose Baez that she had $5,000 to pay his fee. :biggrin: If this woman told me that the sky was blue, I'd have to go check for myself to make sure. If her lips are moving...she's lying. I hope Jose doesn't have to wait too long for his money. Maybe she intends to give him that sports bra and panties in lieu of cash. Son of a gun, maybe they intend to sell them on ebay!:eek:

http://www.wftv.com/video_legacy/17921799/index.html

6 hours a day for how long?........... :eek:

[deacon]

Exactly why i am thinking the stain may be something else we are not privy to yet. I remember all the reports from FBI and Body Farm but did they address this stain??? I dont recall and since this is new info released it got me thinking. There was talk of a stain from the get go but not much more than that at least from my recollection :confused:

One explanation would be body fluids that a dead person's body disposes of at death. Not going any further into it than that, and yes, they may be holding on to that because it would give a DNA strain. The body that was there could be identified.

[deacon]

Hadn't see that yet, thanks. At the risk of sounding uber shadenfreude, I'm disappointed.

I was expecting that. It may be hard to get a guilty verdict if the DP were on the table. Some would not want to find her guilty if the possibility of the DP were there. I know, I know the jury decides that too, but it could be that one jury member would not give a guilty verdict if that were the case.

With her, LWOP will be worse than the DP, in a number of ways. One is she can not party till she drops there and she will not be a popular person when she gets to prison. In fact, she could die. It took years before susan smith could be anywhere near another female inmate. She still is in danger.

[lorettalockhorn]

I was expecting that. It may be hard to get a guilty verdict if the DP were on the table. Some would not want to find her guilty if the possibility of the DP were there. I know, I know the jury decides that too, but it could be that one jury member would not give a guilty verdict if that were the case.

With her, LWOP will be worse than the DP, in a number of ways. One is she can not party till she drops there and she will not be a popular person when she gets to prison. In fact, she could die. It took years before susan smith could be anywhere near another female inmate. She still is in danger.

deacon, thanks for that perspective.

[wind149]

Now the latest spin is Caylee died from "sedatives" The "nanny" spin apparently was not working, so now we are back to this being an accident. Well if that was the case, like she drowned in the pool, would you not call the police and rescue to try to revive her?? A little girl drowned here not to long ago in a pond, by the time they found her it was too late but the paramedics gave it their best shot. Leonard Padilla and the bounty hunters he has rounded up will join Tim Miller Saturday and he said that if they have to "gut every gator" or dig up all the earth, they are determined to find Caylee's body. Also it was reported that George was seen near the woods in question, makes me wonder if he finally is starting to accept the fact that she is dead. They will have to concede at some point and now would be a good time as it has been 24 weeks, no sign of the girl anywhere, because she is dead and that ***** killed her with the chloroform because she got in her way of partying down, grabbing some woman's crotch, all the while her daughter is laying somewhere dead and then Baez dropped another bull**** bomb! Now Casey is suffering from depression, well DUH, I think it has hit her pea brain she ain't never leaving prison unless it is in a pine box ,and he also claims that at the time she came up missing, she was suffering then, is there no end to the bull**** that comes out of these people's mouths?? She is not mentally ill , she is self-serving scumbag, all about her and when they put the needle in her arm it truly will be all about her!!:cuss::cuss:

[deputydi]

I was expecting that. It may be hard to get a guilty verdict if the DP were on the table. Some would not want to find her guilty if the possibility of the DP were there. I know, I know the jury decides that too, but it could be that one jury member would not give a guilty verdict if that were the case.

With her, LWOP will be worse than the DP, in a number of ways. One is she can not party till she drops there and she will not be a popular person when she gets to prison. In fact, she could die. It took years before susan smith could be anywhere near another female inmate. She still is in danger.
Doesn't the State of FL have a two part trial? In PA, at least, the guilt phase and the penalty phase are separate. She could be found guilty of first degree murder but not sentenced to death. She would get LWOP which would be an ok punishment, but I'd like to see them at least try for the ultimate penalty.

These jurors would be death qualified so the likelihood of getting one who would hold out just because it was on the table isn't real likely.

[Amy]

Now I'm mad at George again. Did he need an anvil to fall on his head :punch: like Wylie Coyote for him to realize that Casey needed major psychological help? This was also on the WKMG website. The more I read, the more amazed I get. :mad:

Also, in an interview with an Orange County sheriff's detective, George Anthony said his daughter had once told him that she was robbed at gunpoint while she was working at Sports Authority. George Anthony said he confronted the manager of the store about the incident only to be told that Casey Anthony never worked there.

As ex-LE, surely George should have known that Casey should have gone to the LOCAL LE (as opposed to daddy, ex-LE) and lodged a complaint. Maybe, if she had, they would have gotten her for a false report back then, and maybe she would have tho't twice about lying.

Surely George is aware of the lying (as evidenced that he went to the manager rather than the police) and her stealing. I suppose Cindy could have kept him in the dark about that, but I'm betting he could have known what was going on in his house (oh, I guess it's CINDY's house) if he had wanted to. It just seems most unlikely that someone could live in the same house for 22 years, and not have a clue that she has major personality disorders going on with her. (NOT insanity, NOT "I didn't know it was wrong.")

[lorettalockhorn]

In AR, The State can (but aren't required to) ask the jury to consider a lessor charge at the same time that they consider the capital charge. Not sure about FL, but maybe that's not the case and that's why the death penalty has been taken off the table here. And if that is so, I can see that the prosecution would prefer that she be convicted rather than losing the case.

It makes no sense to me that The State claims that they don't have the aggravating circumstances necessary to ask for the death penalty. We already know that the murder of a child under the age of twelve makes it suitable.

[Amy]

I have to agree with that. These lawyers don't seem so smart to me. I heard last night that the DP guy would just be worried with stopping her from getting the DP. Say what?, what happened to having her found not guilty. Not that he can do it, but give me a break. I don't think I would want that guy if I were not proven to be guilty.:eek:

The thing of it is, most of the clients these fellows (and gals) have ARE guilty, the lawyers can see that from the evidence they get in discovery. NOT getting the DP IS their "victory."

[Amy]

Oh, I think PPD will be used as one of a miriad of defenses. They will be so many and so ridiculous you won't believe it. It has been use so many times. In my opinion, in some of those cases as in this one it does a disservice to the women who truely suffer from it. My wife suffered through a few weeks of PPD after my son was born. She got help. Why? Because it broke my heart to see her suffer and I put my foot down. She hated me at the time later she understood.

They'd better decide what their defense is before the trial starts. Won't they look the fools if, one minute they are trying to say she has MI, another minute--Wait!!! It was the kidnappers!!! Oh, the MEDIA and LE are the ones who should be on trial--and stick TES in there, and the protesters. Because of THEM, the kidnappers killed Caylee.

[deputydi]

In AR, The State can (but aren't required to) ask the jury to consider a lessor charge at the same time that they consider the capital charge. Not sure about FL, but maybe that's not the case and that's why the death penalty has been taken off the table here. And if that is so, I can see that the prosecution would prefer that she be convicted rather than losing the case.

It makes no sense to me that The State claims that they don't have the aggravating circumstances necessary to ask for the death penalty. We already know that the murder of a child under the age of twelve makes it suitable.
You may be right -- I don't know how FL does it.

I didn't see "murder of a child under the age of twelve" in the list of aggravating circumstances in the article. I do agree that it's better to go for the sure conviction rather than take the chance at acquittal but I truly don't see that happening. The only question in my mind is the degree of the crime she will be tried on.

Do we have anyone here who is familiar with FL law?

[deputydi]

They'd better decide what their defense is before the trial starts. Won't they look the fools if, one minute they are trying to say she has MI, another minute--Wait!!! It was the kidnappers!!! Oh, the MEDIA and LE are the ones who should be on trial--and stick TES in there, and the protesters. Because of THEM, the kidnappers killed Caylee.
I don't think they will mount much of a defense. They will probably stick with reasonable doubt and hope the jury understands what it is.

[Amy]

When the social worker met with Casey in September, Casey referred to Caylee as "that child".

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-110608,0,5488005.story?page=1

Cindy, too. In @ least one of the police interviews, she says, "Casey loves THAT CHILD." I did notice she used the present tense, too.

[Amy]

I was just reading on the other thread-yes i did proof read this time;) That George stated that the stain in the trunk was the size of a basketball. Now i am thinking from my recall those results have not been publicly released by LE. I cant see it being a chloraform stain that large within an enclosed area. IMO anyone could be overpowered quite quickly with an amt. of chloraform that size so contained especially in the heat. So can we surmise that stains test results are one of the few pieces LE is keeping to the vest???? MOO

I took it that the stains that were being discussed were those which would have been left by decompostion. As it got hotter and the body was decomposing, there were be body fluids, even fluids from the tissues leaking.

[Amy]

Prosecutors: No Death Penalty For Casey Anthony

http://www.wesh.com/news/17923372/detail.html


Yet. They haven't made the final decision.

[lorettalockhorn]

You may be right -- I don't know how FL does it.

I didn't see "murder of a child under the age of twelve" in the list of aggravating circumstances in the article. I do agree that it's better to go for the sure conviction rather than take the chance at acquittal but I truly don't see that happening. The only question in my mind is the degree of the crime she will be tried on.

Do we have anyone here who is familiar with FL law?

Should have mentioned in the post that I'm going by what the unleashed lawyers have stated several times on Nancy Grace.

[applesandorange]

Well at least they are being supportive of TES. Better than they were anyway.


This is from their myspace page


Texas Equusearch's Search this Weekend
Our family and search team believe Caylee is still alive and we continue to follow up on thousands of leads and tips. Kid Finders Network has been a wonderful resource for getting Caylee's photo and other vital search items out to the public since the day we learned of her disappearance. We will continue keeping hope alive and have never stopped looking for Caylee despite what the public perception has been, but we support however the public can turn negative energy into a positive effort; whether supporting our search efforts or that of the efforts being made this weekend. If you wish to lend a helping hand please contact Tim Miller's group listed below and see how you can be a part of the solution and not the problem. Together with Kid Finders Network, Tim Miller, and all of the volunteers working together to help bring home Caylee Marie we thank everyone!


Weekend Ground Search call:
Call James Copenhaver
(407) 897-1184 or searchorlando@aol.com
www.pleasefindcaylee.com

[lorettalockhorn]

a&o, Nejame was on NG tonight and said that whatever had happened in the past between Cindy and TES was a misunderstanding. And that Cindy and Tim met at his office and everything is now hunky dory.

(To be honest, I'm now more confused about the Anthonys than ever before.)

[applesandorange]

a&o, Nejame was on NG tonight and said that whatever had happened in the past between Cindy and TES was a misunderstanding. And that Cindy and Tim met at his office and everything is now hunky dory.

(To be honest, I'm now more confused about the Anthonys than ever before.)


Yeah I heard that too. I am confused also. It seems like George knows Caylee is dead but won't admit it. Is Cindy just off her rocker or what?

[lorettalockhorn]

How does George go from telling investigators that his gut/cop/father/grandfather fear and feeling is that Caylee is dead to searching for live Caylee? Especially after the forensic evidence confirms those feelings? And am I the only one who finds Nejame's euphemisms "with us" and "not with us" just ooky?

[lorettalockhorn]

I was watching NG , but I have to say, I'm sick of hearing her berate, browbeat, put down, make fun and be an all around nasty b*t*h to others who are on her show to discuss cases. Hey we all understand what it's like to be up at 1:00 am with a 1 year old, but ...it's no fun to watch her being so rude ! :no: That being said I love her passion for the victims, but how about a little respect..after all she's not in a damn courtroom.

Even though there are aggravating circumstances that could back up the DP, it's apparently better to play the game the way the State is, and When Caylee is found, we know the DP will then be UP FRONT AND CENTER.

It's coming folks ~ only 2 days to TES and finding her.

Nancy's behavior and attitude worsens almost daily. She yoyos between being syrupy sweet with her callers to being snippy or terse or rude or worse to some of her guests. Maybe she needs a vacation. Don't have a problem with most of what she says, it's how she says it, and how mercurial she is.

Godspeed to the searchers.

[Grave Chaser]

Too many funny/interesting things to quote all the posts, but what I can say is.... you think there's a little 'footisie' going on under that table with Casey and Baez since she couldn't pay his retainer? No wonder he can't keep his hands off of her!
And what I'm understanding is, in FL, she can't get the DP since she hasn't been convicted of a crime before? Now isn't THAT just stupid! Murder is murder and just because she hasn't been CAUGHT/CONVICTED of a lesser crime doesn't mean she should get LWOP.

[browneyes106]

I agree with a few of you. I too get annoyed by Nancy Grace's attitude. She interrupts people and makes weird faces. I think it's weird that at the end of the show she says good night in a depressed voice. I hope tommorow nigth's show focuses on what will happen with TES search this weekend. Maybe Tim and Leonard can talk more depth about how the search will be carried out. Today I also read this article about crime scene tech students who will be helping out in the search.
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710578___article.html/assist_caylee.html

[One2Snoop]

Hey all! :seeya: Just a shout out to say thanks for posting updates on this case. I'd also like to ask if you'd be so kind as to post the article in the updates thread too? I know, double the work but its helpful for newcomers and oldtimers alike to be able to go look up an article within a certain time frame in a "no discussion thread". Think of it as our library of articles.
Here's the link to the updates thread...

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291264&page=23

Wish I could be here 24/7 to keep this case updated but thats impossible. Everyones input/help is appreciated.

I also wanted to give a big thank you to Loretta, you were awesome in keeping the updates thread updated while I was away. :beer:

[One2Snoop]

Padilla arrives to assist in search for Caylee

Last Edited: Thursday, 06 Nov 2008, 7:35 PM EST
Created: Thursday, 06 Nov 2008, 7:35 PM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Leonard Padilla, the California Bounty hunter who has been in and out of the case surrounding missing toddler Caylee Anthony arrived back in Orlando Thursday night.

Padilla said he will be part of the search teams that will comb areas across Central Florida looking for any trace of the toddler that has been missing since June. At one time Padilla felt the toddler was alive, but when he arrived in Orlando Thursday he said that he now feels that Caylee is dead.

Padilla also said that he would find Caylee by Monday.

“I told Casey Anthony before she threw me out of her house that I would find Caylee with or without her help,” Padilla said, “And I am going to do that.”

snip
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7809413&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

STATE WANTS GAG ORDER, ATTORNEY WANTS TIPS

Prosecutors in the case against Casey filed a motion to "shut up" Jose Baez and the Anthony family (read motion).

The state attorney is asking for a gag order on several key players in the case, saying that attorney Jose Baez has "succumbed to the lure of the national spotlight" and frequently expresses his opinion about the case.

They also accuse the Anthony family of turning every opportunity to talk about Caylee into an attack on the prosecution.

Meanwhile, Baez has filed his own motion, demanding more of the 5,000 tips the sheriff's office collected (read motion). The 450 they've already released were mostly from psychics.

A judge will consider the requests on Monday.


CINDY ANTHONY RELEASES STATEMENT

Cindy Anthony is reacting to defense attorneys' claims that her granddaughter may have died from an accidental overdose.

In a statement released Thursday, she wrote:

"I feel that a good attorney will plan for the worse case scenario and hope for the best. I know that Casey's attorneys know that she is innocent, but they cannot ignore how the media has already spun the facts and convicted her.

"Casey has been severely attacked by the media since she was first arrested, and anyone would be a fool to ignore that. All of the negative spin has done her an injustice. Just look at what it has done for poor Caylee. The media already has given up on looking for this child, when there is simply no credible or concrete evidence to prove that she is dead.

"The defense and the family will never give up on looking for Caylee. We continue to believe she is alive, and so should everyone else who has a conscience. I would ask anyone to ask themselves just how quick would they stop looking for someone that they loved?"

Casey Anthony's attorneys have claimed little Caylee was simply missing. But in a 30-page document to prosecutors, the defense argued if Caylee is dead then it was almost certainly an accident. The change may be a possible attempt to spare their client from the death penalty.


DEFENSE: IF CAYLEE'S DEAD IT WAS ACCIDENT

Publicly, Casey Anthony's defense team has always insisted that Caylee Anthony is alive, even after Casey was arrested and charged with her daughter Caylee's murder.

"We all believe she's alive," attorney Jose Baez said during a hearing at the Orange County Courthouse on Wednesday.

However, Eyewitness News has learned that, behind the scenes, the defense team sent 30 pages of documents to prosecutors. In those documents, Casey's lawyers argued that if Caylee is dead that it was "almost certainly a tragic accident."

The documents also said Caylee could've been poisoned by chloroform or she could have died while she was sedated. They said the cause of death could have been an unwitting overdose of a sedative.

The defense documents went on to describe Casey as troubled and possibly depressed. They said her behavior had been erratic ever since Caylee's birth and particularly in the months before the little girl's disappearance.

Also, the documents state that Casey's lack of emotion after Caylee's disappearance is proof that she is not normal and could possibly be suffering from mental or emotional stress.

The defense used those documents to argue that the death penalty is not an appropriate sentence in Casey's case, because she is young and she's never had a criminal record. However, the documents never mention Casey's story that a babysitter took Caylee and disappeared with her.

Eyewitness News also learned that dissention among the defense team may be behind the release of those documents. The death penalty-qualified attorney, who is helping Jose Baez, said he wanted Casey to be evaluated by a nationally-known psychologist who was involved in the Unabomber and the Elizabeth Smart cases. The attorney thinks Casey is mentally ill, but Eyewitness News learned Baez rejected his suggestion.

The latest development comes after Eyewitness News caught a major slip-up by Casey's defense team on national TV last month, when a spokesperson for her attorney admitted Caylee Anthony was dead.

"This is a very serious case involving not just the life of a little girl, but the loss of whatever is going to happen with Casey Anthony," said Black.

Jose Baez's spokesperson Todd Black made that statement during a phone interview with CNN.

Last week, Baez replaced Black on his defense team with another spokesperson.


EQUUSEARCH BACK IN ORLANDO

Organizers for the Texas based group EquuSearch were back in Central Florida Thursday preparing for the latest search for Caylee Anthony's remains. EquuSearch expects nearly 5,000 people to show up for Saturday's search effort. A former medical examiner, divers, marines, and pilots, everyone they need for any type of search, will be on hand.

It's expected to be the largest search in national history for a single person. An all out effort to find Caylee's body is set to begin this weekend. The search team tried in October to search for the little girl's remains, but Tropical Storm Fay brought too much water and hindered the search efforts.

"Water has receded and vegetation has died off and we think that's going to greatly improve our ability to search the area," said Texas EquuSearch worker Mandy Albritton.

Albritton told Eyewitness News the search team plans on covering 25-square miles of land around the airport. Records show Casey Anthony used her cell phone in that area when her daughter disappeared.

EquuSearch will use horses, ATVs and 3,000 to 4,000 volunteers. The team will build a command center with toilets, sinks and generators at the intersection of Lee Vista Boulevard and Shadowridge Drive.

Eyewitness News reporter Mark Boyle asked if George and Cindy would be participating in the search and the family released the following statement Thursday afternoon in response: "We will not take part in any search for a dead Caylee. We do searches EVERYDAY for a live Caylee."


BOUNTY HUNTER APPEARS ON NANCY GRACE SHOW

California bounty hunter Leonard Padilla told CNN's Nancy Grace that he thinks Anthony's lawyers are creating a defense before EquuSearch resumes their search for Caylee's body on Saturday.

"The notation about if there was a death or if it was accidental doesn't surprise me at all. They know we are going to find the body by Monday and at that time all bets are off. The state prosecutor doesn't have to make a deal," Padilla said.

Padilla plans to be a part of the search team on Saturday.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17919607/detail.html#-

[One2Snoop]

I agree with a few of you. I too get annoyed by Nancy Grace's attitude. She interrupts people and makes weird faces. I think it's weird that at the end of the show she says good night in a depressed voice. I hope tommorow nigth's show focuses on what will happen with TES search this weekend. Maybe Tim and Leonard can talk more depth about how the search will be carried out. Today I also read this article about crime scene tech students who will be helping out in the search.
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710578___article.html/assist_caylee.html

Awesome - fresh eyes are always a plus.

RE: NG - she annoys the hell out of me. I used to like watching her show during the Laci Peterson Missing Case/Scott Peterson Trial. I don't know if its a hormonal change or what but good gawd she's extremely nasty to people and I'm surprised anyone will even agree to be on her show.

Show some tact Nancy ~ please and thank you. JMO.

[Amy]

Nancy's behavior and attitude worsens almost daily. She yoyos between being syrupy sweet with her callers to being snippy or terse or rude or worse to some of her guests. Maybe she needs a vacation. Don't have a problem with most of what she says, it's how she says it, and how mercurial she is.

Godspeed to the searchers.

Seems to me she has been on vacation. The times I have tuned in, that Jane person has been on. Except the other day when Tim told her they received a check from her viewers who wanted it to be tagged w/her kiddos names.

[Amy]

Too many funny/interesting things to quote all the posts, but what I can say is.... you think there's a little 'footisie' going on under that table with Casey and Baez since she couldn't pay his retainer? No wonder he can't keep his hands off of her!
And what I'm understanding is, in FL, she can't get the DP since she hasn't been convicted of a crime before? Now isn't THAT just stupid! Murder is murder and just because she hasn't been CAUGHT/CONVICTED of a lesser crime doesn't mean she should get LWOP.


It's not that she CAN'T get DP w/out previous convictions, but when they consider mitigating circumstances, they are supposed to consider that. I would think that, if that is the only mitigating circumstance, it wouldn't have much weight. IMO

[Amy]

Thanks for the article, One2Snoop.

I notice that they misquoted PR genius Todd Black. They said "involving not just the life of a little girl" when I do believe he said "loss of life."

I see where Baez turned down (was it Casey's, or Cindy's decision) a psychiatric exam by a top-notch (in Lenamon's eyes) psychiatrist. Now, how in the world are they going to go with any kind of mental illness/defect defense if she isn't examined? Even if they are still stating kidnapping, there is their chance to explain her unusual way of investigating on her own for 31 days.

[deacon]

Doesn't the State of FL have a two part trial? In PA, at least, the guilt phase and the penalty phase are separate. She could be found guilty of first degree murder but not sentenced to death. She would get LWOP which would be an ok punishment, but I'd like to see them at least try for the ultimate penalty.

These jurors would be death qualified so the likelihood of getting one who would hold out just because it was on the table isn't real likely.

