Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[tv]

Leonard Padilla gets me so frustrated. He seems to know a heck of a lot. How about those two cans of deodordant which were inside of one bag and then inside a target bag? Let's pray that there's a Target receipt with deodorant. She was probably trying to kill the stench of the body.

And then there's the gold cross bought at JCPenneys. I could not understand why one of the phonecalls Casey made from her cell phone at the airport grounds was to JCPenneys. Now it makes sense. She bought two crosses. Probably put one on the body and kept one for herself as a momento of Caylee (or a trophy of the kill). I'm thinking she bought one cross, left it with Caylee and then thought of getting one for herself and called to see if they had it in stock. Or, she thought of the crosses as an afterthought, went to buy two, and then went back and left on on the body. Could explain the two sightings of the white car but one day with a shovel and the other day without.

Maybe when Padilla is here I should just try to meet him and get him all liquored up and have him spill the beans. :D:o

The gold cross theory reminds me of the Diane Downs case. IIRC, she bought something as a momento of her children before attempting to kill them -- I think it was a unicorn.

[Gatordog]

The gold cross theory reminds me of the Diane Downs case. IIRC, she bought something as a momento of her children before attempting to kill them -- I think it was a unicorn.

Hi TVD - you are absolutely right! Now, if she happened to buy or order those crosses before the 15th of June - it's premeditation.

[tv]

Hi TVD - you are absolutely right! Now, if she happened to buy or order those crosses before the 15th of June - it's premeditation.I agree! I started out thinking this was an accident but I'm starting to lean the other way.

[lorettalockhorn]

This really does call George's recollection of seeing Casey and Calylee at 1 p.m. on June 16th into question. I believe she did leave the house the night of the 15th after the fight and deliberately, not accidentally, killed Caylee. She took all her hostility and frustration towards her mother out on that child.

Also, she told the detectives that she waited until 7 p.m. for the babysitter to return and she was "frantic". So frantic that less than one hour later she was making time with the boyfriend looking for killer movies to rent.

Yep. Found this at WFTV:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17841872/index.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Last night on NG Leonard Padilla said Lee Anthony sent a letter (email) to people asking them not to donate to TES. Has anyone heard anything about that or have an opinion? I find it awful, even if they want to claim she is still alive for the sake of casey's case, they should in their hearts want to bring that little body home.

From NG transcript, 10/29:

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is for Leonard Padilla. Does Leonard believe that Casey still has an accomplice?

GRACE: Leonard?

PADILLA: Not at the -- not at the time that she killed the child. Possibly since then individuals have taken up helping her and -- and to some extent Lee himself just sent out an e-mail to a lot of people, stating do not send money to Tim Miller at Equusearch. I don`t want him involved anymore.

A very rude, very rude letter to a gentleman that has done nothing but help the Anthony family. Now if that means that he`s got something that he doesn`t want found, who knows?



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/29/ng.01.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Leonard Padilla gets me so frustrated. He seems to know a heck of a lot. How about those two cans of deodordant which were inside of one bag and then inside a target bag? Let's pray that there's a Target receipt with deodorant. She was probably trying to kill the stench of the body.

And then there's the gold cross bought at JCPenneys. I could not understand why one of the phonecalls Casey made from her cell phone at the airport grounds was to JCPenneys. Now it makes sense. She bought two crosses. Probably put one on the body and kept one for herself as a momento of Caylee (or a trophy of the kill). I'm thinking she bought one cross, left it with Caylee and then thought of getting one for herself and called to see if they had it in stock. Or, she thought of the crosses as an afterthought, went to buy two, and then went back and left on on the body. Could explain the two sightings of the white car but one day with a shovel and the other day without.

Maybe when Padilla is here I should just try to meet him and get him all liquored up and have him spill the beans. :D:o

From NG transcript, 10/29:

GRACE: I want to go out to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter who is now rounding up bounty hunters across the country to join in the search for Caylee, he`s joining us out of Sacramento, California.

Leonard, thanks for being with us. What can you tell me? Can you enlighten me about a new theory that has just been put out there that mom Casey Anthony purchased two crosses from JCPenney`s, one of which she put on little Caylee`s body?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, MET WITH TOT CASE INVESTIGATORS: Well, we started -- myself and Rob started asking about this when we were back there, because Cindy -- when we asked her about the crosses she bought, and where she bought it, she says she bought it at JCPenney`s and bought it for Caylee, which struck us as a bit strange.

So here, two weeks ago, we started checking to see if there was two crosses that had been purchased, one for her and one for Caylee. Now that in and of itself is something that the FBI, I think, has the answer to.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/29/ng.01.html

[Brainstorm]

Last night on NG Leonard Padilla said Lee Anthony sent a letter (email) to people asking them not to donate to TES. Has anyone heard anything about that or have an opinion? I find it awful, even if they want to claim she is still alive for the sake of casey's case, they should in their hearts want to bring that little body home.
Unreal, isnt it? So Lee wants to play,now?
I'd happily be your tour guide.

I wish they could mentally torture her. How wonderful would it be if they could play over and over again, the sound from the video of Caylee singing You are my Sunshine? Play it 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Sort of like The Telltale Heart.

If someone has heard that please tell me if you heard her say "Please don't take Nan's Sunshine Away". I think Cindy used to sing it to her with the word Nan in there to refer to herself. Maybe seeing that was the icing on the cake for Casey and she wanted to "take Nan's sunshine away" for good to hurt Cindy in the worst possible way.:(

Thats EXACTLY what she needs,mental torture.
Only half that time,gator, I want her to hear little Caylee singing,
" This little light of mine,Im gonna let it shine,
this little light of mine, Im gonna let it shine,
Let it shine,let it shine,let it shine"

imo

[applesandorange]

:eek: Movies Casey rented...

The new photos show Casey without Caylee, arm in arm with her boyfriend, after they chose two movies to rent. One rented was "Untraceable," about a kidnapper and killer. The other was "Jumper," about a mother who abandons her 5-year-old child, who then can teleport himself.


I just wanted to pop in here to let you all know that my husband and I are movie fanatics. Once the kiddies are in bed we cuddle up on the sofa and watch whatever the newest movie on On Demand is. I have seen both of these movies. The first one Untraceable is very gorey and at times I couldn't even look at the t.v. I definitely couldn't have sat through that movie if my child was missing. It showed live killings on the internet. The first part of it the guy was killing a cat. I couldn't stand it. It was so sad. It then went on to killing people. It was horrendous. Not a good movie if your child is missing IMO. The second movie, Jumper was really kinda stupid IMO. It was comic bookey. The mother abandoning her child doesn't even really come into play until the boy is grown and finds out his mother was a jumper too. He finds out that she abandoned him for reasons that had to do with his jumping abilities. It wasn't a movie that was set up around his mom aboandoning him. In fact IMO her abandoning her child had very little to do with the movie until the end. It was more of a good vs. evil movie. Like X Men.

[applesandorange]

Last night on NG Leonard Padilla said Lee Anthony sent a letter (email) to people asking them not to donate to TES. Has anyone heard anything about that or have an opinion? I find it awful, even if they want to claim she is still alive for the sake of casey's case, they should in their hearts want to bring that little body home.


I had never counted Lee out of helping Casey to cover up the murder. This kind of information IMO just makes me think he had something to do with the cover up and is now trying to hide it. If they really believed Caylee was alive why would they even care if TES was searching? If they knew that Caylee was alive wouldn't they just be like do what you do but it's fruitless? I mean why go to all the trouble of telling people not to donate money? Why do they even care UNLESS they are hiding something.

[lorettalockhorn]

I just wanted to pop in here to let you all know that my husband and I are movie fanatics. Once the kiddies are in bed we cuddle up on the sofa and watch whatever the newest movie on On Demand is. I have seen both of these movies. The first one Untraceable is very gorey and at times I couldn't even look at the t.v. I definitely couldn't have sat through that movie if my child was missing. It showed live killings on the internet. The first part of it the guy was killing a cat. I couldn't stand it. It was so sad. It then went on to killing people. It was horrendous. Not a good movie if your child is missing IMO. The second movie, Jumper was really kinda stupid IMO. It was comic bookey. The mother abandoning her child doesn't even really come into play until the boy is grown and finds out his mother was a jumper too. He finds out that she abandoned him for reasons that had to do with his jumping abilities. It wasn't a movie that was set up around his mom aboandoning him. In fact IMO her abandoning her child had very little to do with the movie until the end. It was more of a good vs. evil movie. Like X Men.

Apples, that is why I posted the synopses and links to both movies, I sensed that the media was glomming onto that bit from Jumper and somewhat sensationalizing it. As for Untraceable, just reading about it was abhorrent.

Casey's ability to sit on her arse and watch any movie while Caylee is missing is unbelievable to me. She is some cheap piece of work.

[applesandorange]

Apples, that is why I posted the synopses and links to both movies, I sensed that the media was glomming onto that bit from Jumper and somewhat sensationalizing it. As for Untraceable, just reading about it was abhorrent.

Casey's ability to sit on her arse and watch any movie while Caylee is missing is unbelievable to me. She is some cheap piece of work.


Yes you are right. I can't even fathom sitting and watching a movie if my child was missing. Have you considered that the defense might use that as a sspin? Like saying "well of course Casey thought Caylee was safe and with some she trusted otherwise how could a mother do these things?" I thought about that. What if they take all of Casey's behavior and spin it to make it seem like Casey thought Caylee was okay. To normal people how could anyone comprehend knowing their daughter is missing or dead and still party, watch movies etc? Just wondering your opinion on my thought.

[lorettalockhorn]

Apples, that is why I posted the synopses and links to both movies, I sensed that the media was glomming onto that bit from Jumper and somewhat sensationalizing it. As for Untraceable, just reading about it was abhorrent.

Casey's ability to sit on her arse and watch any movie while Caylee is missing is unbelievable to me. She is some cheap piece of work.


Yes you are right. I can't even fathom sitting and watching a movie if my child was missing. Have you considered that the defense might use that as a sspin? Like saying "well of course Casey thought Caylee was safe and with some she trusted otherwise how could a mother do these things?" I thought about that. What if they take all of Casey's behavior and spin it to make it seem like Casey thought Caylee was okay. To normal people how could anyone comprehend knowing their daughter is missing or dead and still party, watch movies etc? Just wondering your opinion on my thought.

I would be great spin!

Except she went from having left Caylee on the babysitter's steps to Caylee having been grabbed in the park. And spent the evening with the guy who told her that Caylee wasn't welcome to come along on their tryst.

The video of the two of them in the video store regardless of the movie titles really helps cinch The State's case iffen you ask me.

[Gatordog]

Apples, that is why I posted the synopses and links to both movies, I sensed that the media was glomming onto that bit from Jumper and somewhat sensationalizing it. As for Untraceable, just reading about it was abhorrent.

Casey's ability to sit on her arse and watch any movie while Caylee is missing is unbelievable to me. She is some cheap piece of work.


Yes you are right. I can't even fathom sitting and watching a movie if my child was missing. Have you considered that the defense might use that as a sspin? Like saying "well of course Casey thought Caylee was safe and with some she trusted otherwise how could a mother do these things?" I thought about that. What if they take all of Casey's behavior and spin it to make it seem like Casey thought Caylee was okay. To normal people how could anyone comprehend knowing their daughter is missing or dead and still party, watch movies etc? Just wondering your opinion on my thought.

Don't worry about it too much A&O. This is my scenario of the closing argument from the DA: So, the defendant is frantic, in her own words, because it's 7 p.m. and she had gone to the apartment, Blanchard Park, and some stores that Zenaida supposedly frequented and she couldn't find Caylee. So she goes to her boyfriend's house, jokes and fools around and then rents two horror movies and has dinner and fools around some more. She didn't leave a note on the apartment door for Zenaida, she doesn't tell her boyfriend at 8:30 to drive by the apartment to see if they're home, she doesn't call the police to see if there were any car accidents reported, she doesn't call the cell phone again. She's so frantic with worry and then she's calm and happy with her lover because Caylee is safe with Zenaida, who doesn't exist.

[applesandorange]

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I would be great spin!

Except she went from having left Caylee on the babysitter's steps to Caylee having been grabbed in the park. And spent the evening with the guy who told her that Caylee wasn't welcome to come along on their tryst.

The video of the two of them in the video store regardless of the movie titles really helps cinch The State's case iffen you ask me.


Oh I totally agree it wouldn't work but I bet this is the kind of spin they are going to try to use. Casey has told too many lies for the jury to believe anything the defense says IMO

[applesandorange]

[QUOTE=applesandorange;9135100]

Don't worry about it too much A&O. This is my scenario of the closing argument from the DA: So, the defendant is frantic, in her own words, because it's 7 p.m. and she had gone to the apartment, Blanchard Park, and some stores that Zenaida supposedly frequented and she couldn't find Caylee. So she goes to her boyfriend's house, jokes and fools around and the rents two horror movies and has dinner. She doesn't leave a note on the apartment door for Zenaida, she doesn't tell her boyfriend at 8:30 to drive by the apartment to see if they're home, she doesn't call the police to see if there were any car accidents reported, she doesn't call the cell phone again. She's so frantic and then she's calm because she believes Caylee is safe with Zenaida, who doesn't exist.


I'm not worried Gator. Just trying to think of what the defense could possibly say. ANYTHING they say IMO just won't make any sense once the jury here's LE's evidence. Have you heard any new news down there? I always look for your updates.

[Gatordog]

I drove by that Blockbuster Video just today at lunchtime and it made me so upset to think about Casey.

She looked very familiar to me when I first saw her on TV so it's possible that I've run into her in the past - no not at lounge. :rolleyes: To think that I might have driven next to her car while that poor child was in the trunk brings me close to tears.

Regarding Loretta's reminding us that Casey also said that Caylee was taken from Blanchard Park. Well, Casey probably forgot that a young woman was murdered there on June 10 and her body was found on June 11. For well over one week the park was covered with news cameras, police, there were searchers all over the place looking for clues and evidence. People weren't even going there. I bet you they have news film of the park from June 16 and she isn't on it.

[Gatordog]

WKMG news said they were going to have a special report tonight at 11 p.m. on the timeline of the day Caylee might have died. It said it had new evidence to show. So check on their website tonight. www.wkmg.com

[SaraSidle]

G'Morning Sara :seeya:

The wait is very positive. It is cold down here and it's going to benefit the search. Grass hasn't grown in about two weeks and it's starting to die off in some places. The searchers will have an easier time with the brush being thinner and the weather being cooler.

Gator

I know it is better. I appreciate your update on conditions and I also want her found before much more decomp takes place. just feel impatient is all imo sara

[applesandorange]

WKMG news said they were going to have a special report tonight at 11 p.m. on the timeline of the day Caylee might have died. It said it had new evidence to show. So check on their website tonight. www.wkmg.com


Thanks Gator! I will check it out tonight. Maybe you seen her at Target or the grocery store. I understand why it makes you sad thinking maybe you seen her while Caylee was in the trunk. (((Hugs)))

[applesandorange]

I know it is better. I appreciate your update on conditions and I also want her found before much more decomp takes place. just feel impatient is all imo sara


I know how you feel Sara. I'm impatient too. I understand why they are waiting but I just want the show on the road. I want her body found like yesterday.

[SaraSidle]

Leonard Padilla gets me so frustrated. He seems to know a heck of a lot. How about those two cans of deodordant which were inside of one bag and then inside a target bag? Let's pray that there's a Target receipt with deodorant. She was probably trying to kill the stench of the body.

And then there's the gold cross bought at JCPenneys. I could not understand why one of the phonecalls Casey made from her cell phone at the airport grounds was to JCPenneys. Now it makes sense. She bought two crosses. Probably put one on the body and kept one for herself as a momento of Caylee (or a trophy of the kill). I'm thinking she bought one cross, left it with Caylee and then thought of getting one for herself and called to see if they had it in stock. Or, she thought of the crosses as an afterthought, went to buy two, and then went back and left on on the body. Could explain the two sightings of the white car but one day with a shovel and the other day without.

Maybe when Padilla is here I should just try to meet him and get him all liquored up and have him spill the beans. :D:o

I think that is great cause Padilla does a lot of implying but does not go through with it. Granted NG interupts a lot but I think a lot what he does is like those psychics guessing. Remember when he was convinced Caylee was in the dumpster and now he is singing a different tune. he is going to help Tim Miller look near the airport....... makes me have some doubt. see what you can do please.....................sara

[SaraSidle]

[QUOTE=Gatordog;9135105]


I'm not worried Gator. Just trying to think of what the defense could possibly say. ANYTHING they say IMO just won't make any sense once the jury here's LE's evidence. Have you heard any new news down there? I always look for your updates.

I agree applesand orange. I can see the defense saying either way Casey know who had Caylee so she felt comfortable enough about her actions and kept looking for Zenaida at bars for weeks. I see Reasonable doubt all over the place. Evidence is sounding possible. but not necessarily probable. Could be a problem if we do not find Caylee. IMO sara

[SaraSidle]

I know how you feel Sara. I'm impatient too. I understand why they are waiting but I just want the show on the road. I want her body found like yesterday.

I hope someone is able to copy the 11 o clock wkfg report.
You know Nancy always start her show with breaking news whether there is any or not. I hope it is good........imo sara

[SaraSidle]

I hope someone is able to copy the 11 o clock wkfg report.
You know Nancy always start her show with breaking news whether there is any or not. I hope it is good........imo sara

wkmg is in Orlando so it be 11pm est

[lorettalockhorn]

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Oh I totally agree it wouldn't work but I bet this is the kind of spin they are going to try to use. Casey has told too many lies for the jury to believe anything the defense says IMO

She's like a rat in a maze; running out of exit routes. She's a great example of why lies don't work; it's her own words that are going to make this ding nigh impossible to spin.

[lorettalockhorn]

WKMG news said they were going to have a special report tonight at 11 p.m. on the timeline of the day Caylee might have died. It said it had new evidence to show. So check on their website tonight. www.wkmg.com

Thanks for the headsup, Gator!

[SaraSidle]

help me beemeup what is this about the crucifixes? I am confused. Do we have any evidence on who bought them when and is Caylee maybe wearing one of them? I am not following

[SaraSidle]

Hi sara :seeya: I am going by what is said on prior posts. on pg 116. Not sure of all the details but if Padilla knows about?? One posts quotes Cindy saying she had purchased one for Caylee from Penny's Is she lying again??? I just thought it interesting as i am sure it came out in the police interview with Cindy that when she dragged casey home that night Casey had her J.C. Penny credit card in her napsack. I could be wrong. Sure i heard it on one of the video tapes with detectives. MOO:rose:

thanks beemeup. You know I am still not thinking there is a relevance here maybe cause I cannot understand it. the only cross I saw on Casey was when she wore that rosary one day. I think I am overdosing on info LOL. glad I am not LE

[SaraSidle]

thanks beemeup. You know I am still not thinking there is a relevance here maybe cause I cannot understand it. the only cross I saw on Casey was when she wore that rosary one day. I think I am overdosing on info LOL. glad I am not LE

Does anyone remember the Simon Birch movie?

Sounds like defense is going for chain of evidence on the car per Nancy Grace show. IMO

[SaraSidle]

I think i am saturated as well sara. I remember the name of the movie but cant recall that i saw it. Well if thats the way they go its one of two things. They want us to buy that somebody else put a dead body in the trunk. Or somebody else put Caylee in the trunk. Then they would have to admit they dont think Caylee is alive. Either way it is sooooooo lame. MOO:rose:

Oh man you are so right beemeup. I am trying to figure out if Cindy,Casey and Caylee had the same necklaces and when did it happen and not getting anywhere. My other problem is the gray pants brought up by Brainstorm.
I know the trunk smelled like decomp and hair and a bag found in there. Good dogs. now on the other hand what aboutthe shoes,doll,carseat and pants inside the car? Cindy said the pants smelled so bad she washed them. what about the rest of the car? Did it also smell like Decomp? Could Caylee could have beem moved around so much that the inside of the car and her gray pants wouild smell like decompostion? IMO sara

[applesandorange]

Oh man you are so right beemeup. I am trying to figure out if Cindy,Casey and Caylee had the same necklaces and when did it happen and not getting anywhere. My other problem is the gray pants brought up by Brainstorm.
I know the trunk smelled like decomp and hair and a bag found in there. Good dogs. now on the other hand what aboutthe shoes,doll,carseat and pants inside the car? Cindy said the pants smelled so bad she washed them. what about the rest of the car? Did it also smell like Decomp? Could Caylee could have beem moved around so much that the inside of the car and her gray pants wouild smell like decompostion? IMO sara


Remember in Lee's statement he said that when he went into the garage all the car dooes were open and the windows rolled down to air the car out of that smell?

[SaraSidle]

Remember in Lee's statement he said that when he went into the garage all the car dooes were open and the windows rolled down to air the car out of that smell?

That is so bad a&o. that means that she kept Caylee in the trunk and in the back seat. I hate knowing that but I appreciate the reminder. things are colder than I thought..............IMO sara

[applesandorange]

That is so bad a&o. that means that she kept Caylee in the trunk and in the back seat. I hate knowing that but I appreciate the reminder. things are colder than I thought..............IMO sara


You don't think the smell could have come from the trunk and just seeped into the car? In some cars you can actually climb into the trunk from the backseat like if you laid the seats down you could climb back there. Maybe the smell could come through?

[lorettalockhorn]

WKMG news said they were going to have a special report tonight at 11 p.m. on the timeline of the day Caylee might have died. It said it had new evidence to show. So check on their website tonight. www.wkmg.com

Checked their site, but just not finding anything new or anything about the timeline. (Probably right in front of me.)

[SaraSidle]

You don't think the smell could have come from the trunk and just seeped into the car? In some cars you can actually climb into the trunk from the backseat like if you laid the seats down you could climb back there. Maybe the smell could come through?

I am not arguing A&O you could be absolutely right. If the pants were In the trunk with Caylee and then moved to the back seat after she was removed from the trunk says a lot to me. I do not know where LE stands with this but we are thinking movement to sandbox, play box, trunk and back seat. and the worst part is we do not know the level of decomp for each individual location. So there are still many unanswered quetions unfortunatel

[browneyes106]

I missed Nancy Grace tonight. I remember the cross necklaces were discussed last night and I didn't understand. I agree with Sara I do remember seeing Casey on tv and in pictures wearing what looked like a rosary.