Yes there is a two part trial. Every state must have a two part trial. I just think there may be some on the jury that may not convict if they thought there was an outside chance she would face the DP. I didn't say they were smart or understood what was going on, just that they may see it that way.

People will say what they think the judge and lawyers want to hear if they want to get on a jury. and some of them would want to get on this one.

[deacon]

They'd better decide what their defense is before the trial starts. Won't they look the fools if, one minute they are trying to say she has MI, another minute--Wait!!! It was the kidnappers!!! Oh, the MEDIA and LE are the ones who should be on trial--and stick TES in there, and the protesters. Because of THEM, the kidnappers killed Caylee.

I actually can see that happening. Sad to say, but I can.

[deacon]

a couple of thoughts.

I watched NG last night and I guess I would have to say I would have probably talked to LeJame much as she did. He attacked first. She asked a question and instead of answering the question he went on a "witch hunt" in his reply and then turned and attacked her. Not smart. One question she asked was simply if the Anthonys had taken a LD test. Instead of answering Yes/No he went into a speech that went in circles and really never did answer the question.

On George, he knows Caylee is dead. He knows his daughter killed her. He has no proof but he knows. He is two different people when cindy is around and when she isn't. He responds to questions differently and even his tone of voice is different. Sad, he is being "brow beaten" by his wife, one he should be able to trust, who has no clue what she is talking about and he does. He was LE and has investigated murders before. He knows but because of his situation, can not say. He is going to be the one with mental problems after this is over. cindy and casey have personality problems, not mental problems.

All this and an innocent child was caught up in this mess and killed. Makes me sad.

[deputydi]

I agree with a few of you. I too get annoyed by Nancy Grace's attitude. She interrupts people and makes weird faces. I think it's weird that at the end of the show she says good night in a depressed voice. I hope tommorow nigth's show focuses on what will happen with TES search this weekend. Maybe Tim and Leonard can talk more depth about how the search will be carried out. Today I also read this article about crime scene tech students who will be helping out in the search.
http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4710578___article.html/assist_caylee.html
I heard this somewhere -- she says "goodnight, friend" at the end of every show to the late Johnny Cochran. She and Johnny began their tv careers co-hosting a show on CTV and became good friends. That's why she says it in almost a whisper.

[browneyes106]

Obviously, Cindy and George and not privy to or included in their daughter's case. Then George is seen by the area they will be searching gazing into the wooded area....how sad is that. Has anyone heard anything from Lee since his tirade against EquiSearch?

Old_Soul,

When I read this I had to wonder if George knows where the body is. Maybe he was checking to see if it is still well-hidden or maybe he was going to move it but was unable because he was observed.:shrug:


I have wondered about Lee for awhile too. I think he is keeping it on the down low or maybe he went back to work. Does anyone know what he does for a living. I remember on Fox News he was being interviewed one time while he was walking into the jail and he said that he took a leave of absence but what he said about his job wasn't audible. I think once the murder trial is over Lee will move out of state any maybe change his name.

[Brainstorm]

I was watching NG , but I have to say, I'm sick of hearing her berate, browbeat, put down, make fun and be an all around nasty b*t*h to others who are on her show to discuss cases. Hey we all understand what it's like to be up at 1:00 am with a 1 year old, but ...it's no fun to watch her being so rude ! :no: That being said I love her passion for the victims, but how about a little respect..after all she's not in a damn courtroom.

Even though there are aggravating circumstances that could back up the DP, it's apparently better to play the game the way the State is, and When Caylee is found, we know the DP will then be UP FRONT AND CENTER.

It's coming folks ~ only 2 days to TES and finding her.

Awesome - fresh eyes are always a plus.

RE: NG - she annoys the hell out of me. I used to like watching her show during the Laci Peterson Missing Case/Scott Peterson Trial. I don't know if its a hormonal change or what but good gawd she's extremely nasty to people and I'm surprised anyone will even agree to be on her show.

Show some tact Nancy ~ please and thank you. JMO.

Seems to me she has been on vacation. The times I have tuned in, that Jane person has been on. Except the other day when Tim told her they received a check from her viewers who wanted it to be tagged w/her kiddos names.

As Ive said before, I like the CONTENT of NG s shows and what she stands for, BUT I too am sick of her drippy sweet/tiger,with lipstick attitude.I like it better when Jane Valez-Mitchell, or someone else hosts.
Nancys' change in tone doesnt work, for me.She should stay at home a few months. I mean, hell, I HAD TWINS TOO!!!(AND BTW, I dam sure didnt want them in the public eye. I kept them close till they grew up a little and started school)Cute,but this is NOT what we're there for.She should keep all that personal stuff on a website or fan club.


a couple of thoughts.

I watched NG last night and I guess I would have to say I would have probably talked to LeJame much as she did. He attacked first. She asked a question and instead of answering the question he went on a "witch hunt" in his reply and then turned and attacked her. Not smart. One question she asked was simply if the Anthonys had taken a LD test. Instead of answering Yes/No he went into a speech that went in circles and really never did answer the question.

On George, he knows Caylee is dead. He knows his daughter killed her. He has no proof but he knows. He is two different people when cindy is around and when she isn't. He responds to questions differently and even his tone of voice is different. Sad, he is being "brow beaten" by his wife, one he should be able to trust, who has no clue what she is talking about and he does. He was LE and has investigated murders before. He knows but because of his situation, can not say. He is going to be the one with mental problems after this is over. cindy and casey have personality problems, not mental problems.

All this and an innocent child was caught up in this mess and killed. Makes me sad.
George KNOWS, but why is he still denying it?Maybe he is hen-pecked.When this is over, I see him getting a divorce and moving. Who wouldnt want too?

[Brainstorm]

Sounds as though George might be moving towards acceptance that Caylee is gone. Cindy will probably never accept it. Here is hoping we get some news this weekend with the search. And i agree i wish Nancy would take a chill pill before she totally ruins her show. I hate to see it become a scream fest for ratings like "The View" MOO:rose::rose:

Its become a hero worship thing, imo.(NG)Every caller first has to tell HER how much they LOVE HER and her kids.She has to be sweet and syrupy,then immediately go into a gorey detail, about the CASE. It just doesnt work.

[deputydi]

<snip>People will say what they think the judge and lawyers want to hear if they want to get on a jury. and some of them would want to get on this one.
While that's not impossible, there will no doubt be a jury consultant on both sides and they are pretty good at weeding out the flakes. Voir Dire for a death qualified jury is pretty intense and both defense and pros are aware of this possibility.

[deacon]

As Ive said before, I like the CONTENT of NG s shows and what she stands for, BUT I too am sick of her drippy sweet/tiger,with lipstick attitude.I like it better when Jane Valez-Mitchell, or someone else hosts.
Nancys' change in tone doesnt work, for me.She should stay at home a few months. I mean, hell, I HAD TWINS TOO!!!(AND BTW, I dam sure didnt want them in the public eye. I kept them close till they grew up a little and started school)Cute,but this is NOT what we're there for.She should keep all that personal stuff on a website or fan club.



George KNOWS, but why is he still denying it?Maybe he is hen-pecked.When this is over, I see him getting a divorce and moving. Who wouldnt want too?

That was what I meant. I wouldn't really call it hen-pecked, I would call it running from the devil. There is a difference.

[NMurphy02]

I just read the transcripts from NG last night and George and Cindy's attorney is a real piece of work. What a jerk. But then I have thought he was a jerk from the first time I saw him. NG sure put him in his place! YAY for her.:beer:

[deputydi]

I just read the transcripts from NG last night and George and Cindy's attorney is a real piece of work. What a jerk. But then I have thought he was a jerk from the first time I saw him. NG sure put him in his place! YAY for her.:beer:
I thought she was extremely rude to him. Whether you agree with, or like what he's saying, he has a right to speak. She kept cutting him off and interrupting -- more so than usual. He had the gumption to call her on it and she didn't like it.

BTW -- one point he made about the dress I did agree with. I've never known of an 18 mth old baby who was wearing a child's size 5 or 6 dress. This would have to be one gargantuan child. Nancy insisted he was wrong and even brought her producer in on the dispute. Nonsense. He also said she made a big deal out of the dress being found without waiting to see if there was any POSSIBLE relevance. That, to me, is irresponsible journalism.

[NMurphy02]

She asked a simple question, were his clients getting paid. He was the one that brought her into it. This wasn't about her. This was a simple question to him. All he had to do was answer it. He got very defensive. Just My Opinon though.:)

[deputydi]

She asked a simple question, were his clients getting paid. He was the one that brought her into it. This wasn't about her. This was a simple question to him. All he had to do was answer it. He got very defensive. Just My Opinon though.:)
I don't remember what started it all, but she cut him off before he could even finish his sentence. I guess all she wanted him to say was "yes" or "no". He was there obviously at HER invitation and since when do you treat a guest so rudely? This is her usual MO and I just don't like rude people. I appreciate what she stands for, but the way she treats people gets on my very last nerve.

[Sea Zephyr]

I think George is a hypocrite. He says he doesn't like to think he raised a daughter who could do something like this, but Cindy's brother says he threw someone threw a plate glass window when he was working at a car dealership. I think anger issues run deep in the family.

On another note, I don't understand why the defense is saying that Caylee might have died of an overdose of sedatives, while at the same time, Casey is still denying she did anything wrong, and says the police "will not break her." Don't the client and her defense have to agree with one another? They're contradicting each other. They're going two different directions.

[browneyes106]

I think George is a hypocrite. He says he doesn't like to think he raised a daughter who could do something like this, but Cindy's brother says he threw someone threw a plate glass window when he was working at a car dealership. I think anger issues run deep in the family.

On another note, I don't understand why the defense is saying that Caylee might have died of an overdose of sedatives, while at the same time, Casey is still denying she did anything wrong, and says the police "will not break her." Don't the client and her defense have to agree with one another? They're contradicting each other. They're going two different directions.

I agree I have thought the same things since reading the stuff that Cindy's brother posted. My theory is that George has anger problems and maybe he had a bad history with his family and I think Cindy was envious of George's sister and her husband who owned a dealership that she pushed George into working with his dad so he could take over the business but nothing went as planne . Also Cindy's brother said that there is a reason George didn't have a LE career in Florida. I bet his dad probably pressed charges and it tarnished his record and he was forced into working security in Florida. Cindy's brother also posted that George had an online gambling addiction. I do believe that George's anger and mismanagement with money sort rubbed off on Casey. I believe that the Anthony's have always been dysfunctional. It was mentioned that they lost their home in Ohio and moved to Florida and that Cindy started working as nurse after the move. I think there are a lot of things that we don't know about them and might not ever know.

[deacon]

Or maybe running "with" the devil for the time being cuz he has to. And maybe he has some sompassion for Cindy and knows she cant handle the truth.:shrug: MOO

I lean toward him knowing that if he spoke out against what she said she would "blow up" on him and he may be in the middle of a divorce. Not something he needs on top of what is going on now.

He said back in the beginning something that hit me last night. He made the statement when he went to get the car. It was after he smelled the smell before he opened the trunk. He said he was scared that Caylee would be in the trunk and then he would have lost not only his grand daughter but also his daughter. Like I said, he knows but can not prove it. He knew when that smell hit him what it was. Caylee's body not being in the trunk just prolonged it.

[One2Snoop]

WFTV 9 Video
TEAM COVERAGE: Cindy Denies Making Threat, Trial Gets Delayed

http://www.wftv.com/video/index.html

[deputydi]

I lean toward him knowing that if he spoke out against what she said she would "blow up" on him and he may be in the middle of a divorce. Not something he needs on top of what is going on now.

He said back in the beginning something that hit me last night. He made the statement when he went to get the car. It was after he smelled the smell before he opened the trunk. He said he was scared that Caylee would be in the trunk and then he would have lost not only his grand daughter but also his daughter. Like I said, he knows but can not prove it. He knew when that smell hit him what it was. Caylee's body not being in the trunk just prolonged it.
I think George is caught between a rock and a hard place. How would you like to be living with a control freak (Cindy) who doesn't have a very good grasp on reality all the while knowing in your gut that something bad happened to your granddaughter. That's got to be tough. George may have no proof, but IMO he knows.

[Grave Chaser]

Who needs cable/satellite when I've got this forum and you guys/gals! Happy Friday! :beer:

[grneyes]

If the defense is saying accidental death, does that mean they are finally admitting that Caylee is indeed dead?

[One2Snoop]

Mental Health May Determine Fate Of Mom Of Missing Caylee Anthony
Woman Charged With 1st-Degree Murder
POSTED: 9:13 pm EST November 6, 2008
UPDATED: 11:21 am EST November 7, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The mental health of Casey Anthony, who has been charged with first-degree murder in the disappearance of her daughter, Caylee, could be the key to determining her fate, according to a Local 6 News report.

Anthony, 22, remains jailed and is scheduled to go to trial in January. Caylee was last seen in mid-June but was not reported missing until a month later.
Anthony has undergone two psychological evaluations, but the reports have been sealed by the judge who ordered the tests after Anthony's arrest in July.
Local 6 News investigative reporter Tony Pipitone interviewed Lake Mary psychiatrist Dr. Ryan Hall, who has not examined Anthony and could not comment to her specifically, but he has studied women who have killed and their motivations for the killings.

"You have to look at the motivation -- why they're doing -- why they think they have to (kill their own child)," Hall said.
Psychiatrists focus on five general reasons, Hall said.
Altruistic, which was explained as the person doing the child a favor.
Psychotic, when the killer is having hallucinations or delusions.
Accidental, which usually result from abuse.
Revenge, getting back at someone, usually a spouse or the child's parent.
Unwanted child.
Hall said that only in extreme cases can the killer be found not criminally responsible for the death.
"You have to have a severe mental illness, and two -- due to the severe mental illness -- you have to not realize what you were doing was wrong," Hall said.
Andrea Yates, the Texas mother who is in a psychiatric hospital after drowning her five children because she said she was battling Satan before calmly reporting the deaths to police, is an example of that type of person, Local 6 News reported.
Pipitone said the prosecution of Anthony thus far seems closer to that of Susan Smith, who let a car containing her two children roll into a lake, where they drowned. Smith blamed carjackers who never existed, and she's serving a life sentence in South Carolina.
"She was interested in an individual, (and) he said he didn't want to be with a single mother. She killed her two kids. There was concealment, it was planned out, she made false statements to police, she was trying to avoid detection (and) she knew what she'd done was wrong," Hall said.
Investigators believe Anthony is concealing the location of her daughter's body.
"No more lies. No more bull coming out of your mouth. We've been very respectful. We're taking our time and talking to you, but we're tired of all the lies. No more lies. What happened to Caylee?" Orange County sheriff's Detective Yuri Melich said in a July interview at Universal, where Anthony had said she worked.
"I don't know," Anthony said.
"You do know," Melich replied.
"I don't know," Anthony repeated.
"What happened to Caylee?" Melich asked.
"I don't know where she is. That's the God's honest truth," Anthony said.
If Anthony were delusional, she would really believe that she worked at Universal and left Caylee with an imaginary baby sitter, Pipitone said. The state claims that Anthony is lying.
Psychiatrists, like Hall, routinely determine whether someone is delusional or simply deceptive.
"You have to look at what the motivation is there. Is it that they don't want to admit they're really unemployed? Do they have to let people think they're greater than they are? So there could be personality factors, (a) need for narcissism, needs to seem greater than they are. Or they could be trying to hide embarrassment or shame," Hall said.
If Anthony has no severe mental illness, there's no way she can avoid prison, if convicted, Local 6 News reported.
"People found insane go to the state mental hospital, but that's reserved for truly psychotic people. Casey just doesn't seem to fit that bill," Pipitone said. "She's not been convicted of anything, but clearly she has issues that could lead to the death penalty being taken off the table or mitigate against a death sentence if she ever were convicted."

http://www.local6.com/news/17927572/detail.html

[deputydi]

If the defense is saying accidental death, does that mean they are finally admitting that Caylee is indeed dead?
I think they know in their hearts (just like we do) but they are not admitting it. It sounds to me like they are trying to cover their tracks -- just in case Casey's body is found this weekend. I think they are worried. They have to know that the SODDI defense won't work if she is found.

[deputydi]

Oops -- I meant in case CAYLEE'S body is found this weekend.

[One2Snoop]

Photo's of Casey when she was a baby/young girl

http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17912435/detail.html

I don't see how showing pictures of Casey when she was a baby/young girl is supposed to help the defense? :shrug: I'm sure various other murderers appeared normal in theirs.

[Michele]

Who needs cable/satellite when I've got this forum and you guys/gals! Happy Friday! :beer:

Just thinking the same thing! :D

[lorettalockhorn]

Hey all! :seeya: Just a shout out to say thanks for posting updates on this case. I'd also like to ask if you'd be so kind as to post the article in the updates thread too? I know, double the work but its helpful for newcomers and oldtimers alike to be able to go look up an article within a certain time frame in a "no discussion thread". Think of it as our library of articles.
Here's the link to the updates thread...

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291264&page=23

Wish I could be here 24/7 to keep this case updated but thats impossible. Everyones input/help is appreciated.

I also wanted to give a big thank you to Loretta, you were awesome in keeping the updates thread updated while I was away. :beer:


You are so welcome; everyone was great to grab updates for us while I was wool gathering from time to time.

While you were away. What? You're not out of town? :hat:

[lorettalockhorn]

a couple of thoughts.

I watched NG last night and I guess I would have to say I would have probably talked to LeJame much as she did. He attacked first. She asked a question and instead of answering the question he went on a "witch hunt" in his reply and then turned and attacked her. Not smart. One question she asked was simply if the Anthonys had taken a LD test. Instead of answering Yes/No he went into a speech that went in circles and really never did answer the question.

On George, he knows Caylee is dead. He knows his daughter killed her. He has no proof but he knows. He is two different people when cindy is around and when she isn't. He responds to questions differently and even his tone of voice is different. Sad, he is being "brow beaten" by his wife, one he should be able to trust, who has no clue what she is talking about and he does. He was LE and has investigated murders before. He knows but because of his situation, can not say. He is going to be the one with mental problems after this is over. cindy and casey have personality problems, not mental problems.

All this and an innocent child was caught up in this mess and killed. Makes me sad.

RE: NG, you just have to wonder why people don't answer her questions and then go off on a tangent. I don't mind her trying to keep people on task, and I don't even mind her argumentative nature, but sometimes she could use a little more tact. Maybe she needs another vacation. Or meds to control that lashing out that she does.

You are so kind to call George browbeaten. I think he's completely PW.

I don't always feel warm and fuzzy when folks say that So And So is in a better place, but Caylee is and I can say that without reservation.

[One2Snoop]

<<<<snip>>>>>

You are so kind to call George browbeaten. I think he's completely PW.

LORETTA DARLIN', you are a pisser!!!!!!!!!!! :tongue:

http://i34.tinypic.com/hu1v11.gif

[lighthousedazy]

I posted a couple of pages ago, how we are hearing and being privy to info that usually isn't meant for public consumption and "is it right?"

Now on NG, here she is saying how even the jury usually doesn't even get to hear some of these interviews, never mind the public. Is she reading our posts? She's also rather sedate (so far)...Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I said this once before, don't know if anyone here has ever had the misfortune to smell a dead body, but I do know from personal experience, it does not smell like rotten staek or chicken or something bad in your fridge...The smell is so distinctive, that you can Never, ever forget it.

It is no wonder George had to throw up during the interview. He knew. It's mind blowing to think this man then went ahead and handed out fliers and whatever, fighting people on his own front lawn, after knowing what he knew. Very sad, Very sad.
Watching NG tonight also, I know that George definitely knows that Caylee is dead. It may be subconciously or he won't admit it, but he knows. jmo

[wind149]

I listened to the tapes released today on NG and I am convinced that George knows more than he has said, he does not come off in denial, he actually gets physically ill during the conversation he has with LE, and I think that soon, that is, when Tim and Leonard and the 3,000 plus volunteers find Caylee's body, I have faith that they will and then let the games begin for Casey. It just makes me want to puke seeing her in those party pictures, going to Blockbuster, and all this time, her daughter is laying somewhere decomposing and this is why I think they need to rethink the death penalty because this ***** could have ended this charade months ago by admitting she killed her and where her body is. I watched 48 hours tonight, it was a repeat about Molly Bish who was the girl from Warren Mass who went missing and then three years later her body was recovered and to this day though, they have no viable suspects. Her mother said something that has stuck in my mind, "between hell and hope" and this describes this case. Everyone in this country and abroad wanted this little girl to be found alive, but with 20 weeks gone by, we all know she is dead and we do know who killed her. And yeah, human decomp is like no other smell and you will not ever forget it either, and it sure as hell does not smell like 13 day old pizza!:flamemad:

[mu8shark]

Sounds as though George might be moving towards acceptance that Caylee is gone. Cindy will probably never accept it. Here is hoping we get some news this weekend with the search. And i agree i wish Nancy would take a chill pill before she totally ruins her show. I hate to see it become a scream fest for ratings like "The View" MOO:rose::rose: She never used to bother me but I hate it when she interupts people or rails at them when she does not get the answer she wants. I also hate it when she asks her reporters a question and they kind of give a background or some other pertinent facts and she says, That is not what I asked you. I asked blank blank blank yes or no. Sometimes I like hearing what others have to say or what others find interesting and she makes her show all about her. I also kind of get tired of hearing people go on ad nauseam about how great she is and her children. Don't get me wrong I think it is wonderful that she had those children and wish her and them well but sometimes I think it is a bit like Cathy Lee Gifford she uses them for publicity. It is almost weird too that when she had children it did not make her softer or more tolerant,, she seems more impatient.

[mu8shark]

I only got to hear a small snippet from NG last night, but what I got from it is Baez (or someone) is now saying IF Caylee is dead, it was accidental??? How does that absolve Casey from wrongdoing? I was under the impression that she can still be tried for murder 1 if Caylee died accidentally during the commission of another crime. IF Casey used the chloroform to put Caylee to sleep while she partied, that, in and of itself, is a crime and if Caylee died as a result, IT IS MURDER.

There may be an important point I've missed and, if I have, please someone fill me in.

IF Caylee died accidently from an overdose (some kind of pills she found), or accidently drowned in the pool, and they don't have a body on which to do an autopsy to prove it, wouldn't that 31 day lapse and all her lies make her story unbelievable to any jury? I just don't see any defense, under any circumstance that is going to absolve her of responsibility and I don't see any jury on earth that is going to believe a word this lying B***H utters.

Can anyone here think of a plausible defense that will explain her lack of cooperation with LE, her obvious lack of concern for her "missing" or dead child, the crazy lies and the conflicting stories she has told. Then, there is the forensic evidence that has to be explained . . .

Unless they pick the most stupid jury they can find, there is IMO simply NO way she's walking away from this. I agree she is not walking away from this and the new attorney who wrote that memo or influenced it is starting to understand that. If if for some reason they pick a jury that does not get the forensics, human beings get behavioral evidence and nobody on that jury white black purple young or old will look at her behavior as anything other than damning, who would look at her and say Oh I understand that is the way a grieving mother who is devasted about her child being kidnapped acts. ITA. I see no way out of this for her.

[mu8shark]

Thats for sure and all anyone has to see are all the beautiful baby pics of Caylee :rose: Regarding what Snoop said about pics of Casey as a baby influencing the Prosecutions decision , I totally agree. Not to be mean or suggest a direct comparison but I am sure Charlie Manson and Aileen Wuornos and Scott Peterson had some cute baby pics, right? That is just absurd. Baez must think this is Disney does Murder. :cuss:

[mu8shark]

Watching NG tonight also, I know that George definitely knows that Caylee is dead. It may be subconciously or he won't admit it, but he knows. jmoOddly before this interview with George I said I thought George knew. It was like he left home without Cindy and came to his senses and then went home and was reprogrammed w(okay I actually was much more sarcastic than that, I said it was aliens and they did reprogram him with an anal probe but no matter LOL). After hearing this interview it is obvious he knew from day one. I don't mean he knows as in he participated or hid the body or even that Casey confessed to him but he knew, he was a cop! ANd I feel a bit sorry for him. Look at the position he is in, this will probably ruin his marriage and leave him with feelings of enormous guilt. With Cindy I think it is more about her being right and not looking bad.

[mu8shark]

From the beginning of this case, one of the things I can't figure is why if Casey had thirty days she didn't think of a better story. I mean, I get it when an accident happens or someone gets mad and in a half hour or even a day they concoct a story full of holes because they panic. She had thirty days to think of a better story. Every single thing she said could be checked out quickly and easily. Was she so busy partying that she never sat down and thought here is a good story ? Or was there a part of her personality that just always avoided consequences because she never had to face them or pay the price, so she just put it in the back of her mind. I kind of think one of her plans may have had to do with the guy in CA the guy in the service she contacted to see if she could come out there. If she could have gotten out to CA, she may well have been able to keep the fiction going, telling her Mom she took Caylee with her and telling the soldier Caylee was at home with her Mom and hoping they would not communicate. Also, I am a bit puzzled that the swimming pool ladder conversation took place as late as the 24th. I think Caylee was long dead so why would Casey have fooled with that ladder a full eight days or so after Caylee was dead. You can't very well stage an accident eight days later. The body would already show severe decomposition, so if Casey moved that ladder on the 24th the day she was home and she and George had garage confrontation, why, what was she doing with that ladder or by the pool? I don't get that. Anybody have any ideas on that? It would make more sense if it happened like around the 16th and Cindy and George noticed it then and got into it, why eight days after police think Caylee was dead?

[lighthousedazy]

Regarding what Snoop said about pics of Casey as a baby influencing the Prosecutions decision , I totally agree. Not to be mean or suggest a direct comparison but I am sure Charlie Manson and Aileen Wuornos and Scott Peterson had some cute baby pics, right? That is just absurd. Baez must think this is Disney does Murder. :cuss:
Yes, I was also going to say that Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer, Jack the Ripper, and others were probably cute babies also. What does that prove, Jose?? :eek: jmo

[mu8shark]

I would be very interested to hear after it was all said and done from the jury if they pull that stunt. And that of course being if they go for the DP. If i was ever on a jury and the defense pulled that it would tell me several things: They are desperate,probably no character witnesses-at least ones that knew her in the latter years and most of all it would make me:flamemad: Idiotic move on the defense part-even at this point. MOO:rose: Exactly it was weird enough in the S Peterson trial when they found no current character witnesses and they had to go all the way back to school teachers. I mean for Casey's defense they would be going way way back. Not effective. It makes you wonder about her defense team. It was interesting to hear George say he did not like Baez

[mu8shark]

Maybe everyone as already seen this but it is Cindys statement following the leaked defense documents revealing it might be possible Caylee is dead from an almost certain accident. ""I feel that a good attorney will plan for the worse case scenario and hope for the best. I know that Casey's attorneys know that she is innocent, but they cannot ignore how the media has already spun the facts and convicted her.

"Casey has been severely attacked by the media since she was first arrested, and anyone would be a fool to ignore that. All of the negative spin has done her an injustice. Just look at what it has done for poor Caylee. The media already has given up on looking for this child, when there is simply no credible or concrete evidence to prove that she is dead.

"The defense and the family will never give up on looking for Caylee. We continue to believe she is alive, and so should everyone else who has a conscience. I would ask anyone to ask themselves just how quick would they stop looking for someone that they loved?"

[mu8shark]

MOO but most socio's are their own worst enemy in the end. She believes her lies over time. She does not view the world in the same way and cannot understand why we dont believe her. I think she got a bit panicked and boxed in-everything was starting to close in on her so she made some really stupid moves as far as her alibi,she was running out of options. Perhaps her original plan was foiled some how. She probably did not expect Cindy and Amy to show up that night as Mom never made her accountable. As i said MOO. As far as the pool ladder goes i have wondered if it just has nothing to do with this. Anyone who has ever owned a pool has probably had kids jump the fence and use the pool when family away. I cant remember the details of the span of time when they noticed that the ladder had been moved so not sure if this theory holds weight. MOO:beer: Well on George's interview it seemed like he mentioned that Cindy called him on the 24th the same day that Casey was in the garage and said, Thanks for leaving the ladder down or something to that effect. I am kind of now wondering if it does have zero to do with the case. I do have one more thought kind of weird and macabre, you don't suppose Casey submerged Caylee long after her death in that pool thinking it would help like wash off the smell and that is why the dogs hit in and around that area in the backyard.? Probably I am reaching but maybe Casey would think you could clean a body like that. I know it sounds retched. Just find it weird it is mentioned so late in the game if they think it is relevant.

[browneyes106]

Well on George's interview it seemed like he mentioned that Cindy called him on the 24th the same day that Casey was in the garage and said, Thanks for leaving the ladder down or something to that effect. I am kind of now wondering if it does have zero to do with the case. I do have one more thought kind of weird and macabre, you don't suppose Casey submerged Caylee long after her death in that pool thinking it would help like wash off the smell and that is why the dogs hit in and around that area in the backyard.? Probably I am reaching but maybe Casey would think you could clean a body like that. I know it sounds retched. Just find it weird it is mentioned so late in the game if they think it is relevant.

You have a good theory about Casey cleaning the Caylee's body in the pool. Maybe she thought it would wash away DNA and the smell. People in a hurry will do anything thinking it will erase certain aspects. In Arizona there is a murder case where woman murdered her ex boyfriend at his home and rinsed off his body in the shower but she left behind a camera that contained pictures of her and her ex naked and pictures of him dying on the floor. If you google Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander you find some info on this case. Also Jodi is very similar to Casey she had made up stories about what happened to her ex. She seems to be a sociopath. Your theory isn't retched.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well on George's interview it seemed like he mentioned that Cindy called him on the 24th the same day that Casey was in the garage and said, Thanks for leaving the ladder down or something to that effect. I am kind of now wondering if it does have zero to do with the case. I do have one more thought kind of weird and macabre, you don't suppose Casey submerged Caylee long after her death in that pool thinking it would help like wash off the smell and that is why the dogs hit in and around that area in the backyard.? Probably I am reaching but maybe Casey would think you could clean a body like that. I know it sounds retched. Just find it weird it is mentioned so late in the game if they think it is relevant.

Surely unless Casey refrigerated or froze Caylee after her death on the 15th/16th, there just wouldn't be much left for her to submerge and wash on the 24th. She would have been pretty deteriorated by then wouldn't she? With the FL heat? Maybe the ladder is just a fluke. Or maybe Casey was working on her tan.

[mu8shark]

Surely unless Casey refrigerated or froze Caylee after her death on the 15th/16th, there just wouldn't be much left for her to submerge and wash on the 24th. She would have been pretty deteriorated by then wouldn't she? With the FL heat? Maybe the ladder is just a fluke. Or maybe Casey was working on her tan. Well she would not have been skeltonized by them, her body would be intact, just tissue decomposing and skin kind of falling off, sorry to be so gross. I was just thinking what if she thought man this smell , I got to get rid of this smell and used the pool for that maybe even thinking chlorine would not only help the smell (falsely) and also like someone just pointed out maybe she thought it would sanitize of dna or evidence. It is just a theory and I kind of thought of it in the back of my mind and want naw, naw well maybe. Also I think tomorrow after work I will read some of George's interview, lots of people on message boards talking about the E passes and when George was chasing a car with Casey in it thinking it was Casey in Cindys car. I guess it was Tony's. Also I guess in the interview George is angry at Tony , not saying why but saying he never met him and never wanted to because he did not know what he would do to him. I think George blames Tony and other new friends for Caseys behavior, which is lame.

[mu8shark]

I had heard that as well that George did not like Baez. Was there a reason he stated as to why?? I only heard the snippet on Nancy and I would like to know why as well. I understand his interivew is in written form on line and there is much more to it. I am going to try and look at those tomorrow and will see if I can give you all a report or summary of some sort.

[lighthousedazy]

I only heard the snippet on Nancy and I would like to know why as well. I understand his interivew is in written form on line and there is much more to it. I am going to try and look at those tomorrow and will see if I can give you all a report or summary of some sort.I heard that part on NG too, that George did not like Baez. IMO, Calyee did not drown in the pool. Her mother was doing chloroform searches on line and she deliberately killed her because she hampered her lifestyle. Caysee may have put her in the pool to disquise the chloroform (or so she thought). Somewhere I read that Tony may not have wanted to be bothered with children. This is the case with Susan Smith and Teresa Fargeson, new boyfriends that they thought would not want to be with women with children. jmo:(

[lorettalockhorn]

Well she would not have been skeltonized by them, her body would be intact, just tissue decomposing and skin kind of falling off, sorry to be so gross. I was just thinking what if she thought man this smell , I got to get rid of this smell and used the pool for that maybe even thinking chlorine would not only help the smell (falsely) and also like someone just pointed out maybe she thought it would sanitize of dna or evidence. It is just a theory and I kind of thought of it in the back of my mind and want naw, naw well maybe. Also I think tomorrow after work I will read some of George's interview, lots of people on message boards talking about the E passes and when George was chasing a car with Casey in it thinking it was Casey in Cindys car. I guess it was Tony's. Also I guess in the interview George is angry at Tony , not saying why but saying he never met him and never wanted to because he did not know what he would do to him. I think George blames Tony and other new friends for Caseys behavior, which is lame.

I don't think the body would be well intact. Besides the skin sloughing off, there could have been organ eruptions, etc. Honestly, I think there would have literally been pieces of Caylee in the pool. I'm probably too squeamish to google decomposition.

[samanthajane13]

"Can someone explain what an E pass is? If we have them in Canada i sure have never ran across them?"

I believe they're what we call Easy Pass in New York. It's a pre-paid toll pass for use on Thruways. You put it on the visor or dash board of your car, and as you go through the toll-barrier, it automatically acknowledges that your toll's been paid. It also records when and where you go through tolls, and that info is usually stored on some kind of state data base, which is very convenient for LE, because if they're questioning the whereabouts of someone, and that person uses an Easy Pass, the data base can prove or disprove where they were at a particular time and date where the Easy Pass was activated by the toll booth.

It saves time and money for people who use toll roads on a regular basis.

[mu8shark]

Thanks mu-what link are u going to? Some of mine are working and some not.Here is the fox links I found if you go there you just click on these little boxes one by one and those are the pages of his interview. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/110608georgeanthony/indexGallery.htm

[mu8shark]

I don't think the body would be well intact. Besides the skin sloughing off, there could have been organ eruptions, etc. Honestly, I think there would have literally been pieces of Caylee in the pool. I'm probably too squeamish to google decomposition. Okay here is a yahoo answer , not very descriptive, however at the risk of being indelicate I would be a little bit more frank because of a personal experience. My cousin had an 89 year old aunt who died in Aug in her home and there was no air conditioning because the old woman did not believe in it and it caused havoc or so she believed with her arthritis. My cousin, her father and I went over to check on her after they had not heard from her in three weeks. Unfortunately she was dead. She had probably been dead about nine days according to the coroner. Her skin was completely black , there was skin slippage and obviously the smell was unbelievable. I went in just far enough in the room to see her body. If there was something called organ eruptions I am not sure what that is , it was not apparent , nothing was like falling off her in pieces . I am sorry to be so blunt about this old womans death, now this is just my experience and Kansas City is extremely humid. I suppose Florida could be worse or better, although a closed trunk may be dryer. So I have to disrespectfully disagree
that there would have been pieces of Caylee in the pool. ere is the yahoo answer sorry I did not remember to post it. Best Answer - Chosen by Voters
A body begins to decay as soon as the person dies, though it doesn't become apparent until a few days have passed (or so)... It depends on the circumstances, though. If the car was left in a place with little moisture, the body wouldn't decay as quickly as it would in moister climates.

But it's summer time, and in Florida, so let's assume that the body was left in semi-moist conditions.

Also, the rate of decomposition depends on the size of the person. Let's say she was completely average, and in semi-moist conditions... It could take approximately 8-10 months before the body was completely decomposed.

[samanthajane13]

I was wondering...

What if the guy from California wasn't interested in children???

Could this be another Susan Smith type crime???

Maybe Casey killed Caylee so she could hook up with him...

[lorettalockhorn]

mu8shark, I don't usually read wikipedia, but it was the first link I got when I googled and I didn't want to scan the page, because there were pictures that I was avoiding. The wiki article does explain the four stages of decomposition (without illustrations) that I learned 150 or so years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition#Stages

[lighthousedazy]

I was wondering...

What if the guy from California wasn't interested in children???

Could this be another Susan Smith type crime???

Maybe Casey killed Caylee so she could hook up with him...This is what I touched on also. Maybe she thought Tony wasn't interested in children. We know that Susan Smith and Teresa Fargeson had new boyfriends that didn't want to have anything to do with children.

[mu8shark]

This is what I touched on also. Maybe she thought Tony wasn't interested in children. We know that Susan Smith and Teresa Fargeson had new boyfriends that didn't want to have anything to do with children.When Casey had that fight with Cindy and ask Tony if she could come stay with him, he told her she could not have Caylee spend the night. This supposedly was on the 15th when they had the fight.

[lighthousedazy]

When Casey had that fight with Cindy and ask Tony if she could come stay with him, he told her she could not have Caylee spend the night. This supposedly was on the 15th when they had the fight.I truly believe that the Orlando SO should check with the SC LE about the Susan Smith case and the Macon/Bibb GA LE about the Teresa Fargeson case. :( jmo

[Amy]

I have wondered about Lee for awhile too. I think he is keeping it on the down low or maybe he went back to work. Does anyone know what he does for a living. I remember on Fox News he was being interviewed one time while he was walking into the jail and he said that he took a leave of absence but what he said about his job wasn't audible. I think once the murder trial is over Lee will move out of state any maybe change his name.

Probably not too far. He is one of the board of directors of the whatever it was Cindy was setting up. Wonder if that ever passed? Anyway, the three A's are the board of directors, and there are 2 other officers---one being g/f Mallory and the other being her mother.

[mu8shark]

mu8shark, I don't usually read wikipedia, but it was the first link I got when I googled and I didn't want to scan the page, because there were pictures that I was avoiding. The wiki article does explain the four stages of decomposition (without illustrations) that I learned 150 or so years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decomposition#Stages Well it does mention it happens much more quickly when exposed to open air,, I would think a closed trunk may slow that a bit. It also does not give a blow by blow by date like as in on day eight the organs would be breaking down so that they would be in pieces outside the body. I only know what I saw and I don't even know if the ladder has anything at all to do with that, but I do think it could be a possiblity esp if the dogs hit on that area.It may have zero to do with the case. It is just my opinion as I said that pieces of her would not necessarily be falling off and nothing in the article changes my opinion, but is after just an opinion and of course not from any medical knowledge or any particular forensic experience I have. I would be curious to see exactly where the dogs hit as opposed to a general description. I wonder if that is online anywhere. I certainly would be curious. I don't think in the middle of this with her coming home and trying not to be seen and in a hurry she would have been swimming or sunbathing but that is just my opinion as is the above post.

[browneyes106]

It was mentioned NG a few times about Tony saying no to Caylee spending the night at his apartment. Casey had taken Caylee to Tony's apartment before but those were probably day visits. I do think that maybe Tony might not have been interested in Caylee but maybe he was trying to accept her and he could have felt weird about Caylee spending the night and maybe that is why he said no to Casey on the 15th. It has been noted that Casey's past boyfriend Ricardo Morales and Mark Hawkins adored Caylee. Mark said in his emails he wanted to be her Caylee's male role model and Ricardo said that Casey and Caylee spent the night at his place several times. Some men are completely with dating women with kids. I have a lot of male relatives and friends who like kids but will avoid dating women with kids. I think Tony wasn't sure about Caylee being in his life and he might have shown himself not to be interested in her.

[Amy]

As Ive said before, I like the CONTENT of NG s shows and what she stands for, BUT I too am sick of her drippy sweet/tiger,with lipstick attitude.I like it better when Jane Valez-Mitchell, or someone else hosts.
Nancys' change in tone doesnt work, for me.She should stay at home a few months. I mean, hell, I HAD TWINS TOO!!!(AND BTW, I dam sure didnt want them in the public eye. I kept them close till they grew up a little and started school)Cute,but this is NOT what we're there for.She should keep all that personal stuff on a website or fan club.



George KNOWS, but why is he still denying it?Maybe he is hen-pecked.When this is over, I see him getting a divorce and moving. Who wouldnt want too?

I don't appreciate Jane so much, because the times she has been on, she does not seem well-informed about the case @ all. One thing about the talk shows and the TH's on them that has always bothered me was, they tended to speak in generalities. The hosts didn't seem to be well up on the case, and the TH's only talked about the issues, and didn't know much @ all about the cases.

This one does seem different, most of the folks actually talk specifics about THIS case. Jane just didn't seem as up on it as there rest. (Besides, I think she is trying to be NG, Jr. She should get her own personality. IMO)

[mu8shark]

One thing I noticed is that the tow yard manager Simon Burch said that George told him,"We will probably get a divorce over this whole situation." Makes you wonder what is going in in that home and what has been going on regarding them disagreeing on Casey in the past.

[Amy]

I thought she was extremely rude to him. Whether you agree with, or like what he's saying, he has a right to speak. She kept cutting him off and interrupting -- more so than usual. He had the gumption to call her on it and she didn't like it.

BTW -- one point he made about the dress I did agree with. I've never known of an 18 mth old baby who was wearing a child's size 5 or 6 dress. This would have to be one gargantuan child. Nancy insisted he was wrong and even brought her producer in on the dispute. Nonsense. He also said she made a big deal out of the dress being found without waiting to see if there was any POSSIBLE relevance. That, to me, is irresponsible journalism.

Didn't see the show nor read the transcript, but I can vision it in my mind!!!

I agree about the dress. There just isn't any way for Caylee to have been in a size 5 or 6 dress. First, I don't believe for one minute that Cindy would have bought her one in that size, and Casey wouldn't have spent a cent on buying one in any size, cuz Cindy did that.

Nope, IMO, if there was a size 5 or 6 dress found, it would have nothing to do w/Caylee. She didn't look in her pics that she was big for a 3 y/o @ all.

[One2Snoop]

From the beginning of this case, one of the things I can't figure is why if Casey had thirty days she didn't think of a better story. I mean, I get it when an accident happens or someone gets mad and in a half hour or even a day they concoct a story full of holes because they panic. She had thirty days to think of a better story. Every single thing she said could be checked out quickly and easily. Was she so busy partying that she never sat down and thought here is a good story ? Or was there a part of her personality that just always avoided consequences because she never had to face them or pay the price, so she just put it in the back of her mind. I kind of think one of her plans may have had to do with the guy in CA the guy in the service she contacted to see if she could come out there. If she could have gotten out to CA, she may well have been able to keep the fiction going, telling her Mom she took Caylee with her and telling the soldier Caylee was at home with her Mom and hoping they would not communicate. Also, I am a bit puzzled that the swimming pool ladder conversation took place as late as the 24th. I think Caylee was long dead so why would Casey have fooled with that ladder a full eight days or so after Caylee was dead. You can't very well stage an accident eight days later. The body would already show severe decomposition, so if Casey moved that ladder on the 24th the day she was home and she and George had garage confrontation, why, what was she doing with that ladder or by the pool? I don't get that. Anybody have any ideas on that? It would make more sense if it happened like around the 16th and Cindy and George noticed it then and got into it, why eight days after police think Caylee was dead?

Maybe she decided to go for a quick swim that day and was careless about taking the ladder down - she knew *Caylee was gone so there was no need for worry from that perspective.
I was thinking she may have taken a bath in the pool but that wouldn't make sense if she had a key to the house. So forget that part LOL.

[mu8shark]

I don't appreciate Jane so much, because the times she has been on, she does not seem well-informed about the case @ all. One thing about the talk shows and the TH's on them that has always bothered me was, they tended to speak in generalities. The hosts didn't seem to be well up on the case, and the TH's only talked about the issues, and didn't know much @ all about the cases.

This one does seem different, most of the folks actually talk specifics about THIS case. Jane just didn't seem as up on it as there rest. (Besides, I think she is trying to be NG, Jr. She should get her own personality. IMO) I completely agree about Jane, I do not think she is well informed and for me Greta was the best choice and I liked generally how she treated her panel but she is now all politicallly wrapped up. I think Fox has enough politics , Greta should at least try to do both.

[Amy]

I lean toward him knowing that if he spoke out against what she said she would "blow up" on him and he may be in the middle of a divorce. Not something he needs on top of what is going on now.

He said back in the beginning something that hit me last night. He made the statement when he went to get the car. It was after he smelled the smell before he opened the trunk. He said he was scared that Caylee would be in the trunk and then he would have lost not only his grand daughter but also his daughter. Like I said, he knows but can not prove it. He knew when that smell hit him what it was. Caylee's body not being in the trunk just prolonged it.

They don't need a divorce right now, but wonder what will happen in the future? When this case first came out, it was reported that there was going to be a divorce--IIRC, that would have been in 2005. For whatever reason, they did not get divorced, so would wonder if their relationship is such that it would last thru the repercussions of Casey being convicted.