[Gatordog]

thanks beemeup. You know I am still not thinking there is a relevance here maybe cause I cannot understand it. the only cross I saw on Casey was when she wore that rosary one day. I think I am overdosing on info LOL. glad I am not LE

Casey's cellphone shows a call was placed to JCPenneys from the location near the airport. Cindy's Penney's credit card shows two cross necklaces were purchased from JCPenney's. Cindy is saying she bought a cross for Caylee. But they are saying two were purchased. It is a theory that Casey bought them and put one on the body of Caylee. So, if a cross or two crosses were purchased who actually bought them since Casey had the credit card and where are they?

[Gatordog]

Oh man you are so right beemeup. I am trying to figure out if Cindy,Casey and Caylee had the same necklaces and when did it happen and not getting anywhere. My other problem is the gray pants brought up by Brainstorm.
I know the trunk smelled like decomp and hair and a bag found in there. Good dogs. now on the other hand what aboutthe shoes,doll,carseat and pants inside the car? Cindy said the pants smelled so bad she washed them. what about the rest of the car? Did it also smell like Decomp? Could Caylee could have beem moved around so much that the inside of the car and her gray pants wouild smell like decompostion? IMO sara

My theory is the body was only in the trunk but Casey got some of the fluids on those pants when she was moving the body. Even after the body was removed from the car, the fluids were still in the trunk and were getting more decomposed and causing a greater odor each day. The trunk smell started to permeate the inside of the car.

Two years ago I had a 22 oz can of dog food fall out of the bag and went into the wheel well of the car. Months later, during August, the can must have exploded due to the heat. Well, each time I opened the trunk, it smelled but I thought it was mildew due to rain. Then after the car sat for the weekend without the windows being opened or anything, I got in and holy mackeral it was horrible. I drove with the windows open. I stopped at Kmart and opened to trunk to put something in and I almost got sick. When I got home I took everything out of the trunk and there was the most disgusting horrible sight with maggots. I had to clean it out and a friend suggested I use a cleaner that is made to remove animal odors. The reason I bring this long story up is because the smell started in the trunk but it rose to disgusting levels within the car itself. Florida can be a very unfriendly state in the summer.:eek:

[Gatordog]

Of course I managed to fall asleep and not see the news at 11:00 but I'll keep checking the website. I did see the tail end of it this morning. Showed C&G still insisting that Caylee is alive and there is a story and they are getting closer and we will all know about it soon.

I have a feeling of dread coming over me and I hope that you will all tell me I'm being ridiculous. I keep thinking of C&G's last visit to Casey in jail for 45 minutes and they came out crying. What if she does have a story that she cooked up about drug dealers or murders taking Caylee and holding her so Casey doesn't talk. Do you think that it is plausible that during this last visit, she told her parents, I'm going to tell you what happened but don't ask me any questions. She goes into this story of Caylee being taken as a hostage and so on. Fast forward to the trial and Baez has Cindy on the stand and says I'm going to play something for you and I want you to tell me if it's accurate. Now the jury has Casey's story without her ever taking the stand. Of course, the DA would ask Cindy how many times has Casey lied in the past? Baez may have orchestrated this whole sham.

Speaking of Baez - jail officials have told him twice - twice! that no physcial contact between him and the defendant is allowed. He has been seen hugging her in jail. :eek::mad: Guess that explains the six hours everyday in his office.:flamemad:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html

[deacon]

Of course I managed to fall asleep and not see the news at 11:00 but I'll keep checking the website. I did see the tail end of it this morning. Showed C&G still insisting that Caylee is alive and there is a story and they are getting closer and we will all know about it soon.

I have a feeling of dread coming over me and I hope that you will all tell me I'm being ridiculous. I keep thinking of C&G's last visit to Casey in jail for 45 minutes and they came out crying. What if she does have a story that she cooked up about drug dealers or murders taking Caylee and holding her so Casey doesn't talk. Do you think that it is plausible that during this last visit, she told her parents, I'm going to tell you what happened but don't ask me any questions. She goes into this story of Caylee being taken as a hostage and so on. Fast forward to the trial and Baez has Cindy on the stand and says I'm going to play something for you and I want you to tell me if it's accurate. Now the jury has Casey's story without her ever taking the stand. Of course, the DA would ask Cindy how many times has Casey lied in the past? Baez may have orchestrated this whole sham.

Speaking of Baez - jail officials have told him twice - twice! that no physcial contact between him and the defendant is allowed. He has been seen hugging her in jail. :eek::mad: Guess that explains the six hours everyday in his office.:flamemad:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html

I really am not suprised by c&g still saying this. That is the same story that has been theirs from the first almost. Remember, they are watching the people who have Caylee. Or so they say. That is why this is so much *bull* to me. If they knew where she was they would have LE involved.

That type of story would not be unusual for these people. Still doesn't explain casey's actions during this whole thing. I really doubt someone would hold a three year old for this long. Doesn't make sense to me.

[Avad1228]

Sounds like the lawyer is hooking up with the damsel in distress. Good way to kill a career. Did anyone see the fox video with the picture in the background? Spooky, even if it turns out to be reflection from a picture or something you would think it would give C&G the willys. Im not sure what the rented movies mean other than what we know-- This is one cold hearted bee, and maybe that the boyfriend helped in some way although I personally think she would have acted alone and then picked him up for an alibi. A secret is only a secret if only one person knows it. I dont think she told the parents anything at all, she is going to stay silent in hopes she will get off--the ultimate revenge.

[applesandorange]

Of course I managed to fall asleep and not see the news at 11:00 but I'll keep checking the website. I did see the tail end of it this morning. Showed C&G still insisting that Caylee is alive and there is a story and they are getting closer and we will all know about it soon.

I have a feeling of dread coming over me and I hope that you will all tell me I'm being ridiculous. I keep thinking of C&G's last visit to Casey in jail for 45 minutes and they came out crying. What if she does have a story that she cooked up about drug dealers or murders taking Caylee and holding her so Casey doesn't talk. Do you think that it is plausible that during this last visit, she told her parents, I'm going to tell you what happened but don't ask me any questions. She goes into this story of Caylee being taken as a hostage and so on. Fast forward to the trial and Baez has Cindy on the stand and says I'm going to play something for you and I want you to tell me if it's accurate. Now the jury has Casey's story without her ever taking the stand. Of course, the DA would ask Cindy how many times has Casey lied in the past? Baez may have orchestrated this whole sham.

Speaking of Baez - jail officials have told him twice - twice! that no physcial contact between him and the defendant is allowed. He has been seen hugging her in jail. :eek::mad: Guess that explains the six hours everyday in his office.:flamemad:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html


C&G keep saying soon. Soon we will all know the story. Soon Caylee will be home. Well soon never comes.

About Baez.... he's a snake. If he can't keep his hands off her even after he has been warned just imagine how much his hands were on her when they were alone in his office.

[applesandorange]

Sounds like the lawyer is hooking up with the damsel in distress. Good way to kill a career. Did anyone see the fox video with the picture in the background? Spooky, even if it turns out to be reflection from a picture or something you would think it would give C&G the willys. Im not sure what the rented movies mean other than what we know-- This is one cold hearted bee, and maybe that the boyfriend helped in some way although I personally think she would have acted alone and then picked him up for an alibi. A secret is only a secret if only one person knows it. I dont think she told the parents anything at all, she is going to stay silent in hopes she will get off--the ultimate revenge.


What picture are you talking about? I haven't heard this yet. I'm interested. Do you have a link to the picture?

[Gatordog]

mrs. Baez this is what mr. Baez needs :punch:

rotf lol

[Gatordog]

What picture are you talking about? I haven't heard this yet. I'm interested. Do you have a link to the picture?

I'm lost - :confused: - I don't know what your talking about and can't find it. Can you explain?

Gator

[Gatordog]

WKMG Timeline Report - video is to the right.

http://www.local6.com/news/17855547/detail.html

[applesandorange]

I'm lost - :confused: - I don't know what your talking about and can't find it. Can you explain?

Gator


I was asking Avad they posted this

Sounds like the lawyer is hooking up with the damsel in distress. Good way to kill a career. Did anyone see the fox video with the picture in the background? Spooky, even if it turns out to be reflection from a picture or something you would think it would give C&G the willys. Im not sure what the rented movies mean other than what we know-- This is one cold hearted bee, and maybe that the boyfriend helped in some way although I personally think she would have acted alone and then picked him up for an alibi. A secret is only a secret if only one person knows it. I dont think she told the parents anything at all, she is going to stay silent in hopes she will get off--the ultimate revenge.

[lorettalockhorn]

Good grief, wouldn't y'all think that Baez would know how to conduct himself during visitation?

As for G&C testifying to anything that Casey told them from her jail cell about the kidnappers, doesn't that fall under hearsay? Unless Casey herself is willing to be sworn in and cross examined, wouldn't the judge rule against such testimony? (I'm always confused by the nebulous definition of hearsay evidence.)

[lorettalockhorn]

Baez had no comment, but WFTV legal analyst Shaefer did about compromises and how it affects the case including the possibility of a new trial:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17855272/index.html

[deacon]

Baez had no comment, but WFTV legal analyst Shaefer did about compromises and how it affects the case including the possibility of a new trial:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17855272/index.html

I read that. He seems to fall in to the category of "not so smart." While it isn't illegal, it is unethical. If he is married it could lead to him having to hire a lawyer. If I did that, and I am old enough to be her father, my wife would kill me. And get away with it.:biggrin:

[Gatordog]

Good grief, wouldn't y'all think that Baez would know how to conduct himself during visitation?

As for G&C testifying to anything that Casey told them from her jail cell about the kidnappers, doesn't that fall under hearsay? Unless Casey herself is willing to be sworn in and cross examined, wouldn't the judge rule against such testimony? (I'm always confused by the nebulous definition of hearsay evidence.)

That's why I'm concerned - Cindy can't repeat what she's told because it's hearsay but can Baez play the video of the jail visit and have it come in under another ruling but the jury get to hear it? I've seen lots of video and phone recordings played during testimony.

[One2Snoop]

ROFLMAO...

Lola commented 4 hours 26 minutes ago
Guess Casey is in Jose's legal briefs. LOL

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html
(7th comment down)

[Notknowingall]

That's why I'm concerned - Cindy can't repeat what she's told because it's hearsay but can Baez play the video of the jail visit and have it come in under another ruling but the jury get to hear it? I've seen lots of video and phone recordings played during testimony.

Actually, Cindy could testify to the conversations and imo it would be allowed as an exception to the hearsay rule as Casey and her lawyers would be able to cross-examine Cindy on those statements:

Non-Hearsay under the Federal Rules
Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, two broad categories of statements are exempt from the rule's general definition. These are referred to as hearsay “exemptions” and are of two types:


Admission by party-opponent
Main article: Party admission
An admission by a party-opponent is a statement offered against another party that meets one of five criteria:

The party against whom the statement is being offered is also the declarant of that statement either personally or in a representative capacity.
The party against whom the statement is being offered manifested an adoption or belief in the statement's truth.
The party against whom the statement is being offered authorized the declarant to make the statement.
The statement is made by an agent of the party against whom it is being offered and concerns a matter within the scope of the employment and is made during the course of that employment.
The declarant was a co-conspirator of the party against whom the statement is being offered and the statement is in furtherance of their conspiracy.
The theory underlying this “exemption” is derived from the nature of the hearsay rule itself. The hearsay rule operates to exclude extra-judicial assertions as untrustworthy because they cannot be tested by cross-examination. When an assertion is offered into evidence against the defendant and the defendant objects, “hearsay,” the defendant is in essence saying “I object to this statement as untrustworthy because I am not afforded an opportunity to cross-examine the person who made it. How can we trust what he said?” But what if the defendant is the person who made the statement that is now being offered against him? To object, “hearsay” in this circumstance would be as absurd as to argue, “This statement is unreliable because I cannot cross-examine myself; therefore, how can I trust what I said?” In this situation the objection of the Hearsay rule falls away, because the very basis of the rule is lacking, viz. the need and prudence of affording an opportunity of cross-examination. Another way of looking at it is that a defendant who faces his own statement being used against him has an opportunity to cross-examine himself – he can take the witness stand and explain his prior assertion, so the rule is satisfied.


Prior statement by a witness
A prior statement is not hearsay if the person who made the statement (the "declarant") testifies at the trial or hearing subject to cross-examination, and (A) the prior statement is inconsistent with the declarant's testimony at the trial, etc., and the prior statement was given under oath at a trial, hearing, deposition, or other proceeding, or (B) the prior statement is consistent with the declarant's testimony, and is offered to rebut a charge that the declarant has made a recent fabrication, or a charge of the declarant's improper influence or motive, or (C) the prior statement was an identification of a person made after perceiving that person.

[lorettalockhorn]

Ok Ok I just read the article??? Baez states he didn't know the no contact rule. Now which time would that be Mr. Baez you didn't understand-the first time you where busted on it or the second sheeeeesh. I dont like where this is going. What the hay. Anybody with half a brain would :chicken::no:

He's not even death qualified; why is he visiting? Shouldn't the first chair attorney be the one making jailhouse visits?

hehehe Legal briefs.

Gator, just not sure. Someone needs to call in to NG and ask about the hearsay rule and how it applies to aliens having abducted Caylee and what Casey told G&C.

Oops! My bad. She was kidnapped by drug dealers. Drug dealers who live like gypsies; camping out in the woods. Sheesh They must be an embarrassment to self-respecting drug dealers everywhere.

[deacon]

He's not even death qualified; why is he visiting? Shouldn't the first chair attorney be the one making jailhouse visits?

hehehe Legal briefs.

Gator, just not sure. Someone needs to call in to NG and ask about the hearsay rule and how it applies to aliens having abducted Caylee and what Casey told G&C.

Oops! My bad. She was kidnapped by drug dealers. Drug dealers who live like gypsies; camping out in the woods. Sheesh They must be an embarrassment to self-respecting drug dealers everywhere.

I hope NG sees this article. She will have a field day with that one. She will go on, and on, and on, and on.............:)

[deputydi]

ROFLMAO...

Lola commented 4 hours 26 minutes ago
Guess Casey is in Jose's legal briefs. LOL

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html
(7th comment down)
BAEZ DIDN'T KNOW THE RULES?????????? What kind of a hack is he? I've never been inside a prison and, even I know the no contact rule.

[deputydi]

Actually, Cindy could testify to the conversations and imo it would be allowed as an exception to the hearsay rule as Casey and her lawyers would be able to cross-examine Cindy on those statements:<snip>

Isn't tihs why Amber Frey had to get on the stand and be subjected to cross examination when all the pros really needed was for the jury to hear those audio tapes. She (as the other party on the tapes) had to provide the foundation before they could be played. I would think the same would apply to the video tapes.

The jail house recordings could be different -- I don't know. Since both parties knew they were being recorded, do the same rules apply???

[SaraSidle]

My theory is the body was only in the trunk but Casey got some of the fluids on those pants when she was moving the body. Even after the body was removed from the car, the fluids were still in the trunk and were getting more decomposed and causing a greater odor each day. The trunk smell started to permeate the inside of the car.

Two years ago I had a 22 oz can of dog food fall out of the bag and went into the wheel well of the car. Months later, during August, the can must have exploded due to the heat. Well, each time I opened the trunk, it smelled but I thought it was mildew due to rain. Then after the car sat for the weekend without the windows being opened or anything, I got in and holy mackeral it was horrible. I drove with the windows open. I stopped at Kmart and opened to trunk to put something in and I almost got sick. When I got home I took everything out of the trunk and there was the most disgusting horrible sight with maggots. I had to clean it out and a friend suggested I use a cleaner that is made to remove animal odors. The reason I bring this long story up is because the smell started in the trunk but it rose to disgusting levels within the car itself. Florida can be a very unfriendly state in the summer.:eek:

I still like it better than snow gator. that is an interesting post. It shows the decomp can fill the car and the decomp does not take long to start. I think the body was gone before July 24th.........imo sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Can't vouch for this site, but it's less muddled than some I've read:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h007.htm

HEARSAY - Secondhand information that a witness only heard about from someone else and did not see or hear himself. Hearsay is not admitted in court because it's not trustworthy, as well as because of various constitutional principles such as the right to confront one's accusers, however, there are so many exceptions that often times hearsay is admitted more than excluded.

A statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. -- 28 USC

I]Hearsay is any statement made outside a hearing or trial which is presented at the hearing or trial to prove the truth of the contents of the statement. All evidence rules begin with the premise that hearsay cannot be used in court because secondhand testimony is considered unreliable and because the person who made the original statement is often unavailable for cross-examination. Statements in the forms of letters, affidavits, declarations, diaries, memos, oral statements, notes, computer files, legal documents, purchase receipts and contracts all constitute hearsay when they are offered to prove that their contents are true.

Testimony during a hearing or trial is not hearsay unless the witness tries to repeat something someone else said or wrote. In addition, a statement introduced to prove something other than its truth is not hearsay. For example, testimony may be offered to show the speaker's state of mind..../I]

[SaraSidle]

You don't think the smell could have come from the trunk and just seeped into the car? In some cars you can actually climb into the trunk from the backseat like if you laid the seats down you could climb back there. Maybe the smell could come through?

Well Gator told a story that it happened to him and it went throughout the car but thank goodness it was only dog food so You are probably right A&O imo sara

[SaraSidle]

Of course I managed to fall asleep and not see the news at 11:00 but I'll keep checking the website. I did see the tail end of it this morning. Showed C&G still insisting that Caylee is alive and there is a story and they are getting closer and we will all know about it soon.

I have a feeling of dread coming over me and I hope that you will all tell me I'm being ridiculous. I keep thinking of C&G's last visit to Casey in jail for 45 minutes and they came out crying. What if she does have a story that she cooked up about drug dealers or murders taking Caylee and holding her so Casey doesn't talk. Do you think that it is plausible that during this last visit, she told her parents, I'm going to tell you what happened but don't ask me any questions. She goes into this story of Caylee being taken as a hostage and so on. Fast forward to the trial and Baez has Cindy on the stand and says I'm going to play something for you and I want you to tell me if it's accurate. Now the jury has Casey's story without her ever taking the stand. Of course, the DA would ask Cindy how many times has Casey lied in the past? Baez may have orchestrated this whole sham.

Speaking of Baez - jail officials have told him twice - twice! that no physcial contact between him and the defendant is allowed. He has been seen hugging her in jail. :eek::mad: Guess that explains the six hours everyday in his office.:flamemad:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html


gosh Gator I do not doubt what you are saying at all. I have lots of feelings of dread about this case. Kidnapping is not a far stretch since that is her story and there is no body and C & G want to believe she is alive. I have been worrying myself about reasonable doubt big time. I wish I could help in the search cause it would make me feel like I am doing something......imo sara

[One2Snoop]

Sounds like the lawyer is hooking up with the damsel in distress. Good way to kill a career. Did anyone see the fox video with the picture in the background? Spooky, even if it turns out to be reflection from a picture or something you would think it would give C&G the willys. Im not sure what the rented movies mean other than what we know-- This is one cold hearted bee, and maybe that the boyfriend helped in some way although I personally think she would have acted alone and then picked him up for an alibi. A secret is only a secret if only one person knows it. I dont think she told the parents anything at all, she is going to stay silent in hopes she will get off--the ultimate revenge.

Here's the link to the video - its the last 5 seconds although I didn't see anything .... :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3152317&referralPlaylistId=playlist

[SaraSidle]

ROFLMAO...

Lola commented 4 hours 26 minutes ago
Guess Casey is in Jose's legal briefs. LOL

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html
(7th comment down)

One2Snoop please help. Maybe I have had to much candy already but what is the 7th comment (hint please). I love your avatar it is darling.....sara

[deputydi]

Can't vouch for this site, but it's less muddled than some I've read:

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/h007.htm

HEARSAY - Secondhand information that a witness only heard about from someone else and did not see or hear himself. Hearsay is not admitted in court because it's not trustworthy, as well as because of various constitutional principles such as the right to confront one's accusers, however, there are so many exceptions that often times hearsay is admitted more than excluded.

A statement, other than one made by the declarant while testifying at the trial or hearing, offered in evidence to prove the truth of the matter asserted. -- 28 USC

I]Hearsay is any statement made outside a hearing or trial which is presented at the hearing or trial to prove the truth of the contents of the statement. All evidence rules begin with the premise that hearsay cannot be used in court because secondhand testimony is considered unreliable and because the person who made the original statement is often unavailable for cross-examination. Statements in the forms of letters, affidavits, declarations, diaries, memos, oral statements, notes, computer files, legal documents, purchase receipts and contracts all constitute hearsay when they are offered to prove that their contents are true.

Testimony during a hearing or trial is not hearsay unless the witness tries to repeat something someone else said or wrote. In addition, a statement introduced to prove something other than its truth is not hearsay. For example, testimony may be offered to show the speaker's state of mind..../I]
Okay, but audio or video tapes of Casey wouldn't be considered heresay, would they? It is my understanding that, since they were both aware that their conversations were being recorded, one of the two parties would have to testify that that was her voice and identify to whom she was speaking. Baez can't possibly put Casey on the stand so that leaves Cindy, Lee or whoever was on the other end of those phone calls. They can be subpoened (sp?) and forced to testify.

I just don't know what the procedure is for the videos -- if, that is, the prosecution wants to enter them into evidence. I believe an expert would first have to view them and testify that they are an uncut, unedited version. :shrug:

Does anyone know the rule???

[deputydi]

gosh Gator I do not doubt what you are saying at all. I have lots of feelings of dread about this case. Kidnapping is not a far stretch since that is her story and there is no body and C & G want to believe she is alive. I have been worrying myself about reasonable doubt big time. I wish I could help in the search cause it would make me feel like I am doing something......imo sara
Call me naive, but I'm not a bit worried. It is undeniably tough to successfully prosecute without a body, but the forensics (IMO) more than make up for that.

[legalgrl73]

One2Snoop please help. Maybe I have had to much candy already but what is the 7th comment (hint please). I love your avatar it is darling.....sara



sara, One2Snoop was quoting what she read in the comment section of the article. In response to the article, Lola commented:
"Guess Casey is in Jose's legal briefs".