[lorettalockhorn]

Well it does mention it happens much more quickly when exposed to open air,, I would think a closed trunk may slow that a bit. It also does not give a blow by blow by date like as in on day eight the organs would be breaking down so that they would be in pieces outside the body. I only know what I saw and I don't even know if the ladder has anything at all to do with that, but I do think it could be a possiblity esp if the dogs hit on that area.It may have zero to do with the case. It is just my opinion as I said that pieces of her would not necessarily be falling off and nothing in the article changes my opinion, but is after just an opinion and of course not from any medical knowledge or any particular forensic experience I have. I would be curious to see exactly where the dogs hit as opposed to a general description. I wonder if that is online anywhere. I certainly would be curious. I don't think in the middle of this with her coming home and trying not to be seen and in a hurry she would have been swimming or sunbathing but that is just my opinion as is the above post.

I interpreted that the heat of the trunk would have sped up the decomposition; you always read about how dangerously hot a car can get in the summer. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me that the trunk was cooler than the ambient air temperature.

Sure, the dogs could have gotten a hit from the body soon after Caylee was killed, rather than from something that happened a week later.

Considering that almost no one would expect for Casey to be out partying while her daughter is missing (let alone dead), sunbathing doesn't see like such a stretch to me. Of course, the ladder may have zero to do with anything.

[One2Snoop]

I have wondered about Lee for awhile too. I think he is keeping it on the down low or maybe he went back to work. Does anyone know what he does for a living. I remember on Fox News he was being interviewed one time while he was walking into the jail and he said that he took a leave of absence but what he said about his job wasn't audible. I think once the murder trial is over Lee will move out of state any maybe change his name.

Browneyes - I'd posted that info at one time and I want to say he works in sales (not sure about that though) and I don't recall a company name being mentioned. I'll see if I can locate the info.

[mu8shark]

They don't need a divorce right now, but wonder what will happen in the future? When this case first came out, it was reported that there was going to be a divorce--IIRC, that would have been in 2005. For whatever reason, they did not get divorced, so would wonder if their relationship is such that it would last thru the repercussions of Casey being convicted. I think Cindy is really pushing him not only to support Casey but maybe to withold info and fudge a little. I can't be sure of that at all but a while back on my site I compared the interview George did with Greta about when he and Casey were in the garage and then the interview where he told the police about it, they are vastly different stories. On Greta he does not mention her being rude only impatient that he wanted to get the stuff from the trunk himself and on Greta he says he got it from the trunk himself or he sure indicated it, because I remember people were suspicious after that Greta interview of why he would make it a point that he got into that trunk. In the interview with the police he says Casey got into the trunk and got the gas cans herself and then shut the trunk abruptly and then cussed at him. I remember Cindy clutching his hand in that interview almost like she was squeezing it. I can somehow imagine her wanting him to indicate publicly he was in the trunk and nothing was wrong. I will find the two comparisons if I can and post here but they sure are different..

[Amy]

I would be very interested to hear after it was all said and done from the jury if they pull that stunt. And that of course being if they go for the DP. If i was ever on a jury and the defense pulled that it would tell me several things: They are desperate,probably no character witnesses-at least ones that knew her in the latter years and most of all it would make me:flamemad: Idiotic move on the defense part-even at this point. MOO:rose:

In one case, the people who testified for the defendant in the verdict phase had not been in his life for @ least 5 years. There was the little old lady down the street, talking about when he was a toddler, and one of his mother's friends who talked about when he was in high school, and maybe a couple more from the teen years, and then one college prof. He was the one who had the most recent contact, and that had been a good 5 years. IMO, they couldn't find ANYONE in his current life to stand up and say what a great guy he is--because in his current life--he wasn't.

Bet it will be the same w/Casey. Even before she went off w/Casey, according to her mom, and from what Lee says (in code) she was a liar for years. I'm waiting for all the people who have known her for @ least 3 years who are going to testify that she "changed" right after Caylee was born.

[Amy]

Maybe everyone as already seen this but it is Cindys statement following the leaked defense documents revealing it might be possible Caylee is dead from an almost certain accident. ""I feel that a good attorney will plan for the worse case scenario and hope for the best. I know that Casey's attorneys know that she is innocent, but they cannot ignore how the media has already spun the facts and convicted her.

"Casey has been severely attacked by the media since she was first arrested, and anyone would be a fool to ignore that. All of the negative spin has done her an injustice. Just look at what it has done for poor Caylee. The media already has given up on looking for this child, when there is simply no credible or concrete evidence to prove that she is dead.

"The defense and the family will never give up on looking for Caylee. We continue to believe she is alive, and so should everyone else who has a conscience. I would ask anyone to ask themselves just how quick would they stop looking for someone that they loved?"


Cindy obviously hasn't listened to the news or NG, nor read any of the docs--else she would not say there simply isn't any credible or concrete evidence. She probably doesn't read/listen just so she won't have to hear what the evidence is. She probably sticks her fingers in her ears and sings when someone is trying to tell her. IMO

[mu8shark]

I interpreted that the heat of the trunk would have sped up the decomposition; you always read about how dangerously hot a car can get in the summer. Honestly, it never would have occurred to me that the trunk was cooler than the ambient air temperature.

Sure, the dogs could have gotten a hit from the body soon after Caylee was killed, rather than from something that happened a week later.

Considering that almost no one would expect for Casey to be out partying while her daughter is missing (let alone dead), sunbathing doesn't see like such a stretch to me. Of course, the ladder may have zero to do with anything. We can absolutely agree the temperature of the trunk would have been hotter, I was not thinking about temperature but moisture. And in Florida I am sure a body outside would be subject to a lot of moisture but a closed trunk maybe not as much. It could be some kids in the neighborhood did it .

[One2Snoop]

Re: Divorce - just a refresher on the already shakey relationship between George and Cindy...

Rick you input is greatly appreciated. So many rumors and bits of speculation are floating around that to have a few 'definites' has a stabilizing, albeit ditsurbing effect.
So, Casey is just a spoiled Princess with no boundaries, who learned to lie at an early age and found out her lying would be rewarded with attention. That Cindy continues to believe the lies is startling and had she done what the therapist told her to do, Caylee would be safe at home and we would never have heard of the Anthonys. I have a few questions that you may be able to answer, if you are so inclined:
It has been reported that Cindy and George filed for divorce in 2005 and then terminated the proceedings in 2007. Know anything about this?
A couple of bankruptcies involving a Cindy and George Anthony have been uncovered. Same question.
Has Casey ever received mental health counseling?
Was Casey EVER a 'good' mother, attentive, nurtuing, loving?
Since Cindy already knew to toss her out and get custody, do you have any idea why Cindy did not report Caylee's absence long before July 15th?
If there are bits of truth to every lie of Casey's, is she 'giving clues' or just weaving tales?
Was Cindy prone to lying or making exaggerated claims before Caylee disappeared? George? Thanks for any answers.

Ricks response
Cindy filed for divorce because George had an online gambling habit that nearly ended their marriage. He ran up thousands of dollars gambling. They lost their first home from the bankrupt car lot that George second mortgaged their home on. As far as I know, Casey never was mentally evaluated. Cindy thought Casey was punishing her for the fight and thought Casey was just
holding Caylee away from see her. It took finding the car had been towed and impounded to light a fire under her **** to find her. Cindy never told her family very much unless it was exagerated because it was something good. It turns out most of
Casey's job assignments were exagerated or down right falsehoods.

http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291278

[Amy]

Surely unless Casey refrigerated or froze Caylee after her death on the 15th/16th, there just wouldn't be much left for her to submerge and wash on the 24th. She would have been pretty deteriorated by then wouldn't she? With the FL heat? Maybe the ladder is just a fluke. Or maybe Casey was working on her tan.

I dont' think Caylee's body was in any condition that Casey would have tried to do anything w/her. I think she had already put her in her final resting place.

[mu8shark]

Cindy obviously hasn't listened to the news or NG, nor read any of the docs--else she would not say there simply isn't any credible or concrete evidence. She probably doesn't read/listen just so she won't have to hear what the evidence is. She probably sticks her fingers in her ears and sings when someone is trying to tell her. IMO Yikes Amy, I thought that too, how can she say there is no credible evidence. Even if you think the body farm is too new, the mitronchrondial dna and the post mortem hair banding is pretty significant. She just is not listening with the right ears.

[One2Snoop]

Cindy obviously hasn't listened to the news or NG, nor read any of the docs--else she would not say there simply isn't any credible or concrete evidence. She probably doesn't read/listen just so she won't have to hear what the evidence is. She probably sticks her fingers in her ears and sings when someone is trying to tell her. IMO

I think you're spot on with your analysis. :beer:

[Amy]

Well, g'night One2Snoop--I think we're the only ones here right now--if not, g'night all.

Gotta go out of town tomorrow, so better sign off and get some beauty sleep. Have a good weekend.

[mu8shark]

I am going to try and summarize George's interview tomorrow and probably will put it on its own thread. I think there might be some good info in there to ponder and will do it after work. So I better hit the hay or I will want to take a nap after work instead. LOL.

[One2Snoop]

I am going to try and summarize George's interview tomorrow and probably will put it on its own thread. I think there might be some good info in there to ponder and will do it after work. So I better hit the hay or I will want to take a nap after work instead. LOL.

Awesome! I'm heading out for the night too. Night all. :seeya:

[samanthajane13]

Good night, Amy!

Have a safe trip...

[lorettalockhorn]

I had heard that as well that George did not like Baez. Was there a reason he stated as to why??

Beem, he didn't really go into his reason in the interview. Sounds like just a gut feeling:

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ANTHONY: On Sunday we had the prayer vigil type at our house. There were 15, 18 of not only a couple friends of my son`s that knows Casey and my son very well. We talked about so much stuff. What happened in the last two years? Guys, help us out. What`s going on?

Everyone kept on telling us, Casey`s a good mom, Casey, this, Casey would call her mom. Whenever she was out with Caylee, she always had to make sure Caylee was away from alcohol or someone smoking.

That`s what they told us. Now in the last two, two and a half months, these same friends that she`s had for -- since she`s been a little one. They`ve been over our house. They`ve been out of the picture.

ALLEN: Yes.

ANTHONY: Maybe she might call them, but then she tells lie upon lie upon something else to get them going in different directions.

I don`t like this freaking attorney that she has. I can tell you that right now from personal experience, I don`t like the guy. I told you that guy, I`ve become -- my daughter talked to someone when you guys initially incarcerated her.

And I guess whoever she talked to, you know, according to my daughter now, this is what Mr. Baez told me, or Jose, I`ll just call him that, says -- told, Jose Baez, I asked someone who`s a good attorney? And she has $5,000 supposedly or at least $1400 of it, to give to him as a retainer to assist.

We did not contact this man. We initially -- when he came to our -- called us, we thought the guy was a court appointed attorney. And you know, that`s what we though, because my daughter does not -- I don`t think she has any money.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/07/ng.01.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Yikes Amy, I thought that too, how can she say there is no credible evidence. Even if you think the body farm is too new, the mitronchrondial dna and the post mortem hair banding is pretty significant. She just is not listening with the right ears.

The Body Farm has been around for decades (I think Patricia Cornwell gave it that name long after inception). Just don't see how Cindy cannot find their work credible.

I am going to try and summarize George's interview tomorrow and probably will put it on its own thread. I think there might be some good info in there to ponder and will do it after work. So I better hit the hay or I will want to take a nap after work instead. LOL.

Looking forward to it. I have such a dickens of a time finding anything in archives on the Fox news site.

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Loretta for the info. Sounds like Baez appeared on Casey's coat tails and maybe George doesn't feel she is getting a good defense. Perhaps he is none to happy with all the hugging going on in light of finding out what his daughter's habits were surrounding men-Key word "were" :)

Morning! :seeya: Maybe it's been reported and I missed it or forgot; just how did Baez come to be Casey's attorney? Did she initiate the attorney client relationship? Is he an ambulance chaser? Did they know each other before this came to light?

[lorettalockhorn]

Caylee Search Command Post In Desperate Need of Supplies

The command post for the Caylee Anthony search is in desperate need of supplies. It is not even noon and they have already ran out of water and food for the search volunteers.

Tim Miller has asked me to post a request for supplies. Anything anyone could send over here would be greatly appreciated.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/caylee-search-c.html

This is good and bad; they have so many volunteers that they ran out, but most of us are too far away to help with this immediate need.

[Brainstorm]

Well, g'night One2Snoop--I think we're the only ones here right now--if not, g'night all.

Gotta go out of town tomorrow, so better sign off and get some beauty sleep. Have a good weekend.

Ive tried that many times and it just never worked for me.(beauty sleep)
lol

[lorettalockhorn]

The "Discovery" Everyone is Talking About

I was at the command center when that call came in from the search group. It was at about 11:00 a.m. My understanding was that it was not divers, but a group of students who study forensics at a local college. They found a towel or a bag - still waiting for clarification – and some bones. Law enforcement has gone out to the scene to investigate.

Now before everyone gets all excited, please keep in mind that volunteers are constantly reporting the discovery of bones....

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/the-discovery-e.html

[lorettalockhorn]

To help with the immediate need for supplies for this weekend's search, you can use PayPal or your credit card (without logging in to your PayPal account) at:

https://www.pleasefindcaylee.com/Donate.html

[applesandorange]

To help with the immediate need for supplies for this weekend's search, you can use PayPal or your credit card (without logging in to your PayPal account) at:

https://www.pleasefindcaylee.com/Donate.html


Thank you. I cannot give a lot of money but I will donate what I can. I hope they find her. :rose:

[applesandorange]

I hope after Cindy sees how many people are out there searching today she can come to grips with just how many people care about Caylee and what has happened. I hope this somehow can help her to admit the truth. George already knows and IMO is just being supportive of his wife, who he has admitted cannot handle the truth. I feel bad for G&C today. It has got to be THE WORST day of their lives. On one hand they want this to be over and for Caylee to come home on the other hand they don't want to know how this will end. Terrible, terrible situation.

[One2Snoop]

Ive tried that many times and it just never worked for me.(beauty sleep)
lol

LOL - too funny BS. :seeya:

[lorettalockhorn]

Thank you. I cannot give a lot of money but I will donate what I can. I hope they find her. :rose:

Me neither, a&o. But I hate the thought of the searchers needing something while all I have to do is get up and run to the coffeemaker or fridge. Bless 'em!

[applesandorange]

Me neither, a&o. But I hate the thought of the searchers needing something while all I have to do is get up and run to the coffeemaker or fridge. Bless 'em!


I know what you mean. If there was any way I could have gone and helped with the search I would have. I keep checking Daivd Lohrs blog for updates. I guess there aren't any yet. I am so nervous about today. I just wish they would find her. I want so badly for her to be laid to rest and this whole charade to be over with. If you hear anything new please let us know. I am cleaning the house but I will check in periodically. Thanks :rose:

[lorettalockhorn]

A representative for Equusearch confirms the bones found in Blanchard Park today were that of a pet dog that had been disposed of in a plastic bag. He said some students studying to be crime scene techinicians were able to identify the dog skeleton and law enforcement was never called out.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17929243/detail.html

[Grave Chaser]

i think a lot of Cindy's problem is that all this 'attention' is ruining the perfect little existance she's 'built' for herself. I think she's more embarassed for herself than anything and is doing as much lieing as her daughter is. Like mother, like daughter!
As for the bankruptcy, has anyone looked into C & G's financials? I mean, if they had to file in the last few years, because of the gambling problem, etc, there is no way any financial instiution would give them a loan for a house, let alone any credit cards unless it was a secured credit card. Are we sure the house is in their name or could it be jointly owned by another family member who has helped them out? Bankruptcy stays on your credit report for 10 years no matter what. Did they file chapter 7, which wipes out ALL debt or chapter 13 which reorganizes the bills and you have to pay back for a term of 3 to 5 years? Just makes me wonder how they can afford such nice stuff with blown credit.

[browneyes106]

Browneyes - I'd posted that info at one time and I want to say he works in sales (not sure about that though) and I don't recall a company name being mentioned. I'll see if I can locate the info.

Hey there. Thanks for the info I just started posting here last week. Lee seems responisble and I heard somewhere that he owns a home.

[browneyes106]

i think a lot of Cindy's problem is that all this 'attention' is ruining the perfect little existance she's 'built' for herself. I think she's more embarassed for herself than anything and is doing as much lieing as her daughter is. Like mother, like daughter!
As for the bankruptcy, has anyone looked into C & G's financials? I mean, if they had to file in the last few years, because of the gambling problem, etc, there is no way any financial instiution would give them a loan for a house, let alone any credit cards unless it was a secured credit card. Are we sure the house is in their name or could it be jointly owned by another family member who has helped them out? Bankruptcy stays on your credit report for 10 years no matter what. Did they file chapter 7, which wipes out ALL debt or chapter 13 which reorganizes the bills and you have to pay back for a term of 3 to 5 years? Just makes me wonder how they can afford such nice stuff with blown credit.


Cindy and George have a long history of financial trouble. Cindy's brother posted online that in Ohio they have had financial trouble due to the failed auto business and they lost their home in Niles, Ohio. He also posted that Cindy didn't work as a nurse until they moved to Florida. I have known a few people like them who have gambling and financial problems. People will find loopholes or ways to obtain credit cards, loans and stuff. My brother right now is married to a woman who seems to be a sociopath and there are in huge debts and somehow they have found ways to have credit cards and go vacations out of state and afford two gas hog SUV's. Maybe the Anthonys obtained credit cards or loans by lying about their pasts or using aliases. The long history of financial problems show that the Anthony's have always been dysfunctional. In some of my previous posts I have mentioned my theory that the C&G moved to Florida to put their past failures behind them such as the auto business and the window incident with George's dad.

[mu8shark]

Okay did not get to George's interview in the afternoon but am on page 18 now and will post a summary on its own thread in about an hour so people don't have to search for it if they come on tomorrow. Just a little hint of what I am reading, Cindy is really a holy terror and in the first 19 or so pages the detectives are asking George to try and talk to her about the trouble she is causing the investigation. The words holy terror are my words but boy oh boy wait to you see this. Anyhow, did not want you to think I forgot.

[mu8shark]

Ok Mu your hour is up:D Kidding. Please post the link u are reading from as i cant seem to find where this info is. I just so hope they find Caylee this weekend as we all do. It makes me so mad that Casey is probably laying in her cell with a smirk on her face since today passed with no news all the while she knows exactly where Caylee is. Here are all these folks giving up there time and monies to search and have run out of food and water. Meanwhile the princess who has barely ever worked is fed and watered at those same peoples expense :cuss: I just should not go there.:rose: Okay I just finished going through the interview it was over 60 pages long and too much interesting info to skip, so I am going to type it in a post now even though it is late but it will take me a while. You have no idea how long that darned interview is! So hopefully will have first part up in a half an hour, I had no idea it would take that long to go through it.

[applesandorange]

November 08, 2008
The Latest Developments in the Caylee Anthony Search
It was a busy day today in the search for Casey Anthony's missing daughter, 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. While we did not get the expected turnout – about 1,300 volunteers showed up – we were able to cover a lot of ground and clear over one third of the search grid.

Unfortunately, some things got a bit out of hand today when some volunteers leaked information on the Internet about some of the items that were found.

Earlier today, I attempted to clear up the details about the team of forensic students that made a find near Jay Blanchard Park. There was initially a bit of confusion over that because there were several finds made in the park today.

Some bones, which have since been identified as dog bones, were found near a lake. Another set of bones, found with what appeared to be internal organs, were also found; however it is my understanding that they are also believed to be animal bones.

At about the same time those items were found, the team of forensic students, along with another group of volunteers, found a pair of children's underwear, a plastic bag with shoes, a rubber glove and a machete discarded in the weeds. I am being very specific about these items because one of the volunteers has already leaked the information on another message board.

I arrived on the scene shortly after the second find and I was there when the CSI's came in to examine the items. To clarify what some other boards are reporting, the shoes were men's – I think size 9 - and the children's undergarments that were found were identified as boys underwear. The machete was rusty and appeared to have been in the weeds for some time. Last time we were in this area – during the Aug.-Sept. search – this particular area was under several feet of water. At any rate, none of the items are believed to be related to the case.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of chatter and rumors about a cross necklace that was found in the woods. I have been aware of this find but was asked not to share the information. That information got leaked by a blogger on another site today and it has since been twisted into several different versions.

Yes, a cross was found hanging on a tree branch. No, it was not found today, it was found during the first search effort. The information has been carefully guarded because we were not sure of the significance of the find. It was not a store bought necklace, but a craft item that someone had made out of plastic and beads. What made the find interesting was that the beads, according to Leonard Padilla, were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewlery that Casey had allegedly made. Is it related to the case? Unknown. I saw a photo of the cross today but unfortunately that is the only thing they have. The cross was left on the branch and, according to Rob Dick, disappeared shortly thereafter.

My understanding is that a second cross was found today – I am not sure if it was a jewelry item or marker – but law enforcement has since discovered that it had been placed in the area by the family of a murder victim. It is unrelated to the case.

It is unfortunate that the cross information has been leaked. I had not planned on discussing it like this, but felt that it is necessary to clarify the information.

Sadly, there are some volunteers that are not here for Caylee, but who are here so that they can post messages on the Internet about all of the items that are found during the search. As a result, many of these people have been banned from joining in the search effort.

Whenever I am on the scene I am very careful in what I report. I am often privy to many details; however I do not post anything without first getting it cleared. I walk a fine line, giving you all of the information I can without compromising the case or the trust that I have earned.

That being said, EquuSearch remains in need of volunteers to come join the search effort. Anyone interested should come to the command center, which is located in Orlando, at the SE corner of Judge and Shadowridge. The command post is also in desperate need of supplies for the volunteers.

I will be back on the scene again tomorrow brining you all the latest developments.

[BentNotBroken]

For doing the summary. I didnt want to write in your post and spoil the flow :seeya: I started reading the transcripts but man o man the writing was so small I kept going cross eyed. So, good on you for going to the trouble and summarizing it, you are a real sport :beer::rose:

[mu8shark]

For doing the summary. I didnt want to write in your post and spoil the flow :seeya: I started reading the transcripts but man o man the writing was so small I kept going cross eyed. So, good on you for going to the trouble and summarizing it, you are a real sport :beer::rose: The interview summary is now posted in full so if anyone wants to post on that thread it is fine as I got it all in before anyone posted. I have posted my comments on the interview on that thread . I think a lot of it is telling. I think old George is in hell really.

[sharlock]

The conversation in the transcript from your link above is a bit sketchy and George does not give alot of facts. I am surmising at this point Baez jumped on a high profile case as many do. We may never know the truth if Casey had anything to do with it unless Baez says how he got on board. Very interested as to why George doesn't like him.
When I was reading George's comments I felt that he was trying to express to the officers some of his concerns and fears, and relate his reasons for feeling that way. That's why he mentioned the car chase the shed incident and the fact that he doesn't know how she got Baez for a lawyer. To me it indicated that George felt she might have looked for a lawyer prior to being arrested confirming his reason to fear. The mention of the lying about money was his way of trying to explain to the officers what kind of woman they were dealing with and I can understand that because of personal experiences I have felt the need to give hints and clues about a family members real personality and behaviour as you come to realise that these sorts of people quite often can convince others that they are the sane ones and the family are the mad ones. It would be such a hard position for Casey's parents to be in. I tend to think that people are far more lenient on George simply because he has kept his mouth shut more than Cindy and that seems unfair to me. They both have doubted their daughter, they both have come to realise that Caylee was likely dead, they both have then convinced themselves that this could not be true as their daughter loved her child and even Caseys freinds expressed that belief and difficulty believing that Casey would purposely harm her. I don't care if my son was 50yrs old, I would always feel the love that I did for the child that I had at his most sweet and innocent, I would have difficulty coming to terms with the fact he might have done something so heinous and I would fight tooth and nail to try and convince others he was the wonderful child I loved. IMO the hardships and fights within the Anthony household don't seem that much more terrible than any other home I know, so, I don't get the people who say Cindy should burn for raising her wrong, it all seems rather harsh to me. Everything points to grandparents who loved Caylee and provided for her the absolute best they could. JMHO

[One2Snoop]

When I was reading George's comments I felt that he was trying to express to the officers some of his concerns and fears, and relate his reasons for feeling that way. That's why he mentioned the car chase the shed incident and the fact that he doesn't know how she got Baez for a lawyer. To me it indicated that George felt she might have looked for a lawyer prior to being arrested confirming his reason to fear. The mention of the lying about money was his way of trying to explain to the officers what kind of woman they were dealing with and I can understand that because of personal experiences I have felt the need to give hints and clues about a family members real personality and behaviour as you come to realise that these sorts of people quite often can convince others that they are the sane ones and the family are the mad ones. It would be such a hard position for Casey's parents to be in. I tend to think that people are far more lenient on George simply because he has kept his mouth shut more than Cindy and that seems unfair to me. They both have doubted their daughter, they both have come to realise that Caylee was likely dead, they both have then convinced themselves that this could not be true as their daughter loved her child and even Caseys freinds expressed that belief and difficulty believing that Casey would purposely harm her. I don't care if my son was 50yrs old, I would always feel the love that I did for the child that I had at his most sweet and innocent, I would have difficulty coming to terms with the fact he might have done something so heinous and I would fight tooth and nail to try and convince others he was the wonderful child I loved. IMO the hardships and fights within the Anthony household don't seem that much more terrible than any other home I know, so, I don't get the people who say Cindy should burn for raising her wrong, it all seems rather harsh to me. Everything points to grandparents who loved Caylee and provided for her the absolute best they could. JMHO

I agree with you for the most part Sharlock -and of course I mean no disrespect on the parts I disagree on,,,

What you've posted above makes me think even more that Caylee's death was an accident- why in god's name Casey feels the need to keep that to herself is beyond me - If Baez has promised her freedom for her silence he's sadly mistaken IMO - in this day and age those sorts of cases just don't happen anymore - I seriously believe this has turnd into a game for Baez and he thinks he can win this hands down -:no:

Sorry Mr. Baez but the state has very strong forensic evidence of a dead body in the back of Casey's car - better yet, the strand of hair found in the trunk belonged to Caylee - it also showed a death band in the hair strand - something you typically don't find in a normal human being's every day life.
Many thanks to the body farm for your extensive investigations.

I'm patiently waiting for Baez to explain all of the above -
Just my 2 cents :read:

[sharlock]

I agree with you for the most part Sharlock -and of course I mean no disrespect on the parts I disagree on,,,

What you've posted above makes me think even more that Caylee's death was an accident- why in god's name Casey feels the need to keep that to herself is beyond me - If Baez has promised her freedom for her silence he's sadly mistaken IMO - in this day and age those sorts of cases just don't happen anymore - I seriously believe this has turnd into a game for Baez and he thinks he can win this hands down -:no:

Sorry Mr. Baez but the state has very strong forensic evidence of a dead body in the back of Casey's car - better yet, the strand of hair found in the trunk belonged to Caylee - it also showed a death band in the hair strand - something you typically don't find in a normal human being's every day life.
Many thanks to the body farm for your extensive investigations.

I'm patiently waiting for Baez to explain all of the above -
Just my 2 cents :read:
Hey One2snoop,
I don't mind if you disagree I'd actually love to hear more on your point of view because when you're outside of a situation looking in and can be easy to assosciate certain things to your own personal experiences and I am the first to admit that I am guilty of this.
For egs. I think Casey did hurt Caylee on purpose, but, regretted it as soon as she did it more and more; as she realised the possibility of her getting away with it was not as realistic as it might have seemed to her at the time. And, that she did it out of anger and spite pure and simple. I feel that way because of my own experiences with someone who I think is just like her. I read the psych reports in some of the case related articles and think to myself OMG I know that person (thinking of my relation of course not Casey). I have had times where I feared so much that she might hurt her kids out of spite (as she herself had threatened to do) that I spoke to the childrens Dad and was one hairbreadth away from calling the police in; but thankfully the Dad who is separated stepped up and helped. The thing is this woman I know is a really fun, beautiful and enjoyable person to be around the majority of the time. She was also a loving mum. But! she has issues with her family and she is full of anger spite and rage towards us. She blames us for her life not going well and she needs to have someone to vent that internal rage or she goes absolutlely psychotic and crashes cars gets off her face and is just plain out of control. That rage turns towards her children as well (funnily though one child more than the other- the one that reminds her of herself more in my opinion) occasionally. She is so irrational and scary even evil in these rages that mostly occur if she has been rejected by a boyfreind you would think it would be easy to get her help but the opposite is true. She is cunning and smart, she lies so easily and has people beleiving that she is the sane one. The police have even tried to do something to force her to get help but they have not succeeded. The only people that believe and truly understand are the ones who have been attacked by her but if you play nice with her and act like she didn't do anything wrong she can decide to like you again but if you don't she will threaten you with calling your work to get you fired trying to get you in trouble with the police ( she once told them I had kidnapped her daughter when the truth was she kicked her out of the house) and it just goes on and on. The weird thing is I love her and remember when she was the person in the world I most admired so I wanted to forgive and her and did way too many times. Funnily enough after these dangerous rages she will usually disappear for a few days then return as if nothing happened. Those who didn't see the rage would have no reason to suspect that there had been anything wrong.
Sorry about the drawn out post; long story short I could be very wrong about Casey and just be relating to her family and this situation in a particular way because I can relate it to my own personal experiences and feel great empathy towards their family.
I also agree with you about Baez 100%. IMO Casey needed a dose of reality and he seems instead to go along with her fantasy to her won detriment.
I would prefer to keep an open mind and look at it through other view points which is why I enjoy your and others posts so much!

[merker]

Bottled water, soda and food needed for Caylee Searchers Today and Monday!

Post #65
"Sweetwater Springs Bottled Water
http://sweetwaterspringsbottledwater.com/
Will deliver tomorrow morning. For $75 I got 11 cases sent."

For more vendors see post #54 and # 65 :
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74622&page=3

Send to:
TES Command Center
Shadowridge Dr & Judge Rd, Orlando, FL 32818
(SE Corner)
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[merker]

Hello, people. I just got back from searching. The underbrush was incredibly thick. Some people on our team had machetes. If you go tomorrow, I recommend you bring one if you know how to handle it. Also, wear a pair of gloves, even cotton garden gloves work fine, and long pants. They said at first no one wearing capris could search but they backed down on that. You also need a hat because the little burrs get stuck in your hair and are hard to pull out. There are some bug repellent wipes you can buy at Publix. I used them on my legs and didn't get any chigger bites and I was really deep into blackberry bushes so the repellent must be very effective. We were afraid of seeing a lot of snakes but never saw any. e were making so much noise trying to get through the brush, we probably scared them off. There was also at least one big gator in the pond that we had to search around. He pretty much was easy to keep an eye out for. He stayed in the middle of the pond while we walked around the perimeter.
It is hot so carry your own water. The team leaders have extra water and there is water at the command post, and even a truck came by and gave us some, but it's best to keep a few bottles in a backpack or fanny pack or even your back pocket.
You also need snacks like trail mix or apples or something for when you get a break. You will be gone from the command post for a minimum of three hours at a stretch (our team was out six hours) and you might get weak or hungry if you don't eat all that time. While we were waiting for another team to come out of the woods, an ice cream truck came by and we flagged him down. He made a killing! It was a good day but our team didn't find anything significant. We searched three areas near the intersection of Lee Vista Blvd and Narcoossee Road. We had two teams of ten working together, plus 2 team leaders per team, 2 CSI per team, and a lead CSI. The CSI were some girls from Palm Beach Community College who are studying forensics. Our team leaders were one federal agent trained in search and rescue and one local land surveyor who is familiar with the terrain. The other team had two search and rescue guys from a federal agency and from the military. They were from out of state. They were given extra training and received the maps with the areas we were assigned to search. There is a strict signing in and out procedure. We had two briefings but they were bare bones. Essentially, just don't touch anything, just call the CSI person if you find something and the would make note of its GPS coordinates and call it in and also, what to look for was anything out of the ordinary for that environment. It was hard where we were searching because there was a 7/Eleven right there and in the woods behind it and across the street where we searched, the woods were full of homeless people's camps. So there was a lot of stuff that was out of the ordinary for woods, but not out of the ordinary for a camp in the woods, know what I mean? Time wise, I arrived at the Command Post at 7 am, signed in, was assigned to a team, went out in the field (they had vans and buses, our team was given vans to use for the day) and returned to the command post at 1:25. Oh, and by the way, I never saw M*rt but I was not looking for him. Tim Miller passed by me once, Mandy Albritton came over to where the teams were staging to clarify some misinformation, and Leonard Padilla I saw from the van window as he was giving a media interview and we were leaving to go out to the field. Other than that, I did not get the opportunity to rub elbows with the rich and famous.It was a good day. I recommend it if anyone else wants to try it.
I forgot to tell you guys if you go search tomorrow something very important to bring with you is a stick. You need it to separate the brush in front of you as you walk. Most of the people I saw just had mop handles. I didn't know to bring one but I went back to my car and took down that rod that you hang clothes on when you go on a trip. It worked great because it was telescopic and I could adjust it to just the perfect height!
Thanks to all of you who wished me well. It was my pleasure to go and had an enjoyable day with some very nice and caring folks.
Where Is Caylee?

[browneyes106]

I said a prayer earlier this morning for the searchers and search today. Everyday brings Shope that Caylee will be found and can rest in peace. I never knew about Texas EquuSearch until Caylee. I applaud Tim Miller for rising above his own pain and helping others. I read on Wikipedia that TES was profiled on Dateline back in February. Did anyone watch the show?

[lorettalockhorn]

browneyes, found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkQ10zKh4S0

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5B0t2cyGzs&feature=related

[browneyes106]

browneyes, found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkQ10zKh4S0

and this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5B0t2cyGzs&feature=related

Thanks for the links.

[applesandorange]

Caylee Anthony Search Update; Day 2
The search for Casey Anthony's missing two-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, continues today in Orlando, Florida.

The number of volunteers who showed up today was significantly less than the turn out we had yesterday. As of 10:30 a.m., only about 300 people have showed up. In addition, the 500 bounty hunters that were supposed to volunteer have yet to make an appearance.

Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter from California who helped bail Anthony out, brought a group of about five people with him. Yesterday, Padilla spent the majority of the day at the command center. Today, he was present for the search briefing and then left with his entourage to assist in the search effort.

At the briefing this morning, Richard Grund, the father of Anthony's former fiancée, Jessie Grund, addressed the crowd of volunteers and offered his prayers and support. Watch the video here.

The volunteers who did show up today are being dispatched to the remaining areas of interest. Several ATV teams have been sent out and an airboat, equipped with side-scan sonar, is also out searching area waterways.

The Tri County chapter of BACA (Bikers Against Child Abuse) is expected to show up sometime this afternoon to assist with crowd control and security.

Volunteers are asked to come to the command center, located at the corner of Judge and Shadowridge, SE Corner, Orlando, FL. Click here for map.

In related news, I would like to personally thank everyone who has helped out during the search effort. Yesterday, I posted an urgent update, requesting supplies at the command center. EquuSearch was in desperate need of food and water for the volunteers. Many readers of this blog offered their help, including a group called "Caylee's Angels", who sent bottled water and Gatorade by Taxi from California yesterday. Tim Miller's Executive Assistant, Barbie Tarr, was amazed the response of my readers. "They truly are Caylee's Angels," she said.

Keep checking back for all the latest developments!


It doesn't sound too hopefull IMO. This depresses me. I so wanted them to find Caylee this weekend. I still hope they do but I'm not as positive as I was. What happened to the 8000 people who were supposed to search? What happened to the 3000 people? What happened to the bounty hunters that LP promised? WHY have all these people not shown up? Makes me sad to think so many people gave their word and backed out. :rose: for Caylee

[browneyes106]

Caylee Anthony Search Update; Day 2
The search for Casey Anthony's missing two-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, continues today in Orlando, Florida.

The number of volunteers who showed up today was significantly less than the turn out we had yesterday. As of 10:30 a.m., only about 300 people have showed up. In addition, the 500 bounty hunters that were supposed to volunteer have yet to make an appearance.

Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter from California who helped bail Anthony out, brought a group of about five people with him. Yesterday, Padilla spent the majority of the day at the command center. Today, he was present for the search briefing and then left with his entourage to assist in the search effort.

At the briefing this morning, Richard Grund, the father of Anthony's former fiancée, Jessie Grund, addressed the crowd of volunteers and offered his prayers and support. Watch the video here.

The volunteers who did show up today are being dispatched to the remaining areas of interest. Several ATV teams have been sent out and an airboat, equipped with side-scan sonar, is also out searching area waterways.

The Tri County chapter of BACA (Bikers Against Child Abuse) is expected to show up sometime this afternoon to assist with crowd control and security.

Volunteers are asked to come to the command center, located at the corner of Judge and Shadowridge, SE Corner, Orlando, FL. Click here for map.

In related news, I would like to personally thank everyone who has helped out during the search effort. Yesterday, I posted an urgent update, requesting supplies at the command center. EquuSearch was in desperate need of food and water for the volunteers. Many readers of this blog offered their help, including a group called "Caylee's Angels", who sent bottled water and Gatorade by Taxi from California yesterday. Tim Miller's Executive Assistant, Barbie Tarr, was amazed the response of my readers. "They truly are Caylee's Angels," she said.

Keep checking back for all the latest developments!


It doesn't sound too hopefull IMO. This depresses me. I so wanted them to find Caylee this weekend. I still hope they do but I'm not as positive as I was. What happened to the 8000 people who were supposed to search? What happened to the 3000 people? What happened to the bounty hunters that LP promised? WHY have all these people not shown up? Makes me sad to think so many people gave their word and backed out. :rose: for Caylee


I think the reason the number of volunteers dwindled down was because on NG, and other articles there were concerns about organization and the possibility of volunteers stepping over evidence. I remember on NG it was mentioned that they were asking former cops and people with military training to volunteer to lead people who didn't have search experience. Maybe people were discouraged and dropped out of the search. I can't believe the bounty hunters didn't show up. I don't know if Leonard can be be blamed maybe people didn't keep their promises to him. If nothing is found today. I hope tommorow night's NG focuses on how the search went. I do wonder if Leonard will appear on the show if Caylee isn't found.

[Justice Denied?]

Sounds as though George might be moving towards acceptance that Caylee is gone. Cindy will probably never accept it. Here is hoping we get some news this weekend with the search. And i agree i wish Nancy would take a chill pill before she totally ruins her show. I hate to see it become a scream fest for ratings like "The View" MOO:rose::rose:

Someone made the comment that Nancy neededa vacation. Is everyone aware that one of the last times NG was off, she was in court in a wrongful death suit. Trenton Duckett's mother committed suicide and her parents sued NG because she had been very hard on her when she was on the show. I think it settled out of court but not sure.

[Justice Denied?]

I don't see how showing pictures of Casey when she was a baby/young girl is supposed to help the defense? :shrug: I'm sure various other murderers appeared normal in theirs.

ITA. The one thing it makes me realize is CAYLEE will never get any older than almost three. She'll never have another birthday or Christmas or anything and its Casey's fault. That would be enough for me to vote the death penalty.

However, the idea of Casey growing old in prison pleases me. No men, no shopping, no booze and partying. And every year a few more wrinkles and gray hair.

And she will live mostly in her head as she'll be segregated. Sounds fair to me with all the stories she has made up.

[Woostock]

I know what you mean. We will all be disappointed if nothing is found. However, we have to realize that Casey had 30 days before it was determined that Caylee was missing. That just infuriates me and I am sure others feel the same way. My positive thoughts and wishes are with the searchers.....
Where is Caylee??????

[samanthajane13]

Give me 15 minutes ALONE with her...

[Woostock]

In some ways spending the rest of her life in prison with no chance of parole may be more of a punishment. Every day the same old, same old until she dies. It never ceases to amaze me that she thought her falsehood about the nanny would fly. I guess she was used to lying so much and getting away with it that she thought she'd get away with another lie. It was just second nature for her to lie. I once talked to a counselor about children who lie and he told me that one needs to consistently deal with the lie and let the child know that lies will not be tolerated. He said if parents are not consistent and let lies slide, the kids become adult liars. He said it's a lot of work on the parents part but the alternative is much worse.

[Johnielee333]

Love, Prayers & A Rose for Caylee ! :rose:
You will never be forgotten ! :rose:
We Love you Caylee ! :rose:

[One2Snoop]

*Update*
November 9, 2008
Re: Caylee Anthony Search is Over
I have just been informed that EquuSearch has decided to continue to search for Caylee Anthony tomorrow while they break down the command center for the North Carolina trip. Volunteers are still welcome and encouraged to come out and look for Caylee during that time.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/re-caylee-antho.html


November 9, 2008
Caylee Anthony Search is Over

The search for Casey Anthony's missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, has been suspended. According to Tim Miller, he has done everything in his power to locate Caylee and there is nothing more he can do.

"I don't think Caylee will ever be found," Miller told Investigation Discovery. "We have done all that we can do. We have thoroughly searched every inch of the targeted areas. Unfortunately, there is only one person who can bring this to an end and she's not talking."

It is unfortunate that the search for Caylee is over; however without any new leads or information there is little more that can be done. Everyone here is sad to be leaving – may hugs and tears have been exchanged – but in the end we all know that they put their best foot forward. Perhaps in the future something new will come of this case. In the mean time, Caylee will remain on our thoughts and in our hearts.

Meanwhile, Texas EquuSearch will be breaking down the command post tomorrow, at which time they will head to North Carolina to conduct joint searches for Kelly Currin Morris, Jennifer Rivkin, Mouy Tang and Jamie Michelle Fraley.

Jamie Michelle Fraley, 22, was last seen on April 8, 2008, at her apartment on Lowell Bethesda Rd in Gastonia, North Carolina. She has not been seen or heard from since.

Kelly Currin Morris, 28, is a mother of two who went missing from her Stem, N.C., home on Sept. 3, 2008.

Mouy Tang, 45, was last seen on Sept. 3, 2008. She was living in an assisted living home for when she reportedly got up and walked away. Mouy is in need of her diabetic medicine, which she is supposed to take four times a day.

Jennifer Rivkin, 43, was last seen on May 4, 2008. Her car was found at The Winners Circle Bar and Grill with her purse, drivers license and make-up bag in it.

I feel terrible that there was no resolution to the Caylee search this weekend. I wish I could have brought you better news today, but that was not to be. This is one of those cases that will continue to haunt me.

*UPDATE* - Tim is now saying the search might continue again in the future. It is unknown if or when that might happen.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/caylee-anthon-4.html

[applesandorange]

*Update*
November 9, 2008
Re: Caylee Anthony Search is Over
I have just been informed that EquuSearch has decided to continue to search for Caylee Anthony tomorrow while they break down the command center for the North Carolina trip. Volunteers are still welcome and encouraged to come out and look for Caylee during that time.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/re-caylee-antho.html


November 9, 2008
Caylee Anthony Search is Over

The search for Casey Anthony's missing 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Anthony, has been suspended. According to Tim Miller, he has done everything in his power to locate Caylee and there is nothing more he can do.

"I don't think Caylee will ever be found," Miller told Investigation Discovery. "We have done all that we can do. We have thoroughly searched every inch of the targeted areas. Unfortunately, there is only one person who can bring this to an end and she's not talking."

It is unfortunate that the search for Caylee is over; however without any new leads or information there is little more that can be done. Everyone here is sad to be leaving – may hugs and tears have been exchanged – but in the end we all know that they put their best foot forward. Perhaps in the future something new will come of this case. In the mean time, Caylee will remain on our thoughts and in our hearts.

Meanwhile, Texas EquuSearch will be breaking down the command post tomorrow, at which time they will head to North Carolina to conduct joint searches for Kelly Currin Morris, Jennifer Rivkin, Mouy Tang and Jamie Michelle Fraley.

Jamie Michelle Fraley, 22, was last seen on April 8, 2008, at her apartment on Lowell Bethesda Rd in Gastonia, North Carolina. She has not been seen or heard from since.

Kelly Currin Morris, 28, is a mother of two who went missing from her Stem, N.C., home on Sept. 3, 2008.

Mouy Tang, 45, was last seen on Sept. 3, 2008. She was living in an assisted living home for when she reportedly got up and walked away. Mouy is in need of her diabetic medicine, which she is supposed to take four times a day.

Jennifer Rivkin, 43, was last seen on May 4, 2008. Her car was found at The Winners Circle Bar and Grill with her purse, drivers license and make-up bag in it.

I feel terrible that there was no resolution to the Caylee search this weekend. I wish I could have brought you better news today, but that was not to be. This is one of those cases that will continue to haunt me.