Its actually on page 2 of the comments now if you click on the link O2S posted. :)

[legalgrl73]

Okay, but audio or video tapes of Casey wouldn't be considered heresay, would they? It is my understanding that, since they were both aware that their conversations were being recorded, one of the two parties would have to testify that that was her voice and identify to whom she was speaking. Baez can't possibly put Casey on the stand so that leaves Cindy, Lee or whoever was on the other end of those phone calls. They can be subpoened (sp?) and forced to testify.

I just don't know what the procedure is for the videos -- if, that is, the prosecution wants to enter them into evidence. I believe an expert would first have to view them and testify that they are an uncut, unedited version. :shrug:

Does anyone know the rule???

Hi Deputydi,

As far as the videos go, they are not considered hearsay evidence. As far as submitting them into evidence, it really depends how the District Attorney/Sheriff's office got them and where they came from that would determine how to proceed.

[SaraSidle]

Actually, Cindy could testify to the conversations and imo it would be allowed as an exception to the hearsay rule as Casey and her lawyers would be able to cross-examine Cindy on those statements:

Non-Hearsay under the Federal Rules
Under the Federal Rules of Evidence, two broad categories of statements are exempt from the rule's general definition. These are referred to as hearsay “exemptions” and are of two types:


Admission by party-opponent
Main article: Party admission
An admission by a party-opponent is a statement offered against another party that meets one of five criteria:

The party against whom the statement is being offered is also the declarant of that statement either personally or in a representative capacity.
The party against whom the statement is being offered manifested an adoption or belief in the statement's truth.
The party against whom the statement is being offered authorized the declarant to make the statement.
The statement is made by an agent of the party against whom it is being offered and concerns a matter within the scope of the employment and is made during the course of that employment.
The declarant was a co-conspirator of the party against whom the statement is being offered and the statement is in furtherance of their conspiracy.
The theory underlying this “exemption” is derived from the nature of the hearsay rule itself. The hearsay rule operates to exclude extra-judicial assertions as untrustworthy because they cannot be tested by cross-examination. When an assertion is offered into evidence against the defendant and the defendant objects, “hearsay,” the defendant is in essence saying “I object to this statement as untrustworthy because I am not afforded an opportunity to cross-examine the person who made it. How can we trust what he said?” But what if the defendant is the person who made the statement that is now being offered against him? To object, “hearsay” in this circumstance would be as absurd as to argue, “This statement is unreliable because I cannot cross-examine myself; therefore, how can I trust what I said?” In this situation the objection of the Hearsay rule falls away, because the very basis of the rule is lacking, viz. the need and prudence of affording an opportunity of cross-examination. Another way of looking at it is that a defendant who faces his own statement being used against him has an opportunity to cross-examine himself – he can take the witness stand and explain his prior assertion, so the rule is satisfied.


Prior statement by a witness
A prior statement is not hearsay if the person who made the statement (the "declarant") testifies at the trial or hearing subject to cross-examination, and (A) the prior statement is inconsistent with the declarant's testimony at the trial, etc., and the prior statement was given under oath at a trial, hearing, deposition, or other proceeding, or (B) the prior statement is consistent with the declarant's testimony, and is offered to rebut a charge that the declarant has made a recent fabrication, or a charge of the declarant's improper influence or motive, or (C) the prior statement was an identification of a person made after perceiving that person.

Are you a lawyer?

[SaraSidle]

sara, One2Snoop was quoting what she read in the comment section of the article. In response to the article, Lola commented:
"Guess Casey is in Jose's legal briefs".

Its actually on page 2 of the comments now if you click on the link O2S posted. :)

Oh goodness legalgrl...............can I say duh. kids are going to be here any minute and I have a head cold and DH opened a back of chocolates darn him...........thank you so very much. I hate it when that happens.. sara

[lorettalockhorn]

Here's the link to the video - its the last 5 seconds although I didn't see anything .... :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3152317&referralPlaylistId=playlist

I don't see it either. Maybe someone will screencap for us?

[SaraSidle]

I don't see it either. Maybe someone will screencap for us?

I did not either but I am full of sugar.............not thinking clearly. imo sara

[legalgrl73]

I did not either but I am full of sugar.............not thinking clearly. imo sara


I didn't see anything either; must be chocolate intoxication I'm suffering from..hahaha!

[legalgrl73]

Oh goodness legalgrl...............can I say duh. kids are going to be here any minute and I have a head cold and DH opened a back of chocolates darn him...........thank you so very much. I hate it when that happens.. sara

You're welcome!

[One2Snoop]

One2Snoop please help. Maybe I have had to much candy already but what is the 7th comment (hint please). I love your avatar it is darling.....sara

:no: You'd better lay off that candy Sara LOL - :tongue:

Thanks for explaining Legalgrl73 and welcome to CL. :seeya: :beer:

Thanks goes to FDInLaw for the avatar. :cool:

[One2Snoop]

:no:

Jose Baez Faces Bar Investigation For Hugging Casey In Jail

http://www.wftv.com/video/17860395/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Is That The Ghost of A Missing Florida Toddler?

http://connect.kdwb.com/steveo/blog/2008/10/31/is_that_the_ghost_of_a_missing_florida_toddler_


I can see it now! :eek:

[deputydi]

Hi Deputydi,

As far as the videos go, they are not considered hearsay evidence. As far as submitting them into evidence, it really depends how the District Attorney/Sheriff's office got them and where they came from that would determine how to proceed.
What about the audio tapes? They are phone conversations between Casey and various other people and are recorded by the prison. Am I correct in thinking that the other party to the conversation would have to be put on the stand to lay the foundation for their admissibility?

[lorettalockhorn]

:no:

Jose Baez Faces Bar Investigation For Hugging Casey In Jail

http://www.wftv.com/video/17860395/index.html

He didn't know? Talk about a dumb Baeztard.

[One2Snoop]

Is That The Ghost of A Missing Florida Toddler?

http://connect.kdwb.com/steveo/blog/2008/10/31/is_that_the_ghost_of_a_missing_florida_toddler_


I can see it now! :eek:

Rumor is its from the reflection of one of Caylee's photo's. I can buy that.

[legalgrl73]

What about the audio tapes? They are phone conversations between Casey and various other people and are recorded by the prison. Am I correct in thinking that the other party to the conversation would have to be put on the stand to lay the foundation for their admissibility?

Hi Dd,

If they are indeed conversations recorded by the prison -- in most cases when a prisoner calls someone they have to call from a list of persons they submit to the prison. Records are kept of who the inmate calls, what time, etc. If this is the case in FL, then those records are pretty difficult to dispute and the other party may not have to take the stand to identify the other voice.

In general, usually yes, you are correct. The other party does usually take the stand to corroborate who in fact the two parties were that were speaking on the phone. However, unless Casey is trying to say that that is not her on the recordings, they generally will just question the other party, not to corroborate who the two parties talking were, regarding the content of their conversation. If someone is telling the court about a conversation they had with someone else, that is not hearsay. Hearsay is if you and I were having a conversation and you told me that "Bob" said "Boo", I couldn't tell the judge what you said Bob said. But any other part of our conversation would be admissible.

Sorry if I rambled, but there are so many "contingencies" when it comes to rules of evidence, that it is tough to explain. Hope that helps. Heather

[SaraSidle]

:no: You'd better lay off that candy Sara LOL - :tongue:

Thanks for explaining Legalgrl73 and welcome to CL. :seeya: :beer:

Thanks goes to FDInLaw for the avatar. :cool:

FdI you have outdone yourself. I cannot help it One2Snoop he held back the chocolates and the goblins are done

[grneyes]

Is That The Ghost of A Missing Florida Toddler?

http://connect.kdwb.com/steveo/blog/2008/10/31/is_that_the_ghost_of_a_missing_florida_toddler_


I can see it now! :eek:

To me it just looks like someone was walking around outside in the sunlight and the camera caught it. :shrug:

[Woostock]

I think Cindy is realizing she needed to be more protective of Caylee and was not there for her thus leading to her demise. The defense mechanism she is using is denial. It is always handy and there when you need it. I believe Cindy loved Caylee and at some level knew Casey would never get the mother of the year award and due to some argument or something of that nature Casey purposely or inadvertently caused Caylee's death. ( I think it was intentional ) So I think there is some guilt there, " I should have".....and uses the bogus reasoning that Caylee is alive and we shall all know soon ; ie. when Caylee returns. That family needed family counseling, all of them played a part in the family dynamics. Unfortunately Caylee paid the price; hopefully, the body or parts of it will be found and she can be properly buried.

[Brainstorm]

Cindy probably does feel some quilt. Instead of threatening Casey,with taking Caylee away from her, she should have DONE IT.
imo

[deputydi]

Hi Dd,

If they are indeed conversations recorded by the prison -- in most cases when a prisoner calls someone they have to call from a list of persons they submit to the prison. Records are kept of who the inmate calls, what time, etc. If this is the case in FL, then those records are pretty difficult to dispute and the other party may not have to take the stand to identify the other voice.

In general, usually yes, you are correct. The other party does usually take the stand to corroborate who in fact the two parties were that were speaking on the phone. However, unless Casey is trying to say that that is not her on the recordings, they generally will just question the other party, not to corroborate who the two parties talking were, regarding the content of their conversation. If someone is telling the court about a conversation they had with someone else, that is not hearsay. Hearsay is if you and I were having a conversation and you told me that "Bob" said "Boo", I couldn't tell the judge what you said Bob said. But any other part of our conversation would be admissible.

Sorry if I rambled, but there are so many "contingencies" when it comes to rules of evidence, that it is tough to explain. Hope that helps. Heather
Thanks for the explanation. I understood your "rambling" perfectly. LOL

[browneyes106]

The video of the "ghost" did creep me out. But I agree with others it could be a reflection of something else.

[deputydi]

Cindy probably does feel some quilt. Instead of threatening Casey,with taking Caylee away from her, she should have DONE IT.
imo
Taking a child away (legally) from a bio parent is not all that easy, Brain. From all indications, Casey wasn't addicted to drugs or alcohol, had never been arrested and the fact that she was a single mom who liked to party isn't enough to prove her unfit. Besides, I don't think Cindy ever, ever thought it would end like this.

[lorettalockhorn]

Taking a child away (legally) from a bio parent is not all that easy, Brain. From all indications, Casey wasn't addicted to drugs or alcohol, had never been arrested and the fact that she was a single mom who liked to party isn't enough to prove her unfit. Besides, I don't think Cindy ever, ever thought it would end like this.

dd, we've had reports that the therapist advised Cindy to obtain custody. I want to know what in the world was discussed in the therapy sessions for that to be suggested. Must have been a pretty dire situation. Was the therapist going to assist in Cindy's case? Who the heck was this therapist? Do we have more information along these lines?

You just have to wonder.

[Woostock]

I agree that Cindy probably never thought they'd be in the position they are in today with Caylee missing. And that, no doubt, has contributed to her using her defense mechanisms and adamently holding on to the belief that Caylee is still alive. I don't know if she could have gotten custody but she may have been able to get joint custody or something like that. But there are more troubling aspects of this case that really are bazaar such as the bogus baby sitter, employment status, etc. I can't understand for the life of me how Cindy wouldn't have the sitters complete address, phone number, etc. and certainly Casey's employment status. How could Casey pull all that off for an extended time? Is Cindy that stupid? Added to the dysfunction is the fact that Cindy and Casey were at odds much of the time and apparently Casey had huge resentments with her mother. Yikes, this family was in deep trouble. Caylee seemed to be caught between Cindy and Casey. When you look at the whole big picture Cindy has to use denial. It's the only thing left she has.

[applesandorange]

Here's the link to the video - its the last 5 seconds although I didn't see anything .... :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3152317&referralPlaylistId=playlist


Thanks. I remember when I first saw this on t.v. I thought what is that in the background. I just shrugged it off. I think it looks like someone walking around outside.

[applesandorange]

I agree that Cindy probably never thought they'd be in the position they are in today with Caylee missing. And that, no doubt, has contributed to her using her defense mechanisms and adamently holding on to the belief that Caylee is still alive. I don't know if she could have gotten custody but she may have been able to get joint custody or something like that. But there are more troubling aspects of this case that really are bazaar such as the bogus baby sitter, employment status, etc. I can't understand for the life of me how Cindy wouldn't have the sitters complete address, phone number, etc. and certainly Casey's employment status. How could Casey pull all that off for an extended time? Is Cindy that stupid? Added to the dysfunction is the fact that Cindy and Casey were at odds much of the time and apparently Casey had huge resentments with her mother. Yikes, this family was in deep trouble. Caylee seemed to be caught between Cindy and Casey. When you look at the whole big picture Cindy has to use denial. It's the only thing left she has.


I agree completely. This post is very good. The fact that Cindy didn't know where Caylee was a good chunk of the time has always bothered me. I never understood either why she didn't have the sitters phone number and address. Also how they didn't know Casey wasn't working. Did Casey just continuously steal from other people to make George and Cindy think she had money? Even then why was she stealing from her own grandparents and parents? Did a light bulb never go off for Cindy that said "maybe Casey doesn't have a job?"

[lorettalockhorn]

I agree that Cindy probably never thought they'd be in the position they are in today with Caylee missing. And that, no doubt, has contributed to her using her defense mechanisms and adamently holding on to the belief that Caylee is still alive. I don't know if she could have gotten custody but she may have been able to get joint custody or something like that. But there are more troubling aspects of this case that really are bazaar such as the bogus baby sitter, employment status, etc. I can't understand for the life of me how Cindy wouldn't have the sitters complete address, phone number, etc. and certainly Casey's employment status. How could Casey pull all that off for an extended time? Is Cindy that stupid? Added to the dysfunction is the fact that Cindy and Casey were at odds much of the time and apparently Casey had huge resentments with her mother. Yikes, this family was in deep trouble. Caylee seemed to be caught between Cindy and Casey. When you look at the whole big picture Cindy has to use denial. It's the only thing left she has.

Personally I think that Cindy is so self-absorbed that she just didn't give a rat's patootie. She enjoyed Caylee and those heartwarming and heartbreaking pictures and videos were easy for her to cajole. But when Casey packed Caylee up to go to the babysitter and present herself at work, I think Cindy was relieved. So much so that it never occurred to her that the babysitter was a phantom with no address and phone number. And that there were never calls to and from Casey to a job, never a paycheck, never a W-2 form in the mail for Casey to use on her tax return.

[applesandorange]

Personally I think that Cindy is so self-absorbed that she just didn't give a rat's patootie. She enjoyed Caylee and those heartwarming and heartbreaking pictures and videos were easy for her to cajole. But when Casey packed Caylee up to go to the babysitter and present herself at work, I think Cindy was relieved. So much so that it never occurred to her that the babysitter was a phantom with no address and phone number. And that there were never calls to and from Casey to a job, never a paycheck, never a W-2 form in the mail for Casey to use on her tax return.


I thought about that too Loretta. I keep comparing Cindy to my own mom and here's the thing, we, my husband, son and myself did live with my parents for a few months while my husband went to college. In that time my mom was more protective over my son than I was and I was VERY protective. I was 18 when I had him. If I asked anyone to babysit him for me my mom wouldn't allow it. SHE was the only one who she trusted to babysit him. Granted I never really did anything I needed a sitter for but I'm talking things like Christmas shopping, my husbands graduation ceremony, my cousins funeral etc.. The only other person I ever even asked to watch him was my cousin. At one point my mom had to work and so she had to allow my cousin to watch him. She was calling my cousin's house every 2 hours to make sure he was okay. My mom would NEVER have let me take him and not tell her exactly who he was going to be with, the phone number and the address. As you can probably tell my mother was a bit controlling. I always knew she meant well though. Anyway I just cannot understand how Cindy was fine with Casey taking Caylee and never knowing where she was. Mind boggling. You are right, she could have been relieved and Casey and Caylee always came home so she didn't ask questions when they were gone. She enjoyed it.

[Woostock]

Loretta you could very well be right....out of sight out of mind. If that was the case, her guilt must be at such a level that she has to use denial and convince herself that Caylee is still alive. I am sure I am not the only one who finds it odd that Cindy had no information on her daughter who lived with her. No emergency number, pediatrician, work number, etc. What a family!

[lorettalockhorn]

a&O and Woostock, I'm constantly amazed at how little people care for things outside of their own tunnels.

Maybe in a way Cindy was using Casey; she insisted that she keep the unwanted baby, and that gave Cindy amusement. But she had her own job (does she still work?), and her relationship with George to manage. Maybe Caylee demanded more energy than she remembered from the first time(s) she was a mother. When Caylee was out of sight, she was truly out of mind.

I do think she's in total denial. She keeps running her mouth about Caylee being alive, but where are these searches being conducted? Besides in seances and Ouija boards?

Anyone wonder why Baez hasn't gagged her? (Figuratively, of course.)

[Woostock]

Loretta
I too wondered about why he has not gagged her!!
for all we know maybe he tried to no avail...
It is odd that the whole time Casey and Caylee were gone for the extended period there was no attempt to find where they were so that does give some indication that maybe they were out of sight out of mind. Now that has come back to haunt Cindy and leads to her insisting Caylee is still alive.

[deputydi]

dd, we've had reports that the therapist advised Cindy to obtain custody. I want to know what in the world was discussed in the therapy sessions for that to be suggested. Must have been a pretty dire situation. Was the therapist going to assist in Cindy's case? Who the heck was this therapist? Do we have more information along these lines?

You just have to wonder.
That may be true, but I wonder who is leaking these "reports". What goes on between a patient and her therapist is privileged and Cindy sure as heck isn't going to admit to being given that advice now.

[lorettalockhorn]

Not sure who the heck Mark Williams is, but found this:

And to Mark Williams, isn`t it true that Cindy Anthony actually went to a therapist about how to deal with her daughter being such a mooch?

WILLIAMS: Yes, she did. She is a health professional herself, but she had to go to a counselor. And the deal was, the counselor advised her to take -- to kick Cindy -- Casey out of the house and then to take custody of Caylee.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/09/ng.01.html

Wish there had been more discussion.

Never mind, he must be the news director at WNDB Orlando.

[Avad1228]

What picture are you talking about? I haven't heard this yet. I'm interested. Do you have a link to the picture?

I dont know how to send the link but if you go to the examiner.com it should be the paranormal examer and they have the original video from Fox35 Orlando. I think it aired last week. They later said it was Cindy Anthonys mother who was on the patio but really look at the video it is spooky.

PS if there is an easy way to tell me how to post a link-- would be appreciated lol thanks

[Woostock]

I did remember reading that some time ago. But what did happen is Casey left and took Caylee with her! Not exactly what the (therapist?) suggested...I think I remember harsh words were exchanged and Casey and Caylee left. What is perplexing is apparently there was very little interaction once that transpired....I often wonder why Cindy didn't continue seeing Caylee, asking for Casey to bring her over, etc. or at least making a trip to see Caylee. when all the time elapsed the damage was done. Caylee was missing. Therein lies the guilt I believe. Cindy needs to revise what happened and has latched on to a different scenerio wherein Caylee is alive.

[Avad1228]

I feel the same way. I know exactly where my children and Grandchildren are. I know all the other Grandparents numbers, I know the doctor they go to, the friend they have, where they will be on any given day and you can bet if I did not talk to or see them in a week even I would be on it. I never would think that my daughters would kill their children either but a month plus sure would not go by.

[deputydi]

I did remember reading that some time ago. But what did happen is Casey left and took Caylee with her! Not exactly what the (therapist?) suggested...I think I remember harsh words were exchanged and Casey and Caylee left. What is perplexing is apparently there was very little interaction once that transpired....I often wonder why Cindy didn't continue seeing Caylee, asking for Casey to bring her over, etc. or at least making a trip to see Caylee. when all the time elapsed the damage was done. Caylee was missing. Therein lies the guilt I believe. Cindy needs to revise what happened and has latched on to a different scenerio wherein Caylee is alive.
After the argument and after Casey stormed out of the house with her daughter, I would guess Cindy considered the weeks that followed a cooling off period. She didn't know where Casey was and probably assumed she and Caylee were staying with Amy or some other friend.

If the car hadn't been towed, this cat and mouse game would probably have gone on a lot longer. It wasn't until Cindy found out the car had been abandoned and towed, that she got worried and started trying to locate her daughter and granddaughter. Who knows how much time would have elapsed before Cindy decided to give in and try to get in touch with Casey -- if for no other reason than to talk to Caylee.

If you consider how weird and dysfunctional the family dynamics are here, I can see Cindy saying to herself -- "Good. Now maybe my spoiled daughter will be forced to assume some responsibility". I don't believe for a single minute that the thought ever entered her head that Casey could or would harm her own daughter.

[lorettalockhorn]

I dont know how to send the link but if you go to the examiner.com it should be the paranormal examer and they have the original video from Fox35 Orlando. I think it aired last week. They later said it was Cindy Anthonys mother who was on the patio but really look at the video it is spooky.

PS if there is an easy way to tell me how to post a link-- would be appreciated lol thanks

:seeya: Avad, One2Snoop posted this link from a blog that shows us the "ghost" frame by frame:

http://connect.kdwb.com/steveo/blog/2008/10/31/is_that_the_ghost_of_a_missing_florida_toddler_

To post a link (or anything else), left click and highlight, then right click and select copy. Go to where you want to post the link, right click and select paste. That's it.

[Woostock]

Deputy Di
I agree that Cindy wouldn't have thought that Casey would physically harm Caylee. I doubt that there were signs while they were living together. But I find it strange that Cindy didn't even try to see Caylee or even try to talk on the phone! There are just so many inconsistencies here----Cindy no doubt loved her grandchild but let too many things slide that are very perplexing; things we have discussed such as having phone numbers, addresses, work phone number, etc. that normal people would have for their daughter in case one needed to make contact. esp in case of an emergency. I had a dog sitter (veterinary student) take care of my goldens when I went to Fla. to see relatives. I was gone a week and called my house every day to see how the dogs were doing!!!