*UPDATE* - Tim is now saying the search might continue again in the future. It is unknown if or when that might happen.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/caylee-anthon-4.html


So disappointing. I wonder if that cross they had found the first time hanging on a tree was of signifigance. I wonder if she is buried around the tree or something. I guess not.... This is a sad day. Now Cindy can go on with her beliefs that Caylee is still alive and George will continue to live in hell. I wish there were closure but there just isn't. How sad.

[TOEJAM]

that is sad news, hopefully someone will come forward with some new information in the future. did TES have cadaver dogs with them for this search?

[lorettalockhorn]

Someone made the comment that Nancy neededa vacation. Is everyone aware that one of the last times NG was off, she was in court in a wrongful death suit. Trenton Duckett's mother committed suicide and her parents sued NG because she had been very hard on her when she was on the show. I think it settled out of court but not sure.

I wondered about the Duckett case too, and found this from August:

http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/11024/JayPaul-Deratany-lawyer-interview.html

NG is described her as "the combative crime show host", and agree. It's hard for me to believe that anyone agrees to talk to her without that in mind.

(I read somewhere that some porno pix of Melinda had surfaced and there was some speculation that her possible involvement in the porn industry might have had something to do with Trenton's disappearance.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes i am torn as well-i am kinda liking the thoughts of her rotting in a cell wearing her granny panties,tube sox and eating tube steak. Works for me.:shrug:

:eek:

[browneyes106]

I will still pray that Caylee is found. I will continue to make donations to TES. I will also keep the other TES searches in my prayers.

[Spider]

Lurker and new comer to the board here. Greetings eveyone, I am Spider and would love to thank you guys for the ownderful info these boards offer.

I too am terribly disappointed Caylee was not found.

IMO....and my wonderings...I wonder if the ONLY thing Casey is not lying about is the fact that she really does NOT know where Caylee is. If she has someone on the outside that moved the body, maybe even more than once than she really may not know where the body of the baby she murdered is. In a conversation with Lee, a cryptic sounding one, she said she "felt she was close". IMO it says she knows the evidence was moved but she does not know to where.

Another thing that bothers me is Geroge. Being ex-LE did he really believe that everything he said to the LE would be "kept between them"? I wonder what Crazy Cindy thinks of the things he said about her to them that have now been released.

This trial will be a circus. Casey will be so excited to have the spotlight and maybe even be on TV more. I tend to agree with many here that a life of solitary confinement and a fat filled diet of fried fatback and water every now and them would be better punishment than death. Also, at least once a week they should show her pictures of her ex-friends and how happy they are in their lives. Maybe a couple of ten minute videos at Chistmas of all of her friends partying and living the high life. Nothing else. No books. No writing materials. Just fatback and water. All of these things should be slid under the door except for the ten minute Christmas video that should be played on all sides of her prison cell. She is a piece of work. Reminds of my husbands exd-wife. Thankfully we got custody of his daughter YEARS ago becaue the judge was smart enough to read through the lies she tried to spin. OH, she was good, great even, but not good enough for that judge.

Oh, and George should file for divorce as soon as possible and get therapy. Lots of it.

Where oh where is Lee?

[browneyes106]

Lurker and new comer to the board here. Greetings eveyone, I am Spider and would love to thank you guys for the ownderful info these boards offer.

I too am terribly disappointed Caylee was not found.

IMO....and my wonderings...I wonder if the ONLY thing Casey is not lying about is the fact that she really does NOT know where Caylee is. If she has someone on the outside that moved the body, maybe even more than once than she really may not know where the body of the baby she murdered is. In a conversation with Lee, a cryptic sounding one, she said she "felt she was close". IMO it says she knows the evidence was moved but she does not know to where.

Another thing that bothers me is Geroge. Being ex-LE did he really believe that everything he said to the LE would be "kept between them"? I wonder what Crazy Cindy thinks of the things he said about her to them that have now been released.

This trial will be a circus. Casey will be so excited to have the spotlight and maybe even be on TV more. I tend to agree with many here that a life of solitary confinement and a fat filled diet of fried fatback and water every now and them would be better punishment than death. Also, at least once a week they should show her pictures of her ex-friends and how happy they are in their lives. Maybe a couple of ten minute videos at Chistmas of all of her friends partying and living the high life. Nothing else. No books. No writing materials. Just fatback and water. All of these things should be slid under the door except for the ten minute Christmas video that should be played on all sides of her prison cell. She is a piece of work. Reminds of my husbands exd-wife. Thankfully we got custody of his daughter YEARS ago becaue the judge was smart enough to read through the lies she tried to spin. OH, she was good, great even, but not good enough for that judge.

Oh, and George should file for divorce as soon as possible and get therapy. Lots of it.

Where oh where is Lee?

Hi Spider welcome to the boards. I just started posting here last week. I have wondered the same thing about Casey having someone else move Caylee around. I think George is probably confused and worried at this point that maybe he thought his interviews would never be released. I agree about the jail officials showing Casey pictures of all her ex friends living happy lives and they should show her videos of kids that are the same age as Caylee playing outside and doing things with their parents. The trial will be a media circus. I think once it is over divorce will happen and Lee will move away out of state.

[One2Snoop]

Why don't these people call the police ASAP instead of the Anthony tipline if they think they've seen Caylee? :confused:

Equusearch To Leave Monday Without Sign Of Caylee
Head Of Search Team Doubts Remains Will Ever Be Found

POSTED: 7:34 pm EST November 9, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- After a long weekend of searching for 3-year-old Caylee Anthony, Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch said the decision to leave breaks his heart.

But there are other families of missing people who need their resources.

Meanwhile grandmother Cindy Anthony said they responded to a live sighting of Caylee early Sunday morning.

A dejected Miller said his Texas Equusearch has spent nearly $100,000 on the search for Caylee. This weekend's search drew more than 2,000 volunteers. Now there are four families in North Carolina who need their help.

"Conditions are good, we've covered a lot of ground," Miller said. "Tomorrow we're taking off for North Carolina."

"They just haven't found anything," Cindy Anthony said. "Discouraging for them but encouraging for us."

Overnight, Cindy Anthony said she and her husband, George, drove to Gainesville to follow up on a possible Caylee sighting.

"They saw a little girl with a gentleman shopping in a store, gave us a call and said, 'I think you need to check this out,'" she said.

The Anthonys said they could not tell the child's identity from a store security video, but they hope to find out on Monday.

"It breaks our heart to leave again without finding Caylee," Miller said.

Miller said he doubts Caylee's remains will ever be found, unless Casey Anthony comes out with more information.

"No way in the world will I ever believe Caylee is alive, but I will support the Anthonys in anything they're going to do," Miller said.

Cindy Anthony also commented on what WESH 2 News first reported on Thursday -- that the state is doubtful they have enough aggravating factors to go for the death penalty against Casey Anthony.

The state attorney's office said the death penalty is not off the table. But they said they do doubt they have enough aggravating factors to pursue a death sentence as the case stands now.

A judge is set to have a hearing on a sweeping gag order on Monday.

That gag order includes the Anthonys. Cindy Anthony said their attorney will argue against the gag order, saying it's an unfair restriction on their right to free speech.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17943280/detail.html

[Justice Denied?]

The interview summary is now posted in full so if anyone wants to post on that thread it is fine as I got it all in before anyone posted. I have posted my comments on the interview on that thread . I think a lot of it is telling. I think old George is in hell really.

Please tell me how to get to these threads. Would like to read the summary.

[One2Snoop]

Please tell me how to get to these threads. Would like to read the summary.

It's the thread just below this one on the Caylee Anthony index page...

mu8's summary thread
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?t=291610

Index link
http://boards.crimelibrary.com/forumdisplay.php?f=496

[lorettalockhorn]

Why don't these people call the police ASAP instead of the Anthony tipline if they think they've seen Caylee? :confused:

Confused here too. "They" (the store?) called G&C directly? Or Gainesville PD called them?

[One2Snoop]

Confused here too. "They" (the store?) called G&C directly? Or Gainesville PD called them?

I guess I took it to mean the person who possibly sighted Caylee called the Anthony tipline, but my guess could be wrong - not sure about the police. :shrug:

[Justice Denied?]

I wondered about the Duckett case too, and found this from August:

http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/articles/11024/JayPaul-Deratany-lawyer-interview.html

NG is described her as "the combative crime show host", and agree. It's hard for me to believe that anyone agrees to talk to her without that in mind.

(I read somewhere that some porno pix of Melinda had surfaced and there was some speculation that her possible involvement in the porn industry might have had something to do with Trenton's disappearance.)

Loretta,

Thanks so much for the update. That case has bothered me almost as much as Caylee.

[lorettalockhorn]

I guess I took it to mean the person who possibly sighted Caylee called the Anthony tipline, but my guess could be wrong - not sure about the police. :shrug:

Duh me. :punch: That makes perfect sense. Well, except it would make more sense for them to have called 911 so that LE could come immediately to the store and ID the child.

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta,

Thanks so much for the update. That case has bothered me almost as much as Caylee.

You're very welcome. This is the recent link about the pix:

http://www.local6.com/news/10322224/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

You're very welcome. This is the recent link about the pix:

http://www.local6.com/news/10322224/detail.html

I should say it was recently posted on the update page (but it's dated '06). I don't remember reading any of this.

[Justice Denied?]

You're very welcome. This is the recent link about the pix:

http://www.local6.com/news/10322224/detail.html

Thanks. I appreciate the update. There was a lot there we will never know. However, I always figured she fed that baby to the gators.

I am also afraid that this case may be about the same. Kaylee will never be found, Casey will never talk. She will be convicted and go away for lif and that will be the end of it. I hope not but it is leaning that way.

[lighthousedazy]

Thanks. I appreciate the update. There was a lot there we will never know. However, I always figured she fed that baby to the gators.

I am also afraid that this case may be about the same. Kaylee will never be found, Casey will never talk. She will be convicted and go away for lif and that will be the end of it. I hope not but it is leaning that way.Sadly, Justice I agree with you. It would be nice if Caylee and Trenton were alive, if not these angels are in heaven and their moms will burn in hades for what they have done. imo :rose: :rose:

[mu8shark]

hi guys not many people left this late. I am so disappointed they did not find Caylee. I can hear Cindy now saying See, see Casey will win mother of the year. I kind of hope they get the gag order. I for one think Cindy is a demon. And I am tired of hearing her mouth and her lies. I am not sure I can be so specific as to say she raised a murderer but from that interview of George's she is one of the most spiteful and controlling woman I have ever heard of. I find it disgusting that in the middle of all this she tried to get LE to follow only her leads or she would quote, Make all kinds of trouble for them. It is so clear in the police interview that even George knows she is being unreasonable. If you read that one quote about how George can;t believe how his wife is treating LE, it just makes you wonder. I know I may take heat for this because some just see her as a concerned Grandmother who is in denial but I think she cares only about getting Casey off at this point and she will do anything to lead them in the wrong direction. When George tells her that they have to tell anything they know or else they could be brought up on charges and she says No George, i am going to do my own investigation, that is so telling to me. And come on how ignorant is that, her husband was a cop and Cindy has to know she has no access to peoples phone records, bank records, no way to realistically tail them, in short no real way to investigate, all she wants now is to get Casey off., It may be harsh but I think she is a witch and not Glenda the good witch. I feel bad for George.

[One2Snoop]

I cant imagine what this is like for Tim and his team. No wonder he alway's looks so exhausted. The emotions must be so draining. I guess i am just trying to switch gears here. I also symphathize with LE who have a tough job. Then they are left to deal with the likes of Cindy-slamming them publicly and threatening them when all they want is to find Caylee. She was never any help to them. I would be sleeping on their doorstep doing whatever i could to help-not hinder. Wasting time chasing down her psychic leads no less. I understand that is her daughter and if she wanted to support her and stand by her then do so. If her main mission is to just get her off (not that it will happen) Does she not even have a human gut instinct? Does she not look beyond in her mind how she would deal with Casey,what if she had another child etc???? We had the Bernardo/Holmoko case up here. Tragedy and wonderful to know this nut bar is now a mother. I am not sure who was sicker-Karla or Paul. Maybe Cindy has the crusador syndrome-I can fix her!!! Well knock yourself out Cindy cuz if ya can fix Casey ya just won the Nobel Peace Prize. Ahhhh i feel better now.:rose::rose:


ITA - awesome post. :beer:
Frightening society we live in now a days isn't it?

[Amy]

Maybe that answers alot of questions. Cindy and George seemed to have their own issues going on and probably turned a blind eye to dealing with Casey. I could never wrap my head around the job thing. They had to notice she could not afford a bag of diapers etc etc way too often. Maybe that was part of the deal-Cindy wanted Casey to have the baby and maybe Casey told her she would have it if she paid Caylee's everyday living. Another thing i really dont get is how George gambled all that money away. Lost i believe the business and their home in Ohio. That looks like a very nice home in Fla. Nice vehicles. Pics of the inside look very nice and also the pics of Caylee looked like that little one had plenty of nice clothes and toys. I just dont know how you bounce back to that level so quickly? I dont know how that marriage can get thru this one.:rose:

I wonder if everything they had in Ohio was in George's name. I would guess he could have claimed bankruptcy. It seems that was some time ago, they could have gotten past a bankruptcy being an obstacle in getting a house and car? I think it was in the first interview w/LE that was released some time ago, he was saying the house, the bank account (current) were in Cindy's name. @ the time, there was talk about his gambling (I don't know if the info about the loss in Ohio) and that was a problem w/the marriage, and that was why all was in Cindy's name.

[One2Snoop]

I wonder if everything they had in Ohio was in George's name. I would guess he could have claimed bankruptcy. It seems that was some time ago, they could have gotten past a bankruptcy being an obstacle in getting a house and car? I think it was in the first interview w/LE that was released some time ago, he was saying the house, the bank account (current) were in Cindy's name. @ the time, there was talk about his gambling (I don't know if the info about the loss in Ohio) and that was a problem w/the marriage, and that was why all was in Cindy's name.

Thats a possibilty Amy - I have a friend who went thru bankruptcy but everything was in her husbands name so when they moved to a different state everything was put in her name - Very possible this is what happened with George and Cindy - hell I almost get the sense Cindy may hold it over his head and thats why he stays? Just sayin'. :cool:

[Amy]

I agree with you for the most part Sharlock -and of course I mean no disrespect on the parts I disagree on,,,

What you've posted above makes me think even more that Caylee's death was an accident- why in god's name Casey feels the need to keep that to herself is beyond me - If Baez has promised her freedom for her silence he's sadly mistaken IMO - in this day and age those sorts of cases just don't happen anymore - I seriously believe this has turnd into a game for Baez and he thinks he can win this hands down -:no:

Sorry Mr. Baez but the state has very strong forensic evidence of a dead body in the back of Casey's car - better yet, the strand of hair found in the trunk belonged to Caylee - it also showed a death band in the hair strand - something you typically don't find in a normal human being's every day life.
Many thanks to the body farm for your extensive investigations.

I'm patiently waiting for Baez to explain all of the above -
Just my 2 cents :read:

Some time back, it seemed that the defense (or was it the A's) admitted on tv --it's been some time, can't remember if whoever it was, was talking on NG, Today, or just to a reporter---that there HAD been a dead body in the car, it just wasn't Caylee's.

OMG---what are the chances that some other, unrelated dead person would have been placed in the trunk of the car of the mother of a missing girl? I think @ the time, the information about the banding on the hair was known, and that the hair was Caylee's or Casey's, but w/Casey being alive, the dead person in the car had to have been Caylee.

[Johnna Depp]

I just cant believe that this conniving, immature loser has been able to pull one over on these authorities. I mean even OJ was more discrete. I feel for everyone involved. If she gets away with this, this will definitely be one for the history books. I can understand why they are taking their time. God knows if they are swift to convict, and she got off, only to find Caleys' remains later. Double jeapordy would apply, and she would walk. As it is, with no body, premeditation is going to be hard to prove. So, the death penalty is probably out of the question. I can't stand even looking at her. She makes me sick..... Where is your daughter you *****???????? Do you have a conscience?














Thanks Snoop-a very nice compliment when it comes from you. Yep it just keeps getting sicker!!! Thank gawd for us normals here ha!!!! Off to bed night:seeya::rose:

[Amy]

ITA. The one thing it makes me realize is CAYLEE will never get any older than almost three. She'll never have another birthday or Christmas or anything and its Casey's fault. That would be enough for me to vote the death penalty.

However, the idea of Casey growing old in prison pleases me. No men, no shopping, no booze and partying. And every year a few more wrinkles and gray hair.

And she will live mostly in her head as she'll be segregated. Sounds fair to me with all the stories she has made up.

And, no cell phone---no constant texting!!!!!

[One2Snoop]

Thanks Snoop-a very nice compliment when it comes from you. Yep it just keeps getting sicker!!! Thank gawd for us normals here ha!!!! Off to bed night:seeya::rose:

beemeup - no need for a thank you. I'm a real person who's dealing with 2 teenage daughters and their issues on a day to day basis - I honest to god don't know what I would do if I were ever put in G&C's position and I can only thank god to this (present) day he's not put me there.
I still have to deal with the drama but its not been anything like what G&C's gone through since Caylee disappeared. What a roller coaster nightmare for them.
I know in my heart G&C are struggling although I'm thinking George has struggled far more. Cindy is saying, deny, deny, deny and it's obvious to me in George's taped interview he knows and wants to tell the truth. Kudo's to him for doing the right thing and I can only hope and pray he follows through with it. :patriot:
All I can say to George at this point in time is, in the end you have to do the right thing for Caylee, regardless. :rose:

IMO, JMO.

[Amy]

I am still hanging for a bit- sad and just unwinding from work. Was so hoping for good news upon arriving home. No heat from me here we are all entitled to our opines and yes Cindy can sure make ya crazy. I have never understood her beh. from day one. I get denial and wanting to believe Caylee is alive. How many other cases have we all seen that with pleading distraught parents/grandparents etc. All i ever see out of Cindy is anger mostly-not a normal public response in my opine. She even lies to save her daughters skin. She appears to me to be one desperate woman with issues of her own. Cindy will continue to believe and search in the land of Cindy. When Casey is convicted i am sure it will be somebody's fault-probably George's. Gee what a pattern-blame everyone else. I dont have any sympathy for Cindy and i may take heat for that. George i have gone back and forth. Now i do feel bad for him. I dont think Cindy would close her mouth even under a gag order. She made it easy for people to not symphathize with her. I just wish Caylee could be found. For that poor child i hope her mother suffers ten fold in her next life :rose:


I think the very best thing for the defense side of things is the gag order. Cindy just does not see that every time she opens her mouth, she makes such outrageous statements. It does NOT help Casey's case in any way, nor does it help to find Caylee. For people to still be calling the A hotline--and exactly which one is that---the disconnected number on the mobile?--is ludicrous. Who the H in whatever town --Gainsville? had the A's hotline number @ hand to call? And, it whomever waited until s/he got home and looked it up--do ya think the little girl would still be @ the store? Do ya really think that, by the time the A's could get in their vehicle and drive to the store that the little girl would still be there?

No, Cindy, I think that, if anyone tho't they had a sighting of Caylee, they would do the common sensical thing and call 911 so the police IN THAT TOWN could get to the store ASAP. And, I suppose that, when the A's went to the store, the managers just up and handed over their surveilance tape? Sure, they did.

I just have a hard time believing anything about people calling in sightings to the A's, unless they are pranksters or loony tunes. And again, did they ever either connect the number on the mobile, or put a working number on it?

[Amy]

Merker--thanks so much to you and all the searchers.


Thanks for the first hand report on how it went.

[Amy]

Sharlock--

you are so right about each of us thinking of this case according to our own experiences.

The reason I think it could have been an accident is because of an 18 y/o mom who recently lived @ my house w/her now 20 month old daughter. She has never had to live on her own w/her little girl (and I can say, thank goodness for the little girl's sake.) She just didn't have any idea about taking care of a toddler.

Always before, she was w/her mom and step-dad or dad and step-mom. I am sure she was not the one responsible for most of the day-to-day care of the little one when she was there. And, while she was on WIC for foodstuff, and medical card, she was not the one who bought the clothes, the high chair, etc etc etc.

@ my home, she WAS the one who had the 24 hour care of the little one. She had no patience. She acted like this less than 2 y/o should understand exactly what she wasn't to do--the very first time. She tho't that giving the baby a toy was supposed to keep her occupied while she watched her tv shows. I tried to explain, you don't just give her a toy, you have to play w/her. You read to her. You pay attention to her.

My word, the things that girl would yell @ that baby!!! Horrible, horrible, horrible. Things you shouldn't yell @ your own worst enemy. She's a BABY, for pete's sake!!! When she wakes up in the night, she needs some comforting. Maybe a sip of water or something. Not to be yelled @ to go back to sleep!!!!

She never hit the little one when I was home. But DD says she had talked to her once about she tho't she had "hit her too hard." DD and I neither one ever saw her hit her, but I can certainly see her doing it if there is no one around to see.

I can see even a 22 y/o who has never had to deal w/the ever-moving toddler lose her patience. Or, who has never had to deal w/the crying @ night (cuz I'm betting Cindy answered Caylee's cries) losing her patience, or getting angry if Caylee perhaps cried for grandma, not allowing Casey to comfort her. I can see the anger and impatience getting out of hand, and Casey "losing it" and hitting her too hard, or maybe throwing her on the bed too hard, or missing the bed altogether.

Or, I can see Casey being on the phone or doing her thing and not paying attention to Caylee, and Caylee getting into something or falling and dying. I can see her, not having any idea about how hard it would be to get someone to watch Caylee (for free--cuz what was Casey going to use for money?) and sedating her to keep her asleep thru the night so Casey's social life could go on as before.

I think all this, because of the one who stayed @ my house.

[One2Snoop]

I'm convinced Casey has no conscience -and never had one. IMO, she's proven she has no conscience about Caylee - remember her spoken words - "You guys are such a waste" Her spoken words can't ring more true of her guilt IMO....


Mother-Daughter Exchange Harsh Words In Missing Girl Mystery

POSTED: 6:34 pm EDT July 25, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla.
The following is text from a jailhouse call made by Casey Anthony to her mother ,Cindy, and brother, Lee:

"Casey?" Cindy Anthony said to begin the call.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said. "I just saw your nice little cameo on TV."

"Which one," Cindy Anthony said.

"What do you mean, which one?" Casey Anthony said.

"Which one?" Cindy Anthony said. "I did four different ones, and I haven't seen them all. I've only seen one or two so far."