[deputydi]

Deputy Di
I agree that Cindy wouldn't have thought that Casey would physically harm Caylee. I doubt that there were signs while they were living together. But I find it strange that Cindy didn't even try to see Caylee or even try to talk on the phone! There are just so many inconsistencies here----Cindy no doubt loved her grandchild but let too many things slide that are very perplexing; things we have discussed such as having phone numbers, addresses, work phone number, etc. that normal people would have for their daughter in case one needed to make contact. esp in case of an emergency. I had a dog sitter (veterinary student) take care of my goldens when I went to Fla. to see relatives. I was gone a week and called my house every day to see how the dogs were doing!!!
I don't disagree -- I did say this is one weird family. And, you're right. Who among us has never called their adult child at work? I know I do. I found it really odd that Casey hadn't worked at Universal for nearly three years and her parents didn't know that. No one seemed to have ever met Zenaida, let alone have a phone number for her. This all seems beyond strange to me.

My point was that at the time the argument occurred and Casey stormed out of the house with her child, they were both very angry. I can see Cindy wanting to put some distance between herself and her daughter. It doesn't seem particularly strange that she didn't attempt to contact her for a few weeks. She was probably giving herself and Casey some time to cool off.

[One2Snoop]

Yes it is very uncommon for a grandparent especially one that lives with the child not to have phone numbers,contact with a babysitter etc. and to certainly question why she did not have the info. I do remember Cindy stating in one of her interviews with LE that every time she asked to speak with Caylee, Casey had an excuse-she was with Zanny or off with her doing some fun thing. It certainly was a very unhealthy dynamic in my opine-one thing i just thought i would throw out there i find interesting is Caylee's name. A combination of Casey and Lee-sounds like maybe Cindy had a say in naming the baby and i remember George stating that when Caylee was born the baby was handed to Cindy first and there was tension between Cindy and Casey over Caylee. MOO:rose:

ITA! We've never lived in the same state with my parents or my Inlaws and they always had this info - along with what school they were going to, who their current teachers were, etc.... During the times I had to travel for work or my husband did and the grandparents came and stayed for 2 or 3 week periods of time they had all that info. Its just bizarre to me that Cindy, George, Lee, nor any of Casey's friends knew who Zeniada was - for that matter I find it very strange Cindy didn't know Casey wasn't working - I guess I'm just a nosey person and I'd be all over my daughter if she were living at home with me and had a child.

This whole situation is very bizarre to me - oh wait, I already said that LOL. :tongue:

ETA: To me, it speaks volumes regarding Cindy and Casey's relationship ~ the ultimate of dysfunctional.

[Amy]

That may be true, but I wonder who is leaking these "reports". What goes on between a patient and her therapist is privileged and Cindy sure as heck isn't going to admit to being given that advice now.

She may deny that she ever said that (she is pretty good about doing that) but she, CINDY, is the one who said that her therapist had told her to tell Casey to go out on her own. I remember watching it on tv.

[Amy]

Personally I think that Cindy is so self-absorbed that she just didn't give a rat's patootie. She enjoyed Caylee and those heartwarming and heartbreaking pictures and videos were easy for her to cajole. But when Casey packed Caylee up to go to the babysitter and present herself at work, I think Cindy was relieved. So much so that it never occurred to her that the babysitter was a phantom with no address and phone number. And that there were never calls to and from Casey to a job, never a paycheck, never a W-2 form in the mail for Casey to use on her tax return.

There were emails from "her work." George commented on them (I think it was in his LE interview) saying that she must have been sending them to herself.

[Amy]

Not sure who the heck Mark Williams is, but found this:

And to Mark Williams, isn`t it true that Cindy Anthony actually went to a therapist about how to deal with her daughter being such a mooch?

WILLIAMS: Yes, she did. She is a health professional herself, but she had to go to a counselor. And the deal was, the counselor advised her to take -- to kick Cindy -- Casey out of the house and then to take custody of Caylee.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/09/ng.01.html

Wish there had been more discussion.

Never mind, he must be the news director at WNDB Orlando.

I don't know who Mark Williams is either. His comment "She is a health professional herself, but she had to go to a counselor." Well, duh. She isn't in the MENTAL health field, and, even if she were, when you have problems it is probably better to seek the advice of someone else.

My highest scores were in Psych (which I hated) but when I was having trouble w/my brother, before I did anything, I checked w/my former classmate who DID go into the mental health field. Just to see if what I was going to do was not going to make a bad situation worse, or to see if I might end in harms' way.

[Amy]

I did remember reading that some time ago. But what did happen is Casey left and took Caylee with her! Not exactly what the (therapist?) suggested...I think I remember harsh words were exchanged and Casey and Caylee left. What is perplexing is apparently there was very little interaction once that transpired....I often wonder why Cindy didn't continue seeing Caylee, asking for Casey to bring her over, etc. or at least making a trip to see Caylee. when all the time elapsed the damage was done. Caylee was missing. Therein lies the guilt I believe. Cindy needs to revise what happened and has latched on to a different scenerio wherein Caylee is alive.

Didn't Cindy say @ the beginning that she and Casey were in phone contact and/or texting several times a day? It was just that whenever the contacts were made, Caylee was "napping" or "@ the nanny's"---always some excuse as to why she could not even talk to Caylee on the phone.

I just think I would have gotten a little suspicious a WHOLE lot sooner than Cindy seemed to have. Unless Cindy knew that, because of the fight, Casey had no intention of letting her talk to Caylee (and that DOES happen, where "mommy" will keep the kids away from grandma, aunt, even daddy for some real or imagined dissing of "mommy.")

[Amy]

Yes it is very uncommon for a grandparent especially one that lives with the child not to have phone numbers,contact with a babysitter etc. and to certainly question why she did not have the info. I do remember Cindy stating in one of her interviews with LE that every time she asked to speak with Caylee, Casey had an excuse-she was with Zanny or off with her doing some fun thing. It certainly was a very unhealthy dynamic in my opine-one thing i just thought i would throw out there i find interesting is Caylee's name. A combination of Casey and Lee-sounds like maybe Cindy had a say in naming the baby and i remember George stating that when Caylee was born the baby was handed to Cindy first and there was tension between Cindy and Casey over Caylee. MOO:rose:

I think it really, really out of what I perceive to be Cindy's character--ie:controlling--that she did not demand to know every little bit of info on the nanny. It makes no sense--as has been pointed out--what if there is an emergency relating to Casey and she couldn't communicate w/the nanny? Who would pick Caylee up from the nanny?

It could very well be true that Cindy had heard of the name Zany for several years, as it was in 2006 that Mr. Grund says Casey told him she had found a nanny named Zany. But, I still just can't get past the fact that Cindy would not have demanded not only all the info, but to have met her face-to-face @ least once.

[browneyes106]

I agree completely. This post is very good. The fact that Cindy didn't know where Caylee was a good chunk of the time has always bothered me. I never understood either why she didn't have the sitters phone number and address. Also how they didn't know Casey wasn't working. Did Casey just continuously steal from other people to make George and Cindy think she had money? Even then why was she stealing from her own grandparents and parents? Did a light bulb never go off for Cindy that said "maybe Casey doesn't have a job?"

I have wondered about the same things too. I can't understand how Cindy never had info for the babysitter. Unless Casey gave her some excuse for her not have any info. As for Casey's job situation. On topix there was post by a person who said that in 2007 Casey posted a message to Lee on myspace that he shouldn't worry about her "new profession". I think maybe Casey was involved in something illegal or shady like the poster mentioned. Maybe she did things during the day while Caylee was with her Casey somehow earned some money. Casey also fabricated emails which said that she had to work nights maybe she was partying those times but at the same time was doing something for money. In one of the police interviews Casey admitted to stealing even though there were times she had her own money. It has been noted that sometime in April or May it was discovered that Casey was stealing from her grandparents maybe around that time she lost her "job". There were also searches for escort services on her computer. I do have the theory that Casey was involved in something and she made it seem like she worked at Universal and maybe George and Cindy somehow didn't notice. Here the link to the topix post
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/orlando-fl/T4CCKBJSMI73CU0QO

[Gatordog]

Well Gator told a story that it happened to him and it went throughout the car but thank goodness it was only dog food so You are probably right A&O imo sara

Hi Sara,

This Gator is a she. Surprise. :hat:

And yes, a disgusting smell in the trunk and permeate into the car with enough time and heat.

[Gatordog]

Here's the link to the video - its the last 5 seconds although I didn't see anything .... :shrug:

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3152317&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Saw it - at about 13 second left of the video behind George and Cindy there is a quick image of a face. Could be someone walking in the yard or a reflection on the sliding glass door but it's there and then it's gone.

[Gatordog]

Haven't had a chance to read through all the new replies yet so if I repeat what's already been said, sorry.

The WKMG timeline shows via cellphone records that Casey returned to the house on June 16th after George left for work. The ladder was left in the pool that day. It is theory that Casey deliberately drowned Caley in the pool.

Padilla will be back here this Thursday and will go over the search details. One former police officer who is now a private investigator said he will have close to 500 lead searchers on Saturday.

Casey goes back to court this week on a hearing regarding the fraudulent check charges.

Cell phone pings showed Casey in that airport area twice. They think she left the body there and then back to leave the cross necklace on the body, possibly using Tony's car because she took it to the car wash to remove the mud.

George and Cindy had their prayer vigil last night at the Eastside Baptist Church. After the prayers, a little girl about four years old went to Cinday and Cindy lost it. She didn't want to stop hugging the little girl and was crying.

If Baez is improper with Casey again, he will have to talk to her via video phone and not in person any longer. He needs to treat her like toilet paper - please don't squeeze the Charmin. :no:

[merker]

Good morning Everyone,

Thanks for all the great support for TES. As you probably already know, the latest search info
is at: www.pleasefindcaylee.com

Could you spread the word that there is no daycare available, for those not old enough to go on the search. The site mentions no children and no pets but we want to make sure that all know about this.
We are getting ready to fly to Orlando and look forward to meeting all of you. Please know we appreciate everything you are doing!
www.texasequusearch.org

Camping info for searchers:
http://tinyurl.com/6coxh2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQRE78x2O3Q&feature=related
Where Is Caylee? Justice for Caylee!

PS
First post here. Just spreading the word for Caylee.

[deacon]

Haven't had a chance to read through all the new replies yet so if I repeat what's already been said, sorry.

The WKMG timeline shows via cellphone records that Casey returned to the house on June 16th after George left for work. The ladder was left in the pool that day. It is theory that Casey deliberately drowned Caley in the pool.

Padilla will be back here this Thursday and will go over the search details. One former police officer who is now a private investigator said he will have close to 500 lead searchers on Saturday.

Casey goes back to court this week on a hearing regarding the fraudulent check charges.

Cell phone pings showed Casey in that airport area twice. They think she left the body there and then back to leave the cross necklace on the body, possibly using Tony's car because she took it to the car wash to remove the mud.

George and Cindy had their prayer vigil last night at the Eastside Baptist Church. After the prayers, a little girl about four years old went to Cinday and Cindy lost it. She didn't want to stop hugging the little girl and was crying.

If Baez is improper with Casey again, he will have to talk to her via video phone and not in person any longer. He needs to treat her like toilet paper - please don't squeeze the Charmin. :no:

Hmmmm sounds like the hole is getting deeper. Or was deeper than we thought.

Yep, she is toilet paper alright.

[lorettalockhorn]

She may deny that she ever said that (she is pretty good about doing that) but she, CINDY, is the one who said that her therapist had told her to tell Casey to go out on her own. I remember watching it on tv.

Thanks Amy for remembering that. Maybe that interview of Cindy's was aired on Mark Williams' station WNDB. Did not want to go back and listen to any Cindy talk.

Good morning Everyone,

Thanks for all the great support for TES. As you probably already know, the latest search info
is at: www.pleasefindcaylee.com

Could you spread the word that there is no daycare available, for those not old enough to go on the search. The site mentions no children and no pets but we want to make sure that all know about this.
We are getting ready to fly to Orlando and look forward to meeting all of you. Please know we appreciate everything you are doing!
www.texasequusearch.org

Camping info for searchers:
http://tinyurl.com/6coxh2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQRE78x2O3Q&feature=related
Where Is Caylee? Justice for Caylee!

PS
First post here. Just spreading the word for Caylee.

Thanks Merker! :seeya:

[Gatordog]

Rumor is its from the reflection of one of Caylee's photo's. I can buy that.

Looked like it was moving to me...unless someone was moving the picture?

[Gatordog]

That may be true, but I wonder who is leaking these "reports". What goes on between a patient and her therapist is privileged and Cindy sure as heck isn't going to admit to being given that advice now.

I believe it's in one of the transcripts of Cindy's talks with the detectives. Also - it's possible it is in one of the transcripts of the detective's questioning of Casey's friend in Jacksonville. The one that Cindy called and told him to stay away from Casey because she was a sociopath.

[Gatordog]

Didn't Cindy say @ the beginning that she and Casey were in phone contact and/or texting several times a day? It was just that whenever the contacts were made, Caylee was "napping" or "@ the nanny's"---always some excuse as to why she could not even talk to Caylee on the phone.

I just think I would have gotten a little suspicious a WHOLE lot sooner than Cindy seemed to have. Unless Cindy knew that, because of the fight, Casey had no intention of letting her talk to Caylee (and that DOES happen, where "mommy" will keep the kids away from grandma, aunt, even daddy for some real or imagined dissing of "mommy.")

Yes, first talks with Detectives and she said she had just found her daughter after a month. Later, during the first bail hearing when she was on the stand Casey was no longer missing - that they talked on the phone and sent text messages and Caylee was always just "at an inopportune time" to talk to Cindy.

[Gatordog]

WKMG Report on Cell phone pings timeline.

http://www.local6.com/news/17874799/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

Beemeup, here's the weather page from Local6; temperatures look good. May be a 20% chance of rain on Saturday.

http://www.local6.com/weather/index.html

[One2Snoop]

:punch: :no:

Casey Anthony Detective Told To Stop Blogging About Case
Monday, November 3, 2008 – updated: 6:14 pm EST November 3, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The case against Casey has grown so big, even the lead detective got caught up in the publicity. Eyewitness News has learned Detective Yuri Melich has been reprimanded by his bosses for blogging about the case online.

Melich started blogging when other bloggers started complimenting him. He told bloggers he was sleuthing the web secretly looking for clues in the case. But after he saw a lot of flattering stuff about himself, he posted on websleuths.com as Dick Tracy Orlando to thank bloggers for their kind words.

One blogger on websleuths.com claimed to be the president of the "WWYMD" fan club, meaning "What Would Yuri Melich Do?" One blogger was floored over how awesome Melich's work was after watching the interview Melich did with Casey Anthony's mother a couple of weeks after Casey's arrest.

Bloggers also asked about Melich's leg after seeing him on TV with a crutch. On September 20, he posted as "Dick Tracy Orlando" about how he had broken it in three places during training. He thanked them for their concern, writing, "Thank you for keeping Caylee on the forefront. We are all working for her."

Melich signed off with, "Please continue to keep the Anthony family in your prayers."

Even so, the Anthony family's attorney, Mark NeJame, took issue with it and complained to the sheriff's office. Melich's bosses then told him to stop, concerned that his communications with bloggers would be portrayed as an endorsement of some of the other opinions they expressed against Casey.

Eyewitness News legal analyst William Sheaffer calls the issue a tempest in a teapot, but says the sheriff's office was smart to put an end to it.

"Let's not give the defense or the defense supporters any issues, real or imagined, to work with in this case," he said.

Casey's defense attorney's public relations firm said Monday that "anything on the blogs we don't pay attention to," because they're unreliable.

It probably would backfire on the defense to bring up the bloggers, since many of them believe Casey Anthony murdered her daughter Caylee.


CASEY COULD BE BACK IN COURT

Casey Anthony could be back in court in two days. A pre-trial hearing is set for Wednesday morning on charges of check fraud and lying to investigators.

Casey can attend the hearing, but it's unclear if she will. Casey is expected to be tried on those charges in a few weeks.

Her trial on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter Caylee is set for January 5.


MYSTERIOUS PR MAN TAKEN OFF CASE

The mysterious man named Black is off the Casey Anthony case.

Todd Black was hired by Jose Baez's law firm to be a spokesman for Casey's defense team. But, a couple of weeks ago, Black slipped up and admitted on national television that Caylee Anthony is dead.

The case was handed over to another PR worker from the same firm Monday. The firm claimed the decision had nothing to do with Black's performance. <- un huh, sure. :rolleyes:

[Brainstorm]

Say what? is right. LOL. Wonder if its anyone we know/knew? I swear, I had to quit going there on this case(I still check to see if anyone post on the Tara forum) but,this case, there, IMOO, was a CIRCUS!!!!!!
I found myself saying, WTH am I doing reading this,__________?I have felt so much better.
Now Ive got to go see who's in the mix...
imo

[One2Snoop]

Say what? is right. LOL. Wonder if its anyone we know/knew? I swear, I had to quit going there on this case(I still check to see if anyone post on the Tara forum) but,this case, there, IMOO, was a CIRCUS!!!!!!
I found myself saying, WTH am I doing reading this,__________?I have felt so much better.
Now Ive got to go see who's in the mix...
imo

LOL ~ Circus is putting it mildly. I don't know how anyone there can even post a coherent thought. It was impossible to follow a conversation amongst all the snipping and one upping of one another. I stopped going there when the zoo arrived. I'm just fine staying here in our little corner of the world. :beer:

[Brainstorm]

LOL ~ Circus is putting it mildly. I don't know how anyone there can even post a coherent thought. It was impossible to follow a conversation amongst all the snipping and one upping of one another. I stopped going there when the zoo arrived. I'm just fine staying here in our little corner of the world. :beer:
I can just see Cindy probably spending hrs reading others opinions of her,tho.

[lorettalockhorn]

:punch: :no:

Casey Anthony Detective Told To Stop Blogging About Case
Monday, November 3, 2008 – updated: 6:14 pm EST November 3, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The case against Casey has grown so big, even the lead detective got caught up in the publicity. Eyewitness News has learned Detective Yuri Melich has been reprimanded by his bosses for blogging about the case online.

Melich started blogging when other bloggers started complimenting him. He told bloggers he was sleuthing the web secretly looking for clues in the case. But after he saw a lot of flattering stuff about himself, he posted on websleuths.com as Dick Tracy Orlando to thank bloggers for their kind words.

One blogger on websleuths.com claimed to be the president of the "WWYMD" fan club, meaning "What Would Yuri Melich Do?" One blogger was floored over how awesome Melich's work was after watching the interview Melich did with Casey Anthony's mother a couple of weeks after Casey's arrest.

Bloggers also asked about Melich's leg after seeing him on TV with a crutch. On September 20, he posted as "Dick Tracy Orlando" about how he had broken it in three places during training. He thanked them for their concern, writing, "Thank you for keeping Caylee on the forefront. We are all working for her."

Melich signed off with, "Please continue to keep the Anthony family in your prayers."

Even so, the Anthony family's attorney, Mark NeJame, took issue with it and complained to the sheriff's office. Melich's bosses then told him to stop, concerned that his communications with bloggers would be portrayed as an endorsement of some of the other opinions they expressed against Casey.

Eyewitness News legal analyst William Sheaffer calls the issue a tempest in a teapot, but says the sheriff's office was smart to put an end to it.

"Let's not give the defense or the defense supporters any issues, real or imagined, to work with in this case," he said.

Casey's defense attorney's public relations firm said Monday that "anything on the blogs we don't pay attention to," because they're unreliable.

It probably would backfire on the defense to bring up the bloggers, since many of them believe Casey Anthony murdered her daughter Caylee.


CASEY COULD BE BACK IN COURT

Casey Anthony could be back in court in two days. A pre-trial hearing is set for Wednesday morning on charges of check fraud and lying to investigators.

Casey can attend the hearing, but it's unclear if she will. Casey is expected to be tried on those charges in a few weeks.

Her trial on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter Caylee is set for January 5.


MYSTERIOUS PR MAN TAKEN OFF CASE

The mysterious man named Black is off the Casey Anthony case.

Todd Black was hired by Jose Baez's law firm to be a spokesman for Casey's defense team. But, a couple of weeks ago, Black slipped up and admitted on national television that Caylee Anthony is dead.

The case was handed over to another PR worker from the same firm Monday. The firm claimed the decision had nothing to do with Black's performance. <- un huh, sure. :rolleyes:

Lawsy. What WOULDN'T Yuri Melich Do?? When did it become de rigueur to blog about an open investigation?

Doesn't Jose Baez actually own the PR firm? Of course they'll ditch Black but stay with the same outfit.

[Amy]

Posters (that I have read) that have read the posts by Yuri say that he said nothing about the case, posted about his dog and I think his mom. And thanked people for their well wishes re:his accident.

And, I think thanked them about keeping Caylee's case out there, and the part about keeping the Anthony's in their prayers. Now, what is inappropriate or sinister about that?

Anyway, for all the time I have been posting on here and CTV/InSession--there have been people from the prosecution and defense side of cases who read, and even sometimes post on various message boards. Detectives, investigators, clerk type people for the attorneys--looking @ what are the people saying about the case? What kinds of things are they coming up with that we should do for "our side?" Don't know why Yuri would be taken to task, especially if his posts had nothing to do w/the case.

And, sometimes these type of people have been known to have been posting.

[Amy]

Lawsy. What WOULDN'T Yuri Melich Do?? When did it become de rigueur to blog about an open investigation?

Doesn't Jose Baez actually own the PR firm? Of course they'll ditch Black but stay with the same outfit.

Really? That's something!!! I didn't know that. All I had been able to find out was that, altho the "big wigs" (when Todd Black mentioned that little detail about Caylee being dead) was that they were a HUGE coorporation, had offices all over the place, thousands of PR people. Of course, it was a little hard to check out, being there wasn't a website.

And, I guess it would be hard to get that info from the Baez Law firm website, either. I didn't see PR listed on the various services (but I didn't look real closely, either) but--no matter what you clicked on, you were just left right there on the home page. I was wanting to read about his high profile cases, and what happened with the mayor, and what was the other guy--a trooper or something? I also wanted to see the names of the other lawyers in "the firm" but that went no where.

Someone mentioned--hey, we never even saw Todd Black. How do we know that he isn't just put out front there with a different name? Wonder how many PR people they really have available?

I did think it odd, when the unfortunate statement was made, that JB explained that Mr Black wasn't in on their conferences. Well, how the heck is a PR person supposed to PR if he isn't kept in the dadblasted loop? How is he to know exactly HOW he is to answer questions if he isn't told at least a bit about what's going on!!!

[lorettalockhorn]

Posters (that I have read) that have read the posts by Yuri say that he said nothing about the case, posted about his dog and I think his mom. And thanked people for their well wishes re:his accident.

And, I think thanked them about keeping Caylee's case out there, and the part about keeping the Anthony's in their prayers. Now, what is inappropriate or sinister about that?

Anyway, for all the time I have been posting on here and CTV/InSession--there have been people from the prosecution and defense side of cases who read, and even sometimes post on various message boards. Detectives, investigators, clerk type people for the attorneys--looking @ what are the people saying about the case? What kinds of things are they coming up with that we should do for "our side?" Don't know why Yuri would be taken to task, especially if his posts had nothing to do w/the case.

And, sometimes these type of people have been known to have been posting.

Good to know that YM wasn't posting about the actual casework. I guess all he has to worry about is the usual carping about separation of Church and State, and feeling chagrined if George and/or Cindy lie under oath after he has asked the public to pray for them. Sheesh Why even get involved outside the office?

Really? That's something!!! I didn't know that. All I had been able to find out was that, altho the "big wigs" (when Todd Black mentioned that little detail about Caylee being dead) was that they were a HUGE coorporation, had offices all over the place, thousands of PR people. Of course, it was a little hard to check out, being there wasn't a website.

And, I guess it would be hard to get that info from the Baez Law firm website, either. I didn't see PR listed on the various services (but I didn't look real closely, either) but--no matter what you clicked on, you were just left right there on the home page. I was wanting to read about his high profile cases, and what happened with the mayor, and what was the other guy--a trooper or something? I also wanted to see the names of the other lawyers in "the firm" but that went no where.

Someone mentioned--hey, we never even saw Todd Black. How do we know that he isn't just put out front there with a different name? Wonder how many PR people they really have available?

I did think it odd, when the unfortunate statement was made, that JB explained that Mr Black wasn't in on their conferences. Well, how the heck is a PR person supposed to PR if he isn't kept in the dadblasted loop? How is he to know exactly HOW he is to answer questions if he isn't told at least a bit about what's going on!!!

I've read several places that claim Baez owns the PR firm; example:

http://www.mahalo.com/Todd_Black

But also found this which doesn't list any connection to Baez:

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/press-release-from-94-regarding-the-release-of-casey-anthony/

[Grave Chaser]

I've been a long time reader of this forum, but only recently decided to register. I want to thank all of you for keeping me up to date on this case. You do one heckuva job!

As for the case in general, I have believed from the moment it broke that Caylee was dead and her smirking, selfish mother was to blame. As for Cindy, I think she is as much to blame for this as her daughter. How can she claim to love someone so much, yet know nothing about who is taking care of her grandaughter, let alone where her own daughter is working, etc? Just doesn't add up to me. I just hope that they find her body soon so she can have a proper resting place.

[One2Snoop]

I've been a long time reader of this forum, but only recently decided to register. I want to thank all of you for keeping me up to date on this case. You do one heckuva job!

As for the case in general, I have believed from the moment it broke that Caylee was dead and her smirking, selfish mother was to blame. As for Cindy, I think she is as much to blame for this as her daughter. How can she claim to love someone so much, yet know nothing about who is taking care of her grandaughter, let alone where her own daughter is working, etc? Just doesn't add up to me. I just hope that they find her body soon so she can have a proper resting place.

Welcome GC - glad you decided to join us. :seeya:

[One2Snoop]

Say what? is right. LOL. Wonder if its anyone we know/knew? I swear, I had to quit going there on this case(I still check to see if anyone post on the Tara forum) but,this case, there, IMOO, was a CIRCUS!!!!!!
I found myself saying, WTH am I doing reading this,__________?I have felt so much better.
Now Ive got to go see who's in the mix...
imo

Thought you'd enjoy reading this guys take on WS - lots of profanity but he cracks me up :D :cool:

- http://thedailybs.com/news/?cat=3

[mu8shark]

I've been a long time reader of this forum, but only recently decided to register. I want to thank all of you for keeping me up to date on this case. You do one heckuva job!

As for the case in general, I have believed from the moment it broke that Caylee was dead and her smirking, selfish mother was to blame. As for Cindy, I think she is as much to blame for this as her daughter. How can she claim to love someone so much, yet know nothing about who is taking care of her grandaughter, let alone where her own daughter is working, etc? Just doesn't add up to me. I just hope that they find her body soon so she can have a proper resting place. Welcome to the board, you will like the people here. I have high hopes they will find her body.

[Gatordog]

Good Morning everyone! :seeya:

Real quiet out there today...everyone must be standing on line to do their civic duty. :patriot:

Just want to say I am not Yuri or related to the case at all. Wrote about my dog and my mom so I you could be wondering ;) just want you to know that whatever I have posted has been strictly either my opinion or what was reported on local news.

Reported on Local TV news yesterday - the Anthony's have had to close down their informal missing kid kiosk which they have held at four different places. Twice in a Publix (grocery store) parking lot, once at another parking lot and most recently at a Walmart parking lot. The trailer they have been using has been vandalized frequently, but they have been losing the locations because people have called the stores and claimed they would boycott that location if they remained in the parking lot. Kind of sad. They were passing around information regarding other missing children as well. I think it's due to Cindy and not George. They are signing a lease for a fixed location but haven't given out the location yet until the lease is in place.

Gator (with lipstick)

[deacon]

Not yet but I plan to do my civic duty this afternoon. Just another day at the mill. It really is a shame that people will mess up a cause because of the people putting out information. Sad that these two put themselves or their daughter put them in this position.

Been a bad few days here. A boy was shot here during Halloween and it sort of ruined the whole thing.

[samanthajane13]

Since this is Katey's first Presidential election, I'm waiting till she gets home, so we can walk over together.

My little Demo\Greenie is kinda excited!!!

[Gatordog]

My nephew has the good sense to have the most wonderful girlfriend, who is also an assistant district attorney in Ft. Lauderdale. I asked her the hearsay question whether the jail tape can be used or can Cindy just take the stand and repeat what Casey told her. Here is the reply pertaining to Florida law:

Anything that a defendant says out of court is admissible b/c it is not considered hearsay under Florida law, b/c it is what we call an "admission by a party opponent". So the general rule is that whatever the defendant said is admissible in court, and she would NOT have to take the stand. The defense/state, whoever, could just play the out of court statement or have a witness testify to the out of court statement that the defendant made.

HOWEVER, it really depends on the content of the defendant's statements. If the majority of the statement is what we refer to as "self-serving", the State will ask the court to exclude the statement. Typically the State does not want self-serving out of court statements made by the defendant to be admissible, b/c then it allows them to have the defendant testify on her own behalf so-to-speak without actually having to take the witness stand at trial and then being subjected to cross-examination.

Usually self-serving statements of the defendant are not admissible. If I had to guess, the Judge will not allow this in; however, the Judge could also instruct the defense to redact certain parts of the statement, allowing some parts in. It just depends on the content and what the Judge's ruling is.

Hope this helps.

[lorettalockhorn]

My nephew has the good sense to have the most wonderful girlfriend, who is also an assistant district attorney in Ft. Lauderdale. I asked her the hearsay question whether the jail tape can be used or can Cindy just take the stand and repeat what Casey told her. Here is the reply pertaining to Florida law:

Anything that a defendant says out of court is admissible b/c it is not considered hearsay under Florida law, b/c it is what we call an "admission by a party opponent". So the general rule is that whatever the defendant said is admissible in court, and she would NOT have to take the stand. The defense/state, whoever, could just play the out of court statement or have a witness testify to the out of court statement that the defendant made.

HOWEVER, it really depends on the content of the defendant's statements. If the majority of the statement is what we refer to as "self-serving", the State will ask the court to exclude the statement. Typically the State does not want self-serving out of court statements made by the defendant to be admissible, b/c then it allows them to have the defendant testify on her own behalf so-to-speak without actually having to take the witness stand at trial and then being subjected to cross-examination.

Usually self-serving statements of the defendant are not admissible. If I had to guess, the Judge will not allow this in; however, the Judge could also instruct the defense to redact certain parts of the statement, allowing some parts in. It just depends on the content and what the Judge's ruling is.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Gatordog. This is what I gathered from some of the definitions and examples that I read. For Cindy to testify to a kidnapping theory, for example, would qualify as self-serving in my opinion.

Don't know why I thought of this out of the blue this morning, but if I was Caylee's kidnapper(s), I wouldn't just insist that Casey keep quiet to protect her, I would insist that she plead guilty to all charges*.

*Disclaimer: I don't for one minute believe that Caylee was kidnapped, but if she was, Casey's arrest would surely be a contingency that the kidnappers would have planned for. They would have instructed Casey to act normally; continuing to buy items for Caylee, for instance, and to plead guilty when and if she was arrested for neglect/abuse/murder.

[applesandorange]

Good Morning everyone! :seeya:

Real quiet out there today...everyone must be standing on line to do their civic duty. :patriot:

Just want to say I am not Yuri or related to the case at all. Wrote about my dog and my mom so I you could be wondering ;) just want you to know that whatever I have posted has been strictly either my opinion or what was reported on local news.

Reported on Local TV news yesterday - the Anthony's have had to close down their informal missing kid kiosk which they have held at four different places. Twice in a Publix (grocery store) parking lot, once at another parking lot and most recently at a Walmart parking lot. The trailer they have been using has been vandalized frequently, but they have been losing the locations because people have called the stores and claimed they would boycott that location if they remained in the parking lot. Kind of sad. They were passing around information regarding other missing children as well. I think it's due to Cindy and not George. They are signing a lease for a fixed location but haven't given out the location yet until the lease is in place.

Gator (with lipstick)


Yes I was out and voted. The line was crazy long.

That's a shame that people have reported them. I thought it was good hearted of them to get the word out about other missing children. I bet it's because of Cindy too. That and the whole Anthony family has a bad reputation now. I don't think most people believe that Caylee is alive.

[One2Snoop]

Anthony to have pretrial on check fraud charges
Last Edited: Tuesday, 04 Nov 2008, 1:01 PM EST
Created: Tuesday, 04 Nov 2008, 1:01 PM EST

SEMINOLE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- A pretrial is scheduled for Casey Anthony’s check fraud charges Wednesday morning.

VIDEO: Casey Anthony seen cashing Huzienga's
check at Bank of America (click the link below to watch the videos)

Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland will be hearing the case. In September, the State Attorney’s Office officially charged Anthony with three fraudulent use of personal identification charges, three counts of forgery of a check and three charges for uttering a forged check.

VIDEO: Casey Anthony seen using Huzienga's check at
Waterford Lakes Target- July 8, 2008

The charges were filed after she allegedly stole checks and money from her former friend, Amy Huzienga, in July.

VIDEO: Casey Anthony seen using Huzienga's check at
Winter Park Target - July 10, 2008

Anthony is not expected to be present in court, but her defense attorney Jose Baez will be.

The pretrial is scheduled for 9 a.m. in courtroom 6-D. Anthony has already entered a written plea of not-guilty on all the charges.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7788248&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[lorettalockhorn]

Yes I was out and voted. The line was crazy long.

That's a shame that people have reported them. I thought it was good hearted of them to get the word out about other missing children. I bet it's because of Cindy too. That and the whole Anthony family has a bad reputation now. I don't think most people believe that Caylee is alive.

Totally agree. As delusional as Cindy (and George) is perceived to be, it is a shame that they've been threatened. And it's probable that their own notoriety could have helped loads with getting the word out about other missing persons/children.

[Brainstorm]

I've been a long time reader of this forum, but only recently decided to register. I want to thank all of you for keeping me up to date on this case. You do one heckuva job!

As for the case in general, I have believed from the moment it broke that Caylee was dead and her smirking, selfish mother was to blame. As for Cindy, I think she is as much to blame for this as her daughter. How can she claim to love someone so much, yet know nothing about who is taking care of her grandaughter, let alone where her own daughter is working, etc? Just doesn't add up to me. I just hope that they find her body soon so she can have a proper resting place.

Welcome and ITA,about her being already passed,when WE heard about it.IMO.
It bothers me too, about Cindy.Somebody famous said and I believe, it takes a whole community to raise a child.
WITH THEM LIVING IN THE SAME HOUSE !!!!and she/they knew NOTHING about who/where that child was,EVERYDAY.

[One2Snoop]

Oh My! :eek:

George Anthony Seen Near Woods Where Teams Searched For Caylee
Tuesday, November 4, 2008 – updated: 5:24 pm EST November 4, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Caylee Anthony's grandfather is desperate to find his granddaughter. An eyewitness reportedly saw George Anthony standing and staring into the woods near Hoffner Avenue in east Orange County (see map).

Eyewitness News has learned a search team could be looking for the little girl's body in the same place George was spotted. The area has already caught the attention of investigators. It was searched in September when EquuSearch was in town last time.

Now, a WFTV viewer says she saw George Anthony at the same spot early in the evening on October 30 looking into the woods. The area is easily accessible by car, yet easy to disappear into and it's less than four miles from where Casey Anthony and Caylee lived with Casey's parents.

The WFTV viewer said she saw Caylee's grandfather George's car parked in the area around 6:15pm on October 30 and that he was staring into the woods. Then she saw him get into his car and drive away. She figured he was looking for Caylee and the information was passed on to law enforcement.

Casey's defense team's public relations representative said they were aware George was there, that it has nothing to do with what the defense is doing and that there might be certain things that involve the case that they can't talk about.

The sheriff's office says tips that fit in with the investigators' timeline of Casey's whereabouts will be investigated and searched and Casey's phone records show that it's one of the areas that she frequented.

EquuSearch is back in town, too, making plans for the next search scheduled to begin on Saturday. EquuSearch said Tuesday it's getting things organized and training the volunteers. They're expected to search for Caylee for three or four days.

One of the areas they'll return to, to finish what they started, is near Orlando International Airport, where a third of the territory they wanted to search was covered in water from Tropical Storm Fay.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Caylee's grandmother Cindy text messaged WFTV reporter Kathi Belich to say George was looking at the woods to scout out another possible location for the KidFinders tent that they take around town asking for donations and tips in the case.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17891218/detail.html

[applesandorange]

Oh My! :eek:

George Anthony Seen Near Woods Where Teams Searched For Caylee
Tuesday, November 4, 2008 – updated: 5:24 pm EST November 4, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Caylee Anthony's grandfather is desperate to find his granddaughter. An eyewitness reportedly saw George Anthony standing and staring into the woods near Hoffner Avenue in east Orange County (see map).

Eyewitness News has learned a search team could be looking for the little girl's body in the same place George was spotted. The area has already caught the attention of investigators. It was searched in September when EquuSearch was in town last time.

Now, a WFTV viewer says she saw George Anthony at the same spot early in the evening on October 30 looking into the woods. The area is easily accessible by car, yet easy to disappear into and it's less than four miles from where Casey Anthony and Caylee lived with Casey's parents.

The WFTV viewer said she saw Caylee's grandfather George's car parked in the area around 6:15pm on October 30 and that he was staring into the woods. Then she saw him get into his car and drive away. She figured he was looking for Caylee and the information was passed on to law enforcement.

Casey's defense team's public relations representative said they were aware George was there, that it has nothing to do with what the defense is doing and that there might be certain things that involve the case that they can't talk about.

The sheriff's office says tips that fit in with the investigators' timeline of Casey's whereabouts will be investigated and searched and Casey's phone records show that it's one of the areas that she frequented.

EquuSearch is back in town, too, making plans for the next search scheduled to begin on Saturday. EquuSearch said Tuesday it's getting things organized and training the volunteers. They're expected to search for Caylee for three or four days.

One of the areas they'll return to, to finish what they started, is near Orlando International Airport, where a third of the territory they wanted to search was covered in water from Tropical Storm Fay.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Caylee's grandmother Cindy text messaged WFTV reporter Kathi Belich to say George was looking at the woods to scout out another possible location for the KidFinders tent that they take around town asking for donations and tips in the case.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17891218/detail.html


I thought about that. What if someone would go in and find Caylee's remains and dispose of them in a different location? That worries me. I had hoped LE was keeping an eye on the Anthony's. Now it seems they aren't. Hmm makes me nervous.

Another thought that I have is that George does know the truth. He knows Caylee is dead. A part of me wants to belive that George wants to bring Caylee's remains home for a proper burial. I believe George will be relieved when this nightmare is over. I know he will be living in hell everyday but atleast when the charade that Cindy is playing comes to an end he will be able to get closure and move on the best that anyone can given the circumstances. He may even want to be the person to find Caylee. JMO

[samanthajane13]

"I thought about that. What if someone would go in and find Caylee's remains and dispose of them in a different location? That worries me. I had hoped LE was keeping an eye on the Anthony's. Now it seems they aren't. Hmm makes me nervous.

Another thought that I have is that George does know the truth. He knows Caylee is dead. A part of me wants to belive that George wants to bring Caylee's remains home for a proper burial. I believe George will be relieved when this nightmare is over. I know he will be living in hell everyday but atleast when the charade that Cindy is playing comes to an end he will be able to get closure and move on the best that anyone can given the circumstances. He may even want to be the person to find Caylee. JMO"

You know-I've thought about how high-profile this case is, and something my mom always says...

That the media and LE let too much information out on A LOT of cases. She believes that's why there are so many copy-cat cases and so many pedophiles and rapists. They get ideas from the media.

Now-since LE and the media have released so much info on the searches, what is to stop someone from beating the searchers to Caylee's remains and moving them????

Or IF-by chance-someone else DID harm Caylee-and that's a BIG IF-they could plant the remains in one of the areas that they plan to search to nail Casey's coffin shut.

This case is making me INSANE!!!!

For the LOVE OF GOD, Casey-tell them where that beautiful baby is-you stupid self-centered be-otch!!!

[Grave Chaser]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys/gals......

So I was sitting here thinking about George and what he is thinking while standing at the edge of the woods/swamp. "What plausable reason would there be for Casey to be here?" he wonders. There none, is the answer. The only reason anyone would go out there is (A) a bunch of teenagers drinking/partying and hiding from their parents/cops (B) to hide a body. Since Casey is of age and obviously a club rat, the answer is right there. She was looking for the perfect place to cover her crime. Wake up George!

Ok, now that I've got that off my chest, I'll go back to eating my chicken wings and watching the election coverage..... :D

[Brainstorm]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys/gals......

So I was sitting here thinking about George and what he is thinking while standing at the edge of the woods/swamp. "What plausable reason would there be for Casey to be here?" he wonders. There none, is the answer. The only reason anyone would go out there is (A) a bunch of teenagers drinking/partying and hiding from their parents/cops (B) to hide a body. Since Casey is of age and obviously a club rat, the answer is right there. She was looking for the perfect place to cover her crime. Wake up George!

Ok, now that I've got that off my chest, I'll go back to eating my chicken wings and watching the election coverage..... :D

Strange,imo. Unless he is trying to come to terms.

[mu8shark]

Oh My! :eek:

George Anthony Seen Near Woods Where Teams Searched For Caylee
Tuesday, November 4, 2008 – updated: 5:24 pm EST November 4, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Caylee Anthony's grandfather is desperate to find his granddaughter. An eyewitness reportedly saw George Anthony standing and staring into the woods near Hoffner Avenue in east Orange County (see map).

Eyewitness News has learned a search team could be looking for the little girl's body in the same place George was spotted. The area has already caught the attention of investigators. It was searched in September when EquuSearch was in town last time.

Now, a WFTV viewer says she saw George Anthony at the same spot early in the evening on October 30 looking into the woods. The area is easily accessible by car, yet easy to disappear into and it's less than four miles from where Casey Anthony and Caylee lived with Casey's parents.

The WFTV viewer said she saw Caylee's grandfather George's car parked in the area around 6:15pm on October 30 and that he was staring into the woods. Then she saw him get into his car and drive away. She figured he was looking for Caylee and the information was passed on to law enforcement.

Casey's defense team's public relations representative said they were aware George was there, that it has nothing to do with what the defense is doing and that there might be certain things that involve the case that they can't talk about.

The sheriff's office says tips that fit in with the investigators' timeline of Casey's whereabouts will be investigated and searched and Casey's phone records show that it's one of the areas that she frequented.

EquuSearch is back in town, too, making plans for the next search scheduled to begin on Saturday. EquuSearch said Tuesday it's getting things organized and training the volunteers. They're expected to search for Caylee for three or four days.

One of the areas they'll return to, to finish what they started, is near Orlando International Airport, where a third of the territory they wanted to search was covered in water from Tropical Storm Fay.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Caylee's grandmother Cindy text messaged WFTV reporter Kathi Belich to say George was looking at the woods to scout out another possible location for the KidFinders tent that they take around town asking for donations and tips in the case.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17891218/detail.htmlThis is just eerie. First of all what Cindy said about him scouting, whenever I hear her speak my brain goes disregard, she lies and manipulates everything > Ever since she said the tow yard managers statement said the car did not smell until after five days at the tow yard and she did say exactly that, I don't trust one thing she says, Before that I thought it was her grief not trying to face reality, now I think she lies all the time to save Casey. I read the statement and he does not say that at all, not even close. She flat out lied. . The five days refers to the other car where the suicide was not found for five days. I digress I suppose. But my point now is that it makes me wonder what Georges looking and lingering there means. It reminds me of sneaky Scott. Does George know something? Or does he suspect an area being a cop and knowing about those pings. It reminds me of Scott P spying on the cops when they were searching for Laci. It really gives me the creeps.

[mu8shark]

"I thought about that. What if someone would go in and find Caylee's remains and dispose of them in a different location? That worries me. I had hoped LE was keeping an eye on the Anthony's. Now it seems they aren't. Hmm makes me nervous.

Another thought that I have is that George does know the truth. He knows Caylee is dead. A part of me wants to belive that George wants to bring Caylee's remains home for a proper burial. I believe George will be relieved when this nightmare is over. I know he will be living in hell everyday but atleast when the charade that Cindy is playing comes to an end he will be able to get closure and move on the best that anyone can given the circumstances. He may even want to be the person to find Caylee. JMO"

You know-I've thought about how high-profile this case is, and something my mom always says...