"You don't know what my involvement is in (inaudible)?" Casey Anthony asked.

"Casey," Cindy Anthony said.

"Mom," Casey Anthony said.

"No, I don't know what your involvement is, sweetheart," Cindy Anthony said. "You are not telling me where she's at."

"Because I don't (expletive) know where she's at," Casey Anthony said. "You are kidding me?"

"Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me," Cindy Anthony said.

"Waste my call sitting in the jail?" Casey Anthony said.

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

"Do me a favor and just tell me what Tony's number is," Casey Anthony said. "I don't want to talk to you. Forget it."

"I don't have his number," Cindy Anthony said.

"Well, get it from Lee," Casey Anthony said. "I know Lee is at the house. I saw Mallory's car was out front. It was just on the news. They were just live outside the house."

"I know they were," Cindy Anthony said.

"Well?" Casey Anthony said.

"Can you get Tony's number for me so I can call him?" Casey Anthony said.

"Hello?" Casey's brother Lee said.

"Hi," Casey Anthony said. "Can you get me Tony's number?"

"I can do that but I don't know what good it's going to do you at this point," Lee Anthony said.

"Well, I'd like to talk to him any way because I called to talk to my mother and it is a (expletive) waste," Casey Anthony said. "By the way, I don't want any of you coming up here when I have my first hearing for bond and everything. I mean don't even (expletive) waste your time coming up here."

"You know, you are having a real tough year and making it real tough for anybody to want to try to, even if it is giving..." Lee Anthony said.

"See that is just it, every..." Casey Anthony said.

"You are not even letting me finish," Lee Anthony said.

"Go ahead," Casey Anthony said.

"First, you are asking me for Tony's phone number so you can call him and then you immediately want to start pressing toward me and don't even worry about coming up here for all this stuff and trying to cut us out," Lee Anthony said.

"I'm not trying to cut anybody out," Casey Anthony said.

"I'm not going around and around with you," Lee Anthony said. "You know, that is pretty pointless. I'm not going to put everyone else through the same stuff that you've been putting the police and everybody else for the last 24 hours and the stuff you've been putting mom through for the last four or five weeks. I'm done with that. So, you can tell me what's going on. Kristina would love to talk to you because she thinks you will tell her what's going on. Frankly, we are going to find out, whatever is going on is going to be found out. So, why not do it now?"

"There is nothing to find out," Casey Anthony said. "There is absolutely nothing to find out. Not even what I told the detectives. I have no clue where Caylee is. If I knew where Caylee was, do you think that any of this would be happening? No."

"Anyway, you only have a couple of minutes with this so I'm not going to let you completely waste it," Lee Anthony said. "Here is Kristina."

"No, no," Casey Anthony said. "I want Tony's number. I'm not talking to anybody else."

"Hello," Kristina said.

"Hi," Casey Anthony said. "I'm glad everybody is at my house but I'll have to call you later or I'll have to call to get somebody to get your number. Do me a favor and get my brother back because I need Tony's number."

"OK," Kristina said. "Is there anything I can do for you?"

"I'm sitting in jail," Casey Anthony said. "There is nothing anybody can do now."

"I'm just trying to be a…" Kristina said.

"I know you are, honey," Casey Anthony said. "I absolutely know you are and I appreciate it and everything you are trying to do but I'd like to call Tony. He's not at my house is he?

"No," Kristina said. "It's just me and your parents and Lee."

"Well, can you do me a favor and get my brother back so I can get the number from him please?" Casey Anthony said.

"Does Tony have anything to do with Caylee?" Kristina asks.

"No," Casey Anthony said. "Nothing."

"OK, so why do you want to talk with Tony?" Kristina asks. "You probably don't want to tell me, do you?"

"Tony had nothing to do with Caylee," Casey Anthony said.

"Oh, then why do you want to talk with him?" Kristina asks.

"Because he is my boyfriend and I want to actually try and sit and talk to him because I didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier," Casey Anthony said. "Because I got arrested on a (expletive) whim today and because they are blaming me for stuff that I would never do. That I didn't do."

"Well, I'm on your side, you know that?" Kristina said.

"I know that, I just want to talk with Tony and get a little bit of…" Casey Anthony said.

"Casey, you have to tell me if you know anything about Caylee," Kristina said. "If anything happened to Caylee, I'll die -- you understand, I'll die."

"Oh my God," Casey Anthony said. "Calling you guys (was) a waste -- a huge waste. Honey, I love you. You know I'd never let anything happen to my daughter. If I knew where she was, this would not be going on."

"Then how come everyone is saying that you are lying?" Kristina said.

"Because nobody is (expletive) listening to anything that I'm saying," Casey Anthony said. "The media misconstrued everything that I said. The (expletive) detectives pulled (expletive) (expletive). They got all of their information from me but at the same time they are twisting stuff. They already said they are going to pin this on me if they don't find Caylee. They've already said that. They arrested me because they said..."


snipped for length


Read more at the link....
http://www.local6.com/news/16993169/detail.html

[BentNotBroken]

the skank will be sitting in prison, high fiving her shadow. WTH did she do with Caylee? Hate to say this, casey may walk free. :mad:

[sharlock]

hi guys not many people left this late. I am so disappointed they did not find Caylee. I can hear Cindy now saying See, see Casey will win mother of the year. I kind of hope they get the gag order. I for one think Cindy is a demon. And I am tired of hearing her mouth and her lies. I am not sure I can be so specific as to say she raised a murderer but from that interview of George's she is one of the most spiteful and controlling woman I have ever heard of. I find it disgusting that in the middle of all this she tried to get LE to follow only her leads or she would quote, Make all kinds of trouble for them. It is so clear in the police interview that even George knows she is being unreasonable. If you read that one quote about how George can;t believe how his wife is treating LE, it just makes you wonder. I know I may take heat for this because some just see her as a concerned Grandmother who is in denial but I think she cares only about getting Casey off at this point and she will do anything to lead them in the wrong direction. When George tells her that they have to tell anything they know or else they could be brought up on charges and she says No George, i am going to do my own investigation, that is so telling to me. And come on how ignorant is that, her husband was a cop and Cindy has to know she has no access to peoples phone records, bank records, no way to realistically tail them, in short no real way to investigate, all she wants now is to get Casey off., It may be harsh but I think she is a witch and not Glenda the good witch. I feel bad for George.
You won't take any heat from me mu8shark I am so greatful to you for all your updates and hard work. Anyone who cares this much for a little girl like Caylee can have any opinion they want imo!:beer:

[sharlock]

Some time back, it seemed that the defense (or was it the A's) admitted on tv --it's been some time, can't remember if whoever it was, was talking on NG, Today, or just to a reporter---that there HAD been a dead body in the car, it just wasn't Caylee's.

OMG---what are the chances that some other, unrelated dead person would have been placed in the trunk of the car of the mother of a missing girl? I think @ the time, the information about the banding on the hair was known, and that the hair was Caylee's or Casey's, but w/Casey being alive, the dead person in the car had to have been Caylee.

I remeber that and it was on an interview with George. In it they said something to him about Caylees remains having been in the boot possibly and he yelled at them something like " That was not my grandaughters body in the boot" listening to him it really sounded as if he even knew whose body it was.

[sharlock]

Sharlock--

you are so right about each of us thinking of this case according to our own experiences.

The reason I think it could have been an accident is because of an 18 y/o mom who recently lived @ my house w/her now 20 month old daughter. She has never had to live on her own w/her little girl (and I can say, thank goodness for the little girl's sake.) She just didn't have any idea about taking care of a toddler.

Always before, she was w/her mom and step-dad or dad and step-mom. I am sure she was not the one responsible for most of the day-to-day care of the little one when she was there. And, while she was on WIC for foodstuff, and medical card, she was not the one who bought the clothes, the high chair, etc etc etc.

@ my home, she WAS the one who had the 24 hour care of the little one. She had no patience. She acted like this less than 2 y/o should understand exactly what she wasn't to do--the very first time. She tho't that giving the baby a toy was supposed to keep her occupied while she watched her tv shows. I tried to explain, you don't just give her a toy, you have to play w/her. You read to her. You pay attention to her.

My word, the things that girl would yell @ that baby!!! Horrible, horrible, horrible. Things you shouldn't yell @ your own worst enemy. She's a BABY, for pete's sake!!! When she wakes up in the night, she needs some comforting. Maybe a sip of water or something. Not to be yelled @ to go back to sleep!!!!

She never hit the little one when I was home. But DD says she had talked to her once about she tho't she had "hit her too hard." DD and I neither one ever saw her hit her, but I can certainly see her doing it if there is no one around to see.

I can see even a 22 y/o who has never had to deal w/the ever-moving toddler lose her patience. Or, who has never had to deal w/the crying @ night (cuz I'm betting Cindy answered Caylee's cries) losing her patience, or getting angry if Caylee perhaps cried for grandma, not allowing Casey to comfort her. I can see the anger and impatience getting out of hand, and Casey "losing it" and hitting her too hard, or maybe throwing her on the bed too hard, or missing the bed altogether.

Or, I can see Casey being on the phone or doing her thing and not paying attention to Caylee, and Caylee getting into something or falling and dying. I can see her, not having any idea about how hard it would be to get someone to watch Caylee (for free--cuz what was Casey going to use for money?) and sedating her to keep her asleep thru the night so Casey's social life could go on as before.

I think all this, because of the one who stayed @ my house.

Exactly Amy, this is exactly what I mean. Once you have seen stuff like this first hand you stop doubting that a mother could have done such a horrible thing though!

[Gatordog]

I'm out of breath trying to get in here as quickly as possible to post to you folks. I was out sick Friday and I haven't read anything since Thursday afternoon so if I repeat anything, sorry.

Well, totally by accident on Sunday, I met Leonard Padilla. I left my house and it was such a beautiful day, I decided to drive through Jay Blanchard Park. As I'm driving through I saw an airboat. That was the first time I ever saw one on the river. I watched it make it's way slowly down the river and it had four people on board. Then, further ahead, I saw a man in a black stetson and another man sitting at one of the picnic tables. Well, you don't see too many Stetsons around here. I knew immediately who it was. I parked the car and went to speak to him. I didn't even have to get him liquored up like I said I would :o He asked me some questions about the park, especially regarding June 24th. He gave me his business card and asked me to call him in a few hours as he had more he wanted to ask. I called back and each time he was involved and couldn't speak. Turns out he was arranging for divers and more searchers for the park. I just left that park (8:20 a.m.) and a whole commotion is going on there. Yesterday, Leonard said to me she's there, at the park in the river.

Seems back in August, a cross made out of construction paper was found that was tied to a tree right across from the playground, near the river. The material used matched an art kit that Caylee had in her room. Also, a news report last night said that Leonard had a tip from a friend of Casey's regarding Blanchard Park and he is following up on that tip.

As I was leaving I saw a young man putting on a wet suit vest and he had diving equipment in his truck. I asked him if he was one of the divers, and he smiled and said, he was going for a swim. I asked him to remember the bridge on Dean Road just outside of the park entrance. Between the north and southbound lanes, there is an opening that goes straight down into the river. Early morning, the road is very empty. She could have pulled over in the left lane, popped the trunk, and thrown something heavy over the concrete barrier and into the river in about 20 seconds. The FBI is going to be present today. Also, while I was standing there watching, a woman on a bicycle pulled up and talked to him. She rides the park every morning. She told him of a bad smell that was located in a area close by, she said it was decomposition. Another man came up to him to speak and pointed in just about the same area of the river that the lady spoke of. I half heartedly wished Leonard luck. It's not an easy thing to say, but I hope you have success. He understood. I thank Leonard very much and I pray that Caylee is found :rose: The thought of it being one block from my home is upsetting, but I hope she's there because Leonard will find her.

[Amy]

Thanks for the info, Gatordog. I sure hope the tips were spot on and that Caylee will be found today.

[Gatordog]

Just when I think I've heard it all, something new pops up.

George has the location for his kids finders tent. It's on county land so they say it will be permanent. It's on the corner of Goldenrod Road and Highway 50 (Colonial Drive). The Amscott where the car was abandoned is on Goldenrod Road and Highway 50. Just keeps getting more bizarre everyday.

[sharlock]

Sure does Gator, thanks for letting us know what you heard.

[TOEJAM]

I'm out of breath trying to get in here as quickly as possible to post to you folks. I was out sick Friday and I haven't read anything since Thursday afternoon so if I repeat anything, sorry.

Well, totally by accident on Sunday, I met Leonard Padilla. I left my house and it was such a beautiful day, I decided to drive through Jay Blanchard Park. As I'm driving through I saw an airboat. That was the first time I ever saw one on the river. I watched it make it's way slowly down the river and it had four people on board. Then, further ahead, I saw a man in a black stetson and another man sitting at one of the picnic tables. Well, you don't see too many Stetsons around here. I knew immediately who it was. I parked the car and went to speak to him. I didn't even have to get him liquored up like I said I would :o He asked me some questions about the park, especially regarding June 24th. He gave me his business card and asked me to call him in a few hours as he had more he wanted to ask. I called back and each time he was involved and couldn't speak. Turns out he was arranging for divers and more searchers for the park. I just left that park (8:20 a.m.) and a whole commotion is going on there. Yesterday, Leonard said to me she's there, at the park in the river.

Seems back in August, a cross made out of construction paper was found that was tied to a tree right across from the playground, near the river. The material used matched an art kit that Caylee had in her room. Also, a news report last night said that Leonard had a tip from a friend of Casey's regarding Blanchard Park and he is following up on that tip.

As I was leaving I saw a young man putting on a wet suit vest and he had diving equipment in his truck. I asked him if he was one of the divers, and he smiled and said, he was going for a swim. I asked him to remember the bridge on Dean Road just outside of the park entrance. Between the north and southbound lanes, there is an opening that goes straight down into the river. Early morning, the road is very empty. She could have pulled over in the left lane, popped the trunk, and thrown something heavy over the concrete barrier and into the river in about 20 seconds. The FBI is going to be present today. Also, while I was standing there watching, a woman on a bicycle pulled up and talked to him. She rides the park every morning. She told him of a bad smell that was located in a area close by, she said it was decomposition. Another man came up to him to speak and pointed in just about the same area of the river that the lady spoke of. I half heartedly wished Leonard luck. It's not an easy thing to say, but I hope you have success. He understood. I thank Leonard very much and I pray that Caylee is found :rose: The thought of it being one block from my home is upsetting, but I hope she's there because Leonard will find her.


are there gators in the rivers or just the ponds? I am afraid that LP was right when he said that they would have to gut every gator to find the body.....

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks for the update Gatordog. Hope you're feeling better.

[lorettalockhorn]

Seems back in August, a cross made out of construction paper was found that was tied to a tree right across from the playground, near the river. The material used matched an art kit that Caylee had in her room. Also, a news report last night said that Leonard had a tip from a friend of Casey's regarding Blanchard Park and he is following up on that tip.

Meanwhile, there is a lot of chatter and rumors about a beaded cross necklace that was found in the woods. I have been aware of this find but was asked not to share the information. That information got leaked by a blogger on another site today and it has since been twisted into several different versions.

Yes, a cross was found hanging on a tree branch. No, it was not found today, it was found during the first search effort. The information has been carefully guarded because we were not sure of the significance of the find. It was not a store bought necklace, but a craft item that someone had made out of plastic and beads. What made the find interesting was that the beads, according to Leonard Padilla, were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewlery that Casey had allegedly made. Is it related to the case? Unknown. I saw a photo of the cross today but unfortunately that is the only thing they have. The cross was left on the branch and, according to Rob Dick, disappeared shortly thereafter.

David Lohr's post about the homemade cross from 11/08/08:

Meanwhile, there is a lot of chatter and rumors about a beaded cross necklace that was found in the woods. I have been aware of this find but was asked not to share the information. That information got leaked by a blogger on another site today and it has since been twisted into several different versions.

Yes, a cross was found hanging on a tree branch. No, it was not found today, it was found during the first search effort. The information has been carefully guarded because we were not sure of the significance of the find. It was not a store bought necklace, but a craft item that someone had made out of plastic and beads. What made the find interesting was that the beads, according to Leonard Padilla, were "identical" to beads that the female bounty hunter (the one who stayed in the house when Casey was out on bond) had seen on jewlery that Casey had allegedly made. Is it related to the case? Unknown. I saw a photo of the cross today but unfortunately that is the only thing they have. The cross was left on the branch and, according to Rob Dick, disappeared shortly thereafter.

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/11/get-the-latest.html

Not sure what is meant by the cross "disappearing". It was picked up by law enforcement? It was left after it was reported and someone snagged it?

[lorettalockhorn]

Divers Search River For Caylee

Celebrity bounty hunter Leonard Padilla, who assisted Miller in the weekend search, said he is taking a dive team to Blanchard Park on Monday to search the Little Econ River for Caylee.

Padilla said he received a tip from a friend of Anthony's, leading to the new search. Padilla said the friend showed him a picture of a cross that she had taken at Blanchard Park and it matched some arts and crafts that were in Anthony's room.

"She could have easily gone to the park, taken the body out, ruptured the bag when she pulled the body out of the trunk -- which left fluids in the trunk -- gotten it all over herself, taken it to the edge of the water and dumped it in there," Padilla said.

Padilla said that theory would explain a stain on one of Anthony's shirts that her mother, Cindy Anthony, cleaned before it was turned over to investigators.

Divers were awaiting the OK from Orange County authorities before searching the river, Local 6 News reported.

http://www.local6.com/news/17945241/detail.html

[tv]

In reading the transcript of Casey talking to Cindy on the phone from the jail I'm struck by the disrespect that Casey shows to her mother. I think it's a very telling indicator of what kind of relationship they have. I may be old school but using the F word under any circumstance when speaking to my mother would be completely unimaginable. :eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

A woman from Texas Equusearch found a cross on a tree in August hanging by the jungle gym at the park.

She took a picture of it, and compared the bead work on the cross with a picture taken from an arts and crafts kit at Casey’s house. The two matched.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7827615&version=10&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


http://i33.tinypic.com/28mjzo7.jpg

[deacon]

The more I read, the more I think Caylee was dumped in the river or a lake. Too easy to do and so hard to find. There may be nothing left or the body may be stuck on something on the bottom. Most bodies will surface if not weighted in a day or so. I continue to think the body will either be found caught on the bottom or will not be found.

Sad, so sad but may be true.

[Gatordog]

are there gators in the rivers or just the ponds? I am afraid that LP was right when he said that they would have to gut every gator to find the body.....

I've never seen a gator there or heard of one. Dogs are walked near the waters edge all the time and so far, nothings happened. I wouldn't try it though. I know when they have had searches in the ponds and lakes they have always had officers nearby with rifles.

[Gatordog]

In reading the transcript of Casey talking to Cindy on the phone from the jail I'm struck by the disrespect that Casey shows to her mother. I think it's a very telling indicator of what kind of relationship they have. I may be old school but using the F word under any circumstance when speaking to my mother would be completely unimaginable. :eek:

tvdinner, you are absolutely correct. It's even worse when you actually hear to the tone in her voice as opposed to reading the text. And, Cindy is being so sweet to her. Let me tell you, if I spoke to my mother like that, the very last thing she would call me was "sweetheart". That's the trouble, Cindy should have scared the wits out of her. I know my mom just had to look at us or she would hit her hand on a table and we'd be quiet as little church mice for hours.

[Gatordog]

A woman from Texas Equusearch found a cross on a tree in August hanging by the jungle gym at the park.

She took a picture of it, and compared the bead work on the cross with a picture taken from an arts and crafts kit at Casey’s house. The two matched.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7827615&version=10&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


http://i33.tinypic.com/28mjzo7.jpg

I think it was a woman from Equusearch who took the photograph back in August. She left the cross there. The cross is no longer there but some beads were still on the ground. Padilla showed the photo of the cross to Amy Huizenga and Amy stated that it looked just like the craft set that Casey and Caylee used to make things.

[Gatordog]

I need to correct a response I made to either A2O, SaraS or 12S. They asked me why a rope would be attached to a tree (found back in September in JB Park). I commented that it could have been used to tie a canoe. Another person mentioned that the body could have been dumped in water and I said she would have needed a boat.

Well, in talking to by boss this morning, I mentioned I couldn't understand how she could have gotten the body to the middle of the river. He said, easy, get a pool float, blow it up, tie a guider rope on it, but the body on the raft and then release the air nozzle. Try to hold it by the rope to keep it from floating away and it will eventually sink when the air came out.

That's why he's the boss and I'm the secretary. I also better bet careful in the future because he's more ingenious than I imagined. :)

[lorettalockhorn]

I think it was a woman from Equusearch who took the photograph back in August. She left the cross there. The cross is no longer there but some beads were still on the ground. Padilla showed the photo of the cross to Amy Huizenga and Amy stated that it looked just like the craft set that Casey and Caylee used to make things.

Yes: "A woman from Texas Equusearch found a cross on a tree in August hanging by the jungle gym at the park.

She took a picture of it, and compared the bead work on the cross with a picture taken from an arts and crafts kit at Casey’s house. The two matched."

It occurs to me that Cindy could have made that cross from the bead kit at home and put it there to commemorate Caylees' having gone missing.

LE has held things back, and since the TES searchers are trained to alert LE when items of interest are found, maybe they have the cross. But it doesn't seem like they would be likely to leave beads on the ground.

[Gatordog]

I keep repeating LP's words that they will find Caylee by Monday..those words just keep buzzing in my head and since they are diving today.............:rose:

Since the beaded cross was found in August, we can only assume fingerprint analysis was done on it. Since there's a lot of conjecture on how it matches the kit Casey had, maybe keeping mum about it the whole while is a good sign of something they have on the b*t*h.

Just can't see her caring enough to put it there though....at that point she was still thinking about how to distance herself from the disappearance.

Prayers for Caylee....Good thoughts to Tim, TES, Leonard, and all those wonderful people who are helping in any way they can.

Old Soul, I don't think it had to do with her being caring, but about her, once again, being the center of attention. She probably made it a little ritual and saw herself as the grieving mother.

[Brainstorm]

Thanks so much gator, for getting out there & being there!!!!!
I bet you never imagined, when you posted those first posts here, that YOU would really end up TALKING with LP!!!
God Bless YOU.
Keep it up,gator,its as if you are our eyes and ears,right in the thick of things.

[Gatordog]

Thanks Brainstorm, it is a little peculiar to say the least. It's like watching a movie but being in it at the same time.