That the media and LE let too much information out on A LOT of cases. She believes that's why there are so many copy-cat cases and so many pedophiles and rapists. They get ideas from the media.

Now-since LE and the media have released so much info on the searches, what is to stop someone from beating the searchers to Caylee's remains and moving them????

Or IF-by chance-someone else DID harm Caylee-and that's a BIG IF-they could plant the remains in one of the areas that they plan to search to nail Casey's coffin shut.

This case is making me INSANE!!!!

For the LOVE OF GOD, Casey-tell them where that beautiful baby is-you stupid self-centered be-otch!!!I totallly agree on LE letting out lots of info. Talking about the exact location of those pings is a horrible idea. Let me just say that again, horrible. Not only could someone rehide that body , but can you imagine a defense scenario where the defense says, of course they found the body where the pings are, the real kidnappers heard all about the pings and planted the body to frame Casey. Do I believe this? Not in the least but it gives the defense something to go on about. They have released way too much info. They can't even really trust the witnesses who 'saw ' her there, everything that guy said , the shovel, the car, the area, has been on tv. In the Kelsey Smith case, they did not release exactly where they found her body or what time they thought he dumped it. They also kept it secret that they found huge sticks in the back of his truck. Consequently when a couple saw him coming out of the woods after burying her with two big sticks in his hands and he threw it in the back of his truck, the police were able to immediately assess the couples truthfulness. Nobody knew about the area or the sticks, so they knew that couple was telling the truth and not out for their fifteen minutes of fame. I think the releasing of this info is great for the curious like all of us,but not so good for the case , you are right on!

[mu8shark]

Did anyone see Kobe on Nancy? What a joke! Nancy was right to make fun of him tonight. He said in a study done by the body farm, a study done on two cars, yes that is right the study was on just two cars , but anyways in that study one out of two had traces of chloroform. What kind of study is that? Probably traces can be from cleaning products, but as Nancy pointed out and a chemist pointed out a while back , when a car is quote saturated like LE said her car was it is impossible that it can be from cleaning products. He really is looking more and more like a donkey! Also, something else on court tv the other day there was a case where a man claimed self defense. And Jack Ford said that when a jury looks at that , they want to be able to say to themselves, "Yeah I understand that, I would have done that too." Now of course this does not pertain to Casey's case, however it did make me think, a jury is going to look at her behavior and want to say to themselves, Yeah that is what I would of done, I would react like that. Now, bearing that in mind can you imagine a juror thinking, "Yeah I would of neglected to call police, I would have not told any of my loved ones, including my father who probably has great ideas about resources to find my child. I also would have partied like it was 1999 and I would have gone shopping for beer and panties and those cute sunglasses and kept up my thieving behavior. Sure that is exactly what I would of done. " I think that even if you disregard what I think are going to be strong forensics esp with that smell detected by umpteen people, that her behavior is going to kill her. And even if those photos don't come in because the judge determines they are irrelevant or predjudical, her behavior, the steps she took, that is coming in. I really hope they find the body to make it even stronger. Also here is a quote in a book I am rereading by Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor of the Manson case about crimes in general and it is something we should think about when we can't quite make every piece fit. " In literature a murder is often likened to a picture puzzle. If one is patient and keeps trying, all the pieces will evetually fit into place. However, veteran policeman know better. A much better analogy would be two picture puzzles or three , no one of which is complete. Even after a solution emerges ,if one does, there will be leftover pieces, evidence that just does not fit and some pieces will always be missing." End quote. I know on some of the things in this case, I have been racking my brain and it just hit me that he is right, not everything will drop right in to place, no matter how good the police are or how thorough they are and it is often like that . Sorry for such a long post. My comp is slow and wanted to get it all in in one shot and have been pondering on a few things and been offline pretty much till tonight.

[Amy]

Yes I was out and voted. The line was crazy long.

That's a shame that people have reported them. I thought it was good hearted of them to get the word out about other missing children. I bet it's because of Cindy too. That and the whole Anthony family has a bad reputation now. I don't think most people believe that Caylee is alive.

I wonder if the information they give out in the kiosk and pamphlets and such have correct numbers for folks to contact if they see any of the missing children? The number on the dadgum mobile thing had been disconnect sometime in JULY for pete's sake. Why the H wasn't that changed--and has it even been changed now?

So, someone sees ANY of the missing children--and how much time is lost contacting authorities because they call the NON WORKING number listed on the mobile. Why not make their efforts worth the while, and list the Crimestoppers or OSCO hotline numbers.

A FREAKING NON-WORKING NUMBER!!!!! Now, they are really and truely right out there, doing their darndest to find their missing/kidnapped grandchild NOT!!!!!!!!!

[mu8shark]

So the first of Casey's charges are soon going to begin. In regards to the cheque charges and the lying to investigators-how does one plead not guilty when u are on video tape with one of the charges and audio on the other. Oh this is going to be classic.:hat:Here is the best defense, Casey will say Amy told her she could empty out her account and the entire court room will burst into laughter. !! She would help herself by just biting the bullet on this one and saying yea I did it, it might even give her credibility, the little tiny bit that she can get.

[Amy]

Oh My! :eek:

George Anthony Seen Near Woods Where Teams Searched For Caylee
Tuesday, November 4, 2008 – updated: 5:24 pm EST November 4, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Caylee Anthony's grandfather is desperate to find his granddaughter. An eyewitness reportedly saw George Anthony standing and staring into the woods near Hoffner Avenue in east Orange County (see map).

Eyewitness News has learned a search team could be looking for the little girl's body in the same place George was spotted. The area has already caught the attention of investigators. It was searched in September when EquuSearch was in town last time.

Now, a WFTV viewer says she saw George Anthony at the same spot early in the evening on October 30 looking into the woods. The area is easily accessible by car, yet easy to disappear into and it's less than four miles from where Casey Anthony and Caylee lived with Casey's parents.

The WFTV viewer said she saw Caylee's grandfather George's car parked in the area around 6:15pm on October 30 and that he was staring into the woods. Then she saw him get into his car and drive away. She figured he was looking for Caylee and the information was passed on to law enforcement.

Casey's defense team's public relations representative said they were aware George was there, that it has nothing to do with what the defense is doing and that there might be certain things that involve the case that they can't talk about.

The sheriff's office says tips that fit in with the investigators' timeline of Casey's whereabouts will be investigated and searched and Casey's phone records show that it's one of the areas that she frequented.

EquuSearch is back in town, too, making plans for the next search scheduled to begin on Saturday. EquuSearch said Tuesday it's getting things organized and training the volunteers. They're expected to search for Caylee for three or four days.

One of the areas they'll return to, to finish what they started, is near Orlando International Airport, where a third of the territory they wanted to search was covered in water from Tropical Storm Fay.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Caylee's grandmother Cindy text messaged WFTV reporter Kathi Belich to say George was looking at the woods to scout out another possible location for the KidFinders tent that they take around town asking for donations and tips in the case.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17891218/detail.html

He can't be so desperate to find his missing granddaughter--he didn't even change the phone number listed on the mobile after it was disconnected in July.

Oh, THAT's a good place for their missing children kiosk--out in the woods where there are lots of people. :(

[Amy]

Good post, mu8shark.

I can't remember which case it was, where the jury was pondering something and were mostly saying, well, THEY wouldn't have done this or that. Until one juror who had been in a similar situation (where the others had had no experience) said that the victim HAD reacted in just the way she had in her own experience. IIRC, the other jurors took that into consideration as they were making their decision.

In other cases there were incidences that, taken one by one, could be considered coincidence, but when looking @ the whole bunch of the incidences, could not be discounted. I can't find much of that in this case, tho. Most of Casey's actions and words (and her mother's) aren't normal when taken one by one. IMO

[mu8shark]

Amy, I just noticed you mentioned Kansas. I live in Kansas in Lenexa a suburb of Kansas City. Do you live in Kansas as well?

[Grave Chaser]

Welcome Grave I think u will find it a really nice fit here. I know i do. Everyone is kind and helpful. Enjoy the election coverage and your wings. I am watching it intently as well from over here across the pond as us Canucks say. If so inclined you could shove one of those wings thru your monitor :beer:

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Thanks, but fat kids don't share food! hahahaha :D

[Amy]

Amy, I just noticed you mentioned Kansas. I live in Kansas in Lenexa a suburb of Kansas City. Do you live in Kansas as well?

Southwest KS, WAY southwest!!!! lol

[Gatordog]

I wonder if the information they give out in the kiosk and pamphlets and such have correct numbers for folks to contact if they see any of the missing children? The number on the dadgum mobile thing had been disconnect sometime in JULY for pete's sake. Why the H wasn't that changed--and has it even been changed now?

So, someone sees ANY of the missing children--and how much time is lost contacting authorities because they call the NON WORKING number listed on the mobile. Why not make their efforts worth the while, and list the Crimestoppers or OSCO hotline numbers.

A FREAKING NON-WORKING NUMBER!!!!! Now, they are really and truely right out there, doing their darndest to find their missing/kidnapped grandchild NOT!!!!!!!!!

Hi Amy,

You have an excellent point. Plus, if I ever thought that I saw a missing child I'm not going to go to a tip number to call it in. I'm going to call 911.

[Gatordog]

Some updates -

Regarding George scouting that area to place his tent. That was Cindy's excuse after she said two days before on local news that they were in the process of signing a lease for a fixed location. There goes Pinnochio again.

I have a friend who lives on 5 acres on Hoffner. That is not a location where I would want to set up a missing child organization. Firstly, it's mostly industrial, a lot of the land is wholesale garden centers and landscapers, and car repair shops. Not a heavily traveled area where you would get any foot-traffic. I don't believe it. There are lots of open spaces on Lake Underhill Road which he could set up a tent, even near the hospital, which would get major publicity.

I had to go to Internation Drive yesterday for a meeting and took the loooong way there just so I could pass the search areas to see what's going on. I did see surveyors on some of the land in question. (Surveyors tend to find a lot of dead bodies in our woods). I did not see any standing water at all. The ponds were also down considerably from a few months ago.

On the way home, I passed The 33rd Street jail and threw a wave :seeya: at Casey. It's stark and it's cold but it's a jail, no where near as bad as a prison which will be her next stop. She's at the Hilton now, next stop - Motel Hell.

Weather has been mixed. Very overcast for days, cold and rainy on and off. Not enough to add any water but enough to make the ground soft. Speaking of which, when I drove by the locations on Lee Vista where they are going to search, it is really heavily wooded. I can't imagine that she could have gone in further than 100 feet or so, if that much. She probably went into an area that was grassy in front and then wooded and didn't go in too far.

Gator

[lorettalockhorn]

He can't be so desperate to find his missing granddaughter--he didn't even change the phone number listed on the mobile after it was disconnected in July.

Oh, THAT's a good place for their missing children kiosk--out in the woods where there are lots of people. :(

I don't understand why the number(s) listed aren't for law enforcement.

Would these be the same woods that Cindy is claiming that the kidnappers are living in?

These people are freaks. Even by my standards.

[lorettalockhorn]

I totallly agree on LE letting out lots of info. Talking about the exact location of those pings is a horrible idea. Let me just say that again, horrible. Not only could someone rehide that body , but can you imagine a defense scenario where the defense says, of course they found the body where the pings are, the real kidnappers heard all about the pings and planted the body to frame Casey. Do I believe this? Not in the least but it gives the defense something to go on about. They have released way too much info. They can't even really trust the witnesses who 'saw ' her there, everything that guy said , the shovel, the car, the area, has been on tv. In the Kelsey Smith case, they did not release exactly where they found her body or what time they thought he dumped it. They also kept it secret that they found huge sticks in the back of his truck. Consequently when a couple saw him coming out of the woods after burying her with two big sticks in his hands and he threw it in the back of his truck, the police were able to immediately assess the couples truthfulness. Nobody knew about the area or the sticks, so they knew that couple was telling the truth and not out for their fifteen minutes of fame. I think the releasing of this info is great for the curious like all of us,but not so good for the case , you are right on!

I don't understand why so much information is being made public; seems like a gag order would be a good idea. In the back of my mind, I've hoped that some of it is misinformation in order to trip up any co-conspirators.

[Brainstorm]

Some updates -

Regarding George scouting that area to place his tent. That was Cindy's excuse after she said two days before on local news that they were in the process of signing a lease for a fixed location. There goes Pinnochio again.

I have a friend who lives on 5 acres on Hoffner. That is not a location where I would want to set up a missing child organization. Firstly, it's mostly industrial, a lot of the land is wholesale garden centers and landscapers, and car repair shops. Not a heavily traveled area where you would get any foot-traffic. I don't believe it. There are lots of open spaces on Lake Underhill Road which he could set up a tent, even near the hospital, which would get major publicity.

I had to go to Internation Drive yesterday for a meeting and took the loooong way there just so I could pass the search areas to see what's going on. I did see surveyors on some of the land in question. (Surveyors tend to find a lot of dead bodies in our woods). I did not see any standing water at all. The ponds were also down considerably from a few months ago.

On the way home, I passed The 33rd Street jail and threw a wave :seeya: at Casey. It's stark and it's cold but it's a jail, no where near as bad as a prison which will be her next stop. She's at the Hilton now, next stop - Motel Hell.

Weather has been mixed. Very overcast for days, cold and rainy on and off. Not enough to add any water but enough to make the ground soft. Speaking of which, when I drove by the locations on Lee Vista where they are going to search, it is really heavily wooded. I can't imagine that she could have gone in further than 100 feet or so, if that much. She probably went into an area that was grassy in front and then wooded and didn't go in too far.

Gator
That last thought there was what jumped out at me. I also dont think Casey would have went too far down in the woods. Shes a party animal and is probably scared of real animals.Toobad,imo, one didnt get her.

[Gatordog]

I don't understand why so much information is being made public; seems like a gag order would be a good idea. In the back of my mind, I've hoped that some of it is misinformation in order to trip up any co-conspirators.

I think that was brought up a while back on NG and it was stated that under Florida law, the documents need to be publically filed within a certain amount of time unless they contain specific evidence or information which is critical to the case and that can be redacted. The evidence that has been released hasn't been released to the media, it's been filed and under the freedom of information act, it is available to the public or media.

[deacon]

Some updates -



Weather has been mixed. Very overcast for days, cold and rainy on and off. Not enough to add any water but enough to make the ground soft. Speaking of which, when I drove by the locations on Lee Vista where they are going to search, it is really heavily wooded. I can't imagine that she could have gone in further than 100 feet or so, if that much. She probably went into an area that was grassy in front and then wooded and didn't go in too far.

Gator

That is where you and I would differ. Being an outdoors person from the south, I would prefer to go where there are a lot of trees and dump something. You can see the creepy crawlers before you step on them. There will be some underbrush there somewhere that she could have hidden the body under. That small of a body would not be that hard to hide.

[lorettalockhorn]

I think that was brought up a while back on NG and it was stated that under Florida law, the documents need to be publically filed within a certain amount of time unless they contain specific evidence or information which is critical to the case and that can be redacted. The evidence that has been released hasn't been released to the media, it's been filed and under the freedom of information act, it is available to the public or media.

Thanks Gatordog, that makes sense. FL law must differ somewhat from AR law.

[Amy]

Yes or Amy made me do it :rolleyes: Or i was shopping for Amy and was just giving the clothing etc. a test run. :)

Didn't she already say that Amy gave her I think it was the $700 cash while she (Amy) was sleepwalking?

[deputydi]

Didn't she already say that Amy gave her I think it was the $700 cash while she (Amy) was sleepwalking?
Oh, good grief. She didn't really say this, did she?

[One2Snoop]

Judge: Anthony’s murder case should be heard first
Last Edited: Wednesday, 05 Nov 2008, 11:33 AM EST
Created: Wednesday, 05 Nov 2008, 11:33 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Wednesday morning, the State presented its case against Casey Anthony on grand theft and check fraud charges.

Casey Anthony, who did not appear in court, was represented by her defense attorney Jose Baez. He made a motion to continue the case on the theft charges and also waived his client’s right to a speedy trial.

Baez asked Judge Strickland to consider continuing the theft and fraud case before hearing her first degree murder charge case.

The judge did grant Baez’s motion to continue the case, but said this “judicial economy may be best served by hearing the murder case first,” after the State objected to trying the murder case before the check fraud case.

Strickland also asked the State if they had decided whether or not to seek the death penalty in her murder case and it said it was not; that the decision had not been made yet.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7797216&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[One2Snoop]

Oh, good grief. She didn't really say this, did she?

I remember something along those lines.

[Amy]

Hi Amy,

You have an excellent point. Plus, if I ever thought that I saw a missing child I'm not going to go to a tip number to call it in. I'm going to call 911.

Maybe that's why it doesn't seem so important to George, Cindy, even KidFinders to have the correct #--they figure most people would be calling 911? Even if KidFinders did not realize it was a non-working #, it being their mobile (and their reputation, really) you'd think that, once they knew it didn't work , they would have corrected the situation.

And, it would be highly unlikely for anyone looking @ the mobile to actually see one of those missing persons right then where they would punch in that number.

I hadn't tho't of the use of the numbers in this way, but you are right. 911 would be the # to call with a sighting. How long would it take for you to get to the top of the tip-line to talk to someone, and how long would it take for them to determine if they even want to pass your info along, and then how long to relay the info?

[Amy]

I think that was brought up a while back on NG and it was stated that under Florida law, the documents need to be publically filed within a certain amount of time unless they contain specific evidence or information which is critical to the case and that can be redacted. The evidence that has been released hasn't been released to the media, it's been filed and under the freedom of information act, it is available to the public or media.

That is my understanding. From reading another board, I gather that, whatever the prosecution gives to the defense, it becomes public information.

I don't understand the critical to the case information, as doesn't the prosecution have to give the defense ALL information they plan to use in trial? Does that meant that, some of the info DOES go public, but there are some things they can give to defense, but call it critical, and that DOESN'T go public?

I'm not sure of why FL has this law (and do other states?) I like to know what's going on as much as the next person, but I really think either the prosecution or defense should be able to keep their investigation findings under their hats (except for discovery to the other side.) For all that "the public has a right to know" kind of thing, I don't really think this is how it should be used.

[Amy]

Oh, good grief. She didn't really say this, did she?

I'm not real sure where this was revealed. Possibly in Amy's interview statement. It could have been in one of Cindy's interviews, or what she said to a tv camera, explaining how Casey came into possession of someone else's money.

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe that's why it doesn't seem so important to George, Cindy, even KidFinders to have the correct #--they figure most people would be calling 911? Even if KidFinders did not realize it was a non-working #, it being their mobile (and their reputation, really) you'd think that, once they knew it didn't work , they would have corrected the situation.

And, it would be highly unlikely for anyone looking @ the mobile to actually see one of those missing persons right then where they would punch in that number.

I hadn't tho't of the use of the numbers in this way, but you are right. 911 would be the # to call with a sighting. How long would it take for you to get to the top of the tip-line to talk to someone, and how long would it take for them to determine if they even want to pass your info along, and then how long to relay the info?

Sounds like another example of George and Cindy being irresponsible.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's Attorney Wants Trial Postponed
Wednesday, November 5, 2008 – updated: 2:01 pm EST November 5, 2008

http://www.wftv.com/news/17898941/detail.html

[Gatordog]

Oh, good grief. She didn't really say this, did she?

Amy was missing $700 cash from her apartment. Casey told her that she saw Amy sleepwalking with the money to hide it in the apartment. I guess Amy has a sleep disorder and does sleepwalk so she believed that she hid the money for her trip and then didn't know where she put it. It's in Amy's statement to the detectives.

[Gatordog]

Sounds like another example of George and Cindy being irresponsible.

That's one reason why I never believed they were actually looking for Caylee. If someone I loved was taken or missing, I would tell people if they saw her just call 911 immediately. Why wait to call the tip finders and then have them pass the info on to police. By then, they could be 500 miles away. You could still claim a reward if you directly called the police.

[Amy]

Amy was missing $700 cash from her apartment. Casey told her that she saw Amy sleepwalking with the money to hide it in the apartment. I guess Amy has a sleep disorder and does sleepwalk so she believed that she hid the money for her trip and then didn't know where she put it. It's in Amy's statement to the detectives.

Thanks. I tho't I had the list of interviews saved to favorites, and went to check. Didn't find the list, in fact, got my computer all messed up looking!!!! So, actually sounds like Casey was trying to tell Amy that she (Casey) didn't have the money, it was still hidden wherever Amy "sleepwalked" it to? Like, Casey wouldn't have watched and found out, lol.

[Amy]

That is where you and I would differ. Being an outdoors person from the south, I would prefer to go where there are a lot of trees and dump something. You can see the creepy crawlers before you step on them. There will be some underbrush there somewhere that she could have hidden the body under. That small of a body would not be that hard to hide.

Yes, but you say you are an outdoors person. I think, in all the things I have read about Casey, she wasn't. So, maybe go into the woods--a bit, but I wonder if she was skeered of creepy crawly things that might be about in the underbrush?

[Amy]

Judge: Anthony’s murder case should be heard first
Last Edited: Wednesday, 05 Nov 2008, 11:33 AM EST
Created: Wednesday, 05 Nov 2008, 11:33 AM EST

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Wednesday morning, the State presented its case against Casey Anthony on grand theft and check fraud charges.

Casey Anthony, who did not appear in court, was represented by her defense attorney Jose Baez. He made a motion to continue the case on the theft charges and also waived his client’s right to a speedy trial.

Baez asked Judge Strickland to consider continuing the theft and fraud case before hearing her first degree murder charge case.

The judge did grant Baez’s motion to continue the case, but said this “judicial economy may be best served by hearing the murder case first,” after the State objected to trying the murder case before the check fraud case.

Strickland also asked the State if they had decided whether or not to seek the death penalty in her murder case and it said it was not; that the decision had not been made yet.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7797216&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Yep, here we go with the delays. Get a continuance on the other charges, delay them as long as possible, and ask for the murder trial to be put after THAT. And, of course, when it is time to deal w/the trial, there will be more requests for delays and continuances.

Some have questioned about speedy trials, and don't defense lawyers usually push for them. I really haven't seen that in the cases that I followed. While some of the delays/continuances were @ the request of the prosecution, most were from the defense. I am sure there HAVE been some speedy trials, but in all the high profile cases I have followed--that hasn't been the case.

[Amy]

Sounds like another example of George and Cindy being irresponsible.

But, I wonder, too, about the KidFinders. It seems that Mr Milstead? is the guy who does the upkeep, and paints the banners and all that....why didn't he get that number corrected in a timely manner? Now, I don't know for sure what number is listed now, but once George came out and admitted the number was disconnected, KidFinders did not come right out and change it. It just seems like that would be high on the priority list for them to do.

[One2Snoop]

Amy was missing $700 cash from her apartment. Casey told her that she saw Amy sleepwalking with the money to hide it in the apartment. I guess Amy has a sleep disorder and does sleepwalk so she believed that she hid the money for her trip and then didn't know where she put it. It's in Amy's statement to the detectives.

Yes it's there - page 32 starting on line 11

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

[deputydi]

Yes it's there - page 32 starting on line 11

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf

Well, if Casey said it, it must be true -------- right???

[deacon]

Yes, but you say you are an outdoors person. I think, in all the things I have read about Casey, she wasn't. So, maybe go into the woods--a bit, but I wonder if she was skeered of creepy crawly things that might be about in the underbrush?

May be some. Not near as many as you would run into crawling in the grass looking for mice and stuff. Normally under trees, specially if they give a complete cover, you won't find much grass and stuff, just mostly dirt. The creepy crawlers like to hide and ambush their prey. She lived in a "jungle" at the bars she hung out at. A lot more "creepy crawlers" at those places.

[deacon]

Yep, here we go with the delays. Get a continuance on the other charges, delay them as long as possible, and ask for the murder trial to be put after THAT. And, of course, when it is time to deal w/the trial, there will be more requests for delays and continuances.

Some have questioned about speedy trials, and don't defense lawyers usually push for them. I really haven't seen that in the cases that I followed. While some of the delays/continuances were @ the request of the prosecution, most were from the defense. I am sure there HAVE been some speedy trials, but in all the high profile cases I have followed--that hasn't been the case.

I thought that I read where he was trying to delay the check fraud trial until after the murder 1 trial. He sounded like he was trying to hurry the murder trial up. Maybe have it before anyone found a body or more evidence.

[One2Snoop]

But, I wonder, too, about the KidFinders. It seems that Mr Milstead? is the guy who does the upkeep, and paints the banners and all that....why didn't he get that number corrected in a timely manner? Now, I don't know for sure what number is listed now, but once George came out and admitted the number was disconnected, KidFinders did not come right out and change it. It just seems like that would be high on the priority list for them to do.

I've read on another site that the owner of Kid Finders has a record and there have been some other issues also. Sorry I don't remember the specifics because it was last week when I read it and I certainly don't want to spread rumors. I'll see if I can find the info and post it.

[One2Snoop]

Here's the link about Kid Finders...

4th post down -
http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/dedicated-link-thread-links-only-please-f7/alleged-dubious-donations-foundations-trusts-t88.htm#20261

This is the arrest record....

http://courtcon.co.palm-beach.fl.us/pls/jiwp/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=502002MM007101AXXXMB&begin_date=&end_date=

[lorettalockhorn]

But, I wonder, too, about the KidFinders. It seems that Mr Milstead? is the guy who does the upkeep, and paints the banners and all that....why didn't he get that number corrected in a timely manner? Now, I don't know for sure what number is listed now, but once George came out and admitted the number was disconnected, KidFinders did not come right out and change it. It just seems like that would be high on the priority list for them to do.

Here's the link about Kid Finders...

4th post down -
http://justice4caylee.forumotion.net/dedicated-link-thread-links-only-please-f7/alleged-dubious-donations-foundations-trusts-t88.htm#20261

This is the arrest record....

http://courtcon.co.palm-beach.fl.us/pls/jiwp/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=502002MM007101AXXXMB&begin_date=&end_date=

This all just seems wrong, wrong, wrong.

[One2Snoop]

Casey Anthony's Attorney Gets Check Fraud Trial Delayed
Wednesday, November 5, 2008 – updated: 4:28 pm EST November 5, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- At first, the tactic was lie, lie, lie. Now, Casey Anthony's defense strategy may be stall, stall, stall.

Her lawyer got a delay Wednesday in Casey's trial on check fraud charges (watch hearing). He may be trying to delay her murder trial, as well.

Casey's defense attorney says he's considering whether to ask the judge to put off her January murder trial and possibly to move it out of town. Jose Baez is accusing prosecutors of stalling in handing over all the evidence they have and is hoping for a hearing to address it.

"We all believe [Caylee is] alive and, if these tips, if there's one credible tip in that 5,000, it's worth us going through them," attorney Jose Baez told Eyewitness News on Wednesday.

The defense is accusing prosecutors of purposely releasing all the psychics' tips first just to make it appear as though there were no credible tips showing Caylee is alive. The Anthonys claims about following her kidnappers and getting closer to finding her don't seem to be panning out.

"She says she gave the child to a babysitter that no one can find. Doesn't the key lie with her? Why do you need to rely on stranger's tips when she is the one who could really lead you in some direction?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked attorney Jose Baez (full interview).

"Kathi, I'm not going to discuss theories of defense or anything we plan on bringing out in court. The truth is, under the rules of discovery we're entitled to it," Baez said.

Investigators said the tips are not panning out because Caylee's gone.

"Do you think she's being open and honest with you?" Belich asked Baez.

"I don't think it's wise to make statements about my communication with her," he said.

The defense wants to try the check fraud charges after the murder trial because, Baez said, he wants to focus all his energies on the murder trial. He even came close to suggesting, if she's convicted in the death of her daughter, the check charges could become unimportant. Prosecutors are against that.

The judge said he'll decide next month.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17898941/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Biggest-Yet Caylee Search Planned
Pretrial Hearing Held In Anthony Case

POSTED: 9:37 am EST November 5, 2008
UPDATED: 6:41 pm EST November 5, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- The search for Caylee Anthony is about to kick in to high gear this weekend.

Texas Equusearch is back in town, and they hope to conduct their largest search ever this weekend.

With water levels and temperatures down, the group hopes to attract 3,000 or more volunteers from 30 states to search three main areas beginning Saturday at 8 a.m.

The group has spent the day getting reorganized. They plan to establish a command post near Orlando International Airport in an area where cell phone records show Casey Anthony spent time. They're asking for volunteers to come out with horses, ATVs and boats. They plan to do a lot of water searching using sophisticated sonar equipment.

"We may be looking for something that's very small. The bones may bear no resemblance to a human at this point," forensic investigator Gary Peterson said.

Equusearch leader, Tim Miller, said the group has been mapping for three weeks and has an incredible set of maps put together.

All the areas that will be searched are tied to areas where there's evidence of Casey Anthony's cell phone use about the time of her daughter's disappearance.

"What a better gift could this whole county have than some closure in this case. They've been involved with this almost the entire year," Miller said.

At the same time, they said they plan to do a companion search for Jennifer Kesse. The Orlando woman vanished from her condo near the Millenia Mall almost three years ago.

snip
http://www.wesh.com/news/17897755/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

Great news! Sounds like Tim Miller is expecting a large turnout for this weekends search. Note ~ bottom of the article lists G & C's new location for their command center...

Search for Caylee starts Saturday

Last Edited: Wednesday, 05 Nov 2008, 5:00 PM EST
Created: Wednesday, 05 Nov 2008, 4:53 PM EST
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The Texas based Equusearch is back in Orlando to resume their search for Caylee Anthony .

The man in charge of Texas Equusearch, Tim Miller and his team are back in Orlando gearing up for this weekend's search for Caylee and Jennifer Kesse .

With maps and some help from the Orange County Sheriffs office, Tim and his team have identified three key areas to concentrate on. “These three areas where all the phone activity happened. Anywhere from a five to eight mile radius around all three towers and use some common sense on where someone could go and to possibly sump something and get out without being seen.”

Miller had to call off the last search because much of the area they needed to comb through was under water. This time Miller says conditions are right. “Water is way down, its fall, vegetation is starting to die down, another plus for us and we're hoping the weather stays cool...better for searchers.”

So far they have 250 team leaders signed up. Equusearch is expecting thousands of volunteers which Miller says has had him thinking and feeling optimistic. “Maybe it's God's time. The holidays are right ahead of us. What better gift to give to this family and this community than bringing this to a close.”

The new command center for Equusearch is at Shadow Ridge and Lee Vista Boulevard. There is training on Friday night from 6pm to 9pm.

The Anthony family has a new command and volunteer center. The Kid Finders Network Official Search & Volunteer Center is at 1602 S. Goldenrod Road in Orlando. It is open daily 9 a.m.-4p.m.

For further information please call1-877-ONE-LOST
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7799015&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[One2Snoop]

Baby Photos Of Caylee's Mom Used In Request To Avoid Death Penalty
Woman Charged With Murder In Daughter's Disappearance

POSTED: 11:58 am EST November 5, 2008
UPDATED: 5:50 pm EST November 5, 2008

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Attorneys for Casey Anthony, who has been charged with first-degree murder in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee, are urging state prosecutors not to seek the death penalty in the high-profile case, using baby photos of their client to help their cause, Local 6 News reported.

Caylee was last seen in mid-June but was not reported missing until a month later. Her mother remains jailed on murder charges.

Local 6 News obtained the baby photos of Anthony, who is now 22, that will be used by her attorneys in an effort to sway the state from pursuing the death penalty.

The photographs show Anthony as a baby, playing with her brother, Lee, and surrounded by family members.



An experienced defense attorney was recently retained on Anthony's behalf, and he's hoping the photos and his 30-page argument will convince prosecutors.

"In this case, no one knows how death might have happened, if at all," stated the document, which was also obtained by Local 6 News. "If death did occur, the death was almost certainly a tragic accident."

Anthony's defense team also raises the possibility that Caylee may have been poisoned by chloroform, saying, "Death may have occurred while the child was sedated or from an unwitting overdose of a sedative."

Anthony's attorneys are also trying to show prosecutors that their client is an unlikely candidate for the death penalty because of her age and lack of a criminal record. Attorneys said the evidence suggests Anthony was a good, loving mother but also a troubled woman, who may be suffering from depression or other mental conditions, Local 6 News reported.

The defense admits that Anthony "spent money she does not have, wrote bad checks, had multiple unstable relationships and participated in risky behavior."

The request did not mention the baby sitter whom Anthony said she left Caylee with at an apartment complex before never seeing her again. But the argument is not a case strategy, Local 6 News reported, rather only an attempt to get the death penalty option off the table.

http://www.local6.com/news/17898874/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

:eek: Good lord Cindy, you need to get a grip....

Woman Says Cindy Anthony Threatened Her Over Website
Wednesday, November 5, 2008 – updated: 6:22 pm EST November 5, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Cindy Anthony can't stand to hear that Caylee is dead and, when she saw it online, she tracked down the author and threatened her. The victim remembered every word.

"If I only had the time to meet you face to face, I would definitely kick your ass," the woman said Cindy told her.

The threatening phone call was so disturbing that the victim filed a complaint with deputies. But when Eyewitness News confronted Cindy on Wednesday about her behavior, she denied everything.

Along with the complaint, defense attorney Jose Baez was back in court to deal with the check fraud Casey's accused of.


WOMAN SAYS CINDY ANTHONY THREATENED HER

The woman who runs the website says she feels sorry for the Anthonys. She doesn't know if Caylee is dead or alive, but just wants to help. Cindy Anthony said people are trying to profit off of her granddaughter and she won't tolerate that.

Sunny Welker operates the website Justice For Caylee out of her home. She launched the website to provide a place for people to talk about the case as well as gather information.

"I'm here for the child, not here for anyone else. I'm here to make sure she is brought home," Welker told Eyewitness News on Wednesday.

But then last week, she received a startling phone call. Welker claims Cindy Anthony called her on the phone and started to threaten her because of the website.

"She told me she was very upset and I was impeding the investigation looking for an alive Caylee. My website was getting in the way of that," Welker said. "If I only had the time to meet you face to face, I would definitely kick your ass."

Welker filed a complaint with the Flagler County Sheriff's Office. Eyewitness News talked to Cindy Anthony and she said she never threatened Welker. Anthony said she didn't appreciate Welker making money off of Caylee and was going to have the website shut down. She believes Welker was collecting money on her website selling bumper stickers.

"I explained we were not selling anything on the website. It's there for information and to discuss the case and if they want to help and volunteer there is a link for EquuSearch," Welker said.

The Flagler County Sheriff's Office took the complaint for informational purposes. No crime has been committed.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17912485/detail.html

[One2Snoop]

George says there's good news:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17912628/index.html



Strange video - George actually appeared happy and said Caylee's alive and well. Hmmmmmm? :confused: Take a looksee - what do you think? :shrug:

Cindy says they don't have a lawyer.

[Brainstorm]

:eek: Good lord Cindy, you need to get a grip....

Im getting a visual of them hauling her out in a white jacket.really.
and her kicking and screaming.

[lorettalockhorn]

Wow maybe they fired their lawyer??? Well there's some news. I am wondering if George has been spending too much time with the tipsters namely the psychics???? It would be really nice if i had to eat my words but i think he is grasping. MOO:rose:

Beeme, I was thinking earlier that someone needs to be passing out straws.

[One2Snoop]

Wow maybe they fired their lawyer??? Well there's some news. I am wondering if George has been spending too much time with the tipsters namely the psychics???? It would be really nice if i had to eat my words but i think he is grasping. MOO:rose:

According to another site this is old file footage - wonder why this TV station (WFTV) is posting it as new info? :shrug:

I know - they're trying to cause mass hysteria, right?

[One2Snoop]

Im getting a visual of them hauling her out in a white jacket.really.
and her kicking and screaming.

I want a front row seat! LOL :beer:

[applesandorange]

According to another site this is old file footage - wonder why this TV station (WFTV) is posting it as new info? :shrug:

I know - they're trying to cause mass hysteria, right?


I was wondering if this was old footage because it seems that in this video they are just coming out from visiting with Casey. You can hear a reporter ask how the visit went and how she looked and if she told them anything about Caylee. I had thought they are not visiting with Casey since being locked up this time :shrug:

[mu8shark]

Ok Ok once again i missed something. Did Cindy really say that she thought the kidnappers were living in the woods? Oh good grief:eek: I am not sure how much more of this circus i can stomach. Every time i think it i re-group and just come on back here for more.:hat: Loretta you make me laugh you have a sharp wit but i luv it-staight shooter.:rose:Okay can someone do me a favor? My comp does not get sound right now, something is broke. Can you kind of summarize the video where Cindy says the kidnappers are living in the woods? Does she indeed say that? I mean really? Is she specific as to what woods? What the F? I would really appreciate it if someone could summarize the video itself.

[One2Snoop]

Okay can someone do me a favor? My comp does not get sound right now, something is broke. Can you kind of summarize the video where Cindy says the kidnappers are living in the woods? Does she indeed say that? I mean really? Is she specific as to what woods? What the F? I would really appreciate it if someone could summarize the video itself.

Did you check to see if your sound is plugged in? I had that happen once and I finally started making sure everything was plugged in and sure enough the power cord to my sound was loose. It was the cat's fault. :hat:

[mu8shark]

Okay after watching Nancy and reading the article about the leaked memo. I think I can say officially the defense is a disaster. How can they say in one breath like we don't think she is dead but if she is it was an accident and maybe Casey is just mental so look at these cute photos of little Casey and give us a break? You can't have it both ways. If they are serious, Casey needs to stop this sh** and tell the truth and lead them to the body, then they should consider pulling the death penalty, otherwise forget it. This is just , I am a little stunned, it just gets weirder and weirder.

[One2Snoop]

I was wondering if this was old footage because it seems that in this video they are just coming out from visiting with Casey. You can hear a reporter ask how the visit went and how she looked and if she told them anything about Caylee. I had thought they are not visiting with Casey since being locked up this time :shrug:

Cindy doesn't look as thin either. :cool:

[mu8shark]

Did you check to see if your sound is plugged in? I had that happen once and I finally started making sure everything was plugged in and sure enough the power cord to my sound was loose. It was the cat's fault. :hat:Naw it need some kind of a new driver.

[Brainstorm]

Okay can someone do me a favor? My comp does not get sound right now, something is broke. Can you kind of summarize the video where Cindy says the kidnappers are living in the woods? Does she indeed say that? I mean really? Is she specific as to what woods? What the F? I would really appreciate it if someone could summarize the video itself.

Me too. Mine has sound, but is slow as Christmas is to a child,so here I sit.
Thanks for a synopsis,anyone.

[lorettalockhorn]

According to another site this is old file footage - wonder why this TV station (WFTV) is posting it as new info? :shrug:

I know - they're trying to cause mass hysteria, right?

I had no idea this wasn't new. So sorry! ( Hadn 't seen it before; George looks so hopeful. Happy almost.)

Ok Ok once again i missed something. Did Cindy really say that she thought the kidnappers were living in the woods? Oh good grief:eek: I am not sure how much more of this circus i can stomach. Every time i think it i re-group and just come on back here for more.:hat: Loretta you make me laugh you have a sharp wit but i luv it-staight shooter.:rose:

Cannot remember where I read that. Cindy had said that the kidnappers are moving Caylee from place to place in the woods. :confused:

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay after watching Nancy and reading the article about the leaked memo. I think I can say officially the defense is a disaster. How can they say in one breath like we don't think she is dead but if she is it was an accident and maybe Casey is just mental so look at these cute photos of little Casey and give us a break? You can't have it both ways. If they are serious, Casey needs to stop this sh** and tell the truth and lead them to the body, then they should consider pulling the death penalty, otherwise forget it. This is just , I am a little stunned, it just gets weirder and weirder.

The defense seems incompetent. Maybe that's the plan. Not sure why at this point we're just hearing mostly from Baez instead of the death-qualified attorney. The point was well made on NG that this memo should never have been put into writing; that it should have been a conversation.

[mu8shark]

I bet old Cindy is absolutely spinning about that defense memo leaking. I mean, here they have been talking about Puerto Rico and Texas and bringing her home and someone on the defense team is like uh maybe not. I suspect the new lawyer told them no way would the SOD, some other dude did it defense would fly. No way, You can't even put that car in someone else's possession when it stunk while Casey was driving it, because of Casey's texts to Amy. They know that with such an organized , well financed search they are going to find that body and if I were them I would start right where old George was peering into the woods. I suspect he either knows something or as a cop suspects something. I have a prediction though, when they do find the body and I say that to make it come true, Cindy will still contend it was someone else. Remember her statement you guys are going to put Caylee in a coffin? She will say "I knew it, I knew the kidnappers would kill that child because of the massive media," which by the way makes no sense. After they arrested Casey it would of theoretically given the kidnappers almost a free pass. But she will not accept it. Someone said it was almost like she has to be right on everything and that is the way I see her.

[lorettalockhorn]

Cindy doesn't look as thin either. :cool:

Neither do I. :(:flamemad::cuss::tongue::hat:

[One2Snoop]

Neither do I. :(:flamemad::cuss::tongue::hat:

LOL - I hear ya!

[mu8shark]

I apologize in advance for this question and suggestion. I know I am being sarcastic and mean spirited considering Caseys predictament. But did I hear Casey bought new underwear when she finally ordered from the commisary?. I was wondering if they were (ah hem scanty panties )and she is planning on getting a um girlfriend on the inside? I am awful . I know I am. But can you imagine how it must be for a girl who is so used to stringing all these men along? And now, nothing. nobody to rip off and use. :biggrin:

[lorettalockhorn]

Okay can someone do me a favor? My comp does not get sound right now, something is broke. Can you kind of summarize the video where Cindy says the kidnappers are living in the woods? Does she indeed say that? I mean really? Is she specific as to what woods? What the F? I would really appreciate it if someone could summarize the video itself.

George says (whatever it is) is going to happen quickly. He has no reservations. It's good news. That we'll talk a little later. (About Caylee) Oh yes, she's fine. (Lots of questions at once about where she is, is she in South Florida?) Absolutely.

[lorettalockhorn]

I apologize in advance for this question and sugg3stion. I know I am being sarcastic and mean spirited considering Caseys predictament. But did I hear Casey bought new underwear when she finally ordered from the commisary?. I was wondering if they were (ah hem scanty panties )and she is planning on getting a um girlfriend on the inside? I am awful . I know I am. But can you imagine how it must be for a girl who is so used to stringing all these men along? And now, nothing. nobody to rip off and use. :biggrin:

Do they sell scanty panties in jail? I was picturing granny panties. You think you're sarcastic and mean spirited? When I saw tube socks on her shopping list, I immediately thought she misread it as tube steak.

[One2Snoop]

I bet old Cindy is absolutely spinning about that defense memo leaking. I mean, here they have been talking about Puerto Rico and Texas and bringing her home and someone on the defense team is like uh maybe not. I suspect the new lawyer told them no way would the SOD, some other dude did it defense would fly. No way, You can't even put that car in someone else's possession when it stunk while Casey was driving it, because of Casey's texts to Amy. They know that with such an organized , well financed search they are going to find that body and if I were them I would start right where old George was peering into the woods. I suspect he either knows something or as a cop suspects something. I have a prediction though, when they do find the body and I say that to make it come true, Cindy will still contend it was someone else. Remember her statement you guys are going to put Caylee in a coffin? She will say "I knew it, I knew the kidnappers would kill that child because of the massive media," which by the way makes no sense. After they arrested Casey it would of theoretically given the kidnappers almost a free pass. But she will not accept it. Someone said it was almost like she has to be right on everything and that is the way I see her.

ITA! I can hear it now! http://i35.tinypic.com/otg64p.jpg

[mu8shark]

Do they sell scanty panties in jail? I was picturing granny panties. You think you're sarcastic and mean spirited? When I saw tube socks on her shopping list, I immediately thought she misread it as tube steak.ROTFLMAO she might get mystery meat but she has had her last tube steak for a long time. Because she ain't getting off on no insanity defense. It is not going to happen. She just does not have what it takes in her history to qualify legally for insanity, not knowing right from wrong.