I went over to the park at lunchtime and got there around noon. At 12:20 or so the divers came out of the water. I spoke to a news reporter who said that they only started at 11:40 or so and had covered about sixty feet in lenghth. I overheard one of the divers telling one of the grounds crew that it was really bad down there, real silty I think he said, or put in an h and take out the L, couldn't be sure.

I overheard another group of searchers (not paid searchers but locals I think) and one woman said she had a photo of Casey taken before Caley was born and she thinks she had on a white bracelet with similar beads.

There are lots of Columbo and Mr. Monk wannabes out there and I must confess that I fit right in with them.

I saw Nancy Belich from WFVT who is frequently on NG so I imagine she will be on there again tonight.

Oh, yes, I also saw Det Yuri Melich talking to Leonard Padilla.

I looked around carefully in the cars to see if I could see George Anthony. I would think that he would find it very hard to stay away.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

Thanks Brainstorm, it is a little peculiar to say the least. It's like watching a movie but being in it at the same time.

I went over to the park at lunchtime and got there around noon. At 12:20 or so the divers came out of the water. I spoke to a news reporter who said that they only started at 11:40 or so and had covered about sixty feet in lenghth. I overheard one of the divers telling one of the grounds crew that it was really bad down there, real silty I think he said, or put in an h and take out the L, couldn't be sure.

I overheard another group of searchers (not paid searchers but locals I think) and one woman said she had a photo of Casey taken before Caley was born and she thinks she had on a white bracelet with similar beads.

There are lots of Columbo and Mr. Monk wannabes out there and I must confess that I fit right in with them.

I saw Nancy Belich from WFVT who is frequently on NG so I imagine she will be on there again tonight.

Oh, yes, I also saw Det Yuri Melich talking to Leonard Padilla.

I looked around carefully in the cars to see if I could see George Anthony. I would think that he would find it very hard to stay away.

Gator

Here's the blurb from the link posted in the News thread:

Today's Updates

Two divers in the water at Blanchard Park
12:21 p.m. Leonard Padilla has two divers in the river at Jay Blanchard Park this afternoon to search for Caylee Marie.

One man is standing in the water, feeding a line to another diver using scuba gear. Visibility is low and that diver is only able to run his hands along the bottom, according to Rob Dick, who is helping Padilla.

Padilla said he has two other divers who could go in the water, but has opted to leave them out because he fears for their safety.

"What if an alligator sneaks across there, or something," Padilla said.

Dick refused to name one of the divers and gave only a first name and nickname of the second diver. It's unknown what, if any, training the divers have.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-111008,0,4570496.story

[mu8shark]

You won't take any heat from me mu8shark I am so greatful to you for all your updates and hard work. Anyone who cares this much for a little girl like Caylee can have any opinion they want imo!:beer: :you guys on this board are all so sweet and know how to do intelligent debate. I am learning every day that if you have a different opinion nobody calls you stupid or heartless or wrong, they just give you the right to your own opinion. It is so nice to come to this board and see all different opinions and share theories.,I really hope they find something today. It makes me sick that this little girl is lying out there like a bag of garbage or dirt. Hopefully they will bring her home so she can be put to rest. To think she probably died in a trunk is just cruel and horrible and I know no matter what our opinions on other stuff, we all agree on what we want for Caylee.

[NMurphy02]

I just cant believe that this conniving, immature loser has been able to pull one over on these authorities. I mean even OJ was more discrete. I feel for everyone involved. If she gets away with this, this will definitely be one for the history books. I can understand why they are taking their time. God knows if they are swift to convict, and she got off, only to find Caleys' remains later. Double jeapordy would apply, and she would walk. As it is, with no body, premeditation is going to be hard to prove. So, the death penalty is probably out of the question. I can't stand even looking at her. She makes me sick..... Where is your daughter you *****???????? Do you have a conscience?




Everytime I look at Casey I want to scream. It makes me ill to think that this scumbag, who lies about what day it is, might actually pull this off! It makes me crazy!

Seriously this post is what I've been saying for weeks! It's like reading my own mind :)

[Gatordog]

Here are photos from the park taken today. The weather is really nice, you can't tell from the photos. I think the weather may have jinxed Equusearch. It was too nice this weekend. Everyone probably had something else they wanted to do. If it was nasty out, they may have had a better turnout. I also blame the media and in part, the leaders. They kept asking only for people who had military, police or fire/rescue background. They would have had more people if they hadn't been so specific.

Gator

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/111008SEARCHNEARJBLANCHARDPARK/indexGallery.htm

[lorettalockhorn]

:you guys on this board are all so sweet and know how to do intelligent debate. I am learning every day that if you have a different opinion nobody calls you stupid or heartless or wrong, they just give you the right to your own opinion. It is so nice to come to this board and see all different opinions and share theories.,I really hope they find something today. It makes me sick that this little girl is lying out there like a bag of garbage or dirt. Hopefully they will bring her home so she can be put to rest. To think she probably died in a trunk is just cruel and horrible and I know no matter what our opinions on other stuff, we all agree on what we want for Caylee.

AMEN There are lots of boards out there, but CL is the best.

It's hard to imagine that Casey could ever have been the innocent child in those baby pictures, and is now such an evil sloth.

[mu8shark]

Old Soul, I don't think it had to do with her being caring, but about her, once again, being the center of attention. She probably made it a little ritual and saw herself as the grieving mother. Wiw in such a short post you have captured Casey's self centered personality. Me Me Me, all about Me. That is Casey

[mu8shark]

Back at ya mu-i really like it here too. Over on another board i was on-if u didn't agree you were bashed. Spelling errors people told you to get more sleep or surmised you were hitting the juice. Very judgemental. Here it is calm. Lets hope for Padilla's search some luck comes their way-for lack of better words.:rose:I was on that exact same board and found the correcting of spelling errors so childish. I mean who cares? I only hope a Casey Anthony jury has this collective spirit!

[mu8shark]

I am off work today and in between nuzzling and treating my dogs I will be looking at some of the other documents released and will try to post more summaries and keep us up to date. Sometimes, NG ,who I realize has limited time overlooks important stuff in those documents . While they just hit on a small portion of George's interview I found some of the rest of it pretty insightful and interesting. I will come back to this link and let you know if I post another new link like I did with George's interview.

[Amy]

I know i would have been knocked from here to China and my parents never hit me. I also found it interesting the use of the words honey and sweetie Casey uses. If u listened to the audio of it her voice changes to sweet and syrupy-she has it down to an art when to pull back to manipulate and get what she wants. That day all she wanted was Tony's number. And she has the nerve to say a waste. At this point as far as i am concerned she is a waste of skin.:rose:

I'm not able to hear the statements/phone calls. But, just reading them, I figured on the intonation of using sweetie and honey. I also imagined that some of Cindy's words were a little syrupy, too. I think they knew they were being taped even on that first call. Conversation is too guarded. It isn't until the last when Casey realizes no one is interested in giving her TonE's # that she gets so enraged she is cursing like a drunken sailor and either forgets her company manners, or just doesn't give a shinola. IMO

[Amy]

A woman from Texas Equusearch found a cross on a tree in August hanging by the jungle gym at the park.

She took a picture of it, and compared the bead work on the cross with a picture taken from an arts and crafts kit at Casey’s house. The two matched.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7827615&version=10&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


http://i33.tinypic.com/28mjzo7.jpg

Thanks for the pic, Loretta. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. It wasn't exactly as I imagined, from the posts describing it. Interesting.

[Amy]

Well that would be a very good thing then. I wonder why Padilla feels so strongly that she is there? You would think Casey would have picked a swamp. Maybe there became a time factor where she had to get rid of Caylee quicker than she planned. I am not sure i put much stock into that cross finding. I am sure those bead kits are a dime a dozen in homes with kids especially. Maybe some person/child hung it there where Casey stated that Blanchard Park was a place Caylee liked to play at? Or maybe there is more to it. It will come out.:rose:

I hadn't tho't about it, but it could be true that someone left the cross as a memorial--I mean, other than Casey. I know the stuff DD uses for jewelry and stuff can be found @ WallyWorld, Hobby Lobby, etc--where anyone doing that would pick up the items.

I think it was Gatordog's post about meeting LP that there is a portion of a bridge where it would be EASY, QUICK, (little effort) to toss something over. That would be right up Casey's alley. I don't know about current, (IF there is water in the rivers around here, there isn't any current) how fast and far it goes, but one could plan on whatever thrown to be washed downstream?

[mu8shark]

Don't know if someone has already mentioned this but oh well. Here is a link to a live stream video someone is doing at Blanchard Park search. Can't vouch for sound as I do not get any. But here it is and I posted a separate thread in case you guys want to look later and don't want to dig through posts. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

[Amy]

I am off work today and in between nuzzling and treating my dogs I will be looking at some of the other documents released and will try to post more summaries and keep us up to date. Sometimes, NG ,who I realize has limited time overlooks important stuff in those documents . While they just hit on a small portion of George's interview I found some of the rest of it pretty insightful and interesting. I will come back to this link and let you know if I post another new link like I did with George's interview.

I appreciate the written interview, too. (I hate all the "cross talk"--be quiet and let the interviewee talk!!! lol) I can read it thru and come to my own conclusion about important things, instead of having a tv host or TH discussing some other aspect.

[Amy]

If ya kind find the audio ya gotta hear it. I not much help in that dept. but many here are. I just need to make some time and learn how to navigate things here. In due time. Ya gotta here when i believe Lee or maybe it was her girlfriend asks her why she wants Tony's number. And she replies Cuz he's my boyfriend yadayada. That snotty tone at that part made me really wanna hurt her bad :punch:

It's not as much a problem of finding them as it is that my computer is selective about what it will let me do. So many of the links I click on say Flash is required and my computer won't let me get that. I tho't it was just videos, but sometimes it is audio things, too.

[deacon]

Yes it sure did not seem like alot of them had heart did they. Yes lets hope for a good jury. I think alot of Casey's actions paired with the forensics that we do know will be enough to convict. I am eager to see what we dont know. The diver sure does not have many encouraging words when he can only feel around the bottom. It's going to take a miracle-but they do happen.:rose:

Just being able to feel around on the bottom isn't that uncommon. Most of the dives that I have watched are time consumming and visiablilty is not very good. I just wonder how far it may have washed down stream with the rain and storms since ......... Hard to say it.:rose:

[deacon]

Thanks so much-I am getting sound-did anyone pick up on who was just talking? he said he did not believe Caylee was with us and that Casey was solely resposible. Then makes refrence to G&C conduct and says if they are listening-do not call me-put me on your do not call list. I did not recognize the voice and it sounded somewhat official??

I just looked at the video and would almost bet you there are gators in that river. They will "live" on the other side of the river away from where people are. Up and down stream would be a very good bet. That river screams gator.

[Gatordog]

Did anyone else wonder where the spare tire in Casey's car is? George's response to the detective's questions made me wonder because he told the officer that the stain was right in the well where the spare tire would be. Where's the tire? Could she have used it to weigh down the body?

The divers weren't searching near the bridge. They are about 1/4 mile downstream from the bridge. I wish they would look closer. It's easy to throw something from there. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that I even found out that that area was open, I assumed it was a median.

[Gatordog]

I just looked at the video and would almost bet you there are gators in that river. They will "live" on the other side of the river away from where people are. Up and down stream would be a very good bet. That river screams gator.

Hi Deacon,

The other side has a subdivision just behind the woods. The woods are maybe 75 feet deep. I would think there could be gators there, but I've never seen them. Gators are mostly in canals and streams here in Orlando. There are snapping turtles, big ones, in that river. I've seen those.

[One2Snoop]

GPD probes report of Caylee Anthony sighting

By Lise Fisher
Staff Writer

Published: Monday, November 10, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
Last Modified: Monday, November 10, 2008 at 2:44 p.m.
Gainesville police are investigating a report that missing Central Florida toddler Caylee Marie Anthony was seen at a local grocery store over the weekend.

The Police Department confirmed Monday that officers were investigating the report that the child was seen at the Winn-Dixie store off South Main Street on Saturday.

"Right now we are treating it as an open investigation," said police spokeswoman Officer Summer Hallett.

The girl's relatives had been contacted about the possible sighting, according to police.

Officers were following up on the report, Hallett said. She did not release any other information on the ongoing investigation.

The 3-year-old Orange County girl has been the subject of an intense search and investigation, which has garnered national attention, since she was last seen in June. Her mother has pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter and four counts of lying to investigators about the disappearance of her daughter, according to the Associated Press.



http://www.gainesville.com/article/20081110/NEWS/811100940/1014/ENTERTAINMENT02?Title=GPD_probes_report_of_Caylee_ Anthony_sighting

[One2Snoop]

Don't know if someone has already mentioned this but oh well. Here is a link to a live stream video someone is doing at Blanchard Park search. Can't vouch for sound as I do not get any. But here it is and I posted a separate thread in case you guys want to look later and don't want to dig through posts. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/murtwitnessone-live

Just watching the live stream and they are talking about Cindy showing up at the Park and :eek: acting out - anyone surprised? :rolleyes:

[browneyes106]

Here are photos from the park taken today. The weather is really nice, you can't tell from the photos. I think the weather may have jinxed Equusearch. It was too nice this weekend. Everyone probably had something else they wanted to do. If it was nasty out, they may have had a better turnout. I also blame the media and in part, the leaders. They kept asking only for people who had military, police or fire/rescue background. They would have had more people if they hadn't been so specific.

Gator

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/111008SEARCHNEARJBLANCHARDPARK/indexGallery.htm

I agree I think a lot of people dropped out of the search when it was mentioned they want people with military, police or fire/rescue. Many times in missing person searches they will ask for that criteria. Back in the 80's my dad who had military experience and was an Air Force Reservist participate in search for missing woman named Tara Calico in New Mexico. Tim Miller has said that TES might go back so maybe if their is a next time maybe more people will step up.

[browneyes106]

Just watching the live stream and they are talking about Cindy showing up at the Park and :eek: acting out - anyone surprised? :rolleyes:

Not surprised.

[deacon]

Did anyone else wonder where the spare tire in Casey's car is? George's response to the detective's questions made me wonder because he told the officer that the stain was right in the well where the spare tire would be. Where's the tire? Could she have used it to weigh down the body?

The divers weren't searching near the bridge. They are about 1/4 mile downstream from the bridge. I wish they would look closer. It's easy to throw something from there. It wasn't until a few weeks ago that I even found out that that area was open, I assumed it was a median.

Tire would float. It is full of air.

The divers would understand that if there is a body there, it will not be near where it was thrown in unless it was weighted. Depending on what was used, if it were weighted, the rope or what ever could have rotted and the body could be anywhere. With the storms down there it really could be anywhere.

[deacon]

Hi Deacon,

The other side has a subdivision just behind the woods. The woods are maybe 75 feet deep. I would think there could be gators there, but I've never seen them. Gators are mostly in canals and streams here in Orlando. There are snapping turtles, big ones, in that river. I've seen those.

Is part of the river secluded? If so, they are there. I really hope that didn't happen but I wouldn't doubt is.

[One2Snoop]

Live Stream -

Memorial service/search Tuesday morning at Jay Blanchard Park. They hope C&G don't come.

Cindy was acting like a raving lunatic. :no:

[deacon]

Just watching the live stream and they are talking about Cindy showing up at the Park and :eek: acting out - anyone surprised? :rolleyes:

And yet again she shows her ignorance. They are going to mess with the wrong child in this thinking it is Caylee and they will have a really big problem. Some people will sue their pants off. Or something

[deacon]

Hmmm looks like someone turned the camera around. I wonder why.

[One2Snoop]

Hmmm looks like someone turned the camera around. I wonder why.

Murt turned the camera. They are stopped along side the road and murt is doing an interview with PBS or some reporter.

[One2Snoop]

Live Stream -

Confrontation with Cindy today is supposed to be on the news at 5 - channel 6?

[deacon]

Murt turned the camera. They are stopped along side the road and murt is doing an interview with PBS or some reporter.

Thanks one2. Something just hit me between the eyes:punch: This is the first time I can remember cindy going out of her way to protest a search for a dead Caylee. And just in this one place, so far. Does she know something that we don't? Does she know that this is the place or very close to the place?

[One2Snoop]

Tempers flared when George and Cindy Anthony arrived at the search scene. (11/10/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17949691/index.html

[mu8shark]

Man doing live stream just reported it has been told at the dive area and yet to be confirmed divers were unable to go in early this a.m. as planned as the Anthony's and their attorney were trying to stop the dive from being conducted. As he said yet to be confirmed. What the hay-if this is true here we go again. Oh man i better vent here so no highway road rage on my part today:D What? What? What right do the Anthonys have legal or otherwise to stop a dive? Is that park their land? I think not. Not only that but this is just immoral them trying to stop searchers from locating Caylee. I, boy they make me steaming mad. If this is true it is just outrageous!

[mu8shark]

Tempers flared when George and Cindy Anthony arrived at the search scene. (11/10/08)

http://www.wftv.com/video/17949691/index.htmlcan someone do me a favor and give me a little summary of this video? Again I have no sound and am dying to know what Cindy and George are confronting about. Or if there is a written story somewhere, can someone provide the link? I really would like to know what is going on. I am looking at all of the tips that came in.

[One2Snoop]

Dive Search For Caylee Unfruitful; Anthonys Lash Out At Bounty Hunter
Girl Last Seen In Mid-June

POSTED: 7:50 am EST November 10, 2008
UPDATED: 5:09 pm EST November 10, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- A dive search for Caylee Anthony led by Leonard Padilla, who bailed the missing girl's mother, Casey, out of jail months ago, turned up nothing on Monday, and the celebrity bounty hunter said he will hold a memorial service for the girl, a move that angered Caylee's grandparents.

George and Cindy Anthony went to Blanchard Park, where Padilla's divers were searching the Little Econ River for Caylee, and lashed out at him, not for the search but because he said he will conduct a memorial for Caylee.

"No one here is giving a flipping, God's anything about her, except us two right here," said Cindy Anthony while pointing to her husband, George Anthony. "I'm not on TV every night on Nancy Grace with this stuff."

"Do you think it's all about publicity for him?" Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest asked Cindy Anthony.

"What do you think?" she replied. "I have not a problem with him being out here. I have a problem with him having a memorial service for Caylee (on Tuesday)," Cindy Anthony said. "You'd have a problem with it, too."

"Why do you feel it's your place to host (a memorial service)?" DeForest asked Padilla.

"Nobody else is doing it," he said. "You want to do it?"

Padilla said despite the Anthonys' protest, the service will be held at the park. Padilla said he believes Caylee is dead and that her body is likely somewhere in the river.

"I haven't got a clue what she's thinking or why she even bothered to come out here," Padilla said of Cindy Anthony. "She knows exactly who I am, and what I'm about."

Padilla said he will not lead any more searches for Caylee and only expects to be in Orlando for a few more days.

Padilla said he received a tip from a friend of Casey Anthony, leading to the dive search. Padilla said the friend showed him a picture of a cross that she had taken at Blanchard Park and it matched some arts and crafts that were in Anthony's room.

"She could have easily gone to the park, taken the body out, ruptured the bag when she pulled the body out of the trunk -- which left fluids in the trunk -- gotten it all over herself, taken it to the edge of the water and dumped it in there," Padilla said.

Padilla said that theory would explain a stain on one of Anthony's shirts that Cindy Anthony cleaned before it was turned over to investigators.

Casey Anthony, 22, remains jailed on murder charges.

http://www.local6.com/news/17945241/detail.html

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[One2Snoop]

Angry Confrontation with Padilla

Slide Show
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/17949917/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b

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[One2Snoop]

A celebrity bounty hunter is again at the center of the Caylee Anthony story. Anthony's lash out at Padilla Regarding Memorial Service

Video
http://www.local6.com/video/17947496/index.html

[One2Snoop]

can someone do me a favor and give me a little summary of this video? Again I have no sound and am dying to know what Cindy and George are confronting about. Or if there is a written story somewhere, can someone provide the link? I really would like to know what is going on. I am looking at all of the tips that came in.

Cindy's upset with Padilla because he's hosting a memorial service for Caylee at the park Tuesday morning - Cindy doesn't think its his place to do that.

[mu8shark]

Bad news on the rest of the documents they released Nov 6, many are so faint they are impossible to read, however I did get curious about the tips they released and went through one full set about one hundred pages. I do not know if I want to put them up as all are from psychics, people simply giving advice, those who had dreams . Some are way out there , most are based on what they heard on tv. However one thing I noticed right away is that all the tips Cindy is talking about, Caylee being maybe in Georgia, NC, SC or Texas, NY and NJ are all from this first batch of tips from psychics. None and I mean none are actual sightings,.not one single one says I saw Caylee or my aunt says she saw Caylee, they are" I am a psychic and I had a vision or I dreamed this and saw Caylee in the dream." Also and this is the kicker the story about how Casey is too scared to tell the truth because someone is threatening her, guess where her parents seem to have gotten that idea? Many even say it is a exboyfriend or Caylees father who is threatening her. Guess Cindy got the blame Jesse Grund idea from that. Got those ideas I suspect from psychics. Some of them seem to have suggested a defense. It is mind boggling, I would at least expect some of the tips Cindy referred to be from actual sightings but no.... Baez is going to have a hard time with these tips proving she is out there. The psychics and dreamers are out there but not Caylee. I went through about 100 pages and it is not as hard as it sounds because some are as simple as Caylee is dead, Caylee is buried in Backyard, Casey and Caylee had love hate relationship and Casey is all about Casey. Kind of no brainers, I am not sure that is psychic. I will post the summary on another thread if you all think you would be interested in the details. I mean I was not sure you would want to read through them,It would be about as long as Georges interview thread. Maybe this summary is enough, if not hey I am off and bored. So let me know ladies and laddies.

[lorettalockhorn]

Just watching the live stream and they are talking about Cindy showing up at the Park and :eek: acting out - anyone surprised? :rolleyes:

Not at all. She could have called or emailed LP. But Nooooooooo She had to go for the pub and make sure everyone within shouting distance knows that she and George are the only ones who have the rights to Caylee's vigil(s). Trash. Pure and unadulterated.

Tire would float. It is full of air.

The divers would understand that if there is a body there, it will not be near where it was thrown in unless it was weighted. Depending on what was used, if it were weighted, the rope or what ever could have rotted and the body could be anywhere. With the storms down there it really could be anywhere.

My spare weighs a ton full of air or not. I realize that Casey doesn't drive a land yacht like mine, and her tires are smaller, but I wonder if she would even be able to lift a spare and toss it. I suppose if she figured out a way to secure Caylee onto the tire (with the rim), she might roll it into the river.