[One2Snoop]

Oh my gawd you two just reminded me why i come back here. We can say whats on our mind and it's all good. I had to walk away from earlier as i wanted to throw my PC out the window with the likes of Cindy. Now i read a couple of posts and ROFLMAO. Bless ya!!! I need to get some sleep before i sort all this info out. I have been up since 4 and punch drunk stupid right now. Have a good night all :seeya: As i have said before just some of us have the nerve to say what the rest of us are thinking :D


No one here should ever feel afraid of saying whats on their mind - and if we think you're out of line, wellllll we'll let ya know! LOL. ;) :chicken:

ETA: and if you think anyone here is out of line please speak up - its the right thing to do. :patriot: :cool:

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by Amy http://boards.crimelibrary.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://boards.crimelibrary.com/showthread.php?p=9136120#post9136120)
Didn't she already say that Amy gave her I think it was the $700 cash while she (Amy) was sleepwalking?
Oh, good grief. She didn't really say this, did she?
I beleive it was actually $400, to use on her trip, that Amy had in her purse, when she couldn't find it the next day; Casey told her she had woken up and hidden it the night before and Amy didn't think Casey would make something like that up so she gave her the benefit of the doubt. It seems though that she did have her doubts and had discussed them with the guy she lived with becasue in her text messages he tells Amy that if Casey comes over in no circumstances is she to be allowed into his room which suggests to me that he and Amy had discussed the possibility that Casey was a thief.

[deacon]

The defense seems incompetent. Maybe that's the plan. Not sure why at this point we're just hearing mostly from Baez instead of the death-qualified attorney. The point was well made on NG that this memo should never have been put into writing; that it should have been a conversation.

IMO they don't have much to go on. Their client isn't telling them anything. Grasping at straws? Of course they are. They have nothing to mount a defense on but must have a plan in case remains are found.

Cindy is a flipping joke. She, like her daughter, can't remember which lie she told so the next one is even more ridiculous. The truth would help but I don't think she could handle the truth.

Ponderous man, ponderous.:hat:

ETA: I was wondering how long before the "mentaly off card" would be played along with the "accident card. I guess it won't be long

[samanthajane13]

"I dont know about anyone else but my PC is really slow on this board. Every other site quick as lightening. Maybe my pc is telling me something"

Nope-you're not the only one with this experience.

And my computer is 2 months old!!!

EVERYTHING DRAGS AND LAGS ON THIS SITE!!!

I believe it's the server...so many people reading so much info, and it takes more time to load the info when there's TONS of it.

Look at the shear amount of stories listed on the various threads.

[Gatordog]

That is my understanding. From reading another board, I gather that, whatever the prosecution gives to the defense, it becomes public information.

I don't understand the critical to the case information, as doesn't the prosecution have to give the defense ALL information they plan to use in trial? Does that meant that, some of the info DOES go public, but there are some things they can give to defense, but call it critical, and that DOESN'T go public?

I'm not sure of why FL has this law (and do other states?) I like to know what's going on as much as the next person, but I really think either the prosecution or defense should be able to keep their investigation findings under their hats (except for discovery to the other side.) For all that "the public has a right to know" kind of thing, I don't really think this is how it should be used.


It all goes to the defense, but not all of it gets filed. For instance, autopsy and crime photos, sexual assault information, home addresses, etc. can be omitted from the documents going on file. Just like the audio and videos of Casey's jail visits and phone calls. The detectives have to clear what was released and they can hold back what they feel is vital to their investigation.

[Gatordog]

I thought that I read where he was trying to delay the check fraud trial until after the murder 1 trial. He sounded like he was trying to hurry the murder trial up. Maybe have it before anyone found a body or more evidence.


From what was reported yesterday, the attorneys are fighting the death penalty because she "has no criminal record". They stated that she has never been found guilty of any prior offense so the death penalty shouldn't be considered. I believe the tactic is to keep her from being found guilty of any crimes which the state can use against her in the murder trial.

[NMurphy02]

I'm not real sure where this was revealed. Possibly in Amy's interview statement. It could have been in one of Cindy's interviews, or what she said to a tv camera, explaining how Casey came into possession of someone else's money.


It was in Amy's statement. And Amy said the reason she believed it was because she had gone to bed one night in one set of clothes and woke up wearing something else. She had apparently changed her clothes while sleeping and couldn't remember doing it at all. She had told Casey the story, so I doubt Amy voluntarily gave her the $$. I'm sure Casey used that like she uses everything else to cover up her crimes.

[Brainstorm]

No one here should ever feel afraid of saying whats on their mind - and if we think you're out of line, wellllll we'll let ya know! LOL. ;) :chicken:

ETA: and if you think anyone here is out of line please speak up - its the right thing to do. :patriot: :cool:

You are abs. right on that. The good part about this board is people will tell you tactfully without lambasting ya.:rose:lol, thats correct. I had to tone down my responses,tho, cause even tho I was "just responding" to what Id read, it came off rude and uncivil.

Snoop i was just reading that u are going to flying down to help in the search and will keep us posted. Bless you and all the others. I so wish i could go but i have a couple of my own clients in crisis here. So we will be with you in spirit. And bless your heart and the others that are trying to bring this little one home.:rose:


One2, I thought that was a post by David Lorh,you'd posted. Are YOU going too?

[deacon]

From what was reported yesterday, the attorneys are fighting the death penalty because she "has no criminal record". They stated that she has never been found guilty of any prior offense so the death penalty shouldn't be considered. I believe the tactic is to keep her from being found guilty of any crimes which the state can use against her in the murder trial.

That could be. I just think it would be a losing tactic. I really think that the nature of this particular crime, if she is convicted, will scream for the DP. With out without additional crimes. It really is, if I remember correctly, the prosecution that either puts that on the table of not. Then it is left up to the jury. Remember, people already know about her other "problems." Whether the defense wants to admit it or not. They would have to take the trial to Egypt for people not to know if they don't know there.

[Brainstorm]

That could be. I just think it would be a losing tactic. I really think that the nature of this particular crime, if she is convicted, will scream for the DP. With out without additional crimes. It really is, if I remember correctly, the prosecution that either puts that on the table of not. Then it is left up to the jury. Remember, people already know about her other "problems." Whether the defense wants to admit it or not. They would have to take the trial to Egypt for people not to know if they don't know there.

Even tho she was"without additional crimes" is a laugh.imo. She just hadn't GOT CAUGHT, yet.

[Gatordog]

The news channels website say that the State's Attorney's office has released about 400 pages of interviews and other documents. They are still going through the documents so they haven't been posted yet.

Regarding the defense releasing baby photos of Casey in order to avoid the death penalty. Oh come on, that would only make me want to give it to her. The pictures show she was lovingly taken care of, well nourished, and had a good family life with lots of relatives. If you showed me a picture of her as living in the street at five years old and having to fend off drug addicts and abusers, that might weigh in her favor, but sitting under a Christmas tree with presents? :no: Also, everyone was a child once, even Ted Bundy and Danny Rolling (Gainesville student murderer). Does that mean they should not have received the death penalty regardless of their crimes.

I think the defense made a big mistake with that move. I wish there was a little face with a bone on it's head for this boneheaded idea.

Gator (with pink lipstick)

[Brainstorm]

ITA gator,with pink lipstick.

[Amy]

I thought that I read where he was trying to delay the check fraud trial until after the murder 1 trial. He sounded like he was trying to hurry the murder trial up. Maybe have it before anyone found a body or more evidence.

Another theory bandied about is that, if she has not been tried (and obviously convicted) on the fraud charges, and if she is convicted in the murder trial, when it comes to sentencing, she will have no prior convictions. And, of course, no prior convictions is a mitigating factor in sentencing.

[Amy]

I've read on another site that the owner of Kid Finders has a record and there have been some other issues also. Sorry I don't remember the specifics because it was last week when I read it and I certainly don't want to spread rumors. I'll see if I can find the info and post it.

I also read that @ another site. There were links to the record, and both his and his wife's name was on there. An unusual name, so I don't think it could have been anyone else. There was discussion just that one day, haven't heard anything more about it. But, that could be because of the Lenamon report about why the state should not request the DP. Not much else was discussed once that came out.

[Amy]

Strange video - George actually appeared happy and said Caylee's alive and well. Hmmmmmm? :confused: Take a looksee - what do you think? :shrug:

Cindy says they don't have a lawyer.

The station that put that up goofed big time. That is a video from July. Don't know why they put it up to begin with, but since they did, there should have been a notice that it is an old video, not something current.

Someone @ another site even called the station. Whomever s/he talked to "didn't realize" it was an old video. You'd think in the least they would put something up (in a prominent place) to explain it was old.

I think someone should be fired or put into another position for not taking the time to LOOK @ what material is being put out for the public.

[Amy]

Ok Ok once again i missed something. Did Cindy really say that she thought the kidnappers were living in the woods? Oh good grief:eek: I am not sure how much more of this circus i can stomach. Every time i think it i re-group and just come on back here for more.:hat: Loretta you make me laugh you have a sharp wit but i luv it-staight shooter.:rose:

Cindy texted a reporter to explain why people had seen George @ the edge of the woods. She is saying that George was scouting for a new place for their tents and such. And, from what I can tell, the place they are @ (leased by KidFinders?) is near the area he was sighted gazing into the woods.

[Amy]

The defense seems incompetent. Maybe that's the plan. Not sure why at this point we're just hearing mostly from Baez instead of the death-qualified attorney. The point was well made on NG that this memo should never have been put into writing; that it should have been a conversation.

The report was made by Lenamom, the DP qualified attorney that was "looked" @ a week or so ago--that we never heard any more about him becoming one of "casey's" team.

The prosecutors wouldn't comment because they had not seen the report. The rumor is that someone from the defense "leaked" the report. Maybe the new unnamed spokesperson from the unnamed pr organization? Who knows.

[Amy]

I bet old Cindy is absolutely spinning about that defense memo leaking. I mean, here they have been talking about Puerto Rico and Texas and bringing her home and someone on the defense team is like uh maybe not. I suspect the new lawyer told them no way would the SOD, some other dude did it defense would fly. No way, You can't even put that car in someone else's possession when it stunk while Casey was driving it, because of Casey's texts to Amy. They know that with such an organized , well financed search they are going to find that body and if I were them I would start right where old George was peering into the woods. I suspect he either knows something or as a cop suspects something. I have a prediction though, when they do find the body and I say that to make it come true, Cindy will still contend it was someone else. Remember her statement you guys are going to put Caylee in a coffin? She will say "I knew it, I knew the kidnappers would kill that child because of the massive media," which by the way makes no sense. After they arrested Casey it would of theoretically given the kidnappers almost a free pass. But she will not accept it. Someone said it was almost like she has to be right on everything and that is the way I see her.

That's what I think--because of the media, because LE, TES were looking for a dead Caylee, it gave the kidnappers opportunity to kill Caylee. Like, if there really would have been kidnappers, they had 31 days of opportunity, Cindy. AND, in 31 days, if there had been kidnappers, since they had not contacted the family for ransom---she would have already been dead.

AND, as for the media, if Cindy in particular, but all the A's had just said "no comment" instead of running off @ the mouth w/ridiculous statements; if, when on the tv talk shows they had just said "please, whoever has Caylee, we BEG of you to bring her home" or "Please if you see our Caylee, call CRIMESTOPPERS (not some disconnect number on a mobile billboard) and then just said, "no comment'---there would not have been a media circus.

If they had not gone on and on about bail for Cindy---she wouldn't have been out on bond for protesters to be @ their house for the media to follow up on. And, since they DID have her out the first time, they should have learned their lesson and not gotten her out the next time, for the media circus (which they seemed to thrive on) to continue.

Nope, the media circus was fed by the A's themselves. And, if Casey had just told the truth in the first place (because I firmly believe Caylee was dead on the REAL day 1) there wouldn't have been any media coverage @ all. It might not have made anything but the local news. Baby dead because of her mom.

I also think it was not planned, not intended, that she either wasn't watching Caylee and there was an accident, or that she did indeed sedate Caylee so she would sleep during Casey's socializing and there was an overdose. If she had called 911 when she realized Caylee was dead, she could still have been facing endangerment, or involuntary manslaughter, but she would not be facing LWOP or DP because of murder.

And, you know, there have been some "moms" who left their babies to die (accidently) in hot cars, she might have been lucky enough to be one who didn't face any charges @ all.

IMO

[Amy]

I apologize in advance for this question and suggestion. I know I am being sarcastic and mean spirited considering Caseys predictament. But did I hear Casey bought new underwear when she finally ordered from the commisary?. I was wondering if they were (ah hem scanty panties )and she is planning on getting a um girlfriend on the inside? I am awful . I know I am. But can you imagine how it must be for a girl who is so used to stringing all these men along? And now, nothing. nobody to rip off and use. :biggrin:

IMO, she is the type who would try to get "friendly" in some manner w/male guards. Right now, it seems she is still in solitary (or protective, whichever they are calling it now) and it would be hard to hook up w/another inmate. Not that it would necessarily be easy to hook a male guard, but maybe she's up to the challenge?

If I were one of the guards tho, I would think a few minutes about my LE buddies who were caught in her web.

[lorettalockhorn]

ROTFLMAO she might get mystery meat but she has had her last tube steak for a long time. Because she ain't getting off on no insanity defense. It is not going to happen. She just does not have what it takes in her history to qualify legally for insanity, not knowing right from wrong.

hehehe Haven't thought about mystery meat since I was living in a dorm and eating in a cafeteria. Thanks for the laugh! Casey fully well knew right from wrong, and she chose to do wrong. That's sociopathic, not insane.

From what was reported yesterday, the attorneys are fighting the death penalty because she "has no criminal record". They stated that she has never been found guilty of any prior offense so the death penalty shouldn't be considered. I believe the tactic is to keep her from being found guilty of any crimes which the state can use against her in the murder trial.

Whether or not she has prior convictions when and if she's convicted or murder, the fact that Caylee was a child under the age of twelve is in and of itself reason for The State to pursue the death penalty according to the unleashed lawyers on NG.

[Amy]

Even tho she was"without additional crimes" is a laugh.imo. She just hadn't GOT CAUGHT, yet.

Oh, she's been CAUGHT, she just hasn't been CONVICTED---that could be one of the reasons they want the fraud charges delayed. If she is tried and convicted (and, come on, what judge or jury would NOT say guilty with the videos and all that?) BEFORE the murder trial, the prosecution could show "additional crimes."

IMO

[Gatordog]

You know, everytime I take one step forward with this case, I end up taking two steps back. Now I feel sorry for George again. I kind of always did, but sometimes he makes me forget that he's the one adult who is rational.


From the new documents released today:

In an interview about retrieving Casey Anthony's car from an impound lot after it was found abandoned at an Orange County Amscot, George Anthony said the smell in the car was terrible.

"I believe that there's something dead back there, and I hate to say the word 'human,'" said George Anthony, who told detectives he knew something was wrong and was nervous to open the trunk. "I think I whispered out to myself, 'Please don't let this be my Caylee." :(


http://www.local6.com/news/17917215/detail.html

[lorettalockhorn]

The news channels website say that the State's Attorney's office has released about 400 pages of interviews and other documents. They are still going through the documents so they haven't been posted yet.

Regarding the defense releasing baby photos of Casey in order to avoid the death penalty. Oh come on, that would only make me want to give it to her. The pictures show she was lovingly taken care of, well nourished, and had a good family life with lots of relatives. If you showed me a picture of her as living in the street at five years old and having to fend off drug addicts and abusers, that might weigh in her favor, but sitting under a Christmas tree with presents? :no: Also, everyone was a child once, even Ted Bundy and Danny Rolling (Gainesville student murderer). Does that mean they should not have received the death penalty regardless of their crimes.

I think the defense made a big mistake with that move. I wish there was a little face with a bone on it's head for this boneheaded idea.

Gator (with pink lipstick)

Gee, I wish I could remember how to post a pic! http://www.henrybickel.com/images/1992/Bonehead%20Front.jpg

[Gatordog]

IMO, she is the type who would try to get "friendly" in some manner w/male guards. Right now, it seems she is still in solitary (or protective, whichever they are calling it now) and it would be hard to hook up w/another inmate. Not that it would necessarily be easy to hook a male guard, but maybe she's up to the challenge?

If I were one of the guards tho, I would think a few minutes about my LE buddies who were caught in her web.

You are absolutely, positively, right on the money with that one! I didn't even think of her trying to seduce a guard but it's right up her disgusting alley. :cuss: Honest to goodness, I'd be afraid to look at her for fear of turning into a pillar of salt. :eek:

[deputydi]

I only got to hear a small snippet from NG last night, but what I got from it is Baez (or someone) is now saying IF Caylee is dead, it was accidental??? How does that absolve Casey from wrongdoing? I was under the impression that she can still be tried for murder 1 if Caylee died accidentally during the commission of another crime. IF Casey used the chloroform to put Caylee to sleep while she partied, that, in and of itself, is a crime and if Caylee died as a result, IT IS MURDER.

There may be an important point I've missed and, if I have, please someone fill me in.

IF Caylee died accidently from an overdose (some kind of pills she found), or accidently drowned in the pool, and they don't have a body on which to do an autopsy to prove it, wouldn't that 31 day lapse and all her lies make her story unbelievable to any jury? I just don't see any defense, under any circumstance that is going to absolve her of responsibility and I don't see any jury on earth that is going to believe a word this lying B***H utters.

Can anyone here think of a plausible defense that will explain her lack of cooperation with LE, her obvious lack of concern for her "missing" or dead child, the crazy lies and the conflicting stories she has told. Then, there is the forensic evidence that has to be explained . . .

Unless they pick the most stupid jury they can find, there is IMO simply NO way she's walking away from this.

[lorettalockhorn]

You know, everytime I take one step forward with this case, I end up taking two steps back. Now I feel sorry for George again. I kind of always did, but sometimes he makes me forget that he's the one adult who is rational.


From the new documents released today:

In an interview about retrieving Casey Anthony's car from an impound lot after it was found abandoned at an Orange County Amscot, George Anthony said the smell in the car was terrible.

"I believe that there's something dead back there, and I hate to say the word 'human,'" said George Anthony, who told detectives he knew something was wrong and was nervous to open the trunk. "I think I whispered out to myself, 'Please don't let this be my Caylee." :(


http://www.local6.com/news/17917215/detail.html

That is sad. Just don't get how it is that they've been convinced that Caylee is alive despite the forensic evidence.

I'll snag this and put it into O2S's news thread!

[Gatordog]

Gee, I wish I could remember how to post a pic! http://www.henrybickel.com/images/1992/Bonehead%20Front.jpg

Loretta, you are way too funny! I'm sitting here at work trying to be quiet, but I have tears in my eyes from laughing too hard. Thank you. :D

[Amy]

hehehe Haven't thought about mystery meat since I was living in a dorm and eating in a cafeteria. Thanks for the laugh! Casey fully well knew right from wrong, and she chose to do wrong. That's sociopathic, not insane.



Whether or not she has prior convictions when and if she's convicted or murder, the fact that Caylee was a child under the age of twelve is in and of itself reason for The State to pursue the death penalty according to the unleashed lawyers on NG.

I think Lenamon either should have researched more carefully, or questioned his researcher about PPD. Her "erracatic behaviour since the birth of Caylee"--come on PPD doesn't last 3 years, if it does and is untreated, @ some point you would think she would be PP psychotic, and again, these behaviours would be noted around the time of birth. Cindy says Casey was mother of the year material. Casey went out (or to work?lol) for 2 years. She bought clothes and makeup and gussied herself up and had various and sundry relationships.

A woman with PPD doesn't DO these things. Getting up and getting dressed is a chore. Sex is not an area of interest. Socializing takes too much energy. Depressed people (whether clinical depression or PP) DO go on living, DO get to work, mabye DO get the housework done, but it's not done w/gusto. It's what HAS to be done gets done, because it has to, but one does not, as a rule--maybe on occasion, or if one is having a good day--jet around life, living it up, etc etc etc.

I think if the defense is going to come up with PPD as a defense, they are missing the mark by a loooong point. I don't think they could even pay Baden or Lee or any of the other "experts" who have sold out on other cases, to say PPD is even a remote possibility.

(On the other hand, there is that one "expert" in the Peterson case who tried to convince the jury that gestational age of a baby could be told by when the baby shower was held!!! I guess that is why this "expert" isn't a household name--all anyone can remember is his "expert" nonsense, not his name!!!!! LOL)

[Gatordog]

Now I'm mad at George again. Did he need an anvil to fall on his head :punch: like Wylie Coyote for him to realize that Casey needed major psychological help? This was also on the WKMG website. The more I read, the more amazed I get. :mad:

Also, in an interview with an Orange County sheriff's detective, George Anthony said his daughter had once told him that she was robbed at gunpoint while she was working at Sports Authority. George Anthony said he confronted the manager of the store about the incident only to be told that Casey Anthony never worked there.

[deacon]

Even tho she was"without additional crimes" is a laugh.imo. She just hadn't GOT CAUGHT, yet.

I have to agree with that. These lawyers don't seem so smart to me. I heard last night that the DP guy would just be worried with stopping her from getting the DP. Say what?, what happened to having her found not guilty. Not that he can do it, but give me a break. I don't think I would want that guy if I were not proven to be guilty.:eek:

[lorettalockhorn]

Loretta, you are way too funny! I'm sitting here at work trying to be quiet, but I have tears in my eyes from laughing too hard. Thank you. :D

I hear ya. My neighbors probably think we've got a hyena over here! :hat:

So why can't I just post the pic? Maybe that only works in certain forums?

[deacon]

ITA gator,with pink lipstick.

Me too, without lipstick

[deacon]

I think if the defense is going to come up with PPD as a defense, they are missing the mark by a loooong point. I don't think they could even pay Baden or Lee or any of the other "experts" who have sold out on other cases, to say PPD is even a remote possibility.

LOL)

Oh, I think PPD will be used as one of a miriad of defenses. They will be so many and so ridiculous you won't believe it. It has been use so many times. In my opinion, in some of those cases as in this one it does a disservice to the women who truely suffer from it. My wife suffered through a few weeks of PPD after my son was born. She got help. Why? Because it broke my heart to see her suffer and I put my foot down. She hated me at the time later she understood.

[lorettalockhorn]

Me too, without lipstick

Me three! (Hope I don't sound like a bootlick.)